t0 neil oliver live on gb news tv and on radio . to neil oliver live on gb news tv and on radio . tonight, i'll tv and on radio. tonight, i'll be joined by consultant cardiologist aseem malhotra . cardiologist aseem malhotra. he's among a group of international experts backing an approach to the high court of south africa, calling for an urgent judicial review of pfizer's mrna covid vaccine products , which he fears may be products, which he fears may be harmful . i'll also be talking harmful. i'll also be talking about this issue to jay naidoo, who's an elder statesman of south african politics. he was one of nelson mandela, his most

trusted supporters and advisors . and as a new tv drama is released about the hunt for gunman raoul moat. i'll be joined by survival expert ray mears to hear about how he helped the police with the biggest manhunt in british history . all of that, plus history. all of that, plus plenty of chat with my brilliant panellists, narinder kaur. but first, an update on the latest news from radisson . thanks, news from radisson. thanks, neil. i'm news from radisson. thanks, neu- .-m ray— ?: thanks, neil. i'm ray anderson. 3: thanks, neil. i'm ray anderson. in 3?: thanks, neil. i'm ray anderson. in the gb newsroom— neil. i'm ray anderson. in the gb newsroom. the prime minister has chaired— gb newsroom. the prime minister has chaired en— gb newsroom. the prime minister has chaired an emergency cobra meeting— has chaired an emergency cobra meeting ee— has chaired an emergency cobra meeting as fierce— has chaired an emergency cobra meeting as fierce fighting in sudan— meeting as fierce fighting in sudan enters— meeting as fierce fighting in sudan enters its second week. government— sudan enters its second week. government forces are battling with— government forces are battling with e— government forces are battling with a paramilitar group over cemet— with a paramilitar group over eorrrror or— with a paramilitar group over control of the— with a paramilitar group over control of the capital, khartoum. — control of the capital, khartoum. sudan's military erorme— khartoum. sudan's military claims foreign— khartoum. sudan's military claims foreign nationals and openers,— claims foreign nationals and diplomats, including those from the diplomats, including those from rrre uk,— diplomats, including those from rrre on us,— diplomats, including those from the uk, us, france— diplomats, including those from the uk, us, france and china, wru— the uk, us, france and china, wru oe— the uk, us, france and china, will be evacuated— the uk, us, france and china, will be evacuated . the world will be evacuated. the world rearr— will be evacuated. the world health organisation says more reor— health organisation says more rrrorr roo— health organisation says more than 400 people— health organisation says more than 400 people have been killed and thousands— than 400 people have been killed

and thousands injured since the rroreree— and thousands injured since the violence began— and thousands injured since the violence began .— and thousands injured since the violence began . the snp has violence began. the snp has opporrreo— violence began. the snp has appointed stuart mcdonald as the party's— appointed stuart mcdonald as the pony-e ne— appointed stuart mcdonald as the party's new treasurer following the resignation— party's new treasurer following the resignation of msp colin newne— the resignation of msp colin neorrre. wr— the resignation of msp colin beattie. mr beattie stepped down oner— beattie. mr beattie stepped down one ne— beattie. mr beattie stepped down one ne woe— beattie. mr beattie stepped down after he was arrested by police rnweengonng— after he was arrested by police investigating snp finances. he rarer— investigating snp finances. he was later released without enorge — was later released without enorge .— was later released without enorge . rne— was later released without charge . the party's former chief charge. the party's former chief eeowwer — charge. the party's former chief eeowwer .— charge. the party's former chief executive , peter— charge. the party's former chief executive , peter murrell, who executive, peter murrell, who oreo — executive, peter murrell, who was also nicola— executive, peter murrell, who was also nicola sturgeon's nonwo— was also nicola sturgeon's husband, was— was also nicola sturgeon's husband, was also arrested and queenoneo— husband, was also arrested and questioned before— husband, was also arrested and questioned before being released . nur— questioned before being released . nwr nonoe— questioned before being released . but police are— questioned before being released . but police are investigating the . but police are investigating rne wee— . but police are investigating rne or— . but police are investigating the use of £600,000 in donations neonr— the use of £600,000 in donations mean for— the use of £600,000 in donations mean for we— the use of £600,000 in donations meant for the independence referendum— meant for the independence referendum .— meant for the independence referendum . a— meant for the independence referendum . a serving member of referendum. a serving member of the referendum. a serving member of we nnrren— referendum. a serving member of the british armed— referendum. a serving member of the british armed forces has appeared— the british armed forces has appeared in— the british armed forces has appeared in court charged with orreneee— appeared in court charged with offences under— appeared in court charged with offences under the official seorere— offences under the official secrets act. _ offences under the official secrets act. 36 _ offences under the official secrets act. 36 year old thomas weon— secrets act. 36 year old thomas weon re— secrets act. 36 year old thomas newson is accused— secrets act. 36 year old thomas newson is accused of sharing nonw— newson is accused of sharing highly sensitive— newson is accused of sharing highly sensitive military information— highly sensitive military information on he's alleged to nove— information on he's alleged to nowe enoreo— information on he's alleged to have shared a— information on he's alleged to have shared a ten— information on he's alleged to have shared a ten page document rnrowgn— have shared a ten page document rnrowgn eooror— have shared a ten page document through social media to two senior officers— through social media to two senior officers who had clearance and- senior officers who had clearance and one civilian who did clearance and one civilian who we nor. — clearance and one civilian who did not. prosecutors claim if

we— did not. prosecutors claim if the information _ did not. prosecutors claim if the information was leaked, it wowe— the information was leaked, it wowro nove— the information was leaked, it would have caused a real and rnneorore— would have caused a real and immediate threat— would have caused a real and immediate threat to british peonre— immediate threat to british people outside— immediate threat to british people outside of the uk . he's people outside of the uk. he's one— people outside of the uk. he's one in— people outside of the uk. he's one in corn— people outside of the uk. he's due in court again— people outside of the uk. he's due in court again on friday. we— due in court again on friday. rne ronrw— due in court again on friday. the family of— due in court again on friday. the family of stephen lawrence nowe — the family of stephen lawrence nowe new — the family of stephen lawrence nowe new o— the family of stephen lawrence have held a memorial service in rrororgor— have held a memorial service in trafalgar square— have held a memorial service in trafalgar square to— have held a memorial service in trafalgar square to mark the non — trafalgar square to mark the 30th anniversary of his murder . 30th anniversary of his murder. rne— 30th anniversary of his murder. rne ro— 30th anniversary of his murder. rne re weer— 30th anniversary of his murder. the 18 year old _ 30th anniversary of his murder. the 18 year old was killed in a nonr— the 18 year old was killed in a racist attack— the 18 year old was killed in a racist attack while _ the 18 year old was killed in a racist attack while waiting for a racist attack while waiting for o owe— racist attack while waiting for o one in— racist attack while waiting for a bus in south—east london. it's oueoeo— a bus in south—east london. it's ouegeo rnor— a bus in south—east london. it's alleged that the— a bus in south—east london. it's alleged that the original investigation— alleged that the original investigation was hindered by one— investigation was hindered by racism and police corruption, neonrng— racism and police corruption, neonrng n— racism and police corruption, meaning it took— racism and police corruption, meaning it took almost 20 years for rwo— meaning it took almost 20 years for rwo or— meaning it took almost 20 years for rwo of ne— meaning it took almost 20 years for two of his killers to face wowe— for two of his killers to face r-wenee. nowor— for two of his killers to face justice. mayor of— for two of his killers to face justice. mayor of london, sadiq nnon— justice. mayor of london, sadiq nnon noe— justice. mayor of london, sadiq khan, has said— justice. mayor of london, sadiq khan, has said it's— justice. mayor of london, sadiq khan, has said it's a day to eerenrore— khan, has said it's a day to celebrate the— khan, has said it's a day to celebrate the work of the lawrence family . �*vw�*rz; ”c: r::;"r:j; lawrence family. we're here now— lawrence family. we're here today to celebrate and remember stephen lawrence's life , his stephen lawrence's life, his legacy , but also the extra legacy, but also the extra ordinary work that's taken place by his family. doreen lawrence by his family. doreen lawrence by their team to address the issues of equality , diversity issues of equality, diversity and inclusion . labour have

and inclusion. labour have condemned dominic raabs behaviour year since his resignation yesterday as appalling, saying he shouldn't be blaming his accusers for his own downfall. the former deputy nine— own downfall. the former deputy prime minister— : the former deputy prime minister resigned after an rnweerrgonon— prime minister resigned after an investigation upheld two of the burning— investigation upheld two of the bullying allegations made ogorner— bullying allegations made ogorner nin— bullying allegations made against him. mr raab claims a nrnonw— against him. mr raab claims a nrnonw or— against him. mr raab claims a minority of those— against him. mr raab claims a minority of those within whitehall— minority of those within whitehall are, quote, effectively - whitehall are, quote, effectively trying to block government. _ effectively trying to block government. shadow health wrnrerer— government. shadow health minister andrew gwynne told us rnoee— minister andrew gwynne told us rnoee w-wnoe— minister andrew gwynne told us those who've blown the whistle nowe — those who've blown the whistle nowe o— those who've blown the whistle nowe o nonr— those who've blown the whistle have a right to— those who've blown the whistle have a right to do— those who've blown the whistle have a right to do so . rwy have a right to do so. why the enme— have a right to do so. why the prime minister, who will have known about these allegations they weren't a secret , sought to they weren't a secret, sought to appoint him to the second most senior position in government as deputy prime minister. but also why he didn't sack dominic raab on receiving this report, why he allowed dominic raab to leave on his own terms and worst of all, doubung his own terms and worst of all, doubling down on the whistleblowers, on the victims . whistleblowers, on the victims. i think that that letter that dominic raab produced in his

resignation was quite frankly appalling and showed no humility and no contrition . the cbi has and no contrition. the cbi has suspended— and no contrition. the cbi has suspended on— and no contrition. the cbi has suspended all policy- atr: {ats c o" the cbi has suspended all policy and membership— suspended all policy and membership activity after allegations— membership activity after allegations of— membership activity after allegations of rape and sexual oeeown— allegations of rape and sexual assault prompted— allegations of rape and sexual assault prompted some of its erogen— assault prompted some of its orggeer nones— assault prompted some of its biggest names to quit. dozens of rnernenre— biggest names to quit. dozens of members , including john lewis, members, including john lewis, worweer— members, including john lewis, worweer .— members, including john lewis, natwest , jaguar,— members, including john lewis, natwest , jaguar, land rover and natwest, jaguar, land rover and bt ,— natwest, jaguar, land rover and or , nove— natwest, jaguar, land rover and bt , have pulled— natwest, jaguar, land rover and bt , have pulled out of the trade bt, have pulled out of the trade now— bt, have pulled out of the trade noow .— bt, have pulled out of the trade noow . rne— bt, have pulled out of the trade body . rne enr— bt, have pulled out of the trade body . the cbi says it shares the body. the cbi says it shares the snook— body. the cbi says it shares the enoon one— body. the cbi says it shares the shock and revulsion over the ouegonone— shock and revulsion over the erregonone .— shock and revulsion over the allegations . tributes have allegations. tributes have poured— allegations. tributes have poured in— allegations. tributes have poured in for— allegations. tributes have poured in for australian entertainer— poured in for australian entertainer barry humphries, who has entertainer barry humphries, who nee wee— entertainer barry humphries, who nee died or— entertainer barry humphries, who has died at the— entertainer barry humphries, who has died at the age of 89. during— has died at the age of 89. during o— has died at the age of 89. during a seven— has died at the age of 89. during a seven decade career, he beer— during a seven decade career, he beer known— during a seven decade career, he was best known for— during a seven decade career, he was best known for his alter egos— was best known for his alter eooe .— was best known for his alter egos , including— was best known for his alter egos , including dame edna egos, including dame edna rweroge— egos, including dame edna rweroge one— egos, including dame edna everage and sir— egos, including dame edna everage and sir les patterson. aeror— everage and sir les patterson. aeror roeon— everage and sir les patterson. actorjason donovan described nin— actorjason donovan described nrn oe— actorjason donovan described nrn on on— actorjason donovan described him as an entertaining genius. rne— him as an entertaining genius. the australian— him as an entertaining genius. the australian prime minister, anrnonw— the australian prime minister, anthony albanese, paid tribute to anthony albanese, paid tribute ro nrn — anthony albanese, paid tribute ro nrn oe— anthony albanese, paid tribute ro nrn on we— anthony albanese, paid tribute to him as the brightest star in a to him as the brightest star in o galaxy— to him as the brightest star in o galaxy or— to him as the brightest star in a galaxy of personas. he died in noenrror— a galaxy of personas. he died in hospital surrounded by his family— hospital surrounded by his own .— hospital surrounded by his

family . we're— hospital surrounded by his family . we're on tv online on family. we're on tv online on none — family. we're on tv online on none rewo— family. we're on tv online on dab+ radio and— family. we're on tv online on dab+ radio and on tune in to we— dab+ radio and on tune in to we re— dab+ radio and on tune in to we n on— dab+ radio and on tune in to this is gb news.— dab+ radio and on tune in to this is gb news. back now to . neil- scientists wen— scientists suggest that what neil scientists suggest that what we eneience — scientists suggest that what we epenence oc— scientists suggest that what we experience as reality might be onw— experience as reality might be oniw o— experience as reality might be only a computer— experience as reality might be only a computer simulation and inor— only a computer simulation and no war— only a computer simulation and we we we— only a computer simulation and that what we may— only a computer simulation and that what we may that we may be no inan— that what we may that we may be no more than computer generated cnorocrerc— no more than computer generated characters within— no more than computer generated characters within a _ no more than computer generated characters within a matrix . �*" characters within a matrix. if inoc— characters within a matrix. if inn were— characters within a matrix. if inn so.— characters within a matrix. if that were so, they— characters within a matrix. if that were so, they ask- characters within a matrix. if that were so, they ask how would we even know? for similar reasons, i wonder how we might awaken to the possibility we are not free citizens in a democracy, but victims of a protection racket controlled by a crime syndicate . again, how a crime syndicate. again, how would we know ? i suppose a clue would we know? i suppose a clue would we know? i suppose a clue would be if i were supposed leaders came to be associated in the minds of more and more people with behaviour that just looks criminal . well, as a for looks criminal. well, as a for instance, look at the scottish national party . members of

national party. members of a government senior officials of that government's governing party arrested and questioned by police in relation to the party's finances. what suspicion might be raised in the minds of income tax paying, council tax, paying income tax paying, council tax, paying citizens while officers dig holes in the back garden of the leader of the country apparently in search of evidence of crime . during the past three of crime. during the past three years, we saw over and over elected politicians and their officials insisting citizens must obey life altering regulations while they themselves routinely ignored them. our prime minister , in them. our prime minister, in a time of war, discouraged firms from doing business with russia while his own family continued to profit from doing exactly that. to profit from doing exactly that . our to profit from doing exactly that. our prime minister has presided over the implementation of taxes for hard working citizens. while he takes advantage of a much lower rate, made an option by his great wealth . what does that look like wealth. what does that look like to people struggling just to keep their heads above water? to imagine how people might look on at such things and say that's criminal in a protection racket

run by a crime syndicate of hapless souls have no alternative but to hand over funds to an organisation that makes plain failure to do so will result in dire consequences . income tax value added tax council tax. small business tax . inheritance tax. the only benefit on offer for handing over the cash to protection racketeers is being left unmolested until the next payment is due . victims of the payment is due. victims of the racket are kept in a perpetual state of anxiety , distracted by state of anxiety, distracted by the grim necessity of earning enough money to live and keep a family while somehow, somehow managing at the same time to have enough surplus to pay for the protection from harm . what's the protection from harm. what's that, you ask? men can be women. we all reparations for slavery. the countryside's racist . the the countryside's racist. the planet will catch fire unless i give up my gas boiler. we're going to war. with who next? give me a minute, because right now can't afford to feed my now i can't afford to feed my children. as someone only children. seen as someone only recently awake to what's going on, i look and wonderjust on, i look back and wonderjust how i've over the how much i've missed over the years. the same time, i'm

years. but at the same time, i'm sure the powers that be used to be better at pretending to have our best interests at heart. now their disdain and contempt are overwhelmingly obvious as the pnces overwhelmingly obvious as the prices of food , fuel and energy prices of food, fuel and energy keep going up. while the wholesale costs of those commodities are coming down. imagine how people might learn of such things and say that's criminal . of such things and say that's criminal. it's almost as though life is deliberately being made harder for by those with the power to make it so. at a time when life might be made easier. it turns out build back better didn't apply to you and me. instead after three dreadful years , consumers pay more and years, consumers pay more and more while the profits harvested by the providers of those commodities go up and up . by the providers of those commodities go up and up. up. is it just me, or was the pretence of compassion better once? is it just me ? or are we being invited just me? or are we being invited to know in no uncertain terms that our noses are being rubbed in the abuse of power? all manner of freedoms are being eroded. the simple freedom to jump eroded. the simple freedom to jump in a car and go where we want looks set to be made a

thing of the past. not to worry though. soon all we could desire will be within a 15 minute walk of our homes. as for those still clinging to notions of democracy, consider the world health organisation's pandemic preparedness treaty by which our country will be bound by may 2024, unless action to the contrary is taken . the who. contrary is taken. the who. has 192 member states. it sits in geneva, where its representatives pay no tax and enjoy diplomatic immunity. they are unelected and unaccountable. over 80% of who funds come not from member states but from so—called stakeholders. big pharma and the like. inaya fluence over the who is for sale to the highest bidder. the second biggest funder is the bill and melinda gates foundation , run by the existing foundation, run by the existing paperwork . the who at least pays paperwork. the who at least pays lip service to democracy. but by the terms of proposed amendment to the existing treaty, they seek fundamental change. if the

new treaty is ratified, the who will decide when to declare a world health emergency. the who will define what is misinformation . the who will misinformation. the who will have the legally binding power to enforce lockdowns and vaccinations. the who will have the power to force companies here in britain to produce and export medical products to the wider world, declared respect for human rights and dignity. will literally be erased from the treaty and replaced with vague assurance about equity. all of this will come about unless our government acts to the contrary before the treaty is made binding in may next yeah is made binding in may next year. i suppose the question is do you want you and your children living under the protection provided by a racket like the who? but let's pause for a moment to think how we might have got here. almost invariably an unchallenged crime syndicate grows more and more blatant . but at the same time, blatant. but at the same time, absence of a challenge leads to complacency . things have been

complacency. things have been going our way for a long time. they think, therefore , we might they think, therefore, we might assume things will always go our way. unbridle audacity and careless complacency can also lead to unintended consequence . lead to unintended consequence. aces. i noticed that the pain of the last three years followed events that might have been interpreted as unexpected defiance on the part of people assumed to be living meekly under the yoke . back in 2016, under the yoke. back in 2016, there was a referendum about membership of the european union . a person might say complacency . so the government of the day, assuming it had the result in the bag and so allowed the plebiscite to go ahead, let the little people think they have a say. them. instead, say. bless them. instead, a majority voted to leave that european union . that same year european union. that same year in the usa, hillary clinton had expected the keys to the white house, in fact, assumed they were hers by right. so complacent was she? she described those supporting her opponent as a basket of deplorables , as a majority of deplorables, as a majority of those deplorables chose donald trump . here in the uk,

those deplorables chose donald trump. here in the uk, in those deplorables chose donald trump . here in the uk, in the trump. here in the uk, in the aftermath of the vote to leave the eu, all manner of forces were mustered to defy the largest popular vote in the history of these islands. heaven and earth were moved to undo that which had been done. while it proved impossible to set aside vote and rejoin the aside the vote and rejoin the eu, it turned out that that technicality did not matter. brexit happened in name only. as things turned out, in every way that matters, the uk has remained in thrall to the panjandrums of the eu . in the panjandrums of the eu. in the united states, heaven and earth were moved to oust that donald trump from the white house. all the tricks the cia, the fbi, facebook and google and more were deployed to try and rid the us of that most turbulent president. i look back on those events that referendum and that us presidential election happening so close together. and nofice happening so close together. and notice how much changed in the aftermath . so much. we aftermath. so much. we experienced a sequence of events few of us might have predicted in our wildest dreams. i hardly

need to list them, but what the heck? for old times sake. a global pandemic confined to our homes for 23 hours a day. livelihoods destroyed, health and wellbeing ruined air travel bans, and internationally coordinated bid to inject every man , woman, child and infant on man, woman, child and infant on the planet with a brand new medical product that makes billions for big pharma . the billions for big pharma. the greatest transfer of wealth in history. unprecedented creation of currency and disastrous devaluation in the process. the looming prospect of the end of cash and its replacement with digital currencies controlled by privately owned, secretive and unaccountable banks. 15 minute cities or the psychopath acceleration of net zero. the prospect of digital ids of surveillance society of one world government making racism the height of fashion again as long as its anti—white racism of the return of war to the european mainland and the threat of its escalation to envelop the world and to trigger the blossoming of nuclear armageddon . an idle moments. i wonder if those world changing

developments would have arrived as and more importantly , when as and more importantly, when they did. if uk citizens had voted to stay in the eu and if their american cousins had voted to install another clinton in the white house. if we hadn't been so many flies in their ointment. what then? call me up . conspiracy theorist by all means . nowadays that's a badge means. nowadays that's a badge i wear with pride and so where are wear with pride and so where are we now? well, we have joe biden and the surreal going on goings on of his administration . the on of his administration. the man is cognitively unfit . on of his administration. the man is cognitively unfit. his family are enveloped in scandal regarding business dealings with ukraine and china. the us seems to have no functioning southern border. tens of millions of strangers flow across in an unchecked stream. cities are surrendered to crime. they know we can see. and yet even that doesn't seem to matter. citizens questioning the decay are dismissed as far right extremist and racists. here in the uk , and racists. here in the uk, protesters challenging mayor sadiq khan's ruinous ulez scheme are slandered as far right by the bbc . victims of the medical

the bbc. victims of the medical products pushed as vaccines. all those uncounted dead and the injured are ignored by all but a handful of mps. their plight is likewise dismissed by the vast majority of the mainstream media. a protection racket is about fear , the determination to about fear, the determination to make good on threats . and make good on threats. and perhaps most importantly, they acceptance on the part of the victims that they are vulnerable and alone in the face of overwhelming power. fiat currencies and fractional reserve banking are ponzi schemes by any other name and in any other context would be regarded as criminal . any other context would be regarded as criminal. i'll try setting up your own equivalent and see what happens. just because a government decrees a situation legal does not in any absolute sense make that situation lawful . all what it situation lawful. all what it comes down to in the end is whether enough of the people accept the moral authority of those presumed to govern them . i those presumed to govern them. i ask myself whether our so—called leaders have the required moral authority . arnie always. now i authority. arnie always. now i find the answer , at least for find the answer, at least for me, is no. they do not. they do not. but here's the thing. if

so—called leaders who by their own actions or by the actions of those to whom they are linked, invite the attentions of the police as if so—called leaders bully and threaten citizens into behaving one way they behaving one way while they themselves feel behave themselves feel free to behave another. if so—called leaders are the face of terrible are in the face of terrible harms and suffering. if so—called leaders grow rich via the same system that impoverishes those below them in the hierarchy, i say those are not legitimate to wield power over us, all of which begs the obvious question why are we paying obvious question why are we paying for this fraud ? why are paying for this fraud? why are we financing what we know to be iniquitous and wrong . that's my iniquitous and wrong. that's my opinion , of course. and you're opinion, of course. and you're free to disagree. keep your tweets and emails coming through the show. you can email gbviews@gbnews.uk . you can tweet gbviews@gbnews.uk. you can tweet me as well at gb news. and i'll try to get to some of your comments in the show if there's time. join me tonight,

broadcaster and commentator , a broadcaster and commentator, a friend of the show narinder kaur . lovely to see you, narinder kaur. oh, wow. neil that speech amazing.— , oh, wow. neil that speech was amazing. amazing. i don't know— was amazing. amazing. i don't know wnere— was amazing. amazing. i don't know where to— was amazing. amazing. i don't know where to start. parm sandhu is know where to start. parm sandhu ic-r-ii— know where to start. parm sandhu ic-r-ii econ.— know where to start. parm sandhu is-i'll start. i've— know where to start. parm sandhu is i'll start. i've never is where i'll start. i've never neari— is where i'll start. i've never neori inor— is where i'll start. i've never heard that word— is where i'll start. i've never heard that word in my life. it's wner— heard that word in my life. it's wnor ioec— heard that word in my life. it's wnor ioec ir— heard that word in my life. it's what does it mean? c what does it mean? so it's a word— what does it mean? so it's a word from — what does it mean? so it's a word from another culture. and i suppose context , it just suppose in that context, it just means people at the means the people that are at the top, people that wield the top, the people that wield the power or assume that they do. what think? i on what do you think? i keep on thinking almost as a thinking as he almost as a thought do thought experiment. what do you think if all, millions think about if we all, millions of us, stopped paying our taxes on the same day, cancelled our council tax? well, can i tell you— council tax? well, can i tell wow-won-r- council tax? well, can i tell you -won't work?- council tax? well, can i tell- you -won't work? because you why that won't work? because inoce— you why that won't work? because those millions— you why that won't work? because those millions of— you why that won't work? because those millions of people were the those millions of people were inc—reu- those millions of people were inc—reii ior| the same people that fell for iockiownc— the same people that fell for lockdowns accepted lockdowns lockdowns and accepted lockdowns andlyou_ lockdowns and accepted lockdowns andlyou know,— lockdowns and accepted lockdowns andiyou know, when— lockdowns and accepted lockdowns and you know, when you all and, you know, when you said all of and, you know, when you said all oi-iwcr— and, you know, when you said all or-iwcr irowgnr— and, you know, when you said all of just brought back of that, it just brought back all of that, it just brought back oiilrnoce— of that, it just brought back all those memories my all of those memories and my onxiew— all of those memories and my onxiew woe— all of those memories and my anxiety was starting to i'm eorrw— anxiety was starting to i'm eorrw-r— anxiety was starting to i'm sorry, i remembered sorry, because i remembered 23 nonre— sorry, because i remembered 23 hours-our homes- sorry, because i remembered 23 hours our homes locked hours a day in our homes locked up rice— hours a day in our homes locked up like animals— hours a day in our homes locked up like animals told we've got to up like animals told we've got ro ne— up like animals told we've got to be vaccinated.— up like animals told we've got to be vaccinated. and if you wen-enr— to be vaccinated. and if you weren't vaccinated, you're a repen— weren't vaccinated, you're a ieper. ir— weren't vaccinated, you're a reper. rr iner— weren't vaccinated, you're a leper. it just reminded me of all leper. it just reminded me of oii oi— leper. it just reminded me of oii oi inoc— leper. it just reminded me of all of that. but— leper. it just reminded me of all of that. but what i the inrereering— all of that. but what i the interesting thing about what you enci— interesting thing about what you

eoiileiowew— interesting thing about what you said, slavery reparations. said, the slavery reparations. now:— said, the slavery reparations. now if— said, the slavery reparations. wow, if in— said, the slavery reparations. now, if i'm going to learn off anybody— now, if i'm going to learn off anybody oni— now, if i'm going to learn off anybody and ii— now, if i'm going to learn off anybody and if i'm going to iieren— anybody and if i'm going to iieren ro— anybody and if i'm going to listen to anybody, maybe you wani— listen to anybody, maybe you won wnere— listen to anybody, maybe you want what's wrong with the eiowew—e - want what's wrong with the eiowew—e r-iil want what's wrong with the. slavery_? i'll tell slavery reparations? i'll tell you— slavery reparations? i'll tell you wner— slavery reparations? i'll tell you win-is- slavery reparations? i'll tell you what is wrong. you what i think is wrong. i think that the subject of racism is being used not because of those people that are raising the spectre are necessarily interested in bringing us all together as one humanity. i think it's another means by which to cause us aggression, anxiety and to divide society . i anxiety and to divide society. i don't think the people that are shouting racist actually want us to all come together as one. i think the objective is to keep us apart. do you think because i enowr— us apart. do you think because i enowr — us apart. do you think because i shout racism a— us apart. do you think because i shout racism a lot,— us apart. do you think because i shout racism a lot, i— t»; do you think because i shout racism a lot, i get occweei— shout racism a lot, i get accused of— shout racism a lot, i get accused of that and people do say,— accused of that and people do eow on— accused of that and people do eow on, wow-re— accused of that and people do say, oh, you're creating iiwieion. — say, oh, you're creating division. but- say, oh, you're creating division. but that's not my inrenrion. — division. but that's not my intention. there- division. but that's not my intention. “rt;”rt; division. but that's not my intention. . intention. there is racism. there is racism in the world 100. but i don't believe that we are an institutionally racist people . there are racists, but people. there are racists, but there are racists everywhere. but these reports are there are racists everywhere. i but-these reports are saying but all these reports are saying we are institutionally racist. inere-e— we are institutionally racist. inere-e-owr- there's a lot of our institutions- there's a lot of our institutions are

there's a lot of our- institutions-are racist institutions that are racist ogoin. — institutions that are racist ogoin. -._ institutions that are racist again. .i think- institutions that are racist again. .i think it- institutions that are racist again. c again. but i think it sets people against one another who would off uniting and would be better off uniting and confronting common enemy , confronting the common enemy, which who seek to which is those who seek to divide but i've to get divide us. but i've got to get to i've got to to a break. to i've got to get to a break. that's all right. could that's all right. we could keep going. coming we'll be going. coming up next, we'll be joined consultant joined by consultant cardiologist aseem to cardiologist aseem malhotra to talk about whether covid vaccinations safe. see you vaccinations are safe. see you in a few minutes.

listening to gb news radio. weicone— listening to gb news radio. welcome back,— listening to gb news radio. welcome back, everyone , to neil welcome back, everyone, to neil oliver live, a british doctor is among a group of international experts asking the high court in south africa for a judicial review of the products pfizer pushed as covid vaccines consultant, cardiologist aseem malhotra says the so—called vaccines are harmful and must be withdrawn before any more harm is done. if the case is successful , the products may be successful, the products may be pooled in south africa with obvious implications for countries around the world that

have used and are still using these gene therapies. assume joins me now. hello, asim . hi, joins me now. hello, asim. hi, neil. it's great to see you again. likewise. before we get into the specifics of the south african case, just bring us up to date. you've been on this journey with with the vaccine and rollout and covid from and the rollout and covid from the beginning where most the beginning where are we most recently really good question, neil. so i think in terms of the ecienriric— neil. so i think in terms of the scientific evidence— neil. so i think in terms of the scientific evidence ,_ \rrt; t so i think in terms of the scientific evidence , certainly i scientific evidence, certainly i inink— scientific evidence, certainly i inink rwo— scientific evidence, certainly i inink rwo key— scientific evidence, certainly i think two key things have noppenei— think two key things have noppeneo in— think two key things have happened in the couple of happened in the last couple of nonme— happened in the last couple of months.ithink_ happened in the last couple of months. think really draw more months. i think really draw more igni— months. i think really draw more iignrlrnie— months. i think really draw more light-this major— months. i think really draw more light this major concern on light on this major concern on eonerning— light on this major concern on something which— light on this major concern on something which i have described as something which i have described oe ine— something which i have described oe rne greoreer— something which i have described as the greatest miscarriage of neiicoi— as the greatest miscarriage of medical science— as the greatest miscarriage of medical science that we've ever wiineeeei— medical science that we've ever wirneeeeci .— medical science that we've ever witnessed . first— medical science that we've ever witnessed . first and foremost, witnessed. first and foremost, worrnon— witnessed. first and foremost, norman fenton,_ witnessed. first and foremost, norman fenton, who you may know, nroieeeor— norman fenton, who you may know, proreeeor or— norman fenton, who you may know, professor of risk,— norman fenton, who you may know, professor of risk, he— norman fenton, who you may know, professor of risk, he did his own analysis.— professor of risk, he did his own analysis. you know , he's own analysis. you know, he's very— own analysis. you know, he's wen-rocking- own analysis. you know, he's very-looking or- own analysis. you know, he's very looking at the very rigorous looking at the excess deaths— very rigorous looking at the excess deaths and trying to make some calculations— excess deaths and trying to make some calculations as to what proponion— some calculations as to what proponion oi— some calculations as to what proportion of these excess ieorne— proportion of these excess ieorne ore— proportion of these excess deaths are ongoing in britain inor— deaths are ongoing in britain we we— deaths are ongoing in britain that we know— deaths are ongoing in britain that we know about, which is eriii— that we know about, which is eriii o— that we know about, which is still a problem— that we know about, which is still a problem because of the vaccines. and _ still a problem because of the vaccines. and even i was quite enockei— vaccines. and even i was quite shocked-figure.- vaccines. and even i was quite shocked-figure. i- vaccines. and even i was quite shocked figure. i wasn't shocked by his figure. i wasn't expecring— shocked by his figure. i wasn't

expecting-that- shocked by his figure. i wasn't expecting that high, expecting it to be that high, inr— expecting it to be that high, iwr ne— expecting it to be that high, in ne coe— expecting it to be that high, but he came up— expecting it to be that high, but he came up with 50, but half of but he came up with 50, but half oi oi— but he came up with 50, but half oi oii ine— but he came up with 50, but half of all the excess— but he came up with 50, but half of all the excess deaths are likely— of all the excess deaths are likely either— of all the excess deaths are likely either directly or indirectly,— likely either directly or indirectly,-ofl likely either directly or. indirectly,-of the likely either directly or- indirectly,-of the covid indirectly, because of the covid vaccines. goodness— indirectly, because of the covid vaccines. goodness now now, vaccines. goodness me. now now, on-oi— vaccines. goodness me. now now, on-oi inor— vaccines. goodness me. now now, on-oi inoi, wen— vaccines. goodness me. now now, on of that, very interesting on top of that, very interesting ooiiicoiion— on top of that, very interesting publication america , bmc publication in america, bmc inieciiooe— publication in america, bmc infectious diseases also, which wnicn— infectious diseases also, which wnicn coe— infectious diseases also, which which came out— infectious diseases also, which which came out last couple of nonine— which came out last couple of months, slightly— which came out last couple of months, slightly different eioow— months, slightly different eioow ini— months, slightly different study, but very fascinating , was study, but very fascinating, was reoiiw— study, but very fascinating, was reoiiw o— study, but very fascinating, was reoiw o wno— study, but very fascinating, was really a kind of— study, but very fascinating, was really a kind of survey study of arnencone— really a kind of survey study of americans looking at how of the people— americans looking at how of the peopie inor— americans looking at how of the people that were— americans looking at how of the people that were vaccinated or oeopie— people that were vaccinated or peopie inor— people that were vaccinated or people that knew— people that were vaccinated or people that knew people that were vaccinated,— people that knew people that were vaccinated, how many of inoee— were vaccinated, how many of inoee ieii— were vaccinated, how many of those felt that— were vaccinated, how many of those felt that they had vaccine iniwiee — those felt that they had vaccine injuries, either— those felt that they had vaccine injuries, either themselves or irienoe— injuries, either themselves or irienoe or— injuries, either themselves or friends or family— injuries, either themselves or friends or family or died iecee— friends or family or died because of— friends or family or died because of the vaccine and they oiie— because of the vaccine and they oiie io — because of the vaccine and they were able to come— because of the vaccine and they were able to come up with a iiowe— were able to come up with a figure suggesting that there may nove— figure suggesting that there may nowe ne— figure suggesting that there may nowe ie oe— figure suggesting that there may have be as many— figure suggesting that there may have be as many as in 2021 iooe— have be as many as in 2021 alone, 278,000— have be as many as in 2021 alone, 278,000 fatalities, poreiw— alone, 278,000 fatalities, purely because of the covid vaccines. and _ purely because of the covid vaccines. and of— purely because of the covid vaccines. and of course, in anerico,— vaccines. and of course, in anerico, inew— vaccines. and of course, in america, they mainly used wooerno— america, they mainly used moderna and— america, they mainly used moderna and pfizer. so mrna vaccines , which— moderna and pfizer. so mrna vaccines , which is pretty vaccines, which is pretty extraordinary,- vaccines, which is pretty extraordinary, that gives a iiowe— extraordinary, that gives a figure about— extraordinary, that gives a figure about 1— extraordinary, that gives a figure about1 in extraordinary, that gives a figure about 1 in 1000 extraordinary, that gives a figure about1 in 1000 in extraordinary, that gives a figure about 1 in 1000 in terms of figure about 1 in 1000 in terms oi oeoin— figure about 1 in 1000 in terms oi oeoin roie— figure about 1 in 1000 in terms of death rate and— figure about 1 in 1000 in terms of death rate and serious oeee— of death rate and serious adverse events, about a million reorie— adverse events, about a million reorie-wooio— adverse events, about a million people, would give people, which would give a iiowe— people, which would give a

iiowe oi— people, which would give a iiowre oi i— people, which would give a figure of 1 in— people, which would give a figure of 1 in 300. now, critics wooio— figure of 1 in 300. now, critics wooio eow— figure of 1 in 300. now, critics would say, well,— figure of 1 in 300. now, critics would say, well, this isn't a randomised— would say, well, this isn't a randomised study, blah blah, iron—inoil blah, we can talk about that ioier— blah, we can talk about that ioierlinoi— blah, we can talk about that later-that all— blah, we can talk about that later that all the other later or that all the other evidence — later or that all the other evidence. but— later or that all the other evidence. but what i would say is, evidence. but what i would say ie—in— evidence. but what i would say is,-in medicine- evidence. but what i would say is,-in medicine we. evidence. but what i would say. is,-in medicine we are is, you know, in medicine we are ioooni— is, you know, in medicine we are ioooni-oociore- is, you know, in medicine we are taught-doctors that- is, you know, in medicine we are taught doctors that 80% taught that as doctors that 80% of taught that as doctors that 80% oi-oioonoeie— taught that as doctors that 80% of-diagnosis is— taught that as doctors that 80% of diagnosis is comes from of your diagnosis is comes from the of your diagnosis is comes from one nieiorw — of your diagnosis is comes from the history-means- of your diagnosis is comes from the history. means what the the history. that means what the poem— the history. that means what the poiieni-woo. — the history. that means what the poiieni-woo. ri— the history. that means what the patient-you. if you- the history. that means what the patient you. if you listen patient tells you. if you listen to patient tells you. if you listen io wow— patient tells you. if you listen io your poiieni— patient tells you. if you listen to your patient most of the rime,— to your patient most of the iirne, woo— to your patient most of the time, you will— to your patient most of the time, you will get the answer of wnoi-e— time, you will get the answer of woe wrong— time, you will get the answer of what's wrong with— time, you will get the answer of what's wrong with so what's wrong with them. so i wooio— what's wrong with them. so i wooio eow— what's wrong with them. so i would say this— what's wrong with them. so i would say this is— what's wrong with them. so i would say this is almost an onoioow— would say this is almost an analogy io— would say this is almost an analogy to that— would say this is almost an analogy to that kind of process. but analogy to that kind of process. nor-wow— analogy to that kind of process. nor-wow ,— analogy to that kind of process. but-wayr new,- but either way, neil, it's a big,— but either way, neil, it's a bigr big— but either way, neil, it's a bigr big eee— but either way, neil, it's a big, big issue. - but either way, neil, it's a big, big issue . big, big issue. tell us, what is this happening in south africa? and suppose particularly why and i suppose particularly why it matters to us here and to people all over the world. yeah. so this is a landmark people all over the world. - yeah. so this is a landmark case incogni— yeah. so this is a landmark case irowoni by— yeah. so this is a landmark case irowoni by by— yeah. so this is a landmark case irowoni by by o— yeah. so this is a landmark case brought by by a grassroots organisation— brought by by a grassroots organisation called freedom aiiionce— organisation called freedom aiiionce oi— organisation called freedom alliance of south africa, which is alliance of south africa, which ie nooe — alliance of south africa, which ie nooe oo— alliance of south africa, which ie nooe no oi— alliance of south africa, which is made up of doctors, teachers , ociiwieie— is made up of doctors, teachers , activists, even— is made up of doctors, teachers , activists, even lawyers, eiceiero— , activists, even lawyers, eiceiero .— , activists, even lawyers, etcetera . and- , activists, even lawyers, etcetera . and they have filed etcetera. and they have filed inie— etcetera. and they have filed inie cee— etcetera. and they have filed this case against— etcetera. and they have filed this case against the government of this case against the government oi sooin— this case against the government of south africa— this case against the government of south africa and— this case against the government of south africa and the medical reooioior— of south africa and the medical regulator specific— of south africa and the medical regulator specific basically eowino— regulator specific basically eowino inor— regulator specific basically saying that the original opprowoi— saying that the original opprowoi oi— saying that the original approval of these covid, specifically _ approval of these covid, specifically this pfizer vaccine

, inor— specifically this pfizer vaccine , inoi woe— specifically this pfizer vaccine , that was what— specifically this pfizer vaccine , that was what was used predominantly- , that was what was used predominantly in south africa, was irrational.— predominantly in south africa, was irrational. irrational iecee— was irrational. irrational because as i— was irrational. irrational because as i mean, it sounds oiwiooe— because as i mean, it sounds oiwiooe no— because as i mean, it sounds obvious now that— because as i mean, it sounds obvious now that the data all came from pfizer— obvious now that the data all came from pfizer . it was came from pfizer. it was onoiweeo— came from pfizer. it was onoweeo by— came from pfizer. it was analysed by pfizer. the results oone by— analysed by pfizer. the results were done by pfizer, and inereiore,— were done by pfizer, and therefore, it— were done by pfizer, and therefore, it was unlawful. but a therefore, it was unlawful. but o numeri— therefore, it was unlawful. but o norneri oi— therefore, it was unlawful. but a number of international ecieniieie— a number of international scientists, including many in of renoie— scientists, including many in of repoie in— scientists, including many in of repute in south— scientists, including many in of repute in south africa themselves,- repute in south africa themselves, have determined, wiin— themselves, have determined, win on— themselves, have determined, win or ine— themselves, have determined, with all the information that we nove— with all the information that we nowe in— with all the information that we nowe in o— with all the information that we nowe in o roo— with all the information that we have in a 700 page document, inor— have in a 700 page document, inoi inor— have in a 700 page document, no no ine— have in a 700 page document, that that the vaccine is clearly neoie — that that the vaccine is clearly neoie ono — that that the vaccine is clearly unsafe and ineffective. and of course , yes, and— unsafe and ineffective. and of course , yes, and this is based course, yes, and this is based on ice— course, yes, and this is based on ieei ine— course, yes, and this is based on feel the need— course, yes, and this is based on feel the need to stress it's riizer-e— on feel the need to stress it's riizer-e on— on feel the need to stress it's pfizer's own data. so pfizer swe— pfizer's own data. so pfizer sa-e wn— pfizer's own data. so pfizer sa's own data made clear even before the vaccine was rolled out to the general public that it wasn't safe. yeah so there in that paperwork, it's a great question, neil. so it's definitely— question, neil. so it's definitely part- question, neil. so it's definitely part of- : .c, \r rt; t so it's definitely part of the question, neil. so it's- definitely part of the evidence inor— definitely part of the evidence inoi winge— definitely part of the evidence that brings us— definitely part of the evidence that brings us on— definitely part of the evidence that brings us on to something eree,— that brings us on to something eiee, wnicn— that brings us on to something else, which is— that brings us on to something else, which is really important. so else, which is really important. so i— else, which is really important. so i inink— else, which is really important. so i think one— else, which is really important. so i think one of— else, which is really important. so i think one of the things more— so i think one of the things that's important— so i think one of the things that's important this that's important about this coon— that's important about this coon-wiri- that's important about this court will happen court case that will happen very,— court case that will happen very-eoon— court case that will happen very-econ ie— court case that will happen very, soon is that it very, very soon is that it oiiowe— very, very soon is that it allows people- very, very soon is that it allows people and will be for allows people and it will be for ionic— allows people and it will be for public consumption to look at all public consumption to look at online— public consumption to look at all-the evidence- public consumption to look at all the evidence as you know,

all of the evidence as you know, oi— all of the evidence as you know, oi ine— all of the evidence as you know, one of the problems that we've noo— one of the problems that we've noo-wnoie— one of the problems that we've had whole pandemic is had in this whole pandemic is the had in this whole pandemic is one—ieen- the narrative has been very ri-e— the narrative has been very narrow. it's-very- the narrative has been very narrow. it's very much narrow. it's been very much coniroiieo— narrow. it's been very much controlled by— narrow. it's been very much controlled by these powerful weeieo— controlled by these powerful vested interests. _ controlled by these powerful vested interests. the media have been— vested interests. the media have ieen—neeeooe- vested interests. the media have been—message of. been pushing this message of eoie— been pushing this message of eoie oni— been pushing this message of safe and effective. and what it wiri— safe and effective. and what it wiii oo— safe and effective. and what it wiii oo ie— safe and effective. and what it wiii oo ie ii— safe and effective. and what it will do is it will— safe and effective. and what it will do is it will cut through all will do is it will cut through oii-eo— will do is it will cut through oii-eo people- will do is it will cut through all so people can see all of that so people can see all of that so people can see oii—ano- all of that so people can see oii—ano r- all of that so people can see all—and i know all the evidence. and i know very— all the evidence. and i know wen-inor— all the evidence. and i know wen-inoi ine- all the evidence. and i know very that the evidence very clearly that the evidence is very clearly that the evidence ie exireneiw— very clearly that the evidence is extremely concerning in terms of is extremely concerning in terms oi ine— is extremely concerning in terms oi ine norme— is extremely concerning in terms of the harms .the_ is extremely concerning in terms of the harms the safety of of the harms and the safety of the of the harms and the safety of one — of the harms and the safety of ineoccie — of the harms and the safety of the vaccine. may— of the harms and the safety of the vaccine. may i- of the harms and the safety of the vaccine. hq the vaccine. may i ask a question as a medic before your father passed away? so sorry to hear well. that was your hear that as well. that was your turning point. but if that hadnt turning point. but if that hadn't happened, you would have still for the still been all for the vaccination means so took your father's death to make you kind of open your eyes. it's a great it's great it's a great it's a great it's a great question. narinder kaur so i inink— question. narinder kaur so i own ine— question. narinder kaur so i think the historical- : narinder kaur so i think the historical all my nieioricoi— think the historical all my historical approach to medicine wooio— historical approach to medicine would contradict— historical approach to medicine would contradict that in the inor— would contradict that in the sense that my— would contradict that in the sense that my father's death was pari— sense that my father's death was non oi— sense that my father's death was non oi i,— sense that my father's death was con oi i, nonre— sense that my father's death was part of it, right? but actually, the evidence— part of it, right? but actually, the evidence came to me where i reoiieeo— the evidence came to me where i reoiieeo oni— the evidence came to me where i realised and then— the evidence came to me where i realised and then it— the evidence came to me where i realised and then it was ciinicoi— realised and then it was clinical experience and ewewinino— clinical experience and everything and looking at everything that and looking at the everything that and looking at one—r- everything that and looking at one—r ihinkl the evidence itself. so i think inor— the evidence itself. so i think that-definitely- the evidence itself. so i think that definitely part it. that was definitely part of it. nor— that was definitely part of it. nor-know,— that was definitely part of it. but-know,-been- that was definitely part of it. but know, been i've but you know, i've been i've been—

but you know, i've been i've been whistleblower . on the been the whistleblower. on the norme— been the whistleblower. on the norneleooor— been the whistleblower. on the harms sugar statins over harms of sugar on statins over preecripiion— harms of sugar on statins over preecripiion-r-we- harms of sugar on statins over prescription i've been prescription stuff, so i've been doing— prescription stuff, so i've been ooino-ior— prescription stuff, so i've been ooino-ior o— prescription stuff, so i've been doing-for a long- prescription stuff, so i've been doing for a long time, but doing this for a long time, but iner— doing this for a long time, but ieei—io- doing this for a long time, but ieei—io inie- doing this for a long time, buti just—to this point, just coming back to this point, weir,— just coming back to this point, weiilreoiiw— just coming back to this point, neil, really important neil, it's really important ooo— neil, it's really important around looking at all the evidence— around looking at all the. evidence._things evidence. one of the things more— evidence. one of the things inoi-e-cone- evidence. one of the things that's-come out,i evidence. one of the things that's come out, i that's going to come out, i inink— that's going to come out, i ihinklihis_ that's going to come out, i think-this case- that's going to come out, i think this case is how the think in this case is how the neon— think in this case is how the neoio nove— think in this case is how the media have presented one side of the media have presented one side of one eiorw— media have presented one side of the story-already— media have presented one side of the story. already what's the story. now already we what's reoiiw— really interesting in south wince— really interesting in south airico, r— really interesting in south africa, i would— really interesting in south africa, i would say that the empire— africa, i would say that the empire ie— africa, i would say that the empire is starting strike empire is starting to strike pom.— empire is starting to strike back-_one| empire is starting to strike. pom—one oi back. so yesterday on one of men— back. so yesterday on one of- ineir—ewcw their mainstream channels, enca wiinooi— their mainstream channels, enca wiinooi-peopie— their mainstream channels, enca without-people on- their mainstream channels, enca without people on the side without any people on the side of without any people on the side oi giving— without any people on the side oi giving poin— without any people on the side of giving both sides of the orpwmeni,— of giving both sides of the argument, they rolled out a proieeeor— argument, they rolled out a proieeeor oi— argument, they rolled out a professor of constitutional law, pierre— professor of constitutional law, iierre oe — professor of constitutional law, pierre de vos,_ professor of constitutional law, pierre de vos, from the wniwereiw— pierre de vos, from the university of - pierre de vos, from the university of cape town , who university of cape town, who opporeniw— university of cape town, who opporeniw eoio— university of cape town, who apparently said that he had read all apparently said that he had read oii roo— apparently said that he had read or me popee— apparently said that he had read oii ioo popee oi— apparently said that he had read all 700 pages of this document one— all 700 pages of this document one mew— all 700 pages of this document and they asked— all 700 pages of this document and they asked him, what did you inim— and they asked him, what did you inink oi— and they asked him, what did you inink oi iii— and they asked him, what did you think of it? and— and they asked him, what did you think of it? and he— and they asked him, what did you think of it? and he said, well, ioeicoiiw— think of it? and he said, well, ioeicoiiw ii— think of it? and he said, well, basically it was— think of it? and he said, well, basically it was always making a mockery— basically it was always making a mockery oi— basically it was always making a mockery oi ine— basically it was always making a mockery of the case by entering— mockery of the case by suggesting that the evidence was ioeeo— suggesting that the evidence was ioeeo upon— suggesting that the evidence was based upon anecdotes. say someone had— based upon anecdotes. say someone had the vaccine and they felt someone had the vaccine and they ieiiliii— someone had the vaccine and they ieiiliii dizzy— someone had the vaccine and they felt bit dizzy afterwards. and felt a bit dizzy afterwards. and so felt a bit dizzy afterwards. and eo-ne— felt a bit dizzy afterwards. and eo-ne r— felt a bit dizzy afterwards. and so-when i saw- felt a bit dizzy afterwards. and so when i saw that, so when i when i saw that, i incogni— so when i when i saw that, i inoooni r— so when i when i saw that, i thought i actually thought i was actually embarrassed . i thought i was actually- embarrassed . i-embarrassed embarrassed. i was embarrassed for—embarrassed- embarrassed. i was embarrassed for embarrassed for for him. i was embarrassed for ine— for him. i was embarrassed for the university— for him. i was embarrassed for the university of— for him. i was embarrassed for the university of cape town. and i the university of cape town. and i woe— the university of cape town. and i was embarrassed— the university of cape town. and i was embarrassed for

constitutional lawyers because cieoriw— constitutional lawyers because cieoriwlnoen-i— constitutional lawyers because clearly hasn't read clearly he hasn't read the evidence— clearly he hasn't read the evidence .— clearly he hasn't read the evidence .-to- clearly he hasn't read the evidence . to suggest evidence. and to suggest eomeinino— evidence. and to suggest something really evidence. and to suggest- something-really makes something like that really makes a something like that really makes o mockery— something like that really makes o mockew oi— something like that really makes a mockery of the— something like that really makes a mockery of the vaccine. int-wei— a mockery of the vaccine. intwreo-wew- a mockery of the vaccine. injured very quickly on injured now very quickly on one— injured now very quickly on inie pen,— injured now very quickly on this, neil, what's really impononi— this, neil, what's really important asked me this, neil, what's really- important-asked me the important so you asked me the ooeeiion— important so you asked me the ooeeiion-wnen- important so you asked me the question when you look question early on. when you look at question early on. when you look oi-woo— question early on. when you look oi-woo kook— question early on. when you look oi-woo iook oi- question early on. when you look at-you look at the- at the when you look at the evieonce — at the when you look at the evidence. yes.— at the when you look at the evidence. yes. we not evidence. yes. we are not ioikino— evidence. yes. we are not talking about— evidence. yes. we are not talking about anecdotes or talking about anecdotes here or low talking about anecdotes here or row—were- low quality evidence. we're ioikino—ownl low quality evidence. we're- talking_own data. talking about pfizer's own data. keonoiveie— talking about pfizer's own data. reanalysis-call- talking about pfizer's own data. reanalysis call double reanalysis what we call double innoce— blinded, randomised controlled irioi—oooiiiv- blinded, randomised controlled trial suggestedjuality blinded, randomised controlled trial suggested fromi blinded, randomised controlled trial suggested from the evidence suggested from the beginning— evidence suggested from the beginning ii— evidence suggested from the beginning it was going to do more—good,- beginning it was going to do more good, more more harm than good, more eeriooe—iorl serious adverse events for peopie— serious adverse events for peopie in— serious adverse events for peopie in ine— serious adverse events for people in the vaccine group than peopie— people in the vaccine group than people hospitalised covid. people hospitalised with covid. so people hospitalised with covid. so—eoooeeiinl people hospitalised with covid.| so—eoooeeiin 9 so .that was already suggesting it it so .that was already suggesting ii—ii woe— so .that was already suggesting it_it was analysed. it probably, if it was analysed property— it probably, if it was analysed properly beginning, properly at the beginning, enooio— properly at the beginning,- should _enrolled should never have been enrolled or—einoie— should never have been enrolled or_single human- should never have been enrolled or_single human in. or given to a single human in ine— or given to a single human in one-proce— or given to a single human in the place. pharmaco the first place. pharmaco vioiionce— the first place. pharmaco vigilance data- the first place. pharmaco vigilance data values the vigilance data values in the wniieo— vigilance data values in the united states. _ vigilance data values in the united states. yellow card united states. the yellow card ecene— united states. the yellow card scheme - horrific, - scheme here, very horrific, unprecedented _ scheme here, very horrific, unprecedented levels of reports. ineir— unprecedented levels of reports. their clinical— unprecedented levels of reports. their clinical data,— their clinical data, observational data , autopsy observational data, autopsy ino— observational data, autopsy ooio. in— observational data, autopsy ooio. in my— observational data, autopsy data. in my whole career in medicine,— data. in my whole career in medicine, neil,— data. in my whole career in medicine, neil, with all the onoiveie— medicine, neil, with all the analysis, academic work i've oone,— analysis, academic work i've done; iookino— analysis, academic work i've done, looking at— analysis, academic work i've done, looking at all different oi— done, looking at all different areas of medicine specifically, oieo— areas of medicine specifically, oieo reioiino— areas of medicine specifically, also relating to— areas of medicine specifically, also relating to cardiovascular cieeoee— also relating to cardiovascular oieeoee, r-ve— also relating to cardiovascular disease, i've never seen such a high— disease, i've never seen such a high over— disease, i've never seen such a high over whelming quality of evidence— high over whelming quality of evidence oi— high over whelming quality of evidence of harm, of any drug in

eoci— evidence of harm, of any drug in eocn poor— evidence of harm, of any drug in such poor efficacy— evidence of harm, of any drug in such poor efficacy .— evidence of harm, of any drug in such poor efficacy . now with all such poor efficacy. now with all of such poor efficacy. now with all oi inor— such poor efficacy. now with all oi inoi ,— such poor efficacy. now with all oi inoi , io— such poor efficacy. now with all oi inoi , io ie— such poor efficacy. now with all of that , to be fair— such poor efficacy. now with all of that , to be fair to, you of that, to be fair to, you know,— of that, to be fair to, you know, professor- of that, to be fair to, you know, professor voss , i think we know, professor voss, i think we oieo— know, professor voss, i think we oieo nove— know, professor voss, i think we oieo nove io— know, professor voss, i think we also have to have— know, professor voss, i think we also have to have some copeon— also have to have some compassion for people understanding that. why are peopie— understanding that. why are peopie noi— understanding that. why are people not awake? why are people not people not awake? why are people nor-oi— people not awake? why are people not-at-evidence?- people not awake? why are people not at evidence? and not looking at the evidence? and eomelii— not looking at the evidence? and eomelii ie— not looking at the evidence? and some it is indoctrination, some of it is indoctrination, eomelii— some of it is indoctrination, eomelii ie— some of it is indoctrination, some-it is wilful- some of it is indoctrination, some it is wilful blindness. some of it is wilful blindness. noi— some of it is wilful blindness.- nor—wnicn but there's something else which i but there's something else which r-noven-i— but there's something else which i-haven't talked- but there's something else which i haven't talked about i think we haven't talked about enooon— i think we haven't talked about enooon-one— i think we haven't talked about enough one serious enough kyiv one of the serious oveee— enough kyiv one of the serious adverse effects— enough kyiv one of the serious adverse effects from the vaccine irom— adverse effects from the vaccine irom riizer-e— adverse effects from the vaccine from pfizer's own— adverse effects from the vaccine from pfizer's own trial , neil in from pfizer's own trial, neil in men— from pfizer's own trial, neil in ineir on— from pfizer's own trial, neil in their own trial— from pfizer's own trial, neil in their own trial and the re onoiveie— their own trial and the re analysis and— their own trial and the re analysis and in- their own trial and the re analysis and in the world health oroonieoiion— analysis and in the world health organisation endorsed list of poieniioi— organisation endorsed list of potential serious adverse eiiecie— potential serious adverse eiiecie ie— potential serious adverse effects is psychosis . so some effects is psychosis. so some peopie— effects is psychosis. so some peopie r— effects is psychosis. so some peopie r inink— effects is psychosis. so some people i think are actually eoiierino— people i think are actually suffering from _ people i think are actually suffering from a side effect wnicn— suffering from a side effect wnicn r— suffering from a side effect which i would— suffering from a side effect which i would call delusion of ieneiii. — which i would call delusion of ieneiii. okay— which i would call delusion of benefit. okay, let's define oeioeion— benefit. okay, let's define oeioeion k— benefit. okay, let's define delusion a for— benefit. okay, let's define delusion a for term false belief inor— delusion a for term false belief inoi ie— delusion a for term false belief inoi ie neie— delusion a for term false belief that is held despite evidence to the that is held despite evidence to one conirorv. — that is held despite evidence to the contrary. and— that is held despite evidence to the contrary. and the evidence, pen,— the contrary. and the evidence, pen, ie— the contrary. and the evidence, neil, is overwhelming. this ie— neil, is overwhelming. this vaccine is not— neil, is overwhelming. this vaccine is not safe and is not eiieciive— vaccine is not safe and is not eiieciive oni— vaccine is not safe and is not effective and it— vaccine is not safe and is not effective and it needs to be eioppeo— effective and it needs to be eioppeo oni— effective and it needs to be stopped and pulled now. and the ionoer— stopped and pulled now. and the ionoer ine— stopped and pulled now. and the longer the establishment and cow— longer the establishment and cow on— longer the establishment and cow on poenino— longer the establishment and carry on pushing this message, the carry on pushing this message, me ionoer— carry on pushing this message, me ionper ii-e—

carry on pushing this message, the longer it's going to take to reooin— the longer it's going to take to reooin inner,— the longer it's going to take to regain trust, we're— the longer it's going to take to regain trust, we're going to nove— regain trust, we're going to nove io— regain trust, we're going to have to leave— regain trust, we're going to have to leave that there. oiviooeiv.— have to leave that there. obviously, this _ have to leave that there. obviously, this is- have to leave that there. obviously, this is such- have to leave that there. obviously, this is such a long conversation to keep going on with, but going to have to with, but i'm going to have to leave there. i see. malhotra, leave it there. i see. malhotra, thank so much for coming thank you so much for coming in tonight, we'll coming tonight, and we'll be coming back in the future, i'm back to you in the future, i'm sure. coming neil oliver sure. coming next on neil oliver live, be talking more about live, i'll be talking more about this naidu, an this issue with jay naidu, an elder statesman of south african politics, who was of nelson politics, who was one of nelson mandela's trusted mandela's most trusted supporters go supporters and advisors don't go away. will be staying away. and azeem will be staying with for that conversation with us for that conversation with

conversation. join me monday to inoreoov— conversation. join me monday to inoreoov oi— conversation. join me monday to inoreoov oi 8— conversation. join me monday to thursday at 8 p.m._ conversation. join me monday to thursday at 8 pm. on gb news iriioin— thursday at 8 pm. on gb news iriioin .— thursday at 8 pm. on gb news britain . welcome— thursday at 8 pm. on gb news britain . welcome back , everyone, britain. welcome back, everyone, to britain. welcome back, everyone, io wei— britain. welcome back, everyone, io weii oriver— britain. welcome back, everyone, to neil oliver live— britain. welcome back, everyone, to neil oliver live _ britain. welcome back, everyone, to neil oliver live t“ “g to neil oliver live joining me tonight is a south african politician trade union leader and businessman who was instrumental in the fight against the apartheid regime and the ultimately successful campaign to secure the release of nelson mandela . more of nelson mandela. more recently, jay naidu has spoken out against the silencing censorship and bullying that went hand in hand with the

response to covid 19. in fact , response to covid 19. in fact, he has said the tactics applied against populations were a greater threat to freedom than the apartheid. he dedicated all those years to fighting . jay those years to fighting. jay naidu joins me now. good evening, jay, are you there? great there you are . yes. yeah. great there you are. yes. yeah. good great there you are. yes. yeah. cooo evening— great there you are. yes. yeah. good evening to— great there you are. yes. yeah. good evening to you- great there you are. yes. yeah. good evening to you ,- citrtit “rt;”rt; ?i”rt; yes. yeah. good evening to you , neil. and good evening to you, neil. and it's good evening to you, neil. and ii-e oreoi— good evening to you, neil. and ii-e oreoi io— good evening to you, neil. and we oreoi io ie— good evening to you, neil. and it's great to be with you and wow— it's great to be with you and wow enow. — it's great to be with you and your show. great- it's great to be with you and your show. [wife it's great to be with you and your show. ctrtutit your show. great to see you. tell me, first of all, g when and why you decided to speak out against all that was being done in the name of covid? well, i think we are all— in the name of covid? well, i think we are all stunned- t“ co “j? well, i think we are all stunned by the response because— think we are all stunned by the response because ,_ think we are all stunned by the response because , you know, response because, you know, coronavirus is— response because, you know, coronavirus is not- response because, you know, coronavirus is not a new virus. we-ve— coronavirus is not a new virus. we-ve noo— coronavirus is not a new virus. we-ve ioo nonv— coronavirus is not a new virus. we've had many types- coronavirus is not a new virus. we've had many types of- we've had many types of coronaviruses in the past, but i think the most important recent event was in june of 2021. my wife , who is canadian, wife, who is canadian, a journalist by profession, her mum had the pfizer vaccine and in the first shot she had a heart attack and the second shot she ended up in in hospital, not

able to walk, to eat, she ended up in in hospital, not able to walk, to eat , to bath able to walk, to eat, to bath herself or take care of herself. and she was a very active person. so my wife, who lives in south africa with me, had to take seven months off to go and take seven months off to go and take care of her mother, who was going to be put in a state run aukus ipsis. and she nursed her back to health. but the extraordinary thing was , is in extraordinary thing was, is in the consultation with the doctor who was treating her the doctor said that the probable cause of her heart attack was the vaccine gene, but he was too scared to put that on the report. and the question we had if a doctor can lose his licence because he's telling the truth, what what has medicine become ? and so as we medicine become? and so as we study the events that followed that what we saw in the pandemic

response from our leaders was a campaign of fear of censorship , campaign of fear of censorship, of guilt, of shame with doctors losing their licence for talking about the hippocratic oath, of not doing any harm to their patients, of putting their patients, of putting their patients first. we saw workers being dismissed in south africa because they refused to be vaccinated . and we saw a social vaccinated. and we saw a social media for censoring journals and anyone that could contradicted the official narrative . kyiv and the official narrative. kyiv and you know, i have been a victim of apartheid, so institutionalised racism which we forever ended in 1994 with the election of president nelson mandela. so at four years old, i was evicted from my home because i was a wrong colour on the wrong side of the street. so i became a freedom fighter . and became a freedom fighter. and i've been an activist all my

life. and what i'm seeing here is something on a grander scale . all then even what we faced under apartheid , you know that under apartheid, you know that in a sense our governments, many of them have been bought out. the media, the official mainstream media are too terrified and become a mouthpiece of big pharma . so we mouthpiece of big pharma. so we find the medical regulators being compromised largely because of funding that comes from big pharma . and we're from big pharma. and we're having tremendous vaccine injuries all around us. every family, i'm sure , will talk family, i'm sure, will talk about some incident . and so what about some incident. and so what we then have is a vaccine that does not give you immunity, does not stop transmission, and where there's data right . rising, there's data right. rising, mounting in our families, in our societies . and we are saying we societies. and we are saying we are not to prepared pause and allow an independent study of the data and so this is what

makes me fearful because i'm an elder now, i'm a grandfather, and i want to know that when i get up in the morning, i'm leaving a better world for my grandchildren and for those that are unborn. so i think the bottom line is that the litany of challenges you you presented these are perilous challenges and the freedoms that we have sacrificed so much for across many generations . the democracy, many generations. the democracy, the freedom of speech, the freedom of association, the freedom of association, the freedom to stand up and organise ourselves , all of these are ourselves, all of these are being undermined . and so, yes, being undermined. and so, yes, i am convinced that what we are facing today is a challenge of an apartheid on a grand scale globally . and i think we should globally. and i think we should take note of what people like asim are saying and what other prestigious positions , people prestigious positions, people that have spent their lives at

stanford university or like dr. jay bhattacharya or professor martin kulldorff. these are not street vendors . these are street vendors. these are eminent physicians who are saying and calling on the medical profession and the w.h.o. to medical profession and the who. to pause us. so we have w.h.o. to pause us. so we have no emergency . now, can we look no emergency. now, can we look at the data and can we put the people that have been negatively affected through vaccine injuries in the spotlight and show some compassion to them, which has been the core of what we fought for in freedom in south africa? g g you what you see south africa? g g you what you ie— south africa? g g you what you ie eo ie— south africa? g g you what you ' 137 g g you what you see is so is so compelling. how do we— see is so is so compelling. how do we recioim — see is so is so compelling. how do we reclaim them? what we have lost do we reclaim them? what we have ioei 0.— do we reclaim them? what we have ioei o. voo— do we reclaim them? what we have ioei or, vow know,— do we reclaim them? what we have lost or, you know, you've got a iiieiime— lost or, you know, you've got a iiieiime oi— lost or, you know, you've got a lifetime of exposure. audience you know,— lifetime of exposure. audience you know, you've— lifetime of exposure. audience you know, you've written a most receniiv— you know, you've written a most receniiv oiooi— you know, you've written a most recently about watching communities- recently about watching communities torn apart by the by the restrictions— communities torn apart by the by the restrictions that were put in proce— the restrictions that were put in pioce in— the restrictions that were put in place in regards to covid 19. in place in regards to covid19. now— in place in regards to covid19. now oo— in place in regards to covid19. now do we— in place in regards to covid19. now do we gei— in place in regards to covid19. how do we get beyond this and

recioim— how do we get beyond this and recioim wnoi— how do we get beyond this and reclaim what we've lost ? what we reclaim what we've lost? what we need — reclaim what we've lost? what we need io — reclaim what we've lost? what we need to restore— reclaim what we've lost? what we need to restore a— reclaim what we've lost? what we need to restore a conversation one — need to restore a conversation one weir— need to restore a conversation one weii we— need to restore a conversation on? neil we need- need to restore a conversation on? neil we need to- need to restore a conversation on? \rrt; t �*fvirt; : need to restore a conversation on? mi; t on? neil we need to not talk past each other and understand that there's no absolute science . there are many sciences in the room. there are indigenous sciences, there are many sciences, there are many sciences that have been evolved that have treated thousands of patients. i wrote an op ed on a doctor who used who had 14,000 patients. his name is dr. shankara chetty. he works in a rural area, 14,000 patients. no hospitalisation, no no oxygen, no no deaths at and no vaccine . no no deaths at and no vaccine. now why are we ignoring him now? he's one of the doctors is facing discipline action for

saving lives. they want to take away his medical licence on this on this shoot g i've had shankara chetty on here. you know i've spoken to trtr“ you know i've spoken to shankara at at know i've spoken to shankara at oi ienoin— know i've spoken to shankara at oi ienoin oni— know i've spoken to shankara at at length and us— know i've spoken to shankara at at length and us been similarly overwneimeo— at length and us been similarly overwhelmed by— at length and us been similarly overwhelmed by the by the creoiiiiiiv— overwhelmed by the by the credibility and— overwhelmed by the by the credibility and the weight of wnoi— credibility and the weight of wnoi ne— credibility and the weight of wnoi ne noo— credibility and the weight of what he had to— credibility and the weight of what he had to and the weight of wnoi— what he had to and the weight of wnoi ne— what he had to and the weight of wnoi ne noo— what he had to and the weight of what he had to— what he had to and the weight of what he had to say.— what he had to and the weight of what he had to say. bear with me wniie— what he had to say. bear with me wniie r— what he had to say. bear with me wniie r oieo— what he had to say. bear with me while i also have— what he had to say. bear with me while i also have got a team neie— while i also have got a team nere wiin— while i also have got a team here with me— while i also have got a team here with me and— while i also have got a team here with me and also narinder kow— here with me and also narinder koor neie— here with me and also narinder koor ice in— here with me and also narinder kaur here in the— here with me and also narinder kaur here in the studio. azeem, now— kaur here in the studio. azeem, now oo— kaur here in the studio. azeem, now do voo— kaur here in the studio. azeem, how do you respond? how do you ieei— how do you respond? how do you ieei iieienino— how do you respond? how do you feel listening to— how do you respond? how do you feel listening to a— how do you respond? how do you feel listening to a figure like jay woiooo— feel listening to a figure like jay naidoo saying what he just eoio— jay naidoo saying what he just eoio e — jay naidoo saying what he just eoio e weir.— jay naidoo saying what he just said ? well, jay— jay naidoo saying what he just said ? evittt t jay naidoo saying what he just said ? t n.trt“ said? well, jay carries so much experience and wisdom. i mean, what he says is very powerful. i think anyone, any rational person sitting and listening to jay , | person sitting and listening to jay , i think is going to be jay, i think is going to be moved by that and is going to think back, hopefully start thinking i think thinking critically. i think he's absolutely right. have thinking critically. i think he face solutely right. have thinking critically. i think heface the itely right. have thinking critically. i think heface the facts'ight. have thinking critically. i think heface the facts head have thinking critically. i think heface the facts head on. have thinking critically. i think heface the facts head on. wes to face the facts head on. we have instead of polarisation, have to instead of polarisation, we and create the we have to try and create the conditions people can have conditions so people can have conversation but we conversation options. but we also have to acknowledge, certainly who would certainly the people who i would

call awakened lot, the call the awakened lot, the people have looked at all of people who have looked at all of this dispassionate way. this in a dispassionate way. i think have to also understand think we have to also understand , neil, what's got us to , neil, that what's got us to this first this situation in the first place. initially we started from a place of fear. place. initially we started from a place of fear . okay, so only a a place of fear. okay, so only a few weeks ago, isabel oakeshott's expose in the front page of the telegraph, you know, matt hancock's whatsapp messages, we have to frighten the pants off the public. what that tells us is, of course, is that tells us is, of course, is that when people are under a state of considerable fear, two things happen. one is they're more likely to be controlled and they their capacity to they lose their capacity to engage critical thinking. and that to doctors. that even applies to doctors. yeah, then get it yeah, you then get it exacerbated by all these powerful commercial vested interests want to exploit interests that want to exploit the situation because that's what commercial entities do. i mean, i've come up with this new term in describing how big pharma operates, often in terms of making money fulfils criteria for psychopathy. so we call it. and that can explain where we are. but i think we have to have these conversations. yes, you hear that, these conversations. yes, you neor inoi. row— these conversations. yes, you hear that, jay, that- t yes, you hear that, jay, that assume

incre— hear that, jay, that assume there reiterating the necessity to, there reiterating the necessity io. oe— there reiterating the necessity io. oe voo— there reiterating the necessity io. oe vow eow— there reiterating the necessity io. oe vow sayr io— there reiterating the necessity to, as you say, to have this conversation _ to, as you say, to have this conversation .— to, as you say, to have this conversation . jay, to, as you say, to have this conversation .jay, i've to, as you say, to have this conversation . jay, i've run out conversation. jay, i've run out of conversation. jay, i've run out oi rime.— conversation. jay, i've run out oi iime. r— conversation. jay, i've run out of time. i cannot— conversation. jay, i've run out of time. i cannot express to you reoiiv— of time. i cannot express to you really adequately— of time. i cannot express to you really adequately how grateful i am really adequately how grateful i on ior— really adequately how grateful i on ior novino— really adequately how grateful i am for having had the oppononiiv— am for having had the opportunity to hear you speak. voo— opportunity to hear you speak. you know— opportunity to hear you speak. you know .— opportunity to hear you speak. you know , and,— opportunity to hear you speak. you know , and, you know, none you know, and, you know, none wiee— you know, and, you know, none in— you know, and, you know, none in in— you know, and, you know, none in in o— you know, and, you know, none wiser in in a situation like iiie— wiser in in a situation like one so— wiser in in a situation like one so o— wiser in in a situation like this. so a thousand thanks for vow— this. so a thousand thanks for vow rime— this. so a thousand thanks for your time this— this. so a thousand thanks for your time this evening and i nope— your time this evening and i nope we— your time this evening and i nope we wiri— your time this evening and i hope we will speak again at oreoier— hope we will speak again at greater length— hope we will speak again at greater length .— hope we will speak again at greater length . still to come greater length. still to come in, greater length. still to come in ine— greater length. still to come in, the final— greater length. still to come in, the final part— greater length. still to come in, the final part of neil oriver— in, the final part of neil oliver live— in, the final part of neil oliver live as- in, the final part of neil oliver live as a new tv drama is reieoeeo— oliver live as a new tv drama is released about— oliver live as a new tv drama is released about the _ oliver live as a new tv drama is released about the hunt for omnon— released about the hunt for gunman raoul— released about the hunt for gunman raoul moat, i'll be toineo— gunman raoul moat, i'll be toineo by— gunman raoul moat, i'll be joined by survival expert ray neoie— joined by survival expert ray iieore oni— joined by survival expert ray mears and he'll— joined by survival expert ray mears and he'll tell us about me— mears and he'll tell us about one pori— mears and he'll tell us about one pon ne— mears and he'll tell us about the part he played and what he ininke— the part he played and what he ininke oiooi— the part he played and what he thinks about the— the part he played and what he thinks about the portrayal of the thinks about the portrayal of one—new- thinks about the portrayal ofi the _ new series. the events in the new series. iii— the events in the new series. in eee— the events in the new series. in voo— the events in the new series. pn won in— the events in the new series. i'll see you in 2— the events in the new series. i'll see you in 2 or 3 minutes

welcome back to neil oliver iive. — welcome back to neil oliver iive. soiii— welcome back to neil oliver live. still basking in the afterburn— live. still basking in the afterburn of— live. still basking in the afterburn of listening to a genuine— afterburn of listening to a genuine elder— afterburn of listening to a genuine elder statesman here. nor— genuine elder statesman here. iii no— genuine elder statesman here. nor ior— genuine elder statesman here. but now for something completely ciiiereni— but now for something completely oiiiereni. ii-e— but now for something completely different, it's 13— but now for something completely different, it's 13 years since orowopiv— different, it's 13 years since

orowopiv ine— different, it's 13 years since arguably the biggest manhunt in iriiien— arguably the biggest manhunt in iriiien nieiorv— arguably the biggest manhunt in british history in— arguably the biggest manhunt in british history in the july of zero.— british history in the july of zero. koooi— british history in the july of 2010, raoul moat, just released irom— 2010, raoul moat, just released irom prieon— 2010, raoul moat, just released irom prieon .— 2010, raoul moat, just released from prison , killed one person from prison, killed one person one— from prison, killed one person one woonoeo— from prison, killed one person and wounded two— from prison, killed one person and wounded two others before going— and wounded two others before going on— and wounded two others before going on ine— and wounded two others before going on one run— and wounded two others before going on the run .— and wounded two others before going on the run . the huge going on the run. the huge monnoni— going on the run. the huge manhunt has— going on the run. the huge manhunt has now been made into a mono— manhunt has now been made into a mono ior— manhunt has now been made into a mono ior riv— manhunt has now been made into a drama for itv, titled— manhunt has now been made into a drama for itv, titled the hunt for drama for itv, titled the hunt ior koooi— drama for itv, titled the hunt for raoul moat— drama for itv, titled the hunt for raoul moat .— drama for itv, titled the hunt for raoul moat . drawn into the for raoul moat. drawn into the mono— for raoul moat. drawn into the drama was survival and bushcraft expen— drama was survival and bushcraft evpen kov— drama was survival and bushcraft evpen kov neoie— drama was survival and bushcraft expert ray mears, asked by poiice— expert ray mears, asked by poiice io— expert ray mears, asked by police to use— expert ray mears, asked by police to use his skills to help inem— police to use his skills to help inem irock— police to use his skills to help them track down— police to use his skills to help them track down their man, ray toine— them track down their man, ray toine me— them track down their man, ray toine me no— them track down their man, ray toine me io— them track down their man, ray joins me now to relive those oongerooe— joins me now to relive those dangerous days.— joins me now to relive those dangerous days. hi, ray . dangerous days. hi, ray. hi, weir.— dangerous days. hi, ray. hi, weii. wice— dangerous days. hi, ray. hi, weii. wice io— dangerous days. hi, ray. hi, neil. nice to see— dangerous days. hi, ray. hi, neil. nice to see you. - dangerous days. hi, ray. hi, neil. nice to see you. nice circumstances to be talking. yeah are those are those days of that hunt still vivid in your memory ? yeah, very much so. memory? yeah, very much so. yeah. it was a very intense penod yeah. it was a very intense period of time and i don't think any of us will ever forget all the second by second. what occurred. yeah what was it like?

woo-re— occurred. yeah what was it like? woo-re oekeci— occurred. yeah what was it like? you're asked. you're— rtrrt.rt.. ”rtr: “cir?“ what was it like? you're asked. you're asked. rtrrt.rt.. ”tr: “it?" what was it like? you're asked. you're asked. i r— you're asked. you're asked. i i know— you're asked. you're asked. i mean, i know that you made the mini— mean, i know that you made the iniiioi oiier— mean, i know that you made the initial offer anyway, so you put vooreeii— initial offer anyway, so you put vooreeii inro— initial offer anyway, so you put yourself into harm's way in any eveni — yourself into harm's way in any eveni noi— yourself into harm's way in any event. but once— yourself into harm's way in any event. but once you were ociooiiv— event. but once you were actually tracking someone who known io — actually tracking someone who was known to be— actually tracking someone who was known to be dangerous, was inor— was known to be dangerous, was that frightening?— was known to be dangerous, was that frightening? you know, how did that frightening? you know, how iii-iii— that frightening? you know, how iii-iii voo— that frightening? you know, how did-did you feel- that frightening? you know, how did-did you feel 7- that frightening? you know, how did did you feel ? well, did it how did you feel? well, to did it how did you feel? well, io ie— did it how did you feel? well, to be honest— did it how did you feel? well, to be honest with— did it how did you feel? well, to be honest with you, i wasn't i to be honest with you, i wasn't rwoeni— to be honest with you, i wasn't ii eo— to be honest with you, i wasn't i wasn't so worried— to be honest with you, i wasn't i wasn't so worried about him. iwasn't so worried about him. i noo— iwasn't so worried about him. i too io— iwasn't so worried about him. i had 16 policemen— iwasn't so worried about him. i had 16 policemen armed- i wasn't so worried about him. i had 16 policemen armed to the teeth protecting me. and numerous police dogs. my main concern, honestly , was i didn't concern, honestly, was i didn't want to let everybody else down because it was such a big event. it was only when you when i got there, i could see what an enormous effort it was. um, i just didn't want to mess up. that was the biggest thing . so that was the biggest thing. so they bring you to a location, you know, you get out of a vehicle. what do you do? how do you bring— vehicle. what do you do? how do you bring ori— vehicle. what do you do? how do you king or vow— rt“ rttrt what do you do? how do you bring all your years tr“ rttrt what do you do? how do you bring all your years of expeience— you bring all your years of experience of— you bring all your years of experience of tracking to bear? now— experience of tracking to bear? now oo— experience of tracking to bear? now do voo— experience of tracking to bear? how do you start— experience of tracking to bear? how do you start ? �*vvr�*rttt how do you start? well, ociooiiw— how do you start? well, ociooiiv. r— how do you start? well, actually, i had that started earlier than that when i first got there. and i had a look at

the ground on a on a map. it's trying to work out what where, where could he be? what's he doing next? and i made some suggestions the one, suggestions to the police, one, that they should check outlying isolated farms because in the past, people under the under those circumstances at about that period had gone indoors and taken hostages. so i know that they sent bobbies to knock on doors and i asked them to close the cragside estate, which was still open. i don't think anyone in their right mind would have gone for a walk in there at that penod gone for a walk in there at that period because we didn't know where he was. he could have broken of that piece of broken out of that piece of woodland into other larger areas nearby which would have complicated matters. and nearby which would have cothaving matters. and nearby which would have cothaving looked s. and nearby which would have cothaving looked at and nearby which would have cothaving looked at the and nearby which would have cothaving looked at the map, then having looked at the map, i've got a very good knowledge of , of, of what people i've got a very good knowledge of, of, of what people require. if they want to stay hidden in woodland. so that rather limits your choices on, on the map. and it's then a matter of prioritising those areas and starting to search them. i'm i'm just, i've got narinder kaur with me in the studio. ray as

well. narinder kaur- with me in the studio. ray as well. narinder kaur do- “ slur: ray as well. narinder kaur do you remember this— well. narinder kaur do you remember this happening? i'm inm— remember this happening? i'm from newcastle,— remember this happening? i'm from newcastle, so— remember this happening? i'm from newcastle, so i'm- remember this happening? i'm from newcastle, so i'm a- remember this happening? i'm from newcastle, so i'm a geordie was a deal there. what was was a big deal there. what was surprised ray probably i surprised me, ray probably i don't remember this, don't know if you remember this, but seemed to weirdly but there seemed to be weirdly some support for raoul moat and that i some support for raoul moat and thati can some support for raoul moat and that i can never get my head around that and there seemed to be against the establishment, but and for raol i mean, can you remember did that remember that and did that bother you ? did you did you have bother you? did you did you have that experience?— bother you? did you did you have that experience? ray— bother you? did you did you have that experience? ray i— rrtr.7 did you did you have that experience? ray i do remember it— that experience? ray i do remember it and i think that was partly— remember it and i think that was poniv o— remember it and i think that was poniv o reeoii— remember it and i think that was partly a result of— remember it and i think that was partly a result of the type of preee— partly a result of the type of press coverage— partly a result of the type of press coverage that it got. the preee— press coverage that it got. the preee coveroeg— press coverage that it got. the press coverage was— press coverage that it got. the press coverage was really intense and they didn't have anything to show. so they had to make a story up. um, people often , you know, we all know if often, you know, we all know if we're in the media, the more someone's faces in the media, it can be a disgrace. politician it won't harm their career because exposure has an influence. and i think that's what happened in this case. but i think the most important thing really is to focus on his victims , focus on his victims, particularly chris brown , who he

particularly chris brown, who he ambushed and then executed. i mean, it's the most appalling crime . and i think that's the crime. and i think that's the person we should be really remember doing . yeah. narinder remember doing. yeah. narinder koor— remember doing. yeah. narinder koor oo— remember doing. yeah. narinder koor oo voo— remember doing. yeah. narinder koor do you now— remember doing. yeah. narinder kaur do you how did— remember doing. yeah. narinder kaur do you how did you- 3 r:rtr “3 yeah. narinder kaur do you how did you react voo— kaur do you how did you react once you saw that— kaur do you how did you react once you saw that the press was onioioing— once you saw that the press was onioioing inor— once you saw that the press was unfolding that way? i don't know.— unfolding that way? i don't know, making— unfolding that way? i don't know, making some kind of a rockin— know, making some kind of a room wooi— know, making some kind of a robin hood over— know, making some kind of a robin hood over paul gascoigne ining— robin hood over paul gascoigne ining oe— robin hood over paul gascoigne ining oeweii. — robin hood over paul gascoigne thing as well. and— robin hood over paul gascoigne thing as well. '“r: t. thing as well. and he turns up with fishing rod some with a fishing rod and some chicken four of lager. chicken and four cans of lager. and ray gets involved and and then ray gets involved and it unbelievable what it was almost unbelievable what was on. like, is this like was going on. like, is this like a movie? and ray and the a movie? and for ray and the other ray , the other question is ray, the pressure that you felt and then when you did have success, was that like a huge relief after that? how long did it that? i mean, how long did it take so i went on the ground. i was delayed getting on the groomi— was delayed getting on the ground because the police had to decide— ground because the police had to decide whether— ground because the police had to decide whether or— ground because the police had to decide whether or not they felt it decide whether or not they felt ii woe— decide whether or not they felt it was appropriate for me to be mere.— it was appropriate for me to be inere. kno— it was appropriate for me to be there. and once— it was appropriate for me to be there. and once we'd solve that ieeoe— there. and once we'd solve that . r— there. and once we'd solve that issue , um, i actually managed to issue, um, i actually managed to im— issue, um, i actually managed to iino evioence— issue, um, i actually managed to find evidence of— issue, um, i actually managed to find evidence of him pretty, preiiv— find evidence of him pretty, pretty quickly _ find evidence of him pretty, pretty quickly i— find evidence of him pretty, pretty quickly. i was really eorprieeo— pretty quickly. i was really surprised and— pretty quickly. i was really surprised and i— pretty quickly. i was really surprised and i tracked him for

six surprised and i tracked him for eix nonre— surprised and i tracked him for eix none or— surprised and i tracked him for six hours or there— surprised and i tracked him for six hours or there i think it was six hours.— six hours or there i think it was six hours. we the sign got ireener— was six hours. we the sign got ireener oni— was six hours. we the sign got fresher and fresher, and i found procee— fresher and fresher, and i found piocee wnere— fresher and fresher, and i found piocee wnere r— fresher and fresher, and i found places where i could tell what neo— places where i could tell what ne-o ieen— places where i could tell what ne-o been up— places where i could tell what he'd been up to,— places where i could tell what he'd been up to, and i gained an impreeeion— he'd been up to, and i gained an impreeeion oi— he'd been up to, and i gained an impression of his— he'd been up to, and i gained an impression of his state of mind . um.— impression of his state of mind . gm, oni— impression of his state of mind . gm, one i— impression of his state of mind . um, and i found— impression of his state of mind . um, and i found a trail that neo— . um, and i found a trail that ne-o iiiei— . um, and i found a trail that he'd tried to— . um, and i found a trail that he'd tried to keep— . um, and i found a trail that he'd tried to keep hidden and inor— he'd tried to keep hidden and no woe— he'd tried to keep hidden and that was really— he'd tried to keep hidden and that was really critical. and onen— that was really critical. and men we— that was really critical. and men we goi— that was really critical. and then we got called off. and i inink— then we got called off. and i inink ii— then we got called off. and i inink ii inev— then we got called off. and i think if they hadn't , if we think if they hadn't, if we noon-i— think if they hadn't, if we hadn't called— think if they hadn't, if we hadn't called off, we would have . we— hadn't called off, we would have . we worko— hadn't called off, we would have . we would have— hadn't called off, we would have . we would have got we would nove—r-m-oil have found him, i'm sure of inoi. — have found him, i'm sure of inoi. nie— have found him, i'm sure of that. his state— have found him, i'm sure of that. his state of- have found him, i'm sure of that. “r: ?“r: have found him, i'm sure of- that. his state of mind and how because of the. yeah, it's a coin— because of the. yeah, it's a reoiiv gooo— because of the. yeah, it's a really good question.- t yeah, it's a really good question. when you rock— really good question. when you track somebody,— really good question. when you track somebody, you sometimes get track somebody, you sometimes gei io— track somebody, you sometimes gei io know— track somebody, you sometimes get to know them _ track somebody, you sometimes get to know them better than inev— get to know them better than inev know— get to know them better than they know themselves . you will they know themselves. you will nove— they know themselves. you will nove yon-ii— they know themselves. you will have you'll have— they know themselves. you will have you'll have gone to the ioinroom— have you'll have gone to the bathroom before _ have you'll have gone to the bathroom before you went on air iooov— bathroom before you went on air iooov oni— bathroom before you went on air iooov ono voo— bathroom before you went on air today and you won't have remembered— today and you won't have remembered how you walked there. but remembered how you walked there. noilr-m— remembered how you walked there. noilr-m iooking— remembered how you walked there. butll'm looking at— remembered how you walked there. but i'm looking at your but if i'm looking at your iooiprinie— but if i'm looking at your footprints, iwill - but if i'm looking at your footprints, will detect your footprints, i will detect your vow— footprints, i will detect your your_ decisions footprints, i will detect youri your_ decisions , footprints, i will detect your- your_ decisions , the your subconscious decisions, the ininge— your subconscious decisions, the ininge voo— your subconscious decisions, the ininge voo oo— your subconscious decisions, the ininge you do on— your subconscious decisions, the things you do on autopilot . and things you do on autopilot. and irom— things you do on autopilot. and irom inor— things you do on autopilot. and irom inoi voo— things you do on autopilot. and from that you start to gain an impreeeion. — from that you start to gain an impression. i'm— from that you start to gain an impression. “g impression. i'm running out of time here. it's fascinating. another time i'll ask you what you think about your portrayal in in that that in that in that in that dramatisation that's from me

dramatisation that's all from me on neil oliver tonight on on neil oliver live tonight a thousand to my my to thousand thanks to to my my to my presenters friend narinder kaur handing you over now to the rest schedule gb news rest of the schedule on gb news live. hello rest of the schedule on gb news live . hello there very good live. hello there very good evening. — t hello there very good evening. welcome to your latest weoiner— evening. welcome to your latest weather update— evening. welcome to your latest weather update from the met pince— weather update from the met eiiice. im— weather update from the met office. i'm jonathan bawtree. a mixiore— office. i'm jonathan bawtree. a mixture-showers— office. i'm jonathan bawtree. a mixture showers and longer mixture of showers and longer eperie— mixture of showers and longer epeiie oi— mixture of showers and longer epeiie oi rom— mixture of showers and longer spells of rain to— mixture of showers and longer spells of rain to greet us inroognooi— spells of rain to greet us throughout sunday. all thanks to low throughout sunday. all thanks to iow preeeore— throughout sunday. all thanks to low pressure being in charge of our low pressure being in charge of weoiner— low pressure being in charge of our weather bringing us our weather and bringing us reioiiveiv— our weather and bringing us relatively unsettled conditions. ine— relatively unsettled conditions. ine ieoiore— relatively unsettled conditions. the isobars relatively spaced oni— the isobars relatively spaced out across-of- the isobars relatively spaced out across of northern out across much of northern rennet— out across much of northern ireland, england— out across much of northern ireland, england and wales and inro— ireland, england and wales and into southern— ireland, england and wales and into southern scotland. so winds wiri— into southern scotland. so winds will-relatively— into southern scotland. so winds will relatively light will remain relatively light inroognooi— will remain relatively light throughout saturday evening and that throughout saturday evening and moi-ioei— throughout saturday evening and that-just allow— throughout saturday evening and that just allow some of that will just allow some of ineee— that will just allow some of ineee-oi— that will just allow some of these-of rain-be. these bands of rain to be reioiiveiv— these bands of rain to be relatively slow- these bands of rain to be relatively slow moving. the main poening— relatively slow moving. the main poening inro— relatively slow moving. the main one pushing into areas of eooinern— one pushing into areas of southern england as we head ioworoe— southern england as we head ioworoe-in- southern england as we head towards-in the- southern england as we head towards in the night. towards later on in the night. noi— towards later on in the night. nor generoiiv— towards later on in the night. but generally arnie a of but generally arnie a lot of crowi— but generally arnie a lot of cloud around— but generally arnie a lot of cloud around as— but generally arnie a lot of cloud around as we head inroognooi— cloud around as we head throughout and that will hold temperatures— throughout and that will hold. temperatures—6 c temperatures up around 5 or 6 c for temperatures up around 5 or 6 c ior-pernope- temperatures up around 5 or 6 c for-perhaps down- temperatures up around 5 or 6 c for perhaps down into for most, but perhaps down into low for most, but perhaps down into iow-iigwee— for most, but perhaps down into low-figures where- for most, but perhaps down into low figures where do low single figures where we do see some shelter— low single figures where we do see some shelter in rural spots . eo— see some shelter in rural spots . so o— see some shelter in rural spots . so o ciooov— see some shelter in rural spots . so a cloudy start— see some shelter in rural spots . so a cloudy start to sunday morning— . so a cloudy start to sunday morning one— . so a cloudy start to sunday morning and band of rain in morning and this band of rain in the morning and this band of rain in one-ie— morning and this band of rain in ine-ie going—

morning and this band of rain in ine-ie going io— morning and this band of rain in the is going to push its the south is going to push its way— the south is going to push its wov inro— the south is going to push its wov inio ine— the south is going to push its way into the south—east so worth a way into the south—east so worth o-poini— way into the south—east so worth o-poinilvoo— way into the south—east so worth o-poinilvoo oe— way into the south—east so worth a point you are running a watch point if you are running the a watch point if you are running one ionoon— a watch point if you are running the london marathon. be the london marathon. it could be roiner—enorp- the london marathon. it could be rather sharp showers rather wet. some sharp showers oeveioping— rather wet. some sharp showers developing perhaps developing elsewhere, perhaps the-isolated— developing elsewhere, perhaps the isolated rumble of the very isolated rumble of wonder— the very isolated rumble of thunder-the— the very isolated rumble of thunder the mixture those thunder in the mixture of those as thunder in the mixture of those oerom— poeningl as well. further rain pushing its as well. further rain pushing ire-inro— as well. further rain pushing its into northeast scotland its way into northeast scotland oni— its way into northeast scotland one—winer- its way into northeast scotland and _winter overj and that could fall winter over the and that could fall winter over one nigner— and that could fall winter over the higher ground as see some the higher ground as we see some coioer— the higher ground as we see some coioer-iie— the higher ground as we see some coioer-iie wov— the higher ground as we see some colder-its way in- the higher ground as we see some colder its way in from colder air dig its way in from ine— colder air dig its way in from one nonn— colder air dig its way in from the north-really- colder air dig its way in from the north really feeling the north and really feeling mocn— the north and really feeling much compared to where much colder compared to where we nove— much colder compared to where we nove-oi— much colder compared to where we nove-oi ioie— much colder compared to where we nove-oi ioie .— much colder compared to where we have-of late . those- much colder compared to where we have of late . those showers have been of late. those showers wiri— have been of late. those showers wiii generoiiv— have been of late. those showers will generally ease— have been of late. those showers will generally ease off as we neoi— will generally ease off as we neoi inro— will generally ease off as we head into the— will generally ease off as we head into the overnight period, one— head into the overnight period, one inor— head into the overnight period, and that will— head into the overnight period, and that will allow more the and that will allow more in the way— and that will allow more in the wov oi— and that will allow more in the wov oi cieor— and that will allow more in the way of clear spells to develop. so way of clear spells to develop. so o— way of clear spells to develop. so o eiigniiv— way of clear spells to develop. so a slightly chillier night to come-neoi— so a slightly chillier night to come - head into - so a slightly chillier night to come head into the early come as we head into the early nonre— come as we head into the early none—morning.- come as we head into the early hours morning. some hours of monday morning. some poicnv— hours of monday morning. some poicnv-ono— hours of monday morning. some patchy-and there. - hours of monday morning. some patchy and there. but patchy frost here and there. but we-ve-ionner— patchy frost here and there. but we've further pushing we've got further rain pushing irom— we've got further rain pushing from northern— we've got further rain pushing from northern ireland into wales and from northern ireland into wales ono-eooinern- from northern ireland into wales and-southern areas. from northern ireland into wales and southern areas of and down into southern areas of ingiono— and down into southern areas ofi england—morning. england throughout the morning. snowere— england throughout the morning. showers streaming showers still streaming their way— showers still streaming their wov—oreoei showers still streaming their. woov—eoe oi way in across northern areas of economi— way in across northern areas of scotland. now— way in across northern areas of scotland. now falling asleep and hail scotland. now falling asleep and noiiliower— scotland. now falling asleep and hail-lower levels— scotland. now falling asleep and hail lower levels even here. hail to lower levels even here. kno— hail to lower levels even here. one eoe— hail to lower levels even here. and some wintry— hail to lower levels even here. and some wintry ness pushing inro— and some wintry ness pushing inio eoeie— and some wintry ness pushing into eastern coast— and some wintry ness pushing into eastern coast as well. it is into eastern coast as well. it ie eoeie— into eastern coast as well. it is eastern coast— into eastern coast as well. it is eastern coast that will see ine— is eastern coast that will see one eirongeei— is eastern coast that will see the strongest winds throughout nongov— the strongest winds throughout nonoov wnere— the strongest winds throughout monday where those isobars are eiigniiv— monday where those isobars are slightly squeezed _ monday where those isobars are slightly squeezed together. but a slightly squeezed together. but o-nign— slightly squeezed together. but o-nign preeewe- a ridge of high pressure ioiioing— a ridge of high pressure building-for- a ridge of high pressure building for tuesday to help

building in for tuesday to help eeiiie— building in for tuesday to help eerie—oi- building in for tuesday to help settle—at least. i building in for tuesday to helpi settle—at least. but settle things down at least. but incre— settle things down at least. but inere-riek— settle things down at least. but inere-riek oi— settle things down at least. but there risk of further there is the risk of further rom— there is the risk of further rain _towardsi rain as we head towards weoneeoov— rain as we head towards wednesday and temperatures are still wednesday and temperatures are eiiii-io— wednesday and temperatures are eiiii-io ie— wednesday and temperatures are still-to be below- wednesday and temperatures are still to be below average still going to be below average for still going to be below average ior-oi— still going to be below average ior-oi veor— still going to be below average ior-oi veor by-

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