good evening. tonight on farage, . good evening. tonight on farage, we— . good evening. tonight on farage, we look— . good evening. tonight on farage, we look at- good evening. tonight on farage, we look at the government's white paper on gambling. — government's white paper on gambling. lit— government's white paper on gambling. it appropriate to gambling. is it appropriate to treat— gambling. is it appropriate to treat 24— gambling. is it appropriate to treat 24 year— gambling. is it appropriate to treat 24 year olds as if they're not— treat 24 year olds as if they're not tttuttty— treat 24 year olds as if they're not actually grown ups.7 we will atto— not actually grown ups.7 we will ttst go— not actually grown ups.7 we will ttst go to— not actually grown ups.7 we will ttso go to the— not actually grown ups.7 we will also go to the pub— not actually grown ups.7 we will also go to the pub in essex and we tottowet— also go to the pub in essex and we followed this— also go to the pub in essex and we followed this landlord over the course— we followed this landlord over the course of— we followed this landlord over the course of the— we followed this landlord over the course of the last couple of years.— the course of the last couple of vears- ree— the course of the last couple of years. he's finally— the course of the last couple of years. he's finally giving up ent— years. he's finally giving up art terttre— years. he's finally giving up and handing in— years. he's finally giving up and handing in the keys. we reenter— and handing in the keys. we tee rew— and handing in the keys. we wonder how many pubs will this happe“_ wonder how many pubs will this happen-massive— wonder how many pubs will this happen massive row over happen to a massive row over trwttetterre— happen to a massive row over trwttetterre te— happen to a massive row over invitations to the _ happen to a massive row over invitations to the royal wedding 7 invitations to the royal wedding e art— invitations to the royal wedding e art-me— invitations to the royal wedding .7 and-me tonight- invitations to the royal wedding .7 and me tonight on .7 and joining me tonight on a tetttrg— .7 and joining me tonight on a tetttrg pret— .7 and joining me tonight on a talking pint special, the tegewtew— talking pint special, the legendary frank bruno. but tetere— legendary frank bruno. but tetere att— legendary frank bruno. but before all of— legendary frank bruno. but before all of that, let's get tree— before all of that, let's get tne newe— before all of that, let's get the news with— before all of that, let's get the news with polly middleton .

the news with polly middleton. ttret— the news with polly middleton. ttret treet— the news with polly middleton. first nigel, thank you and good evening— first nigel, thank you and good ewentne te— first nigel, thank you and good ewentng te wen. — first nigel, thank you and good evening to you. ”50g first nigel, thank you and good evening to you. 5.r:::r”«r cit" evening to you. the top story on gb news news. the foreign secretary says the government's continuing to help british nationals leaving sudan in northeast . he's urging northeast africa. he's urging them make own way to them to make their own way to them to make their own way to the now for evacuation the airport now for evacuation as soon as possible . british as soon as possible. british forces, meanwhile, are racing to rescue as many people as they can before the ceasefire ends at midnight local time. the us secretary of state, antony blinken, saying the focus is currently on extending that ceasefire . almost 900 british ceasefire. almost 900 british citizens have been flown to safety within the last two days, with the government saying that number is rising. james cleverly saying the uk is looking at helping countries with no diplomatic presence in sudan . diplomatic presence in sudan. for those on the ground, as you went— for those on the ground, as you wewtt expect— for those on the ground, as you would expect that— for those on the ground, as you would expect that we are enenttetne— would expect that we are prioritising those in greatest need— prioritising those in greatest need tnrewgn— prioritising those in greatest need through allocating seats treet— need through allocating seats teeet en— need through allocating seats based on vulnerability , starting based on vulnerability, starting wttn— based on vulnerability, starting with families,— based on vulnerability, starting with families, with children in the with families, with children in tne ettertw— with families, with children in the elderly, the— with families, with children in

the elderly, the disabled or eeeete— the elderly, the disabled or people wttn— the elderly, the disabled or people with documented medical eenttttene— people with documented medical conditions. we— people with documented medical conditions. we have been nettttet— conditions. we have been notified that— conditions. we have been notified that british nationals reeteteret— notified that british nationals registered with— notified that british nationals registered with us about the reent— registered with us about the etewt tne— registered with us about the about the evacuation flights as wett— about the evacuation flights as wett ee— about the evacuation flights as well as announcing them through our well as announcing them through traver— well as announcing them through our travel advice— well as announcing them through our travel advice and also tnrewen— our travel advice and also through organic social media netwerte— through organic social media netwerte et— through organic social media networks of british nationals in swten— networks of british nationals in swten . — networks of british nationals in swten . wr— networks of british nationals in sudan . mrjames_ networks of british nationals in sudan . ii” cuiriifiilg networks of british nationals in sudan . cuilriillg sudan. mr james cleverly, the foreign secretary well, the rmt union has announced workers across 14 train operators are going to be walking out on the 13th of may. they have rejected their latest pay offer. the general secretary, mick lynch, claims the rail delivery group has now reneged on their original proposal, which was to offer a 5% pay increase if the union ended its industrial action . and earlier the aslef action. and earlier the aslef union said its train drivers are planning three new strike days after turning down a 4% pay rise. their schedules across may and june , one of those days and june, one of those days coinciding with the fa cup final and the royal college of nursing

has been forced to cut short strike action planned for this weekend after the government won a legal challenge. today, the high court ruled part of their 48 hour walkout on tuesday would be unlawful. as the ch's six month mandate for strike action would have run out the day before. nurses have been protesting outside the high court today. some signs reading silencing nurses is silencing patients . the dups leader says patients. the dups leader says the government's latest budget for northern ireland is playing politics and punishing people. the funding allocation is likely to result in significant real terms cuts to public services as devolution is currently suspended because the dup are boycotting power sharing over post—brexit trade deals . but the post—brexit trade deals. but the northern ireland secretary, chris heaton—harris, denies it's a punishment and he says he's going to continue to hold talks with the leaders in stormont. a murder investigation has been launched into the death of a

pregnant teacher in glasgow . pregnant teacher in glasgow. morrell sturrock was found dead on tuesday morning. she was 29 weeks pregnant. her baby didn't survive. there's a manhunt now underway for her fiance , david underway for her fiance, david yates. his car was found in a nearby country park. police are now focusing their search on that area . you're up to date on that area. you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and the tune in app. this is gb news, britain's news . britain's news. channel good evening. well, britain's news. channel- . good evening. well, today, britain's news. channel- . good evegovernment:oday, britain's news. channel- . good evegovernment white long awaited government white paper— long awaited government white paper en— long awaited government white paper on gambling. now the were no paper on gambling. now the were ne nerttewter— paper on gambling. now the were no particular shocks in it. much of no particular shocks in it. much et rt— no particular shocks in it. much et tt net— no particular shocks in it. much of it had been— no particular shocks in it. much of it had been trailed and many of it had been trailed and many et tne— of it had been trailed and many of the demand— of it had been trailed and many of the demand was that are eentne— of the demand was that are eentng tren — of the demand was that are coming from legislators. bookmakers— coming from legislators. bookmakers had been to a certain extent— bookmakers had been to a certain extent eenetwtng— bookmakers had been to a certain extent complying with already . extent complying with already. but extent complying with already. nut-enenee— extent complying with already. nut-enenee te- extent complying with already. but change is that since but the big change is that since this legislation— but the big change is that since this legislation was updated and or this legislation was updated and

er neete— this legislation was updated and er neete te— this legislation was updated and or needs to be— this legislation was updated and or needs to be updated , is the or needs to be updated, is the erewtn— or needs to be updated, is the erewtn et— or needs to be updated, is the growth of online— or needs to be updated, is the growth of online gambling. you tente— growth of online gambling. you eewtt newe— growth of online gambling. you could argue that— growth of online gambling. you could argue that every laptop teeteetw— could argue that every laptop teeteetw ente— could argue that every laptop basically puts you inside las vette— basically puts you inside las veeee ,— basically puts you inside las vegee , tut— basically puts you inside las vegee , twt rt— basically puts you inside las vegas , but if you think about it vegas, but if you think about it , ewewtntne— vegas, but if you think about it , ewewtntng tn— vegas, but if you think about it , everything in life's a gamble . we— , everything in life's a gamble . we tate— , everything in life's a gamble . we take gambling decisions every— . we take gambling decisions ewew ttne— . we take gambling decisions every time. our— . we take gambling decisions every time. our pensions are tweet— every time. our pensions are teeet en— every time. our pensions are teeet en tne— every time. our pensions are based on the stock market. our ttgeeet— based on the stock market. our ttggeet tntwetrw— based on the stock market. our biggest industry, financial eewteee— biggest industry, financial eerweee te— biggest industry, financial services, is based on a whole et— services, is based on a whole series of calculated gambles tnet— series of calculated gambles tnet tate— series of calculated gambles that take place _ series of calculated gambles that take place every day, and the that take place every day, and tne teete— that take place every day, and the desire to— that take place every day, and the desire to have— that take place every day, and the desire to have a bet on the neeee— the desire to have a bet on the neeee te— the desire to have a bet on the horses to trade— the desire to have a bet on the horses to trade the— the desire to have a bet on the horses to trade the markets to do horses to trade the markets to te wnetewer— horses to trade the markets to do whatever it— horses to trade the markets to do whatever it may be. it's eenetntne— do whatever it may be. it's something that— do whatever it may be. it's something that is there within nenw— something that is there within many millions— something that is there within many millions of— something that is there within many millions of us, and i know we— many millions of us, and i know we teeewee— many millions of us, and i know this because i'm— many millions of us, and i know this because i'm a— many millions of us, and i know this because i'm a punter. i twe— this because i'm a punter. i ttte te— this because i'm a punter. i like to have— this because i'm a punter. i like to have a— this because i'm a punter. i like to have a bet. i thoroughly enjoy— like to have a bet. i thoroughly enjoy rt.— like to have a bet. i thoroughly enjoy t. r— like to have a bet. i thoroughly enjoy it. i promise— like to have a bet. i thoroughly enjoy it. i promise you , i'm not enjoy it. i promise you, i'm not eeeeettwe— enjoy it. i promise you, i'm not obsessive about— enjoy it. i promise you, i'm not obsessive about it.— enjoy it. i promise you, i'm not obsessive about it. i don't have a obsessive about it. i don't have t nretten— obsessive about it. i don't have a pretten wttn— obsessive about it. i don't have a problem with it.— obsessive about it. i don't have a problem with it. but it's eenetntne— a problem with it. but it's eenetntne r— a problem with it. but it's something i really genuinely enjoy— something i really genuinely enjoy tetng— something i really genuinely enjoy doing and i'll be betting on enjoy doing and i'll be betting en tne— enjoy doing and i'll be betting on the cricket— enjoy doing and i'll be betting on the cricket this summer when awetrette— on the cricket this summer when australia come— on the cricket this summer when australia come over— on the cricket this summer when australia come over and no doubt on australia come over and no doubt en et tne— australia come over and no doubt on some of the big— australia come over and no doubt on some of the big flat races to . ent— on some of the big flat races to . nut r— on some of the big flat races to . nut r teet— on some of the big flat races to . but i just wonder— on some of the big flat races to . but i just wonder with the wnete— . but i just wonder with the whole level— . but i just wonder with the whole level of— . but i just wonder with the whole level of restrictions that ewtttne— whole level of restrictions that ewtttng tn—

whole level of restrictions that we're putting in place, i just werent— we're putting in place, i just tterent tn— we're putting in place, i just tterent tn e— we're putting in place, i just wonder in a free— we're putting in place, i just wonder in a free society whether for wonder in a free society whether ter tnet— wonder in a free society whether for that absolutely— wonder in a free society whether for that absolutely a minute percentage— for that absolutely a minute percentage et— for that absolutely a minute percentage of people that are eretten — percentage of people that are problem gamblers is that ruin tneneettee— problem gamblers is that ruin themselves that— problem gamblers is that ruin themselves that bankrupt themselves.— themselves that bankrupt themselves. and yes , it's true themselves. and yes, it's true in themselves. and yes, it's true tn tne— themselves. and yes, it's true tn tne tert— themselves. and yes, it's true in the very most— themselves. and yes, it's true in the very most extreme cases, tate— in the very most extreme cases, tate tnetr— in the very most extreme cases, take their lives— in the very most extreme cases, take their lives .— in the very most extreme cases, take their lives. i— in the very most extreme cases, take their lives . i just wonder take their lives. i just wonder wnetner— take their lives. i just wonder wnetner we— take their lives. i just wonder whether we need— take their lives. i just wonder whether we need masses of new teetetatten— whether we need masses of new legislation for— whether we need masses of new legislation for those very few people— legislation for those very few eeeete .— legislation for those very few people . atten— legislation for those very few people . after all, there are people. after all, there are neee— people. after all, there are huge numbers— people. after all, there are huge numbers of people addicted to huge numbers of people addicted te mant— huge numbers of people addicted te nant etner— huge numbers of people addicted to many other things that do tnen — to many other things that do tnen tarn— to many other things that do them harm, whether it's alcohol or them harm, whether it's alcohol er trage— them harm, whether it's alcohol er twee er— them harm, whether it's alcohol or drugs or tobacco, or perhaps wnat— or drugs or tobacco, or perhaps wnat tn— or drugs or tobacco, or perhaps wnat tn tne— or drugs or tobacco, or perhaps what in the end— or drugs or tobacco, or perhaps what in the end will be the ttggeet— what in the end will be the biggest killer— what in the end will be the biggest killer in this country, atttetet— biggest killer in this country, atttetet te— biggest killer in this country, addicted to junk— biggest killer in this country, addicted to junk foods. i just werent— addicted to junk foods. i just wonder whether— addicted to junk foods. i just wonder whether we need to go we— wonder whether we need to go we tar— wonder whether we need to go this far because _ wonder whether we need to go this far because we should live in this far because we should live tn a— this far because we should live tn a eeetett— this far because we should live in a society where— this far because we should live in a society where we're grown up enewen— in a society where we're grown up enewgn te— in a society where we're grown up enough to make our own eteteee— up enough to make our own eneteee. ant— up enough to make our own choices. and the— up enough to make our own choices. and the one thing in we— choices. and the one thing in we ereeeeat— choices. and the one thing in this proposal of— choices. and the one thing in this proposal of legislation tnat— this proposal of legislation tnat rearw— this proposal of legislation that really gets my goat is that 18 that really gets my goat is that re te— that really gets my goat is that re te ze— that really gets my goat is that re te er tear— that really gets my goat is that 18 to 24 year olds— that really gets my goat is that 18 to 24 year olds should be ttnttet— 18 to 24 year olds should be ttnttet en— 18 to 24 year olds should be limited on the— 18 to 24 year olds should be limited on the size of steak. t hey— limited on the size of steak. tnet tan— limited on the size of steak. tnet eat— limited on the size of steak. they can put on— limited on the size of steak. they can put on online. so we're treattng— they can put on online. so we're treattng eeeete— they can put on online. so we're treating people aged 24. they tenta— treating people aged 24. they eewtt te— treating people aged 24. they could be men— treating people aged 24. they could be men or—

treating people aged 24. they could be men or women that our parente— could be men or women that our parente atreatw— could be men or women that our parents already, they could be rwnntne— parents already, they could be rwnntng tnetr— parents already, they could be running their own businesses. t hey— running their own businesses. tnet tenta— running their own businesses. tnet eewtt te— running their own businesses. they could be fully part of eeetett— they could be fully part of eeetett ant— they could be fully part of society and our— they could be fully part of society and our community. and yet tet— society and our community. and yet wet tnet-re — society and our community. and yet yet they're being treated in a tttterent— yet yet they're being treated in a different category to all the teet— a different category to all the reet et— a different category to all the reet et — a different category to all the rest of us. you— a different category to all the rest of us. you know, do 24 year ette— rest of us. you know, do 24 year ette neee— rest of us. you know, do 24 year olds need need— rest of us. you know, do 24 year olds need need to— rest of us. you know, do 24 year olds need need to be protected? neeawee— olds need need to be protected? because we're hearing this about trtttne— because we're hearing this about trtttne erae— because we're hearing this about trtttne ae— because we're hearing this about driving cars as well. and you'll etene— driving cars as well. and you'll etnge ae— driving cars as well. and you'll see signs as, you— driving cars as well. and you'll see signs as, you know, tobacco etatte— see signs as, you know, tobacco etatte .— see signs as, you know, tobacco etatte . tea— see signs as, you know, tobacco stalls . you know,— see signs as, you know, tobacco stalls . you know, id this person stalls. you know, id this person if stalls. you know, id this person tt tnet— stalls. you know, id this person tt tnet ten-t— stalls. you know, id this person if they don't look— stalls. you know, id this person if they don't look ,_ stalls. you know, id this person if they don't look , at least 25. if they don't look, at least 25. are— if they don't look, at least 25. are we— if they don't look, at least 25. are we raising— if they don't look, at least 25. are we raising the— if they don't look, at least 25. are we raising the age at which wnten— are we raising the age at which wnten we— are we raising the age at which which we really— are we raising the age at which which we really become adults tren— which we really become adults tren re— which we really become adults tren re te— which we really become adults from 18 to 25.7— which we really become adults from 18 to 25.7 do— which we really become adults from 18 to 25? do 24 year olds neee— from 18 to 25? do 24 year olds need protection?— from 18 to 25? do 24 year olds need protection? your thoughts, eteaeee— need protection? your thoughts, please? farage@gbnews.uk i think this please? farage@gbnews.uk i think we eeee— please? farage@gbnews.uk i think we eeee tee— please? farage@gbnews.uk i think we eeee tee tar— please? farage@gbnews.uk i think we eeee tee tar .— please? farage@gbnews.uk i think this goes too far . and also, of this goes too far. and also, of tt-tt— this goes too far. and also, of course it'll mean— this goes too far. and also, of course it'll mean proof of age, ttentttt— course it'll mean proof of age, ttentttt .— course it'll mean proof of age, identity , online— course it'll mean proof of age, identity , online and everywhere identity, online and everywhere eree— identity, online and everywhere etee .— identity, online and everywhere etee . rte— identity, online and everywhere etee . tt-e tne— identity, online and everywhere else . it's the growth of the big else. it's the growth of the big etate— else. it's the growth of the big etate. we— else. it's the growth of the big state. no surprise— else. it's the growth of the big state. no surprise also that ereeeeet— state. no surprise also that erepeeet tn— state. no surprise also that proposed in this— state. no surprise also that proposed in this package is a 1% tax rew— proposed in this package is a 1% tax tett en— proposed in this package is a 1% tax tett en tne— proposed in this package is a 1% tax levy on the £14— proposed in this package is a 1% tax levy on the £14 billion a tear— tax levy on the £14 billion a tear gamete— tax levy on the £14 billion a year gamble industry. no shock tnere—

year gamble industry. no shock tnere .— year gamble industry. no shock tnere . tnte— year gamble industry. no shock there . this is,— year gamble industry. no shock there . this is, after all, there. this is, after all, a high— there. this is, after all, a net tax— there. this is, after all, a high tax government. but maybe , high tax government. but maybe, just high tax government. but maybe, twet matte,— high tax government. but maybe, twet matte, ae— high tax government. but maybe, twet matte, ae t— high tax government. but maybe, just maybe, as i said earlier , just maybe, as i said earlier, tne— just maybe, as i said earlier, tne arewtn— just maybe, as i said earlier, the growth of— just maybe, as i said earlier, the growth of online gambling did the growth of online gambling ttt neee— the growth of online gambling ttt neet te— the growth of online gambling did need to be— the growth of online gambling did need to be addressed in some way.— did need to be addressed in some way. rerntng— did need to be addressed in some way. rernrng ne— did need to be addressed in some way. rernrng me te— did need to be addressed in some way. joining me is dan waugh, partner— way. joining me is dan waugh, partner at— way. joining me is dan waugh, partner at regulus partners who atttee— partner at regulus partners who atttee en— partner at regulus partners who atttee en tne— partner at regulus partners who advise on the regulation of gambling— advise on the regulation of gantttng .— advise on the regulation of gantttng . t— advise on the regulation of gambling . i think advise on the regulation of gambling. i think i'm advise on the regulation of gambling . i think i'm what you gambling. i think i'm what you tell gambling. i think i'm what you tett ne— gambling. i think i'm what you tett t— gambling. i think i'm what you tell me. i think— gambling. i think i'm what you tell me. i think it's fair to say— tell me. i think it's fair to eat tnere— tell me. i think it's fair to say there were— tell me. i think it's fair to say there were no huge shocks in we— say there were no huge shocks in we wntte— say there were no huge shocks in this white paper. _ say there were no huge shocks in this white paper. no, it was pretty— this white paper. no, it was pretty wett— this white paper. no, it was pretty well trailed. knife. this white paper. no, it was pretty well trailed. ewe. this white paper. no, it was pretty well trailed. knife. pretty well trailed. what we saw tetaw— pretty well trailed. what we saw today, it was is the one area where people are screaming out for more to be done is in the area of advertising , you know, area of advertising, you know, betting company advertising thing is massive on all of our sports and cable tv channels. i note the premier league have eart— note the premier league have eatt tren — note the premier league have said from the— note the premier league have said from the season 2526 they went— said from the season 2526 they went tate— said from the season 2526 they won't have gambling loan shows and won't have gambling loan shows ant tnetenta— won't have gambling loan shows and insignia on— won't have gambling loan shows and insignia on their shirts. tnat-e— and insignia on their shirts. that's voluntary. but you could atee— that's voluntary. but you could atee argue— that's voluntary. but you could also argue that— that's voluntary. but you could also argue that the money that goes— also argue that the money that eeee tnte— also argue that the money that geee tnte a— also argue that the money that goes into a variety of sports ttreettt— goes into a variety of sports directly arnie _ goes into a variety of sports directly arnie horse racing and

mant— directly arnie horse racing and many etnere— directly arnie horse racing and many others, that if you if you aware— many others, that if you if you actually attack— many others, that if you if you actually attack gambling too nuan— actually attack gambling too meet .— actually attack gambling too meet , tea— actually attack gambling too much , you might damage football, much, you might damage football, you much, you might damage football, ten ntent— much, you might damage football, ten ntant tanaee— much, you might damage football, you might damage horse racing. wnere-e— you might damage horse racing. wnere-e tne— you might damage horse racing. where's the balance here? well i mean, regulation— where's the balance here? well i mean, regulation is— where's the balance here? well i mean, regulation is always about finding— mean, regulation is always about finding a— mean, regulation is always about finding a balance— mean, regulation is always about finding a balance between consumer protection and freedom. and consumer protection and freedom. ant t— consumer protection and freedom. ant t tttnt— consumer protection and freedom. and i think where— consumer protection and freedom. and i think where advertising- and i think where advertising and sponsorships are concerned , and sponsorships are concerned, you're right, some of these sponsorship controls packages can important to can be very important to respective sports, not just horse racing. rugby league darts and others. i think the second thing to note is that ban ing advertising is a form of censorship, and as a liberal society we should always be very, very careful about what we decide to censor. third, the research and advertising suggests, yes, it can have an quite a bad impact on people who are in recovery from gambling disorder. so people trying to abstain from gambling erg advertising can be unhelpful for them. but that would that would be two. other products be the two. any other products you apply if your is you can apply if your problem is beer or if your problem is overeating or other things. so it's a reason to censor it.

it's not a reason to censor it. the other thing we're now in the other thing is we're now in a in this this digital a situation in this this digital age the technology age where we have the technology that to put place that allows us to put in place blocks. technology exists blocks. so the technology exists to people, if they don't to allow people, if they don't want to view certain ads, the technology exists to take that out. and where we need to be pushing forward in society is intelligent solutions . but there intelligent solutions. but there will always be people who just want to ban things because of a lack of imagination or or simply a moral view about the sinfulness of activity. sinfulness of the activity. yeah. no. and that applies yeah. no, no. and that applies across-many fields- v435" \tr:::r and that applies across many fields with across many, many fields with the across many, many fields with tne-tne — across many, many fields with the -the growth - across many, many fields with the -the growth of - across many, many fields with the the growth of online the online the growth of online gantttng. — the online the growth of online gambling. proposal in gambling. so this proposal in the gambling. so this proposal in tne-paper— gambling. so this proposal in tne-paper te— gambling. so this proposal in the-paper is that- gambling. so this proposal in the paper is that 18 to 24 the white paper is that 18 to 24 tear— the white paper is that 18 to 24 tear etee— the white paper is that 18 to 24 year olds should— the white paper is that 18 to 24 year olds should be treated tttterenttt— year olds should be treated differently to _ year olds should be treated differently to everybody else wttn — differently to everybody else wttn a— differently to everybody else with a lower— differently to everybody else with a lower stake allowed to be put enttne— with a lower stake allowed to be put online-this- with a lower stake allowed to be put online.-this is- put online. i mean, this is nannttne— put online. i mean, this is nannying that— put online. i mean, this is nannying that is beyond belief, ten-t— nannying that is beyond belief, ten-t rte— nannying that is beyond belief, ten-t tte t— nannying that is beyond belief, isn't it? i mean,— nannying that is beyond belief, isn't it? i mean, dan ? �*ftt�*rz;.. isn't it? i mean, dan? well, i tttnt— isn't it? i mean, dan? well, i tttnt rte— isn't it? i mean, dan? well, i think it's like a lot of things. nigel there is some kernel of logic at the centre of it and we do know that younger, younger males in particular, not not really younger females, but younger do tend be at younger males do tend to be at greater risk of a gambling disorder. that true

disorder. but that is true across of mental health across a lot of mental health conditions. there a logic conditions. so there is a logic to it. at the same time, if to it. but at the same time, if you're 18, you're to it. but at the same time, if you're18, you're an adult and you're18, you're an adult and you deserve respect in the law to adult. and i think it's to be an adult. and i think it's worth thinking about this as potentially two potentially the thin end of two particular wedges . the first particular wedges. the first first is that as the gambling commission has now described younger adults as vulnerable, automatically vulnerable . but automatically vulnerable. but it's also in insulting and demeaning to the vast majority of young adults in our country. yes. and it extends further than that. so the gambling commission also describes older adults as vulnerable. it describes people with as vulnerable. it with dyslexia as vulnerable. it describes as vulnerable describes people as vulnerable if they have poor literacy or numeracy skills. it describes them as vulnerable, arrogant group people . they them as vulnerable, arrogant group people. they sound group of people. they sound twe— group of people. they sound ttte. — group of people. they sound like. yes, well, i mean, the gambling commission has proposed creating low iq in creating a maps of low iq in local authorities. i mean, i dare this is what we're faced with these days. oh, dear. oh, dean with these days. oh, dear. oh, dear. oh, dear. let's say : : oh, dear. oh, dear. let's say i'm a teetnaten— dear. oh, dear. let's say i'm a bookmaker. you— dear. oh, dear. let's say i'm a bookmaker. you know, and i'm got my etee— bookmaker. you know, and i'm got my enee ant— bookmaker. you know, and i'm got my enee ant rte— bookmaker. you know, and i'm got my shop and i've got my regular

ntntere— my shop and i've got my regular puntere tnat— my shop and i've got my regular punters that come— my shop and i've got my regular punters that come in physically or punters that come in physically er tnet-te— punters that come in physically er tnet-te tet— punters that come in physically or they've got online accounts wttn— or they've got online accounts wttn ne— or they've got online accounts wttn ne .— or they've got online accounts with me . what— or they've got online accounts with me . what this proposes and with me. what this proposes and et— with me. what this proposes and et tnte— with me. what this proposes and some of this has— with me. what this proposes and some of this has been happening atreatw— some of this has been happening atreatw tut— some of this has been happening atreatw tut tt— some of this has been happening already, but if anybody gambles tnan— already, but if anybody gambles more than £1,000— already, but if anybody gambles more than £1,000 in one bet or teete— more than £1,000 in one bet or teeee ee— more than £1,000 in one bet or £2,000 over the _ more than £1,000 in one bet or £2,000 over the course of a few nentne— £2,000 over the course of a few nentne .— £2,000 over the course of a few nentne , te— £2,000 over the course of a few months , is that— £2,000 over the course of a few months , is that somehow i've got months, is that somehow i've got to months, is that somehow i've got te etee— months, is that somehow i've got te etee tanne— months, is that somehow i've got to stop taking their— months, is that somehow i've got to stop taking their money. i tnen— to stop taking their money. i tnen .— to stop taking their money. i tnen , tt— to stop taking their money. i tnen , tt tnet— to stop taking their money. i then , if they want to put a big then, if they want to put a big bet then, if they want to put a big tet en— then, if they want to put a big tet tate— then, if they want to put a big bet on, have to— then, if they want to put a big bet on, have to check the source of bet on, have to check the source et tne— bet on, have to check the source et tne nenet— bet on, have to check the source of the money. how— bet on, have to check the source of the money. how do i run a teetnattnt— of the money. how do i run a bookmaking business? as if i've got bookmaking business? as if i've get te— bookmaking business? as if i've get te eut— bookmaking business? as if i've get te ett tn— bookmaking business? as if i've got to put in place— bookmaking business? as if i've got to put in place that level of got to put in place that level et eentret— got to put in place that level of control and— got to put in place that level of control and checks . mtg“ of control and checks. well, the uncomfortable truth is it's already happening because the gambling commission is already forcing bookmakers to forcing coercing bookmakers to put controls actually at put in controls actually at lower than the lower levels than what the government's talked today government's talked about today . way, i think the . so in a way, i think the industry pleased to see some industry is pleased to see some sort of legitimate but open controls here rather than sort of back door coercion from the regulator. if of back door coercion from the regulator . if a punter wants to regulator. if a punter wants to put a— regulator. if a punter wants to put a tan— regulator. if a punter wants to put a fair sized— regulator. if a punter wants to put a fair sized bet,- regulator. if a punter wants to put a fair sized bet, a- g if a punter wants to put a fair sized bet, a four ttgwe— put a fair sized bet, a four ttgtre tet— put a fair sized bet, a four figure bet on— put a fair sized bet, a four figure bet on something, it is tetat— figure bet on something, it is tetat tert— figure bet on something, it is tetat tert natt— figure bet on something, it is today very hard to do. yes, very natt— today very hard to do. yes, very nart te— today very hard to do. yes, very nart te te. — today very hard to do. yes, very hard to do. but— today very hard to do. yes, very hard to do. but actually it's net.— hard to do. but actually it's net. te— hard to do. but actually it's

net. re rte— hard to do. but actually it's not. is it? because there are tttegat— not. is it? because there are illegal bookmakers which of course flourish— illegal bookmakers which of course flourish ? but before course flourish? but before reee,— course flourish? but before reee, we— course flourish? but before 1963, we didn't— course flourish? but before 1963, we didn't have any betting eneee— 1963, we didn't have any betting enene tn— 1963, we didn't have any betting enene tn tne— 1963, we didn't have any betting shops in the country . 1963, we didn't have any betting shops in the country. but 1963, we didn't have any betting shops in the country . but also shops in the country. but also i ge— shops in the country. but also i can go offshore— shops in the country. but also i can go offshore .— shops in the country. but also i can go offshore . there are there can go offshore. there are there are can go offshore. there are there att— can go offshore. there are there att eerte— can go offshore. there are there are all sorts of— can go offshore. there are there are all sorts of betting houses tnat— are all sorts of betting houses tnat t— are all sorts of betting houses tnat t tan— are all sorts of betting houses tnat t ge— are all sorts of betting houses that i can go to— are all sorts of betting houses that i can go to in— are all sorts of betting houses that i can go to in the european ttne— that i can go to in the european ttne ene— that i can go to in the european ttne ant— that i can go to in the european time zone and elsewhere. so ten-t— time zone and elsewhere. so ten-t tne— time zone and elsewhere. so isn't the effect— time zone and elsewhere. so isn't the effect of— time zone and elsewhere. so isn't the effect of this that eeeete— isn't the effect of this that people wtt— isn't the effect of this that people will still want to ganttee— people will still want to gamble? there's a danger that you— gamble? there's a danger that you twen— gamble? there's a danger that you eten-eeeete- gamble? there's a danger that you push people into you push young people into a tract— you push young people into a black criminal— you push young people into a black criminal market and other ganttere— black criminal market and other gamblers leave— black criminal market and other gamblers leave the british tetttng— gamblers leave the british betting industry and go overseas as betting industry and go overseas ae tnat-e— betting industry and go overseas as that's certainly— betting industry and go overseas as that's certainly a risk. 't: as that's certainly a risk. and i as that's certainly a risk. and t tttnt— as that's certainly a risk. and t tttnt ene— as that's certainly a risk. and i think one of— as that's certainly a risk. and i think one of the— as that's certainly a risk. and i think one of the success stories of british gambling legislation in the last 20 years has been actually the black market has been relatively small in this country, certainly by comparison with france , for comparison with france, for example, or some of the scandinavian countries. there is absolutely a risk that tighter regulation , particularly if it's regulation, particularly if it's not targeted at addressing the specific problem we're after , specific problem we're after, may to many recreational may lead to many recreational gamblers taking their their their trade elsewhere. and there are signs that the black market is growing from a relatively

small base and at the moment, the red dilatory action against these black market operators is really to write them letters to say, please don't do this. and that's not a very comforting, you know, it's not comforting to say that the regulator seems to have have this under control on balance down war overall, looking at these proposals , how looking at these proposals, how many marks out of ten would you give it? i think, you know, the teens— give it? i think, you know, the news nae— give it? i think, you know, the news nae nut— g .7’ i think, you know, the dcms has put together a pretty eenerent— dcms has put together a pretty eenerent eet— dcms has put together a pretty coherent set of— dcms has put together a pretty coherent set of proposals. i tttnt— coherent set of proposals. i tttnt t— coherent set of proposals. i think i would— coherent set of proposals. i think i would give- coherent set of proposals. i think i would give it- coherent set of proposals. i think i would give it an eight out of ten. okay. there's some good here. there some good work here. there are some issues, but the most worrying thing is lot of this now gets thing is a lot of this now gets kicked consultation and a lot kicked to consultation and a lot of will implemented by the of it will be implemented by the regulator. will happen regulator. so it will happen outside parliamentary outside of parliamentary scrutiny regulator's scrutiny and the regulator's track these track record on these consultations not strong consultations is not very strong . so i think the devil will be in detail we'll see over in the detail and we'll see over the months. okay yeah. the coming months. okay yeah. like so many aspects of- rtrzzr" g yeah. like so many aspects of our tne,— like so many aspects of our life,-regulator- like so many aspects of our life, regulator the life, the regulator is the eereen— life, the regulator is the person that _ life, the regulator is the person that really has the peer— person that really has the peer t— person that really has the power. i still— person that really has the power. i still think year power. i still think 24 year ette— power. i still think 24 year ette-te— power. i still think 24 year olds-be treated- power. i still think 24 year- olds-be treated-grown olds should be treated as grown upe— olds should be treated as grown tpe.-nenent,— olds should be treated as grown ups.-moment, let's- olds should be treated as grown ups. moment, let's have a ups. in a moment, let's have a teet— ups. in a moment, let's have a teet at— ups. in a moment, let's have a teet at tne— ups. in a moment, let's have a look at the invitations to the

cerenatten — look at the invitations to the coronation and— look at the invitations to the coronation and the outrage tnat-e— coronation and the outrage that's causing. _ coronation and the outrage that's causing. michael cole wtt— that's causing. michael cole wttt tern— that's causing. michael cole wttt tern ne— that's causing. michael cole will join me in— that's causing. michael cole will join me in just a moment.

across the uk. this is gb f this is gb news across the uk. this is gb news tatte— across the uk. this is gb news tatte enew— across the uk. this is gb news tatte enew .— across the uk. this is gb news tatte enew . — across the uk. this is gb news radio show. so— across the uk. this is gb news radio show. so i— across the uk. this is gb news radio show. so i asked- f this is gb news radio show. : across the uk. this is gb news radio show. so i asked you do 24 year olds need protecting from themselves? one viewer says we live under a government obsessed with red tape and sadly , i don't with red tape and sadly, i don't think their opposition would do any better. it's all mad . we any better. it's all mad. we need fewer rules. not more. well, that's how i generally feel about things. fiona says no, nigel. i think it's called personal response ability. stop the nannying . and kevin says the nannying. and kevin says that the risk of getting abuse. i do think that a sizeable number of youngsters gamble money they can't afford to lose and end up getting into financial difficulty, which can then lead to other kinds of issues. turning to crime or drug use and alcoholism . kevin there use and alcoholism. kevin there is no doubt that people get themselves into trouble in a

whole variety of ways, whole manner of ways, and gambling is one of those. but just because, you know , you stop them online you know, you stop them online or physically at a casino, putting big bets on, well , or physically at a casino, putting big bets on, well, i'm sorry, there are illegal ways to do these things. and we could see a very, very big growth of the black market run by dangerous criminals. now we have a wedding coming up. sorry a coronation coming up. very shortly. and i was just thinking , whatever you send out wedding invitations, you always offend somebody. and therefore , it must somebody. and therefore, it must be the same for the coronation and michael cole, former bbc royal correspondent michael , royal correspondent michael, welcome to the program . i welcome to the program. i understand you went with the queen on her visit to beijing a few years ago. so let's begin with that. there is outrage that the chinese vice president, han zheng , has been invited to the zheng, has been invited to the coronation because he's the man that oversaw literally the

destruction of free speech, free media and democracy in hong kong in breach of course, of a treaty that we signed with china . us that we signed with china. us nigel, you're absolutely- nigel, you're absolutely right. tnere-e— nigel, you're absolutely right. tnere-e a— nigel, you're absolutely right. there's a real— nigel, you're absolutely right. there's a real game of chinese eneetere— there's a real game of chinese checkers date— there's a real game of chinese checkers date going on here teeate— checkers date going on here teeate tne— checkers date going on here because the king, when he was rrtnee — because the king, when he was rrtnee et— because the king, when he was prince of wales,— because the king, when he was prince of wales, was not exactly shy prince of wales, was not exactly ent tn— prince of wales, was not exactly ent tn nte— prince of wales, was not exactly shy in his views— prince of wales, was not exactly shy in his views about the cntneee— shy in his views about the cntneee .— shy in his views about the chinese . he— shy in his views about the chinese . he described the chinese. he described the teaterentp— chinese. he described the leadership on— chinese. he described the leadership on one occasion as gnaettt— leadership on one occasion as gnaettt tet— leadership on one occasion as gnaettt tet et— leadership on one occasion as ghastly lot of old— leadership on one occasion as ghastly lot of old waxwork . and ghastly lot of old waxwork. and of ghastly lot of old waxwork. and et , tt— ghastly lot of old waxwork. and of course , it didn't— ghastly lot of old waxwork. and of course , it didn't help his of course, it didn't help his netner— of course, it didn't help his netner .— of course, it didn't help his mother , who _ of course, it didn't help his mother , who was about to make mother, who was about to make a wett— mother, who was about to make a wet, a— mother, who was about to make a wet, a etate— mother, who was about to make a visit, a state visit— mother, who was about to make a visit, a state visit in— mother, who was about to make a visit, a state visit in 1986 to cntna— visit, a state visit in 1986 to china, which _ visit, a state visit in 1986 to china, which as— visit, a state visit in 1986 to china, which as you say, went ant— china, which as you say, went ant tnen— china, which as you say, went on. and then the— china, which as you say, went on. and then the duke of tttnttrgn— on. and then the duke of edinburgh put— on. and then the duke of edinburgh put the cap on it by reterrtng— edinburgh put the cap on it by reterrtng te — edinburgh put the cap on it by referring to people with slitty etee.— referring to people with slitty etee. tet— referring to people with slitty etee. tet nat— referring to people with slitty eyes. you may remember that, tee. — eyes. you may remember that, tee. ant— eyes. you may remember that, tee. ant et— eyes. you may remember that, too. and of course— eyes. you may remember that, too. and of course , that's when too. and of course, that's when treettent— too. and of course, that's when treettent at — too. and of course, that's when president xi came— too. and of course, that's when president xi came to this centre— president xi came to this eetntrt tn— president xi came to this country in 2015 51, the prince of country in 2015 51, the prince et watee— country in 2015 51, the prince et watee ae— country in 2015 51, the prince of wales, as he— country in 2015 51, the prince of wales, as he then was, went awet— of wales, as he then was, went cha .— of wales, as he then was, went cha . ne— of wales, as he then was, went awol . he didn't— of wales, as he then was, went

awol . he didn't turn up at any awol. he didn't turn up at any of awol. he didn't turn up at any et tne— awol. he didn't turn up at any et tne ttg— awol. he didn't turn up at any of the big receptions in the parttee— of the big receptions in the pantee. ne— of the big receptions in the parties. he made his views known teeate— parties. he made his views known teeate ne-e— parties. he made his views known teeate tee a— parties. he made his views known because he's a pal— parties. he made his views known because he's a pal of the dalai tama— because he's a pal of the dalai tana ant— because he's a pal of the dalai tana ant ne— because he's a pal of the dalai lama and he thinks very , very lama and he thinks very, very etrengtt— lama and he thinks very, very strongly against— lama and he thinks very, very strongly against the chinese tateeter— strongly against the chinese tateeter et— strongly against the chinese takeover of tibet. and no doubt tnat— takeover of tibet. and no doubt tnat ne— takeover of tibet. and no doubt tnat ne wae— takeover of tibet. and no doubt that he was right— takeover of tibet. and no doubt that he was right in that . now that he was right in that. now get— that he was right in that. now get tne— that he was right in that. now we've got the situation because netntng— we've got the situation because netntng nappene— we've got the situation because nothing happens very much in cntna— nothing happens very much in cntna tw— nothing happens very much in china by accident . nothing happens very much in china by accident. i can promise you— china by accident. i can promise tet tnat— china by accident. i can promise tet tnat at— china by accident. i can promise tet tnat at tne— china by accident. i can promise you that at the top— china by accident. i can promise you that at the top level. so tnet-re— you that at the top level. so they're sending— you that at the top level. so they're sending along this . mr they're sending along this. mr nartnan— they're sending along this. mr hardman, the— they're sending along this. mr hardman, the man who's behind the crackdown,— hardman, the man who's behind the crackdown, the— hardman, the man who's behind the crackdown, the man who's teen— the crackdown, the man who's teen tne— the crackdown, the man who's teen tne ttg— the crackdown, the man who's been the big enemy of democracy agatnet— been the big enemy of democracy agatnet tne— been the big enemy of democracy against the treaty— been the big enemy of democracy against the treaty that we etgnet— against the treaty that we etgnet wnen— against the treaty that we signed when prince charles, as he signed when prince charles, as ne tnen— signed when prince charles, as ne tnen wae— signed when prince charles, as he then was, was— signed when prince charles, as he then was, was there and the teen— he then was, was there and the eetent wae— he then was, was there and the colony was handed back to china. so colony was handed back to china. se rte— colony was handed back to china. se tt-e tnet-re— colony was handed back to china. so it's they're they're so eattng— so it's they're they're so eattng were— so it's they're they're so saying we're sending the hard te— saying we're sending the hard te tet— saying we're sending the hard man to you because that's what we want— man to you because that's what we want te— man to you because that's what we want te te. — man to you because that's what we want to do. of— man to you because that's what we want to do. of course , is the we want to do. of course, is the teeteten— we want to do. of course, is the teeteten te— we want to do. of course, is the decision to invite— we want to do. of course, is the decision to invite him wasn't tne— decision to invite him wasn't tne ttng-e— decision to invite him wasn't tne ttng-e .— decision to invite him wasn't the king's. it's— decision to invite him wasn't the king's. it's the government's decision every etngte—

government's decision every etngte eetntrt— government's decision every single country with whom this centre— single country with whom this eetntrt nae— single country with whom this country has diplomatic relations except— country has diplomatic relations eteept went— country has diplomatic relations except north korea and iran has teen— except north korea and iran has teen tntttet— except north korea and iran has teen tntttet .— except north korea and iran has been invited . it's— except north korea and iran has been invited . it's up to them. been invited. it's up to them. yet — been invited. it's up to them. yet we— been invited. it's up to them. yet we ne— been invited. it's up to them. yet we t— been invited. it's up to them. yes. no no, i can— been invited. it's up to them. yes. no no, i can see- been invited. it's up to them. yes. no no, i can see that. i can see the diplomatic reasons. now, the northern irish row, of course, is that pamela hicks lady, pamela hicks, who was there and took part in the queen's coronation and whose father , lord mountbatten, was father, lord mountbatten, was murdered by the ira , is not murdered by the ira, is not invited. but michelle o'neill is invited. but michelle o'neill is ianed.the invited. but michelle o'neill is invited. the sinn fein boss in northern ireland, whose own family have been very, very unked family have been very, very linked to republican violence and yet , as linked to republican violence and yet, as first minister, when she said she's going to represent the people of northern ireland to whom this coronation means a lot, do you know what michael cole actually albie that made sense to me . michael cole actually albie that made sense to me. i michael cole actually albie that made sense to me . i agree with made sense to me. i agree with you and nigel, sinn fein. it means ourselves alone. a�*t: \t 95. ti; " it means ourselves alone. we you and nigel, sinn fein. it- means ourselves alone. we alone. but means ourselves alone. we alone. ett eut— means ourselves alone. we alone. tut tut we— means ourselves alone. we alone. tut tut we tate— means ourselves alone. we alone. but but we have the— means ourselves alone. we alone. but but we have the party reaenet— but but we have the party reached out— but but we have the party reached out its— but but we have the party reached out its hand in the in tne— reached out its hand in the in tne peee— reached out its hand in the in tne peee et— reached out its hand in the in

the person of michelle o'neill , the person of michelle o'neill, ant— the person of michelle o'neill, ant t— the person of michelle o'neill, ant t apptatt— the person of michelle o'neill, and i applaud her— the person of michelle o'neill, and i applaud her for it because ene— and i applaud her for it because ene te— and i applaud her for it because ene te tne— and i applaud her for it because she is the head— and i applaud her for it because she is the head of— and i applaud her for it because she is the head of the leading of she is the head of the leading et tne— she is the head of the leading of the leading— she is the head of the leading of the leading party in stormont and of the leading party in stormont ant tn— of the leading party in stormont ant tn ee— of the leading party in stormont and i'm sure she's— of the leading party in stormont and i'm sure she's had to etrtggte— and i'm sure she's had to struggle with— and i'm sure she's had to struggle with her conscience atett— struggle with her conscience atett tnat. — struggle with her conscience about that. i'm— struggle with her conscience about that. i'm sure she's sincere republican, but she's atee— sincere republican, but she's atee teattng— sincere republican, but she's also leading all— sincere republican, but she's also leading all the people of tnat— also leading all the people of that province.— also leading all the people of that province. and if there were atete— that province. and if there were a tete tetaw — that province. and if there were a vote today, i'd— that province. and if there were a vote today, i'd bet you a nap-entt— a vote today, i'd bet you a naterttt et— a vote today, i'd bet you a majority of them would want to eenttnte— majority of them would want to eenttnte tne — majority of them would want to continue the union with this entry— continue the union with this country because— continue the union with this country because there are so mant— country because there are so many benefits— country because there are so many benefits from them doing so. many benefits from them doing tet— many benefits from them doing tet knew— many benefits from them doing tet tnew .— many benefits from them doing so. you know , nigel, i spent so. you know, nigel, i spent mant— so. you know, nigel, i spent many weeke— so. you know, nigel, i spent many weete .— so. you know, nigel, i spent many weeks , many months, many many weeks, many months, many tate— many weeks, many months, many tate tn— many weeks, many months, many tate tn wertnern— many weeks, many months, many days in northern ireland. i was beaten— days in northern ireland. i was beaten up— days in northern ireland. i was beaten up actually in a place eattet— beaten up actually in a place called downing— beaten up actually in a place called downing street, which is just called downing street, which is ttet ett— called downing street, which is wet ett tne— called downing street, which is just off the shankill road. i teaten— just off the shankill road. i was beaten up— just off the shankill road. i was beaten up by protestant tntge— was beaten up by protestant tntge ant— was beaten up by protestant thugs and patched up by catholic tn tne— thugs and patched up by catholic nuns in the mater— thugs and patched up by catholic nuns in the mater hospital. so i tntnt— nuns in the mater hospital. so i tntnt t— nuns in the mater hospital. so i tntnt t knew— nuns in the mater hospital. so i tntnt t knew a— nuns in the mater hospital. so i think i know a little bit about wertnern— think i know a little bit about northern ireland— think i know a little bit about northern ireland and what i went— northern ireland and what i wettt eat— northern ireland and what i wettt eat .— northern ireland and what i would say . and— northern ireland and what i would say . and i felt at the would say. and i felt at the ttne— would say. and i felt at the ttne tnat— would say. and i felt at the time that there— would say. and i felt at the time that there was no need for etee— time that there was no need for eeee peepte— time that there was no need for eeee peepte te— time that there was no need for 3000 people to die often in nerrttte— 3000 people to die often in horrible circumstances and

terrttte— horrible circumstances and terrible atrocities with women tetng— terrible atrocities with women tetng tarret— terrible atrocities with women being tarred and— terrible atrocities with women being tarred and feathered and tntnge— being tarred and feathered and tntnge atte— being tarred and feathered and things like that. _ being tarred and feathered and things like that. it was appalling— things like that. it was appalling because the ballot box was appalling because the ballot box atwate— appalling because the ballot box was always there. _ appalling because the ballot box was always there. they didn't neet— was always there. they didn't neet tne— was always there. they didn't need the bullet.— was always there. they didn't need the bullet. this wasn't a ttetaterentp— need the bullet. this wasn't a dictatorship that— need the bullet. this wasn't a dictatorship that had to be etertnrewn— dictatorship that had to be overthrown by— dictatorship that had to be overthrown by force of arms. the preet— overthrown by force of arms. the preet et— overthrown by force of arms. the preet et tnat— overthrown by force of arms. the proof of that is— overthrown by force of arms. the proof of that is that— overthrown by force of arms. the proof of that is that sinn fein is proof of that is that sinn fein te new— proof of that is that sinn fein te tne— proof of that is that sinn fein is now the majority party in wertnern— is now the majority party in northern ireland. they did it by the northern ireland. they did it by tne tattet— northern ireland. they did it by the ballot box— northern ireland. they did it by the ballot box at— northern ireland. they did it by the ballot box at the end. so i tntnt— the ballot box at the end. so i tntnt t— the ballot box at the end. so i think i think— the ballot box at the end. so i think i think i— the ballot box at the end. so i think i think i think we must apptatt— think i think i think we must applaud michelle o'neill for tetng— applaud michelle o'neill for tetng tnat— applaud michelle o'neill for tetng tnat .— applaud michelle o'neill for doing that . and i listen, this doing that. and i listen, this is doing that. and i listen, this te tne— doing that. and i listen, this te tne ttne— doing that. and i listen, this is the time for— doing that. and i listen, this is the time for reconciliation . is the time for reconciliation. andt_ is the time for reconciliation. ant, tet— is the time for reconciliation. ant, tet knew,— is the time for reconciliation. and, you know, one of the most tne— and, you know, one of the most tne tn— and, you know, one of the most tne tn gag,— and, you know, one of the most the in fact, probably the most tnpertant— the in fact, probably the most important speech— the in fact, probably the most important speech of the queen's retgn— important speech of the queen's retgn wae— important speech of the queen's reign was delivered in westminster- reign was delivered in westminster hall. reign was delivered in westminster hall . you know, the westminster hall. you know, the tn— westminster hall. you know, the tn getng— westminster hall. you know, the tn getng te— westminster hall. you know, the one i'm going to talk about and the one i'm going to talk about and tne ettter— one i'm going to talk about and the silver jubilee.— one i'm going to talk about and the silver jubilee. and she the silverjubilee. and she eart— the silverjubilee. and she eatt, t— the silverjubilee. and she said, i can't.— the silverjubilee. and she said, i can't. i— the silverjubilee. and she said, i can't. i cannot forget tne— said, i can't. i cannot forget tne tatt— said, i can't. i cannot forget the fact that— said, i can't. i cannot forget the fact that i— said, i can't. i cannot forget the fact that i was crowned the queen— the fact that i was crowned the queen et— the fact that i was crowned the queen et tne — the fact that i was crowned the queen of the united kingdom of treat— queen of the united kingdom of treat entan— queen of the united kingdom of great britain and— queen of the united kingdom of great britain and northern tretant— great britain and northern ireland. what— great britain and northern ireland. what she was saying to the politicians— ireland. what she was saying to the politicians who were saying at tne— the politicians who were saying at tne ttne— the politicians who were saying at the time, because of the

terrttte — at the time, because of the terrible violence- at the time, because of the terrible violence that northern retant— terrible violence that northern ireland should— terrible violence that northern ireland should be sort hived ireland should be sort of hived off - protestant _ ireland should be sort of hived off protestant state, that off as a protestant state, that ene— off as a protestant state, that eenen—— off as a protestant state, that. ene—ne-ettet she was saying, no, she's stuck wttn— she was saying, no, she's stuck with .michael_ she was saying, no, she's stuck with .michael ,_ she was saying, no, she's stuck with .michael , i'm - she was saying, no, she's stuck with-michael , i'm going. she was saying, no, she's stuck with f grit g with it. michael, i'm going to have to end there. i'm out of have to end it there. i'm out of time. but i with you and time. but i agree with you and some of our viewers will look upon shock. others upon this with shock. others will well, the hypocrisy will say, well, the hypocrisy of sinn fein not allowing street parties. think she's doing sinn fein not allowing street pariright think she's doing sinn fein not allowing street pariright thing.|ink she's doing sinn fein not allowing street pariright thing. michael, doing sinn fein not allowing street pariright thing. michael, we're| the right thing. michael, we're going to be speaking to you a lot the couple of lot over the next couple of weeks moment, we'll go to weeks in a moment, we'll go to the publican whose troubles we've tracked. pub will be we've tracked. his pub will be closing sunday. have closing on sunday. we'll have a final word with simon cleary in a moment

here on gb news, the people's. channel we've been cnannet— we've been following pubs around the we've been following pubs around tne eetntrt— we've been following pubs around tne eetntrt te— we've been following pubs around the country to see _ we've been following pubs around the country to see whether they etrttte— the country to see whether they can survive. and— the country to see whether they can survive. and of— the country to see whether they can survive. and of course, were— can survive. and of course, tnere wae— can survive. and of course, there was there— can survive. and of course, there was there were government nantette— there was there were government handouts during— there was there were government handouts during covid, but maybe that handouts during covid, but maybe tnat waet— handouts during covid, but maybe that wasn't enough.— handouts during covid, but maybe that wasn't enough. and several ttnee— that wasn't enough. and several ttnee-epeten— that wasn't enough. and several times-spoken to— that wasn't enough. and several times spoken to simon times i've spoken to simon cteart—et- times i've spoken to simon| cteaw—et tne cleary, the landlord of the ttetgn— cleary, the landlord of the ttetgn-at— cleary, the landlord of the plough at great chesterford. plough inn at great chesterford. neree— plough inn at great chesterford. were a— plough inn at great chesterford. were a eetpte— plough inn at great chesterford. here's a couple of— plough inn at great chesterford. here's a couple of clips to rentnt— here's a couple of clips toi remind—previous remind you of our previous conversation. _ remind you of our previous conversation. '5 ” remind you of our previous conversation. ” tziti”r:wt conversation. as our energy bills in our pub alone on the

9th of october are going to be increasing from £13,000 a year to £35,000 a year. generally, it's good news and we welcome it. but whether it's going to be enough to take a dreadful situation and completely smooth it out, i don't think so. it's going to help. but i think we're still in for a very rough winter. we're actually giving up. we're leaving this pub in eight weeks time to put some. well, i've spoken to you before , nigel. yeah, i've spoken to you before. we were talking about what may happen with your bills. let me give you some figures. nigel our gas bill in 2022 for january was £438, including the swindley environmental charge and vat. our gas bill that we received for january this year. was £2,370. nearly five times as much . well, simon cleary joins

much. well, simon cleary joins rte— much. well, simon cleary joins tt-e taet— much. well, simon cleary joins me. it's last orders— int.“ well, simon cleary joins me. it's last orders on rt well, simon cleary joins me. it's last orders on sunday. etnen— me. it's last orders on sunday. etnen rt— me. it's last orders on sunday. simon it wasn't— me. it's last orders on sunday. simon it wasn't just the energy tttte— simon it wasn't just the energy tttte tnetgn— simon it wasn't just the energy bills, though, was— simon it wasn't just the energy bills, though, was it ? . bills, though, was it? it was cotte— bills, though, was it? it was covre reattt. — bills, though, was it? it was covid really. nigel that's what kicked it off . the closures kicked it off. the closures dunng kicked it off. the closures during covid and the enormous change in the way that people behave. and the best example of that as publicans and restaurants across the country will tell you is the changing eating habits, particularly at lunchtime. we certainly relied on local businesses as people from the research parks that are backed by cambridge university to come in here in their small groups five, six, seven, sometimes ten people to have lunch during the day, particularly on a friday. and thatis particularly on a friday. and that is a big chunk of business that is a big chunk of business that we've all lost because now everybody's working from home. those people aren't in the offices and indeed we saw some offices and indeed we saw some of those people during the christmas period and said, hey quysa christmas period and said, hey guys, where have you been all year? and they said, this is the first time we've been together here year. we don't see each here all year. we don't see each other anymore. we know that last

year jamie oliver lost all his restaurants. last month, the restaurants. last month, the restaurant group who owned frankie and benny's and chiquita's and wagamamas announced 50 closures, and i think it was yesterday, or it may have been this morning that we've learnt that another major restaurant group is shutting 40 prezzo is shutting 46 of their restaurants going forward . restaurants going forward. hospitality. nigel unfortunate is in a real mess. yeah you're right. simon it's that cultural etange— right. simon it's that cultural enange. tte— right. simon it's that cultural change. i've seen— right. simon it's that cultural change. i've seen it.- change. i've seen it. absolutely. - change. i've seen it. absolutely. i agree with you. now— absolutely. i agree with you. wew, tetr— absolutely. i agree with you. now, tell me,— absolutely. i agree with you. now, tell me, sunday is the last tat. — now, tell me, sunday is the last tat. wtt— now, tell me, sunday is the last tat. wttt tet— now, tell me, sunday is the last tat. wttt tet te— now, tell me, sunday is the last day. will you be going out with a tang— day. will you be going out with a tang e — day. will you be going out with a tang e we— day. will you be going out with a bang ? �*ft�*ri t day. will you be going out with a bang ? tit”ri \r gri. a bang? we certainly are, nigel. we're open at 12:00. we're going to have a dog show hosted by our regular pub dog oscar with lots of categories . so fun for all of categories. so fun for all the family bouncy castles, face painters, barbecue fish and chip shop live singers , djs. and then shop live singers, djs. and then we're rounding it all off at about 10:00 on sunday with a firework display. so, yes, we are certainly going out with a bang. go well, simon, thank you

for bang. go well, simon, thank you ter tetng— bang. go well, simon, thank you ter tetng wttn— bang. go well, simon, thank you for being with us— bang. go well, simon, thank you for being with us and— 333 go well, simon, thank you for being with us and charting the— for being with us and charting tne-ant— for being with us and charting tnte-ant r— for being with us and charting this-and i want- for being with us and charting this and i want to wish this journey. and i want to wish you— this journey. and i want to wish tet-tne— this journey. and i want to wish tet-tne ttttre- this journey. and i want to wish you the future. and you well for the future. and tnant— you well for the future. and tnant-ter— you well for the future. and thank for coming and thank you for coming on and tetttng— thank you for coming on and tetng-etert- thank you for coming on and telling-story on. i thank you for coming on and. telling-story on. thank telling us your story on. thank you— telling us your story on. thank tet tert— telling us your story on. thank tet tert mutt.— telling us your story on. thank you very much, nigel. thank you very much. well, what a sad etert. — very much. well, what a sad etert. tet— very much. well, what a sad story. you know,— very much. well, what a sad story. you know, nice guy trying hard. very sad story. now, hard. very very sad story. now, the the farage moment the what? the farage moment occurred commons occurred in the house of commons yesterday. natalie elphicke, tory for dover. this is what tory mp for dover. this is what she said . so amendment 184 would she said. so amendment 184 would apply— she said. so amendment 184 would apptt wnetner— she said. so amendment 184 would apptt wnetner er— she said. so amendment 184 would apply whether or not— r: so amendment 184 would apply whether or not the country of apply whether or not the country et ertgtn— apply whether or not the country et ertgtn tan— apply whether or not the country of origin can be— apply whether or not the country of origin can be identified for exanpte— of origin can be identified for etanpte, tt— of origin can be identified for example, if someone is undocumented . covid perhaps undocumented. covid perhaps teeate— undocumented. covid perhaps teeate tnet— undocumented. covid perhaps because they have eaten their ttentttt— because they have eaten their ttentttt papere— because they have eaten their identity papers or thrown their paeepert— identity papers or thrown their paeepert tn— identity papers or thrown their paeepen tn tne— identity papers or thrown their passport in the channel or, as better— passport in the channel or, as border officials— passport in the channel or, as border officials tell me, has eneettngtt— border officials tell me, has shockingly been— border officials tell me, has shockingly been the case, has taken— shockingly been the case, has taken taet— shockingly been the case, has taken razor blades to their ttngere— taken razor blades to their ttngere te— taken razor blades to their fingers to damage and destroy tnetr— fingers to damage and destroy tnetr ewn— fingers to damage and destroy their own fingerprints , to avoid their own fingerprints, to avoid identification _ their own fingerprints, to avoid identification .— their own fingerprints, to avoid identification . then what? �*ft�*irit. identification. then what? what if identification. then what? what tt thew-re— identification. then what? what tt tnet-re tetng— identification. then what? what if they're using razor— identification. then what? what if they're using razor blades to disguise their fingerprints? they've got something very serious to hide and they're

being put up in four star hotels, all around the country and allowed to roam freely in our society. the first duty of government is to protect our people and our communities. and clearly , if men like this are clearly, if men like this are coming into our country, we're being put in great danger. i hadnt being put in great danger. i hadn't heard that story before. i'm up to speed with most things to do with the channel. that's why i hadn't heard. i'm frankly appalled by it. in a moment, a complete change of tone . frank complete change of tone. frank bruno joins me on talking pines. back with you in a couple of moments .

well, earlier this week, i sat down with frank bruno the full half an hour discussion you can find on gb news .uk. but here's 15 minutes of my conversation with that great character and

former world heavyweight champion on this special edition of talking pints is with somebody who i mean, legend doesn't even get near it. you can't even if you're younger, you can't even begin to understand the level of fame this bloke had a couple of years ago. frank bruno, welcome. welcome to you . what a pleasure welcome to you. what a pleasure to meet you . as someone who's to meet you. as someone who's a lifelong boxing fan and i love the boxing , i like lifelong boxing fan and i love the boxing, i like going to the boxing to meet you is it's a real pleasure. cheers, nigel. it's so nice to meet you as wet.— it's so nice to meet you as wet. wew— it's so nice to meet you as well. now back— it's so nice to meet you as well. now back to the beginning. tetr— well. now back to the beginning. tetr parente— well. now back to the beginning. your parents come.— well. now back to the beginning. your parents come. they're- well. now back to the beginning. your parents come. they're part of that windrush rush. yeah. 19505 of that windrush rush. yeah. 1950s move. jamaican . i'm 1950s move. jamaican. i'm jamaican. yeah, that's right. and you're growing up. you're growing up in south london, big family, kids. yeah. and family, loads of kids. yeah. and we hearing these stories we keep hearing these stories about what an awful country we are. who is it? well, they keep saying, oh, britain's a terrible racist hellhole. and, you know what? what was it like growing up in south london? it was all right up in south london? it was all ngnt grewtng— up in south london? it was all ngnt grewtng pp— up in south london? it was all right growing up in— i i“ it was all right growing up in south tenten— right growing up in south london. you— right growing up in south london. you know, i mean, i

tntnt— london. you know, i mean, i tntnt tt— london. you know, i mean, i tntnt tt wae— london. you know, i mean, i think it was 1961— london. you know, i mean, i think it was 1961 when i was tern.— think it was 1961 when i was ten tnere— think it was 1961 when i was born. there was— think it was 1961 when i was born. there was a lot of skinheads— born. there was a lot of skinheads and- born. there was a lot of skinheads and jamaicans fighting eaen— skinheads and jamaicans fighting eaen etner. — skinheads and jamaicans fighting each other. but— skinheads and jamaicans fighting each other. but yeah , nothing. each other. but yeah, nothing. teat— each other. but yeah, nothing. tean ene— each other. but yeah, nothing. tean ene et— each other. but yeah, nothing. yeah one of the— each other. but yeah, nothing. yeah one of the things, one of ten — yeah one of the things, one of ten tntnge— yeah one of the things, one of them things and— yeah one of the things, one of them things and mum and dad, you knew,— them things and mum and dad, you knew tert— them things and mum and dad, you know, very important people in tetr— know, very important people in ten tne.— know, very important people in tetr ttte. tert— know, very important people in your life. very, very important, tert. — your life. very, very important, tert. eut— your life. very, very important, tert. tut eat— your life. very, very important, very. but dad was— your life. very, very important, very. but dad was works in a eate— very. but dad was works in a take factory— very. but dad was works in a take taetert .— very. but dad was works in a cake factory . my— very. but dad was works in a cake factory . my mum was cake factory. my mum was a ttetrtet— cake factory. my mum was a district nurse,— cake factory. my mum was a district nurse, so— cake factory. my mum was a district nurse, so she had had ner— district nurse, so she had had ten wert— district nurse, so she had had ten wert eut— district nurse, so she had had her work cut out,— district nurse, so she had had her work cut out, but she was a geet— her work cut out, but she was a geet nun— her work cut out, but she was a geet ant— her work cut out, but she was a good mum and she's a good nurse as good mum and she's a good nurse ae wett— good mum and she's a good nurse ae wett ant— good mum and she's a good nurse ae wett ant a— good mum and she's a good nurse as well and a christian. cnrtettan.— as well and a christian. christian. yeah, pentecostal in entren— christian. yeah, pentecostal in entren. ewe— christian. yeah, pentecostal in church. give your— christian. yeah, pentecostal in church. give your heart to jesus . ant— church. give your heart to jesus . ant ar— church. give your heart to jesus . ant vou— church. give your heart to jesus . and are you are— church. give your heart to jesus . and are you are you- . and are you are you a christian? i believe in there's eenetntng— christian? i believe in there's something out— christian? i believe in there's something out there. - piti7 i believe in there's something out there. i mean, i tettete— something out there. i mean, i tettete tn— something out there. i mean, i believe in there's— something out there. i mean, i believe in there's something out were.— believe in there's something out tnere. tet— believe in there's something out there. you know,— believe in there's something out there. you know, i— believe in there's something out there. you know, i believe in eet— there. you know, i believe in tet neet— there. you know, i believe in tet neet et— there. you know, i believe in god most of my— there. you know, i believe in god most of my life. and there's eenetntng— god most of my life. and there's eenetntng eut— god most of my life. and there's something out there. yeah, i tntnt— something out there. yeah, i tntnt tnet-te— something out there. yeah, i think they've done me wrong . think they've done me wrong. we.— think they've done me wrong. we. wett— think they've done me wrong. we. wett. tu— think they've done me wrong. no. well, i'll tell— think they've done me wrong. no. well, i'll tell you- think they've done me wrong. no. well, i'll tell you what. actually, the whole of our civilisation _ actually, the whole of our civilisation is— actually, the whole of our civilisation is based on those aete— civilisation is based on those ate ten-t— civilisation is based on those values, isn't it?— civilisation is based on those values, isn't it? really when he eent— values, isn't it? really when he eent-tet— values, isn't it? really when he was sent you know, you're was sent away, you know, you're 12 was sent away, you know, you're re ant— was sent away, you know, you're re ant tet— was sent away, you know, you're re ant tet get— was sent away, you know, you're 12 and you get packed off to a eeneet— 12 and you get packed off to a school-school.— 12 and you get packed off to a school school. yeah school in school. yeah. yeah i , ttt— school in school. yeah. yeah i , ttt tet— school in school. yeah. yeah i mean , did you feel society had mean, did you feel society had wnt— mean, did you feel society had ttnt et— mean, did you feel society had kind of pushed— mean, did you feel society had kind of pushed you off a bit? at first— kind of pushed you off a bit? at ttret r— kind of pushed you off a bit? at first i couldn't— kind of pushed you off a bit?

at first i couldn't understand my mum being that wicked, but when i left the school and when i got into the school, i realised that she took me away from london because london was all the bad boys were. and wherever . and i had to be sent wherever. and i had to be sent away from london get out away from london and to get out of the rat race. and what i was living getting involved with some serious characters. so i'm glad i got fryston if my son i a son and he was young and he was getting out of zinc, i was sending to a borstal like that was it? i messed around. they know what they're doing because a lot of people say, well, a lot of people would say, well, if you go to a borstal, you know, it's a terrible thing. but you're saying actually it at— but you're saying actually it ttt-geet. - but you're saying actually it did-good. it's. but you're saying actually iti did-good. it's the but you're saying actually it- did-good. it's the best did you some good. it's the best thing that could have happened to me. really yeah, definitely. definitely. i very definitely. because i was very naive, young. was big naive, very young. but i was big for and hanging around for my age and hanging around with bigger guys than with bigger, older guys than myself. they couldn't myself. and they couldn't lead me wrong, tree . i me up the wrong, wrong tree. i had half stepbrother called had a half stepbrother called michael and he had my back and warned them guys against me. but walking the streets , living the walking the streets, living the life they used to live, it was

very dangerous and a very brave. i couldn't understand it, how they go in someone's they could go in someone's house. can they can pick house. how can they can pick someone's pocket or something like that. i'm not being wicked, but someone that's your mum but if someone that's your mum or into your house, or someone got into your house, how would you yeah totally how would you feel? yeah totally logical. common sense. so borstal taught you what discipline and everything taught me. discipline get up and go. manners i worked in an old people's home. i was polishing the floor, cutting the grass, cleaning the dog's mess up, cleaning the dog's mess up, clean the aston martin, clean the chicken mess out. that's good. things you know, i mean, away from what i was learning at school. and obviously getting tert— school. and obviously getting tert, tert— school. and obviously getting tert, tert tt— school. and obviously getting tert, tert ttt . — school. and obviously getting very, very fit . super- t and obviously getting very, very fit . �*" . very, very fit. super fit because the school was heels. everywhere you went was heels. you come out the classroom, there was heels, you know, and out in the fresh air in sussex, he felt broad oak. you know, if someone knows that it's really roots countrified , beautiful. roots countrified, beautiful. definitely. yeah but you get geet— definitely. yeah but you get geet at— definitely. yeah but you get geet at tetng— definitely. yeah but you get good at boxing .— jri i .tiil.«t “415?" but you get good at boxing . yeah. very good at boxing. yeah. very gttettt— good at boxing. yeah. very gttettt . — good at boxing. yeah. very gttettt . r— good at boxing. yeah. very

quickly . i trace- good at boxing. yeah. very quickly . i trace .- good at boxing. yeah. very quickly . t crir cit" good at boxing. yeah. very quickly. t cirir / quickly. i trace. go on. yeah, i had no choice. it just got the job i had to do it. and when i was 18, i met a young lady and then we had a little bit of rumbling in the bedroom, and she was producing the baby. so i had to get myself together and i mean, at 11, yeah, the baby's not too cheap. you were the youngest, but you were the youngest, but you were the youngest champion . amateur youngest champion. amateur boxer. boxing champion. yeah still stands today. and you had a great— still stands today. and you had a great amateur— still stands today. and you had a great amateur career,- .. : : and you had a great amateur career, but kind of a great amateur career, but kind et tn— a great amateur career, but kind et tn putte— a great amateur career, but kind of in public consciousness . of in public consciousness. teat. — of in public consciousness. teat. tet— of in public consciousness. yeah. you know,- of in public consciousness. yeah. you know, and i remember the— yeah. you know, and i remember the ae— yeah. you know, and i remember the tet— yeah. you know, and i remember this as, you know,— yeah. you know, and i remember this as, you know, frank bruno turne— this as, you know, frank bruno ttrne pre— this as, you know, frank bruno ttrne pre ngnt— this as, you know, frank bruno turns pro right and suddenly tet-re— turns pro right and suddenly tet-re wtnntng— turns pro right and suddenly you're winning fight after fight arter— you're winning fight after fight atter ttgnt— you're winning fight after fight atter ttgnt .— you're winning fight after fight after fight , right? and you're after fight, right? and you're wtnntng— after fight, right? and you're winning them— after fight, right? and you're winning them all with knockouts . teat.— winning them all with knockouts . teat. re— winning them all with knockouts .tean. re tnat— winning them all with knockouts . yeah. is that is— winning them all with knockouts . yeah. is that is there some een— . yeah. is that is there some eert et— . yeah. is that is there some eert en te— . yeah. is that is there some sort of. is that— . yeah. is that is there some sort of. is that will that tnettnet— sort of. is that will that instinct within frank bruno to wtne— instinct within frank bruno to wtne re— instinct within frank bruno to wtne re tnat— instinct within frank bruno to win? is that is— instinct within frank bruno to win? is that is that what drove vou— win? is that is that what drove tet — win? is that is that what drove tet teat— win? is that is that what drove tet tean — win? is that is that what drove you on. yeah it's— win? is that is that what drove you on. yeah . rt win? is that is that what drove you on. yeah . you on. yeah it's much better to win get punched a guy more hardly punches you. i'm not that kinky to go in there and tit for

tat . when you go in there you tat. when you go in there you don't pay for overtime. so you're best to get him out as quick as possible and go and learn your trade in the gym. watch the fights whatever. watch the fights or whatever. but not a sport to be but it's not a sport to be messed around with. within a couple years, within couple messed around with. within a co years, years, within couple messed around with. within a co years, a'ears, within couple messed around with. within a co years, a utrs, within couple messed around with. within a co years, a u turn. hin couple messed around with. within a co years, a u turn. and couple messed around with. within a co years, a u turn. and i:ouple of years, a u turn. and i remember this- .. and i remember this because i'm of years, a u turn. and i- remember this because i'm born teet— remember this because i'm born ttet arter— remember this because i'm born ttet atter tet— remember this because i'm born ttet atter tet-r— remember this because i'm born just after you i remember just after you and i remember wttntn— just after you and i remember wttntnleetpte— just after you and i remember withinlcouple of— just after you and i remember within couple of years of you within a couple of years of you ttrntng— within a couple of years of you ttrntng-rtgnt— within a couple of years of you turning right suddenly, turning pro right suddenly, trant— turning pro right suddenly, trant-a- turning pro right suddenly, frank a sensation. frank bruno is a sensation. teat.— frank bruno is a sensation. teat-peepte- frank bruno is a sensation. yeah.-people in- frank bruno is a sensation. yeah. people in pubs frank bruno is a sensation.- yeah.-people in-pubs are yeah. and people in the pubs are tatttng— yeah. and people in the pubs are tatttng-trant— yeah. and people in the pubs are talking frank bruno. no talking about frank bruno. no pretten— talking about frank bruno. no pretten-te— talking about frank bruno. no problem. -do you- talking about frank bruno. no problem. do you cope ? how do problem. how do you cope? how do you problem. how do you cope? how do tet eepee— problem. how do you cope? how do tet eepee tet-te— problem. how do you cope? how do you cope? you've been in borstal ant— you cope? you've been in borstal ant-weare— you cope? you've been in borstal and-years later— you cope? you've been in borstal and -years later ,- you cope? you've been in borstal and years later , you know, and a few years later, you know, were— and a few years later, you know, tnere tet— and a few years later, you know, tnere tet — and a few years later, you know, there you are. and— and a few years later, you know, there you are. and you know the tratenart— there you are. and you know the trademark harry— there you are. and you know the trademark harry carpenter , who trademark harry carpenter, who you trademark harry carpenter, who tet mate— trademark harry carpenter, who you made world— trademark harry carpenter, who you made world famous . / you made world famous. yeah, he wate— you made world famous. yeah, he ntate ne— you made world famous. yeah, he made me famous because he was very good at his job. harry. harry. well, you were both great to each other. you were good for each other. yeah, right. you knew— each other. yeah, right. you knew-r— each other. yeah, right. you know-i mean?- each other. yeah, right. you know-i mean? harry. each other. yeah, right. you- know-i mean? harry becomes know what i mean? harry becomes teeernee— know what i mean? harry becomes teeenee-tne— know what i mean? harry becomes becomes-the best- know what i mean? harry becomes becomes the best known becomes one of the best known pnraeee— becomes one of the best known phrases-english- becomes one of the best known phrases english language. phrases in the english language. ttgnt—l phrases in the english language. ttgn.—, ai phrases in the english language. tttgtteare—, ai phrases in the english language. tttgtteare ett—, ai phrases in the english language. rigiyears out of , a phrases in the english language. rigiyears out of borstal , a phrases in the english language. rigiyears out of borstal lad , a few years out of borstal lad tren— few years out of borstal lad tren settn— few years out of borstal lad from south london. how do you eepe— from south london. how do you eepe wttn— from south london. how do you eepe wttn tetng— from south london. how do you cope with being a— from south london. how do you cope with being a star? i put eterttntng— cope with being a star? i put eterttntng te— cope with being a star? i put everything to one side. i'd

worked being a star. i wouldn't really cast myself as being a star. just a ducker and diver and myself in the borstal. i'd just put myself into boxing. i'd left all the business like the accountant. i had the manager, i had the agent put them to do what i had to do because i'm trying that's what what i had to do because i'm tryidone that's what what i had to do because i'm tryidone. but that's what what i had to do because i'm tryidone . but you'hat's what what i had to do because i'm tryidone . but you couldn't at what i had to do because i'm tryidone . but you couldn't walk i'd done. but you couldn't walk tewn— i'd done. but you couldn't walk tewn tne— i'd done. but you couldn't walk down the street— i'd done. but you couldn't walk down the street with— r: : but you couldn't walk down the street with everyone. tet— down the street with everyone. tet-tet— down the street with everyone. tet-tet are— down the street with everyone. you-you are fairly- you see, you are fairly recognised— you see, you are fairly recognised .- you see, you are fairly recognised . well, i fairly recognised. well, i fairly recognisable— recognised. well, i fairly recognisable . recognised. well, i fairly- recognisable . i think the kids recognisable. i think the kids now, they're getting a little bit that. they're looking bit beyond that. they're looking at they're confused than at they're confused more than whatever. yeah , i've whatever. but yeah, yeah, i've got very, very famous pretty quick. you did very, very famous. and then, and then i remember vividly— famous. and then, and then i remember vividly ,_ and then, and then i remember vividly , it's 1989. remember vividly, it's 1989. teat. — remember vividly, it's 1989. teat. tet-re— remember vividly, it's 1989. yeah. you're off— remember vividly, it's 1989. yeah. you're off to las vegas. teat— yeah. you're off to las vegas. tean ter— yeah. you're off to las vegas. yeah for this— yeah. you're off to las vegas. yeah for this fight against tween.— yeah for this fight against tween. ant— yeah for this fight against tyson. and suddenly me, you are etttentt— tyson. and suddenly me, you are etttentt tne— tyson. and suddenly me, you are suddenly the whole blooming eetntrt— suddenly the whole blooming eetntrt te— suddenly the whole blooming country is talking about the tank— country is talking about the frank bruno— country is talking about the frank bruno fight. yeah. against this frank bruno fight. yeah. against the gut— frank bruno fight. yeah. against the gut .— frank bruno fight. yeah. against the gut . ant— frank bruno fight. yeah. against the gut . ant tet— frank bruno fight. yeah. against this guy . and you did hit him, this guy. and you did hit him, tttn-t— this guy. and you did hit him, tttn-t tet— this guy. and you did hit him, tttn-t tet e — this guy. and you did hit him, didn't you ? well,- this guy. and you did hit him, didn't you ? �*ft�*ri.. " . i didn't you? well, i hit him once, and he wobbled like elvis haha. i once, and he wobbled like elvis haha . i thought you had him.

haha. i thought you had him. peg..— haha. i thought you had him. peg. rte-e— haha. i thought you had him. yeah, we're all— i thought you had him. yeah, we're all cheering at the tent— yeah, we're all cheering at the tettt .— yeah, we're all cheering at the tettt . tet— yeah, we're all cheering at the telly . you know,— yeah, we're all cheering at the telly . you know, i— yeah, we're all cheering at the telly . you know, i fought him as telly. you know, i fought him as wet— telly. you know, i fought him as wet, tut— telly. you know, i fought him as wet, tut ae— telly. you know, i fought him as well, but as soon— telly. you know, i fought him as well, but as soon as he recovered, he - well, but as soon as he recovered, he punished me and gate— recovered, he punished me and gate ne— recovered, he punished me and gave me some beatings. . gave me some beatings. tyson it was gave me some beatings. tyson it a geet— gave me some beatings. tyson it was a good fight, much better than people give him credit for. and a dangerous fighter as well . butl and a dangerous fighter as well . but i guess, you know, for tetr— . but i guess, you know, for tetr tet— but i guess, you know, for your career, you know, the mid 905,— your career, you know, the mid eee et— your career, you know, the mid eee es tne — your career, you know, the mid 905, 95 the fight— your career, you know, the mid 90s, 95 the fight and there you are 90s, 95 the fight and there you ant— 90s, 95 the fight and there you are and suddenly— 90s, 95 the fight and there you are and suddenly see you're only the are and suddenly see you're only tne tnttt— are and suddenly see you're only tne tntrt ene— are and suddenly see you're only the third one ever— are and suddenly see you're only the third one ever in this centre— the third one ever in this eetntrt .— the third one ever in this eetntrt . rte— the third one ever in this country . it's frank bruno , a country. it's frank bruno, a neattwetgnt— country. it's frank bruno, a heavyweight boxing champion of the heavyweight boxing champion of tne wertt. — heavyweight boxing champion of the world. you— heavyweight boxing champion of the world. you must have dreamt of the world. you must have dreamt et tnat— the world. you must have dreamt et tnat wnen— the world. you must have dreamt of that when you— the world. you must have dreamt of that when you were a kid. i tttn-t— of that when you were a kid. i am knew— of that when you were a kid. i didn't know if— of that when you were a kid. i didn't know if i— of that when you were a kid. i didn't know if i dreamt- of that when you were a kid. i didn't know if i dreamt of that. you know what i mean? but you do have dreams. that you have plans. the only thing i didn't do of reaching my dreams was get a helicopter. i wanted to get a netteepter— a helicopter. i wanted to get a netteepter te— a helicopter. i wanted to get a helicopter to beat— a helicopter. i wanted to get a helicopter to beat the - t i wanted to get a helicopter to beat the traffic, tut— helicopter to beat the traffic, tut tt— helicopter to beat the traffic, tut tt tan— helicopter to beat the traffic, but it can still— helicopter to beat the traffic, but it can still be arranged. tet— but it can still be arranged. tet knew— but it can still be arranged. you know how— but it can still be arranged. you know how did— but it can still be arranged. you know how did it- but it can still be arranged. you know how did it feel to be world champion? i felt very, very good. very, very nice. very sweet. you know, i mean, it weren't for long, but while it lasted, was very, very sweet. lasted, it was very, very sweet. do what you did it. and

do you know what you did it. and history. yeah. nobody can ever take that away. and by this time tet-re— take that away. and by this time tet-re appeartng— take that away. and by this time you're appearing. you're- and by this time you're appearing. you're in etert— you're appearing. you're in every spitting— you're appearing. you're in every spitting image sketch. tet-re— every spitting image sketch. tet-re nata— every spitting image sketch. you're inaya. you're in, you knew,— you're inaya. you're in, you knew etert— you're inaya. you're in, you know, every panto in the country wante— know, every panto in the country wante te— know, every panto in the country wante te teet— know, every panto in the country wants to duck and— know, every panto in the country wants to duck and dive de—man etert— wants to duck and dive de—man etert tt— wants to duck and dive de—man every tv channel— wants to duck and dive de—man every tv channel wants you . i every tv channel wants you. i r— every tv channel wants you. i r nat— every tv channel wants you. i r nat a— every tv channel wants you. i mean, i had a good manager in tent— mean, i had a good manager in terry tawteee. — mean, i had a good manager in terry lawless. he— mean, i had a good manager in terry lawless. ri rir.r: mean, i had a good manager in terry lawless. ti tit.t: t terry lawless. he was old school . and he taught you the old school way and you put it on the table . you said to you , this is table. you said to you, this is how you do it. this is how he done it, this is how he successfully done it and keep up the way. and i've done it. but a lot of boxers are very jealous of me for working hard and being famous on television. but i wokeist this famous on television. i had to work a while. i achieved. and you were etttt— while. i achieved. and you were etttt tratntng— while. i achieved. and you were still training all— while. i achieved. and you were still training all the— and you were still training all the time. i tratntng— still training all the time. i was training even- still training all the time. i was training even now- still training all the time. i was training even now i'm still training. was that is that sort of training. was that is that sort et a— training. was that is that sort et a een— training. was that is that sort et a eert et— training. was that is that sort et a eert et a— i 3 was that is that sort of a sort of a fanatical thing tnat— of a sort of a fanatical thing tnat tet— of a sort of a fanatical thing that you have— of a sort of a fanatical thing that you have to— of a sort of a fanatical thing that you have to do? trit. that you have to do? fanatical is endorphins after is endorphins looking after yourself. look at yourself. sometimes you look at yourself. sometimes you look at yourself mirror you yourself in the mirror and you already baby already looks like a baby dropping in there. you've got to

calm down. ipp. sit up calm it down. ipp. sit up straight. you calm it down. ipp. sit up straight . you know, you go on straight. you know, you go on tetng— straight. you know, you go on tettng .— straight. you know, you go on tettng , tet— straight. you know, you go on tettng , tet get— straight. you know, you go on boxing , you get hurt- 3 you know, you go on boxing , you get hurt a couple of boxing, you get hurt a couple of thee.— boxing, you get hurt a couple of thee tn— boxing, you get hurt a couple of thee tn tne— boxing, you get hurt a couple of times. in the end,— boxing, you get hurt a couple of times. in the end, like all epenenen— times. in the end, like all sportsmen, the- times. in the end, like all sportsmen, the day comes you tate— sportsmen, the day comes you nate te— sportsmen, the day comes you nate te tatt— sportsmen, the day comes you have to call it— sportsmen, the day comes you have to call it a— sportsmen, the day comes you have to call it a day. and tnat-e— have to call it a day. and tnat-e get— have to call it a day. and that's got to— have to call it a day. and that's got to be- have to call it a day. and that's got to be a bit of a ntgttnare— that's got to be a bit of a nightmare, isn't it? really? it te— nightmare, isn't it? really? it be a— nightmare, isn't it? really? it can be a little— nightmare, isn't it? really? it can be a little bit of a ntgntnare— can be a little bit of a nightmare because once you've teen— nightmare because once you've teen tntettet— nightmare because once you've been involved with the game, i peepte— been involved with the game, i mean, people and— been involved with the game, i mean, people and boxing in front of mean, people and boxing in front et nttttene— mean, people and boxing in front of millions and— mean, people and boxing in front of millions and people, it can get— of millions and people, it can get a— of millions and people, it can get a ttttte— of millions and people, it can get a little bit— of millions and people, it can get a little bit hard to cope, vou— get a little bit hard to cope, tet-wnat— get a little bit hard to cope, tet-wnat r— get a little bit hard to cope, you what i mean? t: get a little bit hard to cope,- you-what i mean? and settle you know what i mean? and settle tewn.— you know what i mean? and settle down. retires any down. anybody retires from any job, know, you've got to job, you know, you've got to find something to occupy yourself. that's right. yourself. i think that's right. i think difference most i think the difference is most peepte— i think the difference is most peepte retre— i think the difference is most people retire from jobs much tater— people retire from jobs much tater .— people retire from jobs much later . sportsmen footballers, later. sportsmen footballers, tee— later. sportsmen footballers, tee .— later. sportsmen footballers, boxers , whatever. rugby players boxers, whatever. rugby players , tet-re— boxers, whatever. rugby players , tet-re tert— boxers, whatever. rugby players tyou're tert tet— boxers, whatever. rugby players , you're very you know, you're etttentt— , you're very you know, you're etttentt tn— , you're very you know, you're suddenly in your— , you're very you know, you're suddenly in your 30s, don't know wnere— suddenly in your 30s, don't know wnere te— suddenly in your 30s, don't know wnere te ge— suddenly in your 30s, don't know wnere te ge ant— suddenly in your 30s, don't know where to go and you don't know wnere— where to go and you don't know wnere te— where to go and you don't know wnere te ge— where to go and you don't know where to go. and— where to go and you don't know where to go. and frank, it all een— where to go. and frank, it all eert et— where to go. and frank, it all eert of, wet— where to go. and frank, it all sort of, you know,— where to go. and frank, it all sort of, you know, the marriage ente— sort of, you know, the marriage ente tne— sort of, you know, the marriage ends, the career's_ sort of, you know, the marriage ends, the career's over. you've neeeet— ends, the career's over. you've neeeet-wttn— ends, the career's over. you've messed-with some- ends, the career's over. you've messed with some of this messed about with some of this etert— messed about with some of this etttt tet— messed about with some of this stuff you shouldn't have done. tet— stuff you shouldn't have done. tet-ant— stuff you shouldn't have done. you-and suddenly- stuff you shouldn't have done. you and suddenly all you know it. and suddenly it all geee— you know it. and suddenly it all geee-etttentt.- you know it. and suddenly it all goes suddenly. mean, goes wrong suddenly. i mean, is it goes wrong suddenly. i mean, is ttltt— goes wrong suddenly. i mean, is itlit loneliness?— goes wrong suddenly. i mean, is itlit loneliness?.it-

goes wrong suddenly. i mean, is it it loneliness? it what it is it loneliness? is it what is it is it loneliness? is it what telr— it is it loneliness? is it what telr mean— it is it loneliness? is it what telr tet- it is it loneliness? is it what is i mean, you know, when is it? i mean, you know, when tet-re— is it? i mean, you know, when tet-re narrtet— is it? i mean, you know, when you're married and you've got a ne— you're married and you've got a gtrt— you're married and you've got a gtrt ant— you're married and you've got a nice girl and you— you're married and you've got a nice girl and you in nice girl and you you're in a tatt— nice girl and you you're in a tatt eut— nice girl and you you're in a fall out and— nice girl and you you're in a fall out and you— nice girl and you you're in a fall out and you talk about tawtere— fall out and you talk about tawtere ant— fall out and you talk about lawyers and the lawyers bills ant— lawyers and the lawyers bills and whatever— lawyers and the lawyers bills and whatever ,_ lawyers and the lawyers bills and whatever , everything comes and whatever, everything comes ttntttng— and whatever, everything comes tumbling down. _ and whatever, everything comes tumbling down. but sometimes you go through phases. you can't win everything. on top everything. you can't be on top all time . you've to take all the time. you've got to take the the smooth. no the rough with the smooth. no no. but you're up. was a lot runner— no. but you're up. was a lot twtter up— no. but you're up. was a lot further up than— but you're up. was a lot further up than most human tetnge— further up than most human tetnge . — further up than most human tetnge . rt— further up than most human beings. it-but- further up than most human beings. it-but my. further up than most human beings . . �*"ti;ti;. further up than most human- beings . it-but my feet was beings. it was. but my feet was always down on the ground. it could be up as high as it wants to but my feet were down on to get, but my feet were down on the ground all the time. keep on the ground all the time. keep on the level want it all. you the level you want it all. you know, sort of. kind of- . you know, sort of. kind of falls to tatte— know, sort of. kind of falls to ttte tn— know, sort of. kind of falls to ttte tn eeet— know, sort of. kind of falls to bits in 2003 and— know, sort of. kind of falls to bits in 2003 and everything you do, bits in 2003 and everything you te, tet— bits in 2003 and everything you te, tet ge— bits in 2003 and everything you do, you go through some sort of tree— do, you go through some sort of ttte trarna— do, you go through some sort of like drama. nana— do, you go through some sort of like drama. nana the worst thing is like drama. nana the worst thing te-tet— like drama. nana the worst thing te-tet ge— like drama. nana the worst thing te-tet ge-a- is when you go through a nerrttte— is when you go through a horrible period. yeah, yeah. tew— horrible period. yeah, yeah. yew—taken- horrible period. yeah, yeah.| your—taken off horrible period. yeah, yeah. - your—taken off to your section you're taken off to wttn— your section you're taken off to wttn mate— your section you're taken off to with maize-all— your section you're taken off to with maize-all-rest- your section you're taken off to with maize all rest of with maize and all the rest of it. with maize and all the rest of t. trettte— with maize and all the rest of it. trouble is,— with maize and all the rest of it. trouble is, frank bruno, the wnete— it. trouble is, frank bruno, the wnete went— it. trouble is, frank bruno, the whole world is— it. trouble is, frank bruno, the whole world is looking, isn't tte — whole world is looking, isn't tte teat.— whole world is looking, isn't it? yeah, no— whole world is looking, isn't it? yeah, no problem. i'm not different no, different than anybody else. no, but difference. yeah. dig but the difference. yeah. dig in. dig but the difference. yeah. dig tn. etg tn.— but the difference. yeah. dig tn. ptg tn. we,— but the difference. yeah. dig in. dig in. no, the— t: ”ti ”ti t yeah. dig in. dig in. no, the difference is in. dig in. no, the difference te .— in. dig in. no, the difference te . tne— in. dig in. no, the difference is . the difference is everyone is. the difference is everyone nae— is. the difference is everyone nae upe— is. the difference is everyone nae tpe ant— is. the difference is everyone has ups and downs. yeah, and bad

ttnee— has ups and downs. yeah, and bad ttnee ant— has ups and downs. yeah, and bad times and things— has ups and downs. yeah, and bad times and things in— has ups and downs. yeah, and bad times and things in life. has ups and downs. yeah, and bad times and things in life . they'd times and things in life. they'd tatter— times and things in life. they'd ratner tttn-t— times and things in life. they'd rather didn't happen, but you're at tnte— rather didn't happen, but you're at the tetet— rather didn't happen, but you're at this level of— rather didn't happen, but you're at this level of fame . yeah. at this level of fame. yeah. wnere— at this level of fame. yeah. wnere tnte— at this level of fame. yeah. where this whole bad time? yeah. tteattt— where this whole bad time? yeah. tteattt tat— where this whole bad time? yeah. really bad time— where this whole bad time? yeah. really bad time that you're going— really bad time that you're getng tnretgn— really bad time that you're going through and, you know, the sun going through and, you know, the wrtttng— going through and, you know, the sun are writing big— going through and, you know, the sun are writing big front page neatttnee— sun are writing big front page headlines that— sun are writing big front page headlines that arnie that really are headlines that arnie that really neattt— headlines that arnie that really are really aren't— headlines that arnie that really are really aren't very nice . are really aren't very nice. what— are really aren't very nice. what part— are really aren't very nice. what part life— are really aren't very nice. what part life you- are really aren't very nice. what part life you got- are really aren't very nice. what part life you got the rough with the smooth you got . with the smooth you got. sometimes in life you can't expect everything to go hunky dory . sometimes you've got to go dory. sometimes you've got to go for the rough to appreciate the smooth. so yes, no problem at all. a lot of people , a lot of all. a lot of people, a lot of epenenen— all. a lot of people, a lot of epenenen a— all. a lot of people, a lot of sportsmen, a lot— all. a lot of people, a lot of sportsmen, a lot of- a lot of people, a lot of sportsmen, a lot of actors reeent— sportsmen, a lot of actors reeent tne— sportsmen, a lot of actors resent the press. i don't resent tne— resent the press. i don't resent tne preee — resent the press. i don't resent the press. they're— resent the press. i don't resent the press. “cg ”ti ”ri the press. they're they're they're there to help you get where you want to get. so you can't really knock them when they find faults in you because you won't be writing , not taking you won't be writing, not taking the rough with the you the rough with the smooth. you can't bigheaded. and yes. so can't be bigheaded. and yes. so you mean they kind of . so you mean they kind of built you up you mean they kind of built you tpltegtn— you mean they kind of built you tpltegtn wttne— you mean they kind of built you up .begin with? in _ you mean they kind of built you up begin with? in a way they up to begin with? in a way they tutt— up to begin with? in a way they ttttt tet— up to begin with? in a way they ttttt tet up— up to begin with? in a way they ttttt tet up te— up to begin with? in a way they built you up to knock you down. that-e.— built you up to knock you down. ttate-wtat— built you up to knock you down. that's-what the- built you up to knock you down. that's. -what the british i that's. that's what the british press do to everybody.

press always do to everybody. yeah, they're good at doing that. but can't really that. yeah, but i can't really claim famous. they claim they made me famous. they made of money. so i'm made me a lot of money. so i'm not grumbling about that. not really grumbling about that. you you, you get you know, sometimes you, you get a bit dodgy when they get involved your private involved in your private life, but take the rough but you've got to take the rough with man. you can't with the smooth man. you can't get paid, well looked after get well paid, well looked after and your all the and shouting your name all the time without stick. time without taking some stick. yeah, some stick. but frank, wnat— yeah, some stick. but frank, wnat tet-te— yeah, some stick. but frank, what you've done.- t/tirit" tee” but frank, what you've done. yeah i'll t/tirit" ti but frank, what you've done. yeah i'll tell you— what you've done. yeah i'll tell tet-tntnt— what you've done. yeah i'll tell you -think you've- what you've done. yeah i'll tell you think you've done. you what i think you've done. i ttne— you what i think you've done. i tntnt. t— you what i think you've done. i think. i think— you what i think you've done. i think. i think taken the think. i think you've taken the tewnette— think. i think you've taken the downside side— think. i think you've taken the downside side of— think. i think you've taken the downside side of your life. and tnte— downside side of your life. and the pretten— downside side of your life. and this problem—had. this problem that you've had. ant— this problem that you've had. ant-taet- this problem that you've had. ant-tact a- this problem that you've had. and back a couple of and it's come back a couple of ttnee—tet- and it's come back a couple ofi times,_you seem times, but every time you seem to times, but every time you seem telatte— times, but every time you seem telatte te— times, but every time you seem to.able to deal— times, but every time you seem to able to deal with it. to be able to deal with it. teat.— to be able to deal with it. teat. ant— to be able to deal with it. yeah. and sort— to be able to deal with it. yeah. and sort it out. maybe not eaew— yeah. and sort it out. maybe not eaew-ett— yeah. and sort it out. maybe not eaew-ett tet-te- yeah. and sort it out. maybe not easy, but you've kind of easy, right? but you've kind of i easy, right? but you've kind of t tntnt— easy, right? but you've kind of t tntnt wnat— easy, right? but you've kind of i think what you've become now is i think what you've become now te tet-te— i think what you've become now is you've turned _ i think what you've become now is you've turned a— i think what you've become now is you've turned a negative kyiv in is you've turned a negative kyiv tn tetr— is you've turned a negative kyiv tn tew atte— is you've turned a negative kyiv in your life around— is you've turned a negative kyiv in your life around and into tetng— in your life around and into tetng a— in your life around and into being a positive— in your life around and into being a positive , right? you being a positive, right? you knew,— being a positive, right? you knew eo— being a positive, right? you know, 20 years— being a positive, right? you know, 20 years ago , people know, 20 years ago, people tttn-t— know, 20 years ago, people didn't really— know, 20 years ago, people didn't really want to talk about nentat— didn't really want to talk about mental health— didn't really want to talk about mental health at— didn't really want to talk about mental health at all. it was all tee— mental health at all. it was all tee tteentng,— mental health at all. it was all too blooming, difficult, shameful,— too blooming, difficult, shameful, you know, too tttttettt. — shameful, you know, too difficult. yeah. and a sense of

ename— difficult. yeah. and a sense of enane .— difficult. yeah. and a sense of enane . ant— difficult. yeah. and a sense of shame . and no,— difficult. yeah. and a sense of shame . and no, i— difficult. yeah. and a sense of shame . and no, i agree with you. shame. and no, i agree with you. i shame. and no, i agree with you. t ateetttett— shame. and no, i agree with you. i absolutely agree— shame. and no, i agree with you. i absolutely agree with you. but wnat— i absolutely agree with you. but wnat tet-te— i absolutely agree with you. but what you've done— i absolutely agree with you. but what you've done and maybe you tttn-t— what you've done and maybe you tttn-t tate— what you've done and maybe you didn't have much— what you've done and maybe you didn't have much choice being as tarnete— didn't have much choice being as tarnete ae tet— didn't have much choice being as famous as you were,— didn't have much choice being as famous as you were, but, you knew.— famous as you were, but, you knew. eut— famous as you were, but, you knew. tut tet— famous as you were, but, you know. but you could have just nttten— know. but you could have just nttten away— know. but you could have just hidden away for— know. but you could have just hidden away for the rest of your ttte. — hidden away for the rest of your ttte. -naten-t— hidden away for the rest of your life. -haven't done- hidden away for the rest of your life. haven't done that. life. but you haven't done that. tet— life. but you haven't done that. tet-tene— life. but you haven't done that. you-done that. - life. but you haven't done that. you done that. you've you haven't done that. you've eentrentet— you haven't done that. you've confronted public. confronted this in public. tet-te— confronted this in public. you've talked— confronted this in public. you've talked about and you've talked about this. and for you've talked about this. and ter wnat— you've talked about this. and ter wnat t— you've talked about this. and for what i can— you've talked about this. and for what i can see, you've tried to for what i can see, you've tried te turn— for what i can see, you've tried te turn tew— for what i can see, you've tried to turn your problems around tnte— to turn your problems around tnte tetng— to turn your problems around tnte tetng a— to turn your problems around into being a positive with , you into being a positive with, you knew,— into being a positive with, you knew tne— into being a positive with, you know, the frank— into being a positive with, you know, the frank bruno foundation and know, the frank bruno foundation ant tne— know, the frank bruno foundation ant tne wert— know, the frank bruno foundation and the work that— know, the frank bruno foundation and the work that you have tried to and the work that you have tried te te— and the work that you have tried te te ant— and the work that you have tried to do and explain— and the work that you have tried to do and explain to us, what tet— to do and explain to us, what tet tetnge— to do and explain to us, what are you doing? what are you tntng— are you doing? what are you twtng te— are you doing? what are you twtng te te— are you doing? what are you trying to do with— are you doing? what are you trying to do with the frank ertne— trying to do with the frank bruno foundation, the foundation is bruno foundation, the foundation te up— bruno foundation, the foundation te up ant— bruno foundation, the foundation te up ant getng— bruno foundation, the foundation is up and going and the people to is up and going and the people te te— is up and going and the people te te a— is up and going and the people te te a te— is up and going and the people te te a re a— is up and going and the people to do a 12, a 12— is up and going and the people to do a 12, a 12 week course tnat— to do a 12, a 12 week course tnat tnet— to do a 12, a 12 week course tnat tnet are— to do a 12, a 12 week course that they are learning about nentat— that they are learning about mental health,— that they are learning about mental health, learning about tneneettee— mental health, learning about themselves, because most of the peepte— themselves, because most of the peepte wnat— themselves, because most of the people what we're— themselves, because most of the people what we're dealing with atn-t— people what we're dealing with atn-t teen— people what we're dealing with atn-t teen at— people what we're dealing with ain't been at the— people what we're dealing with ain't been at the house in 12 nentne. — ain't been at the house in 12 months. they've- ain't been at the house in 12 months. “cg trig trig months. they've been very, very scared, very nervous and scared, very, very nervous and coming out and there's all different things. schizophrenia bipolar, all different things out there. what people are suffering from . so what's the

suffering from. so what's the next— suffering from. so what's the next ttg— suffering from. so what's the next ttg pran— suffering from. so what's the next big plan for— suffering from. so what's the next big plan for you?- g so what's the next big plan for you? you can't go next big plan for you? you can't ge taet— next big plan for you? you can't ge tact te— next big plan for you? you can't go back to boxing. /tit. t i . grit go back to boxing. you can't go taet— go back to boxing. you can't go back to boxing. i've got a book coming out at the moment, so i'm trying to sell that. but it's ducking and diving each day. go to the gym, try and look after yourself and thank god when you get and say, this 60 get out and you say, this is 60 years, years, yeah , 60 years years, 60 years, yeah, 60 years of fight, 60 years of fighter ducker and diver. of fight, 60 years of fighter ducker and diver . you're not far ducker and diver. you're not far behind you not? yeah. behind me, are you not? yeah. you're in front of me. no, i'm just you're in front of me. no, i'm ttet tentnt— you're in front of me. no, i'm just behind you. _ you're in front of me. no, i'm just behind you. i'm- /tit. ”ti " no, i'm just behind you. i'm just behind tet.— just behind you. i'm just behind tet. eo— just behind you. i'm just behind wet. to er— just behind you. i'm just behind wet. to er eo— just behind you. i'm just behind you. 60 or 60 years. a fighter. tne— you. 60 or 60 years. a fighter. tne teet— you. 60 or 60 years. a fighter. tne teet att— you. 60 or 60 years. a fighter. the book all about frank bruno's ttte. — the book all about frank bruno's ttte. tttgnte— the book all about frank bruno's ttte. tttgnte te— the book all about frank bruno's life. right? is it— the book all about frank bruno's life. right? is it all— the book all about frank bruno's life. right? is it all true? tweet— life. right? is it all true? tteet et— life. right? is it all true? most of it's— life. right? is it all true? most of it's true. . most of it's true. it's true. wen, — most of it's true. it's true. wen, trant— most of it's true. it's true. well, frank, bruno- most of it's true. it's true. well, frank, bruno ,- most of it's true. . well, frank, bruno , all i can well, frank, bruno, all i can say— well, frank, bruno, all i can eat te— well, frank, bruno, all i can eat te wnat— well, frank, bruno, all i can say is what an— well, frank, bruno, all i can say is what an absolute pleasure it say is what an absolute pleasure tt te. — say is what an absolute pleasure tt te. ant— say is what an absolute pleasure tt te. ant tet— say is what an absolute pleasure it is. and you know— say is what an absolute pleasure it is. and you know what you tetgnt— it is. and you know what you tetgnt a— it is. and you know what you tetgnt a tet— it is. and you know what you bought a lot of— it is. and you know what you bought a lot of joy , a lot of bought a lot of joy, a lot of tatgnter— bought a lot of joy, a lot of tatgnter te— bought a lot of joy, a lot of laughter to a— bought a lot of joy, a lot of laughter to a lot- bought a lot of joy, a lot of laughter to a lot of people . you laughter to a lot of people. you knew— laughter to a lot of people. you knew wnate— laughter to a lot of people. you know what? you— laughter to a lot of people. you know what? you know what i mean? i know what? you know what i mean? t reat— know what? you know what i mean? t reat t— know what? you know what i mean? t reat t tntnt— know what? you know what i mean? i read i think about— know what? you know what i mean? i read i think about it— know what? you know what i mean? i read i think about it. know what? you know what i mean? i read i think about it . thank i read i think about it. thank you— i read i think about it. thank tet ter— i read i think about it. thank tet tertetntng— i read i think about it. thank you forjoining me. you for joining me. thank you. what— you for joining me. thank you. what a— you for joining me. thank you. what a pleasure. cheers. respect, boss. cheers well, that

laugh, it just had to be frank bruno, didn't it? and what an ateetttett— bruno, didn't it? and what an absolutely delightful- t: t: i . .7’ and what an absolutely delightful man. i reatt— absolutely delightful man. i reattt wae— absolutely delightful man. i really was thrilled to meet him. teet— really was thrilled to meet him. teet at— really was thrilled to meet him. teet at tne— really was thrilled to meet him. look at the full— really was thrilled to meet him. look at the full interview. it's atett— look at the full interview. it's atett natt— look at the full interview. it's about half an— look at the full interview. it's about half an hour on gb news wt.— about half an hour on gb news .ttt. tew— about half an hour on gb news .ttt. wew wete— about half an hour on gb news .uk. now we've got a couple of tarragee— .uk. now we've got a couple of tarragee. t— .uk. now we've got a couple of barrages. i have— .uk. now we've got a couple of barrages. i have got for me this etentng. — barrages. i have got for me this etentng. wett— barrages. i have got for me this evening. neil from _ barrages. i have got for me this evening. neil from aberdeen . jtit evening. neil from aberdeen. do you evening. neil from aberdeen. do tet rate— evening. neil from aberdeen. do tet rate eenatt— evening. neil from aberdeen. do you rate donald trump's- evening. neil from aberdeen. do you rate donald trump's chances in 2024 and how crucial do you feel it is to for the western world moving forward? i rate donald trump's chances really quite highly. i mean, certainly in quite highly. i mean, certainly tn terme— quite highly. i mean, certainly tn terne et— quite highly. i mean, certainly in terms of the— quite highly. i mean, certainly in terms of the of— quite highly. i mean, certainly in terms of the of the- in terms of the of the republican- in terms of the of the republican nomination, as far as i'm republican nomination, as far as tn eeneernet— republican nomination, as far as i'm concerned, that— republican nomination, as far as i'm concerned, that is over. he wttt— i'm concerned, that is over. he wttt wtn— i'm concerned, that is over. he wttt wtn tt— i'm concerned, that is over. he wttt wtn tt .— i'm concerned, that is over. he will win it. now,— i'm concerned, that is over. he will win it. now, can he beat steept— will win it. now, can he beat steept ree— will win it. now, can he beat steept tee er— will win it. now, can he beat sleepy joe or could it be kamala narrtet— sleepy joe or could it be kamala narrtee wne— sleepy joe or could it be kamala harris? who knows— sleepy joe or could it be kamala harris? who knows ? i actually harris? who knows? i actually tettete— harris? who knows? i actually tettete new— harris? who knows? i actually believe now trump has got a better— believe now trump has got a tetter tnan— believe now trump has got a better than 50%_ believe now trump has got a better than 50% chance of wtnntng— better than 50% chance of wtnntng tne— better than 50% chance of winning the presidential eteetten— winning the presidential election in— winning the presidential election in november next year. i election in november next year. tteet— election in november next year. tteet tntnt— election in november next year. tttet tntnt ne— election in november next year. i just think he needs to turn attent— i just think he needs to turn around some— i just think he needs to turn around some of— i just think he needs to turn around some of the looking back at tne— around some of the looking back at tne taet— around some of the looking back at the last election— around some of the looking back at the last election into rentnttng— at the last election into reminding people what a great eernenet— reminding people what a great eernenet ne— reminding people what a great economy he built, what a good teretgn— economy he built, what a good teretgn penet— economy he built, what a good foreign policy he— economy he built, what a good foreign policy he had. he needs to foreign policy he had. he needs te get— foreign policy he had. he needs te get en— foreign policy he had. he needs te get en tne—

foreign policy he had. he needs to get on the really strong, peetttte— to get on the really strong, positive front— to get on the really strong, positive front foot. how he can make— positive front foot. how he can make peepte-e— positive front foot. how he can make people's lives better and mate— make people's lives better and mate tnen— make people's lives better and make them richer— make people's lives better and make them richer. and if he does pa,— make them richer. and if he does tnat, ne— make them richer. and if he does tnat, ne wttt— make them richer. and if he does that, he will win.— make them richer. and if he does that, he will win. i— make them richer. and if he does that, he will win. i have no tettt— that, he will win. i have no doubt about— that, he will win. i have no doubt about it.— that, he will win. i have no doubt about it. and it's tnpenant— doubt about it. and it's important for- doubt about it. and it's important for the western world is important for the western world te ntge. — important for the western world is huge. america— important for the western world is huge. america is going down the is huge. america is going down tne tttee— is huge. america is going down tne tttee tn— is huge. america is going down the tubes in many— is huge. america is going down the tubes in many ways. and if anetta— the tubes in many ways. and if america falls— the tubes in many ways. and if america falls ,_ the tubes in many ways. and if america falls , we— the tubes in many ways. and if america falls , we all fall . america falls, we all fall. tet-e— america falls, we all fall. tet-e — america falls, we all fall. let's move on— america falls, we all fall. let's move on to jonathan from taettetrne— let's move on to jonathan from taettewne. — let's move on to jonathan from eastbourne . hi,— let's move on to jonathan from eastbourne . \r gti. . eastbourne. hi, nigel, it's jonathan from eastbourne here with a video barrage for you. like you , it's my birthday in like you, it's my birthday in april and my wife very generously , she got me this generously, she got me this talking points glass acas. i was just wondering, what's the most unusual birthday present you've ever had ? cheers . john i'm very, ever had? cheers. john i'm very, very pleased that— ever had? cheers. john i'm very, very pleased that you've- t:“i7 tc“titi”5 it“ i'm very, very pleased that you've got tert— very pleased that you've got tert pteaeet— very pleased that you've got very pleased that you've got very pleased that you've got a gb very pleased that you've got a ee wewe— very pleased that you've got a gb news mark— very pleased that you've got a gb news mark to— very pleased that you've got a gb news mark to drink a pint on tew— gb news mark to drink a pint on tetr ttnntat.— gb news mark to drink a pint on your birthday. the— gb news mark to drink a pint on your birthday. the most unusual ttrtntat— your birthday. the most unusual birthday present— your birthday. the most unusual birthday present i've ever been gtten— birthday present i've ever been gtten .— birthday present i've ever been gtten . en— birthday present i've ever been gtten . on, t— birthday present i've ever been given . oh, i think— birthday present i've ever been given . oh, i think a surprise given. oh, i think a surprise party-— given. oh, i think a surprise pant. wnen— given. oh, i think a surprise pant. wnen t— given. oh, i think a surprise party. when i was 55, i didn't knew— party. when i was 55, i didn't tnew tt— party. when i was 55, i didn't tnew tt wae— party. when i was 55, i didn't know it was going to happen and it know it was going to happen and tt ttt— know it was going to happen and tt ttt. se— know it was going to happen and it did. so there— know it was going to happen and it did. so there we— know it was going to happen and it did. so there we are. enough

tren— it did. so there we are. enough tren ne— it did. so there we are. enough tren ne .— it did. so there we are. enough from me . jacob— it did. so there we are. enough from me . jacob rees—mogg joins from me. jacob rees—mogg joins racet— from me. jacob rees—mogg joins taeet wnat— from me. jacob rees—mogg joins me. jacob what have you got eentng— me. jacob what have you got eentng up— me. jacob what have you got eentng up tnte— me. jacob what have you got coming up this evening? �*r�*t�*°tiil.. coming up this evening? well, getng— coming up this evening? well, getng te— coming up this evening? well, we're going to start— coming up this evening? well, we're going to start off discussing the news in the telegraph that the retained eu law bill, which is getting rid of laws, may not be of 4000 eu laws, may not be everything that it seems, but you this was all going you told me this was all going to happen was all looking to happen and it was all looking good. well, i thought was, good. well, i thought it was, but apparently the house of lords not that lords doesn't like it. not that i commons should i think the commons should give in lords. this been in to the lords. this has been validated by referendum, validated by referendum, validated by referendum, validated by a general election validated by referendum, validatta by a general election validated by referendum, validatta fewa general election validated by referendum, validatta few aged aral election validated by referendum, validatta few aged remainerstn validated by referendum, validatta few aged remainers in an and a few aged remainers in the house of lords oughtn't be able to it. so why is the able to stop it. so why is the geternnent— able to stop it. so why is the government-down. able to stop it. so why is the. government-down then? government backing down then? wett— government backing down then? wett t— government backing down then? wett t etppeee— government backing down then? well i suppose there's a lot of twetneee— well i suppose there's a lot of business-the— well i suppose there's a lot of business-the-of- well i suppose there's a lot of business the of lords. business in the house of lords. it business in the house of lords. tt-ttnte— business in the house of lords. tt-ttnte ant— business in the house of lords. it-time and there's- it takes time and there's a worry that it will take too much time. i'm all for ploughing on, as might expect . i time. i'm all for ploughing on, as might expect. i think as you might expect. i think we've to this. this we've got to deliver this. this is rid of those eu is getting rid of those mad eu rules used to mock for rules that we used to mock for the part of years that the best part of 50 years that are still stuck on our statute book and to go , oh, you book and needs to go, oh, you see, folks doubt jacob see, folks, i don't doubt jacob rees—mogg since verity for one moment, but when it comes to most of the leadership, the

conservative party, i doubt it hugely. well, conservative party, i doubt it hugely . well, that's it from me. hugely. well, that's it from me. be hugely. well, that's it from me. te taet— hugely. well, that's it from me. te tact wttn— hugely. well, that's it from me. be back with you— 3 well, that's it from me. be back with you next week. but tetere— be back with you next week. but tetere att— be back with you next week. but tetere att et— be back with you next week. but before all of that,— be back with you next week. but before all of that, i'll have a pet— before all of that, i'll have a pet en— before all of that, i'll have a pet en tne— before all of that, i'll have a bet on the weather that the ann— bet on the weather that the april showers— bet on the weather that the april showers will be continuing . ttentng— april showers will be continuing . evening.-deakin- april showers will be continuing . evening.-deakin here. april showers will be continuing. . evening.-deakin here with . evening. alex deakin here with your latest weather update. a bit of a wet one out there at the moment and that will lead to a fairly dull start tomorrow. but up as we go but it should cheer up as we go through the day and for many it will start to feel quite a bit warmer. but right now we've got a couple areas of low a couple of areas of low pressure, big one out in the pressure, a big one out in the atlantic driving this smaller one country. it's one across the country. it's been providing outbreaks of rain one across the country. it's beemanyiiding outbreaks of rain one across the country. it's bee many alreadyitbreaks of rain one across the country. it's bee many alreadyitbreaks of that for many already today and that rain extensive rain becoming more extensive through the evening, spreading into england. southern into northern england. southern scotland turning a little drier, perhaps across southernmost counties of england . but for counties of england. but for most it's a pretty damp night, a cloudy night, a breezy night in places, but it won't be as cold as recent nights. temperatures mostly up at 6 or 7 and mostly holding up at 6 or 7 and double across the south double figures across the south onto friday. and it does start pretty dull and for many pretty damp. but generally dry

conditions across the south. and it should cheer up , should get it should cheer up, should get a bit brighter through the day, certainly for of wales, certainly for parts of wales, south—west england lunchtime south—west england by lunchtime and western scotland, and then western scotland, southern england and eventually parts of the midlands, likely to see some fleeting glimpses of sunshine. eastern areas always staying fairly glum and quite cold. northern ireland brightening up with the potential showers potential for some heavy showers in the south where we could see temperatures 19, maybe temperatures up to 19, maybe even 20 celsius where we get some blue sky. the clouds and the outbreaks of rain will continue to fritter away, away to the east during friday evening . so most places start at evening. so most places start at the weekend dry going to be a bit of a messy one this weekend. there'll be cloud and rain at times for northern ireland. southern scotland on saturday and then some heavy showers breaking out in the afternoon . breaking out in the afternoon. parts of wales, the midlands, northern ireland, but mostly dry in northern scotland's, southern and eastern england, largely dry on saturday as well. and again, where we see some sunshine warmer been 20 warmer than it has been 20 degrees where it stays dull,

only 11 12. the mixed picture only 11 or 12. the mixed picture continues through this weekend. warmer than this week. there will be and bright periods, will be dry and bright periods, but there will be heavy but there will be some heavy showers as goodbye

hello good good evening. it's me, hello good evening. it's me, jacob— hello good evening. it's me, raeep tteee-ttegg— good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the watten— jacob rees—mogg on state of the watten tentgnt. — jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation tonight. his— jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation tonight. his majesty's eeternnent— nation tonight. his majesty's government is— nation tonight. his majesty's government is reportedly on course for a change of plan regarttng— course for a change of plan regarttng tne— course for a change of plan regarding the scrapping of 4000 rettntant— regarding the scrapping of 4000 rettntant tu— regarding the scrapping of 4000 redundant eu laws that the ttnttet— redundant eu laws that the united kingdom inherited from the withdrawal— united kingdom inherited from the withdrawal agreement could the withdrawal agreement could the government— the withdrawal agreement could the government scupper one of the government scupper one of tne greateet— the government scupper one of the greatest all— the government scupper one of the greatest all brexit opportunities is because of idle etttt— opportunities is because of idle civil servants— opportunities is because of idle civil servants ?_ opportunities is because of idle civil servants ? is— opportunities is because of idle civil servants ? is the roast civil servants? is the roast teet— civil servants? is the roast teet et— civil servants? is the roast beef of brexit— civil servants? is the roast beef of brexit being turned into tntn— beef of brexit being turned into tntn greet— beef of brexit being turned into tntn grtet e— beef of brexit being turned into thin gruel ? i'll— beef of brexit being turned into thin gruel ? i'll be joined by thin gruel? i'll be joined by a tarrteter— thin gruel? i'll be joined by a barrister who— thin gruel? i'll be joined by a barrister who said he could get the barrister who said he could get tne tet— barrister who said he could get tne tet tene— barrister who said he could get the job done on— barrister who said he could get the job done on his own within tear. tne— the job done on his own within one year. the net— the job done on his own within one year. the net zero agenda is it one year. the net zero agenda is tt eatgnt— one year. the net zero agenda is tt eatgnt tn—

one year. the net zero agenda is tt eatgnt tn a— one year. the net zero agenda is it caught in a catch— one year. the net zero agenda is it caught in a catch 22 or