it's something i john cleese. it's something i john cleese. it's something i john cleese. it's something i've. i'm darren grimes— it's something i've. i'm darren grimes along— it's something i've. i'm darren grimes along with— it's something i've. i'm darren grimes along with albie amankona emily— grimes along with albie amankona emily carver,— grimes along with albie amankona emily carver, benjamin butterworth_ emily carver, benjamin butterworth ,- emily carver, benjamin butterworth , and our very butterworth, and our very special— butterworth, and our very special guest— butterworth, and our very special guest ,- butterworth, and our very special guest , lee butterworth, and our very special guest, lee aukus tonight on the— special guest, lee aukus tonight on the show,— special guest, lee aukus tonight on the show, i'm— special guest, lee aukus tonight on the show, i'm going to be telling— on the show, i'm going to be telling you— on the show, i'm going to be telling you why— on the show, i'm going to be telling you why we ought to be proud— telling you why we ought to be proud of— telling you why we ought to be proud of our— telling you why we ought to be proud of our english identity. r-m — proud of our english identity. rm goug— proud of our english identity. rm gorug ro— proud of our english identity. rm gorug o oo— proud of our english identity. i'm going to be discussing why mororooror— i'm going to be discussing why manchester united and manchester cry-o— manchester united and manchester crry-o rooroou— manchester united and manchester city's football badges aren't rooror— city's football badges aren't rooror . — city's football badges aren't rooror . r— city's football badges aren't racist. i think— city's football badges aren't racist . crzrcg city's football badges aren't racist . g " racist. i think tough sentences for just stop oil protesters are justified . and why the lack of justified. and why the lack of rare — justified. and why the lack of rare mour— justified. and why the lack of late night greggs_ justified. and why the lack of late night greggs is- �*" r::;r: and why the lack of late night greggs is a national orogrooo. — late night greggs is a national orogrooo. aru— late night greggs is a national disgrace. and i'll— late night greggs is a national disgrace. ' r: a late night greggs is a national disgrace. r: a g disgrace. and i'll be talking about why dominic raab was right to bully those lazy civil servants. it's to bully those lazy civil servants . it's 8:00 pm to bully those lazy civil servants. it's 8:00 pm and this is rho— servants. it's 8:00 pm and this

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ray addison. here's the latest from the gb newsroom the prime minister has chaired an emergency cobra meeting as fierce fighting in sudan enters its second week, government forces are battling with a paramilitary group over control of the capital, khartoum. sudan's military claims foreign narrorrore— sudan's military claims foreign nationals and— sudan's military claims foreign nationals and diplomats , nationals and diplomats, rueruurue— nationals and diplomats, including those from the uk, us , rrorree— including those from the uk, us , rrouee erro— including those from the uk, us , france and china,— including those from the uk, us , france and china, are to be evoeuoreu.— , france and china, are to be evacuated. the— , france and china, are to be evacuated. the world health orgoureorror— evacuated. the world health organisation says more than 400 oeoore— organisation says more than 400 new“! rove— organisation says more than 400 people have been— organisation says more than 400 people have been killed and rroueouee— people have been killed and thousands injured since the vroreuee— thousands injured since the violence began— thousands injured since the violence began . the snp has violence began. the snp has opporuree— violence began. the snp has appointed stuart mcdonald as the party's— appointed stuart mcdonald as the perry-e reu— appointed stuart mcdonald as the party's new treasurer following the resignation— party's new treasurer following the resignation of msp colin reorie— the resignation of msp colin eeorrre. mr— the resignation of msp colin beattie. mr beattie stepped down errer— beattie. mr beattie stepped down are re— beattie. mr beattie stepped down are re woe— beattie. mr beattie stepped down after he was arrested by police ruyeerrgorrue— after he was arrested by police investigating snp finance . he investigating snp finance. he rarer— investigating snp finance. he was later released without charge — was later released without charge ore— was later released without charge and the— was later released without charge and the party's former emer— charge and the party's former chief executive— charge and the party's former chief executive ,_ charge and the party's former chief executive , peter murrell, chief executive, peter murrell, uro— chief executive, peter murrell, who woe— chief executive, peter murrell, who oreo — chief executive, peter murrell, who was also nicola sturgeon huehonh— who was also nicola sturgeon huehohu, woe— who was also nicola sturgeon husband, was also arrested and oueehoheu— husband, was also arrested and questioned before— husband, was also arrested and questioned before being released . rohee— questioned before being released . rohee ore— questioned before being released . police are investigating the or— . police are investigating the use of £600,000— . police are investigating the use of £600,000 in donations rheohr— use of £600,000 in donations rheohr hor— use of £600,000 in donations meant for the—

use of £600,000 in donations meant for the independent referendum— meant for the independent referendum ._ meant for the independent referendum . a— meant for the independent referendum . a serving member of referendum. a serving member of the referendum. a serving member of he hrrrreh— referendum. a serving member of the british armed— referendum. a serving member of the british armed forces has appeared— the british armed forces has appeared h— the british armed forces has appeared in court charged with oheheee— appeared in court charged with offences under— appeared in court charged with offences under the official seerere— offences under the official secrets act— offences under the official secrets act ._ offences under the official secrets act . 36 - offences under the official secrets act . 36 year old thomas secrets act. 36 year old thomas weeo— secrets act. 36 year old thomas weeo re— secrets act. 36 year old thomas newson is accused— secrets act. 36 year old thomas newson is accused of sharing hrehry— newson is accused of sharing highly sensitive— newson is accused of sharing highly sensitive military information— highly sensitive military information ._ highly sensitive military information . he's alleged to information. he's alleged to howe— information. he's alleged to have shared— information. he's alleged to have shared a— information. he's alleged to have shared a ten page document rhrough— have shared a ten page document rhrough eoeror— have shared a ten page document through social media to two senior officers— through social media to two senior officers who did have clearance and— senior officers who did have clearance and one civilian who did clearance and one civilian who he hor. — clearance and one civilian who did not. prosser_ clearance and one civilian who did not. prosser tutors claim if he— did not. prosser tutors claim if he hro— did not. prosser tutors claim if he hro ee— did not. prosser tutors claim if the info was leaked, it would hewe— the info was leaked, it would have caused— the info was leaked, it would have caused a— the info was leaked, it would have caused a real and immediate rhreer— have caused a real and immediate rhreer ro— have caused a real and immediate threat to british— have caused a real and immediate threat to british people outside of threat to british people outside or he— threat to british people outside or he uk— threat to british people outside or he uk .— threat to british people outside of the uk. he's— threat to british people outside of the uk. he's due in court eeeh— of the uk. he's due in court eeeh oh— of the uk. he's due in court again on friday.— of the uk. he's due in court again on friday. the family of srehheh— again on friday. the family of stephen lawrence have held a hemorrer— stephen lawrence have held a memorial service— stephen lawrence have held a memorial service in trafalgar squee— memorial service in trafalgar seuere ro— memorial service in trafalgar square to mark— memorial service in trafalgar square to mark the 30th ehhwereery— square to mark the 30th anniversary of- square to mark the 30th anniversary of his murder. the 18 anniversary of his murder. the re yeer— anniversary of his murder. the re yeer ore— anniversary of his murder. the 18 year old was— anniversary of his murder. the 18 year old was killed in a recher— 18 year old was killed in a racist attack— 18 year old was killed in a racist attack while waiting for a racist attack while waiting for e hue— racist attack while waiting for e hue h— racist attack while waiting for a bus in south— racist attack while waiting for a bus in south east london. it's eheeee— a bus in south east london. it's ehegeu rher— a bus in south east london. it's alleged that the— a bus in south east london. it's alleged that the original investigation— alleged that the original investigation was hindered by racism-police— investigation was hindered by racism police corruption , racism and police corruption, heehhe— racism and police corruption, rheehhe h— racism and police corruption, meaning it took— racism and police corruption, meaning it took almost 20 years for rwo— meaning it took almost 20 years for rwo or— meaning it took almost 20 years for rwo or he— meaning it took almost 20 years for two of his killers to face huehee— for two of his killers to face justice. labour—

for two of his killers to face justice. labour have condemned horhhre— justice. labour have condemned dominic raabs_ justice. labour have condemned dominic raabs behaviour since his dominic raabs behaviour since he reereherroh— dominic raabs behaviour since his resignation yesterday , his resignation yesterday, eerhhe— his resignation yesterday, eerhhe h— his resignation yesterday, calling it appalling and saying he ehouhh-r— calling it appalling and saying he shouldn't be— calling it appalling and saying he shouldn't be blaming his accusers for— he shouldn't be blaming his accusers for his— he shouldn't be blaming his accusers for his downfall. the former— accusers for his downfall. the former eepury— accusers for his downfall. the former deputy prime minister reergheu— former deputy prime minister resigned after— former deputy prime minister resigned after an investigation uhhere— resigned after an investigation uphere rwo— resigned after an investigation uphere rwo or— resigned after an investigation upheld two of the bullying ehegerrohe— upheld two of the bullying allegations made against him. mr keeh— allegations made against him. mr keeh erehhe— allegations made against him. mr keeh erehhe e— allegations made against him. mr raab claims a minority of those whhh— raab claims a minority of those within whitehall— raab claims a minority of those within whitehall are effectively rryhe— within whitehall are effectively rryhe ro— within whitehall are effectively rryhg ro hroek— within whitehall are effectively trying to block government . trying to block government. hererue-e— trying to block government. belarus's military has completed huereer— belarus's military has completed nuclear weapons— belarus's military has completed nuclear weapons launch training in nuclear weapons launch training he hueere— nuclear weapons launch training he hueere .— nuclear weapons launch training he hueere . h— nuclear weapons launch training in russia . it comes after in russia. it comes after rreeruehr— in russia. it comes after president putin said moscow wouru— president putin said moscow would station _ president putin said moscow would station tactical nuclear weehoe— would station tactical nuclear weehoe h— would station tactical nuclear weapons in the— would station tactical nuclear weapons in the neighbouring eouhrry— weapons in the neighbouring eouhrry .— weapons in the neighbouring eouhrry . h-e— weapons in the neighbouring country . it's thought that country. it's thought that werheeue— country. it's thought that warheads could be moved to eroreee— warheads could be moved to storage facilities— warheads could be moved to storage facilities in belarus by jury.— storage facilities in belarus by rury. hehy— storage facilities in belarus by rury. hehy hewe— storage facilities in belarus by july. many have seen that as a werhhe— july. many have seen that as a werhhe ro— july. many have seen that as a warning to nato— july. many have seen that as a warning to nato over its hrhrery— warning to nato over its military support for ukraine. rhhure— military support for ukraine. tribute routes— military support for ukraine. tribute routes have poured in for australian— tribute routes have poured in for australian entertainer barry huhhhhee— for australian entertainer barry humphries, who— for australian entertainer barry humphries, who has died at the age— humphries, who has died at the age or— humphries, who has died at the age or ee— humphries, who has died at the age of 89 during— humphries, who has died at the age of 89 during a seven decade career. he was best— age of 89 during a seven decade career. he was best known for his career. he was best known for he eher— career. he was best known for he eher eeoe— career. he was best known for his alter egos, including dame rehe— his alter egos, including dame ruhe rwereee— his alter egos, including dame edna everage and sir les rerrereoh— edna everage and sir les rerrereoh .— edna everage and sir les

patterson . actor jason donovan patterson. actor jason donovan eeeehhee— patterson. actor jason donovan described him _ patterson. actor jason donovan described him as— patterson. actor jason donovan described him as an entertaining eehrue— described him as an entertaining eehrue .— described him as an entertaining gehrue . rhe— described him as an entertaining genius . the australian prime genius. the australian prime whrerer— genius. the australian prime minister paid— genius. the australian prime minister paid tribute to him as were,— minister paid tribute to him as weh, eerhhe— minister paid tribute to him as well, calling him _ minister paid tribute to him as well, calling him the brightest erer— well, calling him the brightest erer h— well, calling him the brightest erer h e— well, calling him the brightest star in a galaxy— well, calling him the brightest star in a galaxy of personas as on w— star in a galaxy of personas as we're on tv online_ star in a galaxy of personas as we're on tv online , on dab+ we're on tv online, on dab+ rewro— we're on tv online, on dab+ reuro ene— we're on tv online, on dab+ reuro ehu oh— we're on tv online, on dab+ radio and on tune- we're on tv online, on dab+ radio and on tune in to this is gb radio and on tune in to this is oh newe— radio and on tune in to this is gb news. back— radio and on tune in to this is gb news. back now to the . gb news. back now to the. serureey— gb news. back now to the. saturday five. _ saturday five. nee.- saturday five. . yes, it- saturday five. i yes, it is. saturday five. yes, it is saturday night. and you're with the saturday five. i'm carver, can i'm emily carver, and i can promise you for in a very promise you are for in a very lively hour. no one gets out of this until we have put this studio until we have put the rights . so let's the world to rights. so let's crack on with tonight's first debate. the brilliant debate. now the brilliant leo kearse guest tonight . so kearse is our guest tonight. so of course, we are going to throw him the lion's den of course, we are going to throw him make the lion's den of course, we are going to throw him make him the lion's den of course, we are going to throw him make him go :he lion's den of course, we are going to throw him make him go first.>n's den of course, we are going to throw him make him go first. notden of course, we are going to throw him make him go first. not sure and make him go first. not sure why he picked this topic, but leo going tell us why leo is going to tell us why bullying is good . let's start bullying is good. let's start the clock. stand with dominic

the clock. i stand with dominic raab can't believe that raab and i can't believe that grown adults in the civil service complained that he was bullied them. oh, my god. are you— bullied them. oh, my god. are you e— bullied them. oh, my god. are you e hhwe— bullied them. oh, my god. are you a little baby?— bullied them. oh, my god. are you a little baby? get- bullied them. oh, my god. are you a little baby? get a- r::;r: oh, my god. are you a little baby? get a grip . you a little baby? get a grip. rook— you a little baby? get a grip. rook ue— you a little baby? get a grip. took us millions— you a little baby? get a grip. took us millions of years of eworurroh— took us millions of years of evolution to— took us millions of years of evolution to grow a spine. ooh-r.— evolution to grow a spine. ooh-r. ooh-r— evolution to grow a spine. don't. don't lose it immediately. it's ridiculous . immediately. it's ridiculous. ahe— immediately. it's ridiculous. who hurry.— immediately. it's ridiculous. and billy. billy— immediately. it's ridiculous. and billy. billy is just a hate eheeeh— and billy. billy is just a hate eoeeeh erur— and billy. billy is just a hate speech slur that's used by lazy weekhhee— speech slur that's used by lazy weekhhee ro— speech slur that's used by lazy weaklings to describe people who are weaklings to describe people who herrer— weaklings to describe people who are better than— weaklings to describe people who are better than them. the ehegerrohe— are better than them. the allegations against dominic just ooh-r— allegations against dominic just ooh-r erehe— allegations against dominic just ooh-r erehe uh.— allegations against dominic just don't stand up. apparently, when he wee— don't stand up. apparently, when he was handed— don't stand up. apparently, when he was handed some work, he said he— he was handed some work, he said he hen-r— he was handed some work, he said he her good— he was handed some work, he said this isn't good enough . that's this isn't good enough. that's bullying-— this isn't good enough. that's hurryhg. wo— this isn't good enough. that's bullying. no, that's not bullying-— bullying. no, that's not bullying. that's some work that hen-r— bullying. that's some work that her good— bullying. that's some work that isn't good enough. and you need to isn't good enough. and you need ro huek— isn't good enough. and you need ro huek uh— isn't good enough. and you need ro huek up your— isn't good enough. and you need to buck up your ideas, your oxygen— to buck up your ideas, your oxygen rhrer— to buck up your ideas, your oxygen rhrer .— to buck up your ideas, your oxygen thief . another allegation oxygen thief. another allegation was oxygen thief. another allegation rher— oxygen thief. another allegation her he — oxygen thief. another allegation was that he threw— oxygen thief. another allegation was that he threw cherry roneroee— was that he threw cherry tomatoes-of- was that he threw cherry tomatoes of the was that he threw cherry- tomatoes-of the civil tomatoes at some of the civil eerwenre.— tomatoes at some of the civil servants. listen,— tomatoes at some of the civil servants. listen, have you ever ner— servants. listen, have you ever he e— servants. listen, have you ever he e huhhe— servants. listen, have you ever met a public sector worker? the onry— met a public sector worker? the onry wey— met a public sector worker? the onry wey you— met a public sector worker? the onry wey you een— met a public sector worker? the only way you can get them to he hy— only way you can get them to move is by throwing your lunch at move is by throwing your lunch er-heeue. — move is by throwing your lunch at heads. ridiculous. at their heads. it's ridiculous. ane— at their heads. it's ridiculous. and hey— at their heads. it's ridiculous. and they need.— at their heads. it's ridiculous. and they need. they need civil eenenre— and they need. they need civil servants need— and they need. they need civil servants need to— and they need. they need civil servants need to need some nohwehon— servants need to need some motivation. they— servants need to need some motivation. they need some huhyhne— motivation. they need some huhyhng ro— motivation. they need some bullying to light the fire under her— bullying to light the fire under rherr—eohe- bullying to light the fire under their—going down| their feet. they're going down to their feet. they're going down o e— their feet. they're going down

o e rwo— their feet. they're going down o e rwo hey— their feet. they're going down to a two day week. honestly, the own— to a two day week. honestly, the own eerwee— to a two day week. honestly, the civil service - been _ to a two day week. honestly, the civil service been captured to a two day week. honestly, the civil wokee been captured to a two day week. honestly, the civil woke blob been captured to a two day week. honestly, the civil woke blob .)een captured to a two day week. honestly, the civil woke blob . leo, captured to a two day week. honestly, the civil woke blob . leo, that'sed to a two day week. honestly, the civil woke blob . leo, that's all by a woke blob. leo, that's all eon — by a woke blob. leo, that's all we've got. time— by a woke blob. leo, that's all we've got. time for- by a woke blob. leo, that's all we've got. cir" by a woke blob. leo, that's all we've got. cr" we've got. time for on that one. well, we've got. time for on that one. weh, errone— we've got. time for on that one. well, strong stuff.— we've got. rtr“ well, strong stuff. although, eehuehy— well, strong stuff. although, eeruehy, r— well, strong stuff. although, actually, i heard that he did nor— actually, i heard that he did nor-eny— actually, i heard that he did not-any fruit- actually, i heard that he did not any fruit that was a not throw any fruit that was a erur— not throw any fruit that was a erur eeerner— not throw any fruit that was a slur against dominic raab, eeeher— slur against dominic raab, egerner rhe— slur against dominic raab, against the man itself. but it eoee— against the man itself. but it eoee newe— against the man itself. but it does have good. _ against the man itself. but it does have good. �*vw�*rtgt does have good. well, you know, we into debate as to we get into the debate as to whether a tomato is a fruit or a vegetable. i don't care as long as it's thrown at somebody's head. where does this this gnewenee— head. where does this this grievance towards- : where does this this grievance towards civil servants hone — grievance towards civil servants rrone r— grievance towards civil servants come from? i used— grievance towards civil servants come from? : grievance towards civil servants come from? “ come from? i used to work in the civil service , so i was laughing civil service, so i was laughing until i worked in the public sector and i'd just seen the profligacy and waste and laziness of my colleagues and myself. i mean, i took advantage as well, was, was disgusting. and what you see now in the civil service, it's been captured by woke blob, which captured by a woke blob, which benjamin enjoys, benjamin probably enjoys, but they're not doing. they're not doing bidding of elected doing the bidding of elected representatives. people didn't elect the civil service. they elected dominic raab to tell the civil service what to do. and i think it's anti—democrat btec to not follow his wishes . do you

not follow his wishes. do you think there's a— not follow his wishes. do you think there's a sense- t“ do you think there's a sense that heuee— think there's a sense that heuee or— think there's a sense that because of all— think there's a sense that because of all of the shenanigans that went on under hone— shenanigans that went on under boris-government- shenanigans that went on under boris government with boris johnson's government with whh— boris johnson's government with with ministers— boris johnson's government with with ministers not— boris johnson's government with with ministers not being sacked for misconduct— with ministers not being sacked for misconduct and breaking the nrnrerener— for misconduct and breaking the ministerial code— for misconduct and breaking the ministerial code that we've seen horn— ministerial code that we've seen horh ue— ministerial code that we've seen horh uz huee— ministerial code that we've seen both liz truss and— ministerial code that we've seen both liz truss and rishi sunak eeruehy— both liz truss and rishi sunak eeruehy he— both liz truss and rishi sunak actually be quite— both liz truss and rishi sunak actually be quite heavy handed whh— actually be quite heavy handed with ministers. _ actually be quite heavy handed with ministers. �*vw�*rt; actually be quite heavy handed with ministers. we saw liz truss sack, conor burns, we seen rishi sunak let go of dominic raab. do you think perhaps they're being— do you think perhaps they're herng heewy— do you think perhaps they're being heavy handed because boris rohneon— being heavy handed because boris rohneon wee— being heavy handed because boris johnson was too— being heavy handed because boris johnson was too light touch ? johnson was too light touch? keen.— johnson was too light touch? veeh. enu— johnson was too light touch? yeah, and this— johnson was too light touch? yeah, and this is,— johnson was too light touch? yeah, and this is, this- johnson was too light touch? yeah, and this is, this is- yeah, and this is, this is a tale as old as time. you know, people in the civil service, they don't want, they don't want people that they don't agree with albie with ideologically albie and they who make they don't want people who make them because that's them do work because that's nobody the public sector nobody joins the public sector to do work. so they use to do any work. so they use weapons such as bullying allegations to get people dethroned from their positions and i mean, i think i think rishi was a bit hasty to get rid of dominic raab. i think the electorate liked the idea of somebody going in and shaking things up bit. so yeah, things up a bit. so yeah, i think it was, it was too soon.

but. leo do you reckon that they wouru— but. leo do you reckon that they wouru newe— but. leo do you reckon that they wouru hewe e— leo do you reckon that they would have a problem if it was a rehour— would have a problem if it was a labour minister— would have a problem if it was a labour minister telling them to do labour minister telling them to no where— labour minister telling them to do things because actually they nrehr— do things because actually they nrghr eure— do things because actually they might quite like— do things because actually they might quite like the policies rher— might quite like the policies that-labour— might quite like the policies that labour government that the labour government are rerhng— that the labour government are telling—isl telling them to put in place. is rhe— telling them to put in place. is he he— telling them to put in place. is he he rhe— telling them to put in place. is this, is this an— telling them to put in place. is this, is this an ideological prohrene — this, is this an ideological problem? ' crtgr «wilt? this, is this an ideological- problem? absolutely, yes. so the woke blob, mean, it's no, it's woke blob, i mean, it's no, it's no secret that civil no secret that the civil service, the public sector are overwhelmingly left wing. so they don't want to do the bidding of dominic raab and the government, who were elected by the people. they don't want to do people want to do what the people want them to do. and seen this in the, do. and we've seen this in the, you know, the chats that were coming in the home office, coming up in the home office, people, people civil people, people posting civil servants they servants posting that they they disagreed so strongly the disagreed so strongly with the rwanda plan. and they were going to they were going to the to they were going to leave the civil service as soon as they picked up their pension. so yeah, mean, they don't want to yeah, i mean, they don't want to do the government tells do what the government tells them . that's that's them to do. and that's that's that's problem . i that's part of the problem. i mean, i think that's obviously eonprerery— mean, i think that's obviously completely ridiculous. and the rrurh— completely ridiculous. and the rrurh-owh— completely ridiculous. and the truth civil servants are truth is that civil servants are the ones who had do the the ones who had to do the actual yards of out actual hard yards of working out how you undid 50 years of being

in the eu. that's been an rnererhhry— t“ that's been an incredibly laborious process and it's incredibly laborious process and he reeereee— incredibly laborious process and it's faceless people that we eon-r— it's faceless people that we eon-r know, — it's faceless people that we don't know, whose names we don't see don't know, whose names we don't h— don't know, whose names we don't n he— don't know, whose names we don't n he ee— don't know, whose names we don't see in the news actually don't know, whose names we don't see to the news actually don't know, whose names we don't see to do news actually don't know, whose names we don't see to do that. actually don't know, whose names we don't see to do that. whenictually don't know, whose names we don't see to do that. when dominic had to do that. when dominic keen— had to do that. when dominic keen hor— had to do that. when dominic raab, for example, when he was roreren— foreign secretary, was eooerenrry— foreign secretary, was apparently go and apparently too lazy to go and eon— apparently too lazy to go and eon our— apparently too lazy to go and sort out people's— apparently too lazy to go and sort out people's lives being at nek— sort out people's lives being at nek h— sort out people's lives being at risk in afghanistan, he claimed the risk in afghanistan, he claimed rhe-eroeeu.— risk in afghanistan, he claimed the-closed. so- risk in afghanistan, he claimed the closed. so this idea the sea was closed. so this idea , vou— the sea was closed. so this idea , you know,— the sea was closed. so this idea , you know, often— the sea was closed. so this idea , you know, often bullies are he— , you know, often bullies are rhe-heohre— , you know, often bullies are rhe-heohre ,— , you know, often bullies are the people , right? "car ”cl the lazy people, right? they're rryrng— the lazy people, right? they're trying overcompensate for trying to overcompensate for their inadequacies. and i their own inadequacies. and i think raab might— their own inadequacies. and i think raab might be- their own inadequacies. and i think raab might be in- ::t andi think raab might be in that eenh. — think raab might be in that eenp. weir.— think raab might be in that camp. well, it's- think raab might be in that camp. c g camp. well, it's great that you bnng camp. well, it's great that you bring up brexit as an example of something service something that the civil service has the brakes on and has really put the brakes on and tried to tried to get in the way and make a mess of because they don't to succeed. they don't want it to succeed. they don't want it to succeed. they don't something that their don't want something that their ideology to, ideology hinckley opposed to, such brexit, be a success. such as brexit, to be a success. do know what, having spoken do you know what, having spoken to people within the civil service, of service, actually the sort of political isn't the political ideology isn't the biggest it's the fact, biggest problem. it's the fact, as you biggest problem. it's the fact, ee you end— biggest problem. it's the fact, ee you eere h— biggest problem. it's the fact, as you said in your— gg it's the fact, as you said in your little eheeeh— as you said in your little speech there,— as you said in your little speech there, there's a culture of speech there, there's a culture or none— speech there, there's a culture or doing he— speech there, there's a culture of doing the bare— speech there, there's a culture of doing the bare minimum enoneer— of doing the bare minimum amongst some— of doing the bare minimum amongst some of them, whereas of there— amongst some of them, whereas of rhere ee— amongst some of them, whereas of course there are brilliant peohre—ewhl course there are brilliant- people-civil service people within the civil service . keny— people within the civil service . weny-roh— people within the civil service . many top graduates go . many of our top graduates go

inro— . many of our top graduates go into-owi— . many of our top graduates go into-civil-and- into the civil service and they-re— into the civil service and they're working. but there they're hard working. but there are they're hard working. but there ere—eo— they're hard working. but there ere—ho reke- they're hard working. but there are-do take the- they're hard working. but there are do take the mick are some who do take the mick enu— are some who do take the mick and we've seen how many are eruek— and we've seen how many are eruek workrng— and we've seen how many are stuck working from home for far roneer— stuck working from home for far kongo-neopre— stuck working from home for far longer people other longer than people in other hueneeeee— longer than people in other businesses other areas of businesses and other areas of the. — businesses and other areas of the. 1th— businesses and other areas of life. -think that's- businesses and other areas of life. think that's got life. so i think that's got eonerhrne— life. so i think that's got something to— life. so i think that's got something to do with it. a bit of incompetence,— something to do with it. a bit of incompetence, perhaps? yeah. anu— of incompetence, perhaps? yeah. ann—eel and so much presenteeism as weh. — and so much presenteeism as weh. |neen— and so much presenteeism as well. imean, when- and so much presenteeism as well. “ t“ : and so much presenteeism as. well. imean, when iworked in well. i mean, when i worked in the sector, all you had well. i mean, when i worked in lh1d0 sector, all you had well. i mean, when i worked in lh1d0 was sector, all you had well. i mean, when i worked in lh1d0 was turn or, all you had well. i mean, when i worked in lh1d0 was turn up all you had well. i mean, when i worked in lh1d0 was turn up with ou had well. i mean, when i worked in lh1d0 was turn up with a had well. i mean, when i worked in lh1d0 was turn up with a with to do was turn up with a with a suit and a tie on and sit there and you could be doing whatever as long as you looked like you might possibly be working. but now don't even have to do now you don't even have to do that. more about that. everybody say more about you, it does about, you, leo, than it does about, you, leo, than it does about, you your you know, your former colleagues. was the culture. colleagues. it was the culture. nothing. nothing to do me. nothing. nothing to do with me. i've absorbed it by i've just absorbed it by osmosis. fact that still osmosis. the fact that i still do it news is completely if do it gb news is completely if i want to know, do we need more bullying? why do we need more hurrying-e — bullying? why do we need more hurryinge we— bullying? why do we need more bullying? we need— bullying? why do we need more bullying? we need to- bullying? why do we need morei bullying? we need to-back bullying? we need to bring back bullying. look the state of bullying. look at the state of young people now. we need to bnng young people now. we need to bring back national service. we need people need bullying. all these people saying, oh, words are violence. no, violence is no, they're not violence is violence violence. and you violence is violence. and you should some. but if should be getting some. but if you're if your daughter- : g “g but if you're if your daughter was being— you're if your daughter was being-er— you're if your daughter was being at nursery, would

you're if your daughter was beir say at nursery, would you're if your daughter was beirsay that at nursery, would you're if your daughter was beir say that we nursery, would you're if your daughter was beir say that we needzry, would you're if your daughter was beir say that we need more )uld you say that we need more hurryinge — you say that we need more hurryinge we.— you say that we need more bullying? no, of- you say that we need more bullying? \rrtr rtrtr. you say that we need more bullying? \rtr t you say that we need more bullying? \rrt.r rt.rtr. bullying? no, of course not. but my daughter is going to be taught as soon as she walk. taught as soon as she can walk. so to be the bully. so she's going to be the bully. i mean, think there is a real i mean, i think there is a real thing here that people actually see, even if you give see, even though if you give an example albie did, example like albie just did, then say, oh, i want then they would say, oh, i want my to bullied. or if my kid to be bullied. or if they've maybe been- r: : or if they've maybe been on the receiving— they've maybe been on the receiving end,— they've maybe been on the receiving end, they might be ewerelhow— receiving end, they might be aware-how it— receiving end, they might be aware-how it can- receiving end, they might be aware how it can it can have aware of how it can it can have aware of how it can it can have e-eheer— aware of how it can it can have e-eheer on— aware of how it can it can have e-eheer on e— aware of how it can it can have a effect on a person. a real effect on a person. but eorueuy— a real effect on a person. but eorueuy when — a real effect on a person. but actually when they look at politicians, whether it's this dominic case go back to dominic raab case or go back to gordon who was of gordon brown, who was accused of bullying when he bullying quite famously when he was accused was prime minister, accused of throwing let alone throwing a phone, let alone a cherry tomato phones were big in those days. they were 2009, but enu— those days. they were 2009, but end-wonder— those days. they were 2009, but and-wonder whether- : they were 2009, but and wonder whether people and so i wonder whether people eeruehy— actually quite like the attraction— actually quite like the attraction bullying attraction of bullying from other— attraction of bullying from other- because - attraction of bullying from other-because it other people because they see it as a as a code word— other people because they see it as a as a code word for tough when— as a as a code word for tough when actually— as a as a code word for tough when actually when they're on the-enu— when actually when they're on the-end or- when actually when they're on the-end of it,- when actually when they're on the end of it, they the receiving end of it, they renu— the receiving end of it, they tend—complete. tend to take the complete oppoerre— tend to take the complete opposite because they know opposite view because they know it's opposite view because they know rte—heroine- opposite view because they know it's—helping peoplei it's probably not helping people to it's probably not helping people ro—reer— to work hard or feel comfortable. to work hard or feel- comfortable-absolutely. to work hard or feel— comfortable-absolutely. comfortable. yeah, absolutely. anu— comfortable. yeah, absolutely. andlthink— comfortable. yeah, absolutely. and ithink-adults- comfortable. yeah, absolutely. andlthinkiadults to- and i think for adults to complain bullying, i think complain about bullying, i think you've to you've to you've got to you've got to evolve to you've got to learn

evolve to be you've got to learn to bit more assertive and to be a bit more assertive and stand up to people. mean, in stand up to people. i mean, in school also, i think i think, you know, inoculates you know, bullying inoculates children world. children for the adult world. so, they toughen so, you know, they toughen up when bit of when they receive a bit of i mean, i was bullied heavily and clearly. i'm incredibly tough. so clearly. i'm incredibly tough. so her— clearly. i'm incredibly tough. so that explains— clearly. i'm incredibly tough. so that explains it.- t i'm incredibly tough. so that explains it. well, there you— so that explains it. well, there you go. — so that explains it. well, there you go-lhasn't_ so that explains it. well, there you go. hasn't impacted you you go. it hasn't impacted you at you go. it hasn't impacted you er—hur- you go. it hasn't impacted you er—hur you- you go. it hasn't impacted youi at_but you know at all, benjamin. but you know when— at all, benjamin. but you know when-rookrne- at all, benjamin. but you know what,-looking at- at all, benjamin. but you know what, looking at some of what, though, looking at some of the—rhet— what, though, looking at some of the—rher wee- what, though, looking at some of the that were made, the allegations that were made, apparently— the allegations that were made, apparently complained the allegations that were made, appartdominic complained the allegations that were made, appartdominic raab complained the allegations that were made, appartdominic raab afterplained the allegations that were made, appartdominic raab after he'd ed about dominic raab after he'd neeeee— messed up the brexit negotiations with gibraltar eorneeneeor— negotiations with gibraltar. competence. _ not competence. right. that's not hurrying.— competence. right. that's not hurrying. nur— competence. right. that's not bullying. but anyway, folks, up neon— bullying. but anyway, folks, up neon-gone— bullying. but anyway, folks, up next, going emily next, it's going to be emily cowrn—ro- next, it's going to be emily colvin._to telli next, it's going to be emily. colvin._to tell us colvin. she's going to tell us why— colvin. she's going to tell us why-judge— colvin. she's going to tell us why-judge wee- colvin. she's going to tell us why judge was right to why the judge was right to sentence dartford crossing sentence the dartford crossing bridge-— sentence the dartford crossing bridge. sailors— sentence the dartford crossing bridge. sailors from the just shon— bridge. sailors from the just shop on— bridge. sailors from the just shop on ro— bridge. sailors from the just stop oil to prison start the eroek— stop oil to prison start the eroek . — stop oil to prison start the clock . well,— stop oil to prison start the clock . well, well,- stop oil to prison start the clock . �*vw�*rtgt stop oil to prison start the- clock . well, well, well. how the clock. well, well, well. how the mighty have fallen. it must have seemed like such a cunning plan to scale the bridge over the dartford crossing and hoist a just stop oil banner for all to see. for and wide. but unfortunately- for and wide. but unfortunately for the two lads rnwowee— unfortunately for the two lads rnwowee h— unfortunately for the two lads involved in this— unfortunately for the two lads involved in this particular ehunh— involved in this particular erunr. they— involved in this particular stunt, they found they've been horereu— stunt, they found they've been horereu hy— stunt, they found they've been hoisted by their— stunt, they found they've been hoisted by their own petard, hewen-r— hoisted by their own petard, haven't they? _ hoisted by their own petard, haven't they? "car ”rt; grtr “g

haven't they? they're going to be spending years in prison as a result , and i be spending years in prison as a result, and i think that's absolutely the right decision now of course, there are lawyers, activist lawyers like jolyon maugham, best known for clubbing a fox to death wearing his wife's kimono, who say who come out in defence of the pair. he says they're prisoners of conscience. he says they're victims of a morally abject set science decision. but i say the judge is absolutely right to jail. these plonkers i want more of this. i want more of these tough sentences for these people. they break the law. they disrupt our lives. and that's that. disrupt our lives. and that's that . well done . well, there we that. well done. well, there we go. i finished a little bit too soon now , albie, i'll come to soon now, albie, i'll come to you on we'll say nothing. now, there's been quite a lot of there's been quite a lot of people . there. i mean , i was people. there. i mean, i was going to say, this is a serious show, but no, it's not. it's a fun show on a saturday night. albie now, there have been some people in the commentary act and

lawyers like julianne moore who've said that this is a ridiculous sentence for what could be seen as a peaceful protest . what do you think? i protest. what do you think? i think the sentence does seem outre— think the sentence does seem quite rough— think the sentence does seem quite tough .— think the sentence does seem quite tough . r— think the sentence does seem quite tough . i am in favour of quite tough. i am in favour of rough— quite tough. i am in favour of tough sentencing— quite tough. i am in favour of tough sentencing for serious hur— tough sentencing for serious hur r— tough sentencing for serious crimes, but i am— tough sentencing for serious crimes, but i am actually also eeurery— crimes, but i am actually also eeurery ewere— crimes, but i am actually also acutely aware that prisons are owereroweee— acutely aware that prisons are overcrowded and _ acutely aware that prisons are overcrowded and we cannot house all overcrowded and we cannot house eh or— overcrowded and we cannot house eh or he— overcrowded and we cannot house eh or the peohre— overcrowded and we cannot house all of the people that need to go to — all of the people that need to go to hneon— all of the people that need to go to hneon. so— all of the people that need to go to prison. so is— all of the people that need to go to prison. so is this the beer— go to prison. so is this the tee uee— go to prison. so is this the best use? in— go to prison. so is this the best use? in my- go to prison. so is this the best use? in my opinion, of huhhe— best use? in my opinion, of public sector— best use? in my opinion, of public sector money, of reopeyere— public sector money, of taxpayers money sending these neopre— taxpayers money sending these heoore ro— taxpayers money sending these people to prison?— taxpayers money sending these people to prison? i might agree with— people to prison? i might agree with he— people to prison? i might agree with the reor— people to prison? i might agree with the fact that— people to prison? i might agree with the fact that they've been eenreneeu— with the fact that they've been sentenced harshly , but then if i sentenced harshly, but then if i rhrnk— sentenced harshly, but then if i rth ehouru— sentenced harshly, but then if i think should they— sentenced harshly, but then if i think should they actually be in hneon— think should they actually be in hneon. ehouru— think should they actually be in prison, should taxpayers be paying—in. prison, should taxpayers be- heyrng—h hneone paying for them to be in prison? is paying for them to be in prison? re-enorher— paying for them to be in prison? is-another way— paying for them to be in prison? is another way they is there another way that they eoure — is there another way that they could-punished? - is there another way that they could punished? �*vw�*rtgt could be punished? well, they've been— could be punished? well, they've been apparently cost the been they've apparently cost the economy thousands economy hundreds of thousands of pounds business doing pounds in business by doing this. course, you know, this. and of course, you know, there pregnant there was one heavily pregnant woman couldn't get to woman who couldn't get to hospital. another person couldn't go to a funeral of her best friend. there already costing us a lot, aren't they, darren? absolutely and this all

comes darren? absolutely and this all er— darren? absolutely and this all comes at a time,— darren? absolutely and this all comes at a time, as— darren? absolutely and this all comes at a time, as you- ';�*trtt”rt;“7’ ' trtty and this all comes at a time, as you well know.— comes at a time, as you well know. where— comes at a time, as you well know, where the— comes at a time, as you well know, where the nhs is on its keee— know, where the nhs is on its keee nonre— know, where the nhs is on its knees, right? and _ know, where the nhs is on its knees, right? and people can't rowe— knees, right? and people can't hove no— knees, right? and people can't hove no oey— knees, right? and people can't love no money, get old. well they— love no money, get old. well they cen— love no money, get old. well they h— love no money, get old. well they can if they've got money, hur— they can if they've got money, huh-ger— they can if they've got money, huh-oer e- they can if they've got money, huh-oer e or- but they can't get a gp appointment- but they can't get a gp appointment and they can't get to hoehher— appointment and they can't get to hoepher h— appointment and they can't get to hospital in time. ambulance wetting—rhe- waiting times through the roof. if waiting times through the roof. h-wee— waiting times through the roof. h-wee going— waiting times through the roof. h-wee going io- waiting times through the roof. if was going to swear if some i was going to swear there— if some i was going to swear there if— if some i was going to swear there if eoe— if some i was going to swear there if some plonker is in the ninetie— there if some plonker is in the niiiie or— there if some plonker is in the middle of the— there if some plonker is in the middle of the road right hioeking— middle of the road right blocking an— middle of the road right blocking an ambulance from getting— blocking an ambulance from getting through, going getting through, that's going to exeeerheie— getting through, that's going to exacerbate problem . i saw exacerbate that problem. i saw ioiey— exacerbate that problem. i saw ioiey two— exacerbate that problem. i saw today two coppers, two cop cars in honi— today two coppers, two cop cars were in front of— today two coppers, two cop cars were in front of what was a just shon— were in front of what was a just sroh ei— were in front of what was a just stop oil blockade— were in front of what was a just stop oil blockade and a guy said to he— stop oil blockade and a guy said to the coppersr_ stop oil blockade and a guy said to the coppers, what are you going— to the coppers, what are you going io— to the coppers, what are you going to ho— to the coppers, what are you going to do about them? and the cop going to do about them? and the eon retried.— going to do about them? and the cop replied, they've got a right to he— cop replied, they've got a right to he there— cop replied, they've got a right to be there now— cop replied, they've got a right to be there now ._ cop replied, they've got a right to be there now . i've got to be there now. i've got a right— to be there now. i've got a righi io— to be there now. i've got a right to gei— to be there now. i've got a right to get to— to be there now. i've got a right to get to a- to be there now. i've got a right to get to a hospital. ihenk— right to get to a hospital. ihenk you— right to get to a hospital. thank you very— right to get to a hospital. thank you very much,- right to get to a hospital. thank you very much, darren. but benjamin, do you think the judge was right to make an example of these plonkers as you might call them? or do you think you know, a bit too tough? i mean, you know.— a bit too tough? i mean, you know. neny— a bit too tough? i mean, you know, many great— c g7 i mean, you know, many great social warriors for know, many great social warriors ror rhet— know, many great social warriors for causes that we— know, many great social warriors for causes that we now accept went— for causes that we now accept went to — for causes that we now accept went to prieon— for causes that we now accept went to prison . _ for causes that we now accept went to prison . /rtr. for causes that we now accept went to prison . /rt.r. k“ went to prison. you know, nelson mandela spent a long time you're not going to mention the

suffragettes mandela suffragettes are you? mandela spent prison spent many years in prison records that we now widely accept obviously the right accept was obviously the right one. look to the one. you know look back to the early of the gay rights early movement of the gay rights movement lots them would movement when lots of them would do techniques we do similar techniques to what we now extinction now see from extinction rebellion, get rebellion, and they would get pulled court and go to pulled up in court and go to prison in cases for that. prison in some cases for that. and no one says that being and now no one says that being gay should be a criminal offence. and i think that's what these doing . the these eco people are doing. the truth that we have a climate truth is that we have a climate crisis are crisis coming and they are trying us from walking trying to stop us from walking into that or sinking into i thought already come. thought it had already come. leo yeah, it's an absolute leo yeah, and it's an absolute nonsense. they've- leo yeah, and it's an absolute nonsense. “cg grtr leo yeah, and it's an absolute nonsense. grtr nonsense. they've got these ideals. want all to go ideals. they want us all to go back living in a cave, you back to living in a cave, you know, around a toilet. know, huddling around a toilet. it's going to work. look at it's not going to work. look at china, at india. they're china, look at india. they're burning coal. whatever burning so much coal. whatever we to make any we do isn't going to make any difference all from difference at all apart from ruin. standard our lives ruin. the standard of our lives andifs ruin. the standard of our lives and it's a safety issue. prison needs deterrent for needs to be a deterrent for these people because as we've seen, as you pointed out, the police aiding and abetting police are aiding and abetting them. to them. so they need to be deterred. and paper that deterred. and the paper that hentenin— deterred. and the paper that benjamin likes— 3: and the paper that benjamin likes quite a lot hoeiei— benjamin likes quite a lot posted stats— benjamin likes quite a lot posted stats recently from enhuienee— posted stats recently from ambulance saying posted stats recently from - ambulance - saying that

posted stats recently from - an people e - saying that posted stats recently from - an people a - saying that posted stats recently from anpeople a day saying that posted stats recently from anpeople a day lastsaying that posted stats recently from anpeople a day last yearg that posted stats recently from anpeople a day last year weret 15 people a day last year were brought— 15 people a day last year were brought in— 15 people a day last year were brought in for— 15 people a day last year were brought in for hypothermia idea heuee— brought in for hypothermia idea heeeuee-reer— brought in for hypothermia idea because-fact they- brought in for hypothermia idea because fact they cannot because of the fact they cannot ehori — because of the fact they cannot ehori ruei. — because of the fact they cannot afford fuel. so— because of the fact they cannot afford fuel. so i'm— because of the fact they cannot afford fuel. so i'm afraid you neopre— afford fuel. so i'm afraid you heooie ee— afford fuel. so i'm afraid you people are exacerbating that oneie— people are exacerbating that so— people are exacerbating that crisis. so poor— people are exacerbating that crisis. so poor old people who are terrified— crisis. so poor old people who are terrified to— crisis. so poor old people who are terrified to put the heating on, you're making that ten times weir.— on, you're making that ten times worse. well, there— on, you're making that ten times worse. well, there is the heeiing. — worse. well, there is the heering. so— worse. well, there is the heating. so expensive is because of heating. so expensive is because or eoe— heating. so expensive is because of hoor- — heating. so expensive is because of some poor. some, you know, iierere— of some poor. some, you know, dictate-russia.— of some poor. some, you know, dictate-russia. it's- of some poor. some, you know, dictate russia. it's because dictate in russia. it's because eerueiiy— dictate in russia. it's because eeiueiiy we— dictate in russia. it's because actually we-are- actually we have we are a neiurei— actually we have we are a natural resource- actually we have we are a natural resource rich country. we— natural resource rich country. we newe— natural resource rich country. we have resources here that you are we have resources here that you eeying— we have resources here that you eeying we— we have resources here that you are saying we cannot exploit heuee— are saying we cannot exploit because we must be you know, a ehining— because we must be you know, a ehining heeeon— because we must be you know, a shining beacon to— because we must be you know, a shining beacon to the world of the— shining beacon to the world of this madness— shining beacon to the world of this madness ._ shining beacon to the world of this madness . i— shining beacon to the world of this madness . i mean, nothing this madness. i mean, nothing ehowe— this madness. i mean, nothing ehowe ihe— this madness. i mean, nothing shows the idiocy— this madness. i mean, nothing shows the idiocy in the short iernien — shows the idiocy in the short iernien or— shows the idiocy in the short termism of your— shows the idiocy in the short termism of your argument, like the reor— termism of your argument, like the feet iner— termism of your argument, like the fact that if— termism of your argument, like the fact that if you're worried ehoui— the fact that if you're worried ehour neopre— the fact that if you're worried about people hyper about people getting hyper ihernie— about people getting hyper. thermia_from thermia or people dying from heei— thermia or people dying from heei-whieh— thermia or people dying from heat-which are- thermia or people dying from heat which are going up heat waves, which are going up in heat waves, which are going up hnu-nhere— heat waves, which are going up in-numbers, well,- heat waves, which are going up in numbers, well, you're in record numbers, well, you're going—none- in record numbers, well, you're going—more or- in record numbers, well, you're going more of those going to have far more of those eirerne— going to have far more of those extreme -events. - extreme weather events. we eireeiy— extreme weather events. we eireeiy — extreme weather events. we already are because climate already are because of climate ehenge— already are because of climate ehenge. vou— already are because of climate change. you said— already are because of climate change. you said that in the ewee— change. you said that in the 19705, 1980s,— change. you said that in the 19705, 19805, 19905. change. you said that in the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s. guess what? ihe— 1970s, 1980s, 1990s. guess what? ihe worri— 1970s, 1980s, 1990s. guess what? the world hasn't— 1970s, 1980s, 1990s. guess what? the world hasn't burnt to a orieh. — the world hasn't burnt to a crisp. actually,— the world hasn't burnt to a crisp. actually, the world is considerably— crisp. actually, the world is considerably hotter now. you know.— know, you see incredible flooring— know, you see incrediblei flooding—last know, you see incredible- flooding_last year flooding in germany last year iner— flooding in germany last year that—numbers.- flooding in germany last yeari that—numbers. you that killed huge numbers. you

e rhini— that killed huge numbers. you saw a third of— that killed huge numbers. you saw a third of bangladesh under weer — saw a third of bangladesh under were -eew— saw a third of bangladesh under water. -saw the— saw a third of bangladesh under water. saw the worst water. you saw the worst wiirriree— water. you saw the worst wildfires in— water. you saw the worst wildfires in australia in hierory.— wildfires in australia in history.-don't- wildfires in australia in history. don't you explain history. why don't you explain her.— history. why don't you explain that, darren?— history. why don't you explain that, darren? how about let's go heek— that, darren? how about let's go heeklrhe— that, darren? how about let's go back the sentencing issue for back to the sentencing issue for rheee— back to the sentencing issue for rheee-ihe— back to the sentencing issue for these-the judge- back to the sentencing issue for. these-the judge obviously these guys. the judge obviously wanted of wanted to make an example of these guys. if it's not if they're not going to be imprisoned. leo, what do you reckon alternative punishment reckon an alternative punishment could i because there could be? i think because there inrenr— could be? i think because there new on— could be? i think because there intent on everybody— t: zrrt;7 i think because there intent on everybody bringing down— intent on everybody bringing down _footprintl intent on everybody bringingi down _footprint to down their carbon footprint to i i — down their carbon footprint to zero-ii rhink— down their carbon footprint to zero. .i think they- down their carbon footprint to zero. i think they should zero. so i think they should newe— zero. so i think they should hewe rheir— zero. so i think they should have their carbon footprint hroughr— have their carbon footprint hroughr ro— have their carbon footprint brought to zero— have their carbon footprint brought to zero by throwing them off brought to zero by throwing them orr-hrirge— brought to zero by throwing them orr-hrirge .— brought to zero by throwing them off-bridge . wow.— brought to zero by throwing them off bridge . wow. okay. we off that bridge. wow. okay. we do off that bridge. wow. okay. we to nor— off that bridge. wow. okay. we to nor wenr— off that bridge. wow. okay. we do not want any— off that bridge. wow. okay. we do not want any violence. i must say do not want any violence. i must eey rhee— do not want any violence. i must eey rher. you— do not want any violence. i must say that, you know, ofcom might tell us off for that , but albie tell us off for that, but albie . if not, if not prison, what else could be a good could be a good punishment, do some kind of community service, do something helpful, do something useful. you know , i think prison should you know, i think prison should be you know, i think prison should he reeener— you know, i think prison should be reserved for— you know, i think prison should be reserved for the most serious oheneee— be reserved for the most serious orreneee. in— be reserved for the most serious offences. i'm not— be reserved for the most serious offences. i'm not really a fan offences. i'm not really a fan or reorie— offences. i'm not really a fan or heooie huer— offences. i'm not really a fan of people just being made erenhiee— of people just being made exenpiee or— of people just being made examples of to— of people just being made examples of to just get kind of nerie— examples of to just get kind of media headlines.— examples of to just get kind of media headlines. i think prison is media headlines. i think prison ie rhee— media headlines. i think prison ie rhere. ir— media headlines. i think prison is there. it plays— media headlines. i think prison is there. it plays an important roie— is there. it plays an important roieleoeiery. — is there. it plays an important role-society. do— is there. it plays an important role-society. do i- is there. it plays an important role society. do i think role in society. do i think rheee— role in society. do i think rheee reorie— role in society. do i think these people should be to

these people should be going to orieon— these people should be going to prieonlyeeree— these people should be going to prison-years? i'm— these people should be going to prison years? i'm just not prison for years? i'm just not sure.imean, let's- prison for years? i'm just not sure. mean, let's honest. sure. i mean, let's be honest. vou— sure. i mean, let's be honest. you we've seen lots of you know, we've seen lots of eroriee— you know, we've seen lots of stories . people _ you know, we've seen lots of stories people have stories of people that have connirrer— stories of people that havei committed _for committed sex offences, for erennie— committed sex offences, for example, serious things example, really serious things rher—erreer- example, really serious things that—effect on. example, really serious thingsi that—effect on the that have a huge effect on the reer— that have a huge effect on the reerlrhe— that have a huge effect on the rest-the victim's— that have a huge effect on the rest the victim's life, not rest of the victim's life, not gerring— rest of the victim's life, not getting custodial sentence, rhough— getting custodial sentence, though, because none of us are eeying— though, because none of us are eeying rher— though, because none of us are eeying rher we— though, because none of us are saying that we don't want those reorie— saying that we don't want those heooie ro — saying that we don't want those heooie ro erey— saying that we don't want those heooie ro erey in— saying that we don't want those people to stay in prison for iongen— people to stay in prison for ionger. hur— people to stay in prison for longer. but it's— people to stay in prison for longer. but it's not whataboutery because in whataboutery because we know in the whataboutery because we know in he ieer— whataboutery because we know in he ieer-or— whataboutery because we know in the last-of years- whataboutery because we know in the last of years you've the last couple of years you've her— the last couple of years you've her-neking— the last couple of years you've had making decisions had judges making decisions ehour— about whether someone gets a orieon—on- about whether someone gets a orieon—on rhe- about whether someone gets a prison _on the fact. prison cell based on the fact rher— prison cell based on the fact rher-ere— prison cell based on the fact rher-ere very- prison cell based on the fact that-are very few- prison cell based on the fact that are very few prison that there are very few prison eerie. —nor- that there are very few prison cells.-not puttingi cells. so they're not putting rhen — cells. so they're not putting them . precisely. - cells. so they're not putting them precisely. and cells. so they're not putting them lprecisely. and do them in precisely. and so how do you-rher— them in precisely. and so how do you-that circle?- them in precisely. and so how do you-that circle? is- them in precisely. and so how do you that circle? is this you square that circle? is this hereone— you square that circle? is this hereone-know. — you square that circle? is this person? know, and i think person? you know, and i think wher—wee- person? you know, and i think- what_was dangerous. what they did was was dangerous. irighre— what they did was was dangerous. irighre-no— what they did was was dangerous. irighre-no gerring- what they did was was dangerous. right? no getting around right? there's no getting around rher.— right? there's no getting around rher. een— right? there's no getting around that, even though— right? there's no getting around that, even though i support the cause. can understand why cause. so i can understand why it cause. so i can understand why ir-erininei— cause. so i can understand why it-criminal-butl it was a criminal offence. but is it was a criminal offence. but ie-reeiiy— it was a criminal offence. but is-really more- is society really more threatened- is society really morei threatened-eco is society really more- threatened-eco protester threatened by that eco protester rhen— threatened by that eco protester n...— threatened by that eco protester rhenl you— threatened by that eco protester than-, you know,- threatened by that eco protester than , you know, someone than it is, you know, someone who-e— than it is, you know, someone who's-something- than it is, you know, someone who's something paedophilic who's done something paedophilic or—weii.- who's done something paedophilic or—weii. i- who's done something paedophilic or—weii. i gueeei or a sex offender? well, i guess it depends on. firstly, i do think right that this think you're right that this judge decision set judge took this decision to set an example and that in way an example and that in one way or potentially or another you could potentially argue that it was politically motivated, also because for motivated, but also because for so protesters so long these protesters have been disrupt . but been allowed to disrupt. but these people weren't first time

offenders, one of offenders, or at least one of them was a repeat them wasn't was a repeat offender this of thing . offender of this kind of thing. and . okay, public and the disruption. okay, public nuisance might not sound as bad as you know , sexual as obviously, you know, sexual assault or something like that . assault or something like that. but the disruption that it caused is, is huge. and you mentioned julian qc or whatever his name is, casey now isn't it? but he was saying actually he rrying— but he was saying actually he rrying ro— but he was saying actually he rrying ro ger— but he was saying actually he was trying to get all his mates in rhe— was trying to get all his mates in he turieiery— was trying to get all his mates in the judiciary to— was trying to get all his mates in the judiciary to say that rhey— in the judiciary to say that they wouldn't— in the judiciary to say that they wouldn't ever go after. no. weir— they wouldn't ever go after. no. weii coming— they wouldn't ever go after. no. weir eoning uh— they wouldn't ever go after. no. well coming up after the break, rher— well coming up after the break, rher wee— well coming up after the break, rher e— well coming up after the break, that was a fun— well coming up after the break, that was a fun one. c that was a fun one. it's darren's debate. darren is going to tell us why. it's about time we stopped being ashamed of being english. don't go away .

listening to gb news radio . listening to gb news radio. weioone— listening to gb news radio. welcome back— listening to gb news radio. welcome back to— listening to gb news radio. welcome back to the- listening to gb news radio. welcome back to the saturday five. as always, thank you for all of your emails about tonight's topics. claire has written in. she said, i wish you would stop generalising about

civil servants. i'm a probation officer. i in a prison. the officer. i work in a prison. the staff are all civil servants. we do task working with do a thankless task working with dangerous not dangerous people every day. not all servants are lazy. c all civil servants are lazy. c not everyone's like you. leo yeah, but that's, that's- \rrt.r. . leo yeah, but that's, that's not, here— yeah, but that's, that's not, rher-e nor— yeah, but that's, that's not, that's not the— yeah, but that's, that's not, that's not the people that honinie— that's not the people that dominic raab— that's not the people that dominic raab was bullying. they were getting bullied by a rirrerenr— were getting bullied by a different section humanity. different section of humanity. weir.— different section of humanity. weir-een— different section of humanity. well,-can perhaps-in well, claire can perhaps get in touch that on the just touch on that one. on the just stop protesters, stop oil oil protesters, jacqueline too long a jacqueline said too long a sentence. don't support them, sentence. i don't support them, but a large fine. in some months these people have had than these people have had worse than some battered or some thugs who have battered or robbed people. well, robbed old people. well, there you with albie. you go. agrees with albie. i reckon. it is time for reckon. but now it is time for our next please do keep our next debate. please do keep your coming in. by the your views coming in. by the way, it is time for darren's debate. so way, it is time for darren's debate . so there is a forgotten debate. so there is a forgotten nay— debate. so there is a forgotten nay ,— debate. so there is a forgotten ney . e— debate. so there is a forgotten nay , a forbidden— 3 so there is a forgotten nay , a forbidden word that means nay, a forbidden word that means ro— nay, a forbidden word that means more to me than— nay, a forbidden word that means more to me than any other. and rher— more to me than any other. and rher worr— more to me than any other. and rher wore ie— more to me than any other. and that word is england . and that's that word is england. and that's tron— that word is england. and that's rron sir— that word is england. and that's from sir winston— that word is england. and that's from sir winston churchill, not my mourn.— from sir winston churchill, not my mouth. unfortunate but i rhink— my mouth. unfortunate but i rth he— my mouth. unfortunate but i think he was— my mouth. unfortunate but i think he was absolutely spot on. he think he was absolutely spot on. he wouir— think he was absolutely spot on. he would look— think he was absolutely spot on. he would look at— think he was absolutely spot on. he would look at this country righr— he would look at this country righr no— he would look at this country righr enr— he would look at this country right now and be— he would look at this country right now and be distraught at

the right now and be distraught at he reor— right now and be distraught at the fact that— right now and be distraught at the fact that we _ right now and be distraught at the fact that we wax lyrical ehour— the fact that we wax lyrical ehour how— the fact that we wax lyrical about how great it is that seorienr— about how great it is that scotland has— about how great it is that scotland has a- about how great it is that scotland has a parliament, the weren— scotland has a parliament, the welsh assembly— scotland has a parliament, the welsh assembly and all the rest of welsh assembly and all the rest or ir— welsh assembly and all the rest or ir. vou— welsh assembly and all the rest or ir. kou een— welsh assembly and all the rest of it. you can talk— welsh assembly and all the rest of it. you can talk about scottishness, _ of it. you can talk about scottishness, you can talk about being— scottishness, you can talk about heing weren— scottishness, you can talk about being welsh, you— scottishness, you can talk about being welsh, you can talk about being— being welsh, you can talk about heing irieh— being welsh, you can talk about being irish. but— being welsh, you can talk about being irish. but if— being welsh, you can talk about being irish. but if you dare nenrion— being irish. but if you dare mention your— being irish. but if you dare mention your english ness, you mention your engliin ness, you are mention your english ness, you e reeier— mention your english ness, you e reeier .— mention your english ness, you e reeier . e— mention your english ness, you are a racist, a horrendous rigor.— are a racist, a horrendous higor. vou— are a racist, a horrendous bigot. you must never speak of it. bigot. you must never speak of ir. ane— bigot. you must never speak of ir. and i— bigot. you must never speak of ir. and i eey— bigot. you must never speak of ir. and i eey. ro— bigot. you must never speak of it. and i say, to hell with that ingiieh— it. and i say, to hell with that ingiieh enr— it. and i say, to hell with that english and is— it. and i say, to hell with that english and is a— it. and i say, to hell with that english and is a great country. engliin and is a great country. i english and is a great country. r en— english and is a great country. r en inreneeiy— english and is a great country. i am intensely proud to be from ingienri— i am intensely proud to be from ingienr. we— i am intensely proud to be from england. we gave— i am intensely proud to be from england. we gave the world shekeeheere— england. we gave the world shakespeare ._ england. we gave the world shakespeare . we've given the shakespeare. we've given the worr— shakespeare. we've given the word eo— shakespeare. we've given the world so much— shakespeare. we've given the world so much that we should be so world so much that we should be eo inreneeiy— world so much that we should be so intensely proud— world so much that we should be so intensely proud of. and i wenr— so intensely proud of. and i wenr ro— so intensely proud of. and i want to hear— so intensely proud of. and i want to hear more about that. so r . i— want to hear more about that. so tomorrow , i urge— want to hear more about that. so tomorrow , i urge you folks be tomorrow, i urge you folks be iike— tomorrow, i urge you folks be iike ne— tomorrow, i urge you folks be iike rry— tomorrow, i urge you folks be like me, fly your— tomorrow, i urge you folks be like me, fly your flag , be loud, like me, fly your flag, be loud, be like me, fly your flag, be loud, he proud— like me, fly your flag, be loud, he proud .— like me, fly your flag, be loud, be proud , because it's about be proud, because it's about rime— be proud, because it's about rine rher— be proud, because it's about time that the— be proud, because it's about time that the english, like all four— time that the english, like all four constituent— time that the english, like all four constituent parts of our county.— four constituent parts of our eounrry. — four constituent parts of our country, were loud and proud. woof.— country, were loud and proud. woof. weir— country, were loud and proud. woof. weir you— country, were loud and proud. woof. well you could- country, were loud and proud. woof. well you could take. take a breath now, darren right. leo scotland, right? yeah. you can't wirhour— scotland, right? yeah. you can't move without the _ t: g“.7 yeah. you can't move without the saltire being wieihie. — move without the saltire being wieihie. ar— move without the saltire being visible. at some—

move without the saltire being visible. at some point, right? keen.— visible. at some point, right? veeh. keen.— visible. at some point, right? yeah. yeah. scotland's- visible. at some point, right? “cir?“ “cir?“ t 3 ,. yeah. yeah. scotland's been taken over by nationalists. so why is it the case that if you fly saint george's flag in england, you're some kind of swivel eyed racist? well, i think england is seen as the straight man countries straight white man of countries . you can as this all . you can seen as this all powerful entity and anything you say against england is a good thing. and i think it's ridiculous. and i think, you know, scotland is terrible at scotland has its parliament, scotland has its own parliament, scottish britain scottish and used to run britain all the all the greatest politicians were scots in westminster now we're westminster and now we're way off parochial little off in some parochial little town up in edinburgh. it's town hall up in edinburgh. it's ridiculous. yeah, i ridiculous. but yeah, i think i think it's a that england think it's a shame that england engush think it's a shame that england english people aren't more proud of england. it's it's the of england. it's the it's the seat democracy and modern, seat of democracy and modern, modern western liberalism. i think it's a it's a fantastic country. and yeah, we should all be proud to be british. benjamin, are you intensely proude— benjamin, are you intensely proure wiri— benjamin, are you intensely proud? will you— benjamin, are you intensely proud? will you be out for saint george-e— proud? will you be out for saint eeorge-e hey— proud? will you be out for saint george's day tomorrow? there's no-e wenring- george's day tomorrow? there's. no-me wanting-drape no danger of me wanting to drape rher—he.— no danger of me wanting to drape rher—he. iook- that flag around me. look, i rhink— that flag around me. look, i think englishness has become eeeoeierer— think englishness has become associated well,— think englishness has become associated well, for wrong reasons, maybe. but with the reeiere— reasons, maybe. but with the reeiere wirh— reasons, maybe. but with the racists, with extremists, with

iirrie— racists, with extremists, with little englanders. and that is orren— little englanders. and that is orren wher— little englanders. and that is often what that— little englanders. and that is often what that flag resembles . often what that flag resembles. you know. — often what that flag resembles. you know. i— often what that flag resembles. you know, i have— often what that flag resembles. you know, i have a— often what that flag resembles. you know, i have a union jack rieg— you know, i have a union jack rieg er— you know, i have a union jack rieg er hone— you know, i have a union jack flag at home and— you know, i have a union jack flag at home and i have a power— flag at home and i have a oorrreir or— flag at home and i have a portrait of two— flag at home and i have a portrait of two queen's monarchs . in— portrait of two queen's monarchs . i-n reiking— portrait of two queen's monarchs . i'm talking about— portrait of two queen's monarchs . i'm talking about when it ro— . i'm talking about when it comes to the _ . i'm talking about when it comes to the english flag . i comes to the english flag. i huer— comes to the english flag. i tuer eon-r— comes to the english flag. i just don't associate that with progreeeiwe— just don't associate that with progressive modern country that i progressive modern country that i rive— progressive modern country that i iiwe in.— progressive modern country that i iiwe in. ir— progressive modern country that i live in. it doesn't— progressive modern country that i live in. it doesn't mean much to i live in. it doesn't mean much ro ne— i live in. it doesn't mean much ro hur— i live in. it doesn't mean much ro row or— i live in. it doesn't mean much to me. but of course it does. ingienri— to me. but of course it does. ingienr. ee— to me. but of course it does. ingienr. ee i— to me. but of course it does. england, as i said, has offered the england, as i said, has offered he wont— england, as i said, has offered he wont eo— england, as i said, has offered the world so very— england, as i said, has offered the world so very much right. we ehouir— the world so very much right. we ehowe-he— the world so very much right. we should-be intensely- the world so very much right. we should be intensely proud of should all be intensely proud of rher.— should all be intensely proud of rher. hur— should all be intensely proud of that. but also,— should all be intensely proud of that. but also, i— should all be intensely proud of that. but also, i think you know.— that. but also, i think you know. ir— that. but also, i think you know, it smacks of the kind of eneering— know, it smacks of the kind of sneering that,— know, it smacks of the kind of sneering that, dare say, emily sneering that, dare i say, emily ihornherry— sneering that, dare i say, emily thornberry evidenced when she our— thornberry evidenced when she our end— thornberry evidenced when she was out and she— thornberry evidenced when she was out and she was sacked for it was out and she was sacked for ir er— was out and she was sacked for ir er rhe— was out and she was sacked for ir er rhe rime— was out and she was sacked for it at the time in— was out and she was sacked for it at the time in rochester where— it at the time in rochester where ene— it at the time in rochester where she tweeted out hashtag iroeheerer— where she tweeted out hashtag rochester with _ where she tweeted out hashtag rochester with pictures of the seinr— rochester with pictures of the saint george's— rochester with pictures of the saint george's flag. i think wirh— saint george's flag. i think wirh rhe— saint george's flag. i think with the left,— saint george's flag. i think with the left, the only people rher— with the left, the only people rher newe— with the left, the only people rher hewe e— with the left, the only people that have a problem with this rieg— that have a problem with this rieg ee— that have a problem with this rieg on— that have a problem with this flag are on the— that have a problem with this flag are on the left. benjamin herren— flag are on the left. benjamin herren ir— flag are on the left. benjamin herren if i— flag are on the left. benjamin darren, if i may— flag are on the left. benjamin darren, if i may say, i think pari— darren, if i may say, i think her or— darren, if i may say, i think pen or rhe— darren, if i may say, i think part of the problem with why reorie— part of the problem with why heooie eon-r— part of the problem with why people don't feel that they can be people don't feel that they can he rhere-e— people don't feel that they can be there's this— people don't feel that they can be there's this english national irenriry— be there's this english national irenriry ie— be there's this english national identity is precisely because ingienr— identity is precisely because ingienr hee— identity is precisely because england has given the world so much— england has given the world so much .— england has given the world so much . vou— england has given the world so much . you know,— england has given the world so much . you know, the french are

much. you know, the french are very— much. you know, the french are very erreeher— much. you know, the french are very attached to— much. you know, the french are very attached to their language, but very attached to their language, hur ingiieh— very attached to their language, hur ingiieh ie— very attached to their language, but english is a— very attached to their language, but english is a global ienguege— but english is a global language. you know, the scots are language. you know, the scots very— language. you know, the scots are very attached— language. you know, the scots are very attached to kilts, but euire. — are very attached to kilts, but euire. hur— are very attached to kilts, but suits. but suits— are very attached to kilts, but suits. but suits are actually ingiieh— suits. but suits are actually english national dress and they engliin national dress and they are english national dress and they giohei— english national dress and they are global business dress. so in very— are global business dress. so in very in— are global business dress. so in very in e— are global business dress. so in very in e ror— are global business dress. so in very in e or or— are global business dress. so in very in a lot of respects, englishness— very in a lot of respects, englishness is- very in a lot of respects, englishness is global ness. and i englishness is global ness. and i rhink— englishness is global ness. and irhink rher-e— englishness is global ness. and i think that's why— englishness is global ness. and i think that's why this english nerionei— i think that's why this english national identity— i think that's why this english national identity perhaps has been— national identity perhaps has been her— national identity perhaps has been ioer ee— national identity perhaps has been lost as the— national identity perhaps has been lost as the world has reconne— been lost as the world has heeorne e— been lost as the world has become a more— been lost as the world has become a more globalised. but you— become a more globalised. but you know— become a more globalised. but you know what?— become a more globalised. but you know what? say napoleon had won you know what? say napoleon had rhe— you know what? say napoleon had rhe we— you know what? say napoleon had won the war instead— you know what? say napoleon had won the war instead of us, righre— won the war instead of us, righre ho— won the war instead of us, righre no you— won the war instead of us, right? do you really believe rher— right? do you really believe rher rhe— right? do you really believe that the french— right? do you really believe that the french wouldn't be wexing— that the french wouldn't be waxing lyrical— that the french wouldn't be waxing lyrical about how great it waxing lyrical about how great ir ie— waxing lyrical about how great ir ie ro— waxing lyrical about how great ir ie ro he— waxing lyrical about how great it is to be from— waxing lyrical about how great it is to be from france and how greer.— it is to be from france and how greer. how— it is to be from france and how great, how fantastic everything rher— great, how fantastic everything rher rhe — great, how fantastic everything that the world _ great, how fantastic everything that the world has been given by rreene— that the world has been given by rreene ie— that the world has been given by rreene ie e— that the world has been given by france is ? look,— that the world has been given by france is ? look, i— that the world has been given by france is ? look, i think i think france is? look, i think i think we can definitely— france is? look, i think i think we can definitely be more proud to we can definitely be more proud ro he— we can definitely be more proud ro he ingiieh— we can definitely be more proud to be english and— we can definitely be more proud to be english and actually talk ehour— to be english and actually talk ehour eoe— to be english and actually talk about some of— to be english and actually talk about some of the achievements rher— about some of the achievements rher w-wee— about some of the achievements that we've done— about some of the achievements that we've done in— about some of the achievements that we've done in a positive wey.— that we've done in a positive wey-know— that we've done in a positive wey-know why- that we've done in a positive way. know why the left, way. i don't know why the left, as way. i don't know why the left, ee rent-ehin— way. i don't know why the left, as benjamin kind— way. i don't know why the left, as benjamin kind of perfectly exeirer— as benjamin kind of perfectly exeirer .— as benjamin kind of perfectly exalted , was— as benjamin kind of perfectly exalted , was a— as benjamin kind of perfectly exalted , was a perfect example exalted, was a perfect example of exalted, was a perfect example or eeriier— exalted, was a perfect example or eeriier on— exalted, was a perfect example of earlier on has— exalted, was a perfect example of earlier on has this image of rhe— of earlier on has this image of he seinr— of earlier on has this image of the saint george's— of earlier on has this image of the saint george's cross is eonerhing— the saint george's cross is something which is racist, eerieh— something which is racist, sexist, albie,— something which is racist, sexist, albie, regressive. i iook—

sexist, albie, regressive. i iook er— sexist, albie, regressive. i iook er ir— sexist, albie, regressive. i look at it and— sexist, albie, regressive. i look at it and i- sexist, albie, regressive. i look at it and i think that's my eounrry-e— look at it and i think that's my eounrry-e rieg. — look at it and i think that's my country's flag. when i see it rrying— country's flag. when i see it rrying. i— country's flag. when i see it rrying. i reei— country's flag. when i see it flying, i feel pride. do you see enyrhing— flying, i feel pride. do you see enyrhing wrong— flying, i feel pride. do you see anything wrong ?_ flying, i feel pride. do you see anything wrong ? because some anything wrong? because some people— anything wrong? because some heooie eey— anything wrong? because some people say actually english ness people say actually engliin ness is people say actually english ness ie iinkeri— people say actually english ness ie iinker. ire— people say actually english ness is linked. it's inherently iinker— is linked. it's inherently iinker ro— is linked. it's inherently linked to race- is linked. it's inherently linked to race and actually they put linked to race and actually they our ir— linked to race and actually they our ir ro— linked to race and actually they our ir ro town— linked to race and actually they put it to down racist arguments heuee— put it to down racist arguments heuee or— put it to down racist arguments because of they— put it to down racist arguments because of they say, you know, it's because of they say, you know, he iinker— because of they say, you know, it's linked to _ because of they say, you know, it's linked to some— because of they say, you know, it's linked to some movements who— it's linked to some movements who r— it's linked to some movements who . you— it's linked to some movements who . you know.— it's linked to some movements who , you know, might be racist who, you know, might be racist rheneeiwee— who, you know, might be racist themselves or— who, you know, might be racist themselves or things like that. do you— themselves or things like that. no you view— themselves or things like that. do you view englishness as a reeier— do you view englishness as a racist concept— do you view englishness as a racist concept in— do you view englishness as a racist concept in and of itself? go.— racist concept in and of itself? no. i— racist concept in and of itself? no. i eon-r— racist concept in and of itself? no, i don't really— racist concept in and of itself? no, i don't really understand rhe— no, i don't really understand rhe ergunenr— no, i don't really understand the argument at— no, i don't really understand the argument at all. i have to do the argument at all. i have to to i— the argument at all. i have to to i to— the argument at all. i have to to i to vou— the argument at all. i have to do i do you know— the argument at all. i have to do i do you know what? hrtrrr do i do you know what? now, i am a do i do you know what? now, i am every— do i do you know what? now, i am a very patriotic person. i think most of our viewers know that about me. but i also grew up in nonh about me. but i also grew up in north london and it just wasn't the done thing to be draping yourself in the flag, you know, it just wasn't something that people did, didn't have a flagpole in my front garden . flagpole in my front garden. you're too posh, emily. well, i don't know if it's— you're too posh, emily. well, i don't know if it's that- you're too posh, emily. well, i don't know if it's that or- /rtr. ”rt; .«r well, i don't know if it's that or if ire— don't know if it's that or if he huer— don't know if it's that or if it's just living— don't know if it's that or if it's just living within the m2 25 or— it's just living within the m2 25 or something— it's just living within the m2 25 or something because i'm oerriorie. — 25 or something because i'm patriotic. but— 25 or something because i'm patriotic. but then - 25 or something because i'm patriotic. mt“ 25 or something because i'm patriotic. ’.�*ii�* “rtr: patriotic. but then i had teachers at school who refused

to sing the national anthem. so, you know, it's just are you know, it's just you are a product of where you live, but it doesn't help when we have politicians emily politicians like emily thornberry the flag thornberry sneering at the flag . it doesn't help when you have you know, the usuals on twitter and every social media platform making fun of people, calling them, you know, edl ers for carrying flag . but i think it carrying a flag. but i think it really does depend on where you come in the country, how much you flag present you have that flag present in your i mean, polling your life. yeah, i mean, polling euggeere— your life. yeah, i mean, polling euggeere rhe— your life. yeah, i mean, polling suggests the right— ” . ”rt; yeah, i mean, polling suggests the right that a lot of people— suggests the right that a lot of people associate _ suggests the right that a lot of people associate being english wirh—rron.- people associate being englishi with _from,-know, with everything from, you know, our-rher— with everything from, you know, our-rher ien-r- with everything from, you know, our that isn't consumed our identity that isn't consumed by our identity that isn't consumed hy-norione— our identity that isn't consumed hy-norione or— our identity that isn't consumed by-notions of race- our identity that isn't consumed by notions of race and by these notions of race and orher— by these notions of race and orher rhinge— by these notions of race and other things which some people are other things which some people oheeeeer— other things which some people are obsessed with.— other things which some people are obsessed with. as benjamin did are obsessed with. as benjamin rir er— are obsessed with. as benjamin rir er rhe— are obsessed with. as benjamin did at the start— are obsessed with. as benjamin did at the start there, as iinking— did at the start there, as iinking ir— did at the start there, as linking it with, you know, leo quire— linking it with, you know, leo quite unexpectedly made a good point— quite unexpectedly made a good poinr. which— quite unexpectedly made a good point, which was— quite unexpectedly made a good point, which was when he said rher— point, which was when he said rher ingienr— point, which was when he said that england is— point, which was when he said that england is the straight whire— that england is the straight whire nen— that england is the straight white man of— that england is the straight white man of countries, you know why— white man of countries, you know why you— white man of countries, you know why you eer— white man of countries, you know why you eer rhee— white man of countries, you know why you sat there moaning about a why you sat there moaning about eeo— howerruil a country that's got so powerful . eo rich.— a country that's got so powerful . eo rieh rhe— a country that's got so powerful , so rich, the whole— a country that's got so powerful , so rich, the whole world eneeke— , so rich, the whole world eoeeke ire— , so rich, the whole world speaks its language. you know, nerionei— speaks its language. you know, national dress— speaks its language. you know, national dress ,_ speaks its language. you know, national dress , lots of cultural national dress, lots of cultural rhe— national dress, lots of cultural norms the world _ national dress, lots of cultural norms the world over . the national dress, lots of cultural norms the world over. the music ioe— norms the world over. the music rhe—

norms the world over. the music icons the world _ norms the world over. the music icons the world over— norms the world over. the music icons the world over are ingiieh. — icons the world over are ingiieh. why— icons the world over are english. why are you moaning ehour— english. why are you moaning ehourliike— english. why are you moaning aboutllike it's— english. why are you moaning about like it's some kind of about it like it's some kind of referee.— about it like it's some kind of ofsted,-said._ about it like it's some kind of ofsted,-said. as- about it like it's some kind of ofsted, said. as neil said ofsted, nana said. as neil said at ofsted, nana said. as neil said er rhe— ofsted, nana said. as neil said er rhe eren— ofsted, nana said. as neil said at the start there, _ ofsted, nana said. as neil said at the start there, leo mentioned _ at the start there, leo mentioned the fact that serene.— mentioned the fact that scotland, you - mentioned the fact that scotland, you know, the bedrock of-enlightenment- scotland, you know, the bedrock of-enlightenment ,- scotland, you know, the bedrock of enlightenment, right? of the enlightenment, right? aren— of the enlightenment, right? ween-righ- of the enlightenment, right? adam-right. he- of the enlightenment, right? adam right. he gave us adam smith right. he gave us rnoernr— adam smith right. he gave us modern—which- adam smith right. he gave us modern which you modern capitalism, which you ioerhe— modern capitalism, which you ioerhe hur— modern capitalism, which you loathe but benefit from. and you know.— loathe but benefit from. and you know. gt— loathe but benefit from. and you know. eii or— loathe but benefit from. and you know, all of these— loathe but benefit from. and you know, all of these things are greer— know, all of these things are greer enr— know, all of these things are great and scotland is proud to be great and scotland is proud to he seorrieh. — great and scotland is proud to be scottish. why— great and scotland is proud to be scottish. why can we not be proud— be scottish. why can we not be proud ro— be scottish. why can we not be proud ro he— be scottish. why can we not be proud to be english mean? leo prohehiy— proud to be english mean? leo can probably answer this, but i rhink— can probably answer this, but i rth herr— can probably answer this, but i rth pen or— can probably answer this, but i think part of it— can probably answer this, but i think part of it is— can probably answer this, but i think part of it is that scotland— think part of it is that scotland is- think part of it is that scotland is proud of that irenriry.— scotland is proud of that irenriry. in— scotland is proud of that identity, in contrast to englishness.- identity, in contrast to englishness. that's why it feels so englishness. that's why it feels eo nueh— englishness. that's why it feels so much more vivid. whenever i-we— so much more vivid. whenever he gone— so much more vivid. whenever he gone ro— so much more vivid. whenever i've gone to scotland, have i've gone to scotland, i have been— i've gone to scotland, i have been surprised _ i've gone to scotland, i have been surprised by just how how rorrhrighr— been surprised by just how how forthright-with- been surprised by just how how forthright with their forthright they are with their irenriry. — forthright they are with their identity. -but- forthright they are with their identity. - but is - forthright they are with their identity. -but is it. identity. yeah, but is it because we just know we're superior ? we'll never know that. superior? we'll never know that. ho — superior? we'll never know that. ho weir.— superior? we'll never know that. no well, coming— superior? we'll never know that. no well, coming up next, it is time for albie argument. albie is going to say manchester united and man city's badges are not racist. don't go away .

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their football badges are wrong. no, it's not evidence of institutional racism . as one institutional racism. as one guardian reader put it, there's absolutely nothing wrong with having ships in these football badges. what will removing these these ships from these badges actually do for anyone who is suffering from the impacts of racial disparities? diddly squat, that's what, you know, we should be proud of our history. manchester should be proud of its history . if we got rid of its history. if we got rid of everything which had an association with empire or slavery, we'd have nothing left . no statues, no royal family no banks, no insurance companies, no universities . but the no universities. but the anti—capitalists would be happy with that. it's time that we weren't ashamed about britain's history changing these badges will do absolutely nothing to help people. we've got to stop the virtue signalling and get real. everyone alive in britain today is a beneficiary of empire .even today is a beneficiary of empire . even guardian readers .

. even guardian readers. benjamin, you're a guardian reader , aren't you? i've got reader, aren't you? i've got that right, haven't i? you've outed me. oh, gosh. well, i think we all knew, but i think my point is , why is it that the my point is, why is it that the guardian is so surprised that all of these institutions have links with slavery and empire ? i links with slavery and empire? i mean, i'd put it back to you that why is it that confronting these kind of history, this history of the country, the relationship that so many institutions have with deplorable colonialism, with the abuse of black people and minorities, why is it that it provokes such discussion effort? it's because a lot of people in this country, white people, particularly , take it as particularly, take it as a personal offence to be told of the history and the crimes against humanity that britain did during its colonial era. but emily carver, this football badge was actually designed after britain had abolished slavery. well, there's that . i slavery. well, there's that. i eon-r— slavery. well, there's that. i eon-r rere— slavery. well, there's that. i don't care for— slavery. well, there's that. i don't care for the— ”yr well, there's that. i don't care for the badges, but it don't care for the badges, but ir roee— don't care for the badges, but ir roee eee— don't care for the badges, but it does seem like— don't care for the badges, but it does seem like for many euerrien— it does seem like for many guardian columnists, reporters enr— guardian columnists, reporters ene orhere— guardian columnists, reporters and others that— guardian columnists, reporters and others that finding things

rher— and others that finding things rher eouir— and others that finding things that could be— and others that finding things that could be racy list has reconne— that could be racy list has heeorne e— that could be racy list has become a bit— that could be racy list has become a bit of- that could be racy list has become a bit of a sport looking inro— become a bit of a sport looking into absolutely— become a bit of a sport looking into absolutely everything in our into absolutely everything in eounrry— into absolutely everything in eounrry .— into absolutely everything in our country , demonising it, our country, demonising it, eeying— our country, demonising it, eeying ire— our country, demonising it, saying it's either institutionally racist , has institutionally racist, has iinke— institutionally racist, has iinke ro— institutionally racist, has links to slavery and ergo must be links to slavery and ergo must he wenieh— links to slavery and ergo must be vanish from _ links to slavery and ergo must be vanish from our countries hierory— be vanish from our countries hierory enr— be vanish from our countries history and from— be vanish from our countries history and from our current eiruerion.— history and from our current situation. it— history and from our current situation. it has— history and from our current situation. it has become a sport . ire— situation. it has become a sport . ir-e iike— situation. it has become a sport . ir-e iike e— situation. it has become a sport . it's like a game— situation. it has become a sport . it's like a game for people now. darren,— . it's like a game for people now. darren, are- . it's like a game for people now. 'l�*irti”rt;“ rttt; . it's like a game for people now. . it's like a game for people- now. darren, are you ashamed of britain's colonial past? i comments that winston churchill, for example , made about indians. for example, made about indians. well, i mean , he was a bit busy well, i mean, he was a bit busy at that time trying to keep the british people alive. right that was during a war. so i'm sure he would have loved to be able to help out our former british empire state . but at that time, empire state. but at that time, he absolutely couldn't. and there was a horrendous natural event that had taken place that meant that there was a famine in bengal . what was bengal at that bengal. what was bengal at that time. but putting that to one side, you know, i actually think people that wax lyrical about this or the likes of gary lineker, for example, is like, oh, suella braverman , she's a.

oh, suella braverman, she's a. when actually why do they not talk about the fact that man man united is about to be bought out by the qataris we talk about today , not yesterday, because today, not yesterday, because actually , if we look at what actually, if we look at what britain did yesterday , they britain did yesterday, they spending a load of our gdp on abolishing slavery throughout the world and naval lives. let's not forget british men and boys died in order to actually aboush died in order to actually abolish slavery throughout the world. so, yes, if you ask me, am i proud to be british, i totally am. i think it's a great record. but leo, does the fact that british taxpayers were paying that british taxpayers were paying essentially reparations to former slave owners until 2015, does that not make you feel uncomfortable? no that makes me feel proud- feel uncomfortable? no that makes me feel proud to- �*7rt;rt;. -t7 \rrtr that makes me feel proud to be hrhieh— makes me feel proud to be hririeh. we— makes me feel proud to be british. we didn't invent eiewery— british. we didn't invent eiewery .— british. we didn't invent eiewery . we— british. we didn't invent slavery . we invented abolishing slavery. we invented abolishing eiewery— slavery. we invented abolishing eiewery. which— slavery. we invented abolishing slavery, which is— slavery. we invented abolishing slavery, which is something that hririeh— slavery, which is something that nririeh neopre— slavery, which is something that british people should be proud of. british people should be proud or. ane— british people should be proud or. who i— british people should be proud of. and i think— british people should be proud of. and i think emily's right. i

rhe— of. and i think emily's right. i rhe eunry— of. and i think emily's right. i mean, the supply of racism, which— mean, the supply of racism, which guardian— mean, the supply of racism, which guardian readers need eonerhing— which guardian readers need eonerhing ro— which guardian readers need something to get upset about every— something to get upset about every ween— something to get upset about every week, the— something to get upset about every week, the supply of racism ien-r— every week, the supply of racism ien-r keeping— every week, the supply of racism ien-r keeping up— every week, the supply of racism isn't keeping up with demand isn't keeping up with the demand -eren-r— isn't keeping up with the demand -eren-r eiewe— isn't keeping up with the demand .-aren't slave ships- isn't keeping up with the demand . aren't slave ships on . these aren't slave ships on rhe— . these aren't slave ships on rhe-.— . these aren't slave ships on rhe-. rheee- . these aren't slave ships on the-. these are- . these aren't slave ships on the . these are just. the badges. these are just. rheee— the badges. these are just. rheee-huer— the badges. these are just. these just ships. ships these are just ships. ships eerry— these are just ships. ships oern-kinde— these are just ships. ships carry-kinds of- these are just ships. ships carry kinds of things. they carry all kinds of things. they eerry— carry all kinds of things. they carry-r— carry all kinds of things. they eerryl rhey— carry all kinds of things. they eerry- rhey eerry- carry all kinds of things. they carry , they carry teslas. carry corn, they carry teslas. vou— carry corn, they carry teslas. you-ir— carry corn, they carry teslas. you - it doesn't - carry corn, they carry teslas. you it doesn't they're not you know, it doesn't they're not epeeirieeiiy— you know, it doesn't they're not specifically slave _ you know, it doesn't they're not specifically slave ships. it's rieiieuioue— specifically slave ships. it's ridiculous. there is racism in roorheii— ridiculous. there is racism in football and— ridiculous. there is racism in football and it's— ridiculous. there is racism in football and it's anti—white ir— football and it's anti—white racism. if you— football and it's anti—white racism. if you look at the premier— racism. if you look at the premier league, there are rhere-e— premier league, there are there's nowhere near enough whire— there's nowhere near enough whire rep— there's nowhere near enough white rep presentation. we're ereiurer— white rep presentation. we're excluded from _ white rep presentation. we're excluded from football just heuee— excluded from football just because we're _ excluded from football just because we're not that good at it. because we're not that good at ir. ane— because we're not that good at ir. anr ire— because we're not that good at it. and it's not— because we're not that good at it. and it's not fair. i demand eguei— it. and it's not fair. i demand equal representation for white peopie. — equal representation for white peopie. weir.— equal representation for white people. well, equal- people. well, equal representation . but benjamin representation. but benjamin should we change everything that has had potentially has links to slavery ? i mean, look, the slavery? i mean, look, the gueerion— slavery? i mean, look, the question about— ”yr 7 i mean, look, the question about this ship and its rhree— question about this ship and its rhree neere— question about this ship and its three masts is— question about this ship and its three masts is whether that repreeenre— three masts is whether that represents cotton ships that were a product— represents cotton ships that were a product of slavery and colonialism. _ were a product of slavery and colonialism. now,- were a product of slavery and colonialism. \rtrrr were a product of slavery and colonialism. krtrrt r3rtr“ . were a product of slavery and colonialism. \rt.rrr r3rtr“ . colonialism. now, we don't know it for a fact. so, you know , it for a fact. so, you know, this might just be a storm in a teacup. but i think that if it does have those associations, you know, you talked about black

footballers and white footballers and white footballers or lack of, footballers or the lack of, well, a black well, imagine being a black footballer having to wear a shirt with the product of your ancestors abuse blazing. my grandfather , who emigrated here grandfather, who emigrated here from ghana in the late 50 seconds, guess what? football team he supports? he's black, by the way . manchester united and the way. manchester united and people. i'm probably the only mancunian on the panel, right? in spite of my accent disguising this fact. and you know, manchester is a proud place. it's revolutionary it's been a revolutionary place that's been the start of many social movements . and i don't social movements. and i don't think it should afraid to think it should be afraid to keep that history. buti think it should be afraid to keep that history. but i just keep up that history. but i just wonder keep up that history. but i just wonerr why— keep up that history. but i just wonder why guardian - .. .. but i just wonder why guardian columnists ehooee— wonder why guardian columnists choose us, this— wonder why guardian columnists choose us, this kind of thing, to choose us, this kind of thing, ro-on — choose us, this kind of thing, ro-on ihey-re- choose us, this kind of thing, to-on. they're on- choose us, this kind of thing, to on. they're on the to report on. they're on the num— to report on. they're on the hunr ror— to report on. they're on the hunt for something that they eouir— hunt for something that they eouir rind— hunt for something that they could find that— hunt for something that they could find that could be racist or perceive— could find that could be racist or perceive as— could find that could be racist or perceive as racist. i don't know.— or perceive as racist. i don't know. ae— or perceive as racist. i don't know. re you— or perceive as racist. i don't know. we you eey- or perceive as racist. i don't know. as you say, does this apply?— know. as you say, does this eppiye weer— know. as you say, does this apply? meet the - know. as you say, does this apply? meet the demand? it's eieeriy— apply? meet the demand? it's eieeriy nor. — apply? meet the demand? it's clearly not. they're pinching it ever smaller— clearly not. they're pinching it ever smaller things, ever more riny— ever smaller things, ever more riny rhinge— ever smaller things, ever more tiny things that— ever smaller things, ever more tiny things that could possibly ineuir— tiny things that could possibly insult someone.— tiny things that could possibly insult someone. i— tiny things that could possibly insult someone. i would say as eyone— insult someone. i would say as anyone actually— insult someone. i would say as anyone actually tried to read rher— anyone actually tried to read rher enrire— anyone actually tried to read that entire article. it is a reer—

that entire article. it is a snore fest .— that entire article. it is a snore fest . i— that entire article. it is a snore fest . i read it. 3000. snore fest. i read it. 3000. inererihiy— snore fest. i read it. 3000. incredibly boring . .“rtrrt; incredibly boring. but is there a incredibly boring. but is there e ie— incredibly boring. but is there a is there a broader problem, darren, which is that people in britain actually just don't actually know that much about our history of empire. so we're always surprised when we hear that there are the royal families got links to slavery. manchester united or the guardian newspaper links to slavery. that's me as a historian, that's not a shock. oh , oh, darren, we'll have to oh, oh, darren, we'll have to get— oh, oh, darren, we'll have to ger your— oh, oh, darren, we'll have to get your thoughts in another rine. — get your thoughts in another rine. hur— get your thoughts in another time. but still— get your thoughts in another time. .. 3 ,. time. but still ahead, benjamin is tackling the biggest issues as usual. he says the lack of all night greggs stores represents nothing less than the decline of western civilisation. this could be interesting . this could be interesting. perhaps see you shortly .

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debate of the evening. up next, it's benjamin . he's going to it's benjamin. he's going to tell us about nimbyism and why a lack of all night greggs outlets shames the country. start the clock and you can tell i like her. greggs, good evening, ruinin— her. greggs, good evening, britain. tonight— greggs, good evening, britain. tonight night i raise a ropie— britain. tonight night i raise a ropie rher— britain. tonight night i raise a ropie rher ie— britain. tonight night i raise a topic that is damaging these ieienre— topic that is damaging these islands, hurting— topic that is damaging these islands, hurting its people and uniernining— islands, hurting its people and undermining our— islands, hurting its people and undermining our economy . arnie. undermining our economy. arnie. y...— undermining our economy. arnie. wee rhe— undermining our economy. arnie. wee rhe ieek— undermining our economy. arnie. yes, the lack of— undermining our economy. arnie. yes, the lack of late night eregge— yes, the lack of late night greggs greggs_ yes, the lack of late night greggs greggs the geordie bakers has greggs greggs the geordie bakers hee reen— greggs greggs the geordie bakers hee heen rorr— greggs greggs the geordie bakers has been told that— greggs greggs the geordie bakers has been told that it cannot open— has been told that it cannot open peer— has been told that it cannot open peer ii— has been told that it cannot open past 11 pm. in leicester sguere— open past 11 pm. in leicester sguere or— open past 11 pm. in leicester sguere or ehi— open past 11 pm. in leicester square of all places because westminster— square of all places because westminster council says that 24 hour— westminster council says that 24 hour eeueeeg— westminster council says that 24 hour sausage rolls— westminster council says that 24 hour sausage rolls might cause a or— hour sausage rolls might cause a or onene— hour sausage rolls might cause a or .— hour sausage rolls might cause a wave of crime . what a half baked wave of crime. what a half baked . hur— wave of crime. what a half baked nonsense . but the— wave of crime. what a half baked nonsense . but the truth is that nonsense. but the truth is that whire— nonsense. but the truth is that whiie wenring— nonsense. but the truth is that while wanting a— nonsense. but the truth is that while wanting a sausage roll in the while wanting a sausage roll in he nirrie— while wanting a sausage roll in the middle of— while wanting a sausage roll in the middle of the— while wanting a sausage roll in the middle of the night might eounr— the middle of the night might eounr iike— the middle of the night might eounr iike e— the middle of the night might sound like a spurious argument, it sound like a spurious argument, ir reeiiy— sound like a spurious argument, it really epitomises the flaky epproeeh— it really epitomises the flaky epproeeh ro— it really epitomises the flaky approach to our— it really epitomises the flaky approach to our economy. it's rhe— approach to our economy. it's rhe ee— approach to our economy. it's the same idea— approach to our economy. it's the same idea that says that pure— the same idea that says that puhe enr— the same idea that says that pubs and clubs— the same idea that says that pubs and clubs in big cities ennor— pubs and clubs in big cities ennor open— pubs and clubs in big cities cannot open after 11 pm, let eione— cannot open after 11 pm, let eione in— cannot open after 11 pm, let alone in towns— cannot open after 11 pm, let alone in towns and villages. ihie— alone in towns and villages. ihie ie— alone in towns and villages. ihie ie rhe— alone in towns and villages. this is the tyranny of jobsworths- this is the tyranny of jobsworths and curtain twitchers and jobsworths and curtain twitchers end i— jobsworths and curtain twitchers end i eey— jobsworths and curtain twitchers end i eey rher—

jobsworths and curtain twitchers and i say that now— jobsworths and curtain twitchers and i say that now councils of when— and i say that now councils of hrirein tree— and i say that now councils of britain free the— and i say that now councils of britain free the steak , bake . britain free the steak, bake. very— britain free the steak, bake. very good.— britain free the steak, bake. very good. very— britain free the steak, bake. very good. very good indeed . very good. very good indeed. vou— very good. very good indeed. vou heu— very good. very good indeed. you had three— very good. very good indeed. you had three seconds- very good. very good indeed. you had three seconds spare there. well came out early. well, i can pop to greggs now . well, i can pop to greggs now. iook— well, i can pop to greggs now. iook. i— well, i can pop to greggs now. iook. i know— well, i can pop to greggs now. look, i know that— well, i can pop to greggs now. look, i know that obviously it is look, i know that obviously it ie nor— look, i know that obviously it ie nor rhe— look, i know that obviously it is not the greatest issue in the word— is not the greatest issue in the word ro— is not the greatest issue in the word ro ger— is not the greatest issue in the word ro ger e— is not the greatest issue in the world to get a ring doughnut at 2 en— world to get a ring doughnut at z hur— world to get a ring doughnut at z hur i— world to get a ring doughnut at 2 am, but i think— world to get a ring doughnut at 2 am, but i think there's a reei— 2 a.m, but i think there's a real question— 2 am, but i think there's a real question about how we've reconne— real question about how we've heeorne e— real question about how we've become a small— real question about how we've become a small minded country rher— become a small minded country rher rere— become a small minded country rher he i— become a small minded country rher he i or— become a small minded country that lets 1 or 2— become a small minded country that lets 1 or 2 moaners stop, wherher— that lets 1 or 2 moaners stop, wherher ire— that lets 1 or 2 moaners stop, whether it's a— that lets 1 or 2 moaners stop, whether it's a bakery chain or wherher— whether it's a bakery chain or wherher ire— whether it's a bakery chain or whether it's a— whether it's a bakery chain or whether it's a pub or a club or even a new houses. i mean, emily— even a new houses. i mean, iniiy. i— even a new houses. i mean, iniiy. i rhink— even a new houses. i mean, emily, i think you're sort of gerring— emily, i think you're sort of gerring on— emily, i think you're sort of getting on the— emily, i think you're sort of getting on the housing ladder. it's getting on the housing ladder. ir-e nor— getting on the housing ladder. ir-e nor eheep. — getting on the housing ladder. it's not cheap. how do you feel getting on the housing ladder. it's notheseip. how do you feel getting on the housing ladder. it's nothese things? ) you feel getting on the housing ladder. it's nothese things? feel about these things? how do i reor— about these things? how do i reei ehour— about these things? how do i feel about this? well, i read about this greggs decision and the said don't have the police said they don't have enough essentially to enough police, essentially to they it's going to an they think it's going to be an antisocial hotspot. greggs open at 2 am. in leicester square. we've all been to leicester square at 2 am, probably me, i imagine. and it can be absolute carnage. but i don't understand why the mcdonald's gets to stay open all night and not greggs. is there some kind of idea that

greggs is even more low brow, even more scummy than mcdonald's? it seems very unfair. well, yeah. and mcdonald is unfair. well, yeah. and mcdonald ie eppie— unfair. well, yeah. and mcdonald ie eppie pie— unfair. well, yeah. and mcdonald ie eppie pie ie— unfair. well, yeah. and mcdonald ie eppie pie ie e— .. ” well, yeah. and mcdonald is apple pie is a viable weapon . ihe— is apple pie is a viable weapon . ihe eue— is apple pie is a viable weapon . the sauce inside— is apple pie is a viable weapon . the sauce inside is hotter rhen— . the sauce inside is hotter rhen reve— . the sauce inside is hotter rhen ieve .— . the sauce inside is hotter than lava . but— . the sauce inside is hotter than lava . but you don't think than lava. but you don't think rhie— than lava. but you don't think rhie eon— than lava. but you don't think rhie eorr or— than lava. but you don't think this sort of you— than lava. but you don't think this sort of you know darren, do you— this sort of you know darren, do you nor— this sort of you know darren, do you nor rhink— this sort of you know darren, do you not think that— this sort of you know darren, do you not think that this epitomises— you not think that this epitomises how you can have just a epitomises how you can have just e eoupie— epitomises how you can have just e eoupie or— epitomises how you can have just a couple of moaners, sort of anxious, tyrannical attitudes fron— anxious, tyrannical attitudes from councils— anxious, tyrannical attitudes from councils and a handful of ioeeiee — from councils and a handful of ioeeiee cen— from councils and a handful of locals? can stop— from councils and a handful of locals? cr?“ locals? can stop anyone else having any fun? well do you know what, benjamin? i'm going to break the habit of a lifetime. as long as i've known you, that is. and say that i actually agree with everything that you've said. well, here we you've just said. well, here we are. oh, are. get the klaxon going. oh, hell. frozen over . it truly hell. has frozen over. it truly has. honestly , one has. because honestly, one complaint i read it was one complaint i read it was one complaint that stopped greggs being able to open at these times when you know people after you've boogie, you've had a good boogie, perhaps you've got drunk, don't do that. well not to have 1 or 2 bottles of whatever and you want to pop in for a greggs sausage roll, why shouldn't you be able

to do that? one person grumbles . do you know what? if you've got a problem with noise in leicester , live in leicester square, don't live in leicester square, don't live in leicester and know leicester square. and you know what? said? greg said, what? greggs said? greg said, sorry, what? greggs said? greg said, sorry—eeri- what? greggs said? greg said,| sorry—eeir-rhey sorry, albie greg said that they wouir— sorry, albie greg said that they wouir-errre— sorry, albie greg said that they would extra security. they'd would get extra security. they'd neve— would get extra security. they'd heve cerv— would get extra security. they'd have cctv, they'd _ would get extra security. they'd have cctv, they'd help out the poiiee— have cctv, they'd help out the poiiee in— have cctv, they'd help out the poiiee in eny— have cctv, they'd help out the police in any way— have cctv, they'd help out the police in any way they can. but eriii— police in any way they can. but eriii eregge— police in any way they can. but still greggs isn't— police in any way they can. but still greggs isn't allowed. keen— still greggs isn't allowed. veeh. i— still greggs isn't allowed. yeah, i mean,— still greggs isn't allowed. yeah, i mean, they've- still greggs isn't allowed. yeah, i mean, they've got bouncers to stop darren getting in. they have . what is it with in. they have. what is it with labour councillors ruining soho? i mean, these are your people, benjamin , and it's ruining soho. benjamin, and it's ruining soho. but do you know what? why are they being so annoying about this? is. i mean, look, this? this is. i mean, look, first all, it's first of all, it's a conservative council. when originally the decision. originally took the decision. but look, this isn't really about leicester square or london, ? but what it london, okay? but what it epitomises is when you can have the heart of nightlife and of film premieres in biggest film premieres in the biggest city in the country and still the nimbyism, the not in my back yard acute that they can't yard is so acute that they can't sell sausage rolls after 11 pm. i think this shows a serious national problem. we have in attitudes. go on. do you not think it's snobbery though as

well? because it's greggs, right? and greggs is seen as being, you know, you can go in and buy a meal deal for a few quid and people go in there and there's this sort of connotation of it being negative because people get fat or whatever. yeah.i people get fat or whatever. yeah. i mean i feel you don't go in greggs, you know, with the idea that you're going to come out with some. i don't know. but to play devil's advocate, peren— but to play devil's advocate, penen roee— but to play devil's advocate, darren, does it— but to play devil's advocate, darren, does it also not show rher— darren, does it also not show rher we— darren, does it also not show rher we eon-r— darren, does it also not show that we don't know how to behave 7 that we don't know how to behave ? if that we don't know how to behave e if you— that we don't know how to behave e it you go— that we don't know how to behave e it you go ro— that we don't know how to behave ? if you go to leicester square or pene— ? if you go to leicester square or perre or— ? if you go to leicester square or parts of london— ? if you go to leicester square or parts of london in the middle of or parts of london in the middle or-nighr.— or parts of london in the middle of-night, which— or parts of london in the middle of-night, which i— or parts of london in the middle of night, which i don't do of the night, which i don't do so of the night, which i don't do eo-or— of the night, which i don't do so -of nowadays,- of the night, which i don't do so of nowadays, but anyway, so much of nowadays, but anyway, when— so much of nowadays, but anyway, whenldid— so much of nowadays, but anyway, whenldid ir— so much of nowadays, but anyway, whenldid ir .— so much of nowadays, but anyway, whenldid ir . ir— so much of nowadays, but anyway, when did it, it seems so much of nowadays, but anyway, when did it , it seems lawless. when i did it, it seems lawless. ihere— when i did it, it seems lawless. ihere ee— when i did it, it seems lawless. there are people— when i did it, it seems lawless. there are people throwing rhinge— there are people throwing things, there— there are people throwing things, there are knives about, here— things, there are knives about, here ee— things, there are knives about, there are people— things, there are knives about, there are people behaving like eheoiure— there are people behaving like eheoiure .— there are people behaving like absolute , absolute barbarians . there are people behaving like absolute , absolute barbarians. i absolute, absolute barbarians. i heve you— absolute, absolute barbarians. i mean, have you been to donald's at mean, have you been to donald's er e— mean, have you been to donald's er e enn— mean, have you been to donald's er e ir— mean, have you been to donald's er e ir ie— mean, have you been to donald's er e ir ie e— mean, have you been to donald's at 3 am? it is a horrific what ern — at 3 am? it is a horrific what ern i— at 3 am? it is a horrific what ern i going— at 3 am? it is a horrific what ern i going ro— at 3 am? it is a horrific what am i going to do— at 3 am? it is a horrific what am i going to do with the eeueeeg— am i going to do with the sausage roll?— am i going to do with the sausage roll? - am i going to do with the sausage roll? t ”g “g sausage roll? people charging people things. people behave like absolute hooligans these like absolute hooligans in these places. istill like absolute hooligans in these places. i still think it should be places. i still think it should he open— places. i still think it should be open overnight,- t i still think it should be open overnight, i be open overnight, but. but i eouir— be open overnight, but. but i court—nighrl be open overnight, but. but ii could—might be could see why there might be concerns. leo— could see why there might be concerns. leo i— could see why there might be concerns. ’:i“ . concerns. leo i don't know whether i'm making guesses by

age whether a home age of whether you're a home owner. you're okay. but owner. no, you're not. okay. but i think a lot of people who own homes or maybe are older, they're blocking that old, but they're blocking that old, but they're blocking that old, but they're blocking . they want they're blocking. they want local pubs and things to close down they say, well, down because they say, well, there's and make there's a bit of noise and make a complaint. but you a complaint. but do you think that's acceptable? think that's acceptable? do you think that's acceptable? do you think that's to run a country? that's a way to run a country? no, i don't. i don't think it is. no, i don't. i don't think it ie. anu— no, i don't. i don't think it ie. one ire— no, i don't. i don't think it is. and it's great- no, i don't. i don't think it is. and it's great to see you our— is. and it's great to see you come out as a— is. and it's great to see you come out as a as- is. and it's great to see you come out as a as a free market eepireiier— come out as a as a free market capitalist right?— come out as a as a free market capitalist right? thatcherite entrepreneurial spirit is blossoming— entrepreneurial spirit is- blossoming—and blossoming within you. and rher-e— blossoming within you. and rher-e greer— blossoming within you. and that's great see. we should that's great to see. we should hueineeeee— that's great to see. we should businesses should be free to set up enr— businesses should be free to set up ene peopie— businesses should be free to set up and people should be free to reveiop— up and people should be free to develop housing— up and people should be free to develop housing so, so that we can alleviate— develop housing so, so that we can alleviate the— develop housing so, so that we can alleviate the housing ehorrege. — can alleviate the housing shortage. think shortage. and i think it's ridiculous.— shortage. and i think it's ridiculous. you- shortage. and i think it's ridiculous. you know, local eurhoriry— ridiculous. you know, local authority planning permissions. eeene—gor seems ridiculous that you've got to seems ridiculous that you've got ro-rhrough— seems ridiculous that you've got to through planning to wade through planning applications— to wade through planning applications to build a conservatory- applications to build a conservatory in your garden , conservatory in your garden, whereee— conservatory in your garden, whereee rhe— conservatory in your garden, whereas the local authority can recite— whereas the local authority can recite ro— whereas the local authority can recite ro pur— whereas the local authority can decide to put 700 _ whereas the local authority can decide to put 700 illegal innigrenre— decide to put 700 illegal immigrants in— decide to put 700 illegal immigrants in your village. it's wirh— immigrants in your village. it's wirh you— immigrants in your village. it's wirh you ger— immigrants in your village. it's wirh you ger no— immigrants in your village. it's with you get no say in it. it seems there's— with you get no say in it. it seems there's no - with you get no say in it. it seems there's no there's no heienee— seems there's no there's no balance there. _ seems there's no there's no balance there. there's no periry. — balance there. there's no periry. pir— balance there. there's no parity. did it—

balance there. there's no parity. “j 3 . 3 balance there. there's no parity. “j 3 . .. 3 . parity. did it used to be like this, though? because, you know, for example, i used to live in in vauxhall in south london, which lots of clubs and which has lots of clubs and they've put big, high rise buildings there. and now some of those venues. and this those nightlife venues. and this is in across is happening in cities across the canal in the country. canal street in manchester the same manchester has had the same thing. people move into thing. the people move into houses shut down the houses and they shut down the businesses. like that businesses. was it like that ten, years ago or has it got ten, 20 years ago or has it got worse? yeah, i mean, i think i rhink— worse? yeah, i mean, i think i rth rhere-e— worse? yeah, i mean, i think i think there's a— 7 yeah, i mean, i think i think there's a problem with peopie— think there's a problem with peopie moving— think there's a problem with people moving into an area. so in sono— people moving into an area. so in soho-whatever— people moving into an area. so in soho whatever and they in soho or whatever and they buy,— in soho or whatever and they buy-know.— in soho or whatever and they buy,-know,-rich- in soho or whatever and they buy, know, rich people, buy, you know, the rich people, rhey— buy, you know, the rich people, hey how— buy, you know, the rich people, rhey huy en— buy, you know, the rich people, they buy an expensive flat and hey— they buy an expensive flat and hey ion-r— they buy an expensive flat and they don't seem— they buy an expensive flat and they don't seem to realise that it's they don't seem to realise that ire-you— they don't seem to realise that ire-you know.- they don't seem to realise that it's-you know, the- it's actually, you know, the eon— it's actually, you know, the sort-cultural— it's actually, you know, the sort cultural hub sort of cultural hub with nighreiuhe— sort of cultural hub with nightclubs things. surprised nightclubs and things. surprised peopie— nightclubs and things. surprised peopie-our— nightclubs and things. surprised peopie-our in- nightclubs and things. surprised people out in soho . people are going out in soho. i ir— people are going out in soho. i g, ire— people are going out in soho. i mean, it, it's ludicrous. i- people are going out in soho. ,. . . .r3 t i went mean, it, it's ludicrous. i went there during the— mean, it, it's ludicrous. i went there during the day- mean, it, it's ludicrous. i went there during the day and- ,. . . .r3 t i went there during the day and they iooking— there during the day and they were looking at— there during the day and they were looking at the flat and hen— were looking at the flat and hen rhey— were looking at the flat and hen rhey ger— were looking at the flat and then they get a— were looking at the flat and then they get a shock at 3 am. hur— then they get a shock at 3 am. hur soho— then they get a shock at 3 am. hur soho wee— then they get a shock at 3 am. but soho was full— then they get a shock at 3 am. but soho was full of sex shops, which— but soho was full of sex shops, which-ger— but soho was full of sex shops, which-ger rhe- but soho was full of sex shops, which get the hint. which you don't get the hint. rher-e— which you don't get the hint. rher-e wher— which you don't get the hint. that's what the— which you don't get the hint. that's what the box. - which you don't get the hint. what that's what the box. what a moment. thank you very much to all of our audience for tuning in, especially, of course, our special guest, lee aukus . thank special guest, lee aukus. thank you. you've been phenomenal.

leo. leo will be back hosting headliners tonight, so make sure you don't miss that. 11:00. next up, it's the brilliant mark dolan with his fantastic saturday night show. i'll see you next week . hello there . very you next week. hello there. very good— you next week. hello there. very good evening.— you next week. hello there. very good evening. welcome- “rtx. hello there. very good evening. welcome to your iereer— good evening. welcome to your latest weather— good evening. welcome to your latest weather update from the her— latest weather update from the her orriee. — latest weather update from the met office. i'm— latest weather update from the met office. i'm jonathan hewrree. — met office. i'm jonathan hewrree. a— met office. i'm jonathan bawtree. a mixture of showers enr— bawtree. a mixture of showers ene ionger— bawtree. a mixture of showers and longer spells— bawtree. a mixture of showers and longer spells of rain to greer— and longer spells of rain to greer ue— and longer spells of rain to greet us throughout sunday, all rhenke— greet us throughout sunday, all rhenke ro— greet us throughout sunday, all thanks to low— greet us throughout sunday, all thanks to low pressure being in energe— thanks to low pressure being in eherge or— thanks to low pressure being in eherge or our— thanks to low pressure being in charge of our weather and bringing— charge of our weather and hringing ue— charge of our weather and bringing us relatively unsettled eonririone— bringing us relatively unsettled eonririone .— bringing us relatively unsettled conditions . the— bringing us relatively unsettled conditions . the isobars conditions. the isobars reieriveiy— conditions. the isobars relatively-out l conditions. the isobars- relatively-out across relatively spaced out across nueh— relatively spaced out across much or— relatively spaced out across much of northern ireland, ingienr— much of northern ireland, england and— much of northern ireland, england and wales and into eourhern— england and wales and into southern scotland. so winds will remain relatively— southern scotland. so winds will remain relatively light throughout— remain relatively light throughout saturday evening and that throughout saturday evening and rher wiri— throughout saturday evening and that will-allow— throughout saturday evening and that will allow some of that will just allow some of rheee— that will just allow some of rheee-rein- that will just allow some of these-rainlbe. these bands of rain to be reieriveiy— these bands of rain to be relatively moving . the these bands of rain to be- relatively-moving . the main relatively slow moving. the main puehing— relatively slow moving. the main puehing inro— relatively slow moving. the main one pushing into areas of eourhern— one pushing into areas of southern england as we head rowerre— southern england as we head rowerre-on— southern england as we head towards on night. towards later on in the night. hur— towards later on in the night. nur genereiiy— towards later on in the night. but generally see a lot of cloud eour— but generally see a lot of cloud around as we head— but generally see a lot of cloud around as we head throughout and that around as we head throughout and rher-horr— around as we head throughout and that hold temperatures up that will hold temperatures up eour— that will hold temperatures up erounr-e c— that will hold temperatures up around-6 c for— that will hold temperatures up around 6 c for most. but around 5 or 6 c for most. but perhepe— around 5 or 6 c for most. but perhepe-inro— around 5 or 6 c for most. but perhaps-into low- around 5 or 6 c for most. but perhaps into low single perhaps down into low single riguree—eee- perhaps down into low singlei figures—see some figures where we do see some eheirer— figures where we do see some eheirerlrurei— figures where we do see some shelter rural spots. so shelter in rural spots. so a eioury— shelter in rural spots. so a eroury eren— shelter in rural spots. so a cloudy start to _ shelter in rural spots. so a cloudy start to sunday morning enr— cloudy start to sunday morning ene rhie—

cloudy start to sunday morning and this band— cloudy start to sunday morning and this band of— cloudy start to sunday morning and this band of rain in the eourh— and this band of rain in the eourh ie— and this band of rain in the south is going— and this band of rain in the south is going to push its way inro— south is going to push its way into-south—east.- south is going to push its way into south—east. so worth a into the south—east. so worth a weren— into the south—east. so worth a wereh—ere- into the south—east. so worth a watch—are running. watch point if you are running the-marathon.- watch point if you are running the-marathon. it- watch point if you are running the marathon. it could be the london marathon. it could be rerher— the london marathon. it could be rerher wer— the london marathon. it could be rather wet. -sharp- the london marathon. it could be rather wet. sharp showers rather wet. some sharp showers reveioping— rather wet. some sharp showers developing perhaps developing elsewhere. perhaps the-isolated— developing elsewhere. perhaps the isolated rumble of the very isolated rumble of hunger— the very isolated rumble of rhunrer in— the very isolated rumble of thunder in mixture of those as weir.— thunder in mixture of those as weir—puehing- thunder in mixture of those as well._pushing its. well. further rain pushing its way— well. further rain pushing its way-north—east- well. further rain pushing its way north—east scotland and way into north—east scotland and rher— way into north—east scotland and rher-winrry— way into north—east scotland and that-wintry over- way into north—east scotland and that-wintry over the- that could fall wintry over the higher— that could fall wintry over the higher-ee— that could fall wintry over the higher-eeieee- that could fall wintry over the higher as see some higher ground as we see some eoirer— higher ground as we see some rower-ire— higher ground as we see some colder-its way- higher ground as we see some colder-its way in- higher ground as we see some colder its way in from colder air dig its way in from rhe— colder air dig its way in from he nonh— colder air dig its way in from the north and— colder air dig its way in from the north and really feeling much— the north and really feeling much colder— the north and really feeling much colder compared to where we heve—.— much colder compared to where we heve—. ihoee- much colder compared to where we have_. those showersi have been of late. those showers wiri— have been of late. those showers wiii genereiiy— have been of late. those showers will generally ease— have been of late. those showers will generally ease off as we need— will generally ease off as we need inro— will generally ease off as we head into the— will generally ease off as we head into the overnight period, enr— head into the overnight period, ene-wiri— head into the overnight period, and .will allow— head into the overnight period, and will allow more in the and that will allow more in the way— and that will allow more in the wey-epeiie— and that will allow more in the way spells develop. way of clear spells to develop. so way of clear spells to develop. so-ehiiiier- way of clear spells to develop. so-chillier night- way of clear spells to develop. so chillier night to so a slightly chillier night to come as we head into the early houre— come as we head into the early houreliionrey— come as we head into the early hours monday morning. some hours of monday morning. some perehy— hours of monday morning. some perehy-enr— hours of monday morning. some patchy-and there. - hours of monday morning. some patchy and there. but patchy frost here and there. but we-ve—puehingl we've got further rain pushing tron—inro- we've got further rain pushing. from—into wales from northern ireland into wales and-southern- from northern ireland into wales and-southern areas. from northern ireland into wales and southern areas of and down into southern areas of england—the- and down into southern areas of england the morning england throughout the morning eeweh— england throughout the morning shower was still— england throughout the morning shower was still streaming their way— shower was still streaming their wew-nowhere- shower was still streaming their way northern areas of way in across northern areas of seemed,— way in across northern areas of scotland-falling- way in across northern areas of scotland, falling asleep and scotland, now falling asleep and hail scotland, now falling asleep and hen ee— scotland, now falling asleep and hen to lower— scotland, now falling asleep and hail to lower levels even here and— hail to lower levels even here and sewe— hail to lower levels even here and some wintry— hail to lower levels even here and some wintry ness pushing wee— and some wintry ness pushing wee easeme— and some wintry ness pushing into eastern coast— and some wintry ness pushing into eastern coast as well. it is easeme— into eastern coast as well. it is eastern coast— into eastern coast as well. it is eastern coast that will see we— is eastern coast that will see the strongest— is eastern coast that will see the strongest winds throughout monday— the strongest winds throughout monday whee— the strongest winds throughout monday where those isobars are slightly— monday where those isobars are slightly -together. - monday where those isobars are slridge -together.-

monday where those isobars are slridge of together. monday where those isobars are slridge of high together. monday where those isobars are slridge of high pressure|er. a ridge of high pressure bending— a ridge of high pressure building tuesday to help building in for tuesday to help eeene— building in for tuesday to help eeme winge— building in for tuesday to help settle things down at least. but ewere— settle things down at least. but were-ehe— settle things down at least. but there-the risk— settle things down at least. but there-the risk of— settle things down at least. but there the risk of further settle things down at least. but ther

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