good evening. well, the illegal migration bill is being debated as we speak, but can suella braverman win her to stop braverman win her battle to stop the boats by starting deportations .7 we'll try and find deportations.7 we'll try and find out why a record number of people are taking days off work. sick the selfish inflicted wound of vat on foreign shoppers and police numbers hit a record, but i can't see them out there on the streets, can you.7 we'll the streets, can you? we'll debate all of that in a moment. but first, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . nigel

with polly middlehurst. nigel thank you and good evening. the top story on gb news d g the top story on gb news tonight, the first— top story on gb news tonight, the first british— top story on gb news tonight, the first british people evacuated _ the first british people evacuated out of sudan in northeast— evacuated out of sudan in northeast africa have landed in the uk— northeast africa have landed in the uk .— northeast africa have landed in the uk . tt-e— northeast africa have landed in the uk . it's unclear how many the uk. it's unclear how many heehte— the uk. it's unclear how many heepte wee— the uk. it's unclear how many heepte eh— the uk. it's unclear how many people were on board the flight, but ht— people were on board the flight, but tt te— people were on board the flight, but it is understood more than too— but it is understood more than too peepte— but it is understood more than 300 people have— but it is understood more than 300 people have been evacuated so 300 people have been evacuated to tet— 300 people have been evacuated to he eh— 300 people have been evacuated to he on tow— 300 people have been evacuated so far on four flights, a total of so far on four flights, a total et etght— so far on four flights, a total et etght ete— so far on four flights, a total of eight are planned. it's estimated— of eight are planned. it's estimated around 4000 british peehte— estimated around 4000 british heepte wee— estimated around 4000 british people were stuck in sudan. hwhttete— people were stuck in sudan. hundreds of— people were stuck in sudan. hundreds of people have been ttttet— hundreds of people have been ttttet shee— hundreds of people have been killed since fighting between the sudanese— killed since fighting between the sudanese military and rival hetehttttew— the sudanese military and rival paramilitary forces broke out about— paramilitary forces broke out about t— paramilitary forces broke out about a fortnight ago. a 72 hour eeeeehte— about a fortnight ago. a 72 hour teeeeeht te— about a fortnight ago. a 72 hour ceasefire is currently holding , ceasefire is currently holding, but ceasefire is currently holding, hwt the— ceasefire is currently holding, but the prime— ceasefire is currently holding, but the prime minister is wethhe— but the prime minister is warning the— but the prime minister is warning the next 24 hours are thtttet— warning the next 24 hours are thtttet et— warning the next 24 hours are critical as british— warning the next 24 hours are critical as british forces race to rescue more— critical as british forces race to rescue more people left hehht.— to rescue more people left behind. one— to rescue more people left behind. one man arriving at stehetet— behind. one man arriving at stansted thanked british troops for stansted thanked british troops ttt bringing— stansted thanked british troops for bringing him— stansted thanked british troops for bringing him home. absolutely— for bringing him home. absolutely fantastic to be back. it's absolutely fantastic to be back. we just— absolutely fantastic to be back. we just tt-t— absolutely fantastic to be back. it's just it's been— absolutely fantastic to be back. it's just it's been a— absolutely fantastic to be back. it's just it's been a nightmare . i've never seen anything like this before. we saw it on

television before. we never thought it was going to happen in huffpost uk like sudan , the in huffpost uk like sudan, the khartoum is just like a ghost city. everybody is leaving khartoum now . and ever so khartoum now. and ever so grateful to the british service men and women who risked their lives to come to sudan and help us out . well the home secretary us out. well the home secretary says there are no plans to introduce safe routes for sudanese people who want to seek asylum in the uk. suella braverman insisting- " suella braverman insisting the government's priority now is teetwhe— government's priority now is rescuing british— government's priority now is rescuing british people . now the rescuing british people. now the mp, rescuing british people. now the wh wherew— rescuing british people. now the mp, andrew bridgen, has told gb wewe— mp, andrew bridgen, has told gb wewe hee— mp, andrew bridgen, has told gb wewe he-e veh— mp, andrew bridgen, has told gb news he's very disappointed that the conservative— news he's very disappointed that the conservative party has teetet— the conservative party has leaked details— the conservative party has leaked details of his expulse ettth— leaked details of his expulse ettth tttth — leaked details of his expulse ation from the— leaked details of his expulse ation from the party that hehhehet— ation from the party that heppehet th— ation from the party that happened on the 12th of april on a recommended— happened on the 12th of april on a recommended action from a ttttththe— a recommended action from a discipline panel— a recommended action from a discipline panel and it's after he questioned— discipline panel and it's after he questioned the efficacy of the town— he questioned the efficacy of the covm 19— he questioned the efficacy of the covid 19 vaccine rollout as he tetweetet— the covid 19 vaccine rollout as he retweeted a— the covid 19 vaccine rollout as he retweeted a comparison of it to the— he retweeted a comparison of it to the holocaust— he retweeted a comparison of it to the holocaust ._ he retweeted a comparison of it to the holocaust . clinical to the holocaust. clinical thete— to the holocaust. clinical trials have— to the holocaust. clinical trials have shown covid vaccines are trials have shown covid vaccines

ettetttwe— trials have shown covid vaccines are effective and— trials have shown covid vaccines are effective and safe, mr hhteeh— are effective and safe, mr bridgen said— are effective and safe, mr bridgen said he will stand again at bridgen said he will stand again et the— bridgen said he will stand again et the text— bridgen said he will stand again at the next election . the at the next election. the government _ at the next election. the government says it has met a 20th— government says it has met a 2019 manifesto— government says it has met a 2019 manifesto promise to teeth— 2019 manifesto promise to recruit 20,000 _ 2019 manifesto promise to recruit 20,000 new police tttttete— recruit 20,000 new police tttttete h— recruit 20,000 new police officers in england and in whee.— officers in england and in wetee. the— officers in england and in wales. the metropolitan police in wales. the metropolitan police th tthtth— wales. the metropolitan police th tthtth te— wales. the metropolitan police in london is the— wales. the metropolitan police in london is the only force in the— in london is the only force in the ttwhtw— in london is the only force in the ttwhtw te— in london is the only force in the country to have not reached its the country to have not reached tte thw— the country to have not reached its own individual— the country to have not reached its own individual target , its own individual target, tewhe— its own individual target, tewhg there— its own individual target, saying there about 1000 officers sheet— saying there about 1000 officers thttt .— saying there about 1000 officers thttt . the— saying there about 1000 officers short . the ongoing recruitment short. the ongoing recruitment pttgteththe— short. the ongoing recruitment httgteththe te— short. the ongoing recruitment programme is expected to cost the-s— programme is expected to cost the button— programme is expected to cost £18.5 billion over— programme is expected to cost £18.5 billion over the next tetete— £18.5 billion over the next tetete .— £18.5 billion over the next decade . both— £18.5 billion over the next decade . both the police decade. both the police federation _ decade. both the police federation and the labour party say federation and the labour party set there— federation and the labour party tew thete ee— federation and the labour party say there are fewer police tttttett— say there are fewer police officers per— say there are fewer police officers per head of population theh— officers per head of population now than there _ officers per head of population now than there were in 2010. now the high— now than there were in 2010. now the high court— now than there were in 2010. now the high court has— now than there were in 2010. now the high court has today heard a ttetth— the high court has today heard a ttetth thet— the high court has today heard a claim that the— the high court has today heard a claim that the king and queen tthtttt-e— claim that the king and queen consort's phone— claim that the king and queen consort's phone calls were htettehtet— consort's phone calls were intercepted by— consort's phone calls were intercepted by the publisher of the intercepted by the publisher of the set— intercepted by the publisher of the sun newspaper in the 1990s. the— the sun newspaper in the 1990s. the hete— the sun newspaper in the 1990s. the duke et— the sun newspaper in the 1990s. the duke of sussex— the sun newspaper in the 1990s. the duke of sussex made the etteeettth— the duke of sussex made the etteeettth th— the duke of sussex made the allegation in his— the duke of sussex made the allegation in his claim against newe— allegation in his claim against new teeth— allegation in his claim against news group newspapers. he's tethe— news group newspapers. he's tehe them— news group newspapers. he's suing them over— news group newspapers. he's suing them over what he alleges

is suing them over what he alleges te whtewtwt— suing them over what he alleges is unlawful information eethehhe— is unlawful information gathering stories allegedly hwhttehet— gathering stories allegedly published in— gathering stories allegedly published in the sun newspaper. as published in the sun newspaper. at e— published in the sun newspaper. at e tetwtt— published in the sun newspaper. at e tetwtt et— published in the sun newspaper. as a result of those headlines tet— as a result of those headlines tet te— as a result of those headlines tet tt het— as a result of those headlines led to heir to— as a result of those headlines led to heir to the— as a result of those headlines led to heir to the throne and the— led to heir to the throne and the thtthteht— led to heir to the throne and the midnight caller splashes . the midnight caller splashes. whtte— the midnight caller splashes. whtte the— the midnight caller splashes. while the hearing is expected to tthtth— while the hearing is expected to finish tomorrow— while the hearing is expected to finish tomorrow and the king and tween— finish tomorrow and the king and tween tthtttt— finish tomorrow and the king and queen consort have unveiled the tteee— queen consort have unveiled the tee tet— queen consort have unveiled the tee tet tet— queen consort have unveiled the stage set for this— queen consort have unveiled the stage set for this year's eurovision_ stage set for this year's eurovision song contest . the eurovision song contest. the ttwett— eurovision song contest. the ttwett tweet— eurovision song contest. the royals turned on _ eurovision song contest. the royals turned on the lights ettwettw— royals turned on the lights ettwettw et— royals turned on the lights actually at liverpool arena hettte— actually at liverpool arena before being _ actually at liverpool arena before being given a behind the scenes tour. charles told the wt-t— scenes tour. charles told the mt entw— scenes tour. charles told the mt ehttw wee— scenes tour. charles told the uk's entry mae muller he'd be eggin9_ uk's entry mae muller he'd be egging het— uk's entry mae muller he'd be egging het — uk's entry mae muller he'd be egging her on. the competition wttt— egging her on. the competition wttt tete— egging her on. the competition will take place— egging her on. the competition will take place a— egging her on. the competition will take place a week after his tttthettth. — will take place a week after his coronation. the— will take place a week after his coronation. the uk— will take place a week after his coronation. the uk was chosen to hott— coronation. the uk was chosen to httt the— coronation. the uk was chosen to host the contest— coronation. the uk was chosen to host the contest on— coronation. the uk was chosen to host the contest on behalf of whethe— host the contest on behalf of ukraine. you're— host the contest on behalf of ukraine. you're up to date on tv , tethe— ukraine. you're up to date on tv ,o..tt..e, nett— ukraine. you're up to date on tv , online, dab+ radio and on the tune— , online, dab+ radio and on the tune th— , online, dab+ radio and on the the th eeh.— , online, dab+ radio and on the the th eeh. thtt— , online, dab+ radio and on the tune in app. this is— , online, dab+ radio and on the tune in app. this is gb news, httteth-t— tune in app. this is gb news, britain's news— tune in app. this is gb news, britain's news ._

britain's news. channel teet— britain's news. channel good evening. �*ftt�*tzge britain's news. channel- good evening. well, the illegal migration bill has been debated all afternoon in parliament and is being voted on as we speak. and it's very interesting leading up to this debate and vote how the language has changed significantly. i told you yesterday about robert jenrick tone and overnight suella braverman has made it very clear that some of those coming into this country have values that are at odds with us and our society and that it's leading to an increase level of criminality . now, leading to an increase level of criminality. now, i leading to an increase level of criminality . now, i believe both criminality. now, i believe both of those things to be true. that doesn't mean i've ever suggested that everyone coming is a bad person, but too many bad people are being allowed in. but the tone of the language is something we don't expect really to see from british governments, which i guess shows you the depths of the problem that they're in. so the stated aim of this bill is that those who come illegally into the united

kingdom can be deported. they will not be allowed to lodge a claim for asylum. so it sounds pretty tough. it sounds like red meat for the red wall, but there are many saying this would be in conflict with our international obugafions conflict with our international obligations and in particular with our signatory to the european convention on human rights. so joe, will suella win in this battle? give me your view . farage at gb news in this battle? give me your view. farage at gb news .uk. let's go straight to college. green and be joined by our political editor , darren darren political editor, darren darren mccaffrey . darren darren i'm mccaffrey. darren darren i'm struck that i know there are people like theresa may tim loughton saying, look, we need protection for under eighteens . protection for under eighteens. of course, that's if they're genuine under 18 seconds. we need to be careful about those that perhaps are being trafficked into the country against their will. but it seems

is that actually there's a relative level of unity within the conservative party around this legislation. you've been watching it all afternoon. what's your impression ? yeah what's your impression? yeah indeed. and that is going to be tettetteet— indeed. and that is going to be tettettet, t— indeed. and that is going to be reflected, i think,— 3: and that is going to be reflected, i think, nigel, in the— reflected, i think, nigel, in the vete— reflected, i think, nigel, in the vote th— reflected, i think, nigel, in the vote in what, the next ttwhte— the vote in what, the next ttwhte et— the vote in what, the next couple of minutes or so. and thteet— couple of minutes or so. and thteet th— couple of minutes or so. and indeed in the— couple of minutes or so. and indeed in the fact that the government— indeed in the fact that the government is— indeed in the fact that the government is not looking at any we— government is not looking at any type et— government is not looking at any type of rebellion— government is not looking at any type of rebellion tonight. and thet— type of rebellion tonight. and that-because— type of rebellion tonight. and that because many of those that is because many of those ethehtthehtt— that is because many of those amendments could that is because many of those- amendments-could-been amendments that could have been put tttwett— amendments that could have been put tttwett tw— amendments that could have been put forward by backbenchers are ttthhtw— put forward by backbenchers are ttthptw htt— put forward by backbenchers are ttthptw not going— put forward by backbenchers are simply not going to happen at thtt— simply not going to happen at thtt evening-— simply not going to happen at this evening. now, there are wttet— this evening. now, there are votes-different- votes on five different amendments so most of votes on five different— amendments so-most of them amendments so far. most of them hete— amendments so far. most of them hewe teet— amendments so far. most of them have been rejected.— amendments so far. most of them have been rejected. that's hetewte— have been rejected. that's- because _forward because they've been put forward by_-_ because they've been put forward tw—. ahe- because they've been put forward tw—. aht et- by the labour party. and as i say— by the labour party. and as i tew th— by the labour party. and as i tew th the— by the labour party. and as i say on the main— by the labour party. and as i say on the main subject of the ht,— say on the main subject of the ht, the — say on the main subject of the bill, the third— say on the main subject of the bill, the third reading, we are expettthe— bill, the third reading, we are expecting that— bill, the third reading, we are expecting that to pass and then it expecting that to pass and then tt wttt— expecting that to pass and then tt wttt ping— expecting that to pass and then it will ping over— expecting that to pass and then it will ping over to the house of it will ping over to the house tt ttttt— it will ping over to the house tt ttttt. at— it will ping over to the house of lords. as you— it will ping over to the house of lords. as you say, a few thtetettthe— of lords. as you say, a few interesting things today. first of interesting things today. first tt—ttte— interesting things today. first of_like theresa. interesting things today. first. of_like theresa may, of all, people like theresa may, teth— of all, people like theresa may, teth-sthtth— of all, people like theresa may, iain-smith, two- of all, people like theresa may, iain smith, two former iain duncan smith, two former teetett— iain duncan smith, two former teetett et— iain duncan smith, two former leaders, of course,— iain duncan smith, two former leaders, of course, spoke out ewtte—tthel leaders, of course, spoke out quite—some the quite strongly about some of the whthtehtet— unintended consequences pttehttettw— potentially of this fail, particularly— potentially of this fail, - particularly-modern particularly around modern thew.— particularly around modern ttewew. we— particularly around modern slavery. we know that tim ttwehtth— slavery. we know that tim loughton has—

slavery. we know that tim loughton has raised concerns ehtwt— loughton has raised concerns ehtwt thtt— loughton has raised concerns about child refugees potentially tethe— about child refugees potentially hethe hete— about child refugees potentially being hett th— about child refugees potentially being held in detention and for how— being held in detention and for how tote.— being held in detention and for how the. ahe— being held in detention and for how long. and we— being held in detention and for how long. and we know on the ether— how long. and we know on the other the— how long. and we know on the other side of— how long. and we know on the other side of the— how long. and we know on the other side of the argument, if you— other side of the argument, if you he,— other side of the argument, if you he, te— other side of the argument, if you he, to e— other side of the argument, if you like, to a degree, some conservatives— you like, to a degree, some conservatives have been uneasy thet— conservatives have been uneasy thet the— conservatives have been uneasy that the government is not tethe— that the government is not taking-enough- that the government is not taking enough line that the government is not- taking-enough line when taking a tough enough line when it taking a tough enough line when tt ttthet— taking a tough enough line when tt tt— taking a tough enough line when it comes to the— taking a tough enough line when it comes to the european court of it comes to the european court tt hwheh— it comes to the european court of human rights— it comes to the european court of human rights .— it comes to the european court of human rights . all in all, of human rights. all in all, whet— of human rights. all in all, what government what the government have ettetttwetw— what the government have i effectively _ said. effectively done today is said. we-we—wtw-we- effectively done today is said. wewetw-w—we ettl effectively done today is said. we've—you've got to we've heard what you've got to tew. — we've heard what you've got to tew.-ttttehthe— we've heard what you've got to say.-listening to- we've heard what you've got to say. listening to and say. we're listening to you. and you— say. we're listening to you. and we thew— say. we're listening to you. and you know-behind- say. we're listening to you. and you know behind closed you know what? behind closed ttet— you know what? behind closed tttttlwttt— you know what? behind closed ttttthttt tw— you know what? behind closed doors, will try and bring in doors, we will try and bring in tt— doors, we will try and bring in tt yew— doors, we will try and bring in some of your concerns as this httett— some of your concerns as this process continues.— some of your concerns as this process continues. and that's why— process continues. and that's why we — process continues. and that's why we ttth-t— process continues. and that's why we didn't see any amendments or thteet— why we didn't see any amendments or indeed rebellions— why we didn't see any amendments or indeed rebellions put forward tthteht— or indeed rebellions put forward tthteht .— or indeed rebellions put forward tthteht , et— or indeed rebellions put forward tthteht , et wee— or indeed rebellions put forward tonight, as you say, in relation tonight, as you say, in relation to the— tonight, as you say, in relation to the european— tonight, as you say, in relation to the european court of human ttehtt— to the european court of human tttghtt. aeeth— to the european court of human rights. again, fascinating in tetht— rights. again, fascinating in tetht tt— rights. again, fascinating in terms of the— rights. again, fascinating in terms of the language being used at terms of the language being used .t-momem,_ terms of the language being used at-moment, the— terms of the language being used at moment, the government's at the moment, the government's htttttth— at the moment, the government's position effectively— at the moment, the government's position effectively is that thew— position effectively is that thew-thtt- position effectively is that they-thinklis- position effectively is that- they-thinklis necessary they don't think it is necessary to wtthttew— they don't think it is necessary to withdraw from _ they don't think it is necessary to withdraw from the european ttwt— to withdraw from the europeani ttwt—thtweh court of human rights, though shette— court of human rights, though teeth—the- court of human rights, though suella—the home. suella braverman the home settetetw— suella braverman the home secretary, when _ suella braverman the home secretary, when asked this secretary, when asked about this tttew— secretary, when asked about this tttew-het— secretary, when asked about this today, her personal today, said that her personal wewt— today, said that her personal wewt-wett— today, said that her personal views well documented on views were well documented on the ttte— views were well documented on the .— views were well documented on the , we— views were well documented on the issue , i.e, hint,— views were well documented on the issue , i.e, hint, hint, you the issue, i.e, hint, hint, you thew— the issue, i.e, hint, hint, you knew wheth— the issue, i.e, hint, hint, you know what? that's all i want to th— know what? that's all i want to tth htt— know what? that's all i want to see. i'm not sure— know what? that's all i want to see. i'm not sure how that does for see. i'm not sure how that does ttt tehthet— see. i'm not sure how that does

for cabinet collective responsibility. and also, as you teth— responsibility. and also, as you tettlteheweee— responsibility. and also, as you said,-language is- responsibility. and also, as you said, language is toughened said, the language is toughened up said, the language is toughened whlthe— said, the language is toughened whlthe tett— said, the language is toughened whlthe tett 2a— said, the language is toughened up the last 24 hours or so. up in the last 24 hours or so. tttett— up in the last 24 hours or so. robert jenrick_ up in the last 24 hours or so. robert jenrick yesterday say tettthe—he- robert jenrick yesterday say talking he thought talking about how he thought uncontrolled— talking about how he thought uncontrolled migration would tehhthet— uncontrolled migration would cannibal compassion cannibal lies, compassion in thtt— cannibal lies, compassion in thtt ttwhtw— cannibal lies, compassion in thtt ttwhtw .— cannibal lies, compassion in this country , suella braverman this country, suella braverman tttew— this country, suella braverman tttew saying— this country, suella braverman today saying that— this country, suella braverman today saying that she thought thet— today saying that she thought that migrants— today saying that she thought that migrants getting involved in that migrants getting involved th treet— that migrants getting involved th drugs ett— that migrants getting involved in drugs and violent crime is at tett— in drugs and violent crime is at ttet-httttth— in drugs and violent crime is at odds british values. now, odds with british values. now, there— odds with british values. now, there ee— odds with british values. now, there are clearly— odds with british values. now, there are clearly a lot of thtttttth — there are clearly a lot of criticism of— there are clearly a lot of criticism of this bill from the ohhtttttth— criticism of this bill from the opposition labour thinks it's thhtht— opposition labour thinks it's immoral.-point- opposition labour thinks it's immoral. point out opposition labour thinks it's- immoral.-point out the immoral. they will point out the thththetttw— criminality existed before htetehtt— criminality existed before migrants started arriving in thete— migrants started arriving in these shores. _ migrants started arriving in these shores. certainly in small htett— these shores. certainly in small htett. het— these shores. certainly in small boats. but the— these shores. certainly in small boats. but the government will be boats. but the government will he hteetet— boats. but the government will be pleased that— boats. but the government will be pleased that so far this is going— be pleased that so far this is. ethe—htettw going through parliament pretty eetttw.— going through parliament pretty eetttw. there— going through parliament pretty easily. there will— going through parliament pretty easily. there will be a big hettte— easily. there will be a big hettte th— easily. there will be a big battle in the— easily. there will be a big battle in the lords, but it's a hettte— battle in the lords, but it's a hettte t— battle in the lords, but it's a battle | think.— battle in the lords, but it's a battle i think. nigel, the government— battle i think. nigel, the government will quite relish. veeh— government will quite relish. veeh-ththt— government will quite relish. yeah think that's yeah no, i think that's absolutely— yeah no, i think that's absolutely right . egg, yeah no, i think that's absolutely right . "a; yeah no, i think that's- absolutely right . they want to absolutely right. they want to thew— absolutely right. they want to show people they're on their side, especially in the red wall. mccaffrey thank you wall. darren mccaffrey thank you very indeed. and so is very much indeed. and so it is this question, this real question compatibilitywith question of compatibility with our international obligations that i want to discuss with paul turner, head of chambers and immigration barrister at imperium chambers . paul, you

imperium chambers. paul, you know , you can see what the know, you can see what the legislation says and we discuss the political reasons why it's being done . if this legislation being done. if this legislation , which will go through the third reading tonight and let's say it goes through the house of lords , would this legislation be lords, would this legislation be compatible bill with our international obligations is no. and the secretary of state in is teth— and the secretary of state in is twttw ewee— and the secretary of state in is fully tt— and the secretary of state in is fully aware of that— and the secretary of state in is fully aware of that before any httt— fully aware of that before any httt tt— fully aware of that before any httt tt het— fully aware of that before any bill is put before— fully aware of that before any bill is put before parliament, there— bill is put before parliament, thete tt— bill is put before parliament, thete tt eh— bill is put before parliament, there is an obligation action under— there is an obligation action enter the— there is an obligation action under the human rights act, whtth— under the human rights act, whtth wet— under the human rights act, which was brought in 1998 for the minister— which was brought in 1998 for the minister to— which was brought in 1998 for the minister to say whether the act the minister to say whether the att tt— the minister to say whether the act is compatible— the minister to say whether the act is compatible with the human tttehtt— act is compatible with the human tttehtt att— act is compatible with the human tttghtt att tt— act is compatible with the human rights act or with— act is compatible with the human rights act or with the echr and just rights act or with the echr and tett tt— rights act or with the echr and tett to he— rights act or with the echr and just to be clear,— rights act or with the echr and just to be clear, just to be tteet— just to be clear, just to be tteet ttt— just to be clear, just to be clear, for our— just to be clear, just to be clear, for our viewers and ttttehett— clear, for our viewers and listeners, the— clear, for our viewers and listeners, the human rights act was where we basically incorporated - was where we basically incorporated the european convention— incorporated the european convention into british tony etet— convention into british tony blair bringing— convention into british tony blair bringing human rights heme.— blair bringing human rights htthe. tt— blair bringing human rights home. it was— blair bringing human rights home. it was a— blair bringing human rights home. it was a slogan. they love a home. it was a slogan. they love e ttteeh— home. it was a slogan. they love e tttgeh nth-t— home. it was a slogan. they love a slogan, don't they? so in it, there— a slogan, don't they? so in it, there tt— a slogan, don't they? so in it, there tt eh— a slogan, don't they? so in it, there is an obligation for the ththtttet— there is an obligation for the minister who— there is an obligation for the minister who introduces it to say— minister who introduces it to tew whether— minister who introduces it to say whether or— minister who introduces it to say whether or not the law law

thet— say whether or not the law law thet thew-re — say whether or not the law law that they're proposing is compatible— that they're proposing is compatible with our obligations. a twtheeh— compatible with our obligations. a european under— compatible with our obligations. a european under the echr , she a european under the echr, she whehte— a european under the echr, she whehte tt— a european under the echr, she was unable to say— a european under the echr, she was unable to say that . and it was unable to say that. and it is was unable to say that. and it tt tett— was unable to say that. and it tt tett thet— was unable to say that. and it is said that she— was unable to say that. and it is said that she is— was unable to say that. and it is said that she is has been etwtet— is said that she is has been advised and— is said that she is has been advised and that that the there is advised and that that the there tt e— advised and that that the there is a more than— advised and that that the there is a more than 50% chance that the tew— is a more than 50% chance that the tew tt— is a more than 50% chance that the law is incompatible with our tettheeh— the law is incompatible with our european obligations. now there-t— european obligations. now there-t e— european obligations. now there's a lot— european obligations. now there's a lot of— european obligations. now there's a lot of smoke and mirrors and— there's a lot of smoke and mirrors and talk about it and as heett— mirrors and talk about it and as we've heard from _ mirrors and talk about it and as we've heard from the political ttte,— we've heard from the political ttte, thew-we— we've heard from the political side, they've ramped up the wtwthet— side, they've ramped up the wtwthet .— side, they've ramped up the volume . but— side, they've ramped up the volume . but it's— side, they've ramped up the volume . but it's interesting volume. but it's interesting thet— volume. but it's interesting thet wee-we— volume. but it's interesting that you've we've seen today thttwtwett— that you've we've seen today individuals such— that you've we've seen today individuals such as sir geoffrey cox individuals such as sir geoffrey tte et— individuals such as sir geoffrey tte ttt tt— individuals such as sir geoffrey tte ttt tt ht,— individuals such as sir geoffrey cox qc or kc, a— individuals such as sir geoffrey cox qc or kc, a former attorney generate — cox qc or kc, a former attorney gehetet, ett— cox qc or kc, a former attorney general, and he— cox qc or kc, a former attorney general, and he raised a valid httht— general, and he raised a valid httht .— general, and he raised a valid pttht . the— general, and he raised a valid point . the under— general, and he raised a valid point . the under the general, and he raised a valid point. the under the echr one ehhtw— point. the under the echr one ehptw ttt— point. the under the echr one can apply for what's called an thtwhtttth— can apply for what's called an thtehtttth e— can apply for what's called an injunction, a rule— can apply for what's called an injunction, a rule 39 application,- injunction, a rule 39 application, an and the echr wttt— application, an and the echr wttt ewe— application, an and the echr wttt ewe eh— application, an and the echr will give an indicator nation thet— will give an indicator nation that indication— will give an indicator nation that indication is not legally binding— that indication is not legally binding .— that indication is not legally hthtthg . the— that indication is not legally binding . the government can binding. the government can

ttttt— binding. the government can still remove— binding. the government can still remove the— binding. the government can still remove the person . there still remove the person. there is still remove the person. there tt htththe— still remove the person. there tt htththe h.— still remove the person. there is nothing in. there is no need for is nothing in. there is no need ttt thtt— is nothing in. there is no need for this legislation that the government— for this legislation that the government can. : government can. so why would the. so what happened? i mean, last year there was a plane on the tarmac about to send a few people off to rwanda. and at 10:00 at night, an unnamed so—called judge in strasbourg 10:00 at night, an unnamed so—ceno,j judge in strasbourg 10:00 at night, an unnamed so—ceno,j juccan't strasbourg 10:00 at night, an unnamed so—ceno,j juccan't do 'asbourg 10:00 at night, an unnamed so—ceno,j juccan't do ittbourg 10:00 at night, an unnamed so—ceno,j juccan't do it nowg 10:00 at night, an unnamed so—ceno,j juccan't do it now . says, no, you can't do it now. and that's what suella braverman is to overcome. i think is trying to overcome. i think the ptthteth— is trying to overcome. i think the problem is,— is trying to overcome. i think the problem is, is— is trying to overcome. i think the problem is, is in- g f i think the problem is, is in reality, there— the problem is, is in reality, there .— the problem is, is in reality, there , the— the problem is, is in reality, there , the plane- the problem is, is in reality, there , the plane that was on the there, the plane that was on the tet— there, the plane that was on the tet ett— there, the plane that was on the tarmac and i'm— there, the plane that was on the tarmac and i'm not— there, the plane that was on the tarmac and i'm not quite sure whether— tarmac and i'm not quite sure whether tt— tarmac and i'm not quite sure whether it was— tarmac and i'm not quite sure whether it was 50— tarmac and i'm not quite sure whether it was 50 or 60 people thet— whether it was 50 or 60 people thet thew— whether it was 50 or 60 people thet they hoped— whether it was 50 or 60 people that they hoped to _ whether it was 50 or 60 people that they hoped to get on the htehe, — that they hoped to get on the htehe, the— that they hoped to get on the plane, the vast— that they hoped to get on the plane, the vast majority, i ththt— plane, the vast majority, i ththt to— plane, the vast majority, i ththt to tt— plane, the vast majority, i think 30 or 40— plane, the vast majority, i think 30 or 40 people, if not more, were taken— think 30 or 40 people, if not more, were taken off by uk teteet— more, were taken off by uk tetget et— more, were taken off by uk judges as under— more, were taken off by uk judges as under uk laws , and judges as under uk laws, and thet— judges as under uk laws, and thet there— judges as under uk laws, and that there were _ judges as under uk laws, and that there were only about 2 or 3 that there were only about 2 or t petite— that there were only about 2 or t hetpte tett— that there were only about 2 or 3 people left on— that there were only about 2 or 3 people left on the plane when the ttht— 3 people left on the plane when the tthtt thew— 3 people left on the plane when the echr okay . _ 3 people left on the plane when the echr okay . the echr okay. so those that were taken off by uk judges under uk law now now would not be taken off if this legislation goes through well, although each case is specific, i know i think it's valid . the question raised it's valid. the question raised is it's valid. the question raised tt wette— it's valid. the question raised tt wettt, het— it's valid. the question raised is valid, but the— e t: the question raised is valid, but the issue is again teteh—

is valid, but the issue is again teteh ttt— is valid, but the issue is again teteh ttt tt— is valid, but the issue is again taken off to where? because the whtte — taken off to where? because the whtte tweete— taken off to where? because the whole rwanda policy is in the court— whole rwanda policy is in the ttwt tt— whole rwanda policy is in the court of appeal,— whole rwanda policy is in the court of appeal, it hasn't yet teet— court of appeal, it hasn't yet been heett— court of appeal, it hasn't yet been heard yet— court of appeal, it hasn't yet been heard yet in the court of appet— been heard yet in the court of appeet. ahe— been heard yet in the court of appeal. and there's every ptttthttttw— appeal. and there's every possibility that if the government loses, that they will tete — government loses, that they will tete tt— government loses, that they will tete tt tt — government loses, that they will tete tt to the— government loses, that they will take it to the supreme court. ahe— take it to the supreme court. ahtlthe— take it to the supreme court. and the applicants lose, and if the applicants lose, thew-tt— and if the applicants lose, thew-tt tete— and if the applicants lose, they'll take it— and if the applicants lose, they'll take it to the supreme ttwt. — they'll take it to the supreme ttwt. lteettw— they'll take it to the supreme court. .really, we- they'll take it to the supreme court. really, we have court. so really, we have a ttetwt— court. so really, we have a ttetwt th— court. so really, we have a status in this— court. so really, we have a status in this situation where the heme— status in this situation where the home office— status in this situation where the home office are . and the the home office are. and the tent— the home office are. and the they t— the home office are. and the irony t wtwtt— the home office are. and the irony i would say— the home office are. and the irony i would say is they call it irony i would say is they call tt the— irony i would say is they call it the illegal— irony i would say is they call it the illegal migration bill hetewte— it the illegal migration bill hetewte ehw— it the illegal migration bill because any lawyer would say it's because any lawyer would say tt-t htethtw— because any lawyer would say it's plainly illegal. it's ridiculous.— it's plainly illegal. it's ridiculous. it- it's plainly illegal. it's ridiculous. it it they are twthe— ridiculous. it it they are twthg tt— ridiculous. it it they are trying to legislate their way tet— trying to legislate their way tet tt. — trying to legislate their way tet tt. het— trying to legislate their way out of. but there is a real htthteth. — out of. but there is a real problem. well,- out of. but there is a real problem. �*ftt�*tzge ”cl out of. but there is a real problem. �*ftt�*tzge ”c: q g out of. but there is a real- problem. well, they're trying to show the voting public. they're trying. i think that's what they're trying to do. but paul, you know, if doing what we want and doing what a majority democratic position supports , democratic position supports, it's and i think the brexit vote and an 80 seat majority make it very clear that they wanted our government to control the

borders and do what they have to do. if there is a democratic mandate to do this. and that's an important point. if our international obligations ones conflict with that , it then conflict with that, it then surely the logic is we change our international obligations by leaving echr well, our international obligations by leaving echr well , there's no leaving echr well, there's no need to leave the echr if you process the asylum claims quickly, there's a backlog of about 166 asylum claims , 1000 about 166 asylum claims, 1000 166,000, and it's increased by 5% over the last few months . so 5% over the last few months. so it's easy to focus on this legislation— it's easy to focus on this legislation as- it's easy to focus on this legislation as if they can tegtttete— legislation as if they can legislate themselves out of teeth.— legislate themselves out of trouble. last— legislate themselves out of trouble. last year, i think it th— trouble. last year, i think it was in about— trouble. last year, i think it was in about june, they made it a was in about june, they made it e tttththet— was in about june, they made it a criminal offence— was in about june, they made it a criminal offence to enter the ttwhtw— a criminal offence to enter the country illegally— a criminal offence to enter the country illegally .— a criminal offence to enter the country illegally . 45,000 people country illegally. 45,000 people ehtetet— country illegally. 45,000 people entered the— country illegally. 45,000 people entered the country illegally . entered the country illegally. we entered the country illegally. we tt— entered the country illegally. we tt thet,— entered the country illegally. we of that, you'll be surprised to thew,— we of that, you'll be surprised to know wteet— we of that, you'll be surprised to know, nigel only 100 were htttetwte — to know, nigel only 100 were prosecute covid. _ to know, nigel only 100 were prosecute covid. it doesn't send meth— prosecute covid. it doesn't send thwth tt— prosecute covid. it doesn't send thwth tt e— prosecute covid. it doesn't send much of a message— prosecute covid. it doesn't send much of a message so you can teetttete— much of a message so you can teetttete et— much of a message so you can legislate as much— much of a message so you can legislate as much as you want to. legislate as much as you want tt. ththet— legislate as much as you want to. things when— legislate as much as you want to. things when you've got these ett— to. things when you've got these end where — to. things when you've got these end where t— to. things when you've got these and where. i think— to. things when you've got these and where. i think suella braverman has- and where. i think suella braverman has made a huge error is braverman has made a huge error tt the— braverman has made a huge error tt the het— braverman has made a huge error tt the het ewee— braverman has made a huge error is she has given herself a duty

to teteth— is she has given herself a duty to detain and— is she has given herself a duty to detain and remove the people. she-t— to detain and remove the people. she-t thpttthe— to detain and remove the people. she-t thpttthg e— to detain and remove the people. she's imposing a duty on hetteth— she's imposing a duty on herself. now— she's imposing a duty on herself. now the question is if the estimated— herself. now the question is if the estimated 80,000 people arrive , where— the estimated 80,000 people arrive , where are— the estimated 80,000 people arrive , where are they going to arrive, where are they going to put— arrive, where are they going to put them— arrive, where are they going to put them t— arrive, where are they going to put them? i mean, they could put them — put them? i mean, they could put them th— put them? i mean, they could put them th wetter— put them? i mean, they could put them in napier barracks where thew— them in napier barracks where they put— them in napier barracks where they put them— them in napier barracks where they put them before, which was run they put them before, which was tw— they put them before, which was by e— they put them before, which was tw e phwete— they put them before, which was run by a private company which ttwht— run by a private company which ttwht tt— run by a private company which was found to be— run by a private company which was found to be people held ttteeetw— was found to be people held tttegettw tt— was found to be people held tttegettw tt .— was found to be people held illegally or , or,— was found to be people held illegally or , or, or i'll finish illegally or, or, or i'll finiin on illegally or, or, or i'll finish on thtt— illegally or, or, or i'll finish on this point. _ illegally or, or, or i'll finish on this point. �*vw�*tz; ctr» illegally or, or, or i'll finish on this point. �*vw�*tz; ztzzt on this point. we just do what the australians did. we say, to hell with our international obugafions hell with our international obligations and they towed them back to indonesia. maybe that's what have to do. what we're going to have to do. well, what do you know? there's a well, what do you know? there's e h— well, what do you know? there's a compromise there— well, what do you know? there's a compromise there and nigel and teeth— a compromise there and nigel and really looking— a compromise there and nigel and really looking-is,— a compromise there and nigel and really looking-is, is- really looking at it is, is i hettewe— really looking at it is, is i believe promised the french believe we promised the french soo— believe we promised the french too httttth— believe we promised the french 500 million. mean, as i say, 500 million. i mean, as i say, we-we-the— 500 million. i mean, as i say, we've-the round- 500 million. i mean, as i say, we've-the round as- 500 million. i mean, as i say, we've the round as 120 we've given the round as 120 httttth— we've given the round as 120 million. we've— we've given the round as 120 million. we've given 500 million to the— million. we've given 500 million to the tenth.— million. we've given 500 million to the french. we've got what's tettet— to the french. we've got what's called juxtaposed— to the french. we've got what's called juxtaposed immigration tthtttt— called juxtaposed immigration control. anyone— called juxtaposed immigration control. anyone that's been the— control. anyone that's been across the channel knows that you— across the channel knows that you get— across the channel knows that you get checked— across the channel knows that you get checked by the french ett— you get checked by the french eht theteht— you get checked by the french and england checked by the thettth— and england checked by the thgttth th— and england checked by the english in france. why don't we engliin in france. why don't we put english in france. why don't we put the— english in france. why don't we put the centres— english in france. why don't we put the centres france ? we're put the centres in france? we're giving— put the centres in france? we're giving the— put the centres in france? we're giving the french— put the centres in france? we're giving the french all the money.

why— giving the french all the money. whw ttt-t— giving the french all the money. why tth-t we— giving the french all the money. why don't we just— giving the french all the money. why don't we just build the tehttete— why don't we just build the centres? their— why don't we just build the centres? their process, the ttettht— centres? their process, the claims . france - centres? their process, the claims france anyone, claims in france and anyone, ehwthe— claims in france and anyone, ehwthe th— claims in france and anyone, anyone in english channel in anyone in the engliin channel in anyone in the english channel in e-eett— anyone in the english channel in e-eett teteh— anyone in the english channel in e-eett teteh tt- anyone in the english channel in a gets taken to centre a dinghy gets taken to a centre in a dinghy gets taken to a centre th-eht— a dinghy gets taken to a centre th-eht theh— a dinghy gets taken to a centre in-and then they- a dinghy gets taken to a centre in and then they can have in france and then they can have thet— in france and then they can have thett ttettht— in france and then they can have their claims processed and twttettwtt — their claims processed and successful. they come successful. they can come to the uk, — successful. they can come to the ue,_t..dtng_ successful. they can come to the ue,_t..ttng th- successful. they can come to the uk,-landing on the. uk, stop them landing on the there— uk, stop them landing on the there th— uk, stop them landing on the shore in this— uk, stop them landing on the shore in this country. �*vw�*tz; shore in this country. we may tett— shore in this country. we may tett teet— shore in this country. we may tett ttet-tt— shore in this country. we may just deal it. paul turner, just deal with it. paul turner, thank you. and you can see it is a complex debate, but it's a really important one. and it's something that could cost something that really could cost the next the conservatives the next general in moment, general election. in a moment, please , at numbers. well, please, at record numbers. well, that sounds like great news, but don't seem to see any of them in a minute , i'll and find out a minute, i'll try and find out why

thresholds for people coming to this thresholds for people coming to thtt ttwhtw. — thresholds for people coming to thtt ttwhtw. t— thresholds for people coming to this country. i you're listening to .— this country. iyou're listening to . th— this country. i you're listening to . eh wewt. — this country. i you're listening to . gb news. �*ftt�*tzge ” to. gb news. well, some of your thoughts can suella win this battle. one viewer says of course not. just like with brexit, there are too many people who will get in her way. i think you mean by that. the lefty lawyers , ian says suella lefty lawyers, ian says suella might win in parliament, but by

the time the unelected lords , the time the unelected lords, unelected civil service and unelected civil service and unelected judges are finished with it, it'll be a victory in name only. just like brexit. ian, you cynic and sue says no chance. it's time to leave the echr sue that's what i think as well. but we'd be told that if well. but we'd be told that if we did, we'd be an international pariah. now, at 930 this morning, a tweet went out from our prime minister. gosh he was really, really pleased with himself because the 2019 manifesto commitment to increase the number of police officers by 20,000in england, wales has been met at. wow. he seemed so happy with it. but my initial gut reaction was really where are they ? i haven't seen them. oh, they? i haven't seen them. oh, i see them in cars driving around. i don't normally sitting on the side of the motorway to make sure you're complying with the speed limit, but i don't see them on the streets. i see no evidence that police numbers are

now at record levels . us in the now at record levels. us in the last three years in england and wales, they've recruited 46,000 new police, which means 26,000 have left. we're joining me now is donna jones, conservative police and crime commissioner for hampshire. and the isle of wight. and the national lead for victims is, donna, on the face of it, this is good news because it is your party meeting its manifesto commitments. so you must be quite pleased . well, i'm must be quite pleased. well, i'm relieved , but i'm— must be quite pleased. well, i'm relieved , but i'm relieved- t: : well, i'm relieved , but i'm relieved that relieved, but i'm relieved that we get— relieved, but i'm relieved that we get twee— relieved, but i'm relieved that we got over the— relieved, but i'm relieved that we got over the line of the 20,000.— we got over the line of the 20,000. t— we got over the line of the 20,000. i think— we got over the line of the 20,000. i think it's 20,951. i wtth— 20,000. i think it's 20,951. i was with suella— 20,000. i think it's 20,951. i was with suella braverman this morning— was with suella braverman this thtththe ett— was with suella braverman this morning and chris philp, the pouci“9_ morning and chris philp, the policing minister there, when the hwtheht— policing minister there, when the numbers were officially tthtttthet. — the numbers were officially confirmed. but,— the numbers were officially confirmed. but, you know , it's confirmed. but, you know, it's teet— confirmed. but, you know, it's been e— confirmed. but, you know, it's been e teeth— confirmed. but, you know, it's been a tough journey in policing the— been a tough journey in policing the tett— been a tough journey in policing over the last 10— been a tough journey in policing over the last 10 to— been a tough journey in policing over the last 10 to 12 years. we thew— over the last 10 to 12 years. we knew thet— over the last 10 to 12 years. we know that because— over the last 10 to 12 years. we know that because of austerity, thtt— know that because of austerity, thtt tt— know that because of austerity, thtt tt teteetw— know that because of austerity, this is largely replacing police tttttett. — this is largely replacing police officers. police— this is largely replacing police officers. police officer numbers thet— officers. police officer numbers thet hete— officers. police officer numbers that have reduced— officers. police officer numbers that have reduced over the teet— that have reduced over the years-there's- that have reduced over the years..there's a- that have reduced over the years. there's a real years. so there's a real re—establishing that needs to hepheh— re—establishing that needs to hehpeh htw— re—establishing that needs to happen now. more cops is happen now. yes. more cops is greet.— happen now. yes. more cops is greet. we-we—

happen now. yes. more cops is greet. we-we ett— happen now. yes. more cops is great. we've got very young in tewtte— great. we've got very young in service officers— great. we've got very young in service officers now, though. a thtt— service officers now, though. a thtt tt— service officers now, though. a thtt oh my— service officers now, though. a third of my force— service officers now, though. a third of my force have been in tewtte— third of my force have been in tewtteltett— third of my force have been in service . less than - third of my force have been in service less than three service for less than three teet— service for less than three weettthttel— service for less than three years. more cops is good. we years. so more cops is good. we teet— years. so more cops is good. we need thet. — years. so more cops is good. we need that. policing— years. so more cops is good. we need that. policing is largely a hwtheht— need that. policing is largely a hethetht gette— need that. policing is largely a numbers game, but the experience now numbers game, but the experience heett tt— numbers game, but the experience now needs to be— numbers game, but the experience now needs to be gained. some of them— now needs to be gained. some of them ttt-t— now needs to be gained. some of them don't know— now needs to be gained. some of them don't know how to investigate _ them don't know how to investigate they need them don't know how to- investigate -they need to investigate crime. they need to teeth— investigate crime. they need to teeth tt— investigate crime. they need to teeth to te— investigate crime. they need to learn to do that— investigate crime. they need to learn to do that and they have them— learn to do that and they have theht e— learn to do that and they have tpeht e ttt— learn to do that and they have tpeht e ttt tt— learn to do that and they have spent a lot of-last- learn to do that and they have spent a lot of last three spent a lot of the last three weett— spent a lot of the last three weett-the— spent a lot of the last three years the classroom. um, years sat in the classroom. um, so years sat in the classroom. um, tt-tth— years sat in the classroom. um, tt-tth teeth- years sat in the classroom. um, so i'm really pleased so actually i'm really pleased thet— so actually i'm really pleased that-braverman,- so actually i'm really pleased- that-braverman,-home that suella braverman, our home tettetew— that suella braverman, our home secretary announced the end secretary has announced the end of secretary has announced the end tt—teetee— secretary has announced the end of-degreee tt- secretary has announced the end of-degree, so it's- of the police degree, so it's htt— of the police degree, so it's not compulsory— of the police degree, so it's not compulsory anymore. so we tehhew— ttht twtl can have those new cops out teeththe— can have those new cops out teeththe htw— can have those new cops out learning how arrest people learning how to arrest people enter— learning how to arrest people whtet-tew— learning how to arrest people under-law are- learning how to arrest people under law are not writing under pace law are not writing ettetw— under pace law are not writing ettewt-tttt- under pace law are not writing ettewt-tttt tt - under pace law are not writing essays- lots to be - essays about it. lots to be tthe. — essays about it. lots to be tthe. a— essays about it. lots to be tthe. a ttet— essays about it. lots to be done. a step in— essays about it. lots to be done. a step in the right tttetttth— done. a step in the right direction, but— done. a step in the right direction, but i don't think ewethew— direction, but i don't think. everyone -crowing direction, but i don't think- everyone -crowing right everyone should be crowing right -hthhe . t- everyone should be crowing right now. -donna , i thinkl now. yeah. no, donna, i think that point that you make and it probably applies to other things like nursing actually like nursing of not actually doing degrees being in doing degrees and being in classrooms, out doing classrooms, but being out doing things a things practically. that is a very, very strong point. you very, very strong point. do you think as yet that your voters in hampshire, in the isle of wight , are aware of an increase police presence . in our cities?

police presence. in our cities? probably, yes . police presence. in our cities? probably, yes. in probably, yes . in portsmouth, in probably, yes. in portsmouth, in stethethhtth.— probably, yes. in portsmouth, in southampton. it's— probably, yes. in portsmouth, in southampton. it's obviously , you southampton. it's obviously, you thew,— southampton. it's obviously, you knew eete— southampton. it's obviously, you knew eete tt— southampton. it's obviously, you know, 60% of our— southampton. it's obviously, you know, 60% of our crime comes ttth— know, 60% of our crime comes httt thtte— know, 60% of our crime comes httt thtte twe— know, 60% of our crime comes from those two areas across hethhthtte— from those two areas across hethhthtte th— from those two areas across hampshire in the isle of wight. so hampshire in the isle of wight. st 2— hampshire in the isle of wight. st 2 httttth— hampshire in the isle of wight. so 2 million people, one of the teteett— so 2 million people, one of the tetgett ptttte— so 2 million people, one of the largest police forces. so some us— largest police forces. so some areas, us have— largest police forces. so some areas, us have seen a greater tteteet— areas, us have seen a greater concentrate . police - areas, us have seen a greater concentrate police officers concentrate of police officers hetewte— concentrate of police officers hetewte , et t— concentrate of police officers because , as i say, it's very because, as i say, it's very meth— because, as i say, it's very thwth thtte— because, as i say, it's very much crime related in the rural areas are starting— much crime related in the rural areas are starting to see that ttett— areas are starting to see that now. roads policing unit, you thew,— now. roads policing unit, you thew-thtet— now. roads policing unit, you know,.things are- now. roads policing unit, you know, things are trickling know, so things are trickling through— know, so things are trickling through-officers- know, so things are trickling through officers are through as more officers are tththt— through as more officers are tththe th— through as more officers are coming on board. it's then ththtee— coming on board. it's then pushing other— coming on board. it's then pushing other officers out into tttee-htttte- pushing other officers out into some police specialisms some of those police specialisms ,_t.em._ some of those police specialisms ,_them. ttth— some of those police specialisms ,_them. ttet tt- some of those police specialisms ,_them. look it is- , as we call them. look it is etet— , as we call them. look it is good newt— , as we call them. look it is good t— , as we call them. look it is good news. i am— , as we call them. look it is good news. i am really pleased tttew— good news. i am really pleased tttew thet— good news. i am really pleased today that the— good news. i am really pleased today that the government have ethtewet — today that the government have achieved what— today that the government have achieved what - set - today that the government have achieved what set out to achieved what they set out to to. — achieved what they set out to tte—tthteht- do. i'm keeping my fingers tttee— do. i'm keeping my fingers crossed-the- do. i'm keeping my fingers crossed the next pledge crossed now for the next pledge ttth— crossed now for the next pledge from .conservatives- from the conservatives for the text— from the conservatives for the text gehetet— from the conservatives for the next general hoping next general election, hoping thet— next general election, hoping thet-wht— next general election, hoping that-will be— next general election, hoping that-will be an- next general election, hoping that will be an uplift that that will be an uplift of more-officers.- that that will be an uplift of more -officers. so - that that will be an uplift of more officers. so i do more police officers. so i do ththt— more police officers. so i do ththt thet— more police officers. so i do think that government should think that the government should be congratulated— think that the government should be congratulated for this today. sette— be congratulated for this today. some-teth— be congratulated for this today. some-such as— be congratulated for this today. some-such as the - some forces such as the metropolitan _ some forces such as the metropolitan service some forces such as the- metropolitan-service , metropolitan police service, hete— metropolitan police service, hewe tettet— metropolitan police service, have failed woefully to hit thet— have failed woefully to hit their number. _ have failed woefully to hit their number. my force, however , is overachieved_ their number. my force, however , is overachieved our number. we het— , is overachieved our number. we het tt— , is overachieved our number. we het to teeth— , is overachieved our number. we had to recruit 498. _ , is overachieved our number. we had to recruit 498. we've tettwttet— had to recruit 498. we've recruited 600 _ had to recruit 498. we've recruited 600 new cops in the

tett— recruited 600 new cops in the tett three— recruited 600 new cops in the last three years. _ recruited 600 new cops in the last three years. but like i say,— last three years. but like i tew ttth— last three years. but like i tew, ttttt e— last three years. but like i say, still a long- last three years. but like i say, still a long way to go. hthhe— say, still a long way to go. donna jones— say, still a long way to go. donna jones ,— say, still a long way to go. donna jones , thank you very much donna jones, thank you very much thteet— donna jones, thank you very much thteet ttt— donna jones, thank you very much indeed for joining— donna jones, thank you very much indeed forjoining us. [1 , g indeed forjoining us. giving your— indeed forjoining us. giving your thoughts. peter bleksley, former met police detective, very , very telling point. very, very telling point. i thought that donna made that and there's no doubt she loves her job and wants to succeed. but she said many of our new police officers do what you just said. don't know how to investigate crime . so more cops . don't know how to investigate crime . so more cops. but don't know how to investigate crime . so more cops . but are we crime. so more cops. but are we better off ? or if a third of her better off? or if a third of her force have literally just left the classroom , it's not as good the classroom, it's not as good as it looks, is it? yes it's not just the numbers— as it looks, is it? yes it's not just the numbers that- fl “in; it's not just the numbers that got tthtettet— just the numbers that got tthpettet tw— just the numbers that got impacted by austerity because so many— impacted by austerity because so many teetehte— impacted by austerity because so many experience cops when their pay many experience cops when their pew ett— many experience cops when their pew eht thet— many experience cops when their pay and their pensions and other ehttttetheht— pay and their pensions and other entitlement have— pay and their pensions and other entitlement have got butchered, heetet— entitlement have got butchered, heetet ttt— entitlement have got butchered, headed for the _ entitlement have got butchered, headed for the exit door. and there— headed for the exit door. and there wet— headed for the exit door. and there eh— headed for the exit door. and there was an absolute sea of heetehte— there was an absolute sea of experience that— there was an absolute sea of experience that disappeared ewtte— experience that disappeared eette ttthttt— experience that disappeared quite simply not to be replaced. ahe— quite simply not to be replaced. aht tththt— quite simply not to be replaced. aht httttthe tt— quite simply not to be replaced. and policing is one of those ttht— and policing is one of those tett where— and policing is one of those jobs where experience is crucial . st— jobs where experience is crucial . to t— jobs where experience is crucial . to t tetetwete—

jobs where experience is crucial . so i celebrate the— jobs where experience is crucial . so i celebrate the fact that the— . so i celebrate the fact that the 20,000— . so i celebrate the fact that the 20,000 target has been hit. tttew— the 20,000 target has been hit. tttew tth— the 20,000 target has been hit. today the wett— the 20,000 target has been hit. today i'm very glad that mr sweet— today i'm very glad that mr swhet tt— today i'm very glad that mr sunak is celebrating mr tthhtth-t— sunak is celebrating mr johnson's target being met. but. but johnson's target being met. but. het the— johnson's target being met. but. but the difficulty— johnson's target being met. but. but the difficulty is, or maybe htw— but the difficulty is, or maybe how stridently_ but the difficulty is, or maybe how stridently have these tthteht— how stridently have these officers been— how stridently have these officers been vetted? we know there-t— officers been vetted? we know there-t heeh— officers been vetted? we know there's been a— officers been vetted? we know there's been a lot— officers been vetted? we know there's been a lot of issues wtth— there's been a lot of issues wtth wettthe— there's been a lot of issues with vetting who's trained them and with vetting who's trained them eht htw— with vetting who's trained them and how thorough is that tteththe— and how thorough is that tteththe e— and how thorough is that training ? a— and how thorough is that training ? a lot of training from training? a lot of training from various police— training? a lot of training from various police services has been tettet — various police services has been outsourced. what— various police services has been outsourced. �*vw�* jtzzt " various police services has been outsourced. t" outsourced. what donna was suggesting was that most of the training has been in the classroom. yep indeed. but a good teacher in the- , /ti;it :: but a good teacher in the classroom bring— good teacher in the classroom can bring practical skills for them— can bring practical skills for them tt— can bring practical skills for them to learn— can bring practical skills for them to learn from. and thirdly , whe-t— them to learn from. and thirdly ,wht-t going— them to learn from. and thirdly ,wht-t going tt— them to learn from. and thirdly , who's going to escort these puppies— , who's going to escort these puppet e— , who's going to escort these ww“ 7 wh0'5_ , who's going to escort these puppies ? who's going to do the puppies? who's going to do the puppy— puppies? who's going to do the puppy walking— puppies? who's going to do the puppy walking ,— puppies? who's going to do the puppy walking , which is a common puppy walking, which is a common extettthth— puppy walking, which is a common extetttpth ttt— puppy walking, which is a common expression for taking probationers out in policing ? in probationers out in policing? in my dayt— probationers out in policing? in my tew you— probationers out in policing? in my day, you would go with an expettehtet— my day, you would go with an experienced cop— my day, you would go with an experienced cop who would have the — experienced cop who would have the minimum of— experienced cop who would have the minimum of five years hetewte— the minimum of five years hetewte th— the minimum of five years hetewte th thw— the minimum of five years because in my day they used to say,— because in my day they used to tew whtt— because in my day they used to tew, ehttt wee— because in my day they used to tew, ehttt you get— because in my day they used to say, until you got five years in, say, until you got five years th wee— say, until you got five years he, you ttht— say, until you got five years in, you don't know what you're tttee.— in, you don't know what you're ttthe. ahe— in, you don't know what you're doing. and there's— in, you don't know what you're doing. and there's some truth to

thet.— doing. and there's some truth to thet. tteettwe— doing. and there's some truth to that. really? yeah.— doing. and there's some truth to that. really? yeah. so yes, that. really? yeah. so so yes, i do that. really? yeah. so so yes, i to hethtw— that. really? yeah. so so yes, i do harbour those— that. really? yeah. so so yes, i do harbour those concerns. i'm happy— do harbour those concerns. i'm heppw the— do harbour those concerns. i'm happy the tenters— do harbour those concerns. i'm happy the target's been hit. the ttet-t— happy the target's been hit. the aaet-t-e— happy the target's been hit. the ttet-t-e ttt— happy the target's been hit. the ttet-t-e ttt tt— happy the target's been hit. the met's-a lot of work- happy the target's been hit. the met's a lot of work to do, met's got a lot of work to do, het— met's got a lot of work to do, het .— met's got a lot of work to do, het . het— met's got a lot of work to do, het . het ttt— met's got a lot of work to do, but. but it's going to be far ttth— but. but it's going to be far httt e— but. but it's going to be far from a perfect— but. but it's going to be far from a perfect policing world for from a perfect policing world ttt e— from a perfect policing world ttt e longe— from a perfect policing world for a long, long— from a perfect policing world for a long, long time. / 't: for a long, long time. yeah. and i for a long, long time. yeah. and t meet— for a long, long time. yeah. and t .— for a long, long time. yeah. and i mean , they say that it's i mean, they say that it's a much more diverse police force , much more diverse police force, but let's hope that above all, they've recruited on quality , they've recruited on quality, not just to meet yet more targets, but sticking with figures , peter for a moment, figures, peter for a moment, i was having a look before we came on air at crime figures and looking at the met's numbers and the government's claims and i can't work out what's actually happening. i can't work out whether crime is rising or whether crime is rising or whether crime is falling. is there any sort of gold standard that we can go to measure what is really happening with crime in this country? we the government— in this country? we the government will- i tits. “at? we the government will tell you i tats. 7my we the government will tell you the thtte— government will tell you the twwew— government will tell you the crime survey of— government will tell you the crime survey of england and wetet— crime survey of england and wetet .— crime survey of england and wetet . vet.— crime survey of england and wales . yes. police will tell you wales. yes. police will tell you thet— wales. yes. police will tell you their recorded _ wales. yes. police will tell you their recorded figures, but if you— their recorded figures, but if you tthtetee— their recorded figures, but if you compare those like it eppeett— you compare those like it ehheett vou— you compare those like it appears you have done, you just ett— appears you have done, you just end we— appears you have done, you just end up bewildered— appears you have done, you just end up bewildered , tearing your end up bewildered, tearing your hete— end up bewildered, tearing your hett tet. — end up bewildered, tearing your hett tet. t— end up bewildered, tearing your hair out. i don't— end up bewildered, tearing your

hair out. i don't think there's any— hair out. i don't think there's ehw tettehte— hair out. i don't think there's any reliable crime stats because so any reliable crime stats because to meet— any reliable crime stats because to many eeehte— any reliable crime stats because so many people have become ttttttwte— so many people have become dissolute and— so many people have become dissolute and with policing that thew— dissolute and with policing that they ttte— dissolute and with policing that they come outside their house in they come outside their house in the morning— they come outside their house in the morning, see— they come outside their house in the morning, see the window thteh— the morning, see the window httteh th— the morning, see the window broken on their— the morning, see the window broken on their car and go, whet-t— broken on their car and go, whet-t the— broken on their car and go, what's the point? nothing will be what's the point? nothing will he tthe. — what's the point? nothing will be done. well,— what's the point? nothing will be done. well, so— what's the point? nothing will be done. kathi“ , be done. well, so actually what you're suggesting and i think this right, is a lot of crime this is right, is a lot of crime now simply doesn't get reported . i absolutely walk through the ttteett— . i absolutely walk through the ttteett tt— . i absolutely walk through the ttteett tt ehw— . i absolutely walk through the streets of any city— i absolutely walk through the streets of any city and look at the— streets of any city and look at the thththet— streets of any city and look at the criminal damage that has teet— the criminal damage that has been ttte.— the criminal damage that has been done. look— the criminal damage that has been done. look at the walls thet— been done. look at the walls thet hete— been done. look at the walls that have been— been done. look at the walls that have been daubed . look that have been daubed. look at the-tthth— that have been daubed. look at the-stuff that- that have been daubed. look at the-stuff that tries- the revolting stuff that tries to the revolting stuff that tries tt-tttett— the revolting stuff that tries to itself graffiti, which to call itself graffiti, which is to call itself graffiti, which tt tewhet— to call itself graffiti, which is daubed all— to call itself graffiti, which is daubed all over our great ttttet— is daubed all over our great cities. that's— is daubed all over our great cities. that's a— is daubed all over our great cities. that's a crime. that's thththet— cities. that's a crime. that's criminal damage. none of that teetwet— criminal damage. none of that teetwet th— criminal damage. none of that features in any— criminal damage. none of that features in any crimes that i wtwtt— features in any crimes that i would imagine,— features in any crimes that i would imagine, because the tt tt— would imagine, because the owners of it just— would imagine, because the owners of it just shrug their thtwttett— owners of it just shrug their thtwttett ,— owners of it just shrug their shoulders , pick— owners of it just shrug their shoulders , pick up the phone and shoulders, pick up the phone and get tthehttw— shoulders, pick up the phone and get ttthehttw tt— shoulders, pick up the phone and get somebody to come and jet weth— get somebody to come and jet weth tt— get somebody to come and jet weth tt ttt.— get somebody to come and jet wash it off. hopefully same with the-wtth— wash it off. hopefully same with the -with their— wash it off. hopefully same with the with their broken the people with their broken wthttwt— the people with their broken windows -cars. - the people with their broken windows cars. same with windows in their cars. same with ettewttt— windows in their cars. same with ettewttt .— windows in their cars. same with assaults . people— windows in their cars. same with assaults . people get assaulted assaults. people get assaulted ett— assaults. people get assaulted eht tth— assaults. people get assaulted end the te— assaults. people get assaulted and i'm sure that— assaults. people get assaulted and i'm sure that is woefully underreported._ and i'm sure that is woefully underreported. people come out of underreported. people come out tt e— underreported. people come out tt e hwh— underreported. people come out tt e hwh th— underreported. people come out tt e the th the— underreported. people come out of a pub in the evening and get thtt— of a pub in the evening and get thtt e— of a pub in the evening and get thtt e twtt— of a pub in the evening and get thtt e twtt wh— of a pub in the evening and get into a dust up. that's not going

to get— into a dust up. that's not going to get thtetee.— into a dust up. that's not going to get reported. and of course, we ette— to get reported. and of course, we ette thew— to get reported. and of course, we also know that— to get reported. and of course, we also know that violence eeethtt— we also know that violence against women— we also know that violence against women and girls that so thteh— against women and girls that so then hehheht— against women and girls that so often happens behind closed tttht— often happens behind closed ttttt ett— often happens behind closed doors and to— often happens behind closed doors and to men in terms of ttthetttt— doors and to men in terms of domestic violence— doors and to men in terms of domestic violence is chronic under—reported,— domestic violence is chronic under—reported, which is why so thew— under—reported, which is why so thehw thet— under—reported, which is why so many ttwet ee— under—reported, which is why so many lives are horrendously ththtee— many lives are horrendously httehtet tw— many lives are horrendously httehtet tw tt— many lives are horrendously blighted by it. and i urge ehwthe— blighted by it. and i urge anyone dodi_ blighted by it. and i urge anyone dodi if- blighted by it. and i urge anyone dodi if we want to have a twe— anyone dodi if we want to have a ttwe tehtttehe— anyone dodi if we want to have a true landscape in— anyone dodi if we want to have a true landscape in terms of how thwth— true landscape in terms of how thwth thtte— true landscape in terms of how thwth tt— true landscape in terms of how much crime is being committed , much crime is being committed, no much crime is being committed, ht thettet— much crime is being committed, ht thettet htw— much crime is being committed, no matter how minor it is , no no matter how minor it is, no thettet— no matter how minor it is, no thettet htw— no matter how minor it is, no matter how frustrating it might be matter how frustrating it might he tt— matter how frustrating it might he to teeth— matter how frustrating it might he to teeth t,— matter how frustrating it might be to report it, please do that so be to report it, please do that to we eet— be to report it, please do that so we can get an— be to report it, please do that so we can get an accurate htttwte. — so we can get an accurate htttwte. a— so we can get an accurate picture. a real- so we can get an accurate picture. ' ”chi so we can get an accurate picture. ' "tie; so we can get an accurate- picture. a real plea that peter bleksley because we do need proper figures . i can't work it proper figures. i can't work it out. you can't work it out. it really is a mess. but we must. yeah, peter is right. however hopeless it feels, we must report crime. but hey , you know report crime. but hey, you know what? they've met their target so well done to the government on that. now the house of commons voted . so government commons has voted. so government majority of 59 for the illegal migration bill. that suggests that there were a few tory abstentions , but literally only

abstentions, but literally only abstentions, but literally only a few . so in a moment, we're a few. so in a moment, we're going to come back and find out why sickness from work figures were the highest last year on record. have we all gone work shy or is it maybe after covid we just don't come into the office when we're coughing and spluttering

here on gb news, the people's . here on gb news, the people's. thehhet— here on gb news, the people's. thehhet wett— here on gb news, the people's. channel well over— here on gb news, the people's. channel well over 185 million tett— channel well over 185 million tewt thtttet— channel well over 185 million days missed last— channel well over 185 million days missed last year from work twe— days missed last year from work twe tt— days missed last year from work due to sickness— days missed last year from work due to sickness .— days missed last year from work due to sickness . s— days missed last year from work due to sickness . s a days missed last year from work due to sickness. s a graph hwhttthet— due to sickness. s a graph published in— due to sickness. s a graph published in ons graph that's heeh— published in ons graph that's been published— published in ons graph that's been published shows an alarmin9e_ been published shows an alarming, alarming rise over the tett— alarming, alarming rise over the tett ttwhte— alarming, alarming rise over the tett ttwhte tt— alarming, alarming rise over the last couple of years in those tethe— last couple of years in those tetthg tett— last couple of years in those taking days off— last couple of years in those taking days off work sick. thet-t— taking days off work sick. that's after— taking days off work sick. that's after a— taking days off work sick. that's after a quite, quite tteetw— that's after a quite, quite steady decline _ that's after a quite, quite steady decline in that number the— steady decline in that number over the course— steady decline in that number over the course of— steady decline in that number over the course of the last 20 yet— over the course of the last 20 yet tt— over the course of the last 20 wet to whet— over the course of the last 20 years. so what is— over the course of the last 20 years. so what is going on is it thet— years. so what is going on is it thet w-wee— years. so what is going on is it that we've become _ years. so what is going on is it that we've become just temptetetw— that we've become just completely work shy any excuse wett— completely work shy any excuse we-tt tete— completely work shy any excuse we-tt tete e— completely work shy any excuse we'll take a day— completely work shy any excuse we'll take a day off such as the

tt— we'll take a day off such as the tt ththtee— we'll take a day off such as the sun is shining some of it, i thteh— sun is shining some of it, i ththh tt— sun is shining some of it, i think, is because in in the past we thew— think, is because in in the past we thew wett— think, is because in in the past we may well have— think, is because in in the past we may well have come into a hwtw— we may well have come into a hwtw thtte— we may well have come into a busy office coughing and thtwttehhe— busy office coughing and spluttering and spreading germs etwht— spluttering and spreading germs etwht the— spluttering and spreading germs around the place— spluttering and spreading germs around the place .— spluttering and spreading germs around the place . and now we around the place. and now we ththt— around the place. and now we ththt ettet— around the place. and now we think after the— around the place. and now we think after the pandemic, you thew— think after the pandemic, you knew wheth— think after the pandemic, you know what? that's just not a wetw— know what? that's just not a wetw gttwh— know what? that's just not a wetw grown wh— know what? that's just not a very grown up and a very tehtthte— very grown up and a very sensible or— very grown up and a very sensible or responsible thing to do. sensible or responsible thing to to. se— sensible or responsible thing to to. to thet— sensible or responsible thing to do. so that could— sensible or responsible thing to do. so that could be part of it. i do. so that could be part of it. t ttht— do. so that could be part of it. t tth-t thew.— do. so that could be part of it. i don't know. i'm— do. so that could be part of it. i don't know. i'm not sure what the— i don't know. i'm not sure what the teet— i don't know. i'm not sure what the real reasons— i don't know. i'm not sure what the real reasons are, but i wete— the real reasons are, but i wonder whether emma kenney htwthtttew— wonder whether emma kenney htwthtttgw thtt— wonder whether emma kenney psychology list might be able to hete— psychology list might be able to heth the— psychology list might be able to heth the wtth— psychology list might be able to help me with this. _ psychology list might be able to help me with this. emma i think the hehtehtt— help me with this. emma i think the pandemic has— help me with this. emma i think the pandemic has had a big htwthtttettet— the pandemic has had a big psychological effect upon the ttwhttw— psychological effect upon the ttwhttw th— psychological effect upon the country in lots— psychological effect upon the country in lots and lots of wewt.— country in lots and lots of wewt. ahe— country in lots and lots of wewt. aht tth— country in lots and lots of ways. and i'm, you know , it's ways. and i'm, you know, it's ttt— ways. and i'm, you know, it's ttt eetw— ways. and i'm, you know, it's ttt eetw ttt— ways. and i'm, you know, it's too easy for me— ways. and i'm, you know, it's too easy for me to- ways. and i'm, you know, it's too easy for me to say, you thew,— too easy for me to say, you knew thewhe — too easy for me to say, you know, they're all- too easy for me to say, you know, they're all shirkers, thew-te— know, they're all shirkers, thew-e ett— know, they're all shirkers, they're all hopeless, you know, they're all hopeless, you know, the tttehtett— they're all hopeless, you know, the slightest twinge they take a day the slightest twinge they take a tew ttt— the slightest twinge they take a tew ttt .— the slightest twinge they take a tew ttt . hwt— the slightest twinge they take a tew ttt . hwt t— the slightest twinge they take a day off . but i wonder whether day off. but i wonder whether you— day off. but i wonder whether wow—the— day off. but i wonder whether wow—the thet- day off. but i wonder whether you me that there day off. but i wonder whether. you—me that there is you agree with me that there is ettwettw— you agree with me that there is actually slightly— you agree with me that there is actually slightly more responsibility now when we're at a responsibility now when we're at ewetw— responsibility now when we're at a very infectious— responsibility now when we're at a very infectious stage of a tett— a very infectious stage of a tett tt— a very infectious stage of a tett tt ttw— a very infectious stage of a cold or flu and— a very infectious stage of a cold or flu and we say, you know whet,— cold or flu and we say, you know whet, t— cold or flu and we say, you know what, i wouldn't— cold or flu and we say, you know what, i wouldn't be— cold or flu and we say, you know what, i wouldn't be doing ehwhttw— what, i wouldn't be doing ehwhttw e— what, i wouldn't be doing anybody a favour by coming into

the ttttte. — anybody a favour by coming into the office. yeah,— anybody a favour by coming into the office. yeah, i— anybody a favour by coming into the office. yeah, i definitely ththt— the office. yeah, i definitely ththt thet— the office. yeah, i definitely think that a— the office. yeah, i definitely think that a lot— the office. yeah, i definitely think that a lot of people are more aware of— think that a lot of people are more aware of things like common ttttt— more aware of things like common ttttt ett— more aware of things like common colds and sniffles. _ more aware of things like common colds and sniffles. ' t: colds and sniffles. and i also ththt— colds and sniffles. and i also think you have a valid point as well regarding the fact that over pandemic people were over the pandemic people were kind of re—educated to think about health in a different way. and i think people are more anxious health. think anxious about health. i think there's a hangover of there's a real hangover of health anxiety and that means that people don't feel as responsible accountable when responsible and accountable when they a off. so i think they take a day off. so i think that both those motivations that both of those motivations are why people are choosing to . are why people are choosing to. not but i also think there's some people use it as an some people just use it as an excuse respect . i genuinely excuse with respect. i genuinely think whilst some people think that whilst some people are with vicarious and are dealing with vicarious and secondary trauma to some degree after pandemic, some people after the pandemic, some people genuinely are really anxious about way that they feel about the way that they feel because judgements because of the judgements of others, believe me , wow, others, because believe me, wow, in uk we've found out in the uk we've found out there's some quite judgemental people you've a cold. people when you've got a cold. but also i that people use but also i think that people use it a very helpful excuse. i'm it as a very helpful excuse. i'm not coming in now because the power balance has shifted more towards it has towards employees than it has been to employers in the past.

it. yeah. isn't there also , it. yeah. isn't there also, emma,— it. yeah. isn't there also, emma, ett— it. yeah. isn't there also, emma, and i've- e yeah. isn't there also, emma, and i've certainly noticed thtt— emma, and i've certainly noticed thtt tettthe— emma, and i've certainly noticed thtt tettthe tt— emma, and i've certainly noticed this talking to young people thet— this talking to young people thet thet— this talking to young people that that there _ this talking to young people that that there are there seem to he — that that there are there seem to he to — that that there are there seem to he to the— that that there are there seem to be to me more— that that there are there seem to be to me more young people all to be to me more young people ett wht— to be to me more young people ett wht tett— to be to me more young people all who talk about— to be to me more young people all who talk about work life hetehte— all who talk about work life balance than— all who talk about work life balance than than perhaps there wtwtt— balance than than perhaps there we hete— balance than than perhaps there would have been— balance than than perhaps there would have been a— balance than than perhaps there would have been a couple of tetetet— would have been a couple of tetetet eet.— would have been a couple of decades ago. there seem to be tewet— decades ago. there seem to be tewet wtwhe— decades ago. there seem to be fewer young people prepared to wtth— fewer young people prepared to week ett— fewer young people prepared to week ett the— fewer young people prepared to work all the hours god sends for economic success.— work all the hours god sends for economic success. and they're wetwthe— economic success. and they're wetwthe ether— economic success. and they're valuing other things in their ttwet. — valuing other things in their ttwet. tttehttw— valuing other things in their lives. rightly or— valuing other things in their lives. rightly or wrongly, i'm htt— lives. rightly or wrongly, i'm not hettthe— lives. rightly or wrongly, i'm not passing judgement on this , not passing judgement on this, but not passing judgement on this, hwt thew— not passing judgement on this, hwt thew tee— not passing judgement on this, but they seem to— not passing judgement on this, but they seem to value this work life but they seem to value this work ttte hetehte— but they seem to value this work life balance thing.— but they seem to value this work life balance thing. they're not ptepetet— life balance thing. they're not ptepetet tt— life balance thing. they're not prepared to work— life balance thing. they're not prepared to work quite as hard as prepared to work quite as hard et thew— prepared to work quite as hard et thew wtet— prepared to work quite as hard as they used to— prepared to work quite as hard as they used to be. i as they used to be. i mean, i ththt— as they used to be. i mean, i think what's happened is you have pre 1970s where people didn't have technology and you went into work and then you left at a certain time and you had this separation. then you have the 80s and 90s where the rise of technology means that people start getting things like the yuppie start getting things like the yuppie flu and essentially people start work longer and people start to work longer and longer hours see longer hours and you see actually a movement in the

corporate world where, for example overtime example, working overtime is meant considered a normal meant to be considered a normal part of your job, even if you're not for that , not remunerated for that, staying in the office to all hours something needs to hours when something needs to get out you're not get sorted out and you're not renewed it. that renewed narrated for it. that became of our culture. and became part of our culture. and then i think as younger people are growing up thinking, are growing up and thinking, i don't towards that don't have loyalty towards that particular company anymore, i'm not there years, not staying there for 50 years, it means that the employers have to more. and i've done quite to do more. and i've done quite a lot of research with corporate agencies on this and certainly that's what's coming through agencies on this and certainly that'younger coming through agencies on this and certainly that'younger people through agencies on this and certainly that'younger people thrsaying, that younger people are saying, i don't spend my entire i don't want to spend my entire life to a desk or life either tied to a desk or then to my electronics at then tied to my electronics at night. i want a better work life balance. you're correct that balance. so you're correct that they want that, don't they do want that, but i don't think it's just they're think it's just that they're becoming because becoming lazier. it's because there's to something there's a return to something that was massively out of balance. example, i used to balance. for example, i used to work for some very, very big banks trading companies banks and trading companies where i go in and deliver work life balance and they used to want to sign a contract want me to sign a contract saying i allowed to saying i wasn't allowed to suggest overtime suggest not doing overtime because that was because essentially that was part of their culture, which is

ludicrous. you imagine ludicrous. but if you imagine that that's the mindset of the corporate world in lot of ways corporate world in a lot of ways we've inherited that. and i think young people are saying, no, don't me wrong, there'll no, don't get me wrong, there'll always laggers. and i think always be laggers. and i think that the culture that's that that's the culture that's endemic system endemic now within our system and certainly elevated and certainly has been elevated and amplified through covid because told you because it basically told you if you feel anything other than 100% don't do anything . and 100% don't do anything. and that's a terrible kind of suggestion to make. and i think a lot of people are still living with that. and many thank you very much indeed. and yep, i agree very much indeed. and yep, i eetee wtth— very much indeed. and yep, i agree wtth wtw. — very much indeed. and yep, i agree with you. i— very much indeed. and yep, i agree with you. i think- twig mi 3: and yep,i agree with you. i think there wtte— agree with you. i think there wetet— agree with you. i think there wise words on— agree with you. i think there wise words on work life balance. i wise words on work life balance. t wet— wise words on work life balance. t ettet— wise words on work life balance. i was asked once— wise words on work life balance. i was asked once on— wise words on work life balance. i was asked once on the bbc at the— i was asked once on the bbc at the the— i was asked once on the bbc at the the t— i was asked once on the bbc at the time i was— i was asked once on the bbc at the time i was leading ukip , we the time i was leading ukip, we were-hwtw— the time i was leading ukip, we were-busy series- the time i was leading ukip, we were-busy series of- were very busy series of hettthet—ti national elections and i was ettet— national elections and i was ettet htw— national elections and i was asked how-hours- national elections and i was asked how hours a week do asked how many hours a week do you asked how many hours a week do wtw wette— asked how many hours a week do wtw wttte ahe— asked how many hours a week do you work? and isaid,_ asked how many hours a week do you work? and said, well, if you work? and i said, well, if you— you work? and i said, well, if wtw thttwte— you work? and i said, well, if you include the— you work? and i said, well, if you include the socialising ettet— you include the socialising after-roughly- you include the socialising. after-roughly-hours after work, roughly 100 hours a week,— after work, roughly 100 hours a weeh whtth— after work, roughly 100 hours a week, which some— after work, roughly 100 hours a week, which some people thought was week, which some people thought goodw— week, which some people thought was good, others— week, which some people thought was good, others didn't . now was good, others didn't. now sette— was good, others didn't. now sette-the— was good, others didn't. now sadiq-one tt- was good, others didn't. now sadiq-one of our- was good, others didn't. now sadiq one of our favourite sadiq khan, one of our favourite twhtettt— sadiq khan, one of our favourite twhtettt tt— sadiq khan, one of our favourite subjects, of course.— sadiq khan, one of our favourite subjects, of course. yeah yes. he— subjects, of course. yeah yes. he-announced- subjects, of course. yeah yes. he announced recently he has announced recently a tetehtet— he has announced recently a talented group— he has announced recently a talented group to develop an ehhwet— talented group to develop an annual celebration of black

twttwte— annual celebration of black twttwte th— annual celebration of black culture in london. isn't that marvellous?— culture in london. isn't that marvellous? and one of the eeehte— marvellous? and one of the eeehte thet— marvellous? and one of the people that he's— marvellous? and one of the people that he's appointed tetehttw— people that he's appointed recently, kim— people that he's appointed recently, kim rye olivia alamuru wett— recently, kim rye olivia alamuru well, the— recently, kim rye olivia alamuru well, she looks— recently, kim rye olivia alamuru well, she looks like an absolute heewtw— well, she looks like an absolute heewtw .— well, she looks like an absolute heewtw . atw— well, she looks like an absolute beauty . my goodness gracious me. beauty. my goodness gracious me. she-t— beauty. my goodness gracious me. she's described— beauty. my goodness gracious me. she's described the— beauty. my goodness gracious me. she's described the conservative government— she's described the conservative government tt— she's described the conservative government of being murderers on ttht— government of being murderers on htttt tthhtth— government of being murderers on boris johnson. she— government of being murderers on boris johnson. she said , how boris johnson. she said, how ttet— boris johnson. she said, how ttet he— boris johnson. she said, how ttet he htt— boris johnson. she said, how does he not get— boris johnson. she said, how does he not get jumped every tttee— does he not get jumped every the he— does he not get jumped every the he etet— does he not get jumped every time he goes out— does he not get jumped every time he goes out and, oh, keir stethet— time he goes out and, oh, keir stethet tt— time he goes out and, oh, keir starmer is nothing but a scab, so starmer is nothing but a scab, tt wew— starmer is nothing but a scab, so you can see sadiq khan epptthtthe— so you can see sadiq khan appointing really very, very etethe— appointing really very, very extreme leftists into positions ett— extreme leftists into positions eht ett— extreme leftists into positions and all they'll— extreme leftists into positions and all they'll do . it won't and all they'll do. it won't ettwettw— and all they'll do. it won't actually help— and all they'll do. it won't actually help the black ttththwhttw— actually help the black community in london. all it will do community in london. all it will to tt— community in london. all it will to tt ehwe— community in london. all it will to tt the e— community in london. all it will do is drive a wedge and a divide between— do is drive a wedge and a divide between the— do is drive a wedge and a divide between the black— do is drive a wedge and a divide between the black community, the whtte— between the black community, the white community— between the black community, the white community and other groups in white community and other groups th tthtth — white community and other groups th tthtth tt— white community and other groups th tthtth t tt— white community and other groups in london. it is all— white community and other groups in london. it is all a— white community and other groups in london. it is all a complete ett— in london. it is all a complete eht wttet— in london. it is all a complete and utter marxist— in london. it is all a complete and utter marxist madness. ahttew— and utter marxist madness. andrew bridgen, conservative tthtete— andrew bridgen, conservative ththehe tt— andrew bridgen, conservative member of parliament and quite a teewtet— member of parliament and quite a teewtet th— member of parliament and quite a teewtet th thtt— member of parliament and quite a regular on this channel in hetethhet— regular on this channel in december in— regular on this channel in december in parliament, he said thet— december in parliament, he said thet e— december in parliament, he said thet e abuse— december in parliament, he said that a robust, robust data of

ttthtttteht— that a robust, robust data of significant harms and little thteht— significant harms and little ongoing benefit meant there thtwtt— ongoing benefit meant there thtwtt he— ongoing benefit meant there thtwtt he e— ongoing benefit meant there should be a complete suspension of should be a complete suspension oh the— should be a complete suspension oh the wetthe— should be a complete suspension of the vaccine rollout. indeed, he wetht— of the vaccine rollout. indeed, he wasn't alone— of the vaccine rollout. indeed, he wasn't alone because denmark ttth— he wasn't alone because denmark ttet e— he wasn't alone because denmark ttet e wetw— he wasn't alone because denmark took a very similar— he wasn't alone because denmark took a very similar decision . he took a very similar decision. he then— took a very similar decision. he then described— took a very similar decision. he then described the— took a very similar decision. he then described the covid vaccine tttttwt— then described the covid vaccine tttttwt th— then described the covid vaccine rollout in january— then described the covid vaccine rollout in january as the hteeett— rollout in january as the biggest crime- rollout in january as the biggest crime against humanity hte— biggest crime against humanity the— biggest crime against humanity since the holocaust . i thought since the holocaust. i thought thet— since the holocaust. i thought thet wet— since the holocaust. i thought thet eh— since the holocaust. i thought that was an incredibly ill judged— that was an incredibly ill judged ththt— that was an incredibly ill judged thing to say. no current ettettt— judged thing to say. no current ettettt tthtt— judged thing to say. no current affairs topic or— judged thing to say. no current affairs topic or debate should ever draw comparisons with the httttewtt— ever draw comparisons with the httttewtt tt— ever draw comparisons with the holocaust or hitler or any of thtte— holocaust or hitler or any of thtte ththet. — holocaust or hitler or any of those things. it— holocaust or hitler or any of those things. it never works and it those things. it never works and tt hewet— those things. it never works and tt ewee— those things. it never works and it never, ever makes any sense. hwt— it never, ever makes any sense. hwt tt— it never, ever makes any sense. hwt tt wet— it never, ever makes any sense. hwt tt e— it never, ever makes any sense. but it was a misjudgement he was thtwtet— but it was a misjudgement he was thtwtet ttwh— but it was a misjudgement he was shouted down by— but it was a misjudgement he was shouted down by matt hancock and tthett— shouted down by matt hancock and tthett ttt— shouted down by matt hancock and others for being _ shouted down by matt hancock and others for being anti—semitic, whtth— others for being anti—semitic, whtth wew— others for being anti—semitic, which very clearly he was not. tttew— which very clearly he was not. tttew he— which very clearly he was not. tttew he wet— which very clearly he was not. today he was expelled from the tthtewettwe— today he was expelled from the conservative party.— today he was expelled from the conservative party. i wonder, wew— conservative party. i wonder, wtw htt— conservative party. i wonder, are you not allowed to even ttttwtt— are you not allowed to even discuss vaccine _ are you not allowed to even discuss vaccine harms if you're a discuss vaccine harms if you're e tttw— discuss vaccine harms if you're e tttw ath— discuss vaccine harms if you're e tttw ttt e— discuss vaccine harms if you're a tory mp 7 that— discuss vaccine harms if you're a tory mp 7 that is— discuss vaccine harms if you're a tory mp ? that is how it looks a tory mp? that is how it looks to the— a tory mp? that is how it looks to the th— a tory mp? that is how it looks to the th e— a tory mp? that is how it looks to me in a moment, we discuss the— to me in a moment, we discuss the theet— to me in a moment, we discuss the sheer madness— to me in a moment, we discuss the sheer madness use of high ett— the sheer madness use of high end ththhett— the sheer madness use of high end shoppers from around the wette— end shoppers from around the wtttt htw— end shoppers from around the world now going— end shoppers from around the world now going to paris and tethe— world now going to paris and ttetee tether—

world now going to paris and rome rather than shopping in tthteh— rome rather than shopping in london. surely— rome rather than shopping in london. surely the government heett— london. surely the government heett tt— london. surely the government heett to get— london. surely the government heett to get e— london. surely the government needs to get a grip

so finally we left the european whtth — so finally we left the european when. wet— so finally we left the european union. yes, the— so finally we left the european union. yes, the 31st of march 2020,— union. yes, the 31st of march 2020, t— union. yes, the 31st of march 2020, t wet— union. yes, the 31st of march 2020, i was there- union. yes, the 31st of march 2020, i was there in parliament swee— 2020, i was there in parliament square, 100,000 _ 2020, i was there in parliament square, 100,000 people. hooray ttththtt— square, 100,000 people. hooray economic freedom. _ square, 100,000 people. hooray economic freedom. we can become ttthhettttwe— economic freedom. we can become tthtettttwe .— economic freedom. we can become more competitive . we can more competitive. we can encourage more global business. ahe— encourage more global business. and whet— encourage more global business. and whet ttet— encourage more global business. and what does the— encourage more global business. and what does the british government _ and what does the british government do? complete the tpptttte — government do? complete the tpptttte tt — government do? complete the opposite to that— government do? complete the opposite to that when it comes to wt,— opposite to that when it comes to vat, t— opposite to that when it comes to vat, t teh— opposite to that when it comes to vat, t 90— opposite to that when it comes to vat, i can go to— opposite to that when it comes to vat, i can go to paris or tethe— to vat, i can go to paris or ttetee ett— to vat, i can go to paris or rome and let's— to vat, i can go to paris or rome and let's say you wanted to buy rome and let's say you wanted to hww e— rome and let's say you wanted to hww e wew— rome and let's say you wanted to buy a very expensive ring. you'd do buy a very expensive ring. you'd tt tt— buy a very expensive ring. you'd tt tt th— buy a very expensive ring. you'd tt tt th thtte— buy a very expensive ring. you'd do it in those countries without paying— do it in those countries without hewhe vat— do it in those countries without hewhe vat tt— do it in those countries without paying vat or you'd pay the vat ett— paying vat or you'd pay the vat eht eet— paying vat or you'd pay the vat eht eet tt— paying vat or you'd pay the vat and get it reimbursed . but for and get it reimbursed. but for some reason when we left the twttheeh— some reason when we left the twttheeh whtth— some reason when we left the european union, we decided that wet— european union, we decided that we-t hwt— european union, we decided that we-t hwt vat— european union, we decided that we-t pwt vat th— european union, we decided that we'd put vat on those products, hete— we'd put vat on those products, make sure there— we'd put vat on those products, make sure there was no rebate theret— make sure there was no rebate tttetet et— make sure there was no rebate offered at all. _ make sure there was no rebate offered at all. and— make sure there was no rebate offered at all. and what it means is we're- offered at all. and what it means is we're now losing out on ettwt— means is we're now losing out on ettwt t— means is we're now losing out on about 3 billion— means is we're now losing out on about 3 billion quid's worth of tpehtthe. — about 3 billion quid's worth of spending. that's— about 3 billion quid's worth of spending. that's spending, of course, can be— spending. that's spending, of course, can be from cruise tthett. — course, can be from cruise tthett. st— course, can be from cruise tthett. st wew— course, can be from cruise liners. so you get off a cruise

the— liners. so you get off a cruise the th— liners. so you get off a cruise liner in southampton and walk up the high— liner in southampton and walk up the high ttteet— liner in southampton and walk up the high street. it— liner in southampton and walk up the high street. it can be at heethttw— the high street. it can be at heathrow airport, it can be in ttht— heathrow airport, it can be in httt-tt— heathrow airport, it can be in bond or whatever. we are bond street or whatever. we are tethe— bond street or whatever. we are losing-£3— bond street or whatever. we are losing-£3 billion- bond street or whatever. we are losing -£3 billion a - bond street or whatever. we are losing £3 billion a year bond street or whatever. we are losthis £3 billion a year bond street or whatever. we are losthis selfish3 billion a year bond street or whatever. we are losthis selfish inflicted a year bond street or whatever. we are losthis selfish inflicted wound. on this selfish inflicted wound. the— on this selfish inflicted wound. the httttttet— on this selfish inflicted wound. the political argument against hewthe— the political argument against hewthe thet— the political argument against having that rebate is , ah, but having that rebate is, ah, but if having that rebate is, ah, but t e— having that rebate is, ah, but t e httttth— having that rebate is, ah, but if a british person wants to buy thet— if a british person wants to buy that expensive _ if a british person wants to buy that expensive ring, they do hete— that expensive ring, they do hewe tt— that expensive ring, they do hewe to pay— that expensive ring, they do have to pay the— that expensive ring, they do have to pay the 20% vat. so we tet-t— have to pay the 20% vat. so we teh-t he — have to pay the 20% vat. so we teh-t he tee— have to pay the 20% vat. so we can't be seen as— have to pay the 20% vat. so we can't be seen as a— have to pay the 20% vat. so we can't be seen as a government to be can't be seen as a government to he heththe— can't be seen as a government to he hetpthg the— can't be seen as a government to be helping the rich— can't be seen as a government to be helping the rich politically . i be helping the rich politically . t eet— be helping the rich politically . t eet thet— be helping the rich politically . i get that argument. but in teetttw— . i get that argument. but in reality, think— . i get that argument. but in reality, think how many jobs there— reality, think how many jobs there ee— reality, think how many jobs there are in— reality, think how many jobs there are in retail, how many eeehte— there are in retail, how many eeehte ettwettw— there are in retail, how many people actually thrive off the tett— people actually thrive off the tett tt— people actually thrive off the tett oh the — people actually thrive off the back of the fact— people actually thrive off the back of the fact that people thew— back of the fact that people thew ttw— back of the fact that people come, they fly to britain, they come on cruise— come, they fly to britain, they come on cruise liners and thew-te— come on cruise liners and thew-re htt— come on cruise liners and they're not spending the money thet— they're not spending the money thet thew— they're not spending the money thet thew — they're not spending the money that they were spending before. wet, — that they were spending before. wett, joining— that they were spending before. well, joining me— that they were spending before. well, joining me is alex sthteetheh— well, joining me is alex schlagman, co—founder of save the high— schlagman, co—founder of save the high street— schlagman, co—founder of save the high street dot org, the eetw— the high street dot org, the hettw ttet. — the high street dot org, the daily mail. alex— the high street dot org, the daily mail. alex have run a wettw— daily mail. alex have run a pretty effective _ daily mail. alex have run a pretty effective campaign this week— pretty effective campaign this week too — pretty effective campaign this week 100 quite— pretty effective campaign this week 100 quite significant businesses.— week 100 quite significant businesses. and we've got heethttw— businesses. and we've got heathrow airport and elsewhere . heathrow airport and elsewhere. i heathrow airport and elsewhere. t teh— heathrow airport and elsewhere. t wew— heathrow airport and elsewhere. i can you understand what's going— i can you understand what's going th— i can you understand what's going on heret— i can you understand what's going on here? well i think

ttttttw— going on here? well i think firstly, we've— going on here? well i think firstly, we've got to look at the— firstly, we've got to look at the tettt. — firstly, we've got to look at the facts. people- firstly, we've got to look at the facts. at: firstly, we've got to look at the facts. 3 g the facts. people are spending significantly less money here than they were before relative to other places in europe, significantly. and to other places in europe, significantly . and we're not significantly. and we're not tettthe— significantly. and we're not talking about— significantly. and we're not talking about an— g �*" {pet and we're not talking about an incremental thetee— talking about an incremental thehee. wete— talking about an incremental change. we're talking about big hwtheht— change. we're talking about big numbers here. _ change. we're talking about big numbers here. so— change. we're talking about big numbers here. with; numbers here. so people are coming less and spending less than they are now in france and italy, particularly . but there italy, particularly. but there are numbers in spain to suggest it. there's effectively a 20% off sign over europe that we do not have here in the uk, but we do also have to look at what's the impact of this. and of course what can be done about it . so impact wise course what can be done about it .so impact wise , we course what can be done about it . so impact wise , we are really . so impact wise, we are really talking about a certain segment of the retail market. we're talking a lot about the tourist economy. we're talking particularly around london, we're talking specifically around luxury. now, the reality is the high street is fundamental to the local economy and community all over the uk. and so we need to be clear that

we don't put too much emphasis in whatever funds are available to fixing a problem that only solves something for the few, not the many. yeah i get that point. iunderstand not the many. yeah i get that point. i understand that. but i hete— point. i understand that. but i mete the— point. i understand that. but i made the point.— i understand that. but i made the point. there are cruise thet— made the point. there are cruise tthett thet— made the point. there are cruise tthett thet 90— made the point. there are cruise liners that go into— made the point. there are cruise liners that go into belfast that go liners that go into belfast that gt thtt— liners that go into belfast that go into southampton an so it ttht— go into southampton an so it tth-t twtt— go into southampton an so it isn't just bond— go into southampton an so it isn't just bond street , but isn't just bond street, but eetetettw— isn't just bond street, but generally, you're right, tehetettw— generally, you're right, generally it— generally, you're right, generally it is relatively high ett— generally it is relatively high end wttwttt— generally it is relatively high end products .— generally it is relatively high end products . yes, but it seems end products. yes, but it seems i end products. yes, but it seems t ttht— end products. yes, but it seems t tth-t thew— end products. yes, but it seems i don't know how— end products. yes, but it seems i don't know how you feel about it. i don't know how you feel about t. t— i don't know how you feel about t. t theeh— i don't know how you feel about t. t wew— i don't know how you feel about it. i mean, you know, generally wtth— it. i mean, you know, generally wtth-hteh— it. i mean, you know, generally with-high street,- it. i mean, you know, generally with high street, with with the high street, with hwtthett— with the high street, with business _ i i with the high street, with. business—i mean, with the high street, with- business_| mean, the business as a whole, i mean, the tehtwt— business as a whole, i mean, the tehtwt hettw— business as a whole, i mean, the labour party are— business as a whole, i mean, the labour party are actually making ewtte— labour party are actually making some quite positive pledges ettwt— some quite positive pledges about business— some quite positive pledges about business rates, etcetera. jeremy— about business rates, etcetera. - tetethw—ttthewhet jeremy hunt does seem somewhat tetethet— jeremy hunt does seem somewhat detached-business- jeremy hunt does seem somewhat detached business well. detached from business as well. ttet.— detached from business as well. ttet. thtte-t— detached from business as well. look, there'slbigger_ detached from business as well. look, there'slbigger picture- look, there's a bigger picture here and jeremy's here going on. and what jeremy's got to get his head around, rishi include covid. that the rishi include covid. is that the challenge is not going to get solved by one policy. we look at the tourist situation going on at the moment. nigel and oxford street's been decimated . covid street's been decimated. covid the major department stores are lying empty, sucking life out of the centres and this is not a

london specific thing either. 60% of the old debenhams are still lying empty. 48% of the old house of fraser's is still lying empty, fixing those kind of problems is going to give people reasons to come and reasons to spend well . let's reasons to spend well. let's hope they do. alex- 3 let's hope they do. alex thank you wetw— hope they do. alex thank you wetw hwth— hope they do. alex thank you very much indeed forjoining me. wew— very much indeed forjoining me. how joining— very much indeed forjoining me. how joining the— very much indeed forjoining me. now joining me now is paul tthte— now joining me now is paul tehte, whe-t— now joining me now is paul kehoe, who's been involved over the weett— kehoe, who's been involved over the weett wtth— kehoe, who's been involved over the years with airports running big- — the years with airports running big- wetet— the years with airports running big. major airports. and i guess tyou— big. major airports. and i guess tyou thew,— big. major airports. and i guess tyou thew, et— big. major airports. and i guess , you know, as we— big. major airports. and i guess , you know, as we walk through the ettwett— , you know, as we walk through the airport and— , you know, as we walk through the airport and we— , you know, as we walk through the airport and we see the, you thew,— the airport and we see the, you knew the— the airport and we see the, you know, the aftershave and the hettwthet— know, the aftershave and the hettwthet ett— know, the aftershave and the perfumes and all the things we can perfumes and all the things we hww— perfumes and all the things we buve the— perfumes and all the things we can buy, the idea— perfumes and all the things we can buy, the idea that we heweh-t— can buy, the idea that we heweh-t ett— can buy, the idea that we haven't got to— can buy, the idea that we haven't got to pay 20% vat is tether— haven't got to pay 20% vat is rather attractive. _ haven't got to pay 20% vat is rather attractive. how much teheee— rather attractive. how much tetheee tt— rather attractive. how much damage is this— rather attractive. how much damage is this doing to retail in damage is this doing to retail th httttth— damage is this doing to retail in british airports? i think ttt— in british airports? i think tt-t tethe— in british airports? i think tt-t etthe e— in british airports? i think it's doing a lot- in british airports? i think it's doing a lot of damage. ttet— it's doing a lot of damage. good evening,— it's doing a lot of damage. good evening, nigel.- it's doing a lot of damage. good evening, nigel. by the way. it's doing a lot of damage. you know, if i look at the industry, aviation provides us with our economic airbridge the world. economic airbridge to the world. if that, you damage if you damage that, you damage the uk economy, it's fundamental . well, you know, government

should a strategy should be looking at a strategy that we will that says this is how we will connect with the world, this is how bring people in and how we will bring people in and this how we'll reinvigorate this is how we'll reinvigorate our streets. a joined our high streets. it's a joined up it's over 150 up product. it's over 150 billion. it was forecast that by 2025, pre—covid that tourism would you know, ten, 12% of would be, you know, ten, 12% of the uk economy . it's economy the uk economy. it's economy that we can quickly increase. but the challenge is we've sort of forgotten about it and there are significant challenges in aviation within the environment. of course, with fuel costs. but if we can get people coming into our country i today, our country where i am today, you know, in the northumberland, going to berwick tweed , the going to berwick upon tweed, the high of charity high street is full of charity shops. needs to be vibrant . shops. it needs to be vibrant. we to have tourism across we need to have tourism across the , and government the piece, and government can unlock that very simply. that's the point, isn't it? you know that tourists— the point, isn't it? you know that tourists coming - e 7 you know that tourists coming into httteth— that tourists coming into httteth tt— that tourists coming into britain, it isn't- that tourists coming into britain, it isn't just bond street.— britain, it isn't just bond street. they— britain, it isn't just bond street. they travel all around the— street. they travel all around the ttwhttw. — street. they travel all around the country. and— street. they travel all around the country. and i get that wetht.— the country. and i get that tttht.-whw,- the country. and i get that point. why, why? when this point. why why, why? when this is point. why why, why? when this tt tt— point. why why, why? when this tt tt httthth— point. why why, why? when this is so bloomin obvious ? is jeremy is so bloomin obvious? is jeremy hwht— is so bloomin obvious? is jeremy hwht twtt— is so bloomin obvious? is jeremy hwht twtt htt— is so bloomin obvious? is jeremy hunt just not listening? do you hete— hunt just not listening? do you hewe ehw— hunt just not listening? do you hewe ehw tttee— hunt just not listening? do you have any idea ?_ hunt just not listening? do you have any idea ? no, i don't. ' 3

have any idea? no, i don't. and i have any idea? no, i don't. and t hete— have any idea? no, i don't. and t hewe teen— have any idea? no, i don't. and i have been on,— have any idea? no, i don't. and i have been on, you— have any idea? no, i don't. and i have been on, you know, national media before saying that government really should focus on ensuring that we are the most popular destination. we're seventh in the world, yet we hete— we're seventh in the world, yet we hewe the — we're seventh in the world, yet we have the most— we're seventh in the world, yet we have the most beautiful ttwhttw— we have the most beautiful ttwhttw, tethe— we have the most beautiful country, some fantastic resorts ett— country, some fantastic resorts eht tttetttht— country, some fantastic resorts and locations that— country, some fantastic resorts and locations that people could tt— and locations that people could tt ett— and locations that people could come to and spend their tax tthteht— come to and spend their tax ttttett tt— come to and spend their tax dollars or their— come to and spend their tax dollars or their dollars and hete— dollars or their dollars and ttete tw— dollars or their dollars and make our life— dollars or their dollars and make our life better by emplovin9_ make our life better by employing people. and we're just ttht— employing people. and we're just tth-t tee— employing people. and we're just tth-t tt— employing people. and we're just don't seem to get— employing people. and we're just don't seem to get it. we seem to tttwt— don't seem to get it. we seem to tttwt th— don't seem to get it. we seem to tttwt th the— don't seem to get it. we seem to focus on the wrong— don't seem to get it. we seem to focus on the wrong things. and yet focus on the wrong things. and wet thtt— focus on the wrong things. and wet thtt tt— focus on the wrong things. and wet thtt tt e— focus on the wrong things. and yet this is a quick— focus on the wrong things. and yet this is a quick fix. / yet this is a quick fix. yeah. ant— yet this is a quick fix. yeah. ant t— yet this is a quick fix. yeah. ant t meet— yet this is a quick fix. yeah. ant t .— yet this is a quick fix. yeah. and i mean , i— yet this is a quick fix. yeah. and i mean , i have to say, and i mean, i have to say, though , you know, there have though, you know, there have been others that have made this argument that liz truss and kwasi kwarteng in that budget. i know it didn't last very long, but in that budget they did propose changing this, this, this particular tax. and i think it goes to show that whilst they may have tried to do too much too soon, they might have spooked the markets. they did actually have rather good actually have some rather good idea was but a thought please from you paul on the daily mail

campaign. it looks to be pretty effective. it looks to have big support from business across the piece. and i just wonder whether that might perhaps just tip the balance . it's a quick fix. it's balance. it's a quick fix. it's a quick win. and if i- , e 3 ttt: it's a quick win. and if i think of my— a quick win. and if i think of thw tttee— a quick win. and if i think of thw the when— a quick win. and if i think of my time when i— a quick win. and if i think of my time when i was at airports to the— my time when i was at airports to give wew— my time when i was at airports to give wtw e— my time when i was at airports to give wtw e wew— my time when i was at airports to give you a very brief exempte— to give you a very brief example, europe passenger would thteht— example, europe passenger would theht ato— example, europe passenger would tpeht tte th— example, europe passenger would tpeht tte th e— example, europe passenger would spend £10 on a southeast asian hetteheet— spend £10 on a southeast asian passenger would— spend £10 on a southeast asian passenger would spend £90. and if passenger would spend £90. and t we— passenger would spend £90. and t we teh— passenger would spend £90. and t we eet— passenger would spend £90. and if we can get more— passenger would spend £90. and if we can get more of those petteheett— if we can get more of those passengers coming to our cities, thew— passengers coming to our cities, thew wtt— passengers coming to our cities, thew wttt thteht— passengers coming to our cities, thew wttt tpeht .— passengers coming to our cities, they will spend . they like the they will spend. they like the provenance of— they will spend. they like the provenance of the products that we tett— provenance of the products that we tett et— provenance of the products that we sell at bicester_ provenance of the products that we sell at bicester village or wherever we sell— we sell at bicester village or wherever we sell them. they like thtte— wherever we sell them. they like thtte-tt— wherever we sell them. they like thtte-to tete— wherever we sell them. they like those -to take-and. those things to take back and tett— those things to take back and tell-friends— those things to take back and| tell-friends-been tell their friends they've been to httteth— tell their friends they've been to britain, they've had great to britain, they've had a great the— to britain, they've had a great tthe-thew-we— to britain, they've had a great time they've bought great time and they've bought great htttwttt— time and they've bought great wttwttt ett— time and they've bought great products and they've brought them — products and they've brought them heme— products and they've brought them home they've provided them home and they've provided this them home and they've provided thtt—eh— them home and they've provided this—an injection. this economy with an injection of enthusiasm _ this economy with an injection of enthusiasm and positivity thet— of enthusiasm and positivity thet we— of enthusiasm and positivity that we clearly— of enthusiasm and positivity that we clearly sorely need. and i that we clearly sorely need. and t hettewe— that we clearly sorely need. and t hettewe we— that we clearly sorely need. and i believe we .do _ that we clearly sorely need. and i believe we do that very i believe we can do that very qwttttw— i believe we can do that very qwttttw . — i believe we can do that very qwttttw . wep- — i believe we can do that very quickly - yep- 50- i believe we can do that very quickly. 4sit t3tst i believe we can do that very quickly. v/tsit t3tst i believe we can do that very quickly. v/ts;it t3tst i believe we can do that very quickly . v/tsit t3tst quickly. yep. so do i think this campaign is one that i think this campaign is winnable? i genuinely do. and, paula , thank genuinely do. and, paula, thank you on programme

you for coming on the programme and joining me this evening. thank much indeed. it thank you very much indeed. it is barrage. the is time for our barrage. the farage is first up. i've got paul. hi nigel. this is paul attth. — paul. hi nigel. this is paul attth. t— paul. hi nigel. this is paul atkin. i live— paul. hi nigel. this is paul atkin. i live in— hi nigel. this is paul atkin. l 3 my" 33 hi nigel. this is paul atkin. l s fitth" 33 e�*t: paul. hi nigel. this is paul- atkin. i live in bexhill and one of the questions i like to ask if this north ii scheme goes through what do you think about increasing the presence of the police in this area right. for those that don't know- tsts s stststft 3 gm for those that don't know what s 3 for those that don't know what paul tettthe— those that don't know what paul was talking about,— those that don't know what paul was talking about, north high is a was talking about, north high is ettethet— was talking about, north high is a former military— was talking about, north high is a former military camp, a former tteththe— a former military camp, a former tteththe tente— a former military camp, a former training centre just— a former military camp, a former training centre just to the teeth— training centre just to the teeth tt— training centre just to the north of bexhill. and one of the ttthttett— north of bexhill. and one of the ttthttett tt— north of bexhill. and one of the proposals is that— north of bexhill. and one of the proposals is that it'll take hoo— proposals is that it'll take 1200 migrants.— proposals is that it'll take 1200 migrants. a couple of comments on— 1200 migrants. a couple of comments on it.- 1200 migrants. a couple of comments on it. the first is tthth— comments on it. the first is worth tethh. — comments on it. the first is worth temp. at— comments on it. the first is north camp. at the moment is in the httt— north camp. at the moment is in the most dreadful— north camp. at the moment is in the most dreadful state, so tt-tt— the most dreadful state, so tt-tt teet— the most dreadful state, so tt-tt heet e— the most dreadful state, so it'll need a fair— the most dreadful state, so it'll need a fair bit of work to be habitable— it'll need a fair bit of work to be habitable to— it'll need a fair bit of work to be habitable to any degree at ett— be habitable to any degree at ett. setthttw— be habitable to any degree at all. secondly obe, if you think hoo— all. secondly obe, if you think tzoo tt— all. secondly obe, if you think tzoo tt e— all. secondly obe, if you think tzoo tt e ttt,— all. secondly obe, if you think 1200 is a lot, well— all. secondly obe, if you think 1200 is a lot, well , all. secondly obe, if you think 1200 is a lot, well, on august the— 1200 is a lot, well, on august the net— 1200 is a lot, well, on august the 22nd last— 1200 is a lot, well, on august the 22nd last year, 1295 people tttet— the 22nd last year, 1295 people tttet the— the 22nd last year, 1295 people crossed the channel. it shows you— crossed the channel. it shows wow the— crossed the channel. it shows you the magnitude of what we're

facing-— you the magnitude of what we're tetthe. we— you the magnitude of what we're tetthe. we wtt— you the magnitude of what we're facing. we will be— you the magnitude of what we're facing. we will be overwhelmed . facing. we will be overwhelmed. ahe— facing. we will be overwhelmed. aht hw— facing. we will be overwhelmed. aht hw the— facing. we will be overwhelmed. and by the summer. and paul, you thew,— and by the summer. and paul, you knew twe— and by the summer. and paul, you knew twe heeh— and by the summer. and paul, you know, i've been saying it and eettthe— know, i've been saying it and getting abused— know, i've been saying it and getting abused for it. the home settetetw— getting abused for it. the home settetetw tt— getting abused for it. the home secretary is now— getting abused for it. the home secretary is now saying it. but if secretary is now saying it. but tt wew— secretary is now saying it. but tt wtw eet— secretary is now saying it. but tt wtw eet e— secretary is now saying it. but tt wtw eet e ttt— secretary is now saying it. but if you get a lot of— secretary is now saying it. but if you get a lot of young men tththt— if you get a lot of young men tththg httt — if you get a lot of young men coming from cultures in which women aren't even treated as tettht— women aren't even treated as tettht ttett— women aren't even treated as second class citizens, don't be twtwttet— second class citizens, don't be twtwttet tt— second class citizens, don't be surprised if you _ second class citizens, don't be surprised if you get a negative wetht.— surprised if you get a negative tetwtt. st— surprised if you get a negative tetwtt. to wet— surprised if you get a negative result. so yes, you have every tttht— result. so yes, you have every heht there— result. so yes, you have every heht thete th— result. so yes, you have every right there in east— result. so yes, you have every right there in east sussex to tetheht— right there in east sussex to demand more— right there in east sussex to demand more policing. you really demade more policing. you really demand more policing. you really , teettw— demand more policing. you really , teettw ttt.— demand more policing. you really , teettw to. text— demand more policing. you really , really do. next up,— demand more policing. you really , really do. next up, we have twtte— , really do. next up, we have julie . — , really do. next up, we have twtte . ht.— , really do. next up, we have julie . ht. my— , really do. next up, we have julie . hi, my name- , really do. next up, we have julie . , really do. next up, we have- julie . hi, my name is julie , and julie. hi, my name is julie, and i'd like to ask nigel why have you taken a step away from politics? we need you right now . back in this. you're the only person who can stand up for us. our mp has deserted us. you are the person who could sort this out. come back to politics, julie. thank you very much. it's ever so sweet of— julie. thank you very much. it's ever so sweet of you— julie. thank you very much. it's ever so sweet of you .- ts; thank you very much. it's ever so sweet of you . i did do ever so sweet of you. i did do it ever so sweet of you. i did do tt ttt— ever so sweet of you. i did do tt ttt eh— ever so sweet of you. i did do it for an extra— ever so sweet of you. i did do it for an extra ordinary number of it for an extra ordinary number tt weett— it for an extra ordinary number tt weett ,— it for an extra ordinary number tt weett , t— it for an extra ordinary number of years , i really— it for an extra ordinary number of years , i really started of years, i really started tempetghthg— of years, i really started campaigning in earnest in 1993. i campaigning in earnest in 1993. t ett— campaigning in earnest in 1993. t eet thtt— campaigning in earnest in 1993. t eet thtt the— campaigning in earnest in 1993. i got into the european parliament—

i got into the european parliament in 1999. i left at the— parliament in 1999. i left at the ett— parliament in 1999. i left at the end tt— parliament in 1999. i left at the end of january memorably, at teett— the end of january memorably, at teett ttt— the end of january memorably, at teett ttt the— the end of january memorably, at least for me, in— the end of january memorably, at least for me, in january 2020. so least for me, in january 2020. to t— least for me, in january 2020. to t ttt— least for me, in january 2020. to t ttt tt— least for me, in january 2020. so i did it for— least for me, in january 2020. so i did it for a— least for me, in january 2020. so i did it for a heck of a long the— so i did it for a heck of a long the et— so i did it for a heck of a long the et e— so i did it for a heck of a long time at a literally— so i did it for a heck of a long time at a literally enormous tett— time at a literally enormous tttt tt— time at a literally enormous cost to myself— time at a literally enormous cost to myself ,— time at a literally enormous cost to myself , an enormous cost cost to myself, an enormous cost in cost to myself, an enormous cost th e— cost to myself, an enormous cost th e ttt— cost to myself, an enormous cost th e ttt tt— cost to myself, an enormous cost in a lot of different— cost to myself, an enormous cost in a lot of different ways. and i in a lot of different ways. and t ttt— in a lot of different ways. and i did achieve— in a lot of different ways. and i did achieve the— in a lot of different ways. and i did achieve the key objective my i did achieve the key objective my key— i did achieve the key objective my key objective— i did achieve the key objective my key objective was i felt the etthe— my key objective was i felt the entire political— my key objective was i felt the entire political establishment tethe— entire political establishment were facing in— entire political establishment were facing in the wrong tttettth— were facing in the wrong direction on— were facing in the wrong direction on a- were facing in the wrong direction on a major constitutional issue . and i felt constitutional issue. and i felt by tttw— constitutional issue. and i felt by thtw hw— constitutional issue. and i felt by only by fighting from outside the extttthe— by only by fighting from outside the existing parties could i ete— the existing parties could i create something big enough to hete— create something big enough to ttete them— create something big enough to make them change. and you know whet,— make them change. and you know whet, julie?— make them change. and you know whet, julie? t— make them change. and you know what, julie? i did— make them change. and you know what, julie? i did that i won't ttetee— what, julie? i did that i won't forever rule _ what, julie? i did that i won't forever rule out— what, julie? i did that i won't forever rule out getting back thtt— forever rule out getting back thtt pttttttt. — forever rule out getting back into politics. but right now i'm htettw— into politics. but right now i'm pretty happy_ into politics. but right now i'm pretty happy where i am and hwht— pretty happy where i am and ttwthg ett— pretty happy where i am and trying and hoping that through gb trying and hoping that through eh wewt— trying and hoping that through eh wewt we— trying and hoping that through gb news we can— trying and hoping that through gb news we can also shift and thehee— gb news we can also shift and thehge eeehte— gb news we can also shift and thehge eeehte .— gb news we can also shift and change agenda . there's now he's change agenda. there's now he's here.— change agenda. there's now he's here. htt— change agenda. there's now he's here. het ttet— change agenda. there's now he's here. hot foot from _ change agenda. there's now he's here. hot foot from the house of tttetttht— here. hot foot from the house of commons where— here. hot foot from the house of commons where the government are one commons where the government are wtth— commons where the government are wtth e— commons where the government are one with a majority— commons where the government are one with a majority of 59. jacob tteet—tttee— one with a majority of 59. jacob tteet—tttee eetw— one with a majority of 59. jacob rees—mogg easy day for the etweeht — rees—mogg easy day for the government. well indeed. ' st3 government. well indeed. and nigelt_ government. well indeed. and wtget. theht— government. well indeed. and nigel, thank you— government. well indeed. and nigel, thank you for— government. well indeed. and nigel, thank you for being willing to stand in for me

because i thought we might be voting for another hour and then because i thought we might be vwould or another hour and then because i thought we might be vwould have yther hour and then because i thought we might be vwould have missed ur and then because i thought we might be vwould have missed program.en i would have missed program. but it's for the it's a good day for the government. it's a really powerful of powerful message to the house of lords because i'm worried about what lords will try and do what the lords will try and do to bill. but it's a solid to this bill. but it's a solid majority democratic mandate majority of democratic mandate and may be whisper this and it may be whisper this quietly last got quietly that at last we've got a policy deal with the policy that can deal with the small boats european small boats and the european court human rights. ithink court of human rights. i think on the house of lords,- court of human rights. i think on the house of lords, i- ”i sssets “g ithink on the house of lords, i think wewt— on the house of lords, i think wow-tt— on the house of lords, i think wtwt-tt tttht- on the house of lords, i think your is strong because your point is strong because there-t— your point is strong because thete-t—the there's no question that the text— there's no question that the text wete— there's no question that the brexit vote - 80 - there's no question that the brexit vote 80 seat brexit vote and an 80 seat thet-tttw— brexit vote and an 80 seat hetttttw, the— brexit vote and an 80 seat majority, one of- brexit vote and an 80 seat majority, one of the key drivers of majority, one of the key drivers tt ett— majority, one of the key drivers tt ett tt— majority, one of the key drivers of all of this— majority, one of the key drivers of all of this was— majority, one of the key drivers of all of this was controlling tw-wtw— of all of this was controlling our-now-know,| our borders. now you know, half a our borders. now you know, half e httttth— our borders. now you know, half ethttttth het— our borders. now you know, half a million net migration. all of thet-t— a million net migration. all of thet-t-htt-wei that's not we've not what we wetet — that's not we've not what we wetet ttt — that's not we've not what we voted for. but— that's not we've not what we voted for. but but— that's not we've not what we voted for. but but it's quite ttweh— voted for. but but it's quite ttweh ttt— voted for. but but it's quite tough for the— voted for. but but it's quite tough for the lords to say that the government— tough for the lords to say that the government got the government hasn't got a tttht— the government hasn't got a tththt-tt- the government hasn't got a strong-to control. strong mandate to control tthteht— strong mandate to control tweet-tt- strong mandate to control borders, it actually borders, whether it actually teett— borders, whether it actually teett wtth— borders, whether it actually deals with those borders, whether it actually- deals with -those other deals with echr and those other htthtetht—tt- problems, whether it is compatible,— problems, whether it is compatible, i- problems, whether it is compatible, i mean, they're all ththet— compatible, i mean, they're all ththet thet— compatible, i mean, they're all things that we're— compatible, i mean, they're all things that we're going to find out things that we're going to find twt-the— things that we're going to find out-the course— things that we're going to find out-the course of- things that we're going to find out the course of time. the out over the course of time. the tetett— out over the course of time. the tetett-tt— out over the course of time. the tetett-tt-tt- out over the course of time. the rebels -to .of melt- rebels seem to sort of melt ewew. — rebels seem to sort of melt ewew. hwt— rebels seem to sort of melt away. but loughton and away. but tim loughton and tthett— away. but tim loughton and thet-vet.— away. but tim loughton and others-yes. did- away. but tim loughton and others yes. did they others today. yes. did they ehttethe— others today. yes. did they ehttethe t— others today. yes. did they abstain? i assume they abstained . t— abstain? i assume they abstained . t heweh-t— abstain? i assume they abstained . i haven't had— abstain? i assume they abstained . i haven't had a— abstain? i assume they abstained . i haven't had a chance- abstain? i assume they abstained . i haven't had a chance to look at lists, but at the voting lists, but a majority of 55 there would majority of 55 means there would

have few, if any, have been very few, if any, voting against. yeah. and tehtwt-t— voting against. yeah. and labour's position- voting against. yeah. and labour's position on- s3 333 yeah. and labour's position on this , labour's position on this, tehtwt-t— labour's position on this, labour's position on this, labour's position is difficult hetewte— labour's position is difficult because actually they would like the—wtth- the small boats dealt with, but thew-we— the small boats dealt with, but thew-we-tt— they've got a lot of international lawyers and they've got a lot of— international lawyers and people wht— international lawyers and people who ttte— international lawyers and people who love human— international lawyers and people who love human rights in their party— who love human rights in their pettw ett— who love human rights in their pettw eht thew— who love human rights in their party and they like the httttttet— party and they like the political correctness. so thew-te— political correctness. so thew-te-ehtl political correctness. so. they're- and they political correctness. so they're and they know they're quite torn and they know when wall when looking at the red wall that they'll never win that back if deal with if we don't deal with immigration. well, that's ehtttwtetw— immigration. well, that's absolutely right.- gum ’tsts well, that's absolutely right. well jacobs gum ss well, that's absolutely right. well jacobs up in absolutely right. well jacobs up th e— absolutely right. well jacobs up th e mement— absolutely right. well jacobs up in a moment. but— absolutely right. well jacobs up in a moment. but first, let's get— in a moment. but first, let's get the— in a moment. but first, let's get the ett— in a moment. but first, let's get the all important weather. tett — get the all important weather. ttet-. — get the all important weather. tttt-. thtt- get the all important weather. good-. this is- get the all important weather. good-. this is alex. good evening. this is alex deakin with your latest weather update. is going to turn update. it is going to turn warmer few days warmer over the next few days leading into to a mixed picture for the long weekend, there will be some sunshine , but there'll be some sunshine, but there'll also be some heavy showers as could well be some heavy rain tomorrow from little tomorrow from this little weather system pushing up from the south—west. ahead of it. we've got another weather front bringing increasing cloud and maybe a little rain to the north coast of northern ireland and the west coast scotland by the west coast of scotland by morning, a bit of drizzle in the southwest. shower southwest. the odd shower elsewhere. , it's elsewhere. but for most, it's a dry night. clearer spells across

the of the country will the heart of the country will allow it to turn quite chilly. the coldest conditions in northern scotland frost northern scotland where a frost is again elsewhere , we'll is again likely elsewhere, we'll be down into single digits . so be down into single digits. so a chilly start to thursday , but we chilly start to thursday, but we should see some brighter skies compared to today over north wales and northern england, at least for a but generally least for a time. but generally clouding over again wet weather across scotland with snow on the hills, although the central belt will probably turn drier later and then this next weather system talked earlier , system i talked about earlier, spreading some outbreaks of rain into parts england and wales into parts of england and wales , a little bit milder , but , a little bit milder, but obviously won't feel all that mild with the rain and the increasing winds. and we'll see that rain becoming more extensive through the evening. some uncertainty how far some uncertainty about how far north and how heavy it north it gets and how heavy it is. many places likely to is. but many places likely to see some rain during thursday night. and as we head into friday, you can see here actually a swirl . and it's an actually a swirl. and it's an area of low pressure that's going to edge away during friday and take the rain with it. so,

yes, a damp start for many, but certainly in the west, likely to brighten up on friday with some sunny eastern may sunny spells. eastern areas may stay glum, but it will stay a bit glum, but it will generally drier. still generally turn drier. still pretty cold in scotland pretty cold in northern scotland , but elsewhere, temperatures just rise. and look at just on the rise. and look at this south, 16, 17, 18, this in the south, 16, 17, 18, maybe a little higher, maybe even a little higher, where we some lengthy spells where we see some lengthy spells of a mixed into of sunshine, a mixed bag into the on saturday the weekend, drier on saturday initially, but then some heavy

good evening. here with gb news in a headliners. but in a moment, headliners. but first, bring the first, let's bring you the latest headlines. latest news headlines. and tonight, forces tonight, british forces are racing to evacuate as many people as they can from sudan before a ceasefire ends at 11:00 pm tomorrow . 536 people with pm tomorrow. 536 people with british passports have already been flown to safety on six separate flights . more than 2000 separate flights. more than 2000 british nationals have registered for evacuation, but it's believed thousands more could be in the country . could be in the country. military chiefs have told the