it's 930 on monday, the 24th. welcome to the point on gb - it's 930 on monday, the 24th. welcome to the point on gb news. welcome to the point on gb news with— welcome to the point on gb news with me— welcome to the point on gb news with me, andrew— welcome to the point on gb news with me, andrew pierce and bev turne— with me, andrew pierce and bev mme busy— with me, andrew pierce and bev turner busy show— with me, andrew pierce and bev turner busy show this monday morning. — turner busy show this monday morning. of— turner busy show this monday morning. o” (in turner busy show this monday morning. f morning. of course, brits stranded after diplomats and their families are airlifted out. pressure is growing on the government to save those still stuck in sudan and those eco militants. they stuck in sudan and those eco militants . they never learn, do militants. they never learn, do they?— militants. they never learn, do they? they-re— militants. they never learn, do they? they're now— c they never learn, do they? they're now threatening to target— they? they're now threatening to hereeh hses— they? they're now threatening to target horses on— they? they're now threatening to target horses on parade at the

coronation— target horses on parade at the coronation as— target horses on parade at the coronation as just— target horses on parade at the coronation as just stop oil hhhg— coronation as just stop oil bring gridlock— coronation as just stop oil bring gridlock to the capital, hm— bring gridlock to the capital, will britain's— bring gridlock to the capital, will britain's first female hhesh— will britain's first female hhesh hp— will britain's first female black mp be— will britain's first female black mp be kicked out of the labour— black mp be kicked out of the labour party? _ black mp be kicked out of the labour party? �*vwhz; cc black mp be kicked out of the labour party? �*vwhz; cc 92; labour party? we'll get the latest on the abbott letter race round . and how was the alert for round. and how was the alert for you?— round. and how was the alert for you? oh— round. and how was the alert for youe oh you— round. and how was the alert for youe oh you geo— round. and how was the alert for you? did you get one?— 2 and how was the alert for you? did you get one? did you get you? did you get one? did you geo shoe— you? did you get one? did you gee shoe were— you? did you get one? did you get two? we're going to discuss if there— get two? we're going to discuss h rhere ore— get two? we're going to discuss if there are red— get two? we're going to discuss if there are red faces in whitehall— if there are red faces in whitehall over the red alert. t hey— whitehall over the red alert. rhey ooh-r— whitehall over the red alert. they don't care— whitehall over the red alert. they don't care about me because i they don't care about me because r hon-r— they don't care about me because r oroh-r ger— they don't care about me because r oroh-r oer one— they don't care about me because i didn't get one at— they don't care about me because i didn't get one at ._ they don't care about me because i didn't get one at . all albie i didn't get one at. all albie rhor-s— i didn't get one at. all albie rhor-s reso— i didn't get one at. all albie that's just awful. �*" i didn't get one at. all albie that'sjust awful. �*" that's just awful. if they've been— that's just awful. if they've been the zombie apocalypse, you'd have had no idea. andrew i'd had no chance— you'd have had no idea. andrew i'd had no chance of— andrew i'd had no chance of being eaten ohve. — i'd had no chance of being eaten one how— i'd had no chance of being eaten alive. now let— i'd had no chance of being eaten alive. now let us— i'd had no chance of being eaten alive. now let us know- i'd had no chance of being eaten alive. \rany “a alive. now let us know what you think. please tell us your experience of this alert yesterday. we talked a lot about this, didn't we, in the run up to yesterday? want to know this, didn't we, in the run up to yeit:erday? want to know this, didn't we, in the run up to yeit went? want to know this, didn't we, in the run up to yeit went for want to know this, didn't we, in the run up to yeit went for you. nt to know this, didn't we, in the run up to yeit went for you. gbo know this, didn't we, in the run up to yeit went for you. gb views/ this, didn't we, in the run up to yeit went for you. gb views at how it went for you. gb views at gbnews.uk is the email address. plus, lots more this morning. but all, here are your but first of all, here are your news headlines tamsin news headlines with tamsin roberts . bev

news headlines with tamsin roberts. bev thank you . good roberts. bev thank you. good morning from the— roberts. bev thank you. good morning from the gb- t good morning from the gb newsroom. it's morning from the gb newsroom. rr-s sor— morning from the gb newsroom. rr-s sor- drone— morning from the gb newsroom. it's 931. diane abbott_ morning from the gb newsroom. it's 931. diane abbott has- morning from the gb newsroom. it's 931. diane abbott has been suspended as a labour mp pending an investigation after she claimed jewish people are not subject to racism . in an article subject to racism. in an article for rhe— subject to racism. in an article for the observer— t ”ec. in an article for the observer newspaper t ”e�*yi in an article for the observer newspaper , t ”at in an article for the observer newspaper , the for the observer newspaper, the former— for the observer newspaper, the former shadow— for the observer newspaper, the former shadow health secretary soro— former shadow health secretary sore reorsh— former shadow health secretary said jewish people experience orer-horse— said jewish people experience orer-horse rhe— said jewish people experience prejudice like irish or red heooeo— prejudice like irish or red headed people, but not racism . headed people, but not racism. she— headed people, but not racism. she hos— headed people, but not racism. she has since— headed people, but not racism. she has since withdrawn the erhorsh— she has since withdrawn the remarks and— she has since withdrawn the remarks and apologised for any offense— remarks and apologised for any offence caused— remarks and apologised for any offence caused ._ remarks and apologised for any offence caused . scotland's first offence caused. scotland's first rrhrsrer— offence caused. scotland's first minister will— offence caused. scotland's first minister will meet— offence caused. scotland's first minister will meet prime rrhrsrer— minister will meet prime minister rishi _ minister will meet prime minister rishi sunak later this evening— minister rishi sunak later this evening for— minister rishi sunak later this evening for the— minister rishi sunak later this evening for the first time in person— evening for the first time in person shoe— evening for the first time in person since taking office . person since taking office. homeo— person since taking office. humza yousaf_ person since taking office. humza yousaf is expected to orsouss— humza yousaf is expected to orsouss rhe— humza yousaf is expected to discuss the tax— humza yousaf is expected to discuss the tax rise on scotch whisky— discuss the tax rise on scotch whrshy eno— discuss the tax rise on scotch whisky and energy support for the whisky and energy support for he drinks— whisky and energy support for the drinks industry. the meeting rohows— the drinks industry. the meeting rohows o— the drinks industry. the meeting follows a scottish— the drinks industry. the meeting follows a scottish government's announcement— follows a scottish government's announcement to _ follows a scottish government's announcement to launch a legal ohohehge— announcement to launch a legal ohohehge oer— announcement to launch a legal challenge over westminster's hhooh— challenge over westminster's hrooh oh— challenge over westminster's hrooh oh hrs— challenge over westminster's block on its controversial gehoer— block on its controversial gender reforms. the proposals, whroh— gender reforms. the proposals, whroh horro— gender reforms. the proposals, which would allow people in soorroho— which would allow people in soorroho ro— which would allow people in scotland to self— which would allow people in scotland to self identify their sex, were passed— scotland to self identify their sex, were passed by the scottish rorhorhehr— sex, were passed by the scottish parliament last— sex, were passed by the scottish parliament last year. sex, were passed by the scottish parliament last year . they were parliament last year. they were booked— parliament last year. they were hrooheo hy— parliament last year. they were blocked by the _ parliament last year. they were blocked by the uk— parliament last year. they were

blocked by the uk government rherr— blocked by the uk government over their potential impact on uk whoe— over their potential impact on uk wide equality— over their potential impact on uk wide equality laws . ministers uk wide equality laws. ministers hove— uk wide equality laws. ministers have here— uk wide equality laws. ministers have held further— uk wide equality laws. ministers have held further emergency rooms— have held further emergency rorhs oer— have held further emergency talks over the _ have held further emergency talks over the ongoing conflict in talks over the ongoing conflict h sheen— talks over the ongoing conflict h shooh os— talks over the ongoing conflict in sudan as trapped britons call for rescue from _ in sudan as trapped britons call for rescue from the— in sudan as trapped britons call for rescue from the government. honorees— for rescue from the government. hundreds have— for rescue from the government. hundreds have died in the oohrhor— hundreds have died in the conflict between the sudanese arrhy— conflict between the sudanese my one— conflict between the sudanese army and rival— conflict between the sudanese army and rival rapid support hoes— army and rival rapid support forces. paramilitary group. the rorergh— forces. paramilitary group. the foreign secretary— forces. paramilitary group. the foreign secretary was earlier oueshoheo— foreign secretary was earlier questioned as— foreign secretary was earlier questioned as to _ foreign secretary was earlier questioned as to why british orororhors— questioned as to why british diplomats were— questioned as to why british diplomats were being prioritised sheen— diplomats were being prioritised over sudan based— diplomats were being prioritised over sudan based uk citizens in an over sudan based uk citizens in on evoouorohr— over sudan based uk citizens in an evacuation mission. he responded,— an evacuation mission. he responded, saying the government rehoororhy— responded, saying the government temporarily closed— responded, saying the government temporarily closed the embassy heoouse— temporarily closed the embassy because specific— temporarily closed the embassy because specific threats were orreoreo — because specific threats were directed towards _ because specific threats were directed towards diplomats . the directed towards diplomats. the oeroeg— directed towards diplomats. the oeroeg phoe— directed towards diplomats. the average price of— directed towards diplomats. the average price of a— directed towards diplomats. the average price of a first time buyer— average price of a first time heyer home— average price of a first time buyer home has— average price of a first time buyer home has hit a record high of buyer home has hit a record high or hearty— buyer home has hit a record high of nearly £225,000. _ buyer home has hit a record high of nearly £225,000. that's oooorohg— of nearly £225,000. that's according to _ of nearly £225,000. that's according to rightmove, who oerhe — according to rightmove, who oerhe o— according to rightmove, who define a first— according to rightmove, who define a first time property as a define a first time property as o house— define a first time property as a house or flat— define a first time property as a house or flat with a maximum of rho— a house or flat with a maximum of two bedrooms.— a house or flat with a maximum of two bedrooms. the company erso— of two bedrooms. the company erso rouho— of two bedrooms. the company also found that— of two bedrooms. the company also found that rising costs of rehrhg— also found that rising costs of rehrhg hey— also found that rising costs of rehrhg may he— also found that rising costs of renting may be encouraging some first renting may be encouraging some hrsr rime— renting may be encouraging some first time buyers— renting may be encouraging some first time buyers to _ renting may be encouraging some first time buyers to make the jump— first time buyers to make the jump ohro— first time buyers to make the jump ohro rhe— first time buyers to make the jump onto the property ladder.

heshrre— jump onto the property ladder. oesorre hrgher— jump onto the property ladder. despite higher mortgage rates . despite higher mortgage rates. and despite higher mortgage rates. one some— despite higher mortgage rates. and some breaking news just in this and some breaking news just in his horr— and some breaking news just in this half hour.— and some breaking news just in this half hour. former strictly hohohg— this half hour. former strictly come dancing judge len goodman has come dancing judge len goodman hos rheo— come dancing judge len goodman has other aged— come dancing judge len goodman has died aged 78.— come dancing judge len goodman has died aged 78. his agent just oohhrrhhg— has died aged 78. his agent just confirming that— has died aged 78. his agent just confirming that len goodman. shorty— confirming that len goodman. srhorry cohe— confirming that len goodman. strictly come dancing judge has rheo— strictly come dancing judge has other ogeo— strictly come dancing judge has other ogeo 7s.— strictly come dancing judge has died aged 78. that news just in. we ht,— died aged 78. that news just in. the with or— died aged 78. that news just in. we will, of course,— died aged 78. that news just in. we will, of course, bring you on his— we will, of course, bring you more on this story as we get it rhroughour— more on this story as we get it throughout the— more on this story as we get it throughout the morning. now, rhough— throughout the morning. now, rhough hrs— throughout the morning. now, though, it's back— throughout the morning. now, though, it's back to bev and . andrew i i'm i andrew i'm terribly sad about the len goodman. i thought great. goodman. i thought it was great. it real character. yeah. it was a real character. yeah. wasn't he? that's ”ca rt. y/raa�* wasn't he? that's literally just hroheh— wasn't he? that's literally just broken-reh— wasn't he? that's literally just broken len goodman, judge broken news. len goodman, judge on broken news. len goodman, judge ohorhe-o— broken news. len goodman, judge on-come dancing,- broken news. len goodman, judge on come dancing, famous on strictly come dancing, famous for seven,.course._ on strictly come dancing, famous for seven, course. yeah for seven, of course. yeah rosseo— for seven, of course. yeah rosseo arroy— for seven, of course. yeah passed away. we'll be no doubt rorhhg— passed away. we'll be no doubt rorhhg ro— passed away. we'll be no doubt talking to people— passed away. we'll be no doubt talking to people this morning who— talking to people this morning who who— talking to people this morning who who knew— talking to people this morning who who knew lennon we talk to 1

or 2— who who knew lennon we talk to 1 or 2 or— who who knew lennon we talk to 1 or 2 or he— who who knew lennon we talk to 1 or 2 of the people— who who knew lennon we talk to 1 or 2 of the people who dance or errerhhreo— or 2 of the people who dance or errerhhreo ro — or 2 of the people who dance or attempted to dance on the programme— attempted to dance on the programme and widdecombe springs to programme and widdecombe springs ro rhino.— programme and widdecombe springs ro rhino-right— programme and widdecombe springs to mind.-right. now- to mind. that's right. now oorhhe— to mind. that's right. now oorhhg uh— to mind. that's right. now oorhhg up oh— to mind. that's right. now coming up on the show today, the goerhrheh-rs— coming up on the show today, the government's plan— coming up on the show today, the government's plan to deport rhetor— government's plan to deport illegal migrants to rwanda will government's plan to deport illegits�*nigrants to rwanda will government's plan to deport illegits biggest. to rwanda will government's plan to deport illegits biggest hurdletnda will government's plan to deport illegits biggest hurdle so a will government's plan to deport illegits biggest hurdle so far'ill face its biggest hurdle so far as he— face its biggest hurdle so far as he corro— face its biggest hurdle so far as the court of— face its biggest hurdle so far as the court of appeal will begin-— as the court of appeal will hegh-ooy— as the court of appeal will hegh-ooy or- as the court of appeal will begin. day of legal begin. first day of legal orguhehrs— begin. first day of legal- arguments—policy. arguments against the policy. but arguments against the policy. huo her.— arguments against the policy. her first hrs— arguments against the policy. but first, it's been— arguments against the policy. but first, it's been an- but first, it's been an extraordinary drama in sudan, as the sas special services the sas and special services have shipped out, the sas and special services have shipped out , 100 and have shipped out, 100 and diplomats and their families. but still thousands of british people have remained behind. violence broke out across the horrh— violence broke out across the north african _ violence broke out across the north african country last week when— north african country last week when o— north african country last week when a breakaway military unit hegoh— when a breakaway military unit hegoh o— when a breakaway military unit hegoh o oouh— when a breakaway military unit began a coup against government hoes— began a coup against government roes . — began a coup against government roes . as— began a coup against government forces . as france— began a coup against government forces . as france and- began a coup against government forces. began a coup against government forces . a forces. as france and the united states have evacuated their diplomatic corps. but as i said, thousands of their citizens, along with britons, are stranded. that's right . so we're stranded. that's right. so we're joined now in the— stranded. that's right. so we're joined now in the studio- ”q so we're joined now in the studio by oohrrooh— joined now in the studio by political commentator pierce horrhger— political commentator pierce horrhger os— political commentator pierce pottinger, as well as our deputy hohrroor— pottinger, as well as our deputy hohrroor-rorh — pottinger, as well as our deputy political tom harwood. political editor, tom harwood. oooo— political editor, tom harwood. good morning— political editor, tom harwood. good morning .— political editor, tom harwood. good morning, both. it's one of rhese— good morning, both. it's one of these situations— good morning, both. it's one of these situations ,_ good morning, both. it's one of these situations , pierce, that these situations, pierce, that it these situations, pierce, that h rhrghr— these situations, pierce, that h rhrghr feet— these situations, pierce, that it might feel to— these situations, pierce, that it might feel to us and to viewers. it's— it might feel to us and to viewers. it's a— it might feel to us and to viewers. it's a long way away.

why— viewers. it's a long way away. why does— viewers. it's a long way away. why does his— viewers. it's a long way away. why does this matter to us? why ooes— why does this matter to us? why does h— why does this matter to us? why does it affect— why does this matter to us? why does it affect us?— why does this matter to us? why does it affect us? well, there hrhrsh— does it affect us? well, there are british people. there. does it are british people. there. does h show— are british people. there. does h show how— are british people. there. does it show how good— are british people. there. does it show how good we are when we wohr— it show how good we are when we wohr ro— it show how good we are when we wohr ro gerrhg— it show how good we are when we want to getting people out of shworrohse— want to getting people out of situations? -there - want to getting people out of situations? there are still want to getting people out of situo'left s? there are still want to getting people out of situo'left . there are still want to getting people out of situo'left . y/rzina there are still want to getting people out of situo'left . y/rzina ere are still want to getting people out of situo'left . y/rzina " still want to getting people out of situo'left . y/rzina " ;till want to getting people out of situo'left . y/rzina " lots left. yes. i mean, i think obviously it was a really dangerous mission to get the diplomats and their families out . but the sudan situation has rwrrher— but the sudan situation has further ramifications , options further ramifications, options heoowse— further ramifications, options heoowse or— further ramifications, options because of the— further ramifications, options because of the people behind the warring— because of the people behind the warring factions— because of the people behind the warring factions ._ because of the people behind the warring factions . and i think warring factions. and i think it's warring factions. and i think rr-s gohg— warring factions. and i think rr-s gohg ro— warring factions. and i think rr-s gohg ro ger— warring factions. and i think it's going to get worse before it's going to get worse before h ters— it's going to get worse before h gers herrer— it's going to get worse before it gets better ._ it's going to get worse before it gets better . and i only hope it gets better. and i only hope rhor— it gets better. and i only hope her he— it gets better. and i only hope that the remaining british ohrzehs— that the remaining british citizens and— that the remaining british citizens and indeed all expats who— citizens and indeed all expats who ore— citizens and indeed all expats who are caught— citizens and indeed all expats who are caught in khartoum in the who are caught in khartoum in he mosh— who are caught in khartoum in the most appalling way are are removed— the most appalling way are are removed safely— the most appalling way are are removed safely because, of . rhey— removed safely because, of course , they could become they course, they could become they oowro — course, they could become they oowro he — course, they could become they could be targeted— course, they could become they could be targeted by the rhrhrohrs— could be targeted by the militants who - could be targeted by the militants who could even take rherh — militants who could even take rherh hosroge. — militants who could even take them hostage. r: them hostage. and put put more pressure on the government that way. well, i think so. i mean, you-re— way. well, i think so. i mean, yow-re hor— way. well, i think so. i mean, you're not dealing— well, i think so. i mean, you're not dealing with well whereo— you're not dealing with well drilled armies— you're not dealing with well drilled armies here. you're dealing— drilled armies here. you're dealing dealing with two conflicting— dealing dealing with two conflicting groups of militants who— conflicting groups of militants

who ore— conflicting groups of militants who perry— conflicting groups of militants who are pretty unregulated , who are pretty unregulated, whrroheo— who are pretty unregulated, untrained and— who are pretty unregulated, untrained and capable of ohyrhhg— untrained and capable of ohyrhhg .— untrained and capable of ohyrhhg . os— untrained and capable of anything , as we've seen untrained and capable of anything, as we've seen in untrained and capable of anything , as we've seen in other anything, as we've seen in other oowhhesr— anything, as we've seen in other oowhhesr .— anything, as we've seen in other countries , sadly,— anything, as we've seen in other countries , sadly, around the countries, sadly, around the worth.— countries, sadly, around the worth. r— countries, sadly, around the world. i think— countries, sadly, around the world. i think it's an extremely dangerous— world. i think it's an extremely dangerous situation . and the dangerous situation. and the reor— dangerous situation. and the he rhor— dangerous situation. and the fact that cobra— dangerous situation. and the fact that cobra met twice yesrerooy— fact that cobra met twice yesrerooy rs— fact that cobra met twice yesterday is indicative of how sehowsry— yesterday is indicative of how seriously this— yesterday is indicative of how seriously this government and indeed— seriously this government and indeed oh— seriously this government and indeed all governments around the indeed all governments around rhe wowe— indeed all governments around the world who— indeed all governments around the world who have people in hhohowrh— the world who have people in khartoum and— the world who have people in khartoum and the sudan more hrooory— khartoum and the sudan more hrooory ore— khartoum and the sudan more broadly are concerned about the shworroh— broadly are concerned about the shworroh .— broadly are concerned about the situation . tom,— broadly are concerned about the situation . tom, they moved very situation. tom, they moved very owhohhy— situation. tom, they moved very owrohy. heorhg— situation. tom, they moved very quickly, bearing in— situation. tom, they moved very quickly, bearing in mind what happened— quickly, bearing in mind what happened whh— quickly, bearing in mind what happened with the fall of kabul wher— happened with the fall of kabul when he— happened with the fall of kabul when the then— happened with the fall of kabul when the then foreign secretary, oohhro— when the then foreign secretary, oohhro r..b,_ when the then foreign secretary, dominic raab, he's— when the then foreign secretary, dominic raab, he's no longer whh— dominic raab, he's no longer whh rhrs— dominic raab, he's no longer with this parish— dominic raab, he's no longer with this parish because he's our— with this parish because he's our of— with this parish because he's now out of the— with this parish because he's now out of the government ohogerher. — now out of the government altogether, didn't now out of the government. altogether, didn't-his altogether, didn't interrupt his hohooy— altogether, didn't interrupt his own holiday greece to step in own holiday in greece to step in to own holiday in greece to step in o hy— own holiday in greece to step in o rry ro— own holiday in greece to step in o rry ro theor— own holiday in greece to step in to try to direct the— own holiday in greece to step in to try to direct the evacuation of to try to direct the evacuation or many— to try to direct the evacuation of many brits. _ to try to direct the evacuation of many brits. it— to try to direct the evacuation of many brits. . r::;”«r of many brits. it was very notable that the foreign secretary, james cleverly cut short his asia pacific trip last week when this started to kick off. a lot of people thought this might have been an overreaction from james cleverly. when it's a vital, vital interest of ours and these new trade deals that we're

signing and relationships that we're building in that part of the world and cutting short that trip, a lot people raised an trip, a lot of people raised an eyebrow. i think now can see eyebrow. i think now we can see clearly what the foreign secretary had sight of back then, intelligence that then, the intelligence that clearly has shared with us clearly has been shared with us and we have gathered in and that we have gathered in terms of how dangerous this situation and we're watching situation is. and we're watching over as french over the weekend, as the french were their were pulling out their diplomats, americans were diplomats, as the americans were pulling out their diplomats, it became really, became inaya evitable really, that the same. but that we would do the same. but it remarkable how how it is remarkable how how professionally operation was professionally the operation was undertaken right. professionally the operation was undertaken right . there are lots undertaken right. there are lots of concerns now about the up to 3000 brits that are still there. more than just about any other country in terms of expats, certainly more than european certainly more than any european country, expats in country, british expats in sudan. but clearly the limited operation that was undertaken by elite british forces was a was a clear success, as you said, because of who the main perpetrator of this violence are. there could be wider ramifications— a”r:i; there could be wider ramifications just elaborate a shoe— ramifications just elaborate a hrrre hh— ramifications just elaborate a hrrre hh oh— ramifications just elaborate a little bit on that— ramifications just elaborate a little bit on that for us. well i little bit on that for us. well r rhhh— little bit on that for us. well r rhhh h— little bit on that for us. well

r rhhh h rs— little bit on that for us. well i think it is certainly suggesreo- i think it is certainly suggested in certain quarters rhor— suggested in certain quarters rhor hosrhe— suggested in certain quarters that hostile governments in orher— that hostile governments in other countries— that hostile governments in other countries are behind each shoe— other countries are behind each side or— other countries are behind each side or his— other countries are behind each side of this faction. ' r: other countries are behind each side of this faction. 'r: �*" other countries are behind each side of this faction. ' r: �*" side of this faction. and if one of side of this faction. and if one or them— side of this faction. and if one of them wins , it could have of them wins, it could have ramifications as i.e, the arrival of communism or a very tyrannical regime. i think the future for sudan is very concerning . and again, as tom concerning. and again, as tom quite rightly said, there are 3000 expats in britain and sorry , in sudan, and it's much easier to get 100 out than it is 3000. so do we know if there are also widely spread the african governments or further afield? governments which might be might oohohorore— governments which might be might collaborate with— governments which might be might collaborate with the _ governments which might be might collaborate with the sudanese? weu. — collaborate with the sudanese? weu. r— collaborate with the sudanese? weu. r meow— collaborate with the sudanese? well, i mean, it— collaborate with the sudanese? well, i mean, it has— collaborate with the sudanese? well, i mean, it has been- well, i mean, it has been suggested that russia are taking a keen interest . and i think a keen interest. and i think also china, who of course are very big in africa right. china probably the biggest investor in africa these days, are also watching this very closely, if

not supporting one of the sides. and that's something that, you know, i'm afraid is the most concerning element of this. some people will say, oh, why do rhey— some people will say, oh, why do rhey go— some people will say, oh, why do rhey go for— some people will say, oh, why do rhey go for he— some people will say, oh, why do they go for the diplomats? what ohowr— they go for the diplomats? what ohowr oh— they go for the diplomats? what ohowr oh rhe— they go for the diplomats? what about all the others? but the orhhohors— about all the others? but the diplomats have— about all the others? but the diplomats have bigger targets on her— diplomats have bigger targets on her hook.— diplomats have bigger targets on their back, frankly, yes. ' r: their back, frankly, yes. and he— their back, frankly, yes. and the diplomats— their back, frankly, yes. and the diplomats their families the diplomats and their families were concentrated in one the diplomats and their families were and concentrated in one the diplomats and their families were and therefore ted in one the diplomats and their families were and therefore much one the diplomats and their families were and therefore much easier area and therefore much easier to attack. and so it was vital they were got out first because and also it was just a matter of practicality. i believe , because practicality. i believe, because i've just said the 3000 are dissipated and it's much harder to move them quickly. and speed is the essence here to get them to safety . but i'm sure to safety. but i'm sure everything is being done to do that. yeah tom, you mentioned that. yeah tom, you mentioned that about james cleverly sort of being aware of this for a while. and andrew was saying heroe— while. and andrew was saying before we— while. and andrew was saying before we came— while. and andrew was saying before we came on— and andrew was saying before we came on air that, you know.— before we came on air that, you know, someone whose flight was sweet — know, someone whose flight was diverted lweek_ know, someone whose flight was diverted week because it diverted a week ago because it was considered— diverted a week ago because it was considered to— diverted a week ago because it was considered to be a dangerous or—ehwe heeh- area, should we have been worhhg— area, should we have been warning people, the warning british people, the goverhhehr— warning british people, the government warning government had been warning hrhrsh— government had been warning hrrrrsh—ro- government had been warning hrrrrsh—ro eerl government had been warning. british _to get out

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okay. well, it'll blow over, it'll be okay . but now well, it'll blow over, it'll be okay. but now . well, it'll blow over, it'll be okay . but now . yes. well, it'll blow over, it'll be okay. but now . yes. and but of okay. but now. yes. and but of course getting out on your own is virtually impossible now for these people. and i certainly wouldn't try. i think the advice today is to stay indoors in sudan. and i think i would certainly be cowering under the bed. we still didn't get to our eternal shame. all of our translators _ eternal shame. all of our translators out— eternal shame. all of our translators out of- all of our translators out of kabul in arghohrsroh— translators out of kabul in afghanistan who risked their hoes— afghanistan who risked their hwes hor— afghanistan who risked their lives for this— afghanistan who risked their lives for this country, we hon-r— lives for this country, we oroe-r ger— lives for this country, we didn't get them all out. will didn't get them all out. well, i threw— didn't get them all out. well, i think lessons— didn't get them all out. well, i think lessons have been learned from as tom has just from that. and as tom has just explained , our foreign secretary explained, our foreign secretary was ahead of the game on this occasion , unlike the last one, occasion, unlike the last one, talking of personal responsibility, should we talk a little bit about the emergency alert that went off yesterday? i you loved it, tom. this i bet you loved it, tom. this hos—oh- i bet you loved it, tom. this hos—oh overl i bet you loved it, tom. this- has_all over it. has got you written all over it. i has got you written all over it. r we— has got you written all over it. i was disappointed— has got you written all over it. i was disappointed that- has got you written all over it. i was disappointed that my- has got you written all over it. i was disappointed that my phone did ring me to. and i have a did not ring me to. and i have a whhess— did not ring me to. and i have a whhess hor— did not ring me to. and i have a witness for this. _ did not ring me to. and i have a witness for this. yes— r: r: ” g and i have a witness for this. yes because we rogerher. — witness for this. yes because we were together. mine didn't go. vows— were together. mine didn't go. vows-ves— were together. mine didn't go. yours -yes mrs. - were together. mine didn't go. yours yes mrs. pottinger yours did? yes mrs. pottinger rho. — yours did? yes mrs. pottinger rho. ves— yours did? yes mrs. pottinger rho. yes he— yours did? yes mrs. pottinger did. yes the other ones did. but rhhe— did. yes the other ones did. but hon-r— did. yes the other ones did. but oroe-r .— did. yes the other ones did. but mine didn't . so— did. yes the other ones did. but mine didn't . so nobody cares mine didn't. so nobody cares ohowr— mine didn't. so nobody cares ohowr us— mine didn't. so nobody cares ohowr so— mine didn't. so nobody cares about us. so well, this is why. his— about us. so well, this is why. his rs— about us. so well, this is why. his is why— about us. so well, this is why. his is why r— about us. so well, this is why. this is why i think— about us. so well, this is why. this is why i think in terms of when— this is why i think in terms of

when — this is why i think in terms of when we. when— this is why i think in terms of when we. when we- this is why i think in terms of when we. �*ryya�* this is why i think in terms of when we. a when we. when we look at sort of governments that are accused of masterminding big things , i masterminding big things, i think overreaching is the word . think overreaching is the word. i think i think it's so rare that a government could ever put forward some sort of grand plan because clearly they're not particularly competent . so true. particularly competent. so true. i was reassured by what- particularly competent. so true. i was reassured by what a- so true. i was reassured by what a mess up yesrerooy— i was reassured by what a mess up yesrerooy ws— i was reassured by what a mess up yesterday was actually , up yesterday was actually, heoowse— up yesterday was actually, because when _ up yesterday was actually, because when you start to worry ohowr— because when you start to worry ohowr rhe — because when you start to worry ohowr rhe big— because when you start to worry about the big state, piers, and the about the big state, piers, and he way— about the big state, piers, and he way her— about the big state, piers, and the way that the _ about the big state, piers, and the way that the tendrils of goverhrhehr— the way that the tendrils of government are _ the way that the tendrils of government are kind of seeping deeper— government are kind of seeping oeeher ehe— government are kind of seeping deeper and deeper into our hoes.— deeper and deeper into our hwes r— deeper and deeper into our lives, i love— deeper and deeper into our lives, i love the— deeper and deeper into our lives, i love the fact that they ooh-r— lives, i love the fact that they can't organise _ lives, i love the fact that they can't organise a— lives, i love the fact that they can't organise a drunken party in can't organise a drunken party he he— can't organise a drunken party in the proverbial,— can't organise a drunken party in the proverbial, frankly , in the proverbial, frankly, heoowse— in the proverbial, frankly, because it— in the proverbial, frankly, because it gives me faith my i swhoheo— because it gives me faith my i switched mine— because it gives me faith my i switched mine off, as you can imagine.— switched mine off, as you can imagine hur— switched mine off, as you can imagine. but there is a serious hohr— imagine. but there is a serious hohr ro— imagine. but there is a serious hohr o h— imagine. but there is a serious point to it though,— imagine. but there is a serious point to it though, isn't there, in point to it though, isn't there, he rerrhs— point to it though, isn't there, he rerrhs or— point to it though, isn't there, in terms of the— point to it though, isn't there, in terms of the government just iwsr— in terms of the government just iwsr rehe— in terms of the government just iwsr rehe oh— in terms of the government just iwsr hate on o— in terms of the government just just take on a role— in terms of the government just just take on a role that under rhhes— just take on a role that under rhe— just take on a role that under mines the power— just take on a role that under mines the power of the individual— mines the power of the individual for- mines the power of the individual for taking responsibility for themselves ? responsibility for themselves? wen.— responsibility for themselves? weu. yes.— responsibility for themselves? weu. yes. h— responsibility for themselves? weu. yes. h is — responsibility for themselves? well, yes, it is. it— responsibility for themselves? well, yes, it is. it is— responsibility for themselves? well, yes, it is. it is in- responsibility for themselves? well, yes, it is. it is in some ways. i mean, i think what baffled me was why now ? why baffled me was why now? why suddenly do this ? i mean, we're suddenly do this? i mean, we're mercifully not at war. we're not

in a situation where a massive earthquake is imminent or a tidal wave, thank goodness. but but in the past, of course , but in the past, of course, dunng but in the past, of course, during wartime, there would be a loud siren blown and which would alert everyone in urban areas at least. but i never really heard anything from the government about actually why this was vital at such a time . vital at such a time. wildfires, apparently that vital at such a time. - wildfires, apparently that was or— wildfires, apparently that was or we— wildfires, apparently that was one of we interviewed a gehrrerhoh— one of we interviewed a gentleman about it from the rooe— gentleman about it from the force, special— gentleman about it from the force, special forces , emergency force, special forces, emergency serwoes— force, special forces, emergency services, wildfires— force, special forces, emergency services, wildfires . will services, wildfires. well, i hover-r— services, wildfires. well, i haven't seen too many wildfires in wandsworth . one of the one of in wandsworth. one of the one of the in wandsworth. one of the one of he heohre— in wandsworth. one of the one of he heoore r— in wandsworth. one of the one of he heoore r ws— " �*ryyra: one of the one of the people i was speaking ~ icyra: one of the one of the people i was speaking to yesreroey— the people i was speaking to yesrereey es— the people i was speaking to yesterday as part of the gb news reohre-s— yesterday as part of the gb news reoore-s renew— yesterday as part of the gb news people's panel on— yesterday as part of the gb news people's panel on community orhhr-s— people's panel on community ohhr-s show— people's panel on community omni's show was— people's panel on community omni's show was talking about how— omni's show was talking about how she— omni's show was talking about how she remembered the five rhhwre— how she remembered the five minute alerts— how she remembered the five minute alerts from the 1950s and 60 minute alerts from the 1950s and so eooos— minute alerts from the 1950s and 60 seconds warning of nuclear erreohs— 60 seconds warning of nuclear erreohs ehe— 60 seconds warning of nuclear attacks and how— 60 seconds warning of nuclear attacks and how people were told to attacks and how people were told ro weep— attacks and how people were told ro heeh rh— attacks and how people were told ro heeh he or— attacks and how people were told to keep tin of food— attacks and how people were told to keep tin of food or go under rhe— to keep tin of food or go under rhe rehe— to keep tin of food or go under the table, the— to keep tin of food or go under the table, the table go in the owhhoero— the table, the table go in the owhhoero ehe— the table, the table go in the cupboard and it— the table, the table go in the cupboard and it just makes me her— cupboard and it just makes me rhhh rher—

cupboard and it just makes me think that how,— cupboard and it just makes me think that how, how how useful rhrghr— think that how, how how useful rhrehr rher— think that how, how how useful might that five _ think that how, how how useful might that five minutes if yoe— might that five minutes if yoe gor— might that five minutes if yoe eor e— might that five minutes if you've got a nuclear warhead heeohg— you've got a nuclear warhead heeohe ro— you've got a nuclear warhead heading ro you— you've got a nuclear warhead heading to you in five minutes thee— heading to you in five minutes the? rh— heading to you in five minutes the? the hor— heading to you in five minutes time? i'm not sure— heading to you in five minutes time? i'm not sure there's much you— time? i'm not sure there's much you oe— time? i'm not sure there's much you oo. — time? i'm not sure there's much you can do. civil— time? i'm not sure there's much you can do. c . c :t you can do. civil defence groups. i can remember barber groups. i can remember my barber was part of the swindon civil defence group, so he going defence group, so he was going to a basement in the to be put in a basement in the town when the nuclear deal town hall when the nuclear deal said was to do said what he was going to do from there. cut hair. yeah at least you all come out “rah; ” y/rzaa�* at least you all come out looking rehwrows— least you all come out looking fabulous .the_ least you all come out looking fabulous the apocalypse fabulous on the apocalypse to get fabulous on the apocalypse to oer-hroheh - fabulous on the apocalypse to get kitchen table, but get under the kitchen table, but eorwehy— get under the kitchen table, but eorwehy h— get under the kitchen table, but actually it never— get under the kitchen table, but actually it never happens. so something— actually it never happens. so something that— actually it never happens. so something that has- actually it never happens. so something that has happened, we're move on to we're going to just move on to the subject now because we've got the labour who's got the former labour mp who's now an independent in the house of lords, john man joining us. john man morning. good morning. well you know diane abbott herrer— well you know diane abbott herrer-or- well you know diane abbott better-of us,- well you know diane abbott better-of us, the. well you know diane abbott better of us, the mp better than any of us, the mp for heohney— better than any of us, the mp for hackney, north stoke for hackney, north and stoke wewheroh— for hackney, north and stoke newington-she- for hackney, north and stoke newington she guilty just newington is, is she guilty just of anti—semitism? 'r: newington is, is she guilty just of anti—semitism? r: �*" newington is, is she guilty just of anti—semitism? ' r: �*" of anti—semitism? and if so, showro— of anti—semitism? and if so, should she be kicked out of the party? all together? well that's up disciplinary processes up to the disciplinary processes . so what's your view? well . the . so what's your view? well. the my view is that the labour party needed to have an independent discipline set up that was robust and they've got that.

and we argued that very shroeghy— and we argued that very strongly. that's what the owehry— strongly. that's what the quality human rights commission hrewehrroh— quality human rights commission intervention was— quality human rights commission intervention was all about . so intervention was all about. so rhey-h— intervention was all about. so they'll decide _ intervention was all about. so they'll decide what should hehoeh— they'll decide what should heooeh ro— they'll decide what should happen to her.— they'll decide what should happen to her. i, i can't see her— happen to her. i, i can't see her srehohe— happen to her. i, i can't see her standing at— happen to her. i, i can't see her standing at the next eheorroh— her standing at the next election now- her standing at the next election now . so, um, i mean, election now. so, um, i mean, my,— election now. so, um, i mean, man my— election now. so, um, i mean, my. my reeorroh— election now. so, um, i mean, my, my reaction is— election now. so, um, i mean, my, my reaction is almost a seoess— my, my reaction is almost a seoess er— my, my reaction is almost a sadness at the— my, my reaction is almost a sadness at the absurdity of what she sero— sadness at the absurdity of what she set .— sadness at the absurdity of what she set . who.— sadness at the absurdity of what she said . and, um,— sadness at the absurdity of what she said . and, um, don't forget she said. and, um, don't forget , i she said. and, um, don't forget . r rheeh— she said. and, um, don't forget . r she— she said. and, um, don't forget , i mean, she represents the mosh— , i mean, she represents the rhosr reth— , i mean, she represents the most rikki neave sizeable jewish oommwnhy— most rikki neave sizeable jewish oorhrhwhhy. rhe— most rikki neave sizeable jewish community, the ultra—orthodox rewrsh— community, the ultra—orthodox jewish community. quite a lot of here — jewish community. quite a lot of here he— jewish community. quite a lot of them in stamford— jewish community. quite a lot of them in stamford hill are oohheoreo— them in stamford hill are connected stuents and have been for he— connected stuents and have been for he so.— connected stuents and have been for he so. or— connected stuents and have been for the 36, 37 years— connected stuents and have been for the 36, 37 years she's been in herherhehr— for the 36, 37 years she's been in parliament and— for the 36, 37 years she's been in parliament and they face races every day— in parliament and they face races every day ,- in parliament and they face races every day , you know, races every day, you know, hesshe— races every day, you know, hessre oh— races every day, you know, hassle on the— races every day, you know, hassle on the streets, abuse is mosh— hassle on the streets, abuse is rhosr or— hassle on the streets, abuse is rhosr of h.— hassle on the streets, abuse is most of it. low— hassle on the streets, abuse is most of it. low level, but nevertheless, _ most of it. low level, but nevertheless, that's, you know, very— nevertheless, that's, you know, very demeaning— nevertheless, that's, you know, very demeaning and damaging, sorhehhesr— very demeaning and damaging, sometimes worse— very demeaning and damaging, sometimes worse , sometimes sometimes worse, sometimes worehr— sometimes worse, sometimes violent attacks— sometimes worse, sometimes violent attacks ._ sometimes worse, sometimes violent attacks . and that's in violent attacks. and that's in her— violent attacks. and that's in her ow— violent attacks. and that's in

her own patch.— violent attacks. and that's in her own patch. so i'm a little hewhhereh— her own patch. so i'm a little bewildered, actually, at how extraordinary— bewildered, actually, at how extraordinary her comments are. you know— extraordinary her comments are. you know .— extraordinary her comments are. you how r— extraordinary her comments are. you know , i mean,— extraordinary her comments are. you know , i mean, she's always you know, i mean, she's always been— you know, i mean, she's always been very— you know, i mean, she's always been very rhwoh— you know, i mean, she's always been very much on— you know, i mean, she's always been very much on the on the hero— been very much on the on the here were — been very much on the on the here were so— been very much on the on the hard left. so a— been very much on the on the hard left. so a kind of a eeherer— hard left. so a kind of a general political views never surprise— general political views never surprise me— general political views never surprise me. i've— general political views never surprise me. i've never really eereeo— surprise me. i've never really eereeo whh— surprise me. i've never really agreed with her— surprise me. i've never really agreed with her on them. but rher-s— agreed with her on them. but that's politics. _ agreed with her on them. but that's politics. this is something- that's politics. this is something rather different. and you know.— something rather different. and you know. she-s— something rather different. and you know, she's received herself , you know, she's received herself i , you know, she's received herself . r wowe— you know, she's received herself . r wowo sey— you know, she's received herself , i would say more— you know, she's received herself , i would say more abuse than ehyhooy— , i would say more abuse than ehyhoey eose— , i would say more abuse than anybody else, race— , i would say more abuse than anybody else, race abuse , racist anybody else, race abuse, racist ehwse— anybody else, race abuse, racist ehwse h— anybody else, race abuse, racist abuse in politics— anybody else, race abuse, racist abuse in politics over the yes— abuse in politics over the ye some— abuse in politics over the years. some nasty stuff, howohe— years. some nasty stuff, including some in the labour party— including some in the labour perry ehe— including some in the labour herry end for— including some in the labour party and for it— including some in the labour party and for it to come out whh— party and for it to come out whh rhrs— party and for it to come out whh rhrs rs— party and for it to come out with this is it's— party and for it to come out with this is it's somewhat bewildering,— with this is it's somewhat bewildering, to be honest . i bewildering, to be honest. i h-s— bewildering, to be honest. i its so— bewildering, to be honest. i mean, it's so bad . um, and mean, it's so bad. um, and i rhhh— mean, it's so bad. um, and i think probably— mean, it's so bad. um, and i think probably a— mean, it's so bad. um, and i think probably a graceful retirement— think probably a graceful retirement would now be the ehhrohhere— retirement would now be the appropriate thing and how hswhhe— appropriate thing and how insulting for— appropriate thing and how insulting for a— appropriate thing and how insulting for a jewish person who-s— insulting for a jewish person who-s heeh— insulting for a jewish person who-s heeh e— insulting for a jewish person who's been a victim of anti—semitism that she says, oh, weer.— anti—semitism that she says, oh, weh. rher-s— anti—semitism that she says, oh, weh. rher-s ho— anti—semitism that she says, oh, well, that's no worse than sorhehooy— well, that's no worse than somebody being abusive about someone with— somebody being abusive about someone with ginger hair. e

someone with ginger hair. it's exrreorehery— someone with ginger hair. it's extraordinary how— someone with ginger hair. it's extraordinary how she- someone with ginger hair. it's extraordinary how she never read the history of the holocaust that, well, an also mean she must talk to her own constituents. you must talk to her own constituents . you know, a constituents. you know, a rhetorhy— constituents. you know, a rhetohry or— constituents. you know, a majority of jewish - ”a; you know, a majority of jewish children in sheh— majority of jewish children in sheh sheer— majority of jewish children in spain spent their entire lives swhiweere— spain spent their entire lives swhiweere .— spain spent their entire lives subjugate . covid to oppression subjugate. covid to oppression and subjugate. covid to oppression end her— subjugate. covid to oppression and then murder— subjugate. covid to oppression and then murder as by the way, did and then murder as by the way, he e— and then murder as by the way, we e rhetorrry— and then murder as by the way, did a majority of— and then murder as by the way, did a majority of the roma ohhoreh— did a majority of the roma children of— did a majority of the roma children of the— did a majority of the roma children of the time . um, children of the time. um, eeeorry— children of the time. um, eoeorry rhe— children of the time. um, exactly the same thing. she's erso— exactly the same thing. she's erso rhehegeo— exactly the same thing. she's also managed to— exactly the same thing. she's also managed to label them an ehe— also managed to label them an end her— also managed to label them an end her wes— also managed to label them an and that was their— also managed to label them an and that was their life until rhey— and that was their life until rhey wee— and that was their life until they were murdered and actual rhetorhy— they were murdered and actual rhetohry or— they were murdered and actual majority of both— they were murdered and actual majority of both communities in europe— majority of both communities in europe .— majority of both communities in europe . h-s— majority of both communities in europe . it's baffling and even europe. it's baffling and even so her— europe. it's baffling and even more so that today almost oerrehhy— more so that today almost certainly literally today there wru— certainly literally today there with he — certainly literally today there with he e— certainly literally today there will be a young— certainly literally today there will be a young hasidic jewish person— will be a young hasidic jewish person he— will be a young hasidic jewish person in her— will be a young hasidic jewish person in her constituency who receives some negativity, some ehwse— receives some negativity, some ehwse .— receives some negativity, some abuse , hopefully— receives some negativity, some abuse , hopefully nothing worse

abuse, hopefully nothing worse rheh— abuse, hopefully nothing worse rheh rher. — abuse, hopefully nothing worse than that. hopefully nothing worehr— than that. hopefully nothing worehr .— than that. hopefully nothing violent . but— than that. hopefully nothing violent . but there will be violent. but there will be sorherhhg— violent. but there will be something negative . kyiv something negative. kyiv theoret— something negative. kyiv directed against her own constituents— directed against her own constituents for being jewish, for looking— constituents for being jewish, for looking jewish. today that wru— for looking jewish. today that wrh hehoeh— for looking jewish. today that will happen today. for looking jewish. today that will happen today . that's what's will happen today. that's what's reehy— will happen today. that's what's really astonishing— will happen today. that's what's really astonishing about this. she— really astonishing about this. she knows— really astonishing about this. she knows that— really astonishing about this. she knows that situation and heoe— she knows that situation and hewe ho— she knows that situation and hewe ho wee— she knows that situation and have no idea what's going on in her heed.— have no idea what's going on in her heeo. rohh— have no idea what's going on in her head. john we're not quite in electioneering,_ her head. john we're not quite in electioneering, period yet, hur— in electioneering, period yet, he were— in electioneering, period yet, but we're sort— in electioneering, period yet, but we're sort of— in electioneering, period yet, but we're sort of getting close to but we're sort of getting close ho ho — but we're sort of getting close ho h. we— but we're sort of getting close ho h. we hee— but we're sort of getting close to it. we had the— but we're sort of getting close to it. �*ryyrz; “a: lira" " rt. but we're sort of getting close to it. �*vyyrz; “a: ;r.;.»—~ 1“ rt. 7 to it. we had the dominic raab situation, bullying and resignation last week at this penod resignation last week at this period in time. it's incredibly important, isn't it, for the leader of the political parties to handle these situations in a way that they think is going to reflect well with the electorate. what do you think keir starmer should do now ? keir starmer should do now? well, he seems to have moved pretty quickly on this appropriately. um, pretty quickly on this appropriately . um, and i would appropriately. um, and i would hheehe— appropriately. um, and i would rheehe he-s— appropriately. um, and i would imagine he's going— appropriately. um, and i would imagine he's going to- um, and i would imagine he's going to see this rhrowgh— imagine he's going to see this rhroweh .— imagine he's going to see this rhroweh . r— imagine he's going to see this through . i mean,— imagine he's going to see this through . i mean, i, i, he must

through. i mean, i, i, he must be bewildered— through. i mean, i, i, he must be bewildered at— through. i mean, i, i, he must be bewildered at the crassness of be bewildered at the crassness or he— be bewildered at the crassness of the remarks— be bewildered at the crassness of the remarks and it's, i mean, you— of the remarks and it's, i mean, you know.— of the remarks and it's, i mean, you know. oeoohe— of the remarks and it's, i mean, you know, people say stupid rhhes— you know, people say stupid rhhgs. reoore— you know, people say stupid things. people say extreme rhhes— things. people say extreme rhhes ehe— things. people say extreme things and that can embarrass hohrroer— things and that can embarrass political parties— things and that can embarrass political parties and does it. her— political parties and does it. her his— political parties and does it. her his rs— political parties and does it. but this is beyond the pale in rerrhs— but this is beyond the pale in heroes of— but this is beyond the pale in terms of how— but this is beyond the pale in terms of how absurd how how errhosr— terms of how absurd how how almost contradictory . um, this almost contradictory. um, this is .— almost contradictory. um, this is . who.— almost contradictory. um, this is . who. ehe— almost contradictory. um, this is . who. ehe r— almost contradictory. um, this is . and, and i think he's just is. and, and i think he's just going— is. and, and i think he's just going ro— is. and, and i think he's just going ro see— is. and, and i think he's just going to see this— is. and, and i think he's just going to see this through and i ooh-r— going to see this through and i ooh-r rhhh— going to see this through and i don't think she— going to see this through and i don't think she will stand as a oehoroere— don't think she will stand as a oehoroere .— don't think she will stand as a candidate , but— don't think she will stand as a candidate , but certainly not as candidate, but certainly not as a candidate, but certainly not as e hehowr— candidate, but certainly not as a labour candidate at the oeherer— a labour candidate at the general action. ”g“ general action. all right. that's john mann. lord mann, can ibnng that's john mann. lord mann, can i bring piers pottinger back into this conversation? piers, this wasn't a throwaway remark by it was a letter by diane abbott. it was a letter to a national newspaper. you've deau to a national newspaper. you've dealt newspapers dealt with national newspapers for . and, for years and years. and, you know, a arrives, know, when a letter arrives, they don't stick it on the they don't just stick it on the page. no, no. be page. no, no, no. they'll be toing and froing between the letter's diane letter's editor and diane abbott's and forwards, abbott's backwards and forwards, editing making sure editing it, making sure everybody it would

everybody was happy. it would have to have been signed off by her office. absolutely. and it wowe— her office. absolutely. and it worth heoe— her office. absolutely. and it would have been— rt.r1i; absolutely. and it would have been edited, looked at, would have been edited, looked er. ersowsseo— would have been edited, looked at, discussed at— would have been edited, looked at, discussed at the very hrehesr— at, discussed at the very highest level— at, discussed at the very highest level in the newspaper. i highest level in the newspaper. r rhhh— highest level in the newspaper. r rhhh h— highest level in the newspaper. i think it was— highest level in the newspaper. i think it was the— highest level in the newspaper. i think it was the observer, but but i think it was the observer, but her r— i think it was the observer, but her r rheeh— i think it was the observer, but her r ro— i think it was the observer, but but i mean, to write the letter in but i mean, to write the letter he he— but i mean, to write the letter he he hrsr— but i mean, to write the letter in the first place— but i mean, to write the letter in the first place is extraordinary . but what i in the first place is extraordinary. but what i think is even worse— extraordinary. but what i think is even worse is— extraordinary. but what i think is even worse is the way she rheo— is even worse is the way she were or— is even worse is the way she tried or pretended to apologise, seyhe— tried or pretended to apologise, seyhg she— tried or pretended to apologise, was saying she disassociated herseh— was saying she disassociated herself from _ was saying she disassociated herself from the _ was saying she disassociated herself from the letter and it was an initial— herself from the letter and it was an initial draft. herself from the letter and it was an initial draft . well, i'm was an initial draft. well, i'm sorry.— was an initial draft. well, i'm sorry. vow— was an initial draft. well, i'm sorry. you oeh-r— was an initial draft. well, i'm sorry. you can't believe that. who— sorry. you can't believe that. who ro— sorry. you can't believe that. who ro rhe— sorry. you can't believe that. who ro rhe ro— sorry. you can't believe that. and to me to think this woman rhe— and to me to think this woman was once the shadow home seorerery. — was once the shadow home secretary. can— was once the shadow home secretary. can you imagine what rhhes— secretary. can you imagine what rhhes wowe— secretary. can you imagine what things would be— secretary. can you imagine what things would be like if she was whether— things would be like if she was running rhe— things would be like if she was running the home— things would be like if she was running the home office? she heres— running the home office? she rhehes ehoweh— running the home office? she makes enough gaffes as it is. i rheyhe— makes enough gaffes as it is. i mean, maybe she— makes enough gaffes as it is. i mean, maybe she should retire ehe— mean, maybe she should retire ehe ooe— mean, maybe she should retire and come back— mean, maybe she should retire and come back and start running the and come back and start running rhe ehereehoy— and come back and start running the emergency phone signal ohererroh— the emergency phone signal ohererroh . — the emergency phone signal operation . do— the emergency phone signal operation . 1ra e the emergency phone signal operation . 1ra “< t operation. do you think it's how damaging is this for labour? i think i think it's quite whethe— think i think it's quite damaging, particularly at the rhorhehr— damaging, particularly at the moment when— damaging, particularly at the moment when they're running rhese— moment when they're running these personal— moment when they're running these personal attacks on conservatives— these personal attacks on conservatives ,- these personal attacks on conservatives , which polls have conservatives, which polls have showed— conservatives, which polls have showed ee— conservatives, which polls have showed are not— conservatives, which polls have showed are not working thing

rhrs— showed are not working thing rhrs eorwehy— showed are not working thing this actually i— showed are not working thing this actually i think is a big rhrsrehe— this actually i think is a big misrehe .— this actually i think is a big mistake . and— this actually i think is a big mistake . and as john mann quite mistake. and as john mann quite hehhy— mistake. and as john mann quite righrry sero— mistake. and as john mann quite righrry sero .— mistake. and as john mann quite righrry sero . r— mistake. and as john mann quite rightly said , i mean, no mp rightly said, i mean, no mp showro— rightly said, i mean, no mp should start— rightly said, i mean, no mp should start insulting or really oewshe— should start insulting or really oewshg hege— should start insulting or really causing huge offence to a large part— causing huge offence to a large her or— causing huge offence to a large her or her— causing huge offence to a large part of their own— causing huge offence to a large part of their own constituency. soehrore— part of their own constituency. stamford hill— part of their own constituency. stamford hill is— part of their own constituency. stamford hill is right. - part of their own constituency. : tt ” g very, stamford hill is right. very, very silly . yes, : tt ” g very, very silly . yes, absolutely. very silly. yes, absolutely. she-s— very silly. yes, absolutely. she-s gor— very silly. yes, absolutely. she-s to e— very silly. yes, absolutely. she's got a huge jewish heroehreoe— she's got a huge jewish percentage of- she's got a huge jewish percentage of her of her voters. who— percentage of her of her voters. who ro— percentage of her of her voters. who ro hswh— percentage of her of her voters. and to insult them— percentage of her of her voters. and to insult them like this in the and to insult them like this in he mosh— and to insult them like this in the most absurd— and to insult them like this in the most absurd third way is so heweo. — the most absurd third way is so heweo. r— the most absurd third way is so flawed. i think— the most absurd third way is so flawed. i think her time is over . so— flawed. i think her time is over . so do— flawed. i think her time is over . so do you— flawed. i think her time is over . so do you think— flawed. i think her time is over . so do you think so,- flawed. i think her time is over . so do you think so, tom? they kick her out. i think they'd be hehr— kick her out. i think they'd be hehr ro— kick her out. i think they'd be right to whether— kick her out. i think they'd be right to whether they- rt.< i think they'd be right to whether they will or notw— right to whether they will or not rhere-s— right to whether they will or not, there's still— right to whether they will or not, there's still a long way to 90-— not, there's still a long way to go. here— not, there's still a long way to go. here rs— not, there's still a long way to go. rhere is e— not, there's still a long way to go. there is a process that is whoerwey.— go. there is a process that is now underway. she is suspended as now underway. she is suspended es e hehowr— now underway. she is suspended as a labour mp,— now underway. she is suspended as a labour mp, but she's still as a labour mp, but she's still e rherhehr— as a labour mp, but she's still e rherhehr or— as a labour mp, but she's still a member of the— as a labour mp, but she's still a member of the labour party. herr— a member of the labour party. heir srerrher— a member of the labour party. keir starmer-not- a member of the labour party. keir starmer not the keir starmer has not taken the oeorsroh— keir starmer has not taken the oeorsroh ro— keir starmer has not taken the decision to expel— keir starmer has not taken the decision to expel her. he has reheh— decision to expel her. he has reheh rhe— decision to expel her. he has taken the decision to suspend her es— taken the decision to suspend her aslmember_ taken the decision to suspend her as member and some people her as a member and some people rhrghr— her as a member and some people high-eh— her as a member and some people might-an eyebrow— her as a member and some people might an eyebrow that. might raise an eyebrow at that. sari,— might raise an eyebrow at that. srrw—iwsrl still, a labour member, just not a still, a labour member, just not e-wh— still, a labour member, just not e-wh a— still, a labour member, just not e-wh a m— still, a labour member, just not e-wh a hr of- still, a labour member, just not a-mp. a bit of a- still, a labour member, just not a mp. a bit of a curious

a labour mp. a bit of a curious contradiction. _ a labour mp. a bit of a curious contradiction. the— a labour mp. a bit of a curious contradiction. the same position eorwehy— contradiction. the same position actually—corbyn- actually that jeremy corbyn rhes— actually that jeremy corbyn finds—somel actually that jeremy corbyn - finds—some people finds himself in and some people rhrghr— finds himself in and some people rhrghr-eyehrow- finds himself in and some people might-eyebrow at- finds himself in and some people might eyebrow at that might raise an eyebrow at that heose— might raise an eyebrow at that because-state— might raise an eyebrow at that because-state-she- because the state that she reheeseo— because the state that she released - so - because the state that she released so patently lately. released was so patently lately. i'm released was so patently lately. we who— released was so patently lately. r-rh rryho ro— released was so patently lately. i'm trying to find— released was so patently lately. i'm trying to find a polite word for h.— i'm trying to find a polite word for to her— i'm trying to find a polite word for it, but untruthful . well, for it, but untruthful. well, the — for it, but untruthful. well, the reeohe— for it, but untruthful. well, i'm reading it— for it, but untruthful. well, i'm reading it in front of me here.— i'm reading it in front of me here. h— i'm reading it in front of me here. h seys— i'm reading it in front of me here. it says the— i'm reading it in front of me here. it says the errors arose in eh— here. it says the errors arose in en hhrer— here. it says the errors arose in an initial draft— here. it says the errors arose in an initial draft being sent, rrhrwyho— in an initial draft being sent, rhoryho rher— in an initial draft being sent, implying that there was some orher— implying that there was some orher hohr— implying that there was some other point that— implying that there was some other point that she was trying to other point that she was trying ro rhehe. — other point that she was trying ro rhehe. her-s— other point that she was trying to make. let's just row back on his— to make. let's just row back on his or— to make. let's just row back on his for e— to make. let's just row back on this for a second.— to make. let's just row back on this for a second. it— to make. let's just row back on this for a second. it was a rerrer— this for a second. it was a herrer h— this for a second. it was a letter in response to an article seyhg— letter in response to an article seyho rher— letter in response to an article saying that jewish people eoehehoe— saying that jewish people experience racism. she replied to experience racism. she replied ro rher— experience racism. she replied to that article— experience racism. she replied to that article saying , no, they to that article saying, no, they ooh-r.— to that article saying, no, they ooh-r. wo— to that article saying, no, they ooh-r. wo. rhey— to that article saying, no, they don't. no, they don't. it's not in don't. no, they don't. it's not h-wey— don't. no, they don't. it's not h-wey rher- don't. no, they don't. it's not in -way that black. in the same way that black oeoore— in the same way that black oeoore-h-s— in the same way that black people it's entirely people do. it's entirely different.— people do. it's entirely different. white, different. they're white, rhoryho— different. they're white,- implying -privilege, implying they have privilege, implying— implying that there's this sort of implying that there's this sort or—reorsrh - implying that there's this sort of_racism that. implying that there's this sorti of_racism that was of hierarchy of racism that was the of hierarchy of racism that was he ehrrre— of hierarchy of racism that was the entire point.— of hierarchy of racism that was the entire point. the title of her— the entire point. the title of her herrer— the entire point. the title of her letter was— the entire point. the title of her letter was racism is black ehe— her letter was racism is black ehe whhe. — her letter was racism is black and white. every— her letter was racism is black and white. every sentence of it rher— and white. every sentence of it rher potho— and white. every sentence of it was that point. what on earth orher— was that point. what on earth orher hohr— was that point. what on earth other point might have been other point might she have been rryhg— other point might she have been rryhg ro— other point might she have been rryho ro reeke— other point might she have been trying to make an— other point might she have been trying to make an initial draft ? trying to make an initial draft 7 h— trying to make an initial draft ? it stretches— trying to make an initial draft ? it stretches realms of ? it stretches the realms of oreowhry. — ? it stretches the realms of credulity. actually the credulity. and actually the hoero— credulity. and actually the board deputies of british board of deputies of british rews— board of deputies of british jews-es— board of deputies of british jews-as much- board of deputies of british jews as much yesterday jews said as much yesterday morning— jews said as much yesterday morning-she- jews said as much yesterday morning-she was- jews said as much yesterday morning she was she had morning before she was she had the morning before she was she had rhe whip— morning before she was she had he who reheh— morning before she was she had the whip taken off— morning before she was she had the whip taken off her. the hoero— the whip taken off her. the

hoero or— the whip taken off her. the board of deputies of british rews— board of deputies of british rews oer— board of deputies of british rews our our— board of deputies of british jews put out an— board of deputies of british jews put out an a statement seyhe— jews put out an a statement seyho her— jews put out an a statement saying her apology is entirely unconvincing.— saying her apology is entirely unconvincing. we've written to her— unconvincing. we've written to heir-expressing- unconvincing. we've written to keir expressing our deep keir starmer expressing our deep oohoerh-eshhe— keir starmer expressing our deep concern-asking for- keir starmer expressing our deep concern asking for the whip concern and asking for the whip to concern and asking for the whip ro he— concern and asking for the whip to be removed,— concern and asking for the whip to be removed, which it was an error. terrible— to be removed, which it was an error. d ra“ error. terrible judgement on her part to even engage in that conversation, it? at conversation, doesn't it? at this even if she feels this time, even if she feels strongly that as a black woman, if she walks down road, if she walks down the road, she's likely have a name she's more likely to have a name called her white called at her than a white jewish woman might have . there jewish woman might have. there might be an element of in actual motty her real life experience might mean that she would see that as being being true and to be fair to diane abbott, i have to be fair to her. occasionally she— to be fair to her. occasionally she she— to be fair to her. occasionally she she receives— to be fair to her. occasionally she she receives more- ” occasionally she she receives more racist ehwse— she she receives more racist ehwse rheh— she she receives more racist ehwse rheh ery— she she receives more racist abuse than any other member of the abuse than any other member of he hoses— abuse than any other member of he hoes or— abuse than any other member of the houses of parliament. ahsorwrery. — the houses of parliament. absolutely. because she's a hreoh— absolutely. because she's a hreoh-eho- absolutely. because she's a black-and very- absolutely. because she's a- black-and very outspoken. black woman and very outspoken. but black woman and very outspoken. her-poor— black woman and very outspoken. but-poor judgement- black woman and very outspoken. but-poor judgement to- but what poor judgement to try to nuance of that to articulate the nuance of that in letter which is clumsily in a letter which is clumsily written, which she then can't defend if she feels that she had a point to defend, then double down, then defend it, then tell us what you meant. well i mean, you too now. yeah. go back in a

in a kind of spineless manner. it achieves nothing. in a kind of spineless manner. it so achieves nothing. in a kind of spineless manner. it so it's achieves nothing. in a kind of spineless manner. it so it's such ves nothing. in a kind of spineless manner. it so it's such aes nothing. in a kind of spineless manner. it so it's such a uselessrg. in a kind of spineless manner. it so it's such a useless road it's so it's such a useless road to go down to try and say well black people might have this, but might have but jewish people might have this. imean but jewish people might have this. i mean there aren't there erehr— this. i mean there aren't there erehr sorr— this. i mean there aren't there erehr sorr or— this. i mean there aren't there aren't sort of so— this. i mean there aren't there aren't sort of so in— i mean there aren't there aren't sort of so in jewish reherows—hl religious schools and in syheooowes— religious schools and in synagogues, a few months synagogues, just a few months ago,— synagogues, just a few months ego. rhe— synagogues, just a few months ego. rhe home— synagogues, just a few months ago, the home secretary committed— ago, the home secretary committed more ago, the home secretary- committed-more for committed millions more for ororeorroh— committed millions more for protection for— committed millions more for protection for guarding these institutions— protection for guarding these institutions because they are so under— institutions because they are so under rhreer— institutions because they are so under threat and— institutions because they are so under threat and because they heoe— under threat and because they hewe heoee— under threat and because they have faced attacks and threats whroh— have faced attacks and threats whroh ee— have faced attacks and threats whroh oh— have faced attacks and threats which are on the— have faced attacks and threats which are on the rise in recent yeers— which are on the rise in recent yeers whroh— which are on the rise in recent yeers whroh ee— which are on the rise in recent years which are on— which are on the rise in recent years which are on the rise. i mean, we can point at any of rhese— mean, we can point at any of rhese groups— mean, we can point at any of these groups and— mean, we can point at any of these groups and say, well, they rhrghr— these groups and say, well, they rhrehr hor— these groups and say, well, they might not receive— these groups and say, well, they might not receive so much in the sheer.— might not receive so much in the sheer. hur— might not receive so much in the sheer. her rhey— might not receive so much in the street, but they might receive more -institute- street, but they might receive more institute they more in their institute or they eereho— more in their institute or they might,_reducesi more in their institute or they. might,_reduces this might, you know, it reduces this oohwerserroh— might, you know, it reduces this conversation down— might, you know, it reduces this conversation down to a very low rever— conversation down to a very low reweh ro— conversation down to a very low reweh ro hy— conversation down to a very low reweh ro rry ehe— conversation down to a very low level to try and say— conversation down to a very low level to try and say that that someone receives— level to try and say that that someone receives something in a wherew— someone receives something in a orrrerehr-eho— someone receives something in a different and others do. i different way and others do. i mean,-receive- different way and others do. i mean, receive racism. mean, they all receive racism. i mean, they all receive racism. r-rher-s— mean, they all receive racism. r-rher-s worse— mean, they all receive racism. i-that's worse than - mean, they all receive racism. i-that's worse than your. i think that's worse than your racism , it? terrible sort racism, isn't it? terrible sort of message to andrew pierce in 30 seconds is, is it a gift for starmer anyway, because he can kick her out. that's what i was iwsr— kick her out. that's what i was iwsr he-s— kick her out. that's what i was rwsr he-s 901119— kick her out. that's what i was rwsr he-s 901119 ro— kick her out. that's what i was just he's going to say,- rt.< that's what i was just he's going to say, i've got rid just he's going to say, i've got to or— just he's going to say, i've got

to or oorhyh— just he's going to say, i've got rid of corbyn, i've— just he's going to say, i've got rid of corbyn, i've got rid of whom— rid of corbyn, i've got rid of ahhorr. rh— rid of corbyn, i've got rid of abbott, i'm kicking all abbott, i'm kicking them all our. — abbott, i'm kicking them all our. |rhhh— abbott, i'm kicking them all out. ithink in— abbott, i'm kicking them all out. ithink in the- abbott, i'm kicking them all out. :“< :“ rt;“r: abbott, i'm kicking them all. out. |think in the end, i think out. i think in the end, i think in the end that's that's his only route really, defence. only route really, of defence. definitely yeah. and definitely yeah. yeah. and there's that, as tom there's no question that, as tom has said, i it was has just said, i mean it was that ridiculous apology that made it much worse. i mean she's dug a very deep hole and i'm afraid, as i've just said , i afraid, as i've just said, i think it's over. what a way for her ro— think it's over. what a way for her career to end _ think it's over. what a way for her career to end for- e what a way for her career to end for britain's hrsr— her career to end for britain's hrsr worhhe— her career to end for britain's first woman black ipp really the career to have— first woman black ipp really the career to have been ploughed owehry— career to have been ploughed over overtly racist attack on he— over overtly racist attack on the rewrsh— over overtly racist attack on the jewish community. t“ the jewish community. but i can imagine— the jewish community. but i can rheehe herr— the jewish community. but i can imagine keir starmer thinking i'm relieved because i'm quite relieved because she is prone, because she is gaffe prone, because she could have been a massive liability. she still be in liability. she might still be in the up election. so the run up to the election. so let's see. right. still to come, we're going to be paying tribute to the former strictly come dancing judge len goodman. if you've joined us, has you've just joined us, he has died aged 78. this is to the point on

gb news. it's 10 am. gb news.- . it's 10 am. on oh wows.— . it's 10 am. on monday, oh news.— . it's 10 am. on monday, the it's 10 a.m. on monday, the 24th of - it's 10 a.m. on monday, the zerh or ahhh — . it's 10 a.m. on monday, the 24th of april. good— - it's 10 a.m. on monday, thei 24th of april. good-and 24th of april. good morning and eoroe— 24th of april. good morning and welcome—on gb- 24th of april. good morning and. welcome—on gb news welcome to the point on gb news whh— welcome to the point on gb news whh rhe— welcome to the point on gb news with me andrew— welcome to the point on gb news with me andrew pierce and bev rwrrhe. — with me andrew pierce and bev turner. istarting_ with me andrew pierce and bev turner. istarting with- with me andrew pierce and bev turner. “g turner. so starting with some sad that broke this sad news that broke this morning. len goodman, the strictly judge has strictly come dancing judge has died at the of 78. we're died at the age of 78. we're going to look back on his life and career. yeah, going to look back on his life and career . yeah, great going to look back on his life and career. yeah, great man. met him— and career. yeah, great man. met himlfew— and career. yeah, great man. met himlfew thes— and career. yeah, great man. met himlfew times. very— a“r: rt.ra”rt;rt;” yeah, great man. met him few times. very nice him a few times. very nice hooke— him a few times. very nice hrohe. her— him a few times. very nice bloke, brit stranded after erorohers— bloke, brit stranded after diplomats and families diplomats and their families were airlifted— diplomats and their families were airlifted-of- diplomats and their families were airlifted of sudan. were airlifted out of sudan. pressure -the- were airlifted out of sudan. pressure the government pressure now on the government to pressure now on the government ro-orhers— pressure now on the government ro-orhers who — pressure now on the government to -others who are - pressure now on the government to others who are still to help others who are still srwoh— to help others who are still stuck there. _ to help others who are still stuck there. there could be porehrrehy— stuck there. there could be potentially 3000 brits still here— potentially 3000 brits still here . — potentially 3000 brits still

here . roo— potentially 3000 brits still there . rt.ra t potentially 3000 brits still- there . eco militants threatened there. eco militants threatened to target horses on parade at the coronation as just stop oil, bnng the coronation as just stop oil, bring gridlock to the capital. and she's britain's first female hreoh— and she's britain's first female hreoh rrh — and she's britain's first female hreoh rrh hur— and she's britain's first female black mp. but will she be booted out black mp. but will she be booted our of— black mp. but will she be booted our or he— black mp. but will she be booted our or he perry?— black mp. but will she be booted out of the party? we're going to get out of the party? we're going to oer rhe— out of the party? we're going to oer rhe reresr— out of the party? we're going to get the latest on _ out of the party? we're going to get the latest on the diane ahhorr— get the latest on the diane abbott letter. _ get the latest on the diane abbott letter. our . and how was abbott letter. our. and how was it abbott letter. our. and how was h for— abbott letter. our. and how was h for you— abbott letter. our. and how was h for you r — abbott letter. our. and how was it for you ? how— abbott letter. our. and how was it for you ? how was- abbott letter. our. and how was it for you ? , it for you? how was the alert? did you get one? did you get to did it make any sense to you when the message came through? are there a few red faces in whitehall over the emergency alert this morning ? we're going alert this morning? we're going to be talking about that . let us to be talking about that. let us know your thoughts on everything that we are discussing this morning. you've got loads of emails already so far. we're going tackle them as soon as going to tackle them as soon as we hear the news with tamsin roberts .

we hear the news with tamsin roberts. bev, we hear the news with tamsin roberts . bev, thank you we hear the news with tamsin roberts. bev, thank you and good morning— roberts. bev, thank you and good morning from — roberts. bev, thank you and good morning from the— roberts. bev, thank you and good morning from the gb— t bev, thank you and good morning from the gb news room. it's morning from the gb news room. rr-s 10:01.— morning from the gb news room. it's 10:01. diane— morning from the gb news room. it's 10:01. diane abbott has it's10:01. diane abbott has been— it's10:01. diane abbott has been suspended as a labour mp pending— been suspended as a labour mp pending eh— been suspended as a labour mp pending an investigation after making— pending an investigation after rhehho reorsr— pending an investigation after making racist comments in an errrohe— making racist comments in an errrore for— making racist comments in an article for the— making racist comments in an article for the observer, the former— article for the observer, the former shadow— article for the observer, the former shadow health secretary sero— former shadow health secretary said jewish—irish_ former shadow health secretary said jewish—irish and traveller people— said jewish—irish and traveller people experienced prejudice but not people experienced prejudice but no — people experienced prejudice but no .— people experienced prejudice but not racism . she— people experienced prejudice but not racism . she has since not racism. she has since whhorewh— not racism. she has since withdrawn the _ not racism. she has since withdrawn the remarks and eoohoohseh— withdrawn the remarks and apologised. labour has previously— apologised. labour has previously come under fire for enri— previously come under fire for ehrr semito— previously come under fire for anti semitic remarks made by former— anti semitic remarks made by former perry— anti semitic remarks made by former party leader jeremy oorhyh— former party leader jeremy oorhyh hur— former party leader jeremy corbyn, but shadow chief seorerery— corbyn, but shadow chief secretary to _ corbyn, but shadow chief secretary to the treasury pat woreooeh— secretary to the treasury pat mcfadden told _ secretary to the treasury pat mcfadden told us sir keir srerrher— mcfadden told us sir keir srerrher rs— mcfadden told us sir keir starmer is working to enact owhrwre— starmer is working to enact culture change— starmer is working to enact culture change within the party. it's culture change within the party. we cheer— culture change within the party. it's clear that— culture change within the party. it's clear that he's— culture change within the party. it's clear that he's genuine- it's clear that he's genuine about wanting to turn the page on that, so i think he he will make sure that the culture change that is needed happens. that's why the action that was taken yesterday took place. and i'm sure that will underline what he and the chief whip do in the future . the next stage of

the future. the next stage of a legal battle over the illegal migration bill will begin today with the court of appeal set to reconsider if it's safe to send asylum seekers to rwanda. last yean asylum seekers to rwanda. last year, two court judges 1: last year, two court judges dismissed a year, two court judges dismissed e or— year, two court judges dismissed a series of legal— year, two court judges dismissed a series of legal bids against rhe— a series of legal bids against the government's plan to send esthrh— the government's plan to send asylum seekers— the government's plan to send asylum seekers to— the government's plan to send asylum seekers to the african oowrhry— asylum seekers to the african oowhrry. e— asylum seekers to the african country, a charity— asylum seekers to the african country, a charity representing esyrwrh— country, a charity representing asylum seekers— country, a charity representing asylum seekers in the united kingdom— asylum seekers in the united kingdom ehe— asylum seekers in the united kingdom and a— asylum seekers in the united kingdom and a group of people from— kingdom and a group of people from reh— kingdom and a group of people from rreh reo— kingdom and a group of people from iran, iraq and syria are ehhhg— from iran, iraq and syria are ehhhe ro— from iran, iraq and syria are aiming to challenge the judges oeorsroh— aiming to challenge the judges oeorsroh .— aiming to challenge the judges decision . the— aiming to challenge the judges decision . the home secretary, decision. the home secretary, swehe— decision. the home secretary, suella braverman, says she needs the suella braverman, says she needs rhe orworer— suella braverman, says she needs the crucial power— suella braverman, says she needs the crucial power of— suella braverman, says she needs the crucial power of being able to the crucial power of being able ro shoo— the crucial power of being able to stop european— the crucial power of being able to stop european judges from hrewehhg— to stop european judges from intervening in— to stop european judges from intervening in the deportation of esthrh— intervening in the deportation of asylum seekers who arrive in the of asylum seekers who arrive in he wh— of asylum seekers who arrive in he uk we— of asylum seekers who arrive in the uk via unauthorised routes . the uk via unauthorised routes. soorheho-s— the uk via unauthorised routes. scotland's first— the uk via unauthorised routes. scotland's first minister will rheer— scotland's first minister will rheer whee— scotland's first minister will meet prime minister rishi sunak rerer— meet prime minister rishi sunak rerer rhrs— meet prime minister rishi sunak later this evening— meet prime minister rishi sunak later this evening for the first rime— later this evening for the first the h— later this evening for the first time in person— later this evening for the first time in person since taking orhoe— time in person since taking orhoe .— time in person since taking office . humza— time in person since taking office . humza yousaf expected office. humza yousaf is expected to office. humza yousaf is expected ro ersowss— office. humza yousaf is expected ro ersowss rhe— office. humza yousaf is expected to discuss the tax— office. humza yousaf is expected to discuss the tax rise on sooroh— to discuss the tax rise on scotch whisky— to discuss the tax rise on scotch whisky and energy support for he— scotch whisky and energy support for the drinks— scotch whisky and energy support for the drinks industry. the rheerhe— for the drinks industry. the meeting follows a scottish government's— meeting follows a scottish government's announcement to rewhoh— government's announcement to rewhoh e— government's announcement to rewhoh e heter— government's announcement to launch a legal challenge over

westminster's— launch a legal challenge over westminster's block on its controversial— westminster's block on its controversial gender reforms. rhe— controversial gender reforms. rhe proposes— controversial gender reforms. rhe proposers .— controversial gender reforms. the proposals , which would allow the proposals, which would allow people— the proposals, which would allow oeoore h— the proposals, which would allow people in scotland— the proposals, which would allow people in scotland to self roehrhy— people in scotland to self identify their— people in scotland to self identify their sex, were passed by he — identify their sex, were passed by the scottish _ identify their sex, were passed by the scottish parliament last yeer— by the scottish parliament last yeer .— by the scottish parliament last yeer . rhey— by the scottish parliament last yeer . rhey wee— by the scottish parliament last year . they were blocked by the year. they were blocked by the uk government— year. they were blocked by the uk government over their oorehrrer— uk government over their potential impact on uk wide eewehry— potential impact on uk wide eewehry rews— potential impact on uk wide eewehry rews .— potential impact on uk wide equality laws . more ministers equality laws. more ministers heoe— equality laws. more ministers hewe hero— equality laws. more ministers have held another emergency rheerhg— have held another emergency rheerhe oh— have held another emergency meeting on the— have held another emergency meeting on the conflict in sudan as meeting on the conflict in sudan es rreoheo— meeting on the conflict in sudan as trapped britons— meeting on the conflict in sudan as trapped britons have called for he— as trapped britons have called for he wh— as trapped britons have called for the uk government to come to her— for the uk government to come to her ero— for the uk government to come to her ere .— for the uk government to come to her ere . h— for the uk government to come to their aid . it comes— for the uk government to come to their aid . it comes just hours their aid. it comes just hours ether— their aid. it comes just hours eher rhe— their aid. it comes just hours after the foreign— their aid. it comes just hours after the foreign secretary rehes— after the foreign secretary james cleverly,— after the foreign secretary james cleverly, was questioned as james cleverly, was questioned es ro— james cleverly, was questioned es ro why— james cleverly, was questioned as to why british— james cleverly, was questioned as to why british diplomats were being— as to why british diplomats were being prioritised— as to why british diplomats were being prioritised over other sheen— being prioritised over other sudan based— being prioritised over other sudan based uk citizens rohowhg— sudan based uk citizens following an— sudan based uk citizens following an evacuation mission to rescue embassy— following an evacuation mission to rescue embassy staff. honorees— to rescue embassy staff. hundreds of— to rescue embassy staff. hundreds of civilians have died in hundreds of civilians have died he he— hundreds of civilians have died in the violent— hundreds of civilians have died in the violent conflict between the sudanese— in the violent conflict between the sudanese army and a rival oererhrhrery— the sudanese army and a rival paramilitary group . james paramilitary group. james orewerry— paramilitary group. james cleverly says— paramilitary group. james cleverly says the government is oohrhwhg— cleverly says the government is oohrhwhe ro— cleverly says the government is continuing to ensure the safety of continuing to ensure the safety or hrhrsh— continuing to ensure the safety of british nationals who remain in of british nationals who remain he he— of british nationals who remain he he oowhrry. — of british nationals who remain in the country. chair of the herehoe— in the country. chair of the defence select _ in the country. chair of the defence select committee, tobias rhwooo.— defence select committee, tobias ruwooo. seys— defence select committee, tobias ellwood, says gb— defence select committee, tobias ellwood, says gb told gb news the government— ellwood, says gb told gb news the government needs a clear cut preh— the government needs a clear cut 11161110— the government needs a clear cut plan ro eer— the government needs a clear cut plan to get british— the government needs a clear cut plan to get british nationals our— plan to get british nationals our of— plan to get british nationals

out of sudan— plan to get british nationals out of sudan . _ plan to get british nationals out of sudan . �*" r:rt:r“ e out of sudan. if we don't have a plan put together a recognition of where and how the expats need to get out, they will start taking things into their own hands , determining that it's too hands, determining that it's too dangerous and try and make their own way to the border and that, of could lead some of course, could lead to some some situations. some very difficult situations. so it is important that we see clarity on how now that the diplomats are out, how does everybody else get out ? former everybody else get out? former strictly come dancing- ”g : gt. rai’ former strictly come dancing judge len oooorheh— strictly come dancing judge len oooorheh hes— strictly come dancing judge len goodman has died . he was a judge goodman has died. he was a judge on he— goodman has died. he was a judge on he show— goodman has died. he was a judge on the show from _ goodman has died. he was a judge on the show from 2004 to 2016. hrs— on the show from 2004 to 2016. hrs eeehr— on the show from 2004 to 2016. hrs eoehr seys— on the show from 2004 to 2016. his agent says 78— on the show from 2004 to 2016. his agent says 78 year old len rheo— his agent says 78 year old len died peacefully— his agent says 78 year old len died peacefully ,_ his agent says 78 year old len died peacefully , saying he was a died peacefully, saying he was a hwoh— died peacefully, saying he was a rhwoh rowed— died peacefully, saying he was a much loved husband , father and much loved husband, father and orehoherher— much loved husband, father and grandfather who— much loved husband, father and grandfather who will be sorely missed— grandfather who will be sorely missed hy— grandfather who will be sorely missed by family, friends and all missed by family, friends and eh who— missed by family, friends and all who knew— missed by family, friends and all who knew him . the average all who knew him. the average house— all who knew him. the average howse phoe— all who knew him. the average howse ohoe or— all who knew him. the average house price of a— all who knew him. the average house price of a first time buyer— house price of a first time hwyer hes— house price of a first time buyer has hit— house price of a first time buyer has hit a- house price of a first time buyer has hit a record high of heerry— buyer has hit a record high of nearly £225,000. _ buyer has hit a record high of nearly £225,000. that's eooorohg— nearly £225,000. that's according to _ nearly £225,000. that's according to rightmove, who also found— according to rightmove, who also found he— according to rightmove, who also found the rising—

according to rightmove, who also found the rising cost of renting mav— found the rising cost of renting rhey he— found the rising cost of renting may be encouraging some first rime— may be encouraging some first the buyers— may be encouraging some first the hwyers ro— may be encouraging some first time buyers to make the jump ohro— time buyers to make the jump ohro rhe— time buyers to make the jump onto the property— time buyers to make the jump onto the property ladder. that's in onto the property ladder. that's h sphe— onto the property ladder. that's h shore of— onto the property ladder. that's in spite of higher— onto the property ladder. that's in spite of higher mortgage reres— in spite of higher mortgage reres .— in spite of higher mortgage rates . ambulance workers rates. ambulance workers belonging— rates. ambulance workers belonging ro— rates. ambulance workers belonging to the siptu union are hehe— belonging to the siptu union are now being balloted for strike eorroh— now being balloted for strike action employees of the national ahhwehoe— action employees of the national ambulance service— action employees of the national ambulance service are oohsroerhg— ambulance service are considering walkouts over plans to considering walkouts over plans ro hrroowoe— considering walkouts over plans to introduce new— considering walkouts over plans to introduce new pay scales and ehoroyrhehr— to introduce new pay scales and employment grades. voting will oohohwoe— employment grades. voting will oohorwoe .— employment grades. voting will oohorwoe . oh— employment grades. voting will conclude . on may— employment grades. voting will conclude . on may the 4th. 1 in 4 conclude. on may the 4th. 1 in 4 people— conclude. on may the 4th. 1 in 4 11601116 eereyeo— conclude. on may the 4th. 1 in 4 people delayed going to an nhs oehrrsr— people delayed going to an nhs oehrrsr owe— people delayed going to an nhs dentist due to— people delayed going to an nhs dentist due to rising costs of rreerrhehr— dentist due to rising costs of rreerrhehr .— dentist due to rising costs of treatment . it.— dentist due to rising costs of treatment . it. that's according treatment. it. that's according to treatment. it. that's according ro rhe— treatment. it. that's according to the british— treatment. it. that's according to the british dental association,- to the british dental association, which says it's concerned by— association, which says it's concerned by the recent 8.5% phoe— concerned by the recent 8.5% ohoe hrhe. — concerned by the recent 8.5% price hike. the— concerned by the recent 8.5% price hike. the bma also says sorro— price hike. the bma also says sew or— price hike. the bma also says sew or rhose— price hike. the bma also says 34% of those surveyed couldn't get 34% of those surveyed couldn't oer eh— 34% of those surveyed couldn't get an appointment, whilst 13% get an appointment, whilst13% rhowghr— get an appointment, whilst13% thought treatment would be too hehrwr— thought treatment would be too hehrwr .— thought treatment would be too oerhrwr . rhe— thought treatment would be too painful . the price— thought treatment would be too painful . the price increase will painful. the price increase will rhe— painful. the price increase will mean the cost— painful. the price increase will mean the cost of— painful. the price increase will mean the cost of treatments such as mean the cost of treatments such es e oheoh— mean the cost of treatments such es e oheoh wh— mean the cost of treatments such as a check up will— mean the cost of treatments such as a check up will increase from ese-so— as a check up will increase from hos-so ro— as a check up will increase from hos-so ro hos.— as a check up will increase from £23.80 to £25, whilst a filling

wru— £23.80 to £25, whilst a filling with oosr— £23.80 to £25, whilst a filling with oosr you— £23.80 to £25, whilst a filling will cost you £70.70. now the king-s— will cost you £70.70. now the king's coronation— will cost you £70.70. now the king's coronation is the second owrohesr— king's coronation is the second ewrohesr ro— king's coronation is the second ewrohesr ro he— king's coronation is the second quickest to be staged in more rheh— quickest to be staged in more rheh zoo— quickest to be staged in more than 200 years,— quickest to be staged in more than 200 years, with just eight rhohrhs— than 200 years, with just eight months between— than 200 years, with just eight months between charles's accession and— months between charles's accession and his crowning . only accession and his crowning. only his grandfather,— accession and his crowning. only his grandfather, george the srerh— his grandfather, george the sherh heo— his grandfather, george the sixth, had a— his grandfather, george the sixth, had a faster route to the ooroherroh— sixth, had a faster route to the coronation than— sixth, had a faster route to the coronation than with his ceremony held five months after he heoe— ceremony held five months after he became monarch. at 74 years of he became monarch. at 74 years or alter— he became monarch. at 74 years or ager oherres— he became monarch. at 74 years of age, charles is— he became monarch. at 74 years of age, charles is the oldest hrhrsh— of age, charles is the oldest british monarch— of age, charles is the oldest british monarch to be crowned . british monarch to be crowned. rhrs— british monarch to be crowned. rhrs rs— british monarch to be crowned. his is oh— british monarch to be crowned. this is gb news.— british monarch to be crowned. this is gb news. more from me shorty— this is gb news. more from me shorrhy .— this is gb news. more from me shorrry. wow.— this is gb news. more from me shortly . now, though, it's back shortly. now, though, it's back to shortly. now, though, it's back ro hey— shortly. now, though, it's back ro hey ehe— shortly. now, though, it's back ro hey ehe .— to bev and. andrew loose— to bev and. andrew i good morning. i to bev and. andrew good morning. thank you for to bev and. andrew good morning. thstrictlyi for joining us. so former strictly come dancing head judge len goodman has died at the age of 78. he was named for his wit and his humour— 78. he was named for his wit and his humour and— 78. he was named for his wit and his humour and he— 8 he was named for his wit and his humour and he was instantly reooehrseo— his humour and he was instantly reooohrseo hur— his humour and he was instantly recognised but wasn't on our screens featuring in strictly hom— screens featuring in strictly from zooe— screens featuring in strictly from 2004 to _ screens featuring in strictly from 2004 to 2016. in a statement,— from 2004 to 2016. in a statement, his- from 2004 to 2016. in a statement, his agent has said he

was a much loved— statement, his agent has said he was a much loved husband , father was a much loved husband, father and grandfather— was a much loved husband, father and grandfather who will be sorery— and grandfather who will be sorely missed— and grandfather who will be sorely missed by family, friends and sorely missed by family, friends eho eh— sorely missed by family, friends ehe eh who— sorely missed by family, friends and all who knew— sorely missed by family, friends and all who knew him. meanwhile,— and all who knew him. meanwhile, there's- and all who knew him. meanwhile, there's been lots of reaction on online. the tv presenter susanna reid tweeted , presenter susanna reid tweeted, oh, this is such a shock and so sad. len was an absolute legend, and the definition of a proper gent. he was a beautiful man with a huge sense of humour , who with a huge sense of humour, who had a mischievous turn of phrase . i'll never forget all bounce , . i'll never forget all bounce, bum and bongos, my love to his family. yeah, i remember susanna hero— family. yeah, i remember susanna here he— family. yeah, i remember susanna here h h— family. yeah, i remember susanna here h h how— family. yeah, i remember susanna reid in it now british— tar yeah, i remember susanna reid in it now british on a more horo— reid in it now british on a more serious note, british diplomats ehe— serious note, british diplomats ehe-rehrrres— serious note, british diplomats and families have been and their families have been heoe— and their families have been hewe heeh— and their families have been have been rescued from ongoing worehoe— have been rescued from ongoing worehoe h— have been rescued from ongoing violence in sudan.— have been rescued from ongoing violence in sudan. the prime violence in sudan. on the prime rrhrsrer— violence in sudan. on the prime minister-confirmed- minister has confirmed that worehoe— minister has confirmed that violenafrican_ minister has confirmed that violenafrican country last week north african country last week when— north african country last week whenlbreakaway_ north african country last week when breakaway military unit when a breakaway military unit began— when a breakaway military unit heoee-errerhhr- when a breakaway military unit began attempt against began a coup attempt against goverhhehr— began a coup attempt against government forces. france and the united states, they've also evacuated, evacuated their diplomatic but there are diplomatic corps, but there are still thousands people still still thousands of people still there , including many britons. there, including many britons. that's right. so joining us for more is the political commentator, benedict spence. good morning, benedict. great to see you this is one of those

situations that we live our lives in the uk in great britain. we're just sort of going about our business. we don't realise that something pretty spectacularly , you know, pretty spectacularly, you know, dangerous for british people is happening over in north africa. but apparently the government have known for a while. do you think they should have warned people to get out sooner ? yes, people to get out sooner? yes, i think ultimately it— people to get out sooner? yes, i think ultimately it should- think ultimately it should erweys— think ultimately it should erweys he— think ultimately it should always be the— think ultimately it should always be the responsible motty of always be the responsible motty or he— always be the responsible motty of the government— always be the responsible motty of the government to let people know— of the government to let people know he— of the government to let people know in countries— of the government to let people know in countries like this that his— know in countries like this that his rs— know in countries like this that his is e— know in countries like this that this is a difficult— know in countries like this that this is a difficult situation, ehrhoweh— this is a difficult situation, ehhowgh r— this is a difficult situation, although i would say that sudan has although i would say that sudan hes-e— although i would say that sudan has-a particularly- has not been a particularly srehre— has not been a particularly stable country— has not been a particularly stable country for time, it stable country for some time, it eoese-r— stable country for some time, it ooesh-r-wery— stable country for some time, it ooesh-r-wery hehhy- doesn't have a very happy hrsrory.— doesn't have a very happy hrsrory-r— doesn't have a very happy hrsrory-r oo- doesn't have a very happy history. i do think that history. and i do think that whenever anybody goes to a oowhrry— whenever anybody goes to a oowhrry rhe— whenever anybody goes to a country like that, or be it, you know.— country like that, or be it, you know. he— country like that, or be it, you know. he h— country like that, or be it, you know, be it sudan,— country like that, or be it, you know, be it sudan, be it neighbouring- know, be it sudan, be it neighbouring ethiopia, which hseh— neighbouring ethiopia, which hseh heo— neighbouring ethiopia, which hseh hee e— neighbouring ethiopia, which itself had a civil war last yeer— itself had a civil war last yeer. you— itself had a civil war last year, you know, you always do heoe—your- year, you know, you always do heoe—your eyes| have to go in with your eyes whoe— have to go in with your eyes wide-knowing- have to go in with your eyes wide knowing what kind of wide open, knowing what kind of a wide open, knowing what kind of e weoe— wide open, knowing what kind of e ereoe h— wide open, knowing what kind of e ereoe h rs— wide open, knowing what kind of a place it is, knowing what kind of a place it is, knowing what kind or-rwh— a place it is, knowing what kind or-rwh h— a place it is, knowing what kind or-rwh h ehe— a place it is, knowing what kind of-run it and what- a place it is, knowing what kind of run it and what kind of people run it and what kind of people run it and what kind or people— of people run it and what kind or 11601116 rhrohr— of people run it and what kind of people might to it, of people might want to run it, you— of people might want to run it, you know?— of people might want to run it, you know?.that's_ of people might want to run it, you know? that's not to say you know? so that's not to say her— you know? so that's not to say her h-s— you know? so that's not to say her its your— you know? so that's not to say that it's your own— you know? so that's not to say that it's your own fault if you

ehe— that it's your own fault if you eholoewghr— that it's your own fault if you end-caught in— that it's your own fault if you end-caught in a- that it's your own fault if you end caught in a war zone. i'm end up caught in a war zone. i'm not end up caught in a war zone. i'm nor-rheo— end up caught in a war zone. i'm nor-her. her.— end up caught in a war zone. i'm not-that, but,-know,l not saying that, but, you know, if not saying that, but, you know, h-h— not saying that, but, you know, h-h swoeh— not saying that, but, you know, if-in sudan, you're- not saying that, but, you know, if in sudan, you're in if you're in sudan, you're in swoeh— if you're in sudan, you're in sudan .various- if you're in sudan, you're in sudan various reasons that sudan for various reasons that are sudan for various reasons that ee-ery— sudan for various reasons that are-very different- sudan for various reasons that are very different to are probably very different to working— are probably very different to working or— are probably very different to working or living in the uk. as you—rhinos- working or living in the uk. as. yoe—rhinos heooeh you say, you know, things happen erowho— you say, you know, things happen erowho-worro— you say, you know, things happen around .world-are- you say, you know, things happen around world are very, around the world that are very, very—rhe- very different and the difficulty— very different and the difficulty suppose, given difficulty is, i suppose, given her— difficulty is, i suppose, given that-diplomatic- difficulty is, i suppose, given that diplomatic staff have that the diplomatic staff have been— that the diplomatic staff have heeh—rhey-wei that the diplomatic staff have. been _they've been been airlifted out, they've been eerreoreo— been airlifted out, they've been extracted - military- extracted with military assistance _ extracted with military assistance ,- extracted with military assistance , that makes it even assistance, that makes it even here— assistance, that makes it even heroer for— assistance, that makes it even harder for people— assistance, that makes it even harder for people on the ground to harder for people on the ground ro eer— harder for people on the ground ro oer eerehoe.— harder for people on the ground to get advice, to— harder for people on the ground to get advice, to know what to do .— to get advice, to know what to do . hur— to get advice, to know what to do . her eeerh— to get advice, to know what to do . but again, in— to get advice, to know what to do. but again, in such an eventuality, _ do. but again, in such an eventuality, people need to reoohrese— eventuality, people need to recognise the _ eventuality, people need to recognise the diplomatic staff are recognise the diplomatic staff erweys— recognise the diplomatic staff are always going— recognise the diplomatic staff are always going to be the first people— are always going to be the first people ro— are always going to be the first people ro he— are always going to be the first people to be airlifted out heose— people to be airlifted out because they— people to be airlifted out because they are direct targets, esoeorehy— because they are direct targets, esoeorehy h— because they are direct targets, especially if, as— because they are direct targets, especially if, as is— because they are direct targets, especially if, as is the case in sud...— especially if, as is the case in swoeh hor— especially if, as is the case in sudan, not all— especially if, as is the case in sudan, not all of— especially if, as is the case in sudan, not all of the combatants are necessarily— sudan, not all of the combatants are necessarily friendly or even hewrrer— are necessarily friendly or even neutral towards _ are necessarily friendly or even neutral towards the uk and its oowerhrhehr— neutral towards the uk and its government and— neutral towards the uk and its government and they move very ewrohy. — government and they move very quickly. benedict— government and they move very quickly. benedict of- government and they move very quickly. : rt. rt.ra. quickly. benedict of course they were rather scarred by the disasters that unfolded with the fall of kabul. the british government completely underestimated how quickly the taliban would the capital. taliban would take the capital. and of course, the then foreign secretary was on secretary dominic raab, was on houday secretary dominic raab, was on holiday and wasn't interrupting his and i think also

his holiday. and i think also the same applied to the most senior civil servant in the foreign office. they really got that one badly wrong . they did. that one badly wrong. they did. there are some— : 3 they did. there are some differences here. rhe— there are some differences here. he rehheh— there are some differences here. the taliban to— there are some differences here. the taliban to give— there are some differences here. the taliban to give them some orerhh— the taliban to give them some oreohr. wee— the taliban to give them some credit, were rather— the taliban to give them some credit, were rather magnanimous roweros— credit, were rather magnanimous roweros rhe— credit, were rather magnanimous towards the scrambling fleeing wesrerh — towards the scrambling fleeing western diplomats and military hoes— western diplomats and military roes rhey— western diplomats and military forces. they weren't sort of soothe— forces. they weren't sort of soorhho ror— forces. they weren't sort of soorhho for e— forces. they weren't sort of spoiling for a fight. and they heoe— spoiling for a fight. and they heoe h— spoiling for a fight. and they heoe h very— spoiling for a fight. and they made it very clear that actually the made it very clear that actually he rhreer— made it very clear that actually the threat there— made it very clear that actually the threat there came from daesh . aho— the threat there came from daesh . who eohwehy— the threat there came from daesh . and actually, you— the threat there came from daesh . and actually, you know, the rehheh— . and actually, you know, the taliban particularly like taliban don't particularly like heesh— taliban don't particularly like heesh-h— taliban don't particularly like daesh,-it was— taliban don't particularly like daesh, it was much as much daesh, and it was much as much of daesh, and it was much as much or eh— daesh, and it was much as much of an inconvenience— daesh, and it was much as much of an inconvenience to them as it of an inconvenience to them as h-ro— of an inconvenience to them as it-to westerners- of an inconvenience to them as it-to westerners in- of an inconvenience to them as it to westerners in sudan, it was to westerners in sudan, it's it was to westerners in sudan, h-s—srory. - it was to westerners in sudan, h-s—srory. vow- it's a different story. you know.— it's a different story. you know-oo— it's a different story. you know, - do -the i it's a different story. you know, - do -the you know, you do have the active you heoe— know, you do have the active you heoe-heoe— know, you do have the active you heoe-heoe rhe— know, you do have the active you have have the activities, have you have the activities, rhe—or- have you have the activities, rhe—or rhe- have you have the activities,- the_of the wagner the involvement of the wagner oererhrhrery— the involvement of the wagner paramilitary russia's paramilitary force, russia's oererhrhrery— paramilitary force, russia's- paramilitary—been paramilitary force that has been very—worrh- paramilitary force that has been very_ north africa i very active across north africa ehe— very active across north africa end he— very active across north africa and the sahel— very active across north africa and the sahel for— very active across north africa and the sahel for some time. you know.— and the sahel for some time. you know. rhey-re — and the sahel for some time. you know, they're far— and the sahel for some time. you know, they're far less likely to give— know, they're far less likely to give rwo — know, they're far less likely to give two hoots_ know, they're far less likely to give two hoots about the safety of give two hoots about the safety or hrhrsh— give two hoots about the safety of british diplomats the of british diplomats than the rehheh— of british diplomats than thei taliban _they're taliban are. you know, they're hor— taliban are. you know, they're no running— taliban are. you know, they're no running e— taliban are. you know, they're not running a pr— taliban are. you know, they're not running a pr campaign trying to not running a pr campaign trying ro-rher— not running a pr campaign trying ro-rher rhey-re — to say that they're a responsible - to say that they're a responsible government. they're out responsible government. they're our—our- out for blood. they're out for he— out for blood. they're out for rhe-aho— out for blood. they're out for the _and that's- out for blood. they're out for the and that's that's the spoils. and that's that's whrrherery— the spoils. and that's that's ultimately the _ the spoils. and that's that's ultimately the case when it ro— ultimately the case when it comes to the _ ultimately the case when it comes to the two fighting sides.

rhrs— comes to the two fighting sides. rhrs rs— comes to the two fighting sides. his is ho— comes to the two fighting sides. this is no longer— comes to the two fighting sides. this is no longer a— comes to the two fighting sides. this is no longer a situation where— this is no longer a situation where yoe— this is no longer a situation where you've got— this is no longer a situation where you've got one side rohhe— where you've got one side rolling thro— where you've got one side rolling into-to- where you've got one side rolling into to try and rolling into town to try and assume-mantle- rolling into town to try and assume mantle of a assume the mantle of a ooerhrhehr. — assume the mantle of a government. got assume the mantle of a- government. _got two sides government. you've got two sides slugging— government. you've got two sides shoeing—know.- slugging it out and you know, reehy— slugging it out and you know, reehyloeohre— slugging it out and you know, really, people get caught really, if people get caught up in .crossfire,_ really, if people get caught up in crossfire, unless it's in the crossfire, unless it's or— in the crossfire, unless it's oflvery_ in the crossfire, unless it's one of very small number of one of a very small number of oowhhesr— one of a very small number of oowhhesr .— one of a very small number of countries , there's— one of a very small number of countries , there's going to countries, there's not going to be countries, there's not going to heoohoerh- hor- countries, there's not going to be concern for their be too much concern for their weuhehe. — be too much concern for their wellbeing. and,— be too much concern for their wellbeing. and, know, be too much concern for their wellbeiis|. and, know, be too much concern for their wellbeiis no nd, know, be too much concern for their wellbeiis no longer know, be too much concern for their wellbeiis no longer the )w, be too much concern for their wellbeiis no longer the sort of britain is no longer the sort of oowhrry— britain is no longer the sort of oowhrry-oeh— britain is no longer the sort of country-can send- britain is no longer the sort of country can send gunboats country that can send gunboats ehe— country that can send gunboats ehe-ro— country that can send gunboats ehe-ho oreoes- country that can send gunboats and-to places like- and divisions to places like egypt— and divisions to places like royor wheh— and divisions to places like egypt when things run awry here.— egypt when things run awry here-rhe- egypt when things run awry there. that country there. we're not that country anymore-need- there. we're not that country anymore. need to rely our anymore. we need to rely on our ehhes— anymore. we need to rely on our allies,-united_ anymore. we need to rely on our allies, united states, on allies, on the united states, on rrehoe— allies, on the united states, on rrehoe .— allies, on the united states, on france , on _the - allies, on the united states, on france , on the other france, on japan, the other oowhhesr— france, on japan, the other countries that— france, on japan, the other countries that are getting hwoweo— countries that are getting involved airlifting people involved in airlifting people out involved in airlifting people owrlrhe— involved in airlifting people out-the country,- involved in airlifting people out the country, saudi arabia out of the country, saudi arabia wes-ro— out of the country, saudi arabia wes-ho oo— out of the country, saudi arabia wes-ho to h— out of the country, saudi arabia was-to do it very- was able to do it very effectively, - was able to do it very effectively, quickly. was able to do it very- effectively,-quickly. but was able to do it very- ef1course, ,-quickly. but was able to do it very ef1course, that's quickly. but was able to do it very ef1course, that's because3ut was able to do it very ef1course, that's because they of course, that's because they hewe — of course, that's because they hewe srrohg — of course, that's because they have strong ties— of course, that's because they have strong ties with sudan and her— have strong ties with sudan and her oeooreohro— have strong ties with sudan and their geographic albie it their geographic albie find it hwoh— their geographic albie find it ohso—- their geographic albie find it ohso— .- their geographic albie find it much—so . and. much easier to do so. and rher-s— much easier to do so. and rher-s rh— much easier to do so. and that's, i'm afraid, is something he— that's, i'm afraid, is something her people— that's, i'm afraid, is something he people-sto— that's, i'm afraid, is something that people go abroad, brits that people who go abroad, brits who—oheoes- that people who go abroad, brits who—places like- who go abroad to places like his— who go abroad to places like hrs-keep— who go abroad to places like this,-keep.mind. who go abroad to places like. this,-keep.mind we're this, need to keep in mind we're not this, need to keep in mind we're horloowhrry— this, need to keep in mind we're notlcountry that— this, need to keep in mind we're not country that pays ransoms not a country that pays ransoms for hosreges. — not a country that pays ransoms for hostages. we're— not a country that pays ransoms for hostages. we're not a oowhrry— for hostages. we're not a oowhrry rher— for hostages. we're not a country that can send the country that can send in the memes— country that can send in the werhes hor— country that can send in the marines for everybody who gets oewghr— marines for everybody who gets oewghrlh— marines for everybody who gets oewehrlh e— marines for everybody who gets caught-in a bad— marines for everybody who gets caught in a bad situation caught up in a bad situation he— caught up in a bad situation rher-reehry- caught up in a bad situation that-reality of- caught up in a bad situation that reality of the uk that is the reality of the uk rhese— that is the reality of the uk rhese- — that is the reality of the uk these-. benedict- that is the reality of the uk these-. benedict i. that is the reality of the uk. these-. benedict i don't these days. benedict i don't know. i mean, you're an expert

these days. benedict i don't kn1mostnean, you're an expert these days. benedict i don't kn1most topics. 'ou're an expert these days. benedict i don't kn1most topics. iu're an expert these days. benedict i don't kn1most topics. i don'tn expert these days. benedict i don't kn1most topics. i don't knowert these days. benedict i don't kn1most topics. i don't know how on most topics. i don't know how much expert you are on on much of an expert you are on on sudan, one of the sudan, but one of the interesting elements of this story i've heard story that i've heard this morning fact that you've morning is the fact that you've got and china both got russia and china both circling to make some sort of capital deal out of this situation . do you know much situation. do you know much about the potential for that china has been pursuing a policy of economic colonial ism in africa for some time as the west has been pulling back? it has seen the opportunities- has been pulling back? it has seen the opportunities of- “g t“ it has seen the opportunities of the eerrhs— seen the opportunities of the rare earths and— seen the opportunities of the rare earths and the resources rher— rare earths and the resources we ee— rare earths and the resources that are there— rare earths and the resources that are there and the human oehrrer— that are there and the human oeorrer rher-s— that are there and the human capital that's there. it's it ooereres— capital that's there. it's it ooereres h— capital that's there. it's it operates in a— capital that's there. it's it operates in a very different way to operates in a very different way ro mosh— operates in a very different way ro rhosr orher— operates in a very different way to most other countries. it's hor— to most other countries. it's not interested _ to most other countries. it's not interested in— to most other countries. it's not interested in putting troops on he— not interested in putting troops on he ground.— not interested in putting troops on the ground. it's not interested— on the ground. it's not interested in,- on the ground. it's not interested in, you know, rrehsoorrho— interested in, you know, transporting population interested in, you know, trans;to ting population interested in, you know, trans;to live. population interested in, you know, trans;to live. it population interested in, you know, trans;to live. it is»pulation interested in, you know, trans;to live. it is outation interested in, you know, trans;to live. it is out there there to live. it is out there for— there to live. it is out there for he— there to live. it is out there for the money— there to live. it is out there for the money in- there to live. it is out there for the money in much the same way— for the money in much the same way-90t— for the money in much the same way-got involved- for the money in much the same way-got involved in- way that it got involved in afghanistan.— afghanistan. there are no ohhese— afghanistan. there are no ohhese-h- afghanistan. there are no chinese in afghanistan, afghanistan. there are no chirthere in afghanistan, afghanistan. there are no chirthere are in afghanistan, afghanistan. there are no chirthere are in of|hanistan, afghanistan. there are no chirthere are in of business but there are lots of business oooohrhrrres. — but there are lots of business opportunities. does opportunities. russia does rhhes— opportunities. russia does rhhes h— opportunities. russia does hints in e— opportunities. russia does things in a slightly more, if you— things in a slightly more, if you-oro— things in a slightly more, if you old fashioned way. you like, old fashioned way. here— you like, old fashioned way. there-russian- you like, old fashioned way. there russian mercenaries there are russian mercenaries ooererhe—arhoel operating across north africa ehe— operating across north africa ehe-rrehhg- operating across north africa and training different and they are training different oererhrhrery— and they are training different paramilitary organisations , they paramilitary organisations, they are

paramilitary organisations, they funding— paramilitary organisations, they are funding them, they are s1111111111119— are funding them, they are supplying as_ are funding them, they are supplying as the iranians are, but ultimately— supplying as the iranians are, but ultimately also as the wired— but ultimately also as the united states— but ultimately also as the united states and france have been— united states and france have been oohe— united states and france have been doing for— united states and france have been doing for some time. what you wru— been doing for some time. what you with oheh— been doing for some time. what you will often find— been doing for some time. what you will often find when it ro— you will often find when it comes to coups— you will often find when it comes to coups in this part of he— comes to coups in this part of he wore— comes to coups in this part of he worro rs— comes to coups in this part of the world is that— comes to coups in this part of the world is that they are oorhrhhreo— the world is that they are committed by— the world is that they are committed by organisations, not whh—or— committed by organisations, not whh—or rhe- committed by organisations, not with _of the unitedl with the backing of the united sreres— states, but that the united states inadvertently states is inadvertently trained ehe— states is inadvertently trained ehe herheo— states is inadvertently trained ehe heroeo ro— states is inadvertently trained and helped to arm. russia is filling— and helped to arm. russia is three-wore— and helped to arm. russia is filling-void now- and helped to arm. russia is filling void now because filling that void now because the filling that void now because rhe-sreres— filling that void now because the states stepped the united states has stepped heoh— the united states has stepped heoh-rhrs— the united states has stepped back-thislthe- the united states has stepped back this the game that back. but this is the game that wesrerh— back. but this is the game that western—always. western powers have always oreyeo—hehrl played in africa. all right. rher-s— played in africa. all right. that's benedict spence. thank you so— that's benedict spence. thank you so heooh— that's benedict spence. thank you so much for— that's benedict spence. thank you so much forjoining us. we're going to on now to we're going to move on now to diane abbott . extraordinary. bev diane abbott. extraordinary. bev the letter she wrote to the observer, she's trying to wriggle out of it. she's she's she's effectively been suspended from the parliamentary party, but she's still in the labour party. garry mond is chairman of the national jurist association . garry, i thought after the equality and human rights commission which, which concluded under jeremy corbyn's leadership, there was rampant anti—semitism , nothing not much anti—semitism, nothing not much was done about it. lots of people left the labour party

over it, but keir starmer said he'd cleansed the augean stable. he clearly hasn't because of diane abbott is a very senior party figure . it goes far beyond party figure. it goes far beyond orehe— party figure. it goes far beyond orehe ahhorr— party figure. it goes far beyond diane abbott .— party figure. it goes far beyond diane abbott. she's— �*" g. ”rt; it goes far beyond diane abbott. she's just one rherhehr— diane abbott. she's just one rherhehr or— diane abbott. she's just one member of parliament. there are zoo— member of parliament. there are 202 hehowr— member of parliament. there are 202 labour members of parliament and 202 labour members of parliament ehe rh— 202 labour members of parliament end the unswe— 202 labour members of parliament and i'm unsure as— 202 labour members of parliament and i'm unsure as to— 202 labour members of parliament and i'm unsure as to how many of here— and i'm unsure as to how many of here how— and i'm unsure as to how many of them hold maybe— and i'm unsure as to how many of them hold maybe not exactly the same views as diane abbott, but shhher— same views as diane abbott, but shhher wews— same views as diane abbott, but similar views. and _ same views as diane abbott, but similar views. and it actually he— similar views. and it actually he rhwoh— similar views. and it actually can be much worse because if you hook— can be much worse because if you hook er— can be much worse because if you hook er rhe— can be much worse because if you look at the opinion— can be much worse because if you look at the opinion polls which are look at the opinion polls which ere—her— look at the opinion polls which are—that after- look at the opinion polls which are _that after the. are suggesting that after the her— are suggesting that after the next election,— are suggesting that after the next election, labour might have eso— next election, labour might have woo ro— next election, labour might have woo ro soo— next election, labour might have 450 to 500 mps._ next election, labour might have 450 to 500 mps. _ next election, labour might have 450 to 500 mp5. “a“; next election, labour might have 450 to 500 mps. “a“y 450 to 500 mps. how many of these 250 to 300 extra new labour mps can we be certain do not hold corbyn nester type views ? so how what do you make views? so how what do you make of views? so how what do you make or ahhorr-s— views? so how what do you make of abbott's attempt— views? so how what do you make of abbott's attempt to _ . , so how what do you make of abbott's attempt to say it e herr— of abbott's attempt to say it was a draft that— of abbott's attempt to say it was a draft that she sent to the hewsoeher— was a draft that she sent to the hewsoeoer hy— was a draft that she sent to the newspaper by mistake? she didn't and newspaper by mistake? she didn't end she-s— newspaper by mistake? she didn't and she's apologised and she's rheo— and she's apologised and she's rheo ro— and she's apologised and she's tried to withdraw— and she's apologised and she's tried to withdraw on it when we know— tried to withdraw on it when we know she-s— tried to withdraw on it when we know she-s very— tried to withdraw on it when we know she's very close to jeremy oorhyh. — know she's very close to jeremy oorhyh. who — know she's very close to jeremy corbyn. and there— know she's very close to jeremy corbyn. and there is on that she— corbyn. and there is on that she or— corbyn. and there is on that she or he— corbyn. and there is on that side of the labour party, a hrsrory— side of the labour party, a hrsrory or— side of the labour party, a history of antagon towards history of antagon ism towards the-community. - the jewish community. my reeorroh— the jewish community. my- reaction _ shock. reaction was complete shock. her— reaction was complete shock. her apology— reaction was complete shock. her apology or— reaction was complete shock. her apology or lack- reaction was complete shock. her apology or lack of- reaction was complete shock. her apology or lack of apology

that you even think such a that you can even think such a thing in the first place is completely me. how so? completely beyond me. how so? diane abbott can actually oohsroer— diane abbott can actually consider saying such thing. consider— consider saying such thing. consider writing— consider saying such thing. consider writing such- consider saying such thing. consider writing such comments about jews and racism . jewish about jews and racism. jewish community have— a“r: ”at. jewish community have suffered racism for honorees— community have suffered racism for hundreds of— community have suffered racism for hundreds of years . 1ra for hundreds of years. do you remember that during the holocaust, if you were jewish, it was no use trying to convert to becoming a christian. when you were targeted— to becoming a christian. when you were targeted for- you were targeted for persecution - you were targeted for persecution and extermination. reeorhy— persecution and extermination. reeorhy rhe — persecution and extermination. exactly the same— persecution and extermination. exactly the same way as anybody who— exactly the same way as anybody who wes— exactly the same way as anybody who was jewish. _ exactly the same way as anybody who was jewish. the fact that you— who was jewish. the fact that you oohwerreo— who was jewish. the fact that you converted to— who was jewish. the fact that you converted to christianity is rrrerewehr. — you converted to christianity is irrelevant. it's— you converted to christianity is irrelevant. it's a— you converted to christianity is irrelevant. e ”at. irrelevant. it's a racist system. and of- irrelevant. e ”at. 51g and of course, in irrelevant. it's a racist- system. and of course, in diane ahhorr-s— system. and of course, in diane abbott's unconnected - 51g and of course, in diane abbott's unconnected agency, rhere— abbott's unconnected agency, rhere ee— abbott's unconnected agency, there are vast— abbott's unconnected agency, there are vast numbers of srerhroro— there are vast numbers of stamford hill— there are vast numbers of stamford hill . t there are vast numbers of stamford hill . . ga. stamford hill. it's got the biggest orthodox community in the country and we we're hearing every now and again, probably weekly, almost of an anti—semitic attack in stamford hill. gary, why are these erreohs— hill. gary, why are these attacks on _ hill. gary, why are these attacks on the- .. gary, why are these attacks on the increase in the uk s — attacks on the increase in the uk s r— attacks on the increase in the uk s r rhrhh— attacks on the increase in the uk 7 i think that— attacks on the increase in the uk ? ."1ii:”11il attacks on the increase in the uk 7 uk? i think that there is essentially, as we as as the years go by, growing amounts of

anti—semitism. i'm years go by, growing amounts of anti—semitism . i'm actually not anti—semitism. i'm actually not use anti—semitism. i'm actually not rhe— anti—semitism. i'm actually not he wore— . i'm actually not use the word anti—semitism . i'd use the word anti—semitism. i'd oeu— use the word anti—semitism. i'd oeh h— use the word anti—semitism. i'd oerr h jew— use the word anti—semitism. i'd call it jew hatred. _ use the word anti—semitism. i'd call it jew hatred. gar: call it jew hatred. i'm glad you do, because a lot of people don't know what they don't know what anti semitism means particularly. i think much particularly. i think it's much better it hatred. better to call it jew hatred. that's it is. and certainly that's what it is. and certainly my organisation uses the expression frequently whenever it can. and what has happened is i it it can. and what has happened is r-rr ooes— it can. and what has happened is i-it comes right— it can. and what has happened is i-it comes right back- . t“ and what has happened is i it comes right back all . t“ and what has happened is i wayt comes right back all . t“ and what has happened is i way downas right back all . t“ and what has happened is i way down to right back all . t“ and what has happened is i way down to thet back all . t“ and what has happened is i way down to the schools.l . t“ and what has happened is i way down to the schools that the way down to the schools that oerhehs— the way down to the schools that oerhehs-rs— the way down to the schools that oerhehs-rs hor— the way down to the schools that perhaps is not enough perhaps there is not enough being— perhaps there is not enough being-educate- perhaps there is not enough being educate children being done to educate children ehowr— being done to educate children ehowr — being done to educate children about racism and— being done to educate children about racism and in particular ehowr— about racism and in particular ehowr y...— about racism and in particular about jew hatred. _ about racism and in particular about jew hatred. but where is it about jew hatred. but where is hr oorhhg— about jew hatred. but where is it coming from? _ about jew hatred. but where is it coming from? i— about jew hatred. but where is it coming from? ta“ . g it coming from? i can't imagine for one second that my children , they would find it baffling. i grew up in a very jewish area of nonh grew up in a very jewish area of north manchester as well, and it just wasn't something i ever saw or recognised identified growing up . and i just presume that my up. and i just presume that my children would it would be lost on them. they understand racism based on melanin in someone's skin. that's visual. they see that. so where are these attacks coming from ? i think it's just coming from? i think it's just sherry— coming from? i think it's just simply e— coming from? i think it's just simply e oreeohe— rt “g , ithink it'sjust simply a creeping growth of the orseese— simply a creeping growth of the orseese or— simply a creeping growth of the disease of the— simply a creeping growth of the disease of the virus , of jew disease of the virus, of jew herew— disease of the virus, of jew hatred, which— disease of the virus, of jew

hatred, which is— disease of the virus, of jew hatred, which is getting worse eeoh— hatred, which is getting worse eeoh yeer. — hatred, which is getting worse each year. occasionally one year it each year. occasionally one year rr ters— each year. occasionally one year hr eers sess— each year. occasionally one year it gets less bad— each year. occasionally one year it gets less bad than another yeer— it gets less bad than another yeer. we— it gets less bad than another yeer. we gor— it gets less bad than another year. we got excellent figures oorhhg— year. we got excellent figures oorhho from — year. we got excellent figures coming from the— year. we got excellent figures coming from the community seowrhy— coming from the community security _which- coming from the community security which is a major security trust, which is a major rewrsh— security trust, which is a major rewrsh suppor— security trust, which is a major jewish support group. but the eorweh— jewish support group. but the eorweh rhe— jewish support group. but the actual the actual virus of jew hereo— actual the actual virus of jew herreo .— actual the actual virus of jew herreo . seohy— actual the actual virus of jew hatred , sadly is— actual the actual virus of jew hatred , sadly is growing. and hatred, sadly is growing. and the — hatred, sadly is growing. and the sorry.— hatred, sadly is growing. and m sorry. hur— hatred, sadly is growing. and m sorry. her r— hatred, sadly is growing. and i'm sorry, but i think it is oorhhe— i'm sorry, but i think it is oorhhg er— i'm sorry, but i think it is coming at the— i'm sorry, but i think it is coming at the education route. it's coming at the education route. rr-s rhy— coming at the education route. rr-s rhy oersoher— coming at the education route. it's my personal opinion. the she— it's my personal opinion. the she we— it's my personal opinion. the she trying— it's my personal opinion. the she was trying to— it's my personal opinion. the she was trying to say,- it's my personal opinion. the she was trying to say, wasn't she? you have to be black to have experience . real racism. have experience. real racism. she was entering into like a hierarchy of racist abuse. well of course, she made the point about blacks were made to sit at the back of the bus. yes. jews were made the back of the bus. yes. jews heoe ro— the back of the bus. yes. jews were made to sit— the back of the bus. yes. jews were made to sit in— t yes. jews were made to sit in cattle rrwohs— were made to sit in cattle rrwohs oh— were made to sit in cattle trucks on 500— were made to sit in cattle trucks on 500 mile train rowrheys— trucks on 500 mile train journeys with _ trucks on 500 mile train journeys with no food, no water, no sehherroh— journeys with no food, no water, no sehrrerroh . — journeys with no food, no water, no sanitation . or— journeys with no food, no water, no sanitation . 1:31” no sanitation. or what about your own personal family going back in the years? how were they affected by the holocaust? well, my grandfather was one of the rews— well, my grandfather was one of he jews who— well, my grandfather was one of the jews who survived through osher— the jews who survived through oskar schindler. _ the jews who survived through oskar schindler. he was one of the oskar schindler. he was one of he roo— oskar schindler. he was one of the 750 jews— oskar schindler. he was one of the 750 jews on— oskar schindler. he was one of the 750 jews on the list. and here— the 750 jews on the list. and here rs— the 750 jews on the list. and here is hrs— the 750 jews on the list. and there is his name— the 750 jews on the list. and there is his name is on the preque— there is his name is on the

plaquer whroh— there is his name is on the plaque, which is- there is his name is on the plaque, which is at the place of work— plaque, which is at the place of work oerhh. — plaque, which is at the place of work oerho. aho— plaque, which is at the place of work camp. and i— plaque, which is at the place of work camp. and i have a picture of work camp. and i have a picture or my— work camp. and i have a picture or my eewohrer— work camp. and i have a picture of my daughter with with her weer— of my daughter with with her great grandfather, actually buy her— great grandfather, actually buy her plaque-— great grandfather, actually buy her three so— great grandfather, actually buy that plaque. so he was one of he— that plaque. so he was one of he hooky— that plaque. so he was one of the lucky ones. _ that plaque. so he was one of the lucky ones. he was one of he— the lucky ones. he was one of he hooky— the lucky ones. he was one of the lucky ones. _ the lucky ones. he was one of the lucky ones. my father was erso— the lucky ones. my father was erso very— the lucky ones. my father was erso wery rwohy. — the lucky ones. my father was also very lucky. he was actually been— also very lucky. he was actually been seer— also very lucky. he was actually been sehr ro— also very lucky. he was actually been sent to a— also very lucky. he was actually been sent to a boarding school in been sent to a boarding school he hhghroh— been sent to a boarding school he hhohroh h— been sent to a boarding school in brighton in 1938, and he came heoh— in brighton in 1938, and he came heoh eerhy— in brighton in 1938, and he came heoh eerry hor— in brighton in 1938, and he came back early for the— in brighton in 1938, and he came back early for the 1939 autumn rerrh — back early for the 1939 autumn rerrh heose— back early for the 1939 autumn term because he— back early for the 1939 autumn term because he had to sit an ehe— term because he had to sit an end if— term because he had to sit an exam and if he— term because he had to sit an exam and if he had passed the hrsr— exam and if he had passed the exam first time,— exam and if he had passed the exam first time, he wouldn't heoe— exam first time, he wouldn't have come back— exam first time, he wouldn't have come back early and he wowhh-r— have come back early and he wouldn't have— have come back early and he wouldn't have come back at all heose— wouldn't have come back at all heose rhe— wouldn't have come back at all because the invaded the 1st because the invaded on the 1st of because the invaded on the 1st orseorerhher. — because the invaded on the 1st of september. the- because the invaded on the 1st of september. a“r: r:r1a because the invaded on the 1st of september. a“r: r:ra of september. the and do you think enough is taught in schools about the holocaust, essentially ? no. i think that a essentially? no. i think that a tor.— essentially? no. i think that a hor- r— essentially? no. i think that a hor- r heeh— essentially? no. i think that a lot. i mean, really— essentially? no. i think that a lot. i mean, really ,- essentially? no. i think that a lot. i mean, really , i- ratt?’ no. i think that a lot. i mean, really , i would lot. i mean, really, i would recommend certain books that showro— recommend certain books that showro he— recommend certain books that should be recommended reading my rewowrrre— should be recommended reading my rewowrrre hook— should be recommended reading my favourite book on— should be recommended reading my favourite book on the holocaust. it's favourite book on the holocaust. rr-s e— favourite book on the holocaust. it's a horrible— favourite book on the holocaust. it's a horrible read,— favourite book on the holocaust. it's a horrible read, but it is sorherhhg— it's a horrible read, but it is something should be something that should be introduced— something that should be introduced is— something that should be introduced is a book called rorgeo— introduced is a book called roreeo h— introduced is a book called forged h hwy— introduced is a book called forged in fury by michael elkins . whroh— forged in fury by michael elkins . whroh rhe— forged in fury by michael elkins , which the first— forged in fury by michael elkins , which the first half it is the reehy— , which the first half it is the reeuy reh— , which the first half it is the really full details of the holocaust. _ really full details of the holocaust. and the second half of holocaust. and the second half or rr— holocaust. and the second half or hr wes—

holocaust. and the second half or hr rhe— holocaust. and the second half of it was the various less than swooessrw— of it was the various less than successful attempts to bring war orhhhehs— successful attempts to bring war orhhhers ro— successful attempts to bring war criminals to justice. okay. extraordinary. thank you. thank you, gary . gary maughn from the you, gary. gary maughn from the werroher— you, gary. gary maughn from the national jewish— crag gary maughn from the national jewish association. outre— national jewish association. owrre e— national jewish association. owrre e rew- — national jewish association. quite a few, age- national jewish association. quite a few. / /r1t:r. national jewish association. quite a few. 11/rtra“ 1/ra. 1“ quite a few. yeah. you've been getting in touch, alan said abbott's views are still endemically held by many others in the labour party. starmer hasn't dealt with the hasn't remotely dealt with the problem and dyer said in my opinion she's done nothing for race relations a victim race relations but be a victim and i've never and divide people. i've never heard about uniting heard her speak about uniting people. catherine people. and catherine says she wrote was a letter wrote the email. it was a letter in the paper her own in the paper of her own volition, so no apologies of worth. must be thrown out of worth. she must be thrown out of parliament. disgraceful conduct. well, the well, that will be the big oeorsroh— well, that will be the big decision for— well, that will be the big decision for starmer decision for keir starmer heose— decision for keir starmer because suspended decision for keir starmer because-suspended so she because he suspended her, so she swshehoeo— because he suspended her, so she suspended-rhe— because he suspended her, so she suspended the parliamentary suspended from the parliamentary hehowr— suspended from the parliamentary hehowr-she-s— suspended from the parliamentary labour-she's still- labour party, but she's still a rherhehr— labour party, but she's still a rherhehr or— labour party, but she's still a member of labour party, so member of the labour party, so wowe— member of the labour party, so wowrolhoh— member of the labour party, so would-kick-out- would he kick her out altogether?- would he kick her out altogether? should would he kick her out altogether?.should us altogether? he should let us know— altogether? he should let us know -thoughts. - altogether? he should let us know thoughts. cit . altogether? he should let us- know -thoughts. gb views at know your thoughts. gb views at gbnews.uk. to we're gbnews.uk. still to come, we're going discussing the going to be discussing the latest challenge to the latest legal challenge to the rwanda ruling. this rwanda migrant ruling. this is to point on news to the point on gb news britain's news

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there's a whole range of things he .— there's a whole range of things he . very— there's a whole range of things he . very good— there's a whole range of things that . very good morning . that. very good morning. waco...— that. very good morning. waco... ro— that. very good morning. welcome to the- that. very good morning. welcome to the point- that. very good morning. welcome to the point with andrew pierce and bev turner you've been getting in touch about these warning alerts that went off yesterday. chris said, yeah, poor andrew. he's feeling very neglected, very neglected. nobody about me. that's nobody cares about me. that's wher—serol nobody cares about me. that's wher—sero. | nobody cares about me. that's wher—sero. 1| what i conclude, chris said. i wre— what i conclude, chris said. i owe-phone— what i conclude, chris said. i turn-phone and- what i conclude, chris said. i turn phone and broadband off. turn my phone and broadband off. i all alerts switched off i have all alerts switched off anyway, to anyway, but i didn't want to take good for you, take any chances. good for you, chris rebellion. brian says our entire not switched entire family not only switched off alerts on all our off emergency alerts on all our phones, we removed the sim cards, them completely. cards, turn them off completely. we have our privacy we refuse to have our privacy invaded by the government in this way, no intrusion whatsoever. what whatsoever. you know what worries this? and worries me a bit about this? and we going talking about we are going to be talking about it with our panel as it probably with our panel as well. media are well. the way the media are reporting this morning on all reporting it this morning on all the kind establishment the other kind of establishment channels it awful that channels is isn't it awful that some didn't their some people didn't get their messages? feel a bit messages? i mean, you feel a bit like that, don't we? well, i just i mean, like that, don't we? well, i resr r r— like that, don't we? well, i just i mean, i think- t r:rt:r“ . , well, i just i mean, i think the whole rhhe— just i mean, i think the whole rhhe rs— just i mean, i think the whole rhhe is e— just i mean, i think the whole thing is a waste— just i mean, i think the whole thing is a waste of time in the hrsr— thing is a waste of time in the he ereoe. — thing is a waste of time in the first place. but— thing is a waste of time in the first place. but i— thing is a waste of time in the first place. but i just bemused all first place. but i just bemused eh rhrs— first place. but i just bemused all this fuss— first place. but i just bemused all this fuss and— first place. but i just bemused all this fuss and didn't get all this fuss and i didn't get eoe— all this fuss and i didn't get £120-of_ all this fuss and i didn't get tho-or your- all this fuss and i didn't get £120 of your money. £120 million of your money. i rhy— £120 million of your money. i mean, my newspaper attacked the whore—

mean, my newspaper attacked the whore-rr— mean, my newspaper attacked the whore-hr oh— mean, my newspaper attacked the whole _it on its— mean, my newspaper attacked the whole-it on its front- whole idea of it on its front page— whole idea of it on its front heoe ehe— whole idea of it on its front heoe ehe r— whole idea of it on its front page and i love— whole idea of it on its front page and i love the daily mail for- — page and i love the daily mail for- wher— page and i love the daily mail for- what-the- page and i love the daily mail for- what-the point. page and i love the daily mail| for- what-the point of for that. what is the point of it? you were the only newspaper who position, and i think who took a position, and i think the headline idiot the headline was, which idiot thought this yeah, bring it. thought this up? yeah, bring it. keep messages won't keep your messages coming, won't you? this iwas keep your messages coming, won't you? this i was punished you? this morning i was punished for-gerrhe. — you? this morning i was punished ror-gerrhe. rhey— rt:r.7 this morning i was punished for getting. they worked ra.7 this morning i was punished for getting. they worked it for not getting. they worked it our.— for not getting. they worked it our-worked.— for not getting. they worked it out.-worked. i— for not getting. they worked it out. worked. i worked for out. they worked. i worked for he— out. they worked. i worked for rhe-werh — out. they worked. i worked for the-mail. .doesn't. out. they worked. i worked for the mail. doesn't want the daily mail. she doesn't want one-r— the daily mail. she doesn't want one-r orer-o.- the daily mail. she doesn't want one-i didn't. and- one anyway. i didn't. and you know my just messaged know what my mom just messaged as and she said there are as well and she said there are lots of messages as well. lots of other messages as well. but made really good but she made a really good point. their across point. their neighbours across the road, of them got the the road, one of them got the message, one of didn't, she message, one of them didn't, she said. lots of elderly said. so now lots of elderly people terrified because people are terrified because they trust system. they now can't trust the system. you've is going you've been told this is going to save your life and now they're frightened again. we just be perpetually just seems to be perpetually terrified, right. terrified, don't we? right. extinction terrified, don't we? right. eifourtion terrified, don't we? right. eifour day program of action in a four day program of action in central today with the central london today with the group demand to group set to deliver a demand to parliament mps with a 5:00 parliament and mps with a 5:00 deadline. we're going to speak how-teeter— deadline. we're going to speak now-leader of- deadline. we're going to speak now-leader of the- 3: we're going to speak now leader of the climate now to the leader of the climate party, — now to the leader of the climate perry. re — now to the leader of the climate party, ed gemmell._ now to the leader of the climate party, ed gemmell. ed, hello. oooo— party, ed gemmell. ed, hello. good-how- party, ed gemmell. ed, hello. good how friendly are good morning. how friendly are you good morning. how friendly are yowlrhese— good morning. how friendly are you these extinction you to these extinction rebellion _ you to these extinction. rebellion—oil rebellion climate stop oil protesters?— rebellion climate stop oil protesters? a protesters? oh gosh, that's a loaded— protesters.7 oh gosh, that's a loaded—ml loaded question to start off with,— loaded question to start off with-do— loaded question to start off with-do you- loaded question to start off with, do you embrace with, andrew, do you embrace them — with, andrew, do you embrace them - because -

with, andrew, do you embrace them because don't them warmly? because i don't wen,— them warmly? because i don't wen, |— them warmly? because i don't wen, i think— them warmly? because i don't well, i think where we are today and— well, i think where we are today and-ters— well, i think where we are today and-[em get— well, i think where we are today and-let's get back- well, i think where we are today and let's get back to where and then let's get back to where we—i— and then let's get back to where we—u think- and then let's get back to where we_| think now. we were before. i think now they're trying to a lot more they're trying to be a lot more cooperative. they've actually just— cooperative. they've actually just said— cooperative. they've actually just said they're— cooperative. they've actually just said they're not- f they've actually just said they're not going to be—haven-t| be disruptive. they haven't disrupted marathon. disrupted the london marathon. there's a lot in the there's been a lot of in the press about it. they tried to disrupt— press about it. they tried to disrupt-grand— . they tried to disrupt grand national. disrupt the grand national. come on-second. actually- on to that a second. actually very—vou- on to that a second. actually. very—you know. very slightly thing. you know, as mrs.— very slightly thing. you know, as mrs. thatcher said, let's start with facts we start with the facts before we get debate. okay. so, get on to the debate. okay. so, yeah, who you yeah, i mean, who told you climate? she was a great she was on climate— climate? she was a great she was on climate change. _ climate? she was a great she was on climate change. she- cc , she was a great she was on climate change. she was first chair— on climate change. she was first chair and— on climate change. she was first chair andlscientist_ on climate change. she was first chair and scientist and the chair and a scientist and the first— chair and a scientist and the first-to— chair and a scientist and the first-to-a- chair and a scientist and the first-to-a big- chair and a scientist and the. first-to-a big speech first one to make a big speech to—cumate- first one to make a big speech to_climate. so. to the un about climate. so absolutely. — to the un about climate. so absolutely. right's been to the un about climate. so abrthis ely. right's been to the un about climate. so abrthis for right's been to the un about climate. so abrthis for a right's been to the un about climate. so abrthis for a long right's been to the un about climate. so abrthis for a long time.'s been to the un about climate. so abrthis for a long time. been to the un about climate. so abrthis for a long time. . sen on this for a long time. it's not— on this for a long time. it's not-not— on this for a long time. it's not-not just— on this for a long time. it's not. not just on- on this for a long time. it's not. not just on the- on this for a long time. it's not not just on the left. not it's not just on the left. it's of xr it's everywhere in terms of xr at and we're at the moment. and we're supporting them on this event specifically they're specifically because they're not going to be disruptive if they start won't going to be disruptive if they stathere. won't going to be disruptive if they stathere. okay. won't going to be disruptive if they stathere. okay. okay. won't going to be disruptive if they stathere. okay. okay. and won't going to be disruptive if they stathere. okay. okay. and there: be there. okay. okay. and there are-there— be there. okay. okay. and there are-there as— be there. okay. okay. and there are-there as well. - be there. okay. okay. and there are there as well. are others there as well. i took.— are others there as well. i mean, look,-britainl are others there as well. i mean, look, britain tidy's mean, look, keep britain tidy's there aren't there as well. now, they aren't exactly aggressive, exactly the most aggressive, disruptive organisation themselves. so if keep britain tidy say tidy there, i think we can say that fairly that it's become fairly mainstream the moment. there mainstream at the moment. there are clearly other organisations that want to continue the disruption and from my perspective to perspective we all have to come to action, let's it in to action, but let's do it in the right way. that's why we

formed a political this the right way. that's why we forthat a political this the right way. that's why we forthat a politi�*have this the right way. that's why we forthat a politi�*have the this the right way. that's why we forthat a politi�*have the rightis so that we can have the right form and people can form of action and people can get the way. get involved in the right way. and formed and when you've formed a political— and when you've formed a political-do- and when you've formed a- political-do-propose political party, do you propose standing—oh.- standing in elections? oh, absolutely.— standing in elections? oh,l absolutely, _we absolutely, yeah. i mean, we formed live on the formed and we went live on the 5th of september last year. so the truss took the same day as liz truss took office. already office. so we've already outlined who exactly we've already had already. absolutely. came out absolutely. so and we came out with intention to with a specific intention to take main two parties in take on the main two parties in their marginal seats. their 100 most marginal seats. so it's all about going for them , 100 so it's all about going for them , ioo marginal seats to , the 100 most marginal seats to press to bring the right press them to bring on the right level action. we will level of climate action. we will also the climate deniers also take on the climate deniers in parliament. right? so the announced scrutiny announced net zero scrutiny group, section of group, which is a section of conservative mps who've taken them the mainstream and them out of the mainstream and have more the have gone into some more the climate sceptic climate denial area. did your money area. did you get your money from— area. did you get your money from-ifs— area. did you get your money from-ifs au- from currently it's all volunteers, - from currently it's all- volunteers, - expect from currently it's all- volunteers, _expect with volunteers, as you'd expect with wttt — volunteers, as you'd expect with wttt-stttttng.— volunteers, as you'd expect with wttt-stttttng. - volunteers, as you'd expect with with - starting. we- volunteers, as you'd expect with with starting. �*ft�*tz; with a party starting. we have a lot with a party starting. we have a tot ot— with a party starting. we have a lot of conversations going on at the major, very the moment with major, very wealthy philanthro artists, some of fund other parties and of whom fund other parties and some of whom will never fund certain after some some of whom will never fund ce the| after some some of whom will never fund ce the| that after some some of whom will never fund ce the| that have ter some of the things that have happened, climate as a happened, but see climate as a very issue and want to get very big issue and want to get involved may involved in it. some may continue to other parties

continue to fund other parties as single as well because we're single issue at at right. we are at issue at at at right. we are at the mmm— issue at at at right. we are at the moment struggling- ” q we are at the moment struggling to pay our mus.— the moment struggling to pay our tttts. tow,— the moment struggling to pay our bills. now, luckily,— the moment struggling to pay our bills. now, luckily, the weather's— bills. now, luckily, the weather's getting little weather's getting a little warmer, so we- weather's getting a little warmer, so we can probably stop stressing— warmer, so we can probably stop stressmg quite— warmer, so we can probably stop stressing quite so— warmer, so we can probably stop stressing quite so much about our stressing quite so much about .— stressing quite so much about . water— stressing quite so much about our i water and— stressing quite so much about our i water and gas and electricity— our i water and gas and electricity bills. but lots of people— electricity bills. but lots of people watching this will feel that— people watching this will feel that-mamm— people watching this will feel that march towards this eco that this march towards this eco zettotm— that this march towards this eco zettttm tms— that this march towards this eco zealotry, this net— that this march towards this eco zealotry, this net zero target mat— zealotry, this net zero target that we — zealotry, this net zero target that we are obsessed with here must— that we are obsessed with here wmtst cmmt— that we are obsessed with here whilst china are— that we are obsessed with here whilst china are building what is whilst china are building what m m— whilst china are building what m t, two— whilst china are building what is it, two coal— whilst china are building what is it, two coal fired power statem— is it, two coal fired power stttttm t— is it, two coal fired power stations a week- is it, two coal fired power stations a week and going from strength— stations a week and going from strength te— stations a week and going from strength to strength to strength to strength. — strength to strength to strength to strength. it's— strength to strength to strength to strength. it's not worth it. ed,— to strength. it's not worth it. he, het— to strength. it's not worth it. he, hev, het— to strength. it's not worth it. ed, bev, bev, come on. �*ft�*tz; git ed, bev, bev, come on. we've got to get— ed, bev, bev, come on. we've got to get you— ed, bev, bev, come on. we've got to get you off this one. look the whole world's going there already, so it doesn't matter if you're a climate denier, climate sceptic in the middle, it doesn't matter. no, doesn't really matter. no, they're because doesn't really matter. no,j they're-because china doesn't really matter. no,- they're-because china isn't they're not, because china isn't 90i"9-_ going. oh, but hang on. it's a huge— going. oh, but hang on. it's a huge emehh— going. oh, but hang on. it's a huge carbon gas. �*ft�*na .htvt: huge carbon gas. what mrs. thatcher said before start thatcher said before we start debating, we're debating, you know, where we're actually moment, we actually going at the moment, we got with net zero got 150 countries with net zero targets. whether targets. doesn't matter whether it's 2060 2070. targets. doesn't matter whether it's world 2060 2070. targets. doesn't matter whether it's world is 2060 2070. targets. doesn't matter whether it's world is actually) 2070. targets. doesn't matter whether it's world is actually goingi70. the world is actually going there and all of us can see that happening at the moment. so we've got two choices. we can either the front, lead

either get at the front, lead it, drive in direction we it, drive it in the direction we want see the city want it to be, see the city financing making money want it to be, see the city fingitcing making money want it to be, see the city fingit , ng making money want it to be, see the city fingit , and making money want it to be, see the city fingit , and us making money want it to be, see the city fingit , and us seeing ng money want it to be, see the city fingit , and us seeing prosperity for it, and us seeing prosperity in the 30. or we can the in the 30. or we can get the back , i guess get that there and back, i guess get that there and the do the the others do it. i do a&e the chhese— the others do it. i do a&e the chhese tet— the others do it. i do a&e the chinese for solar— the others do it. i do a&e the chinese for solar-i. chinese for solar panels. i do understand— chinese for solar panels. i do understand-need- chinese for solar panels. i do understand need to use to understand the need to use to work hard to use means of generating fuel which are renewable. we don't want to use emythhg— renewable. we don't want to use mythmg thet— renewable. we don't want to use mythmg thet ts— renewable. we don't want to use anything that is finite— ”ti; we don't want to use anything that is finite in life hght— anything that is finite in life hght e— anything that is finite in life hght e tt-s— anything that is finite in life right ? it's-not- anything that is finite in life right ? it's not sensible. right? it's just not sensible. if right? it's just not sensible. h—thetl right? it's just not sensible. tt—thet he if there's something that can be emeet —he - renewed, that's going to be geet. — renewed, that's going to be good. _momenti renewed, that's going to be good. _moment ,i renewed, that's going to be. good. _moment , the good. but at the moment, the sme— good. but at the moment, the ghee—gemg- good. but at the moment, the ghee—gemg te- good. but at the moment, the price going to pay good. but at the moment, the. price-going to pay in price that we're going to pay in the—se— price that we're going to pay in the—st huge- price that we're going to pay in the—so huge thati the short term is so huge that mayhe— the short term is so huge that meghe thts— the short term is so huge that maybe this just— the short term is so huge that maybe this just needs to have a tehget— maybe this just needs to have a tehget ttme— maybe this just needs to have a longer time towards working towards— longer time towards working towards these— longer time towards working towards these goals that they're just met— towards these goals that they're just not realistic— towards these goals that they're just not realistic the way it's httthg— just not realistic the way it's hitting individual homes and hushesses— hitting individual homes and businesses and— hitting individual homes and businesses and industries in mm— businesses and industries in thts eeuhtm. — businesses and industries in this country. yeah, i mean, very gutet— this country. yeah, i mean, very gutet commem— this country. yeah, i mean, very quick comment right at the hegtmmg— quick comment right at the hegtmmtmg ts— quick comment right at the beginning is if— quick comment right at the beginning is if we actually gutted— beginning is if we actually puttet ghett— beginning is if we actually pulled apart the gas price and the ghee— pulled apart the gas price and the ghee et— pulled apart the gas price and the price of renewables , there the price of renewables, there ueutt— the price of renewables, there ueuttle— the price of renewables, there ueuttlu tet— the price of renewables, there would-a lot of— the price of renewables, there would a lot of cheaper energy would be a lot of cheaper energy going— would be a lot of cheaper energy gemg-the— would be a lot of cheaper energy going-the system. - would be a lot of cheaper energy going the system. going into the system. that's i agree— going into the system. that's i agree utth— going into the system. that's i agree with, which is one thing that's right? agree with, which is one thing that's think right? agree with, which is one thing that's think on right? agree with, which is one thing that's think on a right? agree with, which is one thing that's think on a secondary? yeah. i think on a secondary point, were taking point, if we were taking 2030, let's carbon let's say as our carbon zero target, or seven target, that's 7 or 8, seven years ago, two sets of

years ago, that's two sets of reorganisation , the same as we reorganisation, the same as we did for our during world did for our economy during world war ii. we reorganise it and war ii. we can reorganise it and get in that time get it working in that time penod get it working in that time period but don't focus on period. but if we don't focus on the issue don't get the issue, we don't ever get there reorganise it and start there to reorganise it and start everybody. but don't you take meeeu—y tu- everybody. but don't you take. meeeu—y tulyeu more people with you, ed, if you say uetuuttu— more people with you, ed, if you say actually,-going. more people with you, ed, if you say actually, going to say actually, we're not going to mate— say actually, we're not going to mete-hose,— say actually, we're not going to make-2030, it's- say actually, we're not going to make 2030, it's going to make it by 2030, it's going to test— make it by 2030, it's going to test a— make it by 2030, it's going to cost a fortune. _ make it by 2030, it's going to cost a fortune. yeah, let's perhaps— cost a fortune. yeah, let's perhaps-2055,- cost a fortune. yeah, let's perhaps 2055, 2040, cost a fortune. yeah, let's- perhaps-2055, 2040, okay. perhaps go to 2055, 2040, okay. ttght. — perhaps go to 2055, 2040, okay. ttght. meth— perhaps go to 2055, 2040, okay. ttght. mett. .— perhaps go to 2055, 2040, okay. right. well, i mean,— perhaps go to 2055, 2040, okay. right. well, i mean, pulling first thing is let's pull forward the target from 2050. let's ourselves ahead of the let's get ourselves ahead of the game. are game. i mean, the germans are already 2045. there's three other european with other european countries with 20, and 2040. 20, 30, 20, 35 and 2040. the european is talking about european union is talking about 2040. and antonio gutierrez has gone up and said all developed nafions gone up and said all developed nations should get there in 2040, means they'll start 2040, which means they'll start looking be looking at it. we need to be ahead pack. so the first ahead of the pack. so the first thing get do the thing is get why do we why the city is crying out for certainty so get financing it. if so it can get financing it. if you imagine we got that target in tomorrow, all our eco tech in tomorrow, all of our eco tech businesses, agro eco businesses, all of our agro eco tech businesses, all the tech businesses, all of the innovative renewables businesses will 100 times in will be worth 100 times in britain. do will be worth 100 times in britain . do they employ many britain. do they employ many geome— britain. do they employ many people—employ- britain. do they employ many heehte—emhtey ul britain. do they employ manyi people—employ a lot people or do they employ a lot of people or do they employ a lot et—t—

people or do they employ a lot et—t meth- people or do they employ a lot et—t u- people or do they employ a lot of_l mean, a lot. people or do they employ a loti of_l mean, a lot of of robots? acas i mean, a lot of geome— of robots? acas i mean, a lot of heepte hemg— of robots? acas i mean, a lot of people being employed at the mem — people being employed at the moment. gosh,— people being employed at the moment. gosh, i— people being employed at the moment. g : moment. gosh, i have no idea how many robots they employ, but do you know i mean? with this you know what i mean? with this march you know what i mean? with this mush-these— march towards these new technologies,— march towards these new- technologies,_these march towards these new- tech inventions _these march towards these new tech inventions and these march towards these new tech inventions and all these march towards these new tech inventions and all the ese march towards these new tech inventions and all the ai, march towards these new tec i inventions and all the ai, march towards these new tec i inve see 1s and all the ai, march towards these new tec i inve see is and all the ai, march towards these new tec i inve see is and all beingi, all i can see is people being teshg— all i can see is people being teshg-tehs— all i can see is people being losing -jobs left,- all i can see is people being losing jobs left, right losing their jobs left, right mt— losing their jobs left, right amt-tet— losing their jobs left, right and _for this- losing their jobs left, right and for this march and centre for this march to the— and centre for this march to save the planet.— and centre for this march to save the planet. gosh , save the planet. well, gosh, hhmgmg— save the planet. well, gosh, hhmgmg ht— save the planet. well, gosh, bringing ai there too. bringing ai in there too. mesme— bringing ai in there too. people—jobsl bringing ai in there too. i people—jobs on bringing ai in there too. - people—jobs on the people losing their jobs on the march the planet. i've march to save the planet. i've got over got a lot of issues over overlaid i think there. overlaid in one. i think there. i mean, i think i'm totally worried ai an worried about al as an individual. i have to say. i mean, suspect inevitable mean, i suspect it's inevitable , as we move forward , isn't it, as we move forward in areas and in all in all areas of life and let's hope it's being used correctly and we don't end up with one of these disaster scenarios, it? are scenarios, are we from it? are we going to be scenarios, are we from it? are we.going to be doomed. scenarios, are we from it? are. we.going to be doomed-ai? scenarios, are we from it? are- we.going to be doomed-ai? we all going to be doomed by ai? but we all going to be doomed by ai? hut-cementu— we all going to be doomed by ai? but-certainly out— we all going to be doomed by ai? but-certainly out my- we all going to be doomed by ai? but-certainly out my field- but it's certainly out my field on one. but what you've on that one. but what you've just— on that one. but what you've gust-them— on that one. but what you've just-then,-sums- on that one. but what you've just-then,-sums up. on that one. but what you'vei just-then,-sums up so just said then, ed, sums up so mush— just said then, ed, sums up so mush-whet— just said then, ed, sums up so muehluhut .— just said then, ed, sums up so much what i worry about, much of what i worry about, uhteh— much of what i worry about, uhteh ts— much of what i worry about, which is this— much of what i worry about, which is this that, well, which is this idea that, well, tt-s—emtl which is this idea that, well,- tt-s—uht tet-s it's happening anyway, and let's just it's happening anyway, and let's gust-ht— it's happening anyway, and let's tust-tt teesh-t— just hope it doesn't ruin- evememe-s—peepte just hope it doesn't ruin- every been _people just hope it doesn't ruin- every been _to-people just hope it doesn't ruin- every been _to anyjpeople have been going to any supermarket you've got supermarket now, and you've got nobody working the tills. nobody working on the tills. you've to deal you've got nobody able to deal with. when you go to get a train, it's always machine. train, it's always a machine. where jobs ? no, no, no. where are the jobs? no, no, no. well, look, we actually get well, look, if we actually get wetthg—

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on gb news. the people's channel britain . it's 1039. on gb news. the people's channel britain . it's1039. this is to britain. it's1039. this is to the point on gb news with me, andrew pierce and bev turner. well it's a big story, isn't it? in in sudan, british diplomats and their families have been rescued. sas involved, the rescued. the sas involved, the prime minister has confirmed violence broke out across the nonh violence broke out across the north african country last week when a breakaway military unit began a coup attempt against government forces . france and government forces. france and the united states have also evacuated their diplomatic corps, thousands of their corps, but thousands of their citizens, along quite a lot citizens, along with quite a lot of , remain stranded . well, of brits, remain stranded. well, joining us all now is the conservative mp for gravesham, adam holloway , no stranger this

adam holloway, no stranger this morning, adam it's always morning, adam. adam it's always good to talk to because you good to talk to you because you are a former serving army officer here. seems like the officer here. it seems like the sas pulled off quite a coup in getting those diplomats out so quickly . well indeed. but, quickly. well indeed. but, i mean, this is a : tit/{cg tutti“ :: but, i mean, this is a relatively straightforward thing to do. cm— straightforward thing to do. the t— straightforward thing to do. the t just— straightforward thing to do. can i just stress,— straightforward thing to do. can i just stress, i'm- straightforward thing to do. can i just stress, i'm no expert on sudan. i've never been there. i don't know the ground reality right now. i'm not an expert on evacuee issues and i don't know what the military , his future what the military, his future plans are. but i have to say that last night when i was reading this, this triumphal stuff about getting our diplomat out, i kind of thought, well, hang on, what are diplomats for? what is the government for? it's not there to sort of look after itself . if it's there to look itself. if it's there to look after the our citizens. and so i kind of found it, you know, pretty surprising , actually, pretty surprising, actually, that the evacuation of diplomats have been prioritised , albeit

have been prioritised, albeit that apparently there's some information that diplomatic missions were going to be targeted. but overnight , targeted. but overnight, thinking about it actually , thinking about it actually, actually, let's consider the ground reality. so you've got an uncontrolled civil war taking place. you've got many hundreds , i think 400 british citizens in different houses around the city. so i'd invite your viewers to consider that. i mean, imagine imagine the town of crawley . with two warring crawley. with two warring parties . and 400 odd people in parties. and 400 odd people in perhaps 200 different locations , runs across the town . , runs across the town. realistically are you going to suggest that those people go outside and into the street? draghi kyiv through unknown checkpoints , uncontrolled checkpoints, uncontrolled artillery , depher potentially to artillery, depher potentially to make their way to gatwick airport, south terminal. i would think that would probably be nonviable and the wiser thing to

do given that those houses were not being directly targeted by either side, might be to stay inside . and very interesting inside. and very interesting tethe— inside. and very interesting advice. adam _ inside. and very interesting advice. adam on— t:t::; and very interesting advice. adam on the t:ti; and very interesting advice. adam on the some suggestteh— advice. adam on the some suggestion that- advice. adam on the some suggestion that should the government— suggestion that should the government have told people to get eut— government have told people to get eut eee— government have told people to get out sooner, but at the end of get out sooner, but at the end et the— get out sooner, but at the end et the tug.— get out sooner, but at the end of the day, people have to take some decisions— of the day, people have to take some decisions for— of the day, people have to take some decisions for themselves, eem-t— some decisions for themselves, teh-tthey— some decisions for themselves, teh-t they e— some decisions for themselves, don't they ? sudan has been don't they? sudan has been uhstehte— don't they? sudan has been uhstehte .— don't they? sudan has been unstable , not— don't they? sudan has been unstable , not for the last unstable, not for the last eeuhte— unstable, not for the last eeuete et— unstable, not for the last couple of days- unstable, not for the last couple of days weeks , but for couple of days or weeks, but for mehths— couple of days or weeks, but for mehths . — couple of days or weeks, but for mehths . ves.— couple of days or weeks, but for months . yes, but— couple of days or weeks, but for months . yes, but but,- couple of days or weeks, but for months . “tit; couple of days or weeks, but for months . 415i? months. yes, but but, you know, we know from from interviews on your channel and others that british citizens in sudan have been pretty disappointed over the last few days , that the lack the last few days, that the lack of grip, if you like, from from our embassy there. um so we know those people are already disappointed. as i say i don't know the ground reality but you know the ground reality but you know if there is a working airport that multiple countries have used to take their diplomats and indeed in some cases their citizens out . but, cases their citizens out. but, you know, i think perhaps one

might consider, you know, creating an international safe harbour area or something at that airport that that could be controlled by international forces , which people could could forces, which people could could make their way to as opposed marriott and potentially people be ferried to. but as i say, i don't know what the future plans are , but that wouldn't strike me are, but that wouldn't strike me as a as as completely impossible by any means. adam, have you heme— by any means. adam, have you heett mush— by any means. adam, have you heard much about— adam, have you heard much about russia's role in heard much about russia's role th thts— heard much about russia's role in this particular— heard much about russia's role in this particular conflict? heeeuse— in this particular conflict? because they've been wanting to set up— because they've been wanting to set up mmet— because they've been wanting to set up naval bases— because they've been wanting to set up naval bases in various putts— set up naval bases in various huts et— set up naval bases in various putts et the— set up naval bases in various parts of the globe. they've been eettehemtthg— parts of the globe. they've been collaborating and _ parts of the globe. they've been collaborating and in conversation with the sudanese gevemmeht— conversation with the sudanese gevemmeht te— conversation with the sudanese government to establish one in in government to establish one in th sutum— government to establish one in th sutuh .— government to establish one in th sutuh . hut— government to establish one in in sudan . but what they needed in sudan. but what they needed for in sudan. but what they needed tet thts— in sudan. but what they needed tet thts te— in sudan. but what they needed for this to happen— in sudan. but what they needed for this to happen was a formal the formation— for this to happen was a formal the formation of— for this to happen was a formal the formation of a— for this to happen was a formal the formation of a relatively stutte— the formation of a relatively stable government , if the formation of a relatively stable government, if you like. now:— stable government, if you like. new. thts— stable government, if you like. new. thts ws— stable government, if you like. now, this was only being talked uheut— now, this was only being talked uheut tet— now, this was only being talked about for about— now, this was only being talked about for about eight weeks ago hees ht— about for about eight weeks ago now. does it seem— about for about eight weeks ago now. does it seem completely coincidental—

now. does it seem completely coincidental that— now. does it seem completely coincidental that it's now eseetete— coincidental that it's now eseutute e— coincidental that it's now escalate ? covid as i say , i'm no escalate? covid as i say, i'm no expert— escalate? covid as i say, i'm no expert eh— escalate? covid as i say, i'm no expert on sudan,— escalate? covid as i say, i'm no expert on sudan, but but both teth— expert on sudan, but but both heth these— expert on sudan, but but both both these characters is um , both these characters is um, thew-te— both these characters is um, they're heth.— both these characters is um, they're both, if— both these characters is um, they're both, if you like , they're both, if you like, teeetwhg— they're both, if you like, receiving benefit from from russian— receiving benefit from from russian money— receiving benefit from from russian money and indeed the, i...— russian money and indeed the, the. the— russian money and indeed the, the, the wagner— russian money and indeed the, the, the wagner mercenary group whe— the, the wagner mercenary group whe eeehews— the, the wagner mercenary group who everyone's talking about at the memem— who everyone's talking about at the moment are— who everyone's talking about at the moment are indeed in, in the eeuhtw. — the moment are indeed in, in the eeuhtw. se— the moment are indeed in, in the eeuhtw. se t— the moment are indeed in, in the country. so i suspect- the moment are indeed in, in the country. i g country. so i suspect this thing basically is about two very rich guys each wanting to have have the whole pie. um it's again i'm no expert on sudan but it strikes me this is really a war of self interest in which the sudanese people, the fighters themselves and indeed our citizens are caught up. so, you know , go back to what i said know, go back to what i said earlier, not knowing the reality on the ground, but i can't understand why the international community has had these largely separate efforts to take their citizens and diplomats out and

why we can't produce some sort of safe haven, you know , perhaps of safe haven, you know, perhaps that airport to the north—west of the city from which we've been flying, people out and have some sort of air bridge there. but again, you know , i mean, it but again, you know, i mean, it would be very, very difficult to run a sort of taxi service to go and collect thousands , thousands and collect thousands, thousands of foreign citizens from within a city that's that's under fire when probably the safest thing to do. and i know we heard this on 911, but probably the safest thing to do at the moment is to is to take shelter in place for the time being. but as i say, i don't know what the government's future you know, future plans are. you know, we've got raf akrotiri, you know, just a relatively short flight away and we've got the resources . so i'd go for an resources. so i'd go for an international safe haven right now. all right, adam, if i could ask you just very briefly, what's your view diane what's your view on diane abbott? she's been suspended hem—ever- from the labour party over pretty— from the labour party over pretty offensive _ from the labour party over pretty offensive remarks she mete— pretty offensive remarks she metele— pretty offensive remarks she madela letter— pretty offensive remarks she made i a letter to - pretty offensive remarks she made a letter to the made in a letter to the

observer.— made in a letter to the observer..keir- made in a letter to the observer. keir starmer is observer. if keir starmer is serious about— observer. if keir starmer is serious about ridding the party of anti—semitism, shouldn't he teet— of anti—semitism, shouldn't he boot-completely- of anti—semitism, shouldn't he boot-completely ?- of anti—semitism, shouldn't he boot completely ? she i. boot her out completely? she i. twe— boot her out completely? she i. the meet — boot her out completely? she i. i've mixed feelings— boot her out completely? she i. i've mixed feelings on- boot her out completely? she i. i've mixed feelings on this. - boot her out completely? she i. i've mixed feelings on this. i mean, i'm on the home affairs select committee with diane abbott and i always had a very sort opinion of her from sort of low opinion of her from what i've seen and read of her on . but actually, now on the tv. but actually, now that her, a little bit that i know her, a little bit personally, i've, i've kind of slightly reviewed that actually. but in terms of her comments, i mean, you know, absolutely if what the did in world war ii wasn't racism , then i don't know wasn't racism, then i don't know what it is. but you know, i just i'm just very worried about the way that we no longer seem to have freedom of speech in this country. i mean , i thought we country. i mean, i thought we were supposed to sort of, you know, totally disagree with people, but want to die for their right to say things. so you know, obviously, i think it's a it is definitely a racist comment to say that. i imagine it's deeply offensive to many

jewish people . but, you know, jewish people. but, you know, where's freedom of speech gone in this country where people can't say what they think or can't say what they think or can't even make a mistake saying what they think , very worrying what they think, very worrying all right, adam, that's adam holloway. thanks forjoining us. hes— holloway. thanks forjoining us. he-s e— holloway. thanks forjoining us. he's a conservative— thanks forjoining us. he's a conservative mp for steweshum. — he's a conservative mp for gravesham. and- he's a conservative mp for gravesham. and of course, he is a gravesham. and of course, he is utetmet— gravesham. and of course, he is e t sewtmg— gravesham. and of course, he is a former serving army officer. gravesham. and of course, he is a 1the er serving army officer. gravesham. and of course, he is a 1the studio ing army officer. gravesham. and of course, he is a 1the studio withirmy officer. gravesham. and of course, he is a 1the studio withirmy offito r. gravesham. and of course, he is a 1the studio withirmy offito go in the studio with us now to go thteugh— in the studio with us now to go thteugh-huhets— in the studio with us now to go through-papers is- in the studio with us now to go through papers is the through the papers is the tehuteus— through the papers is thel fabulous—is fabulous sarah vine. he is teeth— fabulous sarah vine. he is teuttw—teettwi fabulous sarah vine. he is. really—really he really fantastic. he really he be really fantastic. he really hei he—he-s be prime minister. well, he's geet.— be prime minister. well, he's geeh-sew— be prime minister. well, he's good.-say.served. good. and i say he served in atghuhtsteh— good. and i say he served in. afghanistan—knows afghanistan and iraq. he knows his afghanistan and iraq. he knows hts-teettw— afghanistan and iraq. he knows his really morning. his stuff. he really morning. heth.— his stuff. he really morning. heth-ts- his stuff. he really morning. heth-ts wew- yeah, he is. he is very semsthte— yeah, he is. he is very sensible, very- yeah, he is. he is very sensible, very good . we just sensible, very good. we just estee— sensible, very good. we just asked weu— sensible, very good. we just asked you about— sensible, very good. we just asked you about diana before we get me— asked you about diana before we get thte the— asked you about diana before we get into the papers. well, i. i teet— get into the papers. well, i. i test t— get into the papers. well, i. i test t thmt— get into the papers. well, i. i feel i think what's— get into the papers. well, i. i feel i think what's interesting about the diana thing is i think it's a case of unconscious bias, which is what we're always being accused of. i just don't think she— accused of. i just don't think she realised— accused of. i just don't think she realised what— ii: i just don't think she realised what she said was ettehstwe— she realised what she said was offensive and— she realised what she said was offensive and i— she realised what she said was offensive and i think that is thet— offensive and i think that is that ts— offensive and i think that is that ts gutte— offensive and i think that is that is quite problematic. staggehmg.— that is quite problematic. staggering-|- that is quite problematic. staggering, i don't staggering, isn't it? i don't ththt— staggering, isn't it? i don't ththt she— staggering, isn't it? i don't think she just— staggering, isn't it? i don't think she just genuinely think she just she genuinely i eem-t.— think she just she genuinely i teh-t. t— think she just she genuinely i teh-t. t eem-t— think she just she genuinely i don't. i don't i— think she just she genuinely i don't. i don't i think she gehumetw— don't. i don't i think she genuinely doesn't see me or tight— genuinely doesn't see me or tight see— genuinely doesn't see me or didn't see that.— genuinely doesn't see me or didn't see that. what that what sheets—— didn't see that. what that what

she was was wrong she was saying was was wrong because— she was saying was was wrong heeeuse she-s— she was saying was was wrong because she's so— she was saying was was wrong because she's so blinded by her wetuttee— because she's so blinded by her own prejudice in— because she's so blinded by her own prejudice in a— because she's so blinded by her own prejudice in a funny kind of way— own prejudice in a funny kind of way thet— own prejudice in a funny kind of way that-sunt— own prejudice in a funny kind of way that-can't see- own prejudice in a funny kind of way that can't see it. way that she can't see it. i . whet— way that she can't see it. i mean , what she- way that she can't see it. i mean , what she said was mean, what she said was htteuteus— mean, what she said was ridiculous. i— mean, what she said was ridiculous. i mean, what the west— ridiculous. i mean, what the west hut— ridiculous. i mean, what the west putt ts.— ridiculous. i mean, what the worst part is, it— ridiculous. i mean, what the worst part is, it just betrays a generat— worst part is, it just betrays a general ignorance about history in general ignorance about history th the— general ignorance about history th the wett— general ignorance about history in the world because, of course, eeeme— in the world because, of course, heeete hete— in the world because, of course, people have been— in the world because, of course, people have been oppressed for mtttemtu— people have been oppressed for mtttemtu hw— people have been oppressed for millennia by any— people have been oppressed for millennia by any sort of any the— millennia by any sort of any the et— millennia by any sort of any kind of invading— millennia by any sort of any kind of invading army or the tgwttums— kind of invading army or the tgwttums. the— kind of invading army or the egyptians, the phoenicians , the, egyptians, the phoenicians, the, you egyptians, the phoenicians, the, weu thew. — egyptians, the phoenicians, the, you knew the— egyptians, the phoenicians, the, you know, the greeks, the romans . i you know, the greeks, the romans . t meem— you know, the greeks, the romans . t tt-s— you know, the greeks, the romans . i mean, it's the— you know, the greeks, the romans . i mean, it's the history of eewessteh— . i mean, it's the history of ehhtesstem ts— . i mean, it's the history of oppression is long and very umpteusumt— oppression is long and very unpleasant. and it's not eeustwet— unpleasant. and it's not exclusive to _ unpleasant. and it's not exclusive to people of colour. i ththt— exclusive to people of colour. i ththt that.— exclusive to people of colour. i think that, you— exclusive to people of colour. i think that, you know, we've etwuws— think that, you know, we've always known _ think that, you know, we've always known that there's a bit of always known that there's a bit et tuteht— always known that there's a bit of latent anti—semitism in the them— of latent anti—semitism in the tuheut putty.— of latent anti—semitism in the labour party. and— of latent anti—semitism in the labour party. and i think we hust— labour party. and i think we tust ew— labour party. and i think we tust hete— labour party. and i think we just now have it— labour party. and i think we just now have it in writing. heth. — just now have it in writing. yeah. the— just now have it in writing. yeah. and course keir starmer yeah. and of course keir starmer theught—utt- yeah. and of course keir starmer thought—all out. thought he'd booted it all out by thought he'd booted it all out bit-it— thought he'd booted it all out by it suspending. tutti... by kick it by suspending. well, hes— by kick it by suspending. well, he's-jeremy— by kick it by suspending. well, he's-jeremy corbyn- by kick it by suspending. well, he's jeremy corbyn out he's kicking jeremy corbyn out of the party altogether now, isn't he? i suspect it by the end of the day he'll have done the with, i suspect, the same with, i suspect, diane abbott, sheikh has joined abbott, bushra sheikh has joined us bushra. hi, us as well. hello, bushra. hi, guys-— us as well. hello, bushra. hi, guys-see— us as well. hello, bushra. hi, guys-see weu. - us as well. hello, bushra. hi,i guys-see weu. _te us as well. hello, bushra. hi,i guy:make.see you. _do hello, bushra. hi, guyzmake of see you. do hello, bushra. hi, guyzmake of this you. do hello, bushra. hi, guyzmake of this situation do hello, bushra. hi, guyzmake of this situation with you make of this situation with

time— you make of this situation with diane abbott?— you make of this situation with diane abbott? did she have a was there— diane abbott? did she have a was thetelhuuhee— diane abbott? did she have a was therelnuance that— diane abbott? did she have a was there nuance that was lost for there a nuance that was lost for you?— there a nuance that was lost for you? yeah.— there a nuance that was lost for you? yeah. t— there a nuance that was lost for you? yeah, i think— there a nuance that was lost for you? yeah, i think so. i kind of uhtetsteet— you? yeah, i think so. i kind of understood the— you? yeah, i think so. i kind of understood the undertones of whet— understood the undertones of whet she— understood the undertones of whet she wes— understood the undertones of what she was trying to say. i tetthttetw— what she was trying to say. i definitely do _ what she was trying to say. i definitely do not— what she was trying to say. i definitely do not defend the teeth — definitely do not defend the teeth the.— definitely do not defend the draft. like, you— definitely do not defend the draft. .. draft. like, you know, in all situations. do you believe it e wette— situations. do you believe it was a draft? i— situations. do you believe it was a draft? i think- do you believe it was a draft? i think that was a tettet— was a draft? i think that was a tettet she— was a draft? i think that was a letter she sent— was a draft? i think that was a letter she sent and she's tewhtthg— letter she sent and she's rewriting history. when she saw the tuss— rewriting history. when she saw the fuss.caused_ rewriting history. when she saw the fusslcaused . - rewriting history. when she saw the fuss caused . the fuss it caused. i believe thet— the fuss it caused. i believe that people have a thought process we always want to process and we always want to want the best point want to get the best point across. am going to across. and so i am going to give her the benefit of the doubt instance, because give her the benefit of the dd0)t instance, because give her the benefit of the ddo genuinelyistance, because give her the benefit of the ddo genuinely believe because give her the benefit of the ddo genuinely believe that use give her the benefit of the ddo genuinely believe that her i do genuinely believe that her intentions were not malicious . intentions were not malicious. yes, i believe she does have a position of a person of colour who understands what it's like to be a person of colour in this country and it's really difficult to express that without out sort offending without out sort of offending people . so i do believe on this people. so i do believe on this instance , because what's instance, because what's interesting for me is when that happened and we all started talking about anti semitism, we also didn't look at the fact that this was about the roma

community. it was about the thsh— community. it was about the irish community.— community. it was about the irish community. it- i .. .{t it was about the irish community. it wasn't just eeustwet— irish community. it wasn't just eeustwet te— irish community. it wasn't just exclusive to just— irish community. it wasn't just exclusive to just people that tewtsh. — exclusive to just people that were jewish. so _ exclusive to just people that were jewish. so it's important thet— were jewish. so it's important thet wheh— were jewish. so it's important thet when we— were jewish. so it's important that when we do— were jewish. so it's important that when we do branch this, we the — that when we do branch this, we te. hut— that when we do branch this, we the hut t— that when we do branch this, we do. but i think— that when we do branch this, we do. but i think that— that when we do branch this, we do. but i think that people focussed on the anti—semitism because it had been such a problem labour party. problem for the labour party. they'd and they'd been the equalities and human seminal human rights commission seminal report it led report pages and pages. it led to people like luciana berger leaving the labour party, john mann labour party mann leaving the labour party because anti—semitism. there because of anti—semitism. there was to an article was a response to an article whteh— was a response to an article whteh wes— was a response to an article which was trying— was a response to an article which was trying a was a response to an article- which was trying-a very which was trying to make a very huemeet— which was trying to make a very nuanced argument, a of very nuanced argument, a kind of very gtewh— nuanced argument, a kind of very grew up.— nuanced argument, a kind of very grew up. eemetew— nuanced argument, a kind of very grown up, complex, nuanced etgumeht— grown up, complex, nuanced argument about— grown up, complex, nuanced argument about racism, saying it's argument about racism, saying tt-s mush— argument about racism, saying tt-s mush tt-s— argument about racism, saying it's much it's much more straightforward than just black and straightforward than just black emt whtte. — straightforward than just black emt whtte. t— straightforward than just black and white. i think that was eetuettw— and white. i think that was actually the— and white. i think that was actually the headline. yeah. and i actually the headline. yeah. and t ththt— actually the headline. yeah. and t ththt thet— actually the headline. yeah. and i think that nuanced article is the conversation— i think that nuanced article is the conversation that people meet— the conversation that people meet te— the conversation that people need to i having - the conversation that people need to having and the need to be having and the teseehseltt.— need to be having and the response i it, the - need to be having and the response it, the that response to it, the fact that she — response to it, the fact that she just couldn't engage with it . the— she just couldn't engage with it . the test— she just couldn't engage with it , the fact that— she just couldn't engage with it , the fact that if— she just couldn't engage with it , the fact that if it— she just couldn't engage with it , the fact that if it didn't say whet— , the fact that if it didn't say whet she— , the fact that if it didn't say what she wanted— , the fact that if it didn't say what she wanted it to say, it wsht— what she wanted it to say, it wsmt etew— what she wanted it to say, it wsmt okay by— what she wanted it to say, it wasn't okay by her. that's thet-s— wasn't okay by her. that's thet-s why— wasn't okay by her. that's that's why i'm— wasn't okay by her. that's that's why i'm talking about unconscious— that's why i'm talking about unconscious bias. don't unconscious bias. i just don't ththt— unconscious bias. i just don't think-understood- unconscious bias. i just don't think understood stands how think she understood stands how hew— think she understood stands how hew wtehg— think she understood stands how hew wtemg het— think she understood stands how how wrong her views actually amu— how wrong her views actually amt te— how wrong her views actually are. and to lump- how wrong her views actually are. ' how wrong her views actually- are. and to lump people with red hair into the argument come on,

you're not saying people who and let's be honest, what anti—semitism is due hating it's jew hating . and she's comparing jew hating. and she's comparing that with people with getting abuse of having red hair. come on.the abuse of having red hair. come on. the thing is outrageous. what we have what we need to understand about this conversation is that having a prejudice is different to racism . so you can have a prejudice eheut— . so you can have a prejudice eheut e— . so you can have a prejudice eheut e gteuh— . so you can have a prejudice about a group of— so you can have a prejudice about a group of people. so if weue— about a group of people. so if youe tewtsh— about a group of people. so if you're jewish, if— about a group of people. so if you're jewish, if you're muslim, weue— you're jewish, if you're muslim, whe-reest— you're jewish, if you're muslim, you're racist. essentially you're not racist. essentially heeuse— you're not racist. essentially because race— you're not racist. essentially because race is— you're not racist. essentially because race is about colour . because race is about colour. i eem-t— because race is about colour. i eem-t thmt— because race is about colour. i eem-t thmt t— because race is about colour. i don't think i think— because race is about colour. i don't think i think well, no , don't think i think well, no, because you can't because you've got prejudice. i think think got prejudice. i think i think racism prejudice against racism is just prejudice against anyone look like anyone who doesn't look like you. who doesn't sound like you and who doesn't think like which is which. the term is racism. i eem-t— is which. the term is racism. i teh-t ththt— is which. the term is racism. i don't think that's— is which. the term is racism. i don't think that's not- don't think that's not a wetuttee— don't think that's not a prejudice necessarily. the phhetpet— prejudice necessarily. the phhetpet-tt- prejudice necessarily. the principal-it. i- prejudice necessarily. the principal it. i think principal driver of it. i think it's often cultural . and so it's often very cultural. and so i think that's the difference . i think that's the difference. and i think this is quite an interesting argument that we need because i think need to have because i think that, you know, you can dislike somebody of their somebody because of their religion or, you know , the way religion or, you know, the way they speak or or what they

represent. if they're a threat to you, if you don't understand them, if they're other that can sometimes be colour of skin. but often it's not. i mean, look at the irish. no blacks, no dogs. no, i mean, we just we just need to learn to have a healthy conversation. ithink to learn to have a healthy conversation. i think people get thggetet—tewhl triggered trying to shut down ehe— triggered trying to shut down emt thew-te— triggered trying to shut down and they're not— triggered trying to shut down and they're not able to shut them— and they're not able to shut tewh tw— and they're not able to shut down by sending that letter in heeuse— down by sending that letter in because—who- down by sending that letter in because _who the because the person who wrote the etttete— because the person who wrote the ehtete—twthg- article was really trying to hete— article was really trying to- have _conversation. have a healthy conversation. eeeme—heu- have a healthy conversation. . people—you know people should read it. you know what you would say then, bushra, is wasn't an is that the holocaust wasn't an act racism. no. yes yes, act of racism. no. yes yes, eeweet heu— act of racism. no. yes yes, correct. you agree? you don't think was . yes, i don't. think it was. yes, i don't. negative. it was not act of negative. it was not an act of racism. how would negative. it was not an act of racirdescribe how would negative. it was not an act of racirdescribe it how would negative. it was not an act of racirdescribe it then? iow would negative. it was not an act of racirdescribe it then? i would jld you describe it then? i would describe that— you describe it then? i would describe that as— you describe it then? i would describe that as a— :i . g�*tii7 i would describe that as a prejudice egethst— describe that as a prejudice egethst-et- describe that as a prejudice against of people . so against a group of people. so thet— against a group of people. so thet wes— against a group of people. so thet ht— against a group of people. so that was it was— against a group of people. so that was it was a— against a group of people. so that was it was a prejudice egethst— that was it was a prejudice against potentially their face. it against potentially their face. tt-euttmg— against potentially their face. tt-euttmg et— against potentially their face. it-culling of a- against potentially their face. it-culling of a of- against potentially their face. it-culling of a of a- against potentially their face. it-culling of a of a racel it was a culling of a of a race of people , a culling of of people, a culling of a genocide that was what it was. it's a race of people. what heset— it's a race of people. what heset eh— it's a race of people. what based on this— it's a race of people. what based on this skin colour, was it based on this skin colour, was tt heeuse— based on this skin colour, was it because -were - based on this skin colour, was it because were jewish? it because they were jewish? i mean,_is actually. mean, this is this is actually teeth— mean, this is this is actually really important, arguably worse heeuse— really important, arguably worse heeeuse—et- really important, arguably worse because—of all. because there are jews of all colours. yeah— because there are jews of all colours. yeah ,— because there are jews of all colours. / eiffel? because there are jews of all colours. “43?" clkitfifleg colours. yeah, exactly. that's what i'm saying is, is it's

actually worse. i mean you're talking entire talking about culling an entire race. the word is key here. race. the word race is key here. therefore, it is racism . okay, therefore, it is racism. okay, well, it's a religion of the jews . yes. so, look, i mean, i jews. yes. so, look, i mean, i wit— jews. yes. so, look, i mean, i wttt ghe— jews. yes. so, look, i mean, i wttt gtwe you— jews. yes. so, look, i mean, i will give you lvery- “tit; so, look, i mean, i will give you very good will give you a very good exempte— will give you a very good exempte-t- will give you a very good example i have example when i have conversations people example when i have- conversations-people that example when i have- con converts s-people that example when i have- con converts to . people that example when i have con converts to islam,)ple that example when i have con converts to islam, fort that are converts to islam, for exempte— are converts to islam, for. exempte—ttem . example, that are not from, tet-s— example, that are not from, tet-s sew.— example, that are not from, tet-s sew. e— example, that are not from, let's say, a south asian background,— let's say, a south asian background, predominantly or an aret— background, predominantly or an wet—thew- background, predominantly or ani wet—thew may background, predominantly or an- ateh—thew may he arab background. and they may be white and they may be black. they individual of they have an individual type of prejudice and racism because they into different they fall into different categories. so not only do they hete— categories. so not only do they hewe e— categories. so not only do they have a prejudice— ig so not only do they have a prejudice potentially hem— have a prejudice potentially mem eeeme— have a prejudice potentially from people because of their tettgtem— from people because of their tettgtem. thew— from people because of their religion, they also have racism etteehet— religion, they also have racism attached because _ religion, they also have racism attached because perhaps they may— attached because perhaps they mew he— attached because perhaps they may be muslim— attached because perhaps they may be muslim ,— attached because perhaps they may be muslim , um, black people. may be muslim, um, black people. so may be muslim, um, black people. se there— may be muslim, um, black people. se there ee— may be muslim, um, black people. so there are two— may be muslim, um, black people. so there are two different etemehts— so there are two different elements playing in here, you thew.— elements playing in here, you knew se— elements playing in here, you know, so this,— elements playing in here, you know, so this, i— elements playing in here, you know, so this, i mean this again is know, so this, i mean this again tslwetw— know, so this, i mean this again islvery interesting— know, so this, i mean this again is very interesting and is a very interesting and a wttet— is a very interesting and a wider conversation. ' t: is a very interesting and a wider conversation. ' i wider conversation. and with meme— wider conversation. and with diane abbott, i genuinely believe what she was trying to say is that there is a, let's say is that there is a, let's say , an extremity of prejudice say, an extremity of prejudice and racism attached to people that fit into more boxes . so that fit into more boxes. so potentially if you're a- �*" e ”(11.2 so potentially if you're a jewish hteet— potentially if you're a jewish black person,— potentially if you're a jewish black person, you will face more

them— black person, you will face more them weu— black person, you will face more them weu weutt— black person, you will face more than you would as— black person, you will face more than you would as a jewish white or than you would as a jewish white et e tetr— than you would as a jewish white or a fair skinned— than you would as a jewish white or a fair skinned person. i them-t— or a fair skinned person. i utum-t sew— or a fair skinned person. i didn't say that. _ or a fair skinned person. i didn't say that. no- or a fair skinned person. i didn't say that. no no,- or a fair skinned person. i didn't say that. no no, it wasn't. and don't you think she's trying? sarah diane abbott to monopolise it? only the to monopolise it? it only the racism, the worst sort of racism happens to people like her of colour . now happens to people like her of colour. now we know she's been subjected lot of racism, subjected to a lot of racism, probably mp probably more than any other mp , she seems to be trying to , but she seems to be trying to own people with white who own it and people with white who are white who have raised because it's not as serious. well, i think i think, you know, wew— well, i think i think, you know, weut wewteus— well, i think i think, you know, your previous guest was quite thtetesttmg— your previous guest was quite interesting about diane abbott. he interesting about diane abbott. he sett— interesting about diane abbott. he sett thet— interesting about diane abbott. he said that worked with he said that he'd worked with her—teumt- he said that he'd worked with her—found her her and actually he found her teettw— her and actually he found her really gutte— her and actually he found her really quite interesting. and she—she- really quite interesting. and she—she she- really quite interesting. and she-she she is. really quite interesting. and she-she she is al really quite interesting. and- she-she she is a good she you know, she she is a good mp.— she you know, she she is a good tth hut— she you know, she she is a good tth hut hw— she you know, she she is a good tth hut hw ett— she you know, she she is a good mp, but by all accounts, you thew.— mp, but by all accounts, you thew-met. — mp, but by all accounts, you know,-not. but- mp, but by all accounts, you know,-not. but i- mp, but by all accounts, you know, not. but i just know, she's not. but i just thtmt— know, she's not. but i just thtmt she— know, she's not. but i just think she has— know, she's not. but i just think she has this is a bit know, she's not. but i just thia< she has this is a bit know, she's not. but i just thia blindhas this is a bit know, she's not. but i just thia blind spot this is a bit know, she's not. but i just thia blind spot for this is a bit know, she's not. but i just thia blind spot for her. ; a bit know, she's not. but i just thia blind spot for her. of a blind spot for her. she's etse— of a blind spot for her. she's etse get— of a blind spot for her. she's etse get me— of a blind spot for her. she's also got one of— of a blind spot for her. she's also got one of the largest communities of hasidic jews in also got one of the largest concountrys of hasidic jews in also got one of the largest concountry. of hasidic jews in also got one of the largest concountry . sheiasidic jews in also got one of the largest concountry . she went: jews in also got one of the largest concountry . she went and s in also got one of the largest concountry . she went and talked the country. she went and talked to them about racism . they'd to them about racism. they'd say, we a lot of it. diana say, we get a lot of it. diana gets an awful lot. i think the core of what she was perhaps trying to say that there is trying to say was that there is potentially a hierarchical system comes to system when it comes to prejudice racism and

prejudice and racism and different communities and groups can experience it more so than others. that's not a helpful memettwe— others. that's not a helpful narrative, is— others. that's not a helpful narrative, is it? _ others. that's not a helpful narrative, is it? it's- that's not a helpful narrative, is it? e narrative, is it? it's not helpful, but it's definitely a conversation , you see. and it conversation, you see. and it may not be how— conversation, you see. and it may not be how is- conversation, you see. and it may not be how is it- i" and it may not be how is it relevant in terms— may not be how is it relevant in terms-thtmt— may not be how is it relevant in terms-think if— may not be how is it relevant in terms-think if what- may not be how is it relevant in terms think if what anybody terms of i think if what anybody thet—th- that doesn't want to live in a wett— that doesn't want to live in a world—racial- world of prejudice, racial discrimination, religious hetseeuttem.— discrimination, religious persecution, and what we're tetttmg— persecution, and what we're talking about— persecution, and what we're talking about here that talking about here is that thew-te— talking about here is that. thew-te—mtght they're actually they might be gutte—we- they're actually they might bei gutte—we meet they're actually they might bei quite of _we need they're actually they might be quite of bringing we need they're actually they might be quite of bringing peoplee need they're actually they might be quite of bringing people together ways of bringing people together . ether. — ways of bringing people together . ether. teem— ways of bringing people together . other. yeah-her- ways of bringing people together . other. yeah. her rhetoric . other. yeah. and her rhetoric of . other. yeah. and her rhetoric et sewtmg— . other. yeah. and her rhetoric et sewtmg. wett— . other. yeah. and her rhetoric of saying, well, my racism is them— of saying, well, my racism is worse than your— of saying, well, my racism is worse than your racism has the heter— worse than your racism has the peter eeeestte— worse than your racism has the polar opposite effect. i think meteuw— polar opposite effect. i think nobody should have a monopoly on misery. that's just misery. you know, that's just awful. i know. because that's whet—amu- awful. i know. because that's what—andldon'tl what it's about. and i don't think be case of think it should be the case of i suffer you suffer . i suffer more than you suffer. i think people do suffer because this isn't about it being a competition . but what it is competition. but what it is aboutis competition. but what it is about is that if there are communities within the uk that do say, a larger do have, let's say, a larger amount of hate like amount of hate crime like associated them , whether associated to them, whether that's or the that's jewish community or the muslim etcetera, muslim community, etcetera, then that's need to that's something we just need to tackle. ithink. i that's something we just need to tackle. i think. i think sorry, rust— tackle. i think. i think sorry, tust heeuse— tackle. i think. i think sorry, just because you've- i i think. i think sorry, just because you've talked about reremw—te- jeremy corbyn in contrast to jeremy— jeremy corbyn in contrast to jeremy cerhwm.— jeremy corbyn in contrast to jeremy corbyn, she has eeetegtset— jeremy corbyn, she has apologised unreservedly . yeah, apologised unreservedly. yeah, to

apologised unreservedly. yeah, te he— apologised unreservedly. yeah, to be honest. _ apologised unreservedly. yeah, to be honest. so.— apologised unreservedly. yeah, to be honest. t:tit to be honest. so. but do you think be booted out think she should be booted out of altogether? i of labour party altogether? i don't. think should don't. i think that she should be. don't. i think that she should tee-thw— don't. i think that she should he-thtmt we- don't. i think that she should be. think we should be. i mean i think we should umterstemt— be. i mean i think we should understand made the understand that she made the remerst— understand that she made the remarks from _ understand that she made the remarks from her— understand that she made the remarks from her own sort remarks from her own quite sort of remarks from her own quite sort et eesstemete— remarks from her own quite sort of passionate position and she teets— of passionate position and she teets se— of passionate position and she feels so emotional about it, teesm-t— feels so emotional about it, teesm-t she.— feels so emotional about it, doesn't she, really profusely andr— doesn't she, really profusely emt. eme— doesn't she, really profusely emt. emt t— doesn't she, really profusely and, and i think— doesn't she, really profusely and, and i think that i do hettewe— and, and i think that i do believe people- and, and i think that i do believe people should get a seeemt— believe people should get a second chance.— believe people should get a second chance. and i don't think we sheutt— second chance. and i don't think we should cancel— second chance. and i don't think we should cancel people. what do you—i— we should cancel people. what do weu—t-teel you think mistakes. i do, too. veeh— you think mistakes. i do, too. veeh. t— you think mistakes. i do, too. veeh. t he.— you think mistakes. i do, too. yeah, i do, too— you think mistakes. i do, too. yeah, i do, too ,— you think mistakes. i do, too. yeah, i do, too , i— you think mistakes. i do, too. yeah, i do, too , i think. i bet yeah, i do, too, i think. i bet you he kicks her— yeah, i do, too, i think. i bet you he kicks her out. - yeah, i do, too, i think. i bet you he kicks her out. i- yeah, i do, too, i think. i bet you he kicks her out. i mean, twe— you he kicks her out. i mean, the get— you he kicks her out. i mean, the get e— you he kicks her out. i mean, the get e twe— you he kicks her out. i mean, i've got a i've got very, very i've got a i've got a very, very deep that this is deep suspicion that this is probably he waiting probably what he was waiting to do. anyway to be honest. yeah. because she's given corbyn because she's given the corbyn etem — because she's given the corbyn etem lwemts— because she's given the corbyn clan. .wants-all- because she's given the corbyn clan. wants all out, clan. he wants them all out, etem-thts— clan. he wants them all out, even-this was- clan. he wants them all out, even _this was a - clan. he wants them all out, even this was a woman clan. he wants them all out,- even _this was a woman he even though this was a woman he wertet— even though this was a woman he worked—shadow. worked alongside in the shadow eehtmet—thel cabinet who, if they'd won the gemeret— cabinet who, if they'd won the general-would - general election, would have teem—the- general election, would have been _the thing,| been gone. that's the thing, seereterw. — been gone. that's the thing,- seereterw. —heme secretary. if she'd become home secretary. if she'd become home secretary would have been secretary, it would have been a total disaster. she's just. i just like that just think someone like that just think someone like that just . can't home. you just can't. can't be home. you must. you met her, sarah? just can't. can't be home. you musmust you met her, sarah? just can't. can't be home. you musmust havei met her, sarah? just can't. can't be home. you musmust have mett her, sarah? just can't. can't be home. you musmust have met her. sarah? just can't. can't be home. you musmust have met her. have? just can't. can't be home. you musmust have met her. have you? you must have met her. have you? i've you must have met her. have you? the tee.— you must have met her. have you? i've had. she's blocked me on twitter hates me, twitter because she hates me, apparently. but apparently. i don't know. but i, l, apparently. i don't know. but i, i, i've had. i've done panels with her and i've always found her quite an interesting, engaging , actually. but

engaging person, actually. but she does have personally, is she does have personally, she is quite certain quite entrenched in certain areas of her of her sort of points of view. you know, she's not a very flexible mind. yes. yes. you see that ? huge. well, yes. you see that? huge. well, thanks calling me back , thanks for calling me back, because talk because we're going to talk about time about the papers next time because get around to because we didn't get around to it. she doesn't take up it. diana, she doesn't take up quite lot space. quite a lot of space. we're going going be going to we're going to be carrying talking diane carrying on talking about diane abbott, we abbott, of course. and we suspect be booted suspect that she'll be booted out party probably suspect that she'll be booted outthe party probably suspect that she'll be booted outthe end party probably suspect that she'll be booted outthe end of party probably suspect that she'll be booted outthe end of the party probably suspect that she'll be booted outthe end of the day. shetably suspect that she'll be booted outthe end of the day. she might by the end of the day. she might be.

channel. where i channel. where it. i channel.| where it is i channel.- where it is 11:00 on | memet.— where it is 11:00 on monday, the zhth— where it is 11:00 on monday, the 24th et— where it is 11:00 on monday, the 24th et ahrtt. — where it is 11:00 on monday, the 24th of april. welcome to the meht— 24th of april. welcome to the term wtth— 24th of april. welcome to the point with bev— 24th of april. welcome to the point with bev turner and andrew rteree. — point with bev turner and andrew rteree. eemtmg— point with bev turner and andrew rteree. eemtmg uh— point with bev turner and andrew pierce. coming up ,— point with bev turner and andrew pierce. coming up, brits stremtet— pierce. coming up, brits stranded after the diplomats were airlifted— stranded after the diplomats were airlifted out of saddam. wett— were airlifted out of saddam. we-tt he— were airlifted out of saddam. we-tt he gtwmg— were airlifted out of saddam. we'll be giving you— were airlifted out of saddam. we'll be giving you the- were airlifted out of saddam. we'll be giving you the latest on attempts rescue on the attempts to rescue thousands of brits still there . thousands of brits still there. eco militant has threatened to target horses on parade at the coronation as just stop oil bnng coronation as just stop oil bring gridlock to the capital. don't you just love them? oh,

emu— don't you just love them? oh, emu wett— don't you just love them? oh, and well, britain's— don't you just love them? oh, and well, britain's first and longest first female black mp. that's diane abbott. is she going to be kicked out of the labour party? we'll give you the latest over racism latest on the row over racism and she wrote and that letter she wrote to a national an. and sad national newspaper, an. and sad news this morning— national newspaper, an. and sad news this morning ,— national newspaper, an. and sad news this morning , len- and sad news this morning, len goodman, the news this morning, len goodman, the strtettw— news this morning, len goodman, the strictly come— news this morning, len goodman, the strictly come dancing judge, has the strictly come dancing judge, hes thet— the strictly come dancing judge, hes thet et— the strictly come dancing judge, has died at the— the strictly come dancing judge, has died at the age of 78. we're going— has died at the age of 78. we're getmg te— has died at the age of 78. we're getmg te teet— has died at the age of 78. we're going to look back— has died at the age of 78. we're going to look back on his life emet— going to look back on his life and career . we'll— going to look back on his life and career . we'll also have and career. we'll also have sereh— and career. we'll also have sereh whe— and career. we'll also have sarah vine and— and career. we'll also have sarah vine and bushra sheikh teet— sarah vine and bushra sheikh heet th— sarah vine and bushra sheikh heet h the— sarah vine and bushra sheikh back in the studio to debate htg— back in the studio to debate some big stories— back in the studio to debate some big stories of the day. let us thew— some big stories of the day. let us thew weur— some big stories of the day. let us know your thoughts. gb views at us know your thoughts. gb views et ehwtwsut— us know your thoughts. gb views at gbnews.uk is— us know your thoughts. gb views at gbnews.uk is the email ettress— at gbnews.uk is the email address-always. - at gbnews.uk is the email address always. but first of address as always. but first of an.— all, here is your news with temstm— all, here is your news with tamsin roberts— all, here is your news with tamsin roberts . all, here is your news with- tamsin roberts . bev thanks very tamsin roberts. bev thanks very much. good morning from the gb newsroom. it's 11:01. much. good morning from the gb newsroom. it's11:01. diane abbott has been suspended as a labour mp pending an investigation after making racist comments in an article

for the observer. the former shadow health secretary said jewish, irish and traveller people experienced prejudice but not racism. she has since withdrawn the remarks and apologised . labour has apologised. labour has previously come under fire for anti—semitic remarks made by former party leader jeremy corbyn in. asylum seekers are challenging the illegal migration bill in the court of appeal today. last year, two judges dismissed a series of legal bids against the government's plans to send asylum seekers to rwanda . home asylum seekers to rwanda. home secretary suella braverman says she needs the crucial power to stop european judges from intervening in the deportation of people who arrive in the uk via unauthorised routes . scott via unauthorised routes. scott scotland's first minister, will meet the prime minister for the first time in person since taking office. humza yousaf is expected to discuss the tax rise on scotch whisky and westminsters block on controversial gender reforms, controversial gender reform s, which controversial gender reforms, which would allow scottish

people to self—identify their sex. the reforms were blocked by the uk government over their potential impact on uk wide equality laws . the foreign equality laws. the foreign office says the government is doing everything it can to get british nationals in sudan to safety. it's advising those trapped to stay indoors and wait for further information. amid the ongoing violence in the country between two opposing forces , ministers held emergency forces, ministers held emergency talks last night hours after the foreign secretary was questioned as to why british diplomats were being prioritised over sudan based uk citizen as following an evacuation mission . even if we evacuation mission. even if we don't evacuation mission. even if we etem-t hete— evacuation mission. even if we etem-t hewe e— evacuation mission. even if we don't have a plan— evacuation mission. even if we don't have a plan put- i tit" tit" even if we don't have a plan put together a reeegmtttem— don't have a plan put together a reeegmtttem et— don't have a plan put together a recognition of where and how the exeets— recognition of where and how the expets meet— recognition of where and how the esters meet te— recognition of where and how the expats need to get— recognition of where and how the expats need to get out, they wttt— expats need to get out, they wttt stert— expats need to get out, they will start taking— expats need to get out, they will start taking things into them— will start taking things into thetr ewm— will start taking things into their own hands, determine meemtmg— their own hands, determine meaning that— their own hands, determine meaning that it's too dangerous, and meaning that it's too dangerous, emt trw— meaning that it's too dangerous, emt trw emt— meaning that it's too dangerous, and try and make— meaning that it's too dangerous, and try and make their own way to and try and make their own way te-herter.— and try and make their own way to-border. and— and try and make their own way to-border. and _of- to the border. and that, of course-lead- to the border. and that, of. course-leadlsome to the border. and that, of- course-leadlsome some course, could lead to some some wew— course, could lead to some some werw ttttteutt— course, could lead to some some very difficult situations. it very difficult situations. so it is very difficult situations. so it ts-thet— very difficult situations. so it ts-thet we- very difficult situations. so it is-that we see- very difficult situations. so it. is-that we see clarity is important that we see clarity on

is important that we see clarity em hew— is important that we see clarity on how now that— is important that we see clarity on how now that the diplomats are on how now that the diplomats eut— on how now that the diplomats eut. hew— on how now that the diplomats are out, how does— on how now that the diplomats are out, how does everybody else get eut— are out, how does everybody else get eut e — are out, how does everybody else get eut e the— are out, how does everybody else get out ? the average- are out, how does everybody else get out ? g titi. get out? the average house price of a first time buyer has hit a record high of nearly £225,000. that's according to rightmove, who also found that the rising cost of renting may be encouraging some first time buyers to make that jump onto the property ladder. despite higher mortgage rates. the property ladder. despite higher mortgage rates . ambulance higher mortgage rates. ambulance workers belonging to the siptu union are now being balloted for strike action. employee views of the national ambulance service are considering walkouts over plans to introduce new pay scales and employment grades . scales and employment grades. voting will conclude on may the fourth . 1 in 4 people delay fourth. 1 in 4 people delay going to an nhs dentist due to rising costs of treatments. that's according to the british dental association, which says it's concerned by the recent 8.5% price hike. the rise will mean the cost of treatments such as a check up, will increase

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was 78 . this is gb news. more was 78. this is gb news. more from me shortly. now, though, it's back to andrew and beth . it's back to andrew and beth. good morning. thank you for joining - good morning. thank you for tetmtmg-hrtttsh- joining us. now, british ttetemets— joining us. now, british- diplomats-families diplomats and their families hete— diplomats and their families have-rescued- diplomats and their families have rescued from ongoing have been rescued from ongoing wetemee— have been rescued from ongoing wetemee th— have been rescued from ongoing violence in sudan.— have been rescued from ongoing violence in sudan. the prime trtmtster— violence in sudan. the prime minister confirmed france minister has confirmed france emt— minister has confirmed france emt-umttet— minister has confirmed france and united states have and the united states have eweeuetet— and the united states have evacuated diplomatic evacuated their diplomatic eereh— evacuated their diplomatic eeme—et- evacuated their diplomatic. corps,_of their corps, but thousands of their etttzems— corps, but thousands of their citizens-british- corps, but thousands of their citizens british citizens citizens and british citizens stit— citizens and british citizens are still stranded in khartoum . are still stranded in khartoum. so are still stranded in khartoum. se tetmtmg— are still stranded in khartoum. se tetmtmg us— are still stranded in khartoum. so joining us now— are still stranded in khartoum. so joining us now is the defence ettter— so joining us now is the defence ettter ter— so joining us now is the defence editor for the— so joining us now is the defence editor for the evening standard, tetert— editor for the evening standard, tetert tee.— editor for the evening standard, robert fox, and— editor for the evening standard, robert fox, and the conservative mp robert fox, and the conservative the ter— robert fox, and the conservative mp for beckenham _ robert fox, and the conservative mp for beckenham , colonel bob mp for beckenham, colonel bob stewert— mp for beckenham, colonel bob stewert .— mp for beckenham, colonel bob stewert . teet— mp for beckenham, colonel bob stewart . good morning both. stewart. good morning both. themt— stewart. good morning both. themt weu— stewart. good morning both. thank you-much- stewart. good morning both. thank you much for joining thank you very much for joining us. thank you very much for joining us-tt— thank you very much for joining us-tt we— thank you very much for joining us-tt we ee— thank you very much for joining us.-if we can come- thank you very much for joining us. if we can come to us. robert, if we can come to weu.— us. robert, if we can come to weu. hew— us. robert, if we can come to you. how difficult— us. robert, if we can come to you. how difficult an exercise, a you. how difficult an exercise, e mtttterw— you. how difficult an exercise, a military evacuation exercise wttt— a military evacuation exercise wttt thts— a military evacuation exercise will this have— a military evacuation exercise will this have been for the hrtttsh— will this have been for the british forces— will this have been for the british forces in- will this have been for the british forces in sudan and how mueh— british forces in sudan and how mueh te— british forces in sudan and how much more do they still have to do much more do they still have to te e — much more do they still have to te e eetemet— much more do they still have to

do ? colonel stewart- much more do they still have to do ? : do? colonel stewart would probably be better qualified technically to answer that than i. but but but it is an extremely difficult situation. khartoum is very difficult. they're spread out. you've got the nile going through it. they're spread out. you've got the nile going through it . and the nile going through it. and this is the thing that was declared by andrew mitchell , the declared by andrew mitchell, the minister at the foreign office this morning, saying that it's just too difficult to get the 2000 plus brits , citizen 2000 plus brits, citizen applicants who have said that they would like rescue from khartoum and the area that's khartoum and the area that's khartoum alone there are british passport holders and citizens elsewhere in the country. it is a stinker . elsewhere in the country. it is a stinker. it's very, very difficult indeed. well, let's bnng difficult indeed. well, let's hrtmg het— difficult indeed. well, let's bring bob stewart- r: i 3: well, let's bring bob stewart into 3 i 33 well, let's bring bob stewart into it. eetemet— bring bob stewart into it. colonel bob— bring bob stewart into it. colonel bob stewart. bob, memtmg— colonel bob stewart. bob, mermtmg te— colonel bob stewart. bob, morning to you. technically, how ttttteutt— morning to you. technically, how ttttteutt ts— morning to you. technically, how difficult is it?— morning to you. technically, how difficult is it? would it have teem— difficult is it? would it have teem te— difficult is it? would it have teem te get— difficult is it? would it have been to get the— difficult is it? would it have been to get the diplomats out? thew-we— been to get the diplomats out? thew-we get— been to get the diplomats out? thew-we get eut— been to get the diplomats out? they've got out already, but is it they've got out already, but is t getmg— they've got out already, but is t getmg te— they've got out already, but is t getmg te he— they've got out already, but is it going to be even more hezerteus— it going to be even more hazardous now- it going to be even more hazardous now to get potentially theusemts— hazardous now to get potentially theusemts et— hazardous now to get potentially thousands of brits— hazardous now to get potentially thousands of brits out when thew-re— thousands of brits out when thew-re met— thousands of brits out when they're not all— thousands of brits out when they're not all living in the

same diplomatic compound ? same diplomatic compound? tehert— same diplomatic compound? robert summed— same diplomatic compound? robert summed it— same diplomatic compound? robert summed it up- same diplomatic compound? robert summed it up already. it's hugely difficult . they're it's hugely difficult. they're eettet— it's hugely difficult. they're eettet th— it's hugely difficult. they're eettet tm mw— it's hugely difficult. they're called in my day anyway , they called in my day anyway, they eettet— called in my day anyway, they were called joint— called in my day anyway, they were called joint theatre plans. amt— were called joint theatre plans. amt t— were called joint theatre plans. amt t eetuettw— were called joint theatre plans. and i actually when i was in the met— and i actually when i was in the met eeeute— and i actually when i was in the met eeeute e— and i actually when i was in the mod execute a couple of those these— mod execute a couple of those these items— mod execute a couple of those these etems .— mod execute a couple of those those plans . so— mod execute a couple of those those plans . so these plans will those plans. so these plans will hete— those plans. so these plans will hewe teem— those plans. so these plans will hewe teem th— those plans. so these plans will have been in the— those plans. so these plans will have been in the making for some ttme— have been in the making for some ttme emt— have been in the making for some time and frankly,— have been in the making for some time and frankly, the real hrehtem — time and frankly, the real hrehtem ts— time and frankly, the real problem is probably not going going— problem is probably not going getmg th— problem is probably not going getmg tm te— problem is probably not going going in to some— problem is probably not going going in to some base , an going in to some base, an etrstrth— going in to some base, an airstrip maybe— going in to some base, an airstrip maybe somewhere , but airstrip maybe somewhere, but eetuettw— airstrip maybe somewhere, but eetuettw getmg— airstrip maybe somewhere, but actually going out from the etrstrth— actually going out from the etrstrth .— actually going out from the airstrip . 2000— actually going out from the airstrip . 2000 people all over airstrip. 2000 people all over the— airstrip. 2000 people all over the eeumtrw— airstrip. 2000 people all over the country, hugely , hugely the country, hugely, hugely ttttteutt— the country, hugely, hugely ttttteutt . — the country, hugely, hugely difficult . so— the country, hugely, hugely difficult . so i— the country, hugely, hugely difficult . 3 .. c t: the country, hugely, hugely difficult . 3 .. c 3 difficult. so i don't quite know how it can be achieved . and of how it can be achieved. and of course, it will be _ how it can be achieved. and of course, it will be hugely- c i .. i 3 and of course, it will be hugely risky . wett— course, it will be hugely risky . wett. ts— course, it will be hugely risky . well, is there— course, it will be hugely risky . well, is there also- . well, is there also a suggestion some people are saying that the government should have given more warning that situation was becoming that the situation was becoming unstable. have to unstable. do people not have to take some responsibility for their here and make their own lives here and make a decision themselves to perhaps get sooner ? well, i'm quite get out sooner? well, i'm quite sure that the foreign commonwealth office and

development office cho will have given out warnings about this for quite a while now. i haven't looked at the website thts— haven't looked at the website thts memtmg— haven't looked at the website this morning, but previous it's teem— this morning, but previous it's teem wemtmg— this morning, but previous it's been warning that there are real temgers— been warning that there are real temgers temg— been warning that there are real dangers being in— been warning that there are real dangers being in the sudan in a way— dangers being in the sudan in a way ,— dangers being in the sudan in a wew . wes.— dangers being in the sudan in a wew . wes. hut— dangers being in the sudan in a way , yes. but british citizens , way, yes. but british citizens, as way, yes. but british citizens, es etwews— way, yes. but british citizens, as always, believe that in the em— as always, believe that in the emt thetr— as always, believe that in the end their government will come emt— end their government will come emt pret— end their government will come emt htet them— end their government will come and pick them up— end their government will come and pick them up somehow or ether.— and pick them up somehow or ether. hut— and pick them up somehow or other. but frankly— and pick them up somehow or other. but frankly , it is hugely other. but frankly, it is hugely ttttteutt— other. but frankly, it is hugely difficult what— other. but frankly, it is hugely difficult what has happened , i difficult what has happened, i suspeet— difficult what has happened, i susheet. emt— difficult what has happened, i suspect, and i,— difficult what has happened, i suspect, and i, i— difficult what has happened, i suspect, and i, i don't want to go suspect, and i, i don't want to ge thte— suspect, and i, i don't want to ge thte tee— suspect, and i, i don't want to go into too much— suspect, and i, i don't want to go into too much detail , but go into too much detail, but hrtttsh— go into too much detail, but british troops— go into too much detail, but british troops will be deployed to somewhere _ british troops will be deployed to somewhere close to sudan and reetw— to somewhere close to sudan and reetw te— to somewhere close to sudan and reetw te ge— to somewhere close to sudan and reetw te ge th— to somewhere close to sudan and ready to go in and— to somewhere close to sudan and ready to go in and these plans wttt— ready to go in and these plans wttt hete— ready to go in and these plans will have been— ready to go in and these plans will have been rehearsed, greettset— will have been rehearsed, practised and— will have been rehearsed, practised and actually the ererst— practised and actually the ererst mew— practised and actually the orders may well have even been gtwem— orders may well have even been gtwem hut— orders may well have even been gtwem hut hut— orders may well have even been given. but but what the heck hehhems— given. but but what the heck heeeems whem— given. but but what the heck happens when they get on the greumte— happens when they get on the ground? that's— happens when they get on the ground? that's where the real temger— ground? that's where the real temger eemes— ground? that's where the real danger comes in. ' 3 t danger comes in. and robert, there are western fears that the

russians are going to establish a military base on the red sea , a military base on the red sea, which sudanese leaders have been very open to that for some years , it seems. should we be worried about that ? yes we should be about that? yes we should be worried. but as you rightly say, thts— worried. but as you rightly say, thts hes— worried. but as you rightly say, this has been— worried. but as you rightly say, this has been in— worried. but as you rightly say, this has been in the— ti.t3 but as you rightly say, this has been in the wind and in the wews— this has been in the wind and in the werts ter— this has been in the wind and in the works for some— this has been in the wind and in the works for some time with the mute. — the works for some time with the mute. whteh— the works for some time with the militia, which curiously, that thet— militia, which curiously, that thet ts— militia, which curiously, that thet ts the— militia, which curiously, that that is the rapid— militia, which curiously, that that is the rapid reaction tee— that is the rapid reaction force, which— that is the rapid reaction force, which is- that is the rapid reaction force, which is better equipped, it force, which is better equipped, tt tums— force, which is better equipped, tt tums eut— force, which is better equipped, it turns out, for— force, which is better equipped, it turns out, for this kind of ttghttmg— it turns out, for this kind of ttghttmg them— it turns out, for this kind of fighting than the established mtttterw— fighting than the established mtttterw thet— fighting than the established military that they're being heetet— military that they're being heetet hw— military that they're being backed by her— military that they're being backed by her a name that we've got backed by her a name that we've get te— backed by her a name that we've get te thew— backed by her a name that we've got to know quite _ backed by her a name that we've got to know quite well through whethe— got to know quite well through ukraine, yevgeny_ got to know quite well through ukraine, yevgeny prigozhin and the wegmer— ukraine, yevgeny prigozhin and the wagner group, who are very tusw— the wagner group, who are very tusw te— the wagner group, who are very tusw te the— the wagner group, who are very busy to the north— the wagner group, who are very busy to the north in libya . and busy to the north in libya. and yes,— busy to the north in libya. and wes. thts— busy to the north in libya. and wes. thts ts— busy to the north in libya. and wes. thts ts e— busy to the north in libya. and yes, this is a very_ busy to the north in libya. and yes, this is a very volatile eeettett— yes, this is a very volatile eeettett .— yes, this is a very volatile cocktail . and— yes, this is a very volatile cocktail . and that's why i agree cocktail. and that's why i agree wtth— cocktail. and that's why i agree wtth het— cocktail. and that's why i agree wtth heh .— cocktail. and that's why i agree wtth heh . t— cocktail. and that's why i agree with bob . i think— cocktail. and that's why i agree with bob . i think the british with bob. i think the british wtt— with bob. i think the british wttt hete— with bob. i think the british will have been— with bob. i think the british will have been looking at this. they— will have been looking at this. thew het— will have been looking at this. thew het em— will have been looking at this. they had an interest in the past to they had an interest in the past te ht.— they had an interest in the past te tt. thew— they had an interest in the past to it. they have— they had an interest in the past to it. they have been a gueremter— to it. they have been a guarantor for- to it. they have been a guarantor for two very us

sehees— guarantor for two very us schemes of— guarantor for two very us schemes of security to transfer to schemes of security to transfer te etwt— schemes of security to transfer te etwt rute— schemes of security to transfer te etwt rute .— schemes of security to transfer to civil rule . but— schemes of security to transfer to civil rule . but let's talk to civil rule. but let's talk eeeut— to civil rule. but let's talk eteut whet— to civil rule. but let's talk about what the- to civil rule. but let's talk about what the basic problem is. amt— about what the basic problem is. amt amtrew— about what the basic problem is. and andrew mitchell was very eteer— and andrew mitchell was very eteer eteut— and andrew mitchell was very clear about this. _ and andrew mitchell was very clear about this. they don't wemt— clear about this. they don't wemt te— clear about this. they don't want to advise— clear about this. they don't want to advise citizens to go eut— want to advise citizens to go eut et— want to advise citizens to go eut et thet— want to advise citizens to go out of their houses while there is out of their houses while there ts sueh— out of their houses while there ts sueh e— out of their houses while there is such a sporadic— out of their houses while there is such a sporadic but very heeww— is such a sporadic but very heeww eut— is such a sporadic but very heavy out breaks of street ttghttmg— heavy out breaks of street ttghttmg th— heavy out breaks of street fighting in khartoum. the french tetegettem— fighting in khartoum. the french delegation, when— fighting in khartoum. the french delegation, when it was trying to delegation, when it was trying te get— delegation, when it was trying te get eut— delegation, when it was trying te get eut et— delegation, when it was trying to get out of its— delegation, when it was trying to get out of its compound with a to get out of its compound with e reet— to get out of its compound with e reet eemew— to get out of its compound with a road convoy, they were driven teet— a road convoy, they were driven teet hw— a road convoy, they were driven teet hw gumttre— a road convoy, they were driven back by gunfire. gunfire aimed at back by gunfire. gunfire aimed et them— back by gunfire. gunfire aimed et them . — back by gunfire. gunfire aimed et them . het— back by gunfire. gunfire aimed at them . bob ,— back by gunfire. gunfire aimed at them . bob , tell- back by gunfire. gunfire aimed at them . at; at them. bob, tell us about sudan. why is it so strategically interesting for russia to set its sights on? well fundamentally, it's got a roberts mentioned it and you've mentioned it, a port on the red sea. imean, mentioned it, a port on the red sea. i mean, the russians are wew.— sea. i mean, the russians are veryr wew— i mean, the russians are very, very interested in eetuettw— very, very interested in actually getting securing a port on actually getting securing a port em the— actually getting securing a port em the teet— actually getting securing a port on the red sea— actually getting securing a port on the red sea and that is what thew— on the red sea and that is what thew went.— on the red sea and that is what thew wemt. amt— on the red sea and that is what they want. and they want it

secure. i mean,— they want. and they want it secure. i mean, they've already wertet— secure. i mean, they've already wertet wew— secure. i mean, they've already worked very hard— secure. i mean, they've already worked very hard in syria and thew-we— worked very hard in syria and thew-we get— worked very hard in syria and thew-we get e— worked very hard in syria and they've got a base so they've got a base there. so thet-s— they've got a base there. so thet-s the— they've got a base there. so that's the sort— they've got a base there. so that's the sort of- they've got a base there. so that's the sort of thing they went— that's the sort of thing they went .— that's the sort of thing they went . hut— that's the sort of thing they want . but the— that's the sort of thing they want . but the strategic want. but the strategic tmhertemee— want. but the strategic importance of sudan more gemerettw— importance of sudan more gemerettw ts— importance of sudan more generally is it's- importance of sudan more generally is it's always been a pewter— generally is it's always been a pewter heg— generally is it's always been a powder keg actually , from my powder keg actually, from my eerttest— powder keg actually, from my earliest times— powder keg actually, from my earliest times as— powder keg actually, from my earliest times as a military ettteer— earliest times as a military ettteer .— earliest times as a military ettteer. t— earliest times as a military officer , i remember that. and officer, i remember that. and going— officer, i remember that. and getmg te— officer, i remember that. and going to khartoum was always eemstteret— going to khartoum was always considered to— going to khartoum was always considered to be— going to khartoum was always considered to be a very temgereus— considered to be a very dangerous posting anyway. and my own dangerous posting anyway. and my whe— dangerous posting anyway. and my own wife actually— dangerous posting anyway. and my own wife actually operated in seuth— own wife actually operated in seuth sutem— own wife actually operated in south sudan for— own wife actually operated in south sudan for the international committee of the tet— international committee of the ttet eress — international committee of the ttet eress t— international committee of the red cross. i mean— international committee of the red cross. i mean , as i recall, red cross. i mean, as i recall, she— red cross. i mean, as i recall, she eemet— red cross. i mean, as i recall, she eemet te— red cross. i mean, as i recall, she seemed to have to spend ewerw— she seemed to have to spend ewerw mtght— she seemed to have to spend ewerw mtght th— she seemed to have to spend ewerw mtght m e— she seemed to have to spend every night in a slit trench whem— every night in a slit trench when she— every night in a slit trench when she was— every night in a slit trench when she was an international when she was in an international eemmtttee— when she was in an international eemmtttee et— when she was in an international committee of the— when she was in an international committee of the cross base. committee of the red cross base. i committee of the red cross base. t meem— committee of the red cross base. t .— committee of the red cross base. t . huge.— committee of the red cross base. t . huge. t— committee of the red cross base. i mean , huge. i mean , she tells i mean, huge. i mean, she tells me— i mean, huge. i mean, she tells me tt— i mean, huge. i mean, she tells me tt es— i mean, huge. i mean, she tells me it was utterly— i mean, huge. i mean, she tells me it was utterly lawless and thtmgs— me it was utterly lawless and things haven't— me it was utterly lawless and things haven't changed. yeah amezmg. — things haven't changed. yeah amazing. amazing.— things haven't changed. yeah amazing. amazing. thank- things haven't changed. yeah amazing. amazing. thank you, gentlemen . fascinating insight gentlemen. fascinating insight there. defence editor for the evening standard, robert fox and conservative mp for beckenham, colonel bob stewart. it's really interesting , isn't it? isn't it? interesting, isn't it? isn't it? and the more you realise, you

look it and you think this look at it and you think this russia, muscles, russia, russia, it's muscles, they're not just content with ukraine want saddam ukraine now. they want saddam and ukraine now. they want saddam emt thew— ukraine now. they want saddam emt thew-the— ukraine now. they want saddam emt thew-the pert- ukraine now. they want saddam and they-the port and- they want saddam and they the port and the and they want the port and the red and they want the port and the ret-stretegte— and they want the port and the red strategic reasons. red sea for strategic reasons. as het— red sea for strategic reasons. as bob stewart— red sea for strategic reasons. as bob stewart said, they've got red sea for strategic reasons. as eint stewart said, they've got red sea for strategic reasons. as ein syria.art said, they've got red sea for strategic reasons. as ein syria. that'si, they've got red sea for strategic reasons. as ein syria. that's where ve got one in syria. that's where thew-we— one in syria. that's where thew-we-huge- one in syria. that's where they've huge influence, they've got huge influence, reetw— they've got huge influence, really interesting. and i suspeet— really interesting. and i suspect those brits will be there— suspect those brits will be there ter— suspect those brits will be there for quite— suspect those brits will be there for quite a long time to ttght— there for quite a long time to come. right. moving- there for quite a long time to come. md g there for quite a long time to come. 3g �*3 come. right. moving on, the government's plan to deport illegal to rwanda faces government's plan to deport illebiggest to rwanda faces government's plan to deport illebiggest test. to rwanda faces government's plan to deport illebiggest test. so rwanda faces government's plan to deport illebiggest test. so faranda faces government's plan to deport illebiggest test. so far asia faces government's plan to deport illebiggest test. so far as the ces its biggest test. so far as the court of appeal prepares hear court of appeal prepares to hear legal the legal arguments against the policy. of legal arguments against the policy . of course, this is the policy. of course, this is the cornerstone _ policy. of course, this is the cornerstone of _ {at of course, this is the cornerstone of rishi sunak five ptetges— cornerstone of rishi sunak five ptetges. he— cornerstone of rishi sunak five ptetges. he sews— cornerstone of rishi sunak five pledges. he says he's going to step—sewsi stop the small boats. he says etteettwetw— stop the small boats. he says effectively anyone who crosses the meme— effectively anyone who crosses the channel in— effectively anyone who crosses the channel in small boats will be the channel in small boats will he regertet— the channel in small boats will be regarded migrant be regarded as illegal migrant and be regarded as illegal migrant emtlsemt— be regarded as illegal migrant emtlsemt te— be regarded as illegal migrant and sent to rwanda. so let's and be sent to rwanda. so let's twe— and be sent to rwanda. so let's cross live now— and be sent to rwanda. so let's cross live now to— and be sent to rwanda. so let's cross live now to our home and seeurttw— cross live now to our home and seeurttw ettter— cross live now to our home and security editor mark white, whe-s— security editor mark white, whe-s teem— security editor mark white, who's been following this story emt— who's been following this story emtlet— who's been following this story emtlet-ttewet— who's been following this story and at royal courts of and is at the royal courts of justice— and is at the royal courts of tusttee ter— and is at the royal courts of justice for-now.- and is at the royal courts of justice for. now. - and is at the royal courts of justice for now. i: and is at the royal courts of- justice for-now. good morning justice for us now. good morning , mark. you were at the royal courts of justice. why is that? what happens . next well, this what happens. next well, this case has now begun- what happens. next well, this case has now begun a- trixc well, this case has now begun a big and tmpertemt— case has now begun a big and important week— case has now begun a big and important week for the uk gewemmemt—

important week for the uk gewemmemt .— important week for the uk government , really impossible to government, really impossible to overstress how— government, really impossible to overstress how important this eeeerttmg— overstress how important this eeeerttmg te— overstress how important this according to rishi sunak and the heme— according to rishi sunak and the heme seereterw— according to rishi sunak and the home secretary suella braverman is a home secretary suella braverman ts e wtet— home secretary suella braverman is a vital component to the government's— is a vital component to the government's plans to try to get a grip— government's plans to try to get e grtp wtth— government's plans to try to get e grtp wtth the— government's plans to try to get a grip with the small boats ertsts— a grip with the small boats ertsts emt— a grip with the small boats crisis and stop— a grip with the small boats crisis and stop these people eemtmg— crisis and stop these people coming across— crisis and stop these people coming across the english ehemet— coming across the english ehemmet tm— coming across the english channel in these inflatable ttmghtes. — channel in these inflatable dinghies. and— channel in these inflatable dinghies. and we had close to heoee— dinghies. and we had close to heoee test— dinghies. and we had close to 46,000 last year. _ dinghies. and we had close to 46,000 last year. the government .threugh— 46,000 last year. the government .threugh thet— 46,000 last year. the government , through their lawyers, are etreetw— , through their lawyers, are etreetw sewtmg— , through their lawyers, are already saying that this year thew-re— already saying that this year thew-re .— already saying that this year they're . prepared for 56,000. a they're. prepared for 56,000. a lot they're. prepared for 56,000. a tet wtt— they're. prepared for 56,000. a lot will depend— they're. prepared for 56,000. a lot will depend ,— they're. prepared for 56,000. a lot will depend , of course, on lot will depend, of course, on the— lot will depend, of course, on the weether. — lot will depend, of course, on the weather. but— lot will depend, of course, on the weather. but if we get a reetw— the weather. but if we get a reettw geet— the weather. but if we get a really good flat,— the weather. but if we get a really good flat, calm summer, them— really good flat, calm summer, them eetuettw— really good flat, calm summer, then actually it— really good flat, calm summer, then actually it could be more them— then actually it could be more them seepe- — then actually it could be more than 56,000. so _ then actually it could be more than 56,000. so part of the disincentive _ than 56,000. so part of the disincentive to _ than 56,000. so part of the disincentive to break the people smuggters— disincentive to break the people smugglers model— disincentive to break the people smugglers model is this plan to semt— smugglers model is this plan to semt eswtum — smugglers model is this plan to send asylum seekers to rwanda for send asylum seekers to rwanda ter preeesstmg— send asylum seekers to rwanda for processing. it— send asylum seekers to rwanda for processing. it would be a wew— for processing. it would be a one way ticket— for processing. it would be a one way ticket if— for processing. it would be a one way ticket if they accepted for one way ticket if they accepted ter eswtum — one way ticket if they accepted ter eswtum tm— one way ticket if they accepted for asylum in that— one way ticket if they accepted

for asylum in that country, then thew— for asylum in that country, then thew weutt— for asylum in that country, then thew weutt he— for asylum in that country, then they would be housed , housed and they would be housed, housed and setttet— they would be housed, housed and setttet tm— they would be housed, housed and settled in rwanda— they would be housed, housed and settled in rwanda .— they would be housed, housed and settled in rwanda . they wouldn't settled in rwanda. they wouldn't be settled in rwanda. they wouldn't he ettewet— settled in rwanda. they wouldn't he ettewet te— settled in rwanda. they wouldn't be allowed to return to the uk. wew— be allowed to return to the uk. new thts— be allowed to return to the uk. new thts eppeet— be allowed to return to the uk. now this appeal here at the eeurt— now this appeal here at the eeurt et— now this appeal here at the court of appeal— now this appeal here at the court of appeal is being heard by court of appeal is being heard hw three— court of appeal is being heard hw three et— court of appeal is being heard by three of the— court of appeal is being heard by three of the most senior tutges— by three of the most senior tutges tm— by three of the most senior tutges m the— by three of the most senior judges in the land, including the tert— judges in the land, including the lord chief— judges in the land, including the lord chief justice. and thew-re— the lord chief justice. and they're hearing— the lord chief justice. and they're hearing , first of all, they're hearing, first of all, trem— they're hearing, first of all, trem the— they're hearing, first of all, from the appellants , from those from the appellants, from those represemttmg— from the appellants, from those represemttmg e— from the appellants, from those representing a group of asylum seeetrs— representing a group of asylum seeetrs trem — representing a group of asylum seekers from iran,— representing a group of asylum seekers from iran, iraq and swit— seekers from iran, iraq and swrte. es— seekers from iran, iraq and swrte. es wett— seekers from iran, iraq and syria, as well as- seekers from iran, iraq and syria, as well as some charities whe— syria, as well as some charities whe sew— syria, as well as some charities whe sew thet— syria, as well as some charities who say that actually their humem— who say that actually their human rights— who say that actually their human rights would not be respeetet— human rights would not be respected in— human rights would not be respected in rwanda, that it tees— respected in rwanda, that it tees met— respected in rwanda, that it does not have— respected in rwanda, that it does not have a— respected in rwanda, that it does not have a good human rtghts— does not have a good human rtghts reeert— does not have a good human rights record aid,— does not have a good human rights record aid, and that semttmg— rights record aid, and that sending them— rights record aid, and that sending them to them, sending them — sending them to them, sending them te— sending them to them, sending them to rwanda— sending them to them, sending them to rwanda would be a cruel and them to rwanda would be a cruel emt tmhumeme— them to rwanda would be a cruel and inhumane policy if it were eteptet— and inhumane policy if it were eteptet hw— and inhumane policy if it were eteptet hw the— and inhumane policy if it were adopted by the british government - adopted by the british government stir adopted by the british— government mark, keep us posted , won't you, on what happens today. , won't you, on what happens today . mark white there down at today. mark white there down at the royal courts. lots of you

getttmg— the royal courts. lots of you getttmg tm— the royal courts. lots of you getting in touch— the royal courts. lots of you getting in touch about- 3 ti.tit. lots of you getting in touch about these wemtmg— getting in touch about these warning alerts.— getting in touch about these warning alerts. you really don't the— warning alerts. you really don't thte them.— warning alerts. you really don't thte them. te— warning alerts. you really don't like them, do you? chris says, i tum— like them, do you? chris says, i tum mw— like them, do you? chris says, i tum mw pheme— like them, do you? chris says, i turn my phone and— like them, do you? chris says, i turn my phone and broadband off. i turn my phone and broadband off. t hete— turn my phone and broadband off. t heweietert— turn my phone and broadband off. i have-alert-off- i have all alert switched off emwwew— i have all alert switched off emwwewlt— i have all alert switched off anyway,-i didn't- i have all alert switched off anyway, i didn't want anyway, but i didn't want to tete— anyway, but i didn't want toi tete—hrtem take any chances. and brian sews.— take any chances. and brian sews-entre— take any chances. and brian says, entire family only says, our entire family not only swttehet— says, our entire family not only switched emergency alerts on switched off emergency alerts on all switched off emergency alerts on ett-phemes.— switched off emergency alerts on ett-phemes. we— switched off emergency alerts on all phones, we refused sim all our phones, we refused sim eerts— all our phones, we refused sim eerts emt— all our phones, we refused sim cards and turned— all our phones, we refused sim cards and turned them off eemptetetw— cards and turned them off eemptetetw .— cards and turned them off completely . consequently, no completely. consequently, no tmtrustem— completely. consequently, noj intrusion _will intrusion whatsoever. we will met— intrusion whatsoever. we will met-prweew- intrusion whatsoever. we will not privacy invaded by not have our privacy invaded by the—wew. l the government in this way. stephem— the government in this way. stephem-sett— the government in this way. stephen-said in- the government in this way. stephen-said in fact,- the government in this way. i stephen .said in fact, can we stephen has said in fact, can we can play alert now? i can we play the alert now? i think we've got the footage of it. remind the it. just to remind you, the moment of just about. moment of horror, just about. well, it at 259, well, some people got it at 259, some got it at three. some people got it at three. here it is . so irritating and here it is. so irritating and noise as well . it's a it's here it is. so irritating and noise as well. it's a it's a it is a terror frying sound. if it's designed to frighten you, then it did. i ran a twitter poll actually yesterday. i've just remembered on my own twitter were just remembered on my own twitte well were just remembered on my own twitte well , were just remembered on my own twitte well , okay, were just remembered on my own twitte well , okay, admittedly, it about well, okay, admittedly, it was rather self—selecting because it's people who follow me they have really me and they know i have a really strong on so it strong opinion on this. so it might be a little self—selecting. basically self—selecting. but basically there of people voted there was a lot of people voted and most of them over 90. it said that they'd nine 88.7,

there was nearly 20,000 people voted. thank you. if you're one of them, nearly 90% said, no, we do not need this in the uk. that's point. is it is there that's the point. is it is there is there a necessity for it? john burnham sea is there a necessity for it? john.burnham.sea this john in burnham on sea says this i john in burnham on sea says this t-suspteteus— john in burnham on sea says this t-suspteteus et— john in burnham on sea says this i-suspicious of it,- john in burnham on sea says this i-suspicious of it, so- i was very suspicious of it, so i was very suspicious of it, so t-tt— i was very suspicious of it, so t-tt ett— i was very suspicious of it, so t-tt ett. whe- i was very suspicious of it, so i it off. who knows what i turned it off. who knows what eeeessleeutt— i turned it off. who knows what accesslcould give _ i turned it off. who knows what access could give the access it could give the government _ access it could give the government your phone , its government to your phone, its eemtemt— government to your phone, its eemtemt. emt— government to your phone, its content, and even— government to your phone, its content, and even in a way of treettmg— content, and even in a way of tracking-well,- content, and even in a way of tracking well, that's what tracking you. well, that's what peepte—eteut. i people are worried about. you thew.— people are worried about. you thew-emeugh- people are worried about. you know,-enough, i'm- people are worried about. you know, enough, i'm not know, funnily enough, i'm not that that. i don't that worried about that. i don't i kind sure that i don't i kind of i'm sure that i don't have that level of suspicion about what they're actually doing. but think doing. but i do think it's fairly valid. but what i am just worried about the worried about is the interaction. this interaction. i've said this before, relationship before, it's the relationship between and the between the individual and the government. idea that between the individual and the gov government's idea that between the individual and the gov government's job idea that between the individual and the gov government's job is ea that between the individual and the gov government's job is to that between the individual and the gov government's job is to tell the government's job is to tell me to careful . one of the me to be careful. one of the ministers was was was on the tv talking about it, and he said it's the government's to job keep and i thought, keep you safe. and i thought, it's not your job to keep me safe. that's my job. well that's one of the first duties is to protect the realm, i suppose, as a country. yeah. it's my job to teet— a country. yeah. it's my job to

teet erter— a country. yeah. it's my job to look after myself. _ a country. yeah. it's my job to look after myself. if- a country. yeah. it's my job to look after myself. if i- ti.tit. yeah. it's my job to look after myself. if i cross the— look after myself. if i cross the reet— look after myself. if i cross the road and— look after myself. if i cross the road and don't look left and rtght— the road and don't look left and rtght emt— the road and don't look left and rtght emt t— the road and don't look left and rtght emt t get— the road and don't look left and right and i get run— the road and don't look left and right and i get run over, it's my— right and i get run over, it's- my_government's. my fault, not the government's. veeh. — my fault, not the government's. veeh. .tmew— my fault, not the government's. yeah, - know what? _ my fault, not the government's. yeah, .know what? invest- my fault, not the government's. yeah, .know what? invest in. my fault, not the government's. t/tiuit c c7’ .. my fault, not the government's. the military. invest in the police. safe. police. that'll keep me safe. not a message poxy not giving me a message of poxy message to tell me not giving me a message of poxy mlbeage to tell me not giving me a message of poxy mlbe frightened to tell me not giving me a message of poxy mlbe frightened all to tell me not giving me a message of poxy mlbe frightened all the 0 tell me not giving me a message of poxy mlbe frightened all the time. me to be frightened all the time. you can people. can you can frighten people. you can control the creep. control them. it's the creep. and might happy it. and you might be happy with it. under this government. but if keir then how keir starmer got in, then how would that? if would you feel about that? if you could just tell you when your you can't your phone beeps, you can't leave house. your leave your house. when your phone beeps, you've got to go and something. want and do something. i don't want the government impinging my the government impinging on my life like that. now, you mentioned life like that. now, you mentiorto our next item. now, segway to our next item. now, still come, the still to come, should the government do more helping still to come, should the gov military do more helping still to come, should the gov military veterans? helping our military veterans? we're going one going to be speaking to one armed charity that's armed forces charity that's campaigning for government support . you're with .

there's a whole range of things that you're listening to. gb news radio . well, come back. news radio. well, come back. welcome back. it's 1121. you're with andrew pierce and bev turner on gb news. this is to the point right now, help for heroes. i've say, it's heroes. i've got to say, it's et— heroes. i've got to say, it's one of-favourite- i've got to say, it's one of favourite charities. one of my favourite charities. tt-s— one of my favourite charities. tt-s-teettmg— one of my favourite charities. it's-leading-for. it's the leading charity for ermet—

it's the leading charity for ermet-tm- it's the leading charity for armed-in the- it's the leading charity for armed in the uk, but with armed forces in the uk, but with the-et— armed forces in the uk, but with the-er thtmg— the cost of living crisis, emgetmg— the cost of living crisis,i ongoing-battles the cost of living crisis,- ongoing-battles , more ongoing personal battles, more emt— ongoing personal battles, more emt-weterems— ongoing personal battles, more and-veterans are- ongoing personal battles, more and veterans are suffering and more veterans are suffering emt—wett. and they need more help. well, het-s— and they need more help. well, tet-s-the— and they need more help. well, let's-the current- let's discuss the current situation. _ let's discuss the current situation. i head - let's discuss the current situation. 3 let's discuss the current- situation. .head of clinical situation. as head of clinical and services for help situation. as head of clinical ancheroes, services for help situation. as head of clinical ancheroes, caroliices for help situation. as head of clinical ancheroes, carol bettridgeelp situation. as head of clinical ancheroes, carol bettridge erg for heroes, carol bettridge erg obe. good morning, carol. thank you for inviting me. _ obe. good morning, carol. thank you for inviting me. you're vervr— you for inviting me. you're werw. wew— you for inviting me. you're very, very welcome . what is the very, very welcome. what is the situation for veterans in this country now? are they being very well looked after? i think they reetw— well looked after? i think they reettw treppet— well looked after? i think they really dropped off— well looked after? i think they really dropped off the- 3 ”7 i think they really dropped off the highlight reetw— really dropped off the highlight reettw treppet— really dropped off the highlight really dropped off the highlight really dropped off the headlines. _ really dropped off the headlines. but they're still ttghttmg— headlines. but they're still fighting personal battles. thew-re— fighting personal battles. they're fighting a war. you thew.— they're fighting a war. you knew tets— they're fighting a war. you know, lots of— they're fighting a war. you know, lots of them have had pswehetegteet— know, lots of them have had psychological and physical tmturtes— psychological and physical injuries, pain— psychological and physical injuries, pain and discomfort, sleeplessness_ injuries, pain and discomfort, steeptessmess .— injuries, pain and discomfort, sleeplessness , and they've sleeplessness, and they've heeeme— sleeplessness, and they've become isolated and lonely. and them— become isolated and lonely. and them tt— become isolated and lonely. and them tt weu— become isolated and lonely. and them tr weu put— become isolated and lonely. and then if you put the— become isolated and lonely. and then if you put the cost of thtmg— then if you put the cost of ttwmg em— then if you put the cost of ttwtmg em tep— then if you put the cost of living on top of- then if you put the cost of living on top of that, it really eempeumts— living on top of that, it really compounds their— living on top of that, it really compounds their suffering. ' 3 compounds their suffering. and of t— compounds their suffering. and of course, i think— compounds their suffering. and of course, i think for— compounds their suffering. and of course, i think for some of these and women, we these men and women, we shouldn't a lot of shouldn't forget a lot of service when they come service women when they come out of like of the military, which is like a big so it's a self help big family. so it's a self help protection organisation then protection organisation and then they're and they they're on their own and they may to that they've got may add to that they've got post—traumatic stress, may post—traumatic stress, they may have life is tough. have lost a limb life is tough.

it's really tough and that's whet— it's really tough and that's whet-mtss. — it's really tough and that's what miss. they miss that what they miss. they miss that eemeteseu-w- what they miss. they miss thati comrades-you-we comrades, which, you know, we prewte— comrades, which, you know, we prewte ett— comrades, which, you know, we prewte ett es— comrades, which, you know, we provide aid as well as helping them — provide aid as well as helping them wtth— provide aid as well as helping them with counselling for their memet— them with counselling for their mental illnesses— them with counselling for their mental illnesses and also their phwsteet— mental illnesses and also their physical illnesses— mental illnesses and also their physical illnesses , helping them physical illnesses, helping them find physical illnesses, helping them ttmt the— physical illnesses, helping them ttmt the rtght— physical illnesses, helping them find the right care— physical illnesses, helping them find the right care and the rtght— find the right care and the right summ— find the right care and the right support because we want ewerwhetw— right support because we want everybody arnie— right support because we want everybody arnie in the armed tees— everybody arnie in the armed tees te— everybody arnie in the armed forces to community live well when— forces to community live well when-teete— forces to community live well whem-teewe. - forces to community live well when-leave . well,- forces to community live well when leave . it�*titicc forces to community live well. when-leave . well, i think when they leave. well, i think it's just so bad to say you've formed, thousand it's just so bad to say you've forn seven. thousand it's just so bad to say you've fornseven.that's thousand it's just so bad to say you've fornseven. that's right)usand it's just so bad to say you've fornseven. that's right .isand it's just so bad to say you've fornseven. that's right . andi and seven. that's right. and there great blaze of there was a great blaze of pubuchy there was a great blaze of publicity when you were launched. but it hard now to launched. but is it hard now to get heard ? yes, it is, get yourself heard? yes, it is, because obviously— get yourself heard? yes, it is, because obviously the - gi. 37 yes, it is, because obviously the cost of thtmg— because obviously the cost of ttwmg ertsts— because obviously the cost of living crisis and— because obviously the cost of living crisis and all the other thtmgs— living crisis and all the other thtmgs thet— living crisis and all the other things that are— living crisis and all the other things that are going on in the wett— things that are going on in the wertt-t— things that are going on in the wertt-t-the- world really, i think the- veterans—forgotten world really, i think the- veterans_forgotten and veterans have been forgotten and ther— veterans have been forgotten and their families, _ veterans have been forgotten and their families, of— veterans have been forgotten and their families, of course, which is their families, of course, which ts-tmpertemt. - their families, of course, which is-important. _alll is really important. i was all i getmg— is really important. i was all i was going to say is on a day like today when we're seeing british rescued british citizens being rescued from sudan, it's a reminder of what important job our forces what an important job our forces do around the world, even when we're not in actual combat war at any particular given time. they're still working hard behind the scenes. absolutely you know, i think the armed tees— you know, i think the armed forces are as— you know, i think the armed forces are as busy they've forces are as busy as they've

ever-the- forces are as busy as they've ever-the things. forces are as busy as they've. ever-the things that ever been with the things that are ever been with the things that getmg— ever been with the things that getmg em— ever been with the things that are going on. and we see that meertw— are going on. and we see that meertw heur— are going on. and we see that nearly four personnel day nearly four personnel a day teete— nearly four personnel a day teewe the— nearly four personnel a day leave the armed forces because of leave the armed forces because et metteet— leave the armed forces because of medical discharge, because of tmturw— of medical discharge, because of tmturw er— of medical discharge, because of injury or illness. _ of medical discharge, because of injury or illness. so— of medical discharge, because of injury or illness. so we have to suppert— injury or illness. so we have to suppert them— injury or illness. so we have to suppert them es— injury or illness. so we have to support them as well. and we've seen an increase— support them as well. and we've seen an increase in— support them as well. and we've seen an increase in requests for suppert— seen an increase in requests for our support across— seen an increase in requests for our support across the years . our support across the years. at the— our support across the years. at the semt— our support across the years. at the same time,— our support across the years. at the same time, why- our support across the years. at the same time, why you're here, carol, is because the money isn't coming in the way it used to . that's right. i mean, used to. that's right. i mean, shee— used to. that's right. i mean, zom— used to. that's right. i mean, since 2014, our— 3 that's right. i mean, since 2014, our income has treppet— since 2014, our income has treppet tw— since 2014, our income has dropped by 50— since 2014, our income has dropped by 50. and yet the request— dropped by 50. and yet the request ter— dropped by 50. and yet the request for support has increased— request for support has increased .— request for support has increased . and so we really need increased. and so we really need the gemeret— increased. and so we really need the general public— increased. and so we really need the general public to understand that the general public to understand thet the— the general public to understand that the veterans— the general public to understand that the veterans and their temtttes— that the veterans and their families are— that the veterans and their families are still fighting that amt— families are still fighting that amt we— families are still fighting that war. and we want to continue to tether— war. and we want to continue to tether thet— war. and we want to continue to deliver that promise to support them — deliver that promise to support them ter— deliver that promise to support them ter the— deliver that promise to support them for the rest— deliver that promise to support them for the rest of their ttwes. — them for the rest of their lives. i guess - them for the rest of their lives. 3 them for the rest of their- lives. .guess people would say, lives. i guess people would say, well, the public's job well, it's not the public's job to people who've been to look after people who've been serving it's the serving us. it's the government's job. serving us. it's the government'sjob. if serving us. it's the government's job. if there's any way be spending way they should be spending their taxpayers their hard earned taxpayers money, it should be on looking after our armed forces. what would you say to that? i mean, that's part of our— would you say to that? i mean, that's part of our work.- 3 c�*ritc7 i mean, that's part of our work. so we tettw— that's part of our work. so we tehhw the— that's part of our work. so we lobby the government. we have pettetes— lobby the government. we have pettetes thet— lobby the government. we have policies that we— lobby the government. we have

policies that we put to them to est— policies that we put to them to est them— policies that we put to them to est them ter— policies that we put to them to ask them for support , for ask them for support, for mehttttw— ask them for support, for mobility, for— ask them for support, for mobility, for hearing, ask them for support, for mobility, for hearing , for mobility, for hearing, for etepttmg— mobility, for hearing, for adapting houses. all the things thet— adapting houses. all the things thet the— adapting houses. all the things that the veterans— adapting houses. all the things that the veterans need as well as that the veterans need as well es prewtttmg— that the veterans need as well as providing them themselves and stetuterw— as providing them themselves and statutory services— as providing them themselves and statutory services in— as providing them themselves and statutory services in the nhs . statutory services in the nhs. we statutory services in the nhs. we went— statutory services in the nhs. we went te— statutory services in the nhs. we want to augment that. we tem-t— we want to augment that. we tem-t wept— we want to augment that. we tem-t wemt te— we want to augment that. we don't want to take that over. so we hete— don't want to take that over. so we hewe te — don't want to take that over. so we have to continue to raise the prettte— we have to continue to raise the prettte et— we have to continue to raise the profile of veterans. c profile of veterans. it's so set. — profile of veterans. it's so set. or— profile of veterans. it's so set. or e— profile of veterans. it's so sad. on a train— profile of veterans. it's so sad. on a train ,- profile of veterans. it's so sad. on a train , a few two weeks sad. on a train, a few two weeks running i was on a train and two weeks running a chap was walking through the train. he was clearly in difficulty and he told us he was a former soldier . he'd served in afghanistan. i've no money. i have a i've got no money. i have a problem with drink and substance abuse. can somebody? and people gave lot of money because gave him a lot of money because it was the moment he said that he been in military . it he had been in the military. it was extraordinary, he had been in the military. it was ewas)rdinary, he had been in the military. it was ewas quite ry, he had been in the military. it was ewas quite moving. actually. it was quite moving. so that's why we've done so i think that's why we've done thts— so i think that's why we've done thts-peepte— so i think that's why we've done this-people that- this to remind people that veterans that— this to remind people that veterans that were injured in atghemtstem— veterans that were injured in afghanistan, iraq and conflicts way— afghanistan, iraq and conflicts wew tetere— afghanistan, iraq and conflicts way before that,— afghanistan, iraq and conflicts way before that, northern retent— way before that, northern tretemt. weu— way before that, northern ireland, you know, if they were tmturet— ireland, you know, if they were tmturet er— ireland, you know, if they were tmturet er tt— ireland, you know, if they were injured or ill or— ireland, you know, if they were injured or ill or suffered psychologically , they're still psychologically, they're still suttertmg— psychologically, they're still suffering today. so we need to remember them. _ suffering today. so we need to remember them. we need to remind

peepte— remember them. we need to remind peepte thet— remember them. we need to remind peepte thet thew-re — remember them. we need to remind people that they're still need thet— people that they're still need thet suppert.— people that they're still need that support. often think that support. we often think teeptw— that support. we often think teeptw eteut— that support. we often think deeply about veterans. �*ftt�*ti; deeply about veterans. we think ermtsttee— deeply about veterans. we think armistice think the old armistice day. we think the old boys ladies at the boys and old older ladies at the cenotaph. but actually there's thousands of soldiers and service men and women who suffered all sorts of injuries in afghanistan, iraq. i mean , in afghanistan, iraq. i mean, we've supported over 28,000. but there's more out there. there-s— but there's more out there. there-s memw— but there's more out there. there's many more out there . and there's many more out there. and the ether— there's many more out there. and the ether thtmg— there's many more out there. and the other thing that— there's many more out there. and the other thing that we want to do the other thing that we want to te-eempetgm- the other thing that we want to do campaign remind do with this campaign is remind peepte— do with this campaign is remind peepte-tt— do with this campaign is remind peepte-ht thew— do with this campaign is remind people-if they are - people that if they are suttertmg— people that if they are suttertmg .— people that if they are suffering , please come forward. suffering, please come forward. tteese— suffering, please come forward. tteese teet— suffering, please come forward. please look at— suffering, please come forward. please look at website . please look at our website. tteese— please look at our website. tteese rust— please look at our website. please just talk— please look at our website. please just talk somebody and please just talk to somebody and ask please just talk to somebody and est-suppert— please just talk to somebody and estlsuppert—wtttl ask for support because we will be ask for support because we will he there— ask for support because we will he there ter— ask for support because we will be there for you _ ask for support because we will be there for you with that suppert— be there for you with that suppert . — be there for you with that support . that's- be there for you with that support . git be there for you with that support . 3tit support. that's got to be the irony, isn't it? you've got the toughest people in the country and it's very difficult for and then it's very difficult for those kind of characters often to then admit their vulnerability . motty yeah, it's vulnerability. motty yeah, it's really hard. they're very independent— ”cant “with: they're very independent people. they don't ”cant “with: they're very indepto dent people. they don't ”cant “with: they're very indepto ask: people. they don't ”cant “with: they're very indepto ask forople. they don't ”cant “with: they're very indepto ask for help. they don't ”cant “with: they're very indepto ask for help. soy don't ”cant “with: they're very indepto ask for help. so and n't ”cant “with: they're very indepto ask for help. so and we want to ask for help. so and we hete— want to ask for help. so and we hewe peepte— want to ask for help. so and we have people that— want to ask for help. so and we have people that come 10 or 12 weers— have people that come 10 or 12 weers erter— have people that come 10 or 12 years after they— have people that come 10 or 12 years after they were were in a eemtttet— years after they were were in a conflict that _ years after they were were in a conflict that are _ years after they were were in a conflict that are now asking for herp— conflict that are now asking for hetp heeuse— conflict that are now asking for help because they're still suttertmg— help because they're still suffering, but— help because they're still suffering, but they're only just got suffering, but they're only just

get the— suffering, but they're only just got the courage _ suffering, but they're only just got the courage to ask. so we must— got the courage to ask. so we must continue— got the courage to ask. so we must continue to— got the courage to ask. so we must continue to do that. otter. — must continue to do that. otter. et— must continue to do that. often, of course,- must continue to do that. often, of course, these- must continue to do that. often, of course, these mental problems suffer cause problems they suffer can cause family breakdown. exactly exactly. i mean, it's an ongoing thtmg— exactly. i mean, it's an ongoing thtmg. tt-s— exactly. i mean, it's an ongoing thtmg. tt-s thet.— exactly. i mean, it's an ongoing thing. it's that, you know, thew-tt— thing. it's that, you know, thew-tt he— thing. it's that, you know, they'll be taking perhaps medication— they'll be taking perhaps medication .— they'll be taking perhaps medication . they then fall out medication. they then fall out wtth— medication. they then fall out wtth thet— medication. they then fall out with their family. _ medication. they then fall out with their family. and because of with their family. and because et thet.— with their family. and because et thet. thew— with their family. and because of that, they might lose a job emt— of that, they might lose a job emt-thew-re— of that, they might lose a job emt-thew-re tm- of that, they might lose a job and they're in debt and then they're in debt and heeeme— and then they're in debt and become homeless . so it's an become homeless. so it's an emgetmg— become homeless. so it's an emgetmg rssue— become homeless. so it's an ongoing issue for— become homeless. so it's an ongoing issue for them. every stmgte— ongoing issue for them. every stmgte tew— ongoing issue for them. every single day carol.— ongoing issue for them. every single day carol. continued hettte— single day carol. continued tettte .— single day carol. continued battle , how— single day carol. continued battle , how bad is it right now battle, how bad is it right now for battle, how bad is it right now ter hetp— battle, how bad is it right now ter hetp ter— battle, how bad is it right now for help for heroes as a eherttwe — for help for heroes as a charity? is— for help for heroes as a charity? is it- for help for heroes as a charity? c :titt3 for help for heroes as a charity? c zitt3 for help for heroes as a charity? c 3tit: charity? is it as bad as it's ever been? yes, i think it is, heeuse— ever been? yes, i think it is, heeuse es t— ever been? yes, i think it is, because as i said,- 7 yes, i think it is, because as i said, you know, the hes— because as i said, you know, the income has dropped because peepte— income has dropped because peepte-seetmg- income has dropped because people seeing gladly , people are not seeing gladly, not people are not seeing gladly, met seetmg— people are not seeing gladly, not seeing casualties coming teet— not seeing casualties coming teet trem — not seeing casualties coming teet trem e— not seeing casualties coming back from a war— not seeing casualties coming back from a war zone. so, you thew.— back from a war zone. so, you knew wetees— back from a war zone. so, you know, veterans and their temtttes— know, veterans and their families are— know, veterans and their families are not in their mind's ewe. — families are not in their mind's ewe. there-s— families are not in their mind's ewe. there-s se— families are not in their mind's eye. there's so much else going on. eye. there's so much else going se— eye. there's so much else going se we— eye. there's so much else going se we meet— eye. there's so much else going on. so we need to— eye. there's so much else going on. so we need to continue to rust— on. so we need to continue to tust remtmt— on. so we need to continue to just remind them— on. so we need to continue to just remind them through these eempetgms— just remind them through these eempetgms thet— just remind them through these campaigns that please help to us suppert. — campaigns that please help to us suppert. t— campaigns that please help to us suppert. t thew— campaigns that please help to us support. i know it's— campaigns that please help to us support. i know it's really ttttteutt— support. i know it's really difficult for— support. i know it's really difficult for everybody, but pteese — difficult for everybody, but pteese-us— difficult for everybody, but please us because without please help us because without weur— please help us because without weur suppert.— please help us because without your support, can't help your support, we can't help these— your support, we can't help these-hew- your support, we can't helpi those-how-you your support, we can't help- those-how-you get those veterans. how did you get thte— those veterans. how did you get thte thts— those veterans. how did you get into this camp? 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background? so i was in the navy as a nursing officer for 26 years. really and years. well, you really and i the— years. well, you really and i the ete— years. well, you really and i was the ceo of— years. well, you really and i was the ceo of the- well, you really and i was the ceo of the hospital in hesttem— was the ceo of the hospital in hesttem tm— was the ceo of the hospital in bastion in afghanistan . right? bastion in afghanistan. right? so bastion in afghanistan. right? se t— bastion in afghanistan. right? se t treetet— bastion in afghanistan. right? so i treated a— bastion in afghanistan. right? so i treated a lot— bastion in afghanistan. right? so i treated a lot of the casualties— so i treated a lot of the casualties that came through . casualties that came through. heu— casualties that came through. weu must— casualties that came through. you must have— casualties that came through. you must have seen some tesperete— you must have seen some desperate things. yeah i just wemtet— desperate things. yeah i just wanted-make— desperate things. yeah i just wanted make sure when wanted to make sure that when these—ermetl those people left the armed terees— those people left the armed forces,-still_ those people left the armed forces,-still got- those people left the armed forces, still got some forces, they still got some suppert. — forces, they still got some suppert. tt-s— forces, they still got some support. it's unfinished hushess— support. it's unfinished business for— support. it's unfinished business for me. yeah. ' 3 business for me. yeah. and of course-teth— business for me. yeah. and of course, talk about the number course, we talk about the number of people who died in afghanistan, but the number of young men and women who came back with life changing injuries . and it is life changing . and that's it is life changing emt— . and that's it is life changing emt-ttte— . and that's it is life changing and-life changing- and that's it is life changing and life changing for and that's life changing for forever. yeah— and that's life changing for forever. yeah you they forever. yeah you know, they tem-t— forever. yeah you know, they tent—se- forever. yeah you know, they tem-t—se we- forever. yeah you know, they| don't—so we need forever. yeah you know, they. don't—so we need to don't get better. so we need to just— don't get better. so we need to just help— don't get better. so we need to just help them— don't get better. so we need to just help them as— don't get better. so we need to just help them as best we can to just help them as best we canto uve— just help them as best we canto uve weu— just help them as best we can to live weu by— just help them as best we can to live well by counselling, by hetp— live well by counselling, by hetp wm.— live well by counselling, by help with their— live well by counselling, by help with their physical injuries,— help with their physical injuries, by— help with their physical injuries, by helping them to re—engage— injuries, by helping them to re—engage with— injuries, by helping them to re—engage with their community so they-rs— re—engage with their community so they-rs nos— re—engage with their community so they're not so— re—engage with their community so they're not so isolated . and so they're not so isolated. and that— so they're not so isolated. and that means— so they're not so isolated. and that means that— so they're not so isolated. and that means that then they can, as .— that means that then they can, as . sat,— that means that then they can, as . sat, ute— that means that then they can, as i say, live life— that means that then they can, as i say, live life to the full. wets— as i say, live life to the full. we got— as i say, live life to the full. we got t— as i say, live life to the full. we've got a veterans- as i say, live life to the full. we've got a veterans minister now, of course, johnny. yes. johnny mercer. johnny mercer has that difference? yes, that made a difference? yes, i think he's helping us highlight the that us military he the issues that us military he is. yeah. the issues that us military he is. yeah . so he will us is. yeah. so he will help us ttghttgtt— is. yeah. so he will help us highlight those— yeah. so he will help us highlight those issues. and

topsttttt— highlight those issues. and hopefully, we've talked about hopefully, as we've talked about the potty— hopefully, as we've talked about the pottsy ot— hopefully, as we've talked about the policy of making things more tvtttttts— the policy of making things more tttttttts ,— the policy of making things more available, like— the policy of making things more available , like the— the policy of making things more available , like the mobility available, like the mobility tutt— available, like the mobility tttt tor— available, like the mobility fund for veterans and that needs to 90— fund for veterans and that needs to 90 tn— fund for veterans and that needs to 90 tn the— fund for veterans and that needs to go in the right— fund for veterans and that needs to go in the right places are you— to go in the right places are you ate— to go in the right places are you you— to go in the right places are you you guys— to go in the right places are you are you guys struggling as a lot you are you guys struggling as a tot ot— you are you guys struggling as a lot of charities— you are you guys struggling as a lot of charities are— you are you guys struggling as a lot of charities are with the toot— lot of charities are with the toot-tootto — lot of charities are with the fact people have lot of charities are with the- fact - people - have cash fact that people don't have cash ouymotoo — fact that people don't have cash anymore? _you're- fact that people don't have cash anymore? _you're outl anymore? so when you're out with anymore? so when you're out with a do. yeah, you a bucket. i do. well, yeah, you to. — a bucket. i do. well, yeah, you to. .you— a bucket. i do. well, yeah, you do. you chequebook you take do. and you chequebook you take a look, is a cheque, chequebook look, is that at events when that sometimes at events when you have charity workers you would have charity workers with bucket? no, but i've not with a bucket? no, but i've not got any money. i imagine direct debhs got any money. i imagine direct debits things that you debits are the things that you guys on. most have got card guys rely on. most have got card mosttuos— guys rely on. most have got card machines—you? - guys rely on. most have got card machines—you? oh,i machines now. have you? oh, 9°°d-_ machines now. have you? oh, toot-_got- machines now. have you? oh, toot-_got smotti machines now. have you? oh,l good._got smart on good. yeah, we've got smart on tutt— good. yeah, we've got smart on that. so— good. yeah, we've got smart on that. so we— good. yeah, we've got smart on that. so we make— 3: yeah, we've got smart on that. so we make sure that oootto— that. so we make sure that ooooto-to- that. so we make sure that ooooto-to give- that. so we make sure that- people _to give however people are able to give however they— they can. yeah but it's ootuotty— they can. yeah but it's. actually,_the actually, it's not just the money— actually, it's not just the mouy tt-s— actually, it's not just the money, it's also volunteering. so money, it's also volunteering. so helping— money, it's also volunteering. so helping us— money, it's also volunteering. so helping us in— money, it's also volunteering. so helping us in the community. what— so helping us in the community. that out— so helping us in the community. that out ot— so helping us in the community. what sort of things— so helping us in the community. what sort of things you- so helping us in the community. what sort of things you want people to do volunteers people to do as volunteers so things tesco things like we've got a tesco collection on the 28th of june, so , so you know, we want to make so, so you know, we want to make sure that people volunteer for that and come out and support veterans community. veterans in their community. and actually, it's not the 2sth. and actually, it's not the 28th. it's and actually, it's not the 28th. tt-s tho— and actually, it's not the 28th. tt-s tto tott— and actually, it's not the 28th. it's the 18th, yeah. so it's the 18th, right? yeah. so votuutoot— it's the 18th, right? yeah. so volunteer for— it's the 18th, right? yeah. so volunteer for there's we're sotttug— volunteer for there's we're sotttug up— volunteer for there's we're setting up things like coffee

motutues— setting up things like coffee motttugs ot— setting up things like coffee mornings at and other events utters— mornings at and other events utoto you— mornings at and other events where you out— mornings at and other events where you can come along and just— where you can come along and just totuutoot— where you can come along and just volunteer chat to a veteran vou— just volunteer chat to a veteran you know— just volunteer chat to a veteran you know got— just volunteer chat to a veteran you know got to— just volunteer chat to a veteran you know get to know them and encourage them _ you know get to know them and encourage them to— you know get to know them and encourage them to be part of the oommuutty. — encourage them to be part of the sommuutty. so— encourage them to be part of the community. so look— encourage them to be part of the community. ” community. so look at your website, for heroes website website, help for heroes website where information and where all the information and what website. just what is the website. just remind us—tott— what is the website. just remind us—toto tot- what is the website. just remind. us_help for heroes.org us w—w—w dot help for heroes.org .ut. — us w—w—w dot help for heroes.org .ut. ttght— us w—w—w dot help for heroes.org .ut. ttutt .— us w—w—w dot help for heroes.org .ut. right . anu— us w—w—w dot help for heroes.org .uk. right . and there's- us w—w—w dot help for heroes.org .uk. right. and there's also a new address for the veterans war. you can find it on there. brilliant. but both are asking for support from the general public, asking for support for veterans, but also more importantly, asking the veterans . you know, i just had . you know, ijust had a thought.— . you know, ijust had a thought..there- you know, i just had a thought. there are great thought. if there are great quest— thought. if there are great queen was still with us, she'd be queen was still with us, she'd too—wort- queen was still with us, she'd too—wort ot| queen was still with us, she'd. be _word of this be lapping up every word of this toouso-sot- be lapping up every word of this because,-she was- because, of course, she was a huge— because, of course, she was a tugs supporter— because, of course, she was a huge supporter military huge supporter of military stottttos— huge supporter of military charities, and huge supporter of military chathank and huge supporter of military chathank all and huge supporter of military chathank all of and huge supporter of military chathank all of our and huge supporter of military chathank all of our service and we thank all of our service people for after us and people for looking after us and keeping good at keeping us safe. they're good at that. we that. and carol beth mead, we thank for thank people like carol obe for looking after them, for doing this help for this job. that's help for totoos— this job. that's help for totoos so— this job. that's help for heroes. so-need. that's help for heroes. so need your heroes. so they need your suooott. — heroes. so they need your suooott. _youtl heroes. so they need your- support. _your money. support. they need your money. they— support. they need your money.| they _volunteer, support. they need your money.| they-please-volunteer, support. they need your money. they t::::t volunteer, support. they need your money. they t::::t sill'olunteer, support. they need your money. they t::::t '0ll�* right? please do. still to come, the diplomats the government rescued diplomats and in a daring and embassy staff in a daring mission sudan . but what is mission to sudan. but what is the plan everyone else ? the plan for everyone else? we'll your we'll find out after your morning's news with tamsen

roberts . morning's news with tamsen roberts. beth, morning's news with tamsen roberts . beth, thank you. good roberts. beth, thank you. good morning— roberts. beth, thank you. good motutue .— roberts. beth, thank you. good momtug . tots— roberts. beth, thank you. good morning . here are— t beth, thank you. good morning . here are the headlines morning. here are the headlines at too.— morning. here are the headlines at too. otouo— morning. here are the headlines at 1130. diane abbott has been suspended— at1130. diane abbott has been suspended os— at1130. diane abbott has been suspended as a— at 1130. diane abbott has been suspended as a labour mp pending an investigation— suspended as a labour mp pending an investigation motion after mottue— an investigation motion after mottng rootst— an investigation motion after making racist comments in an otttoto— making racist comments in an otttsto tot— making racist comments in an article for the— making racist comments in an article for the observer, the totmot— article for the observer, the former shadow— article for the observer, the former shadow health secretary sut— former shadow health secretary sott youtstu— former shadow health secretary said jewish, irish— former shadow health secretary said jewish, irish and traveller ooooto— said jewish, irish and traveller people stress— said jewish, irish and traveller people express prejudice but not . sto— people express prejudice but not racism . she has— people express prejudice but not racism . she has since withdrawn racism. she has since withdrawn the racism. she has since withdrawn tto tomotst— racism. she has since withdrawn the remarks and— racism. she has since withdrawn the remarks and apologised. totout— the remarks and apologised. totout tos— the remarks and apologised. labour has previously come under for labour has previously come under tot ttto— labour has previously come under for fire anti—semitic remarks moto— for fire anti—semitic remarks moto ty— for fire anti—semitic remarks made by former— for fire anti—semitic remarks made by former party leader jeremy— made by former party leader jeremy cottyu— made by former party leader jeremy corbyn in. asylum seekers are jeremy corbyn in. asylum seekers otottougtue— jeremy corbyn in. asylum seekers are challenging the illegal mtgtottou— are challenging the illegal migration bill— are challenging the illegal migration bill in the court of aoooot— migration bill in the court of appeal totoy. — migration bill in the court of appeal today. last year, two tuteos— appeal today. last year, two judges dismissed a series of toeot— judges dismissed a series of togot ttts— judges dismissed a series of legal bids against the government's plans to send osytum— government's plans to send asylum seekers— government's plans to send asylum seekers to rwanda. home sootototy— asylum seekers to rwanda. home secretary suella— asylum seekers to rwanda. home secretary suella braverman says she secretary suella braverman says sto toots— secretary suella braverman says sto uoots tho— secretary suella braverman says she needs the crucial power to stop— she needs the crucial power to stop tutoooou— she needs the crucial power to stop european judges from tutotvoutug— stop european judges from intervening in— stop european judges from intervening in the deportation of intervening in the deportation ot ooooto— intervening in the deportation ot people uto— intervening in the deportation of people who arrive in the uk

via unauthorised— of people who arrive in the uk via unauthorised routes . the via unauthorised routes. the tooth— via unauthorised routes. the foreign office— via unauthorised routes. the foreign office says the government - foreign office says the government is doing everything it government is doing everything tt ott— government is doing everything tt to— government is doing everything tt to got— government is doing everything it can to get british nationals out— it can to get british nationals out ot— it can to get british nationals out ot sutou— it can to get british nationals out of sudan and— it can to get british nationals out of sudan and to safety . it's out of sudan and to safety. it's otttstue— out of sudan and to safety. it's advising those— out of sudan and to safety. it's advising those trapped to stay tntoots— advising those trapped to stay tutoots out— advising those trapped to stay indoors and wait— advising those trapped to stay indoors and wait for further information— indoors and wait for further information amid a violent ooutttot— information amid a violent conflict between the sudanese army— conflict between the sudanese otmy out— conflict between the sudanese otmy out o— conflict between the sudanese army and a powerful paramilitary group,— army and a powerful paramilitary group, mtutstots— army and a powerful paramilitary group, ministers held emergency totts— group, ministers held emergency totts tast— group, ministers held emergency talks last night— group, ministers held emergency talks last night ,— group, ministers held emergency talks last night, hours after to— talks last night, hours after to tototeu— talks last night, hours after the foreign secretary was ouosttouot— the foreign secretary was questioned as— the foreign secretary was questioned as to why british ttotomots— questioned as to why british diplomats were— questioned as to why british diplomats were being prioritised suton— diplomats were being prioritised over sudan based— diplomats were being prioritised over sudan based uk citizens tottoutue— over sudan based uk citizens tottoutue ou— over sudan based uk citizens following an evacuation mission . ttttutos— following an evacuation mission . tributes have— following an evacuation mission . tributes have been pouring for in . tributes have been pouring for to totmot— . tributes have been pouring for in former strictly— . tributes have been pouring for in former strictly come dancing judge— in former strictly come dancing judge tou— in former strictly come dancing judge len goodman, who has died . stttotty— judge len goodman, who has died . stttotty judge— judge len goodman, who has died . strictly judge bruno tonioli sut— . strictly judge bruno tonioli sott to— . strictly judge bruno tonioli said he will— . strictly judge bruno tonioli said he will treasure the memories of— said he will treasure the memories of the hundreds of shows— memories of the hundreds of shows to— memories of the hundreds of shows he took— memories of the hundreds of shows he took part in while crut— shows he took part in while craig tovot— shows he took part in while craig revel horwood called him a gotgoous— craig revel horwood called him a gotgoous tttout— craig revel horwood called him a gorgeous friend .— craig revel horwood called him a gorgeous friend . he was a judge gorgeous friend. he was a judge on tho— gorgeous friend. he was a judge on to show— gorgeous friend. he was a judge on the show from _ gorgeous friend. he was a judge on the show from 2004 to 2016 . on the show from 2004 to 2016. tv on the show from 2004 to 2016.

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on gb news. the people's channel britain . good morning .- on gb news. the people's channel britain . e: g britain. good morning. it's 1136. sarah vine and andrew pierce. stop chatting. you to your colleagues. you see, we're not just colleagues on the mare, but we're also friends. sarah vine is here and— but we're also friends. sarah vine is here and also- : sarah vine is here and also bushra stottt— vine is here and also bushra stottt ts— vine is here and also bushra sheikh is with— vine is here and also bushra sheikh is with us this morning. we woo— sheikh is with us this morning. we being— sheikh is with us this morning. we were being much— sheikh is with us this morning. we were being much better behaved on this side of the of the table , right. what are we the table, right. what are we going to talk about? should we talk goodman ? i'm so talk about len goodman? i'm so sad. i know we were just- “cl“ c: “3“7 i'm so sad. i know we were just saying i sad. i know we were just saying t—uos- sad. i know we were just saying t—uos ttt. - sad. i know we were just saying t—uos ttt. hel i didn't realise he was ill. he too— i didn't realise he was ill. he tot-otuoot— i didn't realise he was ill. he had cancer, apparently. i didn't realise he was ill. he had i cancer, apparently. i didn't realise he was ill. he had i didn't:er, apparently. i didn't realise he was ill. he had i didn't knowiparently. i didn't realise he was ill. he had i didn't know that. so yeah. i didn't know that. so lisa was comfortable . / t: t: “ e so lisa was comfortable . he was yeah. i didn't know that. so- lisa was comfortable . he was one lisa was comfortable. he was one of lisa was comfortable. he was one ot tho— lisa was comfortable. he was one ot to to— lisa was comfortable. he was one ot to to wos— lisa was comfortable. he was one ot to to o— lisa was comfortable. he was one of the he was a great part of stony,— of the he was a great part of strictly, wasn't _ of the he was a great part of strictly, wasn't he? seven. txootty. — strictly, wasn't he? seven. toootty. ato— strictly, wasn't he? seven. exactly. are you- strictly, wasn't he? seven. exactly. are you a strictly fan? i exactly. are you a strictly fan? t tut.— exactly. are you a strictly fan? t totuttty— exactly. are you a strictly fan? i am, actually. i— exactly. are you a strictly fan? i am, actually. i like— exactly. are you a strictly fan? i am, actually. i like strictly. and then when he left, i sort of stottot— and then when he left, i sort of stoooot liking— and then when he left, i sort of stopped liking it— and then when he left, i sort of stopped liking it because he was just so— stopped liking it because he was just so-uo— stopped liking it because he was just so-uo wos— stopped liking it because he was just so-he was the- stopped liking it because he was just so-he was the end. stopped liking it because he was just so ti ti : just so busy. he was the end of that first generation. yeah and for me, that played really- �*" t3ti tit“ “43?" and for me, that played really well utttt — for me, that played really well utttt tto — for me, that played really well with the whole— for me, that played really well with the whole premise of stony,— with the whole premise of strictly, which _ with the whole premise of strictly, which is ballroom ottoma— strictly, which is ballroom dancing, which— strictly, which is ballroom dancing, which is something outto— dancing, which is something outto totmot— dancing, which is something quite formal and old fashioned. ant— quite formal and old fashioned. ant t— quite formal and old fashioned. ant t uto— quite formal and old fashioned. and i like that— quite formal and old fashioned. and i like that about him. jtit and i like that about him. do you— and i like that about him. do you-they— and i like that about him. do you-they got— and i like that about him. do you-they got to- and i like that about him. do you-they got rid of- and i like that about him. do you-they got rid of himi you think they got rid of him because they thought he was too old? i don't know. maybe he toottot— old? i don't know. maybe he decided-enough.- decided he'd had enough. no, i tot-t— decided he'd had enough. no, i

tout—tutti don't think he did decide that, did don't think he did decide that, ttt-tou-t— don't think he did decide that, did-don't know. . don't think he did decide that, did-don't know. i. don't think he did decide that,| did-don't know. i did did he not? i don't know. i did i did he not? i don't know. i did t-tttt— did he not? i don't know. i did t-ttttlttm— did he not? i don't know. i did i talk him afterwards and i did talk to him afterwards and he said, oh, well, you know, i've done time. apparently, i've done my time. apparently, that didn't sound like he'd gone of i think he of his own accord. no i think he i he was the absolute i thought he was the absolute sort whole sort of pivot around the whole thing. the worst thing. you think was the worst contestant in strictly come dancing you can dancing ever? you are. you can say is say beverly turner is ex—husband, right? amy say beverly turner is ex—husband, right ? amy survived ex—husband, right? amy survived one week. i think the best one tt— one week. i think the best one to outs.— one week. i think the best one was ed balls. ed— i think the best one was ed balls. ed balls? yeah. he was ed balls. ed balls? yeah. uo to— was ed balls. ed balls? yeah. he was. he was— was ed balls. ed balls? yeah. he was. he was just- was ed balls. ed balls? yeah. ti he was just fabulous. he was. he was just fabulous. toot— he was. he was just fabulous. toot aut— ti he was just fabulous. yeah and completely transformed his yeah and completely transformed tts onttto— yeah and completely transformed his entire identity.— yeah and completely transformed his entire identity. it did. it tootty— his entire identity. it did. it tootty ott— his entire identity. it did. it tootty ttt .— his entire identity. it did. it really did . he— his entire identity. it did. it really did . he went from being really did. he went from being thts— really did. he went from being ttts tottot— really did. he went from being this rather sort— really did. he went from being this rather sort of.— really did. he went from being this rather sort of. kind of sott— this rather sort of. kind of sottlttoto— this rather sort of. kind of sottlttoto .— this rather sort of. kind of sort hole . crunchy, boring sort of hole. crunchy, boring totout— sort of hole. crunchy, boring labour politician— sort of hole. crunchy, boring labour politician political to be labour politician political to to thts— labour politician political to be this fantastic showbiz guy . i be this fantastic showbiz guy. i tt— be this fantastic showbiz guy. i tt wos— be this fantastic showbiz guy. i mean, it was hilarious. i went to soo— mean, it was hilarious. i went to my— mean, it was hilarious. i went to my good— mean, it was hilarious. i went to see my good friend ann widdecombe in it, and she didn't dance mean, she just dance at all. i mean, she just followed. she sort of followed. she just sort of sailed around the dance . sailed around the dance. stately as a galleon. yes oxootty. — stately as a galleon. yes ooootty. oo— stately as a galleon. yes exactly. do you- stately as a galleon. yes exactly. jtit stately as a galleon. yes- exactly. do you remember him? the former itn political editor 7 the former itn political editor ? yes, sergeant. dragging that poor woman across the floor. i went to see matt dawson. the rugby— went to see matt dawson. the rugby player— went to see matt dawson. the rugby player was— went to see matt dawson. the rugby player was a of mine rugby player was a mate of mine at i rugby player was a mate of mine ot—t wom- rugby player was a mate of mine ot—t wont to- rugby player was a mate of mine at_| went to watch| at the time. and i went to watch mott— at the time. and i went to watch mott-stutto.— at the time. and i went to watch

mott-stuttolt- at the time. and i went to watch matt-studio.-i have. matt in the studio. but i have to soy,— matt in the studio. but i have to soy, tm— matt in the studio. but i have to soy, t-m outto— matt in the studio. but i have to say, i'm quite glad i wasn't stttt— to say, i'm quite glad i wasn't stttt-to— to say, i'm quite glad i wasn't still-to james- to say, i'm quite glad i wasn't still to james cracknell still married to james cracknell ottom— still married to james cracknell whom-ott— still married to james cracknell tmomlttt tt— still married to james cracknell when did it because the curse when he did it because the curse of when he did it because the curse ot-ts— when he did it because the curse ot-ts som— when he did it because the curse ot-ts sott ot— when he did it because the curse of-is sort of renown,- of strictly is sort of renown, tsm-t— of strictly is sort of renown, tsm-t tt— of strictly is sort of renown, tsm-t tt 7 — of strictly is sort of renown, tsm-t tt 7 toy— of strictly is sort of renown, isn't it ? mg tix : isn't it? my ex—husband is desperate to do. oh, i bet he is. oh we've seen. we've seen endless videos of him dancing . endless videos of him dancing. michael gove. of course, if you wont— michael gove. of course, if you wont away— michael gove. of course, if you went away endlessly , sara, about went away endlessly, sara, about mott— went away endlessly, sara, about how booty— went away endlessly, sara, about how totty mo— went away endlessly, sara, about how badly he dances , would you how badly he dances, would you uto— how badly he dances, would you ttto mm — how badly he dances, would you ttto mm to— how badly he dances, would you like him to do— how badly he dances, would you like him to do it? _ how badly he dances, would you like him to do it? t: “ like him to do it? i'd love him to to— like him to do it? i'd love him to to to ono— like him to do it? i'd love him to do it. one of— like him to do it? i'd love him to do it. one of his- like him to do it? t: “ titit e one of his special to do it. one of his special otttsots— to do it. one of his special otvtsots ts— to do it. one of his special advisers is i— to do it. one of his special advisers is i won't- titit e one of his special advisers is i won't say his name , tut,— advisers is i won't say his name , out, you— advisers is i won't say his name , out, you mow,— advisers is i won't say his name , but, you know, he— advisers is i won't say his name , but, you know, he used to be a totttoom— , but, you know, he used to be a ballroom dancing— , but, you know, he used to be a ballroom dancing champion mmsott— ballroom dancing champion mmsott .— ballroom dancing champion himself . yeah.— ballroom dancing champion himself . yeah. so maybe they himself. yeah. so maybe they ooutt— himself. yeah. so maybe they ooutt got— himself. yeah. so maybe they ooutt got o— himself. yeah. so maybe they could get a little— himself. yeah. so maybe they could get a little bit of help too. — could get a little bit of help there. yeah,— could get a little bit of help there. yeah, but- could get a little bit of help there. “43?" it: f could get a little bit of help there. / f : there. yeah, but michael would have improve a because he have to improve a lot because he did thing is that did dance. but the thing is that michael and michael is that he listens and he's good at learning. if he's quite good at learning. if he's quite good at learning. if he was given instructions , he he was given instructions, he woutt— he was given instructions, he mutt-mom.- he was given instructions, he woutt-tmom. - he was given instructions, he would-them. he- he was given instructions, he would-them. he did would follow them. he and i did utmo— would follow them. he and i did dance at party of yours to dance at a party of yours to abba massacred abba together and he massacred dancing that was the dancing queen. that was the party where you fell in the fire. i in the well. fire. i did fall in the well. moutu— fire. i did fall in the well. moutu-go— fire. i did fall in the well. would - go and - fire. i did fall in the well. would go and him in would you go and watch him in the sara? michael the studio, sara? if michael gove would you go and gove was on it, would you go and watch he invited watch him? well, if he invited mo-mtgmt— watch him? well, if he invited mo-mtgttt mot- watch him? well, if he invited me,-might not invite. f “ 7 well, if he invited me, might not invite me. me, but he might not invite me. toot,— me, but he might not invite me. voom tut— me, but he might not invite me. voom tut mo-t— me, but he might not invite me. yeah, but he'd-his-

yeah, but he'd invite his omttttom— yeah, but he'd invite his children, they children, wouldn't he? yes, they uoutt—ttoutu- children, wouldn't he? yes, they would _would you. children, wouldn't he? yes, they- would _would you have would love to go. would you have liked to do he was liked him to do it if he was still married? i am fascinated liked him to do it if he was still nthis, d? i am fascinated liked him to do it if he was still nthis, d? i amwatched ed liked him to do it if he was still nthis, d? i amwatched my about this, having watched my ex—husband. would you watch? would the would you watch him in the studio? want him to studio? would you want him to do if were married, if you were still married, rubbing some the rubbing up against some lie? the young russian. yes, fine young russian. yes, that's fine .—tmot— young russian. yes, that's fine .—tmot som- young russian. yes, that's fine .—tmot sott ot- . i don't mind that sort of thtmg— . i don't mind that sort of tmmg-t— . i don't mind that sort of tmmg-t-uol . i don't mind that sort of tmmg-t-ut tmi thing at all. i grew up in ttoty— thing at all. i grew up in ttoty. tos— thing at all. i grew up in ttoty. vos — thing at all. i grew up in ttoty. vos t— thing at all. i grew up in italy. yes “ e thing at all. i grew up in- italy. yes i mean, it's dancing and you've got to have that sort of chemistry between your partner. have to. otherwise partner. you have to. otherwise you don't project. i think you just don't project. i think there you just don't project. i think. there—chemistry there was much sexual chemistry totttoom— there was much sexual chemistry between _trebek _ there was much sexual chemistry between trebek and ann between anton trebek and ann mtttooomto.— between anton trebek and ann widdecombe. actually, you do widdecombe. no actually, you do not totoot— widdecombe. no actually, you do not totoot my— widdecombe. no actually, you do not detect any whatsoever. maybe mot-s— not detect any whatsoever. maybe mot-s mo— not detect any whatsoever. maybe mot-s mo tumo— not detect any whatsoever. maybe that's the thing that was mtssmg. — that's the thing that was missing. you- that's the thing that was missing. /tit. t3tit that's the thing that was missing. /tit. git that's the thing that was- missing. you know , i got a bit missing. you know, i got a bit of an insight into strictly, though, because, you know how we always be though, because, you know how we alwtcelebrity be though, because, you know how we alwt celebrity that be though, because, you know how we alwt celebrity that falls be though, because, you know how we alwtcelebrity that falls love though, because, you know how we alwtcthe)rity that falls love though, because, you know how we alwtcthe dancerit falls love though, because, you know how we alwtcthe dancer that's love though, because, you know how we alwtcthe dancer that's lothose with the dancer that's how those relationships work. apparently . relationships work. apparently. it's relationships work. apparently. tt-s mot— relationships work. apparently. it's not somebody— relationships work. apparently. it's not somebody who- apparently. it's not somebody who knows the smou— it's not somebody who knows the sottttosmm—t - it's not somebody who knows the sottttosmm—t toy- show very well. it wasn't. my ox—mustomt— show very well. it wasn't. my ex—husband actually telling ex—husband actually was telling me ex—husband actually was tellingi mo—mooooms me that. generally what happens is me that. generally what happens ts—uttol is the dancers are the ones who souto— is the dancers are the ones who souto mo— is the dancers are the ones who seduce the celebrities. i think the seduce the celebrities. i think tto ptottom— seduce the celebrities. i think the problem with strictly currently this is my personal opinion, is that the contestants are too good at dancing. the joy of old strictly. when len was there was they were all

completely rubbish . and people completely rubbish. and people like ed balls and ann widdecombe, they never danced in their lives. and now you get these sort of people who've done their lives. and now you get tibite sort of people who've done their lives. and now you get tibit of, rt of people who've done their lives. and now you get tibit of, you people who've done their lives. and now you get tibit of, you know,e who've done their lives. and now you get tibit of, you know, showbiz done a bit of, you know, showbiz stuff so they can actually stuff and so they can actually dance. i to people who dance. i want to see people who really dance john really can't dance well, john sergeant , really bad. sergeant was really, really bad. really, really bad because then the really, really bad because then tho-ts— really, really bad because then tho-ts tust— really, really bad because then tho-ts tust so- really, really bad because then the is just so much the progress is just so much more satisfying. cj“ “ the progress is just so much more satisfying. tijj“ “ more satisfying. oh, sarah, what you're saying is you'd like to make out of people just for, make fun out of people just for, like, a tiny bit of comedy, be more entertaining, but also, i love that where love i love that process where they up and they're a bit they turn up and they're a bit sort podgy. and then by the sort of podgy. and then by the ttmo— sort of podgy. and then by the ttmo tmoy-to— sort of podgy. and then by the time they've finished- 33 and then by the time they've finished they look like time they've finished they look ttto-otymtto— time they've finished they look like olympic athletes. like sort of olympic athletes. vom- nou— like sort of olympic athletes. “43?" now colleague amanda yeah. now our colleague amanda bows.— yeah. now our colleague amanda bows—ot- batus, as you know, one of my gtoot— batus, as you know, one of my great—she'd. great friends, she says she'd uto— great friends, she says she'd too—t- great friends, she says she'd ttto—t toot- great friends, she says she'd. like—i keep saying like to go on and i keep saying smo— like to go on and i keep saying suo-tut— like to go on and i keep saying she-but please- like to go on and i keep saying she but please don't, like to go on and i keep saying she because .ease don't, like to go on and i keep saying she because iase don't, like to go on and i keep saying she because i loveion't, like to go on and i keep saying she because i love you , amanda, because i love you tootty— amanda, because i love you dearly-watching.- amanda, because i love you dearly watching. you can't dearly for watching. you can't tomo— dearly for watching. you can't ttmo-just— dearly for watching. you can'ti dance _just-dance. dance. you just can't dance. mot-s— dance. you just can't dance. mot-s mo— dance. you just can't dance. that's the point— dance. you just can't dance. that's the point . she- dance. you just can't dance. she has not that's the point. she has not two tott— that's the point. she has not two left feet. _ that's the point. she has not two left feet. she's- that's the point. she has not two left feet. she's got- she has not two left feet. she's got four. toouso— two left feet. she's got four. totuso t— two left feet. she's got four. because i love— two left feet. she's got four. because i love her. - two left feet. she's got four. f and but we because i love her. and but we motom-t— because i love her. and but we motom-t mot— because i love her. and but we haven't had sarah— because i love her. and but we haven't had sarah vine.- f and but we haven't had sarah vine. if she woutt— haven't had sarah vine. if she woutt 90— haven't had sarah vine. if she woutt go om— haven't had sarah vine. if she would go on strictly would you? no, would go on strictly would you? touts.— would go on strictly would you? no,-no,-because- would go on strictly would you? no, - no, - because i refusel no, no, no, no. because i refuse . no needs to see my in . no one needs to see my in sequins . . no one needs to see my in sequins. quite . no one needs to see my in sequins . quite honestly, it'd be sequins. quite honestly, it'd be great. would you? i don't know.

i great. would you? i don't know. t moon-t— great. would you? i don't know. t ttvom-t tottty— great. would you? i don't know. i haven't really thought about it. i mean, i'm a dancer. i'm a dancer. and so you'd be too toot.— dancer. and so you'd be too toot. mom— dancer. and so you'd be too good, then? i'd— 27 and so you'd be too good, then? i'd probably be too good.— good, then? i'd probably be too toot. sotom— good, then? i'd probably be too toot. sotom — good, then? i'd probably be too good, sarah. you probably wouldn't want to watch me back, wouldn't want to watch me back, would you know of all would you? do you know of all the would you? do you know of all tho-shows.— would you? do you know of all the-shows,.probably. would you? do you know of all th the-shows,.probably. : 7 do you know of all ththe one shows, probably : 7 do you know of all ththe one ithows, probably : yttiu.7 do you know of all ththe one i would probably : ytiu.7 do you know of all ththe one i would quitelably : ytiu.7 do you know of all ththe one i would quite fancy is the one i would quite fancy doing— is the one i would quite fancy tomg-tt-s— is the one i would quite fancy tomg-tt-s oo- is the one i would quite fancy doing-it's one of- is the one i would quite fancy doing it's one of those, doing because it's one of those, uoutttt-t— doing because it's one of those, wouttm-t tt— doing because it's one of those, wouttm-t tt to— doing because it's one of those, wouldn't it be amazing to be otto— wouldn't it be amazing to be otto to— wouldn't it be amazing to be able to dance— wouldn't it be amazing to be able to dance that well and to mt— able to dance that well and to mt to— able to dance that well and to mt to moto— able to dance that well and to and to have yourself judged up by to— and to have yourself judged up by tho toom — and to have yourself judged up by the team every— and to have yourself judged up by the team every week? yeah, i toot— by the team every week? yeah, i toot uto— by the team every week? yeah, i toot ttto o— by the team every week? yeah, i feel like a goddess.— by the team every week? yeah, i feel like a goddess. i mean, mot— feel like a goddess. i mean, that woutt— feel like a goddess. i mean, that would be— feel like a goddess. i mean, that would be you never you con-t— that would be you never you can't-anywhere- that would be you never you can't anywhere else in can't get that anywhere else in lifet— can't get that anywhere else in ttto-amt— can't get that anywhere else in life, and everybody life, can you? and everybody toos— life, can you? and everybody toos-tt-s— life, can you? and everybody does-it's really- life, can you? and everybody does- it's really fit- life, can you? and everybody does-it's really fit at. life, can you? and everybody does e ”tiuituy �*7 e does it. it's really fit at the end it. yeah. i love the end of it. yeah. i love the exercise. i'd love that. nobody's asked me , but i'd love nobody's asked me, but i'd love to it. you'd brilliant on to do it. you'd be brilliant on it, to do it. you'd be brilliant on tt—woutt- to do it. you'd be brilliant on tt—woutt toi it, andrew yes, you would be toty— it, andrew yes, you would be toty goot. — it, andrew yes, you would be toty goot. om.— it, andrew yes, you would be very good. oh, see- it, andrew yes, you would be very good. tijj“ it, andrew yes, you would be very good. d very good. oh, see how elegantly would be that? russell would be too. — would be that? russell would be too. tyoty— would be that? russell would be there. every record he'd be humiliated. but, you know , our humiliated. but, you know, our ttm— humiliated. but, you know, our .pp. tott— humiliated. but, you know, our ipp. len goodman— humiliated. but, you know, our ipp. len goodman you- l : but, you know, our ipp. len goodman you know , great ipp. len goodman you know, great sot— ipp. len goodman you know, great sot toss— ipp. len goodman you know, great man, sad loss and— ipp. len goodman you know, great man, sad loss and very , very big man, sad loss and very, very big ottotootot— man, sad loss and very, very big character. now— man, sad loss and very, very big character. now buzzer should we too— character. now buzzer should we toto o— character. now buzzer should we toto o moto— character. now buzzer should we take a more sit— character. now buzzer should we take a more sit alias tone the motto— take a more sit alias tone the rwanda scheme— take a more sit alias tone the rwanda scheme uk medical bodies are

rwanda scheme uk medical bodies atototy— rwanda scheme uk medical bodies are gravely concerned today about— are gravely concerned today about too — are gravely concerned today about the rwanda deportation ttsomo— about the rwanda deportation msomo .— about the rwanda deportation scheme . we've— about the rwanda deportation scheme . we've seen mark white scheme. we've seen mark white moto— scheme. we've seen mark white tmoto ot— scheme. we've seen mark white too at to— scheme. we've seen mark white there at the at— scheme. we've seen mark white there at the at the— scheme. we've seen mark white there at the at the courts of tusttoo. — there at the at the courts of justice. what's— there at the at the courts of justice. what's going on today? so justice. what's going on today? so tms— justice. what's going on today? so tms ts— justice. what's going on today? so this is actually— justice. what's going on today? so this is actually a letter mot— so this is actually a letter that was— so this is actually a letter that was written by about 850 mottoat— that was written by about 850 medical individuals who say they are medical individuals who say they atawoty— medical individuals who say they are gravely concerned about the montat— are gravely concerned about the mental health— are gravely concerned about the mental health and physical harm that ooutt— mental health and physical harm that could that— mental health and physical harm that could that could come to to— that could that could come to tho totuaoos— that could that could come to the refugees with— that could that could come to the refugees with this policy wmon— the refugees with this policy wmott tmoy— the refugees with this policy when they arrive in rwanda, when tmoy— when they arrive in rwanda, when tttoy artwo— when they arrive in rwanda, when tttoy tm— when they arrive in rwanda, when they arrive in rwanda. so that mat— they arrive in rwanda. so that means that we— they arrive in rwanda. so that means that we are and they will see a huge chunk of individuals that are seriously going to need some support on that side. why would it be worse in rwanda than it would it be worse in rwanda than tt woutt— would it be worse in rwanda than tt woutt to— would it be worse in rwanda than tt woutt to tm— would it be worse in rwanda than it would be in a— would it be worse in rwanda than it would be in ala— would it be worse in rwanda than it would be in a a military it would be in a in a military taso— it would be in a in a military taso motoo — it would be in a in a military base here? i— it would be in a in a military base here? i think- it would be in a in a military base here? i think what they what they're trying to say is base here? i think what they whatwhen re trying to say is base here? i think what they whatwhen you ying to say is base here? i think what they whatwhen you have:o say is base here? i think what they whatwhen you have individuals that when you have individuals coming whatever plight that coming from whatever plight that they're coming from, you know , they're coming from, you know, that's something that's obviously something that is again but then is questionable. again but then sending across to a brand sending them across to a brand new country again . so they've new country again. so they've now done two different sort of kind of expectations of where they where they think they're going be going to cause

going to be is going to cause them mental health them some medical mental health issues. they might be right . them some medical mental health issues. they might be right. but mom— issues. they might be right. but ton to— issues. they might be right. but then the solution— issues. they might be right. but then the solution is— they might be right. but then the solution is presumably to otowtto— then the solution is presumably to provide-support- then the solution is presumably to provide support required to provide the support required for to provide the support required to post— to provide the support required for post traumatic disorder, if mat-s— for post traumatic disorder, if was what— for post traumatic disorder, if that's what they're talking about— that's what they're talking about .— that's what they're talking about . ts— that's what they're talking about. is the— that's what they're talking about . is the risk. once in about. is the risk. once in rwanda— about. is the risk. once in rwanda . — about. is the risk. once in rwanda . yeah.- about. is the risk. once in rwanda . “415?" about. is the risk. once in rwanda. / about. is the risk. once in rwanda . “415?" rwanda. yeah. so but that's something that then again, that the prime minister will have to tackle make sure that that is tackle to make sure that that is available side because available on that side because is it is it germane to i mean, is it is it germane to i mean, is it is it germane to i mean, is it germane to rwanda ? i mean, is it germane to rwanda? i mean, would they would— is it germane to rwanda? i mean, would they would they— is it germane to rwanda? i mean, would they would they i- e g “37 i mean, would they would they i mean, tmoy-to— would they would they i mean, tttoy-to woty— would they would they i mean, they're very traumatic. �*7 they're very traumatic. if you wont— they're very traumatic. if you went-ascension _ they're very traumatic. if you went ascension island for went to ascension island for instance, have went to ascension island for instan(about, have went to ascension island for instan(about, what have went to ascension island for instan(about, what is have went to ascension island for instan(about, what is it have went to ascension island for instan(about, what is it aboutiave talked about, what is it about rwanda make rwanda that is likely to make them health issues? them have mental health issues? it's well, it's very nice country. well, toot.— it's very nice country. well, woo-thts— it's very nice country. well, look,-this is- it's very nice country. well, look, this is totally look, this is this is totally new moment. and know new at the moment. and we know that is the that the country is at the moment split with policy . moment split with this policy. we down the middle. we are split down the middle. we've people who we've got a bunch of people who think good idea think that this is a good idea and a bunch of who don't think that this is a good idea and ait's�*ich of who don't think that this is a good idea and ait's ah of who don't think that this is a good idea and ait's a good who don't think that this is a good idea and ait's a good idea. who don't think that this is a good idea and ait's a good idea. and» don't think that this is a good idea and ait's a good idea. and thisi't think it's a good idea. and this is very to everyone. is very new to everyone. we don't even know what that's going like just yet, you going to look like just yet, you know, starts know, until it starts to develop. and i do genuinely believe there are going to believe that there are going to believe that there are going to be a lot more concerns and things going to things that are going to materialise after this. i don't

think this is the end of think that this is the end of the i actually not the story. i actually do not even that a even think that this is a process that is going to work. i just think there's a there's a lot of people very who lot of people who are very who are fail. and are willing this to fail. and also , there's been-ofl also, there's been a lot of racism around— also, there's been a lot of racism around it, be honest. racism around it, to be honest. tmt— racism around it, to be honest. and you— racism around it, to be honest. amt you know.— racism around it, to be honest. and you know, all— racism around it, to be honest. and you know, all that stuff about— and you know, all that stuff about outtmg— and you know, all that stuff about putting the home secretary in about putting the home secretary to trom— about putting the home secretary to toast ot— about putting the home secretary to toast ot mo— about putting the home secretary in front of the gates of where tt— in front of the gates of where tt .— in front of the gates of where was it , auschwitz— in front of the gates of where was it , auschwitz or whatever, was it, auschwitz or whatever, on tho — was it, auschwitz or whatever, on the internet,— was it, auschwitz or whatever, on the internet, there's been a lot on the internet, there's been a tot ot— on the internet, there's been a lot of trolling— on the internet, there's been a lot of trolling and— on the internet, there's been a lot of trolling and quite nasty stutt— lot of trolling and quite nasty stuff around— lot of trolling and quite nasty stuff around this— lot of trolling and quite nasty stuff around this because she toauso— stuff around this because she because she's— stuff around this because she because she's fighting for this pottoy— because she's fighting for this oottoy m— because she's fighting for this oottoy m a— because she's fighting for this oottoy m a wow— because she's fighting for this policy in a very passionate way. sto— policy in a very passionate way. sto gotumoty— policy in a very passionate way. she genuinely believes- policy in a very passionate way. she genuinely believes it- policy in a very passionate way. she genuinely believes it will be and knows be a deterrent. and rishi knows rishi sunak knows if stop the boats doesn't work, he's going rishi sunak knows if stop the bo have )esn't work, he's going rishi sunak knows if stop the bo have a sn't work, he's going rishi sunak knows if stop the bo have a verylvork, he's going rishi sunak knows if stop the bo have a very big., he's going rishi sunak knows if stop the bo have a very big issue going rishi sunak knows if stop the bo have a very big issue at ing rishi sunak knows if stop the bo have a very big issue at the to have a very big issue at the next because next general election because yeah, take yeah, i mean, it doesn't take away that away from the fact that they have resolve this have to try and resolve this issue somehow. they do. issue somehow. they really do. tmt— issue somehow. they really do. amt-wo— issue somehow. they really do. ant-wo-to- issue somehow. they really do. amt-wo-to tty tti and so i think we need to try it amt— and so i think we need to try it amt soo— and so i think we need to try it ant now— and so i think we need to try it and see how it— and so i think we need to try it and see how it works. and 460 ott— and see how it works. and 460 ott amwot— and see how it works. and 460 odd arrived this— and see how it works. and 460 odd arrived this weekend and the woatnot-s— weather's getting better now. ant— weather's getting better now. and—bushra- and education story bushra school tutoring a third of the nearly £600 million post lockdown cash has been unspent. yeah this is this remember this policy ? yes. this is really

policy? yes. this is really tntotosttnt— tt.yt7’ yes. this is really interesting because this is a tuto— interesting because this is a nuto onunt— interesting because this is a huge chunk of— interesting because this is a huge chunk of money. and i have ontttton— huge chunk of money. and i have ontttton as— huge chunk of money. and i have children as well. _ huge chunk of money. and i have children as well. so— huge chunk of money. and i have children as well. so i know how totttmontat— children as well. so i know how detrimental the _ children as well. so i know how detrimental the whole of toottown— detrimental the whole of lockdown was _ detrimental the whole of lockdown was to kids in schools ant— lockdown was to kids in schools ant sonoots— lockdown was to kids in schools and schools closing down. so ossonttatty— and schools closing down. so essentially, this— and schools closing down. so essentially, this funding was ttwon— essentially, this funding was ttwonlsay— essentially, this funding was ttwonlsay .— essentially, this funding was givenlsay , let's- essentially, this funding was given say , let's now catch given to say, let's now catch up,— given to say, let's now catch up. toauso— given to say, let's now catch up, because that's what we're going— up, because that's what we're totnt to— up, because that's what we're totnt to nawo— up, because that's what we're going to have to— up, because that's what we're going to have to do is play oatm— going to have to do is play catch_children.j going to have to do is play- catch_children. but catch up with the children. but the catch up with the children. but tno-tt-s— catch up with the children. but tno-tt-s not- catch up with the children. but the-it's not been- the fact that it's not been spont— the fact that it's not beeni spont—tnoto the fact that it's not been spent,_there no spent, it means that there is no tutottnt— spent, it means that there is no tutoring available— spent, it means that there is no tutoring available those tutoring available for all those ttts— tutoring available for all those ttts-snoutt— tutoring available for all those kids-should be— tutoring available for all those kids should be catching up. kids that should be catching up. and kids that should be catching up. tntlttat— kids that should be catching up. and-that because— kids that should be catching up. and-that because they- kids that should be catching up. and is that because they haven't got no, i got enough tutors? sarah no, i think-because— got enough tutors? sarah no, i think-because the- got enough tutors? sarah no, i think-because the a- got enough tutors? sarah no, i think-because the a lot- think it's because the a lot of tno—tol think it's because the a lot of tnoltno—tol think it's because the a lot of the the funding to think it's because the a lot of the the funding and to think it's because the a lot of the the funding and they don't match the funding and they don't want— match the funding and they don't want-mat. — match the funding and they don't want-that. but— match the funding and they don't want-that. but also- want to do that. but also i ton-t— want to do that. but also i ton-t toatty— want to do that. but also i don't really understand. i'm notatty— don't really understand. i'm ttotatty being— don't really understand. i'm probably being thick here probably being a bit thick here and probably being a bit thick here ant-yout— probably being a bit thick here and your listeners will and i'm sure your listeners will oottoot—totl correct me, but if you've got tnts— correct me, but if you've got tnts onunt— correct me, but if you've got this chunk-why. correct me, but if you've got. this chunk-why can't this chunk of money, why can't you— this chunk of money, why can't you-mat— this chunk of money, why can't you-tnat to— this chunk of money, why can't you-that to the- you just pay that to the toaonots— you just pay that to the teachers-the- you just pay that to thel teachers-the-to you just pay that to the- teacherslthe-to just teachers in the school to just do teachers in the school to just to—nouts- teachers in the school to just do_hours tutoringj teachers in the school to just. do_hours tutoring to do a few extra hours tutoring to the do a few extra hours tutoring to tno-tnat— do a few extra hours tutoring to tno-tnat tnoy— do a few extra hours tutoring to the that they already do a few extra hours tutoring to the and that they already do a few extra hours tutoring to the and are t they already do a few extra hours tutoring to the and are already lready do a few extra hours tutoring to the and are already working know and are already working ton— know and are already working ton-mats— know and are already working for?-that's partly- know and are already working for? that's partly because for? well, that's partly because tnoy— for? well, that's partly because tnoy ton-t— for? well, that's partly because they don't want— for? well, that's partly because they don't want do any kind they don't want to do any kind of they don't want to do any kind ot—nouts. - they don't want to do any kind| of-hours. .then of additional hours. and then ttoy— of additional hours. and then they doing already they they are doing already because teachers themselves are paid for it paid. obe okay paid for it being paid. obe okay . so yeah, technically, technically it could work, but i'm just you know, if i'm just saying, you know, if you've got a, you know, if you've got a, you know, if you've a teacher who is you've got a teacher who is happy to stay behind for a

couple hours help tutor couple of hours and help tutor you, i mean, know, you're you, i mean, you know, you're already out lot already going to take out a lot of they the pupils. of because they know the pupils. they gaps are they know where the gaps are in mott— they know where the gaps are in mot—muon- their knowledge. it's much oastot—to- their knowledge. it's much easier—dolinl easier for them to do it in nouso— easier for them to do it in house. yeah,— easier for them to do it in house. yeah, i'd- easier for them to do it in house. yeah, i'd much rather two— house. yeah, i'd much rather too tt— house. yeah, i'd much rather too ttltno— house. yeah, i'd much rather give it the teachers. ' “t: give it to the teachers. and what-s— give it to the teachers. and wtat-slmoam— give it to the teachers. and what's mean, more what's i mean, what's more important got important here is that we've got huge , huge chunk children huge, huge chunk of children that are playing catch up. they seriously are playing— “g e. they seriously are playing catch up wttn— seriously are playing catch up wttn oams— seriously are playing catch up with exams, never catching. \ttit with exams, never catching. no. ant— with exams, never catching. no. ant tt— with exams, never catching. no. ant tt was— with exams, never catching. no. ant tt tt— with exams, never catching. no. and it was it affected _ with exams, never catching. no. and it was it affected their education. so much and their social everything school absence cases have rocketed. yes. i mean , and it's cases have rocketed. yes. i mean . ant tt-s tust— cases have rocketed. yes. i mean , and it's just really— cases have rocketed. yes. i mean , and it's just really hard- , and it's just really hard totttnt— , and it's just really hard getting them— , and it's just really hard getting them back into a lot of tnom — getting them back into a lot of tnom mayo— getting them back into a lot of tnom two a— getting them back into a lot of them have a lot— getting them back into a lot of them have a lot of my son's sonott— them have a lot of my son's sonott tust— them have a lot of my son's cohort just haven't come back. voan. — cohort just haven't come back. voan. t— cohort just haven't come back. voan. t moan— cohort just haven't come back. yeah. i mean it— cohort just haven't come back. yeah. i mean it wasn't a story about— yeah. i mean it wasn't a story about 100,000— yeah. i mean it wasn't a story about 100,000 disappeared ontttton— about 100,000 disappeared children-the- about 100,000 disappeared children the school system. children from the school system. voan— children from the school system. voan-totttnt— children from the school system. yeah, getting worse . yeah, but it's getting worse. ant— yeah, but it's getting worse. ant ttoy— yeah, but it's getting worse. and they-came- yeah, but it's getting worse. and they-came back. yeah, but it's getting worse. and they-came back toj and they never came back to small towns. yeah, it's extraordinary. - yeah, it's extraordinary. j small towns. yeah, it's extraordinary. really appalling. and to affect and how is that going to affect their prospects theirjob prospects in attempts to. well, you're have a to. well, you're going to have a son— to. well, you're going to have a sott ot— to. well, you're going to have a sott ot you— to. well, you're going to have a sort of you're going— well, you're going to have a sort of you're going to have son— sort of you're going to have sort-children— sort of you're going to have sort children now who are sort of children now who are now notatty— sort of children now who are now probably—19- sort of children now who are now probably—19 ato- probably 18, 19. 17, 18, 19 are just— probably18, 19. 17, 18, 19 are tust tomo— probably 18, 19. 17, 18, 19 are tust totnt to— probably 18, 19. 17, 18, 19 are just going to have an unfillable gap just going to have an unfillable tat-mott— just going to have an unfillable gap their education, gap in their education, unfortunately. yeah, appalling. and unfortunately. yeah, appalling. ant atso— unfortunately. yeah, appalling. ant atso on— unfortunately. yeah, appalling. and also on top— unfortunately. yeah, appalling. and also on top of—

unfortunately. yeah, appalling. and also on top of that,- unfortunately. yeah, appalling. and also on top of that, they've got this sort of kind of like a nihilistic mindset. yeah. i mean, i mean, i “ “ . t:.ti. : “415?" i mean, i mean, i remember nihilistic mindset. yeah. i- mean, i mean, i remember saying at tno— mean, i mean, i remember saying at too ttmo.— mean, i mean, i remember saying at too ttmo. t— mean, i mean, i remember saying at the time, i think— mean, i mean, i remember saying at the time, i think schools snoutt— at the time, i think schools snoutt to— at the time, i think schools should be an— at the time, i think schools should be an essential service ant— should be an essential service ant t— should be an essential service ant t tntnt— should be an essential service and i think they— should be an essential service and i think they should stay oton. — and i think they should stay oton. wot.— and i think they should stay open. well, the— and i think they should stay open. well, the teaching unions ant—tot- and i got so much stick for saytnt— and i got so much stick for- saytnt—untons saying it. the teachers unions, of course, they were adamant. they too. well, they they they were too. well, they they attuot— they were too. well, they theyi attuot—tot argued that it was dangerous for toastots— argued that it was dangerous for teachers-argued- teachers. but as i argued onttossty— teachers. but as i argued endlessly columns, teachers. but as i argued- endlessly-columns, most endlessly in my columns, most toaonots— endlessly in my columns, most toaonots ato— endlessly in my columns, most teachers are under— endlessly in my columns, most teachers are under the age of so.— teachers are under the age of so. ant— teachers are under the age of so. ant ot— teachers are under the age of 30. and of course,— teachers are under the age of 30. and of course, are 30. and of course, there are some-are older,- 30. and of course, there are some are older, but some who are older, but tonotatty— some who are older, but| generally-they some who are older, but- generally-they tend to generally speaking, they tend to be generally speaking, they tend to to auto— generally speaking, they tend to to tutto young.— generally speaking, they tend to be quite young, robust workforce .—stoutt- be quite young, robust workforce .—stoutt wo- be quite young, robust workforce ._should we just. . yeah. yeah. should we just touch upon the fact that one of . yeah. yeah. should we just tou

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marwere-yes. so, mark, the trains that held you up,- marwere a-yes. so, mark, the trains that held you up, marwere a veteran.'es. so, mark, the trains that held you up, marwere a veteran. tell'>o, mark, the trains that held you up, marwere a veteran. tell us mark, the trains that held you up, marwere a veteran. tell us aark, you were a veteran. tell us a ttttto— you were a veteran. tell us a ttttto ott— you were a veteran. tell us a little bit about— you were a veteran. tell us a little bit about your military career. well,— little bit about your military career. well, joined the army career. well, i joined the army in career. well, i joined the army tn i989,— career. well, i joined the army tn i989, ant — career. well, i joined the army tn i989, ant t— career. well, i joined the army in 1989, and i went through a in1989, and i went through a ttoooss— in1989, and i went through a ttoooss ot— in1989, and i went through a process of being— in 1989, and i went through a process of being in the tntantty. — process of being in the infantry. so- process of being in the infantry. process of being in the- infantry. so the various roles of northern ireland, bosnia, kosovo , all of the fun spots. kosovo, all of the fun spots. so i eventually served 25 years, out— so i eventually served 25 years, tut out— so i eventually served 25 years, tut out ot— so i eventually served 25 years, but out of that— so i eventually served 25 years, but out of that 25— so i eventually served 25 years, but out of that 25 years, ten yoats— but out of that 25 years, ten yoats ot— but out of that 25 years, ten years of which— but out of that 25 years, ten years of which were frontline nonma— years of which were frontline war fighting, as— years of which were frontline war fighting, as i say, places two— war fighting, as i say, places like northern— war fighting, as i say, places like northern ireland. but for tno— like northern ireland. but for me, the culmination for me was in me, the culmination for me was tn zoos— me, the culmination for me was tn zoos tn— me, the culmination for me was tn zoos tn tat— me, the culmination for me was in 2004, in iraq ,— me, the culmination for me was in 2004, in iraq, erg. '“t: me, the culmination for me was in 2004, in iraq , erg. '“t: in 2004, in iraq, erg. and so i wtth— in 2004, in iraq, erg. and so i was with fine support company of the princess of wales's royal regiment and we were cut off basically in al amara. and you had people basically in al amara. and you nat tootto two— basically in al amara. and you had people like johnson- “ u and you had people like johnson beharry vc had people like johnson beharry vc somtnt— had people like johnson beharry vc somtnt tn— had people like johnson beharry vc coming in to— had people like johnson beharry vc coming in to try and, you know.— vc coming in to try and, you know. suttott— vc coming in to try and, you know, support us. - vc coming in to try and, you know, support us. so it was a wow— know, support us. so it was a wow otunony— know, support us. so it was a very crunchy and— know, support us. so it was a very crunchy and of course that nas— very crunchy and of course that nas an— very crunchy and of course that nas an nas— very crunchy and of course that nas an nas an— very crunchy and of course that has an has an effect. so you'll out— has an has an effect. so you'll out ott— has an has an effect. so you'll out ott you— has an has an effect. so you'll cut off you are— has an has an effect. so you'll cut off you are live— has an has an effect. so you'll cut off you are live in on your wtts— cut off you are live in on your wtts tut— cut off you are live in on your own wits, but you're as a member of own wits, but you're as a member ot tno— own wits, but you're as a member ot to man— own wits, but you're as a member ot to man ot— own wits, but you're as a member of the chain of command, as , as of the chain of command, as, as a t— of the chain of command, as, as as t nat— of the chain of command, as, as a science. i had to— of the chain of command, as, as a science. i had to look after att— a science. i had to look after at tnoso— a science. i had to look after all these men— a science. i had to look after all these men and you know it tatos— all these men and you know it tatos tts—

all these men and you know it takes its toll. _ all these men and you know it takes its toll. and— all these men and you know it takes its toll. and not only tnat— takes its toll. and not only tnat .— takes its toll. and not only tnat . you— takes its toll. and not only tnat . you an— takes its toll. and not only that, you can see takes its toll. and not only that , you can see the effects of that, you can see the effects of war on your fellow— that, you can see the effects of war on your fellow comrades, but atso— war on your fellow comrades, but atso tt— war on your fellow comrades, but atso tt nas— war on your fellow comrades, but atso tt nas a— war on your fellow comrades, but also it has a has— war on your fellow comrades, but also it has a has a— war on your fellow comrades, but also it has a has a effect on youtsott. — also it has a has a effect on youtsott. so — also it has a has a effect on yourself. so being- also it has a has a effect on yourself. “g t: yourself. so being mortal, i'd, yourself. so being mortal, i'd, you know, over 500 times, you know, small arms contacts we had mortared 500 times. yes. in penny drop mortared 500 times. yes. in ttonny trot tt— mortared 500 times. yes. in penny drop it. sink- ”cc 500 . yes. in penny drop it. sink that my word and penny drop it. sink that my word ant wttn— penny drop it. sink that my word ant wttn tno— penny drop it. sink that my word and with rpg attacks and small arms contacts— and with rpg attacks and small arms contacts and— and with rpg attacks and small arms contacts and trying to say— arms contacts and trying to say out— arms contacts and trying to carry out what— arms contacts and trying to carry out what your role was to do carry out what your role was to to was— carry out what your role was to to to— carry out what your role was to to to try— carry out what your role was to do was to try and— carry out what your role was to do was to try and stabilise the ant. you— do was to try and stabilise the area and, you know, bring the tno— area and, you know, bring the ttto ot— area and, you know, bring the ttto ot tno— area and, you know, bring the life of the populace in in al amara— life of the populace in in al amata ant— life of the populace in in al amara and unfortunately, we lost otttt— amara and unfortunately, we lost ottnt. — amara and unfortunately, we lost ottnt. ano— amara and unfortunately, we lost ottnt. ot— amara and unfortunately, we lost ottnt. at my— amara and unfortunately, we lost eight. ig eight. one of my colleagues, chris raymond , other part of my chris raymond, other part of my unit was in basra. they lost leo cattatnan— unit was in basra. they lost leo callaghan which— unit was in basra. they lost leo callaghan which was— unit was in basra. they lost leo callaghan which was a- .. “ . “ they lost leo callaghan which was a lovely guy that callaghan which was a lovely guy tnat astuatty— callaghan which was a lovely guy that actually trained. so there was an effect— that actually trained. so there was an effect there . was an effect there. but you mot— was an effect there. but you then come back literally . within

then come back literally. within 24 hours, 48 hours. i was in tesco's, you know,- i?” ”8 iwas in tesco's, you know, shopping and you know.— tesco's, you know, shopping and you know, there's,— tesco's, you know, shopping and you know, there's, there's no understanding— you know, there's, there's no understanding of— you know, there's, there's no understanding of what was going on. understanding of what was going toot— understanding of what was going twon my— understanding of what was going on. even my unit— understanding of what was going on. even my unit was- understanding of what was going on. ..’“ . understanding of what was going on. .. “ . on. even my unit was down south and i was actually in catterick as an instructor. so when i went back they had no idea what was going on. and how did it, did it attoot— going on. and how did it, did it attoot you— going on. and how did it, did it affect you emotions— 3tit “g and how did it, did it affect you emotions mentally? voan. — affect you emotions mentally? voan. .wtat— affect you emotions mentally? yeah. .what happens. affect you emotions mentally? yeah. affect you emotions mentally?- yeah. .what happens is that yeah. well what happens is that what happened to me was the fact is that it starts so i couldn't be you know, i was struggling to be you know, i was struggling to be the father or struggling to be the father or struggling to be the father or struggling to be the husband and, you know, the brother, the son. but more tmtonantty— the brother, the son. but more tmponantty to— the brother, the son. but more importantly to us— the brother, the son. but more importantly to us as- the brother, the son. but more importantly to us as as- but more importantly to us as as members of importantly to us as as members ot tno— importantly to us as as members ot tno atmot— importantly to us as as members of the armed forces,— importantly to us as as members of the armed forces, you know, ot— of the armed forces, you know, one of our core values is that sotttoss— one of our core values is that selfless commitment. and i could not to— selfless commitment. and i could not to ma— selfless commitment. and i could not be that soldier— selfless commitment. and i could not be that soldier anymore toauso— not be that soldier anymore toauso t— not be that soldier anymore because i was— not be that soldier anymore because i was struggling. ' “t: because i was struggling. and i thought.— because i was struggling. and i tnoutnt. wott. — because i was struggling. and i thought, well, if— because i was struggling. and i thought, well, if i— because i was struggling. and i thought, well, if i can't be that soldier anymore, then i might as well not be here. and so i, i one of the things- g“. and so i, i one of the things i've onty— so i, i one of the things i've onty tattot— so i, i one of the things i've only failed in— so i, i one of the things i've only failed in my- so i, i one of the things i've only failed in my military career was— only failed in my military career was attempted suicide . career was attempted suicide. ant— career was attempted suicide. ant t— career was attempted suicide. ant t was— career was attempted suicide. and i was then—

career was attempted suicide. and i was then sectioned- career was attempted suicide. and i was then sectioned in the military system and was then obviously diagnosed with severe combat. co—morbid post—traumatic stress. how combat. co—morbid post—traumatic stress . how can i ask how often stress. how can i ask how often did stress. how can i ask how often ttt you— stress. how can i ask how often ttt you try— stress. how can i ask how often ttt you try tust— stress. how can i ask how often did you try just once— how can i ask how often did you try just once to kill youtsott— did you try just once to kill youtsott 7— did you try just once to kill yourself ? unfortunately there yourself? unfortunately there was a second time because it toos away— was a second time because it never goes away . ' never goes away. and so i was again still being served. but it was really again still being sewed. but it was really affecting— again still being sewed. but it was really affecting my- ago? “ .. “g : but it was really affecting my married life was really affecting my married ttto ant— was really affecting my married ttto ant t— was really affecting my married life and i was— was really affecting my married life and i was coming to the end of life and i was coming to the end ot my— life and i was coming to the end ot my oaoot— life and i was coming to the end of my career. and— life and i was coming to the end of my career. and so my at the ttmo— of my career. and so my at the ttmo tattnot— of my career. and so my at the time partner said— of my career. and so my at the time partner said ,— of my career. and so my at the time partner said , i can't deal time partner said, i can't deal wttn— time partner said, i can't deal wttn ttts— time partner said, i can't deal wttn tnts. t— time partner said, i can't deal with this. i can,— time partner said, i can't deal with this. i can, you know, he's going— with this. i can, you know, he's totnt to— with this. i can, you know, he's totnt to rottw— with this. i can, you know, he's going to really, really sttuttto— going to really, really struggle, you know, without that otuton — struggle, you know, without that otutonltotnt— struggle, you know, without that crutch . being in _ struggle, you know, without that crutch being in the forces . crutch of being in the forces. att— crutch of being in the forces. ant so— crutch of being in the forces. ant so sno— crutch of being in the forces. and so she said— crutch of being in the forces. and so she said divorce,- crutch of being in the forces. and so she said divorce, right. and so she said divorce, right. and so she said divorce, right. and so then when you then looked at, obviously you can't be put into the into the warrant officer's mess because obviously the bar and the drinking and you know, you're you're surrounded by, you know, these these young soldiers that you're supposed to look up to you. you know, i couldn't stay at home because

that would have wrong for that would have been wrong for myself and for obviously my now ex wife. so i was actually put recommended to go to recovery centre at tidworth house, which was help for heroes. brilliant but again you look at that, you know, so through i thought it was all about, you know , the was all about, you know, the limbless guys and, you know, the wheelchairs and you know, the blind and everything else. so it's but help for it's not for me, but help for heroes that. they, you heroes knew that. so they, you know, took me to one side and said, look, you know, it's said, look, you know, you it's not deserving, you not about deserving, but you deserve and help. deserve our support and help. and everything else that. and everything else like that. so i was in the right place at the right time. what do you tntnt— the right time. what do you think would— . g“. . what do you think would happened the right time. what do you think would -happened you think would have happened to you if think would have happened to you tt—notto— think would have happened to you tt—notto tot- if it wasn't for help? for totooso— if it wasn't for help? for heroes? probably if it wasn't for help? for- heroes?-probably not be heroes? i would probably not be too. — heroes? i would probably not be too. t— heroes? i would probably not be too. t atways— heroes? i would probably not be here. i always turn— heroes? i would probably not be here. i always turn around and you know, god bless him . bryn you know, god bless him. bryn parry i used to turn around and say as an say to him, you know, as an ambassador for as i would turn around say , help for heroes around and say, help for heroes saved my life. and used to say saved my life. and i used to say tnat— saved my life. and i used to say tnat .— saved my life. and i used to say tnat . ant— saved my life. and i used to say tnat . ant-tnoy— saved my life. and i used to say that . and _they did- that. and which they did otwtousty— that. and which they did otwtousty .— that. and which they did obviously , but i now know and obviously, but i now know and bring— obviously, but i now know and tuna you— obviously, but i now know and tuna you to— obviously, but i now know and bring you to around and say bring you to turn around and say totty— bring you to turn around and say tony—ttt- bring you to turn around and say totty—ttt wo- lofty said, no, no we did we tust— lofty said, no, no we did wei

just—ammunition lofty said, no, no we did we- just_ammunition to just give you the ammunition to noto— just give you the ammunition to non-om. — just give you the ammunition to non-om. tom.- just give you the ammunition to help-off. yeah. and. help yourself off. yeah. and mat— help yourself off. yeah. and that you know, you were injured amongst your colleagues as you recover amongst your colleagues and do you support each other? you know, and so it was the right charity at the right time . sarah vine still with us. it's an amastnt— . sarah vine still with us. it's an amazing story,— sarah vine still with us. it's an amazing story, isn't it? tt-s— an amazing story, isn't it? no a— an amazing story, isn't it? it's a fascinating- an amazing story, isn't it? it's a fascinating story.- an amazing story, isn't it? it's a fascinating story. what what do you think that the army should do for people like you? i mean, if you had come back into the into into normal civil civil society in a better way, do you think you wouldn't have encountered these problems? because it seems to me that they just well it's i just abandon you? well it's i mean, i have asked that question. i've actually sort of sat— question. i've actually sort of sat town— question. i've actually sort of sat town ant— c tit“ i've actually sort of sat down and thought about c i“ i've actually sort of sat down and thought about that. it's sat down and thought about that. to a— sat down and thought about that. to a mammo— sat down and thought about that. it's a machine and— sat down and thought about that. it's a machine and it needs to toot— it's a machine and it needs to toot totttnt— it's a machine and it needs to keep rolling, you— it's a machine and it needs to keep rolling, you know, because totty-s— keep rolling, you know, because totty-s tatton— keep rolling, you know, because lofty's fallen over, _ keep rolling, you know, because lofty's fallen over, it can't stop. — lofty's fallen over, it can't stop. loat— lofty's fallen over, it can't stop. |tut tut— lofty's fallen over, it can't stop. i but but they - lofty's fallen over, it can't stop. tit“t: lofty's fallen over, it can't- stop. ibut but they try and give stop. but but they try and give you what they think is the right measure. so at the time, just tutor— measure. so at the time, just auto to— measure. so at the time, just not to my— ”c: so at the time, just prior to my discharge , ”ti so at the time, just prior to my discharge , i was prior to my discharge, i was

ttaoot— prior to my discharge, i was ttaoot on— prior to my discharge, i was placed on the— prior to my discharge, i was placed on the to— prior to my discharge, i was placed on the to the various courses, you know, and i oouttn-t— courses, you know, and i couldn't absorb what was going on. couldn't absorb what was going t— couldn't absorb what was going t tttn-t— couldn't absorb what was going on. i didn't know— couldn't absorb what was going on. i didn't know what i was going— on. i didn't know what i was totnt to— on. i didn't know what i was totnt to to— on. i didn't know what i was going to do the— on. i didn't know what i was going to do the next day, let atono— going to do the next day, let atono son— going to do the next day, let alone sort of— going to do the next day, let alone sort of like— going to do the next day, let alone sort of like try and not-ost— alone sort of like try and ptotoot-tn- alone sort of like try and. project-in-years alone sort of like try and- project-in-years time project myself in two years time to—ov— project myself in two years time to—cv . — project myself in two years time to—ov. tom.- project myself in two years time to-cv. yeah, to- project myself in two years timei to-cv . yeah, to write to write your cv. yeah, to write your cv. yeah. in— to write your cv. “tit?“ co yeah. in america, to write your cv. “tit?“ ” co yeah. in america, they your cv. yeah. in america, they nawo— your cv. yeah. in america, they two a— your cv. yeah. in america, they two a wnoto— ” co yeah. in america, they have a whole veterans department aso-tw.ommont— have a whole veterans department as government. we've as part of government. we've got as part of government. we've got a—tut- a veterans minister now, but we ton-t— a veterans minister now, but we ton-t-wototans- don't have a veterans department. i mean, my grandfather chindit yeah. grandfather was a chindit yeah. and he came , he left one person. and he came, he left one person. he came back a completely different man. i mean, destroyed by what he saw. and then spent the rest of his life slowly drinking himself to death. yeah. and it was tragic. and, you know, he had no. and there was a sort of culture of what he was in. he was in the engineers and they were they helped me. they were very helpful . and they were very helpful. and they looked after him. they sort of put him back together physically. you know, they patched but there wasn't patched him up, but there wasn't any ever any mental health. and it almost you're in any ever any mental health. and it army. iost you're in any ever any mental health. and it army. you're you're in any ever any mental health. and it army. you're not)u're in any ever any mental health. and it army. you're not allowed to the army. you're not allowed to have breakdown have this mental breakdown because we're all fighting men .

because we're all fighting men. and i think that's the culture is ran up was said to me many a time . yes grow up all that kind time. yes grow up all that kind of stuff. do you think the outtuto — of stuff. do you think the culture has— do you think the culture has changed a little toauso— culture has changed a little because-are- culture has changed a little. because-are-women because there are more women now—wou- because there are more women now—wot tl because there are more women. now—wot t tntnt now, service women? well i think the now, service women? well i think too outtuto— now, service women? well i think the culture has— now, service women? well i think the culture has changed because otwtousty—voami obviously mental health. yeah. ant— obviously mental health. yeah. ant-what— obviously mental health. yeah. and-what the- obviously mental health. yeah. and what the princes and obviously what the princes have yeah. and there is an have done. yeah. and there is an understanding of, of mental health. yeah but there is a specific difference. i think there's a specific difference. i mean that's no disrespect to any— i mean that's no disrespect to any sowttta— i mean that's no disrespect to any sevilla men,— i mean that's no disrespect to any sevilla men, shall i say, mat-s— any sevilla men, shall i say, tnat-s nat— any sevilla men, shall i say, that's had some— any sevilla men, shall i say, that's had some form of trauma. tut— that's had some form of trauma. tut to— that's had some form of trauma. tut to actuatty— that's had some form of trauma. but to actually live— that's had some form of trauma. but to actually live by— that's had some form of trauma. but to actually live by the- that's had some form of trauma. but to actually live by the core values of courage , discipline, values of courage, discipline, respect, integrity, loyalty and that selfless commitment to , you that selfless commitment to, you know, to fight for your, your fellow soldier next to you , fellow soldier next to you, fight for your country, fight for your my queen at the time, obviously , there's a difference obviously, there's a difference . ithink obviously, there's a difference . i think there's a difference. watt— . i think there's a difference. watt taytot— . i think there's a difference. mark taylor otherwise- . i think there's a difference. mark taylor otherwise known as lofty. we learnt after coming. thank you so much for telling us your story. here is lovely. satan— your story. here is lovely. satan vtno— your story. here is lovely. sarah vine always- ” t:.tit”yt here is lovely. sarah vine always a joy. yeah,

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