by it's 9:00 and this is mark dolan tonight night in my big opinion following the departure of dominic raab will home secretary suella braverman be next? her great crime wanting to- , her great crime wanting to stop the boats— great crime wanting to stop the boats 7— great crime wanting to stop the boats 7 n-s— great crime wanting to stop the boats 7 n-s my— great crime wanting to stop the boats ? it's my view that if she boats? it's my view that if she goes— boats? it's my view that if she goes rism — boats? it's my view that if she goes rishi sunak_ boats? it's my view that if she goes rishi sunak will lose the next— goes rishi sunak will lose the next election— goes rishi sunak will lose the next election in— goes rishi sunak will lose the next election in the big story following— next election in the big story following her— next election in the big story following her horrific comments underptaying— following her horrific comments underplaying anti—semitism and to— underplaying anti—semitism and racism to other— underplaying anti—semitism and racism to other minority groups, should— racism to other minority groups, should mane— racism to other minority groups, should diane abbott be expelled from— should diane abbott be expelled from the— should diane abbott be expelled from the labour— should diane abbott be expelled from the labour party ? cc from the labour party? i'll be speaking— from the labour party? i'll be speaking to— from the labour party? i'll be speaking to the— from the labour party? i'll be speaking to the editor of the jewish chronicle and the political activist who ran against jeremy corbyn in islington north. my guest is

former tory mp under margaret thatcher. harvey proctor, a man falsely accused of murder during a disastrous police probe into claims of a vip ring in westminster. it was all fantasy . while this dreadful lie saw harvey— . while this dreadful lie saw harvey toss— . while this dreadful lie saw harvey lose his— while this dreadful lie saw harvey lose his job, his house and— harvey lose his job, his house and ms— harvey lose his job, his house and his livelihood , he tells his and his livelihood, he tells his incredible— and his livelihood, he tells his incredible and— and his livelihood, he tells his incredible and shocking story shortly— incredible and shocking story my. — incredible and shocking story shortly. ss— incredible and shocking story shortly. so a— incredible and shocking story shortly . ”cans incredible and shocking story shortly. so a really busy two hours to come. we'll be dealing with— hours to come. we'll be dealing with diane— hours to come. we'll be dealing with diane abbott,— hours to come. we'll be dealing with diane abbott, joe- f we'll be dealing with diane abbott, joe biden and susua— with diane abbott, joe biden and suella braverman— with diane abbott, joe biden and suella braverman . g with diane abbott, joe biden and suella braverman . 5g jg suella braverman. big, big stories.— suella braverman. big, big stories, big opinions . a big two stories, big opinions. a big two hours to come. first, the headunes hours to come. first, the headlines with ray addison . headlines with ray addison. thanks, mark. here's the latest from— thanks, mark. here's the latest from the— thanks, mark. here's the latest from the es— thanks, mark. here's the latest from the gb newsroom team. the government— from the gb newsroom team. the government is— from the gb newsroom team. the government is launching a review to government is launching a review so fine— government is launching a review so find out— government is launching a review so find out why— government is launching a review to find out why some mobile phone— to find out why some mobile pnene users— to find out why some mobile phone users did— to find out why some mobile phone users did not receive teeny-s— phone users did not receive today's emergency test alert . at today's emergency test alert. at 3 today's emergency test alert. at s en,— today's emergency test alert. at s nn, nest— today's emergency test alert. at 3 pm, most people received a

nessee— 3 pm, most people received a message on their— 3 pm, most people received a message on their home screen along— message on their home screen along enn— message on their home screen along wnn e— message on their home screen along with a sound and vibration for en— along with a sound and vibration for en es— along with a sound and vibration for up to ten— along with a sound and vibration for up to ten seconds. however users on some networks, needing— users on some networks, including three, did not. tnene-s— including three, did not. there's also— including three, did not. there's also been reports that some have not— there's also been reports that some have not been able to make or some have not been able to make on saus— some have not been able to make or receive calls since— some have not been able to make or receive calls since that test. — or receive calls since that test. deputy— or receive calls since that test. deputy prime minister enven— test. deputy prime minister oliver dowden_ test. deputy prime minister oliver dowden says the alert sente— oliver dowden says the alert sense seve— oliver dowden says the alert could save people's lives in future— could save people's lives in future .— could save people's lives in future . n-s— could save people's lives in future . it's the— could save people's lives in future . it's the case that this future. it's the case that this nes— future. it's the case that this nes been— future. it's the case that this has been developed with the national— has been developed with the national cyber— has been developed with the national cyber security centre, wnen— national cyber security centre, wnen ferns— national cyber security centre, which forms part— national cyber security centre, which forms part of gchq. “cat; which forms part of gchq. there enu— which forms part of gchq. there will be— which forms part of gchq. there will be e— which forms part of gchq. there will be a very— which forms part of gchq. there will be a very strict— which forms part of gchq. there will be a very strict procedures in place for its authorisation and it will only be used in a situation where your viewers lives are in danger. i'm determined that there is a very high bar for the usage of this. the prime minister has hailed the the prime minister has hailed ene neve— the prime minister has hailed the brave efforts— the prime minister has hailed the brave efforts of the uk's annea— the brave efforts of the uk's armed forces— the brave efforts of the uk's armed forces after they helped ennsn— armed forces after they helped british diplomats— armed forces after they helped british diplomats and their nannies— british diplomats and their families to— british diplomats and their families to escape fighting in seden— families to escape fighting in sneen. tney— families to escape fighting in sudan. they carried out complex, a connex— sudan. they carried out complex, a complex mission— sudan. they carried out complex, a complex mission in the capital messen— a complex mission in the capital khartoum, alongside other ewes— khartoum, alongside other allies, hundreds of civilians neve— allies, hundreds of civilians neve nee— allies, hundreds of civilians have died in— allies, hundreds of civilians have died in the violent censuse— have died in the violent conflict between the sudanese

army— conflict between the sudanese enny ene— conflict between the sudanese army and e— conflict between the sudanese army and a rival— conflict between the sudanese army and a rival paramilitary group— army and a rival paramilitary group .— army and a rival paramilitary 9roup . rerergn— army and a rival paramilitary group . foreign secretary james group. foreign secretary james creveny— group. foreign secretary james crereny says— group. foreign secretary james cleverly says the— group. foreign secretary james cleverly says the government is continuing— cleverly says the government is eenrrnnrng re— cleverly says the government is continuing to ensure the safety of continuing to ensure the safety or nnrrsn— continuing to ensure the safety of british nationals who remain in ne— of british nationals who remain in rne eennrry— of british nationals who remain in rne eennrry. — of british nationals who remain in the country . �*fr�*rz; " in the country. we have taken the decision to temporarily close the embassy and to relocate our embassy staff. that gives us a the best opportunity to project our diplomatic support back into sudan . but we support back into sudan. but we remain absolutely committed to support british nationals in sudan. support british nationals in sudan . we will do so in close sudan. we will do so in close coordination action with our international partners . but the international partners. but the best thing that we can do to support british nationals and indeed everyone in sudan is pushed. the generals involved in this conflict , to bring it to an this conflict, to bring it to an end and that will remain the priority of our diplomatic focus in the region . suella braverman in the region. suella braverman has been criticised by an algerian asylum seeker during an extinction rebellion protest outside the home office. 24 year old moon, who crossed- outside the home office. 24 year

old moon, who crossed the- old moon, who crossed the rngusn— old moon, who crossed the english channel in a small boat in december,— english channel in a small boat in december, said— english channel in a small boat in december, said no human is regen— in december, said no human is illegal. whilst— in december, said no human is illegal. whilst protesters enenree— illegal. whilst protesters chanted refugees are welcome nee.— chanted refugees are welcome nere. rne— chanted refugees are welcome here. the comments come after the here. the comments come after rne rene— here. the comments come after the home secretary said it's emeral— the home secretary said it's crucial that— the home secretary said it's crucial that the _ the home secretary said it's crucial that the government has the crucial that the government has rne newer— crucial that the government has rne newer re— crucial that the government has the power to deport migrants nrrnenr— the power to deport migrants without being— the power to deport migrants without being blocked by the european— without being blocked by the european court— without being blocked by the european court of human rights . european court of human rights. 11 european court of human rights. rr sneu— european court of human rights. 11 small boats— european court of human rights. 11 small boats carrying nearly soo— 11 small boats carrying nearly see people— 11 small boats carrying nearly 500 people made the dangerous crossing— 500 people made the dangerous crossing yesterday— 500 people made the dangerous crossing yesterday . diane abbott crossing yesterday. diane abbott has crossing yesterday. diane abbott nes been— crossing yesterday. diane abbott has been suspended as a labour mp penning— has been suspended as a labour mp generng en— has been suspended as a labour mp pending an investigation ener— mp pending an investigation are sne— mp pending an investigation after she claimed that jewish people— after she claimed that jewish people — after she claimed that jewish people ner— after she claimed that jewish people are not subject to racism . n— people are not subject to racism . rn en— people are not subject to racism . rn en enrere— people are not subject to racism . in an article for— people are not subject to racism . in an article for the observer ngwgpgpg.,_ . in an article for the observer newspaper, rne — . in an article for the observer newspaper, the former shadow renun— newspaper, the former shadow health secretary— newspaper, the former shadow health secretary said jewish people— health secretary said jewish people experienced prejudice ure— people experienced prejudice ure rnsn— people experienced prejudice like irish or— people experienced prejudice like irish or red— people experienced prejudice like irish or red headed people, but like irish or red headed people, be nor— like irish or red headed people, be nor reel— like irish or red headed people, but not real racism. she has se— but not real racism. she has since withdrawn— but not real racism. she has since withdrawn the remarks and apologised— since withdrawn the remarks and eneregrsee rer— since withdrawn the remarks and apologised for any— since withdrawn the remarks and apologised for any offence sense-e — apologised for any offence caused. however, the labour party— caused. however, the labour reny nes— caused. however, the labour party has called— caused. however, the labour party has called the comments deeply— party has called the comments deeply offensive— party has called the comments deeply offensive and wrong . and deeply offensive and wrong. and two deeply offensive and wrong. and rwe ne— deeply offensive and wrong. and two new pictures— deeply offensive and wrong. and two new pictures of prince louis neve— two new pictures of prince louis neve been— two new pictures of prince louis have been published as he

celebrates— have been published as he celebrates his— have been published as he celebrates his fifth birthday reneg— celebrates his fifth birthday reeey .— celebrates his fifth birthday reeey . nes— celebrates his fifth birthday today . he's been photographed today. he's been photographed being— today. he's been photographed nerng nnsnee— today. he's been photographed being pushed in— today. he's been photographed being pushed in a wheelbarrow by his being pushed in a wheelbarrow by nrs nun— being pushed in a wheelbarrow by nrs .— being pushed in a wheelbarrow by his mum . louis— being pushed in a wheelbarrow by his mum . louis is— being pushed in a wheelbarrow by his mum . louis is expected to his mum. louis is expected to accompany— his mum. louis is expected to accompany nrs— his mum. louis is expected to accompany his siblings in the procession— accompany his siblings in the procession from _ accompany his siblings in the procession from westminster abbey— procession from westminster abbey ennng— procession from westminster abbey during the king's coronation— abbey during the king's coronation next month . a it's coronation next month. a it's perenn— coronation next month. a it's probably tucked— coronation next month. a it's probably tucked up in bed right on w— probably tucked up in bed right en rv ,— probably tucked up in bed right now on tv , online on dab+ radio now on tv, online on dab+ radio ene— now on tv, online on dab+ radio end on— now on tv, online on dab+ radio end on rene— now on tv, online on dab+ radio end on rune g..— now on tv, online on dab+ radio and on tune in to— now on tv, online on dab+ radio and on tune in to this is gb news. — and on tune in to this is gb news. new— and on tune in to this is gb news. now let's— and on tune in to this is gb news. now let's get back to . mark my mark- my thanks merr- my thanks to merr— my thanks to ray addison, who's been— my thanks to ray addison, who's been in— my thanks to ray addison, who's been in en— my thanks to ray addison, who's back in an hour's— my thanks to ray addison, who's back in an hour's time. my thanks to ray addison, who's back in an hour's time . f back in an hour's time. welcome to e— back in an hour's time. welcome to e ren— back in an hour's time. welcome to e very busy— back in an hour's time. welcome to a very busy mark dolan tonight night. in my big opinion, following the departure of dominic raab will home secretary suella braverman be next her great crime wanting to stop the boats. it's my view that if she goes rishi sunak will lose the next election in the big story following her horrific comments underplaying

anti—semitism and racism towards other minority groups, should diane abbott be expelled from the labour party? i'll be speaking to the editor of the jewish chronicle and the political activist who ran against jeremy corbyn in islington . my mark meets guest islington. my mark meets guest is former tory mp under margaret thatcher. harvey proctor, a man falsely accused of murder during a disastrous police probe into claims of a vip ring in westminster. it was all fantasy. well this dreadful lie saw him lose his job, his house and his livelihood. he tells me his incredible and shocking story. shortly and he's told my team nothing is off the table. you won't want to miss harvey proctor before ten in the next hourin proctor before ten in the next hour in my take at ten, joe biden. will this week announce rner— biden. will this week announce rner ne— biden. will this week announce rner ne wensr — biden. will this week announce that he wants. wait— 3" will this week announce that he wants. wait for it enerner— that he wants. wait for it another four— that he wants. wait for it another four years in the white house — another four years in the white house mew— another four years in the white house may see— another four years in the white house. may god help us. my full reeewen— house. may god help us. my full reeewen er— house. may god help us. my full reaction at ten. _ house. may god help us. my full

reaction at ten. my— house. may god help us. my full reaction at ten. my newsmaker renrgnr— reaction at ten. my newsmaker renrgnr rs— reaction at ten. my newsmaker tonight is politics— reaction at ten. my newsmaker tonight is politics legend ann widdecombe._ tonight is politics legend ann widdecombe. i'll be asking ann wnerner— widdecombe. i'll be asking ann wnerner rne— widdecombe. i'll be asking ann whether the english should be more patriotic— whether the english should be more patriotic . _ whether the english should be more patriotic . ' r: whether the english should be more patriotic . h: whether the english should be more patriotic . 'r: rzprzg more patriotic. and with every mobile phone having received an alert at 3 pm. today, or at least most mobile phones, should the government stay out of our lives ? mark dolan tonight is the lives? mark dolan tonight is the home of the papers with tomorrow's front pages from 1030 with three top pundits who haven't been told what to say and who don't follow the script. tonight, polly toynbee albie amankona and jo—anne nadler tonight , amankona and jo—anne nadler tonight, i'll be asking the punst tonight, i'll be asking the pundits as we celebrate saint george's day. is it time for an rngusn— george's day. is it time for an english parliament?- log; “jean is it time for an english parliament? should all gennwng— english parliament? should all generrng ens— english parliament? should all gambling ads be— english parliament? should all gambling ads be banned ? and gambling ads be banned? and wowe— gambling ads be banned? and would wen— gambling ads be banned? and would you ever— gambling ads be banned? and would you ever tell a friend or a would you ever tell a friend or e levee— would you ever tell a friend or e levee ne— would you ever tell a friend or a loved one if— would you ever tell a friend or a loved one if they— would you ever tell a friend or a loved one if they were being sneeree— a loved one if they were being sneeree ene— a loved one if they were being cheated on? plus,— a loved one if they were being cheated on? plus, your emails, esneereuw— cheated on? plus, your emails, esneereuw rne — cheated on? plus, your emails, especially the spicy ones. mark gb especially the spicy ones. mark en wews— especially the spicy ones. mark en wews wk.— especially the spicy ones. mark gb news .uk. and— especially the spicy ones. mark gb news .uk. and this show has a golden— gb news .uk. and this show has a golden rule.— gb news .uk. and this show has a golden rwe. we— gb news .uk. and this show has a golden rule. we don't do boring. not golden rule. we don't do boring. new on— golden rule. we don't do boring. new on my— golden rule. we don't do boring. not on my watch. _ golden rule. we don't do boring. not on my watch. i— golden rule. we don't do boring. not on my watch. i just won't newe— not on my watch. i just won't newe n.— not on my watch. i just won't newe r. us— not on my watch. i just won't have it. it's the— not on my watch. i just won't have it. it's the end of the weekend— have it. it's the end of the weekend .— have it. it's the end of the weekend , so— have it. it's the end of the weekend , so let's go out with weekend, so let's go out with a deng— weekend, so let's go out with a neng sneu—

weekend, so let's go out with a bang, shall we? _ weekend, so let's go out with a bang, shall we? 'r: weekend, so let's go out with a bang, shall we? r: weekend, so let's go out with a bang, shall we? ' “2 bang, shall we? and we start with my big opinion . now, with my big opinion. now, whether or not he's really guilty of outrageous bullying . guilty of outrageous bullying. the departure of dominic raab as justice— the departure of dominic raab as justice secretary— the departure of dominic raab as justice secretary and deputy prime— justice secretary and deputy prime minister— justice secretary and deputy prime minister is a scalp for dose— prime minister is a scalp for dose dwd— prime minister is a scalp for those civil servants less than ween— those civil servants less than keen on— those civil servants less than keen on we— those civil servants less than keen on the government's nodded— keen on the government's political agenda, having drawn weed,— political agenda, having drawn weed, dds— political agenda, having drawn blood, it's pretty— political agenda, having drawn blood, it's pretty clear who we— blood, it's pretty clear who rnew — blood, it's pretty clear who they are. hostile media and the end— they are. hostile media and the civil servants— they are. hostile media and the civil servants will— they are. hostile media and the civil servants will be setting new— civil servants will be setting new signs— civil servants will be setting their sights on— civil servants will be setting their sights on next. the reedess— their sights on next. the fearless and— their sights on next. the fearless and feisty home seerererw— fearless and feisty home secretary, suella braverman , who secretary, suella braverman, who has secretary, suella braverman, who nes srered— secretary, suella braverman, who has staked her— secretary, suella braverman, who has staked her reputation and burn— has staked her reputation and burn ner— has staked her reputation and built her entire— has staked her reputation and built her entire political brand end— built her entire political brand around one policy stop the boats now . sometimes— around one policy stop the boats now . sometimes her around one policy stop the boats now. sometimes her language can be e— now. sometimes her language can be e bdr— now. sometimes her language can be e bdr dwnsw— now. sometimes her language can be a bit clumsy and,— now. sometimes her language can be a bit clumsy and, in my view, needbessw— be a bit clumsy and, in my view, needlessly inflame— be a bit clumsy and, in my view, needlessly inflame oratory. but nondes— needlessly inflame oratory. but bebdes rs— needlessly inflame oratory. but politics is all— needlessly inflame oratory. but politics is all about messaging end— politics is all about messaging end we— politics is all about messaging and the message— politics is all about messaging and the message from braverman is and the message from braverman ds refresndng— and the message from braverman ds refresndng .— and the message from braverman is refreshing , clear— and the message from braverman is refreshing , clear in a world is refreshing, clear in a world of bombs— is refreshing, clear in a world of politics, those— is refreshing, clear in a world of politics, those who are nebbresr— of politics, those who are happiest resting their backsides on be— happiest resting their backsides on be dense— happiest resting their backsides on the fence suella braverman

dr— on the fence suella braverman b es— on the fence suella braverman b es ner— on the fence suella braverman sees it as her political raison debe— sees it as her political raison d-ewe re— sees it as her political raison d'etre to tackle— sees it as her political raison d'etre to tackle the illegal ndgrenr— d'etre to tackle the illegal migrant crossings. and although she migrant crossings. and although sne new— migrant crossings. and although sne new ner— migrant crossings. and although she may not speak in the measured tone,- she may not speak in the measured tone, you'd expect from a measured tone, you'd expect from e reb— measured tone, you'd expect from e reb dewwer— measured tone, you'd expect from e reb bewwer end— measured tone, you'd expect from a top lawyer and she is a top dewwen— a top lawyer and she is a top dewwen sne— a top lawyer and she is a top lawyer, she knows exactly what sne-s— lawyer, she knows exactly what sne-s ddng. — lawyer, she knows exactly what she's doing. she— lawyer, she knows exactly what she's doing. she knows the dubbe— she's doing. she knows the public ee— she's doing. she knows the public are angry and have had enewgn— public are angry and have had enewgn .— public are angry and have had enewgn . and— public are angry and have had enough . and this— public are angry and have had enough . and this issue goes enough. and this issue goes beyond— enough. and this issue goes beyond ner— enough. and this issue goes beyond her own— enough. and this issue goes beyond her own position. it sourd— beyond her own position. it sewbd seed— beyond her own position. it could seal rishi— beyond her own position. it could seal rishi sunaks fate, bee.— could seal rishi sunaks fate, be. and— could seal rishi sunaks fate, be. and be— could seal rishi sunaks fate, too. and the outcome of the next election— too. and the outcome of the next edeeden .— too. and the outcome of the next election . writing— too. and the outcome of the next election . writing in— too. and the outcome of the next election . writing in this election. writing in this weekend-s— election. writing in this weekend's telegraph , braverman weekend's telegraph, braverman sdgnebs— weekend's telegraph, braverman sdgnebsrner— weekend's telegraph, braverman signals that she's— weekend's telegraph, braverman signals that she's prepared to ignore— signals that she's prepared to ignore european— signals that she's prepared to ignore european judges to start debeneden— ignore european judges to start deportation flights to rwanda . deportation flights to rwanda. the deportation flights to rwanda. rne done— deportation flights to rwanda. the home secretary said proposed powers for— the home secretary said proposed new powers for ministers to ddsregerd— new powers for ministers to disregard card— new powers for ministers to disregard card temporary injunctions— disregard card temporary injunctions by the european conn— injunctions by the european seen or— injunctions by the european court of human— injunctions by the european court of human rights were needed— court of human rights were needed re— court of human rights were crucial to delivering what was, beds— crucial to delivering what was, beds ner— crucial to delivering what was, let's not forget,— crucial to delivering what was, let's not forget, a— crucial to delivering what was, let's not forget, a manifesto commitment— let's not forget, a manifesto commitment to— let's not forget, a manifesto commitment to tackle this crisis . rne— commitment to tackle this crisis . rne dbegeb— commitment to tackle this crisis . the illegal migrant crossings in my— . the illegal migrant crossings n my wew— . the illegal migrant crossings are, in my view, three things as an economic , national security an economic, national security end— an economic, national security and humanitarian— an economic, national security and humanitarian disaster.

an economic, national security and humanitarian disaster . just and humanitarian disaster. just reeendw— and humanitarian disaster. just reeendw dds— and humanitarian disaster. just recently, it's been— and humanitarian disaster. just recently, it's been revealed rner— recently, it's been revealed rner g— recently, it's been revealed that 19 suspected terrorists newe — that 19 suspected terrorists newe been— that 19 suspected terrorists have been among those who have nede— have been among those who have nede rner— have been among those who have made that perilous— have been among those who have made that perilous journey . made that perilous journey. wnere— made that perilous journey. wnere ee— made that perilous journey. where are they— made that perilous journey. where are they now and what are web— where are they now and what are rnedr bdens— where are they now and what are rnedr bdens rer— where are they now and what are their plans for this— where are they now and what are their plans for this country ? their plans for this country? dds— their plans for this country? rr-s en— their plans for this country? it's an economic— their plans for this country? it's an economic emergency , too, it's an economic emergency, too, as it's an economic emergency, too, es ndgrenrs— it's an economic emergency, too, es nrgrenrs ee— it's an economic emergency, too, as migrants are housed in hotels rnbeedng— as migrants are housed in hotels rnbeerrng rnese— as migrants are housed in hotels impacting those communities and nesting— impacting those communities and eesdng rne— impacting those communities and costing the british— impacting those communities and costing the british taxpayer a seed— costing the british taxpayer a seed ee— costing the british taxpayer a cool £6 million— costing the british taxpayer a cool £6 million a day. and it's a humanitarian— cool £6 million a day. and it's a humanitarian disaster, too, as rnewsends— a humanitarian disaster, too, as rnewsends every— a humanitarian disaster, too, as thousands every year risk their lives— thousands every year risk their lives in— thousands every year risk their lives in small— thousands every year risk their lives in small boats , enriching lives in small boats, enriching the international— lives in small boats, enriching the international gangster who are the international gangster who newng— the international gangster who are making millions off the back of are making millions off the back or wner— are making millions off the back or we rs— are making millions off the back of what is effectively human rendering. — of what is effectively human trafficking. those crossing come fren— trafficking. those crossing come from e— trafficking. those crossing come from e sere— trafficking. those crossing come from a safe country. france and undr— from a safe country. france and wnrd reeendw— from a safe country. france and until recently, many of their nbe— until recently, many of their number were— until recently, many of their number were young albanian men . number were young albanian men. it's number were young albanian men. rr-s weren— number were young albanian men. it's worth remembering that adbende— it's worth remembering that abbende rs— it's worth remembering that albania is not— it's worth remembering that albania is not a— it's worth remembering that albania is not a war torn neunde— albania is not a war torn neunde .— albania is not a war torn hellhole , and- albania is not a war torn hellhole , and they haven't had hellhole, and they haven't had ndbrew— hellhole, and they haven't had military conflict— hellhole, and they haven't had military conflict for a quarter of military conflict for a quarter or e— military conflict for a quarter or e eenrwrw — military conflict for a quarter of a century. let's be honest, abbende— of a century. let's be honest, abbende rs— of a century. let's be honest, albania is more— of a century. let's be honest, albania is more peaceful than the albania is more peaceful than be rsde— albania is more peaceful than be be or— albania is more peaceful than the isle of wight— albania is more peaceful than the isle of wight . those who do the isle of wight. those who do newe— the isle of wight. those who do newe rne— the isle of wight. those who do have the money— the isle of wight. those who do have the money to— the isle of wight. those who do have the money to pay these evil gengsrers— have the money to pay these evil gengsrers wns— have the money to pay these evil gangsters who advertise their gnn— gangsters who advertise their gnn serwee— gangsters who advertise their grim service on— gangsters who advertise their grim service on tiktok and

rnsregren — grim service on tiktok and instagram are— grim service on tiktok and instagram are bankrolling a dinner— instagram are bankrolling a criminal business model with blood— criminal business model with blood on— criminal business model with bdeed en dds— criminal business model with blood on its hands. they're also jumping— blood on its hands. they're also g-wnbrng ene— blood on its hands. they're also jumping the queue ahead of many rnewsends— jumping the queue ahead of many rnewsends er— jumping the queue ahead of many thousands of people who deserve and thousands of people who deserve end nwsr— thousands of people who deserve end nwsr newe— thousands of people who deserve and must have asylum in this sewnrrw— and must have asylum in this sewnrrw n— and must have asylum in this sewnrrw n es— and must have asylum in this country. it was the three words of country. it was the three words or ger— country. it was the three words or ger breed— country. it was the three words of get brexit done— country. it was the three words of get brexit done which decided the of get brexit done which decided be redeemed— of get brexit done which decided the outcome of— of get brexit done which decided the outcome of the— of get brexit done which decided the outcome of the last election end— the outcome of the last election end in— the outcome of the last election end in new— the outcome of the last election end in new or— the outcome of the last election and in may or october of next yeah— and in may or october of next ween bree— and in may or october of next year, three new— and in may or october of next year, three new ones will be resenedng— year, three new ones will be resenedng en— year, three new ones will be resonating on the doorsteps of bnredn— resonating on the doorsteps of bnredn .— resonating on the doorsteps of bnredn . sreb— resonating on the doorsteps of britain . stop the— resonating on the doorsteps of britain . stop the boats now. britain. stop the boats now. braverman is— britain. stop the boats now. braverman is braver than most . dds— braverman is braver than most . rr-s ny— braverman is braver than most men . it's my view— braverman is braver than most men . it's my view that, as with men. it's my view that, as with wergerer— men. it's my view that, as with margaret thatcher,— men. it's my view that, as with margaret thatcher, braverman wru— margaret thatcher, braverman will prove— margaret thatcher, braverman we prove you— margaret thatcher, braverman will prove you don't have to be bender— will prove you don't have to be bender re— will prove you don't have to be bender re win— will prove you don't have to be popular to win respect or to win newer.— popular to win respect or to win newer. rnsreed,— popular to win respect or to win power. instead, tell— popular to win respect or to win power. instead, tell voters what wee— power. instead, tell voters what we gerng— power. instead, tell voters what we gerng re— power. instead, tell voters what we gerng be de— power. instead, tell voters what you're going to do and get on end— you're going to do and get on end de— you're going to do and get on end de de— you're going to do and get on end de b es— you're going to do and get on and do it as well— you're going to do and get on and do it as well as a rump of eedwsr— and do it as well as a rump of activist civil— and do it as well as a rump of activist civil servants in the bene— activist civil servants in the home office _ activist civil servants in the home office who have used noticeboards— home office who have used noticeboards to— home office who have used noticeboards to contradict gewernnenr— noticeboards to contradict government policy. there are nbenrw— government policy. there are nbenrw er— government policy. there are nbenrw er nrgn— government policy. there are plenty of high profile media figures— plenty of high profile media figures, including a few famous seeds— figures, including a few famous sports presenters— figures, including a few famous sports presenters who would love to sports presenters who would love be see— sports presenters who would love be ene— sports presenters who would love to see the back— sports presenters who would love to see the back of— sports presenters who would love to see the back of braverman beewse— to see the back of braverman beewse sne— to see the back of braverman because she is— to see the back of braverman

because she is the antithesis of the because she is the antithesis of be weren— because she is the antithesis of the north london— because she is the antithesis of the north london based political and the north london based political end nede— the north london based political and media elite— the north london based political and media elite who can afford luxury— and media elite who can afford luxury bebers— and media elite who can afford luxury beliefs like an effective eben— luxury beliefs like an effective eben berders— luxury beliefs like an effective open borders policy . why? open borders policy. why? besense— open borders policy. why? because they— open borders policy. why? because they are financially and in bresdseb— because they are financially and in practical terms— because they are financially and in practical terms ,_ because they are financially and in practical terms , shielded in practical terms, shielded fren— in practical terms, shielded bren des— in practical terms, shielded from its consequences . as bravo from its consequences. as bravo semen-s— from its consequences. as bravo ornen-s besnden— from its consequences. as bravo oman's position might be unfashionable_ oman's position might be unfashionable in islington, but the unfashionable in islington, but be neg-enn— unfashionable in islington, but be neg-enrw er— unfashionable in islington, but the majority of brits find the sneeds— the majority of brits find the sneeds end — the majority of brits find the chaotic and sometimes tragic ddeged— chaotic and sometimes tragic illegal crossings— chaotic and sometimes tragic illegal crossings unacceptable in illegal crossings unacceptable n e— illegal crossings unacceptable in e rnernde— illegal crossings unacceptable in a modern, democratic and embed— in a modern, democratic and civilised country— in a modern, democratic and civilised country .— in a modern, democratic and civilised country . she may be civilised country. she may be sne— civilised country. she may be be news— civilised country. she may be the next target— civilised country. she may be the next target following the demise— the next target following the political demise of dominic reeb— political demise of dominic beeb, bnr— political demise of dominic beeb, bnr b— political demise of dominic raab, but if she— political demise of dominic raab, but if she does what she sews— raab, but if she does what she sews sne-s— raab, but if she does what she sews sne-s gerng— raab, but if she does what she says she's going to do, she wen-r— says she's going to do, she went be— says she's going to do, she wen-r be gerng— says she's going to do, she won't be going anywhere. if braverman stops the boats , there braverman stops the boats, there wru— braverman stops the boats, there will be— braverman stops the boats, there will be ne— braverman stops the boats, there will be no stopping . will be no stopping. her bnbbenr— will be no stopping. her brilliant stuff- will be no stopping. her brilliant stuff i've dashed across our studio. that's my newe— across our studio. that's my nede ndnd — across our studio. that's my little mini london marathon wneds— little mini london marathon

wneds wenr— little mini london marathon what's your view? do you agree? do what's your view? do you agree? be wen— what's your view? do you agree? be wen drsegreee— what's your view? do you agree? do you disagree? mark gb news .db — do you disagree? mark gb news .db ru— do you disagree? mark gb news .db rd ger— do you disagree? mark gb news .db rd ger re— do you disagree? mark gb news .uk. i'll get to your— do you disagree? mark gb news .uk. i'll get to your email snenbw,— .uk. i'll get to your email snenbw, bnr— .uk. i'll get to your email shortly, but reacting to my big ebdnden— shortly, but reacting to my big opinion, three— shortly, but reacting to my big opinion, three of— shortly, but reacting to my big opinion, three of the top enndns— opinion, three of the top ends in— opinion, three of the top pundits in the- opinion, three of the top pundits in the country, guardian sebnnndsr— pundits in the country, guardian columnist and— pundits in the country, guardian columnist and best selling enrner— columnist and best selling author polly— columnist and best selling author polly toynbee . writer and author polly toynbee. writer and bebdseb— author polly toynbee. writer and political commentator jo—anne wedber— political commentator jo—anne wedber .— political commentator jo—anne wedber . and— political commentator jo—anne nadler . and broadcaster and nadler. and broadcaster and bnensded— nadler. and broadcaster and financial analyst at the drinks are financial analyst at the drinks en ndn. — financial analyst at the drinks are on him. albie— financial analyst at the drinks are on him. albie amankona well, been— are on him. albie amankona well, been e— are on him. albie amankona well, look, a fascinating— are on him. albie amankona well, look, a fascinating debate. we need— look, a fascinating debate. we need be— look, a fascinating debate. we need be ger— look, a fascinating debate. we need to get straight to it. redw— need to get straight to it. polly toynbee,- need to get straight to it. polly toynbee, your reaction to wner— polly toynbee, your reaction to we dwe— polly toynbee, your reaction to we be ned— polly toynbee, your reaction to what i've had to— polly toynbee, your reaction to what i've had to say about snede— what i've had to say about suella braverman? well well, i rndnb— suella braverman? well well, i rndnb wene— suella braverman? well well, i think you're quite— suella braverman? well well, i think you're quite right there. snnnesrng— think you're quite right there. snnnesrng sne— think you're quite right there. supposing she were— think you're quite right there. supposing she were able- think you're quite right there. supposing she were able to stop the boats, she would be immensely popular here. but she promises things that can't be delivered so has rishi delivered and so has rishi sunak. i cannot understand how the boats can be stopped except the boats can be stopped except the one thing you could do is the one thing you could do is the one thing that her department, she and her department, she and her department don't do, which is to process single person who process every single person who arrives people arrives immediately. so people like albanians would be sent back in once because you can

send them back. the great majority of them are legally be a legal asylum seekers who will get refugee status . so process get refugee status. so process them fast and then let them integrate into society and get jobs. integrate into society and get jobs . absurd to spend money, jobs. absurd to spend money, millions and millions putting them up in hotels when they could be working productively. they are, you know, the great majority of them will be found to be because they've come from afghanistan and iran and iraq, genuine refugee is the ones who aren't. you send back . so why is aren't. you send back. so why is her department now taking to three years to process some of these people? and that's where these people? and that's where the bottleneck is . the the bottleneck is. the bottleneck not- f the bottleneck not related to the bottleneck is. the- bottleneck not related to the nnge— bottleneck not related to the nnge sewe— bottleneck not related to the nnge spine in— bottleneck not related to the huge spike in numbers crossing the huge spike in numbers crossing sne snenneb— huge spike in numbers crossing the channel illegally. and you nendened— the channel illegally. and you mentioned absolutely that many people— mentioned absolutely that many beebde ener— mentioned absolutely that many people that enter— mentioned absolutely that many people that enter the country end— people that enter the country end newe— people that enter the country end newe e— people that enter the country and have a claim— people that enter the country and have a claim for asylum will nebernuw— and have a claim for asylum will neberndw newe— and have a claim for asylum will hopefully make a— and have a claim for asylum will hopefully make a wonderful contribution— hopefully make a wonderful contribution to— hopefully make a wonderful contribution to britain , as they contribution to britain, as they ebwews— contribution to britain, as they edwews newe— contribution to britain, as they always have. but— contribution to britain, as they always have. but this is an rssne— always have. but this is an issue about— always have. but this is an issue about last- always have. but this is an issue about last year, net

nrgreden— issue about last year, net migration of— issue about last year, net migration of over half a million people-_ migration of over half a million beebbe. rneds— migration of over half a million people. that's about the city sne— people. that's about the city be see— people. that's about the city sne er— people. that's about the city the size of liverpool in one ween— the size of liverpool in one ween se— the size of liverpool in one ween se dds— the size of liverpool in one ween se dds e— the size of liverpool in one year. so it's a question of numbers, it's— year. so it's a question of numbers, it's a- year. so it's a question of numbers, it's a question of enbne— numbers, it's a question of enbne end— numbers, it's a question of volume and the- numbers, it's a question of volume and the public just think the volume and the public just think sne nnrnber— volume and the public just think sne nnrnber rs— volume and the public just think the number is too— volume and the public just think the number is too high. i think a the number is too high. i think e-beebde— the number is too high. i think e-beebde-and- the number is too high. i think e-beebde-and .- the number is too high. i think a people and i think a lot of people do. and i think i think it's a great problem. it's problem. it's a huge worldwide problem. i mean, we have in this mean, we have many fewer in this country most of the other country than most of the other countries in europe, let alone the countries in the world who are to the war zones, are next door to the war zones, who take the great majority of refugees. it is a global refugees. but it is a global problem . it's not a british problem. it's not a british problem. it's not a british problem specific albie. and we actually have less of it than others. so let's at least keep this proportion. there are this in proportion. there are lots of problems. for instance, crime. i mean, suppose you had a home secretary who said, i will aboush home secretary who said, i will abolish crime and then everybody would but would say, yeah, go for it. but i be absurd. it i mean, it would be absurd. it is absurd to stop the is also absurd to say stop the boats without really having any practical method of doing it. well, of course, her argument, the home secretary, as she writes in this weekend's telegraph, that she will more telegraph, is that she will more or less allow ministers to ignore from the european ignore rulings from the european court of human rights. and

that's a critical element- that's a critical element in ends— that's a critical element in this, because— that's a critical element in this, because one of the reasons i this, because one of the reasons r neen— this, because one of the reasons r neen-esbed— this, because one of the reasons i mean, asked quite i mean, you asked polly quite reesenebbw— i mean, you asked polly quite reasonably—there. i mean, you asked polly quite reasonably there is reasonably about why there is snsn— reasonably about why there is snsn e— reasonably about why there is snsn e deben— reasonably about why there is such a delay, such a backlog in bresessdng— such a delay, such a backlog in bresessrng .— such a delay, such a backlog in processing , processing processing, processing ebbbsenrs— processing, processing applicants and that's partly besense— applicants and that's partly besense er— applicants and that's partly because of the— applicants and that's partly because of the intervention of wner— because of the intervention of we we— because of the intervention of we we ndgnr— because of the intervention of what we might call lawfare or end— what we might call lawfare or end esdwsr— what we might call lawfare or and activist lawyers who are exeberrrng— and activist lawyers who are exploiting the _ and activist lawyers who are exploiting the anomalies in various different layers of nnnen— various different layers of human rights— various different layers of human rights legislation , action human rights legislation, action to human rights legislation, action be reeuw— human rights legislation, action be reedw press— human rights legislation, action to really press home. “can ”iii: to really press home. they're edwbdng— to really press home. they're advising migrants to say they've been trafficked discs barred their passports and mobile phones as they cross the channel that's partly it. i mean, i den-r— that's partly it. i mean, i don't think— that's partly it. i mean, i don't think that the lawyers are nesessenbw— don't think that the lawyers are necessarily-them - don't think that the lawyers are necessarily them to necessarily advising them to ddsserd— necessarily advising them to discard-mobile- necessarily advising them to discard mobile phones. discard the mobile phones. i bbdnb— discard the mobile phones. i think-traffickers- discard the mobile phones. i think-traffickers are- discard the mobile phones. i think traffickers are doing think the traffickers are doing that, that that, but they're doing that in the that there the full knowledge that there will be a confusion on arrival between those people who are genuine asylum seekers and those people and those people. i'm not sure whether it is the great majority of the people on the boat without without . well, i boat without without. well, i think there's i think there's some confusion actually as to people's because some confusion actually as to pethis's because some confusion actually as to pethis kind because some confusion actually as to pethis kind of because some confusion actually as to

pethis kind of complicationise some confusion actually as to pethis kind of complication ins of this kind of complication in the system. but the critical thing which your monologue erg didn't really address because it's the kind of underpinning to all of this. it is so critically important because this is really about what is a nation state and who is a accountable. and if a government can't control its borders, then it's not really a government . i agree. i mean, the government. i agree. i mean, the wee— government. i agree. i mean, the ddee ener— government. i agree. i mean, the ddee sner wen— government. i agree. i mean, the idea that you have— government. i agree. i mean, the idea that you have open- g i agree. i mean, the idea that you have open borders is idea that you have open borders ds nsene— idea that you have open borders ds er— idea that you have open borders is insane of course— idea that you have open borders is insane of course not. you knew— is insane of course not. you knew sne— is insane of course not. you know the definition of a country is re— know the definition of a country is re bebse— know the definition of a country is to police its— know the definition of a country is to police its borders , but is to police its borders, but dds— is to police its borders, but dds werw— is to police its borders, but it's very difficult to do in the wew— it's very difficult to do in the same way a definition of a good gewernrnens — same way a definition of a good genernrnenr. w— same way a definition of a good government. it is— same way a definition of a good government. it is to stop crime. enr— government. it is to stop crime. bnr wen— government. it is to stop crime. bnr wen sen-r— government. it is to stop crime. but you can't altogether do web.— but you can't altogether do sner. ren— but you can't altogether do sner. ken de— but you can't altogether do that. you do the- but you can't altogether do that. you do the best you can in ne— that. you do the best you can in be nest— that. you do the best you can in the most civilised— that. you do the best you can in the most civilised and sensible end— the most civilised and sensible and effective— the most civilised and sensible and effective . _ the most civilised and sensible and effective . you- the most civilised and sensible and effective . /:::. the most civilised and sensible and effective . /2. the most civilised and sensible and effective . y2. and effective. you at least have to at least have to attempt to do it. and for a very for a very long time. now, the idea of national borders has been very much pooh poohed by the left and very weird bits of the left of a labor party or someone like the labour party, the guardian by by the labour party in aukus gary lineker represent left party

the labour party in aukus gary liroffice epresent left party the labour party in aukus gary liroffice .3resent left party the labour party in aukus gary liroffice . theyit left party the labour party in aukus gary liroffice . they they left party the labour party in aukus gary liroffice . they they just party the labour party in aukus gary liroffice . they they just rauty in office. they they just rau and tony blair, they did everything they well could. they oversaw the biggest the brggesr— they oversaw the biggest the brggesr snenge— they oversaw the biggest the biggest change in migration into this biggest change in migration into ends sennrrw— biggest change in migration into this country ever. _ biggest change in migration into this country ever. 2“ this country ever. in fairness, in fairness to the left, jo—anne nadler goes it all goes with the with the with with wars. the moment precisely iran,- the moment precisely iran, iraq . moment precisely iran, iraq. they— moment precisely iran, iraq. rnew snen— moment precisely iran, iraq. they then then— moment precisely iran, iraq. they then then the refugees went wdrn — they then then the refugees went wdrn newng — they then then the refugees went wdrn newng ne— they then then the refugees went with having no borders under the rnrebeen. — with having no borders under the rnrebeen. .— with having no borders under the european. i think— with having no borders under the european. i think the- with having no borders under the european. i think the levels of asylum seekers were actually much higher in the mid—noughties than they are now. and actually ener— than they are now. and actually that-government- than they are now. and actually that-government did- that labour government did a new— that labour government did a very-job— that labour government did a wew-keblgerdng- that labour government did a very job getting those very good job of getting those nnbes— very good job of getting those numbers down. _ very good job of getting those numbers down. �*" numbers down. if only this current conservative government could take a leaf out of their book. think lot of it does book. i think a lot of it does come down to— i think a lot of it does come down to home office administration. v42~3 0242 come down to home office administration. v42~3 “242 32“ administration. yes, there is an impact what suella impact from what suella braverman would lefty braverman would call lefty lawyers and the echr stopping the plan from getting off the rwanda plan from getting off the rwanda plan from getting off the and would like to the ground. and i would like to see-eden— the ground. and i would like to see-eden ger— the ground. and i would like to see-plan get off— the ground. and i would like to see-plan get off the- see that plan get off the grennd. — see that plan get off the ground. -would- see that plan get off the ground. -would like to ground. but i would also like to see one of the— ground. but i would also like to see one of the other amendments ener— see one of the other amendments sner rerw— see one of the other amendments sner rerw wes— see one of the other amendments rner rerw wns enr— see one of the other amendments that tory mps put the illegal ndgreden— migration bill, i think it was dess— migration bill, i think it was bese-bew- migration bill, i think it was last-they want. migration bill, i think it was last they want to migration bill, i think it was- last-they want to they last week that they want to they wens— last week that they want to they wens sne — last week that they want to they want the government to draft last week that they want to they want 1to government to draft

last week that they want to they want 1to open rnment to draft last week that they want to they want 1to open safeent to draft last week that they want to they want 1to open safe and) draft last week that they want to they want 1to open safe and legal: plans to open safe and legal rnes— plans to open safe and legal routes within— plans to open safe and legal routes within the— plans to open safe and legal routes within the next six nenrns— routes within the next six. months,-20,000 routes within the next six- months,-20,000 people. months, capped at 20,000 people. i've months, capped at 20,000 people. we ekwews— months, capped at 20,000 people. i've always advocated that the our i've always advocated that the dkkegek— i've always advocated that the our illegal migration policy snenkd— our illegal migration policy snenkd be— our illegal migration policy should be both— our illegal migration policy should be both firm and fair. rner— should be both firm and fair. rner neens— should be both firm and fair. that means it— should be both firm and fair. that means it needs to be a firm derenenn— that means it needs to be a firm derenenn bnr— that means it needs to be a firm deterrent, but then _ that means it needs to be a firm deterrent, but then need to be redn— deterrent, but then need to be redn sere— deterrent, but then need to be fair, safe and— deterrent, but then need to be fair, safe and legal routes wndsn— fair, safe and legal routes wndsn ee— fair, safe and legal routes which are open- fair, safe and legal routes which are open for genuine eswknn— which are open for genuine asylum seekers.— which are open for genuine asylum seekers. and unfortunately there aren't enengn— unfortunately there aren't enengn er— unfortunately there aren't enough of those at the moment. okew. — enough of those at the moment. okew. wneds— enough of those at the moment. okew. wnes-s wenr— enough of those at the moment. okay. what's your view?- enough of those at the moment. okay. what's your view? can suella stop the boats suella braverman stop the boats or is it an empty promise as suggested by polly toynbee? one of my top pundits tonight? coming up next in the big story, following her horrific comments underplaying anti—semitism and racism towards marginalised groups. should diane abbott be expelled from the labour party? well be speaking to the editor of the jewish chronicle and the political activist who ran against corbyn islington in against corbyn in islington in 2019. see you .

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news radio. well, a big reaction to my big opinion can suella braverman stop the boats ? i braverman stop the boats? i believe that if she can, it wins the tories another five years in power . however, there are forces power. however, there are forces within the media and within the political elite who would love to see the back of her. let me know your thoughts. margaret gbnews.uk. david says hi mark. process migrants immediately. sounds like a great plan, but hasn't covid played a huge part in the backlog processing migrants whilst working from home would be practically impossible . how about this from impossible. how about this from peter suella braverman could stop the boats tomorrow. the question is do the people controlling the government want to stop the boats? the royal navy could stop them in an instant if deployed. i'll get some more of your emails shortly. do keep them coming, but it's time now for a rather challenging conversation and it's all about diane abbott. so let's get straight to it if we can. and here is the story, folks. it's quite shocking.

diane abbott has been suspended as a labour mp pending an investigation into a letter she wrote about racism to the observer. the former shadow home secretary wrote that many types of white people with points of difference can experience prejudice, but they're not subject to racism all their lives . she went on in pre—civil lives. she went on in pre—civil rights america, irish people, jewish people and travellers were not required to sit at the back of the bus in apartheid south africa. these groups were allowed to vote and at the height of slavery there were no white seeming people manacled on the slave ships is now . ms the slave ships is now. ms abbott's letter prompted a backlash, including from the board of deputies of british jews , which described it as jews, which described it as disgraceful and her apology entirely unconvincing. she later tweeted to say that she was withdrawing her remarks and apologised for any anguish caused . labour said the comments caused. labour said the comments were deeply offensive and wrong.

in a moment, we'll speak to jake wallis. simons the editor of the revered jewish chronicle. but first with me in the studio is yosef david, who ran against jeremy corbyn in islington north in 2019. yosef, welcome to the studio. thank you very much for having me. your reaction to what diane abbott had to say in what i guess we should stress is a draft letter that she sent to the observer . draft letter that she sent to the observer. but draft letter that she sent to the observer . but the draft letter that she sent to the observer. but the sentiment is in black and white, is there in black and white, isn't yes, the sentiments isn't it? yes, the sentiments are abhorrent . they're also are abhorrent. they're also berendw— are abhorrent. they're also berenrkw wreng— are abhorrent. they're also patently wrong . - are abhorrent. they're also patently wrong . if- 342 they're also patently wrong . �*" w2r242 are abhorrent. they're also- patently wrong . if you were to patently wrong. if you were to book a visit to one of the many jewish schools in her constituency, she would be met with airport style security. jewish people and in fact, jewish peopleyand in fact, the jewish people and in fact, the breeding— jewish people and in fact, the travelling community as well sneer— travelling community as well suffer extreme _ travelling community as well suffer extreme racism at times. by suffer extreme racism at times. bw end — suffer extreme racism at times. bw end kerge— suffer extreme racism at times. bw end igge, rn— suffer extreme racism at times. by and large, in this country, we dwe— by and large, in this country, we dine in— by and large, in this country, we dine in e— by and large, in this country, we live in a lovely country wnere— we live in a lovely country wnere besnse— we live in a lovely country where people tend to get on. but but where people tend to get on. but bnr dds— where people tend to get on. but but it's undeniable— where people tend to get on. but but it's undeniable that the jewish— but it's undeniable that the jewish community and the breeding— jewish community and the travelling community suffer en ber— travelling community suffer racism on par with other

communities. - racism on par with other communities. 42.2 racism on par with other communities. y2. 2 2. racism on par with other- communities. you made quite the splash at the counts the this is in 2019 when jeremy corbyn was once again re—elected as as the labour member of parliament for islington north. but you were just islington north. but you were insr bendnd— islington north. but you were just behind him _ islington north. but you were just behind him when- 3 2“ br2r.“ but you were just behind him when he made his sneesn— just behind him when he made his sbeesn rn— just behind him when he made his speech in which— just behind him when he made his speech in which he— just behind him when he made his speech in which he said that nes— speech in which he said that ne-s swed— speech in which he said that he's tried to— speech in which he said that he's tried to run— speech in which he said that he's tried to run a kind of very skeen— he's tried to run a kind of very clean campaign.— he's tried to run a kind of very clean campaign. and yes, labour on clean campaign. and yes, labour en ns— clean campaign. and yes, labour en nds wersn— clean campaign. and yes, labour on his watch represents sort of brebdrw— on his watch represents sort of brebrrw end— on his watch represents sort of probity and discretion all probity and discretion and all the probity and discretion and all sne-and— probity and discretion and all sne-and wen- probity and discretion and all the and you went a the rest of it. and you went a bit the rest of it. and you went a be wired— the rest of it. and you went a bit viral because,— the rest of it. and you went a bit viral because, your bit viral because, well, your bese — bit viral because, well, your bese -ekk. — bit viral because, well, your face-all. yes- bit viral because, well, your face-all. yes - bit viral because, well, your face-all. yes he. bit viral because, well, your. face-all. yes he said, face said it all. yes he said, we— face said it all. yes he said, we dd— face said it all. yes he said, we did not descend into the gutter, which on reflection, he was right. they thought the campaign exclusively from the gutter. let me tell you, i gutter. but let me tell you, i raised both eyebrows at this comment diane abbott and as comment from diane abbott and as jovial as as politics can be, when we see the lighter side, there is responsible motty that comes with the role . and diane comes with the role. and diane abbott needs to do some reflecting herself, i think. well, yosef, do you stay with reflecting herself, i think. - well, yosef, do you stay with me besense— well, yosef, do you stay with me besense rn— well, yosef, do you stay with me because i'm delighted to welcome the because i'm delighted to welcome sne eddrer— because i'm delighted to welcome sne eddrer er— because i'm delighted to welcome the editor of the— because i'm delighted to welcome the editor of the jewish chronicle _ the editor of the jewish chronicle as— the editor of the jewish chronicle as well . so let's hope chronicle as well. so let's hope

ener— chronicle as well. so let's hope rner sne— chronicle as well. so let's hope rner sne kine— chronicle as well. so let's hope that the line is— chronicle as well. so let's hope that the line is up— chronicle as well. so let's hope that the line is up and running. yes:— that the line is up and running. yes indeed.— that the line is up and running. yes, indeed. we— that the line is up and running. yes, indeed. we have jake wallis sinens— yes, indeed. we have jake wallis simons, editor— yes, indeed. we have jake wallis simons, editor of— yes, indeed. we have jake wallis simons, editor of said newsbeben— simons, editor of said newspaper. jake your reaction to ense— newspaper. jake your reaction to disk r— newspaper. jake your reaction to disk r es— newspaper. jake your reaction to this? i was truly— newspaper. jake your reaction to this? i was truly shocked. wneds— this? i was truly shocked. wner-s wenr— this? i was truly shocked. what's your view ? 2 2“ . this? i was truly shocked. what's your view ? t 2“ . what's your view? i can't say i was shocked. in fact , i think was shocked. in fact, i think that for many jewish people, it's quite shocking how we're not shocked anymore because we get to this stuff, get so used to this stuff, particularly from the hard left, which is influenced by which currently is influenced by identity politics. you know, diane abbott, it's sad. you know, she was the j ' . 332 you know, she was the first black mp in ends— know, she was the first black mp in ends sennrrw— know, she was the first black mp in this country. _ know, she was the first black mp in this country. she— know, she was the first black mp in this country . in this country. she herself has faced a lot of racism over the years. she's faced a lot of racism over the years . she's set herself up as years. she's set herself up as an years. she's set herself up as en end — years. she's set herself up as an anti racist— 3.3.33 she's set herself up as an anti racist campaigner. $233 she's set herself up as an anti racist campaigner. and all an anti racist campaigner. and ed er— an anti racist campaigner. and ed er ener— an anti racist campaigner. and ed er deed is— an anti racist campaigner. and all of that is laudable, but sedkw— all of that is laudable, but sadlve dr— all of that is laudable, but sadly, it seems— all of that is laudable, but sadly, it seems that she doesn't knew— sadly, it seems that she doesn't knew werw— sadly, it seems that she doesn't knew werw nnsn— sadly, it seems that she doesn't know very much about racism besense— know very much about racism besense sne-s— know very much about racism because she's under the dnrknense— because she's under the influence of— because she's under the influence of this hard left rdeekegw— influence of this hard left ideology which seeks to restrain act ideology which seeks to restrain esr sne — ideology which seeks to restrain act the definition— ideology which seeks to restrain act the definition of racism to bkesk— act the definition of racism to bkesk besnse— act the definition of racism to black people and— act the definition of racism to black people and withdraw it fren— black people and withdraw it nen enw— black people and withdraw it from any other— black people and withdraw it from any other group, including and from any other group, including end esbesredw— from any other group, including and especially jews. you know, in ner— and especially jews. you know, in be ewn— and especially jews. you know, in her own constituency as yosef nendened— in her own constituency as yosef mentioned, there _ in her own constituency as yosef mentioned, there are two attacks on mentioned, there are two attacks en werege ber— mentioned, there are two attacks on average per week on jews.

rner-s— on average per week on jews. rner-s rn— on average per week on jews. that's in hackney— on average per week on jews. that's in hackney in her own sensdrnensw— that's in hackney in her own constituency home office figures at constituency home office figures er sne— constituency home office figures e be end— constituency home office figures e be end er— constituency home office figures at the end of last— constituency home office figures at the end of last year showed snen— at the end of last year showed rner rews— at the end of last year showed rner rews ee— at the end of last year showed that jews are five— at the end of last year showed that jews are five times more bkekw— that jews are five times more bkekw re— that jews are five times more likely to suffer— that jews are five times more likely to suffer a— that jews are five times more likely to suffer a racist racist ebnse— likely to suffer a racist racist ebnse ew— likely to suffer a racist racist abuse. by comparison to other renn— abuse. by comparison to other rerrn genes— abuse. by comparison to other faith groups and— abuse. by comparison to other faith groups and indeed, the regen— faith groups and indeed, the need ener— faith groups and indeed, the report that she— faith groups and indeed, the report that she was sort of redbng— report that she was sort of railing against— report that she was sort of railing against in her letter to the railing against in her letter to be ebserwen— railing against in her letter to the observer, the— railing against in her letter to the observer, the national rgnebrw— the observer, the national equality survey records that ebenr— equality survey records that ebenr eon— equality survey records that about 60% of— equality survey records that about 60% of travellers say they nene — about 60% of travellers say they have experienced— about 60% of travellers say they have experienced racism. 55333 have experienced racism. 55% of wew..— have experienced racism. 55% of jews. sow— have experienced racism. 55% of jews. sow er— have experienced racism. 55% of jews, 50% of black— have experienced racism. 55% of jews, 50% of black caribbean people, and only 30% of black africans. so people, and only 30% of black africans . so that's what she africans. so that's what she ebiesred— africans. so that's what she ebiesred re. — africans. so that's what she objected to. that's- ' t so that's what she objected to. that's objective, vou— objected to. that's objective, wen knew. — objected to. that's objective, you know, empirical evidence. sne— you know, empirical evidence. sne senkdn-r— you know, empirical evidence. she couldn't take— you know, empirical evidence. she couldn't take it for her nnder— she couldn't take it for her nnder sne— she couldn't take it for her under the influence of this rdeekegw— under the influence of this rdeekegw .— under the influence of this ideology , which, by the way, we ideology, which, by the way, we wren— ideology, which, by the way, we saw with whoopi _ ideology, which, by the way, we saw with whoopi goldberg, if you resekb — saw with whoopi goldberg, if you resekb e— saw with whoopi goldberg, if you resekb e rew— saw with whoopi goldberg, if you recall, a few months ago, saying the recall, a few months ago, saying sne—ner- recall, a few months ago, saying sne—nes ebenr- recall, a few months ago, sayingi the—not about race the holocaust was not about race besense— the holocaust was not about race besense-rndngs— the holocaust was not about race because things black because only things about black people— because only things about black beebke—nerl people can be about race, not ebenr— people can be about race, not ebenr-dgnenng- people can be about race, not about ignoring fact about jews ignoring the fact snen— about jews ignoring the fact that. actually— about jews ignoring the facti thatlactually-was that it actually explicitly was ebenr—bnr- that it actually explicitly was about—but underi that it actually explicitly was. about _ but under the about race. diana but under the dnrknense— about race. diana but under the dnrknense er— about race. diana but under the influence of the— about race. diana but under the influence of the same ideology is influence of the same ideology rs bened— influence of the same ideology is forced into— influence of the same ideology is forced into a— influence of the same ideology is forced into a position where sne— is forced into a position where sne nes— is forced into a position where sne nes re— is forced into a position where she has to deny— is forced into a position where she has to deny empirical

ewdense— she has to deny empirical evidence and— she has to deny empirical evidence and deny the facts, denw— evidence and deny the facts, denw reenrw— evidence and deny the facts, denw reebrw .— evidence and deny the facts, deny reality , and advance this deny reality, and advance this ebsnrd— deny reality, and advance this ebsnrd ddee— deny reality, and advance this absurd idea that— deny reality, and advance this absurd idea that only black people— absurd idea that only black beebke sen— absurd idea that only black people can experience racism. so it's people can experience racism. so dds ebsnrd. — people can experience racism. so it's absurd. it's— people can experience racism. so it's absurd. it's ridiculous , it's absurd. it's ridiculous, dds— it's absurd. it's ridiculous, dds srnbdd. — it's absurd. it's ridiculous, it's stupid. and- it's absurd. it's ridiculous, it's stupid. and it's very good snen— it's stupid. and it's very good deed ken— it's stupid. and it's very good that keir starmer_ it's stupid. and it's very good that keir starmer has suspended nen — that keir starmer has suspended be. and— that keir starmer has suspended be. and r— that keir starmer has suspended her. and i would— that keir starmer has suspended her. and i would join with my renew— her. and i would join with my renew beebke— her. and i would join with my fellow people in— her. and i would join with my fellow people in the jewish sennnndrw— fellow people in the jewish community and— fellow people in the jewish community and call for her ekbnksden— community and call for her expulsion from _ community and call for her expulsion from labour . expulsion from labour. i know snee— expulsion from labour. i know nbes wenrs— expulsion from labour. i know enee wen-re neb— expulsion from labour. i know that you're not one for cancel culture. why would you go that far? would an apology not be sufficient ? i think well, she sufficient? i think well, she has apologised, but i think the problem with her apology is that it seems to be a reaction to the outrage rather than genuine contrition. you know , it feels contrition. you know, it feels bke— contrition. you know, it feels bke wner— contrition. you know, it feels like what she— rt.r2r2“. . r2r2“ you know, it feels like what she expressed in that berser— like what she expressed in that denser re— like what she expressed in that denser re sne— like what she expressed in that letter to the observer was the nesk— letter to the observer was the nesk subbing— letter to the observer was the mask slipping and her expressing her mask slipping and her expressing ner ene— mask slipping and her expressing her true views.— mask slipping and her expressing her true views. and the apology e bdr— her true views. and the apology e be er— her true views. and the apology e be e e— her true views. and the apology was a bit of a reverse ferret or a was a bit of a reverse ferret or e besk—nedeb— was a bit of a reverse ferret or a back—pedal. you— was a bit of a reverse ferret or a back—pedal. you know, if we beek— a back—pedal. you know, if we deek er— a back—pedal. you know, if we deek e be— a back—pedal. you know, if we look at her at— a back—pedal. you know, if we look at her at her— a back—pedal. you know, if we look at her at her track record, sne— look at her at her track record, sne es— look at her at her track record, she was one of— look at her at her track record, she was one of jeremy corbyn's key— she was one of jeremy corbyn's kew snenerbers— she was one of jeremy corbyn's key supporters. she knows him wed— key supporters. she knows him web er— key supporters. she knows him web er nenw— key supporters. she knows him well of many, many years, met

nenw— well of many, many years, met nenw wee— well of many, many years, met many years, been— well of many, many years, met many years, been his friend and sne— many years, been his friend and sne rs— many years, been his friend and sne is en— many years, been his friend and sne is en resd— many years, been his friend and she is on record as— many years, been his friend and she is on record as calling the anti—semitism _ she is on record as calling the anti—semitism scandal in labour anti—semitism scandal in labour e sne-s— anti—semitism scandal in labour a smear. she's denied the anti—semitism _ a smear. she's denied the anti—semitism problem in labour, wndsn— anti—semitism problem in labour, wndsn rn— anti—semitism problem in labour, which in itself— anti—semitism problem in labour, which in itself is— anti—semitism problem in labour, which in itself is not only ebsnrd— which in itself is not only absurd, but— which in itself is not only absurd, but grossly offensive to tens.— absurd, but grossly offensive to tens. and— absurd, but grossly offensive to tens. knd irke— absurd, but grossly offensive to jews. and like you— absurd, but grossly offensive to jews. and like you say , i'm not jews. and like you say, i'm not re— jews. and like you say, i'm not re ebbrewe— jews. and like you say, i'm not one to approve of— jews. and like you say, i'm not one to approve of cancel culture . rn— one to approve of cancel culture . r-n ner— one to approve of cancel culture . i'm not suggesting she should be sensekked— . i'm not suggesting she should be cancelled from _ . i'm not suggesting she should be cancelled from every platform ber— be cancelled from every platform rner sne-s— be cancelled from every platform that she's ever— be cancelled from every platform that she's ever-to- be cancelled from every platform that she's ever to speak that she's ever able to speak at. that she's ever able to speak er. bns— that she's ever able to speak er. en b— that she's ever able to speak at. but if keir— that she's ever able to speak at. but if keir starmer wishes to at. but if keir starmer wishes be be— at. but if keir starmer wishes be be reken— at. but if keir starmer wishes to be taken seriously , wishes to be taken seriously, wishes bebenr— to be taken seriously, wishes bebenr re— to be taken seriously, wishes bebenr be be— to be taken seriously, wishes labour to be taken seriously as a party— labour to be taken seriously as e nenw rner— labour to be taken seriously as e nenw rner nes— labour to be taken seriously as a party that has moved on from its anti—semitism_ a party that has moved on from its anti—semitism scandal, he snenkd— its anti—semitism scandal, he snenkd newe— its anti—semitism scandal, he should have got— its anti—semitism scandal, he should have got rid of her a deng— should have got rid of her a keng sine— should have got rid of her a keng rrne ege.— should have got rid of her a long time ago, frankly. and now . given— long time ago, frankly. and now . gwen rnese— long time ago, frankly. and now , given these comments, which are , given these comments, which deer—n— , given these comments, which are—her formerly. are in line with her formerly expressed— are in line with her formerly expressed views— are in line with her formerly expressed views , it's time to expressed views, it's time to get— expressed views, it's time to get-ner— expressed views, it's time to get her completely and get rid of her completely and exped— get rid of her completely and skeet-sne- get rid of her completely and ended-sne nenw.- get rid of her completely and expel the party. joseph expel her from the party. joseph bend.— expel her from the party. joseph bewd. dr— expel her from the party. joseph david, it doesn't— expel her from the party. joseph david, it doesn't look like bdene— david, it doesn't look like diane abbott— david, it doesn't look like diane abbott has misspoken in her diane abbott has misspoken in nerebekegw. — diane abbott has misspoken in be ebekegw. sne— diane abbott has misspoken in her apology. 2 her apology. she said the errors arose in an initial draft are being sent, but there's no excuse and i wish to apologise for the anguish caused . racism for the anguish caused. racism takes many forms and it's completely undeniable that jewish suffered. jewish people have suffered.

it's effects, as have it's monstrous effects, as have irish people , travellers and irish people, travellers and many once again, i'd many others. once again, i'd like to apologise publicly for the remarks any distress the remarks and any distress caused result of them. are caused as a result of them. are you buying that apology? see, i have to be honest, no , i “3 3“ see, i have to be honest, no , i don't have to be honest, no, i don't rndnk— have to be honest, no, i don't rndnk rner— have to be honest, no, i don't think that diane— have to be honest, no, i don't think that diane abbott is serrw— think that diane abbott is sorry. however— think that diane abbott is sorry. however i would say that in e— sorry. however i would say that in e newer— sorry. however i would say that in e rnenrer .— sorry. however i would say that in a mature , free— sorry. however i would say that in a mature , free society, in a mature, free society, breeden— in a mature, free society, breeden er— in a mature, free society, freedom of speech is the cornerstone _ freedom of speech is the cornerstone of- freedom of speech is the cornerstone of our of our sesdebw— cornerstone of our of our sesderw. er— cornerstone of our of our society, of our- cornerstone of our of our society, of our democracy and we nene — society, of our democracy and we nene re — society, of our democracy and we nene be be — society, of our democracy and we have to be able— society, of our democracy and we have to be able to— society, of our democracy and we have to be able to associate it end— have to be able to associate it end even— have to be able to associate it and even include— have to be able to associate it and even include people whose entre— and even include people whose views, quite frankly, i find ebnenens— views, quite frankly, i find abhorrent. so— views, quite frankly, i find abhorrent. so whilst i don't rndnk— abhorrent. so whilst i don't rndnk sne-s— abhorrent. so whilst i don't think she's contrite, i think rner— think she's contrite, i think rner we— think she's contrite, i think rner we sen— think she's contrite, i think that we can add- think she's contrite, i think that we can add this to a long kiss— that we can add this to a long list er— that we can add this to a long list of comments— that we can add this to a long list of comments that she's made ber— list of comments that she's made rner wenkd— list of comments that she's made that would fall— list of comments that she's made that would fall under the seregerw— that would fall under the seregerw er— that would fall under the category of highly controversial and category of highly controversial end we— category of highly controversial and we probably— category of highly controversial and we probably will hear more comments from _ and we probably will hear more comments from her in the future. it comments from her in the future. rs sen— comments from her in the future. rs be— comments from her in the future. rs be verv— comments from her in the future. it can be very tempting to watch a it can be very tempting to watch e weke— it can be very tempting to watch a woke warrior— it can be very tempting to watch a woke warrior fall— it can be very tempting to watch a woke warrior fall on her own sed— a woke warrior fall on her own sed bns— a woke warrior fall on her own sed bnr everw— a woke warrior fall on her own sword, but every time we agree to sword, but every time we agree be e— sword, but every time we agree to a cancellation— sword, but every time we agree to a cancellation and it would be e— to a cancellation and it would be a cancellation— to a cancellation and it would be a cancellation from from berbenenn— be a cancellation from from parliament, from representing the parliament, from representing sne bebenr— parliament, from representing the labour party— parliament, from representing the labour party every time we

egres— the labour party every time we egreele— the labour party every time we agree a cancellation , we're agree to a cancellation, we're euewdng— agree to a cancellation, we're allowing another— agree to a cancellation, we're allowing another ratchet notch to allowing another ratchet notch e be— allowing another ratchet notch be be rnrned— allowing another ratchet notch to be turned on.— allowing another ratchet notch to be turned on. on the chokehold,_ to be turned on. on the chokehold, on- to be turned on. on the chokehold, on freedom of speech . se— chokehold, on freedom of speech . se wen— chokehold, on freedom of speech . se wen sew— chokehold, on freedom of speech . so you say that— chokehold, on freedom of speech . so you say that what- chokehold, on freedom of speech . so you say that what she said is abhorrent, but she gets suspended for some kind of punishment, but then reinstated as a labour mp and to be judged on the words that she's written. yes. and we have to also note rner— yes. and we have to also note rner sne— yes. and we have to also note rner sne nes— yes. and we have to also note that she has one— yes. and we have to also note that she has one of the biggest berbenenrerw— that she has one of the biggest parliamentary majorities in the sense— parliamentary majorities in the sennrrw end— parliamentary majorities in the sennrrw end r— parliamentary majorities in the country and i think we should put— country and i think we should end dr— country and i think we should end is besk— country and i think we should end it besk re— country and i think we should put it back to the— country and i think we should put it back to the people who are put it back to the people who rn— put it back to the people who in ne— put it back to the people who are in the constituency, many of wnen — are in the constituency, many of wnen ee— are in the constituency, many of whom are jewish,— are in the constituency, many of whom are jewish, and i don't rndnk— whom are jewish, and i don't rndnk sne-u— whom are jewish, and i don't think she'll getting their think she'll be getting their vete— think she'll be getting their vets—and- think she'll be getting their vote _and also,| think she'll be getting their- vote _and also, jake vote again. no. and also, jake wallace simons, i know that the jewish chronicle is obviously focussed on the jewish community, but a very community, but it's a very inclusive find it inclusive paper. i find it a really interesting read and you know, the chronicle will be concerned about the irish community who have faced huge prejudice, certainly in the 50s and 60s and 70s, as well as the 9yp5y and 60s and 70s, as well as the gypsy community. so this is this insuh gypsy community. so this is this insult , this offence is not insult, this offence is not exclusive to the jewish people .

exclusive to the jewish people. that's right. i mean , she did that's right. i mean, she did re— that's right. i mean, she did seem to take— that's right. i mean, she did seem to take aim- that's right. i mean, she did seem to take aim at jews and brevekkers— seem to take aim at jews and travellers and— seem to take aim at jews and travellers and you— seem to take aim at jews and travellers and you know, and senbered— travellers and you know, and senbered sne— travellers and you know, and compared the prejudice that jews and travellers— compared the prejudice that jews and travellers face— compared the prejudice that jews and travellers face to the bretndrse — and travellers face to the prejudice that— and travellers face to the prejudice that ginger kids enenense— prejudice that ginger kids experience at— prejudice that ginger kids experience at school, which is bengbebke— experience at school, which is kengnebke. r— experience at school, which is laughable. i mean, you know, rekkdng— laughable. i mean, you know, we're talking about both both revs— we're talking about both both rews end— we're talking about both both jews and travellers were were dnvekved— jews and travellers were were involved .the _ jews and travellers were were involved the holocaust, were involved in the holocaust, were kdkked— involved in the holocaust, were kdkkedlgreer— involved in the holocaust, were killed great numbers in the killed in great numbers in the wekesensr. — killed in great numbers in the holocaust. and— killed in great numbers in the holocaust. and ginger people killed in great numbers in the holocaurl. and ginger people killed in great numbers in the holocaurl. and git ger people killed in great numbers in the holocaurl. and git doesn't3le killed in great numbers in the holocaurl. and git doesn't even weren't. i mean, it doesn't even need—dees- weren't. i mean, it doesn't even need—dees be - weren't. i mean, it doesn't eveni need—does it? well, need to be said, does it? well, it's need to be said, does it? well, its ebsnrd. — need to be said, does it? well, its ebsnrd. r— need to be said, does it? well, it's absurd. i can't remember which politician you'll which politician it was. you'll have tweet. sure, have seen this tweet. i'm sure, jake, politician who jake, from one politician who pointed out that, quote, she said were no jewish pointed out that, quote, she said made were no jewish pointed out that, quote, she said made to vere no jewish pointed out that, quote, she said made to site no jewish pointed out that, quote, she said made to sit on) jewish pointed out that, quote, she said made to sit on) jevback people made to sit on the back of well, the sort of of the bus. well, the sort of vehicles in which jews were transported to their certain death didn't have death at auschwitz didn't have seats at all. it's very interesting,- seats at all. it's very interesting, isn't- it's very interesting, isn't it, that she rekes— interesting, isn't it, that she rekes sne— interesting, isn't it, that she takes the sole _ interesting, isn't it, that she takes the sole paradigm of racism from _ takes the sole paradigm of racism from a— takes the sole paradigm of racism from a segregation in anense— racism from a segregation in anense re— racism from a segregation in america to her,— racism from a segregation in america to her, that's the only debndden— america to her, that's the only definition of— america to her, that's the only definition of racism sitting at the definition of racism sitting at be besk— definition of racism sitting at be besk er— definition of racism sitting at the back of the— definition of racism sitting at the back of the bus. that's . bns— the back of the bus. that's racism . but being killed in racism. but being killed in snen— racism. but being killed in bet in— racism. but being killed in their in their— racism. but being killed in their in their millions in auschwitz,— their in their millions in auschwitz, that's not racism. ven—

auschwitz, that's not racism. ven knew.— auschwitz, that's not racism. you know, and— auschwitz, that's not racism. you know, and it— auschwitz, that's not racism. you know, and it speaks of the ingen— you know, and it speaks of the inner neden— you know, and it speaks of the import notion of— you know, and it speaks of the import notion of american ddendrw— import notion of american identity politics into mainstream british culture. and senednkw— mainstream british culture. and senednkw nerd— mainstream british culture. and certainly hard left british snbnre— certainly hard left british culture, which _ certainly hard left british culture, which seeks to redefine end— culture, which seeks to redefine racism and limit— culture, which seeks to redefine racism and limit it— culture, which seeks to redefine racism and limit it towards the anensen— racism and limit it towards the american black— racism and limit it towards the american black experience and by exsdrenen— american black experience and by eksdrenen .— american black experience and by extension , black— american black experience and by extension , black the black extension, black the black enenense— extension, black the black experience in— extension, black the black experience in britain. but senednkw— experience in britain. but certainly not— experience in britain. but certainly not any more . the certainly not any more. the rewrsn— certainly not any more. the jewish experience or the reverber— jewish experience or the traveller experience. and look, you— traveller experience. and look, wen knew.— traveller experience. and look, wen knew. r— traveller experience. and look, you know, i would— traveller experience. and look, you know, i would take issue witn— you know, i would take issue wdrn wner— you know, i would take issue with what yosef— you know, i would take issue with what yosef said about cancellation _ with what yosef said about cancellation on, you know, nevdng— cancellation on, you know, nevdng ner— cancellation on, you know, having her expelled from labour is having her expelled from labour se—s— having her expelled from labour is_as cancelling. is not the same as cancelling nen — is not the same as cancelling nen ven— is not the same as cancelling her. you know,— is not the same as cancelling her. you know, a— is not the same as cancelling her. you know, a political party needs— her. you know, a political party needs-certain- her. you know, a political party needs certain standard needs to have a certain standard by needs to have a certain standard bw wndsn— needs to have a certain standard bw wndsn ns— needs to have a certain standard by which its mps— needs to have a certain standard by which its mps need to need to reesn— by which its mps need to need to reesn rn— by which its mps need to need to reesn dn erder— by which its mps need to need to reach in order to— by which its mps need to need to reach in order to be— by which its mps need to need to reach in order to be worthy of sewing— reach in order to be worthy of sewing kne— reach in order to be worthy of carrying the party emblem on snen— carrying the party emblem on their ballot— carrying the party emblem on their ballot paper. you know, bdene— their ballot paper. you know, diane abbott,— their ballot paper. you know, diane abbott, if— their ballot paper. you know, diane abbott, if she's kicked enr— diane abbott, if she's kicked en et— diane abbott, if she's kicked en en sne— diane abbott, if she's kicked out of the party,— diane abbott, if she's kicked out of the party, which i hope sne— out of the party, which i hope sne wid— out of the party, which i hope sne wit u..— out of the party, which i hope she will be, she's— out of the party, which i hope she will be, she's still free to send— she will be, she's still free to send es— she will be, she's still free to send es en— she will be, she's still free to stand as an independent if she wenrs— stand as an independent if she wenrs re. — stand as an independent if she wenrs be. and— stand as an independent if she wants to. and as— stand as an independent if she wants to. and as also wants to. and as you also have sedd— wants to. and as you also have sed-wen— wants to. and as you also have sed-wen knew.— wants to. and as you also have said,-you know, her- said, her, you know, her constituents— said, her, you know, her constituents can vote her if constituents can vote for her if they— constituents can vote for her if new wenkd — constituents can vote for her if they would like _ constituents can vote for her if they would like to. but i'm they would like to. but what i'm sewing— they would like to. but what i'm sewing-b— they would like to. but what i'm saying-if-starmer. saying is that if keir starmer wdsnes— saying is that if keir starmer wdsnes-be- saying is that if keir starmer wishes-be taken. wishes labour to be taken senenskw— wishes labour to be taken senenskwle— wishes labour to be taken seriously a party that has wishes labour to be taken seriouson a party that has wishes labour to be taken serious on from arty that has

wishes labour to be taken seriouson from anti—semitism , moved on from anti—semitism, bdene— moved on from anti—semitism, bdene abberr— moved on from anti—semitism, diane abbott cannot part of diane abbott cannot be part of web— diane abbott cannot be part of rner nsne.— diane abbott cannot be part of that future,-her- diane abbott cannot be part of that future, her comments that future, given her comments besn— that future, given her comments bed-end— that future, given her comments bern-end rn— that future, given her comments both-and in the— that future, given her comments both and in the past. both now and in the past. a rengn— both now and in the past. a tough conversation . tough conversation. ian, gentlemen.— tough conversation. ian, gentlemen, thank you for your time and considered thoughts. gentlemen, thank you for your time wallace sidered thoughts. gentlemen, thank you for your timewallace simonsthoughts. gentlemen, thank you for your timewallace simons and ghts. gentlemen, thank you for your timewallace simons and yosef jake wallace simons and yosef david and well, we've been asking you on twitter whether or not diane abbott should be expelled from the labour party. i'll be giving you the results of that poll straight after the break. also coming up with the punst break. also coming up with the pundits as we celebrate saint george's day, is it time for an engush george's day, is it time for an english parliament? should all gambling ads be banned ? and gambling ads be banned? and would you tell your friend or loved one were being loved one if they were being cheated on? all of that after this .

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i'm in trouble— outcome of the next election? i'm in trouble with christina. hi, christina,— i'm in trouble with christina. hi, christina, she— i'm in trouble with christina. hi, christina, she says. hi, rink.— hi, christina, she says. hi, werk. r— hi, christina, she says. hi, mark. i love— hi, christina, she says. hi, mark. i love the- hi, christina, she says. hi, mark. i love the show , but don't mark. i love the show, but don't diss— mark. i love the show, but don't ddss sne— mark. i love the show, but don't ddss sne dske— mark. i love the show, but don't diss the isle of— mark. i love the show, but don't diss the isle of wight as a bend— diss the isle of wight as a proud islander,— diss the isle of wight as a proud islander, it's actually nnsn— proud islander, it's actually much more peaceful here than adbende— much more peaceful here than albania. going— much more peaceful here than albania. going back to suella, wene— albania. going back to suella, wene ngns— albania. going back to suella, you're right. she— albania. going back to suella, you're right. she could secure a big rnrnre— you're right. she could secure a big rnrnre rer— you're right. she could secure a big future for herself if she's wiring— big future for herself if she's wibng re— big future for herself if she's willing to take— big future for herself if she's willing to take the risk and the trek. — willing to take the risk and the trek. rne— willing to take the risk and the flak. the main— willing to take the risk and the flak. the main problem, which nebedw— flak. the main problem, which nobody-discuss,- nobody wants to discuss, is overpopulation.— overpopulation. this country is so overpopulation. this country is sene-— overpopulation. this country is enen-nee- so full now that we're desrrewrng — so full now that we're destroying our fields and our terms— destroying our fields and our terms witn— destroying our fields and our farms with the— destroying our fields and our farms with the argument that we need— farms with the argument that we need-nenses— farms with the argument that we need houses, actually need more houses, we actually need— need more houses, we actually need fewer— need more houses, we actually need fewer people. is need fewer people. france is vdnneuw— need fewer people. france is vrnnedw enbrw— need fewer people. france is virtually empty comparison. virtually empty by comparison. so virtually empty by comparison. se wnw— virtually empty by comparison. se wnw ner— virtually empty by comparison. so why not accommodate people wnere— so why not accommodate people wnere snee— so why not accommodate people where there is— so why not accommodate people where there is room? the issue is overdevelopment of in benrsnker— is overdevelopment of in particular england , and that particular england, and that send— particular england, and that senkd be— particular england, and that senkd be e— particular england, and that could be a big— particular england, and that could be a big issue for the redes— could be a big issue for the renes er— could be a big issue for the tories at the— could be a big issue for the tories at the next election . tories at the next election. however, this— tories at the next election. however, this from steve, who inst— however, this from steve, who tnsr sews— however, this from steve, who tnsr sews rner— however, this from steve, who tnsr sews rner r— however, this from steve, who just says that i do— however, this from steve, who just says that i do not support the just says that i do not support sne bebsdes— just says that i do not support the policies of— just says that i do not support the policies of suella braverman and the policies of suella braverman end sne— the policies of suella braverman and the tories— the policies of suella braverman and the tories will— the policies of suella braverman and the tories will lose the new— and the tories will lose the next election.— and the tories will lose the next election. there you go. webb— next election. there you go. wed. dds— next election. there you go. well, it's all— next election. there you go. well, it's all about opinion. keen— well, it's all about opinion.| keen—er keep them coming. mark at sbwewsnk— keep them coming. mark at sbwewsnk .— keep them coming. mark at gbnews.uk . let's get reaction gbnews.uk. let's get reaction re— gbnews.uk. let's get reaction now to some of— gbnews.uk. let's get reaction now to some of the other big srenes— now to some of the other big srenes er— now to some of the other big stories of the— now to some of the other big stories of the day— now to some of the other big stories of the day with my tensesds— stories of the day with my fantastic pundits. two brand new srers— fantastic pundits. two brand new srers en— fantastic pundits. two brand new srers en werk— fantastic pundits. two brand new stars on mark dolan tonight, snerdden— stars on mark dolan tonight,l guardian—author guardian columnist and author redw— guardian columnist and author rekkw bwnbee— guardian columnist and author polly toynbee, whose book, polly toynbee, whose new book,

wew— polly toynbee, whose new book, wew beek— polly toynbee, whose new book, wew beek. rs— polly toynbee, whose new book, new book, is coming out in a senbke— new book, is coming out in a senbke er— new book, is coming out in a couple of months. look forward to couple of months. look forward re-keek— couple of months. look forward to-looklthat. - couple of months. look forwardj to-looklthat. we've to having a look at that. we've ebse— to having a look at that. we've ebse ger— to having a look at that. we've also got writer— to having a look at that. we've also got writer and commentator re-knne— also got writer and commentator jo—anne broadcaster jo—anne nadler and broadcaster and financial analyst albie anenkene— and financial analyst albie anenkene .— and financial analyst albie amankona . now we have a welsh amankona. now we have a welsh sende— amankona. now we have a welsh senere end— amankona. now we have a welsh senere end we— amankona. now we have a welsh senate and we have— amankona. now we have a welsh senate and we have a scottish rerbenenr— senate and we have a scottish parliament and— senate and we have a scottish parliament and of— senate and we have a scottish parliament and of course the wennern— parliament and of course the northern irish— parliament and of course the northern irish assembly. but as redew— northern irish assembly. but as redew rs— northern irish assembly. but as redew is sent— northern irish assembly. but as today is saint george's day, eskdng— today is saint george's day, we're asking is— today is saint george's day, we're asking is it time for an rngbsn— we're asking is it time for an english parliament? albie i rndnk— english parliament? albie i rndnk nw— english parliament? albie i think my question would be what wenkd— think my question would be what wenkd en— think my question would be what would an english— think my question would be what would an english parliament esrneuw— would an english parliament actually achieve— would an english parliament actually achieve ? 2“ . actually achieve? i'm in favour of less government. i don't like too much bureaucracy . i just too much bureaucracy. i just don't know what an english national parliament would be for just for instilling a sense of patriotism and britons. i think there are probably better, cheaper effective ways cheaper and more effective ways of . and actually, of doing that. and actually, let's forget of let's not forget the house of commons at the commons that we have at the moment essentially an english moment is essentially an english parliament. the health parliament. you know, the health secretary health secretary is the health secretary is the health secretary for england. the education secretary is the education secretary is the education secretary, justice, secretary . of secretary for england. most of the mps are sitting in english seats. so i just don't know what the point of an english national

parliament be. symbolism parliament would be. symbolism jo—anne nadler well, it's sbgnrkw— jo—anne nadler well, it's- slightly _ because slightly more than that because rnere-s— there's sort of technical anomalies— there's sort of technical anomalies have arisen there's sort of technical- anomalies-have arisen from anomalies that have arisen from deveknden— anomalies that have arisen from devolution.iso_ anomalies that have arisen from devolution.iso we— anomalies that have arisen from devolution. so we have a situation in in the house of commons where you have scottish mps on and as you say, mps voting on and as you say, issues which largely affect england. so there has been an attempt, i think, to try and address that in the past. but interestingly it didn't last. it only lasted for about five years in the house commons and it in the house of commons and it was something was called something like english. english evil, yes, evil engush english. english evil, yes, evil english votes for english laws. but as you say, it added a kind of not quite another layer of bureaucracy, but another layer of complication to the legislative process. so it was done away with. but i mean, in principle, i actually don't think it's a good idea. if anything, i'd like to go back in the direction try and the other direction and try and reinstate of primacy of reinstate the sort of primacy of the and move the house of commons and move away from what i think has been away from what i think has been a rather divisive kyiv direction of travel in insofar as devolution concerns. well, yes, new labour's project of devolution seems to have backfired , doesn't it, polly? i backfired, doesn't it, polly? i don't think so at all. i mean,

dds.— don't think so at all. i mean, its wen— don't think so at all. i mean, dds. wen knew.— don't think so at all. i mean, it's, you know, it's in the process of being drawn up. gordon produced very gordon brown produced a very interesting it. interesting report about it. i think we really do. i think there a sense in this there is a great sense in this country that of out—of—touchness of westminster , where wherever of westminster, where wherever you , what people say time and you go, what people say time and time again , some ways it's sort time again, some ways it's sort of the unrest that brought the brexit vote . what we really need brexit vote. what we really need is to devolve . people really is to devolve. people really want closer to home and want power closer to home and mayors have worked very well and that sort of entity all over england would be a very good idea . but they need power, idea. but they need power, money, money raising power, real power , not just sort of power, not just sort of responsible motty without the cash , without the influence, cash, without the influence, without. do cash, without the influence, without . do you think that keir without. do you think that keir sterner.— without. do you think that keir sterner. b— without. do you think that keir sterner. b be— without. do you think that keir starmer, if he wins— do you think that keir starmer, if he wins the next ekesden— starmer, if he wins the next election, which _ starmer, if he wins the next election, which looks likely ber— election, which looks likely rner neu— election, which looks likely that he'll be _ election, which looks likely that he'll be more of a federalist— that he'll be more of a federalist leader ? federalist leader? i think he wid- — federalist leader? i think he wid- r— federalist leader? i think he will. i mean, he's , he's will. i mean, he's, he's committed himself to devolution . i mean, it is very difficult. and also it goes together, and it's also it goes together, perhaps the house of lords perhaps with the house of lords reform, which might be reformed in a way was , as you in a way that it was, as you know , regional representatives .

know, regional representatives. i mean, the mayors might sit on it. people from around the country elected already, but not necessarily directed to the lords. that's one thought devolution _ lords. that's one thought devolution may- 2 that's one thought devolution may have its advantages,— devolution may have its advantages, but it has backfired in terms— advantages, but it has backfired in terms er— advantages, but it has backfired in terms of quelling nationalism . wenkdn-r— in terms of quelling nationalism .wenkdn-r wen— in terms of quelling nationalism , wouldn't you say? look at the newer— , wouldn't you say? look at the newer end— , wouldn't you say? look at the newer end sne— , wouldn't you say? look at the power and the strength of the swr— power and the strength of the swr .— power and the strength of the swr . r— power and the strength of the swr . r neen— power and the strength of the snp . i mean, this is the snp. i mean, this is the ennesrre— snp. i mean, this is the ennesrre er— snp. i mean, this is the opposite of what labour wanted to opposite of what labour wanted re esbdeve— opposite of what labour wanted to achieve. well— opposite of what labour wanted to achieve. well the snp's power is sbgndw— to achieve. well the snp's power is some dess— to achieve. well the snp's power is slightly less than it was. tbs— is slightly less than it was. be weke— is slightly less than it was. the halo has— is slightly less than it was. the halo has slipped,- is slightly less than it was. the halo has slipped, i- is slightly less than it was. the halo has slipped, i think. i don't think the snp's power is the great thing to talk about just now. i think labour's going, but they've had a decade haven't they. quite a few snp seats. okay. interesting stuff. yeah. we watch with interest wner— yeah. we watch with interest wner-wenn- yeah. we watch with interest what- north of- yeah. we watch with interest what north of the yeah. we watch with interest- what- north of the border what happens north of the border new—er— what happens north of the border news—er neenkei next year. now 52% of people bebeve— next year. now 52% of people bebeve-eu— next year. now 52% of people believe all gambling ads believe that all gambling ads snenkd— believe that all gambling ads should _that's- should be banned. that's esserddng— should be banned. that's according recent should be banned. that's according-recent by according to a recent survey by genbbng— according to a recent survey by gambling-lives— according to a recent survey by gambling lives and gambling gambling with lives and gambling can gambling with lives and gambling sen-dives.— gambling with lives and gambling sen-bves bns— gambling with lives and gambling can-lives. but is— gambling with lives and gambling can lives. but is also can ruin lives. but is also nernkess— can ruin lives. but is also harmless fun— can ruin lives. but is also harmless fun for many. so is it sine— harmless fun for many. so is it drne re— harmless fun for many. so is it drne re ben— harmless fun for many. so is it time to ban all— harmless fun for many. so is it time to ban all gambling advertisements? and would it werk— advertisements? and would it werk e— advertisements? and would it work ? joanne?— advertisements? and would it work ? joanne? no, no , it's not work? joanne? no, no, it's not sine— work? joanne? no, no, it's not drne re— work? joanne? no, no, it's not drne re ben— work? joanne? no, no, it's not time to ban them. ' 2 . time to ban them. and no, it wouldn't work. as you say, the majority of people who gamble

gamble safely . those people who gamble safely. those people who are effective, adversely are affected adversely. affected extremely adversely. and it's a very dangerous addiction in. but i've not seen the research that connects advertising of gambling specifically albie to those people who have that addiction on that basis , we'd be you'd be on that basis, we'd be you'd be banning the advertising of all sorts of things that can become addictive. so it seems to me a bit of a kind of knee jerk reaction to conflate the two things and, and, and, and not particularly effective, if that's what the concern is. is this a way of framing gambling in ne— this a way of framing gambling in be wew— this a way of framing gambling in the way that— this a way of framing gambling in the way that we framed snekdng— in the way that we framed snekdng rn— in the way that we framed smoking in the— in the way that we framed smoking in the 80s and 90s to neke— smoking in the 80s and 90s to neke genbbng— smoking in the 80s and 90s to make gambling a— smoking in the 80s and 90s to make gambling a bad thing to remove advertising tax it more ndgnkw— remove advertising tax it more nrgnkw end— remove advertising tax it more highly and encourage people not to highly and encourage people not be de— highly and encourage people not be de be — highly and encourage people not be de be r— highly and encourage people not to do it? i think— highly and encourage people not to do it? i think that's- to do it? i think that's a strong point. instinctively, instinctively, i'm not in favour of banning things. i think if the public don't like something, it's very easy for a government to say, here's something you don't make a law to don't like, i'll make a law to ban and it's popular ban it. and it's very popular with voters that we've seen as we've this polling.

we've seen in this polling. i think the things that think one of the things that they mentioning they think one of the things that they actuallytioning they think one of the things that they actually takeig they think one of the things that they actually take from they think one of the things that they actually take from this ay might actually take from this report, the report, one of the recommendations is that they want levy the profits of want to levy the profits of these gambling companies somehow. really sure how somehow. i'm not really sure how that work. i don't know if that would work. i don't know if i'm necessarily comfortable with that very that either. however, it's very easy oh , i like easy to say, oh, i don't like these for problem these solutions for big problem . um, you know, gambling is a huge lot of people huge problem for a lot of people and hits some the and actually hits some of the poorest in society poorest people in our society the most. and i do think it is probably right that that the government does something to help. i just worry that help. yes. and i just worry that nreressdenek— help. yes. and i just worry that professional sport,— yes. and i just worry that professional sport, for example, is professional sport, for example, ds-renense— professional sport, for example, is reliance investment professional sport, for example, is gambling investment professional sport, for example, is gambling companies,ent professional sport, for example, is gambling companies, which i from gambling companies, which i rndnk— from gambling companies, which i rndnk rs— from gambling companies, which i rndnk dslbb— from gambling companies, which i rndnk dslbn er— from gambling companies, which i think islbit of a— from gambling companies, which i think is bit of a deal with think is a bit of a deal with sne— think is a bit of a deal with be devi. — think is a bit of a deal with the devil. but— think is a bit of a deal with the devil. but there you go. beds— the devil. but there you go. beds berk— the devil. but there you go. let's talk about— the devil. but there you go. let's talk about matters of the neen— let's talk about matters of the heart - because _ let's talk about matters of the heart-because a- let's talk about matters of the heart because a man heart now, because a man ddssevered— heart now, because a man discovered-his- heart now, because a man discovered his grey discovered that his grey grandmother— discovered that his grey grandmother was cheating on his grendded— grandmother was cheating on his grendded wns— grandmother was cheating on his granddad who knew? he wrote in to granddad who knew? he wrote in re sne— granddad who knew? he wrote in be be brewe— granddad who knew? he wrote in to the metro newspaper for edvdse— to the metro newspaper for edvdse en— to the metro newspaper for advice on whether or not he snenkd — advice on whether or not he snenkd-nds— advice on whether or not he should-his gran- advice on whether or not he should-his gran .- advice on whether or not he should his gran . so would should out his gran. so would you— should out his gran. so would wen red— should out his gran. so would wen red wenr— should out his gran. so would you tell your friend or loved nene-kw— you tell your friend or loved one-knew they- you tell your friend or loved one knew they were being one if you knew they were being sneeded — one if you knew they were being cheated-albie— one if you knew they were being cheated albie think cheated on? albie i think i nrebebkw— cheated on? albie i think i probably would. 2“ cheated on? albie i think i probably would. “ probably would. i mean, i was reading the story and i was quite shocked to read that this

this young man was calling his grandmother an tart. i mean, grandmother an old tart. i mean, i couldn't couldn't ever imagine calling my grandmother so calling my grandmother that. so i that was quite rude. i thought that was quite rude. but think think that you but no, i think i think that you can handle the situation with care. and i always think honesty is the best policy. i don't know, though, because in a way you're interfering with people's lives. if out affair, lives. if you out an affair, een-r— lives. if you out an affair, aren't-polly? - lives. if you out an affair,j aren't-polly? idon't lives. if you out an affair,- aren't-polly? idon't think aren't you, polly? i don't think you that. i it's you should do that. i think it's people their own people to sort out their own lives maybe things fade lives and maybe things fade away, get forgotten. maybe it's, you she gets over it. and you know, she gets over it. and it would been better never it would have been better never to it. i just think that to raise it. i just think that interfering. because you think you know better about other people's marriages, very people's marriages, mostly very unwise. i people's marriages, mostly very unwise . i mean, you are sitting unwise. i mean, you are sitting on unwise. i mean, you are sitting en e verv— unwise. i mean, you are sitting en e verw ner— unwise. i mean, you are sitting on a very hot piece— unwise. i mean, you are sitting on a very hot piece of- on a very hot piece of information,- on a very hot piece of information, aren't if you information, aren't you? if you find— information, aren't you? if you rind-sne— information, aren't you? if you rind-rned e— information, aren't you? if you find .that a friend- information, aren't you? if you find that a friend is being find out that a friend is being sneered— find out that a friend is being. cheated—member, cheated on or a family member, it'slresponsibility_ cheated on or a family member, it'slresponsibility .— cheated on or a family member, it's responsibility . it's it's a responsibility. it's a bnrden. — it's a responsibility. it's a burden. joanne.- it's a responsibility. it's a burden. 2“ . it's a responsibility. it's a- burden. joanne. it's a horrible dilemma to have. glad i've dilemma to have. i'm glad i've never but i was never had it, frankly, but i was thinking about it knowing that we might discuss this in advance and of alighted on a bit and i sort of alighted on a bit of a compromise situation , which of a compromise situation, which is i'd be inclined is that i think i'd be inclined to word with the person

to have a word with the person that was having the affair and suggest that they maybe try to put right, speak to gran, put things right, speak to gran, speak because i think speak to. yeah, because i think ber— speak to. yeah, because i think bed-wew— speak to. yeah, because i think nbes-wew sne— speak to. yeah, because i think that-way the grand- yeah, because i think that way the grand son is that in a way the grand son is a nene— that in a way the grand son is a nene vvesekn — that in a way the grand son is a home wrecker. yeah— that in a way the grand son is a home wrecker. yeah i think it send— home wrecker. yeah i think it senkd be. — home wrecker. yeah i think it senkd be. r— home wrecker. yeah i think it could be. i mean,- home wrecker. yeah i think it could be. 2“ could be. i mean, i'm i'm inclined agree with polly on inclined to agree with polly on this one. all right. well, look , well gran, for having , well done, gran, for having such love life. such a colourful love life. lucky you . coming up next, such a colourful love life. - lucky you . coming up next, my lucky you. coming up next, my new— lucky you. coming up next, my nerk-gnesd— lucky you. coming up next, my nerk-gnesd rs— lucky you. coming up next, my mark guest is former tory mark meets guest is former tory mp mark meets guest is former tory rdr nnder— mark meets guest is former tory mp under margaret thatcher. wervew— mp under margaret thatcher. renew-e— mp under margaret thatcher. wervew-e nen- mp under margaret thatcher. harvey a man falsely harvey proctor, a man falsely ssnsed— harvey proctor, a man falsely ssnsed er— harvey proctor, a man falsely accused of murder and being part of accused of murder and being part er en— accused of murder and being part er en rnegrnerw— accused of murder and being part of an imaginary ring in westminster- of an imaginary ring in westminster . it's of an imaginary ring in westminster. it's a of an imaginary ring in westminster . it's a shocking westminster. it's a shocking stow-— westminster. it's a shocking srerw. ven— westminster. it's a shocking story. you won't— westminster. it's a shocking story. you won't believe it. and dneds— story. you won't believe it. and rneds .—

next it's i next. wsfime | weed- it's time now for | weed— it's time now for mark meets. and— it's time now for mark meets. and dendgnd— it's time now for mark meets. and rendgnd .— it's time now for mark meets. and tonight , former conservative and tonight, former conservative rnernebr— and tonight, former conservative rnernebr er— and tonight, former conservative member of parliament under wergered— member of parliament under margaret thatcher, harvey dresser.— margaret thatcher, harvey proctor, whose _ margaret thatcher, harvey proctor, whose illustrious career and reputation were desdrewed— career and reputation were desrrewed bw— career and reputation were destroyed by a— career and reputation were destroyed by a series of sennkerekw— destroyed by a series of completely false allegations bed— completely false allegations rned ne— completely false allegations dned ne es— completely false allegations that he was guilty of murder and

part— that he was guilty of murder and new er— that he was guilty of murder and new e e— that he was guilty of murder and part of a mythical— that he was guilty of murder and part of a mythical ring in westminster— part of a mythical ring in westminster .— part of a mythical ring in westminster . a groundless story westminster. a groundless story neddked— westminster. a groundless story neddked bw— westminster. a groundless story neddked bw sne— westminster. a groundless story peddled by the fantasist carl beesn— peddled by the fantasist carl beesn .— peddled by the fantasist carl beech , who's— peddled by the fantasist carl beech , who's now serving 18 beech, who's now serving 18 weers— beech, who's now serving 18 weers rn— beech, who's now serving 18 years in prison— beech, who's now serving 18 years in prison following their bedsned— years in prison following their botched operation midland investigation. _ botched operation midland investigation. and having been rennd— investigation. and having been rennd re— investigation. and having been found to have— investigation. and having been found to have made at least 40 ndsdekes— found to have made at least 40 ndsdekes rn— found to have made at least 40 mistakes in their— found to have made at least 40 mistakes in their investigation . sne— mistakes in their investigation , even the police— mistakes in their investigation , even the police apologised to renew— , even the police apologised to renew dresser.— , even the police apologised to harvey proctor, and in 2019 he is renened— harvey proctor, and in 2019 he is renened de— harvey proctor, and in 2019 he is reported to have received eknesd— is reported to have received eknesd dr— is reported to have received almost £1 million in compensation and legal fees almost £1 million in— compensation and legal fees from the compensation and legal fees from be wed.— compensation and legal fees from the met. police— compensation and legal fees from the met. police as— compensation and legal fees from the met. police as well. after seven years of— the met. police as well. after seven years of hell and the loss of seven years of hell and the loss er nrs— seven years of hell and the loss er nrs needn— seven years of hell and the loss of his health, both— seven years of hell and the loss of his health, both mental and nnwsrseb— of his health, both mental and nnwsrsen sne— of his health, both mental and physical, the loss— of his health, both mental and physical, the loss of his home, his livelihood— physical, the loss of his home, his livelihood and— physical, the loss of his home, his livelihood and his reputation.- his livelihood and his reputation. i'm delighted to say snen— reputation. i'm delighted to say rned ne— reputation. i'm delighted to say that he prevails— reputation. i'm delighted to say that he prevails and he lives to red— that he prevails and he lives to red sne— that he prevails and he lives to tell the tale.— that he prevails and he lives to tell the tale. harvey proctor, eske— tell the tale. harvey proctor, eske de— tell the tale. harvey proctor, welcome to mark dolan tonight. seed— welcome to mark dolan tonight. seed evening— welcome to mark dolan tonight. good evening to— welcome to mark dolan tonight. good evening to you. thank you for inviting me on to your program and good evening to your viewers as well. lovely to have you— viewers as well. lovely to have wen witn— viewers as well. lovely to have wen wdn — viewers as well. lovely to have you with us. what— viewers as well. lovely to have you with us. what-your- you with us. what are your enedens— you with us. what are your emotions, harvey, as you once egedn— emotions, harvey, as you once egedn beer— emotions, harvey, as you once again hear-details- emotions, harvey, as you once again hear details that again hear the details of that greed— again hear the details of that great injustice— again hear the details of that great injustice this done to you?— great injustice this done to you? webb— great injustice this done to you? wed. d— great injustice this done to you? well, it still hurts and i

sen-d— you? well, it still hurts and i send dnegdne— you? well, it still hurts and i can't imagine a— you? well, it still hurts and i can't imagine a time when it wid— can't imagine a time when it wit ned- — can't imagine a time when it will not. and— can't imagine a time when it will not. and the— can't imagine a time when it will not. and the impact was so greed. — will not. and the impact was so greed. se— will not. and the impact was so great. so outrageous- will not. and the impact was so great. 3 great. so outrageous that that i don't think i will ever get over it. your don't think i will ever get over it . your health was affected as it. your health was affected as web.— it. your health was affected as web. rd— it. your health was affected as web. rd — it. your health was affected as wekk. rd r— it. your health was affected as well. it was. i was— . your health was affected as well. it was. i was in reasonably- well. it was. i was in reasonably good health, good nnwsrsek— reasonably good health, good physical health. _ reasonably good health, good physical health. i had a number of physical health. i had a number er neddsek— physical health. i had a number of medical issues— physical health. i had a number of medical issues as a result of bed— of medical issues as a result of bed . — of medical issues as a result of bed . od— of medical issues as a result of that . of course,— of medical issues as a result of that . of course, as- of medical issues as a result of that . rt.r2r. 2 that. of course, as you said, i lost my house. i lost my job, i lost my house. i lost my job, i lost my house. i lost my job, i lost my repute. i had death breeds— lost my repute. i had death threats and _ lost my repute. i had death threats and i— lost my repute. i had death threats and i had- lost my repute. i had death threats and i had to- i had death threats and i had to leave the sense— threats and i had to leave the sennrrw rer— threats and i had to leave the country for almost a year. so it snenged— country for almost a year. so it snenged nw— country for almost a year. so it changed my life— country for almost a year. so it changed my life completely. and nderkw— changed my life completely. and new end— changed my life completely. and utterly and cannot— changed my life completely. and utterly and cannot be undone. gu— utterly and cannot be undone. bdd wen— utterly and cannot be undone. brd wen rind— utterly and cannot be undone. did you find out— utterly and cannot be undone. did you find out at that time, dnnng— did you find out at that time, dnnng dnese— did you find out at that time, during those seven years who wenr— during those seven years who wenr rnends— during those seven years who your friends were— during those seven years who your friends were ? uh oh, almost your friends were? uh oh, almost dnneddedekw— your friends were? uh oh, almost dnneddedekw. — your friends were? uh oh, almost immediately. and— your friends were? uh oh, almost immediately. “2 your friends were? uh oh, almost immediately . “2 immediately. and that is to the good that you know who your friends are and who are fair weather friends. and then , of

weather friends. and then, of course, you find out people who said nothing at the time . and said nothing at the time. and then when it was all over , they then when it was all over, they came in to support and of course, a bit little and a bit late. yes. when it was safe to do late. yes. when it was safe to de se— late. yes. when it was safe to de redr— late. yes. when it was safe to do so. fair weather— yes. when it was safe to do so. fair weather friends . if do so. fair weather friends. if you— do so. fair weather friends. if wen senkd— do so. fair weather friends. if you could speak— do so. fair weather friends. if you could speak directly to this twisted— you could speak directly to this rwdsded end— you could speak directly to this twisted and dishonest character, deenkw— twisted and dishonest character, deeply destructive— twisted and dishonest character, deeply destructive personality. sen— deeply destructive personality. sed beesn— deeply destructive personality. carl beech, if— deeply destructive personality. carl beech, if you— deeply destructive personality. carl beech, if you could speak to carl beech, if you could speak be in...— carl beech, if you could speak be it... wned— carl beech, if you could speak to him, what would you say to nine— to him, what would you say to nine r— to him, what would you say to nine r rndnk— to him, what would you say to him? i think i'd— to him, what would you say to him? i think i'd want to know why,— him? i think i'd want to know wnw. bns— him? i think i'd want to know wnw. bnr reedw— him? i think i'd want to know why, but really ,_ him? i think i'd want to know why, but really , i— him? i think i'd want to know why, but really , i wouldn't wish why, but really, i wouldn't wish to why, but really, i wouldn't wish re sneek— why, but really, i wouldn't wish re sneek de— why, but really, i wouldn't wish to speak to him.— why, but really, i wouldn't wish to speak to him. i— why, but really, i wouldn't wish to speak to him. i have a kind of to speak to him. i have a kind er bw— to speak to him. i have a kind of icy contempt— to speak to him. i have a kind of icy contempt that and i try ned— of icy contempt that and i try ned re— of icy contempt that and i try ned re rndnk— of icy contempt that and i try not to think of— of icy contempt that and i try not to think of him or to not rndnk— not to think of him or to not dndnk er— not to think of him or to not think of what— not to think of him or to not think of what he— not to think of him or to not think of what he said and what he think of what he said and what ne swed— think of what he said and what be dried de— think of what he said and what he tried to do— think of what he said and what he tried to do to— think of what he said and what he tried to do to my life. and to he tried to do to my life. and be erners— he tried to do to my life. and to others who— he tried to do to my life. and to others who some of whom died dnnng— to others who some of whom died dnnng sne— to others who some of whom died during the course— to others who some of whom died during the course of— to others who some of whom died during the course of it, or who ned— during the course of it, or who ned ekreedw— during the course of it, or who had already died— during the course of it, or who had already died and couldn't besk.— had already died and couldn't answer back. therefore i feel a resnensrbddw— answer back. therefore i feel a responsibility now— answer back. therefore i feel a responsibility now . i'm the last responsibility now. i'm the last snrvdver— responsibility now. i'm the last snrvdver er— responsibility now. i'm the last survivor of his— responsibility now. i'm the last survivor of his is— responsibility now. i'm the last survivor of his is monstrous

ekkegedens— survivor of his is monstrous allegations to— survivor of his is monstrous allegations to defend them as web— allegations to defend them as web es— allegations to defend them as well as myself— allegations to defend them as well as myself ,_ allegations to defend them as well as myself , including former well as myself, including former bign— well as myself, including former nrgn nerne— well as myself, including former high profile government minister been— high profile government minister been enden— high profile government minister leon brittan and— high profile government minister leon brittan and former prime minister— leon brittan and former prime minister edward— leon brittan and former prime minister edward heath at and serene— minister edward heath at and renner rin— minister edward heath at and former film marshal lord brenebb— former film marshal lord bramall, whose memorial service wdbb— bramall, whose memorial service wdbb be— bramall, whose memorial service wdbb be sendng— bramall, whose memorial service will be coming up— bramall, whose memorial service will be coming up on thursday of this will be coming up on thursday of dis week— will be coming up on thursday of dis week .— will be coming up on thursday of this week . you— will be coming up on thursday of this week . you have prevailed . this week. you have prevailed. however, what— this week. you have prevailed. however, what does the future nerd— however, what does the future nebd rer— however, what does the future nebd be you?— however, what does the future hold for you? because you still neve— hold for you? because you still neve e— hold for you? because you still have a contribution to make ? have a contribution to make? webb— have a contribution to make? webb r— have a contribution to make? well, i would— have a contribution to make? well, i would like to think so . well, i would like to think so. my well, i would like to think so. new kne— well, i would like to think so. new bde nes— well, i would like to think so. my life has been— well, i would like to think so. my life has been about public servdse— my life has been about public servdse .— my life has been about public servdse . us— my life has been about public service , us and— my life has been about public service , us and for a time service, us and for a time i senbdn-r— service, us and for a time i senbdn-d de— service, us and for a time i couldn't do that— service, us and for a time i couldn't do that . i am at the couldn't do that. i am at the rnernend— couldn't do that. i am at the moment back— couldn't do that. i am at the moment back doing the job that i was moment back doing the job that i bened— moment back doing the job that i was forced out— moment back doing the job that i was forced out of— moment back doing the job that i was forced out of and i'm living in ne— was forced out of and i'm living in be nense— was forced out of and i'm living in the house that— was forced out of and i'm living in the house that the metropolitan police raided with 20 metropolitan police raided with zo nense— metropolitan police raided with 20 police officers— metropolitan police raided with 20 police officers in march, zors. — 20 police officers in march, zors. se— 20 police officers in march, zors. se rn— 20 police officers in march, 2015. so i'm back living where i bved— 2015. so i'm back living where i bdved berere. — 2015. so i'm back living where i lived before. so— 2015. so i'm back living where i lived before. so there we are. we— lived before. so there we are. we weve— lived before. so there we are. we we've reclaimed at least that

wenr— we we've reclaimed at least that your professional— we we've reclaimed at least that your professional position. beds— your professional position. bedsdebk— your professional position. let's talk about your time in ne— let's talk about your time in the commons.— let's talk about your time in the commons. nine 1979 to 87. senedndng— the commons. nine 1979 to 87. senedndng er— the commons. nine 1979 to 87. something of a— the commons. nine 1979 to 87. something of a golden era for the something of a golden era for be rew— something of a golden era for be ten nenw.— something of a golden era for the tory party. tell me about wenr— the tory party. tell me about wenr nne— the tory party. tell me about your time serving under your bess— your time serving under your boss, margaret— your time serving under your boss, margaret thatcher. what were your impressions of her as a were your impressions of her as e rnme— were your impressions of her as a prime minister?— were your impressions of her as a prime minister? well, the two best— a prime minister? well, the two best parliaments— a prime minister? well, the two best parliaments since the sesend— best parliaments since the second world _ best parliaments since the second world war, a parliament bed— second world war, a parliament rned wnen— second world war, a parliament rned wnen we— second world war, a parliament that when we went to war, a real end— that when we went to war, a real end r— that when we went to war, a real end r in— that when we went to war, a real war, and 1 in 1979,— that when we went to war, a real war, and 1 in 1979, i— that when we went to war, a real war, and 1 in 1979, i was ebesded— war, and 1 in 1979, i was elected member of parliament for besdbden— elected member of parliament for besdbden bn— elected member of parliament for basildon in essex— elected member of parliament for basildon in essex with a swing of basildon in essex with a swing er eve— basildon in essex with a swing er rn— basildon in essex with a swing of over 11, the— basildon in essex with a swing of over 11, the largest swing to deke — of over 11, the largest swing to deke e— of over 11, the largest swing to deke e seer— of over 11, the largest swing to take a seat in— of over 11, the largest swing to take a seat in england in 1979. so take a seat in england in 1979. se r— take a seat in england in 1979. se r besee— take a seat in england in 1979. se r besee e— take a seat in england in 1979. so i became a member of parliament— so i became a member of parliament at— so i became a member of parliament at the same time as mrs.— parliament at the same time as mrs. rnedsner— parliament at the same time as mrs. thatcher became prime minister— mrs. thatcher became prime minister .— mrs. thatcher became prime minister . a— mrs. thatcher became prime minister . a great honour at that minister. a great honour at that send— minister. a great honour at that senned be— minister. a great honour at that cannot be taken— minister. a great honour at that cannot be taken away from me, debndebw. — cannot be taken away from me, definitely. and _ cannot be taken away from me, definitely. and it— cannot be taken away from me, definitely. and it was i suppose the definitely. and it was i suppose sne disd— definitely. and it was i suppose the first term _ definitely. and it was i suppose the first term was— definitely. and it was i suppose the first term was about winning dned— the first term was about winning bed we— the first term was about winning rned bn— the first term was about winning that war in the— the first term was about winning that war in the falklands war. of that war in the falklands war. or snse— that war in the falklands war. or .— that war in the falklands war. of course , which— that war in the falklands war. of course , which in which of course, which in which bndsn— of course, which in which british forces— of course, which in which british forces prevail and

repairing— british forces prevail and repairing the— british forces prevail and repairing the economy , getting repairing the economy, getting dnrbeden— repairing the economy, getting inflation down,— repairing the economy, getting inflation down, tackling unemployment, and of course by 83 unemployment, and of course by es rndngs— unemployment, and of course by 83 things started— unemployment, and of course by 83 things started to pick up . by 83 things started to pick up. by 87 d— 83 things started to pick up. by 87 is es— 83 things started to pick up. by 87 it was booming. britain wesnd— 87 it was booming. britain wesnd de— 87 it was booming. britain wasn't it? briefly, whilst we got— wasn't it? briefly, whilst we get wen— wasn't it? briefly, whilst we get wen wid— wasn't it? briefly, whilst we got you will definitely get you besk. — got you will definitely get you besk. bw— got you will definitely get you besk. bw sne — got you will definitely get you back. by the way,— got you will definitely get you back. by the way, harvey , your back. by the way, harvey, your ennrerseb— back. by the way, harvey, your ennrerseb er— back. by the way, harvey, your appraisal of rishi _ back. by the way, harvey, your appraisal of rishi sunak , i appraisal of rishi sunak, i dndnk— appraisal of rishi sunak, i dndnk ne-s— appraisal of rishi sunak, i think he's been given a dbbsnbd— think he's been given a difficult task- think he's been given a difficult task , which i think difficult task, which i think nes— difficult task, which i think he's acquitting_ difficult task, which i think he's acquitting himself quite webb— he's acquitting himself quite webb witn— he's acquitting himself quite well with at— he's acquitting himself quite well with at the— he's acquitting himself quite well with at the moment . doesn't well with at the moment. doesn't nesessenbw— well with at the moment. doesn't necessarily mean— well with at the moment. doesn't necessarily mean to— well with at the moment. doesn't necessarily mean to say that nes— necessarily mean to say that ne-s gerng— necessarily mean to say that ne-s gerng re— necessarily mean to say that he's going to win the next genereb— he's going to win the next general election . obviously i general election. obviously i nene— general election. obviously i nene ne— general election. obviously i nene ne dees— general election. obviously i nene ne dees .— general election. obviously i hope he does . but i think the hope he does. but i think the jury— hope he does. but i think the tnrw bs— hope he does. but i think the tnrw rs sdbb— hope he does. but i think the jury is still out— hope he does. but i think the jury is still out on the results of jury is still out on the results er sne— jury is still out on the results e be news— jury is still out on the results of the next general election. bebenr— of the next general election. bebenr neve— of the next general election. labour have a— of the next general election. labour have a great propensity for labour have a great propensity rer besdng— labour have a great propensity for losing elections and starmer seems seems to be— for losing elections and starmer seems seems to be heading to my mind— seems seems to be heading to my mind in— seems seems to be heading to my mind in bed— seems seems to be heading to my mind in that direction. seems seems to be heading to my mind in that direction . ian mind in that direction. ian wervew— mind in that direction. ian harvey proctor,— mind in that direction. ian harvey proctor, candid as ebwews— harvey proctor, candid as ebwews be— harvey proctor, candid as always, do come back and see us end— always, do come back and see us end redr— always, do come back and see us soon and fair play— always, do come back and see us soon and fair play to— always, do come back and see us soon and fair play to you. it's greed— soon and fair play to you. it's greed de— soon and fair play to you. it's greed re neve— soon and fair play to you. it's great to have you— soon and fair play to you. it's great to have you in the studio. weer— great to have you in the studio. weed nn— great to have you in the studio. weer nn. ree— great to have you in the studio. next up, joe biden— great to have you in the studio. next up, joe biden wants wait for next up, joe biden wants wait re d.—

next up, joe biden wants wait re d. rew— next up, joe biden wants wait for it. four more— next up, joe biden wants wait for it. four more years. i'll be deebdng— for it. four more years. i'll be deebdng witn— for it. four more years. i'll be dealing with him— for it. four more years. i'll be dealing with him after this .

it's 10:00 it's10:00 and this is mark beben— it's10:00 and this is mark dolan tonight— it's10:00 and this is mark dolan tonight .— it's10:00 and this is mark dolan tonight. in my take at ten:— dolan tonight. in my take at den ree— dolan tonight. in my take at ten, joe biden— dolan tonight. in my take at ten, joe biden will this week announce he wants another four weers— announce he wants another four weers bn— announce he wants another four weers in ne— announce he wants another four years in the white— announce he wants another four years in the white house. may sed— years in the white house. may sed nekn— years in the white house. may sed nebn — years in the white house. may sed nebn nw— years in the white house. may god help us. my full reaction in inst— god help us. my full reaction in tnsd e— god help us. my full reaction in tnsr e sennbe— god help us. my full reaction in tnsr e sennbe er— god help us. my full reaction in just a couple of minutes. my newsmaker for— just a couple of minutes. my newsmaker for tonight is nebddss— newsmaker for tonight is politics, legend and widdecombe. i'll politics, legend and widdecombe. m be— politics, legend and widdecombe. m be eskdng— politics, legend and widdecombe. i'll be asking an— politics, legend and widdecombe. i'll be asking an whether the dngbdsn— i'll be asking an whether the english should— i'll be asking an whether the english should be more patriotic given— english should be more patriotic gdven sne— english should be more patriotic grven sne besr— english should be more patriotic given the fact that— english should be more patriotic given the fact that it's saint bevdd-s— given the fact that it's saint bevdd-s bew— given the fact that it's saint david's day. happy saint seerge-s— david's day. happy saint seerge-s bew— david's day. happy saint seerge-s bew .- david's day. happy saint george's day , i should say. george's day, i should say. happy— george's day, i should say. nennw send— george's day, i should say. happy saint george's day. see, r-ve— happy saint george's day. see, r-ve ger— happy saint george's day. see, r-ve ged sne— happy saint george's day. see, i've got the name— happy saint george's day. see, i've got the name right. that's new— i've got the name right. that's how unpatriotic_ i've got the name right. that's how unpatriotic the english are. abse— how unpatriotic the english are. abse de— how unpatriotic the english are. also, do-labour_ how unpatriotic the english are. also, do labour still also, do the labour party still neve— also, do the labour party still nevelnrebben— have a problem with anti—semitism and with anti—semitism? um, and with even— anti—semitism? um, and with everw-nnene- anti—semitism? um, and with every phone having every mobile phone having reserved— every mobile phone having received an— every mobile phone having received an alert at 3:00 today,

or received an alert at 3:00 today, erlbeesd— received an alert at 3:00 today, orlleast most— received an alert at 3:00 today, or least most phones, or at least most phones, should the government— or at least most phones, should the government stay out of our bdvese— the government stay out of our bvese werk— the government stay out of our lives? mark dolan— the government stay out of our lives? mark dolan tonight is the nene— lives? mark dolan tonight is the nene er— lives? mark dolan tonight is the nene er sne— lives? mark dolan tonight is the home of the papers at exactly rose— home of the papers at exactly rose snern— home of the papers at exactly 1030 sharp with— home of the papers at exactly 1030 sharp with full reaction dren— 1030 sharp with full reaction nen nw— 1030 sharp with full reaction rren nw ren— 1030 sharp with full reaction from my top pundits tonight who neven-d— from my top pundits tonight who neven-d been— from my top pundits tonight who haven't been told— from my top pundits tonight who haven't been told what to say end— haven't been told what to say end nne— haven't been told what to say and who don't— haven't been told what to say and who don't follow a script. so and who don't follow a script. se big— and who don't follow a script. se brg gnesn— and who don't follow a script. se brg gnesn big— and who don't follow a script. so big guest, big stories and big endndens— so big guest, big stories and big opinions in— so big guest, big stories and big opinions in a— so big guest, big stories and big opinions in a lively hour to dn inst— big opinions in a lively hour to rn tnsd e— big opinions in a lively hour to come in just a moment, i'll be deebdng— come in just a moment, i'll be deebdng witn— come in just a moment, i'll be dealing with bumbling joe biden. but dealing with bumbling joe biden. bnd nnsn— dealing with bumbling joe biden. bnd brsn sne— dealing with bumbling joe biden. but first, the headlines with the but first, the headlines with be ebwews— but first, the headlines with the always cognitively healthy ray the always cognitively healthy kew adddsen— the always cognitively healthy kew adddsen .— ray addison. mobile- ray addison. mobile phone users did not receive today's emergency test alert . at 3 pm, most people alert. at 3 pm, most people received a message on their home screen along with a sound and vibration for up to ten seconds. however users on some networks,

including three, did not. there's also been reports that some people have not been able to make or receive calls since that test. deputy prime minister oliver dowden says the alert could save people's lives in the future. is the case that this has been developed with the national cyber security centre, which forms part of gchq. there will be a very strict rt“ cc ci there will be a very strict procedures in nbese— will be a very strict procedures in nbese rer— will be a very strict procedures in place for its— will be a very strict procedures in place for its authorisation end— in place for its authorisation end d— in place for its authorisation end is wdbb— in place for its authorisation and it will only— in place for its authorisation and it will only be used in a sdneden— and it will only be used in a situation where— and it will only be used in a situation where your viewers bdves— situation where your viewers bdves — situation where your viewers bdves rn— situation where your viewers lives are in danger. i'm determined— lives are in danger. i'm determined that there is a very bign— determined that there is a very ndgn ber— determined that there is a very nrgn ber rer— determined that there is a very high bar for the— determined that there is a very high bar for the usage of this . high bar for the usage of this. bns— high bar for the usage of this. be enne— high bar for the usage of this. the prime minister— high bar for the usage of this. the prime minister has- high bar for the usage of this. the prime minister has hailed the brave efforts of the uk's armed forces after they helped british diplomats and their families to escape fighting in sudan. they carried out a complex mission in the capital, khartoum , alongside other allies khartoum, alongside other allies . hundreds of civilians have died in the violent conflict between the sudanese army and a rival paramilitary group. foreign secretary james cleverly says the government is continuing to ensure the safety

of british nationals who remain in the country . we have taken in the country. we have taken the decision to temporarily close the embassy and to relocate our embassy staff that gives us a the best opportunity to protect our diplomatic support. back into sudan. but we remain absolutely— back into sudan. but we remain absolutely committed to snnnen— remain absolutely committed to snnnen bndsn— remain absolutely committed to support british nationals in swen.— support british nationals in snden. we— support british nationals in sudan. we will— support british nationals in sudan. we will do so in close coordination— sudan. we will do so in close coordination with— sudan. we will do so in close coordination with our international partners. but the besr— international partners. but the best rndng— international partners. but the best thing that— international partners. but the best thing that we can do to snnnen— best thing that we can do to support british— best thing that we can do to support british nationals and indeed— support british nationals and indeed everyone— support british nationals and indeed everyone in sudan is nnsned— indeed everyone in sudan is nnsned sne— indeed everyone in sudan is pushed the generals involved in this conflict— pushed the generals involved in this conflict to— pushed the generals involved in this conflict to bring it to an end.— this conflict to bring it to an end. and— this conflict to bring it to an end. and that— this conflict to bring it to an end. and that will remain the nnendw— end. and that will remain the nnenrw er— end. and that will remain the nnenrw er en— end. and that will remain the priority of our diplomatic focus in ne— priority of our diplomatic focus in be regen— priority of our diplomatic focus in the region . _ priority of our diplomatic focus in the region . in the region. suella braverman has been criticised by an algeria , an asylum seeker, algeria, an asylum seeker, dunng algeria, an asylum seeker, during an extinction rebellion protest outside the home office. 24 year old moon, who crossed the english channel in a small boatin the english channel in a small boat in december, said no human is illegal whilst protesters chanted refugees are welcome

here. the comments come after the home secretary said it's crucial that the government has the power to deport migrants without being blocked by the european court of human rights. 11 small boats carrying nearly 500 people made the dangerous crossing yesterday . diane abbott crossing yesterday. diane abbott has been suspended as a labour mp pending an investigation after she claimed that jewish people are not subject to racism . in an article for the observer newspaper, the former shadow health secretary said jewish people experience prejudice like irish or red headed people, but not racism . she has since not racism. she has since withdrawn the remarks and apologised for any offence caused . however, the labour caused. however, the labour party has called the comments deeply offensive and wrong . and deeply offensive and wrong. and two new pictures of prince louis have been published as he celebrates his fifth birthday today. celebrates his fifth birthday today . he's been photographed today. he's been photographed being pushed in a wheelbarrow by his mother . being pushed in a wheelbarrow by his mother. louis is expected to accompany his siblings in the procession from westminster

abbey during the king's coronation next month. we're on tv online on dab+ radio and on tune in to this is gb news. now back to . back to. mark my back to. mark my thanks to ray addison, who's back in an hour's time. welcome to mark back in an hour's time. welcome re werk beben— back in an hour's time. welcome to mark dolan tonight.- back in an hour's time. welcome to mark dolan tonight. my- to mark dolan tonight. my newsmaker this evening is nebddss— newsmaker this evening is politics legend— newsmaker this evening is politics legend ann widdecombe. politics legend aim widdecombe. i'll politics legend ann widdecombe. m be— politics legend ann widdecombe. m be eskdng— politics legend ann widdecombe. i'll be asking ann— politics legend ann widdecombe. i'll be asking ann whether the dngbsn— i'll be asking ann whether the english should— i'll be asking ann whether the english should be more patriotic ener— english should be more patriotic erder ebb— english should be more patriotic erder ebb d— english should be more patriotic after all, it is— english should be more patriotic after all, it is saint george's bew. — after all, it is saint george's bew. se— after all, it is saint george's day- so happy— after all, it is saint george's day. so happy saint george's day to day. so happy saint george's day re everwee— day. so happy saint george's day to everyone south— day. so happy saint george's day to everyone south of the border. abse— to everyone south of the border. abse de— to everyone south of the border. abse de sne— to everyone south of the border. also, do the labour— to everyone south of the border. also, do the labour party still neve— also, do the labour party still neve e— also, do the labour party still have a problem— also, do the labour party still have a problem with anti—semitism and with every nebdbe— anti—semitism and with every nebrbe nnene— anti—semitism and with every mobile phone having received an eden— mobile phone having received an eben er— mobile phone having received an eben ed soo— mobile phone having received an alert at 3:00 pm— mobile phone having received an alert at 3:00 pm today, at least nest— alert at 3:00 pm today, at least nesr nnenes— alert at 3:00 pm today, at least most phones, should the gevernnenr— most phones, should the government stay out of our lives 7 government stay out of our lives e we-ve— government stay out of our lives e we-ve ger— government stay out of our lives e we-ve ged sne— government stay out of our lives ? we've got the papers at exesdbw— ? we've got the papers at exactly 1030 _ ? we've got the papers at exactly 1030 sharp. mark dolan dendgnd— exactly 1030 sharp. mark dolan rendgnd rs— exactly 1030 sharp. mark dolan renrgnr rs sne— exactly 1030 sharp. mark dolan tonight is the home of the neners— tonight is the home of the neners witn— tonight is the home of the papers with top pundit reaction

on papers with top pundit reaction en se big— papers with top pundit reaction on so big stories,— papers with top pundit reaction on so big stories, big guests end— on so big stories, big guests end ebwews— on so big stories, big guests and always big— on so big stories, big guests and always big opinions. a bdvebw— and always big opinions. a brvebw new— and always big opinions. a lively hour to— and always big opinions. a lively hour to come. first, my deke— lively hour to come. first, my deke .— lively hour to come. first, my deke . ar— lively hour to come. first, my deke . ad den— lively hour to come. first, my take . at ten be,— lively hour to come. first, my take . at ten be, be afraid. be take. at ten be, be afraid. be verw— take. at ten be, be afraid. be verw erredd— take. at ten be, be afraid. be verw erredd .— take. at ten be, be afraid. be very afraid . ed— take. at ten be, be afraid. be very afraid . ed president joe very afraid. ed president joe bdden— very afraid. ed president joe bdden er— very afraid. ed president joe biden or slo— very afraid. ed president joe biden or slo mo— very afraid. ed president joe biden or slo mo joe as i like to sew— biden or slo mo joe as i like to sebb n...— biden or slo mo joe as i like to sebb n... is— biden or slo mo joe as i like to call him, is set— biden or slo mo joe as i like to call him, is set to— biden or slo mo joe as i like to call him, is set to announce sns— call him, is set to announce rnds week— call him, is set to announce this week that— call him, is set to announce this week that he'd like to run for this week that he'd like to run rer wed— this week that he'd like to run rer wed rer— this week that he'd like to run for wait for it— this week that he'd like to run for wait for it another four weers— for wait for it another four weers rn— for wait for it another four weers rn sne— for wait for it another four years in the white house. abdnengn— years in the white house. abrnengn bw— years in the white house. although by the looks of it, he senbd— although by the looks of it, he senbd berebw— although by the looks of it, he could barely manage the next new— could barely manage the next few dews— could barely manage the next few dews. rne— could barely manage the next four days. the wobbly leader of the four days. the wobbly leader of be free— four days. the wobbly leader of the free world— four days. the wobbly leader of the free world who needs to be reminded — the free world who needs to be reminded every— the free world who needs to be reminded every ten minutes that ne-s— reminded every ten minutes that ne-s esdnebbw— reminded every ten minutes that he's actually president and he's the he's actually president and he's sne disd— he's actually president and he's the first commander in chief to neve— the first commander in chief to have more nurses— the first commander in chief to have more nurses than security gnerds— have more nurses than security gnerds. rs— have more nurses than security gnerds. rs sed— have more nurses than security gnerds. rs sed de— have more nurses than security guards. is set to american guards. is set to tell american vedes— guards. is set to tell american vedes dned— guards. is set to tell american voters that-wants- guards. is set to tell american voters that wants to finish voters that he wants to finish sne— voters that he wants to finish sne teb — voters that he wants to finish rne teb even— voters that he wants to finish the job even though it's abundantly— the job even though it's abundantly clear he can barely nnsn— abundantly clear he can barely rdndsn e— abundantly clear he can barely finish a sentence— abundantly clear he can barely finish a sentence .— abundantly clear he can barely finish a sentence . does america finish a sentence. does america wenr— finish a sentence. does america wens rew— finish a sentence. does america wens renr mere— finish a sentence. does america want four more years of this ? want four more years of this? ven— want four more years of this? you see— want four more years of this? you snn— want four more years of this? you see this tie— want four more years of this? you see this tie i— want four more years of this? you see this tie i have- want four more years of this? you see this tie i have with the shamrock on it? this was given to me by one of these guys right here was a hell of a rugby

player. and he beat the hell of a black and tans. oh, god, yes. that famous rugby team, the bbesk— that famous rugby team, the bbesk end— that famous rugby team, the black and tans. _ that famous rugby team, the black and tans. now, i've never been— black and tans. now, i've never been particularly— black and tans. now, i've never been particularly partisan when it been particularly partisan when d ses— been particularly partisan when d de— been particularly partisan when it comes to american politics, bns— it comes to american politics, bnd nw— it comes to american politics, but my preference tends to be for but my preference tends to be be sne— but my preference tends to be be be sneng— but my preference tends to be for the strong candidate rather snen— for the strong candidate rather rnen sne— for the strong candidate rather than the stronger— for the strong candidate rather than the stronger party, given the than the stronger party, given sne besr— than the stronger party, given the fact that— than the stronger party, given the fact that it's— than the stronger party, given the fact that it's the values end— the fact that it's the values end skdbb— the fact that it's the values and skill set— the fact that it's the values and skill set of— the fact that it's the values and skill set of one man or bbes— and skill set of one man or woman that shapes america during snen— woman that shapes america during dnedr rew— woman that shapes america during dnedr renr weers— woman that shapes america during their four years in— woman that shapes america during their four years in charge . their four years in charge. rerege— their four years in charge. rerege bbes— their four years in charge. farage that said, the democrats neve— farage that said, the democrats neve drenned— farage that said, the democrats neve droppedr rn— farage that said, the democrats have dropped, in my estimation in resend— have dropped, in my estimation in recent years— have dropped, in my estimation in recent years with barack ebene— in recent years with barack obama insulting this country by sewing— obama insulting this country by sewrng we-d— obama insulting this country by sewrng new be— obama insulting this country by saying we'd be at— obama insulting this country by saying we'd be at the back of be— saying we'd be at the back of be nnene— saying we'd be at the back of be gnene der— saying we'd be at the back of the queue for a— saying we'd be at the back of the queue for a trade deal if we dered— the queue for a trade deal if we dered de— the queue for a trade deal if we dared to leave— the queue for a trade deal if we dared to leave the— the queue for a trade deal if we dared to leave the european dnden. — dared to leave the european dnden. wned— dared to leave the european union. what a— dared to leave the european union. what a slap in the face. and— union. what a slap in the face. and dd— union. what a slap in the face. and dd es— union. what a slap in the face. and it was the— union. what a slap in the face. and it was the democratic blue sdedes— and it was the democratic blue sdedes wne— and it was the democratic blue states who were— and it was the democratic blue states who were the worst nnrvewers— states who were the worst nnrvewers ed— states who were the worst purveyors of covid tyranny with beskdewns— purveyors of covid tyranny with lockdowns and _ purveyors of covid tyranny with lockdowns and mask and vaccine nendedes— lockdowns and mask and vaccine nendedes der— lockdowns and mask and vaccine mandates far more— lockdowns and mask and vaccine mandates far more egregious and sdnsd— mandates far more egregious and sdnsd dnen— mandates far more egregious and sdnsd dnen rn— mandates far more egregious and strict than in red— mandates far more egregious and strict than in red states like ken— strict than in red states like ron desantis_ strict than in red states like ron desantis ,_ strict than in red states like ron desantis , florida or greg ron desantis, florida or greg abbedds— ron desantis, florida or greg abbott's texas— ron desantis, florida or greg abbott's texas .— ron desantis, florida or greg abbott's texas . and it was abbott's texas. and it was bdden-s— abbott's texas. and it was biden's white— abbott's texas. and it was biden's white house who leaned on

biden's white house who leaned en sesdeb— biden's white house who leaned on social media— biden's white house who leaned on social media giants like rwddder— on social media giants like rwddder de— on social media giants like twitter to destroy free speech end— twitter to destroy free speech end srnsn— twitter to destroy free speech and crush dissent during covid slo and crush dissent during covid sbe ne— and crush dissent during covid sbe ne ree— and crush dissent during covid sbe ne tee is— and crush dissent during covid slo mo joe is, in— and crush dissent during covid slo mo joe is, in my view, nresrddng— slo mo joe is, in my view, nresrdrng eve— slo mo joe is, in my view, presiding over the downfall of the presiding over the downfall of be greedesd— presiding over the downfall of the greatest nation on earth. rne— the greatest nation on earth. rne unred— the greatest nation on earth. the united states , a global the united states, a global beesn— the united states, a global bees ed— the united states, a global beacon of enterprise diversity, denesresw— beacon of enterprise diversity, democracy and _ beacon of enterprise diversity, democracy and freedom under slo mo democracy and freedom under slo ne ree— democracy and freedom under slo ne wee anensen— democracy and freedom under slo mo joe american cities are debbdng— mo joe american cities are rebbrng enen.— mo joe american cities are falling apart. riven with homelessness, drug abuse , homelessness, drug abuse, vdebense— homelessness, drug abuse, vdebense end— homelessness, drug abuse, violence and social disorder for ebb.— violence and social disorder for ebb wndbsd— violence and social disorder for all. whilst the— violence and social disorder for all. whilst the most woke nresddend— all. whilst the most woke president in— all. whilst the most woke president in history backs ddvdsdve— president in history backs divisive causes- president in history backs divisive causes like the black bdves— divisive causes like the black lives matter— divisive causes like the black lives matter movement effectively _ lives matter movement effectively marxists who want to desdrew— effectively marxists who want to desdrew dne — effectively marxists who want to destroy the nuclear family, dednnd— destroy the nuclear family, dednnd dne — destroy the nuclear family, defund the police, and end senrdebdsn— defund the police, and end senrdebdsn .— defund the police, and end capitalism . am— defund the police, and end capitalism . am now be clear , capitalism. am now be clear, rs— capitalism. am now be clear, racism is the— capitalism. am now be clear, racism is the most evil stain on nnnenddw— racism is the most evil stain on nnnenddw end— racism is the most evil stain on humanity and casts an appalling snedew— humanity and casts an appalling snedew eve— humanity and casts an appalling shadow over america society. but ebw— shadow over america society. but bbrd rs— shadow over america society. but bbrd rs ned— shadow over america society. but bbrd rs ned sne— shadow over america society. but blm is not the answer. and in de— blm is not the answer. and in sbe ne— blm is not the answer. and in sbe ree— blm is not the answer. and in sbe tee is— blm is not the answer. and in slo mo, joe is more than happy to slo mo, joe is more than happy be see— slo mo, joe is more than happy to see teenagers— slo mo, joe is more than happy to see teenagers mutilated with gender— to see teenagers mutilated with gender reassignment surgery and

nnbenw— gender reassignment surgery and puberty blockers— gender reassignment surgery and puberty blockers in order to nernednede— puberty blockers in order to perpetuate the _ puberty blockers in order to perpetuate the madness of gender ddeebegw— perpetuate the madness of gender rdeebegw. wndsn— perpetuate the madness of gender ideology, which says you can snenge— ideology, which says you can snenge wenr— ideology, which says you can change your sex— ideology, which says you can change your sex whatever your ege.— change your sex whatever your ege. regerdbess— change your sex whatever your age, regardless of— change your sex whatever your age, regardless of the consequences . don't forget, this consequences. don't forget, this is sne— consequences. don't forget, this is the president— consequences. don't forget, this is the president who presided sne— is the president who presided over the catastrophic surrender to over the catastrophic surrender be be — over the catastrophic surrender to the taliban— over the catastrophic surrender to the taliban in— over the catastrophic surrender to the taliban in afghan de—man, beevdng— to the taliban in afghan de—man, leaving billions— to the taliban in afghan de—man, leaving billions of— to the taliban in afghan de—man, leaving billions of dollars wenn— leaving billions of dollars wenn ed— leaving billions of dollars worth of military equipment in the worth of military equipment in be bends— worth of military equipment in be nends ed— worth of military equipment in the hands of those lawless woman being.— the hands of those lawless woman hating, homophobic— the hands of those lawless woman hating, homophobic gangsters. the hating, homophobic gangsters. rne rebben— hating, homophobic gangsters. the taliban themselves . the taliban themselves. anenses— the taliban themselves. america's clumsy withdrawal was a america's clumsy withdrawal was e nenend— america's clumsy withdrawal was e nenend ed— america's clumsy withdrawal was a moment of national shame for a greed— a moment of national shame for a greed end— a moment of national shame for a once great and proud country. we— once great and proud country. rne esenenw— once great and proud country. the economy is— once great and proud country. the economy is in the toilet to win— the economy is in the toilet to win dned— the economy is in the toilet to with that terrifying debt sedbdng — with that terrifying debt ceiling set— with that terrifying debt ceiling set to- with that terrifying debt ceiling set to go even higher, demonstrate— ceiling set to go even higher, demonstrate that for all their economic growth— demonstrate that for all their economic growth , america is so economic growth, america is so even— economic growth, america is so everbw evereged— economic growth, america is so overly averaged now, so indebted . and— overly averaged now, so indebted . and dds— overly averaged now, so indebted . and dds e— overly averaged now, so indebted . and it's a business model that wenbd— . and it's a business model that wenbd keen— . and it's a business model that would keep even— . and it's a business model that would keep even the notorious ddnensdeb— would keep even the notorious financial crook— would keep even the notorious financial crook bernard madoff, eweke— financial crook bernard madoff, eweke ed— financial crook bernard madoff, awake at night— financial crook bernard madoff, awake at night ,_ financial crook bernard madoff, awake at night, worrying and ben— awake at night, worrying and four more years— awake at night, worrying and four more years of biden would be bed— four more years of biden would be bed der— four more years of biden would

be bad for britain.— four more years of biden would be bad for britain. this nresddend— be bad for britain. this president clearly has a chip on his shoulder— president clearly has a chip on his shoulder about this country rednsdng— his shoulder about this country rednsdng de— his shoulder about this country refusing to give— his shoulder about this country refusing to give interviews to the refusing to give interviews to be bns— refusing to give interviews to the bbc because— refusing to give interviews to the bbc because it's british sdddng— the bbc because it's british sdddng wddn— the bbc because it's british siding with the— the bbc because it's british siding with the eu on brexit and the siding with the eu on brexit and be wennern— siding with the eu on brexit and the northern ireland protocol sdebbdng— the northern ireland protocol sdebbdng en— the northern ireland protocol sdebbdng en e— the northern ireland protocol stalling on a trade deal that drnnn— stalling on a trade deal that drnnn. der— stalling on a trade deal that trump, for all— stalling on a trade deal that trump, for all his sins, would neve— trump, for all his sins, would neve sdgned— trump, for all his sins, would have signed in— trump, for all his sins, would have signed in his sleep and denensbw— have signed in his sleep and famously snubbing our great king snerbes— famously snubbing our great king snerbes der— famously snubbing our great king charles for what— famously snubbing our great king charles for what is— famously snubbing our great king charles for what is the biggest constitutional— charles for what is the biggest constitutional moment for this senndrw— constitutional moment for this senndrw dn— constitutional moment for this senndrw dn do— constitutional moment for this country in 70 years. the coronation— country in 70 years. the coronation so- country in 70 years. the coronation so much for the snesdeb— coronation so much for the special relationship ship given the special relationship ship given dne dnreed— special relationship ship given the threat of— special relationship ship given the threat of china economically . ndbdderw— the threat of china economically . ndbdderw end— the threat of china economically , military and also— the threat of china economically , military and also diplomats. wdnskbew— , military and also diplomats. wdnskbew we— , military and also diplomats. hinckley we need a strong and snssessdnb— hinckley we need a strong and successful usa— hinckley we need a strong and successful usa .— hinckley we need a strong and successful usa . we've got the successful usa. we've got the ennesdde— successful usa. we've got the ennesdde ngnd— successful usa. we've got the opposite right now under joe bdden— opposite right now under joe bdden. n— opposite right now under joe biden. if america rises, we all nse— biden. if america rises, we all n— biden. if america rises, we all rise. if america— biden. if america rises, we all rise. if america falls , we all rise. if america falls, we all gu— rise. if america falls, we all debb .— rise. if america falls, we all debb . rew— rise. if america falls, we all fall . four more— rise. if america falls, we all fall . four more years of biden fall. four more years of biden wenbd— fall. four more years of biden wenbd be— fall. four more years of biden would be suicide— fall. four more years of biden would be suicide for america . would be suicide for america. ske— would be suicide for america. sbe ne— would be suicide for america. sbe ree— would be suicide for america. slo mo. joe has— would be suicide for america. slo mo. joe has got to go . slo mo. joe has got to go. wneds— slo mo. joe has got to go. wneds wenr— slo mo. joe has got to go. what's your view? mark gbnews.uk

reesdng— what's your view? mark gbnews.uk reesdng de— what's your view? mark gbnews.uk reesddng de nw— what's your view? mark gbnews.uk reacting to my take— what's your view? mark gbnews.uk reacting to my take at 10:00, snerdden— reacting to my take at 10:00, guardian columnist and author redw— guardian columnist and author rebbw dewnbee— guardian columnist and author polly toynbee, writer and nebdddseb— polly toynbee, writer and political commentator, jo—anne wedber— political commentator, jo—anne wedber end— political commentator, jo—anne nadler and broadcaster and ddnensdeb— nadler and broadcaster and financial analyst albie amankona abbde— financial analyst albie amankona abbde .— financial analyst albie amankona abbde . rew— financial analyst albie amankona albie . four more— financial analyst albie amankona albie . four more years of biden. albie. four more years of biden. ves— albie. four more years of biden. ves er— albie. four more years of biden. ves er ne— albie. four more years of biden. ves er ne e — albie. four more years of biden. yes or no ? well,— albie. four more years of biden. yes or no ? well, i— albie. four more years of biden. yes or no ? �*vvr�*r2.. “

sennbe— appearing at the coronation in a sennbe ed— appearing at the coronation in a couple of weekends time. look r-n — couple of weekends time. look r-n ned— couple of weekends time. look r-n ned e— couple of weekends time. look r-n ned e den— couple of weekends time. look i'm not a fan of— couple of weekends time. look i'm not a fan of donald trump. i'm not a fan of donald trump. r den-d— i'm not a fan of donald trump. r den-d bdke— i'm not a fan of donald trump. i don't like donald— i'm not a fan of donald trump. i don't like donald trump.- i don't like donald trump. that's news to anyone. that's not news to anyone. i would republicans to would like the republicans to make decision with their make a good decision with their leader. albie, can't do leader. but albie, you can't do any points . any of those points. conservatives at making a desdsden— conservatives at making a decision can't— conservatives at making a decision can't deny those points dned— decision can't deny those points bed-en— decision can't deny those points that an anglophile. that trump is an anglophile. dnbdke—r- that trump is an anglophile. l unlike—i think unlike joe biden. well, i think beds— unlike joe biden. well, i think beds-wes— unlike joe biden. well, i think boris -was the- unlike joe biden. well, i think boris was the first boris johnson was the first beeder— boris johnson was the first leader-that- boris johnson was the first leader-that joe- boris johnson was the first leader that joe biden spoke leader that that joe biden spoke to leader that that joe biden spoke de ener— leader that that joe biden spoke de edder ne— leader that that joe biden spoke to after he was— leader that that joe biden spoke to after he was elected as the nresddend. — to after he was elected as the nresddend. sn— to after he was elected as the president. 2 2“ . president. so, look, i don't think joe joe biden hates the united kingdom. what i would like see are new, fresh, like to see are two new, fresh, young presidential candidates at the next general election in the united states of america. i don't particularly want to see joe all donald trump on joe biden all donald trump on the ballot paper. joe an nadler would donald trump be the lesser of two evils in the white house to joe biden? i without doubt. i mean without doubt donald trump would be preferable to joe biden because it's hard to think of who's could be of anybody who's who could be worse than joe biden for all the reasons specified reasons that you specified for the politically corrupt the hugely politically corrupt regime. in effect, i mean morally corrupt regime that he's

that he's overseen over the last nearly four years. i think that he's been a disaster. he started off badly and he got even worse. he started off by passing about 75 executive orders as having the democrats having spent most of their campaign complaining about how overbearing donald trump was. and then he comes in and does all these incredibly undemocratic things . but there undemocratic things. but there are two things here, aren't there? essentially, do we want biden himself or do we want to get rid of the democrat boss? and i think that if we were to get rid of biden, we're not quite sure who else would take over the democrat race. it could be worse. it could be somebody like gavin newsom from california has really seen california who has really seen that virtually that state kind of virtually fall into the sea in terms of the state of the economically and the chaos there socially and law and order having completely collapsed. but i would like to see somebody like ron desantis ,

see somebody like ron desantis, glenn youngkin, possibly take on whoever leads the democrats. listen polly toynbee fur is many character flaws. bill listen polly toynbee fur is many character flaws . bill clinton character flaws. bill clinton was a colossal— t t bill clinton was a colossal intellect. barack ebene— was a colossal intellect. barack ebene .— was a colossal intellect. barack ebene . gndde— was a colossal intellect. barack ebene . gndde e— was a colossal intellect. barack obama , quite a uniting figure obama, quite a uniting figure for obama, quite a uniting figure der 2— obama, quite a uniting figure be 2 de— obama, quite a uniting figure be 2 de 2— obama, quite a uniting figure for 2 to 2 terms— obama, quite a uniting figure for 2 to 2 terms as president, sne— for 2 to 2 terms as president, the democrats— for 2 to 2 terms as president, the democrats could do so much bedder— the democrats could do so much bedder dnen— the democrats could do so much better than biden.— the democrats could do so much better than biden. well you knew.— better than biden. well you knew. dnere— better than biden. well you know, there are— better than biden. well you know, there are always better neenbe— know, there are always better neenbe ebend— know, there are always better people about than are leaders of nendes. — people about than are leaders of nendes. ven— people about than are leaders of parties. you look— people about than are leaders of parties. you look at— people about than are leaders of parties. yr2r. parties. you look at the whole of the talent of america and look at their political class and you might say so and might say of this country, too. say that of this country, too. but i thought your analysis was outrageous, ageist, start outrageous, ageist, for a start . i mean, this man, this man has huge experience and he has done very, very well. what do you mean? the economy down the toilet, do you mean compared with our economy ? i mean, they with our economy? i mean, they are he has lifted their economy massively with an enormous investment package , which he got investment package, which he got through the house despite not having more borrowed billions , having more borrowed billions, which was brilliant. and it has

hugely boosted their economy and the idea that we sitting in britain at the bottom of the g seven for growth can say they our economy is in the toilet and that's just laughable. well, i mean, really, you have you have a little bit of sense of where we sit in the world, some humility in terms of america being a very great country, which i think it is. and i think it's being well led at the moment. hard times for all countries around the world. but, you know , i think his approach you know, i think his approach is to polly, polly . i you know, i think his approach is to polly, polly. i think he's i think he's been a strong and good president. could you seriously polly, old seriously jokes about polly, old i mean, he could be a hundred he could be a hundred for all i care as long as he knows what day of the week it is. the issue i've got is day of the week it is. the issue r-ve ged ds wddn— day of the week it is. the issue i've got is with his— 23 . the issue i've got is with his cognition end— i've got is with his cognition and we've seen— i've got is with his cognition and we've seen it in clip after sbdn— and we've seen it in clip after clipr nress— and we've seen it in clip after clip, press conference after nress— clip, press conference after press conference. the guy's a bdebdbddw— press conference. the guy's a bdebdbddw-wen— press conference. the guy's a liability. you seriously liability. can you seriously endse— liability. can you seriously. endorse—health endorse him? just on health grennds— endorse him? just on health grennds-e - endorse him? just on health grounds-? oh,- endorse him? just on health grounds-? oh, i- endorse him? just on health grounds ? cj 2“ grounds alone? oh, i see. because. because he's old. the fact that he makes slips like george w bush, for instance, who thought was in when

thought he was in austria when he australia. i mean , you he was in australia. i mean, you know, could go through some know, we could go through some common mistakes that presidents have made. and i think particularly george w bush's book of gaffes is quite considerable doesn't you know , considerable doesn't you know, his worst gaffe. of course , was his worst gaffe. of course, was iraq. alas, it was ours to . but iraq. alas, it was ours to. but iraq. alas, it was ours to. but i think the idea that you're pinning it all on on age, i think what matters is what you do. i was a huge admirer of barack obama and i was disappointed in what he failed to achieve. kyiv it seems to me that within the four years, biden has already achieved considerably more in pulling up the economy of that country and its global status after the disastrous years of donald trump. i mean, really catastrophic . and donald trump , catastrophic. and donald trump, you know, practically brought an end to american democracy by challenging elections , by challenging elections, by refusing, like some banana republic, refusing to accept defeat. the first rule of

democracy is that the losers have to lose gracefully. otherwise, we're into civil war. well, i do. i do. i company dengerens— well, i do. i do. i company dangerous man.— well, i do. i do. i company dangerous man. i- �*vvr�*r2.. r2r2r i do. i company dangerous man. i part company wddn— dangerous man. i part company wddn bbe— dangerous man. i part company with the donald— dangerous man. i part company with the donald on that one. but in with the donald on that one. but dn bbe— with the donald on that one. but dn dne end— with the donald on that one. but dn dne end r— with the donald on that one. but dn dne end r de— with the donald on that one. but in the end i do consider that drnnn— in the end i do consider that drnnn wenbd— in the end i do consider that trump would be— in the end i do consider that trump would be the lesser of two ends— trump would be the lesser of two evdbs der— trump would be the lesser of two evdbs be be — trump would be the lesser of two evils for the next— trump would be the lesser of two evils for the next four years. end— evils for the next four years. bnd rebbw— evils for the next four years. but polly doesn't agree. that's the but polly doesn't agree. that's dne negds— but polly doesn't agree. that's dne negds ed— but polly doesn't agree. that's the magic of this— but polly doesn't agree. that's the magic of this show. it's all ebend— the magic of this show. it's all about opinion.— the magic of this show. it's all about opinion. what's yours ? about opinion. what's yours? werk— about opinion. what's yours? mark gbnews.uk . next up, should mark gbnews.uk. next up, should the mark gbnews.uk. next up, should be dngbdsn— mark gbnews.uk. next up, should be dngbdsn be— mark gbnews.uk. next up, should the english be more patriotic? the engliin be more patriotic? do the english be more patriotic? be bebenr— the english be more patriotic? do labour still— the english be more patriotic? do labour still have a problem wddn— do labour still have a problem with antisemitism_ do labour still have a problem with antisemitism and also we'll debk— with antisemitism and also we'll debk ebend— with antisemitism and also we'll debk ebend e— with antisemitism and also we'll talk about a couple of other big sdenes— talk about a couple of other big sdenes dn— talk about a couple of other big stories in the— talk about a couple of other big stories in the papers that may snrnnse— stories in the papers that may snrnnse wen. — stories in the papers that may surprise you. that's an widdecombe- surprise you. that's an widdecombe next as my newsmaker

news radio. off you go, maria. dbsre— news radio. off you go, maria. dnere wen— news radio. off you go, maria. rnere wen ge. — news radio. off you go, maria. there you go. producer- news radio. off you go, maria. there you go. producer maria bringing me important notes. you see, because we've got a lot to get through in the next few minutes on an email. mark what did you do wrong to get two

lefties on tonight's panel? regards, richard. this show, of course, is the home of diverse opinion, which is why i'm very excited to introduce our newsmaker tonight. so let's get straight to it. by the way, we've got the papers at exactly albie 1030 with full pundit reaction. but right now it is the newsmaker in which we tackle the newsmaker in which we tackle the big stories of the day in the big stories of the day in the company of a fearless commentator, as always, on a sunday. tonight's newsmaker is former government minister, bestselling author and television personality ann widdecombe . and we'll come to widdecombe. and we'll come to you, labour party, anti—semitism and alerts going off on your phonein and alerts going off on your phone in a moment. but but phone in a moment. but first but as we reach the tail end of saint george's day, a surprisingly muted and quiet affair in stark contrast to saint patrick's day or saint andrew's day or saint david's day , should the english be more day, should the english be more patriotic ? erg more aware of patriotic? erg more aware of saint george's day? i mean, you're saint george's day? i mean, wene gndde— saint george's day? i mean, you're quite right— saint george's day? i mean, you're quite right to- ctr3r2 j3g?’ i mean, you're quite right to mention send— you're quite right to mention saint patrick's— you're quite right to mention saint patrick's day. i mean, dds— saint patrick's day. i mean, come on. it's the- saint patrick's day. i mean, come on. it's the middle of bend. — come on. it's the middle of bend. nne— come on. it's the middle of lent. the irish— come on. it's the middle of lent. the irish don't care about

bbes— lent. the irish don't care about dned. dnew— lent. the irish don't care about dned. dnew nnb— lent. the irish don't care about that. they put on— lent. the irish don't care about that. they put on their shamrock.— that. they put on their shamrock. they have a drink. they— shamrock. they have a drink. dnew de— shamrock. they have a drink. dnew de ned— shamrock. they have a drink. they do their jigs. they really enjoy— they do their jigs. they really entew send— they do their jigs. they really enjoy saint patrick's day at ssneeb— enjoy saint patrick's day at ssneeb .— enjoy saint patrick's day at ssneeb . rd— enjoy saint patrick's day at school . it was— enjoy saint patrick's day at school . it was the biggest event school. it was the biggest event of school. it was the biggest event ed dne — school. it was the biggest event ed dne ssneeb— school. it was the biggest event of the school year. _ school. it was the biggest event of the school year. i was in a sednebds— of the school year. i was in a catholic convent— of the school year. i was in a catholic convent and the nuns nsed— catholic convent and the nuns nsed de— catholic convent and the nuns nsed de nsed— catholic convent and the nuns used to used to— catholic convent and the nuns used to used to really celebrate it used to used to really celebrate dd end— used to used to really celebrate dd end ned— used to used to really celebrate it and not with— used to used to really celebrate it and not with drink, i hasten to it and not with drink, i hasten de edd— it and not with drink, i hasten de and, bnd— it and not with drink, i hasten to add, but they— it and not with drink, i hasten to add, but they used to really sebebrede— to add, but they used to really celebrate saint— to add, but they used to really celebrate saint patrick's day. it celebrate saint patrick's day. rd es— celebrate saint patrick's day. rd e— celebrate saint patrick's day. rd e bdg— celebrate saint patrick's day. it was a big thing. now everwbedw— it was a big thing. now everybody knows about saint reddsk-s— everybody knows about saint rednsk-s bew.— everybody knows about saint patrick's day. you don't have to be rrdsn— patrick's day. you don't have to be rrdsn de— patrick's day. you don't have to be irish to know— patrick's day. you don't have to be irish to know about saint rednsk-s— be irish to know about saint rednsk-s bew— be irish to know about saint patrick's day .— be irish to know about saint patrick's day . um, but who patrick's day. um, but who endsdde— patrick's day. um, but who endsdde e— patrick's day. um, but who outside a handful of very nedneds— outside a handful of very patriotic brits— outside a handful of very patriotic brits really . albie patriotic brits really. albie desnses— patriotic brits really. albie focuses on saint george's day end— focuses on saint george's day end sews— focuses on saint george's day end sews on— focuses on saint george's day end saysr on .— focuses on saint george's day and says, oh , saint george's day and says, oh, saint george's day is and says, oh, saint george's day ds sendng. — and says, oh, saint george's day ds sendng. we— and says, oh, saint george's day is coming. we must— and says, oh, saint george's day is coming. we must do something to is coming. we must do something de sebebrede— is coming. we must do something to celebrate. they— is coming. we must do something to celebrate. they don't. how nes— to celebrate. they don't. how nes send— to celebrate. they don't. how has saint george's day and dndeed— has saint george's day and dndeed en— has saint george's day and indeed an the— has saint george's day and indeed an the flag of saint seerge— indeed an the flag of saint seerge bedng— indeed an the flag of saint george being stigmatised or even denendsed— george being stigmatised or even denendsed bw— george being stigmatised or even demonised by those with a nebddseb— demonised by those with a political axe— demonised by those with a political axe to— demonised by those with a political axe to grind ? oh, political axe to grind? oh, webb— political axe to grind? oh, webb wes— political axe to grind? oh, webb. vesr we — political axe to grind? oh, well, yes, we all remember the teens— well, yes, we all remember the teens dweed— well, yes, we all remember the famous tweet or— well, yes, we all remember the famous tweet or whatever it was. if famous tweet or whatever it was. n dnere — famous tweet or whatever it was. n dnere wee— famous tweet or whatever it was. if there were tweets— famous tweet or whatever it was. if there were tweets in those dews — if there were tweets in those daysr sned— if there were tweets in those

days, um, that a— if there were tweets in those days, um, that a labour frontbencher_ days, um, that a labour frontbencher put round of a ndsdnre— frontbencher put round of a ndsdnre ed— frontbencher put round of a ndsdnre ed e— frontbencher put round of a picture of a white van and in be— picture of a white van and in be wdndew— picture of a white van and in the window behind was a saint seerge-s— the window behind was a saint seerge-s rbeg— the window behind was a saint george's flag and _ the window behind was a saint george's flag and a very, very rnde— george's flag and a very, very rude comment— george's flag and a very, very rude comment suggesting, you knew.— rude comment suggesting, you knew. sned— rude comment suggesting, you know, that this— rude comment suggesting, you know, that this was sort of some far know, that this was sort of some der ngnd— know, that this was sort of some far right because— know, that this was sort of some far right because there was a send— far right because there was a saint george's— far right because there was a saint george's day flag in the wdndew. — saint george's day flag in the wdndew. se— saint george's day flag in the window. so there's certainly been— window. so there's certainly been en— window. so there's certainly been an attempt to stigmatise it. been an attempt to stigmatise d. r— been an attempt to stigmatise d. r es— been an attempt to stigmatise d. r es wen— been an attempt to stigmatise it. i as you know,— been an attempt to stigmatise it. i as you know, you know, nen— it. i as you know, you know, nen nw— it. i as you know, you know, from my previous- it. i as you know, you know, from my previous statements, i'm verw— from my previous statements, i'm verw snsened— from my previous statements, i'm very concerned about the state of very concerned about the state ed sne— very concerned about the state ed dne unen— very concerned about the state of the union at— very concerned about the state of the union at the moment. dneredere— of the union at the moment. dneredere r— of the union at the moment. therefore i do— of the union at the moment. therefore i do focus heavily on the therefore i do focus heavily on be nnden— therefore i do focus heavily on the union jack— therefore i do focus heavily on the union jack on— therefore i do focus heavily on the union jack on the uk, rather dnen— the union jack on the uk, rather than-individual- the union jack on the uk, rather than individual parts. than on its individual parts. end— than on its individual parts. but nevertheless, i think we snenbd— but nevertheless, i think we snenbd be— but nevertheless, i think we snenbd be e— but nevertheless, i think we should be a bit— but nevertheless, i think we should be a bit more enthused desds. — should be a bit more enthused desds. r— should be a bit more enthused tastic. i completely- should be a bit more enthused tastic. t 3r3tr2r2 should be a bit more enthused tastic. rt.r2r2“ 3r3 \rr2rrr tastic. i completely agree. now you're not one for cancel culture either , anne, but do you culture either, anne, but do you think diane abbott should be expelled from labour party expelled from the labour party for comments ? acas for her comments? acas underplaying anti—semitism and racism to other minority groups ? well, look, expelling her, snsnenddng— ? well, look, expelling her, suspending her,— 7’ well, look, expelling her, suspending her, taking the whip ewew— suspending her, taking the whip awavr wndsn— suspending her, taking the whip away, which they've done. of course, those _

away, which they've done. of course, those things are simply vdnne— course, those things are simply virtue signalling.— course, those things are simply virtue signalling. they don't esdnebbw— virtue signalling. they don't actually tackle— virtue signalling. they don't actually tackle the real problem dned— actually tackle the real problem dned dnere— actually tackle the real problem dned dnere ds— actually tackle the real problem that there is in— actually tackle the real problem that there is in the— actually tackle the real problem that there is in the labour party— that there is in the labour denw end— that there is in the labour party and it's— that there is in the labour party and it's grown over the wees— party and it's grown over the we and— party and it's grown over the wee. and dd— party and it's grown over the years. and it began with a very pro—palestinian— years. and it began with a very pro—palestinian outlook which resnbded— pro—palestinian outlook which resnbded dn— pro—palestinian outlook which resulted in huge— pro—palestinian outlook which resulted in huge criticism of ne— resulted in huge criticism of be rsreebd — resulted in huge criticism of the israeli government. now any gevernnend— the israeli government. now any gevernnend sen— the israeli government. now any government can be— the israeli government. now any government can be criticised. if i government can be criticised. if r sew— government can be criticised. if r sew dned— government can be criticised. if r sew dned r— government can be criticised. if i say that i think— government can be criticised. if i say that i think macron is a feeb— i say that i think macron is a deed. wndsn— i say that i think macron is a fool, which i— i say that i think macron is a fool, which i do— i say that i think macron is a fool, which i do by the way, deesn-d— fool, which i do by the way, doesn't mean— fool, which i do by the way, doesn't mean that i think all be— doesn't mean that i think all be nensn— doesn't mean that i think all the french are— doesn't mean that i think all the french are fools. you know, r-n — the french are fools. you know, r-n ned— the french are fools. you know, i'm not attacking— the french are fools. you know, i'm not attacking the french. r-n — i'm not attacking the french. r-n eddeskdng— i'm not attacking the french. i'm attacking macron. i'm eddeskdng— attacking the french government. so attacking the french government. se—essendebbe- attacking the french government. so _ acceptable to - so it's always acceptable to snddsdse— so it's always acceptable to sndsdse e— so it's always acceptable to criticise a foreign government. nnd— criticise a foreign government. bnd wned— criticise a foreign government. bnd wned ds— criticise a foreign government. but what is not— criticise a foreign government. but what is not acceptable is to serend— but what is not acceptable is to exdend sned— but what is not acceptable is to extend that to— but what is not acceptable is to extend that to encompass the neenbe.— extend that to encompass the neenbe. and— extend that to encompass the neenbe. and r— extend that to encompass the people. and i think one of the nesd— people. and i think one of the nesd debbdng— people. and i think one of the most telling things is when neenbe— most telling things is when neenbe sten— most telling things is when people start talking about jews as people start talking about jews es redner— people start talking about jews as rather than— people start talking about jews as rather than israelis, then , as rather than israelis, then, you— as rather than israelis, then, wen knew.— as rather than israelis, then, you know, you're— as rather than israelis, then, you know, you're into a ddnerend— you know, you're into a different territory , you're into different territory, you're into red— different territory, you're into reeb prejudice-— different territory, you're into real prejudice. and i think nretnddse— real prejudice. and i think nretnddse ds— real prejudice. and i think prejudice is serious. i don't dndnk— prejudice is serious. i don't think diane— prejudice is serious. i don't think diane abbott should be expelled— think diane abbott should be expelled because she's enebegdsed— expelled because she's apologised. you know, she said it apologised. you know, she said dd es— apologised. you know, she said dd e— apologised. you know, she said dd e ddrsd— apologised. you know, she said it was a first draft. well, yes, it was a first draft. well, yes, dd new— it was a first draft. well, yes, dd new neve— it was a first draft. well, yes, it may have been,— it was a first draft. well, yes, it may have been, but that means dnese— it may have been, but that means dnese dnengnds— it may have been, but that means those thoughts were in her head

. and.— those thoughts were in her head . and. wen— those thoughts were in her head . and. wen knew.— those thoughts were in her head . and, you know, if— those thoughts were in her head . and, you know, if it was a disd— . and, you know, if it was a ddrsd den.— . and, you know, if it was a first draft, the— . and, you know, if it was a first draft, the thoughts were in first draft, the thoughts were dn ner— first draft, the thoughts were dn ner need.— first draft, the thoughts were in her head. otherwise she wenbdn-d— in her head. otherwise she wouldn't drafted them. but wouldn't have drafted them. but sne-s— wouldn't have drafted them. but she's apologised. _ wouldn't have drafted them. but she's apologised. she's a significant— she's apologised. she's a significant figure in the labour party.— significant figure in the labour party, whatever— significant figure in the labour party, whatever i— significant figure in the labour party, whatever i may think of be. — party, whatever i may think of be. ven— party, whatever i may think of her. you know,— party, whatever i may think of her. you know, she's an her. you know, she's done an ewdnb— her. you know, she's done an ewdnb bed— her. you know, she's done an awful lot-labour- her. you know, she's done an awful lot-labour .- her. you know, she's done an awful lot labour . i don't awful lot for labour. i don't dndnk—ekneb- awful lot for labour. i don'ti think—expel her. awful lot for labour. i don't. think—expel her. i think they should expel her. i dndnk— think they should expel her. i think-reveals- think they should expel her. i think reveals labour think this just reveals labour for think this just reveals labour fer-ds— think this just reveals labour der-ds end— think this just reveals labour for-is and i'm- think this just reveals labour for is and i'm not sure for what it is and i'm not sure wned— for what it is and i'm not sure we wen— for what it is and i'm not sure we wen wee— for what it is and i'm not sure what you were up— for what it is and i'm not sure what you were up to at 3:00 this edderneen. — what you were up to at 3:00 this afternoon. i'm— what you were up to at 3:00 this afternoon. i'm hoping- what you were up to at 3:00 this afternoon. “3 “3 . afternoon. i'm hoping. hoping it was high tea at the ritz, but this is what happened to my excellent take excellent producer, cal. take a listen . cal, your reaction to listen. cal, your reaction to what just happened. horrific look, i feel violated . poor cal look, i feel violated. poor cal vdebeded— look, i feel violated. poor cal violated. not for the first time. after all, he works on mark dolan tonight. right. and did your phone go off? and do you think this is an example of government overreach ? well, the government overreach? well, the answer to government overreach? well, the de ned— government overreach? well, the answer to that is— government overreach? well, the answer to that is yes,— government overreach? well, the answer to that is yes, it- 3 t c well, the answer to that is yes, it did go en. — answer to that is yes, it did go en. and— answer to that is yes, it did go en. and ne— answer to that is yes, it did go en. and r— answer to that is yes, it did go off. and no, i don't— answer to that is yes, it did go off. and no, i don't think it's overreach. oh,— off. and no, i don't think it's

overreach. oh, poor diddums you knew.— overreach. oh, poor diddums you knew. dd— overreach. oh, poor diddums you knew. dd es— overreach. oh, poor diddums you know, it was horrific. was it you— know, it was horrific. was it wen-nen— know, it was horrific. was it wen-neer senb- know, it was horrific. was it you poor soul. oh, dear. you know, poor soul. oh, dear. senebedw.— you know, poor soul. oh, dear. senebedw. wen— you know, poor soul. oh, dear. somebody, you look after somebody, you know, look after nn— somebody, you know, look after ndn.|neen.— somebody, you know, look after him. mean, honestly, it was him. i mean, honestly, it was a non—event . the— him. i mean, honestly, it was a non—event . the thing went. non—event. the thing went. bbeen— non—event. the thing went. bbeen. bbeen— non—event. the thing went. bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop , bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bbeen. — bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bbeen. -wes- bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop. -was it.- bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop. -was it. was bloop. and that was it. that was it. and all this fuss, all- bloop. “2 . . and all this fuss, all this it. and all this fuss, all this sveege dn— it. and all this fuss, all this coverage in the— . and all this fuss, all this coverage in the press, all this debk— coverage in the press, all this debk ed— coverage in the press, all this talk of civil— coverage in the press, all this talk of civil liberties, and it wenr— talk of civil liberties, and it wend bun.— talk of civil liberties, and it went blip, blip,— talk of civil liberties, and it went blip, blip, blip, blip. and— went blip, blip, blip, blip. and sned— went blip, blip, blip, blip. and that was— went blip, blip, blip, blip. and that was it.— went blip, blip, blip, blip. and that was it. and- went blip, blip, blip, blip. and that was it. and we're supposed to be traumatised by that. spare me. spare me. that. oh, spare me. spare me. nnd— that. oh, spare me. spare me. bnd den-d— that. oh, spare me. spare me. but don't think. and that but don't you think. and that this kind of technology could be leveraged to control our lives , leveraged to control our lives, all technology can be leveraged to control our lives . i all technology can be leveraged to control our lives. i mean artificial intelligence- . . i mean artificial intelligence at the snsnend— artificial intelligence at the nenend ds— artificial intelligence at the nenend ds e— artificial intelligence at the moment is a genuine worry. i wenbdn-d— moment is a genuine worry. i wenbdn-d nenw— moment is a genuine worry. i wouldn't worry about a few bbeens— wouldn't worry about a few bbeens en— wouldn't worry about a few bbeens en en— wouldn't worry about a few bleeps on an emergency warning. i bleeps on an emergency warning. r neen— bleeps on an emergency warning. r wned— bleeps on an emergency warning. r wned ds— bleeps on an emergency warning. i mean, what is the— bleeps on an emergency warning. i mean, what is the difference bedween— i mean, what is the difference between that _ i mean, what is the difference between that and— i mean, what is the difference between that and a siren going off between that and a siren going en dned— between that and a siren going en dned new— between that and a siren going off that may not— between that and a siren going off that may not be heard everwwneree— off that may not be heard everywhere? _ off that may not be heard everywhere? �*vvr�* 2r2 off that may not be heard everywhere? off that may not be heard- everywhere? where do you think members of the public, my viewers listeners are viewers and listeners an are a little triggered this because little triggered by this because of during the of the overreach during the pandemic? once bitten, shy pandemic? once bitten, twice shy ? no, pandemic? once bitten, twice shy ? n0,i pandemic? once bitten, twice shy ? no, i think the reason that dnew-re— ? no, i think the reason that they're triggered— 7’ no, i think the reason that they're triggered by it is besense— they're triggered by it is because they've been psyched up by a— because they've been psyched up by e bed— because they've been psyched up by e bed ed—

because they've been psyched up by a lot of completely over—the—top commentary in press and over—the—top commentary in press end nedde. — over—the—top commentary in press end nedde. and— over—the—top commentary in press and media. and now— over—the—top commentary in press and media. and now , to me, this and media. and now, to me, this was a non—event as— and media. and now, to me, this was a non—event as i say, you knew.— was a non—event as i say, you knew. r— was a non—event as i say, you knew. r ned— was a non—event as i say, you knew. r ned e— was a non—event as i say, you know, i had a few— was a non—event as i say, you know, i had a few bleeps and sned— know, i had a few bleeps and deed es— know, i had a few bleeps and deed dd.— know, i had a few bleeps and that was it. i— know, i had a few bleeps and that was it. i didn't even have to that was it. i didn't even have de swdne— that was it. i didn't even have de swdne dd— that was it. i didn't even have to swipe it off.— that was it. i didn't even have to swipe it off. i— that was it. i didn't even have to swipe it off. i didn't even neve— to swipe it off. i didn't even neve de— to swipe it off. i didn't even neve de de— to swipe it off. i didn't even have to do that.— to swipe it off. i didn't even have to do that. just went away. ven—snenbd- have to do that. just went away. ven—snenbd r- have to do that. just went away. you—should i get- you know, why should i get nnddgnd— you know, why should i get nnddgnd ebend— you know, why should i get uptight about that? poor cal nrednser— uptight about that? poor cal nrednser seb— uptight about that? poor cal producer cal-to- uptight about that? poor cal producer cal to lick his producer cal has got to lick his wends— producer cal has got to lick his wennds- — producer cal has got to lick his wennds- des— wounds now. he's had a handbagging from the legendary ann widdecombe, and it's a thrill have on the show thrill to have you on the show on a sunday, as always. can't wait to see you in a week's time. it's the countdown to the coronation. wait to hear coronation. i can't wait to hear what your thoughts will be about the the biggest con the coronation. the biggest con stitutional moment in this country decades, country for seven decades, certainly and certainly in royal terms. and we'll you in a week. thank we'll catch you in a week. thank you so forjoining us. and you so much forjoining us. and widdecombe there, former government , best widdecombe there, former governrauthor , best widdecombe there, former governrauthor and , best widdecombe there, former governrauthor and tv best selling author and tv personality and someone that's just duffed my producer and just duffed up. my producer and rightly next up , we've got rightly so. next up, we've got the papers with full punditry action. don't go anywhere .

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watching, britons watching, . ekew. — watching, britons watching, we're . okay. �*vvr�*r2.. . we're. okay. well, it's that time of the evening. it's time for tomorrow's papers . for tomorrow's papers. yes, indeed. and we'll start with the daily telegraph . and with the daily telegraph. and here's what they are leading with. let's take a look at their front page. uk citizens abandoned amid feeble response to sudan crisis sunak gives way to sudan crisis sunak gives way to rebels over migrant spill phone alert test ends in farce and abbott stripped of whip in labour racism row the independent next diane abbott stripped of labour whip in fresh anti semitism story for the party and also an exclusive in—depth investigation. mps cut funding of apprenticeships for city high flyers . the mirror

city high flyers. the mirror next ex—tory tory voter steps up fight. rod givens faces a pay rise now that sir rod stewart , rise now that sir rod stewart, who has renewed his call for nurses to get a fair pay rise in a fresh attack on the tories, the former conservative kyiv was joined by ex commons speaker john bercow, who told pm rishi sunak to cough up and reward dedicated key staff. sir. sir sir rod said of nurses about to strike erg i'm well on their side . they come before anything side. they come before anything wrong? okay. daily mail now and this is a daily mail campaign. time to scrap the tourist tax and get britain booming again. a coalition of business leaders today calls for the return of tax free shopping for overseas tourists. in a letter to the chancellor, scores of retail hospital motty and tourism bosses warned that removing the vat refund for visitors has been an extraordinary own goal. also,

bad news, ladies. the £10 billion bachelor who's now off the markets. the duke of westminster, who was a sprightly 32, announced his engagement to girlfriend olivia henson yesterday. i can't imagine what she sees in him . and last but she sees in him. and last but not least, the daily star for hot spells . coronation heat, 26 hot spells. coronation heat, 26 degree record temperatures swelter , to be real, belter says swelter, to be real, belter says will do nicely, say the star. get your knotted hanky out, chaz . the king's coronation will spark a burst of hot spells. brits will enjoy four heat waves and 26 degree roasts. in may . and 26 degree roasts. in may. phew, what a corker is. what they say in the daily star . they say in the daily star. well, reacting to the papers, i'm delighted to have my top punst i'm delighted to have my top pundits tonight . we have polly pundits tonight. we have polly toynbee, who is a guardian columnist and best selling author. writer and political commentator. author. writer and political commentator . jo—anne nadler and commentator. jo—anne nadler and broadcast gb news star and financial analyst. albie

amankona. lots of stories to get through. we will talk about the weather in a minute because we're british and we could do with something to smile about. but this story is everywhere . but this story is everywhere. albie stripped of whip in albie abbott stripped of whip in labour racism row. your response to what she had to say effectively diminishing or undermining the notion that jewish people will possibly travel as the gypsy community? irish people are not subject to the same kind of racism. it seems to have backfired badly. i think it's more than backfired bedbw— i think it's more than backfired bedbw. rd— i think it's more than backfired bedbw. rd nes— i think it's more than backfired badly. it has completely tarnished— badly. it has completely tarnished diane abbott. totally i tarnished diane abbott. totally r neen— tarnished diane abbott. totally r sne— tarnished diane abbott. totally i mean, she she— tarnished diane abbott. totally i mean, she she has sort of bndbd— i mean, she she has sort of bndbd nn— i mean, she she has sort of bndbd nn ner— i mean, she she has sort of built up her career in parliament- built up her career in parliament being an anti racist esdvdsd.— parliament being an anti racist esddvdsd. r— parliament being an anti racist activist. i think— parliament being an anti racist activist. i think she was the nnd— activist. i think she was the first female— activist. i think she was the first female black mp when she ebesded— first female black mp when she was elected back— first female black mp when she was elected back in the in the 80 was elected back in the in the so eds — was elected back in the in the 80 seconds. you— was elected back in the in the 80 seconds. you know, she's sne-s— 80 seconds. you know, she's sne-s dene— 80 seconds. you know, she's sne-s dene e— 80 seconds. you know, she's she's done a lot— 80 seconds. you know, she's she's done a lot of good and trailblazer. _ she's done a lot of good and trailblazer. yes.— she's done a lot of good and trailblazer. yes. i— she's done a lot of good and trailblazer. yes. i mean, i sennbedebw— trailblazer. yes. i mean, i completely disagree with most of the completely disagree with most of be dndngs— completely disagree with most of be dndngs sne— completely disagree with most of the things she says as including bns— the things she says as including dnds. nnd— the things she says as including this. but ultimately, the idea dned— this. but ultimately, the idea dned dned— this. but ultimately, the idea that that jewish _ this. but ultimately, the idea that that jewish people don't snner— that that jewish people don't snner nen — that that jewish people don't suffer from racism and discrimination is a nonsense.

dne— discrimination is a nonsense. dne ddee— discrimination is a nonsense. the idea that— discrimination is a nonsense. the idea that travellers and rrdsn— the idea that travellers and rnsn neenbe— the idea that travellers and irish people don't suffer from den-d— irish people don't suffer from den-d snne— irish people don't suffer from don't suffer from _ irish people don't suffer from don't suffer from discrimination as don't suffer from discrimination es webb— don't suffer from discrimination es webb ds— don't suffer from discrimination es webb ds e— don't suffer from discrimination as well is a nonsense. i mean , as well is a nonsense. i mean, sne— as well is a nonsense. i mean, dne sdgns— as well is a nonsense. i mean, we sdgns besk— as well is a nonsense. i mean, the signs back in— as well is a nonsense. i mean, the signs back in the 60 seconds dned— the signs back in the 60 seconds dned nw— the signs back in the 60 seconds that my grandfather was seeing nnen— that my grandfather was seeing wnen ne— that my grandfather was seeing when he moved— that my grandfather was seeing when he moved here, it was sewdng— when he moved here, it was sewdng ne— when he moved here, it was saying no blacks, no dogs, no rrdsn. — saying no blacks, no dogs, no rrdsn. r— saying no blacks, no dogs, no irish. i mean,— saying no blacks, no dogs, no irish. i mean, if— saying no blacks, no dogs, no irish. i mean, if that's not racism, what— irish. i mean, if that's not racism, what is?- irish. i mean, if that's not racism, what is? so i'm very ddsennednded— racism, what is? so i'm very disappointed .the- racism, what is? so i'm very disappointed the comments disappointed in the comments dned— disappointed in the comments bed-nede. - disappointed in the comments that-made. but- disappointed in the comments that made. but but she that diane has made. but but she has that diane has made. but but she nes enebegdsed— that diane has made. but but she has apologised she's has apologised for it. she's ednddded— has apologised for it. she's admitted-she- has apologised for it. she's admitted she said she was admitted fault. she said she was veng— admitted fault. she said she was wrong. disassociated admitted fault. she said she was wrontthe disassociated admitted fault. she said she was wrontthe commentsiated admitted fault. she said she was wrontthe comments .ited admitted fault. she said she was wrontthe comments . and i think from the comments. and i think it's from the comments. and i think dds dnnenend— from the comments. and i think it's important that— from the comments. and i think it's important that we understand- it's important that we understand when people apologise is understand when people apologise ds wnere— understand when people apologise ds wnere dnere— understand when people apologise is where there is— understand when people apologise is where there is contrition. dnere — is where there is contrition. there should— is where there is contrition. there should be- is where there is contrition. there should be redemption. ' “2 there should be redemption. and wdddesenbs— there should be redemption. and widdecombe hardly— there should be redemption. and widdecombe hardly an— there should be redemption. and widdecombe hardly an ideological soul mate of yours , polly, has soul mate of yours, polly, has said that if she were to be expelled from the labour party, that would be window dressing or virtue signalling, as she called it, meaningless. your it, and meaningless. what's your view? think it's very view? i think it's very difficult indeed, because diane abbott really was a trail blazer. she and she has suffered den r— blazer. she and she has suffered more for, i think,— she and she has suffered more for, i think, more hatred end— more for, i think, more hatred end ebnse— more for, i think, more hatred and abuse than— more for, i think, more hatred and abuse than probably anybody in and abuse than probably anybody dn bbe— and abuse than probably anybody in the commons— and abuse than probably anybody in the commons ever in her life. i in the commons ever in her life. r neen— in the commons ever in her life. r .— in the commons ever in her life. r .tnsd— in the commons ever in her life. i mean , just unbelievable sexism i mean, just unbelievable sexism and i mean, just unbelievable sexism end resdsn— i mean, just unbelievable sexism end .— i mean, just unbelievable sexism and racism , sexism— i mean, just unbelievable sexism and racism , sexism and racism

and racism, sexism and racism senbdned— and racism, sexism and racism senbdned .— and racism, sexism and racism senbdned . and— and racism, sexism and racism combined . and also the fact that combined. and also the fact that sne-s— combined. and also the fact that sne-s en— combined. and also the fact that sne-s en bbe— combined. and also the fact that she's on the left— combined. and also the fact that she's on the left and on the wbebe— she's on the left and on the wnebe. sne— she's on the left and on the whole, the right— she's on the left and on the whole, the right can be very vddnebds— whole, the right can be very vitriolic to _ whole, the right can be very vitriolic to people on the left. end— vitriolic to people on the left. bnd r— vitriolic to people on the left. bnd r nnd— vitriolic to people on the left. bnd r ddnd dd— vitriolic to people on the left. but i find it utterly extraordinary. she could have wndsn— extraordinary. she could have wrddden dnds— extraordinary. she could have written this letter for i mean, dedebbw— written this letter for i mean, totally astounding because the webs— totally astounding because the wnebe nednd— totally astounding because the whole point of— totally astounding because the whole point of the letter was to say— whole point of the letter was to sew dews. — whole point of the letter was to sew rews. dews— whole point of the letter was to say jews, jews and— whole point of the letter was to say jews, jews and the irish and devebbers— say jews, jews and the irish and travellers don't— say jews, jews and the irish and travellers don't suffer racism . travellers don't suffer racism. dnere— travellers don't suffer racism. dnere es— travellers don't suffer racism. dnere ne— travellers don't suffer racism. there was no other point to it. were— there was no other point to it. dnere sen-d— there was no other point to it. there can't have— there was no other point to it. there can't have been another dren— there can't have been another draft because _ there can't have been another draft because that was what the redder— draft because that was what the bedder es— draft because that was what the letter was about.— draft because that was what the letter was about. she chose to wnds— letter was about. she chose to we wneds— letter was about. she chose to write what's not— letter was about. she chose to write what's not like being interviewed— interviewed on television and sewdng—ndsdekei interviewed on television andi saying—mistake . interviewed on television and- saying_mistake . she saying something by mistake. she were— saying something by mistake. she were-bedde— saying something by mistake. she wrote-letter and— saying something by mistake. she wrote letter and since keir wrote this letter and since keir sderner— wrote this letter and since keir sderner es— wrote this letter and since keir starmer was first— wrote this letter and since keir starmer was first in tent on dekdng— starmer was first in tent on dekdng eve— starmer was first in tent on taking over the— starmer was first in tent on taking over the leadership was to taking over the leadership was de dw— taking over the leadership was de drw de— taking over the leadership was de drw de expunge_ taking over the leadership was to try to expunge all remnants of anti—semitism— to try to expunge all remnants of anti—semitism from labour ener— of anti—semitism from labour edder e— of anti—semitism from labour after a disastrous— of anti—semitism from labour after a disastrous era. i think dds— after a disastrous era. i think dds .— after a disastrous era. i think dds . wen— after a disastrous era. i think dds . wen knew.— after a disastrous era. i think it's , you know, it's quite right it's, you know, it's quite right to it's, you know, it's quite right de neve— it's, you know, it's quite right to have suspended her. what else can to have suspended her. what else wen— to have suspended her. what else wen de— to have suspended her. what else wen de e — to have suspended her. what else wen de e r— to have suspended her. what else can you do ? i mean,- to have suspended her. what else can you do ? can you do? i mean, do you think there will be implications for labour at the next election or do you think that starmer has done enough to be seen to rid labour of the ghost of anti—semitism , or does this anti—semitism, or does this bnng anti—semitism, or does this bring it all back? no i think it

reminds us that certain parts of a older generation of a certain older generation of extreme leftists in the labour party just can't let go of the idea that what their feelings are about palestine and about israel. some how becomes a dned— israel. some how becomes a racism that covers— some how becomes a racism that covers over anybody bedd — racism that covers over anybody bedd wne — racism that covers over anybody bedd wne ds— racism that covers over anybody dodi who is jewish.— racism that covers over anybody dodi who is jewish. and it's new— dodi who is jewish. and it's new tnsd— dodi who is jewish. and it's they just can't— dodi who is jewish. and it's they just can't see where the ddvdddng— they just can't see where the dividing lines— they just can't see where the dividing lines should be. so do you— dividing lines should be. so do wen dndnk— dividing lines should be. so do wen dndnk bbe— dividing lines should be. so do you think the hard left, do you dndnk— you think the hard left, do you dndnk bbe— you think the hard left, do you think the hard— you think the hard left, do you think the hard left are institutionally as it were, ideologically— institutionally as it were, ideologically anti—semitic or. i dndnk— ideologically anti—semitic or. i dndnk dn— ideologically anti—semitic or. i think in some— ideologically anti—semitic or. i think in some ways they are , but think in some ways they are, but new— think in some ways they are, but new new— think in some ways they are, but new new den-d— think in some ways they are, but they they don't feel they are new— they they don't feel they are new den-d— they they don't feel they are they don't know— they they don't feel they are they don't know they are. that's wneds— they don't know they are. that's wneds se— they don't know they are. that's what's so bizarre— they don't know they are. that's what's so bizarre about it. they dndnk— what's so bizarre about it. they dndnk sned— what's so bizarre about it. they think that starmer_ what's so bizarre about it. they think that starmer has just used anti—semitism _ think that starmer has just used anti—semitism as— think that starmer has just used anti—semitism as a weapon to get rid anti—semitism as a weapon to get nd ed— anti—semitism as a weapon to get nd ed sne— anti—semitism as a weapon to get nd ed dne bend.— anti—semitism as a weapon to get rid of the left. that— anti—semitism as a weapon to get rid of the left. that is so not nne.— rid of the left. that is so not drne. rd— rid of the left. that is so not drne. rd es— rid of the left. that is so not true. it was so— rid of the left. that is so not true. it was so essential that be— true. it was so essential that the anti—semitism was dealt with and the anti—semitism was dealt with end esdnebbw— the anti—semitism was dealt with and actually the _ the anti—semitism was dealt with and actually the jewish sennnnddw— and actually the jewish community as represented by most of community as represented by most ed dds— community as represented by most of its officials,— community as represented by most of its officials, have— community as represented by most of its officials, have accepted sned— of its officials, have accepted dned bebenr— of its officials, have accepted that labour is— of its officials, have accepted that labour is he's done his job webb— that labour is he's done his job webb end— that labour is he's done his job well and that— that labour is he's done his job well and that labour is now not an anti—semitic— well and that labour is now not an anti—semitic organisation . an anti—semitic organisation. and— an anti—semitic organisation. and r— an anti—semitic organisation. and r den-d— an anti—semitic organisation. and i don't know— an anti—semitic organisation. and i don't know what you do ebend— and i don't know what you do ebend bdene— and i don't know what you do about diana because i think

sne-s— about diana because i think she's ineducable well, i think it's she's ineducable well, i think dds bewend— she's ineducable well, i think it's beyond the— she's ineducable well, i think it's beyond the point at which you— it's beyond the point at which wen senbd— it's beyond the point at which wen senbd sew— it's beyond the point at which you could say if— it's beyond the point at which you could say if she went away end— you could say if she went away end-e— you could say if she went away and-a course, it- and went on a course, it explained_ and went on a course, it explained-her- and went on a course, it explained her about how to explained to her about how to dndnk— explained to her about how to dndnk-dne— explained to her about how to think the difference think about the difference bedween— think about the difference- between—question between the palestinian question and between the palestinian question end revs— between the palestinian question end rews dn— between the palestinian question and jews in general. i don't dndnk— and jews in general. i don't dndnk dd— and jews in general. i don't think it would— and jews in general. i don't think it would take this is a party— think it would take this is a nenw dned— think it would take this is a party that wants to be in government,— party that wants to be in government, that could be in gevernnend— government, that could be in government next— government, that could be in government next year. 2“ government next year. joanne, wned— government next year. joanne, wned ds— government next year. joanne, wned ds kedr— government next year. joanne, what is keir starmer's next move ? well, what is keir starmer's next move ? well , i what is keir starmer's next move ? well, i think that if i were a nernbe— ? well, i think that if i were a nernbe ed— ? well, i think that if i were a member of the— 7’ well, i think that if i were a member of the labour party, i wenbdn-d— member of the labour party, i wouldn't want— member of the labour party, i wouldn't want diane abbott to be renresendng— wouldn't want diane abbott to be renresenddng nw— wouldn't want diane abbott to be representing my party. r2r2r representing my party. but i do dndnk— representing my party. but i do dndnk sned— representing my party. but i do think that that's an internal matter for the labour party . matter for the labour party. arnie i'm not particularly swayed by her apology simply because in a sense i think it's i think it's an irrelevance . i think it's an irrelevance. acas i think this is more fundamental . i think diane fundamental. i think diane abbott is wedded to a particular ideological interpretation of racism and that ideological interpretation sees everything through a prism of black and

white. and therefore i find it inherently anti—semitic . i mean, inherently anti—semitic. i mean, the very fact that she could or other people who espouse this worldview and i think it's not just sort of , worldview and i think it's not just sort of, as polly puts it, sort of older , traditional sort of older, traditional members of the hard left who are preoccupied with the with with the politics of israel. i think this is a new imported sort of identity , city driven vision of identity, city driven vision of racism. the woke left, the progressive left, critical race theory, critical race, and also so—called anti—racism, because i mean , if you hear the expression mean, if you hear the expression anti—racism, that sounds like a project. iwant anti—racism, that sounds like a project. i want to be part of. end— project. i want to be part of. but anti—racism _ project. i want to be part of. but anti—racism is- project. i want to be part of. but anti—racism is a- t i want to be part of. but anti—racism is a very senedn— but anti—racism is a very certain kind— but anti—racism is a very certain kind of- but anti—racism is a very certain kind of ideology in ddsen— certain kind of ideology in itself, isn't— certain kind of ideology in itself, isn't it? - certain kind of ideology in itself, isn't it.7 33.333 certain kind of ideology in itself, isn't it? �*vvr�*r2.. . itself, isn't it? well, it's based on this idea that that we live in a sort of hierarchy of oppression. and if you're within that hierarchy of oppression and you happen to be white, then you're to the top of you're very close to the top of the oppressors, which makes it quite to explain quite difficult to explain anti—semitism, obviously anti—semitism, because obviously many people considerjewish

many people consider jewish people to be predominantly what critical race theorists would call white. but that just shows how reductive this whole ideology is and how dangerous it is and how insidious it is. i think most people are anti resdsd— think most people are anti resdsd end— think most people are anti racist and doing anti racist movements. absolutely mostly end— movements. absolutely mostly end resdsn— movements. absolutely mostly anti racism against jews as much as anti racism against jews as much es dnew— anti racism against jews as much es dnew ee— anti racism against jews as much es dnew resdsd— anti racism against jews as much as they are racist against all new— as they are racist against all knew dnengn. — as they are racist against all knew dnengn. r— as they are racist against all they though. i think it's a are new— they though. i think it's a are new ee— they though. i think it's a are new bedng— they though. i think it's a are they are being left wing because i they are being left wing because rtnsd— they are being left wing because rtnsd vende— they are being left wing because i just wonder whether this term end— i just wonder whether this term end — i just wonder whether this term anti racism is— i just wonder whether this term anti racism is a— i just wonder whether this term anti racism is a little bit of a sneke— anti racism is a little bit of a sneke edb— anti racism is a little bit of a snake oil term. _ anti racism is a little bit of a snake oil term. \rr2r anti racism is a little bit of a snake oil term. \r2r r2r2r“ . snake oil term. no i don't think it is. i think polly is totally right on this. i founded conservatives against racism for equality. and we call ourselves the uk's first centre right organisation , anti racist organisation, anti racist organisation. i've got no problem at all with the term anti—racist. we've got to completely disavow how critical race theory that is the problem. but isn't that how isn't that new— but isn't that how isn't that new dwe— but isn't that how isn't that how two things— but isn't that how isn't that how two things isn't anti racism ded— how two things isn't anti racism ded dn— how two things isn't anti racism ded dn wdn— how two things isn't anti racism tied in with critical— how two things isn't anti racism tied in with critical race dneerw— tied in with critical race dneerw . — tied in with critical race dneerw . dds- tied in with critical race theory . it's not- tied in with critical race theory . . tied in with critical race- theory . it's not anti racism is theory. it's not anti racism is being against racism we have being against racism and we have got completely disentangle got to completely disentangle this scourge of critical

this this scourge of critical race theory. but then you would say from fighting for racial equality inherently racist. i completely disagree i completely disagree with sddseb— completely disagree with critical race _ completely disagree with critical race theory. i think ger— critical race theory. i think ged de— critical race theory. i think we've got to disentangle it, because what very critical for those for those who define and for those that don't, i'm not i'm i'm trying to get it back to its original meaning because for those who a lot of those who there's a lot of expressions right. so for those bdsdendng— expressions right. so for those bdsdendng er— expressions right. so for those listening or watching - . 3“. so for those listening or watching who don't knew— listening or watching who don't know-critical— listening or watching who don't know - critical race - listening or watching who don't know critical race theory know what critical race theory is, know what critical race theory ds—ne- know what critical race theoryi ds—ne wddn is, albie you can help me with it. is, albie you can help me with d. .knewbedge— is, albie you can help me with it.-knowledge is- is, albie you can help me with it. knowledge is greater it. your knowledge is greater den— it. your knowledge is greater dnen-bnd— it. your knowledge is greater than-but it's- it. your knowledge is greater than-but it's the- than mine, but it's the nnnsdnbe— than mine, but it's the principle that than mine, but it's the- principle -that based principle is really that based nnen— principle is really that based nenseennn-b- principle is really that based upon-colour, you. principle is really that based upon colour, you may upon your skin colour, you may neve— upon your skin colour, you may neve senen— upon your skin colour, you may have certain prejudice, certain resdsd— have certain prejudice, certain racist instincts,— have certain prejudice, certain racist instincts, that's racist instincts, and that's dneds—wddnl racist instincts, and that's- that's_with critical that's the problem with critical kese— that's the problem with critical race—binary. race theory. it's very binary end—en- race theory. it's very binary end—en skdn| and very focussed on skin sebenn — and very focussed on skin colour. it's— and very focussed on skin colour. it's very- and very focussed on skin. colour. it's very-it's colour. it's very binary, it's very focussed, focussed on skin colour. it kind of hinges from this people this idea that all white people are that all the are racists and that all the structures within the western world are kind of built to , to world are kind of built to, to basically exploit the global south brown black people south and brown and black people essentially . albie and it's essentially. albie and it's something which i completely disagree people can disagree with. jewish people can experience racism. travellers have some of the poorest life outcomes in the entire country.

actually worse than the black canbbean actually worse than the black caribbean community. so i think the that it's only people the idea that it's only people of colour who suffer from racism and racial disparities is totally wrong and anti racist need to be more clear about what they're talking about. not critical race theory. most certainly the _ critical race theory. most certainly the daily- c” .rt.3 t 3 most certainly the daily mirror. reenne— certainly the daily mirror. reenne deed— certainly the daily mirror. joanne rod stewart give nurses a pay joanne rod stewart give nurses a new dse— joanne rod stewart give nurses a new new— joanne rod stewart give nurses a new .— joanne rod stewart give nurses a new . r— joanne rod stewart give nurses a pay rise now . i mean, there's pay rise now. i mean, there's ned— pay rise now. i mean, there's ned dee— pay rise now. i mean, there's ned dee nenw— pay rise now. i mean, there's not too many people that would go not too many people that would ge en— not too many people that would ge en esd— not too many people that would go on record saying that the nurses shouldn't— go on record saying that the nurses shouldn't get a bump, but it's nurses shouldn't get a bump, but dds dnde— nurses shouldn't get a bump, but dds gndde eesw. — nurses shouldn't get a bump, but it's quite easy. he's— nurses shouldn't get a bump, but it's quite easy. r2 it's quite easy. he's not associating himself with the controversial no , that's the controversial no, that's the thing. but is this i mean, look, redr— thing. but is this i mean, look, dedr nbew— thing. but is this i mean, look, redr nbew de— thing. but is this i mean, look, fair play to him.— thing. but is this i mean, look, fair play to him. but,- “3 but is this i mean, look, fair play to him. but, you know, i fair play to him. but, you know, r-wenden— fair play to him. but, you know, r-wenden de— fair play to him. but, you know, i-wonder, the first- fair play to him. but, you know, i wonder, the first time i just wonder, the first time nes—e- i just wonder, the first time nes—e verw- i just wonder, the first timei nes—e verw eesw he's said this is a very easy dndng— he's said this is a very easy dndng der— he's said this is a very easy dndng be e— he's said this is a very easy thing for a celebrity do, thing for a celebrity to do, dsn-d— thing for a celebrity to do, nnb-keen.— thing for a celebrity to do, isn't-yeah. i- thing for a celebrity to do, isn't-yeah. i mean,- thing for a celebrity to do, isn't-yeah. i mean, ii thing for a celebrity to do,- isn't-yeah. i mean, i think isn't it? yeah. i mean, i think to be fair to rod stewart, he's been a long time champion of this particular cause. he's spoken nurses spoken in favour of nurses receiving rises the past receiving pay rises in the past and so i'm not going to be so cynical as to suggest that he's and so i'm not going to be so cynicathis to suggest that he's and so i'm not going to be so cynicathis to sortjest that he's and so i'm not going to be so cynicathis to sortjes'boost he's and so i'm not going to be so cynicathis to sortjes'boost his; doing this to sort of boost his own credibility or boost his own image. and he doesn't really need to, does he? he's bit of need to, does he? he's a bit of a correct. so think a legend, correct. so i think it's, know , it just chimes

it's, you know, it just chimes with the sort of the mindset of the mirror and sort of, you know, he's a he appeals to their demographics. so it's not really famous tory voter he was you know, he was he was one the tories always put forward you know we've got rod stewart so the fact that he's supporting the fact that he's supporting the nurses and indeed all of the health service workers who are all on the same pay system , i all on the same pay system, i think it's quite important because it, you know, it really is a popular cause. i think people is a popular cause. i think neenbe ee— is a popular cause. i think people are quite- t i think people are quite indignant about how people are quite indignant about new dds— people are quite indignant about how nhs staff,— people are quite indignant about how nhs staff, ambulance staff neve— how nhs staff, ambulance staff neve been— how nhs staff, ambulance staff have been treated. and the idea ded— have been treated. and the idea deed dnedr— have been treated. and the idea deed new new— have been treated. and the idea that their pay should fall even dnnner— that their pay should fall even dnnner besk— that their pay should fall even further back than— that their pay should fall even further back than it has in the nesd.— further back than it has in the nesd. sned— further back than it has in the nesd. deed ds— further back than it has in the past, that is just— further back than it has in the past, that is just not acceptable- past, that is just not acceptable .- past, that is just not acceptable . it's also not acceptable. it's also not sensdbbe— acceptable. it's also not sensible because , you know, we sensible because, you know, we need— sensible because, you know, we need de— sensible because, you know, we need be resrndd— sensible because, you know, we need to recruit more nurses. desd— need to recruit more nurses. nesd ed— need to recruit more nurses. nesd ed ebb.— need to recruit more nurses. most of all, we— need to recruit more nurses. most of all, we need to hold on to most of all, we need to hold on de den.— most of all, we need to hold on de dnen. we— most of all, we need to hold on to them. we are— most of all, we need to hold on to them. we are losing middle beveb— to them. we are losing middle beveb. ndgner— to them. we are losing middle level, higher level nurses in nnge— level, higher level nurses in nnge denend— level, higher level nurses in huge demand elsewhere and we're besdng— huge demand elsewhere and we're besdng den— huge demand elsewhere and we're besdng dnen es— huge demand elsewhere and we're losing them as we— huge demand elsewhere and we're losing them as we never had more this losing them as we never had more dnds weer— losing them as we never had more dnds weer den— losing them as we never had more this year than ever— losing them as we never had more this year than ever before. were.— this year than ever before. tree. and— this year than ever before. more. and we—

this year than ever before. more. and we can't afford to do dned. — more. and we can't afford to do that. however,— more. and we can't afford to do that. however, and- more. and we can't afford to do that. however, and i- more. and we can't afford to do that. 2 that. however, and i support the nurses myself. i've said it on this programme that that it's clear that they've fallen behind real terms , pay cut, and we're real terms, pay cut, and we're grateful for what they've done dunng grateful for what they've done during the pandemic. they've been but asking been through hell, but asking for 19% and going on strike that crosses a line for a lot of people. yes, but they've said. ddgnd. — people. yes, but they've said. ddgnd. dnew— people. yes, but they've said. right. they asked— yes, but they've said. right. they asked for 19% once right. they asked for19% once end— right. they asked for19% once end bbe— right. they asked for 19% once and the moment— right. they asked for 19% once and the moment they went on sddke— and the moment they went on sddke. dew— and the moment they went on strike, they said— and the moment they went on strike, they said straight away, you— strike, they said straight away, wen knew.— strike, they said straight away, wen knew. we— strike, they said straight away, you know, we just want sit you know, we just want to sit dewn— you know, we just want to sit down - negotiate. - you know, we just want to sit down negotiate. indeed, down and negotiate. and indeed, the down and negotiate. and indeed, dne—dne— down and negotiate. and indeed, the—the strikes- the rcn did. but the strikes webb— the rcn did. but the strikes webb .— the rcn did. but the strikes webb . bbe— the rcn did. but the strikes well , the nurses themselves felt well, the nurses themselves felt ded— well, the nurses themselves felt deed dne — well, the nurses themselves felt deed dne deed— well, the nurses themselves felt that the deal that— well, the nurses themselves felt that the deal that the rcn sdrnsk— that the deal that the rcn sdrnsk es— that the deal that the rcn struck was not— that the deal that the rcn struck was not enough . you know, struck was not enough. you know, it struck was not enough. you know, dd es— struck was not enough. you know, dd ene— struck was not enough. you know, dd dne dd— struck was not enough. you know, it was the it was— struck was not enough. you know, it was the it was the— struck was not enough. you know, it was the it was the nurses renk— it was the it was the nurses renk end— it was the it was the nurses rank and file— it was the it was the nurses rank and file who voted against wned— rank and file who voted against we de— rank and file who voted against what the leadership had had egreed— what the leadership had had egreed. se— what the leadership had had agreed. so the— what the leadership had had agreed. so the idea that these are agreed. so the idea that these wdsked— agreed. so the idea that these are wicked militant leaders who are wicked militant leaders who beeddng— are wicked militant leaders who are leading their— are wicked militant leaders who are leading their members esnew.— are leading their members esdrew. dd— are leading their members astray, it turns— are leading their members astray, it turns out their nernbes— astray, it turns out their members are,- astray, it turns out their members are, you know, more dederndned— members are, you know, more determined than— members are, you know, more determined than they are. re.enne — determined than they are. re.enne r— determined than they are. joanne. i think— determined than they are. joanne. i think they have been bedbw— joanne. i think they have been bedbw bed. — joanne. i think they have been bedbw bed. r— joanne. i think they have been badly led. i think— joanne. i think they have been badly led. i think i- joanne. i think they have been badly led. . badly led. i think i think their union representation hasn't hasn't done them a great service. and i think that should have held out for more. you mean

in the negotiation? _ have held out for more. you mean in the negotiation? no.- have held out for more. you mean in the negotiation? no. no,- have held out for more. you mean in the negotiation? no. no, they shouldn't have gone with such shouldn't have gone in with such a high demand in the first place. it just wasn't realistic. and seems to be the case and that seems to be the case across the other of across the other members of the workers service workers in the health service that coming out at the that are coming out at the moment. but, of course, in rod stewart's he well stewart's case, he can well afford the tax hikes that might be continue be necessary to continue funding. well, is an funding. well, this is it, an inexorable should inexorable and maybe we should be gary lineker because be fair on gary lineker because he's dogs abused he's had dogs abused for stepping into politics and having various things, having views on various things, including . including our borders policy. you know, these celebrities, i dew— you know, these celebrities, i mean, they could— you know, these celebrities, i mean, they could just go around. they— mean, they could just go around. dnew senbd— mean, they could just go around. dnew senbd they— mean, they could just go around. they could they could hold paid for they could they could hold paid der by— they could they could hold paid fee by de— they could they could hold paid for by the bbc. _ they could they could hold paid for by the bbc. that was the issue with gary at that point. but but rod stewart and the bdke— but but rod stewart and the bdke. r— but but rod stewart and the bdke. r neen— but but rod stewart and the like. i mean, he— but but rod stewart and the like. i mean, he could just go eed— like. i mean, he could just go eennd sewdng.— like. i mean, he could just go around saying, let's give everwee— around saying, let's givei everyone _ let's everyone money and let's be reebbw— everyone money and let's be reebbw-end— everyone money and let's be really-and he- everyone money and let's be really and he would win really nice and he would win nbenddds— really nice and he would win nbenddds der— really nice and he would win plaudits for that. is it helpful for plaudits for that. is it helpful fer—rel for stars like rod stewart to ensee— for stars like rod stewart to enter politics?— for stars like rod stewart to enter politics? do we enter politics? albie do we reebbw— enter politics? albie do we really-that?- enter politics? albie do we really-that? no- enter politics? albie do we really that? no i don't really want that? no i don't dndnk— really want that? no i don't dndnk dds— really want that? no i don't think it's particularly helpful. and— think it's particularly helpful. and-snenb— think it's particularly helpful. and-there's actually- think it's particularly helpful. i and -there's actually two and i think there's actually two headunes and i think there's actually two headlines the papers headlines in the in the papers today, actually illustrate today, which actually illustrate a problem. there's one prominent tory, former tory tory, i think a former tory party donor, saying he wants the government to cut vat for

tourists. so essentially cut a tax. and we've got another prominent tory in the papers saying he wants the government to spend more money. well, which one is correct? and one is correct? right. and i think this is the problem that we're both of these we're facing. and both of these gentlemen, distinguished gentlemen, very distinguished individuals, two individuals, is saying two opposing they want individuals, is saying two oppconservative they want individuals, is saying two oppconservative party:hey want individuals, is saying two oppconservative party toy want individuals, is saying two oppconservative party to do.int the conservative party to do. both not possible. it's both are not possible. so it's a it's a big task for the government. and don't think government. and i don't think these interventions helpful these interventions are helpful . well, you go. look, . well, there you go. look, we've - so much - . well, there you go. look, we've - so much to - well, there you go. look, we've so much to get through we've got so much to get through ener— we've got so much to get through enee—r— we've got so much to get through enee—r neve— we've got so much to get through after-i have-the. after the break. i have got the express,-metro_ after the break. i have got the express, metro and the express, the metro and the i ebse— express, the metro and the i ebse dnd— express, the metro and the i also find out— express, the metro and the i also find out why polly dewnbee-s— also find out why polly toynbee's back page baddie is bendnds— toynbee's back page baddie is dominic raab— toynbee's back page baddie is dominic raab and why i have a beek— dominic raab and why i have a beek ed— dominic raab and why i have a beek ed dnds. — dominic raab and why i have a look at this. joanne nadler's needbdne— look at this. joanne nadler's headline hero— look at this. joanne nadler's headline hero is— look at this. joanne nadler's headline hero is wait for it. bendnds— headline hero is wait for it. dominic raab.— headline hero is wait for it. dominic raab. so we're going to neve— dominic raab. so we're going to neve e— dominic raab. so we're going to have a dominic— dominic raab. so we're going to have a dominic raab face off ener— have a dominic raab face off edder dds.— have a dominic raab face off after this, plus— have a dominic raab face off after this, plus lots more from be— after this, plus lots more from be neners. — after this, plus lots more from be neners. and— after this, plus lots more from the papers. and should we spend en ene— the papers. and should we spend more on the armed— the papers. and should we spend more on the armed forces? all of bed— more on the armed forces? all of deed nbns— more on the armed forces? all of deed nbns e— more on the armed forces? all of deed nbns e dew— more on the armed forces? all of that plus a few chuckles as webb— that plus a few chuckles as webb see— that plus a few chuckles as webb see wen— that plus a few chuckles as well. see you .—

in two. lots of i in two. - lots of emails | n we. — lots of emails coming | n we.— lots of emails coming in | n we. — lots of emails coming in across a lots of emails coming in across e renge— lots of emails coming in across e renge ee— lots of emails coming in across a range of subjects— lots of emails coming in across a range of subjects . this from a range of subjects. this from wergered— a range of subjects. this from wergered rn— a range of subjects. this from margaret in relation to diane webbed— margaret in relation to diane abbedd .— margaret in relation to diane abbedd . sne— margaret in relation to diane abbott . she says, mark, i wish abbott. she says, mark, i wish neenbe— abbott. she says, mark, i wish neenbe wenbd— abbott. she says, mark, i wish people would stop using irish end— people would stop using irish and redheads— people would stop using irish and redheads in— people would stop using irish and redheads in the same sentence as anti—semitic . hmm. sentence as anti—semitic. hmm. wneds— sentence as anti—semitic. hmm. wneds bbe— sentence as anti—semitic. hmm. what's the connection? i'm irish end— what's the connection? i'm irish end e— what's the connection? i'm irish end e redneed— what's the connection? i'm irish and a redhead and— what's the connection? i'm irish and a redhead and i'm really puzzled— and a redhead and i'm really puzzled about— and a redhead and i'm really puzzled about this. margaret, dnenk— puzzled about this. margaret, dnenk wen— puzzled about this. margaret, dnenk wen eer— puzzled about this. margaret, thank you for that. and regerddng— thank you for that. and regarding the- thank you for that. and regarding the phone alert at 3:00— regarding the phone alert at esee dedew— regarding the phone alert at 3:00 today, did— regarding the phone alert at 3:00 today, did yours go off dds— 3:00 today, did yours go off dnds nen — 3:00 today, did yours go off this from anne— 3:00 today, did yours go off this from anne who says, mark, i nrevdensbw— this from anne who says, mark, i previously lived _ this from anne who says, mark, i previously lived in— this from anne who says, mark, i previously lived in a high risk deed— previously lived in a high risk deed eee— previously lived in a high risk flood area. this— previously lived in a high risk flood area. this security risk eben— flood area. this security risk eben wenbd— flood area. this security risk alert would have— flood area. this security risk alert would have been welcome end— alert would have been welcome end gdven— alert would have been welcome end gdven ne— alert would have been welcome and given me peace of mind. snow dekes— and given me peace of mind. snow ebekes ge— and given me peace of mind. snow rbekes ge ewew— and given me peace of mind. snow flakes go away and— and given me peace of mind. snow flakes go away and melt. i'll get— flakes go away and melt. i'll ged dwe— flakes go away and melt. i'll get dwe nee— flakes go away and melt. i'll get two more of— flakes go away and melt. i'll get two more of your emails sberdw— get two more of your emails snenbw. bns— get two more of your emails shortly, but let's— get two more of your emails shortly, but let's now have a beek— shortly, but let's now have a beek ed— shortly, but let's now have a look at more— shortly, but let's now have a look at more of— shortly, but let's now have a look at more of the papers which are look at more of the papers which ned— look at more of the papers which be en— look at more of the papers which are hot off the— look at more of the papers which are hot off the press. and we sden— are hot off the press. and we sden wdn— are hot off the press. and we start with the— are hot off the press. and we start with the daily express, end— start with the daily express, end dew— start with the daily express, and they lead— start with the daily express, and they lead with the following dedng— and they lead with the following dedng sns— and they lead with the following daring sas mission plucks bddedn-s— daring sas mission plucks britain's to— daring sas mission plucks britain's to safety in a dreneds— britain's to safety in a dramatic rescue mission, sas eses— dramatic rescue mission, sas forces evacuated— dramatic rescue mission, sas forces evacuated british ddnbeneds— forces evacuated british diplomats and their families as

dgndng— diplomats and their families as dgndng reged— diplomats and their families as fighting raged around them in war fighting raged around them in reen— fighting raged around them in war torn sudan— fighting raged around them in war torn sudan and sir mo farah bdds— war torn sudan and sir mo farah bdds en— war torn sudan and sir mo farah bids an emotional— war torn sudan and sir mo farah bids an emotional farewell to the bids an emotional farewell to be benden— bids an emotional farewell to the london marathon in metro need. — the london marathon in metro need. bdene— the london marathon in metro next. diane abbott fighting for her next. diane abbott fighting for beer nebddseb— next. diane abbott fighting for her political life— next. diane abbott fighting for her political life and escape nen— her political life and escape from khartoum.— her political life and escape from khartoum. sas leads uk dnbessw— from khartoum. sas leads uk embassy airlift— from khartoum. sas leads uk embassy airlift and the i abbott beses— embassy airlift and the i abbott beses bebenr— embassy airlift and the i abbott loses labour whip— embassy airlift and the i abbott loses labour whip over offensive race comments and— loses labour whip over offensive race comments and some mps enress— race comments and some mps enress enger— race comments and some mps express anger after the party ned— express anger after the party ned werked— express anger after the party had worked hard to regain trust debbewdng— had worked hard to regain trust debbewdng dne — had worked hard to regain trust following the anti—semitism sdsds— following the anti—semitism sdsds .— following the anti—semitism sdsds . nne— following the anti—semitism crisis . the pain— following the anti—semitism crisis. the pain is exposed egedn— crisis. the pain is exposed egedn .— crisis. the pain is exposed egedn . ee— crisis. the pain is exposed again , one mp- crisis. the pain is exposed again , one mp tells the again, one mp tells the i newsnener— again, one mp tells the i newsnener .— again, one mp tells the i newspaper , whilst dame margaret newspaper, whilst dame margaret wedge— newspaper, whilst dame margaret hodge describes— newspaper, whilst dame margaret hodge describes ed abbott's redder— hodge describes ed abbott's bedder es— hodge describes ed abbott's letter as deeply— hodge describes ed abbott's letter as deeply offensive . and letter as deeply offensive. and besd— letter as deeply offensive. and besd bnd— letter as deeply offensive. and besd bnd ned— letter as deeply offensive. and last but not least,— letter as deeply offensive. and last but not least, the times as ebne— last but not least, the times as ebdde eses— last but not least, the times as elite forces. night—time rescue of elite forces. night—time rescue ed bddsn— elite forces. night—time rescue of british diplomats in sudan end— of british diplomats in sudan end serbwn— of british diplomats in sudan and corbyn ally— of british diplomats in sudan and corbyn ally spark a new bebenr— and corbyn ally spark a new bebenr ew— and corbyn ally spark a new labour row over— and corbyn ally spark a new labour row over racism . there labour row over racism. there wen— labour row over racism. there wen ge. — labour row over racism. there wen ge. webb— labour row over racism. there you go. well, labour certainly den-d— you go. well, labour certainly den-d need— you go. well, labour certainly don't need those— you go. well, labour certainly don't need those headlines, but

denenddng— don't need those headlines, but denenddng en— don't need those headlines, but depending on how starmer handles it , depending on how starmer handles dd . nernens— depending on how starmer handles dd . nernens ne— depending on how starmer handles it , perhaps he can— depending on how starmer handles it, perhaps he can try to depending on how starmer handles it , perhaps he can try to get it, perhaps he can try to get a grip— it, perhaps he can try to get a gnn en— it, perhaps he can try to get a gnn en wned— it, perhaps he can try to get a grip on what has— it, perhaps he can try to get a grip on what has become quite a sdgnddsend— grip on what has become quite a significant headache for him in the significant headache for him in be besd— significant headache for him in be besd ze— significant headache for him in the last 24 hours.— significant headache for him in the last 24 hours. now it's time for the last 24 hours. now it's time fee e— the last 24 hours. now it's time fee e ew— the last 24 hours. now it's time for a new feature— the last 24 hours. now it's time for a new feature on the show. i'll for a new feature on the show. m be— for a new feature on the show. m be eskdng— for a new feature on the show. i'll be asking my— for a new feature on the show. i'll be asking my pundits for dnedr— i'll be asking my pundits for their headline,— i'll be asking my pundits for their headline, heroes and back page— their headline, heroes and back nege bennen— their headline, heroes and back nege bennen ds— their headline, heroes and back page bannau is who should be sebebreded— page bannau is who should be celebrated and— page bannau is who should be celebrated and who should get a resnberrw— celebrated and who should get a resnberrw e— celebrated and who should get a resnberrw e se— celebrated and who should get a raspberry ? so polly, who is your raspberry? so polly, who is your wedd— raspberry? so polly, who is your web seen— raspberry? so polly, who is your we'll start with,— raspberry? so polly, who is your we'll start with, i— raspberry? so polly, who is your we'll start with, i think, the bedddes— we'll start with, i think, the baddies. first,— we'll start with, i think, the baddies. first, your baddie , baddies. first, your baddie, nbeese. — baddies. first, your baddie, please. definitely. dominic keeb. — please. definitely. dominic keeb. des— please. definitely. dominic raab. he's been- please. definitely. dominic raab. 2“ “2 raab. he's been found effectively guilty by a distinguished air lawyer who understands his stuff, knows what bullying is . the idea that what bullying is. the idea that this is all just sort of snowflake, he got up by the civil service, you know, the guy who drew up the report is a serious person chosen by the government to do this report. there is no doubt that he has been intimidating people and behaving outrageously . and behaving outrageously. and what's more, has left with such bad grace, not a word of contrition , but turning round contrition, but turning round and saying this is a conspiracy

against me across three departments with three different senior civil servants. the idea that there is a plot against him is frankly insane. and i'm you know, i'm pretty disgusted by it. well, jo—anne nadler, we can jump— it. well, jo—anne nadler, we can tnnn eneed— it. well, jo—anne nadler, we can tnnn eneed de— it. well, jo—anne nadler, we can jump ahead to your— . well, jo—anne nadler, we can jump ahead to your headline beee.— jump ahead to your headline nere. wndsn— jump ahead to your headline hero, which is— jump ahead to your headline hero, which is one dominic raab. so hero, which is one dominic raab. se wnw— hero, which is one dominic raab. se wnw de— hero, which is one dominic raab. se wnw de wen— hero, which is one dominic raab. so why do you disagree with redw— so why do you disagree with rebbw se— so why do you disagree with polly so much? _ so why do you disagree with polly so much? t polly so much? because i think that that well, i totally disagree on the issue of the manner of his of his departure, which i think has been exemplary. he said that were there any questions to be raised about him , he would he would about him, he would he would leave . and although he was leave. and although he was actually and i'd hesitate to use the phrase found guilty , but the phrase found guilty, but although within the terms of the remit of the investigator action, he was found to have breached those terms on only two points, including things like asking people or commenting to people that their work had not been done to a sufficiently high standard . and so i think on that

standard. and so i think on that bafis standard. and so i think on that basis alone, the fact that he has gone and effective, he saved the prime minister from what would have been a no doubt a campaign of kind of a campaign to get him out from the press and from the opposition . then and from the opposition. then i think that he has put his party and his leader ahead of his own career. and that's admirable . career. and that's admirable. well, yes. i mean, polly, i'm wen— well, yes. i mean, polly, i'm sure you admired— �*fvd2.. gr23. i mean, polly, i'm sure you admired gordon brown, but sure you admired gordon brown, bnd ne— sure you admired gordon brown, bnd ne es— sure you admired gordon brown, but he was famous— sure you admired gordon brown, but he was famous for his bennen — but he was famous for his bennen and— but he was famous for his temper. and i— but he was famous for his temper. and i think it was andrew— temper. and i think it was andrew rawnsley's book, your sebbeegne— andrew rawnsley's book, your sebbeegne dn— andrew rawnsley's book, your colleague in the— andrew rawnsley's book, your colleague in the guardian who sedd— colleague in the guardian who seddlwes— colleague in the guardian who seddlwes dnde— colleague in the guardian who said-was quite a— colleague in the guardian who said was quite a brute . bad said he was quite a brute. bad ned— said he was quite a brute. bad ned de— said he was quite a brute. bad news had to be— said he was quite a brute. bad news had to be sandwiched with bits news had to be sandwiched with bdds ee— news had to be sandwiched with bdds ed geed— news had to be sandwiched with bits of good _ he - news had to be sandwiched with bits of good he broke bits of good news. and he broke ebend— bits of good news. and he broke eben-nnenes— bits of good news. and he broke about-phones a- bits of good news. and he broke about phones a week. no he about three phones a week. no he did about three phones a week. no he ddd-verw— about three phones a week. no he ddd-verw engrw— about three phones a week. no he ddd-verw engrw end— about three phones a week. no he did very angry and throw did get very angry and throw dndngs—dddn-dl did get very angry and throw. things—didn't kind things about, but he didn't kind of things about, but he didn't kind ee—sdvdb- things about, but he didn't kind of_civil servants,| of throw them at civil servants, nee-be — of throw them at civil servants, nor- he attack— of throw them at civil servants, nor- he attack civil- nor did he attack civil servends. — nor did he attack civil servants. i- nor did he attack civil servants. 2“ nor did he attack civil- servants. i mean, that was not what it was about. so it's okay if you bully colleagues rather than don't think than it's okay. i don't think you your temper if you should lose your temper if you're position you're in a position of authority, you should control your behave well and your temper and behave well and politely all times. so of politely at all times. so of course, i don't it's all course, i don't think it's all right, was plainly not of right, but it was plainly not of the at all, and it was

the same ilk at all, and it was not it was not about bullying civil servants and, you know, civil servants and, you know, civil really civil servants can't really answer they've answer back. this time. they've sort but across three sort of did. but across three different departments. i think the other thing about dominic raab left the ministry raab is he has left the ministry of justice his time there of justice his second time there in the worst state it's ever been in. we are now having criminal cases being booked in 2 or 3 years ahead. well how do victims get any justice, whatever, with such long, long delays? all to do with so many courts having closed down the austerity austerity years , austerity austerity years, having really hit that department very hard? that's right. he didn't stand up to it. now, in the 20 tens, the justice benennend— now, in the 20 tens, the justice benennend ger— now, in the 20 tens, the justice department got effective cuts of non— department got effective cuts of new nnder— department got effective cuts of 40% under the _ department got effective cuts of 40% under the then justice sesrederw— 40% under the then justice secretary, kenneth clarke. so dew-re— secretary, kenneth clarke. so they're clearly— secretary, kenneth clarke. so they're clearly paying the price . end— they're clearly paying the price now . but briefly,— they're clearly paying the price now . but briefly, if you can, now. but briefly, if you can, abbde— now. but briefly, if you can, abbde reen— now. but briefly, if you can, albie team raab or or not? look, i albie team raab or or not? look, r dndnk— albie team raab or or not? look, i think dominic— albie team raab or or not? look, i think dominic put— albie team raab or or not? look, i think dominic put himself in a ddedsnbd— i think dominic put himself in a difficult position— i think dominic put himself in a difficult position by saying ded— difficult position by saying deed ne— difficult position by saying that he would— difficult position by saying that he would resign if he was eennd. — that he would resign if he was eennd. wes— that he would resign if he was found. was that— that he would resign if he was found. was that a- that he would resign if he was found. was that a mistake to have? well, i think he might look back at that and think

perhaps it was a mistake. but look, ultimately i think rishi sunak has had to behave very heavy because heavy handedly because boris johnson was very light touch when it came to ministers misbehaving. and boris johnson was brought down by an inability to handle these situations properly. and that has meant that liz truss sacked conor burns. probably was not the best decision because he was later found not to be guilty of the crime that he was alleged to have done. and with dominic raab perhaps as well, the prime minister again could be maybe accused of behaving heavy handedly. think this handedly. but i think this is because , boris johnson did because, as boris johnson did not was not good enough at handung not was not good enough at handling these situations. and so the two prime ministers since him have had to behave in a very well. i him have had to behave in a very well . i tend him have had to behave in a very well. i tend to agree. and i dndnk— well. i tend to agree. and i dndnk de— well. i tend to agree. and i think the problem- i tend to agree. and i think the problem with boris, bedbw.— think the problem with boris, rebbw. ds— think the problem with boris, rebbw. ds ened— think the problem with boris, polly, is that he— think the problem with boris, polly, is that he was an inveterate— polly, is that he was an inveterate character. you know, ded— inveterate character. you know, deed ne— inveterate character. you know, deed be be— inveterate character. you know, that he he didn't— inveterate character. you know, that he he didn't have the seneeg— that he he didn't have the senreeg de— that he he didn't have the courage to fire— that he he didn't have the courage to fire people. and dneds— courage to fire people. and that's effectively what sunak's dene — that's effectively what sunak's dene wdn— that's effectively what sunak's done with with— that's effectively what sunak's done with with raab, or at least essended— done with with raab, or at least essended nds— done with with raab, or at least accepted his resignation. an let me ded— accepted his resignation. an let me debb wen— accepted his resignation. an let me tell you that— accepted his resignation. an let me tell you that is back. me tell you that albie is back. page— me tell you that albie is back. nege-edens- me tell you that albie is back. page diane abbott and page batty was diane abbott and bedbw-s— page batty was diane abbott and polly's headline— page batty was diane abbott and

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i'm ray addison. headliners is coming right up. but first, here are the news headlines and our top story, the government is launching a review to find out why some mobile phone users did not receive today's emergency test alert . not receive today's emergency test alert. karim khan . at 3 test alert. karim khan. at 3 pm. most people received a message on their home screen along with a sound and vibration for up to ten seconds. however users on some networks, including three, did not. there's also been reports online that some people have not been able to make or receive calls since that test. deputy prime minister oliver dowden says the alert could save people's lives in the future. is the case that this has been developed with