very good afternoon, everybody. patrick christys here with you on gb news for the next three hours. but here's what's coming your way. between 3 and 4. yes, what a place to start. dominic raab he's gone. i have a look at the allegations made against him which and his which were upheld and his reaction and i asked the reaction to it. and i asked the person question, raab person in question, has raab been ousted by snowflakes? in other news, our veterans , they other news, our veterans, they get raw deal left, right and get a raw deal left, right and centre. ask me. they've centre. if you ask me. they've been £8 million been given £8 million to basically after our basically help look after our our veterans. but when you consider the amount money we consider the amount of money we are to people come are giving to people who come across is that

across the channel, is that fair? other news, we are live fair? in other news, we are live from a protest as extinction rebellion takes to the streets yet again . we'll be bringing you yet again. we'll be bringing you updates from that and speaking to who are that to people who are at that protest to see, why really protest to see, well, why really and finally a load of this? and finally get a load of this? surely surely, surely this cannot reports are cannot be true. but reports are out that british libraries out today that british libraries are being asked to censor works that include references to the empire and colonialism. and frankly, british history. that can't be right. patrick christys on . gb news. get your emails on. gb news. get your emails coming in gb views at gbnews.uk . this time yesterday we had no idea what was in this robb report and now we do. do you feel as though _ report and now we do. do you feel as though dominic- do you feel as though dominic raab has been— feel as though dominic raab has been ousted— feel as though dominic raab has been ousted by— feel as though dominic raab has been ousted by snowflakes and if so, been ousted by snowflakes and if eeee— been ousted by snowflakes and if eeee eme— been ousted by snowflakes and if so, does this set— been ousted by snowflakes and if so, does this set a— been ousted by snowflakes and if so, does this set a very worrying— so, does this set a very worrying precedent ? c15 . so, does this set a very— worrying precedent ? gb views or worrying precedent? gb views or gbnews.uk? i'm going- worrying precedent? gb views or gbnews.uk? i'm going to- worrying precedent? c15 . [cw kiwi?» , i'm going to take a gbnews.uk? i'm going to take a deep— gbnews.uk? i'm going to take a deep ewe— gbnews.uk? i'm going to take a deep ewe mee— gbnews.uk? i'm going to take a deep dive into what— gbnews.uk? i'm going to take a deep dive into what the- [cw kiwi?» , i'm going to take a deep dive into what the civil service— deep dive into what the civil service ee— deep dive into what the civil service is really— deep dive into what the civil service is really like. cc; " service is really like. get your view— service is really like. get your views coming in on absolutely anything that i've just spoken about there as well, including our we do enough to

our veterans. do we do enough to support though ? support them now, though? headunes support them now, though? headlines with bethany . patrick, headlines with bethany. patrick, thank you . good afternoon. it's thank you. good afternoon. it's seei— thank you. good afternoon. it's seei. im— thank you. good afternoon. it's 3:01. i'm bethany— good afternoon. it's 3:01. i'm bethany elsey with your— 3:01. i'm bethany elsey with your top— 3:01. i'm bethany elsey with your top stories— 3:01. i'm bethany elsey with your top stories from the gb newsroom. alex— your top stories from the gb newsroom. alex chalk has been named— newsroom. alex chalk has been named ee— newsroom. alex chalk has been named as me— newsroom. alex chalk has been named as the new— newsroom. alex chalk has been named as the new justice eeeveievv— named as the new justice secretary following the resignation— secretary following the resignation of dominic raab, the mp resignation of dominic raab, the iii iev— resignation of dominic raab, the mp for cheltenham is currently a defence— mp for cheltenham is currently a defence minister— mp for cheltenham is currently a defence minister and before his eieeiien— defence minister and before his eieeiien vee— defence minister and before his election was a— defence minister and before his election was a barrister . for 14 election was a barrister. for 14 veere— election was a barrister. for 14 years iie-e— election was a barrister. for 14 years he's been— election was a barrister. for 14 years he's been filmed this eiiemeee— years he's been filmed this afternoon, arriving at the minieivv— afternoon, arriving at the minieivv ei— afternoon, arriving at the ministry of justice and oliver devien— ministry of justice and oliver nevien hee— ministry of justice and oliver dowden has been appointed as the new dowden has been appointed as the depuiv— dowden has been appointed as the depuiv prime— dowden has been appointed as the new deputy prime minister. he's euvveniiv— new deputy prime minister. he's currently serving— new deputy prime minister. he's currently serving as the chancellor— currently serving as the chancellor of- currently serving as the chancellor of the duchy of ieneeeiev— chancellor of the duchy of ieneeeiev .— chancellor of the duchy of lancaster . well, both lancaster. well, both appointments come after dominic ieeei— appointments come after dominic ieeei resigned— appointments come after dominic raab resigned from government ieiievvine— raab resigned from government ieiievvine en— raab resigned from government following an inquiry into iuiiving— following an inquiry into bullying allegations which found he eeiei— bullying allegations which found he eeiei in— bullying allegations which found he acted in an— bullying allegations which found he acted in an intimidating and aggressive— he acted in an intimidating and aggressive vev— he acted in an intimidating and aggressive way towards staff . aggressive way towards staff. it's understood— aggressive way towards staff. it's understood in one instance he it's understood in one instance ire eriiieisei— it's understood in one instance he criticised the— it's understood in one instance he criticised the work of civil serveris— he criticised the work of civil serveris es— he criticised the work of civil servants as utterly useless. he eise— servants as utterly useless. he was also found— servants as utterly useless. he was also found to— servants as utterly useless. he

was also found to have committed an abuse— was also found to have committed an abuse or misuse— was also found to have committed an abuse or misuse of power that undermined— an abuse or misuse of power that uriermirei er— an abuse or misuse of power that undermined or humiliated eiiieieis— undermined or humiliated officials in— undermined or humiliated officials in his— undermined or humiliated officials in his resignation ieiiev— officials in his resignation ieiier, iii— officials in his resignation letter, mr raab said in setting the threshold— letter, mr raab said in setting the threshold for— letter, mr raab said in setting the threshold for bullying solo this the threshold for bullying solo iris inquiry— the threshold for bullying solo this inquiry has— the threshold for bullying solo this inquiry has set a dangerous preeeieri— this inquiry has set a dangerous preeeieri, ire— this inquiry has set a dangerous precedent, he warned rishi sunak it precedent, he warned rishi sunak ii viii— precedent, he warned rishi sunak it will encourage— precedent, he warned rishi sunak it will encourage spurious sempieiris— it will encourage spurious complaints against ministers and reve— complaints against ministers and have a— complaints against ministers and have a shining— complaints against ministers and have a chilling effect on those driving— have a chilling effect on those driving evange— have a chilling effect on those driving change on behalf of the geverrmeri— driving change on behalf of the government and— driving change on behalf of the government and accepting mr ieeei-s— government and accepting mr raab's resignation, the prime iiirisier— raab's resignation, the prime minister agreed— raab's resignation, the prime minister agreed there were shortcomings— minister agreed there were shortcomings in the historic prees— shortcomings in the historic peess river— shortcomings in the historic process that had negatively erieeiei— process that had negatively affected everyone involved . affected everyone involved. viiiie— affected everyone involved. we iiie — affected everyone involved. while the liberal democrats are eeiiirp— while the liberal democrats are eeiiire rer— while the liberal democrats are eeiiire ier e— while the liberal democrats are calling for a by—election in pemirie— calling for a by—election in dominic raab's— calling for a by—election in dominic raab's constituency , dominic raab's constituency, isiier— dominic raab's constituency, isiier epi— dominic raab's constituency, esher and walton and the labour ieeier— esher and walton and the labour ieeier sir— esher and walton and the labour leader sir keir— esher and walton and the labour leader sir keir starmer, has eriiieisei— leader sir keir starmer, has criticised rishi— leader sir keir starmer, has criticised rishi sunak over what he criticised rishi sunak over what ire eeiiei— criticised rishi sunak over what he called indecision and weakness in— he called indecision and weakness in allowing mr raab to resign.— weakness in allowing mr raab to resign. vveii— weakness in allowing mr raab to resign. well the— weakness in allowing mr raab to resign. well the big question for resign. well the big question ier ripe— resign. well the big question for the prime— resign. well the big question for the prime minister is why he was so weak to— for the prime minister is why he was so weak to appoint him in the was so weak to appoint him in pipe risi— was so weak to appoint him in the first place. _ was so weak to appoint him in the first place. f: the first place. the second question for the prime minister is why didn't sack him? and now

it's left to dominic raab to resign and the prime minister hasn't acted. and it's that indecision , it's that weakness, indecision, it's that weakness, i think, that goes to the heart, not just of this prime minister, but of 13 years now of failure . but of 13 years now of failure. in other news, conservative mp julian— in other news, conservative mp rpiiep rpipiii— in other news, conservative mp julian knight has— in other news, conservative mp julian knight has said he does not julian knight has said he does per veri— julian knight has said he does per veer ripe— julian knight has said he does not want the tory— julian knight has said he does not want the tory whip rhiannon sieiei— not want the tory whip rhiannon sieiei epi— not want the tory whip rhiannon stated and that— not want the tory whip rhiannon stated and that he— not want the tory whip rhiannon stated and that he will not sippi— stated and that he will not sieri peein— stated and that he will not stand again at— stated and that he will not stand again at the next general eieeiier— stand again at the next general eieeiier .— stand again at the next general eieeiier . ii-s— stand again at the next general election . it's after— stand again at the next general election . it's after police election. it's after police ireppei— election. it's after police ireppei e— election. it's after police dropped a sexual assault eiiepeiiep— dropped a sexual assault allegation made against him . the allegation made against him. the mp allegation made against him. the iii rer— allegation made against him. the mp for solihull, _ allegation made against him. the mp for solihull, who was suspended— mp for solihull, who was suspended from the party over the suspended from the party over iiie eieirp— suspended from the party over the claim, had— suspended from the party over the claim, had always denied the eiieeeiierv— the claim, had always denied the allegation, describing it as raise— allegation, describing it as ieise epi— allegation, describing it as false and malicious . he's false and malicious. he's ivveeiei— false and malicious. he's tweeted today— false and malicious. he's tweeted today saying saying it's preservi— tweeted today saying saying it's brought untold— tweeted today saying saying it's brought untold damage to his pipvsieei— brought untold damage to his pivsieei epi— brought untold damage to his physical and mental health and caused— physical and mental health and caused pair— physical and mental health and caused pain and— physical and mental health and caused pain and distress to his iemiiv— caused pain and distress to his iemiiv .— caused pain and distress to his iemiiv . john— caused pain and distress to his family . john lewis has joined family. john lewis has joined aviva— family. john lewis has joined avive epi— family. john lewis has joined aviva and phoenix in cancelling iiieir— aviva and phoenix in cancelling their membership— aviva and phoenix in cancelling their membership of the cbi. it ieiievs— their membership of the cbi. it ieiievs e— their membership of the cbi. it follows a second— their membership of the cbi. it follows a second allegation of repe— follows a second allegation of rape reprie— follows a second allegation of rape meie pv— follows a second allegation of rape made by e— follows a second allegation of rape made by a woman working for the rape made by a woman working for iiie business— rape made by a woman working for the business group— rape made by a woman working for the business group ,_ rape made by a woman working for the business group , which was the business group, which was reperiei— the business group, which was reperiei pv— the business group, which was reperiei pv ire— the business group, which was reported by the guardian . the

reported by the guardian. the cei— reported by the guardian. the cei sevs— reported by the guardian. the cei says is— reported by the guardian. the cbi says it's working closely viii— cbi says it's working closely vviiir ripe— cbi says it's working closely with the police— cbi says it's working closely with the police to ensure any perpeireier— with the police to ensure any perpeireier is— with the police to ensure any perpetrator is brought to ivsiiee— perpetrator is brought to iusiiee. ir— perpetrator is brought to justice. in the- perpetrator is brought to justice. in the last half an heir— justice. in the last half an iieur ,— justice. in the last half an iieur , rise— justice. in the last half an hour , the unite- justice. in the last half an hour , the unite union has hour, the unite union has eeriirmei— hour, the unite union has confirmed that- hour, the unite union has confirmed that 1300 offshore vverersv— confirmed that 1300 offshore workers will— confirmed that 1300 offshore workers will stage a 48 hour spire— workers will stage a 48 hour sirive rem — workers will stage a 48 hour strike from monday . the walkout strike from monday. the walkout will strike from monday. the walkout viii presi— strike from monday. the walkout will affect oil— strike from monday. the walkout will affect oil and _ strike from monday. the walkout will affect oil and gas companies,- will affect oil and gas companies, including bp. shell and ierei— companies, including bp. shell and total unite's_ companies, including bp. shell and total unite's general seerererv— and total unite's general secretary sharon graham says the eeverrmerr— secretary sharon graham says the eeverpmerr eer— secretary sharon graham says the government can easily afford to give— government can easily afford to give steri— government can easily afford to give step e— government can easily afford to give sreri a pay— government can easily afford to give staff a pay rise, given rieir— give staff a pay rise, given their record _ give staff a pay rise, given their record profits. the union sevs— their record profits. the union sevs strive— their record profits. the union says strike action— their record profits. the union says strike action could result in preeuerier— says strike action could result in production shutdowns . in production shutdowns. meanwhile, _ in production shutdowns. meanwhile, the communication vververs— meanwhile, the communication workers union— meanwhile, the communication workers union says it has reached— workers union says it has reeeirei er— workers union says it has reached an agreement with royal iieii— reached an agreement with royal iieii er— reached an agreement with royal iieii ep pav— reached an agreement with royal iieii ep pev epi— reached an agreement with royal mail on pay and conditions. it ireiuies— mail on pay and conditions. it ireiuies e— mail on pay and conditions. it includes a 10%_ mail on pay and conditions. it includes a 10% pay rise over rivee— includes a 10% pay rise over three vers — includes a 10% pay rise over ripree vees e— includes a 10% pay rise over three years, a profit sharing egreemerr— three years, a profit sharing agreement and— three years, a profit sharing agreement and no compulsory reieriereies— agreement and no compulsory redundancies until at least apri— redundancies until at least aprii 20th,— redundancies until at least april 20th, 25. _ redundancies until at least april 20th, 25. union members viii— april 20th, 25. union members viii vere— april 20th, 25. union members viii vere er— april 20th, 25. union members will vote on the— april 20th, 25. union members will vote on the deal in the seeping— will vote on the deal in the coming weeks— will vote on the deal in the coming weeks with a recommendation to approve a defense— recommendation to approve a defence ministers from the

uvreire— defence ministers from the ukraine defence contact group are ukraine defence contact group iieiiirg— ukraine defence contact group are holding their— ukraine defence contact group are holding their fourth meeting.— are holding their fourth meeting. us- are holding their fourth meeting. us defence secretary iievi— meeting. us defence secretary iieve austin— meeting. us defence secretary lloyd austin is— meeting. us defence secretary lloyd austin is hosting the peering— lloyd austin is hosting the meerirg er— lloyd austin is hosting the meeting at the— lloyd austin is hosting the meeting at the ramstein air base in eermerv— meeting at the ramstein air base in germany, with— meeting at the ramstein air base in germany, with defence seerererv— in germany, with defence secretary ben _ in germany, with defence secretary ben wallace, also erreriirg— secretary ben wallace, also attending nato's secretary severe,— attending nato's secretary general, jens— attending nato's secretary general, jens stoltenberg says he general, jens stoltenberg says ire expects— general, jens stoltenberg says he expects ukraine to eventually peeerre— he expects ukraine to eventually peeerrre e— he expects ukraine to eventually become a member— he expects ukraine to eventually become a member of the alliance, but become a member of the alliance, per rirer— become a member of the alliance, per the ire— become a member of the alliance, but that the priority— become a member of the alliance, but that the priority is ensuring— but that the priority is ensuring it— but that the priority is ensuring it wins the battle egeirrsr— ensuring it wins the battle against russia— ensuring it wins the battle against russia . against russia. as important as this , cussing new platforms , it this, cussing new platforms, it is extremely important to ensure that all the platforms which are older in ukraine work and function as they should, meaning that we need ammunition, we need spare parts, we need fuel , we spare parts, we need fuel, we need maintenance , we need repair need maintenance, we need repair . at least three people have peer— . at least three people have peep int-pree— at least three people have been injured after a russian verpiere— been injured after a russian warplane accidentally fired a missiie— warplane accidentally fired a missile into— warplane accidentally fired a missile into the— warplane accidentally fired a missile into the city of peigerei— missile into the city of belgorod near the ukrainian perier— belgorod near the ukrainian perier .— belgorod near the ukrainian perier . irre— belgorod near the ukrainian border . the explosion belgorod near the ukrainian border. the explosion was caught on border. the explosion was caught err cerv— border. the explosion was caught err cciv erre— border. the explosion was caught on cctv and left— border. the explosion was caught on cctv and left a— border. the explosion was caught on cctv and left a 20 metre ereerr— on cctv and left a 20 metre crater across— on cctv and left a 20 metre crater across one— on cctv and left a 20 metre crater across one of the main

streets — crater across one of the main streets irre— crater across one of the main streets. the regional governor sevs— streets. the regional governor sevs repr— streets. the regional governor sevs reer seis— streets. the regional governor says four cars and _ streets. the regional governor says four cars and four eperirrerr— says four cars and four apartment buildings were damaged and apartment buildings were damaged eri ire— apartment buildings were damaged and the russian— apartment buildings were damaged and the russian defence ministry sevs— and the russian defence ministry sevs its— and the russian defence ministry says it's investigating what peppered— says it's investigating what ireppepee .— says it's investigating what happened . and kensington palace happened. and kensington palace has happened. and kensington palace ires reieesei— happened. and kensington palace has released a— happened. and kensington palace has released a new— happened. and kensington palace has released a new photo of the iere— has released a new photo of the iere re— has released a new photo of the iere re eeeer— has released a new photo of the late to queen mark what would ireve — late to queen mark what would ireve peer— late to queen mark what would have been her— late to queen mark what would have been her 97th birthday. it sirevvs— have been her 97th birthday. it sirevs rer— have been her 97th birthday. it shows her majesty with some of her grandchildren— shows her majesty with some of her grandchildren and great grandchildren,— her grandchildren and great grandchildren, including zara iirieii-s— grandchildren, including zara tindall's children, on the left, erre— tindall's children, on the left, and savannah— tindall's children, on the left, and savannah phillips seated on the and savannah phillips seated on rire egre— and savannah phillips seated on ripe rigirr. irre— and savannah phillips seated on the right. the photo was taken by the right. the photo was taken iv a...— the right. the photo was taken by the princess— the right. the photo was taken by the princess of— the right. the photo was taken by the princess of wales at eeimerei— by the princess of wales at balmoral last— by the princess of wales at balmoral last summer. you're up to balmoral last summer. you're up re dere— balmoral last summer. you're up re iere err— balmoral last summer. you're up re iere err ee— balmoral last summer. you're up to date on gb news. now it's peev— to date on gb news. now it's peer re— to date on gb news. now it's peer re .— back to. patrick |vieii.- back to. patrickj . well, there's back to. patrick well, there's only one place to start and gents, start today, ladies and gents, isn't there? and is with isn't there? and that is with pemirie— isn't there? and that is with dominic raab.— isn't there? and that is with dominic raab-there- c fies? and that is with dominic raab. there is loads dominic raab. but there is loads to dominic raab. but there is loads relap— dominic raab. but there is loads reler, se— dominic raab. but there is loads reler, se ire-s— dominic raab. but there is loads to at, so he's resigned as to go at, so he's resigned as peperv— to go at, so he's resigned as peperv prime— to go at, so he's resigned as deputy prime minister after a peiivirg— deputy prime minister after a bullying-found- deputy prime minister after a bullying found he bullying inquiry found that he had intimidating

had acted in an intimidating resirierr— had acted in an intimidating fashion with— had acted in an intimidating fashion with unreasonably and persisrerrriv— fashion with unreasonably and persistently aggressive conduct. but persistently aggressive conduct. per ieeeir— persistently aggressive conduct. but raab didn't— persistently aggressive conduct. but raab didn't go quietly. he sevs— but raab didn't go quietly. he sevs iris— but raab didn't go quietly. he says his departure sets a eergerees— says his departure sets a dangerous precedent because it sers— dangerous precedent because it sers e— dangerous precedent because it sers e iev— dangerous precedent because it sets a low threshold for peiivipg— sets a low threshold for bullying, which will encourage speriees— bullying, which will encourage spurious complaints . i'm going spurious complaints. i'm going to spurious complaints. i'm going re ireve— spurious complaints. i'm going re ireve e— spurious complaints. i'm going re ireve e ieep— spurious complaints. i'm going to have a deep dive throughout the to have a deep dive throughout rire seerse— to have a deep dive throughout the course of— to have a deep dive throughout the course of this— to have a deep dive throughout the course of this show into the ever— the course of this show into the erect rever— the course of this show into the exact nature of— the course of this show into the exact nature of the— the course of this show into the exact nature of the allegations meie— exact nature of the allegations meie egeirrsr— exact nature of the allegations made against him. what was epireiei— made against him. what was upheld, virer— made against him. what was upheld, what wasn't upheld, ieeeps— upheld, what wasn't upheld, peeps-re- upheld, what wasn't upheld, ieeeirs-re ie- upheld, what wasn't upheld, raabs-to it, and. upheld, what wasn't upheld, raabs to it, and have upheld, what wasn't upheld,- raabs-to it, and have a raabs response to it, and have a ieev— raabs response to it, and have a ieev es— raabs response to it, and have a ieev es veii— raabs response to it, and have a look as well at— raabs response to it, and have a look as well at civil— raabs response to it, and have a look as well at civil servant spirere. — look as well at civil servant spirere. is— look as well at civil servant culture. is it— look as well at civil servant culture. is it a— look as well at civil servant culture. is it a straight rerveri— culture. is it a straight forward as— culture. is it a straight forward as very demanding boss meets— forward as very demanding boss meers verv— forward as very demanding boss meets very woke— forward as very demanding boss meets very woke snowflake gepereriere— meets very woke snowflake generation? is— meets very woke snowflake generation? is it as simple as rirer— generation? is it as simple as the er— generation? is it as simple as the er is— generation? is it as simple as that or is there— generation? is it as simple as that or is there much, much more to that or is there much, much more re re— that or is there much, much more re pp joining— that or is there much, much more to it? joining me— that or is there much, much more to it? joining me now is our peiirieei— to it? joining me now is our political reporter— to it? joining me now is our political reporter catherine reser— political reporter catherine forster, who's— political reporter catherine forster, who's been all over iris— forster, who's been all over riris rer— forster, who's been all over riris rer es— forster, who's been all over this for us outside downing street— this for us outside downing street there. _ this for us outside downing street there. catherine, thank vee. — street there. catherine, thank vee. reev— street there. catherine, thank vee. ieev wiret— street there. catherine, thank you. look what is— street there. catherine, thank you. look what is the very, very ietesp— you. look what is the very, very latest, because— you. look what is the very, very latest, because that's been a pesv— latest, because that's been a busvv e— latest, because that's been a pesv, e pesv— latest, because that's been a busy, a busy shop front behind you— busy, a busy shop front behind vee rirere— busy, a busy shop front behind vee rirere se— busy, a busy shop front behind you there so today, hasn't you there so far today, hasn't it you there so far today, hasn't i e — you there so far today, hasn't i e ves.— you there so far today, hasn't i e ves. ir— you there so far today, hasn't it ? yes, it certainly- you there so far today, hasn't it ? “4115 c f it? yes, it certainly has. things have moved very fast and now we have new appointments to the vacated roles of deputy

prime minister and justice secretary. the new deputy prime minister is oliver dowden , a big minister is oliver dowden, a big supporter of rishi sunak. minister is oliver dowden, a big supporter of rishi sunak . very supporter of rishi sunak. very well—liked, a safe pair of hands . the new justice secretary is alex chalk again , a supporter of alex chalk again, a supporter of rishi sunak , mp for cheltenham, rishi sunak, mp for cheltenham, a massive promotion for him, but really quite a lot of fallout from dominic raab resignation, although the prime minister sent although the prime minister sent a acceptance letter singing his praises and very warm and effusive about his achievement, it's dominic raab's resignation letter was clearly very angry . letter was clearly very angry. he pointed out that of all the allegations, only two of them had actually been upheld. and of those two, he said it's two adverse findings are flawed and set a dangerous precedent for the conduct of good government .

the conduct of good government. now, it was specific while he was at the foreign office , it was at the foreign office, it was at the foreign office, it was found that he acted in a way which was intimidating and also at the minister of justice that on a number of occasions at meetings with policy officials, the deputy prime minister acted in a manner which was intimidating . and now dominic intimidating. and now dominic raabis intimidating. and now dominic raab is deeply unhappy . he wrote raab is deeply unhappy. he wrote a really excoriating piece in the telegraph which came out shortly after his his resignation . he was saying that resignation. he was saying that these complaints really shouldn't have been accepted because they hadn't been made at the appropriate time that normally there'd be a cut off for complaints that he'd never been warned previous albie that his behaviour would be seen as bullying . so he is clearly, bullying. so he is clearly, deeply arnie deeply unhappy. but rishi sunak will really want this all to go away. now and hope that he will be allowed to

focus on his five priorities because this is a huge distraction from those. yeah. look, catherine , thank you very, look, catherine, thank you very, very much. catherine forster our peiirieei— very much. catherine forster our political reporter— icy ”cf catherine forster our political reporter outside peering— political reporter outside downing street for us. catherine viii— downing street for us. catherine viii pe— downing street for us. catherine viii ire rirere— downing street for us. catherine will be there with— downing street for us. catherine will be there with any updates as will be there with any updates es erre— will be there with any updates es end when— will be there with any updates as and when we— will be there with any updates as and when we get them. but i ririrv— as and when we get them. but i think iris— as and when we get them. but i think this opens— as and when we get them. but i think this opens up a fascinating- think this opens up a fascinating conversation which we fascinating conversation which ve viii— fascinating conversation which we viii ire — fascinating conversation which we will be having throughout the course - show, which - we will be having throughout the course show, which is, course of this show, which is, islpessipie— course of this show, which is, islpossible to— course of this show, which is, islpossible to be- course of this show, which is, is possible to be a demanding is it possible to be a demanding r_0kav_ is it possible to be a demanding ,_okay sometimesi , driven man? okay sometimes pererrrieiiv— , driven man? okay sometimes potentially quite— , driven man? okay sometimes potentially quite blunt boss, erre— potentially quite blunt boss, ere eise— potentially quite blunt boss, and also not— potentially quite blunt boss, and also not fall foul of things iive— and also not fall foul of things iive ire— and also not fall foul of things like the definition of bullying rirer— like the definition of bullying the iris— like the definition of bullying that this report— like the definition of bullying that this report include ? and i that this report include? and i iesr— that this report include? and i iesr veer— that this report include? and i iesr verr re— that this report include? and i just want to say— that this report include? and i just want to say here, you know, in veep-s— just want to say here, you know, in raab's letter,— just want to say here, you know, in raab's letter, i— just want to say here, you know, in raab's letter, i had not once in raab's letter, i had not once in repr— in raab's letter, i had not once in fee erre— in raab's letter, i had not once in fee ere e— in raab's letter, i had not once in four and a half— in raab's letter, i had not once in four and a half years sworn or in four and a half years sworn er sireerei— in four and a half years sworn or shouted at— in four and a half years sworn or shouted at anyone and some key— or shouted at anyone and some rev eiiegeriers— or shouted at anyone and some key allegations that raab ieppies— key allegations that raab lobbies back— key allegations that raab lobbies back here. and i'm just going— lobbies back here. and i'm just geirrglreei— lobbies back here. and i'm just geirglreei-eer- lobbies back here. and i'm just going-read-out for- lobbies back here. and i'm just going read out for you going to read these out for you rigirr— going to read these out for you rigirr-ir— going to read these out for you rigirr-ir vee— going to read these out for you right-if you don't- going to read these out for you right if you don't mind, right now, if you don't mind, which— right now, if you don't mind, virieirlrirer— right now, if you don't mind, which lthat he— right now, if you don't mind, which that he says that there which is that he says that there vveslrriei— which is that he says that there wasltrialimedia- which is that he says that there was trial media initially, was a trial by media initially, so was a trial by media initially, se eivii— was a trial by media initially, so civil servants— was a trial by media initially, so civil servants were leaking irrerrrerier— so civil servants were leaking irrerrrrerierr ,— so civil servants were leaking information , some of it information, some of it eerrrpiereiv— information, some of it completely untrue to the press for completely untrue to the press rer ire— completely untrue to the press rer rire pesr— completely untrue to the press for the best part— completely untrue to the press for the best part of a year. he sevs— for the best part of a year. he sevs rirer— for the best part of a year. he sevs rirer ei— for the best part of a year. he says that air guidance didn't apply— says that air guidance didn't apply to— says that air guidance didn't eppiv re irirrr — says that air guidance didn't apply to him and that no claims

per— apply to him and that no claims per re— apply to him and that no claims were put to him _ apply to him and that no claims were put to him in— apply to him and that no claims were put to him in writing about peepie-s— were put to him in writing about people's allegations of misconduct— people's allegations of misconduct ,- people's allegations of misconduct , etcetera. people's allegations of misconduct, etcetera. he people's allegations of misconduct , etcetera. he says. misconduct, etcetera. he says. on rer— misconduct, etcetera. he says. on for occasions— misconduct, etcetera. he says. on for occasions he was told he rei— on for occasions he was told he irei e— on for occasions he was told he irei e eieerr— on for occasions he was told he had a clean bill— on for occasions he was told he had a clean bill of— on for occasions he was told he had a clean bill of health and the had a clean bill of health and rire erriv— had a clean bill of health and the only warnings he got that rirer— the only warnings he got that the might— the only warnings he got that that might have— the only warnings he got that that might have changed were trem— that might have changed were from informal— that might have changed were from informal tip— that might have changed were from informal tip offs. now, i do from informal tip offs. now, i ie veer— from informal tip offs. now, i ie verr re— from informal tip offs. now, i do want to pose— from informal tip offs. now, i do want to pose the question ierer— do want to pose the question ierer re — do want to pose the question ierer re err— do want to pose the question later to on the— do want to pose the question later to on the head of the eivii— later to on the head of the civil service _ later to on the head of the civil service union, the general seerererv.— civil service union, the general secretary. .whether- civil service union, the general secretary. whether or not secretary. so whether or not rireir— secretary. so whether or not their-employees- secretary. so whether or not their employees would not their own employees would not ireve— their own employees would not ireve e— their own employees would not have a case, a grievance to ieige— have a case, a grievance to ieige rere— have a case, a grievance to ieege irere ir— have a case, a grievance to lodge here if they had been esserrrieiiv— lodge here if they had been essentially dismissed or a reperr— essentially dismissed or a reperr rei— essentially dismissed or a report had found against them in that report had found against them in ire-eer— report had found against them in rirer-eer i— report had found against them in that-but i-want- report had found against them in that-but i-want to| that manner. but i also want to ireve— that manner. but i also want to ireve e— that manner. but i also want to ireve e griev— that manner. but i also want to have a quick look— that manner. but i also want to have a quick look at some of the i have a quick look at some of the i ririrv— have a quick look at some of the iririrrv mevpe— have a quick look at some of the i think maybe more— have a quick look at some of the i think maybe more interesting eierrerrs— i think maybe more interesting eierrerrrs er— i think maybe more interesting elements of the— i think maybe more interesting elements of the civil service i think maybe more interesting elen how; of the civil service i think maybe more interesting elen how; of tigo:ivil service i think maybe more interesting elen how; of tigo aboutervice i think maybe more interesting elen how; of tigo about their and how they go about their business — and how they go about their business. -help- and how they go about their business. help me do business. and to help me do iris— business. and to help me do iris-piped— business. and to help me do this,-joined-thel this, i'm joined now by the terrier— this, i'm joined now by the former editor— this, i'm joined now by the former editor of- this, i'm joined now by the former editor of the sun, kelvin meekerzie— former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie. kelvin,— former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie. kelvin, thank you verv— mackenzie. kelvin, thank you very-popping- mackenzie. kelvin, thank you vew-poppihqioh mackenzie. kelvin, thank you- verv—peppirglerr riris very much for popping up on this spew.— very much for popping up on this sirev-seeeri— very much for popping up on this show.-second now,- very much for popping up on this show. second now, believe show. any second now, i believe reivirr— show. any second now, i believe kelvin mackenzie,— show. any second now, i believe kelvin mackenzie, former kelvin mackenzie, the former eiirer—vviii- kelvin mackenzie, the former editor—will join. kelvin mackenzie, the former. editor—will join us. editor of the sun, will join us. yes:— editor of the sun, will join us. ves—rige- editor of the sun, will join us. yes,_right covm.| yes, there he is. right covid. ier-s— yes, there he is. right covid. ier-s-srerr— yes, there he is. right covid. let's-start with- yes, there he is. right covid. let's start with first let's just start with first things— let's just start with first things-pe- let's just start with first things-do you- let's just start with first things do you think that things first. do you think that rirere— things first. do you think that there viii— things first. do you think that there will-lot— things first. do you think that there will-lot of- things first. do you think that there will lot of very there will be a lot of very neerves— there will be a lot of very nervous-and- there will be a lot of very nervous and nervous nervous bosses and nervous peepie— nervous bosses and nervous peepie-vvne- nervous bosses and nervous people who reading people today who are reading vner— people today who are reading what constitutes— people today who are reading what constitutes bullying ? and

what constitutes bullying? and eirner— what constitutes bullying? and eirner vee— what constitutes bullying? and either you resign _ what constitutes bullying? and either you resign or will sack vou— either you resign or will sack vee reies— either you resign or will sack vee reies in— either you resign or will sack you rules in this— either you resign or will sack you rules in this day and age, vvnen— you rules in this day and age, when actually— you rules in this day and age, when actually a— you rules in this day and age, when actually a lot of people nignr— when actually a lot of people nignr sev— when actually a lot of people nignr sev rnis— when actually a lot of people might say this is— when actually a lot of people might say this is quite normal erriee— might say this is quite normal office behaviour— might say this is quite normal office behaviour . will �*" might say this is quite normal office behaviour. will �*" c office behaviour. well, if as it now emerges , i mean, this is now emerges, i mean, this is a shocking example , by the way, i shocking example, by the way, i don't think sunak emerges well out of this either. don't think sunak emerges well out of this either . okay. so out of this either. okay. so sunak wasn't prepared to say, as i suspect boris would have done actually get on with it. you know , you've only f g c you know , you've only been found know, you've only been found geiirv— know, you've only been found geiirv er— know, you've only been found geiirv er rvve— know, you've only been found guilty of two out— know, you've only been found guilty of two out of the eight eni— guilty of two out of the eight eni ir— guilty of two out of the eight end if ene— guilty of two out of the eight and if one of— guilty of two out of the eight and if one of them was considered— and if one of them was considered saying the words, you are considered saying the words, you erreriv— considered saying the words, you are utterly useless,— considered saying the words, you are utterly useless, then nenesriv,— are utterly useless, then honestly, within the civil service — honestly, within the civil service ,— honestly, within the civil service , i— honestly, within the civil service , i imagine that would service, i imagine that would prepepiv— service, i imagine that would probably apply_ service, i imagine that would probably apply to about 98.9% of rnen — probably apply to about 98.9% of rnen envvev— probably apply to about 98.9% of rnen envvev. — probably apply to about 98.9% of rnen envvev. se— probably apply to about 98.9% of them anyway. so what have they got to complain about? what they didn't like was the fact that he gave he gave colleagues a hard stare , you know what i mean? a stare, you know what i mean? a hard stare. okay. and if that's it, that's nothing. when you when you have big policy

decisions, you have big commercial decisions to make . commercial decisions to make. there is a lot of angst going on in the room. if you on the basis of dominic raab being fired, can i be honest with you? i rupert murdoch would have probably been fired. 28 million times. i mean, ihave fired. 28 million times. i mean, i have seen him in upload and rant and rave and everything and actually you just had to get on with it. why? because yes , it with it. why? because yes, it blew up. it blew down. and then you all moved on. what? the civil service are saying is we are not prepared to take any kind of irritability arnie for an error that has been made either on my can i ask kelvin, a lot of people can i ask kelvin and i think this is a really essential thing that i want to get from you. you are somebody vne— get from you. you are somebody vvne nes— get from you. you are somebody who has operated— get from you. you are somebody who has operated at— gric you are somebody who has operated at the sharp eni— who has operated at the sharp end er— who has operated at the sharp end er rne— who has operated at the sharp end of the british— who has operated at the sharp

end of the british media innerv— end of the british media iniesrrv. i— end of the british media industry. i hope you don't mind me seving— industry. i hope you don't mind me seving nev— industry. i hope you don't mind me saying now for— industry. i hope you don't mind me saying now for decades. okay. ani— me saying now for decades. okay. and-inveives— me saying now for decades. okay. and-involves an— me saying now for decades. okay. and involves an incredibly and that involves an incredibly nign— and that involves an incredibly nign erneenr— and that involves an incredibly high amount pressure , an high amount of pressure, an inereiipiv— high amount of pressure, an incredibly high— high amount of pressure, an incredibly high amount of pressureiokay.- incredibly high amount of pressure okay. is it pressure. okay. and is it pessipie— pressure. okay. and is it possible to— pressure. okay. and is it possible to operate in a job vvirn— possible to operate in a job vvirn rner— possible to operate in a job with that amount of pressure vvniisr— with that amount of pressure vniisr singing— with that amount of pressure whilst singing kumbaya to all his whilst singing kumbaya to all nis srerr— whilst singing kumbaya to all his staff all— whilst singing kumbaya to all his staff all the— whilst singing kumbaya to all his staff all the time? venice his staff all the time? well, nor.— his staff all the time? well, ieev. i— his staff all the time? well, ieev. i de— his staff all the time? well, look, i do think— his staff all the time? well, look, i do think things have changed, okay? as you as you nicely pointed out, i've been around for a long time. i think today's employees— around for a long time. i think today's employees and- r: jtq c i think today's employees and youngsters now today's employees and youngsters ie— today's employees and youngsters ie ner— today's employees and youngsters now do not want— today's employees and youngsters now do not want to— today's employees and youngsters now do not want to be told old vnen— now do not want to be told old vvnen rnev— now do not want to be told old when they have— now do not want to be told old when they have been made an when rnev— when they have been made an when rnev neve— when they have been made an when rnev neve neie— when they have been made an when they have made an— when they have been made an when they have made an error. ' r: when they have been made an when they have made an error. 'r: �*" they have made an error. and if rnev— they have made an error. and if rnev neve— they have made an error. and if they have made— they have made an error. and if they have made an error. and if they have made an error, they don't want to be told in a manner which they are unused to because their parents themselves have probably been very friendly to them. whereas my father spent five years in a prisoner of war camp. you know, he was he was a tough old nut. so i do recognise there's been a change. but clearly, clearly we sunak has,

has let raab hang out to dry. now the truth about the matter is that that i'm afraid that mr raab would not get in at the next election anyway. he came very close to it in 2019. he's a goner , i'm afraid. and. and he goner, i'm afraid. and. and he knew that. and i wonder whether he just said to himself, i've had enough of this. i'm just very interested to see whether he hangs on. i just wonder for i just wonder if there is more evidence for the kind of culture in the civil service that dominic raab says the public should be worried about. and i'm going to go into this— should be worried about. and i'm going to go into this in— should be worried about. and i'm going to go into this in a- going to go into this in a eeepie— going to go into this in a eeepie er— going to go into this in a couple of minutes with some evenpies— couple of minutes with some evenpies en— couple of minutes with some examples on the— couple of minutes with some examples on the screen. kelvin ner— examples on the screen. kelvin per er— examples on the screen. kelvin but of snowflake— examples on the screen. kelvin but of snowflake culture woke eeirere — but of snowflake culture woke eeirere nev— but of snowflake culture woke culture may be— but of snowflake culture woke culture may be getting in the way— culture may be getting in the vev er— culture may be getting in the vvev er peepie— culture may be getting in the way of people actually doing rnings— way of people actually doing rnings er— way of people actually doing rnings er e— way of people actually doing things or a pushback an iieeiegee— things or a pushback an ideologue radical difference perveen— ideologue radical difference between people in the civil service— between people in the civil service vne— between people in the civil service who are— between people in the civil service who are supposed to be rnere— service who are supposed to be rnere re— service who are supposed to be there to facilitate— service who are supposed to be there to facilitate government eni— there to facilitate government ene rne — there to facilitate government ene rne peepie— there to facilitate government and the people who are actually in gevernnenr— and the people who are actually in government look at the people vveven—

in government look at the people vveven nei— in government look at the people who've had issues— in government look at the people who've had issues with the civil service— who've had issues with the civil service recently.— who've had issues with the civil service recently. we've had rriri — service recently. we've had rriri peter— service recently. we've had priti patel, we've had suella. braverman,_had braverman, and now we've had peninie— braverman, and now we've had dennis-eni— braverman, and now we've had dominic-andlthink- braverman, and now we've had dominic and think there dominic raab and i think there is-ese re— dominic raab and i think there is-ese re sev- dominic raab and i think there is-case to say that- is a strong case to say that rnere— is a strong case to say that rnere is— is a strong case to say that there is more— is a strong case to say that there is more evidence for the vine— there is more evidence for the vine er— there is more evidence for the kind of obstructive behaviour of the kind of obstructive behaviour of rne eivii— kind of obstructive behaviour of the civil service— kind of obstructive behaviour of the civil service than there nevpe— the civil service than there maybelfor_ the civil service than there maybe for dominic raab being maybe is for dominic raab being a maybe is for dominic raab being e-psvenerie— maybe is for dominic raab being a-psychotic bully. - maybe is for dominic raab being a psychotic bully. a vicious, psychotic bully. i tier-s— a vicious, psychotic bully. i mean that'slvery- a vicious, psychotic bully. i mean that'slvery well, i a vicious, psychotic bully. i mean that's very well, first mean that's a very well, first of what is absolutely clear of all, what is absolutely clear in report is he's not in that report is he's not a vicious and psychotic bully. the truth about the matter is that even that case, he agrees. he never he never swore, he never raised voice . you try and raised his voice. you try and find somebody in in a position of authority with big issues crashing at them through their front door, who wouldn't feel aggravated at some point. but the you make is very good the point you make is very good . it simply that these . could it simply be that these are who, by the way, are people who, by the way, can't wait for conservative can't wait for the conservative knives and knives to be thrown out and they've seen an opportunity in in which to humiliate their in which case to humiliate their boss?i in which case to humiliate their boss? i suspect there's a lot of that in all this. however, i don't know. what i do know is that i have met mr raab, a couple of times and he is quite a quiet guy , but there's clearly

a quiet guy, but there's clearly a quiet guy, but there's clearly a lot pumping under him. i don't mind that . i want people the mind that. i want people the issue with the civil servants is the following. so i come in, i'm a minister. i say we must do this, we must do that . and the this, we must do that. and the first thing that civil servant will say, yes, yes, minister , will say, yes, yes, minister, very good idea. but but did you know about the 2010 rhubarb act? did you know about this? did you know about that? and if you are a driven person and you're in commercial life, you smash through the buts. well, if you're if your job in the civil service, you complain, you complain about the reaction that you got from the minister. kelvin, thank you. as ever. reivin— kelvin, thank you. as ever. kelvin mackenzie there, former eiirer— kelvin mackenzie there, former eiirer er— kelvin mackenzie there, former eiirer er ine— kelvin mackenzie there, former editor of the sun,— kelvin mackenzie there, former editor of the sun, giving a two part— editor of the sun, giving a two per eeenen — editor of the sun, giving a two part reaction. now— editor of the sun, giving a two part reaction. now what it's ire— part reaction. now what it's like-actually— part reaction. now what it's like-actually be- part reaction. now what it's like actually be a boss at like to actually be a boss at me— like to actually be a boss at rne rep— like to actually be a boss at rne rep eni— like to actually be a boss at the top end of— like to actually be a boss at the top end of a— like to actually be a boss at the top end of a very, very high pressure rep,— the top end of a very, very high pressure job, acknowledging wholeheartedly, pressure job, acknowledging whole have adly, pressure job, acknowledging whole have very _ pressure job, acknowledging whole have very much changed times have very much changed sine— times have very much changed reivin— times have very much changed since kelvin was— times have very much changed since kelvin was running reegnsnei— since kelvin was running roughshod but roughshod over fleet street, but eise—reiving- roughshod over fleet street, but also—talking abouti also as well, just talking about the also as well, just talking about rne—in- also as well, just talking about rne—in rnel the perceived culture in the eivii— the perceived culture in the civil service.— the perceived culture in the civil service. i'm— the perceived culture in the civil service. i'm going get civil service. i'm going to get more-actually- civil service. i'm going to get more actually with the more on that actually with the generei—rne- more on that actually with the general—the civili general secretary of the civil service— general secretary of the civil service union.— general secretary of the civil service union. think that's

service union. i think that's going— service union. i think that's going-a— service union. i think that's going a fascinating chat going to be a fascinating chat pesse— going to be a fascinating chat because there— going to be a fascinating chat because there -of- because there are a lot of er— because there are a lot of issues at play— because there are a lot of issues at play here. so i'm going— issues at play here. so i'm geingliriii— issues at play here. so i'm going drill down into that. going to drill down into that. per— going to drill down into that. per see— going to drill down into that. but some breaking news just sening— but some breaking news just sening-rignr- but some breaking news just coming right now, which coming to us right now, which is sner— that braintree district council nes—seen- that braintree district council has—court bid- that braintree district council has—court bid to. has lost a high court bid to prevenr— has lost a high court bid to prevenr sne— has lost a high court bid to prevent the government housing esvien— prevent the government housing asylum seekers— prevent the government housing asylum seekers in— prevent the government housing asylum seekers in wethersfield airfieii— asylum seekers in wethersfield airfield-this- asylum seekers in wethersfield airfield-this is- asylum seekers in wethersfield airfield-this is a- asylum seekers in wethersfield airfield this is a bit airfield in essex. this is a bit a airfield in essex. this is a bit e pig— airfield in essex. this is a bit e pig srerv— airfield in essex. this is a bit e pig srerv rer— airfield in essex. this is a bit a big story for us. _ airfield in essex. this is a bit a big story for us. i'm going to go a big story for us. i'm going to ge nev— a big story for us. i'm going to ge re— a big story for us. i'm going to ge re se— a big story for us. i'm going to go now to gb news home and seserirv— go now to gb news home and security editor— go now to gb news home and security editor mark white. he's going— security editor mark white. he's geing—er- security editor mark white. he's geing—er snis- security editor mark white. he's geing—er snis rel going to explain all of this to us.-you've been- going to explain all of this to us. you've been all over us. mark, you've been all over snis— us. mark, you've been all over snis serv— us. mark, you've been all over this story. this— us. mark, you've been all over this story. this has— us. mark, you've been all over this story. this has been a eeepiv— this story. this has been a deeply controversial topic and it deeply controversial topic and ir-ereeni— deeply controversial topic and it around whether or not it centres around whether or not the it centres around whether or not sne—sen— it centres around whether or not the _can, despite . the government can, despite massive objection, plonk massive public objection, plonk a massive public objection, plonk e—in— massive public objection, plonk a_in essentiallyi a migrant centre in essentially a migrant centre in essentially erevn— a migrant centre in essentially erevvn sner— a migrant centre in essentially a town that is— a migrant centre in essentially a town that is believed to be guise— a town that is believed to be quite entir— a town that is believed to be quite unfit for— a town that is believed to be quite unfit for it.— a town that is believed to be quite unfit for it. mark, take it quite unfit for it. mark, take is evev. — quite unfit for it. mark, take it away. what's— quite unfit for it. mark, take it away. what's just happened ? it away. what's just happened? reen— it away. what's just happened? veen. war,— it away. what's just happened? yeah, well, this— it away. what's just happened? yeah, well, this is— it away. what's just happened? / yeah, well, this is braintree district council, the local authority that covers that former raf base, whether wethersfield , which is just near wethersfield, which is just near the town of braintree in essex, they had sought an injunction at they had sought an injunction at the high court to stop these plans by the home office to put

1700 young male asylum seekers into this former raf base . the into this former raf base. the judge has just ruled after listening to evidence this earlier in the week that he has not got the jurisdiction in to pass that injunction to grant such an injunction. so he has ruled in the favour of the government here. now, does that mean that the government can go ahead and start putting asylum seekers into the base? well, it might , but we seekers into the base? well, it might, but we need to see really what the next move is from braintree district council. another potential opponents to this. there was a suggestion that they may seek a judicial review , too. at the high court review, too. at the high court at some point. they haven't indicated that they are definitely going to do that yet. but if they do that, clearly thatis but if they do that, clearly that is going to potentially delay the progress of these plans by the government. and patrick, you can't overstate

just how important these plans are for the home office dealing with a growing crisis of people coming across the english channel. we heard from the government lawyer earlier in the week that they're expecting 56,000 people to come across in small boats this year on top of the more than 45,000 who came last year. and they are they're estimating that as a result of that and other people already being housed within the asylum system, that they . will need system, that they. will need between 120 and 140 house his hotels and other suitable accommodation for these asylum seekers. so one thing they want to do as a matter of urgency is go and locate these bigger purpose built or specially adapted accommodation centres. ministry of defence bases, government owned land is one potential solution they see. but of course the local communities.

patrick don't want thousands of asylum seekers on their doorstep ehhen asylum seekers on their doorstep either. mark, thank you very , either. mark, thank you very, very much. mark white there. our neme— very much. mark white there. our nene seserirv— very much. mark white there. our home security editor,— ,sz ”cf mark white there. our home security editor, bringing you home security editor, bringing vee sner— home security editor, bringing you that breaking news about the nreinnee— you that breaking news about the braintree district— you that breaking news about the braintree district council iesing— braintree district council iesing iss— braintree district council losing its high court battle egeinsr— losing its high court battle egeinsr sne— losing its high court battle against the home office for neesing— against the home office for housing migrants in their area. nene— housing migrants in their area. iiere en— housing migrants in their area. iiere en sner— housing migrants in their area. more on that as— housing migrants in their area. more on that as we get it with iierv. — more on that as we get it with iierv. inenv— more on that as we get it with mark. thank you. _ more on that as we get it with mark. thank you. right now, ier-s— mark. thank you. right now, ier-s ges— mark. thank you. right now, let's get back— mark. thank you. right now, let's get back to— mark. thank you. right now, let's get back to that dominic iseeir— let's get back to that dominic iseep srerv. — let's get back to that dominic iseep srerv. i— let's get back to that dominic raab story. ijust— let's get back to that dominic raab story. i just wanted to neve— raab story. i just wanted to neve e— raab story. i just wanted to have a little— raab story. i just wanted to have a little look at the civil servise— have a little look at the civil service because _ have a little look at the civil service because this is what it seres— service because this is what it centres- really. - centres around really. obviously. _ obviously. dominic raab nenevieer— obviously. dominic raab behaviour towards civil servenrs— servants, but also what kind of envienrnenr— servants, but also what kind ofi environment—in? environment is he operating in? vies— environment is he operating in? viesleperering— environment is he operating in? vieslepereringlse- environment is he operating in? was operating so civil was he operating in so civil servenrs— was he operating in so civil servants-able- was he operating in so civil servants-able to- was he operating in so civil servants able to go on servants were able to go on nenireis— servants were able to go on nenireis er— servants were able to go on hundreds of quotes, wellness , hundreds of quotes, wellness, insiesien— hundreds of quotes, wellness, inclusion and— hundreds of quotes, wellness, inclusion and diversity courses enri— inclusion and diversity courses enrii jacob— inclusion and diversity courses until jacob rees—mogg got rid of men— until jacob rees—mogg got rid of snen iesr— until jacob rees—mogg got rid of snen iesr veer.— until jacob rees—mogg got rid of them last year. check out some of them last year. check out some er snese— them last year. check out some of these courses. _ them last year. check out some of these courses. so one was seiiei— of these courses. so one was called leading— of these courses. so one was called leading without authority . okay-— called leading without authority . ovev. ani— called leading without authority . okay. and there— called leading without authority . okay. and there were two seperere — . okay. and there were two separate courses as well called microaggressions_ separate courses as well called microaggressions and micro penevieers— microaggressions and micro penevieers .— microaggressions and micro behaviours . and there we go. behaviours. and there we go. iievpe— behaviours. and there we go. iievpe aien— behaviours. and there we go. maybe alan partridge took the

snes— maybe alan partridge took the course that we— maybe alan partridge took the course that we call her knowing ineving— course that we call her knowing me, knowing you,— course that we call her knowing me, knowing you, and one i think epprepriereiv— me, knowing you, and one i think appropriately named at the end snee— appropriately named at the end page, pess— appropriately named at the end there, just called— appropriately named at the end there, just called give me srrengrn.— there, just called give me srrengrn. n0,— there, just called give me strength. no, that is not my eesrien— strength. no, that is not my reaction. that— strength. no, that is not my reaction. that really is the er— reaction. that really is the name of one— reaction. that really is the name of one of- reaction. that really is the name of one of these training snes— name of one of these training courses that-got. - name of one of these training courses that got. so i'm courses that we've got. so i'm ieinei— courses that we've got. so i'm ieinei-pv— courses that we've got. so i'm ieinei-pv deve— courses that we've got. so i'm joined by dave penman, who joined now by dave penman, who is—sesrererv- joined now by dave penman, who is—sesrererv er- joined now by dave penman, who is_secretary of the. is the general secretary of the rive— is the general secretary of the roe-ene — is the general secretary of the fda who represents is the general secretary of the fda of ho represents is the general secretary of the fda of civil presents is the general secretary of the fda of civil servants. thousands of civil servants. peve, — thousands of civil servants. neve-vee— thousands of civil servants. neve-vee verv- thousands of civil servants. dave, you very much for dave, thank you very much for reining— dave, thank you very much for reining ne— dave, thank you very much for joining me. firstly— dave, thank you very much for joining me. firstly can i get veer— joining me. firstly can i get your reaction— joining me. firstly can i get your reaction to— joining me. firstly can i get your reaction to raab's resignerien— your reaction to raab's resignation,-.. your reaction to raab's resignation, . your reaction to raab's. resignation,-. an resignation, please. an astonishing— resignation, please. an astonishing turn of events today , actually, that the prime minister have having prevaricated for 24 hours allowed. dominic raab the space to allowed. dominic raab the space re pes— allowed. dominic raab the space re per nis— allowed. dominic raab the space to put his resignation— : dominic raab the space to put his resignation letter eer— to put his resignation letter ees ensi— to put his resignation letter out and without any counterbalance around the facts snes— counterbalance around the facts snes eiievei— counterbalance around the facts that allowed him _ counterbalance around the facts that allowed him to publish azooo— that allowed him to publish azooo veri— that allowed him to publish a2000 word critique of the eviese— a2000 word critique of the evidence, including potentially ieenrirving— evidence, including potentially identifying some— evidence, including potentially identifying some of the complainant- identifying some of the complainant without putting the eviiense — complainant without putting the eviiense eer— complainant without putting the eviiense ees ,— complainant without putting the evidence out , and then puts out evidence out, and then puts out a evidence out, and then puts out e iener— evidence out, and then puts out a letter essentially— a letter essentially congratulating him on his honourable— congratulating him on his honourable resignation. so i sen-r— honourable resignation. so i sen-r rhini— honourable resignation. so i don't think anyone- honourable resignation. so i don't think anyone who raised a complaint against dominic raab will think how the whole debacle has unfolded today is in any way

a meaningful or fair process for handung a meaningful or fair process for handling these sorts of complaints. have a look into er— complaints. have a look into er sne— complaints. have a look into some of the reports- riiiri�* have a look into some of the reports coming out eiens— some of the reports coming out eiees sne— some of the reports coming out about the civil— some of the reports coming out about the civil service , dave, about the civil service, dave, eni— about the civil service, dave, ene ine— about the civil service, dave, ene ine nev— about the civil service, dave, ene ine vev is— about the civil service, dave, and the way it operates. i've eeriinei — and the way it operates. i've outlined there _ and the way it operates. i've outlined there some pretty snevvrievev— outlined there some pretty snowflakey courses that people sneeii — snowflakey courses that people sneeii ge — snowflakey courses that people sneeii ge en— snowflakey courses that people should go on. one— snowflakey courses that people should go on. one official also seis— should go on. one official also seii snes— should go on. one official also said that they— should go on. one official also said that they were told to spend— said that they were told to spend e— said that they were told to spend a fifth— said that they were told to spend a fifth of- said that they were told to spend a fifth of their corporate epiesrive — spend a fifth of their corporate objective time _ spend a fifth of their corporate objective time working in serperere — objective time working in corporate identity motty neivervs— corporate identity motty networks and - corporate identity motty networks and to define goals to neve— networks and to define goals to neve sivii— networks and to define goals to make civil service— networks and to define goals to make civil service more insinsive— make civil service more inclusive. they said that they nei— inclusive. they said that they nee se— inclusive. they said that they nee ie speni— inclusive. they said that they had to spend 5%_ inclusive. they said that they had to spend 5% of this in a non innerv— had to spend 5% of this in a non pinerv nerves,— had to spend 5% of this in a non binary network, which included a rendering— binary network, which included a rendering e— binary network, which included a tendering a gender non—conforming book club and seieirering— non—conforming book club and celebrating non—binary awareness week— celebrating non—binary awareness week ensi— celebrating non—binary awareness week end i— celebrating non—binary awareness week ene iiesr— celebrating non—binary awareness week and i just wonder whether or week and i just wonder whether er ner— week and i just wonder whether er nes snee— week and i just wonder whether or not there is— week and i just wonder whether or not there is more evidence of a or not there is more evidence of e pir— or not there is more evidence of e pis er— or not there is more evidence of e pis ei e— or not there is more evidence of e pis ei e verv— or not there is more evidence of a bit of a work shy— or not there is more evidence of a bit of a work shy culture, espesieiiv— a bit of a work shy culture, especially given - a bit of a work shy culture, especially given that the civil servise— especially given that the civil servise nes— especially given that the civil service has around as of august 2022,— service has around as of august 2022, ereeni— service has around as of august 2022, around 1— service has around as of august 2022, around 1 in— service has around as of august 2022, around 1 in 10 people off vin— 2022, around 1 in 10 people off vvirn ieng— 2022, around 1 in 10 people off with long cowo— 2022, around 1 in 10 people off with long covid reportedly vnerner— with long covid reportedly whether there _ with long covid reportedly whether there is more evidence of whether there is more evidence ei sne— whether there is more evidence ei ine rinsi— whether there is more evidence of the kind of— whether there is more evidence of the kind of culture that dennis— of the kind of culture that dominic raab— of the kind of culture that

dominic raab was talking about snen— dominic raab was talking about inen inere— dominic raab was talking about inen snere is— dominic raab was talking about than there is about dominic raab being— than there is about dominic raab ieing e— than there is about dominic raab peing e peiiv— than there is about dominic raab peing e peiiv. — than there is about dominic raab being a bully . will i being a bully. well, i mean, you talk a bit snowflakey. i mean , i talk a bit snowflakey. i mean, i don't know how you how you define a snowflake, someone who can't take criticism, someone who blames everyone else for their own mistakes , someone who their own mistakes, someone who flops off in a huff. that's how dominic raab has responded to the criticisms that were levelled to him. so i think if there's any accusations of snowflake, you can accuse dominic raab of being one. look, the civil service is an organisation are 450,000 people. there's over 250 different organisations. there's over 250 different organisations . they do organisations. they do everything from collect your tax to benefits. you know, diplomats, school inspectors , diplomats, school inspectors, people who help make sure the health service runs. you're always going to find examples where you say, oh, that's ridiculous. that's a course that i don't understand or i don't like. when we ask like. i know that when we ask our members, they're working on average ten, 12 hours extra every single week and not getting paid for it. they've got the lowest pay in the public

sector . so want to talk sector. so if you want to talk about the civil service, let's deal of facts that deal with a lot of facts that the civil service, not just the odd you manage to odd course that you manage to find in mark okay. dave, can i just put find in mark okay. dave, can i iesi per se— find in mark okay. dave, can i iesi per re your— find in mark okay. dave, can i just put to you, there- �*" r: i dave, can i just put to you, there was a snee— just put to you, there was a snere es— just put to you, there was a snere e— just put to you, there was a there was a definition of serving— there was a definition of bullying that— there was a definition of bullying that was included in snis— bullying that was included in snis repen— bullying that was included in inis repen en— bullying that was included in this report on dominic raab. i'm just— this report on dominic raab. i'm just-read— this report on dominic raab. i'm just-readihow-- just going to read it now. iegirinere,— legitimate, reasonable and constructive— legitimate, reasonable and constructive _of i constructive criticism of a worker's performance will not erneenr— worker's performance will not erneen.r—- worker's performance will not men. is- worker's performance will noti amount_. it defines amount to bullying. it defines peiiving— amount to bullying. it defines bullying intimate hating or bullying as intimate hating or inspiring— bullying as intimate hating or insulting behaviour that makes an individual— insulting behaviour that makes an individual feel uncomfortable, frightened or iess— uncomfortable, frightened or less respected— uncomfortable, frightened or less respected or put down. so i sninv— less respected or put down. so i sninv e— less respected or put down. so i sninv e ies— less respected or put down. so i sninv e ier ei— less respected or put down. so i think a lot of people will see iner— think a lot of people will see snes es— think a lot of people will see that as potentially quite sepiesrive. — that as potentially quite subjective. could i just put one sning— subjective. could i just put one sning re— subjective. could i just put one rning re vee— subjective. could i just put one thing to you that— subjective. could i just put one thing to you that dominic raab has thing to you that dominic raab nes epvieesiv— thing to you that dominic raab has obviously bit— thing to you that dominic raab has obviously bit back, hasn't nee— has obviously bit back, hasn't nee arsen— has obviously bit back, hasn't he? after this— has obviously bit back, hasn't he? after this resignation? he sein— he? after this resignation? he seii snes— he? after this resignation? he seii snes ne— he? after this resignation? he said that he had— he? after this resignation? he said that he had a trial by neiie— said that he had a trial by neiie se— said that he had a trial by media so that— said that he had a trial by media so that there were leaks, nenv— media so that there were leaks, nenv er— media so that there were leaks, nenv ei snen— media so that there were leaks, many of them untrue, put out eiens— many of them untrue, put out eiees nin — many of them untrue, put out eiees nin in— many of them untrue, put out about him in the— many of them untrue, put out about him in the press before inis— about him in the press before snis repen— about him in the press before this report came— about him in the press before this report came out . the hr this report came out. the hr geiiense— this report came out. the hr guidance that— this report came out. the hr guidance that applied to evervpeev— guidance that applied to everybody else there didn't seem to aiiply— everybody else there didn't seem re eppiv re— everybody else there didn't seem re eppiv re nin—

everybody else there didn't seem to apply to him. no claims were put to apply to him. no claims were per se— to apply to him. no claims were per ie nin— to apply to him. no claims were per re nin in— to apply to him. no claims were put to him in writing. he to apply to him. no claims were put to him in writing . he says put to him in writing. he says snes— put to him in writing. he says snes en— put to him in writing. he says snes en repr— put to him in writing. he says that on four occasions he was rein— that on four occasions he was reisi ne— that on four occasions he was reisi ne nei— that on four occasions he was told he had a— that on four occasions he was told he had a clean bill of neeirn— told he had a clean bill of neeirn eni— told he had a clean bill of health and that- told he had a clean bill of health and that the only vvernings— health and that the only warnings he— health and that the only warnings he was given that seneining— warnings he was given that something might be a bit off was inreegn— something might be a bit off was through informal— something might be a bit off was through informal tip offs. and the through informal tip offs. and rne peepie— through informal tip offs. and the people whose complaints were ieveiiei— the people whose complaints were ieveiiei er— the people whose complaints were levelled at him,— the people whose complaints were levelled at him, dave , were not levelled at him, dave, were not seer-ess— levelled at him, dave, were not seer-ess se— levelled at him, dave, were not sepiesi re env— levelled at him, dave, were not subject to any kind of cross examination— subject to any kind of cross examination and were allowed nien— examination and were allowed union representation at the sine.— union representation at the sine. ii— union representation at the sine. n vee— union representation at the time. if you were now representing- time. if you were now representing dominic raab and not representing dominic raab and nes ene— representing dominic raab and nes er— representing dominic raab and nes ei veer— representing dominic raab and not one of your union members , not one of your union members, venis— not one of your union members, veeisi vee— not one of your union members, veeisi vee ner— not one of your union members, would you not concede that there is e— would you not concede that there is e preirv— would you not concede that there is a pretty serious— would you not concede that there is a pretty serious case here snes— is a pretty serious case here snes inis— is a pretty serious case here that this might— is a pretty serious case here that this might be a bit of a ssirsn— that this might be a bit of a sriisn ep— that this might be a bit of a sriisn up er— that this might be a bit of a stitch up or there would be had he stitch up or there would be had ne nes— stitch up or there would be had he not resigned— stitch up or there would be had he not resigned cases for unfair iisnisseie— he not resigned cases for unfair dismissal? so— he not resigned cases for unfair dismissal? so that's that shop snes— dismissal? so that's that shop snes vee— dismissal? so that's that shop inei vee rein— dismissal? so that's that shop that you talk about . i r?“ that you talk about. this is an independent report by a kc who was appointed by the prime minister, the prime minister, that dominic raab was the campaign manager for the prime minister, who appointed him as deputy prime minister, despite the fact that he knew there were concerns about conduct . so concerns about his conduct. so as prime minister, part as the prime minister, part of this raab, this conspiracy, dominic raab, says that no one ever told him

any issue. that's not what the report says. the report says he was on several occasions by was told on several occasions by two different permanent secretaries about concerns about his behaviour. and dominic raab has been touring the studios in advance this report, saying advance of this report, saying that no one ever raised any issue and that's been issue with him. and that's been dispelled by this report. so of course, you take dominic course, if you take dominic raab's one side of this version, you see, this an you can see, isn't this an outrage? isn't dominic raab being treated terribly? the deputy prime minister of the country civil country and those lowly civil servants done for him? servants have done for him? if you're civil servant and you you're a civil servant and you want raise complaint about want to raise a complaint about a the only place you a minister, the only place you can , there's no procedure. can go, there's no procedure. there's no there's nothing in guidance. have to get the guidance. you have to get the approval minister approval of the prime minister for be investigated. for even to be investigated. okay. just just. just one more, neve,— okay. just just. just one more, peve, ii— okay. just just. just one more, dave, if that's— okay. just just. just one more, dave, if that's all— just. just one more, dave, if that's all right. do dave, if that's all right. i do reeiiv— dave, if that's all right. i do really appreciate— dave, if that's all right. i do really appreciate time. really appreciate your time. inenv— really appreciate your time. inenv-verv- really appreciate your time. thank very much. really appreciate your time.- thank-very much. when thank you very, very much. when we thank you very, very much. when ve-ei— thank you very, very much. when ve-es sne— thank you very, very much. when ve-es ine peepie— thank you very, very much. when we-at the people in- thank you very, very much. when we at the people in recent we look at the people in recent ines— we look at the people in recent rines snes— we look at the people in recent times that the— we look at the people in recent times that the civil service eppeers—e- times that the civil service - appears—a massive appears to have had a massive prepien— appears to have had a massive problem _looking- appears to have had a massive problem looking at problem with, i'm looking at prenv— problem with, i'm looking at prenv-ieeving- problem with, i'm looking at pretty looking at pretty patel. i'm looking at seeiie—.- pretty patel. i'm looking at seeiie—. in- pretty patel. i'm looking at suella_. i'm at suella braverman. i'm looking at jacob— suella braverman. i'm looking at vesep—eni- suella braverman. i'm looking ati jacob—and-looking jacob rees—mogg and i'm looking at jacob rees—mogg and i'm looking er-iseei— jacob rees—mogg and i'm looking er-iseep ensi— jacob rees—mogg and i'm looking at-raab and from- jacob rees—mogg and i'm looking at-raab and from a- at dominic raab and from a senpiere—

at dominic raab and from a complete outsider's perspective , kyivv_ complete outsider's perspective , kyive is— complete outsider's perspective , kyivv ii venis— complete outsider's perspective , kyiv, it would appear as ineegn— , kyiv, it would appear as rneegn sne— , kyiv, it would appear as though the civil service might neve— though the civil service might neve e— though the civil service might have a problem— though the civil service might have a problem with anyone sening— have a problem with anyone sening in— have a problem with anyone coming in and— have a problem with anyone coming in and actually trying to enesi— coming in and actually trying to enesr er— coming in and actually trying to enact at conservative polc rs vvnisn— enact at conservative polc rs vvnisn venis— enact at conservative polc rs which would maybe imply that snee— which would maybe imply that snere is— which would maybe imply that snere is en— which would maybe imply that there is an ideological difference— there is an ideological difference between a lot of sivii— difference between a lot of civil service— difference between a lot of civil service staff and the peepie— civil service staff and the peepie iner— civil service staff and the people that they are supposed to be people that they are supposed to ire veering— people that they are supposed to ire veering rer. — people that they are supposed to be working for. and bear in mind snes— be working for. and bear in mind inei peepie— be working for. and bear in mind that people like— be working for. and bear in mind that people like dominic raab are that people like dominic raab esreeiiv— that people like dominic raab are actually elected. covid vveeii— are actually elected. covid vveeii vee— are actually elected. covid would you maybe concede that snee— would you maybe concede that snere is— would you maybe concede that snere is e— would you maybe concede that snere is e pig— would you maybe concede that there is a big ideological gap ensi— there is a big ideological gap ene e— there is a big ideological gap ene e iriesv— there is a big ideological gap and a block really between the sivii— and a block really between the sivii servise— and a block really between the civil service and— and a block really between the civil service and members of the senserverive— civil service and members of the conservative party— civil service and members of the conservative party and that snes-s— conservative party and that rner-s e— conservative party and that that's a problem for the voter? i that's a problem for the voter? i venis— that's a problem for the voter? i veeisi ner— that's a problem for the voter? i would not if— that's a problem for the voter? i would not if you're a civil servenp— i would not if you're a civil servenr, vee— i would not if you're a civil servant, you join- i would not if you're a civil servant, you join the civil servise— servant, you join the civil service knowing that you're going— service knowing that you're geing re— service knowing that you're geing re neve— service knowing that you're going to have to serve the gevernnenr— going to have to serve the government of— going to have to serve the government of the day. : government of the day. i started as government of the day. i started es e sivii— government of the day. i started as a civil servant in 1985, before i started working for unions. if i'd been in the civil service all that time, the vast majority of the time that i was there, i'd have been working for a conservative government. the idea of idea that there's some kind of ideological block is just

nonsensical. what was issued obe priti she shouted and priti patel, she shouted and swore at staff that was found through an indepen pendent investigation. jacob rees—mogg left insulting and demeaning comments on people's desks . left insulting and demeaning comments on people's desks. i don't know what the issue was. suella braverman is because civil servants are loyally serving her and implementing her policies. yeah, serving her and implementing her policies . yeah, again, it does policies. yeah, again, it does eppeer— policies. yeah, again, it does eppeer re— policies. yeah, again, it does eppeer re ire— policies. yeah, again, it does appear to be quite- ii. yeah, again, it does appear to be quite subjective. revisi— appear to be quite subjective. irevii. i— appear to be quite subjective. irevii. i sie— appear to be quite subjective. david. i do take— appear to be quite subjective. david. i do take what you're sayingr— david. i do take what you're sayingr per— david. i do take what you're sayingr per i— david. i do take what you're saying, but i think the idea of ieeving— saying, but i think the idea of ieeving e— saying, but i think the idea of leaving a note— saying, but i think the idea of leaving a note on— saying, but i think the idea of leaving a note on someone's desk to leaving a note on someone's desk re-i-n— leaving a note on someone's desk re-i-n-i— leaving a note on someone's desk re-i-n-i nissei- leaving a note on someone's desk to-i'm-i missed you- to say, i'm sorry i missed you iresse— to say, i'm sorry i missed you ireseese—erl to say, i'm sorry i missed you. because—at home. to say, i'm sorry i missed you. bmean, _at home. to say, i'm sorry i missed you. bmean, is_at home. to say, i'm sorry i missed you bmean, is that at home. to say, i'm sorry i missed you bmean, is that insultingit home. to say, i'm sorry i missed you bmean, is that insulting and me. i mean, is that insulting and ieneens— i mean, is that insulting and demeans thing— i mean, is that insulting and demeans thing ? ' cricg c demeans thing? absolutely. it's insulting. demeaning he walked around the cabinet office that deals with national security . deals with national security. right. putting notes on people's desks to make a point . and they desks to make a point. and they were not working from the office because insulting a session of it , whether people working from it, whether people working from home and that is insulting and demeaning behaviour. that's certainly how they took it. some of the most senior civil servants in the country doing some the most sensitive some of the most sensitive security in the country, security work in the country, being and demeaned by

being insulted and demeaned by a minister. yes, i think that's insulting and demeaning. all right, very right, dave, thank you very much. grateful for your time. ireve— much. grateful for your time. ireve-snee- much. grateful for your time. dave _there lthe i dave penman, there is the generei— dave penman, there is the general secretary of the fda nien— general secretary of the fda vvne— general secretary of the fda union who represents thousands of union who represents thousands ei—rignr.- union who represents thousands of_right. ladies,. of civil servants right. ladies, genrienen— of civil servants right. ladies, gentlemen,-views. of civil servants right. ladies,- gentlemen,-views coming of civil servants right. ladies,- geii lemen, _views coming of civil servants right. ladies, geii haven't views coming of civil servants right. ladies, geii haven't got views coming of civil servants right. ladies, geii haven't got \to ns coming of civil servants right. ladies, geii haven't got \to go :oming of civil servants right. ladies, geii haven't got \to go toning in. i haven't got time to go to snen — in. i haven't got time to go to snen iesr— in. i haven't got time to go to rnen iesi nev— in. i haven't got time to go to them just now because we're way ner— them just now because we're way per i— them just now because we're way over. but i will— them just now because we're way over. but i will do— them just now because we're way over. but i will do shortly. gb views— over. but i will do shortly. gb views gbnews.uk. over. but i will do shortly. gb- views. gb news.uk. _okay. views at gbnews.uk. right. okay. so views at gbnews.uk. right. okay. se ieeis— views at gbnews.uk. right. okay. se ieeis mere— views at gbnews.uk. right. okay. so loads more coming your way for so loads more coming your way fer-i— so loads more coming your way for-i.believe_ so loads more coming your way for-i.believe i'm- so loads more coming your way for i believe i'm about for you. i do believe i'm about to for you. i do believe i'm about re-ever— for you. i do believe i'm about re-ever-nerel to throw over to some more peering—nevi to throw over to some more- breaking_now. yes, breaking news for you now. yes, i breaking news for you now. yes, r en— breaking news for you now. yes, i se— breaking news for you now. yes, i se see— breaking news for you now. yes, i am. so some more breaking news to i am. so some more breaking news re tuss— i am. so some more breaking news re iese vess— i am. so some more breaking news re iese iese srep— i am. so some more breaking news to just just stop oil— i am. so some more breaking news to just just stop oil protesters neve— to just just stop oil protesters have—dartford- have scaled the dartford sressing— have scaled the dartford crossing bridge and have been neniei— crossing bridge and have been handedlprison_ crossing bridge and have been handed prison sentence for handed a prison sentence for sensing— handed a prison sentence for causinglpublic_ handed a prison sentence for causing public nuisance. i'll causing a public nuisance. i'll sren— causing a public nuisance. i'll sren snes— causing a public nuisance. i'll start that one— causing a public nuisance. i'll start that one again. so this is sne— start that one again. so this is rne peering— start that one again. so this is the breaking news. so the two vnsr— the breaking news. so the two just-protesters- the breaking news. so the two just protesters who did just stop oil protesters who did sseie— just stop oil protesters who did scaleldartford_ just stop oil protesters who did scale dartford bridge scale a dartford crossing bridge neve— scale a dartford crossing bridge neve-neniei- scale a dartford crossing bridge have handed prison have now been handed a prison sentence-causing— have now been handed a prison sentence-causing a- have now been handed a prison sentence causing a public sentence for causing a public nuisance. morgan trowland has been— nuisance. morgan trowland has ireen given— nuisance. morgan trowland has been given three— nuisance. morgan trowland has been given three years. marcus perver— been given three years. marcus denver nes— been given three years. marcus dekker has been— been given three years. marcus dekker has been sentenced to two veers— dekker has been sentenced to two veersseven-— dekker has been sentenced to two years-seven months.- years and seven months. extinction— years and seven months. extinction rebellion of extinction rebellion are, of course, at it— extinction rebellion are, of course, at it again as well, sneegn— course, at it again as well, rneegn in— course, at it again as well, though in other— course, at it again as well, though in other news, as well, sne— though in other news, as well, rne greep— though in other news, as well, rne greep-rner— though in other news, as well, the group-that up- though in other news, as well, the group that up to 50,000 the group says that up to 50,000 peepie— the group says that up to 50,000 peepie viii— the group says that up to 50,000 peepie viii reve— the group says that up to 50,000 people will take part in four sevs— people will take part in four sevs-in- people will take part in four days-in london.l people will take part in four days in london. we days of protest in london. we viii— days of protest in london. we viii-snese— days of protest in london. we will those protests. not will be at those protests. not me—

will be at those protests. not me _thankfully. . will be at those protests. noti me _thankfully. i'm me personally, thankfully. i'm rerrisv—sn- me personally, thankfully. i'm patrick—gb news. patrick christys on gb news nrirein-s— patrick christys on gb news nrirein-s-.—

radio. welcome back. loads to go out between - welcome back. loads to go out irerveen nerv— - welcome back. loads to go out irerveen n-evvprn- . welcome back. loads to go out between now-pm. and- between now and 4:00 pm. and i'll—absolute- between now and 4:00 pm. and i'll—absolute lot. i'll give you the absolute lot of i'll give you the absolute lot eilvve-ve— i'll give you the absolute lot eilvve-ve ger— i'll give you the absolute lot of we've got news of an £8 of it. we've got news of an £8 niiiien— of it. we've got news of an £8 million fund— of it. we've got news of an £8 million fund to— of it. we've got news of an £8 million fund to tackle homelessness among veterans and a homelessness among veterans and e servev— homelessness among veterans and e servev eise— homelessness among veterans and e servev eise sevs— homelessness among veterans and a survey also says that a third of a survey also says that a third ei irr— a survey also says that a third of uk libraries— a survey also says that a third of uk libraries have been asked to censor or remove books. so vve-ii— to censor or remove books. so ve-ii ire— to censor or remove books. so we'll be talking— to censor or remove books. so we'll be talking about all of snes— we'll be talking about all of snes reeiiv— we'll be talking about all of that really today in britain. vvnen— that really today in britain. vvnen i— that really today in britain. when i come— that really today in britain. when i come back, though, i am reeiiv— when i come back, though, i am reeiiv geing— when i come back, though, i am reeiiv geing ie— when i come back, though, i am really going to be— when i come back, though, i am really going to be going quite big really going to be going quite irig en— really going to be going quite pig en snes— really going to be going quite big on that idea— really going to be going quite big on that idea. really going to be going quite big on that idea . now that big on that idea. now that veterans get— big on that idea. now that veterans get £8 million as a vvneie. — veterans get £8 million as a vvneie. per— veterans get £8 million as a whole. but when _ veterans get £8 million as a whole. but when you look at the erneenr— whole. but when you look at the erneenr ei— whole. but when you look at the amount of-that- whole. but when you look at the amount of that we're amount of money that we're giving— amount of money that we're giving-espes- amount of money that we're giving other areas giving to some other areas sesierv— giving to some other areas sesierv-nevv- giving to some other areas society now, though, society right now, though, neeiiines— society right now, though, headlines bethany elsey . society right now, though,- headlines-bethany elsey . headlines we're bethany elsey. retriev— headlines we're bethany elsey. patrick thank— headlines we're bethany elsey. patrick thank you. _ headlines we're bethany elsey. patrick thank you. good- patrick thank you. good afternoon. here's the latest headunes afternoon. here's the latest headlines from the gb newsroom at 335. alex chalk has been

named as the new justice secretary following the resignation of dominic raab, the mp for cheltenham is currently a defence minister and before his election was a barrister for 14 years he's been filmed this afternoon, arriving at the ministry of justice and oliver dowden has been appointed as the new deputy prime minister. he's currently serving as chancellor of the duchy of lancaster as well. both appointments come after dominic raab resigned from government after a bullying inquiry found he acted in an intimidating and aggressive way towards staff. it's understood in one instance he criticised the work of civil servants as utterly useless. he was also found to have committed an abuse or misuse of power that undermined or humiliated officials in some of the breaking news, braintree district council has lost its high court bid to stop the weatherfield airfield in essex, being used to house asylum seekers. the government plans to accommodate as many as 1700

migrants there for up to six months each, the judge said he did not have the legal power to grant the council's application for an injunction . and as you've for an injunction. and as you've been hearing in the last few minutes to just stop oil protesters, 40 year old morgan trowland and 34 year old marcus decker, who scaled a bridge over the dartford crossing last october, have been jailed . the october, have been jailed. the pair used ropes and other equipment to climb. the queen elizabeth two bridge between essex and kent last year. the judge at southend crown court said they had to be punished in order to deter others from copying them . they received copying them. they received three years and two years and seven months respectively . seven months respectively. you're watching gb news on tv onune you're watching gb news on tv online dab+ radio and on tune . online dab+ radio and on tune. in direct bullion sponsors, the finance report on gb news for gold and silver investment . back

gold and silver investment. back to patrick in a second. but first, here's a quick snapshot of today's markets. the pound will buy you 1.2, three, eight, $8 and ,1.1308. the price of gold is £1,597.24 per ounce. and the ftse 100 is at 7910 points. direct bullion sponsors the finance report on gb news for gold and silver investment . gold and silver investment. okay , so what do you make of okay, so what do you make of snise — okay, so what do you make of snise pp— okay, so what do you make of snise pp re— okay, so what do you make of this? up to £8— okay, so what do you make of this? up to £8 million- okay, so what do you make of this? 18 ccrir okay, so what do you make of this? up to £8 million has just been made available to tackle the issue of homelessness among armed forces, veterans , armed forces, veterans, charities and other organisations. can bid for cash to provide accommodation and other support for people who fought for this country but have fallen on hard times. now, all of this might sound all right. okay it's £8 million. that's great. it's better than nothing, isn't it? but there are thousands of homeless veterans in the uk, a very concerned lviv

estimate puts that number at around 7000. so what difference will £8 million really make? and when you look at it in the grand scheme of the fact that we've got £7 million a day roughly going to tackle migrant hotels, etcetera, is this really enough? with me now is trevor colt , who with me now is trevor colt, who was awarded the military cross. trevor, thank you very much. this £8 million for veterans issues is it good or is it actually a bit insulting ? first actually a bit insulting? first of all, patrick, thank- f c 37 first of all, patrick, thank you. and snenvs— of all, patrick, thank you. and snenvs rer— of all, patrick, thank you. and thanks for having _ of all, patrick, thank you. and thanks for having me on again. gm,— thanks for having me on again. pm. is— thanks for having me on again. um, £8 million. it— thanks for having me on again. um, £8 million. it is— thanks for having me on again. um, £8 million. it is a- thanks for having me on again. 178 cc iii" it is a lot of um, £8 million. it is a lot of nenev— um, £8 million. it is a lot of nenev eni— um, £8 million. it is a lot of nenev end i— um, £8 million. it is a lot of money and i have— um, £8 million. it is a lot of money and i have to- 178 cc iii" it is a lot of money and i have to take my rninv— money and i have to take my spine nesr— money and i have to take my think most veterans today and we neve— think most veterans today and we neve re— think most veterans today and we neve re reve— think most veterans today and we have to take your— think most veterans today and we have to take your hat off to the peri— have to take your hat off to the need verv— have to take your hat off to the hard work that— have to take your hat off to the hard work that johnny mercer's peen— hard work that johnny mercer's peen geing— hard work that johnny mercer's been doing behind that. behind the been doing behind that. behind rne ssees— been doing behind that. behind the scenes, he's— been doing behind that. behind the scenes, he's had an uphill sireggie— the scenes, he's had an uphill srreggie re— the scenes, he's had an uphill struggle to achieve what he's esnievei. — struggle to achieve what he's achieved. -he's_ struggle to achieve what he's achieved. he's achieved. achieved. but he's achieved. he nes— achieved. but he's achieved. he nes esnievei— achieved. but he's achieved. he has achieved quite— achieved. but he's achieved. he has achieved quite a lot. now, ieev— has achieved quite a lot. now, peep-sne— has achieved quite a lot. now, ieevlrne is— has achieved quite a lot. now, look the £8 million. um he look at the £8 million. um he nene— look at the £8 million. um he neielpeii— look at the £8 million. um he made bold statement today made a bold statement today seving— made a bold statement today seving rnis— made a bold statement today saying this this— made a bold statement today saying this this government is going— saying this this government is geing re— saying this this government is geing re ensi— saying this this government is going to end veterans homeless us going to end veterans homeless us snis— going to end veterans homeless us snis veer— going to end veterans homeless us snis veer .— going to end veterans homeless us this year. um,— going to end veterans homeless us this year. um, it could be

esnievei— us this year. um, it could be achieved easily,— us this year. um, it could be achieved easily, but i struggle wisp— achieved easily, but i struggle win is— achieved easily, but i struggle vvisn is is— achieved easily, but i struggle vvisn is is in— achieved easily, but i struggle with it if i'm honest, because ses-s— with it if i'm honest, because ies-s ieev— with it if i'm honest, because ies-s seep es— with it if i'm honest, because let's look at the— with it if i'm honest, because let's look at the 8 million. inere-s— let's look at the 8 million. there's meant— let's look at the 8 million. there's meant to be, say, 6000 neneiess— there's meant to be, say, 6000 homeless veterans. _ there's meant to be, say, 6000 homeless veterans. so if you pay propo— homeless veterans. so if you pay iiooo e— homeless veterans. so if you pay £1,000 a month— homeless veterans. so if you pay £1,000 a month for— homeless veterans. so if you pay £1,000 a month for their rent, sne— £1,000 a month for their rent, sne messen— £1,000 a month for their rent, the matter where _ £1,000 a month for their rent, the matter where they are, snes-s— the matter where they are, snes-s pe— the matter where they are, that's £6 million a month. so so that's £6 million a month. so so iss— that's £6 million a month. so so en en— that's £6 million a month. so so it's an ongoing— that's £6 million a month. so so it's an ongoing problem that we see that the veterans , um, we see that the veterans, um, charity sector is £1 billion sector, but i also see that there's if you go into the charity commission website now and you type in the words veterans homelessness , you'll veterans homelessness, you'll see there's over a thousand see that there's over a thousand charities it, which charities linked to it, which means a thousand jobs, 2000, maybe 3000 jobs. so you're going to maybe 3000 jobs. so you're going se iese— maybe 3000 jobs. so you're going se iese e— maybe 3000 jobs. so you're going se iese e ies— maybe 3000 jobs. so you're going to lose a lot of— maybe 3000 jobs. so you're going to lose a lot of dedicated- to lose a lot of dedicated peepie— to lose a lot of dedicated peepie se— to lose a lot of dedicated peepie se neip- to lose a lot of dedicated people to help the veterans sennenisv— people to help the veterans community lyou- people to help the veterans community you end community if you end homelessness. is it a it's a iissie— homelessness. is it a it's a use pis— homelessness. is it a it's a little bit galling, trevor. i pess— little bit galling, trevor. i pess venere— little bit galling, trevor. i just wonder what- little bit galling, trevor. i just wonder what your take on this is. so we've literally just reported in fact, it broke minutes this that minutes ago on this show that the government has won a high court able to house court battle to be able to house around 1000 asylum seekers , around 1000 asylum seekers, mostly young men, in in a former

raf base and government owned sites in a small village somewhere. so they have they've gone to court to fight for their right to do that. could they not do the same for these homeless military veterans? the uk funding here, this £8 million is expected to provide services for over 900 housing places . so it over 900 housing places. so it seems that we're doing that most days for people coming across the channel patrick, first of gr,— the channel patrick, first of gr, grees— the channel patrick, first of all, great question- " patrick, first of all, great question and what i viii— all, great question and what i viii respens— all, great question and what i will respond is— all, great question and what i will respond is quite a few veers— will respond is quite a few veers ege— will respond is quite a few veers ege i— will respond is quite a few years ago i wrote to my local mp,— years ago i wrote to my local rip, ieese— years ago i wrote to my local mp, teresa coffey, _ years ago i wrote to my local mp, teresa coffey, to find out why— mp, teresa coffey, to find out vvnv sne— mp, teresa coffey, to find out vvnv sne spen— mp, teresa coffey, to find out why the then defence minister, iepies— why the then defence minister, tobias ellwood,— why the then defence minister, tobias ellwood, wouldn't utilise is en— tobias ellwood, wouldn't utilise is en eis— tobias ellwood, wouldn't utilise is an old military— tobias ellwood, wouldn't utilise is an old military establishment to is an old military establishment se neip— is an old military establishment to help homeless— is an old military establishment to help homeless veterans. and i got to help homeless veterans. and i ges e— to help homeless veterans. and i ges e iessen— to help homeless veterans. and i ges e iessen i— to help homeless veterans. and i got a letter, i have— to help homeless veterans. and i got a letter, i have a letter pere— got a letter, i have a letter nere nen — got a letter, i have a letter here from tobias ellwood and my rin— here from tobias ellwood and my iris ,— here from tobias ellwood and my own mp , teresa— here from tobias ellwood and my own mp , teresa coffey, stating own mp, teresa coffey, stating snes— own mp, teresa coffey, stating snes sne— own mp, teresa coffey, stating that the ministry— own mp, teresa coffey, stating that the ministry of defence did not that the ministry of defence did nes evn— that the ministry of defence did nes env— that the ministry of defence did nes env es— that the ministry of defence did not own any of the— that the ministry of defence did not own any of the camps and snev— not own any of the camps and snev nes— not own any of the camps and snev nes peen— not own any of the camps and they had been bought by private seveiepers— they had been bought by private developers, which _ they had been bought by private developers, which goes to show spen— developers, which goes to show snen snes— developers, which goes to show snen snes snev— developers, which goes to show then that they weren't willing to then that they weren't willing se se— then that they weren't willing se e— then that they weren't willing to use a disused— then that they weren't willing to use a disused military camp for to use a disused military camp ier veseens— to use a disused military camp for veterans, but— to use a disused military camp for veterans, but they are vviiiing— for veterans, but they are viiiing se— for veterans, but they are willing to use—

for veterans, but they are willing to use one for asylum seeevrs— willing to use one for asylum seekers . vve— willing to use one for asylum seekers . we have— willing to use one for asylum seekers . we have a government seekers. we have a government vnisn— seekers. we have a government vnisn i— seekers. we have a government vnisn i sen-s— seekers. we have a government which i don't think is serving sne— which i don't think is serving the veterans— which i don't think is serving the veterans as— which i don't think is serving the veterans as well as it sneeis— the veterans as well as it sneeis pe. — the veterans as well as it should be. no— the veterans as well as it should be. no i- the veterans as well as it should be. no i mean, clearly, sieeriv— should be. no i mean, clearly, sieeriv nes. — should be. no i mean, clearly, clearly not. and— should be. no i mean, clearly, clearly not. r: should be. no i mean, clearly, clearly not. 1 r: clearly not. and the amount of fight that has had to go just to get this money arnie when you consider the amount of things that you guys have done for this country and the incredibly damaging effect, mean, damaging effect, i mean, realistically , this £8 million realistically, this £8 million is just a token amount of money to try to help make your lives better after the things that you've had to do on behalf of , you've had to do on behalf of, as it was, queen and now king and country and i just wonder whether or not you feel as though we've got our priority is a bit skewed in this country. our priorities are all wrong . i our priorities are all wrong. i viii— our priorities are all wrong. i viii sev— our priorities are all wrong. i viii sev snes— our priorities are all wrong. i will say that i'm— our priorities are all wrong. i will say that i'm really pleased snes— will say that i'm really pleased snes johnny— will say that i'm really pleased that johnny mercer is able to do snings— that johnny mercer is able to do more things now. _ that johnny mercer is able to do more things now. c i more things now. it's better him in there than out because he is dedicated but £8 million, uh , dedicated but £8 million, uh, why? you know, at the end of the

day, help healthy heroes and the royal british legion have that money anyway, they've got ten times that sitting in their account. so why all of sudden account. so why all of a sudden are they they're going are they saying they're going to help they haven't help when they haven't actually achieved last five, achieved it in the last five, six, seven, eight years? it seems it seems too little, too late. is it because there's an election coming up? maybe. maybe they veterans votes? i they need veterans votes? i don't know. i think people can see-snis— don't know. i think people can see _this, trevor. - see through this, trevor. i snink—snei see through this, trevor. i. think—the waste see through this, trevor. i- think—the waste and think the scale of the waste and espes— think the scale of the waste and esner nenev— think the scale of the waste and other money going— think the scale of the waste and other money going to some other sesses— other money going to some other sectors . society _ other money going to some other sectors. society-vast - sectors of society is so vast ens— sectors of society is so vast ens snes— sectors of society is so vast ens snes ps— sectors of society is so vast and that £8 million now does not esseeiiv— and that £8 million now does not esseeiiv seens— and that £8 million now does not actually sound like— and that £8 million now does not actually sound like a lot of nev— actually sound like a lot of nev i— actually sound like a lot of money. i mean,— actually sound like a lot of money. i mean, don't get me eng— money. i mean, don't get me eng is— money. i mean, don't get me wrong, it would— money. i mean, don't get me wrong, it would look massive. it in— wrong, it would look massive. it in nv— wrong, it would look massive. it in nv penk— wrong, it would look massive. it was in my bank account, but £8 niiiien— was in my bank account, but £8 niiiien in— was in my bank account, but £8 million in the— was in my bank account, but £8 million in the grand scheme of snings—iike- million in the grand scheme of snings—iike e- million in the grand scheme ofi things—like a huge things doesn't seem like a huge ens— things doesn't seem like a huge eneenslnenev.— things doesn't seem like a huge amount money. trevor, i'm amount of money. trevor, i'm geing— amount of money. trevor, i'm geing se— amount of money. trevor, i'm geing se-se— amount of money. trevor, i'm going to -to leave- amount of money. trevor, i'm going to to leave it there. going to have to leave it there. in —gees— going to have to leave it there. i-n—gees-pesl i'm afraid, my good man. but snenk— i'm afraid, my good man. but snenk vee— i'm afraid, my good man. but snenk vee verv— i'm afraid, my good man. but thank you very much. as always. i'll thank you very much. as always. iii-se— thank you very much. as always. i-ii-se vee— thank you very much. as always. i'll-to you soon.— thank you very much. as always. i'll to you soon. trevor i'll chat to you soon. trevor sese,— i'll chat to you soon. trevor sese, vvne — i'll chat to you soon. trevor sese, vvne is— i'll chat to you soon. trevor cole, who is, of— i'll chat to you soon. trevor cole, who is, of course, a resipienp— cole, who is, of course, a recipient, was— cole, who is, of course, a recipient, was awarded the iiiiiserv— recipient, was awarded the iiiiiserv-sir- recipient, was awarded the military sir served military cross as sir served visn— military cross as sir served with-distinction. with absolute distinction our seensrv— country on numerous different occasions now, wherever you seek,— occasions now, wherever you look, _contrast . look, there's the contrast snee— look, there's the contrast there, -there? - look, there's the contrast there, there? wherever you there, isn't there? wherever you seek,— there, isn't there? wherever you seek—presess. - there, isn't there? wherever you look, protest. king look, people are protest. king pess— look, people are protest. king pess-aninei- look, people are protest. king last animal rising last saturday, animal rising snes— last saturday, animal rising tried-disrupt—

last saturday, animal rising tried disrupt the grand tried to disrupt the grand nesienei.— tried to disrupt the grand national. ended up being national. they ended up being esseses— national. they ended up being accused-causing— national. they ended up being accused causing horse to accused of causing a horse to sie— accused of causing a horse to eie-seses— accused of causing a horse to die.-later, just- accused of causing a horse to die. later, just stop oil die. a day later, just stop oil sesises— die. a day later, just stop oil decided _world- die. a day later, just stop oil decided world snooker decided that the world snooker snenpiensnip— decided that the world snooker. championship—place decided that the world snooker. ch push)nship_place decided that the world snooker. ch push their)_ place decided that the world snooker ch push their cause. place decided that the world snooker ch push their cause. and place decided that the world snooker ch push their cause. and now.ace to push their cause. and now iesinssien— to push their cause. and now extinction rebellion have sserses— extinction rebellion have sserses-ei- extinction rebellion have started of protest started four days of protest snes— started four days of protest snes-viii- started four days of protest that-will be- started four days of protest- that-will be supported that they say will be supported by ito— that they say will be supported pvlse poppe— by up to 50,000 people. i peiieve— by up to 50,000 people. i believe that— by up to 50,000 people. i believe that we- by up to 50,000 people. i believe that we can go live now to believe that we can go live now se iierienne— believe that we can go live now to marianne van— believe that we can go live now to marianne van der geer from iesinssien— to marianne van der geer from extinction rebellion. yes. good ssen— extinction rebellion. yes. good sseii .— extinction rebellion. yes. good sseii . vvne-s— extinction rebellion. yes. good stuff . who's at— extinction rebellion. yes. good stuff . who's at westminster? can stuff. who's at westminster? can you stuff. who's at westminster? can vee peer— stuff. who's at westminster? can vee neer nee— stuff. who's at westminster? can you hear me? marianne? yes “rib: you hear me? marianne? yes yes, i you hear me? marianne? yes yes, i sees.— you hear me? marianne? yes yes, i sees. ire-re— you hear me? marianne? yes yes, i can. good. we're off— you hear me? marianne? yes “is; it?" good. we're off to you hear me? marianne? yes “rib: iii?“ good. we're off to a good i can. good. we're off to a good ssen— i can. good. we're off to a good ssers signs.— i can. good. we're off to a good ssen rigns. ekev.— i can. good. we're off to a good start right. okay. so— iii?“ good. we're off to a good start right. okay. so are you going— start right. okay. so are you geing se— start right. okay. so are you geing se pe— start right. okay. so are you going to be there for the next seer— going to be there for the next seer sevse— going to be there for the next seer sevse vvnv— going to be there for the next four days? why are you there ? four days? why are you there? yesr _ four days? why are you there? yes i— four days? why are you there? yes r en— four days? why are you there? ves, r en geing— four days? why are you there? yes, i am going to— four days? why are you there? yes, i am going to be- four days? why are you there? yes, i am going to be here for the next four days. i'm here. i'm with extinction rebellion . i'm with extinction rebellion. i'm with extinction rebellion. i'm here with. with my various greeps— i'm here with. with my various greeps snes— i'm here with. with my various greeps snes in— i'm here with. with my various groups that i'm working with, seing— groups that i'm working with, doing outreach,— groups that i'm working with, doing outreach, speaking to the peepie. — doing outreach, speaking to the peepie. nes— doing outreach, speaking to the peepie. nes why— doing outreach, speaking to the people. but why i'm- doing outreach, speaking to the people. but why i'm here on a personal level is because i'm extremely concerned about the climate and ecological emergency . i'm extremely concerned about the . i'm extremely concerned about sne iesk— . i'm extremely concerned about sne iesk es— . i'm extremely concerned about the lack of action— i'm extremely concerned about the lack of action and the lack of the lack of action and the lack es e— the lack of action and the lack es e pien— the lack of action and the lack er e pien nen— the lack of action and the lack of a plan from this government ees. — of a plan from this government ees. ans—

of a plan from this government ees. and in— of a plan from this government out. and i'm hoping- of a plan from this government out. g out. and i'm hoping that here, by creating relationships , an by creating relationships, an alliance with all these different organisations that we can work together to show the government we're here, we're concerned, we're willing to put in the work. why aren't you ses-s — in the work. why aren't you ses-s ses-s— in the work. why aren't you let's, let's get— in the work. why aren't you let's, let's get to— i why aren't you let's, let's get to work, let's do something.— let's, let's get to work, let's do something. let's, let's stop . reser— do something. let's, let's stop . total catastrophe. - do something. let's, let's stop . i by, do something. let's, let's stop . i cine/fig by, by . total catastrophe. okay by, by not acting now . okay. can i ask not acting now. okay. can i ask what more you want? because it's very rare that this country actually does get to say with sincerity that we are a world leader , but we are a world leader, but we are a world leader, but we are a world leader when it comes to things like reducing carbon emissions. we are reducing co2 emissions faster than any g20 in the world. what more do you want from us? so the interesting sning— from us? so the interesting sning is— from us? so the interesting sning is is— from us? so the interesting thing is, is that— from us? so the interesting thing is, is that a- c.~;7 so the interesting thing is, is that a lot c. 7 so the interesting thing is, is that a lot of the ssen— thing is, is that a lot of the ssen snes— thing is, is that a lot of the stuff that we _ thing is, is that a lot of the stuff that we consume, so the iees— stuff that we consume, so the feed snes— stuff that we consume, so the feed snes ve — stuff that we consume, so the food that we eat,— stuff that we consume, so the food that we eat, the things snes— food that we eat, the things snes vve— food that we eat, the things snes we buy— food that we eat, the things that we buy aren't actually preseses— that we buy aren't actually produced here— that we buy aren't actually produced here in this country. so produced here in this country. se snes-s— produced here in this country. se snes-s vvnv— produced here in this country. so that's why it— produced here in this country. so that's why it feels like we sen-s— so that's why it feels like we sen-s presese— so that's why it feels like we don't produce many emissions pere— don't produce many emissions nere en—

don't produce many emissions here on british— don't produce many emissions here on british soil. but the prisisn— here on british soil. but the british consumers stuff is sening— british consumers stuff is sening nen — british consumers stuff is coming from other countries in asie— coming from other countries in asie ens— coming from other countries in asia and wherever— coming from other countries in asia and wherever. so coming from other countries in asia and wherever . so the asia and wherever. so the enissiens— asia and wherever. so the emissions aren't happening here. the emissions aren't happening here. ine enissiens— emissions aren't happening here. the emissions are— emissions aren't happening here. the emissions are happening eprees— the emissions are happening eprees ,— the emissions are happening eprees , pes— the emissions are happening abroad , but they're still to abroad, but they're still to sewn— abroad, but they're still to sevn — abroad, but they're still to down us. and— abroad, but they're still to down us. and the policies our gevernnens— down us. and the policies our government has— down us. and the policies our government has on that, the snings— government has on that, the snings snes— government has on that, the things that we— government has on that, the things that we are doing on snes. — things that we are doing on that. marianne,- things that we are doing on that. marianne, i- things that we are doing on that. sivii things that we are doing on that. e1776 v:viv things that we are doing on that. iiiivi; v:v:v things that we are doing on- that. marianne, i do have to ask you then, how do you react to a story that came out today about the leader of extinction rebellion? gail bradbrook , being rebellion? gail bradbrook, being spotted by a woman buying packaged plastic packaged food, fruit that had travelled apparently thousands of miles from chile, vietnam, spain, cyprus , italy and also driving cyprus, italy and also driving a diesel car. i mean, good grief, maybe you should be having a word with her. so what i will say about that article is that i was very impressed by the research that the sun did in the carbon emissions of all those products. and i'm really glad snes— products. and i'm really glad snes sne— products. and i'm really glad snes sne sen— products. and i'm really glad that the sun are— :i and i'm really glad

that the sun are expose ing the sepen— that the sun are expose ing the carbon emissions— that the sun are expose ing the carbon emissions of the sun. are vee— carbon emissions of the sun. are vee gies— carbon emissions of the sun. are vee gies snes— carbon emissions of the sun. are you glad that your— carbon emissions of the sun. are you glad that your leader nerkess— you glad that your leader markets because he's a hypocrite 7 markets because he's a hypocrite e is— markets because he's a hypocrite e is sne— markets because he's a hypocrite e is she e— markets because he's a hypocrite ? is she a hypocrite— markets because he's a hypocrite ? is she a hypocrite ? i- markets because he's a hypocrite ? ig i 7’ i don't ? is she a hypocrite? i don't think ? is she a hypocrite? i don't snink sne— ? is she a hypocrite? i don't snink sne is— ? is she a hypocrite? i don't think she is a— ? ig i cvi;7’ i don't think she is a hypocrite. we all i think she is a hypocrite. we all i neen— think she is a hypocrite. we all i i— think she is a hypocrite. we all i mean, i have— think she is a hypocrite. we all i mean, i have to— think she is a hypocrite. we all i mean, i have to go to the sepernerkes— i mean, i have to go to the supermarket to— i mean, i have to go to the supermarket to buy my produce as vesi— supermarket to buy my produce as veii. i— supermarket to buy my produce as well. i unfortunately don't have se nv— well. i unfortunately don't have access to my own— well. i unfortunately don't have access to my own grown fruit and veg ens— access to my own grown fruit and veg end i— access to my own grown fruit and veg end i neve— access to my own grown fruit and veg end i neve e— access to my own grown fruit and veg and i have a diesel car esse.— veg and i have a diesel car eise. vee— veg and i have a diesel car also. you have— veg and i have a diesel car also. you have a- veg and i have a diesel car also. you have a diesel car? i sen-s— also. you have a diesel car? i sen-s evvn— also. you have a diesel car? i sen-s e— also. you have a diesel car? i don't own a car.— also. you have a diesel car? i don't own a car. no no, i don't own a car. i'm afraid. should snee— own a car. i'm afraid. should she? should— own a car. i'm afraid. should she? should she— own a car. i'm afraid. should she? should she not get rid of it? she? should she not get rid of ise in— she? should she not get rid of ise in e— she? should she not get rid of ise in e rees— she? should she not get rid of it? i'm a real dutch girl. \v:v it? i'm a real dutch girl. n0, snes-s— it? i'm a real dutch girl. n0, snes-s gees.— it? i'm a real dutch girl. no, that's great. look.- it? i'm a real dutch girl. no, that's great. look. fantastic. but she could get rid of a diesel car, couldn't she ? well diesel car, couldn't she? well i think this isn't really about individuals acts. i think we're individuals acts. i think we're in a individuals acts. i think we're in e svssen— individuals acts. i think we're in a system where,— individuals acts. i think we're in a system where, as- iv: , : vie i think we're in a system where, as gail i: , : vie i think we're in a system where, as gail said, sne— in a system where, as gail said, sne seesn-s— in a system where, as gail said, she doesn't have— in a system where, as gail said, she doesn't have access to pepiis— she doesn't have access to pepiis se— she doesn't have access to public to transport, get her pevs— public to transport, get her pevs se— public to transport, get her boys to school— public to transport, get her boys to school and to their sperss— boys to school and to their spens sieps. — boys to school and to their sports clubs. she has to drive spen.— sports clubs. she has to drive spen. sne— sports clubs. she has to drive them. she doesn't have the means to them. she doesn't have the means se pev— them. she doesn't have the means se pev en— them. she doesn't have the means to buy an expensive— them. she doesn't have the means to buy an expensive electric vepisie— to buy an expensive electric venisie. pe— to buy an expensive electric vehicle. so i— to buy an expensive electric vehicle. so i think that is

reeiiv— vehicle. so i think that is really what's— vehicle. so i think that is really what's at stake here, is snes— really what's at stake here, is snes vvene— really what's at stake here, is snes in— really what's at stake here, is that we're in a— really what's at stake here, is that we're in a system where we as that we're in a system where we es sisizens— that we're in a system where we es sisizens vne— that we're in a system where we as citizens who want to do good snings— as citizens who want to do good snings een-s— as citizens who want to do good things aren't able— as citizens who want to do good things aren't able to. so how sne— things aren't able to. so how can the government support us? new— can the government support us? new sen— can the government support us? new sne— can the government support us? how can the government help us be how can the government help us pe epie— how can the government help us pe epie se— how can the government help us be able to make— how can the government help us be able to make decisions? how snev— be able to make decisions? how snev neip— be able to make decisions? how snev neip es— be able to make decisions? how can they help us make sure that our supermarkets— can they help us make sure that our supermarkets don't package evervsning— our supermarkets don't package evervsning in— our supermarkets don't package everything in plastic? how can snev— everything in plastic? how can snev neip— everything in plastic? how can snev neip es— everything in plastic? how can they help us that— everything in plastic? how can they help us that we can get a pes— they help us that we can get a pes se— they help us that we can get a bus to school— they help us that we can get a bus to school ,— they help us that we can get a bus to school , that we can get bus to school, that we can get a seein— bus to school, that we can get a srein se— bus to school, that we can get a train to school,— bus to school, that we can get a train to school, that— bus to school, that we can get a train to school, that we can veik— train to school, that we can veiklsvsie — train to school, that we can walk-cycle _sort. train to school, that we can walk cycle sort of walk or cycle those sort of kings.— walk or cycle those sort of snings-vve— walk or cycle those sort of things. we really, really things. and we really, really esk— things. and we really, really esk ser— things. and we really, really esk ier sne— things. and we really, really ask for the government to please get ask for the government to please ges-nen — ask for the government to please ges-nen es— ask for the government to please get-from us. the- get get help from us. the sisizens— get get help from us. the sisizens .— get get help from us. the citizens . everyone has ideas. citizens. everyone has ideas. ivervpesv-s— citizens. everyone has ideas. everybody's motivated. people wens— everybody's motivated. people vens se — everybody's motivated. people vens se se— everybody's motivated. people want to do stuff— everybody's motivated. people want to do stuff ._ everybody's motivated. people want to do stuff . let's sit want to do stuff. let's sit eseens— want to do stuff. let's sit around the _ want to do stuff. let's sit around the table together . we're around the table together. we're prepesing— around the table together. we're prepesing e— around the table together. we're proposing a citizen's assembly, for proposing a citizen's assembly, ier evenpie— proposing a citizen's assembly, ier exenpie .— proposing a citizen's assembly, for example . all— proposing a citizen's assembly, for example . all let's sit for example. all let's sit eseens— for example. all let's sit around the— for example. all let's sit around the together and around the table together and neke— around the table together and neke e— around the table together and neke e pien. — around the table together and make a plan. it— around the table together and make a plan. it could be really erasing.— make a plan. it could be really evsising. i— make a plan. it could be really exciting. i wish— make a plan. it could be really exciting. i wish the government was as excited— exciting. i wish the government was as excited about as we was as excited about it as we ee- ve pess- was as excited about it as we are. , we just hope was as excited about it as we- are.-, we just hope that are. and yeah, we just hope that snev-ii— are. and yeah, we just hope that snev-ii insen— are. and yeah, we just hope that they'll listen. all— are. and yeah, we just hope that they'll listen. all right, marianne,— they'll listen. all right, marianne, thank you very much. iierienne— marianne, thank you very much. iierienne ven— marianne, thank you very much. marianne van de— marianne, thank you very much. marianne van de geer— marianne, thank you very much. marianne van de geer-fr0m| marianne van de geer there from extinction rebellion, is at extinction rebellion, who is at westminster. i i'm sorry. i find westminster. i i'm sorry. ifind it incredibly hard to countenance how extinction

rebellion can justify the fact that their leader drives a diesel car. and, you know, buys all of that kind of usual stuff from shops. that's all from the shops. that's all wrapped and has been wrapped in plastic and has been flown from chile. but then flown over from chile. but then wants everyone do wants everyone else to do something different. yeah. anyway, number of anyway, a huge number of librarians are being to told censor or even take books off their shelves in what amounts to an attack on free we are an attack on free speech. we are living ladies gentlemen. in living ladies and gentlemen. in 1984, i'm patrick christie's on gb news, britain's news .

forward from this. join us here on forward from this. join us here en en— forward from this. join us here en en revs.— forward from this. join us here on gb news. the— forward from this. join us here on gb news. the people's channel prisein— on gb news. the people's channel prisein .— on gb news. the people's channel britain . shocking— on gb news. the people's channel britain . shocking research has britain. shocking research has reveeies— britain. shocking research has revealed that— britain. shocking research has revealed that one third of uk iipreriens— revealed that one third of uk librarians have— revealed that one third of uk librarians have been asked to eisner— librarians have been asked to either censor— librarians have been asked to either censor or— librarians have been asked to either censor or remove books. ine— either censor or remove books. ins servev— either censor or remove books. ins servev ssens— either censor or remove books. the survey found that- either censor or remove books. the survey found that librarians are being asked to remove books based on things like empire race , lgbtq+ themes with some librarians apparently facing threatening behaviour. but all

is not quite as it seems with this story. and here's a pick through. it is the wonderful political commentator and director of 26. it lois director of 26. it is lois perry. lois. hi what do you make of this? because the idea now for me that a librarian would be told, can you remove this book? because i find it's references to the british empire problematic. it's almost orwellian, isn't it? well, it's senpieseiv— orwellian, isn't it? well, it's completely orwellian. - iii c 7 well, it's completely orwellian. and c 7 well, it's completely orwellian. and anyone ene-s— completely orwellian. and anyone vne-s rees— completely orwellian. and anyone vne-s rees sne— completely orwellian. and anyone who's read the book 1984 knows snere-s— who's read the book 1984 knows snere-s en— who's read the book 1984 knows there's an entire— who's read the book 1984 knows there's an entire department vnisn— there's an entire department vnisn is— there's an entire department which is devoted in the book, seveses— which is devoted in the book, seveses se— which is devoted in the book, devoted to, you _ which is devoted in the book, devoted to, you know, cancelling out devoted to, you know, cancelling ees nisserv— devoted to, you know, cancelling ees nisserv ens— devoted to, you know, cancelling out history and rewriting words ens— out history and rewriting words and eliminating— out history and rewriting words and eliminating words. they call it and eliminating words. they call is nevspeek— and eliminating words. they call it newspeak because how can you neve— it newspeak because how can you neve isees— it newspeak because how can you neve isees ii— it newspeak because how can you have ideas if the— it newspeak because how can you have ideas if the words are esseeiiv— have ideas if the words are actually removed from your vesepeierve— actually removed from your vocabulary? you— actually removed from your vocabulary? you know , it's vocabulary? you know, it's a siniier— vocabulary? you know, it's a similar thing.— vocabulary? you know, it's a similar thing. it— vocabulary? you know, it's a similar thing. it really is. iss— similar thing. it really is. is verv— similar thing. it really is. it's very dangerous. very eengerees— it's very dangerous. very sengerees . — it's very dangerous. very dangerous . i/viwe c \vivvv it's very dangerous. very- dangerous . yes, it is. now, this dangerous. yes, it is. now, this doesn't appear like any position of authority is telling the libraries that they should be doing this. no it's more that people themselves are. and i think that's actually almost more concerning because it would imply have already imply that people have already been . yeah, but been indoctrinated. yeah, but

then it doesn't— been indoctrinated. yeah, but then it doesn't-how- :i : yeah, but then it doesn't how many, then it doesn't say how many, sees— then it doesn't say how many, sees ise— then it doesn't say how many, sees ise i— then it doesn't say how many, does it? i mean,— then it doesn't say how many, does it? i mean, it— then it doesn't say how many, does it? i mean, it says there's a does it? i mean, it says there's e persensege— does it? i mean, it says there's e persensege ei— does it? i mean, it says there's a percentage of people that say snes— a percentage of people that say snes snev-ve— a percentage of people that say that they've been— a percentage of people that say that they've been asked, but snev— that they've been asked, but snev-neve— that they've been asked, but they - have - been i that they've been asked, but- they - have - been asked, they might have only been asked, for they might have only been asked, ien-pv— they might have only been asked, for-by ene— they might have only been asked, for-by one person- they might have only been asked, for by one person for for example, by one person for ene-isse— for example, by one person for ene-sisie er- one particular title or something- one particular title or something like. but no, you're signs— something like. but no, you're rigns .— something like. but no, you're rigns . ine— something like. but no, you're right . the fact— something like. but no, you're right . the fact that people are right. the fact that people are esking— right. the fact that people are eskinglpeeks— right. the fact that people are asking-books to— right. the fact that people are asking books to be removed right. the fact that people are asvery, books to be removed right. the fact that people are asvery, b(dangerous.emoved right. the fact that people are asvery, b(dangerous.andyed right. the fact that people are asvery, b(dangerous. and ifi is very, very dangerous. and if we remove our history, we're seenes— we remove our history, we're seenes se— we remove our history, we're doomed to repeat it. so let me play— doomed to repeat it. so let me play devil's advocate here and say what is the difference between someone who feels as though they've been oppressed by britain's colonial history walking into a library and saying, i want you to remove that book about the british empire or the slave or something. okay. and someone, let's say, in florida, walking in and saying, i want you to remove that book that tells my child that they might be transgender. okay. well, there's two issues there. the one is, envsning— two issues there. the one is, envsning se— two issues there. the one is, envsning se se— two issues there. the one is, anything to do with- ”vivii; the one is, anything to do with children. ine— anything to do with children. ine perenss— anything to do with children. the parents should have the eesenenv— the parents should have the autonomy arnie,— the parents should have the autonomy arnie, i believe if iss— autonomy arnie, i believe if is envsning— autonomy arnie, i believe if it's anything to— autonomy arnie, i believe if it's anything to do with sekeeiisv— it's anything to do with sexuality or— it's anything to do with sexuality or anything to do with nesisei—

sexuality or anything to do with medical intervention, for exenpie— medical intervention, for evenpie. se— medical intervention, for example. so i- medical intervention, for example. so i would say that's siignsiv— example. so i would say that's slightly different— example. so i would say that's slightly different argument, but my slightly different argument, but nv sisser-s— slightly different argument, but my sister's mixed— slightly different argument, but my sister's mixed race. my ssepiesner-s— my sister's mixed race. my stepfather's jamaican. and so to go stepfather's jamaican. and so to ge ense— stepfather's jamaican. and so to ge ense veer— stepfather's jamaican. and so to go onto your other— stepfather's jamaican. and so to go onto your other point, the sess— go onto your other point, the iess sning— go onto your other point, the last thing that— go onto your other point, the last thing that they would want is ser— last thing that they would want is ier e— last thing that they would want is for a statues— last thing that they would want is for a statues to— last thing that they would want is for a statues to be torn down or is for a statues to be torn down er ser— is for a statues to be torn down er ier peeks— is for a statues to be torn down or for books to _ is for a statues to be torn down or for books to be— is for a statues to be torn down or for books to be removed from iipreries— or for books to be removed from libraries because— or for books to be removed from libraries because they want peepie— libraries because they want peepie se — libraries because they want people to know— libraries because they want people to know about what's neppenes.— people to know about what's neppenee. vve— people to know about what's happened. we want people to seein— happened. we want people to ieern-vvnes-s— happened. we want people to learn what's happened learn from what's happened peseese— learn from what's happened because eliminate history because if you eliminate history , es i— because if you eliminate history , es i pess— because if you eliminate history , es i iess seis— because if you eliminate history , as i just said before, there's snes— , as i just said before, there's snes geese,— , as i just said before, there's that quote, sorry,— , as i just said before, there's that quote, sorry, i'm paraphrasing those who don't enserssens— paraphrasing those who don't understand know are understand or know history are deemed— understand or know history are seenes—is-s- doomed to repeat it. it's inpersens— doomed to repeat it. it's important that we know what neppenes.— important that we know what neppenee. se— important that we know what happened. so that we can make snes— happened. so that we can make sure that things— happened. so that we can make sure that things like that never neppen— sure that things like that never neppen egein— sure that things like that never happen again. also, it's inpersens— happen again. also, it's important for- happen again. also, it's important for people to know snes— important for people to know snes-is— important for people to know snes-is es- important for people to know that it was england, it that actually it was england, it ves-rinses— that actually it was england, it was united kingdom were was the united kingdom that were at was the united kingdom that were es-iereirens— at the forefront of actually ensing— at the forefront of actually ending-trade - at the forefront of actually ending-trade .. at the forefront of actually. ending-trade . and ending the slave trade. and nevei— ending the slave trade. and nevei snips— ending the slave trade. and naval ships actually devoted a lot naval ships actually devoted a ies ei— naval ships actually devoted a ies es sneir— naval ships actually devoted a lot of their time— naval ships actually devoted a lot of their time to actually ssepping— lot of their time to actually ssepping sieve— lot of their time to actually stopping slave ships and stuff, espesieiiv— stopping slave ships and stuff, especially america and stuff. especially in america and stuff. i especially in america and stuff. i-snes-s— especially in america and stuff. i-snes-s e— especially in america and stuff. i-that's a different- especially in america and stuff. i that's a different point i mean, that's a different point .—ersisie— i mean, that's a different point .—ersisie in- i mean, that's a different point ._article in the- . but no, the article in the snenpien— . but no, the article in the guardian is— . but no, the article in the guardian is a— . but no, the article in the guardian is a bit- . but no, the article in the guardian is a bit disingenuous peseese— guardian is a bit disingenuous because what— guardian is a bit disingenuous because what they're trying to do because what they're trying to se is— because what they're trying to do is conflate_ because what they're trying to do is conflate two— because what they're trying to do is conflate two completely seperese— do is conflate two completely separate things. _ do is conflate two completely separate things. you've got anerisen— separate things. you've got american parents who don't want

sneir— american parents who don't want their children— american parents who don't want their children to _ american parents who don't want their children to be— american parents who don't want their children to be given sexeeiiv— their children to be given sexually explicit material or snev— sexually explicit material or snev wens— sexually explicit material or they want permission slips to be sens— they want permission slips to be sens nene. — they want permission slips to be sent home. and— they want permission slips to be sent home. and then you've got espes— sent home. and then you've got esner peepie— sent home. and then you've got other people who— sent home. and then you've got other people who just don't want our other people who just don't want nisserv— other people who just don't want nisserv ens— other people who just don't want our history and culture to be seikes— our history and culture to be talked about. _ our history and culture to be talked about. il7�*l�*u' ii our history and culture to be talked about. il7�*l�*u' .. : talked about. my concern would be whether be that whether or not eventually in to eventually libraries give in to them get rid of what them and they get rid of what will be considered problems btec books. fact that books. and despite the fact that some those problematic books some of those problematic books might just contain historical fact. lois, thank you very, very thank much. lois perry. thank you very much. lois perry. that who of course, that who is, of course, a wonderful political commentator, director i was deeply director of cop26. i was deeply concerned about this. and i wonder going. i'm wonder where this is going. i'm fearful where this is going fearful of where this is going because as we keep seeing in society, do just cave in society, people do just cave in to pressure. don't to a bit of pressure. don't they? if there is some they? and if there is some pushback on certain that pushback on certain books that are that are deemed are in there that are deemed to be, as i said, problematic, how long it really until those long is it really until those are booted out libraries? and are booted out of libraries? and thatis are booted out of libraries? and that is sinister. moving on, dominic as dominic raab has resigned as deputy prime minister after a bullying inquiry. he has not gone though he says his gone quietly, though he says his departure a dangerous departure sets a dangerous precedent. agree precedent. i'm inclined to agree with what do you think gb with him. what do you think gb views or news patrick views or gb news .uk patrick christys on gb news britain's

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channel well. very good afternoon, everybody. patrick christys here on gb news just gone 4:00. big houn on gb news just gone 4:00. big hour. okay. so dominic raab has gone, but there's a lot of fallout to it. he's not gone quietly. i'm having a look at some of the reasons behind why he has resigned his pushback to it, and i am asking, has he been biffed by a load of snowflakes? in as well? yes. in other news, as well? yes. okay. so are our veterans being let down yet again? it seems like a windfall them. oh, there's going to be £8 million for veterans issues, but hang on a minute. does that even scratch the surface? why have we got 900 homes available the homes available across the country as country for veterans? but as you're about to see in this next story, loads of different size now available for other people coming across the channel a verdict been reached and the

verdict has been reached and the government high government has won its high court again . east braintree court case again. east braintree district council who were complaining about the idea that around 1000 asylum seekers could be plonked area. so why be plonked in their area. so why do the housing for one do we have the housing for one group of people and for not another and finally, yes, another group? and finally, yes, this you going as this one will get you going as well. you think that cyclists well. do you think that cyclists should have number plates? i certainly but the likes of certainly do. but the likes of jeremy vine, etcetera are saying no, a number no, will not wear a number plate. not? okay. shorten to plate. why not? okay. shorten to keep us safer. patrick keep us all safer. patrick christie's on . gb news okay, so christie's on. gb news okay, so was rob biffed by snowflakes. gb views is a gbnews.uk i want your take on that. i think it has a very worrying precedent, doesn't it, for frankly, conduct anywhere and what that might mean . i am anywhere and what that might mean. i am going to anywhere and what that might mean . i am going to get mean. i am also going to get your reaction to the fact that the government has now lost its high court sorry, its high court case, sorry, won its high court case, sorry, won its high court case, sorry, won its high court and will now high court case and will now be allowed people in allowed to have people in braintree asylum detention braintree as an asylum detention centre there. and well, centre there. and as well, should have should cyclists have number plates gbnews.uk. plates gb views at gbnews.uk. now headlines arron

now though, headlines with arron . good afternoon. it is a minute pess— . good afternoon. it is a minute pess seer.— . good afternoon. it is a minute pess seen in— . good afternoon. it is a minute past four. i'm aaron— c: i it is a minute past four. i'm aaron armstrong. ine— past four. i'm aaron armstrong. ine sp— past four. i'm aaron armstrong. the gb newsroom— past four. i'm aaron armstrong. the gb newsroom oliver dowden has the gb newsroom oliver dowden nes peen— the gb newsroom oliver dowden has been appointed as the new pepesv— has been appointed as the new pepesv nine— has been appointed as the new deputy prime minister following the resignation— deputy prime minister following the resignation of— deputy prime minister following the resignation of dominic raab over-allegations- the resignation of dominic raab over-allegations .- the resignation of dominic raab over allegations . mr over bullying allegations. mr pevsen— over bullying allegations. mr dowden will— over bullying allegations. mr dowden will also remain in his rese— dowden will also remain in his reie es— dowden will also remain in his role as chancellor— dowden will also remain in his role as chancellor of the duchy of role as chancellor of the duchy es iensesser— role as chancellor of the duchy es iensesser ,— role as chancellor of the duchy of lancaster , and— role as chancellor of the duchy of lancaster , and alex chalk has of lancaster, and alex chalk has peen— of lancaster, and alex chalk has been announced— of lancaster, and alex chalk has been announced as— of lancaster, and alex chalk has been announced as the new vessise— been announced as the new justice secretary.— been announced as the new justice secretary. the mp for sneisennen — justice secretary. the mp for cheltenham was— justice secretary. the mp for cheltenham was a defence ninisser— cheltenham was a defence minister and— cheltenham was a defence minister and a— cheltenham was a defence minister and a former barrister . ieriier— minister and a former barrister . ieriier ne— minister and a former barrister . earlier he was— minister and a former barrister . earlier he was seen arriving at . earlier he was seen arriving es sne— . earlier he was seen arriving at the ministry— . earlier he was seen arriving at the ministry of— . earlier he was seen arriving at the ministry of defence . well at the ministry of defence. well the appointments— at the ministry of defence. well the appointments come as a resin— the appointments come as a reseis ei— the appointments come as a result of dominic raab resigning nen— result of dominic raab resigning nen sne— result of dominic raab resigning from the government after a peiiving— from the government after a bullying inquiry— from the government after a bullying inquiry found he had esses— bullying inquiry found he had esses in— bullying inquiry found he had esses in en— bullying inquiry found he had acted in an intimidating and eggressive— acted in an intimidating and eggressive vev— acted in an intimidating and aggressive way towards staff. it's understood— aggressive way towards staff. it's understood in one instance he it's understood in one instance ne srisisises— it's understood in one instance he criticised the— it's understood in one instance he criticised the work of civil servenss— he criticised the work of civil servenss es— he criticised the work of civil servants as utterly useless . he servants as utterly useless. he eise— servants as utterly useless. he was also found— servants as utterly useless. he was also found to— servants as utterly useless. he was also found to have committed an was also found to have committed en epese— was also found to have committed an abuse or misuse— was also found to have committed an abuse or misuse of power that undermines— an abuse or misuse of power that ensernines er— an abuse or misuse of power that undermined or humiliated eiiisieis— undermined or humiliated esiisieis ,— undermined or humiliated

officials , as— undermined or humiliated officials , as in— undermined or humiliated officials , as in his resignation officials, as in his resignation lessen— officials, as in his resignation iessen iii— officials, as in his resignation letter, mr raab— officials, as in his resignation letter, mr raab said in setting the threshold— letter, mr raab said in setting the threshold for— letter, mr raab said in setting the threshold for bullying so ievv— the threshold for bullying so low r— the threshold for bullying so sev , snis— the threshold for bullying so low , this inquiry has set low, this inquiry has set a eengerees— low, this inquiry has set a dangerous precedent , and he dangerous precedent, and he venee— dangerous precedent, and he vvenes sne— dangerous precedent, and he warned the prime minister that it warned the prime minister that is viii— warned the prime minister that it will encourage— warned the prime minister that it will encourage spurious senpieinss— it will encourage spurious complaints against ministers and neve— complaints against ministers and neve e— complaints against ministers and neve e sniiiing— complaints against ministers and have a chilling effect on those sriving— have a chilling effect on those sriving snenge— have a chilling effect on those driving change on behalf of the severnnens— driving change on behalf of the government in— driving change on behalf of the government in accepting mr iseep-s— government in accepting mr raab's resignation , the prime raab's resignation, the prime iiinisser— raab's resignation, the prime minister agreed— raab's resignation, the prime minister agreed there were shortcomings— minister agreed there were shortcomings in the historic presess— shortcomings in the historic pses snes— shortcomings in the historic process that had negatively essesses— process that had negatively affected everyone involved . affected everyone involved. war,— affected everyone involved. war, sne— affected everyone involved. well, the liberal democrats are selling— well, the liberal democrats are selling ser— well, the liberal democrats are selling ier e— well, the liberal democrats are calling for a by—election in peninis— calling for a by—election in dominic raab's— calling for a by—election in dominic raab's constituency of ssnes— dominic raab's constituency of isner ens— dominic raab's constituency of esher and walton— dominic raab's constituency of esher and walton and the labour gag...— esher and walton and the labour ieesen sir— esher and walton and the labour leader, sir keir— esher and walton and the labour leader, sir keir starmer, has srisisises— leader, sir keir starmer, has criticised rishi— leader, sir keir starmer, has criticised rishi sunak over what he criticised rishi sunak over what ne sesses— criticised rishi sunak over what he called indecision and weakness in— he called indecision and weakness in allowing mr raab to resign.— weakness in allowing mr raab to resign. war,— weakness in allowing mr raab to resign. well, the— weakness in allowing mr raab to resign. well, the big question for resign. well, the big question ier sne— resign. well, the big question for the prime— resign. well, the big question for the prime minister is why he was so weak to— for the prime minister is why he was so weak to appoint him in the was so weak to appoint him in sne siss— was so weak to appoint him in the first place. _ was so weak to appoint him in the first place. i: the first place. the second question for the prime minister is why didn't sack him? and now it's left to to dominic raab resign and the prime minister hasn't acted. it's that hasn't acted. and it's that indecision an it's that weakness. i think that goes to

the heart, not just of this prime but of 13 years prime minister, but of 13 years now failure . conservative prime minister, but of 13 years now failure. conservative mp now of failure. conservative mp julian— now of failure. conservative mp vniien knigns— now of failure. conservative mp julian knight says— now of failure. conservative mp julian knight says he- conservative mp julian knight says he doesn't wens— julian knight says he doesn't vens sne— julian knight says he doesn't vens sne ierv— julian knight says he doesn't want the tory whip reinstated ens— want the tory whip reinstated ens ne— want the tory whip reinstated ens ne nen-s— want the tory whip reinstated and he won't stand again at the nexs— and he won't stand again at the nexs generei— and he won't stand again at the next general election. it's esses— next general election. it's after police _ next general election. it's after police dropped a sexual esseeis— after police dropped a sexual assault allegation made against pin.— assault allegation made against nin. ine— assault allegation made against nin. ine iii— assault allegation made against him. the mp for— assault allegation made against him. the mp for solihull, who was suspended— him. the mp for solihull, who was suspended from the party sne— was suspended from the party over the claim,— was suspended from the party over the claim, has as always, senies— over the claim, has as always, senies sne— over the claim, has as always, denied the allegation and has sessripes— denied the allegation and has described it— denied the allegation and has described it as— denied the allegation and has described it as false and malicious— described it as false and malicious .— described it as false and malicious. he- described it as false and malicious. he has tweeted to say it's malicious. he has tweeted to say is preegns— malicious. he has tweeted to say it's brought untold— malicious. he has tweeted to say it's brought untold damage to his it's brought untold damage to nis pnvsisei— it's brought untold damage to his physical and— it's brought untold damage to his physical and mental health, has his physical and mental health, nes senses— his physical and mental health, has caused pain— his physical and mental health, has caused pain and distress to his has caused pain and distress to nis seniiv— has caused pain and distress to nis ieniiv .— has caused pain and distress to his family . braintree district his family. braintree district sennsii— his family. braintree district sennsii nes— his family. braintree district council has lost— his family. braintree district council has lost its high court bid council has lost its high court pis se— council has lost its high court pis se ssep— council has lost its high court bid to stop the— council has lost its high court bid to stop the wethersfield eirsieis— bid to stop the wethersfield eirsieis in— bid to stop the wethersfield airfield in essex, being used to nense— airfield in essex, being used to nense esvinn— airfield in essex, being used to house asylum seekers. the government— house asylum seekers. the government plans to accommodate as government plans to accommodate es nenv— government plans to accommodate es nenv es ripo— government plans to accommodate as many as 1700 migrants there for as many as 1700 migrants there ier np— as many as 1700 migrants there ier np se— as many as 1700 migrants there ier np se siv— as many as 1700 migrants there for up to six months each. the judge— for up to six months each. the insge seis— for up to six months each. the insge seie ne— for up to six months each. the judge said he didn't have the iegei— judge said he didn't have the iegei perver— judge said he didn't have the iegei pevver se— judge said he didn't have the legal power to grant the sennsiis— legal power to grant the council's application for an ininnssien— council's application for an injunction to— council's application for an injunction to just stop oil presessers. — injunction to just stop oil protesters. the- injunction to just stop oil protesters. the 40 year old iiergen— protesters. the 40 year old morgan trowland and 34 year old

iierkns— morgan trowland and 34 year old markus decker— morgan trowland and 34 year old markus decker ,— morgan trowland and 34 year old markus decker , who scaled markus decker, who scaled a prisge— markus decker, who scaled a prisge ve— markus decker, who scaled a bridge over the _ markus decker, who scaled a bridge over the dartford sressing— bridge over the dartford crossing last— bridge over the dartford crossing last october, have been pies.— crossing last october, have been ieiies. ine— crossing last october, have been ieiiee. ine peir— crossing last october, have been jailed. the pair used ropes and espes— jailed. the pair used ropes and other equipment— jailed. the pair used ropes and other equipment to climb the qe2 prisge— other equipment to climb the qe2 priege pesveen— other equipment to climb the qe2 bridge between essex and kent sess— bridge between essex and kent iess veer.— bridge between essex and kent iess veer. ine— bridge between essex and kent last year. the judge at southend sienn— last year. the judge at southend srevn senn— last year. the judge at southend crown court said— last year. the judge at southend crown court said they had to be pnnisnes— crown court said they had to be pnnisnes se— crown court said they had to be punished to deter— crown court said they had to be punished to deter others from c0frying— punished to deter others from sepving snen— punished to deter others from sepving snen .— punished to deter others from copying them . they received copying them. they received spree— copying them. they received snree veers— copying them. they received three years and— copying them. they received three years and two year, seven nensn— three years and two year, seven month sentences— three years and two year, seven month sentences respectively . month sentences respectively. nesvvess— month sentences respectively. vesvvess ens— month sentences respectively. natwest and john lewis have ieines— natwest and john lewis have ieines sne— natwest and john lewis have joined the exodus of big businesses,— joined the exodus of big businesses, leaving the confederation of british insnssrv.— confederation of british inenssrv. is— confederation of british industry. it follows a second eiiegesien— industry. it follows a second allegation of— industry. it follows a second allegation of rape made by a woman working— allegation of rape made by a woman working for the business groups— woman working for the business grenp, vnisn— woman working for the business grenp, vnisn is— woman working for the business group, which is reported by the snenpien— group, which is reported by the guardian that— group, which is reported by the guardian that follows the sepennre— guardian that follows the departure of— guardian that follows the departure of the insurance sepenies— departure of the insurance companies earlier. phoenix group and companies earlier. phoenix group ens revive,— companies earlier. phoenix group and aviva, both— companies earlier. phoenix group and aviva, both of— companies earlier. phoenix group and aviva, both of them ftse 100 sepenies— and aviva, both of them ftse 100 spies sne— and aviva, both of them ftse 100 companies, the cbi— and aviva, both of them ftse 100 companies, the cbi says it's verking— companies, the cbi says it's working closely— companies, the cbi says it's working closely with the police to ensure the— working closely with the police to ensure the perpetrators are prengns— to ensure the perpetrators are prengns se— to ensure the perpetrators are brought to justice. the unite nnien— brought to justice. the unite nnien nes— brought to justice. the unite union has confirmed 3300 esisnere— union has confirmed 3300 offshore workers will stage a 48 nens— offshore workers will stage a 48 nenr ssrike— offshore workers will stage a 48 hour strike from _ offshore workers will stage a 48 hour strike from monday . the hour strike from monday. the veikens— hour strike from monday. the walkout will— hour strike from monday. the walkout will affect oil and gas

sepenies— walkout will affect oil and gas companies, including bp. shell and companies, including bp. shell ens resel— companies, including bp. shell and total unite's_ companies, including bp. shell and total unite's general sesreserv— and total unite's general secretary sharon graham says snev— secretary sharon graham says snev sen— secretary sharon graham says snev eesiiv— secretary sharon graham says they can easily afford to give ssen— they can easily afford to give sseii e— they can easily afford to give ssen e pev— they can easily afford to give staff a pay rise,— they can easily afford to give staff a pay rise, given their rreses— staff a pay rise, given their record profits— staff a pay rise, given their record profits .— staff a pay rise, given their record profits . the union says record profits. the union says ssrike— record profits. the union says strike action _ record profits. the union says strike action could result out in production— strike action could result out in production shutdowns . in production shutdowns. iiinissers— in production shutdowns. ministers from the ukraine seiense— ministers from the ukraine defence contact group are neising— defence contact group are holding their— defence contact group are holding their fourth meeting. ine— holding their fourth meeting. ine us— holding their fourth meeting. the us secretary of state for defense— the us secretary of state for defence, lloyd _ the us secretary of state for defence, lloyd austin, is nessing— defence, lloyd austin, is nessing is.— defence, lloyd austin, is hosting it. it's- defence, lloyd austin, is hosting it. it's taking place at isenssein— hosting it. it's taking place at ramstein air— hosting it. it's taking place at ramstein air base in germany. his ramstein air base in germany. nis pk— ramstein air base in germany. his uk counterpart, ben wallace, is eise— his uk counterpart, ben wallace, is eise snere. — his uk counterpart, ben wallace, is also there. the— his uk counterpart, ben wallace, is also there. the nato pesreserv— is also there. the nato secretary general, jens stoltenberg _ secretary general, jens stoltenberg ,- secretary general, jens stoltenberg , says he expects stoltenberg, says he expects nkreine— stoltenberg, says he expects iikreine se— stoltenberg, says he expects ukraine to eventually become a nernpe— ukraine to eventually become a nernpe es— ukraine to eventually become a member of the— ukraine to eventually become a member of the alliance, but the prierisv— member of the alliance, but the prierisv is— member of the alliance, but the priority is ensuring— member of the alliance, but the priority is ensuring victory egeinss— priority is ensuring victory against russia— priority is ensuring victory against russia as important as sissnssing— against russia as important as sissnssing ne— against russia as important as discussing new platforms. c discussing new platforms. it is expensiv— discussing new platforms. it is extremely important— discussing new platforms. it is extremely important to ensure that all the platforms which are under the in ukraine work and function as they should , meaning function as they should, meaning that we need ammunition , we need that we need ammunition, we need spare parts, we need fuel, we need maintenance, we need repair

. and kensington palace has released a new photograph of the late queen to mark what would have been her 97th birthday. it shows queen elizabeth with some of shows queen elizabeth with some es ner— shows queen elizabeth with some of her grandchildren and great grandchildren,— of her grandchildren and great grandchildren, including zara iinseii-s— grandchildren, including zara tindall's children on the left ens— tindall's children on the left and savannah— tindall's children on the left and savannah phillips seated on the and savannah phillips seated on sne signs— and savannah phillips seated on sne rigns .— and savannah phillips seated on sne rigns . ine— and savannah phillips seated on the right . the photo was taken the right. the photo was taken by sne— the right. the photo was taken by the princess— the right. the photo was taken by the princess of— the right. the photo was taken by the princess of wales at peinerei— by the princess of wales at balmoral last— by the princess of wales at balmoral last summer, just weeks pesese— balmoral last summer, just weeks peiere sne— balmoral last summer, just weeks before the late— balmoral last summer, just weeks before the late queen's death. inis— before the late queen's death. inis is— before the late queen's death. inis is en— before the late queen's death. this is gb news— before the late queen's death. this is gb news more as it neppens— this is gb news more as it neppens, es— this is gb news more as it happens, as always, but for the nrernens— happens, as always, but for the nernens iss— happens, as always, but for the moment it's back— happens, as always, but for the moment it's back to . moment it's back to. patrick i only— moment it's back to. patrick ionly ene— moment it's back to. patrick . only one place- moment it's back to. patrick i only one place to - moment it's back to. patrick- - only one place to start today, moment it's back to. patrick- - only one pl ise to start today, moment it's back to. patrick only one pl is with;tart today, isn't it? and that is with dominic he has resigned as dominic raab. he has resigned as deputy minister after deputy prime minister after a bullying that he deputy prime minister after a bull acted that he deputy prime minister after a bull acted in that he deputy prime minister after a bull acted in an that he deputy prime minister after a bull acted in an intimidatinge had acted in an intimidating fashion unreasonably and fashion with unreasonably and persistently aggressive conduct. but raab did not go quietly. he says that his departure sets a dangerous precedent because it

sets a low threshold for bullying, which will encourage spunous bullying, which will encourage spurious claims. bullying, which will encourage spurious claims . plaints. there spurious claims. plaints. there is a lot to talk about here. here to just give you the exact findings of this report and exactly what dominic raab has said since is catherine forster , our political reporter on the steps of downing street. catherine, thank very much. catherine, thank you very much. so it to just two of these so was it to just two of these complaints that were upheld? talk us through it. complaints that were upheld? talk us through it . yes that's talk us through it. yes that's right. so there were eight iernei— , gi so there were eight formal complaints made against peninis— formal complaints made against peninis keep— formal complaints made against dominic raab and— formal complaints made against dominic raab and a couple of sepen— dominic raab and a couple of sezen peepie— dominic raab and a couple of dozen people that were involved in snese— dozen people that were involved in those complaints . of all of in those complaints. of all of pese— in those complaints. of all of snese, eniv— in those complaints. of all of those, only two _ in those complaints. of all of those, only two of— in those complaints. of all of those, only two of them were nppeisi— those, only two of them were npneis. ans— those, only two of them were upheld. and although dominic keep— upheld. and although dominic iseep nes— upheld. and although dominic raab has resigned and he ssresses— raab has resigned and he stressed he— raab has resigned and he stressed he said it's too evese— stressed he said it's too adverse , findings are flawed and adverse, findings are flawed and set adverse, findings are flawed and ses e— adverse, findings are flawed and set a dangerous— adverse, findings are flawed and set a dangerous precedent for the set a dangerous precedent for sne sensnss— set a dangerous precedent for the conduct of— set a dangerous precedent for the conduct of good government. nev— the conduct of good government. nev ne-s— the conduct of good government. now he's resigned,— the conduct of good government. now he's resigned, but he's sieeriv— now he's resigned, but he's sieeriv engrv— now he's resigned, but he's clearly angry and deeply unhappy epens— clearly angry and deeply unhappy epens sne— clearly angry and deeply unhappy epens sne vev— clearly angry and deeply unhappy about the way in— clearly angry and deeply unhappy about the way in which he feels snes— about the way in which he feels snes nes— about the way in which he feels that he's been— about the way in which he feels that he's been treated now. isisni—

that he's been treated now. rishi sunak— that he's been treated now. rishi sunak for— that he's been treated now. rishi sunak for his part, i snink— rishi sunak for his part, i snink viii— rishi sunak for his part, i think will be— rishi sunak for his part, i think will be relieved that peninis— think will be relieved that dominic raab— think will be relieved that dominic raab chose to resign and snes— dominic raab chose to resign and snes isisni — dominic raab chose to resign and that rishi sunak— dominic raab chose to resign and that rishi sunak ultimately skin-s— that rishi sunak ultimately sisn-s neve— that rishi sunak ultimately didn't have to— that rishi sunak ultimately didn't have to sack him. of snev— didn't have to sack him. of course they were great allies. peninis— course they were great allies. dominic raab— course they were great allies. dominic raab was a huge snpperser— dominic raab was a huge snpperser ei— dominic raab was a huge supporter of rishi sunak during pesn— supporter of rishi sunak during pesn sne— supporter of rishi sunak during both the leadership campaign ssees— both the leadership campaign ssees by— both the leadership campaign sseee by nin — both the leadership campaign stood by him even when it was ssees— stood by him even when it was sieer snes— stood by him even when it was clear that liz— stood by him even when it was clear that liz truss— stood by him even when it was clear that liz truss was going to clear that liz truss was going se vin— clear that liz truss was going se vin ens— clear that liz truss was going to win and nevertheless said snes— to win and nevertheless said snes pnssing— to win and nevertheless said that putting liz— to win and nevertheless said that putting liz truss in charge venis— that putting liz truss in charge venis pe— that putting liz truss in charge would be like— that putting liz truss in charge would be like putting a suicide vess— would be like putting a suicide vess en— would be like putting a suicide vess en sne— would be like putting a suicide vest on the conservative party . vest on the conservative party. so vest on the conservative party. se epviensiv— vest on the conservative party. so obviously rishi _ vest on the conservative party. so obviously rishi sunak owes a nnge— so obviously rishi sunak owes a nnge seps— so obviously rishi sunak owes a nnge seps es— so obviously rishi sunak owes a huge debt of loyalty to him and was reluctant— huge debt of loyalty to him and was reluctant to _ huge debt of loyalty to him and was reluctant to see him go. but he was reluctant to see him go. but ne nes— was reluctant to see him go. but ne nes ei— was reluctant to see him go. but he had of course— was reluctant to see him go. but he had of course stood outside pevning— he had of course stood outside downing street— he had of course stood outside downing street and said that his gevernnens— downing street and said that his government would have integrity ,ampe_ government would have integrity , arnie accountability and professional— , arnie accountability and professional ism at its very peers— professional ism at its very neen .— professional ism at its very neen . ans— professional ism at its very heart . and so— professional ism at its very heart . and so because there were heart. and so because there were snese— heart. and so because there were snese sne— heart. and so because there were these two claims— heart. and so because there were these two claims up— heart. and so because there were these two claims up held of bad penevienr— these two claims up held of bad penevienr ei— these two claims up held of bad behaviour of bullying, dominic iseep— behaviour of bullying, dominic iseep nes— behaviour of bullying, dominic raab had said— behaviour of bullying, dominic raab had said he— behaviour of bullying, dominic raab had said he would resign if snes— raab had said he would resign if snes es— raab had said he would resign if that was found— raab had said he would resign if that was found to— raab had said he would resign if that was found to be the case. it that was found to be the case. is es— that was found to be the case. is nis— that was found to be the case. it was his and— that was found to be the case. it was his and so— that was found to be the case. it was his and so he is gone.

pns— it was his and so he is gone. pns nes— it was his and so he is gone. but not without— it was his and so he is gone. but not without a- it was his and so he is gone. but not without a huge amount of ill but not without a huge amount of ii seeking— but not without a huge amount of ii seeiing en— but not without a huge amount of ill feeling on his— but not without a huge amount of ill feeling on his part. and nenv— ill feeling on his part. and many questions now being asked epens— many questions now being asked epens sne— many questions now being asked about the civil— many questions now being asked about the civil service. okay. ves. — about the civil service. okay. yes we. — about the civil service. okay. yes we. ans— about the civil service. okay. yes. no. and just quickly, catherine, he's been replaced quite quickly, hasn't he ? yes he quite quickly, hasn't he? yes he has. he's been replaced as inssise— has. he's been replaced as justice secretary— he's been replaced as justice secretary by justice sesreserv— justice secretary by justice secretary sorry,— justice secretary by justice secretary sorry, by alex chalk , secretary sorry, by alex chalk, vvne— secretary sorry, by alex chalk, vvne is— secretary sorry, by alex chalk, vvne is es— secretary sorry, by alex chalk, who is was formerly a lawyer, . in— who is was formerly a lawyer, . in in— who is was formerly a lawyer, came . in in 2015,— who is was formerly a lawyer, came . in in 2015, was a remainer came. in in 2015, was a remainer , a came. in in 2015, was a remainer , e pesker— came. in in 2015, was a remainer , e pesker es— came. in in 2015, was a remainer , a backer of rishi— came. in in 2015, was a remainer , a backer of rishi sunak, and eise— , a backer of rishi sunak, and esse pepnsv— , a backer of rishi sunak, and also deputy prime minister, vnisn— also deputy prime minister, vnisn es— also deputy prime minister, which of course— also deputy prime minister, which of course dominic raab, eise— which of course dominic raab, eise nes— which of course dominic raab, also had that— which of course dominic raab, also had that role— which of course dominic raab, also had that role replaced by oliver— also had that role replaced by oliver dowden,— also had that role replaced by oliver dowden, who is a really see— oliver dowden, who is a really sese pei— oliver dowden, who is a really sese peir ei— oliver dowden, who is a really safe pair of hands. another big snpperser— safe pair of hands. another big snpperser ei— safe pair of hands. another big supporter of rishi _ safe pair of hands. another big supporter of rishi sunak. apseinseiv— supporter of rishi sunak. absolutely good- supporter of rishi sunak. absolutely good stuff.- supporter of rishi sunak. absolutely good stuff. thank you very much, catherine catherine force there outside the steps of downing street. and we'll be going back to catherine as and when get any more when we get any more developments from that story. but story this and but it's a big story this and it's just big politically. it's not just big politically. okay. does set okay. i think this does set a very concerning precedent that two of complaints can two out of eight complaints can be it is important,

be upheld. it is important, again, to stress that for all of the talk about the kind of cycle .uk bully that dominic raab may have been, reports have been, those reports that were out the press were coming out in the press leaked by or could it possibly have been civil servants in the run these findings? run up to these findings? actually, to have actually, he was found to have not once in four and a half years shouted at years sworn or shouted at anyone, now he's got to anyone, and that now he's got to go. and a lot of this was based on people's feelings and feeling as though they might have been intimidated or belittled. and dominic raab doesn't deny the fact that if people turned up to meetings and they weren't properly briefed, that he was blunt them. but is blunt with them. but this is a chap, it not? it has got chap, is it not? it has got a massive job to do. who is publicly elected and has frankly to be held to account for his actions. and i can't help but wonder whether or not when, as i'm about to go into, you do look at the culture in the civil service. this was always a problem waiting to happen when a demand ing individual meets the snowflake generation. but what i want to ask today is just that. do people need to toughen up

what counts as bullying and is it just snowflakes who can't handle real life ? raab doesn't handle real life? raab doesn't think he did anything wrong and he says this whole episode is sets a dangerous precedent. why civil servants can now target ministers. he wrote this in setting the threshold for bullying so low , this inquiry bullying so low, this inquiry has set a dangerous precedent. it will encourage spurious complaints against ministers and have a chilling effect on those driving change on behalf of your government and ultimately the british people. joining me now is tim smith, who actually is a former australian mp but also used to work with dominic raab. now, tim. talk me through your take on these findings and the fact that raab has resigned. well well, patrick, it's a crying shame that dominic raab has resigned and because he was a very good minister, he was a very competent minister, he's a very competent minister, he's a very bright guy. and i worked vvisn— very bright guy. and i worked vvisn nin — very bright guy. and i worked with him when— very bright guy. and i worked with him when he— very bright guy. and i worked with him when he was- vvig zvgi gcg and i worked with him when he was chief of ssen— with him when he was chief of sseii se— with him when he was chief of staff to david— with him when he was chief of staff to david davis when david pevis— staff to david davis when david pevis es— staff to david davis when david davis was shadow— staff to david davis when david davis was shadow home secretary . nev.— davis was shadow home secretary . nev. srenkiv—

davis was shadow home secretary . nev. srenkiv .— davis was shadow home secretary . now, frankly , this— davis was shadow home secretary . now, frankly, this process, it's not just a kangaroo court. it's an insult to kangaroos and it's an insult to kangaroos and i sev— it's an insult to kangaroos and i sev snes— it's an insult to kangaroos and i sev snes es— it's an insult to kangaroos and i say that as an— it's an insult to kangaroos and i say that as an australian. nns— i say that as an australian. nns i— i say that as an australian. nns i eise— i say that as an australian. nns i esse sev— i say that as an australian. but i also say that- i say that as an australian. but i also say that as- i say that as an australian. but i also say that as someone who has watched this process being played out in the media over the last six months, let's be quite clear about this report. it's the word of a couple of public servants against that of the deputy prime minister of the united kingdom. none of these witnesses were cross—examined . it says here cross—examined. it says here snes— cross—examined. it says here snes sne— cross—examined. it says here that the report— cross—examined. it says here that the report in— cross—examined. it says here that the report in front- i ripe? iv:v: it says here that the report in front of i vi;,p

the word of a civil servant against mr raab, who denies it, and he loses his job. that's not fair . that's and he loses his job. that's not fair. that's that's a that's a rort of what was, you know, deemed to be an independent review . i'm not sure that this review. i'm not sure that this review. i'm not sure that this review stands up to scrutiny, to be frank. well, we've got a senpie— be frank. well, we've got a senpie ei— be frank. well, we've got a couple of other— well, we've got a couple of other excerpts from spis— couple of other excerpts from snis ,— couple of other excerpts from snis , se— couple of other excerpts from snis , se in— couple of other excerpts from this , so i'm just— couple of other excerpts from this , so i'm just going to bring this, so i'm just going to bring snen— this, so i'm just going to bring spen np— this, so i'm just going to bring snen np nev— this, so i'm just going to bring them up now. so— this, so i'm just going to bring them up now. so this is the sesinisien— them up now. so this is the definition of— them up now. so this is the definition of bullying as per spis— definition of bullying as per snis sepen,— definition of bullying as per this report, right? so legitimate,- this report, right? so legitimate, reasonable and constructive— legitimate, reasonable and constructive criticism of vverkes— constructive criticism of workers performance will not enns— workers performance will not amount bullying. so they will amount to bullying. so they will not amount to bullying. so they will nes—se- amount to bullying. so they willi nes—se snese not amount to bullying. so those are—reasonable- not amount to bullying. so those are—reasonable and. are legitimate, reasonable and senssrnssive— constructive criticisms. okay. agein— constructive criticisms. okay. agein-is— constructive criticisms. okay. again, is subjective again, that is subjective pesense— again, that is subjective because what - again, that is subjective because what one person might snink— because what one person might pink is— because what one person might think is legitimate, reasonable ens— think is legitimate, reasonable. ens—persen and constructive, another person i and constructive, another person i snink— and constructive, another person i snink vve— and constructive, another person isnink ne sen— and constructive, another person i think we can all— and constructive, another person i think we can all agree would is— i think we can all agree would is es— i think we can all agree would see it as bullying.— i think we can all agree would see it as bullying. it defines pniiving— see it as bullying. it defines bullying intimidating bullying as intimidating or insnising— bullying as intimidating or- insulting—makes bullying as intimidating or- insindividual_makes bullying as intimidating or insindividual feel makes an individual feel uncomfortable, frightened and less— uncomfortable, frightened and less respected— uncomfortable, frightened and less respected or— uncomfortable, frightened and less respected or put down. so snes-s— less respected or put down. so snes-s sne— less respected or put down. so that's the definition . now, if

that's the definition. now, if you— that's the definition. now, if ven eessv— that's the definition. now, if you really think— that's the definition. now, if you really think about this at nene,— you really think about this at home, ladies— you really think about this at home, ladies and gentlemen, in veni— home, ladies and gentlemen, in venr verkpiese— home, ladies and gentlemen, in your workplace right now, maybe ven— your workplace right now, maybe ven , ses-s— your workplace right now, maybe even you , let's be— your workplace right now, maybe even you , let's be honest, maybe even you, let's be honest, maybe ven— even you, let's be honest, maybe ven sensi— even you, let's be honest, maybe even you could that— even you, let's be honest, maybe even you could that not pesensieiiv— even you could that not potentially if- even you could that not potentially if someone decided to potentially if someone decided se pe— potentially if someone decided se pe spnn— potentially if someone decided to be spun against you . i also to be spun against you. i also venses— to be spun against you. i also vvenses se— to be spun against you. i also wanted to know— to be spun against you. i also wanted to know this is what i vvens— wanted to know this is what i vens veni— wanted to know this is what i want your comment on now, tim, is sne— want your comment on now, tim, is sne nev— want your comment on now, tim, is sne vev snes— want your comment on now, tim, is the way that this— want your comment on now, tim, is the way that this report was sensnsses. — is the way that this report was conducted. okay— is the way that this report was conducted. okay so in terms of vvne— conducted. okay so in terms of vvne es— conducted. okay so in terms of who was interviewed and how they were interviewed,— who was interviewed and how they were interviewed, so— who was interviewed and how they were interviewed, so the people giving— were interviewed, so the people giving evisense— were interviewed, so the people giving evidence against dominic keep,— giving evidence against dominic keep-is— giving evidence against dominic iseeplis e— giving evidence against dominic raab,-is a quote— giving evidence against dominic raab, is a quote from the raab, this is a quote from the sepen,— raab, this is a quote from the .gpoa, i— raab, this is a quote from the report, i decided— raab, this is a quote from the report, i decided who should be inservieves.— report, i decided who should be interviewed. i— report, i decided who should be interviewed. i conducted all of the interviews— interviewed. i conducted all of the interviews myself. if unto the interviews myself. if unto sne exsens— the interviews myself. if unto the extent appropriate, i sought to the extent appropriate, i sought se sess— the extent appropriate, i sought se sess sne— the extent appropriate, i sought to test the accounts provided, eisnengn— to test the accounts provided, eisnengnlsis— to test the accounts provided, although did conduct what although i did not conduct what nigns—es- although i did not conduct what nigns—es e- although i did not conduct what might—as a cross. might be regarded as a cross eeinesien— might be regarded as a cross examination, goes to on talk examination, it goes to on talk epens— examination, it goes to on talk epens-sess— examination, it goes to on talk about-fact that— examination, it goes to on talk about fact that they were about the fact that they were eise— about the fact that they were. also—representation also given union representation ens—snese- also given union representation ens—snese ser- and just someone there for snppers— and just someone there for snppers ii— and just someone there for support if needed. what do you neke— support if needed. what do you neke es— support if needed. what do you neke es gag,— support if needed. what do you make of that, because it make of that, tim? because it eppeers— make of that, tim? because it eppeers-snes— make of that, tim? because it appears that people were appears to me that people were esseven— appears to me that people were esseven-ens- appears to me that people were allowed-and make. allowed to just go and make sieins— allowed to just go and make claims-that— allowed to just go and make claims that wasn't really claims and that wasn't really nessiveiv— claims and that wasn't really massively _welli massively scrutinised. well peninis— massively scrutinised. welli dominic—with dominic raab provided with presesnrei— dominic raab provided with procedural-i- dominic raab provided withi procedural-i don't procedural fairness. i don't snink— procedural fairness. i don't pink-ves.— procedural fairness. i don't think was. mean, dominic think he was. i mean, dominic raab, i worked him. dominic think he was. i mean, dominic raab,is worked him. dominic think he was. i mean, dominic raab,is tough, him. dominic think he was. i mean, dominic raab,is tough, but him. dominic think he was. i mean, dominic raab,is tough, but dominic)minic think he was. i mean, dominic raab,is tough, but dominic raab: raab is tough, but dominic raab is and i don't think

is fair and i don't think dominic raab has afforded dominic raab has been afforded procedural fairness in this case. if dominic raab was a enpievee— case. if dominic raab was a enpievee ei— case. if dominic raab was a employee of the— i if dominic raab was a employee of the department of vnssise— employee of the department of inssise ,— employee of the department of inssise , ne— employee of the department of vnssise , ne nev— employee of the department of justice , he may well have an justice, he may well have an nnseir— justice, he may well have an unfair dismissal— justice, he may well have an unfair dismissal claim against the department— unfair dismissal claim against the department of justice. but as the department of justice. but es sne— the department of justice. but as the secretary— the department of justice. but as the secretary of— the department of justice. but as the secretary of state- the department of justice. but as the secretary of state , the as the secretary of state, the rules don't apply to him. and that's why i think this- that's why i think this process is se— that's why i think this process is so fundamentally unfair that venve— is so fundamentally unfair that venve ges— is so fundamentally unfair that venve ges e— is so fundamentally unfair that you've got a couple of allegations— you've got a couple of allegations by a couple of nnnenes— allegations by a couple of unnamed public servants being eiieges— unnamed public servants being alleged against— unnamed public servants being alleged against dominic raab, and alleged against dominic raab, ens nes— alleged against dominic raab, ens ne-s nev— alleged against dominic raab, and he's now lost— alleged against dominic raab, and he's now lost his job. i snink— and he's now lost his job. i snink spis— and he's now lost his job. i think this process- and he's now lost his job. i think this process stinks. well, you you know, dominic raab, let me out another element me just read out another element of this report now. and so this is einess— of this report now. and so this is almost-what- of this report now. and so this is almost-what would. of this report now. and so this. is almost-what would you is almost like a what would you say,— is almost like a what would you say e— is almost like a what would you say, a character— is almost like a what would you say, a character definition of peninis— say, a character definition of dominic raab— say, a character definition of dominic raab so— say, a character definition of dominic raab so this is in the sepen.— dominic raab so this is in the sepen-pepnsv— dominic raab so this is in the report. deputy prime report. the deputy prime iiinisser-s— report. the deputy prime. minister's—own minister's style is in his own venis— minister's style is in his own words, inquisitorial, direct, inpesiens— words, inquisitorial, direct, impatient and— words, inquisitorial, direct, impatient and fastidious . yes. impatient and fastidious. yes. do impatient and fastidious. yes. pe ven— impatient and fastidious. yes. pe ven snink— impatient and fastidious. yes. do you think that describes peninis— do you think that describes dominic raab— do you think that describes dominic raab and if that does sessripe— dominic raab and if that does describe dominic— dominic raab and if that does describe dominic raab, do you not describe dominic raab, do you nes snink— describe dominic raab, do you not think that— describe dominic raab, do you not think that might be a good sninge— not think that might be a good sninge siss— not think that might be a good thing? erg that— not think that might be a good thing? erg that absolutely sessripes— thing? erg that absolutely describes dominic raab. vi;

describes dominic raab. he's a verv— describes dominic raab. he's a verv peni— describes dominic raab. he's a very hard worker. _ describes dominic raab. he's a very hard worker. he's a very hard taskmaster, but you want that when you're the deputy prime minister of a permanent member of the united nations security council , a nuclear security council, a nuclear power, the six largest economy in the world, you want your deputy prime minister to be fastidious? you do . so what is fastidious? you do. so what is the message this now sends to all cabinet ministers in the united kingdom or all future cabinet ministers in the united kingdom? well, it means don't be too harsh on a public servant, on a civil servant, because they might leak against you in the media and you might lose your job. this is really bad for senesresv— job. this is really bad for democracy in— this is really bad for democracy in britain , and i'm democracy in britain, and i'm nes— democracy in britain, and i'm nes snrprises. — democracy in britain, and i'm not surprised. _ democracy in britain, and i'm not surprised. i'm- democracy in britain, and i'm not surprised. gviv ivg democracy in britain, and i'm not surprised. giv ivg not surprised. i'm just going to read one more thing. now, you've alluded to this, so this is another quote from the report at no stage prior to the investigation did anyone commit no stage prior to the iniindicateyn did anyone commit no stage prior to the iniindicate to did anyone commit no stage prior to the iniindicate to the anyone commit no stage prior to the iniindicate to the deputycommit no stage prior to the iniindicate to the deputy primet or indicate to the deputy prime minister in terms that his conduct to civil conduct in relation to civil servants amount to servants was or might amount to a bullying and that a form of bullying and that there no evidence the there was no evidence that the word bullying ever used in word bullying was ever used in any communication him . so at any communication to him. so at no point in four and a half

years did anyone ever, according to this report , say to dominic to this report, say to dominic raab, even just as a tap on the shoulder, look , do you want to shoulder, look, do you want to check yourself a bit here? because we could nip this in the bud by apologising to that person and then you're not behaving like this going forward so that me appears to be a so that to me appears to be a little bit well the little bit odd. well the precious petals in the whitehall departments that have made these complaints can't have it both ways. at the same time that they neve — ways. at the same time that they have essentially— at the same time that they have essentially gone and had a seek— have essentially gone and had a ieek penins— have essentially gone and had a look behind the— have essentially gone and had a look behind the minister's back. they— look behind the minister's back. inev skin-s— look behind the minister's back. they didn't have— look behind the minister's back. they didn't have the decency or indeed— they didn't have the decency or indeed sne— they didn't have the decency or indeed the guts— they didn't have the decency or indeed the guts to— they didn't have the decency or indeed the guts to confront him ens— indeed the guts to confront him ens say— indeed the guts to confront him ens say i— indeed the guts to confront him ens say i sen-s— indeed the guts to confront him and say, i don't like the way venve— and say, i don't like the way venve speken— and say, i don't like the way you've spoken to— and say, i don't like the way you've spoken to me. so what sees— you've spoken to me. so what sees is— you've spoken to me. so what sees is sev— you've spoken to me. so what does it say about— you've spoken to me. so what does it say about the culture vvisnin— does it say about the culture visnin sne— does it say about the culture within the civil— does it say about the culture within the civil service ? within the civil service? inev-re— within the civil service? they're either- within the civil service? they're either gutless or snese-s— they're either gutless or snere-s e— they're either gutless or there's a political agenda here. ans— there's a political agenda here. and i— there's a political agenda here. and i snink— there's a political agenda here. and i think there's a political egense— and i think there's a political agenda because— and i think there's a political agenda because dominic raab was an agenda because dominic raab was en eisiens— agenda because dominic raab was an ardent brexiteer_ agenda because dominic raab was an ardent brexiteer from the ensses,— an ardent brexiteer from the ensses, ens— an ardent brexiteer from the outset, and we— an ardent brexiteer from the outset, and we all know what the piep— outset, and we all know what the piep sninks— outset, and we all know what the blob thinks of— outset, and we all know what the blob thinks of brexit. i put spis— blob thinks of brexit. i put spis se— blob thinks of brexit. i put spis se sne— blob thinks of brexit. i put this to the head— blob thinks of brexit. i put this to the head of the general

secretary of the civil service union earlier on in this show, and we'll play a clip of that interview later on, actually. but i put it to him that you look at the people who've had big trouble with the civil service in recent years. we've got patel, we've got got priti patel, we've got suella braverman, we've had jacob and got jacob rees—mogg and we've got dominic is there not dominic raab. and is there not really a clear distinction really here a clear distinction between who elected between people who were elected and quote unquote and to enact, quote unquote proper conservative policies and ideology managed to ideology who have managed to fall foul of a service , fall foul of a civil service, who it would appear to me, given that they run regular courses on things microaggressions, that they run regular courses on things without)aggressions, that they run regular courses on things without authority.ns, that they run regular courses on things without authority. one leading without authority. one official come out and said official has come out and said that they have to spend a fifth of their time, a fifth of their corporate objective of working on identity networks, on corporate identity networks, which things like which include things like going to gender non—conforming book clubs and a non—binary awareness week . and it does lead one to at week. and it does lead one to at least not accept the possible conclusion that maybe there is a culture clash going on here and who is the big loser there? is it not, the british public? thank you very much, tim. great to have you on the show as ever.

it's fantastic stuff. right? okay. did raab, okay. look did dominic raab, though, deserve lose job though, deserve to lose his job over let's legal over this? let's get a legal take on story now and go to take on this story now and go to speak to rustom tata, who is the chairman and the head of employment the law firm d.h. employment for the law firm d.h. stallard thank very stallard rustom, thank you very much. want to put this much. now, i do want to put this to you, dominic raab is saying that trial by media, so that he's had trial by media, so things, were things, erroneous things were leaked the press leaked out to the press for months this. hr months before this. the hr guidance didn't apply to him. so no he says, were put to no claims, he says, were put to him in writing. he says that he was in four times was told in person four times that had a clean bill of that he had a clean bill of health and that he only found out there might be out that there might not be everything in the garden everything rosy in the garden through tip offs. if through informal tip offs. if that you or i, would we not that was you or i, would we not maybe be looking at this now and thinking, is this unfair dismissal ? thinking, is this unfair dismissal? well good thinking, is this unfair dismissal ? well good afternoon. dismissal? well good afternoon. i think the fundamental issue pere— i think the fundamental issue nere is— i think the fundamental issue nere is snes— i think the fundamental issue here is that these sorts of senpieinss— here is that these sorts of complaints tend to sit and sesses— complaints tend to sit and sesser ve— complaints tend to sit and fester over a— complaints tend to sit and fester over a period of time. gm.— fester over a period of time. gm. se— fester over a period of time. gm. se vniiss— fester over a period of time. um, so whilst in— fester over a period of time. um, so whilst in an- fester over a period of time. um, so whilst in an ideal- fester over a period of time. um, so whilst in an ideal world, one might say that as soon as something happens that an individual doesn't like or maybe

which is inappropriate by way of behaviour is raised immediately and dealt with immediately , i'm and dealt with immediately, i'm fortunately my experience of many workplaces many different workplaces is that doesn't happen like that just doesn't happen like that. think that is that's in that. i think that is that's in a sense underpinning this point. i think it's probably only fair in sne— i think it's probably only fair in the context— i think it's probably only fair in the context of— i think it's probably only fair in the context of the report vnisn— in the context of the report vnisn i— in the context of the report which i have— in the context of the report which i have here as well. your neesiine— which i have here as well. your headline grabbing— which i have here as well. your headline grabbing piece about snevvsiekes— headline grabbing piece about sneviiekes .— headline grabbing piece about snowflakes . um,— headline grabbing piece about snowflakes . um, it says there snowflakes. um, it says there sne— snowflakes. um, it says there sne pg,— snowflakes. um, it says there sne pg, iii— snowflakes. um, it says there the pm, mr raab,— snowflakes. um, it says there the pm, mr raab, did not at any sine— the pm, mr raab, did not at any sine snggess— the pm, mr raab, did not at any time suggest that— the pm, mr raab, did not at any time suggest that any of the senpieinss— time suggest that any of the complaints were— time suggest that any of the complaints were derived from a se—seiies— complaints were derived from a so—called snowflake quality or eiiege— so—called snowflake quality or eiiege env— so—called snowflake quality or eiiege env ei— so—called snowflake quality or allege any of the— so—called snowflake quality or allege any of the individual spenis— allege any of the individual spenis pe— allege any of the individual should be so— allege any of the individual should be so regarded. what he did should be so regarded. what he sis snen— should be so regarded. what he did snen ge— should be so regarded. what he sis snen ge en— should be so regarded. what he did then go on to— should be so regarded. what he did then go on to say is reflected— did then go on to say is reflected in— did then go on to say is reflected in the report. c reflected in the report. it is a desk— reflected in the report. it is a desk er— reflected in the report. it is a desk er is— reflected in the report. it is a desk er is e— reflected in the report. it is a clash or is a tension in perhaps between a certain style of management and operation and perhaps where we've come to and what we expect for ourselves and for our families if we feel we're at the wrong end of things. so i think it's just which end of the telescope you look at this from and i just wonder, i wonder if at the

wonder, i just wonder if at the moment there much moment there is too much emphasis put subjective emphasis put on subjective feelings. okay, so i completely esnis— feelings. okay, so i completely esnis snes— feelings. okay, so i completely esnis snes ,— feelings. okay, so i completely admit that , you— �*"vi;vi;c ige okay, so i completely admit that , you know, in the admit that, you know, in the kins— admit that, you know, in the kind ei— admit that, you know, in the kind of industry— admit that, you know, in the kind of industry that i operate in pere— kind of industry that i operate in nere ens— kind of industry that i operate in here and no— kind of industry that i operate in here and no doubt you venrseii— in here and no doubt you venrseii es— in here and no doubt you yourself as well, there can be verv— yourself as well, there can be verv sirn — yourself as well, there can be verv iirn ens— yourself as well, there can be very firm and frank exchanges of venis— very firm and frank exchanges of needs nnser— very firm and frank exchanges of words under very— very firm and frank exchanges of words under very highly pressurised,— words under very highly pressurised, high tempo situations— pressurised, high tempo situations .— pressurised, high tempo situations . and people can be situations. and people can be verv— situations. and people can be verv pinns— situations. and people can be very blunt with— situations. and people can be very blunt with each other. and snes-s— very blunt with each other. and snes-s nes— very blunt with each other. and that's not always— very blunt with each other. and that's not always okay. and snes-s— that's not always okay. and snes-s nes— that's not always okay. and that's not always okay. and that's not always that nice. and you— that's not always that nice. and ven knew,— that's not always that nice. and ven know, i— that's not always that nice. and you know, i accept— that's not always that nice. and you know, i accept that. i've sene— you know, i accept that. i've sene snes— you know, i accept that. i've sene snes in— you know, i accept that. i've done that in the— you know, i accept that. i've done that in the past numerous ines— done that in the past numerous sines. ekev.— done that in the past numerous times. okay. and— done that in the past numerous times. okay. and people have sene— times. okay. and people have sene is— times. okay. and people have sene is se— times. okay. and people have done it to me.— times. okay. and people have done it to me. is— times. okay. and people have done it to me. is it really, snengn— done it to me. is it really, snengn, sei— done it to me. is it really, though, fair to— done it to me. is it really, though, fair to say that if senepesv— though, fair to say that if somebody just- though, fair to say that if somebody just feels a bit uncomfortable- somebody just feels a bit uncomfortable or belittled, just seeks— uncomfortable or belittled, just feels e— uncomfortable or belittled, just feels e pis— uncomfortable or belittled, just feels a bit uncomfortable and garage,— feels a bit uncomfortable and belittled, but— feels a bit uncomfortable and belittled, but that that that is enengn— belittled, but that that that is enengn ser— belittled, but that that that is enough for somebody to have to resign— enough for somebody to have to resign ve— enough for somebody to have to resign over from _ enough for somebody to have to resign over from a— enough for somebody to have to resign over from a role as signisisens— resign over from a role as significant as— resign over from a role as significant as as deputy prime iiinisser— significant as as deputy prime iiinisser i— significant as as deputy prime minister i think— significant as as deputy prime minister i think individuals and rac politicians— minister i think individuals and rac politicians more than anyone will rac politicians more than anyone viii seke— rac politicians more than anyone viii seke e— rac politicians more than anyone will take a calculated decision epens— will take a calculated decision about whether— will take a calculated decision about whether to _ will take a calculated decision about whether to resign or vvnesner— about whether to resign or vnesner se— about whether to resign or whether to tough it out. epviensiv— whether to tough it out. obviously, the _ whether to tough it out. obviously, the deputy prime minister, former deputy prime minister, former deputy prime minister, took the view to tough it out to a point and has now

decided to resign. i think from a general legal point of view, what hasn't been tested is given the findings of adam casey, whether or not the prime minister would have taken the view that that the behaviour as found was such such as should mean that he should determine that the minister should no longer continue in post. and there is obviously that fundamental difference that a minister effectively serves at the discretion of the prime minister . it the discretion of the prime minister. it is not employment, it is not subject to employment rights as you flagged to earlier, and it's not subject to employment tribunal regulation. so there is a difference . i take so there is a difference. i take your point that, you know it on through one lens here was a tough guy. strong views wanted tough guy. strong views wanted to push through certain reforms . civil servants not doing what he wanted. i mean, the finding was that he probably was

abrasive rather than abusive . i abrasive rather than abusive. i think that's that's kind of probably fair , fair put. but, probably fair, fair to put. but, you know, in the not so recent past, know, there been past, you know, there have been other senior politicians other very senior politicians going against perhaps what officials might have suggested and recommended. and that hasn't necessarily always helped us as a country. yeah. necessarily always helped us as a country . yeah. ruston necessarily always helped us as a country. yeah. ruston thank you a country. yeah. ruston thank ven very— a country. yeah. ruston thank ven veryr verv— a country. yeah. ruston thank ven veryr verv nnsp— vivivc yeah. ruston thank you very, very much. much eppresieses— you very, very much. much appreciated as— you very, very much. much appreciated as ever. ruston tata is sne— appreciated as ever. ruston tata is the chairman— appreciated as ever. ruston tata is the chairman and head of inpievnens— is the chairman and head of. employment—dmg employment at law firm dmg sellers.— employment at law firm dmg spline-ges- employment at law firm dmg stallard. get that stallard. great to get that insigni— stallard. great to get that insight-there- stallard. great to get that insight. there is a key insight. look, there is a key peins— insight. look, there is a key point-difference- insight. look, there is a key point difference isn't point of difference there, isn't gag,— point of difference there, isn't there,-frankly- point of difference there, isn't there, frankly normal there, between frankly normal enpievnenp— there, between frankly normal employment, and employment, i think, and peiiiss— employment, i think, and politics-tell- employment, i think, and politics. tell you politics. but i'll tell you vpep— politics. but i'll tell you what, oliver— politics. but i'll tell you what, oliver dowden has got his veik— what, oliver dowden has got his verk sns— what, oliver dowden has got his work cut-because- what, oliver dowden has got his work cut because the work cut out now because the ness— work cut out now because the neks-ne — work cut out now because the neks-ne gees— work cut out now because the next - he goes into - work cut out now because the next he goes into a meeting next time he goes into a meeting and next time he goes into a meeting ens-ens— next time he goes into a meeting ens-ens snes— next time he goes into a meeting and-out that civil- and he finds out that civil servenss— and he finds out that civil servants-have- and he finds out that civil servants have spent huge servants who have spent a huge enns— servants who have spent a huge ens es— servants who have spent a huge ens es-es— servants who have spent a huge amount of-at some- servants who have spent a huge amount of at some kind of amount of time at some kind of wellness— amount of time at some kind of wellness-ens— amount of time at some kind of wellness and indeed wellness retreat and indeed nevpe— wellness retreat and indeed- nevpe—snev maybe thinking about how they can maybe thinking about how they ges— maybe thinking about how they ges sne— maybe thinking about how they can get the next— maybe thinking about how they can get the next £200,000 a year job can get the next £200,000 a year rep iesnsses— can get the next £200,000 a year rep resnsses en— can get the next £200,000 a year job focussed on social mobility visnin— job focussed on social mobilityi within—haven't within the department. haven't essneiiv— actually done the research that snev—se- actually done the research that snev—se nevel they were supposed to have done on they were supposed to have done en-priesing— they were supposed to have done on-briefing-he's- they were supposed to have done on briefing he's given on the briefing that he's given spen — on the briefing that he's given spen le— on the briefing that he's given them i a massive _ on the briefing that he's given them a massive that them on a massive issue that eiiesss—ens- them on a massive issue that affects—and that. them on a massive issue that. affects—and that the affects the country and that the tories— affects the country and that the tories-voted— affects the country and that the tories .voted in _ affects the country and that the tories-voted in on.- affects the country and that the tories voted in on. he tories have voted in on. he better— tories have voted in on. he better not— tories have voted in on. he better not raise— tories have voted in on. he better not raise voice better not raise his voice because— better not raise his voice because if— better not raise his voice because if does, he'll be because if he does, he'll be straight— because if he does, he'll be ettetgtt eut— because if he does, he'll be straight out the— because if he does, he'll be straight out the door, won't he.7 gb

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critical. we are supporting falklands veterans , northern falklands veterans, northern ireland veterans and of course, veterans of iraq and afghanistan . so why is it not more money? why is it with respect, why is it why is it with respect, why is tt ret— why is it with respect, why is tt not mere— why is it with respect, why is it not more money? because this tree— it not more money? because this tree tater— it not more money? because this has tater a— it not more money? because this has taken a long— it not more money? because this has taken a long time to come about. — has taken a long time to come about. tra— has taken a long time to come about. tr tree— has taken a long time to come about. in the meantime, we have arearrt— about. in the meantime, we have arearrt 6— about. in the meantime, we have aat e te— about. in the meantime, we have around 6 to 7000— about. in the meantime, we have around 6 to 7000 homeless veterans that— around 6 to 7000 homeless veterans that are - around 6 to 7000 homeless veterans that are conservative eettraate— veterans that are conservative estimate. and _ veterans that are conservative estimate. and have the estimate. and we do have the raeaey— estimate. and we do have the money ter— estimate. and we do have the money for around _ estimate. and we do have the money for around £7 million a day— money for around £7 million a day-asylum — money for around £7 million a day asylum hotels . day for asylum seeker hotels. wett— day for asylum seeker hotels. trett t— day for asylum seeker hotels. trett t tatat— day for asylum seeker hotels. well i think the— day for asylum seeker hotels. well i think the government has got well i think the government has get te— well i think the government has get te tataaee— well i think the government has got to balance its— well i think the government has got to balance its priority is, ttetea— got to balance its priority is, ttetea, t— got to balance its priority is, listen, i wouldn't want to turn terra— listen, i wouldn't want to turn tetra anv— listen, i wouldn't want to turn down any money. . d down any money. it's good news. i also think that in johnny mercer, as the minister for veterans affairs , we have a real veterans affairs, we have a real champion , a genuine champion who champion, a genuine champion who sits at the cabinet table and makes sure government remembers veterans . so last year makes sure government remembers veterans. so last year during the budget , the government the budget, the government produced £20 million for veterans mental health. there is a steady flow of money coming from government to support these initiatives and that is good. and charities like ssafa, the

armed forces charity , can work armed forces charity, can work with the office of veterans affairs and government to make a difference for these people . difference for these people. okay. why is it only 900 places eaeeeeetty— okay. why is it only 900 places supposedly available for aeaetage— supposedly available for aeaetage t— supposedly available for housing? i mean, we've just seen ttteratty— housing? i mean, we've just seen literally moments— housing? i mean, we've just seen literally moments ago , moments literally moments ago, moments ago,— literally moments ago, moments age, tae— literally moments ago, moments ago, the government won a high eeart— ago, the government won a high eeart tattte— ago, the government won a high court battle to— ago, the government won a high court battle to put— ago, the government won a high court battle to put around 1000 aeeete— court battle to put around 1000 aeeete ta— court battle to put around 1000 aeeete ta a— court battle to put around 1000 aeeete ta a at— court battle to put around 1000 people in a and i— court battle to put around 1000 people in a and i believe a terraer— people in a and i believe a former military— people in a and i believe a former military base in eratatree— former military base in braintree ,— former military base in braintree , for goodness sake. braintree, for goodness sake. i mean, so now here's £8 million to mean, so now here's £8 million te gtre— mean, so now here's £8 million te gtre gog— mean, so now here's £8 million to give 900 homeless military veterans , quite— to give 900 homeless military veterans , quite possibly with veterans, quite possibly with etaer— veterans, quite possibly with other issues— veterans, quite possibly with other issues as— veterans, quite possibly with other issues as well. other than tetag— other issues as well. other than being homeless— other issues as well. other than being homeless housing. i just tat— being homeless housing. i just ttat taat— being homeless housing. i just find that odd— being homeless housing. i just find that odd . _ being homeless housing. i just find that odd . find that odd. so for another military, charities can use that money sensibly . so homelessness money sensibly. so homelessness is one of the challenges facing veterans and what we can do with this money and other money is to make sure that collectively we are helping these people who've served the country thrive . it served the country thrive. it determining exactly how many veterans are homeless is a real challenge . you quoted a figure

challenge. you quoted a figure i'm not sure whether that is right or wrong, but what we want to do is reach out to these individuals is make sure that they come for help, because so often they're too proud to ask for help . they've served in the for help. they've served in the military. they don't want to be seen as failures. and actually, i'd urge them to come to ssafa and other military charities say, hey, life isn't great, and then we can use £8 million to really good effect. we can make a difference with that money. okay. thank you very, very much for joining me. great stuff, forjoining me. great stuff, tteateaaat— forjoining me. great stuff, lieutenant general- i“ “g great stuff, lieutenant general sir andrew eregery— lieutenant general sir andrew gregory taere— lieutenant general sir andrew gregory there reacting to the taat— gregory there reacting to the news that veterans are going to get aat— news that veterans are going to get aat te— news that veterans are going to get around £8 million of taattag. — get around £8 million of funding. look— get around £8 million of funding. look i'm going to ask you— funding. look i'm going to ask yea tae— funding. look i'm going to ask yea tae earae— funding. look i'm going to ask you the same questions i was aettag— you the same questions i was asking—veal you the same questions i was. aettag—yea tatat asking him. really? do you think that asking him. really? do you think taat taat— asking him. really? do you think taat taat te— asking him. really? do you think that that is enough money? are you— that that is enough money? are yea araaet— that that is enough money? are yea amazed-te- that that is enough money? are you amazed is being you amazed that this is being aattet—et- you amazed that this is being. hailed _of victory? hailed as some kind of victory? i hailed as some kind of victory? t get— hailed as some kind of victory? t get taat— hailed as some kind of victory? t get taat anv— hailed as some kind of victory? i get that any money is good money — i get that any money is good money _taeet- i get that any money is good money. _knock it. i get that any money is good. money. _knock it. but money. you don't knock it. but 900— money. you don't knock it. but eoo aeaetag— money. you don't knock it. but 900 housing places across the gt,— 900 housing places across the gn-gg— 900 housing places across the tra-get aae- 900 housing places across the uk, got around 46,000 uk, we've got around 46,000 aeytara— uk, we've got around 46,000 asylum seekers— uk, we've got around 46,000 asylum seekers channel migrants in asylum seekers channel migrants ta aetete— asylum seekers channel migrants ta aetete at— asylum seekers channel migrants in hotels at the— asylum seekers channel migrants in hotels at the minute. i find taat— in hotels at the minute. i find taat ttzarre— in hotels at the minute. i find that bizarre. really when you

eeaetter— that bizarre. really when you consider how— that bizarre. really when you consider how easy it is to house eeeete— consider how easy it is to house aeeete aae— consider how easy it is to house some people and not others. reeete— some people and not others. reeete aae— some people and not others. people who have— some people and not others. people who have fought and given taetr—raeatat- their limbs and their mental aeatta— their limbs and their mental aeatta ter— their limbs and their mental health for this— their limbs and their mental health for this country and taer— health for this country and their family— health for this country and their family lives is that not a ettgat— their family lives is that not a ettgat eattt— their family lives is that not a slight shift in— their family lives is that not a slight shift in our— their family lives is that not a slight shift in our priorities taeree— slight shift in our priorities there? maybe.— slight shift in our priorities there? maybe. but moving on, tattaettea— there? maybe. but moving on, extinction rebellion are at it agata— extinction rebellion are at it againiyes-_ extinction rebellion are at it againiyes.-group- extinction rebellion are at it again yes. group says that again. yes. the group says that up again. yes. the group says that at te— again. yes. the group says that are te 50,000— again. yes. the group says that up to 50,000 people will take part— up to 50,000 people will take part-tare— up to 50,000 people will take part-tare et— up to 50,000 people will take part days of protests in part in four days of protests in teatea— part in four days of protests in teatea. tre— part in four days of protests in london. we are— part in four days of protests in london. we are at— part in four days of protests in london. we are at those areteete— london. we are at those protests. speaking protests. we're speaking to taera. — protests. we're speaking to them. _christysl protests. we're speaking to. them. _christys on protests. we're speaking to- them._christys on gb them. i'm patrick christys on gb terre— them. i'm patrick christys on gb newe- tate— them. i'm patrick christys on gb newe- rate te— them. i'm patrick christys on gb news. this is britain's news

you're listening to gb newsroom radio . afternoon. welcome back. radio. afternoon. welcome back. teats— radio. afternoon. welcome back. teate taere— radio. afternoon. welcome back. loads more coming— radio. afternoon. welcome back. loads more coming your- pitt: welcome back. loads more coming your way tetaeea— loads more coming your way tetaeea aea— loads more coming your way between now and 5:00. this broke just between now and 5:00. this broke taet eeate— between now and 5:00. this broke just moments ago.— between now and 5:00. this broke just moments ago. braintree etetrtet— just moments ago. braintree district council— just moments ago. braintree district council has lost a high eeat— district council has lost a high eeart tat— district council has lost a high eeart tat te— district council has lost a high court bid to prevent the government— court bid to prevent the government housing asylum eeeeret— government housing asylum eeeeret at— government housing asylum seekers at wethersfield airfield in seekers at wethersfield airfield ta teee. — seekers at wethersfield airfield ta teee. se — seekers at wethersfield airfield in essex. so that— seekers at wethersfield airfield in essex. so that is going to go aaeat— in essex. so that is going to go aaeat aea.— in essex. so that is going to go ahead now. and— in essex. so that is going to go ahead now. and does that not stret— ahead now. and does that not ettet ta— ahead now. and does that not ettet ta tae— ahead now. and does that not stick in the craw?_ ahead now. and does that not stick in the craw? when we look at my— stick in the craw? when we look at at ererteae— stick in the craw? when we look at my previous story that the eereraraeat— at my previous story that the government is— at my previous story that the government is apparently finding gag— government is apparently finding eoo eaeeee— government is apparently finding 900 spaces across— government is apparently finding 900 spaces across the whole of tae— 900 spaces across the whole of tae tra— 900 spaces across the whole of

tae at ter— 900 spaces across the whole of the uk for homeless military veterans, a bit— the uk for homeless military veterans, a bit of— the uk for homeless military veterans, a bit of a difference taere— veterans, a bit of a difference aae, tea-t— veterans, a bit of a difference there, isn't there?— veterans, a bit of a difference there, isn't there? i will be aettag— there, isn't there? i will be asking, though,— there, isn't there? i will be asking, though, is this another eeeatattea— asking, though, is this another escalation of— asking, though, is this another escalation of the— asking, though, is this another escalation of the never ending tetaeea— escalation of the never ending war between drivers and eyettetee— war between drivers and cyclists? should cyclists be mate— cyclists? should cyclists be raate te— cyclists? should cyclists be made to present number plates on taetr— made to present number plates on taetr attes— made to present number plates on taetr tttee er— made to present number plates on their bikes or their— made to present number plates on their bikes or their backs? jeremy— their bikes or their backs? jeremy vtae— their bikes or their backs? jeremy vine predicted has said no, jeremy vine predicted has said watta— jeremy vine predicted has said no, which makes— jeremy vine predicted has said no, which makes me want to say yes— no, which makes me want to say gee agat— no, which makes me want to say gee agat aera— no, which makes me want to say yes right now, though as your aeatttaee— yes right now, though as your headlines with— yes right now, though as your headlines with arron armstrong . headlines with arron armstrong. hi headlines with arron armstrong. at taere— headlines with arron armstrong. at taere tt— headlines with arron armstrong. at taere tt te— headlines with arron armstrong. hi there it is. _ headlines with arron armstrong. hi there it is. 433— headlines with arron armstrong. hi there it is. ”15:5 ' hi there it is. 433 arron armstrong here in the gb newsroom oliver dowden has been appointed as the new deputy prime minister following the resignation of dominic raab over bullying allegations. mr dowden will also remain in his role as chancellor of the duchy of lancaster , and alex chalk has lancaster, and alex chalk has been announced as the new justice secretary in place of raab, the mp for cheltenham was a defence minister and a former barrister and earlier he was seen arriving at the ministry of justice. the appointments follow

dominic raab's resignation from government, a bullying inquiry found he acted in an intimidating and aggressive way towards staff . it's understood towards staff. it's understood in one instance he criticised the work of civil servants as utterly useless . he was also utterly useless. he was also found to have committed an abuse or misuse of power that undermined or humiliated officials . as braintree district officials. as braintree district council has lost its high court bid to stop a former raf base in essex being used to house asylum seekers. the government plans to accommodate as many as 1700 migrants at wethersfield airfield for up to six months each. the judge said he did not have the legal power to grant the council's application for an injunction . and two just stop injunction. and two just stop oil protesters who scaled a bndge oil protesters who scaled a bridge over the dartford crossing last october have been jailed . 40 year old morgan jailed. 40 year old morgan trowland and 34 year old marcus decker used ropes and other equipment to climb the qe2 bndge equipment to climb the qe2 bridge between essex and kent. the judge said they had to be

punished to deter others from copying. the pair received three year sentences and two years and seven months respectively . seven months respectively. finally, kensington palace has released a new photo of the late queen to mark what would have been her 97th birthday. it shows queen elizabeth with some of her grandchildren and great grandchildren, including including tindall's kids on including zara tindall's kids on the left, and savannah phillips seated on the right. the photo was taken by the princess of wales at balmoral last summer , wales at balmoral last summer, months before the late queen's death . kyiv online dab and death. kyiv online dab and tunein radio . this is gb news. tunein radio. this is gb news. now it's back to . now it's back to. patrick thatis now it's back to. patrick that is coming your way. the government wins. a- titit“ “g the government wins. a court ti.t:i:ti“ “g the government wins. a court case, teeea-t— government wins. a court case, teeea-t tte— government wins. a court case, teeea-t tte te— government wins. a court case, doesn't it? to be— government wins. a court case, doesn't it? to be able to house ratgraate— doesn't it? to be able to house ratgraate ta— doesn't it? to be able to house migrants in the— doesn't it? to be able to house migrants in the brain tree area taat— migrants in the brain tree area taat te— migrants in the brain tree area that is controversial. i'll be

tatttag— that is controversial. i'll be talking about— that is controversial. i'll be talking about that. tell you ratat— talking about that. tell you what, something else that's erertag— what, something else that's proving controversial in the tater,— proving controversial in the inbox,-whetherl proving controversial in the inbox, whether or proving controversial in the- inbox, _whether or not inbox, anyway is whether or not create— inbox, anyway is whether or not erettete-te — inbox, anyway is whether or not cyclists - be made - inbox, anyway is whether or not cyclists be made to cyclists should be made to areeeat— cyclists should be made to present-plates. . cyclists should be made to present plates. i'll present number plates. i'll be getttag—taatl getting stuck right into that. eat— getting stuck right into that. eat-yea— getting stuck right into that. eat—yea teet- getting stuck right into that. but you look, it's but wherever you look, it's tatttag — but wherever you look, it's tatttag te — but wherever you look, it's talking to people cycle talking to people who cycle everywhere— talking to people who cycle everywhere _thei talking to people who cycle- everywhere _the case everywhere or don't. in the case of everywhere or don't. in the case et tattaettea— everywhere or don't. in the case of extinction rebellion's teatea— of extinction rebellion's leader,-she- of extinction rebellion's leader, she drives leader, actually she drives a tteeet— leader, actually she drives a tteeetl— leader, actually she drives a tteeetl why?— leader, actually she drives a diesel . why? well. well, diesel car. why? well. well, teeaaee— diesel car. why? well. well, because .would_ diesel car. why? well. well, because would too because it would be too eeeaetre— because it would be too expensive for- because it would be too expensive for her to get an eteetrte— expensive for her to get an electric-yeah,- expensive for her to get an electric yeah, okay . electric car. yeah, okay. tayaaa— electric car. yeah, okay. anyway, people are protesting. tast— anyway, people are protesting. taet satartaa— anyway, people are protesting. last saturday, animal rising trtet— last saturday, animal rising trtet te— last saturday, animal rising tried to disrupt— last saturday, animal rising tried to disrupt the grand tatteaat— tried to disrupt the grand national and— tried to disrupt the grand national and ended up being aaet— national and ended up being aaet et— national and ended up being accused of causing a horse to te— accused of causing a horse to tte. t— accused of causing a horse to tte. a day— accused of causing a horse to die. a day later,— accused of causing a horse to die. a day later, just stop oil teettet— die. a day later, just stop oil decided that— die. a day later, just stop oil decided that the— die. a day later, just stop oil decided that the world snooker caaraeteaeate— decided that the world snooker championship was the best place to championship was the best place te aaet— championship was the best place te eaea taer— championship was the best place to push their cause. and now tattaettea— to push their cause. and now extinction rebellion have etartet— extinction rebellion have started four— extinction rebellion have started four-of- extinction rebellion have started four of protest started four days of protest taat— started four days of protest taat-ear— started four days of protest that-say will- started four days of protest that-say will be - started four days of protest that say will be supported that they say will be supported by up— that they say will be supported ty upl50r000_ that they say will be supported by up 50,000 people. let's go by up to 50,000 people. let's go tae— by up to 50,000 people. let's go ttre aea— by up to 50,000 people. let's go ttre te— by up to 50,000 people. let's go ttre te et— by up to 50,000 people. let's go live now to gb news london repeater— live now to gb news london reeerter ttea— live now to gb news london reporter lisa hartle. lisa, yea-ve— reporter lisa hartle. lisa, yae teea— reporter lisa hartle. lisa, you've been you've been in araeaget— you've been you've been in araeaget rt.— you've been you've been in amongst it. what's going on? teat.— amongst it. what's going on? teat. rte-re— amongst it. what's going on? yeah, we've been— amongst it. what's going on? yeah, we've been here- amongst it. what's going on? /t:i;it“ “ amongst it. what's going on? yeah, we've been here since this morning. so obviously when we got here this morning, it was raining. there weren't many people around. but you can people around. but as you can see around me and behind me see now around me and behind me , streets are filled

, there's the streets are filled with . but the atmosphere with people. but the atmosphere i mean, i've never been to another extinction rebellion, rebellion, protest before, but obviously them on obviously i've seen them all on the and they were very much the news and they were very much different just half different to this one. just half an hour ago on the stage down there where we've had speakers throughout were throughout the day. there were there playing like there were playing like meditative music, like whale sounds and everything. it's sounds and everything. so it's very relaxing. there's children here. it's very calm, peaceful here. it's a very calm, peaceful protest , which is obviously what protest, which is obviously what they're agenda was this time. they said they didn't want to exclude people by having that disruption that they've had in the past. they wanted this to be an event where all the different speakers that had speakers that they've had outside the 16 government buildings around the city, they wanted people to be able to come up to them, listen to the talks that were happening get that were happening and get involved was involved with what was being said. lisa, there was talk said. and lisa, there was talk of there being 50,000 protesters. there is there aaytatag— protesters. there is there anything like _ protesters. there is there anything like that- there is there anything like that number that's so anything like that number that's ee tart— anything like that number that's ee aart te— anything like that number that's so hard to quantify? i so hard to quantify? because etyteaety— so hard to quantify? because obviously it's all in 50,000.

and i mean , every area we've and i mean, every area we've been to there have been full of people and crowds, whether it's been live music or people speaking . and, you know, there's speaking. and, you know, there's obviously not just extinction rebellion. there's 200 other environmental organisations that have also come along to support these next today, in the next three days. so so, so you know that could have been the case, but it's very difficult when you're here to try and count up the numbers. i spoke to someone from extinction rebellion earlier and telling me earlier and he was telling me why he decided to join the organisation protecting the london marathon rather than disrupting the london marathon . disrupting the london marathon. and i think extinction rebellion is and i think extinction rebellion te garte— and i think extinction rebellion is quite unequivocal in that we ratt— is quite unequivocal in that we at areteet— is quite unequivocal in that we at areteet tt— is quite unequivocal in that we will protect it from other organisations— will protect it from other organisations trying to look for treatte— organisations trying to look for treatte ae— organisations trying to look for trouble as well— organisations trying to look for trouble as well .— organisations trying to look for trouble as well . i— organisations trying to look for trouble as well . i don't see it trouble as well. i don't see it aaeeeatag— trouble as well. i don't see it happening because everybody who tetae— happening because everybody who tetae-ttg— happening because everybody who tetae-ttg eae— happening because everybody who joins-big one joins— happening because everybody who joins big one joins it on joins the big one joins it on taat— joins the big one joins it on taat treatte— joins the big one joins it on that premise that we're not going— that premise that we're not getag te— that premise that we're not getag te te— that premise that we're not going to be disrupting the eattte— going to be disrupting the eattte ea— going to be disrupting the public on this— going to be disrupting the public on this time around . so public on this time around. so tate— public on this time around. so the tate— public on this time around. so the tart te— public on this time around. so this this is obviously the first tay. — this this is obviously the first tay. there-e— this this is obviously the first day. there's three- this this is obviously the first day. "t“tizi; "t“i;ti; ”t�*tiftii; this this is obviously the first day. there's three more days ahead of this on monday. they

intend to do a similar day like they have done today, where they'll pick it outside each of they'll pick it outside each of the 16 government organisations the 16 government organisations the next two days, tomorrow is supposed to be a march which is again inclusive with families and children . and then on and children. and then on sunday, to that's co coexist with the london marathon, which of course they've assured that there will be no disruptions. they've all signed a unity agreement, which is what they've called it, to ensure that that won't the case because won't be the case because obviously runners, 40,000 obviously 40,000 runners, 40,000 runners been raising runners that have been raising money for months, millions of pounds charity . so they're pounds for charity. so they're hoping of hoping for four days of a peaceful protest where they can explain what their message is and hopefully get people to listen. they say, yeah, all right, lisa, thank you very much. lisa hartle there, who is teatea— much. lisa hartle there, who is our london reporter— i“ lisa hartle there, who is our london reporter who's been in our london reporter who's been ta tae— our london reporter who's been ta tae tatet— our london reporter who's been in the thick-the— our london reporter who's been in the thick the extinction in the thick of the extinction tetetttea— in the thick of the extinction rebellion-for- in the thick of the extinction rebellion-for us- in the thick of the extinction rebellion for us all rebellion protest for us all tay. — rebellion protest for us all tay. tt— rebellion protest for us all tay. tt aae— rebellion protest for us all day. it was nice— rebellion protest for us all day. it was nice to hear the terre— day. it was nice to hear the taere— day. it was nice to hear the views there of— day. it was nice to hear the views there of borsh, wasn't it ateat— views there of borsh, wasn't it ateat tae— views there of borsh, wasn't it about the reasons— views there of borsh, wasn't it about the reasons why people are tetatag— about the reasons why people are joining extinction— about the reasons why people are joining extinction rebellion. i tast— joining extinction rebellion. i taet eaa-t— joining extinction rebellion. i taet eaa-t teta— joining extinction rebellion. i just can't help but wonder how taey— just can't help but wonder how taey te— just can't help but wonder how they do respond,— just can't help but wonder how they do respond, though, and how

taey— they do respond, though, and how taey aett— they do respond, though, and how taey aett taer— they do respond, though, and how they hold their heads up when it tarae— they hold their heads up when it tarae eat— they hold their heads up when it turns out that— they hold their heads up when it turns out that their leader, tatt— turns out that their leader, gail bradbrook,— turns out that their leader, gail bradbrook, been found gail bradbrook, has been found trtvtag—aat- driving a diesel car and eaeeetag. — driving a diesel car and shopping. you driving a diesel car and shopping. .you where shopping. can you guess where as trattreeee— shopping. can you guess where as waitrose?-shopping- waitrose? yeah, shopping at trattreee— waitrose? yeah, shopping at waitrose buying this waitrose and buying all this ere—eaetaget— waitrose and buying all this pre—packaged long distance fruit and pre—packaged long distance fruit aat start— pre—packaged long distance fruit aat etatt .— pre—packaged long distance fruit and stuff . does— pre—packaged long distance fruit and stuff . does it— pre—packaged long distance fruit and stuff . does it not feel as and stuff. does it not feel as taeaga— and stuff. does it not feel as taeaga-eae— and stuff. does it not feel as though-one rule- and stuff. does it not feel as though one rule for them though it's one rule for them at— though it's one rule for them aat eae— though it's one rule for them aat rate— though it's one rule for them and one rule for— though it's one rule for them and one rule for the rest of us? vea— and one rule for the rest of us? tea taere— and one rule for the rest of us? tea know-they— and one rule for the rest of us? you know,.they not- and one rule for the rest of us? you know, they not want us you know, do they not want us all you know, do they not want us at te— you know, do they not want us at te ge— you know, do they not want us at te ge aat— you know, do they not want us all to go and get— you know, do they not want us all to go and get electric cars? t hey— all to go and get electric cars? taey taat— all to go and get electric cars? taey aaat ae— all to go and get electric cars? they want us all— all to go and get electric cars? they want us all to do more, to do they want us all to do more, to te att— they want us all to do more, to te att taeee— they want us all to do more, to do all these eco— they want us all to do more, to do all these eco friendly tttage— do all these eco friendly things. meanwhile, you've things. and meanwhile, you've got things. and meanwhile, you've get—teatea- things. and meanwhile, you've got—decides to. things. and meanwhile, you've. got—decides to not got this lady who decides to not get-te — got this lady who decides to not get-te get— got this lady who decides to not get to get allegedly anyway, get not to get allegedly anyway, a aa eteetrte— get not to get allegedly anyway, a an electric because it a an electric car because it aeatt— a an electric car because it would _expensive i a an electric car because it would-expensive she would be too expensive and she aeete—ttte— would be too expensive and she aeete—ttte te- needs to take her kids to teettatt. — needs to take her kids to football. all— needs to take her kids to football. all right. well, aeat— football. all right. well, aren't these _ football. all right. well, aren't these the of aren't these the kind of infringement- infringement that you're asking us infringement that you're asking aelraate— infringement that you're asking aelraate ea— infringement that you're asking uslmake on our— infringement that you're asking us make on our lives? but us to make on our lives? but taere— us to make on our lives? but taere we— us to make on our lives? but taere we ge. — us to make on our lives? but there we go. gb— us to make on our lives? but there we go. gb views at gb news at. — there we go. gb views at gb news at. new,— there we go. gb views at gb news .uk. now, should— there we go. gb views at gb news .uk. now, should cyclists have to .uk. now, should cyclists have te—taetri to put number plates on their ttteee— to put number plates on their bikes? that's— to put number plates on their bikes? that's what one lawyer is eatttag— bikes? that's what one lawyer is eatttag ter. — bikes? that's what one lawyer is calling for. freeman says bikes? that's what one lawyer is calli pedestrians freeman says bikes? that's what one lawyer is calli pedestrians can man says bikes? that's what one lawyer is calli pedestrians can struggle; bikes? that's what one lawyer is calli pedestrians can struggle to that pedestrians can struggle to get rereeet— that pedestrians can struggle to get reeeet tt— that pedestrians can struggle to get redress if a— that pedestrians can struggle to get redress if a cyclist does tateet— get redress if a cyclist does indeed crash— get redress if a cyclist does indeed crash into them. and the mata— indeed crash into them. and the main reason for— indeed crash into them. and the main reason for that, of course, is main reason for that, of course, te teeaaee— main reason for that, of course, is because they've— main reason for that, of course, is because they've got no idea aae— is because they've got no idea aae tate— is because they've got no idea who this individual is. and teeette— who this individual is. and despite what— who this individual is. and despite what the cycling eeraraaatty— despite what the cycling community may say, it's the reattty— community may say, it's the reattty te— community may say, it's the reality is not—

community may say, it's the reality is not all— community may say, it's the reality is not all of them stop, do reality is not all of them stop, te taeye— reality is not all of them stop, te taeye se— reality is not all of them stop, do they? so he— reality is not all of them stop, do they? so he suggested that eeat— do they? so he suggested that eert et— do they? so he suggested that some sort of identification may aett.— some sort of identification may aett—aea- some sort of identification may aett—aea ty- some sort of identification mayi help._now by caspar help. i am joined now by caspar aagaee— help. i am joined now by caspar aagaee-tttttag- hughes from stop killing cyettete— hughes from stop killing cyettete .— hughes from stop killing cyclists . so,— hughes from stop killing cyclists . so, caspar, thank you cyclists. so, caspar, thank you very— cyclists. so, caspar, thank you very raaea— cyclists. so, caspar, thank you very raaea .— cyclists. so, caspar, thank you very raaea . se— cyclists. so, caspar, thank you very much . so would you cycle very much. so would you cycle aeaat— very much. so would you cycle aeaat vtta— very much. so would you cycle around with a— very much. so would you cycle around with a number plate on taate — around with a number plate on taate ne.— around with a number plate on taate we. r— around with a number plate on that? no, i wouldn't- around with a number plate on that? \tti�*t : i“ c tigtticri; that? no, i wouldn't cycle around with the number plate on why. um around with the number plate on why . um , well, for around with the number plate on why. um , well, for a simple why. um, well, for a simple taat— why. um, well, for a simple reason that ,— why. um, well, for a simple reason that , you— um, well, for a simple reason that , you know, we want reason that, you know, we want as may— reason that, you know, we want as may eeeete— reason that, you know, we want as may eeeete ae— reason that, you know, we want as many people as possible to be eyettag. — as many people as possible to be eyettag. tte— as many people as possible to be cycling. it's transport- as many people as possible to be cycling. it's transport is- as many people as possible to be cycling. c cycling. it's transport is for many reasons, you know, transport is the largest polluting and the largest emitting sector in the uk. and we need to get people out of out of their cars in in and one very healthy way to do that is to get them to cycle their short journeys and stop. it doesn't it teeea-t— journeys and stop. it doesn't it doesn't prevent— journeys and stop. it doesn't it doesn't prevent it— rit“t: it doesn't it doesn't prevent it doesn't stop eeeete— doesn't prevent it doesn't stop eeeete getttag— doesn't prevent it doesn't stop people getting a_ doesn't prevent it doesn't stop people getting a bike and getag,— people getting a bike and eyettag, tees— people getting a bike and cycling, does it. they just also aeet— cycling, does it. they just also aeet te— cycling, does it. they just also aeet te get— cycling, does it. they just also aeet te get a— cycling, does it. they just also need to get a number plate. and taat— need to get a number plate. and taat-raeaa— need to get a number plate. and that-mean-when- need to get a number plate. and that mean when they that might mean that when they do that might mean that when they tea—eve— that might mean that when they tea—eve tt- that might mean that when they tea—eve tt tte- that might mean that when they do_even if it's thei do hit someone, even if it's the eeteetrtaae— do hit someone, even if it's the pedestrians fault. _ do hit someone, even if it's the pedestrians fault. or pedestrians fault. caspar or evealtt-e— pedestrians fault. caspar or evenlit's-driver's- pedestrians fault. caspar or even it's driver's fault, even if it's the driver's fault, vvaatever— even if it's the driver's fault, whatever,.that,- even if it's the driver's fault, whatever, that, that cyclist whatever, for that, that cyclist te — whatever, for that, that cyclist can be identified.— whatever, for that, that cyclist can be identified. i mean, i do tave—

can be identified. i mean, i do aave te— can be identified. i mean, i do aave te eat— can be identified. i mean, i do aave te eat tt— can be identified. i mean, i do have to put it to— can be identified. i mean, i do have to put it to you. why would you— have to put it to you. why would yea aet— have to put it to you. why would yea aet vaat— have to put it to you. why would yea aet vaat te— have to put it to you. why would you not want to have a number etate— you not want to have a number etatelaateee— you not want to have a number plate-unless you— you not want to have a number plate unless you didn't want plate on unless you didn't want to.identified_ plate on unless you didn't want to.identified .7 _ plate on unless you didn't want to.identified .7 i— plate on unless you didn't want to identified ? i“ to be identified? i mean, this is to be identified? i mean, this ts a— to be identified? i mean, this is a bit of a crazy argument, patrick, because on the pavements, 99.6% of fatalities and injuries on the pavements are caused by drivers and they're not held to account despite the fact that they've got number plate. all right. but i got number plate. all right. but t aeaa— got number plate. all right. but t aay— got number plate. all right. but t vvay aet— got number plate. all right. but i mean, why not just— got number plate. all right. but i mean, why not just just- gtit all right. but i mean, why not just just for tae— i mean, why not just just for tae eate— i mean, why not just just for tae eate et— i mean, why not just just for the sake of safety, even if it tt— the sake of safety, even if it tt tt— the sake of safety, even if it even if it makes,— the sake of safety, even if it even if it makes, you know, one eee— even if it makes, you know, one eee teet— even if it makes, you know, one person feel better— even if it makes, you know, one person feel better about themselves— person feel better about themselves for getting injured at tae— themselves for getting injured at tae aaate— themselves for getting injured at the hands of— themselves for getting injured at the hands of a cyclist, i way— at the hands of a cyclist, i mean, why wilfully why wilfully eeeeee — mean, why wilfully why wilfully eeeeee tae — mean, why wilfully why wilfully eeeeee tae ttea— mean, why wilfully why wilfully oppose the idea of having some terra— oppose the idea of having some term et— oppose the idea of having some form of identification ? i mean, form of identification? i mean, vaat— form of identification? i mean, vaat are— form of identification? i mean, vaat yea— form of identification? i mean, what are you trying to get away atta— what are you trying to get away vvtta taat— what are you trying to get away with that that— what are you trying to get away with that that one— what are you trying to get away with that that one person who aeatt— with that that one person who would probably— with that that one person who would probably be pleased by tate— would probably be pleased by the te— would probably be pleased by the te ttea— would probably be pleased by this is kim-ll,— would probably be pleased by this is kim il, because the this is kim jong il, because the eaty— this is kim jong il, because the eaty-ta— this is kim jong il, because the eaty-ta tae— this is kim jong il, because the eaty-ta tae ta— this is kim jong il, because the only-in the in on- this is kim jong il, because the only in the in on the only country in the in on the gtete— only country in the in on the gtete taat— only country in the in on the globe that has— only country in the in on the globe that has got registration etatee— globe that has got registration etatee ea— globe that has got registration plates on their— globe that has got registration plates on their bikes is north teea — plates on their bikes is north teea vrty— plates on their bikes is north korea. why would - plates on their bikes is north korea. titty : plates on their bikes is north korea. : korea. why would we why why would we be looking to change our policy to become the only other country in line with north korea? yeah i mean, kim jong il,

korea? yeah i mean, kim jong ll, of course, did die in 2011, but i do take your point there . i i do take your point there. i mean, is putting a number plate on mean, is putting a number plate ea a trte— mean, is putting a number plate ea a ttte tteat— mean, is putting a number plate on a bike that would mean that if on a bike that would mean that tt tt— on a bike that would mean that tt tt tatt— on a bike that would mean that tt tt art at— on a bike that would mean that if it hit and killed— if it hit and killed a pedestrian- if it hit and killed a pedestrian or if it skipped a ret— pedestrian or if it skipped a ret ttgat— pedestrian or if it skipped a ret ttgtat er— pedestrian or if it skipped a red light or if— pedestrian or if it skipped a red light or if it— pedestrian or if it skipped a red light or if it was speeding or red light or if it was speeding er tt— red light or if it was speeding er tt tt— red light or if it was speeding er tt tt ttt— red light or if it was speeding or if it did something wrong and tteretere— or if it did something wrong and therefore made— or if it did something wrong and therefore made it— or if it did something wrong and therefore made it easier for eeeete— therefore made it easier for eeeete te— therefore made it easier for people to find— therefore made it easier for people to find out the identification, that person you taat— identification, that person you tttat taat— identification, that person you think that would— identification, that person you think that would make us north terea— think that would make us north terea e— think that would make us north terea e te— think that would make us north terea e te r— think that would make us north korea ? no i think— think that would make us north korea ? no i think i would look korea? no i think i would look at t. — korea? no i think i would look at t. teet— korea? no i think i would look at t. teet at— korea? no i think i would look at it. look at it— korea? no i think i would look at it. c g at it. look at it slightly differently. are you do you want to see registration numbers on on people cycling to reduce the injuries that we have on the roads and the pavements ? is that roads and the pavements? is that or do you think it's going to reduce for them to be accountable a number plate is in itself going to reduce it. what i do, i, i refuse to gtitt “g :i c what i do, i, i refuse to believe. taster— i do, i, i refuse to believe. taeeer tteat— i do, i, i refuse to believe. kasper that you- i do, i, i refuse to believe. kasper that you do not understand— kasper that you do not understand the point of what i'm aettag— understand the point of what i'm aettag taere— understand the point of what i'm asking here. and— understand the point of what i'm asking here. and i— understand the point of what i'm asking here. and i do wonder why yea-re— asking here. and i do wonder why ye aet—

asking here. and i do wonder why ye aet tast— asking here. and i do wonder why you're not just answering the gaeettea— you're not just answering the question directly. i mean, what veatt— question directly. i mean, what veatt te— question directly. i mean, what veatt te tte— question directly. i mean, what would be the problem with eyettete— would be the problem with cyclists having _ would be the problem with cyclists having a number plate on cyclists having a number plate ea ee tteat— cyclists having a number plate ea ee ttat tt— cyclists having a number plate on so that if there— cyclists having a number plate on so that if there is unfortunately an accident and treat— unfortunately an accident and treat-tees— unfortunately an accident and that-does decide- unfortunately an accident and that does decide to that cyclist does decide to teave— that cyclist does decide to teave tae— that cyclist does decide to leave the scene, that there's more chance that- leave the scene, that there's more chance that they might be tett—ter— more chance that they might be held—for breaking- more chance that they might be held for breaking the more chance that they might be held why for breaking the more chance that they might be held why would for breaking the more chance that they might be held why would you»reaking the more chance that they might be held why would you oppose the more chance that they might be held why would you oppose that ? law. why would you oppose that? vrett. — law. why would you oppose that? vrett. ictn— law. why would you oppose that? vrett. ictn t— law. why would you oppose that? vrett.|eaa t aa— law. why would you oppose that? well,lcan i can answer- law. why would you oppose that? well,lcan i can answer that- well, i can i can answer that directly you want . and directly again if you want. and you know, the answer is why would you create an additional barrier to people cycling when we know full well that having more people cycling and less people driving is has net worth for society and actually reduces the injuries and deaths on the road , do you not have a public road, do you not have a public duty though? you know i mean if trtvere— duty though? you know i mean if trtvere aave— duty though? you know i mean if drivers have got— duty though? you know i mean if drivers have got if— ch 3“ you know i mean if drivers have got if anyone's got a eattte— drivers have got if anyone's got a eattte taty— drivers have got if anyone's got a eattte taty te— drivers have got if anyone's got a public duty to cyclist you taea— a public duty to cyclist you know drivers— a public duty to cyclist you know drivers have to abide by the know drivers have to abide by tae eyete— know drivers have to abide by the cycle lanes. _ know drivers have to abide by the cycle lanes. i— know drivers have to abide by the cycle lanes. i know that yae— the cycle lanes. i know that ye getag— the cycle lanes. i know that ye getag te— the cycle lanes. i know that you're going to say not all of them — you're going to say not all of them te. — you're going to say not all of them te. tat— you're going to say not all of them do. and that's fair enough. not them do. and that's fair enough. net a— them do. and that's fair enough. net aiet— them do. and that's fair enough. net aiet ttea— them do. and that's fair enough. not a.of them do. - them do. and that's fair enough. not a of them do. a lot of a not a lot of them do. a lot of a lot not a lot of them do. a lot of a tet et— not a lot of them do. a lot of a lot of drivers— not a lot of them do. a lot of a lot of drivers are— not a lot of them do. a lot of a lot of drivers are terrible tevarte— lot of drivers are terrible towards cyclists, lot of towards cyclists, a lot of pedestrians— towards cyclists, a lot of pedestrians are careless when it eeraee—t— pedestrians are careless when it eeraee—t ara aet- comes to cyclists. i am not tteeattag—eatl comes to cyclists. i am not. disputing—but what disputing that at all. but what i disputing that at all. but what t-atee— disputing that at all. but what t-atee eaytag— disputing that at all. but what i-also saying is— disputing that at all. but what i also saying is that a lot i am also saying is that a lot of i am also saying is that a lot

et eyettete— i am also saying is that a lot of cyclists are— i am also saying is that a lot of cyclists are an— i am also saying is that a lot of cyclists are an absolute atgatraare— of cyclists are an absolute nightmare as— of cyclists are an absolute nightmare as well and people aave— nightmare as well and people aave-ge— nightmare as well and people aavelge-et— nightmare as well and people have i go .of their- nightmare as well and people have go of their way for have to go out of their way for tea — have to go out of their way for tea _taey- have to go out of their way for tea _taey taet| have to go out of their way for. them._they just do them. so why can't they just do them. so why can't they just do tae-eearteey- them. so why can't they just do| the-courtesy-other the common courtesy that other reat— the common courtesy that other aeat-eaves— the common courtesy that other road-drivers who- the common courtesy that other road drivers who pay road users do? drivers who pay reat— road users do? drivers who pay aeat-ter— road users do? drivers who pay road-for example,- road users do? drivers who pay road for example, as well? road tax, for example, as well? tear— road tax, for example, as well? tear-ratat— road tax, for example, as well? bear-mind that— road tax, for example, as well? bear mind that they have to bear in mind that they have to taey— bear in mind that they have to taey trave— bear in mind that they have to taey trave te— bear in mind that they have to they have to make allowances. tav— they have to make allowances. tax taea-t— they have to make allowances. tax hasn't existed— they have to make allowances. tax hasn't existed since- tax hasn't existed since 1938, but well, you've but that's cool. well, you've patt— but that's cool. well, you've part-year— but that's cool. well, you've part-year - but that's cool. well, you've paid _your car. you- but that's cool. well, you've| paid-your car. you get paid tax on your car. you get ateat— paid tax on your car. you get vaat t— paid tax on your car. you get vaat t aeaa— paid tax on your car. you get what i mean, right? you pay what i mean, right? so you pay to what i mean, right? so you pay teaae-— what i mean, right? so you pay teear- tea— what i mean, right? so you pay to-car. you have- what i mean, right? so you pay to-car. you have to. what i mean, right? so you pay to car. you have to do to tax your car. you have to do att— to tax your car. you have to do at et— to tax your car. you have to do at et tate— to tax your car. you have to do all of this stuff— to tax your car. you have to do all of this stuff for— to tax your car. you have to do all of this stuff for your car. tea— all of this stuff for your car. vea aay— all of this stuff for your car. vea pay a— all of this stuff for your car. vea pay a tax— all of this stuff for your car. you pay a tax on- all of this stuff for your car. you pay a tax on the emissions of you pay a tax on the emissions et year— you pay a tax on the emissions of your vehicle. _ you pay a tax on the emissions of your vehicle. t/tittir ' “t: of your vehicle. yes. and obviously, you you own an obviously, if you if you own an electric vehicle, you don't pay tax. right. okay. so why aeatta-t— tax. right. okay. so why wouldn't-just- critx right. okay. so why wouldn't just the tax. right. okay. so why- wouldn't-just.the sake wouldn't you just for the sake of wouldn't you just for the sake et-eatety— wouldn't you just for the sake of-safety and- wouldn't you just for the sake of safety and ease, have of general safety and ease, have a aaraert— of general safety and ease, have a aaraert etate— of general safety and ease, have a number plate-the- of general safety and ease, have a number plate the back of of general safety and ease, have a nuicar? plate the back of of general safety and ease, have a nuicar? itlate the back of of general safety and ease, have a nuicar? it does the back of of general safety and ease, have a nuicar? it does make back of of general safety and ease, have a nuicar? it does make itick of of general safety and ease, have a nuicar? it does make it look your car? it does make it look a ttttte— your car? it does make it look a ttttte ttt— your car? it does make it look a ttttte in, t— your car? it does make it look a little bit, i think,— your car? it does make it look a little bit, i think, like you vaat— little bit, i think, like you vaat te— little bit, i think, like you vaat te get— little bit, i think, like you want to get away with hitting a tee— want to get away with hitting a eee aat— want to get away with hitting a person and then— want to get away with hitting a person and then cycling off. no,— person and then cycling off. ne. that-e— person and then cycling off. ne. ttat-e et— person and then cycling off. no, that's of course,- person and then cycling off. no, that's of course, you- person and then cycling off. no, that's of course, you don't want to get away with hitting a person and cycling off. but talking hitting and talking of hitting people and driving that happens driving off, that happens daily. five people are killed every single by drivers. and you single day by drivers. and you know, are registered and know, they are registered and they insured. i always they are insured. i will always approach conversations approach these conversations with how can we reduce with a view to how can we reduce the injuries and deaths on the

road know, creating an road and, you know, creating an additional and extra additional barrier and the extra cost administration cost and administration of forcibly requiring all everybody cycling children cycling including children to have registration numbers isn't a to that . that is a way a way to do that. that is a way to people into cars not to push people into cars not attract people out of cars. okay it's just i just find there's a ratat— it's just i just find there's a tatat nav— it's just i just find there's a fatal flaw what— it's just i just find there's a fatal flaw what you're saying tere— fatal flaw what you're saying taere tt— fatal flaw what you're saying taere tt yea — fatal flaw what you're saying here if you excuse the pun, just taeet— here if you excuse the pun, just taeet aeaat— here if you excuse the pun, just based around the— here if you excuse the pun, just based around the fact that by someone who— based around the fact that by someone who already owns the ttte.— someone who already owns the ttte. ttgat— someone who already owns the ttte. ttgat. aaet— someone who already owns the bike. right. just getting a aaraert— bike. right. just getting a number plate— bike. right. just getting a number plate put on it as eeeeeet— number plate put on it as eeeeeet te— number plate put on it as opposed to you're thinking that veatt— opposed to you're thinking that veatt-ttea— opposed to you're thinking that would-them more- opposed to you're thinking that would them more likely to would make them more likely to go would make them more likely to tie-of— would make them more likely to go-of-wav_ would make them more likely to ge-et-vvay te- would make them more likely to ge-et-vvay te tray- would make them more likely to ge-et-vvay te tay a- would make them more likely to go of way to buy a car go out of their way to buy a car at greater— go out of their way to buy a car at greater expense _ go out of their way to buy a car at greater expense to get insurance-car,- at greater expense to get insurance car, to at greater expense to get. insurance-car, to get insurance on that car, to get vvaatever— insurance on that car, to get vvaatever-ear— insurance on that car, to get whatever car needs order whatever that car needs in order for whatever that car needs in order tea-te— whatever that car needs in order for-be roadworthy.- whatever that car needs in order for be roadworthy. you for it to be roadworthy. you taat— for it to be roadworthy. you tttat-ty— for it to be roadworthy. you think by putting a for it to be roadworthy. you- think-by putting a number think simply by putting a number etate— think simply by putting a number nate-taat— think simply by putting a number etate-taet et— think simply by putting a number etate-taet et a— think simply by putting a number plate back of a cycle, a plate on the back of a cycle, a tteyete— plate on the back of a cycle, a tteyete .— plate on the back of a cycle, a tteyete , taat— plate on the back of a cycle, a bicycle , that that— plate on the back of a cycle, a bicycle , that that would make bicycle, that that would make eeeete— bicycle, that that would make eeeete-tttety- bicycle, that that would make people likely, that would bicycle, that that would make petsoe likely, that would bicycle, that that would make p6150 much likely, that would bicycle, that that would make p6150 much effortf, that would bicycle, that that would make p6150 much effort foriat would bicycle, that that would make p6150 much effort for them uld bicycle, that that would make p6150 much effort for them that be so much effort for them that taey— be so much effort for them that taey veatt— be so much effort for them that they would then _ be so much effort for them that they would then to go to they would then have to go to all they would then have to go to attltae — they would then have to go to all-the efforts— they would then have to go to all the efforts just getting all of the efforts just getting all of the efforts just getting aar reatty— all of the efforts just getting a car, really. but— all of the efforts just getting a car, really. but but it's not tast— a car, really. but but it's not taet etaety— a car, really. but but it's not just simply putting a number etate— just simply putting a number etate ea— just simply putting a number etate ea a— just simply putting a number plate on a bike. just simply putting a number plate on a bike. just simply putting a number plate on a bike. i mean, you know that you own a car. don't you? i'm guessing, you know full well that it's not. you don't just go buy a registration

just go and buy a registration number it your car. number and put it on your car. there's the whole process of registering your car isn't there. there lazy. there. so there lazy. it's that's what know, there's that's what you know, there's cost, there's administration. all additional all of these are additional barriers cycling. and barriers to people cycling. and how going administer how are you going to administer this kids. you know seven this for kids. you know seven year cycling school. year olds cycling to school. yeah, have yeah, well, presumably we have a aaraert— yeah, well, presumably we have a aarater-ea— yeah, well, presumably we have a number-on them— yeah, well, presumably we have a number-on them as- yeah, well, presumably we have a number on them as well, number plate on them as well, vaca— number plate on them as well, vita-atea— number plate on them as well, which.-who's going- number plate on them as well, which.-who's going to. number plate on them as well, which. and who's going to pay that cost ? well, the parents, that cost? well, the parents, i veatt— that cost? well, the parents, i would imagine— that cost? well, the parents, i would imagine ,— that cost? well, the parents, i would imagine , who- i“ well, the parents, i would imagine , who bought them would imagine, who bought them the would imagine, who bought them tae ttte. — would imagine, who bought them tae ttte. nay— would imagine, who bought them the bike. why well, who bought them — the bike. why well, who bought them .ttte— the bike. why well, who bought them .ttte e— the bike. why well, who bought them .bike ? yeah.- the bike. why well, who bought them bike ? yeah. that's them the bike? yeah. that's rttteateae— them the bike? yeah. that's ridiculous. _ them the bike? yeah. that's ridiculous. so— them the bike? yeah. that's ridiculous. e�*ct: ridiculous. so the additional cost is, is yet another barrier to people cycling. and we need to people cycling. and we need to get people more people cycling because it benefits society. okay, cycling because it benefits society . okay, casper all right. society. okay, casper all right. taaat— society. okay, casper all right. taaat yea— society. okay, casper all right. taaat yea very— i cc; okay, casper all right. thank you very much, casper nagaee— thank you very much, casper nagaee taere— thank you very much, casper hughes there from stop killing cyettete. — hughes there from stop killing cyettete. net— hughes there from stop killing cyclists. not giving an inch aayvay. — cyclists. not giving an inch anywav- right _ cyclists. not giving an inch anyway. right. dominic raab has reetgaet— anyway. right. dominic raab has resigned-prime— anyway. right. dominic raab has resigned prime minister, resigned as prime minister, aeeaty— resigned as prime minister, aeaaty eaae— resigned as prime minister, deputy prime minister, that veatt— deputy prime minister, that would _wouldn'tl deputy prime minister, that. would—wouldn't it? would be a story, wouldn't it? tater—tagatry- would be a story, wouldn't it? after—inquiry, he'si after a bullying inquiry, he's not after a bullying inquiry, he's aet-gatetty— after a bullying inquiry, he's not quietly, though. not gone quietly, though. he says— not gone quietly, though. he says tteat— not gone quietly, though. he says that departure sets says that his departure sets a taagereae— says that his departure sets a dangerous precedent. he has eeetea— dangerous precedent. he has eeetealee— dangerous precedent. he has spoken gb news. so ijust spoken to gb news. so i just vaat— spoken to gb news. so i just vaat te— spoken to gb news. so i just want to reiterate— spoken to gb news. so i just want to reiterate this. we can treat— want to reiterate this. we can treat tate— want to reiterate this. we can break this to— want to reiterate this. we can break this to now. he has break this to you now. he has eeetea—vtae-el

spoken to gb news, who's tettevtag— spoken to gb news, who'si following—can following this. and you can watta— following this. and you can vateta tteat— following this. and you can watch that here— following this. and you can watch that here just after 5:00. so watch that here just after 5:00. se stay— watch that here just after 5:00. se etay taaet— watch that here just after 5:00. so stay tuned and— watch that here just after 5:00. so stay tuned and make sure that you so stay tuned and make sure that yea-neve— so stay tuned and make sure that yea-aaeve er— so stay tuned and make sure that you move or anything right you don't move or anything right after— you don't move or anything right atter seee.— you don't move or anything right after 5:00. you,— you don't move or anything right after 5:00. you, ladies and geatteraeat— after 5:00. you, ladies and gentlemen, from gentlemen, will be hearing from aeratate— gentlemen, will be hearing from aeratate taat— gentlemen, will be hearing from dominic raab right here on this strea— dominic raab right here on this they .— dominic raab right here on this they . se— dominic raab right here on this they . se tte— dominic raab right here on this show . so the government also in show. so the government also in etaer— show. so the government also in etaer-taae— show. so the government also in ether-aae vea— show. so the government also in other-has won a- show. so the government also in other has won a high court other news, has won a high court tattte— other news, has won a high court battle-council— other news, has won a high court battle-council that- battle with a council that vaatet— battle with a council that vaatet te— battle with a council that wanted to stop- battle with a council that wanted to stop migrants being teaeet— wanted to stop migrants being teaeet at— wanted to stop migrants being teaeet at aa— wanted to stop migrants being housed at an airbase. i'm housed at an raf airbase. i'm ratrtet—ee- housed at an raf airbase. i'm patrick—gb news. housed at an raf airbase. i'm. patrick—gb news and patrick christys on gb news and we patrick christys on gb news and ve-erttata-e— patrick christys on gb news and we-britain's news— patrick christys on gb news and we-britain's news .-

rational debate. we've got to vert— rational debate. we've got to vert eat— rational debate. we've got to work out how— rational debate. we've got to work out how britain moves tervvart— work out how britain moves forward from _ work out how britain moves forward from this. join us . here forward from this. join us. here neteerae— forward from this. join us. here welcome back. _ forward from this. join us. here welcome back. ttitri“ t“ vi. forward from this. join us. here welcome back. ttitti“ t“ ti. 7 forward from this. join us. here welcome back. jtitti“ t“ ti. “ welcome back. dominic raab has resigned as deputy prime minister after a bullying inquiry and there has been a monumental fallout after that. i can now confirm to you that he has spoken to gb news following this and you'll be able to watch that right here in just a few minutes on gb news. so stay where we will bring where you are. we will bring dominic to you, former dominic raab to you, former deputy prime minister, in the wake resignation earlier

wake of his resignation earlier on. before that, it is on. but before that, it is a significant day in the government's battle to get control of the migrant crisis. braintree district council has lost court bid prevent lost a high court bid to prevent the government asylum the government housing asylum seekers airfield seekers in wethersfield airfield in joining me is gb in essex. joining me now is gb news and security editor news home and security editor mark been all over mark wine, who's been all over this from the very start. mark thank very much. well, thank you very much. well, a massive , significant day, massive, significant day, not just people of the just for the people of the braintree frankly, braintree area, but frankly, probably for the uk as a whole . probably for the uk as a whole. yes there's no doubt that this whole issue of where to house these growing numbers of asylum seekers coming across the engush seekers coming across the english channel is something that the government views as a top priority motty when they in factit top priority motty when they in fact it have said through their own government lawyer earlier this week that they are expecting another 56,000 people coming across the channel in small boats in the year ahead . small boats in the year ahead. and combined with those and combined withythose already and combined with those already in and combined with those already ta tetet— and combined with those already ta aetet aat— and combined with those already in hotel and other— and combined with those already in hotel and other accommodation , in hotel and other accommodation . taat— in hotel and other accommodation . ttat te— in hotel and other accommodation .taat te getag— in hotel and other accommodation .taat te getag te— in hotel and other accommodation , that is going to mean somewhere—

, that is going to mean somewhere .- , that is going to mean somewhere . between 120 and somewhere. between 120 and 140,000— somewhere. between 120 and 140,000 homes— somewhere. between 120 and 140,000 homes and hotel rooms. etaer— 140,000 homes and hotel rooms. etaer eaeeertet— 140,000 homes and hotel rooms. other supported accommodation will other supported accommodation vttt te— other supported accommodation will be required— other supported accommodation will be required for these aeeete— will be required for these eeeete. se— will be required for these people. so one- will be required for these people. so one of the solutions te— people. so one of the solutions was to use the— people. so one of the solutions was to use the land that they atreaty— was to use the land that they atreaty aave.— was to use the land that they already have. crown land, the trtet— already have. crown land, the tttee et— already have. crown land, the likes of minister— already have. crown land, the likes of minister of defence tatee— likes of minister of defence bases, former— likes of minister of defence bases, former and present. now et— bases, former and present. now one of course, as— bases, former and present. now one of course, as we've just raeatteaet.— one of course, as we've just raeatteaet. te— one of course, as we've just mentioned, is at— one of course, as we've just mentioned, is at wethersfield , mentioned, is at wethersfield, tte— mentioned, is at wethersfield, near the town _ mentioned, is at wethersfield, near the town of— mentioned, is at wethersfield, near the town of braintree . near the town of braintree. neat-e— near the town of braintree. taat-e ateat— near the town of braintree. that's what this- near the town of braintree. that's what this court battle ateat.— that's what this court battle was about. braintree district ceaaett— was about. braintree district council saying— was about. braintree district council saying that the government _ council saying that the government never sought any kind of government never sought any kind et etaaatag— government never sought any kind of planning permission for this, taeretere— of planning permission for this, naeretere .— of planning permission for this, therefore , is— of planning permission for this, therefore , is in— of planning permission for this, therefore , is in breach of those therefore, is in breach of those etaaatag— therefore, is in breach of those etaaatag tave— therefore, is in breach of those etaaatag tave .— therefore, is in breach of those planning laws . and they wanted planning laws. and they wanted the planning laws. and they wanted tae tht— planning laws. and they wanted tae atga ceart— planning laws. and they wanted the high court to— planning laws. and they wanted the high court to grant an tataaettea— the high court to grant an injunction after hearing the evtteaee— injunction after hearing the evtteaee .— injunction after hearing the evidence , the— injunction after hearing the evidence , the judge in this case evidence, the judge in this case eart— evidence, the judge in this case eatt taat— evidence, the judge in this case eatt that re— evidence, the judge in this case said that he simply doesn't have the said that he simply doesn't have tae powers— said that he simply doesn't have tae eevvere te— said that he simply doesn't have the powers to grant that tataaettea — the powers to grant that injunction on— the powers to grant that injunction on this issue, and he aae— injunction on this issue, and he teae aea— injunction on this issue, and he has now ruled— injunction on this issue, and he has now ruled in— injunction on this issue, and he has now ruled in favour of the neme— has now ruled in favour of the nerae catte— has now ruled in favour of the home office. however, he has eart— home office. however, he has eatt te— home office. however, he has said to braintree— home office. however, he has said to braintree district ceaaett— said to braintree district council that— said to braintree district council that they do have a agat— council that they do have a rtgtat et—

council that they do have a agat et aeeeat— council that they do have a right of appeal if they so eeeeeta— right of appeal if they so eeeeeta .— right of appeal if they so choose . braintree district choose. braintree district ceaaett— choose. braintree district council haven't said yet whether taey— council haven't said yet whether taey vvttt— council haven't said yet whether they will indeed— council haven't said yet whether they will indeed decide to appeal— they will indeed decide to aeeeat tate— they will indeed decide to appeal this and take further tegat— appeal this and take further tegat aettea— appeal this and take further legal action. patrick absolutely, - legal action. patrick absolutely, mark,- legal action. patrick absolutely, mark, thank you very, very much. mark white there, our homeland security edhon there, our homeland security editor, who's bringing you the latest there on that court case. and it is significant, really, isn't it, because braintree district council i think, district council were, i think, trying set a precedent trying to set a precedent that if massive public if there is massive public backlash economic backlash backlash and economic backlash in public health safety in public health and safety backlash government site in public health and safety backlc'used government site in public health and safety backlc'used to government site in public health and safety backlc'used to houseiment site in public health and safety backlc'used to house asylumte being used to house asylum seekers potentially in excess of 1000 of them as well , surely 1000 of them as well, surely something can be done about that? and the answer to that would appear be no. and would appear to be no. and so whilst this news for them, whilst this bad news for them, if that was a test case, then it isindeed if that was a test case, then it is indeed going to be a test case in your area and probably one unfortunately you will one that unfortunately you will lose. on the lose. that news broke on the same of course, that we same day, of course, that we brought to the brought to you that the government able to find government is being able to find only 900 housing, only only around 900 housing, only around houses veterans around 900 houses for veterans with million pot. so it with an £8 million pot. so it can spend however money can spend however much money it's single day,

it's spending every single day, 7 million people that 7 million or so on people that have over the have just arrived over the channel. no, of course, channel. but no, of course, when it comes veterans, people it comes to our veterans, people who fought and in some cases suffered catastrophic injuries for queen and now king and country , then they essentially country, then they essentially are to languish. we don't are left to languish. we don't have the money for them. just a quick tease ahead, because i am going to be bringing to you, dominic raab right here on this show. spoke to gb show. dominic raab spoke to gb news and we have now managed to get that together for you so we can show you that. so if you stay exactly where you are or we'll be bringing you. dominic raab very, very and raab very, very shortly and he'll of his reaction, he'll get all of his reaction, won't to the fact that he's won't we, to the fact that he's had to resign or has resigned? indeed. again, just want indeed. and again, i just want to you, he said, to emphasise to you, he said, i had once four and a half had not once in four and a half years sworn or shouted at anyone, just of the eight anyone, just two of the eight complaints against him anyone, just two of the eight compupheld against him anyone, just two of the eight compupheld and against him anyone, just two of the eight compupheld and agairincluded were upheld and those included things essentially things like people essentially feeling were feeling as though they were belittled intimidated. belittled and intimidated. dominic raab course, just dominic raab of course, just saying, simply asking saying, i was simply asking people quite people to do their jobs in quite a manner. is he the a forthright manner. is he the victim snowflake culture? a forthright manner. is he the victiinot snowflake culture? a forthright manner. is he the victiinot held vflake culture? a forthright manner. is he the victiinot held back culture? a forthright manner. is he the victiinot held back and:ure? a forthright manner. is he the victiinot held back and he ?

a forthright manner. is he the victiinot held back and he won't he's not held back and he won't hold back right here on gb news very, very shortly. but it's now time for a little feature. i'm calling patrick's pick of the day, where i bring you a quick story that has caught my eye. sometimes it makes me laugh. other times i'm shocked. i just other times i'm shocked. ijust thought i'd squeeze this one in today. bringing today. today i am bringing you a story cinema and it seems story from cinema and it seems that peter pan is the latest victim of woke brigade. victim of the woke brigade. that's disney's new that's right. so disney's new peter will peter pan adaptation will feature of lost girls feature a troupe of lost girls alongside the boy never alongside the boy who never grows yes, even fairy grows up. so, yes, even fairy tales are no longer safe from hollywood's requirements of diverse casting and woke messaging. what next? bell, played by a bloke in a dress. i mean, stranger things have happened. to be fair, i do also want to point out that apparently in the original story, pan wendy that story, peter pan told wendy that girls too clever , girls were far, far too clever, far too clever to be lost boys. but now apparently they've actually simultaneously tried to go, woke and made girls thick. so not necessarily the best look there. moving on, though. yes, that's had dominic raab that's either had dominic raab will be live here this show will be live here on this show very very shortly. patrick

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channel oh good evening, everybody. patrick christys here on gb news and wow, do i have a top of the show for you, ladies and gentlemen, because we will be heanng gentlemen, because we will be hearing from dominic raab this houn hearing from dominic raab this hour. he's done a big interview with gb news i'll be playing with gb news and i'll be playing that you exclusively on this that to you exclusively on this show matter of show in just a matter of moments. you can hear from moments. so you can hear from raab, resigned raab, who, of course, resigned in controversial fashion as in very controversial fashion as deputy prime minister after some. i think we can maybe all agree quite spurious bullying allegations. he's not held back in his response to that previously. will be previously. he will not be holding right this holding back right here on this show in few minutes time. in show in a few minutes time. in other news, though. okay. other news, though. yes. okay. so are our veterans so veterans are our veterans being down paper ? a new being let down on paper? a new £8 million fund for them to get some housing? sounds great for veterans fallen on hard veterans who've fallen on hard times. but look at amount of

times. but look at the amount of money we are spending every money that we are spending every single day housing people who've just across just made their way across the channel. government has channel. but the government has just court to case be just won a high court to case be able to plunk around a thousand of in braintree. for of them in braintree. for goodness be goodness sake, could they not be doing same for our dear doing the same for our dear veterans? finally as well, a veterans? and finally as well, a big of protest taking place big day of protest taking place at moment central london. at the moment in central london. this around extinction this is based around extinction rebellion going rebellion i am, however, going to a just stop oil to be having a just stop oil character in the studio very shortly and we're going have character in the studio very sichat' and we're going have character in the studio very sichat aboutve're going have character in the studio very sichat about thee going have character in the studio very sichat about the factng have character in the studio very sichat about the fact that have character in the studio very sichat about the fact that two e a chat about the fact that two of them, of course, have been done for hoisting themselves up a remaining a bridge and remaining there whilst to best save whilst doing their to best save the planet. christys the planet. patrick christys here miss this here on gb news. don't miss this robin sevilla . okay, so that robin sevilla. okay, so that inbox gb views of gbnews.uk don't forget as well. i was talking about whether or not cyclists should be made to use number plates. that has got a lot of reaction in the inbox, so far. do think they should? far. do you think they should? and of course, yes. like i've said, dominic raab live on this show , very shortly. patrick show very, very shortly. patrick christys . gb news. good

christys. gb news. good afternoon. i'm- christys. gb news. good afternoon. i'm arron- cit \ good afternoon. i'm arron armstrong in afternoon. i'm arron armstrong ta tae— afternoon. i'm arron armstrong ta tae ee— afternoon. i'm arron armstrong in the gb newsroom at a minute aaet— in the gb newsroom at a minute aaet five.— in the gb newsroom at a minute aaet ttve. tet-e— in the gb newsroom at a minute past five, let's get— in the gb newsroom at a minute past five, let's get you up to tate— past five, let's get you up to tate vtta— past five, let's get you up to date with the— past five, let's get you up to date with the headlines. oliver eevtea— date with the headlines. oliver eevtea aae— date with the headlines. oliver dowden has been— date with the headlines. oliver dowden has been appointed as the new dowden has been appointed as the eeeaty— dowden has been appointed as the aeaaty eaae— dowden has been appointed as the new deputy prime minister tettevtag— new deputy prime minister following the— new deputy prime minister following the resignation of aeratate— following the resignation of dominic raab— following the resignation of dominic raab over bullying attegatteae— dominic raab over bullying allegations .— dominic raab over bullying allegations. mr dominic raab over bullying allegations . mr dowden says he's allegations. mr dowden says he's teeety— allegations. mr dowden says he's teeety aeaearet— allegations. mr dowden says he's deeply honoured to— allegations. mr dowden says he's deeply honoured to take the role and deeply honoured to take the role aat teete— deeply honoured to take the role and looks forward _ deeply honoured to take the role and looks forward to tackling the and looks forward to tackling tae teeaee— and looks forward to tackling the issues that— and looks forward to tackling the issues that matter most to the issues that matter most to tae eeeete — the issues that matter most to tae eeeete et— the issues that matter most to the people of this— the issues that matter most to the people of this country. he vttt— the people of this country. he vttt reraata— the people of this country. he will remain in— the people of this country. he will remain in his— the people of this country. he will remain in his role as chancellor— will remain in his role as chancellor duchy of chancellor of the duchy of taaeaeter— chancellor of the duchy of lancaster as— chancellor of the duchy of lancaster as well . meanwhile, lancaster as well. meanwhile, reataetag— lancaster as well. meanwhile, reetaetag n.— lancaster as well. meanwhile, replacing mr raab as justice secretary— replacing mr raab as justice secretary te— replacing mr raab as justice secretary is alex chalk, making arra— secretary is alex chalk, making atra tae— secretary is alex chalk, making atra tae ata— secretary is alex chalk, making him the 11th person appointed to treat— him the 11th person appointed to that rete— him the 11th person appointed to that role since— him the 11th person appointed to that role since 2010. the mp for ctetteaaara— that role since 2010. the mp for cheltenham has— that role since 2010. the mp for cheltenham has held positions as a teeteaee— cheltenham has held positions as a defence minister.— cheltenham has held positions as a defence minister. a barrister aat— a defence minister. a barrister aat a— a defence minister. a barrister aat a terraer— a defence minister. a barrister and a former solicitor general . and a former solicitor general. nae— and a former solicitor general. tae tav— and a former solicitor general. the law society— and a former solicitor general. the law society warns that he taaertte— the law society warns that he taaertte aa — the law society warns that he inherits an even— the law society warns that he inherits an even worse justice easte— inherits an even worse justice ertete ttaa— inherits an even worse justice ertete taaa aay— inherits an even worse justice crisis than any of— inherits an even worse justice crisis than any of his predecessors . as the crisis than any of his— predecessors . as the appointment predecessors. as the appointment tatee— predecessors. as the appointment tatee tateet— predecessors. as the appointment dates follow, dominic raab's reetgaattea— dates follow, dominic raab's resignation from _ dates follow, dominic raab's resignation from government arter— resignation from government atter a— resignation from government after a bullying— resignation from government after a bullying inquiry found

he after a bullying inquiry found ae aetet— after a bullying inquiry found ae aetet ta— after a bullying inquiry found he acted in an— after a bullying inquiry found he acted in an intimidating and aggreeetve— he acted in an intimidating and aggreeetve aay— he acted in an intimidating and aggressive way towards staff . aggressive way towards staff. it's understood— aggressive way towards staff. it's understood in one instance he it's understood in one instance ae erttteteet— it's understood in one instance he criticised the— it's understood in one instance he criticised the work of civil eervaate— he criticised the work of civil eervaate ae— he criticised the work of civil servants as utterly useless . he servants as utterly useless. he atte— servants as utterly useless. he was also found— servants as utterly useless. he was also found to— servants as utterly useless. he was also found to have committed an was also found to have committed aa ataee— was also found to have committed an abuse or misuse— was also found to have committed an abuse or misuse of power that aaterrataet— an abuse or misuse of power that aaterrataet er— an abuse or misuse of power that undermined or humiliated etttetate— undermined or humiliated officials. mr— undermined or humiliated officials. mr raab said , was officials. mr raab said, was tatetttag— officials. mr raab said, was labelling these— officials. mr raab said, was labelling these actions as tattytag— labelling these actions as bullying could— labelling these actions as bullying could have a negative tattaeaee— bullying could have a negative influence on— bullying could have a negative influence on ministers work . influence on ministers work. t-m — influence on ministers work. t-m very— influence on ministers work. i'm very confident— influence on ministers work. i'm very confident that- influence on ministers work. i'm very confident that i- influence on ministers work. i'm very confident that i didn't behave in a bullying way. i'm very confident that i didn't behave in a bullying way . most behave in a bullying way. most of these allegations were dismissed out of hand. being able to pull very senior civil servants, not junior members of staff, up and say , look, i don't staff, up and say, look, i don't have the basic information to decide this. that was one of the things on which i was found to have been bullying because i defended someone or because i said in relation to human rights reform , to get more foreign reform, to get more foreign national offenders removed from this country, to strengthen free speech, which i said i thought the department were being obstructive. if these kind of things amount to bullying, then i think it puts a handbrake, a paralysing effect on ministers .

paralysing effect on ministers. well, plenty more from that tatervtev— well, plenty more from that interview coming up this hour. neaavvtatte.— interview coming up this hour. meanwhile, in— interview coming up this hour. meanwhile, in his— interview coming up this hour. meanwhile, in his resignation tetter— meanwhile, in his resignation tetter .— meanwhile, in his resignation tetter . na— meanwhile, in his resignation letter , mr raab— meanwhile, in his resignation letter , mr raab said this in letter, mr raab said this in eetttag— letter, mr raab said this in eetttag tae— letter, mr raab said this in setting the threshold for tattytag— setting the threshold for. bullying—inquiry bullying so low, this inquiry taae— bullying so low, this inquiry teae eet— bullying so low, this inquiry teae eet a— bullying so low, this inquiry has set a dangerous precedent aat— has set a dangerous precedent aat ae— has set a dangerous precedent and he warned— has set a dangerous precedent and he warned the prime minister it and he warned the prime minister tt att— and he warned the prime minister it will encourage— and he warned the prime minister it will encourage spurious eeraetatate— it will encourage spurious complaints against minister and rave— complaints against minister and taveleattttag— complaints against minister and have chilling effect on those have a chilling effect on those trtvtag—etl have a chilling effect on thosei trtvtag—et tae driving change on behalf of the eeveraraeat— driving change on behalf of the eeveraraeat .— driving change on behalf of the government . accepting mr raab's government. accepting mr raab's reetgaattea— government. accepting mr raab's reetgaattea .— government. accepting mr raab's reetgaattea . aa— government. accepting mr raab's resignation , an rishi sunak resignation, an rishi sunak agreet— resignation, an rishi sunak agreet taere— resignation, an rishi sunak agreed there were shortcomings in agreed there were shortcomings ta tae— agreed there were shortcomings in the historic— agreed there were shortcomings in the historic process that had aegattvety— in the historic process that had negatively affected everyone tavetvet— negatively affected everyone tavetvet .— negatively affected everyone involved . well,— negatively affected everyone involved . well, the liberal involved. well, the liberal eeraeerate— involved. well, the liberal democrats are _ involved. well, the liberal democrats are calling for a ty—eteettea— democrats are calling for a by—election in— democrats are calling for a by—election in raab's constituency- by—election in raab's constituency of esher and walton and constituency of esher and walton aat tte— constituency of esher and walton and the labour— constituency of esher and walton and the labour leader, sir keir starraer.— and the labour leader, sir keir starraer. aae— and the labour leader, sir keir starmer, has criticised the taae— starmer, has criticised the prime minister— starmer, has criticised the prime minister over what he's eattet— prime minister over what he's called indecision— prime minister over what he's called indecision and weakness in called indecision and weakness ta attevvtag— called indecision and weakness ta attevtag n.— called indecision and weakness in allowing mr raab to resign . in allowing mr raab to resign. nett— in allowing mr raab to resign. nett tte— in allowing mr raab to resign. nett tte ttg— in allowing mr raab to resign. well the big question- in allowing mr raab to resign. well the big question for- in allowing mr raab to resign. well the big question for the prime minister is why he was so weak to appoint him in the first place. the second question for the prime minister is why didn't sack him? and now it's left to to dominic raab resign and the prime minister hasn't acted. and it's that indecision an it's that weakness. i think that goes

to the heart, not just of this prime but of 13 years prime minister, but of 13 years now failure . in prime minister, but of 13 years now failure. in other prime minister, but of 13 years now failure . in other news, now of failure. in other news, ttte— now of failure. in other news, this afternoon,— now of failure. in other news, this afternoon, two— ”c: in other news, this afternoon, two just stop oil protesters— this afternoon, two just stop oil protesters who scaled a trttge— oil protesters who scaled a trttge eve— oil protesters who scaled a bridge over the _ oil protesters who scaled a bridge over the dartford ereeetag— bridge over the dartford crossing last— bridge over the dartford crossing last october have been tattet. — crossing last october have been tattet. nortetn— crossing last october have been jailed. morgan trowland has been eeateaeet— jailed. morgan trowland has been eeateaeet te — jailed. morgan trowland has been sentenced to three— jailed. morgan trowland has been sentenced to three years. and nareae— sentenced to three years. and marcus dekker— sentenced to three years. and marcus dekker two years and seven months— marcus dekker two years and seven months for— marcus dekker two years and seven months for causing a eattte— seven months for causing a public nuisance.— seven months for causing a public nuisance. the pair argued it public nuisance. the pair argued tt vva— public nuisance. the pair argued tt a— public nuisance. the pair argued it was a peaceful— public nuisance. the pair argued it was a peaceful protest, but tae— it was a peaceful protest, but tae tatge— it was a peaceful protest, but the judge disagreed, saying they teeervet— the judge disagreed, saying they teeervet te— the judge disagreed, saying they deserved to be— the judge disagreed, saying they deserved to be punished for eaaetag— deserved to be punished for causing chaos— deserved to be punished for causing chaos and also to stop etaer— causing chaos and also to stop etaer eeeete— causing chaos and also to stop other people copying them . other people copying them. eratatree— other people copying them. braintree district council has teet— braintree district council has teet tte— braintree district council has teet tte tht— braintree district council has lost its high court bid to stop the weather's— lost its high court bid to stop the weather's field airfield in essex— the weather's field airfield in teeex tetag— the weather's field airfield in essex being used to house asylum ereeete— essex being used to house asylum ereeete . tae— essex being used to house asylum seekers . the government plans to seekers. the government plans to eraraetaeat— seekers. the government plans to eraraetaeat ae— seekers. the government plans to accommodate as many as 1700 ratgraate— accommodate as many as 1700 migrants there— accommodate as many as 1700 migrants there for— accommodate as many as 1700 migrants there for up to six raeatae— migrants there for up to six months each. _ migrants there for up to six months each. the judge said he ttta-t— months each. the judge said he ttta-t trave— months each. the judge said he didn't have the— months each. the judge said he didn't have the legal power to graat— didn't have the legal power to graat tae— didn't have the legal power to grant the council's application for grant the council's application ter aa— grant the council's application for an injunction— grant the council's application for an injunction .— grant the council's application for an injunction . the for an injunction. the confederation of british tataetry-e— confederation of british industry's future is in doubt as tartaer— industry's future is in doubt as tarttaer rarate— industry's future is in doubt as further major uk— industry's future is in doubt as further major uk companies have gart— further major uk companies have gatt tetay— further major uk companies have

quit today following a second rate— quit today following a second rape allegation— quit today following a second rape allegation from a woman vverttag— rape allegation from a woman verttag ter— rape allegation from a woman working for the— rape allegation from a woman working for the business group. natneet— working for the business group. natneet aat— working for the business group. natwest and john lewis have tetaet— natwest and john lewis have tetaet etaer— natwest and john lewis have joined other big— natwest and john lewis have joined other big businesses, taetattag— joined other big businesses, including bmw— joined other big businesses, including bmw and virgin media, 02 .— including bmw and virgin media, oz . ta— including bmw and virgin media, 02 , in cancelling— including bmw and virgin media, 02 , in cancelling their o2, in cancelling their involvement- o2, in cancelling their involvement with the crisis hit greae. — involvement with the crisis hit greae. nae— involvement with the crisis hit group. the guardian reports the atteget— group. the guardian reports the alleged victim— group. the guardian reports the alleged victim claims she was raeet— alleged victim claims she was raeet ty— alleged victim claims she was raeet ty tae— alleged victim claims she was raped by two male colleagues . raped by two male colleagues. nae— raped by two male colleagues. tae cer— raped by two male colleagues. tae cg. eaye— raped by two male colleagues. the cbi says it's— raped by two male colleagues. the cbi says it's working eteeety— the cbi says it's working closely with _ the cbi says it's working closely with police to ensure aeraetratere— closely with police to ensure perpetrators are _ closely with police to ensure perpetrators are brought to taste.— perpetrators are brought to justice. conservative mp julian tatgtt— justice. conservative mp julian tatgat eaye— justice. conservative mp julian tatgat eaye tae— justice. conservative mp julian knight says he doesn't want the rety— knight says he doesn't want the tery wate— knight says he doesn't want the tory whip reinstated and he aea-t— tory whip reinstated and he vvea-t te— tory whip reinstated and he won't be standing again at the aett— won't be standing again at the aett eeaerat— won't be standing again at the next general election. it comes arter— next general election. it comes atter gette— next general election. it comes after police dropped a sexual aeeaatt— after police dropped a sexual assault allegation made against tetra.— assault allegation made against nm. nae— assault allegation made against nm. tae nt— assault allegation made against him. the mp for— assault allegation made against him. the mp for solihull , who him. the mp for solihull, who was suspended— him. the mp for solihull, who was suspended from the party ever-tarra— was suspended from the party over-claim, has- was suspended from the party over claim, has always over the claim, has always teatet— over the claim, has always denied allegation , denied the allegation, describing— denied the allegation, describing as false and describing it as false and raatteteae— describing it as false and malicious .— describing it as false and malicious. he's tweeted describing it as false and malicious . he's tweeted say malicious. he's tweeted to say it malicious. he's tweeted to say tt-treagtt— malicious. he's tweeted to say it-brought untold- malicious. he's tweeted to say it brought untold damage to it has brought untold damage to his it has brought untold damage to ate-aat— it has brought untold damage to his-and mental- it has brought untold damage to his and mental health his physical and mental health and his physical and mental health aat aae— his physical and mental health and has caused— his physical and mental health and has caused pain and distress to and has caused pain and distress te tate— and has caused pain and distress te ate taratty— and has caused pain and distress te ate taratty .— and has caused pain and distress to his family . the— and has caused pain and distress to his family . the unite union to his family. the unite union aae— to his family. the unite union has confirmed— to his family. the unite union has confirmed 1300 offshore vvererte— has confirmed 1300 offshore workers will— has confirmed 1300 offshore workers will stage a 48 hour state— workers will stage a 48 hour etrtte trera — workers will stage a 48 hour strike from monday. the walkout will strike from monday. the walkout vttt atreat—

strike from monday. the walkout will affect oil— strike from monday. the walkout will affect oil and _ strike from monday. the walkout will affect oil and gas companies,- will affect oil and gas companies, including bp. shell and companies, including bp. shell aat tetat— companies, including bp. shell and total. unite's_ companies, including bp. shell and total. unite's general secretary— and total. unite's general secretary sharon graham says taey— secretary sharon graham says taey aa— secretary sharon graham says taey eaetty— secretary sharon graham says they can easily afford to give start— they can easily afford to give etatt a— they can easily afford to give etatt a gay— they can easily afford to give staff a pay rise,— they can easily afford to give staff a pay rise, given their eeat— staff a pay rise, given their record profits. _ staff a pay rise, given their record profits. the union says state— record profits. the union says strike action _ record profits. the union says strike action could result in aretaettea— strike action could result in production shutdowns . and production shutdowns. and teaetagtea— production shutdowns. and kensington palace has released a gtete— kensington palace has released a gtete et— kensington palace has released a new photo of the— kensington palace has released a new photo of the late queen to mart— new photo of the late queen to mart vaat— new photo of the late queen to mark what would _ new photo of the late queen to mark what would have been her ttta— mark what would have been her 97th ttrtttay— mark what would have been her 97th birthday. it— mark what would have been her 97th birthday. it shows queen tttzatett— 97th birthday. it shows queen elizabeth with— 97th birthday. it shows queen elizabeth with some of her grandchildren— elizabeth with some of her grandchildren and great grandchildren and great grandchildren , including zara grandchildren, including zara ttatatt— grandchildren, including zara ttatatt .— grandchildren, including zara tindall , children on the left tindall, children on the left at— tindall, children on the left and savannah— tindall, children on the left and savannah phillips seated on the and savannah phillips seated on tae rtgtt— and savannah phillips seated on tae rtgtat .— and savannah phillips seated on tae agat . nae— and savannah phillips seated on the right . the photo was taken the right. the photo was taken by tte— the right. the photo was taken by the princess— the right. the photo was taken by the princess of— the right. the photo was taken by the princess of wales at tatraerat— by the princess of wales at balmoral last— by the princess of wales at balmoral last summer, just weeks tetere— balmoral last summer, just weeks tetere tte— balmoral last summer, just weeks before the late— balmoral last summer, just weeks before the late queen's death . before the late queen's death. nate— before the late queen's death. rate te— before the late queen's death. rate ta ta— before the late queen's death. this is gb news— before the late queen's death. this is gb news more as it aaeeeae— this is gb news more as it aaeeeae aev— this is gb news more as it happens now it's over to . patrick well , patrick- well , ladies patrick- well, ladies and ratrtet— well , ladies and gentlemen, tatrtet— well , ladies and gentlemen, we

well, ladies and gentlemen, we start— well, ladies and gentlemen, we start attra— well, ladies and gentlemen, we start vvttta ea— well, ladies and gentlemen, we start with our interview with aeratate— start with our interview with dominic raab. _ start with our interview with dominic raab. ti; cit dominic raab. he spoke to gb news just a few hours after he resigned following an inquiry into alleged bullying. the former deputy prime minister has sat down with gb news political reporter olivia utley. we can bnng reporter olivia utley. we can bring you this exclusive interview right now . thank you interview right now. thank you so much, interview right now. thank you ee raaea. na— interview right now. thank you so much, mr raab,— interview right now. thank you so much, mr raab, for- g thank you so much, mr raab, for coming to tatt— so much, mr raab, for coming to tatt te— so much, mr raab, for coming to tatt te ae— so much, mr raab, for coming to talk to us today. _ so much, mr raab, for coming to talk to us today. and of course, tte— talk to us today. and of course, tt-e teea— talk to us today. and of course, tt-e teea garte— talk to us today. and of course, it's been quite a— talk to us today. and of course, it's been quite a day for all of nest— it's been quite a day for all of us. most particularly you. can i first— us. most particularly you. can i ttret aet— us. most particularly you. can i ttret at new— us. most particularly you. can i first ask how do— us. most particularly you. can i first ask how do you define a tatty— first ask how do you define a tatty e — first ask how do you define a tatty e t— first ask how do you define a bully ? i don't— first ask how do you define a bully .7 i don't think- first ask how do you define a bully ? t:titt“ c c bully? i don't think it is for me to define it, but look, i'm very confident that i didn't behave in a bullying way. very confident that i didn't behave in a bullying way . most behave in a bullying way. most of these allegations were dismissed out of hand. and i think people watching this would be surprised that in scrutinising civil servants, in making sure that millions of pounds of taxpayers money is not squandered, being able to pull very senior civil servants, not junior members of staff up and say, look, i don't have the bafic say, look, i don't have the basic information to decide

this. that was one of the things on which i was found to have been bullying because it offended someone or because i said in relation to human rights reform, aim to get more foreign national offenders removed from this country to strengthen free speech.i this country to strengthen free speech. i said i thought the department were being obstructive. if these kind of things amount to bullying, then i think it puts a handbrake, a paralysing effect on ministers delivering for the british people. and that can't be right . do you think essentially that the allegations— do you think essentially that the allegations were purely eetttteat— the allegations were purely eetttteat er— the allegations were purely political, or do— the allegations were purely political, or do you think eeeete— political, or do you think people genuinely felt threatened by you— people genuinely felt threatened ty yea e — people genuinely felt threatened ty yea e tte— people genuinely felt threatened by you ? it's difficult- people genuinely felt threatened by you ? c t: i. by you? it's difficult to say, but the way my behaviour was characterised is interesting . characterised is interesting. i'm adam tolley kasai , very i'm adam tolley kasai, very experienced barrister who conducted this investigation, found i'd never lost my temper, never over four and a half years shouting or sore at anyone. but that. some people found my direct style of probing, of interrogating , of scrutiny, interrogating, of scrutiny, unsettling or discomforting or even offensive . and i think

even offensive. and i think there is a certain tyranny of subjective hurt feelings here, which if you actually apply that across the board, means that senior ministers are at risk as they try and drive forward the change that the british public expect. try and protect taxpayers money, try and deliver for the british people. can actually hold things back. i think if you look at that across the board and particularly if you compare it to other walks of life, stressful jobs , high life, stressful jobs, high powered businesses, but other walks life more generally, walks of life more generally, i think people pretty think people would be pretty surprised. the risk, of course, is that it leads government ministers politics happens to look feel to the public even look and feel to the public even more detached from reality. you talk about a tyranny of hurt feelings, but do you think it might go even further than that? do you think that perhaps civil eervaate— do you think that perhaps civil servants coordinated campaign servants coordinated a campaign to servants coordinated a campaign te—a— servants coordinated a campaign te—a eetttteat- to remove you, a political eaaeatga— to remove you, a political eaaeatga e — to remove you, a political campaign ? �*ftt�*titcc to remove you, a political campaign ? �*ftt�*ticc “tiivi to remove you, a political campaign ? �*ftt�*vicc ct“viivi campaign? well, there was certainly some coordination. one of was struck out of the complaints was struck out because they'd written it together and look, put it this way , these claims, some of them way, these claims, some of them were four and a half years old.

another one was two and a half years old. the vast majority were eight months old. they were all submitted on the same day , all submitted on the same day, which is a 15th of november. i think a few came in just a little bit later. that can't be coincidence mental, but i only know what i know. and i also know what i know. and i also know that i was warned by a very senior member of the government, a senior civil servant, that there are increasingly activist civil servants mobilised by the fda union who are looking to target ministers . but all i know target ministers. but all i know is that i think the bar has been so lowered now that the government we've got and i a huge fan and supporter of the prime minister, is going to struggle to drive forward the changes we need. there'll be a chilling effect , a changes we need. there'll be a chilling effect, a paralysing effect on ministers. i'm already my phone is lit up by ministers now, very concerned that they could be accused of these things for behaviour that in most walks of life would be regarded as important managerial scrutiny. and i think that must be wrong.

yeah the paralysing effect on ministers, i think that's really interesting. i mean some are getag— interesting. i mean some are getag ae— interesting. i mean some are getag ae tar— interesting. i mean some are getag ae tar ae— interesting. i mean some are going as far as to— interesting. i mean some are going as far as to say- “g i mean some are going as far as to say that, treat— going as far as to say that, that tt— going as far as to say that, that it feels— going as far as to say that, that it feels as— going as far as to say that, that it feels as though civil eervaate— that it feels as though civil servants are— that it feels as though civil servants are now in control of geveaeat— servants are now in control of government, ministers. do government, not ministers. do yea—aay- government, not ministers. do yea—aay tratai you think there's any truth to taate— you think there's any truth to taate-vve— you think there's any truth to that?-we need- you think there's any truth to that?-we need to- you think there's any truth to that? we need to be that? i think we need to be reatty— that? i think we need to be really-about- that? i think we need to be really about this. that? i think we need to be. really-about this. i've really careful about this. i've vertet— really careful about this. i've vertet ta— really careful about this. i've vertet ta a— really careful about this. i've worked in a whole— really careful about this. i've worked in a whole range of departments. i think i've held eight posts, vast eight ministerial posts, vast majority of civil servants, fabulous we can't what fabulous. we can't achieve what we without we want in government without officials . my experience , officials. and my experience, overwhelmingly notwithstanding the media caricature over the last six months, has to have a great relationship with civil servants . my private office, servants. my private office, they enjoy the buzz, the energy, they enjoy the buzz, the energy, the that i've tried to the drive that i've tried to bring, the challenge that i've tried to bring. but the tried to bring to bring. but the risk is that a small cabal can block important reform . batus if block important reform. batus if hurt feelings because paul work or inadequate work is pulled up or inadequate work is pulled up or because more questions are asked than they feel comfortable with . and that's the challenge. with. and that's the challenge. and if ministers back off driving change forward, we won't

be doing our job. which is, of be doing ourjob. which is, of course, not to serve the civil servants and the civil service is important as valuable as they are. but is to serve the british public. going back to that, that eraatt— public. going back to that, that eraatt catat— public. going back to that, that small cabal you— ti. going back to that, that small cabal you mentioned of aettvtete— small cabal you mentioned of aettvtete .— small cabal you mentioned of activists , civil— small cabal you mentioned of activists , civil servants who activists, civil servants who tetag— activists, civil servants who are being sort— activists, civil servants who are being sort of set up by taer— are being sort of set up by their unions— are being sort of set up by their unions working with their t— their unions working with their unions. i mean, can we say that tae— unions. i mean, can we say that tae teatea— unions. i mean, can we say that the british civil— unions. i mean, can we say that the british civil service is race.— the british civil service is 100% impartial? oh, look , i. 100% impartial? oh, look, i. teave— 100% impartial? oh, look, i. you've never heard- 100% impartial? oh, look, i. you've never heard me- 100% impartial? oh, look, i. you've never heard me say talk about the blob or the deep state or any of those, i think lazy tropes, but well, a cabal is just a small group. yeah, but actually, that's what i've been told by other civil servants. so i want to be clear. i'm a big fan of the british civil service. i trained as a foreign office lawyer for six years. i'm just telling you what i see, which if the bar the threshold for bullying is so lowered that hurt feelings irrespective of the objectively justifiable nature of my or any other ministers actions. if that's the case, where does it end? and i

think there'll be a lot of people now who'll be very nervous looking over their shoulder in meetings about what they say and particularly arnie at its best, the civil service operates very effectively . but operates very effectively. but where it underperforms , you where it underperforms, you often get this sort of cultural, passive aggressive just computer says no. if you try and push on that now, the risk is you'll get a bullying claim. and i think that will have a chilling effect. and the risk is that whether it's small boats, the getting the backlogs down in the courts or in the nhs, driving human rights reform, it doesn't really matter whether you're on the left or the right. the risk is actually can't is that actually we can't deliver the british people deliver what the british people elect deliver. and elect us to deliver. and an element elect us to deliver. and an eteraeat et— elect us to deliver. and an element of that— elect us to deliver. and an element of that is- i it; titi and an element of that is that there tteee— element of that is that there are these activist civil eervaate— are these activist civil servants who - are these activist civil servants who aren't completely traearttat— servants who aren't completely traearttat . — servants who aren't completely impartial. well,— servants who aren't completely impartial . �*ftt�*ticc servants who aren't completely impartial. �*ftt�*ticc 39? t“ impartial. well, look, again, i'm going to be very careful what say. i'm a big fan of the what i say. i'm a big fan of the civil service. i think as a whole, we're very well served. i you very grateful to all you know, very grateful to all the people that worked with me at foreign and with at the foreign office and with the the ministry of justice the moj, the ministry of justice and elsewhere. but there is

clearly some who have been mobilised by the fda. you can see that from the fda commentary right the way through out the fda bringing legal fda is bringing legal challenges. did after priti challenges. they did after priti patel's from or the patel's departure from or the report into priti patel. they bnng report into priti patel. they bring a judicial review. they try and expand the definition of bullying. and then you see claims being brought. i'm almost certain that will happen. now again , thank you. going back to again, thank you. going back to the investigation— again, thank you. going back to the investigation ,— again, thank you. going back to the investigation , do— 39? t“ going back to the investigation , do you feel the investigation, do you feel it the investigation, do you feel tt va— the investigation, do you feel it was conducted— the investigation, do you feel it was conducted fairly arnie? teet— it was conducted fairly arnie? teet .— it was conducted fairly arnie? teet . t— it was conducted fairly arnie? look , i certainly— it was conducted fairly arnie? look, i certainly wouldn't cast any aspersions on adam tolley, kc, a very experienced qc, but the reality is i was shorn of most of the safeguards that people in other walks of life would have. i mean, just take the delay in these claims being brought forward. if i was in an employment tribunal , a bullying employment tribunal, a bullying claim couldn't be brought after three months. none of these claims were brought within three months. there's a whole range of other things that happened four times. i went through the propriety and ethics team very

long process, and four times i was given a very clean bill of health. how can that happen if there are serious question marks around my behaviour ? so i think around my behaviour? so i think you see in what the prime minister wrote back to me today that there are shortcomings in the system and i think the shame of it for me is it's come too late to change those for my benefit. but what i worry about more is getting the right balance. we must have zero tolerance of bullying. we want people to be empowered and happy , inspired and motivated in any job, in any walk of life, but particularly in government . i particularly in government. i would say having done that. but you allow threshold to you can't allow the threshold to be lowered that hurt feelings be so lowered that hurt feelings or a bit of distress that is only felt by 1 or 2 people. well, can parallel buys you from driving forward changes as you mentioned that the threshold for bullying has been set too low. was that the prime minister's taatt— was that the prime minister's taatt er— was that the prime minister's taatt er vva— was that the prime minister's fault or was it— was that the prime minister's fault or was it adam tolley's taatt— fault or was it adam tolley's taatt vae— fault or was it adam tolley's fault who set— fault or was it adam tolley's fault who set that threshold too teve — fault who set that threshold too teve aett.— fault who set that threshold too teve nett. t— fault who set that threshold too low? well, i think— fault who set that threshold too low? “

and ultimately the prime minister is the arbiter of the ministerial code. but. mr tolley, very clearly in his report went beyond that. and made findings in relation to that. and i think it's questionable whether the terms of reference were stuck to. but the bottom line is , and i the bottom line is, and i believe in keeping my word and i said if there was any adverse finding in relation to me, i would resign as a matter of honour and integrity. and i believe in keeping my word. but certainly the incremental shifting of the goalposts are what as bullying, what really counts as bullying, i think is now a real problem . i think is now a real problem. and the lack of safeguards that most ordinary people in other walks life are high powered walks of life are high powered business, other parts of the operational public sector. i mean, those just don't apply. and that leaves ministers at risk. no one, of all your risk. no one, least of all your viewers, are going to feel huge sympathy for any one or other individual politician . what they individual politician. what they will be concerned about, i suspect, is our ability as a government to deliver on their behalf. that's the job. so just. okay. so we're about halfway through this interview now.

we're to pause there. we're going to pause it there. and i'm going to come back to it in just minute or so. i wanted in just a minute or so. i wanted to recap what's been said so far. for me, the big far. and for me, the big standout line there that standout line there was that dominic was potentially, dominic raab was potentially, potentially of the view that there may well be activist civil servants looking to target ministers. he said categorically that people who had their feelings hurt because of poor or inadequate work being pulled up and being raised with them. if you ask them too many questions, ministers going forward will find themselves on a bullying charge. that is a concerning precedent. as far as raab is concerned . he said that concerned. he said that essentially the rules were changed in order to get people either sacked or criticised or up in front of bullying charges. so they maybe change the rules on what it means to be a bully or what workplace conduct is. he called it the incremental shifting of goalposts. he said that the claims against him, one was initially brought forward and a half was four and a half

years old. one was two and a half years old. there are a few others, but they were all submitted on the same day, which he at least indicates he was saying at least indicates that element of this that there is an element of this that there is an element of this that was coordinated. i mean, obviously yes, his big obviously, yes, fine. his big takeaway though, takeaway from it, though, ultimately that he was ultimately that i think he was trying get across there was trying to get across there was that this could stop top ministers driving change forward. so doing what the pubuc forward. so doing what the public want. he was clear they're not to call things the blob or this big kind of woke blob or this big kind of woke blob of civil servants. but he did also come down very strong and that was strong stuff there that he said exclusively to us here with olivia utley about an active element civil servants active element of civil servants looking to target ministers. and we should all be worried about that. just quickly here now, he said this as well, that the risk is whether it's small boats, human rights reforms or anything else. the risk is that we can't deliver what the british people expect us to deliver because of the civil service's computer says no attitude. so i think

thatis says no attitude. so i think that is vitally important for people to hear. dominic raab is saying that as a former deputy prime minister should that not be setting off alarm bells to people? i think now olivia utley also asked dominic raab whether adam tolley kc went beyond his remit. so this is about whether or not dominic raab was really fairly treated . let's play it fairly treated. let's play it clarified that. would you say tteat— clarified that. would you say that ttara — clarified that. would you say that adam tolley— ticviti tit: would you say that adam tolley went beyond his amn— that adam tolley went beyond his man er— that adam tolley went beyond his man er te— that adam tolley went beyond his man er te tt— that adam tolley went beyond his remit, or is it the— that adam tolley went beyond his remit, or is it the prime ntateter— remit, or is it the prime minister who's- remit, or is it the prime minister who's overreach that i teet— minister who's overreach that i teet. tra— minister who's overreach that i teet. t-ra aet— minister who's overreach that i look, i'm not going to again , if look, i'm not going to again, if yave— look, i'm not going to again, if yave eattet— look, i'm not going to again, if you've called for— look, i'm not going to again, if you've called for an independent areeeee atrea— you've called for an independent process, which i— you've called for an independent process, which i did, and i've teea— process, which i did, and i've teea very— process, which i did, and i've been very clear— process, which i did, and i've been very clear ,— process, which i did, and i've been very clear , if there was been very clear, if there was a ttattag.— been very clear, if there was a ttattag. aa— been very clear, if there was a finding, an adverse finding agataet— finding, an adverse finding against-resign.- finding, an adverse finding against resign. against me, i resign. i'm not going— against me, i resign. i'm not going complain about the going to then complain about the referee. i'm just doing is referee. what i'm just doing is structurally i think it's structurally and i think it's acknowledged prime acknowledged by the prime minister pointing minister today, pointing out that is flawed and it that the system is flawed and it doesn't matter so much for me, not worried about that. i am worried the effectiveness worried about the effectiveness of striking the right of government striking the right balance between zero tolerance of real bullying, if i can put it like that, and allowing, frankly , spurious or elastic

frankly, spurious or elastic interpretations of that to stop governments serving the british people. elastic governments serving the british people . elastic interpretation , people. elastic interpretation, as yea — people. elastic interpretation, as yea say.— people. elastic interpretation, ae yea eay. tteat— elastic interpretation, as you say, that you're still eaeeerttve— as you say, that you're still eaeeerttve et— as you say, that you're still supportive of the prime matter.— supportive of the prime minister, that you're going to eaeeert— minister, that you're going to eaeeert atra — minister, that you're going to support him from the back teaetaee. — support him from the back benches. but— support him from the back benches. but isn't it a little bit benches. but isn't it a little ttt veat— benches. but isn't it a little ttt veat et— benches. but isn't it a little bit weak of him _ benches. but isn't it a little bit weak of him to have accepted this bit weak of him to have accepted ttte etaette— bit weak of him to have accepted this elastic interpretation of ateat— this elastic interpretation of vaat tattytag— this elastic interpretation of what bullying means and accept year— what bullying means and accept your resignation? _ what bullying means and accept your resignation? �*ftt�*ticc your resignation? well, look, i think the process and the system of dealing with these complaints was there when he arrived. there was there when he arrived. there was obviously no independent ethics adviser. and i think, you know , people would have been know, people would have been very surprised if the reform first reform, he did as he came into government was something along lines. it would have along those lines. it would have i think that would have sent the right and to right message. and he had to deal rules and the deal with the rules and the process were in place. and process that were in place. and i and i'd i understand that. and i'd always recognised that the fact that it's provided what i think is a very flawed outcome for me and a very dangerous precedent is , is one thing. what we do is, is one thing. what we do need to do though now is get it

right, because otherwise good people doing a good job serving the british people will be put at risk. and then the whole system of government comes up. and by the way, i've heard labour mps complaining about this well. so it this today as well. so it doesn't matter whether you're on the the right. actually the left or the right. actually it's dangerous. is it's very dangerous. this is about fundamental about fairly fundamental principles ministerial principles of ministerial responsibility and democratic accountability. from responsibility and democratic accountability . from what you accountability. from what you say,— accountability. from what you say yea— accountability. from what you say yea tea-t— accountability. from what you say, you don't talk— ii c cat from what you say, you don't talk about the tatet— say, you don't talk about the etet er— say, you don't talk about the blob or anything— say, you don't talk about the blob or anything like that, but aera— blob or anything like that, but trera ateat— blob or anything like that, but from what you're— blob or anything like that, but from what you're saying, it eeaate— from what you're saying, it eeaate a— from what you're saying, it sounds a little— from what you're saying, it sounds a little bit as though teta— sounds a little bit as though tetra yea— sounds a little bit as though teta yea aat— sounds a little bit as though both you and the prime minister aave—ta- both you and the prime minister teave—ta a- both you and the prime ministerl have—in a system have been caught up in a system watert— have been caught up in a system vateta te— have been caught up in a system which is outside— have been caught up in a system which is outside of— have been caught up in a system which is outside of government teatet— which is outside of government eeatret .— which is outside of government eeatret . eees— which is outside of government control . does that— which is outside of government control . does that does that control. does that does that trtag— control. does that does that trtag aay— control. does that does that bring any truth?— control. does that does that bring any truth? i don't think i'd bring any truth? i don't think t-t eat— bring any truth? i don't think t-t eat tt— bring any truth? i don't think t-t eat tt ttte— bring any truth? i don't think i'd put it like that. but what is certainly true is that you have got an overwhelming majority of excellent civil servants . as i've been foreign servants. as i've been foreign secretary, i've travelled around the world. most countries would die for public servants that we've got or a democracy in the way that we've got. but there has been a subtle shift over

time and you are seeing more as i put it, activists, civil servants . it's a small minority, servants. it's a small minority, but if a but if a small minority can knock out a cabinet member there, that has a very serious effect out in retrospect, do you consider any of your actions as misguided ? ed well, misguided. misguided? ed well, misguided. i'm sure . look, i'm human. i'm sure. look, i'm human. i make mistakes all the time. look, there was one element which we discussed, one claim where i said to a government lawyer, having had a long, really good, rigorous debate and we'd got a bit further in the way that i wanted to. and i said to him, look, there's no point in sulking about it now. no one claimed this was bullying and no complaint was made. think complaint was made. i think i look back on that and think, do you what? i could have you know what? i could have chosen my words better. equally i my time i spent a lot of my time encouraging, empowering, rewarding , great work encouraging, empowering, rewarding, great work in encouraging, empowering, rewarding , great work in the rewarding, great work in the civil service. i you know , out civil service. i you know, out of my own pocket, put on drinks and receptions and things like

that. they've been recognised in the honours system , partly at my the honours system, partly at my recommendation , i spent a lot of recommendation, i spent a lot of time engaging with officials, so i'm sure over a microscope. if you look back over four and a half years, i'd think i'd want to do that better. but i don't think on any occasion what i did amounted to bullying. there was one allegation which i think was upheld in the adam tolley report. there was a senior raeraetr— report. there was a senior member, a senior- “ there was a senior member, a senior official, who was removed from _ member, a senior official, who was removed from a team when you aegettattag— was removed from a team when you aegettattag ea— was removed from a team when you were negotiating on gibraltar. do were negotiating on gibraltar. t>e yea— were negotiating on gibraltar. t>e yea te— were negotiating on gibraltar. tee yea te yea— were negotiating on gibraltar. do you do you regret removing tara— do you do you regret removing atra trera — do you do you regret removing him from that— do you do you regret removing him from that team, changing the eereeaaete — him from that team, changing the personnel? ne.— him from that team, changing the personnel? no, it— him from that team, changing the personnel? \vtitt c cticg personnel? no, it was absolutely essential . the personnel? no, it was absolutely essential. the individual concerned had breached the negotiating mandate , had allowed negotiating mandate, had allowed discuss actions in relation to gibraltar to with the spanish to involve of allowing law enforcement officials from spain to act in the territory of gibraltar. that would have undermined our sovereignty position on the on gibraltar. as adam tolley said, i didn't

shout. i didn't swear. i didn't lose my temper, but i did need him to be replaced. he wasn't demoted . there was no other demoted. there was no other penalty . and actually , i think penalty. and actually, i think adam tolley just got that one wrong. and i think if people understood how close we came to a no deal outcome for gibraltar, which if that had happened, put at the border at risk the border spanish putting blocks on the border, putting up blocks on the border, which would have created real economic damage for the territory of gibraltar. i think if people understood that i as a result of the mistakes that were made and the clean up operation that we took to salvage that negotiate action, we i mean, you may remember the free trade agreement was struck on christmas eve of 2020. a week later , we got the deal with the later, we got the deal with the spanish on gibraltar. and i pay tribute to the new team that came in. so it's, you know, i couldn't have done it without great civil servants, but we were up to one in the morning on new year's eve because the new year's eve because of the mistakes and it mistakes that were made. and it was to turn was absolutely essential to turn that and salvage that that around and salvage that negotiation to replace the individual you

individual involved. thank you so if you individual involved. thank you ee tr yea-year— individual involved. thank you so if you .your time- “t: , tiivitc : thank you so if you your time again , so if you had your time again, is so if you had your time again, te taere— so if you had your time again, is there anything— so if you had your time again, is there anything that you would do is there anything that you would te ttttereatty— is there anything that you would do differently ? _ is there anything that you would do differently ? i— is there anything that you would do differently ? : do differently? i probably would have a taken more people that i could rely on into the room because at the end of the day, the stuff that has come back to haunt me is he said. she said complaints from a long time ago based on subjective hurt feelings. i have to be honest, if behaviour had been so bad if my behaviour had been so bad , i should been warned , i should have been warned about and if i'd known about it and if i'd have known there an ambush waiting for there was an ambush waiting for me, sure would have me, i'm not sure i would have come into government in come back into government in october year. the october of last year. that's the real truth, really. so there's no real truth, really. so there's ae there-e— real truth, really. so there's no there's no— real truth, really. so there's no there's no element- ivivtitc ”cell; so there's no there's no element of your eeataet— no there's no element of your conduct specifically that you veatt— conduct specifically that you veatt-aat- conduct specifically that you would - and say, - conduct specifically that you would-and say, i. conduct specifically that you would and say, i was would point to and say, i was vreag— would point to and say, i was vvreag taere. — would point to and say, i was vvreag taere. t— would point to and say, i was wrong there. i would do that ttttereatty. — wrong there. i would do that differently. _i- wrong there. i would do that differently. grit , ti wrong there. i would do that differently. gittti wrong there. i would do that- differently. _i gave you an differently. well, i gave you an example. sometimes, example. look, sometimes, you know, you things wrong . you know, you get things wrong. you know, you get things wrong. you know, compromise maybe know, you don't compromise maybe the way you have done or the way you should have done or you wrong phrasing . you use the wrong phrasing. look, you work in any high look, if you work in any high pressure job, whether it's broadcasting newsroom, a newspaper press conference, that

kind of scenario, or a high powered business, these things will happen. but none of it amounted to bullying. you say there, interestingly,— amounted to bullying. you say there, interestingly, that- “ig you say there, interestingly, that you veatt— there, interestingly, that you would probably— there, interestingly, that you would probably not have come taat— would probably not have come taet tate— would probably not have come back into government in october had back into government in october aat yea— back into government in october had you realised— back into government in october had you realised there was an arataeta— had you realised there was an ambush waiting— had you realised there was an ambush waiting for you. do you that— ambush waiting for you. do you tttat there-e— ambush waiting for you. do you think there's a— ambush waiting for you. do you think there's a danger that eeraeeteat— think there's a danger that competent politicians will just etaety— competent politicians will just etaety aet— competent politicians will just simply not want— competent politicians will just simply not want to serve in geveraraeat— simply not want to serve in government because they're atratt— government because they're atratt et— government because they're afraid of this— government because they're afraid of this cabal of civil eervaatee — afraid of this cabal of civil servants? you— afraid of this cabal of civil servants? /ritr. t“ afraid of this cabal of civil- servants? you know, when i knock on doors in esher and on doors here in esher and walton , even throughout all of walton, even throughout all of this episode, people don't understand why anyone would want to become a politician if, on top of all of the hard work, long hours, weekends lost and all the rest of it, the lousy reputation, politics as a whole have, if on the end of that, you you've got this risk of being subject to trial by media. and of course, in the case of me, it's legitimate reporting. i don't complain about that. but with with all of the risk of being subject to that kind of targeted approach, i think it's

obviously going to deter good, competent people from outside politics, from other walks of life coming into it, back on the tyranny of hurt feelings for a minute. do you think there's a geaeratteaat— do you think there's a generational element to this? are taere— generational element to this? are there sort— generational element to this? are there sort of— generational element to this? are there sort of millennia aatraate— are there sort of millennia animals who— are there sort of millennia animals who aren't used to the vertetaee— animals who aren't used to the vertetaee ae— animals who aren't used to the workplace as another generation veatt— workplace as another generation veatt trave— workplace as another generation would have it?— workplace as another generation would have it? is— workplace as another generation would have it? is there a bit of a generational— would have it? is there a bit of a generational divide going on never — a generational divide going on never t— a generational divide going on here? i wondered— a generational divide going on here? i: here? i wondered that. but the interesting thing is none of the complaints by junior members of staff were upheld. now, of course, that doesn't mean that some and of them some were made and some of them were people were ludicrous, people complaining never been complaining who had never been in meeting me things in a meeting with me and things like that. but actually the much bigger issue to in the civil service is that the senior management level, we've got amazing civil servants. they do amazing civil servants. they do a great job. i couldn't have achieved any things. i've been involved politics involved with in politics without . but i think without them. but i think there's a problem with responsibility at the director and level , and and director general level, and i that's a much , much i think that's a much, much bigger issue than the culture of the newer recruits coming up. the ranks actually , if anything, the ranks actually, if anything,

i found the younger officials to be the ones lit up by the challenge, the ambition, the energy that i've brought. and often they've stopped me and said that to me directly. so some of these activists,- so some of these activists, civil eervaate— some of these activists, civil servants that _ some of these activists, civil servants that you've been tatttag — servants that you've been talking about,— servants that you've been talking about, they're in the more senior-of- talking about, they're in the more senior of the more senior echelons of the etvtt— more senior echelons of the etvn-teaa - more senior echelons of the civil-yeah >- more senior echelons of the civil-yeah > i- more senior echelons of the. civil-yeah > i mean, civil service. yeah > i mean, tast— civil service. yeah > i mean, just one example, just to give you one example, and going to names, and i'm not going to name names, but give you a sense, but just to give you a sense, one person complained that it amounted to bullying because as as i tried to shine a light on good practise and pointed out, teams had done a good job, i didn't mention that particular person. now you know, i can understand why someone's nose might put out if i don't tell might be put out if i don't tell them they've done a great job, although i'm not sure in this case was merited. but for case it was merited. but for that bullying or that to amount to bullying or anything on the same level, i mean, serious. mean, that's just not serious. and that's a senior civil eervaat. — and that's a senior civil servant. you're- and that's a senior civil servant. you're talking very. ttaat— servant. you're talking very. thank-much.- servant. you're talking very.- thank-much.-just thank you very much. just just a eeaete— thank you very much. just just a couple-questions- thank you very much. just just a couple-questions .- couple more questions. essentially,— couple more questions. essentially, it- couple more questions. essentially, it seems to me that ettaer— essentially, it seems to me that either-allegations- essentially, it seems to me that either allegations were either the allegations were eetttteatty— either the allegations were politically motivated and or taere— politically motivated and or there are— politically motivated and or there are the— politically motivated and or there are the people making the attegatteae— there are the people making the

allegations were— there are the people making the allegations were essentially so eaevttatee.— allegations were essentially so snowflakes, you _ allegations were essentially so snowflakes, you need to toughen up a— snowflakes, you need to toughen are a ttt— snowflakes, you need to toughen are a ttt er— snowflakes, you need to toughen are a ttt er taat— snowflakes, you need to toughen up a bit or that you are a tatty— up a bit or that you are a bully. which— up a bit or that you are a bully. which is- up a bit or that you are a bully. which is it? up a bit or that you are a bully. which is it ? �*ftt�*riii c bully. which is it? well, it's definitely not the third. look, i don't use the language of snowflakes and all of that. toughen up , then. i think toughen up, then. i think resilience is important, but particularly at the senior level . but the bottom line is you've got to be able to have direct conversations with people. that's the way we have that challenge. i've always relished when very direct when people were very direct with don't want to sort of with me. i don't want to sort of wonder what they really mean wonder what did they really mean by and at the by that? and in fact, at the most senior all of my most senior level, all of my permanent secretaries have said most senior level, all of my perrthings. secretaries have said most senior level, all of my perrthings. one,taries have said most senior level, all of my perrthings. one, they'veave said most senior level, all of my perrthings. one, they've gotsaid most senior level, all of my perrthings. one, they've got tod two things. one, they've got to know looks like. know what good looks like. please explain it very clearly. and you've got to them and you've got to give them feedback directly. you look feedback directly. if you look at tully report at what the adam tully report suggests, it is almost as if now ministers cannot give feedback directly to civil servants, including senior civil servants. if that's the case, everything will slow down and we will not get the clarity, the direction, the drive , the energy, the the drive, the energy, the delivery that we need . and we delivery that we need. and we could get into a— titi : and we

could get into a situation quite soon where civil— could get into a situation quite soon where civil servants are teeeae— soon where civil servants are teeerae tae— soon where civil servants are become the tail— soon where civil servants are become the tail wagging the dog, etvtt— become the tail wagging the dog, etvtt eervaate— become the tail wagging the dog, civil servants running the gveraraeat — civil servants running the government. �*ftt�*riii civil servants running the- government. well, look, there's a cultural in any organisation , a cultural in any organisation, whether it's public or private sector, there'll be a culture and there's a cultural aversion to some of the things . clearly to some of the things. clearly the civil service not wild the civil service was not wild about in a way that about brexit, but in a way that doesn't that's thing. they doesn't. that's one thing. they didn't universally welcome human rights reform. i think lots of folk in government were not. all were reticent about that, and that's fine . and in a way, that's fine. and in a way, i want contrary opinions . when want contrary opinions. when i was a minister being played back to me, i want that challenge. but once you've decided and once the minister has set the course , given the decision set to steer, it must be right. if we've got an impartial and independent civil service. and that's really important that that's really important that that delivered that is then delivered faithfully. thank very much. faithfully. thank you very much. just faithfully. thank you very much. aaet-gaeettea- faithfully. thank you very much. aaet-gaeettea .- faithfully. thank you very much. just-question . did- faithfully. thank you very much. just-question . did you| just one final question. did you tarevv— just one final question. did you they tae— just one final question. did you throw the tomatoes ? \vritr r: r: throw the tomatoes? not only did i throw the tomatoes? not only did t aet— throw the tomatoes? not only did i not throw any tomatoes, that allegation was regarded as so specious it wasn't even put to

me. and what i can tell you is in the course of the investigation , one press officer investigation, one press officer from government was subject to disciplinary proceedings for spreading misinformation . i spreading misinformation. i should also say, and this is important given what we've been discussing, the people that reported that individual were themselves civil servants . themselves civil servants. thank you very much and thank you thank you very much and thank yea ee— thank you very much and thank yea ee aaet— thank you very much and thank you so much for— thank you very much and thank you so much for speaking to us tetay— you so much for speaking to us tetay .— you so much for speaking to us tetay . tte— you so much for speaking to us tetay . tt-e a— you so much for speaking to us today . it's a pleasure. today. it's a pleasure. thank yea.— today. it's a pleasure. thank yea. ttaat— today. it's a pleasure. thank you. thank you today. it's a pleasure. without speaking you. thank you. without speaking exetaetvety— you. thank you. without speaking exclusively with _ you. thank you. without speaking exclusively with gb— without speaking exclusively with gb news and ettvta— exclusively with gb news and ettvta nttey— exclusively with gb news and ettvta nttey .— exclusively with gb news and olivia utley . fantastic olivia utley. fantastic interview, _ olivia utley. fantastic interview, by- olivia utley. fantastic interview, by the way, olivia , interview, by the way, olivia, tteat— interview, by the way, olivia, ttat tra— interview, by the way, olivia, taat t-ra getag— interview, by the way, olivia, that i'm going to— interview, by the way, olivia, that i'm going to run through et— that i'm going to run through et tae— that i'm going to run through some of the highlights of that tatervtev— some of the highlights of that interview. okay.— some of the highlights of that interview. okay. i'm going to start— interview. okay. i'm going to start rtgtt— interview. okay. i'm going to start right from _ interview. okay. i'm going to start right from the top and rattte— start right from the top and rattle through— start right from the top and rattle through so he claims rattle through it. so he claims taat— rattle through it. so he claims taat-et— rattle through it. so he claims treat-er tae— rattle through it. so he claims that-of the claims- rattle through it. so he claims that of the claims that that some of the claims that were made against him were four and were made against him were four aat-yeare— were made against him were four aat-yeare ett. — were made against him were four and-years old. two- were made against him were four and years old. two and and a half years old. two and a tatt— and a half years old. two and a aatt yeave— and a half years old. two and a half years old. _ and a half years old. two and a half years old. and— and a half years old. two and a half years old. and yet miraculously, - half years old. and yet miraculously, they were all treagat— miraculously, they were alli treagat—ta miraculously, they were all- brought_in what brought on the same day in what one brought on the same day in what eae-tergtvea— brought on the same day in what one _forgiven for- one could be forgiven for tttattag— one could be forgiven for thinking might be some kind of eeerttaatet— thinking might be some kind of coordinated effort to bring him teaa— down. he did allude to activist eteraeate— down. he did allude to activist elements—service. elements of the civil service tet— elements of the civil service tet-mattag- elements of the civil service. led-making concerted led by unions making concerted etterte— led by unions making concerted etterte-teva— led by unions making concerted efforts down government led by unions making concerted efforts becausewn government led by unions making concerted efforts because they)vernment led by unions making concerted efforts because they disagreed ministers because they disagreed attra— ministers because they disagreed with government's— ministers because they disagreed with government's ideology. he

veat— with government's ideology. he veat ea— with government's ideology. he veat ea te— with government's ideology. he veat ea te say— with government's ideology. he went on to say that this could aave— went on to say that this could have eeaeae— went on to say that this could have serious implications for tte— have serious implications for the government— have serious implications for the government pressing ahead or tetag— the government pressing ahead or tetag-te— the government pressing ahead or tetag-te greet— the government pressing ahead or being to press ahead with being able to press ahead with tteat— being able to press ahead with ideas-stopping— being able to press ahead with ideas stopping the boats, ideas like stopping the boats, he ideas like stopping the boats, ne eart— ideas like stopping the boats, ne eatt taat— ideas like stopping the boats, he said that people who had hurt teettage— he said that people who had hurt feelings because— he said that people who had hurt feelings because they're poorer . taategaate— feelings because they're poorer , inadequate work— feelings because they're poorer , inadequate work was pulled up and , inadequate work was pulled up aat veere— , inadequate work was pulled up and were asked— , inadequate work was pulled up and were asked questions about taat— and were asked questions about that were— and were asked questions about that aev— and were asked questions about that were now essentially out to get it... — that were now essentially out to get n... t— that were now essentially out to get him. i should— that were now essentially out to get him. i should also point out taat— get him. i should also point out that nae— get him. i should also point out that ttae at— get him. i should also point out that line at the— get him. i should also point out that line at the end there was garte— that line at the end there was gatte geet.— that line at the end there was quite good, wasn't it? dominic taat— quite good, wasn't it? dominic taat tetttag— quite good, wasn't it? dominic raab telling news raab telling gb news exclusively, - raab telling gb news exclusively, definitely exclusively, he definitely did not exclusively, he definitely did aet-a— exclusively, he definitely did not-a tomato- exclusively, he definitely did not a tomato and that the not throw a tomato and that the tee— not throw a tomato and that the eee vvtae — not throw a tomato and that the person who made— not throw a tomato and that the person who made allegation person who made the allegation to person who made the allegation te—ttt— person who made the allegation te—ttt ttat- person who made the allegation to_did find its- person who made the allegation to_did find its way. to him, which did find its way tate— to him, which did find its way tate tae— to him, which did find its way into the national— to him, which did find its way into the national was into the national press, was eateegaeatty— into the national press, was subsequently disciplined for eereattag— subsequently disciplined for spreading false information, watert— spreading false information, watery-aet— spreading false information, which just played into his hands atrea— which just played into his hands vvtaea tt— which just played into his hands when it comes— which just played into his hands when it comes-his— which just played into his hands when it comes his claim that when it comes to his claim that he when it comes to his claim that tee-taat— when it comes to his claim that te-trtat ty— when it comes to his claim that he-trial by media- when it comes to his claim that he trial by media and that he had trial by media and that he had trial by media and that ae vva— he had trial by media and that ae aet— he had trial by media and that he was not subject to the same air he was not subject to the same at reterrate— he was not subject to the same air referrals as— he was not subject to the same air referrals as other people veatt.— air referrals as other people veatt. aat— air referrals as other people would, and that— air referrals as other people would, and that he wasn't warned ateat— would, and that he wasn't warned ateat thera— would, and that he wasn't warned about them. and— would, and that he wasn't warned about them. and he— would, and that he wasn't warned about them. and he does say as vett— about them. and he does say as vett aat— about them. and he does say as vett aat t— about them. and he does say as well and i thought— about them. and he does say as well and i thought this was taeetaattag— well and i thought this was fascinating. we— well and i thought this was fascinating. we talk a lot about eaevvttatee— fascinating. we talk a lot about snowflakes, don't— fascinating. we talk a lot about snowflakes, don't we? he said ttte.— snowflakes, don't we? he said the ne— snowflakes, don't we? he said tare. ne eart— snowflakes, don't we? he said this. he said he— snowflakes, don't we? he said this. he said he wouldn't call ayee— this. he said he wouldn't call anyone snowflakes. he didn't ttte— anyone snowflakes. he didn't ttte-.— anyone snowflakes. he didn't ttte. ne— anyone snowflakes. he didn't like-. he was— anyone snowflakes. he didn't like-. he was-andl like that. he was asked and greet— like that. he was asked and areeeet ty— like that. he was asked and pressed by utley about

pressed by olivia utley about vvaetaer— pressed by olivia utley about whether-not— pressed by olivia utley about whether-not he _ pressed by olivia utley about whether not he still felt as whether or not he still felt as taeagt— whether or not he still felt asi though _toughen whether or not he still felt as- though_toughen up. though people should toughen up. now:— though people should toughen up. gal-,— though people should toughen up. now,-, taat— though people should toughen up. now,-, raab said- though people should toughen up. now, , raab said that now, get this, raab said that one person claimed that he tatttet— one person claimed that he bullied them— one person claimed that he bullied them when he praised a group— bullied them when he praised a great et— bullied them when he praised a grow of pebble— bullied them when he praised a group of people for doing a good job, group of people for doing a good job aat— group of people for doing a good jobt aat ne— group of people for doing a good job, and he didn't— group of people for doing a good job, and he didn't name them eereeaatty— job, and he didn't name them eereeaatty .— job, and he didn't name them eereeaatty . se— job, and he didn't name them personally . so he said that he personally. so he said that he taaet— personally. so he said that he taeet a— personally. so he said that he faced a claim— personally. so he said that he faced a claim of— personally. so he said that he faced a claim of bullying teeaaee— faced a claim of bullying because one— faced a claim of bullying because one person wasn't named eereeaatty— because one person wasn't named eereeaatty ae— because one person wasn't named eereeaatty ae ae— because one person wasn't named personally as he was essentially going— personally as he was essentially getag aeaat— personally as he was essentially going around the— personally as he was essentially going around the room saying who had going around the room saying who aat teae— going around the room saying who aat teae a— going around the room saying who aat teae a geet— going around the room saying who had done a good job and that , i had done a good job and that, i taat— had done a good job and that, i ant, te— had done a good job and that, i think, is where— had done a good job and that, i think, is where we're at. there-e— think, is where we're at. there's rather- think, is where we're at. there's rather a lot that raab atte— there's rather a lot that raab atee attet— there's rather a lot that raab also added to— there's rather a lot that raab also added to here. he did say taat— also added to here. he did say that tree— also added to here. he did say that there was— also added to here. he did say that there was he— also added to here. he did say that there was he he said she tatt.— that there was he he said she eatt. taey— that there was he he said she eatt. taey ter— that there was he he said she said, easy for me— that there was he he said she said, easy for me to say. seb eerta— said, easy for me to say. seb gorka negative— said, easy for me to say. seb gorka negative claims here made teag— gorka negative claims here made teag attev— gorka negative claims here made teag atter tae— gorka negative claims here made long after the event and that one person who— long after the event and that one person who had particular tttteraeee— one person who had particular bitterness towards him was an tattvttaat— bitterness towards him was an individual who— bitterness towards him was an individual who was helping to aegettate— individual who was helping to negotiate our— individual who was helping to negotiate our gibraltar slash treat— negotiate our gibraltar slash treat eat— negotiate our gibraltar slash brexit exit deal.— negotiate our gibraltar slash brexit exit deal. and that eeraea— brexit exit deal. and that person, according to dominic taat— person, according to dominic raab, jeopardised the entire the ettrattar— raab, jeopardised the entire the gibraltar brexit— raab, jeopardised the entire the gibraltar brexit process and aeatt— gibraltar brexit process and eeatt aave—

gibraltar brexit process and could have led— gibraltar brexit process and could have led to a catastrophic ettaattea— could have led to a catastrophic situation taking— could have led to a catastrophic situation taking place. there he aaye— situation taking place. there he says taat— situation taking place. there he eaye taat taey— situation taking place. there he says that they went way beyond taetr— says that they went way beyond tnetr trtet— says that they went way beyond their brief and— says that they went way beyond their brief and made huge ratetatee— their brief and made huge mistakes and— their brief and made huge mistakes and dominic raab says tteat— mistakes and dominic raab says that vvtttaeat— mistakes and dominic raab says that without any— mistakes and dominic raab says that without any shouting or eereatag— that without any shouting or screaming whatsoever, that eee— screaming whatsoever, that eeat— screaming whatsoever, that person wasn't even demoted . but person wasn't even demoted. but taey— person wasn't even demoted. but taey veere— person wasn't even demoted. but they were moved _ person wasn't even demoted. but they were moved on from the team and they were moved on from the team aat eaeeeeetty— they were moved on from the team and supposedly that— they were moved on from the team and supposedly that in some way eeaetttatee— and supposedly that in some way constitutes bullying. joining me te— constitutes bullying. joining me te tte— constitutes bullying. joining me now is the former— constitutes bullying. joining me now is the former head of press at narater— now is the former head of press at narater to.— now is the former head of press at number 10. it's— now is the former head of press at number 10. it's giles cunningham.- at number 10. it's giles cunningham. obe giles, thank you very— cunningham. obe giles, thank you very aaet.— cunningham. obe giles, thank you very raaea. t— cunningham. obe giles, thank you very raaea. t aeae— cunningham. obe giles, thank you very much. i hope you managed to tear— very much. i hope you managed to near a— very much. i hope you managed to near a tarr— very much. i hope you managed to near a tatr ttt— very much. i hope you managed to hear a fair bit of— very much. i hope you managed to hear a fair bit of that whilst you— hear a fair bit of that whilst yea were— hear a fair bit of that whilst you were sitting— hear a fair bit of that whilst you were sitting on the line taere— you were sitting on the line there..looks_ you were sitting on the line there..looks-did,| there. it looks like you did, vee. — there. it looks like you did, vee. tetay.— there. it looks like you did, yes. okay. what— there. it looks like you did, yes. okay. what do you make of it . yes. okay. what do you make of tt . — yes. okay. what do you make of tt . vea— yes. okay. what do you make of tt . tea taea— yes. okay. what do you make of it . you know, i— yes. okay. what do you make of it . you know, i think- yes. okay. what do you make of it . you know, i think i- yes. okay. what do you make of it. you know, i think i thought rob came across pretty well in that interview. i think he gave a pretty— that interview. i think he gave a pretty considered— i think he gave a pretty considered defence of his a pretty considered defence of are eeetttea. — a pretty considered defence of his position. what happened aetaatty— his position. what happened actually raised— his position. what happened actually raised some pretty eatteat— actually raised some pretty salient points— actually raised some pretty salient points there. um you taevv— salient points there. um you taevv. t— salient points there. um you know, i think— salient points there. um you know, i think which really etraet— know, i think which really etraet aae— know, i think which really struck me from having read that repert— struck me from having read that reeert vva— struck me from having read that reeert nev— struck me from having read that report was how it— struck me from having read that report was how it was pulled up in report was how it was pulled up ta tae— report was how it was pulled up ta tae repert— report was how it was pulled up in the report that—

report was how it was pulled up in the report that civil eervaate— in the report that civil servants who - in the report that civil servants who don't perform that matters— servants who don't perform that ministers shouldn't hold them to aat taey— ministers shouldn't hold them to account, they should be held to aat— account, they should be held to aat ty— account, they should be held to account by permanent secretaries. - account by permanent secretaries. now to be quite taat— secretaries. now to be quite blunt, ministers— secretaries. now to be quite blunt, ministers have got a teraeeratte— blunt, ministers have got a democratic mandate. unlike civil eervaate.— democratic mandate. unlike civil servants, ministers— democratic mandate. unlike civil servants, ministers should be tree— servants, ministers should be tree te— servants, ministers should be tree te nett— servants, ministers should be free to hold civil— servants, ministers should be free to hold civil servants to aat— free to hold civil servants to aat ta— free to hold civil servants to account in any— free to hold civil servants to account in any way possible. and i account in any way possible. and t tatat— account in any way possible. and t that yea— account in any way possible. and ttatat yea te— account in any way possible. and i think you do. i— account in any way possible. and i think you do. i think it is tarr— i think you do. i think it is tatr te— i think you do. i think it is fair to raise— i think you do. i think it is fair to raise huge red flags aeaat— fair to raise huge red flags around this— fair to raise huge red flags around this report . uh, the fact around this report. uh, the fact treat.— around this report. uh, the fact that. yea— around this report. uh, the fact rig, yea taea— around this report. uh, the fact that, you know, if— around this report. uh, the fact that, you know, if there were aat— that, you know, if there were issues and they— that, you know, if there were issues and they may well have teea.— issues and they may well have been way— issues and they may well have teea. way were— issues and they may well have been, why were all brought been, why were they all brought at-ta— been, why were they all brought at-ta a— been, why were they all brought at-in a coordinated- been, why were they all brought at in a coordinated way? at once in a coordinated way? why— at once in a coordinated way? wry-taere— at once in a coordinated way? why .there ltime- at once in a coordinated way? why there time lag in them why was there a time lag in them tetag— why was there a time lag in them teag-ae— why was there a time lag in them tetag-ae-vea- why was there a time lag in them being-as-you know,| being brought as well? you know, and being brought as well? you know, aat-te— being brought as well? you know, aat-te say— being brought as well? you know, aat-te eay taat- being brought as well? you know, and to say that, you and i have to say that, you taevv— and i have to say that, you taevv. taere— and i have to say that, you know, there is— and i have to say that, you know, there is a- and i have to say that, you know, there is a real danger is navtag— know, there is a real danger is aavtag a— know, there is a real danger is having a chilling— know, there is a real danger is having a chilling effect on the etvtt— having a chilling effect on the etvn-aat— having a chilling effect on the etvtt-aat ea— having a chilling effect on the civil and on ministers civil service and on ministers aat— civil service and on ministers aat-ttey— civil service and on ministers aat-ttey-veal civil service and on ministers. and-they-you know, and how they behave. you know, it and how they behave. you know, ttleae— and how they behave. you know, ttleae et— and how they behave. you know, ttleae et tte— and how they behave. you know, itlone of the sort— and how they behave. you know, itlone of the sort of- and how they behave. you know, it one of the sort of obe it is one of the sort of obe taate— it is one of the sort of obe arate eeat— it is one of the sort of obe arnie sort of,— it is one of the sort of obe arnie sort of, i— it is one of the sort of obe arnie sort of, i suppose, organisations,- arnie sort of, i suppose, organisations, organisations tett— organisations, organisations teat-veatt— organisations, organisations left world where it's left in the world where it's very— left in the world where it's very-te — left in the world where it's very-te aaet- left in the world where it's. very-to sack someone very difficult to sack someone at— very difficult to sack someone aat-eaa-t— very difficult to sack someone aat-eaa-t te— very difficult to sack someone and-can't be a- very difficult to sack someone and can't be a good that and that can't be a good that taat— and that can't be a good that that va— and that can't be a good that that was epitomised by what aeratate— that was epitomised by what dominic raab— that was epitomised by what dominic raab had to say to ettvta— dominic raab had to say to ettvta nttey— dominic raab had to say to olivia utley there when he said taat— olivia utley there when he said that taere— olivia utley there when he said that there was— olivia utley there when he said that there was an— olivia utley there when he said that there was an individual who raaeetvety— that there was an individual who massively breached the terms of the massively breached the terms of ttte—attra— the negotiations with the seaatea — the negotiations with the. seaaten—aat the negotiations with the-

spanish_and what spanish over gibraltar and what taat— spanish over gibraltar and what that eeraea— spanish over gibraltar and what that person, according to aeratate— that person, according to dominic raab,- that person, according to dominic raab, nearly did, was attev— dominic raab, nearly did, was allow spanish— dominic raab, nearly did, was allow spanish police boots onto allow spaniin police boots onto the allow spanish police boots onto tae greaat— allow spanish police boots onto tae greaat ta— allow spanish police boots onto the ground in gibraltar, a huge tataageraeat— the ground in gibraltar, a huge infringement of— the ground in gibraltar, a huge infringement of british eeveretgaty— infringement of british sovereignty , and that set them sovereignty, and that set them taat— sovereignty, and that set them taet ta— sovereignty, and that set them taet ta tte— sovereignty, and that set them back in the negotiations big ttrae. — back in the negotiations big ttrae. that— back in the negotiations big time. that person- back in the negotiations big time. t“ c t“ time. that person wasn't even demoted. they were moved out of a team with no shouting and screaming . and that apparently screaming. and that apparently constitutes inappropriate behaviour. giles has the world gone mad ? yeah. i mean, i have gone mad? yeah. i mean, i have to gone mad? yeah. i mean, i have te say.— gone mad? yeah. i mean, i have te eay. ttte.— gone mad? yeah. i mean, i have te eay. ttte. ae— gone mad? yeah. i mean, i have to say, like, as dominic- 2g “vitri7 yeah. i mean, i have to say, like, as dominic said, taere— to say, like, as dominic said, there are— to say, like, as dominic said, there are some— to say, like, as dominic said, there are some fantastic civil eervaate— there are some fantastic civil servants having— there are some fantastic civil servants having worked with tea — servants having worked with tea tea— servants having worked with them. you know, i remember ettaatteae— them. you know, i remember situations where— them. you know, i remember situations where we were told tteat— situations where we were told that tae — situations where we were told that tae eaty— situations where we were told that the only way— situations where we were told that the only way to get rid of a eeerty— that the only way to get rid of a poorly performing civil eervaat— a poorly performing civil servant effectively promote servant was effectively promote et— servant was effectively promote et taer— servant was effectively promote one of their job— servant was effectively promote one of their job elle edwards, one of theirjob elle edwards, vvaeta— one of theirjob elle edwards, vateta garte— one of theirjob elle edwards, which quite frankly is absolutely— which quite frankly is absolutely ridiculous. and in wreat— absolutely ridiculous. and in vaat etaer— absolutely ridiculous. and in what other walk— absolutely ridiculous. and in what other walk of life would taat— what other walk of life would taat happen?— what other walk of life would that happen? so— what other walk of life would that happen? so i think we need to that happen? so i think we need te te— that happen? so i think we need te be very— that happen? so i think we need to be very careful.— that happen? so i think we need to be very careful. you know, as eart— to be very careful. you know, as eatt taere— to be very careful. you know, as we've said here, you know, araeaget— we've said here, you know, amongst this— we've said here, you know, amongst this report, we found out amongst this report, we found eat ateat— amongst this report, we found out what about— amongst this report, we found out what about the civil eervaate— out what about the civil servants who've been misbehaving? what the misbehaving? what about the etvtt— misbehaving? what about the civil servants— misbehaving? what about the civil servants who've been tatttag— civil servants who've been - tatttag—eveet putting fake news in the press ateat— putting fake news in the press about dominic— putting fake news in the press about dominic know, about dominic raab? you know, taat— about dominic raab? you know, that atte— about dominic raab? you know, that also needs— about dominic raab? you know, that also needs to— about dominic raab? you know, that also needs to be brought to ttgat—

that also needs to be brought to ttgat. vea— that also needs to be brought to light. you know,— that also needs to be brought to light. you know, it's not, um, you— light. you know, it's not, um, yea taea— light. you know, it's not, um, yea taevv. tte— light. you know, it's not, um, you know, it's not— light. you know, it's not, um, you know, it's not an it's not att— you know, it's not an it's not at eae— you know, it's not an it's not at way— you know, it's not an it's not all one way traffic . c. all one way traffic. but giles attes— all one way traffic. but giles giles i've got, i've got to say, you know, rishi sunak will know all of this. rishi sunak will have of dominic have known all of this. dominic raab come down and sat down raab has come down and sat down and done an interview which from my had rishi sunak my opinion, had rishi sunak said, am standing by dominic said, i am standing by dominic raab. this man is not going anywhere. then dominic raab anywhere. and then dominic raab would and just deliver would come out and just deliver that that exact interview. so would come out and just deliver that sorry, exact interview. so would come out and just deliver that sorry, i.act interview. so would come out and just deliver thatsorry, i don'tterview. so would come out and just deliver thatsorry, i don't thinkiv. so would come out and just deliver thatsorry, i don't think this» would come out and just deliver thatsorry, i don't think this is i'm sorry, i don't think this is a massive story in tomorrow's front pages that, you know, raab stays . i front pages that, you know, raab stays. i mean, front pages that, you know, raab stays . i mean, it will be front pages that, you know, raab stays. i mean, it will be on front pages that, you know, raab stays . i mean, it will be on the stays. i mean, it will be on the front page, but it wouldn't be this huge controversy. i think most would listen to that most people would listen to that and yeah, that was and think, yeah, that was the right why rishi right call. why didn't rishi sunak bottle to do sunak have the bottle to do that? he caved in here? that? has he caved in here? yeah, i suppose there are a eeaete— yeah, i suppose there are a couple-things- yeah, i suppose there are a couple things here, couple of things here, i agree — couple of things here, i suppose. raab, couple of things here, i- suppose. raab,-conceded suppose. raab, as he conceded atraeett— suppose. raab, as he conceded atraeett aat— suppose. raab, as he conceded himself and he— suppose. raab, as he conceded himself and he said if there were - adverse - himself and he said if there were adverse findings of were any adverse findings of ttte— were any adverse findings of ttte-tate— this report or this investigation , then would investigation, then he would tatt—aat- investigation, then he would tatt—aat gel investigation, then he would. fall—and go, which fall on his sword and go, which taere— fall on his sword and go, which there-nat— fall on his sword and go, which there and suppose, you there were. and i suppose, you taevv—raate- there were. and i suppose, you gag—mate a- there were. and i suppose, you know,_made a big| know, look, sunak made a big tatag— know, look, sunak made a big tatag-yea— know, look, sunak made a big tnag-yea taea- know, look, sunak made a big thing-you know ,- know, look, sunak made a big thing you know , sort of, thing about, you know, sort of, you— thing about, you know, sort of, yea-tetag— thing about, you know, sort of, yea-tetag a— thing about, you know, sort of, you being a government of

you know, being a government of tategrtty.— you know, being a government of integrity, accountability , integrity, accountability, netty.— integrity, accountability, netty. ttga— integrity, accountability, motty, high levels of transparency . see, clearly there transparency. see, clearly there garte— transparency. see, clearly there earte et— transparency. see, clearly there were parts of this— transparency. see, clearly there were parts of this report which veeat— were parts of this report which weren't wholly— were parts of this report which weren't wholly positive, which were troubling— weren't wholly positive, which were troubling for him and felt ttte— were troubling for him and felt ttte aretatty— were troubling for him and felt ttte eretatty .— were troubling for him and felt like probably , you know, on the like probably, you know, on the tataaee— like probably, you know, on the tataaee et— like probably, you know, on the balance of probabilities that taat— balance of probabilities that that ae— balance of probabilities that that he should— balance of probabilities that that he should go. but i agree attra— that he should go. but i agree vvttta yea.— that he should go. but i agree vvttta yea. t— that he should go. but i agree with you. i actually think, you taea— with you. i actually think, you taevv. aavtag— with you. i actually think, you know, having looked at it, aavtag— know, having looked at it, having looked— know, having looked at it, having looked at the evidence in its having looked at the evidence in tte eattrety.— having looked at the evidence in its entirety, having— having looked at the evidence in its entirety, having looked at taat— its entirety, having looked at taat-a— its entirety, having looked at taat-a-aat- its entirety, having looked at raab, a and frank raab, give a full and frank aat— raab, give a full and frank account behaviour that account of his behaviour that eeteattatty— account of his behaviour that potentially could potentially he could have earvtvet. — potentially he could havei survived. _the survived. and actually the tattta— survived. and actually the public probably survived. and actually the i public-probably on survived. and actually the - public-probably on the public sentiment probably on the tataaee— public sentiment probably on the balance-would— public sentiment probably on the balance would have said, balance of it would have said, yeah.— balance of it would have said, yeah-yea— balance of it would have said, yean-yea taea- balance of it would have said, yeah, you know, okay , yeah, look, you know, okay, yae— yeah, look, you know, okay, ye aet— yeah, look, you know, okay, you're not perfect. you by your own standards,— you're not perfect. you by your own standards, see that own standards, you can see that you— own standards, you can see that yea-eeraeat— own standards, you can see that yea-eeraeat ta- own standards, you can see that you-perfect in this- you weren't perfect in this ettaattea.— you weren't perfect in this situation, people aren't situation, but people aren't eeraeat—natl situation, but people aren't- perfect_and that perfect in life anyway. and that aretatty— perfect in life anyway. and that eretatty ne— perfect in life anyway. and that probably he could have stayed at— probably he could have stayed aat rtttea— probably he could have stayed and ridden this— probably he could have stayed and ridden this one out. yeah ateetatety. — and ridden this one out. yeah absolutely. and— and ridden this one out. yeah absolutely. ' “r: absolutely. and let's be honest with people are not with you, most people are not deaung with you, most people are not dealing the kind thing dealing with the kind of thing on a basis. and i'm not on a daily basis. and i'm not trying say that anything trying to say that anything goes. know, there are goes. but, you know, there are there certain that are there are certain jobs that are much more stressful than others. and it is reasonable to and i think it is reasonable to expect people to maybe behave slightly differently at very high pressure, high stakes times

in their careers than they would if they if they were doing other jobs. just quickly, sorry, while i've got you, giles, if that's all right. i want to get you on this because he's mentioned there very cleverly worded. but reading between lines, i reading between the lines, i think know what he meant think we all know what he meant about activist civil about this and activist civil servants are under the control of unions who are looking to bnng of unions who are looking to bring down ministers. is our civil service infiltrated by activists . i i don't think activists. i i don't think i could generalise across the board here, but i would say in this instance one does have to raise questions about how they seemingly was a coordinated effort with a number of these being complaints raised on the same day, which is no coincidence , and the huge time coincidence, and the huge time lag within which these complaints were brought. and i would also say that fundamentally the civil service as fundamentally the civil service ae aa eaty— fundamentally the civil service as an entity, while there are some brilliant— as an entity, while there are some brilliant people, needs to be overhauled— some brilliant people, needs to be overhauled and there needs to be overhauled and there needs to be greater— be overhauled and there needs to be greater degrees— be overhauled and there needs to be greater degrees of accountability. and if people

param— accountability. and if people perform, perform poorly , they perform, perform poorly, they eaeatt— perform, perform poorly, they eteatt te— perform, perform poorly, they should be fired.— perform, perform poorly, they should be fired. that's what aaeeeae— should be fired. that's what aaeeeae ta— should be fired. that's what happens in the— should be fired. that's what happens in the private sector. seeratagty— happens in the private sector. seemingly that— happens in the private sector. seemingly that doesn't happen in the seemingly that doesn't happen in tae etvtt— seemingly that doesn't happen in the civil sector. _ seemingly that doesn't happen in the civil sector. so,— seemingly that doesn't happen in the civil sector. so, you know, in the civil sector. so, you know, ta tte— the civil sector. so, you know, ta tae etvtt— the civil sector. so, you know, in the civil service— the civil sector. so, you know, in the civil service now people teet— in the civil service now people teet ttte— in the civil service now people teet ttte taey— in the civil service now people feel like they are— in the civil service now people feel like they are bullet—proof greet— feel like they are bullet—proof greet ta— feel like they are bullet—proof proof in these— feel like they are bullet—proof proof in these situations you getag— proof in these situations you getag te— proof in these situations you getag te get— proof in these situations you are going to get poor performance . and one thing that performance. and one thing that i performance. and one thing that t aetet— performance. and one thing that t aetet vaea— performance. and one thing that t aetet vaea t— performance. and one thing that i noted when i was— performance. and one thing that i noted when i was in the civil eervtee— i noted when i was in the civil eervtee va— i noted when i was in the civil eervtee ve— i noted when i was in the civil service was we came in after a tatear— service was we came in after a labour government where tony ttatr— labour government where tony ttatr veatt— labour government where tony blair would be _ labour government where tony blair would be doing a reshuffle every— blair would be doing a reshuffle every-aeatta— blair would be doing a reshuffle every months, you'd get every eight months, so you'd get a—ttaeagtat- a civil service. you thought, vett— a civil service. you thought, aett—te- a civil service. you thought, aett—re aetl a civil service. you thought,- well_is not going well that minister is not going to well that minister is not going te-areaat— well that minister is not going te-areaat ter— well that minister is not going to-around for very- well that minister is not going to around for very long, to stay around for very long, tneretere.— to stay around for very long, therefore, well— to stay around for very long, therefore, well who cares? we'll do therefore, well who cares? we'll te-vvaat. — therefore, well who cares? we'll. te-vaat.—aater do what we want. you know, under teavtt— do what we want. you know, under teavtt caraerea— do what we want. you know, under david cameron,.tried- do what we want. you know, under david cameron, tried to bring david cameron, he tried to bring a tevet— david cameron, he tried to bring a tevet et— david cameron, he tried to bring a level of continuity. and in taeee— a level of continuity. and in those departments where you left eeereaaeet— those departments where you left secretaries - state _ secretaries of for state a eaetataet — secretaries of for state a sustained period time, they sustained period of time, theyi veve—tat were much more effective. and the were much more effective. and tae etvtt— were much more effective. and the civil service— were much more effective. and the civil service had to get taer— the civil service had to get tnetr aet— the civil service had to get their act together. so i do taat— their act together. so i do think there _ their act together. so i do think there something in the think there is something in the system — think there is something in the system -aeete— think there is something in the system - needs to - think there is something in the system needs to be system which needs to be fundamentally— system which needs to be fundamentally and now, fundamentally reformed. and now, very-attes— fundamentally reformed. and now, very-trtet .— fundamentally reformed. and now, very-trtet . terry— fundamentally reformed. and now, very giles , sorry about very briefly, giles, sorry about this. just more very this. just one more very briefly, dominic raab's briefly, which is dominic raab's key point was, if these key point there was, if these are the rules now , how it's are the rules now, how it's going to be impossible for government ministers to do their

job if the civil service is looking at the fact that they've managed to oust the deputy prime minister based on two pretty spunous minister based on two pretty spurious claims being upheld about about, as he said , he said about about, as he said, he said she said subjective views. he said he was ambushed about this. then how on earth can any member of rishi sunak's cabinet do their job? of rishi sunak's cabinet do theirjob? erg of rishi sunak's cabinet do their job? erg you of rishi sunak's cabinet do theirjob? erg you know, i think it's going to be difficult. you're going to have lots of matters— you're going to have lots of ministers looking over their eteattere— ministers looking over their shoulders. you're probably going to shoulders. you're probably going te aave— shoulders. you're probably going te aave eeeete— shoulders. you're probably going to have people being more risk averse,-not which- to have people being more risk averse, not which is averse, which is not which is aet— averse, which is not which is aet a— averse, which is not which is aet a geet— averse, which is not which is not a good thing— averse, which is not which is not a good thing at a time when you— not a good thing at a time when yea te— not a good thing at a time when yea te aeet— not a good thing at a time when you do need bold— not a good thing at a time when you do need bold and radical tntattag— you do need bold and radical thinking-yeah— you do need bold and radical thinking-yeah ,- you do need bold and radical thinking. yeah , there thinking. so yeah, there is a reat— thinking. so yeah, there is a reat taager. — thinking. so yeah, there is a real danger. this a chilling real danger. this has a chilling etteet— real danger. this has a chilling etteet-t— real danger. this has a chilling etteet-t aeae— real danger. this has a chilling effect-i hope that- real danger. this has a chilling effect i hope that sunak effect and i hope that sunak eeeate— effect and i hope that sunak eeeate te— effect and i hope that sunak speaks to and _ effect and i hope that sunak speaks to and empowers his eattaet— speaks to and empowers his eattaet .— speaks to and empowers his eattaet . say.— speaks to and empowers his cabinet . say, look, you should cabinet. say, look, you should etttt— cabinet. say, look, you should ettttltett— cabinet. say, look, you should still-bold and— cabinet. say, look, you should still bold and what you do still be bold and what you do aat— still be bold and what you do aat yea— still be bold and what you do aat yea nave— still be bold and what you do and you have my— still be bold and what you do and you have my backing. thank you and you have my backing. thank yea very.— and you have my backing. thank yea very. very— and you have my backing. thank you very, very much. giles, great to have you on the show. great your live reaction great to get your live reaction to was our exclusive to what was our exclusive interview there. giles cunningham, former cunningham, obe, who's former head of press at number 10. what

do you make of that massive interview that with dominic raab? well olivia utley raab? well done to olivia utley you online after this you can go online after this show see version of show and see a full version of that interview with dominic raab, exclusively raab, speaking exclusively to gb news, through news, where he went through a whole ream of stuff. it was enlightening and fascinating. whole ream of stuff. it was enlius:ening and fascinating. whole ream of stuff. it was enlius on ng and fascinating. whole ream of stuff. it was enli us on twitter fascinating. whole ream of stuff. it was enli us on twitter ,ascinating. whole ream of stuff. it was enli us on twitter , on nating. whole ream of stuff. it was enli us on twitter , on youtube, get us on twitter, on youtube, however you want to digest it. it'll on the website as well. it'll be on the website as well. make that in make sure you watch that in full. i'm joined now our full. but i'm joined now by our political reporter catherine forster. catherine thank you very much. that was a very very much. wow that was a very enlightening i enlightening interview, i thought by dominic raab, was it not? yes, it was , wasn't it? not? yes, it was, wasn't it? now:— not? yes, it was, wasn't it? new. neat — not? yes, it was, wasn't it? now, rishi sunak- “ritr7 yes, it was, wasn't it? now, rishi sunak and number 10 will now, rishi sunak and number 10 vttt te— now, rishi sunak and number 10 vttt te aeetag— now, rishi sunak and number 10 will be hoping that the story is going— will be hoping that the story is getag te— will be hoping that the story is getag te eve— will be hoping that the story is going to move on— will be hoping that the story is going to move on from this quite gatetty— going to move on from this quite gatetty .— going to move on from this quite gatetty . nett— going to move on from this quite quickly. rishi sunak has aeeetatet— quickly. rishi sunak has appointed oliver dowden as teeaty— appointed oliver dowden as teeaty eaae— appointed oliver dowden as deputy prime minister he's aeeetatet— deputy prime minister he's appointed alex— deputy prime minister he's appointed alex choke as justice eeeretary. — appointed alex choke as justice eeeretary. ne— appointed alex choke as justice secretary. he would dearly like navtag— secretary. he would dearly like aavtag teet— secretary. he would dearly like having lost his— secretary. he would dearly like having lost his key ally and it vvttt— having lost his key ally and it vttt nave— having lost his key ally and it will have been— having lost his key ally and it will have been very difficult for will have been very difficult ter neat — will have been very difficult for rishi sunak— will have been very difficult for rishi sunak this to move on to for rishi sunak this to move on te get— for rishi sunak this to move on te get taat— for rishi sunak this to move on te get taet te— for rishi sunak this to move on to get back to focusing on the

artertttee— to get back to focusing on the priorities. but— to get back to focusing on the priorities. but dominic raab, as we nave— priorities. but dominic raab, as we have heard— priorities. but dominic raab, as we have heard in— priorities. but dominic raab, as we have heard in that absolutely taeetaattag— we have heard in that absolutely fascinating interview , just fascinating interview, just taere— fascinating interview, just there really— fascinating interview, just there really feels that he has teea— there really feels that he has been wronged. _ there really feels that he has been wronged. now he was quite earetat— been wronged. now he was quite earetat nev— been wronged. now he was quite careful how he— been wronged. now he was quite careful how he chose his words. he careful how he chose his words. ne vva— careful how he chose his words. ne teea— careful how he chose his words. he was keen to— careful how he chose his words. he was keen to say— careful how he chose his words. he was keen to say several times he he was keen to say several times ae vva— he was keen to say several times ae a— he was keen to say several times ae a ttg— he was keen to say several times ae a ttg taa— he was keen to say several times he was a big fan of— he was keen to say several times he was a big fan of the civil eervtee— he was a big fan of the civil service that— he was a big fan of the civil service that most of them were trttttaat— service that most of them were trttttaat .— service that most of them were brilliant. but— service that most of them were brilliant. but also— service that most of them were brilliant. but also to service that most of them were brilliant . but also to say that brilliant. but also to say that ttttereat— brilliant. but also to say that different rules— brilliant. but also to say that different rules had been applied to different rules had been applied te rim,— different rules had been applied te rim, ne— different rules had been applied te rim, ae va— different rules had been applied to him, he was talking about the teagta— to him, he was talking about the teagta et— to him, he was talking about the teagta et taae— to him, he was talking about the length of time that you can make eeaetatate— length of time that you can make complaints within— length of time that you can make complaints within saying in an eraeteyraeat— complaints within saying in an employment tribunal , in a normal employment tribunal, in a normal vvertetaee.— employment tribunal, in a normal vertetaee. tt— employment tribunal, in a normal vertetaee. tr yea— employment tribunal, in a normal workplace, if you didn't come up attra— workplace, if you didn't come up vvttta a— workplace, if you didn't come up with a complaint— workplace, if you didn't come up with a complaint within three aeatta.— with a complaint within three raeatae. ttea— with a complaint within three months, then it— with a complaint within three months, then it would be null aat— months, then it would be null aat vett— months, then it would be null aat vett .— months, then it would be null and void . and— months, then it would be null and void . and also talking about and void. and also talking about new— and void. and also talking about tea tea— and void. and also talking about new tev tte— and void. and also talking about how low the bar— and void. and also talking about how low the bar was set and that taeteatty— how low the bar was set and that taeteatty aavt— how low the bar was set and that basically hurt feelings should be tast— basically hurt feelings should te taet taat— basically hurt feelings should be just that hurt— basically hurt feelings should be just that hurt feelings and worries about— be just that hurt feelings and worries about it,— be just that hurt feelings and worries about it, constraining tae— worries about it, constraining the government— worries about it, constraining the government in attempts to do its the government in attempts to do tte tet. — the government in attempts to do tte tet. tt— the government in attempts to do tte tet. rt etvtt— the government in attempts to do its job. if civil servants are going— its job. if civil servants are getag te— its job. if civil servants are getag te te— its job. if civil servants are getag te te ee— its job. if civil servants are going to be so delicate in their teettage— going to be so delicate in their teettage. t— going to be so delicate in their feelings. i should— going to be so delicate in their feelings. i should say though , feelings. i should say though, tteat— feelings. i should say though, that tree— feelings. i should say though, that there were, _ feelings. i should say though, that there were, of course, eeaetatate— that there were, of course, complaints by— that there were, of course, complaints by multiple people , complaints by multiple people, all complaints by multiple people, att aat— complaints by multiple people,

all and clearly— complaints by multiple people, all and clearly the report does raeattea— all and clearly the report does raeattea aaye— all and clearly the report does mention says his— all and clearly the report does mention says his conduct , he mention says his conduct, he veat— mention says his conduct, he veat teyeat— mention says his conduct, he went beyond what was reasonably aeeeeeary . nte— went beyond what was reasonably necessary . his conduct was bound necessary. his conduct was bound to necessary. his conduct was bound te te— necessary. his conduct was bound to be experienced— necessary. his conduct was bound to be experienced as undermining or to be experienced as undermining er aaratttattag— to be experienced as undermining or humiliating by— to be experienced as undermining or humiliating by the effective tattvttaat— or humiliating by the effective tattvttaat .— or humiliating by the effective individual. he— or humiliating by the effective individual. he must have been et— individual. he must have been et tate— individual. he must have been aware of this effect, or he eagat— aware of this effect, or he ought reasonably to have been nett— ought reasonably to have been aware. well, it— ought reasonably to have been aware. well, it certainly seems aera— aware. well, it certainly seems trera ateat— aware. well, it certainly seems from what dominic raab is saying . tteat— from what dominic raab is saying . tnat ae— from what dominic raab is saying , that he certainly— from what dominic raab is saying , that he certainly was not aware, not aware at all. and in tact.— aware, not aware at all. and in tact. ne— aware, not aware at all. and in tact. ae aaye— aware, not aware at all. and in fact, he says nobody had told tara— fact, he says nobody had told atra ttte— fact, he says nobody had told him this was— fact, he says nobody had told him this was bullying until aattt— him this was bullying until aattt tate— him this was bullying until until this report . / him this was bullying until until this report . t/rirtit“ until this report. yeah. look, catherine, thank you very , very catherine, thank you very, very much. catherine forster our political reporter on downing street. now, let me just whiz through some of the things through some of the key things that out to me. first and that stood out to me. first and foremost, he'd foremost, dominic raab. he'd been was all over been accused. it was all over the press of him the british press of him throwing a tomato civil throwing a tomato as a civil servant in fit of rage erg servant in a fit of rage erg he's come out on gb news and confirmed he not throw confirmed that he did not throw the tomato. also confirmed the tomato. he's also confirmed that person that that the person who told that story sanctioned, it

story was sanctioned, i.e. it was complete fabrication that found its into the british found its way into the british press, ties into view press, which ties into his view that was dumb. with trial by that he was dumb. with trial by media, raab referred to an activist elements in the civil service as being led by unions who want to bring down government ministers whose ideologies they disagree with , ideologies they disagree with, which is a concern for people . which is a concern for people. and when one looks at the claims that were made against dominic raab and how they upheld, raab and how they were upheld, just them, and the manner just two of them, and the manner in which were upheld , it in which they were upheld, it ties in with the idea. now that some of these claims went about four a half years, some went four and a half years, some went about a years, but about two and a half years, but they were miraculously they were all miraculously brought on same day. and he, brought on the same day. and he, as he said, here to olivia as he said, right here to olivia utley, not warned utley, that was not warned previously his previously about any of his conduct. and maybe that ties into that. i want to into that. and i just want to raise thing as well that raise one thing as well that made the time. made me chuckle at the time. dominic said that one dominic raab said that one person claimed that he person who claimed that he bullied them because when he bullied them was because when he was praising a room of people for doing a good job, he didn't name them personally . and we name them personally. and we wonder, don't we? i think

sometimes why people think that there is a snowflake culture out there. dominic did resign this morning, didn't say there. dominic did resign this morn an, didn't say there. dominic did resign this morn an inquiry didn't say there. dominic did resign this morn an inquiry found 't say there. dominic did resign this morn an inquiry found that/ there. dominic did resign this morn an inquiry found that he after an inquiry found that he had acted, intimidating had acted, quote, intimidating and insultingly in his manner with civil servants. raab hit back against the inquiry. he did speak, like i said, exclusively to earlier. he said, we to gb news earlier. he said, we risk a small cabal blocking reforms because of hurt feelings and he's been warned of increasing civil service activism. should he have been activism. so should he have been made to resign? i suspect no, not really. if he had stayed and sunak had kept him and you just heard that full length interview right now, a lot of you have been getting in touch on this. by been getting in touch on this. by the way. so there's no way that he should have gone. i think it would have been think that it would have been less of a story than the one that it less of a story than the one thatitis less of a story than the one that it is turning out to be right but should have right now. but should he have been made to resign? are the civil really just a load civil service really just a load of don't like it of snowflakes who don't like it when their when they're told that their work up to scratch? work isn't up to scratch? joining me now is william atkinson, assistant editor of conservative home and political commentator stadlen. commentator matthew stadlen. i will with william.

commentator matthew stadlen. i will do with william. commentator matthew stadlen. i will do youh william. commentator matthew stadlen. i will do you make william. commentator matthew stadlen. i will do you make of lliam. commentator matthew stadlen. i will do you make of thisn. commentator matthew stadlen. i will do you make of this and do what do you make of this and do you think, based on what know you think, based on what we know right the civil right now, that the civil service snowflakes service is a bunch of snowflakes and shouldn't have gone? and raab shouldn't have gone? yes, but i don't think that's reatty— yes, but i don't think that's really-know,- yes, but i don't think that's really-know, as. yes, but i don't think that's. really-know, as you really news. we know, as you agntty— really news. we know, as you natty-eat.- really news. we know, as you rightly-out, the - really news. we know, as you rightly out, the civil rightly pointed out, the civil eervtee— rightly pointed out, the civil eervtee te— rightly pointed out, the civil service is one— rightly pointed out, the civil service is one of— rightly pointed out, the civil service is one of the few organisations,- service is one of the few organisations, in organisations, as it seems in tte— organisations, as it seems in tne-vaere— organisations, as it seems in tae-vaere tte- organisations, as it seems in the where it's impossible the world where it's impossible to the world where it's impossible te aaet— the world where it's impossible to sack anybody,— the world where it's impossible to sack anybody, useless to sack anybody, however useless tteat— to sack anybody, however useless treat-aeratate— to sack anybody, however useless that dominic raab's that they are. dominic raab's tragety— that they are. dominic raab's tragety-ne— that they are. dominic raab's tragedy he bothered tragedy is that he bothered to aerat— tragedy is that he bothered to eeat—eerae- tragedy is that he bothered to point some people point this out to some people vae— point this out to some people yae-verttag— point this out to some people- who .working-they who were working for him. they ttta-t— who were working for him. they ttta-t ttte— who were working for him. they didn't like it. _ who were working for him. they didn't like it. they've- who were working for him. “cg r: r: t“ c i c they've created didn't like it. they've created various spurious— r: r: t“ c i c they've created various spurious campaigns which aave—tattytag- have been labelled bullying and aslconsequence_ have been labelled bullying and as consequence he has been as a consequence he has been teatet— as a consequence he has been tereet eat— as a consequence he has been tereet eat aat— as a consequence he has been forced out and i— as a consequence he has been forced out and i think it is a tragety— forced out and i think it is a tragety ter— forced out and i think it is a tragedy for both _ forced out and i think it is a tragedy for both dominic raab aat— tragedy for both dominic raab aat ne— tragedy for both dominic raab and his career. _ tragedy for both dominic raab and his career. but more importantly for future ministers . they are going to be constantly their backs constantly watching their backs and service, which is and our civil service, which is already too large and too useless, has now got free reign to ever kick any to kick to ever to kick out any to kick out any ministers in future that it it dislikes. duffers it that it dislikes. the duffers have triumphed today essentially . matthew would you feel bullied if i . matthew would you feel bullied n t vva— . matthew would you feel bullied n t tetag— . matthew would you feel bullied n t tetag a— matthew would you feel bullied if i was doing a review of this eaea— if i was doing a review of this they aat— if i was doing a review of this they aat t— if i was doing a review of this show and i said— if i was doing a review of this show and i said my guests show and i said that my guests were-tat— show and i said that my guests were-tat t— show and i said that my guests were-but i didn't- were fabulous but i didn't name you were fabulous but i didn't name yea-eeraea— were fabulous but i didn't name youlperson? — were fabulous but i didn't name you-person ? no,- were fabulous but i didn't name you-person ? no, i- were fabulous but i didn't name you person ? \ritr you in person? no, ijust i just

correct you and explain to you that i was doing a perfectly good job. thank you, patrick. now:— good job. thank you, patrick. nev. teet— good job. thank you, patrick. now, look, what— 2g: thank you, patrick. now, look, what william says is taat— now, look, what william says is that tte— now, look, what william says is that the civil— now, look, what william says is that the civil service is eeaeevva— that the civil service is somehow useless. i that the civil service is- somehow-useless. i mean, somehow too useless. i mean, aeratate— somehow too useless. i mean, aeratate taat— somehow too useless. i mean, dominic raab himself said in taat— dominic raab himself said in that interview— dominic raab himself said in that interview with olivia that the that interview with olivia that tae etvtt— that interview with olivia that the civil servants— that interview with olivia that the civil servants had enabled arra— the civil servants had enabled atra te— the civil servants had enabled atra te te— the civil servants had enabled him to do what— the civil servants had enabled him to do what he did. ti him to do what he did. he veatta-t— him to do what he did. he wouldn't have— him to do what he did. he wouldn't have been able to do some of the extraordinary things that he probably thinks he has done the of the done without the help of the civil service. now, this is an ett— civil service. now, this is an ett tagtear— civil service. now, this is an old bugbear of— civil service. now, this is an old bugbear of the- vi. , i ri.ri now, this is an old bugbear of the or maybe vi. , i vi.vi now, this is an old bugbear of the or maybe even a—tagtear- old bugbear of the or maybe even a—tagtear et- old bugbear of the or maybe even a_bugbear of the. a relatively new bugbear of the agat— a relatively new bugbear of the rtht-raetta. — a relatively new bugbear of the right-media. .wantl a relatively new bugbear of the. right-media. .want to right wing media. they want to go what they see the go after what they see as the blob. wasn't anything blob. there wasn't anything teatetett— blob. there wasn't anything bombshell about— there wasn't anything bombshell about these revelations _ bombshell about these revelations as far as i can see. nat— revelations as far as i can see. nat ttat— revelations as far as i can see. nat ttat tae— revelations as far as i can see. and that has given— revelations as far as i can see. and that has given oxygen precisely to elements in the right wing media to say that this is all some sort of conspiracy. now, it's true. it taat— conspiracy. now, it's true. it seems that some— conspiracy. now, it's true. it seems that some of- i ”etigt now, it's true. it seems that some of the claims agataet— seems that some of the claims agataet taat— seems that some of the claims against raab were— seems that some of the claims against raab were dismissed. tarr— against raab were dismissed. ratr eaeagn— against raab were dismissed. ratr eaeagt. t— against raab were dismissed. fair enough. i think— against raab were dismissed. fair enough. i think if- against raab were dismissed. fair enough. i think if you're going to put a king's counsel in charge of this sort of report, we have to some degree of we have to have some degree of trust in what he finds. and we mustn't lose sight— trust in what he finds. and we mustn't lose sight of- trust in what he finds. and we mustn't lose sight of the- t“ �*" “titi: and we mustn't lose sight of the fact you— mustn't lose sight of the fact yea teee— mustn't lose sight of the fact you keep mentioning you keep

raeatteatag— you keep mentioning you keep mentioning the— you keep mentioning you keep mentioning the serious civil eervaat— mentioning the serious civil eervaat-vvtae— mentioning the serious civil servant-who was- mentioning the serious civil servant who was forced to go servant who who was forced to go or servant who who was forced to go er aette— servant who who was forced to go or move aside over— servant who who was forced to go or move aside over over ettrattar. — or move aside over over gibraltar. it- or move aside over over gibraltar. c “vi t“ or move aside over over- gibraltar. it was found in this report that raab had behaved while justice secretary in an intimidating and insulting manner. now it is absolutely eeeettte. — manner. now it is absolutely eeeettte. t— manner. now it is absolutely possible. i know— t“ now it is absolutely possible. i know this from many year— possible. i know this from many yea teeatee— possible. i know this from many years, decades in— possible. i know this from many years, decades in the workplace rayeett. — years, decades in the workplace rayeett. tt— years, decades in the workplace rayeett. tt te— years, decades in the workplace myself. it is absolutely eeeettte— myself. it is absolutely possible to _ myself. it is absolutely possible to demand exacting etaatarte— possible to demand exacting standards or— possible to demand exacting standards or to— possible to demand exacting standards or to have demanding etaatarte— standards or to have demanding etaatarte et— standards or to have demanding standards of oneself and it's eeeettte— standards of oneself and it's eeeettte te— standards of oneself and it's possible to demand that without vvttaeat— possible to demand that without vttaeat tetag— possible to demand that without without being intimidating or taaet— without being intimidating or taeet tteat— without being intimidating or taeet that t— without being intimidating or inset that i do— without being intimidating or inset that i do get that . inset that i do get that. but tat— inset that i do get that. but but potentially,— inset that i do get that. but but potentially, when you are staring someone in the face who might have just completely kiboshed britain's relationship with spain, i think that there might be called for there for a slightly more forceful tone of language. matthew, i'll just go back william, before i back to you, william, before i go matthew . i back to you, william, before i go matthew. i mean, back to you, william, before i go matthew . i mean, do go back to matthew. i mean, do you think that dominic raab actually , frankly, really has actually, frankly, really has got grounds for had he not resigned, he'd have grounds for unlawful dismissal ? yes, i would

unlawful dismissal? yes, i would say it's unlawful dismissal? yes, i would say ttte atvaye— unlawful dismissal? yes, i would say it's always bizarre— unlawful dismissal? yes, i would say it's always bizarre to- i. vi 7 yes, i would say it's always bizarre to find eat— say it's always bizarre to find eat taat— say it's always bizarre to find out that these _ say it's always bizarre to find out that these ministers, as atta— out that these ministers, as vvttta tatt — out that these ministers, as with priti patel— out that these ministers, as with priti patel and suella braverman last year , who are braverman last year, who are aaet— braverman last year, who are aaet et— braverman last year, who are accused of bullying civil eervaate— accused of bullying civil servants, tend - accused of bullying civil servants, tend to be a brexiteers _ servants, tend to be a brexiteers and b ministers who are brexiteers and b ministers who trytag— brexiteers and b ministers who trytag te— brexiteers and b ministers who trytag te eaea— brexiteers and b ministers who are trying to push through eettey— are trying to push through policy agendas that it's well taevva— policy agendas that it's well taeva tteat— policy agendas that it's well known that many of their staff tea-t— known that many of their staff don't actually— known that many of their staff don't actually like or agree vtta— don't actually like or agree vvttta .— don't actually like or agree vvttta . tat— don't actually like or agree with . and yes,— don't actually like or agree with . and yes, i- don't actually like or agree with . and yes, i could say that with. and yes, i could say that you— with. and yes, i could say that . yea taeva— with. and yes, i could say that , you know, raab— with. and yes, i could say that , you know, raab probably feels tart— , you know, raab probably feels nart teae— , you know, raab probably feels nart teae ty— , you know, raab probably feels hard done by and— , you know, raab probably feels hard done by and he probably teee— hard done by and he probably teee nave— hard done by and he probably does have various grounds to eaggeet— does have various grounds to eaggeet taat— does have various grounds to eaggeet taat .— does have various grounds to suggest that , you know, as i say suggest that, you know, as i say . aeeerttag— suggest that, you know, as i say . aeeerttag te— suggest that, you know, as i say , according to this,— suggest that, you know, as i say , according to this, this report . tattytag— , according to this, this report . tattytag te— , according to this, this report .tattytag ta ta— , according to this, this report , bullying is in the eye of the tetetter— , bullying is in the eye of the teaetter .— , bullying is in the eye of the beholder . and— , bullying is in the eye of the beholder . and i— , bullying is in the eye of the beholder. and i don't think, as it beholder. and i don't think, as t eaggeete— beholder. and i don't think, as t eaggeete at— beholder. and i don't think, as it suggests at various different aerate.— it suggests at various different pointst taat— it suggests at various different points, that staring at people or points, that staring at people er teraaattag— points, that staring at people or demanding that you turn up at raeettage— or demanding that you turn up at raeettage ea— or demanding that you turn up at meetings on time— or demanding that you turn up at meetings on time could really be reaeeaatty— meetings on time could really be reasonably classed— meetings on time could really be reasonably classed as bullying. but reasonably classed as bullying. eat t— reasonably classed as bullying. tat t tatat— reasonably classed as bullying. but i think more— reasonably classed as bullying. but i think more importantly , i but i think more importantly, i tatat— but i think more importantly, i that nett— but i think more importantly, i think rishi sunak is probably gatetty— think rishi sunak is probably quietly relieved— think rishi sunak is probably quietly relieved that dominic taat— quietly relieved that dominic taat nae— quietly relieved that dominic raab has gone— quietly relieved that dominic raab has gone simply for the taat— raab has gone simply for the taet tteat— raab has gone simply for the taet that n— raab has gone simply for the fact that if he'd— raab has gone simply for the fact that if he'd remained in etaee— fact that if he'd remained in etaee yea— fact that if he'd remained in place you would— fact that if he'd remained in place you would have seen a sort of place you would have seen a sort et eeeetrara— place you would have seen a sort et eeeetrara et— place you would have seen a sort of spectrum of resignations from the of spectrum of resignations from tne-eervtee— of spectrum of resignations from the-service-labour- the civil service and labour raattag—tt- the civil service and labour raattag—tt forl the civil service and labouri making—it for the making hay out of it for the aett— making hay out of it for the aett-et— making hay out of it for the next-of weeks. - making hay out of it for the-

next-of weeks. matthew, next couple of weeks. matthew, eees— next couple of weeks. matthew, doesldoes— next couple of weeks. matthew, does does it set a worrying does it does it set a worrying precedent not just for dominic raab, but for people like us, for really, that four and for anyone really, that four and a after an event, a half years after an event, someone together and someone can get together and say, know , this this man, say, you know, this this man, i felt intimated , dated by this felt intimated, dated by this chap and there's no huge scrutiny about it. then a load of stuff gets briefed to the press, which turns out to not be that true or true at all, and only a couple of the incidents get found to have actually been proven. and you have to lose your job. proven. and you have to lose yourjob.| proven. and you have to lose yourjob. i mean, do we want to your job. i mean, do we want to live in that world? well, the taagaage— live in that world? well, the taagaage er— live in that world? well, the language or the— i t“ i7 well, the language or the behaviour that was described— language or the behaviour that was described by— language or the behaviour that was described by this king's eeaaeet— was described by this king's counsel as intimidating and taeatttag— counsel as intimidating and insulting seems to have happened vaea— insulting seems to have happened vaea ne— insulting seems to have happened vaea ae vva— insulting seems to have happened when he was justice secretary . when he was justice secretary. he when he was justice secretary. ne nata-t— when he was justice secretary. he hasn't been— when he was justice secretary. he hasn't been justice- when he was justice secretary. he hasn't been justice for- he hasn't been justice for secretary that long. so let's get some perspective on this overall , no one get some perspective on this overall, no one is get some perspective on this overall , no one is saying overall, no one is saying i don't think that you should not be able to robust exchange be able to have robust exchange in workplace. no one is in the workplace. no one is saying, certainly— in the workplace. no one is saying, certainly not- t“ no one is saying, certainly not me , that saying, certainly not me, that you— saying, certainly not me, that yea-teaaat- saying, certainly not me, that you demand high you shouldn't demand high etaatarte— you shouldn't demand high standards-of- you shouldn't demand high standards of those who standards. both of those who vvert— standards. both of those who neat-yea.- standards. both of those who work you, alongside work beneath you, alongside you, but work beneath you, alongside you, tat atte— work beneath you, alongside you, tat atee et— work beneath you, alongside you, but also of yourself. ' “vi but also of yourself. and i

that— but also of yourself. and i think there— but also of yourself. and i think there certainly will be people, bosses up and down the country will be examining themselves, thinking their themselves, thinking about their own . yeah, they'll be own behaviour. yeah, they'll be terrtttet— own behaviour. yeah, they'll be terrified whether— i yeah, they'll be terrified whether they've well, vveatertag— terrified whether they've well, wondering they've got it wondering whether they've got it agat— wondering whether they've got it rtgtat er— wondering whether they've got it agat er aet. — wondering whether they've got it right or not. you— wondering whether they've got it right or not. you can look at tate— right or not. you can look at ttte twe— right or not. you can look at this two ways,— right or not. you can look at this two ways, can't you? you vea— this two ways, can't you? you can. you can suggest has said tteat— can. you can suggest has said that taere— can. you can suggest has said that there may— can. you can suggest has said that there may be— can. you can suggest has said that there may be a chilling etteet— that there may be a chilling etteet ea— that there may be a chilling effect on civil— that there may be a chilling effect on civil servants . or you effect on civil servants. or you say.— effect on civil servants. or you eay. tat— effect on civil servants. or you eay. tat tt— effect on civil servants. or you can say, but if you're the aeeaty— can say, but if you're the aeeaty eaae— can say, but if you're the deputy prime minister and indeed if deputy prime minister and indeed tt aeeve— deputy prime minister and indeed tt neeve yea — deputy prime minister and indeed if whoever you are,— deputy prime minister and indeed if whoever you are, you should teaave— if whoever you are, you should teaave-vvay— if whoever you are, you should behave .way that - if whoever you are, you should behave way that is not behave in a way that is not intimidating— behave in a way that is not intimidating insulting . intimidating and insulting. ttgtt— intimidating and insulting. ttgtt. an— intimidating and insulting. right. all right.— intimidating and insulting. right. all right. all- intimidating and insulting. right. all right. all right. yeah. no, absolutely. both yeah. no, absolutely. look, both of very much. of you, thank you very much. good stuff that that's william atkinson there assistant atkinson there as assistant editor conservativehome atkinson there as assistant editor commentatoriome atkinson there as assistant editor commentator matthew political commentator matthew stadlen. again, stadlen. now, look yet again, cheeky plug. there's more cheeky little plug. there's more than i am than a cheeky little plug. i am screaming you to and check screaming at you to go and check out the full interview that olivia did with dominic olivia utley did with dominic raab. that. it's raab. we played you that. it's what reacting off the what we've been reacting off the back last 20 minutes. back of for the last 20 minutes. so massive, massive claims in this essentially from raab, which are activist which is that there are activist elements the civil service elements to the civil service wilfully bring down wilfully trying to bring down government wilfully trying to bring down governiof nt unions. that behest of their unions. that will government doing will stop the government doing things like stopping the small

boats, anything, boats, stopping anything, frankly, people frankly, that people of the civil do do not agree civil service do do not agree with. that there were with. he says that there were lies thrown about he's lies thrown about him. he's never thrown tomato. and also never thrown a tomato. and also again, claims about again, some of the claims about this, think , set a really this, i think, set a really damaging precedent. he says that one that he one person claimed that he bullied he didn't bullied them because he didn't praise doing praise them in person for doing a when he praised other a good job when he praised other people. flake city, it's an people. snow flake city, it's an avalanche out there. emily carver , you're up next. yes. carver, you're up next. yes. well, don't go and- ivi i. “it. yes. well, don't go and watch people at—tea-t- well, don't go and watch people at—tea-t ge- well, don't go and watch people at_don't go watch| at home. please don't go watch the at home. please don't go watch tae tatt— at home. please don't go watch the full interview— at home. please don't go watch the full interview yet because at home. please don't go watch thewill interview yet because at home. please don't go watch the will be erview yet because at home. please don't go watch thewill be showingzt because at home. please don't go watch thewill be showingzt becandt we will be showing clips and vee-n— we will be showing clips and vett-ytt- we will be showing clips and we'll-will be- we will be showing clips and we'll will be getting we'll we'll we will be getting nve— we'll we'll we will be getting ttve-trera — we'll we'll we will be getting live _from jacob- live reaction from jacob teee-negg.— live reaction from jacob rees—mogg, of course, live reaction from jacob- rees—mogg,-of course, is rees—mogg, who, of course, is ceaeervattve— rees—mogg, who, of course, is conservative-and- rees—mogg, who, of course, is conservative and gb news. so conservative mp and gb news. so tatt— conservative mp and gb news. so come on, talk about— conservative mp and gb news. so come on, talk about this. teave— come on, talk about this. teave get— come on, talk about this. you've got maggie- come on, talk about this. you've got maggie on. - come on, talk about this. you've got maggie on. we've got him on straight top of the show. he's going to be giving his live reaettea— he's going to be giving his live reaettea te— he's going to be giving his live reaction to olivia— he's going to be giving his live reaction to olivia utley. taataette— reaction to olivia utley. fantastic interview, enlightening fantastic interview, enlighte raab, we'll be dominic raab, and then we'll be tetattag— dominic raab, and then we'll be tetattagitae— dominic raab, and then we'll be debating-the back- dominic raab, and then we'll be debating the back of debating off the back of that vvttta — debating off the back of that with .wonderful- debating off the back of that- with .wonderful _yeah, with my wonderful panel. yeah, teat.— with my wonderful panel. yeah, teet. ve— with my wonderful panel. yeah, teet. ve reatty— with my wonderful panel. yeah, look, we really are— with my wonderful panel. yeah, look, we really are place to look, we really are the place to be you want to get all of the be if you want to get all of the latest lowdown when it comes to not raab going, but not just dominic raab going, but frankly, the culture of the civil service and very civil service and the very concerning direction in which civil service and the very conrcountry,iirection in which civil service and the very

conrcountry,ii|think, in which civil service and the very conrcountry,ii|think, is which our country, i think, is heading. in dewbs& heading. stay locked in dewbs& co emily carver and jacob co with emily carver and jacob rees—mogg. hello again. it's aidan mcgivern here j ii ritvirit t“ it's aidan mcgivern here from the met erarae— aidan mcgivern here from the met ettteeltet— aidan mcgivern here from the met office..lot.cloud_ aidan mcgivern here from the met office. lot cloud across office. a lot of cloud across tagtaat— office. a lot of cloud across england-wales- office. a lot of cloud across england wales today. sunnier england and wales today. sunnier ettee— england and wales today. sunnier skies-scotland— england and wales today. sunnier skies scotland northern skies for scotland and northern reaat.— skies for scotland and northern ireland, although— skies for scotland and northern ireland, although there'll be some appearing in places some fog appearing in places everatgat— some fog appearing in places everatgat .— some fog appearing in places overnight . the— some fog appearing in places overnight . the cloud that we've overnight. the cloud that we've seen across england and wales eeataaeet— seen across england and wales eeataaeet tate— seen across england and wales continues into the— seen across england and wales continues into the evening , but continues into the evening, but the continues into the evening, but tae eevverea— continues into the evening, but the showers tend _ continues into the evening, but the showers tend to die away. eae— the showers tend to die away. eae exeeettea— the showers tend to die away. one exception northern england, where— one exception northern england, where there'll— one exception northern england, where there'll be— one exception northern england, where there'll be continuous eattreate— where there'll be continuous outbreaks of— where there'll be continuous outbreaks of rain on and off taeaga— outbreaks of rain on and off tareaga-atgtat- outbreaks of rain on and off through night and a few through the night and a few eaevvery— through the night and a few showery outbreaks for the ntttaate— showery outbreaks for the midlands. now showery outbreaks for the - midlands. now-edges midlands. now the cloud edges tate— midlands. now the cloud edges into northern— midlands. now the cloud edges into northern-as- midlands. now the cloud edges into northern as well as into northern ireland as well as eeataera— into northern ireland as well as southern scotland— into northern ireland as well as southern scotland keep southern scotland, but we keep the southern scotland, but we keep tae-ettee— southern scotland, but we keep the - skies . northern - the clear skies for northern seettaat— the clear skies for northern scotland .the - the clear skies for northern scotland the exception of scotland with the exception of the scotland with the exception of tae tar— scotland with the exception of the far north—east of scotland, vaere— the far north—east of scotland, vaere-get— the far north—east of scotland, where-got some- the far north—east of scotland, where got some and where we've got some mist and tea— where we've got some mist and tev ateat— where we've got some mist and tev eteat .— where we've got some mist and low cloud . but— where we've got some mist and low cloud . but all— where we've got some mist and low cloud . but all in all, high low cloud. but all in all, high areeeare te— low cloud. but all in all, high pressure is pushing away. that's attevtag— pressure is pushing away. that's allowing weather— pressure is pushing away. that's allowing weather fronts to etevty— allowing weather fronts to etevty eve— allowing weather fronts to slowly move north, as well as tev— slowly move north, as well as tev aeaeare— slowly move north, as well as low pressure turning the weather more changeable— low pressure turning the weather more changeable this weekend tetere— more changeable this weekend before .turns_ more changeable this weekend before turns colder at the before it turns colder at the eat— before it turns colder at the eat et— before it turns colder at the eat et tae — before it turns colder at the end of the weekend. so we start the end of the weekend. so we start tae vveeteat— end of the weekend. so we start the weekend with— end of the weekend. so we start the weekend with a lot of cloud cover, some mist— the weekend with a lot of cloud cover, some mist and fog in the far cover, some mist and fog in the tar eeata— cover, some mist and fog in the tar eeata. ae— cover, some mist and fog in the far south, as well— cover, some mist and fog in the far south, as well as the far aerta—eaet— far south, as well as the far north—east of—

far south, as well as the far north—east of scotland. a north—east of scotland. such a treet— north—east of scotland. such a treat vaere— north—east of scotland. such a frost where - got - north—east of scotland. such a frost where got clear frost where we've got clear stree— frost where we've got clear ettee—eat- frost where we've got clear. skies - but actually skies overnight. but actually the skies overnight. but actually tae eteaty— skies overnight. but actually the cloudy conditions mean that meet—te— the cloudy conditions mean that meet—te treet- the cloudy conditions mean that most—be frost free. most places will be frost free aat— most places will be frost free and outbreaks— most places will be frost free and outbreaks of— most places will be frost free and outbreaks of rain will push tate— and outbreaks of rain will push rate-aat— and outbreaks of rain will push into-and southern- into central and southern seettaat— into central and southern- scotland _ northern scotland as well as northern tretaat— scotland as well as northern ireland. afternoon, with ireland. by the afternoon, with eevverea— ireland. by the afternoon, with showers breaking— ireland. by the afternoon, with showers breaking out elsewhere across-and wales,- across england and wales, we teee—ter- across england and wales, we. teee—tev aaet keep the sunnier skies for much of keep the sunnier skies for much et aertaera— keep the sunnier skies for much of northern and— keep the sunnier skies for much of northern and northwestern seettaat.— of northern and northwestern scotland. _from - of northern and northwestern scotland. from some of the scotland. away from some of the ratety— scotland. away from some of the more misty coasts— scotland. away from some of the more misty coasts .— scotland. away from some of the more misty coasts . but the more misty coasts. but the eattreate— more misty coasts. but the outbreaks of— more misty coasts. but the outbreaks of rain do move into aertaera— outbreaks of rain do move into northern scotland _ outbreaks of rain do move into northern scotland by the end of satartay— northern scotland by the end of satartay aat— northern scotland by the end of saturday and so— northern scotland by the end of saturday and so for most places, vett— saturday and so for most places, vett .— saturday and so for most places, vett . vveve— saturday and so for most places, vett . get— saturday and so for most places, well , we've got a— saturday and so for most places, well , we've got a lot of cloud well, we've got a lot of cloud on well, we've got a lot of cloud ea satartay— well, we've got a lot of cloud on saturday night, further eeette— on saturday night, further eeette et— on saturday night, further spells of rain— on saturday night, further spells of rain moving up from the spells of rain moving up from tae eeata— spells of rain moving up from the south,-rain.- spells of rain moving up from the south, rain. so it's the south, showery rain. so it's going— the south, showery rain. so it's getag te— the south, showery rain. so it's getag te te— the south, showery rain. so it's getag te te ea— the south, showery rain. so it's going to be on and off. but with the going to be on and off. but with tae ateat— going to be on and off. but with the cloud cover,— going to be on and off. but with the cloud cover, of— going to be on and off. but with the cloud cover, of course, and tae— the cloud cover, of course, and tae teee— the cloud cover, of course, and the breeze, it's— the cloud cover, of course, and the breeze, it's going to be a treet— the breeze, it's going to be a treat-agat— the breeze, it's going to be a frost-night for- the breeze, it's going to be a frost-night for all- the breeze, it's going to be a frost night for all of us. frost free night for all of us. saatay— frost free night for all of us. saatay taea— frost free night for all of us. sunday then starts off with a lot sunday then starts off with a tet et— sunday then starts off with a tet et ateat— sunday then starts off with a lot of cloud cover outbreaks of rata— lot of cloud cover outbreaks of rain or showers.— lot of cloud cover outbreaks of rain or showers. some early nee— rain or showers. some early showers possible the london showers possible for the london naratnea.— showers possible for the london naratnea. tat— showers possible for the london marathon, but actually a drier tatertate.— marathon, but actually a drier tatertate. t— marathon, but actually a drier interlude, i think, for much of tne— interlude, i think, for much of the marathon— interlude, i think, for much of the marathon before showers rearta— the marathon before showers earta tater— the marathon before showers return later in— the marathon before showers return later in the afternoon for return later in the afternoon tea teatea— return later in the afternoon for london and— return later in the afternoon for london and for elsewhere in the for london and for elsewhere in tne tat.— for london and for elsewhere in tne at. tt— for london and for elsewhere in the uk, it turns— for london and for elsewhere in the uk, it turns colder later saatay— the uk, it turns colder later saatay vttn— the uk, it turns colder later sunday with a _ the uk, it turns colder later sunday with a return to

everatgat— sunday with a return to overnight frosts monday and taeetay— overnight frosts monday and taeetay .—

ignatian. what do you make of it? dominic raab in an exclusive interview with gb news olivia utley has suggested that there may have been activist elements within the civil service who target ministers. they may not agree with. what do you make of that? do you think the threshold for bullying is too low or are you with the civil servants? perhaps. let me know. we'll be debating that. we'll be speaking to than jacob to none other than jacob rees—mogg , conservative and rees—mogg, conservative mp and gb news presenter on that in