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received a message like this on their along with a their home screen along with a sound and a vibration for up to ten although my friends ten seconds. although my friends in tell me it in northern ireland tell me it hasn't yet , the hasn't arrived there yet, the pubuc hasn't arrived there yet, the public have been told they swipe away message drivers, though away the message drivers, though , are told to ignore it until it's safe look their it's safe to look to their phone. it's all to try and warn us about a potentially life threatening situations like fires, flooding or terror attacks. the deputy prime minister oliver dowden, says it could save people's lives . it's could save people's lives. it's the case that this has- 22 c it's the case that this has been developed— the case that this has been developed with— the case that this has been developed with the national cyber— developed with the national cyber security— developed with the national cyber security centre, which forms— cyber security centre, which forms pow— cyber security centre, which forms part of— cyber security centre, which forms part of gchq . there will forms part of gchq. there will be e— forms part of gchq. there will be u very— forms part of gchq. there will be a very strict— forms part of gchq. there will be a very strict procedures in wooe— be a very strict procedures in place for— be a very strict procedures in place for us— be a very strict procedures in place for it's authorisation and it place for it's authorisation and w wu— place for it's authorisation and we will only— place for it's authorisation and it will only be— place for it's authorisation and it will only be used in a situation— it will only be used in a situation where your viewers uwes— situation where your viewers uwes — situation where your viewers uwes us— situation where your viewers lives are in danger. i'm determined— lives are in danger. i'm determined that there is a very high— determined that there is a very high ou— determined that there is a very high bow for— determined that there is a very high bar for the— determined that there is a very high bar for the usage of this. we— high bar for the usage of this. the purse— high bar for the usage of this. the prime minister has confirmed owwsu— the prime minister has confirmed british diplomats— the prime minister has confirmed british diplomats and their families— british diplomats and their families have— british diplomats and their families have been evacuated from— families have been evacuated from sueow— families have been evacuated from sudan amid escalating wowewee— from sudan amid escalating wowewee us— from sudan amid escalating violence in the— from sudan amid escalating violence in the country. t5“ violence in the country. rishi suuow— violence in the country. rishi suuow says— violence in the country. rishi sunow soys uw— violence in the country. rishi sunak says uk armed forces

completed a complex mission in the capital khartoum, alongside other allies. hundreds of civilians have died in a violent conflict between the sudanese army and a rival paramilitar group. the foreign secretary , group. the foreign secretary, james cleverly, says the government is continuing thing to ensure the safety of british nationals who remain in sudan. we have taken the decision to temporarily close the embassy and to relocate our embassy staff that gives us a the best opportunity to protect our diplomatic support. back into sudan. diplomatic support. back into suoow. ous— diplomatic support. back into sudan. but we— diplomatic support. back into sudan. but we remain- 2 2 back into sudan. but we remain absolutely commuted— sudan. but we remain absolutely committed to— sudan. but we remain absolutely committed to support british nationals— committed to support british nationals in— committed to support british nationals in sudan. we will do so we— nationals in sudan. we will do so we close— nationals in sudan. we will do so in close coordination with our international— so in close coordination with our international partners. but the our international partners. but we oeso— our international partners. but be best thing— our international partners. but the best thing that we can do to support— the best thing that we can do to subbow bubsb— the best thing that we can do to support british nationals and weed— support british nationals and indeed everyone— support british nationals and indeed everyone in sudan is pushed— indeed everyone in sudan is pushed obe— indeed everyone in sudan is pushed the generals involved in this conflict— pushed the generals involved in this conflict to— pushed the generals involved in this conflict to bring it to an end.— this conflict to bring it to an end. awe— this conflict to bring it to an end. and that— this conflict to bring it to an end. and that will remain the bony— end. and that will remain the bwowby ob— end. and that will remain the bwowby of ou— end. and that will remain the priority of our diplomatic focus in priority of our diplomatic focus be we— priority of our diplomatic focus be the region— priority of our diplomatic focus in the region . _ priority of our diplomatic focus in the region . “j ' in the region. diane abbott's been suspended as a labour mp pending an investigation for

saying jewish people aren't subjected to racism in a comment article for the observer , the article for the observer, the former shadow health secretary said jewish people were subjected to prejudice like irish or red headed people, but they didn't experience racism. jewish labour mp dame margaret hodge says diane abbott's letter was deeply offensive and deeply depressing. ms abbott has since withdrawn the remarks and has apologised a labour party spokesperson condemned the comments as deeply offensive and wrong and the london mayor, sadiq khan , says the comments sadiq khan, says the comments are unacceptable . i don't are unacceptable. i don't understand— are unacceptable. i don't understand how- ?22; l. 22 i don't understand how anybody can are unacceptable. i don't- understand how anybody can think oboe,— understand how anybody can think oboe, bow— understand how anybody can think that, how anybody— understand how anybody can think that, how anybody could say oboe,— that, how anybody could say oboe, bub— that, how anybody could say that, but even— that, how anybody could say that, but even worse, write a better— that, but even worse, write a better to — that, but even worse, write a letter to the _ that, but even worse, write a letter to the observer to bubbsb— letter to the observer to publish that— letter to the observer to publish that it's right. she's obobogbseb— publish that it's right. she's apologised for— publish that it's right. she's apologised for faux pas has done the webb— apologised for faux pas has done be right bbbwg— apologised for faux pas has done the right thing to— apologised for faux pas has done the right thing to suspend her beggars— the right thing to suspend her beggars beber— the right thing to suspend her beggars belief. _ the right thing to suspend her beggars belief . beggars belief. the home secretary says it's crucial the government has the power to deport migrants without being blocked by the european court of human sunday human rights. in the sunday telegraph , suella braverman said telegraph, suella braverman said for britain to be truly

sovereign, it needs to be able to decide who enters our territory. this comes after 11 small boats carrying nearly 500 people crossed the british engush people crossed the british english channel yesterday. liberal democrat leader sir ed davey says the government isn't doing enough to tackle the issue . the backlog of asylum applications— the backlog of asylum applications that have not been processed— applications that have not been processed rs— applications that have not been processed is 160,000. that's the problem — processed is 160,000. that's the problem owe— processed is 160,000. that's the problem and this— processed is 160,000. that's the problem and this does nothing to sowe— problem and this does nothing to sowe rbor. — problem and this does nothing to solve that. liberal— problem and this does nothing to solve that. liberal democrats worr— solve that. liberal democrats wowr rbbs— solve that. liberal democrats want this problem solved, but the government— want this problem solved, but the government is just being in eboos— the government is just being in eboos orb— the government is just being in chaos and can't— the government is just being in chaos and can't even do the bases— chaos and can't even do the bosbes webb— chaos and can't even do the bosbes rbebr .— chaos and can't even do the basics right. sir— chaos and can't even do the basics right. sir mo farah has rbwbsbeb— basics right. sir mo farah has finished ninth— basics right. sir mo farah has finished ninth in— basics right. sir mo farah has finished ninth in his final bourbon— finished ninth in his final london marathon with a time of two london marathon with a time of rwo bours— london marathon with a time of rwo bours owe— london marathon with a time of two hours and ten— london marathon with a time of two hours and ten minutes. the by— two hours and ten minutes. the race was won by kenya's- two hours and ten minutes. the race was won by kenya's kelvin kiptum, who smashed the course record to win it in the second fastest marathon time ever. sifan hassan won the women's race. today is set to be the largest london marathon with at least 45,000 people taking part . around £60 million is hoped to be raised for charity . we turn be raised for charity. we turn you pictures of prince louis

have been published as he celebrates his fifth birthday today. he's been photographed being pushed around in a wheelbarrow by his mother in the windsor estate. louis is expected to accompany his siblings in the procession from westminster abbey during the king's coronation next month . king's coronation next month. this is gb news. more on all of our stories whenever it happens, but for the moment, let's return to nana . to nana. hello good afternoon and welcome to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio . i'm nana akua and digital radio. i'm nana akua and we bye— digital radio. i'm nana akua and we are live and— digital radio. i'm nana akua and we are live and active— 2 2 ?2 i'm nana akua and we are live and active here on eb— we are live and active here on go news.— we are live and active here on gb news. there's— we are live and active here on gb news. there's loads going on rbrouebour— gb news. there's loads going on rbrougbour rbe— gb news. there's loads going on throughout the day. “ “2 throughout the day. joining me bobby— throughout the day. joining me today for— throughout the day. joining me today for the next two hours, me and my panel will be discussing all the hot topics that are hitting the headlines now. hitting the headlines right now. this all about opinion. this show is all about opinion. rr-s— this show is all about opinion. rr-s rubbe— this show is all about opinion. it's mine,-theirs.- this show is all about opinion. it's mine, theirs. and of it's mine, it's theirs. and of course,-yours.- it's mine, it's theirs. and of course, yours. we'll be course, it's yours. we'll be bebobwe—orl course, it's yours. we'll be. debating,_at times debating, discussing at times we will debating, discussing at times we wbu disagree,— debating, discussing at times we will disagree, but— debating, discussing at times we will disagree, but one will will disagree, but no one will be—so—

will disagree, but no one will be—so robbing- will disagree, but no one will be_so joining mei be cancelled. so joining me bobby,— be cancelled. so joining me bobby-broo- be cancelled. so joining me today,-4:00, we- be cancelled. so joining me today, 4:00, we go head today, first at 4:00, we go head today, first at 4:00, we go head on— today, first at 4:00, we go head o. are— today, first at 4:00, we go head o. are joining- today, first at 4:00, we go head to-. and joining me- today, first at 4:00, we go head to . and joining me this to head. and joining me this bour— to head. and joining me this bow-be— to head. and joining me this bour-be eb— to head. and joining me this hour be gb news presenter hour will be gb news presenter owe— hour will be gb news presenterj orb—boubwey and contributor martin daubney and contributor martin daubney one obso— and contributor martin daubney and also former— and contributor martin daubney and also former editor of the bobourbsr— and also former editor of thei labourlist—now labourlist peter edwards. now sombre— labourlist peter edwards. now eommg ub— labourlist peter edwards. now eommg ub om— labourlist peter edwards. now coming up on today's head to bebo— coming up on today's head to beob omby— coming up on today's head to beob omby o— coming up on today's head to head only a few— coming up on today's head to head only a few minutes ago, we all head only a few minutes ago, we ob beare— head only a few minutes ago, we ob beore me— head only a few minutes ago, we all heard the government's emergency— all heard the government'si emeremgey—our emergency alert test for our bbomes— emergency alert test for our phones os— emergency alert test for our phones as millions a phones as millions received a message— phones as millions received a message-merr- phones as millions received a message their mobiles , message from their mobiles, obomg— message from their mobiles, obomg-soumb- message from their mobiles, along - sound and l along with the sound and wbrorbom— along with the sound and vibration—the. along with the sound and. vibration—the ten vibration throughout the ten seconds. and— vibration throughout the ten seconds. and even if they were procee— seconds. and even if they were braced-rubs- seconds. and even if they were placed -this would. placed on silent, this would swu— placed on silent, this would sub-so- placed on silent, this would sub-so m- placed on silent, this would still-so in your. placed on silent, this would. still-so in your view, still happen. so in your view, is of privacy is this an invasion of privacy or is it necessary? labour mp biome— or is it necessary? labour mp diane abbott— or is it necessary? labour mp diane abbott has— or is it necessary? labour mp diane abbott has been- g 27 labour mp diane abbott has been suspended emer— diane abbott has been suspended errer suggesrmg— diane abbott has been suspended after suggesting that jewish beobbe— after suggesting that jewish people go— after suggesting that jewish people go mor— after suggesting that jewish people do not face racism. in a berrer— people do not face racism. in a beer ro— people do not face racism. in a beer ro me— people do not face racism. in a letter to the observer, the bobour— letter to the observer, the bobour we — letter to the observer, the labour mp wrote it is true that many— labour mp wrote it is true that many rybes— labour mp wrote it is true that many rybes or— labour mp wrote it is true that many types of white people with bombs— many types of white people with bombs or— many types of white people with points of difference, such as reebeobs— points of difference, such as redheads, can— points of difference, such as redheads, can experience this prejudice,— redheads, can experience this prejudice-ore- redheads, can experience this prejudice, are not prejudice, but they are not all merr— prejudice, but they are not all rbebr-subieer— prejudice, but they are not all their subject racism . their lives subject to racism. rbe— their lives subject to racism. rbe bobour— their lives subject to racism. the labour mp— their lives subject to racism. the labour mp has since obobogrseb— the labour mp has since apologised for- the labour mp has since apologised for remarks apologised for the remarks on miner.— apologised for the remarks on twitter. discussing that. twitter. we are discussing that. brus— twitter. we are discussing that. rbus bommbe— twitter. we are discussing that. plus dominic raab resign from his bosr— plus dominic raab resign from his bosr os— plus dominic raab resign from his post as deputy prime rrbmsrer— his post as deputy prime minister on— his post as deputy prime minister on friday following bubbymg— minister on friday followingj bubbymg—mow bullying allegations he now roses—ro- bullying allegations he now faces—to sack. bullying allegations he now. faces—to sack him bullying allegations he now- faces_to sack him as faces a campaign to sack him as an faces a campaign to sack him as m we— faces a campaign to sack him as m wrlms— faces a campaign to sack him as an mp his resignation letter, an mp in his resignation letter, bommbe— an mp in his resignation letter, bombme boob— an mp in his resignation letter, dominic raab accused some civil

sewomrs— dominic raab accused some civil sewomrs or— dominic raab accused some civil servants of plotting against mm.— servants of plotting against mm. so— servants of plotting against mm. so wby— servants of plotting against him. so why was he ousted? sboubu— him. so why was he ousted? sboubu be— him. so why was he ousted? should he have— him. so why was he ousted? 2 27 secretary should he have gone? secretary suella braverman _ should he have gone? secretary suella braverman has- 2 27 secretary suella braverman has also suggesree— suella braverman has also suggested that— suella braverman has also suggested that she could ignore the suggested that she could ignore rbe burobeom— suggested that she could ignore the european judges to start beborrorbom— the european judges to start deportation flights to rwanda, and deportation flights to rwanda, mo sbe-s— deportation flights to rwanda, and she's prepared to face down her and she's prepared to face down ber erbrbes — and she's prepared to face down her critics. this— and she's prepared to face down her critics. this week. writing for-rebegrobm— her critics. this week. writing for telegraph, suella said for the telegraph, suella said mor— for the telegraph, suella said rbor we— for the telegraph, suella said that we must— for the telegraph, suella said that we must stop the boats. it is that we must stop the boats. it bs-emress— that we must stop the boats. it is-express wish— that we must stop the boats. it is-express wish of- that we must stop the boats. it is express wish of the is the express wish of the brush— is the express wish of the british people.- is the express wish of the british people. should the british people. so should the gowemmem— british people. so should the government ignore the european course— government ignore the european course-or— government ignore the european courts?-of course,- government ignore the european courts? of course, today courts? and of course, today is— courts? and of course, today br-s-eeorge-s- courts? and of course, today it's-george's day.- courts? and of course, today it's george's day. so i'll it's saint george's day. so i'll be asking— it's saint george's day. so i'll be asking whether you should be broug— be asking whether you should be proud ro— be asking whether you should be proud ro be— be asking whether you should be proud to be english. that's on the proud to be english. that's on rue—merr— proud to be english. that's on the—next hour.- proud to be english. that's on the—next hour. as. the way in the next hour. as reu— the way in the next hour. as ever. tell me— the way in the next hour. as ever. tell me what you think on eweryrbmg— ever. tell me what you think on eweryrbmg were— ever. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. you can gbviews@gbnews.uk can email gbviews@gbnews.uk or rweer— can email gbviews@gbnews.uk or weer-.— can email gbviews@gbnews.uk or rweer-. eb— can email gbviews@gbnews.uk or rweer-. go news.— can email gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet-. gb news. so- can email gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet . gb news. so welcome tweet me at. gb news. so welcome aboard.— tweet me at. gb news. so welcome oboorb. b— tweet me at. gb news. so welcome oboorb. b you— tweet me at. gb news. so welcome aboard. if you just— tweet me at. gb news. so welcome aboard. if you just tuned in and as you— aboard. if you just tuned in and us you beam,— aboard. if you just tuned in and as you heard, of— aboard. if you just tuned in and as you heard, of course, emily omb— as you heard, of course, emily mo r— as you heard, of course, emily mo r o— as you heard, of course, emily mo r o rew— as you heard, of course, emily and i a few moments ago, devices wem— and i a few moments ago, devices wem om— and i a few moments ago, devices wem om wim— and i a few moments ago, devices went off with the _ and i a few moments ago, devices went off with the beep beep, beep — went off with the beep beep, beep or— went off with the beep beep, beep or s— went off with the beep beep, beer or s pm.— went off with the beep beep, beep at 3 pm. we were warned, obbougb— beep at 3 pm. we were warned, obbougb wbor— beep at 3 pm. we were warned, although what better time to do somerbmg— although what better time to do somerbmg bob— although what better time to do something bad if— although what better time to do something bad if it's supposed to something bad if it's supposed ro-sorr— something bad if it's supposed ro-sorr 0g,— something bad if it's supposed ro-sorr or, you— something bad if it's supposed to sort of, you know, to be a sort of, you know, eeoryme— to be a sort of, you know, everyone knows- to be a sort of, you know,- everyone knows-and it's everyone knows about it and it's not everyone knows about it and it's morlreob— everyone knows about it and it's morlreob mug.— everyone knows about it and it's notlreal thing. it— everyone knows about it and it's not real thing. it was, of not a real thing. it was, of

me— not a real thing. it was, of course, the government's emergemey— course, the government's emergency test. now, the emergency alert test. now, the message—me- emergency alert test. now, thei message _the home message appeared on the home screens our phones. may screens of our phones. it may move— screens of our phones. it may have appeared— screens of our phones. it may have appeared not have appeared on yours. not ubess— have appeared on yours. not umbess—oml have appeared on yours. not. unless—off the unless you've switched off the notifications. _ unless you've switched off the notifications. - it's - unless you've switched off the notifications. it's as notifications. i think it's as sbmbbe— notifications. i think it's as simple os— notifications. i think it's as simple as that. _ notifications. i think it's as simple as that. there was a wbrorbom— simple as that. there was a vibration as— simple as that. there was a vibration as well. it lasted for obour— vibration as well. it lasted for about-seconds— vibration as well. it lasted for about-seconds .- vibration as well. it lasted for about seconds . and that was about ten seconds. and that was merry— about ten seconds. and that was brerry mum— about ten seconds. and that was brerry mueb b.— about ten seconds. and that was pretty much it. it— about ten seconds. and that was pretty much it. it was pretty score-e— pretty much it. it was pretty scared. people,— pretty much it. it was pretty scared. people, even the phones omb— scared. people, even the phones mo robbers— scared. people, even the phones and tablets that— scared. people, even the phones and tablets that were on silent weremr— and tablets that were on silent weren't exempt. _ and tablets that were on silent weren't exempt. so speaking to gb weren't exempt. so speaking to go news— weren't exempt. so speaking to go news bogey,— weren't exempt. so speaking to gb news today, the new deputy rrbme— gb news today, the new deputy prime minister,— gb news today, the new deputy prime minister, oliver dowden, sobb— prime minister, oliver dowden, sore mor— prime minister, oliver dowden, sore rbor me— prime minister, oliver dowden, said that the system will be used— said that the system will be used m— said that the system will be used in life— said that the system will be used in life threatening emergencies,- used in life threatening emergencies, as is the case that rms— emergencies, as is the case that rms bos— emergencies, as is the case that rms bos beer— emergencies, as is the case that this has been developed with the borrower— this has been developed with the borrower cyber— this has been developed with the national cyber security centre, wmeb— national cyber security centre, wbbeb forms— national cyber security centre, which forms gchq . 2r“2:2 which forms part of gchq. there wru— which forms part of gchq. there will be— which forms part of gchq. there will be e— which forms part of gchq. there will be a very— which forms part of gchq. there will be a very strict— which forms part of gchq. there will be a very strict procedure in place for its authorised version and it will only be used in a situation where your viewers lives are in danger. i'm determined that there is a very high bar for the usage of this. well, that's great. let's hope mor— well, that's great. let's hope rbor mose— well, that's great. let's hope that those pressing the buttons or whoever— that those pressing the buttons or whatever instigating it are obso— or whatever instigating it are obso om— or whatever instigating it are obso or me— or whatever instigating it are also on the same page. but is rms— also on the same page. but is rms aberr— also on the same page. but is rms oberr om— also on the same page. but is this alert an invasion of our

brwoeye— this alert an invasion of our brwoeye a— this alert an invasion of our brwoeye a bor— this alert an invasion of our privacy? a lot of— this alert an invasion of our privacy? a lot of people think it privacy? a lot of people think br rs— privacy? a lot of people think it is necessary. _ privacy? a lot of people think it is necessary. others will bebewe— it is necessary. others will believe that— it is necessary. others will believe that it's- it is necessary. others will believe that it's actually not mor— believe that it's actually not rbor greor. — believe that it's actually not that great. let's— believe that it's actually not that great. let's get started. welcome— that great. let's get started. welcome again— that great. let's get started. welcome again to my panel, former— welcome again to my panel, former editor— welcome again to my panel, former editor of— welcome again to my panel, former editor of the labourlist, rerer— former editor of the labourlist, peter edwards— former editor of the labourlist, peter edwards and gb news contributor— peter edwards and gb news contributor former brexit contributor and former brexit party— contributor and former brexit berry wer— contributor and former brexit party mep martin daubney. contributor and former brexit party mep martin daubney . right. party mep martin daubney. right. so party mep martin daubney. right. so-ro— party mep martin daubney. right. so-ro srorr— party mep martin daubney. right. so-to start with- party mep martin daubney. right. so to start with you, so i'm going to start with you, eerem— so i'm going to start with you, berm-rm— so i'm going to start with you, peter, i'm suspecting peter, because i'm suspecting are peter, because i'm suspecting you— peter, because i'm suspecting you be— peter, because i'm suspecting are you in support of this alarm sysrem — are you in support of this alarm sysrem e— are you in support of this alarm sysrem e rs— are you in support of this alarm sysrem e rslo— are you in support of this alarm system ? isla good- are you in support of this alarm system ? is a good thing or a system? is it a good thing or a bee— system? is it a good thing or a bug bingo— system? is it a good thing or a bad thing? what's— system? is it a good thing or a bad thing? what's your view ? bad thing? what's your view? i rumb— bad thing? what's your view? i mink-gooe— bad thing? what's your view? i rbmb-goou-r- bad thing? what's your view? i think-good-i don'tl think it's a good thing. i don't feel an invasion of feel it's an invasion of privacy. it will help keep us privacy. it will help to keep us all obviously it all safer. it's obviously it doesn't protect against everything, spreads everything, but it spreads awareness of certain dangers. i think oliver dowden the effectively deputy prime minister, struck a fairly cautious note, use that phrase a high bar for it to be used. so it's not going to be used too often because we don't want to spread anxiety . but bearing often because we don't want to spread anxiety. but bearing in mind that terrorist attacks have often very crowded often been in very crowded places manchester arena in places like manchester arena in recent years, seems recent years, it seems a sensible thing to bring in. it's interesting you bring that up it's interesting you bring that ub—rbor- it's interesting you bring that- ub—rbor bobbemeo, up because when that happened, i bow-r— up because when that happened, i bom-r—wbor- up because when that happened, i eom-r—wbor rbeyl don't think they knew what they were—mor- don't think they knew what they were _that was - don't think they knew what they were—that waslbiti were doing then. that was a bit oflboree— were doing then. that was a bit oflfarce, wasn't— were doing then. that was a bit oflfarce, wasn't it?- were doing then. that was a bit of farce, wasn't it? so i of a farce, wasn't it? so i bow-r— of a farce, wasn't it? so i

bow-r mow— of a farce, wasn't it? so i don't know whether they would bowe — don't know whether they would have even - press- don't know whether they would have even press the have even known to press the worm— have even known to press the alarm-martin - have even known to press the alarm martin what do alarm in time. martin what do you rbmbe — alarm in time. martin what do you think? yeah,— alarm in time. martin what do you think? yeah, it's- alarm in time. martin what do you think? / g alarm in time. martin what do you think? 24:2?“ g “ you think? yeah, it's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist in countries they have in countries where they have hurricanes wildfires, hurricanes as proper wildfires, extreme weather, tsunamis perhaps, you perhaps, but in britain, you barely shake plate barely struggle to shake a plate off a during an earthquake. off a wall during an earthquake. we don't get wildfires. if we get— we don't get wildfires. if we ger-or— we don't get wildfires. if we ger-or rom— we don't get wildfires. if we get-of rain, then- we don't get wildfires. if we get of rain, then we can get a bit of rain, then we can book— get a bit of rain, then we can boob-me— get a bit of rain, then we can look-the window- get a bit of rain, then we can look the window and see it. look out the window and see it. rms— look out the window and see it. rms-meeb— look out the window and see it. rbbs-meeb ro- look out the window and see it. this-need to be- look out the window and see it. this need to be told this notion we need to be told by-srore— this notion we need to be told by-srore mor— this notion we need to be told by state that unless you get by the state that unless you get a by the state that unless you get o-om— by the state that unless you get o-om your— by the state that unless you get o-om your prome- by the state that unless you get a on your phone, you're a beep on your phone, you're going— a beep on your phone, you're gomg ro— a beep on your phone, you're gomg ro sir— a beep on your phone, you're going to sit there— a beep on your phone, you're going to sit there and passively dier_ going to sit there and passively ore—omb— going to sit there and passively die,_and actually,i going to sit there and passively dthink and actually, going to sit there and passively dthink it's and actually, going to sit there and passively dthinkit's extensionually, going to sit there and passively dthink it's extension of ly, i think it's an extension of a robber— i think it's an extension of a rotten mindset,— i think it's an extension of a rotten mindset, a- i think it's an extension of a rotten mindset, a totalitarian mmbser— rotten mindset, a totalitarian mmbserisow— rotten mindset, a totalitarian mindset saw step during mindset we saw step in during boobbowms— mindset we saw step in during lockdowns. the— mindset we saw step in during lockdowns. the state is overreaching,- lockdowns. the state is overreaching, telling what to overreaching, telling us what to do overreaching, telling us what to bo—ore— overreaching, telling us what to do_are becoming. overreaching, telling us what to . do_are becoming more do and people are becoming more boome— do and people are becoming more bovine-accepting— do and people are becoming more bovine accepting that they bovine and accepting that they move—by— bovine and accepting that they move—by me- bovine and accepting that they have - by the state . have to be told by the state wbor— have to be told by the state wborlbo— have to be told by the state wborlbo or— have to be told by the state what. do or they - have to be told by the state what do or they cannot what to do or they cannot rumerbom — what to do or they cannot function. and— what to do or they cannot function. and that's what i rumb— function. and that's what i think-problem- function. and that's what i think problem is. think the real problem is. i'm muree— think the real problem is. i'm muree-wem— think the real problem is. i'm muted _went in- think the real problem is. i'm muted went in and turned muted mine. i went in and turned off muted mine. i went in and turned orb-obes— muted mine. i went in and turned orb-oberrs.-ger- muted mine. i went in and turned off-alerts.-get it.- off my alerts. i didn't get it. amb— off my alerts. i didn't get it. andlurge— off my alerts. i didn't get it. and urge everyone to do the and i urge everyone to do the .roob— and i urge everyone to do the same. .fact that- and i urge everyone to do the same. .fact that i- and i urge everyone to do the same. “ and i urge everyone to do the- same. .fact that i mean, like same. the fact that i mean, like peta suggesting that if there's a incident like, so a big incident like, okay, so wild weather, that is one thing, although they are i don't know whether scare whether they're trying to scare us thinking climate is us into thinking the climate is changing, that. changing, get ready for that. no, think that is a part

no, but i think that is a part of no, but i think that is a part or b. — no, but i think that is a part or is me— no, but i think that is a part of it. this idea— no, but i think that is a part of it. this idea that- of it. this idea that a catastrophe is but a heartbeat away, i think is a crucial part of what the government wants us to believe in far to believe in as far as terrorism goes. as i understand it, terrorism goes. as i understand b, rbey— terrorism goes. as i understand it, they wouldn't— terrorism goes. as i understand it, they wouldn't put— 2 as i understand it, they wouldn't put alert it, they wouldn't put an alert our— it, they wouldn't put an alert our burmg— it, they wouldn't put an alert our burmg o— it, they wouldn't put an alert out during a terrorist incident in case.alerted_ out during a terrorist incident in case alerted the in case it alerted the terrorists— in case it alerted the terrorists they've in case it alerted the- terrorists-they've been terrorists that they've been .umgggg, — terrorists that they've been rumbled, -were. - terrorists that they've been rumbled, were. i think rumbled, as it were. so i think br-s— rumbled, as it were. so i think br-s o— rumbled, as it were. so i think it's a complete— rumbled, as it were. so i think it's a complete and utter overreach. .we - it's a complete and utter overreach. we don't need it's a complete and utter- overreach.-we don't need it. overreach. and we don't need it. it overreach. and we don't need it. rr bos— overreach. and we don't need it. rr boslbboee— overreach. and we don't need it. rr boslbboee m— overreach. and we don't need it. it has-place in a— overreach. and we don't need it. it has place in a free it has no place in a free soebery. — it has no place in a free society. what- it has no place in a free society. �*vw�* g it has no place in a free society. vb“? 3722227 it has no place in a free- society. what about peter? what about, example, we know that about, for example, we know that matt to matt hancock, when it came to the covid he they created the covid thing, he they created a to deliberately scare a system to deliberately scare people we would be people more so that we would be submissive martin's submissive and do. is martin's point quite valid that point actually quite valid that this way of kind of making this is a way of kind of making us submissive as we became us more submissive as we became that during covid. and that way during covid. and i disagree. first of that way during covid. and i disagree-first of all,- 2 “2 ccj “j and i disagree. first of all, matt disagree. so first of all, matt womeoeb— disagree. so first of all, matt womeoeb iusr— disagree. so first of all, matt hancock just very loose and hancock just used very loose and mobbrobrrore— hancock just used very loose and mobbrobrrore-om- inappropriate language on wborsbbb— inappropriate language on - whatsapp_pandemic, whatsapp during the pandemic, wbbeb—roi which wasn't the right thing to do, which wasn't the right thing to bow. — which wasn't the right thing to mono. bur- which wasn't the right thing to do,-no. but the- which wasn't the right thing to do,-no. but the point| do, but no, no. but the point there making is that they there i'm making is that they deliberately alarmist out deliberately used alarmist out ideology in a sense to get people be scared so that we people to be scared so that we participate. yeah, i wouldn't sobb— participate. yeah, i wouldn't sou br— participate. yeah, i wouldn't call it ideology,— participate. yeah, i wouldn't call it ideology, but- 2. yeah, i wouldn't call it ideology, but you're rbgm. — call it ideology, but you're rrgm. worr— call it ideology, but you're right. matt hancock did refer on a whatsapp. look, we're ogreemg. — a whatsapp. look, we're agreeing. matt a whatsapp. look, we're. agreeing. matt-did

a whatsapp. look, we're- agreeing. matt-did refer agreeing. matt hancock did refer on agreeing. matt hancock did refer om—r— agreeing. matt hancock did refer om—r rumb- agreeing. matt hancock did refer on_| think, scaringj on whatsapp to, i think, scaring the on whatsapp to, i think, scaring rue—or- the pants off people or somerbmg— the pants off people or something similar that. something similar like that. creamy— something similar like that.| clearly—remark. something similar like that.| cleray—remark. something similar like that. clera good remark. something similar like that. clera good one remark. something similar like that. clera good one at remark. something similar like that. clera good one at all. mark. something similar like that. clera good one at all. i'drk. not a good one at all. i'd imagine.— not a good one at all. i'd rmogme. rusr— not a good one at all. i'd imagine. just as with fire and comb— imagine. just as with fire and coosr gumb— imagine. just as with fire and coast guard and— imagine. just as with fire and coast guard and terrorism , it's coast guard and terrorism, it's mor— coast guard and terrorism, it's mor gomg— coast guard and terrorism, it's mor gomg ro— coast guard and terrorism, it's mor gomg ro be— coast guard and terrorism, it's not going to be politicians in oberorbom— not going to be politicians in oberorbom or— not going to be politicians in operation or control. it will be queried— operation or control. it will be qualified individuals. 32222 qualified individuals. well, just— qualified individuals. well, iusr bou— qualified individuals. well, iusr bed a— qualified individuals. well, just had a message from somebody, one of friends, who somebody, one of my friends, who said even though her phone said that even though her phone was happened on was ready, nothing happened on her happened on her phone. nothing happened on her phone. nothing happened on her yeah. and think her phone. yeah. and i think guobmeb— her phone. yeah. and i think qualified experts— her phone. yeah. and i think qualified experts is- 24:2?“ and i think qualified experts is what got us mro— qualified experts is what got us bro-m— qualified experts is what got us into-in covm. - qualified experts is what got us into-in covm. i- qualified experts is what got us. into-in covid. i mean, into the mess in covid. i mean, we brusreu— into the mess in covid. i mean, we trusted experts proved be we trusted experts proved to be complete everything complete wrong. all everything fell apart from from epidemiology to the vaccines and all the rest of it. and so the idea all the rest of it. and so the bee mor— all the rest of it. and so the idea that we— all the rest of it. and so the idea that we need- all the rest of it. and so the idea that we need to- 2252 2 and so the idea that we need to be spoon reb— idea that we need to be spoon bee our— idea that we need to be spoon fed our survival— idea that we need to be spoon fed our survival . _ idea that we need to be spoon fed our survival . �*“ idea that we need to be spoon fed our survival . �*" fed our survival. so if you umb— fed our survival. so if you don't alert, if you don't change this, then like i say, you're going to sit there like a frog in a pan and boil to death. it won't happen. what about okay, so we are getting— won't happen. what about okay, so we are getting this- ri2r“ g “ what about okay, so we are getting this sort of mueeorb— so we are getting this sort of nuclear threat— so we are getting this sort of nuclear threat as— so we are getting this sort of nuclear threat as well in a sense, aren't we- nuclear threat as well in a sense, aren't we really, that we've-vladimir- sense, aren't we really, that- we've-vladimir-making we've had vladimir putin making news— we've had vladimir putin making rbreors—eoumry- threats towards this country wbrb — threats towards this country wbrb -ro — threats towards this country with _to nuclear- threats towards this country with to nuclear strikes threats towards this country withof to nuclear strikes threats towards this country withof course, nuclear strikes threats towards this country withof course, we lear strikes threats towards this country withof course, we lear sthat; threats towards this country withof course, we lear sthat he's and of course, we know that he's obboremby— and of course, we know that he's apparently building two or apparently building satan two or wborewer— whatever he's calling it. is

rms— whatever he's calling it. is rms-bo— whatever he's calling it. is rms-bo you— whatever he's calling it. is this do you think that this not do you think that perhaps— this not do you think that perhaps there's they're worried obour— perhaps there's they're worried obour more — perhaps there's they're worried about that? well,— perhaps there's they're worried about that? 32222 �*" 2 about that? well, if the four minute warning could minute warning came, i could think better. i could minute warning came, i could think better. icould think think of better. i could think of think of better. i could think or for— think of better. i could think or for moe— think of better. i could think of far more fun— think of better. i could think of far more fun things- i could think of far more fun things to do mom— of far more fun things to do than-around— of far more fun things to do than around worrying about than sit around worrying about my-oberrs. — than sit around worrying about my-oberrs. r- than sit around worrying about my-alerts. i think- than sit around worrying about my-alerts. i think in. than sit around worrying about. my-alerts. i think in the my phone alerts. i think in the case of a nuclear war would be oven case of a nuclear war would be over. so quick. and what difference alert make? difference would an alert make? well, know. i mean, is well, i don't know. i mean, is mere— well, i don't know. i mean, is mere om— well, i don't know. i mean, is there an argument for that, eerem— there an argument for that, egg, or— there an argument for that, peter, at all— there an argument for that, peter, at all with regard to mueeorb— peter, at all with regard to nuclear attacks— peter, at all with regard to nuclear attacks and like nuclear attacks and things like more —wre| that? well, thankfully, we're not realms of a nuclear not in the realms of a nuclear war and i'm not sure if that was a remark in jest, but you might let finish the answer. tell let me finish the answer. tell me wrong. right. we're not me i'm wrong. right. we're not on of nuclear war and on the brink of nuclear war and i'm sure your viewers realise we're the brink of we're not on the brink of nuclear war. nuclear war? let's not talk about nuclear war. why i've not talk about nuclear war. why pve the not talk about nuclear war. why i've the question. you're i've asked the question. you're not i've asked the question. you're mob-were— i've asked the question. you're mob-were mor- i've asked the question. you're not-we're not in- i've asked the question. you're not we're not in that not on that. we're not in that situation. i'm situation. yeah but what i'm saying is, you think that saying is, do you think that they thinking and they are thinking ahead and getting us prepared for potentially any form war? i potentially any form of war? i mean, there to be war mean, look, there used to be war so br-s— mean, look, there used to be war sirens, so it's not— mean, look, there used to be war sirens, so it's not funny. this soure— sirens, so it's not funny. this eoube be— sirens, so it's not funny. this eoube be me— sirens, so it's not funny. this could be the modern day version of could be the modern day version or-sbrem— could be the modern day version or-sbrem bo— could be the modern day version of-siren. do-not- could be the modern day version of siren. do not think of a war siren. do you not think mor— of a war siren. do you not think rbor-rbey— of a war siren. do you not think rbor-rbey oe— of a war siren. do you not think that they are thinking that there's they are thinking obour—

that there's they are thinking obour-os— that there's they are thinking about-as well?- that there's they are thinking about-as well? i- that there's they are thinking about as well? i think about that as well? i think gor— about that as well? i think gor ro— about that as well? i think we've got to be- about that as well? i think we've got to be sober about rbese— we've got to be sober about rbese mugs.— we've got to be sober about these things. we've got to be sober about- these things. _know, britain these things. you know, britain hasn't its own hasn't had a war on its own borders for several decades since war but i think since world war ii. but i think there a place clearly it's there is a place clearly it's not be. it's very less not going to be. it's very less likely to be for extreme weather events the like. in events or the like. you get in america where there seem to be frequent tornadoes. so think frequent tornadoes. so i think that usage going to be that the usage is going to be a bit different, and i'd imagine it's be refined over it's going to be refined over time. but let give you time. but let me give you a couple quick examples. my couple of quick examples. my first newspaper was first newspaper job was in cumbria. 20 years, cumbria. in the last 20 years, there's several extremely there's been several extremely dangerous cumbria and dangerous floods in cumbria and terribly a mass shooting as well. think that's why well. so i think that's why i treat these things fairly treat these things in a fairly sober manner. anything that helps stay safe, i think is helps us stay safe, i think is a good thing. but then when i membomeb— good thing. but then when i mentioned-said- good thing. but then when i. mentioned-said we're mentioned war, you said we're mor— mentioned war, you said we're mob-bumb— mentioned war, you said we're mob-bum or— mentioned war, you said we're not-brink of-andl not on the brink of that and mor— not on the brink of that and mm woubb— not on the brink of that and that would something that that would be something that woubb— that would be something that woubb m— that would be something that woubb m o— that would be something that would in a sense,— that would be something that would in a sense, keep us safe. vou— would in a sense, keep us safe. you-rumb— would in a sense, keep us safe. you-think that's— would in a sense, keep us safe. you-think that's a- you don't think that's a possibility? am i being extremist? no, think it's extremist? no, i just think it's an extremist? no, i just think it's om-or— extremist? no, i just think it's om-or me— extremist? no, i just think it's an-of the fact- extremist? no, i just think it's an-of the fact that. extremist? no, i just think it's. an-of the fact that we an extension of the fact that we seem on our phones for seem to rely on our phones for eweryrbmg. — seem to rely on our phones for eweryrbmg. we— seem to rely on our phones for everything. we can't do anything wbrbour— everything. we can't do anything wbrbour our— everything. we can't do anything without our phones. we by without our phones. we got by for-wbrbour- without our phones. we got by for-without this. - for millennia without this. and i is for millennia without this. and r—bs iusr— for millennia without this. and r—bs iusr more- for millennia without this. and i is just more scare i do think it is just more scare omb— i do think it is just more scare me smock— i do think it is just more scare

and shock tactics.— and shock tactics. the government - and shock tactics. the- government-keep and shock tactics. the- government - keep us and shock tactics. the- government-keep us in and shock tactics. the— government-keep us in a government wants to keep us in a sure— government wants to keep us in a srorelreor— government wants to keep us in a state .fear because— government wants to keep us in a state fear because when we're state of fear because when we're scoreb— state of fear because when we're scared, we're easy— state of fear because when we're scared, we're easy control. scared, we're easy to control. amb— scared, we're easy to control. ame—easy- scared, we're easy to control. ame—easy ro- scared, we're easy to control. i and—easy to control, and when we're easy to control, mem— and when we're easy to control, men we— and when we're easy to control, men we iusr— and when we're easy to control, then we just-and- and when we're easy to control, then we just and i'm then we just obey. and i'm surprised— then we just obey. and i'm surprised that— then we just obey. and i'm surprised that someone from the left surprised that someone from the rem-so,— surprised that someone from the berrlsolbme— surprised that someone from the left.so,.kind of— left is so, so kind of subservient- left is so, so kind of subservient to a tory policy to score-beek— subservient to a tory policy to scare - heck - us. - subservient to a tory policy to scare heck us. why scare the heck out of us. why bow-r— scare the heck out of us. why eom-ribusb— scare the heck out of us. why don't-push back- scare the heck out of us. why don't push back against don't we push back against totalitarian— totalitarian control? that's wbor—mess totalitarian control? that's- what_mess during what got us into the mess during boebbowm— what got us into the mess during boebbowm-obb— what got us into the mess during lockdown-all we- what got us into the mess during lockdown all we all we lockdown when we all we all we all lockdown when we all we all we ob wre— lockdown when we all we all we all kind.lamely_ lockdown when we all we all we all kind lamely just followed all kind of lamely just followed orersb — all kind of lamely just followed orersb -ber— all kind of lamely just followed orders. _let-ask- all kind of lamely just followed orders. let ask that orders. well, let me ask that guesrbom— orders. well, let me ask that guesrbom — orders. well, let me ask that guesrrom so— orders. well, let me ask that question. so first- orders. well, let me ask that question. �*" question. so first of all, i think party politics doesn't have everything. you have to touch everything. you know, a tory know, you called it a tory policy, i'd be very policy, but i'd be very surprised if an incoming labour government but government scrapped it. but but we'll what they we'll wait and see what they say. i really don't believe say. but i really don't believe party politics has to touch everything. i think kind everything. and i think the kind of might a bit of viewers might get a bit frustrated that did. but i frustrated if that did. but i also i don't think it's about control . what is wrong with control. what is wrong with trying innovations that might keep us safer? well, what is wrong with them? indeed, boremrobby— wrong with them? indeed, potentially it— wrong with them? indeed, potentially it may- 2 7 indeed, potentially it may keep us sorre— potentially it may keep us safer. maybe— potentially it may keep us safer. maybe it— potentially it may keep us safer. maybe it won't. maybe br-s— safer. maybe it won't. maybe br-s o— safer. maybe it won't. maybe br-s o wby— safer. maybe it won't. maybe br-s o woy os— safer. maybe it won't. maybe is o way as o— safer. maybe it won't. maybe it's a way as a land grab on our mobbe— it's a way as a land grab on our mobrbe bbomes— it's a way as a land grab on our mobile phones and— it's a way as a land grab on our mobile phones and a whole sort of. mobile phones and a whole sort or. bur— mobile phones and a whole sort of. but apparently— mobile phones and a whole sort of. but apparently there's no boro— of. but apparently there's no bore-wrun- of. but apparently there's no data _within it.- of. but apparently there's no data _within it. it. data collection within it. it iusr—

data collection within it. it iusr-srrobgbr- data collection within it. it just-straight to- data collection within it. it just straight to your just comes straight to your more — just comes straight to your more. us— just comes straight to your phone. it's done other phone. it's done in other eoumrbers— phone. it's done in other countries as— phone. it's done in other countries as well. but what's your— countries as well. but what's your vaiews@gbnews.uk or your views? vaiews@gbnews.uk or web— your views? vaiews@gbnews.uk or weer—come- your views? vaiews@gbnews.uk or rweer—come oml tweet me at gb news. come on, beep— tweet me at gb news. come on, beep-brougbrs— tweet me at gb news. come on, keep thoughts coming. keep those thoughts coming. i'll read— keep those thoughts coming. i'll read _throughoutl read your messages throughout the read your messages throughout rbe—oml read your messages throughout rbe—om roi the show, but let's move on to mm— the show, but let's move on to rms-srory— the show, but let's move on to rbbs-srory mor— the show, but let's move on to this story that really this next story that really eougbr— this next story that really eougbr-eye- this next story that really caught eye and for all the caught my eye and for all the wrong— caught my eye and for all the wrong reasons.— caught my eye and for all the wrong reasons. abbott , wrong reasons. diane abbott, sbe-s— wrong reasons. diane abbott, she's-suspended- wrong reasons. diane abbott, she's suspended as a labour she's been suspended as a labour mp she's been suspended as a labour we omer— she's been suspended as a labour mp after suggesting that jewish beobbe— mp after suggesting that jewish people experience racism people do not experience racism .-berrer— people do not experience racism .-berrer bor— people do not experience racism .-letter for the - . now in a letter for the observer,— . now in a letter for the observer, labour . now in a letter for the observer,-labour it observer, the labour mp wrote it is me— observer, the labour mp wrote it is me murm— observer, the labour mp wrote it is the truth. it— observer, the labour mp wrote it is the truth. it is— observer, the labour mp wrote it is the truth. it is true that many— is the truth. it is true that many types— is the truth. it is true that many types or— is the truth. it is true that many types of people of white beobbe— many types of people of white people wbrb— many types of people of white people with points of difference, - people with points of difference, such as redheads , difference, such as redheads,| sow—bretuoree, can experience this prejudice, bur— can experience this prejudice, bur-ore— can experience this prejudice, bur-ore mor— can experience this prejudice, but-are not all- can experience this prejudice, but are not all their but they are not all their toes — but they are not all their lives. subject— but they are not all their lives. subject to racism . she lives. subject to racism. she bos— lives. subject to racism. she bos smee— lives. subject to racism. she has since disappointed , has since disappointed, disassociated herself from the remast— disassociated herself from the reaks ama— disassociated herself from the remarks and the— disassociated herself from the remarks and the tweet abobogrsmg— remarks and the tweet apologising for her comments. amb— apologising for her comments. ame m— apologising for her comments. and in response— apologising for her comments. and in response to the diane abbott— and in response to the diane abbott comments , labour abbott comments, labour spokesperson _ abbott comments, labour spokesperson said that the labour— spokesperson said that the babour parry— spokesperson said that the labour party completely condemns rbese— labour party completely condemns these comments,— labour party completely condemns these comments, which are deeply omemswe— these comments, which are deeply omemswe ama— these comments, which are deeply offensive and wrong— these comments, which are deeply offensive and wrong . so still, offensive and wrong. so still, wim— offensive and wrong. so still, wit me— offensive and wrong. so still, wit me rs— offensive and wrong. so still, with me is former editor of the babourbsw— with me is former editor of the labourlist, peter— with me is former editor of the labourlist, peter edwards and gb wews— labourlist, peter edwards and gb news contributor— labourlist, peter edwards and gb news contributor and former break— news contributor and former brekbr parry— news contributor and former brexit party mep martin daubney . um— brexit party mep martin daubney . um warm— brexit party mep martin daubney . um martin diaz— brexit party mep martin daubney . um martin diaz ayub is a

arsgusrmg— . um martin diaz ayub is a disgusting racist and should be sacked— disgusting racist and should be sacked today— disgusting racist and should be sacked roaay . — disgusting racist and should be sacked today . ?2 sacked today. the fact of the matter is removing the whip is not enough. no, she constantly uses racism as a— not enough. no, she constantly uses racism as a way- 22 no, she constantly uses racism as a way of dividing brbram— uses racism as a way of dividing brbram .— uses racism as a way of dividing brbram . ama— uses racism as a way of dividing britain . and here's— uses racism as a way of dividing britain . and here's the here's britain. and here's the here's me— britain. and here's the here's the rear— britain. and here's the here's the real point.— britain. and here's the here's the real point. why is it that me— the real point. why is it that me uberak— the real point. why is it that the liberal left— the real point. why is it that the liberal left the labour party— the liberal left the labour party gag,— the liberal left the labour party ticket, the hard left? bomb— party ticket, the hard left? bom-r rbmk— party ticket, the hard left? don't think anti—semitism is reab— don't think anti—semitism is reak — don't think anti—semitism is real racism. they— don't think anti—semitism is real racism. they just don't. they— real racism. they just don't. rbey eem— real racism. they just don't. rbey ro— real racism. they just don't. they seem to have this thing mar— they seem to have this thing that because— they seem to have this thing that because they're white, beause— that because they're white, because they're _ that because they're white, because they're privileged, abbougb— because they're privileged, although they— because they're privileged, although they weren't very brrwbegea— although they weren't very privileged during holocaust, although they weren't very prdoesn't during holocaust, although they weren't very prdoesn't countg holocaust, although they weren't very prdoesn't count this holocaust, although they weren't very prdoesn't count this free ocaust, it doesn't count this free rakesrme — it doesn't count this free palestine .— it doesn't count this free palestine . jewish it doesn't count this free palestine .jewish people are palestine. jewish people are wbybbegeb— palestine. jewish people are privileged. nonsense this is a stam— privileged. nonsense this is a star om— privileged. nonsense this is a star or me— privileged. nonsense this is a stain on the labour party and mere— stain on the labour party and were are— stain on the labour party and there are only— stain on the labour party and there are only two political babes— there are only two political barrres eer— there are only two political parties ever to— there are only two political parties ever to have been investigated— parties ever to have been investigated for racism in the uk investigated for racism in the bk .— investigated for racism in the bk . rr-s— investigated for racism in the bk . us me— investigated for racism in the uk . it's the labour party and uk. it's the labour party and me— uk. it's the labour party and the national— uk. it's the labour party and the national front. the labour party— the national front. the labour baby baby— the national front. the labour baby baby are— the national front. the labour party today are on the same page as me— party today are on the same page as the national— party today are on the same page as the national front. diane abbott,— as the national front. diane abborr, m— as the national front. diane abbott, in her— as the national front. diane abbott, in her defence would say mar— abbott, in her defence would say mar-mor— abbott, in her defence would say mar-mob a— abbott, in her defence would say that-not a racist- abbott, in her defence would say that not a racist and that she is not a racist and mar— that she is not a racist and bar sbe— that she is not a racist and that she is. _ that she is not a racist and that she is. she.- that she is not a racist and that she is. she clearly that she is. she. she clearly is. that she is. she. she clearly is — that she is. she. she clearly is me— that she is. she. she clearly is me rs— that she is. she. she clearly is. this is what— that she is. she. she clearly is. this is what she- that she is. she. she clearly is. this is what she would say. she's not here to defend herself. so, you know, i'm trying to look on her, trying to look on. but her comments are self—evident. _ look on. but her comments are self—evident. even— look on. but her comments are self—evident. even she- 2“ but her comments are self—evident. even she knows. i mean, she's accepted that

mean, even she's accepted that they wrong. if anybody else they were wrong. if anybody else had they were wrong. if anybody else baa bowe— they were wrong. if anybody else baa bome mar— they were wrong. if anybody else had done that or— 2222 2 if anybody else had done that or anybody 2222; 2 if anybody else had done that or anybody in had done that or if anybody in the conservative— had done that or if anybody in the conservative had done the conservative party had done amyrbmg— the conservative party had done anything—labour- anything similar, the labour party— anything similar, the labour parry-om— anything similar, the labour party-on their- anything similar, the labour party on their high party would be on their high bose— party would be on their high borse wow— party would be on their high horse. now demanding blood before—our.- horse. now demanding blood before-out. why. before the day is out. why should— before the day is out. why should _abbott- before the day is out. why should abbott get away should diane abbott get away with— should diane abbott get away with - because - should diane abbott get away with because she's with it.7 well, because she's black.— with it.7 well, because she's black-think- with it.7 well, because she's black.-think dianel black. i don't think diane abbott going to away with abbott is going to get away with it. and think the labour party it. and i think the labour party have— it. and i think the labour party have come down— it. and i think the labour party have come down on— c and i think the labour party have come down on her like a tonne— have come down on her like a tonne of— have come down on her like a tonne of bricks.— have come down on her like a tonne of bricks. but my thing is the-that— tonne of bricks. but my thing is the-that she— tonne of bricks. but my thing is the that she thought that the fact that she thought that it the fact that she thought that n-to — the fact that she thought that it-to actually- the fact that she thought that it to actually write it was okay to actually write this— it was okay to actually write this-this— it was okay to actually write this-misle- it was okay to actually write this this a considered this down. this is a considered thing— this down. this is a considered thing-was— this down. this is a considered thing was thought out and thing that was thought out and i just find— thing that was thought out and i just ttnt tt— thing that was thought out and i just find it absolutely abhorrent— just find it absolutely abhorrent think, abhorrent what do you think, tetett — abhorrent what do you think, tetett _tet- abhorrent what do you think,i peter? _her comments abhorrent what do you think,- peter.7 _her comments were peter? i think her comments were offensive and completely wrong. and want to say that and i kind of want to say that explicitly. i'm also baffled by them. dame margaret them. i mean, dame margaret hodge, mp, she hodge, a veteran mp, said she was offensive, but was found them offensive, but also depressing and also found them depressing and i can it's embarrassing. i can understand that because how could something could someone publish something like agree like this? but i don't agree entirely what martin said entirely with what martin said because rightly pointed because as you rightly pointed out, has acted out, the labour party has acted very when it's not very quickly when it's not always that recent always done. that in recent years, quickly to years, acted very quickly to suspend abbott, they'll suspend diane abbott, they'll now disciplinary process. now be a disciplinary process. yes. think the party yes. so i think the labour party is political parties, is like all political parties, ever vigilant about racism.

diane, really. hang on. wait, t-m. — diane, really. hang on. wait, t-m. they— diane, really. hang on. wait, i'm. they suspended her immediately. the reason they've suspended— immediately. the reason they've suspended tet— : the reason they've suspended her immediately is because— suspended her immediately is tesse ttey— suspended her immediately is because they were so slow and tteggttg— because they were so slow and tteggttg ttet— because they were so slow and dragging their feet on jeremy sette— dragging their feet on jeremy settyt. tet-s— dragging their feet on jeremy corbyn. let's think about this. if corbyn. let's think about this. tt tetett— corbyn. let's think about this. if labour won _ corbyn. let's think about this. if labour won the— corbyn. let's think about this. if labour won the election in zet— if labour won the election in toe ent— if labour won the election in 2019 and the— if labour won the election in 2019 and the prime minister and the tome— 2019 and the prime minister and the home secretary are anti—semites- the home secretary are anti—semites who've lost the wp — anti—semites who've lost the wp tett — anti—semites who've lost the wttt, tett et— anti—semites who've lost the whip, both of them, they'd have teet— whip, both of them, they'd have teen tte— whip, both of them, they'd have been the number— whip, both of them, they'd have been the number one and number two-ttttett.— been the number one and number two-britain. that- been the number one and number two-britain. that is- two people in britain. that is a state— two people in britain. that is a state et— two people in britain. that is a state tn the— two people in britain. that is a stain on the labour party and test— stain on the labour party and unless-labour— stain on the labour party and unless labour party kick unless the labour party kick ttese— unless the labour party kick these—et- unless the labour party kicki ttese—et-tetty these people out of the party ent— these people out of the party and esttetty— these people out of the party and actually with and actually deal with anti—semitism, why should a sttgte— anti—semitism, why should a sttgte jewish— anti—semitism, why should a single jewish person vote for the— single jewish person vote for the tetett— single jewish person vote for the labour party? answer me that? — the labour party? answer me that? it— the labour party? answer me that? .i wouldn't- the labour party? answer me that? : " c :f that? so i wouldn't describe diane a racist. diane abbott as a racist. i think she said wrong think what she said was wrong and really foolish and really unpleasant. she apologised unpleasant. and she apologised within hours. so i'm not at all for one minute defending what she said. she has suffered racism throughout her working life, so what's that got to do with it ? no, i life, so what's that got to do with it? no, i just life, so what's that got to do with it ? no, i just want to have with it? no, i just want to have a she should know better than that than yes, she should know better. and better. absolutely. yeah and i think are so think that's why we are so depressed this. but i feel at depressed by this. but i feel at a time there is a kind of

a time when there is a kind of degree of unanimity between me and and across politics that and you and across politics that these completely these comments are completely wrong. kind wrong. martin's being very kind of inflammatory, is not of inflammatory, which is not necessarily, agree, what necessarily, we all agree, what diane abbott said was completely wrong, martin's wrong, but i think what martin's referring is the actual sort referring to is the actual sort of ethos within the labour party where is it enabled? isn't it funny? isn't it funny as well where is it enabled? isn't it funnwhen;n't it funny as well where is it enabled? isn't it funnwhen yout funny as well where is it enabled? isn't it funnwhen you criticise as well where is it enabled? isn't it funnwhen you criticise blatant how when you criticise blatant racism , i'm the one who's being racism, i'm the one who's being inflammatory she's the one who inflammatory. she's the one who compared ginger to the compared being ginger to the holocaust and i'm being inflammatory. i.e. let's get a grip. this is a serious issue and. and hats off to the labour party— and. and hats off to the labour petty tave— and. and hats off to the labour petty teve teet— e�*t: and hats off to the labour party have dealt with it tutsttt— party have dealt with it qttstty, tut— party have dealt with it quickly, but they've got to kick her quickly, but they've got to kick tet eut— quickly, but they've got to kick her out et— quickly, but they've got to kick her out of the— quickly, but they've got to kick her out of the party if they're serious about— her out of the party if they're serious about if— her out of the party if they're serious about if they're serious etett— serious about if they're serious etett teettte— serious about if they're serious about dealing with this anti—semitism in their party, ttey-ve — anti—semitism in their party, ttey-ve _tett- anti—semitism in their party,| they've - keir starmer anti—semitism in their party,- they've-keir starmer has they've got to. keir starmer has now got to show his mettle. well, i mean, and on that point, i well, i mean, and on that point, . meet— well, i mean, and on that point, . meetlttetgt— well, i mean, and on that point, i mean, though there are i mean, as though there are ttttetett— i mean, as though there are different-you- i mean, as though there are different you could different layers you could be tastst— different layers you could be more racist racist. more racist or less racist. testsm — more racist or less racist. testsm ts— more racist or less racist. racism is racist. so you can't be racism is racist. so you can't te-et— racism is racist. so you can't te-et tess— racism is racist. so you can't be-or less-either. racism is racist. so you can'ti be-or less-either are be more or less you either are or be more or less you either are et-etet-t. — be more or less you either are et-etet-t. tott— be more or less you either are or aren't. now, listen, keep or you aren't. now, listen, keep your— or you aren't. now, listen, keep your thoughts— or you aren't. now, listen, keep your thoughts coming. we're eetttet— your thoughts coming. we're earlier discussing the government's new emergency stet— government's new emergency ates-test.— government's new emergency alert-test. let's- government's new emergency alert. test. let's see alert. alert test. let's see

what— alert. alert test. let's see that yet-ve— alert. alert test. let's see what you've saying. ian what you've been saying. ian sets— what you've been saying. ian sets-tent- what you've been saying. ian says didn't happen for says the alert didn't happen for. —seyttg me. yeah, some people are saying that— me. yeah, some people are saying ttet-tte— me. yeah, some people are saying that-the alarm - me. yeah, some people are saying that-the alarm came- me. yeah, some people are saying that the alarm came in that as well. the alarm came in tent— that as well. the alarm came in testy-reest— that as well. the alarm came in handy roast potatoes were handy as my roast potatoes were ttmtte. — handy as my roast potatoes were ttmtte. .tttte— handy as my roast potatoes were burning-ellie says.- handy as my roast potatoes were burning. ellie says. oh mine burning. oh, ellie says. oh mine wett— burning. oh, ellie says. oh mine went ott— burning. oh, ellie says. oh mine went off three— burning. oh, ellie says. oh mine went off three minutes after eveenen— went off three minutes after everyone else's_ went off three minutes after everyone else's .— went off three minutes after everyone else's . so i'm thinking everyone else's. so i'm thinking teveutttsn— everyone else's. so i'm thinking favouritism. see,— everyone else's. so i'm thinking favouritism. see, they can't get— favouritism. see, they can't even get that— favouritism. see, they can't even get that right. so a&e says the even get that right. so a&e says tne-test— even get that right. so a&e says the-test didn't— even get that right. so a&e says the test didn't work the alarm test didn't work for us. the alarm test didn't work for ts—ny- the alarm test didn't work for ts—ny family- the alarm test didn't work fori us-_my family got us. only one of my family got tne— us. only one of my family got tne tennt— us. only one of my family got the alarm,-says. - us. only one of my family got the alarm, says. well the alarm, russell says. well over-minutes— the alarm, russell says. well over minutes later and not over ten minutes later and not a tntng. — over ten minutes later and not a tntng. .— over ten minutes later and not a tntng. ttnetgnt— over ten minutes later and not a thing. i thought was a bit thing. i thought it was a bit eats,— thing. i thought it was a bit early, actually,— thing. i thought it was a bit early, actually, because i was teettng— early, actually, because i was teettng en— early, actually, because i was looking on _the- early, actually, because i was looking on the thing looking on my on the thing ttene— looking on my on the thing tneneltt— looking on my on the thing tneteltt se— looking on my on the thing there, it so much for the there, but it so much for the etern— there, but it so much for the stern test— there, but it so much for the alarm test and— there, but it so much for the alarm test and loads of people stytne— alarm test and loads of people sent-sorts— alarm test and loads of people saying sorts things about saying all sorts of things about ttet— saying all sorts of things about that-thoughts- saying all sorts of things about that. thoughts coming. that. keep your thoughts coming. thn— that. keep your thoughts coming. tttn regents— that. keep your thoughts coming. with regards to— that. keep your thoughts coming. with regards to diane abbott as net—sene- with regards to diane abbott as nett—sene et- with regards to diane abbott as well, some of those. well, we'll read some of those. vet-te— well, we'll read some of those. vote-tn— well, we'll read some of those. you're-i'm nana- well, we'll read some of those. you're i'm nana akua. you're with me. i'm nana akua. tnts—en— you're with me. i'm nana akua. tnts—en tv- you're with me. i'm nana akua. this—on tv online. you're with me. i'm nana akua.. this—on tv online and this is gb news on tv online and on this is gb news on tv online and en-ntte. — this is gb news on tv online and en-ntte. _t- on digital radio. coming up, i'll on digital radio. coming up, tttlesttne— on digital radio. coming up, i'll asking whether dominic i'll be asking whether dominic teet— i'll be asking whether dominic teat wes— i'll be asking whether dominic raab was ousted— i'll be asking whether dominic raab was ousted as deputy prime ntntsten— raab was ousted as deputy prime ntntsten-ne— raab was ousted as deputy prime minister. me thoughts. minister. send me your thoughts. ten-t— minister. send me your thoughts. ten-tlenynnete— minister. send me your thoughts. ten-tlenynnete .—

news radio. c: news radio. hello. good afternoon. it'sjust news radio. c: " it's just coming up afternoon. it's just coming up to ze— afternoon. it's just coming up to 26 minutes— afternoon. it's just coming up to 26 minutes after- " it's just coming up to 26 minutes after 3:00. "

to 26 minutes after 3:00. this is to 26 minutes after 3:00. this ts st— to 26 minutes after 3:00. this ts st tens— to 26 minutes after 3:00. this ts st tens sn— to 26 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news on tv— to 26 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news on tv online, and on digital radio. now we'll talk about dominic raab because he resigned as the deputy prime minister on friday following an official inquiry that found that he bullied civil servants by acting in an intimidating and aggressive manner . acting in an intimidating and aggressive manner. in his resignation letter, he commented on the low threshold for bullying , on the low threshold for bullying, and the former on the low threshold for bullying , and the former deputy bullying, and the former deputy prime minister launched an attack on activists, civil servants who he claimed were trying to block the work of government. so raab was ousted from the job. do you think he was ousted? what do you think? with now to discuss that, with me now to discuss that, former the labourlist, former editor of the labourlist, peter edwards and news peter edwards and gb news contributor party mep contributor and brexit party mep martin peter martin daubney right. peter dominic raab he he's obviously gone now from his post, although he will be on the backbenches. what's your view on what happened to him? well, it's been a happened to him? well, it's been ttenttte— happened to him? well, it's been a terrible week— happened to him? well, it's been a terrible week for— : " 7 well, it's been a terrible week for dominic raab and ne— a terrible week for dominic raab and ne ees— a terrible week for dominic raab and he seems to— a terrible week for dominic raab and he seems to have done all he can _worse and really. can to make it worse and really wen— can to make it worse and really new et— can to make it worse and really wary st ttnt— can to make it worse and really wary st ttnt et— can to make it worse and really wary of kind of anti civil sentse— wary of kind of anti civil service rhetoric being lumped in by service rhetoric being lumped in ty tentnts— service rhetoric being lumped in by dominic raab— service rhetoric being lumped in by dominic raab in his

stttenens.— by dominic raab in his supporters. there was an independent— supporters. there was an independent barrister , qualified independent barrister, qualified tes— independent barrister, qualified testn nnt— independent barrister, qualified person who upheld two of the tttegttttns— person who upheld two of the allegations and— person who upheld two of the allegations and i— person who upheld two of the allegations and i think dismissed— allegations and i think dismissed around 6 or 7 others, tut— dismissed around 6 or 7 others, tut ttnett— dismissed around 6 or 7 others, tut ttnett .— dismissed around 6 or 7 others, ttt ttnett , ts— dismissed around 6 or 7 others, but upheld , to use— dismissed around 6 or 7 others, but upheld , to use a phrase, and but upheld, to use a phrase, and tttse— but upheld, to use a phrase, and tttse tr— but upheld, to use a phrase, and abuse or misuse— but upheld, to use a phrase, and abuse or misuse of— but upheld, to use a phrase, and abuse or misuse of power in ttntnts— abuse or misuse of power in dominic raab's_ abuse or misuse of power in dominic raab's conduct. so ttntnts— dominic raab's conduct. so dominic raab— dominic raab's conduct. so dominic raab was found by an tntetentent— dominic raab was found by an independent inquiry to be in the w°“9 — independent inquiry to be in the w°“9 ne— independent inquiry to be in the wrong ne sttt— independent inquiry to be in the wrong. he said he— independent inquiry to be in the wrong. he said he was going to testtn— wrong. he said he was going to nesttn tt— wrong. he said he was going to nesttn t tt— wrong. he said he was going to resign if it found— wrong. he said he was going to resign if it found against him. he ttt— resign if it found against him. he ttt nesttn— resign if it found against him. he did resign and then when he vtstttttet— he did resign and then when he vacillated briefly— he did resign and then when he vacillated briefly perhaps vacillated briefly and perhaps contemplated— vacillated briefly and perhaps contemplated resigning , contemplated not resigning, tnne—nttel contemplated not resigning,- prime_made clear prime minister office made clear net— prime minister office made clear he'd-anywav-- prime minister office made clear ne-t-tnytttyltt- he'd be sacked anyway. so it teets— he'd be sacked anyway. so it teets ttnt— he'd be sacked anyway. so it feels kind-like— he'd be sacked anyway. so it feels kind like an open and feels kind of like an open and stut— feels kind of like an open and sntt- — feels kind of like an open and sntt- _ttttt- feels kind of like an open and shut- _what about. feels kind of like an open and. shut- _what about. shut case. well, what about. okay, shut case. well, what about. ttty, lwntt— shut case. well, what about. okay,.what about- shut case. well, what about. okay, .what about the - shut case. ring“ okay, what about the fact okay, so what about the fact tntt— okay, so what about the fact tntt-tne — okay, so what about the fact that-the claims- okay, so what about the fact that the claims were okay, so what about the fact- that-the claims were so that some of the claims were so stneltne— that some of the claims were so some .the _were - that some of the claims were so some .the _were four. that some of the claims were so some the were four and some of the things were four and a some of the things were four and t nttt— some of the things were four and t nttt tt— some of the things were four and t nttt to two— some of the things were four and a half to two and— some of the things were four and a half to two and a— some of the things were four and a half to two and a half years old:— a half to two and a half years old,-wouldn't- a half to two and a half years old,-wouldn't be- old, which wouldn't be acceptable— old, which wouldn't be acceptable any employment acceptable in any employment tnttntt— acceptable in any employment tnttntt tt— acceptable in any employment tribunal at all?— acceptable in any employment tribunal at all? and are the tribunal at all? and are all the stttns— tribunal at all? and are all the stttns wee— tribunal at all? and are all the claims were actually put forward on claims were actually put forward tn-ttw— claims were actually put forward on-dav- st— claims were actually put forward on-dav- st-wtsl on the same day. so there was ttwttsw— on the same day. so there was ttwttsw t— on the same day. so there was obviously a concerted, coordinated- coordinated attempt to get ewewtntng— everything together all at the ttne— everything together all at the same time that— everything together all at the same time that that was ttwttsw— same time that that was obviously element of obviously an element of sttttsttn— obviously an element ofi collusion _then obviously an element of- collusion _then with obviously an element of colldiscussion then with obviously an element of colldiscussion aboutthen with obviously an element of colldiscussion about then with obviously an element of colldiscussion about the tomato, the discussion about the tomato, wntsn— the discussion about the tomato, which-claimed- the discussion about the tomato,i which-claimed.threw which somebody claimed he threw a which somebody claimed he threw t—tsnt— which somebody claimed he threw t—tsnt twe- a tomato, that wasn't true at ttt. — a tomato, that wasn't true at ttt. .tntt— a tomato, that wasn't true at all. .that person - a tomato, that wasn't true at all. that person said all. and that person who said tntt— all. and that person who said that-trouble,- all. and that person who said that trouble, well, he that got in trouble, well, he tttn-t— that got in trouble, well, he didn't-because- that got in trouble, well, he didn't because the didn't resign because of the ttnttt— didn't resign because of the tomato allegation, as i understand—

tomato allegation, as i understand it. but what i'm stwtnt— understand it. but what i'm stwtng ts— understand it. but what i'm stwtng ts-tne- understand it. but what i'm saying is the collection of saying is that the collection of ewtense— saying is that the collection of ewtense-tn- saying is that the collection of evidence-in-ofl evidence you have in front of you— evidence you have in front of you suggests— evidence you have in front of you suggests that some of the tntnts— you suggests that some of the tntnts-wete— you suggests that some of the things-were-said. things that were being said weent— things that were being said weren't-true. - things that were being said- weren't-true. .there weren't actually true. and there was a concerted,— weren't actually true. and there was a concerted, coordinated weren't actually true. and there was a well,�*ted, coordinated weren't actually true. and there was a well,�*ted, cyouinated weren't actually true. and there was a well,�*ted, cyou usedi weren't actually true. and there was a well,�*ted, cyou used the effort. well, yeah, you used the wont— effort. well, yeah, you used the wont-wntsn- effort. well, yeah, you used the wort-wntsn .- effort. well, yeah, you used the word which i wouldn't word collusion, which i wouldn't tut— word collusion, which i wouldn't use. but clearly— word collusion, which i wouldn't use. but clearly if— word collusion, which i wouldn't use. but clearly if the- use. but clearly if the complaints go in exactly the same all of them on the same day, all of them on the same day, all of them on the same the complainants might same day, the complainants might have each other, have been talking to each other, which think they're entitled which i think they're entitled to someone to do. i think if someone suffered find a suffered a wrong and you find a colleague also suffered a colleague who's also suffered a wrong, there's nothing problem about your experiences. about sharing your experiences. remember had remember the you know, we've had an sorting an independent person sorting out have proven out allegations have proven those are not proven. and that person, adam casey , has looked person, adam casey, has looked at the evidence and made a judgement. so i think we can strip out a lot of the other points about the dates and the tomato and so on. the only thing i perhaps would accept is i perhaps would accept there is a for change on is the a need for change on is the timeline, because it's been an incredibly and in other incredibly slow and in other forms of workplace disputes like tribunals that get to the finishing line a lot quicker. well the threshold of bullying has certainly changed since gordon brown's day. now, here's a guy gordon brown's day. now, here's t guy-tset—

gordon brown's day. now, here's t guy-used tt— gordon brown's day. now, here's a guy-used to throw- gordon brown's day. now, here's a guy-used to throw cola. a guy who used to throw colai stns—ttten a guy who used to throw cola. stns—ttten tt cans, newspapers, biros paper to tnntw— cans, newspapers, biros paper to tnntw ttse— cans, newspapers, biros paper to throw abuse, walk— cans, newspapers, biros paper to throw abuse, walk out while stwt— throw abuse, walk out while civil servants— throw abuse, walk out while civil servants were talking and ne-s— civil servants were talking and ne-s ttttet— civil servants were talking and he's rolled out— civil servants were talking and he's rolled out every time . we he's rolled out every time. we need— he's rolled out every time. we need t— he's rolled out every time. we need t test— he's rolled out every time. we need a fresh lecture on brexit or immigration— need a fresh lecture on brexit or immigration or— need a fresh lecture on brexit or immigration or climate change or immigration or climate change tn wnttewet— or immigration or climate change tn wnttewet ytt— or immigration or climate change or whatever, you know, so settttntw— or whatever, you know, so certainly the _ or whatever, you know, so certainly the threshold was tettnttetw— certainly the threshold was definitely different back in the day definitely different back in the ttw wnen— definitely different back in the day when labour— definitely different back in the day when labour were in control tnt— day when labour were in control tnt nw— day when labour were in control tnt tt— day when labour were in control and now it seems— day when labour were in control and now it seems that hurting stnetttw-s— and now it seems that hurting somebody's feelings is enough. tte— somebody's feelings is enough. tne tettte— somebody's feelings is enough. tne tettte te— somebody's feelings is enough. the people are anonymous. isn't tntt— the people are anonymous. isn't tntt ntsee— the people are anonymous. isn't that nice? you— the people are anonymous. isn't that nice? you know, you can get twtw— that nice? you know, you can get twtw wttn— that nice? you know, you can get away with-claims- away with making claims anonymously.— away with making claims anonymously. came in all away with making claims- anonymously.-came in all at anonymously. they came in all at the anonymously. they came in all at tte-ttne— anonymously. they came in all at tte-ttne. tn,— anonymously. they came in all at the-time. um, and- anonymously. they came in all at the time. um, and in terms the same time. um, and in terms of the same time. um, and in terms tt-tetnt— the same time. um, and in terms of-being abrasive,- the same time. um, and in terms of being abrasive, yeah, of him being abrasive, yeah, nes— of him being abrasive, yeah, ne-s t— of him being abrasive, yeah, he's a brusque,_ of him being abrasive, yeah, he's a brusque, abrasive, no nonsense sort of— he's a brusque, abrasive, no nonsense sort of fella. isn't tntt— nonsense sort of fella. isn't that, though?— nonsense sort of fella. isn't that, though? what's useful setes— that, though? what's useful sometimes in— that, though? what's useful sometimes in being successful ? sometimes in being successful? ant— sometimes in being successful? ant ntw— sometimes in being successful? and how would— sometimes in being successful? and how would politicians like wtggte— and how would politicians like maggie thatcher— and how would politicians like maggie thatcher or winston snwsnttt— maggie thatcher or winston churchill have— maggie thatcher or winston churchill have survived in an era:— churchill have survived in an ytt— churchill have survived in an era, you know— churchill have survived in an era, you know ,_ churchill have survived in an era, you know , we'll fight them era, you know, we'll fight them on era, you know, we'll fight them tn tte— era, you know, we'll fight them on the beaches. _ era, you know, we'll fight them on the beaches. we'll be considered— on the beaches. we'll be considered hate speech. you know— considered hate speech. you know tte— considered hate speech. you know, the lady's— considered hate speech. you know, the lady's not for twntnt. — know, the lady's not for turning. -dare- know, the lady's not for turning. dare you judge know, the lady's not for- turning.-dare you judge my turning. how dare you judge my tenden— turning. how dare you judge my tenten we-we— turning. how dare you judge my gender. we've gone so far down tnts— gender. we've gone so far down tnts-ntte— gender. we've gone so far down tnts-ntte-tt- gender. we've gone so far down this-hole-of peoplei this rabbit hole now of people tetnt— this rabbit hole now of people tetnt-ettttes- this rabbit hole now of people being-equates to- being offended equates to tttwtnt— being offended equates to bullying that— being offended equates to bullying that i think we're going— bullying that i think we're gttnt tt— bullying that i think we're gttnt tt ntwe— bullying that i think we're going to have an impotent, tntsttwe— going to have an impotent, inactive government. who's going to wtnt— inactive government. who's going

to wtnt tntse — inactive government. who's going to want those jobs— inactive government. who's going to want those jobs ?_ inactive government. who's going to want those jobs ? if you can't to want those jobs? if you can't say— to want those jobs? if you can't stw tt— to want those jobs? if you can't say to somebody,— to want those jobs? if you can't say to somebody, hang on a ntntte— say to somebody, hang on a minute,-troops- say to somebody, hang on a minute, troops aren't minute, spanish troops aren't ttttwet— minute, spanish troops aren't ttttwetltne— minute, spanish troops aren't allowed the island of allowed on the island of stttttttt— allowed on the island of gibraltar in— allowed on the island of gibraltar in the final hours of text.— gibraltar in the final hours of brexit. that's— gibraltar in the final hours of brexit. that's a— gibraltar in the final hours of brexit. that's a clear red line. a tttettn— brexit. that's a clear red line. a foreign occupation. he puts stnetttw— a foreign occupation. he puts stnetttw tt— a foreign occupation. he puts somebody to one— a foreign occupation. he puts somebody to one side because tnew— somebody to one side because tnew wttttn-t— somebody to one side because they wouldn't do— somebody to one side because they wouldn't do that. they're tnstntetent— they wouldn't do that. they're incompetent and _ they wouldn't do that. they're incompetent and deserve to have stnts— incompetent and deserve to have stnts-tnen— incompetent and deserve to have strips-them-that- strips torn off them and that stnstttttes— strips torn off them and that constitutes bullying, incompetence and incompetence constitutes bullying, incom pointed and incompetence constitutes bullying, incom pointed out incompetence constitutes bullying, incom pointed out , ncompetence constitutes bullying, incom pointed out, is ompetence constitutes bullying, incom pointed out, is an petence being pointed out, is an essentttt— being pointed out, is an essential part- being pointed out, is an essential part of governance . essential part of governance. tts— essential part of governance. tt-s tn— essential part of governance. it's an essential— essential part of governance. it's an essential part of any ttstness — it's an essential part of any business. and— it's an essential part of any business. and would these business. and how would these tettte— business. and how would these tettte stwtwe— business. and how would these people survive for— business. and how would these people survive for five minutes in people survive for five minutes tn-wtttt— people survive for five minutes tn-wtnt tn— people survive for five minutes tn-wtnt tn t- people survive for five minutes in world on a building in the real world on a building stte— in the real world on a building stte tt— in the real world on a building stte tn tn— in the real world on a building stte tn tn tn— in the real world on a building site or in an army— in the real world on a building site or in an army barracks, for estnttee— site or in an army barracks, for ethttee teten— site or in an army barracks, for example? peter well, i actually tntnt— example? peter well, i actually tntnt tte— example? peter well, i actually think the rules— example? peter well, i actually think the rules that apply in ttttetent— think the rules that apply in different workplaces should apply— different workplaces should apply in_ different workplaces should ttttw tn tte— different workplaces should apply in the service as apply in the civil service as wet. — apply in the civil service as wet. .— apply in the civil service as well. i mean,— apply in the civil service as well. i mean, i- apply in the civil service as well. " mex " apply in the civil service as- well. i mean, i think martin is so of a histrionic so sort of a histrionic and overwrought, detracts from overwrought, it detracts from the he's trying to make. the case he's trying to make. whether the whether you agree with the political choices by either tony blair or margaret thatcher, they were by repute, quite were both by repute, quite sensible and courteous sensible and calm and courteous to deal with, whether you agree with them or not. this other with them or not. and this other point about anonymity. well, civil servants also have no pubuc civil servants also have no public profile when they're getting slagged off by

politicians . and it was david politicians. and it was david cameron, remember, who described politicians. and it was david camer0|civilnember, who described politicians. and it was david camer0|civil servants who described politicians. and it was david camer0|civil servants aso described politicians. and it was david camer0|civil servants as the scribed i think, civil servants as the enemies in bad enemies of enterprise. so in bad times , civil servants don't have times, civil servants don't have a public profile. and when they get an element of justice several years after the event, they also don't have a profile. so again, i think going down the cul de sac of anonymity is a total nonsense. you would total nonsense. so you would ignore raab complaint? ignore dominic raab complaint? yes, and that yes, totally. and say that tetse— yes, totally. and say that- because _totally because this one person totally ttttet— because this one person totally ttttet tt— because this one person totally ttttet tt tt— because this one person totally looked at it and— because this one person totally looked at it and said it was tntt— looked at it and said it was tntt, tntt— looked at it and said it was that, that that's— looked at it and said it was that, that that's that's it. tetse— that, that that's that's it. tetse .— that, that that's that's it. because i as— that, that that's that's it. because i as far as i can see, ne— because i as far as i can see, ne wts— because i as far as i can see, ne stn— because i as far as i can see, ne sttt tt— because i as far as i can see, he was sort of saying that in my in-understanding_ he was sort of saying that in my in understanding what he in my understanding of what he was in my understanding of what he stwtng— in my understanding of what he stwtng wts— in my understanding of what he was saying was kind of that it tsnt— was saying was kind of that it wtsn-t-tetttw- was saying was kind of that it wasn't-really he- was saying was kind of that it wasn't really he hadn't wasn't really a really he hadn't teen— wasn't really a really he hadn't teen-tut— wasn't really a really he hadn't been but ultimately been that bad. but ultimately his behaviour— been that bad. but ultimately his behaviour acceptable. his behaviour wasn't acceptable. wett— his behaviour wasn't acceptable. wet. tttt-s— his behaviour wasn't acceptable. wet. tttt-s t— his behaviour wasn't acceptable. well, that's a good— his behaviour wasn't acceptable. well, that's a good point.- his behaviour wasn't acceptable. well, that's a good point. adam tolley an or misuse well, that's a good point. adam to power an or misuse well, that's a good point. adam to power and] or misuse well, that's a good point. adam to power and he or misuse well, that's a good point. adam to power and he citedtr misuse of power and he cited a particular example of dominic raab putting a hand towards someone's face when he'd had enough of them talking, which seems bear in mind that's not just from a colleague, but someone who's one of the most powerful in the country. powerful people in the country. so i can understand someone so i can understand if someone is hand in your is shoving their hand in your face, would be quite rude.

face, that would be quite rude. and also as quite and also seen as quite dominating, think. rishi sunak dominating, i think. rishi sunak what's dominating, i think. rishi sunak wntt-s wtnt— dominating, i think. rishi sunak what's wrong with— dominating, i think. rishi sunak what's wrong with that? - ctzt’“ g rishi sunak what's wrong with that? peter ttse-s— what's wrong with that? peter ttete-s t— what's wrong with that? peter there's a hand— what's wrong with that? peter there's a hand peter's face there's a hand in peter's face right this would be right now and this would be bullying i did. no, peter, bullying if i did. no, peter, stop is bullying stop talking. this is bullying my hand is in your face. i've got no context is important because you're not my boss. and while you do have a big- while you do have a big ttteens— while you do have a big audience,-not- while you do have a big audience, not one of while you do have a big- audience,-not one of the audience, you're not one of the tow— audience, you're not one of the tow-towentt— audience, you're not one of the four-powerful-inl audience, you're not one of the. four-powerful-in the four most powerful people in the tnttet. — four most powerful people in the tnttet. _tntt— four most powerful people in the united.-that got- four most powerful people in the united. _that got-do- united. what's that got to do wttn— united. what's that got to do wttn tte— united. what's that got to do with it? because— united. what's that got to do with it? because think the with it? because i think the tower— with it? because i think the power dynamics— with it? because i think the power dynamics of politics and the power dynamics of politics and tne tst— power dynamics of politics and tne ttt tt— power dynamics of politics and the top of government are very ttttetent. — the top of government are very ttttetent. .— the top of government are very different. -i was- the top of government are very different. g different. so if i was talking if like this to me, if my boss went like this to me, i would not. i would not find that is that. no. is that is that is that. no. is that is that is that. no. is that for me to be sort of that enough for me to be sort of an example of my bullying, if that's the best example you can give you've got give of bullying, you've got to admit the bar is pretty low. well i wouldn't say that. but he's example. he's he's given an example. he's giving that as an example. and you're he the you're so remember, he used the phrase of misuse of phrase an abuse of misuse of power the hand the face power and the hand in the face claim is not necessarily as claim is not necessarily seen as the example. there are the strongest example. there are lots others. the strongest example. there are lots .others. and _ the strongest example. there are lots-others. and he— the strongest example. there are lots .others. and he .the l lots of others. and he uses the wt,— lots of others. and he uses the wt, .— lots of others. and he uses the wt, . tttnt— lots of others. and he uses the word, i think, humiliation netettettw— word, i think, humiliation repeatedly report as repeatedly in his report as wet.— repeatedly in his report as wet. tut— repeatedly in his report as well. but look,— repeatedly in his report as well. but look, let's try be well. but look, let's try and be etstntett— well. but look, let's try and be reasonable. rishi— well. but look, let's try and be reasonable. rishi sunak although

i reasonable. rishi sunak although t—ttttttstttw- i don't agree with politically, is i don't agree with politically, tsltttw— i don't agree with politically, islfairly calm _ i don't agree with politically, is fairly calm and cautious is a fairly calm and cautious tes— is a fairly calm and cautious tenstn-ttst- is a fairly calm and cautious person,-back and. is a fairly calm and cautious. person,-back and he'd person, he wrote back and he'd ttwttsw— person, he wrote back and he'd obviously-clear- person, he wrote back and he'd obviously clear raab obviously made it clear to raab net—ne— obviously made it clear to raab he'd—he didn't- he'd be sacked if he didn't tutt— he'd be sacked if he didn't tun-ne— he'd be sacked if he didn't quit. .he wrote- he'd be sacked if he didn't quit. he wrote back saying quit. but he wrote back saying tnete— quit. but he wrote back saying tnene wee— quit. but he wrote back saying there were flaws— quit. but he wrote back saying there were flaws in the ttnettne. — there were flaws in the timeline. now me that there were flaws in the- timeline. now-me that doesn't timeline. now to me that doesn't tetttst— timeline. now to me that doesn't tetttst-tne— timeline. now to me that doesn't detract the sincerity of detract from the sincerity of tte— detract from the sincerity of the complainants, but the ttnettne— the complainants, but the- timeline_wasn't timeline was very slow, wasn't it? timeline was very slow, wasn't tte-tntttne— timeline was very slow, wasn't it?-imagine that- timeline was very slow, wasn't it? imagine that will be it? and i imagine that will be tetttnet. — it? and i imagine that will be tetttnet. .— it? and i imagine that will be reformed. i-think- it? and i imagine that will be reformed. c it? and i imagine that will be reformed. t: reformed. i just think it's kind of reflective a of of reflective of a kind of cotton wool world. we seem to be increasingly towards. increasingly moving towards. a lot are very lot of these people are very senior servants. it's not senior civil servants. it's not even dominic said made the even that dominic said made the point wasn't actually point that it wasn't actually the civil servants who the junior civil servants who a lot of them to him and lot of them came to him and said, look, we really like working with you. it was actually the more- g it was actually the more senior ones wntsn— actually the more senior ones which-allowed- actually the more senior ones which allowed write. which i was allowed to write. tut— which i was allowed to write. tut-tts— which i was allowed to write. tut-tts tte- which i was allowed to write. but-it's the senior- but because it's the senior ones, i'd suggest that it's more sensitive. yeah, so it's interesting _ sensitive. yeah, so it's interesting that- c yeah, so it's interesting that point because we—tnete-sl we all thought, oh, there's a young— we all thought, oh, there's a young millennial snowflakes. it tsnt— wasn't that. it's actually tettte— wasn't that. it's actuallyi tettte—tt wasn't that. it's actually- people_t0 play the people who know how to play the system,— people who know how to play the system-tnt— people who know how to play the system, _and - people . system, right? and it's people wnt—ttt- system, right? and it's people wnt—ttt tn- system, right? and it's people. wnt—ttt tn tttse who are oftentimes put in place by who are oftentimes put in place tw-ttttn— who are oftentimes put in place tw-ttttn tnt— who are oftentimes put in place by-blair and the- who are oftentimes put in place. by-blair and the _who by tony blair and the people who ttttnst— by tony blair and the people who were against the— by tony blair and the people who were against the government's ttttstes— were against the government's ttttstes tn— were against the government's policies on certainly brexit, policies on certainly on brexit, senttntw— policies on certainly on brexit, senttntwltn— policies on certainly on brexit, certainly on things like absolutely on things like immigration— absolutely on things like immigration to immigration and deporting to twtntt— immigration and deporting to twtntt .— immigration and deporting to twtntt . tt— immigration and deporting to rwanda . if you— immigration and deporting to rwanda . if you speak to tory rwanda. if you speak to tory tts— rwanda. if you speak to tory

wts tnew— rwanda. if you speak to tory tttts, tnew sty— rwanda. if you speak to tory mps, they say all the time that the mps, they say all the time that tne tttt— mps, they say all the time that tne tttt ts— mps, they say all the time that tne tttt ts t— mps, they say all the time that the blob is a huge— mps, they say all the time that the blob is a huge barrier to governance and— the blob is a huge barrier to governance and when they can wettntte— governance and when they can wwettnpte wow— governance and when they can weaponize work words to have senior ministers— weaponize work words to have senior ministers removed. isn't it senior ministers removed. isn't tt funny— senior ministers removed. isn't tt funny ntw— senior ministers removed. isn't it funny how-like- senior ministers removed. isn't it funny how like priti it funny how it's like priti tttet— it funny how it's like priti patel, dominic- it funny how it's like priti patel, dominic raab, boris tnnstn— patel, dominic raab, boris tnnstn tt— patel, dominic raab, boris johnson of a— patel, dominic raab, boris johnson of a that seems to johnson of a party that seems to be johnson of a party that seems to te t— johnson of a party that seems to te t sttnstte— johnson of a party that seems to be a coincide it— johnson of a party that seems to be a coincide it seem to people wttn— be a coincide it seem to people wttn wttn— be a coincide it seem to people with with hard— be a coincide it seem to people with with hard right or at least ttnt— with with hard right or at least ngnt wtnt— with with hard right or at least right wing views— with with hard right or at least right wing views seem to be the getttnt— right wing views seem to be the ones getting the— right wing views seem to be the ones getting the chop. and i tetr— ones getting the chop. and i tett tt— ones getting the chop. and i tett tt ts— ones getting the chop. and i fear it is coordinated. next tttte— fear it is coordinated. next albie suella— fear it is coordinated. next albie suella braverman well tnenettten— albie suella braverman well thereafter—well. thereafter her next. well ttsten. — thereafter her next. well listen, _ back l thereafter her next. welll listen, _ back on thereafter her next. well listen, back on that. listen, we'll come back on that. we'll a about it. we'll have a chat about it. let's quick look at what let's have a quick look at what you've been you're with you've been saying. you're with me. nana akua. this gb me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. let's what your news. let's see what your thoughts were on this. joining me right martin and me right now, martin daubney and also tuned. also peter edwards. stay tuned. there's loads more still to come. before break, were come. before the break, we were discussing diana abbott's suspension. have a look at suspension. let's have a look at what been saying. mike what you've been saying. mike says abbott's comments says diane abbott's comments teach labour party teach us that the labour party has not dealt with anti—semitism and merely swept and racism, but merely swept it under carpet. well they under the carpet. well they can't afford to do that, can they? william says the labour party shut party acted quickly to shut down this public display of anti—semitism, but diane abbott's and associations abbott's views and associations have known. linda have been long known. linda says she it's okay she obviously thinks it's okay to say those

to say it in those circumstances. an apology means nothing said to save nothing and is only said to save her person's skin. barbara her a person's skin. barbara says diane should be says diane abbott should be kicked the labour party. kicked out of the labour party. i'm way. keep i'm with you all the way. keep those coming. you're with i'm with you all the way. keep thosi'm coming. you're with i'm with you all the way. keep thosi'm nanatming. you're with i'm with you all the way. keep thosi'm nana akua. you're with i'm with you all the way. keep thosi'm nana akua. thisre with i'm with you all the way. keep thosi'm nana akua. this is with i'm with you all the way. keep thosi'm nana akua. this is gbt me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. on way we'll be radio. on the way we'll be discussing suella braverman challenging discussing suella braverman chalwhether you should be proud and whether you should be proud to be . english hi there it is. to be. english hi there it is. tst— to be. english hi there it is. sst tn— to be. english hi there it is. 335 i'm arron— g hi there it is. 335 i'm arron armstrong in the gb 335 i'm arron armstrong in the st wewsttnn— 335 i'm arron armstrong in the gb newsroom and alerts being netw— gb newsroom and alerts being netnt tn— gb newsroom and alerts being heard on most— gb newsroom and alerts being heard on most smartphone phones tte— heard on most smartphone phones tne tt— heard on most smartphone phones across the uk as— heard on most smartphone phones across the uk as part of a government— across the uk as part of a government trial. although not ewetnew— government trial. although not everyone received the message as tttnnet— everyone received the message as tttnnet tnt— everyone received the message as tttnnet tnt sonne— everyone received the message as planned and some received it etntw— planned and some received it etttw .— planned and some received it early . tettte— planned and some received it early . people have been told at early. people have been told at stoo— early. people have been told at too tn— early. people have been told at set tn tnew— early. people have been told at 3:00 pm they would get the nesstet— 3:00 pm they would get the message on their home screen ttnt— message on their home screen tttnt wttn— message on their home screen along with that— message on their home screen along with that sound and wttttttn— along with that sound and vibration for— along with that sound and vibration for up ten seconds. vibration for up to ten seconds. it vibration for up to ten seconds. ttltntentet— vibration for up to ten seconds. itlintended to— vibration for up to ten seconds. it intended to warn people it is intended to warn people ttttt— it is intended to warn people about threatening situation about life threatening situation tsstestnes-t— about life threatening situation issues fires, flooding issues such as fires, flooding or terror attacks— issues such as fires, flooding or terror attacks .— issues such as fires, flooding or terror attacks . rishi sunak or terror attacks. rishi sunak stws— or terror attacks. rishi sunak stws tt— or terror attacks. rishi sunak says uk armed— or terror attacks. rishi sunak says uk armed forces have stnttetet— says uk armed forces have stnttetet t— says uk armed forces have completed a complex evacuation of completed a complex evacuation tt tnttsn— completed a complex evacuation of british diplomats and their

ttntttes— of british diplomats and their families from _ of british diplomats and their families from sudan after a sttntttstnt— families from sudan after a significant escalation of wtentse— significant escalation of violence. the- significant escalation of violence. the prime minister stnttnet— violence. the prime minister confirmed work— violence. the prime minister confirmed work is continuing to tte— confirmed work is continuing to ensure the safety— confirmed work is continuing to ensure the safety of british nttttntts— ensure the safety of british nationals who _ ensure the safety of british nationals who remain there. the ttetttttn— nationals who remain there. the operation involving more than too— operation involving more than too ntttttw— operation involving more than 1200 military personnel was stnttetet— 1200 military personnel was completed alongside the united stttes— completed alongside the united stttes .— completed alongside the united states , france— completed alongside the united states , france and other allies states, france and other allies . at— states, france and other allies . at tetst— states, france and other allies . at least 413— states, france and other allies . at least 413 civilians have teen— . at least 413 civilians have been killed— . at least 413 civilians have been killed as— . at least 413 civilians have been killed as the sudanese army ttttte— been killed as the sudanese army ttttte ttttnst— been killed as the sudanese army battle against a— been killed as the sudanese army battle against a rival paramilitary force for control die paramilitary force for control tte tn— paramilitary force for control die an abbott's— paramilitary force for control die an abbott's been suspended as die an abbott's been suspended ts t ttttw— die an abbott's been suspended as a labour mp— die an abbott's been suspended as a labour mp pending an investigation— as a labour mp pending an investigation for saying jewish tettte— investigation for saying jewish tettte te— investigation for saying jewish tettte ntt— investigation for saying jewish people are not subjected to tn— people are not subjected to n t— people are not subjected to racism. in a letter for the ttsewen— racism. in a letter for the observer newspaper, the former sntttw— observer newspaper, the former shadow health— observer newspaper, the former shadow health secretary said ntnw— shadow health secretary said many wtes— shadow health secretary said many types tt— shadow health secretary said many types of white people with tttnts— many types of white people with tttnts tt— many types of white people with points of difference like irish, tewtsn— points of difference like irish, tewtsn tt— points of difference like irish, jewish or red— points of difference like irish, jewish or red headed people , are jewish or red headed people, are stttestet— jewish or red headed people, are stttestet tt— jewish or red headed people, are subjected to prejudice , but they subjected to prejudice, but they tsn-t— subjected to prejudice, but they don't experience _ subjected to prejudice, but they don't experience racism . ms don't experience racism. ms attttt— don't experience racism. ms attttt tts— don't experience racism. ms abbott has since— don't experience racism. ms abbott has since withdrawn the tennttst— abbott has since withdrawn the tennttst tnt— abbott has since withdrawn the remarks and apologised for any ttense— remarks and apologised for any offence caused.— remarks and apologised for any offence caused. a— remarks and apologised for any offence caused. a labour party stttesntn— offence caused. a labour party spokesman has— offence caused. a labour party spokesman has condemned the comments as deeply offensive and wrong— comments as deeply offensive and wrong tw— comments as deeply offensive and wrong tv tntne— comments as deeply offensive and wrong tv online dab and tunein ttttt. — wrong tv online dab and tunein ttttt. tnts— wrong tv online dab and tunein ttttt. tnts ts— wrong tv online dab and tunein radio. this is gb— wrong tv online dab and tunein radio. this is gb news. now back to radio. this is gb news. now back

tt wtnt— radio. this is gb news. now back to wtnt .— to nana. thank you so tt ttnt— thank you so much, tt wtnt.— thank you so much, aaron . lots thank you so much, aaron. lots sttt— thank you so much, aaron. lots stttt tt— thank you so much, aaron. lots more still to come— thank you so much, aaron. lots more still to come at- thank you so much, aaron. lots more still to come at four, i'll be giving you my take on diane abbott. suspension from the labour party. you won't want to miss that. then on the way we'll be discussing braverman be discussing suella braverman rwanda you don't rwanda flight plans. you don't want to miss that either. stay tuned .

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. they are competent and . and if they are competent and intelligent , you bullied. intelligent, you were bullied. if aren't by colleagues for if they aren't by colleagues for simply brains and getting simply having brains and getting the done. oh really? wow the job done. oh really? wow jane says was set up. jane says raab was set up. they've been him for quite they've been after him for quite a who's next on the list? a time. who's next on the list? on on the hit list. he was only doing his job, pat says. what happened grievance happened to grievance procedures? go out procedures? does that all go out of window it becomes of the window when it becomes a political opportunity to get rid of a political enemy? why did it all go public? it should have been in—house. well been sorted in—house. well exactly is ironic, isn't exactly what is ironic, isn't it, the people who are it, that the people who are supposed looking after us supposed to be looking after us and organised and making sure we're organised are disorganised themselves? and making sure we're organised amean, isorganised themselves? and making sure we're organised amean,isorgtdon't themselves? and making sure we're organised amean, isorgtdon't eveniselves? and making sure we're organised amean, isorgtdon't even havets? i mean, they don't even have a proper procedure to deal with grievances like this. so it's all bit ridiculous. but keep all a bit ridiculous. but keep your coming. move your thoughts coming. let's move on this story that on to this this story that caught course, caught my eye. now, of course, home secretary braverman home secretary suella braverman is set to ignore the european judges an attempt kick judges in an attempt to kick start flights to start the deportation flights to rwanda . now is hoping to rwanda. now she is hoping to give government necessary give the government necessary powers to disregard temporary injunctions issued by the european court of human rights that have prevented planes from taking off. and course , this

taking off. and of course, this all as the illegal all comes as the illegal migration bill, which is odd the way said doesn't it way they've said that doesn't it makes like the bill is makes it sound like the bill is illegal, it's the illegal illegal, but it's the illegal migration the migration bill returns to the commons its final reporting commons for its final reporting stage week. but should stage this week. but should suella braverman be challenging the european courts? well, joining discuss that is joining me to discuss that is former of the labourlist, former editor of the labourlist, peter and gb news peter edwards and gb news contributor and former brexit party , martin daubney. party mep, martin daubney. martin i'm to with martin i'm going to start with you. do you make of this you. what do you make of this story? yeah, i think i think stettt— story? yeah, i think i think stettt ts— story? yeah, i think i think suella is-only- 7 yeah, i think i think suella is only correct to do suella is not only correct to do tnts— suella is not only correct to do tns-sne— suella is not only correct to do tns-ste tts— suella is not only correct to do this,-she has to— suella is not only correct to do this,-she has to do- suella is not only correct to do this, she has to do this for this, but she has to do this for tte— this, but she has to do this for the electoral— this, but she has to do this for the electoral survival and even tenntts— the electoral survival and even tenntts tte— the electoral survival and even perhaps the political future of the conservative _ perhaps the political future of the conservative party. time and ttne— the conservative party. time and ttne ttttn— the conservative party. time and ttne tettn tte— the conservative party. time and time again, the electorate voted to te— time again, the electorate voted to ttte ttst— time again, the electorate voted to take back control of our ttttets. — to take back control of our borders. it's— to take back control of our borders. it's got- to take back control of our borders. it's got worse for 13 wets— borders. it's got worse for 13 wets tts— borders. it's got worse for 13 wets tt-s tst— borders. it's got worse for 13 years. it's got worse , both years. it's got worse, both tettt— years. it's got worse, both teett tnt— years. it's got worse, both legal and illegal immigration. but legal and illegal immigration. tut tte— legal and illegal immigration. tut tne ne— legal and illegal immigration. but the one that's the high trotte— but the one that's the high tntttte-tne — but the one that's the high profile the visible one, of profile one, the visible one, of course, is illegal— profile one, the visible one, of course, is illegal immigration. were— course, is illegal immigration. we-te—sttst- course, is illegal immigration. we're—stock in- course, is illegal immigration. we're stock in the we're a laughing stock in the wettt.— we're a laughing stock in the wt ant— we're a laughing stock in the world. and when— we're a laughing stock in the world. and when those of us who ttwe— world. and when those of us who etwe tt— world. and when those of us who etwe tt tw— world. and when those of us who gave up our careers— world. and when those of us who gave up our careers to go to twssets— gave up our careers to go to twssets tt— gave up our careers to go to brussels to get— gave up our careers to go to brussels to get us out of the twttetn— brussels to get us out of the european union,— brussels to get us out of the european union, have liked european union, would have liked to european union, would have liked tt—tstttttw— to have seen actually the stunstt— to have seen actually the council-europe- to have seen actually the council europe part to have seen actually the- councilleurope-part of council of europe as a part of

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will there be another test— this time? will there be another tettt—wttt- this time? will there be another tegtt—wttt tt- this time? will there be another legal—will it be- legal challenge? will it be voted— legal challenge? will it be voted down— legal challenge? will it be voted down in— legal challenge? will it be voted down in the lords as we ttne— voted down in the lords as we ttne tnt— voted down in the lords as we saw time and again with brexit, nost— saw time and again with brexit, ntst tntttttw— saw time and again with brexit, most probably, they have to most probably, but they have to be most probably, but they have to te-te— most probably, but they have to te-te etstnt— most probably, but they have to be be doing something. be seen to be doing something. ttnenwtse— be seen to be doing something. otherwise finished otherwise the party is finished . lwett.— otherwise the party is finished . lwett. tts— otherwise the party is finished . .well, it's almost- . it well, it's almost like an industry, isn't this industry, isn't it? this immigration business, a business, these different business, all these different factors to have an interest factors seem to have an interest in you've this in it. so you've got this as martin pointed the martin pointed out, all the different elements all seem different elements who all seem to some sort something to have some sort of something to have some sort of something to gain potentially in it. what's thoughts? well, what's your thoughts? well, you call i think call it a business, but i think it call it a business, but i think tt tses— call it a business, but i think tt ttes teet— call it a business, but i think it does feel like— call it a business, but i think it does feel like a business. so

it does feel like a business. so wot-we— it does feel like a business. so you've tst— it does feel like a business. so you've got smugglers, you've got different aspects of got all the different aspects of it that are almost flourishing on two before on two words before you interrupt me. well, you know, you— interrupt me. well, you know, you sttt— interrupt me. well, you know, you sttt .— interrupt me. well, you know, you said i called— interrupt me. well, you know, you said i called it— interrupt me. well, you know, you said i called it a- well, you know, you said i called it a business, so you said i called it a business, st tn— you said i called it a business, st tn just— you said i called it a business, so i'm just explaining why you sttt—ttt- call it a business. but i tnttstw— call it a business. but i tnttstw ytt— call it a business. but i industry you call it business. industry you call it a business. i industry you call it a business. . stutt— industry you call it a business. . stttet tt— industry you call it a business. . stttet tt tn— industry you call it a business. f: e ct" : you're i called it an industry. you're answering your own- f: e : you're answering your own questions. industry-— answering your own questions. ttsn-_tot- answering your own questions. industry-you call- answering your own questions. industry-you call it. industry. carry on. you call it an industry. but i believe in tte— an industry. but i believe in tne ttnt— an industry. but i believe in tne ntnt tt— : but i believe in the right to challenge things tntet— the right to challenge things under—ytt- the right to challenge things under—you think. under the law. if you think tnete-s— under the law. if you think tnete-s-tn— under the law. if you think there's an unfairness, there's been an unfairness, i tntnt— there's been an unfairness, i tntnt wttttn— there's been an unfairness, i think martin answer think martin his answer tnwttttnetw— think martin his answer unwittingly game unwittingly really gave the game twtw— unwittingly really gave the game twtw-wnen— unwittingly really gave the game twtw-wnen ne- unwittingly really gave the game away, when he talked away, which is when he talked ttttt— away, which is when he talked about-electoral— away, which is when he talked about electoral survival of about the electoral survival of the conservative _ about the electoral survival of the conservative party, which is extsttw— the conservative party, which is extsttw-ts— the conservative party, which is exactly-is about- the conservative party, which is exactly is about this exactly right. it is about this tetse— exactly right. it is about this because-another- exactly right. it is about this because another pathetic because it's another pathetic cave government, cave in by the government, tory backbenchers_ backbenchers who are not representative _ backbenchers who are not representative at representative of the country at large-— representative of the country at tttte. ant— representative of the country at ttnge. ant tt— representative of the country at large. and i'll tell— representative of the country at large. and i'll tell you one ttnet— large. and i'll tell you one other-when- large. and i'll tell you one other when talk large. and i'll tell you one- other-when.talk about other thing. when we talk about putts— other thing. when we talk about public-especially- other thing. when we talk about public especially after public will, especially after tte— public will, especially afteri tte—ttene public will, especially after- tne—tnene the referendum, when there was a tsts— the referendum, when there was a stte-nt— the referendum, when there was a 5248 no mainstream 5248 result, no mainstream tnttsn— 5248 result, no mainstream tnttsn ttntt— 5248 result, no mainstream british party has been elected in british party has been elected tn-sttntw— british party has been elected tn-sttntw tn— british party has been elected in .country on the - british party has been elected in country on the basis of in this country on the basis of tttttnt— in this country on the basis of ttttng tut— in this country on the basis of pulling out from _ in this country on the basis of pulling out from the european stnwentttn— pulling out from the european convention on— pulling out from the european convention on human rights. so were— convention on human rights. so tnene ts— convention on human rights. so tnene ts nt— convention on human rights. so there is no public— convention on human rights. so there is no public support at tnts— there is no public support at tnts sttte— there is no public support at this stage . doing - this stage for doing so. tetttws— this stage for doing so. really? you— this stage for doing so. really? you don't- this stage for doing so. really? you don't think there is? well, there is huge public sttttn— is? well, there is huge public sttttnt tst— 57 well, there is huge public support for stopping the ttntntes — support for stopping the dinghies. absolutely the dinghies. absolutely it's the nte— dinghies. absolutely it's the. number-on doorsteps dinghies. absolutely it's the- number-on doorsteps in dinghies. absolutely it's the- nunred'-on doorsteps in

dinghies. absolutely it's the nunred wall on doorsteps in dinghies. absolutely it's the nunred wall and on doorsteps in dinghies. absolutely it's the nunred wall and the doorsteps in dinghies. absolutely it's the nunred wall and the toryrsteps in dinghies. absolutely it's the nun red wall and the tory party. in the red wall and the tory party. ytt— the red wall and the tory party. tst te— the red wall and the tory party. tst ttnt— the red wall and the tory party. you are right. we— the red wall and the tory party. you are right. we agree on the ttst— you are right. we agree on the ttst-tnts— you are right. we agree on the ttst-tnts ts— you are right. we agree on the fact-this is about- fact that this is about ttttttstt— fact that this is about political has political survival, but it has to political survival, but it has ttlttttt— political survival, but it has to.about action- political survival, but it has to.about action ,- political survival, but it has to about action , not just to be about action, not just snett— to be about action, not just snett tttt— to be about action, not just snett tttt .— to be about action, not just cheap talk . we've had years and cheap talk. we've had years and wetn— cheap talk. we've had years and wetts tt— cheap talk. we've had years and wetts tt-tttt— cheap talk. we've had years and years of-talk and- cheap talk. we've had years and years of talk and no years of cheap talk and no tstttn— years of cheap talk and no action-getting- years of cheap talk and no action. getting worse . you action. it's getting worse. you know— action. it's getting worse. you know-ttnt— action. it's getting worse. you tntw-tttnt tt- action. it's getting worse. you know, going to see, know, we're going to see, i tttnt— know, we're going to see, i wtnt-twen— know, we're going to see, i. think,-over-this think, way over 100,000 this wett— think, way over 100,000 this wetn, maybe — think, way over 100,000 this year, maybe even double that. tut— year, maybe even double that. ttt ttsten— year, maybe even double that. but listen, once— year, maybe even double that. but listen, once we— year, maybe even double that. but listen, once we get- year, maybe even double that. but listen, once we get out of the echr , will something the echr, will something really happen ? i mean, you know, we happen? i mean, you know, we keep getting let's get out of the got out of that and the eu. we got out of that and then they spent time arguing. so nothing's either. nothing's happened there either. brexit stalled or the brexit has been stalled or the actual developments and positive things come out actual developments and positive thiitjs come out actual developments and positive thiit haven't come out actual developments and positive thiit haven't come come out actual developments and positive thiit haven't come out come out actual developments and positive thiit haven't come out because it of it haven't come out because they've well, they've taken so long. well, this would another thing that this would be another thing that then have our own litigious then we have our own litigious system stopping the system that is stopping the process. yes. well, this is ttttt— process. yes. well, this is ttttt tts— process. yes. well, this is about it's not— f “tit; well, this is about it's not about breaking international— about it's not about breaking international about international law. it's about not— international law. it's about not-domestic- international law. it's about not domestic laws. so not fettling domestic laws. so it not fettling domestic laws. so tt—ttt- not fettling domestic laws. so tt—ttt tte- not fettling domestic laws. sol it_all the ability it has supremacy all the ability to it has supremacy all the ability tt—tn— it has supremacy all the ability to-or supersede- it has supremacy all the ability to or supersede the to opt out of or supersede the tsnt— to opt out of or supersede the tsnt wtnt— to opt out of or supersede the echr ruling on— to opt out of or supersede the echr ruling on the blocking of tens— echr ruling on the blocking of tttents. ant— echr ruling on the blocking of tttents. ant .— echr ruling on the blocking of flights. and i do— echr ruling on the blocking of flights. and i do expect this wtt— flights. and i do expect this wtt tet— flights. and i do expect this wtt get tt— flights. and i do expect this will get it will— flights. and i do expect this will get it will probably get tntttn— will get it will probably get through parliament, but the tents— through parliament, but the ttnts wtt— through parliament, but the lords will be— through parliament, but the lords will be the big battle, tte— lords will be the big battle, tne ttnts— lords will be the big battle, the lords will— lords will be the big battle, the lords will go against this. i the lords will go against this. t tntnt— the lords will go against this. ttntnt were— the lords will go against this. i think we're going to be on

tnttnet— i think we're going to be on another headlong just another headlong charge, just tte—tnt- another headlong charge, just like—and over. another headlong charge, just. like—and over again like we were over and over again wttn— like we were over and over again wttn-t— like we were over and over again wttn-t tsn-t— like we were over and over again with-i don't think- with brexit. i don't think anyone's going down anyone's going to go down wttnttt— anyone's going to go down without-and- anyone's going to go down without-and by- anyone's going to go down without and by the way, without a fight and by the way, tnene-s— without a fight and by the way, tnene-slntttt— without a fight and by the way, there's major loophole this there's a major loophole in this even, and that— there's a major loophole in this even, and that is— there's a major loophole in this even, and that is if— there's a major loophole in this even, and that is if you can trowe— even, and that is if you can tntwe wow— even, and that is if you can prove your life— even, and that is if you can prove your life is- even, and that is if you can prove your life is in danger, you— prove your life is in danger, you wtnt— prove your life is in danger, you wont te— prove your life is in danger, you won't be able to deported you won't be able to be deported tnwwtw.—gttntl anyway. well, everyone's going to anyway. well, everyone's going tt-tte— anyway. well, everyone's going tt-tteltn- anyway. well, everyone's going to-lifelin danger.. to say their life is in danger. ant— to say their life is in danger. and-obvious- to say their life is in danger. and obvious thing. and it's an obvious thing. wets— and it's an obvious thing. we're fighting— and it's an obvious thing. we're fighting against- and it's an obvious thing. we're fighting against ourselves because we get out the because if we get out of the ehcr, will then have our own ehcr, we will then have our own legal with. so legal system to deal with. so they'll our own lawyers and they'll have our own lawyers and all that kind of thing stopping. we've like i said, it's we've got, like i said, it's an industry, not just industry, so it's not just getting there because getting out of there because we've got all these refugee charities got all charities and we've got all these are getting on these lawyers who are getting on these lawyers who are getting on the bandwagon this as the bandwagon of all of this as well. yeah, yeah. you know, ttwwens— well. yeah, yeah. you know, ttwwens tnt— / you know, lawyers and bandwagon might lawyers and a bandwagon might just lawyers and a bandwagon might tst-tte— lawyers and a bandwagon might just-like justice- lawyers and a bandwagon might just like justice and just be called like justice and the just be called like justice and tne wte— just be called like justice and tne ttte tt— just be called like justice and the rule of law.— just be called like justice and the rule of law-i- just be called like justice and the rule of law. i think, the rule of law. but i think, ttttn— the rule of law. but i think, ttttn-we-we- the rule of law. but i think, again,-we've goti again, although we've got enttnetw— again, although we've got- entirely - perspectives, entirely different perspectives, ttttttn—tt- entirely different perspectives, ttttttn—tt wnt- entirely different perspectives, martin to why this martin has alluded to why this is martin has alluded to why this tsestts—te- is happening, because it's test— is happening, because it's first,.wasn't_ is happening, because it's first,.wasn't in- is happening, because it's first, wasn't in the original first, it wasn't in the original ttnt— first, it wasn't in the original tory tttn. — first, it wasn't in the original tory tttn. tts— first, it wasn't in the original tory plan. it's an— first, it wasn't in the original tory plan. it's an amendment first, it wasn't in the original torybill,n. it's an amendment first, it wasn't in the original torybill, i.e. 's an amendment first, it wasn't in the original torybill, i.e. they're nendment the bill, i.e. they're reacting to tttttstt— the bill, i.e. they're reacting to political pressure from their own backbenchers. then as own backbenchers. and then as ttattttt—tntntl own backbenchers. and then as. martin _thing we martin maybe the sole thing we agree— martin maybe the sole thing we ttnee-nttnt— martin maybe the sole thing we ttnee-nttnt ntt- martin maybe the sole thing we agree might not happen agree on is it might not happen tetse— agree on is it might not happen testtse-tnt— agree on is it might not happen because and believe because of the and i believe tts— because of the and i believe tts-ttnt— because of the and i believe it's-thing the- because of the and i believe it's thing the right to

it's a good thing the right to sntttente— it's a good thing the right to challenge decisions if your life is challenge decisions if your life ts tt— challenge decisions if your life ts tt tst— challenge decisions if your life ts tt tst tn— challenge decisions if your life is at risk in another country. so is at risk in another country. st-ts— is at risk in another country. st-ts tte— is at risk in another country. so is the government so why is the government tnesstng— so why is the government pressing ahead bill pressing ahead with a bill amendment— pressing ahead with a bill amendment might be pressing ahead with a bill- amendment-might be voted amendment which might be voted ttwne—tnen-tti down? the lords and then even if it's down? the lords and then even if tt-s ttsset— down? the lords and then even if tt-s ttsset-te— down? the lords and then even if tt-s ttsset-te t- down? the lords and then even if it's passed, be a futile it's passed, might be a futile tnwwtw— it's passed, might be a futile tnwwtw-tt-s- it's passed, might be a futile tnwwtw-tt-s t- it's passed, might be a futile anyway it's a craven anyway because it's a craven stttttset— anyway because it's a craven stttttset tt— anyway because it's a craven collapsed to its— anyway because it's a craven collapsed to its own backbenchers . it's not borne collapsed to its own— backbenchers . it's not borne out backbenchers. it's not borne out of backbenchers. it's not borne out tt t— backbenchers. it's not borne out tt t genttne— backbenchers. it's not borne out of a genuine attempt to tackle the of a genuine attempt to tackle tne snttt— of a genuine attempt to tackle the small boats. _ of a genuine attempt to tackle the small boats. ctzt" e of a genuine attempt to tackle the small boats. act" e the small boats. i don't think it's just a backbench thing, although i agree that is a part of it. it's listening to the electorate and if you knock on a door door in ashfield or mansfield or stoke trent, mansfield or stoke on trent, they you they want they will tell you they want this to happen. and these are people that they don't vote this to happen. and these are pecthe that they don't vote this to happen. and these are pecthe conservative ion't vote this to happen. and these are pecthe conservative party, ote for the conservative party, they're going wiped out . they're going to get wiped out. and are the people that they're going to get wiped out. andlabourare the people that they're going to get wiped out. andlabour partye people that they're going to get wiped out. andlabour party actually that they're going to get wiped out. andlabour party actually should the labour party actually should be labour party be courting. so the labour party are kind of sitting in the are just kind of sitting in the corner and keeping quiet and hoping issue goes away. hoping this issue goes away. if they got tough on they actually got tough on illegal themselves, illegal immigration themselves, then to then then they'd be able to surpass of this and take surpass all of this and take those votes , hoover them up. but those votes, hoover them up. but they're not. they're staying quiet. and i think the longer labour don't have a position, the bigger a problem it is for starmer. know you've got starmer. and i know you've got

to on to another story, but to move on to another story, but yvette cooper has laid out what labour do. so for example, labour would do. so for example, refugees— labour would do. so for example, refugees welcome— labour would do. so for example, refugees welcome is— labour would do. so for example, refugees welcome is a— " : ctr» so for example, refugees welcome is a little stgn— refugees welcome is a little stew-tt- refugees welcome is a little stgn-ttlteetl sign she held up. i keep interrupting— sign she held up. i keep interrupting people just because i interrupting people just because t—tttnttn - interrupting people just because t—tttnttn notl i have a different opinion. no, no, i have a different opinion. no, te-s— i have a different opinion. no, te-s just— i have a different opinion. no, te-s just-t- i have a different opinion. no, no, he's just-a point. no, he's just making a point. but on. yeah. okay so but carry on. yeah. okay so ttttw— but carry on. yeah. okay so ttttw tts— but carry on. yeah. okay so labour has said— but carry on. yeah. okay so labour has said it- aim yeah. okay so labour has said it would put none-tntt— labour has said it would put more into tackling the more money into tackling the ttstttt— more money into tackling the. ttstttg—ntnw backlog because there's so many tettte— backlog because there's so many people accommodated in very tnstntttw— unsanitary and unpleasant sentes— unsanitary and unpleasant centres , processing unsanitary and unpleasant- centres-, processing and centres waiting, processing and tnene— centres waiting, processing and there establish— centres waiting, processing and there establish new cross there establish a new cross ttntet— there establish a new cross border force _ there establish a new cross border force to _ there establish a new cross border force to because we all tssett— border force to because we all tssett tnete-s— border force to because we all accept there's a— border force to because we all accept there's a problem and tees— accept there's a problem and tees t— accept there's a problem and there's a risk— accept there's a problem and there's a risk of— accept there's a problem and there's a risk of criminality . there's a risk of criminality. it there's a risk of criminality. tt ttst— there's a risk of criminality. tt ttst sttt— there's a risk of criminality. it also said we'd- there's a risk of criminality. it also said we'd have closer stttenttttn— it also said we'd have closer. cooperation _which cooperation with france, which is cooperation with france, which ts—tne - cooperation with france, which ts—tne ttnesi is one of the things the tories came around labour been came around to labour have been stttns— came around to labour have been stwtng—tt— came around to labour have been stwtnt—tn s— came around to labour have been stwtnt—tn s wetn.- saying for about 2 or 3 years. tets— saying for about 2 or 3 years. tet-s ntwe— saying for about 2 or 3 years. let's have closer— saying for about 2 or 3 years. let's have closer cooperation wttn— let's have closer cooperation with - previous- let's have closer cooperation i with - previous - prime with france. previous tory prime tttntstet— with france. previous tory prime minister—wicked- minister said oh no, wicked ttensn— minister said oh no, wicked tnensn we— minister said oh no, wicked french, we don't— minister said oh no, wicked french, we don't want to be tntents— french, we don't want to be friends with— french, we don't want to be friends with them. after brexit. liz friends with them. after brexit. tts tuss— friends with them. after brexit. tts truss ate— friends with them. after brexit. liz truss are the,— friends with them. after brexit. liz truss are the, are the ttensn — liz truss are the, are the ttensn t— liz truss are the, are the french a friend- liz truss are the, are the french a friend or foe or we stn-t— french a friend or foe or we can't decide.— french a friend or foe or we can't decide. rishi sunak is went— can't decide. rishi sunak is very ideological, but also can't decide. rishi sunak is veryadeological, but also can't decide. rishi sunak is verya column al, but also can't decide. rishi sunak is verya column common also can't decide. rishi sunak is verya column common sense and has a column common sense and tntgnttts— has a column common sense and tntenttts sttett— has a column common sense and pragmatic streak him has now pragmatic streak to him has now -set— pragmatic streak to him has now -set tte— pragmatic streak to him has now come _to the labour- pragmatic streak to him has now come to the labour view come around to the labour view tntt— come around to the labour view tntt ytt— come around to the labour view that you should— come around to the labour view that you should have closer stttetttttn— that you should have closer stttetnew-ne— that you should have closer coopethey're at— that you should have closer coopethey're at the other end of when they're at the other end of the when they're at the other end of tne sntnnet— when they're at the other end of the channel, how— when they're at the other end of the channel, how can you achieve tnwtntnt— the channel, how can you achieve tnwtttttsntne— the channel, how can you achieve anytimacron? well— the channel, how can you achieve anytimacron? well i— the channel, how can you achieve anytimacron? well i don't. 4:3.

with macron? well i don't. you sttt— with macron? well i don't. you sttt tntt— with macron? well i don't. you call thatllabour_ with macron? well i don't. you call thatllabour view.- with macron? well i don't. you call that labour view. i don't call that a labour view. i don't think that's a labour view. i think that's a labour view. i think just a common sense think it's just a common sense view that it's wise to be friends with is common sense. absolutely. side. yeah. absolutely. either side. yeah. but countless absolutely. either side. yeah.- but_countless millions but how many? countless millions ntwe— but how many? countless millions ntwe-tt— but how many? countless millions have-to france?- but how many? countless millions have _to france? and - have we given to france? and tts— have we given to france? and tts-tte— have we given to france? and it's-the problem- it's just the problem hasn't ttne— it's just the problem hasn't ttne-tst,- it's just the problem hasn't gone _fact, it's- gone away. in fact, it's worsened. so - gone away. in fact, it's worsened. so the will there worsened. so is the will there to worsened. so is the will there tt sttt— worsened. so is the will there to stop-leaving?- to stop people leaving? why wtttt— to stop people leaving? why wtnt—wtnt- to stop people leaving? why would _want to. to stop people leaving? why. would _want to stop would the french want to stop tettte— would the french want to stop tettte-tntnsee- would the french want to stop people - france? i - would the french want to stop people france? i mean, people leaving france? i mean, you— people leaving france? i mean, wot-ttttttsttw- you know, politically and economically— you know, politically and economically of the economically and in terms of the etesttntte— economically and in terms of the electorate, - french - economically and in terms of the electorate, french police electorate, if the french police were - blockade, - electorate, if the french police were blockade, you know, were seen to blockade, you know, tnese— were seen to blockade, you know, tnese estntnts— were seen to blockade, you know, these economic migrants mostly and these economic migrants mostly tnt—tn— these economic migrants mostly tnt—tn tntnse- these economic migrants mostly tnt—tn tttnse .- these economic migrants mostly and—in france , howl and keep them in france, how wtttt— and keep them in france, how wtttt tntt— and keep them in france, how would that wash— and keep them in france, how would that wash with the french etestttttee — would that wash with the french electorate? _the- would that wash with the french electorate? g electorate? well, the migrant camps pose a legal and camps in france pose a legal and a health and a social issue and a health and a social issue and a political issue for the french government as well. so i think that's why there is now belatedly some agreement, because although we've got entirely different on this entirely different views on this debate, sunak debate, macron and sunak agree that when humans are that, you know, when humans are being at sea, that being killed at sea, that situation cannot sustain. we take that journey tst" " " we take that journey willingly and tnew-ne— take that journey willingly and they're paying— take that journey willingly and they're paying a_ take that journey willingly and they're paying a lot of money to do they're paying a lot of money to to tt— they're paying a lot of money to to t. they— they're paying a lot of money to to t. they te— they're paying a lot of money to do it. they are already safe in ttnse— do it. they are already safe in tttnse tt— do it. they are already safe in france to die. _ do it. they are already safe in france to die. nobody deserves to te— france to die. nobody deserves to tte. t— france to die. nobody deserves to tte. t agree— france to die. nobody deserves to die. i agree with that. tttttw-s— to die. i agree with that. nobody's saying- to die. i agree with that. nobody's saying that-

to die. i agree with that. nobody's saying that anyone deserves they are deserves to die. but they are safe france where they won't safe in france where they won't die if they stay in france, where they're taking a big risk and money and spending a lot of money doing it. so why i mean, you know, and we keep your thoughts coming. hear them coming. we love to hear them gbviews@gbnews.uk tweet me at gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at gb coming up to ten gb news. it's coming up to ten minutes to today on minutes to 4:00 today on the 23rd. is of april. it is, of 23rd. it is of april. it is, of course, george's day. yes. course, saint george's day. yes. saint england's saint george is the england's patron the namesake patron saint. and the namesake for the england's flag. the saint george's cross, wild ireland celebrates saint patrick's day scotland's patrick's day and scotland's saint of saint andrew's day, both of which are bank holidays. in england, nationalism isn't really celebrated, so should we be proud of being english? well, it's a to you english. i am english. yeah. i have some ssttttsn— english. yeah. i have some scottish roots.— english. yeah. i have some scottish roots. i'm- g yeah. i have some scottish roots. i'm english. i'd ttst— scottish roots. i'm english. i'd ttst sttt— scottish roots. i'm english. i'd also call myself— scottish roots. i'm english. i'd also call myself british and i'm trott— also call myself british and i'm ttttt tt— also call myself british and i'm tnttt to te— also call myself british and i'm proud to be both. _ also call myself british and i'm proud to be both. /tlit also call myself british and i'm proud to be both. 4li proud to be both. yep, yep, yep. molson yeah, i'm very proud to be english, but it's unique. perhaps , in the world that the perhaps, in the world that the tntttsn— perhaps, in the world that the tnettsn te— perhaps, in the world that the english are made to feel ashamed engliin are made to feel ashamed of english are made to feel ashamed tt tnett— english are made to feel ashamed tt tnett te— english are made to feel ashamed tt tnett by— english are made to feel ashamed of their race by other englanders- of their race by other englanders ,- of their race by other englanders , as specifically by englanders, as specifically by enttettenet— englanders, as specifically by enlightened, educated, liberal

ntte— enlightened, educated, liberal male commentators who only see tntttnt— male commentators who only see tnettnt tntttn— male commentators who only see england through the prism of the bad england through the prism of the ttt tntngs— england through the prism of the bad things historically. for extntte— bad things historically. for extntte .— bad things historically. for example , scottish nationalism is example, scottish nationalism is setettttet— example, scottish nationalism is setetnttet ts— example, scottish nationalism is celebrated as brave and stnetntng— celebrated as brave and something should be supported. twewtne-s— something should be supported. everyone's irish— something should be supported. everyone's irish on saint tttntst-s— everyone's irish on saint patrick's day,— everyone's irish on saint patrick's day, you know, the wttn— patrick's day, you know, the same with welsh nationalism, but tntttew— same with welsh nationalism, but tntttew tnettsn— same with welsh nationalism, but uniquely english nationalism is ttnntwet— uniquely english nationalism is ttnntwet ts— uniquely english nationalism is portrayed as the— uniquely english nationalism is portrayed as the kind of english tetense— portrayed as the kind of english defence league,— portrayed as the kind of english defence league, the sort of ttnt— defence league, the sort of ttntw ttstst— defence league, the sort of dirty racist nationalism . we see dirty racist nationalism. we see tnts— dirty racist nationalism. we see tnts ttn — dirty racist nationalism. we see this from people _ dirty racist nationalism. we see this from people like emily tntnntetnw— this from people like emily thornberry tweeting those ttstwes— thornberry tweeting those ttstwes tt— thornberry tweeting those pictures of white van men with the pictures of white van men with tne tttts— pictures of white van men with the flags outside— pictures of white van men with the flags outside the door with a the flags outside the door with t sneetnt — the flags outside the door with a sneering contempt for what it tt— a sneering contempt for what it to te— a sneering contempt for what it means to be english. and i think we neet— means to be english. and i think we neet tt— means to be english. and i think we need to sort— means to be english. and i think we need to sort of— means to be english. and i think we need to sort of kick back ttttnst— we need to sort of kick back ttttnst-tnt— we need to sort of kick back. against-and-saint against that and reclaim saint teste-s— against that and reclaim saint setnee-s ttt.— against that and reclaim saint george's day. everyone says on on george's day. everyone says on tn sttnt— george's day. everyone says on on saint george's— george's day. everyone says on on saint george's day, oh, you know— on saint george's day, oh, you know ne— on saint george's day, oh, you know ne wts— on saint george's day, oh, you know, he was turkish. oh and ttsn— know, he was turkish. oh and ttsn tnt— know, he was turkish. oh and fish and chips— know, he was turkish. oh and fish and chips are— know, he was turkish. oh and fish and chips are portuguese . fish and chips are portuguese. ant— fish and chips are portuguese. ant by— fish and chips are portuguese. ant by tne— fish and chips are portuguese. ant by tne wtw— fish and chips are portuguese. and by the way, dragons don't etst— and by the way, dragons don't exist. spoiler.— and by the way, dragons don't exist. spoiler. but— and by the way, dragons don't exist. spoiler. but the whole tttnt— exist. spoiler. but the whole tttnt ts— exist. spoiler. but the whole tttnt ts ts— exist. spoiler. but the whole point is, is that— exist. spoiler. but the whole point is, is that we are made to teet— point is, is that we are made to teet tsntnet— point is, is that we are made to feel ashamed for— point is, is that we are made to feel ashamed for being english. and feel ashamed for being english. antltntnt— feel ashamed for being english. andithink it's— feel ashamed for being english. andithink it's a— feel ashamed for being english. and think it's a terrible and i think it's a terrible dereliction_ and i think it's a terrible derelictionlour- and i think it's a terrible dereliction our national dereliction of our national tttnts— dereliction of our national tttnts. t— dereliction of our national fabric. i think— dereliction of our national fabric. i think a- dereliction of our national fabric. i think a common theme in fabric. i think a common theme tn ttttttn-s— fabric. i think a common theme in martin's answers is he's kind of in martin's answers is he's kind

tt tttttnt— in martin's answers is he's kind of railing against— in martin's answers is he's kind of railing against an unseen enemy— of railing against an unseen enenw. — of railing against an unseen enemy . st— of railing against an unseen enemy . st tn— of railing against an unseen enemy . a" l l of railing against an unseen enemy . ll l l tltlll) enemy. so an unseen enemy throughout throughout the afternoon. to afternoon. and to go to particularly a about particularly a point about scotland, lived scotland scotland, i've lived in scotland and it greatly. and and i enjoyed it greatly. and have some scottish roots going back a long but there's an back a long way. but there's an equally live about proud equally live debate about proud scottish nationalism. but also scotland's role in the british empire over 2 or 300 years, which at times was deeply violent, unpleasant and financially acquisitive. but there's a reason debate about it, just like there's a reason debate in england and no one's making about making me feel ashamed about being good. and being english. no good. and i tntnt— being english. no good. and i tntnt tnene— being english. no good. and i think there is— being english. no good. and i think there is some— lg lg no good. and i think there is some merit, tntttn— think there is some merit, tntten tt— think there is some merit, though, to be— think there is some merit, though, to be said. and you must agree— though, to be said. and you must agree tntt— though, to be said. and you must agree that-things- though, to be said. and you must agree that things which agree that the bad things which the agree that the bad things which tne-ttt,— agree that the bad things which the-did, britain- agree that the bad things which the did, britain did, the empire did, britain did, wntsn— the empire did, britain did, wntsn wts— the empire did, britain did, which was ostensibly an english you— which was ostensibly an english issue, you know,— which was ostensibly an english issue, you know, slavery, for extntte— issue, you know, slavery, for example, colonialism , um, is example, colonialism, um, is ts tne— example, colonialism, um, is seen as the bad— example, colonialism, um, is seen as the bad thing . never seen as the bad thing. never ntnt— seen as the bad thing. never ntnt tne— seen as the bad thing. never mind the fact— seen as the bad thing. never mind the fact that the royal ttw— mind the fact that the royal ttw nettet— mind the fact that the royal navy helped to— mind the fact that the royal navy helped to eradicate slavery gtttttw— navy helped to eradicate slavery etttttw tnt— navy helped to eradicate slavery globally and never mind the fact tntt— globally and never mind the fact tntt tne— globally and never mind the fact that the english,— globally and never mind the fact that the english, the british tnsttttet— that the english, the british instilled democracy arnie rule of instilled democracy arnie rule tt ttw— instilled democracy arnie rule tt ttw, tne— instilled democracy arnie rule of law, the english language and of law, the engliin language and lots of law, the english language and ttts tt— of law, the english language and ttts tt ttnett— of law, the english language and lots of great things too . but lots of great things too. but tntt-s— lots of great things too. but tntt-s ttnt— lots of great things too. but that's kind of— lots of great things too. but that's kind of been lost in the in that's kind of been lost in the tn tne— that's kind of been lost in the tn tne ntsts— that's kind of been lost in the in the mists of— that's kind of been lost in the

in the mists of time because it is in the mists of time because it ts tntttnt— in the mists of time because it is england equals— in the mists of time because it is england equals bad and it's t— is england equals bad and it's t tntnt— is england equals bad and it's seen i think who— is england equals bad and it's seen i think who says that, by tne— seen i think who says that, by tne wtw— seen i think who says that, by tne wtw .— seen i think who says that, by tne way , ytt— seen i think who says that, by tne way , you get— seen i think who says that, by the way , you get it all over the the way, you get it all over the ststtt— the way, you get it all over the social media.— the way, you get it all over the social media. you— the way, you get it all over the social media. you get it in ttntstttt— social media. you get it in particular you— social media. you get it in particular you okay so you get it particular you okay so you get tt tn— particular you okay so you get tt tn tne— particular you okay so you get it in the guardian, the guardian commentators, _ it in the guardian, the guardian commentators, they want to get rid commentators, they want to get nttltetstn. — commentators, they want to get rid . nelson. they— commentators, they want to get rid nelson. they don't like rid of nelson. they don't like tne— rid of nelson. they don't like the—thornberry. rid of nelson. they don't like. the—thornberry what the flag. emily thornberry what ttttt— the flag. emily thornberry what ttttt tnttt— the flag. emily thornberry what about that? emily— the flag. emily thornberry what about that? emily thornberry tweetet— about that? emily thornberry tweeted _what . about that? emily thornberry. tweeted—what was tweeted that picture. what was tntt— tweeted that picture. what was tntt-tt— tweeted that picture. what was tntt-tt te— tweeted that picture. what was that-to be other- tweeted that picture. what was that to be other than that meant to be other than a sneentnt— that meant to be other than a sneering contempt the sneering contempt for the tntttsn— sneering contempt for the english classes? sneering contempt for the english _classes? think engliin working classes? i think that english working classes? i think tttt wts— english working classes? i think tttt tt— english working classes? i think tttt ttltz— english working classes? i think that was 11 12 years ago. she that was 11 or 12 years ago. she was sacked and apologised. do you more recent you have any more recent examples? so didn't it examples? so she didn't mean it 7 examples? so she didn't mean it a wet.— examples? so she didn't mean it e wet-ntte— examples? so she didn't mean it ? well, have to ask her a ? well, you have to ask her a bit like the anti—semitism didn't really it because didn't really mean it because they on they apologised would on that. please for moment. please don't imply for a moment. what saying is with what i'm saying is with anti—semitism, quick apology anti—semitism, a quick apology don't i have sympathy don't imply that i have sympathy of anti—semitism. i'm not saying tntt— of anti—semitism. i'm not saying tntt-tn— of anti—semitism. i'm not saying tntt-tn stwtng— of anti—semitism. i'm not saying that.-i'm saying-i'm. that. what i'm saying what i'm stttns— that. what i'm saying what i'm stwtng—tt- that. what i'm saying what i'm stwtnt—tt ne- that. what i'm saying what i'm saying—to me that. that. what i'm saying what i'm saying to me that if saying is it seems to me that if your— saying is it seems to me that if wtw ttttw— saying is it seems to me that if your ttttw-wtt- saying is it seems to me that if your labour you say your labour mp and you say stnetntnt— your labour mp and you say something racist— your labour mp and you say something racist, you can just tttttttse— something racist, you can just tttttetse tnt— something racist, you can just apologise and it— something racist, you can just apologise and it goes away . and apologise and it goes away. and if apologise and it goes away. and tt you— apologise and it goes away. and tt you we,— apologise and it goes away. and tt you tte, ttt— apologise and it goes away. and if you like, put a— apologise and it goes away. and if you like, put a picture of tntttsn— if you like, put a picture of english people— if you like, put a picture of english people on council estttes— english people on council estates with— english people on council estates with flags, which ttwtttstw— estates with flags, which ttwtttstw .— estates with flags, which obviously , you know, a sneering obviously, you know, a sneering stntentt. — obviously, you know, a sneering stntentt. on— obviously, you know, a sneering stntentt. on t— obviously, you know, a sneering contempt. oh i apologise. i tttn-t— contempt. oh i apologise. i didn't really—

contempt. oh i apologise. i didn't really mean it. the tttttte— didn't really mean it. the tttttte ts,— didn't really mean it. the trouble is, people don't forget tnt— trouble is, people don't forget tnt ntt— trouble is, people don't forget and nor should— trouble is, people don't forget and nor should they. and i think it's and nor should they. and i think tts—tns— and nor should they. and i think tt-s—tnts wnen- and nor should they. and i think it's—this when thei it's at times like this when the twe— it's at times like this when the tnue sttutst— it's at times like this when the true colours are— it's at times like this when the true colours are shown. do. true colours are shown. i do. ant— true colours are shown. i do. ant tntttsn— true colours are shown. i do. and english people are ridiculed and engliin people are ridiculed and and english people are ridiculed tnt ntstet— and english people are ridiculed and mocked and— and english people are ridiculed and mocked and made to feel tsntnet— and mocked and made to feel tsntnet ttt— and mocked and made to feel ashamed all the— and mocked and made to feel ashamed all the time by by the tttettt— ashamed all the time by by the liberal media. _ ashamed all the time by by the liberal media. you— ashamed all the time by by the liberal media. you not you don't tntt— liberal media. you not you don't tntt, tt— liberal media. you not you don't see that, do you? _ liberal media. you not you don't see that, do you? �*ft�*llnlti , see that, do you? what's your point? i mean. well, no, no. that's a stream of consciousness monologue. no, no, no, no, no, no, no. because there- monologue. no, no, no, no, no, no, no. because there is- o no, no, no, no, no, no, no. because there is a point to tnts— no, no. because there is a point to this, actually,— no, no. because there is a point to this, actually, that there ttes— to this, actually, that there ttes teet— to this, actually, that there does feel as— to this, actually, that there does feel as though a sense of tens— does feel as though a sense of being tnettsn— does feel as though a sense of being english is— does feel as though a sense of being english is not one to be trout— being english is not one to be tttut tt— being english is not one to be tntut of-lyou_ being english is not one to be proud of. you look at all the proud of. if you look at all the ttnet— proud of. if you look at all the ttnet ttws— proud of. if you look at all the other days, they— proud of. if you look at all the other days, they have holidays, tnew— other days, they have holidays, tnew-tnew— other days, they have holidays, tnew-tnew ntte— other days, they have holidays, they .they have - of - they have they have lots of tntnes— they have they have lots of tntnes going— they have they have lots of things going-in- they have they have lots of things going in england, things going on. but in england, went— things going on. but in england, went-ts— things going on. but in england, went-ts ttne— things going on. but in england, very-is done about- things going on. but in england, very is done about it. very little is done about it. tts— very little is done about it. tt-s—wtul very little is done about it.- tt-s—wtu wtnt it's almost as though you want to it's almost as though you want tt-tt— it's almost as though you want tt-tt untet— it's almost as though you want to-it under the- it's almost as though you want to it under the carpet. to brush it under the carpet. ant— to brush it under the carpet. ant tnene— to brush it under the carpet. ant tnene ts— to brush it under the carpet. and there is a— to brush it under the carpet. and there is a lot of this nettn— and there is a lot of this nettn-tnt- and there is a lot of this report and how and there is a lot of this report-and how the report relations and how bad the tntttsn— report relations and how bad the tnettsn — report relations and how bad the english were. .this- report relations and how bad the english were. this it does english were. and this it does ite— english were. and this it does lte tt— english were. and this it does seem .be to -me- english were. and this it does seem be to me looking at seem to be to even the looking at it, seem to be to even me looking at t, t— seem to be to even me looking at t, t tt— seem to be to even me looking at t, t tt teet— seem to be to even me looking at it, i do feel that— seem to be to even me looking at it, i do feel that myself. i tnttt— it, i do feel that myself. i tttnt tts— it, i do feel that myself. i think it's completely right that we have balanced debate about we have a balanced debate about what britain what england and britain got wrong it's right wrong as well. it's got right historically, also historically, but there's also an to be proud of in an awful lot to be proud of in our history, whether it was the sacrifices war or penicillin

sacrifices of war or penicillin or reforms in education and so on and so on. yeah, i totally agree— on and so on. yeah, i totally tenee wttn— on and so on. yeah, i totally agree with that. _ on and so on. yeah, i totally agree with that. but- agree with that. but unfortunately, those sort of tntnes— unfortunately, those sort of tntnes nt— unfortunately, those sort of things, no, undeservedly don't tent— things, no, undeservedly don't tent tt— things, no, undeservedly don't tent to get— things, no, undeservedly don't tend to get the— things, no, undeservedly don't tend to get the bandwidth. it's a tend to get the bandwidth. it's t ttt— tend to get the bandwidth. it's t day ttt— tend to get the bandwidth. it's t day day tntt-s— tend to get the bandwidth. it's a day day that's basically ntstet— a day day that's basically mocked and— a day day that's basically mocked and ridiculed. you go on twttten— mocked and ridiculed. you go on twttten ttttw— mocked and ridiculed. you go on twitter today, saint george's day— twitter today, saint george's ttwltust— twitter today, saint george's day just something that's day is just something that's ttststttw— day is just something that's basically slagged off by by, by, by-broadcasters,- basically slagged off by by, by, by broadcasters, tv by radio broadcasters, tv tnesentens— by radio broadcasters, tv tnesentens .— by radio broadcasters, tv presenters , as- by radio broadcasters, tv presenters , as guardian presenters, as guardian sttunntst— presenters, as guardian columnist they do because they ntte— columnist they do because they ntte-wett— columnist they do because they hate _well, let's- columnist they do because they hate well, let's have hate england. well, let's have a tttt. — hate england. well, let's have a tttt. tst-s— hate england. well, let's have a look. let's see— hate england. well, let's have a look. let's see what- hate england. well, let's have a look. let's see what people are saying. luke says. nana nana love you, the types love to watch you, but the types that on are scruffy. that you have on are scruffy. you're not talking about my air then. know it's an old then. luke. i know it's an old widget. i need a new one. the mealy lefty. that be mealy mouth lefty. that must be as a turn off. sorry, i'm switching off. don't switch off. we want debate. and we want balanced debate. and don't insulting don't be so insulting anyway. but there's some but i thought there's some compliments well. i've been compliments as well. i've been called i've called called worse. i've been called a lot worse as well. let's see. carl evans. sorry. carl says i am proud of being english. am 100% proud of being english. we're continually criticised by snowflakes and do gooders. i love being english and wouldn't want to be anything thank want to be anything else. thank you, . let's see. scarlet

you, carl. let's see. scarlet she's calling herself scarlet pimpernel. i don't think that's a real name. i think i can say that outlet. oh no, i'm not going to read that. actually. actually sharon says english and proud to be so . billy says, i am proud to be so. billy says, i am a proud englishman and i do think we are demonised for flying the flag . on stopping the flying the flag. on stopping the boats. marianne says. i honestly believe that the majority of the uk want action now. like me, because we are paying for illegals through our taxes. there's nothing wrong with stopping from using stopping individuals from using our legal aid to our money via legal aid to facilitate their cases . if our facilitate their cases. if our working are using the working citizens are using the system to dodge paying bills and due to the government action . due to the government action. marian i'll try to read the rest of that, i couldn't quite of that, but i couldn't quite get in time. well, it's get there in time. well, it's not going a huge thank not going to say a huge thank you you. thoroughly you to you. i've thoroughly enjoyed today. enjoyed talking to you today. thank to peter edwards, thank you to peter edwards, former editor of the label. it's good to talk to you. thank you very for joining mealy very much forjoining me. mealy mouth so much. mouth lefty. thank you so much. you friendly me and you always friendly to me and ttttttn— you always friendly to me and martin-former- you always friendly to me and martin former brexit martin daubney, former brexit

party— martin daubney, former brexit ttttw-ttst- martin daubney, former brexit party-also.news| party mep and also gb news ttesenten— party mep and also gb news presenter here. _ party mep and also gb news presenter here. �*ft�*tlll party mep and also gb news presenter here. l stll presenter here. well, listen, stay tuned because on the way i've my monologue, not go i've got my monologue, do not go anywhere. christine anywhere. we've got christine hamilton kelly hamilton and also danny kelly joining i'll see you in joining me. i'll see you in a moment .

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your latest news headlines. good afternoon. rapidly approaching attt. — afternoon. rapidly approaching attt. tnt— afternoon. rapidly approaching attt. tnttt— afternoon. rapidly approaching 4:01. i'm ray addison- afternoon. rapidly approaching 4:01. i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom, an alert has been heard on most smartphones across the uk as part of a government trial. harmondsworth . the uk as part of a government trial. harmondsworth. at the uk as part of a government trial. harmondsworth . at 3 pm, trial. harmondsworth. at 3 pm, people received a message on their home screen along with a sound and vibration for up to ten seconds. however, not ewetnew— ten seconds. however, not ewetnenw tten— ll f: however, not everyone then received the alert as everyone then received the alert ts tttnnet— everyone then received the alert ts tttnnet tnt— everyone then received the alert as planned and some received it early-— as planned and some received it ettw. tne— as planned and some received it early. the system— as planned and some received it early. the system is intended to tettte— early. the system is intended to warn people about— early. the system is intended to warn people about life threatening— warn people about life threatening situations such as ttes— threatening situations such as ttnes .— threatening situations such as fires , flooding— threatening situations such as fires , flooding and terror fires, flooding and terror ttttsts— fires, flooding and terror ttttsts .— fires, flooding and terror attacks . president deputy prime attacks. president deputy prime tttntsten— attacks. president deputy prime minister rather— attacks. president deputy prime minister rather oliver dowden stws— minister rather oliver dowden stws tne — minister rather oliver dowden says the sound— minister rather oliver dowden says the sound could save tettte-s— says the sound could save people's lives— says the sound could save people's lives in the future . people's lives in the future. tts— people's lives in the future. tt-s tte— people's lives in the future. tt-s tte stse— people's lives in the future. it's the case that— people's lives in the future. it's the case that this- people's lives in the future. it's the case that this has been developed with the national cyber security centre , which cyber security centre, which forms part of gchq. q cyber security centre, which forms part of gchq . q there will forms part of gchq. q there will be a forms part of gchq. q there will te t went— forms part of gchq. q there will te t wew stntst— cc qt q there will be a very strict procedures in tttse— be a very strict procedures in tttse ttt— be a very strict procedures in tttse ttt tts— be a very strict procedures in place for its authorise ttenttttn— place for its authorise operation, and it will only be uset— operation, and it will only be uset tn— operation, and it will only be uset tn t— operation, and it will only be used in a situation where your ttes— used in a situation where your

viewers lives are— used in a situation where your viewers lives are in danger. i'm tetetntnet— viewers lives are in danger. i'm determined that— viewers lives are in danger. i'm determined that there is a very high— determined that there is a very nttn ttn— determined that there is a very high ttn ttt— determined that there is a very high bar for the— determined that there is a very high bar for the usage of this . high bar for the usage of this. tte— high bar for the usage of this. tte ttne— high bar for the usage of this. the prime minister— high bar for the usage of this. the prime minister has- high bar for the usage of this. the prime minister has confirmed that british diplomats and their families have been evacuated from sudan amid escalating violence in the country . rishi violence in the country. rishi sunak says uk armed forces has completed a complex mission in the capital khartoum, alongside other allies. hundreds of civil auens other allies. hundreds of civil aliens have died in the violent conflict between the sudanese army and a rival paramilitary group . foreign secretary james group. foreign secretary james cleverly says the government is continuing to ensure the safety of british nationals who remain in the country . we have taken in the country. we have taken the in the country. we have taken tne teststtn— in the country. we have taken the decision to— ll tttl. we have taken the decision to temporarily sttse — the decision to temporarily sttse tne — the decision to temporarily close the embassy and to tettstte— close the embassy and to relocate our— close the embassy and to relocate our embassy staff that ewes— relocate our embassy staff that ttwes us— relocate our embassy staff that ttwes us t— relocate our embassy staff that ewes us t tne— relocate our embassy staff that gives us a the best opportunity to tnttest— gives us a the best opportunity to tnttest tun— gives us a the best opportunity to protect our diplomatic sutttnt— to protect our diplomatic sutttnt ttst— to protect our diplomatic support back into sudan . but we support back into sudan. but we remain absolutely— support back into sudan. but we remain absolutely committed to support— remain absolutely committed to sutttnt tntttsn— remain absolutely committed to support british nationals in suttn— support british nationals in suttn .— support british nationals in suttn . we— support british nationals in sudan . we will— support british nationals in sudan . we will do so in close sudan. we will do so in close coordination— sudan. we will do so in close coordination with— sudan. we will do so in close coordination with our international partners. but the

test— international partners. but the test tntnt— international partners. but the best thing that— international partners. but the best thing that we can do to support— best thing that we can do to support british— best thing that we can do to support british nationals and tnteet— support british nationals and indeed everyone— support british nationals and indeed everyone in sudan is tusnet— indeed everyone in sudan is tusnet tne— indeed everyone in sudan is pushed the generals involved in this conflict— pushed the generals involved in this conflict to— pushed the generals involved in this conflict to bring it to an ent— this conflict to bring it to an ent. ant— this conflict to bring it to an end. and that— this conflict to bring it to an end. and that will remain the tnttnttw— end. and that will remain the tnttnttw tt— end. and that will remain the tnttnttw tt tw— end. and that will remain the priority of our diplomatic focus in priority of our diplomatic focus tn tne— priority of our diplomatic focus tn tne tetttn— priority of our diplomatic focus in the region . _ priority of our diplomatic focus in the region . “j ' in the region. diane abbott has been suspended as a labour mp pending an investigation after she claimed that jewish people are not subject to racism. in an article for the observer newspaper, the former shadow health secretary said jewish people were subjected to prejudice like irish or red—headed people, but they did not experience racism. she has since withdrawn the remarks and apologised for any offence caused. however, the labour party has condemned the comments as deeply offensive and wrong . as deeply offensive and wrong. meanwhile, london mayor sadiq khan described it as unacceptable . and i don't unacceptable. and i don't understand— unacceptable. and i don't understand how- l ff and i don't understand how anybody can think tntt— understand how anybody can think tntt, ntw— understand how anybody can think that, how anybody— understand how anybody can think that, how anybody could say tntt— that, how anybody could say tntt. tut— that, how anybody could say that. but even— that, how anybody could say that. but even worse , write a that. but even worse, write a tetten— that. but even worse, write a tetten tt — that. but even worse, write a letter to the _ that. but even worse, write a letter to the observer to tutttsn— letter to the observer to publish that. _ letter to the observer to publish that. it's right. she's

tttttetset— publish that. it's right. she's apologised. the— publish that. it's right. she's apologised. the labour party has ttne— apologised. the labour party has ttne tne— apologised. the labour party has ttne tne ttnt— apologised. the labour party has done the right thing to suspend her done the right thing to suspend nen teeetts— done the right thing to suspend her beggars belief . the done the right thing to suspend her beggars belief. the home sestettw— her beggars belief. the home sesnettnw stws— her beggars belief. the home secretary says it's crucial that tne— secretary says it's crucial that the government— secretary says it's crucial that the government has the power to tetttt— the government has the power to tettn ntentnts— the government has the power to deport migrants without being tttstet— deport migrants without being tttstet by— deport migrants without being blocked by the— deport migrants without being blocked by the european court of tuntn— blocked by the european court of tuntn tttnts— blocked by the european court of tuntn ttents. — blocked by the european court of human rights. in— blocked by the european court of human rights . ll lani) human rights. in the sunday telegraph, suella braverman said for britain to be truly sovereign, it needs to be able to decide who enters our territory . this comes after 11 territory. this comes after 11 small boats carrying nearly 500 people crossed the english channel yesterday. leader of the liberal democrats, sir ed davey, says the government isn't doing enough to tackle the issue. the backlog of asylum applications that have not been processed is 160,000. that's the problem and this 160,000. that's the problem and tnts ttes— 160,000. that's the problem and this does nothing— 160,000. that's the problem and this does nothing to— 00 000 that's the problem and this does nothing to solve that. tttentt— this does nothing to solve that. liberal democrats— this does nothing to solve that. liberal democrats want this ttttten — liberal democrats want this problem solved, but the government— problem solved, but the government is just being chaos tnt— government is just being chaos tnt stn-t— government is just being chaos and can't even— government is just being chaos and can't even do— government is just being chaos and can't even do the basics tent— and can't even do the basics ntnt . — and can't even do the basics ntnt . sttt— and can't even do the basics right. sir? mo— and can't even do the basics right . ”7 eell and can't even do the basics right . 7 eell right. sir? mo farah has finished ninth in his final london marathon with a time of two hours and ten minutes.

kenya's kelvin kiptum smashed the course record to win the men's race in the second fastest time ever . men's race in the second fastest time ever. dutch men's race in the second fastest time ever . dutch athlete sifan time ever. dutch athlete sifan hassan won the women's race. today's london marathon is set to be the largest ever, with at least 45,000 people taking part . around £60 million is expected to be raised for charity . and to be raised for charity. and two new pictures of prince louis have been published as he celebrates his fifth birthday today. he's been photographed being pushed in a wheelbarrow by his mother. louis is expected to accompany his siblings in the procession from westminster abbey during the king's coronation next month . this is coronation next month. this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now let's get straight back to nana . straight back to nana. good afternoon. it's fast tttnttsntne.— good afternoon. it's fast approaching. six- l: it's fast approaching. six minutes after auto.— approaching. six minutes after atoo. tnts— approaching. six minutes after atoo. tnts ts—

approaching. six minutes after 4:00. this is gb— approaching. six minutes after 4:00. this is gb news on tv, tnttne— 4:00. this is gb news on tv, tnttne tnt— 4:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on— 4:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm ttnt— online and on digital radio. i'm ttnt atut— online and on digital radio. i'm ttnt atut .— online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . oh,— online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . oh, god. where do we nana akua. oh, god. where do we stttte— nana akua. oh, god. where do we sttne ntn— nana akua. oh, god. where do we start? from the— nana akua. oh, god. where do we start? from the woman who gave us tnese— start? from the woman who gave us tnese tte— start? from the woman who gave us these toe curling gaffes . us these toe curling gaffes. tow— us these toe curling gaffes. now must— us these toe curling gaffes. how much would— us these toe curling gaffes. how much would 10,000 police officers cost ? well , if we officers cost? well, if we tesnutt— officers cost? well, if we recruit the _ officers cost? well, if we recruit the 10,000 - tttl5 57 well, if we recruit the 10,000 police tttl$5 57 well, if we recruit the 10,000 police men tnt— recruit the 10,000 police men and women over— recruit the 10,000 police men and women over a— recruit the 10,000 police men and women over a four year tente— and women over a four year tettt, we— and women over a four year period, we believe it will be tttut— period, we believe it will be about £300,000 _ period, we believe it will be about £300,000 or £300,000, sonny,— about £300,000 or £300,000, stnnw stoo— about £300,000 or £300,000, sorry, 3000 police— about £300,000 or £300,000, sorry, 3000 police officers. wttt— sorry, 3000 police officers. wttt tte— sorry, 3000 police officers. wttt you— sorry, 3000 police officers. what are you paying- sorry, 3000 police officers. what are you paying them? response times to 99 calls are tnstetstne— response times to 99 calls are tnstetstnt .— response times to 99 calls are increasing . and— response times to 99 calls are increasing . and that would give increasing. and that would give us, increasing. and that would give t— increasing. and that would give t tntnt— increasing. and that would give t tntnt .— increasing. and that would give t tntnt , t— increasing. and that would give us, i think, a 173.— increasing. and that would give us, i think , a 173. how sorry, us, i think, a 173. how sorry, tttne— us, i think, a 173. how sorry, diane abbott— us, i think, a 173. how sorry, diane abbott .— us, i think, a 173. how sorry, diane abbott. diane has sunk to the diane abbott. diane has sunk to tne ttwest— diane abbott. diane has sunk to tne ttwest tt— diane abbott. diane has sunk to the lowest of all— diane abbott. diane has sunk to the lowest of all lows in a tetten— the lowest of all lows in a tetten ttt— the lowest of all lows in a letter for the _ the lowest of all lows in a letter for the observer, diana sueeestet— letter for the observer, diana suggested that— letter for the observer, diana suggested that jewish people do not suggested that jewish people do ntt ttse— suggested that jewish people do not face racism _ suggested that jewish people do not face racism but instead face tneruttse— not face racism but instead face tneruttse .— not face racism but instead face prejudice . similar— not face racism but instead face prejudice . similar to redheads. prejudice. similar to redheads. sne— prejudice. similar to redheads. sne wts—

prejudice. similar to redheads. she was apparently responding to a she was apparently responding to two— she was apparently responding to ttwt wttet— she was apparently responding to a two writer tom _ she was apparently responding to a two writer tom harwood tttntts— a two writer tom harwood orlandi's claims that irish, jewish— orlandi's claims that irish, tewtsn tnt— orlandi's claims that irish, jewish and traveller people all sutten— jewish and traveller people all sutten ttn — jewish and traveller people all suffer from racism. di anne said tntt— suffer from racism. di anne said tntt ntstsnn— suffer from racism. di anne said that racism in— suffer from racism. di anne said that racism in britain is not a tttst— that racism in britain is not a tttst tnt— that racism in britain is not a black and white— that racism in britain is not a black and white issue . it's far black and white issue. it's far more complicated . she went on to more complicated. she went on to wntte— more complicated. she went on to wtte tne— more complicated. she went on to write the undoubtedly experienced - write the undoubtedly experienced prejudice. this is stntttn— experienced prejudice. this is stntttn tt— experienced prejudice. this is similar to racism, and the two wtnts— similar to racism, and the two words are often— similar to racism, and the two words are often used as if they are interchangeable. it is true tntt— are interchangeable. it is true tntt ntnt— are interchangeable. it is true tntt many wtes— are interchangeable. it is true that many types of white people wttn — that many types of white people wttn tttnts— that many types of white people wttn tttnts tt— that many types of white people with points of difference, such as with points of difference, such ts tetnetts— with points of difference, such as redheads, can— with points of difference, such as redheads, can experience this tneruttse. — as redheads, can experience this tneruttse. tut— as redheads, can experience this prejudice. but they— as redheads, can experience this prejudice. but they are not all wet— prejudice. but they are not all tnett ttwes— prejudice. but they are not all their lives. subject to racism, sne— their lives. subject to racism, sne tttet— their lives. subject to racism, she added. in— their lives. subject to racism, she added. in pre—civil rights anetst— she added. in pre—civil rights america, irish— she added. in pre—civil rights america, irish people, jewish tettte— america, irish people, jewish tettte tnt— america, irish people, jewish people and travellers were not tested— people and travellers were not tetuttet tt— people and travellers were not required to sit— people and travellers were not required to sit at— people and travellers were not required to sit at the back of tne— required to sit at the back of tne tus— required to sit at the back of tne tus tn— required to sit at the back of the bus in apartheid south atntst— the bus in apartheid south africa. these— the bus in apartheid south africa. these groups were ttttwet— africa. these groups were ttttwet tt— africa. these groups were allowed to vote and at the nettnt— allowed to vote and at the nettnt tt— allowed to vote and at the height of slavery, there were no wntte— height of slavery, there were no wntte seentnt— height of slavery, there were no white seeming people mandated on sttwe— white seeming people mandated on sttwe sntts— white seeming people mandated on sttwe sntts ts— white seeming people mandated on slave ships as uh— white seeming people mandated on slave ships as uh .— white seeming people mandated on slave ships as uh. uh. i white seeming people mandated on slave ships as uh . uh. i have slave ships as uh. uh. i have wort— slave ships as uh. uh. i have one word for— slave ships as uh. uh. i have one word for you,— slave ships as uh. uh. i have one word for you, diane . one word for you, diane. aussnwtts— one word for you, diane. auschwitz i've- one word for you, diane. auschwitz i've been there and tnene— auschwitz i've been there and there weren't— auschwitz i've been there and there weren't any—

auschwitz i've been there and there weren't any redheads . they there weren't any redheads. they weent— there weren't any redheads. they weent ttten— there weren't any redheads. they weren't after redheads. they tttet— weren't after redheads. they were after mainly jewish people. tnts— were after mainly jewish people. tnts ts— were after mainly jewish people. tnts ts tne— were after mainly jewish people. this is the woman— were after mainly jewish people. this is the woman who was jeremy stttwn-s— this is the woman who was jeremy stntwn-s ntnt— this is the woman who was jeremy corbyn's right hand— this is the woman who was jeremy corbyn's right hand .— this is the woman who was jeremy corbyn's right hand . you may corbyn's right hand. you may esttt— corbyn's right hand. you may testtt tntt— corbyn's right hand. you may recall that he— corbyn's right hand. you may recall that he was accused of anti—semitism _ recall that he was accused of anti—semitism and for a long wntte— anti—semitism and for a long while, jewish— anti—semitism and for a long while, jewish people refused to vote— while, jewish people refused to vote ttn— while, jewish people refused to vote ttt tne— while, jewish people refused to vote for the labour party. ttenentet— vote for the labour party. remember, black lives matter ? remember, black lives matter? tttne— remember, black lives matter? tttne attttt— remember, black lives matter? diane abbott was— remember, black lives matter? diane abbott was all over that tte— diane abbott was all over that tte t— diane abbott was all over that tte t ttsn— diane abbott was all over that tte t ttsn .— diane abbott was all over that like a rash . turns— diane abbott was all over that like a rash . turns out they like a rash. turns out they weent— like a rash. turns out they weent ttt— like a rash. turns out they weren't all that- like a rash. turns out they weren't all that they were sntstet— weren't all that they were sttstet ut— weren't all that they were cracked up to— weren't all that they were cracked up to be. i knew that ntst— cracked up to be. i knew that most sensible— cracked up to be. i knew that most sensible people knew that it most sensible people knew that tt wts— most sensible people knew that tt tn— most sensible people knew that tt tn tne— most sensible people knew that it was in the title,— most sensible people knew that it was in the title, excluding all it was in the title, excluding ttt ttnen— it was in the title, excluding all other races, _ it was in the title, excluding all other races, as though racism towards - all other races, as though racism towards black people is the racism towards black people is tne wtnst— racism towards black people is the worst kind. _ racism towards black people is the worst kind. a— racism towards black people is the worst kind. a sort of my suttentne— the worst kind. a sort of my suttetnt tt— the worst kind. a sort of my suffering of racism is worse tttn— suffering of racism is worse than - because - suffering of racism is worse than because i'm black, as than yours because i'm black, as tntutn—tt- than yours because i'm black, as tntuen—tt tt- though there are grades of it wntsn— though there are grades of it wntsn ts— though there are grades of it which is nonsense. racism is tnt— which is nonsense. racism is racism and there— which is nonsense. racism is racism and there is not one tetten— racism and there is not one tettet tn— racism and there is not one better or lesser— racism and there is not one better or lesser kind. how stuttt— better or lesser kind. how stuttt tnt— better or lesser kind. how stupid and ill— better or lesser kind. how stupid and ill judged of her to tut— stupid and ill judged of her to come out with— stupid and ill judged of her to come out with this guff . diane come out with this guff. diane nts— come out with this guff. diane nts stnse— come out with this guff. diane has since issued— come out with this guff. diane has since issued an apology , has since issued an apology, stwtne— has since issued an apology, stwtne tntt— has since issued an apology, saying that she— has since issued an apology, saying that she wholly and unnesenwet— saying that she wholly and unreserved avidly withdraws the comments . the— unreserved avidly withdraws the comments . the labour party have comments. the labour party have sustentet— comments. the labour party have sustentet tne— comments. the labour party have suspended the whip from her and wet— suspended the whip from her and their spokesperson— suspended the whip from her and their spokesperson said this the ttttut— their spokesperson said this the ttttut ttntt— their spokesperson said this the labour party completely condemns tnese— labour party completely condemns these comments,— labour party completely condemns these comments, which are deeply tttenstwe—

these comments, which are deeply tttenstwe tnt— these comments, which are deeply offensive and wrong. the chief wntt— offensive and wrong. the chief wntt nts— offensive and wrong. the chief whip has suspended the labour wntt— whip has suspended the labour wntt ntn— whip has suspended the labour whip from diane— whip has suspended the labour whip from diane abbott, pending an investigation— whip from diane abbott, pending an investigation .— whip from diane abbott, pending an investigation . but the worst an investigation. but the worst tntnt— an investigation. but the worst tttne tttut— an investigation. but the worst thing about her— an investigation. but the worst thing about her comments is that tnew— thing about her comments is that tnew wee— thing about her comments is that they were considered bad and tntt— they were considered bad and tntt sne— they were considered bad and that she actually— they were considered bad and that she actually wrote them town.— that she actually wrote them ttwn. sne— that she actually wrote them down. she felt— that she actually wrote them down. she felt it— that she actually wrote them down. she felt it was okay to say— down. she felt it was okay to stw tntse — down. she felt it was okay to say those things— down. she felt it was okay to say those things a bit like when ttttuts— say those things a bit like when ttttuts tutt— say those things a bit like when labour's rupa huq, who thought it labour's rupa huq, who thought tt wts— labour's rupa huq, who thought tt sttt— labour's rupa huq, who thought tt tttw tt— labour's rupa huq, who thought it was okay to call— labour's rupa huq, who thought it was okay to call kwasi twtttent— it was okay to call kwasi kwarteng superficially black. we stnt— kwarteng superficially black. we stn-t ttwe— kwarteng superficially black. we can't have idiotic— kwarteng superficially black. we can't have idiotic people like tnts— can't have idiotic people like tnts nttttne— can't have idiotic people like this holding positions of power. no this holding positions of power. to tttttew— this holding positions of power. to tttttew ts— this holding positions of power. no apology is good enough. she may— no apology is good enough. she ntw ttwe— no apology is good enough. she may ntwe sttt— no apology is good enough. she may have said sorry, but that's wntt— may have said sorry, but that's wntt sne— may have said sorry, but that's what she really— may have said sorry, but that's what she really thinks. she wtuttn-t— what she really thinks. she wouldn't be— what she really thinks. she wouldn't be apologising if no ntt— wouldn't be apologising if no one had said— wouldn't be apologising if no one had said anything wrong. tttne— one had said anything wrong. diane abbott— one had said anything wrong. diane abbott is— one had said anything wrong. diane abbott is a complete embarrassment— diane abbott is a complete embarrassment . at well, before embarrassment. at well, before we get— embarrassment. at well, before we get stust— embarrassment. at well, before we get stuck into— embarrassment. at well, before we get stuck into the debate, nee-s— we get stuck into the debate, nene-s wntt— we get stuck into the debate, here's what else— we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up ttttw— here's what else is coming up ttttw ttn— here's what else is coming up ttttw ttt tne— here's what else is coming up today for the great british tettte— today for the great british debate this— today for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, sntutt— debate this hour. i'm asking, should ministers— debate this hour. i'm asking, should ministers pick their own sttt— should ministers pick their own civil servants?— should ministers pick their own civil servants? the— should ministers pick their own civil servants? the government's ttwset— civil servants? the government's ttttsettttute— civil servants? the government's adviser maude, is— civil servants? the government's adviser maude, is reportedly francis maude, is reportedly tttwtnt— francis maude, is reportedly tttwtnt-tt- francis maude, is reportedly drawing-to give. drawing up plans to give ntntstets— drawing up plans to give ministers greater powers to tttttnt— ministers greater powers to tttttnt tnett— ministers greater powers to appoint their own civil sewtnts. — appoint their own civil servants. those appoint their own civil servants. .those overt servants. even those with overt ttttttstt—

servants. even those with overt ttttttstt-.— servants. even those with overt ttttttstt-. as— servants. even those with overt political-. as the - political beliefs. as the tttttut— political beliefs. as the fallout from _ political beliefs. as the fallout from dominic raab nestenttttn— fallout from dominic raab resignation continues. but is tnts— resignation continues. but is this-solution— resignation continues. but is this-solution ?- resignation continues. but is this solution ? then at 450, this the solution? then at 450, it's worldview _ this the solution? then at 450, it's worldview general secretary tens— it's worldview general secretary jens stoltenberg _ it's worldview general secretary jens stoltenberg has said all tato— jens stoltenberg has said all tato ttttes— jens stoltenberg has said all nato allies have agreed that uttttne— nato allies have agreed that ukraine will— nato allies have agreed that ukraine will eventually become a nennte— ukraine will eventually become a nente .— ukraine will eventually become a member . political— ukraine will eventually become a member . political commentator member. political commentator tnt— member. political commentator tnt ttusstt— member. political commentator and russia expert— member. political commentator and russia expert danny armstrong— and russia expert danny armstrong-in- and russia expert danny armstrong in the and russia expert danny- armstrong-in the studio armstrong will be in the studio to armstrong will be in the studio ttt—ntte- armstrong will be in the studio ttt—tte tneni to discuss that and more. then at to discuss that and more. then tt ttwe— to discuss that and more. then tt we, tts— to discuss that and more. then at five, it's outside— to discuss that and more. then at five, it's outside . and today at five, it's outside. and today tn — at five, it's outside. and today tn ttnet— at five, it's outside. and today tn joined by— at five, it's outside. and today tn joined by t— at five, it's outside. and today i'm joined by a very special guest. — i'm joined by a very special guest. te— i'm joined by a very special guest. te ts— i'm joined by a very special guest. he is best- i'm joined by a very special guest. he is best known for tttetntnt— guest. he is best known for tttetntng tn— guest. he is best known for appearing on one of the most tttuttn— appearing on one of the most tttuttn nettttw— appearing on one of the most popular reality tv series of all ttne— popular reality tv series of all ttne .— popular reality tv series of all ttne . te— popular reality tv series of all ttne . te nts— popular reality tv series of all time . he has recently shed over time. he has recently shed over 15 time. he has recently shed over t stne — time. he has recently shed over 15 stone. there's— time. he has recently shed over 15 stone. there's a— time. he has recently shed over 15 stone. there's a clue there. sttw— 15 stone. there's a clue there. sttw tunet— 15 stone. there's a clue there. sttw tunet tt— 15 stone. there's a clue there. stay tuned to find— 15 stone. there's a clue there. stay tuned to find out who he is. stay tuned to find out who he ts. tntt-s— stay tuned to find out who he is. that's coming— stay tuned to find out who he is. that's coming up in the next noun.— is. that's coming up in the next now. as— is. that's coming up in the next now. as een— is. that's coming up in the next hour. as ever, tell— is. that's coming up in the next hour. as ever, tell me what you tntnt— hour. as ever, tell me what you tntnt tn— hour. as ever, tell me what you think on everything we're ttssusstnt. — think on everything we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet discussing. email— gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me ttssusstnt. tnttt— gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet the at . gb gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at . st tews— gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at . st tews. ttnt— gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at . gb news. right. let's get ttnet— . gb news. right. let's get started. let's— . gb news. right. let's get started. let's well, welcome tettn— started. let's well, welcome ttttn tt— started. let's well, welcome again to my— started. let's well, welcome again to my panel. it's author tnt— again to my panel. it's author and broadcaster— again to my panel. it's author and broadcaster christine ttnttttn— and broadcaster christine hamilton and— and broadcaster christine hamilton and also journalist and tttttststet— hamilton and also journalist and broadcaster danny— hamilton and also journalist and broadcaster danny kelly. right. wett— broadcaster danny kelly. right. well, welcome— broadcaster danny kelly. right. well, welcome both. nice to see you-— well, welcome both. nice to see you. ttse— well, welcome both. nice to see you- ttse tt— well, welcome both. nice to see you- ttse to see— well, welcome both. nice to see you. nice to see you, too. thank

you,— you. nice to see you, too. thank you, sntsttne. — you. nice to see you, too. thank you, christine. i— you. nice to see you, too. thank you, christine. i love the pink, by tne— you, christine. i love the pink, by tne way- — you, christine. i love the pink, by the way. thank— you, christine. i love the pink, by the way. thank you. thank you-— by the way. thank you. thank you- tntnt— by the way. thank you. thank you- tntnt you- — by the way. thank you. thank you. thank you. and danny. yeah. i'm you. thank you. and danny. yeah. tn .tt— you. thank you. and danny. yeah. tn-tt tttne— you. thank you. and danny. yeah. tn-tt tttne ts— you. thank you. and danny. yeah. i'm -to frame as ever,- you. thank you. and danny. yeah. i'm to frame as ever, same i'm here to frame as ever, same as i'm here to frame as ever, same ts wett— i'm here to frame as ever, same as ever. we'll get— i'm here to frame as ever, same as ever. ll gl jell) i'm here to frame as ever, same as ever. ll gll jell) ll as ever. we'll get danny in a bright pink shirt one day. oh, that'd be great, wouldn't- that'd be great, wouldn't it? tnttt— that'd be great, wouldn't it? tntt-t te— that'd be great, wouldn't it? that'd be fabulous. yeah do you wett-vesltt. - that'd be fabulous. yeah do you wear-yes,ldo. do. that'd be fabulous. yeah do you. wear-yes,ldo. do you? wear colours? yes, i do. do you? vett- — wear colours? yes, i do. do you? vett- ltn— wear colours? yes, i do. do you? yeah. in, colour. wear colours? yes, i do. do you? yeah..in,-colour. like. yeah. as in, like, colour. like blue, bright colours.- yeah. as in, like, colour. like blue, bright colours. no,- / ll l 5 like blue, bright colours. no, no. big— blue, bright colours. no, no. big-big— blue, bright colours. no, no. big-big colour.- blue, bright colours. no, no. big-big colour. no.j blue, bright colours. no, no.- big-big colour. no. no big colour. big colour. no. no mistake. no, no colour. big colour. “fig f \::t \::t no, no colour. when big colour. “fig 5 \tlt \tlt no, no colour. when you mistake. no, no colour. when you are mistake. no, no colour. when you tne-ttt— mistake. no, no colour. when you tne-ttt tsun— mistake. no, no colour. when you are-foot four and— mistake. no, no colour. when you are-foot four and 21— no, no colour. when you are foot four and 21 stone are six foot four and 21 stone you— are six foot four and 21 stone you-wetttw - are six foot four and 21 stone you _yellow. you. are six foot four and 21 stone. you _yellow. you want you imagine yellow. you want a tettstt— you imagine yellow. you want a belisha beacon, you want to wear something that makes you not stand even further. i like stand out even further. i like pink. pink's is red— stand out even further. i like pink. pink's is red as- : ll i like pink. pink's is red as algo. and ttst— pink. pink's is red as algo. and ttst-twetttn— pink. pink's is red as algo. and also-everton fan.- pink. pink's is red as algo. and also-everton fan. i- pink. pink's is red as algo. and also everton fan. i hate also i'm an everton fan. i hate tne— also i'm an everton fan. i hate tne stttun— also i'm an everton fan. i hate the colour red— also i'm an everton fan. i hate the colour red because of ttwentttt. — the colour red because of liverpool. so- the colour red because of liverpool. “jell) the colour red because of liverpool. t ll l) the colour red because of- liverpool. so danny, i'm going to start with you what do to start with you then. what do you these comments, you think these comments, i mean, i just put my mean, i just want to put my hands over my eyes every time i see diana because i think that something bad is going to happen. she's going to say something just something that will just embarrass as embarrass me in particular as a black when i see that. and black woman when i see that. and it's not that i because but i want to see somebody who looks maybe similar to me sounding good and looking good as well, because makes me feel better. because it makes me feel better. but a jew. my

but i'm married to a jew. my in—laws are jews, so if you we,— in—laws are jews, so if you we, ntte— in—laws are jews, so if you we, ntwe t— in—laws are jews, so if you like, have a personal investment in like, have a personal investment tn-sttw— like, have a personal investment tn-sttw tnt— like, have a personal investment tn-sttw tnt t— like, have a personal investment in-story and i was- like, have a personal investment in story and i was trying in this story and i was trying to in this story and i was trying tt-tnts— in this story and i was trying tt-tnts ts— in this story and i was trying to this as objective as to look at this as objective as ttssttte— to look at this as objective as possible rather— to look at this as objective as possible rather than subjectively, because subjectively, because subjectively as subjectively i think she's as tntst—wtul subjectively i think she's as. thick—you look thick as mids. but if you look at thick as mids. but if you look ttltttesttwetw— thick as mids. but if you look at objectively now, keir at it objectively now, keir stttnet— at it objectively now, keir starmer-done- at it objectively now, keir starmer done best at it objectively now, keir. starmer. done - best to starmer has done his best to eradicate— starmer has done his best to eradicate this— starmer has done his best to eradicate this nonsense since this— this perceived anti—semitic nonsense-got- this perceived anti—semitic nonsense-got rid. this perceived anti—semitici nonsense-got rid of nonsense. so he got rid of corbyn eventually. eventually it took— corbyn eventually. eventually it took-enough. - corbyn eventually. eventually it took-enough. of- corbyn eventually. eventually it. took-enough. of course, took him long enough. of course, abbott— took him long enough. of course, abbott is— took him long enough. of course, now abbott is an acolyte of corbyn's , and once again it's corbyn's, and once again it's true. he was a former lover of corbyn. — true. he was a former lover of corbyn. no.— true. he was a former lover of corbyn. no. we— true. he was a former lover of corbyn. no, we don't- he was a former lover of corbyn. x0 2 " c he was a former lover of corbyn. \c:: '20“ c a)» corbyn. no, we don't have any proof of that. really. it's admitted admitted. yes admitted it's been admitted. yes well, i think they were going out with each other. they had a little ding dong. well i'll just check right. no, check with that. all right. no, i. i've heard that. so she's an acolyte of corbyn, and it still shows you that that mob are in corrigible. you can't change their view. you would have thought— their view. you would have thought that— their view. you would have thought that once - their view. you would have. thought that once _twice thought that once bitten, twice shy-twice— thought that once bitten, twice shy-twice bitten,- shy or maybe twice bitten, tttttt — shy or maybe twice bitten, tttttt .tut— shy or maybe twice bitten, thrice - but no, - shy or maybe twice bitten, thrice but no, she doubles thrice shy. but no, she doubles town— thrice shy. but no, she doubles down-continues— thrice shy. but no, she doubles down-continues to, - thrice shy. but no, she doubles down continues to, in my down and continues to, in my view— down and continues to, in my view, trivialise _ down and continues to, in my view, trivialise the holocaust, whitt— view, trivialise the holocaust, which you — view, trivialise the holocaust, which you highlighted in your mom...— which you highlighted in your monologue, which she has apotogttet. — monologue, which she has apologised. 4:3. monologue, which she has apologised. 415. monologue, which she has apologised. /»15. apologised. you know, to her credit. but it's you know, i'm sick and tired people

sick and tired of people comparing and pears. comparing apples and pears. a holocaust nothing wrong. it's holocaust is nothing wrong. it's not anything holocaust is not like anything a holocaust is a there's nothing to a holocaust. there's nothing to but conflate it with someone but to conflate it with someone with red hair. it's mindless. that— with red hair. it's mindless. that just— with red hair. it's mindless. that just-blowinglyl that just is mind blowingly ttnttttng— conflating the level of prejudice — conflating the level of prejudice .— conflating the level of prejudice , the type prejudice prejudice, the type of prejudice that. — prejudice, the type of prejudice that. .because_ prejudice, the type of prejudice that. .because we- prejudice, the type of prejudicei that. .because we-have prejudice, the type of prejudice- that. .because we-have an that. but because we can have an argument the argument argument and the argument is as old abraham going back to the old as abraham going back to the old testament about whether the jewish people are indeed a race. see, i can convert to judaism , see, i can convert to judaism, tut— see, i can convert to judaism, tut thet— see, i can convert to judaism, but that doesn't— see, i can convert to judaism, but that doesn't mean that i am all but that doesn't mean that i am at et— but that doesn't mean that i am at of e— but that doesn't mean that i am all of a sudden— but that doesn't mean that i am all of a sudden part of that ant— all of a sudden part of that race. and this— all of a sudden part of that race. and this this- all of a sudden part of that race. 1 race. and this this polarises jews as well. so there's plenty of debates for thousands of years, centuries about whether you can actually identify bannau jews as a race. so you get black jews, you get white jews, you get brown jews. well, i mean, if yet-e— get brown jews. well, i mean, if yet-e going— get brown jews. well, i mean, if yete geteg te— get brown jews. well, i mean, if yeute geteg te 90— get brown jews. well, i mean, if you're going to go that- 915. well, i mean, if you're going to go that way, we are human race— you're going to go that way, we are human race with one race. so are human race with one race. so teete— are human race with one race. so ttete ttn-t— are human race with one race. so there isn't really— are human race with one race. so there isn't really any.- are human race with one race. so there isn't really any. so i was trying to look at it. but to be honest with you, racism is a manmade construct. so we're going to go far then. going to go that far then. actually, we are all one race. but we're going to divide but if we're going to divide ourselves we ourselves in the way that we have and we've accepted that

jewish people or jews are jewish people are or jews are one and black people are one race and black people are one race and black people are one race and black people are one race white people one race and white people and we've that ourselves. we've done that to ourselves. then of that, you then in the context of that, you know, not not know, it's not a it's not a visual difference. so that was what the— visual difference. so that was what the wee— visual difference. so that was what she was going- visual difference. so that was what she was going on- , 2 �*"�*"»15”»15“015 so that was what she was going on about. we— what she was going on about. we wet— what she was going on about. we wet e— what she was going on about. it's not a visual— what she was going on about. it's not a visual difference. ste— it's not a visual difference. she wouldn't— it's not a visual difference. she wouldn't know my wife was a yew.— she wouldn't know my wife was a jew wnt— she wouldn't know my wife was a jew wet ttwt-e— she wouldn't know my wife was a jew. and that's her— she wouldn't know my wife was a jew. and that's her point. but i ten-t— jew. and that's her point. but i ten-t ttwt— jew. and that's her point. but i don't think it's— jew. and that's her point. but i don't think it's a— jew. and that's her point. but i don't think it's a good enough point. know i. i mean, point. know nor do i. i mean, you hit the nail the head you hit the nail on the head when you said this isn't just something in something she said randomly in a in a live interview, she wrote it down. it was a considered. wnt— it down. it was a considered. ant ste— it down. it was a considered. and she her explanation is and her excuse is that the wrong draft was sent. well, okay. that means the first draft, that means that the first draft, that is thought. so, i mean, is what she thought. so, i mean, it's ridiculous it's a ridiculous excuse. and i mean, she is a racist mean, she she is a racist herself, diana. she's a black racist. she has been i've, you know, seen it. she is thick as mince as you're absolutely mince as well. you're absolutely right. and she also said she said that what was it, white said that no, what was it, white seeming i mean, what is seeming people? i mean, what is a seeming person ever a white seeming person was ever enslaved? a white seeming person was ever enslavthat. she's so on her about that. she's so bad on her history as well as her maths, as you showed that ridiculous you showed by that ridiculous clip her, the policeman. clip about her, the policeman.

what about the barbary slave trade? where white britons, people of people on the south coast of britain the 17th century were britain in the 17th century were terrified as terrified of being taken as slaves to defend herself, but she has apologised for it. so she has apologised for it. so she knows that she said was she knows that what she said was wrong. it's she wrong. but i it's what she thinks down, because it's thinks deep down, because it's no good just saying an no good just saying it was an early draft. anyone who even lets get on to a piece of lets that get on to a piece of paper draft. it's in paper as a draft. yeah, it's in there isn't it. well, you know, to me it's actually indefensible. obviously to me it's actually indefensiihere. obviously to me it's actually indefensiihere. she iviously to me it's actually indefensiihere. she has|sly she's not here. she has apologised, so she's wrong. but i mean, look, apologised and i mean, look, she apologised and pretty worry pretty sharpish. but my worry was nobody that was that had nobody pointed that out she wouldn't be out to her, she wouldn't be apologising because she it apologising because she wrote it down, wrote it down and then down, she wrote it down and then sent allowed somebody to sent it out, allowed somebody to read felt that that was read that and felt that that was appropriate. and what worries me is people like this in is you have people like this in positions of power making judgements you've positions of power making judgto nents you've positions of power making judgto ask s you've positions of power making judgto ask yourself you've positions of power making judgto ask yourself where you've positions of power making judgto ask yourself where where; got to ask yourself where where is their common why is their common sense? why should should be should she? she should be nowhere any power or any nowhere near any power or any decisions . and that worries me decisions. and that worries me about the labour party because there be lot of it there seems to be a lot of it hanging also she hanging about, but also she should be nowhere near that subject. she knows how toxic teet— subject. she knows how toxic ttwt-tee— subject. she knows how toxic that-has been- subject. she knows how toxic that-has been for- 0 she knows how toxic that has been for that

that subject has been for that stte— that subject has been for that site et— that subject has been for that site et-tett— that subject has been for that side of-hard left- that subject has been for that side of hard left labour side of the hard left labour party — side of the hard left labour party _te- side of the hard left labour party. she revisiting party. why is she revisiting eteyttge— party. why is she revisiting playin97-5he- party. why is she revisiting playing? she revisiting playing? why is she revisiting it? playing? why is she revisiting tte-eteytwe— playing? why is she revisiting it?-playing into- playing? why is she revisiting it? playing into starmer's it? she's playing into starmer's tente- — it? she's playing into starmer's tente- lmeew— it? she's playing into starmer's tente- lmeew .— it? she's playing into starmer's hands. imean , i— it? she's playing into starmer's hands. imean , i know- it? she's playing into starmer's hands. 1“ it? she's playing into starmer's hands. i mean, i know he has trouble with his left wing and he's got of corbyn and he's he's got rid of corbyn and he's now going to get rid of now going to have to get rid of her. but way she's playing her. but in a way she's playing into hands because into his hands because she's she's allowing do it. but she's allowing him to do it. but she, she, she is the absolute opposite out you because you opposite out of you because you are a proud woman . thank are a proud black woman. thank god. god. let god. well, thank god. let me finish . i god. well, thank god. let me finish. i mean, i god. well, thank god. let me finish . i mean, i know that finish. i mean, i know that state the north aukus state in the north aukus the insult. no , no. because. insult. no, no, no. because. but. but what? diane abbott knows is exactly the same as what meghan markle nurtures that every anti thing against her is because she's black. it's because she's black. it's because she's black. it's because she's black, which it's not. she is . she's very, very not. she is. she's very, very stupid . yeah, well, she's also stupid. yeah, well, she's also very, very privileged . i mean very, very privileged. i mean it's not as though children to private school not as though a colour by looking at it has appeared to hinder her progress. she's done incredibly well a lot better than a lot of white people. but what i don't like is this almost grading of racism where, oh, because you're black,

you racism is worse. you your your racism is worse. so at the top of the so you're at the top of the worst to the racism. then worst to get the racism. then it's the people who are slightly lighter, then it's the people and people, you can't and then these people, you can't really so it's really see their racism. so it's like hidden disability. it like a hidden disability. it could be equally as damaging to you and psychologically could be equally as damaging to yo every and psychologically could be equally as damaging to yo every but psychologically could be equally as damaging to yo every but no ychologically could be equally as damaging to yo every but no one logically could be equally as damaging to yo every but no one can:ally could be equally as damaging to yo every but no one can see in every way, but no one can see that from the outset. and i don't think it's acceptable. racism racism and it's racism is racism and it's unacceptable mindset. unacceptable and it's a mindset. so matter whether so it doesn't matter whether you're who's white you're somebody who's white and racist racism racist or black racist or racism is racism. but apparently i in 5 jews in this country have experienced a racist attack. now jews in this country have expemay:ed a racist attack. now jews in this country have expemay imagineist attack. now jews in this country have expemay imagine she ttack. now jews in this country have expemay imagine she may. now jews in this country have expemay imagine she may sayw jews in this country have expemay imagine she may say that you may imagine she may say that that 100% black people have that 100% of black people have experienced racism. but that's not the point . but none, as you not the point. but none, as you teet— not the point. but none, as you just tewetet— not the point. but none, as you just touched on,— not the point. but none, as you just touched on, soon- but none, as you just touched on, soon about wee-e— just touched on, soon about wte-e wte— just touched on, soon about who's who could— just touched on, soon about who's who could be a target , the who's who could be a target, the hierarchy— who's who could be a target, the ttetetetyltte— who's who could be a target, the hierarchy the hierarchical hierarchy or the hierarchical structure— hierarchy or the hierarchical structure of— hierarchy or the hierarchical structure of racism. where do tett— structure of racism. where do tett people? — structure of racism. where do bolt people? $0522 bolt people? well, she's she's she's normally it's nana who she's the normally it's nana who takes mickey out me. you takes the mickey out of me. you told me off and now i you told me off and now i listen to yew.— told me off and now i listen to yet se— told me off and now i listen to yet se tte— told me off and now i listen to you. so the hierarchical structure— you. so the hierarchical structure of,— you. so the hierarchical structure of, if- you. so the hierarchical structure of, if you like, racism and _ structure of, if you like, racism and victimhood the racism and victimhood at the mement— racism and victimhood at the moment black— racism and victimhood at the moment black people are at the tee. — moment black people are at the tee. .— moment black people are at the tee. -. tettewe— moment black people are at the top. .i believe it's- moment black people are at the top. and i believe it's become more pronounced the more pronounced since the

murder, that terrible murder of george whole george floyd, the whole landscape in landscape has changed in the last 3 years about black last 2 or 3 years about black lives and black lives matter and i a of people are i think a lot of people are playing that. but arguably, playing to that. but arguably, you playing to that. but arguably, yew tettt— playing to that. but arguably, yew eewtt-tt- playing to that. but arguably, you could-if that- playing to that. but arguably, you could-if that is. you could say that if that is tte— you could say that if that is the structure,— you could say that if that is the structure, then they're the ewes-tettte- the structure, then they're the ones- getting the - the structure, then they're the ones getting the most ones that are getting the most tete— ones that are getting the most help-“t— ones that are getting the most tete-ttlyew- ones that are getting the most tete-ttlyew eee- ones that are getting the most help it, you see what help out of it, if you see what i help out of it, if you see what . — help out of it, if you see what . se— help out of it, if you see what i mean. so like— help out of it, if you see what i mean. so like you- help out of it, if you see what i mean. g 30 i mean. so like you go to a job and they're looking for somebody who's black or from africa or something like that. don't something like that. so i don't really subscribe that. for really subscribe to that. for me, a mindset. and if you me, it's a mindset. and if you if if you allow that if you if you allow that mindset, at top mindset, oh, you're at the top of pecking order for racism of the pecking order for racism and and you're and you're all there and you're there, actually there, you're actually perpetuating it. and she needs to stop that. she's to stop that. so she's perpetuating a narrative of a mindset says black mindset that says that black people are more victimised than any other type of race, and that needs don't want to needs to stop. i don't want to hear i don't want to hear hear that. i don't want to hear by saying jews don't get persecuted. saying it's persecuted. so she's saying it's weteeltteet— persecuted. so she's saying it's worse-black people. - f 2 so she's saying it's worse black people. worse for black people. no. to equate.— worse for black people. no. to equate-teets— worse for black people. no. to equate, needs stop, to equate, he needs to stop, to equate, he needs to stop, to equate persecution that jews equate the persecution that jews have historically still have had historically and still get who have get today with people who have ginger i know who ginger hair. i know people who have get get have ginger hair. get get teased, etcetera. but to equate the mind boggling. the two is mind boggling. well she needs go to

she obviously needs to go to auschwitz. needs to take a auschwitz. she needs to take a visit to the death camps. i've been she needs to been there and she needs to understand that that is not about having ginger hair. and there there is there is no there is no similarity to that all. and similarity to that at all. and |, similarity to that at all. and i, she's just really i, i think she's just a really a disgrace. she's an absolute she is a disgrace. you're right. absolute let me absolute disgrace. well, let me know thoughts as know what your thoughts are as well. to send me your well. remember to send me your thoughts. gb views at gbnews.uk. you're i'm akua. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this gb we're live on this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and digital radio on the it's my outside the way at five, it's my outside now. my celebrity guest used to date tv star date fellow reality tv star lydia bright their lydia bright with their tempestuous lydia bright with their tempestlviewers over five gripping viewers for over five seasons. think it might seasons. you do think it might be after the break, it's be then after the break, it's time for the great british debate. this hour. i'm asking, should ministers pick their own civil servants? according to the reports , the government's reports, the government's adviser on civil servants, francis up francis maude, is drawing up plans ministers greater plans to give ministers greater power their civil power to appoint their own civil servants fallout from servants after the fallout from dominic raab's resignation. but is solution? send me is this the solution? send me your even is this the solution? send me your ever. views your thoughts as ever. gb views at gbnews.uk or tweet me at gb newsroom and also get involved in the poll, which is up right

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things that you're listening to gb things that you're listening to ee wewe— things that you're listening to gb news radio— things that you're listening to gb news radio .— things that you're listening to gb news radio . 22 gb news radio. good afternoon. it's just on 23 minutes after 4:00. if you just join me. where ttwe— 4:00. if you just join me. where have yew— 4:00. if you just join me. where have yew teete— 4:00. if you just join me. where have you been? stop— ”' do if you just join me. where have you been? stop turning over the papers. — have you been? stop turning over the eeeete. tte— have you been? stop turning over the papers. it's noisy. sorry, eetete— the papers. it's noisy. sorry, man. before we— the papers. it's noisy. sorry, man. before we get stuck into tte— man. before we get stuck into the tettte— man. before we get stuck into the debate, discussing the debate, we were discussing tttne— the debate, we were discussingi diane _comments the debate, we were discussing. diane _comments . diane abbott and her comments. tete— diane abbott and her comments. tet-e ttwe— diane abbott and her comments. tet-e have t— diane abbott and her comments. let's have a quick— diane abbott and her comments. let's have a quick look at what yee— let's have a quick look at what yewe-sette— let's have a quick look at what you've saying. alan says you've been saying. alan says ete— you've been saying. alan says ewe—jewish- you've been saying. alan says she jewish people you've been saying. alan says she be jewish people you've been saying. alan says she be or jewish people you've been saying. alan says she be or haven'th people you've been saying. alan says she be or haven't been ple cannot be or haven't been teetetty— cannot be or haven't been racially under— cannot be or haven't been racially under attack. as a yewtet— racially under attack. as a jewish person _ racially under attack. as a jewish person that has been discriminated— jewish person that has been discriminated against, i find ttwt— discriminated against, i find that offensive. _ discriminated against, i find that offensive. i— discriminated against, i find that offensive. i find it offensive— that offensive. i find it offensive listening to her as wet— offensive listening to her as well, michael— offensive listening to her as well, michael says. starmer will be tying— well, michael says. starmer will be tyteg te— well, michael says. starmer will be tyteg te wet— well, michael says. starmer will be dying to kick her out with cettyw— be dying to kick her out with tettyw ee— be dying to kick her out with tettyw we we— be dying to kick her out with corbyn as he tries to rebrand tetew— corbyn as he tries to rebrand tetew .— corbyn as he tries to rebrand labour . yeah,— corbyn as he tries to rebrand labour. yeah, she has given him the exact— labour. yeah, she has given him the exact perfect— labour. yeah, she has given him the exact perfect opportunity, tweete— the exact perfect opportunity, barbara-diane- the exact perfect opportunity, barbara diane abbott barbara says. diane abbott etewtt— barbara says. diane abbott etewtt te— barbara says. diane abbott should be kicked out of the tetew— should be kicked out of the tetew petty— should be kicked out of the labour party and not a moment too labour party and not a moment tee twe— labour party and not a moment too soon. i've added that in. wettew— too soon. i've added that in. wettew eeye—

too soon. i've added that in. marion says apology does not marion says an apology does not wweey— marion says an apology does not unsay-offensive- unsay diane's offensive and ill tweetet— unsay diane's offensive and ill tttetmet—yewl informed comments. do you know weet— informed comments. do you know weet-tttne— informed comments. do you know wtet-tttwe tee— informed comments. do you know what-thing is? they- what the worst thing is? they wee-t— what the worst thing is? they weren't comments. she wrote weren't just comments. she wrote them — weren't just comments. she wrote them teww. — weren't just comments. she wrote them teww. stte— weren't just comments. she wrote them down. she has offended a lot them down. she has offended a tet et— them down. she has offended a tet et eeeete— them down. she has offended a lot of people and— them down. she has offended a lot of people and brought her tttettteewee— lot of people and brought her intelligence question intelligence into question time and intelligence into question time ewe—ettetl intelligence into question time. and—added that and time and again. i added that in and time and again. i added that ttlwett— and time and again. i added that ttlwett-tet— and time and again. i added that in .well.-for.to- and time and again. i added that in.well.-for.to go.- in as well. time for it to go. i teweetty— in as well. time for it to go. i teweetty. .— in as well. time for it to go. i honestly, i actually feel a ttwe— honestly, i actually feel a we ttt— honestly, i actually feel a little bit sympathy her, for little bit sympathy for her, for her little bit sympathy for her, for tet— . — little bit sympathy for her, for wet—t ten-t- little bit sympathy for her, for her—i don't know. her behaviour. i don't know whether— her behaviour. i don't know whether something that whether there's something that is whether there's something that tewtewg— whether there's something that tewtewgwttt— whether there's something that is wrong with her— whether there's something that is wrong with her whether is wrong with her or whether eemetttte-e— is wrong with her or whether something's going her. something's going on with her. so something's going on with her. se-ewt— something's going on with her. se-ewt ttwt- something's going on with her. so-put that there . so we'll just put that there twet— so we'll just put that there wet-ttwt— so we'll just put that there twet-ewt tte- so we'll just put that there just but it's time for just in case. but it's time for tte— just in case. but it's time for the treet— just in case. but it's time for the great british— just in case. but it's time for the great british debate this teww— the great british debate this tew. ant— the great british debate this hour. and asking should hour. and i'm asking should mttetete— hour. and i'm asking should ministers-own- hour. and i'm asking should ministers own civil ministers pick their own civil setetntte— ministers pick their own civil servants?-there's,- servants? now, there's, of course, a fallout course, been a fallout from wemtte— course, been a fallout from dominic resignation dominic raab resignation as the teewty— dominic raab resignation as the teewty tttne— dominic raab resignation as the deputy prime minister it's deputy prime minister and it's eewtttwtte— continuing because he's eweeeeetty— continuing because he's- supposedly—staff. supposedly bullied his staff. we— supposedly bullied his staff. the government's adviser on ttwt— the government's adviser oni ttwt—wewte civil servants, francis maude, is civil servants, francis maude, te—ttewtte- civil servants, francis maude, te—ttewtte we- civil servants, francis maude, is drawing up plans is reportedly drawing up plans to is reportedly drawing up plans te give— is reportedly drawing up plans to give ministers— is reportedly drawing up plans to give ministers greater eewete— to give ministers greater powers-this- to give ministers greater powers. this would mean to give ministers greater- powers.-this would mean that powers. now this would mean that they— powers. now this would mean that they eewtt— powers. now this would mean that they could potentially appoint teet— they could potentially appoint their-servants,- they could potentially appoint their servants, even their own civil servants, even these— their own civil servants, even those - political - those with overt political tenets.— those with overt political beliefs. according to maude, beliefs. and according to maude, the beliefs. and according to maude, tte—te— beliefs. and according to maude, tte—tee tete- beliefs. and according to maude, the—be less mealy. the uk needs to be less mealy mewttet— the uk needs to be less mealy mouthed about— the uk needs to be less mealy mouthed about the word political tzettew— mouthed about the word political tzetew- we-we— mouthed about the word political ization. we've used— mouthed about the word political ization. we've used that once eteety— ization. we've used that once eteety tetey— ization. we've used that once already today peter edwards. already today on peter edwards. wten— already today on peter edwards. when somebody— already today on peter edwards. when somebody wrote in and eettet— when somebody wrote in and tenet-meaty— when somebody wrote in and called mealy mouthed, you'll called him mealy mouthed, you'll be called him mealy mouthed, you'll tee—tweetet- called him mealy mouthed, you'll te—eteeeet te| be pleased. you'll be pleased to say—joining- be pleased. you'll be pleased to say—joining we- be pleased. you'll be pleased to

say—joining we inl be pleased. you'll be pleased to se'moment joining us in be pleased. you'll be pleased to se'moment when joining us in be pleased. you'll be pleased to se'moment when discussing in be pleased. you'll be pleased to se'moment when discussing the a moment when discussing the ttwt— a moment when discussing the ttwt eewewte— a moment when discussing the civil servants, that the civil servants, he said that the gewetwmewt— civil servants, he said that the government-learn- civil servants, he said that the government learn from government need to learn from eewwtwee— government need to learn from eewwtwee-ee— government need to learn from countries as australia, new countries such as australia, new zeetewt.— countries such as australia, new zealand, where— countries such as australia, new zealand, where servants zealand, where civil servants ere—te— zealand, where civil servants tte—te tte- zealand, where civil servants are—to the samei are not subject to the same eettteet— are not subject to the same political impartiality rules. he etetme— political impartiality rules. he wettt—te- claims that this leads to less group— claims that this leads to less 9roup ttnttte— claims that this leads to less- group thinking,_debate group thinking, more open debate and group thinking, more open debate eet—tetweew- and less tension between mttetete— and less tension between- ministers—and ministers and their staff. and it's ministers and their staff. and tte—twee- ministers and their staff. and it's—such changes| it's hoped that such changes in the it's hoped that such changes in tte—tete- it's hoped that such changes in tte—tete te- it's hoped that such changes in the—help to avoid. the rules would help to avoid whet— the rules would help to avoid what-happened- the rules would help to avoid what happened to dominic what has happened to dominic teete— what has happened to dominic teat. where— what has happened to dominic teat. where e— what has happened to dominic raab, where a deputy prime wttetet— raab, where a deputy prime minister-activist. minister claimed activist civil setetntt— servants who opposed the government's— servants who opposed the government's agenda acting government's agenda were acting wettest— government's agenda were acting egettet tte — government's agenda were acting egettet tte .— government's agenda were acting against him . but— government's agenda were acting against him . but is that the against him. but is that the eetwtew— against him. but is that the solution that— against him. but is that the solution that is— against him. but is that the solution that is the question. there-e— solution that is the question. ttete-e e— solution that is the question. ttete-e e tet— solution that is the question. there's a lot there for the treet— there's a lot there for the great british _ there's a lot there for the great british debate this hour. i'm great british debate this hour. tte -etewtt— great british debate this hour. i'm should ministers pick i'm asking should ministers pick up i'm asking should ministers pick up-pick— i'm asking should ministers pick we-etet-ttet— i'm asking should ministers pick up-pick-their own- i'm asking should ministers pick up pick their own civil up that pick out their own civil servants— up that pick out their own civil servants te— up that pick out their own civil servants to debate this, i'm jetted— servants to debate this, i'm joined .stephen- servants to debate this, i'm joined stephen pound, former joined by stephen pound, former tetew—eel labour mep martin daubney gb newe— labour mep martin daubney gb weweltetmet— labour mep martin daubney gb news, former editor the edwards, former editor of the tetewwtet— edwards, former editor of the labourlist suzanne labourlist and also suzanne twewe — labourlist and also suzanne twewe _wett- labourlist and also suzanne evans.-well, i'm- labourlist and also suzanne evans. well, i'm going to evans. right well, i'm going to ttwt— evans. right well, i'm going to start witt— evans. right well, i'm going to start with my— evans. right well, i'm going to start with my new— evans. right well, i'm going to start with my new dup to tweete— start with my new dup to edwards. not— start with my new dup to edwards. not you, actually, not tetet— peter edwards. i sorry i eewttw-t— peter edwards. i sorry i couldn't-out- peter edwards. i sorry i couldn't out what your peter edwards. i sorry i— couldn't-out what your name couldn't work out what your name is couldn't work out what your name it tettt— couldn't work out what your name it again- we— couldn't work out what your name is again. who are— couldn't work out what your name is again. who are you? stephen pewte— is again. who are you? stephen pound. stephen— is again. who are you? stephen pound. stephen are you? pound. stephen pound. are you? i'm pound. stephen pound. are you? t-m-steetew.— pound. stephen pound. are you? i'm _stephen, what- pound. stephen pound. are you? i'm stephen, what you i'm joking. stephen, what do you tettte— i'm joking. stephen, what do you think?_allowedl i'm joking. stephen, what do youi think?_allowed to think? should they be allowed to wet— think? should they be allowed to wet-ttwt— think? should they be allowed to pick - civil servants? - pick their own civil servants? wteetwtety— pick their own civil servants? ateetwtety- — pick their own civil servants?| absolutely- .bonkers. absolutely not. it's bonkers. owe— absolutely not. it's bonkers. one things we can one of the few things we can actually proud what actually be proud of in what peter hennessy talks about the

marriage is to marriage of government is to actually have an impartial expert service. expert civil service. look, ministers own ministers do choose their own special present special advisers at the present time, people who are time, there are people who are both servants and both civil servants and political appointees. spads special advisers, know, so special advisers, you know, so you've already. now, if you've got them already. now, if we had imagine we had we had imagine if we had a politically appointed civil service. do you know there are half civil servants in half a million civil servants in this present this country at the present time? so at what level do you start? level stop? start? what level do you stop? and what when the and what happens when the government changes? they government changes? do they all get sack? of get the sack? what sort of a person would take a job in the heart of government knowing that it a temporary job? no, it was only a temporary job? no, i'm sorry to say that new zealand australia are zealand and australia are the exemplars you just exemplars of here. when you just actually at france, where actually look at france, where they have the cabinet system, look at america, all the look at america, where all the senior they're senior members, they're appointed grounds, appointed on political grounds, neither would suggest appointed on political grounds, nean er would suggest appointed on political grounds, nean excellent would suggest appointed on political grounds, nean excellent examplei suggest appointed on political grounds, ne an excellent example forggest appointed on political grounds, ne an excellent example for uszst is an excellent example for us in country. well, let's in this country. well, let's go to in this country. well, let's go te sween— in this country. well, let's go to susan-political- to susan evans, political commentator. - to susan evans, political commentator. think commentator. susan so i think weet— commentator. susan so i think what steetew— commentator. susan so i think what stephen is— commentator. susan so i think what stephen is saying be what stephen is saying would be eteetwtety— what stephen is saying would be absolutely—the- what stephen is saying would be absolutely the case absolutely fine were it the case ttwt— absolutely fine were it the case ttwt-ttwt— absolutely fine were it the case that-civil service- absolutely fine were it the case that civil service was the that the civil service was the ttwt— that the civil service was the civil service _ that the civil service was the civil service of— that the civil service was the civil service of old, where they gewwttety— civil service of old, where they were genuinely impartial? but i ttwt— were genuinely impartial? but i tttwt-we-we— were genuinely impartial? but i think-we've seen,- think what we've seen, particularly with the dominic raab now before raab incident now but before

that, patel, who that, also with priti patel, who you was also the you remember was also the subject bullying allegations subject of bullying allegations by who apparently by civil servants who apparently seemed be very pro the seemed to be very pro the european union and very anti her views on immigration . so again, views on immigration. so again, i think we've got— views on immigration. so again, i think we've got a— views on immigration. so again, i think we've got a very- i think we've got a very different— i think we've got a very different situation now. 1“ 0“ different situation now. in an tweet— different situation now. in an tweet wettt.— different situation now. in an ideal world, yes,— different situation now. in an ideal world, yes, the- different situation now. in an ideal world, yes, the civil service would be impartial, but i'm afraid i've met civil servants and i'm sure stephen has as well. let's be honest. you must have done stephen, who are not impartial. they clearly aren't. this a problem aren't. and this is a problem that be getting worse that seems to be getting worse and people i speak in and worse. people i speak to in the civil service who are not part of the normal wing part of the normal left wing group are finding it group think are finding it increasingly difficult to do their seeing their job. and they're seeing how civil service is using how the civil service is using their power to undermine and subordinate members of parliament and indeed government ministers. and i think if we've got a situation where civil servants are very important, people government remember people in government remember there are something like 3500 laws are passed under the laws that are passed under the radar without any kind of scrutiny from from the houses of either house, the houses of

parliament, statutory instrument and civil servants just pushing these through. and we're losing a heck of a lot of scrutiny. well let me get peter edwards on on that one. what do you think, tetete— on that one. what do you think, peter? there's— on that one. what do you think, peter? there's no— on that one. what do you think, peter? there's no case- 0“ what do you think, peter? there's no case for tewwe— peter? there's no case for having political appointees teete— having political appointees these nature— having political appointees these nature . _ having political appointees these nature . 2 having political appointees these nature. 2 g these nature. steve pound put it brilliantly of the brilliantly in. one of the examples quoted america, examples he quoted was america, where and more where there's more and more gridlock legislatures . gridlock in the legislatures. there's just there's no for case it at all. and as steve alluded to, there's already special advisers known as spads. so in the last 30 years, from blair to cameron to now, number of cameron to now, the number of those increased. the those has increased. the salaries have increased. some spads work directly the spads who work directly for the secretary are paid more secretary of state are paid more than in some so than 100 grand in some cases. so there's already a politicised class of official who have loyalty their boss and in 99% loyalty to their boss and in 99% of cases to the party as well . of cases to the party as well. there's just no case for this. there's just no case for this. the virtue of the british constitution and steve prayed in aid. lord hennessy of nympsfield is independence is expertise. and of course, it gets it wrong some of the time, just like we do in all professions. let's get martin on. martin well, i think we ten-t—

martin on. martin well, i think we ten-t went— martin on. martin well, i think we don't want to— martin on. martin well, i think we don't want to go— ma”. 1“ 1“ martin well, i think we don't want to go from a ettwettew— we don't want to go from a situation of— we don't want to go from a situation of yes,— we don't want to go from a situation of yes, minister to yes— situation of yes, minister to yes-ves— situation of yes, minister to yee-yee i situation of yes, minister to yes yes women. so yes men or yes women. so surround yourselves by people we— surround yourselves by people wee-ttwe— surround yourselves by people wee-ttwt te— surround yourselves by people who-fawn to you- surround yourselves by people who fawn to you and agree who who fawn to you and agree with — who who fawn to you and agree with ttt— who who fawn to you and agree with at yew— who who fawn to you and agree with at yew ety— who who fawn to you and agree with all you say and tug their teteteete. — with all you say and tug their forelocks. that's— with all you say and tug their forelocks. that's also bad . why forelocks. that's also bad. why not forelocks. that's also bad. why net 90— forelocks. that's also bad. why wet ge tet— forelocks. that's also bad. why wet ge tet e— forelocks. that's also bad. why not go for a sort— forelocks. that's also bad. why not go for a sort of— forelocks. that's also bad. why not go for a sort of jury type system— not go for a sort of jury type system? tt— not go for a sort of jury type system? if we— not go for a sort of jury type system? if we can appoint a tweetet— system? if we can appoint a teteweet jury— system? if we can appoint a balanced jury to _ system? if we can appoint a balanced jury to decide on individual— balanced jury to decide on individual cases, why not tweetet— individual cases, why not eeeetet e— individual cases, why not appoint a balanced civil service in appoint a balanced civil service tt tte— appoint a balanced civil service tn the high— appoint a balanced civil service in the high offices— appoint a balanced civil service in the high offices of the land? yew— in the high offices of the land? wew ewty— in the high offices of the land? wew ewty ttwe— in the high offices of the land? you only have to— in the high offices of the land? you only have to look at the at tte— you only have to look at the at the ttw— you only have to look at the at the ttwt et— you only have to look at the at the kind of list— you only have to look at the at the kind of list of— you only have to look at the at the kind of list of scalps that are the kind of list of scalps that being— the kind of list of scalps that are being claimed by the blob ent— are being claimed by the blob eet ttt— are being claimed by the blob and priti patel— are being claimed by the blob and priti patel ,_ are being claimed by the blob and priti patel, dominic raab, tettt— and priti patel, dominic raab, boris johnson— and priti patel, dominic raab, boris johnson ,_ and priti patel, dominic raab, boris johnson , partygate and boris johnson, partygate and tent— boris johnson, partygate and tent page— boris johnson, partygate and tent page et— boris johnson, partygate and front page of the express today. teet— front page of the express today. teet. tteyte— front page of the express today. look, they're going for sewell braverman next.— look, they're going for sewell braverman next. they're fearing ttwt— braverman next. they're fearing that they— braverman next. they're fearing that they ete— braverman next. they're fearing that they are politically motivated _ that they are politically motivated in- that they are politically motivated in their attacks and teet— motivated in their attacks and ttet tweete— motivated in their attacks and ttet tweets .— motivated in their attacks and their targets , specifically their targets, specifically etewe— their targets, specifically along lines— their targets, specifically along lines of- their targets, specifically along lines of policies that they— along lines of policies that they ten-t— along lines of policies that they don't agree with. brexit tmmtewtew— they don't agree with. brexit immigration, deportation . with immigration, deportation. with ttwt— immigration, deportation. with that tt— immigration, deportation. with that tt wtnt.— immigration, deportation. with that in mind, why not have a ttw— that in mind, why not have a ttwt et— that in mind, why not have a kind of vetting— that in mind, why not have a kind of vetting process, as you wewtt— kind of vetting process, as you wewtt tt— kind of vetting process, as you wewtt tt ety— kind of vetting process, as you would in any ordinary business? s would in any ordinary business? s se— would in any ordinary business? s se yew— would in any ordinary business? s se yew ttwe— would in any ordinary business? s so you have due— would in any ordinary business? s so you have due impartiality? we s so you have due impartiality? we eteewy— s so you have due impartiality? we eteewy te— s so you have due impartiality? we clearly do not— s so you have due impartiality? we clearly do not at the moment. ant— we clearly do not at the moment. ant wentnte— we clearly do not at the moment. and dominic raab— we clearly do not at the moment. and dominic raab took a swipe at the tenet—

and dominic raab took a swipe at the senior civil— and dominic raab took a swipe at the senior civil servants, not tne— the senior civil servants, not the juniors— the senior civil servants, not the juniors, the— the senior civil servants, not the juniors, the seniors who've teen— the juniors, the seniors who've teen wnewt— the juniors, the seniors who've been around since— the juniors, the seniors who've been around since the days of ttwt— been around since the days of ttwt ete— been around since the days of blair are they— been around since the days of blair are they doing blair's ttty— blair are they doing blair's ttty wett— blair are they doing blair's dirty work for— blair are they doing blair's dirty work for the labour party? sttt— dirty work for the labour party? stu te— dirty work for the labour party? stu te tnte— dirty work for the labour party? still to this day— dirty work for the labour party? still to this day 7— dirty work for the labour party? still to this day ? as long as still to this day? as long as tntt— still to this day? as long as that wntt— still to this day? as long as that whiff suspicion is that whiff of suspicion is wnewt— that whiff of suspicion is around,ithink- that whiff of suspicion is around, think the public have around, i think the public have around, i think the public have e-te— around, i think the public have e-te eet— around, i think the public have a-to ask-demand- around, i think the public have a to ask demand and a right to ask and demand and for a right to ask and demand and ten eeme— a right to ask and demand and for some political— a right to ask and demand and for some political impartiality. wntt— for some political impartiality.- wntt—tnewene what about what about, though? teeewse—eteth because. okay, so what about mark sawatzky ? now? he's the mark sawatzky? now? he's the head of the csu and he specifically said, which is the civil union, civil servants union, he specifically wanted specifically said that he wanted to bring the government down. the not having the problem with not having civil who are of civil servants who are kind of on your is that if they on your side is that if they decide try bring you down decide to try and bring you down because they are mostly from the opposing we have a opposing party, then we have a problem. you problem. stephen. i mean, you can't can't the whole can't you can't judge the whole of the civil service by mark serwotka. but look, he's the head union. i mean head of the union. i mean that's, no. i know, that's, that's a big no. i know, but a bigjob. he that's, that's a big no. i know, but a big job. he doesn't but he's a big job. he doesn't have a switch— but he's a big job. he doesn't have a switch on— g he doesn't have a switch on people's brains to have a switch on people's brains te ety— have a switch on people's brains te eey tntt— have a switch on people's brains te eey tnet tney— have a switch on people's brains to say that they should actually fall to say that they should actually tett tn— to say that they should actually tett tn ttne— to say that they should actually fall in line with— to say that they should actually fall in line with him. mark seb tettt— fall in line with him. mark seb eette te— fall in line with him. mark seb gorka is appointed by a very, very— gorka is appointed by a very, very-nettenteee- gorka is appointed by a very, very percentage people. very small percentage of people. but very small percentage of people. ttwt—en- very small percentage of people. ttwt—en wt.- very small percentage of people. ttwt—en wt. ll but look, when i was an mp, i net— but look, when i was an mp, i netletett— but look, when i was an mp, i hadlstafflabout- but look, when i was an mp, i hadlstafflabout 3- but look, when i was an mp, i had staff about 3 or 4 had a staff of about 3 or 4 neente— had a staff of about 3 or 4 neente ent— had a staff of about 3 or 4 people and obviously prefer people and obviously i'd prefer tten— people and obviously i'd prefer them sympathetic to my them to be sympathetic to my

netttteet— them to be sympathetic to my political-my— them to be sympathetic to my political my views, but political party, my views, but i went— political party, my views, but i didn't actually— political party, my views, but i didn't actually appoint them on tntt— didn't actually appoint them on ttwt-ant— didn't actually appoint them on that-andlthink- didn't actually appoint them on that and think lot of that basis. and i think a lot of we-nete— that basis. and i think a lot of we-nete te— that basis. and i think a lot of we-here is just— that basis. and i think a lot of we here is just bad we got here is just bad management. people we got here is just bad- management.-people in my management. i had people in my etttee— management. i had people in my etttee wne— management. i had people in my office who were— management. i had people in my office who were not— management. i had people in my office who were not labour sweeteners— office who were not labour supporters, but— office who were not labour supporters, but they were good at tnet— supporters, but they were good at wet-ant— supporters, but they were good at their-and i— supporters, but they were good at their and i think if you at their job. and i think if you meeee— at their job. and i think if you meneee meee— at their job. and i think if you manage those properly, manage those staff properly, tten— manage those staff properly, tnen yewte— manage those staff properly, then you're doing job then you're doing the job neeetty— then you're doing the job properly--as- properly. but as for politicisation, it is not eetttteet— politicisation, it is not. political—call politicisation, it is not- political_call out political to actually call out meemet— political to actually call out incompr_wherel political to actually call out. incompr_where you political to actually call out- incompr_where you see incompr stance and where you see meemeetenee— incompetence in the civil service.— incompetence in the civil- sente—twente service, you know, the rwanda plant— service, you know, the rwanda wen-et— service, you know, the rwanda wen-en tne— service, you know, the rwanda plan, of the nonsense plan, a lot of the nonsense met-e— plan, a lot of the nonsense tnet-e eeme— plan, a lot of the nonsense that's going on— plan, a lot of the nonsense that's going on at the moment met— that's going on at the moment me te— that's going on at the moment me it met— that's going on at the moment me it met m— that's going on at the moment that is not in that— that's going on at the moment that is not in that is doing yew— that is not in that is doing yew tet— that is not in that is doing yourjob properly. and as far as your job properly. and as far as m — your job properly. and as far as i'm concerned,— your job properly. and as far as i'm concerned, dominic was i'm concerned, dominic raab was a i'm concerned, dominic raab was e-meneeen — i'm concerned, dominic raab was e-meneeen wee.— i'm concerned, dominic raab was a-manager. yes, but- i'm concerned, dominic raab was a manager. 114155 1“ a bad manager. yes, but stephen, when raab out when dominic raab called out incompetence in the civil service deploying spanish service over deploying spanish troops gibraltar troops on the on the gibraltar mainland, called a bully mainland, he was called a bully and removed from post. so and removed from his post. so how he do it? that's the how did he do it? that's the tent.— how did he do it? that's the tent. we— how did he do it? that's the tent. we ee— how did he do it? that's the point. he was it. - how did he do it? that's the point. he was it. he- 2 2 20 7 that's the point. he was it. »15 point. he was it. he was eteettwe— point. he was it. he was abrasive. suzanne yeah. i mean, i was hearing a story— abrasive. suzanne yeah. i mean, i was hearing a story just- i was hearing a story just a eewete— i was hearing a story just a eewete et— i was hearing a story just a couple of weeks- i was hearing a story just a couple of weeks ago from someone wne— couple of weeks ago from someone wee—ttwt— couple of weeks ago from someone wee—ttwt eetwee- who works in the civil service. they— who works in the civil service. tney-eemeene— who works in the civil service. they-someone in- who works in the civil service. they someone in their office they had someone in their office wne— they had someone in their office wee-eemetmme- they had someone in their office who performing they who wasn't performing what they ween-t— who wasn't performing what they weent—tee. - who wasn't performing what they weent—tee. sne- weren't doing their job. she mete—ttwt- weren't doing their job. shei made—echr got made a complaint echr got tnwetwet— made a complaint echr got involved. everybody agreed with net. — involved. everybody agreed with net. .the— involved. everybody agreed with her.-this person— involved. everybody agreed with her. this person was just her. but this person was just enewet— her. but this person was just shoved sideways. it is shoved on sideways. it is eetwetty— shoved on sideways. it is actually difficult with actually very difficult with twent—

actually very difficult with tween-nt— actually very difficult with curren' rid people actually very difficult with curren' rid . people not to get rid of people who are not eeet— to get rid of people who are not eeet ent— to get rid of people who are not eeet ent net— to get rid of people who are not good and not performing and the ttwt— good and not performing and the ttwt eetwee— good and not performing and the civil service is— good and not performing and the civil service is no— good and not performing and the civil service is no different. ant— civil service is no different. ant-wnet- civil service is no different. and what martin said is and i think what martin said is winem— and i think what martin said is brilliant. we've— and i think what martin said is brilliant. we've got have brilliant. we've got to have wnt— brilliant. we've got to have some kind selection procedure some kind of selection procedure for some kind of selection procedure tee—tney- some kind of selection procedure tee—tney neet- for civil servants. they need to be for civil servants. they need to tee-yew— for civil servants. they need to te-wew-et- for civil servants. they need to te-wew-et tnel be tested. you know, at the memet— be tested. you know, at the moment,.they- be tested. you know, at the moment,.they if- be tested. you know, at the moment, they if they overstep moment, if they if they overstep the moment, if they if they overstep tne- . — moment, if they if they overstep tne-t meem— moment, if they if they overstep the-i mean, think- moment, if they if they overstep the i mean, think of the mark, i mean, think of eemetnme— the mark, i mean, think of something someone like the something like someone like the fermen— former head of the civil eetwee— former head of the civil service, o'donnell, who former head of the civil servi

have pre appointment hearings tte—tt- have pre appointment hearings tte—t we- like in the us. well if we etteety— like in the us. well if we already complain about civil like in the us. well if we already beinglain about civil like in the us. well if we already being too about civil like in the us. well if we already being too slowt civil like in the us. well if we already being too slow at civil like in the us. well if we already being too slow at timesl service being too slow at times wte— service being too slow at times tte-cowe— service being too slow at times like-covid, that— service being too slow at times like covid, that will slow like in covid, that will slow tnmee— like in covid, that will slow tnmee tewn— like in covid, that will slow things down even more. finally mete— things down even more. finally there te— things down even more. finally there te ne— things down even more. finally there is no evidence at all that there is no evidence at all that the complainants— there is no evidence at all that the complainants in the raab net— the complainants in the raab case had anything to do with an eet—ment— case had anything to do with an anti—brexit conspiracy. brexit anti —brexit conspiracy. brexit nee— anti—brexit conspiracy. brexit nee neeeenet— anti—brexit conspiracy. brexit nee neeeenet .— anti—brexit conspiracy. brexit has happened , a hard brexit has has happened, a hard brexit has neeeenet.— has happened, a hard brexit has happened. dominic raab broke the wee— happened. dominic raab broke the wee ent— happened. dominic raab broke the wee met me— happened. dominic raab broke the rules and he resigned before he eeetet— rules and he resigned before he was sacked. all— rules and he resigned before he was sacked. all right, well, tete— was sacked. all right, well, tet-e — was sacked. all right, well, let's see. let's- was sacked. all right, well, let's see. 915. was sacked. all right, well, let's see. 95. was sacked. all right, well, let's see. 91g. let's see. let's get let's see what your thoughts are then i'm going ask each of you, should going to ask each of you, should the service partial or the civil service be partial or impartial? should it be impartial, so what do impartial, impartial? so what do you should you think it should be impartial. think we need impartial. and i think we need tetenee— impartial. and i think we need tetenee-we— impartial. and i think we need balance-we should- impartial. and i think we need balance-we should as- and i think we need balance we should as i said, balance and we should as i said, newe— balance and we should as i said, newe e— balance and we should as i said, have a selection— balance and we should as i said, have a selection process, not to wetent— have a selection process, not to wetent-eetty-e- have a selection process, not to weight party's favour, weight it in one party's favour, ewt— weight it in one party's favour, twt te— weight it in one party's favour, twt te ewt— weight it in one party's favour, twt te twt te— weight it in one party's favour, but to but to ascertain in tetenee— but to but to ascertain in balance. so— but to but to ascertain in balance. so therefore, decisions te— balance. so therefore, decisions te. te— balance. so therefore, decisions can be, can be, can— balance. so therefore, decisions can be, can be, can be judged in tetenee— can be, can be, can be judged in tetenee ent— can be, can be, can be judged in balance and not— can be, can be, can be judged in balance and not in— can be, can be, can be judged in balance and not in bias. so enewe— balance and not in bias. so enewtt tney— balance and not in bias. so should they be— balance and not in bias. so should they be allowed to pick met— should they be allowed to pick tnet ew— should they be allowed to pick their own civil— should they be allowed to pick their own civil servants? 114150 their own civil servants? yes or net .— their own civil servants? yes or net . tnmt— their own civil servants? yes or no? i think both— their own civil servants? 114150 “07 i think both parties, the no? i think both parties, the tem— no? i think both parties, the teeth mete— “07 i think both parties, the both major parties should be mwewet— both major parties should be mwetwet m— both major parties should be involved in this— both major parties should be involved in this process. and tney— involved in this process. and no, they shouldn't be allowed to eneeee— no, they shouldn't be allowed to eneeee met— no, they shouldn't be allowed to choose their own— no, they shouldn't be allowed to choose their own shouldn't. but mete— choose their own shouldn't. but there enewtt— choose their own shouldn't. but there should-a— choose their own shouldn't. but there should a selection there should be a selection eteeeee— there should be a selection eteeeee te— there should be a selection

process to ensure neutrality. stewe— process to ensure neutrality. stewtt—tel process to ensure neutrality. i stewtt—te met should they be allowed to pick their people? yes or no? their own people? yes or no? absolutely not. and peter, absolutely not. no. and peter, absolutely not. and i'm tenemen— absolutely not. and i'm delighted that- and i'm delighted that there's right delighted that there's a right of delighted that there's a right et tetetee— delighted that there's a right of redress servants of redress for civil servants we-wne — of redress for civil servants we-wne teen— of redress for civil servants who've been - by l of redress for civil servants. who've been - by their who've been wronged by their eetttteet— who've been wronged by their political—don't. who've been wronged by their- political_don't want political masters. we don't want political eunuchs in the civil service, as that. okay service, as simple as that. okay well, i think we've got a load of well, i think we've got a load et mem— well, i think we've got a load of them anyway.— well, i think we've got a load of them anyway. steve bell, ment— of them anyway. steve bell, tnent yew— of them anyway. steve bell, thank you-much.- of them anyway. steve bell, thank you much. steve thank you very much. steve mete— thank you very much. steve there were— thank you very much. steve mete e— thank you very much. steve there were a lot— thank you very much. steve there were a lot less- thank you very much. steve there were a lot less trouble if they stephen no, they were stephen powis oh no, that's sorry. labour mp that's mps sorry. labour mp stennen— that's mps sorry. labour mp stephen pound— that's mps sorry. labour mp stephen pound thank- labour mp stephen pound thank you so much. wettn— stephen pound thank you so much. wettn wewtney— stephen pound thank you so much. martin daubney news martin daubney gb news contributor— contributor and peter edwards. ment— contributor and peter edwards. memt-ee— contributor and peter edwards. thank-so much.- contributor and peter edwards. thank so much. and susan thank you so much. and susan ttwette— thank you so much. and susan edwards evans— thank you so much. and susan edwards evans even who tteeeeeetet. — edwards evans even who- disappeared. _very disappeared. thank you very mwet— disappeared. thank you very much, with disappeared. thank you very much,inana with disappeared. thank you very much,inana akua. with disappeared. thank you very much, nana akua. this with disappeared. thank you very much, nana akua. this is with disappeared. thank you very much, nana akua. this is gb th me. i'm nana akua. this is gb wewe— me. i'm nana akua. this is gb wewe en— me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on .online_ me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on online and on digital news on tv online and on digital teete— news on tv online and on digital tette. atten— news on tv online and on digital radio. after-break,— news on tv online and on digital radio. after break, we'll radio. after the break, we'll eentmwe— radio. after the break, we'll continue-great. radio. after the break, we'll- continue-great british continue with that great british wetete— continue with that great british eeme-new.— continue with that great british debate-hour. and- debate this hour. and i'm eetme— debate this hour. and i'm asking, should— debate this hour. and i'm asking, should ministers able asking, should ministers be able to asking, should ministers be able te—etwt— to pick their own civil eementee— to pick their own civil servants? you'll hear the tnewente— servants? you'll hear the thoughts panel, author servants? you'll hear the- thoughts-panel, author and thoughts of my panel, author and tweeteeetet— thoughts of my panel, author and broadcaster christine hamilton and broadcaster christine hamilton ene—ent- and also journalist and broadcaster— and also journalist and broaclet'str_ and also journalist and broaclet's get your latest first, let's get your latest news-. 4:34.�* first, let's get your latest- news-. 4:34. here's the news headlines. 4:34. here's the latest from the gb newsroom. an alert has been heard on most smartphones across the uk as part of a government trial . at

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changes in the rules would help te ewett e— changes in the rules would help to avoid a repeat— changes in the rules would help to avoid a repeat the raab to avoid a repeat of the raab case, where the— to avoid a repeat of the raab case, where the now deputy prime wtntetet— case, where the now deputy prime minister claimed— case, where the now deputy prime minister claimed activist civil eemente— minister claimed activist civil eemente — minister claimed activist civil servants were acting against mm.— servants were acting against mm. twt— servants were acting against mm. twt te— servants were acting against him. but is this— servants were acting against him. but is this the solution ? him. but is this the solution? wten— him. but is this the solution? when tte— him. but is this the solution? when the civil— him. but is this the solution? when the civil servant is meant to when the civil servant is meant te te— when the civil servant is meant to be impartial?— when the civil servant is meant to be impartial? so for the meet—tntel to be impartial? so for the- great_this hour, great british debate, this hour, i'm great british debate, this hour, t-m eetme— great british debate, this hour, i'm asking should ministers pick ttet— i'm asking should ministers pick their-servants?- i'm asking should ministers pick their servants? well, their own civil servants? well, tete— their own civil servants? well, tet-e—tenet- their own civil servants? well,| let's—panel make their own civil servants? well, i let's—panel make of let's see what my panel make of wet.— let's see what my panel make of met-tenet— let's see what my panel make of that.-joined now— let's see what my panel make of that.-joined now by- that. i'm joined now by broadcaster— that. i'm joined now by broadcaster author that. i'm joined now by- broadcaster. author christine broadcaster and author christine wemtten.—enti hamilton, also a journalist and tteeteeetet— hamilton, also a journalist and broadcaster, kelly. broadcaster, danny kelly. ttnettne— broadcaster, danny kelly. . christine—come broadcaster, danny kelly. - christine—come to christine i'm going to come to you— christine i'm going to come to yew-ewey— christine i'm going to come to you-away because- you straight away because you've got you straight away because you've eet-eweeeme- you straight away because you've got-experience in- got a lot of experience in eew.emment — got a lot of experience in government. what you have? government. what do you have? ttnettne— government. what do you have? christine—none.- christine absolutely none. as a ttwt— christine absolutely none. as a ttwt eement— christine absolutely none. as a ttwt eement .— christine absolutely none. as a civil servant , i— christine absolutely none. as a civil servant, i couldn't i've never understood how a civil eement— never understood how a civil eement eewtt— never understood how a civil servant could could so servant could could be so newttet— servant could could be so neutral non—political as neutral and non—political as i newe— neutral and non—political as i tewe teen— neutral and non—political as i tewe teen e— neutral and non—political as i have been a political animal all my tte.— have been a political animal all my tte. twt— have been a political animal all my life. but anyway, put that to ente.— my life. but anyway, put that to ette. we— my life. but anyway, put that to one side. ms sisters, the civil eetwee— one side. ms sisters, the civil service advise _ one side. ms sisters, the civil service advise and the ministers tettte— service advise and the ministers tettte. ant— service advise and the ministers decide. and the— service advise and the ministers decide. and the ministers take a net— decide. and the ministers take a net et— decide. and the ministers take a net et e— decide. and the ministers take a hell of a responsible motty and tney— hell of a responsible motty and they ee— hell of a responsible motty and tney teeme— hell of a responsible motty and they are basing the actions and they are basing the actions and the decisions— they are basing the actions and the decisions that— they are basing the actions and the decisions that they take on the decisions that they take on tte etwee — the decisions that they take on the advice that— the decisions that they take on the advice that they've been given— the advice that they've been etwen ent— the advice that they've been etwen ene very— the advice that they've been given and very often a new mmtetet— given and very often a new minister will— given and very often a new minister will arrive and with in 48 minister will arrive and with in we newe— minister will arrive and with in 48 hours notice,— minister will arrive and with in 48 hours notice, sometimes less. wee— 48 hours notice, sometimes less. we-e en— 48 hours notice, sometimes less. we-e en tte— 48 hours notice, sometimes less. he's on the floor— 48 hours notice, sometimes less. he's on the floor of— 48 hours notice, sometimes less. he's on the floor of the house of he's on the floor of the house et cemmene— he's on the floor of the house of commons answering questions etewt—tetee-

of commons answering questions etewt—tetee eni about something so he relies on exetenene— about something so he relies on eeetenene .— about something so he relies on experience . people who i mean experience. people who i mean the experience. people who i mean tte teten— experience. people who i mean the british civil— experience. people who i mean the british civil service used to the british civil service used te te— the british civil service used te te wttett— the british civil service used to be upheld as— the british civil service used to be upheld as the best in the wettt.— to be upheld as the best in the went. ant— to be upheld as the best in the went. ant te— to be upheld as the best in the world. and to be— to be upheld as the best in the world. and to be copied ewenywnete— world. and to be copied everywhere it- world. and to be copied everywhere it was at its best. mete— everywhere it was at its best. ttete te— everywhere it was at its best. there is none— everywhere it was at its best. there is none better. ' “2 there is none better. and mmtetete— there is none better. and ministers can— there is none better. and ministers can counteract the impartiality. motty ministers can counteract the impartiality . motty by having impartiality. motty by having one impartiality. motty by having et— impartiality. motty by having et yew— t; motty by having one of your panellists just now mentenet— one of your panellists just now mentenet. ty— one of your panellists just now mentioned, by having special etweete— mentioned, by having special advisers and— mentioned, by having special advisers and i— mentioned, by having special advisers and i mean margaret ttetetet— advisers and i mean margaret ttetetet tet— advisers and i mean margaret thatcher, for example. this ween-t— thatcher, for example. this ween-t te— thatcher, for example. this wasn't to counteract the civil eetwee — wasn't to counteract the civil eetwee tnte— wasn't to counteract the civil service, this was— wasn't to counteract the civil service, this was to counteract wteet— service, this was to counteract wteet teee— service, this was to counteract nigel lawson, who she thought tte— nigel lawson, who she thought was the secretly— nigel lawson, who she thought was the secretly shadowing the meet.— was the secretly shadowing the mem. tnt— was the secretly shadowing the mark. and she— was the secretly shadowing the mark. and she brought in alan wettete— mark. and she brought in alan wettete ee— mark. and she brought in alan walters as her— mark. and she brought in alan walters as her special adviser to walters as her special adviser te eteet— walters as her special adviser te eteet ttm — walters as her special adviser to shoot him down. but they they can to shoot him down. but they they tttne— to shoot him down. but they they tttne m— to shoot him down. but they they can bring in their— to shoot him down. but they they can bring in their own political teete— can bring in their own political teette. t— can bring in their own political teette. t wewtt— can bring in their own political people. i would not be happy etewt— people. i would not be happy etewt tte— people. i would not be happy about the civil— people. i would not be happy about the civil service being tetttteteet. — about the civil service being politicised. we're only talking tete— politicised. we're only talking tet-e te— politicised. we're only talking let's be honest— politicised. we're only talking let's be honest about the senior eetetene— let's be honest about the senior echelons, because— let's be honest about the senior echelons, because the vast metenty— echelons, because the vast metenty et— echelons, because the vast majority of people who work in the majority of people who work in tte ttwt— majority of people who work in the civil service— majority of people who work in the civil service never come tnte— the civil service never come mte eenteet— the civil service never come into contact with— the civil service never come into contact with the minister. i into contact with the minister. t meem— into contact with the minister. t tney— into contact with the minister. i mean, they might produce tetete— i mean, they might produce tetete ent— i mean, they might produce papers and things, but they all newe— papers and things, but they all tewelee— papers and things, but they all have-go through— papers and things, but they all have go through dominic have to go through dominic cwmmmee— have to go through dominic- cwmmmee—mete cummings case, it was the more eemen-te— cummings case, it was the more eemen-me eett-

cummings case, it was the more senior-he said and- cummings case, it was the more senior he said and he senior ones that he said and he eett— senior ones that he said and he eet—tney- senior ones that he said and he eett—ttey-ttei said specifically they were the ones—were the l said specifically they were the. ones—were the kind ones who actually were the kind of ones who actually were the kind et—et— ones who actually were the kind et—et et— ones who actually were the kind of_of all-that.- of instigators of all of that. met— of instigators of all of that. the wee— of instigators of all of that. the m— of instigators of all of that. that was, in his— of instigators of all of that. that was, in his view, that's wtet— that was, in his view, that's wtet te— that was, in his view, that's what he said— that was, in his view, that's what he said when he was interviewed— what he said when he was interviewed utley. what he said when he was- interviewed-utley. the interviewed by olivia utley. the eewettwe— interviewed by olivia utley. the exclusive interview that we had tete— exclusive interview that we had mete—tntetl here on gb news, the british emteeeetet— here on gb news, the british ambassador-so- here on gb news, the british ambassador so that's ambassador to spain. so that's the ambassador to spain. so that's tte tttne.— ambassador to spain. so that's me tttne. tnt— ambassador to spain. so that's the thing. and it's— ambassador to spain. so that's the thing. and it's not that if you— the thing. and it's not that if yew-yew— the thing. and it's not that if yew-yew ew- the thing. and it's not that if you your own civil servant, you pick your own civil servant, ttet— you pick your own civil servant, met-ene— you pick your own civil servant,i that-one-absolutely that you pick one who absolutely eeeee— that you pick one who absolutely eeteee-wew— that you pick one who absolutely agrees-you might- that you pick one who absolutely agrees you might be agrees with you. you might be we— agrees with you. you might be wee—tten- agrees with you. you might be. wtee—ttet-wte wise enough to pick people who eewe— wise enough to pick people who eewtt etwe— wise enough to pick people who eewtt etwe yew— wise enough to pick people who could give you good advice. teeny.— could give you good advice. teeny-yew- could give you good advice.- danny,-you-should danny, what do you think? should tney— danny, what do you think? should they—wett— danny, what do you think? should ttey—ttett — danny, what do you think? should ttey—ttett wett- danny, what do you think? should they—pick? well, i- they be able to pick? well, i ttmt— they be able to pick? well, i ttmt tt— they be able to pick? well, i think if dominic rob, i think dominic is a is decent dominic raab is a is a decent human being. and i've been tnte— human being. and i've been across this probably- human being. and i've been across this probably a- “01“ “9 and i've been across this probably a touch eneeent. — across this probably a touch eneeent. te— across this probably a touch arrogant. do you- across this probably a touch arrogant. �*j0 “

thought he was a real ambassador for although some for that position, although some people remind him of people might remind him of afghanistan, whether he was on houday afghanistan, whether he was on holiday in holiday or was he on holiday in kabul holiday or was he on holiday in kabul, fell well, he's a human being he's a being who being and he's a human being who goes holidays. and goes away on holidays. and sometimes-there's- goes away on holidays. andi sometimes-there'slbig goes away on holidays. andi someyeah.-there'slbig goes away on holidays. andi someyeah but-there'slbig someyeah butjustiere's big someyeah but just going big someyeah but just going back to yeah yeah but just going back to if yeah yeah but just going back to tt-teet— yeah yeah but just going back to tt-teet weet.— yeah yeah but just going back to if-raab yeah, if- yeah yeah but just going back to if raab yeah, if raab if dominic raab yeah, if raab eeye— if dominic raab yeah, if raab eeye ttet— if dominic raab yeah, if raab eeye met—wee- if dominic raab yeah, if raab. says that—was having says that he was, he was having to says that he was, he was having te—etwt- to battle against civil eetwente— to battle against civil servants, say, to battle against civil- servants,-say, okay, i'm servants, then i say, okay, i'm going— servants, then i say, okay, i'm eetneleeeett— servants, then i say, okay, i'm going-accept that- servants, then i say, okay, i'm going accept that version of going to accept that version of ewenet — going to accept that version of events. _raab,- going to accept that version of events. _raab, if- going to accept that version of events. _raab, if youl going to accept that version of. events. _raab, if you are events. and mr raab, if you are battling against suborn battling against your suborn ordnance at ordnance mandarins at westminster, then yes, you should be able to get rid of them, but then have to look them, but then you have to look at logist tactically. okay, at it logist tactically. okay, so he's got a problem with civil servants. not a problem servants. a not a problem with civil servant b and he's starting worry civil starting to worry about civil servants. does he go about servants. c how does he go about replacing ? because needs replacing them? because he needs their of the their advice every day of the week. does he sack him and week. so does he sack him and then or then parachute then interview or then parachute somebody i think in in somebody in? i think in in theory great idea. i just theory it's a great idea. i just don't it's possible. so don't think it's possible. so you think that-should. don't think it's possible. so. you think that-should be you think that they should be ette— you think that they should be able_servants?| able p&o and civil servants? weet.— able p&o and civil servants? ween-et— able p&o and civil servants? yeah,-of agree- able p&o and civil servants? yeah, of agree with you, yeah, i kind of agree with you, denny.— yeah, i kind of agree with you, temy. en— yeah, i kind of agree with you, danny, on-respect,- yeah, i kind of agree with you, danny, on respect, i think danny, on that respect, i think teewee— danny, on that respect, i think because-because- danny, on that respect, i think because because was because just because if i was going— because just because if i was eeme-ttt— because just because if i was going-pick-team,- because just because if i was going pick team, so like, going to pick my team, so like, i going to pick my team, so like, i-guvse_ going to pick my team, so like, i-guvse i_ going to pick my team, so like, t-ewye t ten-t- going to pick my team, so like, i-guys, i don't pick. i pick you guys, i don't pick you— i pick you guys, i don't pick yew you guys because you agree with eeem— you guys because you agree with eeet ettet. — you guys because you agree with eeet ettet. t— you guys because you agree with each other. i pick— you guys because you agree with each other. i pick because each other. i pick you because yee— each other. i pick you because yew-we—etmtenel each other. i pick you because

yew-te—etmtenel each other. i pick you because you'i think opinions each other. i pick you because you'i think that opinions each other. i pick you because you'i think that a opinions each other. i pick you because you'i think that a ministeris and i think that a minister etewt— and i think that a minister etewtt te— and i think that a minister should be wise— and i think that a minister should be wise enough to pick teewe— should be wise enough to pick teette wte— should be wise enough to pick teette wne-etwe- should be wise enough to pick people who give him some people who will give him some teteneet— people who will give him some balanced _whoi balanced views, but also who he eete— balanced views, but also who he eete-ometwtee.- balanced views, but also who he gets otherwise, you're gets on with. otherwise, you're etwet— gets on with. otherwise, you're etwet wtn— gets on with. otherwise, you're stuck with - people - gets on with. otherwise, you're stuck with people who stuck with these people who meet— stuck with these people who ttetetty— t - stuck with these people who literally—i think stuck with these people who litewast_l think stuck with these people who litewas probably i think stuck with these people who litewas probably telling:hink he was probably telling the ttwtt— he was probably telling the truth _think- he was probably telling the. truth _think .was truth when he i think he was tettne— truth when he i think he was telling-truth.— truth when he i think he was telling truth. completely telling the truth. i completely eweeem— telling the truth. i completely ewetett—ti telling the truth. i completely- ewtten—t eett telling the truth. i completely- sthought_| said telling the truth. i completely- sthought it_l said telling the truth. i completely- sthought it was—i said telling the truth. i completely- sthought it was a-i said telling the truth. i completely sthought it was a touch i said i thought it was a touch eneeent. — i thought it was a touch arrogant. that- i thought it was a touch arrogant. that is not i do not ttnt— arrogant. that is not i do not tttnt ttet— arrogant. that is not i do not think that he— arrogant. that is not i do not think that he was— arrogant. that is not i do not think that he was was wrong in all think that he was was wrong in ett-en— think that he was was wrong in ett-en tte— think that he was was wrong in all-on his side.- think that he was was wrong in all on his side. but all this. i'm on his side. but mete-e— all this. i'm on his side. but there's continuity there's a great continuity eeteet— there's a great continuity aspect-civil. there's a great continuity- aspect-civil service aspect about the civil service ent—tte- and ministers. they're like tewetwme— and ministers. they're like revolving-and- and ministers. they're like. revolving-and-of and ministers. they're like- revolving-and-of them revolving doors and some of them are revolving doors and some of them ee—e tew- revolving doors and some of them are—a few months. i are there for only a few months. tnt— are there for only a few months. tnt-tent— are there for only a few months. and-don't-the- and if you don't have the eentmwtty— and if you don't have the continuity-civil. continuity of your civil eemente— continuity of your civil servants who - continuity of your civil servants who have been in that eeemment— servants who have been in that department dealing with whatever tentewtet— department dealing with whatever particular whether— department dealing with whatever particular whether it's housing or particular whether it's housing et teettt— particular whether it's housing et teettt et— particular whether it's housing or health or education, and they wnt— or health or education, and they wttt-teen— or health or education, and they will-been dealing- or health or education, and they will been dealing with a will have been dealing with a meme— will have been dealing with a mmwte tett— will have been dealing with a minute part of— will have been dealing with a minute part of any of those ewtteete. — minute part of any of those ewtteete. tt— minute part of any of those subjects. if you— minute part of any of those subjects. if you away with minute part of any of those sutthat, if you away with minute part of any of those sutthat, you ou away with minute part of any of those sutthat, you can't away with minute part of any of those sutthat, you can't startt with all that, you can't start eemme— all that, you can't start eentne yew— all that, you can't start- carting your-around carting your people around all the carting your people around all tte-etewt- carting your people around all the-should be- carting your people around all the should be able to. the time. you should be able to. met-e— the time. you should be able to. ttet-e wtet— the time. you should be able to. that's what the _ the time. you should be able to. that's what the spads there that's what the spads are there for. that's what the spads are there tet- wew— that's what the spads are there for. you should— that's what the spads are there for. you should be— that's what the spads are there for. you should be able to sort of for. you should be able to sort et-nt— for. you should be able to sort et-nt et— for. you should be able to sort of-rid of-ones- for. you should be able to sort of-rid of-ones that- for. you should be able to sort of rid of ones that you of get rid of the ones that you mew.— of get rid of the ones that you tnewlttmt— of get rid of the ones that you know.ithink that— of get rid of the ones that you know. think that be know. i think that it should be etmeet— know. i think that it should be almost-cyclical- know. i think that it should be almost cyclical potential almost like a cyclical potential of almost like a cyclical potential et—tte— almost like a cyclical potential et—tte wten- almost like a cyclical potential of_like when the. almost like a cyclical potential. of_like when the new of a job where like when the new mp of a job where like when the new ttt—een- of a job where like when the new mp_can choose. of a job where like when the new. mp_can choose who mp comes in, they can choose who tney— mp comes in, they can choose who they went— mp comes in, they can choose who they want within— mp comes in, they can choose who they want within their civil eetwee. — they want within their civil service, .they _ they want within their civil service, they will probably service, so they will probably wteety— service, so they will probably wteety-eeme— service, so they will probably wisely-somelthe- service, so they will probably wisely some the older

wisely keep some of the older ttete. — wisely keep some of the older ones there. but— wisely keep some of the older ones there. but i— wisely keep some of the older ones there. but i think some of the ones there. but i think some of tte-ete— ones there. but i think some of the-are definitely- the ones who are definitely eeemet— the ones who are definitely against—happvl the ones who are definitely- against_happy with against you are not happy with yew—wte-eetl your policies or who will get rid your policies or who will get ntlttem.— your policies or who will get rid them. difficult? rid of them. difficult? absolutely— rid of them. difficult? absolutely be to absolutely you should be able to remove _otherwise - absolutely you should be able to remove otherwise was remove them. otherwise as was eett— remove them. otherwise as was said-difficult— remove them. otherwise as was said,-difficult.get- said, it's difficult to get teette— said, it's difficult to get teewe-tet- said, it's difficult to get people job, so said, it's difficult to get- people-job, so perhaps people out of a job, so perhaps mete— people out of a job, so perhapsi there—opportunity there should be the opportunity wten—eemeel there should be the opportunity when—comes ini when a new minister comes in wet— when a new minister comes in ttet tney— when a new minister comes in ttet ttey en— when a new minister comes in that they can do _ when a new minister comes in that they can do that. conversely, - that they can do that. - conversely,-sometimes conversely, though, sometimes meee—ete- conversely, though, sometimes tteee—etetwetl these civil servants are just teteetwtet— parachuted into this position. they— parachuted into this position. ttey—nettme- parachuted into this position. they-nothing abouti they may know nothing about education, so they need to old heads to actually guide them through the first couple of weeks at work. i mean, who's the new prime minister? new deputy prime minister? oliver . dowden so new deputy prime minister? olivebeen . dowden so new deputy prime minister? olivebeen parachuted en so new deputy prime minister? olivebeen parachuted into so he's been parachuted into dominic raab's post and he needs he needs to hit the ground running good running and he needs a good civil servant to do that. but if they don't like— civil servant to do that. but if they don't like him,- civil servant to do that. but if they don't like him, if- 0 , - 20 but if they don't like him, if like, for they don't like him, if like, tet exempte— they don't like him, if like, for example, the of for example, in the case of pet — for example, in the case of pet tetet— for example, in the case of priti patel, i'm _ for example, in the case of priti patel, i'm pretty sure tney— priti patel, i'm pretty sure tney ewet— priti patel, i'm pretty sure they just-like - priti patel, i'm pretty sure they just like him, he they just didn't like him, he went— they just didn't like him, he didn't—there. they just didn't like him, he. didn't—there was didn't like her, and there was a succession of— didn't like her, and there was a succession of-look- didn't like her, and there was a succession of look at the succession of whom look at the tetetten— succession of whom look at the rotation . home _ succession of whom look at the rotation home secretaries rotation of home secretaries ttet— rotation of home secretaries. met—tte that we've had who didn't like meee.— that we've had who didn't like meee-wtnt- that we've had who didn't like these,-didn't like- that we've had who didn't like these, didn't like , like these, clearly didn't like, like tney— these, clearly didn't like, like ttey—tetetl they didn't like priti patel. they— they didn't like priti patel. ttey—tmtetl they didn't like priti patel. i they _amber rudd, they didn't like amber rudd, tney— they didn't like amber rudd, tney tttn-t— they didn't like amber rudd, they didn't like. _ they didn't like amber rudd, they didn't like. and feels they didn't like. and it feels tte— they didn't like. and it feels tte tteyte — they didn't like. and it feels like they're -you - they didn't like. and it feels like they're you know, like they're just, you know, eettme— like they're just, you know,- eetttne—ten-t getting rid of people that don't like getting rid of people that don't tte—teen- getting rid of people that don'ti like—been there like because they've been there for like because they've been there tee-twt— like because they've been there tee-twt tete— like because they've been there for-but let's see- like because they've been there for but let's see what for so long. but let's see what ew—ee tnte- for so long. but let's see whatj our_ as this show our viewers think as this show is our viewers think as this show te—ttem- our viewers think as this show

te—ttem. tet-ei is nothing without them. let's weteme— is nothing without them. let's welcome-british- welcome our great british wetee.— voices, their opportunity to be on voices, their opportunity to be en-etew. — voices, their opportunity to be on-show. _what- voices, their opportunity to bei on-show. _what they on the show. tell us what they ttnt— on the show. tell us what they tttnt etewt— on the show. tell us what they think about the _ on the show. tell us what they think about the topics we're tteeweeme. — think about the topics we're discussing. head to discussing. let's head over to sent— saint albans to speak to jackie. teewe— saint albans to speak to jackie. jackie semteen.— saint albans to speak to jackie. jackie sampson. hello jackie. weteme.— jackie sampson. hello jackie. welcome. _talk- jackie sampson. hello jackie. welcome. _talk to- jackie sampson. hello jackie. welcome. talk to you. welcome. good to talk to you. t-m — welcome. good to talk to you. t-m lttt— welcome. good to talk to you. t-m lttt tem— welcome. good to talk to you. i'm lbit torn about- welcome. good to talk to you. i'm bit torn about this i'm a bit torn about this teewee— i'm a bit torn about this because when- i'm a bit torn about this because when having because when i was having a ttttte— because when i was having a little - before _ because when i was having a little-before it- because when i was having a little before it seems to little read before it seems to be little read before it seems to te tte— little read before it seems to be the recruitment for civil eetwee — be the recruitment for civil eetwee te— be the recruitment for civil service is about— be the recruitment for civil service is about objectivity teme— service is about objectivity being neutral.— service is about objectivity being neutral. but i do see the meet— being neutral. but i do see the meet te— being neutral. but i do see the meet te tewe— being neutral. but i do see the need to have specialists and ewetenene— need to have specialists and experience around you . and i experience around you. and i ttnt— experience around you. and i tttnt tt— experience around you. and i think if ministers are too mwetwet— think if ministers are too involved in— think if ministers are too involved in selecting people, mete-e— involved in selecting people, there's always— involved in selecting people, there's always an allegation of etenytem— there's always an allegation of etenytem .— there's always an allegation of cronyism , though. the other cronyism, though. the other tttne— cronyism, though. the other tttne t— cronyism, though. the other tntne t teet— cronyism, though. the other thing i read is— cronyism, though. the other thing i read is that the prime tttntetet— thing i read is that the prime minister has— thing i read is that the prime minister has the— thing i read is that the prime minister has the ultimate say so in minister has the ultimate say so m tte— minister has the ultimate say so in the appointment. but then eeem— in the appointment. but then eeetm we— in the appointment. but then again, we didn't— in the appointment. but then again, we didn't vote for him. we— again, we didn't vote for him. we wetee— again, we didn't vote for him. we wetet tet— again, we didn't vote for him. we voted for a— again, we didn't vote for him. we voted for a party. but we ttt-t— we voted for a party. but we didn't actually— we voted for a party. but we didn't actually vote for the individual. _ didn't actually vote for the individual. so— didn't actually vote for the individual. “9 individual. so i'm thinking, yeah, the time and the place to have an input in the selection in. but hopefully to surround yeweett— in. but hopefully to surround yourself with— 1“ but hopefully to surround yourself with specialists who are objective _ yourself with specialists who are objective ,_ yourself with specialists who are objective , impartial and who are objective, impartial and who you are objective, impartial and who yew en— are objective, impartial and who yew twet. — are objective, impartial and who you can trust. so— are objective, impartial and who you can trust. so that sounds tte— you can trust. so that sounds tte e— you can trust. so that sounds tte e ttt— you can trust. so that sounds tte e ttt et— you can trust. so that sounds like a bit of a— you can trust. so that sounds like a bit of a utopia to me teeny.— like a bit of a utopia to me really, though,— like a bit of a utopia to me really, though, especially in me—

really, though, especially in tte neme— really, though, especially in the home office of civil teneme— the home office of civil servants who - the home office of civil servants who seem to be so tewemwt— servants who seem to be so powerful that— servants who seem to be so powerful that they get rid of teette— powerful that they get rid of teette .— powerful that they get rid of teette . tnt— powerful that they get rid of people . and that's what it looks people. and that's what it looks tte— people. and that's what it looks tte-me— people. and that's what it looks ttelmeltwt— people. and that's what it looks like-meibut-thank. like to me. but jackie, thank you— like to me. but jackie, thank yewlmwet— like to me. but jackie, thank yewlmwetlyew- like to me. but jackie, thank you much your thoughts. you so much for your thoughts. it's interesting— you so much for your thoughts. it's interesting and i'm wentenne— it's interesting and i'm wondering other people it's interesting and i'm- wondering-other people are wondering what other people are eeyme. — wondering what other people are eeyme. _temteenl wondering what other people are saying. great sampson. wondering what other people are saying. great british mpson. wondering what other people are saying. great british voicei. wondering what other people are saying. great british voice in she was a great british voice in sent— she was a great british voice in setnt-tetey. — she was a great british voice in saint-today. .been. saint albans today. i've been eetme— saint albans today. i've been asking-ministers- saint albans today. i've been asking ministers pick asking, should ministers pick ttet— their own civil servants? lots of their own civil servants? lots et—eettmei their own civil servants? lots et—eettme mi of you have been getting in tewet— of you have been getting in tewetlttee— of you have been getting in touch-bias us. - of you have been getting in touch bias us. i've worked in touch to bias us. i've worked in me— touch to bias us. i've worked in tte—wntte- touch to bias us. i've worked in the—while some. the military and while some ttwt— the military and while some etwtt—eeet- the military and while some civil—good, thei the military and while some civil are good, the the military and while some civil are ineffective,t bulk are really ineffective, inefficient— bulk are really ineffective, inefficient .— bulk are really ineffective, inefficient . and as they sit inefficient. and as they sit ewtette— inefficient. and as they sit outside our— inefficient. and as they sit outside our rank structure, tteyte— outside our rank structure, they're untouchable outside our rank structure,- they're-untouchable . they're virtually untouchable. tnt— they're virtually untouchable. tnt ten— they're virtually untouchable. tnt ten eeye— they're virtually untouchable. and ian says of— they're virtually untouchable. and ian says of course they etewtt. — and ian says of course they etewtt. ttey— and ian says of course they should. they should. when? when a new owner takes— should. they should. when? when a new owner takes over a private eemeeny— a new owner takes over a private eemteny. te — a new owner takes over a private company, he usually brings in his company, he usually brings in tte-teem— company, he usually brings in tte-teem et— company, he usually brings in his team of trusted his own team of trusted top managers—sure. his own team of trusted top. managers—sure it's managers in to make sure it's teme— managers in to make sure it's being properlv_ managers in to make sure it's being properly run and to restructure _ being properly run and to restructure isn't, restructure it. if it isn't, ttey— restructure it. if it isn't, ttety eeye.— restructure it. if it isn't, mary says, absolutely, ministers etewtt— mary says, absolutely, ministers should select— mary says, absolutely, ministers should select their civil should select their own civil eemente— should select their own civil servants and _ should select their own civil servants and left out servants and those left out etewt— servants and those left out should i sacked - servants and those left out should sacked out. yes, should be sacked out. yes, i tte— should be sacked out. yes, i tte met.— should be sacked out. yes, i tte ttet. t— should be sacked out. yes, i like that. i like— should be sacked out. yes, i like that. i like that's i'm ttnt— like that. i like that's i'm ttne et— like that. i like that's i'm kind of with— like that. i like that's i'm kind of with you. i would be we— kind of with you. i would be enewen— kind of with you. i would be wise enough to— kind of with you. i would be wise enough to choose people who ten-t— wise enough to choose people who ten-t tewe— wise enough to choose people who don't have exactly— wise enough to choose people who don't have exactly the same eemen— don't have exactly the same eemen-twt- don't have exactly the same opinion but make opinion of me, but i'd make sure ttet— opinion of me, but i'd make sure met-wtn— opinion of me, but i'd make sure that-with them.- opinion of me, but i'd make sure that with them. and if that i got on with them. and if i that i got on with them. and if t wtnt.— that i got on with them. and if i didn't, they're— that i got on with them. and if i didn't, they're gone. right? tete— i didn't, they're gone. right? let's—there's. let's have a look. there's a tett— let's have a look. there's a poll-throughoutl let's have a look. there's a. poll-throughout the poll on twitter throughout the day poll on twitter throughout the tey—tte- poll on twitter throughout the. day—the question day showing asking the question whether— day showing asking the question whether-should-

day showing asking the question whether should able day showing asking the question wipickr should able day showing asking the question wipick their should able day showing asking the question wipick their own should able day showing asking the question wipick their own civiluld able to pick their own civil eemente. — to pick their own civil servants. currently, to pick their own civil servants. - currently, of servants. and currently, 71% of you— servants. and currently, 71% of you-vest— servants. and currently, 71% of yew-yee. zet— servants. and currently, 71% of yew-yee. ttt et- servants. and currently, 71% of you yes, 29% of you say no. you say yes, 29% of you say no. wett— you say yes, 29% of you say no. wett yewte— you say yes, 29% of you say no. well, you're with— you say yes, 29% of you say no. well, you're with me. i'm nana ttwe— well, you're with me. i'm nana ttwe. tnte— well, you're with me. i'm nana ttwe. me te— well, you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb— well, you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv, entme— akua. this is gb news on tv, entne ent— akua. this is gb news on tv, online and digital radio. online and on digital radio. atten— online and on digital radio. tttet tte— online and on digital radio. after the break,— online and on digital radio. after the break, it's worldview. i'll after the break, it's worldview. ttt-ttnet— after the break, it's worldview. t-ttltetnet ty— after the break, it's worldview. i'll joined by political i'll be joined by political commentator— i'll be joined by political comiof ntator_ i'll be joined by political comiof the or— i'll be joined by political comiof the politics people host of the politics people teteeet. — host of the politics people podcast. duddridge, podcast. paul duddridge, to tteewee— podcast. paul duddridge, to discuss-stories- podcast. paul duddridge, to discuss stories from discuss the top stories from eewe— discuss the top stories from etewnt-ent- discuss the top stories from around-and on. discuss the top stories fromi around-and on the discuss the top stories from - around-and on the menu around the globe and on the menu . teete— around the globe and on the menu , loads-different— around the globe and on the menu , loads different stories, , loads of different stories, twt—et- , loads of different stories, but—at five- , loads of different stories, but—at five myi , loads of different stories,- but_at five my outside but coming up at five my outside my tetetnty— but coming up at five my outside my celebrity mystery guest will be my celebrity mystery guest will te m— my celebrity mystery guest will te m tte— my celebrity mystery guest will be in the studio.— my celebrity mystery guest will be in the studio. let me give you— be in the studio. let me give yew-ttwe— be in the studio. let me give yew-etwe .- be in the studio. let me give yew-etwe . m- be in the studio. let me give you clue . in 2000 be in the studio. let me give- you-clue . in 2000 2016, you another clue. in 2000 2016, he wee— you another clue. in 2000 2016, he e— you another clue. in 2000 2016, he was a contestant— you another clue. in 2000 2016, he was a contestant on channel tew— he was a contestant on channel tew te. — he was a contestant on channel tew te. tte— he was a contestant on channel four fs. the jump— he was a contestant on channel four fs. the jump and has teeentty— four fs. the jump and has recently lost— four fs. the jump and has recently lost a— four fs. the jump and has recently lost a staggering 15 eenet— recently lost a staggering 15 eenet wte— recently lost a staggering 15 stone. who is— recently lost a staggering 15 stone. who is he— recently lost a staggering 15 stone. who is he ? it's not danny stone. who is he? it's not danny

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said it's not the right time. jens stoltenberg himself said that all allied member states must agree. now that first bit is done. but there is another obstacle in the way. and if i was ukrainian, of course, jens stoltenberg , as i call him jens stoltenberg, as i call him jens stoltenberg, as i call him jens stoltenberg, as i call him jens stoltenberg, as you have to take stoltenberg, as i call him jens sto wordsrg, as you have to take stoltenberg, as i call him jens sto words with. you have to take stoltenberg, as i call him jens sto words with a ou have to take stoltenberg, as i call him jens sto words with a huge, le to take stoltenberg, as i call him jens sto words with a huge, huge :ake his words with a huge, huge pinch of salt. i wouldn't be reading too much into it. some are carrot are seeing this as a carrot dangled in front of ukraine and also to justify the us and billions of dollars from the us being pumped into ukraine with military aid also as a push to give ukraine momentum in the war. now, if we go back to 2008, nato agreed in principle that ukraine would become a member state. but there's nothing has been done about that. of course, as we know, this constitutes a huge, huge red line for russia. and russian reaction would and the russian reaction would be if that became a reality be huge if that became a reality . so basically, ukraine has to wtn— . so basically, ukraine has to we tetete— . so basically, ukraine has to win before they— so basically, ukraine has to win before they can even eenettet— win before they can even consider being- win before they can even consider being a member. so met-e— consider being a member. so mete-eteet.- consider being a member. sol that's-greatlmean that's that's not great. i mean , i that's that's not great. i mean . t-ttey— that's that's not great. i mean .t-tteylwtm- that's that's not great. i mean , i-they.win. but- that's that's not great. i mean , i they win. but you , i hope they do win. but you tnew— , i hope they do win. but you knew wtet— , i hope they do win. but you know what russia? they know what about russia? they temtet— know what about russia? they temtet-ewn— know what about russia? they bombed-own city,- know what about russia? they bombed own city, didn't

bombed their own city, didn't ttey— bombed their own city, didn't they e— bombed their own city, didn't tney e weet.— bombed their own city, didn't they ? yeah, this— bombed their own city, didn't they ? yeah, this is true . 1“ they? yeah, this is true. this is they? yeah, this is true. this te e— they? yeah, this is true. this te e utte— they? yeah, this is true. this is a little bit— they? yeah, this is true. this is a little bit of— they? yeah, this is true. this is a little bit of an embarrassing event for russia. of course, i mean, this was in belgorod, which is around about 40km away from the ukrainian border. it's not out of the ordinary for things like this to happenin ordinary for things like this to happen in belgorod is it's a huge logistically important town place for the russian army. and in the early days of the war, there were a lot of battles there. there were a lot of attacks in ukraine side. but this is a sukhoi 34 jet that is accidentally bombed. belgorod now, there weren't any casualties, only two people injured , but there have been injured, but there have been around about three dozen deaths since the start of the war in belgrade alone. as those attacks go on, of ukrainian drones, go on, lots of ukrainian drones, ukrainian helicopters , ukrainian ukrainian helicopters, ukrainian attacks on that city. yeah, and of course, these things do happen as we remember, the ukrainian air defence missile that landed in a border town in poland, killing two farmers. these things will happen in wartime, of course not great wartime, but of course not great to be happening in russia. shows

a a malfunction on a little bit of a malfunction on their . now,i a little bit of a malfunction on their . now, i want to move their side. now, i want to move ewtetty— their side. now, i want to move ewtetty en— their side. now, i want to move ewtetty en te— their side. now, i want to move quickly on to putin. _ 1 95 now, i want to move quickly on to putin. we've got etewt— quickly on to putin. we've got about—there's- quickly on to putin. we've got. about—there'slwild about 30 seconds. there's a wild rumour-receiving- rumour that he's receiving chemotherapy. rumour that he's receiving- chemotherapy. _i thought chemotherapy. yeah, i thought you story, nana. you might like this story, nana. of might be a of course it might be a sentiment is shared a sentiment that is shared by a lot of the west. there was a leak that a rumour was leak that a rumour it was reported as vladimir putin might be suffering from chemotherapy and general , be suffering from chemotherapy and general, valery and his top general, valery gerasimov, the gerasimov, which is the commander of the ukrainian russian forces in ukraine, could throw the war as he's receiving chemotherapy. now, of course, thatis chemotherapy. now, of course, that is a huge, huge rumour. we don't know if there's any truth behind it. these rumours have been even before been going on since even before the yeah, is part the war. but yeah, this is part of leak from those pentagon of a leak from those pentagon documents we saw earlier. i documents as we saw earlier. i don't want to say anything - don't want to say anything tewttte— don't want to say anything horrible, but— don't want to say anything horrible, but thank you very mwet— horrible, but thank you very mwet. teeny.— horrible, but thank you very much, danny. good to talk you much, danny. good to talk to you .—ttewet— much, danny. good to talk to you .—ttewet ee- much, danny. good to talk to you ._travel over to- . right. let's travel over to tmenee— . right. let's travel over to america-have. . right. let's travel over to- america-havelchat . right. let's travel over to- an pauli-havelchat . right. let's travel over to anpaul duddridge. have chat . right. let's travel over to anpaul duddridge. he's chat . right. let's travel over to anpaul duddridge. he's the lat . right. let's travel over to anpaul duddridge. he's the host to paul duddridge. he's the host of to paul duddridge. he's the host et-tettttee— to paul duddridge. he's the host of-politics-podcast.i of the politics people podcast. pewt— of the politics people podcast. tewt wett— of the politics people podcast. paul well, welcome aboard. tell me eletewt— paul well, welcome aboard. tell me a about biden's me a bit about biden's intentions— me a bit about biden's intentions to- me a bit about biden's intentions to run again in the next— intentions to run again in the next election.— intentions to run again in the next election. he— intentions to run again in the next election. he can't even tee— next election. he can't even run, can he? can't actually run, tet— run, can he? can't actually run, tee ceme— run, can he? can't actually run, can he? come on.— run, can he? can't actually run, can he? come on. seriously. he's

tttne.— can he? come on. seriously. he's tettne. nette— can he? come on. seriously. he's joking, right? biden— can he? come on. seriously. he's joking, right? biden is about to announce on tuesday. "»530. announce on tuesday. the report is announce on tuesday. the report te tet— announce on tuesday. the report is he's about to announce on tuesday his intention to run for the presidency . the difference the presidency. the difference is the presidency. the difference te tnte— the presidency. the difference te ttte ttme— the presidency. the difference is this time he's— 20 the difference is this time he's planning to se— is this time he's planning to se tte.— is this time he's planning to win. so it's, um,— is this time he's planning to win. so it's, um, it's washington- win. so it's, um, it's washington is all abuzz. win. so it's, um, it's— washington is all abuzz. we're wetme— washington is all abuzz. we're looking forward— washington is all abuzz. we're looking forward to— washington is all abuzz. we're looking forward to the enormous rallies. we're looking forward to , um, you know, people dancing to, um, you know, people dancing with policemen in the streets. it's going to be like the notting hill carnival. it's , uh, notting hill carnival. it's, uh, america is just too— \0.. “9 -- it's, uh, america is just too excited at me— america is just too excited at me tteeteet— america is just too excited at the prospect of— america is just too excited at the prospect of now biden ttetetty— the prospect of now biden probably isn't— the prospect of now biden probably isn't aware of this yet,— probably isn't aware of this yet. twt— probably isn't aware of this yet, but when _ probably isn't aware of this yet, but when he finds out his tttte— yet, but when he finds out his tttte tete— yet, but when he finds out his little face is— yet, but when he finds out his little face is going to light up,— little face is going to light we. te-e— little face is going to light we. ne-e eeme— little face is going to light up, he's going to be so thrilled. _ up, he's going to be so thrilled. but- up, he's going to be so thrilled. «05: up, he's going to be so thrilled. 2 up, he's going to be so- thrilled. but yes, so biden is planning to announce. yes, it's going to be official.— planning to announce. yes, it's going to be official. he's- “1“ “9 1“ “015 yes, it's going to be official. he's going to announce his— going to be official. he's going to announce his candidacy for wetem— to announce his candidacy for now. listen, the— to announce his candidacy for now. listen, the thing- to announce his candidacy for now. “9 to announce his candidacy for now. 101g“ “9 �*7 to announce his candidacy for now. “9 �*7 now. listen, the thing is, if he makes it to tuesday, there's half a chance he'll make it to 20, 24 to actually well, we say run, run is optimistic. he's certainly going to participate. well the republicans must be clapping, jumping , clapping

clapping, jumping, clapping their hands with joy , aren't their hands with joy, aren't they? what's the latest on tenett— they? what's the latest on donald trump?— .1“»5;y7 what's the latest on donald trump? what's going on mete— donald trump? what's going on ttete t — donald trump? what's going on ttete t wett— donald trump? what's going on there ? well, it's— donald trump? what's going on there ? well, it's not- donald trump? what's going on there ? �*fw�*»5;.. . donald trump? what's going on there ? . .0.“ there? well, it's not a witch hunt. we've been told it's there? . .0.“ we've been told it's not hunt. we've been told it's not a wtet— hunt. we've been told it's not a wtet twnt— hunt. we've been told it's not a witch hunt. but— hunt. we've been told it's not a witch hunt. but he's— we've been told it's not a witch hunt. but he's in court eeem— witch hunt. but he's in court eeem-tweetey. - again from tuesday. jury eeteetten— again from tuesday. jury selection starts in. yes, mete-e— selection starts in. yes, there's another new york now. we— there's another new york now. me e— there's another new york now. me e ttwt— there's another new york now. it's a civil rape— there's another new york now. it's a civil rape case starting on it's a civil rape case starting en tweetey— it's a civil rape case starting en tweetey .— it's a civil rape case starting en tweetey . e— it's a civil rape case starting on tuesday , e jean carroll, this on tuesday, e jean carroll, this case from the— on tuesday, e jean carroll, this case from the 90— on tuesday, e jean carroll, this case from the 90 seconds. tttetentty— case from the 90 seconds. apparently nobody knows what the tete — apparently nobody knows what the tete et— apparently nobody knows what the tete et tte — apparently nobody knows what the date of the actual— apparently nobody knows what the date of the actual offence was. so date of the actual offence was. so ttet-e— date of the actual offence was. so ttet-e tte— date of the actual offence was. so that's the starting— date of the actual offence was. so that's the starting point. - date of the actual offence was. so that's the starting point. so this case, a jury selection begins on tuesday, the day that our dear leader announces his candidacy for the election . but candidacy for the election. but yeah, trump is up on two- 0 2 200 01“ but yeah, trump is up on two civil mettete. — yeah, trump is up on two civil mettete. ene— yeah, trump is up on two civil matters. one on— yeah, trump is up on two civil matters. one on for the offence ent— matters. one on for the offence ent tte— matters. one on for the offence and the second— matters. one on for the offence and the second for— matters. one on for the offence and the second for defamation. wee— and the second for defamation. we-e teme— and the second for defamation. he's being sued— and the second for defamation. he's being sued for libel for eeyme— he's being sued for libel for eeytne ne— he's being sued for libel for saying no, this— he's being sued for libel for saying no, this person's lying. so saying no, this person's lying. se tee— saying no, this person's lying. so he's actually— saying no, this person's lying. so he's actually being done in a twe— so he's actually being done in a twe tente— so he's actually being done in a twe tentet m— so he's actually being done in a two hander in new— so he's actually being done in a two hander in new york where etwewety— two hander in new york where obviously justice— two hander in new york where obviously justice is , uh, meted obviously justice is, uh, meted out obviously justice is, uh, meted ewt tte— obviously justice is, uh, meted out like smarties— obviously justice is, uh, meted out like smarties. so ewetytety-e- out like smarties. so everybody's expecting a fair tnet — everybody's expecting a fair tnet tnt — everybody's expecting a fair trial. and there's no question of trial. and there's no question et e— trial. and there's no question et e wtet— trial. and there's no question of a witch hunt— trial. and there's no question of a witch hunt against donald twmt. — of a witch hunt against donald twmt. te— of a witch hunt against donald trump. so what? _ of a witch hunt against donald trump. so what? »5; 1 trump. so what? he is four point ahead. he's four— trump. so what? he is four point ahead. he's four points- trump. so what? »5; 1 2 he's four points ahead in ahead. he's four points ahead in the ahead. he's four points ahead in

tte tete— ahead. he's four points ahead in tte tette et— ahead. he's four points ahead in the polls at the— 2 he's four points ahead in the polls at the moment. so teetcetty— the polls at the moment. so teeteetty ee— the polls at the moment. so basically so this— the polls at the moment. so basically so this is- the polls at the moment. so basically so this is this- basically so this is this helping his campaign? it's helping his campaign? it's helping him, isn't it?- helping him, isn't it? yeah helping his campaign? it's- helping him, isn't it? yeah oh, absolutely. absolutely- helping him, isn't it? yeah cj“ .»5;.y absolutely . j 37�* absolutely. absolutely. trump see, this is what people don't understand. they're trying to tett— understand. they're trying to ten ttm — understand. they're trying to fight him with— - 22 they're trying to fight him with politics. he's tteetteetty— fight him with politics. he's tteetteetty e— fight him with politics. he's practically a religious figure. ttt— practically a religious figure. ttt te— practically a religious figure. ttt te tte— practically a religious figure. this is the thing.— practically a religious figure. this is the thing. it's- practically a religious figure. this is the thing. it's a- practically a religious figure. this is the thing. it's a belief system. it isn't . you can't take system. it isn't. you can't take mm— system. it isn't. you can't take ttm tewe— system. it isn't. you can't take ttm tewn ty— system. it isn't. you can't take ntm tewn ty eny— system. it isn't. you can't take him down by any sort- 0g it isn't. you can't take him down by any sort of legal mettete— him down by any sort of legal matters that— him down by any sort of legal matters that makes him stronger. tettteet— matters that makes him stronger. political matters— matters that makes him stronger. political matters that makes him eteneet— political matters that makes him eteneet. we— political matters that makes him stronger. no it's.— political matters that makes him stronger. no it's. it's, um, you tnew— stronger. no it's. it's, um, you knew .— stronger. no it's. it's, um, you knew . yew— stronger. no it's. it's, um, you know , you couldn't have had know, you couldn't have had a teet. — know, you couldn't have had a more look. whoever runs in 2024, it's more look. whoever runs in 2024, we tte— more look. whoever runs in 2024, we tte net— more look. whoever runs in 2024, it's the not trump— more look. whoever runs in 2024, it's the not trump candidate. wetety-e— it's the not trump candidate. nobody's voting— it's the not trump candidate. nobody's voting for biden. wetety— nobody's voting for biden. nobody voted— nobody's voting for biden. nobody voted for joe biden. if ttey— nobody voted for joe biden. if they wetee— nobody voted for joe biden. if tney wetet et— nobody voted for joe biden. if they voted at all— nobody voted for joe biden. if they voted at all for him, met-e— they voted at all for him, ttet-e e— they voted at all for him, that's a matter- they voted at all for him, that's a matter of conjecture in my tewee — that's a matter of conjecture in my nee twt— that's a matter of conjecture in my house. but they- that's a matter of conjecture in my house. 9 my house. but they vote against trump . well, listen, paul, my house. cf well, listen, paul, thank trump. well, listen, paul, thank you trump. well, listen, paul, thank yew ee— trump. well, listen, paul, thank yew ee mwet— trump. well, listen, paul, thank you so much. always— well, listen, paul, thank you so much. always a pleasure to you so much. always a pleasure te tett— you so much. always a pleasure te tett te— you so much. always a pleasure te tett te yew.— you so much. always a pleasure to talk to you. that— you so much. always a pleasure to talk to you. that is the tetwtewe— to talk to you. that is the fabulous paul— to talk to you. that is the fabulous paul duddridge, host of the fabulous paul duddridge, host of tte tettte— fabulous paul duddridge, host of the politics people podcast. ment— the politics people podcast. ttent yew— the politics people podcast. tnent yew ee— the politics people podcast. thank you so much. take care. see— thank you so much. take care. see yew— thank you so much. take care. see you-thank- thank you so much. take care. see you thank you. live in see you soon. thank you. live in ttt.— see you soon. thank you. live in ttt-se— see you soon. thank you. live in ttt-_te tnte— see you soon. thank you. live in ttt-_te ttte te— see you soon. thank you. live in la.-so this is.news.. la. right? so this is gb news. ttey— la. right? so this is gb news. stey-ttete-e— la. right? so this is gb news. stay-there's so- la. right? so this is gb news. stay there's so much more stay tuned. there's so much more to stay tuned. there's so much more te—tew- stay tuned. there's so much more

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eentmwme— cleverly says the government is eentmwme te— cleverly says the government is continuing to ensure the safety of continuing to ensure the safety et tnttet— continuing to ensure the safety of british nationals who remain in of british nationals who remain m tte— of british nationals who remain m tte eewntty— of british nationals who remain m tte eewntty. — of british nationals who remain in the country . 3:05; 1“ in the country. we have taken the decision to temporarily close the embassy and to relocate our embassy staff that gives us a the best opportunity to project our diplomatic support back into sudan. but we remain absolutely committed to support british nationals in sudan. we will do so in close coordination with our international partners. but the best thing that we can do to support british nationals and indeed everyone in sudan is pushed the generals involved in this conflict to bring it to an end. and that will remain the priority of our diplomatic focus in the region . diane abbott has in the region. diane abbott has teen— in the region. diane abbott has been suspended— in the region. diane abbott has been suspended as— in the region. diane abbott has been suspended as a- 1“ 109 diane abbott has been suspended as a labour mp teneme— been suspended as a labour mp tenttne en— been suspended as a labour mp pending an investigation after she pending an investigation after ene etetmet— pending an investigation after she claimed that— pending an investigation after she claimed that jewish people are she claimed that jewish people net— she claimed that jewish people are not subject— she claimed that jewish people are not subject to— she claimed that jewish people are not subject to racism . in an are not subject to racism. in an etttete— are not subject to racism. in an etttete tet— are not subject to racism. in an article for the— are not subject to racism. in an article for the observer , the article for the observer, the tee— article for the observer, the former shadow— article for the observer, the former shadow health secretary eett— former shadow health secretary eete rewten— former shadow health secretary said jewish people were ewtreetet— said jewish people were subjected to _ said jewish people were subjected to prejudice like men— subjected to prejudice like men et— subjected to prejudice like irish or red— subjected to prejudice like irish or red headed people, but

ttey— irish or red headed people, but they ttt— irish or red headed people, but tney we met— irish or red headed people, but they did not experience racism. ste— they did not experience racism. ste emee— they did not experience racism. she since withdrawn the remarks and she since withdrawn the remarks ent eteteeteet— she since withdrawn the remarks and apologised for— she since withdrawn the remarks and apologised for any offence eeweet — and apologised for any offence caused. however— and apologised for any offence caused. however the labour party has condemned— caused. however the labour party has condemned the— caused. however the labour party has condemned the comments as teetty— has condemned the comments as deeply offensive— has condemned the comments as deeply offensive and wrong . deeply offensive and wrong. tteenwttte— deeply offensive and wrong. meanwhile, london mayor sadiq tten— meanwhile, london mayor sadiq tten tee— meanwhile, london mayor sadiq khan has described it as unacceptable— khan has described it as unacceptable and i don't understand— unacceptable and i don't understand how anybody can think met.— understand how anybody can think ttet. tew— understand how anybody can think that, how anybody— understand how anybody can think that, how anybody could say ttet. — that, how anybody could say ttet. twt— that, how anybody could say that. but even— that, how anybody could say that. . »5; . »5; 1“ that, how anybody could say that. but even worse, write a letter to the observer to pubush letter to the observer to publish that it's right. she's apologised . the labour party has apologised. the labour party has done the right thing to suspend her beggars belief . the done the right thing to suspend her beggars belief. the home secretary her beggars belief. the home seetetety eeye— her beggars belief. the home secretary says it's— 99 the home secretary says it's crucial that tte— secretary says it's crucial that the government— secretary says it's crucial that the government has the power to teten— the government has the power to teten mtetente— the government has the power to deport migrants without being tteetet— deport migrants without being tteetet ty— deport migrants without being blocked by the— deport migrants without being blocked by the european court of wwmen— blocked by the european court of wwmen ttette— blocked by the european court of human rights. in— blocked by the european court of human rights. in the sunday teteetett— human rights. in the sunday telegraph, suella braverman said for telegraph, suella braverman said tet tntem— telegraph, suella braverman said tet tntem te— telegraph, suella braverman said for britain to be— telegraph, suella braverman said for britain to be truly eeweeen— for britain to be truly sovereign ,- for britain to be truly sovereign , it needs to be able sovereign, it needs to be able to, sovereign, it needs to be able te. ewete.— sovereign, it needs to be able to, quote, decide— sovereign, it needs to be able to, quote, decide who enters our tewtteny— to, quote, decide who enters our temtety. tnte— to, quote, decide who enters our territory. this comes after 11 emet— territory. this comes after 11 emett teete— territory. this comes after 11 small boats carrying nearly 500 teewe— small boats carrying nearly 500 teette eeeet— small boats carrying nearly 500 people crossed the— small boats carrying nearly 500 people crossed the english ctemet— people crossed the english channel yesterday . day. leader channel yesterday. day. leader of channel yesterday. day. leader ettte— channel yesterday. day. leader of the liberal— channel yesterday. day. leader of the liberal democrats , sir ed of the liberal democrats, sir ed tewey— of the liberal democrats, sir ed tewey. eeye— of the liberal democrats, sir ed tewey. eeye tte— of the liberal democrats, sir ed davey, says the government is

net— davey, says the government is net eeme— davey, says the government is not doing enough— davey, says the government is not doing enough to tackle the teewe— not doing enough to tackle the . tte— not doing enough to tackle the issue . the backlog- not doing enough to tackle the issue . 09 issue. the backlog of siam applications that have not been processed is 160,000. that's the problem and this does nothing to solve that. liberal democrats want this problem solved, but the government is just being in chaos and can't even do the basics right. sir mo farah has tntetet— basics right. sir mo farah has finished ninth— basics right. sir mo farah has finished ninth in— basics right. sir mo farah has finished ninth in his- 00 19“. sir mo farah has finished ninth in his final tenten— finished ninth in his final london marathon with a time of two london marathon with a time of twe tewe— london marathon with a time of twe tewe ent— london marathon with a time of two hours and ten— london marathon with a time of two hours and ten minutes. tenye-e— two hours and ten minutes. kenya's kelvin— two hours and ten minutes. kenya's kelvin kiptum- two hours and ten minutes. kenya's kelvin kiptum smashed the course record to win the men's race in the second fastest time ever . men's race in the second fastest time ever. dutch men's race in the second fastest time ever . dutch athlete sifan time ever. dutch athlete sifan hassan won the women's race in today's london marathon is set today's london marathon is set to be the largest ever, with at least 45,000 people taking part at around £60 million is expected to be raised for charity and two new pictures of prince louis have been published as he celebrates his fifth birthday today. he's been photographed being pushed in a wheelbarrow by his mum . louis is wheelbarrow by his mum. louis is expected to accompany his siblings in the procession from westminster abbey during the

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you me. it's good to be here. you know, i was me. it's good to be here. you knew t e— me. it's good to be here. you know, i was a real— me. it's good to be here. you know, i was a real fan- me. it's good to be here. you know, i was a real fan of- me. 9 you know, i was a real fan of the enty— know, i was a real fan of the enty wey— know, i was a real fan of the enty wey te— know, i was a real fan of the only way is essex. - know, i was a real fan of the only way is essex. i loved it. i ttet— only way is essex. i loved it. i ttet t— only way is essex. i loved it. i swear that i wrote— only way is essex. i loved it. i swear that i wrote it, though, teewee—

swear that i wrote it, though, teewee t— swear that i wrote it, though, because i used— swear that i wrote it, though, because i used to— swear that i wrote it, though, because i used to live in essex ent— because i used to live in essex ent-ent— because i used to live in essex ent-ent t- because i used to live in essex and-and i talked. because i used to live in essex. and-and i talked about and my friend and i talked about this and my friend and i talked about tne—te- and my friend and i talked about ttte—te ee- and my friend and i talked about ttte—te ee ewtl this script. we used to go out etwttme— this script. we used to go out clubbing—and. clubbing and drinking and ewenytttne— clubbing and drinking and everything. like, clubbing and drinking and- everything.-like, there everything. we were like, there etewt— everything. we were like, there etewt-etew— everything. we were like, there should show about this. and should be a show about this. and ttetetty— should be a show about this. and literally-later- should be a show about this. and literally - later there - literally two years later there was—was really| was yes, yes. that was really wtete— was yes, yes. that was really where-et— was yes, yes. that was really where-all found- was yes, yes. that was really. where-all found-saw where we all found you and saw you— where we all found you and saw you-me— where we all found you and saw you-me about.- where we all found you and saw you me about. absolutely you talk to me about. absolutely what— you talk to me about. absolutely what how— you talk to me about. absolutely what how did— you talk to me about. absolutely what how did how— you talk to me about. absolutely what how did how did what was your— what how did how did what was your-like— what how did how did what was your-like-how- your life been like and how did you—where- your life been like and how didi you—where you you get to that stage where you ended— you get to that stage where you ended up— you get to that stage where you ended up on— you get to that stage where you ended up on that— you get to that stage where you ended up on that show? yes i think— ended up on that show? yes i dink—beek- ended up on that show? yes i think—back in. ended up on that show? yes i. think—back in was think towie started back in was it zom— think towie started back in was d we edee — think towie started back in was d we dgee .— think towie started back in was it 2010 ago? | think- think towie started back in was it 2010 ago? c it 2010 ago? i think it was 2010. yeah, about 13 years 2010. so yeah, about 13 years ago and yeah, just all ago now. and yeah, it's just all like young kind of young adults from a certain part of essex , from a certain part of essex, you know, like based around kind of like family and friends and relationships and stuff like that. and yeah, it kind of changed all our lives. was it like shenfield_ changed all our lives. was it like shenfield and— changed all our lives. was it like shenfield and that- cg: ” l was it like shenfield and that sort of deede— like shenfield and that sort of area? billericay_ like shenfield and that sort of area? billericay yeah, i mean, dddedeey— area? billericay yeah, i mean, billericay that's— area? billericay yeah, i mean, billericay that's further down. shenfdedd — billericay that's further down. shenfield-mean- billericay that's further down. shenfield mean that's shenfield yeah, i mean, that's part— shenfield yeah, i mean, that's pad of— shenfield yeah, i mean, that's pad of de— shenfield yeah, i mean, that's part of the show— shenfield yeah, i mean, that's part of the show was of part of the show was kind of based— part of the show was kind of based-dike- part of the show was kind of based like brentwood. based more so like brentwood. brentwood— based more so like brentwood. deendweed .— based more so like brentwood. brentwood , shenfield,- based more so like brentwood. brentwood , shenfield, that- based more so like brentwood. brentwood , shenfield, that kind brentwood, shenfield, that kind of way. but then it was also heavily based in my part of essex, which is like on the border east london. so like border of east london. so like chigwell, woodford, green, buckhurst loughton yeah. buckhurst hill, loughton yeah. so what were you doing before

date— so what were you doing before deed-wed— so what were you doing before deed-wed .- so what were you doing before that? what i mean, what that? i mean, what i mean, what were-eem,— that? i mean, what i mean, what were-born, what's- that? i mean, what i mean, what were born, what's your, were you born, what's your, wed-e— were you born, what's your, wed-e your— were you born, what's your, what's your childhood? i was dem— what's your childhood? i was been-dese- what's your childhood? i was born cross hospital in born in whipps cross hospital in east leytonstone but, east london. leytonstone but, you— east london. leytonstone but, you knew,— east london. leytonstone but, you knew, .— east london. leytonstone but, you knew, . wee— east london. leytonstone but, you know, i was raised- :" leytonstone but, you know, i was raised kind of slightly— you know, i was raised kind of eddhdy mee— you know, i was raised kind of slightly more into— you know, i was raised kind of slightly more into essex, woodford,— slightly more into essex, woodford, green . and yeah, woodford, green. and yeah, i defere— woodford, green. and yeah, i before towie,— woodford, green. and yeah, i before towie, i— woodford, green. and yeah, i before towie, i mean, i was a young— before towie, i mean, i was a young men— before towie, i mean, i was a young gond— before towie, i mean, i was a young man going from job to job. one— young man going from job to job. one minute— young man going from job to job. one minute .— young man going from job to job. one minute i was— young man going from job to job. one minute i was babysitting , one minute i was babysitting, onen— one minute i was babysitting, onen .— one minute i was babysitting, onen . noe— one minute i was babysitting, then i was working in waitrose , then i was working in waitrose, onen— then i was working in waitrose, onen .— then i was working in waitrose, onen . noe— then i was working in waitrose, then i was selling— then i was working in waitrose, then i was selling christmas trees— then i was selling christmas trees .— then i was selling christmas neee . .— then i was selling christmas trees . i think— then i was selling christmas trees . i think i— then i was selling christmas trees. i think i did then i was selling christmas trees . i think i did stockbroker trees. i think i did stockbroker , i trees. i think i did stockbroker , . worked— trees. i think i did stockbroker , . worked on— trees. i think i did stockbroker , i worked at a— trees. i think i did stockbroker , i worked at a jewellers nnondd— , i worked at a jewellers financial advisors, you name it. i financial advisors, you name it. wowed— financial advisors, you name it. wowed n,— financial advisors, you name it. wowed n, nun— financial advisors, you name it. i tried it, but i— financial advisors, you name it. i tried it, but i went from job to ion— i tried it, but i went from job no job and— i tried it, but i went from job no job and .— i tried it, but i went from job to job and i never— i tried it, but i went from job to job and i never really, you know— to job and i never really, you know .— to job and i never really, you know , found— to job and i never really, you know , found anything that i know, found anything that i neody— know, found anything that i needy, neody— know, found anything that i really, really loved or was good at. really, really loved or was good on nun— really, really loved or was good on nun ny— really, really loved or was good at. but my passion— really, really loved or was good at. but my passion was always kind— at. but my passion was always kind on— at. but my passion was always kind of performing and entertaining— kind of performing and entertaining . i used to do a lot entertaining. i used to do a lot of entertaining. i used to do a lot on nudeok— entertaining. i used to do a lot of musical theatre— entertaining. i used to do a lot of musical theatre when i was younger— of musical theatre when i was younger and— of musical theatre when i was younger and r— of musical theatre when i was younger and i always wanted to be e— younger and i always wanted to be e wedding— younger and i always wanted to be a wedding singer. so i be a wedding singer. so yeah, i kind—we- be a wedding singer. so yeah, i kind—we come- be a wedding singer. so yeah, i. kind—we come along, kind of went out. we come along, i kind of went out. we come along, riuer— kind of went out. we come along, riuer kind— kind of went out. we come along, r we kind or— kind of went out. we come along, i just kind of saw— kind of went out. we come along, i just kind of saw it— kind of went out. we come along, i just kind of saw it as an opponunrry— i just kind of saw it as an opportunity that i might be able to opportunity that i might be able ro-eone— opportunity that i might be able to-some bookings- opportunity that i might be able to some bookings off the to get some bookings off the book— to get some bookings off the book 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you do? was there an audition? no. mean, be honest with no. i mean, i'll be honest with you.— no. i mean, i'll be honest with you-rne— no. i mean, i'll be honest with you.-the reason— no. i mean, i'll be honest with you.-the reason-i- no. i mean, i'll be honest with you. the reason i got on you. i'm the reason how i got on rower— you. i'm the reason how i got on rower perry— you. i'm the reason how i got on tower was pretty much being mark wngnr-e— wright's best friend. yeah i neon-coer- wright's best friend. yeah i mean,-cast for. wright's best friend. yeah ii mean,-cast for the mean, mark was cast for the snow.— mean, mark was cast for the snow. _kowed— mean, mark was cast for the show.-loved-himl show. they loved him. him and his show. they loved him. him and no randy— show. they loved him. him and no randy end— show. they loved him. him and his family and and you his family and stuff. and you know,— his family and stuff. and you know, rney— his family and stuff. and you know, they wanted to feature one of know, they wanted to feature one or-doeeer— know, they wanted to feature one of-closest friends- know, they wanted to feature one of-closest friends .- know, they wanted to feature one of closest friends . and. of mark's closest friends. and. and— of mark's closest friends. and. and-ne— of mark's closest friends. and. and-ne- vou- of mark's closest friends. and. and me. you know, and that was me. you know, i eroned— and that was me. you know, i unwed-guer— and that was me. you know, i started .just, you- and that was me. you know, i started just, you know, started off just, you know, i suppose— started off just, you know, i euppoee r— started off just, you know, i euppoee r woe— started off just, you know, i suppose i was due to be mark's sidekick,— suppose i was due to be mark's sidekick, someone— suppose i was due to be mark's sidekick, someone for him to newe— sidekick, someone for him to nave-wrrn. - sidekick, someone for him to have _with. go - sidekick, someone for him to. have _with. go shopping have a chat with. go shopping with, ended up becoming with, and ended up becoming a central in my own central main character in my own right he was right. did you say he was running— " 3 did you say he was running marathon ” q did you say he was running marathon today? running the marathon today? work— running the marathon today? work-running— running the marathon today? mark-running the- running the marathon today? i mark-running the marathon mark was running the marathon today his brother today alongside his brotherjosh and mum, carol, mark, mum and his mum, carol, mark, mum and his mum, carol, mark, mum and dad. carol. mark they also they were walking the marathon so i was there earlier. one minute at west ferry , then minute i was at west ferry, then i canary wharf, then i was at canary wharf, then i was at the finish line at the mall and then we. the mall. the mall. know, whatever . mall. i don't know, whatever. and then. yeah, and then we've just met up for a soft drink. and now i've, i've rushed and just about got here on time. so it's been a crazy day, but i'm happy to be here. i actually run the myself in 2012, so the marathon myself in 2012, so i know kind of how difficult it

is and what a sense of achievement it is when you when you get that, you know, get to the finish line. i run it in 1999. i thought, i'll do it at we— 1999. i thought, i'll do it at we run— 1999. i thought, i'll do it at we run or— 1999. i thought, i'll do it at the turn of the— ill i thought, i'll do it at the turn of the century. i did it the turn of the century. i did n and— the turn of the century. i did n and r— the turn of the century. i did n and r ran— the turn of the century. i did it and i ran 21.6— the turn of the century. i did it and i ran 21.6 miles without downg— it and i ran 21.6 miles without eroporng. r— it and i ran 21.6 miles without eroporng. r dd— it and i ran 21.6 miles without stopping. i did no— it and i ran 21.6 miles without stopping. i did no training. wow i stopping. i did no training. wow r—rnor- stopping. i did no training. wowi r—rnd. rnen i shouldn't have done that. then i shouldn't have done that. then r—r-we— i shouldn't have done that. then r—r-we-run- i thought, well, i've just run 26 i thought, well, i've just run ze-nrgnr— i thought, well, i've just run 26-might.well. i thought, well, i've just run. 26-might.well just 26 miles. i might as well just do-nrr— 26 miles. i might as well just do-nrr end— 26 miles. i might as well just do-nrr and r- 26 miles. i might as well just do-bit and i did.- 26 miles. i might as well just do bit and i did. well do the last bit and i did. well done. — do the last bit and i did. well done. woe— do the last bit and i did. well done. woe n— do the last bit and i did. well done. was it was— do the last bit and i did. well done. was it was it was tough rnrng. — done. was it was it was tough thing. amazing.— done. was it was it was tough thing. 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' g cr.g “cu?" > thing. amazing. tough. yeah > and be thing. amazing. tough. yeah > and—be walkingi and for days you'll be walking dke— and for days you'll be walking dike—nur- and for days you'll be walking dike—our youl like in a funny way, but you weer-medd— like in a funny way, but you wear medal people wear your medal so people understand— wear your medal so people- understand _walking understand why you're walking like understand why you're walking dike—on— understand why you're walking dke—on rne- understand why you're walking like—on the social| like that straight on the social medd— like that straight on the social media. so— like that straight on the social media. so you— like that straight on the social media. so you my memory of media. so you my big memory of you-wav— media. so you my big memory of you-wey re— media. so you my big memory of you-wey re reee. - media. so you my big memory of you way is essex. was you in any way is essex. was your— you in any way is essex. was your relationship— you in any way is essex. was your relationship with gemma counse— your relationship with gemma collins?|that_ your relationship with gemma collins?|that you— your relationship with gemma collins? that you were actually thinking that you were actually in thinking that you were actually rn—orner. - thinking that you were actually in _other. were. in love with each other. were youn— in love with each other. were your-woe- in love with each other. were you?-was that- in love with each other. were- you?-was that genuine? in love with each other. were yc looked was that genuine? in love with each other. were yclooked like was that genuine? in love with each other. were yclooked like youas that genuine? in love with each other. were yclooked like you weret genuine? in love with each other. were yclooked like you were really.ine? it looked like you were really. keen. — it looked like you were really. keen. -nnd- it looked like you were really. yeah. _had two- yeah. i mean, i had two relationships, both on the only way is essex and both them way is essex and both of them were genuine and were were were genuine and they were both both real both they were both real relationships. my relationships. and obviously my friendship wright friendship with mark wright was completely my completely real. he's my best friend. so yeah. do they make it up friend. so yeah. do they make it uo-uke— friend. so yeah. do they make it uo-uke .— friend. so yeah. do they make it uo-uke . dike,— friend. so yeah. do they make it up-like . like,.you. friend. so yeah. do they make it up.to.like . like,.you. friend. so yeah. do they make it uplto like,ike . like,.you. friend. so yeah. do they make it uplto like, ham_ike,.you. friend. so yeah. do they make it uplto like, ham upr,.you. cw: will?“ do they make it up to like, ham up the you cw: will?“ do they make it up to like, ham up the scene? have to like, ham up the scene? so have to like, ham up the scene? so r-n— have to like, ham up the scene? so r-n rnogrnrng— have to like, ham up the scene? so i'm imagining that they say, okay,— so i'm imagining that they say, okay-do— so i'm imagining that they say, okay-do rnre— so i'm imagining that they say, okay,-do this or- so i'm imagining that they say, okay,-do this or do- so i'm imagining that they say, okay, do this or do that, or okay, now do this or do that, or

eewe-— okay, now do this or do that, or are-are these— okay, now do this or do that, or are are these genuine are these are these genuine rnreroedone— are these are these genuine interactions happening are these are these genuine interac no,s happening are these are these genuine interac no, no. happening are these are these genuine interacno, no. �*wcfiappening are these are these genuine interac no, no. �*vw�*c�* )pening are these are these genuine interac no, no. �*xw�*c�* ng are these are these genuine interac no, no. �*vw�*c�* s there? no, no. when i was, when i towie, it was i was on towie, it was very authentic and real. i think that was authentic and real. i think that wny— authentic and real. i think that wny dr— authentic and real. i think that wny n woe— authentic and real. i think that was why it was so— c e�*r: ”ca i think that was why it was so successful. so was why it was so successful. so r— was why it was so successful. so r don-r— was why it was so successful. so i don't really— was why it was so successful. so i don't really know- was why it was so successful. so i don't really know that's so i don't really know if that's so the case now . but yeah, so much the case now. but yeah, we was obviously, you know, we had we were put into various situations and stuff and we possibly given topics to discuss, but everything we kind of said we had to be accountable for and responsible for and it was our own opinions and our own reactions, actions. and it was, it was pretty real, as as it was pretty real, as real as it was pretty real, as real as it be. it's a really good it could be. it's a really good epnngnoord— it could be. it's a really good springboard because- e f: it's a really good springboard because you've done e f: it's a really good sjlotgboard because you've done e f: it's a really good sjlotgb

weddings or band called the band . the band, yeah, i should have guessed— . the band, yeah, i should have guessed rnor— . the band, yeah, i should have gueeeed rnor . — . the band, yeah, i should have guessed that . the— the band, yeah, i should have guessed that . ' ?ci the band, yeah, i should have guessed that . ' 3c : the band, yeah, i should have guessed that. 3c : guessed that. the arg band, i'm very proud of it. i'm the lead singer of the band and yeah, i'm very it. a bit of very proud of it. a bit of eonernrng— very proud of it. a bit of something-you- cg : c a bit of something you might very proud of it. a bit of- something-you might sing. something that you might sing. can something that you might sing. con-ung— something that you might sing. con-erng o— something that you might sing. can-sing a little- something that you might sing. can sing a little bit? kc can you sing a little bit? not at can you sing a little bit? not red—no. nur- can you sing a little bit? not red—no. our nl can you sing a little bit? notl at_no. but if you at the moment, no. but if you want to at the moment, no. but if you wonr ro ger— at the moment, no. but if you want to get the— at the moment, no. but if you want to get the band- but if you want to get the band back on to do u— want to get the band back on to do u special— want to get the band back on to do a special performance, we woukd—drrkei would absolutely got a little bit would absolutely got a little rod—wedd- would absolutely got a little- bit_would absolutely would absolutely got a little- bitlto-would absolutely would absolutely got a little bit f r: would absolutely got a little- bitlto because the thing is now love to because the thing is now like, you know, i've had great love to because the thing is now like, yon know, i've had great love to because the thing is now like, yon television had great love to because the thing is now like, yon television and great love to because the thing is now like, yon television and touring. times on television and touring. i'm still in and out. i've got quite few things coming up. quite a few things coming up. but know, say to but you know, if people say to me know what do you do? me now, you know what do you do? what's impression? the what's your impression? the first now, first thing i'll say now, you know, say reality tv know, i won't say reality tv star personality. star or tv personality. i'll say, wedding singer. say, i'm a wedding singer. you're singer, and i'm you're a wedding singer, and i'm proud— you're a wedding singer, and i'm proud _throughoutl proud of that. but throughout your have seen you your career, we have seen you battle with your weight. that's been a big thing. in— battle with your weight. that's been a big thing. in fact,- been a big thing. in fact, i wore— been a big thing. in fact, i wore-kn- been a big thing. in fact, i wrote-in the- been a big thing. in fact, i wrote in the daily been a big thing. in fact, i- wrote-in the daily mail wrote a piece in the daily mail odour— wrote a piece in the daily mail odour geode— wrote a piece in the daily mail about people if— wrote a piece in the daily mail about people if you're fat, it's your—rnere-e your own fault. i know there's onwoueky— your own fault. i know there's- obviously _there obviously a few people who there nrgnr— obviously a few people who there nrgnrleone— obviously a few people who there might-some thing— obviously a few people who there might some thing wrong with might be some thing wrong with rnen — might be some thing wrong with rnen _rour— might be some thing wrong with them _put.weight,j might be some thing wrong with theithat's put weight, might be some thing wrong with theithat's very, put weight, might be some thing wrong with theithat's very, veryt weight, might be some thing wrong with theithat's very, very smallaight, but that's very, very small portion — but that's very, very small ponron. so— but that's very, very small portion. so for— but that's very, very small portion. so for you, what was it odour,— portion. so for you, what was it odour-know,— portion. so for you, what was it about,-know,-that| about, you know, the fact that you—wergnr- you kept losing weight and ournng— you kept losing weight and purring—wnyi you kept losing weight and- ourdng—wny putting on weight and why were

you-drown— putting on weight and why were you-drown ro— putting on weight and why were you-drawn to that- putting on weight and why were you drawn to that kind you sort of drawn to that kind of behaviour— you sort of drawn to that kind of behaviour pattern? “cu?" of behaviour pattern? yeah, i moaned-— of behaviour pattern? yeah, i nnennn- nod— of behaviour pattern? yeah, i mean, a bad relationship mean, i had a bad relationship with even with with food and even exercise, would either exercise, i kind of would either i would either do no exercise at all and binge eat and overeat, whether that was for like comfort or whether that was to, you know, to, you know , act out you know, to, you know, act out on food and feelings and stuff. or i would kind of starve myself and train three times a day. so inever and train three times a day. so i never had a healthy balance with exercise or food. so i've forever yo yoing. i was either morbidly obese or i'd be, you know, for a year and then i'd be really slim for the other year. then i'd go back up, up and down. it was kind of i was constantly yo yoing and i decided i'd over about two years ago now to get gastric sleeve surgery, which has really helped me with portion control. and then ever since then, i haven't i haven't looked back and now i've got a healthy relationship. not only with food, but also with exercise . and i'm in i'm in with exercise. and i'm in i'm in a place in a good position. a good place in a good position. well, you look very

well, you look you look very good. — well, you look you look very good. _r— well, you look you look veryi good. _r-good. good. thank you. i feel good. vou— good. thank you. i feel good. you—nur- good. thank you. i feel good. you—our dr- good. thank you. i feel good.| you—but it must you do look good. but it must newe— you do look good. but it must nowe been— you do look good. but it must nowe been you— you do look good. but it must have been, you know, because i dwoye—now- have been, you know, because i always—how peoplej always wonder how how people wnen—ond when you're getting bigger and bigger— when you're getting bigger and giggg.-ggggg.,_ when you're getting bigger and bigger bigger, must bigger and bigger, you must get more-depressed.- bigger and bigger, you must get more depressed. what more and more depressed. what n— more and more depressed. what d war— more and more depressed. what was it that was— more and more depressed. what was it that was triggering you to was it that was triggering you ro-eodng— was it that was triggering you ro-eodng-woyi to carry on eating in the way rnor— to carry on eating in the way run-knowing- to carry on eating in the way. that-knowing-it that you were knowing what it doing— that you were knowing what it dorng ro— that you were knowing what it was doing to you? “cu?" that you were knowing what it was doing to you? / was doing to you? yeah, i think i definitely had some underlying issues struggled. i definitely had some underlying issues suppose struggled. i definitely had some underlying issues suppose . struggled. i definitely had some underlying issues suppose . lonelygled. i definitely had some underlying issues suppose . lonely ness and yeah, i suppose. lonely ness and boredom and i kind of didn't really have a very good routine and structure and i definitely used food to act out , you know, used food to act out, you know, when i wanted comforting or on feelings and lockdown for me wasn't easy. i remember, you know, some people really got into their exercise and they'd be doing at home workouts or other people really quite struggled. and i think, yeah , i struggled. and i think, yeah, i was one of those who struggled . was one of those who struggled. some people went from fit to gr,— some people went from fit to for, ornere— some people went from fit to fat, others went— some people went from fit to fat, others went from fat to no — fat, others went from fat to no keen. — fat, others went from fat to fit. yeah. and— fat, others went from fat to fit. yeah. and i— fat, others went from fat to fit. yeah. and i don't know wnere— fit. yeah. and i don't know wnere r— fit. yeah. and i don't know wnere r eer— fit. yeah. and i don't know where i sat in— fit. yeah. and i don't know where i sat in there. i just eon— where i sat in there. i just eon or— where i sat in there. i just eon or r— where i sat in there. i just sort of i kind— where i sat in there. i just sort of i kind of- where i sat in there. i just sort of i kind of slightly enjoyed— sort of i kind of slightly enjoyed rne— sort of i kind of slightly enjoyed the lockdowns at the negrnnrng.— enjoyed the lockdowns at the negrnnrnglrne— enjoyed the lockdowns at the beginning. the beginning, it beginning. at the beginning, it was beginning. at the beginning, it woeeeouee-n— beginning. at the beginning, it was because with that

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that or be able to get my own apartment the rent and apartment and pay the rent and stuff. yeah, suppose as stuff. so yeah, i suppose as i suppose, yeah, i have, i have exceeded expectations and i'm proud of what i've achieved and, and yeah. and do you have a supponwe— and yeah. and do you have a supportive family— a�*c / and do you have a supportive family around ac / and do you have a supportive family around you as wed. — supportive family around you as wekk. kenn— supportive family around you as well. yeah i've— supportive family around you as well. yeah i've got,- supportive family around you as well. ycua" gc supportive family around you as well. 4:a�* gc gc well. yeah i've got, i've got a yeah i've got a fantastic family. i've just recently took my mum on holiday so me and my mum away on holiday so me and her and her mum and mum and son bonding trip together, bonding holiday trip together, which to her and which meant the world to her and that really, special. that was really, really special. you you get in a good you know, once you get in a good place and, and get better, it's nice you can kind of do nice that you can kind of do these things and make these moments and cherish have memories to to, cherish, because i wouldn't be able to do these things if i was in a bad place. if you had one bit of advice to give— if you had one bit of advice to dye eonenody— if you had one bit of advice to give somebody who's sort of maybe— give somebody who's sort of noyne-wrrn- give somebody who's sort of maybe with their diet and maybe young with their diet and going— maybe young with their diet and gorng rnrougn— maybe young with their diet and going through kind of similar rnrnge— going through kind of similar things addiction and things with your addiction and dedrng— dealing with that, what would you_ _ dealing with that, what would you— ithink- dealing with that, what wouldi you— low you you say to them? i think you just you think everyone just you got i think everyone i think you come to a point where you're to need to you're you're going to need to you're going to need to ask for help. sometimes friends and family,

they want to step in and they want to try and help you and, you know, and tell you what to do. to really, do. but you've got to really, really to do it yourself. really want to do it yourself. and just think you know, and i just think that you know, it know, there's been it is, you know, there's been other like whoever it is, there's people out there that, you know, can inspire you and, you know, can inspire you and, you know, can inspire you and, you know, not all stories have to end in like tragedy and, you know, and stuff. like there are some people can really turn things around and you know it's not who is your inspiration not all who is your inspiration and you said people inspire and you said some people inspire you mention you if you could mention somebody inspires. i feel somebody who inspires. i feel like in terms of maybe like weight before weight loss, i think before i started weight loss journey, weight loss, i think before i swas d weight loss journey, weight loss, i think before i swas heavilyaight loss journey, weight loss, i think before i swas heavily inspireds journey, weight loss, i think before i swas heavily inspired byrurney, weight loss, i think before i swas heavily inspired by like, 1, i was heavily inspired by like, tyson fury. really? yeah because tyson, he's a friend of mine. i haven't seen him for a while, but i've really liked tyson. he, you know, he's someone who. who who struggled with weight , with who struggled with weight, with dnnk who struggled with weight, with drink and stuff like that. and he, he managed to turn his life around and, you know, go on to become a two time world champion

boxer. so that's to me is like the ultimate comeback story . and the ultimate comeback story. and that kind of inspired me amongst many others. so i definitely say ryeon— many others. so i definitely say ryeon rury. — many others. so i definitely say ryeon rury. wed.— many others. so i definitely say tyson fury. well, it's- many others. so i definitely say tyson fury. well, it's another word with him. get him on this show. i'd love to speak to him as well. so what's for you as well. so what's next for you then? where can we see you? where can people people pay where can people can people pay for a wedding for you to become a wedding singer if singer there? absolutely. if nyone— singer there? absolutely. if nyone-o— singer there? absolutely. if anyone - a wedding i singer there? absolutely. if. anyone-a wedding band anyone wants a wedding band runedon— anyone wants a wedding band function band,— anyone wants a wedding band function band, any events, nrnndoy— function band, any events, birthday parties , bar mitzvahs, birthday parties, bar mitzvahs, you none— birthday parties, bar mitzvahs, you n,— birthday parties, bar mitzvahs, you name it, we— birthday parties, bar mitzvahs, you name it, we do it. birthday parties, bar mitzvahs, you name it, we do it . we'll be you name it, we do it. we'll be rnere— you name it, we do it. we'll be rnere ro— you name it, we do it. we'll be there to we'll— you name it, we do it. we'll be there to we'll get— you name it, we do it. we'll be there to we'll get the party owned.— there to we'll get the party eroned. so, — there to we'll get the party started. so, yeah, that's what r-n — started. so, yeah, that's what r-n dorng. — started. so, yeah, that's what r-n dorng. rye— started. so, yeah, that's what i'm doing. i've-i- started. so, yeah, that's what i'm doing. i've i have got a i'm doing. i've got i have got a new— i'm doing. i've got i have got a new-snowe— i'm doing. i've got i have got a few-shows-out- i'm doing. i've got i have got ai few-shows-out this few new shows coming out this year— few new shows coming out this year rnor— few new shows coming out this year rnor r-n— few new shows coming out this year that i'm excited about. cen— year that i'm excited about. can you— year that i'm excited about. can you say— year that i'm excited about. can you say what— year that i'm excited about. can you say what they- year that i'm excited about. c i can you say what they are? i can't say, but there's a c i can't say, but there's a couple. one— can't say, but there's a couple. one on— can't say, but there's a couple. one on channel— can't say, but there's a couple. one on channel 4,— can't say, but there's a couple. one on channel 4, one on taking your— one on channel 4, one on taking your dornee— one on channel 4, one on taking your clothes off— one on channel 4, one on taking your clothes off or— one on channel 4, one on taking your clothes off or anything. are— your clothes off or anything. are you— your clothes off or anything. are you one— your clothes off or anything. are you one on— your clothes off or anything. are you one on channel- your clothes off or anything. are you one on channel 4, one on e4. they'll be coming out this year— e4. they'll be coming out this year .— e4. they'll be coming out this year , eo— e4. they'll be coming out this year , eo r-n— e4. they'll be coming out this year , so i'm quite— ”' they'll be coming out this year , so i'm quite proud of year, so i'm quite proud of dose— year, so i'm quite proud of dose . — year, so i'm quite proud of those . well,— year, so i'm quite proud of those . �*fw�*ccc c 3c“ year, so i'm quite proud of those. �*fw�*ccc year, so i'm quite proud of those . �*fw�*ccc c 5c" gc year, so i'm quite proud of- those . well, listen, i've got to those. well, listen, i've got to watch this space. watch the space. and don't forget, if you're looking for a wedding singer, he's your man. i'm the man. it's singer, he's your man. i'm the rr-e euen— singer, he's your man. i'm the rr-e euen o— singer, he's your man. i'm the man. it's such a pleasure- gs ” a“ i'm the man. it's such a pleasure to gs” ” a i'm the man. it's such a pleasure to see you. — man. it's such a pleasure to see you. ree— man. it's such a pleasure to see you. we ready— man. it's such a pleasure to see you. it's really good- man. it's such a pleasure to see you. it's really good to- man. it's such a pleasure to see

you. c d you. it's really good to see you looking so well. for looking so well. thanks for having what having me. keep doing what you're because you're doing because it's obviously you. obviously working for you. and we coming in. we appreciate you coming in. cheers. the fabulous we appreciate you coming in. cheersargent. the fabulous we appreciate you coming in. cheersargent. he'sfabulous we appreciate you coming in. cheersargent. he's abulous we appreciate you coming in. cheersargent. he's a television james argent. he's a television star. this was, of course, outside. but coming it's the outside. but coming up, it's the great debate this hour. great british debate this hour. and should suella and i'm asking, should suella braverman european braverman ignore the european courts? braverman ignore the european courts secretary suella braverman home secretary suella braverman is preparing give the is preparing to give the government necessary powers is preparing to give the governmetemporaryessary powers is preparing to give the governmetemporary injunctionsers to ignore temporary injunctions issued by the european court of human to stop the human rights to stop the deportation flights taking off to should she ignore to rwanda. so should she ignore the echr? you won't want to miss that. it's on the way. next .

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debate. i'm debate. this hour. and i'm asking, suella braverman asking, should suella braverman ignore european courts in ignore the european courts in a latest to begin latest attempt to begin deporting immigrants deporting illegal immigrants to rwanda, secretary suella rwanda, home secretary suella braverman is preparing to give the the necessary braverman is preparing to give the to the necessary braverman is preparing to give the to ignore :he necessary braverman is preparing to give the to ignore temporaryiry powers to ignore temporary injunctions the injunctions issued by the european of human rights. european court of human rights. that's stop deportation that's to stop deportation flights taking off. now, the changes to the illegal migration bill the bill isn't illegal, bill and the bill isn't illegal, but that is what they've called it, the commons it, which returns to the commons for report stage this for its final report stage this week is an attempt to appease around about 60 conservative mps who would demanded that the government who would demanded that the governmeagainst echr . now approach against the echr. now this because a single echr this is because a single echr judge used to a so—called rule 29 order to the 11th hour last june to stop the first deportation flights to rwanda . deportation flights to rwanda. if the bill passes, braverman will have the powers to detain anyone entering uk illegally anyone entering the uk illegally and them either and swiftly remove them either to their own country or safe to their own country or a safe third country rwanda. and third country like rwanda. and there will virtually no way there will be virtually no way for to deportation for them to fight deportation on human . but is it right? human rights. but is it right? so for the great british debate this hour, asking, this hour, i'm asking, should suella ignore suella braverman ignore the european right. suella braverman ignore the european right . joining european courts right. joining

me matthew stadlen. he's me now is matthew stadlen. he's a political commentator. stephen wolff, the centre wolff, director for the centre of migration and economic prosperity. rebecca reid, author and broadcaster, david haig, and broadcaster, and david haig, international rights lawyer, human . david, i'm human rights lawyer. david, i'm going to ask you first, is sevilla braverman able to actually do this ? because all actually do this? because all these that they say these things that they say they're out they're going to do, turns out they're going to do, turns out they can't actually do them? even did get rid of the even if she did get rid of the echr. well, even if she did get rid of the echr . well, she can. good echr. well, she can. good errernoon— echr. well, she can. good afternoon and— c 3 well, she can. good afternoon and good afternoon, ewn.eorye n— afternoon and good afternoon, ewn.eorye n you— afternoon and good afternoon, everyone. �*" ca" everyone. if you can suddenly pass the law in the uk , that's pass the law in the uk, that's something provided it goes through the house of parliament here. so it certainly can do run— here. so it certainly can do run nee.— here. so it certainly can do run nere. — here. so it certainly can do that here. but— here. so it certainly can do that here. but is- here. so it certainly can do that here. but is it- ”rss so it certainly can do that here. c gs g that here. but is it going to get stuck in court battles in england and the echr ? i'm sure england and the echr? i'm sure it will. so she can certainly- it will. so she can certainly does— it will. so she can certainly pose rne— it will. so she can certainly does rne row,— it will. so she can certainly pass the law, but i think you're going— pass the law, but i think you're gorng ro— pass the law, but i think you're gorng ro rind— pass the law, but i think you're gorng ro rrnd dr— pass the law, but i think you're going to find it getting getting bound— going to find it getting getting bound-krke- going to find it getting getting bound-like the- going to find it getting getting bound like the rwanda bound up, much like the rwanda dorky— bound up, much like the rwanda pokkyl — bound up, much like the rwanda pokreyl see.— bound up, much like the rwanda policy-. see, that's- bound up, much like the rwanda policy . policy did. see, that's the worry. there's all this talk about doing this and doing that, but yet it doesn't sound like it's actually going to make any difference whatsoever . we're difference whatsoever. we're going to bring in stephen wolff. he's director of centre he's the director of the centre

for stephen, what's for migration. stephen, what's your view on it? well i think it's obviously a very important part for government to try part for the government to try and made those people in and pursue made those people in the north england that they the north of england that they are whatever they are actually doing whatever they can to that the flights can to ensure that the flights to rwanda ahead. we also to rwanda will go ahead. we also have to consider the— to rwanda will go ahead. we also have to consider the fact- 3: cc gs : we also have to consider the fact that we— have to consider the fact that we rnrenn — have to consider the fact that the interim judgements of knicke— the interim judgements of anrde oo— the interim judgements of article 39 aren't used. that neody— article 39 aren't used. that redky very— article 39 aren't used. that really very much. there have been— really very much. there have been onky— really very much. there have been only seven— really very much. there have been only seven out of 180 regueere— been only seven out of 180 regueere for— been only seven out of 180 requests for an _ been only seven out of 180 requests for an interim measures rne— requests for an interim measures rne goer— requests for an interim measures over the past three _ requests for an interim measures over the past three years and we— over the past three years and we nonr— over the past three years and the most important of those for the most important of those for the governments— the most important of those for the governments perspective was nor— the governments perspective was run or— the governments perspective was run or we— the governments perspective was that of the rwanda— the governments perspective was that of the rwanda flights. so you-re— that of the rwanda flights. so youre kookrng— that of the rwanda flights. so you're looking at— that of the rwanda flights. so you're looking at a european coun— you're looking at a european court jurisprudence that doesn't grand— court jurisprudence that doesn't gronr ro— court jurisprudence that doesn't grdnr no new — court jurisprudence that doesn't grant to many. when they do, grant to many. but when they do, rney— grant to many. but when they do, rney ore— grant to many. but when they do, they are significant. and in rnre— they are significant. and in due eoee— they are significant. and in this case, she— they are significant. and in this case, she needs to persuade rnoee— this case, she needs to persuade dose in— this case, she needs to persuade those in parliament that she's doing— those in parliament that she's doing something— those in parliament that she's doing something strongly and she neede— doing something strongly and she needs ro— doing something strongly and she needs to persuade— doing something strongly and she needs to persuade those in the young— needs to persuade those in the young-.— needs to persuade those in the wodng-. snee— needs to persuade those in the voting . she's doing voting areas. she's doing eonernrng— voting areas. she's doing something-as- voting areas. she's doing something as well . voting areas. she's doing- something-as well . she's something strong as well. she's going— something strong as well. she's gong-newe— something strong as well. she's gornglnnwe n— something strong as well. she's going-have a tough- something strong as well. she's going have a tough job. this going to have a tough job. this is worry. even if does is my worry. even if she does get out of the echr whether it will actually matter. matthew stadlen , your view? well, my stadlen, your view? well, my real worry here is that suella

braverman and this tory government and it's not the first time are trashing our reputation for a country that not only upholds the rule of law, but is a champion of the rule of law around the world. it is so important for our international— it is so important for our international reputation that we obey— international reputation that we obey international law. it is goodne— obey international law. it is poeernke, oe— obey international law. it is possible, as we've already heard for we— possible, as we've already heard for the government to legislate as for the government to legislate no n— for the government to legislate no n wene,— for the government to legislate as it wishes, as— for the government to legislate as it wishes, as long as it passes— as it wishes, as long as it passes things— as it wishes, as long as it passes things through parliament,- passes things through parliament, parliament is eoweergn— parliament, parliament is sovereign, but— parliament, parliament is sovereign, but if it is trying to sovereign, but if it is trying ro regrekore— sovereign, but if it is trying to legislate its— sovereign, but if it is trying to legislate its way out of its responsibilities— to legislate its way out of its responsibilities to international law , that's international law, that's a massive problem. if she really wonde— massive problem. if she really wonre ro— massive problem. if she really wonre ro do— massive problem. if she really wants to do this,— massive problem. if she really wants to do this, what she'd need— wants to do this, what she'd need ro— wants to do this, what she'd need ro do, — wants to do this, what she'd need ro do, r— wants to do this, what she'd need to do, i suspect, is get us as need to do, i suspect, is get us do u eounrry— need to do, i suspect, is get us do u eounrry ro— need to do, i suspect, is get us as a country to withdraw from we— as a country to withdraw from we european— as a country to withdraw from the european court of human rdgnre— the european court of human rdgnre .— the european court of human rdgnre. r— the european court of human rdgnre. r don-r— the european court of human rights. i don't think she's wowe— rights. i don't think she's brave enough— rights. i don't think she's brave enough to try to do that. and— brave enough to try to do that. and n— brave enough to try to do that. and if ene— brave enough to try to do that. and if she does— brave enough to try to do that. and if she does try to do it, i none— and if she does try to do it, i none-muon— and if she does try to do it, i hope-much she- and if she does try to do it, i hope much she doesn't hope very much she doesn't eueed— hope very much she doesn'ti succeed—underpins succeed because it underpins rnor— succeed because it underpins run our.— succeed because it underpins rnor eoun. n— succeed because it underpins that court. it underpins human ngnre— that court. it underpins human ngnre on— that court. it underpins human ngnre on we— that court. it underpins human rights on the european continent . and— rights on the european continent . and we— rights on the european continent . and we enro— rights on the european continent . and we brits were key players in establishing— . and we brits were key players in establishing it— . and we brits were key players in establishing it in the early oooe— in establishing it in the early rosoe n— in establishing it in the early 19505. in the— in establishing it in the early 1950s. in the aftermath of the second— 1950s. in the aftermath of the second world _ 1950s. in the aftermath of the

second world war. rebecca reed keen— second world war. rebecca reed keen .— second world war. rebecca reed keen , ro— second world war. rebecca reed keen , o de— second world war. rebecca reed yeah , to the idea— second world war. rebecca reed yeah , to the idea that we should yeah, to the idea that we should reeve— yeah, to the idea that we should keowe rne — yeah, to the idea that we should leave the echr— yeah, to the idea that we should leave the echr is— yeah, to the idea that we should leave the echr is incredibly eeory— leave the echr is incredibly eeory end— leave the echr is incredibly scary and depressing. cc�* c scary and depressing. i don't know— scary and depressing. i don't know odour— scary and depressing. i don't know about you, but i love human rights. i like having them. i like being part of the support system for them. and i think it's very risky that if we leave, it might come crumbling down countries as down for other countries as well. i refuse to well. i'm just i just refuse to be some people be so angry about some people taking to this country taking access to this country that isn't legally theirs , that that isn't legally theirs, that i want to screw everybody else in this country over by reducing our access to properly legislated human rights organisations. ithink legislated human rights organisations. i think what's noppened— organisations. i think what's ndppened nere— organisations. i think what's happened here is— g s i think what's happened here is that suella dike— happened here is that suella krke ner— happened here is that suella like her predecessor pretty, has node— like her predecessor pretty, has node o— like her predecessor pretty, has node o nonn— like her predecessor pretty, has made a habit of— like her predecessor pretty, has made a habit of saying big, rougn— made a habit of saying big, rougn rnrnge— made a habit of saying big, tough things and achieving very rude.— tough things and achieving very rude. and— tough things and achieving very little. and what— tough things and achieving very little. and what they do is they kook— little. and what they do is they took for— little. and what they do is they took for o— little. and what they do is they look for a scapegoat. so let's just— look for a scapegoat. so let's just say— look for a scapegoat. so let's just say that it's because of the echr blame that most people in this country, myself included, until i did the google when started talking about when we started talking about this, means. this, don't know what it means. therefore , it's an easy therefore, it's an easy scapegoat,— therefore, it's an easy scapegoat, something blame. scapegoat, something to blame. rede— scapegoat, something to blame. redo-dre— scapegoat, something to blame. redo-rte rnor- scapegoat, something to blame. let's-it's that it's- let's just say it's that it's nor— let's just say it's that it's nor-roun- — let's just say it's that it's not fault. doesn't matter not my fault. doesn't matter rnor— not my fault. doesn't matter rnor-gerdng— not my fault. doesn't matter that getting nothing that i'm getting nothing done. i'm just saying mean things.

wed— i'm just saying mean things. well,-stephen,- i'm just saying mean things. well, stephen, if she well, well, stephen, if she nge— well, well, stephen, if she nge ro— well, well, stephen, if she manages to do— well, well, stephen, if she manages to do this , will. �*fw�* cc manages to do this, will. will it manages to do this, will. will u ndudky— manages to do this, will. will u ndudky .— manages to do this, will. will u ndudky. r— manages to do this, will. will it actually , i just— manages to do this, will. will it actually , i just want to see it actually, i just want to see if she can actually then effectively early start, get her rwanda plan off the do rwanda plan off the ground. do you that there could be a you think that there could be a chance if she does this, chance that if she does this, this this is actually the problem? well, can i reflect rrrerky— problem? well, can i reflect rrrerky on— problem? well, can i reflect firstly on .previous- c well, can i reflect firstly on previous two firstly on the previous two epeokere— firstly on the previous two speakers about— firstly on the previous two speakers about rights ? speakers about human rights? ruddy,— speakers about human rights? firstly, leaving— speakers about human rights? firstly, leaving the european coun— firstly, leaving the european coun or— firstly, leaving the european court of human— firstly, leaving the european court of human rights will not teewe— court of human rights will not leave britain— court of human rights will not leave britain without human ngnre.— leave britain without human ngnre. wewe— leave britain without human rights. we've had them since our common law and— rights. we've had them since our common law and we've worked pretty—ro- pretty hard as a nation to enennne— pretty hard as a nation to enshrine that— pretty hard as a nation to enshrine that in our own common law enshrine that in our own common kowlkegrekodon— enshrine that in our own common law-legislation in— enshrine that in our own common law legislation in and law as legislation in and wrrnour— law as legislation in and wrrnour o— law as legislation in and without a doubt, i don't think rnor— without a doubt, i don't think nor-reduce— without a doubt, i don't think that-reduce the- without a doubt, i don't think that reduce the amount of that would reduce the amount of nunon— that would reduce the amount of nunon ngnre— that would reduce the amount of human rights-this— that would reduce the amount of human rights this country at human rights in this country at all. human rights in this country at dd. re— human rights in this country at dd. re ene— human rights in this country at all. is she able— human rights in this country at all. is she able and capable of oenrewng— all. is she able and capable of oenrewng n— all. is she able and capable of achieving it without leaving the european— achieving it without leaving the european coun— achieving it without leaving the european court of— achieving it without leaving the european court of human rights? rnre— european court of human rights? this—government- this is what the government kowyere— this is what the government. kowyere—noe lawyers depart government has been— lawyers depart government has been-achieve- lawyers depart government has been-achieve for- lawyers depart government has been achieve for quite been trying to achieve for quite eone-r— been trying to achieve for quite some - i believe - been trying to achieve for quite some i believe that some time. and i believe that under—illegal. under the migration, illegal nrgrodon— under the migration, illegal migration bill,— under the migration, illegal migration bill, they've a migration bill, they've done a very— migration bill, they've done a very significant— migration bill, they've done a very significant move to try and remain within— very significant move to try and remain within the— very significant move to try and remain within the european courte— remain within the european coune or— remain within the european courts of human rights . and as courts of human rights. and as i mentioned— courts of human rights. and as i mentioned, there— courts of human rights. and as i mentioned, there are very few occasions when— mentioned, there are very few occasions when it's actually ueed— occasions when it's actually ueed, nur— occasions when it's actually ueed, our r— occasions when it's actually used, but i do— occasions when it's actually used, but i do suspect that if

rnere— used, but i do suspect that if rnere re— used, but i do suspect that if there is another— used, but i do suspect that if there is another situation like there is another situation like we rnrenn— there is another situation like the interim measure that was ueed— the interim measure that was ueed ogdner— the interim measure that was used against rwanda, where it eeye— used against rwanda, where it eeye tne— used against rwanda, where it eoye rne dorky— used against rwanda, where it says the policy that can go weed,— says the policy that can go ahead, then _ says the policy that can go ahead, then then will use it ahead, then then she will use it neeouee— ahead, then then she will use it neeouee rne— ahead, then then she will use it because the political imperative kyw— because the political imperative kyw re— because the political imperative kyw re roo— because the political imperative kyiv is too significant to fail . interesting. _ kyiv is too significant to fail . interesting. interesting. david, what do you think ? i david, what do you think? i think here one of the most concerning— think here one of the most concerning things is if this doee— concerning things is if this doee ger— concerning things is if this does get through and it does doee— does get through and it does pass effectively— does get through and it does pass effectively what we've got is pass effectively what we've got re d— pass effectively what we've got re d nrnrerer— pass effectively what we've got is a minister that's unable to ignore— is a minister that's unable to ignore o— is a minister that's unable to rgnore o coun— is a minister that's unable to ignore a court order in certain circumstances— ignore a court order in certain circumstances and whether it's a european— circumstances and whether it's a european coun— circumstances and whether it's a european eoun or— circumstances and whether it's a european court or whether it's an european court or whether it's on rngden— european court or whether it's an english court— european court or whether it's an english court or a scottish coun— an english court or a scottish eoun or— an english court or a scottish court or whatever— an english court or a scottish court or whatever it may be, nor— court or whatever it may be, run enoukd— court or whatever it may be, that should never be allowed to happen- — that should never be allowed to ndppen. and— that should never be allowed to happen. and from _ that should never be allowed to happen. and from a principle of protection— happen. and from a principle of protection or— happen. and from a principle of protection of-of_ happen. and from a principle of protection of of law. and protection of rule of law. and we-reeenrky— protection of rule of law. and we - recently the - protection of rule of law. and we recently the former we saw recently the former lord onen— we saw recently the former lord cnrer-rord — chief justice, lord thomas, eoyrng— chief justice, lord thomas, eoyrng rnor— chief justice, lord thomas, saying that that's a you saying that that's not a you know,— saying that that's not a you know, rnor-e— saying that that's not a you know, that's not— saying that that's not a you know, that's not a european judge— know, that's not a european tudge eoyrng— know, that's not a european judge saying that. that's a former— judge saying that. that's aj former—english former head of the english eoune— former head of the english ouwn-e- former head of the english courts we should not courts saying, we should not enewe— courts saying, we should not enable ministers— courts saying, we should not enable ministers to look the odd— enable ministers to look the one wey— enable ministers to look the other way and _ enable ministers to look the other way and ignore court orered— other way and ignore court ordere—wrkki other way and ignore court- orders _will that orders because where will that ende— orders because where will that ende-eron— orders because where will that end?-start going- orders because where will that end? start going down end? will that start going down no— end? will that start going down into domestic— end? will that start going down into domestic courts? if we eten— into domestic courts? if we. eron—rcnke start enabling that with echr? so

start enabling that with echr? so wnrker— start enabling that with echr? so wnrker r— start enabling that with echr? so whilst i like— start enabling that with echr? so whilst i like some of your one— so whilst i like some of your one gueere— so whilst i like some of your other guests want to remain in the other guests want to remain in we european— other guests want to remain in the european courts, you know, if the european courts, you know, nude— the european courts, you know, more going— the european courts, you know, more going-o- if we are going to put a erruodon— if we are going to put a situation in— if we are going to put a situation in where we're able to kook— situation in where we're able to kook tne— situation in where we're able to look the other— situation in where we're able to look the other way— situation in where we're able to look the other way and ignore eendn— look the other way and ignore certain-orders,- look the other way and ignore certain orders, then certain court orders, then eureky— certain court orders, thenj eureky—eone surely it's better to come out of surely it's better to come out or run— surely it's better to come out or rnor-rnon- surely it's better to come out of that than effectively of that rather than effectively nong— of that rather than effectively ndwng, dgdn— of that rather than effectively having, again, constitutional wondoden— having, again, constitutional vandalism of— having, again, constitutional vandalism of rule law . vandalism of the rule of law. rnrereedng— vandalism of the rule of law. interesting stuff. _ vandalism of the rule of law. interesting stuff. matthew stadlen yeah, i just want to say that i think the rwanda flights , let's not get overly distracted. the rwanda fight rkrgnre— distracted. the rwanda fight rdgnre ore— distracted. the rwanda fight flights are optics— c f: the rwanda fight flights are optics on the part of flights are optics on the part or suede— flights are optics on the part of suella braverman and this government — of suella braverman and this government. they are not even if tney— government. they are not even if rney wee— government. they are not even if rney ro— government. they are not even if rney to go— government. they are not even if they were to go ahead going to eowe— they were to go ahead going to eowe tne— they were to go ahead going to solve the crisis— they were to go ahead going to solve the crisis of— they were to go ahead going to solve the crisis of the channel we solve the crisis of the channel we ore— solve the crisis of the channel we eeerng— solve the crisis of the channel we are seeing people die errenpnng— we are seeing people die attempting to— we are seeing people die attempting to get to this country. — attempting to get to this country. tney— attempting to get to this country. they will continue to do — country. they will continue to do roen— country. they will continue to do rwen n— country. they will continue to do so. even if a— country. they will continue to do so. even if a few flights go off do so. even if a few flights go on ro— do so. even if a few flights go off to rwanda _ do so. even if a few flights go off to rwanda ,_ do so. even if a few flights go off to rwanda , there is no way off to rwanda, there is no way rnor— off to rwanda, there is no way not kwondo— off to rwanda, there is no way that rwanda will— off to rwanda, there is no way that rwanda will accept the eone— that rwanda will accept the sorts-numbers- that rwanda will accept the sorts numbers and that we sorts of numbers and that we wru— sorts of numbers and that we win ger— sorts of numbers and that we win get-oer— sorts of numbers and that we will get act together will get our act together sufficiently _ will get our act together sufficiently arnie to send geode— sufficiently arnie to send peopke rron — sufficiently arnie to send people from the channel to rwanda— people from the channel to rwanda .— people from the channel to rwanda . this— people from the channel to rwanda . this is— people from the channel to rwanda . this is an attempt by rwanda. this is an attempt by the government— rwanda. this is an attempt by the government to look ahead of the government to look ahead of we next— the government to look ahead of the next election— the government to look ahead of the next election as— the government to look ahead of the next election as though it is the next election as though it re gernng— the next election as though it re gernng o— the next election as though it is getting a grip— the next election as though it is getting a grip on an issue rnor— is getting a grip on an issue rnorlnoe— is getting a grip on an issue thatlhas decided- is getting a grip on an issue that has decided is toxic. it

that it has decided is toxic. it ro— that it has decided is toxic. it seems to me one— that it has decided is toxic. it seems to me one of the very few rnor— seems to me one of the very few issues that the— seems to me one of the very few issues that the tories are confident— issues that the tories are confident fighting next confident of fighting the next generat— confident of fighting the next general election— confident of fighting the next general election the general election on, given the torture— general election on, given the torture or— general election on, given the failures of economy , the failures of the economy, the torture— failures of the economy, the failures-the _ failures of the economy, the failures the health service failures of the health service and— failures of the health service and eo— failures of the health service and eo nonn— failures of the health service and so forth. and yet it is a red— and so forth. and yet it is a red nernng— and so forth. and yet it is a red herring because as i say, ewenlene— red herring because as i say, ewenlene gere— red herring because as i say, even she gets one up the even if she gets one up on the european— even if she gets one up on the european coun— even if she gets one up on the european court human rights even if she gets one up on the europ don't)urt human rights even if she gets one up on the europ don't think human rights even if she gets one up on the europ don't think that'san rights even if she gets one up on the europ don't think that's reallyits and i don't think that's really in ne— and i don't think that's really in the slightest,— and i don't think that's really in the slightest, we aren't going— in the slightest, we aren't gorng ro— in the slightest, we aren't gorng to de— in the slightest, we aren't going to be able to send nearly enougn— going to be able to send nearly enougn geode— going to be able to send nearly enougn peopke ro— going to be able to send nearly enough people to rwanda. even if you rnougnr— enough people to rwanda. even if you rnougnr-good- enough people to rwanda. even if you thought good idea you thought it was a good idea to you thought it was a good idea ro-nunon— you thought it was a good idea to-human beings- you thought it was a good idea to human beings to rwanda. to send human beings to rwanda. and r— to send human beings to rwanda. and r don-r. — to send human beings to rwanda. and i don't. well,— to send human beings to rwanda. and i don't. �*fw�*rscc : and i don't. well, she's talked about safe and legal routes as well, though. rebecca yeah, i mean, i couldn't agree more, honestly. it feels it's punitive , rde— honestly. it feels it's punitive , rr-e enowrng— honestly. it feels it's punitive , it's showing off,— honestly. it feels it's punitive , it's showing off, it's- , it's showing off, it's performative, it's what's the enreeeo— performative, it's what's the expression everybody expression that everybody on nere— expression that everybody on nere-wnue — expression that everybody on here virtue signalling? here loves virtue signalling? except— here loves virtue signalling? except-wnue- here loves virtue signalling? except-virtue to. here loves virtue signalling? except virtue to send except it's not a virtue to send people— except it's not a virtue to send peopke ro— except it's not a virtue to send peopke to o— except it's not a virtue to send people to a country where they drove — people to a country where they have .connection _ people to a country where they have connection and no have no connection and no infrastructure. _ have no connection and no- infrastructure. _family. have no connection and no- infrasit'sture. _family. have no connection and no- infrasit's a re. _family. have no connection and no- infrasit's a really-family. have no connection and no infras c ”rsaccyr ccrsrg cacs�* car also, it's a really illogical plan on the basis that if you object to paying for asylum seekers to live, why , why would seekers to live, why, why would you then be like, fine, i'll pay for them to live in rwanda? i don't understand who in this country is pleased by this idea? safe and legal routes.

understanding why this problem is diplomacy . is happening. proper diplomacy. waking— is happening. proper diplomacy. making friends— is happening. proper diplomacy. making friends-france- g proper diplomacy. making friends france again making friends with france again a making friends with france again o-nokrng— making friends with france again o-nokrng-workl a bit more, making that work better.— a bit more, making that work newer-kook- a bit more, making that work better.-look ,- a bit more, making that work better.-look , i'm- a bit more, making that work better. look , i'm not better. i mean, look, i'm not a oodddon— better. i mean, look, i'm not a politician, but— better. i mean, look, i'm not a politician, but i'm— better. i mean, look, i'm not a politician, but i'm thinking rneee— politician, but i'm thinking rneee nrgnr— politician, but i'm thinking these might better ideas than these might be better ideas than eonernrng—okki something like putting them all on-because at- something like putting them all on-because at the- something like putting them all on because at the moment on barges because at the moment it on barges because at the moment rr—eeene— on barges because at the moment rr—eeene irke- on barges because at the moment it seems like they've it sometimes seems like they've nod— it sometimes seems like they've| nod—gone had a meeting and they've gone no-rdeoe— had a meeting and they've gone no ideas, everything goes no bad ideas, everything goes on the no bad ideas, everything goes on tne—wen- no bad ideas, everything goes on the _then they'vel the whiteboard and then they've just the whiteboard and then they've duet—or— the whiteboard and then they've tuer—or rnor- the whiteboard and then they've tuer—or run to. just presented all of that to tne— just presented all of that to tne-country. - just presented all of that to the country. ' rs just presented all of that to- the-country. arnie well, the actual country. arnie well, rudde— the actual country. arnie well, that's better having no that's better than having no ideas i mean, ideas whatsoever though. i mean, look party. look at the labour party. i haven't heard anything decent from rebecca reid, haven't heard anything decent from you rebecca reid, haven't heard anything decent from you much.3becca reid, haven't heard anything decent from you much.3becca good thank you so much. really good to talk to you. she's an author and david and broadcaster, david haig. he's international human he's an international human rights stadlen, rights lawyer. matthew stadlen, political woolf, for the stephen woolf, director for the centre migration and centre for migration and economic prosperity . thank you economic prosperity. thank you so for your well, so much for your thoughts. well, what you think about that? what do you think about that? get gb gb get in touch. gb views at gb news with me. i'm news .uk you're with me. i'm nana is gb news on tv nana akua. this is gb news on tv , online and on digital radio on the we'll continue with our the way. we'll continue with our great hour, great british debate this hour, and should suella and i'm asking should suella braverman european braverman ignore the european courts? the thoughts courts? you'll hear the thoughts of panel, and of my panel, author and broadcaster christine hamilton and and broadcaster broadcaster christine hamilton and kelly. and broadcaster broadcaster christine hamilton and kelly. butd broadcaster broadcaster christine hamilton and kelly. but first,adcaster broadcaster christine hamilton and kelly. but first, let'ster danny kelly. but first, let's get headlines .

get your latest news headlines. 5:33. i'm ray addison. the government— 5:33. i'm ray addison. the government is— 5:33. i'm ray addison. the government is launching a review to find— government is launching a review to find our— government is launching a review to find our wny— government is launching a review to find out why some mobile nnone— to find out why some mobile gnone ueere— to find out why some mobile phone users did— to find out why some mobile phone users did not receive rodoy-e— phone users did not receive today's email— phone users did not receive today's email urgency test alert harmondsworth— today's email urgency test alert harmondsworth at at 3 pm, most people— harmondsworth at at 3 pm, most peopke reeewed— harmondsworth at at 3 pm, most people received a— harmondsworth at at 3 pm, most people received a message on rnerr— people received a message on rnerr none— people received a message on their home screen— people received a message on their home screen along with a eound— their home screen along with a eound end— their home screen along with a sound and vibration for up to ren— sound and vibration for up to ten eeonde— sound and vibration for up to ten seconds. however, some nonde— ten seconds. however, some nonde ueere— ten seconds. however, some mobile users on— ten seconds. however, some mobile users on some networks, rndudrng— mobile users on some networks, rndudrng twee,— mobile users on some networks, including three, did not. some people— including three, did not. some peopke newe— including three, did not. some people have also— including three, did not. some people have also posted on eodok— people have also posted on social media— people have also posted on social media to— people have also posted on social media to say they've not been— social media to say they've not been ente— social media to say they've not been due ro— social media to say they've not been able to make— social media to say they've not been able to make or receive oede— been able to make or receive eokke enee— been able to make or receive calls since the— been able to make or receive calls since the alarm . british calls since the alarm. british drpkonore— calls since the alarm. british diplomats and— calls since the alarm. british diplomats and their families newe— diplomats and their families nowe teen— diplomats and their families have been evacuated from sudan onrd— have been evacuated from sudan amid escalating— have been evacuated from sudan amid escalating violence in the country— amid escalating violence in the country .— amid escalating violence in the country . rne— amid escalating violence in the country . the prime minister says country. the prime minister says uk country. the prime minister says uk orned— country. the prime minister says uk armed forces— country. the prime minister says uk armed forces completed a compre— uk armed forces completed a complex mission— uk armed forces completed a complex mission in the capital ham,— complex mission in the capital khartoum, alongside other emee.— khartoum, alongside other allies. hundreds of civilians newe— allies. hundreds of civilians nowe dred— allies. hundreds of civilians have died in— allies. hundreds of civilians have died in the violent eonrder— have died in the violent conflict between the sudanese orny— conflict between the sudanese orny end— conflict between the sudanese army and o— conflict between the sudanese army and a rival— conflict between the sudanese army and a rival paramilitary group—

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that deportation flights to that stop deportation flights to rwanda.— that stop deportation flights to rwanda. wow— that stop deportation flights to rwanda. now the changes to the rkkegok— rwanda. now the changes to the illegal migration— rwanda. now the changes to the illegal migration bill is an attempt— illegal migration bill is an attempt appease illegal migration bill is an attempt-appease 60 attempt to appease around 60 coneeworwe— attempt to appease around 60 conservative .who - attempt to appease around 60 conservative who had conservative mps who had demanded— conservative mps who had demanded that the government rake— demanded that the governmenti rake—ogorner demanded that the governmenti taktechr_against demanded that the governmenti taktechr ._against demanded that the government taktechr . so against demanded that the government taktechr . so the against demanded that the government taktechr . so the question ainst demanded that the government taktechr . so the question is, st the echr. so the question is, enoukd— the echr. so the question is, enoukd re— the echr. so the question is, should is she— the echr. so the question is, should is she right for the ereer— should is she right for the great british— should is she right for the great british debate this hour, i'm great british debate this hour, r-n oekrng— great british debate this hour, i'm asking should suella braverman— i'm asking should suella braverman ignore the european eounee— braverman ignore the europeani eounee—ponek courts? let's see what my panel nake— courts? let's see what my panel make or— courts? let's see what my panel make of nor. — courts? let's see what my panel make of that. i'm— courts? let's see what my panel make of that. i'm joined by cnnedne— make of that. i'm joined by. christine—danny christine hamilton and danny kekky— christine hamilton and danny kelly-christine,- christine hamilton and danny kelly. christine, i'll go kelly. right christine, i'll go to you.— kelly. right christine, i'll go to you. penny— kelly. right christine, i'll go to you. danny kelly, thank you for we— to you. danny kelly, thank you for the truth. _ to you. danny kelly, thank you for the truth. �*fw�*sac for the truth. what's the question? should- for the truth. �*fw�*sac : sc should we for the truth. �*fw�*sac s c should we leave for the truth. what's the- question? should we leave the no suede— question? should we leave the no suella braverman _ s c should we leave the no suella braverman ignore them. so suella braverman ignore them. so were— suella braverman ignore them. so gor— suella braverman ignore them. so god tne— suella braverman ignore them. so we've got the rule— suella braverman ignore them. so we've got the rule 39- suella braverman ignore them. so we've got the rule 39 where she can just have a veto, says we can ignore what they say. i'm was listening i'm torn. i was listening rnrenrky— i'm torn. i was listening intently .that- i'm torn. i was listening intently that four intently to that four panel rnrerwew— intently to that four panel interview before the some of interview and before the some of the contributors— interview and before the some of the contributors i. _ interview and before the some of the contributors i. i— interview and before the some of the contributors i. i thought run,— the contributors i. i thought not, yee— the contributors i. i thought rndr, yee we— the contributors i. i thought that, yes, we need to leave the pepp— that, yes, we need to leave the rent oe— that, yes, we need to leave the rent oe o— that, yes, we need to leave the echr as a deterrent. but then worrnew— echr as a deterrent. but then matthew said— echr as a deterrent. but then matthew said something that i rnrnk— matthew said something that i rnrnk re— matthew said something that i rnrnk re dune— matthew said something that i think is quite accurate. he says rnor— think is quite accurate. he says run we— think is quite accurate. he says run we nor— think is quite accurate. he says that it's not going— think is quite accurate. he says that it's not going to stop peopke— that it's not going to stop people jumping on dinghies. okoye— people jumping on dinghies. okay? so— people jumping on dinghies. okoye so u— people jumping on dinghies. okay? so if it's— people jumping on dinghies. okay? so if it's not going to work— okay? so if it's not going to work and— okay? so if it's not going to work and n— okay? so if it's not going to work and if the— okay? so if it's not going to work and if the rwanda plan, onky— work and if the rwanda plan, onky gong— work and if the rwanda plan, we're only going to be able to fly we're only going to be able to fly on— we're only going to be able to fly off-hundred- we're only going to be able to fly off hundred every fly off a few hundred every ronnrgnr— fly off a few hundred every ronnrgnr ro— fly off a few hundred every fortnight to rwanda, and they're onky— fortnight to rwanda, and they're onky-ro—

fortnight to rwanda, and they're onky-ro decept— fortnight to rwanda, and they're only-to accept a- fortnight to rwanda, and they're only to accept a finite only going to accept a finite announ— only going to accept a finite. amount-as-so only going to accept a finite- amount-as-so 500 amount of people as well. so 500 peopke— amount of people as well. so 500 peopke-ower— amount of people as well. so 500 peopke-ower ro— amount of people as well. so 500 people-over to the- amount of people as well. so 500 people over to the uk people came over to the uk yeererdoy— people came over to the uk. yeererddy—odd yesterday on dinghies, 40 odd rnoueond— yesterday on dinghies, 40 odd thousand-year— yesterday on dinghies, 40 odd thousand year and yes, thousand last year and yes, porenrrody— thousand last year and yes, potentially it's— thousand last year and yes, potentially it's life threatening. but if you look at the threatening. but if you look at we odde— threatening. but if you look at the odds, unfortunately, i think say the odds, unfortunately, i think eoy ro— the odds, unfortunately, i think eoy o or— the odds, unfortunately, i think eoy o or o— the odds, unfortunately, i think say 10 or 12 people have died end— say 10 or 12 people have died and .o— say 10 or 12 people have died end we or— say 10 or 12 people have died and 40 or 50,000— say 10 or 12 people have died and 40 or 50,000 people. so it's odde— and 40 or 50,000 people. so it's odde on— and 40 or 50,000 people. so it's odde on war— and 40 or 50,000 people. so it's odds on that you're— and 40 or 50,000 people. so it's odds on that you're not going to de— odds on that you're not going to die. so— odds on that you're not going to die. so rde— odds on that you're not going to die. so it's not— odds on that you're not going to die. so it's not as— odds on that you're not going to die. so it's not as dangerous a eroeerng— die. so it's not as dangerous a eroeernglo— die. so it's not as dangerous a crossing-a lot— die. so it's not as dangerous a crossing-a lot of— die. so it's not as dangerous a crossing a lot of people crossing as a lot of people woukd— crossing as a lot of people would have— crossing as a lot of people would have you- crossing as a lot of people would have you believe. so the nyereno— would have you believe. so the nyereno end— would have you believe. so the hysteria and there's a bit of nyereno— hysteria and there's a bit of hysteria _from - hysteria and there's a bit of hysteria from from hysteria coming from from kepeeeo— hysteria coming from from rebecca, i, rebecca, i think you know, i, i dune— rebecca, i think you know, i, i dune dke— rebecca, i think you know, i, i quite like human— rebecca, i think you know, i, i quite like human and it's rebecca, i think you know, i, i quite toe human and it's rebecca, i think you know, i, i quite to crumble and it's rebecca, i think you know, i, i quite to crumble away. and it's rebecca, i think you know, i, i quite to crumble away. i nd it's rebecca, i think you know, i, i quite to crumble away. i think; going to crumble away. i think we're a-society- going to crumble away. i think we're a society and we're a decent society and i rnrnk— we're a decent society and i rnrnk rnor— we're a decent society and i think that the _ we're a decent society and i think that the united kingdom don-r— think that the united kingdom don-r-rne— think that the united kingdom don't-the echr- think that the united kingdom don't the echr to give don't need the echr to give peopke— don't need the echr to give peopke nunon— don't need the echr to give people human rights. so i'm eonrkrered— people human rights. so i'm conflicted because what's the point— conflicted because what's the point or— conflicted because what's the point of leaving— conflicted because what's the point of leaving if the deterrent _ point of leaving if the deterrent isn't going to work? wnen— deterrent isn't going to work? wnen we— deterrent isn't going to work? which was matthew's point. i and if which was matthew's point. i and n we— which was matthew's point. i and n we nor— which was matthew's point. i and n we not gong— which was matthew's point. i and if it's not going to— which was matthew's point. i and if it's not going to work, why are we leaving— if it's not going to work, why are we leaving ? - if it's not going to work, why are we leaving ? are we leaving? but then you need some sort of deterrent . and need some sort of deterrent. and if it does work, it might work. if it works, then i'm with you. christine. well i just think we should matter of should leave as a matter of principle. mean, we don't need should leave as a matter of pranymore mean, we don't need should leave as a matter of pranymore . uh,. we don't need should leave as a matter of pranymore . uh, the don't need should leave as a matter of pranymore . uh, the situationed it anymore. uh, the situation nowodoye— it anymore. uh, the situation nowodoye re— it anymore. uh, the situation nowadays is totally- c a�*yr s“r::r”rs uh, the situation nowadays is totally different from— nowadays is totally different tron—r- nowadays is totally different from—i think. nowadays is totally differentj from—i think it nowadays is totally different- from_| think it was from the 19 1950. i think it was when when came in, when it

when it when it came in, when it was countries was to stop countries sliding into horrors of fascism and into the horrors of fascism and communism , you know, that isn't communism, you know, that isn't that doesn't apply to this country , does it? and we now country, does it? and we now have our own supreme court. we have our own supreme court. we have our own judges, and we are perfectly capable, in my opinion , standing up for human , of standing up for human rights country. rights in this country. and we don't judges from don't need judges from azerbaijan and montenegro or wherever these countries are telling us what to do. we simply don't need them anymore. so we should out . it is irrelevant should get out. it is irrelevant to us this country. we are to us in this country. we are perfectly capable of upholding human for heaven's sake human rights. for heaven's sake . over the course centuries, . over the course of centuries, we have been regarded as a bastion of liberty. yeah, you could say that about our nhs. and look how embarrassing that turned not turned out to be. we're not talking about the nhs and, you know, we will be joining countries like, like new zealand, australia, america , zealand, australia, america, canada. we not going to be canada. we are not going to be people say, oh, you'll be joining like russia . yes. joining places like russia. yes. but also be joining but we will also be joining countries that we do regard as part of the argument is, is our reputation around world. i reputation around the world. i think said that, you

think matthew said that, you know,— think matthew said that, you know,-standing,- think matthew said that, you know, standing, our know, our standing, our reputation— know, our standing, our reputation, go know, our standing, our reputation,-go and reputation, it will go down and derenorore. — reputation, it will go down and deteriorate. i don't- reputation, it will go down and deteriorate..don't i- reputation, it will go down and deteriorate. cs" c cs" c deteriorate. i don't i don't think that's i don't first of all, i don't think that's correct. and don't see correct. and i don't see the relevance of— correct. and i don't see the relevance of it.— correct. and i don't see the relevance of it. i— ff and i don't see the relevance of it. i think britain is relevance of it. i think britain re greater— relevance of it. i think britain is greater than— relevance of it. i think britain is greater than just us leaving the is greater than just us leaving rne rcnk. — is greater than just us leaving rne rcnk. r— is greater than just us leaving the echr. i don't— is greater than just us leaving the echr. i don't think people around— the echr. i don't think people around tne— the echr. i don't think people around the world— the echr. i don't think people around the world will think, oh, rnoee— around the world will think, oh, those-englanders- around the world will think, oh, those englanders again. those little englanders again. you— those little englanders again. wore-— those little englanders again. you-are great- those little englanders again. you are great britain. you know, we are great britain. were— you know, we are great britain. were-won— you know, we are great britain. we-re-rnon-orl we're more than capable of kookrng— we're more than capable of looking after— we're more than capable of looking after people's human ngnre.— looking after people's human rode—wor- looking after people's human rights._that it's. rights. if he's right that it's nor— rights. if he's right that it's not gong— rights. if he's right that it's not going-work- rights. if he's right that it's not going work as a not going to work as a deterrent,— not going to work as a deterrent, it's- not going to work as a deterrent, it's well, deterrent, it's a bit well, wnere— deterrent, it's a bit well, what's - point? - deterrent, it's a bit well, what's point? but deterrent, it's a bit well,. what's-point?-but , deterrent, it's a bit well,- what's-point?-but , but, what's the point? but but, but, but what's the point? but but, but, our-we— what's the point? but but, but, purlwe ready— what's the point? but but, but, but we really need it anyway? but do we really need it anyway? i but do we really need it anyway? r-cnnedne— but do we really need it anyway? i-christine said,- i mean, as christine said, i mean, if then it, we mean, if we then leave it, we are down to our own our own devices, what of devices, which is what kind of brexit your hardcore brexit was your hardcore brexiteer at the way brexiteer arnie? look at the way r— brexiteer arnie? look at the way we've i mean, look,— brexiteer arnie? look at the way we've i mean, look, i— fifcx ' rs?” look at the way we've i mean, look, i wanted us to we've i mean, look, i wanted us ro-enorge— we've i mean, look, i wanted us ro-enorge or— we've i mean, look, i wanted us ro-enorge or our- we've i mean, look, i wanted us to charge of our laws, to be in charge of our own laws, own-end— to be in charge of our own laws, our own and everything, our own rules and everything, pur— our own rules and everything, our—tne- our own rules and everything. but—the politicians but i'm watching the politicians and but i'm watching the politicians. end—end and the way they're behaving and i'm and the way they're behaving and m —neon- and the way they're behaving and m —neon .- i'm sort of thinking, i mean, rde— i'm sort of thinking, i mean, we nor— i'm sort of thinking, i mean, we not nor— i'm sort of thinking, i mean, it's not that i— i'm sort of thinking, i mean, it's not that i prefer the ruropeon— it's not that i prefer the european courts or anything, but i'm european courts or anything, but r-n—rney-rel i'm looking at the way they're penowng— i'm looking at the way they're penowng ond— i'm looking at the way they're behaving and i'm— i'm looking at the way they're behaving and i'm wondering wnerner— behaving and i'm wondering whether actually whether they'll actually be eopopke— capable of. may i ask, christine? worries christine? that's what worries me. christine, you're a me. christine, are you you're a nordeore— me. christine, are you you're ai hardcore—don't hardcore brexiteer, so you don't wonr. — hardcore brexiteer, so you don't wonr. _wonr- hardcore brexiteer, so you don't wont—wont rol hardcore brexiteer, so you don'ti want. _want to be want. hang on. you want to be hardcore implies , you know, i'll hardcore implies, you know, i'll qualify job. i'll qualify. i am

a qualify job. i'll qualify. i am o brexiteer.— qualify job. i'll qualify. i am a brexiteer. no,— qualify job. i'll qualify. i am a brexiteer. no, no,- ccac ”an i'll qualify. i am a brexiteer. no, no, no. c a brexiteer. no, no, no. it doeen-r— a brexiteer. no, no, no. c : c imply you're doesn't apply. imply you're a nut top— doesn't apply. imply you're a nut top or— doesn't apply. imply you're a nut job at all. _ doesn't apply. imply you're a nut job at all. it— doesn't apply. imply you're a nut job at all. it is- doesn't apply. imply you're a nut job at all. it is a- : c imply you're a nut job at all. c c nut job at all. it is a bit. i mean, that's not how i hear, okay? but that's. yeah, but you're a purist. brexiteer yes, yes, yes. okay. purist, hardcore . running— yes, yes. okay. purist, hardcore . pushing back our own semantics and over our own rules, and power over our own rules, etcetera was part of it etcetera, was a major part of it for me yeah, that was the for me. yeah, but that was the point question . it's do point of my question. it's to do with autonomy. hardcore. with pure autonomy. hardcore. there you with pure autonomy. hardcore. rnere you go— with pure autonomy. hardcore. rnere you go .— with pure autonomy. hardcore. there you go . but— with pure autonomy. hardcore. there you go . but do- hardcore. there you go . but do you think there you go. but do you think our politicians— there you go. but do you think our politicians are— there you go. but do you think our politicians are capable of deoung— our politicians are capable of deoung-you- our politicians are capable of dealing you think our dealing with do you think our kegok— dealing with do you think our kegok eyeren— dealing with do you think our legal system capable? i mean, legal system is capable? i mean, kook— legal system is capable? i mean, rook-woy— legal system is capable? i mean, rook-woy-eoune- legal system is capable? i mean, look way courts deal look at the way the courts deal wron— look at the way the courts deal with sentencing— look at the way the courts deal with sentencing and all sorts of winge— with sentencing and all sorts of onrnge. r— with sentencing and all sorts of rnrnge. r neon— with sentencing and all sorts of things. i mean, we— with sentencing and all sorts of things. i mean, we are in a bit of o— things. i mean, we are in a bit or o-oo— things. i mean, we are in a bit of a-do-think- things. i mean, we are in a bit of a-do-think we're| of a mess. do you think we're eopopke— of a mess. do you think we're capable managing it? would capable of managing it? i would like capable of managing it? i would krke ue— capable of managing it? i would krke ue rd— capable of managing it? i would like us i'd like— capable of managing it? i would like us i'd like to— capable of managing it? i would like us i'd like to think we ore.|wonr— like us i'd like to think we are.iwant us— like us i'd like to think we are.iwant us to- like us i'd like to think we are. want us to doing are. i want us to be doing eweryrnrng— are. i want us to be doing everything-butl everything ourselves. but i onrnk— everything ourselves. but i thinklwould_ everything ourselves. but i think would more think i would have more confidence— think i would have more confidence in— think i would have more confidence in our think i would have more- confidence in our-system confidence in our legal system ond— confidence in our legal system ond-tudgee— confidence in our legal system and-judges that— confidence in our legal system and judges that throws and the judges that that throws up. —nowe- and the judges that that throws up. —nowe tn- and the judges that that throws up. —nowe rn onel up. then i would have in the unekeered— up. then i would have in the unelected people who are thrown up n— unelected people who are thrown up in one— unelected people who are thrown up n orner pone— unelected people who are thrown up in other parts of— unelected people who are thrown up in other parts of europe wnere— up in other parts of europe wnere wno— up in other parts of europe where who come under the echr , where who come under the echr, wnrenewer— where who come under the echr, wnrenewer n— where who come under the echr, whichever it is— where who come under the echr, whichever it is echr , i would whichever it is echr, i would nove— whichever it is echr, i would nowe muon— whichever it is echr, i would have much more— whichever it is echr, i would have much more confidence . and have much more confidence. and yes,— have much more confidence. and yee or— have much more confidence. and yee or ouee— have much more confidence. and yee, or r— have much more confidence. and yes, of course i don't agree wron— yes, of course i don't agree wrrn ou— yes, of course i don't agree

with all their— yes, of course i don't agree with all their decisions and nobody— with all their decisions and nobody eer— with all their decisions and nobody ever would in a democratic— nobody ever would in a democratic society, but i would . i democratic society, but i would . r pur— democratic society, but i would . r put my— democratic society, but i would . r put my money— democratic society, but i would . i put my money on the british tudgee— . i put my money on the british tudgee oe— . i put my money on the british tudgee oe oppoeed— . i put my money on the british judges as opposed to in some one— judges as opposed to in some one procee— judges as opposed to in some other places for— judges as opposed to in some other places for people who connot— other places for people who cannot trust _ other places for people who cannot trust gb _ other places for people who cannot trust gb legislation to kook— cannot trust gb legislation to kook oner— cannot trust gb legislation to look after human rights , they're look after human rights, they're unnrnged. — look after human rights, they're unhinged. they're— look after human rights, they're unhinged. "can ”c c. gcc look after human rights, they're unhinged. "st ”s s. gs: unhinged. they're unhinged, unhinged. about that . unhinged. they're unhinged, unhinged. about that. okay. well, you think i'm unhinged, then? thanks, danny . no, i do. then? thanks, danny. no, i do. you trust human rights ? you do. you trust human rights? you do. you trust human rights? you do. you trust human rights? you do. you trust the british? i'm just saying . i'm just looking at it saying. i'm just looking at it and saying, look, i would rather that we weren't in the echr if i'm totally honest, i don't think need agree with think we need it. i agree with you, that side of you, christine, on that side of things. i've also looked at things. but i've also looked at the way legal systems have the way our legal systems have run. i think that run. and sometimes i think that we to start looking we need to start looking at processes that processes and things that we have that's have in this country. that's a lot them. that's a different lot of them. that's a different argument listen, what lot of them. that's a different aris,nent listen, what lot of them. that's a different aris,ne if listen, what lot of them. that's a different aris,ne if we listen, what lot of them. that's a different aris,ne if we leave listen, what lot of them. that's a different aris,ne if we leave that n, what lot of them. that's a different aris,ne if we leave that we'vet it is, is if we leave that we've still got this i call it still got all this and i call it an industry of my migration sort of industry of lawyers who will oppose all different charges. and i'm just feeling that it might not any difference. might not make any difference. we'll have legal we'll still have legal challenges we'll challenges being opposed. we'll still to thinking, still have this to i'm thinking, will healthy to will we be able it's healthy to

have challenges. no, but have legal challenges. no, but it's the it's constant. it's all the time. but this is like keir starmer. when he signed that letter other letter along with 41 other people, not let the flight people, to not let the flight take off, and then this person people, to not let the flight takecommitted en this person people, to not let the flight takecommitted crimes. person people, to not let the flight takecommitted crimes. and)n people, to not let the flight takecommitted crimes. and it's had committed crimes. and it's just we just i don't know whether we will. that was the. yeah. so will. oh, that was the. yeah. so what i'm saying even even what i'm saying even if even if we're with echr, we are we're not with the echr, we are stopping ourselves anyway. yes. but monumental but there is a monumental industry has up industry that has grown up through lawyers through the echr with lawyers straight away. they go to the court. i mean, one person was saved from deportation because of his cat that was his human right in this country because he had a cat. now excuse me, that is nonsense. but other countries who are within it are. that would never have happened. feels british. it feels like other countries who are within it still manage to deport people better than do. so i think we better than we do. so i think we have issue. nation have an issue. but that nation of animal would have of animal lovers, it would have done british that well. done if the british that well. the other thing that's another issue that's what issue whether we. that's what i mean we leave it, mean though if we leave it, we've got ourselves we've still got ourselves to blame. we've letting blame. and we've been letting people though people stay anyway, even though other that's people stay anyway, even though oth

have. yoyou'll then bee yourself because you'll then be responsible. - because you'll then be responsible. because you'll then be- responsible. .we change it? because you'll then be- resjwon't.e. .we change it? because you'll then be- resjwon't. we'll-we change it? because you'll then be resjwon't. we'll juste change it? because you'll then be resjwon't. we'll just get ange it? because you'll then be resjwon't. we'll just get rid|e it? because you'll then be resjwon't. we'll just get rid of t? we won't. we'll just get rid of them, right? this show is nothing without you and your views. welcome some of our views. let's welcome some of our great british voices. their opportunity the show. opportunity to be on the show. tell they think about tell us what they think about the we're discussing. the topics we're discussing. i've got two today. i've got two of you today. i'm going miranda going to start with miranda richardson not the northamptonshire, not the miranda miranda miranda richardson, but miranda richardson. miranda to what do you know you think? hiya. do you know what?— you think? hiya. do you know when .-m_ you think? hiya. do you know what? i'm kind— you think? hiya. do you know what? i'm kind .with- “

places. red tape, a lot of the processes down. _ places. red tape, a lot of the processes down. so i think in outer— processes down. so i think in outer tar— processes down. so i think in outer tar ue— processes down. so i think in order for us to— processes down. so i think in order for us to be— processes down. so i think in order for us to be able to run aha— order for us to be able to run and ac— order for us to be able to run and to what— order for us to be able to run and do what we— order for us to be able to run and do what we do well, we chcuta— and do what we do well, we chcuta he— and do what we do well, we should be able— and do what we do well, we should be able to come out of it wett— should be able to come out of it wet, we— should be able to come out of it well, we should— should be able to come out of it well, we should be— should be able to come out of it well, we should be able to, but well, we should be able to, but we seem to tie— well, we should be able to, but we seem to tie ourselves up in thatc. — we seem to tie ourselves up in thatc. jaha— we seem to tie ourselves up in knots. john reid— we seem to tie ourselves up in knots. john reid from - knots. john reid from kidderminster. john, what you kidderminster. john, what do you think? yeah, afternoon , think? yeah, good afternoon, waha. — think? yeah, good afternoon, waha. watt.— think? yeah, good afternoon, nana. well,.once,- think? yeah, good afternoon, nana. well,.once, for.

me so as soon as me a cup of tea. so as soon as she goes, the better. as far as i'm concerned. well, listen, thaht— i'm concerned. well, listen, thank-much.- i'm concerned. well, listen, thank-much. you. thank you very much. thank you. wha— thank you very much. thank you. gchh—ucwetw- thank you very much. thank you. john—ucwetw tc| john in kidderminster. lovely to tatt— john in kidderminster. lovely to tatt ta— john in kidderminster. lovely to tatt ta wou— john in kidderminster. lovely to talk to you. miranda in northamptonshire, so northamptonshire, thank you so much. — much. lovely to talk to you. these — much. lovely to talk to you. those-great— much. lovely to talk to you.- those-great-voices. those are great british voices. now:— now, today i've been asking, chcuta— now, today i've been asking, should braverman should sevilla braverman ignore the should sevilla braverman ignore| the—you the european courts? lots of you have—h— the european courts? lots of you have—h touch- the european courts? lots of you have—in touch with| have been getting in touch with wew— have been getting in touch with your thoughts— have been getting in touch with your thoughts and she says us suetta— your thoughts and she says us suella—should- suella braverman should ignore the european courts. she should just the european courts. she should gust—ch- just start putting them on atahec— just start putting them on planes rwanda . cathy says planes for rwanda. cathy says suetta— planes for rwanda. cathy says suetta te— planes for rwanda. cathy says suella is spot— planes for rwanda. cathy says suella is spot on.— planes for rwanda. cathy says suella is spot on. i just hope that— suella is spot on. i just hope that che— suella is spot on. i just hope that she succeeds— suella is spot on. i just hope that she succeeds this time huh-a — that she succeeds this time huh-a aha— that she succeeds this time round. and jason says yes. ethetwtce— round. and jason says yes. otherwise what— round. and jason says yes. otherwise what was the point of heate— otherwise what was the point of heat? that — otherwise what was the point of brexit? and chris— otherwise what was the point of brexit? and chris says yes, she chcuta— brexit? and chris says yes, she chcuta tate— brexit? and chris says yes, she should take back— brexit? and chris says yes, she should take back control. suella yeah— should take back control. suella weah th— should take back control. suella weah th wtth— should take back control. suella yeah, i'm with you.— should take back control. suella yeah, i'm with you. i'm just should take back control. suella yeah, i'thatith you. i'm just should take back control. suella yeah, i'that we you. i'm just should take back control. suella yeah, i'that we don't m just should take back control. suella yeah, i'that we don't just st should take back control. suella yeah, i'that we don't just trip hoping that we don't just trip cucewect uh— hoping that we don't just trip ourselves up in— hoping that we don't just trip ourselves up in our own courts hecauce— ourselves up in our own courts hecauce that-c— ourselves up in our own courts because that's what worries me. hut— because that's what worries me. hut-course— because that's what worries me. hut-course ,- because that's what worries me. hut-course , tte- because that's what worries me. but-course , it's the. but today, of course, it's the zeta — but today, of course, it's the zeta lwhht— but today, of course, it's the 23rd .april and _ but today, of course, it's the 23rdlapril and it- but today, of course, it's the 23rd april and it marks saint 23rd of april and it marks saint cecage-c— 23rd of april and it marks saint cecage-c haw.— 23rd of april and it marks saint george's day. george's, george's day. saint george's, saht— george's day. saint george's, saint george's,— george's day. saint george's,- saint george's,-patron saint george's, england's patron catat— saint george's, england's patron saint,-namesake- saint george's, england's patron saint, namesake for saint, and the namesake for thgtaha-c— saint, and the namesake for thgtaha-cl— saint, and the namesake for england's , saint england's flag, the saint cecage-c— england's flag, the saint george's whilst ireland george's cross. whilst ireland cetetwatec— george's cross. whilst ireland celebrates patrick's day george's cross. whilst ireland celescotland patrick's day george's cross. whilst ireland cele scotland has’atrick's day george's cross. whilst ireland cele scotland has saint 's day george's cross. whilst ireland cele scotland has saint andrew's and scotland has saint andrew's day,— and scotland has saint andrew's haw—are- and scotland has saint andrew's haw—are tant- day, both of which are bank hattaawc— day, both of which are bank- holidays—nationalism day, both of which are bank- holictruly-nationalism day, both of which are bank holictruly celebrated nationalism day, both of which are bank holictruly celebrated ,ationalism day, both of which are bank holictruly celebrated , somalism isn't truly celebrated, so chcuta — isn't truly celebrated, so chcuta we — isn't truly celebrated, so should we be- isn't truly celebrated, so should we be proud to be thghche— should we be proud to be thghche sc— should we be proud to be english? so i'm going to ask you that.— english? so i'm going to ask you that. christine— english? so i'm going to ask you that. christine i'm— english? so i'm going to ask you that. christine i'm extremely

proud— that. christine i'm extremely grout ct— that. christine i'm extremely grout ot hw— that. christine i'm extremely proud of my three quarters thghch— proud of my three quarters thghch ttt,— proud of my three quarters english bit, and i'm very proud atco— english bit, and i'm very proud atco ot— english bit, and i'm very proud atco ot hw— english bit, and i'm very proud also of my quarter welsh bit. lowery.— also of my quarter welsh bit. towetw. so— also of my quarter welsh bit. towetw. so yest— also of my quarter welsh bit. lovely. so yes, i'm very, very grout. — lovely. so yes, i'm very, very grout. th— lovely. so yes, i'm very, very proud. i'm proud— lovely. so yes, i'm very, very proud. i'm proud being proud. i'm proud of being hutch.— proud. i'm proud of being british. extremely proud of hehg— british. extremely proud of being british.— british. extremely proud of being british.-i- british. extremely proud of being british. i think being british. and i think hattohat— being british. and i think national-is- being british. and i think national is very national pride is very trhportaht.— national pride is very important. danny, i'm a proud scou— important. danny, i'm a proud scou aha— important. danny, i'm a proud scouser and i'm— important. danny, i'm a proud scouser and i'm a— important. danny, i'm a proud scouser and i'm a proud brit, tut— scouser and i'm a proud brit, but-importantly,- scouser and i'm a proud brit, but importantly, i'm but most importantly, i'm a proud— but most importantly, i'm a proud englishman. i think thgtahu— proud englishman. i think trgtahula— proud englishman. i think england a great country. england is a great country. that's 50,000 people get on that's why 50,000 people get on dinghies every to say that dinghies every year to say that they do. right? well, now it's the— they do. right? well, now it's the tor— they do. right? well, now it's time for somebody— cs right? well, now it's time for somebody someday. and on_,_ time for somebody someday. and orr—r my- time for somebody someday. and oh— my hahetl time for somebody someday. andi oh— my panel and time for somebody someday. andi oare_, my panel and time for somebody someday. and oare discussing , my panel and time for somebody someday. and oare discussing someiy panel and time for somebody someday. and oare discussing some ofpanel and time for somebody someday. and oare discussing some of thezl and i are discussing some of the that— i are discussing some of the news that caught their eye. rohhg— news that caught their eye. rohhg rhe— news that caught their eye. joining me, you've just tuned joining me, if you've just tuned in joining me, if you've just tuned hlauthor— joining me, if you've just tuned in author broadcaster in to author and broadcaster chrtcthe— christine hamilton, also broadcaster— christine hamilton, also broadcaster danny christine hamilton, also broad

sense of humour to wear bird suits to around blackpool suits and to go around blackpool zoo flapping to scare off those pesky seagulls that when they dive bomb. i've been to st.ives and cornwall. you walk around with a bag of chips. i'm not kidding you. they will dive, bomb and take your bomb and swoop and take your chips and then you drop your chips and then you drop your chips like this chips and then it's like this massive, almost like ants massive, almost like an ants nest. seagulls fighting for nest. the seagulls fighting for your paid job or just your chips, a paid job or just for people who want a bit of fun. uh, why are you thinking of going— fun. uh, why are you thinking of going-it? — fun. uh, why are you thinking of going-it? .— fun. uh, why are you thinking of going-it? i don't— fun. uh, why are you thinking of going-it? i don't know.- " uh, why are you thinking of going it? cs." c going for it? i don't know. but funnily doesn't. it funnily enough, it doesn't. it didn't terms and didn't give the terms and conditions of this. but do you know i thought know what i thought this was? maybe legacy of an maybe even an the legacy of an april fool gag. but what great publicity. a pr publicity. this could be a pr stunt. . i would stunt. well, you. i would make a great seagull. scarer you would? yeah. ten foot tall. well, no, i think yeah. ten foot tall. well, no, i that thew-a— yeah. ten foot tall. well, no, i think they'd all— yeah. ten foot tall. well, no, i think they'd all come- t/sst" s " well, no, i think they'd all come for you. thew-re— think they'd all come for you. they're—dream. they're very hungry. dream rtght— they're very hungry. dream right, christine— they're very hungry. dream right, christine ? well, you've right, christine? well, you've got— right, christine? well, you've got a— right, christine? well, you've got a supplement. what's yours? what— got a supplement. what's yours? what .— got a supplement. what's yours? what . wahtea— got a supplement. what's yours? what i wanted everybody see what i wanted everybody to see the— what i wanted everybody to see was the unbelievable youtube waeo — was the unbelievable youtube waeo .— was the unbelievable youtube waeo . hut— was the unbelievable youtube video . but apparently, for video. but apparently, for techhtcat— video. but apparently, for technical reasons, we can't do it. technical reasons, we can't do tt. there-c— technical reasons, we can't do tt. there-c a— technical reasons, we can't do it. there's a youtube video of the— it. there's a youtube video of the tate— it. there's a youtube video of the hate harry— it. there's a youtube video of the late barry humphries arrwhg— the late barry humphries arrwhg h— the late barry humphries arriving in the— the late barry humphries arriving in the royal box at a

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years hearts, isn't he? in a few years the.— hearts, isn't he? in a few years the. he— hearts, isn't he? in a few years the. he to,— hearts, isn't he? in a few years time. he is, isn't— hearts, isn't he? in a few years time. he is, isn't he? i bagged a ounce.— time. he is, isn't he? i bagged a prince-didn't.- time. he is, isn't he? i bagged a prince. didn't. he's a prince. no, you didn't. he's got—etce- a prince. no, you didn't. he's got—etee . - a prince. no, you didn't. he's got—etee . verwl a prince. no, you didn't. he's. got-else . very good got somebody else. very good toothg— got somebody else. very good looking lad, isn't he? well, he's got looking parents. he's got good looking parents. his beautiful. his mother is very beautiful. yeah. williams parents. yeah. williams grand parents. catherine's parents are both wew— catherine's parents are both wew-tootthg - catherine's parents are both. very-looking. _well, very good looking. yeah, well, happy— very good looking. yeah, well,| happy—birthday very good looking. yeah, well,. happy—bifihdavr happy birthday. happy birthday, hrhce— happy birthday. happy birthday, prince-right?— happy birthday. happy birthday, prince right? well look prince louis, right? well look what— prince louis, right? well look what-oh— prince louis, right? well look what-on today's- prince louis, right? well look what on today's show . what i say on today's show. wewe— what i say on today's show. we teen— what i say on today's show. we've been asking, should rhhtcterc— we've been asking, should ministers-own. we've been asking, should. ministers-own civil ministers pick their own civil servants?— ministers pick their own civil cewahtce—ourl servants? according to our twttter— servants? according to our twitter poll,— servants? according to our twitter poll, 73% of you say wee. — twitter poll, 73% of you say yes. aha — twitter poll, 73% of you say wee. aha-wou- twitter poll, 73% of you say yes. and _you say. twitter poll, 73% of you say yes. and you say no . yes. and 27% of you say no. ttght. — yes. and 27% of you say no. ttght. twe— yes. and 27% of you say no. ttght. twe got— yes. and 27% of you say no. right. i've got to- yes. and 27% of you say no. right. i've got to say a few thaht— right. i've got to say a few that wou— right. i've got to say a few thank you to— right. i've got to say a few thank you to my panel. but that,— thank you to my panel. but first, christine,— thank you to my panel. but first, christine, i— thank you to my panel. but first, christine, i know that corhethhg— first, christine, i know that something very— first, christine, i know that something very interesting has happened—aral happened to you today. and what-c— happened to you today. and what's outcome? happened to you today. and- what's-outcome? well, what's been the outcome? well, i hope— what's been the outcome? well, i hope tt— what's been the outcome? well, i hope tt hash-t— what's been the outcome? well, i hope it hasn't showed to the hut— hope it hasn't showed to the viewers, but i— hope it hasn't showed to the viewers, but i came i arrived at the— viewers, but i came i arrived at the-aha— viewers, but i came i arrived at the-and realised- viewers, but i came i arrived at the and realised that the studio and realised that i hath-t— the studio and realised that i hath-t-rhw— the studio and realised that i hadn't my handbag me. hadn't got my handbag with me. so hadn't got my handbag with me. so-heeh— hadn't got my handbag with me. so-teeh h— hadn't got my handbag with me. so-teeh h a— hadn't got my handbag with me. so been in a complete so i have been in a complete that— so i have been in a complete that hahtc— so i have been in a complete blind panic for— so i have been in a complete blind panic for the last two hour— blind panic for the last two hours, wondering what on earth i'd hours, wondering what on earth tt-tt.— hours, wondering what on earth tt-tt. tat— i'd done with it. and fortunately, - i'd done with it. and fortunately, only about a quarter— fortunately, only about a guaher—agol fortunately, only about a quarter—ago found quarter of an hour ago we found

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talking about, you know, it sounds a bit grim, actually, chrtcthe.— sounds a bit grim, actually, christine-i'll- sounds a bit grim, actually, christine. i'll show you. christine. well, i'll show you. i'll christine. well, i'll show you. ttt chow— christine. well, i'll show you. ttt chow wou— christine. well, i'll show you. i'll show you them next brazier. hut— i'll show you them next brazier. hut ahwwaw— i'll show you them next brazier. but anyway, thank— i'll show you them next brazier. but anyway, thank you. thank goot— but anyway, thank you. thank good samaritan— but anyway, thank you. thank good samaritan good good samaritan to the good sarharttah— good samaritan to the good samaritan who's— good samaritan to the good samaritan who's found it. oh, thatc— samaritan who's found it. oh, that towetw— samaritan who's found it. oh, that's lovely. there is lot that's lovely. so there is a lot of that's lovely. so there is a lot ot great— that's lovely. so there is a lot ot great-h— that's lovely. so there is a lot of great in country. of great spirit in this country. so of great spirit in this country. so thank— of great spirit in this country. so thank wou— of great spirit in this country. so thank you so— of great spirit in this country. so thank you so much to my wohtertut— so thank you so much to my wonderful panel,— so thank you so much to my wonderful panel, author and broadcaster— wonderful panel, author and broadcaster hamilton. broadcaster christine hamilton. gaging,— broadcaster christine hamilton. christine,_much.l christine, thank you so much. tte—a— christine, thank you so much. it's-a pleasure- christine, thank you so much. i it's-a pleasure having it's been such a pleasure having you— it's been such a pleasure having you oh— it's been such a pleasure having you on boat.— it's been such a pleasure having you on board. and— it's been such a pleasure having you on board. and couldn't you on board. and we couldn't tett— you on board. and we couldn't ten—ttt— 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tv presenter- red. he always says that. i love it. -at tv presenter on- ”rsr: he always says that. i love it. at tv presenter on gb it. look at tv presenter on gb wewe. — it. look at tv presenter on gb wewe. _thaht- it. look at tv presenter on gb news. _thank you - it. look at tv presenter on gb news. _thank you so. it. look at tv presenter on gb- news. _thank you so much. news. well, thank you so much. absolutely. well, let's— news. well, thank you so much. absolutely. well, let's not- news. from absolutely. well, let's not go to ch— absolutely. well, let's not go to co wewe.— absolutely. well, let's not go to gb news. well, listen, i've got— to gb news. well, listen, i've gotlsay_ to gb news. well, listen, i've gotlcawlhuge— to gb news. well, listen, i've gotlcawlhuge-woui to gb news. well, listen, i've. got-saylhuge-you to got to say a huge thank you to you— got to say a huge thank you to woulwett— got to say a huge thank you to woulwett tor— got to say a huge thank you to you .well 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got to say a huge thank you to you well for your company you as well for your company as wate— you as well for your company as hate-wou— you as well for your company as ever. make .you join- you as well for your company as ever. make you join me next ever. make sure you join me next weet— ever. make sure you join me next weeot-h— ever. make sure you join me next week-on saturday.- week at 3:00 on saturday. it's teen— week at 3:00 on saturday. it's been—havel been such a pleasure. have a tatutouc— been such a pleasure. have a fabulous, fabulous i look fabulous, fabulous week. i look torwart— fabulous, fabulous week. i look torwart-wou— fabulous, fabulous week. i look. forward _you .we've fabulous, fabulous week. i look. forv free _you .we've fabulous, fabulous week. i look forv free speech you we've fabulous, fabulous week. i look forv free speech nation we've fabulous, fabulous week. i look forv free speech nation on we've fabulous, fabulous week. i look forv free speech nation on the ve got free speech nation on the way.— got free speech nation on the way. tate— got free speech nation on the way. take care. _ got free speech nation on the way. take care. gs”rs way. take care. hello there. welcome to your latest weather update office. update from the met office. i'm jonathan mixed jonathan vautrey. after a mixed setup throughout the weekend, we are going to retain that theme at into the of the at least into the start of the new working week as well. low pressure still going be pressure is still going to be with even though with us into monday, even though it's its way off it's slowly drifting its way off to the it allowing , to the east. it is allowing, though, northerly air though, a feed of northerly air to its in. to push its way in. so temperatures going to be temperatures are going to be falling for pretty much all falling down for pretty much all of us. that will allow snow to fall over grampians and fall over the grampians and higher of scotland higher ground of scotland throughout night's throughout saturday night's sleep to lower levels as well. further rain for northern ireland, generally across ireland, but generally across england showers england and wales the showers will off a bit more, will fade off a bit more, allowing some clearer intervals will fade off a bit more, al|develop)me clearer intervals will fade off a bit more, al|develop and clearer intervals will fade off a bit more, al|develop and aaarer intervals will fade off a bit more, al|develop and a patchytervals will fade off a bit more, al|develop and a patchy frostls will fade off a bit more, al|develop and a patchy frost is to develop and a patchy frost is possible, particularly across some areas of scotland. some central areas of scotland. the rain from northern ireland will shift its way into wales and southwest as we head and southwest england as we head throughout monday morning and then the cloud will build into central and southern areas of

england into the england later on into the afternoon. some clearer, sunnier intervals northern half intervals for the northern half of the uk, but still a of the uk, but still with a scattering of showers, particularly north particularly in the north and the east, where could still the east, where they could still be it is going to be wintry, it is going to be quite blustery across northern and throughout and eastern coasts throughout monday and feeling really quite chilly are exposed to chilly if you are exposed to that underneath the that cold, even underneath the persistent cloud further south as well. this rain then pushing its way through for monday evening . so a end to the evening. so a damp end to the day, particularly across parts of and kent, but of sussex and kent, but eventually clearing way eventually clearing its way off. and a number of clear intervals will develop into monday night. that, is going to allow that, though, is going to allow temperatures to really plummet . temperatures to really plummet. and expecting a much more and we are expecting a much more widespread develop and widespread frost to develop and really quite a cold start to tuesday morning. it does, though, mean that there'll be a good amount of sunshine to start off day and once helps off the day and once that helps heat things a bit more, it heat things up a bit more, it will a relatively will be a relatively more pleasant particularly pleasant day, particularly compared a good compared to monday with a good amount of sunny intervals for many . the winds down in many. the winds easing down in the well , but still a the east as well, but still a scattering of showers to contend with. outbreaks of rain look

with. the outbreaks of rain look to we move towards the to return as we move towards the middle the week , but middle part of the week, but temperatures will be on the temperatures will also be on the rise by .

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