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gbnews.uk. but before we start tearing each other apart, it is your saturday night news with ray addison . here's the latest ray addison. here's the latest from the gb newsroom the prime minister has chaired an emergency cobra meeting as fierce fighting in sudan enters its second week, government forces are battling with a paramilitary group over control of the capital, khartoum. sudan's military claims foreign hohohohe— sudan's military claims foreign nationals and— sudan's military claims foreign nationals and diplomats , nationals and diplomats, hehuohe— nationals and diplomats, including those from the uk, us , hhe— including those from the uk, us , he ahe— including those from the uk, us , france and china,— including those from the uk, us , france and china, are to be evacuated.— , france and china, are to be evacuated. the— , france and china, are to be evacuated. the world health orgohheohoh— evacuated. the world health organisation says more than 400 heohhe— organisation says more than 400 people hove— organisation says more than 400 people have been— organisation says more than 400 people have been killed and thousands— people have been killed and thousands injured since the vhohehee— thousands injured since the violence began— thousands injured since the violence began . the snp has violence began. the snp has oppohheo— violence began. the snp has appointed stuart mcdonald as the party's— appointed stuart mcdonald as the pohy-e he— appointed stuart mcdonald as the party's new treasurer following the resignation— party's new treasurer following the resignation of msp colin heathe— the resignation of msp colin heohhe. m.— the resignation of msp colin beattie. mr beattie stepped down after— beattie. mr beattie stepped down he he— beattie. mr beattie stepped down he he woe— beattie. mr beattie stepped down after he was arrested by police hveehgohhe— after he was arrested by police investigating snp finance . he investigating snp finance. he heter— investigating snp finance. he

was later released without charge — was later released without charge ahe— was later released without charge and the— was later released without charge and the party's former ehheh— charge and the party's former chief executive— charge and the party's former chief executive ,_ charge and the party's former chief executive , peter murrell, chief executive, peter murrell, who— chief executive, peter murrell, who woe— chief executive, peter murrell, who oheo — chief executive, peter murrell, who was also nicola sturgeon huehonh— who was also nicola sturgeon hueheho, we— who was also nicola sturgeon husband, was also arrested and oueehoheo— husband, was also arrested and questioned before— husband, was also arrested and questioned before being released . hohee— questioned before being released . hohee ee— questioned before being released . police are investigating the oh— . police are investigating the use of £600,000— . police are investigating the use of £600,000 in donations heehe— use of £600,000 in donations heehe hor— use of £600,000 in donations meant for the— use of £600,000 in donations meant for the independent referendum— meant for the independent referendum ._ meant for the independent referendum . a— meant for the independent referendum . a serving member of referendum. a serving member of the hhheh— referendum. a serving member of the british armed— referendum. a serving member of the british armed forces has eooeeeo— the british armed forces has eppeeee h— the british armed forces has appeared in court charged with oheheee— appeared in court charged with offences under— appeared in court charged with offences under the official secrete— offences under the official secrets act— offences under the official secrets act ._ offences under the official secrets act . 36 - offences under the official secrets act . 36 year old thomas secrets act. 36 year old thomas weeo— secrets act. 36 year old thomas weeo he— secrets act. 36 year old thomas newson is accused— secrets act. 36 year old thomas newson is accused of sharing hhehw— newson is accused of sharing highly sensitive— newson is accused of sharing highly sensitive military information— highly sensitive military information ._ highly sensitive military information . he's alleged to information. he's alleged to hewe— information. he's alleged to have shared— information. he's alleged to have shared a— information. he's alleged to have shared a ten page document through— have shared a ten page document through eoeheh— have shared a ten page document through social media to two senior officers— through social media to two senior officers who did have clearance and— senior officers who did have clearance and one civilian who did clearance and one civilian who he hoe. — clearance and one civilian who did not. prosser_ clearance and one civilian who did not. prosser tutors claim if the— did not. prosser tutors claim if the hho— did not. prosser tutors claim if the hho wee— did not. prosser tutors claim if the info was leaked, it would hewe— the info was leaked, it would have caused— the info was leaked, it would have caused a— the info was leaked, it would have caused a real and immediate ehreee— have caused a real and immediate ehreee eo— have caused a real and immediate threat to british— have caused a real and immediate threat to british people outside of the— threat to british people outside oh the uh— threat to british people outside oh the we .— threat to british people outside of the uk. he's— threat to british people outside of the uk. he's due in court eeeh— of the uk. he's due in court eeeh oh— of the uk. he's due in court again on friday.— of the uk. he's due in court again on friday. the family of shepheh— again on friday. the family of stephen lawrence have held a hehoheh— stephen lawrence have held a memorial service— stephen lawrence have held a memorial service in trafalgar squee— memorial service in trafalgar square eo— memorial service in trafalgar square to mark— memorial service in trafalgar square to mark the 30th ehhweeew— square to mark the 30th anniversary of- square to mark the 30th anniversary of his murder. the 18 anniversary of his murder. the he year—

anniversary of his murder. the he year ow— anniversary of his murder. the 18 year old was— anniversary of his murder. the 18 year old was killed in a reche— 18 year old was killed in a racist attack— 18 year old was killed in a racist attack while waiting for a racist attack while waiting for e hue— racist attack while waiting for e hue h— racist attack while waiting for a bus in south— racist attack while waiting for a bus in south east london. it's eheeeo— a bus in south east london. it's ehegeo thee— a bus in south east london. it's alleged that the— a bus in south east london. it's alleged that the original investigation— alleged that the original investigation was hindered by racism-police— investigation was hindered by racism police corruption , racism and police corruption, heehhe— racism and police corruption, heehhe h— racism and police corruption, meaning it took— racism and police corruption, meaning it took almost 20 years for two— meaning it took almost 20 years for two of— meaning it took almost 20 years for two of he— meaning it took almost 20 years for two of his killers to face huehee— for two of his killers to face justice. labour— for two of his killers to face justice. labour have condemned hohhhe— justice. labour have condemned dominic raabs_ justice. labour have condemned dominic raabs behaviour since his dominic raabs behaviour since hhe reehehehoh— dominic raabs behaviour since his resignation yesterday , his resignation yesterday, eeuhe— his resignation yesterday, eehhe h— his resignation yesterday, calling it appalling and saying he ehouhhh— calling it appalling and saying he shouldn't be— calling it appalling and saying he shouldn't be blaming his accusers for— he shouldn't be blaming his accusers for his— he shouldn't be blaming his accusers for his downfall. the home— accusers for his downfall. the former eepuw— accusers for his downfall. the former deputy prime minister reehgmeo— former deputy prime minister resigned after— former deputy prime minister resigned after an investigation uhheho— resigned after an investigation upheho two— resigned after an investigation uphehe two of— resigned after an investigation upheld two of the bullying ehegehome— upheld two of the bullying allegations made against him. mr heeh— allegations made against him. mr heeh ehehme— allegations made against him. mr heeh ehehme e— allegations made against him. mr raab claims a minority of those whhh— raab claims a minority of those within whitehall— raab claims a minority of those within whitehall are effectively hyme— within whitehall are effectively ewme eo— within whitehall are effectively ewmg ho moch— within whitehall are effectively trying to block government . trying to block government. heherue-e— trying to block government. belarus's military has completed uhee— belarus's military has completed nuclear weapons— belarus's military has completed nuclear weapons launch training in nuclear weapons launch training hm hueehe— nuclear weapons launch training hm hueehe .— nuclear weapons launch training hm hueehe . h— nuclear weapons launch training in russia . it comes after in russia. it comes after hheehoem— in russia. it comes after president putin said moscow wowe— president putin said moscow would station _ president putin said moscow would station tactical nuclear weehoe— would station tactical nuclear weehoe h— would station tactical nuclear weapons in the— would station tactical nuclear weapons in the neighbouring eoumw— weapons in the neighbouring eoumw .— weapons in the neighbouring eoumw . h-e— weapons in the neighbouring country . it's thought that country. it's thought that wehheeoe— country. it's thought that warheads could be moved to ehoheee— warheads could be moved to storage facilities— warheads could be moved to storage facilities in belarus by july-— storage facilities in belarus by julv- hem— storage facilities in belarus by julv- hem hewe— storage facilities in belarus by july. many have seen that as a wemhe— july. many have seen that as a wemhe ho— july. many have seen that as a warning to nato— july. many have seen that as a warning to nato over its mhhhew— warning to nato over its military support for ukraine.

hhhuhe— military support for ukraine. tribute routes— military support for ukraine. tribute routes have poured in for australian— tribute routes have poured in for australian entertainer barry humhhhee— for australian entertainer barry humphries, who— for australian entertainer barry humphries, who has died at the age— humphries, who has died at the ege oh— humphries, who has died at the ege oh ee— humphries, who has died at the age of 89 during— humphries, who has died at the age of 89 during a seven decade career. he was best— age of 89 during a seven decade career. he was best known for his career. he was best known for hhe eheh— career. he was best known for hhe eheh egoe— career. he was best known for his alter egos, including dame home— his alter egos, including dame home hweheee— his alter egos, including dame edna everage and sir les heheheom— edna everage and sir les heheheom .— edna everage and sir les patterson . actor jason donovan patterson. actor jason donovan oeeehheo— patterson. actor jason donovan described him _ patterson. actor jason donovan described him as— patterson. actor jason donovan described him as an entertaining eemue— described him as an entertaining eemue .— described him as an entertaining gemhue . hhe— described him as an entertaining genius . the australian prime genius. the australian prime wmheheh— genius. the australian prime minister paid— genius. the australian prime minister paid tribute to him as wen,— minister paid tribute to him as weh, eehhe— minister paid tribute to him as well, calling him _ minister paid tribute to him as well, calling him the brightest eter— well, calling him the brightest eheh h— well, calling him the brightest eheh hm e— well, calling him the brightest star in a galaxy— well, calling him the brightest star in a galaxy of personas as oh hw— star in a galaxy of personas as we're on tv online_ star in a galaxy of personas as we're on tv online , on dab+ we're on tv online, on dab+ heoho— we're on tv online, on dab+ heoho emo— we're on tv online, on dab+ heoho me oh— we're on tv online, on dab+ radio and on tune- we're on tv online, on dab+ radio and on tune in to this is gb radio and on tune in to this is oh newe— radio and on tune in to this is gb news. back— radio and on tune in to this is gb news. back now to the . gb news. back now to the. sehuwhew— gb news. back now to the. saturday five. _ saturday five. lee.- saturday five. . yes, it- saturday five. i yes, it is. saturday five. yes, it is saturday night. and you're with the saturday five. i'm carver, can i'm emily carver, and i can promise are for in a very promise you are for in a very lively hour. no one gets out of this studio until have put this studio until we have put the rights . so let's the world to rights. so let's

crack with tonight's first crack on with tonight's first debate. now the brilliant leo kearse tonight . so kearse is our guest tonight. so of course, we are going to throw him the lion's den of course, we are going to throw him make the lion's den of course, we are going to throw him make him the lion's den of course, we are going to throw him make him go :he lion's den of course, we are going to throw him make him go first.>n's den of course, we are going to throw him make him go first. notden of course, we are going to throw him make him go first. not sure and make him go first. not sure why he picked this topic, but leo going tell us why leo is going to tell us why bullying is good. let's start the clock. i stand with dominic raab can't believe that raab and i can't believe that grown adults in the civil service complained that he was bullied them. oh, my god. are you— bullied them. oh, my god. are you e— bullied them. oh, my god. are you e mue— bullied them. oh, my god. are you a little baby?— bullied them. oh, my god. are you a little baby? get- bullied them. oh, my god. are you a little baby? get a- c22 oh, my god. are you a little baby? get a grip hi: oh, my god. are you a little baby? get a grip . you a little baby? get a grip. hook— you a little baby? get a grip. hooh ue— you a little baby? get a grip. took us millions— you a little baby? get a grip. took us millions of years of ewohuhoh— took us millions of years of evolution to— took us millions of years of evolution to grow a spine. ooh-h.— evolution to grow a spine. ooh-h. ooh-h— evolution to grow a spine. don't. don't lose it immediately. it's ridiculous . immediately. it's ridiculous. amh— immediately. it's ridiculous. who huh.— immediately. it's ridiculous. and billy. billy— immediately. it's ridiculous. and billy. billy is just a hate eheeeh— and billy. billy is just a hate eoeeeh ehuh— and billy. billy is just a hate speech slur that's used by lazy weehhhee— speech slur that's used by lazy weehhhee ho— speech slur that's used by lazy weaklings to describe people who are weaklings to describe people who heheh— weaklings to describe people who are better than— weaklings to describe people who are better than them. the eheeehohe— are better than them. the allegations against dominic just ooh-h— allegations against dominic just ooh-h eheho— allegations against dominic just ooh-h ehemh uh.— allegations against dominic just don't stand up. apparently, when he wee— don't stand up. apparently, when he was handed— don't stand up. apparently, when he was handed some work, he said he— he was handed some work, he said hhhe hen-h— he was handed some work, he said hhhe heh-h gooe— he was handed some work, he said this isn't good enough . that's this isn't good enough. that's bullying-— this isn't good enough. that's huhwmg. wo— this isn't good enough. that's bullying. no, that's not bullying-— bullying. no, that's not bullying. that's some work that hen-h— bullying. that's some work that heh-h gooe— bullying. that's some work that isn't good enough. and you need to isn't good enough. and you need ho hum— isn't good enough. and you need ho hueh uh— isn't good enough. and you need ho hueh up you— isn't good enough. and you need to buck up your ideas, your oxygen— to buck up your ideas, your oxygen hhheh— to buck up your ideas, your oxygen hhheh .— to buck up your ideas, your oxygen thief . another allegation oxygen thief. another allegation was oxygen thief. another allegation thet— oxygen thief. another allegation the he — oxygen thief. another allegation was that he threw— oxygen thief. another allegation was that he threw cherry homehoee— was that he threw cherry tomatoes-of- was that he threw cherry tomatoes of the was that he threw cherry- tomatoes-of the civil tomatoes at some of the civil eeweme.— tomatoes at some of the civil servants. listen,— tomatoes at some of the civil servants. listen, have you ever met— servants. listen, have you ever

met e— servants. listen, have you ever met e huhhe— servants. listen, have you ever met a public sector worker? the ohhy— met a public sector worker? the ohhy wey— met a public sector worker? the ohhy wey you— met a public sector worker? the ohhy wey you eh— met a public sector worker? the only way you can get them to he hy— only way you can get them to move is by throwing your lunch at move is by throwing your lunch eh-heeoe. — move is by throwing your lunch at heads. ridiculous. at their heads. it's ridiculous. amh— at their heads. it's ridiculous. who they— at their heads. it's ridiculous. and they need.— at their heads. it's ridiculous. and they need. they need civil eeweme— and they need. they need civil servants need— and they need. they need civil servants need to— and they need. they need civil servants need to need some mohwehom— servants need to need some motivation. they— servants need to need some motivation. they need some huhyme— motivation. they need some bullying ho— motivation. they need some bullying to light the fire under her— bullying to light the fire under hheh—oowhl their feet. they're going down to their feet. they're going down ho e— their feet. they're going down ho e two— their feet. they're going down ho e hwo hey— their feet. they're going down to a two day week. honestly, the own— to a two day week. honestly, the ewe eewhee— to a two day week. honestly, the civil service has— to a two day week. honestly, the civil service has been captured by_-_ civil service has been captured hy—. leo,- civil service has been captured hy—. leo, hhehel civil service has been capturedi by_. leo, that's all by a woke blob. leo, that's all ooh. — by a woke blob. leo, that's all we've got. time— by a woke blob. leo, that's all we've got. time for- by a woke blob. leo, that's all we've got. 13h“ by a woke blob. leo, that's all we've got. with" by a woke blob. leo, that's all we've got. ch" we've got. time for on that one. well, we've got. time for on that one. wewwt ehohe— we've got. time for on that one. well, strong stuff.— we've got. with“ well, strong stuff. although, eehuewwyt— well, strong stuff. although, eehuewwyt h— well, strong stuff. although, actually, i heard he did actually, i heard that he did hot— actually, i heard that he did hot-my— actually, i heard that he did not-any fruit- actually, i heard that he did not any fruit that was a not throw any fruit that was a ewuh— not throw any fruit that was a ewuh eeeheh— not throw any fruit that was a slur against dominic raab, eeeheh— slur against dominic raab, egemeh the— slur against dominic raab, against the man itself. but it ooee— against the man itself. but it ooee hewe— against the man itself. but it does have good. _ against the man itself. but it does have good. lw�*h�*iccc against the man itself. but it does have good. �*ifhhitcc does have good. well, you know, we into the debate as to we get into the debate as to whether a tomato is a fruit or a vegetable. i don't care as long as it's thrown at somebody's head. where this this head. where does this this ghevehee— head. where does this this grievance towards- : where does this this grievance towards civil servants hhome — grievance towards civil servants hhome ._ grievance towards civil servants come from? i used— grievance towards civil servants come from? : grievance towards civil servants come from? ti come from? i used to work in the civil service , so i was laughing civil service, so i was laughing until i worked in the public sector and i'd just seen the profligacy and waste and laziness of my colleagues and myself. i mean, i took advantage as well, was, was disgusting. and what you see now in the civil service, it's been captured by a woke blob, which

benjamin but benjamin probably enjoys, but they're not doing. they're not doing bidding of elected doing the bidding of elected representatives. people didn't elect the civil service. they elected dominic raab to tell the civil service what to do. and i think it's anti—democrat btec to not follow his wishes . do you not follow his wishes. do you think there's a— not follow his wishes. do you think there's a sense- ti do you think there's a sense that heuee— think there's a sense that heuee oh— think there's a sense that because of all— think there's a sense that because of all of the shenanigans that went on under hohe— shenanigans that went on under boris-government- shenanigans that went on under boris government with boris johnson's government with whh— boris johnson's government with with ministers— boris johnson's government with with ministers not— boris johnson's government with with ministers not being sacked for misconduct— with ministers not being sacked for misconduct and breaking the mhhehehew— for misconduct and breaking the ministerial code— for misconduct and breaking the ministerial code that we've seen hom— ministerial code that we've seen hohh whe— ministerial code that we've seen hohh whz hhuee— ministerial code that we've seen both liz truss and— ministerial code that we've seen both liz truss and rishi sunak eehuehy— both liz truss and rishi sunak eehuehy he— both liz truss and rishi sunak actually be quite— both liz truss and rishi sunak actually be quite heavy handed whh— actually be quite heavy handed with ministers. _ actually be quite heavy handed with ministers. �*ifhhi; actually be quite heavy handed with ministers. we saw liz truss sack, conor burns, we seen rishi sunak let go of dominic raab. do you think perhaps they're heme— do you think perhaps they're being heewy— do you think perhaps they're being heavy handed because boris yohheoh— being heavy handed because boris hohheoh wee— being heavy handed because boris johnson was too— being heavy handed because boris johnson was too light touch ? johnson was too light touch? hem.— johnson was too light touch? veeh. mu— johnson was too light touch? yeah, and this— johnson was too light touch? yeah, and this is,— johnson was too light touch? yeah, and this is, this- johnson was too light touch? yeah, and this is, this is- yeah, and this is, this is a tale as old as time. you know, people in the civil service, they don't want, they don't want people that they don't agree with ideologically and with ideologically albie and they make they don't want people who make them because that's them do work because that's nobody the public sector nobody joins the public sector to any so they use to do any work. so they use weapons such as bullying allegations to get people

dethroned from their positions and i mean, i think i think rishi was a bit hasty to get rid of dominic raab. i think the electorate liked the idea of somebody going in and shaking things up a so yeah, things up a bit. so yeah, i think it was, it was too soon. but. leo do you reckon that they wouwo— but. leo do you reckon that they wouwo hewe— but. leo do you reckon that they wouwo hewe e— leo do you reckon that they would have a problem if it was a wehouh— would have a problem if it was a labour minister— would have a problem if it was a labour minister telling them to do labour minister telling them to ho hhhee— labour minister telling them to do things because actually they mhehh— do things because actually they mhehh ouhe— do things because actually they might quite like— do things because actually they might quite like policies might quite like the policies the— might quite like the policies the the— might quite like the policies that the government that the labour government are hewhhg—hel telling them to put in place. is the— telling them to put in place. is the he— telling them to put in place. is the he the— telling them to put in place. is this, is this an— telling them to put in place. is this, is this an ideological hhohweme— this, is this an ideological phohweme — this, is this an ideological problem? ' law this, is this an ideological problem? ' child «wilt? this, is this an ideological- problem? absolutely, yes. so the woke blob, it's no, it's woke blob, i mean, it's no, it's no secret that the civil service, the public sector are overwhelmingly left wing. so they don't want to do the bidding of dominic raab and the government, who were elected by the people. they don't want to do people want to do what the people want them to do. and seen this in the, do. and we've seen this in the, you know, the chats that were coming in the home office, coming up in the home office, people, people civil people, people posting civil servants they servants posting that they they disagreed so strongly the disagreed so strongly with the rwanda plan. and they were going to they were going to leave the civil service as soon they civil service as soon as they picked up their pension. so yeah, mean, they don't want to

yeah, i mean, they don't want to do government tells do what the government tells them do and that's them to do. and that's that's that's the problem . i that's part of the problem. i mean, i think that's obviously eomhwehewy— mean, i think that's obviously completely ridiculous. and the hum— completely ridiculous. and the hum-own— completely ridiculous. and the truth civil servants are truth is that civil servants are the ones who had do the the ones who had to do the actual of working out actual hard yards of working out how you undid 50 years of being in the eu. that's been an howeohhhy— ti that's been an incredibly laborious process and it's incredibly laborious process and h-e-heohwe— incredibly laborious process and h-e-heohhe hheh- incredibly laborious process and it's people that we it's faceless people that we ooh-h— it's faceless people that we ooh-h mow, — it's faceless people that we don't know, whose names we don't see don't know, whose names we don't h— don't know, whose names we don't he he— don't know, whose names we don't he he ee— don't know, whose names we don't see in the news that— don't know, whose names we don't see in the news that actually don't know, whose names we don't see to the news that actually don't know, whose names we don't see to do news that actually don't know, whose names we don't see to do that. that actually don't know, whose names we don't see to do that. whenictually don't know, whose names we don't see to do that. when dominic had to do that. when dominic heeh— had to do that. when dominic raawaexamplew_ had to do that. when dominic raab, example, when he was raab, for example, when he was hoheheh— foreign secretary, was eooehemwy— foreign secretary, was apparently to foreign secretary, was. apparently-to go foreign secretary, was- apparently-to go and apparently too lazy to go and eoh— apparently too lazy to go and eoh out— apparently too lazy to go and sort out people's— apparently too lazy to go and sort out people's lives being at mew— sort out people's lives being at heh h— sort out people's lives being at risk in afghanistan, he claimed the-chem.— risk in afghanistan, he claimed the-closed. so- risk in afghanistan, he claimed the closed. so this idea the sea was closed. so this idea , vou— the sea was closed. so this idea , you mow,— the sea was closed. so this idea , you know,-bullies- the sea was closed. so this idea , you know, bullies are , you know, often bullies are u...— , you know, often bullies are the-people— , you know, often bullies are the-heohhe ,_ , you know, often bullies are the people , right? "cl; ”c: the lazy people, right? they're trying— the lazy people, right? they're trying overcompensate for trying to overcompensate for their own inadequacies. and i think raab might— their own inadequacies. and i think raab might be- their own inadequacies. and i think raab might be in- ::i andi think raab might be in that eemh. — think raab might be in that eemp. wen.— think raab might be in that camp. well, it's- think raab might be in that camp. i d camp. well, it's great that you bnng camp. well, it's great that you bring up brexit as an example of something the civil service something that the civil service has brakes on and has really put the brakes on and tried to tried to get in the way and make of because they and make a mess of because they don't to succeed. they don't want it to succeed. they don't want it to succeed. they don't something that their don't want something that their ideology to, ideology hinckley opposed to, such brexit, be a success. such as brexit, to be a success. do know what, having spoken do you know what, having spoken to people within the civil

service, actually sort service, actually the sort of political isn't the political ideology isn't the biggest it's the fact, biggest problem. it's the fact, as said biggest problem. it's the fact, ee-eeho h— biggest problem. it's the fact, as-said in your— biggest problem. it's the fact, as-said in your little- as you said in your little eheeeh— as you said in your little speech there,— as you said in your little speech there, there's a culture of speech there, there's a culture oh tothe— speech there, there's a culture oh home the— speech there, there's a culture of doing the bare— speech there, there's a culture of doing the bare minimum emoheeh— of doing the bare minimum amongst some— of doing the bare minimum amongst some of them, whereas of there— amongst some of them, whereas of hhewe ee— amongst some of them, whereas of course there are brilliant peohwe— course there are brilliant- peopwe—eewhee people within the civil service . wehy— people within the civil service . wehy oh— people within the civil service . hehy oh-hoh— people within the civil service . many of top graduates go . many of our top graduates go no— . many of our top graduates go hmo-ehww— . many of our top graduates go into-civil-and- into the civil service and they-he— into the civil service and they're working. but there they're hard working. but there are they're hard working. but there ewe—oo— they're hard working. but there ewe—ho hehe- they're hard working. but there are-do take the- they're hard working. but there are do take the mick are some who do take the mick eno— are some who do take the mick and we've seen how many are ehueh— and we've seen how many are ehueh working— and we've seen how many are stuck working from home for far woheeh— stuck working from home for far home then— stuck working from home for far longer than people other longer than people in other hueheeeee— longer than people in other businesses areas longer than people in other. businesses-areas of businesses and other areas of the. — businesses and other areas of the. li— businesses and other areas of life..| think— businesses and other areas of life..| think-got- life. so i think that's got eomehhhe— life. so i think that's got something to— life. so i think that's got something to do with it. a bit of incompetence,— something to do with it. a bit of incompetence, perhaps? yeah. aho— of incompetence, perhaps? yeah. and-much— of incompetence, perhaps? yeah. and much presenteeism as and so much presenteeism as wet. — and so much presenteeism asi weww. —wohheu and so much presenteeism as. well. _worked in well. i mean, when i worked in the sector, all you had well. i mean, when i worked in lh1d0 sector, all you had well. i mean, when i worked in lh1d0 was sector, all you had well. i mean, when i worked in lh1d0 was turn or, all you had well. i mean, when i worked in lh1d0 was turn up all you had well. i mean, when i worked in lh1d0 was turn up with ou had well. i mean, when i worked in lh1d0 was turn up with a had well. i mean, when i worked in lh1d0 was turn up with a with to do was turn up with a with a suit and a tie on and sit there and you could be doing whatever as long as you looked like you might possibly be working. but now don't even have to do now you don't even have to do that. more about that. everybody say more about you, it does about, you, leo, than it does about, you, leo, than it does about, you former you know, your former colleagues. it was the culture. nothing. nothing do me. nothing. nothing to do with me. i've absorbed it by i've just absorbed it by osmosis. fact that still osmosis. the fact that i still do it news is completely if do it gb news is completely if i want to know, do we need more bullying? why do we need more

huwwyhge — bullying? why do we need more huwwyhge we— bullying? why do we need more bullying? we need— bullying? why do we need more bullying? we need to- bullying? why do we need morei bullying? we need to-back bullying? we need to bring back bullying. look at the state of young people now. we need to bnng young people now. we need to bring back national service. we need bullying. people need bullying. all these people saying, need bullying. all these people sayithey're violence is no, they're not violence is violence violence. and you violence is violence. and you should some. but if should be getting some. but if you're if your daughter- : wghi.w tiwg but if you're if your daughter was being— you're if your daughter was hehe-huheehyl you're if your daughter was- being-nursery, would being bullied at nursery, would you eey— being bullied at nursery, would you eey thet— being bullied at nursery, would you say that-need- being bullied at nursery, would you say that need more you say that we need more huwwyhge — you say that we need more huwwyhge we.— you say that we need more bullying? no, of- you say that we need more bullying? \whitw wtwitw. you say that we need more bullying? \wwitw i you say that we need more bullying? \wwitw wtwitw. bullying? no, of course not. but my daughter going to be my daughter is going to be taught soon as can walk. taught as soon as she can walk. so she's going to be bully. so she's going to be the bully. i there is a real i mean, i think there is a real thing here that people actually see, even if you give an see, even though if you give an example albie did, example like albie just did, then say, oh, i want then they would say, oh, i want my kid bullied. or if my kid to be bullied. or if they've maybe been- w: : or if they've maybe been on the weeewhg— they've maybe been on the receiving end,— they've maybe been on the receiving end, they might be oh— receiving end, they might be aware of how— receiving end, they might be aware of how it— receiving end, they might be aware of how it it can have aware of how it can it can have aware of how it can it can have e-ehheeh— aware of how it can it can have e-ehheeh oh— aware of how it can it can have e-ehheeh on e— aware of how it can it can have a effect on a person. a real effect on a person. but eohueuy— a real effect on a person. but eehuewwy when — a real effect on a person. but actually when they look at politicians, whether it's this dominic raab case or back to dominic raab case or go back to gordon who accused gordon brown, who was accused of bullying he bullying quite famously when he was of was prime minister, accused of throwing a phone, let alone a cherry tomato phones were big in those were 2009, but those days. they were 2009, but eno— those days. they were 2009, but eho-wohoew— those days. they were 2009, but and-wonder whether- : they were 2009, but and wonder whether people and so i wonder whether people eehuewwy— and so i wonder whether people eehuewwy-hhe— and so i wonder whether people actually-like the- actually quite like the attraction— actually quite like the attraction bullying from attraction of bullying from other— attraction of bullying from other people because they see it as a as a code word— other people because they see it as a as a code word for tough

when— as a as a code word for tough when actually— as a as a code word for tough when actually when they're on the—oh- when actually when they're on the—oh h- when actually when they're on the—oh h theyl the receiving end of it, they teno— the receiving end of it, they tend—complete. tend to take the complete oppoehe— tend to take the complete opposite because they know opposite view because they know it's opposite view because they know the—hemme- opposite view because they know it's—helping peoplei it's probably not helping people to work hard or feel comfortable. yeah, absolutely. anu— comfortable. yeah, absolutely. who—eeue- comfortable. yeah, absolutely. and-adults to- and i think for adults to complain bullying, i think complain about bullying, i think you've to you've to you've got to you've got to evolve to you've got to learn evolve to be you've got to learn to a more assertive and to be a bit more assertive and stand up to people. i mean, in school also, i think i think, you know, bullying inoculates children world. you know, bullying inoculates children know, world. you know, bullying inoculates childrenknow, they world. you know, bullying inoculates children know, they toughen so, you know, they toughen up when a of when they receive a bit of i mean, i was bullied heavily and clearly. i'm incredibly tough. so clearly. i'm incredibly tough. so the— clearly. i'm incredibly tough. so that explains— clearly. i'm incredibly tough. so that explains it.- i i'm incredibly tough. so that explains it. well, there you— so that explains it. well, there you go. — so that explains it. well, there you to. h— so that explains it. well, there you to. h hem-h— so that explains it. well, there you go. it hasn't impacted you at you go. it hasn't impacted you eh eh.— you go. it hasn't impacted you at all, benjamin.— you go. it hasn't impacted you at all, benjamin. but you know whet.— at all, benjamin. but you know what—somei at all, benjamin. but you know. wheht—eome oh what, though, looking at some of the—thet— what, though, looking at some of the—met wee- what, though, looking at some of the that were made, the allegations that were made, eooehemwy— the allegations that were made, apparently complained the allegations that were made, apparently raab complained the allegations that were made, apparently raab afterplained the allegations that were made, apparently raab after he'd ed about dominic raab after he'd eee— messed up the brexit negotiations gibraltar negotiations with gibraltar eomeeheeoh— negotiations with gibraltar. competence. _ not competence. right. that's not bullying-— competence. right. that's not huwwyhg. huh— competence. right. that's not bullying. but anyway, folks, up hem— bullying. but anyway, folks, up hem-tothe— bullying. but anyway, folks, up next, going emily next, it's going to be emily cowh— next, it's going to be emily colvin. she's— next, it's going to be emily colvin. she's going to tell us why—hth- colvin. she's going to tell us why—hehh hol why the judge was right to sentence dartford crossing sentence the dartford crossing bridge-— sentence the dartford crossing bridge. sailors— sentence the dartford crossing bridge. sailors from the just shoo— bridge. sailors from the just shop eh— bridge. sailors from the just shop on ho— bridge. sailors from the just stop oil to prison start the hook— stop oil to prison start the hook . — stop oil to prison start the clock . well,— stop oil to prison start the clock . well, well,- stop oil to prison start the clock . �*ifhwitcc stop oil to prison start the- clock . well, well, well. how the clock. well, well, well. how the mighty have fallen. it must have seemed like such a cunning plan to scale the bridge over the

dartford crossing and hoist a just stop oil banner for all to see. for and wide. but unfortunately- for and wide. but unfortunately for the two lads hwoweo— unfortunately for the two lads hwoweo h— unfortunately for the two lads involved in this— unfortunately for the two lads involved in this particular ehumt— involved in this particular ehum. they— involved in this particular stunt, they found they've been hoheheo— stunt, they found they've been hoheheo hy— stunt, they found they've been hoisted by their— stunt, they found they've been hoisted by their own petard, heweh-h— hoisted by their own petard, haven't they? _ hoisted by their own petard, haven't they? "cl; ”c: gwiw tiwg haven't they? they're going to be spending years in prison as a result , and i be spending years in prison as a result, and i think that's absolutely the right decision now of course, there are lawyers, activist lawyers like jolyon maugham, best known for clubbing a fox to death wearing his wife's kimono, who say who come out in defence of the pair. he says they're prisoners of conscience. he says they're victims of a morally abject set science decision. but i say the judge is absolutely right to jail. these plonkers i want more of this. i want more of these tough sentences for these people. they break the law. they disrupt our lives. and that's that. disrupt our lives. and that's that . well done . well, there we that. well done. well, there we go. i finished a little bit too soon now , albie, i'll come to soon now, albie, i'll come to you on we'll say nothing. now,

there's been quite a lot of there's been quite a lot of people . there. i mean , i was people. there. i mean, i was going to say, this is a serious show, but no, it's not. it's a fun show on a saturday night. albie now, there have been some people in the commentary act and lawyers like julianne moore who've said that this is a ridiculous sentence for what could be seen as a peaceful protest . what do you think? i protest. what do you think? i think the sentence does seem euhe— think the sentence does seem euhe tough— think the sentence does seem guhe hough .— think the sentence does seem guhe hough . w— think the sentence does seem quite tough . i am in favour of quite tough. i am in favour of tough— quite tough. i am in favour of tough sentencing— quite tough. i am in favour of tough sentencing for serious huh— tough sentencing for serious huh w— tough sentencing for serious crimes, but i am— tough sentencing for serious crimes, but i am actually also eeuhehy— crimes, but i am actually also eeuhewy ewee— crimes, but i am actually also acutely aware that prisons are owemoweoo— acutely aware that prisons are overcrowded and _ acutely aware that prisons are overcrowded and we cannot house all overcrowded and we cannot house eh oh— overcrowded and we cannot house eh oh the— overcrowded and we cannot house eww oh the geothe— overcrowded and we cannot house all of the people that need to go to — all of the people that need to go to gheoh— all of the people that need to go to gheoh so— all of the people that need to go to prison. so is— all of the people that need to go to prison. so is this the tee— go to prison. so is this the heeh ue— go to prison. so is this the best use? in— go to prison. so is this the best use? in my- go to prison. so is this the best use? in my opinion, of huhhe— best use? in my opinion, of public sector— best use? in my opinion, of public sector money, of hexpeyewe— public sector money, of taxpayers money sending these geothe— taxpayers money sending these geogwe ho— taxpayers money sending these people to prison?— taxpayers money sending these people to prison? i might agree whh— people to prison? i might agree whh the— people to prison? i might agree whh the hem— people to prison? i might agree with the fact that— people to prison? i might agree with the fact that they've been eemeheeo— with the fact that they've been sentenced harshly , but then if i sentenced harshly, but then if i hhhh— sentenced harshly, but then if i hhhh ehouwo— sentenced harshly, but then if i think should they— sentenced harshly, but then if i think should they actually be in whom— think should they actually be in prison,-taxpayers- think should they actually be in prison, taxpayers be prison, should taxpayers be paying—in. prison, should taxpayers be- heyhg—h whom paying for them to be in prison? is paying for them to be in prison? we there— paying for them to be in prison? is there another— paying for them to be in prison? is there another way that they eouwo — - is there another way that they eouwo — wen.- is there another way that they- could _ well, they've could be punished? well, they've been— could be punished? well, they've been apparently been they've apparently cost the economy thousands economy hundreds of thousands of pounds business doing

pounds in business by doing this. course, you know, this. and of course, you know, there heavily pregnant there was one heavily pregnant woman couldn't get to woman who couldn't get to hospital. another person couldn't go to a funeral of her best friend. there already costing us a lot, aren't they, darren? absolutely and this all comes darren? absolutely and this all eh— darren? absolutely and this all comes at a time,— darren? absolutely and this all comes at a time, as— darren? absolutely and this all comes at a time, as you- ';�*hiw”w:i;ti7’ ' .witcyw and this all comes at a time, as you well mow.— comes at a time, as you well know where— comes at a time, as you well know, where the— comes at a time, as you well know, where the nhs is on its meee— know, where the nhs is on its meee hghhe— know, where the nhs is on its knees, right? and _ know, where the nhs is on its knees, right? and people can't wowe— knees, right? and people can't wove ho— knees, right? and people can't wove no money— knees, right? and people can't love no money, get old. well they— love no money, get old. well they eh— love no money, get old. well they th— love no money, get old. well they can if they've got money, huh— they can if they've got money, huh-get— they can if they've got money, huh-get e- they can if they've got money, huh-get e eh- but they can't get a gp appointment- but they can't get a gp appointment and they can't get to hoehheh— appointment and they can't get to hoephew h— appointment and they can't get to hospital in time. ambulance wehhg— to hospital in time. ambulance waiting-through- to hospital in time. ambulance waiting through roof. to hospital in time. ambulance w1 some through roof. to hospital in time. ambulance wesome i through roof. to hospital in time. ambulance wesome i was through roof. to hospital in time. ambulance wesome i was going|h roof. to hospital in time. ambulance wesome i was going to roof. to hospital in time. ambulance wesome i was going to swearf. if some i was going to swear there— if some i was going to swear hhewe th— if some i was going to swear hhewe hh ome— if some i was going to swear there if some plonker is in the moth— there if some plonker is in the mode oh— there if some plonker is in the middle of the— there if some plonker is in the middle of the road right hwoehhg— middle of the road right blocking an— middle of the road right blocking an ambulance from gehhg— blocking an ambulance from getting through, that's to getting through, that's going to exeeehhehe— getting through, that's going to exacerbate problem . i saw exacerbate that problem. i saw hooey— exacerbate that problem. i saw hooey two— exacerbate that problem. i saw today two coppers, two cop cars hh hom— today two coppers, two cop cars were in front of— today two coppers, two cop cars were in front of what was a just shoo— were in front of what was a just shop oh— were in front of what was a just stop oil blockade— were in front of what was a just stop oil blockade and a guy said to the— stop oil blockade and a guy said to the oomewe— stop oil blockade and a guy said to the coppers, what are you going— to the coppers, what are you gohg ho— to the coppers, what are you gohg ho ho— to the coppers, what are you going to do about them? and the cop ephem— going to do about them? and the cop replied, they've got a right to he— cop replied, they've got a right to he there— cop replied, they've got a right to be there now— cop replied, they've got a right to be there now .— cop replied, they've got a right to be there now . i've got to be there now. i've got a hghh— to be there now. i've got a hghh ho— to be there now. i've got a hghh to get— to be there now. i've got a right to get to— to be there now. i've got a right to get to a- to be there now. i've got a right to get to a hospital. hhehh— right to get to a hospital. hhehh you— right to get to a hospital. thank you very— right to get to a hospital. thank you very much,- right to get to a hospital. thank you very much, darren. but benjamin, do you think the judge was right to make example of

was right to make an example of these plonkers as you might call them? or do you think you know, a bit too tough? i mean, you mow.— a bit too tough? i mean, you know mehy— a bit too tough? i mean, you know, many great— i 37 i mean, you know, many great social warriors for know, many great social warriors hoh thet— know, many great social warriors for causes that we— know, many great social warriors for causes that we now accept wem— for causes that we now accept went to — for causes that we now accept went to them— for causes that we now accept went to prison . _ for causes that we now accept went to prison . /witw. wwti went to prison. you know, nelson mandela spent a long time you're not going to mention the suffragettes mandela suffragettes are you? mandela spent prison spent many years in prison records that we now widely accept obviously the right accept was obviously the right one. look back to the one. you know look back to the early of the rights early movement of the gay rights movement lots them would movement when lots of them would do techniques to what do similar techniques to what we now see from extinction rebellion, would get rebellion, and they would get pulled court and to pulled up in court and go to prison some cases for that. prison in some cases for that. and one says that being and now no one says that being gay should be a criminal offence. and i think that's what these eco people are doing . the these eco people are doing. the truth have climate truth is that we have a climate crisis coming they crisis coming and they are trying us from walking trying to stop us from walking into that or into into that or sinking into i thought had already come. thought it had already come. leo yeah, and it's an absolute -goh- leo yeah, and it's an absolute nonsense. _got thesej nonsense. they've got these ideals. want all to go ideals. they want us all to go back living in a cave, you back to living in a cave, you know, around a toilet. know, huddling around a toilet. it's going to work. look at it's not going to work. look at china, look at india. they're burning much coal. whatever burning so much coal. whatever we to any we do isn't going to make any difference apart difference at all apart from ruin. standard our lives

ruin. the standard of our lives andifs ruin. the standard of our lives and it's a safety issue. prison needs to be a deterrent for these people because as we've seen, you pointed the seen, as you pointed out, the police aiding and abetting police are aiding and abetting them. so they need to be deterred. and paper that deterred. and the paper that hehtemh— deterred. and the paper that benjamin likes— :: and the paper that benjamin likes quite a lot hoeheo— benjamin likes quite a lot posted recently from posted stats recently from emhuwehee— posted stats recently from ambulance saying posted stats recently from - ambulance - saying that ambulance services saying that 15 ambulance services saying that he peohwe— ambulance services saying that we geogwe e— ambulance services saying that 15 people a-last_ ambulance services saying that 15 people a last year were 15 people a day last year were thought— 15 people a day last year were brought hypothermia idea brought in for hypothermia idea heuee— brought in for hypothermia idea heeeuee-heeh— brought in for hypothermia idea because fact cannot because of the fact they cannot ehhoho — because of the fact they cannot ehhoho huew. — because of the fact they cannot afford fuel. so— because of the fact they cannot afford fuel. so i'm— because of the fact they cannot afford fuel. so i'm afraid you geothe— afford fuel. so i'm afraid you geogwe ee— afford fuel. so i'm afraid you people are exacerbating that ehehe— people are exacerbating that so— people are exacerbating that crisis. so poor— people are exacerbating that crisis. so poor old people who are terrified— crisis. so poor old people who are terrified to— crisis. so poor old people who are terrified to put the heating on, you're making that ten times wett— on, you're making that ten times worse. well, there— on, you're making that ten times worse. well, there is the heehhg. — worse. well, there is the heehhg. so— worse. well, there is the heating. so expensive is because of heating. so expensive is because oh ome— heating. so expensive is because oh pooh. — heating. so expensive is because of some poor. some, you know, ohehehe— of some poor. some, you know, ohehehe h— of some poor. some, you know, dictate in russia.— of some poor. some, you know, dictate in russia. it's because eehuewwy— dictate in russia. it's because eehuewnyhewe— dictate in russia. it's because actually.have.are- actually we have we are a hehuwew— actually we have we are a natural resource- actually we have we are a natural resource rich country. we— natural resource rich country. we hewe— natural resource rich country. we have resources here that you are we have resources here that you eeyhg— we have resources here that you eeyhg we— we have resources here that you are saying we cannot exploit heuee— are saying we cannot exploit because we must be you know, a ehhhg— because we must be you know, a ehhhg heeo— because we must be you know, a shining beacon to— because we must be you know, a shining beacon to the world of the— shining beacon to the world of this madness— shining beacon to the world of this madness .— shining beacon to the world of this madness . i— shining beacon to the world of this madness . i mean, nothing this madness. i mean, nothing ehowe— this madness. i mean, nothing ehowe the— this madness. i mean, nothing shows the idiocy— this madness. i mean, nothing shows the idiocy in the short hehmhem — shows the idiocy in the short hehmhem oh— shows the idiocy in the short termism of your— shows the idiocy in the short termism of your argument, like the hee— termism of your argument, like the heeh thet— termism of your argument, like the fact that if— termism of your argument, like the fact that if you're worried ehouh— the fact that if you're worried ehouh geothe— the fact that if you're worried about people hyper about people getting hyper hhehmhe— about people getting hyper. thermia_from thermia or people dying from me— thermia or people dying from heeh-whheh— thermia or people dying from heat-which are- thermia or people dying from heat which are going up heat waves, which are going up in heat waves, which are going up hhume-he— heat waves, which are going up in-numbers, well,- heat waves, which are going up in numbers, well, you're in record numbers, well, you're gohg—mowe- in record numbers, well, you're gohg—mowe oh- in record numbers, well, you're

going more of those going to have far more of those exwemeh— going to have far more of those extreme weather— going to have far more of those extreme weather events. we eheeoy— extreme weather events. we . already—climate already are because of climate ohenge— already are because of climate ehehge. vou— already are because of climate change. you said— already are because of climate change. you said that in the heme— change. you said that in the 19705, 1980s,— change. you said that in the 19705, 19805, 19905. change. you said that in the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s. guess what? he— 1970s, 1980s, 1990s. guess what? hhe wowe— 1970s, 1980s, 1990s. guess what? the world hasn't— 1970s, 1980s, 1990s. guess what? the world hasn't burnt to a eheh. — the world hasn't burnt to a crisp. actually,— the world hasn't burnt to a crisp. actually, the world is considerably— crisp. actually, the world is considerably hotter now. you mow.— know, you see incredible hwooohg— know, you see incredible flooding germany know, you see incredible flooding-germany year flooding in germany last year the— flooding in germany last year that—numbers.- flooding in germany last yeari that—numbers. you that killed huge numbers. you e hhmh— that killed huge numbers. you saw a third of— that killed huge numbers. you saw a third of bangladesh under weeh — saw a third of bangladesh under weeh -hhe— saw a third of bangladesh under water. _the worst- water. you saw the worst whwohhee— water. you saw the worst wildfires in— water. you saw the worst wildfires in australia in hhehory— wildfires in australia in history.-don't- wildfires in australia in history. don't you explain history. why don't you explain thee.— history. why don't you explain that, darren?— history. why don't you explain that, darren? how about let's go heeh— that, darren? how about let's go heehlhhe— that, darren? how about let's go back the sentencing issue for back to the sentencing issue for meee— back to the sentencing issue for meee-me— back to the sentencing issue for these-the judge- back to the sentencing issue for. these-the judge obviously these guys. the judge obviously wanted of wanted to make an example of these if it's not if these guys. if it's not if they're not going to be imprisoned. leo, what do you reckon alternative punishment reckon an alternative punishment could i think because there could be? i think because there mem— could be? i think because there hmem oh— could be? i think because there intent on everybody— i: zwhi7 i think because there intent on everybody bringing down— intent on everybody bringing down _footprintl intent on everybody bringingi down _footprint to down their carbon footprint to i w — down their carbon footprint to zero-ii hhhh— down their carbon footprint to zero. .i think they- down their carbon footprint to zero. i think they should zero. so i think they should hewe— zero. so i think they should hewe hheh— zero. so i think they should have their carbon footprint thought— have their carbon footprint hhoughh ho— have their carbon footprint brought to zero— have their carbon footprint brought to zero by throwing them off brought to zero by throwing them ohh-hhoge— brought to zero by throwing them ohh-hhoge .— brought to zero by throwing them off-bridge . wow.— brought to zero by throwing them off bridge . wow. okay. off that bridge. wow. okay. we do off that bridge. wow. okay. we to hot— off that bridge. wow. okay. we to hot wem— off that bridge. wow. okay. we do not want any— off that bridge. wow. okay. we do not want any violence. i must say do not want any violence. i must eey thee— do not want any violence. i must eey the. you— do not want any violence. i must say that, you know, ofcom might tell us off for that , but albie tell us off for that, but albie . if not, if not prison, what else could be a good could be a good punishment, do some kind of community service, do something helpful, do something useful. you know , i think prison should

you know, i think prison should be you know, i think prison should he heeeweo— you know, i think prison should be reserved for— you know, i think prison should be reserved for the most serious ohhemee— be reserved for the most serious ohheheee. hm— be reserved for the most serious offences. i'm not— be reserved for the most serious offences. i'm not really a fan offences. i'm not really a fan oh geothe— offences. i'm not really a fan oh geogwe tueh— offences. i'm not really a fan of people just being made exemhhee— of people just being made exempwee oh— of people just being made examples of to— of people just being made examples of to just get kind of meth— examples of to just get kind of media headlines.— examples of to just get kind of media headlines. i think prison is media headlines. i think prison he there.— media headlines. i think prison he there. he— media headlines. i think prison is there. it plays— media headlines. i think prison is there. it plays an important wowe— is there. it plays an important wohe h— is there. it plays an important role in society. _ is there. it plays an important role in society. do— is there. it plays an important role in society. do i think meee— role in society. do i think hheee geothe— role in society. do i think these people should be going to them— these people should be going to hwheoh-h-m— these people should be going to hhheoh-h-m tueh- these people should be going to prison-i'm just not. prison for years? i'm just not euhe.|meem-he- prison for years? i'm just not sure. mean, be honest. sure. i mean, let's be honest. vou— sure. i mean, let's be honest. you we've seen lots you know, we've seen lots of ehohee— you know, we've seen lots of stories . people _ you know, we've seen lots of stories people that have stories of people that have eommhheo— stories of people that havei committed _for committed sex offences, for exempte— committed sex offences, for example, serious things example, really serious things the— example, really serious things thee—ehheeh- example, really serious things that—effect on. example, really serious thingsi that—effect on the that have a huge effect on the wee— that have a huge effect on the weee-the— that have a huge effect on the rest-the victim's— that have a huge effect on the rest the victim's life, not rest of the victim's life, not gehhg— rest of the victim's life, not getting custodial sentence, though— getting custodial sentence, though, because none of us are eeyhg— though, because none of us are eeyhg thee— though, because none of us are eeyhg the we— though, because none of us are saying that we don't want those geothe— saying that we don't want those geoghe ho — saying that we don't want those geogwe ho ehey— saying that we don't want those geogwe ho ehey h— saying that we don't want those people to stay in prison for hongeu— people to stay in prison for wohgeh. huh— people to stay in prison for longer. but it's— people to stay in prison for longer. but it's not whataboutery because in whataboutery because we know in the wee— whataboutery because we know in the heeh eouhhe— whataboutery because we know in the last couple of— whataboutery because we know in the last couple of years you've hee— the last couple of years you've heo-mehhg— had judges making decisions ehouh— about whether someone gets a mem— about whether someone gets a hhheoh—oh- about whether someone gets a hhheoh—oh the- about whether someone gets a prison _on the fact. prison cell based on the fact the— prison cell based on the fact thee-ewe— prison cell based on the fact thee-ewe very- prison cell based on the fact that-are very few- prison cell based on the fact that are very few prison that there are very few prison eeue. —hoh- that there are very few prison cells.-not puttingi cells. so they're not putting them — cells. so they're not putting them . precisely. - cells. so they're not putting them precisely. and cells. so they're not putting them .precisely. and do them in precisely. and so how do you-thee— them in precisely. and so how do you-that circle?- them in precisely. and so how do you-that circle? is- them in precisely. and so how do you that circle? is this you square that circle? is this hereohe— you square that circle? is this hereom-mow — you square that circle? is this person? know, and i think person? you know, and i think whee—wee- person? you know, and i think- what_was dangerous. what they did was was dangerous. hhghw— what they did was was dangerous. hhghw-ho— what they did was was dangerous. hhghhe-ho gehhg- what they did was was dangerous. right? no getting around right? there's no getting around thee.— right? there's no getting around thew eeh— right? there's no getting around that, even though— right? there's no getting around that, even though i support the cause. can understand why cause. so i can understand why it cause. so i can understand why h-ehmheh— cause. so i can understand why it-criminal-butl it was a criminal offence. but is it was a criminal offence. but he eoehehy— it was a criminal offence. but is society really— it was a criminal offence. but is society really more threatened- is society really morei threatened-eco is society really more- threatened-eco protester threatened by that eco protester then— threatened by that eco protester then-.— threatened by that eco protester than. you— threatened by that eco protester than , you someone than it is, you know, someone who-e— than it is, you know, someone who's-something- than it is, you know, someone who's something paedophilic who's done something paedophilic

or who's done something paedophilic oh—wehh.- who's done something paedophilic oh—wehh. h- who's done something paedophilic oh—wehh. h gueeei or a sex offender? well, i guess it depends on. firstly, i do think you're that this it depends on. firstly, i do think took; that this it depends on. firstly, i do think took this that this it depends on. firstly, i do think took this decisioniis it depends on. firstly, i do think took this decision to set judge took this decision to set an example and that in one way or potentially or another you could potentially argue that it was politically motivated, also because for motivated, but also because for so long these protesters have been disrupt . but so long these protesters have been people disrupt . but so long these protesters have been people weren'tipt . but so long these protesters have been people weren't first but these people weren't first time offenders, one of offenders, or at least one of them wasn't was a repeat offender of this kind thing. offender of this kind of thing. and . okay, public and the disruption. okay, public nuisance might not sound as bad as you know , sexual as obviously, you know, sexual assault something like that . assault or something like that. but the disruption that it caused is, is huge. and you mentioned julian qc or whatever his name is, casey now isn't it? but he was saying actually he hyhg— but he was saying actually he hyhg ho— but he was saying actually he hyhg to get— but he was saying actually he was trying to get all his mates in was trying to get all his mates he the— was trying to get all his mates he the tuehehehy— was trying to get all his mates in the judiciary to— was trying to get all his mates in the judiciary to say that they— in the judiciary to say that they wouldn't— in the judiciary to say that they wouldn't ever go after. no. wett— they wouldn't ever go after. no. wehh eomhg— they wouldn't ever go after. no. weww eommg ug— they wouldn't ever go after. no. well coming up after the break, the— well coming up after the break, the wee— well coming up after the break, the e— well coming up after the break, that was a fun— well coming up after the break, that was a fun one. i that was a fun one. it's darren's debate. darren is going to tell us why. it's about time we stopped being ashamed of being english. don't go away .

listening to gb news radio . listening to gb news radio. wehoohe— listening to gb news radio. welcome back— listening to gb news radio. welcome back to— listening to gb news radio. welcome back to the- listening to gb news radio. welcome back to the saturday five. as always, thank you for all of your emails about tonight's topics. claire has written in. she said, i wish you would stop generalising about civil servants. i'm a probation officer. i in a prison. the officer. i work in a prison. the staff are all civil servants. we do a thankless task working with dangerous people every day. not all servants lazy. c all civil servants are lazy. c not everyone's like you. leo yeah, but that's, that's- wwitw l leo yeah, but that's, that's not, thee-e— yeah, but that's, that's not, hhehe hoe— yeah, but that's, that's not,

that's not the— yeah, but that's, that's not, that's not the people that homhhe— that's not the people that dominic raab— that's not the people that dominic raab was bullying. they were getting bullied by a ohhhehem— were getting bullied by a- different-humanity. different section of humanity. weww.— different section of humanity. weww. chehe— different section of humanity. well, claire-perhaps- different section of humanity. well, claire-perhaps get. different section of humanity. touch on that one. on the just stop oil protesters, stop oil oil protesters, jacqueline said too long a sentence. don't support them, sentence. i don't support them, but a large fine. in some months these have had worse than these people have had worse than some have battered or some thugs who have battered or robbed people. there robbed old people. well, there you albie. you go. agrees with albie. i reckon. it is time for reckon. but now it is time for our debate. please do keep our next debate. please do keep your coming in. by the your views coming in. by the way, it is time for darren's debate. so way, it is time for darren's debate . so there is a forgotten debate. so there is a forgotten nay— debate. so there is a forgotten nay .— debate. so there is a forgotten my . e— debate. so there is a forgotten nay , a forbidden— : so there is a forgotten nay , a forbidden word that means nay, a forbidden word that means ho— nay, a forbidden word that means more to me than— nay, a forbidden word that means more to me than any other. and the— more to me than any other. and the word— more to me than any other. and the word he— more to me than any other. and that word is england . and that's that word is england. and that's hom— that word is england. and that's hhom sh— that word is england. and that's from sir winston— that word is england. and that's from sir winston churchill, not my mouth.— from sir winston churchill, not my mouth. unfortunate but i hhhh— my mouth. unfortunate but i hhhh he— my mouth. unfortunate but i think he was— my mouth. unfortunate but i think he was absolutely spot on. he think he was absolutely spot on. he wouho— think he was absolutely spot on. he would look— think he was absolutely spot on. he would look at— think he was absolutely spot on. he would look at this country hghh— he would look at this country hghh ow— he would look at this country hghh eho— he would look at this country right now and be— he would look at this country right now and be distraught at the hee— right now and be distraught at the fact that— right now and be distraught at the fact that we _ right now and be distraught at the fact that we wax lyrical ehouh— the fact that we wax lyrical ehouh how— the fact that we wax lyrical about how great it is that sootheho— about how great it is that scotland has— about how great it is that scotland has a- about how great it is that scotland has a parliament, the weheh— scotland has a parliament, the welsh assembly— scotland has a parliament, the welsh assembly and all the rest of welsh assembly and all the rest oh h.— welsh assembly and all the rest oh h. vou— welsh assembly and all the rest oh h. you eh— welsh assembly and all the rest of it. you can talk— welsh assembly and all the rest of it. you can talk about scottishness, _ of it. you can talk about scottishness, you can talk about hehg— scottishness, you can talk about hehg weheh— scottishness, you can talk about being welsh, you— scottishness, you can talk about being welsh, you can talk about hehg— being welsh, you can talk about hehg hheh— being welsh, you can talk about

being irish. but— being welsh, you can talk about being irish. but if— being welsh, you can talk about being irish. but if you dare memhoh— being irish. but if you dare mention your— being irish. but if you dare mention your english ness, you mention your engliin ness, you are mention your english ness, you e heeheh— mention your english ness, you e heeheh .— mention your english ness, you e heeheh . e— mention your english ness, you are a racist, a horrendous hhgoh— are a racist, a horrendous hhgoh. hou— are a racist, a horrendous bigot. you must never speak of it. bigot. you must never speak of h. amh— bigot. you must never speak of he. who h— bigot. you must never speak of he. who h eey.— bigot. you must never speak of he. who h eey. ho— bigot. you must never speak of it. and i say, to hell with that hhgheh— it. and i say, to hell with that hhgwheh eho— it. and i say, to hell with that english and is— it. and i say, to hell with that english and is a— it. and i say, to hell with that english and is a great country. engliin and is a great country. i english and is a great country. h em— english and is a great country. h em hmeheehy— english and is a great country. i am intensely proud to be from hegem— i am intensely proud to be from hhgweho. we— i am intensely proud to be from england. we gave— i am intensely proud to be from england. we gave the world sheheeheewe— england. we gave the world shakespeare .— england. we gave the world shakespeare . we've given the shakespeare. we've given the wowe— shakespeare. we've given the worth eo— shakespeare. we've given the world so much— shakespeare. we've given the world so much that we should be so world so much that we should be eo hmeheehy— world so much that we should be so intensely proud— world so much that we should be so intensely proud of. and i went— so intensely proud of. and i went to— so intensely proud of. and i want to hear— so intensely proud of. and i want to hear more about that. so homomow h— want to hear more about that. so tomorrow , i urge— want to hear more about that. so tomorrow , i urge you folks be tomorrow, i urge you folks be whe— tomorrow, i urge you folks be the me— tomorrow, i urge you folks be the hwy— tomorrow, i urge you folks be like me, fly your— tomorrow, i urge you folks be like me, fly your flag , be loud, like me, fly your flag, be loud, be like me, fly your flag, be loud, he proud— like me, fly your flag, be loud, he hhouo .— like me, fly your flag, be loud, be proud , because it's about be proud, because it's about hhme— be proud, because it's about hme thee— be proud, because it's about time that the— be proud, because it's about time that the english, like all hour— time that the english, like all four constituent— time that the english, like all four constituent parts of our country.— four constituent parts of our country. — four constituent parts of our country, were loud and proud. woof.— country, were loud and proud. wooh. wew— country, were loud and proud. wooh. weww you— country, were loud and proud. woof. well you could- country, were loud and proud. woof. well you could take. take a breath now, darren right. leo scotland, right? yeah. you can't whhouh— scotland, right? yeah. you can't move without the _ i: gi7 yeah. you can't move without the saltire i: gti.7 yeah. you can't move without the saltire being wehhhe. — move without the saltire being wehhhe. hh— move without the saltire being visible. at some— move without the saltire being visible. at some point, right? hem.— visible. at some point, right? veeh. hem.— visible. at some point, right? yeah. yeah. scotland's- visible. at some point, right? “with? ti “with? ti i: ti yeah. yeah. scotland's been taken over by nationalists. so why is it the case that if you fly saint george's flag in england, you're some kind of swivel eyed racist? well, i think england is seen as the straight man countries straight white man of countries . you can as this all

. you can seen as this all powerful entity and anything you say against england is a good thing. and i think it's ridiculous. and i think, you know, scotland is terrible at scotland has its own parliament, know, scotland is terrible at scotlancand its own parliament, know, scotland is terrible at scotlancand its oto parliament, know, scotland is terrible at scotlancand its oto runliament, know, scotland is terrible at scotlancand its oto run britain , scottish and used to run britain all the all the greatest politicians were scots in westminster and now we're way off little off in some parochial little town up edinburgh. it's town hall up in edinburgh. it's ridiculous. yeah, i think ridiculous. but yeah, i think i think it's shame that england think it's a shame that england engush think it's a shame that england english people aren't more proud of england. it's the it's the seat of democracy and modern, modern western liberalism. i think it's a it's a fantastic country. and yeah, we should all be proud to be british. benjamin, are you intensely proude— benjamin, are you intensely ghouee wih— benjamin, are you intensely proud? will you— benjamin, are you intensely proud? will you be out for saint george-e— proud? will you be out for saint oeohge-e oey— proud? will you be out for saint george's day tomorrow? there's no george's day tomorrow? there's om-e wemhg- george's day tomorrow? there's. no-me wanting-drape no danger of me wanting to drape thee— no danger of me wanting to drape thee-ehowe— no danger of me wanting to drape that-around me.— no danger of me wanting to drape that around me. look, that flag around me. look, i hhhh— that flag around me. look, i think englishness become think englishness has become eeeoeheheo— think englishness has become associated well,— think englishness has become associated well, for wrong reasons, maybe. but with the weeme— reasons, maybe. but with the heehehe whh— reasons, maybe. but with the racists, with extremists, with hhme— racists, with extremists, with little englanders. and that is ohheh— little englanders. and that is ohheh whee— little englanders. and that is often what that— little englanders. and that is often what that flag resembles . often what that flag resembles. you know — often what that flag resembles. you know h— often what that flag resembles. you know, i have— often what that flag resembles. you know, i have a— often what that flag resembles. you know, i have a union jack hheg— you know, i have a union jack hheg eh— you know, i have a union jack hweg eh home— you know, i have a union jack flag at home and— you know, i have a union jack flag at home and i have a homet— flag at home and i have a gomeh oh— flag at home and i have a portrait of two— flag at home and i have a portrait of two queen's monarchs . hm— portrait of two queen's monarchs . h-m hehhhg— portrait of two queen's monarchs . i'm talking about— portrait of two queen's monarchs . i'm talking about when it ho— . i'm talking about when it comes to the _ . i'm talking about when it comes to the english flag . i

comes to the english flag. i tueh— comes to the english flag. i tueh ooh-h— comes to the english flag. i just don't associate that with hhogheeewe— just don't associate that with progressive modern country that i progressive modern country that h whe— progressive modern country that h the h.— progressive modern country that h the h. h— progressive modern country that i live in. it doesn't— progressive modern country that i live in. it doesn't mean much to me— i live in. it doesn't mean much to huh— i live in. it doesn't mean much to huh oh— i live in. it doesn't mean much to me. but of course it does. hhghehot— to me. but of course it does. hhgwehot ee— to me. but of course it does. hhgwehet ee h— to me. but of course it does. england, as i said, has offered the wowe— england, as i said, has offered the worth eo— england, as i said, has offered the world so very— england, as i said, has offered the world so very much right. we ehouwo— the world so very much right. we ehowe-he— the world so very much right. we should-be intensely- the world so very much right. we should be intensely proud of should all be intensely proud of thee.— should all be intensely proud of the. hue— should all be intensely proud of that. but also,— should all be intensely proud of that. but also, i— should all be intensely proud of that. but also, i think you mow.— that. but also, i think you know he— that. but also, i think you know, it smacks of the kind of eheehhg— know, it smacks of the kind of sneering that,— know, it smacks of the kind of sneering that, dare say, emily sneering that, dare i say, emily hhomhemy— sneering that, dare i say, emily thornberry evidenced when she out— thornberry evidenced when she out eho— thornberry evidenced when she was out and she— thornberry evidenced when she was out and she was sacked for it was out and she was sacked for h eh— was out and she was sacked for h eh the— was out and she was sacked for h eh hhe hme— was out and she was sacked for it at the time in— was out and she was sacked for it at the time in rochester where— it at the time in rochester whehe ehe— it at the time in rochester where she tweeted out hashtag hoeheeheh— where she tweeted out hashtag rochester with _ where she tweeted out hashtag rochester with pictures of the sem— rochester with pictures of the saint george's— rochester with pictures of the saint george's flag. i think whh— saint george's flag. i think whh the— saint george's flag. i think with the left,— saint george's flag. i think with the left, the only people the— with the left, the only people the me— with the left, the only people the hewe e— with the left, the only people that have a problem with this hweg— that have a problem with this hheg ee— that have a problem with this hweg oh— that have a problem with this flag are on the— that have a problem with this flag are on the left. benjamin dement— flag are on the left. benjamin hemem hh— flag are on the left. benjamin hemeh hh h— flag are on the left. benjamin darren, if i may— flag are on the left. benjamin darren, if i may say, i think pari— darren, if i may say, i think heh oh— darren, if i may say, i think hem oh the— darren, if i may say, i think part of the problem with why heohhe— part of the problem with why heohwe ooh-h— part of the problem with why people don't feel that they can be people don't feel that they can he there-e— people don't feel that they can be there's this— people don't feel that they can be there's this english national hoemhy— be there's this english national hoemhy he— be there's this english national identity is precisely because hhgheho— identity is precisely because hhgweho hee— identity is precisely because england has given the world so much— england has given the world so much .— england has given the world so much . you— england has given the world so much . you know,— england has given the world so much . you know, the french are much. you know, the french are very— much. you know, the french are very eheeheo— much. you know, the french are very attached to— much. you know, the french are very attached to their language, but very attached to their language, huh hhgheh— very attached to their language, huh hhgheh he— very attached to their language, but english is a— very attached to their language, but english is a global wehguege.— but english is a global language. you know, the scots are language. you know, the scots very— language. you know, the scots are very attached— language. you know, the scots are very attached to kilts, but euhe. — are very attached to kilts, but euhe. huh— are very attached to kilts, but suits. but suits— are very attached to kilts, but suits. but suits are actually hhgheh— suits. but suits are actually english national dress and they engliin national dress and they are english national dress and they ghohew— english national dress and they are global business dress. so in very— are global business dress. so in

very h— are global business dress. so in very hh e— are global business dress. so in very hh e hoe— are global business dress. so in very hh e hoe oh— are global business dress. so in very in a lot of respects, englishness— very in a lot of respects, englishness is- very in a lot of respects, englishness is global ness. and i englishness is global ness. and h hhhh— englishness is global ness. and hhhhh hhehe— englishness is global ness. and i think that's why— englishness is global ness. and i think that's why this english hehohew— i think that's why this english national identity— i think that's why this english national identity perhaps has heeh— national identity perhaps has heeh hoeh— national identity perhaps has heeh hoeh ee— national identity perhaps has been lost as the— national identity perhaps has been lost as the world has heome— been lost as the world has heome e— been lost as the world has become a more— been lost as the world has become a more globalised. but you— become a more globalised. but you mow— become a more globalised. but you know what?— become a more globalised. but you know what? say napoleon had won you know what? say napoleon had the— you know what? say napoleon had the we— you know what? say napoleon had won the war instead— you know what? say napoleon had won the war instead of us, hghh— won the war instead of us, hghhe ho— won the war instead of us, hghhe ho you— won the war instead of us, right? do you really believe the— right? do you really believe the the— right? do you really believe that the french— right? do you really believe that the french wouldn't be wexhg— that the french wouldn't be waxing lyrical— that the french wouldn't be waxing lyrical about how great it waxing lyrical about how great he he— waxing lyrical about how great he he to— waxing lyrical about how great he he to he— waxing lyrical about how great it is to be from— waxing lyrical about how great it is to be from france and how greet.— it is to be from france and how greet. how— it is to be from france and how great, how fantastic everything the— great, how fantastic everything the the — great, how fantastic everything that the world _ great, how fantastic everything that the world has been given by hee— that the world has been given by he he— that the world has been given by he he e— that the world has been given by france is ? look,— that the world has been given by france is ? look, i— that the world has been given by france is ? look, i think i think france is? look, i think i think we can definitely— france is? look, i think i think we can definitely be more proud to he— we can definitely be more proud to he hhgheh— we can definitely be more proud to be english and— we can definitely be more proud to be english and actually talk ehouh— to be english and actually talk ehouh ome— to be english and actually talk about some of— to be english and actually talk about some of the achievements the— about some of the achievements the w-yee— about some of the achievements that we've done— about some of the achievements that we've done in— about some of the achievements that we've done in a positive wey.— that we've done in a positive wey. h— that we've done in a positive wey. h-mow— that we've done in a positive wey. h-mow why- that we've done in a positive way. i know why the left, way. i don't know why the left, as way. i don't know why the left, ee hehtemh— way. i don't know why the left, as benjamin kind— way. i don't know why the left, as benjamin kind of perfectly exeheo— as benjamin kind of perfectly exeheo .— as benjamin kind of perfectly exalted , was— as benjamin kind of perfectly exalted , was a— as benjamin kind of perfectly exalted , was a perfect example exalted, was a perfect example of exalted, was a perfect example oh eewhhew— exalted, was a perfect example oh eehheh oh— exalted, was a perfect example of earlier on has— exalted, was a perfect example of earlier on has this image of the— of earlier on has this image of the hem— of earlier on has this image of the saint george's— of earlier on has this image of the saint george's cross is eomehhhg— the saint george's cross is something which is racist, eexheht— something which is racist, sexist, albie,— something which is racist, sexist, albie, regressive. i hook— sexist, albie, regressive. i hook eh— sexist, albie, regressive. i hook eh h— sexist, albie, regressive. i look at it and— sexist, albie, regressive. i look at it and i- sexist, albie, regressive. i look at it and i think that's my eoumhy-e— look at it and i think that's my eoumhy-e hweg. — look at it and i think that's my country's flag. when i see it tying,— country's flag. when i see it hwyhg. h— country's flag. when i see it hwyhg. h heeh— country's flag. when i see it flying, i feel pride. do you see ehyhhhg— flying, i feel pride. do you see ehyhhmg whohg— flying, i feel pride. do you see anything wrong ?_ flying, i feel pride. do you see anything wrong ? because some anything wrong? because some heohwe— anything wrong? because some heohwe eey— anything wrong? because some people say actually english ness people say actually engliin ness is people say actually english ness he hhmee.— people say actually english ness he hhheo. whe— people say actually english ness is linked. it's inherently hhmee— is linked. it's inherently hhheo ho— is linked. it's inherently linked to race- is linked. it's inherently linked to race and actually they put linked to race and actually they out he— linked to race and actually they out he ho—

linked to race and actually they out h to town— linked to race and actually they put it to down racist arguments heuee— put it to down racist arguments heuee oh— put it to down racist arguments because of they— put it to down racist arguments because of they say, you know, it's because of they say, you know, the hhmee— because of they say, you know, it's linked to _ because of they say, you know, it's linked to some— because of they say, you know, it's linked to some movements who— it's linked to some movements who y— it's linked to some movements who . you— it's linked to some movements who . you mow.— it's linked to some movements who , you know, might be racist who, you know, might be racist hhemeewee— who, you know, might be racist themselves or— who, you know, might be racist themselves or things like that. do themselves or things like that. ho you— themselves or things like that. ho you wew— themselves or things like that. do you view englishness as a heeheh— do you view englishness as a racist concept— do you view englishness as a racist concept in— do you view englishness as a racist concept in and of itself? go.— racist concept in and of itself? to, h— racist concept in and of itself? to, h ooh-h— racist concept in and of itself? no, i don't really— racist concept in and of itself? no, i don't really understand the— no, i don't really understand the ehgumem— no, i don't really understand the argument at— no, i don't really understand the argument at all. i have to do the argument at all. i have to to h— the argument at all. i have to to h to— the argument at all. i have to to h to you— the argument at all. i have to do i do you know— the argument at all. i have to do i do you know what? wwwithww do i do you know what? now, i am a do i do you know what? now, i am every— do i do you know what? now, i am a very patriotic person. i think most of our viewers know that about me. but i also grew up in nonh about me. but i also grew up in north london and it just wasn't the done thing to be draping yourself in the flag, you know, it just wasn't something that people did, didn't have a flagpole in my front garden . flagpole in my front garden. you're posh, emily. well, i you're too posh, emily. well, i don't know if it's— you're too posh, emily. well, i don't know if it's that- you're too posh, emily. well, i don't know if it's that or- /witw. ”iii: .«w well, i don't know if it's that or if the— don't know if it's that or if the hue— don't know if it's that or if it's just living— don't know if it's that or if it's just living within the m2 25 oh— it's just living within the m2 25 or something— it's just living within the m2 25 or something because i'm hemohe. — 25 or something because i'm patriotic. but— 25 or something because i'm patriotic. but then - 25 or something because i'm patriotic. ti tihiwh: patriotic. but then i had teachers at school who refused to sing the national anthem. so, you know, it's just are you know, it's just you are a product of where you live, but it doesn't help we have it doesn't help when we have politicians like emily thornberry the flag thornberry sneering at the flag . it doesn't help when you have you know, the on twitter you know, the usuals on twitter and every social media platform

making fun of people, calling them, you know, edl ers for carrying a flag . but i think it carrying a flag. but i think it really does depend on where you come in the country, how much you have that present you have that flag present in your i mean, polling your life. yeah, i mean, polling euggeehe— your life. yeah, i mean, polling euggeehe the— your life. yeah, i mean, polling suggests the right— . . ”hi; yeah, i mean, polling suggests the right that a lot of heohhe— suggests the right that a lot of people associate _ suggests the right that a lot of people associate being english whh—you- people associate being english. whh—you mow. people associate being english witiidentity you know, people associate being english witiidentity that you know, people associate being english witiidentity that isn't you know, people associate being english witiidentity that isn't consumed. our identity that isn't consumed by our identity that isn't consumed hy meee— our identity that isn't consumed by these notions— our identity that isn't consumed by these notions of race and other— by these notions of race and other thhge— by these notions of race and other things which some people are other things which some people oheeeeet— other things which some people are obsessed with.— other things which some people are obsessed with. as benjamin did are obsessed with. as benjamin the et— are obsessed with. as benjamin the et the— are obsessed with. as benjamin did at the start— are obsessed with. as benjamin did at the start there, as ththg— did at the start there, as ththg ht— did at the start there, as linking it with, you know, leo gutte— linking it with, you know, leo quite unexpectedly made a good hohtt— quite unexpectedly made a good hotht. whteh— quite unexpectedly made a good point, which was— quite unexpectedly made a good point, which was when he said thet— point, which was when he said thet hhgteht— point, which was when he said that england is— point, which was when he said that england is the straight whtte— that england is the straight whtte me— that england is the straight white man of— that england is the straight white man of countries, you know why— white man of countries, you know why you— white man of countries, you know why you eet— white man of countries, you know why you eet there— white man of countries, you know why you sat there moaning about a why you sat there moaning about e-thet-e— why you sat there moaning about a-that's-powerfull a country that's got so powerful . eo moh— a country that's got so powerful . eo rteh the— a country that's got so powerful , so rich, the whole— a country that's got so powerful , so rich, the whole world eheete— , so rich, the whole world eheete rte— , so rich, the whole world speaks its language. you know, hettohet— speaks its language. you know, national dress— speaks its language. you know, national dress ,_ speaks its language. you know, national dress , lots of cultural national dress, lots of cultural the— national dress, lots of cultural norms the world _ national dress, lots of cultural norms the world over . the national dress, lots of cultural norms the world over. the music tohe— norms the world over. the music the— norms the world over. the music icons the world _ norms the world over. the music icons the world over— norms the world over. the music icons the world over are hhgtteh. — icons the world over are hhgtteh. why— icons the world over are english. why are you moaning ehout— english. why are you moaning ehoutlttte— english. why are you moaning aboutllike it's— english. why are you moaning about like it's some kind of about it like it's some kind of hhetett— about it like it's some kind of ofsted,-said._ about it like it's some kind of ofsted,-said. as- about it like it's some kind of ofsted, said. as neil said ofsted, nana said. as neil said at ofsted, nana said. as neil said et the— ofsted, nana said. as neil said et the etert— ofsted, nana said. as neil said at the start there, _ ofsted, nana said. as neil said at the start there, leo mentioned _ at the start there, leo mentioned the fact that soottehtt— mentioned the fact that scotland, you - mentioned the fact that scotland, you know, bedrock scotland, you know, the bedrock of-enlightenment- scotland, you know, the bedrock of-enlightenment ,- scotland, you know, the bedrock of enlightenment, right? of the enlightenment, right? attem— of the enlightenment, right? htem-ttght.- of the enlightenment, right? adam-right. he- of the enlightenment, right? adam right. he gave us adam smith right. he gave us moemt— adam smith right. he gave us modern capitalism, which you

toethe— modern capitalism, which you toethe hut— modern capitalism, which you loathe but benefit and you loathe but benefit from. and you mow.— loathe but benefit from. and you know eth— loathe but benefit from. and you know ett oh— loathe but benefit from. and you know, all of these— loathe but benefit from. and you know, all of these things are greet— know, all of these things are greet eho— know, all of these things are great and scotland is proud to be great and scotland is proud to he soottteh. — great and scotland is proud to be scottish. why— great and scotland is proud to be scottish. why can we not be trout— be scottish. why can we not be proud to— be scottish. why can we not be grout to he— be scottish. why can we not be proud to be english mean? leo prohehty— proud to be english mean? leo can probably answer this, but i met— can probably answer this, but i thht hert— can probably answer this, but i thht hert oh— can probably answer this, but i think part of it— can probably answer this, but i think part of it is— can probably answer this, but i think part of it is that scotland— think part of it is that scotland is- think part of it is that scotland is proud of that ttehtttyt— scotland is proud of that ttehttty. h— scotland is proud of that identity, in contrast to englishness.- identity, in contrast to englishness. that's why it feels so englishness. that's why it feels eo much— englishness. that's why it feels so much more vivid. whenever twe— so much more vivid. whenever the gone— so much more vivid. whenever the gone to— so much more vivid. whenever i've gone to scotland, have i've gone to scotland, i have heeh— i've gone to scotland, i have been surprised _ i've gone to scotland, i have been surprised by just how how horthrtght— been surprised by just how how forthright-with- been surprised by just how how forthright with their forthright they are with their ttehttty. — forthright they are with their identity. _but- forthright they are with their identity. - but is - forthright they are with their identity. _but is it. identity. yeah, but is it because we just know we're superior ? we'll never know that. superior? we'll never know that. ho — superior? we'll never know that. ho wett— superior? we'll never know that. no well, coming— superior? we'll never know that. no well, coming up next, it is time for albie argument. albie is going to say manchester united and man city's badges are not racist. don't go away .

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these ships from these badges actually do for anyone who is suffering from the impacts of racial disparities? diddly squat, that's what, you know, we should be proud of our history. manchester should be proud of its history . if we got rid of its history. if we got rid of everything which had an association with empire or slavery, we'd have nothing left . no statues, no royal family no banks, no insurance companies, no universities . but the no universities. but the anti—capitalists would be happy with that. it's time that we weren't ashamed about britain's history changing these badges will do absolutely nothing to help people. we've got to stop the virtue signalling and get real. everyone alive in britain today is a beneficiary of empire .even today is a beneficiary of empire . even guardian readers . . even guardian readers. benjamin, you're a guardian reader , aren't you? i've got reader, aren't you? i've got that right, haven't i? you've outed me. oh, gosh. well, i think we all knew, but i think my point is , why is it that the my point is, why is it that the

guardian is so surprised that all of these institutions have links with slavery and empire ? i links with slavery and empire? i mean, i'd put it back to you that why is it that confronting these kind of history, this history of the country, the relationship that so many institutions have with deplorable colonialism, with the abuse of black people and minorities, why is it that it provokes such discussion effort? it's because a lot of people in this country, white people, particularly , take it as particularly, take it as a personal offence to be told of the history and the crimes against humanity that britain did during its colonial era. but emily carver, this football badge was actually designed after britain had abolished slavery. well, there's that . i slavery. well, there's that. i ooh-t— slavery. well, there's that. i toh-t cere— slavery. well, there's that. i don't care for— slavery. well, there's that. i don't care for the— 3 well, there's that. i don't care for the badges, but it don't care for the badges, but ht toee— don't care for the badges, but ht toee eem— don't care for the badges, but it does seem like— don't care for the badges, but it does seem like for many euertteh— it does seem like for many guardian columnists, reporters eho— guardian columnists, reporters eht othere— guardian columnists, reporters and others that— guardian columnists, reporters and others that finding things thet— and others that finding things thet toute— and others that finding things that could be— and others that finding things that could be racy list has heome— that could be racy list has heome e— that could be racy list has become a bit— that could be racy list has become a bit of- that could be racy list has become a bit of a sport looking hto— become a bit of a sport looking into absolutely— become a bit of a sport looking into absolutely everything in our into absolutely everything in eouhtry— into absolutely everything in eouhtry .— into absolutely everything in our country , demonising it, our country, demonising it, eeyhg— our country, demonising it, eeyhg tt-e— our country, demonising it, saying it's either institutionally racist , has institutionally racist, has thte— institutionally racist, has thte to— institutionally racist, has

links to slavery and ergo must be links to slavery and ergo must he wehteh— links to slavery and ergo must be vanish from _ links to slavery and ergo must be vanish from our countries htetory— be vanish from our countries htetory eho— be vanish from our countries history and from— be vanish from our countries history and from our current ettuettoh— history and from our current situation. it— history and from our current situation. it has— history and from our current situation. it has become a sport . hte— situation. it has become a sport . the the— situation. it has become a sport . the the e— situation. it has become a sport . it's like a game— situation. it has become a sport . it's like a game for people now. darren,— . it's like a game for people now. darren, are- . it's like a game for people now. liftiiitti hitihi; . it's like a game for people now. . it's like a game for people- now. darren, are you ashamed of britain's colonial past? i comments that winston churchill, for example , made about indians. for example, made about indians. well, i mean , he was a bit busy well, i mean, he was a bit busy at time trying to keep the at that time trying to keep the british people alive. right that was war. so i'm sure he was during a war. so i'm sure he would have to be able to would have loved to be able to help out our former british empire state . but at that time, empire state. but at that time, he absolutely couldn't. and there was a horrendous natural event that had taken place that meant that there was a famine in bengal . what was bengal at that bengal. what was bengal at that time. but putting that to one side, you know, i actually think people that wax lyrical about this or the likes of gary lineker, for example, is like, oh, suella braverman , she's a. oh, suella braverman, she's a. when actually why do they not talk about the fact that man man united is about to be bought out by the qataris we talk about today , not yesterday, because

today, not yesterday, because actually , if we look at what actually, if we look at what britain did yesterday , they britain did yesterday, they spending a load of our gdp on abolishing slavery throughout the world and naval lives. let's not forget british men and boys died in order to actually aboush died in order to actually abolish slavery throughout the world. so, yes, if you ask me, am i proud to be british, i totally am. i think it's a great record. but leo, does the fact that british taxpayers were paying that british taxpayers were paying essentially reparations to former slave owners until 2015, does that not make you feel uncomfortable? no that makes me feel proud- feel uncomfortable? no that makes me feel proud to- ”tiwit. -i7 with that makes me feel proud to be hrttteh— makes me feel proud to be hrttteh. we— makes me feel proud to be british. we didn't invent eteyery— british. we didn't invent eteyery .— british. we didn't invent etewery . we— british. we didn't invent slavery . we invented abolishing slavery. we invented abolishing eteyeryt— slavery. we invented abolishing etewery. whteh— slavery. we invented abolishing slavery, which is— slavery. we invented abolishing slavery, which is something that hrttteh— slavery, which is something that hrttteh heohte— slavery, which is something that british people should be proud of. british people should be proud oh. amt— british people should be proud oh. amt h— british people should be proud of. and i think— british people should be proud of. and i think emily's right. i the— of. and i think emily's right. i the euhhty— of. and i think emily's right. i mean, the supply of racism, whteh— mean, the supply of racism, which guardian— mean, the supply of racism, which guardian readers need eomethhg— which guardian readers need eomethhg to— which guardian readers need something to get upset about every— something to get upset about every week.— something to get upset about every week, the— something to get upset about every week, the supply of racism ten-t— every week, the supply of racism teh-t teehhg— every week, the supply of racism teh-t teehhg uh— every week, the supply of racism isn't keeping up with demand isn't keeping up with the demand -ereht— isn't keeping up with the demand .-ereh-t-ehthe- isn't keeping up with the demand .-aren't-ships on- . these aren't slave ships on the— . these aren't slave ships on the hetgee— . these aren't slave ships on the hetgee .— . these aren't slave ships on the badges . these are just. the badges. these are just. hheee— the badges. these are just. these-ships.- the badges. these are just. these ships. ships these are just ships. ships terry— these are just ships. ships eerry eth— these are just ships. ships carry all kinds— these are just ships. ships carry all kinds of things. they

terry— carry all kinds of things. they terry-.— carry all kinds of things. they terry-t they— carry all kinds of things. they terry-t they terry- carry all kinds of things. they carry , they carry teslas. carry corn, they carry teslas. you— carry corn, they carry teslas. you-ht— carry corn, they carry teslas. you - it doesn't - carry corn, they carry teslas. you it doesn't they're not you know, it doesn't they're not eoeethteetty— you know, it doesn't they're not specifically slave _ you know, it doesn't they're not specifically slave ships. it's rttteutoue— specifically slave ships. it's ridiculous. there is racism in hoothett— ridiculous. there is racism in football and— ridiculous. there is racism in football and it's— ridiculous. there is racism in football and it's anti—white hh— football and it's anti—white racism. if you— football and it's anti—white racism. if you look at the theme— racism. if you look at the premier league, there are there-e— premier league, there are there's nowhere near enough whtte— there's nowhere near enough whtte reh— there's nowhere near enough white rep presentation. we're exetutet— white rep presentation. we're excluded from _ white rep presentation. we're excluded from football just heuee— excluded from football just because we're _ excluded from football just because we're not that good at it. because we're not that good at ht. amt— because we're not that good at ht. amt hte— because we're not that good at it. and it's not— because we're not that good at it. and it's not fair. i demand eguet— it. and it's not fair. i demand equal representation for white heohwe. — equal representation for white heohwe. wett— equal representation for white people. well, equal- people. well, equal representation . but benjamin representation. but benjamin should we change everything that has had potentially has links to slavery ? i mean, look, the slavery? i mean, look, the gueettoh— slavery? i mean, look, the question about— ”g 7 i mean, look, the question about this ship and its three— question about this ship and its three meete— question about this ship and its three masts is— question about this ship and its three masts is whether that repreeehte— three masts is whether that represents cotton ships that were a product— represents cotton ships that were a product of slavery and colonialism. _ were a product of slavery and colonialism. now,- were a product of slavery and colonialism. wwwihwh were a product of slavery and colonialism. wwwihww :witwi . were a product of slavery and colonialism. wwwihwh h:itwti . colonialism. now, we don't know it for a fact. so, you know , it for a fact. so, you know, this might just be a storm in a teacup. but i think that if it does have those associations, you know, you talked about black footballers and white footballers and white footballers or the lack of, well, a black well, imagine being a black footballer having to wear a shirt the product of your shirt with the product of your ancestors abuse blazing. my grandfather , who emigrated here grandfather, who emigrated here from ghana in the late 50

seconds, guess what? football team he supports? he's black, by the way. manchester united and people. i'm probably the only mancunian on the panel, right? in spite of my accent disguising this fact. and you know, manchester is a proud place. it's been revolutionary it's been a revolutionary place that's been the start of many social movements . and i don't social movements. and i don't think it should afraid to think it should be afraid to keep that history. buti think it should be afraid to keep that history. but i just keep up that history. but i just wonder keep up that history. but i just wote why— keep up that history. but i just wonder why guardian - .. ti but i just wonder why guardian columnists ehooee— wonder why guardian columnists choose us, this— wonder why guardian columnists choose us, this kind of thing, to-oh — choose us, this kind of thing, to-oh they-re- choose us, this kind of thing, to-on. they're on- choose us, this kind of thing, to on. they're on the to report on. they're on the hum— to report on. they're on the hunt hor— to report on. they're on the hunt for something that they eoutt— hunt for something that they eoutt hhmh— hunt for something that they could find that— hunt for something that they could find that could be racist or hereewe— could find that could be racist or perceive as— could find that could be racist or perceive as racist. i don't mow.— or perceive as racist. i don't know he— or perceive as racist. i don't know he you— or perceive as racist. i don't know he you eey.- or perceive as racist. i don't know. as you say, does this apply?— know. as you say, does this ehhtye treet— know. as you say, does this apply? meet the - know. as you say, does this apply? meet the demand? it's eteerty— apply? meet the demand? it's eteerty hot. — apply? meet the demand? it's clearly not. they're pinching it ever smaller— clearly not. they're pinching it ever smaller things, ever more thy— ever smaller things, ever more thy thhge— ever smaller things, ever more tiny things that— ever smaller things, ever more tiny things that could possibly heutt— tiny things that could possibly insult someone.— tiny things that could possibly insult someone. i— tiny things that could possibly insult someone. i would say as eyohe— insult someone. i would say as anyone actually— insult someone. i would say as anyone actually tried to read thet— anyone actually tried to read thet entre— anyone actually tried to read that entire article. it is a teet— that entire article. it is a snore fest .— that entire article. it is a snore fest . i— that entire article. it is a snore fest . i read it. 3000. snore fest. i read it. 3000. heretthty— snore fest. i read it. 3000. incredibly boring . .tihitihi; incredibly boring. but is there a incredibly boring. but is there e te— incredibly boring. but is there a is there a broader problem, darren, which is that people in britain actually just don't actually know that much about our history of empire. so we're always surprised when we hear

that there are royal that there are the royal families got links to slavery. manchester united or the guardian links to guardian newspaper links to slavery. that's me as a historian, that's not a shock. oh, oh, darren, we'll have to get— oh, oh, darren, we'll have to get your— oh, oh, darren, we'll have to get your thoughts in another ttme. — get your thoughts in another ttme. hut— get your thoughts in another time. but still— get your thoughts in another time. .. : ti time. but still ahead, benjamin is tackling the biggest issues as usual. he says the lack of all night greggs stores represents nothing less than the decline of western civilisation. this could be interesting . this could be interesting. perhaps see you shortly .

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hrtteh— her. greggs, good evening, britain. tonight— greggs, good evening, britain. tonight night i raise a tohte— britain. tonight night i raise a tohte thet— britain. tonight night i raise a rogue thet te— britain. tonight night i raise a topic that is damaging these tetehte— topic that is damaging these islands, hurting— topic that is damaging these islands, hurting its people and uhtermhhg— islands, hurting its people and undermining our— islands, hurting its people and undermining our economy . arnie. undermining our economy. arnie. y...— undermining our economy. arnie. yee the— undermining our economy. arnie. yee the teet— undermining our economy. arnie. yes, the lack of— undermining our economy. arnie. yes, the lack of late night oregge— yes, the lack of late night greggs greggs— yes, the lack of late night greggs greggs the geordie bakers has greggs greggs the geordie bakers hee heeh— greggs greggs the geordie bakers hee heeh tott— greggs greggs the geordie bakers has been told that— greggs greggs the geordie bakers has been told that it cannot open— has been told that it cannot open greet— has been told that it cannot open heet rt— has been told that it cannot open past 11 pm. in leicester sguere— open past 11 pm. in leicester sguere oh— open past 11 pm. in leicester sguere oh eth— open past 11 pm. in leicester square of all places because westminster— square of all places because westminster council says that 24 hour— westminster council says that 24 hour eeueeeg— westminster council says that 24 hour sausage rolls— westminster council says that 24 hour sausage rolls might cause a oh— hour sausage rolls might cause a oh ortme— hour sausage rolls might cause a oh .— hour sausage rolls might cause a wave of crime . what a half baked wave of crime. what a half baked . hut— wave of crime. what a half baked nonsense . but the— wave of crime. what a half baked nonsense . but the truth is that nonsense. but the truth is that whtte— nonsense. but the truth is that whtte wehthg— nonsense. but the truth is that while wanting a— nonsense. but the truth is that while wanting a sausage roll in the mtttte— while wanting a sausage roll in the middle of— while wanting a sausage roll in the middle of the— while wanting a sausage roll in the middle of the night might eouht— the middle of the night might eouht hte— the middle of the night might eouht the e— the middle of the night might sound like a spurious argument, it sound like a spurious argument, ht reetty— sound like a spurious argument, it really epitomises the flaky ehhroeeh— it really epitomises the flaky ehhroeeh to— it really epitomises the flaky approach to our— it really epitomises the flaky approach to our economy. it's the— approach to our economy. it's the ee— approach to our economy. it's the same idea— approach to our economy. it's the same idea that says that huhe— the same idea that says that route eho— the same idea that says that pubs and clubs— the same idea that says that pubs and clubs in big cities emot— pubs and clubs in big cities emot oheh— pubs and clubs in big cities cannot open after 11 pm, let etohe— cannot open after 11 pm, let etohe h— cannot open after 11 pm, let alone in towns— cannot open after 11 pm, let alone in towns and villages. thre— alone in towns and villages. hhte te— alone in towns and villages. hhhe he the— alone in towns and villages. this is the tyranny of jobsworths- this is the tyranny of jobsworths and curtain twitchers and jobsworths and curtain twitchers eht h— jobsworths and curtain twitchers eht h eey— jobsworths and curtain twitchers eht h eey thet— jobsworths and curtain twitchers and i say that now— jobsworths and curtain twitchers and i say that now councils of hrhtehh— and i say that now councils of hrhtehh tree— and i say that now councils of britain free the— and i say that now councils of britain free the steak , bake . britain free the steak, bake. very— britain free the steak, bake. yery gooe— britain free the steak, bake. yery goot. yery— britain free the steak, bake. very good. very good indeed . very good. very good indeed. you— very good. very good indeed. you heu— very good. very good indeed. you had three— very good. very good indeed. you had three seconds- very good. very good indeed. you had three seconds spare there. well came out early. well, i can pop to greggs now .

well, i can pop to greggs now. toot.— well, i can pop to greggs now. toot. h— well, i can pop to greggs now. toot. h mow— well, i can pop to greggs now. look, i know that— well, i can pop to greggs now. look, i know that obviously it is look, i know that obviously it he hot— look, i know that obviously it he not the— look, i know that obviously it is not the greatest issue in the worth— is not the greatest issue in the worth to— is not the greatest issue in the worth to get— is not the greatest issue in the worth to get e— is not the greatest issue in the world to get a ring doughnut at 2 world to get a ring doughnut at z em— world to get a ring doughnut at z hut— world to get a ring doughnut at z hut h— world to get a ring doughnut at 2 am, but i think— world to get a ring doughnut at 2 am, but i think there's 2 a.m, but i think there's a teet— 2 a.m, but i think there's a real question— 2 am, but i think there's a real question about how we've heome— real question about how we've heome e— real question about how we've become a small— real question about how we've become a small minded country thet— become a small minded country thet hete— become a small minded country thet tete h— become a small minded country thet tete h or— become a small minded country that lets 1 or 2— become a small minded country that lets 1 or 2 moaners stop, whether— that lets 1 or 2 moaners stop, whether hte— that lets 1 or 2 moaners stop, whether it's bakery chain or whether it's a bakery chain or whether— whether it's a bakery chain or whether hte— whether it's a bakery chain or whether it's a— whether it's a bakery chain or whether it's a pub or a club or even a new houses. i mean, emilyr— even a new houses. i mean, hmhty. h— even a new houses. i mean, gmw, h thhht— even a new houses. i mean, emily, i think you're sort of getthhg— emily, i think you're sort of getthhg oh— emily, i think you're sort of getting on the— emily, i think you're sort of getting on the housing ladder. it's getting on the housing ladder. the hot— getting on the housing ladder. the hot eheeh. — getting on the housing ladder. it's not cheap. how do you feel ehout— about these things? how do i teet— about these things? how do i heet ehout— about these things? how do i feel about this? well, i read about this greggs decision and the said don't have the police said they don't have enough essentially to enough police, essentially to they it's going to an they think it's going to be an antisocial greggs open antisocial hotspot. greggs open at 2 am. in leicester square. we've all been to leicester square at 2 am, probably me, i imagine. and it can be absolute carnage. but i don't understand why the mcdonald's gets to stay open all night and not greggs. is there some kind of idea that greggs is even more low brow, even more scummy than mcdonald's? it seems very unfair. well, yeah. and mcdonald is unfair. well, yeah. and mcdonald he more— unfair. well, yeah. and mcdonald he mute the— unfair. well, yeah. and mcdonald he mute the he— unfair. well, yeah. and mcdonald he mute the he e— .. . well, yeah. and mcdonald is apple pie is a viable weapon . the— is apple pie is a viable weapon . hhe eue— is apple pie is a viable weapon . the sauce inside— is apple pie is a viable weapon

. the sauce inside is hotter theh— . the sauce inside is hotter hee hee— . the sauce inside is hotter hee hee .— . the sauce inside is hotter than lava . but— . the sauce inside is hotter than lava . but you don't think than lava. but you don't think the— than lava. but you don't think thhe eort— than lava. but you don't think thhe eort oh— than lava. but you don't think this sort of you— than lava. but you don't think this sort of you know darren, do you— this sort of you know darren, do you hot— this sort of you know darren, do you not met— this sort of you know darren, do you not think that— this sort of you know darren, do you not think that this epitomises— you not think that this epitomises how you can have just a epitomises how you can have just e eouhte— epitomises how you can have just e eouhte oh— epitomises how you can have just a couple of moaners, sort of anxious, tyrannical attitudes trom— anxious, tyrannical attitudes from councils— anxious, tyrannical attitudes from councils and a handful of toeetee — from councils and a handful of toeetee cm— from councils and a handful of locals? can stop— from councils and a handful of locals? ti locals? can stop anyone else having any fun? well do you know what, benjamin? i'm going to break the habit of a lifetime. as long as i've known you, that is. and say that i actually agree with everything that you've said. well, here we you've just said. well, here we are. oh, are. get the klaxon going. oh, hell. frozen over . it truly hell. has frozen over. it truly has. honestly , one has. because honestly, one complaint i read it was one complaint i read it was one complaint that stopped greggs being able to open at these times when you know people after you've boogie, you've had a good boogie, perhaps you've got drunk, don't do that. well not to have 1 or 2 bottles of whatever and you want to pop in for a greggs sausage roll, why shouldn't you be able to do that? one person grumbles . you know what? if you've . do you know what? if you've got problem with noise in got a problem with noise in leicester in leicester square, don't live in leicester square, don't live in leicester and know leicester square. and you know what? said? greg said, what? greggs said? greg said, sorry, what? greggs said? greg said, sorry—eeu- what? greggs said? greg said,| sorryt—eeht-they

sorry, albie greg said that they woutt— sorry, albie greg said that they woutt-extre— sorry, albie greg said that they would extra security. they'd would get extra security. they'd hete— would get extra security. they'd hewe my,— would get extra security. they'd have cctv, they'd _ would get extra security. they'd have cctv, they'd help out the home— have cctv, they'd help out the hothee hh— have cctv, they'd help out the hothee hh ehy— have cctv, they'd help out the police in any way— have cctv, they'd help out the police in any way they can. but ethtt— police in any way they can. but ethtw oregge— police in any way they can. but still greggs isn't— police in any way they can. but still greggs isn't allowed. yeeh— still greggs isn't allowed. yeeh. h— still greggs isn't allowed. yeah, i mean,— still greggs isn't allowed. yeah, i mean, they've- still greggs isn't allowed. yeah, i mean, they've got bouncers to stop darren getting in. they have . what is it with in. they have. what is it with labour councillors ruining soho? i mean, these are your people, benjamin , and it's ruining soho. benjamin, and it's ruining soho. but do you know what? why are they being annoying about they being so annoying about this? i mean, look, this? this is. i mean, look, first all, first of all, it's a conservative council. when originally took the decision. but look, this isn't really about or about leicester square or london, ? but what london, okay? but what it epitomises is when you can have the heart of nightlife and of film the biggest film premieres in the biggest city in the country and still the nimbyism, the not in my back yard acute that they can't yard is so acute that they can't sell sausage rolls after 11 pm. i think this shows a serious national problem. we have in attitudes. go on. do you not think it's snobbery though as well? because it's greggs, right? and greggs is seen as being, you know, you can go in and buy a meal deal for a few quid and people go in there and there's this sort of connotation

of it being negative because people get fat or whatever. yeah.i people get fat or whatever. yeah. i mean i feel you don't go in greggs, you know, with the idea that you're going to come out with some. i don't know. but to play devil's advocate, herreh— but to play devil's advocate, herreh toee— but to play devil's advocate, darren, does it— but to play devil's advocate, darren, does it also not show thet— darren, does it also not show thet we— darren, does it also not show thet we ooh-t— darren, does it also not show that we don't know how to behave 7 that we don't know how to behave ? if that we don't know how to behave e hh you— that we don't know how to behave e hh you go— that we don't know how to behave e hh you go to— that we don't know how to behave ? if you go to leicester square or here— ? if you go to leicester square or herte oh— ? if you go to leicester square or parts of london— ? if you go to leicester square or parts of london in the middle of or parts of london in the middle oh-hhghtt— or parts of london in the middle of-night, which— or parts of london in the middle of-night, which i— or parts of london in the middle of night, which i don't do of the night, which i don't do so of the night, which i don't do eo-oh— of the night, which i don't do so _of nowadays,- of the night, which i don't do so of nowadays, but anyway, so much of nowadays, but anyway, when— so much of nowadays, but anyway, when r— so much of nowadays, but anyway, when it— so much of nowadays, but anyway, when it .— so much of nowadays, but anyway, when it . ht— so much of nowadays, but anyway, when i-it , it seems— so much of nowadays, but anyway, when i it , it seems lawless. when i did it, it seems lawless. there— when i did it, it seems lawless. hhere ee— when i did it, it seems lawless. there are people— when i did it, it seems lawless. there are people throwing thhhge— there are people throwing things, there— there are people throwing things, there are knives about, there— things, there are knives about, there ee— things, there are knives about, there are people— things, there are knives about, there are people behaving like eheotute— there are people behaving like eheotute .— there are people behaving like absolute , absolute barbarians . there are people behaving like absolute , absolute barbarians. i absolute, absolute barbarians. i heye you— absolute, absolute barbarians. i mean, have you been to donald's at mean, have you been to donald's et e— mean, have you been to donald's et 3 em— mean, have you been to donald's et 3 ht— mean, have you been to donald's et 3 ht he— mean, have you been to donald's et 3 ht he e— mean, have you been to donald's at 3 am? it is a horrific what em — at 3 am? it is a horrific what em h— at 3 am? it is a horrific what em h gohhg— at 3 am? it is a horrific what em h gohhg to— at 3 am? it is a horrific what am i going to do— at 3 am? it is a horrific what am i going to do with the eeueeeg— am i going to do with the sausage roll?— am i going to do with the sausage roll? - am i going to do with the sausage roll? wt.tiiig ig sausage roll? people charging people things. people behave like absolute hooligans these like absolute hooligans in these places. istill like absolute hooligans in these places. i still think it should be places. i still think it should he oheh— places. i still think it should be open overnight,- t i still think it should be open overnight, but be open overnight, but. but i toute— be open overnight, but. but i court—mhghtl be open overnight, but. but ii could—might be could see why there might be concerns. leo— could see why there might be concerns. leo i— could see why there might be concerns. ti . concerns. leo i don't know whether i'm making guesses by age whether a home age of whether you're a home owner. you're okay. but owner. no, you're not. okay. but i think a lot of people who own homes or maybe are older, they're blocking that old, but they're blocking that old, but they're blocking that old, but they're blocking . they want

they're blocking. they want local pubs and things to close down they say, well, down because they say, well, there's and make there's a bit of noise and make a complaint. but you think a complaint. but do you think that's acceptable? you think that's acceptable? do you think that's acceptable? do you think that's to a country? that's a way to run a country? no, i don't. i don't think it is. no, i don't. i don't think it he. who— no, i don't. i don't think it he. amt hte— no, i don't. i don't think it is. and it's great- no, i don't. i don't think it is. and it's great to see you out— is. and it's great to see you come out as a— is. and it's great to see you come out as a as- is. and it's great to see you come out as a as a free market eehhtethet— come out as a as a free market capitalist right?— come out as a as a free market capitalist right? thatcherite entrepreneurial is entrepreneurial spirit is blossoming— entrepreneurial spirit is- blossoming—and blossoming within you. and thet-e— blossoming within you. and thet-e greet— blossoming within you. and that's great see. we should that's great to see. we should huehheeeee— that's great to see. we should businesses should be free to set up eho— businesses should be free to set up eht heohte— businesses should be free to set up and people should be free to tewetoh— up and people should be free to develop housing— up and people should be free to develop housing so, so that we can alleviate— develop housing so, so that we can alleviate the— develop housing so, so that we can alleviate the housing ehortege. — can alleviate the housing shortage. think shortage. and i think it's ridiculous.— shortage. and i think it's ridiculous. you- shortage. and i think it's ridiculous. you know, local euthorhty— ridiculous. you know, local authority planning permissions seems ridiculous— authority planning permissions seems ridiculous you've seems ridiculous that you've got to—htemhhg- to wade through planning applications— to wade through planning applications to build a conservatory- applications to build a conservatory in your garden , conservatory in your garden, whereee— conservatory in your garden, whereee the— conservatory in your garden, whereas the local authority can teete— whereas the local authority can teehte to— whereas the local authority can teehte to out— whereas the local authority can decide to put 700 _ whereas the local authority can decide to put 700 illegal hmmhgrehte— decide to put 700 illegal immigrants in— decide to put 700 illegal immigrants in your village. it's whth— immigrants in your village. it's whth you— immigrants in your village. it's whth you get— immigrants in your village. it's whth you get ho— immigrants in your village. it's with you get no say in it. it seems there's— with you get no say in it. it seems there's no - with you get no say in it. it seems there's no there's no hetehee— seems there's no there's no balance there. _ seems there's no there's no balance there. there's no herhty. — balance there. there's no herhty. hhu— balance there. there's no parity. did it— balance there. there's no parity. “j h: . : balance there. there's no parity. “j h: . ..: . parity. did it used to be like this, though? because, you know, for example, i used to live in in vauxhall in south london, which lots of clubs and which has lots of clubs and they've put big, high rise buildings there. and now some of those venues. and this

those nightlife venues. and this is in across is happening in cities across the canal street the country. canal street in manchester the same manchester has had the same thing. people move into thing. the people move into houses and they down houses and they shut down the businesses. that businesses. was it like that ten, 20 ago or has it got ten, 20 years ago or has it got worse? yeah, i mean, i think i met— worse? yeah, i mean, i think i thhht there-e— worse? yeah, i mean, i think i think there's a— 7 yeah, i mean, i think i think there's a problem with heohte— think there's a problem with heohte mowhhg— think there's a problem with people moving into an area. so in people moving into an area. so he soho— people moving into an area. so he soho or— people moving into an area. so in soho or whatever and they buy,— in soho or whatever and they huylthow— in soho or whatever and they huylthow. the- in soho or whatever and they buy, know, the rich people, buy, you know, the rich people, they— buy, you know, the rich people, they huy— buy, you know, the rich people, they huy eh— buy, you know, the rich people, they buy an expensive flat and they— they buy an expensive flat and they-eeem— they buy an expensive flat and they-eeem to— they buy an expensive flat and they seem to realise that they don't seem to realise that it's they don't seem to realise that the-you— they don't seem to realise that ht-e-you mow.- they don't seem to realise that it's-you know, the- it's actually, you know, the eort— it's actually, you know, the sort-cultural— it's actually, you know, the sort cultural hub with sort of cultural hub with hhghtetuhe— sort of cultural hub with- nightclubs—surprised nightclubs and things. surprised heohte— nightclubs and things. surprised heohte-out— nightclubs and things. surprised heohte-out hh- nightclubs and things. surprised people out in soho . people are going out in soho. i g,— people are going out in soho. i g, hte— people are going out in soho. i mean, it, it's ludicrous. i- people are going out in soho. ti . . h: t i went mean, it, it's ludicrous. i went there during the— mean, it, it's ludicrous. i went there during the day- mean, it, it's ludicrous. i went there during the day and- ti . . h: t i went there during the day and they toothhg— there during the day and they were looking at— there during the day and they were looking at the flat and then— were looking at the flat and then they— were looking at the flat and then they get— were looking at the flat and then they get a— were looking at the flat and then they get a shock at 3 am. hut— then they get a shock at 3 am. hut soho— then they get a shock at 3 am. hut soho wee— then they get a shock at 3 am. but soho was full— then they get a shock at 3 am. but soho was full of sex shops, whheh— but soho was full of sex shops, whheh-toh-t— but soho was full of sex shops, which-don't get— but soho was full of sex shops, which don't get the hint. which you don't get the hint. thet-e— which you don't get the hint. thet-e whet— which you don't get the hint. that's what the— which you don't get the hint. that's what the box. - which you don't get the hint. what that's what the box. what a moment. thank very much to moment. thank you very much to all of our audience for tuning in, especially, of course, our special guest, lee aukus . thank special guest, lee aukus. thank you. you've been phenomenal. leo. leo will be back hosting headliners tonight, so make sure you don't miss that. 11:00. next up, it's the brilliant mark dolan with his fantastic saturday night show. i'll see you next week . hello there . very

you next week. hello there. very good— you next week. hello there. very goot eweehg— you next week. hello there. very good evening. welcome- tiwitx. hello there. very good evening. welcome to your teteet— good evening. welcome to your latest weather— good evening. welcome to your latest weather update from the wet— latest weather update from the wet hhhhee. — latest weather update from the met office. i'm— latest weather update from the met office. i'm jonathan hewtree. — met office. i'm jonathan hewtree. h— met office. i'm jonathan bawtree. a mixture of showers eho— bawtree. a mixture of showers me home— bawtree. a mixture of showers and longer spells— bawtree. a mixture of showers and longer spells of rain to greet— and longer spells of rain to greet ue— and longer spells of rain to greet us throughout sunday, all thehte— greet us throughout sunday, all theme to— greet us throughout sunday, all thanks to low— greet us throughout sunday, all thanks to low pressure being in eherge— thanks to low pressure being in eherge oh— thanks to low pressure being in eherge oh our— thanks to low pressure being in charge of our weather and hrhhghhg— charge of our weather and hrhhghhg ue— charge of our weather and bringing us relatively unsettled eohththohe— bringing us relatively unsettled eohththohe .— bringing us relatively unsettled conditions . the— bringing us relatively unsettled conditions . the isobars conditions. the isobars retethyety— conditions. the isobars relatively-out l conditions. the isobars- relatively-out across relatively spaced out across much— relatively spaced out across mueh oh— relatively spaced out across much of northern ireland, hhgteht— much of northern ireland, england and— much of northern ireland, england and wales and into eoutherh— england and wales and into southern scotland. so winds will remain relatively— southern scotland. so winds will remain relatively light throughout— remain relatively light throughout saturday evening and that throughout saturday evening and thet whtt— throughout saturday evening and that will-allow— throughout saturday evening and that will allow some of that will just allow some of theee— that will just allow some of theee-oh— that will just allow some of these-of-to- these bands of rain to be retethyety— these bands of rain to be relatively slow- these bands of rain to be relatively slow moving . the main relatively slow moving. the main huehhhg— relatively slow moving. the main huehhhg hhto— relatively slow moving. the main one pushing into areas of eoutherh— one pushing into areas of southern england as we head towerte— southern england as we head towards—night. towards later on in the night. hut— towards later on in the night. hut geheretty— towards later on in the night. but generally see a lot of cloud erourt— but generally see a lot of cloud around as we head— but generally see a lot of cloud around as we head throughout and that around as we head throughout and thet-hott— around as we head throughout and that hold temperatures up that will hold temperatures up erourt— that will hold temperatures up erouht 5— that will hold temperatures up erouht h or— that will hold temperatures up around 5 or 6 c— that will hold temperatures up around 5 or 6 c most. but around 5 or 6 c for most. but herhehe— around 5 or 6 c for most. but herhehe-tow- around 5 or 6 c for most. but perhaps low single perhaps down into low single hhguree—eee- perhaps down into low singlei figures—see some figures where we do see some ehetter— figures where we do see some ehetterlruret— figures where we do see some shelter rural spots. so shelter in rural spots. so a otouty— shelter in rural spots. so a otouty etert— shelter in rural spots. so a cloudy start to _ shelter in rural spots. so a cloudy start to sunday morning eho— cloudy start to sunday morning me the— cloudy start to sunday morning and this band— cloudy start to sunday morning and this band of— cloudy start to sunday morning and this band of rain in the eouth— and this band of rain in the eouth he— and this band of rain in the south is going— and this band of rain in the south is going to push its way hhto— south is going to push its way into-south—east.- south is going to push its way into south—east. so worth a into the south—east. so worth a weteh— into the south—east. so worth a weteh-you— into the south—east. so worth a weteh-you ee- into the south—east. so worth a watch you are running watch point if you are running the-marathon.- watch point if you are running the-marathon. it- watch point if you are running the marathon. it could the london marathon. it could be tether— the london marathon. it could be rether wet.— the london marathon. it could be rather wet. _sharp- the london marathon. it could be rather wet. sharp showers rather wet. some sharp showers tewewohhhg— rather wet. some sharp showers developing perhaps developing elsewhere. perhaps the-isolated—

developing elsewhere. perhaps the isolated rumble of the very isolated rumble of hunger— the very isolated rumble of thuhter hh— the very isolated rumble of thunder in mixture of those as wet.— thunder in mixture of those as weth—huehhhg- thunder in mixture of those as well._pushing its. thunder in mixture of those as wellinto pushing its thunder in mixture of those as wellinto north—eastshing its thunder in mixture of those as wellinto north—east scotland and way into north—east scotland and thet— way into north—east scotland and thet eouth— way into north—east scotland and that could fall— way into north—east scotland and that could fall wintry over the hhgher— that could fall wintry over the hhgher grouht— that could fall wintry over the higher ground we some higher ground as we see some totter— higher ground as we see some other eh— higher ground as we see some other ehr thg— higher ground as we see some colder air dig its— higher ground as we see some colder air dig its way in from the— colder air dig its way in from the horth— colder air dig its way in from the north and— colder air dig its way in from the north and really feeling much— the north and really feeling much colder— the north and really feeling much colder compared we much colder compared to where we hete— much colder compared to where we hee—.— much colder compared to where we hewe—. hhoee- much colder compared to where we have_. those showersi have been of late. those showers whtt— have been of late. those showers whth geheretty— have been of late. those showers will generally ease— have been of late. those showers will generally ease off as we heee— will generally ease off as we heet hhto— will generally ease off as we head into the— will generally ease off as we head into the overnight period, eho— head into the overnight period, eet-whtt— head into the overnight period, and .will allow— head into the overnight period, and will allow more in the and that will allow more in the way— and that will allow more in the weyleteer— and that will allow more in the weyleteer-to- and that will allow more in the way clear to develop. way of clear spells to develop. so way of clear spells to develop. so-ehhtther- way of clear spells to develop. so-chillier night- way of clear spells to develop. so chillier night to so a slightly chillier night to omewel— so a slightly chillier night to come-we head— so a slightly chillier night to come we head into the early come as we head into the early houre— come as we head into the early houre oh— come as we head into the early hours of-morning.- come as we head into the early hours of morning. some hours of monday morning. some hetehy— hours of monday morning. some hetehy-here— hours of monday morning. some hetehy-here eho— hours of monday morning. some patchy here and there. but patchy frost here and there. but we-ye—huehhhgl we've got further rain pushing trom— we've got further rain pushing hrom—hhtoi we've got further rain pushing. from—into wales from northern ireland into wales and from northern ireland into wales eet-eoutherh- from northern ireland into wales and-southern areas. from northern ireland into wales and southern areas of and down into southern areas of hhgteht—the- and down into southern areas of england the morning england throughout the morning ehoer— england throughout the morning shower was still— england throughout the morning shower was still streaming their way— shower was still streaming their wey-northern- shower was still streaming their way northern areas of way in across northern areas of soottehtt— way in across northern areas of scotland,-falling- way in across northern areas of scotland, falling asleep and scotland, now falling asleep and hail scotland, now falling asleep and heht to— scotland, now falling asleep and heht to tower— scotland, now falling asleep and hail to lower levels even here eho— hail to lower levels even here eht ome— hail to lower levels even here and some wintry— hail to lower levels even here and some wintry ness pushing hhto— and some wintry ness pushing hhto eeemet— and some wintry ness pushing into eastern coast— and some wintry ness pushing into eastern coast as well. it is into eastern coast as well. it he eeerhet— into eastern coast as well. it is eastern coast— into eastern coast as well. it is eastern coast that will see the— is eastern coast that will see the etrohgeet— is eastern coast that will see the strongest winds throughout wohtey— the strongest winds throughout hohtey where— the strongest winds throughout monday where those isobars are ethghtty— monday where those isobars are slightly squeezed _ monday where those isobars are slightly squeezed but monday where those isobars are slridge squeezed but monday where those isobars are slridge of|ueezed but monday where those isobars are slridge of highed but monday where those isobars are slridge of high pressure but a ridge of high pressure huhtthhg— a ridge of high pressure. huhtthhg—to a ridge of high pressure- building—to help building in for tuesday to help eettte— building in for tuesday to help eettte thhhge— building in for tuesday to help settle things down at least. but there— settle things down at least. but therelthe— settle things down at least. but there-the risk— settle things down at least. but there-the risk of— settle things down at least. but there the risk of further there is the risk of further reh— there is the risk of further reh-heee- there is the risk of further rain head towards rain as we head towards wetheetey— rain as we head towards wednesday day and temperatures are

wednesday day and temperatures ere-.—

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