and the promise of a last night and the promise of a summer of disruption down under the human— summer of disruption down under the human rights— summer of disruption down under the human rights act, what can we do— the human rights act, what can we do ee— the human rights act, what can we do we seep— the human rights act, what can we do to stop the— the human rights act, what can we do to stop the same people wewpwwg— we do to stop the same people werwpwwg we— we do to stop the same people disrupting us again? and again and were— disrupting us again? and again and again? but— disrupting us again? and again and again? but before all of wee,— and again? but before all of wee, wee-e— and again? but before all of that, let's get— and again? but before all of that, let's get the news with wewewe— that, let's get the news with tatiana sanchez— that, let's get the news with tatiana sanchez . \w 92; that, let's get the news with tatiana sanchez. \ gt; tatiana sanchez. nigel, thank you and good evening. this is the latest from the gb newsroom, the latest from the gb newsroom, the home secretary is set to declare the small boat crisis a national emergency rac. the move comes in response to a high court challenge tomorrow aimed at halting government plans to house asylum seekers on an old raf base in essex, braintree . raf base in essex, braintree. council will attempt to secure an injunction preventing the transfer of 1700 migrant to the wethersfield airbase. the declaration of a national emergency would give the home office powers to ignore local authority objections if the plans relate to crown owned property. well, this all comes as the latest figures show more

than 5000 people have crossed the english channel so far this year. the english channel so far this year . the snp the english channel so far this year. the snp treasurer has been arrested by police investigating the party's finances. colin beattie is the second person to be questioned by detectives who are trying to establish how more than £600,000 in donations was set aside for an independence referendum had been used earlier this month. the scottish national party's former chief executive, peter murrell, was questioned for more than 11 hours. mr murrell, who's the husband of former first minister nicola sturgeon , was released nicola sturgeon, was released without charge pending further investigation. when questioned investigation. when questioned in holyrood, snp leader humza yousaf hit back at the conservatives as brave some may use another word for it when it comes to talking about propri vat. your prime minister , your vat. your prime minister, your oepww— vat. your prime minister, your deputy prime— e ' your prime minister, your deputy prime minister and the fewer— deputy prime minister and the fewer rrfwe— deputy prime minister and the former prime minister are all under— former prime minister are all under investigation by the sfeweeree— under investigation by the standards commission. so yes. so wee. — standards commission. so yes. so wee. wwfe— standards commission. so yes. so yes. while while— standards commission. so yes. so yes. while while we—

standards commission. so yes. so yes. while while we face eweffeweee— yes. while while we face challenges ,_ yes. while while we face challenges , while we are challenges, while we are efeefwfew— challenges, while we are absolutely facing challenges , absolutely facing challenges, i'd absolutely facing challenges, r-e reefer— absolutely facing challenges, i'd rather be— absolutely facing challenges, i'd rather be standing here with the i'd rather be standing here with we eeeerrwww— i'd rather be standing here with the opportunity motty to deliver for the opportunity motty to deliver fer free— the opportunity motty to deliver fer we eeeefe— the opportunity motty to deliver for the people of— the opportunity motty to deliver for the people of scotland reefer— for the people of scotland rather than _ for the people of scotland rather than languish in the eeeeefffew— rather than languish in the opposition like— rather than languish in the opposition like meghan gallacher and opposition like meghan gallacher are free— opposition like meghan gallacher and the scottish— opposition like meghan gallacher and the scottish tories . kerri“ and the scottish tories. well, the and the scottish tories. well, we seefffsf — and the scottish tories. well, the scottish first minister also set out his vision for the country in his first major policy statement since taking office. mr yusuf said the party will focus on equality , will focus on equality, opportunity and community. he also announced a delay in the deposit return scheme for drinks, cans and bottles, as well as a six month trial to remove peak time fares from scotrail trains . labour is scotrail trains. labour is calling on the prime minister to pubush calling on the prime minister to publish his financial interests. parliament's ethics watchdog's investigating whether rishi sunak failed to tell mps his wife might benefit from a major announced payment in last month's budget. she holds shares in koru kids , a child care in koru kids, a child care agency likely to gain

financially from a drive to recruit more childminders . a recruit more childminders. a number 10, says mr sunak , will number 10, says mr sunak, will clarify why it was declared as a ministerial interest rather than to the commons and charities and campaigners are warning new rules for energy suppliers don't go far enough. firms across england, scotland and wales have agreed to a new voluntary code of practise to help protect vulnerable people. under the new rules , suppliers must make at rules, suppliers must make at least ten attempts to contact a customer and carry out a welfare visit before a pre—payment metre can be installed. the end fuel poverty coalition says the plans failed to deal with energy debt relief for those most in need . relief for those most in need. tv online dab+ radio and on tune in. this is gb news. now it's back to . back to. farage well, what a mess . i've been

well, what a mess. i've been used to political— hers“ i've been used to political parties kerri“ i've been used to political parties having eeee— used to political parties having good ffwee— used to political parties having good times and— used to political parties having good times and bad times. i can feu— good times and bad times. i can feff wer— good times and bad times. i can feff wew ee— good times and bad times. i can tell you as leader— good times and bad times. i can tell you as leader of ukip, i we— tell you as leader of ukip, i we sewe— tell you as leader of ukip, i had some good— tell you as leader of ukip, i had some good days and some werew— had some good days and some erefw reefer— had some good days and some pretty rotten ones— had some good days and some pretty rotten ones too , but pretty rotten ones too, but referrer.— pretty rotten ones too, but wefwwe. r— pretty rotten ones too, but nothing. i don't- pretty rotten ones too, but nothing. i don't think anything like nothing. i don't think anything frwe-swe— nothing. i don't think anything frwe-swr free— nothing. i don't think anything like snp has been through. like the snp has been through. reef— like the snp has been through. rweflrewfwe— like the snp has been through. just-remind-of- like the snp has been through. just-remind-of 1. like the snp has been through.| just-remind-of 1 or just to remind ourselves of 1 or 2 ef— just to remind ourselves of 1 or 2 ef ewe— just to remind ourselves of 1 or 2 of the timelines— just to remind ourselves of 1 or 2 of the timelines on this. it began— 2 of the timelines on this. it began-weer— 2 of the timelines on this. it began -year with- 2 of the timelines on this. it began year with ian began last year with ian blackford_ began last year with ian blackford stepping down as the weefwfwefer— blackford stepping down as the westminster been westminster leader. he'd been a fewfffer— westminster leader. he'd been a familiar feature _ westminster leader. he'd been a familiar feature for— westminster leader. he'd been a familiar feature for a long frwe. — familiar feature for a long frwe. we— familiar feature for a long time. we then— familiar feature for a long time. we then of course, saw wfeefe—fwl nicola sturgeon resigning in refrwew— nicola sturgeon resigning in refrwew .— nicola sturgeon resigning in february . kate— nicola sturgeon resigning in february . kate forbes, who was february. kate forbes, who was reefer— february. kate forbes, who was feefew fw— february. kate forbes, who was feefew w free— february. kate forbes, who was beaten in the leadership eewfeef— beaten in the leadership contest, refusing a job, going to contest, refusing a job, going fe free— contest, refusing a job, going to the backbenches . the chief to the backbenches. the chief eeewwef— to the backbenches. the chief executive, peter— to the backbenches. the chief executive, peter murrell, of course arrested _ executive, peter murrell, of course arrested and all sorts of eweeffewe— course arrested and all sorts of questions about— course arrested and all sorts of questions about the £107,000 feew— questions about the £107,000 feew wef— questions about the £107,000 feew free we— questions about the £107,000 loan that he made to the party. we— loan that he made to the party. we e— loan that he made to the party. we e rearw— loan that he made to the party. and a really lovely £110,000 werew— and a really lovely £110,000 werfw ef— and a really lovely £110,000 worth of campervan. well, that's freew— worth of campervan. well, that's been impounded— worth of campervan. well, that's been impounded by the police. freer— been impounded by the police. free we— been impounded by the police. fwef fw— been impounded by the police. that was in his— been impounded by the police. that was in his mother's front frwe— that was in his mother's front erwe .— that was in his mother's front erwe . awe— that was in his mother's front erwe . awe ff— that was in his mother's front drive . and it goes— that was in his mother's front drive . and it goes on with drive. and it goes on with communications chief murray foot reefewwe— communications chief murray foot reefgwwg reef— communications chief murray foot resigning last month . and really resigning last month. and really efgwffeewfw— resigning last month. and really efgwffeewfw r— resigning last month. and really significantly i thought on april the significantly i thought on april we frw— significantly i thought on april we were free— significantly i thought on april the 7th, the accountants rewwefew — the 7th, the accountants johnston carmichael, who had freew—

johnston carmichael, who had been free— johnston carmichael, who had been the auditors, resigned . i been the auditors, resigned. i got been the auditors, resigned. i eef fe— been the auditors, resigned. i gef fe feu— been the auditors, resigned. i gef re feff yew,— been the auditors, resigned. i got to tell you, folks, when weer— got to tell you, folks, when your auditors— got to tell you, folks, when your auditors walk away, it eewfe— your auditors walk away, it eewfe fe— your auditors walk away, it could be that— your auditors walk away, it could be that something is awe— could be that something is amiss. and today the treasurer, ceffw— amiss. and today the treasurer, colin beattie— amiss. and today the treasurer, colin beattie ,_ amiss. and today the treasurer, colin beattie , gets arrested. colin beattie, gets arrested. weer-e— colin beattie, gets arrested. what's behind— colin beattie, gets arrested. what's behind it all? well, it's a what's behind it all? well, it's e ff-e— what's behind it all? well, it's e ff-e e— what's behind it all? well, it's a it's a scottish— what's behind it all? well, it's a it's a scottish police eeereffew— a it's a scottish police operation called branch form , operation called branch form, ewe— operation called branch form, and fwew-re— operation called branch form, and fwew-re fw— operation called branch form, and they're in there investigating , quite rightly investigating, quite rightly eeeefffe— investigating, quite rightly possible fund— investigating, quite rightly possible fund raising fraud wffww— possible fund raising fraud wffww free— possible fund raising fraud within the snp . why? well . within the snp. why? well. eeeeeee— within the snp. why? well. £666,953 had _ within the snp. why? well. £666,953 had been raised since zen.— £666,953 had been raised since 2017. specifically— £666,953 had been raised since 2017. specifically albie for a eeeewe — 2017. specifically albie for a second independence referendum . second independence referendum. but second independence referendum. ewf ff— second independence referendum. ewf ff reeke— second independence referendum. but it looks like— second independence referendum. but it looks like that money has freew— but it looks like that money has few were— but it looks like that money has been eeewf ew— but it looks like that money has been spent on other activities. affer— been spent on other activities. affer eff,— been spent on other activities. after all, there— been spent on other activities. after all, there hasn't been a eeeewe— after all, there hasn't been a second reform.— after all, there hasn't been a second reform. adam so the loan effe— second reform. adam so the loan efee wef— second reform. adam so the loan efee free we— second reform. adam so the loan also that was made— second reform. adam so the loan also that was made 170,000, eweooo— also that was made 170,000, eweooo fw— also that was made 170,000, £170,000 by murrell. that was referred— £170,000 by murrell. that was referred refe— £170,000 by murrell. that was reported late to— £170,000 by murrell. that was reported late to elcombe some of it's reported late to elcombe some of we freew— reported late to elcombe some of we few were— reported late to elcombe some of it's been paid back,— reported late to elcombe some of it's been paid back, some of it weer-f.— it's been paid back, some of it weer-f. ff— it's been paid back, some of it weer-f. re re— it's been paid back, some of it weer-f. rf fe e— it's been paid back, some of it hasn't. it is a complete and effer— hasn't. it is a complete and wffer weee— hasn't. it is a complete and wffer .— hasn't. it is a complete and utter mess. i'm— hasn't. it is a complete and utter mess. i'm not going to few— utter mess. i'm not going to feff wer— utter mess. i'm not going to feff wew ew— utter mess. i'm not going to tell you on live— utter mess. i'm not going to tell you on live television where— tell you on live television where r— tell you on live television where i think— tell you on live television where i think this will end feeewee— where i think this will end

because that— where i think this will end because that might get me into very,— because that might get me into were very— because that might get me into were very reef— because that might get me into very, very real trouble. let me were— very, very real trouble. let me were wer— very, very real trouble. let me were wew e— very, very real trouble. let me make you a promise this ain't going— make you a promise this ain't going fe— make you a promise this ain't gefwg re ewe— make you a promise this ain't going to end well— make you a promise this ain't going to end well . make you a promise this ain't going to end well. but make you a promise this ain't going to end well . but here's going to end well. but here's free— going to end well. but here's free eefre— going to end well. but here's free eefwf .— going to end well. but here's the point . the— going to end well. but here's the point . the scottish national the point. the scottish national party— the point. the scottish national reww fewe— the point. the scottish national party have become i think, in free— party have become i think, in we were— party have become i think, in the minds of— party have become i think, in the minds of most of us, eeeefwfew— the minds of most of us, absolutely synonymous with the eeweefew— absolutely synonymous with the eeweefgw fer— absolutely synonymous with the campaign for scottish separation or campaign for scottish separation er seefffew— campaign for scottish separation or scottish independence. wwewewer— or scottish independence. whichever word you prefer. and i wee— whichever word you prefer. and i wonder whether, _ whichever word you prefer. and i wonder whether, given this party appeare— wonder whether, given this party eeeeere fe— wonder whether, given this party eeeeere re re— wonder whether, given this party eeeeere re fee fw— wonder whether, given this party appears to be in a— wonder whether, given this party appears to be in a tailspin, wef— appears to be in a tailspin, fwef ff— appears to be in a tailspin, fwef ff fe— appears to be in a tailspin, that it is not— appears to be in a tailspin, that it is not going to come out of that it is not going to come out ef quicklv-— that it is not going to come out ef quickly- r— that it is not going to come out of quickly. i promise you were-e— of quickly. i promise you there's worse— of quickly. i promise you there's worse to come. i wonder where— there's worse to come. i wonder wwefwer free— there's worse to come. i wonder whether the campaign for seefffew— whether the campaign for scottish separation is now effeefwew— scottish separation is now effectively over. give me your fwewewfe— effectively over. give me your fwewewfe .— effectively over. give me your thoughts . farage_ effectively over. give me your thoughts . farage at gb news .uk. thoughts. farage at gb news .uk. wew— thoughts. farage at gb news .uk. wew fw— thoughts. farage at gb news .uk. wew r-w very— thoughts. farage at gb news .uk. now i'm very pleased to say that were— now i'm very pleased to say that austin sheridan,— now i'm very pleased to say that austin sheridan, a— now i'm very pleased to say that austin sheridan, a former snp efeeeew— austin sheridan, a former snp efeeeew efw— austin sheridan, a former snp glasgow city councillor , is glasgow city councillor, is brewe— glasgow city councillor, is brave enough— glasgow city councillor, is brave enough to come on to defend— brave enough to come on to defend free— brave enough to come on to defend the snp— brave enough to come on to defend the snp austin. good ewewwe— defend the snp austin. good ewewwe .— defend the snp austin. good ewewwg . we— defend the snp austin. good evening . ng your new leader evening. ng your new leader wwwze— evening. ng your new leader

humza yousaf— evening. ng your new leader humza yousaf .— evening. ng your new leader humza yousaf . he said he was the humza yousaf. he said he was the eewffwwffw— humza yousaf. he said he was the continuity candidate— humza yousaf. he said he was the continuity candidate . that continuity candidate. that eeeew-f— continuity candidate. that doesn't look— continuity candidate. that doesn't look right at the minute to doesn't look right at the minute fe fe— doesn't look right at the minute fe be e— doesn't look right at the minute fe be e very— doesn't look right at the minute to be a very wise— doesn't look right at the minute to be a very wise positioning, eeee— to be a very wise positioning, eeee ff— to be a very wise positioning, eeee ff f — to be a very wise positioning, does it ? good— to be a very wise positioning, does it ? c: " g \r 92; does it? good evening nigel. what humza yousaf meant by being a continuity candidate is sticking the sticking with the progressive policies that the snp have been pursuing, which has allowed us to win election after election after election . after election after election. as you may be aware, the other candidates were offering different perspectives . they different perspectives. they were suggesting that we should move government in a different direction. candidates were direction. some candidates were suggesting that we should abandon the defence of scottish democracy and not fight westminster on the on the section 35, whereas for me, the snp has always been successful when we when we pursue progressive policies and when we robustly defend scottish democracy, it's a strategy that has worked for many years and i do not see why that that particular strategy would not work moving forward. what i would say for humza is he's had

a very, very tough gig, and let's put it that way since he became leader of the snp. i think that he's proven to be resilient and dealing with these matters. but yeah, i mean these are difficult times for the snp and, and there's no two ways of, of putting it that has been really, really difficult and the snp member these past few weeks . no absolutely but you talk efewf— no absolutely but you talk about progressive policies the swe— about progressive policies the ewe eefre— about progressive policies the snp doing well— about progressive policies the snp doing well with progressive eeffefee— snp doing well with progressive peffefee. wew— snp doing well with progressive peffefee. wew r— snp doing well with progressive policies. now i know that this ffwewefef— policies. now i know that this financial scandal— policies. now i know that this financial scandal was bubbling ewew— financial scandal was bubbling ewew fw— financial scandal was bubbling ewew w free— financial scandal was bubbling away in the background, but eefwefw— away in the background, but actually short— away in the background, but actually short term, the thing wef— actually short term, the thing fwef werew— actually short term, the thing that brought sturgeon down after ten that brought sturgeon down after few were— that brought sturgeon down after few weere ef— that brought sturgeon down after ten years of dominance and real eewfwewee— ten years of dominance and real eewfwewee ef— ten years of dominance and real dominance of scottish politics ewe— dominance of scottish politics was this absolutely crazy , easy, was this absolutely crazy, easy, eeweer— was this absolutely crazy, easy, gender wrecking— was this absolutely crazy, easy, gender wrecking emission feefefeffew— gender wrecking emission legislation. and when the sewer— legislation. and when the scottish people saw a double reefer— scottish people saw a double reefer rwrwwe— scottish people saw a double rapist turning up— scottish people saw a double rapist turning up in court in a wig— rapist turning up in court in a wig ,_ rapist turning up in court in a we , being— rapist turning up in court in a wig , being convicted and being wig, being convicted and being eewf— wig, being convicted and being eewf fe— wig, being convicted and being eewf fe e— wig, being convicted and being sent to a women's— wig, being convicted and being sent to a women's prison, they eewf— sent to a women's prison, they eefe enough-— sent to a women's prison, they said enough. and— sent to a women's prison, they said enough. and yet your leader has said enough. and yet your leader he feared— said enough. and yet your leader has decided he— said enough. and yet your leader has decided he wants to defense— has decided he wants to challenge that decision that was fewer— challenge that decision that was

fewew fw— challenge that decision that was fewew few we— challenge that decision that was taken by the british government in westminster. _ taken by the british government in westminster. he wants to go to in westminster. he wants to go fe eewf— in westminster. he wants to go fe eewf ewe— in westminster. he wants to go to court and continue with the eeffew— to court and continue with the peffew .— to court and continue with the eefrew . r— to court and continue with the eefrew . r weew— to court and continue with the policy . i mean, isn't this policy. i mean, isn't this eewefefe— policy. i mean, isn't this complete and- policy. i mean, isn't this complete and utter madness . complete and utter madness. wen.— complete and utter madness. weu. fer— complete and utter madness. weu. fer we— complete and utter madness. well, for me personally,- complete and utter madness. well, for me personally, nigel, i do support the gender recognition reform. so i speak from that position too. but in terms of the of the context, what's happened is the scottish parliament has legislated an an area that is devolved . the area that is devolved. the westminster government have decided to put in a section 35 to block that . the scottish to block that. the scottish government have since approached the secretary of state for scotland and the first for me to sit down to look at how we can look how we could amend the legislation, potentially how we can pass through parliament can pass it through parliament and everything's and where everything's acceptable thus far acceptable and thus far westminster have refused to do so. so the end of the day, so. so at the end of the day, whether albie, whether you agree with the issue or don't agree with the issue or don't agree with issue, have to with the issue, you have to separate to the point this separate the to the point this is actually about defending scotland, democracy, is actually about defending scoscottish democracy, is actually about defending scoscottish parliamentnocracy, is actually about defending

scoscottish parliament has'acy, the scottish parliament has been debating for the best part debating this for the best part of years, longest that of six years, the longest that any legislation has any piece of legislation has been since devolution in been debated since devolution in 1999 and then and then scottish msps and our parliament cross—party from all parties, imported this legislation through, including conservative members of the scottish parliament as well . and when it parliament as well. and when it comes to iowa, bryson, of course that that particular case is extremely concerning . there were extremely concerning. there were definitely mistakes made in the sense that that person was sent to a women's prison . i think it to a women's prison. i think it would be acceptable to say that that person may well be trying to use a trans to their advantage . but what i would also advantage. but what i would also say is that the vast majority of trans people are law abiding citizens and they should not pay the price of people, evil people like bryce. was that some of the way i can describe bryson is evil and the crimes were abhorrent. and i hope that they face the full extent of the law error. and it's a mistake . it's

error. and it's a mistake. it's a error. and it's a mistake. it's e wfefeke— error. and it's a mistake. it's a mistake. this— error. and it's a mistake. it's a mistake. this is— and it's a mistake. it's a mistake. this is exactly what you— a mistake. this is exactly what you eef. — a mistake. this is exactly what you gef. aweffw— a mistake. this is exactly what you get. austin. i— a mistake. this is exactly what you get. austin. i can see were— you get. austin. i can see you're sticking— you get. austin. i can see you're sticking to your guns . i you're sticking to your guns. i get— you're sticking to your guns. i eef free— you're sticking to your guns. i gef we reefe— you're sticking to your guns. i get the logic. you've made the erewwewf. — get the logic. you've made the ergwwewf. r— get the logic. you've made the argument. i thank— get the logic. you've made the argument. i thank you for joining— argument. i thank you for joining we— argument. i thank you for joining us tonight on gb news. fweww— joining us tonight on gb news. fweww yew.— joining us tonight on gb news. thank you. denis— joining us tonight on gb news. thank you. denis healey famously eewf,— thank you. denis healey famously once said, when— thank you. denis healey famously once said, when in— thank you. denis healey famously once said, when in a hole, stop digging-— once said, when in a hole, stop efggfwg. awe— once said, when in a hole, stop efggfwg. we r— once said, when in a hole, stop digging. and i think that's what fwew-re— digging. and i think that's what fwew-re doing-— digging. and i think that's what they're doing. they're still digging-— they're doing. they're still digging- now— they're doing. they're still digging. now, joining me, neale wewwew— digging. now, joining me, neale wewwew wr— digging. now, joining me, neale wewwew we fer— digging. now, joining me, neale hanvey, mp for kirkcaldy and cowdenbeath_ hanvey, mp for kirkcaldy and cowdenbeath ,_ hanvey, mp for kirkcaldy and cowdenbeath , formerly of course cowdenbeath, formerly of course of cowdenbeath, formerly of course ef-swr — cowdenbeath, formerly of course ef-swr fer— cowdenbeath, formerly of course of-snp for many— cowdenbeath, formerly of course of snp for many years with of the snp for many years with the of the snp for many years with free swe— of the snp for many years with free swr .— of the snp for many years with free swr , ew— of the snp for many years with the snp , now with alex salmond's the snp, now with alex salmond's affe— the snp, now with alex salmond's awe perry.— the snp, now with alex salmond's awe perry. weree— the snp, now with alex salmond's alba party. here's the point . alba party. here's the point. wwer— alba party. here's the point. when we— alba party. here's the point. when we had— alba party. here's the point. when we had brexit, we had concerns . natives and when we had brexit, we had concerns. natives and ukip, frwe-e— concerns. natives and ukip, frwe-e ewe— concerns. natives and ukip, ukip's and labour and the odd ereew— ukip's and labour and the odd ereew ewe— ukip's and labour and the odd green and the— ukip's and labour and the odd green and the odd liberal, and were— green and the odd liberal, and were ee— green and the odd liberal, and were e— green and the odd liberal, and there was a coalition around the wee— there was a coalition around the free we— there was a coalition around the idea we should— there was a coalition around the idea we should leave the rereeeew— idea we should leave the european union. i appeared on a efeee— european union. i appeared on a efeee wffw— european union. i appeared on a stage with george— european union. i appeared on a stage with george galloway. i wefeew— stage with george galloway. i mean, nobody would ever believe freer.— mean, nobody would ever believe freer. wwer— mean, nobody would ever believe freer. we re— mean, nobody would ever believe that. what is interesting about the that. what is interesting about we eeweefew— that. what is interesting about the campaign for— that. what is interesting about the campaign for separation efreew— the campaign for separation streak independence in scotland is streak independence in scotland fe wef— streak independence in scotland fe fwef ff— streak independence in scotland is that it became— streak independence in scotland is that it became the snp and eew— is that it became the snp and eww free— is that it became the snp and eww we swe— is that it became the snp and eww we swr .— is that it became the snp and only the snp . yeah, that was only the snp. yeah, that was renewed— only the snp. yeah, that was identified with— only the snp. yeah, that was identified with that issue . your identified with that issue. your old identified with that issue. your efe perry.— identified with that issue. your

ere perry. rf-e— identified with that issue. your old party- it's you— identified with that issue. your old party. it's you know it's got— old party. it's you know it's eef fwrfwer— old party. it's you know it's got further to _ old party. it's you know it's got further to go down in my wew— got further to go down in my .— got further to go down in my . ee— got further to go down in my . fee wew— got further to go down in my view . do you see— got further to go down in my view . do you see the logic of view. do you see the logic of free— view. do you see the logic of we erewwewf— view. do you see the logic of the argument that with it goes wef— the argument that with it goes fwef eeweefew— the argument that with it goes that campaign that you fought for that campaign that you fought fer ee— that campaign that you fought fer ee weww— that campaign that you fought for so many years and i understand— for so many years and i understand that the hope in our eeeewewfe— understand that the hope in our eeeewewfe wef— understand that the hope in our opponents that that's what weeeewe— opponents that that's what weeeewe eef— opponents that that's what happens but that is, you know, wwfewwwefe— happens but that is, you know, unfortunate albie— happens but that is, you know, unfortunate albie not going to be we— unfortunate albie not going to be free eeee— unfortunate albie not going to be the case now. _ unfortunate albie not going to be the case now. c unfortunate albie not going to be the case now. 6 cc be the case now. it will be difficult for many people. the ongoing and escalating challenges that you know, those of us who are following this will be aware that there is yet more to come and none of it is good. but yes i mean the you know, the fundamental issue the point that you made is absolutely where the independence movement was at the end of the referendum. and that movement that rose up. and one of the darkest times imaginable after a defeat and so close. but yet so far and we galvanised and rallied behind the snp as the

vehicle for independence. yes. yes i mean, labour voters who fewewree— yes i mean, labour voters who favoured that— yes i mean, labour voters who favoured that policy— “in; i mean, labour voters who favoured that policy came behind the favoured that policy came behind free swe— favoured that policy came behind free swr ewe— favoured that policy came behind the snp and the— favoured that policy came behind the snp and the problem was that ferwe— the snp and the problem was that ewrfwe free— the snp and the problem was that during the campaign that we had referr— during the campaign that we had feeewr fer— during the campaign that we had labour for independence, we had ereew— labour for independence, we had ereew ferw— labour for independence, we had ereew reww fer— labour for independence, we had green party for independence eewerewere— green party for independence pensioners, for— green party for independence pensioners, for independence , pensioners, for independence, lib pensioners, for independence, we dewe— pensioners, for independence, we eewe fer— pensioners, for independence, lib dems for independence. so were— lib dems for independence. so were we— lib dems for independence. so there was that— lib dems for independence. so there was that broad - lib dems for independence. so there was that broad church and there was that broad church and the snp always has historically been a very broad church. it's been a very broad church. it's been one of its great strengths is that but the snp now after that referendum in 14 nine years ago yeah getting a long time ago yes indeed after that referendum effectively what happened was those groups all became the snp and for the last few years . and for the last few years. yeah. and i'll come to alba in a eeewe— yeah. and i'll come to alba in a eeewe eef— yeah. and i'll come to alba in a second but for— yeah. and i'll come to alba in a second but for the _ yeah. and i'll come to alba in a second but for the last few weee— second but for the last few wee ff— second but for the last few wee ff wew— second but for the last few years, if you believe in seefffew— years, if you believe in scottish separation, you are an ewe.— scottish separation, you are an we ff— scottish separation, you are an we rf weer— scottish separation, you are an we rf weer werew— scottish separation, you are an snp. if your party key, your wewefe— snp. if your party key, your vehicle wants— snp. if your party key, your vehicle wants to- snp. if your party key, your vehicle wants to use that eeeereffew— vehicle wants to use that separation line- vehicle wants to use that separation line to pass trans feefefeffew— separation line to pass trans legislation on— separation line to pass trans legislation on that 80% of scots eew-f— legislation on that 80% of scots eew-f eeree— legislation on that 80% of scots don't agree with— legislation on that 80% of scots don't agree with 85% of scots, eeeeffe— don't agree with 85% of scots, despite whatever— don't agree with 85% of scots,

despite whatever the parliament did. despite whatever the parliament efe. few— despite whatever the parliament are few wew— despite whatever the parliament are few wew .— despite whatever the parliament did. you know , can you see how did. you know, can you see how free— did. you know, can you see how free ferwe— did. you know, can you see how we were free— did. you know, can you see how the thing that you— did. you know, can you see how the thing that you believed in for the thing that you believed in fer ee— the thing that you believed in fer ee weww— the thing that you believed in for so many years is in big frewffef — for so many years is in big trouble? well,— for so many years is in big trouble? will for so many years is in big trouble? we“ for so many years is in big trouble? well, you know, they need to be decoupled and they will be decoupled. and i think that as things are clarified in the coming weeks and months , i the coming weeks and months, i think there will probably be that spirit of galvanise and desire for independence will move away from the snp and back to the movement. we'll see that at the beginning of may when we have a march in glasgow organised by all under one bannen organised by all under one banner, which exactly that banner, which is exactly that broad that you were broad church that you were speaking of. but what i would say is the decision the say is that the decision for the snp be the single standard snp to be the single standard bearer was deliberate decision bearer was a deliberate decision and it was a decision that was taken by nicola sturgeon and i think what we've learned from thatis think what we've learned from that is that no one and no party is the independence movement. and so it's perhaps a very painful lesson , but it's an painful lesson, but it's an important lesson to the movement that we cannot allow that to

happen again. we must ensure that that broad church is reflected in the leadership of the movement and that will happen. nigel i mean, the desire for the support for the independence is plummeting after the snp is plummeting as is support, as is support for independence by alex salmond himself. your leader, your reefer— himself. your leader, your leader himself— himself. your leader, your leader himself .- " your leader, your leader himself . hang on, your leader himself. hang on, your reefer— leader himself. hang on, your leader himself— leader himself. hang on, your leader himself ,_ leader himself. hang on, your leader himself, in a speech leader himself. hang on, your leader himself , in a speech the leader himself, in a speech the effer— leader himself, in a speech the ewe eew— leader himself, in a speech the other day talked— leader himself, in a speech the other day talked about the fall in other day talked about the fall fw eweeere— other day talked about the fall fw eweeere wew— other day talked about the fall in support may damage the snp eefre— in support may damage the snp eefre ff— in support may damage the snp were doing it but— in support may damage the snp were doing it but let's get ref-e— were doing it but let's get fer-e eef— were doing it but let's get fer-e eef ew— were doing it but let's get let's get on to— were doing it but let's get let's get on to alex salmond not not let's get on to alex salmond not wef fer— let's get on to alex salmond not not for independence i'll not for independence nigel i'll fewe— not for independence nigel i'll have-dominant- not for independence nigel i'll have dominant big have to big dominant big eewfwewf— have to big dominant big dominant character yeah salman you dominant character yeah salman few wew— dominant character yeah salman you know actually— you know actually got a eereewefffw— you know actually got a personality key to most unusual in personality key to most unusual fw eeffffee— personality key to most unusual fw eeffffee ewe— personality key to most unusual in politics and he'd been in a few— in politics and he'd been in a few ereefewe— in politics and he'd been in a few problems and a few scrapes ewe— few problems and a few scrapes ewe were— few problems and a few scrapes and there were— few problems and a few scrapes and there were a— few problems and a few scrapes and there were a tough time. how is and there were a tough time. how fe ff— and there were a tough time. how fe ff wef— and there were a tough time. how fe ff free free— and there were a tough time. how is it that he's not— and there were a tough time. how is it that he's not been able to get— is it that he's not been able to eef affe— is it that he's not been able to eef affe eff— is it that he's not been able to get alba off the _ is it that he's not been able to get alba off the ground in the way— get alba off the ground in the wew wef— get alba off the ground in the wew free free— get alba off the ground in the way that he'd hoped? well i r— way that he'd hoped? well i mean, i think— way that he'd hoped? well i mean, i think we were stymied , mean, i think we were stymied, wwferfwwefefw— mean, i think we were stymied, unfortunately, by— mean, i think we were stymied, unfortunately, by a decision wef— unfortunately, by a decision that nicola— unfortunately, by a decision that nicola sturgeon took in the 21 that nicola sturgeon took in the zr eeweref— that nicola sturgeon took in the 21 general election in scotland, wwer— 21 general election in scotland,

wwew wee— 21 general election in scotland, wwew fe— 21 general election in scotland, which was to give— 21 general election in scotland, which was to give your second were— which was to give your second wefe fe— which was to give your second wefe fe free— which was to give your second vote to the snp— which was to give your second vote to the snp ,_ which was to give your second vote to the snp , which vote to the snp, which effectively _ vote to the snp, which effectively would be a wasted were— effectively would be a wasted wefe wwer— effectively would be a wasted vote when they— effectively would be a wasted vote when they were performing so vote when they were performing ee efrewefw— vote when they were performing ee efrewefw fw— vote when they were performing so strongly in the— vote when they were performing so strongly in the constituency wefee— so strongly in the constituency wefee . — so strongly in the constituency wefee . awf— so strongly in the constituency votes . and what— so strongly in the constituency votes . and what that- so strongly in the constituency votes . ' votes. and what that enabled favoured was the unionist parties coming in on the list which is, you know, the make up of the current scottish parliament. now you know, there's very little value in me speculating on her reasons for that. but just from a the perspective as an independent supporter, it was a really foolish move because cause we would have had an absolutely galvanised independent, would have had an absolutely galvanised independent , focussed galvanised independent, focussed scottish parliament and that would only have strengthened the voice of the movement , not just voice of the movement, not just nationally but also internationally . and i think internationally. and i think that i think the influence of personality , personality is personality, personality is important, but when one person's wish is dictate what happens in a movement, you know what? it's not a good thing. it happens all

through history. oh, it does. it's never good and it's never good. final thought. you've got incredible devolved powers. you know, scotland is you know, scotland is self—governing in know, scotland is self—governing w e— know, scotland is self—governing w e wew— know, scotland is self—governing w e werw wwe— know, scotland is self—governing in a very wide range of areas as eef— in a very wide range of areas as ewf ref-e— in a very wide range of areas as ewf fer-e fe— in a very wide range of areas as but let's be honest— in a very wide range of areas as but let's be honest , there's not but let's be honest, there's not going— but let's be honest, there's not going fe— but let's be honest, there's not going re re— but let's be honest, there's not going re be e— but let's be honest, there's not going to be a second referendum on going to be a second referendum ew seefffew— going to be a second referendum on scottish separation for a fewe— on scottish separation for a few frwe— on scottish separation for a long time now,— on scottish separation for a long time now, is there? will long time now, is there? well, fw— long time now, is there? well, r-w eeewe— long time now, is there? well, i'm unlike many— long time now, is there? well, i'm unlike many other people. i am not completely wedded to the idea that a referendum is the only democratic vehicle by which you can you can establish a desire for. yeah, for self—governance , ordnance. you self—governance, ordnance. you know, there are other ways and means to bring the focus on the wishes of the population . and wishes of the population. and thatis wishes of the population. and that is , in essence, the most that is, in essence, the most important thing, that there is a democratic process , whatever democratic process, whatever that may be. well, there's a eeewer— that may be. well, there's a deeper agenda— that may be. well, there's a deeper agenda here. - well, there's a deeper agenda here. we're going to deeper agenda here. we're going fe erm— deeper agenda here. we're going fe erfff ff.— deeper agenda here. we're going fe erfff f. f— deeper agenda here. we're going to drill it. it sounds quite efwefer— to drill it. it sounds quite sinister to— to drill it. it sounds quite sinister to me.— to drill it. it sounds quite sinister to me. no, not at all. were— sinister to me. no, not at all. were going— sinister to me. no, not at all. were going re— sinister to me. no, not at all. we're going to drill into it one eew.— we're going to drill into it one eew-wei— we're going to drill into it one day. .neil albie,- we're going to drill into it one day. neil albie, thank you day. but neil albie, thank you wew— day. but neil albie, thank you wew-weeee— day. but neil albie, thank you very indeed joining me.

very much indeed forjoining me. now!— very much indeed forjoining me. wew-wewewf— very much indeed forjoining me. now, moment, we're going to now, in a moment, we're going to few— now, in a moment, we're going to few eeewe— now, in a moment, we're going to few eeewf ewe— now, in a moment, we're going to talk about and this— now, in a moment, we're going to talk about and this will be sewe— talk about and this will be eewf-eew.- talk about and this will be- saint- day. . happens saint george's day. it happens feeewee— saint george's day. it happens feeewee ff-e— saint george's day. it happens because it's this— saint george's day. it happens because it's this sunday, the frette— because it's this sunday, the mobile-alert.- because it's this sunday, the mobile-alert. is- because it's this sunday, the mobile alert. is it mobile phone alert. is it eeefreffe— mobile phone alert. is it desirable ?_ mobile phone alert. is it desirable ? is— mobile phone alert. is it desirable ? is it good? is it the desirable? is it good? is it the wew— desirable? is it good? is it the were wwe— desirable? is it good? is it the were fwwe er— desirable? is it good? is it the right thing or is— desirable? is it good? is it the right thing or is it— desirable? is it good? is it the right thing or is it something eewerwwewf— right thing or is it something government could use future? government could use in future? it's government could use in future? we wew— government could use in future? we werw .— government could use in future? we werw , wew— government could use in future? we werw , werw wef— government could use in future? it's very , very hot today. it's it's very, very hot today. it's going— it's very, very hot today. it's going fe— it's very, very hot today. it's going re fe— it's very, very hot today. it's going re re ee— it's very, very hot today. it's going to be 38 degrees. don't reeve— going to be 38 degrees. don't feewe wew— going to be 38 degrees. don't leave your house— going to be 38 degrees. don't leave your house is this another efeweew— leave your house is this another efeweew ef— leave your house is this another extension of government into our eweee— extension of government into our fweef eewe— extension of government into our fweef cewfe we— extension of government into our lives? could we even have matt weweeew— lives? could we even have matt weweeew eeew— lives? could we even have matt hancock back telling us to not reeve— hancock back telling us to not leave our houses?— hancock back telling us to not leave our houses? all of that in a leave our houses? all of that in e eeewe— leave our houses? all of that in e eewefe ef— leave our houses? all of that in a couple of minutes .

there. thank you very much indeed for your listening to gb newsroom radio . this sunday. newsroom radio. this sunday. yes, it's the english national day,— yes, it's the english national dave wef— yes, it's the english national eew, wef wef— yes, it's the english national day, not that really anybody in weefwfwefer— day, not that really anybody in westminster or— day, not that really anybody in westminster or the british government— westminster or the british government takes that terribly eerfewefw. — government takes that terribly seriously. they're— government takes that terribly seriously. they're almost embarrassed— seriously. they're almost embarrassed both parties, i fwww— embarrassed both parties, i fwww fe— embarrassed both parties, i think, to ever— embarrassed both parties, i think, to ever express any view eeewe— think, to ever express any view about englishness_ think, to ever express any view about englishness as possibly ferwe— about englishness as possibly ferwe e— about englishness as possibly being e good— about englishness as possibly being a good thing. but they're going— being a good thing. but they're going fe— being a good thing. but they're going re eewe— being a good thing. but they're going to send you— being a good thing. but they're going to send you a message on a

wette— going to send you a message on a weeffe efewe— going to send you a message on a mobile phone. and— going to send you a message on a mobile phone. and i— going to send you a message on a mobile phone. and i bet many of you mobile phone. and i bet many of wew eew-f— mobile phone. and i bet many of wew eew-f reeffw— mobile phone. and i bet many of you don't really know very much efewe— you don't really know very much efewflse— you don't really know very much about-so let's— you don't really know very much about-so let's find- you don't really know very much about so let's find out what about it. so let's find out what is about it. so let's find out what fe efewee— about it. so let's find out what fe efewee .— about it. so let's find out what fe efewee . www— about it. so let's find out what is planned . why could it be is planned. why could it be a good— is planned. why could it be a good eweee— is planned. why could it be a good thing? could it be a bad eweee— good thing? could it be a bad fwwef awe— good thing? could it be a bad thing? and i'm— good thing? could it be a bad thing? and i'm joined by cereffwe— thing? and i'm joined by caroline abrahams , charity caroline abrahams, charity efreefer— caroline abrahams, charity efreefer ef— caroline abrahams, charity director of age— caroline abrahams, charity director of age uk . caroline, director of age uk. caroline, good— director of age uk. caroline, good evening-— director of age uk. caroline, good evening. welcome to the program-— good evening. welcome to the ereerew. eewew,— good evening. welcome to the program. jenny, what's interesting— program. jenny, what's interesting about this, i think were-e— interesting about this, i think fwere-e e— interesting about this, i think fwere-e e efeee— interesting about this, i think there's a deep sea of ignorance. a ref— there's a deep sea of ignorance. a fef ef— there's a deep sea of ignorance. a fer ef eeewe— there's a deep sea of ignorance. a lot of people don't even know wwer— a lot of people don't even know we re— a lot of people don't even know we fe efewe— a lot of people don't even know what is about to— a lot of people don't even know what is about to happen. so can you— what is about to happen. so can wew effere— what is about to happen. so can wew ewere ff,— what is about to happen. so can you share it, please— what is about to happen. so can you share it, please , with you share it, please, with ewerweeewf— you share it, please, with everybody? yes. yes " everybody? yes. yes i mean, i'm not from the government of course, but as my understanding is, at 3:00 on sunday afternoon , a message is going to be sent to every uk mobile phone that i presume some will be missed. but basically we should all expect to get a message which which we don't have to do anything about except swipe it away. apparently and it's just a test. it's a test for a national alert system , which apparently they have in some other countries . but we've some other countries. but we've never had yet in this country.

and it's case there's a flood and it's in case there's a flood or a national emergency or in these deeply uncertain times, some foreign government wants to do something nasty to us. and they need to get a message out to everybody, all at the same time quickly. so just time quite quickly. so it's just a of and that's it. a test of that. and that's it. but i think, as you say , nigel, but i think, as you say, nigel, quite few people aren't quite quite a few people aren't quite sure it or haven't heard sure about it or haven't heard about it yet . well, i do wonder about it yet. well, i do wonder efeeew— about it yet. well, i do wonder eweeere were— about it yet. well, i do wonder though, there could— e «rifle well, i do wonder though, there could be quite a lot though, there could be quite a er ef— though, there could be quite a lot of pensioners— though, there could be quite a lot of pensioners in the country wef— lot of pensioners in the country fwef eew-f— lot of pensioners in the country that don't know— lot of pensioners in the country that don't know anything about it that don't know anything about ff wwe— that don't know anything about ff wwe eewe— that don't know anything about it who could be— that don't know anything about it who could be rather alarmed by effe— it who could be rather alarmed few were wefee— it who could be rather alarmed by this noise they— it who could be rather alarmed by this noise they receive at eree— by this noise they receive at free ew— by this noise they receive at 3:00 on sunday— by this noise they receive at 3:00 on sunday after noon. do you— 3:00 on sunday after noon. do wew-ee— 3:00 on sunday after noon. do wew-ee wew— 3:00 on sunday after noon. do you-do you think- 3:00 on sunday after noon. do you do you think this you think do you think this eewe— you think do you think this eewee eewe— you think do you think this could panic some people? i think people— could panic some people? i think some people might be a bit ewrerfeee— some people might be a bit ewrerfeee . — some people might be a bit surprised . and— some people might be a bit surprised . ' r: g some people might be a bit- surprised . and although personal surprised. and although personal , i would have thought that the people most likely to be surprised either probably haven't got a mobile phone at all or keep it switched off in a drawer i think older people are drawer. i think older people are more inclined. obviously, some older people are on their phones all the time, just like 16 year olds. but a lot of older people use their mobile phone more like

a i think. so a traditional phone. i think. so they notice it, they may just not notice it, actually. but for other people, yeah, course may be yeah, of course they may be slightly surprised. and i just hopein slightly surprised. and i just hope in the few days that we've got now and sunday, got now between now and sunday, that ramp up that the government does ramp up its to and the its efforts to try and get the message across , because i think message across, because i think if they're going to do this, which have objection to, which i have no objection to, also responsibility also their responsibility to make aren't taken make sure people aren't taken by, know, unawares by it. so by, you know, unawares by it. so that means using all the channels at their disposal to get the message across . well, i get the message across. well, i think , to be honest,— get the message across. well, i think , to be honest, the- think, to be honest, the government— think, to be honest, the government advertising of this has government advertising of this free eeew— government advertising of this free teen werew— government advertising of this has been pretty paltry. now as eewefeew— has been pretty paltry. now as somebody representing you know, age somebody representing you know, eee ww— somebody representing you know, eee we, ee— somebody representing you know, eee we, we wew— somebody representing you know, age uk, do you see— somebody representing you know, age uk, do you see potential good— age uk, do you see potential eeee ee— age uk, do you see potential good fer— age uk, do you see potential good uses for this? are there wewe— good uses for this? are there wewe fw— good uses for this? are there wewe fw wwer— good uses for this? are there ways in which you think in the ferwe— ways in which you think in the fwfwre ewe— ways in which you think in the future this could— ways in which you think in the future this could be used and eewe— future this could be used and eewfe ee— future this could be used and could be helpful? “43?" cc» could be helpful? yeah, i do eeweew.— could be helpful? yeah, i do actually. i think with the climate as uncertain as it is, we've had some pretty bad floods, haven't we, in recent years ? now, whether every older years? now, whether every older person is actually going to spot a message on a mobile phone is a bit open to doubt because obviously a lot of older people

don't have them or don't use them very often . so it may not them very often. so it may not be the best mechanism for getting the message across because it still a digital because it is still a digital mechanism and we know lots of older people aren't digitally included. know, face to included. so, you know, face to face, the knock on the door is still going to be really important. but perhaps their important. but perhaps if their neighbour and neighbour has a mobile phone and there's important that there's something important that they round and knock on they will go round and knock on they will go round and knock on the so actually i, you the door. so actually i, you know, i hope it never has be know, i hope it never has to be used. of course we all do. but i don't see any any harm in having that. other countries are that. but other countries are trying it as well . caroline trying it as well. caroline thank you very much indeed for joining us. and for explaining to joining us. and for explaining fe we— joining us. and for explaining fe we wwer-e— joining us. and for explaining to us what's actually- " g and for explaining to us what's actually going to happen— to us what's actually going to fewer ewe— to us what's actually going to happen and what the potential good— happen and what the potential eeew ee— happen and what the potential good uses might— happen and what the potential good uses might be. well, let's good uses might be. well, let's go ew— good uses might be. well, let's go fe— good uses might be. well, let's go now to andrew— good uses might be. well, let's go now to andrew allison , chief go now to andrew allison, chief eeewwef — go now to andrew allison, chief eeewwef ef— go now to andrew allison, chief executive of the _ go now to andrew allison, chief executive of the freedom association _ executive of the freedom association .— executive of the freedom association . andrew, the fact association. andrew, the fact wef— association. andrew, the fact fwef effer— association. andrew, the fact that other governments have used efwffer— that other governments have used similar methods— that other governments have used similar methods doesn't mean weeeeeerffw— similar methods doesn't mean necessarily that— similar methods doesn't mean necessarily that we should be eewe— necessarily that we should be eefre ewe— necessarily that we should be doing fwe .— necessarily that we should be doing this . who— necessarily that we should be doing this . who gave the

doing this. who gave the government— doing this. who gave the government our mobile phone wwwferef— government our mobile phone wwweeref — government our mobile phone numbers? well,— government our mobile phone numbers? 39°c“ government our mobile phone numbers? well, that's a very good question, isn't it? nigel i think someone in government wee— i think someone in government wee eeweew— i think someone in government has decided that— i think someone in government has decided that it has the ewe— has decided that it has the pwe free— has decided that it has the power, the capability to be able to power, the capability to be able fe ee— power, the capability to be able fe ee ewe— power, the capability to be able to do this sort— power, the capability to be able to do this sort of— power, the capability to be able to do this sort of thing. so ref-e— to do this sort of thing. so were 90— to do this sort of thing. so let's go ahead— to do this sort of thing. so let's go ahead and- to do this sort of thing. so let's go ahead and do it. but i really can't see the point of it. i mean, when it comes to bad weather, i would imagine that the majority of gb news viewers who smartphones probably who have smartphones probably have phone have weather app on their phone anyway. find out these anyway. and we find out these things find out through things also find out through weather on television weather alerts on television stations, radio stations, through radio stations. really can't even stations. so i really can't even see a practical use for this at all. but it does make me wonder why the government has decided that this really a good idea, that this really is a good idea, because we weren't really talking about this a few months ago, were we? no, we weren't. ewf— ago, were we? no, we weren't. ewf r— ago, were we? no, we weren't. ewf r weer— ago, were we? no, we weren't. ewf r .— ago, were we? no, we weren't. but i mean , think— g wrziz; , no, we weren't. but i mean , think about g wttrt; , no, we weren't. but i mean , think about it, but i mean, think about it, awerew. — but i mean, think about it, andrew. .could- but i mean, think about it, andrew. could enormous andrew. it could be enormous weefwf.— andrew. it could be enormous weefwf. ref-e— andrew. it could be enormous useful. let's-we- andrew. it could be enormous useful. let's we have to useful. let's say we have to wewe— useful. let's say we have to have another— useful. let's say we have to have another lockdown . i mean, have another lockdown. i mean, freew— have another lockdown. i mean, fwew eewfw— have another lockdown. i mean, they could even— have another lockdown. i mean, they could even use , could they they could even use, could they not:— they could even use, could they wef, ewer— they could even use, could they wer, given wef— they could even use, could they not, given that they've got our ewewe — not, given that they've got our phone numbers— not, given that they've got our phone numbers now, they could even use geo locators to see if wee— even use geo locators to see if we-e eewe— even use geo locators to see if we-e eewe fee— even use geo locators to see if we'd gone too far— even use geo locators to see if we'd gone too far away from our weweee — we'd gone too far away from our weweee fee.— we'd gone too far away from our

houses. yes. well— we'd gone too far away from our houses. yes. well that is that is houses. yes. well that is that fe free— houses. yes. well that is that fe free we— houses. yes. well that is that fe free feer . — houses. yes. well that is that is the fear. they- houses. yes. well that is that is the fear . “r; t: at» houses. yes. well that is that is the fear. “r; t: r:rt:r . is the fear. they could do it for those particular purposes. i mean , i understand that when mean, i understand that when that alert comes through to your mobile phone at 3:00 on sunday afternoon , your phone is afternoon, your phone is basically disabled until you do swipe off that message . erg now, swipe off that message. erg now, could the government in future to control well, maybe not control mobile phones , but block control mobile phones, but block mobile phones for specific people because they're they think they're breaking the law in a pandemic situation? i mean , these are the things that we don't know. i don't want to go into the realms of science fiction, but i'm always wary of government mission creep, because the power because once they have the power to do something, then they seem to do something, then they seem to power to do to have the power to do something and so it goes something else. and so it goes on. so andrew, tell will you on. so andrew, tell me, will you be disabling your phone on sunday to block this message or are you happy to receive it? either receive it. what i be doing is blocking emergency messages after sunday because i actually want to see what this is like. otherwise i can't really comment on it it really comment on it on it unless i actually know what it's

like. after be like. but after that i'll be blocking it. okay. andrew afffeew— blocking it. okay. andrew allison, thank— blocking it. okay. andrew allison, thank you - t g . okay. andrew allison, thank you very much fweeee— allison, thank you very much fweeee fer— allison, thank you very much indeed for sharing with us what ef— indeed for sharing with us what ef free— indeed for sharing with us what some of the potential dangers of this some of the potential dangers of free wfewf— some of the potential dangers of free were we— some of the potential dangers of this might be for— some of the potential dangers of this might be for folks. i have to this might be for folks. i have fe eew— this might be for folks. i have fe eew fe— this might be for folks. i have re eew re wew— this might be for folks. i have to say to you, after what they ere — to say to you, after what they ere fe — to say to you, after what they ere fe we— to say to you, after what they did to us repeatedly with lockdowns _ did to us repeatedly with lockdowns ,_ did to us repeatedly with lockdowns , after the sort of lockdowns, after the sort of reefer— lockdowns, after the sort of rather hysterical— lockdowns, after the sort of rather hysterical warnings we wee— rather hysterical warnings we free wwer— rather hysterical warnings we had when there— rather hysterical warnings we had when there was a very hot eewfre— had when there was a very hot eewefe ef— had when there was a very hot eewefe ef eewe— had when there was a very hot couple of days last summer , i couple of days last summer, i effe— couple of days last summer, i can see this potentially being weee— can see this potentially being weee fw— can see this potentially being used by governments again and eeew— used by governments again and eeew ewe— used by governments again and eeew ewe eeew— used by governments again and again and again to send us weeeeeee fe— again and again to send us messages to tell us to do eweee— messages to tell us to do fwwee. ef— messages to tell us to do things. of course , yes, it'll things. of course, yes, it'll eff— things. of course, yes, it'll eff fe— things. of course, yes, it'll eff fee fer— things. of course, yes, it'll all be for our— things. of course, yes, it'll all be for our own good . as all be for our own good. as eewerwwewf— all be for our own good. as government gets bigger, it efwewe— government gets bigger, it efwewe fe— government gets bigger, it always is until— government gets bigger, it always is until somebody really ff,— always is until somebody really misuses it, like— always is until somebody really misuses it, like they misuse freer— misuses it, like they misuse fwef fewer— misuses it, like they misuse that power during lockdown . it's that power during lockdown. it's not that power during lockdown. it's wef fer— that power during lockdown. it's wef fer we— that power during lockdown. it's wef fer we fe— that power during lockdown. it's not for me to tell— that power during lockdown. it's not for me to tell you how to eweeere— not for me to tell you how to efeeffe wew— not for me to tell you how to disable your phone to stop eewfre— disable your phone to stop getting those— disable your phone to stop getting those emergency messages or getting those emergency messages er ewe— getting those emergency messages er fwe ee— getting those emergency messages er fwe fw— getting those emergency messages or this one in particular. but if or this one in particular. but ff wew— or this one in particular. but ff wew wewfee— or this one in particular. but if you wanted to— or this one in particular. but if you wanted to and if you were werrfee— if you wanted to and if you were worried about— if you wanted to and if you were worried about it,— if you wanted to and if you were worried about it, if— if you wanted to and if you were worried about it, if you did feet— worried about it, if you did feef efeweew,— worried about it, if you did feel strongly, you could always go feel strongly, you could always 90 fe— feel strongly, you could always 90 fe free— feel strongly, you could always 90 re we daily— feel strongly, you could always go to the daily mail website. awe— go to the daily mail website. and freew— go to the daily mail website. and fwew ee— go to the daily mail website. and they are taking a very, very

eweee— and they are taking a very, very efrewe wew— and they are taking a very, very efrewe ew— and they are taking a very, very strong view on this. my view, wew— strong view on this. my view, werw efwefe— strong view on this. my view, werw efwefe .— strong view on this. my view, werw efwefe . f— strong view on this. my view, very simple . i just don't trust very simple. i just don't trust fwew. — very simple. i just don't trust fwew. ff— very simple. i just don't trust fwew. ff fe— very simple. i just don't trust fwew. ff fe fw— very simple. i just don't trust them. it is by far— very simple. i just don't trust them. it is by far the safest ewfre— them. it is by far the safest fwfwe fe— them. it is by far the safest fwfwe re ee— them. it is by far the safest thing to do now— them. it is by far the safest thing to do now . they are the thing to do now. they are the werew— thing to do now. they are the welsh government really . are welsh government really. are freew— welsh government really. are fffew reeffw— welsh government really. are they really going to give child eewfww— they really going to give child asylum seekers— they really going to give child asylum seekers that crossed the fweffew — asylum seekers that crossed the english channel— asylum seekers that crossed the english channel on their 18th efweew— english channel on their 18th frfrffwfew we— english channel on their 18th frfrffwfew we re— english channel on their 18th birthday up to £1,600 a month in eewefffe— birthday up to £1,600 a month in fewefffe .— birthday up to £1,600 a month in fewefffe , efwe— birthday up to £1,600 a month in benefits , plus legal aid to benefits, plus legal aid to few— benefits, plus legal aid to fight deportation cases ? surely fight deportation cases? surely this fight deportation cases? surely ffffe eew-f— fight deportation cases? surely ffffe eew-f fe— fight deportation cases? surely this can't be true— fight deportation cases? surely this can't be true ? surely it this can't be true? surely it wwer— this can't be true? surely it wwef fe— this can't be true? surely it wwef fee free— this can't be true? surely it must be the 1st— this can't be true? surely it must be the 1st of april. it's wef— must be the 1st of april. it's wef eeeefffe— must be the 1st of april. it's not possible .— must be the 1st of april. it's not possible . nobody, not even not possible. nobody, not even the not possible. nobody, not even free werew— not possible. nobody, not even the welsh government , surely the welsh government, surely eewfw— the welsh government, surely eewfe fe— the welsh government, surely could be that— the welsh government, surely could be that mad. in a moment, i'll could be that mad. in a moment, f-ff feff— could be that mad. in a moment, f-ff feff wew— could be that mad. in a moment, f-ff feff wew .—

britain's watching join us here on gb news. the people's. cwewwef— on gb news. the people's. cwewwef se— on gb news. the people's. channel so some- on gb news. the people's. channel so some of- cite \ the people's. channel so some of your thoughts or channel so some of your thoughts er fe— channel so some of your thoughts er fe free— channel so some of your thoughts or is the campaign— channel so some of your thoughts or is the campaign for scottish eeeereffew— or is the campaign for scottish separation going— or is the campaign for scottish separation going down the tubes efewe— separation going down the tubes efewe wffw— separation going down the tubes efewe were free— separation going down the tubes along with the snp as a eeffffeef— along with the snp as a political party? stewart says if

it political party? stewart says if ff fe— political party? stewart says if ff fe ff— political party? stewart says if ff fe ff wfff— political party? stewart says if it is, it will raise— political party? stewart says if it is, it will raise its head eeew— it is, it will raise its head eeefw — it is, it will raise its head again soon. simon says that's for again soon. simon says that's fer effe— again soon. simon says that's fer we eeewe— again soon. simon says that's for the people of— again soon. simon says that's for the people of scotland to eewee— for the people of scotland to eeefee, wef— for the people of scotland to decide, not you. _ for the people of scotland to decide, not you. well, yes. sfwew— decide, not you. well, yes. sfwew we— decide, not you. well, yes. simon, we know that, but we are effewee— simon, we know that, but we are effewee fe— simon, we know that, but we are allowed to speculate. and after all, allowed to speculate. and after eff, ff— allowed to speculate. and after eff, ff feee— allowed to speculate. and after all, it does affect— allowed to speculate. and after all, it does affect us in quite all, it does affect us in quite e efe— all, it does affect us in quite e big wave— all, it does affect us in quite e big wew, fee— all, it does affect us in quite e big wew, fee .— all, it does affect us in quite a big way, too . ryan says, yes, a big way, too. ryan says, yes, free— a big way, too. ryan says, yes, we eewfre— a big way, too. ryan says, yes, we eefffwe fe— a big way, too. ryan says, yes, the polling is certainly moving in the polling is certainly moving fw wef— the polling is certainly moving in that direction.— the polling is certainly moving in that direction. i'd have to say— in that direction. i'd have to eew fw— in that direction. i'd have to say i'm thoroughly enjoying the weffeeww— say i'm thoroughly enjoying the weffeeww ef— say i'm thoroughly enjoying the meltdown of the— say i'm thoroughly enjoying the meltdown of the snp. the likely fw—efeeffew— meltdown of the snp. the likely by—election will— meltdown of the snp. the likely by—election will be interesting ewe— by—election will be interesting ewe wwef— by—election will be interesting and what ryan's— by—election will be interesting and what ryan's referring to is , fe— and what ryan's referring to is , fe e— and what ryan's referring to is , fe e fer— and what ryan's referring to is , fe e fef ef— and what ryan's referring to is , is a lot of nicola— and what ryan's referring to is , is a lot of nicola sturgeon's efeeeef— , is a lot of nicola sturgeon's closest supporters feel that her efewe— closest supporters feel that her efewe feew — closest supporters feel that her extreme team secrecy and indeed her extreme team secrecy and indeed wer fefffwe— extreme team secrecy and indeed wer fefffwe free— extreme team secrecy and indeed her telling the executive of the swe— her telling the executive of the ewe fw— her telling the executive of the ewe fw zozf— her telling the executive of the snp in 2021 that— her telling the executive of the snp in 2021 that there were no ffwewefef— snp in 2021 that there were no financial problems. a lot of her efeeeef— financial problems. a lot of her closest allies— financial problems. a lot of her closest allies are— financial problems. a lot of her closest allies are feeling that effe— closest allies are feeling that ewe wew— closest allies are feeling that ewe wew weff— closest allies are feeling that she may well have deceived them. she she may well have deceived them. sffe weewf— she may well have deceived them. sffe weewf ef— she may well have deceived them. she wasn't at holyrood over the ef free— she wasn't at holyrood over the course of the last— she wasn't at holyrood over the course of the last couple of eewe— course of the last couple of eewe ewf— course of the last couple of days, and there— course of the last couple of days, and there is considerable eeeewfeffew— days, and there is considerable speculation that— days, and there is considerable speculation that she will stand eewe— speculation that she will stand eeww ee— speculation that she will stand eeww ee e— speculation that she will stand down as a member of the scottish rerffewewf. — down as a member of the scottish parliament. we'll— down as a member of the scottish parliament. we'll see. sean says it parliament. we'll see. sean says ff wfff— parliament. we'll see. sean says ff wfff newer— parliament. we'll see. sean says it will never be— parliament. we'll see. sean says it will never be over. another

eewe— it will never be over. another viewer says we— it will never be over. another viewer says we can only hope now . fwfe— viewer says we can only hope now . ffffe fe— viewer says we can only hope now . ffffe fe frwfw— viewer says we can only hope now . this is truly extraordinary . . this is truly extraordinary. awe— . this is truly extraordinary. awe f— . this is truly extraordinary. awe f wewe— . this is truly extraordinary. and i have to— . this is truly extraordinary. and i have to say, first fffwfefer— and i have to say, first minister mark drakeford is the weef— minister mark drakeford is the most extraordinary leader of wefee. — most extraordinary leader of wefee. ewf— most extraordinary leader of wales. but this— most extraordinary leader of wales. but this proposal and it's wales. but this proposal and fee feew— wales. but this proposal and fee feeew ewf— wales. but this proposal and it's been put forward by three werew— it's been put forward by three welsh labour— it's been put forward by three welsh labour ministers, jane wwef,— welsh labour ministers, jane wwffwwffe— welsh labour ministers, jane hutt, julie morgan and mick awfweww— hutt, julie morgan and mick awfweww ewe— hutt, julie morgan and mick anthony and it— hutt, julie morgan and mick anthony and it is that child wferewfe— anthony and it is that child migrants who— anthony and it is that child migrants who arrive across the fweffew — migrants who arrive across the english channel— migrants who arrive across the english channel once they turn engliin channel once they turn 18, english channel once they turn re, freew— english channel once they turn 18, they should— english channel once they turn 18, they should be able to claim up 18, they should be able to claim we fe— 18, they should be able to claim we re efeee— 18, they should be able to claim we re afeoo e— 18, they should be able to claim up to £1,600 a month in benefits ewe— up to £1,600 a month in benefits ewe efee— up to £1,600 a month in benefits ewe efee ew— up to £1,600 a month in benefits ewe efee ew fee— up to £1,600 a month in benefits and also on top of— up to £1,600 a month in benefits and also on top of that , to get and also on top of that, to get feeef— and also on top of that, to get feeef efe— and also on top of that, to get feeef eff fe— and also on top of that, to get legal aid to fight— and also on top of that, to get legal aid to fight any potential eeeerfeffew— legal aid to fight any potential deportation cases, it seems to we— deportation cases, it seems to we fe— deportation cases, it seems to we fe ee— deportation cases, it seems to we fe fee free— deportation cases, it seems to me to be the most mad thing i've weewf— me to be the most mad thing i've weewf fw— me to be the most mad thing i've ever heard in my— me to be the most mad thing i've ever heard in my life. if it was to ever heard in my life. if it was re weeeew— ever heard in my life. if it was re happenr freew— ever heard in my life. if it was to happen, then we'd see much ffeeer— to happen, then we'd see much efeeer eeefe— to happen, then we'd see much bigger boats dropping people off in bigger boats dropping people off fw cerefff— bigger boats dropping people off fw cerefff eew— bigger boats dropping people off in cardiff bay rather than werrwfwe— in cardiff bay rather than worrying about the straits of newer.— worrying about the straits of newer. ewf— worrying about the straits of dover. but is— worrying about the straits of dover. but is it— worrying about the straits of dover. but is it really true? wee,— dover. but is it really true? well, darren— dover. but is it really true? well, darren miller is a

conservative— well, darren miller is a conservative ms from clwyd west . eewew— conservative ms from clwyd west . eewew f— conservative ms from clwyd west . darren i really— conservative ms from clwyd west . darren i really did— conservative ms from clwyd west . darren i really did wonder where— . darren i really did wonder whether this— . darren i really did wonder whether this was an april fool . whether this was an april fool. ewr— whether this was an april fool. our drakeford— whether this was an april fool. our drakeford and— whether this was an april fool. our drakeford and the gang reeffw— our drakeford and the gang really proposing to do this . really proposing to do this. weft.— really proposing to do this. weff. ee— really proposing to do this. weff. ee f— really proposing to do this. well, as i understand- really proposing to do this. well, as i understand it, yes , a well, as i understand it, yes, a letter was sent by by the welsh government to the uk government's justice minister request saying just that the ability to pay people who arrived potentially illegally on our . shores £1,600 a arrived potentially illegally on our. shores £1,600 a month. in addition to being able to get legal aid in order to fight their case against deportation , their case against deportation, it doesn't surprise me that ideas like this have come forward from the welsh government. we know that they're barmy and that they love wasting taxpayers money. mean , they taxpayers money. i mean, they spent 144 million on an m4 relief road. they then decided to axe it. they spent £250 million nationalising an airport which has been making losses to date. and of course, you know,

they've got all sorts of other fanciful schemes that they love to fritter away our money with. so it doesn't surprise me . the so it doesn't surprise me. the good news is, though, nigel, that the justice minister, as i understand it, has denied this request and put a stop on it straight away . so i'm very straight away. so i'm very pleased to hear that. and very pleased to hear that. and very pleased to hear that. and very pleased to be able to update you with that news . okay, darren, with that news. okay, darren, wewr— with that news. okay, darren, fwewa wew— with that news. okay, darren, wewr wew werw— with that news. okay, darren, thank you very much- okay, darren, thank you very much indeed. fweeee— thank you very much indeed. fweeee awe— thank you very much indeed. indeed and all— thank you very much indeed. indeed and all of this happens as we hear that— indeed and all of this happens as we hear that suella braverman is as we hear that suella braverman fe efewe— as we hear that suella braverman fe eeewf fe— as we hear that suella braverman is about to declare— as we hear that suella braverman is about to declare a national ewereewew— is about to declare a national emergency with— is about to declare a national emergency with the impact of wferewfe— emergency with the impact of migrants crossing the english eweewer— migrants crossing the english cwewwef. ewf— migrants crossing the english channel. but it's— migrants crossing the english channel. but it's not as you refer.— channel. but it's not as you refer. ff-e— channel. but it's not as you think. it's not— channel. but it's not as you think. it's not a— channel. but it's not as you think. it's not a national ewereewew— think. it's not a national emergency to- think. it's not a national emergency to stop people coming over or to deport— emergency to stop people coming over or to deport people. it's a weffewef— over or to deport people. it's a national emergency . see, national emergency. see, eefweffw— national emergency. see, actually that _ national emergency. see, actually that says she will use her actually that says she will use wer eee— actually that says she will use her powers under— actually that says she will use her powers under the local eewerwwewf— her powers under the local government act— her powers under the local government act to fill up wferewf— government act to fill up migrant camps. darren you can eweeer— migrant camps. darren you can eeeeef weew— migrant camps. darren you can eeeeef weww were— migrant camps. darren you can expect many more migrants in wefee— expect many more migrants in wales regardless— expect many more migrants in wales regardless whether they get wales regardless whether they eefre— wales regardless whether they eef re efeee— wales regardless whether they get to £1,600 or— wales regardless whether they get to £1,600 or not. i think free— get to £1,600 or not. i think free fe— get to £1,600 or not. i think free fe fe— get to £1,600 or not. i think has to be the— get to £1,600 or not. i think has to be the message national

ewereewew— has to be the message national ewereewew. se— has to be the message national emergency. so that in essex and efeewffere— emergency. so that in essex and elsewhere they— emergency. so that in essex and elsewhere they can— emergency. so that in essex and elsewhere they can use former feaf— elsewhere they can use former feaf ewe— elsewhere they can use former feaf ewe erww— elsewhere they can use former raf and army sites without any feeef— raf and army sites without any local democracy.— raf and army sites without any local democracy. what's over? freer-e— local democracy. what's over? fffef-e wwef-e— local democracy. what's over? that's what's going on now. what the that's what's going on now. what we fereee— that's what's going on now. what the farage moment— that's what's going on now. what the farage moment and this was, i the farage moment and this was, r wewe— the farage moment and this was, r wewe fe— the farage moment and this was, r wewe fe eew— the farage moment and this was, r wewe fe eew e— the farage moment and this was, i have to say a little disappointing. i woke to the ef— disappointing. i woke to the news of what— disappointing. i woke to the news of what the king and queens say news of what the king and queens eew .— news of what the king and queens eew . efewefwre— news of what the king and queens say . signature dish— news of what the king and queens say . signature dish is going to say. signature dish is going to be say. signature dish is going to fee fer— say. signature dish is going to fee fer effe— say. signature dish is going to be for the coronation. now of course, as everyone knows, in feee— course, as everyone knows, in fewee, ff— course, as everyone knows, in fewee, ff wee— course, as everyone knows, in 1953, it was coronation chicken. fee— 1953, it was coronation chicken. fee ff-e— 1953, it was coronation chicken. fee ff-e eewf— 1953, it was coronation chicken. yes it's cold chicken with that fffffe— yes it's cold chicken with that fffffe eff— yes it's cold chicken with that fffffe eff ef— yes it's cold chicken with that little bit of curry— yes it's cold chicken with that little bit of curry powder and eefee— little bit of curry powder and eefee ewe— little bit of curry powder and eefee ewe e— little bit of curry powder and spice and a perennial favourite on spice and a perennial favourite ew fwffefe— spice and a perennial favourite ew fwffefe ew— spice and a perennial favourite on buffets on lovely summer days . awe— on buffets on lovely summer days . awe wee— on buffets on lovely summer days . awe wee ewer— on buffets on lovely summer days . and yes, over 70— on buffets on lovely summer days . and yes, over 70 years on, you wew— . and yes, over 70 years on, you knew .— . and yes, over 70 years on, you knew , we— . and yes, over 70 years on, you know , we still— . and yes, over 70 years on, you know , we still like— . and yes, over 70 years on, you know , we still like coronation know, we still like coronation efewee.— know, we still like coronation ewfeaew. awf— know, we still like coronation chicken. and what does king cwerfee— chicken. and what does king charles and— chicken. and what does king charles and queen camilla eweeere— charles and queen camilla chosen? they— charles and queen camilla chosen? they chosen a quiche or fewer— chosen? they chosen a quiche or fewer e— chosen? they chosen a quiche or rather a vegetarian— chosen? they chosen a quiche or rather a vegetarian quiche in it wfff— rather a vegetarian quiche in it wfff fe— rather a vegetarian quiche in it will be broad— rather a vegetarian quiche in it will be broad beans , which i will be broad beans, which i fwewewf— will be broad beans, which i thought these— will be broad beans, which i thought these days were chiefly fed thought these days were chiefly fee fe — thought these days were chiefly fed to animals,— thought these days were chiefly fed to animals, but never mind

freew— fed to animals, but never mind weee eeewe— fed to animals, but never mind broad beans is— fed to animals, but never mind broad beans is spinach, but effere— broad beans is spinach, but were wfff— broad beans is spinach, but there will be— broad beans is spinach, but there will be just to spice it up -_ there will be just to spice it we . a— there will be just to spice it we . a fffffe— there will be just to spice it up . a little hint— there will be just to spice it up . a little hint of tarragon. up. a little hint of tarragon. fef-e— up. a little hint of tarragon. fef-e weee— up. a little hint of tarragon. let's hope these— up. a little hint of tarragon. let's hope these quiches haven't got soggy— let's hope these quiches haven't got soggy bottoms_ let's hope these quiches haven't got soggy bottoms . and it got soggy bottoms. and it efrfaee— got soggy bottoms. and it efrfaee we— got soggy bottoms. and it strikes me we're heading for the reeke— strikes me we're heading for the feeae ef— strikes me we're heading for the feeae ef ff— strikes me we're heading for the looks of it and— strikes me we're heading for the looks of it and the— strikes me we're heading for the looks of it and the feel of it ewf— looks of it and the feel of it end free— looks of it and the feel of it and the spirit— looks of it and the feel of it and the spirit of— looks of it and the feel of it and the spirit of it for the eweferffw— and the spirit of it for the austerity arnie— and the spirit of it for the austerity arnie coronation. i few-f— austerity arnie coronation. i mean, isn't this— austerity arnie coronation. i mean, isn't this the sort of weef— mean, isn't this the sort of weef ewef— mean, isn't this the sort of meal that would have been cooked in meal that would have been cooked fw werffwe— meal that would have been cooked in wartime when— meal that would have been cooked in wartime when food was very efrewe— in wartime when food was very efrewe er— in wartime when food was very efrewe er fe— in wartime when food was very short? or is it— in wartime when food was very short? or is it the— in wartime when food was very short? or is it the king sending his short? or is it the king sending fffe weeeeee— short? or is it the king sending his message about sustainability and his message about sustainability ewe eerweee— his message about sustainability ewe eerweee effe— his message about sustainability and perhaps the hint we should all and perhaps the hint we should eff ee— and perhaps the hint we should all go vegetarian— and perhaps the hint we should all go vegetarian ,_ and perhaps the hint we should all go vegetarian , at least to all go vegetarian, at least to begin— all go vegetarian, at least to eeefw wffw— all go vegetarian, at least to begin with, and— all go vegetarian, at least to begin with, and perhaps vegan fffereefferf— begin with, and perhaps vegan thereafter? i— begin with, and perhaps vegan thereafter? i have to say i do wew— thereafter? i have to say i do free— thereafter? i have to say i do view the whole— thereafter? i have to say i do view the whole thing as being reeffw— view the whole thing as being reeffw, reeffw— view the whole thing as being really, really disappointing . really, really disappointing. fef-e— really, really disappointing. fef-e weee— really, really disappointing. let's hope the— really, really disappointing. let's hope the weather on may the let's hope the weather on may we efafff — let's hope the weather on may the sixth proves— let's hope the weather on may the sixth proves to be rather eewer— the sixth proves to be rather eeffer freew— the sixth proves to be rather better than the _ the sixth proves to be rather better than the signature dish , better than the signature dish, wwef— better than the signature dish, wfffeff f— better than the signature dish, which i think— better than the signature dish, which i think is— better than the signature dish, which i think is a— better than the signature dish, which i think is a huge disappointment. which i think is a huge disappointment . and now in disappointment. and now in a wewef— disappointment. and now in a eeewef fef-e— disappointment. and now in a moment, let's talk about these erefeefe— moment, let's talk about these erefeefe. few— moment, let's talk about these protests. you know, i've been weew— protests. you know, i've been very passionate— protests. you know, i've been very passionate about what i saw at very passionate about what i saw ef-ereee— very passionate about what i saw at-grand national— very passionate about what i saw at-grand national ,- very passionate about what i saw at grand national , the at the grand national, the eeweee— at the grand national, the eeweee-wee- at the grand national, the damage was done to those damage that was done to those eereee— damage that was done to thosei horses—happened damage that was done to those. horses—happened at horses. we saw what happened at the horses. we saw what happened at free wewe— horses. we saw what happened at the world snooker— horses. we saw what happened at the world snooker championships last the world snooker championships feef weef.— the world snooker championships feer weef. awe— the world snooker championships

last night. and these groups are erewfefee— last night. and these groups are erewfefee e— last night. and these groups are erewfefee e fef— last night. and these groups are promising a lot of— last night. and these groups are promising a lot of chaos over fee— promising a lot of chaos over we — promising a lot of chaos over the summer. and— promising a lot of chaos over the summer. and it won't just be eeerffee— the summer. and it won't just be eeerffee eweeef — the summer. and it won't just be sporting events. they'll be back on sporting events. they'll be back ee fee— sporting events. they'll be back ee fee reefe— sporting events. they'll be back on the roads and— sporting events. they'll be back on the roads and tying themselves— on the roads and tying themselves to gantries and erwfee— themselves to gantries and erwfee eee— themselves to gantries and crying and saying at the end of the crying and saying at the end of fee weefe— crying and saying at the end of fee weefe fe— crying and saying at the end of the world is nigh.— crying and saying at the end of the world is nigh. but what can we we— the world is nigh. but what can we we wewef— the world is nigh. but what can we do under the— the world is nigh. but what can we do under the human rights act in we do under the human rights act fe refe— we do under the human rights act fe fefe eeweew— we do under the human rights act in this country to— we do under the human rights act in this country to actually ereweef— in this country to actually prevent these _ in this country to actually prevent these people and to remove them— prevent these people and to remove them out of harm's way? i'll remove them out of harm's way? f-ff eeeefe— remove them out of harm's way? i'll debate that— remove them out of harm's way? i'll debate that in— remove them out of harm's way? i'll debate that in just a wewewf— i'll debate that in just a eeeeeeef .—

they're all the same. this lot, i they're all the same. this lot, f erewfee— they're all the same. this lot, f erewfee wew.— they're all the same. this lot, i promise you. it— they're all the same. this lot, i promise you. it doesn't really weffer— i promise you. it doesn't really matter whether— i promise you. it doesn't really matter whether they call themselves— matter whether they call themselves extinction rebellion them selves extinction rebellion or themselves extinction rebellion errwef— themselves extinction rebellion er wwef efee— themselves extinction rebellion er wwef eree eff— themselves extinction rebellion orjust stop oil or— themselves extinction rebellion orjust stop oil or animal or just stop oil or animal efewe.— or just stop oil or animal rfefee. ff-e— or just stop oil or animal rising. it's all— or just stop oil or animal rising. it's all the same mob. yes:— rising. it's all the same mob. yes, absolutely— rising. it's all the same mob. yes, absolutely .— rising. it's all the same mob. yes, absolutely . they're yes, absolutely. they're interchangeable with each other and interchangeable with each other eee ff— interchangeable with each other end ff reeffw— interchangeable with each other and it really gets— interchangeable with each other and it really gets me down that weee— and it really gets me down that when we— and it really gets me down that when we feee— and it really gets me down that when we had all— and it really gets me down that when we had all the people efwefee— when we had all the people glueing themselves to roads and twing— glueing themselves to roads and tying themselves— glueing themselves to roads and tying themselves to gantries and

eweewee— tying themselves to gantries and fwreffee fere— tying themselves to gantries and bursting into tears, that will all bursting into tears, that will eff fe— bursting into tears, that will eff fee feee— bursting into tears, that will all be dead in— bursting into tears, that will all be dead in a— bursting into tears, that will all be dead in a fortnight. some of all be dead in a fortnight. some ef feeee— all be dead in a fortnight. some ef feeee eeeefe— all be dead in a fortnight. some of these people were arrested , of these people were arrested, fewee— of these people were arrested, fewee fe— of these people were arrested, taken to magistrates courts , but taken to magistrates courts, but the taken to magistrates courts, but free eewe— taken to magistrates courts, but we eeeefe— taken to magistrates courts, but the same people would appear 5 or the same people would appear 5 er e— the same people would appear 5 er e efwee— the same people would appear 5 er e ffwee twee— the same people would appear 5 or 6 times, just think of this fee— or 6 times, just think of this free just— or 6 times, just think of this free wwef efee— or 6 times, just think of this the just stop oil— or 6 times, just think of this the just stop oil protest at silverstone_ the just stop oil protest at silverstone racetrack last year were— silverstone racetrack last year where eff— silverstone racetrack last year where all louis— silverstone racetrack last year where all louis mckechnie and fwffw— where all louis mckechnie and emily brocklebank all dodi had tefef— emily brocklebank all dodi had tefef erewfewe— emily brocklebank all dodi had joint previous convictions for efwefee— joint previous convictions for glueing themselves to the frame of glueing themselves to the frame ef e— glueing themselves to the frame ef e efe— glueing themselves to the frame of a £70 million— glueing themselves to the frame of a £70 million van gough yet feeew— of a £70 million van gough yet feeew feew— of a £70 million van gough yet back they were _ of a £70 million van gough yet back they were at— of a £70 million van gough yet back they were at silverstone eee— back they were at silverstone eee ef— back they were at silverstone and of course— back they were at silverstone and of course you know who these eeeefe— and of course you know who these eeeefe — and of course you know who these eeeefe ow— and of course you know who these people are. oh, absolutely . people are. oh, absolutely. afffe— people are. oh, absolutely. afffe feew— people are. oh, absolutely. albie they are— people are. oh, absolutely. albie they are all white, upper wfeefe— albie they are all white, upper middle class— albie they are all white, upper middle class overprivileged eweee— middle class overprivileged rweee. wew— middle class overprivileged rweee. wew eefw— middle class overprivileged types. you only have to look at free— types. you only have to look at free eewee— types. you only have to look at free ef— types. you only have to look at the names of the— types. you only have to look at the names of the four that were in the names of the four that were fe fee— the names of the four that were fe fee eeew— the names of the four that were in the dock over— the names of the four that were in the dock over the removal of the in the dock over the removal of fee eeweew— in the dock over the removal of the edward colston_ in the dock over the removal of the edward colston statue. sage wan,— the edward colston statue. sage ryanr ffffe— the edward colston statue. sage ryanr ffffe eee— the edward colston statue. sage ryan, milo and jake. so we're feeffee— ryan, milo and jake. so we're eeeffee were— ryan, milo and jake. so we're dealing here with with a very, weew— dealing here with with a very, werw efeefw— dealing here with with a very, very highly privileged young group— very highly privileged young erewe ef— very highly privileged young group of people, most of whom i eweee— group of people, most of whom i eweee ereeeefw— group of people, most of whom i guess probably don't even need to guess probably don't even need fe weew— guess probably don't even need

fe we, ewf— guess probably don't even need to work, but they— guess probably don't even need to work, but they are causing feereeefee— to work, but they are causing increasing disruption. they did reefe— increasing disruption. they did feefr weew— increasing disruption. they did their very best— increasing disruption. they did their very best to _ increasing disruption. they did their very best to ruin my day at their very best to ruin my day ef fee— their very best to ruin my day ef fee erewf— their very best to ruin my day at the grand national didn't rwfe— at the grand national didn't wfe— at the grand national didn't .— at the grand national didn't ruin mine , but— at the grand national didn't ruin mine , but they did for some ruin mine, but they did for some of ruin mine, but they did for some ef feeee— ruin mine, but they did for some of those horses— ruin mine, but they did for some of those horses and— ruin mine, but they did for some of those horses and for some of weee— of those horses and for some of feeee teewewe— of those horses and for some of those jockeys. and _ of those horses and for some of those jockeys. and for some of weee— those jockeys. and for some of those trainers— those jockeys. and for some of those trainers and— those jockeys. and for some of those trainers and hill sixteen efee— those trainers and hill sixteen died completely— those trainers and hill sixteen died completely unnecessarily as a died completely unnecessarily as e efrew— died completely unnecessarily as a direct result— died completely unnecessarily as a direct result of— died completely unnecessarily as a direct result of their actions feee— a direct result of their actions feef efeee— a direct result of their actions we weef we— a direct result of their actions last night we were on air. they weef— last night we were on air. they weef eef— last night we were on air. they weef eee efe— last night we were on air. they went and did what they did, eferweffee— went and did what they did, disrupting the— went and did what they did, disrupting the snooker. they now erewfewe— disrupting the snooker. they now erewfefee wwef— disrupting the snooker. they now promising just stop oil and effere— promising just stop oil and efeere e— promising just stop oil and others a summer campaign to effeeffwefw— others a summer campaign to effectively stop— others a summer campaign to effectively stop all sporting eweeer— effectively stop all sporting events. goodness knows what feew-ff— events. goodness knows what feew-ff fe— events. goodness knows what feew-ff we re— events. goodness knows what they'll do to art— events. goodness knows what they'll do to art galleries or efeeweere. — they'll do to art galleries or elsewhere. and— they'll do to art galleries or elsewhere. and yes, yes , we elsewhere. and yes, yes, we feffewe— elsewhere. and yes, yes, we believe they're _ elsewhere. and yes, yes, we believe they're going to start ffeeffee— believe they're going to start ffeeffee ewr— believe they're going to start blocking our motorways all over eeefe— blocking our motorways all over eeefe .— blocking our motorways all over eeefe . wew,— blocking our motorways all over again . now, look,— blocking our motorways all over again . now, look, we just can't again. now, look, we just can't effew— again. now, look, we just can't effew we— again. now, look, we just can't allow we peaceful— again. now, look, we just can't allow we peaceful protest. of course , we all— allow we peaceful protest. of course , we all want that. and course, we all want that. and weeerefeee— course, we all want that. and understand that— course, we all want that. and understand that in a free eeefefw— understand that in a free eeefefw. ewf— understand that in a free society. but when it comes to free— society. but when it comes to free eewe— society. but when it comes to the same people— society. but when it comes to the same people repeat offending eef— the same people repeat offending over and over and— the same people repeat offending over and over and over. erg eewefee— over and over and over. erg causing inconvenience, causing ffeeeefef— causing inconvenience, causing ffeeeefef feee— causing inconvenience, causing financial loss, it— causing inconvenience, causing financial loss, it seems to me eeere-e— financial loss, it seems to me feere-e ewfre— financial loss, it seems to me there's quite a— financial loss, it seems to me there's quite a strong argument in some cases for— there's quite a strong argument in some cases for not giving

eeeefe— in some cases for not giving eeeefe eeff— in some cases for not giving people bail before their actual eewf— people bail before their actual court hearings— people bail before their actual court hearings and giving them feee— court hearings and giving them feee erfeee— court hearings and giving them long prison sentences . and we long prison sentences. and we weee— long prison sentences. and we need fe— long prison sentences. and we need to remove— long prison sentences. and we need to remove people from eeefefw— need to remove people from eeefefw wee— need to remove people from society who will— need to remove people from society who will do us great eerw. — society who will do us great eerw. ewf— society who will do us great harm. but can— society who will do us great harm. but can we actually do it wewef— harm. but can we actually do it wefer fee— harm. but can we actually do it under the law?— harm. but can we actually do it under the law? and would it be the under the law? and would it be free efeee— under the law? and would it be we rfeef refre— under the law? and would it be the right thing morally to do ? the right thing morally to do? weft— the right thing morally to do? wen, eewf— the right thing morally to do? well, paul powlesland joins me , well, paul powlesland joins me, ferrfefer— well, paul powlesland joins me, ferrfefer ef— well, paul powlesland joins me, barrister at garden— well, paul powlesland joins me, barrister at garden court . barrister at garden court. ceewfere— barrister at garden court. chambers you— barrister at garden court. chambers you can see my upset eef— chambers you can see my upset and frustration— chambers you can see my upset and frustration with this . t t“ and frustration with this. i can wew-re weeef— and frustration with this. i can see you're upset and- see you're upset and frustration. obviously, it these weffere— frustration. obviously, it these weffere ee— " obviously, it these matters are frustrating for eeeefe— matters are frustrating for eeeefe .— matters are frustrating for eeeefe . ewf— matters are frustrating for people . but we also need to bear people. but we also need to bear in people. but we also need to bear fe wfef— people. but we also need to bear fe wfef wew— people. but we also need to bear in mind why people— people. but we also need to bear in mind why people are doing weef— in mind why people are doing weef feew-re— in mind why people are doing what they're doing . and i know what they're doing. and i know you— what they're doing. and i know wew eeff— what they're doing. and i know wew eefe reef— what they're doing. and i know you said that people are crying feeewee— you said that people are crying feeewee fee— you said that people are crying because the world is going to eee— because the world is going to eef fe— because the world is going to eef fe ewe— because the world is going to end in two weeks. no one is eewfre— end in two weeks. no one is eewee-ewf— end in two weeks. no one is saying but unless they're saying that. but unless they're fefwfee— saying that. but unless they're. talking—becoming talking about the race becoming exffeef— talking about the race becoming exffeefleerrw,— talking about the race becoming extinct sorry, they're talking extinct, sorry, they're talking ewewf— extinct, sorry, they're talking efrewe—reee about the whole human race feeewfee— about the whole human race becoming extinct . some people about the whole human race becbutig extinct . some people about the whole human race bec but the xtinct . some people about the whole human race bec but the majority ome people about the whole human race bec but the majority of e people about the whole human race bec but the majority of climate; do. but the majority of climate erefeefere— do. but the majority of climate protesters are _ do. but the majority of climate protesters are saying what the eefeeffefe— protesters are saying what the scientists are _ protesters are saying what the scientists are telling us, which is scientists are telling us, which fe reef— scientists are telling us, which fe feef ewr— scientists are telling us, which is that our society— scientists are telling us, which is that our society faces its weef— is that our society faces its most serious— is that our society faces its most serious crisis, that we eewe— most serious crisis, that we have ever faced— most serious crisis, that we have ever faced . ' r: r: r: have ever faced. and how did disrupting the snooker tournament change a single opinion ? i mean, you could argue

opinion? i mean, you could argue that they're behaving is so awful that actually it switches people off to some of the arguments they might want to make. well, there's a difference fefweee— make. well, there's a difference between frwfee— make. well, there's a difference between trying to— well, there's a difference between trying to persuade eeeefe— between trying to persuade eeeefe ef— between trying to persuade eeeefe ef wewr— between trying to persuade people of your arguments about weef— people of your arguments about weef we— people of your arguments about weef we weee— people of your arguments about what we need to— people of your arguments about what we need to do about the effwefe— what we need to do about the climate crisis. _ what we need to do about the climate crisis. and i can do reef— climate crisis. and i can do feef fer— climate crisis. and i can do feef fer wew— climate crisis. and i can do that for you right here, right now versus getting attention for the now versus getting attention for fee-reef— now versus getting attention for fee-reef refe— now versus getting attention for the-that this crisis- now versus getting attention for the that this crisis is the fact that this crisis is eeeeeefee— the fact that this crisis is happening-ourl the fact that this crisis is happening-our is happening because our society is efeeewefffee— happening because our society is efeeewefwfee ef— happening because our society is sleepwalking at the moment. we are sleepwalking.— sleepwalking at the moment. we are sleepwalking. we're irrelevant. _ irrelevant. we're irrelevant. we are 1% of global are less than 1% of global carbon emissions. are. why carbon emissions. we are. why don't china and do don't they go to china and do this do they know they get this or do they know they get put for a long time? put in prison for a long time? i'm surprised that a i'm really surprised that a eefrfef— i'm really surprised that a eewer-wew- i'm really surprised that a patriot you, nigel, patriot like you, nigel, is eewfee— patriot like you, nigel, is eewfee reef— patriot like you, nigel, is saying that britain is irrelevant. - saying that britain is irrelevant. are carbon irrelevant. we are we are carbon emissions. we are irrelevant. we are better than that. we efeee— we are better than that. we ereee efeee— we are better than that. we stood alone in— we are better than that. we stood alone in 1940 when all eeeef— stood alone in 1940 when all seemed against— stood alone in 1940 when all seemed against yet we stood alone in 1940 when all seeithe against yet we stood alone in 1940 when all seeithe right�*ist yet we stood alone in 1940 when all seeithe right thing. yet we stood alone in 1940 when all seeithe right thing. we yet we stood alone in 1940 when all seeithe right thing. we always; did the right thing. we always do. did the right thing. we always we. few— did the right thing. we always we. few erew— did the right thing. we always do. you draw a— did the right thing. we always do. you draw a comparison. serrw. — do. you draw a comparison. serrw. lwew— do. you draw a comparison. sorry. .you seriously- do. you draw a comparison. i sorry. .you seriously draw a sorry. do you seriously draw a comparison? we comparison? yes. let's say we cease all economic activity. we all go vegan, we give up all the fun things in life we like. we give up our cars. we live in caves. it makes no difference

because still, 8 billion tonnes of coal is going to get burnt around the world year. around the world this year. 8 billion tonnes. firstly, we eee-f— billion tonnes. firstly, we fee-f eewe— billion tonnes. firstly, we don't have i go - billion tonnes. firstly, we don't have i go back - .. cit" .. firstly, we don't have go back to billion tonnes. firstly, we- don't have-go back to living don't have to go back to living in caves. there— don't have to go back to living in caves. there are— don't have to go back to living in caves. there are lots of technologies— in caves. there are lots of technologies already exist technologies that already exist _we eewfw- technologies that already exist ._we could have. technologies that already exist- ._we could have happy . that means we could have happy , fwfffffeef— . that means we could have happy , fulfilled, comfortable lives weffer— , fulfilled, comfortable lives whilst still— , fulfilled, comfortable lives whilst still ensuring we make the whilst still ensuring we make free eeeeerw— whilst still ensuring we make the necessary transition . but i the necessary transition. but i weef— the necessary transition. but i weef f— the necessary transition. but i weef f weef— the necessary transition. but i want i want to— the necessary transition. but i want i want to get an aeroplane. i want i want to get an aeroplane. fweef— want i want to get an aeroplane. fweef fe— want i want to get an aeroplane. fweef re ee— want i want to get an aeroplane. fweef re to re— want i want to get an aeroplane. i want to go to the— want i want to get an aeroplane. i want to go to the grand- i want to go to the grand national. i'm not prepared to tell you. what if china and india and indonesia change, i might consider it. well, as britain, who started the industrial revolution. we need to show the way . we- : t we need to show the way . we need to lead to show the way. we need to lead by to show the way. we need to lead ew example— to show the way. we need to lead ew example eef— to show the way. we need to lead by example and we— to show the way. we need to lead by example and we have we have feee— by example and we have we have eewe reef— by example and we have we have done that throughout history. for instance,— done that throughout history. for instance, one— done that throughout history. for instance, one of the big fewee— for instance, one of the big fefeee eewfee— for instance, one of the big things coming at the moment ewewf,— things coming at the moment efrewe—fee- things coming at the moment| about,_the slave, about, for instance, the slave, fee—eef - about, for instance, the slave, fee—eef fee - about, for instance, the slave, the—and the woke| the slave trade and the woke erewweef— the slave trade and the woke erewweef fe— the slave trade and the woke argument is we— the slave trade and the woke argument is we are saying eefweffw— argument is we are sayingi actually _that actually britain ended that weee— actually britain ended that free eee— actually britain ended that trade and showed the world trade and we showed the world weef— trade and we showed the world weef wee— trade and we showed the world weef fee — trade and we showed the world what was the right thing to do. awf— what was the right thing to do. and f— what was the right thing to do. and i believe— what was the right thing to do. and i believe we— what was the right thing to do. and i believe we must do the fwee— and i believe we must do the same thing over— and i believe we must do the same thing over the climate erfefe— same thing over the climate erfefe .— same thing over the climate erfefe . we— same thing over the climate crisis . we-show- same thing over the climate crisis . we show the way, crisis. we must show the way, were— crisis. we must show the way, make-transition- crisis. we must show the way, make transition and hope crisis. we must show the way, makrothers,ansition and hope crisis. we must show the way, makrothers, asrition and hope crisis. we must show the way, makrothers, as a on and hope crisis. we must show the way, makrothers, as a barrister,)pe crisis. we must show the way, makrothers, as a barrister, you that others, as a barrister, you refer— that others, as a barrister, you refer refe— that others, as a barrister, you think this behaviour is tweffffee. — think this behaviour is justified. 7' think this behaviour is justified. , think this behaviour is- justified. sorry?.a barrister justified. sorry? as a barrister , you know, as a as a man of

law, you this behaviour is law, you think this behaviour is acceptable? you legally acceptable? do you mean legally or there? isuppose acceptable? do you mean legally or there? i suppose it or morally there? i suppose it eeeeefe — or morally there? i suppose it eeeeeee. fw— or morally there? i suppose it depends. i'm asking both. efwfewefw— depends. i'm asking both. obviously much— depends. i'm asking both. obviously much of- depends. g obviously much of the behaviour is obviously much of the behaviour fe wefewfwf— obviously much of the behaviour is unlawful and— obviously much of the behaviour is unlawful and people are eewfre— is unlawful and people are eefffee fee— is unlawful and people are getting the punishments ereeerffef— getting the punishments prescribed by law for that. but do prescribed by law for that. but we r— prescribed by law for that. but we r refer— prescribed by law for that. but do i think that— prescribed by law for that. but do i think that minor disruption to do i think that minor disruption fe e— do i think that minor disruption re e eeerffee— do i think that minor disruption to a sporting event is unjust, eeew— to a sporting event is unjust, eeee er— to a sporting event is unjust, eeee er free,— to a sporting event is unjust, good or bad, when trying to fwee— good or bad, when trying to bring attention— good or bad, when trying to bring attention to the greatest erfefe— bring attention to the greatest erfefe reef— bring attention to the greatest crisis that we've— bring attention to the greatest crisis that we've ever faced? i eee-f— crisis that we've ever faced? i fee-f refer— crisis that we've ever faced? i don't think it— crisis that we've ever faced? i don't think it is— crisis that we've ever faced? i don't think it is those four eeeefe— don't think it is those four peopler ree— don't think it is those four people, the four posh kids, sage , fewee— people, the four posh kids, sage , feefew ffffe— people, the four posh kids, sage , rhian, milo and— people, the four posh kids, sage , rhian, milo and jake who tore eewe— , rhian, milo and jake who tore eewe e— , rhian, milo and jake who tore down a statue— , rhian, milo and jake who tore down a statue and— , rhian, milo and jake who tore down a statue and threw it into the down a statue and threw it into fee eeew— down a statue and threw it into fee feew .— down a statue and threw it into fee feew , eff— down a statue and threw it into the dock , did not— down a statue and threw it into the dock , did not get charged the dock, did not get charged wffe— the dock, did not get charged with criminal— the dock, did not get charged with criminal damage . tar with criminal damage. the jury effeeffwefw— with criminal damage. the jury effectively let— with criminal damage. the jury effectively let them off. no, they got charged. they didn't get convicted. _ they got charged. they didn't get convicted. didn't- they got charged. they didn't get convicted. didn't get convicted because a jury effectively them off. isn't effectively let them off. isn't that our british effectively let them off. isn't that-our british justice. that how our british justice eeerefeef— that how our british justice- operates? _wonder. i operates? we're all i wonder. i weeerf— operates? we're all i wonder. i wonder whether— operates? we're all i wonder. i wonder whether we're- operates? we're all i wonder. i wonder whether we're losing our marbles. i wonder whether we're going objective going from a genuinely objective view of what law is and what people can and can't do to a much more subjective one. well, i don't get the idea that something went wrong with that

process. you believe in the efeee— process. you believe in the rfeeflfrfef— process. you believe in the rfeeflfrfef fw— process. you believe in the right-trial by-yesl right to trial by jury? yes. i twee— right to trial by jury? yes. i we eee-f— right to trial by jury? yes. i just don't see. _ right to trial by jury? yes. i just don't see. how do you feffewe— just don't see. how do you feffewe-twrwfl believe in trial by jury? i wewff— believe in trial by jury? i would prefer— believe in trial by jury? i would prefer it to the continental- would prefer it to the continental system. would prefer it to the— continental system. but i wonder whether i wonder whether there is a generation now who view things a very different way. things in a very different way. i at point in our i mean, at any point in our previous history, these people i mean, at any point in our previ0|havertory, these people i mean, at any point in our previ0|have beenthese people i mean, at any point in our previ0|have been convicted)le i mean, at any point in our previ0|have been convicted of would have been convicted of criminal damage, which it clearly was . well, maybe not. clearly was. well, maybe not. feere-e— clearly was. well, maybe not. feere-e weew— clearly was. well, maybe not. there's many things- t ”car well, maybe not. there's many things throughout efeferw— there's many things throughout efeeew-eewfw— there's many things throughout history-could be- there's many things throughout history could be criminal history that could be criminal feweee— damage, but actually are tweffffee— damage, but actually are justified in— damage, but actually are justified in in— damage, but actually are justified in in a more political awf— justified in in a more political awe f— justified in in a more political sense. and i mean, to be honest, fw— sense. and i mean, to be honest, f-w eef— sense. and i mean, to be honest, f-w eef f— sense. and i mean, to be honest, f-w eef f weew— sense. and i mean, to be honest, i'm not i mean, look,— sense. and i mean, to be honest, i'm not i mean, look, i'm not reeffw— i'm not i mean, look, i'm not reeffw were— i'm not i mean, look, i'm not really here to— i'm not i mean, look, i'm not really here to argue the colston efefwe— really here to argue the colston statue because. _ really here to argue the colston statue because. \rrtr statue because. no, no, no, no, no. but we're talking about the morality of this and we're talking about where we're going with this. and very with this. and it's very interesting. _ with this. and it's very interesting. you- and it's very interesting. you know, you're eewefeew— interesting. you know, you're somebody-legal- somebody in the legal profession,— somebody in the legal profession, know, who somebody in the legal- profession,-know, who kind profession, you know, who kind of profession, you know, who kind ef refere— profession, you know, who kind of thinks that— profession, you know, who kind of thinks that this— profession, you know, who kind of thinks that this disruptive feeewfewr— of thinks that this disruptive. behaviour—cause behaviour has has a good cause fewee— behaviour has has a good cause fewee-fewe— behaviour has has a good cause behind-have seen- behaviour has has a good causei behind-have seen many, behind it. we have seen many, numerous throughout behind it. we have seen many, numerofrom throughout behind it. we have seen many, numerofrom suffragettesfout behind it. we have seen many, numerofrom suffragettes tot history from the suffragettes to anti—apartheid to anti—apartheid campaigns to ganths anti—apartheid campaigns to gandhi's non—violent civil disobedience india where disobedience in india where people the law. but we now people broke the law. but we now accept with the judgement of history what did was history that what they did was justified because of the

campaign. asked. they campaign. they were asked. they were they were calling for. and i fundamental i really fundamental believe that the clear judgement of history relation the history in relation to the climate crisis that these climate crisis is that these peaceful but sometimes disruptive actions will be seen as justified. and if it's the same person offending over and over and over, don't we have the right for them to put in right for them to be put in prison so rest of us don't prison so the rest of us don't get disrupted by the same people again well, that's again and again? well, if that's weef— again and again? well, if that's weef-few— again and again? well, if that's weef-few eewe— again and again? well, if that's what-law says, then- tgt .. rtft�*r: tgt 7 well, if that's what law says, then that's what the law says, then that's weef— what the law says, then that's weef-weef— what the law says, then that's what-what will- what the law says, then that's what what will happen. what that's what will happen. awf— what that's what will happen. and eeeefe— what that's what will happen. and eeeefe er— what that's what will happen. and people are being- what that's what will happen. and people are being put- what that's what will happen. and people are being put in prison. but ultimately, as a society, taken decision society, we've taken a decision that do peaceful and that those who do peaceful and non—violent, but sometimes disruptive should disruptive activities should not be harshly because be treated too harshly because we've good social we've seen the good social outcomes that have happened from people done same people who've done the same thing throughout we thing throughout history. and we think actually, okay, people broke law to form trade broke the law to form trade unions. good thing. unions. that was a good thing. people the law get get people broke the law to get get it. it. there can be times it. i get it. there can be times eef— it. i get it. there can be times eee f— it. i get it. there can be times eee f eef— it. i get it. there can be times eee f eef ff.— it. i get it. there can be times eee f eef f. f— c i get it. there can be times and i get it. i understand it fwffw— and i get it. i understand it fwffw. f— and i get it. i understand it fwffw. f eef— and i get it. i understand it fwffw. f eef ff.— and i get it. i understand it fully. i get it. i— and i get it. i understand it fully. i get it. ijust and i get it. i understand it fully. i get it. i just think in refe— fully. i get it. i just think in fefe eeee— fully. i get it. i just think in this case, there's- fully. i get it. i just think in this case, there's rather rich eweee— this case, there's rather rich eweew ef— this case, there's rather rich bunch of kids— this case, there's rather rich bunch of kids is— this case, there's rather rich bunch of kids is perhaps are not going— bunch of kids is perhaps are not eefee fe— bunch of kids is perhaps are not eefee re fe— bunch of kids is perhaps are not eefee re fee free— bunch of kids is perhaps are not going to be the saviours of eewftfee— going to be the saviours of eewftfee-f- going to be the saviours of anything.-i like anything. and what i don't like is anything. and what i don't like fe eeere— anything. and what i don't like is there intolerance there, fefefereeee — is there intolerance there,

intolerance towards us and fewerfe— intolerance towards us and fewerfe-we- intolerance towards us and towards we want to towards the lives we want to feed. — towards the lives we want to feed. leew— towards the lives we want to lead. inow feel— towards the lives we want to lead. now feel their lead. i now feel their intolerance - lead. i now feel their intolerance by our intolerance should be met by our fefefereeee— intolerance should be met by our intolerance. well— intolerance should be met by our intolerance. well firstly, i twee— intolerance. well firstly, i twefweef— intolerance. well firstly, i twefweeffe— intolerance. well firstly, i just want to take you up on the feewe— just want to take you up on the ef— just want to take you up on the ef refe— just want to take you up on the issue of this kind— just want to take you up on the issue of this kind of everyone eefre— issue of this kind of everyone eefre-a— issue of this kind of everyone eefre-a fef- issue of this kind of everyone being-a lot of- issue of this kind of everyone being-a lot of the. issue of this kind of everyone- being-a lot of the climate being posh. a lot of the climate activists are not. activists i've met are not. does some go to minor public eeeeefef — does some go to minor public schools? well,— does some go to minor public schools? well, for- does some go to minor public schools? t schools? well, for instance, there was a there was an insulate britain man who actually who got who got who got you know what i mean. i know. you know what i— you know what i mean. i know. you know what i mean. - iknow. you know what i mean. the feewfefe— you know what i mean. the insulate-was- you know what i mean. the insulate-was an- you know what i mean. the insulate was an insulate insulate britain was an insulate britain protester who got absolutely on tv absolutely stuffed on live tv because working class because he was a working class bloke wasn't used being bloke who wasn't used to being on got ripped apart. on tv and he got ripped apart. i have met many ordinary people who actually saying that the who actually are saying that the real here is those fossil real elite here is those fossil fuel executives are making fuel executives who are making huge money by huge sums of money by deliberately pursuing a course huge sums of money by de action sly pursuing a course huge sums of money by de action that ursuing a course huge sums of money by de action that is;uing a course huge sums of money by de action that is goingi course huge sums of money by de action that is going to>urse huge sums of money by de action that is going to be ;e of action that is going to be harmful country and its harmful to this country and its people. i the point. i people. i repeat the point. i eee-f— people. i repeat the point. i fee-f refer— people. i repeat the point. i don't think we— people. i repeat the point. i don't think we can- i repeat the point. i don't think we can give china a feee— don't think we can give china a feed ee— don't think we can give china a feed ee refe— don't think we can give china a lead on this, but— don't think we can give china a lead on this, but thank you for eewfre— lead on this, but thank you for eewfee fe— lead on this, but thank you for eewfee fe eef— lead on this, but thank you for coming in and having good coming in and having a good weffere— coming in and having a good debate—moral. debate on legal and moral erewefe— debate on legal and moral grounds. now,— debate on legal and moral grounds. now, before we go, a eewefe— grounds. now, before we go, a eewefe ef— grounds. now, before we go, a couple of quick— grounds. now, before we go, a couple of quick farage the referee— couple of quick farage the fereeelfee— couple of quick farage the faragelthe first- couple of quick farage the farage the first one up is farage is the first one up is sfeeeee— farage is the first one up is sfeeeee-e- farage is the first one up is stephen a question farage is the first one up is- stephen-a question for stephen who has a question for —sfewe- stephen who has a question for me._steve bush. stephen who has a question fori me._steve bush and me. my name is steve bush and

i'd me. my name is steve bush and fef-fe— me. my name is steve bush and fef-re eef— me. my name is steve bush and fef-re eew wew— me. my name is steve bush and i'd-to ask you, how- me. my name is steve bush and i'd to ask you, how do you i'd like to ask you, how do you refer— i'd like to ask you, how do you refer erewf— i'd like to ask you, how do you think brexit is— i'd like to ask you, how do you think brexit is going? �*thr i'd like to ask you, how do you think brexit is going? thr think brexit is going? do you fwee— think brexit is going? do you fewe-feee— think brexit is going? do you think-been a— think brexit is going? do you think been a positive think it's been a positive experience so far for united experience so far for the united kingdom ? i think that brexit has kingdom? i think that brexit has feee— kingdom? i think that brexit has feeew e— kingdom? i think that brexit has feeew e weew— kingdom? i think that brexit has been e werw good— 3:7 i think that brexit has been a very good thing for the eeweew— been a very good thing for the eewefrw ee— been a very good thing for the eewerrw ee fee— been a very good thing for the country on the world stage. i refer— country on the world stage. i refer efeee— country on the world stage. i think other countries are feeffee— think other countries are feeffee ef— think other countries are looking at us— think other countries are looking at us in a rather ffffereef— looking at us in a rather different way— looking at us in a rather different way because of brexit eee— different way because of brexit eee ff-e— different way because of brexit and it's enabled— different way because of brexit and it's enabled us to do the arms— and it's enabled us to do the awfws weef.— and it's enabled us to do the aukus deal. we're on the verge of aukus deal. we're on the verge ef eefre— aukus deal. we're on the verge ef fefee e— aukus deal. we're on the verge of doing a deal— aukus deal. we're on the verge of doing a deal with a group of reefffe— of doing a deal with a group of pacific countries— of doing a deal with a group of pacific countries that, provided it's pacific countries that, provided ff-e eef— pacific countries that, provided ff-e eef fee— pacific countries that, provided it's not too political, could be a it's not too political, could be e-eeef— it's not too political, could be e-eeee fwee— it's not too political, could be a-good thing on- it's not too political, could be a good thing on the world a very good thing on the world ereee.— a very good thing on the world ereee. were— a very good thing on the world stage. we're standing much feffer— stage. we're standing much taller.-argue- stage. we're standing much. taller.-argue ukraine taller. you could argue ukraine as taller. you could argue ukraine ee-feew— taller. you could argue ukraine ee-feef e— taller. you could argue ukrainei as-took a-bigger as well. we took a much bigger feee— as well. we took a much bigger feee ee— as well. we took a much bigger feee ee-feee- as well. we took a much bigger lead on _than we - as well. we took a much bigger lead on than we would lead on ukraine than we would eewe— lead on ukraine than we would have-internally.- lead on ukraine than we would have internally. oh, i'm have done internally. oh, i'm ereffw— have done internally. oh, i'm efeeew-ewewf- have done internally. oh, i'm pretty - about the - have done internally. oh, i'm pretty about the lack of pretty angry about the lack of feffwerw— pretty angry about the lack of eeffwerw ew— pretty angry about the lack of eeffwerw few we— pretty angry about the lack of delivery by the conservative eewereweef— delivery by the conservative government many things government on so many things reef— government on so many things feef eewfw— government on so many things that could have— government on so many things that could have _tol that could have been done to wefe— that could have been done to eefe-fffffe— that could have been done to help-little-and- that could have been done to help little and the help the little man and the fffffe— help the little man and the little _that- help the little man and the little that haven't a lot little woman that haven't a lot weee—w- little woman that haven't a lot more _ no question i more work to do. no question efrewe— more work to do. no question efewf reef— more work to do. no question efewf feef .— more work to do. no question about that . and— more work to do. no question about that . and debbie has got about that. and debbie has got a ferreee. — about that. and debbie has got a ferreee. fee— about that. and debbie has got a barrage. the farage for me as weff— barrage. the farage for me as weff. — barrage. the farage for me as weff. ffw— barrage. the farage for me as well. my name— barrage. the farage for me as well. my name is- barrage. the farage for me as well . the i rt; barrage. the farage for me as well. i rtft�*r: barrage. the farage for me as- well. my name is debbie and my question is for nigel is what brand of cigarettes do you smoke and what's your favourite pint?

hard answer question. debbie i can't answer questions- rttr: : debbie i can't answer questions about weefe— can't answer questions about weefe ef— can't answer questions about brands of cigarettes that i ewefe— brands of cigarettes that i smoke because- brands of cigarettes that i smoke because i can't really recommend smoking to anybody . recommend smoking to anybody. fwee— recommend smoking to anybody. fwee eeewere— recommend smoking to anybody. fwee feewee f— recommend smoking to anybody. even though i have to confess, i do even though i have to confess, i we effff— even though i have to confess, i we erfff eer-ew— even though i have to confess, i do still enjoy it— even though i have to confess, i do still enjoy it and probably f-w — do still enjoy it and probably f-w weew— do still enjoy it and probably i'm very unlikely to change. afee— i'm very unlikely to change. afee, f— i'm very unlikely to change. also, i wouldn't— i'm very unlikely to change. also, i wouldn't be able to do it also, i wouldn't be able to do ff weffer— also, i wouldn't be able to do ff wefer fee— also, i wouldn't be able to do it under the rules— also, i wouldn't be able to do it under the rules of advertising- it under the rules of advertising thing, but i think were— advertising thing, but i think were ee— advertising thing, but i think there are some— advertising thing, but i think there are some things in life ffwe— there are some things in life like alcohol— there are some things in life like alcohol ,_ there are some things in life like alcohol, which i think in eweff— like alcohol, which i think in small measures— like alcohol, which i think in small measures probably quite eeew— small measures probably quite eeee fer— small measures probably quite eeee fer wew. — small measures probably quite good for you. i'm— small measures probably quite good for you. i'm not sure any fefeeee— good for you. i'm not sure any feeeeee fe— good for you. i'm not sure any tobacco is really— good for you. i'm not sure any tobacco is really very good for you,— tobacco is really very good for wew-ewre— tobacco is really very good for you,-sure jacob- tobacco is really very good for you, sure jacob rees—mogg you, i'm sure jacob rees—mogg wewff— you, i'm sure jacob rees—mogg wewwf-feeew— you, i'm sure jacob rees—mogg would-jacob, what- you, i'm sure jacob rees—mogg would jacob, what are we would agree. jacob, what are we eefre— would agree. jacob, what are we fefee refe— would agree. jacob, what are we doing this evening? �*tffrtt�*rtfc ttrt; would agree. jacob, what are we doing this evening? �*trrfrttt tttrt; doing this evening? what are we eefre— doing this evening? what are we doing this evening? what are we doing this evening? what are we doing this evening? well, we're going with going to be starting with language erg how important language erg and how important it we don't allow the it is that we don't allow the left to take over language left just to take over language and tell us to think. and then tell us what to think. and beacons. part and the brecon beacons. is part of this the sort of sheer madness not calling it a madness of not calling it a beacon? that you beacon? because that makes you think climate change. there's think of climate change. there's climate change fanaticism, which you've climate change fanaticism, which you' problem because once you real problem because once you change language, you allow them to argument. and then to win the argument. and then for we're going to for a bit of fun, we're going to be talking about quiche the be talking about quiche at the end sitwell, the end with william sitwell, the

very writer. he'll very good food writer. he'll be good , who, yes, strong views good, who, yes, has strong views on the advisability of eating quiche. less keen broad on the advisability of eating quichein less keen broad on the advisability of eating quichein quiche keen broad on the advisability of eating quichein quiche . it's broad on the advisability of eating quichein quiche . it's dire.i beans in quiche. it's dire. let's go beans in quiche. it's dire. fef-e ee fe— beans in quiche. it's dire. let's go to the— ,. r: rt it's dire. let's go to the weather . it's let's go to the weather. it's eff— let's go to the weather. it's eff fee— let's go to the weather. it's all too much _ let's go to the weather. it's all too much evening. i'm alex eeewe— all too much evening. i'm alex weeffe eee— all too much evening. i'm alex deakin and this— all too much evening. i'm alex deakin and this is— all too much evening. i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weefeer— deakin and this is your latest weather update— deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met efffee. — weather update from the met efffee. a— weather update from the met office. a fine— weather update from the met office. a fine day- weather update from the met office. , �*" r:tt weather update from the met office. , �*" r:ct office. a fine day for many tomorrow. sunny spells, a few showers are possible in south—west england and there will again a brisk eastern will again be a brisk eastern wind by this chunky wind generated by this chunky area of high pressure sitting over scandinave here, keeping things mostly dry , but also things mostly dry, but also feeding easterly winds from feeding in easterly winds from the north sea. hence why it's felt pretty chilly in scarborough . well, it's also scarborough. well, it's also been pretty balmy in northwest scotland. that easterly wind continues to bring in some cloud over parts of northern england, wales and a few showers through the night across southernmost counties of england. hit counties of england. very hit and most places stay and miss. most places will stay dry. well, we've got the clearer skies, chilly one skies, a bit of a chilly one across scotland. pockets of frost in rural frost are possible in rural spots , but that easterly breeze spots, but that easterly breeze generally temperatures generally keeping temperatures in and cities between in towns and cities between 3 and 6 degrees. we start tomorrow

then with a lot of cloud in southwest england, a few scattered might even see scattered showers might even see the heavy one here and the odd heavy one here and there. they tend to ease there. but they tend to ease away at times away quite cloudy at times through midlands. through wales and the midlands. the shower is possible, but the odd shower is possible, but most places and bright. some most places dry and bright. some good spells of sunshine for scotland. northern ireland, northern eastern northern england and eastern england again, western half england. again, the western half of 18 to 19 degrees. of scotland 18 to 19 degrees. whereas that east coast will struggle to get much above 11 or 12. quite chilly feel with 12. so quite a chilly feel with that which continues that wind which continues to blow cloud away out west as blow the cloud away out west as we go through wednesday night and into thursday. again a bit of a start on thursday. of a chilly start on thursday. some frost there some hints of frost there through some sheltered glens across scotland. but generally it's another fine day with plenty of spring sunshine on thursday, again , we'll have that thursday, again, we'll have that east west contrast with that easterly wind keeping things fresh on the easternmost coast. maybe some ha around the coast of north—east scotland, but western seeing sunshine western scotland seeing sunshine not as warm here, but not quite as warm here, but still at 16 17, generally 13 still at 16 or 17, generally 13 or 14. notice cloud is approaching the south—east.

however, that's from this weather front, which will bring more cloud as we go towards friday and some outbreaks of rain and also bring a cold feel for much of england and wales.

good good evening. i'm tatiana sanchez in the gb newsroom the snp treasurer has been released without charge pending further investigation after he was arrested by police investigating the party's finances. colin beattie is the second person to have been questioned by detectives who are trying to establish how more than £600,000 in donations set aside for an independence referendum had been used earlier this month . the used earlier this month. the scottish national party's former chief executive and husband of former first minister nicola sturgeon , peter murrell, was sturgeon, peter murrell, was questioned for more than 11 hours and also released without

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