channel i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom. our tonight, newsroom. our top story tonight, the is launching the government is launching a review to find why some review to find out why some mobile phone users did not receive today's emergency test alert . about 3 pm, most people alert. about 3 pm, most people received a message on their home screen along with a sound and vibration for up to ten seconds. however users on some networks, including three, did not. there's also been reports that some have not been able to make or receive calls since that test. deputy prime minister

oliver dowden says the alert could save people's lives in the future. it's the case that this has— future. it's the case that this has been— future. it's the case that this has been developed- ”c; it's the case that this has been developed with the national— has been developed with the national cyber— has been developed with the national cyber security centre , national cyber security centre, which— national cyber security centre, which forms— national cyber security centre, which forms part— national cyber security centre, which forms part of gchq . there which forms part of gchq. there wm— which forms part of gchq. there will be— which forms part of gchq. there will be a— which forms part of gchq. there will be a very— which forms part of gchq. there will be a very strict— which forms part of gchq. there will be a very strict procedures in place— will be a very strict procedures in place fer— will be a very strict procedures in place for its— will be a very strict procedures in place for its authorisation ene— in place for its authorisation and n— in place for its authorisation and it wm— in place for its authorisation and it will only— in place for its authorisation and it will only be used in a situation— and it will only be used in a situation where— and it will only be used in a situation where your viewers uve— situation where your viewers uve — situation where your viewers uve in— situation where your viewers live are in danger. i'm determined- live are in danger. i'm determined that there is a very high— determined that there is a very high her— determined that there is a very hhgh her her— determined that there is a very high bar for the— determined that there is a very high bar for the usage of this. the— high bar for the usage of this. the prime— high bar for the usage of this. the prime minister has hailed the have— the prime minister has hailed the brave efforts— the prime minister has hailed the brave efforts of the uk's armed— the brave efforts of the uk's armed forces— the brave efforts of the uk's armed forces after they helped hhheh— armed forces after they helped british diplomats— armed forces after they helped british diplomats and their fehhhee— british diplomats and their families to— british diplomats and their families to escape fighting in sheen. — families to escape fighting in sheen. they— families to escape fighting in sudan. "car f: families to escape fighting in sudan. f: f sudan. they carried out complex missions in the capital khartoum, alongside other allies . hundreds of civilians have died in the violent conflict between the sudanese army and a rival paramilitary group. foreign secretary james cleverly says the government is continuing to ensure the safety of british nationals who remain in the country. we have taken the decision— in the country. we have taken the decision to— " col. we have taken the decision to temporarily eheee — the decision to temporarily chose the — the decision to temporarily close the embassy and to reheate— close the embassy and to relocate our— close the embassy and to

relocate our embassy staff if that— relocate our embassy staff if that ghee— relocate our embassy staff if that ghee ee— relocate our embassy staff if that gives us a— relocate our embassy staff if that gives us a the best ephehuhhy— that gives us a the best opportunity to protect our ehhehehe— opportunity to protect our diplomatic support back into sheen— diplomatic support back into sheen .— diplomatic support back into sheen . huh— diplomatic support back into sudan . but we— diplomatic support back into sudan. but we remain diplomatic support back into sudan . but we remain absolutely sudan. but we remain absolutely eemmhhee— sudan. but we remain absolutely eemmhhee he— sudan. but we remain absolutely committed to support british hehehehe— committed to support british nationals in— committed to support british nationals in sudan . we will do nationals in sudan. we will do so h— nationals in sudan. we will do so he chee— nationals in sudan. we will do so in close coordination action with— so in close coordination action whh eu— so in close coordination action with our international partners . huh— with our international partners . huh the— with our international partners . but the best— with our international partners . but the best thing that we can do . but the best thing that we can he he— . but the best thing that we can he he eueeeh— . but the best thing that we can do to support british nationals ahe— do to support british nationals and indeed— do to support british nationals and indeed everyone in sudan is pushed.— and indeed everyone in sudan is euehee. the— and indeed everyone in sudan is pushed. the generals involved in this pushed. the generals involved in the eehfheh— pushed. the generals involved in this conflict ,_ pushed. the generals involved in this conflict , to— pushed. the generals involved in this conflict , to bring it to an this conflict, to bring it to an end.— this conflict, to bring it to an end. ahe— this conflict, to bring it to an end. and that— this conflict, to bring it to an end. and that will remain the heme— end. and that will remain the ehehey eh— end. and that will remain the ehehey eh eu— end. and that will remain the priority of our diplomatic focus in priority of our diplomatic focus h the— priority of our diplomatic focus h the region— priority of our diplomatic focus he he regheh .— priority of our diplomatic focus in the region . diane abbott has in the region. diane abbott has been— in the region. diane abbott has been suspended— in the region. diane abbott has been suspended as a labour mp pending— been suspended as a labour mp pending eh— been suspended as a labour mp pending an investigation action ahe— pending an investigation action he she— pending an investigation action after she claimed— pending an investigation action after she claimed that jewish heehhe— after she claimed that jewish heeehe — after she claimed that jewish heeehe hee— after she claimed that jewish people are not subject to h— people are not subject to racism. in an- people are not subject to racism. " e�*" 32m; people are not subject to racism. “ 3“ £311 racism. in an article for the observer newspaper, the former shadow health secretary said jewish people experience prejudice like irish or red—headed people. but not racism. she has since withdrawn the remarks and apologised for any offence caused, however , the any offence caused, however, the labour party has called the comments deeply offensive and wrong . the home secretary says

wrong. the home secretary says it's crucial that the government has the power to deport migrants without being blocked by the european court of human rights . european court of human rights. in the sunday telegraph, suella braverman said for britain to be quote, truly sovereign, it needs to be able to decide who enters our territory . this comes after our territory. this comes after 11 small boats carrying nearly 500 people crossed the english channel yesterday . and two new channel yesterday. and two new pictures of prince louis have been published as he celebrates his fifth birthday today. he's been photographed being pushed in a wheelbarrow by his mother . in a wheelbarrow by his mother. louis is expected to accompany his siblings in the procession from westminster abbey during the king's coronation next month . we're on tv online the king's coronation next month .we're on tv online on dab+ radio and on tune in to this is gb news. time now for free speech nation . well

speech nation. well. a uk rapper and comedian has his tour cancelled for saying that men can't get pregnant . diane abbott can't get pregnant. diane abbott ehehhe— can't get pregnant. diane abbott ehehhe thee— can't get pregnant. diane abbott claims that jewish— {.3“ . 9:32 3 diane abbott claims that jewish people don't hee— claims that jewish people don't heee — claims that jewish people don't face racism and— claims that jewish people don't face racism and celebrities on twitter— face racism and celebrities on hhher have— face racism and celebrities on twitter have a— face racism and celebrities on twitter have a meltdown because hen— twitter have a meltdown because eheh hush— twitter have a meltdown because elon musk took— twitter have a meltdown because elon musk took their precious hhue— elon musk took their precious hhue hehe— elon musk took their precious blue ticks away— elon musk took their precious blue ticks away .— elon musk took their precious blue ticks away . this is free blue ticks away. this is free speech— blue ticks away. this is free speech nation— blue ticks away. this is free speech nation who who .7 welcome speech nation who who.7 welcome to speech nation who who.7 welcome he hee— speech nation who who.7 welcome he hee speech— speech nation who who.7 welcome to free speech nation with me andrew— to free speech nation with me hhhrew heyhe— to free speech nation with me hhhrew heyhe .— to free speech nation with me andrew doyle . well, this is the andrew doyle. well, this is the shew— andrew doyle. well, this is the ehew where— andrew doyle. well, this is the show where we— andrew doyle. well, this is the show where we take a look at where.— show where we take a look at culture, current— show where we take a look at culture, current affairs and hehhee.— culture, current affairs and politics. and _ culture, current affairs and politics. and of— culture, current affairs and politics. and of course, we'll have— politics. and of course, we'll have hhe— politics. and of course, we'll have the latest— politics. and of course, we'll have the latest from our hhehhhy— have the latest from our friendly neighbourhood culture warriors and their valiant ehehe— warriors and their valiant efforts-every. warriors and their valiant- efforts-every sentient efforts to cancel every sentient human— efforts to cancel every sentient huheh—hhehehl human being on the planet. cehhe— human being on the planet. cehhe-ehew- human being on the planet.- coming-show tonight, coming up on the show tonight, we-hh— coming up on the show tonight, we-hhleeeehhe— coming up on the show tonight, we'll-speaking to— coming up on the show tonight, we'll speaking to the we'll be speaking to the successful— we'll be speaking to thei successful-and we'll be speaking to the- successful-and rapper successful comedian and rapper hhewh— successful comedian and rapper hhewh whe— successful comedian and rapper known who-had— successful comedian and rapper known who had tour dates, known who has had tour dates, eeheehheh— known who has had tour dates, eeheehheh hy— known who has had tour dates, cancelled by venues because cancelled by some venues because he-heh— cancelled by some venues because he-heh eehheh— cancelled by some venues because he-heh eehheh eeh— cancelled by some venues because he men cannot get pregnant. he said men cannot get pregnant. an he said men cannot get pregnant. ah alarming— he said men cannot get pregnant. an alarming report— he said men cannot get pregnant. an alarming report for the women's rights network has reveeheh— women's rights network has revealed the— women's rights network has revealed the shocking extent of eeueh— revealed the shocking extent of sexual violence— revealed the shocking extent of sexual violence suffered by women in uk— sexual violence suffered by women in uk hospitals where you hhhh— women in uk hospitals where you hhhh hhey— women in uk hospitals where you hhhh hhey hhghh— women in uk hospitals where you think they might be safe. we're

going— think they might be safe. we're going he— think they might be safe. we're gehg he he— think they might be safe. we're going to be talking to the eeeh-e— going to be talking to the. reeeh-e—hee report's author, professor joe hheenhe— report's author, professor joe hheehhx. ahe— report's author, professor joe phoenix, and we'll be hearing hem— phoenix, and we'll be hearing hem-shah— phoenix, and we'll be hearing from sarah phillimore from lawyer sarah phillimore eheuh— about the non—crime hate hehhehhe— about the non—crime hate hehhehhe .— about the non—crime hate incidents . day— about the non—crime hate incidents . day of action set to incidents. day of action set to he— incidents. day of action set to hehe hheee— incidents. day of action set to hehe eheee eh— incidents. day of action set to take place on may the 20th as eehvhehe— take place on may the 20th as activists fight— take place on may the 20th as activists fight back against heres— activists fight back against herhe eh— activists fight back against kerbs on free— activists fight back against kerbs on free speech. also, eeher— kerbs on free speech. also, eeher james— kerbs on free speech. also, actorjames dreyfus kerbs on free speech. also, actor james dreyfus will be kerbs on free speech. also, actorjames dreyfus will be here actor james dreyfus will be here to pay— actor james dreyfus will be here he hey hhhuhe— actor james dreyfus will be here to pay tribute to— actor james dreyfus will be here to pay tribute to the great eehehheh— to pay tribute to the great comedian and— to pay tribute to the great comedian and entertainer barry huhhhhee— comedian and entertainer barry humphries, who— comedian and entertainer barry humphries, who very sadly passed away— humphries, who very sadly passed away yeehereey. — humphries, who very sadly passed away yesterday. and of course , away yesterday. and of course, hyeeh— away yesterday. and of course, hyeeh ahe— away yesterday. and of course, hyeeh and my— away yesterday. and of course, myself and my wonderful panel whhh— myself and my wonderful panel whhh he— myself and my wonderful panel will be answering— myself and my wonderful panel will be answering questions from our will be answering questions from eur-ehuhhe— will be answering questions from our studio audience. our beautiful studio audience. all our beautiful studio audience. hhh—hueh- our beautiful studio audience.| all—much more all that and much, much more hehhehh— all that and much, much more hehhehh eh— all that and much, much more tonight on free— all that and much, much more tonight on free speech nation. let-introduce— tonight on free speech nation. let-introduce my- tonight on free speech nation. let introduce my studio guest let me introduce my studio guest this let me introduce my studio guest hhh evenhe— let me introduce my studio guest this evening, capurro and this evening, scott capurro and leo this evening, scott capurro and hee hee— this evening, scott capurro and hee hee .— this evening, scott capurro and leo kearse . how— this evening, scott capurro and leo kearse . how are you both leo kearse. how are you both heehhge — leo kearse. how are you both heehhge veh— leo kearse. how are you both looking? «c13 : well,i looking? very dapper. well, i hush— looking? very dapper. well, i huehwehheh— looking? very dapper. well, i just wanted to— looking? very dapper. well, i just wanted to dress- looking? «hip : well,i just wanted to dress nicely for yeu. — just wanted to dress nicely for yeu. her— just wanted to dress nicely for you. for me? yeah- just wanted to dress nicely for you. 7 yeah. just wanted to dress nicely for you. 7 yeah . to compensate you. for me? yeah. to compensate for you. for me? yeah. to compensate her he— you. for me? yeah. to compensate her heu— you. for me? yeah. to compensate her heu heeh— you. for me? yeah. to compensate for me. you look a— you. for me? yeah. to compensate for me. you look a bit— you. 7 yeah. to compensate for me. you look a bit tired, hheh-e— for me. you look a bit tired, hheh-e ehh. — for me. you look a bit tired, that's all. yeah,— for me. you look a bit tired, that's all. yeah, i- for me. you look a bit tired, that's all. yeah, i knew. i knew you— that's all. yeah, i knew. i knew yeu weuhh— that's all. yeah, i knew. i knew yeu weuhe eey. — that's all. yeah, i knew. i knew you would say. and it is true, hee— you would say. and it is true, hee. hhweye— you would say. and it is true, leo. always looking smart. thank veh— leo. always looking smart. thank yeu. .— leo. always looking smart. thank yeu. h eehuehhy— leo. always looking smart. thank you. i actually forgot my shirt. so you. i actually forgot my shirt. se hhhe— you. i actually forgot my shirt. se he he. — you. i actually forgot my shirt. se he he. hm— you. i actually forgot my shirt. so this is. i'm just— you. i actually forgot my shirt. i'm just glad myt so this is. i'm just glad myt ehhh— so this is. i'm just glad myt ehhh heeeh-h— so this is. i'm just glad myt shirt doesn't have— i'm just glad myt shirt doesn't have baby sick on h. — shirt doesn't have baby sick on h. yeah.— shirt doesn't have baby sick on h. veeh. h— shirt doesn't have baby sick on h. veeh. h he— shirt doesn't have baby sick on it. yeah, i do have- shirt doesn't have baby sick on it. yeah, i do have a- shirt doesn't have baby sick on it. “in?" ii “in?" it. yeah, i do have a baby. yeah that explains that one. let's get some questions- let's get some questions from the

euhhehee— get some questions from the whence he— get some questions from the audience to kick— get some questions from the audience to kick off. our first eueeheh— audience to kick off. our first eueeheh he— audience to kick off. our first question is from _ audience to kick off. our first question is from jonathan. john, where-e—hh l where'sjonathan? hi. hi. hi hhhh— where'sjonathan? hi. hi. hi hhhh heu— where'sjonathan? hi. hi. hi hhhh yeu he— where'sjonathan? hi. hi. hi will you be keeping will you be keeping your tick on keeping your blue tick on twitter? everyone's gone twitter? yes. so everyone's gone a twitter? yes. so everyone's gone e-heveh-h— twitter? yes. so everyone's gone e-heveh-h hheye- twitter? yes. so everyone's gone a - haven't they? at- twitter? yes. so everyone's gone a - haven't they? at the i a bit mad, haven't they? at the hehehhe— a bit mad, haven't they? at the hehehhe se— a bit mad, haven't they? at the moment? so elon— a bit mad, haven't they? at the moment? so elon musk said that he—hehe— moment? so elon musk said that he—hehe away- moment? so elon musk said that he _take away whati he was going to take away what he— he was going to take away what hey can— he was going to take away what he eehh hhe — he was going to take away what they call the verification tick, they call the verification tick, hhe-heh— they call the verification tick, the -tick.twitter- they call the verification tick, the tick twitter and the blue tick on twitter and hheee—ueehl the blue tick on twitter and. these—used to these were previously used to eeh— these were previously used to eeh eh— these were previously used to eeh eh shew— these were previously used to sort of show accounts that are eehehhhee— sort of show accounts that are celebrities-figures. celebrities or public figures ahe— and that would prevent impersonation that was the idea. ahe— impersonation that was the idea. aha-hush— impersonation that was the idea. hhh-hueh hee- impersonation that was the idea. and musk has introduced and now elon musk has introduced this and now elon musk has introduced hhhe—eehl this new idea where anyone can buy— this new idea where anyone can hey ee— this new idea where anyone can hey her— this new idea where anyone can hey her he— this new idea where anyone can hey her he e— this new idea where anyone can buy one for $8 a month. but you do buy one for $8 a month. but you he he— buy one for $8 a month. but you do get benefits— buy one for $8 a month. but you do get benefits with that, don't yeee— do get benefits with that, don't yeee-heh— do get benefits with that, don't yeee-heh-hehheel you? leo you get like longer hheee— you? leo you get like longer videos, longer— you? leo you get like longer videos, longer-it- you? leo you get like longer videos, longer it seems videos, longer tweets. it seems eeeeehehhe— videos, longer tweets. it seems eeeeeeehhelme— videos, longer tweets. it seems reasonable me, but the reasonable to me, but the celebrities— reasonable to me, but the celebrities upset. celebrities are a bit upset. yeah.— celebrities are a bit upset. yeah-cah- celebrities are a bit upset. yeah. -can edit. celebrities are a bit upset. yeah. can edit your yeah. and you can edit your heeehe— yeah. and you can edit your tweets-half— yeah. and you can edit your tweets-half an- yeah. and you can edit your tweets half an after tweets for half an hour after yee— tweets for half an hour after ye heeheh.— tweets for half an hour after ye eeeheh. — tweets for half an hour after you've posted. i- tweets for half an hour after you've posted. i know this. yeah, this because i've yeah, i know this because i've bought one. yeah. so it's bought one. yeah. so? so it's great. i think good great. and i think it's good value. what i is really value. what i think is really crazy. a lot of public crazy. there's a lot of public sector organisations are refusing to pay for the blue tick when should, tick when they should, particularly could particularly as they could probably it as some sort probably offset it as some sort of against climate change because elon musk developed it the most successful electric cars in history. that's true.

that's one way of looking at it. have— that's one way of looking at it. have yee— that's one way of looking at it. have yee hee— that's one way of looking at it. have you are you— that's one way of looking at it. have you are you going to get hhee— have you are you going to get hhee hehee— have you are you going to get blue ticks? no,— have you are you going to get blue ticks? no, i'm not hheehehh— blue ticks? no, i'm not important enough. i'm not as heu— important enough. i'm not as hehh enh— important enough. i'm not as tall and important as leo is. but also it's just hard that when been given to when something's been given to free people love free charge because people love free charge because people love free you know what free stuff. you know what i mean? when mean? like, remember when netflix charging and then netflix wasn't charging and then they started charging? i thought netflix wasn't charging and then thwould ted charging? i thought netflix wasn't charging and then thwould fallcharging? i thought netflix wasn't charging and then thwould fall apart.|g? i thought netflix wasn't charging and then thwould fall apart. it’ i thought netflix wasn't charging and then thwould fall apart. it wouldn't|t it would fall apart. it wouldn't go they've go anywhere. and then they've done quite people get used it done quite people get used to it after a bit weird, after a while. it's a bit weird, isn't you all isn't it, when you have all these millionaires sort of saying there's no way i'm paying for blue tick. you've got for a blue tick. you've got hhhhehe— for a blue tick. you've got millions that's why they're millions of. that's why they're millionaires, because they're cheap. because they're cheap. yeah. no, now, what yeah. no, exactly. now, what eheeh— yeah. no, exactly. now, what eheeh hhhe— yeah. no, exactly. now, what about this thing,— “in?" no, exactly. now, what about this thing, though, leo? i heehhe- h- about this thing, though, leo? i mean,-is, it was- mean, the thing is, it was hhhhhy— mean, the thing is, it was initially intended look, initially intended to say, look, hhhe— initially intended to say, look, hhhe-hehhe— initially intended to say, look, this-public-thatl this is a public figure so that when— this is a public figure so that eheh-ehee- this is a public figure so that eheh-eheeieel this is a public figure so thati when-else-up an when someone else set up an eeeeehh— when someone else set up an eeeeehh-hhe— when someone else set up an account-the same- when someone else set up an account the same name, account under the same name, ehheh— account under the same name, ehheh-heve- account under the same name, which-have done,- which they, they have done, that you which they, they have done, that yee—eeeeehhe- you get these fake accounts ehhhh— you get these fake accounts calling themselves obama calling themselves barack obama or calling themselves barack obama ee ehehevee— calling themselves barack obama or whatever-saying- calling themselves barack obama or whatever saying terrible or whatever and saying terrible hhhhe—heehl or whatever and saying terrible. things—look bad. things and making him look bad. yeah—hehh- things and making him look bad. yeah—hehh he- yeah so there is a point to hheh— yeah so there is a point to hheh. heh— yeah so there is a point to that. but for— yeah so there is a point to that. but for years now, twitter have— that. but for years now, twitter have-beeh— that. but for years now, twitter have-been-bluel have just been awarding blue hehe— ticks to people they agree with enh— ticks to people they agree with ehh—eeey- ticks to people they agree with and _ away from i ticks to people they agree with- and _ away from people and taking them away from people they and taking them away from people hhey—se- they don't agree with. so eehehhy— they don't agree with. so actually-bit- they don't agree with. so actually bit redundant actually it's a bit redundant ehyeey. — actually it's a bit redundant ehyeey. -h— actually it's a bit redundant anyway.-i mean,- actually it's a bit redundant anyway. i mean, that's anyway. yeah, i mean, that's the reh— anyway. yeah, i mean, that's the real—mean, twitter. real problem. i mean, twitter was captured was so ideologically captured

that were just rewarding that they were just rewarding leftist the leftist s with the with the blue tick really wanted to tick and they really wanted to push, anybody, anybody tick and they really wanted to push any anybody, anybody tick and they really wanted to push any sensible nybody, anybody tick and they really wanted to push any sensible ideas y, anybody tick and they really wanted to push any sensible ideas off nybody tick and they really wanted to push any sensible ideas off the ody with any sensible ideas off the platform. yeah. so what platform. yeah. so that's what they're that's why they're doing and that's why elon to come in and actually elon had to come in and actually actually because elon had to come in and actually actuelikes because elon had to come in and actually actuelikes memes because elon had to come in and actually actuelikes memes and because elon had to come in and actually actuelikes memes and theste elon had to come in and actually actuelikes memes and they banned elon likes memes and they banned the babylon bee and he likes elon likes memes and they banned the ispeech, bee and he likes elon likes memes and they banned the ispeech, bee anlikeslikes elon likes memes and they banned the ispeech, bee anlikes free free speech, but he likes free speech. be honest, speech. you know, to be honest, it's speech. you know, to be honest, hh-e-heeeh— speech. you know, to be honest, hh-e-heeeh hee— speech. you know, to be honest, it's-great for free _ f you know, to be honest, it's great for free speech, it's not great for free speech, is it's not great for free speech, he he— it's not great for free speech, he he whee— it's not great for free speech, is it? when . have - it's not great for free speech, is it? when have to depend is it? when we have to depend on multi—billionaire_ is it? when we have to depend on multi—billionaire us— is it? when we have to depend on multi—billionaire us to sort of buy— multi—billionaire us to sort of hey-eehh— multi—billionaire us to sort of buy-social media- buy up the social media ehehhehhe— buy up the social media platforms we just platforms to enforce it? we just have— platforms to enforce it? we just have-make— platforms to enforce it? we just have make sure that elon musk have to make sure that elon musk continues successful. continues being successful. so he buy things. he can continue to buy things. i want him to buy the bbc and the nhs i think that people nhs next. i think that people are nhs next. i think that people. ere—hhey are angry, though, because they hhhh— are angry, though, because they hhhh-heh. — are angry, though, because they think-rich. why-ij think he's so rich. why should i ghe— think he's so rich. why should i ghee—ee— think he's so rich. why should i ghee—he e— think he's so rich. why should i give-$8 a month?- think he's so rich. why should i give $8 a month? why give him £8 or $8 a month? why when— give him £8 or $8 a month? why ehehlhee— give him £8 or $8 a month? why ehehlhee ee— give him £8 or $8 a month? why when-has so much— give him £8 or $8 a month? why when has so much money? when he has so much money? whe— when he has so much money? hem-h— when he has so much money? hem-h mean.- when he has so much money? hem-h h- when he has so much money? well,-i mean, i i've- well, i guess i mean, i i've done because good done it because it's a good service. i love edit button. service. i love the edit button. the edit is great because i had to the edit is great because i had he eeeh— the edit is great because i had he eeeh h.— the edit is great because i had he eeeh h. he— the edit is great because i had to read it. me too. _ the edit is great because i had to read it. me too. /ix. to read it. me too. you know, he— to read it. me too. you know, the idea of putting out a spelling it me spelling error, it keeps me up at night the apostrophe. at night without the apostrophe. oh, i know, i know. me too. oh, god. i know, i know. me too. heh— oh, god. i know, i know. me too. heh h— oh, god. i know, i know. me too. heh h hee— oh, god. i know, i know. me too. but i also think— oh, god. i know, i know. me too. but i also think that he gets a lot but i also think that he gets a heh-heeee.— but i also think that he gets a lot-press.-weird- lot of bad press. it's weird heeeeee— lot of bad press. it's weird because people- lot of bad press. it's weird because people saying that because people keep saying that he-e—hhheehl he's only representing himself in he's only representing himself h—heh- in conservative press, but he heh— in conservative press, but he had-interview— in conservative press, but he had interview the in conservative press, but he had.interview.the the had an interview on the bbc the ehhee—hel

other night. yeah, exactly. he eeye— other night. yeah, exactly. he eeye-hehhe— other night. yeah, exactly. he says-quite thin,- says himself quite thin, eehehhy— says himself quite thin, eehehhy. — says himself quite thin, actually. “in?" \ei says himself quite thin, actually. / \i x actually. yeah. no, he. i'll talk to anyone. we're talk to anyone. okay. we're going to get another question now. nicholas. now. this is from nicholas. hi, nicholas. there. has nicholas. hi there. what has snooker do with climate snooker got to do with climate change? good change? it's a very good question. must have seen question. we must have all seen this. climate this. there were these climate protesters. got arrested protesters. they got arrested because they went to the crucible sheffield. this is crucible in sheffield. this is the championships. crucible in sheffield. this is the see championships. crucible in sheffield. this is the see the championships. crucible in sheffield. this is the see the videonmpionships. crucible in sheffield. this is the see the video goinghships. crucible in sheffield. this is the see the video going on ps. you can see the video going on there the screen and there on the screen now. and someone jumped the table, an someone jumped on the table, an activist spilled of someone jumped on the table, an activi looks spilled of someone jumped on the table, an activi looks like .led of someone jumped on the table, an activi looks like .led powder, what looks like orange powder, this rust coloured this sort of rust coloured powder started screaming, really messed you messed up the balls. and you know, players must know, i think the players must have been a bit upset about that later. but suppose, later. you know. but i suppose, you thinks he's you know, this guy thinks he's saving world from armageddon saving the world from armageddon through the medium of snooker. well, sullivan well, ronnie o'sullivan sullivan was well, ronnie o'sullivan sullivan -ehe— well, ronnie o'sullivan sullivan -ehe he— well, ronnie o'sullivan sullivan was when he heard there was happy when he heard there ehe-eeehee— was happy when he heard there was-powder-table.| was happy when he heard there was yeah, powder table. was happy when he heard there was yeah, this der table. was happy when he heard there was yeah, this isr table. was happy when he heard there was yeah, this is ridiculous. )le. was happy when he heard there was yeah, this is ridiculous. ie. but yeah, this is ridiculous. i eeh eh— but yeah, this is ridiculous. i mean, out of all— but yeah, this is ridiculous. i mean, out of all the sports , i mean, out of all the sports, i heeh-heh— mean, out of all the sports, i mean,-not exactly- mean, out of all the sports, i mean, not exactly drag mean, it's not exactly drag eehhh— mean, it's not exactly drag hhhg. yee— mean, it's not exactly drag racing, you know mean? mean, it's not exactly drag- racing, you know-mean? by racing, you know what i mean? by ehheh— racing, you know what i mean? by ehheh-yee— racing, you know what i mean? by ehheh-yee heee.- racing, you know what i mean? by which-you know, the- which i mean, you know, the hhhh— which i mean, you know, the hhhg hehe— which i mean, you know, the thing done with— which i mean, you know, the thing done with cars, not actual gehhhh—heeehe- thing done with cars, not actual getting queens and getting actual drag queens and racing— getting actual drag queens and eehhh—ehhehl getting actual drag queens and racing—which is| getting actual drag queens and revehy—ehheh he| getting actual drag queens and ravery carbon which is getting actual drag queens and ravery carbon neutral which is getting actual drag queens and ravery carbon neutral sport. is getting actual drag queens and ravery carbon neutral sport. but a very carbon neutral sport. but eheeeh— a very carbon neutral sport. but snooker completely human snooker is completely human heeeeeh. — powered. the balls are just eeeheh— powered. the balls are just pushed—little. powered. the balls are just. pushed _little stick. pushed along by a little stick. hee— pushed along by a little stick. h-ve eeheheh— pushed along by a little stick. i've watched it.— pushed along by a little stick. i've watched it. there's no hheee-e— i've watched it. there's no there's-internal- i've watched it. there's no there's internal combustion there's no internal combustion eeehee— there's no internal combustion eeehee-hhe— there's no internal combustion. engines.-the-carbon engines. this is the most carbon

heeheeh— engines. this is the most carbon heeheeh-eehhy— engines. this is the most carbon heeheh-eeehhy .— engines. this is the most carbon neutral really . they neutral sport, really. they eheehh— neutral sport, really. they should encouraging neutral sport, really. they should .encouraging to should be encouraging people to play— play snooker instead of, you heee.— play snooker instead of, you know, powerboat racing. yeah. whehe— know, powerboat racing. yeah. whehe hhe— know, powerboat racing. yeah. what's the logic— know, powerboat racing. yeah. what's the logic there?- know, powerboat racing. yeah. what's the logic there? well, they the they actually said the protesters we're doing this protesters said we're doing this because so people came to because so many people came to this trains and cars this event on trains and in cars , buses all of that , on on buses and all of that fume that they released is going to ruin the environment. and i suppose the protesters there suppose the protesters got there on they on a rickshaw. they they eeheehhy— on a rickshaw. they they- actually _ apparently, actually hitchhiked, apparently, or actually hitchhiked, apparently, eehhey— actually hitchhiked, apparently, ee hhey eehheh— actually hitchhiked, apparently, or they rolled in— actually hitchhiked, apparently, or they rolled in on their eeeehhe— or they rolled in on their parents money. i don't know what hhey— parents money. i don't know what hhey hhh— parents money. i don't know what hhey hhh. heh— parents money. i don't know what they did, but they're blaming parents money. i don't know what thejfans but they're blaming parents money. i don't know what thejfans but paid re blaming parents money. i don't know what thejfans but paid actuallyng parents money. i don't know what thejfans but paid actually ai parents money. i don't know what thejfans but paid actually a lot the fans who paid actually a lot of the fans who paid actually a lot eh hehey— the fans who paid actually a lot eh hehey he— the fans who paid actually a lot of money to see— the fans who paid actually a lot of money to see that event. he— of money to see that event. he he— of money to see that event. he is-thin9-_ of money to see that event. this is-thing. again- of money to see that event. this is thing. again and this is the thing. again and again the climate activists again with the climate activists is that they often end up annoying the when they annoying the public when they should get the should be trying to get the pubuc should be trying to get the public really public on side if they really cared the. there are cared about the. there are eeehehhy— cared about the. there are eeehehhy-h- cared about the. there are probably-in that. cared about the. there are. probably-in that room cared about the. there are- probably-in that room who probably people in that room who hhhhh—hl might have agreed with them if hhey—hheh- might have agreed with them if hhey—hheh hhhhl they hadn't done that right. heeh. —h- they hadn't done that right. yeah—h ehh| they hadn't done that right.- yeah._in and that yeah. and sent him in and that hheh— yeah. and sent him in and that hheh-e— yeah. and sent him in and that hheh-e heh— yeah. and sent him in and that that-a lot didn't- yeah. and sent him in and that that a lot didn't it. that happened a lot didn't it. when— that happened a lot didn't it. when yee— that happened a lot didn't it. when yee heh— that happened a lot didn't it. when you had was— that happened a lot didn't it. when you had was it- that happened a lot didn't it. when you had was it either extinction insulate extinction rebellion or insulate britain who prevented ambulances from to hospital? from getting to the hospital? that's to win over that's not a way to win over hearts minds. no, hearts and minds. no, absolutely. particularly hearts and minds. no, absolutely. ihaveularly hearts and minds. no, absolutely. ihave stopped, those hearts have stopped, heeeeee— those hearts have stopped, because they couldn't get to the heehhheh. — because they couldn't get to the hospital. disgusting. hospital. it's disgusting. and eehheehehy— hospital. it's disgusting. and- particularly—reduce particularly when you can reduce if particularly when you can reduce h yeeh— particularly when you can reduce h yeeh shee— particularly when you can reduce h yeeh shee oh— particularly when you can reduce if just stop oil extinction if just stop oil an extinction hehehheh— rebellion really believed that

eyehyhehy— everybody should reduce their eeheh— everybody should reduce their ehehzeeeh—- everybody should reduce their carbon _ zero, they i carbon footprint to zero, they eeehh — carbon footprint to zero, they- eeehh—eeheee could lead by example and reduce hhehe— could lead by example and reduce hhehe he— could lead by example and reduce hhehe he eee.— could lead by example and reduce theirs to zero. using— could lead by example and reduce theirs to zero. using one simple hheh — theirs to zero. using one simple hheh hhh— theirs to zero. using one simple trick. and what's— theirs to zero. using one simple trick. and what's that ? you put trick. and what's that? you put a trick. and what's that? you put e eheehe— trick. and what's that? you put a eheehe hee— trick. and what's that? you put a plastic bag over— trick. and what's that? you put a plastic bag over your head for eheeh— a plastic bag over your head for eheeh heh— a plastic bag over your head for about half an— a plastic bag over your head for about half an hour— a plastic bag over your head for about half an hour. a plastic bag over your head for about half an hour . “hip f: about half an hour. they could buy— about half an hour. they could buy blue tick and support. ellen, you said, created ellen, who, as you said, created electric cars. he made the tesla. they could okay. tesla. they could do that. okay. we just point that we should just point out that we do we should just point out that we he-ehheeee— we should just point out that we do-endorse putting- we should just point out that we do endorse putting bags over do not endorse putting bags over yeee—eee- do not endorse putting bags overj yeee—eee hexh your head. there we go. our next heeeheh— your head. there we go. our next heeeheh he— your head. there we go. our next question is from _ your head. there we go. our next question is from mark. hello, meek.— question is from mark. hello, mark-should- question is from mark. hello, mark. should single sex mark. hello. should single sex eeheehe— mark. hello. should single sex eeheehe he— mark. hello. should single sex schools be able— mark. hello. should single sex schools be able to reject transgender— schools be able to reject transgender pupils? so this is an interesting— transgender pupils? so this is an interesting one. so there's heee— an interesting one. so there's been e— an interesting one. so there's been e heh— an interesting one. so there's been e heh eh— an interesting one. so there's been a lot of back and forth hhhe— been a lot of back and forth over this and— been a lot of back and forth over this and government's over this and the government's hhhhy— over this and the government's hhhhy-hheee- finally drawn up these guidelines— finally drawn up these guidelines about single sex eeheehe— guidelines about single sex schools and— guidelines about single sex schools and that they schools and saying that they eheehh— schools and saying that they eheehh-he— schools and saying that they should _to reject- should be able to reject transgender— should be able to reject transgender pupils. the transgender pupils. and the gehhehee— transgender pupils. and the guidance would allow guidance would also allow heeeheee— guidance would also allow teachers to— guidance would also allow teachers to refuse to call eeehhe— teachers to refuse to call eeehhe hy— teachers to refuse to call pupils by their- teachers to refuse to call pupils by their preferred pronouns. and of course , this pronouns. and of course, this hee— pronouns. and of course, this he heee— pronouns. and of course, this has been prepared by education seeeehehy— has been prepared by education secretary gillian— has been prepared by education secretary gillian keegan and heeehhee— secretary gillian keegan and equalities minister kemi heheheeh— equalities minister kemi heheheeh .— equalities minister kemi badenoch . i— equalities minister kemi badenoch . i often wondered about badenoch. i often wondered about this badenoch. i often wondered about he heeeeee— badenoch. i often wondered about this because if— badenoch. i often wondered about this because if i— badenoch. i often wondered about this because if i know people ehe— this because if i know people ehe eheeh— this because if i know people ehe week he— this because if i know people who work in single sex schools enh— who work in single sex schools ehh eheh— who work in single sex schools and what happens when a person in and what happens when a person he he— and what happens when a person he hhe eeheeh— and what happens when a person in the school chain— and what happens when a person in the school chain uses gender hheehhy—

in the school chain uses gender hhehhhy. eey— in the school chain uses gender identity, say it's— in the school chain uses gender identity, say it's a— in the school chain uses gender identity, say it's a girl's eeheeh— identity, say it's a girl's school and _ identity, say it's a girl's school and one of the people eeye— school and one of the people eeye weh— school and one of the people says, well, now— school and one of the people says, well, now i'm boy. says, well, now i'm a boy. sheehhh-h— says, well, now i'm a boy. shouldn't-theml says, well, now i'm a boy.- shouldn't-them out ? shouldn't they kick them out? you — shouldn't they kick them out? you he. — shouldn't they kick them out? you no, because— shouldn't they kick them out? you no, because if they don't heh— kick them out, they're not eeeeeehhh— kick them out, they're not respecting gender kick them out, they're not respectir right gender kick them out, they're not respectirright \i der kick them out, they're not respectir right \ei der “ identity. right no, but i mean, it's just something that children doing for attention children are doing for attention . so what you do is you say, that's dear, and continue that's nice, dear, and continue about day if nothing has about your day as if nothing has happened. but if if happened. but what if what if the happened. but what if what if hhe-heeeheh- happened. but what if what if. the-question genuinely the people in question genuinely eehee— the people in question genuinely eehee-hehhee— the people in question genuinely suffer gender dysphoria? suffer from gender dysphoria? hhhe— suffer from gender dysphoria? this - authentic - suffer from gender dysphoria? this authentic feeling. this is an authentic feeling. vee— this is an authentic feeling. you—apply- this is an authentic feeling. you—apply hheh| you can't really apply that eheehh— you can't really apply that- criteria—mean, criteria then, can you? i mean, i criteria then, can you? i mean, h geese— criteria then, can you? i mean, h geese-eheeh— criteria then, can you? i mean, h geese-eeh-h .— criteria then, can you? i mean, i guess can't . but i mean, i guess you can't. but i mean, this this new ruling will just allow it will give teachers the opfion allow it will give teachers the option to refuse to sort of go along with it. teachers are all still going to go along with it because they're all they're all ideologically captured as well. so because so this is interesting because in there's in ireland, of course, there's a case the moment teacher case at the moment of a teacher who refused still refuses to who refused and still refuses to use the preferred pronouns of a male however, male teacher. but however, sche— male teacher. but however, scott, _whatever i male teacher. but however,- scott, _whatever you scott, you know, whatever you hhhh— scott, you know, whatever you hhhh eheeh— scott, you know, whatever you think about-that- scott, you know, whatever you think about that is called think about this, that is called eeheehheh— think about this, that is called. compelled _that compelled speech. i mean, that is compelled speech. i mean, that he—heeeehel is a sort of short step towards authoritarianism,— is a sort of short step towards authoritarianism, isn't it? i'm heh—ehy.- authoritarianism, isn't it? i'm. heh—ehy.-hhe not quite sure why, though. it's become issue, you know, become such an issue, you know, such a huge global media issue .

such a huge global media issue. it's grabbed so much attention when really it's a very intimate decision make when you're decision you make when you're that forward who you that age to push forward who you think you are. this is someone speaking as someone who's closeted until university . it's closeted until university. it's very difficult in high school to be who you are. i think it's very brave of these kids to say who they think they are. they're aware pressure will aware of the pressure that will happen, are problems happen, but there are problems with there? with this, aren't there? because have with this, aren't there? - because . have practitioners because we have practitioners ehe—hhe- because we have practitioners who—kids onto- who are pushing kids onto eehehy— who are pushing kids onto- eehehy—ehheeh puberty blockers, which almost eheeye— puberty blockers, which almost always-cross—sex- always lead to cross—sex hormones irreversible hormones and irreversible ehehhee— hormones and irreversible changes-body.- hormones and irreversible changes body. i do, hormones and irreversible- changes-body. i do, when changes to the body. i do, when in changes to the body. i do, when h-hh— changes to the body. i do, when h-hh hen-h— changes to the body. i do, when in it isn't dysphoria at in fact it isn't dysphoria at eh.— in fact it isn't dysphoria at he hheee— in fact it isn't dysphoria at all. there are— in fact it isn't dysphoria at all. there are other factors hvehveh— all. there are other factors involved and _ all. there are other factors involved and that is serious. whe— involved and that is serious. wehh. hh-e— involved and that is serious. wehh. hh-e good— involved and that is serious. well, it's good that- involved and that is serious. well, it's good that they- involved and that is serious. well, it's good that they put guidelines forward because if there's are there's anything schools are good following good at, usually it's following rules maybe help rules. so maybe this will help help them help to help them make it so people are angry about it. activists are very angry about he.— activists are very angry about he. yeah— activists are very angry about he. heeh eh— activists are very angry about this. yeah, of course. activists. _ this. yeah, of course. activists. i get- this. yeah, of course. activists. get confused by activists. i get so confused by the like if the subject. it's like if it's a girl and she wants be a boy, girl and she wants to be a boy, she's a girl school. can't she's in a girl school. can't they just say, you can be whatever want, darling, but whatever you want, darling, but when you're at school, you wear a your name is cindy. a skirt and your name is cindy. the the concern,

the trouble, the concern, hheehh— the trouble, the concern, hheegh he— the trouble, the concern, though, is that- the trouble, the concern, though, is that if you have a hehe— though, is that if you have a- hehe—eehhe male bodied individual who wants to male bodied individual who wants he-hhhe— male bodied individual who wants to-girls toilets,— to go into girls toilets, i mean, that's— to go into girls toilets, i mean, that's that's surely a massive problem. but massive problem. right? so but yes, i understand male yes, i understand a male bodied person, these person, but but these but these are have undergone are children who have undergone the haven't the surgery yet and haven't undergone the hormones or they're hormones. but this is they're on hormones. but this is this mean, the this is the problem. i mean, the ehhhheeh— this is the problem. i mean, the ehhhheeh eee— this is the problem. i mean, the children are getting— i mean, the children are getting caught up in children are getting caught up h-eeheh— children are getting caught up in social contagion. in this social contagion. and we've—bulimial in this social contagion. and- we've_bulimia and we've seen rates of bulimia and anorexia completely we've seen rates of bulimia and anorexia it completely we've seen rates of bulimia and anorexia it prettypletelyzero in dropped. it pretty much zero in eeheehe— dropped. it pretty much zero in eeheehe-ehh— dropped. it pretty much zero in schools all transgenderism schools while all transgenderism has schools while all transgenderism hee eheeh— schools while all transgenderism hee .— schools while all transgenderism hee . se— schools while all transgenderism has risen . so it's— schools while all transgenderism has risen . so it's replacing has risen. so it's replacing hehhhhe— has risen. so it's replacing bulimia and— has risen. so it's replacing bulimia and anorexia as a heehehe— bulimia and anorexia as a heehege ghhe— bulimia and anorexia as a teenage girls way of taking eeheeehh— teenage girls way of taking ownership over— teenage girls way of taking ownership over their body. desexualised_ ownership over their body. desexualised that's good because hhe— desexualised that's good because hhe eh— desexualised that's good because hhe eeh hee— desexualised that's good because kids eat too much. _ desexualised that's good because kids eat too much. “tile?" desexualised that's good because kids eat too much. / kids eat too much. yeah, but he— kids eat too much. yeah, but hhhe he— kids eat too much. yeah, but hhhe he he— kids eat too much. yeah, but this is a good thing. but then, i mean, this is a good thing. but then, h hhhe— this is a good thing. but then, i mean, like anorexia,- g: “g but then, i mean, like anorexia, you can't the— i mean, like anorexia, you can't heeh heee— i mean, like anorexia, you can't heeh heve e— i mean, like anorexia, you can't just have a sandwich and, hey, hm— just have a sandwich and, hey, hen—heee.— just have a sandwich and, hey, i'm _know, that's.- just have a sandwich and, hey,| i'm—know, that's. i'm i'm cured. you know, that's. i'm heh—h-h— i'm cured. you know, that's. i'm heh—h-h heehhy- not a doctor, but i'm pretty eeee-hheh— not a doctor, but i'm pretty sure that simple. but with sure it's that simple. but with the sure it's that simple. but with hhe ehhh— sure it's that simple. but with the with transitions, you can't the— the with transitions, you can't heeh gree— the with transitions, you can't heeh heee eeh— the with transitions, you can't just grow out your genitals back and just grow out your genitals back ehh yee— just grow out your genitals back ehh yee eee-h— just grow out your genitals back and you can't undo the damage hehe— and you can't undo the damage hehe hy— and you can't undo the damage hehe hy eehehy— and you can't undo the damage done by puberty blockers and hormones. okay.— done by puberty blockers and hormones. �*fhhi ”hi done by puberty blockers and hormones. gi “g hormones. okay. we're going to move another question. move on now to another question. this katie hi, katie. this is from katie. hi, katie. yes should dominic raab resign as yes should dominic raab resign he he hee— yes should dominic raab resign he an we se— yes should dominic raab resign as an mp? so this— “his should dominic raab resign as an mp? so this was the big he—

as an mp? so this was the big news. is dominic— as an mp? so this was the big news. j “ ht. t as an mp? so this was the big news. j “ ht. j g“ “g news. is dominic raab resigning after an inquiry found he had acted in an intimidating and aggressive manner towards civil servants ? well, civil servants servants? well, civil servants are annoying, aren't they? leo? what do you think ? i can't what do you think? i can't believe only in— what do you think? i can't believe only in the- h:i “

your lunch at them. saying that the your lunch at them. saying that hhe eheeh— your lunch at them. saying that the work wasn't— your lunch at them. saying that the work wasn't good enough. i when h— the work wasn't good enough. i mean, when i-teacher,. mean, when i was a teacher, i used to do that all the time. is that what did i bully those kids? you did. and that's why you— kids? you did. and that's why yee-heeh.— kids? you did. and that's why yee-heeh. heh— kids? you did. and that's why you-fired. but i- h:~37 you did. and that's why you fired. but i wonder if h:97 you did. and that's why you this fired. but i wonder if h:97 you did. and that's why you this there. but i wonder if h:97 you did. and that's why you this there werei wonder if h:97 you did. and that's why you this there were atvonder if h:97 you did. and that's why you this there were a lotder if h:97 you did. and that's why you this there were a lot of' if this this there were a lot of he— this this there were a lot of he ee— this this there were a lot of like 86 different allegations heeehhh— like 86 different allegations heeehhh-hhh. - like 86 different allegations brought him. only two brought against him. only two heh— brought against him. only two heh-hhh— brought against him. only two heh-hhh ehe. - brought against him. only two had hit rate. yeah, had not about hit rate. yeah, ehhy— had not about hit rate. yeah, ehhy-eehehhy— had not about hit rate. yeah, only actually went forward , only two actually went forward, the only two actually went forward, hhe ee— only two actually went forward, hhe yee — only two actually went forward, the ones you mentioned and i hhhhh— the ones you mentioned and i hhhhh he-e— the ones you mentioned and i think he's quite— the ones you mentioned and i think he's quite shocked and eeeeheeh— think he's quite shocked and eeeeheeh. h— think he's quite shocked and surprised. it would have been heeh— surprised. it would have been good hheehh— surprised. it would have been good hheegh h— surprised. it would have been good though, if the prime hhhhhehee— good though, if the prime. minister—and good though, if the prime- minister_and done minister had stepped in and done his minister had stepped in and done hhe-e— minister had stepped in and done hhe-e ehh— minister had stepped in and done his-a civil servant- his job as a civil servant and heeh— his job as a civil servant and heeh-hhhhh- his job as a civil servant and fired _think it- his job as a civil servant and fired think it makes fired rabbi. i think it makes hhh— fired rabbi. i think it makes hhh-eeeh - fired rabbi. i think it makes him -weak. they- fired rabbi. i think it makes him weak. “hip �*7 ”hih: fired rabbi. i think it makes- him -weak. they fired him him look weak. they fired him over throwing tomatoes. over throwing cherry tomatoes. this related. the this is a salad related. the problem this this is a salad related. the problem .this stuff- “ the problem this stuff about problem is this stuff about raab has problem is this stuff about raabi hee—hee has been floating around him for hehhe—heh— has been floating around him for hehhe—heh heeh- has been floating around him for quite not just these quite some time. not just these hee— quite some time. not just these hee hhhhhe. — quite some time. not just these hee hhhhge. hh-e— quite some time. not just these two things. it's been about a yeee— two things. it's been about a yeee ehh— two things. it's been about a year andlhalf,_ two things. it's been about a year and half, it's just year and a half, but it's just hehhh— year and a half, but it's just hehhh-e— year and a half, but it's just being-a weapon- year and a half, but it's just being a weapon to being used as a weapon to get rid being used as a weapon to get ehh-hhhhe— being used as a weapon to get rid-prime minister- being used as a weapon to get rid prime minister should rid of the prime minister should heee— rid of the prime minister should heee-ehehheh— rid of the prime minister should have - stepped . and - rid of the prime minister should have stepped and said rid of the prime minister should haveis stepped and said rid of the prime minister should haveis being pped and said rid of the prime minister should haveis being used and said rid of the prime minister should haveis being used as and said rid of the prime minister should haveis being used as aid said rid of the prime minister should haveis being used as a weapon, this is being used as a weapon, get this is being used as a weapon, heh-he-e— this is being used as a weapon, get he's replaceable. so get out. he's replaceable. so hheh— get out. he's replaceable. so that-problem,- get out. he's replaceable. so that-problem, we that is the problem, though. we live that is the problem, though. we hhhe-eehheee— that is the problem, though. we live-culture where- that is the problem, though. we live-culture where people. live in a culture where people can weaponize this. i'm not saying workplace intimidation doesn't happen. workplace bullying doesn't happen. workplace bulljshouldn't addressed. that shouldn't be addressed. of course addressed. course it should be addressed. but there is always a possibility someone could possibility that someone could say, perceive that i being say, i perceive that i was being bullied because say, i perceive that i was being bulli really because say, i perceive that i was being bulli really want because say, i perceive that i was being bulli really want bec fired, they really want someone fired, i face it

i mean, look, teachers face it all the time. the vast majority of complaints against teachers and because and pupils are because the pupils know those teachers get suspended pending investigation. they own back again. they get their own back again. none of this might have happened .—heeh— none of this might have happened ._been avoided. . this might have been avoided if . this might have been avoided hh-e— . this might have been avoided hh-e eheehh— . this might have been avoided if-a strong prime- if we had a strong prime hhhhhehee— if we had a strong prime minister, but— if we had a strong prime minister, but maybe he could heee— minister, but maybe he could have eheeeeh— minister, but maybe he could have stepped the have stepped in and had the ehh— have stepped in and had the ehhhh-heeh— have stepped in and had the civil-fired or- have stepped in and had the civil fired or dealt civil service fired or dealt ehh— civil service fired or dealt ehhh h— civil service fired or dealt with in private.- civil service fired or dealt with in private. the problem ehee— with in private. the problem ehe-heee— with in private. the problem also-raab raab- with in private. the problem also raab raab has not also is that raab raab has not eeehegheeh.— also is that raab raab has not apologised, but— also is that raab raab has not apologised, but maybe he doesn't hhhhh— apologised, but maybe he doesn't hhhhh he— apologised, but maybe he doesn't hhhhh he hhh— apologised, but maybe he doesn't think he did anything. that's a eeehheh— think he did anything. that's a problem hee— think he did anything. that's a problem too. he— think he did anything. that's a problem too. he shouldn't eeeheghee. — problem too. he shouldn't apologise. “g apologise. if anything, he should should be should be, he should be promoted. the allegations promoted. but to the allegations brought as brought forward were shown as having some sort of legitimacy , having some sort of legitimacy, so he should apologise for those they have a final word. well, i think ridiculous that that think it's ridiculous that that civil servants who aren't elected who they get elected can decide who they get to be ruled by people elected dominic raab to tell the civil service what to enact service what to do to enact those policies so the civil service and choose service can't pick and choose what they do. got a woke what they do. we've got a woke activist blob running the country and there's nothing we can do really. and he's going to be can do really. and he's going to he h— can do really. and he's going to he h hhhhh— can do really. and he's going to be i think he's— can do really. and he's going to be i think he's going— £3 h:hi ”cap and he's going to be i think he's going to be eeeehheh— be i think he's going to be recalled-own- recalled by his own constituency. i think his eehhhheeh— constituency. i think his- political—well, political career is over. well, he— political career is over. well, this—healthy- political career is over. well,- this_healthy debate, this has been a healthy debate, but this has been a healthy debate, heh-hh—

this has been a healthy debate, heh-ehh eee— this has been a healthy debate, but-all we've got- this has been a healthy debate, but all we've got time but that's all we've got time for but that's all we've got time her hh— but that's all we've got time her he he— but that's all we've got time for in this section. £hih“ “g for in this section. but coming up on speech i'm up on free speech nation, i'm going joined by comedian going to be joined by comedian and known has had and rapper known who has had some dates on his tour some of the dates on his tour cancelled because he said wait for it. men can't get pregnant. ooh, shocking stuff back shortly

to gb news radio. welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle, a rapper and stand up comedian has had some of the dates on his toun had some of the dates on his tour, cancelled after he said that men can't get pregnant. no one who posts videos on c no one who posts videos on tiktok ehh— one who posts videos on tiktok ehh heheheh— one who posts videos on tiktok and instagram to— one who posts videos on tiktok and instagram to almost a hhhhheh— and instagram to almost a million followers was accused of heehehhehhe— million followers was accused of transphobia after— million followers was accused of transphobia after making the remarks. he'll— transphobia after making the remarks. he'll tell us more in a hemehh— remarks. he'll tell us more in a hehehh heh— remarks. he'll tell us more in a moment. but first,— remarks. he'll tell us more in a moment. but first, let's take a heeh— moment. but first, let's take a heeh eh— moment. but first, let's take a heeh eh heee— moment. but first, let's take a look at noon in— moment. but first, let's take a look at noon in action. let's get— look at noon in action. let's heh hhhe— look at noon in action. let's geh he he— look at noon in action. let's get into the fight now. hhehyhehy— get into the fight now. everybody mad- get into the fight now. everybody mad that. get into the fight now.

everybody mad that i'm sitting in my back now. you mad are still in a with the still living in a house with the windows out. and windows all smashed out. and you should that should already know that my manoeuvres planned when manoeuvres are planned out when i room, stand up and i walk in a room, stand up and don't sat down. don't move to the sat down. wait, sound? sounds wait, what's that sound? sounds like wait, what's that sound? sounds hhhelheh— wait, what's that sound? sounds hhhelheh eh— wait, what's that sound? sounds likellot of money— wait, what's that sound? sounds like lot of money in my bank like a lot of money in my bank hee. — like a lot of money in my bank hey. hey— like a lot of money in my bank heee. hey hey— like a lot of money in my bank now. every day i'm- like a lot of money in my bank now. h:3p 9hi.. “9 now. every day i'm getting packed now, give a pat packed now, so give myself a pat on back. now pose for a pic on the back. now pose for a pic ehh— on the back. now pose for a pic ehhh-hee.— on the back. now pose for a pic ehhh-hee. — on the back. now pose for a pic with-now. think- on the back. now pose for a pic. with-now. think-book with a fan now. think might book a spontaneous trip to japan. now. no real name rory williams joins now. evening . of joins me now. good evening. of course no you do you're more comedian than rapper these days, aren't both aren't you? yeah you do both of those things. and so what those things. yeah. and so what was was mostly was the tour? was it mostly a comedy tour that you were doing? stand up comedy tour? yeah. and hey— stand up comedy tour? yeah. and hey many— stand up comedy tour? yeah. and how many venues— stand up comedy tour? yeah. and how many venues pulled the how many venues have pulled the seven yeah seven pulled out? seven? yeah so i think for the viewers benefit, would help so i think for the viewers bewe it, would help so i think for the viewers bewe understood would help so i think for the viewers bewe understood whatild help so i think for the viewers bewe understood what iti help so i think for the viewers bewe understood what it wasp if we understood what it was that you said and who, who you said why it caused said it to and why it caused such offence. okay. basically such offence. okay. so basically —eehee he hy- , obviously it comes to my ehhehhheh— , obviously it comes to my attention there— , obviously it comes to my attention there was of, attention there was a lot of, hhh— attention there was a lot of, h-hh ehh— attention there was a lot of, um, i'll call them trans extremists,— um, i'll call them trans extremists, you know , i've seen extremists, you know, i've seen vhheee— extremists, you know, i've seen vhheeelheh— extremists, you know, i've seen videos men marketing women, videos of men marketing women, eehhhehy— videos of men marketing women, eehhhehy heeehe— videos of men marketing women, sanitary towels and _ videos of men marketing women, sanitary towels and women's bras

and sanitary towels and women's bras ehh h— sanitary towels and women's bras ehh h eehh— sanitary towels and women's bras ehh h eehh hhhe— sanitary towels and women's bras and i went into primark and i hehe— and i went into primark and i hehe e— and i went into primark and i hehe e vhhee— and i went into primark and i made a video trying on maternity . hhh— made a video trying on maternity wear . and somebody commented on wear. and somebody commented on the wear. and somebody commented on hhe vhhee— wear. and somebody commented on hhe vhhee ehh— wear. and somebody commented on the video and said,— wear. and somebody commented on the video and said, oh , i find the video and said, oh, i find hhhe— the video and said, oh, i find this offensive. _ the video and said, oh, i find this offensive. i'm a pregnant . hhh— this offensive. i'm a pregnant . hhh h— this offensive. i'm a pregnant . hhh h eey— this offensive. i'm a pregnant man . and i say, well, men can't man. and i say, well, men can't get— man. and i say, well, men can't geh eeeghehh— man. and i say, well, men can't geh eeeghehh .— man. and i say, well, men can't get pregnant . right? and then get pregnant. right? and then and get pregnant. right? and then ehh hheh-e— get pregnant. right? and then and that's the _ get pregnant. right? and then and that's the key phrase, men eee-h— and that's the key phrase, men eeh-h-heehhehh.— and that's the key phrase, men can't pregnant, can't get can't get pregnant, can't get eeeghehh. — can't get pregnant, can't get pregnant. 53£ hi“ �*7 £ can't get pregnant, can't get pregnant. 53£ hi“. �*7 £ £ can't get pregnant, can't get pregnant. 53£ hi“. £ £ “413?" pregnant. scientific facts. yeah can get you in trouble. but of course, you know, we've seen people like mulvaney. you people like dylan mulvaney. you know, male know, biological, male advertising sportswear. advertising, women's sportswear. well, was what that was. well, that was what that was. that the was what that was the that was what started it. and a lot of people hen-h— started it. and a lot of people heh-h ehhy— : . and a lot of people don't really understand why that women-offensive. - women find that offensive. but, of women find that offensive. but, eh-hh-e— women find that offensive. but, eh-hh-e-eh— of course, it's kind of offensive, isn't it? of course, it's-infringement- offensive, isn't it? of course, it's-infringement on - . .7 of course, it's infringement on women, it's an infringement on women, ehheee— it's an infringement on women, spices, women's rights. \hihhh spices, women's rights. now, i eheehh— spices, women's rights. now, i eheehh-hheh.— spices, women's rights. now, i should that, know , you should say that, you know, you were accused of transphobia , the were accused of transphobia, the hate, the pink news said that you were harassed wing people on instagram because you'd use this phrase more than once. you'd use the phrase men can't get pregnant. what do you say pregnant. yeah. what do you say when that you've been when people say that you've been harassing you harassing people? how do you respond that ? well, harassing people? how do you respond that? well, i've respond to that? well, i've asked everybody.- respond to that? well, i've asked everybody. i- : .“3.7 well, i've asked everybody. i just spoke tech.— asked everybody. i just spoke heehlheeh— asked everybody. i just spoke fact.imean, is— asked everybody. i just spoke fact.imean, is it— asked everybody. i just spoke fact. mean, is it it fact. i mean, is it is it harassment- fact. i mean, is it is it harassment to speak fact? well,

eeeehe— harassment to speak fact? well, some people would it is some people would say that it is eeehehhhy— some people would say that it is eeehehhhy heh— some people would say that it is eeehehhhy heh hh— some people would say that it is apparently not in my world. no, no apparently not in my world. no, he . he— apparently not in my world. no, he . he yee— apparently not in my world. no, he . he yee ah— apparently not in my world. no, no. do you get concerned because you've also had attitude magazine , people going after you magazine, people going after you now attitude magazine said that they that probably they felt that you've probably suffered internalised suffered from internalised hatred. . yeah, i hatred. i've really. yeah, i hate that. i— hatred. i've really. yeah, i hate that. i mean,- : ”hi3.p yeah,i hate that. i mean, for : ”hi3.p yeah, i hate that. i mean, for me, look, when— hate that. i mean, for me, look, when h— hate that. i mean, for me, look, when h hhhhh— hate that. i mean, for me, look, when i think about— hate that. i mean, for me, look, when i think about it, when eeeehe— when i think about it, when eeeehe ceme— when i think about it, when people come at— when i think about it, when people come at me and say those hhhhe— people come at me and say those hhhhelhhhhee— people come at me and say those hhhhelhhhhhe h— people come at me and say those kinds things, i think, well, kinds of things, i think, well, hee— kinds of things, i think, well, heee-yee— kinds of things, i think, well, heee-yee ehh- kinds of things, i think, well, how you can have your how come you can have your ehhhheh—hyi opinion, but i can't have my eehhhehe— opinion, but i can't have my opinion? that's— opinion, but i can't have my opinion? that's just my opinion. it opinion? that's just my opinion. hh heeeh-h— opinion? that's just my opinion. it doesn't mean— opinion? that's just my opinion. it doesn't mean that there's ehyhhhhh— it doesn't mean that there's ehyhhhhg eheeh— it doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with me inside. hheh-e— anything wrong with me inside. we the— anything wrong with me inside. that's just how— anything wrong with me inside. that's just how i— anything wrong with me inside. that's just how i the world. anything wrong with me inside. tha'actually ow i the world. anything wrong with me inside. tha'actually ow i happya world. anything wrong with me inside. tha'actually ow i happy in/orld. i'm actually very happy in hyeeh. — i'm actually very happy in myself. confident in myself. i'm very confident in hyeeh. —h- myself. i'm very confident in myself. _i feel- myself. that's why i feel like i can express opinions. and can express my opinions. and i heeh— can express my opinions. and i heeh-h— can express my opinions. and i heeh-h eey— can express my opinions. and i feel i say statements feel like when i say statements he— feel like when i say statements he hhh— feel like when i say statements like that that— feel like when i say statements like that that really they're eeh— like that that really they're eeh eh— like that that really they're sort of deflecting. yeah back ehhe— sort of deflecting. yeah back ehhe yee. — sort of deflecting. yeah back onto you. imean,- sort of deflecting. yeah back onto you. mean, that onto you. i mean, that eehheehee— onto you. i mean, that particular statement from hhhhhehe— particular statement from - attitude _ suggested attitude magazine also suggested that attitude magazine also suggested hheh-hhe— attitude magazine also suggested that the equivalent that you were the equivalent to vhehhhhe— that you were the equivalent to vladimir putin— that you were the equivalent to vladimir putin or— that you were the equivalent to vladimir putin or it was very eheeheh— vladimir putin or it was very extreme saying— vladimir putin or it was very extreme saying that you're hhehhhhh— extreme saying that you're inciting violence. so let's just clarify. accused you of clarify. they accused you of calling trans people mentally ill . pinknews accused of ill. pinknews accused you of saying people are saying that trans people are a freak but you were very freak show, but you were very specifically about the specifically talking about the minority of extremist activists,

not trans people as a whole and trans people as a whole. at all. no, just the extremists. - at all. no, just the extremists. and i heeh— no, just the extremists. and i feel—extremists. feel like it's the extremists hhh— feel like it's the extremists hheh heee— feel like it's the extremists that have loudest voice , that have the loudest voice, eeeeehhhy— that have the loudest voice, eeeeehehhy hh— that have the loudest voice, especially in the— that have the loudest voice, especially in the media and on eeeheh— especially in the media and on social media.— especially in the media and on social media. you— especially in the media and on social media. you know, these hhe— social media. you know, these hhe hhh— social media. you know, these are the kind of— social media. you know, these are the kind of clips we're are the kind of clips that we're eeehhh— are the kind of clips that we're eeehhh-heh — are the kind of clips that we're seeing from extremist seeing coming from extremist heee— seeing coming from extremist heee-— seeing coming from extremist hehe- hheyhe- seeing coming from extremist trans . they're not a real trans people. they're not a real representation— trans people. they're not a real representation even of the trans eemmeehhy— representation even of the trans eehhehhhy. heh— representation even of the trans community. but unfortunately, hhey— community. but unfortunately, hhey heee— community. but unfortunately, hhey have hhe— community. but unfortunately, they have the loudest voice heeeeee— they have the loudest voice because a lot— they have the loudest voice because a lot of— they have the loudest voice because a lot of people are so eheeh— because a lot of people are so eeeeeh he— because a lot of people are so scared to speak— because a lot of people are so scared to speak out about them. hhh— scared to speak out about them. hhh e— scared to speak out about them. hhh e heh— scared to speak out about them. hhh e heh eh— scared to speak out about them. and a lot of people will say, heh— and a lot of people will say, heh ehh— and a lot of people will say, but waitlminute,- and a lot of people will say, but wait minute, is the but wait a minute, this is the hehhhhh— but wait a minute, this is the lgbtqia plus— but wait a minute, this is the lgbtqia plus community xyz , x, lgbtqia plus community xyz, x, y, lgbtqia plus community xyz, x, y, z. — lgbtqia plus community xyz, x, h. e. h— lgbtqia plus community xyz, x, h. e. h peehehhy— lgbtqia plus community xyz, x, y, z. i probably missed- lgbtqia plus community xyz, x, y, z. i probably missed a couple of letters. that's a hate crime. yeah but you're part of that community and that's why they're saying this is internalised hatred. do you think there's hatred. why do you think there's a problem because did a problem here? because you did do you said that do a video where you said that you were sick of the word community. can you explain what you that? yeah, think you mean by that? yeah, i think for you mean by that? yeah, i think her-ehee— you mean by that? yeah, i think for-when-looking- you mean by that? yeah, i think for-when-looking at- for me, when i'm looking at hhheaehhee— for me, when i'm looking at transgender looking at transgender and i'm looking at hhh— transgender and i'm looking at we ehh— transgender and i'm looking at we ehh h.— transgender and i'm looking at lgb and t, they're— transgender and i'm looking at lgb and t, they're much lgb and t, they're very much hhheeehh— lgb and t, they're very much different things. _ lgb and t, they're very much different things. know, one different things. you know, one eeheeh— different things. you know, one eeeeeh he— different things. you know, one aspect is sexual— different things. you know, one aspect is sexual orientation and the aspect is sexual orientation and hhe ehhee— aspect is sexual orientation and hhe ehhee he— aspect is sexual orientation and hhe ehhee he e— aspect is sexual orientation and the other is a gender dysphoria hhh—

the other is a gender dysphoria hheh h— the other is a gender dysphoria hheh h hen-h— the other is a gender dysphoria that i don't see— the other is a gender dysphoria that i don't see how they can be hheh— that i don't see how they can be hheh ehhee— that i don't see how they can be tied under the— that i don't see how they can be tied under the same umbrella . us tied under the same umbrella. us heeeh-h— tied under the same umbrella. us heeeh-h heee— tied under the same umbrella. us doesn't make sense— tied under the same umbrella. us doesn't make sense to me because hheyhe— doesn't make sense to me because hheyhe heh— doesn't make sense to me because hheyhe heh hhe— doesn't make sense to me because they're not the same— doesn't make sense to me because they're not the same how they're not the same thing. how eheehh— they're not the same thing. how eeehh yee— they're not the same thing. how eeehh yee heeh— they're not the same thing. how would you feel if— they're not the same thing. how would you feel if some of the eehhhhehe— would you feel if some of the activists said— would you feel if some of the activists said want to activists said we'd want to eeh— activists said we'd want to convert-with - activists said we'd want to convert with you activists said we'd want to- convert-with you about convert session with you about it convert session with you about hh—hheeeeeheh- convert session with you about it discussion rather it and have a discussion rather hheh— it and have a discussion rather hheh heeeeee— it and have a discussion rather than because-had- it and have a discussion rather than because had lot than because you've had a lot of eheee— than because you've had a lot of abuse-backlash— than because you've had a lot of abuse-backlash to- than because you've had a lot of abuse backlash to this? abuse as a backlash to this? hee— abuse as a backlash to this? hes-seepeheeh— abuse as a backlash to this? has-surprised-thatl has that surprised you, that sort approach ? well, not sort of approach? well, not really, sort of approach? well, not eeehhy. — sort of approach? well, not eehhy. h— sort of approach? well, not really, no. i mean,- £7 well, not really, no. i mean, because i ehehe— really, no. i mean, because i ehehe ehh— really, no. i mean, because i eeehe ehh h— really, no. i mean, because i spoke and i said— really, no. i mean, because i spoke and i said that men can't get spoke and i said that men can't geh eeeghehh. — spoke and i said that men can't geh eeeghehh. -e- spoke and i said that men can't get pregnant. a fact. get pregnant. that was a fact. no get pregnant. that was a fact. he ee— get pregnant. that was a fact. he hee— get pregnant. that was a fact. no one has came— get pregnant. that was a fact. no one has came back at me with a no one has came back at me with eheeh. — no one has came back at me with eheeh. hheyhe— no one has came back at me with a fact. they've-came- no one has came back at me with a fact. they've came with a fact. they've just came with he— a fact. they've just came with eheee-ehhhh— a fact. they've just came with abuse. still haven't abuse. so you still haven't eeeeehheh— abuse. so you still haven't responded that responded to the statement that i responded to the statement that h hehe.— responded to the statement that h hehe. ehheh— responded to the statement that i made, which is— responded to the statement that i made, which is that men can't get i made, which is that men can't geh eeeghehhe — i made, which is that men can't get pregnant? .so- i made, which is that men can't get pregnant? . get pregnant? no. so it's as though they. they've though that's all they. they've just deflected by— 9 they've just deflected by abusing me. yeah— just deflected by abusing me. heeh hhh— just deflected by abusing me. heeh hhh hh— just deflected by abusing me. yeah and it doesn't me yeah and it doesn't bother me because,-you're- because, you know, you're ehhhhheh — because, you know, you're entitled opinion . i'm entitled to your opinion. i'm ehhhhheh— entitled to your opinion. i'm entitled-mine.— entitled to your opinion. i'm entitled mine. but it's entitled to mine. but it's ehvheeehy— entitled to mine. but it's obviously very- entitled to mine. but it's obviously very clear i'm not ehhhhheh— obviously very clear i'm not ehhhhheh he— obviously very clear i'm not entitled to mine.- obviously very clear i'm not entitled to mine. you can entitled to mine. but you can ehh— entitled to mine. but you can ehhhh-yeeee— entitled to mine. but you can ehhhh-yeeee. — entitled to mine. but you can still-yours. and- entitled to mine. but you can. still-yours. and _of still have yours. and some of the abuse has been quite racist . so, you know , is . yeah. and so, you know, is there there's clearly a double there a there's clearly a double standard going on here. definitely. know, so what definitely. you know, so what will now in terms the will you do now in terms of the tour? say a few tour? because you say a few venues said, no, we're not venues have said, no, we're not doing it. can you explain to us why you think do why you think they would do that? surely you're

that? because surely you're selling tickets for them. you're making money for them. why would they suddenly well, we they suddenly say, well, we won't have you on then? so i knew i knew that some- hhhih“ . hi“ .“hi“7 so i knew i knew that some of the exhemhehe— knew i knew that some of the extremists had _ knew i knew that some of the extremists had contacted the venues already— extremists had contacted the venues already .— extremists had contacted the venues already . so extremists had contacted the venues already. so i emailed all the venues already. so i emailed all hhe eee— venues already. so i emailed all the venues and— venues already. so i emailed all the venues and gave them a heads up. the venues and gave them a heads eh. h— the venues and gave them a heads eh. h ehh— the venues and gave them a heads eh. h eehh he— the venues and gave them a heads up. i said to them,— the venues and gave them a heads up. i said to them, i'll give you— up. i said to them, i'll give yee hhh— up. i said to them, i'll give you till 5:00— up. i said to them, i'll give you till 5:00 tomorrow and if i hee-h— you till 5:00 tomorrow and if i heh-h heee— you till 5:00 tomorrow and if i don't hear from _ you till 5:00 tomorrow and if i don't hear from you, then i eeeehe— don't hear from you, then i presume-you're- don't hear from you, then i- presume .you're-going presume that you're still going eheeh—he- presume that you're still going eheeh—he hehh- presume that you're still going ahead. to pull out, ahead. if you wish to pull out, ehehh— ahead. if you wish to pull out, ehehh-hhh— ahead. if you wish to pull out, email-and then- ahead. if you wish to pull out, email and then when i woke email me. and then when i woke up email me. and then when i woke eh-heehhhh— email me. and then when i woke up - morning, seven - email me. and then when i woke up morning, seven of up the next morning, seven of hen — up the next morning, seven of| hheh _whhh up the next morning, seven of. hen _whhh he them had just pulled out with no exehehehheh.— them had just pulled out with no explanation-then— them had just pulled out with no explanation. then obviously explanation. and then obviously ehh— explanation. and then obviously hheh hee— explanation. and then obviously hheh her he— explanation. and then obviously what for me now,— explanation. and then obviously what for me now, there's other ehhehe— what for me now, there's other ehhehe hhh— what for me now, there's other artists that are _ what for me now, there's other artists that are touring at hheee— artists that are touring at those venues— artists that are touring at those venues that share the same heee— those venues that share the same views as me that— those venues that share the same views as me that have been just as views as me that have been just he heeeh— views as me that have been just he veeeh . heh— views as me that have been just as vocal, but their— views as me that have been just as vocal, but their tours heveh-h— as vocal, but their tours haven't been- as vocal, but their tours haven't been cancelled , but more haven't been cancelled, but more here— haven't been cancelled, but more heeee heee.— haven't been cancelled, but more tours have. that's— haven't been cancelled, but more tours have. that's what i can't i tours have. that's what i can't h eee-h— tours have. that's what i can't h eeh-h ehhy— tours have. that's what i can't i can't really grasp what that's eheeh. — i can't really grasp what that's eheeh. se— i can't really grasp what that's eheeh. se why— i can't really grasp what that's about. so why would that be? is it about. so why would that be? is hh heeeeee— about. so why would that be? is it because the— about. so why would that be? is it because the activists- about. so why would that be? is it because the activists have made of a noise when it made more of a noise when it comes you? i'm guessing so, comes to you? i'm guessing so, yeah.— comes to you? i'm guessing so, yeah-h— comes to you? i'm guessing so, yeah-h eheeh— comes to you? i'm guessing so, yeah.-i mean, there's- comes to you? i'm guessing so, yeah.-i mean, there's a- i 7 i'm guessing so, yeah. i mean, there's a real yeah. but i mean, there's a real heeee— yeah. but i mean, there's a real eh— yeah. but i mean, there's a real issue of freedom _ yeah. but i mean, there's a real issue of freedom of— yeah. but i mean, there's a real issue of freedom of speech here, hee-h— issue of freedom of speech here, heh-h—h- issue of freedom of speech here, heh-h—h eheehi isn't there? you know, i mean, you artist, as a creative, you as an artist, as a creative, should to express should be able to express yourself that yourself in whatever way that yourself in whatever way that you yet the people who you want. and yet the people who

run the venues are saying no. i mean, do you think this is this is problem getting is a problem that's getting worse more generally? worse in society more generally? yeah, mean, it's yeah, absolutely. i mean, it's cancel yeah, absolutely. i mean, it's eeheeh-hee— yeah, absolutely. i mean, it's. cancel-you-people cancel culture. you know, people heee—eey— cancel culture. you know, people have say something have an opinion say something hhh— have an opinion say something hheh-hhhh— have an opinion say something that-align-what. have an opinion say somethingi that-align-what the that doesn't align with what the hhheehhy— that doesn't align with what the minority—usually. minority because it's usually hhe—heehhe- minority because it's usually- the—people-have the minority of people that have the minority of people that have hhe—ehe- the minority of people that have hhe—hhe eey- the loudest voice who say eehehhhhh— something that doesn't align and:— something that doesn't align. and,-career cancelled and, you know, career cancelled eheee—hheel and, you know, career cancelled. shows—know, don't shows cancelled, you know, don't eheeh— shows cancelled, you know, don't yeah he— shows cancelled, you know, don't yeah he eee— shows cancelled, you know, don't yeah he yee— shows cancelled, you know, don't want to see you again. but i've never—eheeh- never really cared about that. he— never really cared about that. hee-heee— never really cared about that. i've-been-vocall never really cared about that. i've-been-vocal .l never really cared about that. i've-been-vocal . in i've always been very vocal. in my— i've always been very vocal. in hy-hehhhhh-e- i've always been very vocal. in my nothing's changed my opinion, nothing's changed for my opinion, nothing's changed her-.— my opinion, nothing's changed heel eheeh— my opinion, nothing's changed for-, apart from _ my opinion, nothing's changed for , apart from the fact that for me, apart from the fact that he— for me, apart from the fact that hee-he— for me, apart from the fact that i've-to-obviously- i've had to now, obviously. eeehehhe—hhe rearrange my tour. that's the ehhy— rearrange my tour. that's the ehe—.- rearrange my tour. that's the ehhy—. heh- rearrange my tour. that's the ehhy—. heh h-hhi only inconvenience. but i'll ehhhh— only inconvenience. but i'll ehhhh-hy— only inconvenience. but i'll still my platforms and still have my platforms and i ehh— still have my platforms and i ehhhh—ehhl still have my platforms and i. ehhhh—ehh hm still have my audience and i'm ehhhh— still have my audience and i'm ehhhh he— still have my audience and i'm ehhhh he hee— still have my audience and i'm still to free express myself. hhh— still to free express myself. hhhleeeeee.— still to free express myself. and-course, your- still to free express myself. and of course, your audience, what they find so appealing about you that very about you is that you're very plain know, you plain spoken. you know, if you watch your you don't watch your videos, you don't hold at all. hold back, you know, at all. it's you have no it's almost like you have no censorship filter. you don't have no filter, that's have that. no filter, that's all. no. great. that's all. no. which is great. that's that's that's the whole appeal. so you're on tiktok and so you're mostly on tiktok and instagram, that right? yeah. instagram, is that right? yeah. yeah. and what sort of thing? just people who don't just for the people who don't know what sort of thing do you do those? i do know what sort of thing do you do those? ido lots know what sort of thing do you do those? i do lots of do on those? i do lots of hhheeehh— do on those? i do lots of different-it's- do on those? i do lots of different- it's very| do on those? i do lots of differint-it's very| £hi hi“ 7 i do lots of differin the it's very £hi hi“ 7 i do lots of differin the moment,'ery £hi hi“ 7 i do lots of differin the moment, you know, light in the moment, you know, i hee-h— light in the moment, you know, i heh-h ehhy— light in the moment, you know, i heh-h eeehhy-e— light in the moment, you know, i don't really-a plan- light in the moment, you know, i

don't really a plan or don't really have a plan or eehhmehhee— don't really have a plan or sometimesisee- don't really have a plan or sometimes see news article sometimes i see a news article ehh— sometimes i see a news article ehh h— sometimes i see a news article ehh h hhhhh— sometimes i see a news article and i think, well,— sometimes i see a news article and i think, well, i'm going to make— and i think, well, i'm going to make e— and i think, well, i'm going to make e vhhee— and i think, well, i'm going to make a video about today. make a video about that today. sehehhhee— make a video about that today. sometimes _thel make a video about that today. i sometimes—the shop make a video about that today. i sommakes_the shop make a video about that today. i sommake a_the shop make a video about that today. sommake a video the shop make a video about that today. sommake a video about the shop) and make a video about the shop or and make a video about the shop ee hehhe— and make a video about the shop eh gehhh hh— and make a video about the shop or going in primark. yeah eehhmehhee— or going in primark. yeah- sometimes—videos sometimes i might make videos eheeh— about whatever's on my mind. heeh— about whatever's on my mind. yeah-he— about whatever's on my mind. yeah-do-think- about whatever's on my mind.| yeah - do .think your yeah yeah. do you think your behaviour change off the behaviour will change off the back like these back of this? like what these activists have they back of this? like what these acti to ts have they back of this? like what these acti to you have they back of this? like what these acti to you at have they back of this? like what these acti to you at all? have they back of this? like what these acti to you at all? no, ave they back of this? like what these acti to you at all? no, really?( got to you at all? no, really? not at all. not at no. not at all. not at all. no. because many that because so many people that i have show who have been have on this show who have been dogpiled kind of dogpiled online and that kind of thing, they say it hasn't faze me at all. it has not fazed me. all me at all. it has not fazed me. hhh hy— me at all. it has not fazed me. hhh my mhehhe— me at all. it has not fazed me. all my friends have— it has not fazed me. all my friends have been phoning me. sure you're okay? me. are you sure you're okay? hee— me. are you sure you're okay? hee-yeee- me. are you sure you're okay? hee-yeehe-h-mi are you sure you're okay? i'm hhh— are you sure you're okay? i'm hhe—yeei like, yeah, i'm fine. like, you knew.— like, yeah, i'm fine. like, you heee. heh— like, yeah, i'm fine. like, you know, butlcan_ like, yeah, i'm fine. like, you know, butican see- like, yeah, i'm fine. like, you know, but can see why they know, but i can see why they hhhhh— know, but i can see why they think-because - know, but i can see why they think because you at think that because you look at all think that because you look at ehh—heeh- think that because you look at ehh—heeh ehl think that because you look at all—look at all all that abuse, you look at all hhh— all that abuse, you look at all hheh-h— all that abuse, you look at all hheh-h hhhhh- all that abuse, you look at all that-i think that. all that abuse, you look at all that i think that it that backlash. i think that it eheehh— that backlash. i think that it eeehh. heh— that backlash. i think that it eeehh. heh h— that backlash. i think that it would. but i very much stand by my ehehemehh. — would. but i very much stand by my statement. men get my statement. men can't get hegem— my statement. men can't get eeeghmh-ehh- my statement. men can't get. pregnant.-and-me, pregnant. um, and also for me, heeh— pregnant. um, and also for me, heeh-ee— pregnant. um, and also for me, heeh-ee ee— pregnant. um, and also for me, heeh-ee he e— pregnant. um, and also for me, look,-as as a if- pregnant. um, and also for me, look, as as a if you're look, i think as as a if you're a woman and you- look, i think as as a if you're a woman and you want to hehehhheh— a woman and you want to transition to— a woman and you want to transition to a— a woman and you want to transition to a man, that's fine . hm.— transition to a man, that's fine . hm. yee— transition to a man, that's fine . em. yee heee.— transition to a man, that's fine . um, you know, but if you ehhy— . um, you know, but if you really transition- . um, you know, but if you really transition from a woman to really transition from a woman he e— really transition from a woman he e mm— really transition from a woman he e ehh— really transition from a woman he e ehh yee— really transition from a woman to a man and you still keep your heme.— to a man and you still keep your heme. hheh— to a man and you still keep your heme. hheh yee— to a man and you still keep your womb, then you can't really be a man because-don't- womb, then you can't really be a man because don't have wombs man because men don't have wombs . lhheh— man because men don't have wombs . lhhehyee-e— man because men don't have wombs . .what you're suggesting- man because men don't have wombs . .what you're suggesting is- . so what you're suggesting is that scientific facts

that to state scientific facts shouldn't cancelable shouldn't be a cancelable offence. and i think your offence. no. and i think your approach of saying of not doing what a lot of people do, which is they issue an apology, i'm not doing the apology, the influence of apology on. sorry. no, i'm not apologising.- influence of apology on. sorry. no, i'm not apologising. i- i 9p hi“ sorry. no, i'm not apologising. i don't . hhe— no, i'm not apologising. i don't care . it's caused— care. it's caused me inconvenience by speaking my mhh— inconvenience by speaking my mhhh. heh— inconvenience by speaking my mhhh. heh em— inconvenience by speaking my mind. but um, most of my tour is eeeh— mind. but um, most of my tour is back reinstated— mind. but um, most of my tour is back reinstated now.— mind. but um, most of my tour is back reinstated now. i'm going to announce it— back reinstated now. i'm going to announce it next week, so he— to announce it next week, so he e— to announce it next week, so he e hhhhhe— to announce it next week, so it's a little inconvenience, but it's a little inconvenience, but hh heee-h— it's a little inconvenience, but it hasn't really— it's a little inconvenience, but it hasn't really caused me any harm. — it hasn't really caused me any harm. hhh— it hasn't really caused me any harm. and actually,- it hasn't really caused me any harm. “h: i harm. and actually, that's a really to set really good example to set because i see someone because every time i see someone make apology, know, because every time i see someone make they apology, know, because every time i see someone make they get logy, know, because every time i see someone make they get scared know, because every time i see someone make they get scared because of when they get scared because of the dogpiling, it makes it worse. get more worse. like people get more of an go you. an appetite to go after you. yeah, sorry. well, yeah, i'm not sorry. well, that's brilliant message. that's a brilliant message. before we go, you just tell before we go, can you just tell people can they people where can they find information tour information about your tour and where they you? so my where can they see you? so my instagram,-tiktok,- where can they see you? so my instagram,-tiktok, i'm- £3“ phix.7 so my instagram, tiktok, i'm going instagram, my tiktok, i'm going to instagram, my tiktok, i'm going helemeehehhh— instagram, my tiktok, i'm going to announcing properly, to be announcing it properly, ehhehhhy— to be announcing it properly, officially on— to be announcing it properly, officially on sale friday. yeah hhh— officially on sale friday. yeah hhh hhe— officially on sale friday. yeah and it's known— officially on sale friday. yeah and it's known that's- officially on sale friday. yeah and it's known that's how- and it's known that's how they've known on instagram and one. yeah well that's fantastic. rory williams, thanks so much for joining me. thank you for having thank you having me. thank you. thank you . so coming up on free speech

hehheh— . so coming up on free speech nation, professor— so coming up on free speech nation, professor joe phoenix ehh— nation, professor joe phoenix ehhh he— nation, professor joe phoenix ehhh he heee— nation, professorjoe phoenix will be here to— nation, professorjoe phoenix will be here to discuss a report for will be here to discuss a report her he— will be here to discuss a report for the women's— will be here to discuss a report for the women's rights network, ehheh— for the women's rights network, which outlines— for the women's rights network, which outlines the— for the women's rights network, which outlines the shocking eheeh— which outlines the shocking exhehh eh— which outlines the shocking extent of sexual— which outlines the shocking extent of sexual assaults in our heehhhehe. — extent of sexual assaults in our heeehhehe. he— extent of sexual assaults in our hospitals. do not— extent of sexual assaults in our hospitals. do not go- extent of sexual assaults in our hospitals. jhi 9hi

forward from this. join us here on forward from this. join us here eh eh— forward from this. join us here eh eh heee.— forward from this. join us here on gb news. the— forward from this. join us here on gb news. the people's channel hehhehh— on gb news. the people's channel hhhehh .— on gb news. the people's channel britain . welcome— on gb news. the people's channel britain . welcome back to the britain. welcome back to the ehee— britain. welcome back to the eheh . — britain. welcome back to the eheh . hhh— britain. welcome back to the show . and later- britain. welcome back to the show . and later on- britain. welcome back to the show. “h: “ britain. welcome back to the show . ' hi“ “ ”hihi; show. and later on in free speech nation , i'm going to be speech nation, i'm going to be turning agony uncle with the help of my wonderful panel, scott capurro and leo kearse. we're going help deal we're going to help you deal with dilemmas. with your unfiltered dilemmas. so if you're sitting at home worrying about kind of worrying about any kind of problem, just ask me. email me at gb views at gb news, .uk. and we will do our to best answer your issues. now now, a new report by the women's rights network has revealed the truly shocking numbers of rapes and sexual assaults which are happening in our hospital bars, where would surely expect happening in our hospital bars, where to would surely expect happening in our hospital bars, where to feelild surely expect happening in our hospital bars, where to feel safe. rely expect happening in our hospital bars, where to feel safe. accordingt people to feel safe. according to the report, more than 6500

rapes and sexual assaults, some against children under 13, have been committed in hospitals in england and wales over nearly four years. only 265 people. that's a mere 4.1% are known to have been charged for these offences. professor jo phoenix , offences. professorjo phoenix, author of the report and she joins me now to discuss it. author of the report and she joins me now to discuss it . jo, joins me now to discuss it. jo, thanks so much forjoining us today. perhaps if you could talk us through what is the most significant and shocking element of this report. just the sheer scale of it, the sheer scale. i think one of the strange- . i think one of the strange things eheeh— think one of the strange things eheeh hhhe— think one of the strange things about this is— think one of the strange things about this is it's— think one of the strange things about this is it's not the first hhme— about this is it's not the first hhme hhhe— about this is it's not the first time this sort— about this is it's not the first time this sort of— about this is it's not the first time this sort of stuff has been eeeeheh. — time this sort of stuff has been reported. _thingsl time this sort of stuff has been. reported. -things that reported. there were things that were reported in november of last year and then previously about two years ago. lancashire one of the lancashire newspapers, also reported , did newspapers, also reported, did this, but nobody seemed to pay attention. one of the different things about this report, however, is it comes off the back of the freedom of information requests that we made to 43 police forces . as it made to 43 police forces. as it happens, only 35 responded. right. so northern ireland

didn't respond . scotland didn't didn't respond. scotland didn't respond . is that legal, though? respond. is that legal, though? are they not meant to with heehem — are they not meant to with heehem eh— are they not meant to with freedom of information requests? yes freedom of information requests? hee — freedom of information requests? hee heeeh— freedom of information requests? hee heeeh mh— freedom of information requests? yes legal not to- freedom of information requests? yes 9 . yes legal not to respond. it is legal, not to respond. it is legal, not to respond. it is legal not respond. so the two legal not to respond. so the two responses can be we don't hold the so we can't give to the data, so we can't give it to you. or get that data, which you. or to get that data, which would be prohibitively costly. i see. yeah, but you wanted to hhh— see. yeah, but you wanted to hhhh hhhe— see. yeah, but you wanted to find this data- yeah, but you wanted to find this data because you were hhh— find this data because you were aware that this- find this data because you were aware that this kind of information- aware that this kind of information has not been out here— information has not been out heee-eeehe— information has not been out there?.we've just- information has not been out there? we've just had no way there? no, we've just had no way to there? no, we've just had no way he hemhhhy— there? no, we've just had no way he hemhhy hhe— there? no, we've just had no way to quantify the extent of the eeehhem. — to quantify the extent of the l eeehhem. —se to quantify the extent of the - problem. -so the problem. no, none at all. so the crime survey for england and wales asks victims where rapes take place and one of those categories is somewhere else, either in a perpetrator's home or, you know, a victim's home. and a whole series of others. but that's somewhere else. category accounts for around 19% of rapes reported to the crime survey of england and wales. that's somewhere else isn't broken down yet . we know that broken down yet. we know that there's sexual violence that

takes place in hospitals. so this was an attempt to, if you like, get under the bonnet of that and find out what is the shape size of the problem. shape and size of the problem. now, i find it quite odd, just as a criminologist of 26 years now , i find it quite odd that now, i find it quite odd that the police police don't have a marker for on any of the data that they collect. that would indicate hospitals because as we said in that report, hospitals aren't somewhere else. hospitals aren't somewhere else. hospitals are a very specific environment where there's often intimate care of one variety or another . care of one variety or another. and it's also where we are often in as the report title is , are in as the report title is, are most vulnerable. well, quite so for predatory opportunists. it's the place, you know, ehvheeehy— it's the place, you know, obviously that's there's an eeeehehhhy— obviously that's there's an opportunity there. but also this eeeeeheh— opportunity there. but also this was recorded or- opportunity there. but also this was recorded or the information hhh— was recorded or the information hheh yee— was recorded or the information hheh yee heehh— was recorded or the information that you found was from the eeeheh— that you found was from the eeeheh eh— that you found was from the period of the- that you found was from the period of the pandemic. right hheee-e— period of the pandemic. right now, there's issues with that. i mean, you mentioned your mean, you mentioned in your ehhhe—hheh- mean, you mentioned in your article -that, you| article for the mail that, you knew.— article for the mail that, you heee-eeehe - know, of course, people are eeehe— know, of course, people are eeehe-.— know, of course, people are wearing-. that's. know, of course, people are. wearing-. that'slgood know, of course, people are- wearing-. that'slgood way wearing masks. that's a good way to wearing masks. that's a good way he hhhe— wearing masks. that's a good way he hhhe yeee— wearing masks. that's a good way to hide your identity. yes but at

to hide your identity. yes but eh-hhme.— to hide your identity. yes but eh-hhme. yee- to hide your identity. yes but at time, you would at the same time, you would eheeh— expect during a pandemic there to.heightened- expect during a pandemic there to heightened security in the to be heightened security in the heehhhehe. — to be heightened security in the hospitals. -there l to be heightened security in the. hospitals. -there was hospitals. indeed. and there was no hospitals. indeed. and there was he-h— hospitals. indeed. and there was no i think question no i mean, i think the question about, predatory men about, you know, predatory men coming is we coming into hospital is we presume men, course, presume it's men, of course, because, know, sexual because, you know, 99% of sexual violence by men. violence is committed by men. but we presume i presume that that's actually a very low number of people actually coming into the hospitals like that. the stories that have come out either on twitter people who either on twitter or people who have directly as a have emailed me directly as a result of the publication of the report have stories of report have been stories of junior doctors, physio , junior doctors, physio, therapists, health care assistants . it's basically assistants. it's basically breaching committing sexual violence . so i think that idea violence. so i think that idea that the sexual offender is somewhere out there, you know , somewhere out there, you know, this predatory individual , this predatory individual, actually, what this report may be indicating is that the sexual predator is in here and isn't that the case so often with sexual assaults, cases of sexual assaults, it's people that people know or who are residing nearby. erg absolutely. now, there's else that's there's something else that's really about this really important about this report. the other thing that we

didn't for in retrospect didn't ask for in retrospect we maybe have, but i'd like maybe should have, but i'd like to and ask it . is to go back and ask for it. is the the victims , the the sex of the victims, the actual location in hospitals and the sex of the perpetrators ? the sex of the perpetrators? right now, funnily enough , being right now, funnily enough, being able to ask that question , i able to ask that question, i would never have been able to do it. i don't mean to go back to the open university, but i would never have been able to that never have been able to do that at open university, because at the open university, because even asking question like that even asking a question like that would have gone would have had to have gone through the ethics committee and it have stuck there . it could have got stuck there. it might be worth talking to eeehe— it might be worth talking to eeeehe eheeh— it might be worth talking to people about or- it might be worth talking to people about or just explaining ehh— people about or just explaining eheh—yee- people about or just explaining eheh—yee eh- people about or just explaining what-you at youri what happened to you at your eeehehee— what happened to you at your experience .the- what happened to you at your experience the open experience at the open hhheeehhy. — experience at the open university. lived university. oh yes. i've lived it university. oh yes. i've lived hh hee— university. oh yes. i've lived hh hee ee— university. oh yes. i've lived it for so long now. i assume everybody knows i worked the everybody knows i worked at the open university for quite a while . i hold gender critical while. i hold gender critical views. i wanted to ask about the competing rights of trans gender prisoners and women in prison . prisoners and women in prison. i've done, you know, 26 years of sexual violence and crimes against women. so i wanted to ask about that whole question . ask about that whole question.

and i had been basically side silenced by my colleagues. i was silent after i got cancelled at essex university. motty i then after the reindorf report, which was a report into what happened to me at essex, said that cancelling academics is unlawful and then after the maya forstater ruling , which gave us forstater ruling, which gave us protected gender critical rights , i launched the open university gender critical research network and my life descended into what can only be described as just a continuum of hell . so there was continuum of hell. so there was petition lines that were signed, open letters that were put forward. my direct colleagues were asking for us to be discriminated for against, the university to disaffiliate the research network simply because and this is where we come back to the question with the report. yes that research network, its mission was to ask where, why, when , how and to what effect sex

when, how and to what effect sex matters. people will be really eheeheh— matters. people will be really shocked because - people will be really shocked because you also got a lot shocked because you also got a heh eh— shocked because you also got a lot of harassment- shocked because you also got a lot of harassment and abuse. and it lot of harassment and abuse. and hh eee— lot of harassment and abuse. and hh veh— lot of harassment and abuse. and hh very yee— lot of harassment and abuse. and it was very you know, we've we've discussed - it was very you know, we've we've discussed this before and people— we've discussed this before and eeeehe ehh— we've discussed this before and eeeehe ehhh he— we've discussed this before and people will be shocked that an eeehemhe— people will be shocked that an eeehemhe eh— people will be shocked that an academic of such- people will be shocked that an academic of such standing academic of such high standing ehe— academic of such high standing ehelehmhhy— academic of such high standing who simply asking the who is simply asking the heeehhehe— who is simply asking the questions academic who is simply asking the. questions-academic i questions that an academic i mean criminologist. mean, you're a criminologist. hhhe— mean, you're a criminologist. hhhelyeee— mean, you're a criminologist. thislyour heh. — mean, you're a criminologist. this your job. right. this is yourjob. right. but heeeeee— this is yourjob. right. but because sensitivity because of the sensitivity eheeh— because of the sensitivity around that around this particular area that you around this particular area that yee eheehh— around this particular area that yee eheehh he— around this particular area that you should be demonised and meeeheeeh— you should be demonised and monstered. yeah.- you should be demonised and monstered. yeah. as a means to eeehehh— monstered. yeah. as a means to eeehehh hhe— monstered. yeah. as a means to prevent the facts- monstered. yeah. as a means to prevent the facts coming out. heeh. — prevent the facts coming out. heeh. eeehe— prevent the facts coming out. yeah. well, quite.- prevent the facts coming out. yeah. well, quite. ' “h: “ yeah. well, quite. and even in the reaction to the report. interesting only you know on twitter, you know, if you take twitter, you know, if you take twitter to mean anything on twitter to mean anything on twitter there have been several attempts to brand this piece of research transphobic , which is research transphobic, which is just crazy in my mind because what we're actually talking about is, you know, sexual violence in hospitals is. but because one of the calls to action on is to actually rethink the suspension of nxb , in other the suspension of nxb, in other words, to reintroduce single sex wards . and one of the other wards. and one of the other calls to action is to actually get the information from the

police about whether it's female victims or male perpetrators. but this is very important, is it but this is very important, is hh heeeeee— but this is very important, is it because last- but this is very important, is it because last year there was an it because last year there was he ehhemhheh— it because last year there was an attempted sexual assault at a heeehheh— an attempted sexual assault at a heeehheh hh— an attempted sexual assault at a hospital in london- an attempted sexual assault at a hospital in london and the heme— hospital in london and the eehhee eee— hospital in london and the police were called . the police police were called. the police hemeh— police were called. the police hemeh eh— police were called. the police hemeh eh ehh— police were called. the police turned up and said to the memehe— turned up and said to the members of- turned up and said to the members of staff, well, we need to members of staff, well, we need he hhveehhhehe— members of staff, well, we need to investigate this. - members of staff, well, we need to investigate this. and the a...— to investigate this. and the aah-no.- to investigate this. and the staff not possible staff said it's not possible heeeeee— staff said it's not possible because that because there's no men on that eeeh— because there's no men on that eeeh-hehh— because there's no men on that ward -full well- because there's no men on that ward -full well that. ward knowing full well that here— ward knowing full well that hhhe-e— ward knowing full well that there a biological male who there was a biological male who hhehhhheh— there was a biological male who identified -the. identified as female on the hhh— identified as female on the eeeh. se— identified as female on the ward. so and- identified as female on the ward. so and that that means hheee— ward. so and that that means here he— ward. so and that that means there are serious- ward. so and that that means there are serious stakes here. here— there are serious stakes here. here he— there are serious stakes here. there are serious,- there are serious stakes here. there are serious, serious. there are serious, serious stakes. and it isn't just what's happening in hospitals and the degree to which, for lack of better words, gender identity, ideology , albie is underpinning ideology, albie is underpinning how hospitals are approaching this issue. and i'll just kind of sideways for a second here. part of the report was looking at the policies that nhs foundation trusts us hospitals use the care standards, quality commission news and the push behind all of those policies is to create sexual safety . arnie to create sexual safety. arnie right. and they talk about

sexual safety incidences. that is the first time in my life i have ever heard sexual violence referred to as sexual safety. and part of that is around, you know , ensuring that gender know, ensuring that gender identity is respected. if you read these policies, they quite literally and i hate to use the word, but they erase sexual violence. now i don't know if i have a second more, but if i have a second more, but if i have one more second. the other thing that in the reaction to the report that has come to light is that the police forces who did answer the foi didn't take some police forces, didn't take some police forces, didn't take it seriously . now i'm just take it seriously. now i'm just going to mention one derbyshire shire police force . if you look shire police force. if you look on the table that we provide in the report, they were the second highest for rapes and sexual assaults with just over a thousand right now when the report landed and it attracted so much media attention, derbyshire police force contacted . one and they also

contacted. one and they also made a public statement saying that when they did the foi all they did was, in effect a fuzzy word search for the word hospital on any sexual violence case. so they justified in one statement it that they made they justified the fact that those numbers were so high because it could have occurred on something like a road called hospital road right now at that time , when right now at that time, when i discovered that, i thought, well, this is ludicrous because i'm sure there aren't that many hospital roads in the derbyshire police force area. but they've gone back. they've relooked at their own data and the numbers come in much lower. there has been, you know, a request to change the data. we're not going to because that report is an historical report. but what does that tell you? that there wasn't hhh— that tell you? that there wasn't that diligence - that tell you? that there wasn't that diligence about- pmih.7 that there wasn't that diligence about such phix.7 that there wasn't that diligence about such a serious subject? i mean, serious subject? quite. i mean, hheh-e— serious subject? quite. i mean, that's-disturbing. i that's very, very disturbing. hhh— that's very, very disturbing. l hhhe—when well, it's very disturbing when you in light of the casey you put it in light of the casey report. and, you know, the question of institutional misogyny police forces,

misogyny within police forces, it's serious problem. misogyny within police forces, it's a serious problem. misogyny within police forces, it's a really; problem. misogyny within police forces, it's a really important well it's a really important report. and , you know, i it report. and, you know, i hope it heee— report. and, you know, i hope it heee ehee— report. and, you know, i hope it does raise.awareness- ”3332 and, you know, i hope it does raise awareness that does raise the awareness that heehe— does raise the awareness that eeehe-eheeh— does raise the awareness that needs-raised as- does raise the awareness that needs raised as result. needs to be raised as a result. jo needs to be raised as a result. j0_much. needs to be raised as a result.| he—meeh hee jo phoenix, thanks so much for them;— jo phoenix, thanks so much for hehhhhh-hhehh- jo phoenix, thanks so much for joining-thank you. jo phoenix, thanks so much for joining thank you . joining us today. thank you. ather— joining us today. thank you. hhhee hhe— joining us today. thank you. after the break- joining us today. thank you. after the break on free speech hehheh— after the break on free speech hehheh ehee— after the break on free speech nation, actor james dreyfus will join nation, actor james dreyfus will the me— nation, actor james dreyfus will the me he— nation, actor james dreyfus will join me to discuss- nation, actor james dreyfus will join me to discuss the life of hhe— join me to discuss the life of the brilliant- join me to discuss the life of the brilliant comedian and entertainer- the brilliant comedian and entertainer barry humphries, who very— entertainer barry humphries, who very ehhy— entertainer barry humphries, who very eehhy eheeeh— entertainer barry humphries, who very sadly passed away yeeherhey. — very sadly passed away yesterday. see you shortly .

welcome back to free speech hehheh— welcome back to free speech hehheh vhhh— welcome back to free speech nation with me- welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle . nation with me andrew doyle. hhere— nation with me andrew doyle. hhere veere— nation with me andrew doyle. there were some- nation with me andrew doyle. there were some very sad news yeeherhey— there were some very sad news yeeherhey vheh— there were some very sad news yesterday when the brilliant heehrehheh— yesterday when the brilliant australian entertainer barry hemhhrhee— australian entertainer barry humphries died at the age of 89. hemhhrhee— humphries died at the age of 89. humphries.course- humphries died at the age of 89. humphries.course ,- humphries died at the age of 89. humphries course , is best humphries of course, is best hhevh— humphries of course, is best hhevh her— humphries of course, is best known for his- humphries of course, is best known for his creation. dame hhhe— known for his creation. dame hhhe hverehe— known for his creation. dame edna everage who chat edna everage, who hosted chat ehee— edna everage, who hosted chat eheve—hhme- edna everage, who hosted chat shows,-films ,. edna everage, who hosted chati shows,-films , wrote shows, appeared in films, wrote eeverh— shows, appeared in films, wrote several-an officeri several books, made an officer of several books, made an officer eh hhe— several books, made an officer eh hhe erher— several books, made an officer of the order of- several books, made an officer of the order of australia in heee. — of the order of australia in heee. harry— of the order of australia in 1982. barry humphries was heheereh— 1982. barry humphries was honoured with- 1982. barry humphries was honoured with a cbe for services to entertainment- honoured with a cbe for services to entertainment in- honoured with a cbe for services to entertainment in two thousand

and seven. let's- to entertainment in two thousand and seven. let's take a look at hhm— and seven. let's take a look at hhm hh— and seven. let's take a look at hhm hh hehee— and seven. let's take a look at him in action . - and seven. let's take a look at him in action . 43. ”hi; “9 him in action. you're looking wonderful. you're him in action. 4ix. ”hi; “9 : you're ageless . wonderful. you're ageless. well, i'm trying to be ageless. i haven't. i've had a little work done, but . have you? not work done, but. have you? not quite as much as some. the erg . quite as much as some. the erg. no, don't look at me with the seb gorka. keep your eyes back . seb gorka. keep your eyes back. hee— seb gorka. keep your eyes back. new hhe— seb gorka. keep your eyes back. new hhe hhhe— seb gorka. keep your eyes back. now the thing is,- seb gorka. keep your eyes back. now the thing is, you- . keep your eyes back. now the thing is, you are still recognisable. - now the thing is, you are still recognisable. j: recognisable. that's what. i and to discuss barry humphries and his wonderful comic creations , his wonderful comic creations, i'm joined by the actor james dreyfus. good evening, james. hhehhe— dreyfus. good evening, james. hhehhe her— dreyfus. good evening, james. thanks for joining- dreyfus. good evening, james. thanks forjoining us- j”hip good evening, james. thanks for joining us tonight. hehe— thanks for joining us tonight. hehhe hh — thanks for joining us tonight. hehhe hh .— thanks for joining us tonight. hello hi , andrew. 3”hi; pmix.7 hello hi, andrew. how are you? i'm very good. and hello hi, andrew. how are you? i'm very good . and you,- hello hi, andrew. ”h3i; pmix.7 mip 9: and you, james, i'm very good. and you, james, vou— i'm very good. and you, james, yee yee— i'm very good. and you, james, yee yee eehehhy— i'm very good. and you, james, you you actually had- mip 9: and you, james, you you actually had the honour of you you actually had the honour eh verhhhh— you you actually had the honour of working with- you you actually had the honour of working with barry humphries , is of working with barry humphries . he hhh— of working with barry humphries . he hheh rhhhh— of working with barry humphries . he hheh rhhhh e— of working with barry humphries , is that right? yes. yes. that is , is that right? yes. yes. that he rhehh. — , is that right? yes. yes. that he rhehh. h— , is that right? yes. yes. that is right. i mean,- , is that right? yes. yes. that is right. i mean, i- , is that right.7 yes. yes. that is right. " if" . is right. i mean, i can't say i know him and was a friend, but i spent a week in a room with barry humphries, dame edna everage, and les patterson and madge allsop. so we're seven

full days of watching him create and improvise and talk about his favourite guests because of course the joy of barry. we all know about his massive intellect and we all know about his artistic talents, but what you don't know, perhaps is the joy he took in his guests in interaction often. yeah, but that's interaction often. yeah, but that-s one— interaction often. yeah, but that's one of— interaction often. yeah, but that's one of the- f g" " yeah, but that's one of the amazing things about— that's one of the amazing things about him — that's one of the amazing things about mm is— that's one of the amazing things about him is he— that's one of the amazing things about him is he was so spontaneously funny. i mean, you put spontaneously funny. i mean, you put mm — spontaneously funny. i mean, you put mm in— spontaneously funny. i mean, you poo him in on— spontaneously funny. i mean, you put him in an interview situation— put him in an interview situation or— put him in an interview situation or with people he own-o— situation or with people he didn't know.— situation or with people he didn't know. he— situation or with people he didn't know. he could just bring it didn't know. he could just bring io-ho— didn't know. he could just bring io-ho-hoo- didn't know. he could just bring it-he-had that. it alive. just he just had that tho— it alive. just he just had that tho-of— it alive. just he just had that the-of mo— it alive. just he just had that the of his tongue. it was the tip of his tongue. it was amazing— the tip of his tongue. it was amazing-well,- the tip of his tongue. it was amazing bulli“ the tip of his tongue. it was- amazing-well, well, well. amazing skill. well, well, well. if you if you let me know when i've a minute left, i'll i've got a minute left, i'll read. i'll end this interview with just read something with just to read something quickly michael palin's quickly out from michael palin's diary. allowed. diary. if i'm allowed. yeah. which tell you a whole lot which will tell you a whole lot about him . but for example, about him. but for example, jeffrey archer who was because you have to enter this world eagerly, don't you.7 you you have to enter this world eagerly, don't you? you have to play eagerly, don't you? you have to play along. oh, dame edna and jeffrey archer was a joy to barry because he not only did he enter the world, he went way

over the top. and actually to give he was remarkably fond of jeffrey archer because jeffrey archer could take the most merciless ribbing and think that was the that was the joy. i mean, there's that wonderful quote of him when jeffrey archer is telling a story and it's not a very interesting story. and dame edna sat back and goes, you could work that up into a nice little anecdote , wrote jeffrey , little anecdote, wrote jeffrey, which which kind of said it all, which which kind of said it all, which is utterly brilliant. i mean, the thing about dame which is utterly brilliant. i- mean, the thing about dame edna in particular— mean, the thing about dame edna ta oatttoutat to— mean, the thing about dame edna in particular is that— mean, the thing about dame edna in particular is that the act was so subversive, like going tatt— was so subversive, like going back many,— was so subversive, like going back many, many decades. it's atuayo— back many, many decades. it's atuayo toot— back many, many decades. it's atuayo toot a— back many, many decades. it's always been a really sort of edgy— always been a really sort of otgy oomotto— always been a really sort of edgy comedic act. but he was totug— edgy comedic act. but he was totua tuto— edgy comedic act. but he was doing this into— edgy comedic act. but he was doing this into his 90 seconds aut— doing this into his 90 seconds ant to— doing this into his 90 seconds ant no na— doing this into his 90 seconds and he was set— doing this into his 90 seconds and he was set to— doing this into his 90 seconds and he was set to tour again nont— and he was set to tour again next yoan — and he was set to tour again next yoan just— and he was set to tour again next year. just astonishing. yest— next year. just astonishing. too-nas— next year. just astonishing. yes,.was.yes.- next year. just astonishing. yes,.was.yes. i- next year. just astonishing. yes, was “tit; next year. just astonishing.- yes,.was.yes. i mean, it was yes, he was. yes. i mean, it was extraordinary. is, extraordinary. the trouble is, it was the great thing about him was that actually it's something that the test of time. that withstood the test of time. it was ageless . yes. because of it was ageless. yes. because of his wit , because of his mean

his wit, because of his mean mean . and everyone uses the word mean. and everyone uses the word genius now. and it's garbage most of the time . i mean, but most of the time. i mean, but this was a true garbage . this this was a true garbage. this was a true genius. this was a true garbage. this was a true genius . and woe was a true genius. and woe betide you if you didn't play along and you didn't enter into the spirit of it. if you tried to be funnier than him, you were dead. if you if you were an interviewer, you could see the fear in people's eyes . sometimes fear in people's eyes. sometimes you could see the fear not so much with parkinson because parkinson knew him very well, but still had to go a very but they still had to go a very delicate course . and woe betide delicate course. and woe betide the guest didn't who the guest that didn't know who he sometimes even when he was. and sometimes even when nann— he was. and sometimes even when nanny nunpnnoo— he was. and sometimes even when barry humphries was— and sometimes even when barry humphries was being tntontouot— barry humphries was being interviewed as— barry humphries was being interviewed as barry humphries, barry humphries was being interviereallys barry humphries, barry humphries was being intervie really funny' humphries, barry humphries was being intervie really funny .humphries, barry humphries was being intervie really funny . you phries, barry humphries was being intervie really funny . you know, he was really funny. you know, unen— he was really funny. you know, unon no— he was really funny. you know, when he made— he was really funny. you know, when he made that joke about tnttttn— when he made that joke about phillip schofield_ when he made that joke about phillip schofield out, phillip schofield coming out, but phillip schofield coming out, tut-nas— phillip schofield coming out, but was addressing to but he was addressing it to the otnon—naon-t. i but he was addressing it to the other—wasn't. in| other presenter who wasn't. in tact,— other presenter who wasn't. in fact,-schofield, - fact, phillip schofield, and poopto— fact, phillip schofield, and poopto-tt- fact, phillip schofield, and poopto-tt. - fact, phillip schofield, and people-it. that. fact, phillip schofield, and. people-it . that was fact, phillip schofield, and- people-it . that was the people fell for it. that was the genius him. you didn't genius of him. if you didn't know who he was, you'd think, who's that? that rather who's that? who's that rather senile , distracted man who senile, distracted man who doesn't understand . but you can doesn't understand. but you can see in eyes . and those of see it in his eyes. and those of us who've grown him . you us who've grown up with him. you know, used to sort of know, my parents used to sort of

keep him a secret rather like father christmas, because i was never sure that he actually never sure that he was actually a man . and to and then when a man. and to and then when i slowly realised he was a man, you used to force prime ministers. edward heath to kiss him, you know , when you come in him, you know, when you come in and i remember thinking, oh my god, you know, the man's just kissed a man on television . and kissed a man on television. and it was extraordinarily groundbreaking. i mean, it really was . and the fact that, really was. and the fact that, you— really was. and the fact that, you know, — really was. and the fact that, you know, no — really was. and the fact that, you know, he was— "cant and the fact that, you know, he was lauded by noyatty— you know, he was lauded by noyatty .— you know, he was lauded by noyatty , no— you know, he was lauded by royalty , he could make jokes royalty, he could make jokes uttn— royalty, he could make jokes nttn noyatty— royalty, he could make jokes with royalty and— royalty, he could make jokes with royalty and the royal box ant— with royalty and the royal box ant tnat— with royalty and the royal box and that kind _ with royalty and the royal box and that kind of— with royalty and the royal box and that kind of thing. and yet he and that kind of thing. and yet no na— and that kind of thing. and yet no uto— and that kind of thing. and yet no ttto .— and that kind of thing. and yet he was like i say,— and that kind of thing. and yet he was like i say, so subversive. - he was like i say, so subversive. that's a very unuuat— subversive. that's a very unusual ability . subversive. that's a very- unusual ability . i mean, i can't unusual ability. i mean, i can't think i was talking about this last night. i can't think of anyone else on the planet who could have got away with that moment in the royal box and mean credit to charles and camilla. i mean, you could tell they had no idea where they might have been told something was going to happen. but he was the only person and he what it was five words, five words. and he

brought the house down. yeah. i mean, that tells you a lot about the talent of barry humphries. absolutely wonderful. well, james, i would love- clint : well, james, i would love you to read tnto— james, i would love you to read tnto excerpt— james, i would love you to read this excerpt michael palin. this excerpt from michael palin. if this excerpt from michael palin. tt—to. — this excerpt from michael palin. tt—to. ton-o- this excerpt from michael palin.| if_to. now's your if you would like to. now's your canto-n — if you would like to. now's your canto-n can— if you would like to. now's your canto-n can .— if you would like to. now's your chance. can i do— if you would like to. now's your chance. can i do it— if you would like to. now's your chance. can i do it very tutottyt — chance. can i do it very quickly? yes,- chance. can i do it very quickly? “tit; ctzt chance. can i do it very quickly? 4:1: ctzt chance. can i do it very- quickly? yes, please do . is this quickly? yes, please do. is this a minute? this is during the interval of a show of his and his manager was overhearing two people show people talking about the show and one of the wife said to the thing, was the accusing thing, um, one was the accusing , the other of sighing. i wasn't sighing. yes you were. you were sitting there sighing all through then through it. the producer then went humphries in the went to barry humphries in the interval and told him story interval and told him this story and he couldn't believe his ears when edna's when halfway through edna's monologue a packed 1500 monologue to a packed 1500 strong house, edna told of how she couldn't take norm to the theatre because he'd just sit there and sigh and eventually became very combative . became very combative. afterwards, barry said he'd supped afterwards, barry said he'd slipped it in because of his enjoyment of the effect it would have on just two people. well, as barry put it, it would make for them a truly uncanny night in the theatre. just an absolute

consummate performer. brilliant . james consummate performer. brilliant .tanoa unuua,— consummate performer. brilliant . james dreyfus, thanks- consummate performer. brilliant . james dreyfus, thanks so- f brilliant . james dreyfus, thanks so much for . james dreyfus, thanks so much to totntnt— . james dreyfus, thanks so much to totntnt no— . james dreyfus, thanks so much for joining me tonight. really forjoining me tonight. really atonotato— forjoining me tonight. really atonotato t.— forjoining me tonight. really appreciate it. always a pleasure . utt— appreciate it. always a pleasure . ntt you— appreciate it. always a pleasure . ott you over— appreciate it. always a pleasure . did you ever get— appreciate it. always a pleasure . did you ever get to see dame ttna— . did you ever get to see dame ttna tvonatot— . did you ever get to see dame edna everage? no.— . did you ever get to see dame edna everage? no. no, i didn't. so edna everage? no. no, i didn't. so .— edna everage? no. no, i didn't. so . ttt— edna everage? no. no, i didn't. so . ttt a— edna everage? no. no, i didn't. so i did a couple— edna everage? no. no, i didn't. so i did a couple of years ago. ant— so i did a couple of years ago. ant tt— so i did a couple of years ago. ant tt ao— so i did a couple of years ago. and it was honestly at the tattattun— and it was honestly at the palladium was— and it was honestly at the palladium was one of the tunntoot— palladium was one of the funniest shows- palladium was one of the funniest shows i've ever seen. ant— funniest shows i've ever seen. antloouttn-t— funniest shows i've ever seen. and couldn't grasp this. and i couldn't quite grasp this. no— and i couldn't quite grasp this. tnto—tn— and i couldn't quite grasp this. tnto—tn nto- and i couldn't quite grasp this.| this—in his-80s. this person was in his late 80s. to— this person was in his late 80s. tt-o-non— this person was in his late 80s. tt-o-non-ono- this person was in his late 80s. it's-how-one of. it's like, how can you one of tno— it's like, how can you one of the-powerful- it's like, how can you one of the powerful things i've the most powerful things i've ever seen on on— the most powerful things i've ever seen on on stage, really. ant— ever seen on on stage, really. ant .— ever seen on on stage, really. ant . an— ever seen on on stage, really. ant . ttnn — ever seen on on stage, really. and i saw him in— ever seen on on stage, really. and i saw him in san- ever seen on on stage, really. and i saw him in san francisco and was the and the audience was on the edge, edge chairs and edge, edge of their chairs and anything wanted to to anything he wanted to say to them, could away with. so them, he could get away with. so he have just come and he could have just come out and done garbage. but done a bunch of garbage. but every was so beautifully every joke was so beautifully scripted. saying, every joke was so beautifully scyourd. saying, every joke was so beautifully scyour comedian saying, every joke was so beautifully scyour comedian actuallyyaying, every joke was so beautifully scyour comedian actually two g, if your comedian actually two everything so succinct everything was so succinct and so in that way so so limited. and in that way so strong. when it hit its it strong. when it hit its mark, it was great. so the was just great. so i saw the oton— was just great. so i saw the onon. .— was just great. so i saw the onon. t-no— was just great. so i saw the show. i-he was- gflzua so i saw the show. i he was playing les show. i saw he was playing les tattonoon— show. i saw he was playing les tattonoon-ot— show. i saw he was playing les patterson _of - showi patterson for half of the show ant— patterson for half of the show ant tnon — patterson for half of the show and then dame— patterson for half of the show and then dame edna for the other natt— and then dame edna for the other natt-onon. — and then dame edna for the other natt-onon. ant— and then dame edna for the other half show. and these two half of the show. and these two onanaotono— half of the show. and these two characters-really- half of the show. and these two characters really be characters couldn't really be. non—nut more different, could they? but he more different, could they? buti no—tnnattt he somehow managed to inhabit non.— he somehow managed to inhabit tton-onty— he somehow managed to inhabit them. _only that,- he somehow managed to inhabit them. only that, when he them. and not only that, when he onontano— them. and not only that, when he was spontane albie— them. and not only that, when he was spontane albie talking to poooto— was spontane albie talking to people characters, people as those characters, he ooutt— could answer as those characters. _ could answer as those.

characters. _this could answer as those- characters.-this is an characters. yeah. and this is an tnonotttto— incredible skill. he sang in onanaoton— incredible skill. he sang in character-saw- incredible skill. he sang in character-saw dame character when i saw him do dame ttna. — character when i saw him do dame ttna. -ptano— character when i saw him do dame edna. _piano player.- edna. there's a piano player. yeah. he perched on the edge yeah. and he perched on the edge of the piano and just kicked up his started his heels and just started singing going it singing the what's going on? it was making was hilarious, hilarious, making stuff up, changing lyrics to famous songs , whatever he wanted famous songs, whatever he wanted and never really caring about causing offence. no, not at all. and a way it's like and i mean, in a way it's like people up draghi people so worked up about draghi acts children get into acts and could children get into acts and could children get into a show? should they be a drag show? should they be allowed? just allowed? i mean, this act just appealed to every age group. yeah like james said, he didn't know he was kid whether know when he was a kid whether this or a woman. i did this was a man or a woman. i did think it was a woman.— this was a man or a woman. i did think it was a woman. i- think it was a woman. i thought nano— think it was a woman. i thought nannonao-— think it was a woman. i thought nanonao— tuot- think it was a woman. i thought dame _was just a- dame edna was was just a i tnoutnt— dame edna was was just a i tnoutnt-nnat- dame edna was was just a i thought what australian thought that's what australian women-believe. . thought that's what australian women believe. l women were still believe. it's a woman. do you? yeah.- women were still believe. l jtzzt 7 yeah. thanks, woman. do you? yeah. thanks, too.— woman. do you? yeah. thanks, too. typtoat— woman. do you? yeah. thanks, too. typtoat too— woman. do you? yeah. thanks, leo. typical leo kearse.- jtzzt 7 yeah. thanks, leo. typical leo kearse. well, toot,— leo. typical leo kearse. well, toot, tnat— leo. typical leo kearse. well, look, that .the _ leo. typical leo kearse. well, look, that-the .of- leo. typical leo kearse. well, look, that the of our look, that is the end of our tnot— look, that is the end of our first - honestly, i look, that is the end of our. first-honestly, there first hour. but honestly, there is-morelcome- first hour. but honestly, there- is-morelcome between is so much more to come between ant— is so much more to come between ant 9:00.— is so much more to come between now and 9:00. we're— is so much more to come between now and 9:00. we're going to be going— now and 9:00. we're going to be tong-oun— now and 9:00. we're going to be going our wonderful going back to our wonderful otutto— going back to our wonderful studio audience— going back to our wonderful studio audience for some tuoottono. — studio audience for some. questions. _some questions. we've got some tuoottono— questions. we've got some. tuoottono—tn questions that have come in from you-nono— questions that have come in from youlnono na— questions that have come in from you-home via email.- questions that have come in from you home via email. and we're you at home via email. and we're going— you at home via email. and we're totnt-totnt— you at home via email. and we're going doing unfiltered going to be doing our unfiltered tttonnao— going to be doing our unfiltered dilemmas-going- going to be doing our unfiltered dilemmas going to dilemmas where i'm going to one— dilemmas where i'm going to solve-problems. - dilemmas where i'm going to solve problems. believe solve all your problems. believe you no— solve all your problems. believe you no .— solve all your problems. believe you no --now_ solve all your problems. believe you me .-now-time- solve all your problems. believe you me . now time for you me. but now it's time for a tutot— you me. but now it's time for a aunt-nou— you me. but now it's time for a quick-you ano— you me. but now it's time for a

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a sound and vibration for up to ten seconds. however, users on some networks, including three, did not. there's also been reports that some have not been able to make or receive calls since that test. deputy prime minister oliver dowden says the alert could save people's lives in the future. is the case that this has been developed with the national cyber security centre, which forms part of gchq. there will be a very strict c cc ci there will be a very strict procedures in will be a very strict procedures tn otaoo— will be a very strict procedures tn ptaoo ton— will be a very strict procedures in place for its— will be a very strict procedures in place for its authorisation ant— in place for its authorisation ant tt— in place for its authorisation ant tt nttt— in place for its authorisation and it will only— in place for its authorisation and it will only be used in a ottuatton— and it will only be used in a situation where— and it will only be used in a situation where your viewers tnoo— situation where your viewers tnoo — situation where your viewers tnoo tn— situation where your viewers lives are in danger. i'm determined— lives are in danger. i'm determined that there is a very nttn— determined that there is a very nttn tan— determined that there is a very nttn tan ton— determined that there is a very high bar for the— determined that there is a very high bar for the usage of this . high bar for the usage of this. no— high bar for the usage of this. the tune— high bar for the usage of this. the prime minister— high bar for the usage of this. the prime minister has- high bar for the usage of this. the prime minister has hailed the brave efforts of the uk's armed forces after they helped british diplomats and their families escape fighting in sudan. families escape fighting in sudan . they carried out sudan. they carried out a complex mission in the capital, khartoum, alongside other allies. hundreds of civilians have died in the violent conflict between the sudanese army and a rival paramilitary group . foreign secretary james

group. foreign secretary james cleverly says the government is continuing to ensure the safety of british nationals who remain in the country . we have taken in the country. we have taken the in the country. we have taken too toototon— in the country. we have taken the decision to— " ccj. we have taken the decision to temporarily otooo — the decision to temporarily otooo tno — the decision to temporarily close the embassy and to notooato— close the embassy and to relocate our— close the embassy and to relocate our embassy staff if tnat— relocate our embassy staff if tnat tnoo— relocate our embassy staff if tnat tnoo uo— relocate our embassy staff if that gives us a— relocate our embassy staff if that gives us a the best opponuntty— that gives us a the best opportunity to project our ttptonatto— opportunity to project our diplomatic support back into sutan— diplomatic support back into sutan .— diplomatic support back into sutan . nut— diplomatic support back into sudan . but we— diplomatic support back into sudan. but we remain diplomatic support back into sudan . but we remain absolutely sudan. but we remain absolutely oonntttot— sudan. but we remain absolutely oonntttot to— sudan. but we remain absolutely committed to support british nattonato— committed to support british nationals in— committed to support british nationals in sudan. we will do so nationals in sudan. we will do oo tn— nationals in sudan. we will do oo tn otooo— nationals in sudan. we will do so in close coordination with our international— so in close coordination with our international partners. but the our international partners. but too toot— our international partners. but too toot tntnt— our international partners. but the best thing that we can do to outpat— the best thing that we can do to outpon nntton— the best thing that we can do to support british nationals and tntoot— support british nationals and indeed everyone— support british nationals and indeed everyone in sudan is nuonot— indeed everyone in sudan is ouonot tno— indeed everyone in sudan is pushed the generals involved in this conflict— pushed the generals involved in this conflict to— pushed the generals involved in this conflict to bring it to an ont— this conflict to bring it to an ont. ant— this conflict to bring it to an end. and that— this conflict to bring it to an end. and that will remain the pnonty— end. and that will remain the ononty ot— end. and that will remain the ononty ot ou— end. and that will remain the priority of our diplomatic focus in priority of our diplomatic focus tn tno— priority of our diplomatic focus tn to noon— priority of our diplomatic focus in the region . _ priority of our diplomatic focus in the region . 'j ' in the region. diane abbott has been suspended as a labour mp pending an investigation after she claimed that jewish people are not subject to racism . in an are not subject to racism. in an article for the observer newspaper , the former shadow newspaper, the former shadow health secretary said jewish people experienced prejudice

like irish or red headed people , but not racism. she has since withdrawn the remarks and apologised for any offence caused . however, the labour caused. however, the labour party has called the comments deeply offensive and wrong . the deeply offensive and wrong. the home secretary says it's crucial the government has the power to deport migrants without it being blocked by the european court of human rights. in the sunday telegraph, suella braverman said for britain to be truly sovereign , it needs to be able sovereign, it needs to be able to decide who enters our territory. this comes after 11 small boats carrying nearly 500 people crossed the english channel yesterday . an add to new channel yesterday. an add to new pictures of prince louis have been published as he celebrates his fifth birthday today. he's been photographed being pushed in a wheelbarrow by his mum. louis is expected to accompany his siblings in the procession from westminster abbey during the king's coronation next month . we're on tv online the king's coronation next month .we're on tv online on dab+ radio and on tune to in you're

watching and listening to gb news. back now to free speech nafion news. back now to free speech nation . nation. welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle . nation with me andrew doyle. let's crack on with some tuoottono— let's crack on with some questions from - let's crack on with some questions from our brilliant na— questions from our brilliant viewers via email. the first tuootton— viewers via email. the first tuootton cano— viewers via email. the first question came in from spencer . question came in from spencer. soonoon— question came in from spencer. sponoon oayo — question came in from spencer. sponoon oayo to— question came in from spencer. spencer says, is elon musk ever going— spencer says, is elon musk ever totnt to— spencer says, is elon musk ever totnt to nato— spencer says, is elon musk ever totnt to nato tt— spencer says, is elon musk ever going to make it to— spencer says, is elon musk ever going to make it to mars? and of , tton— going to make it to mars? and of course , elon musk's company, course, elon musk's company, snaoox— course, elon musk's company, spacex designed— course, elon musk's company, spacex designed the most pononut— spacex designed the most powerful rocket ever . and then powerful rocket ever. and then it powerful rocket ever. and then tt tton— powerful rocket ever. and then tt tton up— powerful rocket ever. and then tt tton up a— powerful rocket ever. and then it blew up a few— powerful rocket ever. and then it blew up a few minutes after tato— it blew up a few minutes after tato ott— it blew up a few minutes after tato on. out— it blew up a few minutes after take off. but you— it blew up a few minutes after take off. but you know, to get a nootot— take off. but you know, to get a nootot un— take off. but you know, to get a rocket up there. _ take off. but you know, to get a rocket up there. yeah. leo, youo— rocket up there. yeah. leo, you got— rocket up there. yeah. leo, you got to— rocket up there. yeah. leo, you've got to give him some onottt— you've got to give him some onottt ton— you've got to give him some credit for that. _ you've got to give him some credit for that. yeah. 't: credit for that. yeah. and oonotntnt— credit for that. yeah. and something like a rocket. you don't just build the first one and it goes all the way to mars. you've got to, like, blow up quite lot rockets as and quite a lot of rockets as and they've been they've actually been atmosphere. yeah well musk has noon— atmosphere. yeah well musk has noon-tnat— atmosphere. yeah well musk has noon-tnat-to- been saying that this is aotuatty— been saying that this is actually lot actually a success. yeah a lot of actually a success. yeah a lot ot poopto— actually a success. yeah a lot of people - looking - actually a success. yeah a lot of people looking at of people are looking at tntnttnt— of people are looking at thinking well- of people are looking at thinking well that's what i've noon— thinking well that's what i've noon-about— thinking well that's what i've been-about my- thinking well that's what i've been about my career as been saying about my career as

not. — been saying about my career as well. _disagree. well. yeah, people disagree a lot. you the thing is, lot. you know, the thing is, noo— lot. you know, the thing is, too. no-o— you know, the thing is, he's. he's brainwashed so many poopto— he's. he's brainwashed so many poopto-nttn- he's. he's brainwashed so many people.-with. one- he's. he's brainwashed so many people. with. one of people. he works with. one of tno— people. he works with. one of the - scientists - people. he works with. one of the - scientists in - people. he works with. one of the scientists in the the women scientists in the otttoo— the women scientists in the. otttoo—nnt, office was interviewed on npr, nnton— office was interviewed on npr, nnton-nnc— office was interviewed on npr, which-bbc-us. i office was interviewed on npr,i which-bbc-us. and which is the bbc in the us. and ono—you— which is the bbc in the us. and ono—you tnon- which is the bbc in the us. and she _you know, this. she said, well, you know, this is she said, well, you know, this toouoooloo— she said, well, you know, this is success america like, is a success in america is like, no-naoto— is a success in america is like, no-naoto ot— is a success in america is like, no, waste of money. and no, it's a waste of money. and ono— no, it's a waste of money. and ono oatt— no, it's a waste of money. and ono oat-no— no, it's a waste of money. and she said,-we made- no, it's a waste of money. and she said, we made it past she said, no, if we made it past tno— she said, no, if we made it past the-pianm- she said, no, if we made it past the-platform, it's- the launching platform, it's tant— the launching platform, it's tang-can.- the launching platform, it'si icing-cake.-that, icing on the cake. after that, it icing on the cake. after that, tt—tton- icing on the cake. after that, tt—tton un- icing on the cake. after that, tt—tton up tnl it is because it blew up in nont— it is because it blew up in tnont ot— it is because it blew up in front of everybody. and i think tnat— front of everybody. and i think tnat tooto— front of everybody. and i think that looks disastrous. but it naot— that looks disastrous. but it naont-you- that looks disastrous. but it. naon-t-you-tt-o wasn't manned, you know, it's yeah,— wasn't manned, you know, it's yoan-a— wasn't manned, you know, it's yoan-a tnatoty. - wasn't manned, you know, it's. yeah,-a tragedy. woman yeah, it's not a tragedy. woman or yeah, it's not a tragedy. woman _ooony— yeah, it's not a tragedy. woman or-sorry, gender. she'si or woman, sorry, gender. she's so like being so offensive. it's like being a comedian and trying out new material. yeah, the first one isn't going to your, you isn't going to be your, you know, got to, know, closer. you've got to, like, it up. but the joke like, work it up. but the joke didn't cost $8 billion, though. that's thing. that's the that's the thing. that's the i mean, that way when mean, it feels that way when you're didn't you're writing. but it didn't you— you're writing. but it didn't you know— you're writing. but it didn't you know that's— you're writing. but it didn't you know that's-that. ”cl c g but it didn't you know that's that is you know that's the that is a ottntttoant— you know that's the that is a significant difference it's a lot significant difference it's a totlnonoy— significant difference it's a lot-money-but- significant difference it's a- lot-money-but-know significant difference it's a- lotlmoney-but-know he lot of money and but you know he onont— lot of money and but you know he onont nnat— lot of money and but you know he opont nnat to— lot of money and but you know he opont nnat to t— lot of money and but you know he spent what is it 44— lot of money and but you know he spent what is it 44 billion on tnttton— spent what is it 44 billion on tnttton-no— spent what is it 44 billion on twitter-he-neverl twitter which he could never nato—ttttti twitter which he could never. nato—tttnt. so make money out of. right. so otoatty— make money out of. right. so clearly he's you know, he's got money burn. that's why people money to burn. that's why people get money to burn. that's why people tot—noo— money to burn. that's why people tot—no-o-nonoy- money to burn. that's why people tot—no-o-nonoy to| get upset that he's got money to turn. —nonoy- get upset that he's got money to burn. _money for. burn. but he wants money for tnat— burn. but he wants money for tnat-tnat-o- burn. but he wants money for that-that's the- that blue tick. that's the tntnt. — that blue tick. that's the thing. yeah. _ that blue tick. that's the thing. yeah. �*" that blue tick. that's the- thing. yeah. what if he combined them and sent twitter to mars?

that be an interesting that would be an interesting way — that would be an interesting way _mool that would be an interesting. way. _nice. yeah. way. that would be nice. yeah. yeah ithink way. that would be nice. yeah. yeah i think this is a good tttnt— yeah i think this is a good tntnt, tnoutn— / i think this is a good thing, though, you know, because i thing, though, you know, because . tntnt— thing, though, you know, because . tntnt tuot— thing, though, you know, because i think just aspirational i think just the aspirational tuattty— quality of wanting to get to nano— quality of wanting to get to mano—atto- quality of wanting to get to. mars,_like takes mars, you know, it's like takes us mars, you know, it's like takes uo—ooo— mars, you know, it's like takes uo—ooo nnon- mars, you know, it's like takes- us_60s when kennedy us back to the 60s when kennedy was us back to the 60s when kennedy nao—totnt- us back to the 60s when kennedy nao—totnt to- us back to the 60s when kennedy nao—totnt to totl was saying, we're going to get to—ant- was saying, we're going to get. to—ant ooonony to the moon. yeah. and everyone atto— to the moon. yeah. and everyone like, not,— to the moon. yeah. and everyone was like, well, that's a waste of was like, well, that's a waste ot—onl of time. there's nothing on the noon—tno- of time. there's nothing on the moon._the fact. of time. there's nothing on thei moon._the fact that moon. but actually the fact that nunanttnt— moon. but actually the fact that humankind can— moon. but actually the fact that humankind can do— moon. but actually the fact that humankind can do this stuff, yoan— humankind can do this stuff, yoanlnoan— humankind can do this stuff, yeah, mean, inspiring yeah, i mean, the inspiring nae,— yeah, i mean, the inspiring ttono—to- yeah, i mean, the inspiring. there,_is nothing yeah, i mean, the inspiring. thethe_is nothing yeah, i mean, the inspiring. thethe-andlis nothing yeah, i mean, the inspiring. thethe-and there'srthing yeah, i mean, the inspiring- thethe-and there's nothing yeah, i mean, the inspiring- the mars.-and there's nothing yeah, i mean, the inspiring- the mars. and and there's nothing yeah, i mean, the inspiring- the mars. and also, 1ere's nothing yeah, i mean, the inspiring- themars. and also, mars nothing on mars. and also, mars looks nice and peaceful. i don't know why by why we'd want to ruin it by putting up there putting sending us up there really? they think they found some under ground- ”calf they think they found some under ground water outlet thing. — some under ground water outlet thing. realty?— some under ground water outlet thing. really? they did. thing. really? yes, they did. aliens.— thing. really? yes, they did.| aliens—well, aliens. you mean? no. well, maybe— aliens. you mean? no. well, maybe-some— aliens. you mean? no. well, maybe-some-butl aliens. you mean? no. well,- maybelsome-but they maybe at some point. but they found— maybe at some point. but they found-they— maybe at some point. but they found-they found- maybe at some point. but they found they found the found i think they found the equivalent— equivalent of louis schaefer, which—of- equivalent of louis schaefer,. which—of nothing. which is just a lake of nothing. t hey— which is just a lake of nothing. they—sort- which is just a lake of nothing. they—sort of- which is just a lake of nothing. they—sort of some| they found some sort of some sort— they found some sort of some sort of— they found some sort of some sort of damp— they found some sort of some sort or stomp .— they found some sort of some sort of damp . yeah. yes. for sort of damp. yeah. yes. for ooooto— sort of damp. yeah. yes. for people wro— sort of damp. yeah. yes. for people who don't know louis smatter— people who don't know louis schaefer, regular— people who don't know louis schaefer, regular this schaefer, regular on this shortst— schaefer, regular on this channel and— schaefer, regular on this channel and he maybe for too not most— channel and he maybe for too not most torgor— channel and he maybe for too not most torgor tt— channel and he maybe for too not much longer if he— channel and he maybe for too not much longer if he watches this. tot-s— much longer if he watches this. tots-or— much longer if he watches this. tots-or to— much longer if he watches this. let's-on to another- let's move on to another question another question let's move on to another questiin another question let's move on to another questiin also another question let's move on to another questiin also via other question let's move on to another questiin also via emailjuestion let's move on to another questiin also via email .|estion let's move on to another questiin also via email . thisrn came in also via email. this came in also via email. this came george. hello, george came from george. hello, george . george says, was morgan freeman right about black history so morgan history month? so morgan freeman, legendary actor. he

said that he felt it was reductive to celebrate his heritage only at a certain time. and he actually this is the quotation. this is from the sunday times. he said black history month is an insult. you're going to relegate my history to a month. and he also said didn't like the term said he didn't like the term african because he said he didn't like the term africeyou because he said he didn't like the term africeyou say because he said he didn't like the term africeyou say africa cause he said he didn't like the term africeyou say africa aste he said he didn't like the term africeyou say africa as if; he said he didn't like the term africeyou say africa as if it's said, you say africa as if it's a country when it's a continent like europe. i mean, he like europe. i mean, does he have a point that relegating it like europe. i mean, does he haae a point that relegating it like europe. i mean, does he haa month|t that relegating it like europe. i mean, does he haa month saying'elegating it like europe. i mean, does he haa month saying we're ting it like europe. i mean, does he haa month saying we're onlyt to a month saying we're only going black going to celebrate black history in then, well, in this month and then, well, everyone month. if everyone gets a month. if they're gays a they're lucky, the gays get a month. — they're lucky, the gays get a month. rt— they're lucky, the gays get a month. it takes— they're lucky, the gays get a month. it takes them that long to get— month. it takes them that long to get tto— month. it takes them that long to get the outfits— month. it takes them that long to get the outfits together. but it to get the outfits together. but tt—o- to get the outfits together. but tt—o morttrl to get the outfits together. but. tt—o month ts it takes some people a month is outs— it takes some people a month is outs-troo— it takes some people a month is quite-time. that's- it takes some people a month is quite time. that's every quite a long time. that's every toy.— quite a long time. that's every toy-_to- day. that's a lot. well, in amortoo— day. that's a lot. well, in america, it's— day. that's a lot. well, in america, it's february, it's america, it's february, so it's the— america, it's february, so it's tho—tomorr- america, it's february, so it's the _which that. the short month which that does _orywoy. seem insulting. but anyway, they gors— seem insulting. but anyway, they gore—trot,— seem insulting. but anyway, they gore—know, r- seem insulting. but anyway, they gave—know, i mean,. gave him a you know, i mean, i just— gave him a you know, i mean, i just enjoy— gave him a you know, i mean, i just enjoy rt.— gave him a you know, i mean, i just enjoy it. revel— gave him a you know, i mean, i just enjoy it. revel in it. and tton.— just enjoy it. revel in it. and tton. out— just enjoy it. revel in it. and tton. out why— just enjoy it. revel in it. and then. but why criticise at what pott— then. but why criticise at what port-to — then. but why criticise at what port-to moto- then. but why criticise at what point-he make is- then. but why criticise at what point he make is making point does he make is he making the point does he make is he making tho-trot— point does he make is he making the _that-know,- the point that you know, ttorrttty—otl identity politics sorts of encourage divide identity politics sorts of- encourage - divide ourselves encourage us to divide ourselves up ort— encourage us to divide ourselves up and soy,— encourage us to divide ourselves up and soo-trrts- encourage us to divide ourselves up and say, this time is up and say, well, this time is for up and say, well, this time is tor-ort— up and say, well, this time is for-and this— up and say, well, this time is for-and this-is- up and say, well, this time is for-and this-is for. for you and this time is for you.— for you and this time is for you. arro— for you and this time is for you. art-ort- for you and this time is for you. and-and i- for you and this time is for you. and and i do think you. and well, and i do think you-ro— you. and well, and i do think you right— you. and well, and i do think you're right, though. the word sogrogottorr— you're right, though. the word. sogrogottorr—otoy segregation might come into play wrou— segregation might come into play utter—trot.- when you say it like that. otvtotug— when you say it like that. dividing dividing, dividing. but i

dividing dividing, dividing. but r—ooooto- dividing dividing, dividing. butl '_people wortoo i also think that people wanted a i also think that people wanted o-rooogrrtttorr— a bit of recognition and it seems—to- a bit of recognition and iti seems—to-r a bit of recognition and it- seems_to-i don't seems celebratory to me. i don't know. — seems celebratory to me. i don't know. iknow— seems celebratory to me. i don't know. iknow the— seems celebratory to me. i don't know. iknow the gay- seems celebratory to me. i don't know. gear know. i know the gay month is like different month in like it's a different month in america so america than it is over here. so really, get two months. really, we get two months. yeah, we do. we get well, we really, we get two months. - yeah, we do. we get well, we get all yeah, we do. we get well, we get art-wors— yeah, we do. we get well, we get ott-uo-ro tusty— yeah, we do. we get well, we get all-we're lucky-it- all year if we're lucky. but it tt-s— all year if we're lucky. but it tt-s o— all year if we're lucky. but it tt-s o tot— all year if we're lucky. but it tt-s o tot ot— all year if we're lucky. but it it's a lot of work.— all year if we're lucky. but it it's a lot of work. i think, to put— it's a lot of work. i think, to out the— it's a lot of work. i think, to put the strategy— it's a lot of work. i think, to put the strategy together, to get people to recognise sorrottrtrrg. — get people to recognise something. think something. that's what i think it something. that's what i think tt-ts— something. that's what i think tt-ts tt-s— something. that's what i think it-is it's about- it is about is it's about soytrro— it is about is it's about soytrrg, toot,- it is about is it's about saying, look, the african amortoou— saying, look, the african american community, black american community, the black oomrrurrtty— american community, the black community,-still- american community, the black community, still miss, community, the us is still miss, rrtss—or- community, the us is still miss, rrtss—or over- miss, whether under or over misrepresented— miss, whether under or over misrepresented the miss, whether under or over misrepresented .the in misrepresented in the media, in art-tum.— misrepresented in the media, in art-tttrrlutstr— misrepresented in the media, in art film. wish that's what art and film. i wish that's what he art and film. i wish that's what rte—trout- art and film. i wish that's what he_about instead. art and film. i wish that's whati he_about instead of he was talking about instead of ttrts. — he was talking about instead of ttrts. -._ he was talking about instead of ttrts. -r was— he was talking about instead of this. _i was struggling. he was talking about instead of this. 33 g this. well, i was struggling to work objection work out what what his objection was. you think, lee? was. but what do you think, lee? well, think kind of well, i think it's kind of ttvtstvo. — well, i think it's kind of divisive. you— well, i think it's kind of divisive. you know, when you soy,— divisive. you know, when you soy-rootsto- divisive. you know, when you say, - people with - divisive. you know, when you say, people with this say, oh, this people with this stru— say, oh, this people with this sttrr ooutr— say, oh, this people with this skin colour they— say, oh, this people with this skin colour they have month skin colour they have this month andr— skin colour they have this month out—osl skin colour they have this month oryou—osl skin colour they have this month oryou trout—osl skin colour they have this month aryou know, white as skin colour they have this month aryou know, white people as skin colour they have this month aryou know, white people areis if you know, white people are going— if you know, white people are gotrg to— if you know, white people are gotrg to go— if you know, white people are going to go around slapping ttstory— going to go around slapping history books— going to go around slapping history books any , you history books out of any, you trou— history books out of any, you troy-rootsto-s- history books out of any, you know, people's hands. know, black people's hands. the rost— know, black people's hands. the rest-you.— know, black people's hands. the rest-you. out— know, black people's hands. the rest-year. but it- know, black people's hands. the rest-year. but it is- know, black people's hands. the rest year. but it is kind rest of the year. but it is kind of rest of the year. but it is kind ot-r— rest of the year. but it is kind ot-r trut— rest of the year. but it is kind ot-r ttut ot- rest of the year. but it is kind of-i kind of agree. of a divisive i kind of agree utt— of a divisive i kind of agree utttr mm.— of a divisive i kind of agree with him. and— of a divisive i kind of agree with him. and also african arrortoorr— with him. and also african american. mean, just say american. i mean, just say arrortoorr— american. i mean, just say american-like- american. i mean, just say american. like and also, american. it's like and also, you— american. it's like and also, you-.— american. it's like and also, you-, people- american. it's like and also, you , people aren't, you you know, people aren't, you trou— you know, people aren't, you know, racially— you know, people aren't, you know, racially siloed anymore. rt-s— know, racially siloed anymore. rt-s ms.— know, racially siloed anymore. it's 2023..but_ know, racially siloed anymore. it's 2023. .but you - know, racially siloed anymore. it's 2023. but you should it's 2023. so but you should rotor— it's 2023. so but you should rotor to— it's 2023. so but you should refer to people _ it's 2023. so but you should refer to people how they'd like to to—

refer to people how they'd like to be referred— refer to people how they'd like to be referred to. _ refer to people how they'd like to be referred to. �*" to be referred to. so if he toosr-t— to be referred to. so if he doesn't want to be called african american, wants be african american, wants to be called that's fine. if called black, that's fine. if someone be called someone else wants to be called african american, have african american, then you have to that to kind of respect that title and call them that. i want to be called okay that's called progressive. okay that's it. fair it. yeah. you lie. yeah. fair enough.— it. yeah. you lie. yeah. fair enough. italian— c / you lie. yeah. fair enough. italian really? yeah. yuo-ro— enough. italian really? yeah. we're italian— enough. italian really? yeah. we're italian american. technically— we're italian american. technically elon musk is an atrtoou— technically elon musk is an african american , so we all are. african american, so we all are. vort— african american, so we all are. tort .— african american, so we all are. tort . tto— african american, so we all are. yeah . the heritage— african american, so we all are. yeah . the heritage of— african american, so we all are. yeah . the heritage of the- african american, so we all are. yeah . the heritage of the human yeah. the heritage of the human race is africa . of course. of race is africa. of course. of tot-s— race is africa. of course. of course. let's move- race is africa. of course. of course. let's move on- f er? of course. of course. let's move on to t to? of course. of course. let's move on to the root— course. let's move on to the root ouosttorr.— course. let's move on to the next question. this is from rats.— next question. this is from rats. roto— next question. this is from jake. jake has— next question. this is from jake. jake has tweeted us. trunks— jake. jake has tweeted us. . thanks _jake. thanks for tweeting in, jake. ttts— thanks for tweeting in, jake. ttts-tuoot- thanks for tweeting in, jake. this tweet because this is a nice tweet because most— this is a nice tweet because most-tweets- this is a nice tweet because most-tweets i- this is a nice tweet because most tweets i get are most of the tweets i get are pretty— most of the tweets i get are pretty rusty. — most of the tweets i get are pretty nasty. but— most of the tweets i get are pretty nasty. but this one's outs—tto- pretty nasty. but this one's quite _the endi pretty nasty. but this one's. quite _the end for quite nice. is this the end for tortuo— quite nice. is this the end for diane abbott?— quite nice. is this the end for diane abbott? simple, straightforward i sort diane abbott? simple, strcan'tforward i sort diane abbott? simple, strcan't believe i sort diane abbott? simple, strcan't believe this i sort diane abbott? simple, strcan't believe this story. sort diane abbott? simple, strcan't believe this story. sot of can't believe this story. so tortuo— of can't believe this story. so diane abbott,— of can't believe this story. so diane abbott, who course, diane abbott, who of course, sue-s— diane abbott, who of course, sues-ooon— diane abbott, who of course, she's been stripped she's just been stripped of the totour— she's just been stripped of the labour_starmer,i she's just been stripped of the. labour—starmer, and labour whip by keir starmer, and this labour whip by keir starmer, and ttrts was— labour whip by keir starmer, and ttrts o— labour whip by keir starmer, and this was a letter— labour whip by keir starmer, and this was a letter she to this was a letter she wrote to tho— this was a letter she wrote to the observer— this was a letter she wrote to the observer newspaper , and now the observer newspaper, and now this the observer newspaper, and now tots-trots— the observer newspaper, and now this-broke today. _ this just broke today. and if you— this just broke today. and if you rotor-t— this just broke today. and if you haven't seen it, it is otsotutoty— you haven't seen it, it is absolutely astonishing. she's soytrg— absolutely astonishing. she's- soytug—suot saying that minority groups such as saying that minority groups such os-ooooto,— saying that minority groups such as-peopler gypsy,- saying that minority groups such as people, gypsy, roma as jewish people, gypsy, roma out— as jewish people, gypsy, roma and traveller,— as jewish people, gypsy, roma and traveller, people, that they troy— and traveller, people, that they troy tusso— and traveller, people, that they they faced levels— and traveller, people, that they they faced levels of prejudice, ooutvotout— they faced levels of prejudice, equivalent to _ they faced levels of prejudice, equivalent to those suffered by ooooto— equivalent to those suffered by wow! utt— equivalent to those suffered by wow! utttr rot— equivalent to those suffered by people with red hair rather than

. r— people with red hair rather than racism . i think— people with red hair rather than racism . i think jewish people racism. i think jewish people trove— racism. i think jewish people trove roost— racism. i think jewish people have faced a— racism. i think jewish people have faced a bit— racism. i think jewish people have faced a bit of racism in tho— have faced a bit of racism in the post.— have faced a bit of racism in the post. r— have faced a bit of racism in the past. i mean,— have faced a bit of racism in the past. i mean, you know, i'm not— the past. i mean, you know, i'm not o— the past. i mean, you know, i'm not a historian— the past. i mean, you know, i'm not a historian ,_ the past. i mean, you know, i'm not a historian , but— the past. i mean, you know, i'm not a historian , but i think not a historian, but i think tt-s— not a historian, but i think it's happened. - not a historian, but i think it's happened. �*ftr�*rzgc r: it's happened. well, yeah. and she said, know, one of the she said, you know, one of the reasons she was jewish reasons she gave was jewish people never made to sit in people were never made to sit in the bus. and i mean, the back of the bus. and i mean, she's jewish people she's right. jewish people had the but the train the whole train. but the train the whole train. ito: the train was taking them to a concentration camp. is concentration camp. so there is a bit discrimination . well, i a bit of discrimination. well, i should say in her— c r: er�*f. well, i should say in her defence, she's soytug— should say in her defence, she's soytug-o— should say in her defence, she's soytug-o trott- should say in her defence, she's saying a draft letter saying this was a draft letter on saying this was a draft letter or her— saying this was a draft letter on her computer. _ saying this was a draft letter on her computer. which on her computer. right. which stro— on her computer. right. which stro tton-t— on her computer. right. which she didn't mean— on her computer. right. which she didn't mean to submit to a rrottorrot— she didn't mean to submit to a national publication. ash; national publication. we've all toro— national publication. we've all tone that. — national publication. we've all done that. everyone is anti—semitic. in the first trott, — anti—semitic. in the first trott, tut— anti—semitic. in the first draft, but don't- c t. in the first draft, but don't you read don't you— draft, but don't you read don't you root— draft, but don't you read don't you root the— draft, but don't you read don't you read the letters before you sort— you read the letters before you sort trom— you read the letters before you send them in? _ you read the letters before you send them in? "j ' send them in? diane abbott, don't you even i think jeremy corbyn edited it for her and sent it off anyway. you think that's sent it off anyway. you think trot-s to — sent it off anyway. you think that's he was— sent it off anyway. you think that's he was leaning- c you think that's he was leaning over her stouttor— that's he was leaning over her shoulder with— that's he was leaning over her shoulder with his— that's he was leaning over her shoulder with his robe on. i mean, come on. - shoulder with his robe on. i mean, come on. " " mean, come on. this is. this is . you can't go back from this. well, know what? when she's well, you know what? when she's around-tortuo— well, you know what? when she's around-telling-how- around people telling her how grott— around people telling her how goat-ts— around people telling her how great-is-corbyn- great she is and corbyn is torturo— great she is and corbyn is telling fantastic she great she is and corbyn is telboth fantastic she great she is and corbyn is telboth in fantastic she great she is and corbyn is telboth in out ttastic she great she is and corbyn is telboth in outttasbedrhe great she is and corbyn is telboth in outttasbed for is, both in and out of bed for toootos— is, both in and out of bed for decades,-that- is, both in and out of bed for decades, that happens, when decades, when that happens, when that raptors— decades, when that happens, when that trooporrs .— decades, when that happens, when that happens , then— decades, when that happens, when that happens , then you believe that happens, then you believe trot—sturg-

that happens, then you believe that_saying.true| that what you're saying is true .—stro-s- that what you're saying is truej _sotrs torso . she doesn't think she's done oryttrtrrg— . she doesn't think she's done anything—about. anything wrong. what about and all anything wrong. what about and art—troy— anything wrong. what about and ott—ttoy angry- anything wrong. what about and ott—ttoy angry as- all that? aren't they angry as wort?— all that? aren't they angry as uotto-toos. - all that? aren't they angry as well?-does. - all that? aren't they angry as| well?-does. .did well? but she does. she did tssuo— well? but she does. she did issue an apology and actually it's too late. she always does. stro— it's too late. she always does. stro otuoys— it's too late. she always does. she always- i'm - it's too late. she always does. she always-i'm sorry,- c she always does. she always i'm sorry, my she always says, i'm sorry, my rrurrorts— she always says, i'm sorry, my numbers were wrong. i'm sorry. stro— numbers were wrong. i'm sorry. sto-tt— numbers were wrong. i'm sorry. stro-tt — numbers were wrong. i'm sorry. she-it was. well,- numbers were wrong. i'm sorry. she-it was. well, the. she said it was. well, the numbers a different numbers were that's a different thing. was thing. but she said that it was a draft letter she said that a draft letter and she said that she withdraws the she completely withdraws the statement made. ithink statement that she made. i think think glad did statement that she made. i think think-glad-did it.- think she's glad she did it. i turnt— think she's glad she did it. i ttrtrrt stro-s— think she's glad she did it. i think she's speaking to a tottrrtto— think she's speaking to a tottutto o— think she's speaking to a definite a block that voting definite a block in that voting group. — definite a block in that voting group. _sto-s- definite a block in that voting group. she's trying to group. i think she's trying to put— group. i think she's trying to out-out— group. i think she's trying to put-out there- group. i think she's trying to put out there and say to put herself out there and say to tott— put herself out there and say to tort-rootsto— put herself out there and say to tort-ooooto tu— put herself out there and say to left-people in this- put herself out there and say to left people in this country left wing people in this country who— left wing people in this country who voto— left wing people in this country who woto tor— left wing people in this country who vote for her— left wing people in this country who vote for her that, look, i ogroo— who vote for her that, look, i ogroo-you— who vote for her that, look, i ogroo-you-wo-rol agree with you that we're anti—semitic— agree with you that we're anti—semitic to core. . anti—semitic to the core. it's just— anti—semitic to the core. it's just-gaps— anti—semitic to the core. it's rust-gaps onu- anti—semitic to the core. it's just gaps and then just there's gaps and then there's yeah, this there's this. yeah, this is beyond keir starmer is beyond i think keir starmer is just absolutely delighted and relieved he's got an excuse relieved that he's got an excuse to get rid of her because i mean, she's clearly incompetent. she that she can't. it's not just that stro— she can't. it's not just that sto—rtgtt- she can't. it's not just that. she—right shoes she can't. it's not just that- she_right shoes in she can't put the right shoes in the right— she can't put the right shoes in the right feet. — she can't put the right shoes in the right feet. she— she can't put the right shoes in the right feet. she had mismatched- the right feet. she had mismatched shoes she had two mismatched shoes and she had two left mismatched shoes and she had two tett eheee— mismatched shoes and she had two left shoes-both _ mismatched shoes and she had two left shoes-both her— mismatched shoes and she had two left shoes both her feet , one left shoes on both her feet, one of left shoes on both her feet, one et wttet— left shoes on both her feet, one et wttet te— left shoes on both her feet, one et wttet te e— left shoes on both her feet, one of which is a right— left shoes on both her feet, one of which is a right foot. so i ten-t— of which is a right foot. so i ten-t knew— of which is a right foot. so i don't know if— of which is a right foot. so i don't know if she's just so left wtng— don't know if she's just so left wing thet— don't know if she's just so left wtng ttet ete— don't know if she's just so left wing that she can't bear to put a ttgtt— wing that she can't bear to put a ttgtt stee— wing that she can't bear to put a right shoe on. _ wing that she can't bear to put a right shoe on. but also, of course, you know, starmer, you

know, to the of know, wants to purge the left of the party. you know, the party. yeah. you know, absolutely. know, absolutely. and, you know, anyway get another anyway, let's get another question now from hannah. this is from who emailed in. is from hannah, who emailed in. can i should i be faking interviews now.7 this can i should i be faking interviews now? this is this was this michael schumacher interview. and of course , you interview. and of course, you know, he's still comatose since his accident in 2013. but the there was a fake interview in this german weekly newspaper. i'm not going to attempt to pronounce. oh well, dan wootton . i think that's about right. i didn't need to. i like the accent. that was that was that was gratuitous. i'm glad you could raise a hand on that, too. but the interview was fake. of ibeen_ but the interview was fake. of course, - been generated - course, it's been generated by artificial artificial intelligence. artificial artificial intthejence. artificial artificial intthe people behind ai are sort so the people behind ai are sort of that one day we're of saying that one day we're going be to have you going to be able to have you talk your dead relatives talk to your dead relatives because simulate what because we can simulate what they respond . is this a they would respond. is this a goodidea?i they would respond. is this a good idea? i think it's creepy. yeah, it's definitely creepy. ant— yeah, it's definitely creepy. ant-knew- yeah, it's definitely creepy. and know we've yeah, it's definitely creepy.- and - know we've seen and i mean, i know we've seen knew— and i mean, i know we've seen knew tuzzteeet— and i mean, i know we've seen know buzzfeed, for— and i mean, i know we've seen know buzzfeed, for example, tepteee— know buzzfeed, for example, replace journalists ai, replace ing journalists with al, but replace ing journalists with al, tut—teete- replace ing journalists with al, but—create lists. but that's to just create lists of but that's to just create lists et tttnee— but that's to just create lists of things that— but that's to just create lists of things that cats do or

whatever. — of things that cats do or whatever. .to- of things that cats do or- whatever. .to-better whatever. it's to make better teumettete— whatever. it's to make better journalists-yeah. journalists for them. yeah. tepteee— journalists for them. yeah. replace interviewee with al. replace the interviewee with al. teat, — replace the interviewee with al. teat, that-e— replace the interviewee with al. yeah, that's insane— replace the interviewee with al. yeah, that's insane . yeah. and yeah, that's insane. yeah. and then— yeah, that's insane. yeah. and then te— yeah, that's insane. yeah. and then to then— yeah, that's insane. yeah. and then to then put— yeah, that's insane. yeah. and then to then put it on the front .— then to then put it on the front cover, i mean, that's somebody whe— cover, i mean, that's somebody who teeny— cover, i mean, that's somebody who really maybe,— cover, i mean, that's somebody who really maybe, maybe they've got—they- who really maybe, maybe they've get—they tetl got a mortgage to pay. they had a got a mortgage to pay. they had e-ttet— got a mortgage to pay. they had e-ttet month.— got a mortgage to pay. they had a-that month.-wel got a mortgage to pay. they had a to that month. we got a mortgage to pay. they had a to sellhat month. we got a mortgage to pay. they had a to sell at month. we got a mortgage to pay. they had a to sell a lolioth. we got a mortgage to pay. they had a to sell a lot ofth. we got a mortgage to pay. they had a to sell a lot of copies. we got to sell a lot of copies. tet-e— got to sell a lot of copies. let's pretend— got to sell a lot of copies. let's pretend we're interviewing mteteet—. - let's pretend we're interviewing mteteet—. ot- let's pretend we're interviewingi michael_. oh wait, michael schumacher. oh wait, they— michael schumacher. oh wait, they-to — michael schumacher. oh wait, were they to this were they trying to pass this off interview or did off as a real interview or did they acknowledge it was ai? it says at the that says at the end that it's generated— says at the end that it's- generated-michael generated by ai, but michael setumeetet— generated by ai, but michael schumacher was— generated by ai, but michael schumacher was on the front, so you— schumacher was on the front, so you ten-t— schumacher was on the front, so you tent-eut— schumacher was on the front, so you don't-out until- schumacher was on the front, so you don't out until it's schumacher was on the front, so you dmost out until it's schumacher was on the front, so you dmost people until it's schumacher was on the front, so you dmost people don't t's schumacher was on the front, so you dmost people don't read the quite most people don't read the teet— quite most people don't read the teet paragraph— quite most people don't read the last paragraph they last paragraph anyway, so they ten-t— last paragraph anyway, so they tent-they- last paragraph anyway, so they don't-they think,- last paragraph anyway, so they don't they think, oh, don't know and they think, oh, tee-e— don't know and they think, oh, te-e-eeme-ttei he's fine, he's come out of his ent— he's fine, he's come out of his ant .— he's fine, he's come out of his coma and i think— he's fine, he's come out of his coma and i think he's doing okay. — coma and i think he's doing okay. -._ coma and i think he's doing okay. -. ten-t— coma and i think he's doing okay. .i don't think- coma and i think he's doing okay. act" . "

review. _thought, - and then gave it a mediocre review. thought, how dare review. and i thought, how dare yeee— review. and i thought, how dare yeee-ttth-t— review. and i thought, how dare you?-didn't-didn't- you? you didn't you didn't watch the—tethe- you? you didn't you didn't watch the—going te- you? you didn't you didn't watchi the—going to name the thing. i'm not going to name names. but anyway, we know who you names. but anyway, we know who yee eheehh-kw.— names. but anyway, we know who you mean. know. anyway, you mean. we know. anyway, eehhg— you mean. we know. anyway, eehhg uh— you mean. we know. anyway, eehhg up next,— you mean. we know. anyway, coming up next, the non—crime hete— coming up next, the non—crime hate-hey— coming up next, the non—crime hate-daylaction. hate incidents. day of action eehhe— coming up next month. family lawyer—will. coming up next month. familyi lawyer—will he lawyer sarah phillimore will be here— lawyer sarah phillimore will be here te— lawyer sarah phillimore will be here to discuss— lawyer sarah phillimore will be here to discuss and also here to discuss that. and also the—et- here to discuss that. and also the—eh the the ideological capture of the uk the ideological capture of the ht—yeu- the ideological capture of the the—yee h- the ideological capture of the the—yee hltewl uk police. see you in a few hehehte— uk police. see you in a few

news radio. on mark dolan tenteht— news radio. on mark dolan tehtght. h— news radio. on mark dolan tehtght. th hy— news radio. on mark dolan tonight. in my opinion, tettewhe— tonight. in my opinion, following the departure of hehhte— following the departure of dominic raab— following the departure of dominic raab from the government,- dominic raab from the government, will home secretary seeth— government, will home secretary suella braverman _ government, will home secretary suella braverman be next in my tate— suella braverman be next in my take e— suella braverman be next in my take e teh— suella braverman be next in my take a ten this— suella braverman be next in my take a ten this week joe biden wttt— take a ten this week joe biden will announce— take a ten this week joe biden will announce he— take a ten this week joe biden will announce he wants another teet— will announce he wants another teut teete— will announce he wants another teut yeee h— will announce he wants another four years in the— will announce he wants another four years in the white house. my four years in the white house. my eat-eh— four years in the white house. my reaction. plus,— four years in the white house. my reaction. plus, the editor of the tewteh— my reaction. plus, the editor of the jewish chronicle, jake wette— the jewish chronicle, jake wallis simons_ the jewish chronicle, jake wallis simons on diane abbott's hehttte— wallis simons on diane abbott's horrific comments— wallis simons on diane abbott's horrific comments downplaying anti—semitism. _ horrific comments downplaying anti—semitism. also legendary eheehh— anti—semitism. also legendary guardian journalist polly teyhhee— guardian journalist polly teyhhee .— guardian journalist polly toynbee , ex—tory mp harvey toynbee, ex—tory mp harvey teeter— toynbee, ex—tory mp harvey theetet .— toynbee, ex—tory mp harvey proctor , ann— toynbee, ex—tory mp harvey proctor , ann widdecombe. and proctor, ann widdecombe. and tomorrow's papers. we're live heh—

tomorrow's papers. we're live hem .— tomorrow's papers. we're live hem . hhe— from. nine may- - from. nine may. from. nine - may. the 20th from. nine- may. the 20th is from. nine— may. the 20th is the from. nine may. the 20th is the birthday of john stuart mill, the english philosopher and author of on liberty, which was published in 1859. and this year, may the 20th, will also be the non—crime hate incidents day of action as activists highlight police attempts to criminalise people for expressing opinions that don't contravene any laws . the don't contravene any laws. the reason for the link with john stuart mill that the stuart mill is that the philosopher was quoted in the final paragraphs the final paragraphs of the judgement versus judgement in miller versus college three years judgement in miller versus colle mill three years judgement in miller versus colle mill said three years judgement in miller versus collemill said if three years judgement in miller versus collemill said if allthree years judgement in miller versus collemill said if all mankind's ago. mill said if all mankind minus one were of one opinion and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person than he . if he had, the power would he. if he had, the power would be justified in silencing mankind . so joining me now to mankind. so joining me now to tell me more about the campaign, it's family lawyer sarah phillimore . thank you very much phillimore. thank you very much for joining me. phillimore. thank you very much for joining me . thank you. forjoining me. thank you. i think we need to talk through what's with these what's happened with these non—crime points.

non—crime hate incident points. a of people watching might a lot of people watching might not they are. when did not know what they are. when did they what are they? they start and what are they? well the genesis was the very tragic murder of stephen lawrence and the realisation that the met were institutionally racist . so lord institutionally racist. so lord macpherson wrote _ institutionally racist. so lord macpherson wrote a- cti so lord macpherson wrote a report eeehe,— macpherson wrote a report eeehe, wett— macpherson wrote a report saying, well, how are we going to saying, well, how are we going te teette— saying, well, how are we going to tackle this?— saying, well, how are we going to tackle this? and one of the key— to tackle this? and one of the hey etehehte— to tackle this? and one of the key elements of— to tackle this? and one of the key elements of how we would is to key elements of how we would is te ety— key elements of how we would is te say we— key elements of how we would is te say we have— key elements of how we would is to say we have to— key elements of how we would is to say we have to bring in eehethhe— to say we have to bring in something called perception heeet— something called perception beset-he- something called perception based _we can't. something called perception. based _we can't trust based recording. we can't trust the hehee— based recording. we can't trust the pettee te— based recording. we can't trust the police to listen to people when— the police to listen to people when they— the police to listen to people when they ety— the police to listen to people when they say they're victims of racism because _ when they say they're victims of racism because the— when they say they're victims of racism because the police are teetet— racism because the police are teetet .— racism because the police are racist . therefore,— racism because the police are racist . therefore, if anyone racist. therefore, if anyone eeheelthe— racist. therefore, if anyone comes the police and say, i comes to the police and say, i heteetve— comes to the police and say, i heteetve tee— comes to the police and say, i perceive i've been— comes to the police and say, i perceive i've been a victim of teeth— perceive i've been a victim of teetet hatred,— perceive i've been a victim of racial hatred, the— perceive i've been a victim of racial hatred, the police must eeehe— racial hatred, the police must eeehe tt— racial hatred, the police must record it and— racial hatred, the police must record it and take— racial hatred, the police must record it and take it seriously the— record it and take it seriously and investigate— record it and take it seriously and investigate it. now, that's all and investigate it. now, that's at wett— and investigate it. now, that's at wet the— and investigate it. now, that's all well and good, and i think there-e— all well and good, and i think there-e e— all well and good, and i think there-e e tet— all well and good, and i think there's a lot of— all well and good, and i think there's a lot of evidence that the— there's a lot of evidence that the heh— there's a lot of evidence that the whe — there's a lot of evidence that the men who did— there's a lot of evidence that the men who did murder stephen tewehee they— the men who did murder stephen lawrence, they had— the men who did murder stephen lawrence, they had recordings of them — lawrence, they had recordings of them sheathe— lawrence, they had recordings of them speaking very racist them speaking in very racist tem— them speaking in very racist terms, inciting— them speaking in very racist terms, inciting violence. i tetetty— terms, inciting violence. i totally accept— terms, inciting violence. i totally accept that it's of use totally accept that it's of use te the— totally accept that it's of use te the hehee— totally accept that it's of use to the police to— totally accept that it's of use to the police to gather information— to the police to gather information about things which are information about things which met— information about things which met eutte— information about things which are not quite yet— information about things which are not quite yet crimes or whteh— are not quite yet crimes or which could— are not quite yet crimes or which could escalate into crimes

. hut— which could escalate into crimes . hut the— which could escalate into crimes . but the problem— which could escalate into crimes . but the problem is that the hehee— . but the problem is that the pettee them— . but the problem is that the police then became captured by a eteyetthe— police then became captured by a prevailing orthodoxy, which is thet— prevailing orthodoxy, which is that eee— prevailing orthodoxy, which is that te— prevailing orthodoxy, which is that sex is doesn't matter now . that sex is doesn't matter now. whet— that sex is doesn't matter now. what mattere— that sex is doesn't matter now. what matters is— that sex is doesn't matter now. what matters is your gender ttemttty. — what matters is your gender ttemttty. se— what matters is your gender identity. so if— what matters is your gender identity. so if you're a man and you— identity. so if you're a man and yet thhh— identity. so if you're a man and you think, well,— identity. so if you're a man and you think, well, i— identity. so if you're a man and you think, well, i feel like a thet— you think, well, i feel like a woman that must be respected and you woman that must be respected and yet me— woman that must be respected and yet e— woman that must be respected and you are a woman. and the reason thet— you are a woman. and the reason that hemy-e— you are a woman. and the reason that harry's case— you are a woman. and the reason that harry's case then came to eeeh— that harry's case then came to eemt te— that harry's case then came to eemt te thet— that harry's case then came to court is that he— that harry's case then came to court is that he fell foul of the— court is that he fell foul of this orthodoxy. _ court is that he fell foul of this orthodoxy. why? : this orthodoxy. why? we should exetem— this orthodoxy. why? we should explain that. harry miller, former police officer who retweeted a poem that was deemed to transphobic and someone to be transphobic and someone contacted the police and said, i'm offended by poem. police i'm offended by the poem. police officer visited harry miller and said, to check your said, we need to check your thinking. there were 30 tweets said, we need to check your thitotal|. there were 30 tweets said, we need to check your thitotal that ere were 30 tweets said, we need to check your thitotal that was were 30 tweets said, we need to check your thitotal that was consideredeets said, we need to check your thitotal that was considered to; in total that was considered to be in total that was considered to he the— in total that was considered to he the heret— in total that was considered to be the worst that— in total that was considered to be the worst that i think it was a be the worst that i think it was t seme— be the worst that i think it was a tent tym— be the worst that i think it was a song lyric saying your breasts are a song lyric saying your breasts mete— a song lyric saying your breasts mete et— a song lyric saying your breasts are made of silicone , your are made of silicone, your veehe— are made of silicone, your vagina gees— are made of silicone, your vagina goes nowhere, and harry etth— vagina goes nowhere, and harry eett, wett— vagina goes nowhere, and harry was said, well, that's the one that-e— was said, well, that's the one that's closest _ was said, well, that's the one that's closest to— was said, well, that's the one that's closest to a— was said, well, that's the one that's closest to a criminal ettemee— that's closest to a criminal ettemee .— that's closest to a criminal ettemee . us— that's closest to a criminal offence . us the- that's closest to a criminal offence . us the others were offence. us the others were empty— offence. us the others were empty hemy— offence. us the others were simply harry going, huh? or tethe— simply harry going, huh? or askinglquestion- simply harry going, huh? or asking question . i mean, it asking a question. i mean, it when— asking a question. i mean, it whem tt— asking a question. i mean, it was when it was— asking a question. i mean, it was when it was when they were teet— was when it was when they were teet eut— was when it was when they were teet eut h— was when it was when they were read out in court,— was when it was when they were read out in court, was there read out in court, i was there in read out in court, i was there h-cemt— read out in court, i was there h-cemt h- read out in court, i was there in court in november in the high court in november

zom— in the high court in november 20th-iteughet— in the high court in november 2019.-laughed .— in the high court in november 2019. laughed . everybody 2019. we laughed. everybody laughed-— 2019. we laughed. everybody laughed. couldn't help laughed. they couldn't help themselves. _ laughed. they couldn't help themselves. c. themselves. what's unusual about it know, even when harry it is, you know, even when harry miller the miller was approached by the police officer and he asked, he said, has a crime been said, you know, has a crime been committed? and the police officer no. and then harry officer said, no. and then harry miller said, but why are you here know, that's what here then? you know, that's what i confused i think people are confused about are the police about is why are the police recording when there recording non—crime when there are address? are crimes to address? because going stuff going back to the good stuff about the macpherson report, there operation value in there is operation value in recording things that are not quite yet crimes because you do need to know when there might be a risk of escalation. the problem is, ” i" the problem is, however, if you etethet— problem is, however, if you etethet eh— problem is, however, if you slather on top— problem is, however, if you slather on top of that sensible memhe— slather on top of that sensible memhee .— slather on top of that sensible premise , there's— slather on top of that sensible premise , there's a prevailing premise, there's a prevailing etthetexy— premise, there's a prevailing orthodoxy that— premise, there's a prevailing orthodoxy that gender identity, tteetegy— orthodoxy that gender identity, tteetegy te— orthodoxy that gender identity, ideology is what— orthodoxy that gender identity, ideology is what we all believe in. ideology is what we all believe he. heh— ideology is what we all believe he. new my— ideology is what we all believe in. now any attempt to say that sex in. now any attempt to say that te— in. now any attempt to say that te teet— in. now any attempt to say that sex is real and— in. now any attempt to say that sex is real and it— in. now any attempt to say that sex is real and it matters is seen as outrageous bigotry , then seen as outrageous bigotry, then heehte— seen as outrageous bigotry, then people ete— seen as outrageous bigotry, then people are reported for utterly htteuteue— people are reported for utterly ridiculous things. t c ridiculous things. doesn't this ette— ridiculous things. doesn't this also mean that opportune ists might use this perception based system to get one over their enemies? oh, absolutely. somebody reported meyto somebody reported me to thttehhe— somebody reported me to wiltshire police. what they've teme— wiltshire police. what they've tehe te— wiltshire police. what they've tehe te they— wiltshire police. what they've done is they searched my tweets

for done is they searched my tweets her the— done is they searched my tweets her the meme— done is they searched my tweets for the words trans— done is they searched my tweets for the words trans and just tehettet— for the words trans and just teeettet the— for the words trans and just reported the lot, which is why my dog— reported the lot, which is why my dog eheee— reported the lot, which is why my dog emtet uh— reported the lot, which is why my dog ended up on a police teteheee— my dog ended up on a police database under— my dog ended up on a police database under a— my dog ended up on a police database under a heading of hehee— database under a heading of hatred against— database under a heading of hatred against transgender individuals— hatred against transgender individuals .— hatred against transgender individuals . so it's a picture individuals. so it's a picture of individuals. so it's a picture et my— individuals. so it's a picture et my dog-— individuals. so it's a picture et my dog- the— individuals. so it's a picture of my dog. and i'd said my dog wette— of my dog. and i'd said my dog weutt eett— of my dog. and i'd said my dog would call me— of my dog. and i'd said my dog would call me for— of my dog. and i'd said my dog would call me for a cheese. and thet— would call me for a cheese. and that wee— would call me for a cheese. and that tegget— would call me for a cheese. and that was logged by— would call me for a cheese. and that was logged by the police. yes that was logged by the police. hes .— that was logged by the police. hes . se— that was logged by the police. hes . se. ethy— that was logged by the police. yes . so, okay. so— that was logged by the police. yes . so, okay. so this- that was logged by the police. yes . so, okay. so this is- yes. so, okay. so this is clearly a waste of police time. let's be absolutely honest about that. now, when harry miller took them to court and appealed this won, and at the this won, and and then at the home office said to the college of policing , have to stop of policing, you have to stop teaching police to record non—crime . then the college of non—crime. then the college of policing basically ignored the home office, didn't they ? yes. home office, didn't they? yes. and i'm just trying to o” ti.t:i; t: t: " c stij’ yes. and i'm just trying to wrap my heee— and i'm just trying to wrap my heet ment— and i'm just trying to wrap my head around why.— and i'm just trying to wrap my head around why. and the only t— head around why. and the only reason i can think— head around why. and the only reason i can think of is this thet— reason i can think of is this that—mew,- reason i can think of is this. that—now, people's that for decades now, people's ttmemetet— that for decades now, people's financial ability— that for decades now, people's financial ability to earn money mt— financial ability to earn money emt thet— financial ability to earn money and their professional reputations- and their professional reputations have been tied up in this reputations have been tied up in the whete— reputations have been tied up in this whole industry around hate . they— this whole industry around hate crimes . they can't— this whole industry around hate crimes . they can't let it go. crimes. they can't let it go. he— crimes. they can't let it go. he the— crimes. they can't let it go. it's the water— crimes. they can't let it go. it's the water in— crimes. they can't let it go. it's the water in which they've they-we— it's the water in which they've swum. they've been for told

teeetee— swum. they've been for told decades that _ swum. they've been for told decades that women like me are empty— decades that women like me are empty tttete— decades that women like me are simply bigots and— decades that women like me are simply bigots and so they just teh-t— simply bigots and so they just teh-t eem— simply bigots and so they just don't seem to— simply bigots and so they just don't seem to be— simply bigots and so they just don't seem to be able to take on heart— don't seem to be able to take on heart the— don't seem to be able to take on board the fact— don't seem to be able to take on board the fact we— don't seem to be able to take on board the fact we now have a tem— board the fact we now have a eewt et— board the fact we now have a eewt et eheeh— board the fact we now have a court of appeal judgement that says— court of appeal judgement that eeye very— court of appeal judgement that eeye wety etetty— court of appeal judgement that says very clearly your guidance wee—whetl says very clearly your guidancei wee—whet te was unlawful. and then what do the eettete— was unlawful. and then what do the eettete et— was unlawful. and then what do the college of policing do? there-e— the college of policing do? there's sensible code of there's a very sensible code of whethe— there's a very sensible code of emettee ceme— there's a very sensible code of practise came out— there's a very sensible code of practise came out from parliament. _ practise came out from parliament. college of parliament. the college of policing— parliament. the college of. policing—their policing then produced their own eemewttettem— policing then produced their own consultation-new- consultation on their new twttemee,— consultation on their new guidance, which shows so clearly they— guidance, which shows so clearly they met— guidance, which shows so clearly they just haven't— guidance, which shows so clearly they just haven't got it. so we shewtt— they just haven't got it. so we should explain— they just haven't got it. so we should explain really the college of policing are the body that are set up to train police officers. they're like a quango, right? they're and they created this idea of non—crime hate incident. the themselves, didn't they? and put this through they? and they put this through this the home this didn't come from the home office this was creation of office this was a creation of the of policing . so why office this was a creation of th it of policing . so why office this was a creation of th it the of policing . so why office this was a creation of th it the casef policing . so why office this was a creation of th it the case thaticing . so why office this was a creation of th it the case that when so why office this was a creation of th it the case that when the why is it the case that when the home repeatedly saying home office is repeatedly saying to to change home office is repeatedly saying to policy to change home office is repeatedly saying to policy here to change home office is repeatedly saying to policy here and:o change home office is repeatedly saying to policy here and they'reje home office is repeatedly saying to policy here and they're not your policy here and they're not doing it, why doesn't the government abolish the college of that's of policing? well, that's a teetty— of policing? well, that's a really important- ti. "g? well, that's a really important question. and i wemte— really important question. and i wemte-teet— really important question. and i wonder just because they wonder if it's just because they hewem-t— wonder if it's just because they haven't-anything- wonder if it's just because they haven't anything replace haven't got anything to replace it haven't got anything to replace tt-meeh— haven't got anything to replace it-mean,-police- haven't got anything to replace it-mean,-police do. it with. i mean, the police do meet— it with. i mean, the police do meet-the- it with. i mean, the police do need _the college. it with. i mean, the police doi need _the college of need guidance. the college of policing— need guidance. the college of hettetmt te— need guidance. the college of policing is nothing to do with

eeemttehet— operational decisions, but it htetweee— operational decisions, but it produces guidance on what's very tmeettemt— produces guidance on what's very important eeeh— produces guidance on what's very important, such recording important, such as recording crimes-crimes.- important, such as recording crimes crimes. yes. so crimes and non crimes. yes. so it crimes and non crimes. yes. so tt wewtt— crimes and non crimes. yes. so tt wewtt te— crimes and non crimes. yes. so it would be quite— crimes and non crimes. yes. so it would be quite a— crimes and non crimes. yes. so it would be quite a big thing to temetteh— it would be quite a big thing to demolish because— it would be quite a big thing to demolish because that's the wettem— demolish because that's the problem, isn't— demolish because that's the problem, isn't it? it's been in ette— problem, isn't it? it's been in ettwltwtte— problem, isn't it? it's been in situ.quite some- problem, isn't it? it's been in situ quite some time now, situ for quite some time now, tut—teeth- but all of this is really a tweettem— but all of this is really a question of— but all of this is really a question of freedom of speech, teh-t— question of freedom of speech, tent-hemme— question of freedom of speech, isn't-because part- question of freedom of speech, isn't-because part of- question of freedom of speech, isn't i ” isn't it? because part of our freedom is that we can freedom of speech is that we can say things actually, freedom of speech is that we can sa'things things actually, freedom of speech is that we can sa'things thatthings actually, freedom of speech is that we can sa'things that cause actually, freedom of speech is that we can sa'things that cause people 1, or things that cause people to be that's be upset or offended. that's part part of it. you part that's part of it. you know, have freedom know, you can't have freedom of speech the elements speech without the bad elements of well so why i mean, of it as well. so why i mean, we've now we've a situation we've now we've got a situation when it's a police when it's like a police state where are sort of where the police are sort of saying, going to decide where the police are sort of sayin you going to decide where the police are sort of sayinyou can going to decide where the police are sort of sayinyou can andg to decide where the police are sort of sayinyou can and whatiecide where the police are sort of sayinyou can and what youie where the police are sort of sayinyou can and what you cannot what you can and what you cannot say. that should be say. surely that should be a priority for any government to address? iwould priority for any government to address? i would hope so, because— address? i would hope so, because-really. because it's really, really mtthtemtma— frightening. i kept checking wtth—they-tl with wiltshire what they'd teeettet — with wiltshire what they'd recorded other recorded and i found some other etth.— recorded and i found some other etwttlthtmt— recorded and i found some other stuff. .thing that— recorded and i found some other stuff. thing that me stuff. the thing that upset me the meet,— stuff. the thing that upset me the most, though— stuff. the thing that upset me the most, though , was the very the most, though, was the very teet— the most, though, was the very test these— the most, though, was the very last thinngound_ the most, though, was the very last thing found recorded last thing i found recorded etehet— last thing i found recorded against—police against me where a police ettteet— against me where a police officer-written - against me where a police officer-written .- against me where a police officer written . she is officer had written. she is emttttet— officer had written. she is entitled _views- officer had written. she is entitled _views , . officer had written. she is entitled views , however entitled to her views, however wemt— entitled to her views, however wtemt they— entitled to her views, however wtemt they ete— entitled to her views, however wtemt they .— entitled to her views, however wrong they are . wow. so i wrote wrong they are. wow. so i wrote mt— wrong they are. wow. so i wrote emt t— wrong they are. wow. so i wrote and i complained— wrong they are. wow. so i wrote and i complained .— wrong they are. wow. so i wrote and i complained . and. and and i complained. and. and teetemtty— and i complained. and. and apparently that— and i complained. and. and apparently that officer was sent on apparently that officer was sent en t teye— apparently that officer was sent on a days reflection course , on a days reflection course, etthewth— on a days reflection course, although wasn't— on a days reflection course, although wasn't punished . and i

although wasn't punished. and i sett— although wasn't punished. and i an, we— although wasn't punished. and i and, he yew— although wasn't punished. and i said, do you understand why this is said, do you understand why this he ee— said, do you understand why this is so, so alarming— said, do you understand why this is so, so alarming ?_ said, do you understand why this is so, so alarming ? and they is so, so alarming? and they wete— is so, so alarming? and they wtete hect— is so, so alarming? and they wrote back to— is so, so alarming? and they wrote back to me— is so, so alarming? and they wrote back to me going and eeyht— wrote back to me going and thyme, eh— wrote back to me going and thyme, eh, we— wrote back to me going and saying, oh, we understand you tttm-t— saying, oh, we understand you tttm-t hhe— saying, oh, we understand you didn't like the— saying, oh, we understand you didn't like the equality and twenty— didn't like the equality and diversity form. _ didn't like the equality and diversity form. i said, no, no, meltttm-t— diversity form. i said, no, no, meltttm-t-tt- diversity form. i said, no, no, no,ididn't-it was- no, i didn't like it. it was mhhteh— no, i didn't like it. it was rubbish-me- no, i didn't like it. it was rubbish.-me if. no, i didn't like it. it was. rubbish.-me if my rubbish. it asked me if my temtet— rubbish. it asked me if my temtet we— rubbish. it asked me if my gender was the _ rubbish. it asked me if my gender was the same as the sex. i gender was the same as the sex. t-eeetthet— gender was the same as the sex. t-eeettmet et— gender was the same as the sex. i-assigned at birth- gender was the same as the sex. i assigned at birth and i was assigned at birth and thee— i was assigned at birth and thee-me— i was assigned at birth and there-no option- i was assigned at birth and there no option to i there was no option to say, i teh-t— there was no option to say, i tent—t- there was no option to say, i teh-t—t hewei there was no option to say, ii teh-t—t hewe e don't have a gender, i have a eee-e— don't have a gender, i have a sex-a personality.- don't have a gender, i have a sex a personality. yes, sex and a personality. so yes, i tttm-t— sex and a personality. so yes, i tttm-t-thet.— sex and a personality. so yes, i didn't-that. but— sex and a personality. so yes, i didn't that. but what i didn't like that. but what i ttetttet— didn't like that. but what i disliked much,— didn't like that. but what i disliked much, much more was an httwtwet— disliked much, much more was an individual-officer- individual police officer thhtht— individual police officer. thinking—right individual police officer- thinking_right to thinking he had the right to eet— thinking he had the right to record against— thinking he had the right to record against the fact that record against me. the fact that i record against me. the fact that t-wtemt— record against me. the fact that t-wtemt wewe- record against me. the fact that i-wrong views. and- record against me. the fact that i wrong views. and just i had the wrong views. and just the— i had the wrong views. and just thte ttme— i had the wrong views. and just thte ttme t— i had the wrong views. and just this time i hadn't— i had the wrong views. and just this time i hadn't been quite mewthty— this time i hadn't been quite mewthty-te- this time i hadn't been quite mewghty-te he- this time i hadn't been quite naughty to be criminal. naughty enough to be criminal. but naughty enough to be criminal. hut-eheehh— naughty enough to be criminal. but clearly escalating. but i was clearly escalating. there— but i was clearly escalating. there wee— but i was clearly escalating. there were three— but i was clearly escalating. there were three inches recorded etehet— there were three inches recorded etemet me— there were three inches recorded egemet me h— there were three inches recorded against me in the— there were three inches recorded against me in the end, so that's eheeh— against me in the end, so that's clear evidence— against me in the end, so that's clear evidence of— against me in the end, so that's clear evidence of escalation, teh-t— clear evidence of escalation, teh-t tte— clear evidence of escalation, isn't it? doesn't— clear evidence of escalation, isn't it? doesn't the college of hettetht— isn't it? doesn't the college of policing teach _ isn't it? doesn't the college of policing teach police that policing teach the police that they— policing teach the police that they meet— policing teach the police that they meet te — policing teach the police that they need to be— policing teach the police that they need to be impartial hetttteetty— they need to be impartial politically and— they need to be impartial politically and ideologically? it's politically and ideologically? tt-e—eetel politically and ideologically?| tt-e—eete et it's part of the police code of ethtee— it's part of the police code of ethics.imean,_ it's part of the police code of ethics. mean, harry gives ethics. i mean, harry gives a hhtttemt— ethics. i mean, harry gives a brilliant example. if you're hettemt— brilliant example. if you're hettetma .— brilliant example. if you're hettetma , eey— brilliant example. if you're hettetma , eey, e— brilliant example. if you're policing , say, a march in policing, say, a march in wetthem— policing, say, a march in northern you've policing, say, a march in northern _you've to northern ireland, you've got to be northern ireland, you've got to he—whem- northern ireland, you've got to be _when you're. be very careful when you're wettht— be very careful when you're walking alongside you're walking alongside that you're not—marching- walking alongside that you're not—marching in. walking alongside that you're. not—marching in step. not seen to be marching in step. yest— not seen to be marching in step. yes,-absolutely_ not seen to be marching in step. yes, absolutely essential yes, it's absolutely essential if yes, it's absolutely essential tt the— yes, it's absolutely essential tt the hehee— yes, it's absolutely essential if the police aren't impartial, wett— if the police aren't impartial,

weth them— if the police aren't impartial, well, then we'll— if the police aren't impartial, well, then we'll what well, then we'll see what hehheme— well, then we'll see what hehheme .— well, then we'll see what happens. millions pounds are happens. millions of pounds are going— happens. millions of pounds are goinglbe_ happens. millions of pounds are going-be wasted— happens. millions of pounds are going be wasted on going to be wasted on investigating are investigating things which are just investigating things which are met-wett— investigating things which are just-well, we've- investigating things which are just-well, we've seenl investigating things which arei just-well, we've seen , just jokes. well, we've seen, for instance, the un, the united nafions for instance, the un, the united nations just today, nations tweeted just today, i think, or yesterday, this image and i think if we can show this image, i think this is quite striking . and this is an image striking. and this is an image about hate crime. it's not just about hate crime. it's not just a comment. no to hate. and there's an image that gun there's an image of that gun within loudspeaker. the within a loudspeaker. the implication often being that words are violence . they're words are violence. they're conflating words and violence that's coming from the united nations, not from activists. it seems police here have seems like the police here have fall line with that idea that fall in line with that idea that words can just as harmful as words can be just as harmful as violence. you think that's violence. do you think that's right? oh, yes. i mean, what's going— right? oh, yes. i mean, what's aemglte— right? oh, yes. i mean, what's gemtlte there-e— . 37 o" «thit? i mean, what's going is there's definitely a going on is there's definitely a tweheem— going on is there's definitely a european dimension. know, european dimension. you know, heehte— people have gone on conferences emt—thte- and training courses. this is tethttety— and training courses. this is tettmttety e— and training courses. this is definitely a campaign with a wtte— definitely a campaign with a wtte temtt— definitely a campaign with a wtte temtt .— definitely a campaign with a wide remit . but— definitely a campaign with a wide remit. but it's so disturbing.— wide remit. but it's so disturbing. this document that i the— disturbing. this document that i mean, the universal declaration of mean, the universal declaration et hemeh— mean, the universal declaration of human rights— mean, the universal declaration of human rights produced by the un of human rights produced by the an-a,_ of human rights produced by the an-a, tt-e— of human rights produced by the an-a, he very— of human rights produced by the un 19, it's very clear un article 19, it's very clear ehewt— un article 19, it's very clear ehewt the— un article 19, it's very clear about the importance of freedom of . about the importance of freedom et-. thet— about the importance of freedom of-. that tweet- about the importance of freedom of . that tweet bizarrely of speech. that tweet bizarrely references an _ of speech. that tweet bizarrely references an action plan from

20th.— references an action plan from 20th ee— references an action plan from 20th he yew— references an action plan from 2019. so you might say , well, 2019. so you might say, well, yew— 2019. so you might say, well, yew etteh— 2019. so you might say, well, your action plan— 2019. so you might say, well, your action plan is not really eehtewe— your action plan is not really achieve much— your action plan is not really achieve much in— your action plan is not really achieve much in four years. yes, het— achieve much in four years. yes, hwt tt— achieve much in four years. yes, hwt tt teehe— achieve much in four years. yes, hwt tt teehe tt— achieve much in four years. yes, but it keeps it keeps banging on eheeh— but it keeps it keeps banging on non, yew— but it keeps it keeps banging on about, you know,— but it keeps it keeps banging on about, you know, speech is very tmeettemt— about, you know, speech is very tmhettemt. we— about, you know, speech is very important. we protect. it important. we will protect. it teeem-t— important. we will protect. it doesn't—doesn't. important. we will protect. it. doesn't—doesn't give doesn't say how. it doesn't give any— doesn't say how. it doesn't give emy-et— doesn't say how. it doesn't give emy-et whem- doesn't say how. it doesn't givej any-of when-going any example of when it's going to any example of when it's going te-thte— any example of when it's going to this discriminatory to balance this discriminatory eheeeh— to balance this discriminatory eheeeh eht— to balance this discriminatory speech and its— to balance this discriminatory speech and its definition of hete— speech and its definition of hete eheeeh— speech and its definition of hate speech is— speech and its definition of hate speech is fantastically wtte— hate speech is fantastically wtte .— hate speech is fantastically wide . anything— hate speech is fantastically wide . anything that is wide. anything that is considered— wide. anything that is considered discriminatory etehet— considered discriminatory against anybody's claimed ttemttty— against anybody's claimed identity and— against anybody's claimed identity and they mean anything, yew— identity and they mean anything, yew ttemttty— identity and they mean anything, yew ttemttty te— identity and they mean anything, your identity is an— identity and they mean anything, your identity is an adult baby nappy— your identity is an adult baby mehhy weetet— your identity is an adult baby nappy wearer will be protected eht— nappy wearer will be protected and someone who— nappy wearer will be protected and someone who says, well, i teh-t— and someone who says, well, i teh-t eetwetty— and someone who says, well, i don't actually think that's very mee— don't actually think that's very eht— don't actually think that's very emt t— don't actually think that's very nice and i don't— don't actually think that's very nice and i don't really want you tethe— nice and i don't really want you teht thet— nice and i don't really want you teht met-me.- nice and i don't really want you doing that me. that will doing that around me. that will be doing that around me. that will he-eheeeh.— doing that around me. that will be speech. according to the be hate speech. according to the wt. — be hate speech. according to the wt. se— be hate speech. according to the wt. so the— be hate speech. according to the wt. so the te— be hate speech. according to the un. so this is a— be hate speech. according to the un. so this is a real- be hate speech. according to the un. so this is a real problem, isn't it? because you have isn't it? because when you have i view on this is that i mean, my view on this is that the should be the police should not be policing what say or policing what people say or think that's that's a step think that that's that's a step over authoritarianism. but over into authoritarianism. but if do that, over into authoritarianism. but if they do that, over into authoritarianism. but if they have) that, over into authoritarianism. but if they have t01at, over into authoritarianism. but if they have to do it then they would have to do it completely wouldn't completely impartially, wouldn't they? we've for they? because we've had, for instance, trans instance, an extreme trans activist that they were activist saying that they were building list of 50 building up a snuff list of 50 gender critical women that they wanted to murder. and that was

posted on twitter. yeah, well, that posted on twitter. yeah, well, thet ehewe— posted on twitter. yeah, well, that shows exactly— posted on twitter. yeah, well, that shows exactly the- : tzzt" yeah, well, that shows exactly the problem thet— that shows exactly the problem thet t— that shows exactly the problem thet t e— that shows exactly the problem that i was recorded by the hehee— that i was recorded by the hetteele— that i was recorded by the police a barrister posting police as a barrister posting hete— police as a barrister posting hete-tutt— police as a barrister posting hate-full name,- police as a barrister posting hate full name, my address, hate my full name, my address, my emeth— hate my full name, my address, my emett, my— hate my full name, my address, my email, my phone number. that eteetty— my email, my phone number. that eteetty hee— my email, my phone number. that eteetty hee e— my email, my phone number. that clearly has a chilling effect . clearly has a chilling effect. if clearly has a chilling effect. tt t— clearly has a chilling effect. if i-recorded_ clearly has a chilling effect. if i-recorded for- clearly has a chilling effect. if i recorded for simply if i was recorded for simply tteeweeht— if i was recorded for simply discussing my— if i was recorded for simply discussing my dog's liking of eheeee— discussing my dog's liking of eheeee .— discussing my dog's liking of cheese . whereas this man felt cheese. whereas this man felt emhettemet— cheese. whereas this man felt emboldened enough by the current ewtwe— emboldened enough by the current ewttwe te— emboldened enough by the current culture to tweet— emboldened enough by the current culture to tweet that he had a mem— culture to tweet that he had a wet het— culture to tweet that he had a snuff list of— culture to tweet that he had a snuff list of 37— culture to tweet that he had a snuff list of 37 prominent temtet— snuff list of 37 prominent gender critical- snuff list of 37 prominent gender critical women who were up te— gender critical women who were up te he— gender critical women who were up to be murdered— gender critical women who were up to be murdered . and now that up to be murdered. and now that there— up to be murdered. and now that thete ee— up to be murdered. and now that now there was action, i'm glad to now there was action, i'm glad te eey— now there was action, i'm glad te eey, eht— now there was action, i'm glad te eey, emt hhe— now there was action, i'm glad to say, and his membership of the wememe— to say, and his membership of the women's institute was rather heettty— the women's institute was rather hastily cancelled. _ the women's institute was rather hastily cancelled. and i know heehte— hastily cancelled. and i know heehte tehettet— hastily cancelled. and i know people reported him to the hehee— people reported him to the hettee. het— people reported him to the police. but isn't— people reported him to the police. but isn't it interesting thet— police. but isn't it interesting thet-teh— police. but isn't it interesting that-felt quite- that that man felt quite emhewetet— that that man felt quite empowered to do that, to publish thete — empowered to do that, to publish thete wett— empowered to do that, to publish that? well, for— empowered to do that, to publish that? well, for a— empowered to do that, to publish that? well, for a long- empowered to do that, to publish that? £th l that? well, for a long time, twitter hasn't published the sort of violent imagery that has come from extreme activists against gender critical women. they've just of that they've just sort of let that slide, will kick slide, but they will kick you off if you misgender i know that's changed under elon that's changed now under elon musk, the for musk, but that was the case for a long wasn't it? and so a long time, wasn't it? and so what here an what we have here is an ideological capture of the

people enforcing police people who are enforcing police codes. solution just codes. so is the solution just to of police codes? oh, to get rid of police codes? oh, sorry, speech codes. just say say want. no, say whatever you want. no, because free speech- no, because free speech absolutism is because free speech absolutism te emethet— because free speech absolutism is another kind— because free speech absolutism is another kind of— because free speech absolutism is another kind of terrorism . is another kind of terrorism. vee— is another kind of terrorism. hee emet— is another kind of terrorism. you cannot be— is another kind of terrorism. you cannot be free to say emythmt— you cannot be free to say emythmt yew— you cannot be free to say anything you want. i can't be hee— anything you want. i can't be hee hee— anything you want. i can't be free here and— anything you want. i can't be free here and .to- anything you want. i can't be free here and to incite free here and now to incite eemehety— free here and now to incite eemehety-yewl free here and now to incite- somebody-you because somebody to murder you because yee— somebody to murder you because yew-tel— somebody to murder you because you're---l_ somebody to murder you because yew-tel-t-ttte- somebody to murder you because yew-tel-t-hte teyi you're gay. and i don't like gay people-— you're gay. and i don't like gay heehteleem-t— you're gay. and i don't like gay heehteleem-t .— you're gay. and i don't like gay people. can't . that would people. i can't. that would be a ehmhet— people. i can't. that would be a ehmhet-emt- people. i can't. that would be a criminal and rightly so criminal offence, and rightly so .-wttete— criminal offence, and rightly so .-wttete tem— criminal offence, and rightly so . article ten contains . i mean, article ten contains wtthh— . i mean, article ten contains within-limitations. . i mean, article ten contains within limitations . within it those limitations. ewme— within it those limitations. owns freedom _ within it those limitations. owns freedom of speech is very tmhettemt— owns freedom of speech is very tmhettemt .— owns freedom of speech is very tmhettemt . het— owns freedom of speech is very important. but there owns freedom of speech is very important . but there have be important. but there have to be ttmtte— important. but there have to be limits. - defamation - important. but there have to be limits. defamation is limits. i mean, defamation is emethet— limits. i mean, defamation is- another—somebody another one. targeting somebody for another one. targeting somebody tet eheee— another one. targeting somebody her he the— another one. targeting somebody for abuse. the first— another one. targeting somebody for abuse. the first step's got to for abuse. the first step's got te he— for abuse. the first step's got te he peoplet_ for abuse. the first step's got to be people, not— for abuse. the first step's got to be people, not just giving lip to be people, not just giving the eewtee— to be people, not just giving lip service to— to be people, not just giving lip service to the importance of tteetem— lip service to the importance of meetem et— lip service to the importance of freedom of speech, which as case etteh— freedom of speech, which as case etteh ee— freedom of speech, which as case after case, judge _ freedom of speech, which as case after case, judge after judge hee— after case, judge after judge has-essential- after case, judge after judge has _essential . a i has said is essential to a functioning— has said is essential to a functioning democracy . the functioning democracy. the cettete— functioning democracy. the college policing consultation college of policing consultation lthhh— college of policing consultation ,|thhh-ee— college of policing consultation , think, so interesting , i think, was so interesting heeee— , i think, was so interesting heeee yew— , i think, was so interesting because you wouldn't know you because you wouldn't know if you tttm-t— because you wouldn't know if you tttm-t-htetety— because you wouldn't know if you didn't-history that- because you wouldn't know if you didn't history that the didn't know the history that the reason were consulting was reason they were consulting was heeee— reason they were consulting was because—guidancej because their previous guidance had-declared— because their previous guidance had declared unlawful. had been declared unlawful. there-e— had been declared unlawful. there-e met— had been declared unlawful. there's not a— had been declared unlawful. there's not a flicker of that. hw— there's not a flicker of that. hwt the— there's not a flicker of that. but the problem— there's not a flicker of that. but the problem with the ettwmemt— but the problem with the argument you've just raised is yee— argument you've just raised is yewhewe- ett- argument you've just raised is you're we all know you're saying we all know incitement— you're saying we all know incitement violence incitement to violence is tttetet— incitement to violence is illegal-activists. incitement to violence is. illegal-activists are illegal. the activists are saying when their feelings

saying that when their feelings are hurt, that's the same as physical well, that's are hurt, that's the same as physicwe've well, that's are hurt, that's the same as physicwe've got well, that's are hurt, that's the same as physicwe've got to well, that's are hurt, that's the same as physicwe've got to well, itat's are hurt, that's the same as physicwe've got to well, it on, where we've got to focus it on, heeee— where we've got to focus it on, because that's— where we've got to focus it on, because that's clearly nonsense. i because that's clearly nonsense. t—hmeheem- i mean, the american jurisprudence got jurisprudence has got quite a lot jurisprudence has got quite a tet et— jurisprudence has got quite a lot of interest— jurisprudence has got quite a lot of interest case law lot of interest in case law heeee— lot of interest in case law because they— lot of interest in case law because they their first amendment— because they their first amendment forward amendment is even more forward thhtht— amendment is even more forward thinking-article- thinking than our article ten. amt— thinking than our article ten. amt e— thinking than our article ten. amt e the— thinking than our article ten. and a big concept then, is tmmhemee— and a big concept then, is imminence ,_ and a big concept then, is imminence , imminence and imminence, imminence and weetmtty— imminence, imminence and weetmtty emt— imminence, imminence and proximity and that's what's made the twent— proximity and that's what's made the current situation so interesting. _ the current situation so interesting. as the internet has heee— interesting. as the internet has heee the— interesting. as the internet has become the playground where heehte— become the playground where heehte hwt— become the playground where people hurl these insults and it's people hurl these insults and he met— people hurl these insults and he met the— people hurl these insults and it's not the same— people hurl these insults and it's not the same as thinking there-e—the- it's not the same as thinkingi there's—the street there's this man on the street eeyht— there's this man on the street eeymg thmae— there's this man on the street saying things that are racist or hemhte. — saying things that are racist or horrible. somebody hundreds horrible. it's somebody hundreds of horrible. it's somebody hundreds et mttee— horrible. it's somebody hundreds et mttee-the— horrible. it's somebody hundreds of miles the internet. of miles away on the internet. vee— of miles away on the internet. wee-teeeh-t- of miles away on the internet. yes-doesn't seem. of miles away on the internet. yes doesn't seem to of miles away on the internet. . yes-doesn't seem to be yes but there doesn't seem to be thet— yes but there doesn't seem to be that recognition— yes but there doesn't seem to be that recognition of— yes but there doesn't seem to be that recognition of the of that recognition of the lack of tmmetteey— that recognition of the lack of immediacy proximate motty. immediacy and proximate motty. so immediacy and proximate motty. se—we— immediacy and proximate motty. ee—we eet,- immediacy and proximate motty. ee—we an eem- immediacy and proximate motty. so_we end, can you. so just before we end, can you teth— so just before we end, can you tett we— so just before we end, can you tell us about— so just before we end, can you tell us about this— so just before we end, can you tell us about this non—crime hete— tell us about this non—crime hate incident? _ tell us about this non—crime hate incident? 1�*th i7 hate incident? day of action? what it you're us? because what is it you're us? because naively, all what is it you're us? because naively,.all thought- 7 because naively, all thought after 7 because naively,stunning iought after 7 because naively, stunning victory after 7 because naively, stunning victory in er 7 because naively, stunning victory in the harry's stunning victory in the eewt— harry's stunning victory in the eewt-heet- harry's stunning victory in the eewt-heet h- harry's stunning victory in the court back in 2021, court of appeal back in 2021, thet— court of appeal back in 2021, thet-wemt— court of appeal back in 2021, that-would be- court of appeal back in 2021, that would be laid to rest. that this would be laid to rest. it that this would be laid to rest. tt-tem-t— that this would be laid to rest. tt-tem-t the— that this would be laid to rest. it isn't the college of it clearly isn't the college of heheht— it clearly isn't the college of heheht ee— it clearly isn't the college of policing are just— it clearly isn't the college of policing are just carrying on thet— policing are just carrying on wen—way,- policing are just carrying on. their—way, ignoring their own sweet way, ignoring their own sweet way, ignoring the heme— their own sweet way, ignoring the home secretary . so the 20th the home secretary. so the 20th of the home secretary. so the 20th et they— the home secretary. so the 20th et they te— the home secretary. so the 20th et they he john— the home secretary. so the 20th of may is john stewart mill's hhthtey. — of may is john stewart mill's hhthtey. we— of may is john stewart mill's birthday. we think he's highly birthday. we think he's a highly etthttteemt— birthday. we think he's a highly significant figure,— birthday. we think he's a highly significant figure, you say, significant figure, as you say, teetet— significant figure, as you say, twetet hy—

significant figure, as you say, twetet hy th— significant figure, as you say, quoted by mrjustice knowles. wete— quoted by mrjustice knowles. we-te—wmtei quoted by mrjustice knowles. wete—wmte te we're asking everybody arnie to mete— we're asking everybody arnie to mete e— we're asking everybody arnie to mete e tete— we're asking everybody arnie to make a data subject access retweet— make a data subject access retweet et— make a data subject access request of their— make a data subject access request of their police force . request of their police force. amt— request of their police force. amt whee— request of their police force. and we've done— request of their police force. and we've done a little how to twte— and we've done a little how to wtte-teh— and we've done a little how to guide fair website. guide on the fair cop website. we guide on the fair cop website. we wewt— guide on the fair cop website. we would like— guide on the fair cop website. we would like to— guide on the fair cop website. we would like to overwhelm the hehee— we would like to overwhelm the teteee wtth— we would like to overwhelm the forces with these _ we would like to overwhelm the forces with these requests, and wet— forces with these requests, and wet-yew— forces with these requests, and wet-yew te— forces with these requests, and we'd-you to tell- forces with these requests, and we'd you to tell us what we'd like you to tell us what you— we'd like you to tell us what yew tht— we'd like you to tell us what yew ttmt emt— we'd like you to tell us what you find and then tell us if the hehee— you find and then tell us if the hettee wemt— you find and then tell us if the police won't delete it. because i police won't delete it. because t eeeheet— police won't delete it. because t eweheet the— police won't delete it. because i suspect the bulk— police won't delete it. because i suspect the bulk of what's now heem— i suspect the bulk of what's now been recorded— i suspect the bulk of what's now been recorded is— i suspect the bulk of what's now been recorded is as— i suspect the bulk of what's now been recorded is as ridiculous eht— been recorded is as ridiculous emt ettemetwe— been recorded is as ridiculous and offensive as— been recorded is as ridiculous and offensive as what was teeettet— and offensive as what was recorded against harry and me . recorded against harry and me. amt— recorded against harry and me. amt te— recorded against harry and me. amt to we— recorded against harry and me. amt to we ett— recorded against harry and me. and do we all have— recorded against harry and me. and do we all have a— recorded against harry and me. and do we all have a legal right to information? to access that information? okay, very interesting. okay, that's very interesting. and obliged delete okay, that's very interesting. ainow obliged delete okay, that's very interesting. ainow given obliged delete okay, that's very interesting. ainow given theiged delete okay, that's very interesting. ainow given the home delete okay, that's very interesting. ainow given the home office; it now given the home office ruling? well, this is the interesting— ruling? well, this is the interesting-i'm. “q7 well, this is the interesting i'm in interesting thing. i'm in eemteet— interesting thing. i'm in contact woman interesting thing. i'm in- contact-woman who interesting thing. i'm in- contaca-woman who interesting thing. i'm in contaca safeguarding an who interesting thing. i'm in contaca safeguarding concern raised a safeguarding concern eht— raised a safeguarding concern eet-teeettet- raised a safeguarding concern and-recorded as- raised a safeguarding concern and recorded as hateful, and is now recorded as hateful, emt— and is now recorded as hateful, emt the— and is now recorded as hateful, emt the hehee— and is now recorded as hateful, and the police are— and is now recorded as hateful, and the police are refusing to tetete— and the police are refusing to tetete ht.— and the police are refusing to delete it. now,— and the police are refusing to delete it. now, that hopefully is delete it. now, that hopefully he tethe— delete it. now, that hopefully he tema te— delete it. now, that hopefully he tema te 90— delete it. now, that hopefully is going to go court. but the is going to go to court. but the hhmethtee— is going to go to court. but the hhmethtee et— is going to go to court. but the principles of data— is going to go to court. but the principles of data protection, information— principles of data protection, information that's recorded has got information that's recorded has tet te— information that's recorded has tet te he— information that's recorded has got to be accurate. it is never hetetwt— got to be accurate. it is never hateful-raise— got to be accurate. it is never hateful-raise a _ got to be accurate. it is never hateful raise a safeguarding hateful to raise a safeguarding concern and that— hateful to raise a safeguarding concern and that makes my alarm go concern and that makes my alarm 90 up— concern and that makes my alarm ge we too— concern and that makes my alarm ge we too tett— concern and that makes my alarm go up 100 fold. has— concern and that makes my alarm go up 100 fold. has he had his tteetem— go up 100 fold. has he had his meetem et— go up 100 fold. has he had his freedom of speech— go up 100 fold. has he had his freedom of speech curtailed ? but freedom of speech curtailed? but this freedom of speech curtailed? but thte wemem— freedom of speech curtailed? but this woman was— freedom of speech curtailed? but this woman was making a eetetweetmt— this woman was making a

safeguarding complaint so people can safeguarding complaint so people 90— safeguarding complaint so people 90 te— safeguarding complaint so people ge te the— safeguarding complaint so people can go to the fair— safeguarding complaint so people can go to the fair cop website, is can go to the fair cop website, te thet— can go to the fair cop website, tethet hthte — can go to the fair cop website, is that right? and— can go to the fair cop website, is that right? ' t: tict" gt; is that right? and they can get guidance on how to do this? yeah fantastic. sarah phillimore , fantastic. sarah phillimore, thanks very much for joining us. we're coming up on the show. i will be speaking to denise fahmy , who is taking the arts council to an employment tribunal after being harassed for her gender critical views. you're watching free speech nation live on .

channel. britain is watching . channel. britain is watching. welcome back to free speech wettem— welcome back to free speech wetteh wtth— welcome back to free speech nation with me,— welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle temtee— nation with me, andrew doyle temtee tehmy— nation with me, andrew doyle denise fahmy, a— nation with me, andrew doyle denise fahmy, a senior official at denise fahmy, a senior official et wte— denise fahmy, a senior official at arts council— denise fahmy, a senior official at arts council england, is tethe— at arts council england, is tetht the— at arts council england, is taking the organisation to an emhteymemt— taking the organisation to an employment tribunal because she eeye— employment tribunal because she eeye ehe— employment tribunal because she eeye ehe ee— employment tribunal because she says she was harassed being temtee— says she was harassed being gender critical. _ says she was harassed being gender critical. 1�*th z gender critical. denise found herself faced with what she describes as a toxic working environment after she spoke in defence of lgb alliance, a group

that advocates for the rights of same sex attracted people. denise was signed off with stress after a petition was launched on the staff intranet account that criticising herself and others with gender critical beliefs reluctant to see her career ruined without a fight. she lodged a complaint with the leeds employment tribunal in september 2022, and she's here to tell us more about it right now. good evening, denise. thanks for coming. hi. so firstly, perhaps you could explain to people what your job at the arts council is. yeah, well, the arts council- ' i l yeah, well, the arts council england twee— well, the arts council england the eet— well, the arts council england gives out grants— well, the arts council england gives out grants to all english ette— gives out grants to all english arts organisations and anybody temt— arts organisations and anybody doing cultural— arts organisations and anybody doing cultural projects and we hewe— doing cultural projects and we hewe e— doing cultural projects and we hewe e temte— doing cultural projects and we have a range of— doing cultural projects and we have a range of different fund eteme ee— have a range of different fund streams. so my— have a range of different fund streams. so my job is to look at theee— streams. so my job is to look at those applications— streams. so my job is to look at those applications ,_ streams. so my job is to look at those applications , advise those applications, advise hetehttet— those applications, advise potential applicants and make twmttmt— potential applicants and make funding decisions. yes and we're twmtet— funding decisions. yes and we're funded through— funding decisions. yes and we're funded through government and thtewth— funded through government and thtewth the— funded through government and through the national lottery. so through the national lottery. se tet-e— through the national lottery. so we teth— through the national lottery. so let's talk a— through the national lottery. so let's talk a bit— through the national lottery. so let's talk a bit about- through the national lottery. so let's talk a bit about lgb alliance and what happened here. what was the specific case that started all of this? yeah, i

mean, i don't know if people know about lgb alliance. it's an organisation that's— know about lgb alliance. it's an organisation that's quite- organisation that's quite a young— organisation that's quite a young organisation that was established— young organisation that was established three established about three years ago— established about three years eaeleeweeemt— established about three years ago represent the views of ago to represent the views of et— ago to represent the views of some of same sex attracted heehte— some of same sex attracted heehte .— some of same sex attracted heehte . tt— some of same sex attracted people . it made- some of same sex attracted people . it made an application people. it made an application to people. it made an application te tte— people. it made an application to it's actually— people. it made an application to it's actually another organisation,- to it's actually another organisation, the london cemmwhtty— organisation, the london community foundation action, whteh— community foundation action, whteh het— community foundation action, which had funding from the arts cewmett— which had funding from the arts cewmett te— which had funding from the arts council to distribute to celebrate _ council to distribute to celebrate the - council to distribute to celebrate the queen's jubilee . celebrate the queen's jubilee. wew— celebrate the queen's jubilee. wewthe— celebrate the queen's jubilee. wew the tee— celebrate the queen's jubilee. now the lgb alliance made a eweeeeetw— now the lgb alliance made a successful application and eeewet— successful application and t teet— successful application and secured just under £10,000 to do a secured just under £10,000 to do e tttm — secured just under £10,000 to do etttm ehew— secured just under £10,000 to do etttm ehewt gey— secured just under £10,000 to do a film about gay men's lives. hmtet— a film about gay men's lives. hmtet the— a film about gay men's lives. under the queen's reign, which ehwewety— under the queen's reign, which ehwewety hee— under the queen's reign, which obviously has changed tremendously and the past 50 yeete— tremendously and the past 50 yeete tte— tremendously and the past 50 years it's been— tremendously and the past 50 years it's been it's been an heetthte— years it's been it's been an incredible story— years it's been it's been an incredible story that grant was ewettet— incredible story that grant was ewettet emt— incredible story that grant was awarded and there was immediately- awarded and there was immediately a kind of twitter ewttete— immediately a kind of twitter outrage where— immediately a kind of twitter outrage where people said, well , thte— outrage where people said, well , thte wte— outrage where people said, well , this arts council— outrage where people said, well , this arts council funding, whteh— , this arts council funding, which essentially is where the wemt— which essentially is where the amt me— which essentially is where the grant came from,— which essentially is where the grant came from, shouldn't go to the — grant came from, shouldn't go to the theme— grant came from, shouldn't go to lgb alliance and— grant came from, shouldn't go to lgb alliance and lgb alliance hewe— lgb alliance and lgb alliance hewe heem— lgb alliance and lgb alliance have been completely vilified as

as transphobic,— have been completely vilified as as transphobic, as— have been completely vilified as as transphobic, as hateful, all, you— as transphobic, as hateful, all, yew thew,— as transphobic, as hateful, all, yew thew, teet— as transphobic, as hateful, all, you know, just an— as transphobic, as hateful, all, you know, just an appalling eemhetgh— you know, just an appalling eemhettm et— you know, just an appalling campaign of we— you know, just an appalling campaign of we should explain thet— campaign of we should explain that because— campaign of we should explain that because the— campaign of we should explain that because the lgb alliance eht— that because the lgb alliance emt e— that because the lgb alliance emt e tet— that because the lgb alliance emt e tet et— that because the lgb alliance and a lot of groups cover lgbt heehte— and a lot of groups cover lgbt heehte hewe— and a lot of groups cover lgbt people have accused them of ewttht— people have accused them of ewttht eet— people have accused them of cutting out the— people have accused them of cutting out the t,— people have accused them of cutting out the t, but of course thet— cutting out the t, but of course thet mehee— cutting out the t, but of course that makes no— cutting out the t, but of course that makes no sense because they-te— that makes no sense because theyhe teet— that makes no sense because they're just there— that makes no sense because they're just there to represent the — they're just there to represent the heehte, — they're just there to represent the heehte, teet— they're just there to represent lgb people, just like there are some organisations that just eweeemt— some organisations that just represent people represent trans people and thet-e— represent trans people and thet-e-ee— represent trans people and that's-as well. - represent trans people and that's as well. represent trans people and- that's-as well. people just that's fine as well. people just organise themselves, but they have to a smear have been subject to a smear campaign basically, and so when this application was approved and this twitter storm happened and this twitter storm happened and what was going on within the arts then arts council, then at that point? the arts council at point? well the arts council at the time had about 650 to 700 members of staff . you know, i've members of staff. you know, i've got members of staff. you know, i've tet te— members of staff. you know, i've tet te eey— members of staff. you know, i've tet te eey .— members of staff. you know, i've tet te eey , tte— members of staff. you know, i've tet te eey , tt-e e— members of staff. you know, i've got to say , it's a very— got to say, it's a very collegiate— got to say, it's a very collegiate workplace and very whwewetty— collegiate workplace and very wmwewetty .— collegiate workplace and very wmwewetty , e— collegiate workplace and very unusually , a meeting was called unusually, a meeting was called for unusually, a meeting was called tet ett— unusually, a meeting was called tet ett etem— unusually, a meeting was called tet ett etett .— unusually, a meeting was called for all staff , which— unusually, a meeting was called for all staff, which was ettemtet— for all staff, which was attended by- for all staff, which was attended by a very high number of attended by a very high number et etett. — attended by a very high number et etett. thte— attended by a very high number of staff. this was— attended by a very high number of staff. this was an online meetht— of staff. this was an online meetht .— of staff. this was an online meeting , erg,— of staff. this was an online meeting , erg, and it was to meeting, erg, and it was to theme— meeting, erg, and it was to tteewee teet— meeting, erg, and it was to discuss just one— meeting, erg, and it was to discuss just one award and if i het— discuss just one award and if i hut thet— discuss just one award and if i can put that in— discuss just one award and if i

can put that in the context of the— can put that in the context of the wewewe— can put that in the context of the previous year,— can put that in the context of the previous year, we'd distributed— the previous year, we'd distributed over £900 million. we distributed over £900 million. we hewe— distributed over £900 million. we have never— distributed over £900 million. we have never had a meeting ehew— we have never had a meeting ehewt teet— we have never had a meeting about just one— we have never had a meeting about just one award of £10,000, heee— about just one award of £10,000, teee them— about just one award of £10,000, less than 10,000,— about just one award of £10,000, less than 10,000, and was that the— less than 10,000, and was that the eeehee— less than 10,000, and was that the response to— less than 10,000, and was that the response to the twitter eteeme — the response to the twitter eteeme vee— the response to the twitter storm? yes .— the response to the twitter storm? “his / the response to the twitter storm? “his “43?“ “dirtise g storm? yes. yeah. interesting. yeah . storm? yes. yeah. interesting. yeah. so storm? yes. yeah. interesting. yeah . so it was an storm? “tit; h/tict“ xtiititcx “t; / so it was an unprecedented yeah. so it was an unprecedented meethe— yeah. so it was an unprecedented meetht, eh— yeah. so it was an unprecedented meetinge em emt— yeah. so it was an unprecedented meeting, an and as— yeah. so it was an unprecedented meeting, an and as i— / so it was an unprecedented meeting, an and as i say, i've wettet— meeting, an and as i say, i've wettet tet— meeting, an and as i say, i've worked for the— meeting, an and as i say, i've worked for the arts council for 15 worked for the arts council for h ye — worked for the arts council for h ye twe— worked for the arts council for 15 years. i've never— worked for the arts council for 15 years. i've never attended a meetht— 15 years. i've never attended a meetme ehew— 15 years. i've never attended a meeting about one very small. whet— meeting about one very small. whet wete— meeting about one very small. whet they— meeting about one very small. what were they having - meeting about one very small. what were they having the- what were they having the meeting for? what were they hoping to determine? i think i mean, to be honest,- “t; : “ti7 i think i mean, to be honest, that's kind of mean, to be honest, that's kind et the— mean, to be honest, that's kind et the ewhteet— mean, to be honest, that's kind of the subject of— mean, to be honest, that's kind of the subject of my employment thhwmeh— of the subject of my employment tribunal. what's— of the subject of my employment tribunal. what's what's the eemtext— tribunal. what's what's the eemtext tet— tribunal. what's what's the context for this? but there was tethttety— context for this? but there was definitely disquiet amongst the wetttetee— definitely disquiet amongst the workforce that— definitely disquiet amongst the workforce that this award had heem— workforce that this award had heem mete— workforce that this award had heem mete .— workforce that this award had been made . and— workforce that this award had been made . and so the meeting been made. and so the meeting teet— been made. and so the meeting feet teeweeet— been made. and so the meeting just focussed on _ been made. and so the meeting just focussed on whether this ewett — just focussed on whether this award should— just focussed on whether this award should have been made or met.— award should have been made or met. amt— award should have been made or met. amt et— award should have been made or met. amt et the— award should have been made or not. and at the time of the meethe— not. and at the time of the meetinge the— not. and at the time of the meeting, the award had been ewehemtet— meeting, the award had been suspended right— meeting, the award had been suspended right . meeting, the award had been suspended right. '“t: meeting, the award had been suspended right. '“: suspended right. and what happened to you then? how did you. okay so the meeting kicked off and i thought it was going

to be a neutral place where we had this kind of strange discussion. but it took a very whet— discussion. but it took a very whet t— discussion. but it took a very see what i would— t: i tit“ but it took a very see what i would feel is a t: i ti“ but it took a very see what i would feel is a very hteeet— see what i would feel is a very hteeet teete— see what i would feel is a very biased route in— see what i would feel is a very biased route in which the heettteh— biased route in which the heettteh et— biased route in which the position of the- biased route in which the position of the chair of the meme— position of the chair of the meeting who's— position of the chair of the meeting who's who's a senior ehe— meeting who's who's a senior he et— meeting who's who's a senior member of staff,— meeting who's who's a senior member of staff, he felt very ettemtty— member of staff, he felt very eteemety thet— member of staff, he felt very strongly that the— member of staff, he felt very strongly that the grant shouldn't— strongly that the grant shouldn't have been made to the to shouldn't have been made to the te tte— shouldn't have been made to the to erg alliance.— shouldn't have been made to the to erg alliance. there were some technicalities— to erg alliance. there were some technicalities around the grant, but technicalities around the grant, hwt he— technicalities around the grant, hwt he teh— technicalities around the grant, but he felt that— technicalities around the grant, but he felt that the grant for the wemt— but he felt that the grant for the grant should be withdrawn or at the grant should be withdrawn or et teeet— the grant should be withdrawn or at least shouldn't— the grant should be withdrawn or at least shouldn't have been mete— at least shouldn't have been mete . — at least shouldn't have been mete . htt— at least shouldn't have been made . did he— at least shouldn't have been made. did he give- at least shouldn't have been made . “j t: g at least shouldn't have been made . j t: t; 7 at least shouldn't have been made. j t: t; 7 made. did he give a reason? he felt that they were an anti—trans and divisive organisation which is which is well , not true. organisation which is which is well, not true. yeah. and a sort of a smear . well, not true. yeah. and a sort of a smear. it's libel. well it would have been libel had he published it. slander. sorry so given that what did you object in the meeting itself . so yeah. in the meeting itself. so yeah. i mean if you can— i“ “t; so yeah. i mean if you can imagine, i thew— i mean if you can imagine, i know we've all— i mean if you can imagine, i know we've all been to online meethte— know we've all been to online meethte h— know we've all been to online meetings in the— know we've all been to online meetings in the past 2 or 3 yee— meetings in the past 2 or 3 years, so there— meetings in the past 2 or 3 years, so there was lots of ehet. — years, so there was lots of ehet. hee. — years, so there was lots of chat. yes. and— years, so there was lots of chat. yes. and i- years, so there was lots of chat. yes. and i wrote in the thet— chat. yes. and i wrote in the ehet .— chat. yes. and i wrote in the

ehet , they-te— chat. yes. and i wrote in the chat , they're not— chat. yes. and i wrote in the chat , they're not anti—trans . chat, they're not anti—trans. amt— chat, they're not anti—trans. amt there— chat, they're not anti—trans. and there was— chat, they're not anti—trans. and there was quite a lot of opprobrium — and there was quite a lot of opprobrium against me from not not opprobrium against me from not met the— opprobrium against me from not met the metehty— opprobrium against me from not not the majority of the meeting heeee— not the majority of the meeting heeee et— not the majority of the meeting because of course— not the majority of the meeting because of course this was a huge— because of course this was a huge meettme— because of course this was a huge meeting. there was 400 hee— huge meeting. there was 400 he et— huge meeting. there was 400 members of staff— huge meeting. there was 400 members of staff there, but from eeme—tett— members of staff there, but from eeme—tett very- some colleagues felt very eteemety— some colleagues felt very strongly that— some colleagues felt very strongly that they were and the teme — strongly that they were and the teme et— strongly that they were and the teme et the — strongly that they were and the tone of the meeting got more and heetet— tone of the meeting got more and more heated and— tone of the meeting got more and more heated and i— tone of the meeting got more and more heated and i found it teetty— more heated and i found it eeetty, eeetty— more heated and i found it really, really quite shocking. amt— really, really quite shocking. amt tt— really, really quite shocking. and it wasn't— really, really quite shocking. and it wasn't it— really, really quite shocking. and it wasn't it was a very wmhteeeeht— and it wasn't it was a very unpleasant experience . ' “t: unpleasant experience. and whet-e— unpleasant experience. and what's happened— unpleasant experience. and what's happened since then, because you're saying there's been harassment . well well, been harassment. well well, i guess been harassment. well well, i tweee twe— been harassment. well well, i guess two things— been harassment. well well, i guess two things have- well well, i guess two things have happened . guess two things have happened. i guess two things have happened. t tewmt— guess two things have happened. t tewmt thet— guess two things have happened. i found that experian acas very heteeeht— i found that experian acas very heteeeht emt— i found that experian acas very harassing and two— i found that experian acas very harassing and two things heeeemet— harassing and two things happened.the harassing and two things happened. the first thing that hehhemet— happened. the first thing that hehhemet ee— happened. the first thing that hehhemet t— happened. the first thing that happened was i made a complaint to happened was i made a complaint te my— happened was i made a complaint te my ehew— happened was i made a complaint te my eheh et— happened was i made a complaint to my chair of the— happened was i made a complaint to my chair of the organisation to my chair of the organisation te eey,— to my chair of the organisation te eey, wett— to my chair of the organisation te eey, wett .— to my chair of the organisation to say, well , this— to my chair of the organisation to say, well , this is this is to say, well, this is this is unbelievable— to say, well, this is this is unbelievable that the views of httwtwete— unbelievable that the views of individuals can— unbelievable that the views of individuals can start to dictate whe— individuals can start to dictate whe tete— individuals can start to dictate who gets access— individuals can start to dictate who gets access to public twmttmt— who gets access to public funding because that is a very etthhety— funding because that is a very slippery slime-— funding because that is a very slippery slope. and a democrat

eeetety— slippery slope. and a democrat eeetety .— slippery slope. and a democrat eeetety . se— slippery slope. and a democrat eeetety . se t— slippery slope. and a democrat society . so i made a complaint society. so i made a complaint ehew— society. so i made a complaint ehewt thet— society. so i made a complaint about that and— society. so i made a complaint about that and it— society. so i made a complaint about that and it was a whistle htewht— about that and it was a whistle blowing complaint and i made it to blowing complaint and i made it te the— blowing complaint and i made it te the meth— blowing complaint and i made it to the chair of— blowing complaint and i made it to the chair of the— blowing complaint and i made it to the chair of the arts tethet,— to the chair of the arts council, the - to the chair of the arts council, the second thing that hehhemet— council, the second thing that hehhemet ee— council, the second thing that happened was about three weeks tetet— happened was about three weeks tetet .— happened was about three weeks tetet , t— happened was about three weeks tetet, t mttht— happened was about three weeks later , i might have been later, i might have been a ttttte— later, i might have been a ttttte htt— later, i might have been a little bit less— later, i might have been a little bit less than that. a mhe— little bit less than that. a he et— little bit less than that. a number of members of staff came tetethet— number of members of staff came tetethet te— number of members of staff came together to launch— number of members of staff came together to launch an online hetttteh— together to launch an online hetttteh .— together to launch an online petition . against gender petition. against gender ehtteet— petition. against gender critical people and they didn't het— critical people and they didn't name me, but it— critical people and they didn't name me, but it was very eteemety— name me, but it was very strongly targeted towards me. but strongly targeted towards me. hwt thet-e— strongly targeted towards me. hwt thet-e e— strongly targeted towards me. but that's a real— strongly targeted towards me. but that's a real problem in the wte— but that's a real problem in the the cewmett. — but that's a real problem in the arts council. i— but that's a real problem in the arts council. “ e arts council. i mean, it's problematic enough, isn't it, for the arts council to be so ideologically skewed in one way, or to suggest that they can't fund people who have certain perfectly legal perfectly legitimate and legal views, if they're starting views, but if they're starting to, then police the opinions that are acceptable within the staff members, that's surely a huge problem . i think. i staff members, that's surely a huge problem . i think . i mean, huge problem. i think. i mean, the actual experience- huge problem. i think. i mean, the actual experience of- d i mean, the actual experience of the hettttem— the actual experience of the petition being _ the actual experience of the petition being launched and unfortunately, _ petition being launched and unfortunately, the petition was heetet— unfortunately, the petition was heetet hy— unfortunately, the petition was heetet hy ew— unfortunately, the petition was hosted by our staff intranet for

26 hosted by our staff intranet for ze hewe — hosted by our staff intranet for ze hewe tt— hosted by our staff intranet for 26 hours. it collected 100 plus ettmetwee— 26 hours. it collected 100 plus signatures and— 26 hours. it collected 100 plus signatures and lots of revolting comments that— signatures and lots of revolting comments that were really unacceptable— comments that were really unacceptable in a workplace. yes so unacceptable in a workplace. yes he thet— unacceptable in a workplace. yes he thet t— unacceptable in a workplace. yes so that i requested— unacceptable in a workplace. yes so that i requested for it to be htewtht— so that i requested for it to be heeweht tewm— so that i requested for it to be brought down. it— so that i requested for it to be brought down. it wasn't brought tewm— brought down. it wasn't brought tewm. tt— brought down. it wasn't brought tewm. tt ee— brought down. it wasn't brought down. it was kept— brought down. it wasn't brought down. it was kept up for over 24 hewe — down. it was kept up for over 24 hewe amt— down. it was kept up for over 24 hewe amt tt— down. it was kept up for over 24 hours. and it was— down. it was kept up for over 24 hours. and it was it— down. it was kept up for over 24 hours. and it was it was a tteettw— hours. and it was it was a dreadful experience to be on the teeetwht — dreadful experience to be on the teeetwht emt— dreadful experience to be on the receiving end in— dreadful experience to be on the receiving end in terms of how the— receiving end in terms of how the wte— receiving end in terms of how the arts council,— receiving end in terms of how the arts council, which you'll yew-tt— the arts council, which you'll you'll understand is the major temtee— you'll understand is the major temtee et— you'll understand is the major funder of the _ you'll understand is the major funder of the arts— you'll understand is the major funder of the arts in this eewmtry— funder of the arts in this eewmtty, ette— funder of the arts in this country, arts and culture in in thtteht— country, arts and culture in in tmttemt .— country, arts and culture in in thetemt . tt— country, arts and culture in in england . it has— country, arts and culture in in england . it has a— country, arts and culture in in england . it has a duty to england. it has a duty to tethet— england. it has a duty to deliver for— england. it has a duty to deliver for equality of eheehwmtty- deliver for equality of opportunity for all applicants emt— opportunity for all applicants emt te— opportunity for all applicants and to foster— opportunity for all applicants and to foster good relations hetweem— and to foster good relations between people. that's part of our between people. that's part of tetet— between people. that's part of teeet twty— between people. that's part of our legal duty under the ttwettty— our legal duty under the ttwettty het— our legal duty under the equality act and under the hwhtte— equality act and under the public sector. _ equality act and under the public sector. equality, duty . public sector. equality, duty. it public sector. equality, duty. tt eem-t— public sector. equality, duty. tt eem-t teet— public sector. equality, duty. it can't just decide as a body thet— it can't just decide as a body thet tt— it can't just decide as a body that it doesn't— it can't just decide as a body that it doesn't like certain wewhemte— that it doesn't like certain viewpoints and— that it doesn't like certain viewpoints and this is interesting— viewpoints and this is interesting because that's not a ehtehe— interesting because that's not a ehtehe et— interesting because that's not a criteria of funding. '“t:

interesting because that's not a criteria of funding. ' “t: “titi criteria of funding. and since the meye— criteria of funding. and since the maya forstater case, we know that gender critical views are protected in absolutely. protected in law. absolutely. and seeing again and and yet we're seeing again and again, not just again, aren't we, not just in the arts council, various the arts council, but in various corporations institutions , corporations and institutions, as do express those as those who do express those views are often demonised. i mean, a problem , mean, this is a wider problem, isn't it? yeah. and e 7 yeah. and unfortunately, we're seeing isn't it? yeah. and— unfortunately, we're seeing that eeteee-whete— unfortunately, we're seeing that across-whole arts- unfortunately, we're seeing that across whole arts sector. i across the whole arts sector. i thew— across the whole arts sector. i knew et— across the whole arts sector. i knew et mehy— across the whole arts sector. i know of many case studies in whteh— know of many case studies in which particularly female practitioners— which particularly female practitioners are losing their hweheeee— practitioners are losing their businesses or— practitioners are losing their businesses or they're losing thet— businesses or they're losing their livelihoods or they're wetwetty— their livelihoods or they're gradually being edged out of ettemteet— gradually being edged out of organised nations and you'll wmtetetemt— organised nations and you'll understand that— organised nations and you'll understand that the arts is hhmety— understand that the arts is hhmety .— understand that the arts is hhmety . tte— understand that the arts is hhmety . tt-e e— understand that the arts is primary . it's a freelance primary. it's a freelance eeeet.— primary. it's a freelance sector. yes— primary. it's a freelance sector. yes reputation is ewetythme— sector. yes reputation is ewetythme .— sector. yes reputation is everything . absolutely. so it's everything. absolutely. so it's heee— everything. absolutely. so it's heee e— everything. absolutely. so it's heee e yew— everything. absolutely. so it's become a very censor , curious become a very censor, curious emt— become a very censor, curious emt heettte— become a very censor, curious and hostile environment moment for and hostile environment moment tee heehte— and hostile environment moment tee heehte te— and hostile environment moment for people to work— and hostile environment moment for people to work in. and i thet-e— for people to work in. and i mean that's obviously not good for mean that's obviously not good tet the— mean that's obviously not good for the artists— mean that's obviously not good for the artists working in that hee— for the artists working in that hee het— for the artists working in that hee hwt tte— for the artists working in that space, but it's not good for etemee— space, but it's not good for audiences either, because it thet— audiences either, because it means that the— audiences either, because it means that the arts product is tethet— means that the arts product is getting narrower— means that the arts product is getting narrower and narrower emt— getting narrower and narrower emt te— getting narrower and narrower emt te tethe— getting narrower and narrower emt te tetht em— getting narrower and narrower and is taking on a kind of the wmt— and is taking on a kind of the tht et— and is taking on a kind of the kind of thought— and is taking on a kind of the kind of thought policing and meet— kind of thought policing and meet teme— kind of thought policing and moral tone that—

kind of thought policing and moral tone that is just limiting tteetem— moral tone that is just limiting meetem et— moral tone that is just limiting freedom of expression . �*fthiee freedom of expression. well, hetwe— freedom of expression. well, tetete we— freedom of expression. well, before we finish, it would be very important for you to explain where people can help you out. you've got a crowdfunder online. yeah. and where can they find that? yeah. well i'm my case. is on crowdjustice. _ well i'm my case. is on crowdjustice. if- well i'm my case. is on crowdjustice. if you- �*hwhiii i is on crowdjustice. if you look my upe— crowdjustice. if you look my name up, denise— crowdjustice. if you look my name up, denise fahmy or you teet— name up, denise fahmy or you teet we— name up, denise fahmy or you teet we ttthtme— name up, denise fahmy or you look up fighting bias at the top of look up fighting bias at the top et the— look up fighting bias at the top et the wte— look up fighting bias at the top of the arts council. i do have to of the arts council. i do have te etee— of the arts council. i do have to raise £55,000. _ of the arts council. i do have to raise £55,000. we're more them— to raise £55,000. we're more them hettwey— to raise £55,000. we're more than halfway there. this case hee— than halfway there. this case hee very— than halfway there. this case hee wety ettemt— than halfway there. this case has very strong merits, and i'm twte— has very strong merits, and i'm twte heetttwe— has very strong merits, and i'm twte heetttwe .— has very strong merits, and i'm quite positive . i'm— has very strong merits, and i'm quite positive . i'm very quite positive. i'm very confident— quite positive. i'm very confident that we can win this amt— confident that we can win this amt tte— confident that we can win this case. and it's important for the where— case. and it's important for the cultural sector,— case. and it's important for the cultural sector, too. i think hemee— cultural sector, too. i think denise fahmy,— cultural sector, too. i think denise fahmy, thanks very much for denise fahmy, thanks very much tee temht— denise fahmy, thanks very much feet-emhe — denise fahmy, thanks very much for joining me. “ for joining me. really appreciate forjoining me. “ i e thank forjoining me. j i e thank you. forjoining me. really- appreciate it. thank you . forjoining me. really— appreciate it. thank you . well, appreciate it. thank you. well, still to come on free speech nation, local government officials try wrapping and mail . canadian politicians don, high heels. it's almost time for social sensations. don't go anywhere .

welcome back to free speech nation. it's time for social sensations. the part of the show that we devote to the very weird and not very wonderful world of social media. we're going to start with the diane abbott row. when we spoke about that earlier in danny in the show and comedian danny postal has given his verdict . postal has given his verdict. let's take a look . okay. i'd let's take a look. okay. i'd like to make— let's take a look. okay. i'd like to make an— okay. i'd like to make an apology about the comments— like to make an apology about the comments that i've made tetey— the comments that i've made tetey .— the comments that i've made tetey . amt— the comments that i've made tetey . amt t— the comments that i've made today . and i specifically albie today. and i specifically albie wemt— today. and i specifically albie wemt te— today. and i specifically albie want to make _ today. and i specifically albie want to make apologies to mick hwethett— want to make apologies to mick hwetmett .— want to make apologies to mick hwetmett , tt— want to make apologies to mick hucknall , ed sheeran , ron hucknall, ed sheeran, ron weeetey— hucknall, ed sheeran, ron weeetey .— hucknall, ed sheeran, ron weasley , and— hucknall, ed sheeran, ron weasley , and charlie dimmock . weasley, and charlie dimmock. it's absolutely— weasley, and charlie dimmock. it's absolutely uncanny. “tit; it's absolutely uncanny. yes. heet— it's absolutely uncanny. yes. veeh hewe— it's absolutely uncanny. yes. veeh hewe yew— it's absolutely uncanny. yes. yeah have you gigged with danny? do you know? yeah yeah, no, i know him quite well. yeah, he's got a good diane abbott impersonation . yeah. yeah, well, impersonation. yeah. yeah, well, it was on britain's— impersonation. yeah. yeah, well, it was on britain's got- “ h/tict“ yeah, well, it was on britain's got talent. i it was on britain's got talent. t thht— it was on britain's got talent. t thht he— it was on britain's got talent. t thht he get— it was on britain's got talent. i think he got through to the thet.— i think he got through to the

final. brilliant— i think he got through to the final. brilliant _ i think he got through to the final. brilliant cj

use used drew derision from social media users. so we can the— social media users. so we can the wtee— social media users. so we can see the video here. - social media users. so we can see the video here. i'll teeehhe— see the video here. i'll describe it— see the video here. i'll describe it for- see the video here. i'll describe it for radio listeners. we-we— describe it for radio listeners. we-we tet— describe it for radio listeners. we've got some— describe it for radio listeners. we've got some politicians in the— we've got some politicians in the ehemhet— we've got some politicians in the chamber walking around in high-— the chamber walking around in high- eheee— the chamber walking around in high. these are— the chamber walking around in high. these are male politicians,- high. these are male politicians, by the way, walking eemt— politicians, by the way, walking etewmt-htth— politicians, by the way, walking around high heels all around in large high heels all of around in large high heels all et the— around in large high heels all et the eheee— around in large high heels all of the shoes look— around in large high heels all of the shoes look bright pink to me et whtte. — of the shoes look bright pink to me or white. and— of the shoes look bright pink to me or white. and so they've sold temhtem— me or white. and so they've sold temtmtem et— me or white. and so they've sold feminism or solved— me or white. and so they've sold feminism or solved domestic weemtee— feminism or solved domestic weehtee te— feminism or solved domestic violence, is that— feminism or solved domestic violence, is that what i mean? tte— violence, is that what i mean? we teetty— violence, is that what i mean? the teetty teet— violence, is that what i mean? it's really good that— violence, is that what i mean? it's really good that they're raising awareness of domestic violence before i violence because before i saw this , i didn't even this video, i didn't even know that allowed to beat your this video, i didn't even know that so allowed to beat your this video, i didn't even know that so it'sillowed to beat your this video, i didn't even know that so it's reallyj to beat your this video, i didn't even know that so it's really worthtat your this video, i didn't even know that so it's really worth hisiour wife. so it's really worth his take on that. scott, what do you mete— take on that. scott, what do you mete et— take on that. scott, what do you mete et thete— take on that. scott, what do you make of that? i— take on that. scott, what do you make of that? i think— ti“ scott, what do you make of that? i think beating yew— make of that? i think beating yew wtte— make of that? i think beating yew wtte te— make of that? i think beating your wife is probably a bad thht. — your wife is probably a bad thmt. we.— your wife is probably a bad thmt. we. t— your wife is probably a bad thing. hti e your wife is probably a bad thing. htit . that's your wife is probably a bad thing. hti . that's my thing. no, i wasn't. that's my tete— thing. no, i wasn't. that's my the tee— thing. no, i wasn't. that's my take, for goodness— thing. hti . that's my take, for goodness sake. the thht— take, for goodness sake. the thme ehew— take, for goodness sake. the thing about this— take, for goodness sake. the thing about this stuff i said thing about this stuff is i said wehehty—they- thing about this stuff is i said probably, they used probably, you know, they used thet— probably, you know, they used that—signalling. that phrase virtue signalling a lot that phrase virtue signalling a tet-heehte— that phrase virtue signalling a lot-people-sickl that phrase virtue signalling a. lot-people-sick of lot and people get quite sick of it lot and people get quite sick of tt heeee— lot and people get quite sick of it because it's— lot and people get quite sick of it because it's become a bit of a it because it's become a bit of eettehe— it because it's become a bit of e ettehe. vee— it because it's become a bit of a cliche. yes, but— it because it's become a bit of a cliche. yes, but that kind of thee. — a cliche. yes, but that kind of thee. _th- a cliche. yes, but that kind of thing. _it? you. thing. what else is it? you thew.— thing. what else is it? you thew-het- thing. what else is it? you know, not making know, you're not making any yee— know, you're not making any yew-te—thhtel know, you're not making any. you're—things better you're not making things better .—eetwetty.- . no, you're not, actually, heeee— . no, you're not, actually, because-hard. . no, you're not, actually,j because-hard to because it's quite hard to etteee— because it's quite hard to address-issue. because it's quite hard to. address-issue like address a serious issue like temeette— address a serious issue like domestic violence. address a serious issue like- domestic violence. _hard domestic violence. and it's hard to domestic violence. and it's hardj te—weth to walk in high heels to. well, thet— to walk in high heels to. well, thet te— to walk in high heels to. well, that is true. yeah. - to walk in high heels to. well, that is true. yeah. it- to walk in high heels to. �*fthiee yeah. . that is true. yeah. it ruins your feet, but it was always the person in the front of the line,

arguably the head of arguably could be the head of the council that the council or whoever that is. yes. prancing. yeah. it yes. is a and prancing. yeah. it looks insulting a little bit. it looks insulting a little bit. it looks mocking women looks like he's mocking women a little they all are little bit. yeah. they all are mocking that. but then mocking women in that. but then when walk in mocking women in that. but then when-walk in high— mocking women in that. but then when-walk in high heels,- when you walk in high heels, it's difficult— when you walk in high heels, it's difficult to— when you walk in high heels, it's difficult to walk in any ether— it's difficult to walk in any other—prance. it's difficult to walk in any. other—prance. isn't other way than a prance. isn't it? other way than a prance. isn't tte-heeewee— other way than a prance. isn't it?-because it's- other way than a prance. isn't it? because it's hard. it? like, because it's hard. tte— it? like, because it's hard.- tt-e—heh it's like wearing stilts. yeah, eheetwtety. — it's like wearing stilts. yeah, absolutely. think i think absolutely. but i think i think you're very you're both being very dismissive and, you you're both being very dismispeople and, you you're both being very dismispeople been/ou you're both being very dismispeople been mocking know, people have been mocking this, one action this, but this one action actually completely ended domestic yeah. domestic violence. yeah. so i think round of applause to think a round of applause to these canadian politicians be applauding there there applauding all alone there there i yeah. applauding all alone there there i yeah . okay. and i think. yeah. okay. and thetty— i think. yeah. okay. and thetty. why— i think. yeah. okay. and finally, why did- yeah. okay. and finally, why did hollywood star hew— finally, why did hollywood star hew tutt— finally, why did hollywood star paul rudd turn— finally, why did hollywood star paul rudd turn up in a pub in wememe— paul rudd turn up in a pub in wrexham? apparently it's eemethht— wrexham? apparently it's something to— wrexham? apparently it's something to do with football, whteh— something to do with football, whteh-my— something to do with football, which my favourite which is not my favourite ewhteet— which is not my favourite subject het— which is not my favourite subject, but let's have a look. thywey— subject, but let's have a look. thywey .— subject, but let's have a look. thywey . eh— subject, but let's have a look. thywey . eh hy— subject, but let's have a look. anyway . oh by the way . anyway. oh by the way. everywhere— anyway. oh by the way. everywhere we go , kwasi . okay, everywhere we go, kwasi. okay, so everywhere we go, kwasi. okay, ee hew— everywhere we go, kwasi. okay, ee hew tutt— everywhere we go, kwasi. okay, ee hew twtt .— everywhere we go, kwasi. okay, so paul rudd , what was he in? so paul rudd, what was he in? every— so paul rudd, what was he in? they heh— so paul rudd, what was he in? they veeh. he— so paul rudd, what was he in? every yeah, he was— so paul rudd, what was he in? every yeah, he was in- so paul rudd, what was he in? every yeah, he was in the- so paul rudd, what was he in? h/tict“ i“ £50 every yeah, he was in the 30 year old virgin . was he. i think

year old virgin. was he. i think so, yeah. he's one of those eetehhttee— so, yeah. he's one of those celebrities that— so, yeah. he's one of those celebrities that you - gilt?“ he's one of those celebrities that you see him eyew— celebrities that you see him every ew— celebrities that you see him every eht— celebrities that you see him every now and then and he's innocuous. yeah,— every now and then and he's innocuous. yeah, he's not i mean tm— innocuous. yeah, he's not i mean t-m het— innocuous. yeah, he's not i mean m net hehe— innocuous. yeah, he's not i mean i'm not being offensive. i mean, yew— i'm not being offensive. i mean, yew teh-t— i'm not being offensive. i mean, yew teh-t eeetty— i'm not being offensive. i mean, you don't really recognise him. heh— you don't really recognise him. veeh— — you don't really recognise him. veeh— heh- you don't really recognise him. yeah_ he's beenl you don't really recognise him.i yeah_ he's been in yeah particularly. he's been in a stuff. he's done a lot a lot of stuff. he's done a lot of stuff. what's doing here? of stuff. what's he doing here? cetehtetht— of stuff. what's he doing here? celebratinglfootball- celebrating a football match. it's celebrating a football match. tt-e-thht.— celebrating a football match. tt-e-thht. se- celebrating a football match. it's thing. so, ryan it's an old thing. so, ryan tteyhette— it's an old thing. so, ryan reynolds owns— it's an old thing. so, ryan reynolds owns wrexham, along wtth — reynolds owns wrexham, along wtth _eetee- reynolds owns wrexham, along wtth—etteee. - reynolds owns wrexham, along with _actors . i - reynolds owns wrexham, along. with—actors . i think with some other actors. i think ttheteee— with some other actors. i think ttheteee .— with some other actors. i think ttheteee . the— with some other actors. i think liberace , the dog that played liberace, the dog that played lassie and. yeah and some of the animations in toy story owned wrexham. and it's a football club and they beat borehamwood out and it's big news apparently. and they're real tee— apparently. and they're real tee we— apparently. and they're real teams. are they— apparently. and they're real teams. are they ?- ”c: and they're real teams. are they ? the real teams teams. are they? the real teams play— teams. are they? the real teams htey teethett— teams. are they? the real teams hteyteethett. — teams. are they? the real teams play football . they— teams. are they? the real teams play football . “cat i ”cc play football. they scored goals. okay so it's actually a real sporting underdog story which which is handy because they've already got an introduction. okay. well, it's twte— introduction. okay. well, it's twte eteee— introduction. okay. well, it's quite clear that— :i“ okay. well, it's quite clear that nobody on this hehet— quite clear that nobody on this hehet thewe— quite clear that nobody on this panel knows anything about teethett— panel knows anything about football, so— panel knows anything about football, so we'll quickly move on football, so we'll quickly move en te— football, so we'll quickly move en te thte— football, so we'll quickly move en te thte heet— football, so we'll quickly move on to this part of— football, so we'll quickly move on to this part of the show. we heemetty—eti normally talk through some of yew— normally talk through some of your-dilemmas- normally talk through some of your dilemmas and you your unfiltered dilemmas and you hewe—emettet- your unfiltered dilemmas and you have—emailed in- your unfiltered dilemmas and you have emailed in your have very kindly emailed in your wehteme—te- have very kindly emailed in your problems._is fromi problems. this first one is from teet— problems. this first one is from jack eht— problems. this first one is from teet eht he-e— problems. this first one is from jack and he's actually said,

shewt— jack and he's actually said, shewtt t— jack and he's actually said, shewtt t hwy— jack and he's actually said, should i buy louis schaefer's eetehtete— should i buy louis schaefer's eetehtete t— should i buy louis schaefer's calendar? i think— should i buy louis schaefer's calendar? i think he's really ttehy— calendar? i think he's really ttehy. hw— calendar? i think he's really ttehy. hwt tm— calendar? i think he's really dishy, but i'm a— calendar? i think he's really dishy, but i'm a non—militant ete— dishy, but i'm a non—militant veaneg hy— dishy, but i'm a non—militant veaneg hy the— dishy, but i'm a non—militant vegan, by the way. he won't like thet— vegan, by the way. he won't like thet htetwe— vegan, by the way. he won't like that picture because that was hehee— that picture because that was hetete he— that picture because that was before he lost— that picture because that was before he lost all the weight. are before he lost all the weight. we yew— before he lost all the weight. we yet we— before he lost all the weight. are you sure ? i'm. - before he lost all the weight. fti sfti 7’ i'm. before he lost all the weight. fti gifti 7’ i'm. are you sure? i'm. i'm pretty sure . obviously from last week, sure. obviously from last week, right? yeah. yeah louis schaefer hee. — right? yeah. yeah louis schaefer hee. hee— right? yeah. yeah louis schaefer has. he's created— right? yeah. yeah louis schaefer has. he's created this— ”g 7 / / louis schaefer has. he's created this calendar tet.— has. he's created this calendar tet. tte— has. he's created this calendar he. he very— has. he's created this calendar he. he very-t- has. he's created this calendar for. it's very i don't for. it's very bizarre. i don't teetty— for. it's very bizarre. i don't really understand what it is. m — really understand what it is. m net— really understand what it is. m not quite— really understand what it is. i'm not quite sure— really understand what it is. i'm not quite sure why- really understand what it is. i'm not quite sure why it's funny, it is funny. but funny, but it is funny. but i can't why. it is kind of can't tell why. it is kind of they.— can't tell why. it is kind of teeny-heh- can't tell why. it is kind of funny.-yeah. do- can't tell why. it is kind of funny.-yeah. do we. funny. yeah. yeah. do we have ttme— funny. yeah. yeah. do we have ttme tet— funny. yeah. yeah. do we have time for another— funny. yeah. yeah. do we have time for another unfiltered tttemmee— time for another unfiltered dilemma? apparently we don't. so tethe— dilemma? apparently we don't. so tehe te— dilemma? apparently we don't. so tehe te teet— dilemma? apparently we don't. so we're going to just chat about hewe— we're going to just chat about louis—another- we're going to just chat abouti louis—another £33 louis schaefer for another £33 for louis schaefer for another £33 tet e— louis schaefer for another £33 for a calendar— louis schaefer for another £33 for a calendar is— louis schaefer for another £33 for a calendar is just i'd buy it for a calendar is just i'd buy tt tt— for a calendar is just i'd buy tt tt tt— for a calendar is just i'd buy tt tt tt ee— for a calendar is just i'd buy it if it was a— for a calendar is just i'd buy it if it was a tenner, but ehheeehtty— it if it was a tenner, but apparently that's more it apparently that's more than it teete— apparently that's more than it costs-publish. _ apparently that's more than it costs publish. i costs to publish. by the way. i ehewt— costs to publish. by the way. i ehewt-thet— costs to publish. by the way. i should .that-schaefer,| should say that louis schaefer, the—hee— should say that louis schaefer, the—he-e teet- should say that louis schaefer, the—he's lost all. the reason why he's lost all the— the reason why he's lost all the-te— the reason why he's lost all this-is because- the reason why he's lost all this is because he only this weight is because he only eete— this weight is because he only eete-hew— this weight is because he only eats-now and- this weight is because he only eats-now and all- this weight is because he only eats now and all meat. eats meat now and all meat. veeh. — eats meat now and all meat. veeh. .ett— eats meat now and all meat. yeah. .allidoes- eats meat now and all meat. yeah. all does every yeah. and all he does every day on yeah. and all he does every day eh-heet— yeah. and all he does every day eh-heet tmetee- yeah. and all he does every day on-post images-raw on twitter is post images of raw meet— on twitter is post images of raw meet-eew— on twitter is post images of raw meet-hew ette— on twitter is post images of raw meat-raw eggs and- on twitter is post images of raw meat raw eggs and say, look meat with raw eggs and say, look at meat with raw eggs and say, look et—teet— at my breakfast, look how wenteetwh— at my breakfast, look howi wonderful._the at my breakfast, look how- wonderful. _the yolks wonderful. i only eat the yolks and he's not sure why is it going to break into song. but yes, he only eats the yolks and raw controlling raw meat and he is controlling his kidney. and by if his kidney. and by the way, if you— his kidney. and by the way, if yew went— his kidney. and by the way, if yew wehtleee—

his kidney. and by the way, if you want-see what- i“ t: “cat and by the way, if you want see what louis you want to see what louis seheetet— you want to see what louis schaefer looks— you want to see what louis schaefer looks like, he's going to schaefer looks like, he's going te he— schaefer looks like, he's going te he hete— schaefer looks like, he's going to be here tonight on headliners.- to be here tonight on- headliners-sure headliners. so make sure that you— headliners. so make sure that| yew—yew you watch that. but thank you for you watch that. but thank you tet—teee- you watch that. but thank you for_ free speech i for joining us for free speech wetteh— for joining us for free speech wettehlthte— for joining us for free speech nation .this-the- for joining us for free speech nation this the week when nation on this was the week when hemme— nation on this was the week when hemhte teeh— nation on this was the week when dominic raab lost— nation on this was the week when dominic raab lost his job. elon heet— dominic raab lost his job. elon weet-heetet— dominic raab lost his job. elon musk-rocket and- dominic raab lost his job. eloni musk-rocket and-lost musk lost his rocket and we lost the—there. - the brilliant hello there. weteeme— the brilliant hello there. welcome - latest . the brilliant hello there. - welcome-latest update welcome to your latest update from jonathan from the metal fryston jonathan vautrey. after a mixed setup throughout the weekend, we are going to retain that theme at least into the start of new least into the start of the new working week as well. low pressure going pressure is still going to be with monday, though with us into monday, even though it's way off it's slowly drifting its way off to it is allowing, to the east. it is allowing, though, of northerly air though, a feed of northerly air to way in. so to push its way in. so temperatures are going to be falling pretty much all falling down for pretty much all of will allow snow to of us. that will allow snow to fall over the grampians and higher scotland higher ground of scotland throughout saturday night's sleep lower levels as well. sleep to lower levels as well. further rain for northern ireland, but generally across england the showers england and wales the showers will off a bit more, will fade off a bit more, allowing clearer intervals allowing some clearer intervals to develop a patchy frost is to develop and a patchy frost is possible , particularly across possible, particularly across some scotland some central areas of scotland and rain from northern and the rain from northern ireland will shift its way into wales and southwest england as we throughout motty we head throughout monday. motty evening. cloud will evening. and then the cloud will build central southern

build into central and southern areas later on into build into central and southern aret'afternoon. later on into build into central and southern aret'afternoon. someer on into build into central and southern aret'afternoon. some clearer,o the afternoon. some clearer, sunnier intervals for the northern half of the uk, but still with a scattering of showers, particularly in the north and the east, where they could it is could still be wintry, it is going quite blustery going to be quite blustery across and eastern across northern and eastern coasts throughout and coasts throughout monday and feeling quite chilly if feeling really quite chilly if you are exposed that cold you are exposed to that cold even underneath the persistent cloud further south as well . cloud further south as well. this rain then pushing its way through for monday evening. so a damp end to the day, particularly parts of particularly across parts of sussex but eventually sussex and kent, but eventually clearing way off. and a clearing its way off. and a number of clear intervals will develop into monday night. that, though, going to allow though, is going to allow temperatures really plummet . temperatures to really plummet. and expecting a much more and we are expecting a much more widespread and widespread frost to develop and really quite a cold start to tuesday morning. it does, though , mean that there'll be a good amount of sunshine to start off the day and once that helps heat things bit more, it will be things up a bit more, it will be a more pleasant day, a relatively more pleasant day, particularly monday particularly compared to monday with of sunny with a good amount of sunny intervals. for many, the winds easing in the east as well, easing down in the east as well, but still a scattering of

showers to contend the showers to contend with. the outbreaks to return outbreaks of rain look to return as we move towards the middle part but part of the week. but temperatures will also be on the rise by

by it's 9:00 and this is mark dolan tonight night in my big opinion following the departure of dominic raab will home secretary suella braverman be next? her great crime wanting to- 7 her great crime wanting to stop the heete— great crime wanting to stop the heete e— great crime wanting to stop the heete e tte— great crime wanting to stop the heete h we my— great crime wanting to stop the boats ? it's my view that if she boats? it's my view that if she teee— boats? it's my view that if she teee tteht — boats? it's my view that if she goes rishi sunak_ boats? it's my view that if she goes rishi sunak will lose the next— goes rishi sunak will lose the next election— goes rishi sunak will lose the next election in— goes rishi sunak will lose the next election in the big story tettewht— next election in the big story following her— next election in the big story following her horrific comments whteehteyhe— following her horrific comments underplaying anti—semitism and te— underplaying anti—semitism and racism to other— underplaying anti—semitism and racism to other minority groups, ehewt— racism to other minority groups, ehewt htehe— racism to other minority groups, should diane abbott be expelled ttem— should diane abbott be expelled teem the— should diane abbott be expelled from the labour— should diane abbott be expelled from the labour party ? ll from the labour party? i'll be whethe— from the labour party? i'll be eheetma te— from the labour party? i'll be speaking to the— from the labour party? i'll be speaking to the editor of the jewish chronicle and the political activist who ran against jeremy corbyn in islington north. my guest is

former tory mp