child sex abuse material, the most serious of its kind. the amount online has doubled since 2020. so i'm asking you tonight, what are we going to do about it 7 what are we going to do about it ? what what are we going to do about it .7 what should the punishments be both for those creating this disgraceful material and those viewing it.7 is it simply just higherjail viewing it.7 is it simply just higher jail terms or do viewing it.7 is it simply just higherjail terms or do we need higher jail terms or do we need something more radical? and over in scotland, there's talk of income tax being increased. is

that the answer to some of the words in our country to get people to pay more tax? would you be happy to pay more? if so , how much more? and joe biden , , how much more? and joe biden, he looking very likely now to run a second term. what would that mean for us here in the uk? and the government is taking the rcn union to court for a strike this weekend , saying that this weekend, saying that actually it will be unlawful. the nurses union is saying that the government is bullying them. who's right? your thoughts on all of that. but before we get into it, let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest headlines . michelle, latest headlines. michelle, thank you. — latest headlines. michelle, thank you. good— : michelle, thank you. good evening. i'm bethany— thank you. good evening. i'm bethany asey— thank you. good evening. i'm bethany elsey with your top stories— bethany elsey with your top stories from _ bethany elsey with your top stories from the— bethany elsey with your top stories from the gb news room. n...— stories from the gb news room. the prime— stories from the gb news room. the prime minister— stories from the gb news room. the prime minister has confirmed the first— the prime minister has confirmed the first flight— the prime minister has confirmed the first flight evacuating hhthh— the first flight evacuating british nationals out of sudan has— british nationals out of sudan has tett— british nationals out of sudan has left with— british nationals out of sudan has left with many further tttghts— has left with many further flights being— has left with many further flights being planned. earlier, hhthh— flights being planned. earlier, hhthh ah— flights being planned. earlier, british air force— flights being planned. earlier, british air force personnel hearted— british air force personnel httttet t— british air force personnel boarded a plane from cyprus to sutth— boarded a plane from cyprus to sutth to— boarded a plane from cyprus to sutth to heth— boarded a plane from cyprus to sudan to help with the operation

. in sudan to help with the operation . h the— sudan to help with the operation . in the evacuations were given the— . in the evacuations were given the 90— . in the evacuations were given the go theat— . in the evacuations were given the go ahead after— . in the evacuations were given the go ahead after sudan's army and the go ahead after sudan's army the e— the go ahead after sudan's army the e that— the go ahead after sudan's army and a rival paramilitary group, whteh— and a rival paramilitary group, whteh hete— and a rival paramilitary group, which have been— and a rival paramilitary group, which have been fighting for then— which have been fighting for more than two— which have been fighting for more than two weeks, agreed to a 72 hour— more than two weeks, agreed to a 72 hour ceasefire. _ more than two weeks, agreed to a 72 hour ceasefire. but there have— 72 hour ceasefire. but there have the— 72 hour ceasefire. but there have since been— 72 hour ceasefire. but there have since been reports of gunfire— have since been reports of gunfire ent— have since been reports of gunfire and explosions in the teeth— gunfire and explosions in the capital khartoum and omdurman. the capital khartoum and omdurman. the tethe— capital khartoum and omdurman. the prime minister— capital khartoum and omdurman. the prime minister says they're tethe— the prime minister says they're tehg evehththe— the prime minister says they're doing everything they can to evacuate people _ doing everything they can to evacuate people safely . evacuate people safely. the thet— evacuate people safely. the test tttght— evacuate people safely. the first flight the _ evacuate people safely. the first flight the left took everybody that was at the airfield and eligible is on that flight. there will be more flights this evening and then many into tomorrow. we're many more into tomorrow. we're contacting both directly, contacting people both directly, but also we've issued out a general call for people if they can make their way to the airfield, they will then be processed out safely processed out and safely evacuated. same we evacuated. at the same time, we can't the long can't guarantee arnie the long term sustainable motty of the airfield that we're currently using exploring using. so we're also exploring and standing up other alternative routes for safe exit. nicola sturgeon has spoken out about— exit. nicola sturgeon has spoken out about the— exit. nicola sturgeon has spoken out about the police— out about the police investigation into snp finances, tethe— investigation into snp finances, eeyhg ehe— investigation into snp finances, saying she couldn't have theghet—

saying she couldn't have imagined the— saying she couldn't have imagined the events of the past few imagined the events of the past tew weeke— imagined the events of the past tew weete h— imagined the events of the past few weeks in her— imagined the events of the past few weeks in her worst nightmares.— few weeks in her worst nightmares. her husband peter therew— nightmares. her husband peter huttett, the— nightmares. her husband peter murrell, the party's former the— murrell, the party's former chief executive,— murrell, the party's former chief executive, was questioned by pettee — chief executive, was questioned by police earlier— chief executive, was questioned by police earlier in the month ent— by police earlier in the month the then— by police earlier in the month and then later— by police earlier in the month and then later released without charge. — and then later released without charge. teth— and then later released without charge. colin beattie, the party's— charge. colin beattie, the party's treasurer, was also theetet— party's treasurer, was also arrested last— party's treasurer, was also arrested last week and released hehthg— arrested last week and released hehthe tutthet— arrested last week and released pending further investigation . pending further investigation. hppeehhg— pending further investigation. hppeehhg et— pending further investigation. appearing at the scottish parliament _ appearing at the scottish parliament for the first time the— parliament for the first time het— parliament for the first time since her husband's arrest. ms sturgeon— since her husband's arrest. ms sturgeon eate— since her husband's arrest. ms sturgeon says the— since her husband's arrest. ms sturgeon says the party is in eate— sturgeon says the party is in eete hehte— sturgeon says the party is in safe hands . _ sturgeon says the party is in safe hands. i— sturgeon says the party is in safe hands . l. 3: sturgeon says the party is in safe hands. “3: e�*t: safe hands. i understand and the view that some people might have that i knew this was all about to unfold and that's why i walked away. nothing could be further from the truth. i could not have anticipated in my worst nightmares what would have unfolded the past weeks unfolded over the past few weeks . the snp, notwith . i believe the snp, notwith standing the real difficulties that surround the party just now, is in good shape . and i now, is in good shape. and i think humza will take it to even better things . president joe better things. president joe htteh— better things. president joe htteh hee— better things. president joe biden has officially- 93 president joe biden has officially announced he-e— biden has officially announced he-e tuhhhe— biden has officially announced he's running for— biden has officially announced he's running for a— biden has officially announced he's running for a second term in he's running for a second term th etttee— he's running for a second term th the ,— he's running for a second term in office , saying— he's running for a second term in office , saying the next

in office, saying the next eteetteh— in office, saying the next election will— in office, saying the next election will be a fight for democracy— election will be a fight for democracy and— election will be a fight for democracy and personal freedom. i democracy and personal freedom. . reh— democracy and personal freedom. . tet— democracy and personal freedom. i ran for president— democracy and personal freedom. i ran for president four years age. — i ran for president four years age. ._ i ran for president four years age. . sett— i ran for president four years ago. i said we're- i ran for president four years ago. i said we're in- i ran for president four years ago. " ago. i said we're in a battle for the soul of america and we still are . the question we're still are. the question we're facing is whether in the years ahead, we have more freedom or less freedom, more rights or fewer . i less freedom, more rights or fewer. i know less freedom, more rights or fewer . i know what less freedom, more rights or fewer. i know what i less freedom, more rights or fewer . i know what i want the fewer. i know what i want the answer to be and i think you do, too. this is not a time to be complain , isn't. too. this is not a time to be complain , isn't . that's why i'm complain, isn't. that's why i'm running for re—election . the us running for re—election. the us president also confirmed- m g ”ti: f" the us president also confirmed that he— president also confirmed that vice president— president also confirmed that vice president kamala harris wttt— vice president kamala harris wttt huh— vice president kamala harris will run again— vice president kamala harris will run again alongside him . will run again alongside him. htteety— will run again alongside him. htteety the— will run again alongside him. already the oldest president in hteteh— already the oldest president in hteteh ht— already the oldest president in hteteh tt he-e— already the oldest president in history if he's re—elected , joe history if he's re—elected, joe htteh— history if he's re—elected, joe htteh wttt— history if he's re—elected, joe biden will be— history if he's re—elected, joe biden will be 86— history if he's re—elected, joe biden will be 86 at the end of a second— biden will be 86 at the end of a second term.— biden will be 86 at the end of a second term. a— biden will be 86 at the end of a second term. a man who murdered a second term. a man who murdered ethe— second term. a man who murdered etwe teet— second term. a man who murdered etwe yeet ott— second term. a man who murdered a two year old while— second term. a man who murdered a two year old while her mother eeteeh— a two year old while her mother was asleep upstairs has been sentenced— was asleep upstairs has been sentenced to— was asleep upstairs has been sentenced to life— was asleep upstairs has been sentenced to life in prison. tite— sentenced to life in prison. tyte heveh— sentenced to life in prison. kyle bevan caused catastrophic teeth— kyle bevan caused catastrophic teeth injuries— kyle bevan caused catastrophic brain injuries on— kyle bevan caused catastrophic brain injuries on lola james in july— brain injuries on lola james in july mo.— brain injuries on lola james in july 2020. she— brain injuries on lola james in july 2020. she died in hospital

teet— july 2020. she died in hospital tout tate— july 2020. she died in hospital four days later. _ july 2020. she died in hospital four days later. the 31 year old tehtet— four days later. the 31 year old denied responsibility , claiming denied responsibility, claiming the tehtty— denied responsibility, claiming thetehtty dog— denied responsibility, claiming the family dog pushed her down the family dog pushed her down the state. — the family dog pushed her down the state. he— the family dog pushed her down the stairs. he was— the family dog pushed her down the stairs. he was convicted in april-— the stairs. he was convicted in hhht. tote-e— the stairs. he was convicted in april. lola's mother, shinade james— april. lola's mother, shinade temee hee— april. lola's mother, shinade james, has also— april. lola's mother, shinade james, has also been sentenced to ex— james, has also been sentenced to eh teete— james, has also been sentenced to eh teete h— james, has also been sentenced to six years in prison after being— to six years in prison after hehg tethe— to six years in prison after being found guilty of allowing her daughter's— being found guilty of allowing her daughter's death. the judge sett— her daughter's death. the judge eett shhete— her daughter's death. the judge said shinade prioritised her relationship— said shinade prioritised her relationship with kyle over concern for— relationship with kyle over concern for her— relationship with kyle over concern for her daughter. she got up— concern for her daughter. she got up the— concern for her daughter. she got up and th— concern for her daughter. she got up and saw kyle- concern for her daughter. she got up and saw kyle bevan holding lola by her bed . but holding lola by her bed. but when he said , i've got this, she when he said, i've got this, she just went away . she did not go just went away. she did not go into lola's bedroom or have a proper look at what had happened.she proper look at what had happened. she went back to her own bed and left. lola alone with kyle while while she slept dunng with kyle while while she slept during that night, he carried out the further attacks on lola, which killed . her lawyers for which killed. her lawyers for prince which killed. her lawyers for the hath— which killed. her lawyers for prince harry say— which killed. her lawyers for prince harry say prince-

lawyers for prince harry say prince william eetttet— prince harry say prince william eetttet e— prince harry say prince william settled a phone— prince harry say prince william settled a phone hacking claim eeehet— settled a phone hacking claim egahet rupert— settled a phone hacking claim against rupert murdoch's uk newspaper— against rupert murdoch's uk newspaper an— against rupert murdoch's uk newspaper arm in 2020. in a statement— newspaper arm in 2020. in a statement made— newspaper arm in 2020. in a statement made by the duke of she— statement made by the duke of sense ,— statement made by the duke of sense , he— statement made by the duke of sussex , he said— statement made by the duke of sussex , he said the prince of sussex, he said the prince of hates— sussex, he said the prince of watee hate— sussex, he said the prince of wales made a— sussex, he said the prince of wales made a secret deal with the tahtatt— wales made a secret deal with the tabloid group— wales made a secret deal with the tabloid group to avoid tanne— the tabloid group to avoid tattng ta— the tabloid group to avoid taking to the— the tabloid group to avoid taking to the witness box and neeannttne — taking to the witness box and recounting highly sensitive tetatte— recounting highly sensitive details. it's— recounting highly sensitive details. it's also claimed the tate— details. it's also claimed the tate queen— details. it's also claimed the late queen was— details. it's also claimed the late queen was involved in theeneetane— late queen was involved in discussions and— late queen was involved in discussions and had given prince harry— discussions and had given prince natty netnteetan— discussions and had given prince harry permission to pursue the hatt— harry permission to pursue the haet tn— harry permission to pursue the case. back in 2017, prince harry is case. back in 2017, prince harry he enha— case. back in 2017, prince harry he entne tene— case. back in 2017, prince harry is suing news group newspapers atteget— is suing news group newspapers over alleged unlawful information- over alleged unlawful information gathering. the heathe— information gathering. the heanng te— information gathering. the hearing is expected to last three— hearing is expected to last three tate— hearing is expected to last three days. fire— hearing is expected to last three days. fire and rescue sentee— three days. fire and rescue service employees will be enhteet— service employees will be enhteet ta— service employees will be subject to tougher criminal eeant— subject to tougher criminal record checks. _ subject to tougher criminal record checks. that's under new government— record checks. that's under new government plans— record checks. that's under new government plans as it's in eeaneen ta— government plans as it's in eeaneen to a— government plans as it's in response to a report earlier the— response to a report earlier the teat— response to a report earlier this year, which _ response to a report earlier this year, which found evidence of this year, which found evidence at netting,— this year, which found evidence of bullying, harassment and discrimination— of bullying, harassment and discrimination across uk eenteee— discrimination across uk services. the— discrimination across uk services. the new legislation hes— services. the new legislation means dbs background checks will shan— means dbs background checks will show spent— means dbs background checks will show spent convictions , show spent convictions, atne— show spent convictions, cautions, reprimands and final nantneg— cautions, reprimands and final warnings. police— cautions, reprimands and final warnings. police crime and fire

htnteten— warnings. police crime and fire minister chris— warnings. police crime and fire minister chris philp says it nth— minister chris philp says it nttt neth— minister chris philp says it will help protect staff and the pathe— will help protect staff and the anthe- ant— will help protect staff and the public. and the— will help protect staff and the public. and the singer songwriter— public. and the singer songwriter and actor harry hetatante— songwriter and actor harry belafonte has— songwriter and actor harry belafonte has died at the age of 96. belafonte has died at the age of he. he— belafonte has died at the age of he. he eat.— belafonte has died at the age of 96. he said. nato— belafonte has died at the age of 96. he said. nato till i come ant— 96. he said. nato till i come ant ne— 96. he said. nato till i come ant we want— 96. he said. nato till i come and we won't go— 96. he said. nato till i come and we won't go home. ti; “at: and we won't go home. he had a ethe— and we won't go home. he had a etnne at— and we won't go home. he had a string of hit songs, but was best known for day—o in 1956. later in life, he turned his hand— later in life, he turned his hand ta— later in life, he turned his hand to political activism, tetteattne— hand to political activism, dedicating his— hand to political activism, dedicating his life as a eanpatgnen— dedicating his life as a campaigner for black civil nehte— campaigner for black civil nghte tn— campaigner for black civil rights in the— campaigner for black civil rights in the united states . his rights in the united states. his agent— rights in the united states. his agent confirmed— rights in the united states. his agent confirmed he died of eangeettve— agent confirmed he died of congestive heart failure . you're congestive heart failure. you're up congestive heart failure. you're an ta— congestive heart failure. you're an to tate— congestive heart failure. you're up to tate an— congestive heart failure. you're up to date on tv— congestive heart failure. you're up to date on tv ,_ congestive heart failure. you're up to date on tv , online dab+ up to date on tv, online dab+ tatte— up to date on tv, online dab+ tatta ant— up to date on tv, online dab+ tatta ant an— up to date on tv, online dab+ radio and on tune— up to date on tv, online dab+ radio and on tune in. this is gb tene. — radio and on tune in. this is gb tene. tan— radio and on tune in. this is gb tene. tan tt-e— radio and on tune in. this is gb news. now it's back to . news. now it's back to. michelle |thante— news. now it's back to. michelle l thante tat— news. now it's back to. michelle

i thanks for that,— news. now it's back to. michelle - thanks for that, bethany- news. now it's back to. michelle - thanks for that, bethany. . news. now it's back to. michelle - thanks flsongt, bethany. . news. now it's back to. michelle - thanks flsong therehany. . news. now it's back to. michelle - thanks flsong thereharthel enjoying that song there at the end of the bulletins, albeit with sad news attached. with quite sad news attached. you know, i always feel like an old person listen to old person when i listen to older songs. i always find myself saying dirt make myself saying the dirt make music like that anymore. do they 7 music like that anymore. do they ? i'm quite a fan of roy orbison and penny arcade, and things like penny arcade, and things like penny arcade, and watch music and and when i watch music and listen music days, with listen to music these days, with all and all the all the gyrating and all the sexual stuff, i think, oof, take me back. maybe i'm born in the wrong era. don't know. anyway, wrong era. i don't know. anyway, i'm michelle dewberry. i'm keeping 7:00 keeping you company till 7:00 tonight face tonight alongside me, a new face tonight alongside me, a new face to this show. we always like those connor tomlinson, a political commentator and podcast joins us. welcome. podcast host, joins us. welcome. thank all, how well thank you. and at all, how well editor of labour uncut not a new face equally as welcome face but equally as welcome thank you. and you know the drill, you? it's not just drill, don't you? it's not just about tonight. it about us three here tonight. it is much about you at home is very much about you at home as well. what's on your mind? get touch all the usual ways. get in touch all the usual ways. gb at gbnews.uk is my gb views at gbnews.uk is my email or as per usual, you can tweet if that's thing at tweet me if that's your thing at gb or at michelle dewberry. gb news or at michelle dewberry. now top story tonight, if you ask me, i don't think there's

much important in society much more important in society than the way we keep our children safe . and lots in the children safe. and lots in the news today because it's all about the amount of child child sex abuse material that is just disgusting . it seems to be all disgusting. it seems to be all corners of the internet, but in particular category a, so the most extreme form of content has doubled since apparently 2020. and sajid javid he's spoken out , he's criticising the governments and some of the tech bosses saying that they're failing to stop this. he wants to do things like double the maximum jail sentences. you want 20 years for criminals who've live streamed this kind of abuse from abroad and he wants a legal duty on tech firms basically to try and stop this kind of grotesque content getting online in the first place. tougher age verification as well to try and protect children. i have to say, whilst i don't disagree with

some of those measures, they don't go far enough for me, quite frankly, for me personally, what i would want to see is if you are viewing and let's just be absolutely clear here, there's no such thing as child that doesn't exist. there is only child abuse. so when you watch this material be under no illusion you're looking at a crime scene. so i would absolutely support tougher penalties . absolutely support tougher penalties. but i also think if thatis penalties. but i also think if that is the kind of content that you feel yourself gravitating towards, then i think quite frankly, you should be chemically castrated. that is what i would want to see put into practise anyway. conor where do you stand on it all? oh, i absolutely agree with that. i think of the time that. i think most of the time atteneee— that. i think most of the time sex offences are _ that. i think most of the time sex offences are .off- i think most of the time sex offences are off too sex offences are let off too tenth— sex offences are let off too ttghtty tn— sex offences are let off too lightly in society . we had they lightly in society. we had they did lightly in society. we had they ttt the— lightly in society. we had they did the numbers— lightly in society. we had they did the numbers on this from december— did the numbers on this from december 20th— did the numbers on this from december 20th 20 to 2021 and of there-e— december 20th 20 to 2021 and of course there's going— december 20th 20 to 2021 and of course there's going be course there's going to be a hunt— course there's going to be a bump because— course there's going to be a bump because people let out of taettann— bump because people let out of lockdown. _ sexual. lockdown. but overall sexual ennee—t- lockdown. but overall sexual crimes—i think. lockdown. but overall sexual- crimes_| think we're crimes went up 22. i think we're tanne— crimes went up 22. i think we're tattnt tan— crimes went up 22. i think we're tattng tan tea— crimes went up 22. i think we're taking far too soft— crimes went up 22. i think we're taking far too soft an approach. i taking far too soft an approach. tthtnt— taking far too soft an approach. tthtnt the— taking far too soft an approach. i think the idea— taking far too soft an approach. i think the idea that that hatter-e— i think the idea that that labour's-out,- labour's rolling out, unfortunately, know if unfortunately, i don't know if tan-ne— unfortunately, i don't know if you're-disagree- you're going to disagree with the— you're going to disagree with thte-ttea— you're going to disagree with this,-idea that-

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about harms bill. about is the online harms bill. it tries to protect children from content such self harm from content such as self harm and it. but what and all the rest of it. but what i think what is pushing for is that some of these tech bosses would be held liable if you have these on your these kind of images on your servers actually, i do think servers and actually, i do think that be an added that that could be an added incentive for these guys because they're you they're very, very quick. if you was anything about was to post anything about a covid , you'd be off covid vaccine, you'd be off those platforms quicker than a quick thing from quick so quick thing from quick land. so they abilities check they have the abilities to check what doing and kick what people are doing and kick off they should off those people. so they should be in this be leveraging them in this direction well. what do your direction as well. what do your mates who are all no one's going to disagree with stronger penalties, you say, penalties, as you say, it's disgusting, vile. i make three natnte. — disgusting, vile. i make three points. number— disgusting, vile. i make three points. number one,- points. number one, what tattere— points. number one, what labour's proposing actually is an increase in— labour's proposing actually is an increase in the number of nethe— an increase in the number of police officers.— an increase in the number of police officers. there's a nteetnt— police officers. there's a missing element in what sajid javid— missing element in what sajid rant te— missing element in what sajid javid is talking— missing element in what sajid javid is talking about. there's a nteetnt— javid is talking about. there's a missing element in this, in the— a missing element in this, in this discussion. _ a missing element in this, in this discussion. important this discussion. it is important for deterrence— this discussion. it is important for deterrence to _ this discussion. it is important for deterrence to have tougher sentences. but— for deterrence to have tougher sentences. but unless you are sure, unless you— sentences. but unless you are sure, unless you have a neaeanahte— sure, unless you have a reasonable expectation of being taught,— reasonable expectation of being caught, tee— reasonable expectation of being caught, unless there are more

cathete— caught, unless there are more earthen taattnt— caught, unless there are more earthen taattnt .— caught, unless there are more coppers looking , being committed coppers looking, being committed to the— coppers looking, being committed to this, there's— coppers looking, being committed to this, there's going to be there-e— to this, there's going to be thene-e going— to this, there's going to be there's going to- to this, there's going to be there's going to be a problem heeanee— there's going to be a problem because actually— there's going to be a problem because actually what can of nethe— because actually what can of police officers— because actually what can of police officers labour police officers was labour aetnatty— police officers was labour actually proposing? f actually proposing? because i thought— actually proposing? because i thought they thought it was what are they called ? the pcsos? those pcso called? the pcsos? those pcso ers. they're not going to be the ones sitting detecting serious child sex abuse online. the problem at the moment, one of the chief problems at the moment we have with the police force is that police officers are that the police officers are there. the time police there. the full time police attteene— there. the full time police officers - spread - ”tsii; the full time police officers spread thinly, officers are spread so thinly, tethe— officers are spread so thinly, doing multiple— officers are spread so thinly, doing multiple different things. if doing multiple different things. tt yan— doing multiple different things. tt you an— doing multiple different things. if you can-some- doing multiple different things. if you can some specialist if you can take some specialist nntte— units, aren't they, are they? anet— units, aren't they, are they? tree-hat- units, aren't they, are they? tree-hntlranl units, aren't they, are they?i are?-but.you can are? they are. but if you can tate— are? they are. but if you can take earne— are? they are. but if you can take at— are? they are. but if you can take some of that- are? they are. but if you can take some of that work away, you tan—nattee. - take some of that work away, you tan—nattee. ant- can refocus some police. and aetnattr— can refocus some police. and aetnattr tt— can refocus some police. and actually it probably does require— actually it probably does require extension require an extension of resources that's going to point. tant— resources that's going to point. tent-yan— resources that's going to point. tent-ran have— resources that's going to point. point-you have to- resources that's going to point. point you have to have point two, you have to have heetet — point two, you have to have heetet an— point two, you have to have beefed up detection. and it's nat— beefed up detection. and it's not teet— beefed up detection. and it's not just about— beefed up detection. and it's not just about about online nenttahnt— not just about about online monitoring. it's— not just about about online monitoring. it's actual police want— monitoring. it's actual police want ant— monitoring. it's actual police work and detections required. ant— work and detections required. ant hunte— work and detections required. and number three, just on the tent— and number three, just on the patnt attent— and number three, just on the point about chemical castration , i point about chemical castration , t have— point about chemical castration , t have even— point about chemical castration , i have every sympathy with that— , i have every sympathy with that .— , i have every sympathy with that . ant— , i have every sympathy with that . ant tt— , i have every sympathy with that . and if we— , i have every sympathy with that . and if we could be 100% that. and if we could be 100% sure on every time— that. and if we could be 100% sure on every time that this is the— sure on every time that this is the perpetrator,— sure on every time that this is the perpetrator, i— sure on every time that this is the perpetrator, i would agree .

the perpetrator, i would agree. hat— the perpetrator, i would agree. hat tt-e— the perpetrator, i would agree. but it's similar— the perpetrator, i would agree. but it's similar to— the perpetrator, i would agree. but it's similar to the argument on but it's similar to the argument an eanttat— but it's similar to the argument on capital punishment, which is when— on capital punishment, which is when wet— on capital punishment, which is when you commit— on capital punishment, which is when you commit when you when you when you commit when you when we tnptenent— when you commit when you when you implement an— when you commit when you when you implement an irreversible penattw— you implement an irreversible henattw .— you implement an irreversible penalty , chemical castration is penalty, chemical castration is not irreversible _ penalty, chemical castration is not irreversible . _ penalty, chemical castration is not irreversible . ct: tii not irreversible. chemical castration, you lasts for as long as you're taking these chemicals. and then once you stop taking the chemicals, by and large , farage things return and large, farage things return back to normal . so it's not i'm back to normal. so it's not i'm not chopping your bits off, although to be fair, i probably wouldn't that, wouldn't be adverse to that, i'll honest with you anyway. i'll be honest with you anyway. so yeah, i think that it's a perfectly sensible idea . well, i perfectly sensible idea. well, i think that's one then- perfectly sensible idea. well, i think that's one then for- i : well, i think that's one then for the, for think that's one then for the, ten the— think that's one then for the, ten the the— think that's one then for the, for the mps, the— think that's one then for the, for the mps, the line i would teet— for the mps, the line i would twet traw— for the mps, the line i would twet tnaw te— for the mps, the line i would just draw is where there is a that— just draw is where there is a sense that at— just draw is where there is a sense that at any point eanethtnt— sense that at any point something is- sense that at any point something is irreversible. my teat— something is irreversible. my teat te— something is irreversible. my teat te tan— something is irreversible. my fear is for injustice because the— fear is for injustice because the tnettee— fear is for injustice because the justice system doesn't, taeen-t— the justice system doesn't, doesn't cover— the justice system doesn't, doesn't cover itself in glory tea— doesn't cover itself in glory taa atten— doesn't cover itself in glory too often. but— doesn't cover itself in glory too often. but if— doesn't cover itself in glory too often. but if you see this is too often. but if you see this he he— too often. but if you see this he at— too often. but if you see this he at the— too often. but if you see this is one of the things i kind of ant— is one of the things i kind of ant ne— is one of the things i kind of ant at— is one of the things i kind of and one of the— is one of the things i kind of and one of the other things, by the way,— and one of the other things, by the waw that— and one of the other things, by the way, that concerned me, get the— the way, that concerned me, get thte tn— the way, that concerned me, get thte tn-nenatt— the way, that concerned me, get this in-report so— the way, that concerned me, get this in report so this this in this report so this tenant— this in this report so this report basically by the report is basically by the tntennet. — report is basically by the internet. watch- report is basically by the internet. �*ft�*titetifi t: i internet. watch foundation. listen to this. saying that listen to this. it's saying that it's it took action it's called the it took action to remove more than quarter of a

million web pages last year. and i read because it really concerned me, three quarters of them contained in self generated imagery where the child is manipulated into recording their own abuse. right. i cannot get my head around parents in this country. right. that let their children go online unsupervised. icannot children go online unsupervised. i cannot comprehend send why a parent would let a child have a smartphone an unmonitored and then they'll say , oh, well, you then they'll say, oh, well, you know, i'm a bit busy with work or or, you know, i do have like a vague look. you cannot let children into the wild west of the world because it's not just your home town. it's the world without keeping them safe. and i feel like parents acas need to be doing more as well to protect their children. the unspoken antte— their children. the unspoken antte at— their children. the unspoken angle at the— their children. the unspoken angle of this as— their children. the unspoken angle of this as well- . i t: ”til" the unspoken angle of this as well is . i i ”til" the unspoken angle of this as well is the tact— angle of this as well is the taet that— angle of this as well is the fact that correct— angle of this as well is the fact that correct me if i'm ane— fact that correct me if i'm wrong, no where in the online harne— wrong, no where in the online hanne ttt— wrong, no where in the online harms bill does— wrong, no where in the online harms bill does it— wrong, no where in the online harms bill does it come down on the heat— harms bill does it come down on the legal adult— harms bill does it come down on the legal adult companies who have— the legal adult companies who have-haettne— the legal adult companies who have hosting child have been hosting child exploitation— have been hosting child exploitation material for years? for exploitation material for years? tan eaanate— exploitation material for years? tan example .— exploitation material for years? for example , when pornhub took for example, when pornhub took nttttane—

for example, when pornhub took nttttane-att— for example, when pornhub took millions-off its- millions of videos off its atattann — millions of videos off its platform because it was proven to platform because it was proven ta-antenaee— platform because it was proven to-underage rape- platform because it was proven to underage rape on its to have underage rape on its atattann— to have underage rape on its platform, likewise, only fans have— platform, likewise, only fans have hat— platform, likewise, only fans have hat ta— platform, likewise, only fans have had to admit they've had natttate— have had to admit they've had multiple underage accounts. even thaaeh— multiple underage accounts. even thaaeh-ane— multiple underage accounts. even though-are meant— multiple underage accounts. even though are meant to sign up though you are meant to sign up wtth— though you are meant to sign up wtth-eatt— though you are meant to sign up wtth-eant at— though you are meant to sign up with sort of passport and with some sort of passport and enettt— with some sort of passport and enettt eant. — with some sort of passport and credit card. they— with some sort of passport and credit card. they haven't been policing— credit card. they haven't been pattetne-thtne— credit card. they haven't been policing thing properly. policing this thing properly. ant—tatt- policing this thing properly. ant—tact at| policing this thing properly. . and _fact of the and the disturbing fact of the matter— and the disturbing fact of the hatter—tet- and the disturbing fact of the matter—tick boxi matter is that little tick box that— matter is that little tick box the—e,- matter is that little tick box tee—e, ane- matter is that little tick box that—18, are you| matter is that little tick box. that—18, are you can that says you're 18, are you can you— that says you're 18, are you can you access-site?- that says you're 18, are you can you access-site? it- that says you're 18, are you can you access site? it stops you access this site? it stops aheatatetw— you access this site? it stops absolutely no— you access this site? it stops absolutely no children. the average— absolutely no children. the average-at— absolutely no children. the average of viewing is 11 average age of viewing is 11 going— average age of viewing is 11 eatnelta— average age of viewing is 11 going to websites average age of viewing is 11- going.to-websites and going on to these websites and theee— going on to these websites and these websites— going on to these websites and these websites factor in the atttettan— these websites factor in the addiction into addiction from a young age into theta— addiction from a young age into theta-harem— addiction from a young age into their-margins. so- addiction from a young age into their margins. so if the their profit margins. so if the eawennnent— their profit margins. so if the government were really concerned ataat— government were really concerned about-exploitation - government were really concerned about-exploitation ,- about underage exploitation, hath—wetnel about underage exploitation,- tath—aetne thew both uploading and using, they want— both uploading and using, they waatt ea— both uploading and using, they would go -those- both uploading and using, they would go those companies would go after those companies in would go after those companies tn a— would go after those companies tn a ttt.— would go after those companies tn a httt. hat— would go after those companies in a bill. but they— would go after those companies in a bill. but they haven't. i thtnt— in a bill. but they haven't. i thtnt the— in a bill. but they haven't. i thtnt the tea— in a bill. but they haven't. i think the key there- in a bill. but they haven't. i think the key there is- in a bill. but they haven't. i think the key there is there is a lot that can be done around liability for tech providers and that where tech providers are effectively publishers. you effectively publishers. if you are if you're this station, if you are a newspaper, you have a there's a liability about what you what you have on your on what you're broadcasting and what you're broadcasting and what you're broadcasting and what you're publishing. and i think there is an there is an aspect there in the online

harms. i know there's a sort of fierce debate about this but where they where there should be some level liability. the some level of liability. the other that to other area that i want to explore— other area that i want to explore i'm explore on this, because i'm petty— explore on this, because i'm pretty disgusted— explore on this, because i'm pretty disgusted it actually pretty disgusted by it actually tente— pretty disgusted by it actually anntelwhat— pretty disgusted by it actually arnie-what i— pretty disgusted by it actually arnie-what i feel- pretty disgusted by it actually arnie what i feel is like the arnie is what i feel is like the sexualization_ arnie is what i feel is like the sexualization of_ arnie is what i feel is like the sexualization of children teeaaee— sexualization of children heeaaee t— sexualization of children because i feel- sexualization of children because i feel that in all in various different— because i feel that in all in various different components of eaetetw— various different components of eaatetw .— various different components of eaetetw , there— various different components of society , there is— various different components of society , there is this thing, society, there is this thing, whether— society, there is this thing, whether it's _ society, there is this thing, whether it's shops selling aattet— whether it's shops selling padded bras— whether it's shops selling padded bras for children, whether— padded bras for children, whether it's— padded bras for children, whether it's grown men dressing as whether it's grown men dressing ae eeaaatteet— whether it's grown men dressing as sexualised drag— whether it's grown men dressing as sexualised drag characters to eat— as sexualised drag characters to eat ta— as sexualised drag characters to read to children— as sexualised drag characters to read to children ,_ as sexualised drag characters to read to children , or whether read to children, or whether he— read to children, or whether he want— read to children, or whether it's your fashion— read to children, or whether it's your fashion houses like hatenetaea— it's your fashion houses like balenciaga doing fashion shoots wtth— balenciaga doing fashion shoots with children— balenciaga doing fashion shoots with children holding bondage, tettw— with children holding bondage, tettw teae— with children holding bondage, teddy bears, whilst papers henatntne— teddy bears, whilst papers pertaining information containing— pertaining information containing information about ahttt— containing information about ehttt ee— containing information about child sex abuse— containing information about child sex abuse are scattered on tapere— child sex abuse are scattered on aaaene. nann— child sex abuse are scattered on papers. harry styles for gucci aaetne— papers. harry styles for gucci paetne tn— papers. harry styles for gucci paetne tn tettw— papers. harry styles for gucci posing in teddy bear t—shirts ataneette— posing in teddy bear t—shirts alongside toddler mattresses as it alongside toddler mattresses as tt neaateee— alongside toddler mattresses as tt neaateee ne— alongside toddler mattresses as it repulses me and it makes me wann— it repulses me and it makes me wanw at— it repulses me and it makes me wanw at att— it repulses me and it makes me worry at all whether or not tene— worry at all whether or not we're tiptoe. well, we're not in ttptaetne — we're tiptoe. well, we're not in ttptaetne wehe— we're tiptoe. well, we're not in tiptoeing. we're not it's not even subtle.— tiptoeing. we're not it's not even subtle. we're going heattane— even subtle. we're going headlong into- even subtle. we're going headlong into sexualising ehtttnen— headlong into sexualising ahtttnen .— headlong into sexualising children , i— headlong into sexualising children , i think. e

children, i think. i think it is a concern. one thing about how things are different to the past, i just caution that in the past, i just caution that in the past there was a lot of this as well. i mean, there used to be mainstream shows where toddlers would dress up or very young children, children of 5 or 6 would be dressed up like pop stars sing. yeah, this used stars and sing. yeah, this used to prime time on itv. to be on prime time on itv. i remember it i was a kid and remember it when i was a kid and it was it was weird then and it's even weirder in retrospect that that sort of behaviour, that that sort of behaviour, that i agree. the that sort of i agree. the sexualization a sexualization of children is a major issue and it's compounded by what happens online and the absence of kind of safeguards or safeguards there. i don't think anyone's going to anyone would disagree with that. but what is going on society, because to me it seems be mainstream . like it seems to be mainstream. like i've given examples, it seems to be mainstream. like i've .given examples, then . i've just given examples, then big i've just given examples, then hte-haaeee— i've just given examples, then- big-houses-bondage big fashion houses using bondage tetttee— big fashion houses using bondage tetttee wtth— big fashion houses using bondage teddies with children, you know , wan-we— teddies with children, you know . wan-we eat— teddies with children, you know . y eat a— teddies with children, you know , you've got a show on channel 4 that-e— , you've got a show on channel 4 that-e eetttne— , you've got a show on channel 4 that's getting criticised at the nnannent — that's getting criticised at the moment. grown— that's getting criticised at the moment. grown adults stripping natet— moment. grown adults stripping natet tn— moment. grown adults stripping naked in front— moment. grown adults stripping naked in front of_ moment. grown adults stripping naked in front of children aaaanenttw— naked in front of children apparenttw ta— naked in front of children apparently to educate them about real apparently to educate them about neat hattee—

apparently to educate them about neat hattee .— apparently to educate them about real bodies . and— apparently to educate them about real bodies . and i— apparently to educate them about real bodies . and i think it's real bodies. and i think it's wett— real bodies. and i think it's wetnt ant— real bodies. and i think it's wetnt ant t— real bodies. and i think it's weird and i don't understand why hearte— weird and i don't understand why heaate ae— weird and i don't understand why more people are not saying enaaeh— more people are not saying enaaeh. haw— more people are not saying enough. now pack it in. children are enough. now pack it in. children ahtttnen— enough. now pack it in. children are children and— enough. now pack it in. children are children and adults are atatte— are children and adults are atatte. eet— are children and adults are adults. get a— are children and adults are adults. get a grip, create some eeaanattan— adults. get a grip, create some separation and— adults. get a grip, create some separation and protect these the— separation and protect these ttte . — separation and protect these ttte . t— separation and protect these kids. i don't— separation and protect these kids . i don't know- separation and protect these kids. i don't know if you're aware of the danish version as well, because it's not just the uk channel 4 that's doing this. there's one in denmark and there's the netherlands, there's one in the netherlands, and been outcry and there's been a huge outcry about that one as well. yeah, because one-episodes,| about that one as well. yeah, i because one-episodes, the because one of the episodes, the enter— because one of the episodes, the gender ttentttw— because one of the episodes, the gender identity episode, didn't do gender identity episode, didn't ta a— gender identity episode, didn't do a background— gender identity episode, didn't do a background check and a eanwtetet— do a background check and a convicted took— do a background check and a convicted took and he's had convicted took part and he's had to convicted took part and he's had taltaet— convicted took part and he's had talhaat ta— convicted took part and he's had to.back to prison— convicted took part and he's had to back to prison because to go back to prison because he-e— he's obviously violated his hanate. — he's obviously violated his- hanate. —hete te parole. what's happened here is under the guise of inclusivity, people are being blinded to obvious scenarios children obvious scenarios where children have been put in vulnerable positions that positions around adults that would harm them. and would like to harm them. and i hesitate to say that there has been a pincer movement for the normalisation paedophilia. normalisation of paedophilia. there has been a ted talk from a german academic who has said that they are just persecuted individuals. there's the acronym minor persons try minor attracted persons to try and destigmatize it and also, as you referred a drag queen you referred to, a drag queen story original thing story hour, the original thing of drag queen story hour. one of

the vanguard members , little the vanguard members, little miss mess, who now a miss hot mess, who is now a bestselling author the hips bestselling author of the hips on drag queen. go swish, on the drag queen. go swish, swish, which on the swish, swish, which is on the new school board curriculum new york school board curriculum for and they wrote for three and up. they wrote a paper called drag pedagogy . and paper called drag pedagogy. and in it they say that drag queen story hour is to disrupt the reproductive futurity of the nuclear introduce nuclear family, introduce children to adoptive drag families . and the final line is families. and the final line is we going to leave a trail of we are going to leave a trail of glitter that will never come out of the carpet. that seems to me like explicit, explicit like an explicit, explicit threat sexualised children. threat to sexualised children. it's . two points it's disturbing. two points here. it's disturbing. two points here—ta- it's disturbing. two points here—ta eawl it's disturbing. two points. here._to say that here. one, again, to say that thtnee— here. one, again, to say that thtnee aent— here. one, again, to say that things aren't you— here. one, again, to say that things aren't you know, this ten-t— things aren't you know, this isn't entirely— things aren't you know, this isn't entirely new. back in the eanw— isn't entirely new. back in the eanw eae— isn't entirely new. back in the early 80s, when— isn't entirely new. back in the early 80s, when there was when gay early 80s, when there was when eaw nehte— early 80s, when there was when eaw nehte ant— early 80s, when there was when gay rights and lgbt rights and tent— gay rights and lgbt rights and tent nehte— gay rights and lgbt rights and lgbt rights were— gay rights and lgbt rights and lgbt rights were were in a eanatetetw— lgbt rights were were in a completely different place, there— completely different place, there — completely different place, there were there was lots there were movements— there were there was lots there were movements struggling for thaee— were movements struggling for thaee nehte. — were movements struggling for those rights. but— were movements struggling for those rights. but then also in that— those rights. but then also in that wtthtn— those rights. but then also in that within that— those rights. but then also in that within that mix up, unfortunately people like the information— unfortunately people like the information exchange got inform ation exchange got tnaattan— information exchange got traction and— information exchange got traction and they were pushed ant.— traction and they were pushed ant. ant— traction and they were pushed out. and that's— traction and they were pushed out. and that's really what neete— out. and that's really what neete ta— out. and that's really what needs to happen. again my point

here— needs to happen. again my point here te— needs to happen. again my point here te that— needs to happen. again my point here is that it's— needs to happen. again my point here is that it's not— needs to happen. again my point here is that it's not new. this hae— here is that it's not new. this hae atwawe— here is that it's not new. this has always been— here is that it's not new. this has always been there. it was naehet— has always been there. it was aaehet ant— has always been there. it was pushed out once— has always been there. it was pushed out once .— has always been there. it was pushed out once . it needs to be pushed out once. it needs to be haehet— pushed out once. it needs to be aaehet ant— pushed out once. it needs to be pushed out again.— pushed out once. it needs to be pushed out again. and just one aatnt— pushed out again. and just one aatnt an— pushed out again. and just one aatnt an dragbi— pushed out again. and just one point on draghi queen story hour , a wee— point on draghi queen story hour . a were very— point on draghi queen story hour , a very, very sympathetic here to , a very, very sympathetic here ta the— , a very, very sympathetic here ta the ta— , a very, very sympathetic here to the to avoid— , a very, very sympathetic here to the to avoid made the you thaw— to the to avoid made the you tnaw tht— to the to avoid made the you know kind of_ to the to avoid made the you know kind of putting young ehtttnen— know kind of putting young children in— know kind of putting young children in sexual in in a eeat— children in sexual in in a sexual context- children in sexual in in a sexual context there's nothing wnane — sexual context there's nothing wnane ta — sexual context there's nothing wrong ta my— sexual context there's nothing wrong to my mind if someone wante— wrong to my mind if someone wante ta— wrong to my mind if someone wante ta theee— wrong to my mind if someone wants to dress up— wrong to my mind if someone wants to dress up just and read a etaw— wants to dress up just and read a etaw ta— wants to dress up just and read a etaw ta a— wants to dress up just and read a story to a child— wants to dress up just and read a story to a child just not not anawaeattwetw— a story to a child just not not provocatively and _ a story to a child just not not provocatively and sexually. no. ant— provocatively and sexually. no. ant t— provocatively and sexually. no. ant t aw— provocatively and sexually. no. and i saw that— provocatively and sexually. no. and i saw that that— provocatively and sexually. no. and i saw that that viral- provocatively and sexually. no. and i saw that that viral video, i think we discussed it on air, actually, where people were taking their babies to this performance rave. that's yeah, yeah. where grown men in in g—strings or whatever it was a sexually gyrating in front of a child. i think that's. are you upstairs? i think if you take your child if that's what you think to yourself or you know what, that's an ideal. saturday afternoon and the kid. afternoon for me and the kid. i'll take him to go watch this grown man gyrating sexually in a thong. i do. think

thong. i honestly, i do. i think there's quite there's something not quite right upstairs. there right with you upstairs. there is called stop it now is a charity called stop it now . and it's a helpline, basically, which helps people that looking at these kind that are looking at these kind of, know, like the child of, you know, like the child sexual images had in sexual images it's had in cheshire. it received 6600 odd calls , nearly 3000 calls in calls, nearly 3000 calls in merseyside alone. this is in 2021 asking for help and support. apparently, according to the national crime agency as well, there are about between half 1,000,003 kwasi of a million people who who pose a sexual risk to children in this country. it is disgraceful. so i'll leave you to ponder your thoughts on it. what do we do about it all? gb views at gbnews.uk acas how you reach me next i want to talk tax. do you think high income tax or high income tax is the answer to some of the problems that we face overin of the problems that we face over in scotland? they're considering creating a new band 44. would you be happy paying that? do you think it's high

enough? should it be more your thoughts? see you

this is gb news radio. hi this is gb news radio . hi there, this is gb news radio. hi there, i'm this is gb news radio. hi there, tn tttahette— this is gb news radio. hi there, i'm michelle dewberry- i [15 a 356 hi there, i'm michelle dewberry and i [15 a 3136 hi there, i'm michelle dewberry and i'm teeatne— i'm michelle dewberry and i'm teeatne wan— i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company right thnaaeh— keeping you company right through till— keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight. ataneette— through till 7:00 tonight. alongside me,— through till 7:00 tonight. - alongside me,-tomlinson , alongside me, connor tomlinson, a commentator and a political commentator and podcast and hatwell is the podcast host and hatwell is the editor of labour uncut . stephen, editor of labour uncut. stephen, my viewer says bring back capital punishment for child abusers and killers . um, i've abusers and killers. um, i've got to say, i mean, sharpening . got to say, i mean, sharpening. take a breath from you. there if your worry is about innocent people getting wrongly killed , people getting wrongly killed, if there was an absolute cast iron like that fella that killed lee rigby in the street, i know it's not a child abuser, so a little bit of a digression, but that those people that butchered lee rigby in the street, you know, would you be know, it was them, would you be in of things death in favour of things like death penalty when you categorically. no, one could no, it's them if one could categorically , no. it was the categorically no, no. it was the case. categorically no, no. it was the |tan-t. — categorically no, no. it was the case.idon't. yeah— categorically no, no. it was the case.idon't. yeah i— categorically no, no. it was the case.idon't. yeah i don't- case. i don't. yeah i don't thtnt— case. i don't. yeah i don't thtntlhawe— case. i don't. yeah i don't think have objection think i'd have an objection aetaattw— think i'd have an objection aetaattw. my— think i'd have an objection actually. my point here isn't ataat— actually. my point here isn't

about-killers— actually. my point here isn't about killers and the about the killers and the ahee— about the killers and the abusers is— about the killers and the abusers is it's- about the killers and the abusers is it's about the hnent— abusers is it's about the innocent. and- abusers is it's about the innocent. and i'll worry about the— innocent. and i'll worry about the taettae— innocent. and i'll worry about the justice system's capacity to be the justice system's capacity to he-the — the justice system's capacity to he-the the.- the justice system's capacity to be the time. michael be right all the time. michael eawe— be right all the time. michael eawe van— be right all the time. michael says, you know,— be right all the time. michael says, you know, when that chap, he ae— says, you know, when that chap, he teet— says, you know, when that chap, he taet tn— says, you know, when that chap, he was just in the— says, you know, when that chap, he was just in the headlines eee,— he was just in the headlines eee, tata— he was just in the headlines there, lola james's i don't even want— there, lola james's i don't even want ta— there, lola james's i don't even want ta eaw— there, lola james's i don't even want to say stepdad. ti; want to say stepdad. he's not his stepdad. you know, they've just tortured that two year old michael saying, you know, he only got 28 years for such an evil car. the mum, by the way , evil car. the mum, by the way, only got six years, and i quote a direct quote for allowing the death of her daughter minimum term, three years. i think it's absolutely appalling. and she by the way, have you asked me i think she should be sterilised if you can, quote, allow the death of your child, you should never be able to produce a child ever , ever no ifs, buts ever, ever again. no ifs, buts or maybes . pat says, how do you or maybes. pat says, how do you stop vile trade? what kind stop this vile trade? what kind of people we now have our of people do we now have in our society ? both my sons protect society? both my sons protect their children from online abuse and images . as says peter, they and images. as says peter, they have a server in their home. they monitor everything that they do and they won't let them

have mobile phones, etcetera till older . have mobile phones, etcetera till older. good. i till they're older. good. i think sons sound like very think your sons sound like very decent parents. wish more decent parents. i wish more people would would do more to protect their children. yes it takes time and yes, it's easier just to turn a blind eye and get a bit of peace and quiet while they're on the phones. but it is they're on the phones. but it is the wild west out there. you need kids. need to protect your kids. anyway, let's tax, shall anyway, let's talk tax, shall we? high earners in scotland apparently they could face a projected tax rate of 68. this is basically going to be calculated. this is a new first minister there. he wants to create this new tax threshold, basically, which would be a 45, 44% bracket. and then when you start calculating, when you lose your your personal allowance and stuff like that , it gives you stuff like that, it gives you that effective rate. that's what it's talking about. let's talk higher taxes. would you be in favour of these at all? lower taxes is a sign of a- . all7 lower taxes is a sign of a failing eanaw— taxes is a sign of a failing y . tn— taxes is a sign of a failing economy. i'm a- taxes is a sign of a failing economy. i'm a labour person. no tn— economy. i'm a labour person. no tn theta— economy. i'm a labour person. no one in their right— economy. i'm a labour person. no one in their right mind wants to pay one in their right mind wants to pay ae—

one in their right mind wants to pay tax— one in their right mind wants to pay more tax than— one in their right mind wants to pay more tax than they need to. eat— pay more tax than they need to. hat etwen— pay more tax than they need to. hat etwen the— pay more tax than they need to. but given the position we're in, when— but given the position we're in, when te— but given the position we're in, when te ea— but given the position we're in, which is zero, almost zero enawth— which is zero, almost zero growth probably in recession, the atten— growth probably in recession, the after effects— growth probably in recession, the after effects of decades of aaetentw— the after effects of decades of austerity where _ the after effects of decades of austerity where our public eewteee— austerity where our public services aren't— austerity where our public services aren't working and anhatanae— services aren't working and ambulance doesn't come if you're neat,— ambulance doesn't come if you're eat, when— ambulance doesn't come if you're eat, when wan— ambulance doesn't come if you're real, when you get— ambulance doesn't come if you're real, when you get to the haenttat— real, when you get to the hospital, you're stuck in a aeet— hospital, you're stuck in a aeet the— hospital, you're stuck in a caused the need for austerity . caused the need for austerity. what— caused the need for austerity. wthat ceaaet— caused the need for austerity. what caused the— caused the need for austerity. what caused the need- caused the need for austerity. i i i 7 well, the what caused the need? well, the answer there is— what caused the need? well, the answer there is that— what caused the need? well, the answer there is that we- i i i7 well, the answer there is that we didn't aataattw— answer there is that we didn't aetaattw neet— answer there is that we didn't actually need austerity on that eaet — actually need austerity on that eaet tre— actually need austerity on that scale. we didn't— actually need austerity on that scale. we didn't need to cut tene— scale. we didn't need to cut tene at— scale. we didn't need to cut tens of thousands of doctors, nurses , police— tens of thousands of doctors, nurses , police officers, which nurses, police officers, which have— nurses, police officers, which have tett— nurses, police officers, which have left us— nurses, police officers, which have left us stripped to the bane,— have left us stripped to the hane, whteh— have left us stripped to the bone, which means our public eewteee— bone, which means our public services-working.- bone, which means our public services working. the services aren't working. the aatnt— services aren't working. the pant-.— services aren't working. the aatnt-. the- services aren't working. the point . the reason services aren't working. the point-. the reason is point on tax. the reason tax is hteh— point on tax. the reason tax is hteh nent— point on tax. the reason tax is hteh neht haw— point on tax. the reason tax is high right now is— point on tax. the reason tax is high right now is that we've had no high right now is that we've had na enawth— high right now is that we've had na enawth ant— high right now is that we've had no growth and because everything was no growth and because everything etnaaet— no growth and because everything was stripped-bone- no growth and because everything was stripped bone in in was stripped to the bone in in aaet— was stripped to the bone in in past-t_ was stripped to the bone in in past-t een— was stripped to the bone in in past-t ta- was stripped to the bone in in past , even to keep the past years, even to keep the taetee— past years, even to keep the basics running,— past years, even to keep the basics running, tax is rising. now:— basics running, tax is rising. haw tt— basics running, tax is rising. haw t we— basics running, tax is rising. haw t we ae— basics running, tax is rising. now, if we are going to have if as now, if we are going to have if ae a taunte— now, if we are going to have if ae a country we— now, if we are going to have if as a country, we choose to try to as a country, we choose to try ta have— as a country, we choose to try ta have a— as a country, we choose to try to have a health— as a country, we choose to try to have a health service, the wattanat— to have a health service, the national health— to have a health service, the national health service based on where— national health service based on where an— national health service based on where an ambulance does pick you up, where an ambulance does pick you we whene— where an ambulance does pick you he where when— where an ambulance does pick you up, where when you— where an ambulance does pick you up, where when you call the pathe— up, where when you call the police, someone— up, where when you call the police, someone does come and the anne— police, someone does come and the te— police, someone does come and the crime is solved,— police, someone does come and the crime is solved, that costs nanew— the crime is solved, that costs nanew ant— the crime is solved, that costs money and someone's to pay. money and someone's got to pay. ant—tt-e— money and someone's got to pay. and—it's better-

money and someone's got to pay. and—it's better wei and ultimately we it's better we tht— and ultimately we it's better we ttnt at— and ultimately we it's better we kind of windfall— and ultimately we it's better we kind of windfall tax on utilities,— kind of windfall tax on utilities, fine- kind of windfall tax on utilities, fine other areas for tanne— utilities, fine other areas for taatne hat— utilities, fine other areas for taatne hat tt— utilities, fine other areas for taxing. but if it— utilities, fine other areas for taxing. but if it comes in the end:— taxing. but if it comes in the ent, tt-e— taxing. but if it comes in the ent. tt-e aeaate— taxing. but if it comes in the end, it's people that pay tax. ant— end, it's people that pay tax. ant tt— end, it's people that pay tax. ant t the— end, it's people that pay tax. and if the choice— end, it's people that pay tax. and if the choice is low income, ntttte— and if the choice is low income, middle income— and if the choice is low income, middle income or— and if the choice is low income, middle income or high income, if, middle income or high income, th th— middle income or high income, h h t— middle income or high income, h h t tt— middle income or high income, if, if, if it needs— middle income or high income, if, if, if it needs to— middle income or high income, if, if, if it needs to be more tax— if, if, if it needs to be more tax tn— if, if, if it needs to be more tax tn the— if, if, if it needs to be more tax in the short— if, if, if it needs to be more tax in the short term from one group,— tax in the short term from one enaae tetten— tax in the short term from one group, better high income than low group, better high income than taw heane— group, better high income than low income. so. _ group, better high income than low income. so. tiit low income. so. so do you think it's fair? so the group that you're saying so the higher incomes just referenced incomes and you just referenced the health service, these people are likely, let's face are more than likely, let's face it, to have private health it, going to have private health care. so they're not really going be using the health going to be using the health service you mentioned, service that you mentioned, except, emergency except, of course, in emergency scenarios . so do you think it's scenarios. so do you think it's fair they are the ones that fair that they are the ones that have to pay more for a service that they will use far less? yeah, i think it's fair because as yeah, i think it's fair because ae-ttwe,— yeah, i think it's fair because as-live, basically- yeah, i think it's fair because as live, basically we all as they live, basically we all the— as they live, basically we all the th— as they live, basically we all the tn the— as they live, basically we all live in this country, we pay tax. — live in this country, we pay tax. tt-e— live in this country, we pay tax. tt-e nat— live in this country, we pay tax. it's not we— live in this country, we pay tax. it's not we don't our tax ten-t— tax. it's not we don't our tax ten-t ean— tax. it's not we don't our tax ten-t eat at— tax. it's not we don't our tax isn't sort of narrowly hypothecated and we're paying for hypothecated and we're paying tan-ant— hypothecated and we're paying tan-ant why— hypothecated and we're paying for-and why for- hypothecated and we're paying for and why for it's for this. and why for this? it's nat— for this. and why for this? it's hat-tt-e— for this. and why for this? it's hat-tt-e nat— for this. and why for this? it's not-it's not the- for this. and why for this? it's not it's not the same as not quite it's not the same as tawtne— not quite it's not the same as tawtne-ta— not quite it's not the same as tawtne-taltnta- not quite it's not the same as buying-to.into a- not quite it's not the same as buying to into a shop. buying going to go into a shop. wett— buying going to go into a shop. wett-taa— buying going to go into a shop. wett-taalaaw- buying going to go into a shop. well, top pay 30% of all well, the top 1% pay 30% of all tax— well, the top 1% pay 30% of all income tax revenue is apparently and income tax revenue is apparently ant aaaanenttw— income tax revenue is apparently

ant aaaanenttw-a- income tax revenue is apparently and apparently a higher and apparently that is a higher ehane— and apparently that is a higher ehane-ttne— and apparently that is a higher share-time in- and apparently that is a higher share time in about, i share than any time in about, i tan-t— share than any time in about, i tan-t-an— share than any time in about, i tan-t-an ea- share than any time in about, i don't-or so years- don't know, 20 or so years anewtaaetw— don't know, 20 or so years anewtaaetw .— don't know, 20 or so years previously . but- don't know, 20 or so years previously . but that's that's previously. but that's that's part— previously. but that's that's nan—ane- previously. but that's that's nan—ate thei part of these these are the theee— part of these these are the theee-the — part of these these are the these-the costs- part of these these are the these the costs of failure. these are the costs of failure. the— these are the costs of failure. thte te— these are the costs of failure. thte te tt— these are the costs of failure. thte te t we— these are the costs of failure. this is if we don't— these are the costs of failure. this is if we don't have an eanaw— this is if we don't have an economy that's— this is if we don't have an economy that's growing, this is what—tt- economy that's growing, this is what—h wetei economy that's growing, this is. what—if we're going what happens. and if we're going to what happens. and if we're going ta-ewen— what happens. and if we're going ta-ewen tn— what happens. and if we're going ta-ewen tn the— what happens. and if we're going to-even in the short- what happens. and if we're going to even in the short term to have even in the short term to have even in the short term ta eet— to have even in the short term ta eet thnaaeh— to have even in the short term to get through this, if someone's- to get through this, if someone's going to have to pay hetten— someone's going to have to pay hetten tt— someone's going to have to pay hetten tt he— someone's going to have to pay better, it be the— someone's going to have to pay better, it be the people at the top,— better, it be the people at the tae heeaaee— better, it be the people at the top, because the— better, it be the people at the top, because the people because when— top, because the people becausei whene—e when you get to middle incomes, when— when you get to middle incomes, when-eet— when you get to middle incomes, when-eetltaw— when you get to middle incomes,| when-getllow-the when you get to low incomes, the nanetnat— when you get to low incomes, the nanetnat natee— when you get to low incomes, the marginal rates-tax.— when you get to low incomes, the marginal rates tax. so marginal rates of tax. so someone having marginal rates of tax. so- someone-having benefits someone who's having benefits wtthtnawn— someone who's having benefits withdrawn -for- someone who's having benefitsi withdrawn -for-on withdrawn or even for people on ntttte—waa-wel middle incomes, where you've thew-we — middle incomes, where you've thew-we eat— middle incomes, where you've they've got student going they've got student loans going outt— they've got student loans going ant—att— they've got student loans going ant—at eatte- they've got student loans going out,_all sorts of- out, you've got all sorts of tnttattan— out, you've got all sorts of inflation going— out, you've got all sorts of inflation going through the naat. — inflation going through the naat. -na— inflation going through the roof. no disposable inflation going through the roof. there.to disposable inflation going through the roof. there. thisiposable inflation going through the roof. there. thisiposaiyou income there. this this, you thaw— income there. this this, youi know—squeezed income there. this this, you- know_squeezed some know, we're being squeezed some to know, we're being squeezed some ta the— know, we're being squeezed some ta the ataetaeat— know, we're being squeezed some to the pipsqueak conor , what do to the pipsqueak conor, what do you to the pipsqueak conor, what do wan hate— to the pipsqueak conor, what do wan hate wan— to the pipsqueak conor, what do you make you are— to the pipsqueak conor, what do you make you are going to make me you make you are going to make he ate— you make you are going to make me bite through— you make you are going to make me bite through my tongue watttne— me bite through my tongue watttne tan— me bite through my tongue waiting for that— me bite through my tongue waiting for that to finish. i tave— waiting for that to finish. i tawe haw— waiting for that to finish. i love how austerity- waiting for that to finish. i love how austerity is- waiting for that to finish. i love how austerity is always trotted out. by the way, not big fan of the austerity policies that were done the that were done cutting the police officers. said police officers. as we said earlier, was a disastrous idea. but to, there but as you alluded to, there were before the were some fact hours before the cameron government came in, which the economy be which caused the economy to be in complete and what in a complete downturn. and what we've at moment a

we've got at the moment is a money system problem. now we've we've got at the moment is a monmassiven problem. now we've we've got at the moment is a mon massive quantitativeiow we've we've got at the moment is a monmassive quantitative easing, ve had massive quantitative easing, which printing which means money printing for people, first during people, not first during the pandemic furlough pandemic to subsidise furlough and this was done by the current prime minister, who was then the chancellor and supported the chancellor and supported by the current chancellor, who was not in cabinet but wanted lockdown current chancellor, who was not in be)inet but wanted lockdown current chancellor, who was not in be longerit wanted lockdown current chancellor, who was not in be longer andinted lockdown current chancellor, who was not in be longer and more lockdown current chancellor, who was not in be longer and more supportn current chancellor, who was not in be longer and more support. to be longer and more support. and the problem we have and the also the problem we have is obviously brown is obviously gordon brown decided the rest of the decided to ditch the rest of the gold don't anything gold so we don't have anything backing so the money backing our money. so the money just gets majorly inflated. and so issue we have is major so the issue we have is major inflation is down to policy . inflation is down to uk policy. are you saying are the inflation rate— are you saying are the inflation rate tn— are you saying are the inflation rate tn the— are you saying are the inflation rate in this country is exclusively- rate in this country is exclusively down to uk exclusive? _ exclusively down to uk exclusive? i- exclusively down to uk exclusive? i i i l exclusive? i didn't say exclusively, but quantitative easing is a huge contributing factor inflation, it ? factor to inflation, isn't it? we've had quantitative. we have we've - quantitative - we've had quantitative easing haeteattw— we've had quantitative easing basically consistently since zoos.— basically consistently since 2008. inflation— basically consistently since 2008. inflation are inflation, thaaeh— 2008. inflation are inflation, thaaeh te— 2008. inflation are inflation, though, is driven by the covid supply— though, is driven by the covid eaaatw ehaet— though, is driven by the covid eaaatw ehaet tn— though, is driven by the covid supply shock in this country, aantattw— supply shock in this country, partially supply_ supply shock in this country, partially supply shocks related ta. — partially supply shocks related ta. tn— partially supply shocks related ta. tn sorry— partially supply shocks related to. i'm sorry, are— partially supply shocks related to. i'm sorry, are you- partially supply shocks related to. i'm sorry, are you really going to say that? so the us federal reserve did this as well. the about 60% of all the

dollars in existence were printed during the pandemic period. and you're saying that's not have a problem not going to have a problem as it's through money it's flowing through the money system, is system, the supply shocks is what's driving inflation in this country. wages country. it's not wages necessarily. _ country. it's not wages necessarily. it's- ti.titl. it's not wages necessarily. it's not. it's the he— necessarily. it's not. it's the he the— necessarily. it's not. it's the it's the basically— necessarily. it's not. it's the it's the basically we are httttne— it's the basically we are bidding more- it's the basically we are bidding more for things that exeeeetwetw— bidding more for things that excessively printing money they have— excessively printing money they have-that— excessively printing money they have-that tt— excessively printing money they have-that it is— excessively printing money they have-that it is the- excessively printing money they have that it is the absence have done that it is the absence of have done that it is the absence at-at— have done that it is the absence at-at eaate— have done that it is the absence of-of goods that- have done that it is the absence of-of goods that is- of supply of goods that is tnwtne— of supply of goods that is driving inflation. that's why natetne— driving inflation. that's why raising interest— driving inflation. that's why raising interest rates is that's exataetwe — raising interest rates is that's exclusive. .you- raising interest rates is that's exclusive. �*2 raising interest rates is that's exclusive. g exclusive. are you saying it's exclusively and by the way, principally principally because we quantitative easing since we had quantitative easing since 2008 to. but you as a fan, 2008 up to. but you as a fan, waet— 2008 up to. but you as a fan, waet you?— 2008 up to. but you as a fan, waet you? — 2008 up to. but you as a fan, waet you? tt— 2008 up to. but you as a fan, wasn't you? if i— $7008 l. but you as a fan, wasn't you? �*" iti’i�*tii�* 2008 up to. but you as a fan, wasn't you? if i remember our conversation previously correctly, a fan correctly, you were also a fan of prolonged lockdowns. you supported that policy supported that as a policy completely. but then this is what you get when you lock down country's economy for sustained penod country's economy for sustained period of time. this is then what you get. this is one of the side effects of it, whether it's printing money to help people sit at home and hide away from things. this is the outcome. and lot basically one has a ehatee— and lot basically one has a ehatee at— and lot basically one has a choice of two— and lot basically one has a choice of two evils. hundreds of

thaaeante— choice of two evils. hundreds of thaaeante at— choice of two evils. hundreds of thousands of people dying, which we thaw— thousands of people dying, which we tnaw te— thousands of people dying, which we tnaw te eatne— thousands of people dying, which we know is going to happen. wett— we know is going to happen. wett t— we know is going to happen. well, i think— we know is going to happen. well, i think i— we know is going to happen. well, i think i think it's taetaattw— well, i think i think it's factually untrue. well, you may say factually untrue. well, you may eaw tt-e— factually untrue. well, you may say it's factually— factually untrue. well, you may say it's factually untrue. i wattt— say it's factually untrue. i would choose _ say it's factually untrue. i would choose to believe the ante— would choose to believe the chief medical— would choose to believe the chief medical officer and hantnete— chief medical officer and hundreds models were hundreds of models were consistently— hundreds of models were consistently wrong. "tig llti;ti consistently wrong. they omitted factors from it. if you look at countries that didn't lock down in states respect with in american states respect with respect, neither us in american states respect with resjmedical neither us in american states respect with resjmedical professionals. but are medical professionals. but i. but i. but i will go. i can eat. t— i. but i. but i will go. i can eat. t wttt— i. but i. but i will go. i can read. i will go— i. but i. but i will go. i can read. i will go with- i. but i. but i will go. tia i i will go with the read. i will go with the tateenent— read. i will go with the judgement of- i i will go with the judgement of the overwhelming majority— judgement of the overwhelming nae-ante atta— judgement of the overwhelming majority, 95% plus you happen to thaw— majority, 95% plus you happen to tnaw what— majority, 95% plus you happen to tnaw what at— majority, 95% plus you happen to know what of the— majority, 95% plus you happen to know what of the of the leaders of know what of the of the leaders at aw— know what of the of the leaders at at— know what of the of the leaders at at aw— know what of the of the leaders of our of our of_ know what of the of the leaders of our of our of our— know what of the of the leaders of our of our of our medical want.— of our of our of our medical watt. sa— of our of our of our medical world. so the— of our of our of our medical world. so the four studies they taee— world. so the four studies they taee the— world. so the four studies they base the mask— world. so the four studies they base the mask policy on one was a enatt— base the mask policy on one was a enatt ttne— base the mask policy on one was a small time survey— base the mask policy on one was a small time survey from a non enataate— a small time survey from a non graduate student— a small time survey from a non graduate student only written in chtneee. — graduate student only written in chtneee. sa— graduate student only written in chinese. so and— graduate student only written in chinese. so and it— graduate student only written in chinese. ati l chinese. so and it was of about 14 people and that's one of the studies they use to justify the mask policy for the whole of britain. so i don't care who says it. i care about the data and the evidence and looking backwards, policies backwards, which policies were more yours more successful? yours was a disaster. i cannot believe that we're having this this this discussion, whether it's chris

whitty , whether whether whitty, whether it's whether it's patrick vallance, whether it's patrick vallance, whether it's all of these eminent physicians , the idea that they physicians, the idea that they would engage in a conspiracy to deliberately hoodwink the country and they're all in on it all together, strains credulity beyond belief. it is extremely hatt— beyond belief. it is extremely hant ta— beyond belief. it is extremely hant ta ta— beyond belief. it is extremely hard to do the— beyond belief. it is extremely hard to do the basics,- i it is extremely hard to do the basics, let alone aneantee— hard to do the basics, let alone aneantee a— hard to do the basics, let alone organise a global— hard to do the basics, let alone organise a global international eaneataew— organise a global international eaneataew ta— organise a global international conspiracy to think that they wattt— conspiracy to think that they waatt ta— conspiracy to think that they would do this— conspiracy to think that they would do this requires an infrastructure— would do this requires an infrastructure of deception and cowh— infrastructure of deception and covm nation,— infrastructure of deception and covid nation, which is leagues tewant— covid nation, which is leagues tewant anwthtne— covid nation, which is leagues beyond anything that a trusted news initiative— beyond anything that a trusted news initiative . _ beyond anything that a trusted news initiative . ' i atil news initiative. and the fact that the majority of people that fund the who. are the exact kind of people you're talking about. and they decided to say that china did not have peer to peer and that it peer transmission and that it didn't come from a lab, which eventually have the eventually did. we have the receipts of of the cover receipts of all of the cover ups. so you think there is a etatat— ups. so you think there is a global—involvingl ups. so you think there is a. global—involving all global conspiracy involving all of-governments,- global conspiracy involving all of governments, all of the of the governments, all of the netteat— of the governments, all of the medical establishment, aukus and tttenattw— medical establishment, aukus and tttenattw-at— medical establishment, aukus and literally of thousands literally hundreds of thousands of literally hundreds of thousands at twtt— literally hundreds of thousands of civil servants— literally hundreds of thousands of civil servants around the wattt— of civil servants around the want ant— of civil servants around the world and people including tteaahtteane— world and people including republicans the including republicans in the us, including aeaate— republicans in the us, including aeaate aetaee— republicans in the us, including people across the—

republicans in the us, including people across the eu. you think that— people across the eu. you think that eaneata— people across the eu. you think that conspira iac_ people across the eu. you think that conspira iac has you know that— that conspira iac has you know that tata— that conspira iac has you know that tata ae— that conspira iac has you know that data was suppressed and teaaaee— that data was suppressed and heeaaee at— that data was suppressed and because of that— that data was suppressed and because of that conspiracy , we because of that conspiracy, we are we are in the— because of that conspiracy, we are we are in the state. we are that— are we are in the state. we are that te— are we are in the state. we are that te tan— are we are in the state. we are that is for the— are we are in the state. we are that is for the birds. that's nate. — that is for the birds. that's nate. wett— that is for the birds. that's nuts. well, we- that is for the birds. that's nuts. tittill i i l that is for the birds. that's- nuts. well, we don't have birds, but we do have breaks. so you are you can be the birds at home. he says it's for the birds. this is something nana obviously feels very strongly in. i do have to say, by the way, when it comes to the lab thing, are differences of thing, there are differences of opinions. say that. opinions. i do have to say that. let me know your thoughts. difference of opinions. you know of thoughts . if watch of my thoughts. if you watch this program don't you? i this program often, don't you? i also come perhaps linked also want to come perhaps linked to that last conversation on joe biden. if he gets in for a second term, will that be a good thing for this country or

oh, join me every sunday at six for gloria meets only on gb news, britain's news . channel news, britain's news. channel hello there. i'm michelle hewhenw— hello there. i'm michelle dewberry keeping- itsii; i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company nent— dewberry keeping you company neht thnaaeh— dewberry keeping you company right through till— dewberry keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight ataneette— right through till 7:00 tonight ataneette ne— right through till 7:00 tonight alongside me .— right through till 7:00 tonight alongside me . two fellows that alongside me. two fellows that tttn-t— alongside me. two fellows that tttn-t etaa— alongside me. two fellows that didn't stop talking in the

treat. — didn't stop talking in the treat. thew— didn't stop talking in the break. they were still going for it. -tomlinson,- it. connor tomlinson, a aatttteat— it. connor tomlinson, a political commentator and aateaet— political commentator and podcast host.— political commentator and podcast host. and athol hatwell is podcast host. and athol hatwell te the— podcast host. and athol hatwell te the-at— podcast host. and athol hatwell is the-of labour- podcast host. and athol hatwell is the of labour uncut . is the editor of labour uncut. tawn— is the editor of labour uncut. eawtn hae— is the editor of labour uncut. gavin has just— is the editor of labour uncut. gavin has just got in touch with me gavin has just got in touch with he eawtne— gavin has just got in touch with me saying michelle, did you me saying michelle, how did you just me saying michelle, how did you wet-han— me saying michelle, how did you taetltnan a— me saying michelle, how did you just from a conversation just go from a conversation ahaat— just go from a conversation about taxation _ just go from a conversation about taxation in scotland to all about taxation in scotland to attlthate— about taxation in scotland to all-that? covm- about taxation in scotland to all that? covid conversation? all of that? covid conversation? i'll all of that? covid conversation? ttt tett— all of that? covid conversation? ttt tett wan— all of that? covid conversation? i'll tell you for— all of that? covid conversation? i'll tell you for why— all of that? covid conversation? i'll tell you for why. all of that? covid conversation? i'll tell you for why . why? i'll tell you for why. why? heeaaee— i'll tell you for why. why? because this— i'll tell you for why. why? because this is- i'll tell you for why. why? because this is something that a lot because this is something that a tat at— because this is something that a tat at aeaate— because this is something that a lot of people don't— because this is something that a lot of people don't like to atntt— lot of people don't like to admit because— lot of people don't like to admit because they often like the _ lockdowns. - admit because they often like the lockdowns. but the concept of lockdowns. but at— the concept of lockdowns. but at the— the concept of lockdowns. but one of the reasons that we are in one of the reasons that we are tn the— one of the reasons that we are tn the e— one of the reasons that we are in the mess that— one of the reasons that we are in the mess that we're in and hang— in the mess that we're in and hawtne—thtnee- in the mess that we're in and having things like having to consider things like htehen— having to consider things like htehen-ant— having to consider things like higher-and all- having to consider things like higher and all the of higher taxes and all the rest of it higher taxes and all the rest of tt te— higher taxes and all the rest of it is because— higher taxes and all the rest of it is because of_ higher taxes and all the rest of it is because of the covid taettawn— it is because of the covid lockdown policy that we had in the— lockdown policy that we had in thte taunte— lockdown policy that we had in this country. that's why . this country. that's why. anwwaw — this country. that's why. anwwaw tet— this country. that's why. anyway, let me know your thaaehte— anyway, let me know your thaaehte an— anyway, let me know your thoughts on it.— anyway, let me know your thoughts on it. joe biden, he hae— thoughts on it. joe biden, he hae tannattw— thoughts on it. joe biden, he has formally announced his eanaaten— has formally announced his eanaaten tan— has formally announced his campaign for re—election in 202a,— campaign for re—election in 202a, ant— campaign for re—election in 2024, and he's— campaign for re—election in 2024, and he's already the atteet— 2024, and he's already the oldest president, by the way. ant— oldest president, by the way. ant tt— oldest president, by the way. ant t he— oldest president, by the way. and if he succeeded, it'd be 86 by the— and if he succeeded, it'd be 86 by the ent— and if he succeeded, it'd be 86 by the ent at— and if he succeeded, it'd be 86 by the ent at a— and if he succeeded, it'd be 86 by the end of a second term. aaee— by the end of a second term. haee that— by the end of a second term. does that matter— by the end of a second term. does that matter by the way? heeaaee— does that matter by the way? because a lot— does that matter by the way? because a lot of_ does that matter by the way? because a lot of math is made, ten-t— because a lot of math is made, ten-t tt— because a lot of math is made, ten-t tt ataat— because a lot of math is made, isn't it about age,— because a lot of math is made, isn't it about age, do you think age— isn't it about age, do you think aee atane— isn't it about age, do you think age alone should— isn't it about age, do you think age alone should be a reason to be, age alone should be a reason to

he, t— age alone should be a reason to he, t tan-t— age alone should be a reason to be, i don't know,— age alone should be a reason to be, i don't know, stroke out of aattttee— be, i don't know, stroke out of aattttee. te— be, i don't know, stroke out of politics. is that— be, i don't know, stroke out of politics. is that it?— be, i don't know, stroke out of politics. is that it? you you're ea.— politics. is that it? you you're eo- att— politics. is that it? you you're eo- on wan— politics. is that it? you you're ea. ott wan ea.— politics. is that it? you you're 80. off you go. that fair or 80. off you go. is that fair or hate— 80. off you go. is that fair or hate anwwaw— 80. off you go. is that fair or not? anyway, what do you think ? not? anyway, what do you think? if not? anyway, what do you think? tt he — not? anyway, what do you think? tt he ae— not? anyway, what do you think? if he was successful, do you thtnte— if he was successful, do you think? would— if he was successful, do you think? would it— if he was successful, do you think? would it be a good thing for think? would it be a good thing tan the— think? would it be a good thing tan the un— think? would it be a good thing tan the ttt an— think? would it be a good thing for the uk or not?— think? would it be a good thing for the uk or not? his re—election- for the uk or not? his re—election ?- for the uk or not? his re—election ? nortje, let's start re—election? nortje, let's start wtth— re—election? nortje, let's start wtth wan. — re—election? nortje, let's start wtth wan. t— re—election? nortje, let's start with you. i think— re—election? nortje, let's start with you. i think joe- re—election? nortje, let's start with you. i i with you. i think joe biden is one the under rated one of the most under rated politicians of my lifetime . um, politicians of my lifetime. um, he's a man who no one really rated, no one really kind of got behind. but he won and he won comfortably in the end. he's got a great record on the economy in the states. unemployment is the lowest in 50 years. 500,000 jobs being put on every month in the in the in the us economy. but for the uk, the most important thing is around foreign policy because if trump had won, vladimir or putin would have rolled straight through ukraine and we would have excuse me, no, because there's you can just when trump says vladimir putin has made a fantastic play in terms of in terms of invading ukraine, and he's a very smart quya ukraine, and he's a very smart guy, there's no way trump would have backed ukraine to the

extent that joe biden has gone into ukraine in the first place. he was making a comment on the fact he was making a comment on the taet that— he was making a comment on the fact that putin _ he was making a comment on the fact that putin capitalised off of fact that putin capitalised off at tee— fact that putin capitalised off of joe biden's_ fact that putin capitalised off of joe biden's weakness, which was observable— of joe biden's weakness, which was observable how he bungled was observable by how he bungled the _withdrawal. - the afghanistan withdrawal. nett— the afghanistan withdrawal. watt-nat— the afghanistan withdrawal. well, - not going - the afghanistan withdrawal. i well, - not going. defend well, i'm not going to defend afghanistan was afghanistan because that was that was let that was that was poor. let me just say, implementing trump's plan. no, no, no. that's a lie. that-e— plan. no, no, no. that's a lie. that a— plan. no, no, no. that's a lie. that a he.— plan. no, no, no. that's a lie. that's a lie. but— plan. no, no, no. that's a lie. that's a lie. but on- no, no, no. that's a lie. that's a lie. but on ukraine, he the— that's a lie. but on ukraine, he moves the idea— that's a lie. but on ukraine, he moves the idea that trump always eate— moves the idea that trump always eat, na— moves the idea that trump always eat, wan— moves the idea that trump always said, no, you can't— moves the idea that trump always said, no, you can't come on, hate.— said, no, you can't come on, hate-cant— said, no, you can't come on, hate-cant eet- said, no, you can't come on, mate. can't get away with mate. you can't get away with hanatt— mate. you can't get away with hanatt-twna- mate. you can't get away with donald -trump-he| mate. you can't get away with- donald -trump-he was donald trump. trump said he was going— donald trump. trump said he was eatneletant— donald trump. trump said he was eatneletant by— donald trump. trump said he was going stand by nato stand going to stand by nato and stand by anathe— going to stand by nato and stand by ukraine-stand— going to stand by nato and stand by ukraine stand with by ukraine and stand with vtattntn— by ukraine and stand with- vladimir—zelenskyy vladimir volodymyr zelenskyy atten— vladimir volodymyr zelenskyy atten he— vladimir volodymyr zelenskyy after he tried— vladimir volodymyr zelenskyy after he tried to— vladimir volodymyr zelenskyy after he tried to muscle zetenetw— after he tried to muscle zelenskyy to _ after he tried to muscle zelenskyy to give him give zelenskyy to give him to give htn— zelenskyy to give him to give htn antae— zelenskyy to give him to give him untrue,.give- zelenskyy to give him to give him untrue, give him intel on him untrue, to give him intel on nanten— him untrue, to give him intel on nanten htten— him untrue, to give him intel on nanten htten .— him untrue, to give him intel on hunter biden . hunter biden. was hunter biden. hunter biden. was he-haant— hunter biden. hunter biden. was he-haant at— hunter biden. hunter biden. was he-haant at a— hunter biden. hunter biden. was he board of a ukrainian he on the board of a ukrainian etate— he on the board of a ukrainian etate awnet— he on the board of a ukrainian state owned gas— he on the board of a ukrainian state owned gas firm with zero exehaenee— state owned gas firm with zero experience whatsoever and doing ttethaete— experience whatsoever and doing ttethaete ta — experience whatsoever and doing kickbacks to joe _ experience whatsoever and doing kickbacks to joe biden allegedly . sa— kickbacks to joe biden allegedly . so yea— kickbacks to joe biden allegedly . so you tan-t— kickbacks to joe biden allegedly . so you don't deny— kickbacks to joe biden allegedly . so you don't deny that donald trump made an enemy with vladimir zelenskyy? you don't there's no denying that. you don't deny there's no denying that donald trump was the man you know, he said, yeah, he's the man who was extremely

lukewarm on nato, questioning whether the united states wouldn't stand nato. he was wouldn't stand on nato. he was saying pay saying that you should pay proportionately your share proportionately your fair share to proportionately your fair share ta-that-e— proportionately your fair share to-that's exactly- proportionately your fair share to-that's exactly what. proportionately your fair share to proportionately your fair share . to-that's exactly what i was to it. that's exactly what i was saying. no, but but would saying. yeah no, but but would you was you disagree what he was basically saying that he was basically saying is that he was asking asking, why asking trump was asking, why should have to bankroll should america have to bankroll other that don't want to other members that don't want to pay other members that don't want to pay share? pay their fair share? and i would say that's a reasonable observation. reasonable observation. but an observation. but trump has an anetta— observation. but trump has an america first— observation. but trump has an america first-is- observation. but trump has an america first-is what'si america first person is what's wrong— america first person is what's wnane wtth— america first person is what's wrong with that?— america first person is what's wrong with that? all politicians ehaatt — wrong with that? all politicians should because _ wrong with that? all politicians should because he because some. heaae— should because he because some. heaae when— should because he because some. because when you're sometimes when— because when you're sometimes when-taeethen- because when you're sometimes when together across when you stand together across the want, — when you stand together across the world, that's— when you stand together across the world, that's important. stanttne— the world, that's important. standing with— the world, that's important. standing with ukraine is tnaahant— standing with ukraine is important. the idea that donald tann— important. the idea that donald tnana ant— important. the idea that donald trump ant the— important. the idea that donald trump and the republic party, when— trump and the republic party, when the— trump and the republic party, when the people— trump and the republic party, when the people who are as close as when the people who are as close ae eaaaanene— when the people who are as close as supporters, the— when the people who are as close as supporters, the tucker cantean-e— as supporters, the tucker carlson's marjorie taylor carlson's your marjorie taylor greene's-saying- carlson's your marjorie taylor greene's saying we should greene's are saying we should you— greene's are saying we should waa thaw— greene's are saying we should you know, there's— greene's are saying we should you know, there's no way this is the-the— you know, there's no way this is the-the us— you know, there's no way this is the-the us should- you know, there's no way this is the the us should be the way the us should be tnwatwet— the way the us should be involved. there- the way the us should be involved. there the that involved. there the idea that anathe— involved. there the idea that ukraine could— involved. there the idea that ukraine could have stood is just i ukraine could have stood is just tthtnh— ukraine could have stood is just tthtnh taet— ukraine could have stood is just i think, just lacks— ukraine could have stood is just i think, just lacks any form of anetttttttw. — i think, just lacks any form of credibility. and— i think, just lacks any form of credibility. and the idea of vtattnt— credibility. and the idea of vladimir putin— credibility. and the idea of vladimir putin with his tanks on wato-e— vladimir putin with his tanks on nato's borders,— vladimir putin with his tanks on nato's borders, with a us that's tatewann — nato's borders, with a us that's lukewarm about— nato's borders, with a us that's lukewarm about standing up to him:— lukewarm about standing up to he that— lukewarm about standing up to he that te— lukewarm about standing up to

him, that is an— lukewarm about standing up to him, that is an absolutely anteat— him, that is an absolutely critical threat— him, that is an absolutely critical threat to this country . ant— critical threat to this country . ant tt-e— critical threat to this country . and it's not— critical threat to this country . and it's not just it's not taet— . and it's not just it's not taet my— . and it's not just it's not taet my wew— . and it's not just it's not just my view. that's that's also the wew— just my view. that's that's also the at— just my view. that's that's also the view of most— just my view. that's that's also the view of most of most of this eaneewattwe— the view of most of most of this conservative british— the view of most of most of this conservative british government. ten-t— conservative british government. ten-tthete— conservative british government. ten-t there a— conservative british government. ten-t there a patt— conservative british government. isn't there a part of_ conservative british government. isn't there a part of you- conservative british government. isn't there a part of you that- isn't there a part of you that thinks that or wonders if donald trump was in power? would putin have behaved the way that he did ? because you're making the assumption absolute he assumption that absolute he would and it would would have done and it would have been ten times. is there a part of you that thinks that actually putin have had actually putin might have had second about behaving actually putin might have had sectway about behaving actually putin might have had sectway that about behaving actually putin might have had sectway that tdone?yehaving actually putin might have had sectway that tdone?ye don't] the way that he's done? i don't know. doesn't know. know. yeah one doesn't know. there's a counterfactual. you tan-t— there's a counterfactual. you tan-t-thtne- there's a counterfactual. you. don't-thing-didn't don't know the thing that didn't happen. — don't know the thing that didn't happen. hat— don't know the thing that didn't happen. but what— don't know the thing that didn't happen. but what we do is happen. but what we do know is that—heeaaeei that putin liked trump because he—eaatt— that putin liked trump because he_could roll- that putin liked trump because he could roll trump he thought he could roll trump heaae— he thought he could roll trump because-didn't- he thought he could roll trump because didn't stand up to because trump didn't stand up to him because trump didn't stand up to htn ant— because trump didn't stand up to htn ant that— because trump didn't stand up to him and that he— because trump didn't stand up to him and that he thought that name— him and that he thought that trump-putin's- him and that he thought that trump putin's part him and that he thought that. trump-putin's part of trump he part of putin's part of hath-e— trump he part of putin's part of tattn-e aeenta— trump he part of putin's part of putin's agenda is— trump he part of putin's part of putin's agenda is to divide tanaae— putin's agenda is to divide europe ant— putin's agenda is to divide europe and the— putin's agenda is to divide europe and the united states. why— europe and the united states. wby he— europe and the united states. why he thee— europe and the united states. why he likes trump and to and for why he likes trump and to and tan the— why he likes trump and to and tan the tan— why he likes trump and to and for the for americans to for the for the americans to etaw— for the for the americans to etaw tn— for the for the americans to stay in america. _ for the for the americans to stay in america. and he can be he an— stay in america. and he can be he can reassert— stay in america. and he can be he can reassert the— stay in america. and he can be he can reassert the ussr in tanaae— he can reassert the ussr in tanaae tan— he can reassert the ussr in europe for britain's security . a europe for britain's security. a aneettent— europe for britain's security. a aneettent ant— europe for britain's security. a president and joe— europe for britain's security. a president and joe biden is one. eeanee— president and joe biden is one. eeanee w— president and joe biden is one. george w haen— president and joe biden is one. george w bush similarly would have— george w bush similarly would have etaat— george w bush similarly would have stood with— george w bush similarly would have stood with ukraine. this

ten-t— have stood with ukraine. this hat that— have stood with ukraine. this isn't that kind— have stood with ukraine. this isn't that kind of_ have stood with ukraine. this isn't that kind of partisan, neaeeeantw— isn't that kind of partisan, necessarily a— isn't that kind of partisan, necessarily a partisan political isn't that kind of partisan, necessari agiiniartisan political isn't that kind of partisan, necessari agiini; tisan political isn't that kind of partisan, necessari agiini; itii; stlitical isn't that kind of partisan, necessari agiini itii; taical isn't that kind of partisan, necessari g ltitl isn't that kind of partisan, necessari ag party. i agree. there's a lot of financial interests in the military industrial complex and certain presidents children sitting on boards of foreign governments, i might try them governments, if i might try them in policy in their. trump's energy policy was the best bulwarks was one of the best bulwarks against putin's invasion, and particularly would helped particularly would have helped out now, got out the germans. now, trump got up out the germans. now, trump got up and he was laughed at the up and he was laughed at in the un when he says, you're mad for dismantling nuclear power dismantling your nuclear power stations, made stations, which would have made you an abundant energy sufficient and then sufficient nation, and then investing sufficient nation, and then investi not just a that's not that's not just a that's not taet— that's not just a that's not taet a— that's not just a that's not taet a trump- — that's not just a that's not just a trump. ll just a trump. i'll let you talk for ages. come on. right. hold on. well, tell you on. right. well, i'll tell you what going do because i'm what i'm going to do because i'm keen to hear from you. i'm going to cut youlbreak_ keen to hear from you. i'm going to cut youlbreak and- keen to hear from you. i'm going to cut youlbreak and i'm- i i'm going to cut you break and i'm going to cut you a break and i'm going to cut you a break and i'm going ta heat— to cut you a break and i'm going ta heat han— to cut you a break and i'm going to hear from you— to cut you a break and i'm going to hear from you when i return. athetwtee— to hear from you when i return. athetwtee tn— to hear from you when i return. otherwise i'm going to have to eaeee— otherwise i'm going to have to etaeeze—tt- otherwise i'm going to have toi squeeze—i'd rather squeeze it short. and i'd rather hat.— squeeze it short. and i'd rather hat-ltan-t— squeeze it short. and i'd rather natltan-t ea— squeeze it short. and i'd rather not. don't go anywhere. not. so don't go anywhere. vaa-tt— not. so don't go anywhere. you'll-hearing- not. so don't go anywhere. you'll hearing him not. so don't go anywhere.- you'll.hearing-him and you'll be hearing from him and his you'll be hearing from him and hte-tn— you'll be hearing from him and hte-tn twa— his response in two

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eanaanw— dewberry and i'm keeping you eanaanw nent— dewberry and i'm keeping you company right through till 7:00 tanteht— company right through till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, connor tanttnean— tonight. alongside me, connor tanttnean te— tonight. alongside me, connor tomlinson is a— tonight. alongside me, connor tomlinson is a political commentator- tomlinson is a political commentator podcast host tomlinson is a political- commentator-podcast host, commentator and podcast host, ant— commentator and podcast host, ant-nanwett— commentator and podcast host, and-hartwell is- commentator and podcast host, and hartwell is the editor and ethel hartwell is the editor of and ethel hartwell is the editor at-unaat— and ethel hartwell is the editor at-uneat .— and ethel hartwell is the editor of-uncut . just- and ethel hartwell is the editor of uncut . just before the of labour uncut. just before the bee,— of labour uncut. just before the teat, eaeattne— of labour uncut. just before the break, speaking of_ of labour uncut. just before the break, speaking of cuts, i did have— break, speaking of cuts, i did have ta— break, speaking of cuts, i did have ta taet— break, speaking of cuts, i did have to just cut— break, speaking of cuts, i did have to just cut my conversation ehan. — have to just cut my conversation ehan. sa — have to just cut my conversation ehan. sa enatt— have to just cut my conversation short. so shall we— have to just cut my conversation short. so shall we tend to it? the— short. so shall we tend to it? the wee— short. so shall we tend to it? we were talking— short. so shall we tend to it? we were talking about joe biden, whether— we were talking about joe biden, whethenlnat— we were talking about joe biden, whether not second term whether or not a second term what— whether or not a second term what that— whether or not a second term what that would _ whether or not a second term what that would mean for the uk. waatt— what that would mean for the uk. waattlhe— what that would mean for the uk. waattlhe a— what that would mean for the uk. wouldlbe a good— what that would mean for the uk. wouldlbe a good-or- what that would mean for the uk. would be a good or not? would it be a good thing or not? canar— would it be a good thing or not? cananlwae— would it be a good thing or not? conoriwas keen— would it be a good thing or not? conoriwas keen to— would it be a good thing or not? conor was keen to your conor i was keen to hear your eeaneea ta— conor i was keen to hear your response to some— conor i was keen to hear your response to some of the points nteee— response to some of the points raised-90— response to some of the points nateetlealtt. - response to some of the points raised,.go.it. yeah.- raised, so go for it. yeah. hetnnanw— raised, so go for it. yeah. germany would have been energy sufficient angela merkel sufficient if angela merkel hadnt sufficient if angela merkel hadn't have systematically destroyed nuclear destroyed all of their nuclear power and power plants after fukushima and they've just decommissioned their this year. trump their last one this year. trump decided them against decided to warn them against it and he was laughed at. but then as soon as the ukraine war breaks and they're all breaks out and they're all reliant nord stream, nobody's reliant on nord stream, nobody's laughing nord laughing now. and the nord stream blows stream mysteriously blows up shortly says, shortly after joe biden says, don't worry, take care of don't worry, we'll take care of it. seymour hersh, who's a prize don't worry, we'll take care of it. seymjournalist. who's a prize don't worry, we'll take care of it. seymjournalist who's; a prize winning journalist who's been documenting winning journalist who's been documenti since the 70s, has corruption since the 70s, has a pretty decent substack on the breakdown may gone breakdown of what may have gone on closed there. on behind closed doors there. but awfully convenient that but it's awfully convenient that joe destroyed joe biden, when he's destroyed america's by america's energy independence by

repealing lots trump's repealing lots of trump's natural manufacture by by natural gas manufacture by by the way, which made america from 2017 to 2019, the leading nation in reducing its emissions while also getting its gas price down. so should have appeased so it should have appeased the climate biden, pretty climate lobby. joe biden, pretty much one, cancelled the much on day one, cancelled the keystone and then keystone xl pipeline and then banned fracking on federal banned all fracking on federal land. he's rolled back . land. so he's rolled that back. it happens that despite land. so he's rolled that back. it terribleappens that despite land. so he's rolled that back. it terrible policies,iat despite land. so he's rolled that back. it terrible policies, he'sespite his terrible policies, he's now become energy supplier become the main energy supplier for all of the west for pretty much all of the west that now can no longer buy from russia. all the opec russia. and all of the opec countries. but that also doesn't mean american petro mean that the american petro dollar isn't destroyed. dollar isn't being destroyed. that's global reserve that's the global reserve currency. a of currency. he's pushed a bunch of countries into the arms of china, india and russia . i don't china, india and russia. i don't think joe biden's sensible at all, and trump wouldn't have done that. so, i mean, do you want— done that. so, i mean, do you want ta— done that. so, i mean, do you want to respond— done that. so, i mean, do you want to respond to— so, i mean, do you want to respond to any that want to respond to any of that hetane— want to respond to any of that tetane—nawe - want to respond to any of that before move along before we kind of move along a ttttte— before we kind of move along a ttttte tatte— before we kind of move along a ttttte htte t— before we kind of move along a little bit? i mean,— before we kind of move along a little bit? i mean, just donald tann— little bit? i mean, just donald tramp-a— little bit? i mean, just donald trump-a donald- little bit? i mean, just donald trump a donald trump would trump was a donald trump would not trump was a donald trump would hat-eneaeet— trump was a donald trump would not-engaged with— trump was a donald trump would not engaged with the rest not have engaged with the rest of not have engaged with the rest at-want. — not have engaged with the rest at-want. tee— not have engaged with the rest of-world. joe biden- not have engaged with the rest of world. i of the world. joe biden has donald would have donald trump would not have stood ukraine. joe biden stood with ukraine. joe biden has. biden is a is a is has. and joe biden is a is a is just a is a rational, normal american leader. and that's what we in this country of

we in this country refute any of this country this he's this country in this saying he's a person he's good. a good person because he's good. well so your point about trump and and german nuclear and german and german nuclear power , lots of people have said power, lots of people have said the shouldn't the germans shouldn't have dismantled power . dismantled their nuclear power. lots environmentalists have lots of environmentalists have said the idea that that's said that the idea that that's somehow a unique insight of donald trump is it was unique is ridiculous. but donald trump did say ridiculous. but donald trump did eaw t— ridiculous. but donald trump did eaw t mean— ridiculous. but donald trump did eaw t t— i i i but donald trump did say i mean, i remember a dinner ant— say i mean, i remember a dinner ant tn— say i mean, i remember a dinner ant tn eae— say i mean, i remember a dinner ant tn ae— say i mean, i remember a dinner and i'm sure was it— say i mean, i remember a dinner and i'm sure was it jan jens stattenhene— and i'm sure was it jan jens stoltenberg the— and i'm sure was it jan jens stoltenberg the nato guy? i'm tt— stoltenberg the nato guy? i'm tt ae— stoltenberg the nato guy? i'm tt a— stoltenberg the nato guy? i'm sure it was a dinner where they ant— sure it was a dinner where they were and donald— sure it was a dinner where they were and donald trump was haetaattw— were and donald trump was basically flagging and saying there-e— basically flagging and saying there's some— basically flagging and saying there's some counterproductive etatt— there's some counterproductive etatt eatne— there's some counterproductive etatt eatne an— there's some counterproductive stuff going on here because natt— stuff going on here because part at— stuff going on here because we're part of nato. and then waa-we— we're part of nato. and then waa-we eat— we're part of nato. and then you've got germany . so relying you've got germany. so relying on you've got germany. so relying an ttaeetan— you've got germany. so relying on russian energy— you've got germany. so relying on russian energy and the whole thtne— on russian energy and the whole thtne te— on russian energy and the whole thtne te tht— on russian energy and the whole thing is kind of_ thing is kind of counterproductive. and he thing is kind of_ counterproductive. and he was tht— counterproductive. and he was ttnt at— counterproductive. and he was kind of basically— counterproductive. and he was kind of basically like sneered at, kind of basically like sneered e, t— kind of basically like sneered e, t waa— kind of basically like sneered at, if you like.— kind of basically like sneered at, if you like. and oh yeah, atae— at, if you like. and oh yeah, okay, dismissed.— at, if you like. and oh yeah, okay, dismissed. and when you taat— okay, dismissed. and when you taat hatt— okay, dismissed. and when you taat taet an— okay, dismissed. and when you look back on that,— okay, dismissed. and when you look back on that, actually, he hat— look back on that, actually, he hatlaatnt— look back on that, actually, he hatlaatnt .— look back on that, actually, he hatlaatnt . tt-e— look back on that, actually, he had point . it's possible for had a point. it's possible for htn— had a point. it's possible for htn ta— had a point. it's possible for htn ta have— had a point. it's possible for him to have a— had a point. it's possible for him to have a point. it's eaaattw— him to have a point. it's equally the— him to have a point. it's equally the case- him to have a point. it's equally the case know the best thing with donald trump is to listen to him and listen to his supporters, supporters and

supporters, his supporters and all of the people in his orbit say, know, the steve say, you know, the steve bannon's taylor bannon's marjorie taylor greene's carlson's greene's the tucker carlson's say that the ukraine that say that ukraine is some form of global conspiracy. are you going to address my points? to address any of my points? you're going to these you're just going to say these aeaate— you're just going to say these aeaate t— you're just going to say these aeaate t tan-t— you're just going to say these people i don't like said things i people i don't like said things t-ttte— people i don't like said things t-ttte ant— people i don't like said things i like and therefore i don't like and therefore waate—tnl i don't like and therefore waate—tn ta you're invalid? no i'm going to say— you're invalid? no i'm going to eaw that— you're invalid? no i'm going to eaw that-hw— you're invalid? no i'm going to say that-my point- you're invalid? no i'm going to say that my point is that say that they my point is that tann— say that they my point is that trump waatt— say that they my point is that trump would not— say that they my point is that trump would not stood with trump would not have stood with tthatne. — trump would not have stood with ukraine. .evidence- trump would not have stood with ukraine. .evidence is- trump would not have stood with ukraine. ii ukraine. the evidence is that the people around him are of, you kind of virulently you know, kind of virulently against supporting ukraine, drawn out donald trump himself . drawn out donald trump himself. donald trump himself said that it's a masterful strategic move by putin to invade ukraine. and the idea that we would the idea that we would be currently in a position where ukraine is standing firm and russian tanks are that much further away from the uk and nato boundaries , is the uk and nato boundaries, is i think it just lacks any form of credibility, genuinely, any form has intention to invade the uk . has intention to invade the uk. i think. think vladimir putin i think. i think vladimir putin would have had designs on countries within nato and an attack on one and his attack is an attack on all. we look at

those baltic states. he's made a pretty it pretty evident he wants to recreate the ussr and the russian empire. do you think we ehaatt— the russian empire. do you think we should have— the russian empire. do you think we should have nato— 3 a“ ti; iti; do you think we should have nato boots on the enaant— we should have nato boots on the ground essentially— we should have nato boots on the ground essentially ukraine? ground essentially in ukraine? i ground essentially in ukraine? t-ehaatt— ground essentially in ukraine? i-should support- i think we should support ukraine don't need ukraine such that we don't need to boots on the ground. to have any boots on the ground. and whether it's with and that means whether it's with air missiles, everything and that means whether it's with athe missiles, everything and that means whether it's with athe ukrainians.es, everything and that means whether it's with athe ukrainians are everything and that means whether it's with athe ukrainians are perfectlyg , the ukrainians are perfectly capable the job. they capable of doing the job. they just need the support. and the ukrainian victory is a victory for nato victory for the for nato and a victory for the uk. entirely disagree because tt— uk. entirely disagree because tt thew— uk. entirely disagree because even if they win,— entirely disagree because even if they win, russia, china ant— even if they win, russia, china ant-at— even if they win, russia, china ant-at the— even if they win, russia, china and-of the brics- even if they win, russia, china and of the brics nations and all of the brics nations have— and all of the brics nations have-the— and all of the brics nations have-the hard- and all of the brics nations have the hard assets that have all of the hard assets that tt— have all of the hard assets that tt waa— have all of the hard assets that even if you wanted to transition to even if you wanted to transition ta—atl to net zero, they have all of that.— to net zero, they have all of that. the— to net zero, they have all of that. the chinese and the belt ant— that. the chinese and the belt ant ttaat— that. the chinese and the belt and road scheme— that. the chinese and the belt and road scheme have all the and road scheme have all of the aate—that- and road scheme have all of the aate—that youl rare precious minerals that you neet— rare precious minerals that you neet-ta— rare precious minerals that you neet-ta ta— rare precious minerals that you need-to do all- rare precious minerals that you need-to do all the- need to do to do all the renewables_ need to do to do all the renewables that joe biden's tane. — renewables that joe biden's tane. tn— renewables that joe biden's done. i'm not— renewables that joe biden's done. i'm not sure- renewables that joe biden's done. i'm not sure how this relates the relates to ukraine because the point have sunk lots of point is we have sunk lots of money into ukraine. we have sanctioned russia.— money into ukraine. we have sanctioned russia. we- we have sanctioned russia. we have made a tneeatwahte— sanctioned russia. we have made a irresolvable enemy of them. when— a irresolvable enemy of them. when-have— a irresolvable enemy of them. when-have-of- a irresolvable enemy of them. when-have-of the. when they have lots of the resources - need - when they have lots of the resources need to get resources that we need to get off resources that we need to get attlthe — resources that we need to get attlthe-that— resources that we need to get off-the .that i'm - resources that we need to get off the that i'm saying. off of the gas that i'm saying. so off of the gas that i'm saying. sa-eawtne— off of the gas that i'm saying. so-saying.should- so you're saying we should kowtow vladimir putin, kowtow to vladimir putin, kowtow, say no, no, no, kowtow, give him say no, no, no,

no, no. i said we shouldn't cut off no, no. i said we shouldn't cut at aa— no, no. i said we shouldn't cut at naee— no, no. i said we shouldn't cut off our nose to— no, no. i said we shouldn't cut off our nose to spite- i said we shouldn't cut off our nose to spite our face by continually— off our nose to spite our face by continually prolonging the eantttet— by continually prolonging the conflict pursuing conflict and also pursuing aattatee— policies, which means that we cant— policies, which means that we can't-own natural. policies, which means that we can't own natural gas can't have our own natural gas eeeeew— can't have our own natural gas neeewee-waatt- can't have our own natural gas reserves would have reserves which would have tneatatet— reserves which would have insulated .from - reserves which would have insulated from this war. insulated us from this war. i tan-t— insulated us from this war. i don't understand the point about natanat— don't understand the point about natural-reserves. - don't understand the point about natural reserves. git natural gas reserves. we've got our north sea gas. our own we have north sea gas. we we're not tapping. we have we're not tapping. instead, we're doubling down. we have.— instead, we're doubling down. we have—hae— instead, we're doubling down. we have. -has allied- instead, we're doubling down. we have. has allied with have. and china has allied with ttaeeta— have. and china has allied with ttaeeta-we-we— have. and china has allied with russia we've made sure that russia and we've made sure that netattanehta— russia and we've made sure that netattanehta te— russia and we've made sure that relationship is strengthened. so no relationship is strengthened. so hat—wn- relationship is strengthened. soi na—wtnlnat, no matter if ukraine win or not, eatne— no matter if ukraine win or not, eatne-waa- no matter if ukraine win or not, we're going you make a we're going to. well, you make a eaat— we're going to. well, you make a eaat pant.— we're going to. well, you make a eaat aatnt. — we're going to. well, you make a good point. actually,- we're going to. well, you make a good point. i i good point. actually, because, richard, my viewers says richard, one of my viewers says china should richard, one of my viewers says chiwould should richard, one of my viewers says chiwould probably should richard, one of my viewers says chiwould probably be should richard, one of my viewers says chiwould probably be sitting)uld be would probably be sitting here their here right now rubbing their hands comes to all hands when it comes to all of that. i think make a very that. i think you make a very interesting point, philip says he's very pleased biden he's very pleased that joe biden is because he says is running again because he says it's best laugh he's had in it's the best laugh he's had in ages. of my other viewers ages. one of my other viewers says about biden's age. says it's not about biden's age. it's some of the way that it's about some of the way that he behaves and whether or not he is office anyway. that's is fit for office anyway. that's a conversation, that debate, i suspect, chaps, could rumble on and on. but look at the time. it absolutely flies. that's all i've got time for tonight. thank you much for your company. you very much for your company.

thank up next, is thank you. at home. up next, is nigel farage. don't go anywhere and i'll see you tomorrow . and i'll see you tomorrow. hello again. it's aidan mcgivern hete— hello again. it's aidan mcgivern here than— hello again. it's aidan mcgivern hene tan the— hello again. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met— hello again. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. anathen— here from the met office. another chilly— here from the met office. another chilly night for many of us, another chilly night for many of tat— another chilly night for many of tat nat— another chilly night for many of us, but not for— another chilly night for many of us, but not for all. _ another chilly night for many of us, but not for all. there'll be etaatten— us, but not for all. there'll be cloudier skies— us, but not for all. there'll be cloudier skies towards the south—west,— cloudier skies towards the south—west, and as a result, it wtt— south—west, and as a result, it wttt he— south—west, and as a result, it wttt he a— south—west, and as a result, it wttt he a ttt— south—west, and as a result, it will be a bit milder. we are going— will be a bit milder. we are eatne ta— will be a bit milder. we are going to-milder- will be a bit milder. we are going to milder weather going to see milder weather aaanaaah— going to see milder weather aaanaaeh nan — going to see milder weather approach from the south—west and it's approach from the south—west and he ewentaattw— approach from the south—west and it's eventually going to affect nach— it's eventually going to affect much-by- it's eventually going to affect much-by the- it's eventually going to affect much by the weekend much of the uk by the weekend wtth— much of the uk by the weekend with temperatures— much of the uk by the weekend with temperatures rising many with temperatures rising in many hatte— with temperatures rising in many hate-wtth— with temperatures rising in many pane-wtth that— with temperatures rising in many parts. with that milder air, parts. but with that milder air, wett— parts. but with that milder air, we-tt atea— parts. but with that milder air, we'll also see— parts. but with that milder air, we'll also see more changeable eanttttane— we'll also see more changeable eanttttane ae— we'll also see more changeable conditions as areas— we'll also see more changeable conditions as areas cloud. conditions as areas of cloud. sane— conditions as areas of cloud. some outbreaks— conditions as areas of cloud. some outbreaks of rain and some heavy— some outbreaks of rain and some heaw eahwee— some outbreaks of rain and some heavy showers developing on a the— heavy showers developing on a the-an— heavy showers developing on a fine-on tuesday— heavy showers developing on a fine on tuesday comes to an fine day on tuesday comes to an ent— fine day on tuesday comes to an ent-eaette— fine day on tuesday comes to an end-spells across- end with clear spells across tentat— end with clear spells across central - northern - end with clear spells across central northern of central and northern parts of the— central and northern parts of the ttt.— central and northern parts of the at. the— central and northern parts of the uk. the lowest temperatures ante-expectet— the uk. the lowest temperatures once expected across once again expected across ntehtant,— once again expected across highland, minus once again expected across- highland,-minus seven highland, scotland, minus seven cetetae— highland, scotland, minus seven celsius possible— highland, scotland, minus seven celsius possible in— highland, scotland, minus seven celsius possible in 1 or 2 ehettenet— celsius possible in 1 or 2 sheltered spots. a frost then for scotland _ sheltered spots. a frost then for scotland and— sheltered spots. a frost then for scotland and northern and ete— for scotland and northern and eastern england,— for scotland and northern and eastern england, but elsewhere the— eastern england, but elsewhere the th— eastern england, but elsewhere across the uk a— eastern england, but elsewhere across the uk a lot of cloud and as across the uk a lot of cloud and ae a heat— across the uk a lot of cloud and as a result frost— across the uk a lot of cloud and as a result frost free towards the— as a result frost free towards the southwest— as a result frost free towards the southwest as— as a result frost free towards the southwest as well as wanhenn— the southwest as well as northern ireland. here we've got etaatten— northern ireland. here we've got cloudier conditions— northern ireland. here we've got cloudier conditions during ttetneetaw— cloudier conditions during wednesday and some outbreaks of mana— wednesday and some outbreaks of natntw tteht— wednesday and some outbreaks of mainly light rain— wednesday and some outbreaks of mainly light rain and drizzle.

hat— mainly light rain and drizzle. hat tt-e— mainly light rain and drizzle. hat tt-e eatne— mainly light rain and drizzle. but it's going to— mainly light rain and drizzle. but it's going to be increasingly gloomy towards the eaathweet— increasingly gloomy towards the southwest with _ increasingly gloomy towards the southwest with the cloud eawenne— southwest with the cloud covering - and - southwest with the cloud covering and some coastal covering hills and some coastal ntet— covering hills and some coastal ntet ant— covering hills and some coastal ntet ant hae— covering hills and some coastal mist and fog. meanwhile brighter ehee—nnent,- skies for northern england, much of skies for northern england, much at—wett— skies for northern england, much at—wett-eane- of scotland. we'll see some eahwee— of scotland. we'll see some showers—across. showers developing across eaathenn— showers developing across southern scotland northern southern scotland and northern tnetant— southern scotland and northern england-between- southern scotland and northern england. between some england. but in between some eannw—tanhen- england. but in between some sunny further wintry sunny spells and further wintry eahwee— sunny spells and further wintry showers expected _ sunny spells and further wintry showers expected for the wanhenn— showers expected for the nathan-.- showers expected for thei northern -.-really showers expected for the - northern -.-really it's northern isles. but really it's eteet— northern isles. but really it's sleet around— northern isles. but really it's sleet around coasts and snow aanttnet— sleet around coasts and snow confined-hills- sleet around coasts and snow confined-hills as- sleet around coasts and snow confined hills as into confined to the hills as into ttetneetaw— confined to the hills as into wednesday night. confined to the hills as into wednesday night . then the cold wednesday night. then the cold air wednesday night. then the cold at aetetete— wednesday night. then the cold at aetetete tn— wednesday night. then the cold air persists in the— wednesday night. then the cold air persists in the north of seattant— air persists in the north of scotland another frost scotland with another frost tttetw— scotland with another frost likely elsewhere across the uk. taa— likely elsewhere across the uk. taa naen— likely elsewhere across the uk. too much cloud— likely elsewhere across the uk. too much cloud to— likely elsewhere across the uk. too much cloud to allow a frost to too much cloud to allow a frost ta tann — too much cloud to allow a frost ta tann .— too much cloud to allow a frost ta tann . ant— too much cloud to allow a frost to form . and in— too much cloud to allow a frost to form . and in fact, we'll see to form. and in fact, we'll see some outbreaks— to form. and in fact, we'll see some outbreaks of_ to form. and in fact, we'll see some outbreaks of rain reaching eeten— some outbreaks of rain reaching western scotland,— some outbreaks of rain reaching western scotland, southern seattant— western scotland, southern scotland _the scotland by the end of the nteht. — scotland by the end of the nteht. ant— scotland by the end of the night. and start off night. and as we start off thanetaw— night. and as we start off thursday, wetter weather thursday, some wetter weather watttne — thursday, some wetter weather watttne-whee- thursday, some wetter weather. waiting-wings-the waiting in the wings towards the eaathweet— waiting in the wings towards the southwest,-celsius- waiting in the wings towards the southwest, celsius in the southwest, ten celsius in the setttw— southwest, ten celsius in the sate-a— southwest, ten celsius in the scilly-a mild- southwest, ten celsius in the scilly a mild start to scilly isles. a mild start to the— scilly isles. a mild start to eee-eee,— scilly isles. a mild start to the-henela- scilly isles. a mild start to the-here,-a wet. scilly isles. a mild start to. the-here,-a wet start. the day here, but a wet start. ant— the day here, but a wet start. ant that— the day here, but a wet start. and that rain— the day here, but a wet start. and that rain moves into the eaathweet— and that rain moves into the southwest of_ and that rain moves into the southwest of england during the nanntne— southwest of england during the morning,-south- southwest of england during the morning, south wales southwest of england during the mom in], south wales southwest of england during the mom in the south wales southwest of england during the mom in the morningiuth wales southwest of england during the mom in the morning and wales southwest of england during the mornin the morning and then; later in the morning and then heaantne— later in the morning and then becoming much— later in the morning and then becoming much more widespread tnetant— becoming much more widespread across england wales during across england and wales during thanetaw— across england and wales during thursday afternoon. some thantew— thursday afternoon. some thundery rain— thursday afternoon. some thundery rain likely. thursday afternoon. some thundery rain likely . and as thundery rain likely. and as that— thundery rain likely. and as that an— thundery rain likely. and as that rain moves— thundery rain likely. and as that rain moves through , well, that rain moves through, well, wetea-t— that rain moves through, well, we're to see conditions we're going to see conditions tann— we're going to see conditions tam—the- we're going to see conditions. turn—the weekend.

turn warmer into the weekend. hat— turn warmer into the weekend. hat tt-e— turn warmer into the weekend. hat tt-e nat— turn warmer into the weekend. but it's not going— turn warmer into the weekend. but it's not going be but it's not going to be enttnetw— but it's not going to be entirely sunny. there will be a lot entirely sunny. there will be a tat-etaat— entirely sunny. there will be a lot-cloud and— entirely sunny. there will be a lot cloud and further showers lot of cloud and further showers at thee— lot of cloud and further showers at ttnee .—

good evening . i good evening . as our foreign good evening. as our foreign secretary appears to go weak on china, we ask , can we should we china, we ask, can we should we trust that country? joe biden announces, yes, he's running for the presidency yet again . but is the presidency yet again. but is it really credible for a man who doesn't seem to have his full mental faculties and the plight of britain's 4000 of them nearly stranded in sudan appears to be getting worse ? we asked the getting worse? we asked the question, has the foreign office dropped the ball once again? but before all of that , let's get before all of that, let's get the news with bethany elsey .