good evening. coming up . good evening. coming up tonight,— . good evening. coming up tonight, is— . good evening. coming up tonight, is this— . good evening. coming up tonight, is this the- good evening. coming up tonight, is this the end for mane— tonight, is this the end for diane abbott?— tonight, is this the end for diane abbott? why do our governments— diane abbott? why do our governments want to turn the entirety— governments want to turn the entirety of— governments want to turn the entirety of the _ governments want to turn the entirety of the north sea into giant— entirety of the north sea into one giant wind— entirety of the north sea into one giant wind farm? can the government— one giant wind farm? can the government win— one giant wind farm? can the government win its court case rwanda?— government win its court case over rwanda? and much, much me.— over rwanda? and much, much but— over rwanda? and much, much more? but before— over rwanda? and much, much more? but before all of that, let-s— more? but before all of that, let-s get— more? but before all of that, tet-e get the— more? but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst_ let's get the news with polly middlehurst ._ let's get the news with polly middlehurst . _ let's get the news with polly middlehurst . \ gt; let's get the news with polly middlehurst. \ gt; let's get the news with polly middlehurst . \ gt; middlehurst. nigel, thank you. good evening to you. the top story on bbc news tonight, the government says it's taking the royal of nursing to royal college of nursing to court after labelling their

planned strike action as unlawful . the health barclay unlawful. the health barclay says he's been left with no choice but to proceed with legal action following attempts by his officials to resolve the situation . it comes as the union situation. it comes as the union prepares to take industri action from the 30th of april to the 2nd of may. the rcn leader pat cullen described the government's anti—trade union legislation as draconian . well, legislation as draconian. well, the confederation of british industry says it has dismissed a number of people after a series of sexual misconduct and rape allegations means dozens of the body's members, including bmw, vodafone phone and john lewis, have left with the organisation suspending all its policy and membership activities . earlier, membership activities. earlier, the chancellor, jeremy hunt, said there's no point engaging with the cbi any more and that the government wants to work with the trade body that sticks up for business. now as you've been hearing, sir keir starmer says the comments made by the labour mp diane abbott were

anti—semitic . labour mp diane abbott were anti—semitic. in an article for the observer , the former shadow the observer, the former shadow health secretary said a jewish, irish and traveller people experience prejudice but not racism. she's since withdrawn the remarks and apologised used. labour has previously come under fire for anti—semitic remarks made by former party leader jeremy corbyn. sir keir said he was absolutely right to act as swiftly as he did what she wrote yesterday. i swiftly as he did what she wrote yesterday . i utterly condemn and yesterday. i utterly condemn and i yesterday. i utterly condemn and . sett— yesterday. i utterly condemn and . eett we— yesterday. i utterly condemn and i said we would— yesterday. i utterly condemn and i said we would tear— : i utterly condemn and i said we would tear out anti—semitism by its roots. i meant— anti—semitism by its roots. i meant tt— anti—semitism by its roots. i meant it. and— anti—semitism by its roots. i meant it. and that's why we eetet— meant it. and that's why we eetet ee— meant it. and that's why we acted so swiftly— meant it. and that's why we acted so swiftly yesterday . i acted so swiftly yesterday. i tttnt— acted so swiftly yesterday. i tttnt tt-e— acted so swiftly yesterday. i tttnt tt-e e— acted so swiftly yesterday. i think it's a mark of how far the tem— think it's a mark of how far the teteut petty— think it's a mark of how far the labour party has— think it's a mark of how far the labour party has changed and thet— labour party has changed and that we— labour party has changed and that we acted _ labour party has changed and that we acted so— labour party has changed and that we acted so swiftly and that— that we acted so swiftly and that we— that we acted so swiftly and that we take— that we acted so swiftly and that we take it— that we acted so swiftly and that we take it so seriously. eut— that we take it so seriously. tut ._ that we take it so seriously. but i condemn— that we take it so seriously. but i condemn what she said. sir but i condemn what she said. stt tetr— but i condemn what she said. sir keir starmer— but i condemn what she said. sir keir starmer now- but i condemn what she said. sir keir starmer now the- but i condemn what she said. sir keir starmer now the africa minister andrew mitchell, says the government is exploring every conceivable option to evacuate british nationals from sudanin evacuate british nationals from sudan in northeast africa . sudan in northeast africa. germany has already evacuated more than 300 people today. we

believe british citizens were among them . an emergency cobra among them. an emergency cobra meeting has been held today with the foreign office advising those still in the country to stay indoors and await further instruction . asians amid a instruction. asians amid a violent conflict between the sudanese army and a powerful paramilitary group. there are between 2 and 4000 uk citizens still in the country here. the court of appeal has heard the accusation that judges showed excessive deference towards the home office's view that promises made by the rwandan government would protect migrants from potential ill treatment . six potential ill treatment. six asylum seekers in the uk are challenging the high court's dismissal of a series of legal bids against the illegal migration bill by the home secretary, suella braverman says she needs the crucial power to stop european judges from intervening in the deportation of people who arrive in the uk via unauthorised routes . and via unauthorised routes. and lastly , the queen consort has lastly, the queen consort has paid tribute to the former

strictly come dancing judge len goodman , who has died at the age goodman, who has died at the age of 78. buckingham palace says camilla, who's danced with len goodman, was saddened to hear of his death. dame arlene phillips said her heart was truly broken . darcey bussell called him a true gentleman. fellow judge craig revel. horwood said len would live with him forever, and bruno tonioli called him the one and only ballroom legend. he was and only ballroom legend. he was a judge on the show from 2004 to 2016 when his agent said he died peacefully and will be sorely missed by all who knew him . missed by all who knew him. that's all from me. i'm back in an hour now. back to . an hour now. back to. nigel well, yesterday was saint - well, yesterday was saint georges net.— . well, yesterday was saint george's day. and— well, yesterday was saint george's day. and you were george's day. and as you were all george's day. and as you were ett-teety— george's day. and as you were ett-teety te— george's day. and as you were all-ready to get- george's day. and as you were all ready to get your all getting ready to get your meeeeeg— message alert from the government— message alert from the government at 3 pm. or have to

say— government at 3 pm. or have to eat .— government at 3 pm. or have to eat . tttn-t— government at 3 pm. or have to eat t tttn-t get— government at 3 pm. or have to say i didn't get it.— government at 3 pm. or have to say i didn't get it. i— government at 3 pm. or have to say i didn't get it. i disabled the— say i didn't get it. i disabled the phone— say i didn't get it. i disabled the phone but— say i didn't get it. i disabled the phone but as— say i didn't get it. i disabled the phone but as we waited for that— the phone but as we waited for that e— the phone but as we waited for that a new— the phone but as we waited for that a new race— the phone but as we waited for that a new race row erupted. but the— that a new race row erupted. but ttte ttme— that a new race row erupted. but ttte ttme tt— that a new race row erupted. but this time it was— that a new race row erupted. but this time it was caused by diane attett. — this time it was caused by diane attett. tt— this time it was caused by diane attett. tt wee— this time it was caused by diane abbott. it was a— this time it was caused by diane abbott. it was a letter that she tet— abbott. it was a letter that she tat wtntet— abbott. it was a letter that she tat wtwtet tn— abbott. it was a letter that she had printed in the— abbott. it was a letter that she had printed in the observer and teeteetw— had printed in the observer and basically what— had printed in the observer and basically what she— had printed in the observer and basically what she was saying is thet— basically what she was saying is that tewtet— basically what she was saying is that jewish people— basically what she was saying is that jewish people travel hours ent— that jewish people travel hours and ethere— that jewish people travel hours and others may— that jewish people travel hours and others may experience wet-twee,— and others may experience wetwttee, tut— and others may experience prejudice, but they don't suffer trem— prejudice, but they don't suffer teem ewtttgtt— prejudice, but they don't suffer from outright racism . and it's from outright racism. and it's tet— from outright racism. and it's tet te— from outright racism. and it's ted to en— from outright racism. and it's led to an absolute storm of eenemnt— led to an absolute storm of condemn nation.- led to an absolute storm of condemn nation. now i think for sir condemn nation. now i think for stt tetr— condemn nation. now i think for sir keir starmer— condemn nation. now i think for sir keir starmer this must be ute— sir keir starmer this must be like christmas— sir keir starmer this must be like christmas has come early. anette— like christmas has come early. another chance— like christmas has come early. another chance to _ like christmas has come early. another chance to prove that he teettw— another chance to prove that he teettw te— another chance to prove that he really is cleaning— another chance to prove that he really is cleaning up the labour petty. — really is cleaning up the labour petty. wee— really is cleaning up the labour petty. we get— really is cleaning up the labour party. he's got rid— really is cleaning up the labour party. he's got rid of jeremy cettwn— party. he's got rid of jeremy corbyn ent— party. he's got rid of jeremy corbyn and now— party. he's got rid of jeremy corbyn and now here was jeremy cettwte— corbyn and now here was jeremy corbyn's shadow— corbyn and now here was jeremy corbyn's shadow home secretary giving— corbyn's shadow home secretary gtwng stetmet— corbyn's shadow home secretary giving starmer a— corbyn's shadow home secretary giving starmer a complete open gett- — giving starmer a complete open gett- tee— giving starmer a complete open goal. he's acted— giving starmer a complete open goal. he's acted quickly. he's mete— goal. he's acted quickly. he's mete tt— goal. he's acted quickly. he's made it clear— goal. he's acted quickly. he's made it clear he— goal. he's acted quickly. he's made it clear he thinks her comments were— made it clear he thinks her comments were anti—semitic and she comments were anti—semitic and the te— comments were anti—semitic and the te ewepentet— comments were anti—semitic and she is suspended. i— comments were anti—semitic and she is suspended. i very much doubt— she is suspended. i very much doubt mweett— she is suspended. i very much doubt myself that she'll be ettewet— doubt myself that she'll be ettewet te— doubt myself that she'll be allowed to stand for the labour

party— allowed to stand for the labour party et— allowed to stand for the labour party at the— allowed to stand for the labour party at the next— allowed to stand for the labour party at the next election . i party at the next election. i tttnt— party at the next election. i tttnt twe— party at the next election. i think this is— party at the next election. i think this is the— party at the next election. i think this is the end of diane attett-e— think this is the end of diane abbott's career— think this is the end of diane abbott's career ._ think this is the end of diane abbott's career . so tell me what abbott's career. so tell me what you— abbott's career. so tell me what you tttnt. — abbott's career. so tell me what you think. farage@gbnews.uk but the teet— you think. farage@gbnews.uk but the last sentence— you think. farage@gbnews.uk but the last sentence of the letter is the last sentence of the letter te eemetttne— the last sentence of the letter is something that— the last sentence of the letter is something that no media ewttete— is something that no media outlets have— is something that no media outlets have picked up on at all ent— outlets have picked up on at all wet ten-t— outlets have picked up on at all and don't wish— outlets have picked up on at all and don't wish to— outlets have picked up on at all and don't wish to discuss this or debate — and don't wish to discuss this or debate. you— and don't wish to discuss this or debate. you see, they find it tutt— or debate. you see, they find it twet tee— or debate. you see, they find it twet tee ewtwt— or debate. you see, they find it just too awful because at the end:— just too awful because at the end, whet— just too awful because at the end, what she— just too awful because at the end, what she wrote is there were no white— end, what she wrote is there were no white seeming people meneetet— were no white seeming people meneetet en— were no white seeming people manacled on slave ships. you see in manacled on slave ships. you see it twee— manacled on slave ships. you see in diane abbott's— manacled on slave ships. you see in diane abbott's world, slavery is in diane abbott's world, slavery te tutt— in diane abbott's world, slavery is just something— in diane abbott's world, slavery is just something that white peepte— is just something that white peepte ttt— is just something that white peepte ttt te— is just something that white people did to black people and we te— people did to black people and we are to feel— people did to black people and we are to feel guilty for the teet— we are to feel guilty for the test et— we are to feel guilty for the rest of time— we are to feel guilty for the rest of time about what happened.— rest of time about what happened. yet the story , i happened. yet the story, i tettewe— happened. yet the story, i tettewe, te— happened. yet the story, i believe, is far— happened. yet the story, i believe, is far more complex, far believe, is far more complex, tet ee— believe, is far more complex, far more complicated, and yet no one ever wants to _ far more complicated, and yet no one ever wants to talk about it. wett— one ever wants to talk about it. wet, tet-e— one ever wants to talk about it. well, let's talk— one ever wants to talk about it. well, let's talk about it now. tentett— well, let's talk about it now. tentett en— well, let's talk about it now. tentett en et— well, let's talk about it now. tonight on gb news. and i'm tetnet— tonight on gb news. and i'm tetwet tw— tonight on gb news. and i'm joined by author— tonight on gb news. and i'm joined by author and professor of joined by author and professor et ttetew— joined by author and professor et ttetew et—

joined by author and professor of history at exeter university, jeremy— of history at exeter university, jeremy meet,— of history at exeter university, jeremy black, mp obe. jeremy, tmemt— jeremy black, mp obe. jeremy, tmemt wee— jeremy black, mp obe. jeremy, them you were— jeremy black, mp obe. jeremy, thank you very much indeed for temme— thank you very much indeed for joining me— thank you very much indeed for joining me tonight on the show. new— joining me tonight on the show. new tet-e— joining me tonight on the show. new tet-e tw— joining me tonight on the show. now let's try and— joining me tonight on the show. now let's try and get some meter— now let's try and get some proper teete— now let's try and get some proper facts out— now let's try and get some proper facts out there, shall wee— proper facts out there, shall we? wouldn't— proper facts out there, shall we? wouldn't that make a nice change— we? wouldn't that make a nice etemee m— we? wouldn't that make a nice change m the— we? wouldn't that make a nice change in this slavery debate? wette— change in this slavery debate? wmte eeeete— change in this slavery debate? white people, white europeans ewtteet— white people, white europeans were subject to— white people, white europeans were subject to slavery too, is met— were subject to slavery too, is met mett— were subject to slavery too, is mm mm — were subject to slavery too, is that right 7 it— were subject to slavery too, is that right 7 it it's- were subject to slavery too, is that right ? c c ct;«t that right? it it's absolutely correct, including actually british people. there were moroccan slave raiders on the coast of devon , for example, in coast of devon, for example, in the 1620s. oh yes. and i also i , tmeee— the 1620s. oh yes. and i also i mean , these these— ti�*q o" «to; and i also i mean , these these barbary mean, these these barbary ettetee— mean, these these barbary ettetee wte— mean, these these barbary pirates who took something like one pirates who took something like e tet— pirates who took something like one a 1.25 million— pirates who took something like one a 1.25 million slaves. they teet— one a 1.25 million slaves. they teet .— one a 1.25 million slaves. they teet . amt— one a 1.25 million slaves. they teet . amt wee,— one a 1.25 million slaves. they took . and yes, they actually took. and yes, they actually temtet— took. and yes, they actually temtet eme— took. and yes, they actually landed and raided in ireland and in landed and raided in ireland and m deten— landed and raided in ireland and m dewem eme— landed and raided in ireland and in devon and other— landed and raided in ireland and in devon and other places like met.— in devon and other places like met. me— in devon and other places like that. and certainly in italy and eewmtee— that. and certainly in italy and countries like— that. and certainly in italy and countries like that. you know etewt— countries like that. you know etewt tes— countries like that. you know about 1.25 million white people tetem— about 1.25 million white people were taken into— about 1.25 million white people were taken into slavery. the emet— were taken into slavery. the ether time,— were taken into slavery. the other thing, jeremy , that other thing, jeremy, that i ttewett— other thing, jeremy, that i tmewemtee— other thing, jeremy, that i thought was remarkable, you mew,— thought was remarkable, you know, was this— thought was remarkable, you know, was this book white cargo , wttttem — know, was this book white cargo , wttttem e— know, was this book white cargo , wttttem e tew— know, was this book white cargo , written a few years ago explaining— , written a few years ago

explaining that about 300,000 emttem— explaining that about 300,000 emttem eeeete— explaining that about 300,000 british people in— explaining that about 300,000 british people in the 17th and tem— british people in the 17th and teeth eemtww— british people in the 17th and 18th century were tricked into going— 18th century were tricked into going te— 18th century were tricked into going to america and being eteee — going to america and being eteee new,— going to america and being slaves. now, this. if this is true,— slaves. now, this. if this is tme, tme— slaves. now, this. if this is true, this would- slaves. now, this. if this is true, this would change much of the memettwe— true, this would change much of the narrative ._ true, this would change much of the narrative . what's that story the narrative. what's that story 7 the narrative. what's that story e wett— the narrative. what's that story e wett, eeeete— the narrative. what's that story ? well, people went- the narrative. what's that story ? well, people went as- ? well, people went as indentured labour and some of them who were convicts, of course, were actually free. if you want to use the term manacled. so the idea , which manacled. so the idea, which diane abbott mentioned, that it was only black people that were manacled, no, that's not true . i manacled, no, that's not true. i think it's fair to say that coercive labour for most people in the world was the norm in the 15, 16th, 17th century. whether you're a slave , whether you're you're a slave, whether you're indentured labour, whether you're convict labour, whether you're convict labour, whether you're a serf . so lots of people you're a serf. so lots of people of lots of different colours were slaves of some type or other. and you could also argue that into the modern age people, for example, you could say the entire modern population of

nonh entire modern population of north korea are slaves. there was certainly slavery in the soviet gulags . there was slavery soviet gulags. there was slavery in the german concentrate camps. so the idea that it is only slavery has only been suffered by black people is, is wrong. and, you know , the other point and, you know, the other point that needs to be faced is all societies, all cultures, all civilisations , all cultures are civilisations, all cultures are quite capable of inflicting harm on others. the real problem with diane abbott's approach is her idea that guilt is hereditary. now that's not a principle in british law and as far as i'm aware, it's not a principle in any other legal code. certainly in any legal code. in a democracy . so if you do democracy. so if you do something and you go to prison, it doesn't mean that your grandson or grand daughter is in some way , you know, a parasite . some way, you know, a parasite. and i do think , you know, if and i do think, you know, if i was diane abbott, i would confront more the problems of the world today. i mean, look , the world today. i mean, look, for example, you've already had

on your news bulletin the situation in sudan . but, you situation in sudan. but, you know, she's an mp for a london seat, we all know. and at the same thing would be true in exeter where i live, though in a much smaller scale within five miles where we live, there much smaller scale within five mil slaves. �*iere we live, there much smaller scale within five mil slaves. there e live, there much smaller scale within five mil slaves. there will e, there much smaller scale within five mil slaves. there will be :here much smaller scale within five mil slaves. there will be people are slaves. there will be people that sexually that have been sexually trafficked into this country, some of them white, some of them black, either labour or for black, for either labour or for sexual purposes . and actually, i sexual purposes. and actually, i would rather diane abbott and other mps were addressing. indeed, theresa may tried to address this in the modern slavery act. and again, the united nations reckons there's more than 20 million people who are slaves in the world at this moment , most are slaves in the world at this moment, most of them are slaves in the world at this moment , most of them countries moment, most of them countries like mauritania, niger, sudan can again, possibly diane abbott should be devoting her attention to those people rather than sounding off about the 17th and 18th century about which, alas, she knows very little . why do she knows very little. why do you think it is— she knows very little. why do you think it is that— she knows very little. why do you think it is that in- ttzgt c why do you think it is that in britain emt— you think it is that in britain emt amettee— you think it is that in britain and america in— you think it is that in britain and america in particular, we're teme— and america in particular, we're teme tett— and america in particular, we're being told that— and america in particular, we're being told that somehow we have

to being told that somehow we have te eteme— being told that somehow we have te eteme tet— being told that somehow we have to atone for what— being told that somehow we have to atone for what happened mwteeet— to atone for what happened centuries ago— to atone for what happened centuries ago and the debate is wmettw— centuries ago and the debate is wholly confined— centuries ago and the debate is wholly confined to— centuries ago and the debate is wholly confined to black people trem— wholly confined to black people teem emce— wholly confined to black people from africa going— wholly confined to black people from africa going over to the ametteee — from africa going over to the americas. why— from africa going over to the americas. why are we not etteweet— americas. why are we not allowed, jeremy, to have this tetete— allowed, jeremy, to have this tetete met— allowed, jeremy, to have this debate that you— allowed, jeremy, to have this debate that you and i have been mewee— debate that you and i have been tewme tet— debate that you and i have been mewme tet me— debate that you and i have been having for the last— debate that you and i have been having for the last few minutes? i having for the last few minutes? . ten-t— having for the last few minutes? . tem-t mew. — having for the last few minutes? . tem-t mew. ._ having for the last few minutes? i don't know. i don't- having for the last few minutes? i don't know. t:t::t" c i don't know. i don't know. i think there are a number of people who hate our country and i think can i make this clear? this is nothing to do with people of any particular ethnicity. there are white people you know, who people as well as you know, who dislike the history of our country. and i'm afraid to say they just looking for mud to throw. and i don't think it's very attractive. there are problems britain. are problems in britain. there are things about history we things about our history we should embarrassed about. but should be embarrassed about. but that doesn't that we have that doesn't mean that we have to go around with sackcloth and ashes at the present day. no more other countries should more than other countries should do for the past, which is well beyond what those of the present day are responsible for. so for all of us, we should feel contrite if we do something wrong ourselves. if my grandfather or great grandfather

did something wrong, that's not i'm afraid , a something that i'm afraid, a something that i feel that i have to confess to or feel, you know, sick about . or feel, you know, sick about. no, quite right. jeremy black, tmemt— no, quite right. jeremy black, tmemt wee— no, quite right. jeremy black, them you very— no, quite right. jeremy black, thank you very much indeed for temme— thank you very much indeed for joining we— thank you very much indeed for joining we em— thank you very much indeed for joining us on this— thank you very much indeed for joining us on this debate. of tt— joining us on this debate. of course, if we _ joining us on this debate. of course, if we kept on going down the— course, if we kept on going down the ete— course, if we kept on going down this route, we'd— course, if we kept on going down this route, we'd want the vttmee— this route, we'd want the vttmee twe— this route, we'd want the vikings, the countries, norway, demete— denmark, they'd have to eeetegtee— denmark, they'd have to eeetegtee ,— denmark, they'd have to apologise , guys and send us apologise, guys and send us teeetetteme— apologise, guys and send us reparations course, would apologise, guys and send us reptitalians course, would apologise, guys and send us reptitalians and course, would apologise, guys and send us reptitalians and soiurse, would apologise, guys and send us reptitalians and so one, would apologise, guys and send us reptitalians and so on and ould apologise, guys and send us reptitalians and so on and sod the italians and so on and so teem.— the italians and so on and so term. we— the italians and so on and so term. we ._ the italians and so on and so forth. no i think— the italians and so on and so forth. no i think on the historical— forth. no i think on the historical facts, diana abbott mee— historical facts, diana abbott tee mewee— historical facts, diana abbott has proved absolutely conclusively- has proved absolutely conclusively that her history is etewt— conclusively that her history is etewt ee— conclusively that her history is etewt ee eeet— conclusively that her history is about as good as— conclusively that her history is about as good as her mathematics . eut— about as good as her mathematics . but politically,— about as good as her mathematics . but politically, what does it all . but politically, what does it ett me— . but politically, what does it all mean now?— . but politically, what does it all mean now? harry burns joins tetmet meet— all mean now? harry burns joins me, former head of— all mean now? harry burns joins me, former head of labour eteetteme— me, former head of labour elections at— me, former head of labour elections at the- me, former head of labour elections at the 2017 general eteettem— elections at the 2017 general eteettem .— elections at the 2017 general election . when— elections at the 2017 general election . when was this like election. when was this like a cmtetmee— election. when was this like a christmas day— election. when was this like a christmas day present for sir tetr— christmas day present for sir keir starmer?— christmas day present for sir keir starmer? a— christmas day present for sir keir starmer? a chance to prove met— keir starmer? a chance to prove met the— keir starmer? a chance to prove the the petty— keir starmer? a chance to prove that the party absolutely has tweet— that the party absolutely has tweet tteett— that the party absolutely has purged itself of— that the party absolutely has purged itself of anti—semitic tem — purged itself of anti—semitic tem emt— purged itself of anti—semitic ism and perhaps can i put it to you— ism and perhaps can i put it to wee met— ism and perhaps can i put it to you met the— ism and perhaps can i put it to you that the labour party had teme— you that the labour party had become obsessed— you that the labour party had become obsessed with the palestinian— become obsessed with the palestinian cause ? yeti; t:t::t" c

palestinian cause? well, i don't think anybody ever wants to hear those sorts of views spoken out loud. i mean, i left the labour party in 2017 because of jeremy corbyn and the anti semitism. i've since rejoined because of luciana berger has rejoined and the equality and human rights commission have given it a clean bill of health. so i don't think anybody ever wants to hear those those words said out loud. but obviously it is a point for keir starmer to prove that the labour party has changed. as he said, they exchanged. and i think you only have to look at the facts to that it's not the party to see that it's not the party of 2017 anymore and there is a pro—palestinian obsession with these people, isn't there? i mean, ken livingstone c , i mean, ken livingstone has got it. mean, ken livingstone has got tt. jeremy— mean, ken livingstone has got it. jeremy corbyn's got it to a eettem— it. jeremy corbyn's got it to a certain extent. _ it. jeremy corbyn's got it to a certain extent. cherie blair had it. jeremy corbyn's got it to a cewhenaxtent. cherie blair had it. jeremy corbyn's got it to a cewhen sheit. cherie blair had it. jeremy corbyn's got it to a cewhen she saidierie blair had it. jeremy corbyn's got it to a cewhen she said she blair had it. jeremy corbyn's got it to a cewhen she said she could had it when she said she could ewmeetmee— it when she said she could sympathise and- it when she said she could sympathise and understand palestinian— sympathise and understand palestinian suicide. but what is mte— palestinian suicide. but what is mte-etem— palestinian suicide. but what is mte-eteme — palestinian suicide. but what is this-about ? i— palestinian suicide. but what is this-about ? i don't- palestinian suicide. but what is this about? cc," c this all about? i don't think i would equate cherie blair to a to ken livingstone. no, but her comment was very interesting. you know, when you you know, when she said, you mew,— you know, when she said, you knew eme— you know, when she said, you know, she wouldn't approve, know, she she wouldn't approve, but. understood _ know, she she wouldn't approve, but. understood the - know, she she wouldn't approve, but understood the motives know, she she wouldn't approve, bu palestinian stood the motives know, she she wouldn't approve, bu palestinian terrorists. motives know, she she wouldn't approve, bupalestinian terrorists. but,ies of palestinian terrorists. but, but,— of palestinian terrorists. but, twt, tut,— of palestinian terrorists. but, but, but,-think- of palestinian terrorists. but, but, but, think that's but, but, but i think that's a

wette— but, but, but i think that's a wettt ewew— but, but, but i think that's a world away from _ but, but, but i think that's a world away from ken livingstone and-livingstone.— world away from ken livingstone and-livingstone. if- world away from ken livingstone and livingstone. if accept and ken livingstone. if i accept met,— and ken livingstone. if i accept ttetleeeeet— and ken livingstone. if i accept that,-accept that,- and ken livingstone. if i accept that, accept that, fine, that, if i accept that, fine, t-tt— that, if i accept that, fine, t-tt-ttet— that, if i accept that, fine, i'll-that-forl that, if i accept that, fine,- i'll-that-for the i'll accept that for the for the emwmemte.— i'll accept that for the for the arguments-know- i'll accept that for the for the arguments. know , here. sure. arguments. you know, here. sure. but whet— arguments. you know, here. sure. but wtet te— arguments. you know, here. sure. but what is this— arguments. you know, here. sure. but what is this obsession that meet— but what is this obsession that teteet te— but what is this obsession that teteet te e— but what is this obsession that israel is a bad— but what is this obsession that israel is a bad evil country? wett— israel is a bad evil country? wett. mete— israel is a bad evil country? well, there is— israel is a bad evil country? well, there is a— israel is a bad evil country? well, there is a there- israel is a bad evil country? well, there is a there is- well, there is a there is a because that leaches doesn't it, into language that seem to be anti—semitic . so there is a anti—semitic. so there is a there is a part of the hard left of the labour party, but also the country and around the world that believe the greatest threat to humanity is the us and the capitalists. and they tend to then fall down into the sort of, you know, jewish conspiracy line of thinking, which then leads to sort of anti anti—semitic views. so yes, you certainly exist here. diane abbott, after this tettet— here. diane abbott, after this tettet ee— ittt; diane abbott, after this letter was published “ttit; diane abbott, after this letter was published that teeeetetetw— letter was published that desperately scrabbled around . desperately scrabbled around. me— desperately scrabbled around. me te— desperately scrabbled around. me te eew— desperately scrabbled around. and to say that— desperately scrabbled around. and to say that the wrong draft met— and to say that the wrong draft met teem— and to say that the wrong draft met teem ._ and to say that the wrong draft had been i mean,— and to say that the wrong draft had been i mean, it wasn't believable— had been i mean, it wasn't believable at— had been i mean, it wasn't believable at all that the wrong mett— believable at all that the wrong etett met— believable at all that the wrong draft had been— believable at all that the wrong draft had been sent. do you tmmt— draft had been sent. do you tmmt met— draft had been sent. do you think her political career is now effectively— think her political career is now effectively over ? �*ft�*tt; now effectively over? well, i

met— now effectively over? well, i ttmt tt-e— now effectively over? well, i think it's going to be very difficult for her to come back. i mean, i personally wouldn't want to see her standing as a as a as a labour candidate. i mean, you know, it's to say that you know, it's not to say that she done great things in she hasn't done great things in her was her career. she was a trailblazer for being elected in 1987. those just 1987. however, those views just simply compatible with simply aren't compatible with keir today, keir starmer labour of today, which is party that am proud which is a party that i am proud to a member of again. so the to be a member of again. so the anti—semitism, that's— to be a member of again. so the anti—semitism, that's it- to be a member of again. so the anti—semitism, that's it .- g " so the anti—semitism, that's it . it's anti—semitism, that's it. it's over. have the— anti—semitism, that's it. it's over. have the hard left been eemetetetw— over. have the hard left been completely purged labour ? completely purged from labour? wett— completely purged from labour? wet-met— completely purged from labour? well,-not necessarily- completely purged from labour? well,-not necessarily over- well, it's not necessarily over until the disputes panel have looked and ruled one way looked at this and ruled one way or another. however, like i said, i think it's quite difficult there's not difficult for her to there's not really road back her really a road back for her whether the hard left has certainly been marginalised in the labour party and lots of them have chosen to leave or have been expelled. the work is never done. you can't be never done. i think you can't be complacent with these with these issues. great issues. you know, the great staff labour party head staff of the labour party head office carry doing office have to carry on doing the good work of getting rid of people aren't people whose views aren't compatible labour compatible with today's labour party shown party and as starmer shown leadership absolutely . leadership on this, absolutely. yeah. say, you know, yeah. i have to say, i you know, etteettwetw— yeah. i have to say, i you know, objectively, absolutely. did objectively, absolutely. he did

emew—tme- objectively, absolutely. he did show—this and. show leadership on this and werew— show leadership on this and wemw you— show leadership on this and harry, you know,— show leadership on this and harry, you know, the criticism of harry, you know, the criticism et mm — harry, you know, the criticism et mm meem— harry, you know, the criticism of him -been that- harry, you know, the criticism of him been that it's of him has been that it's tttttewtt— of him has been that it's difficult to— of him has been that it's difficult to know he really difficult to know what he really tettewee— difficult to know what he really tettewee m— difficult to know what he really believes in, that— difficult to know what he really believes in, that he tends to etee— believes in, that he tends to etee emt— believes in, that he tends to chop and change his mind. they went— chop and change his mind. they went em— chop and change his mind. they went onlbi9_ chop and change his mind. they went on big offensive with the went on a big offensive with the etwettteme— went on a big offensive with the advertising campaign, did advertising campaign, which did tete— advertising campaign, which did tete twe— advertising campaign, which did take the agenda.— advertising campaign, which did take the agenda. they dominated the take the agenda. they dominated tme-.— take the agenda. they dominated tme-. amt,— take the agenda. they dominated tme-. amt, wee— take the agenda. they dominated the . and, you know, i've the agenda. and, you know, i've teme— the agenda. and, you know, i've teme-twe— the agenda. and, you know, i've done-like that- the agenda. and, you know, i've done-like that in- the agenda. and, you know, i've done like that in the done things like that in the pet— done things like that in the eeet emt— done things like that in the eeet emt tt— done things like that in the past and it can— done things like that in the past and it can very, very past and it can be very, very etteettwe— past and it can be very, very effective. -yet - past and it can be very, very effective. -yet the - past and it can be very, very effective. yet the blowback past and it can be very, very effecwell yet the blowback past and it can be very, very effecwell , yet the blowback past and it can be very, very effecwell , when: the blowback past and it can be very, very effecwell , when hee blowback past and it can be very, very effecwell , when he was)wback past and it can be very, very effecwell , when he was at)ack past and it can be very, very effecwell , when he was at the was, well, when he was at the ces— was, well, when he was at the cm eetwettw— was, well, when he was at the cm eetwettw ,— was, well, when he was at the cps actually , he— was, well, when he was at the cps actually , he showed himself cps actually, he showed himself to cps actually, he showed himself te te— cps actually, he showed himself te be pretty— cps actually, he showed himself te te pretty-em— cps actually, he showed himself to be pretty on crime and to be pretty soft on crime and the— to be pretty soft on crime and the deportation— to be pretty soft on crime and the deportation of jamaican teetete— the deportation of jamaican rapists-these- the deportation of jamaican. rapists -these things. rapists and all of these things. do rapists and all of these things. tee we— rapists and all of these things. tee we te— rapists and all of these things. tee we te we— rapists and all of these things. do we do we you— rapists and all of these things. do we do we you know, you're eteettw— do we do we you know, you're clearly happy— do we do we you know, you're clearly happy to_ do we do we you know, you're clearly happy to be back in the tetew— clearly happy to be back in the tetew-twt— clearly happy to be back in the labour- but do- clearly happy to be back in the labour- but do we- clearly happy to be back in the labour but do we really labour party, but do we really mew— labour party, but do we really knew whet— labour party, but do we really knew wtet tt— labour party, but do we really know what it stands for? so i eem-t— know what it stands for? so i eem-t tmmt— know what it stands for? so i don't think he— know what it stands for? so i don't think he showed himself to be don't think he showed himself to te eett— don't think he showed himself to te eett em— don't think he showed himself to be soft on crime— don't think he showed himself to be soft on crime when he was ett- — be soft on crime when he was ett- lttmt— be soft on crime when he was dpp..think it's— be soft on crime when he was dpp. ithink it's a- be soft on crime when he was dpp.-think it's a it's- be soft on crime when he was dpp.-think it's a it's a- dpp. i think it's a it's a complex job think he complex job and i think he would, know, he's proud of would, you know, he's proud of his record you know, his record and, you know, i think that's the reason why everybody would an everybody thought he would be an excellent leader of the people with saville at him. and with jemmy saville at him. and they'll throw all these t and they'll throw all these things emtteeetw—el endlessly. but that's just a met-e— endlessly. but that's just a tmet-e e— endlessly. but that's just a that's a slur. _ endlessly. but that's just a that's a slur. : that's a slur. that's not based that's a slur. that's not based that's based in or that's not based in fact or reason back. well, you reason that goes back. well, you say that,

reason that goes back. well, you eew ttet, tet— reason that goes back. well, you eew met, but ._ reason that goes back. well, you say that, but i mean— reason that goes back. well, you say that, but i mean but- reason that goes back. well, you say that, but i mean but i- t g f well, you say that, but i mean but i mean, you— say that, but i mean but i mean, wee mew,— say that, but i mean but i mean, you knew mete— say that, but i mean but i mean, you know, there could have been a you know, there could have been eeeee eeemet— you know, there could have been a case against saville, couldn't mewee— a case against saville, couldn't tmetee eet— a case against saville, couldn't there? but that— a case against saville, couldn't there? but that goes back you there? but that goes back to you emewtt— there? but that goes back to you eteme—tet- there? but that goes back to you should—but that. there? but that goes back to you. should _but that goes should have been. but that goes back point about back to your point about generating the of content generating the type of content that cut through. that generates cut through. right. something right. so saying something outlandish or risque is the is the way you get heard by the way that you get heard by people. this why people. and so this is why politicians have all stripes are starting this new way starting to embrace this new way of communicating, which is why, you advertising of communicating, which is why, you was advertising of communicating, which is why, you was particularly campaign was particularly effective it's local effective because it's a local election lots of election campaign. lots of people paying attention, people aren't paying attention, but to gain cut but they managed to gain cut through, has through, which shows that he has got the strategy that got exactly the strategy that you be minister > you need to be prime minister > do think he's going to win? do you think he's going to win? eem-t— do you think he's going to win? eem-t-tt-e— do you think he's going to win? eem-t-tt-e e— do you think he's going to win? don't-it's a long- do you think he's going to win? don't-it's a long way- do you think he's going to win? don't-it's a long way tol don't you? it's a long way to go, but polls suggest so. go, but the polls suggest so. well, see a lot hard well, we'll see a lot of hard work. we'll see. harry burns, tmemt— work. we'll see. harry burns, tmemt wee— work. we'll see. harry burns, them you wett— we'll see. harry burns, thank you very much indeed for temme— thank you very much indeed for temme me— thank you very much indeed for temme amt— thank you very much indeed for joining me. and yeah, you know, it's joining me. and yeah, you know, tt-e-e— joining me. and yeah, you know, tt-e-e 9°0d_ joining me. and yeah, you know, tt-e-e eeet-e- joining me. and yeah, you know, it's-a good-a good- it's been a good day, a good cemete— it's been a good day, a good eewete et— it's been a good day, a good eewete et tewe— it's been a good day, a good couple of days for keir starmer. i couple of days for keir starmer. t—eteme— couple of days for keir starmer. i_diane abbott,- i don't think diane abbott, i mean, she was— i don't think diane abbott, i mean, she was a— i don't think diane abbott, i mean, she was a trailblazer in teete— mean, she was a trailblazer in weete—tem-t- mean, she was a trailblazer in years-don't think. mean, she was a trailblazer in years don't think in years gone by. i don't think in eemt— years gone by. i don't think in recent-she's— years gone by. i don't think in recent-she's been- years gone by. i don't think in recent-she's been of recent times she's been much of an recent times she's been much of em-eeeet— recent times she's been much of em-eeeet te— recent times she's been much of an-asset to the - an electoral asset to the conservative _ an electoral asset to the conservative party. now the eewemmemt— conservative party. now the government court. they'll government are in court. they'll be government are in court. they'll teleewt— government are in court. they'll teleewt tet— government are in court. they'll belcourt for four— government are in court. they'll be court for four days this be in court for four days this week— be in court for four days this week-over the- be in court for four days this week over the rwanda week and it's over the rwanda etem—

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resources. so i'd go for an international— resources. so i'd go for an international safe haven right now , you're listening to gb news now, you're listening to gb news teete— now, you're listening to gb news tette .— now, you're listening to gb news tette . — now, you're listening to gb news tette . wett— now, you're listening to gb news tette . wett .— now, you're listening to gb news radio . well , we— now, you're listening to gb news radio . �*ft�*tt; now, you're listening to gb news radio . radio. well, we always knew whatever the government did, there would be endless legal challenges , as some of them as a challenges, as some of them as a result of the echr and others , result of the echr and others, of course, because the human rights act, of course, is in british law. now, the government are british law. now, the government et— british law. now, the government are of course, trying— british law. now, the government are of course, trying in— e now, the government are of course, trying in many, mem— are of course, trying in many, many wewe. — are of course, trying in many, many wewe. m— are of course, trying in many, many wewe. m e— are of course, trying in many, many ways. in a moment i'll come to many ways. in a moment i'll come te e— many ways. in a moment i'll come te e repert— many ways. in a moment i'll come te e teeett em— many ways. in a moment i'll come to a report on rwanda. but for now:— to a report on rwanda. but for now, some-your— to a report on rwanda. but for now, some your thoughts on now, some of your thoughts on eteme— now, some of your thoughts on eteme-eemme- now, some of your thoughts on diane-coming in.- now, some of your thoughts on diane coming in. sean diane abbott coming in. sean eewe— diane abbott coming in. sean eewe wee— diane abbott coming in. sean says once you have been kicked out says once you have been kicked ewt et— says once you have been kicked ewt et e— says once you have been kicked out of a political— says once you have been kicked out of a political party, your eetttteet— out of a political party, your eetttteet-te- out of a political party, your political-is over. - out of a political party, your political is over. well, political career is over. well, met— political career is over. well, not necessarily,— political career is over. well, not necessarily, because you not necessarily, no, because you eem-tet— not necessarily, no, because you eemltet teet— not necessarily, no, because you eemltet teet m— not necessarily, no, because you can let back in, elliott can be let back in, elliott eewe— can be let back in, elliott says. probably— can be let back in, elliott says. probably whether she can ewwwe— says. probably whether she can ewwtwe ee— says. probably whether she can ewwtwe ee e— says. probably whether she can survive as a labour mp would be a survive as a labour mp would be ewtete— survive as a labour mp would be e wtete emet— survive as a labour mp would be a whole other question. if she, jeremy— a whole other question. if she, jeremy cemwm— a whole other question. if she, jeremy corbyn and other labour exttee— jeremy corbyn and other labour exiles formed— jeremy corbyn and other labour exiles formed their own party, mew— exiles formed their own party, they teete— exiles formed their own party, they could become a major thorn in they could become a major thorn m tetew-e— they could become a major thorn in labour's side.— they could become a major thorn in labour's side. well, what mew— in labour's side. well, what they teete— in labour's side. well, what they could do— in labour's side. well, what they could do ,_ in labour's side. well, what they could do , yes, is get a they could do, yes, is get a vete— they could do, yes, is get a

wete met— they could do, yes, is get a vote that might— they could do, yes, is get a vote that might damage labour in et— vote that might damage labour in et twe— vote that might damage labour in some of the inner— vote that might damage labour in some of the inner cities. but tet— some of the inner cities. but twt ._ some of the inner cities. but twt . eweeeet— some of the inner cities. but but i suspect the— some of the inner cities. but but i suspect the kind of seats in but i suspect the kind of seats m wmet— but i suspect the kind of seats m with mew— but i suspect the kind of seats in which they would get a good memete— in which they would get a good memeet et— in which they would get a good number of votes— in which they would get a good number of votes are the kind of eeete— number of votes are the kind of eeete m— number of votes are the kind of seats in which— number of votes are the kind of seats in which labour's lead is eteetetetw— seats in which labour's lead is absolutely ginormous and tmettw— absolutely ginormous and meet, eet— absolutely ginormous and finally, gav says she shouldn't be finally, gav says she shouldn't te ettewet— finally, gav says she shouldn't be allowed in— finally, gav says she shouldn't be allowed in politics again . be allowed in politics again. tet— be allowed in politics again. tet ttte— be allowed in politics again. but this sort— be allowed in politics again. but this sort of— be allowed in politics again. but this sort of thing is rife in but this sort of thing is rife it me— but this sort of thing is rife in the labour— but this sort of thing is rife in the labour party. well if you tettewe— in the labour party. well if you tettewe ete— in the labour party. well if you believe sir keir— in the labour party. well if you believe sir keir starmer that is wet— believe sir keir starmer that is wtet te— believe sir keir starmer that is wtet te te— believe sir keir starmer that is what he is trying— believe sir keir starmer that is what he is trying to stamp out. so what he is trying to stamp out. se tweete— what he is trying to stamp out. se twemte ,— what he is trying to stamp out. so rwanda , let's— what he is trying to stamp out. so rwanda , let's remind so rwanda, let's remind ourselves the- so rwanda, let's remind ourselves the home secretary went— ourselves the home secretary wemt te— ourselves the home secretary went to rwanda _ ourselves the home secretary went to rwanda last month, but is went to rwanda last month, but te mew— went to rwanda last month, but te teetme— went to rwanda last month, but is now facing legal challenges . is now facing legal challenges. hewe— is now facing legal challenges. tewe e— is now facing legal challenges. tewe e teet. — is now facing legal challenges. have a look. have— is now facing legal challenges. have a look. have a listen to me— have a look. have a listen to ttte teeteee— have a look. have a listen to this package on— have a look. have a listen to this package on rwanda and the tem— this package on rwanda and the court case from _ this package on rwanda and the court case from gb— this package on rwanda and the court case from gb news own mark wttte— court case from gb news own mark we, we— court case from gb news own mark wine, tte teme— court case from gb news own mark white, the home secretary's high teettte— white, the home secretary's high teettte wett— white, the home secretary's high profile visit to— white, the home secretary's high profile visit to rwanda just teet— profile visit to rwanda just teet memtt— profile visit to rwanda just last month was— profile visit to rwanda just last month was proof, if any were needed— last month was proof, if any were needed ,_ last month was proof, if any were needed , of— last month was proof, if any were needed , of just how vital were needed, of just how vital the were needed, of just how vital tte tw— were needed, of just how vital the uk government views the deal wttt— the uk government views the deal wttt tte— the uk government views the deal with the african— the uk government views the deal with the african nation in its etteete— with the african nation in its etteete te— with the african nation in its efforts to halt— with the african nation in its efforts to halt the small boats eeete— efforts to halt the small boats eetete . — efforts to halt the small boats eetete. tte— efforts to halt the small boats crisis . it's over— efforts to halt the small boats crisis . it's over two- efforts to halt the small boats

crisis . e : crisis. it's over two days suella braverman was shown housing developments , education housing developments, education and training facilities and other support services is which the rwandan government says stand ready to host asylum seekers in the months ahead . but seekers in the months ahead. but of course all this stands or falls on arguments . british falls on arguments. british courts have still to reach a final decision on last december, the high court ruled the home office plans to send asylum seekers to the east african country where lawful this week it's the turn of the court of appeal to listen to the concern once again from asylum seekers and human rights groups who claim the policy is cruel and inhumane . when i sat down with inhumane. when i sat down with the home secretary in the rwandan capital kigali, she told me she was convinced her counterparts there would offer asylum seekers the chance of a good life and would respect their human rights. our partners

here are ready to do. they're ready to here are ready to do. they're ready te eetteet— here are ready to do. they're ready to support out- “ti;”tt; ttttt; ”tttetttzye t:ti they're ready to support out the “ti;”tt; tttit; ”cfc; t:tit they're ready to support out the uk in our ready to support out the uk in week— ready to support out the uk in weet te— ready to support out the uk in our work to stop— ready to support out the uk in our work to stop the boats to emt— our work to stop the boats to end tte— our work to stop the boats to end tte eee— our work to stop the boats to and fix our challenge of illegal mteeettem — and fix our challenge of illegal migration. we've— and fix our challenge of illegal migration. we've seen working wttt— migration. we've seen working wttt eee— migration. we've seen working with our friends— migration. we've seen working with our friends in rwanda , the with our friends in rwanda, the teette— with our friends in rwanda, the teette wte— with our friends in rwanda, the people who come— with our friends in rwanda, the people who come here will be eeeetttet— people who come here will be eeeetttet te — people who come here will be resettled to live _ people who come here will be resettled to live safe and secure life.— resettled to live safe and secure life. that's the humane, tememe— secure life. that's the humane, humane approach— secure life. that's the humane, humane approach and that's the eemteeetemete— humane approach and that's the compassionate approach. it's now ttem— compassionate approach. it's now ttem e— compassionate approach. it's now ttem e weee— compassionate approach. it's now more than a year since former emme— more than a year since former prime minister— more than a year since former prime minister boris johnson eeet— prime minister boris johnson eeet e— prime minister boris johnson eeet e wett— prime minister boris johnson used a visit to— prime minister boris johnson used a visit to kent to announce the used a visit to kent to announce tte tweete— used a visit to kent to announce the rwanda policy. tt; {5 i“tt;t: the rwanda policy. he claimed the rwanda policy. he claimed the threat that asylum seekers would end up in africa rather than the uk would hold the key to breaking the model of the people smugglers who sent more than 4000 5000 migrants across the channel last year. but efforts to send the first planeload of asylum seekers to rwanda were halted by last minute intervention by a judge in the european court of human

rights . the illegal in the european court of human rights. the illegal migration bill currently working its way through parliament, will give british judges more authority to disregard hard rulings made in strasbourg . but of course, all strasbourg. but of course, all that depends on the outcome of this week's court of appeal decision . and even if those decision. and even if those judges find in favour of the uk government tonight, it's more than likely this whole issue could end up in the supreme court with a final ruling. still many months away. mark white gb news well, it was a year ago , news well, it was a year ago, exactly a year ago, that boris johnson was there at lydd airport, making all these promises. the plan was promises. the rwanda plan was emteeetet— promises. the rwanda plan was unleashed rishi_ the rwanda plan was unleashed rishi sunak now says te-e— unleashed rishi sunak now says me going— unleashed rishi sunak now says me going te— unleashed rishi sunak now says me going te etee— unleashed rishi sunak now says he's going to stop the boats. tweet— he's going to stop the boats. tweet wttte— he's going to stop the boats. mark white, what your report tteee— mark white, what your report tteee te— mark white, what your report there is suggesting is endless teeet— there is suggesting is endless legal actions.— there is suggesting is endless legal actions. yeah, i mean , it legal actions. yeah, i mean, it eeettw— legal actions. yeah, i mean, it really epitomises_ legal actions. yeah, i mean, it really epitomises everything ttet— really epitomises everything ttettte— really epitomises everything that the government is up eeemet— that the government is up eeemet m— that the government is up against in this— that the government is up against in this small boat

at— against in this small boat crisis. at every- against in this small boat crisis. '. ”g ”ti; against in this small boat- crisis. at every move where they try to come up with a solution or a part solution and they're met with countless legal challenges. we've seen it, of course, over the rwanda plan. we've seen it with plans to have more purpose built, larger scale accommodation centres for those who are in this country to get away from the overreliance on hotels . at every turn, there are hotels. at every turn, there are those as part of this huge industry who are willing to go to the courts to try to challenge an industry . it is, challenge an industry. it is, some would say it's a i: “cutest it is, some would say it's a very ewmteet— some would say it's a very cynical word. _ some would say it's a very cynical word. it- some would say it's a very cynical word. . : cynical word. it is an industry. i'm telling you, nigel, having followed this story for many years, right from the point that where those that want to come to the out the criminal the uk seek out the criminal gangs, those criminal gangs all of the way up their school these people in how best to avoid the authorities , what to do when authorities, what to do when they get to the northwest coast of france . it's with a view to of france. it's with a view to coming over to the uk, throwing away the passports and the mobile phones that you and i

have witnessed out in these boats, in the channels. and then it's into the hands of the refugee charities, the human rights groups and the lawyers who are there to take on their part of this industrial process , which is offering, as of course, they would, being lawyers and being human rights groups, all of the help and assist once they come to these people to ensure that they're bid to stay here in the uk as an asylum seeker is ultimately accepted. and all of this , many accepted. and all of this, many of them are. and all of this in tte— of them are. and all of this in tte teet— of them are. and all of this in the last couple— of them are. and all of this in the last couple of— tttit; and all of this in the last couple of days we've teemet— the last couple of days we've learned that— the last couple of days we've learned that a— the last couple of days we've learned that a 17— the last couple of days we've learned that a 17 year old was eeteettw— learned that a 17 year old was eeteettw tet.— learned that a 17 year old was actually 42. and— learned that a 17 year old was actually 42. and we also learn ttet— actually 42. and we also learn ttet eem— actually 42. and we also learn ttet tt— actually 42. and we also learn that even if the _ actually 42. and we also learn that even if the government wins this that even if the government wins ttte emt— that even if the government wins ttte emt wtme— that even if the government wins this and wins at— that even if the government wins this and wins at the supreme teem.— this and wins at the supreme ceeet. wttet— this and wins at the supreme court, which they may well for all court, which they may well for ett t— court, which they may well for ett t mew— court, which they may well for all i know that— court, which they may well for all i know that individual teette— all i know that individual people appealing will also get teeet— people appealing will also get teeet ett— people appealing will also get teeet ett. t— people appealing will also get legal aid. i mean, it seems to be legal aid. i mean, it seems to te me— legal aid. i mean, it seems to te me emt— legal aid. i mean, it seems to te me emt te— legal aid. i mean, it seems to be no end to this.— legal aid. i mean, it seems to be no end to this. also a eeeteettet— be no end to this. also a suggestion, mark, that the young tmtteme— suggestion, mark, that the young tmtteme ttet— suggestion, mark, that the young indians that are— suggestion, mark, that the young indians that are coming are temme— indians that are coming are coming because— indians that are coming are coming because they want to apply— coming because they want to apply-asymme— coming because they want to apply asylum, on apply for asylum, get on emtweeettw— apply for asylum, get on

university courses and pay half the university courses and pay half tte emeet— university courses and pay half the amount if— university courses and pay half the amount if they're here that ttet— the amount if they're here that ttew weett— the amount if they're here that they weett ee— the amount if they're here that they would as foreign nationals. i they would as foreign nationals. t meem— they would as foreign nationals. t tt— they would as foreign nationals. i mean, it seems— they would as foreign nationals. i mean, it seems whatever the eewemmemt— i mean, it seems whatever the government tries— i mean, it seems whatever the government tries to do without teme— government tries to do without doing something— government tries to do without doing something thing that eteete— doing something thing that eteete tte— doing something thing that upsets the international eemmemttw— upsets the international community, namely just sending teette— community, namely just sending teette teet— community, namely just sending teette teet te— community, namely just sending people back to france, we're not going— people back to france, we're not going te— people back to france, we're not going te eetwe— people back to france, we're not going to solve this,— people back to france, we're not going to solve this, are we? teem— going to solve this, are we? veet. t— going to solve this, are we? veet. t mem— going to solve this, are we? yeah, i mean, they- going to solve this, are we? yeah, i mean, they are- going to solve this, are we? yeah, i mean, they are tied in knots, nigel, by the process at every turn. and you know, you ask yourself, does it require then from the government get a commitment and a backbone , if commitment and a backbone, if you like to say no more, we have to take a very decisive, decisive decision, which may mean that more often we are ignonng mean that more often we are ignoring rules coming from strasbourg, but they're very reluctant to do that because they're rightly proud of the fact that we, you know , that we fact that we, you know, that we wrote the rules 75 years ago. but actually on the echr- but actually on the echr thing, you but actually on the echr thing, wee mew.— but actually on the echr thing, wee mew. emt— but actually on the echr thing, you know, and we've pushed hard on you know, and we've pushed hard em ttte— you know, and we've pushed hard em ttte teeeeem — you know, and we've pushed hard on this program and others on ttte— on this program and others on ttte etemet— on this program and others on this channel and— on this program and others on this channel and tory, some tory ttte.— this channel and tory, some tory ttte. met— this channel and tory, some tory ttte. met memw— this channel and tory, some tory mps, not many agree, but eeteettw— mps, not many agree, but actually the—

mps, not many agree, but actually the government seems happy— actually the government seems tettw wttt— actually the government seems tettw wttt tte— actually the government seems happy with the echr . as you say, happy with the echr. as you say, ttew— happy with the echr. as you say, ttew wee— happy with the echr. as you say, they were actually— happy with the echr. as you say, they were actually using echr eett— they were actually using echr tctt eetee— they were actually using echr echr rules against braintree ttetetet— echr rules against braintree district councils— echr rules against braintree district councils over weatherfield. i mean , we're weatherfield. i mean, we're eeeett— weatherfield. i mean, we're eeeett m— weatherfield. i mean, we're eeeett m e— weatherfield. i mean, we're caught in a complete impasse teee. — caught in a complete impasse teee. teem— caught in a complete impasse here. yeah, and— caught in a complete impasse here. yeah, and i— caught in a complete impasse here. / tttt“t: here. yeah, and i think from the government's point of view, what they are anxious to show at the moment is at least momentum that they are trying to do things, trying to come up with what they see as at least partial solutions to stopping the small boats. and that's why we're seeing, you know, the move towards these more larger scale accommodation centres. the rwanda policy arnie more agreements and deals with france on that side of the channel, the better cooperation with law enforcement. they want to show that they're doing something . that they're doing something. they want to portray labour law as not having much of a plan except for this mantra that they keep repeating, which is we need to give more money to the national crime agency to have better law enforcement . but to better law enforcement. but to better law enforcement. but to be fair to the government,

better law enforcement. but to be fair to the government , they be fair to the government, they have given more money to the national crime agency. it's cooperating much than it cooperating much more than it ever hundreds of millions ever did. hundreds of millions more france and nothing more to france and nothing changes for 97 cross on saturday in what was a relatively small window. so in the whether the etemet-e— window. so in the whether the channel's been— : so in the whether the channel's been rough for week ettee— channel's been rough for week ettee week— channel's been rough for week after week after— channel's been rough for week after week after week do you eeeee — after week after week do you eeeee wttt— after week after week do you eeeee wttt me— after week after week do you agree with me mark that come mee— agree with me mark that come june july— agree with me mark that come june july big— agree with me mark that come june july big high pressure ewetem— june july big high pressure ewetem ette— june july big high pressure system sits over the channel for a system sits over the channel for e eeette— system sits over the channel for a couple-weeks?— system sits over the channel for a couple weeks? we're going a couple of weeks? we're going to a couple of weeks? we're going te te— a couple of weeks? we're going to be overwhelmed, aren't we? tte— to be overwhelmed, aren't we? the government— to be overwhelmed, aren't we? the government has been meeettttw— the government has been incredibly lucky that the weettee— incredibly lucky that the weather has— incredibly lucky that the weather has been so atrocious in the weather has been so atrocious in tte ctemet— weather has been so atrocious in the channel over— weather has been so atrocious in the channel over the last few memtte— the channel over the last few memtte. — the channel over the last few memtte. se— the channel over the last few months. so we're- the channel over the last few months. i months. so we're actually probably a bit less than we were at same period last year. at the same period last year. 5500 people have still crossed the channel despite those weather conditions . you're weather conditions. you're right, the second we get to that flat calm period where we've got great conditions, very , very great conditions, very, very light winds in the channel, they'll be coming across and we'll be hitting 800 to 1000 most days easily. and then exactly as you say , what we

exactly as you say, what we witnessed in the height of summer last year with manston being absolutely overwhelmed , it being absolutely overwhelmed, it was gridlock there. they couldn't get the emergency hotel accommodation in quickly enough to funnel people out into . so to funnel people out into. so they were stuck in manston for weeks at a time. mark white, ttemt— weeks at a time. mark white, ttemt wee. — weeks at a time. mark white, thank you. we're— e mark white, thank you. we're going to need a eeeet— thank you. we're going to need a eeeet tte— thank you. we're going to need a new great big barge. maybe two eeet— new great big barge. maybe two eeeet tte— new great big barge. maybe two eeeet big teeeee— new great big barge. maybe two great big barges or an zaf camp or great big barges or an zaf camp ee eteet— great big barges or an zaf camp ee eteet twe— great big barges or an zaf camp or about five hotels every emtte— or about five hotels every emtte ttew.— or about five hotels every emtte tew. tt— or about five hotels every single day. if this problem teem-t— single day. if this problem hasn't come— single day. if this problem hasn't come to— single day. if this problem hasn't come to your neighbourhood , i promise you neighbourhood, i promise you it's neighbourhood, i promise you tt-e temme— neighbourhood, i promise you me coming weew— neighbourhood, i promise you it's coming very soon. in a memet— it's coming very soon. in a memet tte— it's coming very soon. in a moment, the war in sudan . do you moment, the war in sudan. do you mew— moment, the war in sudan. do you knew wtet-e— moment, the war in sudan. do you know what's really— moment, the war in sudan. do you know what's really going on? and do know what's really going on? and te wee— know what's really going on? and te wee mew— know what's really going on? and do you know what's— know what's really going on? and do you know what's happening? wtet— do you know what's happening? wtet te— do you know what's happening? wtet te tte— do you know what's happening? what is the plight of the tetttet— what is the plight of the british people? there richard teme— british people? there richard teme-me- british people? there richard teme-me m- british people? there richard kemp me in just a

how britain moves forward from this. join us here on gb news, the people's . channel now, a the people's. channel now, a couple of years ago, the fall of kabul couple of years ago, the fall of kabul, we understood that the taliban, who we'd fought for 20 years, had taken back the city

and country. it was easy to and the country. it was easy to understand, but i'll have a bet that many of you watching, listening to this have been heanng listening to this have been hearing about this outbreak of war in sudan over the last couple of days. trapped british nationals , many other nationals, many other nationalities there to . and i nationalities there to. and i wonder whether you've got an earthly clue as to who is fighting whom . i suspect in most fighting whom. i suspect in most cases not. don't be embarrassed about it, which is why we've got colonel richard kemp on telegraph columnist and former british commander in afghanistan , a man who knows about this subject . now, obviously, subject. now, obviously, richard, a historically sudan british colony, lord kitchener of khartoum, all of those things. but what is actually happening? please who's who's on what side ? and i think kitchener what side? and i think kitchener would find it hard to recognise what's going on now. but essentially the— essentially the government of setem— essentially the government of setem .— essentially the government of setem . tte— essentially the government of sudan , the temporary government sudan, the temporary government of sudan, the temporary government et seem.— sudan, the temporary government et setem. te— sudan, the temporary government of sudan, is headed by general teem— of sudan, is headed by general teeee. wte— of sudan, is headed by general teeee. wte te— of sudan, is headed by general doran, who is also— of sudan, is headed by general doran, who is also the chief of etett— doran, who is also the chief of etett et—

doran, who is also the chief of etett et tte— doran, who is also the chief of staff of the armed— doran, who is also the chief of staff of the armed forces and his staff of the armed forces and tte tteee— staff of the armed forces and tte ttet et— staff of the armed forces and his kind of henchman was a guy eettet— his kind of henchman was a guy called hemetti_ his kind of henchman was a guy called hemetti . _ his kind of henchman was a guy called hemetti . ' “t: his kind of henchman was a guy called hemetti . “t: called hemetti. and hemetti also commanded a kind of militia force, part of part of the government as well, called the rapid support forces. government as well, called the rapid support forces . and rapid support forces. and hemetti has turned on doran, and he's used his significant rapid support forces to attempt to bnng support forces to attempt to bring down doran and to take over the government himself. and that's that fighting has now been going on for about a week between those two rival factions within sudan. and it's worth noting , by the way, that noting, by the way, that supporters of both of these two generals is the wagner group , generals is the wagner group, the russian wagner group, which has been so active in ukraine, which is backing probably backing a bit more the rebels than they were backing the chief of staff, the government forces. but they've got their murky handsin but they've got their murky hands in there as well . okay. so hands in there as well. okay. so it's a split , but effectively- it's a split, but effectively wtttm— it's a split, but effectively wtttm tte— it's a split, but effectively within the military and within the government— within the military and within the government in sudan , the the government in sudan, the teet— the government in sudan, the teet tteee— the government in sudan, the teet tteeee t— the government in sudan, the last figure i saw— the government in sudan, the last figure i saw was about 400

teette— last figure i saw was about 400 teette ttttet— last figure i saw was about 400 people killed. so— last figure i saw was about 400 people killed. so far. would ttet— people killed. so far. would ttet eeete— people killed. so far. would that sound right to you ? / that sound right to you? yeah, i met— that sound right to you? yeah, i ttmt eeetettw— that sound right to you? yeah, i think probably more than that's probably the figure we're getting. but i would guess it'll be quite a bit more than that and probably a huge number more wounded as well. yeah. and the eemeetette— wounded as well. yeah. and the remarkable thing— “t:ti;t: yeah. and the remarkable thing looking at all of remarkable thing looking at all et ttte— remarkable thing looking at all et ttte te— remarkable thing looking at all of this is that— remarkable thing looking at all of this is that other nationalities, the french, the tetet— nationalities, the french, the tetet. tte — nationalities, the french, the dutch, the italians , the dutch, the italians, the stemet. — dutch, the italians, the spanish, they've managed to eeeemee— spanish, they've managed to eeeemee ete— spanish, they've managed to organise air transport. yeah, eet— organise air transport. yeah, eet eee— organise air transport. yeah, we've got our diplomats and met— we've got our diplomats and their families— we've got our diplomats and their families out. but those ettee— their families out. but those other european— their families out. but those other european countries have memeet— other european countries have memeet te— other european countries have memeet te ttw— other european countries have managed to fly up many hundreds of managed to fly up many hundreds et ttete— managed to fly up many hundreds et ttete ewe— managed to fly up many hundreds of their own nationals stuck tteee— of their own nationals stuck tteee .— of their own nationals stuck tteee . te— of their own nationals stuck tteee . te mw— of their own nationals stuck there . to my knowledge, up until there. to my knowledge, up until weeteetew— there. to my knowledge, up until weeteetew .— there. to my knowledge, up until weeteetew . ttew.— there. to my knowledge, up until yesterday , they, the british yesterday, they, the british government _ yesterday, they, the british government hadn't even community tetetet— government hadn't even community tetetet wttt— government hadn't even community debated with them— government hadn't even community debated with them how many brits do debated with them how many brits te wee— debated with them how many brits te wee teet— debated with them how many brits do you think are— debated with them how many brits do you think are trapped there ? do you think are trapped there? wett— do you think are trapped there? wett. tte— do you think are trapped there? well, the figures— do you think are trapped there? well, the figures vary— do you think are trapped there? well, the figures vary .- do you think are trapped there? well, the figures vary. between about 2004 thousand british, which is a fraction of the about 16 to 18,000 americans that are thought to be trapped there and have been told by their president that no chance of them being got out. but i don't think we should be overcritical of the

government here, because i've no doubt whatsoever that they're making the efforts they can making the best efforts they can to attempt some kind of rescue operation for these citizens that are remaining. it's very, very difficult as it, of course, difficult for other countries who have had maybe a bit more success early on because, you know, the people are scattered across khartoum . they're across khartoum. they're scattered across other parts of the country . internet the country. internet communications are out for most of the time. it's hard to put to keep tabs on where people are and who they are. so it's a hugely complicated operation. it could be attempted, but of course, the government will have to make a judgement as to how dangerous it's going to be. both for the hostages and also for the troops . as the large number the troops. as the large number of troops that would be involved. now we have sas involved. now we have got sas forces there who of course forces out there who of course were involved in to get were involved in helping to get out british diplomats and out the british diplomats and their families out . what is the their families out. what is the eeettmtee— their families out. what is the continuing role— their families out. what is the continuing role of— their families out. what is the continuing role of the- . t what is the continuing role of the sas in seteee— continuing role of the sas in teteee aet— continuing role of the sas in sudan? and don't they don't they ttet— sudan? and don't they don't they find themselves— sudan? and don't they don't they find themselves in— sudan? and don't they don't they find themselves in a very

ttttteett— find themselves in a very difficult, dangerous position ? difficult, dangerous position? wett— difficult, dangerous position? wett. tte— difficult, dangerous position? well, it's what— difficult, dangerous position? well, it's what the— difficult, dangerous position? well, it's what the sas- difficult, dangerous position? well, it's what the sas has fought to overcome difficulties and to face danger. and they do it very, very competently in my experience. yes of course, it's a tough mission for them, what they'll be doing. of course, now now is two things, i think. one is to be reconnoitring to establish how best to carry out a rescue, to try and identify where as many people are as they can. and at the same time to be poised if british citizens are taken hostage, for example, by one faction or the other , one faction or the other, possibility to be poised to carry out a surgical operation to rescue them. but that's basically they're the eyes and ears on the ground of the british armed forces that might then launch a bigger scale operation. richard kemp, thank you for coming on, discussing sudan with us. i've no doubt wett— sudan with us. i've no doubt we-tt tett— sudan with us. i've no doubt we'll talk again— sudan with us. i've no doubt we'll talk again over- : i've no doubt we'll talk again over the course of we'll talk again over the course et tee— we'll talk again over the course et tee eeet— we'll talk again over the course of the next few— we'll talk again over the course of the next few days. many tteete— of the next few days. many thanks indeed.— of the next few days. many thanks indeed. and of course, meew— thanks indeed. and of course, meew et— thanks indeed. and of course, meew et ee— thanks indeed. and of course, many of us remember the sas raid on many of us remember the sas raid ee tee— many of us remember the sas raid ee tee teeetee— many of us remember the sas raid on the iranian embassy in teetee— on the iranian embassy in

teetee. tt— on the iranian embassy in london. it was— on the iranian embassy in london. it was quite extraordinary. now what the teeeee— extraordinary. now what the farage moment— extraordinary. now what the farage moment really over farage moment really came over the farage moment really came over tee—tee- the weekend, the king has eeeetetet— the weekend, the king has appointed two— the weekend, the king has appointed two new members of the eetee— appointed two new members of the eetee et— appointed two new members of the eetee et tee— appointed two new members of the order of the garter. _ appointed two new members of the order of the garter. it is well temee— order of the garter. it is well tettet tte— order of the garter. it is well behind the victoria cross , i behind the victoria cross, i eeeeeee— behind the victoria cross, i eeeeeee eeettw— behind the victoria cross, i suppose pretty much the biggest eweet— suppose pretty much the biggest eweet ttet— suppose pretty much the biggest award that the— suppose pretty much the biggest award that the king can give out and award that the king can give out eet tte— award that the king can give out and his choices— award that the king can give out and his choices ?_ award that the king can give out and his choices ? well, one is and his choices? well, one is teet— and his choices? well, one is teet tettee— and his choices? well, one is teet tettee .— and his choices? well, one is lord patton . now, of course, lord patton. now, of course, teet— lord patton. now, of course, teee ttme— lord patton. now, of course, long time conservative member of teettemeet— long time conservative member of parliament, governor , last parliament, governor, last eewemeeet— parliament, governor, last governor of hong kong, and then an governor of hong kong, and then ee ttt— governor of hong kong, and then an eu commissioner. well, i eeeeeee— an eu commissioner. well, i eeeeeee ee-e— an eu commissioner. well, i suppose he's had a long career in suppose he's had a long career te eettte— suppose he's had a long career te eettte ttte.— suppose he's had a long career in public life. the— suppose he's had a long career in public life. the other baroness, ashton, cathy ashton, teet— baroness, ashton, cathy ashton, teee ttme— baroness, ashton, cathy ashton, long time operative within the eemeetee— long time operative within the eemeetee tee— long time operative within the campaign for nuclear disarmament, who married well, memet— disarmament, who married well, meeetet e— disarmament, who married well, meeetet e wett— disarmament, who married well, married a well known pollster . married a well known pollster. aet— married a well known pollster. tet eteet.— married a well known pollster. and indeed, at— married a well known pollster. and indeed, at one point labour teeee— and indeed, at one point labour teeee wee— and indeed, at one point labour teeee wte .— and indeed, at one point labour donor who , for— and indeed, at one point labour donor who , for reasons that donor who, for reasons that tetettw— donor who, for reasons that totally baffled _ donor who, for reasons that totally baffled me at the time, ttetetet— totally baffled me at the time, ttetetet ee— totally baffled me at the time, finished up as— totally baffled me at the time, finished up as a— totally baffled me at the time, finished up as a european commissioner.— finished up as a european commissioner. she had, as i said on commissioner. she had, as i said ee tee— commissioner. she had, as i said ee tee teet— commissioner. she had, as i said on her first day,— commissioner. she had, as i said on her first day, risen without tee — on her first day, risen without tee tet— on her first day, risen without trace. but for— on her first day, risen without trace. but for the _ on her first day, risen without trace. but for the king's first twe— trace. but for the king's first two appointments, both to be

teemee— two appointments, both to be former european— two appointments, both to be former european commissioner as wet.— former european commissioner as wett we— former european commissioner as wett we meet— former european commissioner as well. we haven't had more than a eeeete— well. we haven't had more than a eeeete et— well. we haven't had more than a couple of dozen— well. we haven't had more than a couple of dozen over— well. we haven't had more than a couple of dozen over the last twe— couple of dozen over the last twe teeetee. — couple of dozen over the last two decades. seems remarkable . two decades. seems remarkable. aet— two decades. seems remarkable. tet ett— two decades. seems remarkable. tet ett et— two decades. seems remarkable. and all of that— two decades. seems remarkable. and all of that as— two decades. seems remarkable. and all of that as we learn that tettewtee— and all of that as we learn that following raab's_ and all of that as we learn that following raab's resignation in temee— following raab's resignation in teeetee eet.— following raab's resignation in forcing out, call— following raab's resignation in forcing out, call it what you wttt.— forcing out, call it what you wttt. ett— forcing out, call it what you will, all that— forcing out, call it what you will, all that now in the cetteet— will, all that now in the cabinet that— will, all that now in the cabinet that there are 21 remainer ers— cabinet that there are 21 remainer ers and eight leavers. vee— remainer ers and eight leavers. wee wee.— remainer ers and eight leavers. wee vee- tee— remainer ers and eight leavers. yes yes. the establishment is teet— yes yes. the establishment is teet ttemtw— yes yes. the establishment is back firmly, completely and tetettw— back firmly, completely and tetettw te— back firmly, completely and totally in charge . in a moment, totally in charge. in a moment, we tete— totally in charge. in a moment, we have various— totally in charge. in a moment, we have various countries meettee— we have various countries meettee tetew— we have various countries meeting today to discuss turning meet.— meeting today to discuss turning meet. tt— meeting today to discuss turning meet. tt weett— meeting today to discuss turning most, it would seem, of the weett— most, it would seem, of the weett see— most, it would seem, of the north sea into— most, it would seem, of the north sea into a— most, it would seem, of the north sea into a wind farm. does teet— north sea into a wind farm. does ttet mete— north sea into a wind farm. does that make sense— north sea into a wind farm. does that make sense ._

well what a busy few days. it's teee— well what a busy few days. it's teee e— well what a busy few days. it's been a plethora— well what a busy few days. it's been a plethora of— well what a busy few days. it's been a plethora of stories and

teet— been a plethora of stories and one that seems— been a plethora of stories and one that seems to— been a plethora of stories and one that seems to have had very ttttte— one that seems to have had very little attention,— one that seems to have had very little attention, but— one that seems to have had very little attention, but i think is weetew— little attention, but i think is weettw et— little attention, but i think is worthy of debate is that grant steepe— worthy of debate is that grant seeeee te— worthy of debate is that grant seeeee te te— worthy of debate is that grant shapps is in ostend today and yes,— shapps is in ostend today and wee. te-e— shapps is in ostend today and wee. ee-e tteee— shapps is in ostend today and yes, he's there with representatives from belgium, eeemeew.— representatives from belgium, germany, france— representatives from belgium, germany, france , norway, the germany, france, norway, the netherlands,— germany, france, norway, the netherlands, denmark, ireland and netherlands, denmark, ireland eet tee— netherlands, denmark, ireland eet tee eeme— netherlands, denmark, ireland and for some reason land locked texemteeee— and for some reason land locked luxembourg. that— and for some reason land locked luxembourg. that one is a little bit luxembourg. that one is a little ttt teweet— luxembourg. that one is a little ttt teweet me— luxembourg. that one is a little bit beyond me, but never mind. ttew-ee— bit beyond me, but never mind. ttew-ee tteee— bit beyond me, but never mind. they're there to— bit beyond me, but never mind. they're there to discuss the weett— they're there to discuss the weett see— they're there to discuss the north sea and— they're there to discuss the north sea and their ambition is to north sea and their ambition is te tete— north sea and their ambition is te tewe e— north sea and their ambition is te tewe e teee— north sea and their ambition is to have a four fold— north sea and their ambition is to have a four fold increase in wtet— to have a four fold increase in wtet eewee— to have a four fold increase in wtet eewee te— to have a four fold increase in wind power in the— to have a four fold increase in wind power in the next five weeee— wind power in the next five weeee eet— wind power in the next five weeee eet e— wind power in the next five years and a ten— wind power in the next five years and a ten fold increase in eteetetettw— years and a ten fold increase in electricity generation by wind teetteee— electricity generation by wind teetteee tw— electricity generation by wind turbines by 2050 from massive teettee— turbines by 2050 from massive turbine islands— turbines by 2050 from massive turbine islands that will be tettt— turbine islands that will be tettt eet— turbine islands that will be built out in— turbine islands that will be built out in the— turbine islands that will be built out in the north sea. some eemetttee— built out in the north sea. some eemetttee ee— built out in the north sea. some something on this— built out in the north sea. some something on this scale that is teme— something on this scale that is being considered— something on this scale that is being considered the potential environmental— being considered the potential environmental damage that it wttt— environmental damage that it wttt tte.— environmental damage that it wttt te. tee— environmental damage that it will do, the overreliance , as it will do, the overreliance, as it te— will do, the overreliance, as it seems to me, on— will do, the overreliance, as it seems to me, on intermittent eeeeew— seems to me, on intermittent eeeeew. teee— seems to me, on intermittent energy, does this— seems to me, on intermittent energy, does this actually make eet wew— energy, does this actually make sense and why is— energy, does this actually make sense and why is there so little tetetee— sense and why is there so little debate? laurie— sense and why is there so little debate? laurie laban langton is an environmental— debate? laurie laban langton is an environmental policy researcher and joins me live.

teeete— researcher and joins me live. teeete. te— researcher and joins me live. teeete. te tt— researcher and joins me live. laurie, is it because there's teet— laurie, is it because there's teet eeet— laurie, is it because there's teet eeet et— laurie, is it because there's just sort of like— laurie, is it because there's just sort of like a sort of tetet— just sort of like a sort of total consensus in media and eettttee— total consensus in media and eettttee teet— total consensus in media and politics that this— total consensus in media and politics that this is the way to teette — politics that this is the way to tackle climate— politics that this is the way to tackle climate change? is that why— tackle climate change? is that wew tteee-e— tackle climate change? is that wew tteee-e ee— tackle climate change? is that why there's so little debate eteet— why there's so little debate eteet wtet— why there's so little debate about what i— why there's so little debate about what i think in ostend is about what i think in ostend is e weew— about what i think in ostend is a very significant— about what i think in ostend is a very significant get together of a very significant get together et ett— a very significant get together et ett tteee— a very significant get together of all these governments ? well of all these governments? well wtet— of all these governments? well wtet eewee— of all these governments? well wtet eewee te— of all these governments? well wind power is one— of all these governments? well wind power is one of a whole mix of wind power is one of a whole mix et tttteeeet— wind power is one of a whole mix of different ways— wind power is one of a whole mix of different ways of— wind power is one of a whole mix of different ways of generating eteetetettw— of different ways of generating electricity that _ of different ways of generating electricity that will help us tee— electricity that will help us become less _ electricity that will help us become less dependent on russian gas become less dependent on russian eee eet— become less dependent on russian eee eet tte— become less dependent on russian gas and the volatile— become less dependent on russian gas and the volatile fossil fuel meetete— gas and the volatile fossil fuel markets that— gas and the volatile fossil fuel markets that we've seen over the teet— markets that we've seen over the teet eeeete — markets that we've seen over the teet eeeete et— markets that we've seen over the last couple of years. so i think tteee-e— last couple of years. so i think there's a consensus that you need a range of technologies to help generate that electricity and ultimately mean that we're not dependent on high fossil fuel prices like we have been recently. i fuel prices like we have been recently . i get that, laurie. recently. i get that, laurie. tet— recently. i get that, laurie. tet eeeetw— recently. i get that, laurie. but surely the _ ”tt;ti.tt;“ i get that, laurie. but surely the point is the more eetteet— but surely the point is the more eetteet wee— but surely the point is the more reliant you become on north sea wtet— reliant you become on north sea wtet eeeeew— reliant you become on north sea wtet eeeeew. tt— reliant you become on north sea wind energy, if you— reliant you become on north sea wind energy, if you get stuck wttt— wind energy, if you get stuck wttt e— wind energy, if you get stuck wttt e tte— wind energy, if you get stuck with a big anticyclone in teteeeew— with a big anticyclone in teteeeew. wee— with a big anticyclone in february, you actually then in etteet— february, you actually then in effect become _ february, you actually then in effect become even more reliant

on effect become even more reliant ee eee— effect become even more reliant ee eee ee— effect become even more reliant on gas or something else to back it on gas or something else to back tt ee— on gas or something else to back tt ee . — on gas or something else to back tt ee . se— on gas or something else to back tt ee . se me— on gas or something else to back tt ee. se et— on gas or something else to back it up. so one of the— on gas or something else to back it up. so one of the reasons why there are so many countries represented today is because the they're trying to create a grid that works across all of europe. this is already largely there. the uk, for example, is hang on, it's connected to europe already and we need those connections. sometimes because we transfer electricity over to europe and we make money from it and sometimes we have to have electricity transferred over to us. it's a really useful mechanism that's got nothing to do with conspiracy theories. it's just good economic sense and good for energy security . and good for energy security. this will help with that as well . well, you know, you can say ttet.— . well, you know, you can say ttet. tet— . well, you know, you can say ttet. tet t— . well, you know, you can say that, but i was— . well, you know, you can say that, but i was in— well, you know, you can say that, but i was in the european teettemeet— that, but i was in the european teettemeet ee— that, but i was in the european parliament up until a couple of weeee— parliament up until a couple of weeee eee.— parliament up until a couple of years ago,-believe- parliament up until a couple of years ago, believe you me, years ago, and believe you me, a eeeeew— years ago, and believe you me, a common energy policy was a big eu common energy policy was a big tu -wew— common energy policy was a big ttt-new tet-e— common energy policy was a big eu - now let's talk- common energy policy was a big eu now let's talk about eu goal. now let's talk about tee—wee- eu goal. now let's talk abouti the—we're saying the environment. we're saying ttet.— the environment. we're saying teet.-.— the environment. we're saying teet.-. w-wee- the environment. we're saying that, , we've talked that, you know, we've talked eteet—eeet- that, you know, we've talked. about—cost before. about subsidy and cost before. i wee-t— about subsidy and cost before. i met 90— about subsidy and cost before. i met 90 tete— about subsidy and cost before. i won't go into that— about subsidy and cost before. i won't go into that today . let's won't go into that today. let's tete— won't go into that today. let's tett eteet— won't go into that today. let's talk about the _ won't go into that today. let's talk about the environment. you mew.— talk about the environment. you mew—te- talk about the environment. you mew—te eeetl know, we're told this is good teee— know, we're told this is good

teee tte— know, we're told this is good because it's zero— know, we're told this is good because it's zero carbon energy . we— because it's zero carbon energy . we eeete— because it's zero carbon energy . we eeete eeeee— because it's zero carbon energy . we could argue the same for mteee tet— . we could argue the same for nuclear, but let's— . we could argue the same for nuclear, but let's stick on this . a— nuclear, but let's stick on this . a etetw— nuclear, but let's stick on this . a etetw te— nuclear, but let's stick on this . a study in germany has shown teet— . a study in germany has shown ttet eeeeet— . a study in germany has shown that around the— . a study in germany has shown that around the wind farms off the that around the wind farms off tee temee— that around the wind farms off the german and— that around the wind farms off the german and dutch coasts, teet— the german and dutch coasts, teet eee— the german and dutch coasts, teet ttet— the german and dutch coasts, just one bird species is the eeeteeee— just one bird species is the northern diver— just one bird species is the northern diver has declined eeeeet— northern diver has declined eeeeet tee— northern diver has declined around the wind farms by 95. and even more miles— around the wind farms by 95. and even more miles away from the wtet— even more miles away from the wtet teeme— even more miles away from the wind farms. the— even more miles away from the wind farms. the stocks are 50% tewe— wind farms. the stocks are 50% tewe. we-we— wind farms. the stocks are 50% down. we've seen— wind farms. the stocks are 50% down. we've seen in america, you mew— down. we've seen in america, you teew .— down. we've seen in america, you teew . wtet— down. we've seen in america, you know , wind farms— down. we've seen in america, you know , wind farms that have know, wind farms that have ttttet — know, wind farms that have killed over— know, wind farms that have killed over the _ know, wind farms that have killed over the course of a wee.— killed over the course of a year, over a thousand birds of preve— year, over a thousand birds of eeew. teetettee— year, over a thousand birds of prey, including bald eagles. the fact prey, including bald eagles. the teet te— prey, including bald eagles. the teet te. tteee— prey, including bald eagles. the fact is, these things kill a teee— fact is, these things kill a huge amount— fact is, these things kill a huge amount of birds and on the eeetet— huge amount of birds and on the eeetet. tee— huge amount of birds and on the seabed, the effect— huge amount of birds and on the seabed, the effect they have on the seabed, the effect they have on tee eeetet— seabed, the effect they have on the seabed is— seabed, the effect they have on the seabed is not— seabed, the effect they have on the seabed is not positive for tee— the seabed is not positive for tee tteetee— the seabed is not positive for the marine ecosystem either. is tteee— the marine ecosystem either. is tteee eew— the marine ecosystem either. is tteee eew eeet— the marine ecosystem either. is there any real debate on these temee— there any real debate on these temee e — there any real debate on these things ? they're— there any real debate on these things ? "cat ”til i things? they're actually the latest science on the actual physical impacts on marine life and life at sea aren't settled yet. there's also a lot of

evidence that shows that a lot of marine life can build structures, these reefs and so on around the sort of physical cage casing of the wind turbine as it touches down into the sea floor. more research needs to be done to look at how the benefits that i just described would also balance with the potential impacts as well, particularly for wind turbines on the scale that they're looking to build. but you know, we got to set this against the very well known impact on marine life of massive oil spills that regularly happen . and of course, the increasingly negative impact of rising temperatures in the oceans on marine life . well, oceans on marine life. well, well, hang on. i mean,- i ittt“ t well, well, hang on. i mean, you know, if well, hang on. i mean, you know, t e— well, hang on. i mean, you know, if sea temperatures— well, hang on. i mean, you know, if sea temperatures rise, all it means is that— if sea temperatures rise, all it means is that species change teete— means is that species change ttete eeete— means is that species change their range and— means is that species change their range and there's some ewtteeee— their range and there's some ewtteeee et— their range and there's some evidence of that— their range and there's some evidence of that actually. you mew.— evidence of that actually. you know, mackerel— evidence of that actually. you know, mackerel stocks becomes teettee— know, mackerel stocks becomes teeteee eeete.— know, mackerel stocks becomes further north, etcetera. but but but further north, etcetera. but but tet teet— further north, etcetera. but but tet teet te— further north, etcetera. but but but back to the— further north, etcetera. but but but back to the birds, laurie, vou— but back to the birds, laurie, wee ttte-t— but back to the birds, laurie, you didn't answer that. you mew.— you didn't answer that. you teew. tteee— you didn't answer that. you know, these things kill birds in weet— know, these things kill birds in vast numbers— know, these things kill birds in vast numbers . _ know, these things kill birds in vast numbers . "cat know, these things kill birds in vast numbers . it; a know, these things kill birds in vast numbers . “t; it vast numbers. they will have an impact on bird life. sure an impact on bird life. sure an impact in the way that other

other ways of generating electricity have a negative impact as well. and don't forget that things like the air pollution coming from fossil fuel power plants have a hugely negative impact on wildlife. i. icannot negative impact on wildlife. i. i cannot tell you, nigel, that there is a form of electricity generation that will just, you know, multiple animal life all over the place and suddenly cure all the ills that faces us. we have to look at costs and balances. and at the end of the day, moving away from fossil fuels, which are polluting our environment, cause air pollution that pollutes our bodies, and then ultimately co2 pollution thatis then ultimately co2 pollution that is raising temperatures and on marine life is making the seas more acidic, which is having a very bad impact on marine life. it doesn't just move where their ranges are. so these things will help . we these things will help. we better tell this to the- “gt; it we better tell this to the chinese, the better tell this to the chinese, tee teettee— better tell this to the chinese, the indian, the— better tell this to the chinese, the indian, the indonesian and the indian, the indonesian and tee teetteee.— the indian, the indonesian and the indians. i— the indian, the indonesian and the indians. i think laurie , as the indians. i think laurie, as tteee— the indians. i think laurie, as ever, thank you. _ the indians. i think laurie, as ever, thank you. coming on and for ever, thank you. coming on and tee tetettee— ever, thank you. coming on and for debating this— ever, thank you. coming on and for debating this with me . and for debating this with me. and teeete— for debating this with me. and teeete te— for debating this with me. and laurie is right— for debating this with me. and laurie is right to— for debating this with me. and laurie is right to the extent ttet.— laurie is right to the extent ttet. et— laurie is right to the extent that, of course,— laurie is right to the extent that, of course, whatever you do tteee— that, of course, whatever you do tteee te— that, of course, whatever you do tteee te going— that, of course, whatever you do there is going to— that, of course, whatever you do there is going to be— that, of course, whatever you do there is going to be a cost and

tteee— there is going to be a cost and tteee te— there is going to be a cost and tteee te going— there is going to be a cost and there is going to— there is going to be a cost and there is going to be a cost and there is going to be a cost and there is going to be a potential teeettt— there is going to be a potential teeettt. t-m— there is going to be a potential benefit. i'm just— there is going to be a potential benefit. i'm just not sure tettttee— benefit. i'm just not sure building these- benefit. i'm just not sure building these vast islands in the building these vast islands in tee weett— building these vast islands in the north sea— building these vast islands in the north sea sense . now the north sea makes sense. now it's the north sea makes sense. now tte-teeete— the north sea makes sense. now it's-barrage the- it's time for barrage the teeete.— it's time for barrage the farage. will— it's time for barrage the farage. will you send in your qeeetteeee— farage. will you send in your questions? let's— farage. will you send in your questions? let's begin with aeteeew— questions? let's begin with anthony from _ questions? let's begin with anthony from shrewsbury. hi, i'm aeteeew— anthony from shrewsbury. hi, i'm aeteeew teem — anthony from shrewsbury. hi, i'm anthony from shrewsbury. hi, i'm anthony from shrewsbury. hi, i'm anthony from shrewsbury. t gt; anthony from shrewsbury. nigel eett— anthony from shrewsbury. nigel eett t— anthony from shrewsbury. nigel hall i wondered— anthony from shrewsbury. nigel hall i wondered how influential do you think tony blair would be in any future labour government and would the labour government that tried to enforce digital ids and digital currency rac by worry? anthony is not blair's tetteeeee— worry? anthony is not blair's influence over— worry? anthony is not blair's influence over the _ 7’ anthony is not blair's influence over the labour party . tte— influence over the labour party . tt-e ttete-e— influence over the labour party . it's blair's influence over tee— . it's blair's influence over the conservative - . it's blair's influence over the conservative party . it's the conservative party. it's ttete-e— the conservative party. it's blair's influence over national tetete— blair's influence over national tetete eet— blair's influence over national debate and indeed blair's tetteeeee— debate and indeed blair's influence over— debate and indeed blair's influence over global debate. i . tete— influence over global debate. i . ttte te— influence over global debate. i mean , this is the— influence over global debate. i mean , this is the guy, as you mean, this is the guy, as you say— mean, this is the guy, as you say ,_ mean, this is the guy, as you eew . tewee— mean, this is the guy, as you say , loves the— mean, this is the guy, as you say , loves the idea of cbdcs . he say, loves the idea of cbdcs. he tewee— say, loves the idea of cbdcs. he tewee tee— say, loves the idea of cbdcs. he loves the idea— say, loves the idea of cbdcs. he loves the idea of— say, loves the idea of cbdcs. he loves the idea of a— say, loves the idea of cbdcs. he loves the idea of a global teteteee— loves the idea of a global database, and— loves the idea of a global database, and i- loves the idea of a global database, and i quote for the tete— database, and i quote for the tete teet— database, and i quote for the tete ttet we— database, and i quote for the jabs that we will— database, and i quote for the jabs that we will all need. and ttete— jabs that we will all need. and ttete eee— jabs that we will all need. and blair has become,— jabs that we will all need. and blair has become, frankly, in temeeeette— blair has become, frankly, in democratic terms , this complete

democratic terms, this complete eet— democratic terms, this complete eet eteetete— democratic terms, this complete and absolute monster. so i think his and absolute monster. so i think tte tetteeeee— and absolute monster. so i think his influence is— and absolute monster. so i think his influence is way , way, way his influence is way, way, way teweet — his influence is way, way, way teweet teet— his influence is way, way, way beyond just what— his influence is way, way, way beyond just what would happen wttt— beyond just what would happen wttt tee— beyond just what would happen with the labour— beyond just what would happen with the labour party in office. tet— with the labour party in office. tet eew.— with the labour party in office. tet eew. ee— with the labour party in office. but hey, he must— with the labour party in office. but hey, he must be happy, meem-t— but hey, he must be happy, meete-t eee— but hey, he must be happy, mustn't he? he's got a high tax, mustn't he? he's got a hiin tax, big mustn't he? he's got a high tax, tte etete— mustn't he? he's got a high tax, big state conservative party who emeet— big state conservative party who emeet-eteme— big state conservative party who pinged phones yesterday . de pinged our phones yesterday. de ttetetem— pinged our phones yesterday. de ttetetem-eeeew— pinged our phones yesterday. de blairism,-sorry to— pinged our phones yesterday. de blairism, sorry to say , is blairism, i'm sorry to say, is etee— blairism, i'm sorry to say, is ettwe eet— blairism, i'm sorry to say, is alive and well— blairism, i'm sorry to say, is alive and well and with record teeete— alive and well and with record tewete et— alive and well and with record levels of net— alive and well and with record levels of net migration . let us levels of net migration. let us go levels of net migration. let us 90 te— levels of net migration. let us 90 te tweet.— levels of net migration. let us go to mark, who— levels of net migration. let us go to mark, who is in bexhill. hi, go to mark, who is in bexhill. m. tweet.— go to mark, who is in bexhill. m. teeet- tt— go to mark, who is in bexhill. hi, mark. hi nigel. stifle hi, mark. hi nigel. my name's teeet— hi, mark. hi nigel. my name's mark lane from the north estate down in bexhill, the recent site for asylum seekers. how do you feel about the use of the national emergency protocols issued the government today issued by the government today in attempt to stop the braintree council from the high court injunction? again, what's the tmetteetteee— injunction? again, what's the implications for— injunction? again, what's the implications for us- “i tit“7 again, what's the implications for us down “i ttt“7 again, what's the implications for us down here at teeettte — implications for us down here at teeettte tt— implications for us down here at bexhill? it was— implications for us down here at bexhill? . bexhill? it was bizarre that, yes, the government did use emergency powers, but not to send anyone back to france or rwanda. they used them to beat teeteteee— rwanda. they used them to beat braintree district— 7: they used them to beat braintree district council so teet— braintree district council so ttet ttew— braintree district council so that they could— braintree district council so that they could use the wethersfield - that they could use the wethersfield former military ette— wethersfield former military ette ee— wethersfield former military ette ee e— wethersfield former military site as a place— wethersfield former military site as a place to put asylum

eeeetee— site as a place to put asylum eeeetee eet— site as a place to put asylum seekers and into— site as a place to put asylum seekers and into the bargain. tettewe— seekers and into the bargain. tettewe tt— seekers and into the bargain. believe it or— seekers and into the bargain. believe it or not,— seekers and into the bargain. believe it or not, what they eeteettw— believe it or not, what they actually cited _ believe it or not, what they actually cited articles three eet— actually cited articles three eet eteet— actually cited articles three eet eteet et— actually cited articles three and eight of the echr. actually cited articles three and eight of the echr . i mean, and eight of the echr. i mean, teeettw— and eight of the echr. i mean, teeettw. wee — and eight of the echr. i mean, teeettw. wee teet— and eight of the echr. i mean, frankly, you just could not make this frankly, you just could not make ttte etett— frankly, you just could not make ttte etett ee— frankly, you just could not make this stuff up on— frankly, you just could not make this stuff up on the one hand, you— this stuff up on the one hand, wee eeet— this stuff up on the one hand, wee eeet e— this stuff up on the one hand, wee eeet e tte— this stuff up on the one hand, wee eeet e tte .— this stuff up on the one hand, you read a big , tough front page you read a big, tough front page of you read a big, tough front page et e— you read a big, tough front page et e seetew— you read a big, tough front page of a sunday telegraph. you know, it of a sunday telegraph. you know, tt tette— of a sunday telegraph. you know, tt tette wee— of a sunday telegraph. you know, it tells you suella _ of a sunday telegraph. you know, it tells you suella is prepared to it tells you suella is prepared te tetw— it tells you suella is prepared to defy everybody to get the tweete— to defy everybody to get the tweete etee — to defy everybody to get the rwanda plan off the ground . and rwanda plan off the ground. and teee— rwanda plan off the ground. and teee wee— rwanda plan off the ground. and teee wee eee— rwanda plan off the ground. and then you see their— rwanda plan off the ground. and then you see their own lawyers in then you see their own lawyers te tee — then you see their own lawyers te tee teet— then you see their own lawyers in the last week— then you see their own lawyers in the last week arguing using teett— in the last week arguing using tctt .— in the last week arguing using tctt . t— in the last week arguing using tctt . t ttet— in the last week arguing using echr. i find the— in the last week arguing using echr. i find the whole thing tetettw— echr. i find the whole thing totally extraordinary . now, totally extraordinary. now, teeet— totally extraordinary. now, teeet. eet— totally extraordinary. now, teeet. eet te— totally extraordinary. now, jacob, got to ask you , how was jacob, got to ask you, how was we— jacob, got to ask you, how was weee tetet— jacob, got to ask you, how was your saint george's day? q“ your saint george's day? oh, teeteette— your saint george's day? oh, fantastic. very— your saint george's day? oh, fantastic. very jolly- your saint george's day? oh, fantastic. very jolly saint george's day. and that's one of things we're discussing is saint george the right saint who never came to england, knew nothing about england . what about the about england. what about the great saint alphege, who was the first wouldn't pay first tax martyr, wouldn't pay extra to the danes and had extra tax to the danes and had ox bones thrown at him or thomas becket stood up for the rights of church, freedom of the of the church, freedom of the church a tyrannical church against a tyrannical state. we'll be discussing state. so we'll be discussing whether have whether we shouldn't have another, exciting saint.

another, more exciting saint. that was the catholic church. wett. — that was the catholic church. wett. et— that was the catholic church. well, of course,— that was the catholic church. well, of course, the church eeetem t— well, of course, the church sanctum. i thought he would be. it sanctum. i thought he would be. tt te— sanctum. i thought he would be. tt te tetet— sanctum. i thought he would be. it is saint george— sanctum. i thought he would be. it is saint george who is a very teteeeettee— it is saint george who is a very interesting choice— it is saint george who is a very interesting choice ,_ it is saint george who is a very interesting choice , as you know. interesting choice, as you know. aet— interesting choice, as you know. aet weeee— interesting choice, as you know. aet weeee eteet— interesting choice, as you know. aet weeee eteet .— interesting choice, as you know. and you're right. but i guess tetet— and you're right. but i guess setet teeete— and you're right. but i guess saint george was— and you're right. but i guess saint george was chosen because of saint george was chosen because et tete— saint george was chosen because et ttte tmeee— saint george was chosen because of this image of— saint george was chosen because of this image of christian meetwetem. — of this image of christian martyrdom. t/ttuttt“ of this image of christian martyrdom. t/ttuttt “ iti;.«e of this image of christian- martyrdom. yeah, absolutely. and because in the crusades they are wearing his colours and suddenly they win a great victory. and then with the founding of the order of the garter, that's really the point at which he gets consolidated as the patron saint and edward the confessor who had been very up who had been very important up until then loses out order of the garter , the king. two new the garter, the king. two new eeeetetmeete— the garter, the king. two new appointments, two— the garter, the king. two new appointments, two new- appointments, two new appointments. former eu commissioners. appointments. former eu- commissioners. what a surprise . commissioners. what a surprise. me— commissioners. what a surprise. the establishment— commissioners. what a surprise. the establishment is— commissioners. the establishment is back in eeeteet— the establishment is back in eeeteet .— the establishment is back in control , isn't— the establishment is back in control , isn't it? /tit g“ control, isn't it? you might think that i couldn't possibly comment. very good indeed. well, ttet-e— comment. very good indeed. well, ttet-e eeeeee— comment. very good indeed. well, that's enough from _ comment. very good indeed. well, that's enough from me— i very good indeed. well, that's enough from me for this eweetee. — that's enough from me for this evening- wett— that's enough from me for this evening. well, you know what? veeee— evening. well, you know what? weeee going— evening. well, you know what? weeee going te— evening. well, you know what? you're going to be— evening. well, you know what? you're going to be discussing wttt— you're going to be discussing wtte teeete— you're going to be discussing with jacob? something to look temee— with jacob? something to look temeet te— with jacob? something to look forward to now,— with jacob? something to look forward to now, april showers never, ever seem— forward to now, april showers never, ever seem to want to end. tet-e— never, ever seem to want to end. tet-e eete— never, ever seem to want to end. tet-e eewe e—

never, ever seem to want to end. let's have a look— never, ever seem to want to end. let's have a look at— never, ever seem to want to end. let's have a look at the weettee. — let's have a look at the weather. is— let's have a look at the weather. is there some good news on weather. is there some good news ee tee— weather. is there some good news ee tee way?— weather. is there some good news ee tee way? tt— weather. is there some good news on the way? hi there . e ' tzttt“ on the way? hi there. it's aidan weettee— on the way? hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. skies clearing during the next 24 hours leading to a widespread for of us widespread frost for many of us on morning . widespread frost for many of us on morning. but widespread frost for many of us on morning . but despite on tuesday morning. but despite the chilly start, actually, most places on tuesday. places will be fine on tuesday. we've low pressure moving we've got low pressure moving away as pushes into the away as that pushes into the nonh away as that pushes into the north sea. cold wind arrives from the north and having seen a weather front bring outbreaks of rain to southern england and wales during the day, well that tends clear away during the tends to clear away during the evening, leading to clear skies, light winds as well, which means all the ingredients there with arctic air in place for a chilly start to tuesday, a widespread frost , temperatures between one frost, temperatures between one i frost, temperatures between one 1 or 2 degrees either side of zero and in some sheltered parts of scotland , as low as minus six of scotland, as low as minus six degrees . 1 or of scotland, as low as minus six degrees. 1 or 2 icy patches to watch out for first thing, but they'll soon clear further wintry showers coming into the north scotland. so a mixture north of scotland. so a mixture of sleet, hail and snow showers. but accumulations really but any accumulations really restricted the hills and restricted to the hills and mountains . few showers

mountains. a few rain showers around irish coast, but around irish sea coast, but otherwise of dry and otherwise plenty of dry and bright for bright weather. sunny spells for many, even if it does cloud over a little into the afternoon and it will feel cold out there, particularly exposed it will feel cold out there, pathe ilarly exposed it will feel cold out there, pathe wind exposed it will feel cold out there, pathe wind across exposed it will feel cold out there, pathe wind across northern d it will feel cold out there, pathe wind across northern and to the wind across northern and eastern scotland well as eastern scotland as well as the eastern scotland as well as the east england. but where we've east of england. but where we've got winds elsewhere with got lighter winds elsewhere with some feeling too some sunshine not feeling too unpleasant, then clear skies once again on tuesday night will lead to a fairly widespread frost. but towards the southwest, thicker cloud and for cornwall and perhaps devon later on some outbreaks of light rain that'll keep things frost free 7 or 8 celsius towards the south—west whilst across scotland , northern and eastern scotland, northern and eastern england. again a chilly one to wake up to on wednesday morning. the wintry showers by wednesday though confined to the far northeast of scotland and further south we've got thicker cloud and some outbreaks of light pushing through light rain pushing through a dull and damp day, especially for wales and the for south wales and the southwest england . and southwest of england. and similar on thursday similar conditions on thursday with heavier moving with some heavier rain moving through thursday night across through on thursday night across southern of uk ,

southern parts of the uk, clearing the way, though, for warmer weekend .

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