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relatives ? perhaps you might relatives? perhaps you might even be elderly yourself . would even be elderly yourself. would you like to be in a care home? would you trust them to care for your loved ones? would you trust them to care for you? and under 20 fives, do you think that they should be able to carry passengers after they've just passed their driving test? yes or no? we'll have all of that and more coming up in just a few minutes. but before we get into it all, let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest headunes to speed with tonight's latest headlines with the legend that is middlehurst. michelle, is polly middlehurst. michelle, thank you. good— is polly middlehurst. michelle, thank you. good evening- 3: michelle, thank you. good evening to you. n...— thank you. good evening to you. the top— thank you. good evening to you. the top story— thank you. good evening to you. the top story tonight on gb news,— the top story tonight on gb news, the— the top story tonight on gb news, the confederation of british— news, the confederation of british industry says it has now dismissed— british industry says it has now dismissed e— british industry says it has now dismissed a number of people after— dismissed a number of people after a— dismissed a number of people after a series— dismissed a number of people after a series of— dismissed a number of people after a series of sexual misconduct— after a series of sexual misconduct and rape allegations. dozens— misconduct and rape allegations. des ef— misconduct and rape allegations. des of de— misconduct and rape allegations. dozens of the bodies , members dozens of the bodies, members including— dozens of the bodies, members ineindind dini— dozens of the bodies, members including bmw ,_ dozens of the bodies, members including bmw , vodafone and john including bmw, vodafone and john ienis— including bmw, vodafone and john ienis neve— including bmw, vodafone and john lewis, have all— including bmw, vodafone and john lewis, have all left— including bmw, vodafone and john lewis, have all left with the organisation _ lewis, have all left with the organisation suspending policy and membership activities

iennniin— and membership activities iennniin .— and membership activities forthwith . earlier, the forthwith. earlier, the chancellor, - forthwith. earlier, the chancellor, jeremy hunt , said chancellor, jeremy hunt, said inene— chancellor, jeremy hunt, said inene wes— chancellor, jeremy hunt, said inene ne— chancellor, jeremy hunt, said there was no point engaging with there was no point engaging with ine eni— there was no point engaging with the cbi anymore— there was no point engaging with the cbi anymore and that the devennneni— the cbi anymore and that the government wanted to work with the government wanted to work with ine indde — government wanted to work with ine indde dedi— government wanted to work with the trade body that sticks up for business.— the trade body that sticks up for business. now as you've been nearing,— for business. now as you've been nednind, sin— for business. now as you've been needing, sin nei— for business. now as you've been hearing, sir keir starmer says ine— hearing, sir keir starmer says the comments— hearing, sir keir starmer says the comments made by labour mp dinne— the comments made by labour mp didne adden— the comments made by labour mp diane abbott were _ the comments made by labour mp diane abbott were anti—semitic . diane abbott were anti—semitic. in diane abbott were anti—semitic. in en— diane abbott were anti—semitic. in en snide— diane abbott were anti—semitic. in an article for— diane abbott were anti—semitic. in an article for the observer, ine— in an article for the observer, ine fenne— in an article for the observer, the former shadow health deeneidn— the former shadow health secretary said— the former shadow health secretary said jewish, irish and indie— secretary said jewish, irish and traveller people _ secretary said jewish, irish and traveller people all experienced pneiddiee — traveller people all experienced pneiddiee ,— traveller people all experienced pneiddiee , dui— traveller people all experienced prejudice , but not— traveller people all experienced prejudice , but not racism, she prejudice, but not racism, she nes— prejudice, but not racism, she nds se— prejudice, but not racism, she has since withdrawn the remarks and eneiegised— has since withdrawn the remarks and apologised used. labour has deviousn— and apologised used. labour has previously come— and apologised used. labour has previously come under fire for anti—semitic— previously come under fire for anti—semitic remarks made by irer— anti—semitic remarks made by ierrner deny— anti—semitic remarks made by former party leader jeremy cordin— former party leader jeremy corbyn- sir— former party leader jeremy corbyn. sir keir— former party leader jeremy corbyn. sir keir says he did the den— corbyn. sir keir says he did the ridni inind— corbyn. sir keir says he did the ridni inind ie— corbyn. sir keir says he did the right thing to act— corbyn. sir keir says he did the right thing to act swiftly. what she right thing to act swiftly. what sne indie— right thing to act swiftly. what she wrote yesterday. “city she wrote yesterday. i utterly conemnd— she wrote yesterday. i utterly condemn them and i said we would tear out anti—semitism by its roots. i meant it. and that's why we acted so swiftly yesterday . i think it's why we acted so swiftly yesterday. i think it's a mark of how far the labour party has changed that we acted so swiftly and that we take it so seriously

. but i condemn what she said. the africa minister andrew mitchell says the government's exploring every conceivable opfion exploring every conceivable option to evacuate british nationals from sudan . germany nationals from sudan. germany has already evacuated- 3" germany has already evacuated more than soo— has already evacuated more than soo oeonie— has already evacuated more than soo people todav- — has already evacuated more than 300 people today. they've incidded— 300 people today. they've included the _ 300 people today. they've included the evacuation of driiisn— included the evacuation of british citizens— included the evacuation of british citizens in their group, an british citizens in their group, on emergency— british citizens in their group, an emergency cobra meeting was nerd— an emergency cobra meeting was neid today— an emergency cobra meeting was held today with— an emergency cobra meeting was held today with the foreign diiice— held today with the foreign office advising— held today with the foreign office advising those who are siiii— office advising those who are siiii in— office advising those who are siiii in me— office advising those who are still in the country to stay indoors— still in the country to stay indoors and— still in the country to stay indoors and wait for further information.— indoors and wait for further information. amid violent coniiici— information. amid violent conflict between the sudanese army— conflict between the sudanese ormy ond— conflict between the sudanese army and d— conflict between the sudanese army and a powerful paramilitary groupi— army and a powerful paramilitary group, mere— army and a powerful paramilitary group, inere ore— army and a powerful paramilitary group, there are estimates that mere— group, there are estimates that inere dre— group, there are estimates that there are between— group, there are estimates that there are between 2 and 4000 driiisn— there are between 2 and 4000 british citizens— there are between 2 and 4000 british citizens in— there are between 2 and 4000 british citizens in the country. cnoir— british citizens in the country. cndir oi— british citizens in the country. cndir oi ine— british citizens in the country. chair of the defence select commiiiee, — chair of the defence select committee, tobias ellwood, said the government— committee, tobias ellwood, said the government needed a clear didn— the government needed a clear dion io— the government needed a clear pidn ro dei— the government needed a clear plan to get british people out of plan to get british people out oi ine— plan to get british people out of the country. _ plan to get british people out of the country. if— plan to get british people out of the country. if we don't have a of the country. if we don't have o didn— of the country. if we don't have o pidn odi— of the country. if we don't have a plan put together for a recognition— a plan put together for a recognition of— a plan put together for a recognition of where and how, the recognition of where and how, ine endors— recognition of where and how, the expats need— recognition of where and how, the expats need to get out, they wiri— the expats need to get out, they did sien— the expats need to get out, they will start taking— the expats need to get out, they will start taking things into ineir— will start taking things into ineir on— will start taking things into their own hands, determining indi— their own hands, determining mm is— their own hands, determining mm is roo— their own hands, determining that it's too dangerous and try ond— that it's too dangerous and try and more— that it's too dangerous and try and make their— that it's too dangerous and try and make their own way to the

dorder. — and make their own way to the dorder. and— and make their own way to the border. and that,— and make their own way to the border. and that, of- and make their own way to the border. ' r: ririm. border. and that, of course, could lead to some very could lead to some some very difficult so it is difficult situations. so it is important we clarity on important that we see clarity on how now, now that the diplomats are out, how does everybody else get out ? tobias ellwood now, the get out? tobias ellwood now, the coun— get out? tobias ellwood now, the corn oi— get out? tobias ellwood now, the corn oi ripped— get out? tobias ellwood now, the court of appeal has— grim rir..? tobias ellwood now, the court of appeal has heard grim rim..? tobias ellwood now, the court of appeal has heard the dccdsdiion— court of appeal has heard the accusation that— court of appeal has heard the accusation that judges showed excessive deference towards the dome — excessive deference towards the dome diiice-s— excessive deference towards the home office's view that promises mode— home office's view that promises mode dy— home office's view that promises mode dy ine— home office's view that promises made by the rwandan government nodd— made by the rwandan government nodid droieci— made by the rwandan government would protect migrants from noieniidi— would protect migrants from potential ill— would protect migrants from potential ill treatment . six potential ill treatment. six dsyidm— potential ill treatment. six asylum seekers— potential ill treatment. six asylum seekers in the uk are now cndiiendind— asylum seekers in the uk are now cnoiiendind ine— asylum seekers in the uk are now challenging the high court's dismissed— challenging the high court's dismissal of— challenging the high court's dismissal of a— challenging the high court's dismissal of a series of legal dids— dismissal of a series of legal dids oddinsi— dismissal of a series of legal bids against the— dismissal of a series of legal bids against the illegal midroiion— bids against the illegal migration bill. the home secreiom— migration bill. the home secretary suella braverman, said she secretary suella braverman, said sne needed— secretary suella braverman, said she needed the— secretary suella braverman, said she needed the crucial power to son— she needed the crucial power to sioo inropedn— she needed the crucial power to stop european judges from inienenind— stop european judges from intervening in— stop european judges from intervening in the deportation of intervening in the deportation oi people— intervening in the deportation oi people nio— intervening in the deportation of people who arrived into the uk of people who arrived into the iii rid— of people who arrived into the uk via unauthorised routes. of people who arrived into the uk via unauthorised routes . as uk via unauthorised routes. as the uk via unauthorised routes. as ine rin— uk via unauthorised routes. as the un secretary—general has criiicised— the un secretary—general has criticised russia _ the un secretary—general has criticised russia for causing massive suffering and devastation - massive suffering and devastation to ukraine and its people— devastation to ukraine and its peooie .— devastation to ukraine and its people , antonio— devastation to ukraine and its people , antonio guterres said people, antonio guterres said indi— people, antonio guterres said that tensions— people, antonio guterres said that tensions between major powers— that tensions between major poswer ond— that tensions between major powers and the— that tensions between major powers and the risk of the coniiici— powers and the risk of the conflict are _ powers and the risk of the conflict are at— powers and the risk of the conflict are at a- powers and the risk of the conflict are at a historic high.

iieonwiiie— conflict are at a historic high. meanwhile, russian foreign iiinisier— meanwhile, russian foreign minister sergei _ meanwhile, russian foreign minister sergei lavrov told the corner— minister sergei lavrov told the cowncii ine — minister sergei lavrov told the council the world _ minister sergei lavrov told the council the world had reached a more dangerous— council the world had reached a more dangerous situation than dwind— more dangerous situation than even during the— more dangerous situation than even during the cold war. dcoiidnd-s— even during the cold war. scotland's first minister will meei— scotland's first minister will meei ine— scotland's first minister will meet the prime— scotland's first minister will meet the prime minister for the ini— meet the prime minister for the iirsi rime— meet the prime minister for the iirsi rime in— meet the prime minister for the first time in person since rewind— first time in person since taking office.— first time in person since taking office. humza yousaf expecrind— taking office. humza yousaf eopeciind io— taking office. humza yousaf expecting to discuss the tax rise on scotch— expecting to discuss the tax rise on scotch whisky and westminster's_ rise on scotch whisky and westminster's block on controversial- westminster's block on controversial gender reforms , controversial gender reform s, wnicn— controversial gender reform s, wnicn wowid — controversial gender reforms, which would allow scottish people— which would allow scottish people io — which would allow scottish people to self—identify in terms of people to self—identify in terms oi dender. — people to self—identify in terms oi gender. ine— people to self—identify in terms of gender. the reforms were diocwed— of gender. the reforms were diocwed dw— of gender. the reforms were blocked by the _ of gender. the reforms were blocked by the uk government ineir— blocked by the uk government over their potential impact on uk over their potential impact on we wide— over their potential impact on uk wide equality— over their potential impact on uk wide equality laws as an investigation— uk wide equality laws as an investigation into the prime iiinisier-s— investigation into the prime minister's financial interests nos— minister's financial interests nos deen— minister's financial interests has been expanded to include a noieniioi— has been expanded to include a potential break— has been expanded to include a potential break in— has been expanded to include a potential break in the mps code of potential break in the mps code oi condwci. — potential break in the mps code of conduct. the— potential break in the mps code of conduct. the parliamentary woicndod— of conduct. the parliamentary watchdog began— of conduct. the parliamentary watchdog began by reviewing idsni— watchdog began by reviewing idsni sundr— watchdog began by reviewing rishi sunak financial interests diier— rishi sunak financial interests diier ne— rishi sunak financial interests after he failed— rishi sunak financial interests after he failed to— rishi sunak financial interests after he failed to declare his wiie — after he failed to declare his wiie snes— after he failed to declare his wife shares in— after he failed to declare his wife shares in a— after he failed to declare his wife shares in a childcare agency— wife shares in a childcare ddencw wnicn— wife shares in a childcare agency which could benefit from governmeni— agency which could benefit from government funding after the wdicndod— government funding after the watchdog announced the investigation, _ watchdog announced the investigation, the prime iiinisier— investigation, the prime minister then included his

wiie-s— minister then included his wife's stake— minister then included his wife's stake in— minister then included his wife's stake in the agency in his ministerial— wife's stake in the agency in his ministerial financial inieresis— his ministerial financial interests and- his ministerial financial interests and the eco protest group— interests and the eco protest group extinction _ interests and the eco protest group extinction rebellion have deen— group extinction rebellion have been delivering— group extinction rebellion have been delivering their demands to doriidmeni— been delivering their demands to parliament today— been delivering their demands to parliament today during ongoing process— parliament today during ongoing nroiesis in— parliament today during ongoing protests in westminster. the demands— protests in westminster. the demands are— protests in westminster. the demands are a— protests in westminster. the demands are a call on the government— demands are a call on the government to— demands are a call on the government to stop the search for government to stop the search ior ne— government to stop the search for new fossil— government to stop the search for new fossil fuel— government to stop the search for new fossil fuel services and esiddiisn— for new fossil fuel services and establish what— for new fossil fuel services and establish what they are calling an establish what they are calling on emergency— establish what they are calling an emergency citizen assembly to decide— an emergency citizen assembly to decide now— an emergency citizen assembly to decide now io— an emergency citizen assembly to decide how to end— an emergency citizen assembly to decide how to end dependency on gas,— decide how to end dependency on gas or— decide how to end dependency on dos. oii ond— decide how to end dependency on gas, oil and coal— decide how to end dependency on gas, oil and coal extinction. icedeiiion— gas, oil and coal extinction. rebellion members join forces wiin— rebellion members join forces wiin inde— rebellion members join forces with trade unions and charities in d— with trade unions and charities in o iodi— with trade unions and charities in o iowr dow— with trade unions and charities in a four day demonstration , in a four day demonstration, wiin— in a four day demonstration, mm o— in a four day demonstration, with a spokesperson saying the ioini— with a spokesperson saying the ioini oroiesis— with a spokesperson saying the joint protests are— with a spokesperson saying the joint protests are to raise awareness that the climate and the awareness that the climate and me cosi— awareness that the climate and me cosi oi— awareness that the climate and the cost of living— awareness that the climate and the cost of living crises are doin— the cost of living crises are both linked.— the cost of living crises are both linked. the- the cost of living crises are both linked. the cost of living crisis— both linked. the cost of living crisis is— both linked. the cost of living crisis is directly— both linked. the cost of living crisis is directly related to me— crisis is directly related to the climate— crisis is directly related to the climate crisis. so the reason people are paying more for their energy bills is because they are still pumping the oil and gas out of the ground. we're here today. we don't uk fuel, poverty, don't pay uk fuel, poverty, action all these campaign action and all these campaign groups that are working really, really to change the energy really hard to change the energy market we keep market because we can't keep living this. meanwhile,

living like this. meanwhile, scieniisis— living like this. meanwhile, scientists have— . . g . meanwhile, scientists have released the mosi— scientists have released the most detailed— scientists have released the most detailed images yet of mars moon— most detailed images yet of mars moon-— most detailed images yet of mars iioon- ine— most detailed images yet of mars moon, . the photographs moon, deimos. the photographs cornered— moon, deimos. the photographs were captured by— moon, deimos. the photographs were captured by the united arab imirdies— were captured by the united arab imirdies space— were captured by the united arab emirates space agency during ineir— emirates space agency during ineir eceni— emirates space agency during their recent flyby of the moon. ineir— their recent flyby of the moon. ineir drode — their recent flyby of the moon. their probe flying as close as 62 their probe flying as close as oz miies— their probe flying as close as oz miies io— their probe flying as close as 62 miles to demos, and one of me— 62 miles to demos, and one of me diciwres— 62 miles to demos, and one of the pictures capturing the red dimer— the pictures capturing the red planet drifting— the pictures capturing the red planet drifting into view during the planet drifting into view during ine nrode-s— planet drifting into view during the probe's closest approach . the probe's closest approach. insi— the probe's closest approach. rdsr idsiiw— the probe's closest approach. rdsr iosiiw .— the probe's closest approach. just lastly , the— the probe's closest approach. just lastly , the queen consort just lastly, the queen consort nos— just lastly, the queen consort nos deen— just lastly, the queen consort nos deen downe— just lastly, the queen consort has been paying her tributes to iormer— has been paying her tributes to former strictly— has been paying her tributes to former strictly come dancing judge— former strictly come dancing indee ren— former strictly come dancing judge len goodman , who has died judge len goodman, who has died at judge len goodman, who has died oi ine— judge len goodman, who has died oi ine ode— judge len goodman, who has died oi ine ode oi— judge len goodman, who has died oi rne oee oi is.— judge len goodman, who has died at the age of 78. buckingham doioce— at the age of 78. buckingham doioce. sowing— at the age of 78. buckingham palace, saying camilla, who donced— palace, saying camilla, who danced with _ palace, saying camilla, who danced with len— palace, saying camilla, who danced with len goodman, was soddened— danced with len goodman, was soddened io— danced with len goodman, was saddened to learn— danced with len goodman, was saddened to learn of his death. dome— saddened to learn of his death. dome onene— saddened to learn of his death. dame arlene phillips said her neon— dame arlene phillips said her neon wos— dame arlene phillips said her heart was truly— dame arlene phillips said her heart was truly broken, while dorcew— heart was truly broken, while darcey bussell_ heart was truly broken, while darcey bussell called him a true deniiemon— darcey bussell called him a true eeniiemon .— darcey bussell called him a true gentleman . fellow— darcey bussell called him a true gentleman . fellow judge craig gentleman. fellow judge craig newer.— gentleman. fellow judge craig revel. horwood_ gentleman. fellow judge craig revel. horwood said len would iiwe— revel. horwood said len would iiwe wiin— revel. horwood said len would live with him _ revel. horwood said len would live with him forever. and bruno ionioii— live with him forever. and bruno tonioli called— live with him forever. and bruno tonioli called him _ live with him forever. and bruno tonioli called him the one and onw— tonioli called him the one and only ballroom _ tonioli called him the one and only ballroom legend. he was a judge— only ballroom legend. he was a indee on— only ballroom legend. he was a indee on me— only ballroom legend. he was a judge on the show— only ballroom legend. he was a judge on the show between 2004 and judge on the show between 2004 ond dore. — judge on the show between 2004 ond dore. wis— judge on the show between 2004 and 2016. his agent said len died— and 2016. his agent said len died peacefully— and 2016. his agent said len

died peacefully and will be soreiw— died peacefully and will be sorely missed— died peacefully and will be sorely missed by all who knew nim— sorely missed by all who knew nim .— sorely missed by all who knew nim . inose— sorely missed by all who knew him . those are— sorely missed by all who knew him . those are your latest news him. those are your latest news neodiines— him. those are your latest news neodiines on— him. those are your latest news headlines on tv— him. those are your latest news headlines on tv online dab+ dodo.— headlines on tv online dab+ icodio. ond— headlines on tv online dab+ radio, and on— headlines on tv online dab+ radio, and on the tune in app. inis— radio, and on the tune in app. mm is— radio, and on the tune in app. mm is en— radio, and on the tune in app. this is gb news.— radio, and on the tune in app. this is gb news. now michelle dewderw— this is gb news. now michelle dewderw .— dewberry. thanks for that, dewberry.— thanks for that, polly . well, thanks for that, polly. well, im— thanks for that, polly. well, i'm michelle— thanks for that, polly. well, i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight alongside me , two ladies. what alongside me, two ladies. what a rare treat for everybody at home tonight. the political commentator, joe phillips, writer and broadcaster dominic samuels . i don't know who samuels. i don't know who i don't know who i was just about to call you then. you are? oh, i've been off as well . i've been i've been off as well. i've been off for two days. and this is wnoi— off for two days. and this is wnoi wow— off for two days. and this is wnoiwow eei. — off for two days. and this is what you get. you- : and this is what you get. /rim. i off for two days. and this is what you get. you come back and i can't say people's names and should we just start again and pretend it's about two minutes to six anyway? dominic samuels and joe phillips is keeping me company. can manage to get company. if i can manage to get

through 7:00, quite through till 7:00, quite frankly . know drill, . anyway, you know the drill, don't not just about don't you? it's not just about us it's you at home us three. it's about you at home as what's on your mind as well. what's on your mind tonight? get in touch with me all ways. gb views at all the usual ways. gb views at gbnews.uk or you can tweet me if that's thing at news. that's your thing at gb news. there's lot to unpick today, there's a lot to unpick today, isn't there? but do want to isn't there? but i do want to start, i may, with the goings start, if i may, with the goings on with diane abbott. i'm sure you will have followed it by now. lots of controversy, lots of debate, lots of conversation . she's had the labour whip basically withdrawn, due to remarks that she wrote in a letter, a draft letter , letter, a draft letter, everybody to the observer newspaper . right. just to give newspaper. right. just to give you a bit of context in case you're not really following what's been going on, there was an article written in the observer and it was all about this study , this survey, this study, this survey, basically the evidence for equality national survey, and what it was saying. long story short, is that a whole host of people feel like their experience, like racial discrimination. and it was things like the travelling

community, arnie jewish people all it was just a whole variety of people anyway. diane abbott wrote back and that was the letter that was just been on your screen. if i can just get that back on the screen. but what she's basically saying is that, yes, fair enough, irish, jewish traveller, people suffer from she says the two from prejudice. she says the two words racism and prejudice are used interchangeably. and she basically goes on to say that, yes , white people can accept yes, white people can accept audience prejudice. for example, if you've got a red hair, but you don't live your life apparently subject to racism, then she starts going on about pre—civil rights movements in america and all the rest of it. and she talks about slavery and there being no white people basically as slaves. anyway the essence of this, what i found quite interesting i'll start with you, joe, on this is to me i felt that there was this suggestion that white people basically cannot be victims of racism . am made by diane abbott.

racism. am made by diane abbott. do you agree with that sentiment? no and i think diane widow.— sentiment? no and i think diane addoii. wno— sentiment? no and i think diane abbott, who has— , \rri:r and i think diane abbott, who has achieved a lot, sne-s— abbott, who has achieved a lot, sne-s deen— abbott, who has achieved a lot, sne-s deen on— abbott, who has achieved a lot, she's been an mp— abbott, who has achieved a lot, she's been an mp for 36 years. sne— she's been an mp for 36 years. sne wos— she's been an mp for 36 years. sne ine— she's been an mp for 36 years. she was the first— she's been an mp for 36 years. she was the first black woman to be she was the first black woman to de eiecied— she was the first black woman to de eiecied on— she was the first black woman to be elected an mp,— she was the first black woman to be elected an mp, but bearing in mind— be elected an mp, but bearing in mind odi— be elected an mp, but bearing in mind oii oi— be elected an mp, but bearing in mind all of that— be elected an mp, but bearing in mind all of that ,_ be elected an mp, but bearing in mind all of that , she is mind all of that, she is compieieiw— mind all of that, she is completely tone deaf. if she can mink— completely tone deaf. if she can even think erg— completely tone deaf. if she can even think erg in— completely tone deaf. if she can even think erg in some convoluted— even think erg in some convoluted way that she can comape— convoluted way that she can comope ine— convoluted way that she can compare the to— convoluted way that she can compare the to the racism and the compare the to the racism and me swiierind— compare the to the racism and the suffering of— compare the to the racism and the suffering of the jewish race to the suffering of the jewish race ro people— the suffering of the jewish race ro people wiin— the suffering of the jewish race to people with ginger hair. now you mow.— to people with ginger hair. now you know ii— to people with ginger hair. now you know ii mow— to people with ginger hair. now you know, it may well be that wnoi— you know, it may well be that wnoi sne-s— you know, it may well be that what she's trying— you know, it may well be that what she's trying to say is someinind— what she's trying to say is something else. but as you oiiwded— something else. but as you oiiwded io— something else. but as you alluded to there, michel, she drowdni— alluded to there, michel, she modem in— alluded to there, michel, she brought in civil— alluded to there, michel, she brought in civil rights. and her domi— brought in civil rights. and her doini wos— brought in civil rights. and her point was that— brought in civil rights. and her point was that ,_ brought in civil rights. and her point was that , you know, you point was that, you know, you wer-eni— point was that, you know, you weren't asked— point was that, you know, you weren't asked to— point was that, you know, you weren't asked to sit at the back of weren't asked to sit at the back oi ine— weren't asked to sit at the back oi ine dds. — weren't asked to sit at the back oi ine dds. ii— weren't asked to sit at the back of the bus. if you— weren't asked to sit at the back of the bus. if you had got white skin— of the bus. if you had got white skin een— of the bus. if you had got white skin ii— of the bus. if you had got white skin, even if you— of the bus. if you had got white skin, even if you were of a diiiereni— skin, even if you were of a different race.— skin, even if you were of a different race. but that's missing— different race. but that's missing the— different race. but that's missing the point. this was an onicie— missing the point. this was an onicie odowi— missing the point. this was an article about what— missing the point. this was an article about what was happening in dis— article about what was happening in dis cowniw. — article about what was happening in this country. now today. and sne— in this country. now today. and sne men— in this country. now today. and she then made— in this country. now today. and she then made it— in this country. now today. and she then made it slightly worse,

even worse, actually, by her apology,— even worse, actually, by her apologyr saving— even worse, actually, by her apology, saying that she'd sent all apology, saying that she'd sent oii ine— apology, saying that she'd sent oii ine droii— apology, saying that she'd sent all the draft had— apology, saying that she'd sent all the draft had been sent by misioke— all the draft had been sent by misiowe. noi— all the draft had been sent by mistake, not she— all the draft had been sent by mistake, not she had sent it, wnicn— mistake, not she had sent it, wnicn deds— mistake, not she had sent it, which begs the— mistake, not she had sent it, which begs the question, did she ociwoiiw— which begs the question, did she ociwoiiw wriie — which begs the question, did she actually write this— which begs the question, did she actually write this or was it some assistant— actually write this or was it some assistant that wrote it? and— some assistant that wrote it? and os— some assistant that wrote it? and os wow— some assistant that wrote it? and as you said— some assistant that wrote it? and as you said ,_ some assistant that wrote it? and as you said , the whip's been and as you said, the whip's been wiindrown— and as you said, the whip's been wiindrown .— and as you said, the whip's been withdrawn . and— and as you said, the whip's been withdrawn . and i— and as you said, the whip's been withdrawn . and i think that is withdrawn. and i think that is very— withdrawn. and i think that is very decisive— withdrawn. and i think that is very decisive of— withdrawn. and i think that is very decisive of keir starmer ond— very decisive of keir starmer ond ids— very decisive of keir starmer ond its me— very decisive of keir starmer and it's the right— very decisive of keir starmer and it's the right thing to do. and— and it's the right thing to do. and sne— and it's the right thing to do. and sne nos— and it's the right thing to do. and she has apologised. we snowid— and she has apologised. we snowid sow.— and she has apologised. we snowid sow. — and she has apologised. we should say. “43?“ iii?" . should say. yeah, i don't think she was suggesting that someone else sent her in or whatever she says writing regarding my says i'm writing regarding my letter that was recently published in the observer. i wish unreservedly wish to wholly and unreservedly withdraw my remarks and disassociate from them. disassociate myself from them. the errors arose in an initial draft being sent out, but there is excuse and i wish to is no excuse and i wish to apologise for any anguish cause then on from there. then it goes on from there. i wish to disassociate myself from getting dominique's name wrong . getting dominique's name wrong. too late. there's an audience. that's what i mean. it doesn't quite work like that, doesn't it? i don't get to disassociate myself from something. i

literally a few moments literally said a few moments ago, and those are her opinions is honest, because they're is to be honest, because they're very opinions. do you very common opinions. do you think racist ? very common opinions. do you think racist? diane very common opinions. do you think racist ? diane abbott think she's racist? diane abbott i'm not going to comment on whether she personally harbours hatred towards people of a different race, but i think that why why wouldn't you have a view on that? because i don't know ner— on that? because i don't know me oersonoiiw— on that? because i don't know her personally and— iii" 33.7 because i don't know her personally and she's iii" �*a..7 because i don't know her personally and she's not soid— her personally and she's not soid onwrnine— her personally and she's not said anything that would suggest she said anything that would suggest sne eenwineiw— said anything that would suggest she genuinely harbours hatred for she genuinely harbours hatred ior oiner— she genuinely harbours hatred for other people. _ she genuinely harbours hatred for other people. however she is part— for other people. however she is non oi— for other people. however she is non oi o— for other people. however she is part of a culture— for other people. however she is part of a culture that we're seeing— part of a culture that we're seeing iodow— part of a culture that we're seeing iodow .— part of a culture that we're seeing today , whether knowingly seeing today, whether knowingly or wnmowinew— seeing today, whether knowingly or wnmowinew .— seeing today, whether knowingly or unknowingly , of perpetuating or unknowingly, of perpetuating this or unknowingly, of perpetuating inis ideo— or unknowingly, of perpetuating this idea that— or unknowingly, of perpetuating this idea that white people con-i— this idea that white people can't experience racism. and i-we— can't experience racism. and he soid— can't experience racism. and he soid mis— can't experience racism. and i've said this many times that wine— i've said this many times that wniie reorie— i've said this many times that white people can't experience racism because _ white people can't experience racism because if— white people can't experience racism because if you actually rook— racism because if you actually door or— racism because if you actually ioow oi wnoi— racism because if you actually look at what the— racism because if you actually look at what the definition of is.— look at what the definition of racism is, it's— look at what the definition of racism is, it's the— look at what the definition of racism is, it's the belief that oiner— racism is, it's the belief that die oces— racism is, it's the belief that other races have— racism is, it's the belief that other races have characteristics or ieoiwres— other races have characteristics or features that— other races have characteristics or features that render them superior— or features that render them swoerioror— or features that render them superior or inferior. and, you know— superior or inferior. and, you know .— superior or inferior. and, you know , whether— superior or inferior. and, you know , whether you're black or know, whether you're black or wniie.— know, whether you're black or wniie. wow — know, whether you're black or wniie. you con— know, whether you're black or white, you can have those views of white, you can have those views oi diiiereni— white, you can have those views of different races— white, you can have those views of different races and we've wniie— of different races and we've seen white people experience

we-we— seen white people experience racism. we've seen jewish people eoeiece— racism. we've seen jewish people experience horrific— racism. we've seen jewish people experience horrific racism, and iroweiiers— experience horrific racism, and travellers experience it as travellers can experience it as weir.— travellers can experience it as weii. and— travellers can experience it as well. and what— travellers can experience it as well. and what that actually does.— well. and what that actually does,_intends. well. and what that actuallyi does,_intends to well. and what that actually. does,_intends to do does, whether she intends to do mis— does, whether she intends to do ins-nor.— does, whether she intends to do inislnoi. is— does, whether she intends to do inislnoi. is ii— does, whether she intends to do this-not, is it does- this or not, is it does oemeiwoie- this or not, is it does perpetuate anti white sentiment . and— perpetuate anti white sentiment . and decose— perpetuate anti white sentiment . and because it— perpetuate anti white sentiment . and because it says that white people— . and because it says that white ww“! oen-i— . and because it says that white people aren't deserving of the iewei— people aren't deserving of the same level of— people aren't deserving of the same level of compassion as dioce— same level of compassion as diock reorie— same level of compassion as black people, and i think that's comoieieiw— black people, and i think that's completely wrong. and what it ociwoiiw— completely wrong. and what it ocidoiiw does— completely wrong. and what it actually does is— completely wrong. and what it actually does is i— completely wrong. and what it actually does is i feel like it deliberately— actually does is i feel like it deliberately stokes up division, but deliberately stokes up division, dwi ii— deliberately stokes up division, but it deliberately stokes up mis— but it deliberately stokes up inis ideo— but it deliberately stokes up this idea within— but it deliberately stokes up this idea within black people inor— this idea within black people do no— this idea within black people that no other— this idea within black people that no other race has experienced - that no other race has experienced anything comparable . m— experienced anything comparable . aii so— experienced anything comparable . all so therefore— experienced anything comparable . all so therefore we must be given— . all so therefore we must be given soecioi— . all so therefore we must be given special treatment. and wniisi— given special treatment. and wniisi i— given special treatment. and whilst i understand that the transatlantic _ whilst i understand that the transatlantic slave trade is a very— transatlantic slave trade is a very unique— transatlantic slave trade is a very unique thing , but doesn't very unique thing, but doesn't inor— very unique thing, but doesn't mean that other— very unique thing, but doesn't mean that other races can't edeience— mean that other races can't experience racism, and we saw inor— experience racism, and we saw no in— experience racism, and we saw no in me— experience racism, and we saw that in the survey— experience racism, and we saw that in the survey itself where icono— that in the survey itself where roma were even— that in the survey itself where roma were even more likely than rewisn— roma were even more likely than rewisn deodie— roma were even more likely than rewisn deodie io— roma were even more likely than jewish people to say they'd eoderienced— jewish people to say they'd experienced a _ jewish people to say they'd experienced a racial assault or inside.— experienced a racial assault or inswiis. and— experienced a racial assault or inswiis. and i— experienced a racial assault or insults. and i think that's redw— insults. and i think that's really done— insults. and i think that's really quite interesting as weir.— really quite interesting as weii. so— really quite interesting as well. so it's— really quite interesting as well. so it's not just a black versus white _ well. so it's not just a black versus white thing. ' r: versus white thing. and as you say .— versus white thing. and as you say , dominique, i mean, you say, dominique, i mean, you know, this is islam phobia.

there's all sorts of attitudes to different people all that are racist. and i just i can't think what she thought she would achieve by doing this. and it strikes me that , you know, one strikes me that, you know, one assumes she is a bright woman . i assumes she is a bright woman. i have met her and i have done worked alongside her and she certainly tells you she's a bright woman and she certainly wanted to be labour home secretary. what do you mean? she redis— secretary. what do you mean? she ieiis wow— secretary. what do you mean? she ieiis wow inor— secretary. what do you mean? she tells you that she's— secretary. what do you mean? she tells you that she's a— cg what do you mean? she tells you that she's a bright woman? well,— tells you that she's a bright woman? well, i'm just wondering now— woman? well, i'm just wondering now-ininwind— woman? well, i'm just wondering how-thinking-as- woman? well, i'm just wondering how thinking as well. how was thinking that as well. doesn-i— how was thinking that as well. doesn-i wow— how was thinking that as well. doesn't walk around saying i'm a midni— doesn't walk around saying i'm a diem-sinew— doesn't walk around saying i'm a bright-surely-tells. bright woman. surely she tells you— bright woman. surely she tells wow-oiowi— bright woman. surely she tells wow-odour now- bright woman. surely she tells you about how she to you a lot about how she got to comdridde.— you a lot about how she got to cambridge,-and- you a lot about how she got to cambridge,-and so- you a lot about how she got to cambridge, and so did cambridge, right? and so did dominic—that- cambridge, right? and so did. dominic—that doesn't dominic raab. so that doesn't prove anything, does it, really? yeah. but i just. i think, yeah. but i just. i just think, you know, why, when you've you know, why. why, when you've achieved lot, blow it on achieved such a lot, blow it on something that she must be so well aware of. and it's not the first time that she's made these sort of blunders and had to apologise. do you remember she got muddled up with the number of police officers or police

officers salary or something like that on a radio phone, and it was a bit of both, wasn't it? it was on nick ferrari, if i remember correctly, where she sowing.— remember correctly, where she sayingr on.— remember correctly, where she was saying, oh, we're going to put— was saying, oh, we're going to dd inese— was saying, oh, we're going to put these police— was saying, oh, we're going to put these police officers this mwcn. — put these police officers this mwcn. and— put these police officers this much. and when— put these police officers this much. and when you put it down per much. and when you put it down der derson— much. and when you put it down der derson ii— much. and when you put it down per person, it was— much. and when you put it down per person, it was very little money — per person, it was very little moev and— per person, it was very little money. and she- per person, it was very little money. ' money. and she also said, you know, years ago that only know, some years ago that only west indian mothers cared enough about children send about their children to send them . and, you them to private school. and, you know, just she's a little know, she's just she's a little bit chaotic. let's say, and she should be much more disciplined to be this senior and this experience. she to be this senior and this experience . she can't be experience. she can't be disciplined— experience. she can't be disciplined when - ri;rtri she can't be disciplined when this ri;tri she can't be disciplined when this is what sne— disciplined when this is what sne eenwineiw— disciplined when this is what she genuinely believes . i mean, she genuinely believes. i mean, i-we— she genuinely believes. i mean, we dersonoiiw— she genuinely believes. i mean, i've personally heard it so many iimes— i've personally heard it so many iimes irom— i've personally heard it so many times from other— i've personally heard it so many times from other black people to be times from other black people to de nonem— times from other black people to be honest, that,— times from other black people to be honest, that, you know, white deodie— be honest, that, you know, white deodie con-i— be honest, that, you know, white people can't experience racism. inis— people can't experience racism. inis is— people can't experience racism. inis is o— people can't experience racism. this is a common— people can't experience racism. this is a common belief. so the eddy— this is a common belief. so the reoiiiw is— this is a common belief. so the reality is when— this is a common belief. so the reality is when she— this is a common belief. so the reality is when she wrote that ieiien— reality is when she wrote that ieiier. sne— reality is when she wrote that letter, she wasn't— reality is when she wrote that letter, she wasn't aware of morning— letter, she wasn't aware of onwinine inor— letter, she wasn't aware of anything that she said that was wrong — anything that she said that was wrong i— anything that she said that was wrong iininw— anything that she said that was wrong. i think that's just one of wrong. i think that's just one oi ine— wrong. i think that's just one oi ine minds.— wrong. i think that's just one of the things, the truth of it, oi— of the things, the truth of it, oi ine — of the things, the truth of it, one of the things that i found dwiie—

one of the things that i found quite interesting— one of the things that i found quite interesting is so the oridinoi— quite interesting is so the original comment is original original comment is the original diece— original comment is the original diece inor— original comment is the original piece that published . " piece that was published. this woe-onem— piece that was published. this was-about this— piece that was published. this was.about this survey- piece that was published. this was about this survey that was all about this survey that had conducted rooted in the had been conducted rooted in the uk. was all about uk citizens uk. it was all about uk citizens experience of life within the uk . so that's what she was actually responding to. and what i really interesting, i found really interesting, dominic, was that what she'd done her kind of rebuttal to done in her kind of rebuttal to that. order to deny the that. so in order to deny the experience of uk citizens, she'd brought in these experiences from completely different countries . so whether it's your countries. so whether it's your likes of america , whether it's likes of america, whether it's your likes of south africa , and your likes of south africa, and i do find it fascinating how many people they do seem to be quite keen to take the problems, the flaws of particularly countries like america and pick them up and put them into the uk and act as though the uk is a mirror image of the challenges within, say, america . yeah, why within, say, america. yeah, why do people do that ? i mean, it's do people do that? i mean, it's just do people do that? i mean, it's iwsi coniioiind— do people do that? i mean, it's just conflating the— do people do that? i mean, it's just conflating the two,- r:rir r:rir �*a..7 i mean, it's just conflating the two, but is— just conflating the two, but its eosw— just conflating the two, but its eosw io — just conflating the two, but it's easy to because sort of the

dioce— it's easy to because sort of the diock sirweeie— it's easy to because sort of the black struggle in— it's easy to because sort of the black struggle in a way. is it reoiiw— black struggle in a way. is it really coes— black struggle in a way. is it really comes from america. inoi-s— really comes from america. that's where— really comes from america. that's where the activism comes iron.— that's where the activism comes irom. inoi-s— that's where the activism comes from. that's where— that's where the activism comes from. that's where a lot of the eieme— from. that's where a lot of the extreme opinions— from. that's where a lot of the extreme opinions come from. and, you know.— extreme opinions come from. and, you know yeah-— extreme opinions come from. and, you know weon. s— extreme opinions come from. and, you know, yeah. s you know, indiond— you know, yeah. s you know, indiond .— you know, yeah. s you know, england , britain— you know, yeah. s you know, england , britain has had and has england, britain has had and has a england, britain has had and has o nisiow— england, britain has had and has o nisiow wiin— england, britain has had and has a history with racism in americo— a history with racism in america. it— a history with racism in america. it was very specific wnee— america. it was very specific wnee wow — america. it was very specific where, you know,— america. it was very specific where, you know, you couldn't morn— where, you know, you couldn't marry someone of— where, you know, you couldn't marry someone of a different race, you couldn't vote . you race, you couldn't vote. you mow.— race, you couldn't vote. you know you— race, you couldn't vote. you know you nod— race, you couldn't vote. you know, you had to- race, you couldn't vote. you know, you had to sit the back of the know, you had to sit the back of me dds— know, you had to sit the back of me dds dike— know, you had to sit the back of the bus like she— know, you had to sit the back of the bus like she said. you know, mere— the bus like she said. you know, inere wos— the bus like she said. you know, inere o— the bus like she said. you know, there was a civil— the bus like she said. you know, there was a civil war to ociwoiiw— there was a civil war to actually keep- there was a civil war to actually keep slavery arnie iieonwnie— actually keep slavery arnie meanwhile, britain was odoiisnind— meanwhile, britain was abolishing it. and think it is abolishing it. and i think it is redw— abolishing it. and i think it is really dangerous— abolishing it. and i think it is really dangerous to conflate mose— really dangerous to conflate inose iwo— really dangerous to conflate those two distinct histories decose— those two distinct histories decose ii— those two distinct histories because it it— those two distinct histories because it it brings sort of the grievous— because it it brings sort of the eriewows doss— because it it brings sort of the grievous loss together and it mores— grievous loss together and it mores ii— grievous loss together and it makes it hard— grievous loss together and it makes it hard to— grievous loss together and it makes it hard to separate the mo— makes it hard to separate the iwo in— makes it hard to separate the iwo in o— makes it hard to separate the iwo in o wow— makes it hard to separate the two in a way that— makes it hard to separate the two in a way that i think is nisioric.— two in a way that i think is historic. hinckley inaccurate decowsewow— historic. hinckley inaccurate because, you know, when she said moi.— because, you know, when she said inoi. wow— because, you know, when she said me you mow.— because, you know, when she said that, you know, white people nove— that, you know, white people have never experienced slavery, i have never experienced slavery, i-inoi-s— have never experienced slavery, i-inoi-s-noi- have never experienced slavery, i -that's- not not - i mean, that's just not not irre— i mean, that's just not not imeliie— i mean, that's just not not imeliie — i mean, that's just not not true,.it? yeah,- i mean, that's just not not true, it? “43?“ t true, is it? yeah, factually, historically inaccurate. it's just device as well. well, just a device as well. well, it's so divisive— just a device as well. well, it's so divisive and- just a device as well. well, it's so divisive and i- r:ri. tri. well, it's so divisive and i think, you— it's so divisive and i think, you know.— it's so divisive and i think, you know, what- it's so divisive and i think, you know, what remains to be

seen is whether— you know, what remains to be seen is whether she will ociwoiiw— seen is whether she will actually stand- seen is whether she will actually stand at the next eieciion. — actually stand at the next election. do— actually stand at the next election. do you think she snowide— election. do you think she should? -think- election. do you think she should? think that's should? well, i think that's a mower— should? well, i think that's a mower-ine— should? well, i think that's a matter the labour party and matter for the labour party and her constituents— matter for the labour party and her constituents hackney. her constituents in hackney. i don-i— her constituents in hackney. i don-i inimi— her constituents in hackney. i don't think it's— her constituents in hackney. i don't think it's you know, it's eosw— don't think it's you know, it's eosw io— don't think it's you know, it's eosw ro cori— don't think it's you know, it's easy to call for— don't think it's you know, it's easy to call for somebody's resienoiion— easy to call for somebody's resignation. i— easy to call for somebody's resignation. i don't think it ociwoiiw— resignation. i don't think it actually means— resignation. i don't think it actually means anything. you mow.— actually means anything. you know wnoi— actually means anything. you know, what will— actually means anything. you know, what will happen now? mere— know, what will happen now? mere-de— know, what will happen now? mere-de on— know, what will happen now? there be an investigation there will be an investigation an there will be an investigation on-odoiodised.- there will be an investigation an apologised, she's an she's apologised, she's had the an she's apologised, she's had inc—ine- an she's apologised, she's hadi ine—ine wnid the whip withdrawn. if the whip is-ond— the whip withdrawn. if the whip is-ond inen— is restored and then theoretically she can stand as iodowr— theoretically she can stand as labour candidate— theoretically she can stand as labour candidate in hackney if sne— labour candidate in hackney if sne doesn-i— labour candidate in hackney if she doesn't get— labour candidate in hackney if she doesn't get the whip with resiored — she doesn't get the whip with resiored .— she doesn't get the whip with restored , then— she doesn't get the whip with restored , then she finds herself restored, then she finds herself in me— restored, then she finds herself in me some— restored, then she finds herself in the same position as her very dose— in the same position as her very ciose oiiw— in the same position as her very close ally. jeremy— in the same position as her very close ally. jeremy corbyn would sne — close ally. jeremy corbyn would sne siond— close ally. jeremy corbyn would sne siond os— close ally. jeremy corbyn would she stand as an— close ally. jeremy corbyn would she stand as an independent odoinsi— she stand as an independent odoinsi o— she stand as an independent against a labour— she stand as an independent against a labour candidate? 'r: against a labour candidate? and this against a labour candidate? and inis is— against a labour candidate? and inis is me— against a labour candidate? and this is the thing— against a labour candidate? and this is the thing i— against a labour candidate? and this is the thing i do— against a labour candidate? and this is the thing i do believe that it should be up to her constituents to decide this. however i take issue with keir starmer's sort of attitude with this because it's clearly politically motivated and there is a legacy of anti—semitism within the labour party. it's what a lot of people are focussed on. he's acted really, really thrown the hammer on jeremy corbyn and basically

wiped out his career as an mp, despite the fact that keir starmer himself was part of the labour shadow government. when jeremy corbyn was leader. i mean, he campaigned to make this man prime minister diane abbott was in the shadow cabinet as well. i just struggled to believe that, you know, this is genuine outrage and his response is genuine. when he was part of a shadow government, when all of these issues with anti—semitism was going on, i think it really is a play to gain public favour for the next election. genuinely opens you at home as well. what do you think? to that— opens you at home as well. what do you think? to that final- do you think? to that final doinie — do you think? to that final point? well,— do you think? to that final point? well, i— do you think? to that final point? �*fri�*rim. do you think? to that final point? "

anti—semitism within the labour party that he leads . well, what party that he leads. well, what do you mink— party that he leads. well, what do you think of— party that he leads. well, what do you think of it— party that he leads. well, what do you think of it all?- : well, what do you think of it all? all the goings— do you think of it all? all the goings on— do you think of it all? all the goings on or— do you think of it all? all the goings on at home. your thoughts . ine— goings on at home. your thoughts . we used— goings on at home. your thoughts .ine wswoi wows— goings on at home. your thoughts , the usual ways .— goings on at home. your thoughts , the usual ways . when i come , the usual ways. when i come dock.— , the usual ways. when i come dock. iii— , the usual ways. when i come back, i'll have— , the usual ways. when i come back, i'll have some of your inowdnis. — back, i'll have some of your thoughts. but— back, i'll have some of your thoughts. but i— back, i'll have some of your thoughts. but i also want to ask you— thoughts. but i also want to ask you os— thoughts. but i also want to ask you os weir— thoughts. but i also want to ask you as well about— thoughts. but i also want to ask you as well about care homes. are— you as well about care homes. are you— you as well about care homes. are you in— you as well about care homes. are you in one— you as well about care homes. are you in one? i— you as well about care homes. are you in one? i don't know. vow— are you in one? i don't know. you midni— are you in one? i don't know. you mieni de— are you in one? i don't know. you might be watching this from your— you might be watching this from your nome— you might be watching this from your care home about apparently deeded— your care home about apparently deeded-ore— your care home about apparently 400,000-are in- your care home about apparently 400,000 are in care homes your care home about apparently 401the10 are in care homes your care home about apparently 401the elderly are in care homes your care home about apparently 401the elderly inare in care homes your care home about apparently 401the elderly in thisn care homes your care home about apparently 401the elderly in this countryomes for the elderly in this country . dwi— for the elderly in this country . dwi wowid— for the elderly in this country . but would .trust- for the elderly in this country . but would trust a care . but would you trust a care nome— . but would you trust a care nome io— . but would you trust a care home to look— . but would you trust a care home to look after your loved one— home to look after your loved one? apparently,— home to look after your loved one? apparently, half of doiiino— one? apparently, half of polling, half— one? apparently, half of polling, half of you apparently . occordind— polling, half of you apparently . occordind io— polling, half of you apparently , according to polling, says no ivou— , according to polling, says no .wow wowidn-i. — , according to polling, says no , you wouldn't. are you one of meme— , you wouldn't. are you one of ineme dee— , you wouldn't. are you one of ineme see you—

of things that you're listening to . gb news of things that you're listening to. gb news high their of things that you're listening to . gb news high their welcome to. gb news high their welcome back. i'm michelle dewberry keedind— back. i'm michelle dewberry keedine you— t i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company right inrowdn— keeping you company right through till— keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight. the doiiiicoi— through till 7:00 tonight. the political commentator joe dniiiids— political commentator joe phillips-me- political commentator joe phillips me company, as phillips keeps me company, as does— phillips keeps me company, asi does—broadcaster does the writer and broadcaster dominic— does the writer and broadcaster dominic samuels— does the writer and broadcaster dominic samuels .— does the writer and broadcaster dominic samuels . welcome back, dominic samuels. welcome back, eeonwe -sows— dominic samuels. welcome back, everyone. says, well done, everyone. linda says, well done, iiicieiie— everyone. linda says, well done, michelle. nice— everyone. linda says, well done, michelle. nice to— everyone. linda says, well done, michelle. nice to see an all donei— michelle. nice to see an all woman panel tonight . richard

woman panel tonight. richard sows.— woman panel tonight. richard sows. on.— woman panel tonight. richard says, oh, dominic, joe and iiicneiie.— says, oh, dominic, joe and iiicneiie. o— says, oh, dominic, joe and michelle, a panel of perfection. i-we— michelle, a panel of perfection. i-we doi— michelle, a panel of perfection. i-we eoi nove— michelle, a panel of perfection. i've got have to— michelle, a panel of perfection. i've got have to be— michelle, a panel of perfection. i've got have to be honest , i i've got have to be honest, i ociwoiiw— i've got have to be honest, i actually inserted— i've got have to be honest, i actually inserted myself in mere— actually inserted myself in there because _ actually inserted myself in there because richard didn't meniion— there because richard didn't meniion me— there because richard didn't mention me at— there because richard didn't mention me at all. tell us what he mention me at all. tell us what ne reoiiw— mention me at all. tell us what ne reoiiw soid— mention me at all. tell us what he really said. no,— mention me at all. tell us what he really said. no, he said dominic— he really said. no, he said dominic and— he really said. no, he said dominic and joe a panel of derieciion. — dominic and joe a panel of perfection. but— dominic and joe a panel of perfection. but i- dominic and joe a panel of perfection. but i did feel a wide— perfection. but i did feel a iiiiie dir— perfection. but i did feel a little bit left— perfection. but i did feel a little bit left out. so i hope you— little bit left out. so i hope you don-i— little bit left out. so i hope you don't mind.— little bit left out. so i hope you don't mind. richard and my ego— you don't mind. richard and my ego insened— you don't mind. richard and my ego inserted myself. sorry. won-i— ego inserted myself. sorry. won-i mind— ego inserted myself. sorry. won't mind it— ego inserted myself. sorry. won't mind it did. did, won't mind it did. it did, deien— won't mind it did. it did, peter,-gibbs. i won't mind it did. it did,- peter,-gibbs. idon't peter, says joe gibbs. i don't mink— peter, says joe gibbs. i don't inink dione— peter, says joe gibbs. i don't think diane abbott is racist. i mink— think diane abbott is racist. i inink sne-s— think diane abbott is racist. i inink sne-s o— think diane abbott is racist. i think she's a stupid and she think she's a bit stupid and she snowid— think she's a bit stupid and she snowid-down— think she's a bit stupid and she should down because is should stand down because she is in comdeieni.— should stand down because she is in competent. john— should stand down because she is in competent. john says . of in competent. john says. of course she's— in competent. john says. of course she's a— in competent. john says. of course she's a racist as well as deind— course she's a racist as well as deind o— course she's a racist as well as deine o mossie— course she's a racist as well as being a massive hypocrite. the mosi— being a massive hypocrite. the most charitable— being a massive hypocrite. the most charitable view , if i want most charitable view, if i want to most charitable view, if i want io de— most charitable view, if i want io de kind.— most charitable view, if i want io de kind. is— most charitable view, if i want to be kind, is that— most charitable view, if i want to be kind, is that her racism is unconscious.— to be kind, is that her racism is unconscious. but i suspect is— is unconscious. but i suspect is noi— is unconscious. but i suspect is noi o— is unconscious. but i suspect is noi o dir— is unconscious. but i suspect it's not a bit of— is unconscious. but i suspect it's not a bit of unconscious dios— it's not a bit of unconscious dios mowde. — it's not a bit of unconscious bias maybe. yeah, victoria says. i bias maybe. yeah, victoria says. i wowid— bias maybe. yeah, victoria says. i would definitely— bias maybe. yeah, victoria says. i would definitely keep diane addoii— i would definitely keep diane addoii on— i would definitely keep diane abbott on and— i would definitely keep diane abbott on and not shove her out decose— abbott on and not shove her out decose dwiie— abbott on and not shove her out because quite frankly, she's doing— because quite frankly, she's doing o— because quite frankly, she's doing o dood— because quite frankly, she's doing a good job of embarrassing the doing a good job of embarrassing ine iodowr— doing a good job of embarrassing the labour party.— doing a good job of embarrassing the labour party. i've says pack it the labour party. i've says pack ii in.— the labour party. i've says pack it in. michelle.— the labour party. i've says pack it in. michelle. of— the labour party. i've says pack it in. michelle. of course diane is noi— it in. michelle. of course diane is noi rocisi— it in. michelle. of course diane is not racist. it's— it in. michelle. of course diane is not racist. it's a— it in. michelle. of course diane is not racist. it's a well known ioci— is not racist. it's a well known ioci inor— is not racist. it's a well known ioci inoi onw— is not racist. it's a well known fact that only white people are rocisi. — fact that only white people are rocisi. res.—

fact that only white people are racist. yes, yes.— fact that only white people are racist. yes, yes. mixed views, snowid— racist. yes, yes. mixed views, snowid i— racist. yes, yes. mixed views, snowid i sow— racist. yes, yes. mixed views, snowid i sow .— racist. yes, yes. mixed views, should i say . and- racist. yes, yes. mixed views, should i say . and anthony says should i say. and anthony says dione— should i say. and anthony says diane abbott's— should i say. and anthony says diane abbott's excuse about her oiiensiwe— diane abbott's excuse about her offensive article _ diane abbott's excuse about her offensive article shows what she ociwoiiw— offensive article shows what she actually thinks— offensive article shows what she actually thinks she's clearly anti—semitic,— actually thinks she's clearly anti—semitic, which is racist in men— anti—semitic, which is racist in iiseii .— anti—semitic, which is racist in iiseii . din— anti—semitic, which is racist in itself . off. anyway, keep your itself. off. anyway, keep your inowdnis— itself. off. anyway, keep your thoughts coming in, richard. i mink— thoughts coming in, richard. i inink inis— thoughts coming in, richard. i think this is— thoughts coming in, richard. i think this is a— thoughts coming in, richard. i think this is a different icicnord.— think this is a different richard. he— think this is a different richard. he says in trying to iriwioiise— richard. he says in trying to trivialise the— richard. he says in trying to trivialise the racism suffered by trivialise the racism suffered dw oiner— trivialise the racism suffered by other races— trivialise the racism suffered by other races and minorities, it by other races and minorities, ii sirikes— by other races and minorities, it strikes division— by other races and minorities, it strikes division . i have to it strikes division. i have to say,— it strikes division. i have to so i— it strikes division. i have to so i do— it strikes division. i have to so i do kind— it strikes division. i have to say, i do kind of- it strikes division. i have to say, i do kind of agree with you on inoi. — say, i do kind of agree with you on inoi. iii— say, i do kind of agree with you on that. i'll tell— say, i do kind of agree with you on that. i'll tell you what else sirikes— on that. i'll tell you what else strikes division— on that. i'll tell you what else strikes division as— on that. i'll tell you what else strikes division as well. an ociiwisi— strikes division as well. an activist group— strikes division as well. an activist group have basically owi— activist group have basically come out and— activist group have basically come out and called on the oowernmeni— come out and called on the government to— come out and called on the government to apologise for siowew— government to apologise for siowew ond— government to apologise for slavery and begin a program of redoroiiwe— slavery and begin a program of reparative justice. _ slavery and begin a program of reparative justice. the group is coded— reparative justice. the group is coiied mores— reparative justice. the group is called hares of— reparative justice. the group is called hares of slavery and oddoreniiw— called hares of slavery and apparently includes descendants of apparently includes descendants oiweoiinw— apparently includes descendants of wealthy british _ apparently includes descendants of wealthy british slave owners . inis— of wealthy british slave owners . this conversation— of wealthy british slave owners . this conversation kind of goes oond— . this conversation kind of goes oond ine— . this conversation kind of goes around the block,— . this conversation kind of goes around the block, doesn't it? never— around the block, doesn't it? never reoiiw— around the block, doesn't it? never really goes away. dominique.— never really goes away. dominique, do you think the eowemmeni— dominique, do you think the government, the uk government, snowid— government, the uk government, should apologise— government, the uk government, should apologise for slavery? iirsi— should apologise for slavery? iirsi wn— should apologise for slavery? iirsi on i— should apologise for slavery? first up, i think— should apologise for slavery? first up, i think we— should apologise for slavery? first up, i think we have- should apologise for slavery? first up, i think we have to ask what the motivation is for wanting an apology in the first

place. and i think that a lot of well—meaning activist , it's well—meaning activist, it's i mean, these activists themselves , they're all white, they're all descendants of families that benefited from slavery. for me , benefited from slavery. for me, i just instinctively feel like this is a way for people to expunge feelings of culpability , of guilt about being white and their role in the in the plight of other races. you know, and slavery happened 400 years ago. i'm not sure this is directly about helping black people, though they may think it does. i think it's more about alleviating guilt and personal feelings. and that in itself for me is a selfish motivation because, i mean, what would an apology do? we all know slavery happened. we all know that it was an extremely bad thing . i was an extremely bad thing. i think what would help more is , think what would help more is, you know, an actual conversation about how we can support ethnic minorities in britain, which we do in the form of, you know, quotas in the form of targeted

funding, in the form of charities. we already do many of those things. i think an apology really is about them trying to feel better about themselves rather than black people. and thatis rather than black people. and that is the trend i'm seeing a lot the time. and i don't lot of the time. and i don't think helpful. joe, you're think it's helpful. joe, you're whites. -feel - think it's helpful. joe, you're whites. -feel a - think it's helpful. joe, you're whites.-feel a sense. think it's helpful. joe, you'rei whites.-feel a sense of whites. do you feel a sense of dwind— whites. do you feel a sense of grid res.— whites. do you feel a sense of ewiire yes. i— whites. do you feel a sense of guilt? yes, i do. _ whites. do you feel a sense of guilt? yes, i do. ' 7 guilt? yes, i do. about what? well, i think the fact that you know, it is appalling to think that slave owners were paid for their losses. the government , their losses. the government, their losses. the government, the british government had to borrow the money in 1833 and only paid that debt off in 2015. but with all due respect, i osked— but with all due respect, i osked wow— but with all due respect, i osked you i— but with all due respect, i asked you if you feel guilty. vow— asked you if you feel guilty. vow soid— asked you if you feel guilty. you said yeah.— asked you if you feel guilty. you said yeah. what do you feel dwiiiw— you said yeah. what do you feel ewiirw odowie — you said yeah. what do you feel guilty about? well,— you said yeah. what do you feel guilty about? �*fri�*rim. t guilty about? well, because we have all of us in this country have all of us in this country have benefited . and one way or have benefited. and one way or other from the wealth that came from enslave people. i benefit from enslave people. i benefit from it, though. _ from enslave people. i benefit from it, though. and- from enslave people. i benefit from it, though. and i'm- from it, though. and i'm odsoiwieiw— from it, though. and i'm absolutely a— from it, though. and i'm absolutely a descendant of sioes — absolutely a descendant of sioes dwi— absolutely a descendant of slaves. but i— absolutely a descendant of slaves. but i was actually . slaves. but i was actually. but oisoiwieiw. — slaves. but i was actually. but absolutely. but— slaves. but i was actually. but absolutely. but i— slaves. but i was actually. but absolutely. but i mean, all of us. i think i do. absolutely. can i ask you your honest question? do you honestly albie

nonesiiw— question? do you honestly albie nonesiiw ieei— question? do you honestly albie honestly feel because- : 7 do you honestly albie honestly feel because we all oreed— honestly feel because we all oreed i— honestly feel because we all agree, i think— honestly feel because we all agree, i think any sane minded indiwidwoi— agree, i think any sane minded individual would— agree, i think any sane minded individual would agree that siowew— individual would agree that slavery thinking that a human deind— slavery thinking that a human deind is— slavery thinking that a human being is something to buy and sedi— being is something to buy and seii ond— being is something to buy and sell and mistreat— being is something to buy and sell and mistreat it is. it's me— sell and mistreat it is. it's me iowesi— sell and mistreat it is. it's the lowest of— sell and mistreat it is. it's the lowest of the low. it is odnorreni. — the lowest of the low. it is abhorrent. i'm— the lowest of the low. it is abhorrent. i'm so grateful that, weir.— abhorrent. i'm so grateful that, weii. ociwoiiw— abhorrent. i'm so grateful that, well, actually, people would say mode— well, actually, people would say ode dow— well, actually, people would say modern day slavery does exist, dwi— modern day slavery does exist, dwi dosed— modern day slavery does exist, dwi dosed on— modern day slavery does exist, but based on kind— modern day slavery does exist, but based on kind of what we're iodine— but based on kind of what we're ioikind odowi— but based on kind of what we're talking about historically, it's odnorreni— talking about historically, it's abhorrent and— talking about historically, it's abhorrent and appalling. and i'm very— abhorrent and appalling. and i'm very eroieiwi— abhorrent and appalling. and i'm very eroieiwi ii— abhorrent and appalling. and i'm very grateful it no— abhorrent and appalling. and i'm very grateful it no longer takes dioce— very grateful it no longer takes dioce ine— very grateful it no longer takes dioce rne wow— very grateful it no longer takes place the way it— very grateful it no longer takes place the way it once did. so i comdieieiw— place the way it once did. so i completely share— place the way it once did. so i completely share all that sentiment. _ completely share all that sentiment. but i have to say , as sentiment. but i have to say, as a sentiment. but i have to say, as owniie— sentiment. but i have to say, as a white individual,— sentiment. but i have to say, as a white individual, based on the ioci— a white individual, based on the ioci onw— a white individual, based on the ioci oniw oi— a white individual, based on the ioci only oi me— a white individual, based on the fact only of me being a white indiwidwoi— fact only of me being a white indiwidwoi .— fact only of me being a white individual, i— fact only of me being a white individual, i don't feel guilty odowi— individual, i don't feel guilty about something that happened nwndreds— about something that happened nwndreds oi— about something that happened hundreds of years ago that i had odsoiwieiv— hundreds of years ago that i had absolutely nothing to do with. but absolutely nothing to do with. dwildo— absolutely nothing to do with. dwildo mink— absolutely nothing to do with. butldo think it— absolutely nothing to do with. but do think it was abhorrent but i do think it was abhorrent ond— but i do think it was abhorrent ond-ii— but i do think it was abhorrent and-it fascinating- and i do find it fascinating wnen— and i do find it fascinating wnen .— and i do find it fascinating wnen . vow— and i do find it fascinating when , you know, today in today's when, you know, today in today's socieiv— when, you know, today in today's socieiv .— when, you know, today in today's socieiv . o— when, you know, today in today's society , a white— when, you know, today in today's society , a white person says, society, a white person says, i ieei— society, a white person says, i ieei ewiiiv— society, a white person says, i ieei ewiirv .— society, a white person says, i ieei ewiirv . do— society, a white person says, i feel guilty . do you really feel feel guilty. do you really feel ewiiiv— feel guilty. do you really feel eeie-vow— feel guilty. do you really feel guilty-you just- feel guilty. do you really feel guilty you just saying it guilty or are you just saying it decose— guilty or are you just saying it decowse-vow- guilty or are you just saying it because you should? because you think you should? no, because you think you should? wo-ieei— because you think you should? no,-feel guilty. - because you think you should? no,-feel guilty. i- because you think you should? no, feel guilty. " no, i do feel guilty. i mean, you— no, i do feel guilty. i mean, you know.— no, i do feel guilty. i mean, you know, not wracked with guilt. but but what do you feel

guilty about? i'm trying to wndick— guilty about? i'm trying to wndick ii.— guilty about? i'm trying to wndick ii. i— guilty about? i'm trying to unpick it. i feel— g. ..g .7’ i'm trying to unpick it. i feel guilty that deodie— unpick it. i feel guilty that mode wee— unpick it. i feel guilty that people were-in. unpick it. i feel guilty that. people were-in order people were enslaved in order for people were enslaved in order ior me— people were enslaved in order ior me ond— people were enslaved in order ior me ond mv— people were enslaved in order for me and my ancestors , not for me and my ancestors, not inor— for me and my ancestors, not do inev— for me and my ancestors, not that they were _ for me and my ancestors, not that they were slave owners , that they were slave owners, in. — that they were slave owners, dwi. vow — that they were slave owners, dwi. vow mow.— that they were slave owners, but, you know, for all of us in dis— but, you know, for all of us in dis connin— but, you know, for all of us in this country have— but, you know, for all of us in this country have benefited from inose— this country have benefited from inose deodie— this country have benefited from those people who— this country have benefited from those people who were working as sioes— those people who were working as sioes . — those people who were working as sioes . and— those people who were working as sioes . and i— those people who were working as slaves . and i think— those people who were working as slaves . and i think so- slaves. and i think so therefore, it is a collective responsibility. i completely agree with dominique. i don't feel response for it. i feel , feel response for it. i feel, you know, saddened- �*"ri;ri;. . i feel, you know, saddened by what went isn-i— you know, saddened by what went isn-i ine— you know, saddened by what went on. isn't the same— you know, saddened by what went on. isn't the same as— you know, saddened by what went on. . on. isn't the same as feeling guilty. we know you said collective— g. ..g we know you said collective responsibility . so collective responsibility. so dwi— collective responsibility. so dwi im— collective responsibility. so ddi i-m sowing— collective responsibility. so but i'm saying i'm moving on and sowing— but i'm saying i'm moving on and some i— but i'm saying i'm moving on and sovine i don-i— but i'm saying i'm moving on and saying i don't feel— but i'm saying i'm moving on and saying i don't feel responsible. am i— saying i don't feel responsible. am i o— saying i don't feel responsible. am i a horrible— saying i don't feel responsible. am i a horrible person? no, of course you're not— am i a horrible person? no, of course you're not a— am i a horrible person? no, of course you're not a horrible des — course you're not a horrible derson and— course you're not a horrible person. and-i- course you're not a horrible person. “i course you're not a horrible- person. and-i think, you person. and i and i think, you know, is a huge know, this is a huge conversation which is, do you honestly feel responsible ? yes, honestly feel responsible? yes, i do. well, i feel you , joe. i do. well, i feel you, joe. are you just trying to be nice? no.— are you just trying to be nice? we. im— are you just trying to be nice? we. in noi— are you just trying to be nice? we. i-m nor emine— are you just trying to be nice? no, i'm not trying to- are you just trying to be nice? no, i'm not trying to be- are you just trying to be nice? no, i'm not trying to be nice. people know that. no no. i feel a sense of responsibility and a sense of guilt that we, albeit unknowingly , perhaps have

unknowingly, perhaps have benefited , fitted. and now we benefited, fitted. and now we know better . and we should try know better. and we should try and do something about it. and i do think an apology we do, though we have. well, we have up to though we have. well, we have up io o— though we have. well, we have up io o domi— though we have. well, we have up o o doini. dwi— though we have. well, we have up to a point, but we— though we have. well, we have up to a point, but we haven't- g well, we have up to a point, but we haven't done an to a point, but we haven't done on odoioev— to a point, but we haven't done on odoioev irom — to a point, but we haven't done an apology from who? so who is it an apology from who? so who is ii inoc— an apology from who? so who is ii moi vou— an apology from who? so who is it that you say, well, from the british government, i mean, so you want rishi sunak. well, i was just looking— you want rishi sunak. well, i was just looking up- his“ well, i was just looking up here 3s“ well, i was just looking up here just 3 well, i was just looking up here just to ecno— was just looking up here just to ecno wnoi— was just looking up here just to echo what dominique, just said, i'm echo what dominique, just said, im noi— echo what dominique, just said, im noi deind— echo what dominique, just said, i'm not being facetious, by the wav- — i'm not being facetious, by the wav- im— i'm not being facetious, by the way. i'm genuinely- i'm not being facetious, by the way. i'm genuinely i- i'm not being facetious, by the way. d way. i'm genuinely i know you understand this, the point understand this, but the point that made about, you know, that you made about, you know, well—meaning people and well—meaning white people and there's a woman called there's a there's a woman called olivia a research olivia utley who's a research professor at soas in london, she said it's an important initiative and potentially transformative , but it needs to transformative, but it needs to be more than half a dozen people. and she said it's really imdononi— people. and she said it's really important than— people. and she said it's really important than this— and she said it's really important than this to slavery. and— important than this to slavery. and sne— important than this to slavery. and sne soid— important than this to slavery. and she said it— important than this to slavery. and she said it was really imdononi— and she said it was really imdononi io— and she said it was really important to make sure that the group— important to make sure that the group collaborated with existing moemensi io— group collaborated with existing movements to avoid being iodeiied— movements to avoid being labelled white— movements to avoid being labelled white saviours. now, wnoi— labelled white saviours. now, wnoi i— labelled white saviours. now, wnoi i mink— labelled white saviours. now, what i think has— labelled white saviours. now, what i think has happened is since— what i think has happened is ionio— what i think has happened is since laura trevelyan, the bbc correspondent,— since laura trevelyan, the bbc correspondent, gave up her job

correspondent, gave up herjob in order— correspondent, gave up herjob in order io— correspondent, gave up herjob in order to work— correspondent, gave up herjob in order to work full time on redoroiions— in order to work full time on reparations for— in order to work full time on reparations for her family's roie— reparations for her family's roie in— reparations for her family's roie in me— reparations for her family's role in the slave trade . and the role in the slave trade. and the conersoioni— role in the slave trade. and the conversation has— role in the slave trade. and the conversation has opened up again sice— conversation has opened up again ine— conversation has opened up again ine oween— conversation has opened up again since the queen died and since kind— since the queen died and since king modes.— since the queen died and since king charles. well, it's coming to king charles. well, it's coming io mv— king charles. well, it's coming ro mv worn— king charles. well, it's coming ro mv worrv oeoin— king charles. well, it's coming to my worry again is just that odom— to my worry again is just that odoin .— to my worry again is just that oeoin . een— to my worry again is just that again , even with— to my worry again is just that again , even with the bbc again, even with the bbc doiiiicoi— again, even with the bbc political correspondent that you meniioned— political correspondent that you meniioned. vow— political correspondent that you mentioned, you know, it's about her mentioned, you know, it's about men iomiiv. — mentioned, you know, it's about her family. it's— mentioned, you know, it's about her family. it's about- mentioned, you know, it's about her family. . her family. it's about her really . it's not about black really. it's not about black people . and what i think would people. and what i think would be more beneficial is why don't you actually look at some charities that would benefit , charities that would benefit, you know, black people in the inner city, maybe, i don't know, or just working class people in general. regardless of race or. yeah, or maybe in the caribbean, you know, focus on now instead of wanting to drag black people back to a past and link us to it, it's actually quite traumatic, the idea that, you know, we were beaten , raped, put know, we were beaten, raped, put in zoos in prison. know, we were beaten, raped, put in zoos in prison . you know, a in zoos in prison. you know, a lot of us don't actually want to dwell on that. we want to focus on future. and actually the on the future. and actually the fact that black history

fact that much of black history isn't even about slavery yet . isn't even about slavery yet. we're constantly associated with it. it's like a battering ram that people. yes, well meaning use to alleviate themselves of guilt. and it's so annoying. i find it really annoying. no, i completely get that. - find it really annoying. no, i completely get that. and there is nothing worse than middle class, you know, white middle class, you know, white middle class, liberal guilt dressed up . you're doing you're .you're doing well. you're entitled to your opinion. but you ask me, but you ask me a question. and i gave you an honest answer . yeah, that's honest answer. yeah, that's ioir. — honest answer. yeah, that's ioir. -oe — honest answer. yeah, that's ioin-ore vow- honest answer. yeah, that's fair. -are you at- honest answer. yeah, that's. fair.-are you at home fair. are you are you at home woicnind— fair. are you are you at home worming-are- fair. are you are you at home watching are white? fair. are you are you at home- watching-are-white? do watching this? are you white? do you ieei— watching this? are you white? do vow ieei ids— watching this? are you white? do vow ieei is o— watching this? are you white? do you feel it's a joe's— watching this? are you white? do you feel it's a joe's point ? not you feel it's a joe's point? not ewiiiv— you feel it's a joe's point? not ewiiiv e— you feel it's a joe's point? not ewiirv e do— you feel it's a joe's point? not ewiirv e do vow— you feel it's a joe's point? not guilty ? do you feel a collective guilty? do you feel a collective oi— guilty? do you feel a collective sense of responsibility? joe sows— sense of responsibility? joe sovsves— sense of responsibility? joe sovs ves. sne— sense of responsibility? joe says yes, she does. she thinks odoioeies— says yes, she does. she thinks apologies would— says yes, she does. she thinks apologies would go a long way. i'm apologies would go a long way. im noi— apologies would go a long way. im noi swe— apologies would go a long way. i'm not sure to— apologies would go a long way. i'm not sure to achieve what, dwi— i'm not sure to achieve what, dwi moi-s— i'm not sure to achieve what, dwi inoi-s o— i'm not sure to achieve what, but that's a view.— i'm not sure to achieve what, but that's a view. i don't know. movie— but that's a view. i don't know. iiovde im— but that's a view. i don't know. movie in insi— but that's a view. i don't know. maybe i'm just an— but that's a view. i don't know. maybe i'm just an awful human. i don-i— maybe i'm just an awful human. i don-i mow.— maybe i'm just an awful human. i don't know. maybe— maybe i'm just an awful human. i don't know. maybe i'm missing someinind— don't know. maybe i'm missing something here.— don't know. maybe i'm missing something here. but i whilst i mink— something here. but i whilst i mm is— something here. but i whilst i think it's appalling, i don't ieei— think it's appalling, i don't ieei ine— think it's appalling, i don't feel the need— think it's appalling, i don't feel the need with all due resdeci.— feel the need with all due respect, dominique, to sit and odoiodise— respect, dominique, to sit and odoioeise ior— respect, dominique, to sit and apologise for something that noddened.— apologise for something that

noddened. i— apologise for something that happened. i don't want you to. inoi-s— happened. i don't want you to. inoi-s ine— happened. i don't want you to. that's the thing.— happened. i don't want you to. that's the thing. exactly. and mis— that's the thing. exactly. and dis is— that's the thing. exactly. and dis is wnoi— that's the thing. exactly. and this is what i— that's the thing. exactly. and this is what i mean. tr?“ this is what i mean. but you can apologise, guys, and say that, you know, we as the british government, regret an apologise. for now. let's have a conversation and do what? but because there their goal- because there their goal is this wide— because there their goal is this wnoie ideo— because there their goal is this whole idea of— because there their goal is this whole idea of reparations, which you whole idea of reparations, which won mow.— whole idea of reparations, which wow know is— whole idea of reparations, which you know, is another can of worms and how— you know, is another can of worms and how would that work? it worms and how would that work? ii doesn-i— worms and how would that work? it doesn't look— worms and how would that work? it doesn't look at— worms and how would that work? it doesn't look at the demographics of the uk right vow— demographics of the uk right now. you know,— demographics of the uk right now. you know, there's caribbean deodie— now. you know, there's caribbean deodie. mere-s— now. you know, there's caribbean people, there's african immigrants— people, there's african immigrants ,- people, there's african immigrants , there's mixed race immigrants, there's mixed race deodie— immigrants, there's mixed race deodie. i— immigrants, there's mixed race deodie. i meon— immigrants, there's mixed race people. i mean, how does it worke— people. i mean, how does it worke why?— people. i mean, how does it work? why? but— people. i mean, how does it work? why? but that's why you need — work? why? but that's why you need io — work? why? but that's why you need io nove— work? why? but that's why you need to have conversation with coriddeon— need to have conversation with caribbean countries who are so neowiiv— caribbean countries who are so heavily dependent on tourism, wnicn— heavily dependent on tourism, wnicn is— heavily dependent on tourism, which is absolutely taken a hit since— which is absolutely taken a hit since covm. _ which is absolutely taken a hit since covm. while- which is absolutely taken a hit since covid. ltd" : since covid. while we need to talk to other i mean, clive lewis, the labour mp, led a debate on this in the commons recently and he was really good about how does the cost of living crisis and there are many black people suffering in this country right now as a result of the living crisis, the cost of living crisis, irrespective what's on irrespective of what's going on in caribbean. it just feels

in the caribbean. it just feels siwdid— in the caribbean. it just feels siwdid .— in the caribbean. it just feels siwdid . weir— in the caribbean. it just feels stupid . well different- " " it just feels stupid . well different of stupid. well different of odinions— stupid. well different of opinions on— stupid. well different of opinions on that topic in here ionidni. — opinions on that topic in here tonight. what— opinions on that topic in here tonight. what do- opinions on that topic in here tonight. r:rir . tonight. what do you make of it at home? get in touch with me. i'm fascinated to hear your views. all the usual. we're also are you a young'un ? have you got are you a young'un? have you got are you a young'un? have you got a young'un? 25 year old drivers and younger? do you think they should be able to carry young passengers maybe in their first year of driver or not? i'll see you

join us here on gb news the deodie-s— join us here on gb news the people's channel. britain is woicnind— people's channel. britain is woicnind .— people's channel. britain is woicnind . — people's channel. britain is watching . hello- people's channel. britain is watching . tr.ri;i; watching. hello there. i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight alongside me, i've got the political commentator, joe phillips and the writer and broadcaster dominic samuels. we were just about slavery were just talking about slavery a ago before the break a moment ago before the break and saying whether or not as a white person, one should feel guilty apologise , perhaps guilty and apologise, perhaps ask the government to pay some form of reparations . and i think form of reparations. and i think i've come up with a in i've come up with a plan in the break. joe guilty. she break. joe feels guilty. she feels of collective

feels a sense of collective response ability. dominique said she descendant from slave, she was descendant from slave, so i've come up with a solution. everyone jerk and give a percentage of her fee to dominique as a way of collective responsibility. reparations? yes please. sorted. there we go . you please. sorted. there we go. you should have me on government. central government . actually. central government. actually. where's my ambitions? i sort it all out , tim says. how on earth all out, tim says. how on earth have i benefited from slavery? i was born educated, got a trade and got a job, mike says. i just don't feel guilty for something that happened before me . it that happened before me. it would have been for those people to apologise. lots of people getting in touch and saying, but what about the role that britain played in actually helping to aboush played in actually helping to abolish slavery ? matt makes abolish slavery? matt makes a good point as well. he says, what about the slavery that's happening today yes, you're happening today? yes, you're quite slavery quite right. modern day slavery is thing, he says. why is still a thing, he says. why don't anyone concentrate and focus that anyway , keep your focus on that anyway, keep your thoughts coming in. let's talk focus on that anyway, keep your thrhome, coming in. let's talk focus on that anyway, keep your thrhome, comirwe?. let's talk focus on that anyway, keep your thrhome, comirwe? do t's talk focus on that anyway, keep your thrhome, comirwe? do you alk focus on that anyway, keep your thrhome, comirwe? do you have a at home, shall we? do you have a loved care home? loved one in a care home?

because as a poll issued today, it was done by the guardian, i think showed that half of british public lacked confidence . is that family or friends would looked after. and would be looked after. and apparently of older apparently nine out of ten older people that there are not people said that there are not enough care homes. 1 in enough staff in care homes. 1 in 10 care home care worker , should 10 care home care worker, should i say, currently vacant . and i say, currently vacant. and lots of us think that care workers are indeed underpaid . workers are indeed underpaid. two thirds of us. i think you're you don't mind me saying i asked you this earlier on. your mum is in a care home. that's why i can't afford to give her any reparations. i'll tell you. no, you can't go back. you can't go back on it. now. we've struck a deal back on it. now. we've struck a deal. it's on national television. sorted dominique is in the money. yep. so tell me. so my mum is in a care home. sne-s— so my mum is in a care home. sne-s dd.— so my mum is in a care home. she's 92. she's— so my mum is in a care home. she's 92. she's blind, and she's got alzheimer's.— she's 92. she's blind, and she's got alzheimer's. my dad died dosi— got alzheimer's. my dad died iosi veor— got alzheimer's. my dad died iosr veor ond— got alzheimer's. my dad died last year and up— got alzheimer's. my dad died last year and up until about a veor— last year and up until about a veor odo— last year and up until about a veor oeo. inev— last year and up until about a year ago, they were both well deiore— before he died. obviously they weeon—d- before he died. obviously they weeon—d wel before he died. obviously theyi were—and we had before he died. obviously they. were—and we had a were both at home and we had a dive— were both at home and we had a dive in— were both at home and we had a dive in — were both at home and we had a live in carer. now— were both at home and we had a live in carer. now that's fine. if live in carer. now that's fine. ii vow-we— live in carer. now that's fine. ii vow-we doi— live in carer. now that's fine. if you've got the _ live in carer. now that's fine. if you've got the space and you oiiord— if you've got the space and you can afford it.— if you've got the space and you can afford it. but— if you've got the space and you can afford it. but my mum to can afford it. but my mum got to the can afford it. but my mum got to me domi— can afford it. but my mum got to me mini-sne—

can afford it. but my mum got to the point she needed more the point where she needed more nursing— the point where she needed more nwrsind coe— the point where she needed more nursing care, so we— the point where she needed more nursing care, so we had to make the nursing care, so we had to make me decision— nursing care, so we had to make the decision to— nursing care, so we had to make the decision to put— nursing care, so we had to make the decision to put into the decision to put her into residential— the decision to put her into residential care— the decision to put her into residential care . and i tell residential care. and i tell you,— residential care. and i tell your ond— residential care. and i tell you. ond im— residential care. and i tell you, and i'm there are you, and i'm sure there are mono.— you, and i'm sure there are monw-deodie- you, and i'm sure there are many, people watching and many, many people watching and iisienind— many, many people watching and listening minefield for listening, it is a minefield for a listening, it is a minefield for o sion— listening, it is a minefield for o sion owi. — listening, it is a minefield for a start out. there's a whole diiierence— a start out. there's a whole difference between what funding you difference between what funding vow con— difference between what funding you can access depending on what iiiness— you can access depending on what iiiness or— you can access depending on what illness or disease— you can access depending on what illness or disease you've got, wneiner— illness or disease you've got, wneiner vow— illness or disease you've got, whether you need nursing care or wneiner— whether you need nursing care or wneiner vow— whether you need nursing care or whether you need— whether you need nursing care or whether you need residential care. now, we are in a very ionwnoie— care. now, we are in a very fortunate position that we can pav— fortunate position that we can dov ior— fortunate position that we can dov ior my— fortunate position that we can pay for my mother's care. it is nonenods— pay for my mother's care. it is horrendous. michel. the cost is unbelievable— horrendous. michel. the cost is unbelievable and— horrendous. michel. the cost is unbelievable and i know and it is o— unbelievable and i know and it is o ioweiv— unbelievable and i know and it is a lovely care— unbelievable and i know and it is a lovely care home. it's a iodwiows— is a lovely care home. it's a fabulous care— is a lovely care home. it's a fabulous care home. it's like a ster— fabulous care home. it's like a seen me— fabulous care home. it's like a super five star— fabulous care home. it's like a super five star hotel. the staff are super five star hotel. the staff omozind— super five star hotel. the staff omozind .— super five star hotel. the staff are amazing . those staff are are amazing. those staff are eeiiind— are amazing. those staff are eeiiine doid— are amazing. those staff are getting paid pennies. they're. inis— getting paid pennies. they're. inis is— getting paid pennies. they're. inis is wnoi— getting paid pennies. they're. this is what gets— getting paid pennies. they're. this is what gets me because it is eve—woierind— this is what gets me because it is eye—watering cost . is eye—watering cost. but i was not going to the staff. no it isn't. and it's going to the owners of the _ isn't. and it's going to the owners of the care- . and it's going to the owners of the care homes who are mokind— owners of the care homes who are making absolute— owners of the care homes who are making absolute loot packets and mew-we— making absolute loot packets and inev-we doi— making absolute loot packets and inev-we eoi on— making absolute loot packets and they've got an absolute eworoniee— they've got an absolute guarantee and market because odi— guarantee and market because or going— guarantee and market because we're all going to— guarantee and market because we're all going to get old and

odi— we're all going to get old and or doing— we're all going to get old and we're all going to— we're all going to get old and we're all going to need care. inoi-s— we're all going to need care. inoi-s wrong— we're all going to need care. that's wrong. it's— we're all going to need care. that's wrong. it's absolutely wrond — that's wrong. it's absolutely wrong and— that's wrong. it's absolutely wrong. and then- that's wrong. it's absolutely wrong. ' wrong. and then what are you saying then, that you shouldn't have any private sector care? no, i'm not saying that at all. dwi— no, i'm not saying that at all. butlthink_ no, i'm not saying that at all. dwilinink ii— no, i'm not saying that at all. butlthink it.a_ no, i'm not saying that at all. butithink itla real- no, i'm not saying that at all. but think it a real crisis. but i think it is a real crisis. and— but i think it is a real crisis. and ine— but i think it is a real crisis. and the difference between a good— and the difference between a good coe— and the difference between a good care home— and the difference between a good care home and a bad care nome— good care home and a bad care nome ism-i— good care home and a bad care nome isn-i insi— good care home and a bad care home isn't just to— good care home and a bad care home isn't just to .— good care home and a bad care home isn't just to . down well, home isn't just to. down well, a lot home isn't just to. down well, a ioi oi— home isn't just to. down well, a ioi oi ii— home isn't just to. down well, a ioi oi ii is— home isn't just to. down well, a lot of it is down— home isn't just to. down well, a lot of it is down to— home isn't just to. down well, a lot of it is down to the staff ond— lot of it is down to the staff ond ine— lot of it is down to the staff ond me on— lot of it is down to the staff and the on site— lot of it is down to the staff and the on site management. but but and the on site management. but dwi o— and the on site management. but dwi o ioi— and the on site management. but dwi o ioi oi— and the on site management. but dwi o ioi oi ii— and the on site management. but but a lot of it is— and the on site management. but but a lot of it is to— and the on site management. but but a lot of it is to down the sdoce— but a lot of it is to down the me ine— but a lot of it is to down the space, the number of residents mew-we— space, the number of residents inev-we goi— space, the number of residents inev-we gor. ine— space, the number of residents they've got, the quality of the dwiiding. — they've got, the quality of the budding ine— they've got, the quality of the building, the quality of the iood— building, the quality of the iood ond— building, the quality of the food and all— building, the quality of the food and all of— building, the quality of the food and all of those sort of wings.— food and all of those sort of inings. and— food and all of those sort of things. and because we've got inis— things. and because we've got this absolute— things. and because we've got this absolute conundrum between socioi— this absolute conundrum between socioi coe— this absolute conundrum between social care and— this absolute conundrum between social care and health care that no gowernmeni— social care and health care that no government of— social care and health care that no government of any colour , our no government of any colour, our doiiiicoi— no government of any colour, our doiiricoi coiowr— no government of any colour, our political colour has— no government of any colour, our political colour has ever dealt wim— political colour has ever dealt wiin droderiv.— political colour has ever dealt with properly, despite endless dromises— with properly, despite endless promises over— with properly, despite endless promises over the years , this is promises over the years, this is a promises over the years, this is o drodiem— promises over the years, this is a problem that's— promises over the years, this is a problem that's only going to get a problem that's only going to gei — a problem that's only going to gei and— a problem that's only going to get worse. and i— a problem that's only going to get worse. and i know, you know, im — get worse. and i know, you know, im sure— get worse. and i know, you know, im mere— get worse. and i know, you know, i'm sure there are— get worse. and i know, you know, i'm sure there are people woicning— i'm sure there are people watching and— i'm sure there are people watching and we said it, you mow.— watching and we said it, you know we-ii— watching and we said it, you know, we'll never put you in a care home, but— know, we'll never put you in a care home, but you. /

care home, but you. yeah, i wodid— care home, but you. yeah, i wodid dike— care home, but you. yeah, i would like to think i wouldn't. but that actually you cannot monoeg— but that actually you cannot monoeg oi— but that actually you cannot manage at home when somebody needs— manage at home when somebody needs indi— manage at home when somebody needs full time— manage at home when somebody needs full time nursing care, inev— needs full time nursing care, inev con-i— needs full time nursing care, inev con-r gei— needs full time nursing care, inev con-r gei od— needs full time nursing care, they can't get up there doubly inconiineni— they can't get up there doubly incontinent and— they can't get up there doubly incontinent and you physically con-i— incontinent and you physically con-i do— incontinent and you physically con-i do ii— incontinent and you physically can't do it because it needs two deodie— can't do it because it needs two deodie. weir.— can't do it because it needs two people. well, and— can't do it because it needs two people. well, and it's very cnoiienging.— people. well, and it's very cnoiienging. — people. well, and it's very challenging. . tri;r5i..g no, challenging. it's really. no, im— challenging. it's really. no, in god— challenging. it's really. no, in giodvow— challenging. tri;r5i..g no, i'm glad you offered challenging. . tri;r5i..g no, i'm glad you offered that dersdeciiwe— i'm glad you offered that perspective because i would like to perspective because i would like io mink— perspective because i would like io inink inor— perspective because i would like to think that i— perspective because i would like to think that i wouldn't. but ociwoiiv— to think that i wouldn't. but actually putting— to think that i wouldn't. but actually putting it in perspective- actually putting it in perspective like that, put my in— perspective like that, put my mum in a care— perspective like that, put my mum in a care home, but putting it mum in a care home, but putting ii inro— mum in a care home, but putting it into perspective— mum in a care home, but putting it into perspective like that, i do understand _ it into perspective like that, i do understand why people do do moi.— do understand why people do do inoi. i— do understand why people do do that. i presented— do understand why people do do that. i presented a— do understand why people do do that. i presented a documentary not that. i presented a documentary noi dong— that. i presented a documentary noi iong ogo— that. i presented a documentary not long ago about a man named tony— not long ago about a man named ionv droid— not long ago about a man named ionv sioii ond— not long ago about a man named tony stall and he's— not long ago about a man named tony stall and he's actually swing— tony stall and he's actually swing in— tony stall and he's actually suing his late— tony stall and he's actually suing his late mother's care nome— suing his late mother's care nome ond— suing his late mother's care home and for— suing his late mother's care home and for reasons to do with her home and for reasons to do with men io— home and for reasons to do with her reasons to do— home and for reasons to do with her reasons to do with her care . and— her reasons to do with her care . and ii— her reasons to do with her care . and ii reoiiv— her reasons to do with her care . and it really made me irigniiwi— . and it really made me frightful of— . and it really made me frightful of maybe one day during— frightful of maybe one day during my— frightful of maybe one day putting my mum in such a vulnerable— putting my mum in such a vulnerable situation, especially wnen— vulnerable situation, especially wnen. vow — vulnerable situation, especially wnen. vow mow.— vulnerable situation, especially when, you know, a lot of these ine— when, you know, a lot of these we sioii— when, you know, a lot of these the staff that— when, you know, a lot of these the staff that work— when, you know, a lot of these the staff that work at these care homes, they're overworked, mew-re— care homes, they're overworked, they're underpaid.— care homes, they're overworked, they're underpaid. and i think wnoi— they're underpaid. and i think wnoi we— they're underpaid. and i think what we forget— they're underpaid. and i think what we forget at is how vulnerable _ what we forget at is how vulnerable these elderly people

ociwoiiv— vulnerable these elderly people ociwoiiv oe— vulnerable these elderly people actually are. you— vulnerable these elderly people actually are. you know, they're relying— actually are. you know, they're reiving on— actually are. you know, they're reiving on deodie— actually are. you know, they're relying on people to bathe them, to relying on people to bathe them, io ioke— relying on people to bathe them, io ioke inem— relying on people to bathe them, to take them to— relying on people to bathe them, to take them to the toilet. and wnen— to take them to the toilet. and wnen vow— to take them to the toilet. and when you actually— to take them to the toilet. and when you actually overwork deodie— when you actually overwork deodie ond— when you actually overwork people and underpay them, in my odinion— people and underpay them, in my odinion .— people and underpay them, in my odinion . vow— people and underpay them, in my odinion . wow wow— people and underpay them, in my opinion , you you limit their opinion, you you limit their codociiv— opinion, you you limit their codocirv ior— opinion, you you limit their capacity for empathy. and i mink— capacity for empathy. and i inink inor— capacity for empathy. and i think that is— capacity for empathy. and i think that is how you leave eideriv— think that is how you leave eideriv deodie— think that is how you leave elderly people vulnerable to odwse— elderly people vulnerable to odwse ond— elderly people vulnerable to abuse and when— elderly people vulnerable to abuse and when you have a job inor— abuse and when you have a job no vow— abuse and when you have a job no vow mow.— abuse and when you have a job that you know, the— abuse and when you have a job that you know, the bottom 10% of the that you know, the bottom 10% of me worsi— that you know, the bottom 10% of me worsi doving— that you know, the bottom 10% of the worst paying jobs in the uk, you con— the worst paying jobs in the uk, you can attract— the worst paying jobs in the uk, you can attract rhiannon jones ociwoiiv— you can attract rhiannon jones ociwoiiv inor— you can attract rhiannon jones actually that don't care about the actually that don't care about me dov.— actually that don't care about me dov. dwi— actually that don't care about the pay, but actually just want the pay, but actually just want me dower— the pay, but actually just want me dower imd— the pay, but actually just want the power trip. think that's the power trip. i think that's wnoi— the power trip. i think that's wnor deodie— the power trip. i think that's what people forget. i'll throw it what people forget. i'll throw ii odi— what people forget. i'll throw ii owi io— what people forget. i'll throw it out to you at home. why do you that value carers you think that we value carers so when it comes to the so little when it comes to the wage that pay these carers? wage that we pay these carers? do you think it is just as simple as, i don't know, private care agreed. you care home? agreed. maybe you weren't care home. weren't a private care home. what you think it? do you what do you think to it? do you pay what do you think to it? do you pay staff more than the pay your staff more than the minimum wage? and if not, why not? and fascinated hear your not? and fascinated to hear your view the way, would you view and by the way, would you pay view and by the way, would you pay tax actually to fund pay more tax actually to fund social care in this country if it was a ring fence amount of money, i know, say 5%

money, i don't know, say 5% extra whatever , would you extra tax, whatever, would you pay extra tax, whatever, would you pay it? would you comfortable pay it? would you be comfortable in your thoughts, in doing so? your thoughts, please. gb views at gb news .uk. when i come back, i'll have some of responses that. but of your responses to that. but also ask you if also i want to ask you if drivers are under 25 age, do you think they should be able to carry young passengers in their first of driving or not? first year of driving or not? see you .

in two. hi there. welcome back to dewbs & co with me michelle dewberry till seven alongside my political commentator joe phillips and the writer and broadcaster dominic samuels keeps company lots of you keeps me company lots of you getting in touch about that care home says. my home story, william says. my wife is about to go into a care home. i've caring for her home. i've been caring for her for nine years, but she needs more care than he can provide . more care than he can provide. they live in social housing. it's going to cost him in excess £1,200 a week , he says. do you

£1,200 a week, he says. do you have any idea how difficult it is to make a decision to put your loved one in cases they've been together 50 years and he is struggling with the concept to admit that he can no longer care for her. william, i tell you, it's made me go all goose pimply that has i can't imagine. jennifer says. my mom is in a wonderful care home. i cannot fault it . terrence says if fault it. terrence says if anything needed to be nationalised in this country, this is it. keep your thoughts coming in. but for now, let's talk. we've gone talking about the older people in care homes. let's talk about the younger one, shall we? because there's proposals a so—called proposals now for a so—called graduate licence scheme. proposals now for a so—called gradidrivers licence scheme. proposals now for a so—called gradidrivers undercence scheme. proposals now for a so—called gradidrivers under the :e scheme. proposals now for a so—called gradidrivers under the age heme. proposals now for a so—called gradidrivers under the age ofne. proposals now for a so—called gradidrivers under the age of 25 new drivers under the age of 25 could potentially be stopped from younger passengers could potentially be stopped frotheir younger passengers could potentially be stopped frotheir vehiclesunger passengers could potentially be stopped frotheir vehicles .iger passengers could potentially be stopped frotheir vehicles . thispassengers could potentially be stopped frotheir vehicles. this is ssengers could potentially be stopped frotheir vehicles. this is alligers in their vehicles. this is all about trying to reduce basically people young people dying in crashes. joe, your thoughts ? crashes. joe, your thoughts? yeah, think it makes a lot yeah, thinkit makesa lot of yeah, i think it makes a lot of sense. imean, you- yeah, i think it makes a lot of sense. mean, you know, you sense. i mean, you know, you doss— sense. i mean, you know, you doss vow— sense. i mean, you know, you doss vowr driving— sense. i mean, you know, you pass your driving test, you're 71, pass your driving test, you're ii—owi— pass your driving test, you're ii. —owi wim- pass your driving test, you're 71,—out with your. 71, 18. you go out with your imes — 71, 18. you go out with your imes ii— 71, 18. you go out with your imes ii is— 71, 18. you go out with your mates. it is almost inevitable

if mates. it is almost inevitable ii vow-re— mates. it is almost inevitable ii vow-re ine— mates. it is almost inevitable if you're the designated driver, the if you're the designated driver, ine resi— if you're the designated driver, ine resi oi— if you're the designated driver, the rest of them— if you're the designated driver, the rest of them will be drinking— the rest of them will be drinking .— the rest of them will be drinking . and it is almost drinking. and it is almost inevitable— drinking. and it is almost inevitable that you will show off inevitable that you will show oii in— inevitable that you will show oii in ironi— inevitable that you will show off in front of— inevitable that you will show off in front of your friends decose— off in front of your friends because despite your best intentions,— because despite your best intentions, that's what happens. it's intentions, that's what happens. is deer— intentions, that's what happens. it's peer pressure.— intentions, that's what happens. it's peer pressure. and i think me— it's peer pressure. and i think me drodosoi— it's peer pressure. and i think the proposal is— it's peer pressure. and i think the proposal is to— it's peer pressure. and i think the proposal is to make it so inor— the proposal is to make it so that somebody— the proposal is to make it so that somebody who's just passed ineir— that somebody who's just passed ineir driving— that somebody who's just passed their driving test— that somebody who's just passed their driving test can't take a dossenger— their driving test can't take a passenger under— their driving test can't take a passenger under 25. and this has come from an organiser action inor— come from an organiser action inoi works— come from an organiser action that works with— come from an organiser action that works with people who've dosi— that works with people who've iosi .— that works with people who've iosi . wnicn — that works with people who've iosi . wnicn i— that works with people who've lost , which i don't that works with people who've lost, which i don't think is the desi— lost, which i don't think is the desi ining. — lost, which i don't think is the best thing. young— lost, which i don't think is the best thing. /rim. g lost, which i don't think is the best thing. /3 best thing. young people, to be honest. yo, best thing. young people, to be honest . yo, this best thing. young people, to be honest. yo, this is about- best thing. /3 yo, this is about your honest. yo, this is about your age— honest. yo, this is about your oge grow.— honest. yo, this is about your oge growd. weon— honest. yo, this is about your age group. yeah i'm- yo, this is about your age group. yeah i'm 25. have you got age group. yeah i'm 25. have you goi o— age group. yeah i'm 25. have you goi o driving— age group. yeah i'm 25. have you got a driving licence? no, i connoi— got a driving licence? no, i connoi — got a driving licence? no, i connoi dwi— got a driving licence? no, i cannot. but i'm- got a driving licence? no, i cannot. 9.3. �*q got a driving licence? no, i cannot. grir g got a driving licence? no, i- cannot. but i'm going to make it my mission this year to learn. yeah, i've just never been interested in learning. and then yeah, i've just never been iimoved d in learning. and then yeah, i've just never been iimoved here,earning. and then yeah, i've just never been iimoved here, and ng. and then yeah, i've just never been iimoved here, and there'si then yeah, i've just never been iimoved here, and there's no en i moved here, and there's no point learning because i was learning back in manchester and i here and no i moved here and there's no point we're moving point learning, but we're moving back, going back, so i'm going to learn again. yeah, i'm under 25. again. but yeah, i'm under 25. i think discriminatory . again. but yeah, i'm under 25. i think discriminatory. i'm think it's discriminatory. i'm not sure how it's not really sure how it's enforceable, be honest. i enforceable, to be honest. i think don't know. think it's really, i don't know. another part of this, what i perceive an attack on

perceive to be an attack on drivers dissuade yet more drivers to dissuade yet more people from perhaps pursuing a driving licence. you know, how would you even enforce this, you know, more surveilled through cameras, police randomly stopping cars and then asking for an id card to check the age of the passengers . i for an id card to check the age of the passengers. i think it just will invite a lot of government overreach . and the government overreach. and the idea of it makes me feel uncomfortable . well, and uncomfortable. well, and actually, when you look at road lviv id cards, you look at his driving licence you stop him at your height, you . yeah. let me your height, you. yeah. let me have your height, you. yeah. let me nowe o— your height, you. yeah. let me nowe o rook— your height, you. yeah. let me have a look at— your height, you. yeah. let me have a look at your— . g yeah. let me have a look at your driving iicence — have a look at your driving iicence >— have a look at your driving licence > i— have a look at your driving licence > i don't- have a look at your driving licence > i don't i- have a look at your driving licence d r:rir . r:rir . have a look at your driving licence d ci?" . ci?" . . licence > i don't i don't like the idea of that. i think it's discriminatory, especially when most fatalities on the road actually people over actually involve people over 31 in crash within year in 5 drivers crash within a year of their licence. 1500 of getting their licence. 1500 young people are killed- gri... g . . t t 1500 young people are killed or seriowsiv— young people are killed or seriously injured in the uk, deodie— seriously injured in the uk, deodie die— seriously injured in the uk, people die every day from a ronge— people die every day from a ronge oi— people die every day from a range of things— people die every day from a range of things and whilst the deodie— range of things and whilst the mode inor— range of things and whilst the people that have— range of things and whilst the people that have lost loved ones decose— people that have lost loved ones decose oi— people that have lost loved ones because of these— people that have lost loved ones because of these road fatalities inor— because of these road fatalities inoi wee— because of these road fatalities inoi downg— because of these road fatalities that were young drivers , i that were young drivers, i emdoinise— that were young drivers, i empathise with them and i'm incredidiv— empathise with them and i'm incredibly sorry— empathise with them and i'm incredibly sorry for their loss. i incredibly sorry for their loss. i mink— incredibly sorry for their loss.

i mini inor— incredibly sorry for their loss. i think that perhaps- incredibly sorry for their loss. i think that perhaps they- incredibly sorry for their loss. i think that perhaps they are motivated by the idea that they could have been able to, you know, prevent a death or, you know, prevent a death or, you know, the death wouldn't have happened if this, this, this. i don't think that's healthy thing is to try and prevent it. and if it is, you know, .tg .5i"r: . and if it is, you know, statistically, emdiricoiiv.— it is, you know, statistically, empirically, the _ it is, you know, statistically, empirically, the chances are if vow-re— empirically, the chances are if vow-re wiin— empirically, the chances are if vow-re mm o— empirically, the chances are if you're with a young driver, you are more likely— you're with a young driver, you are more likely arnie to be in a in o— are more likely arnie to be in a in a collision— are more likely arnie to be in a in a collision or— are more likely arnie to be in a in a collision or an— are more likely arnie to be in a in a collision or an accident. and— in a collision or an accident. and vow— in a collision or an accident. and you oe— in a collision or an accident. and you are more- in a collision or an accident. and you are more likely to have a and you are more likely to have o injury— and you are more likely to have a serious injury or— and you are more likely to have a serious injury or death rather inon— a serious injury or death rather mm o— a serious injury or death rather mm o diiie— a serious injury or death rather than a little shunt. so you mow.— than a little shunt. so you wow. wow— than a little shunt. so you know vow sov— than a little shunt. so you know, you say to your kids , know, you say to your kids, don-i— know, you say to your kids, don-i vow— know, you say to your kids, don't you know— know, you say to your kids, don't you know who's driving the car don't you know who's driving the ionignie— don't you know who's driving the car tonight? and— don't you know who's driving the car tonight? and you wait. don't you know who's driving the car tonight? and you wait . you car tonight? and you wait. you nowen-i— car tonight? and you wait. you nowen-i goi— car tonight? and you wait. you nowen-i goi io— car tonight? and you wait. you haven't got to that age yet with vow— haven't got to that age yet with your iiiiie — haven't got to that age yet with vow iiirie dov.— haven't got to that age yet with your little boy. but, you know, wnen— your little boy. but, you know, wnen vow-re— your little boy. but, you know, when you're waiting for them to come home, hoping that they've dorrowed— come home, hoping that they've borrowed money. _ come home, hoping that they've borrowed money. “4153" borrowed money. yeah, i understand. i'm one of six. and my mother always used to say that when we used to go out on a night, my mum would never have a proper sleep until she'd counted us in and she'd be in us all back in and she'd be in bed. she'd hear the door go, she's right. fiona's in, michelle's in carl's. and she just wouldn't till all six

just wouldn't sleep till all six of back in the house. of us were back in the house. and i she still feels and i bet she still feels the same. your you can same. well, your mum. you can tell robin. robin's been tell me, robin. robin's been in touch and said someone who has just passed their test is probably better than probably a better driver than some drivers road are some drivers on the road are now. oliver says, there go now. oliver says, there we go again. this again. pack it in. this government nannying diane government nannying us. diane says. don't think under 25 says. i don't think under 25 year olds should be able to carry other under 25 year olds for the first 12 months. apparently do it in apparently they do it in australia. apparently it's australia's doing well. she australia's been doing well. she also says that they can't drive after 10:00 at night for the first 12 months of driving called. blimey, i'm not i'd called. blimey, i'm not sure i'd welcome that william welcome that anyway. william i've say i've got to go i've got to say i've got to go back to william. i can't stop thinking your thinking about you and your emailed william we emailed me. william. william we feel you've been feel for you. you've been together wife, 50 together with your wife, 50 years, you've for her years, and you've cared for her for nearly a decade of that. and you're telling me how difficult it is decision i you do it is a decision i hope you do realise. you've been realise. i'm sure you've been a fantastic husband anyone fantastic husband and anyone that's coming up to that decision having to make it, decision and having to make it, it's not an easy one. my thoughts are with all and thoughts are with you all and i really do wish that could really do wish that we could sort social care in this

sort out the social care in this country. and if you are a carer to anyone, god bless because to anyone, god bless you because i don't that you're paid i don't think that you're paid as you should be. i think as you should be. and i think that you do a fantastic job. and i pass my respect to each i would pass my respect to each and of you. but look and every one of you. but look at time. it flies. joe and at the time. it flies. joe and dominic, thank you very much for your company. thank you to all of you at home tonight. and just let's remember, we, to let's all remember, shall we, to be to ourselves, because be kind to ourselves, because honestly, i will be thinking about now , about william all night now, right? that's i've got time right? that's all i've got time for. next is nigel farage. for. up next is nigel farage. nigel good evening. welcome to you. what have you got for us, michelle? thank you very much. well, it was the saint george's day— well, it was the saint george's dov oce— well, it was the saint george's dov ow— well, it was the saint george's day race row where diane abbott cosed— day race row where diane abbott caused -offence, _ day race row where diane abbott caused offence, also caused huge offence, but also snowed— caused huge offence, but also showed _totallyl showed herself to be totally ignoroni— showed herself to be totally ignorant about— showed herself to be totally ignorant about the history of siowerv. — ignorant about the history of siowerv. in— ignorant about the history of slavery. in fact,— ignorant about the history of slavery. in fact, i'd say her nisiorv— slavery. in fact, i'd say her nisiorv is— slavery. in fact, i'd say her history is about— slavery. in fact, i'd say her history is about as good as her moinemoiics— history is about as good as her mathematics .— history is about as good as her mathematics . so— history is about as good as her mathematics . so what we're going mathematics. so what we're going to mathematics. so what we're going io dedoie— mathematics. so what we're going to debate tonight— mathematics. so what we're going to debate tonight on the show is dis— to debate tonight on the show is dis ine— to debate tonight on the show is dis we end— to debate tonight on the show is this the end for— to debate tonight on the show is this the end for diane abbott ond— this the end for diane abbott ond ior— this the end for diane abbott ond ior kyiv— this the end for diane abbott and for kyiv starmer? is this doieniioiiv— and for kyiv starmer? is this doieniioiiv o— and for kyiv starmer? is this potentially a very, very big e— potentially a very, very big winner ? but— potentially a very, very big winner ? but before all of that, winner? but before all of that, ier-s— winner? but before all of that, ier-s gei— winner? but before all of that, ier-s gei ine— winner? but before all of that, let's get the april— winner? but before all of that, let's get the april weather .

let's get the april weather. hi mere.— let's get the april weather. hi mere. ids— let's get the april weather. hi there. it's aidan— let's get the april weather. hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office skies clearing during the next 24 hours, leading to a widespread frost for many of us on tuesday morning. but despite the chilly start, actually most places will be fine on tuesday . we've got be fine on tuesday. we've got low pressure moving away as us that pushes into the north sea . that pushes into the north sea. cold wind arrives from the north and having seen a weather front bnng and having seen a weather front bring outbreaks of rain to southern england and wales dunng southern england and wales during the day, well that tends to clear away during the evening, leading to clear skies and winds as well, which and light winds as well, which means ingredients there means all the ingredients there with arctic air in place for a chilly start to tuesday, a widespread frost. temperatures between . 1 or 2 degrees either between. 1 or 2 degrees either side of zero and in some sheltered parts of scotland as low as minus six degrees. 1 or 2 icy patches to watch out for first thing, but they'll soon clear further wintry showers coming into the north of scotland. so a mixture of sleet, hail snow showers. but any hail and snow showers. but any accumulations really restricted to hills and mountains. to the hills and mountains. a few showers around irish few rain showers around irish sea but otherwise plenty sea coast, but otherwise plenty

of weather. sunny of dry and bright weather. sunny spells for many, even if it does cloud over a little into the afternoon and it will feel cold out there, particularly if you're the wind you're exposed to the wind across northern and eastern scotland as east of scotland as well as the east of england. where we've england. but where we've got lighter with lighter winds elsewhere with some sunshine feeling too some sunshine not feeling too unpleasant, then clear skies once again on tuesday night will lead to a fairly widespread frost. but out towards the south—west, thicker cloud and for cornwall and perhaps devon later on, some outbreaks of light rain that'll keep things frost free 7 or 8 celsius towards the south—west whilst across scotland and northern and eastern england. again on a chilly one to wake up to on wednesday morning. the wintry showers by wednesday , though showers by wednesday, though confined to the far northeast of scotland and south we've scotland and further south we've got thicker cloud some got thicker cloud and some outbreaks light rain pushing outbreaks of light rain pushing through dull and damp day, through a dull and damp day, especially for south wales and the southwest of england. and similar on thursday similar conditions on thursday with heavier moving with some heavier rain moving through thursday night across through on thursday night across southern uk , southern parts of the uk, clearing the way, though, for warmer weekend .

good evening. coming up i good evening. coming up ionigni.— . good evening. coming up ionigni. is— . good evening. coming up tonight, is this— . good evening. coming up tonight, is this the- good evening. coming up tonight, is this the end for dione— tonight, is this the end for diane abbott?— tonight, is this the end for diane abbott? why do our governments— diane abbott? why do our governments want to turn the micro— governments want to turn the eniireiv oi— governments want to turn the entirety of the _ governments want to turn the entirety of the north sea into gioni— entirety of the north sea into one giant wind— entirety of the north sea into one giant wind farm? can the gowernmeni— one giant wind farm? can the government win— one giant wind farm? can the government win its court case icwondoe— government win its court case over rwanda? and much, much moe— over rwanda? and much, much dwi— over rwanda? and much, much more? but before— over rwanda? and much, much more? but before all of that, ier-s— more? but before all of that, ier-s gei— more? but before all of that, ier-s gei ine— more? but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst— let's get the news with polly middlehurst .— let's get the news with polly middlehurst . _ let's get the news with polly middlehurst . \r grim let's get the news with polly middlehurst. \r grim let's get the news with polly middlehurst . \r grim middlehurst. nigel, thank you. good evening to you. the top story on bbc news tonight, the government says it's taking the royal of nursing to royal college of nursing to court after labelling