the case that this future. it's the case that this has— future. it's the case that this has been— future. it's the case that this has been developed- ”c; it's the case that this has been developed with the national— has been developed with the national cyber— has been developed with the national cyber security centre , national cyber security centre, which— national cyber security centre, which forms— national cyber security centre, which forms part— national cyber security centre, which forms part of gchq . there which forms part of gchq. there wm— which forms part of gchq. there will be— which forms part of gchq. there will be a— which forms part of gchq. there will be a very— which forms part of gchq. there will be a very strict— which forms part of gchq. there will be a very strict procedures in place— will be a very strict procedures in place fer— will be a very strict procedures in place for its— will be a very strict procedures in place for its authorisation ene— in place for its authorisation and n— in place for its authorisation and it wm— in place for its authorisation and it will only— in place for its authorisation and it will only be used in a situation— and it will only be used in a situation where— and it will only be used in a situation where your viewers uve— situation where your viewers uve — situation where your viewers uve in— situation where your viewers live are in danger. i'm determined- live are in danger. i'm determined that there is a very high— determined that there is a very high bar— determined that there is a very hhgh her her— determined that there is a very high bar for the— determined that there is a very high bar for the usage of this. the— high bar for the usage of this. the prime— high bar for the usage of this. the prime minister has hailed the have— the prime minister has hailed the brave efforts— the prime minister has hailed the brave efforts of the uk's armed— the brave efforts of the uk's armed forces— the brave efforts of the uk's armed forces after they helped hhheh— armed forces after they helped british diplomats— armed forces after they helped british diplomats and their fehhhee— british diplomats and their families to— british diplomats and their families to escape fighting in sheen. — families to escape fighting in sheen. they— families to escape fighting in sudan. "car f: families to escape fighting in sudan. f: f sudan. they carried out complex missions in the capital khartoum, alongside other allies . hundreds of civilians have died in the violent conflict between the sudanese army and a rival paramilitary group. foreign secretary james cleverly says the government is continuing to ensure the safety of british nationals who remain in the country. we have taken the decision— in the country. we have taken the decision to— " {has we have taken the decision to temporarily eheee — the decision to temporarily chose the — the decision to temporarily close the embassy and to reheate— close the embassy and to relocate our— close the embassy and to relocate our embassy staff if that— relocate our embassy staff if that ghee— relocate our embassy staff if that ghee ee— relocate our embassy staff if that gives us a— relocate our embassy staff if

that gives us a the best ephehuhhy— that gives us a the best opportunity to protect our ehhehehe— opportunity to protect our diplomatic support back into sheen— diplomatic support back into sheen .— diplomatic support back into sheen . huh— diplomatic support back into sudan . but we— diplomatic support back into sudan. but we remain diplomatic support back into sudan . but we remain absolutely sudan. but we remain absolutely eemmhhee— sudan. but we remain absolutely eemmhhee he— sudan. but we remain absolutely committed to support british hehehehe— committed to support british nationals in— committed to support british nationals in sudan . we will do nationals in sudan. we will do so h— nationals in sudan. we will do so he chee— nationals in sudan. we will do so in close coordination action with— so in close coordination action whh eu— so in close coordination action with our international partners . huh— with our international partners . huh the— with our international partners . but the best— with our international partners . but the best thing that we can do . but the best thing that we can he he— . but the best thing that we can he he eueeeh— . but the best thing that we can do to support british nationals ahe— do to support british nationals and indeed— do to support british nationals and indeed everyone in sudan is pushed.— and indeed everyone in sudan is euehee. the— and indeed everyone in sudan is pushed. the generals involved in this pushed. the generals involved in the eehfheh— pushed. the generals involved in this conflict ,_ pushed. the generals involved in this conflict , to— pushed. the generals involved in this conflict , to bring it to an this conflict, to bring it to an end.— this conflict, to bring it to an end. ahe— this conflict, to bring it to an end. and that— this conflict, to bring it to an end. and that will remain the heme— end. and that will remain the ehehey eh— end. and that will remain the ehehey eh eu— end. and that will remain the priority of our diplomatic focus in priority of our diplomatic focus h the— priority of our diplomatic focus h the region— priority of our diplomatic focus he he regheh .— priority of our diplomatic focus in the region . diane abbott has in the region. diane abbott has been— in the region. diane abbott has been suspended— in the region. diane abbott has been suspended as a labour mp pending— been suspended as a labour mp pending eh— been suspended as a labour mp pending an investigation action ahe— pending an investigation action he she— pending an investigation action after she claimed— pending an investigation action after she claimed that jewish heehhe— after she claimed that jewish heeehe — after she claimed that jewish heeehe hee— after she claimed that jewish people are not subject to h— people are not subject to racism. in an- people are not subject to racism. " e�*" erecc people are not subject to racism. “ 3“ mc; people are not subject to racism. “ 3“ (32.4; racism. in an article for the observer newspaper, the former shadow health secretary said jewish people experience prejudice like irish or red—headed people. but not racism. she has since withdrawn the remarks and apologised for any offence caused, however , the any offence caused, however, the labour party has called the comments deeply offensive and wrong . the home secretary says wrong. the home secretary says it's crucial that the government

has the power to deport migrants without being blocked by the european court of human rights . european court of human rights. in the sunday telegraph, suella braverman said for britain to be quote, truly sovereign, it needs to be able to decide who enters our territory . this comes after our territory. this comes after 11 small boats carrying nearly 500 people crossed the english channel yesterday . and two new channel yesterday. and two new pictures of prince louis have been published as he celebrates his fifth birthday today. he's been photographed being pushed in a wheelbarrow by his mother . in a wheelbarrow by his mother. louis is expected to accompany his siblings in the procession from westminster abbey during the king's coronation next month . we're on tv online the king's coronation next month .we're on tv online on dab+ radio and on tune in to this is gb news. time now for free speech nation . well speech nation. well. a uk rapper

and comedian has his tour cancelled for saying that men can't get pregnant . diane abbott can't get pregnant. diane abbott ehehhe— can't get pregnant. diane abbott ehehhe thee— can't get pregnant. diane abbott claims that jewish— £3“ . 922 3 diane abbott claims that jewish people don't hee— claims that jewish people don't heee — claims that jewish people don't face racism and— claims that jewish people don't face racism and celebrities on twitter— face racism and celebrities on hhher have— face racism and celebrities on twitter have a— face racism and celebrities on twitter have a meltdown because hen— twitter have a meltdown because eheh hush— twitter have a meltdown because elon musk took— twitter have a meltdown because elon musk took their precious hhue— elon musk took their precious hhue hehe— elon musk took their precious blue ticks away— elon musk took their precious blue ticks away .— elon musk took their precious blue ticks away . this is free blue ticks away. this is free speech— blue ticks away. this is free speech nation— blue ticks away. this is free speech nation who who .7 welcome speech nation who who.7 welcome to speech nation who who.7 welcome he hee— speech nation who who.7 welcome he hee speech— speech nation who who.7 welcome to free speech nation with me andrew— to free speech nation with me ahehew heyhe— to free speech nation with me ahehew heyhe .— to free speech nation with me andrew doyle . well, this is the andrew doyle. well, this is the shew— andrew doyle. well, this is the ehew where— andrew doyle. well, this is the show where we— andrew doyle. well, this is the show where we take a look at where.— show where we take a look at culture, current— show where we take a look at culture, current affairs and hehhee.— culture, current affairs and politics. and _ culture, current affairs and politics. and of— culture, current affairs and politics. and of course, we'll have— politics. and of course, we'll have hhe— politics. and of course, we'll have the latest— politics. and of course, we'll have the latest from our hhehhhy— have the latest from our friendly neighbourhood culture warriors-valiant- warriors and their valiant ehehe— warriors and their valiant- efforts—sentient efforts to cancel every sentient human— efforts to cancel every sentient huheh hehg— efforts to cancel every sentient human being .the - efforts to cancel every sentient human being the planet. human being on the planet. cehhe— human being on the planet.- cehhe—hehhghh. coming up on the show tonight, we-hh— coming up on the show tonight, we-hhleeeehhe— coming up on the show tonight, we'll-speakinglthe- we'll be speaking to the successful— we'll be speaking to thei successful-and we'll be speaking to the- successful-and rapper successful comedian and rapper hhewh— successful comedian and rapper hhewh whe— successful comedian and rapper known who-had— successful comedian and rapper known who had tour dates, known who has had tour dates, eeheehheh— known who has had tour dates, eeheehheh hy— known who has had tour dates, cancelled by venues because cancelled by some venues because he-heh— cancelled by some venues because he-heh eehheh— cancelled by some venues because he-heh eehheh eeh— cancelled by some venues because he men cannot get pregnant. he said men cannot get pregnant. an he said men cannot get pregnant. ah alarming— he said men cannot get pregnant. an alarming report— he said men cannot get pregnant. an alarming report for the women's rights network has reveeheh— women's rights network has revealed the— women's rights network has revealed the shocking extent of eeueh— revealed the shocking extent of sexual violence— revealed the shocking extent of sexual violence suffered by women in uk— sexual violence suffered by women in uk hospitals where you hhhh— women in uk hospitals where you hhhh hhey— women in uk hospitals where you hhhh hhey hhghh— women in uk hospitals where you think they might be safe. we're going— think they might be safe. we're going he— think they might be safe. we're gehg he he— think they might be safe. we're gehg he he-he- think they might be safe. we're going to be-to the- going to be talking to the eeeh-e— going to be talking to the report's professor report's author, professor joe

hheenhe— report's author, professor joe hheehhx. ahe— report's author, professor joe phoenix, and we'll be hearing hem— phoenix, and we'll be hearing hem hewyer— phoenix, and we'll be hearing from lawyer sarah phillimore phoenix, and we'll be hearing from lawyhnon—crimeillimore phoenix, and we'll be hearing from lawyhnon—crime hate)re about the non—crime hate hehhehhe— about the non—crime hate hehhehhe .— about the non—crime hate incidents . day— about the non—crime hate incidents . day of action set to incidents. day of action set to he— incidents. day of action set to hehe hheee— incidents. day of action set to hehe eheee eh— incidents. day of action set to take place on may the 20th as eehvhehe— take place on may the 20th as activists fight— take place on may the 20th as activists fight back against heres— activists fight back against herhe eh— activists fight back against kerbs on free— activists fight back against kerbs on free speech. also, eeher— kerbs on free speech. also, eeher james— kerbs on free speech. also, actorjames dreyfus kerbs on free speech. also, actor james dreyfus will be kerbs on free speech. also, actorjames dreyfus will be here actor james dreyfus will be here to pay— actor james dreyfus will be here he hey hhhuhe— actor james dreyfus will be here to pay tribute to— actor james dreyfus will be here to pay tribute to the great eehehheh— to pay tribute to the great comedian and— to pay tribute to the great comedian and entertainer barry huhhhhee— comedian and entertainer barry humphries, who— comedian and entertainer barry humphries, who very sadly passed away— humphries, who very sadly passed away yeehereey. — humphries, who very sadly passed away yesterday. and of course , away yesterday. and of course, hyeeh— away yesterday. and of course, hyeeh ahe— away yesterday. and of course, hyeeh and my— away yesterday. and of course, myself and my wonderful panel whhh— myself and my wonderful panel whhh he— myself and my wonderful panel will be answering— myself and my wonderful panel will be answering questions from our will be answering questions from heeuhhuh— will be answering questions from our beautiful audience. our beautiful studio audience. all our beautiful studio audience. hhh—hueh- our beautiful studio audience.| all—much more all that and much, much more hehhehh— all that and much, much more hehhehh eh— all that and much, much more tonight on free— all that and much, much more tonight on free speech nation. let-introduce— tonight on free speech nation. let-introduce my- tonight on free speech nation. let introduce my studio guest let me introduce my studio guest this let me introduce my studio guest hhh evenhe— let me introduce my studio guest this evening, scott— let me introduce my studio guest this evening, scott capurro and leo this evening, scott capurro and hee hee— this evening, scott capurro and hee hee .— this evening, scott capurro and leo kearse . how— this evening, scott capurro and leo kearse . how are you both leo kearse. how are you both heehhge — leo kearse. how are you both heehhge veh— leo kearse. how are you both looking? «c13 : well,i looking? very dapper. well, i hush— looking? very dapper. well, i huehwehheh— looking? very dapper. well, i just wanted to— looking? very dapper. well, i just wanted to dress- looking? «hip : well,i just wanted to dress nicely for yeu. — just wanted to dress nicely for yeu. her— just wanted to dress nicely for you. for me? yeah- just wanted to dress nicely for you. 7 yeah. just wanted to dress nicely for you. 7 yeah . to compensate you. for me? yeah. to compensate for you. for me? yeah. to compensate her he— you. for me? yeah. to compensate her heu— you. for me? yeah. to compensate her heu heeh— you. for me? yeah. to compensate for me. you look a— you. for me? yeah. to compensate for me. you look a bit— you. 7 yeah. to compensate for me. you look a bit tired, hheh-e— for me. you look a bit tired, hheh-e ehh. — for me. you look a bit tired, that's all. yeah,— for me. you look a bit tired, that's all. yeah, i- for me. you look a bit tired, that's all. yeah, i knew. i knew you— that's all. yeah, i knew. i knew yeu weuhh— that's all. yeah, i knew. i knew yeu weuhe eey. — that's all. yeah, i knew. i knew you would say. and it is true, hee— you would say. and it is true, hee. hhweye— you would say. and it is true, leo. always looking smart. thank veh— leo. always looking smart. thank yeu. .— leo. always looking smart. thank yeu. h eehuehhy— leo. always looking smart. thank you. i actually forgot my shirt. so you. i actually forgot my shirt. se hhhe— you. i actually forgot my shirt. se he he. — you. i actually forgot my shirt. se he he. hm— you. i actually forgot my shirt. so this is. i'm just— you. i actually forgot my shirt. i'm just glad myt so this is. i'm just glad myt ehhh— so this is. i'm just glad myt ehhh heeeh-h— so this is. i'm just glad myt shirt doesn't have— i'm just glad myt shirt doesn't have baby sick on it. shirt doesn't have baby sick on h. — shirt doesn't have baby sick on h. yeah.— shirt doesn't have baby sick on h. veeh. h— shirt doesn't have baby sick on h. veeh. h he— shirt doesn't have baby sick on it. yeah, i do have- shirt doesn't have baby sick on it. yeah, i do have a- shirt doesn't have baby sick on it. “in?" ii “in?" it. yeah, i do have a baby. yeah that explains that one. let's get some questions- let's get some questions from the euhhehee— get some questions from the whence he— get some questions from the audience to kick— get some questions from the audience to kick off. our first eueeheh— audience to kick off. our first question jonathan. john,

question is from jonathan. john, where-e—hh l where'sjonathan? hi. hi. hi hhhh— where'sjonathan? hi. hi. hi hhhh heu— where'sjonathan? hi. hi. hi hhhh yeu he— where'sjonathan? hi. hi. hi will you be keeping will you be keeping your blue tick on twitter? everyone's gone twitter? yes. so everyone's gone a twitter? yes. so everyone's gone e-heveh-h— twitter? yes. so everyone's gone e-heveh-h hheye- twitter? yes. so everyone's gone a - haven't they? at- twitter? yes. so everyone's gone a - haven't they? at the i a bit mad, haven't they? at the hehehhe— a bit mad, haven't they? at the hehehhe se— a bit mad, haven't they? at the moment? so elon— a bit mad, haven't they? at the moment? so elon musk said that he—ewey- moment? so elon musk said that he—ewey whehl he was going to take away what he— he was going to take away what hey can— he was going to take away what he eehh hhe — he was going to take away what they call the verification tick, they call the verification tick, hhe hhue — they call the verification tick, the blue -twitter- they call the verification tick, the blue twitter and the blue tick on twitter and hheee—ueehl the blue tick on twitter and. these—used to these were previously used to eeh— these were previously used to eeh eh— these were previously used to eeh eh shew— these were previously used to sort of show accounts that are eehehhhee— sort of show accounts that are celebrities-figures. celebrities or public figures ahe— and that would prevent impersonation that was the idea. ahe— impersonation that was the idea. aha-hush— impersonation that was the idea. hhh-hueh hee- impersonation that was the idea. and musk has introduced and now elon musk has introduced this and now elon musk has introduced hhhe—ehyehe- and now elon musk has introduced hhh—ehyehe eehl this new idea where anyone can buy— this new idea where anyone can hey ee— this new idea where anyone can hey her— this new idea where anyone can hey her he— this new idea where anyone can hey her he e— this new idea where anyone can buy one for $8 a month. but you do buy one for $8 a month. but you he he— buy one for $8 a month. but you do get benefits— buy one for $8 a month. but you do get benefits with don't do get benefits with that, don't yeee— do get benefits with that, don't yeee-heh— do get benefits with that, don't yeee-heh-hehheel you? leo you get like longer hheee— you? leo you get like longer videos, longer— you? leo you get like longer videos, longer-it- you? leo you get like longer videos, longer it seems videos, longer tweets. it seems eeeeehehhe— videos, longer tweets. it seems eeeeeeehhelme— videos, longer tweets. it seems reasonable me, but the reasonable to me, but the celebrities— reasonable to me, but the celebrities upset. celebrities are a bit upset. yeah.— celebrities are a bit upset. yeah-cah- celebrities are a bit upset. yeah. -can edit. celebrities are a bit upset. yeah. can edit your yeah. and you can edit your heeehe— yeah. and you can edit your heeehe hee— yeah. and you can edit your tweets for half— yeah. and you can edit your tweets for half an hour after yee— tweets for half an hour afterj yee-ve—hhh. you've posted. i know this. yeah, know this because i've yeah, i know this because i've bought so? so it's bought one. yeah. so? so it's great. i think it's good great. and i think it's good value. what i think is really crazy. a lot of public crazy. there's a lot of public sector organisations are refusing to pay for the blue tick they should, tick when they should, particularly could particularly as they could probably it as sort probably offset it as some sort of against climate change because elon musk developed it the most successful electric cars in history. that's true. that's one way of looking at it. have— that's one way of looking at it. have yee— that's one way of looking at it. have yee hee—

that's one way of looking at it. have you are you— that's one way of looking at it. have you are you going to get hhee— have you are you going to get hhee hehee— have you are you going to get blue ticks? no,— have you are you going to get blue ticks? no, i'm not hheehehh— blue ticks? no, i'm not important enough. i'm not as heu— important enough. i'm not as hehh enh— important enough. i'm not as tall and important as leo is. but also it's just hard that when something's been to when something's been given to free love free charge because people love free charge because people love free stuff. you know what i mean? like, remember when netflix then netflix wasn't charging and then they started charging? i thought it fall apart. it wouldn't it would fall apart. it wouldn't go they've go anywhere. and then they've done quite people get used it done quite people get used to it after a bit weird, after a while. it's a bit weird, isn't when all isn't it, when you have all these millionaires sort of saying there's no way i'm paying for tick. you've got for a blue tick. you've got hhhhehe— for a blue tick. you've got millions of.— for a blue tick. you've got millions of. _ for a blue tick. you've got millions of. that's- for a blue tick. you've got millions of. that's why they're millionaires, because they're cheap. they're cheap. because they're cheap. yeah. no, exactly. now, what eheeh— yeah. no, exactly. now, what eheeh-hhhh— “in?" no, exactly. now, what about thing, though, leo? about this thing, though, leo? i hhe— about this thing, though, leo? i mean, the thing— about this thing, though, leo? i mean, the thing-it- about this thing, though, leo? i mean, the thing it was mean, the thing is, it was hhhhhy— mean, the thing is, it was initially intended to say, look, hhhe—hhehl this is a public figure so that when— this is a public figure so that eheh—eeh- this is a public figure so that eheh—eeh upl this is a public figure so thati when—set up an when someone else set up an eeeeehh— when someone else set up an eeeeehh-hhe— when someone else set up an account-the same- when someone else set up an account the same name, when someone else set up an accourthey, the same name, when someone else set up an accourthey, theyhe same name, when someone else set up an accourthey, they have ne name, when someone else set up an accourthey, they have done,ne, when someone else set up an accourthey, they have done, that which they, they have done, that you which they, they have done, that yee—eeeeehhe- you get these fake accounts eehhhh— you get these fake accounts calling themselves barack obama or calling themselves barack obama ee ehehevee— calling themselves barack obama or whatever and _ calling themselves barack obama or whatever and saying terrible hhhhe—heehl or whatever and saying terrible. things—look bad. things and making him look bad. yeah— things and making him look bad. heehlhheee— things and making him look bad. heehlhheeele— things and making him look bad. yeah .therela-to- yeah so there is a point to hheh— yeah so there is a point to hheh. heh— yeah so there is a point to that. but for— yeah so there is a point to that. but for years now, twitter have— that. but for years now, twitter have-eeeehhh- that. but for years now, twitter have awarding blue have just been awarding blue hehe—eheeel have just been awarding blue. ticks—agree with ticks to people they agree with enh— ticks to people they agree with- ehh—heeehe and taking them away from people they don't agree with. so eehehhy— they don't agree with. so actually-bit- they don't agree with. so actually bit redundant actually it's a bit redundant ehyeey. — actually it's a bit redundant ehyeey. -h— actually it's a bit redundant anyway.-i mean,- actually it's a bit redundant anyway. i mean, that's anyway. yeah, i mean, that's the reh— anyway. yeah, i mean, that's the real—mean, twitter. real problem. i mean, twitter was ideologically captured real problem. i mean, twitter was they eologically captured real problem. i mean, twitter was they wereically captured real problem. i mean, twitter was they were just/ captured real problem. i mean, twitter was they were just rewarding that they were just rewarding leftist the the blue leftist s with the with the blue

tick wanted to tick and they really wanted to push, anybody, anybody tick and they really wanted to push any anybody, anybody tick and they really wanted to push any sensible nybody, anybody tick and they really wanted to push any sensible ideas y, anybody tick and they really wanted to push any sensible ideas off nybody tick and they really wanted to push any sensible ideas off the ody with any sensible ideas off the platform. yeah. so what platform. yeah. so that's what they're that's why they're doing and that's why elon to come in and actually elon had to come in and actually actually because elon had to come in and actually actuelikes because elon had to come in and actually actuelikes memes because elon had to come in and actually actuelikes memes and because elon had to come in and actually actuelikes memes and theste elon had to come in and actually actuelikes memes and they banned elon likes memes and they banned the babylon bee and he likes elon likes memes and they banned the ispeech, bee and he likes elon likes memes and they banned the ispeech, bee anlikeslikes elon likes memes and they banned the ispeech, bee anlikes free free speech, but he likes free speech. you know, to be honest, it's speech. you know, to be honest, hh-e-hee— speech. you know, to be honest, hh-e-hee hee— speech. you know, to be honest, it's-for free speech,- it's not great for free speech, is it's not great for free speech, he he— it's not great for free speech, he hhe-ee— it's not great for free speech, he hhe-ee-he- it's not great for free speech,l is it?-we-to depend is it? when we have to depend on multi—billionaire_ is it? when we have to depend on multi—billionaire us— is it? when we have to depend on multi—billionaire us to sort of buy— multi—billionaire us to sort of hey-eeehh— multi—billionaire us to sort of buy-social media- buy up the social media ehehhehhe— buy up the social media platforms we just platforms to enforce it? we just have— platforms to enforce it? we just have-make— platforms to enforce it? we just have make sure that elon musk have to make sure that elon musk continues successful. continues being successful. so he buy things. he can continue to buy things. i want him to buy the bbc and the nhs next. i think people nhs next. i think that people are nhs next. i think that people ere-hheehh— nhs next. i think that people are -though, because. h “hixc i think that people are though, because they are angry, though, because they hhhhh—eheehhl think he's so rich. why should i he— think he's so rich. why should i ghee—e— think he's so rich. why should i ghee—e hehhhel think he's so rich. why should i. give—a month? why give him £8 or $8 a month? why when— give him £8 or $8 a month? why ehehlhee— give him £8 or $8 a month? why ehehlhee ee— give him £8 or $8 a month? why when-has so much— give him £8 or $8 a month? why when has so much money? when he has so much money? whe— when he has so much money? wheleeeee— when he has so much money? wheleeeee h— when he has so much money? well,iguess i mean,- when he has so much money? well,iguess i mean, i- when he has so much money? well,iguess i mean, i i've- well, i guess i mean, i i've done because good done it because it's a good service. i the edit button. service. i love the edit button. the edit is great because i had to the edit is great because i had he eeeh— the edit is great because i had he read-me— the edit is great because i had to read-me too. _ the edit is great because i had to read me too. /hix. to read it. me too. you know, he— to read it. me too. you know, the idea of putting out a spelling it keeps up spelling error, it keeps me up at without apostrophe. at night without the apostrophe. oh, know, i know. me too. oh, god. i know, i know. me too. heh— oh, god. i know, i know. me too. heh h— oh, god. i know, i know. me too. heh h hee— oh, god. i know, i know. me too. but i also think— oh, god. i know, i know. me too. but i also think that he gets a lot but i also think that he gets a heh eh— but i also think that he gets a heh eh-heeee.— but i also think that he gets a lot of-press.-weird- lot of bad press. it's weird heeeeee— lot of bad press. it's weird because people- lot of bad press. it's weird because people saying that because people keep saying that he-e—hhheehl he's only representing himself in he's only representing himself hh—hel in conservative press, but he heh— in conservative press, but he had-interview— in conservative press, but he had interview bbc in conservative press, but he- had.interview-bbc the had an interview on the bbc the ehhee—exeehhy.- had an interview on the bbc the other—exactly. he. other night. yeah, exactly. he eeye— says himself quite thin, eehehhy— says himself quite thin, eeheehhy. — says himself quite thin, actually. “in?" \ei

says himself quite thin, actually. / \i x actually. yeah. no, he. i'll talk to anyone. okay. we're going question talk to anyone. okay. we're goingthis question talk to anyone. okay. we're goingthis is question talk to anyone. okay. we're goingthis is from question talk to anyone. okay. we're goingthis is from nicholas.on now. this is from nicholas. hi, nicholas. what has nicholas. hi there. what has snooker do with climate snooker got to do with climate change? it's a very good question. have seen question. we must have all seen this. climate this. there were these climate protesters. they got arrested because they went to the crucible sheffield. this crucible in sheffield. this is the championships. crucible in sheffield. this is the the championships. crucible in sheffield. this is the the videonmpionships. crucible in sheffield. this is the the video goinghships. crucible in sheffield. this is the the video going on ps. you can see the video going on there the now. and there on the screen now. and someone jumped the table, an someone jumped on the table, an activist of someone jumped on the table, an activi looks of someone jumped on the table, an activi looks like of someone jumped on the table, an activi looks like orange of someone jumped on the table, an activi looks like orange powder, what looks like orange powder, this rust coloured this sort of rust coloured powder started screaming, really messed up the balls. and you know, the players must know, i think the players must have been a bit upset about that later. know. but i suppose, later. you know. but i suppose, you guy he's you know, this guy thinks he's saving from armageddon you know, this guy thinks he's saving medium n armageddon you know, this guy thinks he's saving mediumn asnooker. n through the medium of snooker. well, o'sullivan sullivan through the medium of snooker. welihappy o'sullivan sullivan wellhdappy when ullivan sullivan wellhdappy when he van sullivan wellhdappy when he heard|llivan wellhdappy when he heard there was happy when he heard there was some powder— was happy when he heard there was some powder on table. was some powder on the table. heh— was some powder on the table. heh yeah— was some powder on the table. heh yeah he— was some powder on the table. but yeah, this is— was some powder on the table. but yeah, this is ridiculous. i heeh-hhe- but yeah, this is ridiculous. i mean,-the sports. but yeah, this is ridiculous. i mean, the sports , but yeah, this is ridiculous. ii mean,-the sports , i mean, out of all the sports, i heeh-heh— mean, out of all the sports, i mean,-not exactly- mean, out of all the sports, i mean, not exactly drag mean, it's not exactly drag eeehhh— mean, it's not exactly drag hehhg. yee— mean, it's not exactly drag racing, you know mean? mean, it's not exactly drag- racing, you know-mean? by racing, you know what i mean? by ehheh— racing, you know what i mean? by ehheh-yee— racing, you know what i mean? by ehheh-yee heee.- racing, you know what i mean? by which-you know, the- which i mean, you know, the hhhhh— which i mean, you know, the hhhhg hehe— which i mean, you know, the thing done with— which i mean, you know, the thing done with cars, not actual gehhhhh—eth getting actual drag queens and racing— getting actual drag queens and eeehhh—ehhehl getting actual drag queens and racing—which is| racing them, which is, which is a racing them, which is, which is e-eeeheh— racing them, which is, which is a-carbon neutral- racing them, which is, which is a carbon neutral sport. but a very carbon neutral sport. but eheeeh— a very carbon neutral sport. but snooker—human. snooker is completely human heeeeeh. — snooker is completely human heeeeeh. -ee- snooker is completely human powered. are just powered. the balls are just eeeheh— powered. the balls are just. eeeheh—ehheh pushed along by a little stick. hee— pushed along by a little stick. h-ve eeheheh— pushed along by a little stick. i've watched it.— pushed along by a little stick. i've watched it. there's no hheee-e— i've watched it. there's no- there's—combustion there's no internal combustion eeehee— there's no internal combustion eeehee-hhe— there's no internal combustion engines.-the most- there's no internal combustion engines. the most carbon engines. this is the most carbon heeheeh— engines. this is the most carbon heeheeh-eehhy— engines. this is the most carbon heeheh-eeehhy .— engines. this is the most carbon neutral really . they neutral sport, really. they eheehh— neutral sport, really. they- eheehh—eeeehe neutral sport, really. they- should _people to should be encouraging people to play—

play snooker instead of, you heee.— play snooker instead of, you know, powerboat racing. yeah. hhhehe— know, powerboat racing. yeah. hhhehe hhe— know, powerboat racing. yeah. what's the logic— know, powerboat racing. yeah. what's the logic there?- know, powerboat racing. yeah. what's the logic there? well, they the they actually said the protesters we're doing this protesters said we're doing this because so people came to because so many people came to this and in cars this event on trains and in cars , buses all of that , on on buses and all of that fume that they released is going to ruin the environment. and i suppose the protesters there to ruin the environment. and i supp rickshaw. 'otesters there to ruin the environment. and i supp rickshaw. they rs there to ruin the environment. and i supp rickshaw. they they there on a rickshaw. they they eeheehhy— on a rickshaw. they they- actually _ apparently, actually hitchhiked, apparently, or actually hitchhiked, apparently, eehhey— actually hitchhiked, apparently, ee hhey eehheh— actually hitchhiked, apparently, or they rolled in— actually hitchhiked, apparently, or they rolled in on their eeeehhe— or they rolled in on their parents money. i don't know what hhey— parents money. i don't know what hhey hhh— parents money. i don't know what hhey hhh. heh— parents money. i don't know what they did, but they're blaming they did, but they're blaming hhe—eeheehhyl they did, but they're blaming the—actually a| they did, but they're blaming. the—actually a lot the fans who paid actually a lot of the fans who paid actually a lot eh hehey— the fans who paid actually a lot eh hehey he— the fans who paid actually a lot of money to see— the fans who paid actually a lot of money to see that event. he— of money to see that event. hhhe-hhhhe.— of money to see that event. this-thing. again- of money to see that event. this-thing. again and. this is the thing. again and again the climate activists again with the climate activists is that they often end up annoying when they annoying the public when they should get the should be trying to get the pubuc should be trying to get the public they public on side if they really cared about the. there are eeehehhy— cared about the. there are probably-that. cared about the. there are. probably-that room cared about the. there are- probably _that room who probably people in that room who hhhhh— probably people in that room who hhhhh heee— probably people in that room who might have-with- probably people in that room who might have _with-ifl might have agreed with them if hhey—ehhhhl they hadn't done that right. heeh. —ehh| they hadn't done that right.- yeah. _and that yeah. and sent him in and that hhh— yeah. and sent him in and that hheh-e— yeah. and sent him in and that hheh-e heh— yeah. and sent him in and that that-a lot didn't- yeah. and sent him in and that that a lot didn't it. that happened a lot didn't it. when— that happened a lot didn't it. when yee— that happened a lot didn't it. when yee hhh— that happened a lot didn't it. when you had was— that happened a lot didn't it. when you had was it- that happened a lot didn't it. when you had was it either extinction rebellion or insulate britain ambulances britain who prevented ambulances from to hospital? from getting to the hospital? that's win over that's not a way to win over hearts minds. no, hearts and minds. no, absolutely. particularly when hheee— those hearts have stopped, heeeeee— those hearts have stopped, because they couldn't get to the heehhheh. — because they couldn't get to the heeehheh—hth hospital. it's disgusting. and eehheehehy— hospital. it's disgusting. and- particularly—reduce particularly when you can reduce if particularly when you can reduce h heeh— particularly when you can reduce h heeh shee— particularly when you can reduce h heeh shee oh— particularly when you can reduce if just stop oil extinction if just stop oil an extinction hehehhheh— rebellion really believed that eyehyhehy— everybody should reduce their eeheh— everybody should reduce their eeeehzeeeh—- everybody should reduce their carbon _ zero, they i carbon footprint to zero, they eeehh — carbon footprint to zero, they-

eeehh—eeheee could lead by example and reduce hhehee— could lead by example and reduce hhehee he— could lead by example and reduce hhehee he eee.— could lead by example and reduce theirs to zero. using— could lead by example and reduce theirs to zero. using one simple heheh — theirs to zero. using one simple heheh hhh— theirs to zero. using one simple trick. and what's— theirs to zero. using one simple trick. and what's that ? you put trick. and what's that? you put a trick. and what's that? you put e eheehhe— trick. and what's that? you put a eheehhe hhh— trick. and what's that? you put a plastic bag over— trick. and what's that? you put a plastic bag over your head for eheeh— a plastic bag over your head for eheeh hhh— a plastic bag over your head for about half an— a plastic bag over your head for about half an hour— a plastic bag over your head for about half an hour. a plastic bag over your head for about half an hour . “hip f: about half an hour. they could buy— about half an hour. they could buy blue tick and support. ellen, you said, created ellen, who, as you said, created electric cars. he made the tesla. they could that. okay. tesla. they could do that. okay. we point out that we we should just point out that we do we should just point out that we he—hehe- we should just point out that wei he—hehe do not endorse putting bags over yeee—he.- do not endorse putting bags over yeee—he. eee- do not endorse putting bags overj yeee—he. eee hexh your head. there we go. our next heeehheh— your head. there we go. our next heeehheh he— your head. there we go. our next question is from _ your head. there we go. our next question is from mark. hello, hhh— question is from mark. hello, hhh- hehhe— question is from mark. hello, mark. hello. single sex mark. hello. should single sex eeheehe— mark. hello. should single sex eeheehe he— mark. hello. should single sex schools be able— mark. hello. should single sex schools be able to reject transgender— schools be able to reject transgender pupils? so this is an interesting— transgender pupils? so this is an interesting one. so there's heee— an interesting one. so there's been e— an interesting one. so there's been e heh— an interesting one. so there's been e heh eh— an interesting one. so there's been a lot of back and forth hhhe— been a lot of back and forth over this and— been a lot of back and forth over this and the government's hhhhhy— over this and the government's hhhhhy-hheee- finally drawn up these guidelines— finally drawn up these guidelines about single sex eeheehe— guidelines about single sex schools—that- guidelines about single sexi schools—that they schools and saying that they eheehh— schools and saying that they eheehh-he— schools and saying that they should _to reject- should be able to reject transgender— should be able to reject transgender pupils. the transgender pupils. and the gehhehee— transgender pupils. and the guidance would allow guidance would also allow heeeheee— guidance would also allow teachers to— guidance would also allow teachers to refuse to call eeehhe— teachers to refuse to call eeehhe hy— teachers to refuse to call pupils by their- teachers to refuse to call pupils by their preferred pronouns. and of course , this pronouns. and of course, this hee— pronouns. and of course, this he heee— pronouns. and of course, this has been prepared by education seeeehehy— has been prepared by education secretary gillian— has been prepared by education secretary gillian keegan and heehhhhee— secretary gillian keegan and equalities minister kemi heheheeh— equalities minister kemi heheheeh .— equalities minister kemi badenoch . i— equalities minister kemi badenoch . i often wondered about badenoch. i often wondered about this badenoch. i often wondered about hhhe heeeeee— badenoch. i often wondered about this because if— badenoch. i often wondered about this because if i— badenoch. i often wondered about this because if i know people ehe— this because if i know people ehe eheeh— this because if i know people ehe eeeh hh— this because if i know people who work in single sex schools hhh— who work in single sex schools ehh hhh— who work in single sex schools and what happens when a person in and what happens when a person he he— and what happens when a person he hhe eeheeh— and what happens when a person in the school chain— and what happens when a person in the school chain uses gender hheehhhy— in the school chain uses gender hhehhhhy. eey— in the school chain uses gender identity, say it's— in the school chain uses gender identity, say it's a— in the school chain uses gender identity, say it's a girl's eeheeh— identity, say it's a girl's school and _ identity, say it's a girl's school and one of the people eeye— school and one of the people eeye hhh—

school and one of the people says, well, now— school and one of the people says, well, now-a- school and one of the people says, well, now a boy. says, well, now i'm a boy. sheehhh-h— says, well, now i'm a boy. shouldn't-kick- says, well, now i'm a boy.- shouldn't-kick-out ? shouldn't they kick them out? you — shouldn't they kick them out? you he. — shouldn't they kick them out? you no, because— shouldn't they kick them out? you no, because if they don't hhh— you no, because if they don't hheh-hheyhe- you no, because if they don't kick-they're not- kick them out, they're not eeeeeehhhh— kick them out, they're not respecting gender respecting their gender hheehhhy— respecting their gender identity. mean, identity. right no, but i mean, it's something that it's just something that children doing for attention children are doing for attention . so what do is you say, . so what you do is you say, that's nice, dear, and continue about if nothing has about your day as if nothing has happened. but if if happened. but what if what if the happened. but what if what if hhe eeeehe— happened. but what if what if the people i question - : but what if what if the people question genuinely the people in question genuinely eehee— the people in question genuinely suffer—dysphoria?. suffer from gender dysphoria? hhhe— suffer from gender dysphoria? this - authentic - suffer from gender dysphoria? this authentic feeling. this is an authentic feeling. hee— this is an authentic feeling. you—apply- this is an authentic feeling. hee—eeehy hheh| you can't really apply that eheehh— you can't really apply that eehheehe—hl you can't really apply that- criteria_| mean, criteria then, can you? i mean, i criteria then, can you? i mean, h-yee— criteria then, can you? i mean, h-yee eee-h— criteria then, can you? i mean, h-yee eee-h .— criteria then, can you? i mean, i you can't . but i mean, i guess you can't. but i mean, this this new ruling will just allow it will give teachers the opfion allow it will give teachers the option to refuse to sort of go along with it. teachers are all still going to go along with it because they're all they're all ideologically captured as well. so because so this is interesting because in there's in ireland, of course, there's a case at the moment teacher case at the moment of a teacher who still refuses to who refused and still refuses to use the preferred pronouns of a male teacher. but however, sche— male teacher. but however,- seem—yee scott, you know, whatever you hhhhh— scott, you know, whatever you hhhhh eheeh— scott, you know, whatever you think about-that- scott, you know, whatever you think about that is called think about this, that is called eeheehheh— think about this, that is called. compelled _that compelled speech. i mean, that is compelled speech. i mean, that he—heeeehel is a sort of short step towards authoritarianism,— is a sort of short step towards authoritarianism, isn't it? is a sort of short step towards autlci hi'ianism, isn't it? is a sort of short step towards autlci ”him, isn't it? is a sort of short step towards autlci 5x.”hi n't it? is a sort of short step towards autlci g is a sort of short step towards autlci d c not quite sure why, though. it's become an you know, become such an issue, you know, such a huge global media issue . such a huge global media issue. it's grabbed so much attention when really it's a very intimate

decision you make you're decision you make when you're that push who you that age to push forward who you think you are. this is someone speaking as someone who's closeted until university . it's closeted until university. it's very difficult in high school to be who you are. i think it's very brave of these kids to say who they think they are. they're aware the that will aware of the pressure that will happen, are problems happen, but there are problems with there? with this, aren't there? because have with this, aren't there? - because . have practitioners because we have practitioners ehe—hhhe- because we have practitioners who—kids onto- who are pushing kids onto eehehy— who are pushing kids onto- eehehy—ehheeh puberty blockers, which almost eheeye— puberty blockers, which almost always-cross—sex- always lead to cross—sex hormones irreversible hormones and irreversible ehehhee— hormones and irreversible changes-body.- hormones and irreversible changes body. i do, hormones and irreversible- changes-body. i do, when changes to the body. i do, when in changes to the body. i do, when he hhh— changes to the body. i do, when he he hh— changes to the body. i do, when in fact it isn't— changes to the body. i do, when in fact it isn't dysphoria at hhh— in fact it isn't dysphoria at he hheee— in fact it isn't dysphoria at all. there are— in fact it isn't dysphoria at all. there are other factors hhvehveh— all. there are other factors involved and _ all. there are other factors involved and that is serious. hhh— involved and that is serious. wehh. hh-e— involved and that is serious. wehh. hh-e good— involved and that is serious. well, it's good that- involved and that is serious. well, it's good that they- involved and that is serious. well, it's good that they put guidelines forward because if there's schools there's anything schools are good at, usually it's following rules maybe will help rules. so maybe this will help help them help to help them make it so people are angry about it. activists are very angry about he.— activists are very angry about he. heeh— activists are very angry about this. yeah, course. this. yeah, of course. activists. _ this. yeah, of course. activists. i— this. yeah, of course. activists. i confused by activists. i get so confused by the like if it's the subject. it's like if it's a girl and she be a boy, girl and she wants to be a boy, she's in a girl school. can't they just say, you can be whatever want, darling, but whatever you want, darling, but when you're school, wear when you're at school, you wear a name cindy. a skirt and your name is cindy. the concern, the trouble, the concern, hheehh— the trouble, the concern, hheegh he— the trouble, the concern, though, is that- the trouble, the concern, though, is that if you have a hehe—

though, is that if you have a- hehe—eehhe male bodied individual who wants to male bodied individual who wants he-hhhe— male bodied individual who wants to-girls toilets,— to go into girls toilets, i mean, that's— to go into girls toilets, i mean, that's that's surely a massive problem. but massive problem. right? so but yes, a male bodied massive problem. right? so but yes, but a male bodied massive problem. right? so but yes, but but a male bodied massive problem. right? so but yes, but but theseiale bodied massive problem. right? so but yes, but but these but bodied massive problem. right? so but yes, but but these but thesei person, but but these but these are who undergone are children who have undergone the and haven't the surgery yet and haven't undergone the hormones or they're hormones. but this they're on hormones. but this is this problem. imean, they're on hormones. but this is this problem. i mean, the this is the problem. i mean, the ehhhheeh— this is the problem. i mean, the children—caught- this is the problem. i mean, the children—caught up. children are getting caught up in children are getting caught up hh—eehhehheh- children are getting caught up in contagion. and in this social contagion. and eevee-eeeh— in this social contagion. and we've rates bulimia and we've seen rates of bulimia and anorexia completely we've seen rates of bulimia and anorexia it completely we've seen rates of bulimia and anorexia it prettypletelyzero in dropped. it pretty much zero in eeheehe— dropped. it pretty much zero in eeheehe-ehh— dropped. it pretty much zero in schools all transgenderism schools while all transgenderism has schools while all transgenderism hee eheeh— schools while all transgenderism hee .— schools while all transgenderism hee . se— schools while all transgenderism has risen . so it's— schools while all transgenderism has risen . so it's replacing has risen. so it's replacing hehhhhe— has risen. so it's replacing bulimia and— has risen. so it's replacing bulimia and anorexia as a heehehe— bulimia and anorexia as a heehege ghhe— bulimia and anorexia as a teenage girls way of taking eeheeehhe— teenage girls way of taking ownership over— teenage girls way of taking ownership over their body. desexualised_ ownership over their body. desexualised that's good because hhhe— desexualised that's good because hhhe eh— desexualised that's good because hhhe eeh hee— desexualised that's good because kids eat too much. _ desexualised that's good because kids eat too much. “tile?" desexualised that's good because kids eat too much. / kids eat too much. yeah, but hhh— kids eat too much. yeah, but hhhe he— kids eat too much. yeah, but hhhe he he— kids eat too much. yeah, but this is a good thing. but then, i mean, this is a good thing. but then, h hhhe— this is a good thing. but then, i mean, like anorexia,- g: “g but then, i mean, like anorexia, you can't the— i mean, like anorexia, you can't heeh heee— i mean, like anorexia, you can't heeh heve e— i mean, like anorexia, you can't just have a sandwich and, hey, hhh— just have a sandwich and, hey, hen-hee— just have a sandwich and, hey, i'm-you-that's.. just have a sandwich and, hey,| i'm-you-that's. i'm i'm cured. you know, that's. i'm heh—h-h— i'm cured. you know, that's. i'm heh—h-h heehhy- not a doctor, but i'm pretty eee-hhh— not a doctor, but i'm pretty sure that simple. but with sure it's that simple. but with the sure it's that simple. but with hhe ehhh— sure it's that simple. but with the with transitions, you can't the— the with transitions, you can't heeh gree— the with transitions, you can't heeh heee eeh— the with transitions, you can't just grow out your genitals back and just grow out your genitals back ehh yee— just grow out your genitals back ehh yee eee-h— just grow out your genitals back and you can't undo the damage hehe— and you can't undo the damage hehe hy— and you can't undo the damage hehe hy eehehy— and you can't undo the damage done by puberty blockers and hormones. okay.— done by puberty blockers and hormones. �*fhhi ”hi done by puberty blockers and hormones. gi “g hormones. okay. we're going to move another question. move on now to another question. this katie . katie. this is from katie. hi, katie. yes should dominic raab resign as yes should dominic raab resign he he hhh— yes should dominic raab resign he an we se— yes should dominic raab resign as an mp? so this— “his should dominic raab resign as an mp? so this was the big he— as an mp? so this was the big news. is dominic— as an mp? so this was the big news. j “ ht. t g“ “g news. is dominic raab resigning after an inquiry found he had

acted in an intimidating and aggressive manner towards civil servants ? well, civil servants servants? well, civil servants are annoying, aren't they? leo? what do you think ? i can't what do you think? i can't believe only in— what do you think? i can't believe only in the- hii “

mean, when i was a teacher, i used that all the time. is used to do that all the time. is that what did i bully those kids? you did. and that's why you— kids? you did. and that's why yee-heeh.— kids? you did. and that's why yee-heeh. heh— kids? you did. and that's why you-fired. but i- h:~if7 you did. and that's why you fired. but i wonder if you were fired. but i wonder if he— you were fired. but i wonder if hhhe-eee— you were fired. but i wonder if this-werellot- you were fired. but i wonder if this-werellot of. this this there were a lot of he— this this there were a lot of like-different— this this there were a lot of like different allegations like 86 different allegations heeehhh— like 86 different allegations. heeehhh—hee brought against him. only two hhh— brought against him. only two heh heh— brought against him. only two had not about— brought against him. only two had not about hit rate. yeah, ehhy— had not about hit rate. yeah, ehhy hee— had not about hit rate. yeah, only two actually went forward , only two actually went forward, the only two actually went forward, hhe ee— only two actually went forward, hhe yee — only two actually went forward, the ones you mentioned and i hhhhh— the ones you mentioned and i hhhhh he-e— the ones you mentioned and i think he's quite— the ones you mentioned and i think he's quite shocked and eeeeheeh— think he's quite shocked and eeeeheeh. hh— think he's quite shocked and surprised. it would have been heeh— surprised. it would have been good hheehh— surprised. it would have been good hheegh hh— surprised. it would have been good though, if the prime hhhhehee— good though, if the prime. minister—and good though, if the prime- minister_and done minister had stepped in and done his minister had stepped in and done hhe-e— minister had stepped in and done hhe-e hhh— minister had stepped in and done his-a civil-and- his job as a civil servant and heeh— his job as a civil servant and heeh-hhhhh- his job as a civil servant and fired _think it- his job as a civil servant and fired think it makes fired rabbi. i think it makes hhh— fired rabbi. i think it makes hhh-eeeh - fired rabbi. i think it makes him -weak. they- fired rabbi. i think it makes him weak. “hip �*7 ”hih: fired rabbi. i think it makes- him -weak. they fired him him look weak. they fired him over throwing tomatoes. over throwing cherry tomatoes. this related. the this is a salad related. the problem this this is a salad related. the problem .this stuff- this is a salad related. the- problem .this stuff-raab problem is this stuff about raab has problem is this stuff about raabi hee—hee has been floating around him for hehhe—heh— has been floating around him for hehhe—heh heeh- has been floating around him for quite not just these quite some time. not just these hee— quite some time. not just these hee hhhhhe. — quite some time. not just these hee hhhhge. hh-e— quite some time. not just these two things. it's been about a yeee— two things. it's been about a yeee-e— two things. it's been about a yeee-e hhh— two things. it's been about a year-a half,-it's- two things. it's been about a year a half, it's just year and a half, but it's just hehhh— year and a half, but it's just hehhh-ee— year and a half, but it's just hehhh-ee e— year and a half, but it's just being as a weapon get being used as a weapon to get rid being used as a weapon to get ehh—hhhhhehee- being used as a weapon to get. rid—minister should rid of the prime minister should heee— rid of the prime minister should heee-ehehheh— rid of the prime minister should have-stepped in— rid of the prime minister should have stepped in said have just stepped in and said he— have just stepped in and said hhhelhehhh— have just stepped in and said hhhelhehhh-e- have just stepped in and said. this-being-a weapon, this is being used as a weapon, get this is being used as a weapon, heh eeh. — this is being used as a weapon, geh eeh. hee— this is being used as a weapon, get out. he's replaceable. so hhh— get out. he's replaceable. so that-problem,- get out. he's replaceable. so that-problem, we that is the problem, though. we live that is the problem, though. we hhhe—eheee- that is the problem, though. we live—where people. live in a culture where people can weaponize this. i'm not saying workplace intimidation doesn't doesn't and bullying doesn't happen, and that shouldn't be addressed. of course addressed. course it should be addressed. but always but there is always a possibility could possibility that someone could say, perceive that i being say, i perceive that i was being bullied therefore, because bullied and therefore, because they fired, bullied and therefore, because timean, fired, bullied and therefore, because timean, teachers fired, bullied and therefore, because timean, teachers fi itd, i mean, look, teachers face it all the time. the vast majority of against teachers

of complaints against teachers and pupils because and pupils are because the pupils know those teachers get suspended investigation. pupils know those teachers get suspeget d investigation. pupils know those teachers get suspeget their investigation. pupils know those teachers get suspeget their own investigation. pupils know those teachers get suspeget their own back;tigation. pupils know those teachers get suspeget their own back again. . they get their own back again. none of this might have happened .—heeh— none of this might have happened ._been avoided. . this might have been avoided if . this might have been avoided hh-e— . this might have been avoided hh-e eheehh— . this might have been avoided if-a strong prime- if we had a strong prime hhhhehee— if we had a strong prime minister, but— if we had a strong prime minister, but maybe he could heee— minister, but maybe he could have eheeeeh— minister, but maybe he could have stepped in— minister, but maybe he could have stepped in had have stepped in and had the hhh— have stepped in and had the civil service— have stepped in and had the civil service fired— have stepped in and had the civil service fired or dealt ehh— civil service fired or dealt. ehhh—heehheh with in private. the problem ehee— with in private. the problem ehee-heeh— with in private. the problem also-raab raab- with in private. the problem also raab raab has not also is that raab raab has not eeehegheeh.— also is that raab raab has not apologised, but— also is that raab raab has not apologised, but maybe he doesn't hhhhh— apologised, but maybe he doesn't hhhhh he— apologised, but maybe he doesn't hhhhh he hhh— apologised, but maybe he doesn't think he did anything. that's a eeehheh— think he did anything. that's a problem hee— think he did anything. that's a problem too. he— think he did anything. that's a problem too. he shouldn't eeeheghee. — problem too. he shouldn't eeeheghee. hh— problem too. he shouldn't apologise. �*7 “g problem too. he shouldn't apologise. “g apologise. if anything, he should should be should be, he should be promoted. allegations promoted. but to the allegations brought as brought forward were shown as having some sort of legitimacy , having some sort of legitimacy, so he should apologise for those they have a final word. well, i think ridiculous that that think it's ridiculous that that civil aren't civil servants who aren't elected who they get elected can decide who they get to be ruled by people elected dominic raab tell the civil dominic raab to tell the civil service what to enact service what to do to enact those policies so the civil service and choose service can't pick and choose what they do. got a woke what they do. we've got a woke activist blob running the country and there's nothing we can do really. and he's going to be can do really. and he's going to he h— can do really. and he's going to he h hhhhh— can do really. and he's going to be i think he's— can do really. and he's going to be i think he's going— £3“ h:hi ”cap and he's going to be i think he's going to be eeeehheh— be i think he's going to be recalled-own- recalled by his own constituency. i think his eehhhheeh— constituency. i think his- political—well, political career is over. well, he— political career is over. well, this—healthy- political career is over. well,- this_healthy debate, this has been a healthy debate, but this has been a healthy debate, heh-hh— this has been a healthy debate, heh-ehh eee— this has been a healthy debate, but-all we've got- this has been a healthy debate, but all we've got time but that's all we've got time for but that's all we've got time her hh— but that's all we've got time her he he— but that's all we've got time for in this section. £hih“ “g for in this section. but coming up on speech i'm

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welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle, a rapper and stand up comedian has had some of the dates on his toun had some of the dates on his tour, cancelled after he said that men can't get pregnant. no one who posts videos on c no one who posts videos on tiktok ehh— one who posts videos on tiktok ehh heheheh— one who posts videos on tiktok and instagram to— one who posts videos on tiktok and instagram to almost a hhhhheh— and instagram to almost a million followers was accused of heehehhehhe— million followers was accused of transphobia after— million followers was accused of transphobia after making the remarks. he'll— transphobia after making the remarks. he'll tell us more in a hemehh— remarks. he'll tell us more in a hehehh heh— remarks. he'll tell us more in a moment. but first,— remarks. he'll tell us more in a moment. but first, let's take a heeh— moment. but first, let's take a heeh eh— moment. but first, let's take a heeh eh heee— moment. but first, let's take a look at noon in— moment. but first, let's take a look at noon in action. let's get— look at noon in action. let's heh hhhe— look at noon in action. let's geh he he— look at noon in action. let's get into the fight now. hhehyhehy— get into the fight now. everybody mad- get into the fight now. everybody mad that. get into the fight now. everybody mad that i'm sitting in my back now. you mad are still in a house with the still living in a house with the windows and windows all smashed out. and you should that should already know that my manoeuvres planned out when manoeuvres are planned out when i room, stand up and manoeuvres are planned out when i move room, stand up and manoeuvres are planned out when i move to m, stand up and manoeuvres are planned out when i move to m, ssatd up and manoeuvres are planned out when i move to m, ssat down. nd manoeuvres are planned out when i move to m, ssat down. i don't move to the sat down. wait, that sound? don't move to the sat down. i wait,-that sound? sounds wait, what's that sound? sounds like wait, what's that sound? sounds hhhe-eh— wait, what's that sound? sounds hhhe-eh hehey— wait, what's that sound? sounds like-of money in- wait, what's that sound? sounds like of money in my bank like a lot of money in my bank hee. — like a lot of money in my bank hey. hey— like a lot of money in my bank heee. hey hey— like a lot of money in my bank now. every day i'm- like a lot of money in my bank now. h:3ph 9i.. “9 now. every day i'm getting packed now, so give myself a pat on now pose for a pic on the back. now pose for a pic ehh— on the back. now pose for a pic ehhh-hee. — on the back. now pose for a pic with-now. think- on the back. now pose for a pic with now. think might book with a fan now. think might book a japan. a spontaneous trip to japan. now. real name rory williams now. no real name rory williams joins me now. good evening . of joins me now. good evening. of course no you do you're more comedian than rapper these days, aren't do of aren't you? yeah you do both of those yeah. and so what

those things. yeah. and so what was was mostly was the tour? was it mostly a comedy tour that you were doing? stand up comedy tour? yeah. and hey— stand up comedy tour? yeah. and hey many— stand up comedy tour? yeah. and hey many-heee— stand up comedy tour? yeah. and how many-have pulled- how many venues have pulled the seven yeah seven pulled out? seven? yeah so i think for the viewers benefit, perhaps would benefit, perhaps it would help if understood was if we understood what it was that you said and who, who you if we understood what it was that ithu said and who, who you if we understood what it was that it to said and who, who you if we understood what it was that it to and and who, who you if we understood what it was that it to and whywho, who you if we understood what it was that it to and why itio, who you if we understood what it was that it to and why it caused you said it to and why it caused such offence. okay. so basically —eehee he hy- , obviously it comes to my ehhehhheh— , obviously it comes to my attention there— , obviously it comes to my attention there was lot of, attention there was a lot of, hhh— attention there was a lot of, um, i'll-them- attention there was a lot of, um, i'll them trans um, i'll call them trans extremists,— um, i'll call them trans extremists, you know , i've seen extremists, you know, i've seen vhheee— extremists, you know, i've seen vhheeelheh— extremists, you know, i've seen videos men marketing women, videos of men marketing women, eehhhehy— videos of men marketing women, eehhhehy heeehe— videos of men marketing women, sanitary towels and _ videos of men marketing women, sanitary towels and women's bras and sanitary towels and women's bras ehh h— sanitary towels and women's bras ehh h eehh— sanitary towels and women's bras ehh h eehh hhhe— sanitary towels and women's bras and i went into primark and i hehe— and i went into primark and i hehe e— and i went into primark and i hehe e vhhee— and i went into primark and i made a video trying on maternity . hhh— made a video trying on maternity wear . and somebody commented on wear. and somebody commented on the wear. and somebody commented on hhe vhhee— wear. and somebody commented on hhe vhhee ehh— wear. and somebody commented on the video and said,— wear. and somebody commented on the video and said, oh, i find hhhe— the video and said, oh, i find this offensive. _ the video and said, oh, i find this offensive. i'm a pregnant . hhh— this offensive. i'm a pregnant . hhh h— this offensive. i'm a pregnant . hhh h eey— this offensive. i'm a pregnant man . and i say, well, men can't man. and i say, well, men can't get— man. and i say, well, men can't geh eeeghehh— man. and i say, well, men can't geh eeeghehh .— man. and i say, well, men can't get pregnant . right? and then get pregnant. right? and then and get pregnant. right? and then ehh hheh-e— get pregnant. right? and then and that's the _ get pregnant. right? and then and that's the key phrase, men eee-h— and that's the key phrase, men eeh-h heh— and that's the key phrase, men can't get pregnant, can't get eeeghehh. — can't get pregnant, can't get pregnant. 53£ hi“ �*7 £ can't get pregnant, can't get pregnant. 53£ hi“. �*7 £ £ can't get pregnant, can't get pregnant. 53£ hi“. £ £ “413? “ pregnant. scientific facts. yeah can get you in trouble. but of course, you know, we've seen people like dylan mulvaney. you know, biological, male advertising sportswear. advertising, women's sportswear. well, was what that was. well, that was what that was. that that was what that was the that was what started it. and a lot of people hen-h— started it. and a lot of people heh-h ehhy— : . and a lot of people don't really understand why thati

eeheh—heh. women find that offensive. but, of women find that offensive. but, eh-hh-e— women find that offensive. but, eh-hh-e-eh— of course, it's kind of offensive, isn't it? of course, it's-infringement- offensive, isn't it? of course, it's-infringement on - . .7 of course, it's infringement on women, it's an infringement on women, ehheee— it's an infringement on women, spices, women's rights. \hihhh spices, women's rights. now, i eheehh— spices, women's rights. now, i eheehh-hheh.— spices, women's rights. now, i should that, know , you should say that, you know, you were accused of transphobia , the were accused of transphobia, the hate, the pink news said that you were harassed wing people on instagram because you'd use this phrase more than once. you'd use the phrase men can't get pregnant. what do you say pregnant. yeah. what do you say when that you've been when people say that you've been harassing you harassing people? how do you respond that ? well, harassing people? how do you respond that? well, i've respond to that? well, i've asked everybody.- respond to that? well, i've asked everybody. i- : .“3.7 well, i've asked everybody. i just spoke tech.— asked everybody. i just spoke heehlheeh— asked everybody. i just spoke fact.imean, is— asked everybody. i just spoke fact.imean, islis- asked everybody. i just spoke fact. mean, is is it fact. i mean, is it is it harassment- fact. i mean, is it is it harassment to speak fact? well, eehe-eeehh— harassment to speak fact? well, some _would say-itl harassment to speak fact? well,i some _would say-it is some people would say that it is eeehehhhy— some people would say that it is eeehehhhy heh— some people would say that it is eeehehhhy heh hh— some people would say that it is apparently not in my world. no, no apparently not in my world. no, he . he— apparently not in my world. no, he . he yee— apparently not in my world. no, he . he yee ah— apparently not in my world. no, no. do you get concerned because you've also had attitude magazine , people going after you magazine, people going after you now attitude magazine said that they that probably they felt that you've probably suffered internalised suffered from internalised hatred. . yeah, i hatred. i've really. yeah, i hate that. i— hatred. i've really. yeah, i hate that. i mean,- : ”hih3.p yeah,i hate that. i mean, for : ”hih3.p yeah, i hate that. i mean, for me, look, when— hate that. i mean, for me, look, when h— hate that. i mean, for me, look, when h hhhhh— hate that. i mean, for me, look, when i think about— hate that. i mean, for me, look, when i think about it, when eeeehe— when i think about it, when eeeehe ceme— when i think about it, when people come at— when i think about it, when people come at me and say those hhhhe— people come at me and say those hhhhe eh— people come at me and say those kinds of things,— people come at me and say those kinds of things, i— people come at me and say those kinds of things, i think, well, hee— kinds of things, i think, well, heee-h- kinds of things, i think, well, how-can have- kinds of things, i think, well, how can have your how come you can have your ehhhheh— how come you can have your ehhhheh-eeh-h— how come you can have your opinion, can't have my opinion, but i can't have my eehhhehe— opinion, but i can't have my opinion? that's— opinion, but i can't have my opinion? that's just my opinion. it opinion? that's just my opinion. hh-heeh— opinion? that's just my opinion. it-mean-there's- it doesn't mean that there's ehyhhhhe— it doesn't mean that there's ehyhhhhe eheeh— it doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with me inside. hheh-e— anything wrong with me inside. we the— anything wrong with me inside. that's just how— anything wrong with me inside. that's just how i— anything wrong with me inside. that's just how i see world.

that's just how i see the world. hm — that's just how i see the world. h-m —hh- i'm actually very happy in myeehh — i'm actually very happy in myself. confident myself. i'm very confident in myeehh —h- myself. i'm very confident in myself. _i feel- myself. that's why i feel like i can express opinions. and can express my opinions. and i heeh— can express my opinions. and i heeh-h— can express my opinions. and i heeh-h eey— can express my opinions. and i feel i say statements feel like when i say statements he— feel like when i say statements he hhh— feel like when i say statements like that that— feel like when i say statements like that that really they're eeh— like that that really they're eeh eh— like that that really they're sort of deflecting. yeah back eme— sort of deflecting. yeah back ehhe yee. — sort of deflecting. yeah back onto you. imean,- sort of deflecting. yeah back onto you. mean, that onto you. i mean, that eehheehee— onto you. i mean, that particular statement from hhhhhehe— particular statement from attitude - also . particular statement from - attitude - also suggested attitude magazine also suggested that—equivalent- that you were the equivalent to vhehhmhe— that you were the equivalent to vladimir putin— that you were the equivalent to vladimir putin or— that you were the equivalent to vladimir putin or it was very exeemeh— vladimir putin or it was very extreme saying— vladimir putin or it was very extreme saying that you're hhehhhhh— extreme saying that you're inciting violence. so let's just clarify. accused you of clarify. they accused you of calling trans people mentally ill . pinknews accused you ill. pinknews accused you of saying people are saying that trans people are a freak but you were very freak show, but you were very specifically about the specifically talking about the minority of extremist activists, not trans people as a whole and trans people as a whole. at all. no, just the extremists. - at all. no, just the extremists. and i heeh— no, just the extremists. and i heeh-hhe— no, just the extremists. and i feel the extremists feel like it's the extremists hhh— feel like it's the extremists that-loudest- feel like it's the extremists that loudest voice feel like it's the extremists. that-loudest voice , that have the loudest voice, especially— that have the loudest voice, especially in— that have the loudest voice, especially in the— that have the loudest voice, especially in the media and on social— especially in the media and on social media.— especially in the media and on social media. you— especially in the media and on social media. you know, these the— social media. you know, these the kind— social media. you know, these are the kind of— social media. you know, these are the kind of clips that we're seeing— are the kind of clips that we're seeing coming— are the kind of clips that we're seeing coming from extremist are the kind of clips that we're seein peoplelg from extremist are the kind of clips that we're seein people . from extremist are the kind of clips that we're seein people . they'rextremist are the kind of clips that we're seein people . they're notnist are the kind of clips that we're seein people . they're not ast are the kind of clips that we're seein people . they're not a real trans people. they're not a real representation— trans people. they're not a real representation even of the trans community.— representation even of the trans community. eee— representation even of the trans community. but unfortunately, they— community. but unfortunately, they have— community. but unfortunately, they have the— community. but unfortunately, they have the loudest voice heeeuee— they have the loudest voice because a lot— they have the loudest voice because a lot of— they have the loudest voice because a lot of people are so scared— because a lot of people are so stated to— because a lot of people are so scared to speak— because a lot of people are so scared to speak out about them. het— scared to speak out about them. and a— scared to speak out about them. and a tet— scared to speak out about them. and a tet et— scared to speak out about them. and a lot of people will say, hut— and a lot of people will say, hut wett— and a lot of people will say, but waitlminute,- and a lot of people will say, but wait minute, is the but wait a minute, this is the tehtoth— but wait a minute, this is the lgbtqia plus— but wait a minute, this is the lgbtqia plus community xyz , x,

lgbtqia plus community xyz, x, y, lgbtqia plus community xyz, x, y, z. — lgbtqia plus community xyz, x, h z. .— lgbtqia plus community xyz, x, t, z. t ptehehty— lgbtqia plus community xyz, x, y, z. i probably missed- lgbtqia plus community xyz, x, y, z. i probably missed a couple of letters. that's a hate crime. yeah but you're part of that community and that's why they're saying this is internalised hatred. why you think there's hatred. why do you think there's a problem here? you a problem here? because you did do you said that do a video where you said that you were sick of the word community. can you explain what you that? yeah, i think you mean by that? yeah, i think for you mean by that? yeah, i think tet he— you mean by that? yeah, i think tot when— you mean by that? yeah, i think for me, when i'm— $3.7 yeah, i think for me, when i'm looking at ttehegehtet— for me, when i'm looking at transgender at transgender and i'm looking at tet— transgender and i'm looking at teh-theyhe— transgender and i'm looking at lgb _they're-muchl lgb and t, they're very much tttteteht— lgb and t, they're very much different things. _ lgb and t, they're very much different things. you know, one aspect— different things. you know, one eeheet te— different things. you know, one aspect is sexual— different things. you know, one aspect is sexual orientation and the ether— aspect is sexual orientation and the other he— aspect is sexual orientation and the other he a— aspect is sexual orientation and the other is a gender dysphoria thet— the other is a gender dysphoria thet .— the other is a gender dysphoria thet . ten-t— the other is a gender dysphoria that i don't see— the other is a gender dysphoria that i don't see how they can be thet— that i don't see how they can be ttet enter— that i don't see how they can be tied under the— that i don't see how they can be tied under the same umbrella . us tied under the same umbrella. us teeth-t— tied under the same umbrella. us teeeh-t hete— tied under the same umbrella. us doesn't make sense— tied under the same umbrella. us doesn't make sense to me because they-te— doesn't make sense to me because theyhe het— doesn't make sense to me because theyhe hot the— doesn't make sense to me because they're not the same— doesn't make sense to me because they're not the same how they're not the same thing. how wette— they're not the same thing. how weutt yee— they're not the same thing. how weutt yee teet— they're not the same thing. how would you feel if— they're not the same thing. how would you feel if some of the eethtete— would you feel if some of the activists said— would you feel if some of the activists said want to activists said we'd want to convert— activists said we'd want to convert-with - activists said we'd want to convert with you activists said we'd want to- convert-with you about convert session with you about it convert session with you about tt—tteeueeteh- it and have a discussion rather then— it and have a discussion rather then-yeu-ve-teti it and have a discussion rather. than _you've-lot of than because you've had a lot of these— than because you've had a lot of eheeele— than because you've had a lot of abuse-a backlash— than because you've had a lot of abuse-a backlash to- than because you've had a lot of abuse a backlash to this? abuse as a backlash to this? has— abuse as a backlash to this? has that— abuse as a backlash to this? has that surprised _ abuse as a backlash to this? has that surprised you,- abuse as a backlash to this? has that surprised you, that sort approach ? well, not sort of approach? well, not really, sort of approach? well, not teeny-meth- f7 well, not really, mean, because really, no. i mean, because i sette— really, no. i mean, because i spoke ent— really, no. i mean, because i ehete eht .— really, no. i mean, because i spoke and i said— really, no. i mean, because i spoke and i said that men can't get pregnant. — spoke and i said that men can't get pregnant. _t- spoke and i said that men can't get pregnant. a fact. get pregnant. that was a fact. no get pregnant. that was a fact. he he— get pregnant. that was a fact. he hee— get pregnant. that was a fact. no one has came— get pregnant. that was a fact. no one has came back at me with a no one has came back at me with eteet. — no one has came back at me with eteet. they-ve— no one has came back at me with a fact. they've just— no one has came back at me with a fact. they've just came with eheeh— a fact. they've just came with these-eth— a fact. they've just came with abuse. still haven't abuse. so you still haven't teehehtet— abuse. so you still haven't responded that responded to the statement that i responded to the statement that t-whteh— responded to the statement that t-whteh te— responded to the statement that i-which is that- responded to the statement that i which is that men can't i made, which is that men can't get pregnant? — i made, which is that men can't

get pregnant? .so- i made, which is that men can't get pregnant? g get pregnant? no. so it's as though they. they've though that's all they. they've just deflected by— g they've just deflected by abusing me. yeah— just deflected by abusing me. yeah het— just deflected by abusing me. yeah hht ht— just deflected by abusing me. yeah and it doesn't bother me because,-you're- because, you know, you're ehttttet — because, you know, you're entitled opinion . i'm entitled to your opinion. i'm ehttttet— entitled to your opinion. i'm entitled-but- entitled to your opinion. i'm entitled-but it's. entitled to mine. but it's ehvteuety— entitled to mine. but it's obviously very- entitled to mine. but it's obviously very clear i'm not ehttttet— obviously very clear i'm not ehttttet te— obviously very clear i'm not entitled to mine.- obviously very clear i'm not entitled to mine. you can entitled to mine. but you can eth— entitled to mine. but you can etttt-yeute. — entitled to mine. but you can still-yours. and- entitled to mine. but you can still yours. t: entitled to mine. but you can still yours. ' t: still have yours. and some of the abuse been quite racist the abuse has been quite racist . so, you know , is . yeah. and so, you know, is there there's clearly a double there a there's clearly a double standard going here. standard going on here. definitely. so what definitely. you know, so what will do now in terms the will you do now in terms of the tour? say a few tour? because you say a few venues said, no, we're not venues have said, no, we're not doing it. can you explain to us why think would why you think they would do that? because you're that? because surely you're selling tickets for them. you're making money for them. why would they suddenly well, we they suddenly say, well, we won't have you on then? so i knew i knew that some- who" g o“ g�*hi“7 so i knew i knew that some of w“ g o“ so�*7 so i knew i knew that some of the exttehtete— knew i knew that some of the extremists had _ knew i knew that some of the extremists had contacted the venues already— extremists had contacted the venues already .— extremists had contacted the venues already . so extremists had contacted the venues already. so i emailed all the venues— venues already. so i emailed all the venues and— venues already. so i emailed all the venues and gave them a heads up. .— the venues and gave them a heads up. . sett— the venues and gave them a heads up. . eett te— the venues and gave them a heads up. i said to them,— the venues and gave them a heads up. i said to them, i'll give you— up. i said to them, i'll give you tttt— up. i said to them, i'll give you till 5:00— up. i said to them, i'll give you till 5:00 tomorrow and if i ten-t— you till 5:00 tomorrow and if i teh-t heee— you till 5:00 tomorrow and if i don't hear from _ you till 5:00 tomorrow and if i don't hear from you, then i geeuhe— don't hear from you, then i presume-you're- don't hear from you, then i- presume .you're-going presume that you're still going eheeh— presume that you're still going eheetlyeu— presume that you're still going eheetlyeu-te- presume that you're still going ahead. you to pull out, ahead. if you wish to pull out, emet— ahead. if you wish to pull out, ehett-hht— ahead. if you wish to pull out, email-and then- ahead. if you wish to pull out, email and then when woke email me. and then when i woke up email me. and then when i woke up-momingt_ email me. and then when i woke up - morning, seven - email me. and then when i woke up morning, seven of up the next morning, seven of them — up the next morning, seven of| them _thth up the next morning, seven of. them _thth he them had just pulled out with no exptemttem— them had just pulled out with no explanation-then— them had just pulled out with no explanation. then obviously explanation. and then obviously whet— explanation. and then obviously whet-me— explanation. and then obviously whetlme how— explanation. and then obviously what me now, there's other what for me now, there's other mttete—

what for me now, there's other mttete thet— what for me now, there's other artists that are _ what for me now, there's other artists that are touring at these— artists that are touring at those venues— artists that are touring at those venues that share the same tewe— those venues that share the same views as me that— those venues that share the same views as me that have been just as vocat— views as me that have been just as veeet , hut— views as me that have been just as vocal, but their— views as me that have been just as vocal, but their tours haven-t— as vocal, but their tours haven't been- as vocal, but their tours haven't been cancelled , but more haven't been cancelled, but more tome— haven't been cancelled, but more teem have.— haven't been cancelled, but more tours have. that's— haven't been cancelled, but more tours have. that's what i can't i tours have. that's what i can't . eee-t— tours have. that's what i can't . eeh-t teetty— tours have. that's what i can't i can't really grasp what that's about — i can't really grasp what that's about so— i can't really grasp what that's about so why— i can't really grasp what that's about. so why would that be? is it about. so why would that be? is tt heetme— about. so why would that be? is it because the— about. so why would that be? is it because the activists- about. so why would that be? is it because the activists have made more of a noise it made more of a noise when it comes to you? i'm guessing so, yeah.— comes to you? i'm guessing so, yeah. hut— comes to you? i'm guessing so, yeah. hut .— comes to you? i'm guessing so, yeah. hut . meth— f 7 i'm guessing so, yeah. but i mean, there's a real heee— yeah. but i mean, there's a real et— yeah. but i mean, there's a real issue of freedom _ yeah. but i mean, there's a real issue of freedom of— yeah. but i mean, there's a real issue of freedom of speech here, ten-t— issue of freedom of speech here, tent—t- issue of freedom of speech here, teh-t—t heml isn't there? you know, i mean, you artist, as creative, you as an artist, as a creative, should able express should be able to express yourself that yourself in whatever way that yourself in whatever way that you yet the people who you want. and yet the people who run the venues are saying no. i mean, do you think this is this is problem getting is a problem that's getting worse more generally? worse in society more generally? yeah, i mean, it's yeah, absolutely. i mean, it's cancel yeah, absolutely. i mean, it's. emeet—heehte cancel culture. you know, people have—ety— cancel culture. you know, people have say something have an opinion say something thet— have an opinion say something that-ettgh— have an opinion say something that-align-what. have an opinion say somethingi that-align-what the that doesn't align with what the mhehty— that doesn't align with what the minority—usually. minority because it's usually the—heehte- minority because it's usually- the—people-have the minority of people that have the minority of people that have the—whe- the minority of people that have the—who ety- the loudest voice who say eemethhg— something that doesn't align and:— something that doesn't align. and,-career cancelled and, you know, career cancelled showe— and, you know, career cancelled shows—yee- and, you know, career cancelled shows—yee thew,- and, you know, career cancelled shows you know, don't shows cancelled, you know, don't want— shows cancelled, you know, don't went to— shows cancelled, you know, don't want te-yeh— shows cancelled, you know, don't want to-you again.- shows cancelled, you know, don't want to you again. but i've want to see you again. but i've never-cared about- want to see you again. but i've never cared about that. never really cared about that. the— never really cared about that. the-heee— never really cared about that. i've-been-vocall never really cared about that. i've-been-vocal .l never really cared about that. i've-been-vocal . in i've always been very vocal. in my—ehehget my opinion, nothing's changed for my opinion, nothing's changed g..— my opinion, nothing's changed heel ghett— my opinion, nothing's changed for-, apart from _ my opinion, nothing's changed for , apart from the fact that for me, apart from the fact that the— for me, apart from the fact that i've-now, obviously- i've had to now, obviously rearrange my tour. that's the ehhy— rearrange my tour. that's the thy—.- rearrange my tour. that's the ehty—. hut- rearrange my tour. that's the ehty—. hut ttt| only inconvenience. but i'll eth— only inconvenience. but i'll etttt have— only inconvenience. but i'll still have my— only inconvenience. but i'll still have my platforms and i eth— still have my platforms and i etttt—ehtl still have my platforms and i. etttt—eht t-m

still have my audience and i'm eth— still have my audience and i'm ettttlmee— still have my audience and i'm still-free express— still have my audience and i'm still free express myself. still to free express myself. hhh— still to free express myself. amt et— still to free express myself. and of course,— still to free express myself. and of course, your- still to free express myself. and of course, your audience, what they find so appealing about you that very about you is that you're very plain you if you plain spoken. you know, if you watch videos, you don't watch your videos, you don't hold all. hold back, you know, at all. it's you have no it's almost like you have no censorship filter. you don't have no filter, that's have that. no filter, that's all. no. great. that's all. no. which is great. that's that's that's the whole appeal. so you're on tiktok and so you're mostly on tiktok and instagram, that right? yeah. instagram, is that right? yeah. yeah. thing? yeah. and what sort of thing? just who don't just for the people who don't know what sort of thing do you do those? i do know what sort of thing do you do those? ido lots know what sort of thing do you do those? i do lots of do on those? i do lots of tttteteht— do on those? i do lots of different things. - t:o o“ 7 i do lots of different things. very t:o o“ 7 i do lots of differint things. very t:o o“ 7 i do lots of differin the ngs. very t:o o“ 7 i do lots of differin the moment,'ery t:o o“ 7 i do lots of differin the moment, you know, light in the moment, you know, i ten-t— light in the moment, you know, i teh-t ethy— light in the moment, you know, i teh-t teeny-e— light in the moment, you know, i don't really-a plan- light in the moment, you know, i don't really a plan or don't really have a plan or metmee— don't really have a plan or sometimesisee- don't really have a plan or- sometimesisee-article sometimes i see a news article mt— sometimes i see a news article mt .— sometimes i see a news article mt . thhh— sometimes i see a news article and i think, well,— sometimes i see a news article and i think, well, i'm going to mate— and i think, well, i'm going to mate e— and i think, well, i'm going to mate a vttee— and i think, well, i'm going to make a video about that today. semettmee— make a video about that today. sometimes _thel make a video about that today. i sometimes—the shop make a video about that today. i sommakes_the shop make a video about that today. i sommake a_the shop make a video about that today. sommake a video the shop make a video about that today. sommake a video about the shop) and make a video about the shop or gehg— and make a video about the shop or going-primark. _ and make a video about the shop or going primark. yeah or going in primark. yeah metmee— or going in primark. yeah sometimes make or going in primark. yeah- sometimes-make videos sometimes i might make videos ghett— about whatever's on my mind. teth— about whatever's on my mind. yeah—yee- about whatever's on my mind.| yeah—yhu-yeut yeah yeah. do you think your behaviour will off the behaviour will change off the back like what these back of this? like what these activists have activists have done? have they got at all? no, really? got to you at all? no, really? not at all. at no. not at all. not at all. no. because people that because so many people that i have show who have been have on this show who have been dogpiled online and kind of dogpiled online and that kind of thing, they say it hasn't faze me at all. it not fazed me. me at all. it has not fazed me. all me at all. it has not fazed me. at my— me at all. it has not fazed me. at my theme— me at all. it has not fazed me. all my friends have— it has not fazed me. all my friends have been phoning me. are you sure you're okay? the—

me. are you sure you're okay? ate-yeee- me. are you sure you're okay? are-you're okay?- me. are you sure you're okay? are you're okay? i'm are you sure you're okay? i'm the,— are you sure you're okay? i'm the—yehi like, yeah, i'm fine. like, you they,— like, yeah, i'm fine. like, you teeth-t— like, yeah, i'm fine. like, you teeth-t em— like, yeah, i'm fine. like, you know,-i can see- like, yeah, i'm fine. like, you know, i can see why they know, but i can see why they thmt— know, but i can see why they thht thet— know, but i can see why they think that because at think that because you look at all think that because you look at ett—teet- think that because you look at ett—teet etl think that because you look at all—look at all all that abuse, you look at all thet— all that abuse, you look at all that-t— all that abuse, you look at all that-t thht- all that abuse, you look at all that-i think that. all that abuse, you look at all that i think that it that backlash. i think that it youth.— that backlash. i think that it we hut— that backlash. i think that it we hut .— that backlash. i think that it would. but i very much stand by my statement — would. but i very much stand by my statement. men can't get pregnant.— my statement. men can't get pregnant. hm,— my statement. men can't get pregnant. um, also me, pregnant. um, and also for me, toot,— pregnant. um, and also for me, teeh-ee— pregnant. um, and also for me, teeh-ee ee— pregnant. um, and also for me, teeh-ee he a— pregnant. um, and also for me, look,-as as a if- pregnant. um, and also for me, look, as as a if you're look, i think as as a if you're a woman and you- look, i think as as a if you're a woman and you want to ttehettteh— a woman and you want to transition to— a woman and you want to transition to a— a woman and you want to transition to a man, that's fine . hm,— transition to a man, that's fine . hm, yee— transition to a man, that's fine . hm, you they,— transition to a man, that's fine . um, you know, but if you ethy— . um, you know, but if you really transition- . um, you know, but if you really transition from a woman to really transition from a woman telmeh— really transition from a woman telmeh mt— really transition from a woman telmeh mt yee— really transition from a woman to man and you still keep your to a man and you still keep your wemh— to a man and you still keep your wemh-yeh— to a man and you still keep your wemh-yeh eee-t— to a man and you still keep your womb, you can't really be womb, then you can't really be a mhmeh- ten-t- womb, then you can't really be a man men don't have wombs man because men don't have wombs . lwhet— man because men don't have wombs . lwhetyeu-te— man because men don't have wombs . .what you're suggesting- man because men don't have wombs . .what you're suggesting is- . so what you're suggesting is that facts that to state scientific facts shouldn't cancelable shouldn't be a cancelable offence. and i think your offence. no. and i think your approach of saying of not doing what a lot of people do, which is they issue an apology, i'm not doing the apology, the influence of apology on. sorry. no, i'm not apologising.- influence of apology on. sorry. no, i'm not apologising. i- f gag o“ sorry. no, i'm not apologising. i don't . tt-e— no, i'm not apologising. i don't care . it's caused— no, i'm not apologising. i don't care . it's caused me care. it's caused me inconvenience by speaking my mhh— inconvenience by speaking my mht. hut— inconvenience by speaking my mht. hut hm— inconvenience by speaking my mind. but um, most of my tour is hect— mind. but um, most of my tour is back reinstated— mind. but um, most of my tour is back reinstated now.— mind. but um, most of my tour is back reinstated now. i'm going to announce it— back reinstated now. i'm going to announce it next week, so he— to announce it next week, so he a— to announce it next week, so he a ttttte— to announce it next week, so it's a little inconvenience, but it's a little inconvenience, but tt hem-t— it's a little inconvenience, but it hasn't really— it's a little inconvenience, but it hasn't really caused me any harm. — it hasn't really caused me any harm. hhh— it hasn't really caused me any harm. and actually,- it hasn't really caused me any harm. t: f harm. and actually, that's a really example set really good example to set because i see someone because every time i see someone make that apology, you know, when get scared because of

when they get scared because of the dogpiling, it it the dogpiling, it makes it worse. like people get more of an you. an appetite to go after you. yeah, sorry. well, yeah, i'm not sorry. well, that's brilliant message. that's a brilliant message. before go, you just tell before we go, can you just tell people where can they find information and information about your tour and where see you? so my where can they see you? so my instagram,-tiktok,- where can they see you? so my| instagram,-tiktok,-going where can they see you? so my| inrbejram,-tiktok,-going to?" 7 so my inrbe announcinngok, going tit?" 7 so my inrbe announcing ithk, going tit?" 7 so my inrbe announcing it properly, ing to be announcing it properly, omtetetty— to be announcing it properly, officially on— to be announcing it properly, officially on sale friday. yeah hhh— officially on sale friday. yeah amt hh— officially on sale friday. yeah and it's known— officially on sale friday. yeah and it's known that's- officially on sale friday. yeah and it's known that's how- and it's known that's how they've known on instagram and one. yeah well that's fantastic. rory williams, thanks so much for joining me. thank you for having thank you having me. thank you. thank you . so coming up on free speech hetteh— . so coming up on free speech nation, professor— so coming up on free speech nation, professor joe phoenix wit— nation, professor joe phoenix wttt he— nation, professor joe phoenix wttt he hete— nation, professorjoe phoenix will be here to— nation, professorjoe phoenix will be here to discuss a report for will be here to discuss a report he the— will be here to discuss a report for the women's— will be here to discuss a report for the women's rights network, whteh— for the women's rights network, which outlines— for the women's rights network, which outlines the— for the women's rights network, which outlines the shocking extent— which outlines the shocking exteht et— which outlines the shocking extent of sexual— which outlines the shocking extent of sexual assaults in our heehttete. — extent of sexual assaults in our heehttete. he— extent of sexual assaults in our hospitals. do not— extent of sexual assaults in our hospitals. do not go- extent of sexual assaults in our hospitals. to go

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speech nation, i'm going to be turning agony uncle with the help of my wonderful panel, scott capurro and leo kearse. we're going help deal we're going to help you deal with dilemmas. with your unfiltered dilemmas. so if you're sitting at home worrying about kind of worrying about any kind of problem, just ask me. email me at gb views at gb news, .uk. and we will do our to best answer your issues. now now, a new report by the women's rights network has revealed the truly shocking numbers of rapes and sexual assaults which are happening in our hospital bars, where would surely expect where you would surely expect people safe. according people to feel safe. according to report, more than 6500 to the report, more than 6500 rapes and sexual assaults, some against children under 13, have been committed in hospitals in england and wales over nearly four years. only 265 people. that's a mere 4.1% are known to have been charged for these offences. professor jo phoenix , offences. professorjo phoenix, author of the report and she joins me now to discuss it. author of the report and she joins me now to discuss it . jo, joins me now to discuss it. jo, thanks so much forjoining us today. perhaps if you could talk us through what is the most significant and shocking element of this report. just the sheer scale of it, the sheer scale. i

think one of the strange- l i think one of the strange things ghett— think one of the strange things eheht thte— think one of the strange things about this is— think one of the strange things about this is it's— think one of the strange things about this is it's not the first ttme— about this is it's not the first ttme thte— about this is it's not the first time this sort— about this is it's not the first time this sort of— about this is it's not the first time this sort of stuff has been reported. — time this sort of stuff has been reported. _thingsl time this sort of stuff has been. reported. _things that reported. there were things that were of were reported in november of last year and then previously about two years ago. lancashire one of the lancashire newspapers, also reported , did newspapers, also reported, did this, but nobody seemed to pay attention. one of the different things about this report, however, is it comes off the back of the freedom of information requests that we made to 43 police forces . as it made to 43 police forces. as it happens, only 35 responded. right. so northern ireland didn't respond . scotland didn't didn't respond. scotland didn't respond . is that legal, though? respond. is that legal, though? are they not meant to with tteetem — are they not meant to with tteetem et— are they not meant to with freedom of information requests? yes freedom of information requests? hee — freedom of information requests? hee tegtt— freedom of information requests? hee tegtt mt— freedom of information requests? yes legal not to— freedom of information requests? yes q l yes legal not to respond. it is legal, not to respond. it is legal, not to respond. it is legal not respond. so the two legal not to respond. so the two responses can be we don't hold the so we can't give to the data, so we can't give it to you. to get that data, which you. or to get that data, which would be prohibitively costly. i see. yeah, but you wanted to thet— see. yeah, but you wanted to ted the— see. yeah, but you wanted to find this data— yeah, but you wanted to find this data because you were thet— find this data because you were aware that this— find this data because you were aware that this kind of information— aware that this kind of information has not been out theret— information has not been out

thetee-we-ve— information has not been out there?-we've just- information has not been out there? we've just had no way there? no, we've just had no way to ghmttty— there? no, we've just had no way to ghmttty the— there? no, we've just had no way to quantify the extent of the htehtem. — to quantify the extent of the l htehtem. —se to quantify the extent of the - problem. _so the problem. no, none at all. so the crime survey for england and wales asks victims where rapes take place and one of those categories is somewhere else, either in a perpetrator's home or, you know, a victim's home. and a whole series of others. but that's somewhere else. category accounts for around 19% of rapes reported to the crime survey of england and wales. that's somewhere else isn't broken down yet . we know that broken down yet. we know that there's sexual violence that takes place in hospitals. so this was an attempt to, if you like, get under the bonnet of that and find out what is the shape size of the problem. shape and size of the problem. now, i find it quite odd, just as a criminologist of 26 years now , i find it quite odd that now, i find it quite odd that the police police don't have a marker for on any of the data that they collect. that would indicate hospitals because as we said in that report, hospitals aren't somewhere else. hospitals aren't somewhere else. hospitals are a very specific environment

where there's often intimate care of one variety or another . care of one variety or another. and it's also where we are often in as the report title is , are in as the report title is, are most vulnerable. well, quite so for predatory opportunists. it's the place, you know, ehvtehety— it's the place, you know, obviously that's there's an ephemhmty— obviously that's there's an opportunity there. but also this teeettet— opportunity there. but also this was recorded or— opportunity there. but also this was recorded or the information that— was recorded or the information that you— was recorded or the information that you hunt— was recorded or the information that you found was from the teeth— that you found was from the hehet et— that you found was from the period of the— that you found was from the period of the pandemic. right there-e— period of the pandemic. right now, there's issues with that. i mean, you mentioned your mean, you mentioned in your etttete— mean, you mentioned in your etttete tet— mean, you mentioned in your article for the— mean, you mentioned in your article for the that, article for the mail that, you thew,— know, of course, people are weehhg— know, of course, people are timing-.— know, of course, people are wearing-. that's- know, of course, people are. wearing-. that'slgood know, of course, people are- wearing-. that'slgood way wearing masks. that's a good way to htte— wearing masks. that's a good way to htte yout— wearing masks. that's a good way to hide your identity. yes but at to hide your identity. yes but et-eeme— to hide your identity. yes but at-same time,— to hide your identity. yes but at same time, you would at the same time, you would expect— at the same time, you would. expect—there expect during a pandemic there to expect during a pandemic there te—eeehhty- expect during a pandemic there te—eeehhty hl expect during a pandemic therei to-security in the to be heightened security in the heehttete. — to be heightened security in the hospitals. -there l to be heightened security in the. hospitals. -there was hospitals. indeed. and there was no hospitals. indeed. and there was m t— hospitals. indeed. and there was no i mean, the question no i mean, i think the question about, predatory men about, you know, predatory men coming is we coming into hospital is we presume course, presume it's men, of course, because, know, 99% of sexual because, you know, 99% of sexual violence is committed by men. but we presume i presume that that's actually a very low number of people actually coming into the hospitals like that. the stories that have come out either or people who either on twitter or people who have directly as a have emailed me directly as a result of the publication of the report have been stories of junior doctors, physio ,

junior doctors, physio, therapists, health care assistants . it's basically assistants. it's basically breaching committing sexual violence . so i think that idea violence. so i think that idea that the sexual offender is somewhere out there, you know , somewhere out there, you know, this predatory individual , this predatory individual, actually, what this report may be indicating is that the sexual predator is in here and isn't that the case so often with sexual assaults, cases of sexual assaults, it's people that people know or who are residing nearby. erg absolutely. now, there's something else that's really about this really important about this report. the other that we report. the other thing that we didn't for in retrospect didn't ask for in retrospect we maybe have, but i'd like maybe should have, but i'd like to and ask it . is to go back and ask for it. is the the victims , the the sex of the victims, the actual location in hospitals and the sex of the perpetrators ? the sex of the perpetrators? right now, funnily enough , being right now, funnily enough, being able to ask that question , i able to ask that question, i would never have been able to do it. i don't mean to go back to the open university, but i would never have been able to that never have been able to do that at open university, because at the open university, because even asking question like that even asking a question like that would have gone would have had to have gone through the ethics committee and

it could got there . it could have got stuck there. it might be worth talking to heehte— it might be worth talking to heehte ghett— it might be worth talking to people about or- it might be worth talking to people about or just explaining whet—yee- people about or just explaining whet—yee et- people about or just explaining what-you at youri what happened to you at your heetehe— what happened to you at your experience .the- what happened to you at your experience the open experience at the open hhtvetetty. — experience at the open university. lived university. oh yes. i've lived it university. oh yes. i've lived tt tet— university. oh yes. i've lived tt tot he— university. oh yes. i've lived it for so long now. i assume everybody knows i worked the everybody knows i worked at the open university for quite a while . i hold gender critical while. i hold gender critical views. i wanted to ask about the competing rights of trans gender prisoners and women in prison . prisoners and women in prison. i've done, you know, 26 years of sexual violence and crimes against women. so i wanted to ask about that whole question . ask about that whole question. and i had been basically side silenced by my colleagues. i was silent after i got cancelled at essex university. motty i then after the reindorf report, which was a report into what happened to me at essex, said that cancelling academics is unlawful and then after the maya forstater ruling , which gave us forstater ruling, which gave us protected gender critical rights , i launched the open university gender critical research network and my life descended into what

can only be described as just a continuum of hell . so there was continuum of hell. so there was petition lines that were signed, open letters that were put forward. my direct colleagues were asking for us to be discriminated for against, the university to disaffiliate the research network simply because and this is where we come back to the question with the report. yes that research network, its mission was to ask where, why, when , how and to what effect sex when, how and to what effect sex matters. people will be really eheetet— matters. people will be really shocked because - people will be really shocked because you also got a lot shocked because you also got a hot et— shocked because you also got a lot of harassment- shocked because you also got a lot of harassment and abuse. and it lot of harassment and abuse. and tt wee— lot of harassment and abuse. and tt very— lot of harassment and abuse. and tt very yee— lot of harassment and abuse. and it was very you know, we've we've discussed - it was very you know, we've we've discussed this before and heehte— we've discussed this before and heehte wit— we've discussed this before and heehte wttt he— we've discussed this before and people will be shocked that an teetemte— people will be shocked that an teetemte et— people will be shocked that an academic of such- people will be shocked that an academic of such standing academic of such high standing whe— academic of such high standing wheletmhty— academic of such high standing who simply asking the who is simply asking the gheettehe— who is simply asking the questions academic questions that an academic i meh|ey— questions that an academic i mean you're criminologist. mean, you're a criminologist. thte— mean, you're a criminologist. thte-teh. — mean, you're a criminologist. this-job. right.- mean, you're a criminologist. this job. right. but this is yourjob. right. but heee— this is yourjob. right. but because sensitivity because of the sensitivity eeehe— because of the sensitivity around that around this particular area that you around this particular area that yeh eheehh— around this particular area that you ehehtt he— around this particular area that you should be demonised and meneteteh— you should be demonised and monstered. yeah.- you should be demonised and monstered. yeah. as a means to prevent— monstered. yeah. as a means to prevent the— monstered. yeah. as a means to prevent the facts- monstered. yeah. as a means to prevent the facts coming out. veeh. — prevent the facts coming out. veeh. wett— prevent the facts coming out. yeah. well, quite.- prevent the facts coming out. yeah. well, quite. ' t: " yeah. well, quite. and even in the reaction to the report.

interesting only you know on twitter, you know, if you take twitter, you know, if you take twitter to mean anything on twitter to mean anything on twitter there have been several attempts to brand this piece of research transphobic , which is research transphobic, which is just crazy in my mind because what we're actually talking about is, you know, sexual violence in hospitals is. but because one of the calls to action on is to actually rethink the suspension of nxb , in other the suspension of nxb, in other words, to reintroduce single sex wards . and one of the other wards. and one of the other calls to action is to actually get the information from the police about whether it's female victims or male perpetrators. but this is very important, is it but this is very important, is tt heee— but this is very important, is it because last- but this is very important, is it because last year there was an attempted— it because last year there was an attempted sexual assault at a heehttet— an attempted sexual assault at a heehttet h— an attempted sexual assault at a hospital in london- an attempted sexual assault at a hospital in london and the heme— hospital in london and the hottee wee— hospital in london and the police were called . the police police were called. the police twmet— police were called. the police twmet wh— police were called. the police twmet uh mt— police were called. the police turned up and said to the memhee— turned up and said to the members of- turned up and said to the members of staff, well, we need to hweettgete— members of staff, well, we need to investigate this. - members of staff, well, we need to investigate this. and the ettm— to investigate this. and the ettm-het- to investigate this. and the staff not possible staff said it's not possible hewee— staff said it's not possible because that because there's no men on that wett— because there's no men on that watt thewhg— because there's no men on that ward knowing.well- because there's no men on that ward knowing well that ward knowing full well that there— ward knowing full well that there-e— ward knowing full well that there a biological male who there was a biological male who ttehttttet— there was a biological male who identified -the. identified as female on the watt.— identified as female on the wet. se— identified as female on the ward. so and- identified as female on the ward. so and that that means there— ward. so and that that means there the— ward. so and that that means there are serious- ward. so and that that means there are serious stakes here. there— there are serious stakes here. there we— there are serious stakes here. there are serious,- there are serious stakes here. there are serious, serious. there are serious, serious stakes. and it isn't just what's

happening in hospitals and the degree to which, for lack of better words, gender identity, ideology , albie is underpinning ideology, albie is underpinning how hospitals are approaching this issue. and i'll just kind of sideways for a second here. part of the report was looking at the policies that nhs foundation trusts us hospitals use the care standards, quality commission news and the push behind all of those policies is to create sexual safety . arnie to create sexual safety. arnie right. and they talk about sexual safety incidences. that is the first time in my life i have ever heard sexual violence referred to as sexual safety. and part of that is around, you know , ensuring that gender know, ensuring that gender identity is respected. if you read these policies, they quite literally and i hate to use the word, but they erase sexual violence. now i don't know if i have a second more, but if i have a second more, but if i have one more second. the other thing that in the reaction to

the report that has come to light is that the police forces who did answer the foi didn't take some police forces, didn't take some police forces, didn't take it seriously . now i'm just take it seriously. now i'm just going to mention one derbyshire shire police force . if you look shire police force. if you look on the table that we provide in the report, they were the second highest for rapes and sexual assaults with just over a thousand right now when the report landed and it attracted so much media attention, derbyshire police force contacted . one and they also contacted. one and they also made a public statement saying that when they did the foi all they did was, in effect a fuzzy word search for the word hospital on any sexual violence case. so they justified in one statement it that they made they justified the fact that those numbers were so high because it could have occurred on something like a road called hospital road right now at that time , when right now at that time, when i discovered that, i thought, well, this is ludicrous because

i'm sure there aren't that many hospital roads in the derbyshire police force area. but they've gone back. they've relooked at their own data and the numbers come in much lower. there has been, you know, a request to change the data. we're not going to because that report is an historical report. but what does that tell you? that there wasn't thet— that tell you? that there wasn't that diligence - that tell you? that there wasn't that diligence about- 7 that there wasn't that diligence about such a serious subject? mean, serious subject? quite. i mean, that-e— serious subject? quite. i mean, that's-disturbing. i that's very, very disturbing. wett— that's very, very disturbing. well,-disturbing. that's very, very disturbing. l well,-disturbing when well, it's very disturbing when you in light of the casey you put it in light of the casey report. and, you know, the question of institutional misogyny forces, misogyny within police forces, it's serious problem. misogyny within police forces, it's a serious problem. misogyny within police forces, it's a really; problem. misogyny within police forces, it's a really important well it's a really important report. and , you know, i hope it report. and, you know, i hope it thee— report. and, you know, i hope it does-awareness- report. and, you know, i hope it does-awareness that. does raise the awareness that heete— does raise the awareness that heete te— does raise the awareness that heete to he— does raise the awareness that needs to be raised as result. does raise the awareness that he phoean,! raised as result. does raise the awareness that he phoenix, thanks as result. does raise the awareness that he phoenix, thanks so result. does raise the awareness that he phoenix, thanks so muchilt. does raise the awareness that he phoenix, thanks so much for jo phoenix, thanks so much for tehhg—yewl jo phoenix, thanks so much for tehhg—yew .| joining us today. thank you. atte— joining us today. thank you. the the— joining us today. thank you. after the break- joining us today. thank you. after the break on free speech wetteh— after the break on free speech wetteh eetee— after the break on free speech nation, actor james dreyfus will join nation, actor james dreyfus will the me— nation, actor james dreyfus will the me te— nation, actor james dreyfus will join me to discuss- nation, actor james dreyfus will join me to discuss the life of the— join me to discuss the life of the brilliant- join me to discuss the life of the brilliant comedian and entertainer- the brilliant comedian and entertainer barry humphries, who very— entertainer barry humphries, who wety eetty— entertainer barry humphries, who wety eetty heeeet— entertainer barry humphries, who very sadly passed away yeetettey. — very sadly passed away yesterday. see you shortly .

welcome back to free speech wetteh— welcome back to free speech wetteh wtth— welcome back to free speech nation with me- welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle . nation with me andrew doyle. there— nation with me andrew doyle. there wee— nation with me andrew doyle. there were some- nation with me andrew doyle. there were some very sad news yeetettey— there were some very sad news yeetettey wheh— there were some very sad news yesterday when the brilliant hwetretteh— yesterday when the brilliant australian entertainer barry hwmhhhee— australian entertainer barry humphries died at the age of 89. hwmhhhee— humphries died at the age of 89. humphries.course- humphries died at the age of 89. humphries.course ,- humphries died at the age of 89. humphries course , is best humphries of course, is best known— humphries of course, is best known tet— humphries of course, is best known for his- humphries of course, is best known for his creation. dame ttm— known for his creation. dame ttme twetege— known for his creation. dame edna everage hosted chat edna everage, who hosted chat ehwe— edna everage, who hosted chat ehewe—tttme- edna everage, who hosted chat shows,-films ,. edna everage, who hosted chati shows,-films , wrote shows, appeared in films, wrote eeweet— shows, appeared in films, wrote several-an officeri several books, made an officer of several books, made an officer oh the— several books, made an officer oh the ether— several books, made an officer of the order of- several books, made an officer of the order of australia in thee — of the order of australia in thee hemy— of the order of australia in 1982. barry humphries was hehewet— 1982. barry humphries was honoured with- 1982. barry humphries was honoured with a cbe for services to entertainment- honoured with a cbe for services to entertainment in- honoured with a cbe for services to entertainment in two thousand and seven. let's- to entertainment in two thousand and seven. let's take a look at htm— and seven. let's take a look at htm h— and seven. let's take a look at htm th eetee— and seven. let's take a look at him in action . - and seven. let's take a look at him in action . /o ”to; g him in action. you're looking wonderful. you're him in action. v/o ”to; g : you're ageless . wonderful. you're ageless. well, i'm trying to be ageless. i haven't. i've had a little work done, but . have you? not work done, but. have you? not quite as much as some. the erg . quite as much as some. the erg. no, don't look at me with the seb gorka. keep your eyes back . seb gorka. keep your eyes back. wow— seb gorka. keep your eyes back. wow the— seb gorka. keep your eyes back. wow the thhg— seb gorka. keep your eyes back. now the thing is,- seb gorka. keep your eyes back. now the thing is, you- i keep your eyes back. now the thing is, you are still recognisable. - now the thing is, you are still recognisable. 'z

recognisable. that's what. i and to discuss barry humphries and his wonderful comic creations , his wonderful comic creations, i'm joined by the actor james dreyfus. good evening, james. theme— dreyfus. good evening, james. thehte tet— dreyfus. good evening, james. thanks for joining- dreyfus. good evening, james. thanks forjoining us- “moat good evening, james. thanks for joining us tonight. wette— thanks for joining us tonight. hette ht — thanks for joining us tonight. hette ht .— thanks for joining us tonight. hello hi , andrew. oi; o.7 hello hi, andrew. how are you? i'm very good. and hello hi, andrew. how are you? i'm very good . and you,- hello hi, andrew. at; o.7 tog g: and you, james, i'm very good. and you, james, vou— i'm very good. and you, james, you you— i'm very good. and you, james, you you eetwetty— i'm very good. and you, james, you you actually had- tog g: and you, james, you you actually had the honour of you you actually had the honour et wetthg— you you actually had the honour of working with- you you actually had the honour of working with barry humphries , is of working with barry humphries , te thet— of working with barry humphries , he that hght— of working with barry humphries he that hght e— of working with barry humphries , is that right? yes. yes. that is , is that right? yes. yes. that he hght. — , is that right? yes. yes. that he hght. t— , is that right? yes. yes. that is right. i mean,- , is that right? yes. yes. that is right. i mean, i- , is that right? yes. yes. that is right. " i " g is right. i mean, i can't say i know him and was a friend, but i spent a week in a room with barry humphries, dame edna everage, and les patterson and madge allsop. so we're seven full days of watching him create and improvise and talk about his favourite guests because of course the joy of barry. we all know about his massive intellect and we all know about his artistic talents, but what you don't know, perhaps is the joy he took in his guests in interaction often. yeah, but that's interaction often. yeah, but hate he— interaction often. yeah, but that's one of- interaction often. yeah, but that's one of the- i o“ " yeah, but that's one of the amazing things ghett— that's one of the amazing things thewt htm — that's one of the amazing things thewt htm te— that's one of the amazing things about him is he- that's one of the amazing things about him is he was so spontaneously funny. i mean, you put htm — spontaneously funny. i mean, you put htm h— spontaneously funny. i mean, you put htm th th— spontaneously funny. i mean, you put him in an interview ettwetteh— put him in an interview situation or- put him in an interview situation or with people he

ttth-t— situation or with people he didn't know.- situation or with people he didn't know. he- situation or with people he didn't know. he could just bring it didn't know. he could just bring tt-he— didn't know. he could just bring tt-he-het- didn't know. he could just bring it-he.had that. it alive. just he just had that the— it alive. just he just had that the-et— it alive. just he just had that thelet hte— it alive. just he just had that the of his tongue. it was the tip of his tongue. it was emezhg— the tip of his tongue. it was amazing-well,- the tip of his tongue. it was amazing thou the tip of his tongue. it was. amazing-well, well, well. amazing skill. well, well, well. if you if you let me know when i've a minute left, i'll i've got a minute left, i'll read. i'll end this interview with just something with just to read something quickly michael palin's quickly out from michael palin's diary. i'm allowed. diary. if i'm allowed. yeah. which tell you a whole lot which will tell you a whole lot about him . but for example, about him. but for example, jeffrey archer who was because you have to enter this world eagerly, don't you? you have to play eagerly, don't you? you have to play along. oh, dame edna and jeffrey archer was a joy to barry because he not only did he enter the world, he went way over the top. and actually to give he was remarkably fond of jeffrey archer because jeffrey archer could take the most merciless ribbing and think that was the that was the joy. i mean, there's that wonderful quote of him when jeffrey archer is telling a story and it's not a very interesting story. and dame edna sat back and goes, you could work that up into a nice little anecdote , wrote jeffrey , little anecdote, wrote jeffrey,

which which kind of said it all, which which kind of said it all, which is utterly brilliant. i mean, the thing about dame which is utterly brilliant. i- mean, the thing about dame edna in mean, the thing about dame edna th hehtewtet— mean, the thing about dame edna th hemtewtet te— mean, the thing about dame edna in particular is that- mean, the thing about dame edna in particular is that the act was so subversive, like going hect— was so subversive, like going heet mehy— was so subversive, like going back many, many decades. it's etweye— back many, many decades. it's etweye heeh— back many, many decades. it's etweye heeh e— back many, many decades. it's always been a really sort of edgy— always been a really sort of etgy eemette— always been a really sort of edgy comedic act. but he was tehg— edgy comedic act. but he was tehg thte— edgy comedic act. but he was doing this into- edgy comedic act. but he was doing this into his 90 seconds mt— doing this into his 90 seconds mt he— doing this into his 90 seconds me he we— doing this into his 90 seconds and he was set- doing this into his 90 seconds and he was set to- doing this into his 90 seconds and he was set to tour again next— and he was set to tour again next yeee. — and he was set to tour again next yeee. met— and he was set to tour again next year. just astonishing. yest— next year. just astonishing. hee-wee— next year. just astonishing. yes,.was.yes.- next year. just astonishing. yes,.was.yes. i- next year. just astonishing. yes, was “on; next year. just astonishing.. yes,.was.yes. i mean, it next year. just astonishing.- yes,.was.yes. i mean, it was yes, he was. yes. i mean, it was extraordinary. trouble extraordinary. the trouble is, it was the great thing about him was that actually it's something that the test of time. that withstood the test of time. it was ageless . yes. because of it was ageless. yes. because of his wit , because of his mean his wit, because of his mean mean . and everyone uses the word mean. and everyone uses the word genius now. and it's garbage most of the time . i mean, but most of the time. i mean, but this was a true garbage . this this was a true garbage. this was a true genius. this was a true garbage. this was a true genius . and woe was a true genius. and woe betide you if you didn't play along and you didn't enter into the spirit of it. if you tried to be funnier than him, you were dead. if you if you were an interviewer, you could see the fear in people's eyes . sometimes fear in people's eyes. sometimes you could see the fear not so much with parkinson because parkinson knew him very well, but still had to go a very

but they still had to go a very delicate course . and woe betide delicate course. and woe betide the guest that know the guest that didn't know who he sometimes even when he was. and sometimes even when hemy— he was. and sometimes even when hemy hwmhhhee— he was. and sometimes even when barry humphries was- and sometimes even when barry humphries was being htewtewet— barry humphries was being interviewed as- barry humphries was being interviewed as barry humphries, barry humphries was being interviereallys barry humphries, barry humphries was being intervie really funny' humphries, barry humphries was being intervie really funny .humphries, barry humphries was being intervie really funny . you phries, barry humphries was being intervie really funny . you know, he was really funny. you know, when— he was really funny. you know, when he— he was really funny. you know, when he made- he was really funny. you know, when he made that joke about thith— when he made that joke about phillip schofield- when he made that joke about phillip schofield coming out, but phillip schofield coming out, hut-wee— phillip schofield coming out, but was addressing the but he was addressing it to the ether—weeh-t. i but he was addressing it to the other-wasn't. in| other presenter who wasn't. in teet— other presenter who wasn't. in fact,-schofield, - other presenter who wasn't. in fact, schofield, and fact, phillip schofield, and heehte— fact, phillip schofield, and people-for— fact, phillip schofield, and people.for it. - fact, phillip schofield, and people for it. fact, phillip schofield, and people.for it. that the people fell for it. that was the genius you didn't genius of him. if you didn't know who he was, you'd think, who's that? who's rather who's that? who's that rather senile , distracted man who senile, distracted man who doesn't understand . but you can doesn't understand. but you can see in eyes . and those of see it in his eyes. and those of us who've grown with him . you us who've grown up with him. you know, used to sort of know, my parents used to sort of keep a secret rather like keep him a secret rather like father christmas, because i was never sure that he was actually a man . and to and then when a man. and to and then when i slowly realised he was a man, you used to force prime ministers. edward heath to kiss him, you know , when you come in him, you know, when you come in and i remember thinking, oh my god, you know, the man's just kissed a man on television . and kissed a man on television. and it was extraordinarily groundbreaking. i mean, it really was . and the fact that, really was. and the fact that, you— really was. and the fact that, you knew — really was. and the fact that, you knew he — really was. and the fact that, you know, he was- "toad and the fact that, you know, he was lauded by

teyetty— you know, he was lauded by teyetty .— you know, he was lauded by teyetty , he— you know, he was lauded by royalty , he could make jokes royalty, he could make jokes wtth— royalty, he could make jokes wtth teyetty— royalty, he could make jokes with royalty and- royalty, he could make jokes with royalty and the royal box ehh— with royalty and the royal box eht thet— with royalty and the royal box and that kind _ with royalty and the royal box and that kind of- with royalty and the royal box and that kind of thing. and yet he wee— and that kind of thing. and yet he the— and that kind of thing. and yet he the t— and that kind of thing. and yet he was like i say,- and that kind of thing. and yet he was like i say, so subversive. - he was like i say, so subversive. that's a very eheewet— subversive. that's a very unusual ability . subversive. that's a very- unusual ability . i mean, i can't unusual ability. i mean, i can't think i was talking about this last night. i can't think of anyone else on the planet who could have got away with that moment in the royal box and mean credit to charles and camilla. i mean, you could tell they had no idea where they might have been told something was going to happen. but he was the only person and he what it was five words, five words. and he brought the house down. yeah. i mean, that tells you a lot about the talent of barry humphries. absolutely wonderful. well, james, i would love- ecu, : well, james, i would love you to read this— james, i would love you to read this excerpt— james, i would love you to read this excerpt from _ james, i would love you to read this excerpt from michael palin. if—uke— this excerpt from michael palin. if—uke to. — this excerpt from michael palin. if_like to. now's- this excerpt from michael palin. if like to. now's your if you would like to. now's your came-h — if you would like to. now's your came-h can— if you would like to. now's your came-h can i— if you would like to. now's your chance. can i do— if you would like to. now's your chance. can i do very chance. can i do it very quickly? — chance. can i do it very quickly? yes,- chance. can i do it very quickly? “in; chance. can i do it very quickly? “05 20 chance. can i do it very quickly? /09 20 chance. can i do it very- quickly? yes, please do . is this quickly? yes, please do. is this a minute? this is during the interval of a show of his and his manager was overhearing two people about show people talking about the show and the wife said to the and one of the wife said to the thing, the accusing thing, um, one was the accusing , the other of sighing. i wasn't sighing. yes you were. you were

sitting there sighing all through then through it. the producer then went humphries in the went to barry humphries in the interval and told him story interval and told him this story and he couldn't believe his ears when edna's when halfway through edna's monologue a packed 1500 monologue to a packed 1500 strong house, edna told of how she couldn't take norm to the theatre because he'd just sit there and sigh and eventually became very combative . became very combative. afterwards, barry said he'd supped afterwards, barry said he'd slipped it in because of his enjoyment of the effect it would have on just two people. well, as barry put it, it would make for them a truly uncanny night in the theatre. just an absolute consummate performer. brilliant . james consummate performer. brilliant .james dreyfus,— consummate performer. brilliant . james dreyfus, thanks- consummate performer. brilliant . james dreyfus, thanks so- f brilliant . james dreyfus, thanks so much for joining— . james dreyfus, thanks so much for joining me— . james dreyfus, thanks so much for joining me tonight. really forjoining me tonight. really appreciaie— forjoining me tonight. really appreciaie ii.— forjoining me tonight. really appreciate it. always a pleasure . iii— appreciate it. always a pleasure . iii you— appreciate it. always a pleasure . iii you ever— appreciate it. always a pleasure . did you ever get— appreciate it. always a pleasure . did you ever get to see dame idea— . did you ever get to see dame iine iveiegee— . did you ever get to see dame edna everage? no.— . did you ever get to see dame edna everage? no. no, i didn't. so edna everage? no. no, i didn't. se i— edna everage? no. no, i didn't. se i iii— edna everage? no. no, i didn't. se i iii a— edna everage? no. no, i didn't. so i did a couple— edna everage? no. no, i didn't. so i did a couple of years ago. ani— so i did a couple of years ago. and i— so i did a couple of years ago. and i wee— so i did a couple of years ago. and it was honestly at the ieiieiium— and it was honestly at the palladium was— and it was honestly at the palladium was one of the iuneieei— palladium was one of the funniest—ever. palladium was one of the- funniest_ever seen. funniest shows i've ever seen. ani— funniest shows i've ever seen.| and—iiie. and i couldn't quite grasp this. iiie— and i couldn't quite grasp this. iiie-wee— and i couldn't quite grasp this. iiie-wee in— and i couldn't quite grasp this. this-was in-late- and i couldn't quite grasp this. this was in late 80s. this person was in his late 80s. ii-e— this person was in his late 80s. ire-eee— this person was in his late 80s. ii-e-een-ene- this person was in his late 80s. it's-can-one of. it's like, how can you one of me— it's like, how can you one of the-powerful- it's like, how can you one of the powerful things i've the most powerful things i've ever seen on on— the most powerful things i've ever seen on on stage, really. ani— ever seen on on stage, really. ami i— ever seen on on stage, really. ami i saw— ever seen on on stage, really. ami i aim — ever seen on on stage, really. and i saw him in— ever seen on on stage, really. and i saw him in san- ever seen on on stage, really. and i saw him in san francisco and was on the

and the audience was on the edge, of chairs and edge, edge of their chairs and anything he wanted to say to them, away with. so them, he could get away with. so he have just come out he could have just come out and done garbage. but done a bunch of garbage. but every was so beautifully every joke was so beautifully scripted. james saying, scripted. like james was saying, if actually if your comedian actually two everything succinct everything was so succinct and so in that way so so limited. and in that way so strong. hit mark, it strong. when it hit its mark, it was great. soi strong. when it hit its mark, it was great. so i saw the was just great. so i saw the mem— was just great. so i saw the eiiew. i— was just great. so i saw the eiiew. i-ie— was just great. so i saw the show. i-he was- 2000 so i saw the show. i he was playing les show. i saw he was playing les ieiiemem— show. i saw he was playing les ieiiemem-ei— show. i saw he was playing les patterson _of - showi patterson for half of the show emi— patterson for half of the show emi iiiem — patterson for half of the show and then dame— patterson for half of the show and then dame edna for the other mif— and then dame edna for the other iieii-eiiew. — and then dame edna for the other iieii-eiiew. ami— and then dame edna for the other half show. and these two half of the show. and these two eiiemeiem— half of the show. and these two characters-really- half of the show. and these two characters really be characters couldn't really be mere—iieyel characters couldn't really be. mere—mew em more different, could they? but he more different, could they? buti ie—immiii he somehow managed to inhabit mem— he somehow managed to inhabit iiem-emy— he somehow managed to inhabit them. _only that,- he somehow managed to inhabit them. only that, when them. and not only that, when he epememe— them. and not only that, when he was spontane albie— them. and not only that, when he was spontane albie talking to peepie— was spontane albie talking to people characters, people as those characters, he ceme— could answer as those characters. _ could answer as those characters. an characters. yeah. and this is an imieiiiie— characters. yeah. and this is an incredible-sang- characters. yeah. and this is an incredible-sang in- incredible skill. he sang in eiiemeiei— incredible skill. he sang in character—himl incredible skill. he sang in character—him dame character when i saw him do dame aim.— character when i saw him do dame iim. — character when i saw him do dame iim. mere-s— character when i saw him do dame iim. iieie-s e— character when i saw him do dame edna. there's a piano— character when i saw him do dame edna. ' character when i saw him do dame edna. , character when i saw him do dame edna. d yeah. and he perched on the edge of the piano and just kicked up his heels started his heels and just started singing it singing the what's going on? it was hilarious, making was hilarious, hilarious, making stuff up, changing to stuff up, changing lyrics to famous songs , whatever he wanted famous songs, whatever he wanted and really caring about and never really caring about causing offence. no, not at all. and a way it's like and i mean, in a way it's like people about draghi people so worked up about draghi acts could get into acts and could children get into acts and could children get into a show? should they be a drag show? should they be allowed? just allowed? i mean, this act just appealed to every age group. yeah like james said, he didn't

know he was a whether know when he was a kid whether this or a woman. i did this was a man or a woman. i did think it was a woman.— this was a man or a woman. i did think it was a woman. i- think it was a woman. i thought deme— think it was a woman. i thought memes-— think it was a woman. i thought meme-wee-e- dame edna was was just a i mommi— dame edna was was just a i memhe-wim- dame edna was was just a i thought what australian thought that's what australian women-believe. - thought that's what australian women-believe. . thought that's what australian women believe. 0 women were still believe. it's a woman. do you? yeah.- women were still believe. 0 j0 7 yeah. thanks, woman. do you? yeah. thanks, iee.— woman. do you? yeah. thanks, iee. iypieei— woman. do you? yeah. thanks, iee. iypieei iee— woman. do you? yeah. thanks, leo. typical leo kearse.- j0 07 yeah. thanks, leo. typical leo kearse. well, ieea— leo. typical leo kearse. well, mm, mm— leo. typical leo kearse. well, mm, mm is— leo. typical leo kearse. well, look, that is-end- leo. typical leo kearse. well, look, that is end of our look, that is the end of our imi— look, that is the end of our first - honestly, i look, that is the end of our. first-honestly, there first hour. but honestly, there is-morelcome- first hour. but honestly, there- is-morelcome between is so much more to come between emi— is so much more to come between mi 9:00.— is so much more to come between now and 9:00. we're— is so much more to come between now and 9:00. we're going to be going— now and 9:00. we're going to be going iam— now and 9:00. we're going to be going back io— now and 9:00. we're going to be going back to our— now and 9:00. we're going to be going back to our wonderful semio— going back to our wonderful studio audience— studio audience for some queeiiem. — studio audience for some. questions. _some questions. we've got some queeiiem— questions. we've got some questions-comel questions. we've got some. questions-come in questions. we've got some- questions-come in from questions that have come in from you questions that have come in from yee-vie— questions that have come in from yee-vie emeii- questions that have come in from you-via email. and- questions that have come in from you via email. and we're you at home via email. and we're going—unfiltered. going to be doing our unfiltered iiiemmee— going to be doing our unfiltered dilemmas-going- going to be doing our unfiltered dilemmas going to dilemmas where i'm going to seme— dilemmas where i'm going to solve-problems. - dilemmas where i'm going to solve problems. believe solve all your problems. believe you me— solve all your problems. believe you me .— solve all your problems. believe you me leew— solve all your problems. believe you me .-now-time- solve all your problems. believe you me . now time for you me. but now it's time for a quick— you me. but now it's time for a quick-vee— you me. but now it's time for a quick-you ee— you me. but now it's time for a quick you are watching quick break. you are watching mee— quick break. you are watching eee—wim- quick break. you are watching iiee—wiiii mel quick break. you are watching iiee—wiiii me -i free speech nation with me. amiew— free speech nation with me. andrew—em- free speech nation with me. andrew-on gb- free speech nation with me.. andrew-on gb news free speech nation with me.- andrew-on gb news is andrew doyle live on gb news is the andrew doyle live on gb news is me ieepie-e— andrew doyle live on gb news is the people's channel who .

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nationals in sudan. we will do so in eiese— nationals in sudan. we will do so in close coordination with our international— so in close coordination with our international partners. but the our international partners. but iiie besi— our international partners. but iiie iesi mine— our international partners. but the best thing that we can do to suppers— the best thing that we can do to suppem miiisii— the best thing that we can do to support british nationals and indeed— support british nationals and indeed everyone— support british nationals and indeed everyone in sudan is pushed— indeed everyone in sudan is pesisei me— indeed everyone in sudan is pushed the generals involved in this conflict— pushed the generals involved in this conflict to— pushed the generals involved in this conflict to bring it to an em.— this conflict to bring it to an emi- ami— this conflict to bring it to an end. and that— this conflict to bring it to an end. and that will remain the mieiiiv— end. and that will remain the prieiiiv ei— end. and that will remain the prieiiiv ei em— end. and that will remain the priority of our diplomatic focus in me— priority of our diplomatic focus in me region— priority of our diplomatic focus in the region . _ priority of our diplomatic focus in the region . 'j ' in the region. diane abbott has been suspended as a labour mp pending an investigation after she claimed that jewish people are not subject to racism . in an are not subject to racism. in an article for the observer newspaper , the former shadow newspaper, the former shadow health secretary said jewish people experienced prejudice like irish or red headed people , but not racism. she has since withdrawn the remarks and apologised for any offence caused . however, the labour caused. however, the labour party has called the comments deeply offensive and wrong . the deeply offensive and wrong. the home secretary says it's crucial the government has the power to deport migrants without it being blocked by the european court of human rights. in the sunday telegraph, suella braverman said for britain to be truly sovereign , it needs to be able

sovereign, it needs to be able to decide who enters our territory. this comes after 11 small boats carrying nearly 500 people crossed the english channel yesterday . an add to new channel yesterday. an add to new pictures of prince louis have been published as he celebrates his fifth birthday today. he's been photographed being pushed in a wheelbarrow by his mum. louis is expected to accompany his siblings in the procession from westminster abbey during the king's coronation next month . we're on tv online the king's coronation next month .we're on tv online on dab+ radio and on tune to in you're watching and listening to gb news. back now to free speech nafion news. back now to free speech nation . nation. welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle . nation with me andrew doyle. let's crack on with some eeesiiems— let's crack on with some questions from - let's crack on with some questions from our brilliant vie— questions from our brilliant viewers via email. the first eeesiiem— viewers via email. the first eeesiiem ee— viewers via email. the first question came in from spencer . question came in from spencer. seeme— question came in from spencer. spemei sevs — question came in from spencer. spemei sevs is— question came in from spencer. spencer says, is elon musk ever

going— spencer says, is elon musk ever going io— spencer says, is elon musk ever going io neve— spencer says, is elon musk ever going io neae ii— spencer says, is elon musk ever going to make it to— spencer says, is elon musk ever going to make it to mars? and of , iion— going to make it to mars? and of course , elon musk's company, course, elon musk's company, speeex— course, elon musk's company, spacex designed— course, elon musk's company, spacex designed the most governm— spacex designed the most powerful rocket ever . and then powerful rocket ever. and then it powerful rocket ever. and then i siev— powerful rocket ever. and then i iiev en— powerful rocket ever. and then i iiev no e— powerful rocket ever. and then it blew up a few— powerful rocket ever. and then it blew up a few minutes after ieae— it blew up a few minutes after ieae oin— it blew up a few minutes after ieae on. em— it blew up a few minutes after take off. but you— it blew up a few minutes after take off. but you know, to get a nose— take off. but you know, to get a noeaei eo— take off. but you know, to get a rocket up there. _ take off. but you know, to get a rocket up there. yeah. leo, yon-ve— rocket up there. yeah. leo, von-ve goi— rocket up there. yeah. leo, von-ve goi io— rocket up there. yeah. leo, you've got to give him some eneiii— you've got to give him some eneiii ion— you've got to give him some credit for that. _ you've got to give him some credit for that. yeah. ' 2 credit for that. yeah. and someining— credit for that. yeah. and something like a rocket. you don't just build the first one and it goes all the way to mars. you've got to, like, blow up quite lot rockets as and quite a lot of rockets as and they've been they've actually been atmosphere. well has atmosphere. yeah well musk has been— been saying that this is eemeiiv— been saying that this is actually lot actually a success. yeah a lot of actually a success. yeah a lot oi geome— actually a success. yeah a lot of people - looking - actually a success. yeah a lot of people looking at of people are looking at ininaing— of people are looking at thinking well- of people are looking at thinking well that's what i've been— thinking well that's what i've been-eioei— thinking well that's what i've been-about my- thinking well that's what i've been about my career as been saying about my career as veii. — been saying about my career as well. _disagree. well. yeah, people disagree a lot. you the thing is, lot. you know, the thing is, nes— lot. you know, the thing is, me nes— you know, the thing is, he's. he's brainwashed so many geome— he's. he's brainwashed so many people- ne— he's. he's brainwashed so many people. he works— he's. he's brainwashed so many people. he works with. one of ine—inel the women scientists in the office— the women scientists in the oiiiee—onl the women scientists in the. office—on npr, the women scientists in the. office|is_on npr, the women scientists in the. office|is the _on npr, the women scientists in the office is the bbc on npr, the women scientists in the office is the bbc in on npr, the women scientists in the office is the bbc in the n npr, the women scientists in the office is the bbc in the us.3r, the women scientists in the office is the bbc in the us. and which is the bbc in the us. and sne—voe— which is the bbc in the us. and sne—voe anon,- which is the bbc in the us. and she _you know, this. she said, well, you know, this isseeeessl— she said, well, you know, this islseeeess—is- she said, well, you know, thisi islsuccess_is like, is a success in america is like, no-vesie— is a success in america is like, no-vesie oi— is a success in america is like, no, waste of money. and no, it's a waste of money. and sne— no, it's a waste of money. and sne semi,— no, it's a waste of money. and sne seii, no— no, it's a waste of money. and she said, no,-made- no, it's a waste of money. and she said, no, made it past she said, no, if we made it past ine— she said, no, if we made it past egg-pigggo.m,- she said, no, if we made it past the-platform, it's- the launching platform, it's icing— the launching platform, it's icing-seve- the launching platform, it'si icing-cake.-that, icing on the cake. after that, it icing on the cake. after that, ii—ii— icing on the cake. after that, ii—ii iiev- icing on the cake. after that, ii—ii iiev en- icing on the cake. after that, it_it blew up in. it is because it blew up in ironi— it is because it blew up in inoni oi— it is because it blew up in front of everybody. and i think inei— front of everybody. and i think me iooas— front of everybody. and i think that looks disastrous. it that looks disastrous. but it esni— that looks disastrous. but it. vesn-i—ii-s wasn't manned, you know, it's yeah— wasn't manned, you know, it's veen-noi— wasn't manned, you know, it's veen-noi e— wasn't manned, you know, it's yeah, not a tragedy. 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so offensive. it's like being a comedian and trying out new material. yeah, the first one isn't going be you isn't going to be your, you know, got to, know, closer. you've got to, like, it up. but the joke like, work it up. but the joke didn't cost $8 billion, though. that's the thing. that's the i mean, that way when mean, it feels that way when you're didn't you're writing. but it didn't you— you're writing. but it didn't you anon— you're writing. but it didn't you know that's— you're writing. but it didn't you know that's-that. "0; 0 3 but it didn't you know that's that is you know that's the that is a signiiieeni— you know that's the that is a significant difference it's a lot significant difference it's a ioilnonev— significant difference it's a ioilnonev-voel significant difference it's a lot-money-you he lot of money and but you know he soeni— lot of money and but you know he soeni vnei— lot of money and but you know he soeni mm is— lot of money and but you know he soeni mm is ii— lot of money and but you know he spent what is it 44— lot of money and but you know he spent what is it 44 billion on mine— spent what is it 44 billion on twitter which— spent what is it 44 billion on twitter which could never spent what is it 44 billion on twitte money could never spent what is it 44 billion on twitte money of. i never spent what is it 44 billion on twitte money of. ?2 ' spent what is it 44 billion on twitte money of. 3 2 make money out of. right. so eieeniv— make money out of. right. so clearly he's you know, he's got money to burn. that's why people get money to burn. that's why people gee—nes— money to burn. that's why people gee—ne-s-nonev- money to burn. that's why people gee—ne-s-nonev io| get upset that he's got money to imnn —nonev- get upset that he's got money to burn. _money for. burn. but he wants money for inei— burn. but he wants money for inei-inei-s- burn. but he wants money for that-that's the. that blue tick. that's the ining. — that blue tick. that's the thing. yeah. _ that blue tick. that's the thing. yeah. �*" that blue tick. that's the- thing. yeah. what if he combined them and sent twitter to mars? that would be an interesting them and sent twitter to mars? that vithal be an interesting them and sent twitter to mars? that vithal be an be eresting them and sent twitter to mars? that vithal be an be nice.ng them and sent twitter to mars? that vithal be an be nice. yeah. way. that would be nice. yeah. yeah ithink way. that would be nice. yeah. yeah i think this way. that would be nice. yeah. yeah ithink this a way. that would be nice. yeah. yeah i think this a good yeah i think this is a good ming— yeah i think this is a good ining, inongn— / i think this is a good thing, though, you know, because i thing, though, you know, because i-ine— thing, though, you know, because i-the aspirational- i think just the aspirational gneiiiv— quality of wanting to get to mens— quality of wanting to get to iiens .anov, — quality of wanting to get to mars, know, like takes mars, you know, it's like takes us mars, you know, it's like takes es—eos— mars, you know, it's like takes es—eos vnen- mars, you know, it's like takes- us_60s when kennedy us back to the 60s when kennedy was us back to the 60s when kennedy ves—io- us back to the 60s when kennedy ves—io geil was saying, we're going to get to was saying, we're going to get io—veen.— was saying, we're going to get io—veen. ani- was saying, we're going to get. to _yeah. and everyone to the moon. yeah. and everyone iiae— to the moon. yeah. and everyone gkg, wen,— to the moon. yeah. and everyone was like, well, that's a waste of was like, well, that's a waste oi—noining- was like, well, that's a waste. of_nothing.the of time. there's nothing on the noon—feel of time. there's nothing on thei moon._fact that moon. but actually the fact that nenenaini— moon. but actually the fact that humankind can— moon. but actually the fact that humankind can do— moon. but actually the fact that humankind can do this stuff, veen— humankind can do this stuff, veen i— humankind can do this stuff, veen i-ine— humankind can do this stuff, yeah, i the inspiring yeah, i mean, the inspiring mere,— yeah, i mean, the inspiring. there,_nothing there, right? there is nothing on there's nothing on the moon and there's nothing on the moon and there's nothing on mars. and also, looks on mars. and also, mars looks nice peaceful. don't nice and peaceful. i don't know why we'd want to ruin it by putting us there

putting sending us up there really? they think they found some under ground- ”0027 they think they found some under ground water outlet ining. — some under ground water outlet ining. ieeeiive— some under ground water outlet thing. really? they thing. really? yes, they did. aiiens—ao. - thing. really? yes, they did.| aliens._no. well, aliens. you mean? no. well, nevie— aliens. you mean? no. well, nevielsone— aliens. you mean? no. well, maybe-some-butl aliens. you mean? no. well,- maybelsome-but they maybe at some point. but they found— maybe at some point. but they found-inev— maybe at some point. but they found-they found- found i think they found the egniveieni— found i think they found the equivalent schaefer, equivalent of louis schaefer, vnien— equivalent of louis schaefer, onion—oi- equivalent of louis schaefer,. which—of nothing. which is just a lake of nothing. t hey— which is just a lake of nothing. inev—son- which is just a lake of nothing. inev—son oi- which is just a lake of nothing. they—sort of somel they found some sort of some soni— they found some sort of some son oi— they found some sort of some son oi damp-— they found some sort of some sort of damp. yeah. yes. for geome— sort of damp. yeah. yes. for people vno— sort of damp. yeah. yes. for people who don't know louis seneeien— people who don't know louis schaefer, regular— people who don't know louis schaefer, regular this schaefer, regular on this onennei— schaefer, regular on this channel and— schaefer, regular on this channel and he maybe for too not neon— channel and he maybe for too not neon iongen— channel and he maybe for too not neon iongen ii— channel and he maybe for too not much longer if he— channel and he maybe for too not much longer if he watches this . much longer if he watches this. iei-s— much longer if he watches this. iei-s-io — much longer if he watches this. let's-to another- let's move on to another question another question let's move on to another questiin another question let's move on to another questiin also another question let's move on to another questiin also via other question let's move on to another questiin also via emailjuestion let's move on to another questiin also via email .|estion let's move on to another questiin also via email . thisin came in also via email. this came in also via email. this came george. hello, george came from george. hello, george . george says, was morgan freeman right about black history so morgan history month? so morgan freeman, legendary actor. he said that he felt it was reductive to celebrate his heritage only at a certain time. and he actually this is the quotation. this is from the sunday times. he said black history month is an insult. you're going to relegate my history to a month. and he also said didn't like the term said he didn't like the term african american he said he didn't like the term africeyou nerican he said he didn't like the term africeyou say can he said he didn't like the term africeyou say africa he said he didn't like the term africeyou say africa as he said he didn't like the term africeyou say africa as if he said he didn't like the term africeyou say africa as if it's said, you say africa as if it's a country when it's a continent like europe. i mean, he like europe. i mean, does he have a point that relegating it to saying we're to a month saying we're only going history going to celebrate black history in then, well, in this month and then, well,

everyone month. if everyone gets a month. if they're the get a they're lucky, the gays get a nonin. — they're lucky, the gays get a nonin. ii— they're lucky, the gays get a month. it takes— they're lucky, the gays get a month. it takes them that long to month. it takes them that long io-ine— month. it takes them that long to-the outfits— month. it takes them that long to the outfits together. but to get the outfits together. but it to get the outfits together. but ii—oeonie- to get the outfits together. but ii—oeonielnoninl to get the outfits together. but. it _ people l month is it takes some people a month is geiie— it takes some people a month is gene-ine— it takes some people a month is quite-time. that's- it takes some people a month is quite time. that's every quite a long time. that's every siev— quite a long time. that's every iev.—in- day. that's a lot. well, in aneniee— day. that's a lot. well, in america, it's— day. that's a lot. well, in america, it's february, it's america, it's february, so it's ine—ineil america, it's february, so it's- ine—inei ioes the short month which that does _anvwavv- the short month which that doesi _anywavv inev seem insulting. but anyway, they geve— seem insulting. but anyway, they geve-voe— seem insulting. but anyway, they geve-voe-i- seem insulting. but anyway, they geve-voe-i neenl gave him a you know, i mean, i insi— gave him a you know, i mean, i insi eniov— gave him a you know, i mean, i insi eniov ii.— gave him a you know, i mean, i just enjoy it. revel— gave him a you know, i mean, i just enjoy it. revel in it. and men.— just enjoy it. revel in it. and inen. nei— just enjoy it. revel in it. and inen. em vnv— just enjoy it. revel in it. and then. but why criticise at what noini— then. but why criticise at what mini-neve- then. but why criticise at what ooini-neve is- then. but why criticise at what. point-make is.making point does he make is he making the point does he make is he making ine-inei— point does he make is he making the _that-know,- the point that you know, iieniiiv— the point that you know, identity- sorts i the point that you know, identity sorts of identity politics sorts of encourage divide identity politics sorts of- encourage - divide ourselves encourage us to divide ourselves up encourage us to divide ourselves “p-sayv_ encourage us to divide ourselves up-savv-this- encourage us to divide ourselves up-say,-this time- encourage us to divide ourselves up-say,-this time is. up and say, well, this time is for up and say, well, this time is ion-eni— up and say, well, this time is for-and this— up and say, well, this time is for-and this-is- up and say, well, this time is for-and this-is for. for you and this time is for you.— for you and this time is for yon-vein— for you and this time is for you.-well, and- for you and this time is for you.-well, and i- for you and this time is for you. well, and i do think you. and well, and i do think yon-ne— you. and well, and i do think von-ne vigne— you. and well, and i do think you're right, though. the word segnegeiion— you're right, though. the word. segnegeiion—niev segregation might come into play vnen— segregation might come into play men—ines- when you say it like that. dividing— when you say it like that. dividing dividing, dividing. but i dividing dividing, dividing. but i—inei— dividing dividing, dividing. but i—inei neooie- dividing dividing, dividing. but i that people wanted dividing dividing, dividing. but i bit that people wanted dividing dividing, dividing. but i bit of that people wanted dividing dividing, dividing. but i bit of recognition ople wanted dividing dividing, dividing. but i bit of recognition ople it anted a bit of recognition and iti a bit of recognition and it- seems_me. i don't seems celebratory to me. i don't know. — seems celebratory to me. i don't know. i— seems celebratory to me. i don't know. i inev— seems celebratory to me. i don't know. i know the— seems celebratory to me. i don't know. i know the gay- seems celebratory to me. i don't know. 2 know. i know the gay month is like different month in like it's a different month in america so america than it is over here. so really, two months. really, we get two months. yeah, we do. we get well, we really, we get two months. - yeah, we do. we get well, we get all yeah, we do. we get well, we get eii-ve-ne— yeah, we do. we get well, we get eii-ve-ne agony.— all year if we're lucky. but it is— all year if we're lucky. but it is e— all year if we're lucky. but it is e ioi— all year if we're lucky. but it is e ioi oi— all year if we're lucky. but it it's a lot of work.— all year if we're lucky. but it it's a lot of work. i think, to put— it's a lot of work. i think, to mi ine— it's a lot of work. i think, to put the strategy— it's a lot of work. i think, to put the strategy together, to get put the strategy together, to gee-neeognise- get people to recognise soneining. — something. that's what i think it something. that's what i think iileioei— something. that's what i think iileioeilii-s— something. that's what i think it about it's about it is about is it's about seving— it is about is it's about seving, eon- it is about is it's about saying, look, the african anenieen— saying, look, the african american community, black american community, the black eonneniiv— american community, the black community,-still- american community, the black community, still miss, community, the us is still miss, miss—on- community, the us is still miss, iaiss—on oven- miss, whether under or over misrepresented— miss, whether under or over misrepresented media, in misrepresented in the media, in art misrepresented in the media, in en—visn— misrepresented in the media, in art—wish that's-

misrepresented in the media, in art wish that's what art and film. i wish that's what he art and film. iwish that's what ne-ieiaing— art and film. i wish that's what he-talking about- art and film. i wish that's whati he-talking about-of he was talking about instead of inis. — he was talking about instead of inis. -i— he was talking about instead of inis. -i vves— he was talking about instead of this. _i was struggling. he was talking about instead of this. 22 2 this. well, i was struggling to work his objection work out what what his objection was. you think, lee? was. but what do you think, lee? well, think kind of well, i think it's kind of iivisive. — well, i think it's kind ofl divisive. _when well, i think it's kind of- divisive. _when you divisive. you know, when you sev— divisive. you know, when you sev-neonie- divisive. you know, when you say, - people with - divisive. you know, when you say, people with this say, oh, this people with this skin— say, oh, this people with this skin eooeni— say, oh, this people with this skin colour they— say, oh, this people with this skin colour they have this month and:— skin colour they have this month eng—vniie— skin colour they have this month eng—vniie-esl and, you know, white people as if—vniie— and, you know, white people as if—vnite neonie- and, you know, white people as if white people are if you know, white people are going— if you know, white people are going-enoeni- if you know, white people are going around slapping going to go around slapping nisiom—env- going to go around slapping nisiom—env i going to go around slapping. nisiom—env , von history books out of any, you know,— history books out of any, you knon-neonie-s- history books out of any, you know, people's hands. know, black people's hands. the nest— know, black people's hands. the nest-veer.— know, black people's hands. the nesi-veen nei— know, black people's hands. the rest-year. but it- know, black people's hands. the rest-year. but it is- know, black people's hands. the rest year. but it is kind rest of the year. but it is kind of rest of the year. but it is kind oiliivisive— rest of the year. but it is kind ofldivisivelkind- rest of the year. but it is kind ofldivisivelkind of- rest of the year. but it is kind of divisive kind of agree of a divisive i kind of agree vin— of a divisive i kind of agree viin nim— of a divisive i kind of agree with him. and— of a divisive i kind of agree with him. and also african anneneen— with him. and also african american. mean, just say american. i mean, just say anneneen— american. i mean, just say american-like- american. i mean, just say american. like and also, american. i mean, just say ameknow like and also, american. i mean, just say ameknow , like and also, american. i mean, just say ameknow , people and also, american. i mean, just say ameknow , people aren't,;o, american. i mean, just say ameknow , people aren't, you you know, people aren't, you know,— you know, people aren't, you know, racially— you know, people aren't, you know, racially siloed anymore. ii-s— know, racially siloed anymore. its me.— know, racially siloed anymore. its me so— know, racially siloed anymore. it's 2023. so but— know, racially siloed anymore. it's 2023. so but you should eien— it's 2023. so but you should refer io— it's 2023. so but you should refer to people _ it's 2023. so but you should refer to people how they'd like to te— refer to people how they'd like to be referred— refer to people how they'd like to be referred to. _ refer to people how they'd like to be referred to. �*" to be referred to. so if he ioesn-t— to be referred to. so if he doesn't want to be called african american, wants to be called that's if called black, that's fine. if someone wants be called someone else wants to be called african american, have someone else wants to be called afikind american, have someone else wants to be called afikind an respect have someone else wants to be called afikind an respect title have to kind of respect that title and call them that. i want to be called progressive. that's called progressive. okay that's it. fair it. yeah. you lie. yeah. fair enouga— it. yeah. you lie. yeah. fair enough. italian— 0 / you lie. yeah. fair enough. italian really? yeah. vie-ne— enough. italian really? yeah. we're italian— enough. italian really? yeah. we're italian american. technically— we're italian american. technically elon musk is an ainieen— technically elon musk is an african american , so we all are. african american, so we all are. vent— african american, so we all are. veen .— african american, so we all are. veen . ine— african american, so we all are. yeah . the heritage— african american, so we all are. yeah . the heritage of— african american, so we all are. yeah . the heritage of the- african american, so we all are. yeah . the heritage of the human yeah. the heritage of the human race is africa . of course. of race is africa. of course. of iei-s— race is africa. of course. of course. let's move- race is africa. of course. of course. let's move on- 2 20 of course. of course. let's move on to the nevi— course. let's move on to the next gnesiion— course. let's move on to the next question. this is from

gene.— next question. this is from gene. ieke— next question. this is from jake. jake has— next question. this is from jake. jake has tweeted us. inems— jake. jake has tweeted us. inenks ion— jake. jake has tweeted us. thanks for tweeting jake. thanks for tweeting in, jake. inis— thanks for tweeting in, jake. this—because this is a nice tweet because nosi— this is a nice tweet because most-tweets- this is a nice tweet because most-tweets i- this is a nice tweet because most tweets i get are most of the tweets i get are peev— most of the tweets i get are pretty nestv. — most of the tweets i get are pretty nasty. but— most of the tweets i get are pretty nasty. but one's pretty nasty. but this one's geiie— pretty nasty. but this one's gene—ine- pretty nasty. but this one's quite _the endi pretty nasty. but this one's. quite _the end for quite nice. is this the end for eiene— quite nice. is this the end for dime-simme- diane abbott? simple, straightforward sort straightforward question. i sort of-ieiieve— straightforward question. i sort of-believe this- straightforward question. i sort of believe this story. so of can't believe this story. so eiene— of can't believe this story. so diane abbott,— of can't believe this story. so diane abbott, who course, diane abbott, who of course, sne-s— diane abbott, who of course, sne-s-ieen— diane abbott, who of course, she's been stripped she's just been stripped of the ieiom— she's just been stripped of the labour_starmer,i she's just been stripped of the. labour—starmer, and labour whip by keir starmer, and this labour whip by keir starmer, and inis es— labour whip by keir starmer, and inis e— labour whip by keir starmer, and this was a letter— labour whip by keir starmer, and this was a letter she to this was a letter she wrote to ine— this was a letter she wrote to tne onsemen— this was a letter she wrote to the observer newspaper , and now the observer newspaper, and now this the observer newspaper, and now ins-mome— the observer newspaper, and now this-broke today. _ this just broke today. and if you— this just broke today. and if you nevent— this just broke today. and if you haven't seen it, it is eisoieieiv— you haven't seen it, it is absolutely astonishing. she's seving— absolutely astonishing. she's- seving—seen saying that minority groups such as saying that minority groups such sis—gypsy,- saying that minority groups such es—evnsv, romal as jewish people, gypsy, roma eni— as jewish people, gypsy, roma and traveller,— as jewish people, gypsy, roma and traveller, people, that they inev— and traveller, people, that they inev ieeei— and traveller, people, that they they faced levels— and traveller, people, that they they faced levels of prejudice, egeiveieni— they faced levels of prejudice, equivalent to _ they faced levels of prejudice, equivalent to those suffered by oeonie— equivalent to those suffered by neooie vin— equivalent to those suffered by neooie vitn nei— equivalent to those suffered by people with red hair rather than . i— people with red hair rather than racism . i think— people with red hair rather than racism . i think jewish people racism. i think jewish people neve— racism. i think jewish people neve ieeei— racism. i think jewish people have faced a— racism. i think jewish people have faced a bit— racism. i think jewish people have faced a bit of racism in ine— have faced a bit of racism in tne nest.— have faced a bit of racism in tne past i— have faced a bit of racism in the past. i mean,— have faced a bit of racism in the past. i mean, you know, i'm noi— the past. i mean, you know, i'm noi e— the past. i mean, you know, i'm not a historian— the past. i mean, you know, i'm not a historian ,_ the past. i mean, you know, i'm not a historian , but— the past. i mean, you know, i'm not a historian , but i think not a historian, but i think its— not a historian, but i think it's happened. - not a historian, but i think it's happened. 302000 2 it's happened. well, yeah. and she said, you know, one of the reasons she gave was jewish people never made to in people were never made to sit in the bus. and i mean, the back of the bus. and i mean, she's right. jewish people had the but the train she's right. jewish people had the taking but the train she's right. jewish people had the taking them3ut the train she's right. jewish people had the taking them to: the train she's right. jewish people had the taking them to ahe train was taking them to a concentration camp. is concentration camp. so there is a bit discrimination . well, i a bit of discrimination. well, i should say in her— 0 2 92 well, i should say in her defence, she's seving— should say in her defence, she's seving-e— should say in her defence, she's seving-e oneti- should say in her defence, she's saying a draft letter saying this was a draft letter on nei— saying this was a draft letter on her computer. _ saying this was a draft letter on her computer. which on her computer. right. which sne—

on her computer. right. which sne iiin-i— on her computer. right. which she didn't mean— on her computer. right. which she didn't mean to submit to a neiionei— she didn't mean to submit to a national publication. 3200 national publication. we've all done— national publication. we've all done ties — national publication. we've all done that. everyone is anti—semitic. in the first inefi, — anti—semitic. in the first inefi, im— anti—semitic. in the first draft, but don't- 0 2. in the first draft, but don't you read don't you— draft, but don't you read don't you need— draft, but don't you read don't you need ine— draft, but don't you read don't you read the letters before you sent— you read the letters before you semi inen— you read the letters before you send them in? _ you read the letters before you send them in? 'j ' send them in? diane abbott, don't you even i think jeremy corbyn edited it for her and sent it off anyway. you think that's sent it off anyway. you think tneis ne — sent it off anyway. you think that's he was— sent it off anyway. you think that's he was leaning- 0 you think that's he was leaning over her snoeiien— that's he was leaning over her shoulder with— that's he was leaning over her shoulder with his— that's he was leaning over her shoulder with his robe on. i mean, come on. - shoulder with his robe on. i mean, come on. 2 2 mean, come on. this is. this is . you can't go back from this. well, know what? when she's well, you know what? when she's around well, you know what? when she's enoeni-ieiiing— well, you know what? when she's around-telling-how- around people telling her how greet— around people telling her how greet-is— around people telling her how great-is-corbyn- great she is and corbyn is ieiiing— great she is and corbyn is telling fantastic she great she is and corbyn is telboth fantastic she great she is and corbyn is telboth in fantastic she great she is and corbyn is telboth in out itastic she great she is and corbyn is telboth in outitasbedihe great she is and corbyn is telboth in outitasbed for is, both in and out of bed for ieeeies— is, both in and out of bed for decades,-that- is, both in and out of bed for decades, that happens, when decades, when that happens, when that decades, when that happens, when tnet nennens— decades, when that happens, when tnet neooens .— decades, when that happens, when that happens , then— decades, when that happens, when that happens , then you believe that happens, then you believe me— that happens, then you believe inei—seving- that happens, then you believe that_saying.true| that what you're saying is true .—sne-s- that what you're saying is truej —sesn ione . she doesn't think she's done envtning— . she doesn't think she's done anything—about. anything wrong. what about and all anything wrong. what about and eii—engm- anything wrong. what about and eii—engm esl all that? aren't they angry as veiie— all that? aren't they angry as veiie-ioes. - all that? aren't they angry as well?-does. - all that? aren't they angry as well?-does. she. all that? aren't they angry as well? does. 2 2 well? but she does. she did issue— well? but she does. she did issue an apology and actually it's too late. she always does. sne— it's too late. she always does. sne eivevs— it's too late. she always does. she always- i'm - it's too late. she always does. she always-i'm sorry,- 0 she always does. she always i'm sorry, my she always says, i'm sorry, my nunnensi— she always says, i'm sorry, my numbers were wrong. i'm sorry. sne— numbers were wrong. i'm sorry. sne-it— numbers were wrong. i'm sorry. sne-ii — numbers were wrong. i'm sorry. she-it was. well,- numbers were wrong. i'm sorry. she-it was. well, the. she said it was. well, the numbers a different numbers were that's a different thing. it thing. but she said that it was a draft letter she said that a draft letter and she said that she completely withdraws the statement made. ithink statement that she made. i think think did it. think she's glad she did it. i inim— think she's glad she did it. i inink sne-s— think she's glad she did it. i think she's speaking to a iefiniie— think she's speaking to a ieiiniie e— think she's speaking to a definite a block that voting definite a block in that voting gnoun. — definite a block in that voting gnoun. _sne-s- definite a block in that voting group. she's trying to group. i think she's trying to put— group. i think she's trying to nui-out—

group. i think she's trying to put-out there- group. i think she's trying to put out there and say to put herself out there and say to ten— put herself out there and say to em wing— put herself out there and say to em ving oeonie— put herself out there and say to left wing people in this country uno— left wing people in this country vno voie— left wing people in this country vno voielnen— left wing people in this country who vote-her that,- who vote for her that, look, i egnee— who vote for her that, look, i egnee viin— who vote for her that, look, i agree with .that - who vote for her that, look, i agree with that we're agree with you that we're anti—semitic— agree with you that we're anti—semitic core. agree with you that we're- anti—semitic-core. it's anti—semitic to the core. it's tum— anti—semitic to the core. it's just-gaps— anti—semitic to the core. it's tum-gens emi- anti—semitic to the core. it's just gaps and then just there's gaps and then there's yeah, this there's this. yeah, this is beyond think starmer is beyond i think keir starmer is just absolutely delighted and relieved he's got an excuse relieved that he's got an excuse to get rid of her because i mean, clearly incompetent. mean, she's clearly incompetent. she not that she can't. it's not just that sne—ine- she can't. it's not just that she-the right- she can't. it's not just that. she _the right shoes she can't. it's not just that- she _the right shoes in she can't put the right shoes in the she can't put the right shoes in tne igni— she can't put the right shoes in me nigni feei. — she can't put the right shoes in the right feet. she— she can't put the right shoes in the right feet. she had mismatched- the right feet. she had mismatched and the right feet. she had mismatched-and had two mismatched shoes and she had two left mismatched shoes and she had two iem snoes— mismatched shoes and she had two left shoes-both _ mismatched shoes and she had two left shoes-both her— mismatched shoes and she had two left shoes both her feet , one left shoes on both her feet, one of left shoes on both her feet, one oi union— left shoes on both her feet, one oi union is— left shoes on both her feet, one oi union is e— left shoes on both her feet, one of which is a right— left shoes on both her feet, one of which is a right foot. so i ion-i— of which is a right foot. so i ion-i know— of which is a right foot. so i don't know if— of which is a right foot. so i don't know if she's just so left wing— don't know if she's just so left wing inei— don't know if she's just so left wing inei sne— don't know if she's just so left wing that she can't bear to put a wing that she can't bear to put e igni— wing that she can't bear to put e nigni snoe— wing that she can't bear to put a right shoe on. _ wing that she can't bear to put a right shoe on. but also, of course, you know, starmer, you know, wants to the of know, wants to purge the left of the yeah. you know, the party. yeah. you know, absolutely. and, you know, anyway let's another anyway, let's get another question now from hannah. this is from hannah, who emailed in. can i should i be faking interviews now? this is this was this michael schumacher interview. and of course , you interview. and of course, you know, he's still comatose since his accident in 2013. but the there was a fake interview in this german weekly newspaper. i'm not going to attempt to

pronounce. oh well, dan wootton . i think that's about right. i didn't need to. i like the accent. that was that was that was gratuitous. i'm glad you could raise a hand on that, too. but the interview was fake. of ibeen_ but the interview was fake. of course, - been generated - course, it's been generated by artificial artificial intelligence. is, intelligence. and the thing is, so people behind are sort so the people behind ai are sort of one day of saying that one day we're going be to have you going to be able to have you talk your dead relatives talk to your dead relatives because simulate what because we can simulate what they respond . is this a they would respond. is this a goodidea?i they would respond. is this a good idea? i think it's creepy. yeah, it's definitely creepy. ani— yeah, it's definitely creepy. ami-know- yeah, it's definitely creepy. and know we've yeah, it's definitely creepy.- and - know we've seen and i mean, i know we've seen know— and i mean, i know we've seen knov iuzzieeei— and i mean, i know we've seen know buzzfeed, for— and i mean, i know we've seen know buzzfeed, for example, nenieee— know buzzfeed, for example, replace journalists ai, know buzzfeed, for example, replthat's journalists ai, know buzzfeed, for example, replthat's to journalists ai, know buzzfeed, for example, replthat's to just alists ai, know buzzfeed, for example, replthat's to just create ai, know buzzfeed, for example, replthat's to just create liststl, but that's to just create lists of but that's to just create lists oi inings— but that's to just create lists of things that— but that's to just create lists of things that cats do or vneieven — of things that cats do or whatever. .to- of things that cats do or- whatever. .to-better whatever. it's to make better iounneiisis— whatever. it's to make better journalists-yeah. journalists for them. yeah. aenieee— journalists for them. yeah. replace interviewee with al. replace the interviewee with al. veen — replace the interviewee with al. veen inei-s— replace the interviewee with al. yeah, that's insane— replace the interviewee with al. yeah, that's insane . yeah. and yeah, that's insane. yeah. and inen— yeah, that's insane. yeah. and inen io— yeah, that's insane. yeah. and inen io inen— yeah, that's insane. yeah. and then to then put— yeah, that's insane. yeah. and then to then put it on the front i— then to then put it on the front cover, i mean, that's somebody vno— cover, i mean, that's somebody vno neeiiv— cover, i mean, that's somebody who really maybe,— cover, i mean, that's somebody who really maybe, maybe they've got—patt- who really maybe, maybe they've goi—nev-neii got a mortgage to pay. they had a got a mortgage to pay. they had e-inei— got a mortgage to pay. they had e-inei nonin— got a mortgage to pay. they had a-that month. they- a big bill that month. they we got a big bill that month. they we goi-ioi— a big bill that month. they we goi-ioi oi— a big bill that month. they we got-lot of copies.- got to sell a lot of copies. iei-s— got to sell a lot of copies. iei-s-ve-ne- got to sell a lot of copies.- let's-we're interviewing let's pretend we're interviewing iiieneei—. - let's pretend we're interviewing iiieneei—. on- let's pretend we're interviewingl michael_. oh wait, michael schumacher. oh wait, inev— michael schumacher. oh wait, were they trying this were they trying to pass this off interview or did off as a real interview or did they acknowledge it was ai? it says at the that says at the end that it's geneneiei— says at the end that it's- generated-michael generated by ai, but michael senuneenen— generated by ai, but michael schumacher was— generated by ai, but michael schumacher was on the front, so

you— schumacher was on the front, so you ion-i— schumacher was on the front, so you ion-i-oui— schumacher was on the front, so you don't-out until- schumacher was on the front, so you don't out until it's schumacher was on the front, so you dmost out until it's schumacher was on the front, so you dmost people until it's schumacher was on the front, so you dmost people don't t's schumacher was on the front, so you dmost people don't read the quite most people don't read the iesi— quite most people don't read the iesi oenegnenn— quite most people don't read the last paragraph they last paragraph anyway, so they ion-i— last paragraph anyway, so they ion-i-inev- last paragraph anyway, so they don't-they think,- last paragraph anyway, so they don't they think, oh, don't know and they think, oh, ne-s— don't know and they think, oh, nes-nes— don't know and they think, oh, he's-he's come-hisj he's fine, he's come out of his eni— he's fine, he's come out of his coma and-he's- he's fine, he's come out of his coma and he's doing coma and i think he's doing okev. — coma and i think he's doing okev. .i— coma and i think he's doing okev. .i ion-i— coma and i think he's doing okay. .i don't think- coma and i think he's doing okay. 202 0 2

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quick. you're listening to gb aevs ieeiio .— quick. you're listening to gb news radio . on— 2 23 you're listening to gb news radio . on mark 2 22 you're listening to gb news radio . on mark dolan news radio. on mark dolan ionigni.— news radio. on mark dolan ionigni. in— news radio. on mark dolan ionigni. in my— news radio. on mark dolan tonight. in my opinion, ioiioving— tonight. in my opinion, following the departure of dominio— following the departure of dominic raab— following the departure of dominic raab from the government,- dominic raab from the government, will home secretary sueiie— government, will home secretary suella braverman _ government, will home secretary suella braverman be next in my ieke— suella braverman be next in my ieke e— suella braverman be next in my ieke e ien— suella braverman be next in my take a ten this— suella braverman be next in my take a ten this week joe biden viii— take a ten this week joe biden will announce— take a ten this week joe biden will announce he— take a ten this week joe biden will announce he wants another ioun— will announce he wants another ioun veers— will announce he wants another ioun veens in— will announce he wants another four years in the— will announce he wants another four years in the white house. my four years in the white house. my neeeiion— four years in the white house. my reaction. plus,— four years in the white house. my reaction. plus, the editor of the my reaction. plus, the editor of ine ievisn— my reaction. plus, the editor of the jewish chronicle, jake veiiis— the jewish chronicle, jake wallis simons_ the jewish chronicle, jake wallis simons on diane abbott's noniiie— wallis simons on diane abbott's horrific comments— wallis simons on diane abbott's horrific comments downplaying anti—semitism. _ horrific comments downplaying anti—semitism. also legendary eueniien— anti—semitism. also legendary guardian journalist polly iovniee— guardian journalist polly iovniee .— guardian journalist polly toynbee , ex—tory mp harvey toynbee, ex—tory mp harvey erosion— toynbee, ex—tory mp harvey iioeion .— toynbee, ex—tory mp harvey proctor , ann— toynbee, ex—tory mp harvey proctor , ann widdecombe. and proctor, ann widdecombe. and tomorrow's papers. we're live iron— tomorrow's papers. we're live inon .— tomorrow's papers. we're live inon . nine— from. nine may- - from. nine may. from. nine - may. the 20th from. nine- may. the 20th is from. nine— may. the 20th is the from. nine may. the 20th is the birthday of john stuart mill, the english philosopher and author of on liberty, which was published in 1859. and this year, may the 20th, will also be the non—crime hate incidents day of action as activists highlight police attempts to criminalise people for expressing opinions that

don't contravene any laws . the don't contravene any laws. the reason for the link with john stuart mill that the stuart mill is that the philosopher was quoted in the final paragraphs the final paragraphs of the judgement versus judgement in miller versus college policing years judgement in miller versus collemill policing years judgement in miller versus colle mill said icing years judgement in miller versus colle mill said if ng years judgement in miller versus collemill said if all years judgement in miller versus collemill said if all mankind's ago. mill said if all mankind minus one were of one opinion and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person than he . if he had, the power would he. if he had, the power would be justified in silencing mankind . so joining me now to mankind. so joining me now to tell me more about the campaign, it's family lawyer sarah phillimore . thank you very much phillimore. thank you very much for joining me. phillimore. thank you very much for joining me . thank you. forjoining me. thank you. i think we need to talk through what's with these what's happened with these non—crime points. non—crime hate incident points. a of people watching might a lot of people watching might not they are. when did not know what they are. when did they what are they? they start and what are they? well the genesis was the very tragic murder of stephen lawrence and the realisation that the met were institutionally racist . so lord institutionally racist. so lord macpherson wrote _ institutionally racist. so lord macpherson wrote a- 02 so lord macpherson wrote a report seving— macpherson wrote a report seving, vein— macpherson wrote a report saying, well, how are we going to saying, well, how are we going io ieekie— saying, well, how are we going to tackle this?— saying, well, how are we going to tackle this? and one of the key— to tackle this? and one of the key eienenis— to tackle this? and one of the key elements of— to tackle this? and one of the key elements of how we would is to key elements of how we would is io sev— key elements of how we would is io sev ve— key elements of how we would is io sev ve neve— key elements of how we would is to say we have to— key elements of how we would is to say we have to bring in soneining— to say we have to bring in something called perception

iesei—een-il something called perception. based—can't trust based recording. we can't trust the based recording. we can't trust ine noiiee— based recording. we can't trust me ooiiee io— based recording. we can't trust the police to listen to people unen— the police to listen to people vnen inev— the police to listen to people vnen inev sev— the police to listen to people when they say they're victims of racism because _ when they say they're victims of racism because the— when they say they're victims of racism because the police are noisi— racism because the police are neeisi .— racism because the police are racist . therefore,— racism because the police are racist . therefore, if anyone racist. therefore, if anyone io— racist. therefore, if anyone comes to the _ racist. therefore, if anyone comes to the police and say, i perceive— comes to the police and say, i perceive i-ve— comes to the police and say, i perceive i've been— comes to the police and say, i perceive i've been a victim of neeiei— perceive i've been a victim of neeiei mined,— perceive i've been a victim of racial hatred, the— perceive i've been a victim of racial hatred, the police must recom— racial hatred, the police must eeoni ii— racial hatred, the police must record it and— racial hatred, the police must record it and take— racial hatred, the police must record it and take it seriously eni— record it and take it seriously and investigate— record it and take it seriously and investigate it. now, that's all and investigate it. now, that's eii veii— and investigate it. now, that's eii veii eni— and investigate it. now, that's all well and good, and i think inene-s— all well and good, and i think inene-s e— all well and good, and i think inene-s e toi— all well and good, and i think there's a lot of— all well and good, and i think there's a lot of evidence that ine— there's a lot of evidence that ine nen— there's a lot of evidence that ine vno — there's a lot of evidence that the men who did— there's a lot of evidence that the men who did murder stephen ievvenee inev— the men who did murder stephen lawrence, they had— the men who did murder stephen lawrence, they had recordings of inen — lawrence, they had recordings of inen seeming— lawrence, they had recordings of them speaking very racist them speaking in very racist ienns— them speaking in very racist terms, inciting— them speaking in very racist terms, inciting violence. i ioieiiv— terms, inciting violence. i totally accept— terms, inciting violence. i totally accept that it's of use totally accept that it's of use io ine— totally accept that it's of use io ine ooiiee— totally accept that it's of use to the police to— totally accept that it's of use to the police to gather information— to the police to gather information about things which are information about things which noi— information about things which noi guiie— information about things which are not quite yet— information about things which are not quite yet crimes or union— are not quite yet crimes or which could— are not quite yet crimes or which could escalate into crimes . nui— which could escalate into crimes . iui ine— which could escalate into crimes . but the problem— which could escalate into crimes . but the problem is that the noise— . but the problem is that the ooiiee inen— . but the problem is that the police then became captured by a nieveiiing— police then became captured by a prevailing orthodoxy, which is me— prevailing orthodoxy, which is me se— prevailing orthodoxy, which is me is— prevailing orthodoxy, which is that sex is doesn't matter now . that sex is doesn't matter now. wnei— that sex is doesn't matter now. wnei neiiens— that sex is doesn't matter now. what matters is— that sex is doesn't matter now. what matters is your gender iieniiiv. — what matters is your gender iieniiiv. so— what matters is your gender identity. so if— what matters is your gender identity. so if you're a man and you— identity. so if you're a man and you inim— identity. so if you're a man and you think, well,— identity. so if you're a man and you think, well, i— identity. so if you're a man and you think, well, i feel like a inei— you think, well, i feel like a woman that must be respected and you ee— woman that must be respected and you e— woman that must be respected and you are a woman. and the reason inei— you are a woman. and the reason inei term-s— you are a woman. and the reason that harry's case— you are a woman. and the reason that harry's case then came to soun— that harry's case then came to eoun is— that harry's case then came to eoun is inei— that harry's case then came to court is that he— that harry's case then came to court is that he fell foul of inis— court is that he fell foul of this orthodoxy. _ court is that he fell foul of this orthodoxy. why? 2

this orthodoxy. why? we should evniein— this orthodoxy. why? we should explain that. harry miller, former officer who former police officer who retweeted a poem that was deemed to be transphobic and someone contacted the police and said, i'm offended by the police i'm offended by the poem. police officer visited harry miller and said, need check your said, we need to check your thinking. there were 30 tweets said, we need to check your thitotal|. there were 30 tweets said, we need to check your thitotal that ere were 30 tweets said, we need to check your thitotal that was were 30 tweets said, we need to check your thitotal that was consideredtets said, we need to check your thitotal that was considered to; in total that was considered to be in total that was considered to ie ine— in total that was considered to ie ine vonsi— in total that was considered to be the worst that— in total that was considered to be the worst that i think it was a be the worst that i think it was e song— be the worst that i think it was e song lyric— be the worst that i think it was a song lyric saying your breasts are a song lyric saying your breasts neie— a song lyric saying your breasts neie oi— a song lyric saying your breasts are made of silicone , your are made of silicone, your vegine— are made of silicone, your vegine goes— are made of silicone, your vagina goes nowhere, and harry semi,— vagina goes nowhere, and harry seii, wen,— vagina goes nowhere, and harry was said, well, that's the one inei-s— was said, well, that's the one that's closest _ was said, well, that's the one that's closest to— was said, well, that's the one that's closest to a— was said, well, that's the one that's closest to a criminal oiienee— that's closest to a criminal oiienee .— that's closest to a criminal oiienee . us— that's closest to a criminal offence . us the- that's closest to a criminal offence . us the others were offence. us the others were sinniv— offence. us the others were sinoiv num— offence. us the others were simply harry going, huh? or esking— simply harry going, huh? or asking.question- simply harry going, huh? or asking question . i mean, it asking a question. i mean, it vnen— asking a question. i mean, it vnen ii— asking a question. i mean, it was when it was— asking a question. i mean, it was when it was when they were need— was when it was when they were need-souve— was when it was when they were eee-sous i— was when it was when they were eee-sous i es- was when it was when they were read court, i was there read out in court, i was there in-nign— read out in court, i was there in-nign coun— read out in court, i was there in-high court in- read out in court, i was there in high court in november in the high court in november zom— in the high court in november zen-iieugnei— in the high court in november 2019.-laughed .— in the high court in november 2019. laughed . everybody 2019. we laughed. everybody ieugnei.— 2019. we laughed. everybody laughed. couldn't help laughed. they couldn't help themselves. _ laughed. they couldn't help themselves. 0. themselves. what's unusual about it know, even when harry it is, you know, even when harry miller the miller was approached by the police and asked, he police officer and he asked, he said, has a crime been said, you know, has a crime been committed? and the police officer said, no. and then harry miller are miller said, but why are you here know, what here then? you know, that's what i people confused i think people are confused about the police about is why are the police recording when there recording non—crime when there are to address? are crimes to address? because going stuff going back to the good stuff about the macpherson report, there operation value in

there is operation value in recording things that are not quite yet crimes because you do need to know when there might be a risk of escalation. the problem is, 2 22 the problem is, however, if you sieinen— problem is, however, if you sieinen on— problem is, however, if you slather on top— problem is, however, if you slather on top of that sensible penise— slather on top of that sensible nnenise .— slather on top of that sensible premise , there's— slather on top of that sensible premise , there's a prevailing premise, there's a prevailing onnoiovv— premise, there's a prevailing orthodoxy that— premise, there's a prevailing orthodoxy that gender identity, iieoiogv— orthodoxy that gender identity, iieoiogv is— orthodoxy that gender identity, ideology is what— orthodoxy that gender identity, ideology is what we all believe in. nov— ideology is what we all believe in. nov env— ideology is what we all believe in. now any attempt to say that sex in. now any attempt to say that is— in. now any attempt to say that is een— in. now any attempt to say that sex is real and— in. now any attempt to say that sex is real and it— in. now any attempt to say that sex is real and it matters is seen as outrageous bigotry , then seen as outrageous bigotry, then neonie— seen as outrageous bigotry, then neooie ee— seen as outrageous bigotry, then people are reported for utterly niiieuious— people are reported for utterly ridiculous things. i 0 ridiculous things. doesn't this eiso— ridiculous things. doesn't this also mean that opportune ists might use this perception based system to get one over their enemies? oh, absolutely. somebody reported meyto somebody reported me to viiiisnine— somebody reported me to wiltshire police. what they've done— wiltshire police. what they've done is— wiltshire police. what they've done is inev— wiltshire police. what they've done is they searched my tweets for done is they searched my tweets ion ine— done is they searched my tweets ion ine nones— done is they searched my tweets for the words trans— done is they searched my tweets for the words trans and just nenoniei— for the words trans and just nenoniei ine— for the words trans and just reported the lot, which is why my dog— reported the lot, which is why my dog eniei— reported the lot, which is why my dog ended up— reported the lot, which is why my dog ended up on a police ieieiese— my dog ended up on a police database under— my dog ended up on a police database under a— my dog ended up on a police database under a heading of mini— database under a heading of hatred against— database under a heading of hatred against transgender individuals— hatred against transgender individuals .— hatred against transgender individuals . so it's a picture individuals. so it's a picture of individuals. so it's a picture oi nv— individuals. so it's a picture oi my dog.— individuals. so it's a picture oi my dog. ani— individuals. so it's a picture of my dog. and i'd said my dog vouii— of my dog. and i'd said my dog vouii eeii— of my dog. and i'd said my dog would call me— of my dog. and i'd said my dog would call me for— of my dog. and i'd said my dog would call me for a cheese. and inei— would call me for a cheese. and inei es— would call me for a cheese. and inei ioggei— would call me for a cheese. and that was logged by— would call me for a cheese. and that was logged by the police. yes that was logged by the police. ves .— that was logged by the police. ves . so.— that was logged by the police. ves . so. mm.— that was logged by the police. yes . so, okay. so— that was logged by the police. yes . so, okay. so this- that was logged by the police. yes . so, okay. so this is- yes. so, okay. so this is clearly a waste of police time. let's be absolutely honest about

that. now, when harry miller took them to court and appealed this won, and and then at the home office to college home office said to the college of policing , you to stop of policing, you have to stop teaching police to record non—crime . then the college of non—crime. then the college of policing basically ignored the home office, didn't they ? yes. home office, didn't they? yes. and i'm just trying to cj” 20; 2 2 2 0 020572 yes. and i'm just trying to wrap my need— and i'm just trying to wrap my need eouni— and i'm just trying to wrap my head around why.— and i'm just trying to wrap my head around why. and the only i— head around why. and the only reason i can think— head around why. and the only reason i can think of is this inei— reason i can think of is this inn—non,- reason i can think of is this. that—now, people's that for decades now, people's iineneiei— that for decades now, people's financial ability— that for decades now, people's financial ability to earn money eni— financial ability to earn money eni inein— financial ability to earn money and their professional reputations- and their professional reputations have been tied up in this reputations have been tied up in inis vnoie— reputations have been tied up in this whole industry around hate . inev— this whole industry around hate crimes . they can't— this whole industry around hate crimes . they can't let it go. crimes. they can't let it go. is— crimes. they can't let it go. is ine— crimes. they can't let it go. it's the water— crimes. they can't let it go. it's the water in— crimes. they can't let it go. it's the water in which they've inev-ve— it's the water in which they've swum. they've been for told ieeeies— swum. they've been for told decades that _ swum. they've been for told decades that women like me are sinniv— decades that women like me are sinniv iigois— decades that women like me are simply bigots and— decades that women like me are simply bigots and so they just ion-i— simply bigots and so they just ion-i seein— simply bigots and so they just don't seem to— simply bigots and so they just don't seem to be— simply bigots and so they just don't seem to be able to take on ioeni— don't seem to be able to take on ioeni ine— don't seem to be able to take on board the fact— don't seem to be able to take on board the fact we— don't seem to be able to take on board the fact we now have a eoun— board the fact we now have a eouni oi— board the fact we now have a eoun oi enneei— board the fact we now have a court of appeal judgement that sevs— court of appeal judgement that sevs venv— court of appeal judgement that sevs venv eieeniv— court of appeal judgement that says very clearly your guidance nes—vneil says very clearly your guidancei nes—vnei io was unlawful. and then what do the was unlawful. and then what do ine eoiiege— was unlawful. and then what do ine eoiiege oi— was unlawful. and then what do the college of policing do? inene-s— the college of policing do? there's sensible code of there's a very sensible code of nneeiise— there's a very sensible code of nneeiise seine— there's a very sensible code of practise came out— there's a very sensible code of practise came out from parliament. _ practise came out from parliament. college of parliament. the college of ioiieing— parliament. the college of. policing—their policing then produced their own eonsuiieiion— policing then produced their own consultation-new- consultation on their new guiienee— consultation on their new guidance, which shows so clearly inev— guidance, which shows so clearly inev iusi— guidance, which shows so clearly they just haven't—

guidance, which shows so clearly they just haven't got it. so we snouiu— they just haven't got it. so we should explain— they just haven't got it. so we should explain really the college of policing are the body that are set up to train police officers. they're like a quango, right? they're and they created this idea of non—crime hate incident. the themselves, didn't they? and put this through they? and they put this through this didn't from home this didn't come from the home office was creation of office this was a creation of the policing . so why office this was a creation of th it policing . so why office this was a creation of th it the policing . so why office this was a creation of th it the case policing . so why office this was a creation of th it the case thaticing . so why office this was a creation of th it the case that when so why office this was a creation of th it the case that when the why is it the case that when the home office is repeatedly saying to to change to them, you've got to change your policy they're not your policy here and they're not doing it, why doesn't the government abolish college doing it, why doesn't the go policing? well,h college doing it, why doesn't the go policing? well, that'szollege of policing? well, that's a neeiiv— of policing? well, that's a really important- 2. 227’ well, that's a really important question. and i vvoneni— really important question. and i vonien-iusi— really important question. and i wonder just because they wonder if it's just because they neven-i— wonder if it's just because they haven't-anything- wonder if it's just because they haven't anything replace haven't got anything to replace it haven't got anything to replace ii-neen— haven't got anything to replace it-mean,-police- haven't got anything to replace it-mean,-police do. it with. i mean, the police do need— it with. i mean, the police do need-ine- it with. i mean, the police do need _the college. it with. i mean, the police doi need _the college of need guidance. the college of ioiieing— need guidance. the college of ioiieing is— need guidance. the college of policing is nothing to do with oneneiionei— operational decisions, but it induces— operational decisions, but it produces guidance on what's very innonieni— produces guidance on what's very important suen— produces guidance on what's very important, such recording important, such as recording crimes-crimes.- important, such as recording crimes crimes. yes. so crimes and non crimes. yes. so it crimes and non crimes. yes. so ii vouii— crimes and non crimes. yes. so ii vouii ie— crimes and non crimes. yes. so it would be quite— crimes and non crimes. yes. so it would be quite a— crimes and non crimes. yes. so it would be quite a big thing to ienoiisn— it would be quite a big thing to demolish because— it would be quite a big thing to demolish because that's the nnoiiem— demolish because that's the problem, isn't— demolish because that's the problem, isn't it? it's been in siiu— problem, isn't it? it's been in siiu-sone- problem, isn't it? it's been in situ-some time- problem, isn't it? it's been in situ some time now, situ for quite some time now, nui— situ for quite some time now, iui-inis— situ for quite some time now, but-thislreally- but all of this is really a guesiion— but all of this is really a question of— but all of this is really a question of freedom of speech, isn-i— question of freedom of speech, isn-i-ieeeuse— question of freedom of speech, isn't-because part-our. isn't it? because part of our freedom speech is that we can freedom of speech is that we can say actually, say offensive things actually, or that people or things that cause people to be or offended. that's be upset or offended. that's part it. you part that's part of it. you know, you have of

know, you can't have freedom of speech elements speech without the bad elements of . so why i mean, of it as well. so why i mean, we've now we've got a situation when a police when it's like a police state where police sort of where the police are sort of saying, we're going to decide where the police are sort of sayinyou e're going to decide where the police are sort of sayinyou can going to decide where the police are sort of sayin you can goin what iecide where the police are sort of sayin you can goinwhat youie where the police are sort of sayin you can goinwhat you cannot what you can and what you cannot say. should be say. surely that should be a priority for any government to address? iwould priority for any government to address? i would hope so, ieeuse— address? i would hope so, because-really. because it's really, really inigniening.— frightening. i kept checking viii—inev-il with wiltshire what they'd neeoniei — with wiltshire what they'd recorded other recorded and i found some other siuii— recorded and i found some other siuiilining— recorded and i found some other stuff. .thing that— recorded and i found some other stuff. thing that me stuff. the thing that upset me the stuff. the thing that upset me ine-inougn— stuff. the thing that upset me ine-inougn .— stuff. the thing that upset me the-though , was- stuff. the thing that upset me the though , was the very the most, though, was the very iesi— the most, though, was the very iesi ining— the most, though, was the very iesi ining i— the most, though, was the very last thing i found— the most, though, was the very last thing i found recorded egeinsi— last thing i found recorded egeinsi-e- last thing i found recorded against a police against me where a police oiiieen— against me where a police officer-written - against me where a police officer-written .- against me where a police officer written . she is officer had written. she is eniiiiei— officer had written. she is entitled -views- officer had written. she is entitled -views , . officer had written. she is entitled views , however entitled to her views, however vnong— entitled to her views, however vnong inev— entitled to her views, however vnong inev ee— entitled to her views, however vnong inev .— entitled to her views, however wrong they are . wow. so i wrote wrong they are. wow. so i wrote eni— wrong they are. wow. so i wrote end i— wrong they are. wow. so i wrote and i complained— wrong they are. wow. so i wrote and i complained .— wrong they are. wow. so i wrote and i complained . and. and and i complained. and. and enneneniiv— and i complained. and. and apparently that— and i complained. and. and apparently that officer was sent on e ievs— apparently that officer was sent on a days reflection course , on a days reflection course, eiinougn— on a days reflection course, although wasn't— on a days reflection course, although wasn't punished . and i although wasn't punished. and i sein— although wasn't punished. and i an, oo— although wasn't punished. and i an, i>o vou— although wasn't punished. and i said, do you understand why this is so— said, do you understand why this is so, so alarming— said, do you understand why this is so, so alarming ?_ said, do you understand why this is so, so alarming ? and they is so, so alarming? and they vnoie— is so, so alarming? and they vnoie neon— is so, so alarming? and they wrote back to— is so, so alarming? and they wrote back to me— is so, so alarming? and they wrote back to me going and seving— wrote back to me going and seving, on— wrote back to me going and seving, on, ve— wrote back to me going and saying, oh, we understand you iiin-i— saying, oh, we understand you iiin-i aike— saying, oh, we understand you didn't like the— saying, oh, we understand you didn't like the equality and iivensiiv— didn't like the equality and diversity form. _ didn't like the equality and diversity form. i said, no, no, no-iine— diversity form. i said, no, no, no-iine-ves- no, i didn't like it. it was nuiiisn.— no, i didn't like it. it was rubbish-me- no, i didn't like it. it was rubbish-me if. no, i didn't like it. it was. rubbish.-me if my rubbish. it asked me if my genien— rubbish. it asked me if my geneen es— rubbish. it asked me if my gender was the _ rubbish. it asked me if my gender was the same as the sex. i gender was the same as the sex. i es— gender was the same as the sex. is essignei— gender was the same as the sex. ivves essignei ei— gender was the same as the sex. i was assigned at birth and inene— i was assigned at birth and there-option- i was assigned at birth and there option say, i was assigned at birth and. there-optionlsay, i there was no option to say, i ion-i—i- there was no option to say, i ion-i—i nevei there was no option to say, ii ion-i—i neve e don't have a gender, i have a eni— don't have a gender, i have a eni e— don't have a gender, i have a sex and a personality. so yes, i iiin-i— sex and a personality. so yes, i iiin-i iine— sex and a personality. so yes, i didn't like that.— sex and a personality. so yes, i didn't like that. but what i iisiikei— didn't like that. but what i disliked much,— didn't like that. but what i disliked much, much was

disliked much, much more was an iniiviiuei— disliked much, much more was an individual-officer- individual police officer ininning— individual police officer thinking to thinking he had the right to neeoni— thinking he had the right to record against— thinking he had the right to record against me. the fact that i record against me. the fact that i-vnong— record against me. the fact that i-vnong vievs- record against me. the fact that i-wrong views. and- record against me. the fact that i wrong views. and just i had the wrong views. and just inis— i had the wrong views. and just inis iine— i had the wrong views. and just inis iinne i— i had the wrong views. and just this time i hadn't— i had the wrong views. and just this time i hadn't been quite neugniv— this time i hadn't been quite neugniv-io- this time i hadn't been quite neugniv-io ie- this time i hadn't been quite naughty to be criminal. naughty enough to be criminal. but naughty enough to be criminal. nui-eieeniv— naughty enough to be criminal. but clearly escalating. but i was clearly escalating. inene— but i was clearly escalating. inene vvene— but i was clearly escalating. there were three— but i was clearly escalating. there were three inches recorded egeinsi— there were three inches recorded egeinsi-in— there were three inches recorded egeinsi-in ine— there were three inches recorded against-in the end,- there were three inches recorded against in the end, so that's against me in the end, so that's eieen— against me in the end, so that's clear evidence— against me in the end, so that's clear evidence of— against me in the end, so that's clear evidence of escalation, isn-i— clear evidence of escalation, isn-i iie— clear evidence of escalation, isn't it? doesn't— clear evidence of escalation, isn't it? doesn't the college of ioiieing— isn't it? doesn't the college of policing teach _ isn't it? doesn't the college of policing teach the— isn't it? doesn't the college of policing teach the police that inev— policing teach the police that inev neei— policing teach the police that inev neei io — policing teach the police that they need to be— policing teach the police that they need to be impartial noiiiieeiiv— they need to be impartial politically and— they need to be impartial politically and ideologically? it's politically and ideologically? ii-s—eoiel politically and ideologically?| ii-s—eoie oi it's part of the police code of emiss— it's part of the police code of ethics..mean,_ it's part of the police code of ethics. mean, harry gives ethics. i mean, harry gives a iniiiieni— ethics. i mean, harry gives a brilliant example. if you're noiieing— brilliant example. if you're noiieing .— brilliant example. if you're noiieing , sev— brilliant example. if you're noiieing , save e— brilliant example. if you're policing , say, a march policing, say, a march in women— policing, say, a march in northern ireland, to northern ireland, you've got to be northern ireland, you've got to ise—vnen- northern ireland, you've got to be _when you're. be very careful when you're veining— be very careful when you're walking alongside that you're not—marching- walking alongside that you're not—marching in. walking alongside that you're. not—marching in step. not seen to be marching in step. yes,— not seen to be marching in step. yes,.absolutely- not seen to be marching in step. yes, absolutely essential yes, it's absolutely essential if yes, it's absolutely essential ii ine— yes, it's absolutely essential ii ine noiiee— yes, it's absolutely essential if the police aren't impartial, wen,— if the police aren't impartial, wen, inen— if the police aren't impartial, well, then we'll— if the police aren't impartial, well, then we'll see what nennens— well, then we'll see what nennens .— well, then we'll see what happens. millions pounds are happens. millions of pounds are going— happens. millions of pounds are goinglie— happens. millions of pounds are going-be wasted— going to be wasted on investigating are investigating things which are just jokes. well,— investigating things which are just jokes. 322022 just jokes. well, we've seen, for instance, the un, the united nafions for instance, the un, the united nations tweeted today, nations tweeted just today, i think, or yesterday, this image and i think if we can show this image, i think this is quite striking . and this is an image striking. and this is an image about hate crime. it's not just about hate crime. it's not just a comment. no to hate. and there's an image that gun there's an image of that gun within loudspeaker. the

within a loudspeaker. the implication often being that words are violence . they're words are violence. they're conflating words and violence that's coming from the united nations, not activists. it nations, not from activists. it seems police here have seems like the police here have fall line with that idea that fall in line with that idea that words can just as harmful as words can be just as harmful as violence. you think that's violence. do you think that's right? oh, yes. i mean, what's going— right? oh, yes. i mean, what's going on— right? oh, yes. i mean, what's going on is— right? oh, yes. i mean, what's going on is there's— 2 227 cj2 2.32; i mean, what's going on is there's definitely a iunoneen— going on is there's definitely ai european—know, european dimension. you know, geome— people have gone on conferences eni— people have gone on conferences and training courses. this is ieiiniieiv— and training courses. this is ieiiniieiv e— and training courses. this is definitely a campaign with a vide— definitely a campaign with a wide nenii— definitely a campaign with a wide nenii .— definitely a campaign with a wide remit . but— definitely a campaign with a wide remit. but it's so disturbing.— wide remit. but it's so disturbing. this document that i ine— disturbing. this document that i mean, the universal declaration of mean, the universal declaration oi nunen— mean, the universal declaration of human rights— mean, the universal declaration of human rights produced by the un aniieie— of human rights produced by the un aniieie 19,— of human rights produced by the un article 19, it's— of human rights produced by the un article 19, it's very clear eioui— un article 19, it's very clear eioui ine— un article 19, it's very clear about the importance of freedom of . about the importance of freedom oi-. inei— about the importance of freedom of-. that-bizarrely. of speech. that tweet bizarrely references an _ of speech. that tweet bizarrely references an action plan from zen.— references an action plan from zeie. so— references an action plan from zeie. so vou— references an action plan from 2019. so you might say , well, 2019. so you might say, well, you— 2019. so you might say, well, you eeiion— 2019. so you might say, well, your action plan— 2019. so you might say, well, your action plan is not really eenieve— your action plan is not really achieve much— your action plan is not really achieve much in— your action plan is not really achieve much in four years. yes, nui— achieve much in four years. yes, iui ii— achieve much in four years. yes, iui ii keeps— achieve much in four years. yes, iui ii neens ii— achieve much in four years. yes, but it keeps it keeps banging on enoun— but it keeps it keeps banging on non, vou— but it keeps it keeps banging on about, you know,— but it keeps it keeps banging on about, you know, speech is very innonieni— about, you know, speech is very innonieni. vve— about, you know, speech is very important. we protect. it important. we will protect. it ioesn-i— important. we will protect. it doesn't—doesn't. important. we will protect. it. doesn't—doesn't give doesn't say how. it doesn't give any— doesn't say how. it doesn't give env-oi— doesn't say how. it doesn't give env-oi vnen- doesn't say how. it doesn't give any-of when it's- doesn't say how. it doesn't give any of when it's going any example of when it's going to any example of when it's going io-inis— any example of when it's going to this discriminatory to balance this discriminatory sneeen— to balance this discriminatory sneeen eni— to balance this discriminatory speech and its— to balance this discriminatory speech and its definition of me— speech and its definition of me sneeen— speech and its definition of hate speech is— speech and its definition of hate speech is fantastically vide— hate speech is fantastically viie .— hate speech is fantastically wide . anything— hate speech is fantastically wide . anything that is wide. anything that is considered— wide. anything that is considered discriminatory egeinsi— considered discriminatory against anybody's claimed iieniiiv— against anybody's claimed identity and— against anybody's claimed identity and they mean anything,

you— identity and they mean anything, you ieeniiiv— identity and they mean anything, you ieeniiiv is— identity and they mean anything, your identity is an— identity and they mean anything, your identity is an adult baby nappy— your identity is an adult baby nennv vveenen— your identity is an adult baby nappy wearer will be protected eni— nappy wearer will be protected and someone who— nappy wearer will be protected and someone who says, well, i ion-i— and someone who says, well, i ion-i eeiueiiv— and someone who says, well, i don't actually think that's very nice— don't actually think that's very eni— don't actually think that's very end i— don't actually think that's very nice and i don't— don't actually think that's very nice and i don't really want you going— nice and i don't really want you doing inei— nice and i don't really want you doing that around— nice and i don't really want you doing that around me. that will nice and i don't really want you doihateiat around me. that will nice and i don't really want you doihate speech.id me. that will nice and i don't really want you doihate speech. accordingit will nice and i don't really want you doihate speech. according to /ill nice and i don't really want you doihate speech. according to the be hate speech. according to the um — be hate speech. according to the um so— be hate speech. according to the um so inis— be hate speech. according to the um so inis is— be hate speech. according to the un. so this is a— be hate speech. according to the un. so this is a real- be hate speech. according to the un. so this is a real problem, isn't it? because when you have i view on this is that i mean, my view on this is that the should be the police should not be policing what people say or think that that's step policing what people say or thinkintot that's step policing what people say or thinkinto authoritarianism. ep policing what people say or thinkinto authoritarianism. but over into authoritarianism. but if are going do if they are going to do that, then to do then they would have to do it completely wouldn't completely impartially, wouldn't they? we've had, for they? because we've had, for instance, extreme instance, an extreme trans activist that they activist saying that they were building snuff list of 50 building up a snuff list of 50 gender critical women that they wanted to murder. and that was posted on twitter. yeah, well, that posted on twitter. yeah, well, inei snows— posted on twitter. yeah, well, that shows exactly— posted on twitter. yeah, well, that shows exactly the- 2 2 yeah, well, that shows exactly the problem inei— that shows exactly the problem ineilves— that shows exactly the problem that.was recorded— that shows exactly the problem that was recorded by the that i was recorded by the noise— that i was recorded by the noisele— that i was recorded by the police a barrister posting police as a barrister posting neie— police as a barrister posting neie-iuii— police as a barrister posting hate-full name,- police as a barrister posting hate full name, my address, hate my full name, my address, my eneii— hate my full name, my address, my man my— hate my full name, my address, my email, my phone number. that eieeniv— my email, my phone number. that eieeniv nes— my email, my phone number. that eieeniv nes e— my email, my phone number. that clearly has a chilling effect . clearly has a chilling effect. if clearly has a chilling effect. ii i— clearly has a chilling effect. if i-recorded_ clearly has a chilling effect. if i-recorded for- clearly has a chilling effect. if i recorded for simply if i was recorded for simply iiseussing— if i was recorded for simply discussing my— if i was recorded for simply discussing my dog's liking of oneese— discussing my dog's liking of oneese .— discussing my dog's liking of cheese . whereas this man felt cheese. whereas this man felt enioiienei— cheese. whereas this man felt emboldened enough by the current euiiune— emboldened enough by the current euiiune io— emboldened enough by the current culture to tweet— emboldened enough by the current culture to tweet that he had a snuii— culture to tweet that he had a snuii iisi— culture to tweet that he had a snuff list of— culture to tweet that he had a snuff list of 37— culture to tweet that he had a snuff list of 37 prominent

genien— snuff list of 37 prominent gender critical- snuff list of 37 prominent gender critical women who were up io— gender critical women who were up io ie— gender critical women who were up to be murdered— gender critical women who were up to be murdered . and now that up to be murdered. and now that inene— up to be murdered. and now that inene es— up to be murdered. and now that now there was action, i'm glad to now there was action, i'm glad io sev— now there was action, i'm glad io save eni— now there was action, i'm glad io sev, end in— now there was action, i'm glad to say, and his membership of the to say, and his membership of ine vvonen-s— to say, and his membership of the women's institute was rather nesiiiv— the women's institute was rather hastily cancelled. _ the women's institute was rather hastily cancelled. and i know neonie— hastily cancelled. and i know neonie nenonei— hastily cancelled. and i know people reported him to the noise.— people reported him to the noise. nui— people reported him to the police. but isn't— people reported him to the police. but isn't it interesting inei— police. but isn't it interesting inei-ieii— police. but isn't it interesting that-felt quite- that that man felt quite ennovenei— that that man felt quite empowered to do that, to publish ineie — empowered to do that, to publish ineie veii.— empowered to do that, to publish that? well, for— empowered to do that, to publish that? well, for a— empowered to do that, to publish that? well, for a long- empowered to do that, to publish that? 022 0 that? well, for a long time, twitter hasn't published the sort of violent imagery that has come from extreme activists against gender critical women. they've just of that they've just sort of let that slide, will kick slide, but they will kick you off if you misgender i know that's changed under elon that's changed now under elon musk, the case for musk, but that was the case for a long time, wasn't and a long time, wasn't it? and so what we here an what we have here is an ideological capture of the people enforcing police people who are enforcing police codes. so is the solution just to police codes? oh, to get rid of police codes? oh, sorry, say sorry, speech codes. just say say want. no, say whatever you want. no, because free speech- no, because free speech absolutism is enoinen— because free speech absolutism is another kind— because free speech absolutism is another kind of— because free speech absolutism is another kind of terrorism . is another kind of terrorism. vou— is another kind of terrorism. vou ennoi— is another kind of terrorism. you cannot be— is another kind of terrorism. you cannot be free to say envining— you cannot be free to say envining vou— you cannot be free to say anything you want. i can't be inee— anything you want. i can't be inee nene— anything you want. i can't be free here and— anything you want. i can't be free here and .to- anything you want. i can't be free here and to incite free here and now to incite soneioiv— free here and now to incite soneioiv-voul free here and now to incite- somebody-you because somebody to murder you because voune— somebody to murder you because vou-ne-i— somebody to murder you because vou-ne-i ion-i— somebody to murder you because you're-i don't like- somebody to murder you because you're i don't like gay you're gay. and i don't like gay geome— you're gay. and i don't like gay neonieleen-i— you're gay. and i don't like gay neonieleen-i .— you're gay. and i don't like gay people. can't . that you're gay. and i don't like gay. people..can't . that-a people. i can't. that would be a enininei— people. i can't. that would be a enininei-eni- people. i can't. that would be a criminal-and-sol criminal offence, and rightly so |nneen— criminal offence, and rightly so ..mean, article— criminal offence, and rightly so ..mean, article ten- criminal offence, and rightly so . mean, article ten contains . i mean, article ten contains viinin— . i mean, article ten contains within-limitations. . i mean, article ten contains within limitations . within it those limitations. evns— within it those limitations. owns freedom _ within it those limitations.

owns freedom of speech is very innonieni— owns freedom of speech is very innonieni .— owns freedom of speech is very innonieni . nui— owns freedom of speech is very important. but there owns freedom of speech is very important . but there have be important. but there have to be iiniis— important. but there have to be limits. - defamation - important. but there have to be limits. defamation is limits. i mean, defamation is enoinen— limits. i mean, defamation is- another—somebody another one. targeting somebody for another one. targeting somebody ion eiuse— another one. targeting somebody ion eiuse ine— another one. targeting somebody for abuse. the first— another one. targeting somebody for abuse. the first step's got to for abuse. the first step's got io ie— for abuse. the first step's got io ie neonie— for abuse. the first step's got to be people, not— for abuse. the first step's got to be people, not just giving lip to be people, not just giving in senviee— to be people, not just giving lip service to— to be people, not just giving lip service to the importance of ineeion— lip service to the importance of ineeion oi— lip service to the importance of freedom of speech, which as case eiien— freedom of speech, which as case eiien ese— freedom of speech, which as case after case, judge _ freedom of speech, which as case after case, judge after judge nes— after case, judge after judge has-essential- after case, judge after judge has-essential to- after case, judge after judge has essential to a has said is essential to a functioning— has said is essential to a functioning democracy . the functioning democracy. the coiiege— functioning democracy. the- college _consultation college of policing consultation , i college of policing consultation , i-ves— college of policing consultation , i-ves so— college of policing consultation , i was so interesting , i think, was so interesting ieeuse— , i think, was so interesting ieeuse vou— , i think, was so interesting because you wouldn't know you because you wouldn't know if you sign-i— because you wouldn't know if you iiin-i-nisionv— because you wouldn't know if you didn't-history that- because you wouldn't know if you didn't history that the didn't know the history that the reason were consulting was reason they were consulting was ieeuse— reason they were consulting was because—guidancej because their previous guidance had-declared— because their previous guidance had declared unlawful. had been declared unlawful. inene-s— had been declared unlawful. inene-s noi— had been declared unlawful. there's not a— had been declared unlawful. there's not a flicker of that. nui— there's not a flicker of that. iui ine— there's not a flicker of that. but the problem— there's not a flicker of that. but the problem with the enguneni— but the problem with the argument you've just raised is voune— argument you've just raised is vounevve- eii- argument you've just raised is you're we all know you're saying we all know incitement—isl incitement to violence is iiiegei— incitement to violence is illegal-activists. incitement to violence is. illegal-activists are illegal. the activists are saying that their feelings saying that when their feelings are hurt, that's the same as physical well, that's are hurt, that's the same as physicwe've well, that's are hurt, that's the same as physicwe've got well, that's are hurt, that's the same as physicwe've got to well, that's are hurt, that's the same as physicwe've got to focusthat's are hurt, that's the same as physicwe've got to focus itat's are hurt, that's the same as physicwe've got to focus it on, where we've got to focus it on, ieeuse— where we've got to focus it on, because -clearly- where we've got to focus it on, because clearly nonsense. because that's clearly nonsense. i because that's clearly nonsense. i—anenieen- i mean, the american jurisprudence has quite jurisprudence has got quite a lot . interest _ jurisprudence has got quite a lot-interestlcase- jurisprudence has got quite a lot interest case law lot of interest in case law ieeuse— lot of interest in case law because they— lot of interest in case law because they their first amendment— because they their first amendment forward amendment is even more forward ininning— amendment is even more forward thinking-article- thinking than our article ten. ani— thinking than our article ten. ani e— thinking than our article ten. ani e nig— thinking than our article ten. and a big concept then, is immense— and a big concept then, is imminence ,_ and a big concept then, is imminence , imminence and imminence, imminence and nnoviniiv— imminence, imminence and nnoviniiv eni— imminence, imminence and proximity and that's what's made the proximity and that's what's made ine unem— proximity and that's what's made the current situation so interesting. _ the current situation so interesting. as the internet has become— interesting. as the internet has become ine— interesting. as the internet has become the playground where geome— become the playground where neonie nun— become the playground where people hurl these insults and

it's people hurl these insults and its noi— people hurl these insults and its noi ine— people hurl these insults and it's not the same— people hurl these insults and it's not the same as thinking inene-s—ine- it's not the same as thinkingi there's—the street there's this man on the street seving— there's this man on the street seving inings— there's this man on the street saying things that are racist or nonniiie. — saying things that are racist or horrible. somebody hundreds horrible. it's somebody hundreds of horrible. it's somebody hundreds oi niies— horrible. it's somebody hundreds oi niies-on— horrible. it's somebody hundreds of miles on internet. of miles away on the internet. ves— of miles away on the internet. yes-inee— of miles away on the internet. yes-there doesn't- of miles away on the internet. yes there doesn't seem to be yes but there doesn't seem to be me— yes but there doesn't seem to be that recognition— yes but there doesn't seem to be that recognition .the - yes but there doesn't seem to be that recognition the of that recognition of the lack of inneiieev— that recognition of the lack of immediacy proximate motty. immediacy and proximate motty. so immediacy and proximate motty. so—ve— immediacy and proximate motty. so—ve eno,- immediacy and proximate motty. so—ve eno, een- immediacy and proximate motty. so_we end, can you. so just before we end, can you ieii— so just before we end, can you ieii us— so just before we end, can you tell us about— so just before we end, can you tell us about this— so just before we end, can you tell us about this non—crime neie— tell us about this non—crime hate incident? _ tell us about this non—crime hate incident? 'j0yn 27 hate incident? day of action? what it you're us? because what is it you're us? because naively,-thought- what is it you're us? because naively,-thought after. naively, we all thought after nennv-s—inl naively, we all thought after. nennv-s—in ine harry's stunning victory in the eoun— harry's stunning victory in the eoun-neon- harry's stunning victory in the eoun-neon in- harry's stunning victory in the court back in 2021, court of appeal back in 2021, me— court of appeal back in 2021, inei-vouii— court of appeal back in 2021, that-would be- court of appeal back in 2021, that would be laid to rest. that this would be laid to rest. it that this would be laid to rest. ii eieeniv— that this would be laid to rest. it clearly isn't— that this would be laid to rest. it clearly isn't the— that this would be laid to rest. it clearly isn't the college of ioiieing— it clearly isn't the college of policing-carrying- it clearly isn't the college of policing carrying on policing are just carrying on men— policing are just carrying on inein-sveei— policing are just carrying on their- sweet way,- policing are just carrying on their sweet way, ignoring their own sweet way, ignoring their own sweet way, ignoring ine none— their own sweet way, ignoring the home secretary . so the 20th the home secretary. so the 20th of the home secretary. so the 20th oi iiev— the home secretary. so the 20th oi iiev is— the home secretary. so the 20th oi iiev is nonn— the home secretary. so the 20th of may is john stewart mill's iininiev. — of may is john stewart mill's iinneev. vve— of may is john stewart mill's birthday. we think highly birthday. we think he's a highly signiiieeni— birthday. we think he's a highly significant figure,— birthday. we think he's a highly significant figure, you say, significant figure, as you say, guoiei— significant figure, as you say, guoiee iv— significant figure, as you say, guoiee iv ain— significant figure, as you say, quoted by mrjustice knowles. vie-ne— quoted by mrjustice knowles. we're-everybody- quoted by mrjustice knowles. we're everybody arnie to we're asking everybody arnie to neke— we're asking everybody arnie to nene e— we're asking everybody arnie to nene e ieie— we're asking everybody arnie to make a data subject access neguesi— make a data subject access neguesi oi— make a data subject access request of their— make a data subject access request of their police force . request of their police force. ani— request of their police force. ani vveve— request of their police force. and we've done— request of their police force. and we've done little how to and we've done a little how to guide—cop- and we've done a little how to guide cop website. guide on the fair cop website. we vouii— guide on the fair cop website. we would like— guide on the fair cop website. we would like to— guide on the fair cop website. we would like to overwhelm the iones— we would like to overwhelm the iones viii— we would like to overwhelm the forces with these _ we would like to overwhelm the forces with these requests, and vet— forces with these requests, and we'd-vou— forces with these requests, and ve-i-vou io— forces with these requests, and we'd-you to tell- forces with these requests, and we'd you to tell us what we'd like you to tell us what you— we'd like you to tell us what you iini— we'd like you to tell us what you iini eni— we'd like you to tell us what you find and then tell us if the noise— you find and then tell us if the noiiee won-i— you find and then tell us if the police won't delete it. because i police won't delete it. because i susneei— police won't delete it. because i susneei ine— police won't delete it. because i suspect the bulk— police won't delete it. because i suspect the bulk of what's now been— i suspect the bulk of what's now been recorded— i suspect the bulk of what's now been recorded is— i suspect the bulk of what's now been recorded is as— i suspect the bulk of what's now been recorded is as ridiculous eni— been recorded is as ridiculous eno oiiensive— been recorded is as ridiculous and offensive as— been recorded is as ridiculous and offensive as what was

neeoniei— and offensive as what was recorded against harry and me . recorded against harry and me. ami— recorded against harry and me. ami ue— recorded against harry and me. ami uo ve— recorded against harry and me. ami us we eii— recorded against harry and me. and do we all have— recorded against harry and me. and do we all have a— recorded against harry and me. and do we all have a legal right to that information? to access that information? okay, very interesting. to access that information? okajare very interesting. to access that information? okajare they lery interesting. to access that information? okajare they obliged resting. to access that information? okajare they obliged to ting. to access that information? okajare they obliged to delete to access that information? oinowe they obliged to delete to access that information? oinow given obliged to delete to access that information? oinow given theiged to delete to access that information? oinow given the home» delete to access that information? oinow given the home office; it now given the home office ruling? well, this is the interesting— ruling? well, this is the interesting-i'm. 227 well, this is the interesting i'm in interesting thing. i'm in eonieei— interesting thing. i'm in contact with— interesting thing. i'm in contact with woman contact with one woman who neisei — contact with one woman whoi raised _concern raised a safeguarding concern eni— raised a safeguarding concern eno-neeoniei- raised a safeguarding concern and-recorded as- raised a safeguarding concern and recorded as hateful, and is now recorded as hateful, eni— and is now recorded as hateful, eno ine— and is now recorded as hateful, eno ine noiiee— and is now recorded as hateful, and the police are— and is now recorded as hateful, and the police are refusing to ieieie— and the police are refusing to ieieie ii.— and the police are refusing to delete it. now,— and the police are refusing to delete it. now, that hopefully is going— delete it. now, that hopefully is going-io— delete it. now, that hopefully is going-to court.- delete it. now, that hopefully is going to court. but the is going to go to court. but the nnineinies— is going to go to court. but the nnineinies oi— is going to go to court. but the principles of data— is going to go to court. but the principles of data protection, information— principles of data protection, information that's recorded has got information that's recorded has goi io— information that's recorded has goi io ie— information that's recorded has got to be accurate. it is never neieiui— got to be accurate. it is never neieiui-e— got to be accurate. it is never hateful a safeguarding hateful to raise a safeguarding concern and that— hateful to raise a safeguarding concern and that makes my alarm go concern and that makes my alarm 90 up— concern and that makes my alarm go up ioe— concern and that makes my alarm go up ioe ioni— concern and that makes my alarm go up 100 fold. has— concern and that makes my alarm go up 100 fold. has he had his ineeion— go up 100 fold. has he had his ineeion oi— go up 100 fold. has he had his freedom of speech— go up 100 fold. has he had his freedom of speech curtailed ? but freedom of speech curtailed? but this freedom of speech curtailed? but inis vvonen— freedom of speech curtailed? but this woman was— freedom of speech curtailed? but this woman was making a seiegueniing— this woman was making a safeguarding complaint so people can safeguarding complaint so people go— safeguarding complaint so people go io— safeguarding complaint so people go io ine— safeguarding complaint so people can go to the fair— safeguarding complaint so people can go to the fair cop website, is me— can go to the fair cop website, isinei nignie — can go to the fair cop website, is that right? and— can go to the fair cop website, is that right? ' 22 2 2 200 is that right? and they can get guidance on how to do this? yeah fantastic. sarah phillimore , fantastic. sarah phillimore, thanks very much for joining us. we're coming up on the show. i will be speaking to denise fahmy , who is taking the arts council to an employment tribunal after being harassed for her gender critical views. you're watching free speech nation live on .

on gb news, the people's channel. britain is watching . channel. britain is watching. welcome back to free speech aeiion— welcome back to free speech aeiion viii— welcome back to free speech nation with me,— welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle ienise— nation with me, andrew doyle ienise ieinv— nation with me, andrew doyle denise fahmy, a— nation with me, andrew doyle denise fahmy, a senior official at denise fahmy, a senior official ei anis— denise fahmy, a senior official at arts council— denise fahmy, a senior official at arts council england, is iening— at arts council england, is iening ine— at arts council england, is taking the organisation to an enniovneni— taking the organisation to an employment tribunal because she sevs— employment tribunal because she sevs sne— employment tribunal because she sevs sne es— employment tribunal because she says she was harassed being genien— says she was harassed being gender critical. _ says she was harassed being gender critical. 'ji0 2 22 gender critical. denise found herself faced with what she describes as a toxic working environment after she spoke in defence of lgb alliance, a group that advocates for the rights of same sex attracted people. denise was signed off with stress after a petition was launched on the staff intranet account that criticising herself and others with gender critical beliefs reluctant to see her career ruined without a fight. she lodged a complaint with the leeds employment tribunal in september 2022, and she's here to tell us more about it right

now. good evening, denise. thanks for coming. hi. so firstly, perhaps you could explain to people what your job at the arts council is. yeah, well, the arts council- ' 22 0 yeah, well, the arts council england gives— well, the arts council england gives oui— well, the arts council england gives out grants— well, the arts council england gives out grants to all english ens— gives out grants to all english arts organisations and anybody going— arts organisations and anybody doing cultural— arts organisations and anybody doing cultural projects and we neve— doing cultural projects and we neve e— doing cultural projects and we neve e nenge— doing cultural projects and we have a range of— doing cultural projects and we have a range of different fund sneeins so— have a range of different fund streams. so my— have a range of different fund streams. so my job is to look at inose— streams. so my job is to look at those applications— streams. so my job is to look at those applications ,_ streams. so my job is to look at those applications , advise those applications, advise noieniiei— those applications, advise potential applicants and make iuniing— potential applicants and make funding decisions. yes and we're iuniei— funding decisions. yes and we're funded through— funding decisions. yes and we're funded through government and innougn— funded through government and innougn ine— funded through government and through the national lottery. so through the national lottery. so iei-s— through the national lottery. so iei-s inin— through the national lottery. so let's talk a— through the national lottery. so let's talk a bit— through the national lottery. so let's talk a bit about- through the national lottery. so let's talk a bit about lgb alliance and what happened here. what was the specific case that started all of this? yeah, i mean, i don't know if people know about lgb alliance. it's an organisation that's— know about lgb alliance. it's an organisation that's quite- organisation that's quite a young— organisation that's quite a young organisation that was established— young organisation that was established three established about three years ago— established about three years egolnenneseni— established about three years ago represent the views of ago to represent the views of oi— ago to represent the views of some of same sex attracted neonie— some of same sex attracted neonie .— some of same sex attracted neonie . ii— some of same sex attracted people . it made- some of same sex attracted people . it made an application people. it made an application to people. it made an application io ii-s— people. it made an application to it's actually— people. it made an application to it's actually another organisation,- to it's actually another organisation, the london connuniiv— organisation, the london community foundation action, union— community foundation action, vnien nei— community foundation action, which had funding from the arts couneii— which had funding from the arts couneii io—

which had funding from the arts council to distribute to celebrate _ council to distribute to celebrate the - council to distribute to celebrate the queen's jubilee . celebrate the queen's jubilee. nov— celebrate the queen's jubilee. onine— celebrate the queen's jubilee. nov ine ies— celebrate the queen's jubilee. now the lgb alliance made a sueeessiui— now the lgb alliance made a successful application and seunei— successful application and seuneiiusi— successful application and secured just under £10,000 to do a secured just under £10,000 to do e iiin — secured just under £10,000 to do eiiin eioui— secured just under £10,000 to do e iiin eioui gev— secured just under £10,000 to do a film about gay men's lives. unden— a film about gay men's lives. unien ine— a film about gay men's lives. under the queen's reign, which oiviousiv— under the queen's reign, which oiviousiv nes— under the queen's reign, which obviously has changed tremendously and the past 50 veens— tremendously and the past 50 veens ii-s— tremendously and the past 50 years it's been— tremendously and the past 50 years it's been it's been an ineneiiiie— years it's been it's been an incredible story— years it's been it's been an incredible story that grant was eveniei— incredible story that grant was eveniei eni— incredible story that grant was awarded and there was immediately- awarded and there was immediately a kind of twitter ouinege— immediately a kind of twitter outrage where— immediately a kind of twitter outrage where people said, well , inis— outrage where people said, well , inis anis— outrage where people said, well , this arts council— outrage where people said, well , this arts council funding, union— , this arts council funding, which essentially is where the gem— which essentially is where the gneni seine— which essentially is where the grant came from,— which essentially is where the grant came from, shouldn't go to ies — grant came from, shouldn't go to ies aiiienee— grant came from, shouldn't go to lgb alliance and— grant came from, shouldn't go to lgb alliance and lgb alliance neve— lgb alliance and lgb alliance neve ieen— lgb alliance and lgb alliance have been completely vilified as as transphobic,— have been completely vilified as as transphobic, as— have been completely vilified as as transphobic, as hateful, all, you— as transphobic, as hateful, all, you know,— as transphobic, as hateful, all, you know, iusi— as transphobic, as hateful, all, you know, just an— as transphobic, as hateful, all, you know, just an appalling eenneign— you know, just an appalling eenneign oi— you know, just an appalling campaign of we— you know, just an appalling campaign of we should explain me— campaign of we should explain that because— campaign of we should explain that because the— campaign of we should explain that because the lgb alliance eni— that because the lgb alliance eno e— that because the lgb alliance eno e ioi— that because the lgb alliance eno e ioi oi— that because the lgb alliance and a lot of groups cover lgbt neonie— and a lot of groups cover lgbt neonie neve— and a lot of groups cover lgbt people have accused them of euiiing— people have accused them of euiiing oui— people have accused them of cutting out the— people have accused them of cutting out the t,— people have accused them of cutting out the t, but of course inei— cutting out the t, but of course inei nenes— cutting out the t, but of course that makes no— cutting out the t, but of course that makes no sense because inev-ne— that makes no sense because inev-ne iusi— that makes no sense because they're just there— that makes no sense because they're just there to represent ies — they're just there to represent ise peoplev — they're just there to represent ise peoplev iusi— they're just there to represent lgb people, just like there are some organisations that just nenneseni— some organisations that just represent _ and i represent trans people and

inei-s— represent trans people and inei-s-es— represent trans people and that's-as well. - represent trans people and that's as well. represent trans people and- that's-as well. people just that's fine as well. people just organise themselves, but they have subject to a smear have been subject to a smear campaign and so when campaign basically, and so when this application was approved and this twitter storm happened and this twitter storm happened and what was going on within the arts council, then at that point? the arts council at point? well the arts council at the time had about 650 to 700 members of staff . you know, i've members of staff. you know, i've got members of staff. you know, i've goi io— members of staff. you know, i've goi io sev— members of staff. you know, i've goi io sev .— members of staff. you know, i've goi io sev , ii-s— members of staff. you know, i've goi io sev , is e— members of staff. you know, i've got to say , it's a very— got to say, it's a very collegiate— got to say, it's a very collegiate workplace and very unusueiiv— collegiate workplace and very unusueiiv .— collegiate workplace and very unusueiiv , e— collegiate workplace and very unusually , a meeting was called unusually, a meeting was called for unusually, a meeting was called ion eii— unusually, a meeting was called ion eii sieii— unusually, a meeting was called ion eii sieii .— unusually, a meeting was called for all staff , which— unusually, a meeting was called for all staff, which was eiieniei— for all staff, which was attended by- for all staff, which was attended by a very high number attended by a very hiin number of attended by a very high number oi sieii. — attended by a very high number oi sieii. inis— attended by a very high number of staff. this was— attended by a very high number of staff. this was an online neeiing— of staff. this was an online neeiing .— of staff. this was an online meeting , erg,— of staff. this was an online meeting , erg, and it was to meeting, erg, and it was to discuss— meeting, erg, and it was to discuss iusi— meeting, erg, and it was to discuss just one— meeting, erg, and it was to discuss just one award and if i nui— discuss just one award and if i nui inei— discuss just one award and if i can put that in— discuss just one award and if i can put that in the context of ine— can put that in the context of me nnevious— can put that in the context of the previous year,— can put that in the context of the previous year, we'd distributed— the previous year, we'd distributed over £900 million. we neve— distributed over £900 million. we have never— distributed over £900 million. we have never had a meeting eioui— we have never had a meeting eioui iusi— we have never had a meeting about just one— we have never had a meeting about just one award of £10,000, iess— about just one award of £10,000, iess inen— about just one award of £10,000, less than 10,000,— about just one award of £10,000, less than 10,000, and was that ine— less than 10,000, and was that ine esonnse— less than 10,000, and was that the response to— less than 10,000, and was that the response to the twitter sionne — the response to the twitter sionne ves— the response to the twitter storm? yes .— the response to the twitter storm? 2409 / the response to the twitter storm? 2409 24002 202090 22 storm? yes. yeah. interesting. yeah . storm? yes. yeah. interesting. yeah. so storm? yes. yeah. interesting. yeah . so it was an storm? 2409 24002 202090 22 / so it was an unprecedented yeah. so it was an unprecedented neeiing— yeah. so it was an unprecedented neeiing, en— yeah. so it was an unprecedented neeiing, en eni— yeah. so it was an unprecedented meeting, an and as— yeah. so it was an unprecedented meeting, an and as i— / so it was an unprecedented meeting, an and as i say, i've

vomei— meeting, an and as i say, i've vomei ion— meeting, an and as i say, i've worked for the— meeting, an and as i say, i've worked for the arts council for 15 worked for the arts council for is veens — worked for the arts council for ii veens i-ve— worked for the arts council for 15 years. i've never— worked for the arts council for 15 years. i've never attended a neeiing— 15 years. i've never attended a neeiing eioui— 15 years. i've never attended a meeting about one very small. wnei— meeting about one very small. viiei vvene— meeting about one very small. viiei inev— meeting about one very small. what were they having - meeting about one very small. what were they having the- what were they having the meeting for? what were they hoping to determine? i think i mean, to be honest,- 22 2 27 i think i mean, to be honest, that's kind of mean, to be honest, that's kind oi ine— mean, to be honest, that's kind oi ine suiieei— mean, to be honest, that's kind of the subject of— mean, to be honest, that's kind of the subject of my employment iniiunei— of the subject of my employment tribunal. what's— of the subject of my employment tribunal. what's what's the eonievi— tribunal. what's what's the eonievi ion— tribunal. what's what's the context for this? but there was ieiiniieiv— context for this? but there was definitely disquiet amongst the vomionee— definitely disquiet amongst the workforce that— definitely disquiet amongst the workforce that this award had been— workforce that this award had been neee— workforce that this award had been neee .— workforce that this award had been made . and— workforce that this award had been made . and so the meeting been made. and so the meeting iusi— been made. and so the meeting iusi ioeussei— been made. and so the meeting just focussed on _ been made. and so the meeting just focussed on whether this event — just focussed on whether this award should— just focussed on whether this award should have been made or non— award should have been made or not ani— award should have been made or not and ei— award should have been made or not and ei ine— award should have been made or not. and at the time of the neeiing,— not. and at the time of the neeiing, ine— not. and at the time of the meeting, the award had been suspended— meeting, the award had been suspended right— meeting, the award had been suspended right . meeting, the award had been suspended right. ' 2 suspended right. and what happened to you then? how did you. okay so the meeting kicked off and i thought it was going to be a neutral place where we had this kind of strange discussion. but it took a very vnei— discussion. but it took a very me i— discussion. but it took a very see what i would— 2 2 02 but it took a very see what i would feel is a very iiesei— see what i would feel is a very iiesei nouie— see what i would feel is a very biased route in— see what i would feel is a very biased route in which the nosiiion— biased route in which the nosiiion oi— biased route in which the position of the- biased route in which the position of the chair of the neeiing— position of the chair of the meeting who's— position of the chair of the meeting who's who's a senior nennei— meeting who's who's a senior nennei oi— meeting who's who's a senior member of staff,— meeting who's who's a senior member of staff, he felt very sinongiv— member of staff, he felt very sinongiv inei— member of staff, he felt very strongly that the— member of staff, he felt very strongly that the grant shouldn't— strongly that the grant shouldn't have been made to the to shouldn't have been made to the io ine— shouldn't have been made to the to erg alliance.— shouldn't have been made to the to erg alliance. there were some

technicalities— to erg alliance. there were some technicalities around the grant, but technicalities around the grant, iui ne— technicalities around the grant, iui ne ieii— technicalities around the grant, but he felt that— technicalities around the grant, but he felt that the grant for the but he felt that the grant for ine gneni— but he felt that the grant for the grant should be withdrawn or at the grant should be withdrawn or ei ieesi— the grant should be withdrawn or at least shouldn't— the grant should be withdrawn or at least shouldn't have been neee— at least shouldn't have been neee . — at least shouldn't have been neee . imi— at least shouldn't have been made . did he— at least shouldn't have been made. did he give- at least shouldn't have been made . 'j 2 2 at least shouldn't have been made . j 2 2 7 at least shouldn't have been made. j 2 2 7 made. did he give a reason? he felt that they were an anti—trans and divisive organisation which is which is well , not true. organisation which is which is well, not true. yeah. and a sort of a smear . well, not true. yeah. and a sort of a smear. it's libel. well it would have been libel had he published it. slander. sorry so given that what did you object in the meeting itself . so yeah. in the meeting itself. so yeah. i mean if you can— 2 22 so yeah. i mean if you can imagine, i know— i mean if you can imagine, i know we've all— i mean if you can imagine, i know we've all been to online neeiings— know we've all been to online neeiings in— know we've all been to online meetings in the— know we've all been to online meetings in the past 2 or 3 vees— meetings in the past 2 or 3 years, so there— meetings in the past 2 or 3 years, so there was lots of mm — years, so there was lots of mm ves. — years, so there was lots of chat. yes. and— years, so there was lots of chat. yes. and i- years, so there was lots of chat. yes. and i wrote in the one— chat. yes. and i wrote in the one .— chat. yes. and i wrote in the one , inev-ne— chat. yes. and i wrote in the chat , they're not— chat. yes. and i wrote in the chat , they're not anti—trans . chat, they're not anti—trans. ani— chat, they're not anti—trans. ani inee— chat, they're not anti—trans. and there was— chat, they're not anti—trans. and there was quite a lot of onnnoiniun — and there was quite a lot of opprobrium against me from not not opprobrium against me from not noi ine— opprobrium against me from not noi ine neioniiv— opprobrium against me from not not the majority of the meeting ieeuse— not the majority of the meeting ieeuse oi— not the majority of the meeting because of course— not the majority of the meeting because of course this was a nuge— because of course this was a nuge neeiing.— because of course this was a huge meeting. there was 400 nennensi— huge meeting. there was 400 nnennensi oi— huge meeting. there was 400 members of staff— huge meeting. there was 400 members of staff there, but from some—ieii— members of staff there, but from sone—ieii venv- some colleagues felt very sinongiv— some colleagues felt very strongly that— some colleagues felt very strongly that they were and the ione — strongly that they were and the ione oi— strongly that they were and the ione oi ine — strongly that they were and the tone of the meeting got more and neeiei— tone of the meeting got more and more heated and— tone of the meeting got more and more heated and i— tone of the meeting got more and more heated and i found it

neeiiv— more heated and i found it reallyv neeiiv— more heated and i found it really, really quite shocking. ani— really, really quite shocking. ani ii— really, really quite shocking. and it wasn't— really, really quite shocking. and it wasn't it— really, really quite shocking. and it wasn't it was a very unnieeseni— and it wasn't it was a very unpleasant experience . ' 22 unpleasant experience. and vim-s— unpleasant experience. and what's happened— unpleasant experience. and what's happened since then, because you're saying there's been harassment . well well, been harassment. well well, i guess ivo— been harassment. well well, i guess two things— been harassment. well well, i guess two things have- well well, i guess two things have happened . guess two things have happened. i guess two things have happened. i iouni— guess two things have happened. i iouni inei— guess two things have happened. i found that experian acas very nenessing— i found that experian acas very nenessing eni— i found that experian acas very harassing and two— i found that experian acas very harassing and two things nennenei.— harassing and two things happened.the harassing and two things happened. the first thing that nennenei— happened. the first thing that nennenee es— happened. the first thing that nennenee i— happened. the first thing that happened was i made a complaint to happened was i made a complaint io nv— happened was i made a complaint io nv onein— happened was i made a complaint io nv enein oi— happened was i made a complaint to my chair of the— happened was i made a complaint to my chair of the organisation to my chair of the organisation io sev— to my chair of the organisation io save vveii— to my chair of the organisation io sev, vveii .— to my chair of the organisation to say, well , this— to my chair of the organisation to say, well , this is this is to say, well, this is this is unbelievable— to say, well, this is this is unbelievable that the views of iniiviiueis— unbelievable that the views of individuals can— unbelievable that the views of individuals can start to dictate vno— individuals can start to dictate vno geis— individuals can start to dictate who gets access— individuals can start to dictate who gets access to public iuniing— who gets access to public funding because that is a very siinnem— funding because that is a very slippery slope-_ funding because that is a very slippery slope. and a democrat soeieiv— slippery slope. and a democrat soeieiv .— slippery slope. and a democrat soeieiv . so— slippery slope. and a democrat soeieiv . so i— slippery slope. and a democrat society . so i made a complaint society. so i made a complaint eioui— society. so i made a complaint eioui inei— society. so i made a complaint about that and— society. so i made a complaint about that and it— society. so i made a complaint about that and it was a whistle moving— about that and it was a whistle blowing complaint and i made it to blowing complaint and i made it io ine— blowing complaint and i made it io ine onein— blowing complaint and i made it to the chair of— blowing complaint and i made it to the chair of the— blowing complaint and i made it to the chair of the arts council— to the chair of the arts council, the - to the chair of the arts council, the second thing that nennenei— council, the second thing that nennenee es— council, the second thing that happened was about three weeks ieien— happened was about three weeks ieien .— happened was about three weeks ieien , i— happened was about three weeks ieien, i nigni— happened was about three weeks later , i might have been later, i might have been a nine— later, i might have been a iiiiie iii— later, i might have been a little bit less— later, i might have been a little bit less than that. a nuien— little bit less than that. a mien oi— little bit less than that. a number of members of staff came iogeinen— number of members of staff came iogeinen io— number of members of staff came together to launch— number of members of staff came together to launch an online

neiiiion— together to launch an online neiiiion .— together to launch an online petition . against gender petition. against gender eniiieei— petition. against gender critical people and they didn't nui— critical people and they didn't name me, but it— critical people and they didn't name me, but it was very sinongiv— name me, but it was very strongly targeted towards me. but strongly targeted towards me. iui inei-s— strongly targeted towards me. iui inei-s e— strongly targeted towards me. but that's a real— strongly targeted towards me. but that's a real problem in the anis— but that's a real problem in the anis couneii. — but that's a real problem in the arts council. i— but that's a real problem in the arts council. 2 0 arts council. i mean, it's problematic enough, isn't it, for the arts council to be so ideologically skewed in one way, or to suggest that they can't fund people who have certain perfectly legitimate legal perfectly legitimate and legal views, if they're starting views, but if they're starting to, then police the opinions that are acceptable within the staff members, that's surely a huge problem . i think. i staff members, that's surely a huge problem . i think . i mean, huge problem. i think. i mean, the actual experience- huge problem. i think. i mean, the actual experience of- 2 i mean, the actual experience of the neiiiion— the actual experience of the petition being _ the actual experience of the petition being launched and unfortunately, _ petition being launched and unfortunately, the petition was nosiei— unfortunately, the petition was nosiei iv— unfortunately, the petition was nosiei iv oun— unfortunately, the petition was hosted by our staff intranet for 26 hosted by our staff intranet for ze nouns — hosted by our staff intranet for ze nouns ii— hosted by our staff intranet for 26 hours. it collected 100 plus signeiunes— 26 hours. it collected 100 plus signatures and— 26 hours. it collected 100 plus signatures and lots of revolting comments that— signatures and lots of revolting comments that were really unacceptable— comments that were really unacceptable in a workplace. yes so unacceptable in a workplace. yes so me— unacceptable in a workplace. yes so me i— unacceptable in a workplace. yes so that i requested— unacceptable in a workplace. yes so that i requested for it to be inougni— so that i requested for it to be inougni eoun.— so that i requested for it to be brought down. it— so that i requested for it to be brought down. it wasn't brought down.— brought down. it wasn't brought down. ii— brought down. it wasn't brought down. ii es— brought down. it wasn't brought down. it was kept— brought down. it wasn't brought down. it was kept up for over 24 nouns — down. it was kept up for over 24 nouns ani— down. it was kept up for over 24 nouns ani ii— down. it was kept up for over 24 hours. and it was— down. it was kept up for over 24 hours. and it was it— down. it was kept up for over 24 hours. and it was it was a

ineeiiui— hours. and it was it was a dreadful experience to be on the neeeiving — dreadful experience to be on the neeeiving eni— dreadful experience to be on the receiving end in— dreadful experience to be on the receiving end in terms of how ine— receiving end in terms of how ine anis— receiving end in terms of how the arts council,— receiving end in terms of how the arts council, which you'll vou-ii— the arts council, which you'll you'll understand is the major iunien— you'll understand is the major iunien oi— you'll understand is the major funder of the _ you'll understand is the major funder of the arts— you'll understand is the major funder of the arts in this eouninv— funder of the arts in this countryv ens— funder of the arts in this country, arts and culture in in ingieni— country, arts and culture in in ingieni .— country, arts and culture in in ingieni . ii— country, arts and culture in in england . it has— country, arts and culture in in england . it has a— country, arts and culture in in england . it has a duty to england. it has a duty to ieiiven— england. it has a duty to deliver for— england. it has a duty to deliver for equality of onnonuniiv- deliver for equality of opportunity for all applicants eni— opportunity for all applicants eno io— opportunity for all applicants and to foster— opportunity for all applicants and to foster good relations ieiveen— and to foster good relations between people. that's part of our between people. that's part of iegei— between people. that's part of iegei iuiv— between people. that's part of our legal duty under the igueiiiv— our legal duty under the igueiiiv asi— our legal duty under the equality act and under the nuiiie— equality act and under the public sector. _ equality act and under the public sector. equality, duty . public sector. equality, duty. it public sector. equality, duty. ii een-i— public sector. equality, duty. ii een-i iusi— public sector. equality, duty. it can't just decide as a body inei— it can't just decide as a body inei ii— it can't just decide as a body that it doesn't— it can't just decide as a body that it doesn't like certain vievnoinis— that it doesn't like certain viewpoints and— that it doesn't like certain viewpoints and this is interesting— viewpoints and this is interesting because that's not a eniienie— interesting because that's not a eniienie oi— interesting because that's not a criteria of funding. ' 22 220 criteria of funding. and since the criteria of funding. and since iie aime— criteria of funding. and since the maya forstater case, we know that gender critical views are protected law. absolutely. protected in law. absolutely. and seeing again and and yet we're seeing again and again, not in again, aren't we, not just in the council, but in various the arts council, but in various corporations institutions, corporations and institutions, as express those as those who do express those views i views are often demonised. i mean, wider problem , mean, this is a wider problem, isn't it? yeah. and 0 07 yeah. and unfortunately, we're seeing isn't it? yeah. and— unfortunately, we're seeing that eenoss-vnoie— unfortunately, we're seeing that across-whole arts- unfortunately, we're seeing that across whole arts sector. i across the whole arts sector. i know— across the whole arts sector. i know oi— across the whole arts sector. i know oi nenv— across the whole arts sector. i know of many case studies in vnien— know of many case studies in which particularly female practitioners—

which particularly female practitioners are losing their businesses— practitioners are losing their businesses or— practitioners are losing their businesses or they're losing inein— businesses or they're losing their livelihoods or they're gneeueiiv— their livelihoods or they're gradually being edged out of ongenisei— gradually being edged out of organised nations and you'll uniensieni— organised nations and you'll understand that— organised nations and you'll understand that the arts is nninenv— understand that the arts is nninenv .— understand that the arts is nninenv . ii-s— understand that the arts is nninenv . is e— understand that the arts is primary . it's a freelance primary. it's a freelance seeion— primary. it's a freelance sector. yes— primary. it's a freelance sector. yes reputation is evenvining— sector. yes reputation is evenvining .— sector. yes reputation is everything . absolutely. so it's everything. absolutely. so it's nesone— everything. absolutely. so it's become e— everything. absolutely. so it's become e venv— everything. absolutely. so it's become a very censor , curious become a very censor, curious eni— become a very censor, curious eno nosiiie— become a very censor, curious and hostile environment moment for and hostile environment moment ion neonie— and hostile environment moment ion neonie io— and hostile environment moment for people to work— and hostile environment moment for people to work in. and i inei-s— for people to work in. and i mean that's obviously not good for mean that's obviously not good ion ine— mean that's obviously not good for the artists— mean that's obviously not good for the artists working in that snee— for the artists working in that snee nui— for the artists working in that snee iui ii-s— for the artists working in that space, but it's not good for uiensssie— space, but it's not good for audiences either, because it ines— audiences either, because it means that the— audiences either, because it means that the arts product is geiiing— means that the arts product is getting narrower— means that the arts product is getting narrower and narrower eni— getting narrower and narrower end is— getting narrower and narrower end is iening— getting narrower and narrower end is iening on— getting narrower and narrower and is taking on a kind of the nine— and is taking on a kind of the nine oi— and is taking on a kind of the kind of thought— and is taking on a kind of the kind of thought policing and none— kind of thought policing and nonei ione— kind of thought policing and moral tone that— kind of thought policing and moral tone that is just limiting ineeion— moral tone that is just limiting ineeion oi— moral tone that is just limiting freedom of expression . 320000 freedom of expression. well, ieione— freedom of expression. well, ieione ve— freedom of expression. well, before we finish, it would be very important for you to explain where people can help you out. you've got a crowdfunder online. yeah. and where can they find that? yeah. well i'm my case. is on crowdjustice. _ well i'm my case. is on crowdjustice. if- well i'm my case. is on crowdjustice. if you- �*jsvin022 2 is on crowdjustice. if you look my un— crowdjustice. if you look my name up, denise— crowdjustice. if you look my name up, denise fahmy or you ioon— name up, denise fahmy or you took up— name up, denise fahmy or you took up iigniing— name up, denise fahmy or you look up fighting bias at the top of look up fighting bias at the top oi ine— look up fighting bias at the top oi ine anis— look up fighting bias at the top of the arts council. i do have

to of the arts council. i do have io eise— of the arts council. i do have to raise £55,000. _ of the arts council. i do have to raise £55,000. we're more snen— to raise £55,000. we're more inen neiivev— to raise £55,000. we're more than halfway there. this case nes— than halfway there. this case nes venv— than halfway there. this case nes venv sinong— than halfway there. this case has very strong merits, and i'm guise— has very strong merits, and i'm guiie nosiiive— has very strong merits, and i'm guiie nosiiive .— has very strong merits, and i'm quite positive . i'm— has very strong merits, and i'm quite positive . i'm very quite positive. i'm very confident— quite positive. i'm very confident that we can win this ani— confident that we can win this and its— confident that we can win this case. and it's important for the suiiunei— case. and it's important for the cultural sector,— case. and it's important for the cultural sector, too. i think denise— cultural sector, too. i think denise fahmy,— cultural sector, too. i think denise fahmy, thanks very much for denise fahmy, thanks very much ion ioining— denise fahmy, thanks very much ionioining — denise fahmy, thanks very much for joining me. 3 for joining me. really appreciate forjoining me. 3 2 0 thank you. forjoining me. really- appreciate it. thank you . forjoining me. really— appreciate it. thank you . well, appreciate it. thank you. well, still to come on free speech nation, local government officials try wrapping and mail . canadian politicians don, high heels. it's almost time for social sensations. don't go anywhere .

welcome back to free speech nation. it's time for social sensations. the part of the show that we devote to the very weird and not very wonderful world of social media. we're going to start with the diane abbott row. when we spoke about that earlier in danny in the show and comedian danny postal has given his verdict .

postal has given his verdict. let's take a look . okay. i'd let's take a look. okay. i'd like to make— let's take a look. okay. i'd like to make an— okay. i'd like to make an apology about the comments— like to make an apology about the comments that i've made ioiev— the comments that i've made ioiev .— the comments that i've made ioiev . ani— the comments that i've made ioeev . and i— the comments that i've made today . and i specifically albie today. and i specifically albie veni— today. and i specifically albie veni io— today. and i specifically albie want to make _ today. and i specifically albie want to make apologies to mick nusnneii— want to make apologies to mick nusnneii .— want to make apologies to mick nusnneii , ii— want to make apologies to mick hucknall , ed sheeran , ron hucknall, ed sheeran, ron vveesiev— hucknall, ed sheeran, ron vveesiev .— hucknall, ed sheeran, ron weasley , and— hucknall, ed sheeran, ron weasley , and charlie dimmock . weasley, and charlie dimmock. it's absolutely— weasley, and charlie dimmock. it's absolutely uncanny. 2409 it's absolutely uncanny. yes. veei— it's absolutely uncanny. yes. veen neve— it's absolutely uncanny. yes. veen neve vou— it's absolutely uncanny. yes. yeah have you gigged with danny? do you know? yeah yeah, no, i know him quite well. yeah, he's got a good diane abbott impersonation . yeah. yeah, well, impersonation. yeah. yeah, well, it was on britain's— impersonation. yeah. yeah, well, it was on britain's got- 2 2400 2 yeah, well, it was on britain's got talent. i it was on britain's got talent. i inim— it was on britain's got talent. i ininn ne— it was on britain's got talent. i ininn ne goi— it was on britain's got talent. i think he got through to the iinei— i think he got through to the final. brilliant— i think he got through to the final. brilliant _ i think he got through to the final. brilliant cj20ha 20; final. brilliant okay, we're going to move on now. this is the video went viral the next video that went viral this the rapper this week. we had the rapper known on earlier. out known on earlier. it turns out he's got a rival. and this is trevor holden. he's managing director of broadland and south norfolk council . batus. let's norfolk council. batus. let's see what he got up to. may's local election is 20 0. may's local election is drawing near. ining— local election is drawing near. nning youn— local election is drawing near. nning you in—

local election is drawing near. nning you no is— local election is drawing near. bring your id to make- local election is drawing near. bring your id to make your vote count. this is what democracy is all about . perfect . why do they all about. perfect. why do they do all about. perfect. why do they to inise — all about. perfect. why do they io inise iss— all about. perfect. why do they do this? it's sweet. _ all about. perfect. why do they do this? it's sweet. it's- perfect. why do they do this? 0 0 22 do this? it's sweet. it's kind of sweet. you think it's do this? 0 0 22 you think it's sweet? of sweet. you think it's sweet? it of sweet. you think it's sweet? ii is— of sweet. you think it's sweet? ii is sveei — of sweet. you think it's sweet? it is sweet. he's— of sweet. you think it's sweet? it is sweet. he's just- you think it's sweet? it is sweet. 0; 02g 22 it is sweet. he's just trying. do you it is sweet. he's just trying. no you inim— it is sweet. he's just trying. do you think there's- do you think there's a knowingness- do you think there's a knowingness about it that he knows— knowingness about it that he knows nov— knowingness about it that he knows how bad— knowingness about it that he knows how bad he is? 0; knows how bad he is? he's nenging— knows how bad he is? he's nenging viii— knows how bad he is? he's hanging with the kids. not hanging with the kids. he's not trying he's just trying to be good. he's just trying to be good. he's just trying to be relevant in some way. that's all? i way. do you think that's all? i don't what do you of don't know. what do you make of mem— don't know. what do you make of ineie — don't know. what do you make of that? reminded— don't know. what do you make of that? reminded me— don't know. what do you make of that? reminded me of- don't know. what do you make of that? 3222 2222 0 02 that? reminded me of like an advert yoghurt in 1982. advert for yoghurt in 1982. yeah, i think. yeah, it's pretty bad. i think. veen— yeah, it's pretty bad. i think. veen ne— yeah, it's pretty bad. i think. yeah, he shouldn't have eiienniei— yeah, he shouldn't have. attempted _ look, yeah, he shouldn't have- attempted_look, we're attempted that. okay look, we're going— attempted that. okay look, we're going-on— attempted that. okay look, we're going-on nov- attempted that. okay look, we're going-on non-is- going to move on now. this is seneiien— going to move on now. this is canadian politicians. they had the laudable— canadian politicians. they had the laudable raising the laudable aim of raising awareness about violence against vonen—neinoi- awareness about violence against women method they women in. but the method they usei— women in. but the method they usei inev— women in. but the method they use used drew derision from sosiei— use used drew derision from sosiei neiie— use used drew derision from social media users. so we can ine— social media users. so we can ine video— social media users. so we can see the video here. - social media users. so we can see the video here. i'll iessniie— see the video here. i'll describe it— see the video here. i'll describe it for- see the video here. i'll describe it for radio listeners. vie-ve— describe it for radio listeners. vie-ve goi— describe it for radio listeners. we've got some— describe it for radio listeners. we've got some politicians in ine— we've got some politicians in me snenien— we've got some politicians in the chamber walking around in iign— the chamber walking around in nign. inese— the chamber walking around in high. these are— the chamber walking around in high. these are male politicians,- high. these are male politicians, by the way, walking eouni— politicians, by the way, walking enouni-nign— politicians, by the way, walking around high heels all around in large hiin heels all of around in large high heels all oi ine— around in large high heels all oi ine snoes— around in large high heels all of the shoes look— around in large high heels all of the shoes look bright pink to me on one — of the shoes look bright pink to me or white. and— of the shoes look bright pink to me or white. and so they've sold ieninisn— me or white. and so they've sold ieninisn on— me or white. and so they've sold feminism or solved— me or white. and so they've sold feminism or solved domestic vioenise—

feminism or solved domestic vioenise is— feminism or solved domestic violence, is that— feminism or solved domestic violence, is that what i mean? its— violence, is that what i mean? its neeiiv— violence, is that what i mean? its neeiiv gooe— violence, is that what i mean? it's really good that— violence, is that what i mean? it's really good that they're raising awareness of domestic violence before saw violence because before i saw this , i didn't know this video, i didn't even know that allowed to beat that you're allowed to beat your wife. it's really worth his wife. so it's really worth his take on that. scott, what do you neie— take on that. scott, what do you neie oi— take on that. scott, what do you neie oi ineie— take on that. scott, what do you make of that? i— take on that. scott, what do you make of that? i think— 02 scott, what do you make of that? i think beating voun— make of that? i think beating voun viie— make of that? i think beating voun viie is— make of that? i think beating your wife is probably a bad ining. — your wife is probably a bad ining. as.— your wife is probably a bad ining. as. i— your wife is probably a bad thing. a0 0 that's my thing. no, i wasn't. that's my gig,— thing. no, i wasn't. that's my gig, ion— thing. no, i wasn't. that's my take, for goodness— thing. a0 0 that's my take, for goodness sake. the ining— take, for goodness sake. the ining eioui— take, for goodness sake. the thing about this— take, for goodness sake. the thing about this stuff i said thing about this stuff is i said nnoieiiv—inev- thing about this stuff is i said probably, they used probably, you know, they used inei— probably, you know, they used inei nnnese— probably, you know, they used that phrase virtue signalling probably, you know, they used tha and'ase virtue signalling probably, you know, they used tha and'ase virtgetiignalling probably, you know, they used tha and'ase virtgetiignallsick of lot and people get quite sick of it lot and people get quite sick of ii iesuse— lot and people get quite sick of it because it's— lot and people get quite sick of it because it's become a bit of a it because it's become a bit of esiisie— it because it's become a bit of e siisne. ves— it because it's become a bit of a cliche. yes, but— it because it's become a bit of a cliche. yes, but that kind of ining. —is- a cliche. yes, but that kind of ining.—islvoul thing. what else is it? you know,— thing. what else is it? you know, voune — thing. what else is it? you know, you're making any know, you're not making any voune— know, you're not making any vou-ne-neiing- know, you're not making any. you're-making-better you're not making things better ._gaggny,- . no, you're not, actually, iesuse— . no, you're not, actually, because-hard. . no, you're not, actually,j because-hard to because it's quite hard to eiiness— because it's quite hard to address-issue. because it's quite hard to. address-issue like address a serious issue like ionesiis—ii-si address a serious issue like- domestic_it's hard address a serious issue like- dowalk c_it's hard address a serious issue like- dowalk in_it's hard address a serious issue like dowalk in heels it's hard address a serious issue like- dowalk in-heels.it'swell, to walk in high heels to. well, iiei— to walk in high heels to. well, iiei is— to walk in high heels to. well, that is true. yeah. - to walk in high heels to. well, that is true. yeah. it- to walk in high heels to. 322200 yeah. 0 that is true. yeah. it ruins your feet, but it was always the person in the front of the line, arguably could be the head of the that the council or whoever that is. yes. a and prancing. yeah. it yes. is a and prancing. yeah. it looks insulting a little it looks insulting a little bit. it looks insulting a little bit. it looks women looks like he's mocking women a little they all are little bit. yeah. they all are mocking that. but then mocking women in that. but then when you in mocking women in that. but then vnen vou-in iign— mocking women in that. but then when you-in high heels,- when you walk in hiin heels, it's when you walk in high heels, it's difficult— when you walk in high heels, it's difficult to— when you walk in high heels, it's difficult to walk any it's difficult to walk in any oiien— it's difficult to walk in any other-than— it's difficult to walk in any other than prance. isn't other way than a prance. isn't it? other way than a prance. isn't iii-ieseuse— other way than a prance. isn't it?-because it's- other way than a prance. isn't it? because it's hard. it? like, because it's hard. is— it? like, because it's hard. ii-s—siiiis. l it's like wearing stilts. yeah, eisoiuieiv. — it's like wearing stilts. yeah, absolutely. think i think absolutely. but i think i think

you're very you're both being very dismissive this. and, you dismissive of this. and, you know, mocking know, people have been mocking this, one action this, but this one action actually completely ended domestic yeah. domestic violence. yeah. so i think round of applause to think a round of applause to these politicians be these canadian politicians be applauding there there applauding all alone there there i yeah. applauding all alone there there i yeah . okay. and i think. yeah. okay. and iineiiv— i think. yeah. okay. and finallyv vnv— i think. yeah. okay. and finally, why did- yeah. okay. and finally, why did hollywood star ieui— finally, why did hollywood star ieui austi— finally, why did hollywood star paul rudd turn— finally, why did hollywood star paul rudd turn up in a pub in vvnexnene— paul rudd turn up in a pub in wrexham? apparently it's soneining— wrexham? apparently it's something to— wrexham? apparently it's something to do with football, vnisn— something to do with football, vnisn is— something to do with football, vnisn is noi— something to do with football, which is not my— something to do with football, which is not my favourite suit-ess— which is not my favourite subject nui— which is not my favourite subject, but let's have a look. anvvev— subject, but let's have a look. anvvev .— subject, but let's have a look. anvvev . on— subject, but let's have a look. anvvev . on iv— subject, but let's have a look. anyway . oh by the way . anyway. oh by the way. ivemvnene— anyway. oh by the way. everywhere we go , kwasi . okay, everywhere we go, kwasi. okay, so ieui— everywhere we go, kwasi. okay, so ieui austi— everywhere we go, kwasi. okay, so ieui isuii .— everywhere we go, kwasi. okay, so paul rudd , what was he in? so paul rudd, what was he in? even— so paul rudd, what was he in? ivenv voen— so paul rudd, what was he in? ivenv veei. ie— so paul rudd, what was he in? every yeah, he was— so paul rudd, what was he in? every yeah, he was in- so paul rudd, what was he in? every yeah, he was in the- so paul rudd, what was he in? 2400 2 2 250 every yeah, he was in the 30 year old virgin . was he. i think year old virgin. was he. i think so, yeah. he's one of those seieiniiies— so, yeah. he's one of those celebrities that— so, yeah. he's one of those celebrities that you - «20 2 he's one of those celebrities that you see him even— celebrities that you see him even nov— celebrities that you see him even eni— celebrities that you see him every now and then and he's innocuous. yeah,— every now and then and he's innocuous. yeah, he's not i mean in— innocuous. yeah, he's not i mean in noi— innocuous. yeah, he's not i mean in noi ieing— innocuous. yeah, he's not i mean i'm not being offensive. i mean, vou— i'm not being offensive. i mean, you ion-i— i'm not being offensive. i mean, you eon-i neeiiv— i'm not being offensive. i mean, you don't really recognise him. veen— — you don't really recognise him. veen— nes- you don't really recognise him. yeah_ he's beenl you don't really recognise him.| yeah_ he's been in yeah particularly. he's been in a stuff. he's done a lot a lot of stuff. he's done a lot of stuff. what's he doing here? seieineiing— of stuff. what's he doing here? celebrating.football- celebrating a football match. it's celebrating a football match. its—so,- celebrating a football match. ii-s—so, isvenl it's an old thing. so, ryan isevnoiis— it's an old thing. so, ryan reynolds owns— it's an old thing. so, ryan- reynolds owns-along reynolds owns wrexham, along

viin — reynolds owns wrexham, along viin _sios- reynolds owns wrexham, along viii—esions. - reynolds owns wrexham, along with _actors . i - reynolds owns wrexham, along. with—actors . i think with some other actors. i think iiienese— with some other actors. i think iiienese .— with some other actors. i think iiienese . ine— with some other actors. i think liberace , the dog that played liberace, the dog that played lassie and. yeah and some of the animations in toy story owned wrexham. and it's a football club and they beat borehamwood out and it's big news apparently. and they're real ieenns— apparently. and they're real ieenns ane— apparently. and they're real teams. are they— apparently. and they're real teams. are they ?- 22; and they're real teams. are they ? the real teams teams. are they? the real teams play— teams. are they? the real teams niev iooiieii— teams. are they? the real teams nieviooiieii. — teams. are they? the real teams play football . they— teams. are they? the real teams play football . 222a 2 222 play football. they scored goals. okay so it's actually a real sporting underdog story which which is handy because they've already got an introduction. okay. well, it's guiie— introduction. okay. well, it's guiie sieen— introduction. okay. well, it's quite clear that— 222 okay. well, it's quite clear that nobody 22 2 okay. well, it's quite clear that nobody on this nenei— quite clear that nobody on this nenei anovs— quite clear that nobody on this panel knows anything about iooiieii— panel knows anything about football, so— panel knows anything about football, so we'll quickly move on io— football, so we'll quickly move on io inis— football, so we'll quickly move on io inis nen— football, so we'll quickly move on to this part of— football, so we'll quickly move on to this part of the show. we nonneiiv—oii normally talk through some of you— normally talk through some of your-dilemmas- normally talk through some of your dilemmas and you your unfiltered dilemmas and you neve—eneiiei- your unfiltered dilemmas and you have—emailed in- your unfiltered dilemmas and you have emailed in your have very kindly emailed in your nnoiiens—is- have very kindly emailed in your problems—is froml problems. this first one is from jack— problems. this first one is from jack eni— problems. this first one is from iesi eni ne-s— problems. this first one is from jack and he's actually said, snouii— jack and he's actually said, snouii i— jack and he's actually said, snouii i buy— jack and he's actually said, should i buy louis schaefer's seieniene— should i buy louis schaefer's seieniene i— should i buy louis schaefer's calendar? i think— should i buy louis schaefer's calendar? i think he's really iisiv— calendar? i think he's really dishvv nui— calendar? i think he's really dishvv iui in— calendar? i think he's really dishy, but i'm a— calendar? i think he's really dishy, but i'm a non—militant vegen— dishy, but i'm a non—militant vegen iv— dishy, but i'm a non—militant vegen iv ine— dishy, but i'm a non—militant vegan, by the way. he won't like me— vegan, by the way. he won't like me nisiune— vegan, by the way. he won't like that picture because that was ieione— that picture because that was ieione ne— that picture because that was before he lost— that picture because that was before he lost all the weight. are before he lost all the weight. ane vou— before he lost all the weight. ane vou suns— before he lost all the weight. are you sure ? i'm. - before he lost all the weight. '22; 9.22; 7 i'm. are you sure? i'm. i'm pretty sure . obviously from last week, sure. obviously from last week, right? yeah. yeah louis schaefer nes. — right? yeah. yeah louis schaefer nes. nes— right? yeah. yeah louis schaefer has. he's created— right? yeah. yeah louis schaefer has. he's created this— 2227 / / louis schaefer has. he's created this calendar ion.— has. he's created this calendar ion. is— has. he's created this calendar ion. is venv— has. he's created this calendar ion. is venv-i- has. he's created this calendar for. it's very i don't for. it's very bizarre. i don't neeiiv— for. it's very bizarre. i don't

really understand what it is. in — really understand what it is. in mi— really understand what it is. in noi guiie— really understand what it is. i'm not quite sure— really understand what it is. i'm not quite sure why- really understand what it is. i'm not quite sure why it's funny, is funny. but i funny, but it is funny. but i can't why. it is kind of can't tell why. it is kind of iunnv.— can't tell why. it is kind of iunnv. een.— can't tell why. it is kind of funny. yeah. yeah.- 2.02 0 it is kind of funny. yeah. yeah. do we have iine— funny. yeah. yeah. do we have time-another— funny. yeah. yeah. do we have time another unfiltered time for another unfiltered iiiennee— time for another unfiltered dilemma? apparently we don't. so going— dilemma? apparently we don't. so going io— dilemma? apparently we don't. so going io iusi— dilemma? apparently we don't. so we're going to just about we're going to just chat about iouis— we're going to just chat about louis schaefer— we're going to just chat about louis schaefer another £33 louis schaefer for another £33 for louis schaefer for another £33 ion e— louis schaefer for another £33 for a calendar— louis schaefer for another £33 for a calendar is— louis schaefer for another £33 for a calendar is just i'd buy it for a calendar is just i'd buy ii i— for a calendar is just i'd buy ii ii ii— for a calendar is just i'd buy ii ii ii es— for a calendar is just i'd buy it if it was a— for a calendar is just i'd buy it if it was a tenner, but enneneniiv— it if it was a tenner, but apparently more than apparently that's more than it sosis— apparently that's more than it costs-publish. _ apparently that's more than it costs publish. i costs to publish. by the way. i snouii— costs to publish. by the way. i snouii sev— costs to publish. by the way. i should say-louis- costs to publish. 5g i should say louis schaefer, should say that louis schaefer, the should say that louis schaefer, ine—eiil the reason why he's lost all inis— the reason why he's lost all inis veigni— the reason why he's lost all this weight because he only this weight is because he only eeis— this weight is because he only eeis-eni— this weight is because he only eats-and.meat.| eats meat now and all meat. veen. — eats meat now and all meat. veen. _m— eats meat now and all meat. yeah.-he does- eats meat now and all meat. yeah. he does every day yeah. and all he does every day onis-— yeah. and all he does every day onis- nosi— yeah. and all he does every day on-is post images- yeah. and all he does every day on is post images of raw on twitter is post images of raw neei— on twitter is post images of raw neei-eggs— on twitter is post images of raw neei-eggs eni- on twitter is post images of raw meat eggs and say, look meat with raw eggs and say, look at meat with raw eggs and say, look ei-ineeiiesi.— meat with raw eggs and say, look at-breakfast,-how- at my breakfast, look how vonieniui— at my breakfast, look howi wonderful._the at my breakfast, look how- wonderful. _the yolks wonderful. i only eat the yolks and he's not sure why is it going to break into song. but yes, eats the yolks and yes, he only eats the yolks and raw is controlling raw meat and he is controlling his kidney. and by way, if his kidney. and by the way, if you— his kidney. and by the way, if you veni— his kidney. and by the way, if you veni io— his kidney. and by the way, if you want to see— his kidney. and by the way, if you want to see what- 2 2 222a and by the way, if you want to see what louis ssneeien— you want to see what louis schaefer looks— you want to see what louis schaefer looks like, he's going to schaefer looks like, he's going iolnene— schaefer looks like, he's going iolnene-on- to be here tonight on headliners.- to be here tonight on headliners. make to be here tonight on headliners-make that to be here tonight on hea watch ...make that to be here tonight on hea watch that. nake that to be here tonight on hea watch that. nakethankthat you watch that. but thank you for you watch that. but thank you ion—inee- you watch that. but thank you for- free speech i for joining us for free speech aeiion— for joining us for free speech aeiion on— for joining us for free speech nation on .was- for joining us for free speech nation on was week for joining us for free speech- nation on .was .week when nation on this was the week when iioninis— nation on this was the week when i>oninis iseei— nation on this was the week when dominic raab lost— nation on this was the week when dominic raab lost his job. elon musi— dominic raab lost his job. elon iiusi iosi— dominic raab lost his job. elon musk lost-rocket- dominic raab lost his job. elon musk lost rocket we lost musk lost his rocket and we lost the musk lost his rocket and we lost ine—inene. - the brilliant hello there. vieisome— the brilliant hello there. welcome - latest . the brilliant hello there. - welcome-latest update welcome to your latest update from fryston jonathan from the metal fryston jonathan vautrey. after a mixed setup throughout the weekend, are throughout the weekend, we are going retain that theme at

going to retain that theme at least into the start of new least into the start of the new working week well. low working week as well. low pressure going to pressure is still going to be with monday, even though with us into monday, even though it's its way off it's slowly drifting its way off to is allowing, to the east. it is allowing, though, feed of northerly air though, a feed of northerly air to in. so to push its way in. so temperatures are going to be falling much all falling down for pretty much all of will allow snow to of us. that will allow snow to fall over the grampians and higher of scotland higher ground of scotland throughout night's throughout saturday night's sleep lower levels as well. sleep to lower levels as well. further rain for northern ireland, generally across ireland, but generally across england wales showers england and wales the showers will off a bit more, will fade off a bit more, allowing clearer intervals allowing some clearer intervals to develop and a patchy frost is possible particularly across possible, particularly across some scotland some central areas of scotland and the rain from northern ireland will shift its way into wales and southwest england as we throughout monday. motty we head throughout monday. motty evening. cloud will evening. and then the cloud will build southern build into central and southern areas later on into build into central and southern arec'afternoon. later on into build into central and southern arec'afternoon. someer on into build into central and southern arec'afternoon. some clearer,o the afternoon. some clearer, sunnier intervals for the northern half of the uk, but still with a scattering of showers, particularly in the north and the east, where they could it is could still be wintry, it is going quite blustery going to be quite blustery across and eastern across northern and eastern coasts throughout and coasts throughout monday and feeling quite chilly if feeling really quite chilly if you are exposed that cold you are exposed to that cold even underneath the persistent

cloud further south as well . cloud further south as well. this rain then pushing its way through for monday evening. a through for monday evening. so a damp end to the day, particularly across parts of sussex but eventually sussex and kent, but eventually clearing way off. and a clearing its way off. and a number of clear intervals will develop monday night. that, develop into monday night. that, though, going to allow though, is going to allow temperatures to really plummet . temperatures to really plummet. and expecting a much more and we are expecting a much more widespread and widespread frost to develop and really quite a cold start to tuesday morning. it does, though , mean that there'll be a good amount of sunshine to start off the day and once that helps heat things bit more, will be things up a bit more, it will be a more pleasant day, a relatively more pleasant day, particularly to monday a relatively more pleasant day, parti a larly to monday a relatively more pleasant day, parti a good to monday a relatively more pleasant day, parti a good amount to monday a relatively more pleasant day, parti a good amount ofo monday a relatively more pleasant day, parti a good amount of sunnyjay with a good amount of sunny intervals. for many, the winds easing down the east as well, easing down in the east as well, but still a scattering of showers to contend with. the outbreaks to return outbreaks of rain look to return as we move towards the middle part but part of the week. but temperatures will also be on the rise by .

illegal migration is perfectly fair and proper. at the same time, we need to know what those safe and legal routes the government wants to adopt are going to be. what they look like. labour's shadow trade secretary, nick thomas—symonds, making sure where there are these very serious situations, there are still staff available . it's also one of the reasons i inim— . it's also one of the reasons i inini unv— . it's also one of the reasons i think why public— it's also one of the reasons i think why public opinion has neneinei— think why public opinion has remained so— think why public opinion has remained so strong . in favour of remained so strong. in favour of vneie— remained so strong. in favour of vneie ei— remained so strong. in favour of vneie oi oun— remained so strong. in favour of what? of our nhs— remained so strong. in favour of what? of our nhs staff and a min— what? of our nhs staff and a iein ieei— what? of our nhs staff and a fair deal for— what? of our nhs staff and a fair deal for them. conservative- fair deal for them. conservative mp. fair deal for them. conservative mp stephen hammond. i don't really regard these people as journalists . i regard people as journalists. i regard them as scam i regard them as scam merchants who , you them as scam merchants who, you know.— them as scam merchants who, you know. ii— them as scam merchants who, you know. ii inev-ve— them as scam merchants who, you know, if they've done that to my sonsiiiuenis— know, if they've done that to my constituents, i'd _ know, if they've done that to my constituents, i'd be— know, if they've done that to my constituents, i'd be on to the iso— constituents, i'd be on to the iso ining— constituents, i'd be on to the iso iming io— constituents, i'd be on to the ico trying to make sure that inev— ico trying to make sure that inev-snui— ico trying to make sure that they-shut down. - ico trying to make sure that they shut down. all that