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channel. britain's news. channel good evening. welcome along to channel. britain's news. channel good evening. �*gb come along to channel. britain's news. channel good evening. �*gb come tvng to neil oliver live on gb news tv and on radio. coming up on the show this evening, i'll be joined by andrew bridgen, joined by the mp andrew bridgen, who expelled from the who is expelled from the conservative this week for conservative party this week for his about the covid his remarks about the covid vaccine . and i also have the vaccine. and i also have the amazing privilege of having some of the actual artefacts discovered on the mary rose shipwreck in the studio this evening and all of that, plus plenty of chat with my brilliant panellist, julie cook . plenty of chat with my brilliant panellist, julie cook. but first, update on the latest first, an update on the latest news from smith . thank you, news from rory smith. thank you, neil. the latest— news from rory smith. thank you, neil. the latest from _ news from rory smith. thank you, neil. the latest from the- 1:33 thank you, neil. the latest from the gb news— neil. the latest from the gb news room, the— neil. the latest from the gb news room, the final evacuation flight— news room, the final evacuation flight out— news room, the final evacuation flight out of— news room, the final evacuation flight out of sudan is expected to take— flight out of sudan is expected to take off— flight out of sudan is expected to take off at— flight out of sudan is expected to take off at any— flight out of sudan is expected to take off at any moment. flight out of sudan is expected to take off at any moment . the to take off at any moment. the government— to take off at any moment. the government earlier agreed to ind...— government earlier agreed to inciuie nis— government earlier agreed to include nhs doctors without uk passions— include nhs doctors without uk passions on— include nhs doctors without uk passions on me— include nhs doctors without uk passports on the last flights oui— passports on the last flights oui oi— passports on the last flights oui oi iiie — passports on the last flights out of the country . deputy prime out of the country. deputy prime iiinisiei— out of the country. deputy prime minister oliver— out of the country. deputy prime minister oliver dowden is homing— minister oliver dowden is ioiiing a— minister oliver dowden is holding a cobra meeting in downing— holding a cobra meeting in downing street— holding a cobra meeting in downing street discussing the secuiiiy— downing street discussing the security situation in khartoum .

security situation in khartoum. wei,— security situation in khartoum. weii, ii-s— security situation in khartoum. well, it's understood around ieso— well, it's understood around ieso peopie— well, it's understood around 1650 people have been evacuated imm— 1650 people have been evacuated from sud...— 1650 people have been evacuated from sudan, but— 1650 people have been evacuated from sudan, but thousands more iiiiisii— from sudan, but thousands more british citizens— from sudan, but thousands more british citizens may remain . and british citizens may remain. and the government— british citizens may remain. and the government says it will coniinue— the government says it will coniinue io— the government says it will continue to work to bring an end to continue to work to bring an end io iiie— continue to work to bring an end to the conflict— continue to work to bring an end to the conflict between the army ani— to the conflict between the army and a— to the conflict between the army and a rivai— to the conflict between the army and a rival paramilitar group iiiai— and a rival paramilitar group iiiai has— and a rival paramilitar group that has killed— and a rival paramilitar group that has killed tens of thousands— that has killed tens of thousands of- that has killed tens of thousands of people . great thousands of people. great oimoni— thousands of people. great ormond street— thousands of people. great ormond street hospital has been gianiei— ormond street hospital has been granted exemptions to allow nurses to continue working during— nurses to continue working during iiie— nurses to continue working during the upcoming strike aciion— during the upcoming strike aciion over— during the upcoming strike action over the— during the upcoming strike action over the bank holiday. iiie— action over the bank holiday. the children's— action over the bank holiday. the children's hospital expressed— the children's hospital expressed concerns about siaiiing— expressed concerns about siaiiing as— expressed concerns about staffing as royal college of nursing— staffing as royal college of nursing workers prepare to walk out nursing workers prepare to walk oui from — nursing workers prepare to walk oui from s— nursing workers prepare to walk oui from 8 pm.— nursing workers prepare to walk out from 8 pm. tomorrow until monday— out from 8 pm. tomorrow until monday evening— out from 8 pm. tomorrow until monday evening in their ongoing iispuie— monday evening in their ongoing iispuie over— monday evening in their ongoing iispuie pay.— monday evening in their ongoing dispute over pay. well, it comes as iieaiiii— dispute over pay. well, it comes as health workers— dispute over pay. well, it comes as health workers belonging to the as health workers belonging to iiie eiii— as health workers belonging to the gmb union— as health workers belonging to the gmb union accepted a 5% pay offer— the gmb union accepted a 5% pay offer from— the gmb union accepted a 5% pay offer from me— the gmb union accepted a 5% pay offer from the government yesieiiay.— offer from the government yesterday. union officials will voie— yesterday. union officials will voie io— yesterday. union officials will now vote to accept the offer at a meeiing — now vote to accept the offer at a meeiing oi— now vote to accept the offer at a meeting of the— now vote to accept the offer at a meeting of the nhs staff counci— a meeting of the nhs staff council next— a meeting of the nhs staff council next week . labour is

council next week. labour is promising— council next week. labour is promising io— council next week. labour is promising to invest in more iooonon— promising to invest in more iooonon inno— promising to invest in more teachers who are specialists in non— teachers who are specialists in inoii sung-noi— teachers who are specialists in their subject if— teachers who are specialists in their subject if they win the noxi— their subject if they win the nooi gononi— their subject if they win the next general election. labour onoiyoio— next general election. labour onoiyoio oi— next general election. labour analysis of government figures snow— analysis of government figures snow inorg— analysis of government figures show there are— analysis of government figures show there are gaps in expert iooonoi— show there are gaps in expert teacher roles— show there are gaps in expert teacher roles in— show there are gaps in expert teacher roles in state schools across england.— teacher roles in state schools across england. shadow education soonion— across england. shadow education secretary bridget— across england. shadow education secretary bridget phillipson says— secretary bridget phillipson says sonooio— secretary bridget phillipson says schools are scrambling to fill says schools are scrambling to iiii inooo— says schools are scrambling to fill those places,— says schools are scrambling to fill those places, meaning signings— fill those places, meaning standards are— fill those places, meaning standards are not as high as they— standards are not as high as inoy ononii— standards are not as high as they should be— standards are not as high as they should be for all children. sno— they should be for all children. sno ioii— they should be for all children. sno ioii on— they should be for all children. she told gb news— they should be for all children. she told gb news that under ioioni— she told gb news that under ioioni ,— she told gb news that under ioioni , ino— she told gb news that under labour , the challenges to labour, the challenges to iooonoi— labour, the challenges to teacher recruitment and ioioniion— teacher recruitment and retention will- teacher recruitment and retention will change. oiizr retention will change. over the oi ino— retention will change. over the course of the last decade, the government has presided over a recruitment failure and a real challenge across our schools . so challenge across our schools. so what schools are having to do at the moment when they're scrambling find teachers scrambling to find teachers to cover to call upon cover lessons is to call upon non—specialists deliverthose non—specialists to deliver those lessons because of the massive challenges that we're seeing around teacher recruitment and retention and under labour, that will change. make sure will change. we'll make sure that children have access to that all children have access to specialist provision we specialist provision and that we deliver teachers by ending deliver more teachers by ending those on private those tax breaks on private

schools . and stan refetch bannau schools. and stan refetch bannau on a school is set to take ofsted to court for not following the correct procedures dunng following the correct procedures during a review. the queen emma primary— during a review. the queen emma ninon sonooi— during a review. the queen emma primary school in— i: g ”it; the queen emma primary school in cambridge was ionngnioi— primary school in cambridge was gonngnioi io— primary school in cambridge was downgraded to inadequate , the downgraded to inadequate, the ionooi— downgraded to inadequate, the lowest possible _ downgraded to inadequate, the lowest possible rating while noiiing— lowest possible rating while noiiing noi— lowest possible rating while waiting for the _ lowest possible rating while waiting for the ofsted report to be waiting for the ofsted report to no pniiionoi.— waiting for the ofsted report to be published. headteacher ruth pony— be published. headteacher ruth pony wo— be published. headteacher ruth perry was informed of the result oni— perry was informed of the result and ioon— perry was informed of the result and on noi— perry was informed of the result and took her own— perry was informed of the result and took her own life in a spoon— and took her own life in a speech io— and took her own life in a speech to the— and took her own life in a speech to the national association _ speech to the national association of headteachers. her singi— association of headteachers. her oioioi ,— association of headteachers. her sister , professor— association of headteachers. her sister , professor julia waters , sister, professor julia waters, oonionnoi— sister, professor julia waters, condemned the _ sister, professor julia waters, condemned the watchdog and ooiioi— condemned the watchdog and ooiioi noi— condemned the watchdog and called for ofsted _ condemned the watchdog and called for ofsted inspectors to noni— called for ofsted inspectors to noni in— called for ofsted inspectors to hand in their— called for ofsted inspectors to hand in their badges when three oioioi— hand in their badges when three ofsted inspectors— hand in their badges when three ofsted inspectors pronounced on innin— ofsted inspectors pronounced on nanny flimsy— ofsted inspectors pronounced on frankly flimsy grounds that ruin-o— frankly flimsy grounds that ruth's leadership and therefore her ruth's leadership and therefore no sonooi— ruth's leadership and therefore her school were— ruth's leadership and therefore her school were inadequate at the her school were inadequate at one inoiioo— her school were inadequate at one insiioo oi— her school were inadequate at the justice of that one word inogononi— the justice of that one word judgement that— the justice of that one word judgement that destroyed ruth's career, her world,— judgement that destroyed ruth's career, her world, and her sense of career, her world, and her sense oi ooii. — career, her world, and her sense oi ooii. i— career, her world, and her sense oi ooii. i non-i— career, her world, and her sense of self. i won't give- career, her world, and her sense of self. i won't give up- career, her world, and her sense of self. gin" c g c. c. c of self. i won't give up until ofsted is radically reformed to

place the welfare of teaching staff as well as of children at its heart . three new photographs its heart. three new photographs of its heart. three new photographs oi ino— its heart. three new photographs oi ino king— its heart. three new photographs oi ino ning oni— three new photographs of the king and queen consort nove— of the king and queen consort novo noon— of the king and queen consort have been released ahead of next nos-ks— have been released ahead of next week's coronation.— have been released ahead of next week's coronation. the images ionon— week's coronation. the images ionon in— week's coronation. the images were taken in the— week's coronation. the images were taken in the blue drawing oi— were taken in the blue drawing room at buckingham palace last nonin— room at buckingham palace last nonin. ono— room at buckingham palace last month. one shows— room at buckingham palace last month. one shows the couple signing— month. one shows the couple standing together in front of a nonran— standing together in front of a gonnii oi— standing together in front of a portrait of king— standing together in front of a portrait of king george, the inn— portrait of king george, the iiiin oi— portrait of king george, the fifth, at his— portrait of king george, the fifth, at his coronation in ion.— fifth, at his coronation in ion. ino— fifth, at his coronation in 1911. the queen consort is nearing— 1911. the queen consort is nearing ino— 1911. the queen consort is wearing the late queen's pearl non— wearing the late queen's pearl drop earrings— wearing the late queen's pearl drop earrings and— wearing the late queen's pearl drop earrings and a pearl nooniooo— drop earrings and a pearl necklace from _ drop earrings and a pearl necklace from her private collection _ necklace from her private collection ._ necklace from her private collection . tv— necklace from her private collection . tv online dab+ radio collection. tv online dab+ radio oni— collection. tv online dab+ radio and on— collection. tv online dab+ radio and on inno— collection. tv online dab+ radio and on inns in.— collection. tv online dab+ radio and on tune in. this— collection. tv online dab+ radio and on tune in. this is gb news. now:— and on tune in. this is gb news. non. inongn— and on tune in. this is gb news. now, though, it's— and on tune in. this is gb news. now, though, it's back to . now, though, it's back to. neil i now, though, it's back to. neil l i think— now, though, it's back to. neil l i thinn— now, though, it's back to. neil i i ininn n— now, though, it's back to. neil i i ininn a big— now, though, it's back to. neil - i think, a big step- i think, a big step towards understanding world understanding how the world works comes realising

works today comes with realising that goodies and baddies that the goodies and baddies just what used to be just ain't what they used to be from the godfather movie and michael corleone , we learned michael corleone, we learned that pursuit of is not that the pursuit of power is not personal, strictly personal, that it's strictly business. and from another ino— business. and from another movie, the usual— and from another movie, the usual suspects, we ioonnoi— movie, the usual suspects, we ioonnoi inni— movie, the usual suspects, we learned that to— movie, the usual suspects, we learned that to seize power, you insi— learned that to seize power, you insi nosi— learned that to seize power, you insi noon ino— learned that to seize power, you just need the will— learned that to seize power, you just need the will to do what ino— just need the will to do what tlie-guy— just need the will to do what the guy wouldn't. so the other guy wouldn't. so siss— the other guy wouldn't. so stress tested _ the other guy wouldn't. so stress tested and time hardened are stress tested and time hardened inoso— stress tested and time hardened are these truths— stress tested and time hardened are these truths as— stress tested and time hardened are these truths as little poopin— are these truths as little people no— are these truths as little people are invited to hear them iooionoi— people are invited to hear them declared - screen - people are invited to hear them declared-screen .- people are invited to hear them declared screen . the declared on the screen. the innin— declared on the screen. the inn is— declared on the screen. the inn is so— declared on the screen. the truth is so embedded in our ononoon— truth is so embedded in our everyday reality,— truth is so embedded in our everyday reality, courtesy of noiinnooi— everyday reality, courtesy of hollywood and _ everyday reality, courtesy of hollywood and the rest of the notin— hollywood and the rest of the noon-ioni— hollywood and the rest of the media.-don't care- hollywood and the rest of the media. don't care whether media. they don't care whether we media. they don't care whether no-ii— media. they don't care whether no-ii on— media. they don't care whether no-ii on non.— media. they don't care whether we-it or not. after- media. they don't care whether we it or not. after all, we know it or not. after all, non— we know it or not. after all, nnoi-no— we know it or not. after all, nnoi-no going- we know it or not. after all, what we going to do about it what are we going to do about it all what are we going to do about it oii-iino— what are we going to do about it oii-iino i— what are we going to do about it all-time i hear— what are we going to do about it all time i hear people all the time i hear people sioning— all the time i hear people starting sentences with the words— starting sentences with the nonis inon— starting sentences with the words they can't they won't , words they can't or they won't, oni— words they can't or they won't, and in— words they can't or they won't, and in inni— words they can't or they won't, and in that context they means the and in that context they means no ooonio— and in that context they means no people niin— and in that context they means the people with power. those nnonoonning— the people with power. those manoeuvring to _ the people with power. those manoeuvring to increase and oonsoiiioio— manoeuvring to increase and consolidate that— manoeuvring to increase and consolidate that power. i always reply— consolidate that power. i always reply inoy— consolidate that power. i always nopn inoy con— consolidate that power. i always reply they can and— consolidate that power. i always reply they can and because they can: — reply they can and because they can, sooner or later— reply they can and because they can, sooner or later they will. i can, sooner or later they will. i noniionoi— can, sooner or later they will. i mentioned the— can, sooner or later they will. i mentioned the godfather, the onio— i mentioned the godfather, the onio oioni— i mentioned the godfather, the epic about organised crime . it's epic about organised crime. it's my epic about organised crime. it's no ioiioi— epic about organised crime. it's my ioiioi inni— epic about organised crime. it's my belief that sometime in the insi— my belief that sometime in the iosi ooninn— my belief that sometime in the last century government and insinoss— last century government and insinoss goi— last century government and business got into bed with ongonisoi— business got into bed with organised crime, which is to say

niin— organised crime, which is to say niin inoso— organised crime, which is to say with those with— organised crime, which is to say with those with the will to do nnoi— with those with the will to do win no — with those with the will to do what the other— with those with the will to do what the other guy wouldn't. i ininn— what the other guy wouldn't. i ininn inn— what the other guy wouldn't. i think that alliance has made all the difference— think that alliance has made all the difference and— think that alliance has made all the difference and it's why i ion-i— the difference and it's why i don't believe _ the difference and it's why i don't believe the running of the noni— don't believe the running of the non is— don't believe the running of the non is on— don't believe the running of the world is any longer about the sono-gooiios— world is any longer about the same goodies and baddies for same old goodies and baddies for inoso— same old goodies and baddies for inoso niin— same old goodies and baddies for those with power,— same old goodies and baddies for those with power, it's strictly insinoss — those with power, it's strictly business. it's— those with power, it's strictly business. it's for— those with power, it's strictly business. it's for those who noni— business. it's for those who noni io — business. it's for those who want to hold _ business. it's for those who want to hold on— business. it's for those who want to hold on to that power by ii-s— want to hold on to that power by ii-s oiso— want to hold on to that power by now. it's also about— now. it's also about self—preservation . last week, self—preservation. last week, ino— self—preservation. last week, ino-nos— self—preservation. last week, the was dominated by civil the news was dominated by civil war the news was dominated by civil nonlsnion— the news was dominated by civil nonlsnion .— the news was dominated by civil warlsudan . i'd— the news was dominated by civil war sudan . i'd been waiting war in sudan. i'd been waiting for war in sudan. i'd been waiting ion ino— war in sudan. i'd been waiting ion ino noxi— war in sudan. i'd been waiting for the next distraction . even for the next distraction. even oiion— for the next distraction. even oiion conn— for the next distraction. even after covm and— for the next distraction. even after covid and climate crisis oni— after covid and climate crisis and nn— after covid and climate crisis and in— after covid and climate crisis and war in ukraine and there it insi— and war in ukraine and there it insi os— and war in ukraine and there it was. just as with— and war in ukraine and there it was. just as with ukraine, when the was. just as with ukraine, when ino nons— was. just as with ukraine, when the news broke— was. just as with ukraine, when the news broke about sudan , i the news broke about sudan, i noi— the news broke about sudan, i not io— the news broke about sudan, i not io ioon— the news broke about sudan, i had to look at— the news broke about sudan, i had to look at a— the news broke about sudan, i had to look at a map to remind nnsoii— had to look at a map to remind nysoii ooooiin— had to look at a map to remind myself exactly where it was. is— myself exactly where it was. its sins— myself exactly where it was. its siis on — myself exactly where it was. it's sits on the— myself exactly where it was. it's sits on the red sea on egypt's— it's sits on the red sea on egypt's southern border. as nsnoi— egypt's southern border. as nsnoi ,— egypt's southern border. as nsnoi . ii— egypt's southern border. as usual , it turns— egypt's southern border. as usual, it turns out egypt's southern border. as usual , it turns out geography usual, it turns out geography noiions— usual, it turns out geography noiions .— usual, it turns out geography matters . sudan— usual, it turns out geography matters . sudan recently matters. sudan recently concluded _ matters. sudan recently concluded a _ matters. sudan recently concluded a deal to let russia inso— concluded a deal to let russia base warships,— concluded a deal to let russia base warships, including nuclear nonsnins— base warships, including nuclear nonsnins in— base warships, including nuclear nonsnins in o— base warships, including nuclear warships, in a port— base warships, including nuclear warships, in a port on the red son.— warships, in a port on the red soo. nonn— warships, in a port on the red sea. warm water— warships, in a port on the red sea. warm water ports have been part— sea. warm water ports have been non oi— sea. warm water ports have been non oi ino— sea. warm water ports have been part of the russian— sea. warm water ports have been part of the russian dream for nnninois— part of the russian dream for nnninois oi— part of the russian dream for hundreds of years. the united sinos— hundreds of years. the united sioios ion-i— hundreds of years. the united states don't like— hundreds of years. the united states don't like the idea of ionssio— states don't like the idea of ionssio in— states don't like the idea of russia in sudan— states don't like the idea of russia in sudan . not one little

russia in sudan. not one little iii.— russia in sudan. not one little iii. inis— russia in sudan. not one little bit. this week,— russia in sudan. not one little bit. this week, online news ononnoi— bit. this week, online news channel redact— bit. this week, online news channel redact reported on ooni— channel redact reported on recent events— channel redact reported on recent events there. in august insi— recent events there. in august iosi noon— recent events there. in august iosi noon .— recent events there. in august last year , while— recent events there. in august last year , while the deal was last year, while the deal was inning.— last year, while the deal was inoning ino— last year, while the deal was brewing, the us— last year, while the deal was brewing, the us appointed an oniossoion— brewing, the us appointed an ambassador to _ brewing, the us appointed an ambassador to sudan for the insi— ambassador to sudan for the iinsiiino— ambassador to sudan for the first time in— ambassador to sudan for the first time in a— ambassador to sudan for the first time in a quarter of a ooninnn— first time in a quarter of a ooninnn ino— first time in a quarter of a century. the following month inan— century. the following month that ambassador warned sudan not to that ambassador warned sudan not io iinoiiso— that ambassador warned sudan not io iinoiiso ony— that ambassador warned sudan not to finalise any deal— that ambassador warned sudan not to finalise any deal with russia.— to finalise any deal with ionssio. in— to finalise any deal with russia. in november , us russia. in november, us soonoionn— russia. in november, us soonoionn oi— russia. in november, us secretary of state antony niinnon— secretary of state antony blinken urged— secretary of state antony blinken urged sudan to consider . gnoio— blinken urged sudan to consider . gnoio. ns— blinken urged sudan to consider , quote, us support for the noon— , quote, us support for the rapid formation— , quote, us support for the rapid formation of a civilian iot— rapid formation of a civilian led transitional— rapid formation of a civilian led transitional government, oioso— led transitional government, oioso gnoio— led transitional government, close quote. in— led transitional government, close quote. in december , the us close quote. in december, the us inononoi— close quote. in december, the us inononoi nnoi— close quote. in december, the us brokered what they— close quote. in december, the us brokered what they like to call a brokered what they like to call o inonononn— brokered what they like to call a framework agreement between snion-s— a framework agreement between sudan's military— a framework agreement between sudan's military leaders and pro—democracy— sudan's military leaders and pro—democracy parties in noinnonn— pro—democracy parties in february, suzanne, sudan went onooi— february, suzanne, sudan went onooi niin— february, suzanne, sudan went ahead with the— february, suzanne, sudan went ahead with the deal with russia ahead with the deal with russia oion— ahead with the deal with russia o ion ions— ahead with the deal with russia a few days later,— ahead with the deal with russia a few days later, the biden administration— a few days later, the biden administration sent $200 million in humanitarian— administration sent $200 million in humanitarian aid to sudan . in humanitarian aid to sudan. ani— in humanitarian aid to sudan. and in— in humanitarian aid to sudan. and in nonn— in humanitarian aid to sudan. and in march, victoria nuland nisiioi— and in march, victoria nuland visited sudan— and in march, victoria nuland visited sudan to— and in march, victoria nuland visited sudan to discuss ionoonoon— visited sudan to discuss democracy by- visited sudan to discuss democracy by this month, ooniiioi— democracy by this month, conflict had _ democracy by this month, conflict had escalated between snionoso— conflict had escalated between sudanese armed— conflict had escalated between sudanese armed forces and a inoononon— sudanese armed forces and a breakaway paramilitary group . breakaway paramilitary group. nosi— breakaway paramilitary group. iosinoon.— breakaway paramilitary group. last week, the _ breakaway paramilitary group. last week, the us began

onoonoiing— last week, the us began evacuating ,_ last week, the us began evacuating , putting its people evacuating, putting its people vioion— evacuating, putting its people vioion noo— evacuating, putting its people victor gao to— evacuating, putting its people victor gao to nuland is us undersecretary— victor gao to nuland is us undersecretary of state for poiiiiooi— undersecretary of state for political affairs. the same vioionio— political affairs. the same victoria nuland, who in february zoni— victoria nuland, who in february 20g. nniio— victoria nuland, who in february 2014, while frustrated by eu nosiionon— 2014, while frustrated by eu hesitancy about— 2014, while frustrated by eu hesitancy about opposing putin, soni— hesitancy about opposing putin, said i— hesitancy about opposing putin, soii ii ino— hesitancy about opposing putin, said if the eu— hesitancy about opposing putin, said if the eu accept she used ino— said if the eu accept she used no nnoio— said if the eu accept she used the whole word.— said if the eu accept she used the whole word. while on the nnono— the whole word. while on the nnono io— the whole word. while on the phone io ns— the whole word. while on the phone to us ambassador to unoino— phone to us ambassador to ukraine geoffrey pyatt, a call inn— ukraine geoffrey pyatt, a call no os— ukraine geoffrey pyatt, a call that was recorded and leaked, nniono— that was recorded and leaked, nuland later— that was recorded and leaked, nuland later apologised sized nniono-s— nuland later apologised sized nuland's faux_ nuland later apologised sized nuland's faux pas came during the nuland's faux pas came during ino ioiniio— nuland's faux pas came during the febrile time— nuland's faux pas came during the febrile time that followed unoino-s— the febrile time that followed ukraine's then— the febrile time that followed ukraine's then president, viktor nonnnonon-s— ukraine's then president, viktor yanukovych's ill— ukraine's then president, viktor yanukovych's ill fated attempts to yanukovych's ill fated attempts io noon— yanukovych's ill fated attempts io noon on— yanukovych's ill fated attempts to keep on side— yanukovych's ill fated attempts to keep on side with both nosningion— to keep on side with both washington and moscow to ride two washington and moscow to ride ino nosos— washington and moscow to ride two horses with— washington and moscow to ride two horses with just one bottom. he two horses with just one bottom. no nos— two horses with just one bottom. to ionnioo— two horses with just one bottom. he was tempted by— two horses with just one bottom. he was tempted by nato and eu nonionsnin.— he was tempted by nato and eu membership, but— he was tempted by nato and eu membership, but in the end, innin— membership, but in the end, iniin in— membership, but in the end, iniin in ino— membership, but in the end, putin, in the manner of the aforementioned— putin, in the manner of the aforementioned godfather , rather aforementioned godfather, rather oniooniin— aforementioned godfather, rather evidently made _ aforementioned godfather, rather evidently made him an offer he sonion-i— evidently made him an offer he couldn't refuse.— evidently made him an offer he couldn't refuse. and so all the way— couldn't refuse. and so all the non noon— couldn't refuse. and so all the no book in— couldn't refuse. and so all the way back in 2014,— couldn't refuse. and so all the way back in 2014, the fuse was lit way back in 2014, the fuse was iii ion— way back in 2014, the fuse was iii ion — way back in 2014, the fuse was lit for war. ukraine _ way back in 2014, the fuse was lit for war. ukraine is devastated. - lit for war. ukraine is devastated. hundreds of thousands— devastated. hundreds of thousands are dead. infrastructure shattered, many iiiiions— infrastructure shattered, many iiiiions oi— infrastructure shattered, many billions of dollars, pounds and

euros have already been blown nono— euros have already been blown inono. ino— euros have already been blown there. the majority of the nooonsn— there. the majority of the weapons sent— there. the majority of the weapons sent there can't be inoooo— weapons sent there can't be inoooo .— weapons sent there can't be inoooo . non— weapons sent there can't be traced . now us— weapons sent there can't be traced . now us companies are traced. now us companies are gooning— traced. now us companies are gooning no— traced. now us companies are gooning no io— traced. now us companies are gearing up to extract ukrainian oil gearing up to extract ukrainian oii .— gearing up to extract ukrainian oil. transnational gearing up to extract ukrainian oil . transnational corporation oil. transnational corporation niooniooon— oil. transnational corporation blackrock will— oil. transnational corporation blackrock will invest in the gnooi— blackrock will invest in the great rebuild— blackrock will invest in the great rebuild and what goes ononno— great rebuild and what goes around comes— great rebuild and what goes around comes around . where around comes around. where inono-s— around comes around. where inono-s noon— around comes around. where there's muck and death , there's there's muck and death, there's inoss — there's muck and death, there's inoss ano— there's muck and death, there's brass. and down— there's muck and death, there's brass. and down in— there's muck and death, there's brass. and down in sudan, inono-s— brass. and down in sudan, there's more— brass. and down in sudan, there's more to— brass. and down in sudan, there's more to know about what options— there's more to know about what oppoons io— there's more to know about what oppoons no no— there's more to know about what appears to be going on there as non.— appears to be going on there as non. so— appears to be going on there as non. so donn-s— appears to be going on there as well. so dany's journalist david gonn— well. so dany's journalist david john buachaille_ well. so dany's journalist david john buachaille has described the john buachaille has described ino ino— john buachaille has described the two factions— john buachaille has described the two factions of the sudanese onnn— the two factions of the sudanese onnn oi— the two factions of the sudanese onnn oi no— the two factions of the sudanese army at war with— the two factions of the sudanese army at war with one another, noo— army at war with one another, not in— army at war with one another, one led by lieutenant general nononoo— one led by lieutenant general mohamed hamdan, head of a oononiiiionn— mohamed hamdan, head of a paramilitary group called rapid snpnon— paramilitary group called rapid suppon nonsos— paramilitary group called rapid support forces. the other by the snoonoso— support forces. the other by the snoonoso onnn— support forces. the other by the sudanese army chief general antoi— sudanese army chief general abdel fattah_ sudanese army chief general abdel fattah al—burhan . abdel fattah al—burhan. nooonoing— abdel fattah al—burhan. according to— abdel fattah al—burhan. according to bakali, the ooniiioi— according to bakali, the conflict is,— according to bakali, the conflict is, quote, not happening- conflict is, quote, not happening in a vacuum . he calls happening in a vacuum. he calls it happening in a vacuum. he calls ii noining— happening in a vacuum. he calls it nothing less— happening in a vacuum. he calls it nothing less than a proxy war ioinoon— it nothing less than a proxy war between russia— it nothing less than a proxy war between russia and america and sons— between russia and america and ooiis on— between russia and america and ooiis on ino— between russia and america and calls on the sudanese and indeed all calls on the sudanese and indeed oii ino— calls on the sudanese and indeed oii ino poooios— calls on the sudanese and indeed all the peoples of— calls on the sudanese and indeed all the peoples of africa to spoon— all the peoples of africa to spoon no— all the peoples of africa to spoon no no— all the peoples of africa to speak up and demand that, quote, anonioo— speak up and demand that, quote, anonioo ono— speak up and demand that, quote, america and russia— speak up and demand that, quote, america and russia get their nonos— america and russia get their nonos oii— america and russia get their hands off africa— america and russia get their hands off africa . the days of hands off africa. the days of ino— hands off africa. the days of the shenanigans— hands off africa. the days of the shenanigans of the cold war

are the shenanigans of the cold war oonpioioin— the shenanigans of the cold war are completely over, he said. ano— are completely over, he said. on non— are completely over, he said. and they cannot— are completely over, he said. and they cannot fight proxy wars in ninioo — and they cannot fight proxy wars in ninioo oi— and they cannot fight proxy wars in africa at the— and they cannot fight proxy wars in africa at the expense of innoooni— in africa at the expense of innocent african lives . the innocent african lives. the puppet— innocent african lives. the puppet masters- innocent african lives. the puppet masters must stop their oni— puppet masters must stop their evil, diabolical— puppet masters must stop their evil, diabolical games. puppet masters must stop their evil, diabolical games . as for evil, diabolical games. as for inoso— evil, diabolical games. as for inoso sini— evil, diabolical games. as for those still thinking , war is those still thinking, war is oioni— those still thinking, war is about protecting people and oononoing— about protecting people and advancing democracy, i see. nonto— advancing democracy, i see. nonio ii— advancing democracy, i see. noyio ii nos— advancing democracy, i see. maybe it was once , but that now maybe it was once, but that now it's maybe it was once, but that now its sinioiin— maybe it was once, but that now it's strictly business at our ooonso ii-s— it's strictly business at our expense. it's not just the us on— expense. it's not just the us on ionssio— expense. it's not just the us and russia dabbling in sudan. it's and russia dabbling in sudan. is soon— and russia dabbling in sudan. it's saudi arabia— and russia dabbling in sudan. it's saudi arabia too. saudi notio— it's saudi arabia too. saudi anoiio is— it's saudi arabia too. saudi arabia is tight— it's saudi arabia too. saudi arabia is tight with china oppononin— arabia is tight with china oppononin .— arabia is tight with china apparently , and yet in sudan apparently, and yet in sudan inon-no— apparently, and yet in sudan inon-no on— apparently, and yet in sudan they're on side— apparently, and yet in sudan they're on side with the us in sooning— they're on side with the us in sooning io— they're on side with the us in seeking to broker— they're on side with the us in seeking to broker a peace deal ioinoon— seeking to broker a peace deal ioinoon ino— seeking to broker a peace deal between the warring parties is sinioiin— between the warring parties is strictly business.— between the warring parties is strictly business. i suspect inoi— strictly business. i suspect inoi ioono— strictly business. i suspect that leave the— strictly business. i suspect that leave the gun, take the oonnoii — that leave the gun, take the oonnoii .— that leave the gun, take the cannoli . remember the bioweapons cannoli. remember the bioweapons ions— cannoli. remember the bioweapons iois in— cannoli. remember the bioweapons labs in ukraine,— cannoli. remember the bioweapons labs in ukraine, the— cannoli. remember the bioweapons labs in ukraine, the ones that onoi— labs in ukraine, the ones that weren't there,— labs in ukraine, the ones that weren't there, and then where scores of them— weren't there, and then where scores of them right up against the scores of them right up against ino ionssion— scores of them right up against the russian border and backed niin— the russian border and backed niin ns— the russian border and backed with us dollars— the russian border and backed with us dollars amid talk of goin— with us dollars amid talk of goin oi— with us dollars amid talk of gain of function— with us dollars amid talk of gain of function . one turns out gain of function. one turns out inono— gain of function. one turns out inono oo— gain of function. one turns out there are bioweapons labs in soon— there are bioweapons labs in snoon os— there are bioweapons labs in sudan as well. _ there are bioweapons labs in sudan as well. support by the nono— sudan as well. support by the world health— sudan as well. support by the world health organisation , world health organisation, insin— world health organisation, brazil, china,— world health organisation, brazil, china, the united arab ininoios— brazil, china, the united arab emirates, save— brazil, china, the united arab emirates, save the children . the

emirates, save the children. the nono— emirates, save the children. the nonio nonn— emirates, save the children. the world bank, the— emirates, save the children. the world bank, the united nations is oo— world bank, the united nations is ion— world bank, the united nations is one lab has— world bank, the united nations is one lab has focussed everyone's attention. it's in nnononn — everyone's attention. it's in khartoum and— everyone's attention. it's in khartoum and in its stores are nois— khartoum and in its stores are niois oi— khartoum and in its stores are vials of cholera— khartoum and in its stores are vials of cholera ,_ khartoum and in its stores are vials of cholera , measles, polio vials of cholera, measles, polio ono— vials of cholera, measles, polio ono oinon— vials of cholera, measles, polio and other infectious diseases. it and other infectious diseases. ii soos— and other infectious diseases. ii io— and other infectious diseases. it seems to be— and other infectious diseases. it seems to be under the control of it seems to be under the control oi ooonio. — it seems to be under the control oi people- ino— it seems to be under the control of people. the us— it seems to be under the control of people. the us does not care for of people. the us does not care ion nnoi— of people. the us does not care ion no is— of people. the us does not care ion no is ii— of people. the us does not care for what is it with— of people. the us does not care for what is it with bioweapons ions— for what is it with bioweapons iois ono— for what is it with bioweapons labs and insecure— for what is it with bioweapons labs and insecure countries? why are international— labs and insecure countries? why are international interests so oiion— are international interests so often involved— are international interests so often involved in— are international interests so often involved in bioweapons research conducted in countries inoi— research conducted in countries inoi inn— research conducted in countries that turn into _ research conducted in countries that turn into war— research conducted in countries that turn into war zones ? and that turn into war zones? and noon— that turn into war zones? and noon in— that turn into war zones? and noon in i998.— that turn into war zones? and back in 1998, the— that turn into war zones? and back in 1998, the clinton administration bombed the ioiosns— administration bombed the notosns oni— administration bombed the bejesus out of— administration bombed the bejesus out of a factory in soon— bejesus out of a factory in snoon inoi— bejesus out of a factory in sudan that made half of all the nooioinos— sudan that made half of all the medicines upon— sudan that made half of all the medicines upon which the people of medicines upon which the people oi snoon— medicines upon which the people of sudan depended. it was called oi—sniio— of sudan depended. it was called oi—sniio in— of sudan depended. it was called al—shifa in the— of sudan depended. it was called al—shifa in the sudanese connoi— al—shifa in the sudanese capital, khartoum. clinton's ionis— capital, khartoum. clinton's ionisnoo— capital, khartoum. clinton's bombs were claimed to be nonnisois— bombs were claimed to be reprisals for— bombs were claimed to be reprisals for osama bin laden's ooniion— reprisals for osama bin laden's earlier attacks— reprisals for osama bin laden's earlier attacks on— reprisals for osama bin laden's earlier attacks on targets in nonno— earlier attacks on targets in nonno ono— earlier attacks on targets in kenya and tanzania . the factory kenya and tanzania. the factory was flattened, _ kenya and tanzania. the factory was flattened, killing one and intnning— was flattened, killing one and intnning ii.— was flattened, killing one and injuring 11. clinton people said oi—sniio— injuring 11. clinton people said oi—sniio nos— injuring 11. clinton people said al—shifa was making nerve agent and al—shifa was making nerve agent on non— al—shifa was making nerve agent on non ino— al—shifa was making nerve agent and that the owners had links to oi—ooooo— and that the owners had links to al—qaeda except— and that the owners had links to al—qaeda except they almost oonoinin— al—qaeda except they almost certainly didn't— al—qaeda except they almost certainly didn't ._ al—qaeda except they almost certainly didn't . officials certainly didn't. officials ioion— certainly didn't. officials later conceded there was no

nnooi— later conceded there was no nnooi oi— later conceded there was no proof of production or storing of proof of production or storing oi nono— proof of production or storing oi nonno gos— proof of production or storing of nerve gas or— proof of production or storing of nerve gas or of links to osono— of nerve gas or of links to osono nin— of nerve gas or of links to osama bin laden. in any event, in zoos— osama bin laden. in any event, in zoos ino— osama bin laden. in any event, in 2006, the us— osama bin laden. in any event, in 2006, the us stepped into snoon— in 2006, the us stepped into snoon niin— in 2006, the us stepped into sudan with private farmer onponios— sudan with private farmer companies to— sudan with private farmer companies to fill the void left by companies to fill the void left in ino— companies to fill the void left by the unlawful— companies to fill the void left by the unlawful bombing of oi—sniio. — by the unlawful bombing of al—shifa. it's— by the unlawful bombing of al—shifa. it's not personal . you al—shifa. it's not personal. you nigni— al—shifa. it's not personal. you nigni nono— al—shifa. it's not personal. you might have said— al—shifa. it's not personal. you might have said it's strictly insinoss— might have said it's strictly business, but— might have said it's strictly business, but back in the early 20 ions— business, but back in the early 20 ions ii— business, but back in the early 20 tens it was— business, but back in the early 20 tens it was estimated sudan siiiing— 20 tens it was estimated sudan siiiing on— 20 tens it was estimated sudan was sitting on as— 20 tens it was estimated sudan was sitting on as much as 7 onion— was sitting on as much as 7 billion barrels— was sitting on as much as 7 billion barrels of- was sitting on as much as 7 billion barrels of oil that are iongoin— billion barrels of oil that are largely unexploited reserves, too: _ largely unexploited reserves, ioo. oi— largely unexploited reserves, ioo. oi gono— largely unexploited reserves, too, of gold uranium and iron oiong— too, of gold uranium and iron ore, along with— too, of gold uranium and iron ore, along with much more ninonoi— ore, along with much more mineral wealth. _ ore, along with much more mineral wealth. besides, so much monon— mineral wealth. besides, so much nonon io— mineral wealth. besides, so much nonon io io— mineral wealth. besides, so much money to be made,— mineral wealth. besides, so much money to be made, the scale and iniinonoo— money to be made, the scale and iniinonoo oi— money to be made, the scale and influence of the— money to be made, the scale and influence of the military industrial— influence of the military industrial complex is almost too gnooi— industrial complex is almost too gnooi io— industrial complex is almost too gnooi io io— industrial complex is almost too great to be contemplated. niiiions— great to be contemplated. millions of— great to be contemplated. millions of dollars are spent lobbying— millions of dollars are spent lobbying politicians of all sininos— lobbying politicians of all stripes, lucrative arms ooninoois— stripes, lucrative arms contracts are - stripes, lucrative arms contracts are awarded endless wars are embarked upon the ooionoo— wars are embarked upon the defence spending of the us is niggon— defence spending of the us is niggon inon— defence spending of the us is bigger than that— defence spending of the us is bigger than that of the 15 next iiggosi— bigger than that of the 15 next biggest national— bigger than that of the 15 next biggest national defence budgets in ino— biggest national defence budgets in no nono— biggest national defence budgets in the world combined every noon.— in the world combined every year, some few— in the world combined every year, some few us politicians on— year, some few us politicians on oinons— year, some few us politicians and others ask— year, some few us politicians and others ask to— year, some few us politicians and others ask to see accounts for and others ask to see accounts ion nnono— and others ask to see accounts ion nnono ono— and others ask to see accounts for where and how— and others ask to see accounts for where and how those many

nnnonoos— for where and how those many nnnonoos oi— for where and how those many hundreds of billions of us ioopoyons— hundreds of billions of us taxpayers dollars are spent. and every— taxpayers dollars are spent. and onon year— taxpayers dollars are spent. and onon yoon ino— taxpayers dollars are spent. and every year the pentagon somehow ioiis— every year the pentagon somehow ioiis io— every year the pentagon somehow fails to provide— every year the pentagon somehow fails to provide the— every year the pentagon somehow fails to provide the requested answers and data. they have ioiioo— answers and data. they have ioiioo ino— answers and data. they have failed the last— answers and data. they have failed the last five audits. nonn— failed the last five audits. nonn oi— failed the last five audits. many of those— failed the last five audits. many of those billions remain nnoooonnoio— many of those billions remain unaccounted for— many of those billions remain unaccounted for ._ many of those billions remain unaccounted for. it's all a noioiing— unaccounted for. it's all a rotating wheel— unaccounted for. it's all a rotating wheel of spend and nnoiii. — rotating wheel of spend and onoiii. ino— rotating wheel of spend and profit. the missiles and bullets fly profit. the missiles and bullets in in— profit. the missiles and bullets in in iononon— profit. the missiles and bullets fly in faraway countries. people die fly in faraway countries. people on no— fly in faraway countries. people on on ino— fly in faraway countries. people die and the profits fly back. insi— die and the profits fly back. inst os— die and the profits fly back. inst os iost— die and the profits fly back. just as fast into— die and the profits fly back. just as fast into the coffers of oonnooontts— just as fast into the coffers of contractors like _ just as fast into the coffers of contractors like lockheed nonin— contractors like lockheed martin. boeing general dynamics, nonnnon— martin. boeing general dynamics, northrop grumman, much of the snnnnoi— northrop grumman, much of the snnnnoi oi— northrop grumman, much of the survival of the— northrop grumman, much of the survival of the idea in the mints— survival of the idea in the minds oi— survival of the idea in the minds of many- survival of the idea in the minds of many that the running of minds of many that the running oi ino— minds of many that the running oi tno nonto— minds of many that the running of the world is— minds of many that the running of the world is about the same old of the world is about the same oio goooios— of the world is about the same old goodies and— of the world is about the same old goodies and baddies. it's tonn— old goodies and baddies. it's town to— old goodies and baddies. it's down to mainstream media down to the mainstream media not— down to the mainstream media that perpetuates— down to the mainstream media that perpetuates the myth. but not— that perpetuates the myth. but that mainstream _ that perpetuates the myth. but that mainstream media is oooonoont.— that mainstream media is dependent, turn, for its dependent, in turn, for its snnnnoi— dependent, in turn, for its survival-the- dependent, in turn, for its survival the billions of survival on the billions of ooiions— survival on the billions of dollars funnelled their way by gooonts— dollars funnelled their way by governments and those same nostoo— governments and those same vested interests— governments and those same vested interests of the military inonstnioi— vested interests of the military industrial complex . if the industrial complex. if the mainstream— industrial complex. if the mainstream media don't tell the nignt— mainstream media don't tell the nignt stonios— mainstream media don't tell the right stories and— mainstream media don't tell the right stories and push the approved— right stories and push the approved narrative at the plebs, tnon— approved narrative at the plebs, tnon ino— approved narrative at the plebs, then the money— approved narrative at the plebs, then the money flow stops. is onotnon— then the money flow stops. is onotnon-i— then the money flow stops. is another-i think- then the money flow stops. is another i think about another movie i think about a lot another movie i think about a iot is— another movie i think about a tot is cooi— another movie i think about a lot is cool hand— another movie i think about a lot is cool hand luke, the embodiment— lot is cool hand luke, the embodiment of- lot is cool hand luke, the embodiment of the unbreakable played— embodiment of the unbreakable stood in—

embodiment of the unbreakable man played by paul newman. no notion— man played by paul newman. no notton nnot— man played by paul newman. no matter what the— man played by paul newman. no matter what the man tries to do nitn— matter what the man tries to do wit onoins— matter what the man tries to do with chains and— matter what the man tries to do with chains and beatings and the soiiton— with chains and beatings and the solitary confinement of the box, into — solitary confinement of the box, into non-t— solitary confinement of the box, into non-t gino— solitary confinement of the box, luke won't give in.— solitary confinement of the box, luke won't give in. could it be not— luke won't give in. could it be no simple?— luke won't give in. could it be that simple? then— luke won't give in. could it be that simple? then don't give in. conto— that simple? then don't give in. count it— that simple? then don't give in. count it to— that simple? then don't give in. could it be that— that simple? then don't give in. could it be that all we have to do could it be that all we have to to is— could it be that all we have to do is emulate— could it be that all we have to do is emulate the— could it be that all we have to do is emulate the spirit of cool nono— do is emulate the spirit of cool nono inton— do is emulate the spirit of cool hand luke? that— do is emulate the spirit of cool hand luke? that determined stubbornness— hand luke? that determined stubbornness in— hand luke? that determined stubbornness in defiance of all coercion. .writer_ stubbornness in defiance of all coercion. writer and coercion. us writer and filmmaker— coercion. us writer and filmmaker james webb , also one filmmaker james webb, also one of filmmaker james webb, also one oi ino— filmmaker james webb, also one oi to most— filmmaker james webb, also one of the most decorated marines of the of the most decorated marines of too viotnon— of the most decorated marines of the vietnam war,— of the most decorated marines of the vietnam war, has written ooont— the vietnam war, has written oiont ino— the vietnam war, has written about the culture of the scots—irish _ about the culture of the scots—irish and those migrants nno— scots—irish and those migrants nno tit— scots—irish and those migrants nno tit so— scots—irish and those migrants who did so much— scots—irish and those migrants who did so much to shape the onitnno— who did so much to shape the onitnno oi— who did so much to shape the culture of-united- who did so much to shape the culture of united states . he culture of the united states. he nos— culture of the united states. he has described— culture of the united states. he has described the— culture of the united states. he has described the us, and that name is a badge— has described the us, and that name is a badge not of shame, int— name is a badge not of shame, int oi— name is a badge not of shame, int oi gtoning— name is a badge not of shame, but of glowing pride. and as the ono— but of glowing pride. and as the sons and daughters of the scots—irish,— sons and daughters of the scots—irish, who from century to oontnn— scots—irish, who from century to oontnnn ono — scots—irish, who from century to century and millennium to millennium— century and millennium to millennium defied one after the otnoo— millennium defied one after the otnon. ino— millennium defied one after the other, the romans— millennium defied one after the other, the romans and the normans, the— other, the romans and the normans, the english aristocracy normans, the engliin aristocracy in normans, the english aristocracy in sootiono.— normans, the english aristocracy in scotland, and— normans, the english aristocracy in scotland, and then in inoiono.— in scotland, and then in ireland. then- in scotland, and then in ireland. then all of those oiitists— ireland. then all of those elitists, descendants in the itotgting— elitists, descendants in the fledgling usa— elitists, descendants in the fledgling usa as well as every otnon— fledgling usa as well as every other uncomprehending fool that got— other uncomprehending fool that got no— other uncomprehending fool that got no in— other uncomprehending fool that ever got up in the— other uncomprehending fool that ever got up in the faces of and nono—

ever got up in the faces of and not ooooio— ever got up in the faces of and hard people forged in one ino— hard people forged in one furnace after— hard people forged in one furnace after another. they never have and— furnace after another. they never have and surely never nit— never have and surely never won, soinit— never have and surely never will, submit to— never have and surely never will, submit to any top down outnonity— will, submit to any top down authority that _ will, submit to any top down authority that seeks to have tnon — authority that seeks to have tnon sot— authority that seeks to have them set aside— authority that seeks to have them set aside their beliefs, tnoin— them set aside their beliefs, their independence, their way of life _ their independence, their way of no —to — their independence, their way of no —to to - their independence, their way of life,_to do what- life, and meekly to do what tnoy-no— life, and meekly to do what tnoy-no toio — life, and meekly to do what they're told in— life, and meekly to do what they're told in card game. in they're told in a card game. in ino— they're told in a card game. in to nnono— they're told in a card game. in the movie, eponymous the movie, the eponymous luke nos— the movie, the eponymous luke nos osoossi— the movie, the eponymous luke has useless cards— the movie, the eponymous luke has useless cards but plays them win— has useless cards but plays them nitn ott— has useless cards but plays them nitn oti its— has useless cards but plays them with all its needed,— has useless cards but plays them with all its needed, which is to say— with all its needed, which is to soy nitn— with all its needed, which is to soy nitn guts— with all its needed, which is to say with guts and— with all its needed, which is to say with guts and guile. when he nin— say with guts and guile. when he ono— say with guts and guile. when he not its— say with guts and guile. when he wins and his-voices- say with guts and guile. when he wins and his voices his wins and his opponent voices his ostonisning— wins and his opponent voices his astonishing about— wins and his opponent voices his astonishing about being beaten by a— astonishing about being beaten by o nono— astonishing about being beaten by o nono-oi— astonishing about being beaten by a hand of nothing, luke by a hand full of nothing, luke sons—ninnts- by a hand full of nothing, luke says himars nothing says something himars nothing can says something himars nothing io— says something himars nothing to o— says something himars nothing to o oo— says something himars nothing can be a real cool— says something himars nothing can be a real cool hand. eric notion— can be a real cool hand. eric noiion nos— can be a real cool hand. eric hoffer was an— can be a real cool hand. eric hoffer was an american onitosoonon— hoffer was an american philosopher and writer. he wrote ogoin— philosopher and writer. he wrote ogoin ono— philosopher and writer. he wrote ogoin ono ogoin— philosopher and writer. he wrote again and again. i— philosopher and writer. he wrote again and again. i come across ino— again and again. i come across to ossonion— again and again. i come across the assertion that— again and again. i come across the assertion that a society onnot— the assertion that a society onnot gnon— the assertion that a society cannot grow and thrive without outtnoitn— cannot grow and thrive without culturally superior stratums nnion— culturally superior stratums which generate _ culturally superior stratums which generate the impulse tononos— which generate the impulse towards excellence and greatness . inono— towards excellence and greatness . inono is— towards excellence and greatness . there is evidence— towards excellence and greatness . there is evidence on every nono— . there is evidence on every nono tnot— . there is evidence on every hand that the— . there is evidence on every hand that the vigour and health of hand that the vigour and health oi o— hand that the vigour and health oi o sooioty— hand that the vigour and health of a society are— hand that the vigour and health of a society are determined by the of a society are determined by too gnotity— of a society are determined by too gnotity oi— of a society are determined by the quality of the— of a society are determined by the quality of the common people notion— the quality of the common people notnon tnon— the quality of the common people rather than the— the quality of the common people rather than the cultural elite. inoso — rather than the cultural elite. inoso oi— rather than the cultural elite. inoso oi os— rather than the cultural elite. those of us common people oooosing— those of us common people oooosing ino— those of us common people opposing the dictatorial nonsense by— opposing the dictatorial nonsense by the elite have a nnoio— nonsense by the elite have a nnoio iot— nonsense by the elite have a whole lot more— nonsense by the elite have a whole lot more than nothing. and it's whole lot more than nothing. and to o— whole lot more than nothing. and to o oo— whole lot more than nothing. and it's a real cool— whole lot more than nothing. and it's a real cool hand. we have ooontning— it's a real cool hand. we have ooontning no— it's a real cool hand. we have everything we need because we

nono— everything we need because we too nignt— everything we need because we nono nignt ono— everything we need because we have right and we— everything we need because we have right and we have the truth . nno— have right and we have the truth . nno tnono— have right and we have the truth . nno tnono onn— have right and we have the truth . are there any goodies in onongo— . are there any goodies in onongo in— . are there any goodies in charge in the— . are there any goodies in charge in the world anymore? sonotinos— charge in the world anymore? sometimes it— charge in the world anymore? sometimes it feels like it's not tonios— sometimes it feels like it's not tonios ott— sometimes it feels like it's not turtles all the— sometimes it feels like it's not turtles all the way down. it's iottios— turtles all the way down. it's baddies. for— turtles all the way down. it's baddies. for those baddies. it's stniotn— baddies. for those baddies. it's strictly business.— baddies. for those baddies. it's strictly business. here's the tning. — strictly business. here's the thing. unlike— strictly business. here's the thing. unlike michael corleone of thing. unlike michael corleone oi ino— thing. unlike michael corleone of the godfather,— thing. unlike michael corleone of the godfather, i say it is oonsonoi— of the godfather, i say it is oonsonoi .— of the godfather, i say it is personal , 100%_ of the godfather, i say it is personal , 100% personal. and personal, 100% personal. and i ino— personal, 100% personal. and i to too— personal, 100% personal. and i see the fate of— personal, 100% personal. and i see the fate of the— personal, 100% personal. and i see the fate of the world is oioot— see the fate of the world is oioot gooni— see the fate of the world is about good and— see the fate of the world is about good and bad. it's about nnot-s— about good and bad. it's about nnot-s nignt— about good and bad. it's about what's right and— about good and bad. it's about what's right and wrong and that it's what's right and wrong and that its tong— what's right and wrong and that its tong oost— what's right and wrong and that it's long past time— what's right and wrong and that it's long past time to pick a stoo— it's long past time to pick a sioo .— it's long past time to pick a side .joining_ it's long past time to pick a side .joining me- it's long past time to pick a side . joining me tonight , the side. joining me tonight, the ionnoiist— side. joining me tonight, the journalist and— side. joining me tonight, the journalist and authorjulie cook journalist and author julie cook journalist and authorjulie cook . julien— journalist and authorjulie cook .gntio. goooios— journalist and authorjulie cook . julie, goodies and baddies. do you— . julie, goodies and baddies. do not tnint— . julie, goodies and baddies. do you tnint tnot— . julie, goodies and baddies. do you think that who they were or nnoi— you think that who they were or nnot oo— you think that who they were or nnot to not— you think that who they were or what do you think— you think that who they were or what do you think of my ossonion— what do you think of my assertion that- what do you think of my assertion that it's a little bit more complicated than that of all more complicated than that of oti noon— more complicated than that of all your monologue? b all your monologue? as ever hits it night— all your monologue? as ever hits it right on the head? i don't know good and bad anymore. know who's good and bad anymore. i have for a long i don't think i have for a long time, particularly with sudan. it's as you said, where is sudan? we don't hear about sudan here, you to look it here, do we? you had to look it up on a map before the show. i

was , when did i last was thinking, when did i last hear you know, it's hear about sudan? you know, it's not we talk about. and not something we talk about. and of course, it's followed the oil money, follow money, money, follow the money, follow the and my fear is, you the gold. and my fear is, you know, we've destroyed iraq. we've is we've destroyed afghanistan. is this next place that we're this the next place that we're going to destroy and rape the land for what it has in the name of something else? and that's my fear. so i think sudan is just another place we're going to destroy. that's the way it seems to me . i think destroy. that's the way it seems to me. i think it's a lot easier to me. i think it's a lot easier to mono— to me. i think it's a lot easier to make sense— to me. i think it's a lot easier to make sense of— i think it's a lot easier to make sense of things if you set to make sense of things if you sot osioo— to make sense of things if you set aside the— to make sense of things if you set aside the notion of which nno— set aside the notion of which nno oo— set aside the notion of which nno ino— set aside the notion of which who are the goodies and who are the who are the goodies and who are too iottios— who are the goodies and who are the baddies. it— who are the goodies and who are the baddies. it is— who are the goodies and who are the baddies. it is for business ino— the baddies. it is for business to iongost— the baddies. it is for business the longest time— the baddies. it is for business the longest time now it's just noon— the longest time now it's just been business.— the longest time now it's just been business. yeah ' t: the longest time now it's just been business. yeah 't: been business. yeah and i think as we've become more and more a world of there isn't really political elites anymore, is there? there's just. there's just conglomerates. there's just money, there's just big business. and that is our new ruling class. and i think that's, as you say, that's the new reality. and there is no one really to look up to anymore. there are no sort of public

figures of any worth to warrant that sort of admiration anymore. we up to decide we can't look up to or decide who's bad when it's who's good and bad when it's just a global elite elite just simply a global elite elite of making and that's, as of money making and that's, as you say, follow the money back to sudan. look where the money is. and it's all about that. yes, we're on a break already. coming— yes, we're on a break already. coming-nont— yes, we're on a break already. coming next, we'll be joined coming up next, we'll be joined by coming up next, we'll be joined in-nniogon— coming up next, we'll be joined in-nniogon ino- by andrew bridgen, the conservative - conservative party has expelled nin— conservative party has expelled nin-tnoot— conservative party has expelled him tweet mentioning the him after a tweet mentioning the notoooost— him after a tweet mentioning the notoooost in— him after a tweet mentioning the holocaust in the— him after a tweet mentioning the holocaust in the same sentence as holocaust in the same sentence os ino— holocaust in the same sentence os tno noooino— holocaust in the same sentence as the vaccine rollout was found to nono— as the vaccine rollout was found to have breached— as the vaccine rollout was found to have breached lobbying rules . nono— to have breached lobbying rules . we're watching— to have breached lobbying rules . we're watching neil oliver ino— . we're watching neil oliver iinolon— . we're watching neil oliver live-gb news,- . we're watching neil oliver live gb news, the people's

to gb news radio. welcome back to gb news radio. welcome back to noti— to gb news radio. welcome back to noii onnon— to gb news radio. welcome back to neil oliver live. _ to gb news radio. welcome back to neil oliver live. my- [15 \n 15: welcome back to neil oliver live. i~i3 �*" to neil oliver live. my first guest— to neil oliver live. my first guest tonight is andrew bridgen, mp for north west leicestershire. mr bridgen has been kicked out of the conservative party for remarks he made in relation to the harms done by the products marketed as vaccines for covid. he's one of a handful, barely a handful of mps who have questioned the official line that the products

are safe and effective. he joins me now to talk about why he's taken this path. thanks for coming in, andrew. you going against the grain, running against the grain, running against the grain, running against the official narrative? it comes with a lot of grief. what did you see and experience that persuaded you to take this path , given my qualifications in path, given my qualifications in biological sciences , i think i'm biological sciences, i think i'm probably one of the mps who's qualified to research all this, and i wasn't comfortable about the whole pandemic response. the lockdowns as the project ioon— the lockdowns as the project ioon ogoinst— the lockdowns as the project fear against my— the lockdowns as the project fear against my constituents . fear against my constituents. nno— fear against my constituents. no i— fear against my constituents. no i stonoo— fear against my constituents. and i started speaking to soiontists— and i started speaking to scientists and— and i started speaking to scientists and doctors who themselves— scientists and doctors who themselves have been cancelled and themselves have been cancelled on iooo— themselves have been cancelled and became aware— themselves have been cancelled and became aware of what was noonn— and became aware of what was nootn going— and became aware of what was nootn going on— and became aware of what was really going on. that the vaccines are— really going on. that the vaccines are not safe or oiiootino— vaccines are not safe or effective. and - vaccines are not safe or effective. and for most people are effective. and for most people oonototoin— effective. and for most people are completely unnecessary . and are completely unnecessary. and tnon— are completely unnecessary. and tnon i— are completely unnecessary. and tnon i got— are completely unnecessary. and tnon i got nonn— are completely unnecessary. and then i got very worried about tno— then i got very worried about the narrative.— then i got very worried about the narrative. i— then i got very worried about the narrative. i could have sooton— the narrative. i could have sooton out— the narrative. i could have spoken out earlier, probably 12 nontns— spoken out earlier, probably 12 months earlier.— spoken out earlier, probably 12 months earlier. but it was when the months earlier. but it was when to nnitn— months earlier. but it was when

the mhra went— months earlier. but it was when the mhra went to— months earlier. but it was when the mhra went to the government and the mhra went to the government not ostoni— the mhra went to the government not ostoo ion— the mhra went to the government and asked for permission to ontono— and asked for permission to ontono tno— and asked for permission to extend the vaccines down to oonios— extend the vaccines down to ioiios oi— extend the vaccines down to babies of six— extend the vaccines down to babies of six months. and then i felt babies of six months. and then i ioit i— babies of six months. and then i ioit i not— babies of six months. and then i ioit i not to— babies of six months. and then i felt i had to had— babies of six months. and then i felt i had to had to— babies of six months. and then i felt i had to had to speak out. nno— felt i had to had to speak out. and thankfully— felt i had to had to speak out. and thankfully the government reversed on that— and thankfully the government reversed on that . " and thankfully the government reversed on that . 1 and thankfully the government reversed on that . 3“ e reversed on that. uh, what is it like for you now in westminster? what's the atmosphere in it's like being in a in a sort of parallel universe , certainly the parallel universe, certainly the elected politicians are not happy with me. they're getting a lot happy with me. they're getting a tot oi— happy with me. they're getting a tot oi onoiis— happy with me. they're getting a lot of emails from _ happy with me. they're getting a lot of emails from their- lot of emails from their constituents,- lot of emails from their constituents, which they don't nont— constituents, which they don't wont to — constituents, which they don't want to answer.— constituents, which they don't want to answer. but what you nono— want to answer. but what you have-remember— want to answer. but what you have remember is there's have to remember is there's oioot— have to remember is there's oioot oooo— have to remember is there's about 4000 real— have to remember is there's about 4000 real people work about 4000 real people who work in westminster— about 4000 real people who work in westminster the— about 4000 real people who work in westminster the cooks, the cleaners,_guards,j in westminster the cooks, the cleeclerks guards, in westminster the cooks, the cleeclerks and guards, in westminster the cooks, the cleeclerks and they're guards, in westminster the cooks, the cleeclerks and they're very, s, the clerks and they're very, non— the clerks and they're very, non snooonino— the clerks and they're very, very supportive of my position ono— very supportive of my position not nono— very supportive of my position and have been— very supportive of my position and have been all the way tnnoogn. — and have been all the way tnnongn. it— and have been all the way through. c through. it seems to me that every mp in the house must have surely been contact by at least one constituent to raise some kind of question about the vaccine products and the effects that they've had on someone close to them. and yet and yet when you stood up on your hind legs in the house to ask for

your colleagues to come together to debate it, everyone was conspicuous by their absence. how do you rationalise that in a place that's supposed to be the home to spirited debate? right. well, we're always told that we're supposed— well, we're always told that we're supposed to speak as oiootoo— we're supposed to speak as elected representatives the elected representatives in the notion— elected representatives in the mother parliaments mother of all parliaments nitnoot— mother of all parliaments without -favour. - without fear or favour. unfortunately what we've got in the unfortunately what we've got in too in— unfortunately what we've got in too in too — unfortunately what we've got in the in the parliament now is tnono-s— the in the parliament now is tnono-s o— the in the parliament now is tnono-s o iot— the in the parliament now is there's a lot of— the in the parliament now is there's a lot of fear and tnono-s— there's a lot of fear and tnono-s o— there's a lot of fear and there's a lot— there's a lot of fear and there's a lot of- there's a lot of fear and there's a lot of favour , a there's a lot of favour, a ninono— there's a lot of favour, a number, a large number of ooiioogoos— number, a large number of colleagues have come to me onnoton— colleagues have come to me onnoton oo— colleagues have come to me privately over the last four nontns— privately over the last four nontns ono— privately over the last four months and give me the nod and the months and give me the nod and too nint— months and give me the nod and too nint ono— months and give me the nod and the wink and said,— months and give me the nod and the wink and said, yes, you're ooiinitoin— the wink and said, yes, you're definitely onto— the wink and said, yes, you're definitely onto something. don't stoo— definitely onto something. don't stooltnot-s— definitely onto something. don't stoo. .tnot-s o— definitely onto something. don't stop.-that's a long- stop. but that's a long way ston— stop. but that's a long way snon oi— stop. but that's a long way short of standing to me in short of standing next to me in the short of standing next to me in too ononion— short of standing next to me in the chamber actually voting the chamber or actually voting for the chamber or actually voting ion onytning. — the chamber or actually voting for anything. motives for anything. what is motives ontting— for anything. what is motives putting colleagues then to putting your colleagues then to out— putting your colleagues then to out oi— putting your colleagues then to remain out of it,— putting your colleagues then to remain out of it, to keep their toots— remain out of it, to keep their nooos oonno— remain out of it, to keep their heads down? i— remain out of it, to keep their heads down? i had a meeting with a heads down? i had a meeting with ooon— heads down? i had a meeting with o non soio— heads down? i had a meeting with a very senior colleague in the party— a very senior colleague in the party ion— a very senior colleague in the party four months ago and at the end party four months ago and at the on oi— party four months ago and at the on oi tnot— party four months ago and at the end of that meet— party four months ago and at the end of that meet we talked about ooontning— end of that meet we talked about ooontning ion— end of that meet we talked about everything for an— end of that meet we talked about everything for an hour or so. nno— everything for an hour or so. no no— everything for an hour or so. no no nos— everything for an hour or so. and he was fully— everything for an hour or so. and he was fully in the picture

at and he was fully in the picture ot tno— and he was fully in the picture ot tno ono— and he was fully in the picture ot too on oi— and he was fully in the picture at the end of it.— and he was fully in the picture at the end of it. he said, ontnon— at the end of it. he said, andrew, there's- at the end of it. he said, andrew, there's no no political ooootito— andrew, there's no no political ooootito ion— andrew, there's no no political appetite for your— andrew, there's no no political appetite for your views on the ot— appetite for your views on the vaccines at the— appetite for your views on the vaccines at the moment. there may— vaccines at the moment. there non noti— vaccines at the moment. there may noii io— vaccines at the moment. there may noti to in— vaccines at the moment. there may well be in 20— vaccines at the moment. there may well be in 20 years time and you may well be in 20 years time and noo-noti— may well be in 20 years time and noo-non io— may well be in 20 years time and you-well be proved- may well be in 20 years time and you well be proved correct you may well be proved correct ono— you may well be proved correct on tno— you may well be proved correct and the final— you may well be proved correct and the final warning as i left the and the final warning as i left to noon— and the final warning as i left to nos— and the final warning as i left the room was you— and the final warning as i left the room was you need to bear in mint— the room was you need to bear in mind not— the room was you need to bear in mind that you're— the room was you need to bear in mind that you're taking on the most— mind that you're taking on the most powerful— mind that you're taking on the most powerful vested interests in-nonio— most powerful vested interests in .world with— most powerful vested interests in .world with all- most powerful vested interests in world with all the risks in the world with all the risks tnot— in the world with all the risks no not— in the world with all the risks that that entails— in the world with all the risks that that entails . wife. in the world with all the risks that that entails . 3333. ”3:3; in the world with all the risks that that entails . 33:3. ”3:3 that that entails. what are you supposed read between supposed to read between those lines supposed to read between those unes he supposed to read between those lines he was? you lines that like he was? you should be afraid of consequence his of going up against or in the face of those vested interests. yesi the face of those vested interests. yes i think that's not— interests. yes i think that's no nos— interests. yes i think that's that was the _ yes i think that's that was the message. and i tnint— that was the message. and i tnint no— that was the message. and i think he was— that was the message. and i think he was being very honest oioot— think he was being very honest oioot it.— think he was being very honest oioot it. not— think he was being very honest about it. but ultimately, i was oiootoo— about it. but ultimately, i was oiootoo to— about it. but ultimately, i was elected to look— about it. but ultimately, i was elected to look after the intonosts— elected to look after the interests of _ elected to look after the interests of my constituents and the interests of my constituents and tno-nnitisn— interests of my constituents and the-british public. - interests of my constituents and the british public. the the wider british public. the oniton — the wider british public. the emblem parliament emblem of parliament is a oononts— emblem of parliament is al portcullis,_last portcullis, which is the last ooionoo— portcullis, which is the last ooionoo oi— portcullis, which is the last defence of the— portcullis, which is the last defence of the castle. when the nnon— defence of the castle. when the nnon tno— defence of the castle. when the when the drawbridge has been inooonoo— when the drawbridge has been breached and— when the drawbridge has been breached and we're supposed to ooiono— breached and we're supposed to ooiono oon— breached and we're supposed to defend our constituents and the ooontn-s— defend our constituents and the oonntn-s iost— defend our constituents and the country's best interests. and i oonont— country's best interests. and i couldn't reconcile— country's best interests. and i couldn't reconcile keeping quiet nitn— couldn't reconcile keeping quiet nitn nitn— couldn't reconcile keeping quiet with with with— couldn't reconcile keeping quiet with with with those promises i

noto— with with with those promises i nooo to — with with with those promises i nooo to my— with with with those promises i made to my electorate when i toot— made to my electorate when i toot oiiioo. — made to my electorate when i took office. and— made to my electorate when i took office. and also , you know, took office. and also, you know, tno— took office. and also, you know, too got— took office. and also, you know, too got o— took office. and also, you know, too got o ion— took office. and also, you know, i've got a four year— took office. and also, you know, i've got a four year old and i iootoo— i've got a four year old and i iootoo ot— i've got a four year old and i looked at him— i've got a four year old and i looked at him and no, he wasn't going— looked at him and no, he wasn't going to— looked at him and no, he wasn't going to to— looked at him and no, he wasn't going to to o— looked at him and no, he wasn't going to be a guinea pig for experimental— going to be a guinea pig for experimental vaccines, which oi— experimental vaccines, which were of no benefit to him whatsoever— were of no benefit to him whatsoever .— were of no benefit to him whatsoever . and already were of no benefit to him- whatsoever. and-already had whatsoever. and he'd already had coviio. — whatsoever. and he'd already had oono. onno.— whatsoever. and he'd already had covm. julie, what— whatsoever. and he'd already had covm. julie, what do- whatsoever. and he'd already had covid. t:t:3t , covid. julie, what do you feel? what do you what's your reaction to listening to this testimony? i think it's i think it's frightening that we don't have free speech anymore . i certainly free speech anymore. i certainly think free speech anymore. i certainly tnint tnot— free speech anymore. i certainly tnint no i— free speech anymore. i certainly think that i think— free speech anymore. i certainly think that i think having- ”33:3; f 33 ”3 i certainly think that i think having in non— think that i think having in on ooinion— think that i think having in your opinion, andrew, i don't tnint— your opinion, andrew, i don't tnint noo— your opinion, andrew, i don't think you should— your opinion, andrew, i don't think you should have then been expelled— think you should have then been expelled inon — think you should have then been expelled from a— think you should have then been expelled from a political party for expelled from a political party ion—tninti for having an opinion. i think tnot-s— for having an opinion. i think that's frightening . i think the that's frightening. i think the tnot— that's frightening. i think the reason that people certain ooooio— reason that people certain ooooto oo— reason that people certain people are clinging to was the nono— people are clinging to was the word holocaust,— people are clinging to was the word holocaust, which as we've soio— word holocaust, which as we've soio ioiono— word holocaust, which as we've said before, when— word holocaust, which as we've said before, when can you use tno— said before, when can you use too nono— said before, when can you use the word holocaust and in what oontoxto— the word holocaust and in what oontoxto not— the word holocaust and in what context? but the _ the word holocaust and in what context? but the trouble with the context? but the trouble with too nono— context? but the trouble with the word holocaust is it's a non— the word holocaust is it's a non tooon— the word holocaust is it's a very laden, heavy word. and i tnint— very laden, heavy word. and i tnint tnot-s— very laden, heavy word. and i think that's being used as a oistnootion— think that's being used as a distraction for— think that's being used as a distraction for what you're ootooiin— distraction for what you're actually trying— distraction for what you're actually trying to say. but i why— actually trying to say. but i can see why i— actually trying to say. but i can see why i didn't take oiionoo— can see why i didn't take oiionoo ot— can see why i didn't take offence at the _ can see why i didn't take offence at the word holocaust, int— offence at the word holocaust, int i— offence at the word holocaust, int i oon— offence at the word holocaust, int i soo— offence at the word holocaust, but i can see why— offence at the word holocaust, but i can see why certain people

pegged— but i can see why certain people ooggot it— but i can see why certain people ooggot it onto— but i can see why certain people pegged it onto that focus on not— pegged it onto that focus on no ono— pegged it onto that focus on that and see— pegged it onto that focus on that and see it— pegged it onto that focus on that and see it as that laden nono— that and see it as that laden nono nnon— that and see it as that laden word when actually there's a lot oinioosin— word when actually there's a lot oinioosin to— word when actually there's a lot obviously to be— word when actually there's a lot obviously to be said for what tno— obviously to be said for what tno-is— obviously to be said for what tno-is nnoi- obviously to be said for what the-is what he's- obviously to be said for what the is what he's talking the reality is what he's talking oioot. — the reality is what he's talking oioot. -yon— the reality is what he's talking about. -you raised- the reality is what he's talking about. -you raised it,- the reality is what he's talking about. : e about. since you raised it, i mean, obviously, andrew, you were someone else and in were quoting someone else and in fact, you were quoting a on the on twitter, apparently , you you on twitter, apparently, you you tweet it, you own it. so i can onoonstono— tweet it, you own it. so i can understand that. _ tweet it, you own it. so i can understand that. yes,- tweet it, you own it. so i can understand that. yes, i- e . so i can understand that. yes, i was i was retweeting_ understand that. yes, i was i was retweeting the comments of a senior cardiologist— was retweeting the comments of a senior cardiologist who said not— senior cardiologist who said no tno— senior cardiologist who said that the vaccine _ senior cardiologist who said that the vaccine rollout was the iiggost— that the vaccine rollout was the tiggost nnno— that the vaccine rollout was the biggest crime against humanity sinoo— biggest crime against humanity tno— biggest crime against humanity since the holocaust. so using tnot— since the holocaust. so using no os— since the holocaust. so using no os o— since the holocaust. so using that as a time— since the holocaust. so using that as a time line not to ioiittiing— that as a time line not to belittling the— that as a time line not to belittling the holocaust or tonying— belittling the holocaust or tonying tno — belittling the holocaust or denying the holocaust, but using it os— denying the holocaust, but using it os o— denying the holocaust, but using it as a reference— denying the holocaust, but using it as a reference point, since an it as a reference point, since on ono— it as a reference point, since on not i— it as a reference point, since on not i nos— it as a reference point, since an and i was retweeting with not— an and i was retweeting with no o— an and i was retweeting with no o oooon— an and i was retweeting with that a paper from a doctor of onininoiogn— that a paper from a doctor of criminology from _ that a paper from a doctor of criminology from the hebrew tininonsitn— criminology from the hebrew nninonsitn oi— criminology from the hebrew university of jerusalem . i've university of jerusalem. i've not— university of jerusalem. i've not n,— university of jerusalem. i've not n, soio— university of jerusalem. i've had it, said more— university of jerusalem. i've had it, said more than once that no good— had it, said more than once that no good toot— had it, said more than once that no good deed goes— had it, said more than once that no good deed goes unpunished . no good deed goes unpunished. do no good deed goes unpunished. i>o yon— no good deed goes unpunished. in you think— no good deed goes unpunished. do you think you're— no good deed goes unpunished. do you think you're on- no good deed goes unpunished. do you think you're on the- do you think you're on the receiving end of punishment because you have taken it upon yourself to say what others won't, even though those others

know that what you're saying is right? yes. and i think it's not ontn— right? yes. and i think it's not onin o— right? yes. and i think it's not only a punishment— ” q7 yes. and i think it's not only a punishment for me, ” g37 yes. and i think it's not only a punishment for me, it's an only a punishment for me, it's on example— only a punishment for me, it's an example for— only a punishment for me, it's an example for others . if you an example for others. if you ioiion— an example for others. if you ioiion tno — an example for others. if you follow the same— an example for others. if you follow the same line as andrew oniogon— follow the same line as andrew nniogon. you— follow the same line as andrew bridgen, you will— follow the same line as andrew bridgen, you will you'll get the same treatment— bridgen, you will you'll get the same treatment and there's a gononoi— same treatment and there's a general election— same treatment and there's a general election coming up in the general election coming up in too nont— general election coming up in too not to— general election coming up in the next 12 months, almost oonoinin— the next 12 months, almost oonoinin .— the next 12 months, almost certainly . and,— the next 12 months, almost certainly . and, you know , certainly. and, you know, oottoogoos— certainly. and, you know, colleagues are- certainly. and, you know, colleagues are rather keen to get— colleagues are rather keen to get reselected _ colleagues are rather keen to get reselected for their seats. cioonin— get reselected for their seats. cioonin i— get reselected for their seats. clearly i wasn't— get reselected for their seats. clearly i wasn't going to be nosoiootoo— clearly i wasn't going to be reselected because i had the win— reselected because i had the whip suspended.— reselected because i had the whip suspended. now i've been expelled— whip suspended. now i've been expelled inon — whip suspended. now i've been expelled from the— whip suspended. now i've been expelled from the party and sonoioon— expelled from the party and somebody else— expelled from the party and somebody else will be standing as a conservative— somebody else will be standing as a conservative candidate in my oonstitnonon— as a conservative candidate in my constituency . �*vni�*33 9:3 39 as a conservative candidate in my constituency . 9:3 39 my constituency. what's going to come back to continue this conversation a couple of conversation in a couple of minutes, another break is minutes, but another break is upon so bear with and i'll upon us. so bear with and i'll see you again in 2 or

on gb news the people's channel. onitoin— on gb news the people's channel. onitoin is— on gb news the people's channel. britain is watching— on gb news the people's channel. britain is watching .— on gb news the people's channel. britain is watching . welcome britain is watching. welcome toot— britain is watching. welcome took to— britain is watching. welcome took to not— britain is watching. welcome back to neil oliver live, where we're continuing— back to neil oliver live, where we're continuing to talk to mp ontnon— we're continuing to talk to mp andrew bridgen— we're continuing to talk to mp andrew bridgen . '3t: we're continuing to talk to mp andrew bridgen . ' 3t: e’3t:3;"n:3; andrew bridgen. andrew, is there a precedent for this? has a has

a precedent for this? has a has a sitting mp been ostracised by the house in this way for a point of principle ? i don't point of principle? i don't think so . point of principle? i don't think so. i've made- 3tt. 7 i don't think so. i've made my 3tt. 7 i don't think so . i've made my views point of principle? i don't- think so . i've made my views on think so. i've made my views on the think so. i've made my views on too oiiiooon— think so. i've made my views on the efficacy and— think so. i've made my views on the efficacy and safety of the vaccines clear— the efficacy and safety of the vaccines clear based on soiontiiio— vaccines clear based on scientific evidence, which i've oinons— scientific evidence, which i've oinoys nnon — scientific evidence, which i've always, when i've— scientific evidence, which i've always, when i've given those soooonos— always, when i've given those soooonos i.— always, when i've given those soooonos ., i— always, when i've given those speeches, i, i know it's controversial. - speeches, i, i know it's controversial. i know i'll get ontoo— controversial. i know i'll get oiotoo oo— controversial. i know i'll get oiotoo no i— controversial. i know i'll get oiotoo no it i— controversial. i know i'll get picked up if i don't get the science right.— picked up if i don't get the science right. you know , my team science right. you know, my team noioosoo— science right. you know, my team noioosoo o— science right. you know, my team released a press— science right. you know, my team released a press pack with 32 soiontiiio— released a press pack with 32 scientific papers— released a press pack with 32 scientific papers i've quoted in tnon.— scientific papers i've quoted in tnon. nno— scientific papers i've quoted in them. and all— scientific papers i've quoted in them. and all that happens is not— them. and all that happens is no tno— them. and all that happens is that the mainstream media just ignono— that the mainstream media just ignono tno— that the mainstream media just ignore the speech— that the mainstream media just ignore the speech altogether iooooso— ignore the speech altogether iooooso tnon— ignore the speech altogether because they can't take it ooon. — because they can't take it ooon. lis— because they can't take it apart. is unprecedented for apart. it is unprecedented for an apart. it is unprecedented for on nn— apart. it is unprecedented for on no to— apart. it is unprecedented for on no to to— apart. it is unprecedented for an mp to be expelled effectively for an mp to be expelled effectively ion noting— an mp to be expelled effectively ion noning o— an mp to be expelled effectively for having a view— an mp to be expelled effectively for having a view and we're we're in amazing, amazing times. it's we're in amazing, amazing times. its not— we're in amazing, amazing times. its not os— we're in amazing, amazing times. its not os ii— we're in amazing, amazing times. it's not as if mrna_ we're in amazing, amazing times. it's not as if mrna vaccine oiiiooon— it's not as if mrna vaccine oiiioooy nos— it's not as if mrna vaccine efficacy was in— it's not as if mrna vaccine efficacy was in our manifesto. it efficacy was in our manifesto. it osnt— efficacy was in our manifesto. it osnt it— efficacy was in our manifesto. it wasn't it wasn't— efficacy was in our manifesto. it wasn't it wasn't in our noniiosto— it wasn't it wasn't in our manifesto in— it wasn't it wasn't in our manifesto in 2019, which seems a non— manifesto in 2019, which seems a non iong— manifesto in 2019, which seems a non tong timo— manifesto in 2019, which seems a non tong tino ogo— manifesto in 2019, which seems a very long time ago now . ash; very long time ago now. we keep otnost— very long time ago now. we keep we're almost in danger of losing sight of the fact that what you were asking for was a debate about about vaccine injured. and there no that people

there is no doubt that people have hurt and killed by the have been hurt and killed by the vaccines you wanted a vaccines and that you wanted a debate about excess deaths. will that debate that want ever that debate that you want ever happen not it's not happen on its not it's not happening. i've been asking for five happening. i've been asking for iino nontns— happening. i've been asking for five months for— happening. i've been asking for five months for a— 39 i've been asking for five months for a debate on excess deaths— five months for a debate on excess deaths which are oiiooting— excess deaths which are affecting my— excess deaths which are affecting my constituents and every— affecting my constituents and onon otnon— affecting my constituents and every other constituency, every community— every other constituency, every community across— every other constituency, every community across the land . i community across the land. i nont— community across the land. i wont oonn— community across the land. i went down to— community across the land. i went down to the— community across the land. i went down to the labour end of the went down to the labour end of to too— went down to the labour end of to too noonn— went down to the labour end of the tea room and— went down to the labour end of the tea room and said, come on guys,— the tea room and said, come on guys ii— the tea room and said, come on guys. it you— the tea room and said, come on guys. it you sign— the tea room and said, come on guys, if you sign up to this, noti— guys, if you sign up to this, not got— guys, if you sign up to this, we'll get this— guys, if you sign up to this, we'll get this debate. you could stono— we'll get this debate. you could stono oo— we'll get this debate. you could stono oo in— we'll get this debate. you could stand up in that— we'll get this debate. you could stand up in that chamber and say,— stand up in that chamber and son its— stand up in that chamber and soy. it-s ott— stand up in that chamber and say, it's all those— stand up in that chamber and say, it's all those horrible ionos— say, it's all those horrible tories fault. _ say, it's all those horrible tories fault. they've ruined the nns.—got- tories fault. they've ruined the. nns.—got tnoso nhs. that's why we've got these excess - and they - nhs. that's why we've got these excess and they just excess deaths and they just iootoo— excess deaths and they just iootoo ot— excess deaths and they just looked at me— excess deaths and they just looked at me blankly and said, noo-no— looked at me blankly and said, noo-no-tno— looked at me blankly and said, you've-the wrong- you've come to the wrong pub, we oon-t—oioot- you've come to the wrong pub, we don't—about this. - don't want to talk about this. nno— don't want to talk about this. no its— don't want to talk about this. no its not— don't want to talk about this. and it's not just— don't want to talk about this. and it's not just happening in our parliament,— and it's not just happening in our parliament, these excess our parliament, but these excess oootns— our parliament, but these excess ooons—nnono- our parliament, but these excess| deaths—where the deaths are everywhere where the vaccine - rolled - deaths are everywhere where the vaccine - rolled out - deaths are everywhere where the vaccine rolled out and vaccine has been rolled out and tnoso— vaccine has been rolled out and those debates— vaccine has been rolled out and those debates are— vaccine has been rolled out and those debates are not happening in-oi— those debates are not happening in-oi tnoso— those debates are not happening in of those parliaments in any of those parliaments oitnon— in any of those parliaments oitnon .— in any of those parliaments either .-we're- in any of those parliaments either . we're very, very either. and we're in very, very stnongo— either. and we're in very, very strange times. _ either. and we're in very, very strange times. are— either. and we're in very, very strange times. are the consequences are just too big. are consequences are just too big. no ono— consequences are just too big. no tioso— consequences are just too big. are are those people- consequences are just too big. are are those people who- consequences are just too big. are are those people who who've spoken out in favour of and who continue to trot out the stuff about safe and effective? do

they just realise that they now just have no option but to double down and keep going? because to admit the mistake would have consequences that they didn't think about? i think i think there's some of that. there's certainly certainly some of there's certainly certainly some oi tnot. — there's certainly certainly some of that. there's— there's certainly certainly some of that. there's a— there's certainly certainly some of that. there's a lot of ootitiooi— of that. there's a lot of political capital being put toning— political capital being put behind the— political capital being put behind the vaccine and the notion.— behind the vaccine and the rollout. and— behind the vaccine and the rollout. and that's not just in tno— rollout. and that's not just in too gononning— rollout. and that's not just in the governing conservative nonn— the governing conservative nonn inot-s— the governing conservative party. that's across the whole nooso— party. that's across the whole nooso oi— party. that's across the whole house of commons. there was only a house of commons. there was only o nonoioi— house of commons. there was only o nonoioi oi— house of commons. there was only o nonoioi oi os— house of commons. there was only a handful of us conservative backbenchers_ a handful of us conservative backbenchers who opposed any of the backbenchers who opposed any of too tootoonn— backbenchers who opposed any of the lockdown responses. and the oonoonio— the lockdown responses. and the pandemic response measures and noo-no— pandemic response measures and yon-no sooing— pandemic response measures and yon-no sooing it— pandemic response measures and you're seeing it across across tno— you're seeing it across across to nonio. — you're seeing it across across to nonio. its— you're seeing it across across the world. it's bizarre. it's a tnonostn— the world. it's bizarre. it's a tnonostn oi— the world. it's bizarre. it's a travesty of democracy. it's the oioonont— travesty of democracy. it's the oioonont in— travesty of democracy. it's the elephant in the— travesty of democracy. it's the elephant in the room which no nit— elephant in the room which no one will talk— elephant in the room which no one will talk about . �*vni�*33 one will talk about. what about the bigger picture ? you know, the bigger picture? you know, i've in some respects, i've moved on from from covid and the products marketed as vaccines because i see them as having

been the thin end of a wedge. do you see a way in which all of this behaviour, this misbehaviour fits into something that involves us, you know, 15 minute cities, digital ids, central bank, digital currency as well? i don't remember any of those things being in our manifesto in 2019. they certainly they- 333 3 �*ql they certainly they weren't , but certainly they weren't, but tnon-no— certainly they weren't, but tnoy-no ott— certainly they weren't, but they're all coming in and it's onozing— they're all coming in and it's onozing tnot— they're all coming in and it's amazing that whatever klaus sonnoi— amazing that whatever klaus schwab announces that his osoinotions— schwab announces that his aspirations are— schwab announces that his aspirations are erg. it's nooooning— aspirations are erg. it's happening across all the so—ooitoo— happening across all the so—called democracies of the nonio. — so—called democracies of the nonio. nt— so—called democracies of the world. at the _ so—called democracies of the world. at the same time , we're world. at the same time, we're in iootstoo— world. at the same time, we're in lockstep with— world. at the same time, we're in lockstep with our response is to tno— in lockstep with our response is to the pandemic— in lockstep with our response is to the pandemic .— in lockstep with our response is to the pandemic. i— in lockstep with our response is to the pandemic. i mean, not every— to the pandemic. i mean, not onon no— to the pandemic. i mean, not onon no oon-t— to the pandemic. i mean, not every we can't all— to the pandemic. i mean, not every we can't all excuse them. they— every we can't all excuse them. tnon oion-t— every we can't all excuse them. they didn't all— every we can't all excuse them. they didn't all have someone as inoonootont— they didn't all have someone as incompetent as— they didn't all have someone as incompetent as matt hancock at the incompetent as matt hancock at too oooonnont— incompetent as matt hancock at the department of— incompetent as matt hancock at the department of health. he osnt— the department of health. he wasn't running— the department of health. he wasn't running it— the department of health. he wasn't running it in america , wasn't running it in america, conooo— wasn't running it in america, conooo on— wasn't running it in america, canada or australia and new zooiono— canada or australia and new zealand-rest- canada or australia and new zealand-rest of- canada or australia and new zealand rest of europe zealand and the rest of europe nos-not— zealand and the rest of europe was-but-response- zealand and the rest of europe was but response was was he. but the response was oxootin— was he. but the response was oonio-sono— was he. but the response was exactly same. and if it's up exactly the same. and if it's up or exactly the same. and if it's up on oonsoinoon— exactly the same. and if it's up on oonsoinooy .— exactly the same. and if it's up or conspiracy , you're asking us or conspiracy, you're asking us to ioiiono— or conspiracy, you're asking us to believe that— or conspiracy, you're asking us to believe that it's a up in every— to believe that it's a up in onon singto—

to believe that it's a up in every single democracy, about the every single democracy, about tno sono— every single democracy, about the same issue— every single democracy, about the same issue at— every single democracy, about the same issue at same time. the same issue at the same time. it the same issue at the same time. it sonos— the same issue at the same time. it sounds rather— the same issue at the same time. it sounds rather more coordinated- it sounds rather more coordinated than that, doesn't it? coordinated than that, doesn't tin—tnon- coordinated than that, doesn't it?_that, julia,- it? did you feel that, julia, iost— it? did you feel that, julia, iost ost— it? did you feel that, julia, inst ost yon— it? did you feel that, julia, just ask you, did you did you tnint— just ask you, did you did you tnint tnono— just ask you, did you did you think there was— just ask you, did you did you think there was a— just ask you, did you did you think there was a sense which think there was a sense in which you— think there was a sense in which not noo— think there was a sense in which not noo-tno— think there was a sense in which you were -the same- think there was a sense in which you were the same words you were hearing the same words all you were hearing the same words oti ot— you were hearing the same words oti ot tno— you were hearing the same words all at the same— you were hearing the same words all at the same time all over tno— all at the same time all over to nonto— all at the same time all over the world build— all at the same time all over the world build better ? the world build back better? noon. — the world build back better? noon. i— the world build back better? noon. i noon— the world build back better? yeah. i mean, to— the world build back better? yeah. i mean, to some- the world build back better? yeah. i mean, to some degree, i mean, i think i think i don't i think it was mostly in our country, certainly a lot of incompetence. i don't think there was an evil master plan from from where i'm looking, it looked like massive looked like just massive incompetence and ups every step of the way. we mentioned matt hancock that certainly is hancock and that certainly is true. you're right. it true. but yeah, you're right. it does seem very coordinated. it does seem very coordinated. it does to happened in does seem to have happened in all of democratic all the sort of democratic countries world. feel countries of the world. i feel at moment. i don't know at the moment. i don't know about you, but i feel that it's almost all over almost like brexit all over again. the vaccinated again. there's the vaccinated and unvaccinated we're and the unvaccinated and we're all each other all sort of blaming each other at other. so it's another at each other. so it's another divide and thing, i think. divide and rule thing, i think. and think that's worry in and i think that's a worry in itself. you know as well as fighting the good fight, trying to find about excess deaths, to find out about excess deaths, about, you know, getting proper medical into that, medical research done into that, how stop this divide how do we stop this divide

between all? it's almost like between us all? it's almost like a civil war the vaccine and a civil war of the vaccine and the vaccinated each the vaccinated against each other. are we to do, other. what are we to do, andrew? i mean, what is the ooint— andrew? i mean, what is the ooint oi— andrew? i mean, what is the ooint oi nits— andrew? i mean, what is the point of mps if— andrew? i mean, what is the point of mps if they- '3t: 7 i mean, what is the point of mps if they won't ooioto— point of mps if they won't debate and— point of mps if they won't debate and it's- point of mps if they won't debate and it's parliament itsoii— debate and it's parliament itsoii iii— debate and it's parliament itself fit for— debate and it's parliament itself fit for purpose ? itself fit for purpose? parliament— itself fit for purpose? parliament is- itself fit for purpose? parliament is not- itself fit for purpose? parliament is not serving the people well at the moment . you people well at the moment. you know, i've been asking again for a debate for many months on the w.h.o. a debate for many months on the who. post pandemic preparation w.h.o. post pandemic preparation treatment treaty and also the changes to the international health regulations. i didn't get that, but that was that was only achieved by public petition of 156,000. we had that debate a week or or so ago. and it's clear that the opposition parties and the government are going to push this through. and if you thought we were losing sovereignty by being in the european union, it's got nothing on on on the powers that that dr. tedros is going to have at the w.h.o. dr. tedros is going to have at the who. to call a pandemic. and take control of everything that goes on in this country and across the world that that that

you have just said is roundly challenged. people say, no, no, the sovereignty— challenged. people say, no, no, the sovereignty will— 9 people say, no, no, the sovereignty will still rest nitn— the sovereignty will still rest with parliament. with the british parliament. now:— with the british parliament.- non—toot now, you're shaking your head if you-nood— now, you're shaking your head if noo-ooo tno— now, you're shaking your head if you read the treaty. you read read the treaty. i mean, when you- you read read the treaty. i mean, when you when. you read read the treaty. i mean, when you when the original treaties with the who. were known binding, i mean, in the new treaty , non binding is new treaty, non binding is crossed out. and i think it's clause 13 a is included which says that all countries and governments are to comply with the regulations . so you're going the regulations. so you're going to have one person who's not really qualified . and i think if really qualified. and i think if you look at the track record of deaung you look at the track record of dealing and advising with the last pandemic, which according to is still carrying on, to them, is still carrying on, we'd still be in a in a public health emergency of international concern both international concern for both covid and monkeypox. so they'd be keeping the powers. you've got an unelected, unaccountable body, who don't pay body, the who. who don't pay tax them and their families have political immunity from prosecution. i can't think of a more unaccountable whole world government to have in control. and they not only decide when they're going to have an emergency , which could be about

emergency, which could be about the environment or co2 levels or an animal disease or a risk of a human pathogen , they'll also human pathogen, they'll also decide when it's over. and i think it'll be a very long time before they ever return powers to parliament. and do you to our parliament. and do you see future whereby see a future whereby our government , parliament would government, our parliament would just the diktats that just submit to the diktats that were coming out ? if we agree to were coming out? if we agree to if we agree to these treaty changes and that will be in the next probably six months, we have effectively made our democracy redundant. there won't be really much point being down in westminster because i can just see one pandemic emergency after another and all powers being taken by the who, which is an arm of the un, and mysteriously, you know , 86, 84% mysteriously, you know, 86, 84% funded by private enterprise again, and individual donations. and that buys them huge lobbying power. we've seen all this with our own health regulators in the uk with will you stand again? because as i understand it, you-no— because as i understand it, yon-no ioon— because as i understand it, yon-no ioon o— because as i understand it, you've been a very popular constituency— you've been a very popular constituency mp. you know , i

constituency mp. you know, i noon— constituency mp. you know, i too gooni— constituency mp. you know, i hear good things— constituency mp. you know, i hear good things about the stonoono— hear good things about the standard of— hear good things about the standard of living and the way of standard of living and the way oi tnings— standard of living and the way oi tnings ono— standard of living and the way of things and your constituency. initi— of things and your constituency. niii non— of things and your constituency. niti yon. yon-no— of things and your constituency. will you, you've come a long way togotnon. — will you, you've come a long way togotnon. initi— will you, you've come a long way together. will you— will you, you've come a long way together. will you stand as i win. — together. will you stand as i win. i— together. will you stand as i win. i nit.— together. will you stand as i will. i will. i— together. will you stand as i will. i will. i will- together. will you stand as i will. i will. i will stand at the next general election whenever is. and future whenever that is. and my future will, as be in the hands will, as always, be in the hands of my electorate. and that's called democracy. yeah > what is the outsized paperclip_ f: 333 3:33 3 > what is the outsized paperclip you're nooning— the outsized paperclip you're nooning on— the outsized paperclip you're wearing on lapel? i had the wearing on your lapel? i had the otoosono— wearing on your lapel? i had the otoosno to— wearing on your lapel? i had the pleasure to speak— wearing on your lapel? i had the pleasure to speak a fortnight toooy— pleasure to speak a fortnight too in— pleasure to speak a fortnight today in stavanger in norway at the today in stavanger in norway at too soons— today in stavanger in norway at too soon by— today in stavanger in norway at the sponsor by the _ today in stavanger in norway at the sponsor by the children's noonn— the sponsor by the children's nooitn .— the sponsor by the children's health , defence— the sponsor by the children's health , defence and apparently i health, defence and apparently i was health, defence and apparently i ginon— health, defence and apparently i ginon tnis— health, defence and apparently i was given this by— health, defence and apparently i was given this by the norwegians ioiono— was given this by the norwegians ioiono tno— was given this by the norwegians before the second— was given this by the norwegians before the second world war. they— before the second world war. inoy innontoo— before the second world war. they invented the— before the second world war. they invented the paperclip and they wore it as a sign of resistance to the german occupation during the war years. so they handed me this paperclip and said, you're a member of the resistance and i wear it with pride. member of the resistance . ontnon— pride. member of the resistance . andrew bridgen— 9:3. member of the resistance . andrew bridgen mp, thank 93 member of the resistance . andrew bridgen mp, thank you so-ion— . andrew bridgen mp, thank you so-ion ooning— . andrew bridgen mp, thank you so -for coming i i'm - . andrew bridgen mp, thank you so for coming i'm glad so much for coming in. i'm glad we so much for coming in. i'm glad no-oooononity- so much for coming in. i'm glad no-oooononity to- so much for coming in. i'm glad we opportunity to have a we had the opportunity to have a iongtny— we had the opportunity to have a lengthy conversation about what is a lengthy conversation about what is o son-ooi— lengthy conversation about what is a subject close— lengthy conversation about what

is a subject close my heart. is a subject close to my heart. nno— is a subject close to my heart. ant oo— is a subject close to my heart. ant way— is a subject close to my heart. ant way on— is a subject close to my heart. and one way or another we'll nono— and one way or another we'll too to— and one way or another we'll too to too— and one way or another we'll have to keep pushing asking have to keep pushing and asking the have to keep pushing and asking tno-ono— have to keep pushing and asking the-and seeking- have to keep pushing and asking the and seeking the the questions and seeking the answers. thank— the questions and seeking the answers. thank you very much. inont— answers. thank you very much. inontl— answers. thank you very much. inontl coming— answers. thank you very much. thank-. coming up- answers. thank you very much. thank . coming up next, we'll thank you. coming up next, we'll be thank you. coming up next, we'll to ioinoo— thank you. coming up next, we'll to ioinoo by— thank you. coming up next, we'll to ioinoo by oo— thank you. coming up next, we'll be joined by one of— thank you. coming up next, we'll be joined by one of the original oinons— be joined by one of the original oinons on— be joined by one of the original divers on the— be joined by one of the original divers on the wreck of the mary itoso— divers on the wreck of the mary itoso to — divers on the wreck of the mary itoso to tott— divers on the wreck of the mary rose to talk about— divers on the wreck of the mary rose to talk about what it was ootooitn— rose to talk about what it was actually-raising- rose to talk about what it was actually raising the ship actually like raising the ship tnon—ono- actually like raising the ship from—and how. actually like raising the ship from—and how ai actually like raising the ship- from_and how a new from the seabed and how a new innonsno— from the seabed and how a new immersive experience at the museum now able to show museum is now able to show nisitons— museum is now able to show nisitons nnoi— museum is now able to show visitors what it— museum is now able to show visitors what it would have been tino— visitors what it would have been iito ion— visitors what it would have been iito ion tno— visitors what it would have been like for the divers— visitors what it would have been like for the divers the time. like for the divers at the time. noti— like for the divers at the time. no-ii-iooting- like for the divers at the time. we'll-looking at- like for the divers at the time. we'll looking at some of we'll also be looking at some of the we'll also be looking at some of too onoioots— we'll also be looking at some of the artefacts recently recovered tnon—go- the artefacts recently recovered. from _go anywhere

welcome back to neil oliver live ino — welcome back to neil oliver live ino non— welcome back to neil oliver live ino non itoso— welcome back to neil oliver live ino non itoso o— welcome back to neil oliver live the mary rose a purpose built inton— the mary rose a purpose built tudor warship— the mary rose a purpose built tudor warship that saw action tnnoo — tudor warship that saw action across three decades sank in the soon— across three decades sank in the soiont in— across three decades sank in the solent in 1545.— across three decades sank in the solent in 1545. the— across three decades sank in the solent in 1545. the wreck was ioono— solent in 1545. the wreck was ioono in— solent in 1545. the wreck was found in 1971— solent in 1545. the wreck was found in 1971 and— solent in 1545. the wreck was found in 1971 and then raised in found in1971 and then raised in ioon— found in1971 and then raised in ioon in— found in1971 and then raised in ioon in oo— found in 1971 and then raised in 1982. in one of— found in1971 and then raised in 1982. in one of the— found in 1971 and then raised in 1982. in one of the most complicated— 1982. in one of the most complicated maritime salvage oiions— complicated maritime salvage oiions oon— complicated maritime salvage efforts ever attempted . and all efforts ever attempted. and all tnoso— efforts ever attempted. and all tnoso years— efforts ever attempted. and all these years later,— efforts ever attempted. and all these years later, she's still giving— these years later, she's still giving oi— these years later, she's still giving oi non— these years later, she's still giving of her secrets , enabling giving of her secrets, enabling

us to— giving of her secrets, enabling us to understand _ giving of her secrets, enabling us to understand more and more oioot— us to understand more and more oioot tno— us to understand more and more about the world— us to understand more and more about the world from which she . sno— about the world from which she came . she still— about the world from which she came . she still attracts crowds came. she still attracts crowds to non— came. she still attracts crowds to non onnooso— came. she still attracts crowds to her purpose built museum in nistonio— to her purpose built museum in historic dockyards_ to her purpose built museum in historic dockyards in portsmouth and historic dockyards in portsmouth not no— historic dockyards in portsmouth ono o— historic dockyards in portsmouth and now a new 4d— historic dockyards in portsmouth and now a new 4d cinema oooiono— and now a new 4d cinema experience voiced by actor ross nono— experience voiced by actor ross nono. nno— experience voiced by actor ross kemp, who recently dived the sito— kemp, who recently dived the site himself,— kemp, who recently dived the site himself, will— kemp, who recently dived the site himself, will add to the oxoitonont— site himself, will add to the excitement of _ site himself, will add to the excitement of the experience of ioing— excitement of the experience of ioing nitn— excitement of the experience of toing nitn non.— excitement of the experience of being with her. let's have a toot— being with her. let's have a toot. — being with her. let's have a toot. dino.— being with her. let's have a look . dive. the- being with her. let's have a look . “j ii33 being with her. let's have a look. “j m33 1 being with her. let's have a look . “j m33 1 ”3 “j being with her. let's have a- look . dive. the mary rose 4d . look. dive. the mary rose 4d. it's as if you were there . the it's as if you were there. the bubbles come down. i don't want to give it away, but there's smells. the shuddering. you actually feel like you're diving. i think there's 4d experience. we've created is iontostio— experience. we've created is fantastic. when _ experience. we've created is fantastic. when i— ti;3ti.t:3; we've created is fantastic. when i saw ti;3ti.ti. we've created is fantastic. when i saw this for tno— fantastic. when i saw this for too inst— fantastic. when i saw this for the first time,— fantastic. when i saw this for the first time, i— fantastic. when i saw this for the first time, i cried because it son— the first time, i cried because it sont oi— the first time, i cried because it sort of relived_ the first time, i cried because it sort of relived that experience - it sort of relived that experience .- it sort of relived that experience . hence, it will experience. hence, it will ottnoot— experience. hence, it will attract people _ experience. hence, it will attract people who don't nonnoin— attract people who don't nonnotn go— attract people who don't normally go to museums to really get normally go to museums to really got tno— normally go to museums to really got too toot— normally go to museums to really got too iooi oi— normally go to museums to really get the feel of what— normally go to museums to really get the feel of what it's like giving — get the feel of what it's like dining on— get the feel of what it's like diving on the— get the feel of what it's like diving on the mary rose, nnoononng— diving on the mary rose, uncovering things . joining me uncovering things. joining me to— uncovering things. joining me to tott— uncovering things. joining me now to talk about the wonder of it oii— now to talk about the wonder of it oii oo— now to talk about the wonder of it all are alex— now to talk about the wonder of it all are alex hildred, head of research and— it all are alex hildred, head of research and also— it all are alex hildred, head of research and also curator of onononoo— research and also curator of onononoo ono— research and also curator of ordnance and human remains and ceo ordnance and human remains and

cm oi— ordnance and human remains and cm oi tno— ordnance and human remains and cm oi to non— ordnance and human remains and ceo of the mary rose museum. dominio— ceo of the mary rose museum. dominic ionos— ceo of the mary rose museum. dominic ionos .— ceo of the mary rose museum. dominic jones. it's— ceo of the mary rose museum. dominic jones. it's great- ceo of the mary rose museum. dominic jones. it's great to- dominic jones. it's great to have you with me . great to have have you with me. great to have these guests with me, too. ross kemp was i could understand him being the voice, but i didn't realise that he'd been actually personally involved in the dive . kyiv yes, he picked up these tno— . kyiv yes, he picked up these two oiiocts— . kyiv yes, he picked up these two objects that— kyiv yes, he picked up these two objects that we've got . i two objects that we've got. i oon-t— two objects that we've got. i oont-soo— two objects that we've got. i oont-soo n,- two objects that we've got. i don't-see it, but- two objects that we've got. i don't see it, but in don't really see it, but in nono— don't really see it, but in here, can you— don't really see it, but in here, can you lift them out of tno— here, can you lift them out of too tnon— here, can you lift them out of the tray, maybe? _ here, can you lift them out of the tray, maybe? “33 3 the tray, maybe? yeah. so what are we dealing with there? well, that's a piece of a pot, but that's a piece of a pot, but that's the sort of thing very, very similar to the mary rose ones. yeah. and so we will have it onooonin— ones. yeah. and so we will have it properly totoo— ones. yeah. and so we will have it properly dated but— yeah. and so we will have it properly dated but it's so nos— it properly dated but it's so no moting— it properly dated but it's so he's making a— it properly dated but it's so he's making a serious contribution- he's making a serious contribution to that. yes, he is. not— contribution to that. yes, he is. not tnis— contribution to that. yes, he is. but this is— contribution to that. yes, he is. but this is this is surface tino.— is. but this is this is surface iino. so— is. but this is this is surface iino. so no— is. but this is this is surface fine. so we obviously aren't onconoting— fine. so we obviously aren't excavating at— fine. so we obviously aren't excavating at the moment and not— excavating at the moment and tin iost— excavating at the moment and tin iost to— excavating at the moment and that just to show— excavating at the moment and that just to show the variety is a pipe— that just to show the variety is o oioo stom — that just to show the variety is ooioo stom on— that just to show the variety is o oioo stom on o— that just to show the variety is a pipe stem or a pipe bowl notion.— a pipe stem or a pipe bowl notnon. int— a pipe stem or a pipe bowl rather, but just— a pipe stem or a pipe bowl rather, but just to show that got— rather, but just to show that we've got later— rather, but just to show that we've got later things as well. noooio— we've got later things as well. pebble tnint— we've got later things as well. people think of— we've got later things as well. people think of just tudor. people think of just the tudor. non— people think of just the tudor. non-not— people think of just the tudor. non-notinoo- people think of just the tudor. mary-but.had to- people think of just the tudor. mary but had to excavate mary rose but we had to excavate tnnoogn— mary rose but we had to excavate tnnoogn-motnos— mary rose but we had to excavate through-metres of— mary rose but we had to excavate through metres of sediment through two metres of sediment in-oiocos— through two metres of sediment in-oiocos in— through two metres of sediment in-places in order- through two metres of sediment in places in order to get in some places in order to get to tno— in some places in order to get to too -ioyon. — in some places in order to get to the-layer. .we- in some places in order to get to the layer. we have to the tudor layer. so we have got— to the tudor layer. so we have gotlnogo— to the tudor layer. so we have gotlhuge number— to the tudor layer. so we have got huge number of objects got a huge number of objects

nnicn— got a huge number of objects nnicn oo— got a huge number of objects which are-tudor,- got a huge number of objects which are tudor, which are which are post tudor, which are non— which are post tudor, which are tnono- — which are post tudor, which are tnono- imo- which are post tudor, which are tnono- lmonon- which are post tudor, which are. there- .me, you know, there as well. to me, you know, there as well. to me, you know, the idea of a 4d cinema experience , i'm sure that will experience, i'm sure that will add hugely to to the to it add hugely to to the the to it all. but it's with mary all. but it's being with mary rose, i think is a real visceral experience, is it not? it's actually being beside her and knowing that she comes from half a millennium ago . well, i knowing that she comes from half a millennium ago. well, i think you-no— a millennium ago. well, i think yon-no got— a millennium ago. well, i think yon-no got tno— 33 e. 9 well, i think you've got the experience of ioing— you've got the experience of toing tnono— you've got the experience of being there and— you've got the experience of being there and almost sort of toocning— being there and almost sort of touching history— being there and almost sort of touching history and smelling the touching history and smelling to non— touching history and smelling to non itoso— touching history and smelling the mary rose and looking at the non— the mary rose and looking at the non noso.— the mary rose and looking at the non itoso. not— the mary rose and looking at the mary rose. but then with the tino.— mary rose. but then with the tino. tno — mary rose. but then with the tino. to non— mary rose. but then with the dive, the mary rose 4d, you get the dive, the mary rose 4d, you get too sonso— dive, the mary rose 4d, you get too to— dive, the mary rose 4d, you get the sense to feel— dive, the mary rose 4d, you get the sense to feel what it was tino— the sense to feel what it was iito to— the sense to feel what it was iito to tino— the sense to feel what it was like to dive over— the sense to feel what it was like to dive over 500 volunteers, - like to dive over 500 volunteers, divers. you were one of volunteers, divers. you were one ontnons.— volunteers, divers. you were one oi-oinons. aton— volunteers, divers. you were one of-divers, alex and- volunteers, divers. you were one of divers, alex and they you of the divers, alex and they you get of the divers, alex and they you got tnot— of the divers, alex and they you got no sonso— of the divers, alex and they you get that sense of— of the divers, alex and they you get that sense of with get that sense of being with the sim— get that sense of being with the snio-gotting— get that sense of being with the ship getting presence. ship and getting that presence. but ship and getting that presence. not oiso— ship and getting that presence. but also with— ship and getting that presence. but also with the— ship and getting that presence. but also with the 4d, the sense to to— but also with the 4d, the sense to to tno— but also with the 4d, the sense to do the diving— but also with the 4d, the sense to do the diving as— but also with the 4d, the sense to do the diving as well. so its— to do the diving as well. so its-oi— to do the diving as well. so its-oi o— to do the diving as well. so it's-of a-bit- to do the diving as well. so it's-of a-bit of. to do the diving as well. so. it's-of a-bit of both. it's kind of a nice bit of both. in — it's kind of a nice bit of both. in tooting— it's kind of a nice bit of both. in tooting ot— it's kind of a nice bit of both. i'm looking at that— it's kind of a nice bit of both. i'm looking at that wooden block and struggle ing to accept that it's you're telling me it's as old as you're telling me it's as old as you're telling me it is the condition it. well, it is the condition of it. well, that's the that's the same with most of the wood. unless it's onoosoci— most of the wood. unless it's oooosoo. its— most of the wood. unless it's exposed, it's in— : unless it's exposed, it's in excellent condition.— exposed, it's in excellent condition. so— exposed, it's in excellent condition. so again, the stuff tnot-s— condition. so again, the stuff tnot-s-to— condition. so again, the stuff that's-to-surfacel condition. so again, the stuff. that's-to-surface and

that's closer to the surface and nooit— that's closer to the surface and would—exposed - that's closer to the surface and would exposed before would have been exposed before ioing— would have been exposed before toing coonoo— would have been exposed before being covered is— would have been exposed before being covered is not as good. not— being covered is not as good. not tnis— being covered is not as good. not tits is— being covered is not as good. but this is from _ being covered is not as good. but this is from the rigging area within— but this is from the rigging area within the— but this is from the rigging area within the hold of the sno— area within the hold of the snio. so. — area within the hold of the snio. so. so— area within the hold of the ship. so. so what function would not— ship. so. so what function would no octooitn— ship. so. so what function would that actually have? that's onnon— that actually have? that's potion-ion— that actually have? that's pulley for the rigging. pulley block for the rigging. so it's part of the rigging and got— so it's part of the rigging and got it— so it's part of the rigging and we've got 11 different 12 different _ we've got 11 different 12 different types and 100 different types and over 100 inoinioooi— different types and over 100 individual blocks. '3t: different types and over 100 individual blocks. 3: different types and over 100 individual blocks . ' 3: : individual blocks. and why does it remain in such condition? i suppose most people would think that would just that wood in water would just get and to nothing get soft and rot away to nothing because the sediments move across the carried by the tides, the sediments . when they went the sediments. when they went tno — the sediments. when they went tno non— the sediments. when they went over the mary rose— : when they went over the mary rose when was over the mary rose when she was on tno— over the mary rose when she was on too sooioo— over the mary rose when she was on the seabed at— over the mary rose when she was on the seabed at first went tnnoogn— on the seabed at first went tnnongn-ooon— on the seabed at first went through open gunports on the seabed at first went through-open gunports the through the open gunports on the stoo— through the open gunports on the sioo oi— through the open gunports on the sioo oi-snio— through the open gunports on the side of-ship that— through the open gunports on the side of ship that was above side of the ship that was above the side of the ship that was above tno—iiiioo— side of the ship that was above tno—iiiioo it- side of the ship that was above the _filled it quite. the seabed and filled it quite gnictin— the seabed and filled it quite quickly so— the seabed and filled it quite quickly. so we've— the seabed and filled it quite quickly. so we've got , you know, quickly. so we've got, you know, the quickly. so we've got, you know, too oiiocts— quickly. so we've got, you know, the objects from _ quickly. so we've got, you know, the objects from both sides of the objects from both sides of tno-ioii— the objects from both sides of the .fell down _ the objects from both sides of the fell down towards the the ship fell down towards the stonioono— the ship fell down towards the starboard side— the ship fell down towards the starboard side and we've got tnom — starboard side and we've got tnom loonioct— starboard side and we've got them perfect condition. them in perfect condition. so nnon— them in perfect condition. so when it— them in perfect condition. so when it comes— them in perfect condition. so when it comes to— them in perfect condition. so when it comes to decay,- them in perfect condition. so when it comes to decay, time was effectively stopped for these pieces. absolutely. absolutely. but pieces. absolutely. absolutely. not—tnon.- pieces. absolutely. absolutely. not—tnon. so- pieces. absolutely. absolutely. but—iron. so the. but not so with iron. so the otnon— but not so with iron. so the otnon-no-no- but not so with iron. so the other-we've is other object we've got here is octooin— other object we've got here is octooiin o— other object we've got here is actually a ballock knife or a notioct— actually a ballock knife or a ballock dagger— actually a ballock knife or a ballock dagger and would have had ballock dagger and would have not on— ballock dagger and would have not on ion— ballock dagger and would have had an iron blade.— ballock dagger and would have had an iron blade. you can see tno— had an iron blade. you can see too stoining— had an iron blade. you can see the staining here.— had an iron blade. you can see the staining here. that would

nono— the staining here. that would too ioon— the staining here. that would have been about— the staining here. that would have been about that long and worn on on the— have been about that long and worn on on the right hip. so nnono— worn on on the right hip. so where—handle. worn on on the right hip. sol where—handle has where the wooden handle has survived iron blade hasn't survived the iron blade hasn't so we've got 66 of these mostly boxwood, but we've only got one sword which was complete and that's because it fell when the ship was sinking, it fell under the ship. so it was in the tonnois— the ship. so it was in the tunnels that— the ship. so it was in the tunnels that were- so it was in the tunnels that were tunnelled onion— tunnels that were tunnelled onion tno— tunnels that were tunnelled under the ship.— tunnels that were tunnelled under the ship. it was found tnono— under the ship. it was found tnono ono— under the ship. it was found there and in— under the ship. it was found there and in good enough condition.— there and in good enough condition. and— there and in good enough condition. and that's one of the tnings— condition. and that's one of the tnings nono— condition. and that's one of the things we're showing with this 4d things we're showing with this oio—is— things we're showing with thisi 4d_is-tunnelling 4d experience is the tunnelling oooionco — 4d experience is the tunnelling experience. .what's- experience. and what's quite nice about rigging block as nice about the rigging block as well that similar one well is that similar to the one that his majesty king charles excavated he excavated when he was diving? he did dives with us and did over ten dives with us and like ross kemp, because he's dived, new 4d, but dived, he's in our new 4d, but that's very similar. and he he actually excavated of them actually excavated one of them themselves, didn't he? yeah, he did. he in the rigging did. he worked in the rigging area - excavated - did. he worked in the rigging area .excavated a- t: t: he worked in the rigging area excavated a block, area and excavated a block, nnicn— area and excavated a block, which absolutely similar to which is absolutely similar to not— which is absolutely similar to no — which is absolutely similar to that one. _julie- which is absolutely similar to that one. _julie and. which is absolutely similar to. that one. _julie and ifirst that one. when julie and i first met, it was to talk about the titanic. i'm just like over this iocoso— titanic. i'm just like over this iocoosoliono— 33 ti. i'm just like over this because love maritime history. because i love maritime history. oh, because i love maritime history. on. iontostic. — because i love maritime history. oh, fantastic. i— because i love maritime history. oh, fantastic. i wrote a book oioot— oh, fantastic. i wrote a book oioot tno— oh, fantastic. i wrote a book about the titanic. great about the titanic. my great gnonooo— about the titanic. my great grandad _the- about the titanic. my great grandad the titanic. about the titanic. my great- grandad-the titanic. so

grandad died on the titanic. so i grandad died on the titanic. so i-tnis — grandad died on the titanic. so i-tnis nno— grandad died on the titanic. so i-this. and i'm- grandad died on the titanic. so i this. and i'm looking i love all this. and i'm looking at i love all this. and i'm looking ot-tninting— i love all this. and i'm looking at thinking someone's hand at that thinking someone's hand noto— at that thinking someone's hand noio-snono— at that thinking someone's hand held-sword-what- at that thinking someone's hand held sword what stories held that sword and what stories it—nno— held that sword and what stories it—nno its— held that sword and what stories it—nno it-s iost- it could tell. and it's just fascinating.— it could tell. and it's justi fascinating.-just fascinating. it's like it just sooots— fascinating. it's like it just speaks-doesn't- fascinating. it's like it just speaks doesn't it? speaks to you, doesn't it? i iost— speaks to you, doesn't it? i inst iono— speaks to you, doesn't it? i inst tono it.— speaks to you, doesn't it? i just love it. think it's just love it. i think it's brilliant. _ just love it. i think it's brilliant. 3ti3 just love it. i think it's- brilliant. they were all found except for amongst human except for one amongst the human remains that were found on really, said, they were 66 really, as i said, they were 66 of 66. and one them of them. so 66. and one of them was found in a chest. the rest were all amongst wood. that was their standard— were all amongst wood. that was their standard issue— were all amongst wood. that was their standard issue kit- were all amongst wood. that was their standard issue kit for- their standard issue kit for tnoso— their standard issue kit for those kinds— their standard issue kit for those kinds fighting men or those kinds of fighting men or was-something- those kinds of fighting men or was something somebody was that something that somebody inoognt— brought from home or commissioned? well these are every— commissioned? well these are onon-. — commissioned? well these are onon-. tnon- commissioned? well these are every-. every man. commissioned? well these arei every-. every man had every person. every man had a sword. well, not every man had a sword. well, not every man had a sword. every man had a knife. and so you would eat with it. you would stab somebody with it. unlike the swords, we're only gentlemen were supposed to have them. are belonging to them. so those are belonging to individuals. issue individuals. we do have issue things, the very things, things like the very long for anti—boarding and long pikes for anti—boarding and bills and the longbows. and you can tell those are straight issued from royal from issued from the royal art, from the from tower of the armouries, from the tower of london. alex, how does feel london. alex, how does it feel oiion— london. alex, how does it feel oiton oii— london. alex, how does it feel after all these— london. alex, how does it feel after all these years- : 3 alex, how does it feel after all these years of such physical— after all these years of such physical closeness to mary rose? onnot-s— physical closeness to mary rose? nnot-s yon— physical closeness to mary rose? what's your what's— physical closeness to mary rose?

what's your what's your relationship— what's your what's your relationship like with the very oonsonoi.— relationship like with the very oonsonoi. o— relationship like with the very oonsonoi. o non— relationship like with the very personal, a very personal relationship. _ personal, a very personal relationship. tti;3 i personal, a very personal relationship. i relationship. every object, you know, i would have excavated something similar to every single one of those. and that one's important that the big jug, one's important that the big jug, because it was found in 2005. so our last big excavation on the ship to the very end of it, just showing that even amongst the area of the collapsed bow castle, we've got complete objects like that. which of course is quite i mean, it's obviously it's a fairly rugged piece of ceramic. but but nonetheless, after— rugged piece of ceramic. but but nonetheless, after 500- 9 9: ti;ti.ti; ti.ti;333 ti. but but nonetheless, after 500 years not— nonetheless, after 500 years no its— nonetheless, after 500 years no its oii— nonetheless, after 500 years that it's all but— nonetheless, after 500 years that it's all but complete. noon. — that it's all but complete. noon. ino— that it's all but complete. yeah. the extent to which mary itoso— yeah. the extent to which mary itoso nos— yeah. the extent to which mary rose has looked— yeah. the extent to which mary rose has looked after everything that rose has looked after everything no nos— rose has looked after everything tnot nitn— rose has looked after everything that was with her— rose has looked after everything that was with her is really goito— that was with her is really quite affecting— that was with her is really quite affecting , especially the quite affecting, especially the too— quite affecting, especially the ioct tnot— quite affecting, especially the ioct tnot o— quite affecting, especially the fact that a lot— quite affecting, especially the fact that a lot of— quite affecting, especially the fact that a lot of it is wood ono— fact that a lot of it is wood ono is— fact that a lot of it is wood and is rarely— fact that a lot of it is wood and is rarely i— fact that a lot of it is wood and is rarely i mean there are many— and is rarely i mean there are many museums which will have simiion— many museums which will have simiion oiocos— many museums which will have similar pieces to— many museums which will have similar pieces to that, but it's tno— similar pieces to that, but it's too nooi— similar pieces to that, but it's too nooo. tno — similar pieces to that, but it's the wood, the everyday things, the wood, the everyday things, tno-tno — the wood, the everyday things, the-the starbucks- the wood, the everyday things, the the starbucks coffee the coffee, the starbucks coffee coos— the coffee, the starbucks coffee coos tnot— the coffee, the starbucks coffee cnos tnot got— the coffee, the starbucks coffee cups that get thrown away . cups that get thrown away. that is non— cups that get thrown away. that is niot nono— cups that get thrown away. that is what we've got— cups that get thrown away. that is what we've got within the wooden assembly. it's the biggest collection - wooden assembly. it's the biggest collection of- : 3 it's the biggest collection of everyday inton— biggest collection of everyday moon-tno— biggest collection of everyday tudor-the world. - biggest collection of everyday tudor the world. there's tudor life in the world. there's nonoo — tudor life in the world. there's nonoo _got- tudor life in the world. there'si nowhere _ get close nowhere else you can get close to-niston— nowhere else you can get close to-niston ono— nowhere else you can get close to-history and the- nowhere else you can get close to history and the mary to tudor history and the mary itoso—

to tudor history and the mary itoso .— to tudor history and the mary itoso lit-s— to tudor history and the mary rose . it's stunning. rose. so it's stunning. itonioctn— rose. so it's stunning. perfectly she still perfectly dated. does she still attract punters or is it is attract the punters or is it is she still as popular as she ever was? definitely. and we had a iontostic— was? definitely. and we had a fantastic easter— 7 definitely. and we had a fantastic easter and actually coming— fantastic easter and actually coming out— fantastic easter and actually coming out oi— fantastic easter and actually coming out of lockdown. it was initiiont— coming out of lockdown. it was brilliant because— coming out of lockdown. it was brilliant because people discovered _ discovered what's on their ooonstoo. — doorstep. but this new experience _ doorstep. but this new experience about experience is about reaching a oonionco.— experience is about reaching a new audience, trying to get sort of new audience, trying to get sort oi-iomiiios— new audience, trying to get sort of-families and— new audience, trying to get sort of families and people who of the families and people who nooitn-t—to- of the families and people who. wouldn't—to museum wouldn't normally go to museum just wouldn't normally go to museum iost—nnot- wouldn't normally go to museum iost—nnot its- just to experience what it's tino— just to experience what it's tino-tino— just to experience what it's like-dive at— just to experience what it's like-dive at the- just to experience what it's like dive at the mary rose in like to dive at the mary rose in nonsmootn— like to dive at the mary rose in portsmouth dockyard and portsmouth historic dockyard and tnon— portsmouth historic dockyard and tion to— portsmouth historic dockyard and then to uncover— portsmouth historic dockyard and then to uncover this tudor then to uncover this big tudor coiioction— then to uncover this big tudor collection everyday collection of everyday life. its—tno- collection of everyday life. its—tie way- collection of everyday life. it's—the way in. it's fascinating the way in which process excavating which the process of excavating her and raising has become her and raising her has become history itself. yeah, absolutely -_pari_ history itself. yeah, absolutely .—oon oi— history itself. yeah, absolutely .—oon oi tnoti- . were you a part of that? itignt. — . were you a part of that? itignt. so— . were you a part of that? right. so also- . were you a part of that? right. so also it's now you're getting to the stage that not everybody remembers the mary rose it's not part rose coming up. so it's not part of the younger of necessarily the younger people's so that's why people's history. so that's why we're do this now, to we're trying to do this now, to have experience have an immersive experience that get that younger that will get that younger generation. julia there's a there's a personality somehow involved in these pieces. there really is. yeah. it's like- 3 there really is. yeah. it's like they tott— really is. yeah. it's like they toit to— really is. yeah. it's like they toit to yon— really is. yeah. it's like they talk to you, isn't— really is. yeah. it's like they talk to you, isn't it? i mean, ion— talk to you, isn't it? i mean, ion noo— talk to you, isn't it? i mean, ion you ono— talk to you, isn't it? i mean, for you and you,— talk to you, isn't it? i mean, for you and you, it must be. but i for you and you, it must be. but i moon— for you and you, it must be. but i im— for you and you, it must be. but i i-m iost— for you and you, it must be. but i mean, i'm just looking at them ttinting— i mean, i'm just looking at them tninting. im— i mean, i'm just looking at them thinking. i'm just— i mean, i'm just looking at them thinking. i'm just imagining tnon.— thinking. i'm just imagining

mom—iong- thinking. i'm just imagining them, being used thinking. i'm just imagining. them,-being used by thinking. i'm just imagining theipeople being used by thinking. i'm just imagining theipeople on being used by thinking. i'm just imagining theipeople on board,|g used by thinking. i'm just imagining theipeople on board,|g lyou by thinking. i'm just imagining theipeople on board,|g lyou say, the people on board, as you say, ooting— the people on board, as you say, ooting-tno— the people on board, as you say, eating-the same— the people on board, as you say, eating the same knife as eating with the same knife as you— eating with the same knife as not stoi— eating with the same knife as you stab someone. i just think it's absolutely— you stab someone. i just think it's absolutely fascinating. and tnon— it's absolutely fascinating. and. tnoy—oi they were they were each one of tnoso— they were they were each one of tnoso-mooo. — they were they were each one of these-made. yeah.- they were they were each one of these made. “33 3 \nt:3 these was made. yeah. not not factory. no, no, no, no. beautiful from hand of beautiful from the hand of people. know objects people. yeah. you know objects contain people. the contain absent people. it's the idea that each of these idea that each one of these represents who made it, represents someone who made it, owned it. yeah. and owned it, used it. yeah. and what the museum is what we've done in the museum is where found. with where things were found. with one individual. we've- 393 3t: with one individual. we've actually suggested— one individual. we've actually suggested occupation of suggested the occupation of those— suggested the occupation of. those—things those individuals. so the things that—the- that were found in the carpenter's— that were found in the carpenter's body carpenter's cabin and the body of a— carpenter's cabin and the body of a carpenter— carpenter's cabin and the body of a carpenter with with object ietaflng— of a carpenter with with object , .relating .that- of a carpenter with with object ,-relating.that.his. , it's relating to that on his ms— , it's relating to that on his his skeleton— , it's relating to that on his his skeleton-are- , it's relating to that on his his skeleton are things that his skeleton on are things that we've made stories we've we've made big stories awn-d— we've we've made big stories mum—fl..- around. could this be the carpenter— around. could this be the carpenter and— around. could this be the carpenter and then you can look at-anatysis— carpenter and then you can look at-anawsis of— carpenter and then you can look at analysis of isotopes at the analysis of the isotopes to—he— at the analysis of the isotopes aa—ae wa— at the analysis of the isotopes to-he was born- to see where he was born eaaaaaaa. — to see where he was born etcetera. it's— to see where he was born etcetera. it's just- to see where he was born etcetera. c cc etcetera. it'sjust brilliant. i can't ever get enough of seeing these the more these items. in fact, the more modest, more humble really modest, the more humble really the more power they have. that's all for this week. thanks to my guests, bridgen, dominic guests, andrew bridgen, dominic jones , alex hildred, to jones, alex hildred, and to juue jones, alex hildred, and to julie next up, it's calvin julie cook. next up, it's calvin robinson's common sense crusade. i'll be back at the same time next and for the last few next week. and for the last few seconds, i'm just going to bask

in presence of living in the presence of living history hello welcome to your history. hello welcome to your latest weather update from the met office. i'm marco petagna. we hala— met office. i'm marco petagna. we ham to— met office. i'm marco petagna. we ww to aa— met office. i'm marco petagna. we hold to on fairly— i�*iclc rift»; i'm marco petagna. we hold to on fairly showery eeaaweae— we hold to on fairly showery conditions across— we hold to on fairly showery conditions across the uk over we— conditions across the uk over wee-empe— conditions across the uk over the-eeapae ef— conditions across the uk over the couple of days, but the next couple of days, but wage—weal the next couple of days, but. things—into next things will turn drier into next week— things will turn drier into next week-pressure— things will turn drier into next week pressure starts to rise week as pressure starts to rise ana— week as pressure starts to rise and we-w— week as pressure starts to rise and we-w eee— week as pressure starts to rise and we'll see some warm sunshine at times— and we'll see some warm sunshine at times we— and we'll see some warm sunshine at times we ww— and we'll see some warm sunshine at times too low pressures generally— at times too low pressures generally-aa- at times too low pressures generally at the generally in charge at the moment— generally in charge at thei moment—fairly moment given these fairly emewem— moment given these fairly showery conditions. but notice pressure _there - showery conditions. but notice pressure-there as- showery conditions. but notice pressure there as head pressure rising there as we head mae— pressure rising there as we head wee—ef— pressure rising there as we head wee—w mem- into the early part of next week.— into the early part of next week. ama— into the early part of next week. and it's— into the early part of next week. and it's that week. and it's this that premises— week. and it's this that promises _thel week. and it's this that- promises-the quieter promises to bring the quieter eemameme— promises to bring the quieter. conditions—tuesday conditions certainly by tuesday mem— conditions certainly by tuesday meat—ame- conditions certainly by tuesdayi next—this evening next week. back to this evening mae— next week. back to this evening me me— next week. back to this evening into the overnight— next week. back to this evening into the overnight period, eewemm— into the overnight period, showers from _ into the overnight period, showers from the word go out eewame— showers from the word go out towards—they'lll towards the west and they'll develop— towards the west and they'll develop - across. towards the west and they'll. develop - across some develop elsewhere across some memmem— develop elsewhere across some. memmem—we northern and western parts as we mead—meme- northern and western parts as we mead—meme ef- head into the early hours of samaay. — head into the early hours of sunday. _those- head into the early hours of- sunday.-those showers sunday. some of those showers eme— sunday. some of those showers aame heavy— sunday. some of those showers quite heavy locally on the mamaem— quite heavy locally on the thundery side— quite heavy locally on the thundery side with a clearer ewee— thundery side with a clearer skies-towards- skies down towards the south—east _ skies down towards the south—east and towards the south—east and up towards the memmeaee. — south—east and up towards the northeast. _we'll- south—east and up towards the northeast. we'll see northeast. and here we'll see some _conditions,| some fairly chilly conditions, we —eaeee| too. temperatures are close to freezing— freezing across a few spots eewame— freezing across a few spots towards north—east towards the north—east of seeeaama— towards the north—east of scotland .for- towards the north—east of- scotland .for- itself, scotland. as for sunday itself, wm — scotland. as for sunday itself, with showers— scotland. as for sunday itself, with showers from the word go out with showers from the word go em eewame— with showers from the word go out towards the _ with showers from the word go out towards the west becoming more—90- out towards the west becoming- meee—e ameaam more widespread as we go through the more widespread as we go through eee-a— more widespread as we go through me-a mmk— more widespread as we go through the-i think it's— more widespread as we go through the-i think it's a— the day. i think it's a south—east- the day. i think it's a south—east england. best south—east of england. best mace—ee- south—east of england. best place—to some. south—east of england. best. place—to some bright place to hold on to some bright weamea— weather throughout into the amemeem—

weather throughout into the afternoon, _the - weather throughout into the afternoon, the showers afternoon, whereas the showers out afternoon, whereas the showers em eewame— afternoon, whereas the showers out towards the _ afternoon, whereas the showers out towards the turning out towards the west turning aeeauy— out towards the west turning locally—even- out towards the west turning- locally_even thundery locally heavy and even thundery pameaaaaw—ef- particularly across parts of wemmem— particularly across parts of northern ireland. think northern ireland. i think here we-some quite- we could see some quite eememaaa— torrential downpours into the amemeem — torrential downpours into the. afternoon. _doing afternoon. temperatures doing weu— afternoon. temperatures doing well-south—east- afternoon. temperatures doing well south—east in the well in the south—east in the meme— well in the south—east in the eamewme-ee— well in the south—east in the sunshine,-18 or- well in the south—east in the sunshine,-18 or 19- sunshine, up to 18 or 19 degrees.— sunshine, up to 18 or 19 degrees. cooler though, towards the degrees. cooler though, towards wee—ef— degrees. cooler though, towards the _of scotland - degrees. cooler though, towards the of scotland and the north—east of scotland and heading— the north—east of scotland and heading-evening,- the north—east of scotland and heading evening, the heading into the evening, the eewemm— heading into the evening, the showers-migrate- heading into the evening, the showers migrate their showers tend to migrate their way— showers tend to migrate their way eastwards— showers tend to migrate their way eastwards the uk. so way eastwards across the uk. so we see some developing we start to see some developing me— we start to see some developing across the south—east of england- — across the south—east of england. showers, england. fewer showers, meanwhile,— meanwhile, developing out eewame— towards the north—west so emeaem — towards the north—west sol maeaem—eeme through sunday night, some eeaaeaa— through sunday night, some clearer developing clearer spells developing here, but clearer spells developing here, eee-a— clearer spells developing here, eat-a fairly— clearer spells developing here, but a fairly cloudy skies but with a fairly cloudy skies on but with a fairly cloudy skies em me— but with a fairly cloudy skies on the whole— but with a fairly cloudy skies on the whole into the overnight eemea. — on the whole into the overnight period- meee— on the whole into the overnight period. those temperatures do meee— period. those temperatures do meee-fame— period. those temperatures do hold .fairly well— period. those temperatures do hold fairly well across the hold up fairly well across the beam— hold up fairly well across the beam-m— hold up fairly well across the beam-m me- hold up fairly well across the board in the range board with lows in the range 7 to board with lows in the range 7 w w— board with lows in the range 7 w w cemae— board with lows in the range 7 to 11 celsius. as— board with lows in the range 7 to 11 celsius. as for monday , to 11 celsius. as for monday, wm— to 11 celsius. as for monday, mm a— to 11 celsius. as for monday, mm a fam— to 11 celsius. as for monday, with a fair few,— to 11 celsius. as for monday, with a fair few, showers are emu— with a fair few, showers are still expected _ with a fair few, showers are still expected across the east ama— still expected across the east and—ef— still expected across the east and—of england. still expected across the east and—of england .| still expected across the east. and—of england . a still expected across the east- and_of england . a bit and south—east of england. a bit of and south—east of england. a bit ef emewem— and south—east of england. a bit ea emewem am— and south—east of england. a bit of showery rain, too, across the merm— north of scotland, but elsewhere,— north of scotland, but elsewhere, quieter day north of scotland, but elsewhere,lquieter day the elsewhere, a quieter day on the wmeae. — elsewhere, a quieter day on the wmeae. -emgm— elsewhere, a quieter day on the whole. bright sunny whole. some bright or sunny eeeue—ama- spells developing and temperatures doing quite temperatures still doing quite wen— temperatures still doing quite wen-me— temperatures still doing quite well-the time— temperatures still doing quite well the time year in well for the time of year in ma— well for the time of year in that sunshine,— well for the time of year in that sunshine, as they will do as that sunshine, as they will do ae we mead— that sunshine, as they will do as we head into— that sunshine, as they will do as we head into tuesday and wednesday— as we head into tuesday and wednesday with— as we head into tuesday and wednesday with pressure starting to wednesday with pressure starting ee—weameal to rise, plenty of fine weather to rise, plenty of fine weather ee—we- to rise, plenty of fine weather ee—we meae| to come, perhaps a bit more meee— to come, perhaps a bit more meee-me- to come, perhaps a bit more cloud-the north- to come, perhaps a bit more cloud the north of the cloud towards the north of the uk cloud towards the north of the ww meaame— cloud towards the north of the uk heading into— cloud towards the north of the

uk heading into the middle part of uk heading into the middle part ef me— uk heading into the middle part ef me week.— uk heading into the middle part of the week. so— uk heading into the middle part of the week. so that's it. see you— of the week. so that's it. see yea eye— of the week. so that's it. see you soon. bye bye- of the week. so that's it. see you soon. bye bye .

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