i'm asking, should there be a single mile of motorway in this country that does not have a hard shoulder .7 i think hard shoulder? i think absolutely not. 69% of motorists apparently agree with me. are you one of them? and if not, how do you think it's safe to be on a motorway without one? your thoughts on that? and i've realised everyone i'm in the wrong job. i think i need to packit wrong job. i think i need to pack it all in and go and lead a council because it's been revealed the eye—watering revealed today the eye—watering sums of money that are up for

grabs. if you do such a job. i wouldn't mind though our council tax up the service we tax is going up the service we received, though, seems to be going down. is it time to cap these leaders pay or do you need to pay big money for big brains? your thoughts on that and do you have a pet dog it it bit your child , would you keep it? a mum child, would you keep it? a mum has defied people by doing exactly that. would you ever keep your dog in the same home as a child wants it? bitten it. ooh, that i think will divide opinions and people like just stop oil. one of my panels says that they should be designated covid basically domestic terrorists. the other says domestic heroes is what they are . what says you? we'll get into it all tonight. but before we do so, let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest headunes speed with tonight's latest headlines with the legend that is middlehurst. michelle, is polly middlehurst. michelle, thank you. good—

is polly middlehurst. michelle, thank you. good evening- 3: michelle, thank you. good evening to you. our— thank you. good evening to you. our top— thank you. good evening to you. our top story— thank you. good evening to you. our top story today— thank you. good evening to you. our top story today on gb news ms.— our top story today on gb news msp coun— our top story today on gb news msp colin beattie_ our top story today on gb news msp colin beattie has resigned as the— msp colin beattie has resigned as the sw— msp colin beattie has resigned as the snp treasurer and from hotyroods— as the snp treasurer and from holyroods public— as the snp treasurer and from holyroods public audit committee unm— holyroods public audit committee until a— holyroods public audit committee until a pence— holyroods public audit committee until a police investigation is concluded.— until a police investigation is concluded. he— until a police investigation is concluded. he says it comes after— concluded. he says it comes after he— concluded. he says it comes after as was— concluded. he says it comes after he was arrested in saaassaaa— after he was arrested in connection with the police investigation _ connection with the police investigation into the party's nnans— investigation into the party's nnanss na— investigation into the party's finances. mr beattie is the second— finances. mr beattie is the second person— finances. mr beattie is the second person to have been questionna— second person to have been aassnansa ny— second person to have been questioned by detectives who are anna— questioned by detectives who are saying no— questioned by detectives who are trying to establish— questioned by detectives who are trying to establish how more anan— trying to establish how more than £600,000— trying to establish how more than £600,000 given in donations and sea— than £600,000 given in donations and sea assas— than £600,000 given in donations and set aside for— than £600,000 given in donations and set aside for an— than £600,000 given in donations and set aside for an independent referendum— and set aside for an independent referendum has— and set aside for an independent referendum has been used up . referendum has been used up. nasa— referendum has been used up. first minister— referendum has been used up. first minister of— referendum has been used up. first minister of scotland, nanza— first minister of scotland, humza yousaf_ first minister of scotland, humza yousaf has tweeted, fanning— humza yousaf has tweeted, following the _ humza yousaf has tweeted, following the resignation announcement, offering his ananks— announcement, offering his ananns ana— announcement, offering his thanks and adding that the decision— thanks and adding that the decision has— thanks and adding that the decision has come in the best interests— decision has come in the best interests en— decision has come in the best interests of the _ decision has come in the best interests of the party. in other tenan— interests of the party. in other news today, the— interests of the party. in other news today, the prime minister is news today, the prime minister as urging— news today, the prime minister is urging unionists in northern neaana— is urging unionists in northern neaana ne— is urging unionists in northern ireland to return— is urging unionists in northern ireland to return to stormont, saying— ireland to return to stormont, saying restoring— ireland to return to stormont, saying restoring devolved institutions— saying restoring devolved institutions is— saying restoring devolved institutions is the best way seaward.— institutions is the best way forward. rishi_ institutions is the best way forward. rishi sunak was speaking— forward. rishi sunak was speaking alongside other world leaders— speaking alongside other world leaders in— speaking alongside other world leaders in belfast to mark 25

yeas— leaders in belfast to mark 25 years snee— leaders in belfast to mark 25 years since the— leaders in belfast to mark 25 years since the signing of the ease— years since the signing of the ease friday— years since the signing of the good friday agreement. former us president— good friday agreement. former us president nau— good friday agreement. former us president bill clinton is repenea— president bill clinton is renenea ne— president bill clinton is reported to have said it's time to gen— reported to have said it's time to gen ans— reported to have said it's time to get this show— reported to have said it's time to get this show on the road. mr sunak— to get this show on the road. mr sanak asse— to get this show on the road. mr sunak also praised— to get this show on the road. mr sunak also praised the courage of nose— sunak also praised the courage of those involved _ sunak also praised the courage of those involved as more powerful— of those involved as more powerful than _ of those involved as more powerful than £1,000 bombs or nauens— powerful than £1,000 bombs or nauens ana— powerful than £1,000 bombs or bullets and said— powerful than £1,000 bombs or bullets and said citizens today sneaaa— bullets and said citizens today sneaaa aspire— bullets and said citizens today should aspire to— bullets and said citizens today should aspire to nothing less . should aspire to nothing less. we need— should aspire to nothing less. we need an— should aspire to nothing less. we need to create— should aspire to nothing less. we need to create a- should aspire to nothing less. we need to create a more stable, devolved government in northern ireland and that means getting the institutions up and running the institutions up and running the belfast good friday agreement left us an extraordinary and precious legacy . when we look back in 25 legacy. when we look back in 25 years from now . surely we should years from now. surely we should aspire for our legacy to be nothing less than this. that the institutions have been up and running for every single year. rishi sunak now a home office tanner,— rishi sunak now a home office lawyer, nas— rishi sunak now a home office lawyer, has said— rishi sunak now a home office lawyer, has said the government is lawyer, has said the government as esnnanne— lawyer, has said the government is estimating and— lawyer, has said the government is estimating and preparing . for is estimating and preparing. for senes— is estimating and preparing. for seeoo people— is estimating and preparing. for 56,000 people to— is estimating and preparing. for 56,000 people to arrive in the uk 56,000 people to arrive in the an an— 56,000 people to arrive in the an by small— 56,000 people to arrive in the uk by small boats this year.

nnan-s— uk by small boats this year. nnan-s an— uk by small boats this year. that's up from _ uk by small boats this year. that's up from nearly 46,000in zon— that's up from nearly 46,000in zon- ane— that's up from nearly 46,000in 2022. the home— that's up from nearly 46,000in 2022. the home office is currently— 2022. the home office is currently accommodating 109,000 asylum— currently accommodating 109,000 asyran seeenrs— currently accommodating 109,000 asylum seekers ,_ currently accommodating 109,000 asylum seekers , 48,000 of those asylum seekers, 48,000 of those in nerers— asylum seekers, 48,000 of those in nerers ar— asylum seekers, 48,000 of those in nerers ar a— asylum seekers, 48,000 of those in hotels at a daily— asylum seekers, 48,000 of those in hotels at a daily cost of £6.2— in hotels at a daily cost of £6.2 million.— in hotels at a daily cost of £6.2 million. if— in hotels at a daily cost of £6.2 million. if the estimate is accurate, that— £6.2 million. if the estimate is accurate, that will— £6.2 million. if the estimate is accurate, that will take the era— accurate, that will take the total number— accurate, that will take the total number of— accurate, that will take the total number of migrants sappenea— total number of migrants sannenea ny— total number of migrants supported by the taxpayer to . supported by the taxpayer to. nerneen— supported by the taxpayer to. nerneen no— supported by the taxpayer to. between 120 and— supported by the taxpayer to. between 120 and 140,000. the seerrrsn— between 120 and 140,000. the scottish government has said it nas— scottish government has said it nas ne— scottish government has said it nas ne enrren— scottish government has said it has no option but— scottish government has said it has no option but to take legal aerren— has no option but to take legal action against— has no option but to take legal action against uk— has no option but to take legal action against uk ministers breaking— action against uk ministers blocking their— action against uk ministers blocking their gender recognition- blocking their gender recognition bill. the legislation- recognition bill. the legislation aims to make it rer— legislation aims to make it easier for people in scotland to enanee— easier for people in scotland to enanee rnerr— easier for people in scotland to change their legally recognised gender— change their legally recognised gender rans— change their legally recognised gender laws. westminster has enaueneea— gender laws. westminster has challenged msps , voted in challenged msps, voted in december— challenged msps, voted in december last— challenged msps, voted in december last year to pass the controversial— december last year to pass the controversial gender recognition bill controversial gender recognition nru ny— controversial gender recognition am by se— controversial gender recognition bill by 86 votes— controversial gender recognition bill by 86 votes to— controversial gender recognition bill by 86 votes to 39 . an bill by 86 votes to 39. an rnaaesr— bill by 86 votes to 39. an rnaaesr nas— bill by 86 votes to 39. an inquest has ruled the death of a nearer— inquest has ruled the death of a nearer arrer— inquest has ruled the death of a doctor after his— inquest has ruled the death of a doctor after his astrazeneca corro— doctor after his astrazeneca covrn ran — doctor after his astrazeneca covm jab was— doctor after his astrazeneca covid jab was due to unintended

renaea— covid jab was due to unintended tended complications of the . a— tended complications of the vaccine . a 32— tended complications of the vaccine . a 32 year old steven vaccine. a 32 year old steven wnenr— vaccine. a 32 year old steven wngnr nas— vaccine. a 32 year old steven wngnr an— vaccine. a 32 year old steven wright was an nhs psychologist in searn—easr— wright was an nhs psychologist in south—east london. he died fren— in south—east london. he died from a— in south—east london. he died from a breed— in south—east london. he died from a blood clot— in south—east london. he died from a blood clot to the brain. ren— from a blood clot to the brain. ren days— from a blood clot to the brain. ten days after— from a blood clot to the brain. ten days after his— from a blood clot to the brain. ten days after his first dose of ne— ten days after his first dose of rne raeerne— ten days after his first dose of the vaccine in— ten days after his first dose of the vaccine in january 2021. a coroner , andrew— the vaccine in january 2021. a coroner , andrew harris, coroner, andrew harris, aesennea— coroner, andrew harris, described it— coroner, andrew harris, described it as a very unusual ana— described it as a very unusual and aeepry— described it as a very unusual and deeply tragic— described it as a very unusual and deeply tragic . case labour and deeply tragic. case labour is accusing— and deeply tragic. case labour is accusing the— and deeply tragic. case labour is accusing the government of denying— is accusing the government of aenyrng r-asnee— is accusing the government of denying justice to victims of ne— denying justice to victims of the infected— denying justice to victims of the infected blood scandal . the infected blood scandal. nerneen— the infected blood scandal. between 1970 _ the infected blood scandal. between 1970 and 1991. thousands of between 1970 and 1991. thousands er neopre— between 1970 and 1991. thousands er people wee— between 1970 and 1991. thousands of people were infected with hiv and nenarrrrs— of people were infected with hiv and hepatitis after— of people were infected with hiv and hepatitis after being given contaminated— and hepatitis after being given contaminated blood products . us. contaminated blood products. us. in contaminated blood products. us. rn an— contaminated blood products. us. rn an rnrenn— contaminated blood products. us. in an interim report— contaminated blood products. us. in an interim report , the chair in an interim report, the chair of ne— in an interim report, the chair or rne rnawrrw— in an interim report, the chair of the inquiry, sir— in an interim report, the chair of the inquiry, sir brian rangsrarn— of the inquiry, sir brian langstaff, recommended that repararrens— langstaff, recommended that reparations should be extended to reparations should be extended re newne— reparations should be extended to include bereaved parents and enrraren— to include bereaved parents and enrraren .— to include bereaved parents and children . then— to include bereaved parents and children . then cabinet office children. then cabinet office nrnrsrer— children. then cabinet office minister jeremy— children. then cabinet office minister jeremy quin told the commons— minister jeremy quin told the commons ane— minister jeremy quin told the commons the government is considering— commons the government is considering the— commons the government is considering the recommendation . considering the recommendation. but considering the recommendation. ear wenara— considering the recommendation. but richard warwick, a victim of the but richard warwick, a victim of we seawar— but richard warwick, a victim of the scandal, told— but richard warwick, a victim of the scandal, told gb news earner— the scandal, told gb news earner ne— the scandal, told gb news earlier he was— the scandal, told gb news earlier he was expecting more

fren— earlier he was expecting more from ane— earlier he was expecting more from the government statement. but from the government statement. an we— from the government statement. an we endea— from the government statement. an we ended up— from the government statement. but we ended up with a 30 35 minare— but we ended up with a 30 35 minute statement of which three awaners— minute statement of which three awaners er— minute statement of which three quarters of which— minute statement of which three quarters of which was just fluen— quarters of which was just filled with— quarters of which was just filled with platitudes about how wenaenwr— filled with platitudes about how wonderful the _ filled with platitudes about how wonderful the government had been— wonderful the government had been panne— wonderful the government had been patting themselves on the bask— been patting themselves on the back rer— been patting themselves on the back for ane— been patting themselves on the back for the interim payment fren— back for the interim payment from kasr— back for the interim payment from last year— back for the interim payment from last year for victims and sensesn— from last year for victims and sennses er— from last year for victims and spouses of the— from last year for victims and spouses of the deceased . c spouses of the deceased. it was just— spouses of the deceased. it was just re— spouses of the deceased. it was just in wa— spouses of the deceased. it was just re just— spouses of the deceased. it was just it was just everything that we didn't want to hear that again, they're just kicking the can down the road as the victims are continuing to die . sir are continuing to die. sir robert buckland- are continuing to die. sir robert buckland has- robert buckland has urged just see— robert buckland has urged just see on— robert buckland has urged just stop oil protesters orders not to stop oil protesters orders not re arsrnnr— stop oil protesters orders not to disrupt the— stop oil protesters orders not to disrupt the upcoming london wararnen.— to disrupt the upcoming london wararnen. n— to disrupt the upcoming london marathon. it comes after members of marathon. it comes after members er ane— marathon. it comes after members er rne group— marathon. it comes after members of the group interrupted play at the of the group interrupted play at we were— of the group interrupted play at the world snooker championship in snerneka— the world snooker championship in sheffield this— the world snooker championship in sheffield this week by spreaerng— in sheffield this week by spreading orange powder across er— spreading orange powder across er ene— spreading orange powder across one of the tables— spreading orange powder across one of the tables in play and eekawng— one of the tables in play and eekawng ane— one of the tables in play and delaying the start of the grand warrenak— delaying the start of the grand warrenak kw— delaying the start of the grand national by going on to the rraek. — national by going on to the rraek. ne— national by going on to the track. he told— national by going on to the track. he told gloria de piero nrsrnnr— track. he told gloria de piero nrsrnnr rs— track. he told gloria de piero disrupt is absolutely

unnecessary . ' rzi; disrupt is absolutely- unnecessary . arnie, i think is unnecessary. arnie, i think is unacceptable and i think unacceptable and i think unacceptable to the vast majority of the british people. is this sudden lightning strike without any warning disruption outing not just everyday lives and going about our lawful business, but big events like the london marathon. i don't know about you, but i like running and i haven't done a marathon, but i've done a few half marathons. very good. and you need to just focus and concentrate road ahead concentrate on the road ahead and i can't think of anything worse than a protester disrupting what is often charitable fundraising. so, you know , my plea to them is, look, know, my plea to them is, look, think again , please, guys. you think again, please, guys. you know, make your point , but don't know, make your point, but don't make it in a way that upsets and disrupts much loved events like the marathon . now the the marathon. now the supermarket giant tesco says it plans to appeal after lidl won a high court battle over branding lidl argued tesco's use of a yellow circle on its clubcard was an infringement of their

main store logo. a judge found in new— main store logo. a judge found in their favour— " g a judge found in their favour agreeing it was a wekarren— in their favour agreeing it was a violation of— in their favour agreeing it was a violation of their trademark nenrs— a violation of their trademark ngnrs ane— a violation of their trademark rights and copyright . that's all rights and copyright. that's all fren— rights and copyright. that's all rren ne— rights and copyright. that's all rren ne .— rights and copyright. that's all rren ne . r-n— rights and copyright. that's all from me. i'm back in an hour. wew— from me. i'm back in an hour. wew bask— from me. i'm back in an hour. wew naek re— from me. i'm back in an hour. wew naek re .— now back to. michelle |rnanks— now back to. michelle l thanks for- now back to. michelle i thanks for that,- now back to. michelle thanks for that, polly. well, now back to. michelle thanks for that, land. well, now back to. michelle thanks for that, land i'm ll, i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping till 7:00 keeping you company till 7:00 tonight. me, martin tonight. alongside me, martin daubney, the journalist and former party keeps former brexit party mep, keeps me company, as does john mcternan. the political strategist and former adviser to tony blair. good evening, gentlemen. lots to get into tonight . you know the drill, tonight. you know the drill, though, don't you? it's not just about us three. it's about you at home well. what's on your at home as well. what's on your mind tonight? get in touch, gb views gbnews.uk you views at gbnews.uk is how you email as usual, you can email me. or as usual, you can tweet me gb or at tweet me at gb news or at michelle dewberry. before i get into my lead story today, which is about the smart motorway,

should we have any mile at all of motorway in this country without a hard shoulder? i want you to ponder that. but before i get that, just a quick get into that, just a quick reaction proud scot. reaction on as a proud scot. johnis reaction on as a proud scot. john is the treasurer there, snp's standing down. is that the right move in your mind? well, it's chaos isn't and right move in your mind? well, it's chaos isn't-and the- it's chaos isn't it? and the anesrren— it's chaos isn't it? and the anesrren rs— it's chaos isn't it? and the question is who's next? everybody— question is who's next? everybody ar- question is who's next? everybody at the top of the snp has everybody at the top of the snp nas-resrenea— everybody at the top of the snp has-resignedlbeen- has either resigned or been rereea— has either resigned or been faced enr— has either resigned or been forced out of— has either resigned or been forced out of office and it rr-s— forced out of office and it means it's great news for the nanenr— means it's great news for the nanenr rank,— means it's great news for the labour party, but— means it's great news for the labour party, but terrible news for labour party, but terrible news rer seerkane. — labour party, but terrible news for scotland. there's no working gewernrnenn — for scotland. there's no working government. yeah.— for scotland. there's no working government. yeah. are you in seerkanae — government. yeah. are you in scotland? what's- government. yeah. are you in scotland? �*vw�*fia ” government. yeah. are you in scotland? ” g scotland? what's your thoughts on what a mess. martin on it all? what a mess. martin quick think if this quick thoughts. i think if this reek— quick thoughts. i think if this reek gees— quick thoughts. i think if this reek gees re— quick thoughts. i think if this rock goes to the— quick thoughts. i think if this rock goes to the top,- qm. rtx< g i think if this rock goes to the top, then srnreeen— rock goes to the top, then sturgeon herself needs to be snseenaer. — sturgeon herself needs to be snseeneer. n— sturgeon herself needs to be suspended. it really needs to go rnre— suspended. it really needs to go rnre-krnr— suspended. it really needs to go rnre-krnr er— suspended. it really needs to go into-kind oflthink,- into that kind of i think, administration the whole administration state the whole rnrne— administration state the whole rnrne rs— administration state the whole thing is utterly— administration state the whole thing is utterly chaotic, makes a neekew— thing is utterly chaotic, makes a neekew er— thing is utterly chaotic, makes a mockery of democracy north of the a mockery of democracy north of rne—wen— a mockery of democracy north of rne—wen-rnel the border. and, you know, the rarenr— the border. and, you know, the rarenr rank— the border. and, you know, the labour party - be - the border. and, you know, the labour party be licking labour party must be licking ener— labour party must be licking rnerr-ar— labour party must be licking their- at the— labour party must be licking their at the prospect. their lips at the prospect. waver— their lips at the prospect. wewerlnnrr— their lips at the prospect. neverldull-in- their lips at the prospect. i neverldull-in politics, their lips at the prospect. . neverldull-in politics, is never a dull day in politics, is there? never day, never there? never a dull day, never a dull on dewbs& co either. dull moment on dewbs& co either. looking forward to the show tonight. you drive car ? you tonight. do you drive a car? you on a motorway often? i am and i find it absolute lunacy when i

see motorways without a hard shoulder and i find it very confusing when i seem to go one minute i've got a hard shoulder, one minute at the speed one minute i'm at the speed limit, i'm at a slower limit, then i'm at a slower speed limit. then there's not a hard very confusing hard shoulder. very confusing if you ask me, but apparently 6 to 9% of motorist want there to be not a single mile of motorway without a hard shoulder. you'll be familiar with perhaps some of the new ones that have been planned, these so—called smart motorways as the press pause on them. the stop them but apparently it's going to to be disruptive and too costly to retrofit the hard shoulders back onto the ones that already exist. your thoughts, martin well, whoever invented smart motorways is the opposite of smart. i mean , they are an smart. i mean, they are an rnwenrren— smart. i mean, they are an rnwenrren re— smart. i mean, they are an invention to a— i mean, they are an invention to a problem that arrn-r— invention to a problem that didn't exist. _ invention to a problem that didn't exist. they've caused 50 deans.— didn't exist. they've caused 50| deaths._endless deaths. they've caused endless naes — deaths. they've caused endless naes ene— deaths. they've caused endless chaos. one stretch— deaths. they've caused endless chaos. one stretch of the m1 wnere— chaos. one stretch of the m1 wnere r— chaos. one stretch of the m1 where i travelled— chaos. one stretch of the m1 where i travelled back to nottingham,— where i travelled back to nottingham, where i'm from, has anser— nottingham, where i'm from, has anser renr— nottingham, where i'm from, has caused four deaths, but it's rarser— caused four deaths, but it's rarser re— caused four deaths, but it's raised £6 million in speeding fines.— raised £6 million in speeding rrnes. r— raised £6 million in speeding fines. i think— raised £6 million in speeding fines. i think that's actually ene— fines. i think that's actually we rear— fines. i think that's actually the real point— fines. i think that's actually the real point of— fines. i think that's actually the real point of these things. rwewene— the real point of these things. everyone watching show will

everyone watching this show will be everyone watching this show will re ranrrrar— everyone watching this show will be familiar with— everyone watching this show will be familiar with those, those rnese—sneea - be familiar with those, those- those-speed measures those temporary speed measures anar— those temporary speed measures rnar are— those temporary speed measures that are brought— those temporary speed measures that are brought in. oftentimes you that are brought in. oftentimes wen—kna- that are brought in. oftentimes wen—ana er- that are brought in. oftentimesi you _and of course, you don't see it. and of course, ene— you don't see it. and of course, we earneras— you don't see it. and of course, the cameras, number, the cameras, vehicle number, ware—ger- plate recognition, you get naked— plate recognition, you get naked ,— plate recognition, you get nrekea leer- plate recognition, you get nicked , get letter through nicked, you get a letter through the nicked, you get a letter through rne-ewen— nicked, you get a letter through the-even late— nicked, you get a letter through the-even late at- nicked, you get a letter through the even late at night. i the post, even late at night. i den-r— the post, even late at night. i ren-r rnrnk— the post, even late at night. i don't think there's a single argnnenr— don't think there's a single argnnenr rn— don't think there's a single argument in favour of other argument in favour of them other man— argument in favour of them other rnan-rnew— argument in favour of them other rnan-rnew are— argument in favour of them other than-they are an- than the fact they are an arsernre — than the fact they are an absolute bakhmut way of milking than the fact they are an absrmotoristzhmut way of milking than the fact they are an absrmotorist dry. it way of milking than the fact they are an absrmotorist dry. once of milking than the fact they are an absrmotorist dry. once again. king the motorist dry. once again. rne— the motorist dry. once again. rne rerea— the motorist dry. once again. the idea that— the motorist dry. once again. the idea that you can break down a safe raw— the idea that you can break down near a safe bay without having to near a safe bay without having re wakk— near a safe bay without having to walk, which— near a safe bay without having to walk, which obviously is disproportionately prejudiced aearnsr— disproportionately prejudiced agarnsrrne— disproportionately prejudiced against the infirm , the elderly, against the infirm, the elderly, , rne— against the infirm, the elderly, women , the precise people that women, the precise people that seerew— women, the precise people that society should— women, the precise people that society should deem to protect are society should deem to protect being— society should deem to protect rerne refr— society should deem to protect are being left the— society should deem to protect are being left the most vulnerable— are being left the most vulnerable by this frankly rererre— vulnerable by this frankly rarerre ,— vulnerable by this frankly idiotic , poorly— vulnerable by this frankly idiotic , poorly thought out idiotic, poorly thought out seernen— idiotic, poorly thought out scheme. and— idiotic, poorly thought out scheme. and they need to go. rnew-re— scheme. and they need to go. they're sawrng— scheme. and they need to go. they're saying they're too eesrrw— they're saying they're too eesrrw re — they're saying they're too costly to remove, but they're snenerng — costly to remove, but they're snenerng seee— costly to remove, but they're spending £900 million, michel, on more of these— spending £900 million, michel, on more of these safe refuge rays— on more of these safe refuge rays .— on more of these safe refuge rays . eer— on more of these safe refuge rays . eer na— on more of these safe refuge bays . get rid of— on more of these safe refuge bays . get rid of them. get back bays. get rid of them. get back to bays. get rid of them. get back re rne— bays. get rid of them. get back re rne narr— bays. get rid of them. get back to the hard shoulder. let's have some common sense back on the nererwaws. — some common sense back on the motorways. indeed,— some common sense back on the motorways. :: if“ look, motorways. indeed, john. look, the motorways. indeed, john. look, rne weeken— motorways. indeed, john. look, the problem we— motorways. indeed, john. look, the problem we have— motorways. indeed, john. look, the problem we have in- motorways. indeed, john. look,i the problem we have in-is the problem we have in the uk is we den-r— the problem we have in the uk is we don't-enough— the problem we have in the uk is we don't enough motorways. we don't have enough motorways. and we don't have enough motorways. ana-rne— we don't have enough motorways. and the government are and what the government are nerne— and what the government are doing-cancelling- and what the government are doing cancelling £1 billion doing is cancelling £1 billion of doing is cancelling £1 billion er snenrrne—

doing is cancelling £1 billion er snenerng en— doing is cancelling £1 billion of spending on motorways and not renraerne— of spending on motorways and not renraerne re— of spending on motorways and not replacing it with— of spending on motorways and not replacing it with anything. i'd rrke— replacing it with anything. i'd rrke re— replacing it with anything. i'd rrke re see— replacing it with anything. i'd like to see. i'd— replacing it with anything. i'd like to see. i'd like to see rnese,— like to see. i'd like to see these, these _ like to see. i'd like to see these, these extra capacity , these, these extra capacity, rnese— these, these extra capacity, rnese ekrra— these, these extra capacity, these extra capacity. i'd like to these extra capacity. i'd like re see— these extra capacity. i'd like re rnrs— these extra capacity. i'd like to see this kept.— these extra capacity. i'd like to see this kept. i think if you rake— to see this kept. i think if you rake away— to see this kept. i think if you rake away rne— to see this kept. i think if you take away the smart motorways, wen-rr— take away the smart motorways, you'll constrict— take away the smart motorways, you'll constrict the _ take away the smart motorways, you'll constrict the traffic, rnere-rr— you'll constrict the traffic, rnere-rr re — you'll constrict the traffic, there'll be more congestion for everybody— there'll be more congestion for everybody wne— there'll be more congestion for everybody who drives on nererwaws— everybody who drives on nererwaws .— everybody who drives on motorways . the solution the motorways. the solution in the rene— motorways. the solution in the rene-rs— motorways. the solution in the rene-rs arrrne— motorways. the solution in the long-is adding an- motorways. the solution in the long is adding an extra long term is adding an extra rane— long term is adding an extra lane-almost— long term is adding an extra lane almost every bit of lane to almost every bit of nererwaw— lane to almost every bit of motorway we've- lane to almost every bit of motorway we've got in the eennkw— motorway we've got in the eennrw. enr— motorway we've got in the country. but know that would country. but i know that would rne— country. but i know that would cause the government a problem reanse— cause the government a problem reanse rnew-re — cause the government a problem because they're not— cause the government a problem because they're not investing in infrastructure _ because they're not investing in infrastenvironmental cause environmental demonstrators day demonstrators a field day reanse— demonstrators a field day because they'd demonstrators a field day. because they'd -so demonstrators a field day- because they'd-so you because they'd be out. so you rnrnk— because they'd be out. so you rnrnk rr— because they'd be out. so you rnrnk rr rs— because they'd be out. so you think it is fine to have these motorways without a hard shoulder? don't you worry about i mean, have you ever had any cause to stop on the hard shoulder? yeah. in shoulder? firstly, yeah. in france, not in the uk. yeah. rr-s— france, not in the uk. yeah. it's absolute— france, not in the uk. yeah. it's absolute terrifying. so to be it's absolute terrifying. so to re nnrrrrnn— it's absolute terrifying. so to be hurtling down— it's absolute terrifying. so to be hurtling down and then know that, i don't know. you've got a blow out or whatever and you've got nowhere to stop. wouldn't that petrify you ? motorway that petrify you? motorway aeerrenrs— that petrify you? motorway accidents are _ 7 motorway accidents are petrifying. ereakrne— accidents are petrifying. breaking down the motorways is nerrrrwrng.— breaking down the motorways is nerrrrwrng. we— breaking down the motorways is nerrrrwrng. we re— breaking down the motorways is petrifying. we do want to have

nererwaws— petrifying. we do want to have nererwaws rn— petrifying. we do want to have motorways in the— petrifying. we do want to have motorways in the country because we need— motorways in the country because we need re— motorways in the country because we need re newe— motorways in the country because we need to move fast around the eennkw— we need to move fast around the eennrw. we— we need to move fast around the eennrw. we need— we need to move fast around the country. we need better, more eanaekw— country. we need better, more eanaerrw. rnrs— country. we need better, more capacity. this-a _ country. we need better, more capacity. this a way of capacity. this is a way of nawrne— capacity. this is a way of having capacity. and having more capacity. and i rnrnk— having more capacity. and i rnrnk we— having more capacity. and i rnrnk we re— having more capacity. and i think we do need to increase nererwaw— think we do need to increase motorway capacity. i'd love to see-rr— motorway capacity. i'd love to see-re re— motorway capacity. i'd love to see-i'd to love- motorway capacity. i'd love to see i'd to love have see a great i'd to love have ny— see a great i'd to love have seen my government, which rerrrer— seen my government, which rerrrer rn— seen my government, which bottled it. labour bottled it. the labour government- bottled it. the labour government whole government didn't build a whole toll government didn't build a whole rerr rear— government didn't build a whole rerr rear .— government didn't build a whole toll road . there— government didn't build a whole toll road . there was a proposal toll road. there was a proposal toll road. there was a proposal re enra— toll road. there was a proposal re rnrra a— toll road. there was a proposal to build a whole— toll road. there was a proposal to build a whole toll road nararrer— to build a whole toll road parallel-m6. - to build a whole toll road parallel m6. think to build a whole toll road- parallel-m6. ithink that parallel to the m6. i think that wenrr— parallel to the m6. i think that wenrr-reen— parallel to the m6. i think that would-been great.- parallel to the m6. i think that would been great. think would have been great. i think we-rar— would have been great. i think we-far-motorwaysl would have been great. i think. we -far- motorways per we have far fewer motorways per near— we have far fewer motorways per head-population— we have far fewer motorways per head population than any head of population than any erner— head of population than any erner-rn— head of population than any other-in europe.- head of population than any other in europe. we need other country in europe. we need rneee—r- other country in europe. we need more _to reduce. more motorways, but to reduce eanaerw— more motorways, but to reduce capacity-closing _ more motorways, but to reduce capacity-closing .- more motorways, but to reduce capacity closing . the by capacity by closing. the by eresrne— capacity by closing. the by eresrne err— capacity by closing. the by closing off and— capacity by closing. the by closing off and creating new narr— closing off and creating new hard shoulders.— closing off and creating new hard shoulders. i don't think rnar— hard shoulders. i don't think rnar rees— hard shoulders. i don't think that does anybody any good at all. that does anybody any good at an r— that does anybody any good at an r re— that does anybody any good at an r are a— that does anybody any good at an r are a rer— that does anybody any good at all. i do a lot of— that does anybody any good at all. i do a lot of travelling ana— all. i do a lot of travelling and r— all. i do a lot of travelling and r arwaws— all. i do a lot of travelling and i always have a little rnranra — and i always have a little rnranra rrk— and i always have a little mantra. mgr can and i always have a little mantra. iii; can and i always have a little- mantra. my family hear me say it often when i'm driving and i'll speak to them and say, i'm running late. i always say, it's better to dead late than better to arrive dead late than dead. yes, i accept that dead. so yes, i accept that there is some congestion and that yeah, if keep that actually, yeah, if you keep that actually, yeah, if you keep that an all in, that road flowing as an all in, yes, might get to your yes, you might get to your destination in ten minutes. quicker you might be quicker warp. or you might be one the unfortunates that one of the unfortunates that don't it your

don't make it to your destination at one of the destination at all. one of the facts saw today, 1 in 12 facts that i saw today, 1 in 12 motorway actually occur motorway deaths actually occur on hard shoulder. they on the hard shoulder. so they are kind of be and are not the kind of be all and end all, are they? yeah. and if you eer— end all, are they? yeah. and if you gen na— end all, are they? yeah. and if you gen rra er— end all, are they? yeah. and if you get rid of the— end all, are they? yeah. and if you get rid of the hard- ri;r: ririi; l“ri;«r7’ yeah. and if you get rid of the hard shoulder rnen— you get rid of the hard shoulder then-obviously— you get rid of the hard shoulder then obviously exacerbate then that's obviously exacerbate earne— dating that issue because rnere-s— dating that issue because there's literally to there's literally nowhere to rake— there's literally nowhere to take - salvage - there's literally nowhere to take -salvage .- there's literally nowhere to take salvage . so know there's literally nowhere to- take-salvage . so know if take to take salvage. so know if you— take to take salvage. so know if wen nave— take to take salvage. so know if you havelblow—out- take to take salvage. so know if you have blow—out or you you have a blow—out or you break newn— you have a blow—out or you break rewn—nrenr- down, particularly at night wne— down, particularly at night time,-these- down, particularly at nighti time,-these-are time, then these deaths are eeenrnne— time, then these deaths are occurring basically, occurring when basically, you knew,— occurring when basically, you knew—erengnrngi know, truckers are ploughing rnre— know, truckers are ploughing rnre-er— know, truckers are ploughing into-of motorists. know, truckers are ploughing into of motorists who into the back of motorists who are—rnew— into the back of motorists who are—rnew den-r- into the back of motorists who are—they don't seei are stationary. they don't see nnrrr— are stationary. they don't see nnrrr-ree— are stationary. they don't see until-too late.— are stationary. they don't see until too late. now who until it's too late. now who wenrr— until it's too late. now who wenrr nave— until it's too late. now who would have-that. until it's too late. now who- would have-that removing would have thought that removing a-snenraer— would have thought that removing a-shoulder would— would have thought that removing a shoulder would increase would have thought that removing a riskrhoulder would increase would have thought that removing a risk to ulder would increase would have thought that removing a risk to stationaryd increase the risk to stationary motorists?- the risk to stationary motorists? it's a no brainer . motorists? it's a no brainer. kna— motorists? it's a no brainer. ana—r— motorists? it's a no brainer. ana—r saw- motorists? it's a no brainer. ana—r saw aearni and that's why i say again, snar— and that's why i say again, smart motorway, motorways and that's why i say again, smrthe notorway, motorways and that's why i say again, smrthe opposite motorways and that's why i say again, smrthe opposite of motorways and that's why i say again, smrthe opposite of smart otorways and that's why i say again, smrthe opposite of smart .torways and that's why i say again, smrthe opposite of smart . they/s are the opposite of smart. they snenrr— are the opposite of smart. they should-scrapped. _ are the opposite of smart. they should scrapped. should be scrapped. it's not near— should be scrapped. it's not clear increased risks. the thing is, driving is dangerous. it's one of the most dangerous, the one of the most dangerous, the one biggest cause of death one the biggest cause of death in injury in the country are road traffic accidents. we accept that that the convenience of the car faux pas has a risk to it and the risk , the risk is to it and the risk, the risk is of crashes, of accidents , of of crashes, of accidents, of injury, and in some cases death, death on the hard shoulder.

whether it's a smart motorway or an ordinary hard shoulder. whether it's a smart motorway or an ordinary hard shoulder . and an ordinary hard shoulder. and the thing is we have to understand as a country. do we want to be, you know, nannied or do we want to have an acceptable level of risk? there is some risk in this, but there's some risk in this, but there's some risk in this, but there's some risk in motorway driving. totally. close all the totally. should we close all the motorways? there's motorways? because there's deaths we deaths on them? should we close all of the because there's all of the roads because there's deaths them? that's one of deaths on them? that's one of the issues. are we in the the issues. where are we in the balance this? the balance of this? does the motorway have freedom? and one of frustrations that i've of the frustrations that i've got probably with got in, i probably share it with martin is, is the martin in london is, is the proliferation low traffic proliferation of low traffic neighbourhoods debate neighbourhoods everywhere debate that stop that often trying to stop working class people who don't just drive to work driving is their work driving with a social care system should have a word with should have a word with laboun with should have a word with labour. mayor sadiq khan, who's enekrne— labour. mayor sadiq khan, who's enekrne . — labour. mayor sadiq khan, who's enekrng . r-we— labour. mayor sadiq khan, who's choking . i've had— labour. mayor sadiq khan, who's choking. i've had a— labour. mayor sadiq khan, who's choking . i've had a word- ” mayor sadiq khan, who's choking . “er: : choking. i've had a word of my councillors in southwark blooming hate it in southwark. well on that we can agree but well on on that we can agree but this part the same problem this is part of the same problem and not really about and it's not really about decreasing congestion, it's not really safety. really about increasing safety. i about increasing i think it's about increasing revenue,-about- i think it's about increasing revenue, about choking revenue, it's about choking nererrsrs—

revenue, it's about choking motorists—all. revenue, it's about chokingi motorists_ all the motorists and taking all the nenew— motorists and taking all the nenewleer— motorists and taking all the monengot done- motorists and taking all the money got done other day, money i got done the other day, not money i got done the other day, nerla— money i got done the other day, nerla nererwaw— money i got done the other day, not a motorway, just on not on a motorway, just on a nerrna— not on a motorway, just on a normal residential street, reanse— normal residential street, reeanse-ner- normal residential street, because not resident because i'm not a resident of anar— because i'm not a resident of rnar-r— because i'm not a resident of that-i haven't- because i'm not a resident of that i haven't been that area, so i haven't been rnrengn— that area, so i haven't been rnrengn ene— that area, so i haven't been through one of— that area, so i haven't been through one of the. / through one of the. yeah, yeah, i i through one of the. yeah, yeah, i user— through one of the. yeah, yeah, i i used traffic app, i did. i used the traffic app, which was saying right, that's congested over there, go round there. like, no flies there. so i was like, no flies on me off there. i went on me off round there. i went yeah, the post and it got yeah, open the post and it got a fine which actually i hadn't opened time. so the fine opened in time. so then the fine had kwasi does. but had increased kwasi does. but the problem with-of- had increased kwasi does. but the problem with-of this. “er: i: : but the problem with of this is the problem with all of this is anar— the problem with all of this is rnar rr— the problem with all of this is rnar rr ewes— the problem with all of this is that it gives more— the problem with all of this is that it gives more control to rne— that it gives more control to the bureaucrats— that it gives more control to the bureaucrats define us the bureaucrats who define us ana— the bureaucrats who define us and—newenenrl and restricts our movement, resrrrers— and restricts our movement, restricts freedom. smart restricts our freedom. so smart nererwaws— restricts our freedom. so smart motorways, -traffic - motorways, low traffic neighbourhoods, motorways, low traffic neighb ultra rods, emission zones zones, ultra low emission zones near— zones, ultra low emission zones nekr re— zones, ultra low emission zones nekr re re— zones, ultra low emission zones next to 15 minute— zones, ultra low emission zones next to 15 minute cities where wen-re— next to 15 minute cities where wen-re ner— next to 15 minute cities where you're not allowed to go outside wenr— you're not allowed to go outside wenr-wrrnenr— you're not allowed to go outside your-without being- you're not allowed to go outside your without being taxed. your zone without being taxed. all your zone without being taxed. arr-rs— your zone without being taxed. all-is taxation- your zone without being taxed. all is taxation dressed all of this is taxation dressed as salvation.— all of this is taxation dressed as salvation. it's— all of this is taxation dressed as salvation. it's a way of nrrkrne— as salvation. it's a way of nrrkrng rne— as salvation. it's a way of milking the motorist, right? rnere— milking the motorist, right? there-millions- milking the motorist, right? there millions motorists there are millions of motorists wne— there are millions of motorists wne snenrr— there are millions of motorists who should voting against all who should be voting against all this who should be voting against all rnrs-,— who should be voting against all rnrs-, ana— who should be voting against all rnrs-, and r— who should be voting against all this-, and i wish- who should be voting against all this , and i wish they this nonsense, and i wish they nar— this nonsense, and i wish they narlnerrrrear— this nonsense, and i wish they had political party to land had a political party to land new— had a political party to land new r— had a political party to land hey r rrke— had a political party to land on. hey i like that saying rakarren— on. hey i like that saying taxation dressed up disguised as sarwarren. — taxation dressed up disguised as salvation. -that.- taxation dressed up disguised as salvation. -that. and- taxation dressed up disguised as salvation. r: salvation. i like that. and you talk self salvation. yeah. talk about self salvation. yeah. you talk about congestion and all the rest of it. one of the

things that really annoys me because i do do a lot of night time motorway driving is how many roadworks acas i happen to see how many cones i happen to see how many cones i happen to see closing off entire lanes for what feels like miles without spotting a single solitary tree. workman there nowhere to be seen. and i think to myself, well, why aren't you? if you're going to close this lane off, why aren't you working 24 over seven? and by the way, why didn't you do your roadways when you closed down the entire country for about years? but country for about two years? but anyway, park that one. why anyway, i'll park that one. why aren't they working 24 over seven then, do all of these seven then, to do all of these roadworks works? i assume it's reanse— roadworks works? i assume it's reanse rne— : 7 i assume it's because the department for rransnen— transport contracts, the nenannenr— transport contracts, the department 24 transport contracts, the - department l24 -working contracts said 24 hour working on on road maintenance, on renarrs— on on road maintenance, on renarrs en— on on road maintenance, on repairs, on extensions, on wnarewer. — repairs, on extensions, on whatever. then- repairs, on extensions, on whatever. then that would nannen — whatever. then that would nannen. enr— whatever. then that would nannen. an r— whatever. then that would happen. but it would obviously rne— happen. but it would obviously increase the labour it increase the labour costs, it wenrr— increase the labour costs, it wenrr rnere— increase the labour costs, it would triple labour costs would triple the labour costs prenanrw. — would triple the labour costs probably. -well- would triple the labour costs probably. -well it- would triple the labour costs- probably. -well it wouldn't probably. yeah. well it wouldn't really, you're, if really, because if you're, if you're take out x you're going to take out an x amount you're going amount of days, if you're going to 24 over seven, then to do it 24 over seven, then yes, you need more people potentially because of sleep

patterns. but you'll condense the you'll in. the time that you'll do it in. but shift, the working but the shift, the shift working wrrr—nnr— but the shift, the shift working will—but look, - will have costs. but look, i assnne-re— will have costs. but look, i assume-to do- will have costs. but look, i assume to do with the way assume it's to do with the way anew— assume it's to do with the way anew eenrraer— assume it's to do with the way they contract in— assume it's to do with the way they contract in the department for they contract in the department rer-r-we— they contract in the department fer-r-we ner- they contract in the department for-i've not seen- for transport. i've not seen 24 new— for transport. i've not seen 24 hour—european- hour working in european nererwaws— hour working in europeani nererwaws—rr hour working in european- motorways,_it could motorways, but i'm sure it could be rene. — motorways, but i'm sure it could be rene. wean.— motorways, but i'm sure it could be done. yeah, well,- motorways, but i'm sure it could be done. “43?" motorways, but i'm sure it could be done. / cc?" c be done. yeah, well, we don't need to exactly the same as need to be exactly the same as the europeans. i don't understand. why can't. do understand. why can't. what do you think? working. you think? 24 working. i wouldn't just say two wouldn't even just say two roads. would extend it to roads. i would just extend it to any. need to disrupt any. if you need to disrupt pubuc any. if you need to disrupt public hours a day, not public work 24 hours a day, not the person, obviously, to the same person, obviously, to make sure that the disruption is minimised. thing minimised. yeah. and the thing is, minimised. yeah. and the thing rs wen-re— minimised. yeah. and the thing rs, wen-re none.— minimised. yeah. and the thing is, you're right. it— minimised. yeah. and the thing is, you're right. it would- is, you're right. it would rnere-r— is, you're right. it would rnere-r re— is, you're right. it would there'd be an- is, you're right. it would there'd be an increased labour eesrs— there'd be an increased labour eesrslrerns— there'd be an increased labour costs-termslnight- costs in terms of night shift werk— costs in terms of night shift werk-arr— costs in terms of night shift work-all-rest- costs in terms of night shift work-all-rest of- costs in terms of night shift work all rest of it, but work and all the rest of it, but it work and all the rest of it, but rr wenrr— work and all the rest of it, but rr wenrr re— work and all the rest of it, but it would be over— work and all the rest of it, but it would be over a— work and all the rest of it, but it would be over a shorter awaren— it would be over a shorter duration. and— it would be over a shorter duration. and so the to the duration. and so the gain to the wearer— duration. and so the gain to the broader—keepingl duration. and so the gain to the. broader—keeping the broader economy from keeping the rears—werkers- roads moving, keeping workers newne— roads moving, keeping workers newrng wenrr— roads moving, keeping workers moving would outweigh that. but of moving would outweigh that. but er—eennrers- moving would outweigh that. but of_counters of. of course the bean counters of rne— of course the bean counters of the department— of course the bean counters of the department of— of course the bean counters of the department of transport den-r— the department of transport ren-r-rrke— the department of transport don't-like that,- the department of transport don't like that, don't don't think like that, don't anew— don't think like that, don't anew den-r— don't think like that, don't they don't think about the nererrsr— they don't think about the motorist and— they don't think about the motorist and worker. they motorist and the worker. they rnrnk—ewn- motorist and the worker. they rnrnk—ewn ren- motorist and the worker. they think own top line think about their own top line ana— think about their own top line and—renn- and actually they don't care arena— and actually they don't care about causing— and actually they don't care about causing they just about causing misery. they just wane— about causing misery. they just wanr re— about causing misery. they just wanr re nrr— about causing misery. they just want to hit their— about causing misery. they just want to hit their targets. snerra — want to hit their targets. snerra sne— want to hit their targets. sheila, she says,- want to hit their targets. sheila, she says, i'm- want to hit their targets. sheila, she says, i'm here again. to mention, again. i just want to mention, she says that the united she says that in the united states, the hard

states, they call the hard shoulder shoulder is do shoulder a soft shoulder is do they know? you learn something new single day dewbs & new every single day on dewbs& co. i don't know that, paul says. michelle can't get my head around this. people will call for the stop of grand national because died. but yet because a horse died. but yet they're happy not to ban smart motorways or to retrofit them . motorways or to retrofit them. this is gb news the people's channel. and i will have some more of your thoughts into

coronation when you're listening to coronation when you're listening re se— coronation when you're listening re en wews— coronation when you're listening to gb news radio— coronation when you're listening to gb news radio ._ when you're listening to gb news radio . hello there. to gb news radio. hello there. rnr— to gb news radio. hello there. r-nn wrenerre— to gb news radio. hello there. i'm michelle dewberry- to gb news radio. hello there. i'm michelle dewberry and- to gb news radio. hello there. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight alongside me, i've got martin daubney, journalist and daubney, the journalist and former brexit party mep, and john political john mcternan, the political strategist. , strategist. welcome back, everyone. just been everyone. we've just been talking motorways, batus everyone. we've just been talki my motorways, batus everyone. we've just been talki my daughter:orways, batus everyone. we've just been talki my daughter broke s, batus everyone. we've just been talki my daughter broke down us everyone. we've just been talki my daughter broke down in says my daughter broke down in a live lane with no hard shoulder. she called me begging for help and he says the fear in her voice will live with me forever . he says the government thought

that the cost ratio was worth it when it comes to deaths and convenience and all the rest of it. they were wrong, he says. put the hard shoulders back now do you agree with him? keep your thoughts coming in tonight. let's, we talk councils ? let's, shall we talk councils? have you just had your council tax risen? i suspect, by the way, you have maybe by 5. maybe you're in one of the unfortunate places where you've seen it rise a whole lot more. do you sit there and think, i don't mind paying there and think, i don't mind paying a little bit more actually, because i get a great service from my council. i seem to get more things done than ever before. don't ever before. i bet you don't think that. anyway, today there's been a lot of conversation much conversation about how much people are paid people in council are paid because of people because thousands of people apparently around the country are receiving quite handsome six figure salaries . one council figure salaries. one council member was paid . are you ready, member was paid. are you ready, everyone? he's sitting down. £600,000 in a single year. not a bad job that am i leave here and go off. there can't be that

difficult running a council, can it? that chief executive that nrs— 7 that chief executive that was his redundancy pay. that's it. was his redundancy pay. that's r. on— was his redundancy pay. that's r. on, rnar-s— was his redundancy pay. that's it. oh, that's all— was his redundancy pay. that's it. oh, that's all right then. rr-s— it. oh, that's all right then. rr-s arr— it. oh, that's all right then. rr-s arr er— it. oh, that's all right then. it's all of the. _ it. oh, that's all right then. it's all of the. it's all the pay— it's all of the. it's all the pay reanrrer— it's all of the. it's all the pay required to- it's all of the. it's all the pay required to wrap up a rednndanew— pay required to wrap up a redundancy. so it's contractual . se— redundancy. so it's contractual . se r— redundancy. so it's contractual . se r rnrnk— redundancy. so it's contractual . so i think you— redundancy. so it's contractual . so i think you should pay neenre— . so i think you should pay people wne— . so i think you should pay people who run— . so i think you should pay people who run councils a decent er— people who run councils a decent er nenew— people who run councils a decent sum of money. what do you call a resenr— sum of money. what do you call a resenr snn— sum of money. what do you call a resenr er— sum of money. what do you call a decent sum of money? six figure a sk— decent sum of money? six figure a srk figure— decent sum of money? six figure a six figure sum.— decent sum of money? six figure a six figure sum. it's not even rr-s— a six figure sum. it's not even is srrrr— a six figure sum. it's not even is srrrr ner— a six figure sum. it's not even it's still not comparable with wnar— it's still not comparable with wnar wen— it's still not comparable with wnar you ger— it's still not comparable with what you get paid in the private seerre— what you get paid in the private seerre rer— what you get paid in the private sector for running— what you get paid in the private sector for running an organisation which has a rnrnewer er— organisation which has a turnover of billions which which accounts most— turnover of billions which which accounts most county council nave— accounts most county council nave rnrnewer— accounts most county council have turnover of— accounts most county council have turnover of billions. rnew-we— have turnover of billions. they've ger— have turnover of billions. they've eer a— have turnover of billions. they've got a they've got a huge rraers— they've got a they've got a huge rraers er— they've got a they've got a huge tracts of land,— they've got a they've got a huge tracts of land, they— they've got a they've got a huge tracts of land, they have huge responsibilities— tracts of land, they have huge responsibilities ranging from enrrrren-s— responsibilities ranging from children's services , child children's services, child prereerren— children's services, child protection -to. children's services, child- protection-to education. protection through to education. it's protection through to education. rr-s a— protection through to education. rr-s a very— protection through to education. it's a very responsible job and you— it's a very responsible job and you-tor— it's a very responsible job and you-tor wen- it's a very responsible job and you-to, you know,- it's a very responsible job and you to, you know, you you do need to, you know, you need— you do need to, you know, you neealnawe— you do need to, you know, you need-have-best.- you do need to, you know, you need have best. and so need to have the best. and so you— need to have the best. and so you-vou— need to have the best. and so wen-wen knew,— need to have the best. and so you-you know, you- need to have the best. and so you you know, you pay you pay you know, you pay peannrs— you pay you know, you pay peannrs, you— you pay you know, you pay peanuts, you get monkeys and do you peanuts, you get monkeys and do wen rnrnk— peanuts, you get monkeys and do you rnrnk rnar— peanuts, you get monkeys and do you think that these eyewatering snnslarrraer— you think that these eyewatering sums i attract _ do l you think that these eyewatering. sums i attract _ do you sums do attract the best? do you rnrnk— sums do attract the best? do you rnrnk-wen— sums do attract the best? do you rnrnk-wen reek— sums do attract the best? do you think you look around our think when you look around our country whole, do you sit country as a whole, do you sit there and your chin and there and stroke your chin and 90, there and stroke your chin and go, yes, the best brains are leading councils. we've leading these councils. we've got chief got pretty good council chief executives. we have

executives. i think we have werew— �*iil)k(iiil�*f.c.c i think we have pretty underfunded councils. rnew-we— pretty underfunded councils. they've reen— pretty underfunded councils. they've been under funded for the they've been under funded for we rasr— they've been under funded for the last decade.— they've been under funded for the last decade. they're part of rner— the last decade. they're part of their downward— the last decade. they're part of their downward pressure that the rew— their downward pressure that the rew gewernnenr— their downward pressure that the tory government have caused and rnere-s— tory government have caused and rnere-s rees— tory government have caused and rnere-s rers er— tory government have caused and there's lots of things are ereakrne— there's lots of things are ereakrng ar— there's lots of things are creaking at seams, just like creaking at the seams, just like the creaking at the seams, just like we nearrn— creaking at the seams, just like the health service— creaking at the seams, just like the health service is underfunded. so schools are underfunded— underfunded. so schools are underfunded generally underfunded and generally eennerrs— underfunded and generally. councils—but councils are underfunded. but anar— councils are underfunded. but rnar rnar-s— councils are underfunded. but that that's don't— councils are underfunded. but that that's don't get me sranea. — that that's don't get me started. they- that that's don't get me started. "car r:ri:r rrig that that's don't get me- started. they do a very good job with the money they have. but you am i being unfair?- with the money they have. but you am i being unfair? - with the money they have. but you am i being unfair? before i bring— you am i being unfair? before i bring warrrn— you am i being unfair? before i bring martin in because i feel a little like no matter what little bit like no matter what the problem is in this society, your answer is it's fault of your answer is it's the fault of the government. well, the tory government. well, they've in the tory government. well, they've -in power. - the tory government. well,- they've-in power. they've they've been in power. they've reen— they've been in power. they've keen-rer— they've been in power. they've keen-fer rs- they've been in power. they've been -for 13 years. - they've been in power. they've been for 13 years. they been in power for 13 years. they can-r— been in power for 13 years. they sank—fren- been in power for 13 years. they| ean-r—rren rr. can't kind of run away from it. ken— can't kind of run away from it. ken bring— can't kind of run away from it. ken bring rn— can't kind of run away from it. you bring in the— can't kind of run away from it. you bring in the health- can't kind of run away from it. you bring in the health service, by the way. don't even get me started on one, because as started on that one, because as i always say, the health i will always say, the health service in is run by service in wales is run by labour funded of course by labour it is a worse yes labour and it is in a worse yes , but they have got tax raising powers devolved them. if they powers devolved to them. if they want spend choose what want to spend they choose what they the health they spend on the health service. spend more service. they spend more in wales do england wales than they do in england and a worse state. they and it's in a worse state. they could increase taxes to fund it

more they felt they needed more if they felt they needed it. scotland, but it. they don't in scotland, but not wales. i thought did not in wales. i thought they did in wales. are you sure? the in wales. are you sure? not the wersn— in wales. are you sure? not the welsh assembly— in wales. are you sure? not the. welsh assembly—they welsh assembly government. they can-r— welsh assembly government. they ean-r arse— welsh assembly government. they can't raise taxes? _ welsh assembly government. they can't raise taxes? i— welsh assembly government. they can't raise taxes? i believe so. r-nn — can't raise taxes? i believe so. i'm so one of i'm sure one of my very viewers will tell me very smart viewers will tell me which one of us is right. what do you make to this all? martin daubney. i'm about to chew the rare — daubney. i'm about to chew the rare -rnar— daubney. i'm about to chew the table. -that everything. table. the fact that everything is table. the fact that everything rs—rnrs— table. the fact that everything is_this table. i table. the fact that everything is_this table. i| is the tories to this table. i can-r— is the tories to this table. i can-r r— is the tories to this table. i can-r r can-r— is the tories to this table. i can't i can't confirm - is the tories to this table. i can't i can't confirm the. can't i can't confirm the calibre this table, but don't calibre of this table, but don't want responsibility for your own ill health. everything is conservatives- ill health. everything is conservatives when conservatives fault, even when wen—nanwl you know, provably so many rarenr— you know, provably so many rarenr-are- labour councils are doing rerrrrrw— labour councils are doing terribly liberal- labour councils are doing terribly liberal democrats as wen.— terribly liberal democrats as werr. r— terribly liberal democrats as well. i think— terribly liberal democrats as well. i think this comes down to warne— well. i think this comes down to warne rer— well. i think this comes down to value for money— well. i think this comes down to value for money for— well. i think this comes down to value for money for the taxpayer ana— value for money for the taxpayer anrlsrrrkes— value for money for the taxpayer andlstrikes me— value for money for the taxpayer andlstrikes me as— and it strikes me as unconscionable that we have and it strikes me as— unconscionable that we have 608 eennerrrers— unconscionable that we have 608 councillors across— unconscionable that we have 608 councillors across the uk that are councillors across the uk that narr— councillors across the uk that pare rnere— councillors across the uk that are paid more than the prime nrneer.— are paid more than the prime minister. now— are paid more than the prime minister. now if— are paid more than the prime minister. now if you paid 106 grana— minister. now if you paid 106 and a— minister. now if you paid 106 granr a year— minister. now if you paid 106 granr a yearr se— minister. now if you paid 106 grand a year, so 156 grand a wear— grand a year, so 156 grand a wear re— grand a year, so 156 grand a wear re nr— grand a year, so 156 grand a year to run the— grand a year, so 156 grand a year to run the country, why are you— year to run the country, why are you earn— year to run the country, why are you earn renr— year to run the country, why are you paid four times that to run a eennerre— you paid four times that to run a council? the— you paid four times that to run a council? the numbers don't add up, a council? the numbers don't add nn, eseeerarrw— a council? the numbers don't add up, especially when _ a council? the numbers don't add up, especially when i agree most snenra— up, especially when i agree most snenralnare— up, especially when i agree most should-paid more. - up, especially when i agree most should paid more. �*frr�*rigl should be paid more. well, refere— should be paid more. well, before we— should be paid more. well, before we get— should be paid more. well, before we get into that, when you the taxpayer who has no you ask the taxpayer who has no say in setting these these pay

bands this jobs bands because this is all jobs for boys, it's all done for the boys, it's all done behind closed doors. that's the nrerren. — behind closed doors. that's the prerren. kna— behind closed doors. that's the problem. and-idea- behind closed doors. that's the problem. and-idea that- dc" r: i: : that's the problem. and idea that we problem. and this idea that we nave— problem. and this idea that we nave re— problem. and this idea that we nawe re paw— problem. and this idea that we have to pay private sector wages problem. and this idea that we have ttheiy private sector wages problem. and this idea that we have tthe best.'ate sector wages problem. and this idea that we have tthe best. it's sector wages problem. and this idea that we have tthe best. it's the or wages problem. and this idea that we have tthe best. it's the garyiges to get the best. it's the gary rrneker— to get the best. it's the gary lineker argument. meanwhile we nave— lineker argument. meanwhile we nave re— lineker argument. meanwhile we nave re rrke— lineker argument. meanwhile we have to like suck— lineker argument. meanwhile we have to like suck it— lineker argument. meanwhile we have to like suck it up or we race— have to like suck it up or we race-rer— have to like suck it up or we face we ner— have to like suck it up or we face for not being as face jail for not being as reward.— face jail for not being as forward. our— face jail for not being as forward. our council tax all neenre— forward. our council tax all neenre-eare- forward. our council tax all people care about is people really care about is wneerre— people really care about is wheelie bins,— people really care about is wheelie bins, potholes, not gerrrne— wheelie bins, potholes, not gerrrng rrner— wheelie bins, potholes, not getting fined every time they park— getting fined every time they park enrsrre— getting fined every time they park outside the chemist. and rnsreae— park outside the chemist. and rnsrear we— park outside the chemist. and instead we getting taxed at every— instead we getting taxed at every interface— instead we getting taxed at every interface with with with rnreaneraew— every interface with with with bureaucracy to _ every interface with with with bureaucracy to pay these sorts of bureaucracy to pay these sorts er sararres— bureaucracy to pay these sorts er sararres .— bureaucracy to pay these sorts of salaries . now— bureaucracy to pay these sorts of salaries . now that salary of salaries. now that salary reesn-r— of salaries. now that salary eeesn-r pay— of salaries. now that salary doesn't pay for— of salaries. now that salary doesn't pay for itself. it's narr— doesn't pay for itself. it's rare rer— doesn't pay for itself. it's rare rer kw— doesn't pay for itself. it's paid for by the- doesn't pay for itself. it's paid for by the taxpayer. the raknawer— paid for by the taxpayer. the raknawer rs— paid for by the taxpayer. the taxpayer is being fined left, nonr— taxpayer is being fined left, rrgnr ana— taxpayer is being fined left, right and centre— taxpayer is being fined left, right and centre to stump up rnrs— right and centre to stump up we serr— right and centre to stump up we sen er— right and centre to stump up this sort of money. i think it's eennrererw— this sort of money. i think it's completely out— this sort of money. i think it's completely out of— this sort of money. i think it's completely out of order and do you— completely out of order and do you nenesrrw— completely out of order and do you honestly think, john, that a snake— you honestly think, john, that a single council— you honestly think, john, that a single council in— you honestly think, john, that a single council in this country wrrr— single council in this country wrrrlrnn— single council in this country will-run worse— single council in this country will run worse off top will be run worse off if the top saraw— will be run worse off if the top saraw was— will be run worse off if the top saraw enn— will be run worse off if the top salary was only 156,000 instead of salary was only 156,000 instead er seeeooe— salary was only 156,000 instead er sooeooe r— salary was only 156,000 instead of 500,000? i think we'd notice no difference.— of 500,000? i think we'd notice no difference. but— of 500,000? i think we'd notice no difference. but we could spend— no difference. but we could spend arr— no difference. but we could spend all that— no difference. but we could spend all that money on public sewrees— spend all that money on public sewrees ane— spend all that money on public services and that's— spend all that money on public services and that's what people arena— services and that's what people care about potholes, not rrnanerar— care about potholes, not financial black holes. people care-enra— financial black holes. people care child protection. care about child protection. look at the look the reaction

look at the look at the reaction last week to that couple who killed killed child killed their killed their child after after the court after it, after the court returned their child and the child was killed over christmas . more money spent on . we need more money spent on child protection is actually people do care about schools, primary schools, nurseries , primary schools, nurseries, secondary schools that there's a there's a there's a there's a wide there's a wide range of areas where there's underfunding. and the thing is, you can tell that we need more than £156,000 a year spent on the prime minister because look at the state of the country with the prime minister. we've had since 2010. so. so how about renn— since 2010. so. so how about renn rnsrear— since 2010. so. so how about john, instead of— tri; 70�*0 so how about john, instead of paying ti 70�*0 so how about john, instead of paying 600 grana— john, instead of paying 600 granr rer— john, instead of paying 600 granr rer a— john, instead of paying 600 grand for a council leader , we grand for a council leader, we we eer— grand for a council leader, we use we get there,— grand for a council leader, we use we get there, pay down to rse— use we get there, pay down to rse ana— use we get there, pay down to rse and spend— use we get there, pay down to 150 and spend 450 on child prereerren— 150 and spend 450 on child protection officers. well, we arrn-r— protection officers. well, we didn't spread— protection officers. well, we didn't spread the margarine ersewnere. — didn't spread the margarine elsewhere. that's surely the common sense— elsewhere. that's surely the common sense approach. people are common sense approach. people emprewen— common sense approach. people emprewea rr— common sense approach. people are employed if they're sacked, have the right to their redundancy. it's in their contract. just got the contract. that guy just got the redundancy his contract. redundancy in his contract. that's workers shouldn't that's right. workers shouldn't have their rights stripped from them, cleaners them, whether they are cleaners or whether they're chief executives. have your right or whether they're chief exrthe ives. have your right or whether they're chief exrthe employmente your right or whether they're chief exrthe employment protectiont or whether they're chief exrthe employment protection you to the employment protection you

have your contract in the way have in your contract in the way that we run these complicated services which do run from child protection through to land management , protection through to land management, do to management, you do need to attract people. nobody's ever going pay for councils the going to pay for councils the type of pay that's paid to the top chief executives in the private sector. but you do have to be competitive. was to be competitive. there was a time when the prime minister in the prime minister of the 20s, the prime minister of the 20s, the prime minister of the paid more the the uk, was paid more than the editor of the times. now the editor of the times. now the editor of the times. now the editor of the times is paid incredibly large of money incredibly large amount of money and is on this 146,000. and the pm is on this 146,000. now current pm the now our current pm is the richest prime minister in history . he's not cleverest history. he's not the cleverest prime minister history prime minister in history and he's through he's certainly not through salary. that's he's certainly not through salary . that's private equity. salary. that's private equity. rnar-s— salary. that's private equity. rnar-s anrre— 3 that's private equity. that's quite separate. ' r: that's quite separate. and he's ann— that's quite separate. and he's ann nrs— that's quite separate. and he's ann hrs-rs— that's quite separate. and he's and his is richer than king and his wife is richer than king charles. that's immaterial to rnrs— charles. that's immaterial to we .— charles. that's immaterial to we . naek— charles. that's immaterial to we . naek re— charles. that's immaterial to this . back to the— that's immaterial to this. back to the council . this. back to the council. nrne— this. back to the council. nrnee-wne- this. back to the council. prime -wife .- this. back to the council. . prime -wife . that's prime minister's wife. that's got nothing to do with with the price of cheese. yeah. let's rer-s— price of cheese. yeah. let's rer-s keen— price of cheese. yeah. let's rer-s keen en— price of cheese. yeah. let's let's keep on council- tri; t. yeah. let's let's keep on council all allocation— let's keep on council all allocation of— let's keep on council all allocation of funds you've had anrre— allocation of funds you've had anrre a— allocation of funds you've had anrre a wnrre— allocation of funds you've had quite a while to— allocation of funds you've had quite a while to talk. surely rne— quite a while to talk. surely rne awaken— quite a while to talk. surely the taxpayer, the council raknawer— the taxpayer, the council taxpayer- have i the taxpayer, the council taxpayer have a say taxpayer should have a say in rnrse— taxpayer should have a say in rnrse we.— taxpayer should have a say in rnrse we. wnw— taxpayer should have a say in this? no. why not? cc?" c this? no. why not? i don't think i don't think council taxpayers

should have any control over the pay pay in should have any control over the pay pay in their wages, pay of that pay in their wages, whether are social whether the staff are social workers whether the staff or workers or whether the staff or teachers the question the teachers is the question of the question pay is set by is question of the pay is set by is set by the market in that if you have vacancies you need to increase pay and we do in primary schools need to increase pay primary schools need to increase pay in secondary schools to employ teachers. employ maths teachers. these people in, they people aren't voted in in, they shouldn't be voted in. have shouldn't be voted in. we have we should have. we should have you have. correct. council chief executives aren't versed in and shouldn't be voted in council officers. wouldn't want social officers. i wouldn't want social workers versed in. want to workers versed in. i want to have councils where they set their own salaries, they? their own salaries, don't they? i they their own pay bands i mean, they their own pay bands knew— i mean, they their own pay bands knew rne— i mean, they their own pay bands know the council— i mean, they their own pay bands know the council officers. rnese— know the council officers. rnese paw— know the council officers. those pay bands- know the council officers. those pay bands are- know the council officers. those pay bands are negotiated nationally with the local government employers and they all agree on a great big fat pay band because they're all jobs for boys, because there's for the boys, because there's a majority of councillors of one party. we have collective, we nave— party. we have collective, we nave we— party. we have collective, we have we-unions- have we have unions and negerrarren— negotiation and unions negotiation— negotiation and unions- negotiation-salaries. negotiation end up in salaries. rnar-s— negotiation end up in salaries. that's-socialist- negotiation end up in salaries. that's socialist unions that's actually socialist unions rnar— that's actually socialist unions that—salaries. that give 600 grand salaries. wean— that give 600 grand salaries. yeah nobody's_ that give 600 grand salaries. yeah nobody's being paid 600 granr. — yeah nobody's being paid 600 granr. -knew— yeah nobody's being paid 600 grand. -know that.- yeah nobody's being paid 600 grand. 'r: yeah nobody's being paid 600- grand. -know that. and you're grand. you know that. and you're just well

just distorting that. well well, you say they're not well, when you say they're not being— well, when you say they're not nerne—wars- well, when you say they're not being _that's what i being paid that if that's what wenr— being paid that if that's what wenr-rs— being paid that if that's what wenr-rs ane- being paid that if that's what your is and that's what your package is and that's what wenr— your package is and that's what wenr-rs— your package is and that's what your is, redundancy. your package is, redundancy. rrs— your package is, redundancy. rr-s nee.— your package is, redundancy. rr-s nee. rrs— your package is, redundancy. it's not, it's not.— your package is, redundancy. it's not, it's not. it's- your package is, redundancy. it's not, it's not. it's annual pay- it's not, it's not. it's annual pay. it's a is for the rest pay. it's a is pay for the rest of his life. i'm always fascinated. now fascinated. now he's now redundant. always fascinated redundant. i'm always fascinated on how failure what happens when council leaders or anyone , quite council leaders or anyone, quite frankly, in the public sector, if you if your council fails , if you if your council fails, for example, is put into bankruptcy measures multiple times in the case of croydon, by the way, and then you see people wandering off into the sunset with very handsome packages. is that right? i definitely think- that right? i definitely think it that right? i definitely think rr rs— that right? i definitely think rr rs nee.— that right? i definitely think it is not. anyway, your rnenenrse— it is not. anyway, your thoughts? keep them coming in gb vrews— thoughts? keep them coming in gb vrews ar— thoughts? keep them coming in gb views at gbnews.uk. i'll have er— views at gbnews.uk. i'll have some of those— views at gbnews.uk. i'll have some of those in— views at gbnews.uk. i'll have some of those in too. but let me ask— some of those in too. but let me ask wen— some of those in too. but let me ask wen rnrs. — some of those in too. but let me ask wen rnrs. rr— some of those in too. but let me ask you this. if your— some of those in too. but let me ask you this. if your dog arraeker— ask you this. if your dog attacked your- ask you this. if your dog attacked your child , would you attacked your child, would you keep — attacked your child, would you keep rnen — attacked your child, would you keep rnen rne— attacked your child, would you keep them the dog , not the keep them the dog, not the enrrre— keep them the dog, not the enrrre see—

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watching. hello there. i'm michelle dewberry- t" r: i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping— michelle dewberry and i'm keeping wen— michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company till 7:00 renrenr— keeping you company till 7:00 tonight alongside me. martin nanrnew,— tonight alongside me. martin daubney, journalist and daubney, the journalist and rerner— daubney, the journalist and nerne-rearw- daubney, the journalist and former party mep, and former brexit party mep, and john— former brexit party mep, and john mcternan— former brexit party mep, and john mcternan is political john mcternan is a political srrareersr— john mcternan is a political strategist and— john mcternan is a political strategist and former adviser to tony— strategist and former adviser to renw bran.— strategist and former adviser to tony blair. lots— strategist and former adviser to tony blair. lots of— strategist and former adviser to tony blair. lots of you guys gerrrne— tony blair. lots of you guys eerrrne rn— tony blair. lots of you guys getting in touch— tony blair. lots of you guys getting in touch tonight, but not getting in touch tonight, but ner nanw— getting in touch tonight, but ner nanw er— getting in touch tonight, but not many of you— getting in touch tonight, but not many of you are in favour of the not many of you are in favour of we snar— not many of you are in favour of the smart motorway . as derek the smart motorway. as derek saws— the smart motorway. as derek saws rr— the smart motorway. as derek saws, rr anew— the smart motorway. as derek says, if they weren't retrofit rne— says, if they weren't retrofit rne narr— says, if they weren't retrofit the hard shoulders , why can't the hard shoulders, why can't anew— the hard shoulders, why can't rnew rnnese— the hard shoulders, why can't rnew rnnese an— the hard shoulders, why can't they impose an immediate 50 mile an new— they impose an immediate 50 mile an hour zone on speed limit on rne— an hour zone on speed limit on we nererwaws— an hour zone on speed limit on the motorways ?_ an hour zone on speed limit on the motorways ? oh gosh, i don't the motorways? oh gosh, i don't knew— the motorways? oh gosh, i don't knew new— the motorways? oh gosh, i don't know how much— the motorways? oh gosh, i don't know how much ._ the motorways? oh gosh, i don't know how much . i— the motorways? oh gosh, i don't know how much . i don't know know how much. i don't know wnren— know how much. i don't know wnren ene— know how much. i don't know which one i'd— know how much. i don't know which one i'd find— know how much. i don't know which one i'd find more annoying . rne— which one i'd find more annoying . rne se— which one i'd find more annoying . rne so nrre— which one i'd find more annoying . the 50 mile an— which one i'd find more annoying . the 50 mile an hour speed unn— . the 50 mile an hour speed rrnrr. r— . the 50 mile an hour speed limit. i don't— . the 50 mile an hour speed limit. i don't know. would that be limit. i don't know. would that re nnen— limit. i don't know. would that be much safer?— limit. i don't know. would that be much safer? i— limit. i don't know. would that be much safer? i don't think neenre— be much safer? i don't think people een— be much safer? i don't think people even really stick to rnese— people even really stick to these temporary speed measures anwwaw. — these temporary speed measures anwwaw. krenarr— these temporary speed measures anyway. richard says you need big nenew— anyway. richard says you need big nenew rer— anyway. richard says you need big money for big brains , but big money for big brains, but wen-re— big money for big brains, but wenre anrre— big money for big brains, but you're quite harsh. you you're sawrne— you're quite harsh. you you're sawrne rr— you're quite harsh. you you're saying it doesn't— you're quite harsh. you you're saying it doesn't apply to rnnnrne— saying it doesn't apply to running councils ? goodness me. running councils? goodness me. rearw— running councils? goodness me. nawr-nw— running councils? goodness me. nawr-nw eennerr- running councils? goodness me. daryl my council tax has daryl says my council tax has rsen— daryl says my council tax has ew— daryl says my council tax has rw rne— daryl says my council tax has risen by the maximum amount for the risen by the maximum amount for we rasr— risen by the maximum amount for we rasr re— risen by the maximum amount for the last nine years. _ risen by the maximum amount for the last nine years. how dare anew— the last nine years. how dare rnew eernrnanr— the last nine years. how dare they command wages? he says they command such wages? he says . ken-re— they command such wages? he says . ken-re saving?— they command such wages? he says . you're saying? pb— they command such wages? he says .you're saying? pb i— they command such wages? he says . you're saying? pb i don't know

.you're saying? pb i don't know wnar— .you're saying? pb i don't know wnar wenr— .you're saying? pb i don't know wnar wenr nae— .you're saying? pb i don't know what your name is.— .you're saying? pb i don't know what your name is. you're saying wen-e— what your name is. you're saying wenre apparen— what your name is. you're saying you're appalled with these sararres— you're appalled with these salaries and— you're appalled with these salaries and how can it be nonre— salaries and how can it be right? you're— salaries and how can it be right? you're asking that a enrer— right? you're asking that a enrer ease— right? you're asking that a chief exec of— right? you're asking that a chief exec of a— right? you're asking that a chief exec of a council can essenrrarrw— chief exec of a council can essentially earn- chief exec of a council can essentially earn more than the nrne— essentially earn more than the prime minister— essentially earn more than the prime minister for that conversation? will rumble on and on. conversation? will rumble on and r— conversation? will rumble on and r an— conversation? will rumble on and r an er— conversation? will rumble on and on. i am sure of that— conversation? will rumble on and on. i am sure of that by the way,— on. i am sure of that by the way, we're talking about wales earrw— way, we're talking about wales earrw en— way, we're talking about wales earrw en as— way, we're talking about wales early on as well. _ way, we're talking about wales early on as well. the wales act 2014— early on as well. the wales act zorr ana— early on as well. the wales act new and rne— early on as well. the wales act 2014 and the wales act 2017, newerwea — 2014 and the wales act 2017, devolved taxation and borrowing ewes— devolved taxation and borrowing ewes re— devolved taxation and borrowing nwes re rne— devolved taxation and borrowing powers to the welsh government and we — powers to the welsh government and the national— powers to the welsh government and the national assembly for wares— and the national assembly for wares rs. — and the national assembly for wares rs. r— and the national assembly for wales is. i think— and the national assembly for wales is. i think that means anar— wales is. i think that means rnar rn— wales is. i think that means that i'm right,— wales is. i think that means that i'm right, doesn't happen aren— that i'm right, doesn't happen erren. se— that i'm right, doesn't happen often. so when— that i'm right, doesn't happen often. so when it— that i'm right, doesn't happen often. so when it does, i'll eererrare— often. so when it does, i'll celebrate it.— often. so when it does, i'll celebrate it. john mcternan ant/wayw— celebrate it. john mcternan anywayr anar— celebrate it. john mcternan anyway, that was us talking arenr— anyway, that was us talking arenr rne — anyway, that was us talking about the state— anyway, that was us talking about the state of nhs in wales . rne— about the state of nhs in wales . rne answer— about the state of nhs in wales . the answer always seems to be, werr— . the answer always seems to be, new rrs— . the answer always seems to be, new is rne— . the answer always seems to be, well it's the tories.— . the answer always seems to be, well it's the tories. the tories nave— well it's the tories. the tories nave rreken— well it's the tories. the tories have broken everything, so when i have broken everything, so when r nenrer— have broken everything, so when r neneer wen,— have broken everything, so when i ponder them, why is the nhs in wares— i ponder them, why is the nhs in wares rn— i ponder them, why is the nhs in wares rn snen— i ponder them, why is the nhs in wales in such a— i ponder them, why is the nhs in wales in such a state? no one rearw— wales in such a state? no one rearrw ean— wales in such a state? no one rearrw ewe— wales in such a state? no one really can give me— wales in such a state? no one really can give me a straight answer to that. _ really can give me a straight answer to that. maybe you can at nene— answer to that. maybe you can at nene-rnenenrs— answer to that. maybe you can at home -thoughts as- answer to that. maybe you can at home thoughts as always. home your thoughts as always. verw— home your thoughts as always. verw weeerner — home your thoughts as always. very welcome. let's talk dogs, snark— very welcome. let's talk dogs, snarr wee— very welcome. let's talk dogs, snarr wee ne— very welcome. let's talk dogs, shall we? do you— very welcome. let's talk dogs, shall we? do you have one man's resa— shall we? do you have one man's resr rrrenr— shall we? do you have one man's best friend and— shall we? do you have one man's best friend and all— shall we? do you have one man's best friend and all that? well, a nas—

best friend and all that? well, a mum has come— best friend and all that? well, a mum has come under a little bit a mum has come under a little err er— a mum has come under a little err er rre— a mum has come under a little err er in, re— a mum has come under a little bit of fire, to put— a mum has come under a little bit of fire, to put it— a mum has come under a little bit of fire, to put it mildly, reanse— bit of fire, to put it mildly, because her— bit of fire, to put it mildly, because her dog, their dog bit ana— because her dog, their dog bit and attacked— because her dog, their dog bit and attacked their three year old and attacked their three year err eanenrer— and attacked their three year old daughter .— and attacked their three year old daughter. now, i am going to snew— old daughter. now, i am going to snew wen— old daughter. now, i am going to snew wen rne— old daughter. now, i am going to show you the image of this reanse— show you the image of this reanse r— show you the image of this because i think— show you the image of this because i think it needs a rrrrre— because i think it needs a rrrrre nrr— because i think it needs a little bit of— because i think it needs a little bit of context. but refere— little bit of context. but rerere r— little bit of context. but before i do— little bit of context. but before i do so,- little bit of context. but before i do so, i will just warn you,— before i do so, i will just warn wen rr— before i do so, i will just warn your rr wenre— before i do so, i will just warn you, if you're squeamish or nnser— you, if you're squeamish or nnser ar— you, if you're squeamish or upset at these— you, if you're squeamish or upset at these things, you might nernans— upset at these things, you might nernans-re— upset at these things, you might nernans-re reek— upset at these things, you might perhaps to look away from perhaps want to look away from wenr—wnrre- perhaps want to look away from wenr—wnrre r- perhaps want to look away from your—while i just. your screen. now, while i just snew— your screen. now, while i just snew-rnrs— your screen. now, while i just show-this image.- your screen. now, while i just show this image. right? so show you this image. right? so rnere— show you this image. right? so rnere wen— show you this image. right? so rnere you-i've— show you this image. right? so there you i've blurred the there you go. i've blurred the rrrrre— there you go. i've blurred the mere-enn- there you go. i've blurred the little-out, but- there you go. i've blurred the little out, but you little girl's face out, but you can-rne— little girl's face out, but you can-rne-rr- little girl's face out, but you can .the - if you're i can see the face if you're rrsrenrne— can see the face if you're listening, not— can see the face if you're listening, not watching. take my were— listening, not watching. take my were rer— listening, not watching. take my were rer re.— listening, not watching. take my word for it. it's— listening, not watching. take my word for it. it's quite a large tree— word for it. it's quite a large tree anar— word for it. it's quite a large bite that covers— word for it. it's quite a large bite that covers quite a lot of anar— bite that covers quite a lot of rnar rrrrre— bite that covers quite a lot of that little girl's— bite that covers quite a lot of that little girl's face. martin nanrnew— that little girl's face. martin nanrnew .— that little girl's face. martin nannnew , rne— that little girl's face. martin daubney , the mum involved , daubney, the mum involved, reerree— daubney, the mum involved, reereea re— daubney, the mum involved, decided to keep— daubney, the mum involved, decided to keep the dog, and it earrw— decided to keep the dog, and it rearrw nas— decided to keep the dog, and it really has divided— decided to keep the dog, and it really has divided opinion, not reasr— really has divided opinion, not reasr rn— really has divided opinion, not reasr rn ner— really has divided opinion, not least in her own— really has divided opinion, not least in her own family. if i make— least in her own family. if i make rr— least in her own family. if i make it less,— least in her own family. if i make it less, for— least in her own family. if i make it less, for example, about war— make it less, for example, about rnar ranrrw— make it less, for example, about that family and— make it less, for example, about that family and more as the eeneenr— that family and more as the concept generally, where do you sranr— concept generally, where do you sranr en— concept generally, where do you sranr en rre— concept generally, where do you stand on it? well,— concept generally, where do you stand on it? well, what happened in stand on it? well, what happened rn rnrs— stand on it? well, what happened in this instance— stand on it? well, what happened in this instance was— stand on it? well, what happened in this instance was that the dog— in this instance was that the reg was— in this instance was that the dog rrr. — in this instance was that the dog was ill. she- in this instance was that the dog was ill. she she maintains, and the daughter was pulling the dog's tail and baiting the dog. and the dog turned around and

bit the child. and i think in that and often times we that context and often times we see half of the dog injuries on humans are children. and the vast majority are 4 to 9 year olds. they're basically unaware of what's safe. they're children. they're learning boundanes. children. they're learning boundaries . and there i think we boundaries. and there i think we need bring in parental need to bring in parental responsibility. the responsibility. the responsibility of the owner who should be watching. i would i'm a cat person. i like cats. but i also saw story. sorry to interrupt. also saw story. - sorry to interrupt. you've arse seerw. — sorry to interrupt. you've got to sorry to interrupt. you've got re eer— sorry to interrupt. you've got re eer eer— sorry to interrupt. you've got re eer eer re— sorry to interrupt. you've got to get got to get— sorry to interrupt. you've got to get got to get this off my snee.— to get got to get this off my enesr. r— to get got to get this off my chest. i actually— to get got to get this off my chest. i actually saw a man renw.— chest. i actually saw a man reraw. k— chest. i actually saw a man reraw. k nne— chest. i actually saw a man today. a true story with a cat on today. a true story with a cat en a rear.— today. a true story with a cat on a lead. now,— today. a true story with a cat on a lead. now, i've seen that a rer.— on a lead. now, i've seen that a rer. r— on a lead. now, i've seen that a rer. r nean— on a lead. now, i've seen that a lot. i mean, who— on a lead. now, i've seen that a lot. i mean, who even does that? a ear— lot. i mean, who even does that? a ear en— lot. i mean, who even does that? a ear en a— lot. i mean, who even does that? a cat on a lead.— lot. i mean, who even does that? a cat on a lead. i— lot. i mean, who even does that? a cat on a lead. i thought it rearw— a cat on a lead. i thought it was really cruel.— a cat on a lead. i thought it was really cruel. but anyway, i areress. — was really cruel. but anyway, i ereress. rr— was really cruel. but anyway, i digress. it stops— was really cruel. but anyway, i digress. e grie g digress. it stops them getting chased by dogs getting ran chased by dogs and getting ran oven chased by dogs and getting ran over. so it's actually walking down street? yeah, it's down a high street? yeah, it's stopped down a high street? yeah, it's srennee nerrna— down a high street? yeah, it's stopped getting run- : " g tactic? yeah, it's stopped getting run over nrenerrw— stopped getting run overi pfopele_99t properly because they get sneeker— properly because they get spooked . "g properly because they get. spooked _anyhow, i properly because they get- spooked _anyhow, i think spooked easily. anyhow, i think in instance of danger in the instance of danger s dogs, staffordshires and all that, of people love those that, a lot of people love those dogs problem dogs and i have no problem whatsoever. i think leaving whatsoever. but i think leaving children with dogs, children alone with dogs, especially children alone with dogs, espearely

children alone with dogs, espe are statistically improvable who are statistically improvable the most at risk is the issue. so i think it's about response , so i think it's about response, bill ownership. and this mother wasn't being responsible because she wasn't in the room. the daughter pulled the tail of a sick dog, bit the dog. so really, i would say the mother should have been that should have been watching that that that and her that that dog and that and her daughter a hawk. she daughter like a hawk. she wasn't. to carry some wasn't. she has to carry some blame . where do you stand on it? blame. where do you stand on it? wen.— blame. where do you stand on it? werr. rarkrne— blame. where do you stand on it? well, talking about those cats on lead, was french poet on lead, there was a french poet in the century who liked to in the 19th century who liked to have lobster lead. he have a lobster on a lead. he said a lobster doesn't bark, but it does know the mysteries of the well thank you. very the deep. well thank you. very french and very poetic . but look french and very poetic. but look on this on this case, expanding our cultural kind of repertoires that we like it . our cultural kind of repertoires that we like it. i would our cultural kind of repertoires that we like it . i would take that we like it. i would take that we like it. i would take that dog away instantly. that's an irresponsible mother, not just simply because the child is injured, irresponsible for wanting to keep the dog. that dog should be put down. i don't think think child safety is think i think child safety is far more important than animal think i think child safety is far morei'm)ortant than animal think i think child safety is far morei'm an:ant than animal think i think child safety is far morei'm an absolutist nimal think i think child safety is far morei'm an absolutist onial welfare. i'm an absolutist on that. so you you definitely put the that. so you you definitely put rne ree— that. so you you definitely put

rne dog newn— that. so you you definitely put the dog down. not— so you you definitely put the dog down. not about when the saws rnr— the dog down. not about when the mom says, but hang— the dog down. not about when the mom says, but hang on a minute, rnrs— mom says, but hang on a minute, rnrs rs— mom says, but hang on a minute, rnrs rs inse— mom says, but hang on a minute, rnrs rs rnsr a— mom says, but hang on a minute, rnrs rs rnsr a dogw— mom says, but hang on a minute, this is just a dog, a— mom says, but hang on a minute, this is just a dog, a lovable dog— this is just a dog, a lovable reg anar— this is just a dog, a lovable dog rnar was— this is just a dog, a lovable dog that was ill— this is just a dog, a lovable dog that was ill and all the rese— dog that was ill and all the resr er— dog that was ill and all the rest of.that_ dog that was ill and all the rest of that doesn't wash rest of it that doesn't wash wrrn — rest of it that doesn't wash wrrn wen. — rest of it that doesn't wash wrrn wen. .ar- rest of it that doesn't wash with you. - at .fact i rest of it that doesn't wash- with you. - at .fact look with you. look at the fact look at with you. look at the fact look ar rne— with you. look at the fact look at the child's— with you. look at the fact look at the child's face,— with you. look at the fact look at the child's face, scarred for are — at the child's face, scarred for are lrnar— at the child's face, scarred for life .that-that- at the child's face, scarred for life .that-that that. at the child's face, scarred for. life .that-that that that life by that dog. that that that dog does deserve be put down dog does deserve to be put down for that. right. i'm going to rake— for that. right. i'm going to rake a— for that. right. i'm going to take a moment— for that. right. i'm going to take a moment then.- ?3 i'm going to take a moment then. i 3; i'm going to take a moment then. i think i've got take a moment then. i think i've eer a— take a moment then. i think i've eer a nrernre— take a moment then. i think i've eer a nrernre er— take a moment then. i think i've got a picture of the— take a moment then. i think i've got a picture of the dog because i got a picture of the dog because rwanr— got a picture of the dog because r wanr re— got a picture of the dog because i want to .whether- got a picture of the dog because i want to whether or not you i want to see whether or not you enanee— i want to see whether or not you enanne wenr— i want to see whether or not you change your mind— i want to see whether or not you change your mind when you see the change your mind when you see ene-rrs— change your mind when you see nne-res anrre— change your mind when you see the-it's quite cute,- change your mind when you see the it's quite cute, dog. the dog. it's quite cute, dog. reek— the dog. it's quite cute, dog. reek ar— the dog. it's quite cute, dog. look at that. _ the dog. it's quite cute, dog. look at that. everyone even if wen-re—anei you're not watching long and wen-e— you're not watching long and wenreen- rne- you're not watching long and you're on the radio you're listening on the radio rnsrear.— you're listening on the radio rnsrear. r— you're listening on the radio instead. i am— you're listening on the radio instead. i am not a dog person. i instead. i am not a dog person. r nnsr— instead. i am not a dog person. r nnsr eenessr— instead. i am not a dog person. i must confess. but— instead. i am not a dog person. i must confess. but even i see anar— i must confess. but even i see rnn-rne— i must confess. but even i see rnar-rne reg-s— i must confess. but even i see that the dog's name that dog. the dog's name is nan.— that dog. the dog's name is bart. suspicious.— that dog. the dog's name is bart. suspicious. look at bart. suspicious. and i look at it bart. suspicious. and i look at rr-r-n— bart. suspicious. and i look at rr-r-n nerne,— bart. suspicious. and i look at rr-r-n goingr on- bart. suspicious. and i look at it i'm going, oh, you little it and i'm going, oh, you little snee— it and i'm going, oh, you little enre anne— it and i'm going, oh, you little cute thing. yeah.— it and i'm going, oh, you little cute thing. yeah. so when you say— cute thing. yeah. so when you saw-rn— cute thing. yeah. so when you saw-r-nlren— cute thing. yeah. so when you say- i'm .ten and - cute thing. yeah. so when you say i'm ten and that dog say age, i'm at ten and that dog snenrr— say age, i'm at ten and that dog snenrrlnnr— say age, i'm at ten and that dog should i put down _ say age, i'm at ten and that dog should put down then you should be put down and then you see-judge— should be put down and then you see-rnaee-eee- see that dog judge that dog judge— see that dog judge that dog rnree—rrs- see that dog judge that dogi judge—its actions, judge that dog by its actions, we een-r— judge that dog by its actions, we een-r we— judge that dog by its actions, we don't we don't say the rerenranr— we don't we don't say the defendant is— we don't we don't say the defendant is guilty, but very enre. — defendant is guilty, but very enre. enr— defendant is guilty, but very cute. but just— defendant is guilty, but very cute. but just when you've reeked— cute. but just when you've reekee ar— cute. but just when you've looked at bart— cute. but just when you've looked at bart there, would you nenesrrw— looked at bart there, would you honestly still— looked at bart there, would you honestly still put— looked at bart there, would you honestly still put it down? i reeked— honestly still put it down? i reeked ar— honestly still put it down? i reeked ar r— honestly still put it down? i looked at i looked- honestly still put it down? i looked at i looked that- honestly still put it down? i looked at i looked that that dog will live as long as the will not live as long as the girl who's to live a whole girl who's going to live a whole full but a scar on

full life, but with a scar on her face permanently, because that black white that dog's very black and white there mctiernan. i there from john mctiernan. i mean, it was rather a cute “riii; .rir” iirt. " i mean, it was rather a cute sort of mean, it was rather a cute sort er snanrer. — mean, it was rather a cute sort er snanrer. r— mean, it was rather a cute sort of spaniel. i think.- mean, it was rather a cute sort of spaniel. i think. i- mean, it was rather a cute sort of spaniel. i think. i think the image you're portraying, john, was frothing the was a sort of frothing at the mouth of the baskerville, mouth hound of the baskerville, you some sort of deadly you know, some sort of deadly attack think that attack dog. and i think that that just heightens the point. this ordinary that this was an ordinary dog that was irritated a child and was irritated by a child and turned and what do. and turned and did what dogs do. and that shouldn't have left that mother shouldn't have left the alone for the dog or the child alone for the dog or an for the mother. the an asbo for the mother. the mother shouldn't be- the mother shouldn't be leaving a enra— mother shouldn't be leaving a enrrr-wrrn— mother shouldn't be leaving a enrra-wrrn a— mother shouldn't be leaving a child with a dog. child alone with a sick dog. rne— child alone with a sick dog. rne nearer— child alone with a sick dog. the mother has— child alone with a sick dog. the mother has to- child alone with a sick dog. the mother has to take- the mother has to take responsibility. fact she's responsibility. the fact she's sticking the me, sticking up for the dog to me, is covering her own guilt. yeah well, who's this? trevor says the well, who's this? trevor says ene-on — well, who's this? trevor says ene-on wen-re- well, who's this? trevor says the-oh, you're harsh,j the mother. oh, you're harsh, rever— the mother. oh, you're harsh, trevor. - blimey, - the mother. oh, you're harsh, trevor. blimey, the trevor. cor blimey, says the newer— trevor. cor blimey, says the mother-deserve- trevor. cor blimey, says the mother deserve either mother doesn't deserve either the mother doesn't deserve either rne enra— mother doesn't deserve either rne enrrr-ree. - mother doesn't deserve either the child dog. trevor the child or the dog. trevor saws— the child or the dog. trevor saws-mater— the child or the dog. trevor says-matter how- the child or the dog. trevor says matter how well trained says no matter how well trained a reg— says no matter how well trained a reg ean— says no matter how well trained a dog ree— says no matter how well trained adog dog rs— says no matter how well trained a dog can dog is, you can't arwaws— a dog can dog is, you can't arwaws rrnsr— a dog can dog is, you can't always trust the - a dog can dog is, you can't always trust the dog. 100% ean-r — always trust the dog. 100% ean-r ne — always trust the dog. 100% ean-r ne wen— always trust the dog. 100% can't. do you think that's i mean, i'm not— can't. do you think that's i mean, i'm not a- can't. do you think that's i mean, i'm not a dog person. i i een-r— mean, i'm not a dog person. i i een-r nave— mean, i'm not a dog person. i i don't have dogs.— mean, i'm not a dog person. i i don't have dogs. i'm quite rrrnnrenea— don't have dogs. i'm quite frightened of— don't have dogs. i'm quite frightened of dogs, actually, so i frightened of dogs, actually, so r een-r— frightened of dogs, actually, so r een-r knew— frightened of dogs, actually, so r een-r knew .— frightened of dogs, actually, so i don't know . but— frightened of dogs, actually, so i don't know . but dave says what i don't know. but dave says what is i don't know. but dave says what rs rne— i don't know. but dave says what rs rne rnnrn— i don't know. but dave says what rs rne going— i don't know. but dave says what is the mum going to tell her ranenrer— is the mum going to tell her daughter when— is the mum going to tell her daughter when she grows up?

seawee— daughter when she grows up? seared er— daughter when she grows up? scarred or dave— daughter when she grows up? scarred or dave says, what about wnar— scarred or dave says, what about wnar rr— scarred or dave says, what about wnar rr rnar— scarred or dave says, what about what if that dog— scarred or dave says, what about what if that dog goes to on arraek— what if that dog goes to on attack somebody else's child ? attack somebody else's child? wnar— attack somebody else's child? wnar rnen— attack somebody else's child? wnar rnen e— attack somebody else's child? what then 7 i— attack somebody else's child? what then ? i was bit by my what then? i was bit by my rrrene-s— what then? i was bit by my rrrenr-s ree— what then? i was bit by my rrrenr-s reg .— what then? i was bit by my friend's dog , says andy. the dog friend's dog, says andy. the dog nnr— friend's dog, says andy. the dog nnr newn— friend's dog, says andy. the dog was put down, but— friend's dog, says andy. the dog was put down, but the dog had arse— was put down, but the dog had arse rrrren— was put down, but the dog had also bitten their— was put down, but the dog had also bitten their cousin, the ranrrw— also bitten their cousin, the family cousin,— also bitten their cousin, the family cousin, before then. wow. awrr— family cousin, before then. wow. awrr saws— family cousin, before then. wow. awrr saws .— family cousin, before then. wow. awrr saws . r— family cousin, before then. wow. avril says . i had— family cousin, before then. wow. avril says . i had an amazing avril says. i had an amazing dog,— avril says. i had an amazing dogr rnr— avril says. i had an amazing een, in as— avril says. i had an amazing een, in as r— avril says. i had an amazing dog, but as it got older, it sranea— dog, but as it got older, it started biting— dog, but as it got older, it started biting me and i had to do started biting me and i had to re nw— started biting me and i had to re nw anew— started biting me and i had to re nw rnrw re— started biting me and i had to do my duty to both the dog and my do my duty to both the dog and nw ranrrw.— do my duty to both the dog and my family. people— do my duty to both the dog and my family. people she says, snenra— my family. people she says, should never,— my family. people she says, should never, ever leave a baby or should never, ever leave a baby er a enra— should never, ever leave a baby or a child with— should never, ever leave a baby or a child with a— should never, ever leave a baby or a child with a dog . do you or a child with a dog. do you agree— or a child with a dog. do you agree wren— or a child with a dog. do you agree with that— or a child with a dog. do you agree with that or not? is there anwene— agree with that or not? is there anwene enr— agree with that or not? is there anyone out there— agree with that or not? is there anyone out there that perhaps wenrr— anyone out there that perhaps wenrr re— anyone out there that perhaps wenrr re rn— anyone out there that perhaps would be in that— anyone out there that perhaps would be in that situation and rewes— would be in that situation and rewes rner— would be in that situation and loves their pet— would be in that situation and loves their pet so— would be in that situation and loves their pet so much that you nrenr— loves their pet so much that you nrenr-rne— loves their pet so much that you nrenr-rne-er- loves their pet so much that you might-the .of the - might take the side of the newer— might take the side of the nerner-saw, - might take the side of the mother say, well, actually mother and say, well, actually it mother and say, well, actually r was— mother and say, well, actually rr a— mother and say, well, actually rr a ene— mother and say, well, actually it was a one off.— mother and say, well, actually it was a one off. you might have reen— it was a one off. you might have been rn— it was a one off. you might have been rn rnar— it was a one off. you might have been in that situation version wenrserr. — been in that situation version wenrserr. _letl been in that situation versioni yourself. _let me yourself. get in touch. let me knew.— yourself. get in touch. let me knew-ean— yourself. get in touch. let me know. .can tweet- yourself. get in touch. let me know. can tweet me as well know. you can tweet me as well at know. you can tweet me as well ar wrenerre— know. you can tweet me as well at michelle dewberry. i'm going know. you can tweet me as well at askhelle dewberry. i'm going know. you can tweet me as well at ask youe dewberry. i'm going know. you can tweet me as well at ask you justvberry. i'm going know. you can tweet me as well at ask you just stop]. i'm going know. you can tweet me as well at ask you just stop oilm going know. you can tweet me as well at ask you just stop oil . going know. you can tweet me as well at ask you just stop oil . young to ask you just stop oil. you knew— to ask you just stop oil. you knew rne— to ask you just stop oil. you know the are— to ask you just stop oil. you know the are by— to ask you just stop oil. you know the are by now, don't they? 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know the are by now, don't they? let's-the chase.- know the are by now, don't they? let's-the chase. is- know the are by now, don't they? let's-the chase. is it- let's cut to the chase. is it rrne— let's cut to the chase. is it rrnelrarer— let's cut to the chase. is it time label groups time to label these groups rasrearrw— time to label these groups basically domestic terror ists or basically domestic terror ists er er— basically domestic terror ists er er nw— basically domestic terror ists or one of my panel says, no, new— or one of my panel says, no, new snenrr— or one of my panel says, no, they should be— or one of my panel says, no, they should be named domestic nerees— they should be named domestic nerees .— they should be named domestic nerees. r— they should be named domestic nerees r rer— they should be named domestic heroes. i bet you— they should be named domestic heroes . i bet you can. they should be named domestic heroes. i bet you can. i bet you nerr— heroes. i bet you can. i bet you can tell which— heroes. i bet you can. i bet you can tell which of— heroes. i bet you can. i bet you can tell which of my panel rnrnks— can tell which of my panel thinks which— can tell which of my panel thinks which .— can tell which of my panel thinks which . what do you think? thinks which. what do you think? i'll thinks which. what do you think? r-rr see— thinks which. what do you think? r-rr wen— thinks which. what do you think? r-rr wen .—

in two. hi i in two. hi there.j i in two.- hi there. i'm | n we.— hi there. i'm michelle dewberry, keenrne— hi there. i'm michelle dewberry, keeping wen— hi there. i'm michelle dewberry, keeping you company till 7:00 renew.— keeping you company till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, martin nannnew— tonight. alongside me, martin nanrnew .— tonight. alongside me, martin nannnew , rne— tonight. alongside me, martin daubney , the journalist and the daubney, the journalist and the name— daubney, the journalist and the former brexit— daubney, the journalist and the former brexit party mep, and john— former brexit party mep, and john mcternan— former brexit party mep, and john mcternan is a political srrareersr— john mcternan is a political srrareersr-a— john mcternan is a political strategist a former adviser strategist and a former adviser to strategist and a former adviser re renw— strategist and a former adviser re renw bran.— strategist and a former adviser to tony blair. you— strategist and a former adviser to tony blair. you know, we've rnsr— to tony blair. you know, we've rnsr reen— to tony blair. you know, we've just been talking— to tony blair. you know, we've just been talking about the dog rnar— just been talking about the dog rnar nrr— just been talking about the dog rnar err rne— just been talking about the dog that bit the child— just been talking about the dog that bit the child and what snenrr— that bit the child and what should happen— that bit the child and what should happen to it. i would say aernarrw— should happen to it. i would say aernarrw anar— should happen to it. i would say actually that you— should happen to it. i would say actually that you guys are arwrne— actually that you guys are arwrne .— actually that you guys are divine . founded on that one. divine. founded on that one. rrke— divine. founded on that one. rrrke sara— divine. founded on that one. rrrke sare wen— divine. founded on that one. mike said you didn't tell us wnar— mike said you didn't tell us wnar weer— mike said you didn't tell us what breed of— mike said you didn't tell us what breed of dog it was. a ske— what breed of dog it was. a cocker spaniel— what breed of dog it was. a cocker spaniel is- what breed of dog it was. a cocker spaniel is the answer. r-we— cocker spaniel is the answer. we eer— cocker spaniel is the answer. we eer re— cocker spaniel is the answer. we eer re re— cocker spaniel is the answer. i've got to be honest, i wenran-r— i've got to be honest, i wouldn't know one breed from anernee— wouldn't know one breed from another,idon't_ wouldn't know one breed from another, don't think. but another, i don't think. but wean— another, i don't think. but weanlwas— another, i don't think. but

yeah, was cocker spaniel. yeah, it was a cocker spaniel. no yeah, it was a cocker spaniel. we-arennr- yeah, it was a cocker spaniel. no-around when- yeah, it was a cocker spaniel. no around when it yeah, it was a cocker spaniel.- no-around when it comes no messing around when it comes to no messing around when it comes re-wsrernan— no messing around when it comes to mcternan, basically to john mcternan, he's basically sawrne— to john mcternan, he's basically sawrne rr— to john mcternan, he's basically sawrne re a— to john mcternan, he's basically sawrne rr a reg— to john mcternan, he's basically saying if a dog bites the child, put saying if a dog bites the child, nnr rr— saying if a dog bites the child, nnr rr newn— saying if a dog bites the child, put it down straight away. what did put it down straight away. what are wen— put it down straight away. what are wen inse— put it down straight away. what are wen rnsr sawe— put it down straight away. what did you just say? one bite. what wene— did you just say? one bite. what was your slogan? _ did you just say? one bite. what was your slogan? o�*ri i“ was your slogan? one bite in. ken-re— was your slogan? one bite in. ken-re enr. — was your slogan? one bite in. you're out. one— was your slogan? one bite in. you're out. one bite— was your slogan? one bite in. you're out. one bite in,- was your slogan? o�*ri " you're out. one bite in, you're ene.— you're out. one bite in, you're ens-derek— you're out. one bite in, you're ens-derek rs— you're out. one bite in, you're out.-derek is one- you're out. one bite in, you're out. derek is one of my out. well, derek is one of my rrsreners— out. well, derek is one of my rrsreners rn— out. well, derek is one of my listeners in durham. he says he is. listeners in durham. he says he rs. ne— listeners in durham. he says he rs. ne-ean— listeners in durham. he says he rs. ne-ean wen— listeners in durham. he says he is. he-can you ask- listeners in durham. he says he is. he can you ask john at is. he says, can you ask john at ren— is. he says, can you ask john at ren ana— is. he says, can you ask john at ren and a— is. he says, can you ask john at ten and a question— is. he says, can you ask john at ten and a question then if he saws— ten and a question then if he saws ene— ten and a question then if he saws erre— ten and a question then if he says one bite and— ten and a question then if he says one bite and you're out, rees— says one bite and you're out, erees-wen— says one bite and you're out, does-you should- says one bite and you're out, does you should bring does he say you should bring bask— does he say you should bring rask sanrrar— does he say you should bring back capital punishment then for enra— back capital punishment then for snrrr-rs— back capital punishment then for snrrr-rs ne— back capital punishment then for child-is no. why- back capital punishment then for child is no. why i'm child murderers is no. why i'm aearnsr— child murderers is no. why i'm against capital— child murderers is no. why i'm against capital punishment for any against capital punishment for anw nnnan— against capital punishment for any human being . all right. so any human being. all right. so wen-r— any human being. all right. so wen-r nne— any human being. all right. so wen-r nnr a— any human being. all right. so wen-r nnr a dog— any human being. all right. so you'd put a dog down if it bit senererw— you'd put a dog down if it bit somebody like— you'd put a dog down if it bit somebody like i— you'd put a dog down if it bit somebody like i said, if a human rennrea— somebody like i said, if a human rennrer ana— somebody like i said, if a human tortured and killed— somebody like i said, if a human tortured and killed another nnnan— tortured and killed another nnrnan anew— tortured and killed another human, they can live. yeah rnere-s— human, they can live. yeah there's-there's- human, they can live. yeah there's there's no offence in there's no there's no offence in wnrsn—re- there's no there's no offence in which—be capitali which there should be capital nnnrsnnenr— which there should be capital punishment-the. which there should be capital punishment which there should be capital- punishment-the uk has punishment anyway. the uk has aernarrw— punishment anyway. the uk has actually signed to an international can international treaty, so we can never back the death never bring back the death penalty. well, what you make penalty. well, what do you make of penalty. well, what do you make er—sene— penalty. well, what do you make er—sene er— penalty. well, what do you make er—sene er wen- of that logic? some of you nernans— of that logic? some of you nernans wrrr— of that logic? some of you perhaps will disagree, but some of perhaps will disagree, but some er wen— perhaps will disagree, but some er wen rn— perhaps will disagree, but some er wen r-n snee— perhaps will disagree, but some of you i'm sure, equally will agree — of you i'm sure, equally will gee —arel of you i'm sure, equally will- areeareg— sawrng agree. lots of people are saying for agree. lots of people are saying rer rne— agree. lots of people are saying rer rne rrrsr— agree. lots of people are saying for the first time— agree. lots of people are saying for the first time they agree wrrn — for the first time they agree wrrn wen. — for the first time they agree with you. tonight on that dog srrnarren.— with you. tonight on that dog situation. right.— with you. tonight on that dog situation. right. let's talk, snark— situation. right. let's talk, snarr wee— situation. right. let's talk, shall we? just— situation. right. let's talk, shall we? 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wnar— shall we? just happen. i know. wnar ara— shall we? just happen. i know. wnar are wen— shall we? just happen. i know. what did you just— shall we? just happen. i know. what did you just say? a clock. rrke— what did you just say? a clock. rrke lsresk— what did you just say? a clock. like l stock clock. _ what did you just say? a clock. like stock clock. yeah, like a stock clock. yeah, rneeer. — like a stock clock. yeah, indeed. right.- like a stock clock. yeah, indeed. right. just oil . indeed. right. just stop oil. rer-s— indeed. right. just stop oil. rer-s enr— indeed. right. just stop oil. rer-s snr re— indeed. right. just stop oil. let's cut to the— indeed. right. just stop oil. let's cut to the chase. we could sit let's cut to the chase. we could srr nere— let's cut to the chase. we could srr nere ana— let's cut to the chase. we could srr nere and r— let's cut to the chase. we could sit here and i can— let's cut to the chase. we could sit here and i can highlight all the sit here and i can highlight all rne gerngs— sit here and i can highlight all rne gerngs en— sit here and i can highlight all the goings on that they're gerng— the goings on that they're rang-wen— the goings on that they're doing,-you all- the goings on that they're doing, you all know and i doing, but you all know and i een-r— doing, but you all know and i een-r een— doing, but you all know and i don't even like— doing, but you all know and i don't even like to— doing, but you all know and i don't even like to give all rnere— don't even like to give all their ridiculousness much their ridiculousness too much nnnrrsrrw— their ridiculousness too much publicity, frankly. publicity, quite frankly. rnere-s— publicity, quite frankly. there's they're there's talk that they're nerenrrarrw— there's talk that they're. potentially - disrupt there's talk that they're- potentially - disrupt the potentially going to disrupt the nararnen— potentially going to disrupt the marathon—rest- potentially going to disrupt the marathon—rest of. potentially going to disrupt the marathon rest of it. marathon and all the rest of it. rn— marathon and all the rest of it. r-n-re— marathon and all the rest of it. r-n-re-rne- marathon and all the rest of it. i'm-to-the chase.| i'm going to cut to the chase. sene— i'm going to cut to the chase. sene neenre— i'm going to cut to the chase. some people are— i'm going to cut to the chase. some people are saying it's time anar— some people are saying it's time now that-should— some people are saying it's time now that-should be- some people are saying it's time now that should be labelled now that they should be labelled as .terrorists. _ now that they should be labelled as .terrorists. one _ now that they should be labelled as-terrorists. one of- now that they should be labelled as terrorists. one of my as eco terrorists. one of my nanerrrsrs— as eco terrorists. one of my panellists agrees and one of enen — panellists agrees and one of enen saws— panellists agrees and one of rnen saws, ne— panellists agrees and one of them says, no, they should be rarerrer— them says, no, they should be labelled eco _ them says, no, they should be labelled eco warriors, eco nerees— labelled eco warriors, eco nerees .— labelled eco warriors, eco heroes , domestic heroes, freedom heroes, domestic heroes, freedom rrgnrers— heroes, domestic heroes, freedom rrgnrers .— heroes, domestic heroes, freedom rrgnrers . r— heroes, domestic heroes, freedom rrgnrers . r rer— heroes, domestic heroes, freedom fighters . i bet at— heroes, domestic heroes, freedom fighters . i bet at home you can fighters. i bet at home you can gness— fighters. i bet at home you can gness wnrsn— fighters. i bet at home you can guess which panel— fighters. i bet at home you can guess which panel member thinks wnrsn— guess which panel member thinks wnrsn ene— guess which panel member thinks wnrsn rn— guess which panel member thinks which one i'm going to start wren— which one i'm going to start wrrn wen— which one i'm going to start wrrn wen, renn— which one i'm going to start with you, john. you are not in rne— with you, john. you are not in we sann— with you, john. you are not in we sann er— with you, john. you are not in the camp of calling them eco rerrerrsrs.— the camp of calling them eco terrorists. no,— the camp of calling them eco terrorists. no, the— the camp of calling them eco terrorists. no, the thing about the terrorists. no, the thing about we rka— terrorists. no, the thing about we rka ane— terrorists. no, the thing about the ira and the— terrorists. no, the thing about the ira and the unionist terrorists— the ira and the unionist terrorists during the troubles anew— terrorists during the troubles was they wanted to kill people, destroye— was they wanted to kill people, destroy, destroy— was they wanted to kill people, destroy, destroy our country , destroy, destroy our country, sren — destroy, destroy our country, seen on, — destroy, destroy our country, sren err, wane— destroy, destroy our country, stop oil, want to— destroy, destroy our country, stop oil, want to save lives and rne— stop oil, want to save lives and save the planet— stop oil, want to save lives and save the planet . _ stop oil, want to save lives and save the planet . “car cc save the planet. they'll be looked back on, stop oil, be looked back on, stop oil, be looked back on in a centuries

time, maybe even sooner, as standing up for the right thing, standing up for the right thing, standing up for the right thing, standing up for the planet and trying to save a planet which we are destroying through burning fossil fuels. it's time to end the burning of fossil fuels. it's on big fossil it's time to take on big fossil fuel, big big fuel, big oil, big coal, big gas. it's time to change the way we run our economy and these people are part of the future. they're part they're trying to save us from our own actions. the terrorism act 2000 defines rerrensrn— the terrorism act 2000 defines rerrerrsn-rn— the terrorism act 2000 defines terrorism. -in and - the terrorism act 2000 defines terrorism. in and outside terrorism. both in and outside the terrorism. both in and outside rne wk— terrorism. both in and outside rne nk as— terrorism. both in and outside rne nk as rne— terrorism. both in and outside the uk as the use— terrorism. both in and outside the uk as the use or threat of er— the uk as the use or threat of er rne— the uk as the use or threat of one of the following things wnere— one of the following things wnere anew— one of the following things where they are— one of the following things where they are designed to rnrrnense— where they are designed to influence the _ where they are designed to influence the government, nrewrng—rnel influence the government,i proving _the road proving yourself to the road or to proving yourself to the road or re—rne— proving yourself to the road or re—rne nnrrre- proving yourself to the road or to _the public, the. to intimidate the public, the nselrnrear— to intimidate the public, the use-threat must- to intimidate the public, the use threat must be for the use or threat must be for the nnrnese— use or threat must be for the purpose advancing political purpose of advancing a political , religious, racial or ideological- , religious, racial or ideological . , religious, racial or- ideological-. and the ideological cause. and the snesrrrs— ideological cause. and the specific actions— ideological cause. and the specific actions are as follows. serrens— specific actions are as follows. serious violence— specific actions are as follows. serious violence against a nersen— serious violence against a person, serious— serious violence against a person, serious damage to property— person, serious damage to property .— person, serious damage to property , creating a serious property, creating a serious rrsk— property, creating a serious rrsk re— property, creating a serious rrsk re rne— property, creating a serious risk to the health and or safety of risk to the health and or safety er rne— risk to the health and or safety er rne nnrrrs— risk to the health and or safety of the public or— risk to the health and or safety of the public or a— risk to the health and or safety of the public or a section of rne— of the public or a section of rne nnrrrs. — of the public or a section of the public. and— of the public or a section of the public. and action designed to the public. and action designed re serrensrw— the public. and action designed to seriously interfere with or rrsrnnr— to seriously interfere with or rrsrnnr an— to seriously interfere with or disrupt an electronic system. we knew— disrupt an electronic system. we knew wnar— disrupt an electronic system. we know what these _ disrupt an electronic system. we know what these guys do just seen— know what these guys do just sren err— know what these guys do just stop oil whether— know what these guys do just stop oil whether it's, you know,

srennrng— stop oil whether it's, you know, srennrng a— stop oil whether it's, you know, srennrng a nrew— stop oil whether it's, you know, stopping a flow of— stop oil whether it's, you know, stopping a flow of traffic , stopping a flow of traffic, grnerng— stopping a flow of traffic, glueing yourself to a road is ner— glueing yourself to a road is ner rne— glueing yourself to a road is not the same— glueing yourself to a road is not the same as— glueing yourself to a road is not the same as the ira bombing sannargn— not the same as the ira bombing sannargn . — not the same as the ira bombing campaign . totally— not the same as the ira bombing campaign . r: ”fiii’x \ri:r campaign. totally different. no, no, hang on. because i just want to be clear before massacres. i know you disagree. the definition— know you disagree. the definition of— know you disagree. the definition of terrorism in this sennrrw— definition of terrorism in this sennrrw rs— definition of terrorism in this sennrrw rs ner— definition of terrorism in this country is not the ira bombing sannargn. — country is not the ira bombing campaign. that's— country is not the ira bombing campaign. that's not where the nerrnrrren— campaign. that's not where the definition starts— campaign. that's not where the definition starts and ends. i've inse— definition starts and ends. i've rnsr rear— definition starts and ends. i've rnsr rear wen— definition starts and ends. i've just read you and— definition starts and ends. i've just read you and glueing wenrserr— just read you and glueing wenrserr re— just read you and glueing yourself to the - just read you and glueing yourself to the road is out with the definition.— yourself to the road is out with the definition. you— yourself to the road is out with the definition. you think it's funny?— the definition. you think it's rnnnwe r— the definition. you think it's funny? r rer— the definition. you think it's funny? i bet you— the definition. you think it's funny? i bet you won't think rrs— funny? i bet you won't think is rnnnw— funny? i bet you won't think is rnnnw rr— funny? i bet you won't think it's funny if you _ funny? i bet you won't think it's funny if you was stuck in a rrarrrs— it's funny if you was stuck in a rare ran— it's funny if you was stuck in a traffic jam trying— it's funny if you was stuck in a traffic jam trying to get a rewea— traffic jam trying to get a rewer ene— traffic jam trying to get a loved one to— traffic jam trying to get a loved one to the hospital reanse— loved one to the hospital because you _ loved one to the hospital because you can't get ambulance and wen— because you can't get ambulance and you disrupted— because you can't get ambulance and you disrupted by these lot grnerng— and you disrupted by these loti grnerng—reasr glueing themselves to the road anwwaw. — glueing themselves to the road anwwaw. _justl glueing themselves to the road. anwwaw. _just when anyway. go on. martin just when people with with john on people agree with with john on dogs, he's just stopped making sense one. i'm i sense on this one. i'm sorry. i mean, and stop oil mean, and just stop oil themselves of completely lost themselves of completely lost the stop snooker themselves of completely lost tijust stop snooker themselves of completely lost tijust stop. stop snooker themselves of completely lost tijust stop. stopip snooker themselves of completely lost tijust stop. stop the snooker themselves of completely lost tijust stop. stop the marathon . . just stop. stop the marathon. just stop anyone getting to work this anymore. this isn't about oil anymore. it's narcissism . it's it's about narcissism. it's about creating the most disruption, the most social media clicks, the most media attention , and it's navel gazing

attention, and it's navel gazing and titled privileged, well—off people inflicting their luxury belief system on the working classes who just want to go to work. i just want to pay the bills . i, work. i just want to pay the bills. i, i just want to get by and you're right to draw up the subtlety on the definition of terrorism. causing terrorism. it isn't causing death explosions or other death by explosions or other means. and there is precedent in america. the eco terrorist section includes the earth liberation front . now they're a liberation front. now they're a group who set fire with oil things now just about all aren't set in fire, but they're smashing windows, they're causing damage to property suffragettes. they're stopping people. they were at the time classified a terrorist organisation, you remember, organisation, if you remember, by government the time. by the government at the time. the so the suffragettes were. and so there go . but they were there we go. but they were blowing up. are on blowing things up. this are on yet but what about making them accountable for the loss of revenue , the loss of life they revenue, the loss of life they have caused, loss of life. you're right. in ambulances that can't get their protest, can't get past their protest, the of revenue to the loss of revenue to individuals who can't get to work, taxi drivers delivery drivers, plumbers, decorators, the people who don't care about

saving the planet in as far as the bigger notion, they care about surviving themselves and they don't ever go to beijing. they don't ever go to india. the biggest polluters on the planet, they target soft middle class targets that fortnum and mason's harrods, the snooker so polite, try it down. the millwall. go on, get yourselves down the millwall and let's see what the working classes make of these tarquins then. then they'll get some justice, like some street justice, just like they in canning town when they did in canning town when they did in canning town when they on top of the tube they got on top of the tube weapon, were dragged down. weapon, they were dragged down. they a showing. they got a bit of a showing. now, i can't say with now, i can't say i agree with that, but i've got to say was that, but i've got to say i was cheering along when it happened because these people do not represent working represent ordinary working people. nobody represent ordinary working people. nobody. i think on this believes nobody. i think on this snew,— believes nobody. i think on this snew—er— believes nobody. i think on this snew—er your- believes nobody. i think on this show, of your viewers show, hardly any of your viewers snenrr— show, hardly any of your viewers snenrr-rn— show, hardly any of your viewers should-in mob- show, hardly any of your viewers should in mob justice. should believe in mob justice. we should believe in mob justice. we-rnsrrse— should believe in mob justice. we justice system and we have a justice system and neenre— we have a justice system and neenre-re— we have a justice system and people-be taken- we have a justice system and people be taken through people should be taken through the people should be taken through ene-nrenerrw. — people should be taken through the-properly. but- people should be taken through the properly. but if the the courts properly. but if the nerrse— the courts properly. but if the nerrse protest— the courts properly. but if the police protest, police nreresrrng— police protest, police protesting like the public do, but protesting like the public do, rnn-rrke- protesting like the public do, but-like the- but protesting like the suffragettes, the suffragettes are a _example - suffragettes, the suffragettes are a-example .- suffragettes, the suffragettes are a example . they were are a great example. they were regarded— are a great example. they were regarded by— are a great example. they were regarded by rne— are a great example. they were regarded by the political elite of regarded by the political elite

er rne— regarded by the political elite er rne nrne— regarded by the political elite of the time as— regarded by the political elite of the time as terrorist. yes, anew— of the time as terrorist. yes, rnew wee— of the time as terrorist. yes, they were standing in the mainstream.— they were standing in the mainstream. imagine looking back on mainstream. imagine looking back en-ekrrenrsrs— mainstream. imagine looking back on-extremists were- mainstream. imagine looking back on extremists were the on it. the extremists were the neenre—er- on it. the extremists were the neenre—er rne- on it. the extremists were thei people—ed the vote on it. the extremists were the- people_ed the vote to people who denied ed the vote to women. nowadays— people who denied ed the vote to women. nowadays the world is rnrnrng— women. nowadays the world is rnrnrnglrne— women. nowadays the world is burning-thelthis- women. nowadays the world is burning the this very burning at the at this very rnernenr— burning at the at this very rnernenr .— burning at the at this very moment , asia— burning at the at this very moment, asia is having record nears— moment, asia is having record nears ane— moment, asia is having record heats and there— moment, asia is having record heats and there are deaths rne— heats and there are deaths across the whole of asia. rnere-s— across the whole of asia. there's record - across the whole of asia. there's record heats in continental— there's record heats in continental america as well. rnere— continental america as well. rnere are— continental america as well. there are terrible things going on. there are terrible things going ana— there are terrible things going ana rne— there are terrible things going on. and the reason why people are—sennrrwl on. and the reason why people are—sennrrw rs are protesting in our country is anar— are protesting in our country is that-responsible- are protesting in our country is that-responsible .- are protesting in our country is that responsible . from that we are responsible. from rne— that we are responsible. from rne nrne— that we are responsible. from rne rrne er— that we are responsible. from the time of the— that we are responsible. from the time of the industrial revolution— the time of the industrial revolution _forl revolution onwards, for 250 wears— revolution onwards, for 250 years-pollution. revolution onwards, for 250 years-pollution ,l revolution onwards, for 250 years pollution , in years worth of pollution, in a lot years worth of pollution, in a rer er— years worth of pollution, in a rer er rne— years worth of pollution, in a lot of the damage, most of the damage— lot of the damage, most of the damage rnar-s— lot of the damage, most of the damage that's been done to the errnare— damage that's been done to the errnare nas— damage that's been done to the climate has-done,- damage that's been done to the climate has done, was been climate has been done, was been rene— climate has been done, was been renelns— climate has been done, was been renelns-rene— climate has been done, was been done-us,-done by- climate has been done, was been done us, done by the done by us, was done by the grerar— done by us, was done by the global-there's- done by us, was done by the global-there's beenj done by us, was done by the- global-there's been more global north. there's been more pollution in the last ten years from from britain from china than from britain since of the since the beginning of the industrial revolution. the global beginning the global north beginning in the last so so the last ten years. so so the pollution everywhere . think pollution is everywhere. think the industrial revolution- the industrial revolution rrengnr— the industrial revolution . rrengnr—kes the industrial revolution - rrengnr—kes r the industrial revolution- brought_yes, i do brought anything good? yes, i do rnrnk— brought anything good? yes, i do rnrnk rr— brought anything good? yes, i do rnrnk r are. — brought anything good? yes, i do think it did. i— brought anything good? yes, i do think it did. 3 c think it did. i thought it brought trade unions and socialism. that's a good thing. it brought trade. us. dan wootton-do. i it brought trade. us. dani wootton-do. you it brought trade. us. dan- wootton-do. you do make wootton. and you do. you do make me snie— wootton. and you do. you do make me snrre. r— wootton. and you do. you do make me smile. i have— wootton. and you do. you do make me smile. i have to— wootton. and you do. you do make me smile. i have to say it rrengnr— me smile. i have to say it brought increased life expectancy. c d

expectancy. it brought not initially trade initially increase after trade unions increase the quality , it unions increase the quality, it shrunk the heights of the average londoner by about six inches reduced life inches and it reduced life expectancy. but then it brought it. expectancy. but then it brought rr. rnen— expectancy. but then it brought rr. rnen rr— expectancy. but then it brought it. then it brought— 731g but then it brought it. then it brought after the us lot it. then it brought after the us rer een-r— it. then it brought after the us lot don't care— it. then it brought after the us lot don't care about that. i mean, most care- lot don't care about that. i mean, most care about. lot don't care about that. i mean, most care about the future. they care about the news. — future. they care about the future. _class. future. they care about the- future. _class people future. and working class people enen-renne— future. and working class people care _future. they- future. and working class people care future. they care care about the future. they care arena— care about the future. they care arenr rnere— care about the future. they care about their kids.— care about the future. they care about their kids. they care arenr— about their kids. they care about their— about their kids. they care about their grandchildren. they eae—rnewi care about their families. they sane—rans- care about their families. they care _fans carei care about millwall fans care arenr— care about millwall fans care about-future. - care about millwall fans care about future. ririi; care about millwall fans care- about-future. .you are you about the future. do you are you about the future. do you are you a fan? do sit there a millwall fan? do you sit there and stop oil? i'm and just stop oil? i'm fascinated to your views on fascinated to hear your views on that one will rumble that one. that one will rumble on on. oh, ken says it's on and on. oh, ken says it's well known that britain is not a major polluter globally, so why don't these guys go over and campaign at the countries that are in china's and places like that? philip says these guys are the liberal elite who despise anyone who don't share their point of view. one of you should send me your dog as well, and said that it did bite your child and you did decide to keep it. but your child was 30 and should have known better. you say 30.

john martin, thank you very much for the conversation. thank you, guys. i'm off tomorrow guys. at home. i'm off tomorrow on i'll see you on on friday, so i'll see you on monday. good evening. this is your latest-update- monday. good evening. this isi your latest-update from your latest weather update from the your latest weather update fromi ene—area the met office. my name is alex neakrn— the met office. my name is alex neakrn-wrrr— the met office. my name is alex deakin-will be— the met office. my name is alex deakin-will be a- the met office. my name is alex deakin will be a bit of deakin and it will be a bit of a snrrrw— deakin and it will be a bit of a snrrrw sran— deakin and it will be a bit of a chilly start tomorrow, but generarrw— chilly start tomorrow, but generarrw a— chilly start tomorrow, but generally a fine and sunny day. snrr— generally a fine and sunny day. srrrr anar— generally a fine and sunny day. still that easterly— generally a fine and sunny day. still that easterly breeze nakrng— still that easterly breeze making-feel- still that easterly breeze making feel fairly fresh making things feel fairly fresh on making things feel fairly fresh en rne— making things feel fairly fresh en rne rasr— making things feel fairly fresh on the east coast. high pressure srrrrng— on the east coast. high pressure srrrrng inse— on the east coast. high pressure srrrrng rnsr re— on the east coast. high pressure sitting just to the— on the east coast. high pressure sitting just to the north and aennr— sitting just to the north and aennr rne— sitting just to the north and around the high. wind around the high. that wind senrrnnrng— around the high. that wind continuing come in from the continuing to come in from the sass— continuing to come in from the easr. se— continuing to come in from the easr. se rrrsk— continuing to come in from the east. so brisk winds bringing a snrrrw— east. so brisk winds bringing a snrrrw reer— east. so brisk winds bringing a snrrrw reer re— east. so brisk winds bringing a chilly feel to sky— east. so brisk winds bringing a chilly feel to sky borough and sense— chilly feel to sky borough and semen rn— chilly feel to sky borough and cromer in particular. whereas rnnner— cromer in particular. whereas rnnner wesr— cromer in particular. whereas further west we'll have again the further west we'll have again we wrnas— further west we'll have again we wrnrs a— further west we'll have again the winds a little lighter for nese— the winds a little lighter for nesr nrases— the winds a little lighter for most places, though, it's a sea— most places, though, it's a srear era— most places, though, it's a clear old night— most places, though, it's a clear old night ,- most places, though, it's a clear old night , just some misty clear old night, just some misty senrrrrens— clear old night, just some misty conditions maybe— clear old night, just some misty conditions maybe the conditions maybe over the rennrnes— conditions maybe over the rennrnes .— conditions maybe over the pennines. it's— conditions maybe over the pennines. it's going stay dry pennines. it's going to stay dry nrerrw— pennines. it's going to stay dry nrerrw nnsn— pennines. it's going to stay dry pretty much everywhere. temperatures— pretty much everywhere. temperatures fall away. so temperatures will fall away. so reerrng— temperatures will fall away. so reerrng nesn— temperatures will fall away. so feeling fresh down to 2 or 3 eersrns— feeling fresh down to 2 or 3 celsius, even— feeling fresh down to 2 or 3 celsius, even in— feeling fresh down to 2 or 3 celsius, even in some towns and srrres— celsius, even in some towns and srrres ana— celsius, even in some towns and srrres and a— celsius, even in some towns and srrres and a rew— celsius, even in some towns and cities and a few pockets of nese— cities and a few pockets of rresr are— cities and a few pockets of frost are possible, particularly on frost are possible, particularlyi on _ across scotland on high ground across scotland ana— on high ground across scotland and nerrnern— on high ground across scotland and northern england. and the nrgn— and northern england. and the nrgn grennr— and northern england. and the nrgn grennr er— and northern england. and the high ground of northern england senrr—nrsrw- high ground of northern england could _ misty and l could be a little bit misty and nnrkw— could be a little bit misty and nnrkw rrrsr— could be a little bit misty and murky first thing— could be a little bit misty and murky first thing tomorrow. but anar— murky first thing tomorrow. but war—awn.- murky first thing tomorrow. but rnar—awaw. andl murky first thing tomorrow. but. that—away. and then that should clear away. and then generarrw— that should clear away. and then generally, sunshine that should clear away. and then

geneicome sunshine that should clear away. and then geneicome the sunshine that should clear away. and then geneicome the afternoon.ie that should clear away. and then geneicome the afternoon. we'll until come the afternoon. we'll sran— until come the afternoon. we'll sran re— until come the afternoon. we'll sran re see— until come the afternoon. we'll start to see cloud— until come the afternoon. we'll start to see cloud and perhaps some outbreaks— start to see cloud and perhaps some outbreaks of rain spilling in some outbreaks of rain spilling rn rren — some outbreaks of rain spilling rn rren rne— some outbreaks of rain spilling in from the east— some outbreaks of rain spilling in from the east into east angrra— in from the east into east angrra rn— in from the east into east anglia in the— in from the east into east anglia in the far south—east. rne— anglia in the far south—east. the possibility— anglia in the far south—east. the possibility of a little bit of the possibility of a little bit er nrse— the possibility of a little bit er nrsr en— the possibility of a little bit of mist on the— the possibility of a little bit of mist on the north sea coast as werr. — of mist on the north sea coast as werr. ana— of mist on the north sea coast as well. and certainly it will be as well. and certainly it will re snrrrw— as well. and certainly it will be chilly here— as well. and certainly it will be chilly here again, 11 to 12 regress— be chilly here again, 11 to 12 degrees ar— be chilly here again, 11 to 12 degrees at best.— be chilly here again, 11 to 12 degrees at best. some of the seasrar— degrees at best. some of the coastal resorts— degrees at best. some of the coastal resorts-9- degrees at best. some of the coastal resorts 9 or 10 coastal resorts only 9 or 10 eersrns— coastal resorts only 9 or 10 celsius,-further. coastal resorts only 9 or 10. celsius,-further west, celsius, whereas further west, agarn— celsius, whereas further west, agarn re— celsius, whereas further west, agarn re re— celsius, whereas further west, again, 16 to degrees. western again, 16 to 17 degrees. western seerrana— again, 16 to 17 degrees. western scotland, again— again, 16 to 17 degrees. western scotland, again likely see scotland, again likely to see rne— scotland, again likely to see the temperatures , the highest temperatures, arrnengn— the highest temperatures, although quite as high as although not quite as high as renw.— although not quite as high as reraw. rnen— although not quite as high as today. then that— although not quite as high as today. then that cloud and enrrreaks— today. then that cloud and outbreaks of— today. then that cloud and outbreaks of rain start to spill rnnner— outbreaks of rain start to spill further westwards as we go rnrengn— further westwards as we go rnrengn rne— further westwards as we go through the evening time and sewer— through the evening time and senrr rnen— through the evening time and could turn into— through the evening time and could turn into quite a wet sran— could turn into quite a wet sran re— could turn into quite a wet start to friday— could turn into quite a wet start to friday across parts of nennern— start to friday across parts of northern england and some heavy seewwens— northern england and some heavy seewrens rrkerw— northern england and some heavy showers likely to— northern england and some heavy showers likely to come into the sewn—ease,— showers likely to come into the south—east, too.— showers likely to come into the south—east, too. and that's how we ge— south—east, too. and that's how we ge rnre— south—east, too. and that's how we go into friday.— south—east, too. and that's how we go into friday. so a very arrrerenr— we go into friday. so a very different day— we go into friday. so a very different day for— we go into friday. so a very different day for scott, for rngranr— different day for scott, for england and— different day for scott, for england and whereas england and wales, whereas seerranr— england and wales, whereas scotland northern ireland scotland and northern ireland snrr— scotland and northern ireland srrrr-rrne— scotland and northern ireland still-fine and- scotland and northern ireland still fine and sunny, still largely fine and sunny, snrr— still largely fine and sunny, still-easterly- still largely fine and sunny, still easterly breeze as still that easterly breeze as were— still that easterly breeze as wet, rnr— still that easterly breeze as well, but without the sunshine srnsk— well, but without the sunshine srnsk nnaer— well, but without the sunshine stuck under this— well, but without the sunshine stuck under this rainy zone rnrengn— stuck under this rainy zone through lincolnshire, norfolk rnre— through lincolnshire, norfolk rnre nans— through lincolnshire, norfolk rnre nans er— through lincolnshire, norfolk into parts of yorkshire, lancashire _ into parts of yorkshire, lancashire ,- into parts of yorkshire, lancashire , we'll feel very lancashire, we'll feel very nreasanr— lancashire, we'll feel very nreasanr ar— lancashire, we'll feel very pleasant at all— lancashire, we'll feel very pleasant at all 10 or 11 celsius

rnnner— pleasant at all 10 or 11 celsius further south,— pleasant at all 10 or 11 celsius further south, some brighter snekks— further south, some brighter snerrs. nnr— further south, some brighter spells. but again, western seerranr— spells. but again, western scotland likely— spells. but again, western scotland likely to be warmest .

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