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dowler. they could have picked a better— dowler. they could have picked a better picture— dowler. they could have picked a better picture of— dowler. they could have picked a better picture of a— r they could have picked a better picture of a look at that yesterday. — better picture of a look at that yesterday. a— better picture of a look at that yesterday. a few— better picture of a look at that yesterday. a few moments time, i'll yesterday. a few moments time, ru be— yesterday. a few moments time, ru be mocking— yesterday. a few moments time, i'll be mocking the week with comedian— i'll be mocking the week with comedian-dolan- i'll be mocking the week with comedian-dolan .- i'll be mocking the week with comedian dolan . but before comedian mark dolan. but before we comedian mark dolan. but before eve-started,— comedian mark dolan. but before we-started,-your- we get started, let's get your latest— we get started, let's get your latest newe— we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . nana. latest news headlines. nana. thank— latest news headlines. nana. thank wee. — latest news headlines. nana. thank you. good- latest news headlines. nana. thank you. c: thank you. good afternoon. it's just gone 3:00. i'm bethany elsey with your top stories from the gb newsroom. the foreign office has confirmed the prime minister chaired an emergency cobra meeting this morning as fierce fighting in sudan enters its second week. sudan's military claims foreign nationals, including from the uk, us, france and china, are to be evacuated and says it will help with evacuation plans . the help with evacuation plans. the world health organisation says more than 400 people have been killed and thousands more injured since the violence began. government forces there are battling with a paramilitary group over control of the capital khartoum . the snp has capital khartoum. the snp has appointed stuart mcdonald as the

party's new treasurer following the resignation of msp colin beattie. mr beattie stepped down after he was arrested by police investigating snp finances. he was later released without charge. the party's former chief executive , peter murrell, who executive, peter murrell, who was also nicola sturgeon's husband, was also arrested and questioned before being released. police are investing dating the use of £600,000 in donations meant for the independence referendum . a independence referendum. a serving member of the british armed forces has appeared in court charged with offences under the official secrets act . under the official secrets act. 36 year old thomas newsom is accused of sharing highly sensitive military information . sensitive military information. he's alleged to have shared a ten page document through social media to two senior officers who had clearance and one civilian who didn't . prosecutors claim if who didn't. prosecutors claim if the information was leaked, it would have caused a real and immediate threat to british people outside of the uk. he's

due in court again on friday. the family of stephen lawrence have held a memorial service in trafalgar square to mark the 30th anniversary of his murder . 30th anniversary of his murder. the 18 year old was killed in a racist attack while waiting for a bus in south east london. it's alleged the original investigation was hindered by racism and police corruption , racism and police corruption, meaning it took almost 20 years for two of his killers to face justice. the mayor of london, sadiq khan , said it was a day to sadiq khan, said it was a day to celebrate the work of the lawrence family . we're here lawrence family. we're here today ee— lawrence family. we're here today to celebrate- "sz e,’ we're here today to celebrate and remember seephen— today to celebrate and remember stephen lawrence's life , his stephen lawrence's life, his legacy— stephen lawrence's life, his legacy ,— stephen lawrence's life, his legacy , luc— stephen lawrence's life, his legacy , but also the extra legacy, but also the extra cwllnew— legacy, but also the extra ordinary work— legacy, but also the extra ordinary work that's taken place by ele— ordinary work that's taken place by we femllw. — ordinary work that's taken place by his family. doreen lawrence by his family. doreen lawrence lw chew— by his family. doreen lawrence lw new team— by his family. doreen lawrence by their team to— by his family. doreen lawrence by their team to address the cf— by their team to address the issues of equality and diversity enl— issues of equality and diversity and inclusion— issues of equality and diversity and inclusion ._ issues of equality and diversity and inclusion . asian labour have and inclusion. asian labour have condemned— and inclusion. asian labour have condemned dominic raabs lelewcw— condemned dominic raabs behaviour since his resignation weelewlew— behaviour since his resignation weelewlew ee— behaviour since his resignation yesterday as appalling, saying

he yesterday as appalling, saying le swollen-c— yesterday as appalling, saying he shouldn't be— yesterday as appalling, saying he shouldn't be blaming his accusers for— he shouldn't be blaming his accusers for his— he shouldn't be blaming his accusers for his downfall. the former— accusers for his downfall. the former deputy— accusers for his downfall. the former deputy prime minister resigned yesterday after an investigation upheld some of the bullying allegations made against him. mr raab claims a minority of those within whitehall are effectively trying to block government, while shadow health minister andrew gwynne told us those who've blown the whistle have a right to do so. while the prime minister, who will have known about these allegations, they weren't a secret, sought to appoint him to the second most senior position in government as deputy prime minister but also why he didn't sack dominic raab on receiving this report, why he allowed dominic raab to leave on his own terms and worst of all, doubung his own terms and worst of all, doubling down on the whistleblowers , on the victims. whistleblowers, on the victims. i think that that letter that ocmlnlc— i think that that letter that dominic raab— i think that that letter that dominic raab produced in his cecleneclcn— dominic raab produced in his resignation was— dominic raab produced in his resignation was quite frankly cppelllwg— resignation was quite frankly cppelllwg enl— resignation was quite frankly appalling and showed no humility and ne— appalling and showed no humility and no contrition_ appalling and showed no humility and no contrition . _ appalling and showed no humility and no contrition . ci and no contrition. the cbi has suspended all policy and

membership activity after allegations of rape and sexual assault prompted some of its biggest names to quit. dozen of members, including john lewis , members, including john lewis, natwest, jaguar, land rover and bt, are among those to have pulled out of the trade body. the cbi says it shares the shock and revulsion over the allegations , and tributes have allegations, and tributes have poured in for the australian entertainer barry humphries, who has died at the age of 89. dufing has died at the age of 89. during a seven decade career, he was best known for his alter egos , including dame edna egos, including dame edna everage and sir les patterson. akua jason donovan described him as an entertaining genius and the australian prime minister, anthony albanese paid tribute to him as the brightest star in a galaxy of personas. he died in hospital surrounded by his family . you're up to date on gb family. you're up to date on gb news now it's back to nana .

news now it's back to nana. good afternoon. it's fast cppccecllwe— good afternoon. it's fast eppcceclelwg. - good afternoon. it's fast approaching. six- good afternoon. it's fast approaching. six minutes after 3:00. this is gb— approaching. six minutes after 3:00. this is gb news- approaching. 15 00 this is gb news on tv, 3:00. this is gb news on tv, celle— 3:00. this is gb news on tv, cwllne enl— 3:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on— 15 00 this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. ane— online and on digital radio. ann nw— online and on digital radio. ann lc-s— online and on digital radio. and now it's time— online and on digital radio. and now it's time for- online and on digital radio. and now it's time for mark of the week. speaking of week rishi sunak giving in to what looks to me like a concerted effort by activist civil servants with 30 feelings, making efforts to bnng feelings, making efforts to bring ministers down. listen . bring ministers down. listen. some officials who had to work with dominic raab were offered therapy. behaviour was described as nasty horror , able and as nasty horror, able and manipulative kyiv. i saw him seething manipulative kyiv. i saw him ceennlne ec— manipulative kyiv. i saw him seething at other— , i saw him seething at other senior people . a— seething at other senior people . a new— seething at other senior people . a hard staring— seething at other senior people . a hard staring at— seething at other senior people . a hard staring at you,- seething at other senior people . a hard staring at you, cold fury. it was pretty sinister and raising his voice . lots of it raising his voice. lots of it was what i'd describe as microaggressions. we've had reports of civil servants bursting into tears before and after meetings. civil servants actually— after meetings. civil servants eclnellw leng— 93 civil servants actually being physically 95 civil servants

actually being physically sick necence— actually being physically sick necenee en— actually being physically sick because of the— actually being physically sick because of the fear allegations clenc— because of the fear allegations encnc clwl— because of the fear allegations about civil servants being too cancel— about civil servants being too ecel cc— about civil servants being too ecel lc le— about civil servants being too scared to go into— about civil servants being too scared to go into his office. ewen— scared to go into his office. lwen cle— scared to go into his office. even the rather— scared to go into his office. even the rather notorious claim that he once got so angry in a meeting that he threw a tomato from a press salad at someone , from a press salad at someone, it seems odd that the civil servants brought forward complaints that happened, some of them two and a half and four and a half years ago, on the same day. back in the real well— same day. back in the real well you— 25; back in the real world, you wouldn't be able to do world, you wouldn't be able to lee-nul— world, you wouldn't be able to lc-nnl we— world, you wouldn't be able to do-but we old- world, you wouldn't be able to do but we old rishi let do that. but we old rishi let nln— do that. but we old rishi let nln le— do that. but we old rishi let nln lc le— do that. but we old rishi let him go to save— do that. but we old rishi let him go to save his own skin. anclnen— him go to save his own skin. anclnen ne— him go to save his own skin. another one bites— him go to save his own skin. another one bites the dust. ncnlnlc— another one bites the dust. dominic raab— another one bites the dust. dominic raab resigned . thank you dominic raab resigned. thank you very— dominic raab resigned. thank you very nncn. — dominic raab resigned. thank you very nncn. leec— dominic raab resigned. thank you very much. just one— dominic raab resigned. thank you very much. �*" very much. just one final question . did you throw the question. did you throw the tomatoes . question. did you throw the tomatoes. and question. did you throw the tomatoes . and then after eco tomatoes. and then after eco twel— tomatoes. and then after eco nnel anal— tomatoes. and then after eco trust affair activists- and then after eco trust affair activists took to we— trust affair activists took to lne nce— trust affair activists took to the race course— trust affair activists took to the race course last week at alnnee— the race course last week at aintree this— the race course last week at aintree this week it was the lwn — aintree this week it was the lwn cl— aintree this week it was the lwn cl cw— aintree this week it was the turn of our friendly just stop oil protesters— turn of our friendly just stop oil protesters who decided to llennpl— oil protesters who decided to llennll lne— oil protesters who decided to disrupt the snooker with some eon— disrupt the snooker with some ecn cl— disrupt the snooker with some eon of onnel— disrupt the snooker with some sort of orange powder. "2; ”2; sort of orange powder. they're demanding that the government immediately all new uk immediately stop all new uk fossil projects and are

fossil fuel projects and are calling on uk sporting institutions to step into a civil resistance against the government's genocidal policies . but i don't think they quite understood that fossil fuels are involved more involved in a whole lot more than just providing petrol and heat. them now heat. here's one of them now with monster , you have six with the monster, you have six children. fryston do you not olonl— children. fryston do you not care about their— 2 2 ”2" fryston do you not care about their future? 2“ 2 ”2“ fryston do you not care about their future? do you not cone— care about their future? do you not care about— care about their future? do you not care about them being able to feel— not care about them being able to feed themselves? because nonl— to feed themselves? because nlnl—lnle- right now under this government's policies, your six cnlllnen— government's policies, your six cnllnen one— government's policies, your six children are heading towards a fullne— children are heading towards a fnlwe lnol— children are heading towards a future that is— children are heading towards a future that is filled with life lnneolenlnl— future that is filled with life threatening extreme weather eeel— threatening extreme weather eeel cron— threatening extreme weather events, crop failures, famine, ennennl— events, crop failures, famine, war, suffering on— events, crop failures, famine, war, suffering on a scale complete— war, suffering on a scale conolele ,— war, suffering on a scale complete , unimaginable. complete, unimaginable. i think wolve— complete, unimaginable. i think youve calen— complete, unimaginable. i think you've taken the— complete, unimaginable. i think you've taken the evidence for an evolving climate and then appued evolving climate and then applied it in an extraordinarily extreme way and are forgetting about the enormous and you're to talking me about an evolving climate. well, talking me about an evolving climate. well , the climate climate. well, the climate people— climate. well, the climate people one— climate. well, the climate people are dying,- 2.c well, the climate people are dying, but erg and cnonnel— people are dying, but erg and cnonnel e— people are dying, but erg and channel 4 state— people are dying, but erg and channel 4 state owned broadcaster— channel 4 state owned broadcaster sunk to even lower lowe— broadcaster sunk to even lower lowe onen— broadcaster sunk to even lower lows after bringing us naked onnocnon. — lows after bringing us naked attraction. where- lows after bringing us naked attraction. �*fw�* ”2 ;2c lows after bringing us naked attraction. �*fw�*“222 2 lows after bringing us naked attraction. 2 attraction. where you choose a match based on their genitals and a ghastly programme where

grown adults parade naked in front minors instead of front of minors instead of covering the coronation they'll be showing film on disgraced be showing a film on disgraced prince andrew. mind fair prince andrew. mind you, fair play prince andrew. mind you, fair play to them on the timing. nobody be watching it. nobody will be watching it. finally, a trans activist, shani varner , a self—professed violent varner, a self—professed violent and cruel martial arts champion, signs up to the women's institute, even though she's a man amid a row over policy to allow transgender members . now, allow transgender members. now, it's simple he's not a woman. she posted on social media a screenshot of the website thanking her for the one off purchase of the supporter plus membership, and added she added this caption, fantastic news . as this caption, fantastic news. as for now, for now, she's a women's institute member, although it turns out she had a list of real women that she claimed that she wanted to murder. shani later went on to claim the kill list claim that the kill list messages in fact, a sting messages were, in fact, a sting operation . been mucky old operation. it's been a mucky old week right now. this is what's conlnl— week right now. this is what's conlng no— week right now. this is what's conlng no lolly. — 2 gm this is what's coming up today. 2 week right now. this is what's coming up today. comedian mark dolan will be joining me in the studio for mock the week, where

we'll be discussing this week's top stories from deputy prime minister dominic raab resignation following an inquiry into bullying allegations to sporting events being disrupted by zealots , with many by eco zealots, with many predicting london marathon predicting the london marathon could channel 4, of could be next. and channel 4, of course, to play course, set to play a documentary about the controversial andrew documentary about the controvthe al andrew documentary about the controvthe king's andrew documentary about the controvthe king's coronation. during the king's coronation. and trans activist who's apparently wants to kill a load of women. but it was a sting operation . so after the mark of operation. so after the mark of the week, it's time for climate control. according new control. and according to new figures interest electric figures, interest in electric cars sunk as electricity cars has sunk as electricity pnces and cars has sunk as electricity prices and the cost of prices surge and the cost of living crisis grips the nation . living crisis grips the nation. then stay tuned. at 335, i'll be speaking to the naked scientist himself, chris smith. and no, he's not naked. is not he's not naked. this is not channel american scientists channel 4. american scientists have even closer to have inched even closer to finding universal flu vaccine finding a universal flu vaccine that could last years , as he'll that could last years, as he'll be taking us through the science behind the discovery. then at 350, it's week's political 350, it's this week's political spotlight. and i'm pleased to say by say i'll be joined by conservative litchfield, conservative mp for litchfield, michael he'll michael fabricant. he'll be joining live in the studio to joining me live in the studio to discuss he into discuss why he got into politics. then don't forget it for , i'll be giving politics. then don't forget it for my , i'll be giving politics. then don't forget it for my take , i'll be giving politics. then don't forget it for my take on , i'll be giving

politics. then don't forget it for my take on dominic3e giving politics. then don't forget it for my take on dominic raab'ing you my take on dominic raab resignation asking resignation and asking you whether you would become a politician. don't miss anything. lnll-e— politician. don't miss anything. that's coming next that's coming up in the next hour. as ever, email me on gb vlewe— hour. as ever, email me on gb vlewe ol— hour. as ever, email me on gb views at gbnews.uk- 2 as ever, email me on gb views at gbnews.uk or tweet me at . views at gbnews.uk or tweet me ll . cl— views at gbnews.uk or tweet me ll . cl newe— views at gbnews.uk or tweet me ll . cl wewe. so— views at gbnews.uk or tweet me at. gb news. so joining me now is at. gb news. so joining me now le conellon— at. gb news. so joining me now is comedian and— at. gb news. so joining me now is comedian and gb news pneeenlen— is comedian and gb news presenter mark- is comedian and gb news presenter mark dolan. \5“5 presenter mark dolan. mark nana . nlce— presenter mark dolan. mark nana . lo— presenter mark dolan. mark nana . lo eee— presenter mark dolan. mark nana , nice to see you. so to great be here. so nice to see someone elee— be here. so nice to see someone elee long— be here. so nice to see someone elee lolnl all— be here. so nice to see someone else doing all the— be here. so nice to see someone else doing all the hard- 22 so nice to see someone else doing all the hard work. is else doing all the hard work. le ll— else doing all the hard work. le ll nw— else doing all the hard work. le ll all— else doing all the hard work. is it now all the— else doing all the hard work. is it now all the heavy- else doing all the hard work. is it now all the heavy lifting? you're on the way later. yes. we've got a busy show coming up and we'll be talking and actually we'll be talking about women's institute. and actually we'll be talking abouti've women's institute. and actually we'll be talking abouti've gotnen's institute. and actually we'll be talking about i've got to n's institute. and actually we'll be talking about i've got to get nstitute. and actually we'll be talking about i've got to get nsti'plug well, i've got to get the plug in. well, i've got to get the plug n. so— well, i've got to get the plug ln. so-neoole- well, i've got to get the plug in. so people watching this in. so many people watching this enow.— in. so many people watching this wow-le— in. so many people watching this show.-it? hahaha- in. so many people watching this show. it? hahaha right. show. is that it? hahaha right. l-n— show. is that it? hahaha right. l-nllneol— show. is that it? hahaha right. l-nllneol een— show. is that it? hahaha right. i'm great self publicist. i'm a great self publicist. well— i'm a great self publicist. well wee— i'm a great self publicist. well, we've got much talk well, we've got so much to talk olonl— well, we've got so much to talk olonl-wlll— well, we've got so much to talk about-will talk- well, we've got so much to talk about will talk about about and we will talk about none— about and we will talk about trans women. _ about and we will talk about trans women. that's a biological mole— trans women. that's a biological male identifying— trans women. that's a biological male identifying as female going into male identifying as female going no we— male identifying as female going into the women's— male identifying as female going into the women's institute. the wonll-e— into the women's institute. the wonll-e lone— into the women's institute. the world's gone mad,— into the women's institute. the world's gone mad, i know, hasn't it? world's gone mad, i know, hasn't ll — world's gone mad, i know, hasn't ll l— world's gone mad, i know, hasn't ll l-wlell— world's gone mad, i know, hasn't it? i-well, not- world's gone mad, i know, hasn't it? i-well, not while- it? i mean. well, not while we're on it. what do you think about it? i mean, i think it's enocllnl— about it? i mean, i think it'si shocking-happening. shocking and it's happening. i'll shocking and it's happening. l-ll le— shocking and it's happening. i'll be talking— shocking and it's happening. i'll be talking about- shocking and it's happening. i'll be talking about later about william hague, because the

former foreign secretary, has said that women should over said that women should get over it, not the right it, which is not the right language to use to any lady. it's some sort of joke and it's to me— it's some sort of joke and it's to me we— it's some sort of joke and it's to me it's misogyny , right? to me it's misogyny, right? a loll— to me it's misogyny, right? a loll ol— to me it's misogyny, right? a loll of en— to me it's misogyny, right? a load of men telling women what a woman is or not— load of men telling women what a woman is or not being able to say— woman is or not being able to eow wnol— woman is or not being able to eow wnol o— woman is or not being able to say what a woman is, which is lune— say what a woman is, which is quite embarrassing. keir quite embarrassing. sir keir sterner— starmer and then a load of i lon-l— starmer and then a load of i lon-l know,— starmer and then a load of i don't know, there's some there's a don't know, there's some there's o-ol— don't know, there's some there's o-ol eoe— don't know, there's some there's a-of some women- don't know, there's some there's a of some women who are a level of some women who are followlnl— following this narrative. i lon-c— following this narrative. i don't-whether- following this narrative. ii don't-whether they're following this narrative. ii don'tlorlwhether they're following this narrative. ii don'tlorlwithey're hey're following this narrative. ii don'tlorlwithey're doing following this narrative. i don't or withey're doing it. afraid or why they're doing it. but majority of find but the majority of women find this—abhorrent.- this absolutely abhorrent. i lon-l— this absolutely abhorrent. i don't understand why it's going on. don't understand why it's going on—l- don't understand why it's going on—l nnelnl on. well, definitely. i mean, women, have women, yourself included, have fought if not fought for decades, if not centuries , for equal rights, for centuries, for equal rights, for female only, spaces for the vote, you name it. all of that is being undone because of this crazy woke movement that many on the left also hate. by the way, it's the left also hate. by the way, l-e not— the left also hate. by the way, it's not exclusive— the left also hate. by the way, it's not exclusive to— by the way, it's not exclusive to lefties. ne— it's not exclusive to lefties. ll-e leec— it's not exclusive to lefties. we just two— it's not exclusive to lefties. it's just this new— it's not exclusive to lefties. it's just this new sort- it's not exclusive to lefties. it's just this new sort of- it's just this new sort of rather extreme progressive ideology, which basically denies reality and just says that a man is a woman, a woman is a man, and that is somehow a fact. do you know what i was do you know what i was reading this lnlnl— you know what i was reading this lnlnl onl— you know what i was reading this lnlnl lnl wnol— you know what i was reading this thing and what it— you know what i was reading this thing and what it is, is your

lnln—lnoll brain struggles to do that thing leconee— brain struggles to do that thing leconee l-e— brain struggles to do that thing because it's like— brain struggles to do that thing because it's like that game that you-0n— because it's like that game that you-on nintendo- because it's like that game that you on nintendo where you you play on nintendo where you see—a horse, but- see a picture of a horse, but yet— see a picture of a horse, but yet-say- see a picture of a horse, but yet-say col - see a picture of a horse, but yet-say cat. yeah.j see a picture of a horse, but- yet-say cat. yeah. and yet the words say cat. yeah. and your— yet the words say cat. yeah. and wow-lone— yet the words say cat. yeah. and your-doing-mentall your brain is doing this mental ownnlence— your brain is doing this mental ownnoence lo— your brain is doing this mental lwnnoence lo ny— your brain is doing this mental gymnastics to try and disassociate- gymnastics to try and disassociate from you know disassociate from what you know is disassociate from what you know le—anl— disassociate from what you know le—anlllnlnl- disassociate from what you know isil-andlthink- disassociate from what you know is i think and think disassociate from what you know is i think it's and think disassociate from what you know is i think it's apparentink disassociate from what you know is i think it's apparent and it's i think it's apparent and m — it's i think it's apparent and m -olonl- it's i think it's apparent and i'm -along with. it's i think it's apparent and i'm along with it, i'm not going along with it, frankly.— i'm not going along with it, frankly. - know - i'm not going along with it, frankly. know there's i'm not going along with it, fraiof y. know there's i'm not going along with it, fraiof other know there's i'm not going along with it, fraiof other people there's i'm not going along with it, fraiof other people thate's i'm not going along with it, fraiof other people that will lot of other people that will join— lot of other people that will join me— lot of other people that will join me..anyway,- lot of other people that will join me. anyway, this guy join me. so anyway, this guy enonll— join me. so anyway, this guy should -joining- join me. so anyway, this guy should joining the should not be joining the women-— should not be joining the women's 5 women's institute because he's a nno-s— women's institute because he's a nno-s wnol— women's institute because he's a man. -so what-you- women's institute because he's a man. so what you make man. right. so what do you make of nonlnlc— man. right. so what do you make of nonlnlc-l— man. right. so what do you make of dominic-i mean,- of dominic raab? i mean, this was such stitch wasn't it? was such a stitch up, wasn't it? come on. well, it certainly wouldn't stand up in a court of law because as you mentioned, these are within these allegations are not within these allegations are not within the limitation. so the statute of limitation. so normally, if there was a c 22“ so normally, if there was a problem in normally, if there was a problem n we— normally, if there was a problem in the workplace,— normally, if there was a problem in the workplace, would in the workplace, us echr would nove— in the workplace, us echr would noweon-— in the workplace, us echr would noveo-n emoll- in the workplace, us echr would have an email within have to have an email within lnnee— have to have an email within three—ideally- have to have an email within. three—ideally straight three months or ideally straight owov. — three months or ideally straight owov. lol— three months or ideally straight owov. nol eoe— three months or ideally straight away. but some of— three months or ideally straight away. but some of these allegations— away. but some of these allegations ins are up to four veone— allegations ins are up to four veone oll. — allegations ins are up to four years old. raab— allegations ins are up to four years old. t 2 2“ c 222.2 years old. raab didn't receive any dates or times and actually he is a top lawyer , so his he is a top lawyer, so his letter of resignation was quite scathing about the process by which he's lost his job. now the flip side is that politically i don't think it was possible for rishi. rishi. rishi to keep him

in rishi. rishi. rishi to keep him ln ooel — rishi. rishi. rishi to keep him ln poel no.— rishi. rishi. rishi to keep him in post. no. and— rishi. rishi. rishi to keep him in post. no. and the- 35“ rishi. rishi to keep him in post. \2 t5“ rishi. rishi to keep him in post. \2» in post. no. and the reason why is because in the end, it would be a gift to labour, which is that you've got an official certified bully in your cabinet and it will be the gift that keeps on giving for labour. no, i don't believe so. i think- , no, i don't believe so. i think keir slonnen— i don't believe so. i think keir slonnen le— i don't believe so. i think keir starmer is the— i don't believe so. i think keir starmer is the gift that keeps on—onl- starmer is the gift that keeps on—onl l-el on giving for labour and it's not— on giving for labour and it's not-good— on giving for labour and it's not-goodway- - on giving for labour and it's not good way. 22 on giving for labour and it's- not-good way. there is one not in a good way. there is one point though, and point as well though, and i think you could argue that perhaps has been rather perhaps sunak has been rather cowardly about this, he's cowardly about this, that he's bottled think so. andrea bottled it. i think so. andrea jenkins, tory jenkins, prominent tory backbencher or a respected figure within the conservative party, said she's disappointed that gone thinks that he's gone and thinks the prime should have stood prime minister should have stood up for him. many of our viewers and know, you and listeners, as you know, you can the email are can see it on the email are furious that he's gone because they see this as the civil service flexing their muscles, not the will of the not serving the will of the british people because, of course, raab is very pro brexit. he wants to stop the boats. he wants support braverman to wants to support braverman to legally do that, possibly ditching european convention ditching the european convention on human rights. many see it on human rights. so many see it as politically motivated. but the ability, the ruthless sps of

sunak to actually accept raab's resignation , i think proves that resignation, i think proves that he's a good prime minister. i'll tell you why. if boris lonneon— i'll tell you why. if boris johnson had— i'll tell you why. if boris johnson had been better at eocllnl— johnson had been better at eocllno people— johnson had been better at sacking people whilst he was pm, nel— sacking people whilst he was pm, ne-l-le— sacking people whilst he was pm, ne-l-le lnene. — sacking people whilst he was pm, he'd-be there. but- sacking people whilst he was pm, he'd be there. but that's he'd still be there. but that's not— he'd still be there. but that's not-ne— he'd still be there. but that's not- he didn't- he'd still be there. but that's not he didn't sack not the point. he didn't sack non— not the point. he didn't sack non-,— not the point. he didn't sack non-lllln-l- matt hancock, he didn't sack nonlnlc— matt hancock, he didn't sack dominic cummings. but you only now— dominic cummings. but you only sack people go. and sack people that should go. and if you allow people who should still these still be there for these pathetic failings, he pathetic little failings, he shouted me . or there's pathetic little failings, he shouted me. or there's one shouted at me. or there's one wnene— shouted at me. or there's one wnene lnev— shouted at me. or there's one where they said,— shouted at me. or there's one where they said, well,- 2 or there's one where they said, well, what noppenel— where they said, well, what. happened _thanked happened was that he thanked everybody— happened was that he thanked everybody lol— happened was that he thanked everybody, but he didn't thank lnle—lv— everybody, but he didn't thank lnle—lv none- everybody, but he didn't thank this—by name . l everybody, but he didn't thanki this—by name . so everybody, but he didn't thank- this_by name . so they this one person by name. so they connlolnel— this one person by name. so they connlolnel. l— this one person by name. so they complained. i mean, this this if the is set so low, i agree the bar is set so low, i agree if someone's done something wrong. but when the bar is set we— wrong. but when the bar is set we low,— wrong. but when the bar is set we low, lnen— wrong. but when the bar is set this low, then it— 3 but when the bar is set this low, then it cannot be. ano— this low, then it cannot be. no wnol— this low, then it cannot be. no wnoc lo— this low, then it cannot be. and what do you— this low, then it cannot be. and what do you make- this low, then it cannot be. and what do you make then of the instinctual rebellion? i mean, it's that woman instinctual rebellion? i mean, it's she that woman instinctual rebellion? i mean, it's she on that woman instinctual rebellion? i mean, it's she on jacobvoman instinctual rebellion? i mean, it's she on jacob rees—mogg when she was on jacob rees—mogg show, he asked show, she was like he asked a question. she didn't want to answer anything. _ question. she didn't want to answer anything. -it- question. she didn't want to. answer anything. -it-all answer anything. and it was all onl— answer anything. and it was all onl lnen— answer anything. and it was all and then we're— answer anything. and it was all and then we're going to die. ano— and then we're going to die. no le— and then we're going to die. no we going— and then we're going to die. and it's going to— and then we're going to die. and it's going to be- and then we're going to die. and it's going to be really awful. she did? yeah. awful. that's all she did? yeah. most characters most of these characters are pnvlleoel. — most of these characters are privileged. middle privileged. they're middle cloee— privileged. they're middle class, they're _ privileged. they're middle class, they're entitled, they're on a permanent— class, they're entitled, they're on a permanent what on a permanent gap year. what new—gel- on a permanent gap year. what lnev—lel o- on a permanent gap year. what lnev—lel o job. on a permanent gap year. whati lnev—lel o j'0b onl they need to do is get a job and

get they need to do is get a job and gel o— they need to do is get a job and gel o-anl— they need to do is get a job and gel o-anl l-e— they need to do is get a job and gel o-anl l-e o— they need to do is get a job and get a and it's a shocking get a life. and it's a shocking mne— get a life. and it's a shocking thingv-seeing- thing, especially seeing the econo— thing, especially seeing the enonl—ln thing, especially seeing the- cnonl—ln lne grand national impacted in the way— grand national impacted in the wowov-e— grand national impacted in the wowov-e wnlcn- grand national impacted in the way was, which, the way that it was, which, by the way,— way that it was, which, by the way-bad — way that it was, which, by the way-bad lon- way that it was, which, by the way, - bad for the - way, was very bad for the noeee — way, was very bad for the horses. - know- way, was very bad for the horses. know that way, was very bad for the- horses. -know that wasn't horses. and i know that wasn't lvlncnon— horses. and i know that wasn't extinction -that- extinction rebellion, that was onlnole— extinction rebellion, that was| onlnole—oll animals rising. but they're all in animals rising. but they're all ln-eon— animals rising. but they're all ln-eon of- animals rising. but they're all in -sort of venn - in the same sort of venn lloonon. — in the same sort of venn diagram. -do- in the same sort of venn diagram. 22» in the same sort of venn- diagram. -do you mean? diagram. what do you mean? the fighting horses fighting was bad for the horses or grand national? well the or the grand national? well the disruption was it was been well reported. the disruption the reported. the disruption to the race was distressing— 222 the disruption to the race was distressing for the noeee — race was distressing for the horses. also,— race was distressing for the horses. also, the- race was distressing for the horses. race was distressing for the- horses. also, the snooker . now, horses. also, the snooker. now, this is a working class sport right ? millions of people in right? millions of people in this country love to enjoy what is of course, an annual event, the world championships disrupted again by by just a very privileged person with luxury beliefs that we're all supposed to pay it's supposed to pay for. it's complete nonsense. got an complete nonsense. i've got an idea just all idea for the just for all people, is head to china. people, which is head to china. faux pas to india, right north korea, america, brazil. go to the big polluting countries. start there and then come back to us when we are in the doghouse at the moment responsible for 1% of global carbon emissions . well, no, carbon emissions. well, no, they'd carbon emissions. well, no, lnev-l le— carbon emissions. well, no, lnev-l le ln— carbon emissions. well, no, they'd be in jail.— carbon emissions. well, no, they'd be in jail. they- 2“ well, no, they'd be in jail. they wouldn't be olle— they'd be in jail. they wouldn't be olle lo— they'd be in jail. they wouldn't be able to come— they'd be in jail. they wouldn't be able to come back. 02 they'd be in jail. they wouldn't be able to come back. o2 be able to come back. or worse coll.— be able to come back. or worse elll even— be able to come back. or worse still, every cloud. well, that's

a good point there, actually. but, they wouldn't but, you know, they wouldn't do that, they? because that, would they? because they're they're _ 2 c“2;»?’ because they're they're afraid. “2; 22 they're they're afraid. they're only— they're they're afraid. they're only long— they're they're afraid. they're only doing because they only doing this because they can. soft touch. can. and we're a soft touch. we are? we what about are? yeah we are. what about prince though? his he's prince andrew, though? his he's a a soft as so a he's a soft touch as well. so i've heard his, his little i've heard well his, his little things going during things can be going up during the probably the coronation which probably the coronation which probably the for actually the best place for it actually because will watch it. because no one will watch it. yeah it. i mean this guy yeah that's it. i mean this guy brought and embarrassment brought shame and embarrassment on whilst the queen on the family whilst the queen was still with us. it's a problem. a hard- cc it's a problem. a hard nut was still with us. it's a- problem. a hard nut-crack problem. a hard nut to crack lon— problem. a hard nut to crack for-ifor— problem. a hard nut to crack follow cle— problem. a hard nut to crack for.ifor the king.- problem. a hard nut to crack for.ifor the king. how- problem. a hard nut to crack- for.ifor the king. how-handle problem. a hard nut to crack- for. errant he king. how-handle problem. a hard nut to crack- for. errant younger how-handle problem. a hard nut to crack for. errant younger brother. handle problem. a hard nut to crack for. errant younger brother. butile his errant younger brother. but the bottom line is that he's got to essentially step away from the spotlight, give up any idea or dream that he's going to be a top royal, a frontline royal ever again, and have the world's longest retirement. he's never going to give up. never, never. unless he remarries sarah ferguson. no that'd be a great fairy tale, wouldn't it? i don't think i like fairy tale, wouldn't it? i don't think i like that.— fairy tale, wouldn't it? i don't think i like that. if— fairy tale, wouldn't it? i don't think i like that. if you- 2; 2“ c c?’ idon't think i like that. if you think of ne— think i like that. if you think of lne lovole— think i like that. if you think of the royals is— think i like that. if you think of the royals is like a soap oeno — of the royals is like a soap oepo lnoc— of the royals is like a soap opera. that would- of the royals is like a soap opera. of the royals is like a soap- opera. that would be the perfect little twist, wouldn't it? that'd be pretty. and then a big old wedding in the abbey.

another one? no. and he comes back the fold. all is back into the fold. all is forgiven. and meghan's not coming the coronation, which coming to the coronation, which i think is a i didn't want. i didn't well didn't want her to come. well i don't know. i think it's another enun— don't know. i think it's another enol, lo— don't know. i think it's another enol, lo le— don't know. i think it's another snub, to be honest.— 22»“ c i think it's another snub, to be honest. she's snub, to be honest. so she's leen— snub, to be honest. so she's leen noollnl— snub, to be honest. so she's been hauling king been hauling poor old king cnonlee— been hauling poor old kingl charles—about charles over the coals about olool— charles over the coals about about-alleged- charles over the coals about about-alleged . - charles over the coals about about alleged . “2 charles over the coals about- about-alleged . the thing is about the alleged. the thing is cloc— about the alleged. the thing is that she's backed from this that she's backed away from this allegation first it allegation because at first it was it? but now was racism, wasn't it? but now she's was racism, wasn't it? but now ene-e eovlnl— was racism, wasn't it? but now she's saying unconscious- 52 c c?’ but now she's saying unconscious bias. lllnl — she's saying unconscious bias. lllnl -cleonlv- she's saying unconscious bias. right. clearly thinking right. so she's clearly thinking lnol— right. so she's clearly thinking lnol nev— right. so she's clearly thinking that her original— right. so she's clearly thinking that her original assertion on we— that her original assertion on lne oprah— that her original assertion on the oprah show— that her original assertion on the oprah show was potentially lllellooe— the oprah show was potentially lllellooe on— the oprah show was potentially libellous, an exaggeration or onnoee— libellous, an exaggeration or untrue? well,— libellous, an exaggeration or untrue? well, it— libellous, an exaggeration or untrue? well, it didn't work, oll— untrue? well, it didn't work, lll l— untrue? well, it didn't work, lll l e— untrue? well, it didn't work, lll l e ano— untrue? well, it didn't work, did it? and it— untrue? well, it didn't work, did it? and it didn't have the leelel— did it? and it didn't have the desired effect.— did it? and it didn't have the desired effect. so now it's just unconscious bias.— desired effect. so now it's just unconscious bias. and she's not noo— unconscious bias. and she's not nol o— unconscious bias. and she's not had a satisfactory— unconscious bias. and she's not had a satisfactory explanation non— had a satisfactory explanation non-wnlcn- had a satisfactory explanation from-which is- had a satisfactory explanation from which is why from the king, which is why ene-e— from the king, which is why elee-- from the king, which is why ene-e- what- from the king, which is why she's_. what a. from the king, which is why- she's_. what a diva. she's not coming. what a diva. wnol— she's not coming. what a diva. wnol o— she's not coming. what a diva. wnol o lnono— she's not coming. what a diva. what a drama queen. she's not conno— what a drama queen. she's not coming because— what a drama queen. she's not coming because she's she'll get looel. — coming because she's she'll get looel. snee— coming because she's she'll get booed. she's not— coming because she's she'll get booed. 222“ “2 2 booed. she's not coming because it's embarrassing because of all the lies that they've told. she's frankly not coming because, well , who would after because, well, who would after all that? i mean , how could she all that? i mean, how could she even show her face? yeah i mean, i think that, like all bullies, she's a coward. of course . and i she's a coward. of course. and i

think she's bottled it. and i think she's bottled it. and i think she's bottled it. and i think she did fly to the think that if she did fly to the uk and came to the coronation and got booed but held and if she got booed but held her high, i think the her head high, i think the british public respect british public would respect that. wait that. and i think, wait a minute, honour. she's taken minute, good honour. she's taken the of course she the hit. but of course she couldn't face it. her ego is too big. well, no, that's it. but camilla is very good. camilla took hit after she with took the hit after she got with prince. right. that's prince. exactly right. that's the do it. but prince. exactly right. that's the-do it. but but. prince. exactly right. that's. the-do it. but but then the way to do it. but but then ene—on- the way to do it. but but then ene—on forl she didn't make this up for level— she didn't make this up for herself-manner- she didn't make this up for herself manner like herself in this manner like neonon. — herself in this manner like neonon. lon- herself in this manner like meghan. oh, well, not meghan. so oh, well, i'm not een— meghan. so oh, well, i'm not self inflicted.— meghan. so oh, well, i'm not self inflicted-i'm- self inflicted. well, i'm glad ene-e— self inflicted. well, i'm glad ene-e-conlno— self inflicted. well, i'm gladi she's-coming - but she's not coming anyway, but i woeoe-l— she's not coming anyway, but i woeoe-l voo- she's not coming anyway, but i was ask you what's was going to ask you what's conno— was going to ask you what's conlno on— was going to ask you what's conlno no n— was going to ask you what's coming up in your show, but vol-ve— coming up in your show, but voo-ve olneolv— coming up in your show, but you've already said so you've already said it, so i'm olvlno— you've already said it, so i'm olvlno-wnole- you've already said it, so i'm giving whole show. giving you the whole show. i con-c—won-c- giving you the whole show. i can't—won't be. can't wait. but it won't be nearly as good as this one. mark steyn. what time are you one— mark steyn. what time are you one-non — mark steyn. what time are you one-non 9- mark steyn. what time are you on?-from 9 to- mark steyn. what time are you on?-from 9 to 11.- on? we're on from 9 to 11. lovely.— on? we're on from 9 to 11. lovelv.—nol. l on? we're on from 9 to 11.- lovely._bob. thanks, lovely. thank you, bob. thanks, none— lovely. thank you, bob. thanks, none-nonl— lovely. thank you, bob. thanks, nana. -right, well,- lovely. thank you, bob. thanks, nana. right, well, that nana. see you right, well, that was:— nana. see you right, well, that woe-lne— nana. see you right, well, that was,-the fabulous. was, of course, the fabulous nonl— was, of course, the fabulous. mark—join mark dolan make sure you join nln— mark dolan make sure you join nln ol— mark dolan make sure you join nln o 9.00— mark dolan make sure you join him at 9:00 here— mark dolan make sure you join him at 9:00 here on gb news. now:— him at 9:00 here on gb news. owwe-— him at 9:00 here on gb news.i wow-we-olool now, of course, we talked about cnonnel— now, of course, we talked about channel-program,- now, of course, we talked about channel program, channel channel four's program, channel 4. channel four's program, channel en. lon— channel four's program, channel en. lon lou— channel four's program, channel 4. ian katz said— channel four's program, channel 4. ian katz said this in 4. ian katz said that this in neenonee-l- 4. ian katz said that this in response 4 exists response channel 4 exists to nnovlle— provide viewers with an alternative. _ provide viewers with an alternative. the nation alternative. so as the nation is cnonnel— alternative. so as the nation is engulfed circumstance alternative. so as the nation is eng|forelock circumstance alternative. so as the nation is eng|forelock tugging,'cumstance alternative. so as the nation is eng|forelock tugging, we'lltance alternative. so as the nation is eng|forelock tugging, we'll be :e and forelock tugging, we'll be onenno— and forelock tugging, we'll be onenno o— and forelock tugging, we'll be offering a rather— and forelock tugging, we'll be offering a rather less reverential- offering a rather less reverential slate of programs,

lnclollnl— reverential slate of programs, including frankie boyle's case ololnel— including frankie boyle's case ooolnel lne— including frankie boyle's case against the monarchy and the vvlnleone— against the monarchy and the windsors skow_ against the monarchy and the windsors skow scarborough's eonncol— windsors skow scarborough's satirical take— windsors skow scarborough's satirical take on— windsors skow scarborough's satirical take on the coronation well— satirical take on the coronation well not— satirical take on the coronation well, that sounds— satirical take on the coronation well, that sounds very enticing. i'm well, that sounds very enticing. l-n sorry— well, that sounds very enticing. l-n eonw l— well, that sounds very enticing. i'm sorry, i could— well, that sounds very enticing. i'm sorry, i could barely read it. i'm sorry, i could barely read l. l— i'm sorry, i could barely read l. l lon-l— i'm sorry, i could barely read it. i don't know— i'm sorry, i could barely read it. i don't know what it's olool — it. i don't know what it's about. you're— it. i don't know what it's about. you're with me. i'm nana allo— about. you're with me. i'm nana aloo. lnle— about. you're with me. i'm nana aloo. lnle le— about. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb— about. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv, onllne— akua. this is gb news on tv, onllne onl— akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on— akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. conno— online and on digital radio. coming on— online and on digital radio. coming up, director of canal 26 lewle— coming up, director of canal 26 lewis meteorologist lewis perry, meteorologist jim dole—clo- lewis perry, meteorologist jim dole—clo ol- lewis perry, meteorologist jim dale ceo of energy dale and former ceo of energy uk,— dale and former ceo of energy on angelo— dale and former ceo of energy uk, angela knight will join me to llecoee— uk, angela knight will join me to discuss electric— uk, angela knight will join me to discuss electric cars and how the to discuss electric cars and how lne lnleneel— to discuss electric cars and how the interest in— to discuss electric cars and how the interest in them has slumped as the interest in them has slumped oe-nncee— the interest in them has slumped oe-nncee eweo- the interest in them has slumped as prices surge. then as electric prices surge. then at as electric prices surge. then ol-l-ll— as electric prices surge. then ol-l-ll le— as electric prices surge. then at i'll be speaking to the at 335, i'll be speaking to the nolel— at 335, i'll be speaking to the naked scientist— at 335, i'll be speaking to the naked scientist himself, chris smel— naked scientist himself, chris smith-scientists. naked scientist himself, chris smith. scientists have smith. american scientists have ooponenllv— smith. american scientists have ooponenllv-even- smith. american scientists have apparently even closer apparently entered even closer to apparently entered even closer lo-o— apparently entered even closer to-a universal- apparently entered even closer to-a universal flu- to finding a universal flu vaccine-this- to finding a universal flu vaccine. this way it could vaccine. so this way it could we— vaccine. so this way it could loellveone. — vaccine. so this way it could last-years. -tuned. vaccine. so this way it could last years. tuned to last for years. stay tuned to two— last for years. stay tuned to no ow— last for years. stay tuned to find out more— last for years. stay tuned to find out more ._

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kwasi i wonder how long they would actually last . and then would actually last. and then judnh would actually last. and then wlnn eove— would actually last. and then wlnn eove n— would actually last. and then judith says if the— 2 2 and then judith says if the allegations mole— judith says if the allegations made against— judith says if the allegations made against dominic raab are cloeeel— made against dominic raab are cloeeel oe— made against dominic raab are classed as bullying, then heaven neln— classed as bullying, then heaven nelp onw— classed as bullying, then heaven nelp onv nonoeno— classed as bullying, then heaven help any manager who has shouted or help any manager who has shouted on ol onw— help any manager who has shouted or swore at any employee over we— or swore at any employee over we vee — or swore at any employee over we vee n— or swore at any employee over the years. if an— or swore at any employee over the years. if an employee now lecllee— the years. if an employee now lecllee-lnev— the years. if an employee now decides -they are - the years. if an employee now decides they are bullied . decides that they are bullied. veon— decides that they are bullied. veon inoe, — decides that they are bullied. yeah, -true, -it?- decides that they are bullied. yeah,-true,-it? if- yeah, it's true, isn't it? if you— yeah, it's true, isn't it? if you-90— yeah, it's true, isn't it? if vol-lo lock- yeah, it's true, isn't it? if you go back two and a half, you can go back two and a half, low— you can go back two and a half, low vee— you can go back two and a half, low vee l-ll— you can go back two and a half, four years, i'll see— you can go back two and a half, four years, i'll see if anyone's woeel— four years, i'll see if anyone's upsetlme-_ four years, i'll see if anyone's upset me. jacqueline says upset at me. and jacqueline says i a upset at me. and jacqueline says l-o lool— upset at me. and jacqueline says l-o lool lon— upset at me. and jacqueline says i-a raab fan, but- upset at me. and jacqueline says i-a raab fan, but as- i am not a raab fan, but as clvll— i am not a raab fan, but as civil service's— i am not a raab fan, but as civil service's left wing out of control— civil service's left wing out of control dangerous, control and dangerous, unpatriotic_ control and dangerous, unpatriotic ,- control and dangerous, unpatriotic , i- control and dangerous, unpatriotic , i hope in raab unpatriotic, i hope in raab lnev-ve— unpatriotic, i hope in raab they've picked— unpatriotic, i hope in raab they've picked the wrong person and they've picked the wrong person onl llnen— they've picked the wrong person and bitten off— they've picked the wrong person and bitten off more than they nove— and bitten off more than they have bargained— and bitten off more than they have bargained for. yeah, let's none— have bargained for. yeah, let's none-voo— have bargained for. yeah, let's none-vol lnlnl- have bargained for. yeah, let's hope you think rishi hope so. but you think rishi wooll— hope so. but you think rishi wooll-eon- hope so. but you think rishi would-sortltakel hope so. but you think rishi would sort take off would like no sort of take off his would like no sort of take off we ecolo— would like no sort of take off his prada shoes— would like no sort of take off his prada shoes and sort get

his prada shoes and sort of get lenlnl— his prada shoes and sort of get lenlnl-lw— his prada shoes and sort of get behind-but no— his prada shoes and sort of get behind-but no ,- his prada shoes and sort of get behind but no , but right behind him, but no, but right now-one— behind him, but no, but right now-time for— behind him, but no, but right now time for climate now it's time for climate control— now it's time for climate control discussing latest on control discussing the latest on cllnole— control discussing the latest on climate-according- control discussing the latest on climate according to climate change. according to onloln-e— climate change. according to britain's biggest car online marketplace, _ britain's biggest car online marketplace, auto trader, people-e— marketplace, auto trader, people's interest in electric noe— people's interest in electric cars has significantly dropped lee— cars has significantly dropped one o— cars has significantly dropped one to we— cars has significantly dropped due to the cost— cars has significantly dropped due to the cost of living crisis onl— due to the cost of living crisis onl nelnl— due to the cost of living crisis and rising electricity costs. wow— and rising electricity costs. now we— and rising electricity costs. now the government has also enlel— now the government has also enlel wowe— now the government has also ended grants for— now the government has also ended grants for those types of venlclee— ended grants for those types of vehicles, meaning— ended grants for those types of vehicles, meaning the cost effectiveness— vehicles, meaning the cost effectiveness mile has effectiveness per mile has lecneoeel— effectiveness per mile has decreased and— effectiveness per mile has decreased and that's, as figures elow— decreased and that's, as figures enow, wol— decreased and that's, as figures show, that battery— decreased and that's, as figures show, that battery powered venlclee— show, that battery powered vehicles expensive show, that battery powered- vehicles-expensive than vehicles are more expensive than nenol— vehicles are more expensive than penolllleeel — vehicles are more expensive than petrol-diesel. at— vehicles are more expensive than petrol diesel. at around petrol or diesel. at around olow— petrol or diesel. at around wow-so— petrol or diesel. at around about-so will- petrol or diesel. at around about so will the public about 37. so will the public mole— about 37. so will the public woke me— about 37. so will the public make the switch— about 37. so will the public make the switch to electric cars or make the switch to electric cars on—o- make the switch to electric carsi o—o nlllnl or is the government on a hiding to or is the government on a hiding lo nolnlnl— or is the government on a hiding lo nolnlnl e— or is the government on a hiding lo nolnlnl e l— or is the government on a hiding to nothing ? i would have thought to nothing? i would have thought lnw-e— to nothing? i would have thought that's-obvious.— to nothing? i would have thought that's-obvious. but- that's quite obvious. but joining— that's quite obvious. but- joining—perry joining me now is lois perry, lleclon— joining me now is lois perry, director-car— joining me now is lois perry, director-car 26,- joining me now is lois perry, director car 26, dale , director of car 26, jim dale, meteorologist— director of car 26, jim dale, meteorologist and angela knight , clo— meteorologist and angela knight , ceo of— meteorologist and angela knight , ceo of energy— meteorologist and angela knight , ceo of energy uk . right. so , ceo of energy uk. right. so l-n — , ceo of energy uk. right. so l-n going— , ceo of energy uk. right. so l-n going lo— , ceo of energy uk. right. so i'm going to start— , ceo of energy uk. right. so i'm going to start with you, lole— i'm going to start with you, lois. actually— i'm going to start with you, lois. actually with regard to we— lois. actually with regard to we oll— lois. actually with regard to the old electric— lois. actually with regard to the old electric car. now, look, we've been told— the old electric car. now, look, we've been told that the elecnlc— we've been told that the electric cars _ we've been told that the electric cars are good idea . electric cars are good idea. wnol-e— electric cars are good idea. we vow— electric cars are good idea. what's your view of them? well it what's your view of them? well l eeene— what's your view of them? well l wol— what's your view of them? well it seems that all— what's your view of them? well it seems that all the virtue elonollene— it seems that all the virtue signallers or— it seems that all the virtue signallers or all- it seems that all the virtue signallers or all of the wokes, all signallers or all of the wokes, oll ol— signallers or all of the wokes, oll of we— signallers or all of the wokes, all of the people— signallers or all of the wokes, all of the people who are lononole — all of the people who are fortunate enough to be able to wow— fortunate enough to be able to woo lo— fortunate enough to be able to

afford to have— fortunate enough to be able to afford to have an— fortunate enough to be able to afford to have an electric car for town— afford to have an electric car for town onl— afford to have an electric car for town and a— afford to have an electric car for town and a petrol car for we— for town and a petrol car for we coonnv— for town and a petrol car for we coonwv .— for town and a petrol car for we coonwv . l— for town and a petrol car for the country . i was actually told the country. i was actually told wol— the country. i was actually told not by— the country. i was actually told not by o— the country. i was actually told that by a senior— the country. i was actually told that by a senior adviser to alok snwno— that by a senior adviser to alok sharma recently— that by a senior adviser to alok sharma recently in— that by a senior adviser to alok sharma recently in parliament. oh sharma recently in parliament. on won-l— sharma recently in parliament. on won-l voo— sharma recently in parliament. oh won't you just— sharma recently in parliament. oh won't you just have a car, elecnlc— oh won't you just have a car, elecnlc co— oh won't you just have a car, electric car for— oh won't you just have a car, electric car for town and a petrol— electric car for town and a oenol co— electric car for town and a petrol car for— electric car for town and a petrol car for the countryside ? petrol car for the countryside? lneee— petrol car for the countryside? lneee oe— petrol car for the countryside? these are the— petrol car for the countryside? these are the people actually making— these are the people actually nollnl lne— these are the people actually making the decisions. all the low— making the decisions. all the low nonolno— making the decisions. all the low hanging fruit has gone, all of we— low hanging fruit has gone, all of we wolee— low hanging fruit has gone, all of the wokes they've all bought the of the wokes they've all bought lne ce— of the wokes they've all bought lne onl — of the wokes they've all bought the cars and everybody else. we— the cars and everybody else. n-e-neol— the cars and everybody else. it's-real world. - the cars and everybody else. it's-real world. it- the cars and everybody else. it's real world. it doesn't it's the real world. it doesn't mole— it's the real world. it doesn't nole onw— it's the real world. it doesn't make any sense— it's the real world. it doesn't make any sense financially wvne n-e— make any sense financially anymore. it's completely ridiculous— anymore. it's completely ridiculous ._ anymore. it's completely ridiculous . the reset. well, ridiculous. the reset. well, were-e— ridiculous. the reset. well, lnene-e no— ridiculous. the reset. well, there's no resale value because were-e— there's no resale value because lnene-e no— there's no resale value because lnene-e no wov— there's no resale value because lnene-e no wov ol— there's no resale value because there's no way of telling how well— there's no way of telling how well we — there's no way of telling how well the battery— there's no way of telling how well the battery is doing. you know,— well the battery is doing. you know, we— well the battery is doing. you know, it's people— well the battery is doing. you know, it's people have woken up. i'm know, it's people have woken up. l-n really— know, it's people have woken up. i'm really, really— know, it's people have woken up. i'm really, really happy about we— i'm really, really happy about me elon— i'm really, really happy about me elonv ,— i'm really, really happy about this story , actually. well, you this story, actually. well, you know,— this story, actually. well, you know, angelo — this story, actually. well, you know, angela knight , are we this story, actually. well, you know, angela knight, are we is we— know, angela knight, are we is me we— know, angela knight, are we is me we nonl— know, angela knight, are we is this the right thing to be doing 7 this the right thing to be doing e-cwee— this the right thing to be doing ?-cars?-there'sl ? electric cars? surely there's benev— ? electric cars? surely there's better alternatives. there seems to be — better alternatives. there seems to be they— better alternatives. there seems to be. they don't— better alternatives. there seems to be. they don't seem to last wol— to be. they don't seem to last not long.— to be. they don't seem to last no long. ano— to be. they don't seem to last that long. and there seems to be leeoee-lnene— that long. and there seems to be issues-there are- issues as well. there are issues. there- issues as well. there are issues. issues as well. there are- issues. there always have been issues. there always have been issues.i issues. there always have been issues. i mean, whether you start off with lithium for the batteries where the only refiners are in some pretty nasty parts of the world through

to the actual running costs, which have always been rather more expensive than implied. and i certainly i had some friends who who went to the alps . to ski who who went to the alps. to ski with two small children in an electric car in february, half term , well, it took them more or term, well, it took them more or less, for they had to plug themselves in about four times. and it took them several hours longer than their other friends who drove in an ordinary car. but having said all that and having said that, the economics at the moment are wrong. there's quite a lot of proper work being undertaken by the car industry, both to get different types of batteries to look at things like hydrogen and cells in order that we can have something that is a competitive set , possible competitive set, possible alternative to petrol and diesel

cars. and i'm all up for that. what i don't like is the artificiality of the debate and i don't like the artificiality of some of the outcome . but that of some of the outcome. but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be doing the research. that doesn't mean that there won't be some sensible alternative cars. and that's where i think the work needs to be, needs to go down. yes, good afternoon . first down. yes, good afternoon. first of oll— down. yes, good afternoon. first of oll nonl— 2 yes, good afternoon. first of all, nana, congratulations on vow— of all, nana, congratulations on vow ne— of all, nana, congratulations on vow colwnn— of all, nana, congratulations on your new column in the daily moll— your new column in the daily llol .— your new column in the daily llol . lnonl— your new column in the daily mail . thank you.— your new column in the daily mail. thank you. i hear. thank vol.— mail. thank you. i hear. thank vol. l— mail. thank you. i hear. thank vol. l nope— mail. thank you. i hear. thank vol. l nope voo— mail. thank you. i hear. thank you. i hope you write it one day if you if you wish. look, on this particular— if you if you wish. look, on this particular thing,- look, on this particular thing, lois flintstone— this particular thing, lois flintstone over there. um. lole— flintstone over there. um. lole. wnole— flintstone over there. um. lois. what? sorry— flintstone over there. um. lois. what? sorry - flintstone over there. lois. what? sorry 2 lois. what? sorry i'm afraid. lec— lois. what? sorry i'm afraid. let me make this absolutely clear. there's only one direction of travel. yes. technology got us here in terms of electric car technology will improve time . of electric car technology will improve time. um, and it improve with time. um, and it all in any in any new revolution. any new evolution that we have through the ages. there's always been little nlccone— there's always been little nlccwe ol— there's always been little hiccups at the— there's always been little hiccups at the start with cost onl— hiccups at the start with cost onl oll— hiccups at the start with cost onl oll lne— hiccups at the start with cost and all the rest— hiccups at the start with cost and all the rest of it that goes

wln— and all the rest of it that goes wln l. — and all the rest of it that goes with it. this— and all the rest of it that goes with it. this is— and all the rest of it that goes with it. this is what- and all the rest of it that goes with it. ’“ 22; with it. this is what we're, this is what we're enduring at this is what we're enduring at this moment in time. it isn't wrong. look, this moment in time. it isn't wrong.-look, let's- this moment in time. it isn't wrong. -look, let's make. wrong. but look, let's make eonelnlnl— wrong. but look, let's make eonelnlno- - wrong. but look, let's make something- 30,- wrong. but look, let's make something 250 150515 wrong. but look, let's make something 30 250325» wrong. but look, let's make- something- 30, 30% of cars something clear. 30, 30% of cars eoll— something clear. 30, 30% of cars sold in december in the uk were of electric origin. so there's only one way, you know, it's not a straight line graph. and the cost of living crisis comes into this in terms of expenditure and being to afford these being able to afford these things. but let's make it absolutely clear in ten years there'll be absolutely no room for cars or diesel cars . for petrol cars or diesel cars. certainly totally disagree- certainly totally disagree with you,— certainly totally disagree with vow jim- — certainly totally disagree with vow on a— certainly totally disagree with you, jim. a minor- certainly totally disagree with you, jim. ' well you you, jim. aminor. well you wooll— you, jim. aminor. well you would that's,— you, jim. a minor. well you would that's, that's- you, jim. ' well you would that's, that's that's, wot-e— would that's, that's that's, that's where _ would that's, that's that's, that's where the. �*vv»�*“5c would that's, that's that's,- that's where the. what about the whole diesel revolution, lois? it's people like yourself, lois. who. who would have looked at in the who. who would have looked at in we stone— who. who would have looked at in we stone ale— who. who would have looked at in the stone age times— who. who would have looked at in the stone age times looked at the stone age times looked at we cowl— the stone age times looked at the round wheel— the stone age times looked at the round wheel coming and said, no, l-ll— the round wheel coming and said, no, ll 90— the round wheel coming and said, no, l-ll go for— the round wheel coming and said, no, i'll go for the— the round wheel coming and said, no, i'll go for the now. /2»c. no, i'll go for the now. you won— no, i'll go for the now. you wont oe— no, i'll go for the now. you won no lo— no, i'll go for the now. you won no lo 90— no, i'll go for the now. you want us to go back- no, i'll go for the now. you want us to go back to the stone age? jim, let him finish. i want to hear. what did you say about lois? that people like lois that would sorry taken us back would have. sorry taken us back to age. in other to the stone age. in other words, to the stone age. in other wole leng— to the stone age. in other words, being back- to the stone age. in other words, being back in- to the stone age. in other- words, being back in-stone words, being back in the stone age,— words, being back in the stone ale—cowl- words, being back in the stone. age,_round wheel age, looking at the round wheel

as age, looking at the round wheel oe-lnvenlel— age, looking at the round wheel as-invented and- age, looking at the round wheel as invented and saying, as it was invented and saying, no, as it was invented and saying, l-ll— as it was invented and saying, l-ll encl— as it was invented and saying, no, i'll stick with— as it was invented and saying, no, i'll stick with the old lee— no, i'll stick with the old square wheel.- no, i'll stick with the old square wheel. that one's a benev— square wheel. that one's a letter one— square wheel. that one's a better one. i— square wheel. that one's a better one. i don't want to move. you know, we do get people like move. you know, we do get people llle lnle— move. you know, we do get people like this -that's_ move. you know, we do get people like this that's basically like this and that's basically the—electric- like this and that's basicallyi the—electric cars. the same with electric cars. one— the same with electric cars. one direction,— the same with electric cars. one direction, one- the same with electric cars. one direction, one direction only. oh, you hear one only. oh, did you hear that? one llecnon— only. oh, did you hear that? one llecnon on— only. oh, did you hear that? one direction on a— only. oh, did you hear that? one direction on a square— oh, did you hear that? one direction on a square wheel, wooll— direction on a square wheel, lnooln.—lonel direction on a square wheel,i though._gone for direction on a square wheel,- though._gone for the though. should have gone for the lee— though. should have gone for the elowe—lel square wheel. well the irony is olvlooelv— square wheel. well the irony is obviously—lost- square wheel. well the irony is obviously—lost on. square wheel. well the irony is. obviously—lost on jim obviously completely lost on jim wol— obviously completely lost on jim not we— obviously completely lost on jim not we we— obviously completely lost on jim that it's the stone— obviously completely lost on jim that it's the stone age that wol— that it's the stone age that not l— that it's the stone age that that i believe— that it's the stone age that that i believe people like him. i that i believe people like him. l neve— that i believe people like him. l eov— that i believe people like him. i never say that. _ that i believe people like him. i never say that. funnily enough wol-e— i never say that. funnily enough lnole wol-e— i never say that. funnily enough none none o— i never say that. funnily enough that's that's a little bit rude. lw— that's that's a little bit rude. nw people— that's that's a little bit rude. but people like— that's that's a little bit rude. but people like you to use your pnnoeeoloov. — but people like you to use your own phraseology. jim i believe onl— own phraseology. jim i believe onl o— own phraseology. jim i believe onl o lol— own phraseology. jim i believe onl o lot of— own phraseology. jim i believe and a lot of people believe you wont— and a lot of people believe you wont lo— and a lot of people believe you wont to tole— and a lot of people believe you want to take us— and a lot of people believe you want to take us back to the stone — want to take us back to the stone ale. — want to take us back to the stone age. i'm— want to take us back to the stone age. i'm not a luddite at all:— stone age. i'm not a luddite at oll lw— stone age. i'm not a luddite at oll lw n— stone age. i'm not a luddite at oll lw n voo— stone age. i'm not a luddite at all, but if you have— stone age. i'm not a luddite at all, but if you have technology wol— all, but if you have technology lnol loeen-l— all, but if you have technology that doesn't work— all, but if you have technology that doesn't work and is based on a force, a force— that doesn't work and is based on a force, a force premise in we— on a force, a force premise in we wel— on a force, a force premise in the first place,— on a force, a force premise in the first place, which i believe wol— the first place, which i believe no n— the first place, which i believe no n le— the first place, which i believe that it is with— the first place, which i believe that it is with batteries that you— that it is with batteries that won con-l— that it is with batteries that won con-l voo— that it is with batteries that you can't you have to replace it. you can't you have to replace w no— you can't you have to replace w no eeole— you can't you have to replace it. no resale value. let's be noneel— it. no resale value. let's be noneel vow— it. no resale value. let's be honest, your marxist ideology is at honest, your marxist ideology is w lne— honest, your marxist ideology is w lne neon— honest, your marxist ideology is at the heart of— honest, your marxist ideology is at the heart of all— honest, your marxist ideology is at the heart of all of this. and you— at the heart of all of this. and you know— at the heart of all of this. and you know ,— at the heart of all of this. and you know , voo— at the heart of all of this. and you know , you don't actually you know, you don't actually wan— you know, you don't actually won oe— you know, you don't actually won oe lo— you know, you don't actually want us to be— you know, you don't actually want us to be driving . this is want us to be driving. this is wow— want us to be driving. this is olow not— want us to be driving. this is about not driving. angela

angelo,— about not driving. angela angela, could— about not driving. angela angela, could we not carry on? angelo— angela, could we not carry on? angelo lw— angela, could we not carry on? angela but we've— angela, could we not carry on? angela but we've got about 30 eeconle— angela but we've got about 30 eeconle len- — angela but we've got about 30 seconds left. could we not carry on wln— seconds left. could we not carry on wln ow— seconds left. could we not carry on with our combustion engines? but on with our combustion engines? ow wln— on with our combustion engines? ow wln zero— on with our combustion engines? but with zero carbon fuel, is were— but with zero carbon fuel, is were eecn— but with zero carbon fuel, is were eocn o— but with zero carbon fuel, is there such a thing ? 2“ there such a thing? synthetic? lnle— there such a thing? synthetic? lnle l-n— there such a thing? synthetic? the m sorry-— there such a thing? synthetic? this i'm sorry. i— there such a thing? 2“ “ i'm sorry. i missed what this i'm sorry. i missed what you— this i'm sorry. i missed what you eoll— this i'm sorry. i missed what you eoll. lne— “ i'm sorry. i missed what you said. the sound. could we not— you said. the sound. could we not encl— you said. the sound. could we not stick with— you said. the sound. could we not stick with combustion enolneee — not stick with combustion engines? but— not stick with combustion engines? but is- not stick with combustion engines? c“222 not stick with combustion engines? but is there any sort of zero carbon fuel that we could be using so we don't have to scrap all our old cars? and can we not carry on with what we have? well, that we can have? well, i think that we can conv— have? well, i think that we can conv on— have? well, i think that we can conv on for— have? well, i think that we can cww on for o— have? well, i think that we can carry on for a bit,— have? well, i think that we can carry on for a bit, but- , well, i think that we can carry on for a bit, but this is not— carry on for a bit, but this is not wlnow— carry on for a bit, but this is not without doing development on one— not without doing development on one lnlnle. — not without doing development on one lnlnle. l— not without doing development on other things. i mean , one other things. i mean, one evonnle— other things. i mean, one evonnle-l- other things. i mean, one example, i think has other things. i mean, one- example,-i think has got example, which i think has got some more work— example, which i think has got some more work to be done, but noe— some more work to be done, but noe lol— some more work to be done, but noe ool eoe— some more work to be done, but has got some really— some more work to be done, but has got some really good long leen — has got some really good long term possibilities, is the use of nolwol— term possibilities, is the use of natural gas— term possibilities, is the use of natural gas as— term possibilities, is the use of natural gas as a fuel? for evonnle— of natural gas as a fuel? for evonple, ln— of natural gas as a fuel? for example, in hgv_ of natural gas as a fuel? for example, in hgv cars? because we look— example, in hgv cars? because we look ol— example, in hgv cars? because we look w we— example, in hgv cars? because we look w lne big— example, in hgv cars? because we look at the big lorries and ooolneee— look at the big lorries and goodness only— look at the big lorries and goodness only knows they thunder wowl— goodness only knows they thunder around our our roads like nololv-e— around our our roads like nobody's business and they're in the nobody's business and they're in we not-onw— nobody's business and they're in the majority are— nobody's business and they're in the majority are diesel is elecnlc— the majority are diesel is electric viable- the majority are diesel is electric viable for them ? well electric viable for them? well it's electric viable for them? well we owe— electric viable for them? well it's quite difficult to see that it's quite difficult to see that l le— it's quite difficult to see that l le lenlllv— it's quite difficult to see that it is terribly viable . what

it is terribly viable. what olow— it is terribly viable. what about hydrogen? yes, there's some possibilities there and were-e— some possibilities there and lnene-e lone— some possibilities there and there's quite a— some possibilities there and there's quite a lot of work lelnl— there's quite a lot of work being lone— there's quite a lot of work being done on— there's quite a lot of work being done on that . but we did being done on that. but we did at being done on that. but we did w one— being done on that. but we did w wooe— being done on that. but we did at one stage, bupa , a number of at one stage, bupa, a number of our our bus fleets— at one stage, bupa, a number of our our bus fleets by natural ooe. — our our bus fleets by natural ooe. l— our our bus fleets by natural ooe. l nove— our our bus fleets by natural ooe. l nove no— our our bus fleets by natural gas. i have no idea why that went— gas. i have no idea why that went owov— gas. i have no idea why that went owov .— gas. i have no idea why that went away . now,- gas. i have no idea why that went away . now, natural gas is went away. now, natural gas is enll— went away. now, natural gas is enll ol— went away. now, natural gas is still, of course,— went away. now, natural gas is still, of course, a— went away. now, natural gas is still, of course, a carbon fuel, lw— still, of course, a carbon fuel, lw wnol— still, of course, a carbon fuel, lw wnol l— still, of course, a carbon fuel, but what it does— still, of course, a carbon fuel, but what it does produce is much leee— but what it does produce is much less emissions— but what it does produce is much less emissions and— but what it does produce is much less emissions and it's the enleelone— less emissions and it's the emissions that— less emissions and it's the emissions that are the issues neve. — emissions that are the issues neve. wonl— emissions that are the issues here. thank you— emissions that are the issues here. 22; emissions that are the issues here. “5’

novelln— the gb newsroom. at 3:30, the foreign office _ the gb newsroom. at 3:30, the foreign office has— the gb newsroom. at 3:30, the foreign office has confirmed the enme— foreign office has confirmed the prime minister— foreign office has confirmed the prime minister chaired an emergency— prime minister chaired an emergency cobra meeting this nonnlno— emergency cobra meeting this nonnlnl oe— emergency cobra meeting this morning as fierce— emergency cobra meeting this morning as fierce fighting in swoon— morning as fierce fighting in sudan enters— morning as fierce fighting in sudan enters its— morning as fierce fighting in sudan enters its second week. we— sudan enters its second week. we coonwv-e— sudan enters its second week. the country's army claims welln— the country's army claims foreign nationals, including low— foreign nationals, including from we— foreign nationals, including now we un— foreign nationals, including from the uk ,_ foreign nationals, including from the uk , us, france and from the uk, us, france and cnlno— from the uk, us, france and cnlno ,— from the uk, us, france and cnlno , oe— from the uk, us, france and china , are to— from the uk, us, france and china , are to be— from the uk, us, france and china , are to be evacuated. china, are to be evacuated. swoon-e— china, are to be evacuated. sudan's military says it will new— sudan's military says it will neln wln— sudan's military says it will help with evacuation plans. the vvonll— help with evacuation plans. the vvonll neolln— help with evacuation plans. the world health organisation says lnon— world health organisation says more than 400— world health organisation says more than 400 people have been llllel— more than 400 people have been lllel onl— more than 400 people have been killed and thousands more injured— killed and thousands more injured since— killed and thousands more injured since the violence lelon. — injured since the violence began. government forces there are began. government forces there lonllno— began. government forces there are battling with— began. government forces there are battling with a paramedic group— are battling with a paramedic wool ove— are battling with a paramedic group over control of the conlol— group over control of the capital, khartoum . the snp has capital, khartoum. the snp has oooolnlel— capital, khartoum. the snp has appointed stuart— capital, khartoum. the snp has appointed stuart macdonald as the appointed stuart macdonald as we pony-e— appointed stuart macdonald as we pony-e ew— appointed stuart macdonald as the party's new treasurer, followlnl— the party's new treasurer, following the _ the party's new treasurer, following the resignation of msp colln— following the resignation of msp colin beattie.— following the resignation of msp colin beattie. mr— following the resignation of msp colin beattie. mr beattie eleppel— colin beattie. mr beattie stepped down- colin beattie. mr beattie stepped down after he was oneelel— stepped down after he was oneelel by— stepped down after he was arrested by police investigating sne— arrested by police investigating snn nnonce— arrested by police investigating snp finance cars. _ arrested by police investigating snp finance cars. he was later neleoeel— snp finance cars. he was later released without— snp finance cars. he was later released without charge. the party's— released without charge. the pony-e rorner— released without charge. the party's former chief executive, rerer— party's former chief executive, peter murrell,— party's former chief executive, peter murrell, who is also wcolo— peter murrell, who is also nicola sturgeon's husband , was nicola sturgeon's husband, was oleo— nicola sturgeon's husband, was also arrested— nicola sturgeon's husband, was also arrested and— nicola sturgeon's husband, was also arrested and questioned lerore— also arrested and questioned lerore leng— also arrested and questioned before being released . police before being released. police are investigating the use of

fellow— are investigating the use of eeooooo ln— are investigating the use of £600,000 in donations loans . a £600,000 in donations loans. a eervlnl— £600,000 in donations loans. a eervlno rnernelr— £600,000 in donations loans. a serving member of— £600,000 in donations loans. a serving member of the british arnel— serving member of the british armed forces— serving member of the british armed forces has— serving member of the british armed forces has appeared in cowo— armed forces has appeared in cowr cnorlel— armed forces has appeared in court charged with offences onler— court charged with offences onler rne— court charged with offences under the official secrets act, 36 under the official secrets act, we vew— under the official secrets act, we vew oll — under the official secrets act, 36 year old thomas newsom is occoeel— 36 year old thomas newsom is occoeel or— 36 year old thomas newsom is accused of sharing— 36 year old thomas newsom is accused of sharing highly eenelrlve— accused of sharing highly sensitive military information. nee— sensitive military information. we olleoel— sensitive military information. he's alleged to— sensitive military information. he's alleged to have shared a ren— he's alleged to have shared a ren pole— he's alleged to have shared a ten page document through social mello— ten page document through social nello ro— ten page document through social nello ro rwo— ten page document through social media to two senior— ten page document through social media to two senior officers who noo— media to two senior officers who nol clewonce— media to two senior officers who had clearance and— media to two senior officers who had clearance and one civilian wno— had clearance and one civilian wno llln-r— had clearance and one civilian wno llln-r .— had clearance and one civilian who didn't . prosecutors claim if who didn't. prosecutors claim if the information _ who didn't. prosecutors claim if the information was leaked, it wooll— the information was leaked, it wooll nove— the information was leaked, it would have caused a real and lnnellore— would have caused a real and immediate threat— would have caused a real and immediate threat to british people— immediate threat to british people .— immediate threat to british people . nee— immediate threat to british people . he's due immediate threat to british people. he's due in immediate threat to british people . he's due in court immediate threat to british people. he's due in court again on rrllov. — people. he's due in court again on rrllov. rne— people. he's due in court again on friday. the family of stephen lawrence have— on friday. the family of stephen lawrence have held a memorial eervlce— lawrence have held a memorial eervlce ln— lawrence have held a memorial service in trafalgar— lawrence have held a memorial service in trafalgar square to work— service in trafalgar square to work we— service in trafalgar square to mark the 30th— service in trafalgar square to mark the 30th anniversary of his rnrwle — mark the 30th anniversary of his rnrwle rne— mark the 30th anniversary of his rnrwle we re— mark the 30th anniversary of his murder. the 18 year old was lllel— murder. the 18 year old was lllel ln— murder. the 18 year old was lllel n o— murder. the 18 year old was killed in a racist— murder. the 18 year old was killed in a racist attack while wolrlno— killed in a racist attack while wolrlnl lor— killed in a racist attack while wolrlno for o— killed in a racist attack while waiting for a bus— killed in a racist attack while waiting for a bus in south—east lonlon— waiting for a bus in south—east lonlon. rle— waiting for a bus in south—east london. it's alleged the orlllnol— london. it's alleged the original investigation was nlnlerel— original investigation was nlnlerel by— original investigation was hindered by racism and corruption— hindered by racism and corruption in- hindered by racism and corruption in the police, neonlnl— corruption in the police, neonlnl l— corruption in the police, meaning it took almost 20 years for rwo— meaning it took almost 20 years for rwo or— meaning it took almost 20 years for rwo of ne— meaning it took almost 20 years for two of his killers to face pence.— for two of his killers to face toence. rne— for two of his killers to face justice. the mayor of london, solll— justice. the mayor of london, solll cnon— justice. the mayor of london, sadiq khan, said— justice. the mayor of london, sadiq khan, said it was a day to celelrore— sadiq khan, said it was a day to celebrate the— sadiq khan, said it was a day to celebrate the efforts of the

lawrence family. you're up to lore— lawrence family. you're up to we on— lawrence family. you're up to we on w— lawrence family. you're up to date on tv online— lawrence family. you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and on rune— date on tv online dab+ radio and on rune ln— date on tv online dab+ radio and on rune n we— date on tv online dab+ radio and on tune in this is— date on tv online dab+ radio and on tune in this is ._ on tune in this is. gb news. rnonl— on tune in this is. gb news. rnonl vow— on tune in this is. gb news. thank you, bethany . thank you, bethany. after the wool.— thank you, bethany. after the brow. r-ll— thank you, bethany. after the break, i'll be speaking to the naked scientist chris smith. american scientists have inched even closer to finding a universe flu vaccine that could last many, many years. who'll be taking us through all the science behind that discovery ? science behind that discovery? and the way, i'll be and then on the way, i'll be speaking conservative mp speaking to conservative mp michael fabricant he got michael fabricant on why he got into politics, spilling the beans his hair. so i didn't beans on his hair. so i didn't say that how he got into westminster minster. that's on say that how he got into wesway. ster minster. that's on say that how he got into wesway. don't.inster. that's on say that how he got into wesway. don't go ter. that's on say that how he got into wesway. don't go anywhere on say that how he got into wesway. don't go anywhere .yn

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forward from this. join. us pew,— forward from this. join. us hello, good— forward from this. join. us hello, good afternoon and welcome— hello, good afternoon and welcome ro— hello, good afternoon and welcome to gb— hello, good afternoon and welcome to gb news on tv online onl— welcome to gb news on tv online onl on— welcome to gb news on tv online onl on llllrol— welcome to gb news on tv online and on digital radio. \5“5 \5“5 and on digital radio. nana nana allo— and on digital radio. nana nana akua. why not? today marks the 30th anniversary of the racist murder of stephen lawrence, who was stabbed to death whilst waiting for a bus in eltham in south—east london. and this morning, his family held a memorial service at saint martin's in the fields church in trafalgar square . let's let's trafalgar square. let's let's cross over to trafalgar square now and speak to gb news national reporter paul hawkins. paul national reporter paul hawkins. paul, talk to me about what's been happening today. paul, talk to me about what's been happening today . yeah so been happening today. yeah so the service finished around- the service finished around me,— the service finished around 1230, lasted _ the service finished around 1230, lasted for— the service finished around 1230, lasted for about an hour. it 1230, lasted for about an hour. n woe— 1230, lasted for about an hour. rr poclel— 1230, lasted for about an hour. it was packed saint martin in the it was packed saint martin in we felle— it was packed saint martin in the fields behind me with pollnclone— the fields behind me with politicians from across the pollrlcol— politicians from across the political spectrum. also various oroonleorlone— political spectrum. also various organisations is— political spectrum. also various organisations is campaigning for eoclol— organisations is campaigning for eoclol toerlce. — organisations is campaigning for social justice. there were coer— social justice. there were coer ,— social justice. there were actors , musicians, celebrities , actors, musicians, celebrities, tv actors, musicians, celebrities, rv preeenrere— actors, musicians, celebrities, rv preeenrere ,— actors, musicians, celebrities, tv presenters , lots of people tv presenters, lots of people from— tv presenters, lots of people from different— tv presenters, lots of people from different walks of life,

all connected _ from different walks of life, all connected to stephen lawrence, his— all connected to stephen lawrence, his family, the foundation— lawrence, his family, the foundation ,_ lawrence, his family, the foundation , ocean and the foundation, ocean and the oenerol— foundation, ocean and the general campaign for social pence— general campaign for social werlce onl— general campaign for social justice and for— general campaign for social justice and for racial equality . rnere— justice and for racial equality . rnere wee— justice and for racial equality . there were speeches as well now— . there were speeches as well from we— . there were speeches as well from the london— . there were speeches as well from the london mayor, sadiq cnon— from the london mayor, sadiq lnon wno— from the london mayor, sadiq khan, who paid— from the london mayor, sadiq khan, who paid tribute to srepnen— khan, who paid tribute to stephen lawrence and to his family— stephen lawrence and to his family onl— stephen lawrence and to his family and the— stephen lawrence and to his family and the foundation . he family and the foundation. he oleo— family and the foundation. he oleo epole— family and the foundation. he also spoke afterwards as well, iner— also spoke afterwards as well, toer owelle— also spoke afterwards as well, just outside the— also spoke afterwards as well, just outside the church behind me just outside the church behind ne onl— just outside the church behind me onl or— just outside the church behind me and, of course, marking srepnen— me and, of course, marking stephen lawrence's death. 30 veore— stephen lawrence's death. 30 vewe l— stephen lawrence's death. 30 years on, it comes just after we— years on, it comes just after we loreer— years on, it comes just after the latest report,- years on, it comes just after the latest report, really, the coeev— the latest report, really, the coeev epon— the latest report, really, the casey report, which branded the rler— casey report, which branded the we pollce— casey report, which branded the met police institutionally rower.— met police institutionally rocler. rn— met police institutionally racist. in 1999, we had the fearsome report- racist. in 1999, we had the fearsome report which followed on non — fearsome report which followed on non rnor— fearsome report which followed on from that campaign by slepnen-e— on from that campaign by stephen's parents, neville and ooeen— stephen's parents, neville and ooeen ,— stephen's parents, neville and doreen , where— stephen's parents, neville and doreen , where the met was doreen, where the met was lronlel— doreen, where the met was branded institutionally racist. ano— branded institutionally racist. anl rnen— branded institutionally racist. and then we've— branded institutionally racist. and then we've just had the repon— and then we've just had the repon wnlcn— and then we've just had the report which said that the met is report which said that the met le erlll— report which said that the met is still institutionally racist. oleo—well- is still institutionally racist. oleo—well -l is still institutionally racist. l also _well . and is still institutionally racist. - also—well . and it also misogynist as well. and it neele— also misogynist as well. and it neele reollv— also misogynist as well. and it needs really a— also misogynist as well. and it needs really a complete overlool— needs really a complete overhaul. that's something that the overhaul. that's something that we loee— overhaul. that's something that the boss metropolitan the boss of the metropolitan rollce— the boss of the metropolitan rollcelrlorl— the boss of the metropolitan police mark himself the boss of the metropolitan- policeimark-himself has police, mark rowley, himself has ooreel— police, mark rowley, himself has ooreel wlrn— police, mark rowley, himself has agreed with, although he's lleolreel— agreed with, although he's disagreed with— agreed with, although he's disagreed with the term institutionally racist . so

institutionally racist. so a llrncwr— institutionally racist. so a difficult moment for the met pollce— difficult moment for the met pollce rolov. — difficult moment for the met police today. some of their representatives— police today. some of their representatives were in the cnwcn— representatives were in the cnwcn oe— representatives were in the church as well. _ representatives were in the church as well. we heard from sir church as well. we heard from so len— church as well. we heard from sir keir starmer— church as well. we heard from sir keir starmer as well, the lolow— sir keir starmer as well, the lolow-.— sir keir starmer as well, the lolow-. ne- sir keir starmer as well, the labour-. he-a. sir keir starmer as well, the. labour-. he-a short labour leader. he gave a short epeecn— labour leader. he gave a short epeecn ,— labour leader. he gave a short epeecn , ploe— labour leader. he gave a short epeecn , ploe ne— labour leader. he gave a short speech , plus he read a poem by speech, plus he read a poem by now— speech, plus he read a poem by novo angelou— speech, plus he read a poem by maya angelou and— speech, plus he read a poem by maya angelou and he contrasted ololner— maya angelou and he contrasted ooolner rne— maya angelou and he contrasted oowner rne verv— maya angelou and he contrasted against the very worst side of nrlroln— against the very worst side of nrlroln onl— against the very worst side of britain and said,— against the very worst side of britain and said, stephen represented— britain and said, stephen represented the best the loss of a represented the best the loss of o we— represented the best the loss of o llre wnlcn — represented the best the loss of a life which shone— represented the best the loss of a life which shone with the lronl— a life which shone with the new or— a life which shone with the new of o— a life which shone with the light of a potential. he said wow— light of a potential. he said now we— light of a potential. he said now we were standing outside nere— now we were standing outside nere wnlle— now we were standing outside here while the— now we were standing outside here while the memorial was going— here while the memorial was going — here while the memorial was going on. various people eropplno— going on. various people stopping to_ going on. various people stopping to ask why we were nee.— stopping to ask why we were nere. ano— stopping to ask why we were nere. anl we— stopping to ask why we were here. and we were saying, well, it's here. and we were saying, well, we o— here. and we were saying, well, it's a memorial— here. and we were saying, well, it's a memorial service to mark 30 it's a memorial service to mark eo vewe— it's a memorial service to mark 30 years-stephen- it's a memorial service to mark 30 years stephen lawrence 30 years since stephen lawrence llel—coweel died. many people, of course, nocllnl— mocking, gosh, it's been that long.— mocking, gosh, it's been that long. ano— mocking, gosh, it's been that long. and david— mocking, gosh, it's been that long. and david bumped into us. nee— long. and david bumped into us. nee-lor— long. and david bumped into us. nee-for nere— long. and david bumped into us. he's-for here the- long. and david bumped into us. he's for here the london he's down for here the london rlwornon— he's down for here the london marathon, but— he's down for here the london marathon, but he— he's down for here the london marathon, but he also came along to marathon, but he also came along ro-eone— marathon, but he also came along ro-eone-ro- marathon, but he also came along to-some-to baronessi to give some flowers to baroness lwvence [— to give some flowers to baroness lawrence.-i brought- to give some flowers to baroness lawrence. i brought a bunch lawrence. well i brought a bunch of flowere— lawrence. well i brought a bunch of flowers, which _ lawrence. well i brought a bunch of flowers, which i— lawrence. well i brought a bunch of flowers, which i just wanted to of flowers, which i just wanted ro llve — of flowers, which i just wanted ro olve eoe— of flowers, which i just wanted to give some to— of flowers, which i just wanted to give some to baroness lawrence, just- to give some to baroness lawrence, just as a little sort of lawrence, just as a little sort or—eonernlnl- lawrence, just as a little sort. of_something really, of thought of something really, you know,— of thought of something really, you know, iner— of thought of something really, you know, just something from the you know, just something from we neon— you know, just something from we neon onl— you know, just something from the heart and i— you know, just something from the heart and i was lucky that i nonolel— the heart and i was lucky that i nonolel ro— the heart and i was lucky that i managed to-her- the heart and i was lucky that i managed to her coming managed to catch her just coming out managed to catch her just coming our of— managed to catch her just coming our or we— managed to catch her just coming our or we ow— managed to catch her just coming out of the out of— managed to catch her just coming out of the out of the church and

i out of the out of the church and r woe— out of the out of the church and r olle— out of the out of the church and r olle ro— out of the out of the church and i was able to sort— out of the out of the church and i was able to sort of hand them to i was able to sort of hand them ro ner— i was able to sort of hand them ro ner onl— i was able to sort of hand them to her and just— i was able to sort of hand them to her and just said, you know, i to her and just said, you know, liner— to her and just said, you know, liner wonl— to her and just said, you know, ljust wonr ro— to her and just said, you know, i just want to give— to her and just said, you know, i just want to give you these. voo— i just want to give you these. you know.— i just want to give you these. you know. ln— i just want to give you these. you know, in your— i just want to give you these. you know, in your thoughts and my you your my thoughts of you and your occasion. and just said, occasion. and she just said, thank so and that was i thank you so and that was it. i just think was a it was just just think it was a it was just a occurrence the time. a tragic occurrence at the time. and know, to which of and you know, to which sort of major occurrences that happened at the time as well. but that one was more than a i think more than sort of like incredible because obviously the justice that or the injustice, you could say that probably occurred afterwards . and, you know, and afterwards. and, you know, and obviously after that, there's there are instances which are still occurring today and you know, which are you know, i'm sure there's many people like baroness lawrence, but because of in the position they're in, you know, i guess it sort of bnngs you know, i guess it sort of brings it to the to the media attention, obviously, for who she and obviously who her she is. and obviously who her husband and you know, and husband is. and you know, and obviously major thoughts for her and her family for today. obviously major thoughts for her and her family for today . so and her family for today. so that was david who was here to give some flowers to baron

lawrence. she emerged just a few rnornener— lawrence. she emerged just a few rnornener oeo— lawrence. she emerged just a few rnornener ooo ,— lawrence. she emerged just a few moments ago , actually— 2 she emerged just a few moments ago , actually from the moments ago, actually from the core— moments ago, actually from the cafe v— moments ago, actually from the core , wnlcn— moments ago, actually from the core , wnlcn le— moments ago, actually from the cafe , which is part— moments ago, actually from the cafe , which is part of the cafe, which is part of the cnwcn— cafe, which is part of the church where— cafe, which is part of the church where there was some reneennenre— church where there was some refreshments served for some of the refreshments served for some of we loeere— refreshments served for some of we were iner— refreshments served for some of the guests just afterwards , she the guests just afterwards, she eoll— the guests just afterwards, she eoll rnor— the guests just afterwards, she said that stephen's story renolnel— said that stephen's story remained as— said that stephen's story remained as important and as relevonr— remained as important and as relevonr oe— remained as important and as relevant as ever— remained as important and as relevant as ever ._ remained as important and as relevant as ever. and remained as important and as relevant as ever . and the relevant as ever. and the srepnen— relevant as ever. and the stephen lawrence foundation, wnlcn— stephen lawrence foundation, wnlcn woe— stephen lawrence foundation, which was only— stephen lawrence foundation, which was only set up three vewe— which was only set up three vewe-ro— which was only set up three years-to create- years ago to create opportunities for young people, porncolorlv— opportunities for young people, particularly from _ opportunities for young people, particularly from marginalised locloroonle— particularly from marginalised locloroonle ,— particularly from marginalised backgrounds , has said as backgrounds, has said that as part— backgrounds, has said that as ponlrolov— backgrounds, has said that as ponlrolov onl— backgrounds, has said that as part today and continuing as part of today and continuing as well— part of today and continuing as well ,— part of today and continuing as well , rnev-re — part of today and continuing as well , they're going to be trying well, they're going to be trying to well, they're going to be trying ro encowoel— well, they're going to be trying to encourage more scholarships, research initiatives— to encourage more scholarships, research initiatives and pilot career schemes— research initiatives and pilot career schemes for young people. so career schemes for young people. so more— career schemes for young people. so that's where _ career schemes for young people. so that's where they say srepnen-e— so that's where they say stephen's legacy lives on. and of course the— stephen's legacy lives on. and of course the metropolitan rollce— of course the metropolitan police continuing to go through no— police continuing to go through no proceee— police continuing to go through that process of— police continuing to go through that process of trying to regain the that process of trying to regain rne polllc-e— that process of trying to regain the public's trust— that process of trying to regain the public's trust and confidence- the public's trust and confidence in it as it seeks to erollcore— confidence in it as it seeks to eradicate eradicate things like onl— eradicate eradicate things like racism and misogyny from its ronle— racism and misogyny from its ronle. — racism and misogyny from its ronle. vell— racism and misogyny from its ranks . well, listen,- racism and misogyny from its ranks. �*vvr�*2cc racism and misogyny from its ranks. well, listen, paul, thank you very much. that's paul hawkins, gb news national reporter. you so much. reporter. thank you so much. well, of well, following the murder of a pubuc well, following the murder of a public inquiry took place in

1998, led by sir william macpherson, its aim was to investigate the original metropolitan police investigation into the death of stephen. the macpherson report found that the police investigation was incompetent and that the force itself was institutionally racist. and 20 years the macpherson years after the macpherson report baroness casey, was report, baroness casey, who was looking into the metropolitan police investigation into the murder sarah everard , murder of sarah everard, recently concluded that the force still institutionally force is still institutionally racist . the metropolitan police racist. the metropolitan police have released a statement from the commissioner, sir mark rowley, which says, 30 on rowley, which says, 30 years on from stephen lawrence's murder, this moment prompts us to reflect honestly on, firstly on how policing has responded to the necessary calls for change that have punctuated the past three decades. while we have made progress. three decades. while we have made progress . yes, it isn't made progress. yes, it isn't enoughif made progress. yes, it isn't enough if we have let black communities down and i and the good majority of our officers are resolved to finally make the met determinedly anti—racist and anti discrimination of all kinds . right. moving on to the next story, scientists in america are

inching closer to a breakthrough inching closer to a breakthrough in finding a universal flu vaccine that can combat any flu infection even. wow. this jab could also give members of the pubuc could also give members of the public protection for a number of years . now, these viruses are of years. now, these viruses are considered to be incredibly intelligent as they're able to continually evolve, which makes them very difficult for humans and our immune system to tackle. and these experts conducted their first clinical trial of this approach in humans . so just this approach in humans. so just how significant is this discovery? i'm delighted to say i'm joined by the naked scientist dr. chris smith. chris, thank you very much for joining me. chris, this sounds is almost too good to be true. a vaccine against flu, but nobody can get a vaccine against flu. it's impossible. so. well we've been searching for many years for a solution to the flu problem because around the world, every year about a million people die of flu . and million people die of flu. and they're young and old- they're young and old people. ano— they're young and old people. anl rnor-e— they're young and old people. and that's not— they're young and old people. and that's not in— they're young and old people. and that's not in a pandemic vew— and that's not in a pandemic vew .— and that's not in a pandemic vew . rle— and that's not in a pandemic vew. rr-e iner— and that's not in a pandemic year. it's just every year. and

we— year. it's just every year. and rnle le— year. it's just every year. and rnle le iner— year. it's just every year. and this is just seasonal flu . and this is just seasonal flu. and we— this is just seasonal flu. and we eeo— this is just seasonal flu. and the reason that— this is just seasonal flu. and the reason that we have to voccnoer — the reason that we have to vaccinate everybody every year wno-e— vaccinate everybody every year who's vulnerable— vaccinate everybody every year who's vulnerable to flu is lecee— who's vulnerable to flu is because the _ who's vulnerable to flu is because the virus changes it. it enopeenlrre— because the virus changes it. it shapeshifts, it— because the virus changes it. it shapeshifts, it evolves . and as shapeshifts, it evolves. and as it shapeshifts, it evolves. and as l loee— shapeshifts, it evolves. and as it goes around— shapeshifts, it evolves. and as it goes around the world, like a boon— it goes around the world, like a loron ln— it goes around the world, like a loron n o— it goes around the world, like a baton in a relay— it goes around the world, like a baton in a relay race being nonlel— baton in a relay race being handed from _ baton in a relay race being handed from person to person, the handed from person to person, we lenerlc— handed from person to person, the genetic changes that the wee— the genetic changes that the virus accrues _ the genetic changes that the virus accrues make it look llnerenr— virus accrues make it look llnerenr .— virus accrues make it look different . and— virus accrues make it look different . and this means that different. and this means that every— different. and this means that every y...— different. and this means that every year, although your immune everen — every year, although your immune everen nov— every year, although your immune everen nov nove— every year, although your immune system may have seen the flu the prevlooe— system may have seen the flu the prevlooe vew— system may have seen the flu the prevlooe vew or— system may have seen the flu the previous year or seen a vaccine ooolner— previous year or seen a vaccine ooolner rne— previous year or seen a vaccine against the previous year's flu, wnor— against the previous year's flu, wnor coee— against the previous year's flu, what comes the— against the previous year's flu, what comes the next year looks a bit what comes the next year looks a ll llnerenr— what comes the next year looks a ll llnerenr .— what comes the next year looks a bit different . and— what comes the next year looks a bit different . and as a result bit different. and as a result you— bit different. and as a result you now— bit different. and as a result you now nor— bit different. and as a result you may not recognise it, so you may— you may not recognise it, so you now corcn— you may not recognise it, so you now corcn l.— you may not recognise it, so you may catch it. and— you may not recognise it, so you may catch it. and that's why we love — may catch it. and that's why we love-loeeelno— may catch it. and that's why we have guessing game of have this guessing game of rrvlnl— have this guessing game of rrvlno ro— have this guessing game of trying to anticipate what will lrne — trying to anticipate what will arrive the opposite arrive in the opposite hemisphere- arrive in the opposite hemisphere in their winter based on-lolnl— hemisphere in their winter based on-doing-rounds- hemisphere in their winter based on doing rounds in, on what's doing the rounds in, say,— on what's doing the rounds in, say loerrollo — on what's doing the rounds in, say, australia during our summer, their- say, australia during our summer, their winter and we use no— summer, their winter and we use no ro— summer, their winter and we use no lo lnrorn— summer, their winter and we use that to inform what— summer, their winter and we use that to inform what we think wlll— that to inform what we think wlll wnve— that to inform what we think will arrive in— that to inform what we think will arrive in our— that to inform what we think will arrive in our shores about six will arrive in our shores about elv nonrne— will arrive in our shores about six months later. _ will arrive in our shores about six months later. and we make a vaccine on that— six months later. and we make a vaccine on that basis. and we nove— vaccine on that basis. and we love ro— vaccine on that basis. and we love ro keep— vaccine on that basis. and we have to keep doing this. what have to keep doing this. so what this have to keep doing this. so what rnle-anerlco— have to keep doing this. so what this-america have- have to keep doing this. so what this america have done this team in america have done is this team in america have done le ro— this team in america have done le ro ew— this team in america have done le ro sayv well— this team in america have done re ro sayv well ,— this team in america have done is to say, well , are— this team in america 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parts lthe virus- is to say, well, are there any parts the virus which don't parts of the virus which don't cnonlee— parts of the virus which don't cnonoee rle— parts of the virus which don't change? erg that's the first polnl— change? erg that's the first polnr. ano— change? erg that's the first point. and which also are common to point. and which also are common ro oll— point. and which also are common ro oll or— point. and which also are common ro oll or we— point. and which also are common to all of the different members of to all of the different members or we— to all of the different members or we flo— to all of the different members of the flu virus— to all of the different members of the flu virus family, because flu of the flu virus family, because rle vlroeee— of the flu virus family, because flu viruses are— of the flu virus family, because flu viruses are a— of the flu virus family, because flu viruses are a really big family— flu viruses are a really big family-viruses- flu viruses are a really big family viruses and they've family of viruses and they've nonel— family of viruses and they've nonellon— family of viruses and they've homedlon-areas- family of viruses and they've homed on areas of the homed in on some areas of the wee— homed in on some areas of the onl— homed in on some areas of the virus and they've— homed in on some areas of the virus and they've managed to leolore— virus and they've managed to leolore rne— virus and they've managed to isolate the genetic code that coneepole— isolate the genetic code that corresponds to _ isolate the genetic code that corresponds to those bits of the wee— corresponds to those bits of the onl— corresponds to those bits of the virus and turn— corresponds to those bits of the virus and turn that— corresponds to those bits of the virus and turn that into a vaccine that— virus and turn that into a vaccine that does make you make an immune response against it. in an immune response against it. n onlnole— an immune response against it. n onlnole. lr— an immune response against it. in animals. it does— an immune response against it. in animals. it does produce oool— in animals. it does produce oool roller,— in animals. it does produce good, robust, long lasting prorecrlon— good, robust, long lasting protection, not— good, robust, long lasting protection, not just against any erron— protection, not just against any erroln or— protection, not just against any one strain of flu,— protection, not just against any one strain of flu, but all the llnerenr— one strain of flu, but all the different strains— one strain of flu, but all the different strains of flu they reerel. — different strains of flu they reerel. anl — different strains of flu they tested. and now what they've announced in— tested. and now what they've announced in the— tested. and now what they've announced in the journal science rronelorlonol— announced in the journal science translational medicine week translational medicine this week is translational medicine this week le rnor— translational medicine this week le no new— translational medicine this week is that they have— translational medicine this week is that they have put this into a is that they have put this into o emoll— is that they have put this into o enoll group— is that they have put this into a small group humans to prove a small group of humans to prove it's a small group of humans to prove lr-e ewe— a small group of humans to prove lr-e ewe onl— a small group of humans to prove it's safe and to— a small group of humans to prove it's safe and to begin to do reele— it's safe and to begin to do reere on— it's safe and to begin to do tests on whether or not it will ocwollv— tests on whether or not it will actually deliver— tests on whether or not it will actually deliver in the same way as actually deliver in the same way oe lr— actually deliver in the same way oe l loee— actually deliver in the same way as it does-animals.- actually deliver in the same way as it does animals. but the as it does in animals. but the evllence— as it does in animals. but the evllencellr— as it does in animals. but the evidence-it looks- as it does in animals. but the evidence it looks good and evidence is it looks good and rnev-ll— evidence is it looks good and rnev-ll no— evidence is it looks good and they'll now be— evidence is it looks good and they'll now be embarking on the new— they'll now be embarking on the new eroge— they'll now be embarking on the new erole or— they'll now be embarking on the next stage of research, next stage of the research, wnlcn— next stage of the research, wnlcnlro— next stage of the research, which ito i into - next stage of the research, which to into proper which is to go into proper enlcocv— which is to go into proper efficacy trials— which is to go into proper efficacy trials you do efficacy trials where you do we— efficacy trials where you do rnle-oel— efficacy trials where you do rnle-oel ,- efficacy trials where you do this-ask , does- efficacy trials where you do this ask , does this this and you ask, does this ocwollv—

this and you ask, does this ocwollv-ln— this and you ask, does this actually in humans to actually work in humans to prevenr— actually work in humans to prevenr n.— actually work in humans to prevenr rle e— actually work in humans to prevent flu ? not just this year, prevent flu? not just this year, but prevent flu? not just this year, lol or— prevent flu? not just this year, our for vewe— prevent flu? not just this year, but for years hence and against a but for years hence and against o ronoe— but for years hence and against o we or— but for years hence and against a range of different flu challenges?- a range of different flu. challenges?-now a range of different flu- challenges?-now what challenges? you see now what vowve — challenges? you see now what voo-ve iner— challenges? you see now what voo-ve toer roll— challenges? you see now what you've just told me to me like rn— you've just told me to me like r-n no— you've just told me to me like i'm no scientist,— you've just told me to me like i'm no scientist, but to me it's olvlooe. — i'm no scientist, but to me it's olvlooe. r— i'm no scientist, but to me it's obvious. i mean,— i'm no scientist, but to me it's obvious. i mean, why- i'm no scientist, but to me it's obvious. 2 2 obvious. i mean, why did they not look obviously for things that don't in virus that don't change in the virus to try and work with those things and create a vaccine against that? i mean, you know, to as you're describing it, to me, as you're describing it, i thought, i thought they i thought, well, i thought they would that anyway, they would do that anyway, but they don't. they're looking at don't. they're just looking at the this thing, but the mutations of this thing, but not central not looking at the central thing, doesn't thing, that that doesn't appear to changing. they not to be changing. why did they not do before? the crafty thing do that before? the crafty thing nee,— do that before? the crafty thing nere, rne — do that before? the crafty thing here, the virus— do that before? the crafty thing here, the virus hides— 22 2272 the crafty thing here, the virus hides those ponlcww— here, the virus hides those particular parts— here, the virus hides those particular parts of its outer coor— particular parts of its outer coor non — particular parts of its outer coat from the _ particular parts of its outer coat from the immune system. rle— coat from the immune system. we evolvel— coat from the immune system. it's evolved so— coat from the immune system. it's evolved so that— coat from the immune system. it's evolved so that the- it's evolved so that the structure and shape of those bits of the virus means it's very hard for our immune system to see them and respond to them. so this was not just as simple as so this was not just as simple oe sayingr— so this was not just as simple oe sayingr well— so this was not just as simple as saying, well, what are the one— as saying, well, what are the one nor— as saying, well, what are the bits that don't— as saying, well, what are the bits that don't change? they had to bits that don't change? they had ro-rnoee— bits that don't change? they had ro-rnoee ple— bits that don't change? they had to-those bits and— bits that don't change? they had to those bits and they to find those bits and then they noo— to find those bits and then they nol ro— to find those bits and then they nol ro nnl— to find those bits and then they nol o no o— to find those bits and then they had to find a way— to find those bits and then they had to find a way to stabilise rnen — had to find a way to stabilise rnen onl— had to find a way to stabilise them and -them - had to find a way to stabilise them and them express in them and make them express in celle— them and make them express in

celle. so— them and make them express in celle. so rnor— them and make them express in cells. so that the— them and make them express in cells. so that the immune system can cells. so that the immune system rnor— cells. so that the immune system can see that and— cells. so that the immune system can see that and then make a proper,— can see that and then make a proper, proper— can see that and then make a proper, proper response to it. ano— proper, proper response to it. anl eo— proper, proper response to it. and so there's— proper, proper response to it. and so there's a— proper, proper response to it. and so there's a series of llnerenr— and so there's a series of different steps- and so there's a series of different steps that had to be overcome here,— different steps that had to be overcome here, and that's why it's overcome here, and that's why we rolen— overcome here, and that's why we rolen o— overcome here, and that's why it's taken a long— overcome here, and that's why it's taken a long time to do wle.— it's taken a long time to do me ano— it's taken a long time to do this. and obviously it's early love. — this. and obviously it's early love. ijust— this. and obviously it's early days. -just phase- days. it's just phase one cllnlcol— days. it's just phase one clinical trials,- days. it's just phase one clinical trials, which for clinical trials, which is for eorerv— clinical trials, which is for safety reasons.— clinical trials, which is for safety reasons. this is not to prove— safety reasons. this is not to prove.actually_ safety reasons. this is not to prove actually works, but the prove it actually works, but the evllence— prove it actually works, but the evllence le— prove it actually works, but the evidence is and— prove it actually works, but the evidence is and i— prove it actually works, but the evidence is and i spoke to the reon— evidence is and i spoke to the reon or— evidence is and i spoke to the reon or we— evidence is and i spoke to the team at the vaccine research cenrre— team at the vaccine research centre lamerica _ team at the vaccine research centre america who are doing centre in america who are doing we— centre in america who are doing me work— centre in america who are doing this work earlier— centre in america who are doing this work earlier in— centre in america who are doing this work earlier in week this work earlier in the week onl—ne- this work earlier in the week onl—me rnor- this work earlier in the week. and—me that when and they assure me that when new— and they assure me that when rnevlrnle— and they assure me that when they this experimental they do this in experimental onlnole— they do this in experimental animals that— they do this in experimental animals that respond to flu in a verv— animals that respond to flu in a very elnllw— animals that respond to flu in a very elnlw wov— animals that respond to flu in a very similar way to— animals that respond to flu in a very similar way to humans, it loee— very similar way to humans, it loee lellver— very similar way to humans, it does deliver a— very similar way to humans, it does deliver a really good response. it's— does deliver a really good response. c c response. it's like it's cloaking all the things that you doesn't want to see so that doesn't want you to see so that you find how to catch you can't find out how to catch it destroy it stop it it and destroy it or stop it from infecting , which is very, from infecting, which is very, very, very clever. that we've nonolel — very, very clever. that we've managed -through- p22; p22; 2 that we've managed through that very, very clever. that we've- managed -through that sort managed to get through that sort of managed to get through that sort or-ro. — managed to get through that sort or-ro. loee— managed to get through that sort of-to. does that- managed to get through that sort of to. does that have of barrier to. does that have lnpllcorlone— of barrier to. does that have implications to— of barrier to. does that have implications to other diseases or one— implications to other diseases or other things— implications to other diseases or other things that we can't rnor— or other things that we can't see that that— or other things that we can't see that that research that rnev-ve — see that that research that rnev-ve cone— see that that research that they've come through, where rnev-ve —nnll they've been able to find the rnlnoe— they've been able to find the rnlnoe rnor— they've been able to find the things that being hidden by things that are being hidden by this things that are being hidden by wle-le— things that are being hidden by rnle-le nor- this virus, this is not a erroreov— this virus, this is not a strategy unique to flu. m5“;

strategy unique to flu. many lo— strategy unique to flu. many viruses do this— strategy unique to flu. many viruses do this and they make it very difficult for the immune system to respond to certain bits of their outer coat or parts of the virus that are their achilles heel. they hide them for good reason . and so the them for good reason. and so the learning that has been advanced for flu here could well translate to other viruses and other infections in general. yes and certainly the mechanism for how you identify those linchpin virus regions and then get stable forms of them to be made in cells in a dish and produced at really high levels in a format that will turn into a vaccine that's really good learning. it's really good knowledge. and absolutely it could be extrapolated to other important infections in future . important infections in future. fabulous. well fingers crossed for fabulous. well fingers crossed rorrnor.— fabulous. well fingers crossed for that. chris— fabulous. well fingers crossed for that. chris smith, thank you verv— for that. chris smith, thank you very new.— for that. chris smith, thank you very much. really— for that. chris smith, thank you very much. really good to talk to very much. really good to talk ro—welcone. - very much. really good to talk to welcome. thank to you. you're welcome. thank you— to you. you're welcome. thank vol—cnne- to you. you're welcome. thank you—chris smith,. you very much. chris smith, he's the you very much. chris smith, he's rne nolel— you very much. chris smith, he's the naked scientist.— you very much. chris smith, he's the naked scientist. you can cnecl— the naked scientist. you can cnecl ow— the naked scientist. you can check out podcast. is check out his podcast. he is rolwooe. — fabulous. all right. it's time for—eporllonrl fabulous. all right. it's time. for—spotlight. and for my political spotlight. and we— for my political spotlight. and wle-rn— for my political spotlight. and this i'm delighted to be this week, i'm delighted to be joined— this week, i'm delighted to be joined by— this week, i'm delighted to be joined byltitan_ this week, i'm delighted to be joined byltitan of- this week, i'm delighted to be joined by titan of the joined by a titan of the conservative- joined by a titan of the conservative michael conservative party, michael rolnconr— conservative party, michael rolnconr ,— conservative party, michael fabricant , who— conservative party, michael fabricant , who has been the mp fabricant, who has been the mp for lichfield_ fabricant, who has been the mp for lichfield since— fabricant, who has been the mp for lichfield since 1982.

rllcnoel— for lichfield since 1982. michael brought his experience as michael brought his experience oe lonl— michael brought his experience as joint managing director of an international— as joint managing director of an international broadcasting electronics— international broadcasting electronics and investment group to electronics and investment group ro enole— electronics and investment group ro enole op— electronics and investment group to shake up westminster. in zero.— to shake up westminster. in zero. ne— to shake up westminster. in 2017. he came— to shake up westminster. in 2017. he came out as bisexual onl— 2017. he came out as bisexual onl ne-e— 2017. he came out as bisexual onl ne-e leen— 2017. he came out as bisexual and he's been very open about his relationship— and he's been very open about his relationship ship. he's also ewvlvel— his relationship ship. he's also ewvlvel o— his relationship ship. he's also survived a battle— his relationship ship. he's also survived a battle with cancer oner— survived a battle with cancer we leng— survived a battle with cancer after being diagnosed with proerore— after being diagnosed with prostate and— after being diagnosed with prostate and skin cancer back in zero. — prostate and skin cancer back in zero. lw— prostate and skin cancer back in zero. nor ne— prostate and skin cancer back in 2015. but he hasn't— prostate and skin cancer back in 2015. but he hasn't let it slow nln— 2015. but he hasn't let it slow nln lown. — 2015. but he hasn't let it slow nln lown. rn— 2015. but he hasn't let it slow him down. i'm pleased to say rnor— him down. i'm pleased to say that michael— him down. i'm pleased to say that michael fabricant joins me . rllcnoel— that michael fabricant joins me now. michael,-to- that michael fabricant joins me now . michael, to see you. now. michael, nice to see you. verv— now. michael, nice to see you. very oool— now. michael, nice to see you. very oool ro— now. michael, nice to see you. very oool o e— now. michael, nice to see you. very good to see you. to see you olwn. — very good to see you. to see you oooln. col.— very good to see you. to see you oooln. col. voo— very good to see you. to see you again. god, you make- very good to see you. to see you again. c again. god, you make me sound like a survivor for the cancer thing was actually incredibly straightforward. the thing was actually incredibly straightforward . the oh, was it? straightforward. the oh, was it? we whipped the prostate out. actually, it turned out that it wasn't yet cancerous . but wasn't yet cancerous. but anyway, it might have gone that way. and the other thing is , way. and the other thing is, well, just get too much sun and have a marvellous, lovely lady in burton on trent who looks at me every six months. and if there's anything— and if there's anything suspicious, she wnlpe— there's anything suspicious, she wnlpelorl — there's anything suspicious, she wnlpelorl nor— there's anything suspicious, she whipsloff. but oh- there's anything suspicious, she whips off. ;25 whips it off. but oh yes, i'm not on any medication and never have been . interestingly put . so have been. interestingly put. so rllcnoel— have been. interestingly put. so rllcnoel roll— have been. interestingly put. so michael, talk to _ have been. interestingly put. so michael, talk to me— “ interestingly put. so michael, talk to me then, lecee— michael, talk to me then,

because , you— michael, talk to me then, because , you know, you make because, you know, you make lronl— because, you know, you make new or— because, you know, you make new or we— because, you know, you make light of the idea— because, you know, you make light of the idea that the cancer-have- light of the idea that the- cancer-have progressed, cancer may not have progressed, but cancer may not have progressed, per le— cancer may not have progressed, lw lr-e oool— cancer may not have progressed, but it's good that— cancer may not have progressed, but it's good that you caught it eorlv— but it's good that you caught it eorlv onl— but it's good that you caught it early and that,— but it's good that you caught it early and that, you know, that's it's early and that, you know, that's lr-e loco.— early and that, you know, that's lr-e oool. rne— early and that, you know, that's it's good. the technology that we've -forward - it's good. the technology that we've-forward-inl we've moved forward with ini —ecencelrvee science is saving lots of lives .-ne-vow- . talk to me about your rreoeonno— . talk to me about your rreoeonnl .— . talk to me about your reasoning . why did you get into reasoning. why did you get into pounce— reasoning. why did you get into pollrlcelrne— reasoning. why did you get into politics-the-place?- politics in the first place? wnor— politics in the first place? wnor-voo- politics in the first place?i what-you-well politics in the first place?- what-you-well i'll what made you do it? well i'll eon— what made you do it? well i'll eon or— what made you do it? well i'll eon or wenr— what made you do it? well i'll sort of went to— what made you do it? well i'll sort of went to university for veore— sort of went to university for veore-vewe— sort of went to university for. years-years-and years and years and years and lnclollnl— years and years and years and including doing— years and years and years and including doing stuff in nellclne— including doing stuff in medicine as— including doing stuff in medicine as well. 22; medicine as well. so my very interested in your last interview, which was chris smith talking about mrna vaccines and how they'll be able to identify that sort of common dna and rna that sort of common dna and rna that exists in in viruses , but that exists in in viruses, but particularly in flu viruses . is particularly in flu viruses. is but how did i get involved ? so but how did i get involved? so i as but how did i get involved? so i oe voo— but how did i get involved? so i oe vol eoll— but how did i get involved? so i oe voo eoll rn— but how did i get involved? so i as you said in your— but how did i get involved? so i as you said in your introduction , as you said in your introduction i , as you said in your introduction , r eer— as you said in your introduction , r eer op— as you said in your introduction . r eer op rollo— as you said in your introduction , i set up radio and— as you said in your introduction , i set up radio and television erorlone— , i set up radio and television erorlone ,— , i set up radio and television stations , and— , i set up radio and television stations , and it— , i set up radio and television stations , and it was two things stations, and it was two things no— stations, and it was two things no noppenel— stations, and it was two things that happened actually . the that happened actually. the rler— that happened actually. the fire rnlnl— that happened actually. the first thing was— that happened actually. the first thing was that i was over in first thing was that i was over ln ulonlo— first thing was that i was over ln woonlo rn— first thing was that i was over in uganda in kampala, and we conpennl— in uganda in kampala, and we were competing against other cowrneer— were competing against other countries who— were competing against other countries who were also trying to countries who were also trying ro wln— countries who were also trying ro wln rnle— countries who were also trying to win this radio— countries who were also trying to win this radio big radio conrrocr— to win this radio big radio contract there,— to win this radio big radio contract there, which was funded by we — contract there, which was funded by we unrel— contract there, which was funded by the united nations . and i

by the united nations. and i cooll— by the united nations. and i cowl eee— by the united nations. and i could see what— by the united nations. and i could see what the germans were long— could see what the germans were long onl— could see what the germans were long onl r— could see what the germans were doing and i could— could see what the germans were doing and i could see what the arnencone— doing and i could see what the americans and— doing and i could see what the americans and other countries lonl— americans and other countries lolnl onl— americans and other countries were doing and their embassies eovlne— were doing and their embassies were saying, well,— were doing and their embassies were saying, well, if this conponv— were saying, well, if this conponv eele- were saying, well, if this company gets the contract, we wlll— company gets the contract, we wlll voo— company gets the contract, we wlll voo pm..— company gets the contract, we will, you know, give you free elocorlon — will, you know, give you free education in— will, you know, give you free education in germany or america or japan— education in germany or america or lopon or— education in germany or america or japan or whatever. education in germany or america orjapan or whatever. ' 2 or japan or whatever. and i went to orjapan or whatever. and i went lo cle— orjapan or whatever. and i went to the british high commission in kampala , and i didn't get in kampala, and i didn't get very far , actually. and the guy very far, actually. and the guy i very far, actually. and the guy rwoe— very far, actually. and the guy rwoe rolllno— very far, actually. and the guy i was talking to,— very far, actually. and the guy i was talking to, you- 22; 2 and the guy i was talking to, you know, reollv— i was talking to, you know, really didn't— i was talking to, you know, really didn't have much of an lnrereer— really didn't have much of an lnrereer rn— really didn't have much of an interest in those— really didn't have much of an interest in those days. and when i interest in those days. and when r oor— interest in those days. and when r lor lock— interest in those days. and when r oor locl ro— interest in those days. and when i got back to the— interest in those days. and when i got back to the uk, i wrote to my— i got back to the uk, i wrote to my mp_ i got back to the uk, i wrote to my np onl— i got back to the uk, i wrote to my np onl ne— i got back to the uk, i wrote to my mp and he got— i got back to the uk, i wrote to my mp and he got me a meeting wlrn— my mp and he got me a meeting wlrn rne— my mp and he got me a meeting with the trade— my mp and he got me a meeting with the trade minister at that one— with the trade minister at that one onl— with the trade minister at that one onl woe— with the trade minister at that time and was talking to him and was time and was talking to him and ne— time and was talking to him and was he was glazing over, prolollv— was he was glazing over, probably like— was he was glazing over, probably like your viewers are ano— probably like your viewers are anl r— probably like your viewers are now. and i said— probably like your viewers are now. and i said to him, well, you— now. and i said to him, well, you lon-r— now. and i said to him, well, you don't understand anything olow— you don't understand anything olow expon— you don't understand anything about export do— you don't understand anything about export do you? /2»c. 22 about export do you? you're a vol-re— about export do you? you're a vol-re o— about export do you? you're a you're a ruddy barrister. you've never sold anything in wow— you've never sold anything in wow we.— you've never sold anything in wow llre. ano— you've never sold anything in your life. and he— you've never sold anything in your life. and he said , look, your life. and he said, look, lecee— your life. and he said, look, because it's— your life. and he said, look, because it's people like you lecoe— because it's people like you became mps,_ because it's people like you became mps, then perhaps we wooll— became mps, then perhaps we wooll nove— became mps, then perhaps we would have people, you know, who knew— would have people, you know, who knew something— would have people, you know, who knew something about business.

so knew something about business. so rnor— knew something about business. so no woe— knew something about business. so that was the— knew something about business. so that was the first thing that got so that was the first thing that lor ne— so that was the first thing that got me interested— so that was the first thing that got me interested . got me interested. but the eeconl— got me interested. but the second reason was that i also was applying for a radio licence for a commercial radio station in and the chairman of the group was a guy called geoffrey johnson smith, who was an mp and had been a television presenter back in the 50s and the 60 seconds a long time ago. but great guy, and we used- great guy, and we used to have pollrlcol— great guy, and we used to have political discussion runs. ' “2 political discussion runs. and he political discussion runs. and no oleo— political discussion runs. and no oleo owl.— political discussion runs. and he also said, look,— political discussion runs. and he also said, look, you- political discussion runs. and he also said, look, you should actually think sometime of becoming an mp and what happened eventually was that an american company made a bid for my company made a bid for my company and my partner, my business partner became , um, ran business partner became, um, ran a tennis club. he bought a renne— a tennis club. he bought a rennle clw— a tennis club. he bought a tennis club in— 2cc. he bought a tennis club in brighton and i lecoe— tennis club in brighton and i became an mp— tennis club in brighton and i became an mp rather a rather a rorner— became an mp rather a rather a roller on— became an mp rather a rather a rather an involved— became an mp rather a rather a rather an involved sort of explanation— rather an involved sort of explanation ,_ rather an involved sort of explanation , but hope that makes explanation, but hope that makes eon— explanation, but hope that makes eon or— explanation, but hope that makes some sort of sense— explanation, but hope that makes some sort of sense now. \»»2»w some sort of sense now. now, vol-ve— some sort of sense now. now, vol-ve olwove— some sort of sense now. now, you've always been very open about your sexuality and you've come out as being bisexual. i mean, me personally, i don't care what somebody is. they can do whatever they like. it's none

of my business. but for you, has coming out this way affected coming out in this way affected your political career at no your political career at all? no don't think so. i mean, i've not mole— don't think so. i mean, i've not nole onv— don't think so. i mean, i've not nole onv lro— 222“ c i mean, i've not made any big announcement about it, i made any big announcement about n... rnlnl— made any big announcement about n... rnlnl o— made any big announcement about n... rnlnl o lor— made any big announcement about it,-i think a lot of— made any big announcement about it, i think a lot of people it, but i think a lot of people know— it, but i think a lot of people know rnor— it, but i think a lot of people know that i've— it, but i think a lot of people know that i've very know that i've been very rnenllv— know that i've been very friendly for— know that i've been very friendly for 33- know that i've been very friendly for 33 years with andy sneer— friendly for 33 years with andy sneer .— friendly for 33 years with andy street . first— friendly for 33 years with andy street . first of— friendly for 33 years with andy street . first of all, when he street. first of all, when he was a trainee— street. first of all, when he was a trainee at— street. first of all, when he was a trainee at john lewis. rnen— was a trainee at john lewis. rnen ne— was a trainee at john lewis. rnen ne ron— was a trainee at john lewis. then he ran john— was a trainee at john lewis. then he ran john lewis- was a trainee at john lewis. then he ran john lewis and waitrose and then he ended up being mayor of the west midlands. and it's quite funny ocwollv— midlands. and it's quite funny ocwollv now— midlands. and it's quite funny actually how the— midlands. and it's quite funny actually how the two- ll 22 and it's quite funny actually how the two of us have to actually how the two of us have ro noo— actually how the two of us have ro nol rwo— actually how the two of us have ro nol rwo verv— actually how the two of us have to had two very different backgrounds. _ to had two very different backgrounds. was originally from erronron— backgrounds. was originally from nnonron onl— backgrounds. was originally from brighton and worked in radio and he brighton and worked in radio and ne woe— brighton and worked in radio and he was originally— brighton and worked in radio and he was originally from birmingham- he was originally from birmingham and worked in retail and birmingham and worked in retail onl ver— birmingham and worked in retail onl we no— birmingham and worked in retail and yet now he's— birmingham and worked in retail and yet now he's at the west rllllonle— and yet now he's at the west midlands and— and yet now he's at the west midlands and so— and yet now he's at the west midlands and so am i and we're porn— midlands and so am i and we're lorn rnor— midlands and so am i and we're both that dreaded— midlands and so am i and we're both that dreaded word. politician.— both that dreaded word. politician. i— both that dreaded word. politician. i hate that. i prefer— politician. i hate that. i prefer one— politician. i hate that. i prefer the americans. politician. i hate that. i prefer the americans who always talk about legislators . now, talk about legislators. now, listen, michael, i've- 22 now, listen, michael, i've got to ask vow— listen, michael, i've got to ask voe. rn— listen, michael, i've got to ask voe. rn weorlne— listen, michael, i've got to ask you. i'm wearing a— listen, michael, i've got to ask you. i'm wearing a wig. are you 7 you. i'm wearing a wig. are you l we— you. i'm wearing a wig. are you l we, rle— you. i'm wearing a wig. are you l we, we nor.— you. i'm wearing a wig. are you ? no, it's not. so— you. i'm wearing a wig. are you ? no, it's not. so because you roll— ? no, it's not. so because you roll ne— ? no, it's not. so because you told me before— ? no, it's not. so because you told me before that that you collel— told me before that that you collel lr— told me before that that you called it enhancements . you'd called it enhancements. you'd enleroone— called it enhancements. you'd undergone enhancements of the

rolllcelw— undergone enhancements of the follicular area.— undergone enhancements of the follicular area. what does that e — follicular area. what does that l rc— follicular area. what does that mean ? it means— follicular area. what does that mean ? it means it's- follicular area. what does that mean ? c c mean? it means it's follicular enhanced. that's mean? it means it's follicular enhanced . that's it? yeah. it's enhanced. that's it? yeah. it's leer— enhanced. that's it? yeah. it's leer o— enhanced. that's it? yeah. it's leer o corner— enhanced. that's it? yeah. it's leer o r— enhanced. that's it? yeah. it's just a corner. i love— enhanced. that's it? yeah. it's just a corner. i love it- 2“22 that's it? yeah. it's just a corner. i love it . \»»2;e

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latest news headlines . c2 latest news headlines. good ollerneen. — latest news headlines. good afternoon. it's— latest news headlines. good afternoon. it's 4:00. i'm ray addison in the gb news room. the prime minister has chaired an emergency cobra meeting as fierce fighting in sudan enters its second week, government forces are battling with a paramilitary group over control of the capital khartoum . sudan's of the capital khartoum. sudan's military claims foreign nationals and diplomats, including those from the uk, us, france and china, are to be evacuated . the world health evacuated. the world health organisation says more than 400 people have been killed and thousand thousands injured since the violence began . the snp has the violence began. the snp has oppolnrel— the violence began. the snp has oppolnrel slowl— . 2 2“ the snp has appointed stuart mcdonald as the party's— appointed stuart mcdonald as the porrv-e ne— appointed stuart mcdonald as the party's new treasurer, following the resignation— party's new treasurer, following the resignation of— party's new treasurer, following the resignation of msp colin lewne. — the resignation of msp colin lewne. n.— the resignation of msp colin beattie. m2 2 2 2 beattie. mr beattie stepped down after he was arrested by police investigating snp finances. he was later released without charge. the party's former chief executive, peter murrell, who is also nicola sturgeon's husband ,

also nicola sturgeon's husband, was also arrested and questioned before being released. police are investigating the use of £600,000 in donations meant for the indian tendance referendum . the indian tendance referendum. a serving member of the british armed forces has appeared in court charged with offences under the official secrets act. 36 year old thomas newson is accused of sharing highly sensitive military information . sensitive military information. he's alleged to have shared a ten page document through social media to two senior officers who had clearance and one civilian who did not. prosecutors claim if the information was leaked, it would have caused a real and immediate threat to british people outside of the united kingdom . he's due in court again kingdom. he's due in court again on friday. the family of stephen lawrence have held a memorial service in trafalgar square to mark the 30th anniversary of his murder . the mark the 30th anniversary of his murder. the 18 year old was killed in a racist attack while waiting for a bus in south—east

london. it's alleged that the original investigation was hindered by racism and police corruption, meaning it took almost 20 years for two of his killers to face justice. as mayor of london, sadiq khan has said it's a day to celebrate the work of the lawrence family . work of the lawrence family. we're here today to celebrate and remember stephen lawrence's life , his legacy , but also the life, his legacy, but also the extra ordinary work that's taken place by his family. doreen lawrence by their team to address the issues of equality , address the issues of equality, diversity and inclusion in late labour have condemned dominic raabs behaviour since his resignation yesterday as appalling , saying he shouldn't appalling, saying he shouldn't be blaming his accusers for his downfall. the former deputy prime minister resigned after an investigation upheld two of the bullying allegations made against him. mr raab claims a minority of those within whitehall are quote effectively

trying to block government. shadow health minister andrew gwynne told us those who've blown the whistle have a right to do so . why the prime to do so. why the prime rllnlerer,— to do so. why the prime minister, who— 22 why the prime minister, who will have known olow— minister, who will have known olow rneee— minister, who will have known about these allegations, they werenr— about these allegations, they weren't a secret,— about these allegations, they weren't a secret, sought to oppolnr— weren't a secret, sought to oppolnr nln— weren't a secret, sought to appoint him to— weren't a secret, sought to appoint him to the second most senior position— appoint him to the second most senior position in— appoint him to the second most senior position in government as eepew— senior position in government as pepwv enme— senior position in government as deputy prime minister. but also why— deputy prime minister. but also wnv ne— deputy prime minister. but also why ne llln-r— deputy prime minister. but also why he didn't sack dominic raab on recelvlno— why he didn't sack dominic raab on receiving this— why he didn't sack dominic raab on receiving this report , why he on receiving this report, why he ollowel— on receiving this report, why he allowed dominic— on receiving this report, why he allowed dominic raab to leave on his allowed dominic raab to leave on we on— allowed dominic raab to leave on we rerne— allowed dominic raab to leave on his own terms and— allowed dominic raab to leave on his own terms and worst of all, loelllne— his own terms and worst of all, doubling down— his own terms and worst of all, doubling down on— his own terms and worst of all, doubling down on the whistleblowers, on the victims . whistleblowers, on the victims. i whistleblowers, on the victims. r rnlnl— whistleblowers, on the victims. r rnlnl rnor— whistleblowers, on the victims. i think that that— whistleblowers, on the victims. i think that that letter that eonlnlc— i think that that letter that dominic raab— i think that that letter that dominic raab produced in his reelenorlon— dominic raab produced in his resignation was— dominic raab produced in his resignation was quite frankly oppolllno— resignation was quite frankly oppolllno onl— resignation was quite frankly appalling and showed no humility and appalling and showed no humility onl no— appalling and showed no humility and no contrition_ appalling and showed no humility and no contrition ._ appalling and showed no humility and no contrition . the cbi has and no contrition. the cbi has eeepenlel— and no contrition. the cbi has suspended all— and no contrition. the cbi has suspended all policy and membership— suspended all policy and membership activity after allegations— membership activity after allegations of— membership activity after allegations of rape and sexual oeeoelr— allegations of rape and sexual assault prompted— allegations of rape and sexual assault prompted some of its llooeer— assault prompted some of its llooeer nonee— assault prompted some of its biggest names to quit. l biggest names to quit. dozens of members, including john lewis, natwest , jaguar, land rover and natwest, jaguar, land rover and bt , have pulled out of the trade

bt, have pulled out of the trade body. bt, have pulled out of the trade body . the cbi says it shares the body. the cbi says it shares the shock and revulsion over the allegations , runs and tributes allegations, runs and tributes have poured in for australian entertainer barry humphries, who has died at the age of 89 during a seven decade career. he was best known for his alter egos, including dame edna everage and sir les patterson. actor jason donovan described him as an entertaining genius and the australian prime minister, anthony albanese , paid tribute anthony albanese, paid tribute to him as the brownite star in a galaxy of personas. he died in hospital surrounded by his family . this is gb news. we'll family. this is gb news. we'll bnng family. this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now let's get back to nana . now let's get back to nana. good afternoon. it's fast opproocnlne.— good afternoon. it's fast approaching. six- c2 it's fast approaching. six minutes after ..aa._ approaching. six minutes after

ecoe. rnle— approaching. six minutes after ecoe. we re— approaching. six minutes after 4:00. this is gb— approaching. six minutes after 4:00. this is gb news on tv onllne— 4:00. this is gb news on tv onllne onl— 4:00. this is gb news on tv online and on— 4:00. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm wono— online and on digital radio. i'm wono oleo.— online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. another one bites the leer.— nana akua. another one bites the leer. joe— nana akua. another one bites the leer. roe leer— nana akua. another one bites the dust. joe just when— nana akua. another one bites the dust. joe just when it seemed wor— dust. joe just when it seemed no new — dust. joe just when it seemed that rishi sunak— dust. joe just when it seemed that rishi sunak was making headway— that rishi sunak was making headway ne— that rishi sunak was making headway, he appears to be taking two headway, he appears to be taking rwo erepe— headway, he appears to be taking rwo erepe lock— headway, he appears to be taking two steps back in— headway, he appears to be taking two steps back in allowing eonlnlc— two steps back in allowing dominic raab— two steps back in allowing dominic raab to resign in what looke— dominic raab to resign in what loole ro— dominic raab to resign in what loole ro ne— dominic raab to resign in what looks to me like— dominic raab to resign in what looks to me like an attack by a low— looks to me like an attack by a lool or— looks to me like an attack by a lool or woke— looks to me like an attack by a load of woke civil— looks to me like an attack by a load of woke civil servants nelllenr— load of woke civil servants hellbent on _ load of woke civil servants hellbent on his— load of woke civil servants hellbent on his removal. rishi noe— hellbent on his removal. rishi noe enown— hellbent on his removal. rishi has shown himself to be weak . has shown himself to be weak. veererlov,— has shown himself to be weak. yesterday, deputy— has shown himself to be weak. yesterday, deputy prime minister eonlnlc— yesterday, deputy prime minister eonlnlc lool— yesterday, deputy prime minister dominic raab hung up his ministerial— dominic raab hung up his ministerial boots to languish on the ministerial boots to languish on we lock— ministerial boots to languish on the back benches.— ministerial boots to languish on the back benches. why because a group— the back benches. why because a weep or— the back benches. why because a group or clvll— the back benches. why because a group of civil servants claimed rnor— group of civil servants claimed rnor ne-e— group of civil servants claimed we we o— group of civil servants claimed that he's a bully.— group of civil servants claimed that he's a bully. the criticisms— that he's a bully. the criticisms against him ranged from— criticisms against him ranged from one— criticisms against him ranged from one person— criticisms against him ranged from one person not being named wnen— from one person not being named wnen ne— from one person not being named wnen ne proleel— from one person not being named when he praised them all for long— when he praised them all for long o— when he praised them all for lolno o lool— when he praised them all for lolno o lool job— when he praised them all for doing a good job to saying a clvll— doing a good job to saying a civil servant— doing a good job to saying a civil servant to— doing a good job to saying a civil servant to a— doing a good job to saying a civil servant to a civil eervonr. — civil servant to a civil servant. there's no point eelllnl— servant. there's no point sulking about- servant. there's no point sulking about it. however listen to sulking about it. however listen ro eoe— sulking about it. however listen ro or— sulking about it. however listen to some of the— sulking about it. however listen to some of the allegations ololner— to some of the allegations against him. _ to some of the allegations against him. »2»�*”2. to some of the allegations against him. 2»�*”2. against him. some officials who had to work with dominic raab were offered therapy behaviour was described as nasty , horrible was described as nasty, horrible and manip lviv. i saw him

eeernlnl— and manip lviv. i saw him eeernlnl or— and manip lviv. i saw him seething at other- 5“2 . . isaw him seething at other senior people all seething at other senior people oll norl— seething at other senior people all hard staring— seething at other senior people all hard staring at you . 2 all hard staring at you. cold fury-— all hard staring at you. cold fury- rl— all hard staring at you. cold lwv. l we— all hard staring at you. cold fury. it was pretty— all hard staring at you. cold fury. it was pretty sinister and raising his voice. lots of it was is raising his voice. lots of it le wnor— raising his voice. lots of it was is what i'd— “2 “ 2.2 lots of it was is what i'd describe as microaggressions. 3:22 “52 microaggressions. we've had reperle— microaggressions. we've had reports of civil servants burst into tears before and after meetings , civil servants meetings, civil servants actually being physically sick because of the fear . because of the fear. allegations about- allegations about civil because of the fear. - allegations about civil servants lelnl— allegations about civil servants lelnl roo— allegations about civil servants being too scared— allegations about civil servants being too scared to go into his office — being too scared to go into his office rven— being too scared to go into his office. even the— being too scared to go into his office. even the rather notorious claim that he once got so angry in a meeting that he threw a tomato from a pretzel at someone. oh, threw a tomato from a pretzel at someone . oh, for goodness. do someone. oh, for goodness. do vow— someone. oh, for goodness. do vow reeeorcn— someone. oh, for goodness. do vow reeeorcn .— someone. oh, for goodness. do your research . that's- oh, for goodness. do your research . that's just not your research. that's just not nee.— your research. that's just not rree. ne— your research. that's just not true. he talked— your research. that's just not true. he talked about that later on. true. he talked about that later rn— true. he talked about that later rn loco— true. he talked about that later on. in fact, the— true. he talked about that later on. in fact, the person who clolnel— on. in fact, the person who claimed that— on. in fact, the person who claimed that got in trouble. lpporenrlv— claimed that got in trouble. lppwenrlv one— claimed that got in trouble. apparently one of the complaints was apparently one of the complaints rnor— apparently one of the complaints was that dominic— apparently one of the complaints was that dominic wanted oeeerlone— was that dominic wanted questions answered questions to be answered llrecrlv— questions to be answered directly and— questions to be answered directly and-a- directly and in a straightforward manner. and directly and in a— straightforward manner. and that he straightforward manner. and that ne lnrerreprel— straightforward manner. and that he interrupted the answers when people— he interrupted the answers when people-oreenl— he interrupted the answers when people around houses. people went around the houses. well— people went around the houses. well n— people went around the houses. well n ne-e— people went around the houses. well, if he's guilty, then so am i. i well, if he's guilty, then so am l r con-r— well, if he's guilty, then so am i. i can't stand— well, if he's guilty, then so am i. i can't stand it— well, if he's guilty, then so am i. i can't stand it when people wonle— i. i can't stand it when people waffle-nothing- i. i can't stand it when people waffle nothing evading. waffle on about nothing evading. acreollv— waffle on about nothing evading. actually answering the question or gene— actually answering the question or oolno-roneenr- actually answering the question or oolno-ronoenr .- actually answering the question or going tangent . they or going on a tangent. they clolnel— or going on a tangent. they claimed criticism was claimed his criticism was unconstructive- claimed his criticism was unconstructive because he

lnrerreprel— unconstructive because he interrupted them. does that eoenl— interrupted them. does that eoenl llle— interrupted them. does that sound like high— interrupted them. does that sound like high level bullying to sound like high level bullying ro vow— sound like high level bullying ro vow lr— sound like high level bullying to you? it sounds— sound like high level bullying to you? it sounds like a pretty low— to you? it sounds like a pretty low-ro— to you? it sounds like a pretty low-re ne— to you? it sounds like a pretty low-re ne .— to you? it sounds like a pretty low-to me . and- to you? it sounds like a pretty low to me . and given that low bar to me. and given that or— low bar to me. and given that or we— low bar to me. and given that some of the allegations against nln— some of the allegations against nln noppenel— some of the allegations against him happened about two and a non— him happened about two and a halflover_ him happened about two and a half-over four— him happened about two and a half over four years ago, half to over four years ago, wnlcn— half to over four years ago, which would— half to over four years ago, which would be— half to over four years ago, which would be dismissed in an enplovnenr— which would be dismissed in an enplovnenr-ror- which would be dismissed in an employment for being employment tribunal for being too employment tribunal for being roe-onl— employment tribunal for being roe-onl rnor— employment tribunal for being too and that were all too old and that they were all lroeenr—on- too old and that they were all. brought—on-same brought against him on the same day. — brought against him on the same day. it— brought against him on the same day. n-be— brought against him on the same day. n-be fair— brought against him on the same day. it-be fair to- brought against him on the same day. it be fair to say day. it would be fair to say that— day. it would be fair to say that there— day. it would be fair to say that there appears be a level that there appears to be a level of that there appears to be a level of-,_ that there appears to be a level of-, given— that there appears to be a level of-, given the- that there appears to be a level of , given the nature of collusion, given the nature of collusion, given the nature of the— of collusion, given the nature tt tte ttttng— of collusion, given the nature of the filing of— of collusion, given the nature of the filing of the complaints . tn— of the filing of the complaints . tn tn— of the filing of the complaints . in an interview— of the filing of the complaints . in an interview with gb news wttt— . in an interview with gb news wttt out— . in an interview with gb news wttt vett— . in an interview with gb news with our very own— . in an interview with gb news with our very own olivia utley oomtntt— with our very own olivia utley otmtntt tatt— with our very own olivia utley dominic said this— with our very own olivia utley dominic said this about the press— dominic said this about the process . well,— dominic said this about the process . dominic said this about the process. well, look, i think the process. well, look, i think the process and the system of deaung process and the system of dealing with these complaints was there when he arrived. there was there when he arrived. there was obviously no inaya dependent ethics adviser. and i think , you ethics adviser. and i think, you know, people would have been very surprised if the reform first reform he did as he came into government was something along would have along those lines. it would have i think that would i don't think that would have sent right message. and he sent the right message. and he had to deal with the rules and the were place. the process that were in place. i would anyone take i mean, why would anyone take the trut— i mean, why would anyone take the stud treet— i mean, why would anyone take the crud that was— i mean, why would anyone take the crud that was coming out of the crud that was coming out of tree—mouthe- the civil servants mouth? seriously?— the civil servants mouth? seriously? sounds more like

peepte— seriously? sounds more like. peepte—teettrps people who have hurty feelings teetuse— people who have hurty feelings because they're _ people who have hurty feelings because they're poor or inadequate— because they're poor or inadequate .- because they're poor or inadequate . quit work was pulled inadequate. quit work was pulled up-we-re— inadequate. quit work was pulled up-we-re rew— inadequate. quit work was pulled up-we're now out— inadequate. quit work was pulled up we're now out to get him. up and we're now out to get him. he etttet— up and we're now out to get him. he called them— up and we're now out to get him. he called them act— up and we're now out to get him. he called them act of his civil servants— he called them act of his civil servants ts— he called them act of his civil servants as most— he called them act of his civil servants as most countries would die servants as most countries would tte ter— servants as most countries would tte ter putte— servants as most countries would die for public servants that pet— die for public servants that get or— die for public servants that we've got or a— die for public servants that we've got or a democracy. the way— we've got or a democracy. the war that— we've got or a democracy. the way that were— we've got or a democracy. the way that we've got. but there has been a subtle shift over time and you are seeing more as i put it, activist civil servants . if you've called for servants. if you've called for an independent process, which i did , and i've been very clear, did, and i've been very clear, if there was a finding or an adverse finding against me, i resign. i'm not going to then complain about the referee. what i'm is structurally i'm just doing is structurally and i think it's acknowledged by the minister the prime minister today, pointing the system pointing out that the system is flawed. i pointing out that the system is flawed . i mean, seriously, he flawed. i mean, seriously, he sett— flawed. i mean, seriously, he sttt tre— flawed. i mean, seriously, he said the system— flawed. i mean, seriously, he said the system is— : i mean, seriously, he said the system is flawed. i , r— said the system is flawed. i mean , i feel— said the system is flawed. i mean , i feel sorry for him, mean, i feel sorry for him, trtrtty— mean, i feel sorry for him, trtrtty . — mean, i feel sorry for him, frankly . thank- mean, i feel sorry for him, frankly . “as?" mean, i feel sorry for him, frankly . trig mean, i feel sorry for him,- frankly . thank you very much. frankly. thank you very much. just one final question . did you just one final question. did you throw the tomatoes ? yes. so did throw the tomatoes? yes. so did he throw the tomato? with it, we've addressed— he throw the tomato? with it, we've addressed that,- , with it, we've addressed that, rob, going on we've addressed that, rob, going or re—

we've addressed that, rob, going or tr ttts— we've addressed that, rob, going on in this manner— we've addressed that, rob, going on in this manner ._ we've addressed that, rob, going on in this manner. i mean, serteustp— on in this manner. i mean, serteusty, rt— on in this manner. i mean, seriously, it is— on in this manner. i mean, seriously, it is quite dangerous,- seriously, it is quite dangerous, isn't it, this sort seriously, it is quite da precedent;n't it, this sort seriously, it is quite da precedent that's this sort seriously, it is quite da precedent that's been;ort seriously, it is quite da precedent that's been set , of precedent that's been set, ureteetet— of precedent that's been set, unelected activists, civil servants— unelected activists, civil servants can— unelected activists, civil servants can on a unelected activists, civil- servants can-on a cabinet servants can knock on a cabinet mtrtster-s— servants can knock on a cabinet mtrtster-s teet— servants can knock on a cabinet minister's door-this- minister's door with this crowd erst— minister's door with this crowd art—trem — minister's door with this crowd and from perfectly and oust them from perfectly teeerrt— and oust them from perfectly teeerrt pest.— and oust them from perfectly decent post. perhaps they don't ute— decent post. perhaps they don't ttte tre— decent post. perhaps they don't like the policies.— decent post. perhaps they don't like the policies. and worse stttt— like the policies. and worse stttt, ttts— like the policies. and worse still, this may— like the policies. and worse still, this may have serious implications— still, this may have serious implications government implications for the government being— implications for the government tetrp—wtttl being able to press ahead with trees— being able to press ahead with ideas-stopping— being able to press ahead with ideas stopping the boats. ideas like stopping the boats. i ttts— ideas like stopping the boats. i mean, this could— ideas like stopping the boats. i mean, this could mean that tettvtst— mean, this could mean thati activist—civil activist elements of the civil serrtee — activist elements of the civil serrtee tet — activist elements of the civil serrtee ted by— activist elements of the civil service led by unions who could mete— service led by unions who could make concerted— service led by unions who could make concerted -to - service led by unions who could make concerted to bring make concerted efforts to bring town— make concerted efforts to bring down—ministers- down government ministers teerse— down government ministers because disagreed with the because they disagreed with the gseents— because they disagreed with the government's ideology. i mean, ernsn— tnts- government's ideology. i mean,l can _on this question government's ideology. i mean, can asked on this question government's ideology. i mean, can asked aboutn this question government's ideology. i mean, can asked about theis question government's ideology. i mean, can asked about the tomatoes,| being asked about the tomatoes, it being asked about the tomatoes, tt wes— being asked about the tomatoes, it was ridiculous— being asked about the tomatoes, it was ridiculous ._ being asked about the tomatoes, it was ridiculous . we are all in it was ridiculous. we are all in trsrtte— it was ridiculous. we are all in trsrtte rt— it was ridiculous. we are all in trouble if this— it was ridiculous. we are all in trouble if this is— it was ridiculous. we are all in trouble if this is if— it was ridiculous. we are all in trouble if this is if it is this erst— trouble if this is if it is this easy ts— trouble if this is if it is this easy ts eet— trouble if this is if it is this easy to get rid— trouble if this is if it is this easy to get rid of our elected psttttetrns— easy to get rid of our elected psttttetrns .— easy to get rid of our elected politicians . right before we get politicians. right before we get stret— politicians. right before we get stret tnts— politicians. right before we get stuck into the— politicians. right before we get stuck into the debate. here's wnrt— stuck into the debate. here's wnrt etse— stuck into the debate. here's wnrt etse ts— stuck into the debate. here's what else is coming up today. net,— what else is coming up today. pru, tsr— what else is coming up today. first, for the— what else is coming up today. first, for the great british tetrte— first, for the great british debate-hour,- first, for the great british debate hour, i'm asking, debate this hour, i'm asking, snsrtt—tel should the nurses strike be deemed— should the nurses strike be deemed-health- should the nurses strike be deemed health secretary deemed illegal health secretary stewe— deemed illegal health secretary stewe trretrr— deemed illegal health secretary steve barclay legal steve barclay is taking legal rettsn— steve barclay is taking legal action against— steve barclay is taking legal action against the royal college of action against the royal college st-ts— action against the royal college st-ts tw— action against the royal college st-ts trr tnt— action against the royal college of-to try and block- action against the royal college of to try and block the of nursing to try and block the seesnt— of nursing to try and block the seesnt try— of nursing to try and block the second day-their— of nursing to try and block the second day their up and

second day of their up and esntng— second day of their up and coming-strike- second day of their up and coming strike and second day of their up and- coming-strike and that coming two day strike and that is, coming two day strike and that ts rs— coming two day strike and that ts rs tne— coming two day strike and that ts rs tne ten— coming two day strike and that is, as the rcn have dubbed the move, a blatant— is, as the rcn have dubbed the move, a blatant threat. at 450 its move, a blatant threat. at 450 tts rsrrt— move, a blatant threat. at 450 its royal roundup— move, a blatant threat. at 450 its royal roundup and royal ttsorrpner— its royal roundup and royal biographer be biographer angela levin will be live biographer angela levin will be wwe—ts— biographer angela levin will be wwe—ts give- biographer angela levin will be live—to give me. live in the studio to give me all live in the studio to give me rtt-trtest— live in the studio to give me all-latest from - live in the studio to give me all latest from behind all the latest from behind the prtree— all the latest from behind the prtree-ant— all the latest from behind the palace and week, palace walls. and this week, trettnotrn — buckingham palace released the last buckingham palace released the test-pnstsgrrpn- buckingham palace released the last photograph of the last official photograph of the tate— last official photograph of the rate—tr- last official photograph of the rate—tr nerl late queen surrounded by her great— late queen surrounded by her great grandchildren to mark what wsrtt—tttn- great grandchildren to mark what would 97th birthday. would have been a 97th birthday. tsne— would have been a 97th birthday. ssne pespte— would have been a 97th birthday. ssne pespte rte— would have been a 97th birthday. some people are missing. are some people are missing. who are tnere— some people are missing. who are tnere-tnen— some people are missing. who are tnewe-tnen rt— some people are missing. who are they?-then at five,— some people are missing. who are they? then at five, it's they? and then at five, it's tnts— they? and then at five, it's this-difficult- this week's difficult conversation . today marks the conversation. today marks the set— conversation. today marks the tern—st— conversation. today marks the 30th _of stephen l 30th anniversary of stephen. lawrence's_ special lawrence's death with a special nensnrt— lawrence's death with a special memorial taking— lawrence's death with a special memorial taking place to commemorate— memorial taking place to commemorate his life . then this commemorate his life. then this ween— commemorate his life. then this week, esntno— commemorate his life. then this week, esntno rp— commemorate his life. then this week, coming up for my difficult conversation, dr.— week, coming up for my difficult conversation, dr. mark prince str— conversation, dr. mark prince stt wttt— conversation, dr. mark prince stt wttt te— conversation, dr. mark prince obe will be joining me live in the obe will be joining me live in tne strtts— obe will be joining me live in the studio to— obe will be joining me live in the studio to discuss his very own experience— the studio to discuss his very own experience with knife crime rnrrst — own experience with knife crime rnrrst rt— own experience with knife crime rnrrst rt rest— own experience with knife crime marks. 15 year old— own experience with knife crime marks. 15 year old son was trtrttr— marks. 15 year old son was fatally stabbed— marks. 15 year old son was fatally stabbed to death outside his fatally stabbed to death outside nts-rttenpttno- fatally stabbed to death outside his-attempting to - fatally stabbed to death outside his attempting to break his school attempting to break up a— his school attempting to break rp r tent.— his school attempting to break rp r tent. wsw— his school attempting to break up a fight. now mark has devoted his up a fight. now mark has devoted nts tre— up a fight. now mark has devoted nts ttte tnt— up a fight. now mark has devoted his life and work— up a fight. now mark has devoted his life and work to— up a fight. now mark has devoted his life and work to getting tntwes— his life and work to getting tntwes str— his life and work to getting knives off our— his life and work to getting knives off our streets . that's knives off our streets. that's all knives off our streets. that's rtt sn — knives off our streets. that's rtt sn tne — knives off our streets. that's all on the way— knives off our streets. that's all on the way in— knives off our streets. that's all on the way in the next hour. tetr— all on the way in the next hour. tett ne— all on the way in the next hour. tett ne wnrt— all on the way in the next hour. tell me what you— all on the way in the next hour. tell me what you think on ewerrtntne— tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. you tell me what you think on evelemail we're discussing. you tell me what you think on evelemail gbviews@gbnews.uk or can email gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet— can email gbviews@gbnews.uk or

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he's a tory and he's like and he's deputy prime minister doesn't he's not that doesn't mean that he's not that he's he hasn't done it he's, that he hasn't done it just because appears on just because he appears on television goes, it's television and goes, oh, it's all etcetera, all something else, etcetera, and whip up some sort and trying to whip up some sort of doesn't and trying to whip up some sort of that doesn't and trying to whip up some sort of that meanrn't and trying to whip up some sort of that mean that it's mean that doesn't mean that it's not real. what about okay, so wnrt— not real. what about okay, so wnrt-tne— not real. what about okay, so what-the fact- not real. what about okay, so what-the fact that- ”c? what about okay, so what the fact that some of what about the fact that some of the allegations— what about the fact that some of the allegations were four and a nett— the allegations were four and a net tnt— the allegations were four and a net ant-tnt— the allegations were four and a half and and years half and two and a half years old— half and two and a half years old,_allegations| half and two and a half years old, presented allegations half and two and a half years old, presented onllegations half and two and a half years old, presented on the ations half and two and a half years old, presented on the same day were presented on the same day tseetner— were presented on the same day together collectively. so there was_ a concerted i was a there was a concerted ensn— was a there was a concerted ettsn-ersrp— was a there was a concerted ettsrt-orsrp st- was a there was a concerted effort group of people to effort by a group of people to present—wett- effort by a group of people to present well, that present this thing. well, that esrtt—ts- present this thing. well, thati esrtt—ts-ws, could well be to do with. no, ns-ns — could well be to do with. no, ns-ns -trt- could well be to do with. no, no,-no. -but-see.| no, no, no. but but let's see. ant— no, no, no. but but let's see. ant rtss— no, no, no. but but let's see. ant nss-st— no, no, no. but but let's see. and also-of the- no, no, no. but but let's see. and also of the allegations and also some of the allegations like and also some of the allegations ttte tne— and also some of the allegations like the throwing— and also some of the allegations like the throwing of tomatoes prswet— like the throwing of tomatoes proved completely rubbish. proved to be completely rubbish. but proved to be completely rubbish. trt—rt— proved to be completely rubbish. trt—rt - proved to be completely rubbish. but—it was. butl but it was rubbish. it was. but it's but it was rubbish. it was. but tt-s—wten- it's like for example, when somebody has been accused of sexual misconduct, sometimes people sit on it for a while because they don't want to say anything. they're afraid for theirjob. so mean, theirjob. so i mean, but there's lies to it. there there's lies added to it. there is strength. there was strength in numbers. and the bottom in numbers. and at the bottom line, raab said that line, dominic raab said that if any if any the complaints any of if any of the complaints were and two of were were upheld and two of them were out would out of eight, then he would resign. has resigned. but resign. so he has resigned. but he's but he's resigned in a he's but he's resigned in such a in like a gnarly way, in such a like a gnarly way,

like, you know, basically being claiming he's the victim . i claiming that he's the victim. i mean, very trumpian. the mean, it's very trumpian. the findings were they findings were such that they tttn-t— findings were such that they tttn-t retur— findings were such that they didn't really specifically think he didn't really specifically think ne-trttr— didn't really specifically think ne-trttr ,_ didn't really specifically think ne-trttr , trt- didn't really specifically think he bully , but they felt he was a bully, but they felt net—anyway- he was a bully, but they felt ne-t—tnrwtr i he was a bully, but they felt. he'd—anyway . what he was a bully, but they felt- he'd_anyway . what do he'd have to go anyway. what do you he'd have to go anyway. what do rsr-ttzztee— he'd have to go anyway. what do you-lizzie? well,- he'd have to go anyway. what do you lizzie? well, let's you think, lizzie? well, let's be you think, lizzie? well, let's te nsnest. — you think, lizzie? well, let's be honest. rob— you think, lizzie? well, let's be honest. rob is- you think, lizzie? well, let's be honest. t g be honest. rob is forthright. rob blunt . be honest. rob is forthright. rob blunt. but rob a bully? rob is blunt. but rob a bully? no, he is not. and this was decided. i'm sorry, by a kangaroo court. decided. i'm sorry, by a kangaroo court . and that's being kangaroo court. and that's being unfair to kangaroos . i know. unfair to kangaroos. i know. look mr tolly concluded that rob had never in four and a half years sworn he'd never physically intimate , dated physically intimate, dated anyone nor intentionally sought to belittle anyone . so here we to belittle anyone. so here we have a brilliant minister that's been brought down by snowflake civil servants and i'm sorry, as maggie thatcher said, advisers are to advise ministers to decide. and now we have the civil servants ruling the roost. and i think it's a very sad day. you know what i'm upset about that rishi didn't stick up for this man who has been by his

side, his greatest ally, and aide. the tories have lost a big beast now who has now gone to the backbenches as he was foreign secretary. brexit secretary, justice secretary twice deputy remember through covid and this big experience has now left the government and rishi has yet again thrown under the bus to save himself. he should have rolled up his sleeves and fought for him and said, no, you're not going because he sat on this report. 24 hours. he could have seen that this was unjust. well, the problem that this was unjust. well, the prstten wttn— that this was unjust. well, the problem with it— that this was unjust. well, the problem with it as— that this was unjust. well, the problem with it as well- l. well, the problem with it as well is that tsntnte— problem with it as well is that dominic raab— problem with it as well is that dominic raab was in the midst of tsts— dominic raab was in the midst of tsts st— dominic raab was in the midst of lots of-important_ dominic raab was in the midst of lots of important policies lots of very important policies tnt— lots of very important policies ant-st— lots of very important policies ant-st ssn- lots of very important policies and-of sort-cycle. and this sort of sort of cycle of and this sort of sort of cycle st nswnt— and this sort of sort of cycle of moving deckchairs and people ssn— of moving deckchairs and people ssrt st— of moving deckchairs and people ssn st jumping— of moving deckchairs and people sort of jumping off board to a tttterent— sort of jumping off board to a different—theyl different bit means that they stan— different bit means that they stat-tnt— different bit means that they start-and then- different bit means that they start and then they start start again and then they start twetttnt— start again and then they start twetttnt ttts— start again and then they start tweaking bits that he's done and so tweaking bits that he's done and ss-tets— tweaking bits that he's done and ss-tets tsne— tweaking bits that he's done and so _gets done. and - tweaking bits that he's done and so gets done. and i'm so nothing gets done. and i'm tsret— so nothing gets done. and i'm tsret st— so nothing gets done. and i'm tsret st ttt— so nothing gets done. and i'm bored of all this. _ so nothing gets done. and i'm bored of all this. he said that. sne— bored of all this. he said that. sne-tntt— bored of all this. he said that. she-that and— bored of all this. he said that. she-that and the- bored of all this. he said that. she that and the fact that she said that and the fact that it she said that and the fact that tt—st— she said that and the fact that tt—st etwt- she said that and the fact that it _of civil servantsl it was a load of civil servants tttn— it was a load of civil servants tern-tre— it was a load of civil servants again are unelected, the again who are unelected, by the way,— again who are unelected, by the war, tnt— again who are unelected, by the wry, tnt tne— again who are unelected, by the way, and the civil— again who are unelected, by the way, and the civil servants. it wsnt— way, and the civil servants. it wasn't even dominic actually ssrt— wasn't even dominic actually sttt tnrt— wasn't even dominic actually said thatlwasn't- wasn't even dominic actually said that wasn't younger said that it wasn't the younger etwt— said that it wasn't the younger civil-because- said that it wasn't the younger. civil-because-we civil servants, because when we str— civil servants, because when we saw warrior... — civil servants, because when we

say wallflower, always think say wallflower, we always think it's say wallflower, we always think tt-s—tne — say wallflower, we always think tt-s—tne rsrnterl say wallflower, we always think it's the the younger say wallflower, we always think it's the genthe younger say wallflower, we always think it's the gen the yeah,;er people, the gen zs yeah, but wntt— people, the gen zs yeah, but wntt-wts— people, the gen zs yeah, but what was actually it was what he said was actually it was ssneltne— what he said was actually it was some-the ones— what he said was actually it was some-the ones that- what he said was actually it was some the ones that been some of the ones that have been tnere— some of the ones that have been tnere tst— some of the ones that have been tnere tsr r— some of the ones that have been there for a long— some of the ones that have been there for a long time who then trsrtnt— there for a long time who then trsrtnt ss— there for a long time who then trsront ss ts— there for a long time who then brought so to agenda . yeah, brought so to me, agenda. yeah, okav- — brought so to me, agenda. yeah, okav- -tsttsnr— brought so to me, agenda. yeah, okay. -bottom agenda- brought so to me, agenda. yeah, okay. -bottom agenda ,- brought so to me, agenda. yeah, okay. d okay. but bottom agenda, you must admit bottom line is it's the it's the third senior the third it's the third senior minister that has lost in minister that rishi has lost in six months and i and i and i agree with you, nana and both of you like this shows weakness on rishi on on rishi's part. and at a time when-supposed- rishi on on rishi's part. and at a time when-supposed toi rishi on on rishi's part. and at. a time when-supposed to be a time when he's supposed to be trttttnt— a time when he's supposed to be truths—rp- a time when he's supposed to be trttttnt—rp. on- building back trust up. oh, est,— building back trust up. oh, est-tre- building back trust up. oh, look,-are.-we building back trust up. oh,- look,-are.-we have. look, here we are. here we have. were— look, here we are. here we have. were-tttn— look, here we are. here we have. we-we-ttttn tt— look, here we are. here we have. we've-again at the- look, here we are. here we have. we've again at the front we've lost it again at the front page— we've lost it again at the front page st— we've lost it again at the front page st even— we've lost it again at the front page of every single newspaper. we've lost it again at the front page tnotvery single newspaper. we've lost it again at the front page tnot talkinggle newspaper. we've lost it again at the front page tnot talkinggle neicostper. we've lost it again at the front page tnot talkinggle neicost of'. we're not talking about cost of ttwnt— we're not talking about cost of ttwnt-tttttnt- we're not talking about cost of living talking about living crisis, not talking about the living crisis, not talking about tne-tttttnt- living crisis, not talking about the talking about the nhs, just talking about ssnetntnt— the nhs, just talking about something again. oh, no, no something else again. oh, no, no more.-more like- something else again. oh, no, no more. more like house more. more like. more like house etetntnt— more. more like. more like house cleaning-tories,- more. more like. more like house cleaning tories, not the more. more like. more like house cleanof] tories, not the more. more like. more like house cleanof the tories, not the more. more like. more like house cleanof the star, tories, not the more. more like. more like house cleanof the star, ofies, not the more. more like. more like house cleanof the star, of course: the more. more like. more like house cleanof the star, of course ,the front of the star, of course, trsn — front of the star, of course, trsn tne — front of the star, of course, from the staff. - front of the star, of course, from the staff. “ ”rizrritrx from the staff. this report, they've got this funny. what is that? by the way? some sort of weird sort of judge with a like that is. that's that's that's a terminator that is a terminator. that's where sam's brain's gone. it's that's where sam's brain's gone. rt-s sn— that's where sam's brain's gone. rt-s sn trsnt— that's where sam's brain's gone. it's on front of— that's where sam's brain's gone. it's on front of his— that's where sam's brain's gone. it's on front of his soledar. stre— it's on front of his soledar. ewe tt— it's on front of his soledar. give it back. no,— it's on front of his soledar. give it back. no, but- it's on front of his soledar. c, e f no, but what was give it back. no, but what was wsrwtnt— give it back. no, but what was wsrwtno ne— give it back. no, but what was wsrwtno ne tn— give it back. no, but what was worrying me in this— c, e f no, but what was worrying me in this report, teerse— worrying me in this report, teerse r— worrying me in this report, because i don't— worrying me in this report, because i don't know whether you

rest— because i don't know whether you rest-trt— because i don't know whether you rest-trtltrsrp- read this, they had a group esnptttnt. — read this, they had a group complaint. yeah. and there were pespte— complaint. yeah. and there were pespte sn— complaint. yeah. and there were some people on there that had newer-net— some people on there that had never met somebody who had never even met somebody who had nee—r- never even met somebody who had neve—r rnetnl never met dominic raab. i mean, it never met dominic raab. i mean, ttlss— never met dominic raab. i mean, ttlss rntttn— never met dominic raab. i mean, ttlss rntttr, vsr— never met dominic raab. i mean, itlso unfair, you _and - it is so unfair, you know, and tt-s— it is so unfair, you know, and it'slfundamental- it is so unfair, you know, and it's fundamental principle of it's a fundamental principle of our it's a fundamental principle of trsttee— it's a fundamental principle of ourjustice system , surely, is ourjustice system, surely, is tnt— ourjustice system, surely, is tntt, vsr— ourjustice system, surely, is that, you know— ourjustice system, surely, is that, you know who your accusers are that, you know who your accusers tnt— that, you know who your accusers snt wnen— that, you know who your accusers are and when it— that, you know who your accusers are and when it happens. but ttts— are and when it happens. but rtss tttn— are and when it happens. but rtss tten you— are and when it happens. but also then you had— are and when it happens. but also then you had gina miller, who was the anti—brexit lawyer, who was the anti—brexit lawyer, who said that she that he called her a and a lift and stuff like that, by the way. oh, excuse me. it's female dog. but you it's a female dog. but you weren't using in no, weren't using it in that. no, i wasn't. and nor was he, apparently. mean, these apparently. so. i mean, these these know, when it's these are, you know, when it's when these things build up, surely there's no smoke without fire. what's that proven? and i tsnt— fire. what's that proven? and i tsn-t stree— fire. what's that proven? and i don't agree with— �*" ”t? what's that proven? and i don't agree with that. people can make smoke where there is no fire can make smoke where there is no ttre—tntt— can make smoke where there is no fire _that ridiculous- fire because of that ridiculous stvtnt— fire because of that ridiculous srvtno nont— fire because of that ridiculous saying right there. it's easy to mate— saying right there. it's easy to. rnreeetrst—te make someone look bad because tten— make someone look bad because tnen pespte— make someone look bad because then people like— make someone look bad because then people like will come then people like you will come out then people like you will come srt-tnere-s— then people like you will come out-there's.smokel out and say there's no smoke wttnsrt— out and say there's no smoke without-people- without fire. so people start ettttnt— without fire. so people start stunt—st- without fire. so people start. calling—of names, calling me all sorts of names,| even—done nothing. even though i've done nothing. tsr-re— even though i've done nothing. vsr-re-srv— even though i've done nothing. you're-say that. - even though i've done nothing. you're-say that. so. you're going to say that. so tntt—tnere- you're going to say that. so that—there be that means that there must be ssne-tt.— that means that there must be ssne-tt. ant- that means that there must be some-it. and what- that means that there must be some it. and what is some truth to it. and what is tneree— some truth to it. and what is tnereelwntt— some truth to it. and what is there? what what some truth to it. and what is. there?.what-what is there? so what is this? what is tnts— there? so what is this? what is tnts-snttswv- there? so what is this? what is this shadowy government this shadowy, shadowy government 7 this shadowy, shadowy government e rs— this shadowy, shadowy government e rs nst— this shadowy, shadowy government e rs nst tte— this shadowy, shadowy government ? it's not the shadowy

government.- ? it's not the shadowy. government. _civil government. it's the civil servtee— government. it's the civil servtee .— government. it's the civil servtee . r— government. it's the civil service . i mean, mark service. i mean, look, mark terwsttt— service. i mean, look, mark serwotka, who— service. i mean, look, mark serwotka, who the boss of the serwotka, who is the boss of the rees— serwotka, who is the boss of the reeslwnten — serwotka, who is the boss of the pccsthich _civil- pccs, which is the civil servants— pccs, which is the civil servants union, he had said and i servants union, he had said and r tert— servants union, he had said and t test tnts— servants union, he had said and treat tnts tn— servants union, he had said and i read this in the— servants union, he had said and i read this in the telegraph in a i read this in the telegraph in t—st- i read this in the telegraph in t—st nsntnsl i read this in the telegraph in. a_of months ago, a piece a couple of months ago, tetrrttv— a piece a couple of months ago, tetrrttv-tntt- a piece a couple of months ago, actually-that they- actually last year, that they wsrtt— actually last year, that they wsrtt nave— actually last year, that they would have concerted strikes to get-st— would have concerted strikes to tetlst tte— would have concerted strikes to get of the government. so to get rid of the government. so to me,-a politically- me, this is a politically motivated— me, this is a politically motivated move by civil servants to motivated move by civil servants ts-tstetner— motivated move by civil servants ts-tstetnerltet- motivated move by civil servants to-togetherlget rid- motivated move by civil servants to together get rid of to club together to get rid of key— to club together to get rid of key-tn— to club together to get rid of. key-in-government. key figures in the government. so key figures in the government. ss—ttev- key figures in the government. so_they labour. so are they. so they labour civil then you think so are they. so they labour civil making hen you think so are they. so they labour civil making policies,think so are they. so they labour civil making policies, hang on. you're making policies, hang on. sorry. you are making policies tntt— sorry. you are making policies tntt tnev— sorry. you are making policies that they-like?- sorry. you are making policies that they like? yes. e that they don't like? yes. it's a that they don't like? yes. it's tttttetet— that they don't like? yes. it's a targeted campaign to get rid of nonsense , no nonsense of a no nonsense, no nonsense minister, raab was. he was minister, which raab was. he was hard working . he worked so hard. hard working. he worked so hard. apart from when he was on nsttttv,— apart from when he was on nstttrv, rprn— apart from when he was on holiday, apart from when he's on nsttttv.— holiday, apart from when he's on butts-wsnt— holiday, apart from when he's on holiday.-want to- holiday. doesn't want to come trek— holiday. doesn't want to come trek-nes— holiday. doesn't want to come back he's afghanistan. back when he's afghanistan. but just back when he's afghanistan. but trst—tnsw. - back when he's afghanistan. but trst—tnsw. trti just talk about, you know. but i wsrt— just talk about, you know. but i wstt tst— just talk about, you know. but i wstt tsr sn— just talk about, you know. but i work for an anti—bullying charity i know about. there's no place for it in anywhere. so how do you know these people aren't telling the truth? high pressure jobs, you know, tempers can flare. , when people flare. you know, when people there's there's a deadline there's a there's a deadline that are impatient for, that people are impatient for, you know, a need something to happen. you know, a need something to happen . but, i mean, we wouldn't

happen. but, i mean, we wouldn't have won war. look at have won the war. look at winston do you think winston churchill. do you think it's world and these it's a different world and these great people would have would have they'd have got where they'd got without, know, their without, you know, raising their voice. but being a patron of a wsrtt— voice. but being a patron of a wsrtt te— voice. but being a patron of a would be turning— rat? but being a patron of a would be turning being would be turning in being a pttrsn— would be turning in being a patron-bullying- would be turning in being a patron bullying charity patron of a bullying charity means you should you should retttv— means you should you should really _victims. - really believe the victims. and for really believe the victims. and tsr—tnsz really believe the victims. and tsr—tnsw ,l for some reason, you know, nanny,— for some reason, you know,| frankly,_rubbed for some reason, you know,- frankly,_rubbed me frankly, dominic has rubbed me up frankly, dominic has rubbed me rp tte— frankly, dominic has rubbed me rp tne wrsnt— frankly, dominic has rubbed me rp tne wrong wsw— frankly, dominic has rubbed me up the wrong way for quite for trtte— up the wrong way for quite for trtte t— up the wrong way for quite for trtte r tsnt— up the wrong way for quite for quite a long time— up the wrong way for quite for quite a long time because, well, nsnt— quite a long time because, well, hang. _ quite a long time because, well, nrnt- teerrse— quite a long time because, well, hang. because, sam,- quite a long time because, well, hang. because, sam, if- quite a long time because, well, hang f �*" hang on. because, sam, if i were to a group of people and to thank a group of people and i were leave one name out, were to leave one name out, i wouldn't call that bullying. but don't know. but you don't you don't know. you—the- but you don't you don't know. you _the context. but you don't you don't know. you _the context of you don't know the context of it. _the... - you don't know the context of. it. _the... -the it. we weren't there. that's the whole — it. we weren't there. that's the whole-none— it. we weren't there. that's the whole - none of - it. we weren't there. that's the whole - none of us- it. we weren't there. that's the whole none of us were whole point. none of us were there. — whole point. none of us were there. none— whole point. none of us were there. none of— whole point. none of us were there. none of them- whole point. none of us were there. \\ there. none of them were there, which is why makes it very which is why it makes it very easy. think know, easy. and i think we you know, we be careful when it we need to be careful when it comes bullying people comes to bullying that people are not this sort of are not using this sort of belittling. believe belittling. and i don't believe they because it they should because because it stops bullies getting they should because because it stops the bullies getting they should because because it stops the person getting they should because because it stops the person who'sgetting they should because because it stops the person who's being| done. the person who's being bullied dominic bullied is actually dominic raab on this occasion. that's what i think what have got think what the group have got together against him to get him out. and it's worked. and rishi should— out. and it's worked. and rishi should-stuck— out. and it's worked. and rishi should-stuck up.- and it's worked. and rishi should stuck up. rishi should have stuck up. rishi should— should have stuck up. rishi should - stuck. - should have stuck up. rishi. should - stuck. - i'm should have stuck. rishi, i'm ashamed— should have stuck. rishi, i'm ashamed of— should have stuck. rishi, i'm ashamed of you. _ should have stuck. rishi, i'm ashamed of you. really am. ashamed of you. i really am. for— ashamed of you. i really am. for-first— ashamed of you. i really am. for-first time. lizzie.- for the first time. lizzie.

well, i for the first time. lizzie. wen, i hope— for the first time. lizzie. well, i hopelyou're- for the first time. lizzie. - well, i hopelyou're watching well, i hope if you're watching lizzie— well, i hope if you're watching lizzie-not— well, i hope if you're watching lizzie-not happy— well, i hope if you're watching lizzie not happy with and lizzie is not happy with you and your— lizzie is not happy with you and your p..d._ lizzie is not happy with you and your prada shoes.— lizzie is not happy with you and your prada shoes. she ain't happy—medal your prada shoes. she ain'ti happy—prima is happy at all. those prada is off.— happy at all. those prada is off._o..- happy at all. those prada is. off-_on.-with off. yeah. come on. you're with _ak... — off. yeah. come on. you're with me--akua--isi off. yeah. come on. you're with me.-akua.-is gbi me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news— me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news-online— me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news-online and- me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news online and on news on tv, online and on digital— news on tv, online and on digitat-.— news on tv, online and on digital-. 0n- news on tv, online and on digital-. on the- news on tv, online and on- digital-. on the -the digital radio. on the way. the great— digital radio. on the way. the great british— digital radio. on the way. the great british debate, side great british debate, the side rm— great british debate, the side .-m asking,— great british debate, the side i'm asking, should the nurses strike—illegal- i'm asking, should the nurses strike illegal now i'm asking, should the nurses- strike_illegal now the strike be deemed illegal now the government— strike be deemed illegal now the government-set— strike be deemed illegal now the government-set to— strike be deemed illegal now the government set to take government is set to take the royal—nursing- royal college of nursing to court— royal college of nursing to coun—thel court and try to block the send— court and try to block the second day— court and try to block the second day their up and second day of their up and coming— second day of their up and coming-day— second day of their up and coming day strike. and that coming two day strike. and that is, coming two day strike. and that de—ddnned- coming two day strike. and that de—ddnned thei is, as the rcn have dubbed the move, a blatant— is, as the rcn have dubbed the move, a blatant threat . then at move, a blatant threat. then at 450,— move, a blatant threat. then at ese, n-e— move, a blatant threat. then at ese, in time— move, a blatant threat. then at 450, it's time for— move, a blatant threat. then at 450, it's time for out royal roundup. — 450, it's time for out royal roundup. nne— 450, it's time for out royal roundup. the fabulous angela lenn— roundup. the fabulous angela devdn edd— roundup. the fabulous angela levin will be— roundup. the fabulous angela levin will be joining me in the etude— levin will be joining me in the etude-,— levin will be joining me in the studio -, taking— levin will be joining me in the studio , taking through levin will be joining me in the stu things , taking through levin will be joining me in the stu things that king through levin will be joining me in the stu things that arei through levin will be joining me in the stu things that are royalhrough levin will be joining me in the stu things that are royal and gh levin will be joining me in the stu things that are royal and on all things that are royal and on the all things that are royal and on dne ded— all things that are royal and on dne die die— all things that are royal and on the list this week,— all things that are royal and on the list this week, buckingham nddee— the list this week, buckingham nddee-dne— the list this week, buckingham palace-the last- palace released the last ended— palace released the last official late official photograph of the late queen—ny- official photograph of the late queen—by ner- official photograph of the late queen by her great queen surrounded by her great grandchildren.— queen surrounded by her great grandchildren. up, who's grandchildren. hands up, who's not grandchildren. hands up, who's net-wnen— grandchildren. hands up, who's not who's missing .7 yeah. not there? who's missing? yeah. i not there? who's missing? yeah. . wonde— not there? who's missing? yeah. . ede .— not there? who's missing? yeah. . ede . ._ not there? who's missing? yeah. i wonder. i wonder.— not there? who's missing? yeah. i wonder. i wonder. and that's dne— i wonder. i wonder. and that's dne nerd— i wonder. i wonder. and that's the mark steyn— i wonder. i wonder. and that's the mark steyn 97th birthday. send— the mark steyn 97th birthday. send me— the mark steyn 97th birthday. send me yen— the mark steyn 97th birthday. send me your thoughts as ever. ven— send me your thoughts as ever. den een— send me your thoughts as ever. den enen— send me your thoughts as ever. you can email gb— send me your thoughts as ever. you can email gb views at endewedk— you can email gb views at gbnews.uk or— you can email gb views at gbnews.uk or tweet me at gb newe- — gbnews.uk or tweet me at gb newe- d-ve— gbnews.uk or tweet me at gb newe- we get— gbnews.uk or tweet me at gb news. i've got a— gbnews.uk or tweet me at gb news. i've got a pull up right eennd— news. i've got a pull up right now asking that— news. i've got a pull up right now asking that very question. snedd— now asking that very question. snedd dne— now asking that very question. should the nurses strike be deemed— should the nurses strike be deemed illegal? 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the tories were going to drain the tories were going to drain dne-ef— the tories were going to drain the-of-leftie- the swamp of these leftie snewndke— the swamp of these leftie snowflake public servants. a fat sensen— snowflake public servants. a fat snenselsnd— snowflake public servants. a fat snenselsnes .— snowflake public servants. a fat chance-that . jill— snowflake public servants. a fat chance that . jill says the chance of that. jill says the dyn— chance of that. jill says the civil service _ chance of that. jill says the civil service have too much time on civil service have too much time en-ndnds— civil service have too much time on-hands working- civil service have too much time on hands working from on their hands working from neme— on their hands working from nens-end— on their hands working from home. and doing on their hands working from home.-and doing or home. yes and doing nothing or going— home. yes and doing nothing or gene-sne— home. yes and doing nothing or gene-ene dyn— home. yes and doing nothing or going-the gym or_ home. yes and doing nothing or going the gym or shopping. going to the gym or shopping. and—ministers- going to the gym or shopping. and ministers are and no wonder ministers are seesnnd— and no wonder ministers are seeding-enn.- and no wonder ministers are cracking whip. exactly. you cracking the whip. exactly. you knew— cracking the whip. exactly. you knew-sne— cracking the whip. exactly. you know _the _thing - cracking the whip. exactly. you know-the-thing isi know, and the worst thing is end— know, and the worst thing is wndsleenn— know, and the worst thing is what-earth are- know, and the worst thing is what earth are the home what on earth are the home dense— what on earth are the home office civil— what on earth are the home office civil servants doing nesess— office civil servants doingj nesess—n office civil servants doing- process_it, nine process saying, what is it, nine per— process saying, what is it, nine see-ense— process saying, what is it, nine ee-ense e week- process saying, what is it, nine see-ense e week ,i per thousand once a week, wsusen — per thousand once a week, william says,— per thousand once a week, william says, our country has saved— william says, our country has saved sn— william says, our country has saved in se— william says, our country has caved in to the— william says, our country has caved in to the woke snowflakes end— caved in to the woke snowflakes end snen— caved in to the woke snowflakes and their ludicrous— caved in to the woke snowflakes and their ludicrous demands. how can and their ludicrous demands. how senlnsnensy— and their ludicrous demands. how canlminority-the_ and their ludicrous demands. how can minority the country can a minority tell the country senes— can a minority tell the country ends—senes- can a minority tell the country sends—sends ss- can a minority tell the countryi what—what is wrong what is right and what is wrong end— what is right and what is wrong and n— what is right and what is wrong end n-den-s— what is right and what is wrong and if-don't do— what is right and what is wrong and if don't do your job, and if you don't do your job, you— and if you don't do your job, you-get— and if you don't do your job, you-get-up-- and if you don't do your job, yen-des-de. n-sl and if you don't do your job,i you-get-up. it's as you will get pulled up. it's as ssnede— you will get pulled up. it's as ssnede-s— you will get pulled up. it's as simple-i agree.- you will get pulled up. it's as simple i agree. but, simple as that. i agree. but, you— simple as that. i agree. but, yes knew,— simple as that. i agree. but, you know, unfortunately, dominic need— you know, unfortunately, dominic need-gene.— you know, unfortunately, dominic raab-gone. rishi,— you know, unfortunately, dominic raab gone. rishi, in my raab has gone. rishi, in my new— raab has gone. rishi, in my nen-week- raab has gone. rishi, in my view, weak, weak, view, is weak, weak, weak, weak, nns. — view, is weak, weak, weak, weak, nns. men— view, is weak, weak, weak, weak, nns. -nen dds— view, is weak, weak, weak, weak, rac. -now it's time- view, is weak, weak, weak, weak, rac. now it's time for the rac. but now it's time for the sees— rac. but now it's time for the great british _ rac. but now it's time for the great british debate. this hour. and— great british debate. this hour. and s-n— great british debate. this hour. and s-n esnnn— great british debate. this hour. and i'm asking, should the ndsses-ne— and i'm asking, should the nurses be declared and i'm asking, should the nurses now, be declared and i'm asking, should the nurses now, health :lared and i'm asking, should the nurses now, health secretary illegal now, health secretary sseve— illegal now, health secretary sseve-sdnnd- illegal now, health secretary steve taking legal steve barclay is taking legal esden— steve barclay is taking legal action against— steve barclay is taking legal action against royal college action against the royal college of action against the royal college es ndsssnd— action against the royal college es ndsssnd se— action against the royal college es ndsssng se ny— action against the royal college of nursing to try and block the sesd— of nursing to try and block the sesd day— of nursing to try and block the sesd dey es— of nursing to try and block the second day of their up and sensnd— second day of their up and coming strike,— second day of their up and coming strike, arguing that it sens— coming strike, arguing that it falls outside— coming strike, arguing that it falls outside the— coming strike, arguing that it falls outside the required six nensn— falls outside the required six nensn eened— falls outside the required six. month period—votes falls outside the required six- month period—votes are month period from when votes are sess— month period from when votes are sass—es— month period from when votes are cast-of industrial- cast in favour of industrial essen— cast in favour of industrial esden. new— cast in favour of industrial action. now barclay and nhs nesses—

action. now barclay and nhs nesses esene— action. now barclay and nhs bosses argue that the chs nddes— bosses argue that the chs ballot closed— bosses argue that the chs ballot closed at- bosses argue that the chs ballot closed at midday on nevennes— ballot closed at midday on november the— ballot closed at midday on november the 2nd, which, if true , wedd— november the 2nd, which, if true , nend neen— november the 2nd, which, if true , would mean that— november the 2nd, which, if true , would mean that they would not neve— , would mean that they would not nevelndndese— , would mean that they would not have mandate strike on may have a mandate to strike on may the have a mandate to strike on may sns-snen— have a mandate to strike on may sne-snds ss— have a mandate to strike on may the-that is the— have a mandate to strike on may the-that is the-day. the 2nd. that is the final day of the 2nd. that is the final day es—ndkeds. - the 2nd. that is the final day of_walkout. if. the 2nd. that is the final dayi of_walkout. if the of the planned walkout. if the senn— of the planned walkout. if the seen-snen— of the planned walkout. if the court _then-nursesl court agrees, then the nurses ssnke— court agrees, then the nursesi strike _ protected court agrees, then the nurses. strike _ protected by strike would not be protected by the strike would not be protected by sns—dens— strike would not be protected by sns—dens end- strike would not be protected by the—laws and may. the trade union laws and may snesesese— the trade union laws and may snesesese ne— the trade union laws and may therefore be called off. the rcn neve— therefore be called off. the rcn have responded _ therefore be called off. the rcn have responded by saying it wedd— have responded by saying it would forcefully resist any esseness— would forcefully resist any esseness se— would forcefully resist any attempts to - a - would forcefully resist any attempts to a high court attempts to get a high court sns-nnsden— attempts to get a high court injunction _the- attempts to get a high court injunction the strike, injunction to block the strike, end— injunction to block the strike, and ns— injunction to block the strike, and its general— injunction to block the strike, and its general secretary, pat seden— and its general secretary, pat sudden nes— and its general secretary, pat cullen, has said— and its general secretary, pat cullen, has said legal cullen, has said the legal esden— cullen, has said the legal esden ss— cullen, has said the legal action is cruel— cullen, has said the legal action is cruel and unacceptable, ministers unacceptable, accusing ministers of unacceptable, accusing ministers es ednssnsnd— unacceptable, accusing ministers es ednssnsng sne— unacceptable, accusing ministers of punishing the nurses for ses-esend— of punishing the nurses for ses-esend sne— of punishing the nurses for rejecting the government's desess— rejecting the government's ddsess pey— rejecting the government's latest pay offer— rejecting the government's latest pay offer . right. so for latest pay offer. right. so for sne— latest pay offer. right. so for sne ssed— latest pay offer. right. so for the great british— latest pay offer. right. so for the great british debate i'm asking,— the great british debate i'm asking, should— the great british debate i'm asking, should the nurses strike be asking, should the nurses strike ne desddsed— asking, should the nurses strike be declared illegal? well sesnsnd— be declared illegal? well sesnsng ne— be declared illegal? well joining me now, henry boulton, international— joining me now, henry boulton, international secretary at sesndy— international secretary at security. sorry,- international secretary at security. sorry, not the sessesesy— security. sorry, not the secretary of- security. sorry, not the secretary of board of control end— secretary of board of control and expen— secretary of board of control and expert dennis mcshane, sesnes— and expert dennis mcshane, former-minister- former labour minister for edseee— former labour minister for edseee .— former labour minister for europe . andrew eborn, lawyer , europe. andrew eborn, lawyer, end— europe. andrew eborn, lawyer, and julia— europe. andrew eborn, lawyer, and julia taylor,— europe. andrew eborn, lawyer, and julia taylor, a psychiatric nurse. andrew,— and julia taylor, a psychiatric nurse. andrew, i'm going to ssen— nurse. andrew, i'm going to ssen nsn— nurse. andrew, i'm going to start with you— nurse. andrew, i'm going to start with you ._ nurse. andrew, i'm going to start with you . yes. what is the start with you. yes. what is the degedssy— start with you. yes. what is the degddssy es— start with you. yes. what is the legality of striking can they ssnke— legality of striking can they ssnke ssne— legality of striking can they strike like this?— legality of striking can they strike like this? it's very, vesy— strike like this? it's very, yen-and- strike like this? it's very,i very-and they're strike like this? it's very,- very-and they're very very simple. and they're very strict regulations strict rules and regulations about what happens about strikes. can only happen if

strikes. it can only happen if a majority of union members agree via organised vote. and via an organised vote. and basically the strict- basically the strict rules . it basically the strict rules. it muss— basically the strict rules. it muss-d— basically the strict rules. it must-a postal- basically the strict rules. it must a postal ballot and must be a postal ballot and desens— must be a postal ballot and details must— must be a postal ballot and details must be— must be a postal ballot and details must be given at least 14 details must be given at least sd-edvense— details must be given at least sd-edvdnse .- details must be given at least i4-advance . yes,- details must be given at least 14 advance . yes, and 14 days in advance. yes, and ends— 14 days in advance. yes, and ends-ss— 14 days in advance. yes, and what-is that- 14 days in advance. yes, and what is that particular what happens is that particular eddies— what happens is that particular ballot relates— what happens is that particular ballot relates to— what happens is that particular ballot relates to a time limit end— ballot relates to a time limit and ense— ballot relates to a time limit and once that— ballot relates to a time limit and once that happens, it's six nensns— and once that happens, it's six nensns se— and once that happens, it's six months to undertake any action approved— months to undertake any action deeseyed ny— months to undertake any action assessed by end— months to undertake any action approved by that ballot. and it's approved by that ballot. and n-s vesy— approved by that ballot. and it's very simple. _ approved by that ballot. and it's very simple. you calculate sne— it's very simple. you calculate sne ndnesn— it's very simple. you calculate the number of— it's very simple. you calculate the number of days, the strike ssnke— the number of days, the strike strike particular— the number of days, the strike strike particular strike ballot esden— strike particular strike ballot action relates— strike particular strike ballot action relates to— strike particular strike ballot action relates to a closed on nsddey— action relates to a closed on nsddey en— action relates to a closed on midday on the— action relates to a closed on midday on the 2nd of november 2022,— midday on the 2nd of november zen, nnssn— midday on the 2nd of november 2022, which means that this nendese— 2022, which means that this mandate finished at midnight on the mandate finished at midnight on sne ssn— mandate finished at midnight on sne sss es— mandate finished at midnight on sne sss es ndy. — mandate finished at midnight on the 1st of may. so— mandate finished at midnight on the 1st of may. e the 1st of may. so it's not a question of should it be right and the rights and wrongs of the strike and so on and so forth. thatis strike and so on and so forth. that is the law says. and that is what the law says. and these— that is what the law says. and snese ss— that is what the law says. and snese ss sn— that is what the law says. and there is in fact,— that is what the law says. and there is in fact, an— that is what the law says. and there is in fact, an argument that could go further, that it could go even further, that it could go even further, that the notice is incorrect, that if the notice is incorrect, which talks about the period from the of april to the from the 30th of april to the 2nd whole 2nd of may, in that whole notice, could incorrect notice, this could be incorrect and say, actually, and they could say, actually, you even do on the 30th you can't even do it on the 30th of indeed on the of of april or indeed on the 1st of may. what happens if they strike dnyndye—ssi anyway? well what happens is it snen— anyway? well what happens is it snen-suedd. - anyway? well what happens is it

then-illegal. they- anyway? well what happens is it then illegal. "can then becomes illegal. they no longer— then becomes illegal. they no denges ees— then becomes illegal. they no longer get the protection that they relevant they would have under a relevant laws, will be laws, which means they will be in their contracts and in breach of their contracts and they dismissed. they're they could be dismissed. they're also injunction also, if a relevant injunction is then could be is obtained, then they could be in contempt court and all in contempt of court and all sorts things there. it's sorts of things there. it's interesting cullen interesting that pat cullen said they would anything they would never do anything illegal. do lose the illegal. so if they do lose the court action, which i suspect would be a very interesting proposition if they didn't, then they be in all sorts of they would be in all sorts of problems. i think that's the position. and as say, it's not position. and as i say, it's not seen— position. and as i say, it's not seen sne— position. and as i say, it's not about the rights— position. and as i say, it's not about the rights and- tsits“ and as i say, it's not about the rights and wrongs sis“ and as i say, it's not about the rights and wrongs of the about the rights and wrongs of sne-n-s— about the rights and wrongs of the-it's about-thel the strike. it's about what the sen—senen- the strike. it's about what the law—taylor, whati the strike. it's about what the. law—taylor, what do law says. julia taylor, what do you think about this? i mean, they the law they could be breaking the law if if perhaps the if they broke, if perhaps the strikes were seen illegal. strikes were seen as illegal. would striking and would you carry on striking and would to work would you go back to work personally? i wouldn't. personally? no, i wouldn't. only desse— personally? no, i wouldn't. only becauseiwouldn't_ personally? no, i wouldn't. only becauseiwouldn't want- 7’ no, i wouldn't. only because wouldn't want to be because i wouldn't want to be dismissed.— because i wouldn't want to be dismissed.idoubt_ because i wouldn't want to be dismissed. doubt very much you dismissed. i doubt very much you nensdn-s— dismissed. i doubt very much you nenddn-s sessy— dismissed. i doubt very much you wouldn't carry striking . i, wouldn't carry on striking. i, i nenddn-s— wouldn't carry on striking. i, i wouldn't personally , because i wouldn't personally, because i nenddn-s— wouldn't personally, because i wouldn't want— wouldn't personally, because i wouldn't want to _ wouldn't personally, because i wouldn't want to be the chance of wouldn't want to be the chance es dend— wouldn't want to be the chance of being dismissed. i do think it's of being dismissed. i do think ss-s esessdy— of being dismissed. i do think it's grossly unfair— of being dismissed. i do think it's grossly unfair because snsedy— it's grossly unfair because snsesy sney— it's grossly unfair because surely they gave us a pay offer end— surely they gave us a pay offer end ne— surely they gave us a pay offer end we sesd,— surely they gave us a pay offer and we said, no,— surely they gave us a pay offer and we said, no, we're not. nen— and we said, no, we're not. nen nes— and we said, no, we're not. nen nes — and we said, no, we're not. well, not we. the rcn said no , well, not we. the rcn said no, nes gend— well, not we. the rcn said no, we're not going to— well, not we. the rcn said no, we're not going to accept that

pav— we're not going to accept that eey esses.— we're not going to accept that eey esses. ne— we're not going to accept that pay offer. we want more because if ne— pay offer. we want more because n we den-s— pay offer. we want more because n we den-s des— pay offer. we want more because if we don't get more, we're not going— if we don't get more, we're not going se— if we don't get more, we're not going se neve— if we don't get more, we're not going se neve eny— if we don't get more, we're not going to have any nhs any more. in going to have any nhs any more. n eddy— going to have any nhs any more. n eddy .— going to have any nhs any more. n eddy . and— going to have any nhs any more. in reality . and surely that in reality. and surely that snendd— in reality. and surely that should count— in reality. and surely that should count as we've wanted to ssnke — should count as we've wanted to ssnke dees— should count as we've wanted to strike does that— should count as we've wanted to strike does that would that not be sne — strike does that would that not be sne sese— strike does that would that not be the case? should it not be sne— be the case? should it not be sne sese— be the case? should it not be sne ss— be the case? should it not be the case if they— be the case? should it not be the case if they do that, i snsnk— the case if they do that, i think we'll— the case if they do that, i think we'll just- the case if they do that, i think we'll just have another senes— think we'll just have another neues end— think we'll just have another ballot and we'll— think we'll just have another ballot and we'll strike again on the ballot and we'll strike again on sne sesn — ballot and we'll strike again on the rcn. rather,— ballot and we'll strike again on the rcn. rather, we'll strike eeen— the rcn. rather, we'll strike ededn es— the rcn. rather, we'll strike again es e— the rcn. rather, we'll strike again at a different time . um, i again at a different time. um, i sen-s— again at a different time. um, i sen-s nes— again at a different time. um, i can't see pat cullen actually eseennd— can't see pat cullen actually nseenng sne— can't see pat cullen actually breaking the law— can't see pat cullen actually breaking the law because she nen-s— breaking the law because she nen-s s— breaking the law because she nen-s s sen-s— breaking the law because she won't. i can't imagine she'll do snes— won't. i can't imagine she'll do snes desse— won't. i can't imagine she'll do that because we— won't. i can't imagine she'll do that because we could end up in dess— that because we could end up in dess es— that because we could end up in lots of trouble— that because we could end up in lots of trouble ._ that because we could end up in lots of trouble . there'll be a lots of trouble. there'll be a lots of trouble. there'll be a des es— lots of trouble. there'll be a des es endes— lots of trouble. there'll be a lot of anger about this, i would dneddnet— lot of anger about this, i would imagine, throughout the nhs. sessy. — imagine, throughout the nhs. sessy. wnen— imagine, throughout the nhs. sorry. what about- imagine, throughout the nhs. sorry. what about all the patients? i mean, where are the nurses? i mean, 35% is a lot to ask . where are the nurses ask. where are the nurses thinking that the money is going to come from? how do they think genuinely is going to genuinely that this is going to happen? i'm going come to happen? i'm i'm going to come to henry then i'm going to come henry and then i'm going to come back you, but henry, back to you, julia. but henry, your thoughts on this? well, i think this a your thoughts on this? well, i think this-a matter- your thoughts on this? well, i think this-a matter of- . “gig sis“ 57’ well, i think this a matter of law, think this is a matter of law, dsn-s— think this is a matter of law, dsn-s ne — think this is a matter of law, dsn-s in n— think this is a matter of law, isn't it? it-be. - think this is a matter of law, isn't it? it-be. it. isn't it? it should be. it should, moment, be kept should, at the moment, be kept away politics. on the one

away from politics. on the one side, away from politics. on the one side. snee— away from politics. on the one side. snese ds— away from politics. on the one side, there is the— away from politics. on the one side, there is the nurses- side, there is the nurses penden— side, there is the nurses eessden en— side, there is the nurses position on this. and there the nedenes— position on this. and there the national college— position on this. and there the national college of nursing on eeeseesn— national college of nursing on eeeseesn n— national college of nursing on approach in terms of their pay end— approach in terms of their pay and demands— approach in terms of their pay and demands. _ approach in terms of their pay and demands. approach in terms of their pay and demands . t and demands. sorry, royal college of nursing , their college of nursing, their demands in terms of pay and conditions. but this is a legal sndndt— conditions. but this is a legal sndnn es— conditions. but this is a legal thing, as andrew— {.sis“s: but this is a legal thing, as andrew said earlier, it thing, as andrew said earlier, n is— thing, as andrew said earlier, n is e— thing, as andrew said earlier, n is e sinne— thing, as andrew said earlier, it is a simple matter of law as to it is a simple matter of law as e nnesnes— it is a simple matter of law as to whether or— it is a simple matter of law as to whether or not— it is a simple matter of law as to whether or not this strike snes-s— to whether or not this strike snes-s dend— to whether or not this strike that's being called is actually nnndn— that's being called is actually nnndn sne— that's being called is actually within the time— that's being called is actually within the time period and sneseseset— within the time period and therefore, whether it's legal or note— therefore, whether it's legal or nen n— therefore, whether it's legal or nen n dds— therefore, whether it's legal or not, if it's not— therefore, whether it's legal or not, if it's not legal, therefore, whether it's legal or not, if it's not legal , then not, if it's not legal, then i sndnk— not, if it's not legal, then i sndnk sne— not, if it's not legal, then i think the leadership of the reyes— think the leadership of the royal college— think the leadership of the royal college of nursing essneny— royal college of nursing actually has— royal college of nursing actually has some answers to esende— actually has some answers to esende ns— actually has some answers to provide its membership with and of course, they'll— provide its membership with and of course, they'll have to enenden— of course, they'll have to abandon the _ of course, they'll have to abandon the strike if they sess— abandon the strike if they dess sney— abandon the strike if they unless they want to break the den — unless they want to break the den nns— unless they want to break the den en en— unless they want to break the law. but on the— unless they want to break the law. but on the other hand and the law. but on the other hand and sne sessy— law. but on the other hand and sne sessy .— law. but on the other hand and sne sessy. s— law. but on the other hand and the sorry , i forget— law. but on the other hand and the sorry , i forget her name, the sorry, i forget her name, sne— the sorry, i forget her name, sne dedy— the sorry, i forget her name, sne dedy nne— the sorry, i forget her name, the lady who was just speaking, sndset— the lady who was just speaking, sndde. s— the lady who was just speaking, sndde. s sndnd— the lady who was just speaking, julia, i think she's— the lady who was just speaking, julia, i think she's also seness— julia, i think she's also correct in— julia, i think she's also correct in saying that if that's sne— correct in saying that if that's sne sese— correct in saying that if that's the case, then— correct in saying that if that's the case, then they will simply neve — the case, then they will simply have another— the case, then they will simply have another ballot out and they end— have another ballot out and they nddd ssnde— have another ballot out and they nddd ssnde es— have another ballot out and they will strike at another point in nne— will strike at another point in dne . — will strike at another point in dne . snee— will strike at another point in time . there is— will strike at another point in time . there is the- will strike at another point in time . “sitiszi; time. there is the moral question as to whether or not that's right or not. can i can i

come to dennis,— g can i can i come to dennis, please? cite/sags come to dennis, please? okay. so no, come to dennis, please? okay. so nn-nene— come to dennis, please? okay. so nn-nene en— come to dennis, please? okay. so no, hang on. wait. the no, no, no. hang on. wait. the morality of this, i morality of this, though, i mean. well, morality . one thing, mean. well, morality. one thing, common sense is— mean. well, morality. one thing, common sense is quite- t“ lsiv�*iiifilcc as one thing, common sense is quite useful for nurses and common— common sense is quite useful for nurses and common sense is an essended— nurses and common sense is an essended dneddsy— nurses and common sense is an essential quality that every ndndsses— essential quality that every minister should have. “4115s is minister should have. yes. by dey— minister should have. yes. by one day somebody miscalculate it a bit. and if they want to have another ballot, if. steve barclay really thinks he and rishi sunak benefits from the third ballot and the nurses, i can tell you because i've been through this myself a lot in the time will vote even more strongly in favour of another strike. steve but that's a messes— strike. steve but that's a messes es— strike. steve but that's a matter of law— strike. steve but that's a matter of law ,- steve but that's a matter of law , isn't it? his matter of law, isn't it? no, no, deed.— matter of law, isn't it? no, no, deed. deed— matter of law, isn't it? no, no, look, look what the benefit is. look, look. if, if it's a matter of law, any nurse can take the rcn to court. it doesn't have to be e— rcn to court. it doesn't have to be e edd— rcn to court. it doesn't have to be e big nnddy— rcn to court. it doesn't have to be e big nnddy dey— ?c\s edit. 2 it doesn't have to be a big bully boy minister 3c.\s cd]. 2 it doesn't have to be a big bully boy minister like nessdey— be a big bully boy minister like nessdey .— be a big bully boy minister like nessdey . ven— be a big bully boy minister like barclay . you won't even talk to barclay. you won't even talk to snen — barclay. you won't even talk to snen .— barclay. you won't even talk to snen . ven— barclay. you won't even talk to them . you refer— barclay. you won't even talk to them . you refer to— barclay. you won't even talk to them . you refer to 35. henry. them. you refer to 35. henry. nnes-s— them. you refer to 35. henry. that's actually— them. you refer to 35. henry. that's actually what the junior dessess. — that's actually what the junior dessess. ss— that's actually what the junior doctors. it was_ that's actually what the junior doctors. it was me- that's actually what the junior doctors. c doctors. it was me that said, i'm so. i'm so sorry. i mean,

since 2010, we know that doctors pay since 2010, we know that doctors pay has fallen by 35. but hold on, hold pay has fallen by 35. but hold nedd — pay has fallen by 35. but hold on, hold on. mps— pay has fallen by 35. but hold on, hold on. mps have- 33 but hold on, hold on. mps have voted 53 but hold on, hold on. mps have voted . i'm on, hold on. mps have voted. i'm going— on, hold on. mps have voted. i'm going se— on, hold on. mps have voted. i'm going se ssen— on, hold on. mps have voted. i'm going to stop there. _ on, hold on. mps have voted. i'm going to stop there. can we can we ssen— going to stop there. can we can we see snesee— going to stop there. can we can we stop there? nana because deed.— we stop there? nana because deen julia— we stop there? nana because deen sndde .— we stop there? nana because deen sndde . s— we stop there? nana because look, julia , i want to come to look, julia, i want to come to yen.— look, julia, i want to come to yen. ne— look, julia, i want to come to yen. ne nes— look, julia, i want to come to you. do not like— look, julia, i want to come to you. do not like everybody. like if you. do not like everybody. like dslseneese— you. do not like everybody. like ificompare what— you. do not like everybody. like if compare what the pay was, if i compare what the pay was, say— if i compare what the pay was, sey n— if i compare what the pay was, sey sn zoos.— if i compare what the pay was, say in 2009, some— if i compare what the pay was, say in 2009, some of the jobs snes— say in 2009, some of the jobs snes s— say in 2009, some of the jobs snes s nendd— say in 2009, some of the jobs that i would do,— say in 2009, some of the jobs that i would do, i'm even being pedd— that i would do, i'm even being eedd dess— that i would do, i'm even being eesd dess snen— that i would do, i'm even being paid less than i— that i would do, i'm even being paid less than i would have been snen— paid less than i would have been snen. sendd— paid less than i would have been then. could the— paid less than i would have been then. could the nurses not understand— then. could the nurses not understand that although their nedes— understand that although their neees neve— understand that although their wages have slipped down low , wages have slipped down low, it's wages have slipped down low, dds e— wages have slipped down low, it's a universal— wages have slipped down low, it's a universal thing . and it's a universal thing. and essneddy— it's a universal thing. and actually they— it's a universal thing. and actually they need they really need— actually they need they really need se— actually they need they really need to come— actually they need they really need to come to— actually they need they really need to come to the table and get— need to come to the table and seed en— need to come to the table and seed en nsn— need to come to the table and get on with this. _ need to come to the table and get on with this. otherwise snese-s— get on with this. otherwise snese-s going— get on with this. otherwise there's going to be a backlog snen— there's going to be a backlog snes end— there's going to be a backlog snes end n— there's going to be a backlog that and in the— there's going to be a backlog that and in the end, we're all going— that and in the end, we're all gene-es— that and in the end, we're all gene-es-nns- that and in the end, we're all| going-at-nhs and going to look at the nhs and say,— going to look at the nhs and sey-nee nes- going to look at the nhs and say, we're not going say, forget it, we're not going to say, forget it, we're not going sens.— say, forget it, we're not going se-n. nnes— say, forget it, we're not going se-n. nnes-s- say, forget it, we're not going to-it. that-i mean,| to have it. that way. i mean, yen— to have it. that way. i mean, are you risking— to have it. that way. i mean, are you risking are you not nsnnd— are you risking are you not risking-nhs?- are you risking are you not risking nhs? no '“s2 git. risking the nhs? no and i get ense— risking the nhs? no and i get ense-wnen— risking the nhs? no and i get quite when people say quite angry when people say that. offence nana, that. no offence to you, nana, but striking because we but when striking because we want to save the nhs because we're not getting the nurses numbers that we need, therefore we're paying private nurses to come in and do the job we're doing. getting three doing. they're getting three times us and we're times more than us and we're working with and showing

working with them and showing them there's loads them what to do. there's loads of we could get the money. of ways we could get the money. look at water companies, the look at the water companies, the sewage out and sewage they're spewing out and they're getting billions and billions . look at the billions in profits. look at the bankers. we could tax some of them. why are we paying reparations to other countries for slavery ? i mean, it's just for slavery? i mean, it's just absolutely crazy . worked out absolutely crazy. worked out wedd— absolutely crazy. worked out nedd .— absolutely crazy. worked out nedd . nnes— absolutely crazy. worked out well . what about— absolutely crazy. worked out well . what about the- chic; i worked out well . what about the patient? well. what about the patient? nnes— well. what about the patient? nnes esens— well. what about the patient? what about the _ well. what about the patient? what about the patients ? that's what about the patients? that's why— what about the patients? that's nny sse-se— what about the patients? that's nny dend— what about the patients? that's why we're doing andrew, what esens— why we're doing andrew, what enens sne— why we're doing andrew, what about the patients? no, you're ensednsedy— about the patients? no, you're absolutely right. . “s: i “s:s:it” about the patients? no, you're absolutely right. . “s: i “s:sit” absolutely right. and under the trade union and labour relations act, there's a legal obligation to that strikes do to make sure that the strikes do not endanger life. and i would absolutely beg that question. you patient you have to look at the patient care. i understand and care. whilst i understand and have for people have some sympathy for people raising about money it's raising about money and it's across the board, barristers went out on strike because crime doesn't pay . you know, the doesn't pay. you know, the inndes— doesn't pay. you know, the junior barristers— : c you know, the junior barristers they were eesndnd— junior barristers they were eesnsne dess— junior barristers they were earning less than £12,000 in the dess— earning less than £12,000 in the sdsss snee— earning less than £12,000 in the first three years. _ earning less than £12,000 in the first three years. c first three years. it's snpenens— first three years. it's important to shine a spotlight, but nana makes a great point. you've got to work out where the neney— you've got to work out where the neney-ssen. - you've got to work out where the money-from. and. money is coming from. and we're nesdseddy— money is coming from. and we're basically muddling two arguments. one is, is this degen— arguments. one is, is this dedede — arguments. one is, is this legal? sne— arguments. one is, is this

legal? the answer no, it's legal? the answer is no, it's not, it's timed out. not, because it's timed out. work out, then about the moral end— work out, then about the moral end sne— work out, then about the moral end sne esnes— work out, then about the moral and the other aspects and make snse-seneddes. — and the other aspects and make sure-complies. iwell,- sure that complies. well, ddssen — sure that complies. well, ddssen -yen - sure that complies. well, listen, you very much, all listen, thank you very much, all of me. that's of you, for joining me. that's andrew lawyer. andrew eborn. he's a lawyer. juua julia taylor, thank you very much. a psychiatric nurse. much. to a psychiatric nurse. also denis macshane, former labour and labour minister for europe, and andrew bolton, sorry, andrew henry bolton, sorry, international and international security and border control expert. thank you so much . well, if you're just so much. well, if you're just joining board joining me, welcome on board this on tv, online this is gb news on tv, online and digital radio. nana and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. the break, we will akua. after the break, we will continue with our great british debate. asking, should continue with our great british debnurses asking, should continue with our great british debnurses strike asking, should continue with our great british debnurses strike being, should continue with our great british debnurses strike be deemedild the nurses strike be deemed illegal ? is source of my illegal? it is the source of my panel illegal? it is the source of my panel, and columnist illegal? it is the source of my panel,cundy and columnist illegal? it is the source of my panel,cundy politicalmnist lizzie cundy was a political commentator. sam dowler. but first, get latest first, let's get your latest news . 4:35. i'm ray news headlines. 4:35. i'm ray adddsen— news headlines. 4:35. i'm ray adddsen n— news headlines. 4:35. i'm ray addison in the— news headlines. 4:35. i'm ray addison in the gb— : 4:35. i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom, the nnne— addison in the gb newsroom, the prime minister— addison in the gb newsroom, the prime minister has— addison in the gb newsroom, the prime minister has chaired an eneseensy— prime minister has chaired an emergency cobra meeting as desse— emergency cobra meeting as fierce fighting— emergency cobra meeting as fierce fighting in sudan enters its fierce fighting in sudan enters dss sesd— fierce fighting in sudan enters its second week,— fierce fighting in sudan enters its second week, government sses— its second week, government forces are battling with a eesensdnesy— forces are battling with a paramilitary group over control of paramilitary group over control es sne— paramilitary group over control of the capital,— paramilitary group over control of the capital, khartoum. snden-s— of the capital, khartoum.

sudan's military claims foreign nedeneds— sudan's military claims foreign nationals and— sudan's military claims foreign nationals and diplomats , nationals and diplomats, dnsdnddnd— nationals and diplomats, including those from the uk, us . sense— including those from the uk, us . sense end— including those from the uk, us , france and china,— including those from the uk, us , france and china, are to be evesneded— , france and china, are to be evacuated. the— , france and china, are to be evacuated. the world health eseensseden— evacuated. the world health organisation says more than 400 eeeede— organisation says more than 400 people neve— organisation says more than 400 people have been— organisation says more than 400 people have been killed and snensends— people have been killed and thousands thousands injured snse— thousands thousands injured sne— thousands thousands injured since the violence began . while since the violence began. while the since the violence began. while sne sns— since the violence began. while sne sns nes— since the violence began. while the snp has appointed stuart nsnenedd— the snp has appointed stuart nsnenedd es— the snp has appointed stuart mcdonald as the party's new treasurer following the resignation— treasurer following the resignation of msp colin neesdet— resignation of msp colin beattie, mr— resignation of msp colin beattie, mr beattie stepped down esses— beattie, mr beattie stepped down esses ne— beattie, mr beattie stepped down esses ne es— beattie, mr beattie stepped down after he was arrested by police snyesdeednd— after he was arrested by police investigating snp finances. he deses— investigating snp finances. he was later released without snesde. — was later released without snesee. sne— was later released without charge. the party's former chief exesndves — charge. the party's former chief executive, peter— charge. the party's former chief executive, peter murrell, who is edse— executive, peter murrell, who is edse nsede— executive, peter murrell, who is also nicola sturgeon's husband , also nicola sturgeon's husband, was also nicola sturgeon's husband, edse— also nicola sturgeon's husband, was also arrested— also nicola sturgeon's husband, was also arrested and questioned nesese— was also arrested and questioned nesese nene— was also arrested and questioned before being released. police are investigating the use of deceased— are investigating the use of eeootooo n— are investigating the use of £600,000 in donations meant for the independence— £600,000 in donations meant for the independence referendum . now the independence referendum. now a the independence referendum. now e sesend— the independence referendum. now esensne nenens— the independence referendum. now a serving member of the british esned— a serving member of the british esned sses— a serving member of the british armed forces has— a serving member of the british armed forces has appeared in senn— armed forces has appeared in send snesded— armed forces has appeared in court charged with offences nndes— court charged with offences nndes sne— court charged with offences under the official secrets act. 36 under the official secrets act. se yees— under the official secrets act. ss yees edd— under the official secrets act. 36 year old thomas newsom is essnsed— 36 year old thomas newsom is essnsed es— 36 year old thomas newsom is accused of sharing— 36 year old thomas newsom is accused of sharing highly sensddve— accused of sharing highly sensitive military information,

dnsdnddnd— sensitive military information, dnsdnddnd e— sensitive military information, including a ten— sensitive military information, including a ten page document snsendn— including a ten page document through social— including a ten page document through social media. the esesesnesss— through social media. the prosecutors claim if the information— prosecutors claim if the information was leaked, it would neve— information was leaked, it would neve sesed— information was leaked, it would neve sesed e— information was leaked, it would have caused a real— information was leaked, it would have caused a real and immediate need— have caused a real and immediate need se— have caused a real and immediate threat to british— have caused a real and immediate threat to british people outside of threat to british people outside es sne— threat to british people outside es sne nn— threat to british people outside es sne nn .— threat to british people outside of the uk . the— threat to british people outside of the uk . the family of stephen of the uk. the family of stephen lawrence have— of the uk. the family of stephen lawrence have held a memorial sendse— lawrence have held a memorial sendse n— lawrence have held a memorial service in trafalgar— lawrence have held a memorial service in trafalgar square to need— service in trafalgar square to nesd sne— service in trafalgar square to mark the 30th— service in trafalgar square to mark the 30th anniversary of his nnesd— mark the 30th anniversary of his nnesd .— mark the 30th anniversary of his nnesd . sne— mark the 30th anniversary of his murder . the 18— mark the 30th anniversary of his murder. the 18 year old was ndded— murder. the 18 year old was ndded n— murder. the 18 year old was ndded n e— murder. the 18 year old was killed in a racist— murder. the 18 year old was killed in a racist attack while neddnd— killed in a racist attack while neddnd ses— killed in a racist attack while neddng ses e— killed in a racist attack while waiting for a bus— killed in a racist attack while waiting for a bus in south east denden— waiting for a bus in south east denden. dds— waiting for a bus in south east london. it's alleged that the esdddned— london. it's alleged that the original investigation was ndndesed— original investigation was ndndesed ny— original investigation was hindered by racism and police sessneden— hindered by racism and police sessneden .— hindered by racism and police corruption , meaning it took corruption, meaning it took edness— corruption, meaning it took edness zo— corruption, meaning it took almost 20 years for two of his knees— almost 20 years for two of his nddess se— almost 20 years for two of his killers to face— almost 20 years for two of his killers to face justice. this en sv— killers to face justice. this we're on tv online , on dab+ we're on tv online, on dab+ sede— we're on tv online, on dab+ sedde. end— we're on tv online, on dab+ sedde. end en— we're on tv online, on dab+ radio, and on tune in to this is gb radio, and on tune in to this is en sens.— radio, and on tune in to this is gb news. back— radio, and on tune in to this is gb news. back now to nana . gb news. back now to nana. snend— gb news. back now to nana. snend yen— gb news. back now to nana. snenk yen . — gb news. back now to nana. thank you . it's— gb news. back now to nana. thank you . c sidis“ “g c. i3s�* thank you. it's coming up to 37 minutes after 4:00. this is gb

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on gb news, the people's channel. britain is watching . channel. britain is watching. welcome back. this is gb news on tv, - welcome back. this is gb news en sn enddne— . welcome back. this is gb news on tv, online-digital- on tv, online and on digital sede— on tv, online and on digital ede-sene— on tv, online and on digital radio. nana akua. like it's radio. i'm nana akua. like it's nne— radio. i'm nana akua. like it's dne ne— radio. i'm nana akua. like it's dne ses— radio. i'm nana akua. like it's time now for our— radio. i'm nana akua. like it's time now for our great british nenese— time now for our great british nenese-nens— time now for our great british debate-hour .— time now for our great british debate hour . and i'm debate this hour. and i'm esnnn— debate this hour. and i'mj asking,_nurses debate this hour. and i'm- asking,_nurses strike asking, should the nurses strike be asking, should the nurses strike ne desdesed— asking, should the nurses strike be declared illegal now? health sessesesy— secretary steve barclay is seennd— secretary steve barclay is- seeking _injunction seeking a high court injunction to seeking a high court injunction se ny— seeking a high court injunction se ssy end—

seeking a high court injunction to try and block— seeking a high court injunction to try and block the final day of to try and block the final day es—sendnd- to try and block the final day of_coming nurses| of the up and coming nurses ssnse— of the up and coming nurses snse-snen- of the up and coming nurses strike,-that it- of the up and coming nurses strike, that it falls strike, arguing that it falls enssdde— strike, arguing that it falls outside—six. strike, arguing that it falls- outside_six month outside the required six month period— outside the required six month eened ssen— outside the required six month period from when votes are cast in period from when votes are cast dn seve— period from when votes are cast dn seven es— period from when votes are cast in favour of industrial action . in favour of industrial action. nev— in favour of industrial action. nev nessdey— in favour of industrial action. now barclay and— in favour of industrial action. now barclay and the nhs bosses esene— now barclay and the nhs bosses esene-sne— now barclay and the nhs bosses esene-sne seyed— now barclay and the nhs bosses argue the royal college of argue that the royal college of sses— argue that the royal college of nurses ballot— argue that the royal college of nurses ballot closed at midday argue that the royal college of nu november closed at midday argue that the royal college of nu november the ;ed at midday argue that the royal college of nu november the 2nd,t midday argue that the royal college of nu november the 2nd, which ay argue that the royal college of nu november the 2nd, which ,/ argue that the royal college of nu november the 2nd, which , if on november the 2nd, which, if ssne— on november the 2nd, which, if ssne. nendd— on november the 2nd, which, if true, would mean— on november the 2nd, which, if true, would mean that they would not true, would mean that they would nes-mendese— true, would mean that they would not-mandate to- true, would mean that they would not mandate to strike not have the mandate to strike on not have the mandate to strike en—sdnedl not have the mandate to strike. en—sdned dey on may the second, the final day of on may the second, the final day es sne— on may the second, the final day es sne edenned— on may the second, the final day of the planned _and - on may the second, the final day of the planned and of of the planned walkout. and of senssetlsne— of the planned walkout. and of course,.the court— of the planned walkout. and of course, the court agrees that course, if the court agrees that sne— course, if the court agrees that sne ses— course, if the court agrees that the nurses strike— course, if the court agrees that the nurses strike would be needed— the nurses strike would be illegal therefore the nurses strike would be- illegal-therefore need illegal and may therefore need to illegal and may therefore need se-ess.— illegal and may therefore need se-ess. ven- illegal and may therefore need to-off. now, the- illegal and may therefore need to off. now, the rcn to be called off. now, the rcn denesed— to be called off. now, the rcn general secretary,— to be called off. now, the rcn general secretary, pat cullen, nes— general secretary, pat cullen, has responded _ general secretary, pat cullen, has responded saying the has responded by saying that the deed— has responded by saying that the deeed esden— has responded by saying that the legal action is— has responded by saying that the legal action is cruel and unacceptable— legal action is cruel and unacceptable ,- legal action is cruel and unacceptable , causing the unacceptable, causing the government— unacceptable, causing the government accusing the devesnnens— government accusing the government of- government accusing the government of punishing the nurses for rejecting the latest pay— nurses for rejecting the latest eey esses. — nurses for rejecting the latest eey esses. se — nurses for rejecting the latest eey esses. se ss— nurses for rejecting the latest pay offer. so if the great nndsn— pay offer. so if the great british debate - pay offer. so if the great british debate this are asking snendd— british debate this are asking snendd sne— british debate this are asking should the nurses be should the nurses strike be desdesed— should the nurses strike be declared-well- should the nurses strike be declared well let's see declared illegal? well let's see nnes— declared illegal? well let's see nnes-sened— declared illegal? well let's see what-panel make- declared illegal? well let's see what panel make that. what my panel make of that. i mean,-you think- what my panel make of that. i mean, you think sam mean, what do you think sam nendes— mean, what do you think sam dowler-lizzie— mean, what do you think sam dowler lizzie cundy joining dowler and lizzie cundy joining me now-started— dowler and lizzie cundy joining me now. started time. me now. you started last time. nen-s— me now. you started last time. nens-yen— me now. you started last time. don't-your mouth,- me now. you started last time. don't your mouth, liz. don't open your mouth, liz. sve-se— don't open your mouth, liz. ne-se—deedl don't open your mouth, liz. neve—deed .i don't open your mouth, liz. i we're—look , it's we're yes, you did. look, it's i snsed— we're yes, you did. look, it's i think everyone's allowed to voice and strike apart from obviously the army. but but look, i think this is the wrong

way to go about it. it's just going to cause more hostility . going to cause more hostility. the government need to get them round the table al asap. look the last offer was rejected and i mean 46. actually, you know, voted to accept the last deal. they're very close. two thirds didn't even vote at all. so if you look how close that is and i just think that they they really do the government now, this is a wrong way to go about it. the nurses don't want to be in court. they they probably don't want to most of them don't want to strike all of them, but they need get round table. the need to get round the table. the government this a way government this is a wrong way to it. i, i agree. i mean, to do it. i, i agree. i mean, dds— to do it. i, i agree. i mean, ds-s edness— to do it. i, i agree. i mean, it's almost like— to do it. i, i agree. i mean, it's almost like like- s:sis c i, i agree. i mean, it's almost like like anti anti snen— it's almost like like anti anti sneds en— it's almost like like anti anti their own population as in like, you— their own population as in like, yen snen— their own population as in like, yen knen yen— their own population as in like, you know, you like— their own population as in like, you know, you like like me . like you know, you like like me. like the you know, you like like me. like sne ses— you know, you like like me. like the nurses can't— you know, you like like me. like the nurses can't strike. and if snds— the nurses can't strike. and if snds dees— the nurses can't strike. and if this goes through the courts and sney— this goes through the courts and sney ee— this goes through the courts and sney sennd— this goes through the courts and they are found to— this goes through the courts and they are found to not be able to ssnse— they are found to not be able to ssnde. s— they are found to not be able to ssnde. s e— they are found to not be able to strike, i mean what— they are found to not be able to strike, i mean what is that going— strike, i mean what is that going se— strike, i mean what is that going se sey— strike, i mean what is that going to say and what's that going— going to say and what's that going se— going to say and what's that going se deed— going to say and what's that going to look like? �*ifvsisitcc c going to look like? well, it vendd— going to look like? well, it vendd sey— going to look like? well, it would say that as a nurse, you

shouldn't be allowed to strike. i don't think they should be allowed yeah, but allowed to strike. yeah, but but edse.— allowed to strike. yeah, but but edse-sns— allowed to strike. yeah, but but edset-snds ss— allowed to strike. yeah, but but also,-this is the- also, i mean, this is the government— also, i mean, this is the government were also, i mean, this is the government-were to government who were trying to roll government who were trying to sesd-en— government who were trying to roll-on-rights- roll back on human rights as nen— roll back on human rights as vedd. s— roll back on human rights as vedd. s neen— roll back on human rights as well. i mean, it— roll back on human rights as well. i mean, it just looks like sney-se— well. i mean, it just looks like sney-se seddsnd— well. i mean, it just looks like they're rolling back on human well. i mean, it just looks like they'rswithing back on human well. i mean, it just looks like they'rswith the back on human well. i mean, it just looks like they'rswith the with on human well. i mean, it just looks like they'rswith the with theiuman well. i mean, it just looks like they'rswith the with the migrant rights with the with the migrant snsds— rights with the with the migrant crisis-rolling— rights with the with the migrant crisis-rolling-on- rights with the with the migrant crisis rolling on human crisis and rolling back on human sddnss. — crisis and rolling back on human sddnss. -nes— crisis and rolling back on human rights. _has sevilla- rights. sevilla has sevilla is trying the trying to get out of the european court human rights. european court of human rights. whose talking whose rights are you talking about? the people about? the rights of the people to their space not to have their own space not invaded rights the invaded or the rights of the people the channel people coming across the channel illegally? is illegally? well, this is this is a the moment a moot point at the moment because talking about the because we're talking about the nurses. yeah, mean about nurses. yeah, no, i mean about esens— nurses. yeah, no, i mean about esens nnese— nurses. yeah, no, i mean about about what? what— yeah, no, i mean about about what? what they're trying to about what? what they're trying se-sedd— about what? what they're trying se-sedd sesd— about what? what they're trying to roll back human rights to do is roll back human rights so to do is roll back human rights sesennese-l- to do is roll back human rights. so _canimore cruel. so that they can be more cruel. nnes— so that they can be more cruel. nnes esens— so that they can be more cruel. what about-rights- so that they can be more cruel. what about. rights .the- what about the rights of the patients, though? not patients, though? do they not have and of have human rights? and of course, do. and i have human rights? and of course,-do. and i do. have human rights? and of- course,-do. and i do think course, and i do. and i do think sne— course, and i do. and i do think sne eedenss— course, and i do. and i do think the patients do.— course, and i do. and i do think the patients do. and they and sney— the patients do. and they and sney-es— the patients do. and they and sney-eslseddt— the patients do. and they and they-aslsaid, just- the patients do. and they and they as said, just now, they and as i said, just now, sney— they and as i said, just now, sney-nens— they and as i said, just now, sney-nens se- they and as i said, just now, they want to strike they do not want to strike the nnsvvses-ens— they do not want to strike the nurses want strike. the nurses don't want to strike. the dessess—se- nurses don't want to strike. the doctors _to strike.- doctors don't want to strike. ss-s— doctors don't want to strike. dds-e— doctors don't want to strike. ss-s-e dess— doctors don't want to strike. it's-a last, last- doctors don't want to strike. it's a last, last resort. it's a it's a last, last resort. sne— it's a it's a last, last resort. sne seesn— it's a it's a last, last resort. the reason why— it's a it's a last, last resort. the reason why this- it's a it's a last, last resort. the reason why this is- the reason why this is different, they're taking away critical cancer units. critical care from cancer units. a&e intensive this is now a&e intensive care. this is now the public have always stood by the public have always stood by the nurses. and you know, we all they still went through the

covid. won't want the covid. they won't want the sympathy start to ebb away sympathy will start to ebb away when we hear about people's loved dying because there loved ones dying because there will be loss of life and this is where it is. so the government need to step in asap . get round need to step in asap. get round the table, get round the table . the table, get round the table. why aren't they why aren't why aren'tdthey why aren't they why aren't they why aren't they sessne— why aren't they why aren't they eesssne sennd— why aren't they why aren't they getting round the— why aren't they why aren't they getting round the table and sednnd— getting round the table and talking-heavy. getting round the table and- talking-heavy handed talking about this heavy handed approach? — talking about this heavy handed approach? _will. talking about this heavy handed. approach? _will just approach? because this will just bnng approach? because this will just bring lack of bring hostility and lack of sympathy. but i'm telling you now the stories now, when you hear the stories and there'll be many loved and there'll be many of loved ones being lost, loved ones and young children not being supported , intensive care, that supported, intensive care, that sympathy for the nurses will blame will land blame will land with the government, not with the nurses . it's because it's the nurses. it's because it's because they ran away. critical care for the first time. but then. but then not. but they're not then. but then not. but they're nes getting— then. but then not. but they're nes eesssne nes— t“ but then not. but they're not getting not being one of yen—os- not getting not being one ofi your—of course. not getting not being one of- your_of course. you your loved ones. of course. you having a serious accident and being left in arnie for 19 hours. seen. i hours. fine getting seen. i understand fact that, hours. fine getting seen. i undeiwe nd fact that, hours. fine getting seen. i undeiwe all fact that, cisitcc “s: t“ i undeiwe all pay fact that, cisitcc “s: t“ i undeiwe all pay throughiat, csitcc “s: t“ i undeiwe all pay through the look, we all pay through the ses— look, we all pay through the nose for our— look, we all pay through the nose for our national insurance. svesyene-s— nose for our national insurance. svesyene-s eeysnd— nose for our national insurance. everyone's paying for right? everyone's paying for it, right? so everyone's paying for it, right? se—ses- everyone's paying for it, right? se—ses snds. i everyone's paying for it, right?| so_for this. so so we're all paying for this. so if so we're all paying for this. so ds-den-s— so we're all paying for this. so ds-den-s nens— so we're all paying for this. so if-don't want to - so we're all paying for this. so if-don't want to be- so we're all paying for this. so if don't want to be nhs if they don't want to be nhs nurse _can join.

nurse nurses, they can join envese— nurse nurses, they can join private-nurses- nurse nurses, they can join private nurses who nurse nurses, they can join- private-nurses who are private medical nurses who are sesnd— private medical nurses who are sesnd-snse— private medical nurses who are being-twice that- private medical nurses who are being twice that and in being paid twice that and in sesn— being paid twice that and in fact,-becomes- being paid twice that and in fact, becomes argument fact, this becomes an argument as fact, this becomes an argument es—ne- fact, this becomes an argument. es—ne snendd as to whether actually we should be as to whether actually we should see-nns— as to whether actually we should see-nns end- as to whether actually we should be nhs and whether be having an nhs and whether it's be having an nhs and whetherj ss-snennes— it's sustainable in this manner. if it's sustainable in this manner. ss eeeede— it's sustainable in this manner. ss eeeede-ende— it's sustainable in this manner. if people .able to - it's sustainable in this manner. if people able to strike. if if people are able to strike. if snes— if people are able to strike. if snes-e— if people are able to strike. if that-a private— if people are able to strike. if that a private company that was a private company and you— that was a private company and yen vvesens— that was a private company and yen nesen-s—yensl you weren't happy with your veget— you weren't happy with your nedet—and you weren't happy with your. nedet—and se you weren't happy with your- wage,—and so i wage, you would leave. and so i think— wage, you would leave. and so i think-the— wage, you would leave. and so i think-the actual- wage, you would leave. and so i think the actual notion think that now the actual notion of an— think that now the actual notion of an nhs— think that now the actual notion of an was set— think that now the actual notion of an nhs set up— think that now the actual notion of an nhs set up in this manner is actually— of an nhs set up in this manner is actually flawed.— of an nhs set up in this manner is actually flawed. and a lot of people— is actually flawed. and a lot of people say,— is actually flawed. and a lot of people save-in- is actually flawed. and a lot of people say, in australia people say, oh, but in australia opo— people say, oh, but in australia oeo—peo— people say, oh, but in australia oeo—poo p..- and in this, yes, but in australia— and in this, yes, but in australia it's- and in this, yes, but in australia it's an nhs, it's australia it's not an nhs, it's not:— australia it's not an nhs, it's poo, pp.— australia it's not an nhs, it's poo, ire-we— australia it's not an nhs, it's not, it's it's privatised not, it's not, it's a privatised keno— not, it's not, it's a privatised kind of— not, it's not, it's a privatised kind of cross— not, it's not, it's a privatised kind of cross pollinated medical system — kind of cross pollinated medical system one— kind of cross pollinated medical system and perhaps and they're opte— system and perhaps and they're app. oo— system and perhaps and they're app. to offer— system and perhaps and they're able to offer good— system and perhaps and they're able to offer good jobs and good money — able to offer good jobs and good moey nemope— able to offer good jobs and good money. perhaps what needs money. perhaps that's what needs to be— money. perhaps that's what needs no pe noppenmp. — money. perhaps that's what needs no pe noppenmp. .— money. perhaps that's what needs to be happening. agflznz; money. perhaps that's what needs to be happening. egos; to be happening. i agree with you.— to be happening. i agree with yon-n— to be happening. i agree with you. it needs be you. it needs it needs to be restructured. it to be restructured. it needs to be completely and completely restructured. and i agree. with you agree. and i've agreed with you all the time about this, but i mean but it just the optics of the government going up against the government going up against the trying to stop the nurses and trying to stop and to stop them, even and trying to stop them, even even protesting to some more even protesting to get some more money, just money, i mean, it just it just looks terrible. classic looks terrible. it's classic tory nasty party. and it's just it just time at a it just it just at a time at a time this when we are time like this when we are supposed to be loving our nhs and nurses and and loving our nurses and thanking them for pandemic

thanking them for the pandemic and a year before, a year before the general election, it just looks horrendous. it's the fault of successive _ : it's the fault of successive governments, not men— of successive governments, not men one— of successive governments, not just this government. it's been 13 just this government. it's been no yeom— just this government. it's been no years on— just this government. it's been 13 years of this— just this government. it's been 13 years of this government, the nns— 13 years of this government, the nns m— 13 years of this government, the nns m o— 13 years of this government, the nhs is a shambolic mess and you eon-n— nhs is a shambolic mess and you eon-n soy— nhs is a shambolic mess and you come eoy onynnmp. — nhs is a shambolic mess and you can't say anything. it's like one— can't say anything. it's like this political— can't say anything. it's like this political football now. nen— this political football now. keir starmer— this political football now. keir starmer is— this political football now. keir starmer is coming out nomine— keir starmer is coming out talking about— keir starmer is coming out talking about it. what is exactly— talking about it. what is exactly keir— talking about it. what is exactly keir starmer going to do 7 neu— exactly keir starmer going to do e not me— exactly keir starmer going to do eneu mee-e-n- exactly keir starmer going to do .7 tell me, he's using it .7 tell me, because he's using it momen— .7 tell me, because he's using it opomen nne— .7 tell me, because he's using it opennen one pony— .7 tell me, because he's using it against the tory party. exactly wnen— against the tory party. exactly mm m— against the tory party. exactly mm m ne— against the tory party. exactly what is he going— against the tory party. exactly what is he going to do.7 and against the tory party. exactly what is he going to do? and at the what is he going to do? and at one some— what is he going to do? and at the same time— what is he going to do? and at the same time reboot my friend's gone— the same time reboot my friend's gone no— the same time reboot my friend's pone no meme — the same time reboot my friend's gone to france. it— the same time reboot my friend's gone to france. it needs an operation— gone to france. it needs an operation because they can get an operation because they can get on operation— operation because they can get an operation in— operation because they can get an operation in three weeks. mere-e— an operation in three weeks. mere-e..— an operation in three weeks. mere-e.- a— an operation in three weeks. mere-e.- a ns- an operation in three weeks. there's . a 15 month wait there's over. a 15 month wait nee.— there's over. a 15 month wait nene. n— there's over. a 15 month wait nene. n m— there's over. a 15 month wait here. it is madness. that's why going— here. it is madness. that's why pomp no— here. it is madness. that's why one's going to turkey. but they eeeo— one's going to turkey. but they need no— one's going to turkey. but they need to soy— one's going to turkey. but they used to say it's— one's going to turkey. but they used to say it's a— one's going to turkey. but they used to say it's a jewel in the con— used to say it's a jewel in the con nne— used to say it's a jewel in the crown. the nhs— used to say it's a jewel in the crown. the nhs is— used to say it's a jewel in the crown. the nhs is not. c crown. the nhs is not. it's not. unen— crown. the nhs is not. it's not. listen, everyone's you know, the nurses don't like the way they're being paid. they don't like not like the system. it's not working. erg then join the private nurses who being private nurses who are being paid £200. don't they do paid £200. why don't they do that? they become that? why don't they become private we can private nurses and then we can change system and actually change the system and actually have where people are have a system where people are the reason i'm paying a fortune.

the reason i'm paying a fortune. the reason i'm paying a fortune. the reason why is because it's become— the reason why is because it's become oney— the reason why is because it's because they want. because they nonn— because they want. because they none—no - because they want. because they none—no pe. l want to help. they want to be. t hey— want to help. they want to be. nney-no — want to help. they want to be. nney-no pe — want to help. they want to be. nney-no pe pon- want to help. they want to be. they to be part the nhs. they want to be part of the nhs. it's they want to be part of the nhs. n-e-n-e— they want to be part of the nhs. n-e-n-e me— they want to be part of the nhs. it's-it's the-as- they want to be part of the nhs. it's-it's the _as like - it's like it's the same as like one—ne- it's like it's the same as like one—n-e nne- it's like it's the same as like the—it's the same| it's like it's the same as like. the—it's the same as the they want. it's the same as me— the they want. it's the same as me one— the they want. it's the same as me one some— the they want. it's the same as it's the same as— the they want. it's the same as it's the same as with the care eeoonn— it's the same as with the care eeoonn non— it's the same as with the care sector, for example. they don't do_mo..y._ sector, for example. they don't oo-money-ool sector, for example. they don't oo-money-oo ni do it for the money. they do it become— do it for the money. they do it become-no- do it for the money. they do it because-to care.- because they want to care. i non-n— because they want to care. i oon-n-nney— because they want to care. i don't-they want- because they want to care. i don't they want to care don't think they want to care eno— don't think they want to care and oney— don't think they want to care and oney nonn— don't think they want to care and they want to— don't think they want to care and they want to after and they want to look after people.— and they want to look after people-on— and they want to look after people. of course. that's people. yeah, of course. that's why— people. yeah, of course. that's nny-ne— people. yeah, of course. that's nny-me o— people. yeah, of course. that's why-it's a calling.- people. yeah, of course. that's why it's a calling. it's why it's a it's a calling. it's a why it's a it's a calling. it's owo—ke why it's a it's a calling. it's. owo—ke m a calling. my partner works in care-is a calling.- a calling. my partner works in care is a calling. see care and it is a calling. i see it care and it is a calling. i see in m— care and it is a calling. i see in m me— care and it is a calling. i see in m me eyes.— care and it is a calling. i see it in his eyes. and- care and it is a calling. i see it in his eyes. and when he nome— it in his eyes. and when he talks about— it in his eyes. and when he talks about the _ it in his eyes. and when he talks about the patients that he nome— talks about the patients that he works mm.— talks about the patients that he works with. but— talks about the patients that he works with. but it— talks about the patients that he works with. but it calling. works with. but it is a calling. me— works with. but it is a calling. ppe_p..p- works with. but it is a calling. i pp._p..p-.6% the government's last offer, 46% of the members want voted to accept not over 50, of the members want voted to acit?»t not over 50, of the members want voted to acit? and not over 50, of the members want voted to acit? and that not over 50, of the members want voted to acit? and that notvoted. 0, of the members want voted to acit? and that notvoted. you is it? and that work voted. you know, they are so close. know, again, they are so close. i don't think in i just don't think going in place going to work i just don't think going in pl.help going to work i just don't think going in pl.help anyone. going to work i just don't think going in pl.help anyone. the ng to work i just don't think going in pl.help anyone. the strikes/ork i just don't think going in pl.help anyone. the strikes will or help anyone. the strikes will go on and loss of life. i tell you what, this show- go on and loss of life. i tell you what, this show is- 92» pin" a“: c i tell you what, this show is nothing monom— you what, this show is nothing nnnom yon— you what, this show is nothing without you and _ you what, this show is nothing without you and views. without you and your views. nen-e— without you and your views. neon—oreen- without you and your views. . let's—great british without you and your views. let's their great british without you and your views. let's their opportunityt british without you and your views. let's their opportunity to ritish without you and your views. let's their opportunity to be ;h voice, their opportunity to be on one— voice, their opportunity to be on one-eno— voice, their opportunity to be on the - and - about. voice, their opportunity to be . on the _and .about the on the show and talk about the topmo— on the show and talk about the topics-discussing- on the show and talk about the topics-discussing .- on the show and talk about the topics discussing . where topics we're discussing. where enomo— topics we're discussing. wherei enomo—ne should we head to? should we go to should we head to? should we go no-ono— should we head to? should we go no-ono-o— should we head to? should we go no-ono-o enen- should we head to? should we go to-and-a chat with. to bristol and have a chat with lee— to bristol and have a chat with nee-nome— to bristol and have a chat with lee-harrislbristol?- to bristol and have a chat with lee harris bristol? you lee lee harris in bristol? you maven-n— lee lee harris in bristol? you noven-n—o- lee lee harris in bristol? youi haven't—a while? haven't seen him for a while? nee— haven't seen him for a while? nee-nen— haven't seen him for a while? nee-nen ou- haven't seen him for a while? lee-her all week,- lee i've seen her all week, mommy.— lee i've seen her all week, actually. lee.— lee i've seen her all week, actually. lee. lee look, should it actually. lee. lee look, should n pe— actually. lee. lee look, should n be deemed— actually. lee. lee look, should it be deemed illegal? and

economy,— it be deemed illegal? and economy, .— it be deemed illegal? and actually, i think the question is, actually, i think the question pe-nney— actually, i think the question m-nney-pe- is, should they really be allowed— is, should they really be allowed strike? mean, look allowed to strike? i mean, look at- _ allowed to strike? i mean, look on- yeom— allowed to strike? i mean, look at- yeah.lmean,. allowed to strike? i mean, looki at- yeahlmean, it's at the mess. yeah. i mean, it's at the mess. yeah. i mean, it's a taking them to a bold move taking them to court. not going but court. i'm not going to lie, but if take the moral argument if you take the moral argument out, know, as of your out, you know, as one of your guests and look at guests said earlier, and look at it technical point of it from a technical point of law, then the government is well within to pursue within its rights to pursue this course especially if within its rights to pursue this cowill especially if within its rights to pursue this cowill save especially if within its rights to pursue this cowill save lives.especially if within its rights to pursue this cowill save lives. so ecially if within its rights to pursue this cowill save lives. so i:ially if within its rights to pursue this cowill save lives. so i hope if within its rights to pursue this cowill save lives. so i hope to it will save lives. so i hope to succeed then might back succeed then might get back around from around the table. but from a moral view, i do moral point of view, i do believe nurses need a pay rise and i hope they can get back around the table. but i think this latest by the royal this latest move by the royal college of nursing is way over the top. you know, i really struggle nana with them using people's lives as bargaining chips . and the rcn secretary pat chips. and the rcn secretary pat cullen described the health secretary's decision to pursue legal action as cruel and unacceptable . well, i think unacceptable. well, i think deliberately putting lives at risk over a dispute about pay is cruel and unacceptable . while cruel and unacceptable. while hundreds of thousands of operations and appointments have already been cancelled due to strike action. and it's not just the government that disagrees.

labouri the government that disagrees. labour i don't agree either. wes streeting said he was deeply worried about nurses withdrawing emergency care during the 48 hour strike and it was the wrong thing to do. i think we've actually unity actually got a bit of unity between main party as between the two main party as you know, they still have public support , will that. but support, i will admit that. but the polls are showing that pubuc the polls are showing that public support is starting to decline. and if they go ahead with these strikes and people start suffer and die, they start to suffer and die, they will quickly public support will quickly turn public support against them. have absolutely against them. i have absolutely no doubt about that. but my view is they have stepped over the line with this latest strike action . it's unnecessary for action. it's unnecessary for them to go this extra mile and genuinely there are other opfions genuinely there are other options available to them. they don't need to do this. i think it's unfair and dangerous. yeah, well, a lot of people popp— yeah, well, a lot of people would epee— yeah, well, a lot of people would agree with you there. i non-n— would agree with you there. i non-n non-n— would agree with you there. i don't don't get— would agree with you there. i don't don't get i— would agree with you there. i don't don't get i understand oney-ne— don't don't get i understand oneyne non— don't don't get i understand they're not happy with the pay omen— they're not happy with the pay omen pm— they're not happy with the pay omen pm m— they're not happy with the pay offer, but in reality, most people-e— offer, but in reality, most people's pay— offer, but in reality, most people's pay has not gone up and oney— people's pay has not gone up and oney-non— people's pay has not gone up and oney-non non.— people's pay has not gone up and they-not alone. lee- people's pay has not gone up and they not alone. lee harris, they are not alone. lee harris, monk— they are not alone. lee harris, monk yon— they are not alone. lee harris, monk you very— they are not alone. lee harris, thank you very-it's- they are not alone. lee harris, thank you very it's really thank you very much. it's really good— thank you very much. it's really goon-yon. — thank you very much. it's really goon-yon. nee- thank you very much. it's really goon-yon. men a. good to talk to you. he's a mem— good to talk to you. he's a great—you're. good to talk to you. he's a. great—you're with great british voice you're with

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had contacted her. so that was number one. that's not right. and then why is it brought out now? it's very extraordinary. i think it's just to get headlines and to leave the sort of feeling that there is still a lot of racism there in the royal family. it's using that word because harry, when he was interviewed just before his memoir came out, spare, he said that there's nonsense . there's that there's nonsense. there's no badness in the in the royal family. there's no racism . um, family. there's no racism. um, and he went as far to say- um, and he went as far to say no. me— and he went as far to say no. me people— and he went as far to say no. me people l— and he went as far to say no. the people i know aren't racist. wo— the people i know aren't racist. wo. so— the people i know aren't racist. wo. so ws— the people i know aren't racist. wo. so its very— the people i know aren't racist. no. so it's very interesting how oey— no. so it's very interesting how oey yoe— no. so it's very interesting how one day you've got something and the one day you've got something and me new— one day you've got something and me new oey— one day you've got something and me new oey yon— one day you've got something and the next day you haven't got somemlnp. — the next day you haven't got something. and— the next day you haven't got something. 2 the next day you haven't got something. ' z the next day you haven't got something. "2 something. and so it's a real it's a real shame that it's come up now . and i think there are up now. and i think there are people other than meghan who are making it very difficult for the royal family to just get on and have a wonderful coronation. i think people are actually a bit slow— think people are actually a bit slew of— think people are actually a bit slow on w— think people are actually a bit sick of it now.— think people are actually a bit sick of it now. i— think people are actually a bit sick of it now. i mean, i don't

minn— sick of it now. i mean, i don't lnlnl l— sick of it now. i mean, i don't lnlnl l meen— sick of it now. i mean, i don't think i mean, i— sick of it now. i mean, i don't think i mean, i think she's still— think i mean, i think she's still obviously— think i mean, i think she's still obviously rates well on soslel— still obviously rates well on social media— still obviously rates well on social media and things, but i mink— social media and things, but i lnlnl people— social media and things, but i think people are— social media and things, but i think people are actually gelling— think people are actually pelllnp e— think people are actually pelllnp e on— think people are actually getting a bit bored. i mean, i'm penne— getting a bit bored. i mean, i'm gelling—on- getting a bit bored. i mean, i'm gelling—of mis- getting a bit bored. i mean, i'm getting of this now. getting a bit bored of this now. even— getting a bit bored of this now. ewen-lye— getting a bit bored of this now. ewen-lye just— getting a bit bored of this now. even - i've just had - getting a bit bored of this now. even i've just had enough of even me, i've just had enough of it even me, i've just had enough of w elso. — even me, i've just had enough of w elso. l— even me, i've just had enough of w elso. l meen— even me, i've just had enough of it also. i mean, the— even me, i've just had enough of it also. i mean, the queen, i'm very— it also. i mean, the queen, i'm very angry— it also. i mean, the queen, i'm very emery-ll— it also. i mean, the queen, i'm very angry it, actually. very angry with it, actually. i mean,-so much- very angry with it, actually. ii mean,-so much boring, mean, it's not so much boring, but think you do that? but i think how can you do that? you we're talking you know, we're talking about two ago, husband two years ago, your husband said that such racism in that there was no such racism in the royal family, and yet you come out this, you know, come out with this, you know, just before the just two weeks before the coronation. now, that's just spoiling things, isn't it? said it wasn't . and that was the it wasn't. and that was the reason. one of the reasons why she's not coming. well, why did she's not coming. well, why did she come to the jubilee celebration? it's all celebration? i mean, it's all a mess. just annoys me. it's mess. it's just annoys me. it's not true. she's not coming peoewse— not true. she's not coming. because-embarrassed because she'd be embarrassed pesewse— because she'd be embarrassedj pesewse—nen because people would boo her and she because people would boo her and sne—pe— because people would boo her and sne—be booed.- she doesn't want to be booed. sne— she doesn't want to be booed. sne loesn-l— she doesn't want to be booed. she doesn't want— she doesn't want to be booed. she doesn't want she has to find a-ppe.epo.e,_ she doesn't want she has to find a-therefore, it- she doesn't want she has to find a therefore, it doesn't a reason. therefore, it doesn't look— a reason. therefore, it doesn't lool—wnl- a reason. therefore, it doesn't lool—wnl w-sl a reason. therefore, it doesn'ti look—and it's so look like it's her. and it's so arrogant well. you arrogant as well. well, you know, satisfied the know, i'm not satisfied with the way it's been responded to. you know, talking to king know, she's talking to the king of think she's got of england. i think she's got nomine— of england. i think she's got momma-lo— of england. i think she's got nothing -to - nothing i nothing else to do. nothing else to nothing else to do. nothing else lo-lney-ne— nothing else to do. nothing else lo-lney-ne-lo- to sell. and they're trying to mne — to sell. and they're trying to- find—something find something, make something up.

find something, make something wp—me— find something, make something wp—lne plowe- find something, make something up._the picture of- up. i mean, in the picture of me— up. i mean, in the picture of me epeen-s— up. i mean, in the picture of the queen's 97th— up. i mean, in the picture of the queen's 97th birthday, what wooll— the queen's 97th birthday, what would—sown- the queen's 97th birthday, what would _97th, those i would have been a 97th, those were grandchildren. and were her grandchildren. and pesewse— were her grandchildren. and because _they'vel because of the way they've penned,— because of the way they've. behaved,-meghan's because of the way they've behaved were meghan's because of the way they've behaved were nfrom n's because of the way they've behaved were nfrom that children were absent from that plowe— picture. well, they're absent pesewse—lnl because it was all done in nelmonel— because it was all done in balmoral-they- because it was all done in balmoral they were invited balmoral and they were invited to balmoral and they were invitedi lo—ome to balmoral. they didn't come and didn't you and they didn't come. so you can't picture if people can't do a picture if people aren't there. i mean, that's also nonsense sort of thing. but let's something yes and let's do something nice. yes and that fergie , who was saying that is fergie, who was saying the other day that she feels not at all upset that she's not being invited , kid to the being invited, kid to the coronation because as she's divorced and there's not a lot of people there and it's a state event, not a private event. and the program she was on, she was being pushed because they really wanted to angry about it. wanted her to be angry about it. but she wasn't. was very but she wasn't. she was very charming. was very nice. charming. she was very nice. she you know, she said she got on very, very well . they said, do very, very well. they said, do you get on with charles? you get on well with charles? and she said, you mean king charles? you know, she was quite firm about that. and she said , firm about that. and she said, yes. and also very, very well with camilla. and i had a wonderful time with camilla. and i had a wonderfultime christmas

wonderful time at christmas there. invited there. they invited me for christmas was the first time christmas. it was the first time in 30 years. so sort of made in 30 years. so she sort of made it she's not going make it that she's not going to make a happy and a fuss. she's quite happy and she did say quite cunningly that i think the main thing is that the family work together. we've got to be together , which got to be together, which i thought little at thought was a little dig at harry meghan. yes. yes, she harry and meghan. yes. yes, she did that, harry and meghan. yes. yes, she did .that, didn't— harry and meghan. yes. yes, she did .that, didn't she?- did say that, didn't she? i remember that. but i thought, yeen.— remember that. but i thought, yew-else— remember that. but i thought, yeah.-else have- remember that. but i thought, yeah. else have we yeah. so what else have we got going— yeah. so what else have we got polnp-wnylnlne— yeah. so what else have we goti going-anything-well, going on? anything else? well, yes.— going on? anything else? well, yes-mm — going on? anything else? well, yes,-tom parker- going on? anything else? well, yes, tom parker bowles yes, i think tom parker bowles did this mean, did very well this week. i mean, his camilla's son, who's a chef, professional chef and writes on food and he actually sort of said that he felt very strongly that he doesn't think of his mother as the queen. he thinks of his mother as his mother, because that's what she's like. and he loves her. and he said that he's he that she's she's she didn't marry because she wanted to be the queen. she married because she's been in love with king charles for a very long time . um, and it's not very long time. um, and it's not been a plan of hers and she hasn't worked out how she was going to get this. and i thought

that was a very kind way of actually supporting his mother , actually supporting his mother, slapping prince harry on the hand and saying, don't you dare say that about my mother. and actually supporting her in a very strong way. and i thought it was it was charming, actually , because he's he's of an age where he decides whether he wants to do these things or not, and he did. and that saves his mother actually trying to justify herself in any way, which she obviously doesn't need to. well, i mean, i'm getting very excited for the coronation angela. and of course, joining us angela. and of course, joining es el— angela. and of course, joining us at buckingham— ' 3 and of course, joining us at buckingham palace and comme— us at buckingham palace and somlnp so— us at buckingham palace and eomlnp so no— us at buckingham palace and coming so do i.— us at buckingham palace and coming so do i. looking forward to coming so do i. looking forward lo-veen— coming so do i. looking forward lo-veen geome— coming so do i. looking forward to yeah getting myself to that. yeah getting myself needy— to that. yeah getting myself neely e— to that. yeah getting myself neely e-ol- to that. yeah getting myself ready a of weeks now. ready a couple of weeks now. just— ready a couple of weeks now. wst—ves- - ready a couple of weeks now. just—yes. what's| just two weeks. yes. what's weennp— just two weeks. yes. what's wearing the interesting wearing is the interesting thing. wear red, thing. have i got to wear red, white and blue somehow? i'm not sure i'm going to have— white and blue somehow? i'm not sure i'm going to have to- oi“ a“: , i'm not sure i'm going to have to start snopplnp— sure i'm going to have to start snopplnp enen— sure i'm going to have to start shopping after 11.— sure i'm going to have to start shopping after 11. thank you so shopping after11. thank you so meen.— shopping after11. thank you so meen—lo- shopping after 11. thank you so meen—lo-lol shopping after 11. thank you so. meen. —lo-lo yow much. really good to talk to you as_fascinating- as ever. okay. fascinating slum. — as ever. okay. fascinating slum. -noyel- as ever. okay. fascinating stuff. royal biographer stuff. that is royal biographer angele—en- stuff. that is royal biographeri angela—gb news. angela levin. this is gb news. stey— angela levin. this is gb news. sley wnen— angela levin. this is gb news. stay tuned. nana.— angela levin. this is gb news. stay tuned. nana. akua. there's loels— stay tuned. nana. akua. there's loels moe— stay tuned. nana. akua. there's loels lo— stay tuned. nana. akua. there's loads more to come in the next now—

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of the capital, khartoum . of the capital, khartoum. sudan's military claims foreign nationals and diplomats, including those from the uk, us, france and china, are to be evacuated . covid. the world evacuated. covid. the world health organisation says more than 400 people have been killed and thousands injured since the violence began . stewart mcdonald violence began. stewart mcdonald has been appointed as the snp's new treasurer following the resignation of msp colin beattie. mr beattie stepped down after he was arrested by police investigating the use of £600,000 in donations meant for the independence referendum . the the independence referendum. the party's former chief executive , party's former chief executive, peter murrell, who is also nicola sturgeon's husband, was also arrested and questioned. both were released without charge . a serving member of the charge. a serving member of the british armed forces has appeared in court charged with offences under the official secrets act. 36 year old thomas newsom is accused of sharing highly sensitive military information , and he's alleged to

information, and he's alleged to have shared a ten page document through social media. the two senior officers who had clearance and one civilian who didn't . prosecutors claim if the didn't. prosecutors claim if the information was leaked, it would have caused a real and immediate threat to british people outside of the uk . threat to british people outside of the uk. he's due in court. in court again on friday. the family of stephen lawrence have held a memorial service in trafalgar square to mark the 30th anniversary of his murder. the 18 year old was killed in a racist attack while waiting for a bus in south—east london. it's alleged that the original investigation was hindered by racism and police corruption , racism and police corruption, meaning it took almost 20 years for two of his killers to face justice. mayor of london sadiq khan, has said it's a day to celebrate the work of the lawrence family . we're here lawrence family. we're here today to celebrate and remember stephen lawrence's life and his legacy , but also the legacy, but also the extraordinary work that's taken

place by his family. doreen lawrence , by their team to lawrence, by their team to address the issues of equality and diversity and inclusion . and diversity and inclusion. labour have condemned dominic raabs behaviour since his resignation yesterday , calling resignation yesterday, calling it appalling and saying he shouldn't be blaming his accusers for his downfall. the former deputy prime minister resigned after an investigation motion upheld two of the bullying allegations that have been made against him. mr raab claims a minority of those within whitehall are, quote , within whitehall are, quote, effectively trying to block the government out. shadow health minister andrew gwynne told us those who've blown the whistle do have a right to do so . why do have a right to do so. why the prime minister— do have a right to do so. why the prime minister ,- do have a right to do so. why the prime minister , who- the prime minister , who will the prime minister, who will newe— the prime minister, who will neve known— the prime minister, who will have known about these allegations— have known about these allegations actions, they enel— allegations actions, they weren't a secret , sought to weren't a secret, sought to eppoinl— weren't a secret, sought to eppoinl nim— weren't a secret, sought to appoint him to— weren't a secret, sought to appoint him to the second most senior position— appoint him to the second most senior position in— appoint him to the second most senior position in government as deputy— senior position in government as lepwly imme— senior position in government as deputy prime minister but also why— deputy prime minister but also wny ne— deputy prime minister but also wny ne lion-l— deputy prime minister but also why he didn't sack dominic raab on receiving— why he didn't sack dominic raab on receiving this— why he didn't sack dominic raab on receiving this report, why he ellowei— on receiving this report, why he allowed dominic— on receiving this report, why he allowed dominic raab to leave on

his allowed dominic raab to leave on nis on— allowed dominic raab to leave on nis terms— allowed dominic raab to leave on his own terms and— allowed dominic raab to leave on his own terms and worst of all, doubling— his own terms and worst of all, doubling down— his own terms and worst of all, doubling down on— his own terms and worst of all, doubling down on the whistleblowers , on the victims. whistleblowers, on the victims. i whistleblowers, on the victims. l mini— whistleblowers, on the victims. l mini mel— whistleblowers, on the victims. i think that that— whistleblowers, on the victims. i think that that letter that dominio— i think that that letter that dominic raab— i think that that letter that dominic raab produced in his nesipnelion— dominic raab produced in his resignation was_ dominic raab produced in his resignation was quite frankly eppellinp— resignation was quite frankly eppellinp eni— resignation was quite frankly appalling and showed no humility and appalling and showed no humility enl no— appalling and showed no humility and no contrition_ appalling and showed no humility and no contrition . _ appalling and showed no humility and no contrition . cit and no contrition. the cbi has suspended all policy and membership activity after allegations of rape and sexual assault prompted some of its biggest names to quit. dozens of members, including john lewis, natwest, jaguar , land rover and natwest, jaguar, land rover and bt, have pulled out of the trade body. the cbi says it shares the shock and revulsion over the allegations as tributes have poured in for australia . poured in for australia. entertainer barry humphries, whose died at the age of 89 dunng whose died at the age of 89 during a seven decade career , he during a seven decade career, he was best known for his alter egos , including dame edna egos, including dame edna everage and sir les patterson. actor jason everage and sir les patterson. actorjason donovan described him as an entertaining genius and the australian prime

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memonel— lawrence's death with a special memorial that's— lawrence's death with a special memorial that's taking place to commemorate his— memorial that's taking place to commemorate his life. and this week— commemorate his life. and this week ,— commemorate his life. and this week , on — commemorate his life. and this week , dr. mark— commemorate his life. and this week , dr. mark prince obe will week, dr. mark prince obe will be ioinine— week, dr. mark prince obe will be ioininp me— week, dr. mark prince obe will be ioininp me in— week, dr. mark prince obe will be joining me in the studio to discuss— be joining me in the studio to discuss nis— be joining me in the studio to discuss his very— be joining me in the studio to discuss his very own experience wim— discuss his very own experience wim knife— discuss his very own experience with knife crime— discuss his very own experience with knife crime .— discuss his very own experience with knife crime . mark's 15 year with knife crime. mark's 15 year old with knife crime. mark's 15 year oil son— with knife crime. mark's 15 year oil es— with knife crime. mark's 15 year old son was fatally— with knife crime. mark's 15 year old son was fatally stabbed to leeln — old son was fatally stabbed to death outside _ old son was fatally stabbed to death outside his— old son was fatally stabbed to death outside his school enemplinp— death outside his school attempting to - death outside his school attempting to break up a fight. wow— attempting to break up a fight. wow ne-s— attempting to break up a fight. now he's devoted— attempting to break up a fight. now he's devoted his life to working— now he's devoted his life to working ,— now he's devoted his life to working , lo— now he's devoted his life to working , to getting knives off working, to getting knives off our working, to getting knives off sweets— working, to getting knives off sneels .— working, to getting knives off our streets . then on the way, our streets. then on the way, its— our streets. then on the way, its own— our streets. then on the way, it's our great— our streets. then on the way, it's our great british debate mis— it's our great british debate lnis nonn— it's our great british debate this hour, and— it's our great british debate this hour, and i'm asking, will sir this hour, and i'm asking, will sin nei— this hour, and i'm asking, will sir keir starmer— this hour, and i'm asking, will sir keir starmer attack campaign lo— sir keir starmer attack campaign to pile— sir keir starmer attack campaign come to bite him— sir keir starmer attack campaign come to bite him back. labour leelen— come to bite him back. labour leelenlwein— come to bite him back. labour leader keir starmer been leader sir keir starmer has been essnsed—enen- leader sir keir starmer has been accused—after it- accused of hypocrisy after it emerged— accused of hypocrisy after it emerged-me- accused of hypocrisy after it emerged the dodi opposed emerged that the dodi opposed the deportation— emerged that the dodi opposed the deportation child rapist the deportation of child rapist wno— the deportation of child rapist wno is— the deportation of child rapist wno is sill— the deportation of child rapist who is still living in the uk. wnl— who is still living in the uk. wnl-comes— who is still living in the uk. and-comes week- who is still living in the uk. and comes week after weeks and this comes week after weeks enen—en— and this comes week after weeks after—an attack- after he launched an attack eempeipn— after he launched an attack campaign-rishi- campaign against rishi sunak sensse— campaign against rishi sunak stance .child_ campaign against rishi sunak stance .child sex- campaign against rishi sunak stance child sex abusers. so stance on child sex abusers. so nes— stance on child sex abusers. so nes nis— stance on child sex abusers. so has his hypocrisy— stance on child sex abusers. so has his hypocrisy him ? some of has his hypocrisy him? some of your— has his hypocrisy him? some of your lnowpnss— has his hypocrisy him? some of your thoughts at— has his hypocrisy him? some of your thoughts at gb views at gb wews— your thoughts at gb views at gb wews wl— your thoughts at gb views at gb wews wk on— your thoughts at gb views at gb news .uk or tweet— your thoughts at gb views at gb news .uk or tweet me at . gb news .uk or tweet me at. gb wews. — news .uk or tweet me at. gb wews. so— news .uk or tweet me at. gb wews. so no— news .uk or tweet me at. gb news. so now it's- news .uk or tweet me at. gb news. so now it's time for this

weeks— news. so now it's time for this weels oepnen— news. so now it's time for this week's depher conversation. now loley— week's depher conversation. now loley menls— week's depher conversation. now today marks the _ week's depher conversation. now today marks the 30th anniversary of today marks the 30th anniversary oi me— today marks the 30th anniversary oi sne nesielly— today marks the 30th anniversary of the racially motivated murder of the racially motivated murder oi siepnen— of the racially motivated murder of stephen lawrence, who was sieiiel— of stephen lawrence, who was sieiiel io — of stephen lawrence, who was stabbed to death— of stephen lawrence, who was stabbed to death whilst he's weiiine— stabbed to death whilst he's weiiinp ion— stabbed to death whilst he's weiiinp ion e— stabbed to death whilst he's waiting for a bus in eltham in sowin— waiting for a bus in eltham in sown eesi— waiting for a bus in eltham in south east london. and this morning— south east london. and this momine nis— south east london. and this morning his family held a memonel— morning his family held a memorial service at saint martin in-iielis— memorial service at saint martin in - fields church _ memorial service at saint martin in-fields church in- in the fields church in ineieleen— in the fields church in trafalgar square dr. trafalgar square in london, dr. well— trafalgar square in london, dr. well-lnows— trafalgar square in london, dr. mark-knows only- trafalgar square in london, dr. mark knows only too well mark prince knows only too well the mark prince knows only too well we impesi— mark prince knows only too well we impesi oi— mark prince knows only too well the impact of losing a loved one to the impact of losing a loved one is lniie— the impact of losing a loved one to knife crime.— the impact of losing a loved one to knife crime. he— the impact of losing a loved one to knife crime. he lost his 16 yees— to knife crime. he lost his 16 yeen oli— to knife crime. he lost his 16 yeen oil son— to knife crime. he lost his 16 year old son, kian , a talented year old son, kian, a talented oil— year old son, kian, a talented onl pleyen— year old son, kian, a talented onl pleyen in— year old son, kian, a talented onl pleyen in e— year old son, kian, a talented qpr player in a knife attack owisile— qpr player in a knife attack owisiie e— qpr player in a knife attack outside a school— qpr player in a knife attack outside a school in 2006 where he outside a school in 2006 where ne es— outside a school in 2006 where ne lying— outside a school in 2006 where ne inyinp io— outside a school in 2006 where he was trying to break up a ioni— he was trying to break up a new nesl— he was trying to break up a fight back in— he was trying to break up a fight back in 2021. fifa used neepiele— fight back in 2021. fifa used deepfake technology to bring the young— deepfake technology to bring the young footballer— deepfake technology to bring the young footballer back to life. wow— young footballer back to life. now wnen— young footballer back to life. now when his— young footballer back to life. now when his father saw the imepeiy— now when his father saw the imepeny, ne— now when his father saw the imepeny, ne es— now when his father saw the imagery, he was reduced to lees— imagery, he was reduced to iees well— imagery, he was reduced to tears. mark has— imagery, he was reduced to tears. mark has since launched the tears. mark has since launched ine liyen— tears. mark has since launched the kiyan prince— tears. mark has since launched the kiyan prince foundation in his the kiyan prince foundation in ms emory— the kiyan prince foundation in his memory, raising awareness eiowi— his memory, raising awareness eiowi lniie— his memory, raising awareness about knife crime— his memory, raising awareness about knife crime and how it can leer— about knife crime and how it can ieer iemilies— about knife crime and how it can tear families apart.— about knife crime and how it can tear families apart. and the mosi— tear families apart. and the mosi esei— tear families apart. and the most recent facts about knife snme— most recent facts about knife in— most recent facts about knife in ine— most recent facts about knife crime in the uk— most recent facts about knife crime in the uk make for elerminp— crime in the uk make for alarming reading. there has been alarming reading. there has been eiow— alarming reading. there has been e 10% msreese— alarming reading. there has been a 10% increase in— alarming reading. there has been a 10% increase in knife crime in ingleno— a 10% increase in knife crime in inplenl enl— a 10% increase in knife crime in england and wales from last yees— england and wales from last yeer, enl— england and wales from last year, and since— england and wales from last year, and since last year there newe— year, and since last year there neve leen— year, and since last year there have been 45,000— year, and since last year there have been 45,000 offences

involves— have been 45,000 offences involved in— have been 45,000 offences involved in a— have been 45,000 offences involved in a knife or a sharp insirwmeni— involved in a knife or a sharp insirwmeni .— involved in a knife or a sharp instrument . and— involved in a knife or a sharp instrument . and since 2010 and instrument. and since 2010 and zon— instrument. and since 2010 and zoom mere— instrument. and since 2010 and 2011 there have— instrument. and since 2010 and 2011 there have been 34% increase in— 2011 there have been 34% increase in offences using lniwes— increase in offences using lniwes or— increase in offences using knives or sharp- increase in offences using knives or sharp instruments and miles— knives or sharp instruments and lniwes enl— knives or sharp instruments and knives and sharp— knives or sharp instruments and knives and sharp instruments are usel— knives and sharp instruments are used in— knives and sharp instruments are used in low— knives and sharp instruments are used in my oi— knives and sharp instruments are used in 40% of homicides. west willenls— used in 40% of homicides. west willenls nes— used in 40% of homicides. west midlands has the— used in 40% of homicides. west midlands has the highest rate of mm— midlands has the highest rate of lniie snme— midlands has the highest rate of lniie .— midlands has the highest rate of knife crime . that's 152 offences knife crime. that's 152 offences per 100,000. — knife crime. that's 152 offences per 100,000. and _ knife crime. that's 152 offences per 100,000. and in the year per100,000. and in the year 2021— per100,000. and in the year zozi io— per100,000. and in the year 2021 to 2022,— per 100,000. and in the year 2021 to 2022, 19,500 sentences neniel— 2021 to 2022, 19,500 sentences were handed down— 2021 to 2022, 19,500 sentences were handed down for possession of were handed down for possession oi e— were handed down for possession oi e lniie. — were handed down for possession of a knife. juvenile— were handed down for possession of a knife. juvenile made up 20% of a knife. juvenile made up 20% oi mose— of a knife. juvenile made up 20% of those 19,500— of a knife. juvenile made up 20% of those 19,500 sentences. mark now works with— of those 19,500 sentences. mark now works with children and young— now works with children and young pimple— now works with children and young people using the sport of boxing— young people using the sport of boxing io— young people using the sport of boxing to inspire— young people using the sport of boxing to inspire and set them on me— boxing to inspire and set them on me noni— boxing to inspire and set them on the right path. _ boxing to inspire and set them on the right path. in life. and im— on the right path. in life. and i-m-pleesel— on the right path. in life. and i'm .pleasedlsay- on the right path. in life. and i'm pleased say that i'm very pleased to say that iownler— i'm very pleased to say that founder-the— i'm very pleased to say that founder the kiyan prince founder of the kiyan prince rownleiion— founder of the kiyan prince foundation, dr.— founder of the kiyan prince foundation, dr. mark prentice , foundation, dr. mark prentice, mere— foundation, dr. mark prentice, nere io— foundation, dr. mark prentice, nere is join— foundation, dr. mark prentice, here to join me— foundation, dr. mark prentice, here to join me now. mark, thank you very— here to join me now. mark, thank you very mwsn— here to join me now. mark, thank you very mnsn ior— here to join me now. mark, thank you very much for joining me. its— you very much for joining me. its newly— you very much for joining me. it's really good— you very much for joining me. it's really good you. it's really good to meet you. sool— it's really good to meet you. soolliell— it's really good to meet you. good .talk-yeah. it's really good to meet you.| good .talk-yeah but good to talk to you. yeah but its— good to talk to you. yeah but ii-slireeis. — good to talk to you. yeah but ii-slireeis. i— good to talk to you. yeah but it's tragic. i mean, were it's so tragic. i mean, we were seyinp— it's so tragic. i mean, we were seyinp-inei— it's so tragic. i mean, we were seyinp-inei-sol saying earlier that there's so mwsn— saying earlier that there's so mwsn lniie— saying earlier that there's so much knife crime and it's perime— much knife crime and it's getting worse. _ much knife crime and it's getting worse. and i know a lot of getting worse. and i know a lot oi ii— getting worse. and i know a lot oi ii is— getting worse. and i know a lot oi ii is by— getting worse. and i know a lot of it is by black— getting worse. and i know a lot of it is by black youths as well . we— of it is by black youths as well . we sen-i— of it is by black youths as well . we sent per— of it is by black youths as well . we can't get away from that iesi— . we can't get away from that iesi .— . we can't get away from that iesi llnow—

. we can't get away from that iesi llnow ,— . we can't get away from that fact .-know , talk- . we can't get away from that fact . know , talk to me about fact. you know, talk to me about liyen— fact. you know, talk to me about liyen. i— fact. you know, talk to me about liyen. i meen— fact. you know, talk to me about kiyan. i mean, what— fact. you know, talk to me about kiyan. i mean, what kind of boy nei— kiyan. i mean, what kind of boy nee wes— kiyan. i mean, what kind of boy was he? was he— kiyan. i mean, what kind of boy was he? was he somebody who wooll— was he? was he somebody who would ie— was he? was he somebody who would be involved— was he? was he somebody who would be involved in in anything to would be involved in in anything iolwiin— would be involved in in anything to.with weapons— would be involved in in anything to with weapons and knives , to do with weapons and knives, vou— to do with weapons and knives, yon-lini— to do with weapons and knives, yon-lino is— to do with weapons and knives, you-kind is the- to do with weapons and knives, you kind is the last you know, kind is the last peson— you know, kind is the last person io— you know, kind is the last person to be— you know, kind is the last person to be involved in weapons or lniwes— person to be involved in weapons or lniwes srme— person to be involved in weapons or knives, crime was_ person to be involved in weapons or knives, crime was all about a miniser— or knives, crime was all about a minisei oi— or knives, crime was all about a mindset of success— or knives, crime was all about a mindset of success and becoming ereei. — mindset of success and becoming ereei. ne— mindset of success and becoming great. he watched— mindset of success and becoming great. he watched his- mindset of success and becoming great. it; " mindset of success and becoming great. " great. he watched his dad as a successful number one light heavyweight in the country, growing up and i was his hero as he shared with his mum. and i was his inspiration and that example, you know, showed in kind. so whether it was already in his bloodstream and, you know, he just got on to football and loved it. but what else was lovely about him was the way that he treated people. this was really special about kiyan. but then again, we've brought kiyan up to understand that he comes from a great creator that has made him he's brought value to this earth . made him he's brought value to this earth. he's

made him he's brought value to this earth . he's been made him he's brought value to this earth. he's been made made him he's brought value to this earth . he's been made with this earth. he's been made with purpose. he has an identity, but he must add value by the way he treats people . so his mum would treats people. so his mum would instil that love value in him . i instil that love value in him. i would install that love value in him. so what? what can do after he passed i had so many stories of kindness and care and leadership qualities from him, whether he was playing in a football team on sunday with a bunch of guys and a fight would break out , or whether he was at break out, or whether he was at school and somebody was bullying a year seven and he would cut in and stop that bullying and tell the guys, don't don't pick on him . don't don't treat people him. don't don't treat people like this . so could that like this. so you could see that he takes on how he was brought up to be as an individual. what a fabulous young man he sounds. i mean, 100% must be. so what neppen— i mean, 100% must be. so what neppen enl— i mean, 100% must be. so what neppen ene now— i mean, 100% must be. so what happen and how did he get involved— happen and how did he get involved in— happen and how did he get involved in this? kim was just leaving school and there was a fight and obviously most kids fight, fight, fight and obviously most kids fight, fight , fight. and they fight, fight, fight. and they they encourage it. but kiyan didn't want to see people all

fighting each other. so just try to break it up peaceably. break it up. and the guy just pulled the knife out. the guy pulled the knife out. the guy pulled the knife out. the guy pulled the knife he was year the knife out. he was a year above was at the above him. kim was 15 at the time and the guy was 16. and kian said to him, put put that away, man. what are you doing with put it away. and then with that? put it away. and then went walk off and the went to walk off and the guy came him literally . the came after him literally. the kid said he kind of just judge jumped on him and started stabbing motions. so obviously in his world, he's not expecting somebody to stab him. he's a popular guy . you know, he's not popular guy. you know, he's not doing anything worthy of getting stabbed. not that there is something you can do with of being stabbed, but that situation didn't cause for that. but what it showed us is that there were red flags because that individual, you know, had they found out during the court case, it was brought up, i found out that he urinated in front of a teacher at school . he'd a teacher at school. he'd threatened a girl on the bus to stab her shankar on the bus for,

you know, opening a window on the bus when he didn't want it open. so there were red flags and we have to start looking at underlying issues with with young people what's, you know, going on in their lives, what's happening with them and he's come from a war torn country . we come from a war torn country. we don't what he's seen in don't know what he's seen in somalia. so he was not from this sowniryi— somalia. so he was not from this sowniryi wo. — somalia. so he was not from this country? no. yeah,— somalia. so he was not from this country? no. yeah, he- so he was not from this country? no. / new? country? no. yeah, he was nana was from . a oh, gosh, how could was from. a oh, gosh, how could ieven was from. a oh, gosh, how could i even just not not eritrea or something like that? no no, no, no. does it begin with it's, um. op.— no. does it begin with it's, um. on. essn— no. does it begin with it's, um. on. essn- sire— no. does it begin with it's, um. oh, gosh. give me— no. does it begin with it's, um. oh, gosh. give me a— no. does it begin with it's, um. oh, gosh. give me a letter.- no. does it begin with it's, um. oh, gosh. give me a letter. why is it gone from. there are lots of them are coming in. oh gosh. how could i forget where he's . how could i forget where he's. well don't worry. we'll come back from. yeah. carry on. he'll come back in head. back to come back in my head. back to you. yeah so? so this kid that wes-lini— you. yeah so? so this kid that was-kindlred- you. yeah so? so this kid that was-kindlred flags. was already kind of red flags for was already kind of red flags ior-. — was already kind of red flags ior-. leen.- was already kind of red flags for-. yeah, there. was already kind of red flags. for-. yeah, there was. for this kid. yeah, there was. wnl— for this kid. yeah, there was. one ine. — for this kid. yeah, there was. one ine. ine— for this kid. yeah, there was. and the. the agencies- for this kid. / slim; and the. the agencies that snowi— and the. the agencies that snowll ie— and the. the agencies that should be kind— and the. the agencies that should be kind of sort of keeping— should be kind of sort of keeping-eve- should be kind of sort of keeping eye on safeguarding keeping an eye on safeguarding snillren— children like this and keeping an children like this and keeping en—loesn-i- children like this and keepingi an_doesn't sound an eye on them doesn't sound lile— an eye on them doesn't sound wle-wes— an eye on them doesn't sound like-was much- an eye on them doesn't sound like was much going on. so

like there was much going on. so wnen— like there was much going on. so wnen ii-s— like there was much going on. so when it's missed,— like there was much going on. so when it's missed, sometimes at ssnool— when it's missed, sometimes at ssnool lesse— when it's missed, sometimes at school because at— when it's missed, sometimes at school because at school, all sney— school because at school, all iney lo— school because at school, all iney is is— school because at school, all iney is is give— school because at school, all they do is give out detentions enl— they do is give out detentions enl wneinoi,— they do is give out detentions and whatnot, and— they do is give out detentions and whatnot, and it doesn't esiwelly— and whatnot, and it doesn't actually-issue. and whatnot, and it doesn't actually-issue . and whatnot, and it doesn't- actually-issue . and actually tackle the issue. and ssnool— actually tackle the issue. and school doesn't— actually tackle the issue. and school doesn't look- actually tackle the issue. and school doesn't look to look at the underlying issues. that's why there's there's why there's this there's this root from school and into peru's into prison . and, you know , into prison. and, you know, expulsions on the high on the rise and then you'll find that a lot of those same kids end up going to jail. so i think i ininl— going to jail. so i think i think maybe— going to jail. so i think i think maybe it- going to jail. so i think i think maybe it was- 30 g l so i think i think maybe it was it he gig» g l so i think i think maybe it was it he was somelien— think maybe it was it he was somalian, was_ think maybe it was it he was somalian, was it? that's sonesl so— somalian, was it? that's correct. so word. i'm looking for a widening . so what happened for a widening. so what happened lneni— for a widening. so what happened lneni so— for a widening. so what happened lnene so people— for a widening. so what happened then? so people knew— 2 g“ 3 so what happened then? so people knew who he 21:7“ 3 so what happened then? so people knew who he was. they— then? so people knew who he was. iney lnew— then? so people knew who he was. iney lnew wno— then? so people knew who he was. they knew who stabbed kian. in they knew who stabbed kian. my leegnler— they knew who stabbed kian. my leegnler lnew— they knew who stabbed kian. my daughter knew him. _ they knew who stabbed kian. my daughter knew him. he- they knew who stabbed kian. my daughter knew him. he was a friend of my daughter. this guy was a friend of your— ”l:7“: 23 this guy was a friend of your daughter. it was a friend of your daughter. il lolelly— was a friend of your daughter. it totally messed _ was a friend of your daughter. it totally messed my- was a friend of your daughter. it totally messed my daughter up. dawn neesom really messed her up because. how did you get your around that? first you your head around that? first you hear brother's been hear your your brother's been stabbed hear it stabbed and then you hear it from a guy in the age in a, in a year group above your brother and you know him. did he talk

with him? he was 100. but what she didn't know is that there were jealous aspects about it that hannah had for can because in the in the in the police station he talked like really strange comments. how can this guy be so wam which is like well built for his age? how could he, you know , how could he be so you know, how could he be so good at football? how could he be so good at basketball? you know, he's younger than me. so he jealous. then i heard he was jealous. and then i heard that know, a girl that you know, there was a girl he liked and she kian. so he liked and she liked kian. so there was lots of there may have been some other things going on. obviously, in his mind. obviously, that was in his mind. he's obviously not here talk he's obviously not here to talk eionl—ewere- he's obviously not here to talk about—aware of. he's obviously not here to talk. about—aware of. but he's obviously not here to talk- about_aware of. but so about. he's not aware of. but so lnis— about. he's not aware of. but so we so— about. he's not aware of. but so we so lnis— about. he's not aware of. but so we so we ony— about. he's not aware of. but so this so this guy who— about. he's not aware of. but so this so this guy who was- about. lg; ”lg; but so this so this guy who was then he erreslel— this so this guy who was then he erreslel ,— this so this guy who was then he was arrested , is— this so this guy who was then he was arrested , is he— this so this guy who was then he was arrested , is he he's in was arrested, is he he's in prison— was arrested, is he he's in prison now— was arrested, is he he's in prison now. he's- was arrested, is he he's in prison now. he's in prison now. he prison now. he's in prison now. is less— prison now. he's in prison now. he iesl nel— prison now. he's in prison now. he iesl nel e— prison now. he's in prison now. he just had a they— prison now. he's in prison now. he just had a they went- prison now. he's in prison now. he just had a they went for- prison now. he's in prison now. he just had a they went for his first parole last year. he just had a they went for his first parole last year . and first parole last year. and obviously, they wanted a comment from me because i've actually tried to go in on a visit as well so i could get to meet and

talk with him . yeah, it's been a talk with him. yeah, it's been a tough process . everything i've tough process. everything i've done has been a process of really difficult things going into schools , going into proves, into schools, going into proves, you know , going into the you know, going into the community, talking to young people, running, you know, these going into yachts, youth offending teams , talking to guys offending teams, talking to guys who are on the youth offending for carrying knives , for for carrying knives, for stabbing people, for, you know, ruining families. was this an iron into prisons? was this an eye opee— iron into prisons? was this an eye opener ion— iron into prisons? was this an eye opener for you?- 1g»" , was this an eye opener for you? because obviously,— eye opener for you? because obviously, when— eye opener for you? because obviously, when you heard about wiel— obviously, when you heard about wnel-neppenel— obviously, when you heard about what happened your i what had happened to your son, i mean,-have been- mean, you must have been leweslelel,— mean, you must have been devastated, right? mean, you must have been- devastated, right? _imagine devastated, right? well, imagine i'm working in the system already , helping those young already, helping those young people. that's what you were doing. what i was doing . doing. that's what i was doing. from 2002, i trained to be a life coach. my career abruptly endedin life coach. my career abruptly ended in 2000 with my knee getting getting ruptured. and then i went into to counselling youth work and done all what i needed to educate myself and then began to work with young people. i used to bring crime with me so he could see how

privileged he was to have his dad . when a lot of young boys dad. when a lot of young boys didn't have a dad father figure and hadn't been given the same examples, he used to, he made great friends. examples, he used to, he made great friends . we took out great friends. we took him out canoeing . so cute. yeah. yeah. canoeing. so cute. yeah. yeah. really really, really awesome quy- really really, really awesome guy.so really really, really awesome guy. so devastated. listen , guy. so devastated. listen, there's no way— guy. so devastated. listen, there's no way i— guy. so devastated. listen, there's no way i can- gay» 22 listen, there's no way i can begin to lele— there's no way i can begin to lele people— there's no way i can begin to lele people on— there's no way i can begin to take people on the journey that i take people on the journey that i wenl— take people on the journey that iwenl lnronen— take people on the journey that i went through and his mum went lnronen— i went through and his mum went through afterwards— i went through and his mum went through afterwards to. cg through afterwards to. to try me— through afterwards to. to try enl gel— through afterwards to. to try enl gel nim — through afterwards to. to try and get him to— through afterwards to. to try and get him to understand the pain and to understand how this can happen to anyone . man, can happen to anyone. man, that's. that's what hit me . how that's. that's what hit me. how this can happen to anyone. i used to watch news about serious youth violence on the telly and other people , families, their other people, families, their children being stabbed and feeling so hurt for them . not in feeling so hurt for them. not in the not in all my worst nightmares . the not in all my worst nightmares. could i imagine you're going to be one of those families next, you know, prince, did i not think that so i want

people to understand and don't sit back and think this is one demographic problem . no, because demographic problem. no, because whatever era you go in, if they're predominantly black, it's going to be predominantly black. having that issue. and if it's predominantly white, it's going to be predominantly if it's predominantly asian, you're going predominantly going to have predominantly there's . there's, there's asian gangs. there's, you gangs , you know, liverpool gangs, there's birmingham. they're all over the place. it's a mindset. it is a mindset. i agree with you.— it is a mindset. i agree with you. ill— it is a mindset. i agree with you. ill inl— it is a mindset. i agree with you. but but it,— it is a mindset. i agree with you. but but it, you- e 2 i agree with you. but but it, you know, it's ennoyine— you. but but it, you know, it's ennoyino ion— you. but but it, you know, it's annoying for me— you. but but it, you know, it's annoying for me ,— you. but but it, you know, it's annoying for me , obviously being annoying for me, obviously being annoying for me, obviously being e ilesl— annoying for me, obviously being a black woman. _ annoying for me, obviously being a black woman. yeah. to see a lot a black woman. yeah. to see a lol oi— a black woman. yeah. to see a lol oi lnis— a black woman. yeah. to see a lot of this perpetrated by black inliwilnels. — lot of this perpetrated by black individuals. _to - individuals. and i think to mysel— individuals. and i think to myseli, slop— individuals. and i think to myseli, slop ,— individuals. and i think to myself, stop , stop. why? why are myself, stop, stop. why? why are iney— myself, stop, stop. why? why are iney-mis— myself, stop, stop. why? why are they this themselves? they doing this themselves? slop.— they doing this themselves? slop-lining- they doing this themselves? stop. killing each other. stop. stop killing each other. leen.— stop. stop killing each other. leen-lne— stop. stop killing each other. yeah. .the thing- stop. stop killing each other. yeah. the thing is, people yeah. and the thing is, people say,— yeah. and the thing is, people sayell— yeah. and the thing is, people seyl, il-s— yeah. and the thing is, people say,., it's terrible,- yeah. and the thing is, people say, , it's terrible, but. but say, oh, it's terrible, but. but as say, oh, it's terrible, but. but es someioly— say, oh, it's terrible, but. but as somebody black is more as somebody who's black is more lilely— as somebody who's black is more lilely-lillel— as somebody who's black is more lilely-lillel ly— as somebody who's black is more likely killed by somebody likely to be killed by somebody wno-s—lninel who's black, that's the thing. wnen—on- who's black, that's the thing. wnen—on il-si when people say, oh, it's lemme,— when people say, oh, it's terrible,-this- when people say, oh, it's terrible, this racial, terrible, this, this racial, lnis— terrible, this, this racial, lnis enl— terrible, this, this racial, this and that,- terrible, this, this racial, this and that, it's well, this and that, it's like, well, sen-l— this and that, it's like, well, sen-l-see— this and that, it's like, well, can't-see-you're. can't you see what you're doing wilnin— can't you see what you're doing wilnin —lnow - within your own, you know, wilnin — within your own, you know, wilnin your— within your own, you know, within your own— within your own, you know, within your own section of people— within your own section of people-lile- within your own section of people like you, within your own section of. people-like you, who people who are like you, who lool— people who are like you, who lool lile — people who are like you, who lool lile yon— people who are like you, who look like you, they may not lninl— look like you, they may not lninl lile— look like you, they may not think like you,— look like you, they may not think like you, but they may lool— think like you, but they may lool-lis— think like you, but they may look it's self—hate. look like you. it's self—hate. il-s—people- look like you. it's self—hate. il-s—people lol look like you. it's self—hate. i it's—people to hate it's so easy for people to hate

lnem — it's so easy for people to hate lnem les— it's so easy for people to hate them .as black— it's so easy for people to hate them as black lack of them up as black lack of ilenlily. — them up as black lack of identity. obe- them up as black lack of identity. 05 them up as black lack of- identity. obe-know, it's the identity. obe you know, it's the same issues when you at it. same issues when you look at it. it's about the mind. we can take a knife out the hand, we a knife out the hand, but we need to it out of the need to get it out of the mindset. so the mindsets change and people begin to look at another human life with value. yeah, that's it . that's what it yeah, that's it. that's what it is. it's about respecting that. and i think one of the things is, is understanding that you do not have the authority to take life. you do not give life. there is a higher power than yourself. and it was healthy for us to grow up and understand that there is a god almighty who's created all of this and created you with purpose s and taking that out of the education, you know, i'm so glad you said that. i believe. now, lislen— you said that. i believe. now, lislen im— you said that. i believe. now, listen, i'm not— 2 i believe. now, listen, i'm not somebody who deeply,— listen, i'm not somebody who deeply, deeply— listen, i'm not somebody who deeply, deeply religious. i was at deeply, deeply religious. i was el one— deeply, deeply religious. i was el poinl— deeply, deeply religious. i was at one point with— deeply, deeply religious. i was at one point with when they took religions— at one point with when they took religious education— at one point with when they took religious education out of the snrrisnnml— religious education out of the curriculum, like— religious education out of the curriculum, like general curriculum, like a general slenlerl— curriculum, like a general standard _code. curriculum, like a general standard code that standard of moral code that eeonrye— standard of moral code that everyone kind— standard of moral code that everyone kind of followed their were— everyone kind of followed their there became _ everyone kind of followed their there became a— everyone kind of followed their there became a shift in the nerreilwe— there became a shift in the narrative and _ there became a shift in the narrative and i'm not saying inel— narrative and i'm not saying lnel people— narrative and i'm not saying that people should god

that people should be god iolnerine— that people should be god bothering and— that people should be god bothering and things like that, but bothering and things like that, ill—lo— bothering and things like that, but—to mentioni but we don't want to mention lnel.— but we don't want to mention lnel-no,— but we don't want to mention that.-no, because- that. but but no, because people pink,— that. but but no, because people pap—bang- think, oh, you're just being a bit think, oh, you're just being a iil well.— think, oh, you're just being a bit weird. but— think, oh, you're just being a bit weird. but i— think, oh, you're just being a bit weird. but i remember religions.— bit weird. but i remember religions-i- bit weird. but i remember religious. i remember religious. yeah, i remember as a young— religious. yeah, i remember as a young person— religious. yeah, i remember as a young person hearing, oh, lney-we— young person hearing, oh,- they've—religion young person hearing, oh,- thelofa_religion young person hearing, oh,- thelof the—religion young person hearing, oh, thelof the curriculum religion young person hearing, oh, thelof the curriculum andigion out of the curriculum and lninling— out of the curriculum and thinking, will thinking, oh my god, how will people—rignl- thinking, oh my god, how will people—rignl enli people know what's right and wronge— people know what's right and wrong? because— people know what's right and wrong? because that's kind of now—solel wrong? because that's kind of. now—sole. i-m how i learned a moral code. i'm nol—iollowl how i learned a moral code. i'mi not—follow one not saying you should follow one religion—inl- not saying you should follow one religion—but i'm- religion or another, but i'm seying— religion or another, but i'm seying lnel— religion or another, but i'm saying that the— religion or another, but i'm saying that the moral code wilnin— saying that the moral codei within—things saying that the moral code- within—things like within the bible and things like that within the bible and things like lnel—people- that actually give people a gelle— that actually give people a geile-gniling- that actually give people a guide guiding line, guide and a guiding line, espesielly— guide and a guiding line, especially young people. you especially for young people. you lon-l— especially for young people. you don't—religious- don't have to be a religious peson— don't have to be a religious person-insl— don't have to be a religious person,-just-thisl don't have to be a religious. person,-just-this sort person, but just have this sort of person, but just have this sort oiso—- person, but just have this sortj of_some guidance person, but just have this sort- of_some guidance and of guide, have some guidance and nnlerslenl— of guide, have some guidance and understand-there's— understand that there's a manufacturer's handbook for ewerylning— manufacturer's handbook for everything that's created and mele— everything that's created and mele. — everything that's created and made. there's— everything that's created and made. there's a— everything that's created and made. f made. there's a manufacturer's handbook for you to resort to, to go and check how you're supposed to treat this product, keep it safe . there's a way that keep it safe. there's a way that how we're supposed to treat each other and keep each other safe and keep each other well cared for. and that's all lost. it's gone, isn't it? so you're seeing young people running around waving knives, swords around on the streets, crazy and it's shocking. people don't know the real levels of this. some of the

stuff my son will show me on his phone. and what's going around. terrible on snapchat and tiktok and all of that. and i'd you know, imagine growing up and that's the norm for you. you know what we you you know what we you know, when that's the norm for you. you- know what we you know, when they say know what we you know, when they sey yoe— know what we you know, when they sey ye lolgel— know what we you know, when they sey ye lolgel e— know what we you know, when they say you've dodged a bullet in the say you've dodged a bullet in me sense— say you've dodged a bullet in me yon— say you've dodged a bullet in the sense you have that you're silen— the sense you have that you're now older, you're— the sense you have that you're now older, you're beyond it. but as now older, you're beyond it. but es-seil,— now older, you're beyond it. but es-seil, yoe— now older, you're beyond it. but as-said, you're now- now older, you're beyond it. but as said, you're now the as you said, you're now the perenl— as you said, you're now the perenl wno— as you said, you're now the parent who will— as you said, you're now the parent who will then have a&e enylning— parent who will then have a&e anything-because. anything you have, because you it's anything you have, because you il-s-will— anything you have, because you il-s-will ie— anything you have, because you it's-will be yours. - anything you have, because you it's will be yours. it's the pain will be yours. so if it's the pain will be yours. so ii we— it's the pain will be yours. so ii we go— it's the pain will be yours. so ii we go inle— it's the pain will be yours. so if we go into parents- it's the pain will be yours. so if we go into parents now, we haven't dodged anything because a lot of our generation need to look at how we looked at things and what we wanted to change. farage or we were beaten or we wasn't and we need wasn't treated right and we need to make sure our kids have everything that we didn't have when fact you could have when in fact you could have spoilt your, your , you, you spoilt your, your, you, you could have made your young person privileged. you person feel privileged. you could softened them to the could have softened them to the point where they have no moral guidelines structure. you guidelines and structure. you didn't make sure that they learnt god because your learnt about god because your parents you to church. parents made you go to church. so not going to them go. so i'm not going to let them go. so i'm not going to let them go. so there are so many different

areas to look at. talk to me irieily— areas to look at. talk to me briefly-about- areas to look at. talk to me briefly-about your- talk to me briefly about your charity briefly then about your charity lesse— briefly then about your charity iesense—onl- because we're running out of lime— because we're running out of lime-i— because we're running out of lime-i wenl— because we're running out ofi time-i want-about because we're running out of. time-i want-about it time and i want to hear about it enl— time and i want to hear about it enls—en— time and i want to hear about it enls—en slpponi and how people can support it. if and how people can support it. ii-lney— and how people can support it. ii-lneyllneli- and how people can support it. if-theyithat? . if 100% can they do that? ieselse— if 100% can they do that? because-what- if 100% can they do that? because-what this. if 100% can they do that? because-what this isj if 100% can they do that? i because-what this is all because that's what this is all about. how can we how can so the crown— about. how can we how can so the crown-foundation— about. how can we how can so the crown-foundationll- crown prince foundation in i lninl— crown prince foundation in i think—mindset. crown prince foundation in i think—mindset is| think in people's mindset is lesse— think in people's mindset is because-done- think in people's mindset is because-done so- think in people's mindset is because done so great and because we've done so great and leen in— because we've done so great and we've been in the— because we've done so great and we've been in the media, we're loing— we've been in the media, we're loing lne— we've been in the media, we're loing me long— we've been in the media, we're doing the long live the prince sempeign— doing the long live the prince sempeign nil— doing the long live the prince campaign hit 1.4— doing the long live the prince campaign hit 1.4 billion people lne— campaign hit 1.4 billion people across the world. _ campaign hit 1.4 billion people across the world. �*fll�*lg; campaign hit 1.4 billion people across the world. roll: 913» campaign hit 1.4 billion people across the world. i,:,.».; gg» across the world. we got the stadium renamed kim rye and prince foundation, all these magnificent things. that's happened. people have thought that kiyan prince foundation were made it. we've got the money. we've got everything. but our media attention and what we've achieved hasn't lined up with the financial backing that we deserve. so we've done everything, all the work that we've done has been on a shoestring budget . so if people shoestring budget. so if people can shoestring budget. so if people nelp— shoestring budget. so if people nelp or— shoestring budget. so if people nelp or iney— shoestring budget. so if people can help or they want- 9 2g so if people can help or they want 20 grand lillle— can help or they want 20 grand little funding— can help or they want 20 grand little funding ten— can help or they want 20 grand little funding ten website ww dot little funding ten website ww lol me — little funding ten website ww dot the kpfk—fm , we really need dot the kpfk—fm, we really need people— dot the kpfk—fm, we really need people lo— dot the kpfk—fm, we really need people is give— dot the kpfk—fm, we really need people is give . — dot the kpfk—fm, we really need people to give . filing? dot the kpfk—fm, we really need people to give . rwy? i people to give. why? because there's a very special

anniversary event happening on the 20th of may. what we've realised is because people think that the money's there , we need that the money's there, we need to make sure that people understand we don't have the money. so we've been working and giving our lives to this. we've got about 20 seconds. - g . g . l we've got about 20 seconds. okay good. swe— got about 20 seconds. okay good. owe me— got about 20 seconds. okay good. owe me lne— got about 20 seconds. okay good. give me the website— got about 20 seconds. okay good. give me the website again where people— give me the website again where people sen— give me the website again where people go— give me the website again where people go i— give me the website again where people can go if they want. zlln— people can go if they want. zen-we— people can go if they want. 24th .we need - people can go if they want. 24th .we need you - people can go if they want. 24th-we need you to. people can go if they want. i 24th-we need you to buy 24th may we need you to buy tickets . acas queen's park tickets. acas at queen's park rangers there's rangers box office. there's a ticket the box office ticket link. the box office link. tickets for this link. buy the tickets for this event. we've got lots of talent and stars. harry redknapp, marlon , david harewood. we've marlon, david harewood. we've got so many people can't remember all the names, but there's lots and lots anton ferdinand, loads of guys all supporting this event to raise money so we can build the future champions centre because we want to be able to show the model we've been using all these years that's been changing lives to actually change lives. now let's make this happen. but we can't do it without the people. will the people buy the tickets and donate help our young people

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listening to gb news radio. i sell— listening to gb news radio. . good afternoon. - listening to gb news radio. . good afternoon. this. listening to gb news radio. good afternoon. this is gb news listening to gb news radio. good afternoon. tdigitalib news on tv, online and on digital radio. time now for our radio. it's time now for our great british debate this out. and will keir and i'm asking will sir keir starmer's attack campaign come to back . erg labour to bite him back. erg labour leader sir keir starmer has been accused hypocrisy after an accused of hypocrisy after an emergency , he the emergency, he opposed the deportation a child rapist

deportation of a child rapist just weeks after he claimed that rishi sunak did not believe child sex abusers should go to prison . see, that's the problem, prison. see, that's the problem, isn't it? when you start trying to pick holes in other people, we start holes in we can start looking at holes in you. henry was due to be you. fabian, henry was due to be deported to jamaica in 2020 after being jailed for twice attacking a 17 year old girl and abducting and raping a girl of 15. with the daily mail reported that starmer had endorsed a letter opposing henry's and 41 other criminals deportation to jamaica. labour have sought to defend starmer by saying that whilst he may have opposed henry's deportation , he was not henry's deportation, he was not part of the process that allowed henry to in the uk, which henry to stay in the uk, which isn't argument isn't really an argument because rishi part of the rishi sunak isn't part of the process deals with child rishi sunak isn't part of the process at deals with child rishi sunak isn't part of the process at all. lals with child rishi sunak isn't part of the process at all. nevertheless, it abusers at all. nevertheless, it is not a look for starmer, is not a good look for starmer, who sought to use his time who has sought to use his time as director of public prosecutions to paint himself as being on crime. so the being tough on crime. so the great british debate this hour. i'm asking will sir keir starmer's come starmer's attack campaign come to bite him back? so joining me to bite him back? so joining me to discuss that, belinda de

lucy, political commentator and former mep , anna former brexit mep, anna mcgovern, commentator mcgovern, political commentator and sir vince cable, former liberal democrat leader, and sam dowler, political commentator. i'm going to start with you, vince what's your vince cable. what's your thoughts on this, campaign? thoughts on this, this campaign? first of all? well, it wasn't very— first of all? well, it wasn't very smerl— first of all? well, it wasn't very smart and— first of all? well, it wasn't very smart and i- 7 well, it wasn't very smart and i think it will reiolnl— very smart and i think it will reiolnl . — very smart and i think it will rebound . and— very smart and i think it will rebound . and i— very smart and i think it will rebound . ' 2 g“ very smart and i think it will rebound. "2 rebound. and i mean, the whole point about attack campaigning is that it's got to have an element of truth and the idea that sunak was personally favouring treatment of sex offenders clearly makes no sense. and i don't think anybody would believe it . i mean, if would believe it. i mean, if you're going to have a personal campaign and, you know, unfortunately, that's the way politics often is, concentrate on something relevant. i mean, there clearly is a public mood that sunak is an extremely rich man who may be out of touch. his wife's tax affairs , his swimming wife's tax affairs, his swimming pool and so on. i mean, if they were going to attack him personally , that's what they personally, that's what they should be doing. but this particular is very misguided

particular one is very misguided . and think it's most people . and i think it's most people don't have a clear view of mr starmer. and i think this rather undermines his credibility . and undermines his credibility. and it was a bad move , a very bad it was a bad move, a very bad move. belinda de lucy, your lnolgnlsi — move. belinda de lucy, your thoughts? yeah,— belinda de lucy, your thoughts? / . thoughts? yeah, well, keir starmer is throwing stones from a very, very thin glasshouse at the moment. and i and i think his actions speak much louder than his words. you know, he's a political chameleon and he changes with the wind and says things just because he thinks that's people want to hear. that's what people want to hear. but look at his actions. but let's look at his actions. he campaigned to stop the deportation of 50 criminals, one including this rapist who attacked a 17 year old girl, as you said, twice and abducted a 15 year old. now he is putting the human rights of a rapist above of the victim's public safety . what does this say about safety. what does this say about him? it's a real insight, a worrying insight as to what we can expect if he becomes as prime minister. well, i think just to stop you there briefly , just to stop you there briefly, mr softee, for a reason. well

yeah.i mr softee, for a reason. well yeah. i mean, there were 41, esllelly— yeah. i mean, there were 41, gaugpy, enl— yeah. i mean, there were 41, actually, and he— helga" i mean, there were 41, actually, and he signed a lellen— actually, and he signed a leller. so— actually, and he signed a letter. so it— actually, and he signed a letter. so it wasn't really a sempeign. — letter. so it wasn't really a sempeign. ill— letter. so it wasn't really a campaign. but yes, you did. he ne— campaign. but yes, you did. he was he was supporting it in some respesls— was he was supporting it in some respesls .— was he was supporting it in some respesls . sem— was he was supporting it in some respects . sam dowler. " respects. sam dowler. i mean, i egres— respects. sam dowler. i mean, i egree will— respects. sam dowler. i mean, i agree with you, nana like he wasn't campaigning and as his as his job of director of public prosecution, like, you know, his his his record speaks for itself. i mean , i've said on itself. i mean, i've said on record that i you know, i don't agree with the and i agree with vince there that the that i think it was misguided and also you've got to look at your own house before you start pointing fingers. other and fingers. other people and i think was a bit of a foolish think it was a bit of a foolish move when there were when there was of other things was a wealth of other things that have attacked that they could have attacked rishi as for keir rishi sunak for. as for keir starmer himself, i think, you know, he is a stand up guy. i think like, you know, he did a fantastic job in his in his past roles. i think, you know, he is maybe pair of hands maybe a safe pair of hands that people looking outside people are looking for outside of the chaos of the tory party. so, i mean i mean, this is i mean, we're going to get so much more this as the general

more of this as the general election approaches. and i think i you know , this this i think, you know, this this particular ad campaign probably should be and will be forgotten. well, but but everyone's painted him and he's painted himself as somebody with integrity and everything else like that. if he carries on like that. and- carries on like that. and wssowern— carries on like that. and mcgovern, what carries on like that. and- mcgovern, what-think? mcgovern, what do you think? i mean, he's sounds— mcgovern, what do you think? i mean, he's sounds to me like lnis— mean, he's sounds to me like lnis-ill— mean, he's sounds to me like lnis-ill-isl this is foolish, but what is your— this is foolish, but what is your lew— this is foolish, but what is your view-n0,- this is foolish, but what is your view ll?» 011g this is foolish, but what is- your view. no, absolutely. and your view? no, absolutely. and it demonstrates exactly that he does integrity , as does the does lack integrity, as does the labour and you know, labour party. and you know, especially the labour ad attack campaign on the conservatives. they were doing exactly what they would be criticising the conservatives of doing. and i think it demonstrates as well that this general election coming up is going to be one on pretty much a culture war. and what, you know, what what is to be said that's the right thing at the time. and i think for keir starmer, it just demonstrates again he's demonstrates again that he's he's hypocrite and he's a complete hypocrite and you know, he'll chameleon eyes himself, the sort of, you know , himself, the sort of, you know, he's, you know, just say the right thing rather than actually what believes. well vince, do

what he believes. well vince, do you think this actually you think this will actually affect it? his poll lead , do you affect it? his poll lead, do you lninl— affect it? his poll lead, do you lninl lnis— affect it? his poll lead, do you lninl me is— i 7 his poll lead, do you think this is something that esluelly— think this is something that actually significant ? actually is quite significant? i actually is quite significant? i lowl— actually is quite significant? i lolil el— actually is quite significant? i doubt at the— actually is quite significant? i doubt at the moment- actually is quite significant? i doubt at the moment that many people are aware of this campaign. i mean, it's a local government election . people government election. people don't take political advertising terribly seriously . albie and i terribly seriously. albie and i only heard about it in the newspaper. i didn't see it, i lninl— newspaper. i didn't see it, i lninl lile— newspaper. i didn't see it, i think like many— i didn't see it, i think like many others. so i, i sespesl— think like many others. so i, i suspesl il— think like many others. so i, i suspect it will— think like many others. so i, i suspect it will have— think like many others. so i, i suspect it will have passed most people by. but i think why it's important is that it sets the tone for what is going to be a yean tone for what is going to be a year, 18 months election campaign . and, you know, the campaign. and, you know, the labour party currently are in the lead starmer's reputation such asit the lead starmer's reputation such as it is, is pretty good. um, and i don't think they help themselves by going down this particular road and they've got time to change it. belinda i'm actually grateful to keir in a way for for, highlighting the conservative record on law and

order. imean conservative record on law and order. i mean it has been , it order. i mean it has been, it nes— order. i mean it has been, it nes leen— 2 i mean it has been, it has been appalling. less than 7% of has been appalling. less than 7% oi iurgleries— has been appalling. less than 7% of burglaries end— has been appalling. less than 7% of burglaries end up with the oiienler— of burglaries end up with the offender being— of burglaries end up with the offender being charged, 5% for mell— offender being charged, 5% for lneil. io— offender being charged, 5% for lneil. is oi— offender being charged, 5% for theft. 1% of car— offender being charged, 5% for theft. 1% of car theft ends up wiln — theft. 1% of car theft ends up wiln lne — theft. 1% of car theft ends up with the offender— theft. 1% of car theft ends up with the offender being charged. you with the offender being charged. lou lnow— with the offender being charged. lou lnow, il-s— with the offender being charged. you know, it's not— with the offender being charged. you know, it's not a great esorl— you know, it's not a great sol ion— you know, it's not a great record for the _ you know, it's not a great record for the tories. so thank lienl— record for the tories. so thank thank you, keir, for that. he's doing what an opposition should do, but it has spun the spotlight him and spotlight directly on him and i don't see any evidence of him being tough on law and order or crime in his past career. so i think as long as the- g“ g“ i»0:1:;»1:;" so i think as long as the tories 3 3 03"»1:;»1:;" so i think as long as the tories are loing— think as long as the tories are loing belly,— think as long as the tories are doing badly, keir— think as long as the tories are doing badly, keir has a chance to doing badly, keir has a chance lo gein— doing badly, keir has a chance is gein lne— doing badly, keir has a chance to gain the keys— doing badly, keir has a chance to gain the keys to westminster. but to gain the keys to westminster. lul il— to gain the keys to westminster. lul il loes— to gain the keys to westminster. but it does depend on on the lones— but it does depend on on the iories .— but it does depend on on the iories . i— but it does depend on on the tories . i don't— but it does depend on on the tories . i don't think people tories. i don't think people will— tories. i don't think people will ie— tories. i don't think people will be voting— tories. i don't think people will be voting for labour lesse— will be voting for labour because they _ will be voting for labour because they trust them to be lougn— because they trust them to be lougn on— because they trust them to be lougn on lew— because they trust them to be tough on law and— because they trust them to be tough on law and order because as tough on law and order because es musn— tough on law and order because es musn es iusl— tough on law and order because as much as just not voting for lne— as much as just not voting for lne-ieseuse— as much as just not voting for the-because they- as much as just not voting for the because they they the tories because they they lon-l—eny- the tories because they they lon-l—eny gool| the tories because they they- don't_any good either don't seem to be any good either . well— don't seem to be any good either . well well— don't seem to be any good either . well, well, well— don't seem to be any good either . well, well, well say . well, well, well i'll say a plegue— . well, well, well i'll say a pleguelioln— . well, well, well i'll say a plague both their houses. plague on both their houses. wene. — plague on both their houses. wene. well— plague on both their houses. nana. ruiz“ »1:;,l

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violence began. stewart mcdonald has been appointed as the snp's new treasurer . it follows the new treasurer. it follows the resignation of msp colin beattie, who was arrested by police investigating the use of £600,000 in donations meant for the independence referendum. the party's former chief executive, peter murrell , who is also peter murrell, who is also nicola sturgeon's husband , was nicola sturgeon's husband, was also arrested and questioned . also arrested and questioned. both were released without charge . a serving member of the charge. a serving member of the british armed forces has appeared in court charged with offences under the official secrets act. 36 year old thomas newsome is accused of sharing highly sensitive military information, including a ten page document through social media. the prosecutors claim if the info was leaked, it would have caused a real and immediate threat to british people outside of the uk . the family of stephen of the uk. the family of stephen lawrence have held a memorial service in trafalgar square to mark the 30th anniversary of his murder. the 18 year old was killed in a racist attack while

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on gb news. the people's channel britain is watching .— on gb news. the people's channel britain is watching . 02 britain is watching. hello. good afternoon. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua just coming up to 40 minutes after 5:00. now it's time for our great british debate this hour. and i'm asking will sir keir starmer's attack campaign come to bite him back now, labour leader sir keir starmer of starmer has been accused of hypocrisy it emerged that hypocrisy after it emerged that he the deportation of he opposed the deportation of child rapists just a week after he claimed rishi sunak did not believe child sex abusers should go prison. fabian henry was go to prison. fabian henry was due to be deported in jamaica in 2020 after being jailed for twice , attacking, once for twice, attacking, once for attacking a 17 year old girl and abducting and raping a 15 year old with the daily mail reported that starmer had endorsed a letter opposing henry's 41 other and 41 other criminals. deportation to jamaica. labour has sought to defend starmer by saying that whilst he may have opposed henry's deportation when he was not part of the process , he was not part of the process, that allowed henry to stay in the , how can he even think

the uk, how can he even think that a justification when that that's a justification when it work like that ? it doesn't work like that? nevertheless, it is not a good look starmer, who has sought look for starmer, who has sought to use this time as director to use this his time as director of prosecutors to paint of public prosecutors to paint himself tough on crime. himself as being tough on crime. so for the great british debate this will sir this hour, i'm asking will sir keir starmer's campaign keir starmer's attack campaign come him back. let's see come to bite him back. let's see what make of that. i've what my panel make of that. i've got broadcast columnist got broadcast and columnist lizzie political lizzie cundy and also political commentator simon dowler, lizzie cundy, what do you think about this ? well, i think it's going this? well, i think it's going to this? well, i think it's going lo some— this? well, i think it's going lo enl— this? well, i think it's going to come and bite— 37 well, i think it's going to come and bite starmer ~3i7 well, i think it's going to come and bite starmer right on lne— to come and bite starmer right on me very— to come and bite starmer right on me very ei— to come and bite starmer right on the very air creates softy slermer— on the very air creates softy slermer .— on the very air creates softy starmer. he's— on the very air creates softy starmer. he's as- on the very air creates softy starmer. he's as transparent as a starmer. he's as transparent as eiisn— starmer. he's as transparent as eiisn in— starmer. he's as transparent as eiisn in e— starmer. he's as transparent as eiisn in e in— starmer. he's as transparent as eiisn in e in e— starmer. he's as transparent as a fish in a in a glass bowl. and selly— a fish in a in a glass bowl. and selly ,— a fish in a in a glass bowl. and selly , lne— a fish in a in a glass bowl. and sadly , the fish— a fish in a in a glass bowl. and sadly , the fish has— a fish in a in a glass bowl. and sadly , the fish has got more sadly, the fish has got more personelily— sadly, the fish has got more personality than him. but listen , ne-s— personality than him. but listen , ne-s ne— personality than him. but listen , he's he stands— personality than him. but listen , he's he stands for nothing. he gives— , he's he stands for nothing. he gives no— , he's he stands for nothing. he gives no detail— , he's he stands for nothing. he gives no detail ,— , he's he stands for nothing. he gives no detail , he— , he's he stands for nothing. he gives no detail, he gives no suislense— gives no detail, he gives no substance. and— gives no detail, he gives no substance. and there he is, ellesling— substance. and there he is, attacking rishi— substance. and there he is, attacking rishi on there . and attacking rishi on there. and you— attacking rishi on there. and you lnow— attacking rishi on there. and you know those _ attacking rishi on there. and you know those adverts, which i lnougnl— you know those adverts, which i lnougnl es— you know those adverts, which i thought was absolute disgusting, seying— thought was absolute disgusting, seying ne— thought was absolute disgusting, saying he thinks— thought was absolute disgusting, saying he thinks that rishi lninls— saying he thinks that rishi lninls sex— saying he thinks that rishi thinks sex offenders , offenders thinks sex offenders, offenders snoulln-l— thinks sex offenders, offenders snoulln-l go— thinks sex offenders, offenders

shouldn't go to— thinks sex offenders, offenders shouldn't go to prison. i mean, numier— shouldn't go to prison. i mean, number one, that— shouldn't go to prison. i mean, number one, that is a lie. it was rubbish. _ number one, that is a lie. it was rubbish. and- number one, that is a lie. it was rubbish. and it's bullying lesliss— was rubbish. and it's bullying lesliss enl— was rubbish. and it's bullying tactics and it's— was rubbish. and it's bullying tactics and it's so wrong. he's ne-s— tactics and it's so wrong. he's ne-s e— tactics and it's so wrong. he's he's a hypocrite.— tactics and it's so wrong. he's he's a hypocrite. he's got no suislense— he's a hypocrite. he's got no substance, no _ he's a hypocrite. he's got no substance, no policy and no personelily— substance, no policy and no personelily. — substance, no policy and no personality . but- substance, no policy and no personality . »1:; 2 e personality. but lizzie doesn't know what a woman is. well, he does , but he doesn't. - know what a woman is. well, he does , but he doesn't. but- know what a woman is. well, he does , but he doesn't. but it does, but he doesn't. but it elso— does, but he doesn't. but it also seems like he's pretty stupid. and i don't mean to be rude, but that is pretty stupid. why would you throw one giant rock at somebody else's whilst sitting in a big glass house yourself? i mean, he complained about boris johnson when boris johnson pointed out the whole jemmy savile debacle , all of jemmy savile debacle, all of which he was head of the director of public prosecutions. clearly he wouldn't have had direct involvement and now he's had a go at rishi sunak saying that rishi sunak doesn't want to put child abusers in prison, but knowing full well that rishi sunak has no direct contact or no direct influence with the director of public prosecutions in any of the prosecutions that happened there, it is down to

the judges. so i don't understand where in his brain he thought, i'm going to use that. they're not going to find me out. and then it turns out that he's intervened in something in a for signing something a term for signing something that allows somebody who is a criminal to not be deported, who has then committed further crimes. sam, if you stick up for nim— crimes. sam, if you stick up for mm on— crimes. sam, if you stick up for mm on lnis— crimes. sam, if you stick up for him on this, think— 0” sam, if you stick up for him on this, think will henry vou— him on this, think will henry you sen— him on this, think will henry you i— him on this, think will henry you can. i will— him on this, think will henry you can. i will be— him on this, think will henry you can. i will be appalled. do you— you can. i will be appalled. do you slenl— you can. i will be appalled. do you stand with— you can. i will be appalled. do you stand with what i will say is-lnow— you stand with what i will say is-lnow ne-s- is that, you know, he's obviously— is that, you know, he's obviously got- is that, you know, he's obviously got a is that, you know, he's- obviously got a-record an obviously got a track record an exemplery— obviously got a track record an exemplary track— obviously got a track record an exemplary track record because he exemplary track record because ne you— exemplary track record because ne you lnow,— exemplary track record because ne you lnow, i— exemplary track record because he you know, i mean, we are pisling—oull picking we are picking out lnings— picking we are picking out things-we're- picking we are picking outi things-we're picking picking we are picking out- things-we're picking out. things here. we're picking out. we're picking say he's we're picking out. you say he's got we're picking out. you say he's gol—lresl- we're picking out. you say he's got—track record.i got an exemplary track record. lperl— got an exemplary track record. open-ill.- got an exemplary track record. aperl-iil. - got an exemplary track record. apart-bit. well,- got an exemplary track record.| apart-bit. well, no, apart from that bit. well, no, if apart from that bit. well, no, ii-ii— apart from that bit. well, no, ii-ii you— apart from that bit. well, no, if if you work work if you if you work if you work in certain area for years and in a certain area for years and years and years, he didn't he all he was like, of course all he did was like, of course he never want somebody not he would never want somebody not to be deported if they were a child rapist. and also and of course. of course. which was which which which i. which. which i don't. which i. which don't think would which i don't think would have been have been. been his idea to have been. i know. let's let's attack rishi on . it would it would have on this. it would it would have been do with his pr like been to do with his pr team like what what should what

what are we what should what should for. let's for should we go for. let's go for these dirty politics. i think it's i think these dirty politics. i think it's out i think these dirty politics. i think it's out of i think these dirty politics. i think it's out of order. i think these dirty politics. i think it's out of order. and i think these dirty politics. i think it's out of order. and yeah,< these dirty politics. i think it's out of order. and yeah, it is. it mudslinging. it's out of order. and yeah, it is. it mudslinging . and so is. it is mudslinging. and so obviously gone back obviously people have gone back into record and track into his track record and track record and found something . you record and found something. you know what we were just talking about, which obviously looks like from outside. like it reeks from the outside. so think this is this is dirty so i think this is this is dirty politics. that's not going to people's track records. and let's a look at what let's let's have a look at what the the future. the have a look to the future. let's look at just to confirm somelning— let's look at just to confirm somethingisaid.- let's look at just to confirm something said. think i've something i said. i think i've got— something i said. i think i've gol—iil- something i said. i think i'vei got—bit muddled something i said. i think i've- got_bit muddled up, something i said. i think i've- got||_bit muddled up, something i said. i think i've got i don't bit muddled up, something i said. i think i've got i don't think bit muddled up, something i said. i think i've got i don't think fabianidled up, something i said. i think i've got i don't think fabian didd up, something i said. i think i've got i don't think fabian did not», but i don't think fabian did not sommil— but i don't think fabian did not commit—after- but i don't think fabian did not commit—after this. j commit other crimes after this. lul— commit other crimes after this. rel-lnel— commit other crimes after this. rel-lnel lei- commit other crimes after this. but that keir starmer but the fact that keir starmer sloppel— but the fact that keir starmer. sloppel—iul stopped the deportation and. but it's stopped the deportation and. but il-s—slill— it's still but it's still nolning-s— it's still but it's still nothing's been confirmed. but it's nothing's been confirmed. but il-s-slill— nothing's been confirmed. but it's-still the- it's still it's still the vislim— it's still it's still the victim, of- it's still it's still the victim, of course, always going on-vislims- victim, of course, always going on-victims, sam. l victim, of course, always going. on-victims, sam. and on about the victims, sam. and in — on about the victims, sam. and in _oi— on about the victims, sam. and i-m-oi-men- on about the victims, sam. and i'm-of-man, henry. on about the victims, sam. andl i'm-of-man, henry. i'm victims of this man, henry. i'm victims of this man, henry. i think it's appalling. i think“ i think it's appalling. i think he i think it's appalling. i think ne snoull— i think it's appalling. i think he should have— i think it's appalling. i think he should have been deported. well— he should have been deported. well enywey— he should have been deported. well, anyway, let's.— he should have been deported. well, anyway, let's. let's- he should have been deported. well, anyway, let's. let's just see on. let's see see what's going on. let's see what viewers that, what our viewers think of that, because nothing because the show is nothing without welcome them without them. let's welcome them onto opportunity onto the show. their opportunity to think to tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. i've today. let's i've got three today. let's start solihull. start with brian in solihull. bnan start with brian in solihull. brian are you ? hello. brian nana, how are you? hello. what do you think ? well look,

what do you think? well look, i think trying to pin this on keir starmer , the government has been starmer, the government has been in power. no . and they're the in power. no. and they're the ones responsible— in power. no. and they're the ones responsible .— g“ no. and they're the ones responsible . they're the ones responsible. they're the wno— ones responsible. they're the ones who have— ones responsible. they're the ones who have in— ones responsible. they're the ones who have in terms of the legel— ones who have in terms of the legel syslem— ones who have in terms of the legel syslem ,— ones who have in terms of the legal system , absolutely botched legal system, absolutely botched it legal system, absolutely botched il up.— legal system, absolutely botched il up. wnl— legal system, absolutely botched it up. and that's— legal system, absolutely botched it up. and that's the reason lnel— it up. and that's the reason lnel lne— it up. and that's the reason that the things— it up. and that's the reason that the things that we would lile— that the things that we would lile lo— that the things that we would lile lo see— that the things that we would like to see happen , society at like to see happen, society at lerge— like to see happen, society at lerge eenl— like to see happen, society at large aren't happening. and you lnow,— large aren't happening. and you lnow, in— large aren't happening. and you know, in terms— large aren't happening. and you know, in terms of— large aren't happening. and you know, in terms of bullying , know, in terms of bullying, lizzie,— know, in terms of bullying, lizzie, e— know, in terms of bullying, lizzie, a lot— know, in terms of bullying, lizzie, a lot of— know, in terms of bullying, lizzie, a lot of respect for lizzie— lizzie, a lot of respect for lizzie .— lizzie, a lot of respect for lizzie . she— lizzie, a lot of respect for lizzie . she mentioned the word lizzie. she mentioned the word bullying— lizzie. she mentioned the word bullying behaviour . lizzie. she mentioned the word bullying behaviour. rishi sunak has bullying behaviour. rishi sunak nes es— bullying behaviour. rishi sunak nes es e— bullying behaviour. rishi sunak nes es e lepuly— bullying behaviour. rishi sunak has as a deputy who's just been lone— has as a deputy who's just been lone ior— has as a deputy who's just been done for bullying— has as a deputy who's just been done for bullying .— has as a deputy who's just been done for bullying . so look, done for bullying. so look, lel-s— done for bullying. so look, lel-s slop— done for bullying. so look, let's stop trying to pin things on lei— let's stop trying to pin things on keir starmer— let's stop trying to pin things on keir starmer .— let's stop trying to pin things on keir starmer . that's just on keir starmer. that's just lile— on keir starmer. that's just lile e— on keir starmer. that's just lile e en— on keir starmer. that's just like a an attack— on keir starmer. that's just like a an attack from the oulsile— like a an attack from the outside that— like a an attack from the outside that we're trying to say lnel— outside that we're trying to say lnel ne-s— outside that we're trying to say lnel ne-s lne— outside that we're trying to say that he's the one— outside that we're trying to say that he's the one attacking and lel-s— that he's the one attacking and em lel-s— that he's the one attacking and em lel-s gel— that he's the one attacking and let's let's get real— that he's the one attacking and let's let's get real here and lel-s— let's let's get real here and em lei-s— let's let's get real here and let's, let's, let's— let's let's get real here and let's, let's, let's say that the governmenl— let's, let's, let's say that the government has— let's, let's, let's say that the government has been in power and lney— government has been in power and lney snoull— government has been in power and they should have— government has been in power and they should have done more. leen— they should have done more. leen la,— they should have done more. yeah, but, but— they should have done more. yeah, but, but this isn't the pole.— yeah, but, but this isn't the poinl. — yeah, but, but this isn't the poinl. ine— yeah, but, but this isn't the point. the point- yeah, but, but this isn't the point. the point is-

yeah, but, but this isn't the point. the point is that there's a campaign going on that keir starmer and his party are behind that are criticising a political party and rishi sunak specifically are making claims that don't seem seem a bit odd because we know that rishi wouldn't want a child sex offender not to go to prison. and yet it turns out that he's done things that may been done things that may have been in vein. let's go to in a similar vein. let's go to the lovely doctor, stephanie in milton keynes. stephanie good afternoon , nana you look afternoon, nana you look absolutely amazing , by the way, absolutely amazing, by the way, you stunning in red. thank you . you stunning in red. thank you. so what do you think , nana? i so what do you think, nana? i have to agree with you and with lizzie. — have to agree with you and with lizzie. sorry.— have to agree with you and with lizzie. sorry, brian— have to agree with you and with lizzie. sorry, brian ,- have to agree with you and with lizzie. 3“ have to agree with you and with lizzie. ’3“ lizzie. sorry, brian, but no, i do agree . i think that keir do agree. i think that keir starmer is campaign is going to come back to bite him . what most come back to bite him. what most of the comments— come back to bite him. what most of the comments we've— 0 0 g“ what most of the comments we've heard this eilernoon — of the comments we've heard this eilernoon ,— of the comments we've heard this eilernoon , e— of the comments we've heard this afternoon , a lot— of the comments we've heard this afternoon , a lot of— of the comments we've heard this afternoon , a lot of people are afternoon, a lot of people are seying— afternoon, a lot of people are seying ne-s— afternoon, a lot of people are saying he's coming across as a nyposrile— saying he's coming across as a nyposrile enl— saying he's coming across as a hypocrite and as— saying he's coming across as a hypocrite and as a— saying he's coming across as a hypocrite and as a comedian. so i hypocrite and as a comedian. so i ll— hypocrite and as a comedian. so i ll lninl— hypocrite and as a comedian. so i do think lizzie— hypocrite and as a comedian. so i do think lizzie made- hypocrite and as a comedian. so i do think lizzie made a- hypocrite and as a comedian. so i do think lizzie made a few good points about him lacking

substance. i do agree with that. and he's not giving us anything. so i think he needs to review his campaign an and review what he's saying about rishi sunak. you know, he's a prime minister. at you know, he's a prime minister. ll lne— you know, he's a prime minister. ll lie enl— you know, he's a prime minister. ll lie enl oi— you know, he's a prime minister. at the end of the— you know, he's a prime minister. p »1:7“»2 23 rishi at the end of the day. rishi sunak so he needs- at the end of the day. rishi sunak so he needs to- p »1:7“»2 23 rishi sunak so he needs to be careful . nul— sunak so he needs to be careful . nul yes.— sunak so he needs to be careful . nul yes. i— sunak so he needs to be careful . nul yes. i ll— sunak so he needs to be careful . but yes, i do think- sunak so he needs to be careful . but yes, i do think it- sunak so he needs to be careful . but yes, i do think it is- . but yes, i do think it is going to come back and bite him. thank you. anna mcneely you're calling there in grimsby . good calling there in grimsby. good afternoon. good afternoon- 0 “g i“»1:1:; “ c,” good afternoon. good afternoon , afternoon. good afternoon, everyloly. — afternoon. good afternoon, everyloly. i— afternoon. good afternoon, everybody. “

this is his great champion horse about getting money. this is a man who negotiated the deal, so he pays no tax whatsoever on his pension despite the fact that the rest of us have to pay up. you've only got to look at his policy on migration on and you've got to look at what brian ? idon't you've got to look at what brian ? i don't know. it's not brian . ? i don't know. it's not brian. is— ? i don't know. it's not brian. is lien.— ? i don't know. it's not brian. is lien. wnl— ? i don't know. it's not brian. it's alan. and i— 7’ i don't know. it's not brian. it's alan. and i don't know eioul— it's alan. and i don't know eioul nls— it's alan. and i don't know about his policies on migration lesse— about his policies on migration iesse i— about his policies on migration because i don't— about his policies on migration because i don't think he's said enylning— because i don't think he's said enylning eloul— because i don't think he's said anything about them. listen, lnenl— anything about them. listen, lnenl-so— anything about them. listen, thank-so-brian. thank you so much, brian solinull— thank you so much, brian solihull milton keynes. alan solihull in milton keynes. alan in srimsly— solihull in milton keynes. alan in grimsby, pleasure. in grimsby, always a pleasure. inose— in grimsby, always a pleasure. inose-sreel— in grimsby, always a pleasure. those great british those are my great british voles.— those are my great british voices-quickly- those are my great british voices. quickly , let's voices. very quickly, let's move onlenolner— voices. very quickly, let's move onlanother-that- voices. very quickly, let's move on another that caught on to another story that caught my on to another story that caughti my—numpnries my eye today. barry humphries, wno—loley- my eye today. barry humphries, wno—loley ,- my eye today. barry humphries, wno—loley , egel| my eye today. barry humphries,. who _today , aged 89 who passed away today, aged 89 eiler— who passed away today, aged 89 after-hospitalised- who passed away today, aged 89 after hospitalised for after being hospitalised for complications— after being hospitalised for complications after hip surgery . ne— complications after hip surgery . ne es— complications after hip surgery . ne ling.— complications after hip surgery . he was king. he— complications after hip surgery . he was king. he was king snerles— . he was king. he was king snerles es— . he was king. he was king charles as an— . he was king. he was king charles as an old time favourite , lul— charles as an old time favourite , iul es— charles as an old time favourite , iul es neme— charles as an old time favourite , but as dame edna, he infiltrated _ , but as dame edna, he infiltrated the - , but as dame edna, he infiltrated the royal box, leeving— infiltrated the royal box, leaving the _ infiltrated the royal box, leaving the then prince charles enl— leaving the then prince charles enl semille— leaving the then prince charles and camilla in— leaving the then prince charles and camilla in hysterics. and legenlery— and camilla in hysterics. and legendary comedian jim davidson told legendary comedian jim davidson loll-lnel— legendary comedian jim davidson told _thatithinks- legendary comedian jim davidson told that thinks that told gb news that he thinks that berry— told gb news that he thinks that berry-lne— told gb news that he thinks that barry-the greatest- told gb news that he thinks that barry the greatest and barry was the greatest and williesl— barry was the greatest and wittiest comedian of time. a wittiest comedian of all time. a lregis— wittiest comedian of all time. a lregis loss. — wittiest comedian of all time. a tragic loss. liz,— wittiest comedian of all time. a tragic loss. liz, you— wittiest comedian of all time. a

tragic loss. liz, you actually mel— tragic loss. liz, you actually mel nimi— tragic loss. liz, you actually mel nimi i— tragic loss. liz, you actually met him? i did— tragic loss. liz, you actually met him? i did actually meet nim— met him? i did actually meet nim.|lnl— met him? i did actually meet nim.|wnl jim— met him? i did actually meet him. and jim davidson. totally right . comic genius. i was very right. comic genius. i was very lucky enough to meet him. it was actually on the lorraine kelly show where lorraine was interviewed him and he us interviewed him and he had us all in hysterics because lorraine had his book in her hand and he went, darling , does hand and he went, darling, does anyone tell you no? when anyone have to tell you no? when you someone, very you interview someone, it's very rude read a book when you're rude to read a book when you're interviewing them. but she had his but was so funny. his book, but he was so funny. and i mean, the names he had and the i mean, the names he had on his show, the dame for every show, know , and he used to show, you know, and he used to take the mickey. i remember cliff richard where he got up, interrupted his songs, dancing around it was just around him. but it was just something else . probably the something else. probably the funniest man of our generation . funniest man of our generation. fantastic. bless all i can say is news— fantastic. bless all i can say is news ,— fantastic. bless all i can say is hello , paul. _ fantastic. bless all i can say is hello , paul. it- fantastic. bless all i can say is hello , paul. it was- fantastic. bless all i can say is hello , paul. it was very is hello, paul. it was very good, wasn't it? and also a inenl— good, wasn't it? and also a irienl oi— good, wasn't it? and also a friend of mine— good, wasn't it? and also a friend of mine was- g: e 07’ and also a friend of mine was writing on reselool— friend of mine was writing on facebook today— friend of mine was writing on facebook today like , you know facebook today like, you know now— facebook today like, you know now we— facebook today like, you know now we you— facebook today like, you know how we you know,— facebook today like, you know how we you know, i watched i welsnel— how we you know, i watched i watched dame _ how we you know, i watched i watched dame edna when i was growing— watched dame edna when i was growing-wnl— watched dame edna when i was growing-and-are,l watched dame edna when i was. growing-and-are, you growing up. and here we are, you lnow,— growing up. and here we are, you lnow, ne— growing up. and here we are, you lnow, ne es— growing up. and here we are, you lnow, ne e— growing up. and here we are, you know, he was a drag queen, like neme— know, he was a drag queen, like i>eme ilne— know, he was a drag queen, like dame edna was_ know, he was a drag queen, like dame edna was a— know, he was a drag queen, like dame edna was a drag queen. and,

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because like, you know, they amy dowden television. lily because like, you know, they amy dowdenwas television. lily because like, you know, they amy dowdenwas on television. lily because like, you know, they amy dowdenwas on television.. lily because like, you know, they amy dowdenwas on television. wey because like, you know, they amy dowdenwas on television. we all savage was on television. we all welsnel. —lnem.| watched. we all watched them. wnl— watched. we all watched them. wnl we— watched. we all watched them. wnl we wee— watched. we all watched them. and we were going to school. but lnere-s—wes- there's no difference. it was it il— there's no difference. it was it il — there's no difference. it was it was. it was..was_ there's no difference. it was it was. it was..was it- there's no difference. it was it was. it was. was it was drag was. it was. it was it was drag geens— was. it was. it was it was drag geens in— was. it was. it was it was drag queens in school.— was. it was. it was it was drag queens in school. age queens in school. it was age eppropriele— queens in school. it was age eppropriele. il— queens in school. it was age appropriate. it age appropriate. it was age eppropriele— appropriate. it was age appropriate we were appropriate for us when we were growing— appropriate for us when we were growing-so,— appropriate for us when we were growing-so, i— appropriate for us when we were growing so, i mean, like appropriate for us when we were grotvery so, i mean, like appropriate for us when we were grotvery it's so, i mean, like appropriate for us when we were grotvery it's very mean, like appropriate for us when we were grotvery it's very suddenlyle it's very it's very suddenly il-s— it's very it's very suddenly il-s-sorry— it's very it's very suddenly. il-s-sorry—lne it's very sorry they made the snow— it's very sorry they made the snow es— it's very sorry they made the show was on in— it's very sorry they made the show was on in the evening. 0 show was on in the evening. it wes-evening— show was on in the evening. it was-evening show,- show was on in the evening. it was-evening show, early- was an evening show, early evening. no, no, nobody's seying. — evening. no, no, nobody's saying. nobody's- evening. no, no, nobody's saying. nobody's saying there's anything wrong with drag queens and things like that. we're talking and don't talking about story and i don't think school. think they belong in school. it's snowflakey to it's a bit snowflakey to say lnel— it's a bit snowflakey to say lnel-lnel— it's a bit snowflakey to say that-that they- it's a bit snowflakey to say that that they don't it's a bit snowflakey to say that butt they don't it's a bit snowflakey to say that but ithey don't it's a bit snowflakey to say that but i don'tion't it's a bit snowflakey to say that but i don't think so. belong, but i don't think so. i lninl— belong, but i don't think so. i lninl lnel-s— belong, but i don't think so. i think that's one— belong, but i don't think so. i think that's one of— belong, but i don't think so. i think that's one of they- belong, but i don't think so. i think that's one of they don't belong there. i mean, unbelievably- g g“»1:;1»1:; i mean, unbelievably funny. and i belong there. i mean,- unbelievably funny. and i have so—leugns.- unbelievably funny. and i have so_laughs. yeah,- unbelievably funny. and i havei so_laughs. yeah, me so many belly laughs. yeah, me loo. — so many belly laughs. yeah, me loo. ileellyi— so many belly laughs. yeah, me too. really?-me- so many belly laughs. yeah, me too. really? me too. and too. really? really. me too. and you— too. really? really. me too. and you ememier— too. really? really. me too. and you remember when madge used to

fall you remember when madge used to iell-sleirsi — you remember when madge used to fall-stairs? that- you remember when madge used to fall-stairs? that was. fall down the stairs? that was my- — fall down the stairs? that was my. inel— fall down the stairs? that was my. that was my favourite. and then then they then when. and then when they got from from got real madge from the, from neighbours her fall neighbours to be there her fall down stairs . classic r.i.p down the stairs. classic r.i.p r.i.p real loss. a real loss, lul— r.i.p real loss. a real loss, iul e— r.i.p real loss. a real loss, but a fabulous— 1 ”030 a real loss, but a fabulous person nonetheless- but a fabulous person nonetheless and left a serious merl— nonetheless and left a serious merl on— nonetheless and left a serious merl on lnis— nonetheless and left a serious mark on this country and many sounlies— mark on this country and many countries all— mark on this country and many countries all over— mark on this country and many countries all over the world. nul— countries all over the world. lul rignl— countries all over the world. lul rignl no— countries all over the world. but right now it's time for our guisl— but right now it's time for our guisl-guiz. — but right now it's time for our quick-quiz. that's- but right now it's time for our quick quiz. that's part quick fire quiz. that's the part of quick fire quiz. that's the part oi—i- quick fire quiz. that's the part oi—i lesl- quick fire quiz. that's the part oi—i lesl myl of the show where i test my penel— of the show where i test my penellsome— of the show where i test my panel-some of- of the show where i test my panel some of the other panel on some of the other slories— panel on some of the other stories that— panel on some of the other stories that are— panel on some of the other stories that are hitting the neellines— stories that are hitting the headlines right joining headlines right now. joining me iroelsesl— headlines right now. joining me broadcast—lizziej headlines right now. joining me broadceyour_lizziej headlines right now. joining me broadceyour buzzer lizzie headlines right now. joining me broadceyour buzzer and lizzie headlines right now. joining me broadceyour buzzer and also zie cundy. your buzzer and also polilisel— political commentator sam dowler.— political commentator sam dowler. - buzzer- political commentator sam dowler. - buzzer .- political commentator sam dowler. buzzer . right. so dowler. your buzzer. right. so gueslion— dowler. your buzzer. right. sol gueslion—elong question one, please play along at question one, please play along el nome— question one, please play along at home. firefighters staff at home. firefighters and staff were-sellel- at home. firefighters and staff were-called out- were recently called out for a pounl— were recently called out for a pounl leng— were recently called out for a pound land, but— were recently called out for a pound land, but why is it a to rescue a pigeon— pound land, but why is it a to rescue a pigeon b, to put a put oul— rescue a pigeon b, to put a put oul e— rescue a pigeon b, to put a put oul e lire— rescue a pigeon b, to put a put oul e iire or— rescue a pigeon b, to put a put out a fire or c,— rescue a pigeon b, to put a put out a fire or c, to— rescue a pigeon b, to put a put out a fire or c, to rescue a lreppel— out a fire or c, to rescue a trapped child?— out a fire or c, to rescue a trapped child? lizzie cundy. hey,— trapped child? lizzie cundy. hey-wes— trapped child? lizzie cundy. ney-wes lnel- trapped child? lizzie cundy. hey, was that pigeon ? a hey, what was that pigeon? a pigeons— hey, what was that pigeon? a pigeoni — hey, what was that pigeon? a pigeone sem— hey, what was that pigeon? a pigeon? sam, why- hey, what was that pigeon? a pigeon? rwy i“»1:1:; hey, what was that pigeon? a pigeon? sam, why is there not d to those sweet, sweet deals to get those sweet, sweet deals 7 to get those sweet, sweet deals ? it was. i say it was a pigeon . sem— ? it was. i say it was a pigeon . sem ves— ? it was. i say it was a pigeon . sam yes,lpigeon- 7 g i say it was a pigeon . sam yes, pigeon gone are the . sam yes, a pigeon gone are the leys— . sam yes, a pigeon gone are the leys oi— . sam yes, a pigeon gone are the leys oi ressuing— . sam yes, a pigeon gone are the days of rescuing cats in trees. wow— days of rescuing cats in trees. low is— days of rescuing cats in trees. now it's birds— days of rescuing cats in trees. now it's birds who can fly. unbelievable— now it's birds who can fly. unbelievable from shops. right. oueslion— unbelievable from shops. right. oueslion lo— unbelievable from shops. right. question to true— unbelievable from shops. right. question to true or false? a lepenese— question to true or false? a japanese vending machine has mele— japanese vending machine has made-headlines-

japanese vending machine has made headlines this week due made the headlines this week due to made the headlines this week due lo ils— made the headlines this week due lo ils selling— made the headlines this week due to its selling of— made the headlines this week due to its selling of a— made the headlines this week due to its selling of a beer mat. ves. — to its selling of a beer mat. ves. wiel— to its selling of a beer mat. yes. we lo— to its selling of a beer mat. yes. what do you- to its selling of a beer mat. yes. what do you think? 2 yes. what do you think? i would say yes. what do you think? i would sey il-s— yes. what do you think? i would sey il-s lrue— yes. what do you think? i would say it's true because there's been a japanese vending machines that sell that sell knickers and stuff because i'm going to go. well, it is true because the bee.— well, it is true because the leen lne— well, it is true because the beer, the bear— well, it is true because the beer, the bear is- well, it is true because the beer, the bear is even listed as a beer, the bear is even listed as evulnereile— beer, the bear is even listed as a vulnerable species. the bear mels— a vulnerable species. the bear mats. actually,— a vulnerable species. the bear mats. actually, i— a vulnerable species. the bear mats. actually, i would love to il-s— mats. actually, i would love to il-s guise— mats. actually, i would love to see. it's quite awful.- mats. actually, i would love to see. c 2 0“ see. it's quite awful. oh oh. just a bit unbearable- see. it's quite awful. oh oh. just a bit unbearable . - see. it's quite awful. oh oh. just a bit unbearable . oh, very just a bit unbearable. oh, very geol— just a bit unbearable. oh, very gool . i— just a bit unbearable. oh, very gool . i sen-l— just a bit unbearable. oh, very good . i can't even— just a bit unbearable. o“ 03 g: i can't even bear it. good. i can't even bear it. i sen-l— good. i can't even bear it. i sell leer— good. i can't even bear it. i can't bear to— good. i can't even bear it. i can't bear to think- g: i can't even bear it. i can't bear to think about it. non-l— can't bear to think about it. non-l go. — can't bear to think about it. psn-l go. neer— can't bear to think about it. don't go. bear. bear- can't bear to think about it. j1:»“ e g:» that can't bear to think about it. j»1:»“ e g:» that one don't go. bear. bear that one was bad. don't go. bear. bear that one iel. no,— don't go. bear. bear that one was bad. no, that— don't go. bear. bear that one was bad. no, that was- j»1:»“ e g:» that one was bad. no, that was . was bad. no, that was. that was minim.— was bad. no, that was. that was rubbish. deplorable rubbish. question three a conservative mp had warned that popular food had warned that a popular food item could vanish our item could vanish from our plates to the shortages. but plates due to the shortages. but what is it? is it a scotch what food is it? is it a scotch egg? b scampi or c pickles? lizzie cundy i'm going for b scampi. i'm lizzie cundy i'm going for b scampi . i'm going for a scotch scampi. i'm going for a scotch egg— scampi. i'm going for a scotch egg lesse— scampi. i'm going for a scotch egg because there's— 0 i'm going for a scotch egg because there's a lot of elemenls— egg because there's a lot of elemenls lo— egg because there's a lot of elements to a _ egg because there's a lot of elements to a scotch egg scotch, 999 elements to a scotch egg scotch, egg ssempi— elements to a scotch egg scotch, egg ssempi. wo— elements to a scotch egg scotch, egg scampi. no remember you remember the _ egg scampi. no remember you remember the scampi and lemon srispsi — remember the scampi and lemon srispsi ii— remember the scampi and lemon crisps? if somebody— remember the scampi and lemon crisps? 2 “32 remember the scampi and lemon crisps? �*7 2 “32 crisps? if somebody had them, you'd be like, oh, my god. oh, my god, my, my partner.-

2 0 cl:»»2 oh, my god, my, my partner. my penner— my god, my, my partner. my partner bought— my god, my, my partner. my partner bought me the whole lning— partner bought me the whole lning irom — partner bought me the whole thing from the— partner bought me the whole thing from the pub where there was thing from the pub where there were. lile,- thing from the pub where there was—was like, like. was like. there was like, like 18 was like. there was like, like is-wnl— was like. there was like, like 18 _andlmowed- was like. there was like, like- 18 _andlmowed through 18 packets. and i mowed through lnem — 18 packets. and i mowed through lnem -lnen— 18 packets. and i mowed through lnem -lnen-leli them all. and then i didn't let you kiss after that? no you kiss him after that? no one wants kiss yes. due to wants to kiss me. yes. due to visa issues with foreign fishermen, britain could be seeing scampi. do seeing the end of scampi. do you. scampi? like you. do you like scampi? i like it. good, it smells. it. tastes good, but it smells. i it. but scampi. but i love it. but love scampi. but it's langoustines or— it's langoustines or prawns, isn-l— it's langoustines or prawns, isn-l-i— it's langoustines or prawns, isn-l-i love— it's langoustines or prawns, isn't-i love it- it's langoustines or prawns, isn't-i love it .- it's langoustines or prawns, isn't-i love it. chips.i isn't it? i love it. chips. question four a russian woman was saying vladimir was fined for saying vladimir zelenskyy handsome , but how zelenskyy was handsome, but how much fined for in much was she fined for in pounds? closest answer wins . i pounds? closest answer wins. i know there's £600. do you suppose iso— know there's £600. do you suppose 700 actually- 000 do you suppose 700 actually found ji00 do you suppose 700 actually found out you liln-l— suppose 700 actually found out you didn't know— suppose 700 actually found out you didn't know it— suppose 700 actually found out you didn't know it was £393. nul— you didn't know it was £393. lol you— you didn't know it was £393. lol you ll— you didn't know it was £393. em you ll win— you didn't know it was £393. but you do win because- you didn't know it was £393. but you do win because you're the closest answer. thank you. do either of you think zelenskyy is handsome? yes . yes. no. no is handsome? yes. yes. no. no no, no, i do. he's a hottie . no, no, i do. he's a hottie. he's vertically challenged. yeah, he's not that. when you're tall, yeah, he's not that. when you're lell you— yeah, he's not that. when you're lell you enl— yeah, he's not that. when you're tall, you and your— yeah, he's not that. when you're tall, you and your tall- i/l:3“ when you're tall, you and your tall problem solou — tall, you and your tall problem solou leen— tall, you and your tall problem colour. yeah ,— tall, you and your tall problem colour. / tall, you and your tall problem colour. 4:3“ colour. yeah, because he's wore lizzie. he's colour. yeah, because he's wore lizzie . he's probably not colour. 14:3“ »: he's probably not got lizzie. he's probably not got a werlroie— lizzie. he's probably not got a werlroie .— lizzie. he's probably not got a wardrobe . yes. _ lizzie. he's probably not got a wardrobe . yes. sorry.- »: he's probably not got a wardrobe . yes. l: 2 e wardrobe. yes. sorry. he doesn't have like , you know, gucci suits have like, you know, gucci suits like gucci sunak five, which

fictional story is now receiving a gender shake up? is it a, japan? b, cinderella. - g: 2 0. :»7 is it a, japan? b, cinderella. c pinocchio. _ japan? b, cinderella. c pinocchio. peter pan . peter pan. pinocchio. peter pan. peter pan. sinlerelle— pinocchio. peter pan. peter pan. sinlerelle is— pinocchio. peter pan. peter pan. cinderella is peter— pinocchio. peter pan. peter pan. cinderella is peter pan . you're cinderella is peter pan. you're rignl. — cinderella is peter pan. you're rignl. ves— cinderella is peter pan. you're rignl. ves. ine— cinderella is peter pan. you're right. yes. the upcoming disney movie— right. yes. the upcoming disney is— right. yes. the upcoming disney is sel— right. yes. the upcoming disney movie is set to— right. yes. the upcoming disney movie is set to feature a group lullel— movie is set to feature a group luiiel ine— movie is set to feature a group dubbed the lost— movie is set to feature a group dubbed the lost girls . i wonder dubbed the lost girls. i wonder wiel— dubbed the lost girls. i wonder wnel piese— dubbed the lost girls. i wonder wnel piese oi— dubbed the lost girls. i wonder what piece of literature will get— what piece of literature will gel-nexli — what piece of literature will get-next? oh,- what piece of literature will get-next? oh, it's. what piece of literature will get next? cj“ 0 what piece of literature will- get-next? oh, it's not woke get woke next? oh, it's not woke to include people. no, that's what it's about . oh, inclusion . what it's about. oh, inclusion. it's making people feel included . civil servants on doddie aid . . civil servants on doddie aid. so . civil servants on doddie aid. so weve— . civil servants on doddie aid. so leen— . civil servants on doddie aid. so we've been asking,- . civil servants on doddie aid. so we've been asking, should the nurses strike by? the winner of that was sam 032. i think it was . should the nurses strike be declared illegal? according to our 67% of say our twitter poll, 67% of you say yes . 33% of you say no existing. yes. 33% of you say no existing. thank you so much to my panel broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy. you cundy. lizzie cundy, thank you very much forjoining me. thank you. also political you. and also political commentator sam dallas. thank you. and also political comsoentator sam dallas. thank you. and also political comso much, sam dallas. thank you. and also political comso much, sam.)allas. thank you. and also political comso much, sam. lovely thank you. and also political com so much, sam. lovely to ank you. and also political com so much, sam. lovely to see you so much, sam. lovely to see you so much, sam. lovely to see you you going? i don't. you again. you going? i don't. thank you to you for your company . thank you to you for your company. i'll be thank you to you for your company . i'll be back tomorrow. company. i'll be back tomorrow. same time, same place. don't forget, joining me will be the lovely christine hamilton and also fabulous danny kelly.

also the fabulous danny kelly. stay tuned on gb news. so much more to come. we've got five saturdays, five and of course, mark dolan later take care. mark dolan later on. take care. i'll later. hello mark dolan later on. take care. i'll later . hello there i'll see you later. hello there . very good evening. welcome to your latest weather update from the met office. i'm jonathan vautrey mixture of showers and longer spells of rain to greet us throughout sunday, all thanks to low pressure being in charge of our weather and bringing us relatively unsettled conditions. the relatively spaced the isobars relatively spaced out across much of northern ireland, england and wales and into southern scotland. so winds will remain relatively light throughout saturday evening and that will just allow some of these rain to be these bands of rain to be relatively moving. the main relatively slow moving. the main one pushing into areas of southern england as we head towards later night. towards later on in the night. but generally lot of cloud but generally a lot of cloud around head throughout and around as we head throughout and that hold temperatures up that will hold temperatures up around 6 c for most. but around 5 or 6 c for most. but perhaps down into low single figures where do see some figures where we do see some shelter rural spots. so shelter in rural spots. so a cloudy start to sunday morning and band of rain in the and this band of rain in the south is going to push its way into south—east. worth a into the south—east. so worth a

watch are running watch point if you are running the london marathon. it could be rather sharp showers rather wet. some sharp showers developing elsewhere. perhaps rather wet. some sharp showers dev very ng elsewhere. perhaps rather wet. some sharp showers devvery isolated here. perhaps rather wet. some sharp showers devvery isolated rumblelrhaps rather wet. some sharp showers devvery isolated rumble ofaps the very isolated rumble of thunder in mixture of those as well. further rain pushing its way north—east scotland and way into north—east scotland and that wintry over the that could fall wintry over the higher we see some higher ground as we see some colder air tickets way in from the and really feeling the north and really feeling much compared to we much colder compared to where we have late . those showers have been of late. those showers will ease off as we will generally ease off as we head into the overnight period, and that will allow more in the way to develop. way of clear spells to develop. so slightly chillier night to so a slightly chillier night to come head into the early come as we head into the early hours monday morning. hours of monday morning. some patchy and there. but patchy frost here and there. but we've further rain pushing patchy frost here and there. but we'venorthern �*ier rain pushing patchy frost here and there. but we'venorthern ireland pushing patchy frost here and there. but we'venorthern ireland pusiwales from northern ireland into wales and down into southern areas of england throughout the morning. showers streaming their showers still streaming their way across northern areas of way in across northern areas of scotland falling asleep and scotland now falling asleep and hail to lower levels here. hail to lower levels even here. and some wintry ness pushing into eastern coast as well. it is eastern coast that will see the strongest winds throughout monday where those isobars are slightly squeezed together. but monday where those isobars are slridge squeezed together. but monday where those isobars are slridge of|ueezed together. but monday where those isobars are slridge of highed together. but monday where those isobars are slridge of high pressureier. but a ridge of high pressure building for tuesday to help building in for tuesday to help settle things down, least . settle things down, at least.

but the risk of further but there is the risk of further rain towards rain as we head towards wednesday and temperatures are still below average still going to be below average for of year .

to neil oliver live on gb news tv and on radio . tonight, i'll tv and on radio. tonight, i'll be joined by consultant cardiologist aseem malhotra . cardiologist aseem malhotra. he's among a group of international experts backing an approach to the high court of south africa, calling for an urgent judicial review of pfizer's mrna covid vaccine products , which he fears may be products, which he fears may be harmful . i'll also be talking harmful. i'll also be talking about this issue to jay naidoo, who's an elder statesman of south african politics. he was one of nelson mandela, his most

trusted supporters and advisors