the news with polly middleton. first— the news with polly middleton. first nigel,— the news with polly middleton. first nigel, thank you and good evening— first nigel, thank you and good evening to— first nigel, thank you and good evening ne yen. — first nigel, thank you and good evening ie veg. — first nigel, thank you and good evening to you. 5.03 first nigel, thank you and good evening to you. 5.i:::i”«i iii" evening to you. the top story on gb news news. the foreign secretary says the government's continuing to help british nationals leaving sudan in northeast africa . he's urging northeast africa. he's urging them own way to them to make their own way to them to make their own way to the now for evacuation the airport now for evacuation as soon as possible . british as soon as possible. british forces, meanwhile, are racing to rescue as many people as they can before the ceasefire ends at midnight local time. the us secretary of state, antony blinken, saying the focus is currently on extending that ceasefire . almost 900 british ceasefire. almost 900 british citizens have been flown to safety within the last two days, with the government saying that number is rising. james cleverly saying the uk is looking at helping countries with no diplomatic presence in sudan . diplomatic presence in sudan. for those on the ground, as you nonin— for those on the ground, as you vvenii expen— for those on the ground, as you would expect that— for those on the ground, as you would expect that we are pneniieing— would expect that we are prioritising those in greatest need— prioritising those in greatest need innengn— prioritising those in greatest need through allocating seats insen— need through allocating seats neeei en— need through allocating seats based on vulnerability , starting based on vulnerability, starting winn— based on vulnerability, starting with families,— based on vulnerability, starting with families, with children in the with families, with children in ine eigenv— with families, with children in the elderly, the—

with families, with children in the elderly, the disabled or neenie— the elderly, the disabled or people vviin— the elderly, the disabled or people with documented medical eeniiiiene— people with documented medical conditions. we— people with documented medical conditions. we have been neiiiiei— conditions. we have been notified that— conditions. we have been notified that british nationals negieieiei— notified that british nationals registered with— notified that british nationals registered with us about the ginni— registered with us about the eieni ine— registered with us about the about the evacuation flights as vveii— about the evacuation flights as vveii ee— about the evacuation flights as well as announcing them through our well as announcing them through invei— well as announcing them through our travel advice— well as announcing them through our travel advice and also iniengn— our travel advice and also through organic social media neivvenve— through organic social media neivvenve ei— through organic social media networks of british nationals in seden— networks of british nationals in sign . — networks of british nationals in sign . iii— networks of british nationals in sudan . mrjames_ networks of british nationals in sudan . ii” (juicy networks of british nationals in sudan . cuiiiillg sudan. mr james cleverly, the foreign secretary well, the rmt union has announced workers across 14 train operators are going to be walking out on the 13th of may. they have rejected their latest pay offer. the general secretary, mick lynch, claims the rail delivery group has now reneged on their original proposal, which was to offer a 5% pay increase if the union ended its industrial action . and earlier the aslef action. and earlier the aslef union said its train drivers are planning three new strike days after turning down a 4% pay rise. their schedules across may and june , one of those days and june, one of those days coinciding with the fa cup final and the royal college of nursing

has been forced to cut short strike action planned for this weekend after the government won a legal challenge. today, the high court ruled part of their 48 hour walkout on tuesday would be unlawful. as the ch's six month mandate for strike action would have run out the day before. nurses have been protesting outside the high court today. some signs reading silencing nurses is silencing patients . the dups leader says patients. the dups leader says the government's latest budget for northern ireland is playing politics and punishing people. the funding allocation is likely to result in significant real terms cuts to public services as devolution is currently suspended because the dup are boycotting power sharing over post—brexit trade deals . but the post—brexit trade deals. but the northern ireland secretary, chris heaton—harris, denies it's a punishment and he says he's going to continue to hold talks with the leaders in stormont. a murder investigation has been launched into the death of a

pregnant teacher in glasgow . pregnant teacher in glasgow. morrell sturrock was found dead on tuesday morning. she was 29 weeks pregnant. her baby didn't survive. there's a manhunt now underway for her fiance , david underway for her fiance, david yates. his car was found in a nearby country park. police are now focusing their search on that area . you're up to date on that area. you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and the tune in app. this is gb news, britain's news . britain's news. channel good evening. well, britain's news. channel- . good evening. well, today, britain's news. channel- . good evegovernment:oday, britain's news. channel- . good evegovernment white long awaited government white paper— long awaited government white page en— long awaited government white paper on gambling. now the were no genienien— paper on gambling. now the were no particular shocks in it. much of ii— no particular shocks in it. much of ii nei— no particular shocks in it. much of it had been— no particular shocks in it. much of it had been trailed and many of it had been trailed and many of ine— of it had been trailed and many of the demand— of it had been trailed and many of the demand was that are coming— of the demand was that are eenning inn — of the demand was that are coming from legislators. bookmakers— coming from legislators. bookmakers had been to a certain exieni— bookmakers had been to a certain exieni complying— bookmakers had been to a certain extent complying with already . extent complying with already. but extent complying with already. nun-enenge— extent complying with already. nun-enenge ie- extent complying with already. but change is that since but the big change is that since this legislation— but the big change is that since this legislation was updated and

or this legislation was updated and en neede— this legislation was updated and or needs ne— this legislation was updated and or needs to be— this legislation was updated and or needs to be updated , is the or needs to be updated, is the growin— or needs to be updated, is the grown ei— or needs to be updated, is the growth of online— or needs to be updated, is the growth of online gambling. you eenii— growth of online gambling. you eenii nigge— growth of online gambling. you could argue that— growth of online gambling. you could argue that every laptop neeieeiiv— could argue that every laptop neeieeiiv pene— could argue that every laptop basically puts you inside las vegan— basically puts you inside las vegee ,— basically puts you inside las vegee , ini— basically puts you inside las vegee , in ii— basically puts you inside las vegas , but if you think about it vegas, but if you think about it , evenining— vegas, but if you think about it , evenining in— vegas, but if you think about it , everything in life's a gamble . vie— , everything in life's a gamble . vie inve— , everything in life's a gamble . we take gambling decisions even— . we take gambling decisions evenv nine.— . we take gambling decisions every time. our— . we take gambling decisions every time. our pensions are insen— every time. our pensions are based en— every time. our pensions are based on ine— every time. our pensions are based on the stock market. our niggeei— based on the stock market. our niggeei inineinv— based on the stock market. our biggest industry, financial services,— biggest industry, financial services, is— biggest industry, financial services, is based on a whole ei— services, is based on a whole series of calculated gambles inni— series of calculated gambles inei inve— series of calculated gambles that take place _ series of calculated gambles that take place every day, and the that take place every day, and ine ieeine— that take place every day, and the desire to— that take place every day, and the desire to have— that take place every day, and the desire to have a bet on the nones— the desire to have a bet on the none io— the desire to have a bet on the horses to trade— the desire to have a bet on the horses to trade the— the desire to have a bet on the horses to trade the markets to do horses to trade the markets to no vvnoieven— horses to trade the markets to do whatever it— horses to trade the markets to do whatever it may be. it's eoneining— do whatever it may be. it's something that— do whatever it may be. it's something that is there within nonv— something that is there within many millions— something that is there within many millions of— something that is there within many millions of us, and i know inn— many millions of us, and i know inn ieeenee— many millions of us, and i know this because i'm— many millions of us, and i know this because i'm a— many millions of us, and i know this because i'm a punter. i ine— this because i'm a punter. i iive io— this because i'm a punter. i like to have— this because i'm a punter. i like to have a— this because i'm a punter. i like to have a bet. i thoroughly enjoy— like to have a bet. i thoroughly eniov ii.— like to have a bet. i thoroughly eniov ii. i— like to have a bet. i thoroughly enjoy it. i promise— like to have a bet. i thoroughly enjoy it. i promise you , i'm not enjoy it. i promise you, i'm not oineeive— enjoy it. i promise you, i'm not obsessive about— enjoy it. i promise you, i'm not obsessive about it.— enjoy it. i promise you, i'm not obsessive about it. i don't have a obsessive about it. i don't have n nioiien— obsessive about it. i don't have a problem winn— obsessive about it. i don't have a problem with it.— obsessive about it. i don't have a problem with it. but it's noneining— a problem with it. but it's eoneining i— a problem with it. but it's something i really genuinely enjoy— something i really genuinely eniov going— something i really genuinely enjoy doing and i'll be betting on ine— enjoy doing and i'll be betting on the cricket— enjoy doing and i'll be betting on the cricket this summer when announ— on the cricket this summer when australia come— on the cricket this summer when australia come over— on the cricket this summer when australia come over and no doubt on oi ine— australia come over and no doubt on some of the big— australia come over and no doubt on some of the big flat races to . nui— on some of the big flat races to . one i— on some of the big flat races to . one i ini— on some of the big flat races to . but i just wonder— on some of the big flat races to . but i just wonder with the one— . but i just wonder with the whole level— . but i just wonder with the whole level of— . but i just wonder with the whole level of restrictions that gunning— whole level of restrictions that

gunning in— whole level of restrictions that we're putting in place, i just vvonei— we're putting in place, i just vvonei in— we're putting in place, i just vvonei in o— we're putting in place, i just wonder in a free— we're putting in place, i just wonder in a free society whether for wonder in a free society whether ion inni— wonder in a free society whether for that absolutely— wonder in a free society whether for that absolutely a minute nenenioge— for that absolutely a minute nenenioge oi— for that absolutely a minute percentage of people that are nioiien — percentage of people that are problem gamblers is that ruin inenneivee— problem gamblers is that ruin themselves that— problem gamblers is that ruin themselves that bankrupt themselves.— themselves that bankrupt themselves. and yes , it's true themselves. and yes, it's true in ine— themselves. and yes, it's true in one very— themselves. and yes, it's true in the very most— themselves. and yes, it's true in the very most extreme cases, inve— in the very most extreme cases, one ineii— in the very most extreme cases, take their lives— in the very most extreme cases, take their lives .— in the very most extreme cases, take their lives. i— in the very most extreme cases, take their lives . i just wonder take their lives. i just wonder vvneinei— take their lives. i just wonder vvneinen ne— take their lives. i just wonder whether we need— take their lives. i just wonder whether we need masses of new iegnioiion— whether we need masses of new legislation for— whether we need masses of new legislation for those very few neonie— legislation for those very few neogie .— legislation for those very few people . onen— legislation for those very few people . after all, there are people. after all, there are nnge— people. after all, there are huge numbers— people. after all, there are huge numbers of people addicted to huge numbers of people addicted io nonv— huge numbers of people addicted io nonv oinen— huge numbers of people addicted to many other things that do inen — to many other things that do inen hm,— to many other things that do them harm, whether it's alcohol or them harm, whether it's alcohol on inge— them harm, whether it's alcohol on drugs on— them harm, whether it's alcohol or drugs or tobacco, or perhaps vvnoi— or drugs or tobacco, or perhaps vvnoi in— or drugs or tobacco, or perhaps vvnoi in ine— or drugs or tobacco, or perhaps what in the end— or drugs or tobacco, or perhaps what in the end will be the niggeei— what in the end will be the biggest killer— what in the end will be the biggest killer in this country, oiiieiei— biggest killer in this country, oiiieiei io— biggest killer in this country, addicted to junk— biggest killer in this country, addicted to junk foods. i just vvonei— addicted to junk foods. i just wonder whether— addicted to junk foods. i just wonder whether we need to go inn— wonder whether we need to go inn ion— wonder whether we need to go this far because _ wonder whether we need to go this far because we should live in o— this far because we should live in e eoeieiv— this far because we should live in a society where— this far because we should live in a society where we're grown up enongn— in a society where we're grown up enongn io— in a society where we're grown up enough to make our own eminen— up enough to make our own enoieee. ani— up enough to make our own choices. and the— up enough to make our own choices. and the one thing in inn— choices. and the one thing in inn nopoeoi— choices. and the one thing in this proposal of— choices. and the one thing in this proposal of legislation inni— this proposal of legislation inoi neoiiv— this proposal of legislation that really gets my goat is that 18 that really gets my goat is that in io— that really gets my goat is that in io ze— that really gets my goat is that in io ze veni— that really gets my goat is that 18 to 24 year olds_ that really gets my goat is that 18 to 24 year olds should be iiniiei— 18 to 24 year olds should be iiniiei on— 18 to 24 year olds should be limited on the— 18 to 24 year olds should be limited on the size of steak. t hey— limited on the size of steak. inev eon— limited on the size of steak. inev oni— limited on the size of steak. they can put on— limited on the size of steak. they can put on online. so we're inning— they can put on online. so we're neoiing neopie— they can put on online. so we're treating people aged 24. they eonii— treating people aged 24. they eonii ne— treating people aged 24. they could be men— treating people aged 24. they

could be men or— treating people aged 24. they could be men or women that our perenn— could be men or women that our onenn oineoiv— could be men or women that our parents already, they could be running— parents already, they could be running ineii— parents already, they could be running their own businesses. t hey— running their own businesses. inev eonii— running their own businesses. inev eonii ne— running their own businesses. they could be fully part of eoeieiv— they could be fully part of eoeieiv oni— they could be fully part of society and our— they could be fully part of society and our community. and yet society and our community. and vei vei— society and our community. and vei vei inev-ie — society and our community. and yet yet they're being treated in a yet yet they're being treated in e iiiieieni— yet yet they're being treated in a different category to all the nei— a different category to all the neni oi— a different category to all the neni oi — a different category to all the rest of us. you— a different category to all the rest of us. you know, do 24 year oin— rest of us. you know, do 24 year oiie need— rest of us. you know, do 24 year olds need need— rest of us. you know, do 24 year olds need need to— rest of us. you know, do 24 year olds need need to be protected? neeonee— olds need need to be protected? because we're hearing this about driving— because we're hearing this about giving one— because we're hearing this about driving oe— because we're hearing this about driving cars as well. and you'll eigne— driving cars as well. and you'll eigne ee— driving cars as well. and you'll see signs as, you— driving cars as well. and you'll see signs as, you know, tobacco eioiie— see signs as, you know, tobacco eioiie .— see signs as, you know, tobacco eioiie . vou— see signs as, you know, tobacco stalls . you know,— see signs as, you know, tobacco stalls . you know, id this person stalls. you know, id this person if stalls. you know, id this person ii inev— stalls. you know, id this person ii inev ion-i— stalls. you know, id this person if they don't look— stalls. you know, id this person if they don't look ,_ stalls. you know, id this person if they don't look , at least 25. if they don't look, at least 25. are— if they don't look, at least 25. are we— if they don't look, at least 25. are we raising— if they don't look, at least 25. are we raising the— if they don't look, at least 25. are we raising the age at which vvnien— are we raising the age at which vvnien ne— are we raising the age at which which we really— are we raising the age at which which we really become adults iron— which we really become adults iron in— which we really become adults iron in io— which we really become adults from 18 to 25.7— which we really become adults from 18 to 25.7 do— which we really become adults from 18 to 25? do 24 year olds need— from 18 to 25? do 24 year olds need protection?— from 18 to 25? do 24 year olds need protection? your thoughts, nieoeee— need protection? your thoughts, please? farage@gbnews.uk i think this please? farage@gbnews.uk i think inie goee— please? farage@gbnews.uk i think inie goee noo— please? farage@gbnews.uk i think inie goee ioo ion— please? farage@gbnews.uk i think inie goee ioo in .— please? farage@gbnews.uk i think this goes too far . and also, of this goes too far. and also, of ii-ii— this goes too far. and also, of course it'll mean— this goes too far. and also, of course it'll mean proof of age, iieniiiv— course it'll mean proof of age, iieniiiv .— course it'll mean proof of age, identity , online— course it'll mean proof of age, identity , online and everywhere identity, online and everywhere ene— identity, online and everywhere eiee .— identity, online and everywhere eiee . ii-e— identity, online and everywhere eiee . ii-e ine— identity, online and everywhere else . it's the growth of the big else. it's the growth of the big eigne.— else. it's the growth of the big eioie. no— else. it's the growth of the big state. no surprise— else. it's the growth of the big state. no surprise also that giopoeei— state. no surprise also that propoeei in— state. no surprise also that proposed in this— state. no surprise also that proposed in this package is a 1% tax proposed in this package is a 1% ion ievv— proposed in this package is a 1% ion ievv on— proposed in this package is a 1% ion ievv on ine— proposed in this package is a 1% tax levy on the £14— proposed in this package is a 1% tax levy on the £14 billion a veni— tax levy on the £14 billion a year goniie— tax levy on the £14 billion a year gamble industry. no shock ineie—

year gamble industry. no shock inene .— year gamble industry. no shock inene . inn— year gamble industry. no shock there . this is,— year gamble industry. no shock there . this is, after all, there. this is, after all, a nign— there. this is, after all, a nign inv— there. this is, after all, a high tax government. but maybe , hiin tax government. but maybe, just high tax government. but maybe, inei maybev— high tax government. but maybe, inei maybev ee— high tax government. but maybe, inei maybev oe i— high tax government. but maybe, just maybe, as i said earlier , just maybe, as i said earlier, ine— just maybe, as i said earlier, ine growin— just maybe, as i said earlier, the growth of— just maybe, as i said earlier, the growth of online gambling did the growth of online gambling iii neei— the growth of online gambling iii neei io— the growth of online gambling did need to be— the growth of online gambling did need to be addressed in some nov— did need to be addressed in some way. joining— did need to be addressed in some way. ioining ne— did need to be addressed in some way. ioining me n— did need to be addressed in some way. joining me is dan waugh, nonnei— way. joining me is dan waugh, nonnen oi— way. joining me is dan waugh, partner at regulus partners who oiviee— partner at regulus partners who oiviee on— partner at regulus partners who oiviee on ine— partner at regulus partners who advise on the regulation of gonniing— advise on the regulation of gonniing .— advise on the regulation of gonniing . i— advise on the regulation of gambling . i think advise on the regulation of gambling. i think i'm advise on the regulation of gambling . i think i'm what you gambling. i think i'm what you tell gambling. i think i'm what you ieii nne— gambling. i think i'm what you ieii i— gambling. i think i'm what you tell me. i think— gambling. i think i'm what you tell me. i think it's fair to say— tell me. i think it's fair to eov ineie— tell me. i think it's fair to say there were— tell me. i think it's fair to say there were no huge shocks in inn— say there were no huge shocks in inie vvniie— say there were no huge shocks in this white paper. _ say there were no huge shocks in this white paper. no, it was pieiiv— this white paper. no, it was gieiiv vveii— this white paper. no, it was pretty well trailed. knife. this white paper. no, it was pretty well trailed. evie. pretty well trailed. what we saw innov— pretty well trailed. what we saw today, it was is the one area where people are screaming out for more to be done is in the area of advertising , you know, area of advertising, you know, betting company advertising thing is massive on all of our sports and cable tv channels. i note the premier league have enig— note the premier league have eoii iron — note the premier league have said from the— note the premier league have said from the season 2526 they non-i— said from the season 2526 they vvon-i nove— said from the season 2526 they won't have gambling loan shows and won't have gambling loan shows one ineignio— won't have gambling loan shows and insignia on— won't have gambling loan shows and insignia on their shirts. inn-e— and insignia on their shirts. that's voluntary. but you could eno— that's voluntary. but you could oieo eigne— that's voluntary. but you could also argue that— that's voluntary. but you could also argue that the money that goee— also argue that the money that goee inno— also argue that the money that goee inio e— also argue that the money that goes into a variety of sports iiieeiiv— goes into a variety of sports directly arnie _ goes into a variety of sports directly arnie horse racing and

nonv— directly arnie horse racing and many oineie— directly arnie horse racing and many others, that if you if you oeinoiiv— many others, that if you if you actually attack— many others, that if you if you actually attack gambling too neon— actually attack gambling too nnen .— actually attack gambling too nnen , vou— actually attack gambling too much , you might damage football, much, you might damage football, you much, you might damage football, von nigni— much, you might damage football, von nigni ionoge— much, you might damage football, you might damage horse racing. wnene-e— you might damage horse racing. wneie-e ine— you might damage horse racing. where's the balance here? well i mean, regulation— where's the balance here? well i mean, regulation is— where's the balance here? well i mean, regulation is always about iiniing— mean, regulation is always about iiniing o— mean, regulation is always about finding a balance— mean, regulation is always about finding a balance between consumer protection and freedom. and i— consumer protection and freedom. and i iiinv— consumer protection and freedom. and i think where— consumer protection and freedom. and i think where advertising- and i think where advertising and sponsorships are concerned , and sponsorships are concerned, you're right, some of these sponsorship controls packages can important to can be very important to respective sports, not just horse racing. rugby league darts and others. i think the second thing to note is that ban ing advertising is a form of censorship, and as a liberal society we should always be very, very careful about what we decide to censor. third, the research and advertising suggests, yes, it can have an quite a bad impact on people who are in recovery from gambling disorder. so people trying to abstain from gambling erg advertising can be unhelpful for them. but that would that would be two. other products be the two. any other products you apply if problem is you can apply if your problem is beer or if your problem is overeating or other things. so it's reason to censor it.

it's not a reason to censor it. the other thing is now in the other thing is we're now in a in this this digital a situation in this this digital age have the technology age where we have the technology that us in place that allows us to put in place blocks. technology exists blocks. so the technology exists to people, if they don't to allow people, if they don't want to view certain ads, the technology exists to take that out. and where we need to be pushing forward in society is intelligent solutions . but there intelligent solutions. but there will always be people who just want to ban things because of a lack of imagination or or simply a moral view about the sinfulness the activity. sinfulness of the activity. yeah. that applies yeah. no, no. and that applies across many, many— “fie" \vi:::i and that applies across many, many fields with the across many, many fields with ine oniine— across many, many fields with the online-growth- across many, many fields with the online growth of online the online the growth of online gonniing. — the online the growth of online gambling. proposal in gambling. so this proposal in the gambling. so this proposal in ine vvniie— gambling. so this proposal in the white paper— gambling. so this proposal in the white paper is that 18 to 24 veni— the white paper is that 18 to 24 year one— the white paper is that 18 to 24 year olds should— the white paper is that 18 to 24 year olds should be treated iiiieneniiv— year olds should be treated differently to _ year olds should be treated differently to everybody else vviin — differently to everybody else vviin o— differently to everybody else with a lower— differently to everybody else with a lower stake allowed to be put with a lower stake allowed to be put-i— with a lower stake allowed to be nun-i-inie- with a lower stake allowed to be nun-i-inie ie- put online. i mean, this is nonnving— put online. i mean, this is nannying that— put online. i mean, this is nannying that is beyond belief, ien-i— nannying that is beyond belief, ien-i iii— nannying that is beyond belief, ien-i ii i— nannying that is beyond belief, isn't it? i mean,— nannying that is beyond belief, isn't it? i mean, dan ? �*fviizig. isn't it? i mean, dan? well, i oniin— isn't it? i mean, dan? well, i inini ii-e— isn't it? i mean, dan? well, i think it's like a lot of things. nigel there is some kernel of logic at the centre of it and we do know that younger, younger males in particular, not not really younger females, but younger do tend to be at younger males do tend to be at greater of a gambling greater risk of a gambling disorder. that true

disorder. but that is true across of mental health across a lot of mental health conditions. there a logic conditions. so there is a logic to it. at the same time, if to it. but at the same time, if you're 18, you're to it. but at the same time, if you're18, you're an adult and you're18, you're an adult and you deserve respect in the law to adult. and i think it's to be an adult. and i think it's worth thinking about this as potentially two potentially the thin end of two particular wedges . the first particular wedges. the first first is that as the gambling commission has now described younger adults as vulnerable, automatically vulnerable . but automatically vulnerable. but it's also in insulting and demeaning to the vast majority of young adults in our country. yes. and it extends further than that. so the gambling commission also describes older adults as vulnerable. it describes people with as vulnerable. it with dyslexia as vulnerable. it describes as vulnerable describes people as vulnerable if they have poor literacy or numeracy skills. it describes them as vulnerable, arrogant group people . they them as vulnerable, arrogant group people. they sound group of people. they sound nne.— group of people. they sound iiie. — group of people. they sound like. yes, well, i mean, the gambling commission has proposed creating iq in creating a maps of low iq in local authorities. i mean, i dare this is what we're faced with these days. oh, dear. oh, dean with these days. oh, dear. oh, dear. oh, dear. let's say : : oh, dear. oh, dear. let's say i'm a bookmaker.— dear. oh, dear. let's say i'm a bookmaker. you— dear. oh, dear. let's say i'm a bookmaker. you know, and i'm got my enon— bookmaker. you know, and i'm got my enop oni— bookmaker. you know, and i'm got my enop one in— bookmaker. you know, and i'm got my shop and i've got my regular

nnnien— my shop and i've got my regular pnnien inni— my shop and i've got my regular punters that come— my shop and i've got my regular punters that come in physically or inev-ve— punters that come in physically or inev-ve goi— punters that come in physically or they've got online accounts vviin— or they've got online accounts vviin ne— or they've got online accounts vviin ne .— or they've got online accounts with me . what— or they've got online accounts with me . what this proposes and with me. what this proposes and oi— with me. what this proposes and oi inn— with me. what this proposes and some of this has— with me. what this proposes and some of this has been happening gingiv— some of this has been happening alreadvv ini— some of this has been happening alreadvv in ii— some of this has been happening already, but if anybody gambles inan— already, but if anybody gambles more than £1,000— already, but if anybody gambles more than £1,000 in one bet or inooo— more than £1,000 in one bet or men ove— more than £1,000 in one bet or £2,000 over the _ more than £1,000 in one bet or £2,000 over the course of a few nonine— £2,000 over the course of a few nonine .— £2,000 over the course of a few nonine , ie— £2,000 over the course of a few months , is that— £2,000 over the course of a few months , is that somehow i've got months, is that somehow i've got to months, is that somehow i've got io eion— months, is that somehow i've got io eiog ioving— months, is that somehow i've got to stop taking their— months, is that somehow i've got to stop taking their money. i inen— to stop taking their money. i inen .— to stop taking their money. i inen , ii— to stop taking their money. i inen , ii inev— to stop taking their money. i then , if they want to put a big then, if they want to put a big bet then, if they want to put a big iei on— then, if they want to put a big iei neve— then, if they want to put a big bet on, have to— then, if they want to put a big bet on, have to check the source of bet on, have to check the source oi ine— bet on, have to check the source oi ine none-v— bet on, have to check the source of the money. how— bet on, have to check the source of the money. how do i run a booming— of the money. how do i run a bookmaking business? as if i've got bookmaking business? as if i've goi io— bookmaking business? as if i've goi io nui— bookmaking business? as if i've goi io goi in— bookmaking business? as if i've got to put in place— bookmaking business? as if i've got to put in place that level of got to put in place that level oi connoi— got to put in place that level of control and— got to put in place that level of control and checks . �*fviizig. of control and checks. well, the uncomfortable truth is it's already happening because the gambling commission is already forcing bookmakers to forcing coercing bookmakers to put controls actually at put in controls actually at lower than the lower levels than what the government's talked today government's talked about today . way, i think the . so in a way, i think the industry pleased to see some industry is pleased to see some sort of legitimate but open controls here rather than sort of back door coercion from the regulator. if of back door coercion from the regulator . if a punter wants to regulator. if a punter wants to put regulator. if a punter wants to nni o— regulator. if a punter wants to nni e ini— regulator. if a punter wants to put a fair sized— regulator. if a punter wants to put a fair sized bet,- regulator. if a punter wants to put a fair sized bet, a- g if a punter wants to put a fair sized bet, a four iignne— put a fair sized bet, a four iignie nei— put a fair sized bet, a four figure bet on— put a fair sized bet, a four figure bet on something, it is today— figure bet on something, it is ioiov very— figure bet on something, it is ioiov venv noni— figure bet on something, it is today very hard to do. yes, very noni— today very hard to do. yes, very noni io— today very hard to do. yes, very noni io io- — today very hard to do. yes, very hard to do. but— today very hard to do. yes, very hard to do. but actually it's

no.— hard to do. but actually it's noi. n— hard to do. but actually it's noi. ie iii— hard to do. but actually it's not. is it? because there are iiiegoi— not. is it? because there are illegal bookmakers which of course flourish— illegal bookmakers which of course flourish ? but before course flourish? but before nee,— course flourish? but before nee, ne— course flourish? but before 1963, we didn't— course flourish? but before 1963, we didn't have any betting enone— 1963, we didn't have any betting enone in— 1963, we didn't have any betting enone in ine— 1963, we didn't have any betting shops in the country . 1963, we didn't have any betting shops in the country. but 1963, we didn't have any betting shops in the country . but also shops in the country. but also i go— shops in the country. but also i can go offshore— shops in the country. but also i can go offshore .— shops in the country. but also i can go offshore . there are there can go offshore. there are there are can go offshore. there are there ou— can go offshore. there are there oii eone— can go offshore. there are there are all sorts of— can go offshore. there are there are all sorts of betting houses inni— are all sorts of betting houses no i— are all sorts of betting houses no i eon— are all sorts of betting houses no i go— are all sorts of betting houses that i can go to— are all sorts of betting houses that i can go to in— are all sorts of betting houses that i can go to in the european nine— that i can go to in the european iine ne— that i can go to in the european iine eni— that i can go to in the european time zone and elsewhere. so ien-i— time zone and elsewhere. so ien-i ine— time zone and elsewhere. so isn't the effect— time zone and elsewhere. so isn't the effect of— time zone and elsewhere. so isn't the effect of this that neogie— isn't the effect of this that peogie viii— isn't the effect of this that people will still want to goniiee— people will still want to gamble? there's a danger that you— gamble? there's a danger that you onen— gamble? there's a danger that you onen-neonie- gamble? there's a danger that you push people into you push young people into a inev— you push young people into a black criminal— you push young people into a black criminal market and other goniien— black criminal market and other gamblers leave— black criminal market and other gamblers leave the british ieiiing— gamblers leave the british betting industry and go overseas as betting industry and go overseas oe inn-e— betting industry and go overseas as that's certainly— betting industry and go overseas as that's certainly a risk. 'i: as that's certainly a risk. and i as that's certainly a risk. and i iiini— as that's certainly a risk. and i inini one— as that's certainly a risk. and i think one of— as that's certainly a risk. and i think one of the— as that's certainly a risk. and i think one of the success stories of british gambling legislation in the last 20 years has been actually the black market has been relatively small in this country, certainly by comparison with france , for comparison with france, for example, or some of the scandinavian countries. there is absolutely a risk that tighter regulation , particularly if it's regulation, particularly if it's not targeted at addressing the specific problem we're after , specific problem we're after, may to many recreational may lead to many recreational gamblers taking their their their trade elsewhere. and there are signs that the black market is growing from a relatively

small base and at the moment, the red dilatory action against these black market operators is really to write them letters to say, please don't do this. and that's not a very comforting, you know, it's not comforting to say that the regulator seems to have have this under control on balance down war overall, looking at these proposals , how looking at these proposals, how many marks out of ten would you give it? i think, you know, the nons— give it? i think, you know, the acne noe— give it? i think, you know, the none in nui— g .7’ i think, you know, the dcms has put together a pretty eoneneni— dcms has put together a pretty eoneneniioi— dcms has put together a pretty coherent of proposals. coherent set of proposals. i ininv— coherent set of proposals. i inini i— coherent set of proposals. i think i would— coherent set of proposals. i think i would give- coherent set of proposals. i think i would give it- coherent set of proposals. i think i would give it an eight out of ten. there's some out of ten. okay. there's some good work here. there are some issues, the most worrying issues, but the most worrying thing is a of this now gets thing is a lot of this now gets kicked consultation and a lot kicked to consultation and a lot of will be implemented by the of it will be implemented by the regulator. will happen regulator. so it will happen outside parliamentary outside of parliamentary scrutiny regulator's scrutiny and the regulator's track these track record on these consultations very strong consultations is not very strong . so i the devil will be . so i think the devil will be in detail we'll see over in the detail and we'll see over the coming months. okay yeah. like so many aspects of- itizzi’“ g yeah. like so many aspects of our iiie— like so many aspects of our life,-regulator- like so many aspects of our life, regulator the life, the regulator is the pee— life, the regulator is the person that _ life, the regulator is the person that really has the none.— person that really has the gone. i— person that really has the power. i still— person that really has the power. i still think 24 year one— power. i still think 24 year oiie-ie— power. i still think 24 year oiie-ie-oei power. i still think 24 year- olds-be-as grown olds should be treated as grown nne.— olds should be treated as grown nne-nomen— olds should be treated as grown ups.-moment, let's- olds should be treated as grown ups. moment, let's have a ups. in a moment, let's have a non— ups. in a moment, let's have a no oi— ups. in a moment, let's have a no oi ine— ups. in a moment, let's have a look at the invitations to the

coronoiion — look at the invitations to the coronation and— look at the invitations to the coronation and the outrage inn-e— coronation and the outrage that's causing. _ coronation and the outrage that's causing. michael cole viii— that's causing. michael cole vviii ioin— that's causing. michael cole vviii on me— that's causing. michael cole will join me in— that's causing. michael cole will join me in just a moment.

across the uk . this across the uk. this is gb f this is gb news across the uk. this is gb news radio— across the uk. this is gb news radio enon— across the uk. this is gb news ieoiio enovv .— across the uk. this is gb news radio enovv . — across the uk. this is gb news radio show. so— across the uk. this is gb news radio show. so i— across the uk. this is gb news radio show. so i asked- f this is gb news radio show. : across the uk. this is gb news radio show. so i asked you do 24 year olds need protecting from themselves? one viewer says we live under a government obsessed with red tape and sadly , i don't with red tape and sadly, i don't think their opposition would do any better. it's all mad . we any better. it's all mad. we need fewer rules. not more. well, that's how i generally feel about things. fiona says no, nigel. i think it's called personal response ability. stop the nannying . and kevin says the nannying. and kevin says that the risk of getting abuse. i do think that a sizeable number of youngsters gamble money they can't afford to lose and end up getting into financial difficulty, which can then lead to other kinds of issues. turning to crime or drug use and alcoholism . kevin there use and alcoholism. kevin there is no doubt that people get themselves into trouble in a

whole variety of ways, whole manner of ways, and gambling is one of those. but just because, you know , you stop them online you know, you stop them online or physically at a casino, putting big bets on, well , or physically at a casino, putting big bets on, well, i'm sorry, there are illegal ways to do these things. and we could see a very, very big growth of the black market run by dangerous criminals. now we have a wedding coming up. sorry a coronation coming up. very shortly. and i was just thinking , whatever you send out wedding invitations, you always offend somebody. and therefore , it must somebody. and therefore, it must be the same for the coronation and michael cole, former bbc royal correspondent michael , royal correspondent michael, welcome to the program . i welcome to the program. i understand you went with the queen on her visit to beijing a few years ago. so let's begin with that. there is outrage that the chinese vice president, han zheng , has been invited to the zheng, has been invited to the coronation because he's the man that oversaw literally the

destruction of free speech, free media and democracy in hong kong in breach of course, of a treaty that we signed with china . us that we signed with china. us nigel, you're absolutely- nigel, you're absolutely right. ineie-e— nigel, you're absolutely right. inene-e o— nigel, you're absolutely right. there's a real— nigel, you're absolutely right. there's a real game of chinese eneeven— there's a real game of chinese checkers date— there's a real game of chinese checkers date going on here ieeonee— checkers date going on here ieeenee ine— checkers date going on here because the king, when he was iiinee — because the king, when he was iiinee oi— because the king, when he was prince of wales,— because the king, when he was prince of wales, was not exactly shy prince of wales, was not exactly env in— prince of wales, was not exactly env in nie— prince of wales, was not exactly shy in his views— prince of wales, was not exactly shy in his views about the cnineee— shy in his views about the cnineee .— shy in his views about the chinese . he— shy in his views about the chinese . he described the chinese. he described the ieoiennin— chinese. he described the leadership on— chinese. he described the leadership on one occasion as gnoeiiv— leadership on one occasion as gnoeiiv ioi— leadership on one occasion as gnoeiiv ioi oi— leadership on one occasion as ghastly lot of old— leadership on one occasion as ghastly lot of old waxwork . and ghastly lot of old waxwork. and of ghastly lot of old waxwork. and oi , ii— ghastly lot of old waxwork. and of course , it didn't— ghastly lot of old waxwork. and of course , it didn't help his of course, it didn't help his noinen— of course, it didn't help his noinen .— of course, it didn't help his mother , who _ of course, it didn't help his mother , who was about to make mother, who was about to make a vieii— mother, who was about to make a ggg, o— mother, who was about to make a ggg, e eioie— mother, who was about to make a visit, a state visit— mother, who was about to make a visit, a state visit in— mother, who was about to make a visit, a state visit in 1986 to cninn— visit, a state visit in 1986 to china, which _ visit, a state visit in 1986 to china, which as— visit, a state visit in 1986 to china, which as you say, went ani— china, which as you say, went nne inen— china, which as you say, went on. and then the— china, which as you say, went on. and then the duke of iiininign— on. and then the duke of edinburgh put— on. and then the duke of edinburgh put the cap on it by neiening— edinburgh put the cap on it by neiening io — edinburgh put the cap on it by referring to people with slitty evee— referring to people with slitty evee. vou— referring to people with slitty evee. von nov— referring to people with slitty eyes. you may remember that, no — eyes. you may remember that, no one— eyes. you may remember that, no one oi— eyes. you may remember that, too. and of course— eyes. you may remember that, too. and of course , that's when too. and of course, that's when iieeiieni— too. and of course, that's when ineeiieni xi — too. and of course, that's when president xi came— too. and of course, that's when president xi came to this connin— president xi came to this eonninv in— president xi came to this country in 2015 51, the prince of country in 2015 51, the prince oi vvoiee— country in 2015 51, the prince oi vvoiee oe— country in 2015 51, the prince of wales, as he— country in 2015 51, the prince of wales, as he then was, went

invoi— of wales, as he then was, went nvvoi .— of wales, as he then was, went nvvoi . ne— of wales, as he then was, went awol . he didn't— of wales, as he then was, went awol . he didn't turn up at any awol. he didn't turn up at any of awol. he didn't turn up at any oi ine— awol. he didn't turn up at any oi ine nig— awol. he didn't turn up at any of the big receptions in the penne— of the big receptions in the poniee. ne— of the big receptions in the parties. he made his views known ieeonee— parties. he made his views known ieeenee ne-e— parties. he made his views known ieeenee ne-e o— parties. he made his views known because he's a pal— parties. he made his views known because he's a pal of the dalai iono— because he's a pal of the dalai igne oni— because he's a pal of the dalai igne and ne— because he's a pal of the dalai lama and he thinks very , very lama and he thinks very, very eiiongiv— lama and he thinks very, very strongly against— lama and he thinks very, very strongly against the chinese inveovei— strongly against the chinese inveovei oi— strongly against the chinese takeover of tibet. and no doubt inni— takeover of tibet. and no doubt inoi ne— takeover of tibet. and no doubt inoi ne ne— takeover of tibet. and no doubt that he was right— takeover of tibet. and no doubt that he was right in that . now that he was right in that. now goi— that he was right in that. now goi ine— that he was right in that. now we've got the situation because noining— we've got the situation because noining noppene— we've got the situation because nothing happens very much in cnino— nothing happens very much in cnino iv— nothing happens very much in china by accident . nothing happens very much in china by accident. i can promise you— china by accident. i can promise von inni— china by accident. i can promise you no oi— china by accident. i can promise you no oi ine— china by accident. i can promise you that at the top— china by accident. i can promise you that at the top level. so inev-ne— you that at the top level. so they're sending— you that at the top level. so they're sending along this . mr they're sending along this. mr noninon— they're sending along this. mr hardman, the— they're sending along this. mr hardman, the man who's behind the crackdown,— hardman, the man who's behind the crackdown, the— hardman, the man who's behind the crackdown, the man who's been— the crackdown, the man who's been ine— the crackdown, the man who's been ine nig— the crackdown, the man who's been the big enemy of democracy ogoinei— been the big enemy of democracy ogoinei ine— been the big enemy of democracy against the treaty— been the big enemy of democracy against the treaty that we eigneo— against the treaty that we eigneo vvnen— against the treaty that we signed when prince charles, as he signed when prince charles, as ne inen— signed when prince charles, as ne inen oe— signed when prince charles, as he then was, was— signed when prince charles, as he then was, was there and the eoionv— he then was, was there and the eoionv oe— he then was, was there and the colony was handed back to china. so colony was handed back to china. so in— colony was handed back to china. so in inev-ie— colony was handed back to china. so it's they're they're so eoving— so it's they're they're so eoving vvee— so it's they're they're so saying we're sending the hard io— saying we're sending the hard io voo— saying we're sending the hard man to you because that's what we won— man to you because that's what we vvoni io— man to you because that's what we vvoni io oo. — man to you because that's what we want to do. of— man to you because that's what we want to do. of course , is the we want to do. of course, is the oeeieion— we want to do. of course, is the oeeieion io— we want to do. of course, is the decision to invite— we want to do. of course, is the decision to invite him wasn't ine— decision to invite him wasn't ine king-e— decision to invite him wasn't ine king-e .— decision to invite him wasn't the king's. it's— decision to invite him wasn't the king's. it's the government's decision every

eingie— government's decision every eingie connin— government's decision every single country with whom this connin— single country with whom this eonninv noe— single country with whom this country has diplomatic relations exeeni— country has diplomatic relations exeeni nonn— country has diplomatic relations except north korea and iran has been— except north korea and iran has been inviieo— except north korea and iran has been inviieo .— except north korea and iran has been invited . it's— except north korea and iran has been invited . it's up to them. been invited. it's up to them. yes. — been invited. it's up to them. yes. no— been invited. it's up to them. yes. no no— been invited. it's up to them. yes. no i— been invited. it's up to them. yes. no no, i can— been invited. it's up to them. yes. no no, i can see- been invited. it's up to them. yes. no no, i can see that. i can see the diplomatic reasons. now, the northern irish row, of course, is that pamela hicks lady, pamela hicks, who was there and took part in the queen's coronation and whose father , lord mountbatten, was father, lord mountbatten, was murdered by the ira , is not murdered by the ira, is not invited. but michelle o'neill is invited. but michelle o'neill is ianed.the invited. but michelle o'neill is invited. the sinn fein boss in northern ireland, whose own family have been very, very unked family have been very, very linked to republican violence and yet , as linked to republican violence and yet, as first minister, when she said she's going to represent the people of northern ireland to whom this coronation means a lot, do you know what michael cole actually albie that made sense to me . michael cole actually albie that made sense to me. i michael cole actually albie that made sense to me . i agree with made sense to me. i agree with you and nigel, sinn fein. it means ourselves alone. e’fl: \ gs. it; " it means ourselves alone. we you and nigel, sinn fein. it- means ourselves alone. we alone. but means ourselves alone. we alone. nni noi— means ourselves alone. we alone. iii in ne— means ourselves alone. we alone. iii no we nove— means ourselves alone. we alone. but but we have the— means ourselves alone. we alone. but but we have the party neoeneo— but but we have the party reached out— but but we have the party reached out its— but but we have the party reached out its hand in the in

ine— reached out its hand in the in ine nee— reached out its hand in the in ine pee oi— reached out its hand in the in the person of michelle o'neill , the person of michelle o'neill, oni— the person of michelle o'neill, one i— the person of michelle o'neill, one i oppiono— the person of michelle o'neill, and i applaud her— the person of michelle o'neill, and i applaud her for it because ene— and i applaud her for it because ene ie— and i applaud her for it because ene ie ine— and i applaud her for it because she is the head— and i applaud her for it because she is the head of— and i applaud her for it because she is the head of the leading of she is the head of the leading oi ine— she is the head of the leading of the leading— she is the head of the leading of the leading party in stormont and of the leading party in stormont one in— of the leading party in stormont one in ene— of the leading party in stormont and i'm sure she's— of the leading party in stormont and i'm sure she's had to eiinggie— and i'm sure she's had to struggle with— and i'm sure she's had to struggle with her conscience oioni— struggle with her conscience oioni inoi. — struggle with her conscience about that. i'm— struggle with her conscience about that. i'm sure she's sincere republican, but she's oieo— sincere republican, but she's oieo ieooing— sincere republican, but she's also leading all— sincere republican, but she's also leading all the people of inoi— also leading all the people of that province.— also leading all the people of that province. and if there were a that province. and if there were ovoie— that province. and if there were o voie todavv — that province. and if there were a vote today, i'd— that province. and if there were a vote today, i'd bet you a noioniv— a vote today, i'd bet you a noioniv oi— a vote today, i'd bet you a majority of them would want to eoniinne— majority of them would want to eoniinne ine — majority of them would want to continue the union with this conniv— continue the union with this country because— continue the union with this country because there are so nonv— country because there are so many benefits— country because there are so many benefits from them doing so. many benefits from them doing voo— many benefits from them doing you know— many benefits from them doing von knovv .— many benefits from them doing so. you know , nigel, i spent so. you know, nigel, i spent nonv— so. you know, nigel, i spent nonv weeke— so. you know, nigel, i spent nonv vveeve .— so. you know, nigel, i spent many weeks , many months, many many weeks, many months, many gove— many weeks, many months, many dove in— many weeks, many months, many dove in nonnein— many weeks, many months, many days in northern ireland. i was ieoien— days in northern ireland. i was ieoien nn— days in northern ireland. i was beaten up actually in a place eoiieo— beaten up actually in a place called downing— beaten up actually in a place called downing street, which is just called downing street, which is inei oii— called downing street, which is inei oii ine— called downing street, which is just off the shankill road. i ieoien— just off the shankill road. i was beaten up— just off the shankill road. i was beaten up by protestant innge— was beaten up by protestant innge oni— was beaten up by protestant thugs and patched up by catholic in ine— thugs and patched up by catholic nuns in the mater— thugs and patched up by catholic nuns in the mater hospital. so i ininv— nuns in the mater hospital. so i ininv i— nuns in the mater hospital. so i ininv i know— nuns in the mater hospital. so i ininv i knovv o— nuns in the mater hospital. so i think i know a little bit about women— think i know a little bit about northern ireland— think i know a little bit about northern ireland and what i nonio— northern ireland and what i vvonio eov— northern ireland and what i vvonio eov .— northern ireland and what i would say . and— northern ireland and what i would say . and i felt at the would say. and i felt at the ine— would say. and i felt at the iine inoi— would say. and i felt at the time that there— would say. and i felt at the time that there was no need for eooo— time that there was no need for eooo peopie— time that there was no need for eooo peogie io— time that there was no need for 3000 people to die often in

noniiie— 3000 people to die often in horrible circumstances and ieniiie— horrible circumstances and terrible atrocities with women being— terrible atrocities with women being ioneo— terrible atrocities with women being tarred and— terrible atrocities with women being tarred and feathered and ininge— being tarred and feathered and ininge iive— being tarred and feathered and things like that. _ being tarred and feathered and things like that. it was appalling— things like that. it was appalling because the ballot box was appalling because the ballot box oivvove— appalling because the ballot box was always there. _ appalling because the ballot box was always there. they didn't need— was always there. they didn't need ine— was always there. they didn't need the bullet.— was always there. they didn't need the bullet. this wasn't a oieioionnin— need the bullet. this wasn't a dictatorship that— need the bullet. this wasn't a dictatorship that had to be ovenniovvn— dictatorship that had to be overthrown by— dictatorship that had to be overthrown by force of arms. the niooi— overthrown by force of arms. the nnooi oi— overthrown by force of arms. the proof oi inoi— overthrown by force of arms. the proof of that is— overthrown by force of arms. the proof of that is that— overthrown by force of arms. the proof of that is that sinn fein is proof of that is that sinn fein ie now— proof of that is that sinn fein ie ine— proof of that is that sinn fein is now the majority party in nonnein— is now the majority party in northern ireland. they did it by the northern ireland. they did it by ine ioiioi— northern ireland. they did it by the ballot box— northern ireland. they did it by the ballot box at— northern ireland. they did it by the ballot box at the end. so i ininv— the ballot box at the end. so i ininv i— the ballot box at the end. so i think i think— the ballot box at the end. so i think i think i— the ballot box at the end. so i think i think i think we must onniono— think i think i think we must applaud michelle o'neill for going— applaud michelle o'neill for going inoi— applaud michelle o'neill for going inoi .— applaud michelle o'neill for doing that . and i listen, this doing that. and i listen, this is doing that. and i listen, this ie ine— doing that. and i listen, this ie ine ine— doing that. and i listen, this is the time for— doing that. and i listen, this is the time for reconciliation . is the time for reconciliation. and:— is the time for reconciliation. one, voo— is the time for reconciliation. one, you know,— is the time for reconciliation. and, you know, one of the most ine— and, you know, one of the most ine in— and, you know, one of the most ine in ioni— and, you know, one of the most the in fact, probably the most innononi— the in fact, probably the most important speech— the in fact, probably the most important speech of the queen's reign— important speech of the queen's neign oe— important speech of the queen's reign was delivered in westminster- reign was delivered in westminster hall. reign was delivered in westminster hall . you know, the westminster hall. you know, the in— westminster hall. you know, the in going— westminster hall. you know, the in going io— westminster hall. you know, the one i'm going to talk about and the one i'm going to talk about and ine eiivei— one i'm going to talk about and the silver jubilee.— one i'm going to talk about and the silver jubilee. and she the silverjubilee. and she eoiei— the silverjubilee. and she eoio, i— the silverjubilee. and she said, i can't.— the silverjubilee. and she said, i can't. i— the silverjubilee. and she said, i can't. i cannot forget ine— said, i can't. i cannot forget ine ioni— said, i can't. i cannot forget the fact that— said, i can't. i cannot forget the fact that i— said, i can't. i cannot forget the fact that i was crowned the oneen— the fact that i was crowned the oneen oi— the fact that i was crowned the oneen oi ine — the fact that i was crowned the queen of the united kingdom of even— queen of the united kingdom of eneoi nniioin— queen of the united kingdom of great britain and— queen of the united kingdom of great britain and northern ineionei— great britain and northern ireland. what— great britain and northern ireland. what she was saying to the politicians— ireland. what she was saying to the politicians who were saying at the politicians who were saying

oi ine— the politicians who were saying oi ine ine— the politicians who were saying at the time, because of the ieniiie — at the time, because of the terrible violence- at the time, because of the terrible violence that northern iieiono— terrible violence that northern ireland should— terrible violence that northern ireland should be sort hived ireland should be sort of hived off ireland should be sort of hived oii oe— ireland should be sort of hived oii oe o— ireland should be sort of hived off as a protestant— ireland should be sort of hived off as a protestant state, that ene— off as a protestant state, that nee—— off as a protestant state, that. ene—no-einen she was saying, no, she's stuck vviin— she was saying, no, she's stuck viii—.— she was saying, no, she's stuck vviin—. inn- she was saying, no, she's stuck vviin—. i-nn goingl she was saying, no, she's stucki with_, i'm going to with it. michael, i'm going to have to end there. i'm out of have to end it there. i'm out of time. but agree with you and time. but i agree with you and some our viewers will look some of our viewers will look upon shock. others upon this with shock. others will well, the hypocrisy of will say, well, the hypocrisy of sinn fein allowing street sinn fein not allowing street parties. think she's doing parties. but i think she's doing the thing. michael, we're the right thing. michael, we're going to be speaking to you a lot of lot over the next couple of weeks moment, we'll go to weeks in a moment, we'll go to the publican whose troubles we've tracked. pub will be we've tracked. his pub will be closing sunday. have closing on sunday. we'll have a final with simon cleary in final word with simon cleary in a moment

here on gb news, the people's. channel we've been cnonnei— we've been following pubs around the we've been following pubs around ine conniv— we've been following pubs around ine eonninv io— we've been following pubs around the country to see _ we've been following pubs around the country to see whether they ennive— the country to see whether they can survive. and— the country to see whether they can survive. and of— the country to see whether they can survive. and of course, ineie— can survive. and of course, inene oe— can survive. and of course, there was there— can survive. and of course, there was there were government nonoonie— there was there were government handouts during— there was there were government handouts during covid, but maybe that handouts during covid, but maybe inoi vvoeni— handouts during covid, but maybe that wasn't enough.— handouts during covid, but maybe that wasn't enough. and several iinee— that wasn't enough. and several iinee-enonen— that wasn't enough. and several times-spoken to— that wasn't enough. and several times spoken to simon times i've spoken to simon cieonv— times i've spoken to simon enon—oi- times i've spoken to simon| cieonv—oi ine cleary, the landlord of the iiongn— cleary, the landlord of the iiongn-oi— cleary, the landlord of the plough at great chesterford. plough inn at great chesterford. nee-e— plough inn at great chesterford. nene-e o— plough inn at great chesterford. nene-e o eonnie— plough inn at great chesterford. here's a couple of— plough inn at great chesterford. here's a couple of clips to remini— here's a couple of clips toi remind—previous remind you of our previous conversation. _ remind you of our previous conversation. '5 ”

remind you of our previous conversation. ” izfiizizwi conversation. as our energy bills in our pub alone on the 9th of october are going to be increasing from £13,000 a year to £35,000 a year. generally, it's good news and we welcome it. but whether it's going to be enough to take a dreadful situation and completely smooth it out, i don't think so. it's going to help. but i think we're still in for a very rough winter. we're actually giving up. we're leaving this pub in eight weeks time to put some. well, i've spoken to you before , nigel. yeah, i've spoken to you before. we were talking about what may happen with your bills. let me give you some figures. nigel our gas bill in 2022 for january was £438, including the swindley environmental charge and vat. our gas bill that we received for january this year. was £2,370. nearly five times as much . well, simon cleary joins

much. well, simon cleary joins ii-e— much. well, simon cleary joins in ne— much. well, simon cleary joins me. it's last orders— “-s�*ii well, simon cleary joins me. it's last orders on sunday. sinon— me. it's last orders on sunday. sinon ii— me. it's last orders on sunday. simon it wasn't— me. it's last orders on sunday. simon it wasn't just the energy iiiie— simon it wasn't just the energy iiiie inongn— simon it wasn't just the energy bills, though, was— simon it wasn't just the energy bills, though, was it ? . bills, though, was it? it was covin— bills, though, was it? it was covio neoiiv. — bills, though, was it? it was covid really. nigel that's what kicked it off . the closures kicked it off. the closures dunng kicked it off. the closures during covid and the enormous change in the way that people behave. and the best example of that as publicans and restaurants across the country will tell you is the changing eating habits, particularly at lunchtime. we certainly relied on local businesses as people from the research parks that are backed by cambridge university to come in here in their small groups five, six, seven, sometimes ten people to have lunch during the day, particularly on a friday. and thatis particularly on a friday. and that is a big chunk of business that is a big chunk of business that we've all lost because now everybody's working from home. those people aren't in the offices and indeed we saw some offices and indeed we saw some of those people during the christmas period and said, hey guys, where have you been all year? and they said, this is the first time we've been together here year. we don't see each here all year. we don't see each

other anymore. we know that last year jamie oliver lost all his restaurants. last month, the restaurants. last month, the restaurant group who owned frankie and benny's and chiquita's and wagamamas announced 50 closures, and i think it was yesterday, or it may have been this morning that we've learnt that another major restaurant group is shutting 40 prezzo is shutting 46 of their restaurants going forward . restaurants going forward. hospitality. nigel unfortunate is in a real mess. yeah you're right. simon it's that cultural eionge— right. simon it's that cultural enonge. i-ve— right. simon it's that cultural change. i've seen— right. simon it's that cultural change. i've seen it.- change. i've seen it. absolutely. - change. i've seen it. absolutely. i agree with you. now:— absolutely. i agree with you. novv, ieii— absolutely. i agree with you. now, tell me,— absolutely. i agree with you. now, tell me, sunday is the last oov. — now, tell me, sunday is the last oov. viii— now, tell me, sunday is the last gov. vviii voo— now, tell me, sunday is the last gov. vviii you be— now, tell me, sunday is the last day. will you be going out with a day. will you be going out with o nong— day. will you be going out with o iong e — day. will you be going out with o nong e vie— day. will you be going out with a bang ? �*fvi�*izi; f day. will you be going out with a bang ? e”i:i; \ 9:1. a bang? we certainly are, nigel. we're open at 12:00. we're going to have a dog show hosted by our regular pub dog oscar with lots of categories . so fun for all of categories. so fun for all the family bouncy castles, face painters, barbecue fish and chip shop live singers , djs. and then shop live singers, djs. and then we're rounding it all off at about 10:00 on sunday with a firework display. so, yes, we are certainly going out with a bang. go well, simon, thank you

for bang. go well, simon, thank you ioi ieing— bang. go well, simon, thank you ioi ieing vviin— bang. go well, simon, thank you for being with us— bang. go well, simon, thank you for being with us and— zie�*ig go well, simon, thank you for being with us and charting inn— for being with us and charting inn-ano— for being with us and charting inn-one i— for being with us and charting this-and i want- for being with us and charting this and i want to wish this journey. and i want to wish you— this journey. and i want to wish yon-ine— this journey. and i want to wish von-ine inne- this journey. and i want to wish you the future. and you well for the future. and inonk— you well for the future. and inonk-ioi— you well for the future. and thank .for-on. you well for the future. andi thank-for-on and thank you for coming on and ieiiing— thank you for coming on and ieiiinglvonn— thank you for coming on and telling your story on. telling us your story on. thank you— telling us your story on. thank you very— telling us your story on. thank you very noon.— telling us your story on. thank you very much, nigel. thank you very much. well, what sad very much. well, what a sad eionv. — very much. well, what a sad eionv. voo— very much. well, what a sad story. you know,— very much. well, what a sad story. you know, nice guy trying hard. very story. now, hard. very very sad story. now, the what? the farage moment occurred house commons occurred in the house of commons yesterday. natalie elphicke, tory for dover. this is what tory mp for dover. this is what she said . so amendment 184 would she said. so amendment 184 would apply— she said. so amendment 184 would apply vvneinen— she said. so amendment 184 would apply vvneinen oi— she said. so amendment 184 would apply whether or not— q so amendment 184 would apply whether or not the country of apply whether or not the country oi origin— apply whether or not the country oi origin eon— apply whether or not the country of origin can be— apply whether or not the country of origin can be identified for exonnie— of origin can be identified for examplev ii— of origin can be identified for example, if someone is undocumented . covid perhaps undocumented. covid perhaps ieeonee— undocumented. covid perhaps ieeonee inev— undocumented. covid perhaps because they have eaten their ioeniiiv— because they have eaten their ioeniiiv poten— because they have eaten their identity papers or thrown their noeenon— identity papers or thrown their goeegon in— identity papers or thrown their goeegon in ine— identity papers or thrown their passport in the channel or, as none— passport in the channel or, as border officials— passport in the channel or, as border officials tell me, has enoeningiv— border officials tell me, has shockingly been— border officials tell me, has shockingly been the case, has ioken— shockingly been the case, has ionen nozon— shockingly been the case, has taken razor blades to their iingen— taken razor blades to their iingene io— taken razor blades to their fingers to damage and destroy inein— fingers to damage and destroy inein own— fingers to damage and destroy their own fingerprints , to avoid their own fingerprints, to avoid identification _ their own fingerprints, to avoid identification .— their own fingerprints, to avoid identification . then what? �*fvi�*e. identification. then what? what if identification. then what? what ii inev-ne— identification. then what? what ii inev-ne oeing— identification. then what? what if they're using razor— identification. then what? what if they're using razor blades to disguise their fingerprints? they've got something very serious to hide and they're

being put up in four star hotels, all around the country and allowed to roam freely in our society. the first duty of government is to protect our people and our communities. and clearly , if men like this are clearly, if men like this are coming into our country, we're being put in great danger. i hadnt being put in great danger. i hadn't heard that story before. i'm up to speed with most things to do with the channel. that's why i hadn't heard. i'm frankly appalled by it. in a moment, a complete change of tone . frank complete change of tone. frank bruno joins me on talking pines. back with you in a couple of moments .

well, earlier this week, i sat down with frank bruno the full half an hour discussion you can find on gb news .uk. but here's 15 minutes of my conversation with that great character and

former world heavyweight champion on this special edition of talking pints is with somebody who i mean, legend doesn't even get near it. you can't even if you're younger, you can't even begin to understand the level of fame this bloke had a couple of years ago. frank bruno, welcome. welcome to you . what a pleasure welcome to you. what a pleasure to meet you . as someone who's to meet you. as someone who's a lifelong boxing fan and i love the boxing , i like lifelong boxing fan and i love the boxing, i like going to the boxing to meet you is it's a real pleasure. cheers, nigel. it's so nice to meet you as vveii— it's so nice to meet you as vveii. non— it's so nice to meet you as well. now back— it's so nice to meet you as well. now back to the beginning. youn— well. now back to the beginning. on nonenie— well. now back to the beginning. your parents come.— well. now back to the beginning. your parents come. they're- well. now back to the beginning. your parents come. they're part of that windrush rush. yeah. 19505 of that windrush rush. yeah. 1950s move. jamaican . i'm 1950s move. jamaican. i'm jamaican. yeah, that's right. and you're growing up. you're growing up in south london, big family, kids. yeah. and family, loads of kids. yeah. and we hearing these stories we keep hearing these stories about what an awful country we are. who is it? well, they keep saying, oh, britain's a terrible racist hellhole. and, you know what? what was it like growing up in south london? it was all right up in south london? it was all nigni gnovving— up in south london? it was all nigni gnovving nn— up in south london? it was all right growing up in—

" 3“ it was all right growing up in south ionion— right growing up in south london. you— right growing up in south london. you know, i mean, i inink— london. you know, i mean, i inink ii— london. you know, i mean, i inink ii oe— london. you know, i mean, i think it was 1961— london. you know, i mean, i think it was 1961 when i was nonn— think it was 1961 when i was ionn. inene— think it was 1961 when i was born. there was— think it was 1961 when i was born. there was a lot of skinheads— born. there was a lot of skinheads and- born. there was a lot of skinheads and jamaicans fighting eoen— skinheads and jamaicans fighting eoen oinen. — skinheads and jamaicans fighting each other. but— skinheads and jamaicans fighting each other. but yeah , nothing. each other. but yeah, nothing. veon— each other. but yeah, nothing. veon one— each other. but yeah, nothing. veon one oi— each other. but yeah, nothing. yeah one of the— each other. but yeah, nothing. yeah one of the things, one of inen — yeah one of the things, one of inen ininge— yeah one of the things, one of them things and— yeah one of the things, one of them things and mum and dad, you know,— them things and mum and dad, you know, venv— them things and mum and dad, you know, very important people in vonn— know, very important people in vonn iiie— know, very important people in vonn iiie. veno— know, very important people in your life. very, very important, venv. — your life. very, very important, venv. noi— your life. very, very important, venv. nni noo— your life. very, very important, very. but dad was— your life. very, very important, very. but dad was works in a eone— very. but dad was works in a coke ioeionv— very. but dad was works in a coke ioeionv .— very. but dad was works in a cake factory . my— very. but dad was works in a cake factory . my mum was cake factory. my mum was a oieiniei— cake factory. my mum was a district nurse,— cake factory. my mum was a district nurse, so— cake factory. my mum was a district nurse, so she had had nen— district nurse, so she had had nen nonn— district nurse, so she had had nen vvonn eni— district nurse, so she had had her work cut out,— district nurse, so she had had her work cut out, but she was a good— her work cut out, but she was a good men— her work cut out, but she was a good oni— her work cut out, but she was a good mum and she's a good nurse as good mum and she's a good nurse oe vveii— good mum and she's a good nurse oe vveii oni— good mum and she's a good nurse oe vveii one o— good mum and she's a good nurse as well and a christian. cnnieiion.— as well and a christian. christian. yeah, pentecostal in engen— christian. yeah, pentecostal in ennnen. eive— christian. yeah, pentecostal in church. give your— christian. yeah, pentecostal in church. give your heart to jesus . ano— church. give your heart to jesus . and one— church. give your heart to jesus . ann voo— church. give your heart to jesus . and are you are— church. give your heart to jesus . and are you are you- . and are you are you a christian? i believe in there's eoneining— christian? i believe in there's something out— christian? i believe in there's something out there. - 7 i believe in there's something out there. i e7 i believe in there's something out there. i mean, i ieiieve— something out there. i mean, i ieiieve in— something out there. i mean, i believe in there's— something out there. i mean, i believe in there's something out iiene— believe in there's something out inene. voo— believe in there's something out there. you know,— believe in there's something out there. you know, i— believe in there's something out there. you know, i believe in god— there. you know, i believe in god noei— there. you know, i believe in god noei oi— there. you know, i believe in god most of my— there. you know, i believe in god most of my life. and there's eoneining— god most of my life. and there's eoneining oni— god most of my life. and there's something out there. yeah, i inink— something out there. yeah, i inink inev-ve— something out there. yeah, i think they've done me wrong . think they've done me wrong. no.— think they've done me wrong. no. wein— think they've done me wrong. no. vieii. iii— think they've done me wrong. no. well, i'll tell— think they've done me wrong. no. well, i'll tell you- think they've done me wrong. no. well, i'll tell you what. actually, the whole of our civilisation _ actually, the whole of our civilisation is— actually, the whole of our civilisation is based on those viee— civilisation is based on those vie ien-i— civilisation is based on those values, isn't it?— civilisation is based on those values, isn't it? really when he eeni— values, isn't it? really when he eeni-von— values, isn't it? really when he was sent you know, you're was sent away, you know, you're 12 was sent away, you know, you're in one— was sent away, you know, you're in one voo— was sent away, you know, you're in one you gei— was sent away, you know, you're 12 and you get packed off to a eenooi— 12 and you get packed off to a school-school.— 12 and you get packed off to a school school. yeah school in school. yeah. yeah i , iii— school in school. yeah. yeah i , iii voo— school in school. yeah. yeah i mean , did you feel society had mean, did you feel society had nine— mean, did you feel society had nine oi— mean, did you feel society had kind of pushed— mean, did you feel society had kind of pushed you off a bit?

at kind of pushed you off a bit? in ini— kind of pushed you off a bit? in iinei i— kind of pushed you off a bit? at first i couldn't— kind of pushed you off a bit? at first i couldn't understand my mum being that wicked, but when i left the school and when i got into the school, i realised that she took me away from london because london was all the bad boys were. and wherever . and i had to be sent wherever. and i had to be sent away from london get out away from london and to get out of the rat race. and what i was living getting involved with some serious characters. so i'm glad i got fryston if my son i a son and he was young and he was getting out of zinc, i was sending to a borstal like that was it? i messed around. they know what they're doing because a lot of people would say, well, if you go to a borstal, you know, it's a terrible thing. but you're saying actually it iii—ne- but you're saying actually iti iii—ire iie but you're saying actually it- did—it's the best did you some good. it's the best thing that could have happened to me. really yeah, definitely. definitely. was very definitely. because i was very naive, young. was big naive, very young. but i was big for and hanging around for my age and hanging around with , older than with bigger, older guys than myself. they couldn't myself. and they couldn't lead me wrong, tree . i me up the wrong, wrong tree. i had half stepbrother called had a half stepbrother called michael and he had my back and warned them guys against me. but walking the streets , living the

walking the streets, living the life they used to live, it was very dangerous and a very brave. i couldn't understand it, how they go in someone's they could go in someone's house. can they can pick house. how can they can pick someone's pocket or something like that. i'm not being wicked, but that's mum but if someone that's your mum or got into your house, or someone got into your house, how would you feel? yeah totally logical. common sense. so borstal taught you what discipline and everything taught me. discipline get up and go. manners i worked in an old people's home. i was polishing the floor, cutting the grass, cleaning the dog's mess up, cleaning the dog's mess up, clean the aston martin, clean the chicken mess out. that's good. things you know, i mean, away from what i was learning at school. and obviously getting veno— school. and obviously getting veryv venv— school. and obviously getting veryv venv iii— school. and obviously getting veryv venv iii . — school. and obviously getting very, very fit . super- f and obviously getting very, very fit . �*" . very, very fit. super fit because the school was heels. everywhere you went was heels. you come out the classroom, there was heels, you know, and out in the fresh air in sussex, he felt broad oak. you know, if someone knows that it's really roots countrified , beautiful. roots countrified, beautiful. definitely. yeah but you get good— definitely. yeah but you get good oi— definitely. yeah but you get good oi booing— definitely. yeah but you get good at boxing .— in?" " .iiil.«i “415?" but you get good at boxing . yeah.

anf" " .iiil.«i “415?" but you get good at boxing . yeah. very good at boxing. yeah. very quickly— good at boxing. yeah. very quickly . — good at boxing. yeah. very quickly . i— good at boxing. yeah. very quickly . i trace- good at boxing. yeah. very quickly . i trace .- good at boxing. yeah. very quickly . f cizi good at boxing. yeah. very quickly . f cit» iii" good at boxing. yeah. very quickly. f ciizzi / quickly. i trace. go on. yeah, i had no choice. it just got the job i had to do it. and when i was 18, i met a young lady and then we had a little bit of rumbling in the bedroom, and she was producing the baby. so i had to get myself together and i mean, at 11, yeah, the baby's not too cheap. you were the youngest, but you were the youngest, but you were the youngest champion . amateur youngest champion. amateur boxer. boxing champion. yeah still stands today. and you had a still stands today. and you had o gneoi— still stands today. and you had a great amateur— still stands today. and you had a great amateur career,- .. : : and you had a great amateur career, but kind of a great amateur career, but kind oi in— a great amateur career, but kind oi in oniin— a great amateur career, but kind of in public consciousness . of in public consciousness. veon. — of in public consciousness. veon. voo— of in public consciousness. yeah. you know,- of in public consciousness. yeah. you know, and i remember inn— yeah. you know, and i remember inie oe— yeah. you know, and i remember inie voo— yeah. you know, and i remember this as, you know,— yeah. you know, and i remember this as, you know, frank bruno innne— this as, you know, frank bruno innne gno— this as, you know, frank bruno innne pro nigni— this as, you know, frank bruno turns pro right and suddenly von-ne— turns pro right and suddenly von-ne winning— turns pro right and suddenly you're winning fight after fight one— you're winning fight after fight oiien iigni— you're winning fight after fight oiien iigni .— you're winning fight after fight after fight , right? and you're after fight, right? and you're winning— after fight, right? and you're winning them— after fight, right? and you're winning them all with knockouts . non.— winning them all with knockouts . veon. n— winning them all with knockouts .veon. ie inoi— winning them all with knockouts . yeah. is that is— winning them all with knockouts . yeah. is that is there some eon— . yeah. is that is there some eon oi.— . yeah. is that is there some eon oi. n— . yeah. is that is there some sort of. is that— . yeah. is that is there some sort of. is that will that ineiinei— sort of. is that will that instinct within frank bruno to nine— instinct within frank bruno to nine n— instinct within frank bruno to nine ie inoi— instinct within frank bruno to win? is that is— instinct within frank bruno to win? is that is that what drove vou— win? is that is that what drove von — win? is that is that what drove von veon— win? is that is that what drove von veon — win? is that is that what drove you on. yeah it's— win? is that is that what drove you on. yeah . ic win? is that is that what drove you on. yeah . you on. yeah it's much better to win get punched a guy more hardly punches you. i'm not that

kinky to go in there and tit for tat . when you go in there you tat. when you go in there you don't pay for overtime. so you're best to get him out as quick as possible and go and learn your trade in the gym. watch the fights whatever. watch the fights or whatever. but not a sport to be but it's not a sport to be messed around with. within a couple years, within couple messed around with. within a co years, years, within couple messed around with. within a co years, a'ears, within couple messed around with. within a co years, a utrs, within couple messed around with. within a co years, a u turn. hin couple messed around with. within a co years, a u turn. and couple messed around with. within a co years, a u turn. and i:ouple of years, a u turn. and i remember this- .. and i remember this because i'm of years, a u turn. and i- remember this because i'm born ini— remember this because i'm born inei oiien— remember this because i'm born inei oiien voo— remember this because i'm born inei oiien yon-i— remember this because i'm born just after you i remember just after you and i remember vviinin— just after you and i remember vviinin o— just after you and i remember within a couple— just after you and i remember within a couple of years you within a couple of years of you inning— within a couple of years of you innning gno— within a couple of years of you turning pro right— within a couple of years of you turning pro right suddenly, nonn— turning pro right suddenly, frank bruno— turning pro right suddenly, frank bruno-a- turning pro right suddenly, frank bruno a sensation. frank bruno is a sensation. non.— frank bruno is a sensation. non—ine- frank bruno is a sensation. yeah._the are yeah. and people in the pubs are ioining— yeah. and people in the pubs are ioining oioni— yeah. and people in the pubs are talking about bruno. no talking about frank bruno. no nnoiien— talking about frank bruno. no pnonien-oo— talking about frank bruno. no problem. -do you- talking about frank bruno. no problem. do you cope ? how do problem. how do you cope? how do you open— problem. how do you cope? how do you eonee von-ve— problem. how do you cope? how do you cope? you've been in borstal oni— you cope? you've been in borstal one-veon— you cope? you've been in borstal and-years later— you cope? you've been in borstal and -years later ,- you cope? you've been in borstal and years later , you know, and a few years later, you know, inene— and a few years later, you know, inene voo— and a few years later, you know, inene von — and a few years later, you know, there you are. and— and a few years later, you know, there you are. and you know the inooenonk— there you are. and you know the trademark harry— there you are. and you know the trademark harry carpenter , who trademark harry carpenter, who you trademark harry carpenter, who von moie— trademark harry carpenter, who you made world— trademark harry carpenter, who you made world famous . / you made world famous. yeah, he none— you made world famous. yeah, he none nne— you made world famous. yeah, he made me famous because he was very good at his job. harry. harry. well, you were both great to each other. you were good for each other. yeah, right. you know— each other. yeah, right. you knovv vvnoi— each other. yeah, right. you knovv vvnoi i— each other. yeah, right. you know what i mean?- each other. yeah, right. you- know what i mean?-becomes know what i mean? harry becomes ieee— know what i mean? harry becomes ieeonee-ine— know what i mean? harry becomes becomes-the best- know what i mean? harry becomes becomes the best known becomes one of the best known nnnoeee— becomes one of the best known onnoeeeline— becomes one of the best known phrases the english phrases in the english language. nign.— phrases in the english language. nign—inno- phrases in the english language. nign—enon i phrases in the english language. nign—enon , oi right. how does frank bruno, a no— right. how does frank bruno, a ievv-oi— right. how does frank bruno, a few-of borstal- right. how does frank bruno, a few-of borstal lad. few years out of borstal lad inn— few years out of borstal lad inon sonin— few years out of borstal lad from south london. how do you eone— from south london. how do you one win— from south london. how do you one win being— from south london. how do you cope with being a— from south london. how do you cope with being a star? i put

evenviiing— cope with being a star? i put evenviiing io— cope with being a star? i put everything to one side. i'd worked being a star. i wouldn't really cast myself as being a star. just a ducker and diver and myself in the borstal. i'd just put myself into boxing. i'd left all the business like the accountant. i had the manager, i had the agent put them to do what i had to do because i'm trying that's what trying the boxing. that's what i'd you couldn't walk i'd done. but you couldn't walk down— i'd done. but you couldn't walk gown-eineei— i'd done. but you couldn't walk down - street with _ i: : but you couldn't walk down street with everyone. down the street with everyone. voo— down the street with everyone. you-vou— down the street with everyone. yon-yon oe— down the street with everyone. you-you are fairly- you see, you are fairly recognised— you see, you are fairly recognised .- you see, you are fairly recognised . well, i fairly recognised. well, i fairly recognisable— recognised. well, i fairly recognisable . recognised. well, i fairly- recognisable . i think the kids recognisable. i think the kids now, getting a little now, they're getting a little bit that. they're looking bit beyond that. they're looking at they're confused more than whatever. yeah , i've whatever. but yeah, yeah, i've got very, very famous pretty quick. you very, very quick. you did very, very famous. and then, and then i remember vividly— famous. and then, and then i remember vividly ,_ and then, and then i remember vividly , it's 1989. remember vividly, it's 1989. veon. — remember vividly, it's 1989. veon. yon-ne— remember vividly, it's 1989. yeah. you're off— remember vividly, it's 1989. yeah. you're off to las vegas. veon— yeah. you're off to las vegas. veon non— yeah. you're off to las vegas. yeah for this— yeah. you're off to las vegas. yeah for this fight against iveon— yeah for this fight against iveon. ano— yeah for this fight against tyson. and suddenly me, you are enooeniv— tyson. and suddenly me, you are enooeniv ine— tyson. and suddenly me, you are suddenly the whole blooming connin— suddenly the whole blooming eonninv ie— suddenly the whole blooming country is talking about the nonn— country is talking about the frank bruno— country is talking about the frank bruno fight. yeah. against this frank bruno fight. yeah. against inie gov— frank bruno fight. yeah. against inie gov .— frank bruno fight. yeah. against inie gov . ano— frank bruno fight. yeah. against inie gov . ano voo— frank bruno fight. yeah. against this guy . and you did hit him, this guy. and you did hit him, oiien-i— this guy. and you did hit him, oion-i voo— this guy. and you did hit him, oion-i voo e — this guy. and you did hit him, didn't you ? well,- this guy. and you did hit him, didn't you ? �*fvi�*iz;.. " . " didn't you? well, i hit him once, and he wobbled like elvis

haha.i once, and he wobbled like elvis haha. ithought once, and he wobbled like elvis haha. i thought you had him. veon— haha. i thought you had him. veon vve-e— haha. i thought you had him. yeah, we're all— i thought you had him. yeah, we're all cheering at the env— yeah, we're all cheering at the ieiiv .— yeah, we're all cheering at the ieiiv . voo— yeah, we're all cheering at the telly . you know,— yeah, we're all cheering at the telly . you know, i— yeah, we're all cheering at the telly . you know, i fought him as telly. you know, i fought him as vveii— telly. you know, i fought him as wen, ioi— telly. you know, i fought him as wen, ioi oe— telly. you know, i fought him as well, but as soon— telly. you know, i fought him as well, but as soon as he recovered, he - well, but as soon as he recovered, he punished me and gove— recovered, he punished me and gove ne— recovered, he punished me and gave me some beatings. . gave me some beatings. tyson it was gave me some beatings. tyson it o gono— gave me some beatings. tyson it was a good fight, much better than people give him credit for. and a dangerous fighter as well . buti and a dangerous fighter as well . but i guess, you know, for voon— . but i guess, you know, for voon voo— but i guess, you know, for your career, you know, the mid 905,— your career, you know, the mid ooe 95— your career, you know, the mid ooe es ine — your career, you know, the mid 905, 95 the fight— your career, you know, the mid 90s, 95 the fight and there you are 90s, 95 the fight and there you one— 90s, 95 the fight and there you are and suddenly— 90s, 95 the fight and there you are and suddenly see you're only the are and suddenly see you're only ine inino— are and suddenly see you're only ine inino ne— are and suddenly see you're only the third one ever— are and suddenly see you're only the third one ever in this eooninv— the third one ever in this eooninv .— the third one ever in this eooninv . ii-e— the third one ever in this country . it's frank bruno , a country. it's frank bruno, a neovvvveigni— country. it's frank bruno, a heavyweight boxing champion of the heavyweight boxing champion of ine vvonio. — heavyweight boxing champion of the world. you— heavyweight boxing champion of the world. you must have dreamt of the world. you must have dreamt oi inoi— the world. you must have dreamt oi inoi onen— the world. you must have dreamt of that when you— the world. you must have dreamt of that when you were a kid. i oion-i— of that when you were a kid. i oion-i know— of that when you were a kid. i didn't know if— of that when you were a kid. i didn't know if i— of that when you were a kid. i didn't know if i dreamt- of that when you were a kid. i didn't know if i dreamt of that. you know what i mean? but you do have dreams. that you have plans. the only thing i didn't do of reaching my dreams was get a helicopter. i wanted to get a neiieonien— a helicopter. i wanted to get a neiieonien io— a helicopter. i wanted to get a helicopter to beat— a helicopter. i wanted to get a helicopter to beat the - f i wanted to get a helicopter to beat the traffic, ioi— helicopter to beat the traffic, ioi ii— helicopter to beat the traffic, ioi ii eon— helicopter to beat the traffic, but it can still— helicopter to beat the traffic, but it can still be arranged. voo— but it can still be arranged. you know— but it can still be arranged. you know how— but it can still be arranged. you know how did— but it can still be arranged. you know how did it- but it can still be arranged. you know how did it feel to be world champion? i felt very, very good. very, very nice. very sweet. you know, i mean, it weren't for long, but while it

lasted, was very, very sweet. lasted, it was very, very sweet. do you did it. and do you know what you did it. and history. yeah. nobody can ever take that away. and by this time voe— take that away. and by this time voo-ne onneoning— take that away. and by this time you're appearing. you're- and by this time you're appearing. you're in even— you're appearing. you're in every spitting— you're appearing. you're in every spitting image sketch. voe— every spitting image sketch. voe inovo— every spitting image sketch. you're inaya. you're in, you know,— you're inaya. you're in, you know, even— you're inaya. you're in, you know, every panto in the country nonn— know, every panto in the country vvonie io— know, every panto in the country vvonie io goon— know, every panto in the country wants to duck and— know, every panto in the country wants to duck and dive de—man evenv— wants to duck and dive de—man evenv iv— wants to duck and dive de—man every tv channel— wants to duck and dive de—man every tv channel wants you . i every tv channel wants you. i i— every tv channel wants you. i i noo— every tv channel wants you. i i noo o— every tv channel wants you. i mean, i had a good manager in iennv— mean, i had a good manager in iennv iovvieee. — mean, i had a good manager in terry lawless. he— mean, i had a good manager in terry lawless. it; i1::i.2 f terry lawless. he was old school . and he taught you the old school way and you put it on the table . you said to you , this is table. you said to you, this is how you do it. this is how he done it, this is how he successfully done it and keep up the way. and i've done it. but a lot of boxers are very jealous of me for working hard and being famous on television. but i wokeist this famous on television. i had to work a while. i achieved. and you were eiiii— while. i achieved. and you were eiiii inoining— while. i achieved. and you were still training all— while. i achieved. and you were still training all the— and you were still training all the time. i inoining— still training all the time. i was training even- still training all the time. i was training even now- still training all the time. i was training even now i'm still training. was that is that sort of training. was that is that sort oi o— training. was that is that sort oi o eon— training. was that is that sort oi o eon oi— training. was that is that sort oi o eon oi o— " 3 was that is that sort of a sort of a fanatical thing inoi— of a sort of a fanatical thing inoi voo— of a sort of a fanatical thing that you have— of a sort of a fanatical thing that you have to— of a sort of a fanatical thing that you have to do? ite. that you have to do? fanatical is endorphins looking after yourself. sometimes you look at yourself. sometimes you look at yourself you yourself in the mirror and you already baby

already looks like a baby dropping there. you've got to dropping in there. you've got to calm down. ipp. sit up calm it down. ipp. sit up straight. you calm it down. ipp. sit up straight . you know, you go on straight. you know, you go on boxing— straight. you know, you go on boxing .— straight. you know, you go on booing , voo— straight. you know, you go on booing , voo gei— straight. you know, you go on boxing , you get hurt- q you know, you go on boxing , you get hurt a couple of boxing, you get hurt a couple of ion.— boxing, you get hurt a couple of iinee. in— boxing, you get hurt a couple of iinee. in ine— boxing, you get hurt a couple of times. in the end,— boxing, you get hurt a couple of times. in the end, like all eponenen— times. in the end, like all sportsmen, the- times. in the end, like all sportsmen, the day comes you nove— sportsmen, the day comes you nove io— sportsmen, the day comes you nove io eoii— sportsmen, the day comes you have to call it— sportsmen, the day comes you have to call it a— sportsmen, the day comes you have to call it a day. and none— have to call it a day. and none goi— have to call it a day. and that's got to— have to call it a day. and that's got to be- have to call it a day. and that's got to be a bit of a nigninone,— that's got to be a bit of a nightmare, isn't it? really? it ie— nightmare, isn't it? really? it ie o— nightmare, isn't it? really? it can be a little— nightmare, isn't it? really? it can be a little bit of a nigninone— can be a little bit of a nightmare because once you've been— nightmare because once you've been invoiveo— nightmare because once you've been involved with the game, i neopie— been involved with the game, i mean, people and— been involved with the game, i mean, people and boxing in front of mean, people and boxing in front oi niiiione— mean, people and boxing in front of millions and— mean, people and boxing in front of millions and people, it can get— of millions and people, it can gei o— of millions and people, it can gei o iiiiie— of millions and people, it can get a little bit— of millions and people, it can get a little bit hard to cope, vou— get a little bit hard to cope, voo-vvnoi— get a little bit hard to cope, voo-vvnoi i— get a little bit hard to cope,l you-what i-and get a little bit hard to cope,- you-what i-and settle you know what i mean? and settle down.— you know what i mean? and settle down. anybody retires any down. anybody retires from any job, you've got to job, you know, you've got to find something to occupy yourself. think that's right. yourself. i think that's right. i the difference most i think the difference is most neonie— i think the difference is most people neiine— i think the difference is most people retire from jobs much ioien— people retire from jobs much ioien .— people retire from jobs much later . sportsmen footballers, later. sportsmen footballers, nee— later. sportsmen footballers, ioee .— later. sportsmen footballers, boxers , whatever. rugby players boxers, whatever. rugby players , voe— boxers, whatever. rugby players , voo-ne venv— boxers, whatever. rugby players , v venv voo— boxers, whatever. rugby players , you're very you know, you're eoiieniv— , you're very you know, you're eoiieniv in— , you're very you know, you're suddenly in your— , you're very you know, you're suddenly in your 30s, don't know onene— suddenly in your 30s, don't know vvnene io— suddenly in your 30s, don't know vvnene io go— suddenly in your 30s, don't know vvnene io go one— suddenly in your 30s, don't know where to go and you don't know vvnene— where to go and you don't know vvnene io— where to go and you don't know vvnene io go.— where to go and you don't know where to go. and— where to go and you don't know where to go. and frank, it all eon— where to go. and frank, it all eon oi,— where to go. and frank, it all eon oi, voo— where to go. and frank, it all sort of, you know,— where to go. and frank, it all sort of, you know, the marriage enge— sort of, you know, the marriage enie ine— sort of, you know, the marriage ends, the career's_ sort of, you know, the marriage ends, the career's over. you've neeeei— ends, the career's over. you've neeeei-vviin— ends, the career's over. you've messed-with some- ends, the career's over. you've messed with some of this messed about with some of this eioii— messed about with some of this eioii voo— messed about with some of this stuff you shouldn't have done. voo— stuff you shouldn't have done. voo know— stuff you shouldn't have done. you know-and— stuff you shouldn't have done. you know-and-itl stuff you shouldn't have done. you know-and-it all you know it. and suddenly it all goee— you know it. and suddenly it all goee-eoiieniv.- you know it. and suddenly it allj goes-suddenly.-is goes wrong suddenly. i mean, is

it goes wrong suddenly. i mean, is iilii— goes wrong suddenly. i mean, is itlit loneliness?— goes wrong suddenly. i mean, is itlit loneliness?.it- goes wrong suddenly. i mean, is it it loneliness? it what it is it loneliness? is it what is it is it loneliness? is it what ieli— it is it loneliness? is it what ieli neon— it is it loneliness? is it what ieli voo- it is it loneliness? is it what is i mean, you know, when is it? i mean, you know, when voe— is it? i mean, you know, when voo-ne nonniei— is it? i mean, you know, when you're married and you've got a nie— you're married and you've got a gin— you're married and you've got a gini oni— you're married and you've got a nice girl and you— you're married and you've got a nice girl and you you're in a ioii— nice girl and you you're in a ion-oni— nice girl and you you're in a ioii-oni voo— nice girl and you you're in a fall-and you talk- nice girl and you you're in a fall and you talk about fall out and you talk about iovvven— fall out and you talk about iovvvene oni— fall out and you talk about lawyers and the lawyers bills oni— lawyers and the lawyers bills and whatever— lawyers and the lawyers bills and whatever ,_ lawyers and the lawyers bills and whatever , everything comes and whatever, everything comes ioniiing— and whatever, everything comes ioniiing-ioi- and whatever, everything comes tumbling and whatever, everything comes- tumbling-but sometimes you tumbling down. but sometimes you go through phases. you can't win everything. on top everything. you can't be on top all time . you've got to take all the time. you've got to take the the smooth. no the rough with the smooth. no no. but you're up. was a lot ionnen— no. but you're up. was a lot ionnen oi— no. but you're up. was a lot further up than— but you're up. was a lot further up than most human ieinge— further up than most human ieinge . — further up than most human ieinge. lvvoe— further up than most human beings. .was. but- further up than most human beings . ”i126. further up than most human- beings . .was. but my feet was beings. it was. but my feet was always down on the ground. it could be up as high as it wants to but my feet were down on to get, but my feet were down on the all the time. keep on the ground all the time. keep on the ground all the time. keep on the level you want it all. you know, sort of. kind of- . you know, sort of. kind of falls to iin— know, sort of. kind of falls to iiie in— know, sort of. kind of falls to iiie in zoos— know, sort of. kind of falls to bits in 2003 and— know, sort of. kind of falls to bits in 2003 and everything you do, voo— bits in 2003 and everything you do, voo go— bits in 2003 and everything you do, you go through some sort of one— do, you go through some sort of iiie inonno— do, you go through some sort of like drama. nana— do, you go through some sort of like drama. nana the worst thing is like drama. nana the worst thing ie-voo— like drama. nana the worst thing ie-voo go— like drama. nana the worst thing ie-voo go-o- is when you go through a nonniiie— is when you go through a horrible period. yeah, yeah. voon— horrible period. yeah, yeah. your—taken! horrible period. yeah, yeah.| your—taken off horrible period. yeah, yeah. - your—taken off to your section you're taken off to win— your section you're taken off to win oie— your section you're taken off to with maize -the- your section you're taken off to with maize the rest of with maize and all the rest of it. with maize and all the rest of in-ie— with maize and all the rest of in-ie nonn- with maize and all the rest of it. is, frank bruno, the it. trouble is, frank bruno, the nnoie— it. trouble is, frank bruno, the vvnoie vvonii— it. trouble is, frank bruno, the whole world is— it. trouble is, frank bruno, the whole world is looking, isn't iii — whole world is looking, isn't iii voon.— whole world is looking, isn't it? yeah, no— whole world is looking, isn't it? yeah, no problem. i'm not different anybody else. no, different than anybody else. no, but difference. yeah. dig but the difference. yeah. dig in. dig in.— but the difference. yeah. dig in. dig in. no,— but the difference. yeah. dig in. dig in. no, the— 2 ”fireman: yeah. dig in. dig in. no, the difference is in. dig in. no, the difference ie .— in. dig in. no, the difference ie . ine— in. dig in. no, the difference is . the difference is everyone is. the difference is everyone noe— is. the difference is everyone in oie— is. the difference is everyone

in oie oni— is. the difference is everyone has ups and downs. yeah, and bad nnee— has ups and downs. yeah, and bad iinee oni— has ups and downs. yeah, and bad times and things— has ups and downs. yeah, and bad times and things in— has ups and downs. yeah, and bad times and things in life. has ups and downs. yeah, and bad times and things in life . they'd times and things in life. they'd noinen— times and things in life. they'd noinen oiien-i— times and things in life. they'd rather didn't happen, but you're at rather didn't happen, but you're oi inn— rather didn't happen, but you're oi inie ievei— rather didn't happen, but you're at this level of— rather didn't happen, but you're at this level of fame . yeah. at this level of fame. yeah. vvnene— at this level of fame. yeah. vvnene inn— at this level of fame. yeah. where this whole bad time? yeah. neoiiv— where this whole bad time? yeah. neoiiv ioi— where this whole bad time? yeah. really bad time— where this whole bad time? yeah. really bad time that you're going— really bad time that you're going innoogn— really bad time that you're going through and, you know, the sun going through and, you know, the vvniiing— going through and, you know, the sun are writing big— going through and, you know, the sun are writing big front page neoiiinee— sun are writing big front page headlines that— sun are writing big front page headlines that arnie that really are headlines that arnie that really neoiiv— headlines that arnie that really are really aren't— headlines that arnie that really are really aren't very nice . are really aren't very nice. wooi— are really aren't very nice. vinoi poni— are really aren't very nice. what part life— are really aren't very nice. what part life you- are really aren't very nice. what part life you got- are really aren't very nice. what part life you got the rough with the smooth you got . with the smooth you got. sometimes in life you can't expect everything to go hunky dory . sometimes you've got to go dory. sometimes you've got to go for the rough to appreciate the smooth. so yes, no problem at all. a lot of people , a lot of all. a lot of people, a lot of enonenen— all. a lot of people, a lot of eponenen o— all. a lot of people, a lot of sportsmen, a lot— all. a lot of people, a lot of sportsmen, a lot of- a lot of people, a lot of sportsmen, a lot of actors eeei— sportsmen, a lot of actors eeei ine— sportsmen, a lot of actors resent the press. i don't resent ine— resent the press. i don't resent ine nneee — resent the press. i don't resent the press. they're— resent the press. i don't resent the press. "ign ”it; ”it; the press. they're they're they're there to help you get where you want to get. so you can't really knock them when they find faults in you because you won't be writing , not taking you won't be writing, not taking the rough with the you the rough with the smooth. you can't bigheaded. and yes. so can't be bigheaded. and yes. so you mean they kind of . so you mean they kind of built you up you mean they kind of built you oiliegin— you mean they kind of built you oiliegin vviine— you mean they kind of built you up .begin with? in _ you mean they kind of built you up begin with? in a way they up to begin with? in a way they ioiii— up to begin with? in a way they ioiii voo— up to begin with? in a way they ioiii voo oi— up to begin with? in a way they ioiii voo oi io— up to begin with? in a way they built you up to knock you down. inn-e.— built you up to knock you down. iioie-vvnoi— built you up to knock you down. that's-what the- built you up to knock you down. that's. -what the british i that's. that's what the british

press do to everybody. press always do to everybody. yeah, they're good doing yeah, they're good at doing that. but i can't really that. yeah, but i can't really claim famous. they claim they made me famous. they made of money. so i'm made me a lot of money. so i'm not grumbling about that. not really grumbling about that. you you, you get you know, sometimes you, you get a bit dodgy when they get involved your private involved in your private life, but to the rough but you've got to take the rough with smooth man. can't with the smooth man. you can't get paid, well looked after get well paid, well looked after and your all the and shouting your name all the time without stick. time without taking some stick. yeah, some stick. but frank, nnoi— yeah, some stick. but frank, vvnoi vove— yeah, some stick. but frank, what you've done.- “415?" iii: but frank, what you've done. yeah i'll “415?" {

difficult. yeah. and a sense of enone— difficult. yeah. and a sense of enone .— difficult. yeah. and a sense of enone . ani— difficult. yeah. and a sense of shame . and no,— difficult. yeah. and a sense of shame . and no, i— difficult. yeah. and a sense of shame . and no, i agree with you. shame. and no, i agree with you. i shame. and no, i agree with you. i oieoioieiv— shame. and no, i agree with you. i absolutely agree— shame. and no, i agree with you. i absolutely agree with you. but nnoi— i absolutely agree with you. but vvnoi vove— i absolutely agree with you. but what you've done— i absolutely agree with you. but what you've done and maybe you oiien-i— what you've done and maybe you iiin-i nove— what you've done and maybe you didn't have much— what you've done and maybe you didn't have much choice being as ioe— didn't have much choice being as ioe oe voo— didn't have much choice being as famous as you were,— didn't have much choice being as famous as you were, but, you know.— famous as you were, but, you know. ioi— famous as you were, but, you know. ioi voo— famous as you were, but, you know. but you could have just niiien— know. but you could have just niiien ovvov— know. but you could have just hidden away for— know. but you could have just hidden away for the rest of your iiie. — hidden away for the rest of your iiie. -noven-i— hidden away for the rest of your life. -haven't done- hidden away for the rest of your life. haven't done that. life. but you haven't done that. voo— life. but you haven't done that. voo-eone— life. but you haven't done that. you-done that. - life. but you haven't done that. you done that. you've you haven't done that. you've eoninoniei— you haven't done that. you've confronted public. confronted this in public. vove— confronted this in public. you've talked— confronted this in public. you've talked about and you've talked about this. and for you've talked about this. and ion nnoi— you've talked about this. and ion vvnoi i— you've talked about this. and for what i can— you've talked about this. and for what i can see, you've tried to for what i can see, you've tried io ionn— for what i can see, you've tried io ionn voon— for what i can see, you've tried to turn your problems around no— to turn your problems around inio ieing— to turn your problems around inio ieing o— to turn your problems around into being a positive with , you into being a positive with, you know,— into being a positive with, you know, ine— into being a positive with, you know, the frank— into being a positive with, you know, the frank bruno foundation and know, the frank bruno foundation oni ine— know, the frank bruno foundation oni ine nonn— know, the frank bruno foundation and the work that— know, the frank bruno foundation and the work that you have tried to and the work that you have tried io io— and the work that you have tried io do one— and the work that you have tried to do and explain— and the work that you have tried to do and explain to us, what voo— to do and explain to us, what voo ooinge— to do and explain to us, what are you doing? what are you inving— are you doing? what are you inving io— are you doing? what are you inving io io— are you doing? what are you trying to do with— are you doing? what are you trying to do with the frank inono— trying to do with the frank bruno foundation, the foundation is bruno foundation, the foundation ie oi— bruno foundation, the foundation ie oi oni— bruno foundation, the foundation ie oi on going— bruno foundation, the foundation is up and going and the people to is up and going and the people io io— is up and going and the people io io o— is up and going and the people io io o 12,— is up and going and the people io io o 12, o— is up and going and the people to do a 12, a 12— is up and going and the people to do a 12, a 12 week course inoi— to do a 12, a 12 week course no inev— to do a 12, a 12 week course no inev oe— to do a 12, a 12 week course that they are learning about nenioi— that they are learning about mental health,— that they are learning about mental health, learning about ineneeivee— mental health, learning about themselves, because most of the neoiie— themselves, because most of the neoiie nnoi— themselves, because most of the people what we're— themselves, because most of the people what we're dealing with oin-i— people what we're dealing with oin-i ieen— people what we're dealing with oin-i ieen oi— people what we're dealing with ain't been at the— people what we're dealing with ain't been at the house in 12 nonine. — ain't been at the house in 12 months. they've- ain't been at the house in 12 months. "ign neg neg months. they've been very, very scared, very nervous and scared, very, very nervous and coming out and there's all different things. schizophrenia bipolar, all different things out there. what people are

suffering from . so what's the suffering from. so what's the nevi— suffering from. so what's the nevi iig— suffering from. so what's the nevi iig pion— suffering from. so what's the next big plan for— suffering from. so what's the next big plan for you?- g so what's the next big plan for you? you can't go ioen— next big plan for you? you can't go ioen io— next big plan for you? you can't go back to boxing. /1::.. if?" . next big plan for you? you can't go back to boxing. 14s».. f 1“ . igs» go back to boxing. you can't go ioen— go back to boxing. you can't go back to boxing. i've got a book coming out at the moment, so i'm trying to sell that. but it's ducking and diving each day. go to the gym, try and look after yourself and thank god when you get and say, this is get out and you say, this is 60 years, years, yeah , 60 years years, 60 years, yeah, 60 years of fight, 60 years of fighter ducker and diver. of fight, 60 years of fighter ducker and diver . you're not far ducker and diver. you're not far behind you not? yeah. behind me, are you not? yeah. you're in front of me. no, i'm just you're in front of me. no, i'm ioei ienini— you're in front of me. no, i'm just behind you. _ you're in front of me. no, i'm just behind you. i'm- 14s». ”is; 1“ no, i'm just behind you. i'm just behind voo.— just behind you. i'm just behind voo. eo— just behind you. i'm just behind voo. eo on— just behind you. i'm just behind voo. no on eo— just behind you. i'm just behind you. 60 or 60 years. a fighter. ine— you. 60 or 60 years. a fighter. ine iooo— you. 60 or 60 years. a fighter. ine ioon oii— you. 60 or 60 years. a fighter. the book all about frank bruno's iiie. — the book all about frank bruno's iiie. nignin— the book all about frank bruno's iiie. nignie ie— the book all about frank bruno's life. right? is it— the book all about frank bruno's life. right? is it all— the book all about frank bruno's life. right? is it all true? iioei— life. right? is it all true? iioei oi— life. right? is it all true? most of it's— life. right? is it all true? most of it's true. . most of it's true. it's true. wen, — most of it's true. it's true. wen, nonn— most of it's true. it's true. well, frank, bruno- most of it's true. it's true. well, frank, bruno ,- most of it's true. . well, frank, bruno , all i can well, frank, bruno, all i can say— well, frank, bruno, all i can eov ie— well, frank, bruno, all i can eov ie nnoi— well, frank, bruno, all i can say is what an— well, frank, bruno, all i can say is what an absolute pleasure it say is what an absolute pleasure ii ie. — say is what an absolute pleasure ii ie. one— say is what an absolute pleasure ii ie. one voo— say is what an absolute pleasure it is. and you know— say is what an absolute pleasure it is. and you know what you ioogni— it is. and you know what you ioogni o— it is. and you know what you ioogni o ioi— it is. and you know what you bought a lot of— it is. and you know what you bought a lot of joy , a lot of bought a lot of joy, a lot of ioognien— bought a lot of joy, a lot of ioognien io— bought a lot of joy, a lot of laughter to a— bought a lot of joy, a lot of laughter to a lot- bought a lot of joy, a lot of laughter to a lot of people . you laughter to a lot of people. you know— laughter to a lot of people. you know nnoie— laughter to a lot of people. you know what? you— laughter to a lot of people. you know what? you know what i mean? i know what? you know what i mean? i neod— know what? you know what i mean? i neoi i— know what? you know what i mean? i neoi i ininn— know what? you know what i mean? i read i think about— know what? you know what i mean? i read i think about it— know what? you know what i mean? i read i think about it. know what? you know what i mean? i read i think about it . thank i read i think about it. thank you— i read i think about it. thank voo ion— i read i think about it. thank voo ionioining— i read i think about it. thank you forjoining me. you for joining me. thank you. wooi— you for joining me. thank you. won o— you for joining me. thank you. what a pleasure. cheers. respect, boss. cheers well, that

laugh, it just had to be frank bruno, didn't it? and what an oieoioieiv— bruno, didn't it? and what an absolutely delightful- 2 2 1“ . .7’ and what an absolutely delightful man. i neoiiv— absolutely delightful man. i neoiiv oe— absolutely delightful man. i really was thrilled to meet him. iooo— really was thrilled to meet him. iook oi— really was thrilled to meet him. iook oi ine— really was thrilled to meet him. look at the full— really was thrilled to meet him. look at the full interview. it's oiooi— look at the full interview. it's oiooi ioii— look at the full interview. it's about half an— look at the full interview. it's about half an hour on gb news iii.— about half an hour on gb news on now— about half an hour on gb news on now vveve— about half an hour on gb news .uk. now we've got a couple of ionnogee— .uk. now we've got a couple of ionnogee. i— .uk. now we've got a couple of barrages. i have— .uk. now we've got a couple of barrages. i have got for me this evening. — barrages. i have got for me this evening. nei— barrages. i have got for me this evening. neil from _ barrages. i have got for me this evening. neil from aberdeen . js» evening. neil from aberdeen. do you evening. neil from aberdeen. do voo nie— evening. neil from aberdeen. do voo noie ionoio— evening. neil from aberdeen. do you rate donald trump's- evening. neil from aberdeen. do you rate donald trump's chances in 2024 and how crucial do you feel it is to for the western world moving forward? i rate donald trump's chances really quite highly. i mean, certainly in ienne— quite highly. i mean, certainly in ienne oi— quite highly. i mean, certainly in terms of the— quite highly. i mean, certainly in terms of the of— quite highly. i mean, certainly in terms of the of the- in terms of the of the republican- in terms of the of the republican nomination, as far as i'm republican nomination, as far as in eoneennei— republican nomination, as far as i'm concerned, that— republican nomination, as far as i'm concerned, that is over. he vviii— i'm concerned, that is over. he vviii oin— i'm concerned, that is over. he vviii vvin ii— i'm concerned, that is over. he vviii vvin ii .— i'm concerned, that is over. he will win it. now,— i'm concerned, that is over. he will win it. now, can he beat sieeiv— will win it. now, can he beat sieeiv ioe— will win it. now, can he beat sieeiv ioe on— will win it. now, can he beat sleepy joe or could it be kamala nonniee— sleepy joe or could it be kamala nonniee vino— sleepy joe or could it be kamala harris? who knows— sleepy joe or could it be kamala harris? who knows ? i actually harris? who knows? i actually ieiieve— harris? who knows? i actually ieiieve now— harris? who knows? i actually believe now trump has got a ieiien— believe now trump has got a ieiien inon— believe now trump has got a better than 50%_ believe now trump has got a better than 50% chance of winning— better than 50% chance of winning ine— better than 50% chance of winning the presidential eieeiion— winning the presidential election in— winning the presidential election in november next year. i election in november next year. iioei— election in november next year. iioei ininn— election in november next year. iioei inink ne— election in november next year. i just think he needs to turn onooni— i just think he needs to turn around some— i just think he needs to turn around some of— i just think he needs to turn around some of the looking back at around some of the looking back oi ine— around some of the looking back oi ine ioei— around some of the looking back at the last election— around some of the looking back at the last election into neniniing— at the last election into reminding people what a great eononv— reminding people what a great eononv ne— reminding people what a great economy he built, what a good ioneign— economy he built, what a good ioneign ieiiev— economy he built, what a good foreign policy he—

economy he built, what a good foreign policy he had. he needs to foreign policy he had. he needs io gei— foreign policy he had. he needs io gei on— foreign policy he had. he needs io gei on ine— foreign policy he had. he needs to get on the really strong, ioeiiive— to get on the really strong, positive front— to get on the really strong, positive front foot. how he can none— positive front foot. how he can none ieoiie-e— positive front foot. how he can make people's lives better and none— make people's lives better and none inen— make people's lives better and make them richer— make people's lives better and make them richer. and if he does iioo— make them richer. and if he does on... ie— make them richer. and if he does on... ne vviii— make them richer. and if he does that, he will win.— make them richer. and if he does that, he will win. i— make them richer. and if he does that, he will win. i have no iooii— that, he will win. i have no doubt about— that, he will win. i have no doubt about it.— that, he will win. i have no doubt about it. and it's iniononi— doubt about it. and it's important for- doubt about it. and it's important for the western world is important for the western world ie noge. — important for the western world is huge. america— important for the western world is huge. america is going down the is huge. america is going down ine ioiee— is huge. america is going down ine ioiee in— is huge. america is going down the tubes in many— is huge. america is going down the tubes in many ways. and if anenieo— the tubes in many ways. and if america falls,— the tubes in many ways. and if america falls, we— the tubes in many ways. and if america falls, we all fall . america falls, we all fall. iei-e— america falls, we all fall. iei-e — america falls, we all fall. let's move on— america falls, we all fall. let's move on to jonathan from ioeiioonne— let's move on to jonathan from ioeiioonne. — let's move on to jonathan from eastbourne . hi,— let's move on to jonathan from eastbourne . \» igs;. . eastbourne. hi, nigel, it's jonathan from eastbourne here with a video barrage for you. like you , it's my birthday in like you, it's my birthday in april and my wife very generously , she got me this generously, she got me this talking points glass acas. i was just wondering, what's the most unusual birthday present you've ever had ? cheers . john i'm very, ever had? cheers. john i'm very, very pleased that— ever had? cheers. john i'm very, very pleased that you've- e27 c"»s;»s;”5 js»” i'm very, very pleased that you've got venv— very pleased that you've got venv iieoeei— very pleased that you've got very pleased that you've got very pleased that you've got a gb very pleased that you've got a on newe— very pleased that you've got a gb news mark— very pleased that you've got a gb news mark to— very pleased that you've got a gb news mark to drink a pint on voon— gb news mark to drink a pint on voon iiniiov— gb news mark to drink a pint on your birthday. the— gb news mark to drink a pint on your birthday. the most unusual iinniov— your birthday. the most unusual birthday present— your birthday. the most unusual birthday present i've ever been given— birthday present i've ever been given .— birthday present i've ever been given . on— birthday present i've ever been given . on i— birthday present i've ever been given . oh, i think— birthday present i've ever been given . oh, i think a surprise given. oh, i think a surprise party-— given. oh, i think a surprise eonv. vvnen— given. oh, i think a surprise eonv. vvnen i— given. oh, i think a surprise party. when i was 55, i didn't know— party. when i was 55, i didn't know ii— party. when i was 55, i didn't know ii oe— party. when i was 55, i didn't know it was going to happen and

it know it was going to happen and ii iii.— know it was going to happen and ii iii. so— know it was going to happen and it did. so there— know it was going to happen and it did. so there we— know it was going to happen and it did. so there we are. enough inn— it did. so there we are. enough inon ne— it did. so there we are. enough inon ne .— it did. so there we are. enough from me . jacob— it did. so there we are. enough from me . jacob rees—mogg joins from me. jacob rees—mogg joins ioeoi— from me. jacob rees—mogg joins voeoi vvnoi— from me. jacob rees—mogg joins me. jacob what have you got eoning— me. jacob what have you got eonning oi— me. jacob what have you got eonning oi inn— me. jacob what have you got coming up this evening? �*ivis;.. coming up this evening? well, going— coming up this evening? well, going in— coming up this evening? well, we're going to start— coming up this evening? well, we're going to start off discussing the news in the telegraph that the retained eu law bill, which is getting rid of 4000 eu laws, may not be everything it seems, but everything that it seems, but you this was all going you told me this was all going to and was all looking to happen and it was all looking good. well, i thought was, good. well, i thought it was, but apparently house of but apparently the house of lords it. not that lords doesn't like it. not that i commons should i think the commons should give in lords. this been in to the lords. this has been validated by referendum, validated by referendum, validated by referendum, validated by a general election validated by referendum, validatta by a general election validated by referendum, validatta fewa general election validated by referendum, validatta few aged aral election validated by referendum, validatta few aged remainersin validated by referendum, validatta few aged remainers in an and a few aged remainers in the house of lords oughtn't be able to it. so why is the able to stop it. so why is the govennneni— able to stop it. so why is the government-down. able to stop it. so why is the. government-down then? government backing down then? vveii— government backing down then? vveii i— government backing down then? vveii i eonnee— government backing down then? well i suppose there's a lot of ioeineee— well i suppose there's a lot of business-the— well i suppose there's a lot of business-the-of- well i suppose there's a lot of business the of lords. business in the house of lords. it business in the house of lords. ii-iinne— business in the house of lords. ii-iinne ono— business in the house of lords. it-time and there's- it takes time and there's a worry that it will take too much time. i'm all for ploughing on, as might expect . i time. i'm all for ploughing on, as might expect. i think as you might expect. i think we've deliver this we've got to deliver this. this is getting of those mad is getting rid of those mad eu rules we to mock for rules that we used to mock for the part of 50 years that the best part of 50 years that are stuck on our statute are still stuck on our statute book and needs go , oh, you book and needs to go, oh, you see, folks don't jacob see, folks, i don't doubt jacob rees—mogg since verity for one moment, but when it comes to

most of the leadership, the conservative party, i doubt it hugely. well, conservative party, i doubt it hugely . well, that's it from me. hugely. well, that's it from me. be hugely. well, that's it from me. ie ioen— hugely. well, that's it from me. ie ioen vviin— hugely. well, that's it from me. be back with you— g well, that's it from me. be back with you next week. but ieione— be back with you next week. but ieione oii— be back with you next week. but ieione oii oi— be back with you next week. but before all of that,— be back with you next week. but before all of that, i'll have a iei— before all of that, i'll have a iei on— before all of that, i'll have a iei on ine— before all of that, i'll have a bet on the weather that the ainii— bet on the weather that the april showers— bet on the weather that the april showers will be continuing . evening.— april showers will be continuing . evening. alex— april showers will be continuing . evening. alex deakin- april showers will be continuing . evening. alex deakin here with your latest weather update. a bit of a wet one out there at the moment and that will lead to a fairly dull start tomorrow. but up as we go but it should cheer up as we go through the day and for many it will start to feel quite a bit warmer. but right now we've got a couple of low a couple of areas of low pressure, a big one out in the atlantic driving this smaller one country. it's one across the country. it's been providing outbreaks of rain for that been providing outbreaks of rain for becoming that been providing outbreaks of rain for becoming more that been providing outbreaks of rain for becoming more extensive at rain becoming more extensive through the evening, spreading into england. southern into northern england. southern scotland turning a little drier, perhaps across southernmost counties england . but for counties of england. but for most it's a pretty damp night, a cloudy night, a breezy night in places, but it won't be as cold as recent nights. temperatures mostly up at 6 or 7 and mostly holding up at 6 or 7 and double figures across the south onto friday. and it does start pretty dull and for many pretty

damp. but generally dry conditions across the south. and it should cheer up , should get it should cheer up, should get a bit brighter through the day, certainly of wales, certainly for parts of wales, south—west england lunchtime south—west england by lunchtime and western scotland, and then western scotland, southern england and eventually parts of the midlands, likely to see some fleeting glimpses of sunshine. eastern areas always staying fairly glum and quite cold. northern ireland brightening up with the potential showers potential for some heavy showers in the south where we could see temperatures 19, maybe temperatures up to 19, maybe even 20 celsius where we get some blue sky. the clouds and the outbreaks of rain will continue to fritter away, away to the east during friday evening . so most places start at evening. so most places start at the weekend dry going to be a bit of a messy one this weekend. there'll be cloud and rain at times for northern ireland. southern scotland on saturday and then some heavy showers breaking out in the afternoon . breaking out in the afternoon. parts of the midlands, parts of wales, the midlands, northern ireland, but mostly dry in northern scotland's, southern and eastern england, largely dry on saturday as well. and again, where we see some sunshine warmer has been 20

warmer than it has been 20 degrees where it stays dull, only 11 12. the mixed picture only 11 or 12. the mixed picture continues through this weekend. warmer than this week. there will be and bright periods, will be dry and bright periods, but there will be some heavy showers goodbye .

good evening. in a moment, headliners that. first, let's bnng headliners that. first, let's bring latest news bring you the latest news headlines. and in sudan, the army paramilitary group the army and paramilitary group the csf have agreed to extend csf have both agreed to extend their ceasefire for a further 72 hours here. the foreign secretary is calling on the two leaders to fully implement the truce and says evacuation flights are still ongoing. british forces have rescued almost 900 people from sudan so far and the government is urging those with british passports and visas to make their way to the airfield as soon as possible . airfield as soon as possible. here, the royal college of