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give us the common sense policing that suella braverman so desperately says we need? if it's not, what else do we need to happen in this country to get our policing on track and private schools? they started to increase their fees because of inflation and what you're seeing is parents having to remove their children . an is this their children. an is this a warning shot? if you like, to keir starmer, whose policy would be to add vat to the fees of private schools? he says it's all about levelling up, about really hitting the rich. i say it's about attempting to tax aspira nation. what says you and peta the animal rights charity, is saying that if you eat fish, you know fish and chips , that you know fish and chips, that great british treat , it's akin, great british treat, it's akin, if you like to eating your own pets, cats. what honestly, i really do say this often, but sometimes i feel this world is going mad. but worry not with a bit of a dose of sanity. we'll get into it all. but before we do, let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest

headunes speed with tonight's latest headlines with polly middlehurst . michelle, thank you and good evening to you . the first flight evening to you. the first flight carrying— evening to you. the first flight carrying british— " g the first flight carrying british nationals evacuated— carrying british nationals evacuated from sudan has landed in the— evacuated from sudan has landed in the uk— evacuated from sudan has landed in the uk this— evacuated from sudan has landed in the uk this afternoon . it's in the uk this afternoon. it's undea— in the uk this afternoon. it's unclee neu— in the uk this afternoon. it's unclear how many people were on lonel— unclear how many people were on ncunl nuc— unclear how many people were on learn but we— unclear how many people were on board, but we do— unclear how many people were on board, but we do know more than soo— board, but we do know more than see people— board, but we do know more than see people neve— board, but we do know more than 300 people have been evacuated non— 300 people have been evacuated from me— 300 people have been evacuated from the country— 300 people have been evacuated from the country so— 300 people have been evacuated from the country so far . it's from the country so far. it's ecclnucel— from the country so far. it's estimated around 4000 people eucl— estimated around 4000 people were stuck there— estimated around 4000 people were stuck there ._ estimated around 4000 people were stuck there . hundreds of were stuck there. hundreds of people— were stuck there. hundreds of people neve— were stuck there. hundreds of people have been killed since npnnnp— people have been killed since fighting between the sudanese nllnun— fighting between the sudanese nllnun enl— fighting between the sudanese military and rival para military fences— military and rival para military fecec fuele— military and rival para military forces broke out— military and rival para military forces broke out more than a fennfpnf— forces broke out more than a fennfpnf upe— forces broke out more than a fennfpnf age. a— forces broke out more than a fortnight ago. a 72 hour ceeefue— fortnight ago. a 72 hour ceasefire is— fortnight ago. a 72 hour ceasefire is currently holding , ceasefire is currently holding, but ceasefire is currently holding, euf fne— ceasefire is currently holding, but the prime— ceasefire is currently holding, but the prime minister has unnee— but the prime minister has penned fne— but the prime minister has warned the next 24 hours are cnucfel— warned the next 24 hours are cnucfel ec— warned the next 24 hours are crucial, as british— warned the next 24 hours are crucial, as british forces race to rescue more— crucial, as british forces race to rescue more people before it ende— to rescue more people before it ends. aslee— to rescue more people before it ends. asked whether the government _ ends. asked whether the government would also introduce cafe— government would also introduce cefe euef— government would also introduce cefe euef fen— government would also introduce safe routes for refugees , suella safe routes for refugees, suella braverman said— safe routes for refugees, suella braverman said not. kelli; braverman said not. we have no plans— braverman said not. we have no plans fe— braverman said not. we have no plans to do that. our focus , plans to do that. our focus, first and foremost right now and

beanng first and foremost right now and bearing in mind this is a fast moving situation and a complex situation, is to support british nationals and their dependents . nationals and their dependents. well, rosen ahmed , who was well, rosen ahmed, who was fenced— well, rosen ahmed, who was fencecf fe— well, rosen ahmed, who was forced to make— well, rosen ahmed, who was forced to make her own way out of forced to make her own way out ef sulen— forced to make her own way out of sudan, spoke— forced to make her own way out of sudan, spoke to— forced to make her own way out of sudan, spoke to gb news eenlfen— of sudan, spoke to gb news earlier about— of sudan, spoke to gb news earlier about her— of sudan, spoke to gb news earlier about her journey out of the earlier about her journey out of fne ceunfny. — earlier about her journey out of the country. isn't— earlier about her journey out of the country. isn't easy. . the country. isn't easy. it fen-f— the country. isn't easy. it fen-f nefe— the country. isn't easy. it fen-f nefe .— the country. isn't easy. it isn't safe . it's— the country. isn't easy. it isn't safe . it's a- the country. isn't easy. it isn't safe . it's a massive, isn't safe. it's a massive, massive risk to go out on the streets and drive and attempt to move in the midst of war. and it's also not cheap. it's very expensive. so it was a harrowing, harrowing journey . harrowing, harrowing journey. now the mp, andrew bridgen, has told gb news this afternoon he's very disappointed that the conservative party has leaked details of his expulsion. it happened on the 12th- happened on the 12th of april on a recommender_ happened on the 12th of april on a recommender nation from a efccfplfnen— a recommender nation from a disciplinary panel and that's effen— disciplinary panel and that's effen ne— disciplinary panel and that's after he questioned the efficacy of after he questioned the efficacy ef cowe— after he questioned the efficacy ef covln fe— after he questioned the efficacy of covid 19 vaccines in a nefneefee— of covid 19 vaccines in a retweeted comparison of the

government's— retweeted comparison of the government's rollout to the neleceucf. — government's rollout to the holocaust. clinical trials have eneun— holocaust. clinical trials have eneun covln— holocaust. clinical trials have shown covid vaccines are effecffve— shown covid vaccines are effective and _ shown covid vaccines are effective and safe . mr bridgen effective and safe. mr bridgen cele— effective and safe. mr bridgen cell ne— effective and safe. mr bridgen cell ne lull— effective and safe. mr bridgen said he will stand at the next elecffen— said he will stand at the next election and— said he will stand at the next election and he's— said he will stand at the next election and he's hit out at unec— election and he's hit out at unef ne— election and he's hit out at what he calls— election and he's hit out at what he calls corruption and upc fn— what he calls corruption and cover ups in politics. i barely necenfpe— cover ups in politics. i barely recognise the— cover ups in politics. i barely recognise the conservative party at recognise the conservative party ef fne— recognise the conservative party at the moment. _ recognise the conservative party at the moment. wc: at the moment. we seem to have moved away from being a party that legislates for the people to a party that legislates against the people . surely i've against the people. surely i've got the right to free speech, to express the genuine and legitimate concerns of my constituents about the safety and efficacy of experimental vaccines which were never tested properly . the met police properly. the met police commissioner has said the force has not reached its recruitment target, saying they are about 1000 police officers short at the moment. but more than 20,000 new the moment. but more than 20,000 pelfce— the moment. but more than 20,000 new police officers— the moment. but more than 20,000 new police officers have— but more than 20,000 new police officers have been nfnee— new police officers have been nfnecf fn— new police officers have been hired in england— new police officers have been hired in england and wales. enfefn-c— hired in england and wales. britain's biggest police force nfccfnp— britain's biggest police force nfccfnp nc— britain's biggest police force missing its individual target. fne—

missing its individual target. fne enpefnp— missing its individual target. the ongoing recruitment pnepnenne— the ongoing recruitment programme is- the ongoing recruitment programme is costing . about programme is costing. about flee— programme is costing. about £18.5 billion— programme is costing. about £18.5 billion over the next decele— £18.5 billion over the next decade and _ £18.5 billion over the next decade and the prime minister nec— decade and the prime minister nee cele— decade and the prime minister nee cell fnef— decade and the prime minister has said that although progress is has said that although progress fc peel,— has said that although progress fc peel, nnene— has said that although progress is good, more work is needed. mr nenley— is good, more work is needed. mr nenley cupc— is good, more work is needed. mr nenley ceyc fne— is good, more work is needed. mr rowley says the met's shortfall is rowley says the met's shortfall fc penn— rowley says the met's shortfall fc penly fenn— rowley says the met's shortfall is partly down to— rowley says the met's shortfall is partly down to the force's cunenf— is partly down to the force's current reputation . z current reputation. i wish we'd hit current reputation. i wish we'd nff ff— current reputation. i wish we'd nff ff .— current reputation. i wish we'd hit it , but we current reputation. i wish we'd hit it, but we haven't. current reputation. i wish we'd hit it, but we haven't . why hit it, but we haven't. why haven't you? so i think there are a range of there are a range of factors in this and we have recruited over the last three years more than 9000 officers which is the most, i think ever in such a short period. we haven't hit the we haven't hit the target . obviously, we are the target. obviously, we are striving to maintain the quality. that's really important. i think there are factors which include both. i think the reputation of the organisation at the moment doesn't help recruiting international news and the leaders of ukraine and china have held a telephone call for the first time since russia's invasion of ukraine last year. chinese state broadcasters say fnecfeenf— chinese state broadcasters say nnecfeenf xf — chinese state broadcasters say

president xi jinping told veleeynyn— president xi jinping told volodymyr zelenskyy he's pnepenel— volodymyr zelenskyy he's pnepenee fe— volodymyr zelenskyy he's prepared to send special representatives to ukraine to ecen— representatives to ukraine to cfen pence— representatives to ukraine to start peace talks— representatives to ukraine to start peace talks . president xi start peace talks. president xi is start peace talks. president xi fc fne— start peace talks. president xi fc fne necf— start peace talks. president xi is the most powerful world leeeen— is the most powerful world leecfen fe— is the most powerful world leader to have— is the most powerful world leader to have refrained so far fnen— leader to have refrained so far from denouncing— leader to have refrained so far from denouncing russia's fnvcefen— from denouncing russia's invasion, making a state visit to invasion, making a state visit fe nuccfe— invasion, making a state visit fe nuccfe fe— invasion, making a state visit to russia to meet— invasion, making a state visit to russia to meet president funn— to russia to meet president nuffn lucf— to russia to meet president putin just last— to russia to meet president putin just last month. well, unce— putin just last month. well, since february— putin just last month. well, since february ,_ putin just last month. well, since february , he's been since february, he's been pneneffnp— since february, he's been promoting what he calls a 12 pefnf— promoting what he calls a 12 pefnf peace— promoting what he calls a 12 point peace plan— promoting what he calls a 12 point peace plan . meanwhile, the point peace plan. meanwhile, the nuccfen— point peace plan. meanwhile, the russian opposition— point peace plan. meanwhile, the russian opposition leader, alexe— russian opposition leader, alexei navalny , says an alexei navalny, says an investigation - alexei navalny, says an investigation has opened that ceule— investigation has opened that ceulcf cee— investigation has opened that could see him— investigation has opened that could see him serve an extra 30 penne— could see him serve an extra 30 yeenc fn— could see him serve an extra 30 yeenc fn jail- — could see him serve an extra 30 yeenc fn jail- fun— could see him serve an extra 30 years in jail. mr navalny, who's cunnenfly— years in jail. mr navalny, who's currently serving— years in jail. mr navalny, who's currently serving 11.5 years in jail— currently serving 11.5 years in jail ,_ currently serving 11.5 years in jail , fe— currently serving 11.5 years in jail , fc being— currently serving 11.5 years in jail, is being investigated on fenenn— jail, is being investigated on terrorism charges, which he celle— terrorism charges, which he calls absurd. _ terrorism charges, which he calls absurd. he— terrorism charges, which he calls absurd. he survived an assassination— calls absurd. he survived an assassination attempt in 2020 effen— assassination attempt in 2020 effen eefnp— assassination attempt in 2020 after being poisoned , but the after being poisoned, but the nnennn— after being poisoned, but the kremlin denies— after being poisoned, but the kremlin denies any involvement neenf— kremlin denies any involvement neenf e— kremlin denies any involvement meant a man has— kremlin denies any involvement meant a man has been jailed for eccfcffnp— meant a man has been jailed for eccfcffnp nne— meant a man has been jailed for assisting nine year— meant a man has been jailed for assisting nine year old olivia pratt—korbel_ assisting nine year old olivia pratt—korbel murderer, 41 year old pratt—korbel murderer, 41 year ell faul— pratt—korbel murderer, 41 year old paul russell— pratt—korbel murderer, 41 year old paul russell pleaded guilty to old paul russell pleaded guilty fe envfnp— old paul russell pleaded guilty to driving thomas cashmore after

nee— to driving thomas cashmore after ne-l fefelly— to driving thomas cashmore after he'd fatally shot— to driving thomas cashmore after he'd fatally shot the nine year old he'd fatally shot the nine year ell pul— he'd fatally shot the nine year ell pfnl fn— he'd fatally shot the nine year old girl in liverpool last summer. he— old girl in liverpool last summer. he told police in the lepe— summer. he told police in the leyc effen— summer. he told police in the days after olivia's— summer. he told police in the days after olivia's death that cecnnen— days after olivia's death that cashman was— days after olivia's death that cashman was responsible for her nnunene— cashman was responsible for her murder, claiming— cashman was responsible for her murder, claiming he had not been ef— murder, claiming he had not been ef fne— murder, claiming he had not been aware of this when— murder, claiming he had not been aware of this when he helped cecnnen— aware of this when he helped cashman out. _ aware of this when he helped cashman out. he's been sentenced to cashman out. he's been sentenced fe 22— cashman out. he's been sentenced fe zz nenfnc— cashman out. he's been sentenced fe zz nenfnc fn— cashman out. he's been sentenced to 22 months in prison and just lecflu— to 22 months in prison and just lecflu fne— to 22 months in prison and just lecfly, fne nfpn— to 22 months in prison and just lastly, the high court has heard a lastly, the high court has heard e clefn — lastly, the high court has heard e clefn fnef— lastly, the high court has heard a claim that the— lastly, the high court has heard a claim that the king and queen cencen— a claim that the king and queen cencen c— a claim that the king and queen cencen c pnene— a claim that the king and queen consort s phone calls were fnfencepfee— consort s phone calls were intercepted by— consort s phone calls were intercepted by the publisher of the intercepted by the publisher of fne sun— intercepted by the publisher of fne sun fn— intercepted by the publisher of the sun in the— intercepted by the publisher of the sun in the 1990s. the duke of the sun in the 1990s. the duke ef succe— the sun in the 1990s. the duke of sussex made— the sun in the 1990s. the duke of sussex made the allegation in his of sussex made the allegation in nu clefn — of sussex made the allegation in his claim against— of sussex made the allegation in his claim against newsgroup necpepnc— his claim against newsgroup newspapers. he's suing them over unaf— newspapers. he's suing them over unef nec— newspapers. he's suing them over what he's calling— newspapers. he's suing them over what he's calling unlawful information— what he's calling unlawful information gathering. prince nanny-c— information gathering. prince nanny-c lenyenc— information gathering. prince harry's lawyers claim the group nucleu— harry's lawyers claim the group nuclel pnene— harry's lawyers claim the group hacked phone calls, messages and cleaned— hacked phone calls, messages and cleaned pnene— hacked phone calls, messages and obtained phone bills of charles enl— obtained phone bills of charles and cumulu— obtained phone bills of charles and camilla. stories allegedly puplfcnee— and camilla. stories allegedly puplfcnel fn— and camilla. stories allegedly published in the— and camilla. stories allegedly published in the sun. as a neculf— published in the sun. as a neculf, nee— published in the sun. as a result, had the— published in the sun. as a result, had the headlines heir to result, had the headlines heir fe fne— result, had the headlines heir fe fne pnene— result, had the headlines heir to the phone and— result, had the headlines heir to the phone and the midnight cellen— to the phone and the midnight cellen .— to the phone and the midnight cellen . fne— to the phone and the midnight caller. the hearing is to the phone and the midnight caller . the hearing is expected caller. the hearing is expected to caller. the hearing is expected fe ffnfcn— caller. the hearing is expected to finish tomorrow . you're up to to finish tomorrow. you're up to nefe— to finish tomorrow. you're up to lefe en— to finish tomorrow. you're up to lefe en fv— to finish tomorrow. you're up to date on tv online_ to finish tomorrow. you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and

on date on tv online dab+ radio and en fne— date on tv online dab+ radio and en fne fune— date on tv online dab+ radio and en fne fune fn— date on tv online dab+ radio and on the tune in app— date on tv online dab+ radio and on the tune in app here with gb newc— on the tune in app here with gb news. britain's— on the tune in app here with gb news. britain's news . news. britain's news. channel nnennn— news. britain's news. channel l fnennn fen— news. britain's news. channel i thanks for that,- news. britain's news. channel - thanks for that, polly. i thanks for that, polly. well, i'm i'm keeping i'm michel dup and i'm keeping you till you company right through till 7:00 me, alex 7:00 tonight. alongside me, alex dean a political consultant dean is a political consultant and john mcternan is a strategist and a former adviser , advisor tony blair. good , advisor to tony blair. good evening. good evening, gentlemen . welcome back. and you know the drill, don't you, on dewbs& co. it's not just about us three. it's not just about us three. it's very much about you guys at home you get in home tonight. you can get in touch all the usual touch with me all the usual ways. gb views at gb news .uk. or you can tweet me at gb news. shall we get straight in there to our top story tonight, some of the most senior ministers in the government are being accused of the most senior ministers in thloutvernment are being accused of the most senior ministers in thlout right1ent are being accused of the most senior ministers in thlout right racism. being accused of the most senior ministers in thlout right racism. i've1g accused of the most senior ministers in thlout right racism. i've got ccused of the most senior ministers in thlout right racism. i've got t0|sed of out right racism. i've got to be honest . when are they not, be honest. when are they not, quite anyway . but this quite frankly, anyway. but this time it's their language around small boat migrants. the

immigration robert immigration minister, robert jenrick, values and jenrick, says the values and lifestyles of some of those people crossing the channel are a to social cohesion a threat to social cohesion within this country . arnie within this country. arnie meanwhile, home secretary suella braverman has backed those remarks basically and said that indeed some illegal migrants have values at odds with her own and suggest that they were connected to heightened levels of criminality outright urged. i'll tell you, some people are absolutely outraged. are you one of them, alex? no, i'm not. i fnfnl— of them, alex? no, i'm not. i fnfnl fne— of them, alex? no, i'm not. i think the days— of them, alex? no, i'm not. i think the days when- pix? no, i'm not. i think the days when political eppenenfc— think the days when political opponents could— think the days when political opponents could say to somebody, yeune— opponents could say to somebody, yeune necfcf— opponents could say to somebody, you're racist and— opponents could say to somebody, you're racist and that all meant fnef— you're racist and that all meant fnef fney— you're racist and that all meant fnef fney wen— you're racist and that all meant that they won the _ you're racist and that all meant that they won the debate, unefeven— that they won the debate, whatever it— that they won the debate, whatever it was that had been cell,— whatever it was that had been cell, ene— whatever it was that had been cell, leng— whatever it was that had been said, are long past that trope is exhausted. _ said, are long past that trope is exhausted. people have seen fnneupn— is exhausted. people have seen fnneupn ff— is exhausted. people have seen fnneupn ff .— is exhausted. people have seen through it . and— is exhausted. people have seen through it . and people actually through it. and people actually try fe— through it. and people actually try to evaluate— through it. and people actually try to evaluate for— through it. and people actually try to evaluate for themselves nnefnen— try to evaluate for themselves unefnen en— try to evaluate for themselves whether or not— try to evaluate for themselves whether or not the thing that's been — whether or not the thing that's been cele— whether or not the thing that's been cell fe— whether or not the thing that's been said is offensive racist been said is offensive or racist or been said is offensive or racist enf-n— been said is offensive or racist enf-n fne— been said is offensive or racist or in this example, you or not. and in this example, you fnfnl— or not. and in this example, you fnfnl-ene— or not. and in this example, you fnfnl-ene paving- think about it, are paying peeple— think about it, are paying people smugglers thousands of peunlc—fe- people smugglers thousands of pounds _to british. pounds is contrary to british veclue— pounds is contrary to british values coming— pounds is contrary to british values coming to a country uffneuf— values coming to a country without the— values coming to a country without the permission of that ceunfny. — without the permission of that ceunfny. affen— without the permission of that country. after all,— without the permission of that country. after all, we should eecfle— country. after all, we should eecfee nne— country. after all, we should decide who comes to this country ene— decide who comes to this country

and fne— decide who comes to this country and the manner— decide who comes to this country and the manner in— decide who comes to this country and the manner in which they enl— and the manner in which they come and the— and the manner in which they come and the extent to which cenepely— come and the extent to which somebody differently to somebody thinks differently to fnen— somebody thinks differently to fnef, l— somebody thinks differently to fnef, l cuppecl— somebody thinks differently to that, i suggest, an that, i suggest, is not an elecffen— that, i suggest, is not an. election-proposition election winning proposition is cenfnenp—fnfcl contrary to the values of this ceunfn— contrary to the values of this ceunfny-punpfnp- contrary to the values of this country jumping queue country and jumping the queue is pnefeunlly— country and jumping the queue is profoundly contrary to the veclue— profoundly contrary to the veclue ef— profoundly contrary to the values of this— profoundly contrary to the values of this country. so, you knew,— values of this country. so, you knell l— values of this country. so, you knell l fen-f— values of this country. so, you know, i don't think they are necfcf. — know, i don't think they are necfcf. l— know, i don't think they are racist. i don't— know, i don't think they are racist. i don't think even think fnef— racist. i don't think even think me fney— racist. i don't think even think that they .wrong- racist. i don't think even think that they wrong in the that they are wrong in the clfpnfecf— that they are wrong in the slightest-point- that they are wrong in the slightest point this slightest to point this out. i fnfnl— slightest to point this out. i think they're— slightest to point this out. i think they're saying absolutely unaf— think they're saying absolutely unef—fnfnl- what their electors think. and i'll what their electors think. and l-ll-funnen— what their electors think. and i'll further suella i'll go one further suella braverman— i'll go one further suella braverman this braverman didn't just say this epeuf—sne- braverman didn't just say this about—she also. braverman didn't just say this. about—she also said about small boats. she also said it about small boats. she also said ff eeeuf— about small boats. she also said ff eeeuf fne— about small boats. she also said it about the systematic unwillingness to point out the epvfeuc— unwillingness to point out the obvious connection between peeple— obvious connection between peeple epucfnp— obvious connection between people abusing children in rings in people abusing children in rings fn fenne— people abusing children in rings in towns around— people abusing children in rings in towns around england who all had in towns around england who all nee fne— in towns around england who all nee fne cune— in towns around england who all had the same heritage and peclpneune— had the same heritage and background and said that facts ene— background and said that facts and fnufn— background and said that facts and truth can't— background and said that facts and truth can't be racist . and truth can't be racist. johnn— and truth can't be racist. jenn. youn— and truth can't be racist. john, your thoughts- and truth can't be racist. flip” ” d generic and truth can't be racist. - john, your thoughts . generic is john, your thoughts. generic is it's not a dog whistle,- john, your thoughts. generic is it's not a dog whistle, is- 3 generic is it's not a dog whistle, is it ? it's not a dog whistle, is it? lf-c— it's not a dog whistle, is it? lf-c lfle— it's not a dog whistle, is it? lf-c lfle e— it's not a dog whistle, is it? it's like a foghorn shouting at the it's like a foghorn shouting at fne nnffcn— it's like a foghorn shouting at the british electors to say, are you— the british electors to say, are yeu necfcf— the british electors to say, are yeu necfcf f— the british electors to say, are you racist ? come— the british electors to say, are you racist? come and the british electors to say, are you racist ? come and vote for the british electors to say, are you racist? come and vote for us in you racist? come and vote for us fn fne— you racist? come and vote for us fn fne lecel— you racist? come and vote for us in the local elections. it's an ecf— in the local elections. it's an ecf ef— in the local elections. it's an act of desperation to use the nnefenc— act of desperation to use the nnefenc ef— act of desperation to use the rhetoric of the _ act of desperation to use the rhetoric of the edl and bring it in rhetoric of the edl and bring it n fe— rhetoric of the edl and bring it n fe e— rhetoric of the edl and bring it in to a ministerial— rhetoric of the edl and bring it in to a ministerial speech, a

cpeecn— in to a ministerial speech, a cpeecn fnef— in to a ministerial speech, a speech that must have been eppnevel— speech that must have been eppnevee ef— speech that must have been eppnevee ef ey— speech that must have been approved of by suella braverman . fnene— approved of by suella braverman . fnene nucf— approved of by suella braverman . there must have— approved of by suella braverman . there must have been signed off . there must have been signed eff ey— . there must have been signed eff pp uunpen— . there must have been signed off by number 10.— . there must have been signed off by number 10. so this rants ene— off by number 10. so this rants and necfcf— off by number 10. so this rants and racist language . what's the and racist language. what's the language— and racist language. what's the language fc— and racist language. what's the language is rancid and racist. flee-c— language is rancid and racist. fnef-c feen— language is rancid and racist. that's been said— language is rancid and racist. that's been said . so- language is rancid and racist. that's been said . so to- language is rancid and racist. " so to say language is rancid and racist. " 2 so to say that that's been said. so to say that the that's been said. so to say that fne veluec— that's been said. so to say that the values and— that's been said. so to say that the values and the— " 2 so to say that the values and the lifestyle of a the values and the lifestyle of e cueenece— the values and the lifestyle of a sudanese child— the values and the lifestyle of a sudanese child trying to come to a sudanese child trying to come fe nnfefn— a sudanese child trying to come fe enfefn fe— a sudanese child trying to come to britain to escape the civil fc— to britain to escape the civil fc nef— to britain to escape the civil war is not british. but you say fnef— war is not british. but you say fnef yeue— war is not british. but you say that you're deliberately or deliberately _ that you're deliberately or deliberately picking out sueenece— deliberately picking out sudanese child because i mean , sudanese child because i mean, the sudanese child because i mean, fne nunnene— sudanese child because i mean, fne nunnenp ef— sudanese child because i mean, the number of sudanese children fnef— the number of sudanese children fnef ene— the number of sudanese children that are making— the number of sudanese children that are making those channel cnfeccncp— that are making those channel crossings will— that are making those channel crossings will be— that are making those channel crossings will be minimal, if any— crossings will be minimal, if uny- — crossings will be minimal, if any. fenen— crossings will be minimal, if any . robert jenrick- crossings will be minimal, if any . t m crossings will be minimal, if any . any. robert jenrick very small robert jenrick is saying foreigner ours who are mainly people of colour who are choosing to come to britain because they love our country, which is the most british value of all. they love our respect fen— of all. they love our respect for freedom. _ of all. they love our respect for freedom. why— they love our respect for freedom. why would they love a for freedom. why would they love u ceunfny— for freedom. why would they love u ceunfny ff— for freedom. why would they love u ceunfny ff ff— for freedom. why would they love a country if it was— for freedom. why would they love a country if it was rancid and necfcff— a country if it was rancid and necfcff ue— a country if it was rancid and racist? no it's— a country if it was rancid and racist? no it's the— a country if it was rancid and racist? no it's the rancid and necfcf— racist? no it's the rancid and racist government we've got with the racist government we've got with fne nencfcf — racist government we've got with the rancid .racist_ racist government we've got with the rancid racist language. the rancid and racist language. fnene-c— the rancid and racist language.| fnene-c—fnfc there's nothing wrong with this ceunfn—nl- there's nothing wrong with this ceunfny—ne efl country they're getting rid of the _wouldn't. country they're getting rid of. the _wouldn't make the government. wouldn't make eeffen. — the government. wouldn't make eeffen. flee-c— the government. wouldn't make better. : better. that's extraordinary to me all you me because first of all you deliberately the fact deliberately elide over the fact he said some to choose the

person you think is the person that you think is the most attractive for your case. the sudanese child had the sudanese sudanese child had robert forgive he robert jenrick forgive me, he didn't some. he didn't give some. he did. he said did. he said he said some. he did. he said he said some. he did. he said he said some. he did. he said he said some people. had he said some people. and had he said some people. and had he said sudanese children said the sudanese children trying to this country trying to come to this country are whatever , as are abominable or whatever, as you just suggested he did. i would be on side, but more would be on your side, but more . no, we don't meant the black and brown. no, we don't. and and brown. no, no, we don't. and that what meant about this that is what i meant about this tired trope and some people tired trope. and some people still think that something if you threw somebody the 90s, you threw somebody in the 90s, if working for blair if you're working for blair and you it somebody, it you threw it at somebody, it probably work. you're probably would work. you're a racist. ha. i win. it's not racist. ha ha. i win. it's not not true anymore. people will think and listen to think about it and listen to you. it's not racism. and the amazing thing is you've gone from twisting said about from twisting what he said about an painting an individual to painting an entire racist and entire government as racist and racist speech. people see through john. not through this, john. it's not going anymore. no, no. going to work anymore. no, no. if if you you going to work anymore. no, no. if-if you .you want- going to work anymore. no, no. if-if you .you want to - if you if you if you want to enne— if you if you if you want to lung fne— if you if you if you want to bring the national the former neffenel— bring the national the former national front,— bring the national the former national front, the old bnp and edl national front, the old bnp and eel-fnepnenfc- national front, the old bnp and edl-fragmentslonl edl vote, the fragments of on fne— edl vote, the fragments of on fne en— edl vote, the fragments of on fne en fne— edl vote, the fragments of on the on the far— edl vote, the fragments of on the on the far right of british pelfffcc— the on the far right of british pelfffcc fe — the on the far right of british politics to support the tory party—go- politics to support the tory party—go fen| politics to support the tory. party—go for all party be my guest. go for all neney — party be my guest. go for all neney nuf— party be my guest. go for all money. but this— party be my guest. go for all money. but this is this this

nne— money. but this is this this lfnl ef— money. but this is this this kind of language is hated by enennn— kind of language is hated by ordinary people. ordinary british people. you knew.— ordinary british people. you knell-sees— ordinary british people. you know,-sees through- ordinary british people. you know,-sees through it. ordinary british people. you know, sees through it the know, who sees through it the most? amazing. ordinary most? that's amazing. ordinary british working most? that's amazing. ordinary britisteople working most? that's amazing. ordinary britisteople in working most? that's amazing. ordinary britisteople in vcountry who class people in this country who look who look, know look at look who who look, know who want to. yes, of course. and they're very often the people who biggest question who have the biggest question over immigration over illegal immigration are those generation who those in the last generation who came lawfully see came here lawfully and see people queue. people jumping the queue. refugees. about concern refugees. it's not about concern about migration is cannot be illegal . yes, of course they illegal. yes, of course they can. yes of course they can. those whose claims are found to be false, those whose claims obligations, those whose claims are be false and have are found to be false and have paid people's smugglers to come here the very worst paid people's smugglers to come here of the very worst paid people's smugglers to come here of people the very worst paid people's smugglers to come here of people whoe very worst paid people's smugglers to come here of people who ignore worst paid people's smugglers to come here of people who ignore anyt sorts of people who ignore any form process and try to form of due process and try to come here through people come here through through people smugglers . but that's where smugglers. but that's where you're the extent you're wrong. and the extent this is the farce of your position, which a mockery position, which makes a mockery of law , is the of international law, is the belief people hang belief that people who pay hang on, people who pay across to come across an entire continent to uk, you're to come to the uk, you're supposed pretend they're to come to the uk, you're suppfleeing pretend they're to come to the uk, you're suppfleeing danger. they're to come to the uk, you're suppfleeing danger. absurd and still fleeing danger. absurd and the extent to which international suspends your international law suspends your protects your position, it's wrong international law does

wrong to international law does protect my position because there no such thing as an there is no such thing as an illegal refugee. so where does the illegal refugee. so where does fne npnf— illegal refugee. so where does fne npnf fe— illegal refugee. so where does the right to come— illegal refugee. so where does the right to come to- g ”liflfgznz; so where does the right to come to our country ene— the right to come to our country ene-cefefy— the right to come to our country and-safety here?- the right to come to our country and safety here? we and apply for safety here? we fene— and apply for safety here? we fele cucn— and apply for safety here? we fele cucn e— and apply for safety here? we take such a small number of nefupeec— take such a small number of refugees across— take such a small number of refugees across the whole of the uncle — refugees across the whole of the uncle ef— refugees across the whole of the whole of europe,— refugees across the whole of the whole of europe, let alone the uncle— whole of europe, let alone the uncle-neue. - whole of europe, let alone the whole world. there are whole of the world. there are fnene— whole of the world. there are there-millions— whole of the world. there are there millions and millions there are millions and millions of there are millions and millions ef-elnecf— there are millions and millions of-almost all- there are millions and millions of-almost all of- there are millions and millions of almost all of whom of refugees, almost all of whom fue— of refugees, almost all of whom lfve clece— of refugees, almost all of whom lfve clece fe— of refugees, almost all of whom live close to their— of refugees, almost all of whom live close to their own country pecuce— live close to their own country peceuce-nepe— live close to their own country because hope back because they hope to go back fnene.— because they hope to go back fnene-peeple— because they hope to go back there. people who want to there. the people who want to come _come fori come to our country come for neele— come to our country come for noble-because- come to our country come for noble because they noble reasons because they necpecf—eun- noble reasons because they- respect_our country. respect our values, our country. lee-c— respect our values, our country. lee-c uuecffen— respect our values, our country. let's question, let's— respect our values, our country. let's question, let's question respect our values, our country. let'sassertion of noble reasons that assertion of noble reasons . with you. we should . i agree with you. we should take agree with you take more. and i agree with you that should have more open that we should have more open routes so that people can apply. you are openly supportive of people smugglers people paying people smugglers to entire to come across an entire continent still pretend continent and still pretend they're they're they're desperate. no, they're not desperate. they were desperate. a desperate. they'd apply in a country they got to the country before they got to the channel country before they got to the channel, wouldn't they? because they're desperate.— channel, wouldn't they? because they're desperate. -paid. . they're desperate. they're paid. fney-ne— they're desperate. they're paid.| fney-ne—fnen they're desperate to come from nence— they're desperate to come from nnence fe— they're desperate to come from france to rejoin— they're desperate to come from france to rejoin their family they're desperate to come from france to |why their family they're desperate to come from france to |why isn'tr family they're desperate to come from france to |why isn't france? members. why isn't france? fnef-c— members. why isn't france? that's preference.— members. why isn't france? that's preference. that's- that's preference. that's preference, desperation preference, not desperation. why, desperate, if why, if they're desperate, if they're as you they're so desperate, as you say, why they in say, why don't they apply in france? i would love every single be single asylum seeker to be processed to be able processed in france to be able

to apply to a british, to british home office representatives in france us be properly be properly dealt with there and then be brought to britain. you haven't sorry, you neven-f— britain. you haven't sorry, you haven't answered— " you haven't sorry, you haven't answered john. why yeune— haven't answered john. why yeune nef— haven't answered john. why you're not answering this puecffen. — you're not answering this question. if— you're not answering this question. �*" ”cl : question. if they're desperate, why don't they apply to the french? same reason we don't lfve— french? same reason we don't lfve fn— french? same reason we don't lfve fn nnence — french? same reason we don't live in france. they— ”cy"? same reason we don't live in france. they like ”lift7 same reason we don't live in france. they like the un. — live in france. they like the uk.-preference,- live in france. they like the uk. preference, not uk. that's a preference, not eecpeneffen.— uk. that's a preference, not desperation. i— uk. that's a preference, not desperation. i love the uk and i fnfnl— desperation. i love the uk and i fnfnl ff-c— desperation. i love the uk and i think it's really— desperation. i love the uk and i think it's really strange. /:::. think it's really strange. you ellfeu— think it's really strange. you allied constantly— think it's really strange. you allied constantly between desperation preference , a desperation and preference, a tory who are meant to tory government who are meant to love our country, have contempt for who express the for people who express the deepest love for our country you could do . i'll give one could ever do. i'll give you one more go, it's very obvious more go, john. it's very obvious you're unwilling answer you're unwilling to answer because deliberately you're unwilling to answer because over deliberately you're unwilling to answer because over betweeneliberately crossing over between desperation, which is what you use defend your and use to defend your position and preference , which is what you preference, which is what you switch to. i ask you about switch to. when i ask you about the desperation, if they're desperation, if they're desperate, apply desperate, why don't they apply for france? people for asylum in france? people want come for asylum in france? people want-come here- for asylum in france? people want-come here from - want to come here from afghanistan,— want to come here from afghanistan, iraq. want to come here from- afghanistan,-iraq. isn't afghanistan, from iraq. isn't nence— afghanistan, from iraq. isn't nnence cefe— afghanistan, from iraq. isn't france safe on _ afghanistan, from iraq. isn't france safe on from - afghanistan, from iraq. isn't france safe on from sudan ? france safe on from sudan? they'll be coming and they want to they'll be coming and they want fe cee— they'll be coming and they want fe nene. — they'll be coming and they want to come here. and— they'll be coming and they want to come here. and somaliland and cenelfe—

to come here. and somaliland and senelfe .— to come here. and somaliland and senelfe . ane— to come here. and somaliland and somalia . and it's— to come here. and somaliland and somalia . and it's because the somalia. and it's because the nnffcn— somalia. and it's because the british empire— somalia. and it's because the british empire went to those ceunncec— british empire went to those countries and— british empire went to those countries and some of the people eve-ne— countries and some of the people ue-ne nef— countries and some of the people who've not been— countries and some of the people who've not been able to come to come from afghanistan are cenecl— come from afghanistan are cenecl eun— come from afghanistan are served. our country as security, as served. our country as security, ec fnenclefenc. — served. our country as security, as translators. they were epenlen— as translators. they were epeneen .— as translators. they were abandon . and- as translators. they were abandon . and we brought this abandon. and we brought this pevennnenf— abandon. and we brought this government preferred to get pets , cefc— government preferred to get pets , cefc enl— government preferred to get pets , cefc ene leec— government preferred to get pets , cats and dogs out— government preferred to get pets , cats and dogs out of afghanistan- , cats and dogs out of afghanistan rather than people nne-cf— afghanistan rather than people nne-unencu— afghanistan rather than people who'd worked for— afghanistan rather than people who'd worked for us, worked with fnef-c— who'd worked for us, worked with fnef-c e— who'd worked for us, worked with us. that's a very— who'd worked for us, worked with us. that's a very strong- who'd worked for us, worked with us. that's a very strong moral argument for accepting more refugees. and you know what? i said we should take more people from afghanistan. but if people are to this country are coming to this country across our country across the channel, our country went to theirs, why don't they apply they're as apply with they're desperate, as you apply you say. why don't they apply for asylum in france? what's wrong france? what's wrong wrong with france? what's wrong nnn— wrong with france? what's wrong nffn-lf-c— wrong with france? what's wrong with - it's-britain. - with france? it's not britain. i ueulen-f— with france? it's not britain. i. wouldn't—france. wouldn't want to live in france. i wouldn't want to live in france. l-fe— wouldn't want to live in france. he lfve— wouldn't want to live in france. he lfve fn— wouldn't want to live in france. i-to live in britain.- i want to live in britain. enfefn— i want to live in britain. enfefn fc— i want to live in britain. britain is the- i want to live in britain. britain is the greatest country in britain is the greatest country fn-epen— britain is the greatest country fn-epen fnen - britain is the greatest country in -apart from the l in the world apart from the pevennnenf— in the world apart from the government it's— in the world apart from the government it's got. cl?" government it's got. can i just unfl— government it's got. can i just drill down on this notion that bnng drill down on this notion that bring back this point bring it back to this point about what you about racism? because what you were saying earlier on is were just saying earlier on is that you feel like this narrative a foghorn. it's not narrative is a foghorn. it's not douglas. foghorn. it's douglas. it's foghorn. and it's basically us

basically devised to turn us around against black and brown people. how people. your words. but how does that then, us having that fit then, with us having a brown skinned prime minister brown skinned prime minister brown home secretary , brown skinned home secretary, how fit with what how does that fit with what you're telling these you're telling me that these brown leaders want to turn me as a white person against brown people? you've got a government fnef— people? you've got a government fnef fne— people? you've got a government fnef fne ven— people? you've got a government that the very the _ people? you've got a government that the very the very— 7 you've got a government that the very the very white, fne— that the very the very white, fne nnffe — that the very the very white, the white bread— that the very the very white, the white bread robert jenrick nne— the white bread robert jenrick nne neue— the white bread robert jenrick who made this— the white bread robert jenrick who made this speech. i'm not eclfnp— who made this speech. i'm not eclfnp yeu— who made this speech. i'm not asking you about— who made this speech. i'm not asking you about robert jenrick. i'm asking you about robert jenrick. l-nf eclfnp — asking you about robert jenrick. i'm asking. you're— asking you about robert jenrick. i'm asking. you're saying- asking you about robert jenrick. i'm asking. you're saying the government is racist, so i'm asking you. of course this pevennnenf— asking you. of course this government is— lg of course this government is racist the way the way— government is racist the way the way fnef— government is racist the way the way fnef fney-ne — government is racist the way the way that they're trying to fney-ne— way that they're trying to they're trying— way that they're trying to- they're trying - miserable they're trying to make miserable peeple,— they're trying to make miserable peeple-peeple,- they're trying to make miserable people, people, even people, desperate people, even so, people, desperate people, even suelle— people, desperate people, even so, suella braverman it the most llvence— so, suella braverman it the most diverse cabinet— so, suella braverman it the most diverse cabinet lady she married to diverse cabinet lady she married fe e— diverse cabinet lady she married fe e jewi5h_ diverse cabinet lady she married to a jewish person.— diverse cabinet lady she married to a jewish person. /:::. ”cl to a jewish person. you're saying— to a jewish person. you're saying that these remarks that she makes as an ethnic minority is devised to turn white people against brown and black people ? against brown and black people? it's a racist foghorn to use immigration.— it's a racist foghorn to use immigration. how do you square fnef— immigration. how do you square fnef cfncle— immigration. how do you square that circle, though, that this pece— that circle, though, that this person herself— that circle, though, that this person herself is a brown lady?

necuce— person herself is a brown lady? necuce fnfc— person herself is a brown lady? because this government are so unpepulen— because this government are so unpepulen ene— because this government are so unpepulen ene ce— because this government are so unpopular and so desperate to cune— unpopular and so desperate to clfnp fe— unpopular and so desperate to clfnp fe penen— unpopular and so desperate to clfnp fe penen .— unpopular and so desperate to cling to power , they will do cling to power, they will do enyfnfnp. — cling to power, they will do enyfnfnp. ane— cling to power, they will do anything. and what they've seen fnen— anything. and what they've seen fnen fne— anything. and what they've seen from the focus— anything. and what they've seen from the focus groups, clearly fnen— from the focus groups, clearly fnen fne— from the focus groups, clearly from the focus— from the focus groups, clearly from the focus groups, clearly from the focus groups, is that fne— from the focus groups, is that fne enl— from the focus groups, is that the edl supporters and the bnp cuppenenc— the edl supporters and the bnp cuppenenc lull— the edl supporters and the bnp supporters will vote conservative lviv if they hear fnfc— conservative lviv if they hear fnfc lenpuepe— conservative lviv if they hear this language, do you they this language, do you think they fen-ff— this language, do you think they don't?_believe- this language, do you think they don't? believe either don't? they don't believe either the don't? they don't believe either fne-nfnfcfen— don't? they don't believe either the-minister and- don't? they don't believe either the minister and the home the prime minister and the home secnefeny— the prime minister and the home secnefenylnef— the prime minister and the home secretary-not for— the prime minister and the home secretary not for one second secretary do not for one second pelfeve— secretary do not for one second believe they're _ secretary do not for one second believe they're -to - secretary do not for one second believe they're to do believe they're going to do fnfc— believe they're going to do fnfc-fney— believe they're going to do this,-they were - believe they're going to do this, they were going to this, but if they were going to do this, but if they were going to ee-fney-ne- this, but if they were going to do -they're saying. this, but if they were going to do they're saying is do this, what they're saying is if do this, what they're saying is ff—cnfll- if you come as a child unaccompanied to our country, seco— unaccompanied to our country, fece-yen- unaccompanied to our country, fece-yen .- unaccompanied to our country, 5000 -year . those. unaccompanied to our country,- 5000-year . those 5000 5000 came last year. those 5000 cnflenen— 5000 came last year. those 5000 cnfllnen lull— 5000 came last year. those 5000 children will be _ 5000 came last year. those 5000 children will be put— 5000 came last year. those 5000 children will be put behind a une— children will be put behind a unfl— children will be put behind a wire until they're adults detained. _ wire until they're adults detained. and- wire “m“ thell're adults detained. , 3 wire until they're adults detained. ' 0 030 03 wire until they're adults detained. 0 030 03 wire until they're adults- detained. and i'm going to john, you made that made the point let me adults they'll be thrown out of the country that is the thing that's destroying our values. there comes a time when you have to look at somebody and say, i can see that you think you have morality on your side and therefore whatever therefore you can say whatever you people. you can you like about people. you can call racist, you smear call them racist, you can smear them. say, because they them. you can say, because they are you're so tolerant, are wrong. you're so tolerant, you can no longer tolerate another perspective. get that. another perspective. i get that.

but i think wrong, but another perspective. i get that. bunderstand 1ink wrong, but another perspective. i get that. bunderstand when wrong, but another perspective. i get that. bunderstand when yourong, but another perspective. i get that. bunderstand when you look but another perspective. i get that. bunderstand when you look att i understand when you look at a government you see it made government and you see it made up of rishi sunak cleverly up of rishi sunak james cleverly kim suella kim rye badenoch suella braverman that braverman and say, look at that bunch racists , the most bunch of racists, the most diverse in history. it diverse cabinet in history. it takes a truly perverse perspective , distorted by that perspective, distorted by that sense of absolute moral righteousness to think that you're right, i judge people by their words and by their actions and the actions of the immigration system are both incompetent, vile. incompetent, racist and vile. but the words that say but the words the words that say fnef— but the words the words that say fnef nnenn— but the words the words that say that brown and— but the words the words that say that brown and black people cenfne— that brown and black people cenfnp fe— that brown and black people coming to our— that brown and black people coming to our country arnie fnece— coming to our country arnie fnece ee— coming to our country arnie fnece yeun— coming to our country arnie those are your words. not no, nef— those are your words. not no, are not threatening our values enl— are not threatening our values and lifestyles. _ are not threatening our values and lifestyles. it— are not threatening our values and lifestyles. e 0 0 " e and lifestyles. it didn't say brown and black people, of course, they will have meant as much. the lawbreaking albanians coming while is coming here while albania is safe, say brown and black. he doesn't but you doesn't need to say. but you knew— doesn't need to say. but you knew really, didn't you? i mean, honestly, the absolute arbiter of what people say we should have on every have you on after every interview explain they're interview to explain why they're bigoted i would bigoted and racist. i would be an ridiculous. the an excellent ridiculous. the government, one of- 0" f 0 0 f the government, one of the things fnec— government, one of the things fnefllfclfle— government, one of the things that dislike whole that i dislike about this whole nne— that i dislike about this whole kind—everything. that i dislike about this whole kind everything as kind of labelling everything as necfcf— kind of labelling everything as necfcf enly— kind of labelling everything as racist only racist— kind of labelling everything as racist only racist things that

lepel— racist only racist things that label racist— racist only racist things that label racist because no, it's it nenfnec— label racist because no, it's it nenfnlc ne— label racist because no, it's it reminds me of— label racist because no, it's it reminds me of the whole brexit ceenvncefenf— reminds me of the whole brexit conversation where there was a lot conversation where there was a lef ef— conversation where there was a lef ef peeple,— conversation where there was a lot of people, particularly in uenlfnp— lot of people, particularly in working class— lot of people, particularly in working class communities, the cennunffy— working class communities, the same community communities that are same community communities that ene-fnece— same community communities that ene-fnece vecf— same community communities that are-these vast kind- same community communities that are these vast kind of are having these vast kind of nfpnenf— are having these vast kind of migrant placements , among them . migrant placements, among them. it's migrant placements, among them. lf-c fnece— migrant placements, among them. lf-c fnece nne— migrant placements, among them. it's those kind of— migrant placements, among them. it's those kind of people that are it's those kind of people that cffffne— it's those kind of people that are sitting there— it's those kind of people that are sitting there going, hang on are sitting there going, hang on a sec, we're small— are sitting there going, hang on a sec, we're small towns, small vfllepec— a sec, we're small towns, small villages, whatever. _ a sec, we're small towns, small villages, whatever. we're cullenly— villages, whatever. we're suddenly having hundreds and nunlneec— suddenly having hundreds and hundreds-placed- hundreds of people placed into our-area. their- hundreds of people placed into our area. their concern our local area. their concern eeeuf— our local area. their concern about integration, all the rest of about integration, all the rest eflceuce— about integration, all the rest oflcause those— about integration, all the rest of cause those concerns. of it cause those concerns. necfcf— of it cause those concerns. necfcf fen— of it cause those concerns. racist for me— of it cause those concerns. racist for me echoes back to the cnenf— racist for me echoes back to the brexit conversation,— racist for me echoes back to the brexit conversation, where peeple— brexit conversation, where peeple fnef— brexit conversation, where people that wanted to leave the lunepeen— people that wanted to leave the european union— people that wanted to leave the european union and have cevenefpnfy— european union and have sovereignty from westminster as eppecee— sovereignty from westminster as eppecel fe— sovereignty from westminster as opposed to brussels , that was opposed to brussels, that was celled— opposed to brussels, that was called racist— opposed to brussels, that was called racist as— opposed to brussels, that was called racist as well. so isn't it called racist as well. so isn't ff iucf— called racist as well. so isn't ff pucf fne— called racist as well. so isn't it just the case— called racist as well. so isn't it just the case that actually if it just the case that actually ff yeu— it just the case that actually ff yeu fen-f— it just the case that actually if you don't like— it just the case that actually if you don't like the policy, ff-c— if you don't like the policy, ff-c iucf— if you don't like the policy, ff-c pucf fne— if you don't like the policy, it's just the quick and easy way enl— it's just the quick and easy way ene elnecf— it's just the quick and easy way and almost as— it's just the quick and easy way and almost as an— it's just the quick and easy way and almost as an attempt to cflence— and almost as an attempt to silence conversation because any lecenf— silence conversation because any neccnc-pencen— silence conversation because any decent person doesn't decent minded person doesn't nene— decent minded person doesn't uenf fe— decent minded person doesn't uenf fe pe— decent minded person doesn't want to be called— decent minded person doesn't want to be called a racist , decent minded person doesn't want to be called a racist, is a neccn— want to be called a racist, is a necfcf, fc— want to be called a racist, is a necfcf, fc en— want to be called a racist, is a racist, is an awful— want to be called a racist, is a racist, is an awful thing. most peeple— racist, is an awful thing. most peeple ee— racist, is an awful thing. most peeple nef— racist, is an awful thing. most people are not racist. so when you— people are not racist. so when yeu cfen— people are not racist. so when you start pointing— people are not racist. so when you start pointing fingers, saying— you start pointing fingers, ceyfnp yeu— you start pointing fingers, saying you racist, you racist, you—

saying you racist, you racist, yeu neccn— saying you racist, you racist, yeu necfcf, pec— saying you racist, you racist, yeu necfcf, yec l— saying you racist, you racist, you racist, yes, i would put it to you racist, yes, i would put it fe-fnef— you racist, yes, i would put it fe-fnef e— you racist, yes, i would put it fe-fnef eief- you racist, yes, i would put it to that a of people do. to you that a lot of people do. solordef_ to you that a lot of people do. solordef fe— to you that a lot of people do. solorder to silence- to you that a lot of people do. so order to silence that so in order to silence that epfnfen— so in order to silence that. epfnfen—fney so in order to silence that- epfnfen—fney iucf opinion simply because they just do opinion simply because they just ee-ff. — opinion simply because they just ee-ff. ff— opinion simply because they just ee-ff. lf ff— opinion simply because they just ee-ff. lf ff ff— opinion simply because they just do-it. if it if it's- do not like it. if it if it's racist, i'll call it out for being racist. this government is racist. their immigration policy is think brexit is racist. do you think brexit is racist. do you think brexit is the going is racist? the bill going through? think some of the through? i think some of the people supported were people who supported brexit were racist. don't. racist. of course i don't. i think brexit was a choice. it was the wrong choice. it was a stupid choice. and have you wondered crossover on wondered about the crossover on the between things the venn diagram between things that racist and with that are racist and things with which john mcternan disagrees? yeah, have ever yeah, this is. have you ever penlenee— yeah, this is. have you ever pondered a pondered that? no, he's got a peel— pondered that? no, he's got a peel puecffen— pondered that? no, he's got a good question. well, i'll tell you— good question. well, i'll tell yeu unec— good question. well, i'll tell yeu nnef, ff-c— good question. well, i'll tell you what, it's a— good question. well, i'll tell you what, it's a pretty big pull-c— you what, it's a pretty big bull's-middle] you what, it's a pretty big. bull's-middle. i'll bull's eye in the middle. i'll elve— bull's eye in the middle. i'll pfve yeu— bull's eye in the middle. i'll pfve yeu e— bull's eye in the middle. i'll give you a couple of minutes to penden— give you a couple of minutes to peneenlfnen— give you a couple of minutes to penlenlfnen ff— give you a couple of minutes to ponderlthen if you - give you a couple of minutes to ponder then if you want. what ponder it then if you want. what do ponder it then if you want. what ee—ell— ponder it then if you want. what le—ell fnfc- ponder it then if you want. what do_all this at- ponder it then if you want. whati do_all this at home? do you make to all this at home? do do you make to all this at home? lee yeu— do you make to all this at home? lee you-with— do you make to all this at home? do you-with some- do you make to all this at home? do you -with some of- do you make to all this at home? do you with some of the do you agree with some of the cfefenenfc— do you agree with some of the statements .the - do you agree with some of the statements the likes statements that the likes of sevflle — statements that the likes of sevilla have— statements that the likes of sevilla have been making, or do you sevilla have been making, or do yeu cep— sevilla have been making, or do yeu cey ee— sevilla have been making, or do yeu cey yeu— sevilla have been making, or do you say are you more in john's cenp— you say are you more in john's cenp-cecl— you say are you more in john's camp-god, what- you say are you more in john's camp-god, what a. camp and think god, what a necfcf— camp and think god, what a necfcf-ef— camp and think god, what a racist of so—and—so's or racist bunch of so—and—so's or full— racist bunch of so—and—so's or full ceunfne— racist bunch of so—and—so's or full country? this— racist bunch of so—and—so's or full country? this is that eeeneny— full country? this is that everyone desperately everyone so desperately seems to? well, it's the awful government _ to? well, it's the awful government seeing government that you're seeing necfcf— government that you're seeing racist government that presides government that you're seeing racis'the vernment that presides government that you're seeing racis'the countryit that presides government that you're seeing racis'the country that it presides government that you're seeing racis'the country that it pithese; over the country that all these peeple—nenffnel over the country that all these people wanting to over the country that all these . people _wanting to get people seem to be wanting to get into people seem to be wanting to get fnfe enyneu— people seem to be wanting to get fnfe enyuey, yeun— people seem to be wanting to get

into anyway, your thoughts? keep fnen — into anyway, your thoughts? keep fnen -fn.— them coming in. vaiews@gbnews.uk. i'll be neelfne— vaiews@gbnews.uk. i'll be reading-those- vaiews@gbnews.uk. i'll be reading those out in to reading some of those out in to nnen— reading some of those out in to unen—l— reading some of those out in to unen—l elce- reading some of those out in to. unen—l elce-fe when i come back. i also want to fell— when i come back. i also want to fell fe— when i come back. i also want to fell fe yeu— when i come back. i also want to talk to you about— when i come back. i also want to talk to you about policing. appenenfly— talk to you about policing. apparently we've hit most of the feneefc— apparently we've hit most of the targets . recruit _ apparently we've hit most of the targets recruit 20,000. targets to recruit that 20,000. is targets to recruit that 20,000. lc-nnef— targets to recruit that 20,000. lc-wnef we — targets to recruit that 20,000. is-what we need- targets to recruit that 20,000. is what we need then to is this what we need then to cen—cnc- sort out policing in this ceunfn— sort out policing in this ceunfnw f— sort out policing in this country ? i'm- sort out policing in this country ? i'm so

it may be. so we still need to mele— it may be. so we still need to make sure we've— it may be. so we still need to make sure we've got strict fnnecnellc— make sure we've got strict thresholds for— make sure we've got strict thresholds for people coming to this thresholds for people coming to we ceunfnw — thresholds for people coming to we ceunfnw l— thresholds for people coming to this country. i you're, you're lfcfenfne— this country. i you're, you're lfcfenfnp fe— this country. i you're, you're listening to gb— this country. i you're, you're listening to gb news radio . listening to gb news radio. welln— listening to gb news radio. nelle fnene. — listening to gb news radio. hello there. i'm— listening to gb news radio. hello there. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company till 7:00 tonight alongside me, alex dean is a political consultant and john mcternan is a strategist and former adviser to tony blair. a lot of you guys getting in touch tonight at lots of them disagreeing with you. it weren't surprise you, perhaps if it's any consolation, when i'm on the beeb, it's the other way round. so you know. well, jim said jenrick is right. but i mean you go on and say that, but in essence your point is you're saying it's right. peter says

this country is finished . it's this country is finished. it's so overcrowded. we've got housing shortages and so on and so forth. they are completely right, says julie . not in the right, says julie. not in the least bit racist . marianne says least bit racist. marianne says braverman is only saying what the majority of people actually think . erg the majority of people actually think. erg well, the majority of people actually think . erg well, keep the majority of people actually think. erg well, keep your thoughts coming in. sticking thoughts coming in. sticking though , shall we, with suella though, shall we, with suella braverman. she's been giving quite a big speech today at this time on police ing. she's appealed to the police to return to sense and focus on to common sense and focus on fighting crime. that be nice, wouldn't it? she's also said that there was a perception that some police officers were on the side of militant pro testers. john mcternan, i know you're going to start saying about police cuts and hiring and all the rest of it and we shall come to that, i am sure. but in essence about the way that the police policed thing. do you police are policed thing. do you think got their think they've got their priorities right ? the police are priorities right? the police are uffenlw— priorities right? the police are utterly dreadful— priorities right? the police are utterly dreadful and- 0 037 the police are utterly dreadful and there's no leuef— utterly dreadful and there's no

leuef epeuf— utterly dreadful and there's no doubt about that— utterly dreadful and there's no doubt about that in the met, enplew— doubt about that in the met, employ nepfcfc— doubt about that in the met, employ rapists, all of them. the wef— employ rapists, all of them. the flee enplew— employ rapists, all of them. the met employ rapists, misogynists and murderers.— met employ rapists, misogynists and murderers. outside, outside . leneen— and murderers. outside, outside . leneen weue— and murderers. outside, outside . london you've struggled to fne— . london you've struggled to ffne enwpeew— . london you've struggled to find anybody who ever has a punplenw— find anybody who ever has a burglary, investigated . you burglary, investigated. you cfnplw— burglary, investigated. you simply simply— burglary, investigated. you simply simply get a police, you knew,— simply simply get a police, you knew, nene-c— simply simply get a police, you know, here's a— simply simply get a police, you know, here's a crime number. go enl— know, here's a crime number. go ene clefn— know, here's a crime number. go ene clefn ff— know, here's a crime number. go ene clefn ff en— know, here's a crime number. go and claim it on your— know, here's a crime number. go and claim it on your insurance. ceeenecc— and claim it on your insurance. goodness knows— and claim it on your insurance. goodness knows what the police are goodness knows what the police ene-fne— goodness knows what the police are -the numbers - goodness knows what the police are the numbers are down, are doing. the numbers are down, but are doing. the numbers are down, puf—wnef- are doing. the numbers are down, puf—wnef fnew-nei but goodness knows what they're eefne. — but goodness knows what they're lefne—elepfel- but goodness knows what they're doing._adapted to. doing. they've not adapted to the doing. they've not adapted to fne-ef— doing. they've not adapted to fne-cf wnef- doing. they've not adapted to the of what crime is. the pattern of what crime is. feu— the pattern of what crime is. feu knew,— the pattern of what crime is. you know, they— the pattern of what crime is. you know, they can't stop young peeple— you know, they can't stop young peeple being— you know, they can't stop young people being stabbed. they can't cfep— people being stabbed. they can't cfep young— people being stabbed. they can't cfep young wenen— people being stabbed. they can't stop young women being sexually ecceulfecl — stop young women being sexually assaulted. .they_ stop young women being sexually assaulted. they can't stop assaulted. and they can't stop nucle— assaulted. and they can't stop nfllle epen— assaulted. and they can't stop middle aged people suffering fnen— middle aged people suffering fnen fneul— middle aged people suffering from fraud and— middle aged people suffering from fraud and cyber crime in fnen— from fraud and cyber crime in fnefn nec— from fraud and cyber crime in their homes. they— from fraud and cyber crime in their homes. they clearly newen-f— their homes. they clearly haven't adapted to the modern wenlcl— haven't adapted to the modern wenlcl ane— haven't adapted to the modern world. and the— haven't adapted to the modern world. and the idea that the celuffen— world. and the idea that the solution-more— world. and the idea that the solution more complex crime, solution to more complex crime, fneue— solution to more complex crime, more fraud based— solution to more complex crime, more fraud based crime and all fnece— more fraud based crime and all fnece fnfnpc— more fraud based crime and all these things that— more fraud based crime and all these things that the solution to these things that the solution fe-fe— these things that the solution to-to actually- these things that the solution to to actually get to that is to actually get cfupflen— to that is to actually get stupider. police officers on the beef,— stupider. police officers on the peel-wnef— stupider. police officers on the beat,-what suella- beat, which is what suella braverman-do- beat, which is what suella braverman do need to beat, which is what suella- braverman-do need to is braverman policy i do need to is cnezw— braverman policy i do need to is cnezw we— braverman policy i do need to is cew we need— braverman policy i do need to is cw we need e— braverman policy i do need to is crazy. we need a graduate pnefeccfen— crazy. we need a graduate profession for— crazy. we need a graduate profession for the century. profession for the 21st century. i profession for the 21st century. l-fe— profession for the 21st century. l-fe pfcl— profession for the 21st century. l-fe pfcl weu— profession for the 21st century. l-fe pfcl weu up- profession for the 21st century. i-to pick you up on- profession for the 21st century. i-to pick you up on this. i need to pick you up on this. i don't agree with the graduate thing. back

thing. anyway, we'll come back to that. but when you talk about, oh, stupid people on the beat and this, i actually beat and all this, i actually find that very disrespect awful because the police because to go into the police force this day and age erg, force in this day and age erg, i think takes an incredibly think it takes an incredibly brave to get on the end brave person to get on the end of call run towards of a 999 call run towards dangen of a 999 call run towards danger, the kind of danger that most minded would most sane minded people would run hour , the run under miles an hour, the opposite direction from when you've your own family, your you've got your own family, your own and the rest of own kids and all the rest of it. i think those people are in i think that those people are in the brave, decent people . the main, brave, decent people. so when i hear you kind of tarring them all with this awful brush, calling them stupid and racist and i find that quite offensive behalf of anyone. offensive on behalf of anyone. and you might watching, and you might be watching, listening serving listening are you a serving police a former police officer or a former police officer or a former police do you say to police officer? do you say to him, to drop him, suella braverman to drop the standards? she's saying peeple— the standards? she's saying peeple nen-f— the standards? she's saying people don't need- the standards? she's saying people don't need a- 0 0 7 she's saying people don't need a degree. i neen-fc— people don't need a degree. i mean, is ridiculous. ”0; mean, that is ridiculous. are you— mean, that is ridiculous. are weu-nne— mean, that is ridiculous. are weu-me fnece- mean, that is ridiculous. are you-me that? are- mean, that is ridiculous. are you-me that? are you you telling me that? are you telling that can only telling me that you can only have something about you have something about you? you can intelligent if can only be intelligent if you've got degree? i think you you've got a degree? i think you shouldn't people you've got a degree? i think you sh leavet people you've got a degree? i think you sh leave school. you people you've got a degree? i think you sh leave school. you need)eople you've got a degree? i think you sh leave school. you need to ple you've got a degree? i think you sh leave school. you need to be to leave school. you need to be cewfne— to leave school. you need to be cewfne ef— to leave school. you need to be saying at school,— to leave school. you need to be saying at school, what- 0 you need to be saying at school, what about the nenw— saying at school, what about the nenw peeple— saying at school, what about the nenw peeple fnef— saying at school, what about the many people that already have? i many people that already have? l-fnene-c— many people that already have? i-there's about— many people that already have? i-there's about 35. - i mean, there's about 35. that's very i think

0 55 that's very i think that's very ceccl— that's very i think that's very smacks-snobbery,- that's very i think that's very smacks snobbery, to smacks of snobbery, i have to cew.— smacks of snobbery, i have to cew-l— smacks of snobbery, i have to cew-l knew— smacks of snobbery, i have to say. -i know you're - smacks of snobbery, i have to say. i know you're keen say. sorry. i know you're keen to say. sorry. i know you're keen fe-fn— say. sorry. i know you're keen fe-fn puf— say. sorry. i know you're keen to-in, but this- say. sorry. i know you're keen to in, but this whole to come in, but this whole neffen— to come in, but this whole neffen ef— to come in, but this whole notion of everyone's have to come in, but this whole nldegree everyone's have to come in, but this whole nldegree and ryone's have to come in, but this whole nldegree and you're have to come in, but this whole nldegree and you're not have a degree and you're not intelligent— a degree and you're not intelligent if— a degree and you're not intelligent if don't have intelligent if you don't have a eepnee— intelligent if you don't have a eepneelfnfnl— intelligent if you don't have a degree, think that's degree, i think that's ridiculous. - degree, i think that's ridiculous. eunice degree, i think that's- ridiculous. well, i suppose degree, i think that's— ridiculous. well, i suppose that was the kernel of what i was going to say, that university going to say, that a university qualification sole qualification is not the sole thing that makes someone's life worthwhile mean they've worthwhile or mean that they've got contribute. got something to contribute. indeed seeking to indeed the police are seeking to attract people mid—career attract many people mid—career and john's perspective, and on john's perspective, unless them go back unless he wants them to go back to three years, to university for three years, having some other having been in some other profession a while, seems profession for a while, it seems to stymieing their to me you're stymieing their ability be practising ability to be a practising police who may police officer who may contribute something positive. i agree with some of john's assertions, for other assertions, though, for other reasons. about the reasons. it's not about the degree thing, i think is degree thing, which i think is pretty ridiculous same, i pretty ridiculous in the same, i don't think need degree don't think you need a degree to walk beat more than you walk the beat any more than you need a degree necessarily to be a nurse in a hospital. i think that other forms that there are many other forms of short of the of training short of the academic that of training short of the atdegree: that of training short of the atdegree that that of training short of the atdegree that means that of training short of the atdegree that means people can a degree that means people can do jobs. i think there are do those jobs. i think there are things wrong with the police because structure, because of their structure, because of their structure, because disciplinary because of their disciplinary processes and because they've dropped other standards, not the

academic the fitness academic one, the fitness standards, which have basically been you been abandoned, which is why you see waddling like see people waddling around like they're paramilitary of see people waddling around like thejguardianaramilitary of see people waddling around like thejguardian festooned of see people waddling around like thejguardian festooned with of the guardian festooned with lycra, hands stuffed in lycra, their hands stuffed up in the this. we've all the vest like this. we've all seen you know, stuff coming seen it, you know, stuff coming off them like they're about to go on some jerry atrick equivalent raid . and equivalent of an sas raid. and that's the problem with that's part of the problem with the police. the second part of the police. the second part of the that the problem is that the structure of the forces on our county positions means we've got some tiny ones and some absolutely enormous ones. i love counties , but there's counties, but there's not actually a logical reason in this day and age to have that structure, especially with all the overlapping leadership that it has. and third problem is it has. and the third problem is the disciplinary the officer's disciplinary arnie one, to a major one, which leads to a major cultural problem with the police . like this is new. . and it's not like this is new. every time the warning sign comes out, the police say lessons have been learned. it won't happen again. and invariably it does. at hillsborough, police hillsborough, the police maintained that liverpool fans had urinated on officers and picked the pockets of the dead. all lies the police maintained that the women who were girls, i

should say, who were reporting themselves being abused on a systemic basis in the north of england were fantasists and racists. total lies . the met has racists. total lies. the met has been called institutionally racist for the second time and to demonstrate why they failed to demonstrate why they failed to take any kind of responsibility for this sort of thing, the guy who killed ian tomlinson , the newspaper seller tomlinson, the newspaper seller in the london riots years and years ago. in the footage demonstrating plainly just basic murder had been thrown out of the met, joined another police force come through, another process, and been allowed back into met again. and that's into the met again. and that's before to the officers before you get to the officers who stop women walking down the street, show them their warrant card get car, card and say, get in my car, rape them kill them. so the rape them and kill them. so the suggestion there's not something wrong think wrong with the police. i think i'm is not one that's i'm afraid, is not one that's going to stand up evaluation. going to stand up to evaluation. is any amount of respect is there any amount of respect for is there any amount of respect fen-pelfcef — is there any amount of respect for-police? of— is there any amount of respect for police? 0” 0.0. is there any amount of respect for police? 0” 00. for the police? of course. i'm a conservative and to conservative and i want to believe support the police believe and support the police and officers and many police officers themselves are decent, honourable to do honourable people trying to do their that's why i said their best. that's why i said their best. that's why i said the do with the problem was to do with discipline to do with discipline and to do with structure and to do with and

culture and fitness standards, not with individuals not to do with individuals necessarily. you know, i just i eppeel— necessarily. you know, i just i eppeel fe— necessarily. you know, i just i eppeel fe-ane— necessarily. you know, i just i appeal to-are you- necessarily. you know, i just i appeal to-are you a- 0 can you know, i just i appeal to are you a serving appeal to you. are you a serving efffcen— appeal to you. are you a serving efffcen en— appeal to you. are you a serving officer or perhaps— appeal to you. are you a serving officer or perhaps might officer or perhaps you might newe— officer or perhaps you might nne-newe- officer or perhaps you might have -now? i'm . have retired by now? i'm fascinated _ have retired by now? i'm fascinated to _ have retired by now? i'm fascinated to hear what you nnn— fascinated to hear what you nne-l— fascinated to hear what you think,-i don't- fascinated to hear what you think, i don't actually think, because i don't actually knew—e- think, because i don't actually knew—e cenfnei know anyone that is a serving pelfce— know anyone that is a serving police officer— know anyone that is a serving police officeribut_ know anyone that is a serving police officer but i imagine police officer. but i imagine wnen— police officer. but i imagine wnen weu— police officer. but i imagine when you hear— police officer. but i imagine when you hear conversations like fnfc— when you hear conversations like fnfclweneen— when you hear conversations like this,iwonder what— when you hear conversations like this, wonder what it does to this, i wonder what it does to weun— this, i wonder what it does to weun nenele— this, i wonder what it does to weun nnenele .— this, i wonder what it does to your morale , because you've said your morale, because you've said fnef. — your morale, because you've said fnef. one— your morale, because you've said fnef. one fnfne— your morale, because you've said that. one thing i— your morale, because you've said that. one thing i would- your morale, because you've said that. 03 0 that. one thing i would say is if you it's very interesting. i think you've made rod for your think you've made a rod for your own back because appealed own back because you've appealed to line to come on to the thin blue line to come on and say fine they are. i and say how fine they are. i understood. then you said former police officers. very quickly, if police if you ask former police officers, most officers, you find the most ready of the current ready critics of the current environment are those who enforce law past is enforce the law in the past is that are you out there? that true? are you out there? wfll— that true? are you out there? wfll-pecl— that true? are you out there? will-back that- that true? are you out there? will-back that point- 3.07 are you out there? will back that point up 307 are you out there? will back that point up from will you back that point up from alexe— will you back that point up from alene—wffn- will you back that point up from alene—wffn weu. | alex? i shall leave it with you. cef— alex? i shall leave it with you. eef-cucn.— alex? i shall leave it with you. get touch. vaiews@gbnews.uk get in touch. vaiews@gbnews.uk is get in touch. vaiews@gbnews.uk cnne—- get in touch. vaiews@gbnews.uk fcnne— ene- is how you can reach me and i wfll— is how you can reach me and i wfll newe— is how you can reach me and i wfll newe ce— is how you can reach me and i will have some of— is how you can reach me and i will have some of your responses in will have some of your responses fn fee.— will have some of your responses fn fee. nuf— will have some of your responses fn fee. nuf l— will have some of your responses in too. but i also— will have some of your responses in too. but i also want to ask you,— in too. but i also want to ask youe cfe— in too. but i also want to ask weu. ee weu— in too. but i also want to ask you, do you have— in too. but i also want to ask you, do you have children in in pnwefe— you, do you have children in in private schools?— you, do you have children in in private schools? perhaps? have you— private schools? perhaps? have weu—fe- private schools? perhaps? have weu—fe pufi you scrimped and saved to put fnen— you scrimped and saved to put wen—pene- you scrimped and saved to put them gone without them in? they're gone without it. them in? they're gone without ff. -le— them in? they're gone without ff. -ee weu— them in? they're gone without it.-do you think- them in? they're gone without it. do you think to the it. what do you think to the neffen— it. what do you think to the notion-perhaps- it. what do you think to the notion perhaps your notion that perhaps your fees weule— notion that perhaps your fees

would increase— notion that perhaps your fees would increase by 20% if vat was elnecf— would increase by 20% if vat was ended fe— would increase by 20% if vat was ended fe fw— would increase by 20% if vat was added to he is— would increase by 20% if vat was added to it? is it— would increase by 20% if vat was added to it? is it a— would increase by 20% if vat was added to it? is it a good idea? do added to it? is it a good idea? lee weu— added to it? is it a good idea? pe weu need— added to it? is it a good idea? do you need to— added to it? is it a good idea? do you need to batter those rich peeplef— do you need to batter those rich peeplef nele— do you need to batter those rich people? make everything equal or is it people? make everything equal or fc ff pene— people? make everything equal or fc ff pelnp fe— people? make everything equal or is it going to actually have cfllw— is it going to actually have some silly unintended consequences? thoughts some silly unintended— consequences? .thoughts and consequences? your thoughts and i'll consequences? your thoughts and l-ll-weu—

join us here on gb news. the neeple-c— join us here on gb news. the people's channel— join us here on gb news. the people's channel britain is wefcnfne— people's channel britain is wefcnfne .— people's channel britain is wefcnfne . — people's channel britain is watching . hello- people's channel britain is watching . 30;”0; watching. hello there. i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company until 7:00 tonight. alongside me, alex dean is a political consultant and john mcternan is a strategist and former adviser to tony blair. i've got to say there isn't a massive amount of love coming from you guys at home towards the police. it's surprising to me because, yes, i know all the stuff that we criticise and yes , i know all the points that's been made and all the rest of it, but i just still think and i guessi it, but i just still think and i guess i still hurt. maybe i'm being naive that on an inner residual level there is still a sense of respect for police officers. just have to look at

fne— officers. just have to look at fne wew— officers. just have to look at fne wew fne— officers. just have to look at the way the met— 0035 just have to look at the way the met have 0.035 just have to look at the way the met have a proper fneufnw— the way the met have a proper fneufnw en— the way the met have a proper fneufnw en fne— the way the met have a proper inquiry or the casey review into fnfe— inquiry or the casey review into fnfe fnen— inquiry or the casey review into fnfe fnen ene— inquiry or the casey review into into them and when it identifies fnen — into them and when it identifies fnen ec— into them and when it identifies them as institutionally them as being institutionally nfcepwnfcf— them as being institutionally misogynist institutions albie necfcf— misogynist institutions albie necfcf .— misogynist institutions albie necfcf . fne— misogynist institutions albie racist . the commissioner runs racist. the commissioner runs ewew— racist. the commissioner runs ewew fnen — racist. the commissioner runs ewew fnen fne— racist. the commissioner runs away from the words and if you ewew— away from the words and if you ewew fnen — away from the words and if you run away from the— away from the words and if you run away from the words , you're run away from the words, you're nunnfne— run away from the words, you're nunnfnp ewew— run away from the words, you're running away from _ run away from the words, you're running away from the actions. fne— running away from the actions. fne pneplen— running away from the actions. the problem is— running away from the actions. the problem is we do need a refoundation_ the problem is we do need a refoundation of— the problem is we do need a refoundation of the police. i fnfnl— refoundation of the police. i fnfnl fne— refoundation of the police. i think the modern police force enlw— think the modern police force can only police— think the modern police force can only police with with the wffn — can only police with with the wffn fne — can only police with with the with the consent— can only police with with the with the consent and the confidence _ with the consent and the confidence of— with the consent and the confidence of the public. fnew-we— confidence of the public. they've lost— confidence of the public. they've lost the confidence. and it's they've lost the confidence. and ff-cleeel— they've lost the confidence. and ff-clpeee cewfne— they've lost the confidence. and it's good saying people it's no good saying people cneull— it's no good saying people should confident. have should be confident. you have to fne—fnec- find ways to rebuild that confidence— find ways to rebuild that confidence and i think that's a fnfnp— confidence and i think that's a fnfne fnef— confidence and i think that's a thing that should— confidence and i think that's a thing that should be bipartisan and thing that should be bipartisan ene fnef-c— thing that should be bipartisan and that's the _ thing that should be bipartisan and that's the labour and tory, ewenwpelw— and that's the labour and tory, everybody should— and that's the labour and tory, everybody should a good everybody should want a good pelfce— everybody should want a good pence-fne- everybody should want a good police-the public. police force that the public fnucf. — police force that the public trust. well,— police force that the public trust. well,-it's| police force that the public- trust. well,-it's both trust. well, and that it's both ways, right ? it's both on the ways, right? it's both on the you— ways, right? it's both on the weu newe— ways, right? it's both on the weu newe fe— ways, right? it's both on the you have to hold— ” 03“7 it's both on the you have to hold your ways pecuce— you have to hold your ways peceuce-fe- you have to hold your ways because to move on to because i want to move on to fell— because i want to move on to fell epeuf— because i want to move on to talk about schools in a minute puf— talk about schools in a minute euf cfefene— talk about schools in a minute but beforeido,_ talk about schools in a minute but before do, alex says, am but before i do, alex says, i am a but before i do, alex says, i am e cenfne— but before i do, alex says, i am a serving-sergeant- but before i do, alex says, i am a serving sergeant at the a serving police sergeant at the cfefe— a serving police sergeant at the cfefelpelfcfne— a serving police sergeant at the state-policing is— a serving police sergeant at the state policing is utterly state of policing is utterly cneeffc. — state of policing is utterly chaotic. it's— state of policing is utterly chaotic. it's-red- state of policing is utterly chaotic. it's red tape that chaotic. it's the red tape that neeec— chaotic. it's the red tape that neelclpe — chaotic. it's the red tape that needs be immediately removed chaotic. it's the red tape that neeiwe be immediately removed chaotic. it's the red tape that neeiwe should mediately removed chaotic. it's the red tape that neeiwe should be diately removed chaotic. it's the red tape that neeiwe should be allowedemoved chaotic. it's the red tape that neeiwe should be allowed to oved and we should be allowed to can— and we should be allowed to carry commonsense policing, carry out commonsense policing, he carry out commonsense policing, ne—lffenellw- he says. we record literally ewenwfnfnp— he says. we record literally

everything and _ he says. we record literally everything and consider now we're considered— everything and consider now we're considered a one stop shop for we're considered a one stop shop fen ell— we're considered a one stop shop for all societal— we're considered a one stop shop for all societal issues, and nef— for all societal issues, and we ne-c— for all societal issues, and that he's what— for all societal issues, and that he's what has to change pufcllw— that he's what has to change eufcllw .— that he's what has to change eufcllw . ew— that he's what has to change quickly - by the_ that he's what has to change quickly . by the way, alex, get quickly. by the way, alex, get peck— quickly. by the way, alex, get eecl fn— quickly. by the way, alex, get back in touch,— quickly. by the way, alex, get back in touch, though. just tell wnef— back in touch, though. just tell wnef fc— back in touch, though. just tell me, what is your— back in touch, though. just tell me, what is your morale like? necuce— me, what is your morale like? necuce l— me, what is your morale like? necuce l cfe— me, what is your morale like? because i do take— me, what is your morale like? because i do take your points, puf— because i do take your points, but-fascinated— because i do take your points, but fascinated about morale but i'm fascinated about morale as but i'm fascinated about morale ec-wenf— but i'm fascinated about morale ec-wenf fe— but i'm fascinated about morale as -want to talk- but i'm fascinated about morale as want to talk about as well. i want to talk about ccneelc.— as well. i want to talk about schools. _alex i as well. i want to talk about schools._alex is| schools. i know that alex is ffcnfne— schools. i know that alex is ffcnfne fe— schools. i know that alex is itching to come— schools. i know that alex is itching to come back in, but if i itching to come back in, but if f fen-f.— itching to come back in, but if f fen-f. l— itching to come back in, but if i don't, i might— itching to come back in, but if i don't, i might see if i can ecueee— i don't, i might see if i can ecueee weu— i don't, i might see if i can squeeze you your please point peck— squeeze you your please point back-towards— squeeze you your please point back-towards the- squeeze you your please point back towards the of the back in towards the end of the pnepnenne— back in towards the end of the programme-now,- programme. but for now, cenefnfne— programme. but for now,| something—eye programme. but for now,- something_eye this something caught my eye this nennfne. — something caught my eye this morning. something in the morning. it was something in the felepnepn— morning. it was something in the feleenepn—cewcl telegraph actually, which says we— telegraph actually, which says fnef—cene- telegraph actually, which says fnef—cene ef| that private schools, some of fnen — that private schools, some of them _increasing l that private schools, some of. them _increasing their them have been increasing their feec— them have been increasing their feec ew— them have been increasing their feec by ec— them have been increasing their fees by as much— them have been increasing their fees by as much as— them have been increasing their fees by as much as 19. right. lf-c— fees by as much as 19. right. it's basically— fees by as much as 19. right. it's basically prompted a load of it's basically prompted a load efee—- it's basically prompted a load of_move their- it's basically prompted a load of move their kids of families to move their kids cuf— of families to move their kids euf—ccneel- of families to move their kids out—school and| out of the private school and put— out of the private school and puf-fnfe— out of the private school and put - into - state - out of the private school and put into state sector put them into the state sector enl— put them into the state sector and-immediately- put them into the state sector. and-immediately-me and then immediately started me fnfnlfnp—en- thinking, well, hang on a cecenl— thinking, well, hang on a second, because keir starmer you new— second, because keir starmer you nfenflfenflfen— second, because keir starmer you might-familiar with— second, because keir starmer you might familiar with has a bit might be familiar with has a bit of might be familiar with has a bit ef e— might be familiar with has a bit ef e plen— might be familiar with has a bit ef e plen-wlf— might be familiar with has a bit of a plan-vat onto- of a plan to put vat onto pnwefe— of a plan to put vat onto private school— of a plan to put vat onto private school fees. so surely fcn-f— private school fees. so surely fcn-f fnfc— private school fees. so surely fcn-f fnfc e— private school fees. so surely isn't this a bit— private school fees. so surely isn't this a bit of— private school fees. so surely isn't this a bit of a warning cfen— isn't this a bit of a warning cfen ec— isn't this a bit of a warning cfpn ec fe— isn't this a bit of a warning sign as to what— isn't this a bit of a warning sign as to what would come from feel— sign as to what would come from leel .— sign as to what would come from leel . ccneel— sign as to what would come from look , school fees— sign as to what would come from look , school fees are going up look, school fees are going up enwwew— look, school fees are going up anyway because _ look, school fees are going up anyway because of inflation. i

fnfnl— anyway because of inflation. i fnfnl ff-c— anyway because of inflation. i think it's right— anyway because of inflation. i think it's right for— anyway because of inflation. i think it's right for keir- think it's right for keir starmer to say you can have private schools . we should have private schools. we should have the choice for parents. you can have private schools, you can buy the privilege for your kids. you can buy the social networks for your kids, but let's have tax on it. vat on it, like other like other other goods and services. and that is fair. will that have an impact? well, it depends the schools are depends where the schools are doing value money. doing providing value for money. but who want to buy the but people who want to buy the social access , who want to buy social access, who want to buy the networks, who want to buy the networks, who want to buy the privilege , erg, they the privilege, erg, they will still scrimp and still scrimp and save. and i think can used for think the money can be used for state schools come back at state schools to come back at you. but alex wants to you. but i know alex wants to ene— you. but i know alex wants to ene pe. — you. but i know alex wants to come and go. alex— but i know alex wants to come and go. alex well, i don't newe— come and go. alex well, i don't have children— come and go. alex well, i don't have children myself and people come and go. alex well, i don't have accusei myself and people come and go. alex well, i don't have accuse conservatives)eople come and go. alex well, i don't have accuse conservatives ofnple often accuse conservatives of being— often accuse conservatives of pelnp nenpenf— often accuse conservatives of being rampant individualists and fnenefene— being rampant individualists and therefore _yeah,- therefore i should say, yeah, ff-c— therefore i should say, yeah, ff-c-lef-c— therefore i should say, yeah, it's - let's tax - therefore i should say, yeah, it's- let's tax them . therefore i should say, yeah,- it's-let's tax them more it's good. let's tax them more and people will benefit. and people like me will benefit. actually, that people actually, i think that people having the choice to educate their children having the choice to educate theirchildren different their children in different places think places is good. i also think that people voluntarily paying twice they pay their twice is good. they pay their taxes, for the taxes, which goes to pay for the state then they pay state system. then they pay again to take their child out of the state system and leave the

state system burden of state system of the burden of that and educate them that education and educate them somewhere else. so when you squeeze sector, you squeeze that private sector, you put back onto the state put a burden back onto the state system deprive yourself of system and deprive yourself of that of that double and that of that double payment and so starmer , by so for me, i think starmer, by dint a class sort of chip on dint of a class sort of chip on the shoulder, which he plainly doesn't feel, but he perhaps it's a bit like john's saying that the that he thought the conservatives were whistling conservatives were dog whistling in the segment. well, this in the last segment. well, this i is the labour dog i suppose, is the labour dog whistle, right? starmer doesn't feel himself. in he feel this himself. in fact, he probably he's got to probably feels like he's got to show he's a man the show a man he's a man of the people and on about how much people and go on about how much he likes football and wants to shove it, shove it up. the toffs like him. i suppose it's a like him. so i suppose it's a bit of demonstration like that, but actually make school but i would actually make school fees tax deductible. fees partially tax deductible. i'd rebate, not i'd give people a rebate, not the nothing like the whole amount, nothing like it, to make a little it, but just to make it a little easier and show that the state approves of approves of you approves of it, approves of you dipping your pocket to dipping into your pocket to support education support the education of your children what children above and beyond what you tax. i don't like you pay in tax. i don't like fnfc— you pay in tax. i don't like we pelfcw— you pay in tax. i don't like this policy-the- you pay in tax. i don't like this policy-the 20,- “ fix i don't like this policy the 20, and i'll this policy of the 20, and i'll fell— this policy of the 20, and i'll fell weu— this policy of the 20, and i'll fell weu fen— this policy of the 20, and i'll tell you for why. _ this policy of the 20, and i'll tell you for why. because to me, it's tell you for why. because to me, ff-c fnfc— tell you for why. because to me, ff-c fnfc wne— tell you for why. because to me, it's this kind .virtue- it's this kind of virtue cfpnellfnp— it's this kind of virtue signalling thing. look, working

cleccec —we- signalling thing. look, working classes,_we will. signalling thing. look, working classes, we will tax classes, look at us. we will tax fne— classes, look at us. we will tax fne big— classes, look at us. we will tax fne big fef— classes, look at us. we will tax the big fat cats,— classes, look at us. we will tax the big fat cats, the rich peeple.— the big fat cats, the rich peoplew you _ the big fat cats, the rich people, you know, we'll sort the big fat cats, the rich peoplrighti know, we'll sort the big fat cats, the rich peoplright out. w, we'll sort the big fat cats, the rich peoplright out. but/e'll sort the big fat cats, the rich peoplright out. but you sort the big fat cats, the rich peoplright out. but you were them right out. but you were ecfuellw— them right out. but you were actually because— them right out. but you were actually because those rich peeple— actually because those rich peeple .— actually because those rich peeple . fnew— actually because those rich people , they can suck up a 20% people, they can suck up a 20% fn— people, they can suck up a 20% increase in school— people, they can suck up a 20% increase in school fees. it's nef— increase in school fees. it's nef pene— increase in school fees. it's nef pelnp fe— increase in school fees. it's not going to affect them at all. fne— not going to affect them at all. fne peeple— not going to affect them at all. the people that— not going to affect them at all. the people that will be affected by the people that will be affected fw fne.— the people that will be affected pw fnfc. fenn— the people that will be affected by this, john, are— the people that will be affected by this, john, are those working clecc— by this, john, are those working clecc-fnece — by this, john, are those working class those strivers now class people, those strivers now fnef—wffneuf- class people, those strivers now that—without cars,- that have gone without cars, gene— that have gone without cars, gone - holidays - that have gone without cars, gone - holidays , - that have gone without cars, gone holidays , gone gone without holidays, gone wffneuf—fc- gone without holidays, gone without—is to - without whatever it is to pnewee— without whatever it is to provide authorities the education _ provide authorities the education of- provide authorities the education of their child to penen— education of their child to better their— education of their child to better their life? they've got an aspiration _ better their life? they've got an aspiration for— better their life? they've got an aspiration for their family. ane— an aspiration for their family. and ff— an aspiration for their family. and ff fc— an aspiration for their family. and it is that— an aspiration for their family. and it is that person that i fnfnl— and it is that person that i fnfnl fnef— and it is that person that i think that this— and it is that person that i think that this policy did lfnecflw— think that this policy did directly seeks- think that this policy did directly seeks to hit to alex's pefnf— directly seeks to hit to alex's pefnf. ff— directly seeks to hit to alex's point, it makes— directly seeks to hit to alex's point, it makes no financial enwwew— point, it makes no financial sense anyway, because all these peeple— sense anyway, because all these peeple ee— sense anyway, because all these peeple going— sense anyway, because all these people are going to do is go and pecene— people are going to do is go and pecenne fnen— people are going to do is go and become then a— people are going to do is go and become then a drain on the state cwcfen — become then a drain on the state cwcfen fncfeecl— become then a drain on the state system instead. and it just nelec— system instead. and it just nelec ne— system instead. and it just makes no sense- system instead. and it just makes no sense to me. it's just a makes no sense to me. it's just e wnue— makes no sense to me. it's just a virtue signalling— makes no sense to me. it's just a virtue signalling attack on ecpfneffen— a virtue signalling attack on ecpfneffen. — a virtue signalling attack on aspiration . the— a virtue signalling attack on aspiration . aspiration. the state system is underfunded, massive . after ten underfunded, massive. after ten years, 13 years of the tory of the tory government are teachers are underpaid. that's why there are underpaid. that's why there are shortages. that's why they'll be the maths they'll never be the maths teachers to implement the policy. sunak tried to policy. rishi sunak tried to announce week. we've

announce last week. we've got a huge issue. we have to invest the 21st century is a century of knowledge. the knowledge economy. it requires higher skills. it requires more people to go to university. i'm i support david willetts idea that 75% of kids should go to university. 75 75% of kids should go to university . 75 5. good grief . university. 75 5. good grief. so what you want to do is just devalue a degree to the point where pretty much everyone's got them, but everyone's now saddled with debt, so they're not a point of difference all. a point of difference at all. a lot of people have point of difference at all. a. lot of people have-ability lot of people have the ability to lot of people have the ability fe pe— lot of people have the ability fe 90 fe— lot of people have the ability to go to university more than cffll— to go to university more than cffll-fn— to go to university more than cffll-fn-sei still getting in places. so i weule— still getting in places. so i would expand— still getting in places. so i would expand university education. _ would expand university education. best and education. you need the best and the education. you need the best and fne-fe— education. you need the best and fne-fe ee— education. you need the best and the-to be educated- the brightest to be educated for as the brightest to be educated for ec-enl— the brightest to be educated for ec-enllwell— the brightest to be educated for as-and.well as- the brightest to be educated for as-and .well as you - the brightest to be educated for as and well as you can. as long and as well as you can. nuf— as long and as well as you can. nuf fn— as long and as well as you can. nuf fn fnfc— as long and as well as you can. nuf fn fnfc fn— as long and as well as you can. but in this in this— as long and as well as you can. but in this in this case, i fnfnl— but in this in this case, i fnfnl weu— but in this in this case, i think you are— but in this in this case, i think you are very snobby when it think you are very snobby when ff cec— think you are very snobby when ff fe— think you are very snobby when it comes to education. i think weune— it comes to education. i think weune wew— it comes to education. i think you're very elitist and what you're very elitist and what you're need the best you're saying we need the best and brightest basically to and the brightest basically to stay within educational stay within an educational framework for as long as possible. i think that's possible. i don't think that's fair. why can't be out and fair. why can't they be out and be fair. why can't they be out and fee nenecff— fair. why can't they be out and be honest? i'd— fair. why can't they be out and be honest? i'd be— fair. why can't they be out and be honest? i'd be in— ” why can't they be out and be honest? i'd be in favour of. i be honest? i'd be in favour of. l-fnfnl— be honest? i'd be in favour of. i-think that's— be honest? i'd be in favour of. i-think that's fair. - be honest? i'd be in favour of. i-think that's fair. n0,- i don't think that's fair. no, no. 75 educating people better is laudable aim. but the idea is a laudable aim. but the idea that necessarily means

that necessarily that means university, where university, that's where you lose blairite in lose me and the blairite in government enjoys notion government enjoys the notion of such numbers people such high numbers of people going because it's going to university because it's a unemployment it but a mask on unemployment it but actually an increasingly actually it's an increasingly expensive plaster over unemployment given the debt with which people emerge from university. now saddled with. when i was at university , fees when i was at university, fees were i mean when i started at university was no fee. i university there was no fee. i was generation that was in that generation that straddled, fee and straddled, there was no fee and student loans were reasonable. now there are high fees and student loan interest is completely unreasonable , right? completely unreasonable, right? we've in single we've done that in a single generation . ian the big generation. ian and the big issue isn't between the classes, it's between the generations people. age. we as a we as people. my age. we as a we as a country , and it well predated country, and it well predated the advent of the conservative party's time in government. indeed, john, let me remind you that the conservative party's position tuition fees went in position on tuition fees went in favour against. in favour, i know some contortionist who believed in the party line throughout by the way. i've never quite understood they never quite understood how they managed it. but anyway, i've always been in favour of tuition fees, the extent fees, but not in to the extent they are, and certainly the

they are, and certainly not the eye gouging interests that are imposed debt. once imposed on student debt. once you paying back, 75% of you start paying it back, 75% of young at university. young people at university. motty do you make to that ? motty what do you make to that? i motty what do you make to that? l-ff-c— motty what do you make to that? i-it's absolutely- i just think it's absolutely cfllw— i just think it's absolutely cfllw. wnef— i just think it's absolutely silly. what about apprenticeships ? what about apprenticeships? what about peeple— apprenticeships? what about peeple fnef— apprenticeships? what about people that just go off people that just want to go off ene— people that just want to go off ene ee— people that just want to go off and be entrepreneurs and all the rest and be entrepreneurs and all the necflfff— and be entrepreneurs and all the necflfff l— and be entrepreneurs and all the necflfff l ee— and be entrepreneurs and all the rest-it? i do not— and be entrepreneurs and all the rest it? i do not understand rest of it? i do not understand fnfc— rest of it? i do not understand this desperate— rest of it? i do not understand this desperate need to judge peeple— this desperate need to judge peeple pecen— this desperate need to judge people based on whether they've a21 people based on whether they've aztla— people based on whether they've azfle ffncf— people based on whether they've a21-a first and— people based on whether they've a21 a first and which degree. a21 or a first and which degree. i a21 or a first and which degree. l fnfnl— a21 or a first and which degree. l fnfnl ff-c— a21 or a first and which degree. i think it's absolute nonsense ene— i think it's absolute nonsense ene-ell— i think it's absolute nonsense and-all-happensl i think it's absolute nonsensei and-all-happens is and i think all that happens is and i think all that happens is e—tucf— and i think all that happens is a_just becomes. and i think all that happens is a_just becomes ai a degree then just becomes a fflfenfnp— a degree then just becomes a filtering mechanism. um, and weu-ll— filtering mechanism. um, and weu-ll-ene— filtering mechanism. um, and weu-ll-ene fe— filtering mechanism. um, and you'll one to fried chips you'll need one to fried chips in mcdonald's— you'll need one to fried chips in mcdonald's something in mcdonald's or something peceuce— in mcdonald's or something because-lowers- in mcdonald's or something because lowers the value because it just lowers the value of because it just lowers the value ef-lef— because it just lowers the value ef-lef ne— because it just lowers the value of-let me know- because it just lowers the value of let me know your of them. let me know your fneuenfc— of them. let me know your thoughts-come- of them. let me know your thoughts come back . of them. let me know your- thoughts-come back . gosh, thoughts when i come back. gosh, so thoughts when i come back. gosh, ce nucn— thoughts when i come back. gosh, ce nucn l— thoughts when i come back. gosh, so much more. i know there's comments that— so much more. i know there's comments that you want to make on comments that you want to make en-ef— comments that you want to make en-ef fne— comments that you want to make on-of the earlier— comments that you want to make on of the earlier topics. on one of the earlier topics. lefc—newe- on one of the earlier topics. lots—have been| on one of the earlier topics.. lots—have been in lots of you guys have been in feucn— lots of you guys have been in feucn epeuf— lots of you guys have been in touch about the _ lots of you guys have been in touch about the police and about ccneelc.— touch about the police and about ccneelc. l— touch about the police and about schools. i want— touch about the police and about schools. i want to— touch about the police and about schools. i want to touch that schools. i want to touch on that enl— schools. i want to touch on that ene-ec— schools. i want to touch on that ene-ec well — schools. i want to touch on that ene-ec well l- schools. i want to touch on that and-as well. i want- schools. i want to touch on that and as well. i want to and if i can as well. i want to ace— and if i can as well. i want to elce ecl— and if i can as well. i want to elce ecl-le— and if i can as well. i want to also ask-do you- and if i can as well. i want to also ask do you think we also ask you, do you think we need— also ask you, do you think we need fe— also ask you, do you think we need fe eef— also ask you, do you think we need to eat less— also ask you, do you think we need to eat less fish? that's a bit need to eat less fish? that's a eff ef— need to eat less fish? that's a eff ef e— need to eat less fish? that's a bit of a random— need to eat less fish? that's a bit of a random-in- need to eat less fish? that's a bit of a random in it. but bit of a random one in it. but fell— bit of a random one in it. but fell ne— bit of a random one in it. but fell ne weun— bit of a random one in it. but tell me your thoughts. and by the tell me your thoughts. and by fne wave— tell me your thoughts. and by fne wave ee— tell me your thoughts. and by fne wew. ee weu— tell me your thoughts. and by the way, do you think eating ffcn— the way, do you think eating fish-similar— the way, do you think eating fish-similar to— the way, do you think eating fish similar to eating your fish is similar to eating your pet— fish is similar to eating your pef-wenle- fish is similar to eating your pet-world has-

fish is similar to eating your pet world has gone pet cat? this world has gone nee. — pet cat? this world has gone nee. see—

in two. hi i in two. hi there.j i in two.- hi there. i'm | ln ewe.— hi there. i'm michelle dewberry enl— hi there. i'm michelle dewberry ene fn— hi there. i'm michelle dewberry ene fn leepfnp— hi there. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company till pee— and i'm keeping you company till foo fenfenf. — and i'm keeping you company till 7:00 tonight. alex— and i'm keeping you company till 7:00 tonight. alex dean is elenpcfee— 7:oo tonight. alex dean is alongside me,— 7:00 tonight. alex dean is alongside me, the political consultant,— alongside me, the political consultant, as— alongside me, the political consultant, as is john mcternan, the consultant, as is john mcternan, fne—fennen- the strategist and former ecfwcen— the strategist and former eewcen fe— the strategist and former adviser to blair. joe says adviser to tony blair. joe says flfcnelle.— adviser to tony blair. joe says flfcnelle. ec— adviser to tony blair. joe says michelle, as a— adviser to tony blair. joe says michelle, as a mother, daughter, wffe— michelle, as a mother, daughter, wffe enl— michelle, as a mother, daughter, wife and sister— michelle, as a mother, daughter, wife and sister of— michelle, as a mother, daughter, wife and sister of police efffcenc— wife and sister of police officers ranging from the very penen— officers ranging from the very penen-wew— officers ranging from the very bottom _very top - officers ranging from the very bottom _very top ,- officers ranging from the very bottom very top , your bottom to the very top, your penellfcf— bottom to the very top, your panellist statements are epcelufelw— panellist statements are efecelufelw—j panellist statements are- absolutely_, shocking absolutely disgraceful, shocking and absolutely disgraceful, shocking ene-.— absolutely disgraceful, shocking ene-. fn— absolutely disgraceful, shocking ene-. ln fnfc- absolutely disgraceful, shocking and-. in this era- absolutely disgraceful, shocking and-. in this era of. absolutely disgraceful, shocking and . in this era of be and offensive. in this era of be nce— and offensive. in this era of be fe— and offensive. in this era of be nice to everybody.— and offensive. in this era of be nice to everybody. why is it peeple— nice to everybody. why is it peeple fnfnl— nice to everybody. why is it people think they can treat our pelfce— people think they can treat our pelfce wffn— people think they can treat our police with such— people think they can treat our police with such vile comments? sne— police with such vile comments? sne ecec— police with such vile comments? sne eeec en— police with such vile comments? sne peec en fe— police with such vile comments? she goes on to tell— police with such vile comments? she goes on to tell me her leuenfen— she goes on to tell me her daughter has— she goes on to tell me her daughter has just left the pelfce— daughter has just left the police after— daughter has just left the police after three years and a leuenfen— police after three years and a eeupnfen cewc— police after three years and a daughter says people need to well— daughter says people need to well fn— daughter says people need to well n a— daughter says people need to walk in. a police— daughter says people need to walk in. a police officer's cnecc— walk in. a police officer's cneec fen— walk in. a police officer's shoes for a— walk in. a police officer's shoes for a day- walk in. a police officer's shoes for a day before their cennenf— shoes for a day before their comment doesn't mention why she left comment doesn't mention why she leff .— comment doesn't mention why she leff . well— comment doesn't mention why she leff . well ff— comment doesn't mention why she left . well, it does,— comment doesn't mention why she left . well, it does, actually, left. well, it does, actually, puf— left. well, it does, actually, euf ff— left. well, it does, actually, euf ff leec— left. well, it does, actually, but it does if— left. well, it does, actually, but it does if you want if you wenf— but it does if you want if you wenf ne— but it does if you want if you wenf ne fe— but it does if you want if you want me to carry— but it does if you want if you want me to carry on, it's just a wew— want me to carry on, it's just a wew leng— want me to carry on, it's just a wew lenp enel.— want me to carry on, it's just a very long email, so. okay. all nfenf. — very long email, so. okay. all nfenf. -wennw— very long email, so. okay. all right.-worry about- very long email, so. okay. all right. worry about it. right. don't worry about it. fucf— right. don't worry about it.

lucf-feen— right. don't worry about it. just-yeah, she's- right. don't worry about it. just yeah, she's faced just say, yeah, she's faced fnneefenfnp— just say, yeah, she's faced threatening a— just say, yeah, she's faced threatening a life frightening and threatening a life frighteningi and—situations and life threatening situations on and life threatening situations en—elene- and life threatening situations en—elene wffnl on a daily basis, along with leng— on a daily basis, along with lene zo— on a daily basis, along with lenp ze neun— on a daily basis, along with long 20 hour work days on a weellw— long 20 hour work days on a weellw pecfc— long 20 hour work days on a weekly basis, all— long 20 hour work days on a weekly basis, all the take weekly basis, all for the take nene— weekly basis, all for the take nene-cne— weekly basis, all for the take home-she says- weekly basis, all for the take home-she says of- weekly basis, all for the take home she says of £85 a day home pay, she says of £85 a day effen— home pay, she says of £85 a day effen few. — home pay, she says of £85 a day effen few. se— home pay, she says of £85 a day after tax. so there— home pay, she says of £85 a day after tax. so there was more to it. after tax. so there was more to f. fefn— after tax. so there was more to f. fefn enenn— after tax. so there was more to it. fair enough, because of time enlw. — it. fair enough, because of time enlw. l— it. fair enough, because of time reasons only. i was— it. fair enough, because of time reasons only. i was trying reasons only. i was just trying to reasons only. i was just trying fe ceufcn— reasons only. i was just trying fe ceufcnlell— reasons only. i was just trying to squishlall in,— reasons only. i was just trying to squish all in, jay says . to squish it all in, jay says. my— to squish it all in, jay says. flw eeupnfen— to squish it all in, jay says. my daughter sends her son to a pnfwefe— my daughter sends her son to a private school.— my daughter sends her son to al private school._and private school. she screams and cewec-eeeec— private school. she screams and saves goods without and saves and goods without and doing— saves and goods without and eefnp-pwec— saves and goods without and doing gives someone else doing this gives someone else the doing this gives someone else fne cnefce— doing this gives someone else the choice of— doing this gives someone else the choice of the— doing this gives someone else the choice of the state school fnef-c— the choice of the state school fnef-c fnen— the choice of the state school that's their want— the choice of the state school that's their want completely eenee — that's their want completely eneep lefc— that's their want completely agree. lots of— that's their want completely agree. lots of you getting in feucn— agree. lots of you getting in feucn eeeuf— agree. lots of you getting in touch about this— agree. lots of you getting in touch about this private school len— touch about this private school len cewc— touch about this private school one ian says oh— touch about this private school one ian says oh re— touch about this private school one ian says oh re michelle neweennw— one ian says oh re michelle neweennw .— one ian says oh re michelle pewpennw . ff— one ian says oh re michelle dewberry . if you- one ian says oh re michelle dewberry . if you went to dewberry. if you went to unfwencffw— dewberry. if you went to university you'd know the one an ele—nen— university you'd know the one an ele—nen fn — university you'd know the one an ele—nen fn gene— university you'd know the one an de—man im gone is— university you'd know the one an de—man im gone is the girl from full— de—man im gone is the girl from full ne— de—man im gone is the girl from full ne cewc— de—man im gone is the girl from full ne cewc fn— de—man im gone is the girl from hull, he says in her— de—man im gone is the girl from hull, he says in her steed is a multi—millionaire_ hull, he says in her steed is a multi—millionaire who only fnfnlc— multi—millionaire who only fnfnlc ef— multi—millionaire who only thinks of the— multi—millionaire who only thinks of the rich . what utter thinks of the rich. what utter fnfpe— thinks of the rich. what utter fnfpe .— thinks of the rich. what utter fnfpe . len— thinks of the rich. what utter tripe , ian what— thinks of the rich. what utter tripe , ian what i'm actually tripe, ian what i'm actually fnfnlfnp— tripe, ian what i'm actually fnfnlfne ef— tripe, ian what i'm actually thinking of is— tripe, ian what i'm actually thinking of is the people that wew— thinking of is the people that wenl nene— thinking of is the people that wenl nene .— thinking of is the people that work hard , that— thinking of is the people that work hard , that are not the work hard, that are not the multi—millionaire rich. they're tucf— multi—millionaire rich. they're tucfweun— multi—millionaire rich. they're just your working— multi—millionaire rich. they're just your working class cnfwenc — just your working class strivers. they- just your working class strivers. they go without your, i strivers. they go without your, l fen-f— strivers. they go without your, l fen-f knew— strivers. they go without your, l fen-f lnew .— strivers. they go without your, i don't know , your holidays, i don't know, your holidays, weun— i don't know, your holidays, your cars and— i don't know, your holidays, your cars and all the rest of it. your cars and all the rest of f. fnew—

your cars and all the rest of ff. fnew nele— your cars and all the rest of it. they make sacrifices in fnen— it. they make sacrifices in fnefn lffe— it. they make sacrifices in their life to _ it. they make sacrifices in their life to educate their cnfllnen— their life to educate their cnflcfnen .— their life to educate their children , to— their life to educate their children , to propel their children, to propel their cnfllnen— children, to propel their children beyond them . that is children beyond them. that is wne— children beyond them. that is wne l— children beyond them. that is wne l en— children beyond them. that is who i am thinking about. because weun— who i am thinking about. because your multi—millionaire rich peeple— your multi—millionaire rich peeple .— your multi—millionaire rich peeple . fnew— your multi—millionaire rich people , they don't give a if you people, they don't give a if you put people, they don't give a if you puf zone— people, they don't give a if you puf zen en— people, they don't give a if you put 20% on those— people, they don't give a if you put 20% on those fees, they can cucl— put 20% on those fees, they can cucl ff— put 20% on those fees, they can cucl ff up— put 20% on those fees, they can cucl ff up lfle— put 20% on those fees, they can suck it up like i— put 20% on those fees, they can suck it up like i know this is cenefnfne— suck it up like i know this is cenefnfne l— suck it up like i know this is something i shouldn't have said fnef—cnfpc- something i shouldn't have said fnef—cnfpc i that anyway. fish and chips. nnffefn-c— that anyway. fish and chips. britain's favourite teatime fneef— britain's favourite teatime fneef nec— britain's favourite teatime treat has caught the eye of enfnel— treat has caught the eye of animal rights— treat has caught the eye of animal rights group peta. long cfenw— animal rights group peta. long cfenw cnen— animal rights group peta. long cfenw cnenf. fne— animal rights group peta. long story short, the an artefact in cleefnenpec. — story short, the an artefact in cleethorpes. don't you start leupnfne— cleethorpes. don't you start laughing because then you'll cfen— laughing because then you'll cfen leupnfnp.— laughing because then you'll start laughing. sorry, michelle. fne— start laughing. sorry, michelle. fne puf— start laughing. sorry, michelle. fne puf en— start laughing. sorry, michelle. the put an advert— start laughing. sorry, michelle. the put an advert in cleethorpes fnef— the put an advert in cleethorpes fnef cepeec— the put an advert in cleethorpes that compares eating a battered fish that compares eating a battered ffcn fc— that compares eating a battered ffcn fc fe— that compares eating a battered fish is to eating— that compares eating a battered fish is to eating your cat. fish is to eating your pet cat. ane— fish is to eating your pet cat. and new— fish is to eating your pet cat. and now laughing about that. and now i'm laughing about that. i'm and now i'm laughing about that. fn nef— and now i'm laughing about that. fn nef leupnfne— and now i'm laughing about that. i'm not laughing about it. i'm leupnfnp— i'm not laughing about it. i'm laughing about— i'm not laughing about it. i'm laughing about something that elnecf— laughing about something that elnecf clfppel— laughing about something that almost slipped mouth. almost slipped out of my mouth. i'm almost slipped out of my mouth. fn -ff— almost slipped out of my mouth. fn -ff peck— almost slipped out of my mouth. fn-ff eecl fn. - almost slipped out of my mouth. i'm-it back in. he's- almost slipped out of my mouth. i'm it back in. 0; i'm to put it back in. he's he's nef— i'm to put it back in. he's he's not professional, though . he's not professional, though. he's not professional, though. he's not professional, though. he's not professional . look him back not professional. look him back in not professional. look him back fn e— not professional. look him back fn e nfnufe— not professional. look him back in a minute. all— not professional. look him back in a minute. all right?- look him back in a minute. all right? just leewe— in a minute. all right? just leewe ne— in a minute. all right? just leave me a second. i have you on just leave. right. listen pet cats. fish. what do you make of this? do you think we should. let's talk. they've got a point. it's got a point, peter. have

got a point. who's peter ? got a point. who's peter? fefen-c— got a point. who's peter? fefen-c fne. — got a point. who's peter? peter's the. the— got a point. who's peter? peter's the. the pet- got a point. �*fw�*“0 37�*0;3037’ peter's the. the pet cat. eat it. peter's the. the pet cat. eat ff. ffenc.— peter's the. the pet cat. eat it. right, peter— peter's the. the pet cat. eat it. right, peter of— peter's the. the pet cat. eat it. right, peter of the campaigners have got a point . campaigners have got a point. we all need to eat less meat. lleellw— we all need to eat less meat. leeellw. ne— we all need to eat less meat. ideally, no meat.— we all need to eat less meat. ideally, no meat. and we all need— ideally, no meat. and we all need fe— ideally, no meat. and we all need fe eef— ideally, no meat. and we all need to eat only— ideally, no meat. and we all need to eat only sustainable ffcn— need to eat only sustainable ffcn .— need to eat only sustainable ffcn . nfenc.— need to eat only sustainable fish. right. and— need to eat only sustainable fish. right. and if need to eat only sustainable fish . right. and if you wouldn't fish. right. and if you wouldn't eat:— fish. right. and if you wouldn't eef. ff— fish. right. and if you wouldn't eef. ff weu. — fish. right. and if you wouldn't eef. ff weu. feu— fish. right. and if you wouldn't eat, if you. you know, in the end:— eat, if you. you know, in the ene. neef— eat, if you. you know, in the end, meat eaters— eat, if you. you know, in the end, meat eaters do have to cenfnenf— end, meat eaters do have to confront the— end, meat eaters do have to confront the issue. if you're nef— confront the issue. if you're nef-fe — confront the issue. if you're nef-fe lfll— confront the issue. if you're not-to kill an- confront the issue. if you're not to kill an animal not willing to kill an animal eefene— not willing to kill an animal eefene weu— not willing to kill an animal before you eat— not willing to kill an animal before you eat it— not willing to kill an animal before you eat it , not willing to kill an animal before you eat it, you should necffefe— before you eat it, you should hesitate before _ before you eat it, you should hesitate before doing so . you hesitate before doing so. you weulln-f— hesitate before doing so. you wouldn't kill— hesitate before doing so. you wouldn't kill your pets because you wouldn't kill your pets because weu weulln-f— wouldn't kill your pets because you wouldn't-pets.- wouldn't kill your pets because you wouldn't pets. you you wouldn't eat your pets. you neellw— you wouldn't eat your pets. you neellw fnef-c— you wouldn't eat your pets. you really that's the— you wouldn't eat your pets. you really that's the advert on the fw— really that's the advert on the few fne— really that's the advert on the screen, by the way, that i'm cnewfne — screen, by the way, that i'm showing - really - screen, by the way, that i'm showing really careful showing you. really be careful efeeuf— showing you. really be careful efeeuf fne— showing you. really be careful about the idea.— showing you. really be careful about the idea. you should. we cneull— about the idea. you should. we cneulcf fee— about the idea. you should. we should be killing— about the idea. you should. we should be killing an industrial nunnencfe— should be killing an industrial numbers chickens . should be killing an industrial. numbers—chickens . so numbers cows, pigs, chickens. so i numbers cows, pigs, chickens. so lfnfnl— numbers cows, pigs, chickens. so lfnfnl fne— numbers cows, pigs, chickens. so i think the sustainable future lenenlc— i think the sustainable future demands that— i think the sustainable future demands that we eat many , many, demands that we eat many, many, nenw— demands that we eat many, many, nenw fewen— demands that we eat many, many, many fewer animals— demands that we eat many, many, many fewer animals and much, nucn— many fewer animals and much, much more vegetables , oils, much more vegetables, oils, feeenc— much more vegetables, oils, feec pulcec— much more vegetables, oils, beans, pulses, chickpeas . and beans, pulses, chickpeas. and leew— beans, pulses, chickpeas. and leel. ffc— beans, pulses, chickpeas. and look, it's they're— beans, pulses, chickpeas. and look, it's they're trying to get a look, it's they're trying to get e cnecl— look, it's they're trying to get e cnecl ene — look, it's they're trying to get a shock and a— look, it's they're trying to get a shock and a debate going. and leew— a shock and a debate going. and leel. we-ne— a shock and a debate going. and look, we're discussing it now. so look, we're discussing it now. se fn— look, we're discussing it now. se fn fne— look, we're discussing it now. so in the choice— look, we're discussing it now. so in the choice between fish ene— so in the choice between fish ene cnfpc— so in the choice between fish ene cnfpc enl— so in the choice between fish and chips and cat— so in the choice between fish and chips and cat and chips, i'd newe— and chips and cat and chips, i'd newe lenfflc— and chips and cat and chips, i'd have lentils and— and chips and cat and chips, i'd have lentils and chips, lentils

ene— have lentils and chips, lentils ene cnfpc— have lentils and chips, lentils ene cnfpc. — have lentils and chips, lentils and chips. alex,— have lentils and chips, lentils and chips. mix have lentils and chips, lentils and chips . mix ” 037 and chips. alex, your thoughts? my and chips. alex, your thoughts? my view is and chips. alex, your thoughts? elw fc fnef— and chips. alex, your thoughts? my view is that there— and chips. alex, your thoughts? my view is that there are- and chips. mix 037 my view is that there are two fnfnpc— my view is that there are two fnfnec nene— my view is that there are two things here in— my view is that there are two things here in contradiction to enefnen.— things here in contradiction to one another, and— things here in contradiction to one another, and they're both on the one another, and they're both on fne wne— one another, and they're both on fne lfnl ef— one another, and they're both on the kind of self—righteous left. it's the kind of self—righteous left. we nefnen— the kind of self—righteous left. it's rather enjoyable— the kind of self—righteous left. it's rather enjoyable seeing- it's rather enjoyable seeing them knock heads against one another. the first is arguing that we should eat less red meat because environmental because of the environmental impact and those people encourage more fish. encourage us to eat more fish. then you've got the out and out kind headbanger. as you kind of vegan headbanger. as you say. should basically eat say. we should basically eat less of everything you less of everything and you should unless you're should not eat unless you're stewing should be stewing grass. you should be content and you certainly shouldn't eat any kind of life form. it's very enjoyable form. and it's very enjoyable seeing, you know, the provisional wing of the of peta going to war with the moderates . and i've got pretty much no sympathy with either of them . i sympathy with either of them. i understand moral imperatives understand the moral imperatives that about, but that they're talking about, but in are things are in my view, those are things are up moral moral choices we up to moral moral choices we make for ourselves. and if individuals it, then individuals want to do it, then they shall. but i think people should make their minds for should make up their minds for themselves rather than being bullied images of their bullied with images of their domestic being domestic animals being skinned by mark by their choices. indeed, mark cewc.— by their choices. indeed, mark cewc—pelfce - says, i'm a serving police efffcen— says, i'm a serving police officer-years- says, i'm a serving police officer years and i am

officer of 28 years and i am lfceucfel— officer of 28 years and i am efceucfee few— officer of 28 years and i am disgusted by some of these comments . the- disgusted by some of these comments . 0.0; 0.035 comments. the police officers are constantly under attack by decisions by politician . decisions made by politician. those who then blame police for their policies. he goes on to say that some of the best officers and detectives i've ever worked with don't have degrees but rely instead on life experience. et cetera, he says. some of the worst i've ever worked with. i've recently joined . yes, they tick the joined. yes, they tick the degree box , but they lack lots degree box, but they lack lots of other things . can i suggest of other things. can i suggest this , tracy? the gentleman pops this, tracy? the gentleman pops to our local waitress or other similar stores. there he'll find many young people with huge debts. but yes , they've got a debts. but yes, they've got a degree, but it doesn't have many practical value, she says . what practical value, she says. what about improving apprenticeships in all areas? i would completely agree with you about apprenticeships. do you support apprenticeships? 75% go to unfwencffw— apprenticeships? 75% go to university, 25. _ 0“ 057 75% go to university, 25. princess. fnfncecc— university, 25. princess. princess that'd be great. university, 25. princess. - princess that'd be great. so you tune— princess that'd be great. so you tucf ce— princess that'd be great. so you run ce weu— princess that'd be great. so you run ce weu wenc— princess that'd be great. so you just so you want everyone to carry on in some form of academia as well, who's going out being entrepreneurial and creating the business that's

going to employ these degree earners think earners then? i think apprentices- earners then? i think apprentices graduates apprentices and degree graduates can apprentices and degree graduates ell— apprentices and degree graduates ell fee— apprentices and degree graduates can all be entrepreneurial . can all be entrepreneurial. wnef— can all be entrepreneurial. wnef ue— can all be entrepreneurial. we we weu— can all be entrepreneurial. what do you think- can all be entrepreneurial. 00 7 maybe can all be entrepreneurial. 30303 00 “

right? that's all i've got. time for have yourself for everybody. you have yourself a but a fantastic night. but apparently wrong. is apparently i'm wrong. it is peter not peter. see you peter and not peter. see you tomorrow, nigel farage. good evening. this is alex- w 030; 3 good evening. this is alex deakin wffn— evening. this is alex deakin wffn-lefecf— evening. this is alex deakin with latest weather update. with your latest weather update. it with your latest weather update. lf—wennen- with your latest weather update. it_warmer overi it is going to turn warmer over fne— it is going to turn warmer over fne-few— it is going to turn warmer over fne-few newc— it is going to turn warmer over the few days leading into the next few days leading into a nnee— the next few days leading into a nfxecf pfcfune— the next few days leading into a mixed picture for— the next few days leading into a mixed picture for the long weekend— mixed picture for the long. weekend—some weekend there will be some cuncnfne— weekend there will be some cuncnfne .— weekend there will be some sunshine , but— weekend there will be some sunshine , but there'll be sunshine, but there'll also be some-showers- sunshine, but there'll also be some-showers .- sunshine, but there'll also be some-showers . it- sunshine, but there'll also be some showers . it could some heavy showers. it could well— some heavy showers. it could well-cene— some heavy showers. it could well-some heavy- some heavy showers. it could well some heavy rain tomorrow well be some heavy rain tomorrow fnen— well be some heavy rain tomorrow fnen-unle— well be some heavy rain tomorrow from .little weather- well be some heavy rain tomorrow from little weather system from this little weather system pucnfne— from this little weather system pucnfne-fne- from this little weather system pushing the south—west pushing up from the south—west eneee— pushing up from the south—west eneecf ef— pushing up from the south—west eneecf ef ff.— pushing up from the south—west ahead of it. we've— pushing up from the south—west ahead of it. we've got another weefnen— ahead of it. we've got another weather front— ahead of it. we've got another weather front bringing increasing— weather front bringing increasing cloud and maybe a lfffle— increasing cloud and maybe a lfffle nfen— increasing cloud and maybe a little rain to— increasing cloud and maybe a little rain to the— increasing cloud and maybe a little rain to the north coast of little rain to the north coast ef wennenn— little rain to the north coast of northern ireland. and the wecf— of northern ireland. and the wecf ceecf— of northern ireland. and the west coast of— of northern ireland. and the west coast of scotland. by nennfnp— west coast of scotland. by morninge e— west coast of scotland. by morning, a bit— west coast of scotland. by morning, a bit of drizzle in the ceufnwecf.— morning, a bit of drizzle in the southwest, the— morning, a bit of drizzle in the southwest, the odd shower elcewnene. — southwest, the odd shower. elsewhere. _ it's elsewhere. but for most, it's a enw— elsewhere. but for most, it's a enw nfenc— elsewhere. but for most, it's a dry night. clearer— elsewhere. but for most, it's a dry night. clearer spells across the dry night. clearer spells across fne-fne— dry night. clearer spells across the-the country- dry night. clearer spells across the the country will the heart of the country will ellew— the heart of the country will ellew ff— the heart of the country will ellew ff fe — the heart of the country will allow it to turn— the heart of the country will allow it to turn quite chilly. fne— allow it to turn quite chilly. the coldest— allow it to turn quite chilly. the coldest conditions in nennenn— the coldest conditions in northern frost northern scotland where a frost is northern scotland where a frost fc eeefn— northern scotland where a frost fc epefn lflelw— northern scotland where a frost is again likely elsewhere , we'll is again likely elsewhere, we'll be is again likely elsewhere, we'll fee newn— is again likely elsewhere, we'll fee eewn fnee— is again likely elsewhere, we'll be down into single digits . so be down into single digits. so a cnfllw— be down into single digits. so a cnfllw cfen— be down into single digits. so a cnfllw cfen fe— be down into single digits. so a chilly start to thursday . we chilly start to thursday. we cneull— chilly start to thursday. we cneulcf cee— chilly start to thursday. we should see some brighter skies cenpenel— should see some brighter skies cenpenel fe— should see some brighter skies compared to today over north welec— compared to today over north welec ene— compared to today over north wales and northern england, at leecf— wales and northern england, at leecf fen— wales and northern england, at leecf fen e— wales and northern england, at least for a time,— wales and northern england, at least for a time, but generally

cleulfne— least for a time, but generally clouding over— least for a time, but generally clouding over again wet weather across scotland— clouding over again wet weather across scotland with snow on the nfllc. — across scotland with snow on the hills. although _ across scotland with snow on the hills. although the _ across scotland with snow on the hills. although the central belt wfll— hills. although the central belt wfll pnefeefelw— hills. although the central belt will probably turn drier later. ane— will probably turn drier later. and fnen— will probably turn drier later. and then this— will probably turn drier later. and then this next weather cwcfen — and then this next weather cwcfen l— and then this next weather system i talked— and then this next weather system i talked about earlier, cpneeefne— system i talked about earlier, spreading some— system i talked about earlier, spreading some outbreaks of rain into spreading some outbreaks of rain fnfe-ef— spreading some outbreaks of rain into-of england— spreading some outbreaks of rain into of england and wales into parts of england and wales , a into parts of england and wales . e lfffle— into parts of england and wales . e lfffle eff— into parts of england and wales , a little bit milder, but efeweuclw— , a little bit milder, but obviously won't feel all that nfe— obviously won't feel all that nflcf wffn— obviously won't feel all that mild with the— obviously won't feel all that mild with the rain and the fncneecfne— mild with the rain and the increasing winds and we'll see fnef— increasing winds and we'll see we nfen— increasing winds and we'll see that rain becoming more efencwe— that rain becoming more extensive through the evening. sene— extensive through the evening. some uncertainty— extensive through the evening. some uncertainty about how far nenn— some uncertainty about how far nenn-ene— some uncertainty about how far nenn-ene new- some uncertainty about how far north and how heavy it north it gets and how heavy it is. north it gets and how heavy it fc. nuf— north it gets and how heavy it fc. nuf-plecec- north it gets and how heavy it is. but places likely to is. but many places likely to cee-nefn— is. but many places likely to see-rain during- is. but many places likely to see rain during thursday see some rain during thursday nfenc— see some rain during thursday nfpnf. ane— see some rain during thursday nfpnf. ane ec— see some rain during thursday night. and as we— see some rain during thursday night. and as we head into fnfcfew— night. and as we head into fridaye weu— night. and as we head into friday, you can— night. and as we head into friday, you can see here ecfuellw— friday, you can see here ecfuellw e— friday, you can see here actually a swirl. it's an area of actually a swirl. it's an area ef lew— actually a swirl. it's an area of low pressure— actually a swirl. it's an area of low pressure that's going to edge— of low pressure that's going to edge ewew— of low pressure that's going to edge away during friday and take the edge away during friday and take fne nfen— edge away during friday and take fne wffn— edge away during friday and take the rain with it.— edge away during friday and take the rain with it. so,— edge away during friday and take the rain with it. so, yes, a temp— the rain with it. so, yes, a temp cfen— the rain with it. so, yes, a damp start for— the rain with it. so, yes, a damp start for many, but cenefnlw— damp start for many, but cenefnlw fn— damp start for many, but certainly in the west likely to fenfenfen— certainly in the west likely to fenpnfen up— certainly in the west likely to fenpnfen up en— certainly in the west likely to brighten up on friday with some cunnw— brighten up on friday with some cunnw-fecfenn— brighten up on friday with some sunny eastern areas may sunny spells. eastern areas may cfew— sunny spells. eastern areas may cnw-alum.— sunny spells. eastern areas may cfew-elunlff— sunny spells. eastern areas may stay-glum,-it will- stay a bit glum, but it will penenellw— stay a bit glum, but it will generally-drier.- stay a bit glum, but it will generally drier. still generally turn drier. still pneffw— generally turn drier. still pretty northern pretty cold in northern scotland,— pretty cold in northern scotland, elsewhere , scotland, but elsewhere, temperatures— scotland, but elsewhere, temperatures just on the rise. ane— temperatures just on the rise. wne-ef— temperatures just on the rise. wne-ef fnfc— temperatures just on the rise.j and-at this-south, and look at this in the south, 16, and look at this in the south, fe. ff.— and look at this in the south, fe. ff. fc— and look at this in the south, 16, 17, 18, maybe _ and look at this in the south, 16, 17, 18, maybe even a little nfenen— 16, 17, 18, maybe even a little nfpnen .— 16, 17, 18, maybe even a little nfpnen -we— 16, 17, 18, maybe even a little higher ,-we-somel higher, where we see some lenpfnw— higher, where we see some lengthy spelle— higher, where we see some lengthy spells of sunshine, a nnee— lengthy spells of sunshine, a nuen-fnee— lengthy spells of sunshine, a mixed-into the- lengthy spells of sunshine, a mixed into the weekend , mixed bag into the weekend, cfnen— mixed bag into the weekend, enen en—

mixed bag into the weekend, drier on saturday initially, but fnen— drier on saturday initially, but then—showers- then some heavy showers lewelepfnp— then some heavy showers developing-for- then some heavy showers developing. for all turning developing. but for all turning

good evening. well, the illegal migration bill is being debated as we speak, can suella as we speak, but can suella braverman win her battle stop braverman win her battle to stop the boats by starting deportations ? we'll try and find deportations? we'll try and find out why a record number of people are taking days off work. sick the selfish inflicted wound of vat on foreign shoppers and police numbers hit a record, but i can't see them out there on the streets, can you? we'll debate all of that in a moment. but first, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . nigel

with polly middlehurst. nigel thank you and good