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apart, it is your saturday night news with rory smith . thank you news with rory smith. thank you very much, emily. the latest from very much, emily. the latest trom tro— very much, emily. the latest trom tto ot— trig it.“ o,’ the latest from the gb newsroom. it's uutorotoot— from the gb newsroom. it's understood the _ from the gb newsroom. it's understood the final evacuation trott— understood the final evacuation tttgtt oorrytug— understood the final evacuation flight carrying british nationals— flight carrying british nationals out of sudan has taken off nationals out of sudan has taken ott .— nationals out of sudan has taken ott . ooputy— nationals out of sudan has taken off . deputy prime— nationals out of sudan has taken off. deputy prime minister ottvor— off. deputy prime minister oliver dowden_ off. deputy prime minister oliver dowden held a cobra moottug— oliver dowden held a cobra moottug tu— oliver dowden held a cobra meeting in downing street this ottoruoou— meeting in downing street this ottoruoou to— meeting in downing street this afternoon to discuss the ooourtty— afternoon to discuss the security situation in khartoum . security situation in khartoum. he security situation in khartoum. to out— security situation in khartoum. he said rescue— security situation in khartoum. he said rescue operations ended tottoutug— he said rescue operations ended tottoutug o— he said rescue operations ended following a significant decline in following a significant decline to tho— following a significant decline in the number— following a significant decline in the number of— following a significant decline in the number of british uottouoto— in the number of british nationals coming forward to flee the nationals coming forward to flee to wor— nationals coming forward to flee to toru— nationals coming forward to flee the war torn country. it's understood _ the war torn country. it's understood around 1600 british otttzouo— understood around 1600 british citizens have— understood around 1600 british citizens have been evacuated on 13 citizens have been evacuated on to tttgtto— citizens have been evacuated on to tttgtto trom — citizens have been evacuated on 13 flights from sudan , but 13 flights from sudan, but ttouoouto— 13 flights from sudan, but thousands more may remain. mr bouton— thousands more may remain. mr dowden denied— thousands more may remain. mr dowden denied the government uoutt— dowden denied the government would abandon— dowden denied the government would abandon those who have toot— would abandon those who have toou uuotto— would abandon those who have been unable to— would abandon those who have been unable to make it to the arrow— been unable to make it to the otrttott ou— been unable to make it to the airfield on time— been unable to make it to the airfield on time ._ been unable to make it to the airfield on time . great ormond airfield on time. great ormond stroot— airfield on time. great ormond street hospital— airfield on time. great ormond street hospital has been granted oxomottouo— street hospital has been granted ooomottouo to— street hospital has been granted exemptions to allow nurses to

oouttuuo— exemptions to allow nurses to continue working— exemptions to allow nurses to continue working during upcoming otrtto— continue working during upcoming otrtto oottou— continue working during upcoming strike action over— continue working during upcoming strike action over the bank totttoy— strike action over the bank totttoy. tro— strike action over the bank holiday. the children hospital oxoroooot— holiday. the children hospital expressed concerns about ototttug— expressed concerns about ototttug oo— expressed concerns about staffing as royal college of uurotug— staffing as royal college of nursing workers prepared to walk out trom — nursing workers prepared to walk out trom 8— nursing workers prepared to walk out tom 8 om.— nursing workers prepared to walk out from 8 pm. tomorrow until montoy— out from 8 pm. tomorrow until moutoy oyoutug— out from 8 pm. tomorrow until monday evening in their ongoing ttoouto— monday evening in their ongoing ttoputo ovor— monday evening in their ongoing ttoputo pay.— monday evening in their ongoing dispute over pay. well, it comes as toottt— dispute over pay. well, it comes as health workers— dispute over pay. well, it comes as health workers belonging to the as health workers belonging to to out— as health workers belonging to the gmb union— as health workers belonging to the gmb union accepted a 5% pay ottor— the gmb union accepted a 5% pay ottor trom— the gmb union accepted a 5% pay ottor trom tro— the gmb union accepted a 5% pay offer from the government yootortoy— offer from the government yesterday. union officials will voto— yesterday. union officials will voto to— yesterday. union officials will now vote to accept the offer at a now vote to accept the offer at o moottug — now vote to accept the offer at o moottug ot— now vote to accept the offer at a meeting of the— now vote to accept the offer at a meeting of the nhs staff couuott— a meeting of the nhs staff council next— a meeting of the nhs staff council next week . labour council next week. labour promtooo— council next week. labour promtooo to— council next week. labour promises to invest in more toootoro— promises to invest in more teachers who— promises to invest in more teachers who are specialists in trott— teachers who are specialists in ttotr outtoot— teachers who are specialists in their subject if— teachers who are specialists in their subject if they win the root— their subject if they win the root oouorot— their subject if they win the next general election. labour ouotyoto— next general election. labour ouotyoto ot— next general election. labour analysis of government figures stou— analysis of government figures otou thoro— analysis of government figures show there are— analysis of government figures show there are gaps in expert toootor— show there are gaps in expert teacher roles— show there are gaps in expert teacher roles in— show there are gaps in expert teacher roles in state schools across england.— teacher roles in state schools across england. shadow education soorotory— across england. shadow education secretary bridget— across england. shadow education secretary bridget phillipson ooyo— secretary bridget phillipson ooyo ootooto— secretary bridget phillipson says schools are scrambling to fill says schools are scrambling to tttt ttooo— says schools are scrambling to fill those places— says schools are scrambling to fill those places ,_ says schools are scrambling to fill those places , meaning high fill those places, meaning high standards— fill those places, meaning high standards are— fill those places, meaning high standards are not— fill those places, meaning high standards are not as high as troy— standards are not as high as ttoy otoutt— standards are not as high as they should be. _ standards are not as high as they should be. for all children

. stoytug— they should be. for all children . stoytug uttt— they should be. for all children . staying with education and a ootoot— . staying with education and a ootoot to— . staying with education and a school is set— . staying with education and a school is set to— . staying with education and a school is set to take ofsted to court— school is set to take ofsted to court tor— school is set to take ofsted to court tor rot— school is set to take ofsted to court for not following the oorrot— court for not following the correct procedures during a . tro— correct procedures during a review . the queen emma correct procedures during a review. the queen emma primary sotoot— review. the queen emma primary sotoot tu— review. the queen emma primary school in cambridge was downgraded— school in cambridge was downgraded to inadequate, the touoot— downgraded to inadequate, the lowest possible _ downgraded to inadequate, the lowest possible rating while uotttug— lowest possible rating while wotttug tor— lowest possible rating while waiting for the _ lowest possible rating while waiting for the ofsted report to be waiting for the ofsted report to to putttotot— waiting for the ofsted report to be published. headteacher ruth torry— be published. headteacher ruth torry woo— be published. headteacher ruth perry was informed of the result out— perry was informed of the result out toot— perry was informed of the result out toot tor— perry was informed of the result and took her own— perry was informed of the result and took her own life in a ooooot— and took her own life in a opooot to— and took her own life in a speech to the— and took her own life in a speech to the national association _ speech to the national association of head teachers . association of head teachers. tor— association of head teachers. uor ototou— association of head teachers. her sister, professor julia tutors,— her sister, professor julia walters, condemned the watchdog erg walters, condemned the watchdog tto out— walters, condemned the watchdog erg and called— walters, condemned the watchdog erg and called for— walters, condemned the watchdog erg and called for ofsted tuopoot— erg and called for ofsted inspect teachers to hand in trott— inspect teachers to hand in their badges— inspect teachers to hand in their badges ,_ inspect teachers to hand in their badges , as when three their badges, as when three erotot— their badges, as when three ofsted inspectors pronounced it on ofsted inspectors pronounced it or troutty— ofsted inspectors pronounced it on frankly flimsy— ofsted inspectors pronounced it on frankly flimsy grounds that tutu-o— on frankly flimsy grounds that ruth's leadership and therefore her ruth's leadership and therefore tor ootoot— ruth's leadership and therefore her school were— ruth's leadership and therefore her school were inadequate. the injustice— her school were inadequate. the injustice ot— her school were inadequate. the injustice of that— her school were inadequate. the injustice of that one— her school were inadequate. the injustice of that one word judgement destroyed ruth's career , her world and her sense career, her world and her sense of self. i won't give up until ofsted is radically reformed to

place the welfare of teaching staff as well as of children . at staff as well as of children. at its heart . so three new its heart. so three new photographs of the king and queen consort have been released ahead of next week's coronation. the images were taken in the ttuo— the images were taken in the ttuo troutug— the images were taken in the blue drawing room at buckingham rotooo— blue drawing room at buckingham rotooo toot— blue drawing room at buckingham palace last month— blue drawing room at buckingham palace last month ._ blue drawing room at buckingham palace last month . one shows the palace last month. one shows the oouoto— palace last month. one shows the ooupto otouttug— palace last month. one shows the couple standing together in trout— couple standing together in trout ot— couple standing together in trout ot o— couple standing together in front of a portrait of king g.o.ge,_ front of a portrait of king ooorgo, tro— front of a portrait of king george, the fifth, at his coronation _ george, the fifth, at his coronation in- george, the fifth, at his coronation in 1911. the queen consort— coronation in 1911. the queen couoort to— coronation in 1911. the queen consort is wearing the late ouoou-o— consort is wearing the late queen's pearl— consort is wearing the late queen's pearl drop earrings and a queen's pearl drop earrings and o pout— queen's pearl drop earrings and a pearl necklace— queen's pearl drop earrings and a pearl necklace from her ortvoto— a pearl necklace from her private collection . in tv online private collection. in tv online uott — private collection. in tv online uott tatto— private collection. in tv online dab+ radio and— private collection. in tv online dab+ radio and on tune in. this is dab+ radio and on tune in. this to tv— dab+ radio and on tune in. this to tv uouo— dab+ radio and on tune in. this is tv news. now,— dab+ radio and on tune in. this is tv news. now, though, it's toot— is tv news. now, though, it's toot to— is tv news. now, though, it's toot to to— is tv news. now, though, it's toot to tho .— back to the. saturday five. to— back to the. saturday five. it's saturday _ back to the. saturday five. it's saturday night. 4:3. ”c: back to the. saturday five. it's saturday night. 43.111 it's saturday night. you're with the saturday five. i'm emily

carver. i can promise you that you are in for a very lively hour as we have a good old fashioned row about some of the biggest topics of the week. so let's crack on with tonight's first debate. to kick us off, darren is going be telling us darren is going to be telling us why the bbc is fundamentally corrupt. let's start the clock . corrupt. let's start the clock. well, there we have it, folks . well, there we have it, folks. tto — well, there we have it, folks. tto too— well, there we have it, folks. tto too to— well, there we have it, folks. the bbc is more— well, there we have it, folks. the bbc is more bent than a nine tot— the bbc is more bent than a nine tot roto— the bbc is more bent than a nine tot roto. too-vo— the bbc is more bent than a nine bob note. we've seen with the too— bob note. we've seen with the bbc chairman,— bob note. we've seen with the bbc chairman, the outgoing bbc ototrmou— bbc chairman, the outgoing bbc ototrmou ,— bbc chairman, the outgoing bbc chairman , that— bbc chairman, the outgoing bbc chairman , that the likes of gary chairman, that the likes of gary ttuotor— chairman, that the likes of gary lineker remember— chairman, that the likes of gary lineker remember him.7 and chairman, that the likes of gary lineker remember him? and of course , david— lineker remember him? and of course , david dimbleby, who used course, david dimbleby, who used to to— course, david dimbleby, who used to to or— course, david dimbleby, who used to to on tho— course, david dimbleby, who used to be on the telly— course, david dimbleby, who used to be on the telly more than the otvorto— to be on the telly more than the otvorto troy— to be on the telly more than the adverts they saying actually the goyorumout— adverts they saying actually the government should never choose the government should never choose tto too— government should never choose the bbc chairman— government should never choose the bbc chairman ._ government should never choose the bbc chairman . tell you what, the bbc chairman. tell you what, totto— the bbc chairman. tell you what, totto, troy-ro— the bbc chairman. tell you what, folks, they're starting to sound uto— folks, they're starting to sound ttto-otugtug- folks, they're starting to sound like.-singing from - like. they're singing from my hymn— like. they're singing from my tymu shoot.— like. they're singing from my hymn sheet. -if- like. they're singing from my. hymn sheet.-if-bbc hymn sheet. because if the bbc wanto— hymn sheet. because if the bbc uouto to— hymn sheet. because if the bbc uouto to to— hymn sheet. because if the bbc wants to be independent and away trom— wants to be independent and away from government— wants to be independent and away from government control, then it ought— from government control, then it ought to— from government control, then it ought to octop— from government control, then it ought to scrap licence fee ought to scrap the licence fee trot— ought to scrap the licence fee that uoutt — ought to scrap the licence fee that would free _ ought to scrap the licence fee that would free the bbc to be truty— that would free the bbc to be truly independent and it would too— truly independent and it would too ott— truly independent and it would too at ot— truly independent and it would free all of us— truly independent and it would free all of us who— truly independent and it would free all of us who are for faced tutt— free all of us who are for faced uttt throat— free all of us who are for faced with threat of— free all of us who are for faced with threat of prison soon to be troo— with threat of prison soon to be too, to—

with threat of prison soon to be too, to rot— with threat of prison soon to be too, to not toy— with threat of prison soon to be free, to not pay for— with threat of prison soon to be free, to not pay for the bbc. if you— free, to not pay for the bbc. if you tor-t— free, to not pay for the bbc. if you tor-t wort— free, to not pay for the bbc. if you don't want to— free, to not pay for the bbc. if you don't want to watch its contort,— you don't want to watch its content, which _ you don't want to watch its content, which by the way i do it's content, which by the way i do to orottvo— content, which by the way i do it's archive i— content, which by the way i do it's archive i think— content, which by the way i do it's archive i think is pretty 9°0d_ it's archive i think is pretty 900d .— it's archive i think is pretty 900d . ._ it's archive i think is pretty good . i should— it's archive i think is pretty good . i should be able to fund good. i should be able to fund it good. i should be able to fund tt ou— good. i should be able to fund tt on o— good. i should be able to fund it on a choice— good. i should be able to fund it on a choice basis and not root— it on a choice basis and not toroot tutt— it on a choice basis and not forced with a— it on a choice basis and not forced with a threat of prison . forced with a threat of prison. so forced with a threat of prison. so ttuotor— forced with a threat of prison. so lineker and— forced with a threat of prison. so lineker and dimbleby get on tout— so lineker and dimbleby get on toort tutt— so lineker and dimbleby get on board with grimes— so lineker and dimbleby get on board with grimes as no . board with grimes as no. tour-amu— board with grimes as no. benjamin, do— board with grimes as no. benjamin, do you agree with trot?— benjamin, do you agree with that? because,— benjamin, do you agree with that? because, i— benjamin, do you agree with that? because, i mean, it's it too— that? because, i mean, it's it has obviously— that? because, i mean, it's it has obviously been under ooruttuy— has obviously been under scrutiny over— has obviously been under scrutiny over the past what, 48 tours— scrutiny over the past what, 48 hours, even longer— scrutiny over the past what, 48 hours, even longer with this troutry— hours, even longer with this inquiry going— hours, even longer with this inquiry going on about boris johnson-o— inquiry going on about boris johnson's appointment of richard stupo— johnson's appointment of richard storoo oo— johnson's appointment of richard storpo as tho— johnson's appointment of richard sharpe as the bbc— johnson's appointment of richard sharpe as the bbc chairman in gouorot— sharpe as the bbc chairman in gouorot .— sharpe as the bbc chairman in gonorot . uo— sharpe as the bbc chairman in gonorot . too you— sharpe as the bbc chairman in general . do you think actually general. do you think actually tuto— general. do you think actually ttto tooo— general. do you think actually this does suggest that the doorman— this does suggest that the chairman should be totally roruovot— chairman should be totally removed from _ chairman should be totally removed from government and then ttorotoro— removed from government and then therefore, should— removed from government and then therefore, should we— removed from government and then therefore, should we scrap the ttoouoo— therefore, should we scrap the ttoouoo too?— therefore, should we scrap the licence fee? i— therefore, should we scrap the licence fee? i mean, look, i turnt— licence fee? i mean, look, i tttut ttooo— licence fee? i mean, look, i think those are— licence fee? i mean, look, i think those are two very ttttorout— think those are two very different things. think those are two very- different things. so the bbc was quite angry about the suggestion that the chairman was appointed by minister. even by the prime minister. even though can all that though we can all see that obvious. bbc board obvious. so the bbc board technically appoints it, but in reality it's a government decision. that's decision. i think that's completely absurd. and you

completely absurd. and when you talk lineker talk about gary lineker criticising it now, but not criticising it now, but not criticising it now, but not criticising it in the past, i think should taken out of think it should be taken out of their but the truth is if their hands. but the truth is if we went with your way doing we went with your way of doing things, of the bbc to things, the cost of the bbc to those who would subscribe would be less content be far more for less content than the model we have now. than the model that we have now. but be a lot. that's but it would be a lot. that's why— but it would be a lot. that's why ._ but it would be a lot. that's why t tttut— but it would be a lot. that's why i think we should keep it. it would be a lot fairer. it's uto— it would be a lot fairer. it's ttto wrot— it would be a lot fairer. it's like what you— it would be a lot fairer. it's like what you say about toxottou— like what you say about taxation. ian— like what you say about taxation. ian benjamin right, trot— taxation. ian benjamin right, that too— taxation. ian benjamin right, that those with— taxation. ian benjamin right, that those with broadest that those with the broadest otouttoro— that those with the broadest shoulders _for. that those with the broadest shoulders _for it.| that those with the broadest. shoulders _for it. so shoulders should pay for it. so ttorotoro— shoulders should pay for it. so therefore those _ shoulders should pay for it. so therefore those who actually wort— therefore those who actually. wort—stout therefore those who actually- want _ should be want to watch the bbc should be the want to watch the bbc should be to ouoo— want to watch the bbc should be to trot— want to watch the bbc should be the ones that pay— want to watch the bbc should be the ones that pay for but the ones that pay for it. but to— the ones that pay for it. but to truth— the ones that pay for it. but to truth to— the ones that pay for it. but the truth is basically everybody wototoo— the truth is basically everybody wototoo-tt-o- the truth is basically everybody watches-it's about- watches the bbc. it's about 99% of watches the bbc. it's about 99% ot-you— watches the bbc. it's about 99% ot-you to. — watches the bbc. it's about 99% ot-you to. to- watches the bbc. it's about 99% of-you do. it's like- of people you do. it's like oxygen.— of people you do. it's like oxygen. you don't even realise you're bbc. no,i you're consuming the bbc. no, i do, don't watch it do, because i don't watch it tooouoo— do, because i don't watch it because when _ do, because i don't watch it because when come round to because when they come round to my touoo— because when they come round to my mouoo mt— because when they come round to my mouoo mt soy,— because when they come round to my house and say, oh, you moor-t— my house and say, oh, you moyom-t pott— my house and say, oh, you haven't paid your tv licence, i wont— haven't paid your tv licence, i wont to— haven't paid your tv licence, i wont to to— haven't paid your tv licence, i want to be able— haven't paid your tv licence, i want to be able to— haven't paid your tv licence, i want to be able to look them in the want to be able to look them in tho—tro— want to be able to look them in tmo—tto to- want to be able to look them in the—lie to them. i the eye and not lie to them. honesty.— the eye and not lie to them. honestly, anybody— the eye and not lie to them. honestly, anybody who - the eye and not lie to them. honestly, anybody who pays their tv licence, it's like paying for carrier checkout. carrier bags at the checkout. you don't have to do it. just mototy-o— you don't have to do it. just mototy-o ovro— you don't have to do it. just nobody's ever been arrested for tortuo— nobody's ever been arrested for totmg—omt- nobody's ever been arrested for taking—and not. taking a carrier bag and not paying— taking a carrier bag and not paying-just- taking a carrier bag and not paying-just try- taking a carrier bag and not paying just try not paying for it. just try not

paying— paying for it. just try not paying the_ paying for it. just try not paying the licence, see what paying the tv licence, see what moppomo — paying the tv licence, see what moppomo -gomg- paying the tv licence, see what moppomo -gomg to- happens. they're going to try and you up. now, we're not and catch you up. now, we're not otvoootmg— and catch you up. now, we're not advocating theft— and catch you up. now, we're not advocating theft on— and catch you up. now, we're not advocating theft on the- e�*r: eec. c. now, we're not advocating theft on the panel tomtgtt. — advocating theft on the panel tomtgtt. too— advocating theft on the panel tonight. leo albie,- advocating theft on the panel tonight. leo albie, do you think there's be said for there's something to be said for there's something to be said for the fact that gary lineker has never criticised the never actually criticised the bbc you bbc chairman before? now? you know, whilst blair was appointing for example, appointing them, for example, and a sudden because appointing them, for example, and johnsonudden because appointing them, for example, and johnson didan because appointing them, for example, and johnson did it,because appointing them, for example, and johnson did it, he ause appointing them, for example, and johnson did it, he wants boris johnson did it, he wants to oar in and get to stick his oar in and get angry about there is plenty angry about it. there is plenty to criticise the outgoing bbc chairman i don't know if chairman about. i don't know if gory— chairman about. i don't know if oory tmotor— chairman about. i don't know if oory ttmotor to— the mo?" i don't know if gary lineker is criticising him about— gary lineker is criticising him about to— gary lineker is criticising him about the right— gary lineker is criticising him about the right thing. it's portootty— about the right thing. it's perfectly reasonable for members of perfectly reasonable for members ot otott— perfectly reasonable for members ot otott ot— perfectly reasonable for members of staff of the _ perfectly reasonable for members of staff of the bbc— perfectly reasonable for members of staff of the bbc to be angry at mutt-o— of staff of the bbc to be angry at utot-o tomo— of staff of the bbc to be angry at what's gone on,— of staff of the bbc to be angry at what's gone on, but i take a matt— at what's gone on, but i take a mat o— at what's gone on, but i take a small c conservative approach to too— small c conservative approach to too-rm— small c conservative approach to too-rm potty- bbc reform. i'm pretty comfortable- bbc reform. i'm pretty comfortable with the licence too. — comfortable with the licence too. r-m — comfortable with the licence too. r-m protty— comfortable with the licence fee. i'm pretty comfortable with goommot— fee. i'm pretty comfortable with governments—the - fee. i'm pretty comfortable with governments the bbc governments appointing the bbc omotrmom— chairman or essentially appointing— chairman or essentially appointing bbc chairman. appointing the bbc chairman. mot— appointing the bbc chairman. mot-moto— appointing the bbc chairman. that-make me- appointing the bbc chairman. that make me feel that doesn't make me feel uncomfortable.— that doesn't make me feel uncomfortable. but they do need to-tottor— uncomfortable. but they do need to - better choices. - uncomfortable. but they do need to better choices. and the to make better choices. and the poooto— to make better choices. and the motto-out— to make better choices. and the poopto-out-tmoooi people that they put into those oootttomo — people that they put into those pootttomo-tt-o- people that they put into those positions, it's strange positions, i think it's strange poroomotty— positions, i think it's strange personally people are personally that people are tortuo— personally that people are totmg mo— personally that people are taking the example of richard stom— taking the example of richard stop to— taking the example of richard smart to ooy— taking the example of richard sharp to say that the bbc is moro— sharp to say that the bbc is too tor— sharp to say that the bbc is too tor o— sharp to say that the bbc is there for a tory— sharp to say that the bbc is there for a tory mouthpiece. i ttmt— there for a tory mouthpiece. i ttmt most—

there for a tory mouthpiece. i think most of— there for a tory mouthpiece. i think most of us— there for a tory mouthpiece. i think most of us know- there for a tory mouthpiece. i think most of us know that people working within the bbc are probably not majority tories , are they really? i think we spoke about we spoke about this before, it's about the culture within the bbc and whoever the chairman is. and i personally don't think he should be appointed by the prime minister. i think that is a recipe for corruption and at least accusations of. but i think the culture of the bbc is what makes it how it is. and that's why people find it politically biased because of the people working than working within it rather than the chairman. but the government's- t.n? ”tn?" but the government's appointed tn? ”tn" but the government's appointed the omotrmom— government's appointed the chairman -entire - government's appointed the chairman entire time chairman for the entire time mot— chairman for the entire time trot—boom- chairman for the entire time- that_been around. that the bbc has been around. are-saving— that the bbc has been around. are-stung tt-s— that the bbc has been around. are-saying it's been- that the bbc has been around. are you saying it's been corrupt for the last hundred years? no, but open to accusations for the last hundred years? no, but-open to accusations ofi but it's open to accusations of oorruottom— but it's open to accusations of corruption for— but it's open to accusations of corruption for that— but it's open to accusations of corruption for that reason. room — corruption for that reason.- room —amu yeah. yeah, absolutely. and that's the point, right? fundamentally, don't that's the point, right? funrwhyzntally, don't that's the point, right? funrwhy it'slly, don't that's the point, right? funrwhy it's primarily don't that's the point, right? funrwhy it's primarily singlen't see why it's primarily single mothers prosecuted mothers who are prosecuted because they're more likely to because they're more likely to be for non—payment be in the house for non—payment of licence fee. and i don't of the licence fee. and i don't see we should continue see why we should continue having this debate year in, year out as we increasingly do. and not actually call for the reforms that would that reforms that would stop that from happening . does any part of

from happening. does any part of you worry— from happening. does any part of you worry trot— from happening. does any part of you worry that ty— from happening. does any part of you worry that by getting- q does any part of you worry that by getting rid of the you worry that by getting rid of to mono— you worry that by getting rid of the licence fee— you worry that by getting rid of the licence fee ,_ you worry that by getting rid of the licence fee , britain might the licence fee, britain might be the licence fee, britain might to tootmg— the licence fee, britain might be losing something that has moomt— be losing something that has moomt o— be losing something that has moomt o tot— be losing something that has meant a lot to— be losing something that has meant a lot to people for generations— meant a lot to people for generations ?_ meant a lot to people for generations ? yeah. �*tftr�*rzn. meant a lot to people for generations ? yeah. lr�*t�*biu c. generations? yeah. well, we'll be losing. we'll be losing state propaganda. i be losing. we'll be losing state propaganda . i mean, come on, propaganda. i mean, come on, moro— propaganda. i mean, come on, there shouldn't— propaganda. i mean, come on, there shouldn't be— propaganda. i mean, come on, there shouldn't be the- d i mean, come on, there shouldn't be the fourth oototo— there shouldn't be the fourth oototo to— there shouldn't be the fourth estate is there— there shouldn't be the fourth estate is there to hold. hold to— estate is there to hold. hold the government— estate is there to hold. hold the government account so the government to account so too— the government to account so moo-to— the government to account so ttoro-to my— the government to account so there - be any you - the government to account so there be any you know, they there can be any you know, they com-t— there can be any you know, they oom-t to— there can be any you know, they can't be dependent— there can be any you know, they can't be dependent on the goyommomt— can't be dependent on the government allowing government then allowing a mono— government then allowing a ttoomoo-to— government then allowing a licence be collected a licence fee to be collected is a rtttoutouo— licence fee to be collected is a ridiculous conflict— licence fee to be collected is a ridiculous conflict of interest . .as_ ridiculous conflict of interest . .m r— ridiculous conflict of interest . .m r stru— ridiculous conflict of interest . .as i said at- ridiculous conflict of interest . .as i said at the- ridiculous conflict of interest . and as i said at the start, right. i actually want the bbc to perform better, to actually perform better, right? because it has britain in its name. i want everything associated country associated with this country that i love so dearly to do well , but i don't think it will do well. and it's increasingly, you know, its licence fee is frozen right now because of inflation pressures and cost of living crisis . if it pressures and cost of living crisis. if it was pressures and cost of living crisis . if it was free from that crisis. if it was free from that , it would be able to set its subscription rates as it wants . subscription rates as it wants. it could spread its wings. absolutely. it unleash its potential or jokes could go, i think global. i think it would be the end of the bbc if that

happened. fingers, fingers oroooot r— happened. fingers, fingers crossed. idon't- happened. fingers, fingers crossed. i don't want to see the end of the bbc. i'm a big bbc supporter. ido end of the bbc. i'm a big bbc supporter. i do consume a lot of mot— supporter. i do consume a lot of that oomomt.— supporter. i do consume a lot of that content. i'm— supporter. i do consume a lot of that content. i'm very— i do consume a lot of that content. i'm very happy to pay— that content. i'm very happy to pay to— that content. i'm very happy to pay to mono— that content. i'm very happy to pay the licence fee. the bbc is completely redundant. i think it performs a completely redundant. i think it portormo o yory— ttitrt ”r::;r:. can i think it performs a very important oomtoo— performs a very important oomtoo to— performs a very important service to country, but i'm service to this country, but i'm sure, i'm sure benjamin will ogroo— sure, i'm sure benjamin will ogroo mot— sure, i'm sure benjamin will agree that it's— sure, i'm sure benjamin will agree that it's regressive agree that it's a regressive ttot— agree that it's a regressive flat - everybody. i agree that it's a regressive flat everybody. agree that it's a regressive- flat-everybody. so you flat tax and everybody. so you mow.— flat tax and everybody. so you mow. ott— flat tax and everybody. so you know, old people off of a know, old people living off of a pittance the same amount as pittance pay the same amount as a i mean, benjamin a millionaire. i mean, benjamin that's horrifically that's that's horrifically unfair, the unfair, isn't it? i mean, the bbc be cancelled because bbc should be cancelled because there are people who are exempt from licence fee. from paying the licence fee. right. tories who right. and it was the tories who rvomoot— right. and it was the tories who rvomoot mo— right. and it was the tories who removed the free— right. and it was the tories who removed the free licence fee for what,— removed the free licence fee for what, ovor— removed the free licence fee for what, over 70s. _ removed the free licence fee for what, over 70s. right. so that removed the free licence fee for wha a over 70s. right. so that removed the free licence fee for wha a choice)s. right. so that removed the free licence fee for wha a choice that ght. so that removed the free licence fee for wha a choice that iht. so that removed the free licence fee for wha a choice that i think that removed the free licence fee for wha a choice that i think was was a choice that i think was wrong — was a choice that i think was wron-g .rtgtt— was a choice that i think was wrong. right. that's it. wrong. oh, right. that's it. up moot.— wrong. oh, right. that's it. up root. to— wrong. oh, right. that's it. up root. to too— wrong. oh, right. that's it. up next, it's leo and— wrong. oh, right. that's it. up next, it's leo and he's- wrong. oh, right. that's it. up next, it's leo and he's going to tell us why he thinks we're paid too much tax in britain. start the clock back. there was omootmg— the clock back. there was shocking news— the clock back. there was shocking news this- there was shocking news this week that ooporomtty— shocking news this week that apparently hundreds of thousands of apparently hundreds of thousands ot otto— apparently hundreds of thousands ot trtto tro— apparently hundreds of thousands of brits are signing off on long torm — of brits are signing off on long torm otot— of brits are signing off on long term sick and— of brits are signing off on long term sick and it's— of brits are signing off on long term sick and it's costing the ooomy— term sick and it's costing the ooomy too— term sick and it's costing the economy £43 billion a year. apporomtty— economy £43 billion a year. apporomtty o— economy £43 billion a year. apparently a year and a half of turtougm— apparently a year and a half of turtougm tro— apparently a year and a half of furlough. we got— apparently a year and a half of furlough. we got so used to

otttmg— furlough. we got so used to otttmg om— furlough. we got so used to sitting on our— furlough. we got so used to sitting on our butts watching ttgor— sitting on our butts watching ttgor «mg,— sitting on our butts watching ttgor tmg, uo— sitting on our butts watching tiger king, we wanted it to mmuoot— tiger king, we wanted it to continue. and— tiger king, we wanted it to continue. and who can blame ttooo— continue. and who can blame tmooo pooptoo— continue. and who can blame these people?-so- continue. and who can blame these people? so easy these people? it's so easy to get— these people? it's so easy to got-ott— these people? it's so easy to got-om m— these people? it's so easy to get-off in-sack.. get signed off in the sack. i r— get signed off in the sack. i mean, i love— get signed off in the sack. i mean, i love it— get signed off in the sack. i mean, i love it when the ouorttom— mean, i love it when the guardian says— mean, i love it when the guardian says only 0.6% of tomottto— guardian says only 0.6% of benefits. claimants are fraudulent. _ benefits. claimants are fraudulent. listen, i'm sootttom— fraudulent. listen, i'm scottish. of scottish. i've only 0.6% of tomottto— scottish. i've only 0.6% of benefits. claimants are fraudulent. _ benefits. claimants are fraudulent. i- benefits. claimants are fraudulent. i must have known ovory— fraudulent. i must have known oorto— fraudulent. i must have known oortoo to pay— fraudulent. i must have known evertax we pay in— fraudulent. i must have known evertax we pay in this country the tax we pay in this country is ridiculous. _ the tax we pay in this country is ridiculous. rishi sunak. uoootto— is ridiculous. rishi sunak. despite apparently a tory, despite being apparently a tory, has despite being apparently a tory, moo-tox— despite being apparently a tory, too-too toro- despite being apparently a tory, has-tax take up- despite being apparently a tory, has -tax take up to. despite being apparently a tory, has tax take up to the has taken our tax take up to the utmost— has taken our tax take up to the mgmoot tovot— has taken our tax take up to the highest level since— has taken our tax take up to the highest level since the second trout— highest level since the second you trou— highest level since the second world war, and— highest level since the second world war, and the government tooom-t— world war, and the government tooom-t oom— world war, and the government doesn't even-it- world war, and the government doesn't even it well. the doesn't even spend it well. the goyommomt— doesn't even spend it well. the government-trying- doesn't even spend it well. the government trying you government is trying to tell you mot— government is trying to tell you that rt— government is trying to tell you that tt motto— government is trying to tell you that it knows how— government is trying to tell you that it knows how want your that it knows how you want your momoy— that it knows how you want your momoy-tottor— that it knows how you want your money-better than- that it knows how you want your money better than you do money spent better than you do youroott. — money spent better than you do yourself. absolutely yourself. that's absolutely ridiculous.— yourself. that's absolutely ridiculous. and— yourself. that's absolutely ridiculous. and high taxes don't ootuotty— ridiculous. and high taxes don't even actually increase the mount— even actually increase the mount ot— even actually increase the amount of tax— even actually increase the amount of tax taken in. so keir stormor— amount of tax taken in. so keir starmer wants— amount of tax taken in. so keir starmer wants to _ amount of tax taken in. so keir starmer wants to bring in a tax on starmer wants to bring in a tax or or mutto— starmer wants to bring in a tax on on private schools . so it's on on private schools. so it's going— on on private schools. so it's going to— on on private schools. so it's going to rotoo— on on private schools. so it's going to raise 1.6— on on private schools. so it's going to raise 1.6 billion. mot-o— going to raise 1.6 billion. that's actually- going to raise 1.6 billion. that's actually going to mean trot— that's actually going to mean that poooto— that's actually going to mean that people take— that's actually going to mean that people take their kids out of that people take their kids out ot mutto— that people take their kids out of private school— that people take their kids out of private school and it's going to—tttttom- of private school and it's going to_billion to. to cost the state 4 billion to otuooto— to cost the state 4 billion to otuooto-rt-o- to cost the state 4 billion to educate it's ridiculous. educate them. it's ridiculous. to — educate them. it's ridiculous. to mott— educate them. it's ridiculous. yes. well done.— educate them. it's ridiculous. yes. well done. that- educate them. it's ridiculous. yes. : yes. well done. that was all for a minute, but well done. yeah, i could go on a very emotive about this. absolutely. i mean, i do

find it absolutely ridiculous that, you know, you've got the likes of astrazeneca, who we were all and lyrical about too not long ago being heroes of, i don't know, some vaccine or other. and now we're telling them that taxes are too high in britain and they're going to ireland instead. exactly. i mean , our corporation— ireland instead. exactly. i mean , our corporation tax— ireland instead. exactly. i mean , our corporation tax is- ”rzi;.r3“r: : exactly. i mean , our corporation tax is going up to— , our corporation tax is going up to 25. — , our corporation tax is going up to 25. mo— , our corporation tax is going up to 25. it's ridiculous . and up to 25. it's ridiculous. and to— up to 25. it's ridiculous. and to to— up to 25. it's ridiculous. and to to ooy— up to 25. it's ridiculous. and to to ooy tor— up to 25. it's ridiculous. and it's to pay for a— up to 25. it's ridiculous. and it's to pay for a bloated public oto— it's to pay for a bloated public sector, which— it's to pay for a bloated public sector, which is— it's to pay for a bloated public sector, which is actually tomogmg— sector, which is actually damaging our- sector, which is actually damaging our economy. so our motto— damaging our economy. so our prtyoto oto— damaging our economy. so our private sector is— damaging our economy. so our private sector is starved of uororot at— private sector is starved of workers. at the _ private sector is starved of workers. at the moment. they're orymg— workers. at the moment. they're orymg out— workers. at the moment. they're crying out there's— workers. at the moment. they're crying out there's a— workers. at the moment. they're crying out there's a real omortogo— crying out there's a real omortogo ot— crying out there's a real shortage of workers in the ooomy rt— shortage of workers in the economy. if we- shortage of workers in the economy. if we slash some of tmooo— economy. if we slash some of ttooo uooooot— economy. if we slash some of these useless, indolent public oto— these useless, indolent public oootor-r-ootoyo- these useless, indolent public sector .jockeys ,- these useless, indolent public sector jockeys , they go to sector desk jockeys, they go to the sector desk jockeys, they go to tho ortvoto — sector desk jockeys, they go to the private sector— sector desk jockeys, they go to the private sector and actually oomoroto— the private sector and actually oomoroto oomo— the private sector and actually generate some wealth for the country. — generate some wealth for the- ooumtry. —you country. leo and darren, do you understand taxes are high understand why taxes are high and why public spending is high ? because demand on the ? because the demand on the ototo— ? because the demand on the ototo to— ? because the demand on the ototo to high— 7” because the demand on the state is high because people all are state is high because people all mot— state is high because people all are not making— state is high because people all are not making enough money at the are not making enough money at tho momot— are not making enough money at the moment because living costs are the moment because living costs oto-mom— the moment because living costs oto-mtgm-tmot— the moment because living costs are-high.-that-beenl are too high. and that has been are too high. and that has been o momom— are too high. and that has been o prottom-tmo— are too high. and that has been a problem the british a problem with the british economy. but— a problem with the british economy. but that's why economy. but that's exactly why we've all seen. we've also just spent of billions of

spent hundreds of billions of pounds on our covid response. we of we spent hundreds of billions of ooumto—ouooortl pounds on an energy support omomo— pounds on an energy support scheme-can't- pounds on an energy support scheme. can't pay for that scheme. you can't pay for that by outtmg— scheme. you can't pay for that by cutting taxes— scheme. you can't pay for that by cutting taxes on huffpost mot— by cutting taxes on huffpost trtot to — by cutting taxes on huffpost trtot to to — by cutting taxes on huffpost tried to do that— by cutting taxes on huffpost tried to do that and it was a ttoootor— tried to do that and it was a ttoootor. — tried to do that and it was a disaster. no,— tried to do that and it was a disaster. no, no,- tried to do that and it was a disaster. \rr:::r “3“rg r:::r“ disaster. no, no, no, hang on. because i genuinely think that our economy is stagnating and will continue to until taxes are cut on individuals. the incense live to work harder, get at that promotion, move up the career ladden promotion, move up the career ladder, invest in whatever property or whatever it is, is reduced massively by the fact that people get caught in tax traps. they're taxed the majority of their income in some cases is their tax tax tax on absolutely everything they do and i genuine only think that is what's causing our economy to stagnate so far. no, it does oomomt— stagnate so far. no, it does demand drivers— stagnate so far. no, it does demand drivers on- g no, it does demand drivers on the state, but the demand drivers on the state, but to ogomg— demand drivers on the state, but the ageing population , the the ageing population, the mummy— the ageing population, the shrinking labour force, what is outtmg— shrinking labour force, what is outtmg toxoo— shrinking labour force, what is cutting taxes do— shrinking labour force, what is cutting taxes do to solve that prottomo — cutting taxes do to solve that prottomo rt— cutting taxes do to solve that problem? . c problem? it stimulates love, it stimulates come down and you call yourself a tory. that's ridiculous. come- t3. that's ridiculous. come down rt.3.. that's ridiculous. come down lower. but mou— ridiculous. come down lower. but mow-you— ridiculous. come down lower. but toulyou tou— ridiculous. come down lower. but toulyou tour to— ridiculous. come down lower. but how you how do how does how do you how do how does outtmg— how do you how do how does

cutting taxes— how do you how do how does cutting taxes sold— how do you how do how does cutting taxes sold and ageing poputottom— cutting taxes sold and ageing population and— cutting taxes sold and ageing population and a shrinking totour— population and a shrinking totour- — population and a shrinking totour- r- population and a shrinking labour-. i mean- population and a shrinking. labour-. i mean that's population and a shrinking- labour-. i mean that's the labour force. i mean that's the thing. i mean taxes are going up. tax putting up taxes up. the tax putting up taxes reduces the tax take. i mean, look at somebody like gary lineker, deeply kind lineker, who's a deeply kind person to all the person who wants to help all the needy people. he tweets about so much, i'm sure. but because taxes so high, he's been taxes are so high, he's been forced avoidance forced into tax avoidance schemes where he pays himself through a limited company. now, isn't a shame gary isn't that a shame that gary lineker unable pay his lineker is unable to pay his fair share of tax? i also think trot— fair share of tax? i also think that poopto— fair share of tax? i also think that poopto ooy,— fair share of tax? i also think that people say,.yes,- ” sn?”r:i; .r3x?’ i also think that people say, yes, i'm that people say, oh yes, i'm comfortable— that people say, oh yes, i'm comfortable with— that people say, oh yes, i'm comfortable with the tax burden being— comfortable with the tax burden tomg mom— comfortable with the tax burden being high, etcetera , etcetera being high, etcetera, etcetera umttt— being high, etcetera, etcetera umttt troy— being high, etcetera, etcetera until they realise just how much troy-ro— until they realise just how much tmoy-ro being— until they realise just how much they're being taxed . it's very they're being taxed. it's very oooy— they're being taxed. it's very oooy tor— they're being taxed. it's very oooy tor young— they're being taxed. it's very easy for young people who who, you mow,— easy for young people who who, you mow, oto— easy for young people who who, you know, are on— easy for young people who who, you know, are on low salaries, so you know, are on low salaries, to troy-ro— you know, are on low salaries, to ttoy-ro mot— you know, are on low salaries, so they're not actually being tarot— so they're not actually being toxot trot— so they're not actually being taxed that much— so they're not actually being taxed that much in their income on taxed that much in their income or trott— taxed that much in their income on their income.— taxed that much in their income on their income. and then as troy— on their income. and then as tmoy got— on their income. and then as tmoy got o— on their income. and then as they get a little— on their income. and then as they get a little bit on and toy— they get a little bit on and toy myo— they get a little bit on and toy movo o— they get a little bit on and they have a family to support omt— they have a family to support mt troy-ro— they have a family to support and they're thinking about ootttmg— and they're thinking about ootttmg -ot- and they're thinking about settling et cetera. et settling down, et cetera. et omoto— settling down, et cetera. et cetera, - realise - settling down, et cetera. et cetera, realise just how cetera, they realise just how much— cetera, they realise just how mum—otm- cetera, they realise just how mum—oto tol cetera, they realise just how. much—slip is going much of their pay slip is going to to— much of their pay slip is going to tho ototo. — much of their pay slip is going to the state. and— much of their pay slip is going to the state. and then they uomort— to the state. and then they wonder,-this- to the state. and then they wonder, this being? is wonder, how is this being? is tuto— wonder, how is this being? is tmo-ooomt— wonder, how is this being? is this-spent-wayl this being spent in the way i wont— this being spent in the way i wont rt— this being spent in the way i wont tt to— this being spent in the way i

want it to be?— this being spent in the way i want it to be? and so many poooto— want it to be? and so many poopto up— want it to be? and so many people up-down- want it to be? and so many people up down the country people up and down the country are people up and down the country oto-ot— people up and down the country oto-or ooymg— people up and down the country oto-or paying oo— people up and down the country are of paying so much taxes are sick of paying so much taxes for are sick of paying so much taxes tor-m— are sick of paying so much taxes tor-m roumt- are sick of paying so much taxes for-in return. but- for very little in return. but to— for very little in return. but to trum— for very little in return. but the truth is,— for very little in return. but the truth is, if— for very little in return. but the truth is, if only they were having— the truth is, if only they were moomt troo— the truth is, if only they were having kids, if— the truth is, if only they were having kids, if only they were otortmg— having kids, if only they were starting families, that's ootuotty— starting families, that's actually unusual actually pretty unusual among poooto— actually pretty unusual among people—alonel people in their 30s, let alone mott— people in their 30s, let alone tmotr-toyo- people in their 30s, let alone their days because their 20s these days because troy— their 20s these days because troy-ttttto - their 20s these days because they little disposable they have so little disposable income-truth- they have so little disposable income-truth is. income. and the truth is because. because taxes are income. and the truth is- because. because taxes are so high-— because. because taxes are so mom-umt— because. because taxes are so high.-what-been. high. that's what i've been saying-— high. that's what i've been saying.-because| high. that's what i've been- saying.-because people saying. benjamin because people momt— saying. benjamin because people momt pott— saying. benjamin because people aren't paid well— saying. benjamin because people aren't paid well enough. you mow.— aren't paid well enough. you know,-thousand- aren't paid well enough. you know, thousand seven, know, in two thousand and seven, we than the average we earned more than the average american. we earned american. today we earned £12,000 less the average £12,000 less than the average american. okay and we pay a lot more tax whether it's tax more tax enough whether it's tax or and truth is that we or not. and the truth is that we don't have enough and we don't have enough workers and we have of old people who have a lot of old people who need a lot health care. and need a lot of health care. and there's only one pay for there's only one way to pay for it. unless you want more it. and so unless you want more immigration, which i do, how do you explain it? i mean, that's ridiculous. if you if you take away— ridiculous. if you if you take away-moomt — ridiculous. if you if you take away-health-from . ridiculous. if you if you takei away-health-from the away the health care from the old away the health care from the ott poopto— away the health care from the ott poopto, rt— away the health care from the old people, it solves the momom— old people, it solves the problem-have- old people, it solves the problem.-have too problem. there have been too many—away.- problem. there have been too many away. health many old people away. health care, obviously,— many old people away. health care, obviously, you have to care, obviously, but you have to pay— care, obviously, but you have to pay-it— care, obviously, but you have to poyltt oomoout - care, obviously, but you have to pay it somehow. ' “r: �*" pay for it somehow. and if you tom-t— pay for it somehow. and if you don't have enough people of working you do that? working age, how do you do that? but it's not. mean, the burden

but it's not. i mean, the burden of but it's not. i mean, the burden ot ott— but it's not. i mean, the burden or at ooopto. — but it's not. i mean, the burden or at people- rt— but it's not. i mean, the burden of all people. if you look at. our—wortot our public sector, i've worked in our public sector, i've worked m-outtto— our public sector, i've worked in-public sector. - our public sector, i've worked in-public sector. i- our public sector, i've worked in public sector. i was left in the public sector. i was left wing— in the public sector. i was left wmg totoro— in the public sector. i was left wmg totoro r— in the public sector. i was left wing before i worked in the outtto— wing before i worked in the public sector. _ wing before i worked in the public sector. that's what tumot— public sector. that's what turned-wing- public sector. that's what turned wing when public sector. that's what. turned-wing when i public sector. that's what- turned-wing when i saw turned me right wing when i saw the turned me right wing when i saw to uooto— turned me right wing when i saw to uooto omt— turned me right wing when i saw the waste and the— turned me right wing when i saw the waste and the profligacy, we ooutt —ott- the waste and the profligacy, we could _ all these i the waste and the profligacy, we could officers, all these the waste and the profligacy, we could officers, all all these the waste and the profligacy, we could officers, all these these policy officers, all these oouottty— policy officers, all these equality, diversity and inclusion— inclusion coordinators. it's a momoomoo-tuot- inclusion coordinators. it's a nonsense. just wasting nonsense. we're just wasting momoy— money. the biggest spend of the ototo— money. the biggest spend of the state-pensions— money. the biggest spend of the state pensions than health state is on pensions than health mose— state is on pensions than health care. these aren't— state is on pensions than health care. these aren't sort- care. these aren't sort of wasteful departments of wasteful civil servants. these are doctors, and for doctors, nurses and paying for older people's you older people's pensions. you can't just cut you can't just cut staff out of out of cut staff out of that, out of those problems. but i mean, the moto— those problems. but i mean, the "iple-examplet- triple lock, for example, i mom-tumo- triple lock, for example, i mean,-bring up- triple lock, for example, i mean, bring up pensions. the mean, you bring up pensions. the moto— mean, you bring up pensions. the triple—incredibly- mean, you bring up pensions. the triple—incredibly ,. triple lock was was incredibly, morotttty— triple lock was was incredibly, incredibly generous to old poopto— incredibly generous to old people- amt— incredibly generous to old people. and it's basically trttmg— people. and it's basically bribing people to vote for bribing old people to vote for whoever's . power. - bribing old people to vote for whoever's power. they're whoever's in power. they're ooymg— whoever's in power. they're ooytmgltoot— whoever's in power. they're saying look, going to saying, look, we're going to moto— saying, look, we're going to moto-you-ro- saying, look, we're going to. make .you're-after saying, look, we're going to makwe've you're after saying, look, we're going to makwe've seen'e after saying, look, we're going to makwe've seen the after saying, look, we're going to makwe've seen the proportion of and we've seen the proportion of the and we've seen the proportion of tho motor-o— and we've seen the proportion of the nation's wealth— and we've seen the proportion of the nation's wealth is concentrated - the nation's wealth is concentrated , is being more concentrated, is being more oomoomtrotot— concentrated, is being more concentrated in— concentrated, is being more concentrated in the older generations— concentrated in the older generations who have equity , who generations who have equity, who myo— generations who have equity, who moo proporty. — generations who have equity, who have property. yeah,— generations who have equity, who have property. t“/r:i;r3“ have property. yeah, ijust worry we're creating an worry that we're creating an economy where very richest economy where the very richest people , all who are more mobile people, all who are more mobile than they've ever been in their lives, look at the tax lives, will look at the tax burden and think, know what,

burden and think, you know what, i'll to dubai. i'll go i'll go off to dubai. i'll go off know, florida, the off to, you know, florida, the sunshine state, where i'll be taxed less, then the rest of taxed less, and then the rest of us, the middle class, working class people of this country, us, the middle class, working clasbulkyple of this country, us, the middle class, working clasbulk ofe of this country, us, the middle class, working clasbulk of the this country, us, the middle class, working clasbulk of the backbone :ry, the the bulk of the backbone of the country will be taxed to country will just be taxed to high heaven pay it all. high heaven to pay for it all. but you is but do you think is this a fundamental question of we've become a something for nothing nafion become a something for nothing nation in which we expect the state everything state to do everything and actually down given actually lock down has given people idea that the state people the idea that the state can do everything and now everybody thinks that, you know, because nobody knew that that money covid money existed before covid happened. and money existed before covid happened . and then suddenly happened. and then suddenly covru— happened. and then suddenly covid happened— happened. and then suddenly covid happened-the- covid happened and the goyommomt— covid happened and the government all these government got all these tumtroto— government got all these - hundreds—pounds hundreds of billions of pounds to pay— hundreds of billions of pounds to ooy-to— hundreds of billions of pounds to pay to nothing. and to pay for us to do nothing. and mow—uto— to pay for us to do nothing. and now—like, well,- now people are like, well, tot-o,— now people are like, well, tort-toot- now people are like, well, let's, keep that. let's let's, let's keep that. let's toot— let's, let's keep that. let's keep trot— let's, let's keep that. let's keep that going. now, you keep that going. and now, you mou— keep that going. and now, you know, are so everybody know, people are so everybody in ottom— know, people are so everybody in trttom-tmo— know, people are so everybody in britain the government to britain wants the government to oomo—mott- britain wants the government toi come _their bums come round and wipe their bums for come round and wipe their bums tor mom.— come round and wipe their bums tor tmom. mot— come round and wipe their bums for them. that basically the for them. that is basically the momtottty— for them. that is basically the momtottty-tot- for them. that is basically the. mentality-lot-have. mentality that a lot of us have. amt— mentality that a lot of us have. amtltmmt— mentality that a lot of us have. and ithink-need— mentality that a lot of us have. andithink.need to- mentality that a lot of us have. and think need to break and i think we need to break trot— and i think we need to break that out— and i think we need to break that out got— and i think we need to break that and get back to being a tymomto— that and get back to being a dynamic nation. ' .rzi;.«r dynamic nation. absolutely. trott— dynamic nation. absolutely. wet, r— dynamic nation. absolutely. wet, r tmmt— dynamic nation. absolutely. well, i think we're— dynamic nation. absolutely. well, i think we're a- dynamic nation. ' .rzi;.«r well, i think we're a very tymomto— well, i think we're a very dynamic-this. well, i think we're a very. dynamic-this this dynamic panel on this this ovommg. — dynamic panel on this this ovommg. r— dynamic panel on this this evening. i wonder if anyone i uomort— evening. i wonder if anyone i uomtor-ot- evening. i wonder if anyone i wonder-at home. wonder if anyone at home ootuotty—

wonder if anyone at home actually disagrees with the with the actually disagrees with the with tho toot, — actually disagrees with the with tho toot, m— actually disagrees with the with tho toot, to my— actually disagrees with the with the fact, in my -we- actually disagrees with the with the fact, in my we pay too the fact, in my view, we pay too much — the fact, in my view, we pay too mum-m— the fact, in my view, we pay too mum-m mo— the fact, in my view, we pay too much-in the uk— the fact, in my view, we pay too much in the uk with albie . much tax in the uk with albie. oh,— much tax in the uk with albie. om-vuott.— much tax in the uk with albie. oh,-well, we'll- much tax in the uk with albie. oh, .well, we'll find - oh, no. well, we'll find out because coming the because coming up after the break. it is albee's argument utoro— break. it is albee's argument utoro mott— break. it is albee's argument where he'll explain- it is albee's argument where he'll explain uk where he'll explain how the uk is where he'll explain how the uk to oo— where he'll explain how the uk to ot— where he'll explain how the uk to ot mo— where he'll explain how the uk is one of the least— where he'll explain how the uk is one of the least racist ooumtry— is one of the least racist ooumtry m— is one of the least racist country in the- is one of the least racist country in the world. you're utm— country in the world. you're uttt—ttvol with the saturday five live

to gb news radio show . well to gb news radio show. well, come back to the [15 \r 13r: well, come back to the saturday [15 \r 13: well, come back to the saturday five, as come back to the saturday five, to otuoyo— come back to the saturday five, to otuoyo .— come back to the saturday five, as always , thanks— come back to the saturday five, as always , thanks for all of as always, thanks for all of your— as always, thanks for all of your omotto— as always, thanks for all of your emails about tonight's tootoo— your emails about tonight's toptoo, morto— your emails about tonight's topics, maria said. benjamin mooto— topics, maria said. benjamin mooto to— topics, maria said. benjamin mooto to got— topics, maria said. benjamin needs to get his— topics, maria said. benjamin needs to get his facts correct to — needs to get his facts correct to myo— needs to get his facts correct over 70 have had— needs to get his facts correct over 70 have had to pay the mono— over 70 have had to pay the ttoomoo .— over 70 have had to pay the licence . it's— over 70 have had to pay the licence . it's over- over 70 have had to pay the licence . it's over 75 on low licence. it's over 75 on low income that— licence. it's over 75 on low income that don't. i do not ottom— income that don't. i do not watch mo— income that don't. i do not watch the bbc— income that don't. i do not watch the bbc and i only pay the mono— watch the bbc and i only pay the ttoomoo too— watch the bbc and i only pay the licence fee so— watch the bbc and i only pay the licence fee so that— watch the bbc and i only pay the licence fee so that i— watch the bbc and i only pay the licence fee so that i can safely ottom— licence fee so that i can safely uotot oo— licence fee so that i can safely watch gb news.— licence fee so that i can safely watch gb news. i'll pop your floor— watch gb news. i'll pop your ttvor m— watch gb news. i'll pop your ttvor m to— watch gb news. i'll pop your fiver in the post,— watch gb news. i'll pop your fiver in the post, keith said. oomom— fiver in the post, keith said. door to— fiver in the post, keith said. door to o— fiver in the post, keith said. darren is a canny lad, but can someone tell— darren is a canny lad, but can someone tell him _ darren is a canny lad, but can someone tell him that it's a ten tot— someone tell him that it's a ten tot moto— someone tell him that it's a ten tot moto, mot— someone tell him that it's a ten bob note, not nine. . bob note, not nine. i know it's more— bob note, not nine. i know it's before his time so i will forgive him. by the way, i still too— forgive him. by the way, i still movo om— forgive him. by the way, i still have one. oh, we— forgive him. by the way, i still have one. oh, we are- r:::r”rg “ by the way, i still have one. oh, we are quite tight up mortu— have one. oh, we are quite tight up north. mot-o— have one. oh, we are quite tight up north. that's true. now it's

ttmo— up north. that's true. now it's ttmo tor— up north. that's true. now it's ttmo tor our— up north. that's true. now it's time for our next— up north. that's true. now it's time for our next debate . time for our next debate. up moot.— time for our next debate. up root. to— time for our next debate. up next, it's albie.— time for our next debate. up next, it's albie. he's- time for our next debate. up next, it's albie. he's going to talk about how the uk is one of the least racist countries in the least racist countries in the world. start the clock. why has it become controversial to simply say the truth according to a king's college london study, britain is one of the least racist countries in the world. yeah, you heard it. one of world. yeah, you heard it. one ot troo— world. yeah, you heard it. one ot tto tooot— world. yeah, you heard it. one of the least racist— : yeah, you heard it. one of the least racist countries in too— of the least racist countries in too worto. — of the least racist countries in the world. but— of the least racist countries in the world. but that's not the narrative that the left would have you believe. now, there are otootutoty— have you believe. now, there are absolutely racial— now, there are absolutely racial disparities to otooo— absolutely racial disparities to otooo m— absolutely racial disparities to close in health— absolutely racial disparities to close in health care , in close in health care, in employment,- close in health care, in employment, in education, in policing-— employment, in education, in oottotmo. out— employment, in education, in policing. but just 2% of brits uouto— policing. but just 2% of brits wouto to— policing. but just 2% of brits would be unhappy to live, to too— would be unhappy to live, to too to— would be unhappy to live, to live to next,— would be unhappy to live, to live to next, someone of a otttoromt— live to next, someone of a different race.— live to next, someone of a different race. we also have ot— different race. we also have ot troo— different race. we also have some of the most accepting ottttuooo— some of the most accepting attitudes towards religious mmortttoo— attitudes towards religious minorities and— attitudes towards religious minorities and gay people as moroorot— minorities and gay people as margaret thatcher might say, tuot— margaret thatcher might say, tuot rototoo— margaret thatcher might say, tuot rototoo ot— margaret thatcher might say, just rejoice at that news. now, moro— just rejoice at that news. now, too to— just rejoice at that news. now, there is progress— just rejoice at that news. now, there is progress to make, but rm— there is progress to make, but r-m ottom— there is progress to make, but i'm british, i'm— there is progress to make, but i'm british, i'm black, i'm gay

, omo— i'm british, i'm black, i'm gay , omo ttoro-o— i'm british, i'm black, i'm gay , and there's no— i'm british, i'm black, i'm gay , and there's no other country in , and there's no other country to too— , and there's no other country to too worto— , and there's no other country in the world i'd— , and there's no other country in the world i'd rather live in trom— in the world i'd rather live in mom to— in the world i'd rather live in than the united— in the world i'd rather live in than the united kingdom of great ottom— than the united kingdom of great orttom omo— than the united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland. so why— britain and northern ireland. so why to— britain and northern ireland. so why to tt— britain and northern ireland. so why to tt trot— britain and northern ireland. so why is it that it's— britain and northern ireland. so why is it that it's so difficult for why is it that it's so difficult tor tro— why is it that it's so difficult tor tto tott— why is it that it's so difficult for the left just— why is it that it's so difficult for the left just to take a win? mot-o— for the left just to take a win? mot-o tt. — for the left just to take a win? that's it. there— for the left just to take a win? that's it. there you - for the left just to take a win? that's it. “rt”rt; grtr for the left just to take a win? that's it. “rt;”rt; grtr g that's it. there you go. strong stuff. so, that's it. there you go. strong stuff . so, benjamin that's it. there you go. strong stuff. so, benjamin , i do- that's it. “rt;”rt; grtr g so, benjamin , i do want stuff. so, benjamin, i do want to oor— stuff. so, benjamin, i do want to oot you— stuff. so, benjamin, i do want to ask you about— stuff. so, benjamin, i do want to ask you about the- so, benjamin, i do want to ask you about the last point trot— to ask you about the last point tmot r— to ask you about the last point tmot r motto.— to ask you about the last point that i made, because it has tooomo— that i made, because it has become almost— that i made, because it has become almost dirty on the left to ooy— become almost dirty on the left to ooy trot— become almost dirty on the left to say that britain— become almost dirty on the left to say that britain is a less rootot— to say that britain is a less racist country— to say that britain is a less racist country now than it was in racist country now than it was to too— racist country now than it was to to root. — racist country now than it was in the past. but— racist country now than it was in the past. .“rt;”rt; r3”rt; .. in the past. but there are still disparities to close. you almost have to say britain is racist. you can't say that any progress has been made. otherwise people jump has been made. otherwise people jump down your throat. why do you think that is? but look, i don't you think that is? but look, i oom-t ooooot— you think that is? but look, i don't accept the _ 37 but look, i don't accept the framing of your ouoottom— don't accept the framing of your ouoottom m— don't accept the framing of your question in the— don't accept the framing of your question in the first place, omot— question in the first place, motor to— question in the first place, which is the— question in the first place, which is the idea that in your ot— which is the idea that in your ot your— which is the idea that in your case of your pitch, that we omouto — case of your pitch, that we omouto to — case of your pitch, that we should be grateful that it's the root— should be grateful that it's the tooot rootot— should be grateful that it's the least racist-it's- should be grateful that it's the least racist it's the least racist place or it's the roost— least racist place or it's the least homophobic place. for oxompto— least homophobic place. for example .— least homophobic place. for example . r— least homophobic place. for example . i think that actually example. i think that actually for example. i think that actually to o— example. i think that actually tor o rot— example. i think that actually tor o tot ot— example. i think that actually for a lot of people who might tooo— for a lot of people who might face prejudice,— for a lot of people who might face prejudice, who might face toruors— face prejudice, who might face barriers, who _ face prejudice, who might face barriers, who might face tuooomouts— barriers, who might face judgements in their to day

judgements in their day to day rtvos— judgements in their day to day ttvos uuou— judgements in their day to day lives, when they're facing those toutors— lives, when they're facing those barriers because _ lives, when they're facing those barriers because they're black or ouotuor— barriers because they're black or another description, it ooosu-t— or another description, it doesn't—it's. or another description, it. doesn't—it's less doesn't matter that it's less too— doesn't matter that it's less too tuou— doesn't matter that it's less bad than some— doesn't matter that it's less bad than some other countries. tuot— bad than some other countries. tuot moous— bad than some other countries. that means that— bad than some other countries. that means that they are right uuou— that means that they are right oomom-stout— that means that they are right wuou-stouo uo— that means that they are right when stand up and that when they stand up and say that tuoy— when they stand up and say that tuoy-rootst— when they stand up and say that they racist problem in they have a racist problem in ms— they have a racist problem in tuts-r— they have a racist problem in tuts-r trout- they have a racist problem in this-i didn't say- they have a racist problem in this i didn't say there this country. i didn't say there osut— this country. i didn't say there wasn't-problem- this country. i didn't say there wasn't-problem in- this country. i didn't say there wasn't problem in the wasn't a racist problem in the oouutry. — wasn't a racist problem in the oouutry. armo— wasn't a racist problem in the country. arnie i— wasn't a racist problem in the country. arnie i did- wasn't a racist problem in the country. arnie i did say that there were racial disparity to close important areas, close in those important areas, which my question which i highlighted. my question was racism? was that evidence of racism? well, cases, i think if well, in some cases, i think if you— well, in some cases, i think if you root— well, in some cases, i think if you took ot— well, in some cases, i think if you look at, let's— well, in some cases, i think if you look at, let's say, a otsoouty— you look at, let's say, a otsoouty tu— you look at, let's say, a disparity in policing, for oxomoto— disparity in policing, for example, actually the conservative - example, actually the conservative party has done some omoztuo— conservative party has done some omoztuo-stoo— conservative party has done some amazing stop search amazing work on stop and search otsoouttos — amazing work on stop and search otsoouttos lt— amazing work on stop and search disparities. .i think- amazing work on stop and search disparities. so i think two years ago, the and search years ago, the stop and search disparity black men and disparity between black men and white men was almost nine. and they that disparity down they brought that disparity down to under five. so that is to just under five. so that is a that a huge cut in the that is a huge cut in the likelihood of you getting stopped and searched black stopped and searched as a black person white person in person versus a white person in in years time. now, you in two years time. now, you could argue some could make the argument that disparity is argument that that disparity is as a of racism. if you as a result of racism. if you look some care look at some health care disparities, for example . well, disparities, for example. well, there literally some medical there are literally some medical pieces would pieces of equipment that would work better on your skin than my

skin because of the that skin because of the way that it's been designed. some people would racist would ask that was racist and some of disparities in some of the disparities in health that we see health care that we see are racist. yes, i think racist. so, yes, i do think sometimes disparity can equal racism, doesn't always racism, but it doesn't always equal racism. but darren, do you tutut— equal racism. but darren, do you tutut tuoro— equal racism. but darren, do you tutut tuoro ts— equal racism. but darren, do you think there is any— equal racism. but darren, do you think there is any truth- : ”3rt. but darren, do you think there is any truth in ooopto— think there is any truth in new“! omo— think there is any truth in people who say , despite what people who say, despite what i too— people who say, despite what i too sort.— people who say, despite what i have said, that— people who say, despite what i have said, that britain has tooomo— have said, that britain has become less— have said, that britain has become less open and tolerant su— become less open and tolerant since brexit? _ become less open and tolerant since brexit? no,— become less open and tolerant since brexit? \rtr since brexit? no, that's absolute nonsense. no, i think that since brexit there has been a push from , um, the grievance a push from, um, the grievance industry to actually report hate crimes more than ever. i mean, sadiq khan had a big campaign , sadiq khan had a big campaign, for example. don't think it's for example. i don't think it's there is evidence whatsoever there is any evidence whatsoever that britain has become more intolerant . and actually, i intolerant. and actually, i disagree with on stop and disagree with you on stop and search because i think search as well, because i think the evidence suggests that stop and search works. cressida dick, when the when she was head of the metropol britain actually metropol britain police actually defended it quite robustly. and i she was right to do so i think she was right to do so because saving in because it's saving lives in london which knife crime is london in which knife crime is spiking like you wouldn't believe. black mothers , for believe. black mothers, for example, are being interviewed all time . when say

all the time. when did i say i was against stop and search you know, you said that the fact of the matter that and the matter is that stop and search is balanced now between white and black. was white and black. it was balanced. disparity balanced. i said the disparity that getting that was getting better. i didn't say didn't say lives didn't say i didn't say lives personally. didn't say i was personally. i didn't say i was anti stop and search. and that's, i think, what- and that's, i think, what you tuouout— that's, i think, what you tuouout r— that's, i think, what you thought i had- that's, i think, what you thought i had said. emily what omot— thought i had said. emily what wuotlyou— thought i had said. emily what what-you think— thought i had said. emily what what you think about whether what do you think about whether or what do you think about whether otum—ousouo- what do you think about whether or_ answering the- or not people answering the sumoy— or not people answering the survey-actually- or not people answering the survey actually answering or not people answering the survey if actually answering or not people answering the survey if you ally answering or not people answering the survey if you didn'tiswering or not people answering the survey if you didn't want ng or not people answering the survey if you didn't want to honestly if you didn't want to too— honestly if you didn't want to to most— honestly if you didn't want to to most to — honestly if you didn't want to live next to someone of a otttorout— live next to someone of a different race,— live next to someone of a different race, would you really wouro— different race, would you really uouro you— different race, would you really would you really— different race, would you really would you really admit that in a sumoyo— would you really admit that in a sumoyo so— would you really admit that in a sumoyo so oom— would you really admit that in a survey? so can we— would you really admit that in a survey? so can we trust this toto — survey? so can we trust this toto o — survey? so can we trust this toto o wort.— survey? so can we trust this data .7 well,lthink- survey? so can we trust this data ? �*tftr�*rt;.. “

exactly true . so they might wish exactly true. so they might wish to appear less racist even though it's anonymous. so it was probably safer than another survey where you put your name and contact details and everything else. but think it everything else. but i think it does overwhelmingly that does show overwhelmingly that people are tolerant . i think people are tolerant. i think people's issues with immigration and things like that, rising in such a way, i don't think that should be equated with racism. i think we hear this a lot. oh, you don't like too much immigration , therefore you must immigration, therefore you must be a racist. yeah i think those concerns need to be heard and people shouldn't be labelled as a racist. and what a racist. and that's what happened brexit. do think happened with brexit. i do think language i'm language is important. leo i'm interested to know— language is important. leo i'm interested to know-you. interested to know what you tutut— interested to know what you tutut otout— interested to know what you think about this— interested to know what you think about this because is why is think about this because is why tsltuot— think about this because is why tsltuot tuoro— think about this because is why islthat there are— think about this because is why is that there are some people is it that there are some people on is it that there are some people ou-uuo— is it that there are some people ou-uuo-so- is it that there are some people on-who-so resist on the right who seem so resist strut— on the right who seem so resist sttut to— on the right who seem so resist sttut to oom— on the right who seem so resist stint to even using— on the right who seem so resist stint to even using the word to — stint to even using the word racism to describe a phenomenon tuot— racism to describe a phenomenon tuot uo— racism to describe a phenomenon tuot uo soo— racism to describe a phenomenon tuot uo tu— racism to describe a phenomenon that we see in society? why is it that we see in society? why is t so— that we see in society? why is t so moro— that we see in society? why is it so hard for— that we see in society? why is it so hard for some on the right to soy— it so hard for some on the right to soy-rootst— it so hard for some on the right to say-racist and- it so hard for some on the right to say racist and that's to say that's racist and that's uuooooototro— to say that's racist and that's unacceptable ? _ to say that's racist and that's unacceptable ? \rrtr to say that's racist and that's unacceptable ? \rtr grt. to say that's racist and that's unacceptable ? \rtr gt. unacceptable? no, i've got no problem calling out racism. i mean, today i a cartoon mean, just today i saw a cartoon in the guardian that was deeply

anti—semitic. and i a lot of anti—semitic. and i see a lot of anti—semitism on the left, you know, among know, particularly among momentum that . momentum and cranks like that. but yeah, mean, i don't think but yeah, i mean, i don't think i think if people people seem to see the right as the natural home of racism, i think maybe maybe 50 years that might maybe 50 years ago that might have true, but not anymore. maybe 50 years ago that might hmean, true, but not anymore. maybe 50 years ago that might hmean, lookie, but not anymore. maybe 50 years ago that might hmean, look at but not anymore. maybe 50 years ago that might hmean, look at but current'more. maybe 50 years ago that might hmean, look at but current toryt. i mean, look at the current tory party. they've got the most racially diverse cabinet in uk history that skin colour history showing that skin colour is forming is no barrier to forming a lacklustre government. benjamin why do you lacklustre government. benjamin why to you tutut— lacklustre government. benjamin why do you think that— lacklustre government. benjamin why do you think that it's- why do you think that it's ottttoutt— why do you think that it's difficult for— why do you think that it's difficult for some people on the trout— difficult for some people on the mom to— difficult for some people on the right to describe— difficult for some people on the right to describe things as what i right to describe things as what r tumu— right to describe things as what i think, because— right to describe things as what i think, because i— right to describe things as what i think, because i do think that is i think, because i do think that ts—. — i think, because i do think that ts—. rt-s— i think, because i do think that is_. it's somethingj is something. it's something which frustrates personally. which frustrates me personally. i on the right find which frustrates me personally. i difficult on the right find which frustrates me personally. i difficult to on the right find which frustrates me personally. i difficult to describe right find which frustrates me personally. i difficult to describe things nd it difficult to describe things as racist. you think that as racist. why do you think that is? there are a lot of white ooooro— is? there are a lot of white ww“! tu— is? there are a lot of white ww“! tu tuts— 37 there are a lot of white people in this country arnie who wuou— people in this country arnie who wuou-utstory— people in this country arnie who when-historylraciall when britain's history or racial otsoouttos— when britain's history or racial disparities _take disparities are raised, i'd take it disparities are raised, i'd take ttlsomo— disparities are raised, i'd take it.some-personall it as some kind of personal ottrout— it as some kind of personal affront and— it as some kind of personal affront and-not- it as some kind of personal affront and not willing to affront and are not willing to rotoouoso— affront and are not willing to recognise issues. recognise those issues. but outto— recognise those issues. but outto ottom— recognise those issues. but quite often it— recognise those issues. but quite often it is— recognise those issues. but quite often it is a personal attack. people, there's all these books that are, you know, devoted whiteness. devoted to abolishing whiteness. well hang on, you know, you just talked about fact that we talked about the fact that we have many ethnic people

have many ethnic minority people in on the one in the cabinet, which on the one handis in the cabinet, which on the one hand is certainly a good thing. and a situation and yet you have a situation uuoro— and yet you have a situation wuoro wutto— and yet you have a situation where white people from ukraine can where white people from ukraine sou-strotout— where white people from ukraine can-straight into- where white people from ukraine can straight into refugee can come straight into a refugee suomo— can come straight into a refugee souomoltuts— can come straight into a refugee scheme this country . but scheme in this country. but uou—uutto— scheme in this country. but non—white people overwhelmingly trom— non—white people overwhelmingly trom oomou— non—white people overwhelmingly from yemen, from _ non—white people overwhelmingly from yemen, from afghanistan . from yemen, from afghanistan. wuot— from yemen, from afghanistan. wuot otout— from yemen, from afghanistan. what about like— from yemen, from afghanistan. what about like what about they too— what about like what about they too uo— what about like what about they too uo rotor— what about like what about they have no legal what about oouttuout— have no legal what about continent that— have no legal what about continent that was involved in institutional— continent that was involved in institutional racism? i don't mou— institutional racism? i don't tuow uuot— institutional racism? i don't know what what about what about all know what what about what about or ot— know what what about what about or ot tuo — know what what about what about or or too ooooro— know what what about what about all of the people that are that tortuo— all of the people that are that ootttuo sotoy— all of the people that are that was getting spicy . .. : was getting spicy. still ahead, we have got benjamin's bugbear. he thinks gambling advertising should be banned . you're the should be banned. you're the saturday five live on .

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triple lock. it is not looking after the pensioners. they are the lowest paid in europe. many oaps receive under nine k mostly women . the oaps. mr curse refers women. the oaps. mr curse refers to are not the majority most only have a state patient. please please re—educate yourself . mr curse. she says yourself. mr curse. she says people around dedicate yourself . sue says yes, we do pay too much tax. oh, she agrees with you, leo. there the tax take would increase if taxes were lower. it has been proved time and time again to many of the working age. people are employed by government. let's sack by the government. let's sack half servants and move half the civil servants and move them proper jobs. yes. oof them into properjobs. yes. oof but now it is time for our next debate. up but now it is time for our next debate . up next, it's benjamin debate. up next, it's benjamin out— debate. up next, it's benjamin out uo-s— debate. up next, it's benjamin out uo-s oomo— debate. up next, it's benjamin and he's going to— : up next, it's benjamin and he's going to tell us about why— and he's going to tell us about uuy uo— and he's going to tell us about why uo tututs— and he's going to tell us about why he thinks gambling advertising— why he thinks gambling advertising should be banned. stou— advertising should be banned. stort tuo— advertising should be banned. start the clock— advertising should be banned. start the clock . _ advertising should be banned. start the clock . “cir?" start the clock. yeah, that's right. gambler ing ruins people's lives. it's highly addictive. _ people's lives. it's highly addictive. it— people's lives. it's highly addictive. it drains people of their money. that's why the government announce it this week that there will be new rules

that there will be new rules that mean that if someone loses £500, they can no longer keep gambling. if they lose £2,000 over 90 days, they will have to go through a credit check to stop them being able to bankrupt themselves . but the truth is themselves. but the truth is that £500 to one person might be a reasonable loss, but a tragedy to another . and the real problem to another. and the real problem tuot— to another. and the real problem tuot uo— to another. and the real problem tuot to too— to another. and the real problem that we have in— to another. and the real problem that we have in our— and the real problem that we have in our gambling tuoustry— that we have in our gambling tuoustry ts— that we have in our gambling industry is that— that we have in our gambling industry is that they try to ootut— industry is that they try to ootut tt— industry is that they try to ootut tt os— industry is that they try to paint it as sexy- industry is that they try to paint it as sexy and try to lure ooooro— paint it as sexy and try to lure ooooro tu— paint it as sexy and try to lure ooooro tu uttu— paint it as sexy and try to lure people in with advertising. �*7 people in with advertising. if we're serious— people in with advertising. if we're serious and— people in with advertising. if we're serious and the- people in with advertising. if we're serious and the government is serious about capping gambling and recovering the addicts who get addicted , then addicts who get addicted, then they should ban it and have the exact same attitude that we had to has far few to smoking that has seen far few people up the habit because people take up the habit because they don't see it in the same attractive way. let's do the same gambling. oh attractive way. let's do the same gambling . oh well, same with gambling. oh well, there you go. with— g “g oh well, there you go. with within time ttutsuoo. — there you go. with within time finished. really— there you go. with within time finished. 1 g finished. really though, benjamin gamble. benjamin efficient never gamble. exactly . so look , i think exactly. so look, i think tuoro-s— exactly. so look, i think there's probably a libertarian oroumout— there's probably a libertarian argument that— there's probably a libertarian argument that says that people suouto— argument that says that people suouto to— argument that says that people should be aware— argument that says that people should be aware of all these tutuos— should be aware of all these tutuos out— should be aware of all these things and make decisions for

ttomsotvos— things and make decisions for themselves. but— things and make decisions for themselves. but the nature of oomtrtuo— themselves. but the nature of oomtrtuo out— themselves. but the nature of gambling and you hear so many stouos— gambling and you hear so many stories about— gambling and you hear so many stories about people that get ooototoo— stories about people that get addicted and— stories about people that get addicted and by— stories about people that get addicted and by the very nature of addicted and by the very nature or soouotuo— addicted and by the very nature of spending money, it can outotry— of spending money, it can outotry rum— of spending money, it can quickly ruin their lives. oomou— quickly ruin their lives.i darren,_think quickly ruin their lives. - darren,_think that darren, do you not think that tuts— darren, do you not think that tuts ts— darren, do you not think that this is something that shouldn't darren, do you not think that thi thrustnething that shouldn't darren, do you not think that thi thrust underg that shouldn't darren, do you not think that thi thrust under people'souldn't darren, do you not think that thi thrust under people's nosest be thrust under people's noses to—tuom— be thrust under people's nosesi to_them addicted? be thrust under people's noses. to _them addicted? i to try and get them addicted? i think— to try and get them addicted? i think took,— to try and get them addicted? i think look,-statists- to try and get them addicted? i think look,-statists like. think look, nanny statists like you, benjamin , are actually you, benjamin, are actually going regulate the sector so going to regulate the sector so much that all you end up doing is pushing those who do have gambling addictions to dodgy websites that do allow them to spend daft sums of money. but take kenya for example. there was research done by the institute of economic affairs that suggested that actually all we're going to do is push people onto websites that aren't regulated by the british state and are in the black market. and i don't think that that's right or reasonable. i think that there's a balance to strike. there are problem gamblers. i think— there are problem gamblers. i think n-s— there are problem gamblers. i think it's 0.3%_ there are problem gamblers. i think it's 0.3% of— there are problem gamblers. i think it's 0.3% of the popular ocean who are— think it's 0.3% of the popular ocean who are problem gamblers. i'm ocean who are problem gamblers. im sure— ocean who are problem gamblers. rm there— ocean who are problem gamblers. i'm sure there are— ocean who are problem gamblers. i'm sure there are more people who— i'm sure there are more people who have— i'm sure there are more people who have problems with alcohol. there— who have problems with alcohol. there are— who have problems with alcohol. there are probably— who have problems with alcohol. there are probably more people who— there are probably more people who have— there are probably more people who have problems with drugs n...— who have problems with drugs than-actually—

who have problems with drugs than-actuallylour- than that actually in our country.— than that actually in our country-this- than that actually in our country. this isn't this country. so this isn't this ahsohhheh— country. so this isn't this absolutely ginormous problem. it's absolutely ginormous problem. h-s hot— absolutely ginormous problem. h-s not a— absolutely ginormous problem. it's not a public— absolutely ginormous problem. it's not a public health issue in n..— it's not a public health issue in the same— it's not a public health issue in the same way— it's not a public health issue in the same way as, say, alcohol or drugs.— in the same way as, say, alcohol or drugs. huh— in the same way as, say, alcohol or hugs. huh h— in the same way as, say, alcohol or drugs. but it can,— in the same way as, say, alcohol or drugs. but it can, as you say , huh— or drugs. but it can, as you say , phone-s— or drugs. but it can, as you say , ruin people's lives and i think— , ruin people's lives and i think gambling companies who do , of course, make— think gambling companies who do , of course, make huge amounts of hone-y— , of course, make huge amounts oh my h-s— , of course, make huge amounts of moey me o— , of course, make huge amounts of money. it's a £14— , of course, make huge amounts of money. it's a £14 billion mommy,— of money. it's a £14 billion industry, should- of money. it's a £14 billion industry, should have some responsibility— industry, should have some responsibility to help problem gomhhem— responsibility to help problem gomhhem hm— responsibility to help problem gamblers. but i'm not sure having— gamblers. but i'm not sure hovhne .— gamblers. but i'm not sure hovhng , yon— gamblers. but i'm not sure having , you know, gamblers. but i'm not sure having, you know, maximum stokes.— having, you know, maximum ehohee. .— having, you know, maximum stakes. i think— having, you know, maximum stakes. i think they want to hove— stakes. i think they want to have n...— stakes. i think they want to have lower ones- stakes. i think they want to have lower ones for the under 20 mee— have lower ones for the under 20 hvee one— have lower ones for the under 20 fives and things— have lower ones for the under 20 fives and things they want to do all fives and things they want to do oh eons— fives and things they want to do oh eons of— fives and things they want to do all sorts of banning and whomoh. — all sorts of banning and whatnot. i'm— all sorts of banning and whatnot. i'm not sure that will oomomy— whatnot. i'm not sure that will oomohy make— whatnot. i'm not sure that will actually make a— whatnot. i'm not sure that will actually make a real life difference _ actually make a real life difference . _ actually make a real life difference . ' z actually make a real life difference . ' “2 �*" “2 actually make a real life difference. “2 �*" “2 2 actually make a real life- difference . and i find it really difference. and i find it really patronising, patronising , patronising, patronising, frankly, this idea that if you see a gambling company on a football shirt that you're going to be like, do you know what? i must go put a bet on. i must ruin my life. that is that is how— ruin my life. that is that is how advertising— “ 2 �*72; that is that is how advertising works. i mean, moh— how advertising works. i mean, mot-me— how advertising works. i mean, that-the essence— how advertising works. i mean, that the essence of that's that is the essence of that's why— that is the essence of that's why hey— that is the essence of that's why hhey oo— that is the essence of that's why hey no n.— that is the essence of that's why they do it. it's not welcome moh— why they do it. it's not welcome mm we— why they do it. it's not welcome mm we see— why they do it. it's not welcome mm we h— why they do it. it's not welcome that we see it, because otherwise— that we see it, because otherwise there would be. nooehou— otherwise there would be. football .the _ otherwise there would be. footballlthe most- otherwise there would be. football the most popular football is the most popular sport in the country. you would

have way more of problem have way more cases of problem gambling we actually do gambling than we actually do have problem gambling has increased. and i would agree with— increased. and i would agree whh mm. — increased. and i would agree with that. actually- increased. and i would agree with that. actually has- 22 and i would agree with that. 2 2 with that. actually has it has not. there is not the- with that. 2 2 there is not the evidence. not. there is not the evidence. he— not. there is not the evidence. he heome— not. there is not the evidence. it's become more— not. there is not the evidence. it's become more of— there is not the evidence. it's become more of a problem moh— it's become more of a problem mm peonhe— it's become more of a problem mm people me— it's become more of a problem that people are aware of. 2“ that people are aware of. then seeing—the- that people are aware of. then seeing—the facts.�* seeing as you know, the facts. but say is that but what i would say is that i think there is a balance to be struck and actually, i think what's from the what's missing from the conversation the most conversation is what the most problem technique of problem matic hook technique of these companies is. these gambling companies is. and that's they give you free that's when they give you free bets essentially . so if you bets essentially. so if you spend £50 on a bet, they'll give you £50 on top of it. and i think it's that— you £50 on top of it. and i think it's that that- 1750 2“ 2 and i think it's that that actually causes some— think it's that that actually causes some of— think it's that that actually causes some of the most damaging hehowow— causes some of the most damaging behaviour when— causes some of the most damaging behaviour when it— causes some of the most damaging behaviour when it comes to gomhhng. — behaviour when it comes to gomhhng. hm— behaviour when it comes to gambling. 2“222 23 gambling. but there's very little around that little discourse around that problem moment. it it problem at the moment. it it seems to because i rememberjust a seems to because i rememberjust ohew— seems to because i rememberjust ohew yeah— seems to because i rememberjust ohew yeme ego— seems to because i rememberjust a few years ago everybody was saying—was. saying free tibet and it was a goon— saying free tibet and it was a goon-he— saying free tibet and it was a goon-he o— saying free tibet and it was a good - it's a bad - saying free tibet and it was a good it's a bad thing, good thing. it's a bad thing, he— good thing. it's a bad thing, it's absolutely— good thing. it's a bad thing, it's absolutely a— good thing. it's a bad thing, it's absolutely a bad thing . it's absolutely a bad thing. so it's absolutely a bad thing. so it needs— it's absolutely a bad thing. so it needs to— it's absolutely a bad thing. so it needs to do,— it's absolutely a bad thing. so it needs to do, you— it's absolutely a bad thing. so it needs to do, you know- it's absolutely a bad thing. so it needs to do, you know what, i wasn't very funny. sorry. this sorry, benjamin, how can you say you don't like gambling when you've. come on tv wearing that ehhne — you've. come on tv wearing that ehhne vow— you've. come on tv wearing that shirt? you know—

you've. come on tv wearing that shirt? you know the— you've. come on tv wearing that shirt? you know the truth- come on tv wearing that shirt? you know the truth is, i put a bet on on the grand national or something as a kid, right? that would be a thing that you like. dead horses? well, actually, i think. i think horse racing is immoral and unjustifiable. but as a kid, i would along with the would go along with the pleasantry of it. but truth pleasantry of it. but the truth is that the reason they spend so much money advertising gambling is in that will is to lure people in that will spend money. so spend the most money. and so when the governments announce the you can spend, the caps on what you can spend, surely be stopping it surely we should be stopping it at source right to stop at the source right to stop problem gamblers becoming problem gamblers becoming problem gamblers. but where does this finish? where does this head— this finish? where does this lead-because- this finish? where does this lead because could say, lead to? because you could say, okay,— lead to? because you could say, okay, yoe— lead to? because you could say, okay, yoe omy— lead to? because you could say, okay, you're only allowed to spend— okay, you're only allowed to spend moo— okay, you're only allowed to spend £100-on- okay, you're only allowed to spend £100 on booze okay, you're only allowed to- spend £100-on booze as spend £100 a month on booze as yoe— spend £100 a month on booze as yoe omy— spend £100 a month on booze as you're only allowed— spend £100 a month on booze as you're only allowed to spend. ewe— you're only allowed to spend. one mem— you're only allowed to spend. give them ideas— you're only allowed to spend. give them ideas on. like it come— give them ideas on. like it one the— give them ideas on. like it could just because problem could just be because problem gomhhnh— could just be because problem gambling.ithink_ could just be because problem gambling. think there is a gambling. i think there is a neo— gambling. i think there is a nehlhemg— gambling. i think there is a risk-beinglbit- gambling. i think there is a risk being bit snooty in risk of being a bit snooty in mm— risk of being a bit snooty in this conversation gambling this conversation about gambling heoowee—oh- this conversation about gambling heoowee—oh wel because i don't think any of us are because i don't think any of us oh— because i don't think any of us at me— because i don't think any of us are at the slot— because i don't think any of us are at the slot machines. i eon-h— are at the slot machines. i hon-h mink— are at the slot machines. i don't think any— are at the slot machines. i don't think any of us are making onhne— don't think any of us are making onhne hen— don't think any of us are making online bets really. _ don't think any of us are making online bets really. don't online bets really. i don't mink— online bets really. i don't think-really,- online bets really. i don't. think-really, really think any of us really, really dolfor— think any of us really, really dolfor mn— think any of us really, really dolfor fun. but— think any of us really, really do for fun. but you okay? do it for fun. but are you okay? so do it for fun. but are you okay? so you— do it for fun. but are you okay? so you enjoy— do it for fun. but are you okay? so you enjoy gambling? yeah. so a so you enjoy gambling? yeah. so o-heohhe— so you enjoy gambling? yeah. so o-heohhe enjoy— so you enjoy gambling? yeah. so a people enjoy gambling a lot of people enjoy gambling and a lot of people enjoy gambling one-insh— a lot of people enjoy gambling and-just o— a lot of people enjoy gambling and just a pastime and they and it's just a pastime and they hon-h— and it's just a pastime and they hon-h-hhe— and it's just a pastime and they don't the government to

and it's just a pastime and they don�*them the government to and it's just a pastime and they don�*them what government to and it's just a pastime and they don�*them what they �*nment to and it's just a pastime and they don�*them what they canznt to and it's just a pastime and they don�*them what they can and) tell them what they can and eon-h— tell them what they can and eon-h hem — tell them what they can and can't bear. if— tell them what they can and can't bear. if you- tell them what they can and can't bear. �*" 22 g can't bear. if you do gamble, have you had times where you've woken day and woken up the next day and thought, oh god, i really spent too much money? that an too much money? that was an accident? yeah, and accident? yeah, yeah. and ohwowehy— accident? yeah, yeah. and- obviously-sometimes obviously gambling sometimes goes—h- obviously gambling sometimes goes—h eoeei goes wrong. i mean, if it goes wome— goes wrong. i mean, if it goes wono mot-e— goes wrong. i mean, if it goes wrong, that's why— goes wrong. i mean, if it goes wrong, that's why they win. weh, — wrong, that's why they win. weh, .ooh— wrong, that's why they win. weh, .ooh o— wrong, that's why they win. well, got a child to show well, i've got a child to show mon— well, i've got a child to show hon-hm— well, i've got a child to show that.-but yeah,- well, i've got a child to show that.-but yeah, i- well, i've got a child to show that. but yeah, i mean, that. and but yeah, i mean, i mink— that. and but yeah, i mean, i mink-hot— that. and but yeah, i mean, i mink-hot oh— that. and but yeah, i mean, i think lot of people, like think for a lot of people, like my home,— think for a lot of people, like my hohhen hor— think for a lot of people, like my father, for example, i mean, hee— my father, for example, i mean, nee-oto,— my father, for example, i mean, nee-oto hee— my father, for example, i mean, he's, old, he's older than he's, he's old, he's older than me—oomhhee- he's, he's old, he's older than me _ gambles and i he's, he's old, he's older than. me_gambles and he me and he, he gambles and he ooeen-h— me and he, he gambles and he ooeen-h-o— me and he, he gambles and he doesn't-anf- me and he, he gambles and he doesn't a of money on doesn't spend a lot of money on it. doesn't spend a lot of money on n. hm— doesn't spend a lot of money on n. hm h— doesn't spend a lot of money on n. hm h owes— doesn't spend a lot of money on it. but it gives him— doesn't spend a lot of money on it. but it gives him that hhnh. — it. but it gives him that hhnh. h— it. but it gives him that thrill. it gives- it. but it gives him that thrill. it gives him something to o,— thrill. it gives him something to to, he— thrill. it gives him something to to, live for. _ thrill. it gives him something to to, live for. -be- thrill. it gives him something to to, live for. be a to to, live for. so it'd be a ename— to to, live for. so it'd be a shame to,— to to, live for. so it'd be a shame to, to— to to, live for. so it'd be a shame to, to take that away hom— shame to, to take that away from from — shame to, to take that away from, from people. but you look at emohno— from, from people. but you look at smoking numbers of people at smoking the numbers of people that—anom- at smoking the numbers of people mot—ohom hw- at smoking the numbers of people that_about13% of. that smoke is now about 13% of the pontoon— that smoke is now about 13% of the population go— that smoke is now about 13% of the population go back a generation. _ the population go back a generation. it- the population go back a generation. 2 2“222 the population go back a- generation. it-three four generation. it was three four times number. and that's times that number. and that's because advertised because it's not advertised in the because trying to the same way, because trying to lure teenagers into smoking like it you not it used to be normal. do you not think, that the same think, emily, that the same thing happen with thing would happen with gambling? no, because gambling? well, no, because i think the reason people think the reason why people don't is more because we don't smoke is more because we know it kills us. so know that it kills us. so i think there should- know that it kills us. so i think there should be- 2 so i think there should be education oomoohone— campaigns about problem gambling and campaigns about problem gambling one—he— campaigns about problem gambling one—he o— campaigns about problem gambling one—he o neo— campaigns about problem gambling and—be a risk and- and how it can be a risk and moh—

and how it can be a risk and mm yon— and how it can be a risk and that you should— and how it can be a risk and that you should you that you should stop. you ehowhon-h— that you should stop. you shouldn't bet— that you should stop. you shouldn't bet more than you can hose,— shouldn't bet more than you can lose, - etcetera. - shouldn't bet more than you can lose,-etcetera. but- lose, etcetera, etcetera. but he— lose, etcetera, etcetera. but the women— lose, etcetera, etcetera. but the problem is,— lose, etcetera, etcetera. but the problem is, is that we live in the problem is, is that we live mleoohehy— the problem is, is that we live inlsociety where— the problem is, is that we live in society where freedom, in a society where freedom, where— in a society where freedom, where addictions where gambling addictions are the—hor- where gambling addictions are the _for freedom,| the price we pay for freedom, one—hme- the price we pay for freedom, and—this ideal the price we pay for freedom,- and _this idea that and come on, like this idea that yoe— and come on, like this idea that yon-we—ho— and come on, like this idea that yon-we—ho heohhe- and come on, like this idea that you've to people are you've got to say to people are oomhhno— you've got to say to people are oomhhno eon— you've got to say to people are gambling can make you lose moey— gambling can make you lose moey — gambling can make you lose moey h— gambling can make you lose money. i mean,— gambling can make you lose money. 2 gambling can make you lose money. “ 2 money. i mean, we're so patronising and condescending. i don't are, because the don't think you are, because the truth is that when people place a they think going a bet, they think they're going to and they're not. to win. right. and they're not. ano— to win. right. and they're not. and oowouy— to win. right. and they're not. and actually look— to win. right. and they're not. and actually look at- “ right. and they're not. and actually look at las vegas, hook— and actually look at las vegas, hook m— and actually look at las vegas, hook at me— and actually look at las vegas, look at the state,— and actually look at las vegas, look at the state, the massive nohkeme— look at the state, the massive problems-have- look at the state, the massive problems have with gambling problems they have with gambling oommom— problems they have with gambling addiction,-millions_ people losing millions of honore— people losing millions of dollarslthey- people losing millions of dollars they have the dollars if they have the opportunity-— dollars if they have the opportunity. we dollars if they have the opportunity..we have opportunity. if we don't have rwkee— opportunity. if we don't have rwkee m— opportunity. if we don't have rules in place— opportunity. if we don't have rules in place to— opportunity. if we don't have rules in place to try and stop oomohoee— rules in place to try and stop companies advantage, companies taking advantage, you wowe— companies taking advantage, you wowko—koe— companies taking advantage, you would—las vegas. - companies taking advantage, you would las vegas. do would end up like las vegas. do you— would end up like las vegas. do yon-mow — would end up like las vegas. do you-that? ithink- would end up like las vegas. do you-that? ithink that. you want that? i think that could happen in a multitude of ways spend their ways so they could spend their money if we just ways so they could spend their money gambling if we just ways so they could spend their money gambling outright.t ways so they could spend their money gambling outright. no banned gambling outright. no one's advocating the ban of gambling. dear. had to gambling. oh dear. we've had to silence still had . there's silence albie still had. there's a car. the palaver where emily will tell us why men should stick to doing the barbecuing. i'm off to put the lottery on you with the five live on gb news is .

on mark dolan tonight. in a world exclusive, we'll speak to the irish restaurant owner who only allows biologie females to enter the women's toilets of his venuein enter the women's toilets of his venue in my big opinion, i'll be deaung venue in my big opinion, i'll be dealing with spoilt cry—baby, prince harry, who's bringing shame upon the nation and his family by suing the british media. and in my take at ten, me— media. and in my take at ten, the authorities— media. and in my take at ten, the authorities want- 2“2;2 and in my take at ten, the authorities want to put us hook— the authorities want to put us hook m— the authorities want to put us back in masks. _ the authorities want to put us back in masks. thigh the authorities want to put us back in masks. high 2 back in masks. my response? mne,— back in masks. my response? the nu— back in masks. my response? the in he— back in masks. my response? plus, i'll be dealing— back in masks. high 2 plus, i'll be dealing with ehookmo— plus, i'll be dealing with shocking hypocrisy at the ewonhon— shocking hypocrisy at the guardian newspaper and the common— guardian newspaper and the oomoohon hor— guardian newspaper and the campaign for real ale have gone woke. — campaign for real ale have gone woke. he— campaign for real ale have gone woke. it's enough— campaign for real ale have gone woke. it's enough to turn you to drink.— woke. it's enough to turn you to drink were— woke. it's enough to turn you to drink. we're live— woke. it's enough to turn you to drink. we're live from . drink. we're live from. nine iwekome— drink. we're live from. nine iwelcome back— drink. we're live from. nine l welcome back to - drink. we're live from. nine . welcome back to the. drink. we're live from. nine welcome back to the saturday drink. we're live from. nine welc0ido back to the saturday drink. we're live from. nine welc0ido aack to the saturday drink. we're live from. nine welc0ido a couple he saturday drink. we're live from. nine welc0ido a couple moreturday five. let's do a couple more emails before we get our emails before we get to our final debate of the evening .

final debate of the evening. albie was arguing that britain is not a racist country and alan says typically you all see racism in terms of black and white. by and large, most brits are pretty tolerant, providing people behave reasonably well. now, margaret says, i agree with albie that the uk is the least racist country in the world and we should be very proud of that. i know i am. that's an optimistic note, matthew said. never thought i'd agree with benjamin . well, i didn't think benjamin. well, i didn't think you would ever agree with me either with benjamin. but today that's changed. he's been talking sense. well, there we are now . now it's time for our are now. now it's time for our final showdown of the night. up next, it's going to be emily and she's going to tell us why the sane man in the grill is here to stay . start the clock. yes yes. stay. start the clock. yes yes. i am all for feminist- 22 2; yes. i am all for feminist causes as a i am all for feminist causes as owomon hm— i am all for feminist causes as hm .— i am all for feminist causes as a woman, but i am— i am all for feminist causes as a woman, but i am happy, very happy— a woman, but i am happy, very happy to_ a woman, but i am happy, very happy to heave— a woman, but i am happy, very happy to leave barbecuing to the m— happy to leave barbecuing to the in my— happy to leave barbecuing to the in my the.— happy to leave barbecuing to the men in my life. according to oommo,— men in my life. according to ookhno, neony— men in my life. according to polling, nearly half of women

sav— polling, nearly half of women say hey— polling, nearly half of women say they oe— polling, nearly half of women say they are better than blokes at say they are better than blokes oh barbecuing— say they are better than blokes at barbecuing three quarters of women say that— at barbecuing three quarters of women say that the stereotype manning— women say that the stereotype monnmo me— women say that the stereotype manning the grill is sexist and owned— manning the grill is sexist and omomeo .— manning the grill is sexist and outdated . who— manning the grill is sexist and outdated . who are these women? outdated. who are these women? i ask— outdated. who are these women? i ask. .— outdated. who are these women? i ask. h know— outdated. who are these women? i ask. i know that— outdated. who are these women? i ask. i know that i— outdated. who are these women? i ask. i know that i would much prefer— ask. i know that i would much prefer ho— ask. i know that i would much prefer to he— ask. i know that i would much prefer to be reclining in a sun lounger— prefer to be reclining in a sun lounger en— prefer to be reclining in a sun lounger sat on— prefer to be reclining in a sun lounger sat on my bottom, onnkmo— lounger sat on my bottom, onnkmo o— lounger sat on my bottom, drinking a cold— lounger sat on my bottom, drinking a cold glass of pimms, wmohmo— drinking a cold glass of pimms, wohohmo my— drinking a cold glass of pimms, watching my other half grill up a watching my other half grill up o ehorm — watching my other half grill up a storm that'd_ watching my other half grill up a storm that'd be— watching my other half grill up a storm that'd be standing above the a storm that'd be standing above me not— a storm that'd be standing above me no cooke— a storm that'd be standing above the hot coals in— a storm that'd be standing above the hot coals in the— a storm that'd be standing above the hot coals in the garden, eweohno— the hot coals in the garden, eweonno one— the hot coals in the garden, sweating and stinking like beef eoweooe— sweating and stinking like beef eoweooe one— sweating and stinking like beef sausage and god— sweating and stinking like beef sausage and god knows what else . kee— sausage and god knows what else . wee, h— sausage and god knows what else . wee, h know— sausage and god knows what else . yes, i know there— sausage and god knows what else . yes, i know there are some women out there— . yes, i know there are some women out there who love the barbecuing— women out there who love the barbecuing life,— women out there who love the barbecuing life, but the vote wmnmo— barbecuing life, but the vote wmnmo me— barbecuing life, but the vote winning the vote, it is not this is winning the vote, it is not this he moh— winning the vote, it is not this he not o— winning the vote, it is not this is not a feminist— winning the vote, it is not this is not a feminist issue. and i'm very— is not a feminist issue. and i'm very mooy— is not a feminist issue. and i'm very happy for_ is not a feminist issue. and i'm very happy for men to take the hem— very happy for men to take the head when— very happy for men to take the head when n— very happy for men to take the lead when it comes to barbecuing . wen,— lead when it comes to barbecuing . wekh mere— lead when it comes to barbecuing . well, there you— lead when it comes to barbecuing . well, there you go.— lead when it comes to barbecuing . well, there you go. that is my wow,— . well, there you go. that is my wow, h— . well, there you go. that is my view. now, i think— . well, there you go. that is my view. now, i think most women eeorewy— view. now, i think most women eeorewy .— view. now, i think most women eeorewy , een— view. now, i think most women secretly , even if— view. now, i think most women secretly , even if they don't say secretly, even if they don't say it secretly, even if they don't say h m— secretly, even if they don't say h in me— secretly, even if they don't say it in this poll,— secretly, even if they don't say it in this poll, quite like the oomo— it in this poll, quite like the

man doing the— it in this poll, quite like the man doing the barbecuing . it's man doing the barbecuing. it's a it's man doing the barbecuing. it's a me o— man doing the barbecuing. it's a me o hh— man doing the barbecuing. it's a me e on of— man doing the barbecuing. it's a me e on of o— man doing the barbecuing. it's a it's a bit of a hot— man doing the barbecuing. it's a it's a bit of a hot mess, isn't he— it's a bit of a hot mess, isn't he athe— it's a bit of a hot mess, isn't it? albie. that's— it's a bit of a hot mess, isn't it? albie. that's completely why i it? albie. that's completely why h hon-h— it? albie. that's completely why h hon-h wom— it? albie. that's completely why i don't want to— it? albie. that's completely why i don't want to do— it? albie. that's completely why i don't want to do barbecuing ehher— i don't want to do barbecuing ehher. — i don't want to do barbecuing ehher. so— i don't want to do barbecuing ehher. so h— i don't want to do barbecuing either. so i would- i don't want to do barbecuing either . 2 2 either. so i would actually i would actually say that it probably doesn't just send to the men and women. it's a split between men and women. it might between men and women. it might be something more about, i don't know, tougher might know, tougher people might like barbecue wimps barbecue ing and maybe wimps like to do something like me prefer to do something like me prefer to do something like salad for example. like make a salad for example. well, was going say in my well, i was going to say in my speech— well, i was going to say in my eoeeoh hm— well, i was going to say in my eoeeoh hm h— well, i was going to say in my speech, but i got— well, i was going to say in my speech, but i got rudely cut off by speech, but i got rudely cut off hy me— speech, but i got rudely cut off hy me hwzen— speech, but i got rudely cut off by the buzzer. there's something a by the buzzer. there's something o-hh— by the buzzer. there's something o-hh-ohom— by the buzzer. there's something a-bit-about it.- by the buzzer. there's something a-bit-about it. leo,- a little bit sexy about it. leo, do a little bit sexy about it. leo, oto-feet— a little bit sexy about it. leo, do .feel like _ a little bit sexy about it. leo, do-feel like a— a little bit sexy about it. leo, do feel like a man when do you feel like a man when yoe— do you feel like a man when you're barbecue— do you feel like a man when you're barbecue 22; do you feel like a man when- you're barbecue-yes, i do. you're barbecue ing? yes, i do. hm— you're barbecue ing? yes, i do. hm twe— you're barbecue ing? yes, i do. hot the ooh— you're barbecue ing? yes, i do. but i've got go against what but i've got to go against what you think should do you say. i think women should do the barbecuing because i see it as a kitchen. that's been moved to the garden, right? so now the issue for to the garden, right? so now the for momy— to the garden, right? so now the issue for many women,- 2 2 “ 2 2“27 so now the issue for many women, which 22“ 2 2“27 so now the issue for many women, which i'm sure women at home will agree whh— sure women at home will agree whh me— sure women at home will agree whh h— sure women at home will agree with me, is that— sure women at home will agree with me, is that the men like to toke— with me, is that the men like to take on— with me, is that the men like to take oh me— with me, is that the men like to take all the glory— with me, is that the men like to take all the glory for the onkhno— take all the glory for the onkhno one— take all the glory for the grilling and they leave all the meme— grilling and they leave all the inside cooking— grilling and they leave all the inside cooking to— grilling and they leave all the inside cooking to the women . but inside cooking to the women. but you wom— inside cooking to the women. but you wom me— inside cooking to the women. but you want the women to be doing the you want the women to be doing he onene— you want the women to be doing the outside cooking and the meme— the outside cooking and the inside cooking— the outside cooking and the inside cooking and presumably all inside cooking and presumably oh oh— inside cooking and presumably oh of me— inside cooking and presumably

all of the cleaning and bringing me o hee— all of the cleaning and bringing me a beer. let's— all of the cleaning and bringing me a beer. all of the cleaning and bringing me a beer . all of the cleaning and bringing me a beer. let's not let's not cut this list of list of tasks short. leo cut this list of list of tasks short . leo aukus. i'm cut this list of list of tasks short. leo aukus. i'm going to hone— short. leo aukus. i'm going to hope yoe— short. leo aukus. i'm going to hope yoe iokhno— leo aukus. i'm going to hope you're joking. you are a comedian— hope you're joking. you are a comedian after— hope you're joking. you are a comedian after all. benjamin i hook,— comedian after all. benjamin i hook, you— comedian after all. benjamin i mean, look, you know, i can't cook,— mean, look, you know, i can't 200k, eo— mean, look, you know, i can't 200k, eo h— mean, look, you know, i can't cook, so i think— mean, look, you know, i can't cook, so i think it's best i hon-h— cook, so i think it's best i hon-h oo— cook, so i think it's best i don't go near— cook, so i think it's best i don't go near any barbecue. y22 don't go near any barbecue. you know.— don't go near any barbecue. you know. if— don't go near any barbecue. you know. if ooo— don't go near any barbecue. you know, if god had— don't go near any barbecue. you know, if god had wanted me to cook, she wouldn't have invented restaurants. okay, other restaurants. okay, get other oeohke— restaurants. okay, get other oeohke-oookmol restaurants. okay, get other oeooke-oookmo -l restaurants. okay, get other. people-cooking . but people to do my cooking. but i mink— people to do my cooking. but i think mere— people to do my cooking. but i think there is— people to do my cooking. but i think there is actually something— think there is actually something here that it's about the—oh— something here that it's about the—oh whet- something here that it's abouti the—of whatlman the expectation of what a man one— the expectation of what a man one-ommo- the expectation of what a man and-should be- the expectation of what a man and should be like. and and a woman should be like. and of and a woman should be like. and oh-roke— and a woman should be like. and of-role-should- and a woman should be like. and of-role-should play.- of the role they should play. and— of the role they should play. ann-h— of the role they should play. and-h mink- of the role they should play. and-i think it's- of the role they should play. and i think it's quite and actually, i think it's quite wohkemoho— and actually, i think it's quite problematic—men. problematic to say that men showe— problematic to say that men ehowko he— problematic to say that men should be in— problematic to say that men should be in control. they showe— should be in control. they should controlling , should be in control. they should .controlling , know, should be controlling, you know, ohoonhmo— should be controlling, you know, organisinglin_ should be controlling, you know, organising in charge a organising it in charge of a partv- _ organising it in charge of a pony. when— organising it in charge of a party. when you're barbecue ing, hen-h— party. when you're barbecue ing, hn-h—yow— party. when you're barbecue ing, hnh—yow know,- isn't that actually you know, owne— isn't that actually you know, owhe o— isn't that actually you know, onhe o eoe— isn't that actually you know, quite a sad thing for you to mink— quite a sad thing for you to mm mm— quite a sad thing for you to think that you— quite a sad thing for you to think that you want to hand that all think that you want to hand that oh oe— think that you want to hand that oh hoe — think that you want to hand that all over to? a— think that you want to hand that all over to? a no,— think that you want to hand that all over to? a no, i— think that you want to hand that all over to? ' \2 2 all over to? a no, i actually think it's empowering as a woman, i can pick and choose what i like to do and what i like enjoy. so i personally like to enjoy. so i personally like to enjoy. so i personally like to enjoy. so i personally like to sit back and relax when it's like to sit back and relax when wsfime like to sit back and relax when it's time for a barbecue. i like to sit there with my cocktail, my of rose. i like to my glass of rose. i like to watch the in my life. i like

watch the man in my life. i like either either or both, whatever . and coming out now? no one's just the barbecue.— . and coming out now? no one's just the barbecue. the- “2 222“ “2 7 no one's just the barbecue. the man can do me— just the barbecue. the man can do the barbecuing— just the barbecue. the man can do the barbecuing over the hot cooke— do the barbecuing over the hot oooh . — do the barbecuing over the hot coals . there's— do the barbecuing over the hot coals . “2 “ coals. there's something caveman like about it. do you like watching a man barbecuing? just outed yourself as a lush. 2 “2 2 “27 just outed yourself as a lush. okay. or outed yourself as a lush. okay. o. o— outed yourself as a lush. okay. or a alcoholic— outed yourself as a lush. okay. or a alcoholic ? _ outed yourself as a lush. okay. or a alcoholic ? 37�* 22 or a alcoholic? prosecco, i actually do, because then i'm in charge of the quantity. and what actually goes out— charge of the quantity. and what actually goes out there. - 22 22.2“2 and what actually goes out there. so it's reouy— actually goes out there. so it's reouy o— actually goes out there. so it's reouy o ok— actually goes out there. so it's really a bit of— actually goes out there. so it's really a bit of selfish. it's no— really a bit of selfish. it's not altruistic— really a bit of selfish. it's not altruistic at- really a bit of selfish. it's not altruistic at all. 22 not altruistic at all. so you're a barbecuer. i like you're the only barbecuer in the room , so only barbecuer in the room, so i'll be doing the gb news barbecue next summer. this summer coming. but- 2 this summer coming. but look, i oommy— summer coming. but look, i actually think— summer coming. but look, i actually think ultimately we it ooeen-h— actually think ultimately we it ooeenh m— actually think ultimately we it doesn't in the— actually think ultimately we it doesn't in the grand scheme of mmoe— doesn't in the grand scheme of mmoe h— doesn't in the grand scheme of mmoe if you— doesn't in the grand scheme of things, if you want a barbecue, do me— things, if you want a barbecue, do the barbecue.— things, if you want a barbecue, do the barbecue. if you don't wom— do the barbecue. if you don't wom ho— do the barbecue. if you don't wom ho ho— do the barbecue. if you don't want to do the— do the barbecue. if you don't want to do the barbecue, get other— want to do the barbecue, get some other poor— want to do the barbecue, get some other poor sod to do it. nmhy— some other poor sod to do it. my oo— some other poor sod to do it. my do you— some other poor sod to do it. emily do you think that women eon-h— emily do you think that women eon-h oo— emily do you think that women eon-h do he — emily do you think that women can't do it? that— emily do you think that women can't do it? 22 can't do it? that they're not as capable of it? oh no. do you think mey-re— capable of it? oh no. do you think they're very— 2 27 o“ do you think they're very much capable of he— think they're very much capable of he he— think they're very much capable of he he he— think they're very much capable of it? it's the men— think they're very much capable of it? it's the men who it of it? it's the men who make it oh— of it? it's the men who make it oh ho— of it? it's the men who make it oh holhhh— of it? it's the men who make it out to .this uber_ of it? it's the men who make it out to this uber difficult out to be this uber difficult hook— out to be this uber difficult hook moh— out to be this uber difficult task that only— out to be this uber difficult task that only a— out to be this uber difficult task that only a man can do. but hm — task that only a man can do. but hm eoymo— task that only a man can do. but hm eoyhno women— task that only a man can do. but i'm saying women most women i

wowe— i'm saying women most women i wowhh hoeonh— i'm saying women most women i wowhh hoeonh o— i'm saying women most women i would hazard a guess, would prefer— would hazard a guess, would prefer ho— would hazard a guess, would prefer to leave— would hazard a guess, would prefer to leave the barbecuing to prefer to leave the barbecuing ho he— prefer to leave the barbecuing ho he men— prefer to leave the barbecuing ho he .— prefer to leave the barbecuing to the men . they— prefer to leave the barbecuing to the men . they feel good about to the men. they feel good about hhemeehwee— to the men. they feel good about themselves. they— to the men. they feel good about themselves. they have fun doing it. themselves. they have fun doing h huh— themselves. they have fun doing h hh h— themselves. they have fun doing h hh h h— themselves. they have fun doing it. but it is irritating when hey— it. but it is irritating when they make— it. but it is irritating when they make out.- it. but it is irritating when they make out. it's this massive mmo— they make out. it's this massive hhhno when— they make out. it's this massive hhhno when he— they make out. it's this massive thing when the woman's behind. i hoo— thing when the woman's behind. i oheo-hhe— thing when the woman's behind. i oheo-hhe-hohno- also think the means doing eweyhhhno— also think the means doingi everything—think also think the means doing. everything—think it everything else. i also think it depends— everything else. i also think it hehenhe-khnh— everything else. i also think it depends-kind of- everything else. i also think it depends kind of family depends what kind of family you from h— depends what kind of family you come from. i come— depends what kind of family you come from. 2 “222 come from. i come from a single parent household. my mother was the was around. we the parent that was around. we all barbecuing. all did the barbecuing. there was do the barbecuing. was no man to do the barbecuing. so i don't necessarily think it's helpful to look at men's jobs women's jobs because in jobs and women's jobs because in some families won't some families that won't be possible for some people. and so some women have to barbecue because man to because there's no man to barbecue. that's true. so on and son— barbecue. that's true. so on and on see— barbecue. that's true. so on and so-i see barbecuing- barbecue. that's true. so on and so-i see barbecuing as- so but i see barbecuing as hokhno— so but i see barbecuing as hokhno he— so but i see barbecuing as taking the bins— so but i see barbecuing as taking the bins out. well, you know,— taking the bins out. well, you know, he— taking the bins out. well, you know, it's majority. my mum know, it's a majority. my mum hoo— know, it's a majority. my mum hoh ho— know, it's a majority. my mum hoh ho toke— know, it's a majority. my mum had to take-bins- know, it's a majority. my mum had to take bins too, had to take the bins out too, hehore— had to take the bins out too, hehore-ohh— had to take the bins out too, before old enough. before i was old enough. woo-omy— before i was old enough. majority pastime. before i was old enough. majority-pastime. there majority man pastime. if there is majority man pastime. if there h-onh— majority man pastime. if there h-onh o— majority man pastime. if there is-and a woman.- majority man pastime. if there is and a woman. only if is a man and a woman. only if here— is a man and a woman. only if here he— is a man and a woman. only if here h o— is a man and a woman. only if here h o mon— is a man and a woman. only if there is a man and— is a man and a woman. only if there is a man and a woman. of h— there is a man and a woman. of h yoe— there is a man and a woman. of course, if you're a— there is a man and a woman. of course, if you're a single perenn— course, if you're a single oorenn yon— course, if you're a single parent, you have to do absolutely— parent, you have to do absolutely what you absolutely everything. what you sound—when- absolutely everything. what you sound when she sound like theresa may when she said philip may take sound like theresa may when she saicbins philip may take sound like theresa may when she saicbins out,.ip may take sound like theresa may when she saic bins out, that ay take sound like theresa may when she saic bins out, that was take sound like theresa may when she saicbins out, that was a take sound like theresa may when she saicbins out, that was a man's; the bins out, that was a man's job. she said general election

that didn't go very well. do you think should do the think they should do the barbecue and take the bins out? and for role? and women aren't for that role? i mean, absolutely lying i mean, i'd be absolutely lying if i mean, i'd be absolutely lying hleoh— i mean, i'd be absolutely lying hleoh hon— i mean, i'd be absolutely lying iflsaid that. i— i mean, i'd be absolutely lying iflsaid that. i take- i mean, i'd be absolutely lying if said that. i take the bins if i said that. i take the bins oh.— if i said that. i take the bins own r— if i said that. i take the bins own r hon-r.— if i said that. i take the bins out. i don't. well- if i said that. i take the bins out. i don't. well what you've got— out. i don't. well what you've oor noon-r— out. i don't. well what you've got hasn't always— out. i don't. well what you've got hasn't always will be a man's-bottles. - got hasn't always will be a man's bottles. 422. got hasn't always will be a- man's-bottles. you've got man's job. bottles. you've got to remember benjamin to remember that benjamin doesn't what a man doesn't actually know what a man and is. so i wouldn't and a woman is. so i wouldn't actually his word for that. actually take his word for that. as far as gender roles are concerned, leah, you haven't said no, i mean, i don't said much. no, i mean, i don't know— said much. no, i mean, i don't know how— said much. no, i mean, i don't know how o— said much. no, i mean, i don't know how o mon— said much. no, i mean, i don't know how a man could- 2 2.“ no, i mean, i don't know how a man could look at his whe— know how a man could look at his whee-reek— know how a man could look at his whee-reek hke— know how a man could look at his wife-feel like a- know how a man could look at his wife-feel like a man- wife and still feel like a man if wife and still feel like a man h he— wife and still feel like a man if he watched— wife and still feel like a man if he watched take the bins if he watched her take the bins oh.— if he watched her take the bins own more— if he watched her take the bins out. that's ridiculous. mean, out. that's ridiculous. i mean, my—eomehmeel out. that's ridiculous. i mean,i my_sometimes, but my wife does it sometimes, but oor— my wife does it sometimes, but oor o— my wife does it sometimes, but we've got a left,— my wife does it sometimes, but we've got a left, so— my wife does it sometimes, but we've got a left, so it's not he— we've got a left, so it's not he nor— we've got a left, so it's not it's not actually— we've got a left, so it's not it's not actually that bad. it's a it's not actually that bad. it's o emoh— it's not actually that bad. it's o emoh hm— it's not actually that bad. it's a small bin, but.— it's not actually that bad. it's a small bin, but. but yeah, i rhhnk— a small bin, but. but yeah, i think barbecuing— a small bin, but. but yeah, i think barbecuing is a prime momy— think barbecuing is a prime momy-yon- think barbecuing is a prime manly you know? think barbecuing is a prime manly-you know? also, manly thing, you know? and also, you—vou— manly thing, you know? and also, yon—yon know,- you don't want to, you know, your— you don't want to, you know, your-cowh— you don't want to, you know, your-coho oer- you don't want to, you know, your could get scalded. your wife could get scalded. yeah— your wife could get scalded. yeah-cowh- your wife could get scalded. yeah,-could get- yeah, well, you could get scalded. yes a hazard. i just think, you know, it is a majority male thing . there's no majority male thing. there's no problem with women go problem with that. women go barbecue want to. of barbecue if you want to. of course, flip a course, you know, flip a sausage, a burger, whatever sausage, flip a burger, whatever you but i just think, you you fancy. but i just think, you know, we shouldn't necessarily shame to do, you shame men for wanting to do, you know, have a go at it themselves

in general, benjamin should be abolished. yeah, probably. is mor— abolished. yeah, probably. is her-r— abolished. yeah, probably. is her-r hon-r— abolished. yeah, probably. is that-i don't i— abolished. yeah, probably. is that-i don't i just- 2 yeah, probably. is that i don't i just don't that why i don't i just don't hehewe— that why i don't i just don't believe—somel that why i don't i just don't- believe_some kind believe that there is some kind of believe that there is some kind or hnnore— believe that there is some kind of innate ability— believe that there is some kind of innate ability to barbecue for of innate ability to barbecue horlheho— of innate ability to barbecue for fella compared to a woman. for a fella compared to a woman. wou— for a fella compared to a woman. weh .— for a fella compared to a woman. weh . o— for a fella compared to a woman. weh . a non— for a fella compared to a woman. well , a man, though,— for a fella compared to a woman. well , a man, though, likes- for a fella compared to a woman. well, a man, though, likes to. it's that showing his masculinity that men like to be in control. right. and i think more— in control. right. and i think more owhe— “ 2 right. and i think that's quite problematic. \2 that's quite problematic. no, i rhhnk— that's quite problematic. no, i rhhnk he— that's quite problematic. no, i think it's evolutionary. i that's quite problematic. \2 2 i think think it's evolutionary. i think you're think it's evolutionary. i think yoe orohohhy— think it's evolutionary. i think you're probably a— think it's evolutionary. i think you're probably a bad- 2 i think you're probably a bad feminist for-rhe— you're probably a bad feminist for-this.-well,- for saying this. oh, well, ooooneee— for saying this. oh, well, goodness-as. for saying this. oh, well, goodness-as ii for saying this. oh, well,- goodness-as i said goodness me. no. as i said before, women is provocative. that's not the word i meant to say . prerogative. prerogative say. prerogative. prerogative thank you very much, everyone . thank you very much, everyone. now!— thank you very much, everyone. how, new— thank you very much, everyone. how, new wh— thank you very much, everyone. now, next up, folks, it's going to now, next up, folks, it's going ro he— now, next up, folks, it's going ro he he— now, next up, folks, it's going to be the brilliant mark dolan . to be the brilliant mark dolan. monk— to be the brilliant mark dolan. rhonk yon— to be the brilliant mark dolan. hhonk yon eo— to be the brilliant mark dolan. thank you so much for your oomomy.— thank you so much for your company rh— thank you so much for your company. i'll see- thank you so much for your company. i'll see you again next week.— company. i'll see you again next week. heho— company. i'll see you again next week. heho — company. i'll see you again next week. hello 2 2 week. hello welcome to your latest weather update from the met office. i'm marco petagna. we hold on to fairly showery conditions across the uk over the next couple of days, but things will drier into next things will turn drier into next week pressure starts rise week as pressure starts to rise and warm sunshine and we'll see some warm sunshine at low pressure is at times too low pressure is generally at the generally in charge at the moment, given these fairly

showery conditions. but notice pressure as head pressure rising there as we head into part next into the early part of next week. it's this that week. and it's this that promises bring the quieter promises to bring the quieter conditions. tuesday conditions. certainly by tuesday next evening next week, back to this evening into overnight period, into the overnight period, showers from the word out showers from the word go out towards west and they'll towards the west and they'll develop the develop elsewhere across the northern as we northern and western parts as we head early hours of head into the early hours of sunday. showers sunday. some of those showers quite locally on the quite heavy locally on the thundery side with a clearer skies down towards the south—east towards south—east and up towards the northeast. see northeast. and here we'll see some fairly chilly conditions, too. temperatures close too. temperatures are close to freezing few spots freezing across a few spots towards north—east towards the north—east of scotland. as for sunday scotland. and as for sunday itself, showers the itself, we'll showers from the word go towards the west, word go out towards the west, becoming widespread we becoming more widespread as we go i think it's go through the day. i think it's a south—east of england. best place on to some bright place to hold on to some bright weather throughout into the afternoon whereas showers afternoon on whereas the showers out west turning out towards the west turning locally even thundery locally heavy and even thundery particularly parts particularly across parts of northern think here particularly across parts of n0icould think here particularly across parts of n0icould see think here particularly across parts of n0icould see somethink here particularly across parts of n0icould see some quite here we could see some quite torrential into the torrential downpours into the afternoon. torrential downpours into the afterin on. torrential downpours into the afterin the south—east in the well in the south—east in the sunshine, up 18 or 19 sunshine, up to 18 or 19 degrees. cooler though, towards sunshine, up to 18 or 19 deg northeastar though, towards sunshine, up to 18 or 19 deg northeast ofthough, towards sunshine, up to 18 or 19 deg northeast of scotlandiwards the northeast of scotland and heading the heading into the evening, the showers tend migrate their showers tend to migrate their way the uk. so way eastwards across the uk. so we'll start to see some developing across the south—east

of showers. of england. fewer showers. meanwhile towards meanwhile developing out towards the so through the north—west. so through sunday clearer sunday night, some clearer spells but spells developing here, but with a fairly cloudy skies on the whole into the overnight period. those temperatures do hold up fairly across board fairly well across the board lows range 7 to 11 lows in the range 7 to 11 celsius. as for monday , with celsius. as for monday, with a fair few, showers are still expected across the east and south—east of england . a bit of south—east of england. a bit of showery rain, too, across the north of scotland, but elsewhere, a day the elsewhere, a quieter day on the whole. bright sunny whole. some bright or sunny spells developing and temperatures quite temperatures still doing quite well time of year in well for the time of year in that sunshine, as they will do as we head into tuesday and wednesday. with pressure starting plenty of starting to rise and plenty of fine weather come, perhaps fine weather to come, perhaps a bit cloud towards north bit more cloud towards the north of the uk heading into the middle part of week. that's middle part of the week. that's it. soon. bye bye .