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ever since, scott newton has an incredible story. you will not want he'll be live want to miss that. he'll be live in just after 5:00. in the studio just after 5:00. but first, let's your latest but first, let's get your latest news headlines . but first, let's get your latest news headlines. nana. thank you. and good afternoon.— news headlines. nana. thank you. and good afternoon. this- news headlines. nana. thank you. and good afternoon. this is- : of"? thank you. and good afternoon. this is the horosr— and good afternoon. this is the horosr from — and good afternoon. this is the latest from the _ and good afternoon. this is the latest from the gb— and good afternoon. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. the red cross— latest from the gb newsroom. the red cross hos— latest from the gb newsroom. the red cross has sent— latest from the gb newsroom. the red cross has sent planes with hoorsoh— red cross has sent planes with medical supplies— red cross has sent planes with medical supplies to the port of surrou— medical supplies to the port of suooh. rhor-s— medical supplies to the port of sudan. that's following the rhu— sudan. that's following the final evacuation flight carrying hrhhsh— final evacuation flight carrying british nationals— final evacuation flight carrying british nationals that departed hhorrourh — british nationals that departed khartoum late— british nationals that departed khartoum late last night. british nationals that departed khartoum late last night . deputy khartoum late last night. deputy rumo— khartoum late last night. deputy prime minister— khartoum late last night. deputy prime minister oliver dowden soro— prime minister oliver dowden soro resus— prime minister oliver dowden said rescue operations ended rohouhg— said rescue operations ended rohouhg o— said rescue operations ended following a significant decline in following a significant decline h rho— following a significant decline in the number— following a significant decline in the number of— following a significant decline in the number of british horrohors— in the number of british nationals coming forward to flee . hoorh— nationals coming forward to flee . hoorh hoo— nationals coming forward to flee . nearly 1900 people on 21 rhghrs— . nearly 1900 people on 21 flights have— . nearly 1900 people on 21 flights have been evacuated and however, there _ flights have been evacuated and however, there are— flights have been evacuated and however, there are still thousands— however, there are still thousands of- however, there are still thousands of british citizens srush— thousands of british citizens sruoh ohro— thousands of british citizens stuck amid fighting . nhs nurses stuck amid fighting. nhs nurses rho— stuck amid fighting. nhs nurses across the country— stuck amid fighting. nhs nurses across the country will walk out from — across the country will walk out from we — across the country will walk out from 8:00 this— across the country will walk out from 8:00 this evening in a 28 hour— from 8:00 this evening in a 28 hour srhho— from 8:00 this evening in a 28 hour strike over— from 8:00 this evening in a 28 hour strike over pay in a ballot oorhor— hour strike over pay in a ballot oorhor rhrs— hour strike over pay in a ballot earlier this month,— hour strike over pay in a ballot earlier this month, 54% of rcn rhorhorsh—

earlier this month, 54% of rcn members rejected— earlier this month, 54% of rcn members rejected the government's offer of a 5% pay orooror— government's offer of a 5% pay rise. greater ormond street hoshhor— rise. greater ormond street hosohor rs— rise. greater ormond street hospital is among organisations whore— hospital is among organisations where nurses have— hospital is among organisations where nurses have agreed to keep hrhhoo— where nurses have agreed to keep hrhhoo shah— where nurses have agreed to keep limited staff on— where nurses have agreed to keep limited staff on after voicing serious concerns— limited staff on after voicing serious concerns about patient shrew— serious concerns about patient sorory ourhg— serious concerns about patient safety during the— serious concerns about patient safety during the walkout . nhs safety during the walkout. nhs rhgroho— safety during the walkout. nhs rhgroho rs— safety during the walkout. nhs england is urging the public to use england is urging the public to rho— england is urging the public to use the health— england is urging the public to use the health service wisely . use the health service wisely. it use the health service wisely. h soro— use the health service wisely. it said emergency and urgent wouro— it said emergency and urgent care would remain the priority. rho— care would remain the priority. rho hood— care would remain the priority. rho hood or— care would remain the priority. the head of global projects at young— the head of global projects at vouhg vorsos— the head of global projects at young voices uk,— the head of global projects at young voices uk, jason reed, horo— young voices uk, jason reed, hour so— young voices uk, jason reed, roro go news— young voices uk, jason reed, told gb news the nurses strike is he— told gb news the nurses strike is he wrong— told gb news the nurses strike is the wrong thing to do. just horo— is the wrong thing to do. just hare ro— is the wrong thing to do. just hate to think— is the wrong thing to do. just hate to think of— is the wrong thing to do. just hate to think of all- is the wrong thing to do. just hate to think of all those patients and all those families who will suffer directly as a result of the of what the rcn are doing. if they really were concerned about patient safety , concerned about patient safety, i don't think that they would be doing this . i don't think you doing this. i don't think you could conscience to could have a clear conscience to walk out you're intensive walk out if you're an intensive care nurse or cancer nurse and care nurse or a cancer nurse and say that it was patient safety that was motivating you pretty clearly . they just want to clearly. they just want to squeeze extra pounds out squeeze a few extra pounds out of our money, of of the government. our money, of course, that we're paying of the government. our money, of course, �*taxes'e're paying of the government. our money, of course, “taxes .'re paying of the government. our money, of course, “taxes . and aying of the government. our money, of course, “taxes . and song of the government. our money, of course, “taxes . and so it's just through taxes. and so it's just not situation that the not a situation that the government should give government should should give

into and set a precedent for future is an future strikes that this is an okay do . but the okay thing to do. but the assistant editor at prospect magazine , emily crawford, says magazine, emily crawford, says the nurses are putting patients lives at risk due to being overworked . asked if nurses have overworked. asked if nurses have been— overworked. asked if nurses have been so— overworked. asked if nurses have been so overworked— : asked if nurses have been so overworked and understaffed— been so overworked and understaffed for the past few years— understaffed for the past few years rhor— understaffed for the past few yoors rhor h— understaffed for the past few years that in itself has been a ush— years that in itself has been a hsh ro— years that in itself has been a risk to patient— years that in itself has been a risk to patient safety anyway . risk to patient safety anyway. rash— risk to patient safety anyway. rosr y...— risk to patient safety anyway. rosr y... r— risk to patient safety anyway. last year, i think— risk to patient safety anyway. last year, i think last year rhoro— last year, i think last year rhoro horo— last year, i think last year there were 40,000 full time nurses vacancies— there were 40,000 full time nurses vacancies in england . and nurses vacancies in england. and if oro-vo— nurses vacancies in england. and if gor— nurses vacancies in england. and if we've got massive, massive gaps— if we've got massive, massive oops rho— if we've got massive, massive oops hho rho,— if we've got massive, massive gaps like that, i— if we've got massive, massive gaps like that, i think patient sorory— gaps like that, i think patient safety-already— gaps like that, i think patient safety already been risk safety has already been at risk for-. — safety has already been at risk for-. rho— safety has already been at risk for-. the prime- safety has already been at risk. for-. the prime minister for a while. the prime minister has slammed what he's called selfish saboteurs who forced traffic to go slow. rishi sunak told the sun on sunday that he wants to put a stop to those who use tactic . ministers want use this tactic. ministers want police to be able to stop slow walkers, but labour says the government is just chasing headunes government is just chasing headlines as it comes as ministers plan to push through measures widen the legal measures to widen the legal definition serious disruption definition of serious disruption to enable officers to stop activists interfering with traffic . five people, including

traffic. five people, including an eight year old child, have been killed in a shooting at a home in texas . us officials from home in texas. us officials from the san jacinto county sheriff's office attended the scene after they received a call about harassment. several victims have been shot by the time police arrived . the suspect is armed arrived. the suspect is armed and still on the run . the and still on the run. the british army has begun rehearsals for the coronation of king charles. soldiers from all divisions of the armed forces have gathered at training areas across south london to prepare for the biggest ceremonial event of their lives. soldiers have flown home from operational dufies flown home from operational duties or training exercises from as far as cyprus, iraq, kenya and estonia to represent their regiments and corpse at their regiments and corpse at the event , a rep presentatives the event, a rep presentatives from the nation's faith communities will play an active role in the event for the first time in history when king charles is crowned leaders from jewish, hindu, sikh , muslim and jewish, hindu, sikh, muslim and buddhist groups will deliver a greeting to the king in unison

the archbishop of canterbury says the service will be foremost an act of christian worship, but that new elements will reflect the diversity of modern society and the stone of destiny has been welcomed to england in a special ceremony ahead of the coronation. it dates back to the 12th century and is normally on display at edinburgh castle . it will sit edinburgh castle. it will sit under the king's throne next weekend and has been used in coronations for nearly a thousand years . this is gb news. thousand years. this is gb news. we'll bring you more news as it happens. now it's back to nana . happens. now it's back to nana. hello. good afternoon . it's just hello. good afternoon. it's just coming up to hello. good afternoon. it's just oohhg up ro sh— hello. good afternoon. it's just coming up to six minutes- coming up to six minutes after oroo. — coming up to six minutes after oroo. rhrs— coming up to six minutes after oroo. rhrs rs— coming up to six minutes after 3:00. this is gb— coming up to six minutes after 3:00. this is gb news on tv, ohhho— 3:00. this is gb news on tv, ohhho onu— 3:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on— 3:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio nana akua.— online and on digital radio nana ahuo. hou,— online and on digital radio nana akua. now, before— online and on digital radio nana akua. now, before we get stuck hoo— akua. now, before we get stuck hro our— akua. now, before we get stuck into our debates— akua. now, before we get stuck into our debates over the next ho..— into our debates over the next hou. hor— into our debates over the next hou. ho ho— into our debates over the next hour, let me introduce you to my honor.— hour, let me introduce you to my honor-hood— hour, let me introduce you to my hohoh-hooo ro— hour, let me introduce you to my panel.-head to head- hour, let me introduce you to my panel. head to head today panel. going head to head today is panel. going head to head today rs-hrosohror— panel. going head to head today is-presenter and- is gb news presenter and

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shooo- huh— what countless others have asked since-a full and- since and offer a full and hoohhgrur— since and offer a full and meaningful apology for our oouhrry-s— meaningful apology for our country's role— meaningful apology for our country's role in slavery and oorohroh— country's role in slavery and colonial ism,— country's role in slavery and colonial ism, and- country's role in slavery and colonial ism, and commit to rooororory— colonial ism, and commit to reparatory justice. �*fo�*rzgt reparatory justice. well, no, no , nor— reparatory justice. well, no, no . hr— reparatory justice. well, no, no , no, mr speaker, what i think our focus should now be on doing is of course, understanding our history in all its parts, not running away from it, but right now making sure that we have a society which is inclusive and tolerant of people from all backgrounds trying to unpick our history is the way history is not the right way forward is something forward and is not something that our energies that we will focus our energies on. so labour mp bell ribeiro—addy- so labour mp bell ribeiro—addy called for an apology— ribeiro—addy called for an ohorogy oo— ribeiro—addy called for an apology over the uk's historic roro— apology over the uk's historic roro h— apology over the uk's historic role in slavery— apology over the uk's historic role in slavery and colonialism , hur— role in slavery and colonialism , hur hrshr— role in slavery and colonialism , but rishi sunak— role in slavery and colonialism , but rishi sunak refused to ohorogrso— , but rishi sunak refused to ooorogrso os— , but rishi sunak refused to apologise as he— , but rishi sunak refused to apologise as he said that he was oohrhhroo— apologise as he said that he was oohrhhroo ro— apologise as he said that he was committed to ensuring the uk is an committed to ensuring the uk is oh horusho— committed to ensuring the uk is an inclusive and— committed to ensuring the uk is an inclusive and tolerant soorory— an inclusive and tolerant soorory onu— an inclusive and tolerant society and trying to unpick our hrsrory— society and trying to unpick our hrsrory rs— society and trying to unpick our hrsrory rs hor— society and trying to unpick our history is not the— society and trying to unpick our history is not the right way to go history is not the right way to oro-aho— history is not the right way to oo-aho-youl history is not the right way to- go-aho-you proogo go forward. and would you pledge your— go forward. and would you pledge your ouogrohoo— go forward. and would you pledge your allegiance to— go forward. and would you pledge your allegiance to the king? hoyoh— your allegiance to the king? hoyor rohs— your allegiance to the king? hoyor rohs .— your allegiance to the king? royal fans . oh— your allegiance to the king? royal fans . oh so welcome royal fans. oh so welcome ohoorrh— royal fans. oh so welcome aboard. this— royal fans. oh so welcome aboard. this is— royal fans. oh so welcome aboard. this is gb news. just oohhg— aboard. this is gb news. just oohhg uh— aboard. this is gb news. just oohhg up ro— aboard. this is gb news. just coming up to eight minutes after oroo. —

coming up to eight minutes after oroo. rh— coming up to eight minutes after oroo. r-rh hono— coming up to eight minutes after 3:00. i'm nana akua now, a torv— 3:00. i'm nana akua now, a senior tory mp— 3:00. i'm nana akua now, a senior tory mp is- 3:00. i'm nana akua now, a senior tory mp is blaming the shou— senior tory mp is blaming the shah hoars— senior tory mp is blaming the small boats crisis— senior tory mp is blaming the small boats crisis on the incompetence - small boats crisis on the incompetence of the home office sir incompetence of the home office sh ooh— incompetence of the home office sir bob o'neill,— incompetence of the home office sir bob o'neill, who chairs the justice— sir bob o'neill, who chairs the justice select— sir bob o'neill, who chairs the justice select committee, told gb justice select committee, told oh hous— justice select committee, told gb news illegal— justice select committee, told gb news illegal migrants aren't hohg— gb news illegal migrants aren't being processed— gb news illegal migrants aren't being processed quickly enough hooouso— being processed quickly enough hooouso or— being processed quickly enough hooouso of o— being processed quickly enough because of a lack— being processed quickly enough because of a lack of resources. suouo— because of a lack of resources. suella braverman's illegal hrgrorroh— suella braverman's illegal migration bill— suella braverman's illegal migration bill aimed at stopping hoohho— migration bill aimed at stopping hoooro orosshg— migration bill aimed at stopping people crossing the channel in shou— people crossing the channel in shah hoars— people crossing the channel in small boats cleared the commons rash— small boats cleared the commons rosr-rrhh— small boats cleared the commons hosr-rrhh zoo— small boats cleared the commons last-with 289 votes- small boats cleared the commons last with 289 votes to 230. last week with 289 votes to 230. aho— last week with 289 votes to 230. and his— last week with 289 votes to 230. and this comes— last week with 289 votes to 230. and this comes as— last week with 289 votes to 230. and this comes as the final ooouorohr— and this comes as the final evacuation flight carrying hrhhsh— evacuation flight carrying british nationals has left sudan hash— british nationals has left sudan rosr hhghh— british nationals has left sudan last night. now— british nationals has left sudan last night. now the government says— last night. now the government soys rho— last night. now the government says the rescue _ last night. now the government says the rescue mission has been oxrrorhoh— says the rescue mission has been extremely successful but can't rash— extremely successful but can't rosr roroor— extremely successful but can't last forever as— extremely successful but can't last forever as thousands more hrhhsh— last forever as thousands more british citizens— last forever as thousands more british citizens may still be srrohooo. — british citizens may still be stranded. it's— british citizens may still be stranded. it's amid reports of rho— stranded. it's amid reports of the sudanese— stranded. it's amid reports of the sudanese armed forces , which the sudanese armed forces, which had hroohoo— the sudanese armed forces, which had blocked some— the sudanese armed forces, which had blocked some brits crossing rhrough— had blocked some brits crossing through khartoum— had blocked some brits crossing through khartoum to get the through khartoum to get to the orrshh— through khartoum to get to the orrshh .— through khartoum to get to the airship . martin— through khartoum to get to the airship . martin and nigel, we airship. martin and nigel, we got airship. martin and nigel, we gor ro— airship. martin and nigel, we gor ho ho— airship. martin and nigel, we got to the end— airship. martin and nigel, we got to the end of— airship. martin and nigel, we got to the end of that one. wm got to the end of that one. who wrote— got to the end of that one. who wrote-right. i'll— got to the end of that one. who wrote-right. i'll start- wrote that right. i'll start with wrote that right. i'll start huh—whor- wrote that right. i'll start. with _what.you with you, nigel. what do you rhhho — with you, nigel. what do you think? well,— with you, nigel. what do you- think? well,-sudanese think? well, about the sudanese . well, not about them,- think? : well, not about them, but . well, not about them, but ohour— . well, not about them, but ohour orhor— . well, not about them, but about other .— . well, not about them, but about other. no,- well, not about them, but about other. no, seriously, what do you— about other. no, seriously, what do you rhhh— about other. no, seriously, what do you think about this ? �*fo�*rzgt do you think about this? well, i

rho. — do you think about this? well, i rho. rho— do you think about this? well, i mean, the. the whole thing didn't go as well as as well as our ministers are claiming. so so we certainly arrived 20, 24 hours late to the to the party anyway . and of course, there was anyway. and of course, there was the whole row about it getting nhs doctors on board who weren't british passport holders but did hold a work permit to come back to britain . eventually they they to britain. eventually they they did get on board, but the whole point was they shouldn't have been been prevented because of red tape. and i think that we have the same sort of problem in sudan as we had with afghan sudan. we're just never prepared for these things. so afghanistan was based on preparations for an evacuation in from jamaica , evacuation in from jamaica, taking british tourists back. if they'd been an earthquake. the soldiers were confronted by a completely different thing in in afghanistan. and as a result of that , they then had to actually that, they then had to actually use their initiative about the best way of doing it.

use their initiative about the best way of doing it . what best way of doing it. what seemed to happen over in sudan was that our soldiers weren't allowed to use their initiative, so they couldn't well, look so they couldn't say, well, look , nhs so they couldn't say, well, look , you nhs so they couldn't say, well, look , you should nhs so they couldn't say, well, look , you should be\ihs so they couldn't say, well, look , you should be allowed on doctor, you should be allowed on board this flight. instead doctor, you should be allowed on board this flight . instead they board this flight. instead they turn away until the foreign turn them away until the foreign office and cleverly the office and james cleverly the foreign secretary, turned round and said, no, actually we made a bit mistake here. we'll bit of a mistake here. we'll allow them board. well, allow them on board. well, are they right, allow them on board. well, are rhoy .rgh, oo— allow them on board. well, are they right, do .think,- allow them on board. well, are| they right, do .think,-to allow them on board. well, are| they the it, do .think,-to cit" : well, are they the process? :hink, to allow them on board. well, are they the process? because to stop the process? because obviously other obviously there are no other safe for safe and legal routes now for those in sudan to this those in sudan to get to this country? i mean, that's the end of out of it. we've got our people out supposedly arnie, and now there doesn't safer doesn't appear to be any safer legal well, at legal routes. well, i mean, at the the doctors the moment that the doctors should by now. so we should be out by now. so we haven't got a particular- : so we haven't got a particular problem rhoro— haven't got a particular problem rhoro .— haven't got a particular problem rhoro . rho— haven't got a particular problem there . the next— haven't got a particular problem there . the next problem, there. the next problem, ohvrousry— there. the next problem, ohvrousry :— there. the next problem, obviously , is— there. the next problem, obviously , is if the civil war obviously, is if the civil war oovorohs— obviously, is if the civil war oovorohs :— obviously, is if the civil war develops , you're looking at a develops, you're looking at a major— develops, you're looking at a major humanitarian crisis, then whor— major humanitarian crisis, then uhor oo— major humanitarian crisis, then uhor do you— major humanitarian crisis, then uhor do you oo— major humanitarian crisis, then what do you do about that? now i r— what do you do about that? now i r rhhh— what do you do about that? now i mean, i think that— what do you do about that? now i mean, i think that public ohhroh— mean, i think that public opinion can— mean, i think that public opinion can change very quickly. at opinion can change very quickly. or rho— opinion can change very quickly. at the moment,— opinion can change very quickly. at the moment, it— opinion can change very quickly. at the moment, it feels to me rho— at the moment, it feels to me hho woo— at the moment, it feels to me like we're saying— at the moment, it feels to me like we're saying no , we won't like we're saying no, we won't oooohr— like we're saying no, we won't accept sudanese— like we're saying no, we won't accept sudanese refugees. if you remember back— accept sudanese refugees. if you remember back in— accept sudanese refugees. if you remember back in 2015 when a who— remember back in 2015 when a

mo hoy— remember back in 2015 when a little boy iron— remember back in 2015 when a little boy iron a&e ended up hood— little boy iron a&e ended up how oh— little boy iron a&e ended up hood on o— little boy iron a&e ended up dead on a turkish beach, a syhoh— dead on a turkish beach, a syhoh :— dead on a turkish beach, a syrian , after— dead on a turkish beach, a syrian , after trying to make the syrian, after trying to make the tourhoy— syrian, after trying to make the journey oo— syrian, after trying to make the journey over from _ syrian, after trying to make the journey over from syria that ohohgoo— journey over from syria that ohohgoo rho — journey over from syria that changed the public perspective. we changed the public perspective. wo orrohgoo— changed the public perspective. wo orrohgoo o— changed the public perspective. we arranged a settlement scheme for 20,000— we arranged a settlement scheme for 20,000 syrians— we arranged a settlement scheme for 20,000 syrians as they've sorrroo— for 20,000 syrians as they've sorrroo h— for 20,000 syrians as they've settled in really— for 20,000 syrians as they've settled in really well the same rhhg— settled in really well the same rhho sourd— settled in really well the same thing could happen here. but the hhhorrohr— thing could happen here. but the rhoorrohr rhhg— thing could happen here. but the important thing is— thing could happen here. but the important thing is you would roho— important thing is you would roho hoooro— important thing is you would take people from from , um, take people from from, um, rorugoo— take people from from, um, refugee camps— take people from from, um, refugee camps ,_ take people from from, um, refugee camps , not crossing refugee camps, not crossing hoars— refugee camps, not crossing hoors across— refugee camps, not crossing boats across the _ refugee camps, not crossing boats across the channel. vomit boats across the channel. what do you— boats across the channel. what do you throw?— boats across the channel. what do you think? is— boats across the channel. what do you think? is it if only how? liberals on the left always say stop being a white saviour in africa until there's another civil war and were expected to be precisely that. we haven't been involved in sudan since the 19505 been involved in sudan since the 1950s to intimate that this is any way comparable to afghanistan i think is misrepresent reality and the idea we got our nationals out is absolutely correct. and the right thing to do. but if we if we say, right thing to do. but if we if wo soy: ohoy— right thing to do. but if we if we say, okay, well,- right thing to do. but if we if we say, okay, well, i'm- . g g r:rt but if we if we say, okay, well, i'm sort . g g r:rt:r but if we if we say, okay, well, i'm sort of rhrro— we say, okay, well, i'm sort of third cousin— we say, okay, well, i'm sort of third cousin once— we say, okay, well, i'm sort of third cousin once removed from his— third cousin once removed from his horsoh— third cousin once removed from this person, therefore you shouro — this person, therefore you shouro gor— this person, therefore you should get me- this person, therefore you should get me in and let's oxroho— should get me in and let's extendlto_ should get me in and let's extendlto any- should get me in and let's extend to any refugee, then

extend it to any refugee, then it's ostensibly— extend it to any refugee, then it's ostensibly we— extend it to any refugee, then it's ostensibly we become home to it's ostensibly we become home ro ohy— it's ostensibly we become home ro ohy swu— it's ostensibly we become home to any civil war,— it's ostensibly we become home to any civil war, any catastrophe- to any civil war, any catastrophe throughout the orohor. — catastrophe throughout the orohor. who — catastrophe throughout the planet. ' r: catastrophe throughout the planet. ' r: 3" planet. and let's look at sudan in general. sudan is a country that's harboured some of the world's most dangerous terrorists. it's knowingly and willingly harboured hamas , willingly harboured hamas, al—qaeda, the islamic state. if we throw open anybody in sudan who wants safe passage , it could who wants safe passage, it could it could mean inviting terrorists into our same argument about the syrians at the time that that obviously isis were were in syria . and the isis were were in syria. and the fear was isis were were in syria. and the roar rhor— isis were were in syria. and the fear was that we'd _ isis were were in syria. and the fear was that we'd be- �*writrt; "rwrtt; " ” and the fear was that we'd be bringing rorrohsrs— fear was that we'd be bringing terrorists over. _ fear was that we'd be bringing terrorists over. that didn't hohhoh. — terrorists over. that didn't hohhoh. wo— terrorists over. that didn't happen. we actually got the hghr— happen. we actually got the rrghr zoooo— happen. we actually got the right 20,000 people and we've sorwoo— right 20,000 people and we've settled them _ right 20,000 people and we've settled them successfully in his— settled them successfully in his souhrry. — settled them successfully in this country. but you must concur that— this country. but you must concur that if— this country. but you must concur that if it's our job to hwro— concur that if it's our job to invite anybody— concur that if it's our job to invite anybody from around the worm— invite anybody from around the worm ourhg— invite anybody from around the world during any— invite anybody from around the world during any civil war hooouso— world during any civil war because of— world during any civil war because of what? o” world during any civil war because of what? q” g tt world during any civil war because of what? q” 3 ct because of what? of guilt of history, the french. well, compassion actually , the french compassion actually, the french were there after us. and we only went there to stop to stop the

french decimating the country when we helped the egyptians . so when we helped the egyptians. so the idea that that since the 19505, the idea that that since the 1950s, we're still responsible for the fate of the sudanese people is for the birds. no, i'm not even suggesting that. i mean, we weren't responsible for the mean, we weren't responsible for rho syhoh— mean, we weren't responsible for the syrian civil— mean, we weren't responsible for the syrian civil war— mean, we weren't responsible for the syrian civil war either. but we the syrian civil war either. but wo ooorooo— the syrian civil war either. but we decided as— the syrian civil war either. but we decided as an— the syrian civil war either. but we decided as an act of human worry— we decided as an act of human worry rhor— we decided as an act of human worry rhor wo — we decided as an act of human motty that we would take in 20,000— motty that we would take in 20,000 refugees— motty that we would take in 20,000 refugees as , as i say, it 20,000 refugees as, as i say, it hosoo— 20,000 refugees as, as i say, it hosoo oh— 20,000 refugees as, as i say, it was based on on— 20,000 refugees as, as i say, it was based on on one picture harry:— was based on on one picture really, because— was based on on one picture really, because that's what ohohgoo— really, because that's what ohohgoo rho — really, because that's what changed the attitude of the hrhrsh— changed the attitude of the british people.— changed the attitude of the british people. so i'm not soyhg— british people. so i'm not soyhg wo— british people. so i'm not saying we take- british people. so i'm not saying we take everybody in. i'm not saying we take everybody in. i'm hor soyhg— saying we take everybody in. i'm hor soyhg wo-ro— saying we take everybody in. i'm not saying we're responsible for owory— not saying we're responsible for owory ohsrs— not saying we're responsible for every crisis that— not saying we're responsible for every crisis that happens around the every crisis that happens around rho worm:— every crisis that happens around the world, but— every crisis that happens around the world, but we _ every crisis that happens around the world, but we play our part orohg— the world, but we play our part orohg whh— the world, but we play our part along with international horrors.— along with international partners. but— along with international partners. but it has been happening- _ partners. but it has been happening. partners. but it has been- happening. so for the ukraine, we had a refugee system and indeed, there are hundreds and hundreds of flats being built for example, in ireland that have given to ukrainians. have been given to ukrainians. when a huge when there is a huge homelessness problem amongst the indigenous in of indigenous population in of ireland. and think have to ireland. and i think we have to just draw somewhere. just draw a line somewhere. the rules the rules for rules are the rules for a purpose british purpose and that is british nationals. yes, we a duty

nationals. yes, we have a duty and an obligation. but to say anybody who feels unsafe can and an obligation. but to say anyboto who feels unsafe can and an obligation. but to say anyboto britain els unsafe can and an obligation. but to say anyboto britain is. unsafe can and an obligation. but to say anyboto britain is the ;afe can and an obligation. but to say anyboto britain is the precise come to britain is the precise problem. the british people time and time again have voted to take control of our borders. we cannot capacity. cannot do that in any capacity. so control the so if we can't control the dinghies coming in, if we can't control coming on control people coming in on student overstaying , student visas and overstaying, why should then any civil why should we then say any civil war in the world? yeah, on. war in the world? yeah, come on. you're britain. you're all welcome to britain. there has to be a limit to our hospitality and the financial requirements. hospitality and the financial requirements . we can't afford to requirements. we can't afford to do well , i requirements. we can't afford to do well, i mean, do it. nigel well, i mean, you're right. there you're absolutely right. there has which has to be a limit, which is. which—oro- has to be a limit, which is.j which—are set has to be a limit, which is.- which_are set when which is why limits are set when it which is why limits are set when h corros— which is why limits are set when h oowh— which is why limits are set when it comes down to— which is why limits are set when it comes down to the ukrainians , it comes down to the ukrainians : rhoy-rr— it comes down to the ukrainians , rhoy-h orohohry— it comes down to the ukrainians , they'll probably go home as os rho— , they'll probably go home as soon as the war— , they'll probably go home as soon as the war is— , they'll probably go home as soon as the war is over. they'll worr— soon as the war is over. they'll wohr—oouhrryl soon as the war is over. they'll wohr—oouhrry .| want to rebuild their country. who— want to rebuild their country. who wo-wo— want to rebuild their country. arnie we've also— want to rebuild their country. arnie we've also taken in afghans— arnie we've also taken in afghans because we owe them sorhorhhg— afghans because we owe them something because they worked and rough— something because they worked and tough for— something because they worked and fought for the british. when we and fought for the british. when woo-or— and fought for the british. when we-over there. _ and fought for the british. when we-over there. and- and fought for the british. when we over there. and we were we were over there. and we were orso— we were over there. and we were also fulfilling— we were over there. and we were also fulfilling our— also fulfilling our responsibilities to hong also fulfilling our— responsibilities to hong kongers who— responsibilities to hong kongers who oro— responsibilities to hong kongers who oohhg— responsibilities to hong kongers who are coming over as well. the worm— who are coming over as well. the hohr rh— who are coming over as well. the hohr r-rh rorhhg— who are coming over as well. the point i'm talking about here is war— point i'm talking about here is rhor oh— point i'm talking about here is that all those— point i'm talking about here is that all those all— point i'm talking about here is that all those all those things havo— that all those all those things howo hor— that all those all those things have not caused— that all those all those things have not caused a major problem . rhoro— have not caused a major problem . rhoro havo— have not caused a major problem . there have been— have not caused a major problem . there have been some problems. i . there have been some problems. r accept— . there have been some problems. r oooohr: hur— . there have been some problems. r accept our hor— . there have been some problems.

i accept, but not a— . there have been some problems. i accept, but not a major prohrorh— i accept, but not a major prohrorh . — i accept, but not a major problem . well,- i accept, but not a major problem. �*vw�*rtgt i accept, but not a major- problem . well, they have caused problem. well, they have caused problems the media don't like to talk about suggests violence and sexual harassment on the streets. hotel bars being closed. the british people housing stock being hoovered up by serco, which would be normally for british people. rents are going through the roof and there's an knock and there's an ongoing knock on process of housing shortage. and there's an ongoing knock on procthenf housing shortage. and there's an ongoing knock on proc then there'ssing shortage. and there's an ongoing knock on proc then there's wage hortage. and then there's wage suppression. there's an illegal black market. we know there are massive time we massive problems every time we invite fresh people in invite a fresh wave of people in from a disaster , we haven't we from a disaster, we haven't we haven't actually. i mean, okay, so we absolutely— i t i mean, okay, so we absolutely british people who— so we absolutely british people who oro— so we absolutely british people who h— so we absolutely british people who are in sudan— so we absolutely british people who are in sudan or people who are who are in sudan or people who oro—oouhrryl who are in sudan or people who oro—oouhrry :l are connected to this country, who— are connected to this country,- who—from who have been brought out from rhorr— who have been brought out from rhorr oroor— who have been brought out from their great-but- who have been brought out from their great-but we- who have been brought out from their do at-but we- who have been brought out from their do we-but we- who have been brought out from their do we really but we who have been brought out from their do we really havewe who have been brought out from their do we really have the don't do we really have the oohoorry— don't do we really have the oohoorry h— don't do we really have the capacity in this— don't do we really have the capacity in this country keep capacity in this country to keep oohg— capacity in this country to keep oohg rhrs— capacity in this country to keep doing this because we know, doing this because we you know, we doing this because we you know, wo—orror- we can't even look after ourselves you ourselves right now. it's, you know— ourselves right now. it's, you know :— ourselves right now. it's, you know , seriously— ourselves right now. it's, you know , seriously well, because of know, seriously well, because of the know, seriously well, because of rho-orhor— know, seriously well, because of the other settlement the various other settlement hoo— the various other settlement schemes-took— the various other settlement schemes took in. t the various other settlement- schemes.took in. i mean, net schemes we took in. i mean, net immigration last year was 500,000. it'll probably be an awful lot less this year. it's more like a million. well, the actual the net migration, actual net, the net migration, because left as because a load of people left as well. more eu citizens well. so far more eu citizens left britain than actually

arrive, for instance . but no, we arrive, for instance. but no, we don't have an endless capacity. but what we should have is to respond to situations as they happen. i mean, martin seems to be suggesting that we shouldn't have taken ukraine in. no, i'm not saying that. i'm saying that ho— not saying that. i'm saying that ho rhor— not saying that. i'm saying that ho rhor-o— not saying that. i'm saying that that that-a european,- g i'm saying that that that a european, you that that was a european, you know:— that that was a european, you know, oohhor— that that was a european, you know, partner with a direct line to know, partner with a direct line ro our— know, partner with a direct line ro oouhrry— know, partner with a direct line ro oouhrry .— know, partner with a direct line to our country. it's— know, partner with a direct line to our country . it's not the to our country. it's not the same in sudan.- to our country. it's not the same in sudan. it isn't the same. no, but— same in sudan. it isn't the same. no, but but who who were you— same. no, but but who who were you suggosrhg— same. no, but but who who were you suggesting that we didn't roho— you suggesting that we didn't roho h— you suggesting that we didn't roho h our— you suggesting that we didn't take in out of— you suggesting that we didn't take in out of the various hoooro— take in out of the various. hoohro—uhoor people who came in under sorrrorhohr— people who came in under settlement is settlement schemes, which is oohhrorory— settlement schemes, which is completely different from asylum ohhhoorrohs— completely different from asylum opphoohohso — completely different from asylum applications? : completely different from asylum applications ? : applications? should we not have taken the people from hong kong? should we not have taken the afghans? not not have afghans? should we not not have taken who it taken ukrainians? who was it that we shouldn't take? because there's a system .place, - that we shouldn't take? because there's a system i place, l seti there's a system in place, a set of there's a system in place, a set or ruros— there's a system in place, a set or ruros rhor— there's a system in place, a set of rules that aren't— there's a system in place, a set of rules that aren't arbitrary. rr-s— of rules that aren't arbitrary. us nor— of rules that aren't arbitrary. it's not anybody— of rules that aren't arbitrary. it's not anybody is— of rules that aren't arbitrary. it's not anybody is welcome. it's not anybody is welcome. it's basically if you're a british national or from a former british colony , which former british colony, which sudanis former british colony, which sudan is not, then that we have to have parameters . but that's to have parameters. but that's the evacuation— to have parameters. but that's the evacuation process.- the evacuation process. orhorwrso:— the evacuation process. otherwise, we have open borders. n0, otherwise, we have open borders.

ho. r— otherwise, we have open borders. ho. rroho— otherwise, we have open borders. no, no. i take that— otherwise, we have open borders. \rrt:r i take that point. but no, no. i take that point. but rho— no, no. i take that point. but rho hur— no, no. i take that point. but rho hur whor— no, no. i take that point. but the but when you— \rrt:r i take that point. but the but when you talk about hrhhsh— the but when you talk about british nationals, that is the ohorgohoy— british nationals, that is the emergency evacuation bill. and rhor-s— emergency evacuation bill. and hots—aho- emergency evacuation bill. and that's—and that's. that's been done. and that's whor— that's been done. and that's whor rs— that's been done. and that's what is being— that's been done. and that's what is being yes i mean, what is being done. yes i mean, we what is being done. yes i mean, wo ooh-r— what is being done. yes i mean, wo ooh-r know— what is being done. yes i mean, we don't know if— what is being done. yes i mean, we don't know if got got we don't know if we got we got oworyhooy— we don't know if we got we got oworyhooy-yos- we don't know if we got we got everybody yes, mean, everybody out. but yes, i mean, rhoy—roosri they seem to have got at least hoo— they seem to have got at least rsoo—rorhhgl 1500 out. what we're talking ohour— 1500 out. what we're talking ohour rs— 1500 out. what we're talking about is what— 1500 out. what we're talking about is what happens next. and if suooh— about is what happens next. and if sudan develops— about is what happens next. and if sudan develops into a serious owi— if sudan develops into a serious owh wor— if sudan develops into a serious owh oro— if sudan develops into a serious civil war and a— if sudan develops into a serious civil war and a major humanitarian crisis, what are response should— humanitarian crisis, what are response should be in that shuorroh— response should be in that situation ? _ response should be in that situation ? but- response should be in that situation ? situation? but the left always say stop meddling in foreign problems , stop warmongering. problems, stop warmongering. i know tony blair was he was the exception to the rule there. that didn't work. but why is it that it's like every time there's is a foreign war, we don't get involved? britain don't get involved? britain don't be a white saviour except until it happens. and then we're thought of as exclusionary, small minded and racist for saying, hang on a minute, there has to be limits to our hospitality. we're not meddling . we're saving people. let's see whor— . we're saving people. let's see what saying what people are saying here, because emails in because i've got some emails in already. we've got a booker who said nigel and his throwaway. thousands of syrians have settled here successfully .

settled here successfully. really? real evidence really? what real evidence has he and what does he really he got and what does he really mean ? let's ask you mean successfully? let's ask you that. what is the sorry, because you said you said thousands of syrians are here, syrians are settled here, successful albie 20,000. what evidence have you got that that's successful? he said, well , put it different way. what , put it a different way. what evidence any evidence is they've caused any prohrorhso — evidence is they've caused any problems? -that's- evidence is they've caused any problems? mostly that's what he's saying. let's see, nicholas says. so glad your host try and seek balance and think quick to find a positive kyiv. it's good. it's a compliment . it's it's a compliment. it's a compliment. we don't have to get there. so we're kind of like we're we're all in what we're we're all in shock. what a compliment . and then the guy on compliment. and then the guy on the that must be the right, i think that must be you, nigel. you're on the right, i think that must be youleft.el. you're on the right, i think that must be youleft. i'veou're on the right, i think that must be youleft. i've be re on the right, i think that must be youleft. i've be watching on my left. i've be watching you on the right. the guy on the right side. us side. british people want us to take was that take refugees in when was that vote held or referendum? where is his facts on that statement? that's . thank you for that, that's andy. thank you for that, andy. and it's let's see, andy. right and it's let's see, britain be expected to britain shouldn't be expected to open anyone from open the door to anyone from anywhere the come anywhere across the world. come here because they have issues in their . it foolish their own country. it is foolish and to and extremely irresponsible to think otherwise. that's from think otherwise. and that's from david. thank you for that. keep them coming. keep all your

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news radio. good afternoon. it's just coming up to 23 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. now, before the break, we were discussing immigration . let's discussing immigration. let's have a quick look at what you've been saying . john says afternoon been saying. john says afternoon nana you think it's bad now, nana if you think it's bad now, wait when all wait till the summer when all the seaside resorts. yeah . the seaside resorts. oh yeah. and tourism plunges and they don't generate any money because all being taken

all the hotels are being taken up actually generating up with actually generating a lot money. it's from lot of money. but it's not from us. oscar says let the british nationals come back. jay says regardless regarding reference asians, i don't understand how some people think the living of today should pay the debts of the dead from the past. i couldn't agree more. i just don't see the i who don't see the point. i mean, who are you going they're are you going to pay? they're dead ? so join me now. make dead right? so join me now. make sure you send me all your messages . next also messages. but next up, and also in me, martin in the studio with me, martin daubney also nigel nelson. daubney and also nigel nelson. they're going head and they're going head to head and we're discussing the nurses who are off the job are walking off the job once again this evening. members of the rac and will go on strike at 8:00. and the rcn chiefs have warned that the uk could face years of nurses strikes if government doesn't change its strategy on pay. pat cullen has told the independent government and nhs legal action this week will only serve to drive nurses further away . unions, including further away. unions, including unison the gmb , have voted unison and the gmb, have voted in favour government pay of in favour of government pay of the government to the government pay offer to end the government pay offer to end the whilst unite and the the strikes whilst unite and the rcn voted against it. so rcn have voted against it. so let's welcome my panel and let's

discuss. start with you, discuss. i'll start with you, martin daubney what are your thoughts on this? i think now the thoughts on this? i think now rho-srrrhos— thoughts on this? i think now the-strikes are- thoughts on this? i think now the-strikes are they'rei the nurses strikes are they're hoyoho—or- the nurses strikes are they're hoyoho—or hoyl the nurses strikes are they're. beyond _of pay and beyond the realms of pay and rhoy-ro—or- they're into the realms of hours.— they're into the realms of horrrros. h— they're into the realms of politics. if they were serious, a politics. if they were serious, o wooo— politics. if they were serious, o wow pav— politics. if they were serious, a 17.5% pay offer— politics. if they were serious, a 17.5% pay offer is just incredulous. - a 17.5% pay offer is just incredulous. t a 17.5% pay offer is just- incredulous. it's just inflation busting , incredulous. it's just inflation busting, budget busting nonsense. and i think they know it. nonsense. and i think they know h. aho— nonsense. and i think they know h. who rho— nonsense. and i think they know it. and the fact— nonsense. and i think they know it. and the fact that— and i think they know it. and the fact that the two unions are voting for the government's— unions are voting for the government's deal and the rcn are now isolated— government's deal and the rcn are now isolated will start to play— are now isolated will start to pray-horr- are now isolated will start to pray-rhoh .- are now isolated will start to play-them . and- are now isolated will start to play them . and also play against them. and also i rhhh— play against them. and also i rhhh rho— play against them. and also i think the biggest point now is a severe we need— think the biggest point now is a severe we need to— think the biggest point now is a severe we need to ask a severe ouosrroh— severe we need to ask a severe ouosrroh ohour— severe we need to ask a severe question about what nurses ooruohy— question about what nurses actually stand— question about what nurses actually stand for . last week actually stand for. last week rhoy— actually stand for. last week rhoy woro— actually stand for. last week they were withdrawing critical care from cancer— they were withdrawing critical care from cancer patients. this wooh— care from cancer patients. this wooh :— care from cancer patients. this wooh : oroor— care from cancer patients. this week , great ormond street may week, great ormond street may see week, great ormond street may rho— week, great ormond street may see the withdrawal of treatment for rho — see the withdrawal of treatment for the sickest— see the withdrawal of treatment for the sickest children in the mosh— for the sickest children in the most totemic_ for the sickest children in the most totemic children's hospital in most totemic children's hospital h rho— most totemic children's hospital h rho uhrroo— most totemic children's hospital in the united kingdom . if that in the united kingdom. if that hohhohs— in the united kingdom. if that hohhohs h— in the united kingdom. if that happens, if children start dying hooouso— happens, if children start dying hooouso or— happens, if children start dying because of politics and because of workours— because of politics and because of workours r— because of politics and because of walkouts, i think the court of walkouts, i think the court or ruhho— of walkouts, i think the court of public opinion— of walkouts, i think the court of public opinion will rapidly rurh— of public opinion will rapidly rurh ogohsr— of public opinion will rapidly turn against nurses and i think rhoy— turn against nurses and i think rhoy hood— turn against nurses and i think rhoy hooo ro— turn against nurses and i think they need to have— turn against nurses and i think they need to have a long look in they need to have a long look in

rho—rhhh— they need to have a long look in rho—rhhh-rs- the mirror and think, why is it rhoy— the mirror and think, why is it they—occupationl the mirror and think, why is it. they—occupation in they got into this occupation in they got into this occupation in rho hrsr— they got into this occupation in the first place?— the first place? now, i understand— the first place? now, i understand .- the first place? now, i understand . and that the understand. and that the goworhhohr— understand. and that the- government-mickey on government takes the mickey on pav- — government takes the mickey on pav- -of_ government takes the mickey on pav- -0f-th°ughr. pay. a lot of them, though, because, , look, because, you know, look, if you look at the politicians, they are , what, £86,000 now? are earning, what, £86,000 now? and it's arguable i'd say nurses are way more more valuable than politicians. yeah. are way more more valuable than politicians . yeah. and i think politicians. yeah. and i think rhoro-s— politicians. yeah. and i think rhoro-s o— politicians. yeah. and i think there's a decent— t rt. yeah. and i think there's a decent argument for a 5% there's a decent argument for a so hay— there's a decent argument for a so pay so— there's a decent argument for a so ooy whh— there's a decent argument for a 5% pay rise with with back pay. rhor-s— 5% pay rise with with back pay. rhor-s whor— 5% pay rise with with back pay. that's what the _ 5% pay rise with with back pay. that's what the government is offering-— that's what the government is ohorhg. hur— that's what the government is offering. but but— that's what the government is offering. but but 17.5, 20% is, i offering. but but 17.5, 20% is, r rhhh— offering. but but 17.5, 20% is, r rhhh rush— offering. but but 17.5, 20% is, i think, just in— offering. but but 17.5, 20% is, i think, just in the realms of rohrosy.— i think, just in the realms of rohrosy. rho— i think, just in the realms of fantasy. the country can't arrowh— fantasy. the country can't afford h.— fantasy. the country can't afford it. and _ fantasy. the country can't afford it. and i- fantasy. the country can't afford it. and i think the nurses really— afford it. and i think the nurses really need to have a long— nurses really need to have a rohg: horo— nurses really need to have a long, hard look— nurses really need to have a long, hard look in the mirror oro— long, hard look in the mirror and rhhh— long, hard look in the mirror and think, why— long, hard look in the mirror and think, why is it that i'm hurshgo— and think, why is it that i'm nursing? because if children sour— nursing? because if children srorr dying— nursing? because if children start dying because pay start dying because of pay ohors— start dying because of pay ohors-gohg- start dying because of pay offers,-going to- start dying because of pay offers, going to be offers, it's going to be a horrohor— offers, it's going to be a national they national scandal because they hoop— national scandal because they hoop orguhp— national scandal because they keep arguing that actually it's not keep arguing that actually it's nor—ooruouy- not just pay, it's actually conditions,— conditions, everything else. hur— conditions, everything else. huh-hrhrsh— conditions, everything else. but-british nurse,- conditions, everything else. but-british nurse, on. but the british nurse, on average, about average, they earn about £30,880. but if you compare that to the european average wage, it's about 36,600. it's around about 36,600. so they are kind of in line with our partners . yeah, it our european partners. yeah, it depends. it depends which depends. it depends on which grade— depends. it depends on which who you— depends. it depends on which who you hook— depends. it depends on which grade you look-and- depends. it depends on which. grade you look-and-and grade you look at and so on. and but grade you look at and so on. and our wo— grade you look at and so on. and our wo roho— grade you look at and so on. and but we take an— grade you look at and so on. and but we take an an— grade you look at and so on. and but we take an an average on posh— but we take an an average on posh-:— but we take an an average on hash- posh— but we take an an average on basic-, basic pay.- but we take an an average on

basic , basic pay. okay. but we take an an average on basirjust , basic pay. okay. but we take an an average on basirjust just)asic pay. okay. but we take an an average on basirjust just asic pay. okay. but we take an an average on basirjust just a pointy. okay. but we take an an average on basirjust just a point about(. and just just a point about oroor— and just just a point about great ormond— and just just a point about great ormond street hospital. rhoy-ro— great ormond street hospital. rhoy-ro hor— great ormond street hospital. they're not going to and they're not going to go and srhho— they're not going to go and strike _they've i strike there. now. they've ogrooo— strike there. now. they've agreed actually maintain agreed to actually maintain or— agreed to actually maintain cover at ormond street. cover at great ormond street. they— cover at great ormond street. i rhoy—so. rhoy they threatened to do so. they threaten to so, they they threatened to do so. theyi threaten to.so,-they have threaten to do so, but they have ooruohy— threaten to do so, but they have actually relented— threaten to do so, but they have actually relented from that. and worrh— actually relented from that. and worrh rs— actually relented from that. and worrh rs furro— actually relented from that. and martin is quite right. about the moro— martin is quite right. about the ooor/o phy— martin is quite right. about the ropw poy orohh — martin is quite right. about the ropw poy orohh .— martin is quite right. about the 70.5% pay claim . no, it was not 70.5% pay claim. no, it was not roohsrro— 70.5% pay claim. no, it was not roohsrro ohy— 70.5% pay claim. no, it was not realistic any more— 70.5% pay claim. no, it was not realistic any more than doctors rryhg— realistic any more than doctors rryhg ro— realistic any more than doctors rryhp ro por— realistic any more than doctors rryhp ro gor sow— realistic any more than doctors trying to get 35% is realistic. so trying to get 35% is realistic. so why— trying to get 35% is realistic. so why ash— trying to get 35% is realistic. so why ask for— trying to get 35% is realistic. so why ask for it,— trying to get 35% is realistic. so why ask for it, though- trying to get 35% is realistic. so why ask for it, though, if mean the just because it's not realistic doesn't mean it's not reasonable that the argument has been that their pay over the last 20 years has fallen or has fallen behind . the same with the fallen behind. the same with the ooorors— fallen behind. the same with the ooorors rhor— fallen behind. the same with the doctors that if— fallen behind. the same with the doctors that if they— fallen behind. the same with the doctors that if they were - doctors that if they were hoophp — doctors that if they were hoophp pooo— doctors that if they were keeping pace with inflate oorroh— keeping pace with inflate action, that's— keeping pace with inflate action, that's the kind of rise rhoy— action, that's the kind of rise rhoy shouro— action, that's the kind of rise they should have. but but but, nigel, just to stop you on that, it's unrealistic to expect it's very unrealistic to expect your pay to line with your pay to go in line with inflation. they're very fortunate that can even fortunate that they can even request you look fortunate that they can even req say, you look fortunate that they can even req say, average you look fortunate that they can even req say, average it you look fortunate that they can even req say, average it managerk at, say, an average it manager and just looked at that over and i just looked at that over the last sort years, the last sort of ten years, their gone down their their pay has gone down about 26% since 2010. so the nurses are actually in a better position than a lot of other

professions. and perhaps do you think bit unrealistic and little bit unrealistic and not understanding of understanding the landscape of the other other jobs because loads of other loads of other different industries are falling behind? ithink different industries are falling behind? i think i think they or— behind? i think i think they or rho— r:7 i think i think they were at the original pay claim, but were at the original pay claim, hur rhrs— were at the original pay claim, hur rhrs hos— were at the original pay claim, but this has now— were at the original pay claim, but this has now now come back down— but this has now now come back down ro— but this has now now come back down o 5,— but this has now now come back down to 5, which— but this has now now come back down to 5, which is— but this has now now come back down to 5, which is obviously a lot down to 5, which is obviously a or horo— down to 5, which is obviously a lot more realistic— down to 5, which is obviously a lot more realistic .— down to 5, which is obviously a lot more realistic . erg the lot more realistic. erg the prohrorh— lot more realistic. erg the problem you've— lot more realistic. erg the problem you've got there is that the problem you've got there is that ho how — problem you've got there is that ho how rs— problem you've got there is that the rcn is rejected , that not the rcn is rejected, that not rho— the rcn is rejected, that not the leadership,— the rcn is rejected, that not the leadership, the leadership recommended— the leadership, the leadership recommended it,— the leadership, the leadership recommended it, but the nurses rhorhsowos— recommended it, but the nurses themselves voted— recommended it, but the nurses themselves voted against that which— themselves voted against that which rhoy-ro — themselves voted against that which they're entitled to do . which they're entitled to do. vou— which they're entitled to do. you gor— which they're entitled to do. you've got unison, which roprosohrs— you've got unison, which represents the— you've got unison, which represents the majority of hoohh— represents the majority of health workers _ represents the majority of health workers and they've ooooproo— health workers and they've ooooproo h— health workers and they've ooooproo h .— health workers and they've accepted it . then, as you've accepted it. then, as you've orroooy— accepted it. then, as you've orroooy soro— accepted it. then, as you've already said ,_ accepted it. then, as you've already said , we- accepted it. then, as you've already said , we now have gmb already said, we now have gmb uhho— already said, we now have gmb uhho :— already said, we now have gmb uhho : wo— already said, we now have gmb unite , we have— already said, we now have gmb unite , we have the other unions unite, we have the other unions rhoro— unite, we have the other unions rhoro sourd— unite, we have the other unions there could be— unite, we have the other unions there could be a— unite, we have the other unions there could be a solution to his— there could be a solution to his oo— there could be a solution to this come tuesday when the nhs shah— this come tuesday when the nhs sroh couhoh— this come tuesday when the nhs staff council meets— this come tuesday when the nhs staff council meets and the way rhor— staff council meets and the way ho ho— staff council meets and the way that that would _ staff council meets and the way that that would work is the oh— that that would work is the unions all get— that that would work is the unions all get a- that that would work is the unions all get a weighted vote oopohohg— unions all get a weighted vote oopohohg oh— unions all get a weighted vote depending on their membership and h— depending on their membership and h hrghr— depending on their membership and it might then call off the srhhos— and it might then call off the strikes question— and it might then call off the strikes question obviously is whorhor— strikes question obviously is whorhor or— strikes question obviously is whether or not— strikes question obviously is whether or not the nurses should go oh— whether or not the nurses should go oh srhho—

whether or not the nurses should go on strike from _ whether or not the nurses should go on strike from tonight or how— go on strike from tonight or pop h— go on strike from tonight or pop h you— go on strike from tonight or not. if you believe in the right to not. if you believe in the right ro surro— not. if you believe in the right to strike, which— not. if you believe in the right to strike, which i— not. if you believe in the right to strike, which i do, i think ves— to strike, which i do, i think yes .— to strike, which i do, i think yos , rhoy— to strike, which i do, i think yes , they should. whether those yes, they should. whether those srhhos— yes, they should. whether those srrrhos wru— yes, they should. whether those strikes will continue after ruosooy— strikes will continue after ruosooy rs— strikes will continue after tuesday is another matter . �*thr tuesday is another matter. do you— tuesday is another matter. do you rhrhh— tuesday is another matter. do you rhhh thor— tuesday is another matter. do you think that perhaps the government needs to start looking workers and looking at essential workers and actually start looking to remove their strike and their right to strike and promise that their pay will maybe up with maybe go up in line with inflation reason? inflation within reason? a similar thing happened in the 1980s when 1980s with ronald reagan when the air traffic controllers in america went on strike and he said, back to said, if you don't get back to work morning, work on monday morning, you're fired . and they were like, you fired. and they were like, you ooh-r— fired. and they were like, you sour—soro- fired. and they were like, you ooh-r—soro :- fired. and they were like, you ooh-r—soro : r- fired. and they were like, you can't—said , i cani can't do that. he said, i can hooouso— can't do that. he said, i can because-a critical- because it was a critical sorwoo. — because it was a critical service. america was literally grouhooo— service. america was literally prouhooo .— service. america was literally grounded . and— service. america was literally grounded . and here we are now. grounded. and here we are now. who— grounded. and here we are now. who-how— grounded. and here we are now. who-how :— grounded. and here we are now. who-how : rhoy- grounded. and here we are now. and right , they withdrawn and you're right, they withdrawn that and you're right, they withdrawn rhor—sohro- that that ridiculous sabre rorrhhg— that that ridiculous sabre rorrrhg or— that that ridiculous sabre rattling of threatening to not woor— rattling of threatening to not woor show— rattling of threatening to not treat sick children. but nonetheless, - treat sick children. but nonetheless, made that nonetheless, they made that rhroor— nonetheless, they made that threat—think. nonetheless, they made that. threat—think that's nonetheless, they made that thr absolute think that's nonetheless, they made that thr absolute dereliction 1k that's nonetheless, they made that thrabsolute dereliction of that's nonetheless, they made that thrabsolute dereliction of duty. an absolute dereliction of duty. it's an absolute dereliction of duty. rr-s oruor— an absolute dereliction of duty. it's cruel and— an absolute dereliction of duty. it's cruel and it— an absolute dereliction of duty. it's cruel and it pushes this hro— it's cruel and it pushes this ho ho— it's cruel and it pushes this into the realms— it's cruel and it pushes this into the realms for me, not only how— into the realms for me, not only ohour pay— into the realms for me, not only ohour poy :— into the realms for me, not only ohour poy , hur— into the realms for me, not only about pay , but trying to inflict about pay, but trying to inflict the maximum— about pay, but trying to inflict the maximum political capital homopho— the maximum political capital homogo oh— the maximum political capital damage on the— the maximum political capital damage on the conservative goworhhohr— damage on the conservative goworhhohr :— damage on the conservative government , because that's what government, because that's what this government, because that's what rhrs—ohour- this is about now. it's about or— this is about now. it's about horr-uhrohs— this is about now. it's about left-unions-to. left wing unions trying to make the left wing unions trying to make rho-rook— left wing unions trying to make the-look like— left wing unions trying to make the look like child the tories look like child

hhors— the tories look like child killers who _ the tories look like child killers who don't care about the hoohh— killers who don't care about the health-nation— killers who don't care about the health nation when the health of the nation when the roar— health of the nation when the roar prohrorh— health of the nation when the real problem is— health of the nation when the real problem is that the nhs is hrohoh— real problem is that the nhs is hrohoh pho— real problem is that the nhs is broken and needs— real problem is that the nhs is broken and needs a root and harsh— broken and needs a root and branch reform. _ broken and needs a root and branch reform. and what pohhoor— branch reform. and what political party has actually got the political party has actually got rho ours— political party has actually got rho guts-that- political party has actually got the guts that. now my fear the guts to do that. now my fear is the guts to do that. now my fear rs—rohy— the guts to do that. now my fear rs—rohy gors- the guts to do that. now my fear rs—rohy gors rh- is if the labour party gets in, rhoy-ro— is if the labour party gets in, rhoy-ro gohg— is if the labour party gets in, rhoy-ro gohg ro— is if the labour party gets in, they're going to absolutely they're going to be absolutely on they're going to be absolutely oh rho— they're going to be absolutely oh rho whoos— they're going to be absolutely on the knees their union on the knees to their union horohs— on the knees to their union horohs who— on the knees to their union barons who bankrolled them. so this barons who bankrolled them. so rhrs-ohy— barons who bankrolled them. so this-any better- barons who bankrolled them. so this any better any this won't get any better any who— this won't get any better any who-wus- this won't get any better any time - nhs needs l this won't get any better any time nhs needs to this won't get any better any- time-nhs needs to be time soon. the nhs needs to be rororrhoo— time soon. the nhs needs to be rororrhoo oro— time soon. the nhs needs to be reformed and the— time soon. the nhs needs to be reformed and the conservative poworhrhohr— reformed and the conservative government has— reformed and the conservative government has got to do sorhorhhg— government has got to do something--- government has got to do something . they government has got to do- something-. they appear government has got to do- some'and]-. they appear government has got to do some'and] not . they appear government has got to do some'and] not goingzy appear government has got to do some'and] not going anywhere weak and it's not going anywhere whor— weak and it's not going anywhere soon. what would— weak and it's not going anywhere soon. what would you say to the hoor— soon. what would you say to the roor rhor— soon. what would you say to the ho ho h— soon. what would you say to the fact that it-look_ soon. what would you say to the fact that it look like it's fact that it does look like it's a fact that it does look like it's o oohoohoo— fact that it does look like it's a concerted effort— fact that it does look like it's a concerted effort of unions to try a concerted effort of unions to rry oro— a concerted effort of unions to rry oho oruh— a concerted effort of unions to try and club together, try try and club together, to try pho— try and club together, to try and oroor— try and club together, to try and eject the— try and club together, to try and eject the government? �*vw�*rtgt try and club together, to try a: :�* tect the government? �*vw�*rtgt try and club together, to try a: i t government? �*vw�*rtgt try and club together, to try a: i t t trvernment? �*vw�*rtgt try and club together, to try a: i t t rtrnment? �*vw�*rtgt try and club together, to try adon't think it's a political well, i don't think it's a political thing what the unions are thing that what the unions are exist for is to improve the pay and conditions of members as thatis and conditions of members as that is what they're doing. when it comes down to the kind of when it comes down to the kind or—you— when it comes down to the kind or—you horo- of strike action you take, rhoro-s— of strike action you take, there's-point. of strike action you take,- there's-point going on there's not much point going on srhho. — there's not much point going on srhho. rhoy-wo— there's not much point going on strike. they've - no - there's not much point going on strike. they've no effect at strike. they've had no effect at oh.— strike. they've had no effect at oh. so— strike. they've had no effect at oh. so-howo— strike. they've had no effect at all. so .havelhave- strike. they've had no effect at all. so have have strike all. so you have to have strike ooor.— all. so you have to have strike oorroh. rhor— all. so you have to have strike action. that does— all. so you have to have strike action. that does have an effect . so— action. that does have an effect . so whorhor— action. that does have an effect . so whether-the- action. that does have an effect . so whether the rail . so whether that's the rail wororsh— . so whether that's the rail workers doing— . so whether that's the rail workers doing it- . so whether that's the rail workers doing it for eurovision oro— workers doing it for eurovision oro-worry— workers doing it for eurovision oro-worry pho— workers doing it for eurovision and derby and the fa cup, and the derby and the fa cup, hur— and the derby and the fa cup, hur rhoro-s— and the derby and the fa cup, but there'slbig_ and the derby and the fa cup, but there's big difference but there's a big difference horwooh— but there's a big difference between people being to

between people being able to get to between people being able to get o o— between people being able to get o o rooo— between people being able to get to a race on-and_ between people being able to get to a race on and their to a race on time and their ohhoroh— to a race on time and their ohhoroh or— to a race on time and their children or their- to a race on time and their children or their mothers or rhorr— children or their mothers or rhorr-or— children or their mothers or their-or their- children or their mothers or their or their fathers their sons or their fathers dying-— their sons or their fathersi dying-_that their sons or their fathers . dying-_that . their sons or their fathers - dying-_that . our dying. i do appreciate that. but but dying. i do appreciate that. but our pho— dying. i do appreciate that. but our and r— dying. i do appreciate that. but but and i also— dying. i do appreciate that. but but and i also think that the answer to this— but and i also think that the answer to this ultimately is whor— answer to this ultimately is whor you— answer to this ultimately is what you've just said. martin rho— what you've just said. martin rho wus— what you've just said. martin rho whs rs— what you've just said. martin the nhs is on— what you've just said. martin the nhs is on its— what you've just said. martin the nhs is on its knees. what you've just said. martin the nhs is on its knees . we can the nhs is on its knees. we can no rohgor— the nhs is on its knees. we can no rohgor rur— the nhs is on its knees. we can no longer run on— the nhs is on its knees. we can no longer run on a— the nhs is on its knees. we can no longer run on a 21st century hoohh— no longer run on a 21st century health service— no longer run on a 21st century health service based on a 1948 hooor. — health service based on a 1948 hooor. aru— health service based on a 1948 model. and don't— health service based on a 1948 model. 'r: cjqj’ t cjqj’ t health service based on a 1948 model. 'r: r:rt:r: t cjqj’ t g model. and don't don't forget as well, it needs reform. it's not just about pay. i know the nhs junior doctors like to say, well, we earn less than barristers earn less than barristers or we earn less than people who work in restaurants . people who work in restaurants. what about the pensions? what about the perks? what the about the perks? what about the benefits all paid for the benefits all paid for by the taxpayer ? and every 1% is going taxpayer? and every 1% is going to millions to cost millions and millions and millions of pounds to you to cost millions and millions and i. illions of pounds to you to cost millions and millions and i. illioreveryiounds to you to cost millions and millions and i. illiorevery taxpayer. you to cost millions and millions and i. illiorevery taxpayer. we and i. and every taxpayer. we have to say, hang on have a right to say, hang on now, this is pushing things too far. yes. i mean, but the point to far. yes. i mean, but the point ro sorr— far. yes. i mean, but the point ro sorr or— far. yes. i mean, but the point to sort of full— far. yes. i mean, but the point to sort of full circle— yes. i mean, but the point to sort of full circle is where rho— to sort of full circle is where rho phy— to sort of full circle is where rho poy orohh — to sort of full circle is where the pay claim is— to sort of full circle is where the pay claim is at the moment is affordable.— the pay claim is at the moment is affordable. we— the pay claim is at the moment is affordable. we are talking orouro— is affordable. we are talking around about— is affordable. we are talking around about 5.— is affordable. we are talking around about 5. but they rofooroo— around about 5. but they rejected that _ around about 5. but they rejected that .- around about 5. but they rejected that . no, the nurses, rejected that. no, the nurses, rho— rejected that. no, the nurses, rho hursos— rejected that. no, the nurses, the nurses have— rejected that. no, the nurses, the nurses have rejected that. we the nurses have rejected that. wo howo— the nurses have rejected that. wo howo ro— the nurses have rejected that. we have to see—

the nurses have rejected that. we have to see what the nhs sroh— we have to see what the nhs staff council— we have to see what the nhs staff council does on tuesday day— staff council does on tuesday ooy hooouso— staff council does on tuesday day because some unions have ooooproo— day because some unions have ooooproo h.— day because some unions have accepted it. but— day because some unions have accepted it. but we are the pohr—rhoro- accepted it. but we are the point—there is. accepted it. but we are the- point_there is we're point i'm making there is we're hook— point i'm making there is we're pooh hro— point i'm making there is we're now back into kind realist now back into a kind of realist show— now back into a kind of realist stick negotiating— now back into a kind of realist stick negotiating position. howoo— stick negotiating position. hooyou— stick negotiating position. however you look at it. well, rho— however you look at it. well, rho how — however you look at it. well, rho how rs— however you look at it. well, the rcn is holding out and it rush— the rcn is holding out and it fusr horos— the rcn is holding out and it just makes them— the rcn is holding out and it just makes them i fear, look hrhrohr— just makes them i fear, look hrhrohr :— just makes them i fear, look militant , unrealistic political militant, unrealistic political ash— militant, unrealistic political ash r— militant, unrealistic political ash r rhhh— militant, unrealistic political a&e, i think, and greedy on the oro— a&e, i think, and greedy on the oho oro— a&e, i think, and greedy on the end and against— a&e, i think, and greedy on the end and against the care of porrohrs— end and against the care of porrohrs :— end and against the care of patients , which— end and against the care of patients , which is the formative patients, which is the formative oohrror— patients, which is the formative oohrror proph— patients, which is the formative central plank of— patients, which is the formative central plank of being a nurse, surory. — central plank of being a nurse, surory. hur— central plank of being a nurse, surory. our-gor- central plank of being a nurse, surely. but-got to - central plank of being a nurse, surely. grtr surely. but i've got to say, though, having seen the operation and the way health operation and the way the health service operates, so my son, he was sort of stiff was he had a funny sort of stiff neck he neck the other day and he couldn't head properly. couldn't move his head properly. and one of and i thought and that is one of the and i thought and that is one of rho—so- the signs of meningitis. so we got the signs of meningitis. so we ooh-whh— the signs of meningitis. so we ooh-whh hor- the signs of meningitis. so we got-with her-thei got in touch with her and the whoro — got in touch with her and the whoro—h- got in touch with her and the whole _ in the l got in touch with her and the. whole—in the 111, whole service kicked in the 111, which— whole service kicked in the 111, which-oppos— whole service kicked in the 111, which-ages and- whole service kicked in the 111, which ages and then which took ages and then owohruohy— which took ages and then eventually the— which took ages and then eventually the doctors and owohruohy— eventually the doctors and eventually the _ eventually the doctors and eventually the ambulance came to get eventually the ambulance came to poor hhh. — eventually the ambulance came to poor hhh. ho— eventually the ambulance came to gor hrrh. ho worr— eventually the ambulance came to get him. he went to— eventually the ambulance came to get him. he went to hospital get him. he went to the hospital and get him. he went to the hospital oro—rho— get him. he went to the hospital oro—rho pooprol and they couldn't the people souroh-r— and they couldn't the peoplei oouroh-r—aho and they couldn't the people. couldn't—and in couldn't have been nicer. and in my rhino:— couldn't have been nicer. and in my mind,-thinking,- my mind, i was thinking, you know— my mind, i was thinking, you know who?— my mind, i was thinking, you know what? this— my mind, i was thinking, you know what? this this is incredible. _ know what? this this is- incredible. _ lucky know what? this this is- incredible. _lucky to incredible. we're very lucky to havo— incredible. we're very lucky to hoo-hur— incredible. we're very lucky to have-but-needs- incredible. we're very lucky to have but needs to incredible. we're very lucky to. have-but-needs to be have this. but there needs to be a have this. but there needs to be o ohohgo. — have this. but there needs to be o ohohgo. -oro— have this. but there needs to be a change. _did-somel a change. and i did ask some of the a change. and i did ask some of rho-rho— a change. and i did ask some of the-the ambulance,- the guys in the ambulance, you know:— the guys in the ambulance, you. hhow—why know, the ambulance workers, why why — know, the ambulance workers, why why poopro— know, the ambulance workers, why why are people going strike? know, the ambulance workers, why why they)eople going strike? know, the ambulance workers, why why they)eople g(basically rike? know, the ambulance workers, why why they)eople g(basically forr? and they said it's basically for the and they said it's basically for

rho—porrohrs- and they said it's basically for rho—porrohrs i and they said it's basically fori the—patients . but the safety of the patients. but for rho— the safety of the patients. but for rhor— the safety of the patients. but for me, that doesn't sort of harry— for me, that doesn't sort of harry oh— for me, that doesn't sort of marry off with— for me, that doesn't sort of marry off with the fact that rhoy—hugoi they then asked for a huge unrealistic— they then asked for a huge unrealistic pay— they then asked for a huge unrealistic pay rise, which ooosh-r— unrealistic pay rise, which ooosh-r-ror- unrealistic pay rise, which doesn't-for me.- unrealistic pay rise, which doesn't for me. but let's doesn't work for me. but let's soo—soyhgl doesn't work for me. but let's soo—soyhg -i see what people are saying. cowh— see what people are saying. cohh-h-s— see what people are saying. colin-it's-time. see what people are saying.. colin-it's-time that colin says it's about time that rhoso— colin says it's about time that rhoso oh— colin says it's about time that rhoso oh rho— colin says it's about time that those on the picket lines were rrohsporohr— those on the picket lines were rrohsporohr .— those on the picket lines were transparent . they— those on the picket lines were transparent . they should wear transparent. they should wear orhhohos— transparent. they should wear armbands-are- transparent. they should wear armbands are union armbands if they are union ohhorors. — armbands if they are union officials. and— armbands if they are union officials. and for those who o-rohr— officials. and for those who aren't,_state . officials. and for those who. aren't,_state what aren't, they should state what rhoy— aren't, they should state whati rhoy—prowous they earned over their previous you.— they earned over their previous yoor. rr-s— they earned over their previous yoor. rr-s horr— they earned over their previous year. it's fair enough, isn't it 7 year. it's fair enough, isn't it oroohorro— year. it's fair enough, isn't it ? jeanette says.— year. it's fair enough, isn't it ? jeanette says. we already know rhor— ? jeanette says. we already know rhor-sroh— ? jeanette says. we already know that-staff-care- that the nhs staff don't care how— that the nhs staff don't care hour—.- that the nhs staff don't care ohour—. ourhgi that the nhs staff don't care- about_. during the about patient safety. during the pohoohro— about patient safety. during the pandemic, doctors— about patient safety. during the pandemic, doctors discharged hrooroo— pandemic, doctors discharged infected infected people into care homes and— infected infected people into care homes and refused to admit yoo— care homes and refused to admit yoo from— care homes and refused to admit yoo from o— care homes and refused to admit anyone from a care— care homes and refused to admit anyone from a care home. well, i ooh-r—rhor-s- anyone from a care home. well, i don't—that's true. don't know whether that's true or-rho — don't know whether that's true or the government or that was the government pohoy— or that was the government pohoy rhor— or that was the government policy that was— or that was the government policy that was not the doctors oohg— policy that was not the doctors oohg rhorh. — policy that was not the doctors doing them. actually, i understand— doing them. actually, i understand that you're upset whh— understand that you're upset whh-wouro- understand that you're upset with _would be. - understand that you're upset with would be. we've got with that. i would be. we've got whh— with that. i would be. we've got some with-boats- with that. i would be. we've got some with boats well. some with small boats as well. rrsroh— some with small boats as well. listen _thoughtsl listen keep all your thoughts coming.— listen keep all your thoughts oohhg. oh— listen keep all your thoughts coming. gb views at gb news. or. —rwoor- coming. gb views at gb news. wh—rwoor rho- coming. gb views at gb news. .uk._tweet me at. coming. gb views at gb news.i .uk._tweet me at gb .uk. or why not tweet me at gb wows. — .uk. or why not tweet me at gb wows. aron— .uk. or why not tweet me at gb news. alan says,— .uk. or why not tweet me at gb news. alan says, i— .uk. or why not tweet me at gb news. alan says, i think the nurses are just— news. alan says, i think the nurses are just being greedy. rhoro— nurses are just being greedy. rhoro oro— nurses are just being greedy. rhoro o— nurses are just being greedy. there are a lot— nurses are just being greedy. there are a lot people in the there are a lot of people in the uk who— there are a lot of people in the uk who havo— there are a lot of people in the uk who have made— there are a lot of people in the uk who have made lot less , uk who have made a lot less, huro— uk who have made a lot less, who says.— uk who have made a lot less, diana says. whilst to diana says. whilst i'd like to rho— diana says. whilst i'd like to see the nurses— diana says. whilst i'd like to see the nurses salaries doubled, diana says. whilst i'd like to sdon'te nurses salaries doubled, diana says. whilst i'd like to sdon'te nursewitharies doubled, diana says. whilst i'd like to s don'te nursewith them doubled, i don't agree with them srhhhg. — i don't agree with them striking. andrew says, striking. and andrew says, i ooh-r— striking. and andrew says, i ooh-r supporr— striking. and andrew says, i don't support nurses and doctors

who— don't support nurses and doctors who-poopro-s— don't support nurses and doctors who-people's lives- don't support nurses and doctors who people's lives at risk. who put people's lives at risk. rhoso— who put people's lives at risk. these unions,— who put people's lives at risk. these unions, who— who put people's lives at risk. these unions, who are demanding oxrorrrohoro— these unions, who are demanding extortionate-rises_ these unions, who are demanding extortionate rises and extortionate pay rises and oosrroyhg— extortionate pay rises and destroying the— extortionate pay rises and destroying the economy make me show.— destroying the economy make me show. chhoy— destroying the economy make me show. chhoy hoop— destroying the economy make me sick. crikey keep your thoughts coming.— sick. crikey keep your thoughts oohhg. wouro— sick. crikey keep your thoughts coming. you're with me. i'm nana akua— coming. you're with me. i'm nana ahuo .— coming. you're with me. i'm nana ahuo . rhrs— coming. you're with me. i'm nana ahuo . rhrs rs— coming. you're with me. i'm nana akua . this is gb— coming. you're with me. i'm nana akua . this is gb _on- coming. you're with me. i'm nana akua . this is gb on tv, akua. this is gb news on tv, ohhho— akua. this is gb news on tv, ohhho pho— akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on— akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. on the online and on digital radio. on rho-.— online and on digital radio. on rho. rohour— online and on digital radio. on the-. labour mps- online and on digital radio. on the . labour mps have called the way. labour mps have called for the way. labour mps have called roro—wor— the way. labour mps have called roro—wor rho- the way. labour mps have called for—over the uk's- for an apology over the uk's hrsroho— for an apology over the uk's historic role— for an apology over the uk's historic role slavery historic role in slavery reparations— historic role in slavery reparations for the prime rrhrsror.— reparations for the prime minister. rishi sunak refused to opohoghso— minister. rishi sunak refused to oporoprso. was— minister. rishi sunak refused to apologise. was he— minister. rishi sunak refused to apologise. was he right. nana rhohh— apologise. was he right. nana rhohh you— apologise. was he right. nana rhohh you wory— apologise. was he right. nana thank you very much. t £51515 thank you very much. it's 333. hrs— thank you very much. it's 333. hrs rs— thank you very much. it's 333. his ho ho— thank you very much. it's 333. this is the latest from the newsroom. some breaking news. a humanitarian truce in sudan has been extended for 72 hours, starting from midnight tonight. it comes as the red cross has sent planes with medical suppues sent planes with medical supplies to the port of sudan . supplies to the port of sudan. that's following the final evacuation flight carrying british nationals that departed khartoum late last night. british nationals that departed khartoum late last night . deputy khartoum late last night. deputy prime minister oliver dowden said rescue operations ended following a significant decline

in the number of british nationals coming forward to flee. nearly 1900 people on 21 flights have been evacuated . aid flights have been evacuated. aid nhs nurses across the country will walk out from 8:00 this evening in a 28 hour strike over pay evening in a 28 hour strike over pay 54% of rcn members rejected the government's offer of a 5% pay the government's offer of a 5% pay rise from april . the general pay rise from april. the general secretary of the rcn, pat cullen, has said nurses have worked tirelessly with nhs england to make sure their strike is safe for patients. great ormond street hospital is among aukus locations where nurses have agreed to keep limited staff on after voicing serious concerns about patient safety during the walkout . nhs safety during the walkout. nhs england is urging the public to use the health service wisely and says emergency and urgent care would remain the priority . care would remain the priority. for five people, including an eight year old child, have been killed in a shooting at a home in texas . officials from the san in texas. officials from the san jacinto county sheriff's office attended the scene after they

received a call about harassment . several victims had been shot by the time police arrived. the suspect is armed and still on the run . and the british army the run. and the british army has begun rehearsals for the coronation of king charles. soldiers from all divisions of the armed forces have gathered at training areas across south london to prepare for the biggest ceremonial event of their lives. they've flown home from operational duties or training exercise forces from as far as cyprus , iraq, kenya and far as cyprus, iraq, kenya and estonia to represent their regiments and corpse at the event. regiments and corpse at the event . tv online dab+ radio and event. tv online dab+ radio and on tune in. this is gb news. now it's back to nana . it's back to nana. it's fast it's back to nana.- - it's fast approaching 36 it's fast approaching 36 minutes . it's fast approaching 36 minutes after— - it's fast approaching 36. minutes after_ more minutes after 3:00, loads more shu— minutes after 3:00, loads more srru ro— minutes after 3:00, loads more srru ro oroo— minutes after 3:00, loads more

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on gb news. the people's channel hrhoh— on gb news. the people's channel hrhoh rs— on gb news. the people's channel britain is watching— on gb news. the people's channel britain is watching .— on gb news. the people's channel britain is watching . c: britain is watching. good ohorrooh — britain is watching. good afternoon. if— britain is watching. good afternoon. if you just joined me, where have you been ? this is me, where have you been? this is gb online and on gb news on tv online and on digital radio. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua . now, lots of you being getting in touch with your views . what in touch with your views. what were we discussing earlier? well were we discussing earlier? well we were talking about what were were we discussing earlier? well we talking lking about what were were we discussing earlier? well we talking lking tearlier hat were were we discussing earlier? well we talking lking (earlier ?at were were we discussing earlier? well we talkinglking tearlier ? i'vezre we talking about earlier? i've totally i? totally forgotten. where am i? what's last got ? no, we're what's last got? no, we're talking about strikes, weren't we? sorry. martin daubney joining and also nigel joining me and also nigel nelson. so colin says, do nelson. right so colin says, do we live in a democracy ? polling we live in a democracy? polling says that we want to our says that we want to control our borders . is really is that what borders. is really is that what you're in a you're saying? do we live in a dock? is about dock? so this is about the borders boats. why

borders, the small boats. so why should notice from should we take any notice from those arguing it ? james says those arguing for it? james says when to it's when it comes to nurses, it's not the pay, it's the working conditions. yet you say that, but then they ask for a ridiculous amount. was it 17? the for 35. the doctors asked for 35. i mean, come the government mean, come on, the government wants one nurse to do two nurses jobs. agree with jobs. well, i just i agree with you. should paid you. they should be paid more. but it is about the pay. you. they should be paid more. but says, it is about the pay. you. they should be paid more. but says, it is about the pay. you. they should be paid more. but says, i do about the pay. you. they should be paid more. but says, i do not ut the pay. you. they should be paid more. but says, i do not supportay. terry says, i do not support strike think it's strike action. i think it's terrible to hold sick people to ransom. nurses left to ransom. a lot of nurses left to work testing work for private testing companies since covid well as companies since covid as well as doctors. maybe the answer is actually just to privatise the thing, in other thing, because in other countries that keep getting countries that we keep getting compared they're compared to, they're all private, . right. private, privatised. right. we're on, the we're moving on, though. the prime minister has refused to apologise for the uk's historical and historical role in slavery and colonialism, rejecting a call for pay and reparations as labour mp belle ribeiro—addy challenged rishi sunak of prime minister's questions this week calling for a commitment to reparatory justice, mr sunak said trying to unpick our history is not the right way

forward. let's welcome again to my panel then presenter and contributor martin daubney and gb news political commentator nigel nelson . i'm going to start nigel nelson. i'm going to start with you, martin, on this one, because reparations, what's your view on them? well, sunak view on them? well, rishi sunak was view on them? well, rishi sunak ooorror ro — view on them? well, rishi sunak was correct to say— view on them? well, rishi sunak was correct to say we _ . rtr" 7 well, rishi sunak was correct to say we shouldn't go down — was correct to say we shouldn't go down rhor— was correct to say we shouldn't go down that route— was correct to say we shouldn't go down that route anyway . dodi go down that route anyway. dodi who— go down that route anyway. dodi who says— go down that route anyway. dodi who says rhor— go down that route anyway. dodi who says that including the rohour— who says that including the rohour harry— who says that including the labour party mp in question shouuh-r— labour party mp in question shouldn't be— labour party mp in question shouldn't be trusted to run a church— shouldn't be trusted to run a church tombola_ shouldn't be trusted to run a church tombola ,_ shouldn't be trusted to run a church tombola , let alone the church tombola, let alone the oohoy— church tombola, let alone the oohoy . rho— church tombola, let alone the economy . the figures in question economy. the figures in question are economy. the figures in question oyo—wororhg— economy. the figures in question are eye—watering britain ooruouy— are eye—watering britain actually paid— are eye—watering britain actually paid reparations . of actually paid reparations. of ozo— actually paid reparations. of £20 million— actually paid reparations. of £20 million back in 1807. that oguoros— £20 million back in 1807. that oguoros ro— £20 million back in 1807. that equates to about— £20 million back in 1807. that equates to about £300 billion in roooy-s— equates to about £300 billion in roooy-s hooy— equates to about £300 billion in roooy-s hooy h— equates to about £300 billion in today's money. it took until zors— today's money. it took until zors ro— today's money. it took until zors ro poy— today's money. it took until 2015 to pay off— today's money. it took until 2015 to pay off that debt hooouso— 2015 to pay off that debt because that _ 2015 to pay off that debt because that money had to be horrowoo— because that money had to be horrowoo .— because that money had to be horrowoo . so— because that money had to be borrowed . so the— because that money had to be borrowed . so the basics of this borrowed. so the basics of this are borrowed. so the basics of this h— borrowed. so the basics of this h wo— borrowed. so the basics of this h wo go— borrowed. so the basics of this are if we go down— borrowed. so the basics of this are if we go down the route of paying— are if we go down the route of poyhg ro— are if we go down the route of poyhg ro hohoy— are if we go down the route of paying to money two foreign orouhrros— paying to money two foreign countries now— paying to money two foreign countries now for the for the for rho — countries now for the for the for the misdemeanours of the posh— for the misdemeanours of the posr :— for the misdemeanours of the posr , owory— for the misdemeanours of the past , every living taxpayer past, every living taxpayer who— past, every living taxpayer ohwo row— past, every living taxpayer alive lviv today has to pay the huh — alive lviv today has to pay the huh how— alive lviv today has to pay the huh how many— alive lviv today has to pay the bill. how many of— alive lviv today has to pay the bill. how many of those roopoyors— bill. how many of those taxpayers had- bill. how many of those taxpayers had any direct

involvement— taxpayers had any direct involvement in slavery at all? i wouro— involvement in slavery at all? i wouro soy— involvement in slavery at all? i wouro soy oh— involvement in slavery at all? i would say an infinitesimally shou— would say an infinitesimally small amount. _ would say an infinitesimally small amount. yet they would havo— small amount. yet they would howo ro— small amount. yet they would howo ro srurhp— small amount. yet they would have to stump up— small amount. yet they would have to stump up to people who worohr— have to stump up to people who weren't directly— have to stump up to people who weren't directly affected themselves. _ weren't directly affected themselves. when the californians- themselves. when the californians looked at this just for oo— californians looked at this just for shro— californians looked at this just for one state in— californians looked at this just for one state in america , they for one state in america, they osrhhoroo— for one state in america, they osrhhoroo h— for one state in america, they estimated it would be $800 hhhoh— estimated it would be $800 humor or— estimated it would be $800 billion for reparations . the billion for reparations. the hguros— billion for reparations. the rrguros h— billion for reparations. the figures in britain would be into the figures in britain would be into rho rrhhohs— figures in britain would be into the trillions .— figures in britain would be into the trillions . now— figures in britain would be into the trillions . now we're the trillions. now we're rrhhohs— the trillions. now we're trillions, £2— the trillions. now we're trillions, £2 trillion in debt ohoooy— trillions, £2 trillion in debt ohoooy .— trillions, £2 trillion in debt already . arnie— trillions, £2 trillion in debt already . arnie if we if we already. arnie if we if we oouhroo— already. arnie if we if we doubled our— already. arnie if we if we doubled our national debt or more, we would— doubled our national debt or more, we would head towards hyperinflation,— more, we would head towards hyperinflation, recession and we wouro— hyperinflation, recession and we would bankrupt— hyperinflation, recession and we would bankrupt the nation. it's rhohosso— would bankrupt the nation. it's rhohosso pho— would bankrupt the nation. it's madness and it— would bankrupt the nation. it's madness and it needs to stop. wrgor— madness and it needs to stop. wrgor rho:— madness and it needs to stop. wrgor rho: r— madness and it needs to stop. nigel erg, i have— madness and it needs to stop. nigel erg, i have a question for you.— nigel erg, i have a question for you. wo— nigel erg, i have a question for you. wo havo— nigel erg, i have a question for you. we have labour mps saying his— you. we have labour mps saying hrs—.— you. we have labour mps saying rhrs—. rho— you. we have labour mps saying this_. the virtue- this repeatedly. the virtue srghorrhg— this repeatedly. the virtue signalling from the backbenchers : hur— signalling from the backbenchers : hur rho— signalling from the backbenchers , but the country— signalling from the backbenchers , but the country needs to know is rho— , but the country needs to know is rho rohour— , but the country needs to know is the labour party— , but the country needs to know is the labour party serious ohour— is the labour party serious ohour gohg— is the labour party serious about going down this route? hooouso— about going down this route? hooouso h— about going down this route? because if they— about going down this route? because if they are, we need to be because if they are, we need to ho—rhoy— because if they are, we need to ho—rhoy oro- because if they are, we need to be _they are, it's- be told and if they are, it's going— be told and if they are, it's gohg—rho- be told and if they are, it's. going—the country be told and if they are, it's- going_the country. going to bankrupt the country. reph— going to bankrupt the country. vooh. ouu— going to bankrupt the country. yeah, and-not— going to bankrupt the country. yeah, and-not official- yeah, and it is not official labour policy, so labour labour party policy, so labour mps may well be calling for something like this. that's a matter for, for individual mps. it certainly isn't official

policy to go and do this. and i think like you , rishi sunak was think like you, rishi sunak was absolutely right with what he said in prime minister's questions that we shouldn't apologise guys, we shouldn't pay reparations as i think we, we should regret what happened with slavery . we should certainly slavery. we should certainly condemn it. but this was something that happened in a different age with different values and different standards . values and different standards. and if we keep going backwards and backwards as we're going to start, apologies going for henry the eighth bernie, catholics and his daughter all the way back. if we all go all the way back, worr— if we all go all the way back, wow—h- if we all go all the way back, we'll—in africa,- we'll all end up in africa, whroh— we'll all end up in africa, which _we're- we'll all end up in africa,- which _we're .from we'll all end up in africa,- which-we're.from . which is where we're all from. workho— which is where we're all from. wohhho ws— which is where we're all from. mankind was from africa. so i ooh-r— mankind was from africa. so i. ooh-r—supposoo mankind was from africa. so i- ooh-r—supposoo ro don't know who we're supposed to be asking the money for. i think it's—ridiculous,- it's absolutely ridiculous, oohuohy— actually. this whole reparations, i think it's pure hypoohsy. — reparations, i think it's pure hypocrisy. laura— reparations, i think it's pure hypocrisy. laura trevelyan had his— hypocrisy. laura trevelyan had. rhrs—wohr this whole thing where she went pooh—pho— this whole thing where she went pooh—oho-ohl back to grenada and said, oh, h-s— back to grenada and said, oh, hrs-.— back to grenada and said, oh, h-s-. rhy— back to grenada and said, oh, h-s-. rry rohhy- back to grenada and said, oh, it's . my family made it's terrible. my family made a rohuho.— fortune. look at me. i'm so woohhy— fortune. look at me. i'm so woohhy .— fortune. look at me. i'm so woohhy . hur— fortune. look at me. i'm so wealthy . but you it's wealthy. but you guys, it's owrur— wealthy. but you guys, it's owrur-o- wealthy. but you guys, it's awful-a lot- wealthy. but you guys, it's awful-a lot of. wealthy. but you guys, it'si awful-a lot of you wealthy. but you guys, it's- awful-a lot of you are awful that now a lot of you are rhpowohshoo.— awful that now a lot of you are impoverished. we're going to sup— impoverished. we're going to club together— impoverished. we're going to club together you 100 club together and give you 100 groho. —rhhurol club together and give you 100 graph—hrhuro -i grand. oh, hang on a minute. rhrs— grand. oh, hang on a minute. rhrs rs— grand. oh, hang on a minute. his is who— grand. oh, hang on a minute. this is like over— grand. oh, hang on a minute. this is like over 100,000 poopho— this is like over 100,000- poopho—rhoh people. if there is more than rhor. — people. if there is more than that. _private. that. but she's a private

citizen. , she wouldn't that. but she's a private citizen her , she wouldn't that. but she's a private citizen her , son wouldn't that. but she's a private citizen her , son that. in't that. but she's a private citizen her , son that. that's spend her money on that. that's her business. no, this her business. no, but this is taxpayers on, on, taxpayers hold on, hold on, hold on, the principle on, hold on. it's the principle of h.— on, hold on. it's the principle or who— on, hold on. it's the principle of it.-the principle- of it. it's the principle of it. who— of it. it's the principle of it. who-rurhs- of it. it's the principle of it. and _turns _the and then it turns out that the guardian— and then it turns out that the. ouororoh—rhrs guardian who actually wrote this rhhg—owh-rol thing in had their own links to show— thing in had their own links to showory .— thing in had their own links to slavery .-actually,- thing in had their own links to slavery . actually, whilst thing in had their own links to slaveiat actually, whilst thing in had their own links to slaveiat it, actually, whilst thing in had their own links to slaveiat it, my ctually, whilst thing in had their own links to slaveiat it, my iphone,whilst thing in had their own links to slaveiat it, my iphone, yourt we're at it, my iphone, your phone,— we're at it, my iphone, your rrhoho: rhrs— we're at it, my iphone, your iphone, this dress, everything hos— iphone, this dress, everything has o— iphone, this dress, everything has o hhh— iphone, this dress, everything has a link to— iphone, this dress, everything has a link to slavery. it is has a link to slavery. so it is an has a link to slavery. so it is oh ohsoruro— has a link to slavery. so it is an absolute nonsense. any any part— an absolute nonsense. any any poh or— an absolute nonsense. any any poh of h:— an absolute nonsense. any any porr of h, ohy— an absolute nonsense. any any part of it, any considering of paying— part of it, any considering of poyhg so— part of it, any considering of paying some ghost or somebody somewhere who— paying some ghost or somebody somewhere who died as a result of somewhere who died as a result or show— somewhere who died as a result or showory rs— somewhere who died as a result of slavery is pointless because we of slavery is pointless because wo oh— of slavery is pointless because we are all partaking in it now. vooh— we are all partaking in it now. vooh hur— we are all partaking in it now. vooh hur r— we are all partaking in it now. yeah, but i do— we are all partaking in it now. yeah, but i do think politically we yeah, but i do think politically wo-ororrry— yeah, but i do think politically wo-ororrry. — yeah, but i do think politically we-clarity . rishi- yeah, but i do think politically we clarity . ? we need clarity. rishi sunak gave clarity . we need clarity. rishi sunak gave clarity. no, we need clarity. rishi sunak gave clarity . no, we're not gave us clarity. no, we're not going route. there going down this route. but there are so labour mps are so many labour party mps rattling the sabre on this topic. starmer on once topic. keir starmer on once again needs to get off that fence and tell the nation , no, fence and tell the nation, no, we're not going down route. we're not going down this route. but us what but he won't tell us what a woman is. we don't know where he stands brexit. sit stands on brexit. you can't sit on forever. i think we on the fence forever. i think we do know. — on the fence forever. i think we do know-lrhooh— on the fence forever. i think we do know.imean ,_ on the fence forever. i think we do know.imean , he- on the fence forever. i think we do know.imean , he does- r’jr" ”rtrtrt ”rtrtrrtr i think we do know. mean , he does know rtr“ �*"rt;“rtr:i ”rtrtrrtt i think we do know. mean , he does know we do know. i mean, he does know we sroho— do know. i mean, he does know we sroho oh— do know. i mean, he does know we stand on brexit.— do know. i mean, he does know we stand on brexit. oh,— do know. i mean, he does know we stand on brexit. oh, really? wou— stand on brexit. oh, really? woh whoro— stand on brexit. oh, really? well where does he stand? hoopuso-ho- well where does he stand? i because. _he wanted well where does he stand? i because.-he wanted to because. because he wanted to ask come for ask to come back for three years. will now best years. we will now make the best of brexit is not. of brexit. that brexit is not. proof— of brexit. that brexit is not. proof rs— of brexit. that brexit is not.

brexit is irreversible- fitttx e that brexit is not. brexit is irreversible . well, brexit is irreversible. well, oro— brexit is irreversible. well, and ho-s— brexit is irreversible. well, and he's quite— brexit is irreversible. well, and he's quite right about that . ros— and he's quite right about that . hos ho— and he's quite right about that . hos ho ws— and he's quite right about that . yes, he was a— and he's quite right about that . yes, he was a remainer. was . yes, he was a remainer. i was a--_ . yes, he was a remainer. i was o-. r— . yes, he was a remainer. i was o-. r ooh-r— . yes, he was a remainer. i was a-. i don't think- a remainer. i don't think rhoro-s— a remainer. i don't think there's-that- a remainer. i don't think there's that we a remainer. i don't think. there's-that we can a remainer. i don't think- there's-that we can go there's any way that we can go pooh— there's any way that we can go pooh-how.— there's any way that we can go back-now. would- there's any way that we can go back now. would you back on brexit now. would you wouro— back on brexit now. would you wouro you— back on brexit now. would you would you like— back on brexit now. would you would you like to— back on brexit now. would you would you like to if there was a possrhrhry— would you like to if there was a possibility that— would you like to if there was a possibility that we _ would you like to if there was a possibility that we could do rho:— possibility that we could do rhor: wouro— possibility that we could do that, would you— possibility that we could do that, would you go back? possibility that we could do thati would you go back? possibility that we could do thati wouldit ou go back? possibility that we could do thati would it ou actually ack? possibility that we could do thati wouldit ou actually be? no, i think it would actually be it no, i think it would actually be h—rho- no, i think it would actually be h—rho hrsr- it was too divisive the first who — it was too divisive the first who rouro— it was too divisive the first time round. it— it was too divisive the first time round. it would be divisive the time round. it would be divisive rho sooo— time round. it would be divisive the second time— time round. it would be divisive the second time round. the hhporrohr— the second time round. the important thing— the second time round. the important thing is to make the pos— important thing is to make the posh-h— important thing is to make the hosr-h-woro- important thing is to make the best if vote happened best of it. if the vote happened again:— best of it. if the vote happened again: r— best of it. if the vote happened ogorh r wouro— best of it. if the vote happened again, i would vote remain. but i again, i would vote remain. but r shu— again, i would vote remain. but r srru .— again, i would vote remain. but r srru . hur— again, i would vote remain. but i still . but we're— again, i would vote remain. but i still . but we're not we're not i still. but we're not we're not in i still. but we're not we're not h h.— i still. but we're not we're not h h. so— i still. but we're not we're not h h. so r— i still. but we're not we're not in in. so i can't— i still. but we're not we're not in in. so i can't vote remain oro— in in. so i can't vote remain and r— in in. so i can't vote remain and i wouldn't— in in. so i can't vote remain and i wouldn't vote to go back in and i wouldn't vote to go back h ogoh. — and i wouldn't vote to go back in again. what— and i wouldn't vote to go back in again. what about- and i wouldn't vote to go back in again. what about a vote on on membership of the european the echr? because i think that's where heading. we talked where we're heading. we talked about earlier . about small boats earlier. yeah, we're in a different we're ohwousry— yeah, we're in a different we're obviouslydifferent_ yeah, we're in a different we're obviouslydifferent there different different area there whh— different different area there whh rho— different different area there with the european court of court of with the european court of court or-hrghrs— with the european court of court or-hrghrs .— with the european court of court or-hrghrs . hos.- with the european court of court of-rights . yes. no,- with the european court of court of rights . yes. no, we of human rights. yes. no, we shouhh-r— of human rights. yes. no, we shouldn't leave— of human rights. yes. no, we shouldn't leave and this shouldn't leave it. and this oohos-ro— shouldn't leave it. and this comes to situation shouldn't leave it. and this- comes-to-situation with comes back to our situation with hhrhrgrorroh— comes back to our situation with immigration. what— comes back to our situation with immigration. what we have to do as o horror:— immigration. what we have to do as o horror: os— immigration. what we have to do as a nation, as a— immigration. what we have to do as a nation, as a as— immigration. what we have to do as a nation, as a as part of the orwhsoo— as a nation, as a as part of the civilised world,— as a nation, as a as part of the civilised world, is— as a nation, as a as part of the civilised world, is to respect international— civilised world, is to respect international law. and if international— international law. and if international law. and if international law is being woopohrzoo—

international law is being weaponized against british law, for oxohpro— weaponized against british law, for oxohpro :— weaponized against british law, for example , we— weaponized against british law, for example , we don't like this for example, we don't like this pohhouror— for example, we don't like this particular law— for example, we don't like this particular law kyiv are grouhohg— particular law kyiv are grounding flights of criminals and murderers— grounding flights of criminals and murderers about to be ooporroo— and murderers about to be ooporroo ro— and murderers about to be deported to jamaica. the labour prono— deported to jamaica. the labour diane abbott signing up to a letter preventing the deportation left wing lawyers preventing rwandan flights. this will go on and on and on. and i say to you again, nigel, it's about clarity . we need clarity about clarity. we need clarity on this. i think we're heading towards another referendum . towards another referendum. yes, labour is against rwanda pho— yes, labour is against rwanda and wow— yes, labour is against rwanda and wow uso— yes, labour is against rwanda and we'll use the— yes, labour is against rwanda and we'll use the 120 million rhor— and we'll use the 120 million rhor woo— and we'll use the 120 million that we're spending on it to runo— that we're spending on it to fund runo— that we're spending on it to fund ruho o— that we're spending on it to fund fund a new— that we're spending on it to fund fund a new unit in the wrong— fund fund a new unit in the national crime— fund fund a new unit in the national crime agency to try and roohro— national crime agency to try and roohro poopro— national crime agency to try and tackle people smugglers . yes, tackle people smugglers. yes, rh— tackle people smugglers. yes, r-rh ogohsr— tackle people smugglers. yes, i'm against the— tackle people smugglers. yes, i'm against the rwanda flights. i'm against the rwanda flights. r rhhh— i'm against the rwanda flights. r rhhh h-s— i'm against the rwanda flights. rrhhh h-s o— i'm against the rwanda flights. i think it's a i— i'm against the rwanda flights. i think it's a i don't think its— i think it's a i don't think rr-s gohg— i think it's a i don't think rr-s gohg ro— i think it's a i don't think it's going to work. i think it's a i don't think it's going to work . and it's going to work. and sooowhy— it's going to work. and secondly, it's- it's going to work. and secondly, it's the wrong thing to secondly, it's the wrong thing ho ho. — secondly, it's the wrong thing ho do. how:— secondly, it's the wrong thing ho do. how: h— secondly, it's the wrong thing to do. now, if the— secondly, it's the wrong thing to do. now, if the european oouh— to do. now, if the european oouh rurhs— to do. now, if the european court turns around and says the hing:— court turns around and says the rhhg: wo— court turns around and says the same thing, we should respect rhor— same thing, we should respect rhor rush— same thing, we should respect that just because— same thing, we should respect that just because we don't like a that just because we don't like o wou— that just because we don't like o woh :— that just because we don't like a well , because— that just because we don't like a well , because we are a that just because we don't like a well, because we are a member of rho— a well, because we are a member of the international— a well, because we are a member of the international community. rhor-s— of the international community. rhor-s whor— of the international community. that's what i'm— of the international community. that's what i'm saying. �*7 that's what i'm saying. so if who—

that's what i'm saying. so if who-aggro- that's what i'm saying. so if time-again brexit,l time and time again brexit, groundhog day re—emerging re—emerges in the lords in a echr and denying the will of the people to deport people who break the law and come here against the will of the people throwing their passports in the channel the will of the will of president putin was to invade ukraine. we don't think that rhor— ukraine. we don't think that ho ws— ukraine. we don't think that that was legal— we don't think that that was legal under international law. that's on the hash— international law. that's on the hash of— international law. that's on the basis of that. _ international law. that's on the basis of that. have- international law. that's on the basis of that. t basis of that. have we come to this from reparations? let's get back . yeah. good back to reparations. yeah. good idea. sorry we weren't oohprorory— idea. sorry we weren't completely off- idea. sorry we weren't- completely off-tangent. completely off on a tangent. it was-.— completely off on a tangent. it was. r— completely off on a tangent. it was. r was— completely off on a tangent. it was-. it was very- was fine. it was very interesting but interesting and all that. but so let's our do let's come back to our faces. do you know what it is? because we actually , think all actually, i think we all agree that a ludicrous that reparations are a ludicrous idea. just that idea. and i'm just glad that rishi has called it out. rishi sunak has called it out. but it's a keir but the problem is it's a keir starmer fence. he's starmer is so on the fence. he's got splinters. you know, starmer is so on the fence. he's got man ters. you know, starmer is so on the fence. he's got man doesn't you know, starmer is so on the fence. he's got man doesn't seem you know, starmer is so on the fence. he's got man doesn't seem t01 know, starmer is so on the fence. he's got man doesn't seem to be low, starmer is so on the fence. he's got man doesn't seem to be able the man doesn't seem to be able to then to make a decision. and then sort of goes to side sort of goes on to the side that is the popular side. once everybody's . you don't everybody's decided. you don't like it's like his decisions. no, it's not. he doesn't a decision. like his decisions. no, it's not never oesn't a decision. like his decisions. no, it's not never makes a decision. like his decisions. no, it's not never makes a a decision. like his decisions. no, it's not never makes a decision:ision. like his decisions. no, it's notnever makes a decision until. he never makes a decision until the made . he works the decision is made. he works out which the out which one is the most popular jumps on the popular and then he jumps on the bandwagon. he bandwagon. that's all he does. i'm that actually i'm not sure that actually stopping necessarily

stopping rwanda is necessarily popular. ijust stopping rwanda is necessarily popular. i just i think of popular. i just i think a lot of poopro— popular. i just i think a lot of poopro hayho— popular. i just i think a lot of people maybe not— popular. i just i think a lot of people maybe not to- i just i think a lot of people maybe not to you in the wow— people maybe not to you in the ivory-:— people maybe not to you in the wory-: hur— people maybe not to you in the wory-: hur r— people maybe not to you in the ivory-, but i think- people maybe not to you in the ivory , but i think a lot ivory towers, but i think a lot of ivory towers, but i think a lot or—puhhoi of people, the british public wouro— of people, the british public wouro-ro— of people, the british public would to something would like to see something happoh— happen and they're glad that sorhorhhg— happen and they're glad that something if something is being said. and if rarhor— something is being said. and if rather—l rather than the labour party, what are saying? what what are they saying? what are they what are they saying? what are lh

because members of the labour party ribeiro—addy party like this ribeiro—addy is calling as well. calling for reparations as well. like and they're saying that we aah-r— like and they're saying that we oar-r-h-rhar-si like and they're saying that we. can - i'm .that's what like and they're saying that we carwould i'm that's what like and they're saying that we carwould i'm�*vw�*rttt that's what like and they're saying that we carwould i'm�*vw�*rttt t's what like and they're saying that we carwould i'm�*vw�*rttt t he would say. well, he won't. coho— he would say. well, he won't. coho-whho— he would say. well, he won't. come .willie .starmer. come on, willie keir starmer ooosh-r— come on, willie keir starmer doesn't by doesn't want to be challenged by anybody— anybody who thinks anything afforohr. — anybody who thinks anything afforohr. -r— anybody who thinks anything different. i think he different. well, i think he shouro— different. well, i think he| should _think should come on to i think he shouro. —r- should come on to i think he. should. _i watched should come on to i think he. should.|time-i watched should come on to i think he should. time goes, tched should come on to i think he should. time goes, oh,d him one time and he goes, oh, i'll him one time and he goes, oh, u-u—youl i'll take a question from you, ben—and- i'll take a question from you, ben—and this- i'll take a question from you,i ben—and this one. i'll take a question from you,- ben_and this one. and ben beth rigby and this one. and we-three— ben beth rigby and this one. and we three questions, all we agreed. three questions, all from— we agreed. three questions, all from one— we agreed. three questions, all from one from _ we agreed. three questions, all from one from sky— we agreed. three questions, all from one from sky news, from from one from sky news, one from bac— from one from sky news, one from bbc .— from one from sky news, one from sac , and— from one from sky news, one from bbc , and another— from one from sky news, one from bbc , and another one from bbc, and another one from somebody— bbc, and another one from somebody but somebody else who was there. but they—wen,- they wouldn't talk to us. well, us... — they wouldn't talk to us. well, uenen .— they wouldn't talk to us. well, uenen , ne— they wouldn't talk to us. well, listen , we love— they wouldn't talk to us. well, listen , we love balance in this listen, we love balance in this nee— listen, we love balance in this nene en— listen, we love balance in this nene en en— listen, we love balance in this here on gb news.— listen, we love balance in this here on gb news. so sir keir sterner— here on gb news. so sir keir sterner-ene— here on gb news. so sir keir starmer are welcome to come here on gb news. so sir keir stéboard. are welcome to come here on gb news. so sir keir stéboard. we'dz welcome to come here on gb news. so sir keir stéboard. we'dz welcorhear come on board. we'd love to hear your policies— on board. we'd love to hear your policies because— on board. we'd love to hear your policies because you a policies because you have a potential— potential audience here who neute— potential audience here who none—in- potential audience here who- none—in-yen would be interested in what you neve— would be interested in what you neveee-— would be interested in what you neveee- long— would be interested in what you have-as long as- would be interested in what you have as long as don't have to say as long as you don't sit have to say as long as you don't see—.- have to say as long as you don't en—, nennl sit on the fence right, right. so-we_ sit on the fence right, right. se-ne-wnen- sit on the fence right, right.| so -we .whatiyou sit on the fence right, right. so at we what you sit on the fence right, right. so at home? what you sit on the fence right, right. so at home? dorat you sit on the fence right, right. so at home? do you you sit on the fence right, right. so at home? do you think think at home? do you think nee-e— think at home? do you think that's done?— think at home? do you think that's done? think he'll think at home? do you think that's on ne? think he'll think at home? do you think that's on ne? that think he'll think at home? do you think that's on ne? that ?think he'll think at home? do you think that's on ne? that ? yeah,�*|e'll think at home? do you think that's on ne? that ? yeah, wel come on after that? yeah, we enema— come on after that? yeah, we enenm—eeel come on after that? yeah, we should—see it.| should do. i'd love to see it. reign.— should do. i'd love to see it. nngnn. moving— should do. i'd love to see it. right. moving on— should do. i'd love to see it. right. moving on to the latest modernisation,— right. moving on to the latest modernisation, i— right. moving on to the latest modernisation, i asked nicely modernisation, i asked so nicely of modernisation, i asked so nicely en ene— modernisation, i asked so nicely of the coronation.— modernisation, i asked so nicely of the coronation. it's been evened— of the coronation. it's been revealed instead of the homage of ne— revealed instead of the homage en nne pene— revealed instead of the homage of the pairs where _ revealed instead of the homage of the pairs where hereditary tende— of the pairs where hereditary tonne neute— of the pairs where hereditary lords would pledge to the nenenn— lords would pledge to the monarch where they'll be, eney-u— monarch where they'll be, nney-u new— monarch where they'll be, they'll now be— monarch where they'll be, they'll now be a homage of the people— they'll now be a homage of the people-meane— they'll now be a homage of the people-means that- they'll now be a homage of the people means that we'll people which means that we'll all be asked to pledge allegiance— all be asked to pledge allegiance to- all be asked to pledge allegiance to the king loud. allegiance to the king out loud. but allegiance to the king out loud. nun-e— allegiance to the king out loud. nun-e king—

allegiance to the king out loud. nun-e king trying— allegiance to the king out loud. but a king trying to but for a king trying to modernise— but for a king trying to- modernise-family is modernise the royal family is enenine— modernise the royal family is starting-public- starting off with a public proclamation— starting off with a public proclamation in the right way fenne— proclamation in the right way forward-most- proclamation in the right way forward most young forward and with most young people— forward and with most young people apparently people already apparently against— people already apparently against having a monarchy. will this against having a monarchy. will ens-nun— against having a monarchy. will this-put people— against having a monarchy. will this put people off even this just put people off even nee— this just put people off even nneneeeee-— this just put people off even more?-see what- this just put people off even more? see what martin more? let's see what martin daubney— more? let's see what martin nannney ene— more? let's see what martin daubney and also nigel nelson ennn— daubney and also nigel nelson ennk en— daubney and also nigel nelson think of that. _ daubney and also nigel nelson think of that. i'm— daubney and also nigel nelson think of that. i'm going to enn— think of that. i'm going to seen even— think of that. i'm going to start with you,— think of that. i'm going to start with you, nigel. are you going— start with you, nigel. are you going te— start with you, nigel. are you going toipaying- start with you, nigel. are you. going tipaying-0ut going to be paying homage out tene— going to be paying homage out tent e — going to be paying homage out tent e vent.— going to be paying homage out loud ? yeah, i'm— going to be paying homage out loud ? “43?“ z loud? yeah, i'm i'm quite relaxed . i think that relaxed about this. i think that it to and i think it is a good idea to and i think that the important thing about the king, i see him more as our head of state and why it is important to have a non—political head of state. the one thing that that that the king does is give our constitution a certain stability . motty so, for instance , that . motty so, for instance, that you've got crown servants who are the armed forces, the intelligence services, coast guards , a variety of other guards, a variety of other people who are responsible for the security of the country , the security of the country, they owe their allegiance to the king not to the government of the day. it's unlikely we'd have a military coup in country a military coup in this country , but if we did , the point is , but if we did, the point is that the army would be on the

side of king. side of the king. not necessarily be some tinpot dictator who was trying to do it. that's interesting. so my allegiance to the to the king is fine. and i'm happy to proclaim it out loud . martin what about it out loud. martin what about you-7 — it out loud. martin what about you-7 so— it out loud. martin what about ten so tn— it out loud. martin what about you? so i'm pro—monarchy i get very angry about newspapers like the guardian who had their own problems with slavery, throwing everything at the moment at king charles in terms of his slave past , abolished the monarchy . past, abolished the monarchy. however, i disagree with you . i however, i disagree with you. i think king charles is political and he is political along the lines especially of climate change, which is pure politics. but but don't you think climate enenee— but but don't you think climate enenee te— but but don't you think climate change is actually— but but don't you think climate change is actually a global teenee— change is actually a global issue? whilst— change is actually a global issue? whilst you, issue? whilst i hear you, it is a issue? whilst i hear you, it is e-nnneetnen.- issue? whilst i hear you, it is a proposition. this is a global proposition. this is all a global proposition. this is net-ne— a global proposition. this is all-the world- a global proposition. this is all the world needs to all that the world needs to enn— all that the world needs to start-about- all that the world needs to - start - about-they're start looking about how they're neeune— start looking about how they're neeune-se— start looking about how they're neeune-se-nl dealing with it. so whilst it ntgnt— dealing with it. so whilst it might—e- dealing with it. so whilst it might—e n- dealing with it. so whilst it ntent—, tt tel dealing with it. so whilst it ntent—, tt te e| dealing with it. so whilst it. might_, it is a real might be political, it is a real eventu— might be political, it is a real overall overview— might be political, it is a real overall overview and if it was netttteet— overall overview and if it was netttteet, tt— overall overview and if it was political, it was— overall overview and if it was political, it was actually as ntnee— political, it was actually as ntnee et— political, it was actually as prince of wales,- political, it was actually as prince of wales, as king. prince of wales, not as king. vent.— prince of wales, not as king. vent. tut— prince of wales, not as king. vent. tut tn— prince of wales, not as king. yeah, but in fairness,- prince of wales, not as king. yeah, but in fairness, since he's he's not he's been king, he's not actually done political actually done anything political . but this is the guy who's teete— . but this is the guy who's greta thunberg_ but this is the guy who's greta thunberg in a tweed suit. nee— greta thunberg in a tweed suit.

ne-e teen— greta thunberg in a tweed suit. ne-e teen nee— greta thunberg in a tweed suit. he's been he's been campaigning. deen— he's been he's been campaigning. neee ne— he's been he's been campaigning. neee ne wee— he's been he's been campaigning. does he wear tweed— he's been he's been campaigning. does he wear tweed ? i haven't does he wear tweed? i haven't seen—change] seen him on climate change. yes, he seen him on climate change. yes, ne—eennetgntne- he does. been campaigning on it for he does. been campaigning on it ten—nee— he does. been campaigning on it ten—nee et— he does. been campaigning on it for—he's at cop26- he does. been campaigning on it for he's at cop26 on for years. and he's at cop26 on his for years. and he's at cop26 on we nnwete— for years. and he's at cop26 on we nnwete tet— for years. and he's at cop26 on his private jet paid— for years. and he's at cop26 on his private jet paid for by texnewen— his private jet paid for by texpewen teet— his private jet paid for by taxpayer, just like jeff bezos, teet— taxpayer, just like jeff bezos, twet ute— taxpayer, just like jeff bezos, twet ttte tony— taxpayer, just like jeff bezos, just like tony blair, just like all just like tony blair, just like ett tne— just like tony blair, just like ett tne teet— just like tony blair, just like all the rest of— just like tony blair, just like all the rest of them. and i tntnt— all the rest of them. and i tttntlne— all the rest of them. and i think-me, this- all the rest of them. and i think me, this this belief think for me, this this belief system — think for me, this this belief system te— think for me, this this belief eweten te e— think for me, this this belief system is a luxury belief system when— system is a luxury belief system which hammers— system is a luxury belief system which hammers and annihilates the which hammers and annihilates tne wenttng— which hammers and annihilates the working classes of the netteet, — the working classes of the hardest, who _ the working classes of the hardest, who end up paying more for hardest, who end up paying more ten—tet— hardest, who end up paying more ten—ten tnett— for their cars, for their showing,— for their cars, for their shopping, for everything, for wet— shopping, for everything, for their heating.— shopping, for everything, for their heating. and that all comes from _ their heating. and that all comes from britain's self—flagellation around net wnten— self—flagellation around net zero, which and— self—flagellation around net zero, which and the king endorses that. - zero, which and the king endorses that. and net zero is netttte. — endorses that. and net zero is netttte. tt-e— endorses that. and net zero is politic. it's pure— endorses that. and net zero is politic. it's pure politics. unten— politic. it's pure politics. tteten. .— politic. it's pure politics. listen, i that— politic. it's pure politics. listen, i that is- politic. it's pure politics. listen, i that is the- politic. it's pure politics. listen, i that is the way about going, about achieving a good a nice clean environment. the decision as to how to achieve it is the policy. and the king is not that . so not involved in that. so i respect the idea he is respect the idea that he is overseeing and looking at it. but he won't get involved in the minutia he's on the minutia as well. he's on the he's platform as joe he's on the same platform as joe biden. he's on same platform biden. he's on the same platform . we,— biden. he's on the same platform . welten-t— biden. he's on the same platform . no,idon't-world_ : he's on the same platform . no, don't world leaders . no, i don't like world leaders , ee tn— . no, i don't like world leaders , ee tn-tet— . no, i don't like world leaders , so i'm-for me- . no, i don't like world leaders , so i'm-for me ,- . no, i don't like world leaders , so i'm for me , king , so i'm afraid for me, king cnenee— , so i'm afraid for me, king cnettee te— , so i'm afraid for me, king charles is a— , so i'm afraid for me, king

charles is a political king. and tnet-e. — charles is a political king. and tnet-e. wtt— charles is a political king. and that's. will you— charles is a political king. and that's. will you be pledging etteetenee— that's. will you be pledging allegiance to— that's. will you be pledging allegiance to the whole thing ? allegiance to the whole thing? i'm allegiance to the whole thing? tn going— allegiance to the whole thing? tn getng te— allegiance to the whole thing? tn getng te tn— allegiance to the whole thing? i'm going to i'm going to watch it. i'm going to i'm going to watch ttleetne— i'm going to i'm going to watch ttleetne-tt- i'm going to i'm going to watch ttleetne-tt .- i'm going to i'm going to watch ttleetne-tt. t-ttl it. i'm going to enjoy it. i'll etee— it. i'm going to enjoy it. i'lli tetee—ttt raise a glass to him and i'll say,— raise a glass to him and i'll sew-te— raise a glass to him and i'll save-to yout- raise a glass to him and i'll say,-to you, and say, good luck to you, mate, and weeennet— say, good luck to you, mate, and weteene—eween- say, good luck to you, mate, and welcome queen. but say, good luck to you, mate, and. welcome—queen. but as welcome camilla as queen. but as far welcome camilla as queen. but as tetltettne— welcome camilla as queen. but as far.taking.knee_ welcome camilla as queen. but as far.taking.knee to- welcome camilla as queen. but as far taking knee to it's far as taking the knee to it's net— far as taking the knee to it's not cnettee— far as taking the knee to it's not charles taking the knee. tt-e— not charles taking the knee. tt-e net— not charles taking the knee. we not tet— not charles taking the knee. it's not for me.— not charles taking the knee. it's not for me. and actually, wetn— it's not for me. and actually, justin wettw— it's not for me. and actually, justin welby, the— it's not for me. and actually, justin welby, the archbishop of w0kery— justin welby, the archbishop of wetew ent— justin welby, the archbishop of wokery and forcing this puts me off wokery and forcing this puts me ett—teeewee- wokery and forcing this puts me off because actually off even more because actually the off even more because actually tne entren— off even more because actually the church now— off even more because actually the church now is— off even more because actually the church now is also the entren— the church now is also the church—change,| the church now is also the. church—change, the church of climate change, the cnwen— church of climate change, the church-lgbtq_ church of climate change, the church lgbtq issues. and church of lgbtq issues. and i tntnt— church of lgbtq issues. and i tntnt tne— church of lgbtq issues. and i think the whole— church of lgbtq issues. and i think the whole thing now is tntttet— think the whole thing now is tntttet tn— think the whole thing now is imbibed in identity politics imbibed in in identity politics ent— imbibed in in identity politics ent net— imbibed in in identity politics and net zero.— imbibed in in identity politics and net zero. and for me , it's and net zero. and for me, it's a teen— and net zero. and for me, it's a teen on. — and net zero. and for me, it's a turn off. well,— and net zero. and for me, it's a turn off. well, you— and net zero. and for me, it's a turn off. whim , turn off. well, you know what? i think you're thinking too deeply on this because for on this one because this is for me, i'm a real royalist, so i love to get love it all. i like to get involved it. be it involved in it. i'll be doing it out . and i involved in it. i'll be doing it out .and i because out loud. and if i because i'll be palace. but if be at buckingham palace. but if i had my kids me, have i had my kids with me, i'd have them and i had my kids with me, i'd have them be and i had my kids with me, i'd have them be some and i had my kids with me, i'd have them be some fun and i had my kids with me, i'd have them be some fun . and i had my kids with me, i'd have them be some fun . so and i had my kids with me, i'd have them be some fun . so totd we'd be having some fun. so to me, more and me, this is more a unity and a really lovely celebration. it's not you have to do it, but if you makes you feel you want to, it makes you feel inclusive. to do inclusive. so i'm happy to do that. i don't it that way as that. i don't see it that way as a i don't if were to a i don't if i if you were to compare the two, taking compare the two, the taking the knee, i think taking knee knee, i think taking the knee is a and it's sort of like

a fad and it's sort of like a sort of virtue signal, whereas this is just your own sort of personal feeling your your personal feeling about your your own inside feeling about the monarchy just, know , i monarchy and i just, you know, i tremendously and desperately miss queen elizabeth. you know, i really miss queen elizabeth. you know, . teettw newn— miss queen elizabeth. you know, i really mourn for— miss queen elizabeth. you know, i really mourn for her— miss queen elizabeth. you know, i really mourn for her still- (zuni? c you know, i really mourn for her still . i really mourn for her still. ant— i really mourn for her still. ant .— i really mourn for her still. ant . teet— i really mourn for her still. and i just think— i really mourn for her still. and i just think she was perhaps the and i just think she was perhaps tne teet— and i just think she was perhaps tne teet greet— and i just think she was perhaps the last great monarch of my tttettne— the last great monarch of my lifetime, although i will be town— lifetime, although i will be tewn tnene— lifetime, although i will be down there waving flags with my ttte — down there waving flags with my ttte .— down there waving flags with my ttte . wtt— down there waving flags with my kids, i will give _ down there waving flags with my kids, i will give charles a eeneen — kids, i will give charles a chance. you— kids, i will give charles a chance. /t:::tc. , ti; " kids, i will give charles a chance. you never you chance. you never know. you might happily proven chance. you never know. you might about happily proven chance. you never know. you might about theipily proven chance. you never know. you might about the nationalen chance. you never know. you might about the national anthem. wrong about the national anthem. then. do think would then. do you think that would i do? yeah. that's kind do? yeah. that's. that's kind of like their sort of version of it for isn't it? for the coronation isn't it? well, i'll still get wrong well, i'll still get it wrong etten— well, i'll still get it wrong after a couple of beers and say, net— god save the queen. i must onests— god save the queen. i must confess. yeah.— god save the queen. i must confess . yeah. no,- god save the queen. i must confess . yeah. no, i- god save the queen. f yeah. no, i quite like confess. yeah. no, i quite like all confess. yeah. no, i quite like ett ttet— confess. yeah. no, i quite like all that. listen— confess. yeah. no, i quite like all that. listen what- f yeah. no, i quite like all that. listen what are you going— all that. listen what are you going to— all that. listen what are you going to te— all that. listen what are you going to be doing at home? let all that. listen what are you goiknow. be doing at home? let all that. listen what are you goiknow. i'ddoing at home? let all that. listen what are you goiknow. i'd love| at home? let all that. listen what are you goiknow. i'd love to: home? let all that. listen what are you goiknow. i'd love to hearie? let us know. i'd love to hear what wow-e— you're going to be doing. nopetwttw— hopefully you'll also be wetentne— hopefully you'll also be watching-andl hopefully you'll also be- watching-and finding out watching gb news and finding out wnet— watching gb news and finding out wnet wee— watching gb news and finding out what we're doing. _ watching gb news and finding out what we're doing. because nigel, not meet— what we're doing. because nigel, not nigel nelson,— what we're doing. because nigel, not nigel nelson, but nigel teneee— not nigel nelson, but nigel teteee wtt— not nigel nelson, but nigel farage will be— not nigel nelson, but nigel farage will be there live bringing— farage will be there live bringing tne— farage will be there live bringing the coronation to you. ant— bringing the coronation to you. ant t-tt— bringing the coronation to you. ant tttlet— bringing the coronation to you. and i'll at buckingham bringing the coronation to you. and i'llalsot buckingham bringing the coronation to you. and i'll also doing ingham bringing the coronation to you. and i'll also doing theiam bringing the coronation to you. and i'll also doing the honours palace. also doing the honours ent— palace. also doing the honours ent wow-u— palace. also doing the honours ent wow-tt te— palace. also doing the honours and you'll be joining for my and you'll be joining me for my snow— and you'll be joining me for my show between— and you'll be joining me for my show between two— and you'll be joining me for my show between two and four. let's newe— show between two and four. let's newe-toot— show between two and four. let's newe-toot et— show between two and four. let's have _look at what- show between two and four. let's have look at what you've have a quick look at what you've teen—

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me and my panel will be taking on some big topics on some of the big topics hitting headlines now. hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's , it's theirs. and of it's mine, it's theirs. and of course, we'll be course, it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing, and at times , but no times we will disagree, but no one cancelled . so one will be cancelled. so joining me today is author and broadcaster christine hamilton and also broadcast. she's only ever a broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. before we get started , let's get your we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . hi, there latest news headlines. hi, there it is, 4:00. good— : hi, there it is, 4:00. good afternoon to wow.— it is, 4:00. good afternoon to wow. tn— it is, 4:00. good afternoon to wow. tn aeron— it is, 4:00. good afternoon to you. i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom. some breaking news in the newsroom. some breaking news in tne test— newsroom. some breaking news in tne test tew— newsroom. some breaking news in the last few minutes. the government— the last few minutes. the government is— the last few minutes. the government is planning an extra eeeton— government is planning an extra evacuation flight— government is planning an extra evacuation flight from sudan tomorrow for— evacuation flight from sudan tomorrow for british nationals tnwtne— tomorrow for british nationals tnwtne to— tomorrow for british nationals tnwtng to teete— tomorrow for british nationals trying to leave the country. it wtt— trying to leave the country. it wttt tete— trying to leave the country. it will take off— trying to leave the country. it will take off from port sudan in the will take off from port sudan in tne eest— will take off from port sudan in tne eest ot— will take off from port sudan in the east of the— will take off from port sudan in the east of the country where humanitarian— the east of the country where humanitarian aid— the east of the country where humanitarian aid has been entwne— humanitarian aid has been arriving today. _ humanitarian aid has been arriving today. meanwhile all a humanitarian— arriving today. meanwhile all a humanitarian truce in sudan has

teen— humanitarian truce in sudan has been extended— humanitarian truce in sudan has been extended .— humanitarian truce in sudan has been extended . for 72 hours from been extended. for 72 hours from women— been extended. for 72 hours from midnight tonight. _ been extended. for 72 hours from midnight tonight. that's to escorting— midnight tonight. that's to according the— midnight tonight. that's to according the rsf paramilitary group- — according the rsf paramilitary group. tne— according the rsf paramilitary group. the sudanese army has yet to eontttn — group. the sudanese army has yet to confirm that— group. the sudanese army has yet to confirm that news. it has teen— to confirm that news. it has been broken,— to confirm that news. it has been broken, though. the currency depher with airstrikes ent— currency depher with airstrikes ent ttenttne— currency depher with airstrikes ent ttenttne tn— currency depher with airstrikes and fighting in the capital ewnenttw— and fighting in the capital ewnenttw :— and fighting in the capital currently , 2122 people have been currently, 2122 people have been eweewetet— currently, 2122 people have been eweewetet .— currently, 2122 people have been eweewetet . to— currently, 2122 people have been evacuated . to the— currently, 2122 people have been evacuated . to the uk on 21 raf evacuated. to the uk on 21 raf tttetts— evacuated. to the uk on 21 raf tttents. atone— evacuated. to the uk on 21 raf flights. more on— evacuated. to the uk on 21 raf flights. more on that as soon as we get— flights. more on that as soon as we get tt— flights. more on that as soon as we get tt newe— flights. more on that as soon as we get it here at— flights. more on that as soon as we get it here at gb news. now ans— we get it here at gb news. now wns nwses— we get it here at gb news. now nhs nurses across— we get it here at gb news. now nhs nurses across the country wtt— nhs nurses across the country wttt wett— nhs nurses across the country will walk out— nhs nurses across the country will walk out from 8:00 this evenne— will walk out from 8:00 this ewentne tn— will walk out from 8:00 this evening tn e— will walk out from 8:00 this evening in a 28— will walk out from 8:00 this evening in a 28 hour strike over pav— evening in a 28 hour strike over pay in— evening in a 28 hour strike over pew tn e— evening in a 28 hour strike over pew tn e tettot— evening in a 28 hour strike over pay in a ballot earlier this nontn— pay in a ballot earlier this nontn eeto— pay in a ballot earlier this month, 54% of— pay in a ballot earlier this month, 54% of rca members reject the government's— month, 54% of rca members reject the government's offer of a 5% pay— the government's offer of a 5% pew nse— the government's offer of a 5% pew non — the government's offer of a 5% pay rise from april— the government's offer of a 5% pay rise from april at great etnont— pay rise from april at great ormond street— pay rise from april at great ormond street hospital is among the organisations— ormond street hospital is among the organisations where nurses newe— the organisations where nurses newe eeteet— the organisations where nurses newe epteet to— the organisations where nurses have agreed to keep limited stett— have agreed to keep limited stett on— have agreed to keep limited staff on after— have agreed to keep limited staff on after voicing serious concerns about— staff on after voicing serious concerns about patient safety tunne— concerns about patient safety during tne— concerns about patient safety during the walkout. nhs england is during the walkout. nhs england ts wetne— during the walkout. nhs england ts urging tne— during the walkout. nhs england is urging the public to use the neettn— is urging the public to use the health service— is urging the public to use the health service wisely . it says health service wisely. it says eneteenew— health service wisely. it says emergency and— health service wisely. it says emergency and urgent care will

remain a priority— emergency and urgent care will remain a priority .— emergency and urgent care will remain a priority . the head of remain a priority. the head of etotet— remain a priority. the head of ptopet protests— remain a priority. the head of global projects at young voices uk, global projects at young voices wt. jason— global projects at young voices on teson nett— global projects at young voices uk, jason reid ,_ global projects at young voices uk, jason reid , told gb news the uk, jason reid, told gb news the stnte— uk, jason reid, told gb news the nurses strike is— uk, jason reid, told gb news the nurses strike is the— uk, jason reid, told gb news the nurses strike is the wrong thing to to. — nurses strike is the wrong thing to to. test— nurses strike is the wrong thing to do. just hate— nurses strike is the wrong thing to do. just hate to— nurses strike is the wrong thing to do. “

risk to patient safety anyway. test— risk to patient safety anyway. test ween— risk to patient safety anyway. test ween .— risk to patient safety anyway. last year, i think— risk to patient safety anyway. last year, i think last year tnene— last year, i think last year tnene wee— last year, i think last year there were 40,000 full time nurses vacancies— there were 40,000 full time nurses vacancies in england . and nurses vacancies in england. and if nurses vacancies in england. and tt w-wee— nurses vacancies in england. and tt not— nurses vacancies in england. and if we've got massive, massive gaps— if we've got massive, massive neps atte— if we've got massive, massive neps ttte tnet:— if we've got massive, massive gaps like that, i— if we've got massive, massive gaps like that, i think patient setetw— gaps like that, i think patient setetw nes— gaps like that, i think patient safety has already been at risk for safety has already been at risk totlwntte— safety has already been at risk totlwntte . — safety has already been at risk forlwhile . the— safety has already been at risk for while. 37” safety has already been at risk for while . 37” it: “ for a while. the prime minister has selfish saboteurs has criticised selfish saboteurs who forced traffic to go slow. rishi sunak told the sun on sunday he wants put a stop to sunday he wants to put a stop to those who use this tactic. ministers would like police to be able to stop slow walkers , be able to stop slow walkers, but labour says government but labour says the government is merely chasing headlines. it comes as ministers plan to push through measures to widen the legal of serious legal definition of serious disruption to enable officers to prevent activists interfering with traffic . five people, with traffic. five people, including an eight year old child, have been killed in a shooting at a home in texas. officials from the san jacinto cowntw— officials from the san jacinto county sheriff's— officials from the san jacinto county sheriff's office attended the county sheriff's office attended tne sene— county sheriff's office attended the scene after— county sheriff's office attended the scene after receiving a call etowt— the scene after receiving a call about harassment. several wetnes— about harassment. several victims had been shot by the time police arrived . the suspect time police arrived. the suspect is time police arrived. the suspect ts etnet— time police arrived. the suspect ts etnet ent— time police arrived. the suspect is armed and remains- time police arrived. the suspect is armed and remains at- c ec iii: the suspect

is armed and remains at large . is armed and remains at large. tne— is armed and remains at large. tne nnttsn— is armed and remains at large. the british army— is armed and remains at large. the british army has begun teneetsets— the british army has begun rehearsals for— the british army has begun rehearsals for the coronation of king— rehearsals for the coronation of king cnettes. — rehearsals for the coronation of king charles. : nts rehearsals for the coronation of king charles. : king charles. soldiers from all divisions of the armed forces have gathered at training areas across south london to prepare for the biggest ceremonial event of their lives. soldiers have flown home from operational dufies flown home from operational duties or training exercises from as far afield as cyprus, iraq , kenya from as far afield as cyprus, iraq, kenya and estonia to represent their regiments at the event , representatives from the event, representatives from the nation's faith community will also play an active role in the coronation for the first time in ntstonw— coronation for the first time in ntstonw :— coronation for the first time in ntstonw : wnen— coronation for the first time in history , when king— ttt“ for the first time in history , when king charles is history, when king charles is oet— history, when king charles is crowned _from - history, when king charles is crowned from jewish, crowned leaders from jewish, antw— crowned leaders from jewish, ntntw: swn— crowned leaders from jewish, hindu, sikh, muslim and buddhist ntowps— hindu, sikh, muslim and buddhist ntowps wtt— hindu, sikh, muslim and buddhist groups will deliver— hindu, sikh, muslim and buddhist groups will deliver a greeting to tne— groups will deliver a greeting to tne king- — groups will deliver a greeting to the king. in— groups will deliver a greeting to the king. in unison, the atenttsnop— to the king. in unison, the archbishop of— to the king. in unison, the archbishop of canterbury says the archbishop of canterbury says tne-wttt— archbishop of canterbury says tne-wttt te— archbishop of canterbury says the will be foremost an the service will be foremost an act the service will be foremost an eet ot— the service will be foremost an act of christian— the service will be foremost an act of christian worship , but act of christian worship, but new elements— act of christian worship, but new elements will reflect the ttwetsttw— new elements will reflect the ttwetsttw ot— new elements will reflect the diversity of modern society . and diversity of modern society. and the diversity of modern society. and tne stone— diversity of modern society. and tne stone ot— diversity of modern society. and the stone of destiny has been weteonet— the stone of destiny has been weteonet to— the stone of destiny has been welcomed to england in a special ceremony ahead— welcomed to england in a special ceremony ahead of— welcomed to england in a special ceremony ahead of the event. it tetes— ceremony ahead of the event. it tetes teet— ceremony ahead of the event. it tetes test to— ceremony ahead of the event. it dates back to the— ceremony ahead of the event. it dates back to the 12th century

ent— dates back to the 12th century entlnotnettw— dates back to the 12th century and-normally on— dates back to the 12th century and normally on display at and is normally on display at tttntwnn— and is normally on display at tttntwnn-tt— and is normally on display at edinburgh-it will- and is normally on display at edinburgh it will sit edinburgh castle. it will sit unten— edinburgh castle. it will sit enter tne— edinburgh castle. it will sit under the king's throne next week— under the king's throne next week ent— under the king's throne next week and has— under the king's throne next week and has been used in eoonetons— week and has been used in coronations for— week and has been used in coronations for nearly a tnoesent— coronations for nearly a thousand years. as this is gb wews— thousand years. as this is gb news more as— thousand years. as this is gb news more as it— thousand years. as this is gb news more as it happens. but now tet-s— news more as it happens. but now tet-s net— news more as it happens. but now tet-s net teet— news more as it happens. but now tet-s net test to— news more as it happens. but now let's get back to nana . let's get back to nana. i ooet— let's get back to nana. . good afternoon. - let's get back to nana.| - good afternoon. it's let's get back to nana. good afternoon. it's fast approaching. six minutes after good afternoon. it's fast approtyou're six minutes after good afternoon. it's fast approtyou're with �*ninutes after good afternoon. it's fast approtyou're with me. tes after good afternoon. it's fast approtyou're with me. i'm after good afternoon. it's fast approtyou're with me. i'm nana 4:00. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is a gb news on tv onune akua. this is a gb news on tv online and on digital radio . now online and on digital radio. now listen. underneath this is a big fat black mama waiting to get out. the only reason she hasn't is willpower. but now, where there is no will, there's a way. a fat jab. a little while ago , i a fat jab. a little while ago, i wrote about how being fat is your own fault . and let's face your own fault. and let's face it, cases it is. it, in nearly all cases it is. people are too busy stuffing food in their even when food in their gobs, even when given a diagnosis of self inflicted diabetes . type two to

inflicted diabetes. type two to make the to change make the effort to change their lifestyle and put in the work required a healthy required to maintain a healthy body used to be body weight, i used to be a trainer and one client couldn't work why so work out why she was so overweight. she claimed that alongside her three healthy meals, drank tea . so meals, she only drank tea. so i made her write down everything meals, she only drank tea. so i made he ate 'ite down everything meals, she only drank tea. so i made he ate for down everything meals, she only drank tea. so i made he ate for a)wn everything meals, she only drank tea. so i made he ate for a week. erything meals, she only drank tea. so i made heate for a week. andiing meals, she only drank tea. so i made he ate for a week. and itg that she ate for a week. and it was out that was only when i pointed out that in her eight in each one of her eight daily cups, was actually putting cups, she was actually putting seven teaspoons of sugar in that. the problem became clear . that. the problem became clear. but for those of that can't but for those of us that can't be bothered, you'll be pleased to that a revolution is to know that a revolution is underway form of drugs, underway in the form of drugs, drugs that can get rid of the fat . drugs that can get rid of fat. drugs that can get rid of the fat and save money from the complications and the strain on the nhs purse strings that come with being obese rather than relying solely on diet, exercise and willpower to reduce fat. these new drugs target digestive and chemical pathways that underline obesity , surpassing underline obesity, surpassing suppressing appetite and

stopping cravings. basically albie the body goes into starvation mode, storing fat and slowing down metabolism . when slowing down metabolism. when you go on a diet and dr. louis aronne, director of the comprehend of weight control centre at weill cornell medicine, said this about it. there are a number of hormones that respond to reduced calorie intake. the obesity medications help overcome a biological mechanism that kicks in when people diet , triggering people diet, triggering a coordinated effort by the body to prevent weight loss . now, to prevent weight loss. now, apparently with diet and exercise alone, research shows that about a third of people will lose 5% or more of their body weight . but with these body weight. but with these drugs, this is a considerably more. in trials, one brand showed up to 15% of body weight lost in just 16 months. dr. amy rothberg at the university of michigan said this they have entirely changed the landscape . entirely changed the landscape. what is this drug called? i hear you cry. i can feel you shouting at me through the screen . i can at me through the screen. i can feel danny's eyes peering at me

like lasers . now, listen, i'm like lasers. now, listen, i'm all for medical interventions when all else has failed. but these new drugs may well have a list of complications of their own. lead to even fatter own. and lead to even fatter and lazier still, they lazier people. worse still, they are now approving prescribing these things to children as young really? about young as 12. really? how about teaching the kids how to eat healthier rather than medicate them at such age ? erg them at such a young age? erg presumably like any good diet , presumably like any good diet, once you come these once you come off these drugs, you on the pounds. well, you pile on the pounds. well, it's not easy for those of us that slim , but the truth is that are slim, but the truth is we hard to keep we work extremely hard to keep a good in what we eat good weight, both in what we eat and we so i kind of and what we do. so i kind of feel a bit at these feel a bit at odds with these new slimming drugs that will feel a bit at odds with these new sonto ing drugs that will feel a bit at odds with these new sonto the drugs that will feel a bit at odds with these new sonto the marketiat will feel a bit at odds with these new sonto the market beingl come onto the market being a healthy weight is about mindset and conditioning , which i do and conditioning, which i do believe, which i don't believe can be bypassed in the long term. whilst i applaud the term. and whilst i applaud the ingentu term. and whilst i applaud the ingenuity of modern medicine, nothing without side nothing comes without side effects to me. sound effects to me. they sound a little bit too good to be true. time will tell. but the question is would you take a jab to the flab . i'm

is would you take a jab to the flab. i'm back again. oh is would you take a jab to the flab . i'm back again. oh well is would you take a jab to the flab. i'm back again. oh well, that was going to have a nice little drink right now before we get debate. little drink right now before we get what debate. little drink right now before we get what ccoming up here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate . asking, debate this hour. i'm asking, should allegiance to should you swear allegiance to the king, the archbishop of canterbury has on canterbury has called on the pubuc canterbury has called on the public allegiance to public to pledge allegiance to the saturday's much the king during saturday's much anticipated coronation but is this the right way forward for a king who wants to modernise the monarchy ? then at 450, it's monarchy? then at 450, it's worldview . i'll be joined by worldview. i'll be joined by political commentator danny armstrong and the of armstrong and the host of the politics , paul politics people podcast, paul duddridge, to discuss the top stories around the globe. stories from around the globe. on , us president joe on the menu, us president joe biden wife to the biden will send his wife to the king's coronation his place king's coronation in his place after declining invitation after declining his invitation a few weeks ago. then stay tuned at 5:00 in this week's outside, i'll be speaking to a transgender man who regrets his decision to change sex at age of 42. we spoke to scott nugent, who was there in the states. he's to the uk speak he's come to the uk to speak to us . see, scott nugent us personally. see, scott nugent has suffered numerous has suffered from numerous medical complications since his transition and has advocated against it. he'll be here live

in the studio to give us his story . you will not want to miss story. you will not want to miss that. that's coming up in the next tell you next hour. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at . gb news. all right. let's get started . let's welcome again to started. let's welcome again to my panel joining me today, author and broadcaster christine hamilton and also journalist and broadcaster danny kelly. right. so, you know , i'm going to come so, you know, i'm going to come to you first. danny danny, you do take jab to fight the do take the jab to fight the flab. now, now, know why flab. now, now, now, i know why woee— flab. now, now, now, i know why woe wettest— flab. now, now, now, i know why you've waited till— now, now, now, i know why you've waited till sunday for tnts— you've waited till sunday for we. — you've waited till sunday for we. we— you've waited till sunday for this_. it's-goingl this story. it's been going around the last couple of around for the last couple of days. yeah, around for the last couple of days . yeah, i think i would. around for the last couple of days. yeah, i think i would. i'd atte— days. yeah, i think i would. i'd ttte to— days. yeah, i think i would. i'd ttte to .— days. yeah, i think i would. i'd ttte to . tt-s— days. yeah, i think i would. i'd ttte to . tt-s e— : yeah, i think i would. i'd like to . it's a shortcut. now we like to. it's a shortcut. now we nte— like to. it's a shortcut. now we ttte woe— like to. it's a shortcut. now we ttte woe es— like to. it's a shortcut. now we ttte woe es woe— like to. it's a shortcut. now we like you as you are. �*vw�*tt; like you as you are. we love woe.— like you as you are. we love you-would. you- like you as you are. we love. you-would. you would you. but you would. you would like me.-personality- you. but you would. you would like me.-personality. i you. but you would. you wouldi like me.-personality. i like me. it's my personality. i nope— like me. it's my personality. i nope-tether- like me. it's my personality. i nope-nettet-nnwi hope you like rather than my excess . but that's all part hope you like rather than my excetnow. but that's all part hope you like rather than my excetnow. butloves; all part hope you like rather than my excetnow. but loves havingrt hope you like rather than my excetnow. but loves having a of it now. she loves having a being able have you. being able to have a go at you. that's. what would have? being able to have a go at you. that's. she at would have? being able to have a go at you. that's. she go vould have? being able to have a go at you. that's. she go ,iuld have? being able to have a go at you. that's. she go , what have? being able to have a go at you. that's. she go , what amiave? being able to have a go at you. that's. she go , what am ive? that's. she go , what am i going would she go, what am i going to do would she go, what am i going to to—te- would she go, what am i going to to—te teppwi do forjokes? i would be happy. i wife , danielle, my i think my wife, danielle, my wife danielle , i did discuss wife danielle, i did discuss should i have this fat jab? and

my wife, danielle is worried about the side effects. now, if you to use as case about the side effects. now, if you as to use as case about the side effects. now, if you as to ass as case about the side effects. now, if you as to ass cleared case about the side effects. now, if you as to ass cleared itase study, as long as i cleared it with missus wasn't with my missus that she wasn't worried, be more happy with my missus that she wasn't wcdoed, be more happy with my missus that she wasn't wc doed, lwas ore happy with my missus that she wasn't wc doed, [was when happy with my missus that she wasn't wcdoed, [was when i happy with my missus that she wasn't wcdoed, [was when i got ppy to do that. i was when i got married. i'm over 21 stone, but i'm six foot four. for the context people context of people who are listening radio. he's context of people who are listening radio . he's not listening on the radio. he's not short. he's tall listening on the radio. he's not short.-he's tall in- short. in fact, he's tall in test:— short. in fact, he's tall in fact, taller— short. in fact, he's tall in fact, taller for— short. in fact, he's tall in fact, taller for he's big, tall tot— fact, taller for he's big, tall to big— fact, taller for he's big, tall to on . — fact, taller for he's big, tall top on . we.— fact, taller for he's big, tall for big. kg. i'm fact, taller for he's big, tall for big. \ttt i'm fat fact, taller for he's big, tall for big . \tt:t i'm fat and for big. no, no. i'm fat and setetw— for big. no, no. i'm fat and eetttw .— for big. no, no. i'm fat and setetw . no,— for big. no, no. i'm fat and cuddly. no, i'm— for big. ante i'm fat and cuddly. no, i'm fat. for big. ante i'm fat and cuddly . no, i'm fat. �*fw�*ntcc ntt“e: cuddly. no, i'm fat. well, and tes— cuddly. no, i'm fat. well, and he's cuddly , but i'm fat. and he's cuddly, but i'm fat. and that's the big that's- he's cuddly, but i'm fat. and that's the big that's a- t:: and that's the big that's a big ntstete— that's the big that's a big mistake that— that's the big that's a big mistake that people can make tetnn— mistake that people can make tetnn owenw— mistake that people can make being overly kind to fat people like being overly kind to fat people ttte ne— being overly kind to fat people ttte test— being overly kind to fat people like me. just be— being overly kind to fat people like me. just be honest . be like me. just be honest. be nonest— like me. just be honest. be honest instead— like me. just be honest. be honest instead of saying, no, woee— honest instead of saying, no, woe test— honest instead of saying, no, woe test big— honest instead of saying, no, you're just big bones. yes, i'm tet— you're just big bones. yes, i'm ten—esl fat. there's no such thing as big— fat. there's no such thing as ttn ts — fat. there's no such thing as big bones. _are- fat. there's no such thing asj big bones. _areifat big bones. there are no fat skeletons. was five stone skeletons. i was five stone lighter boxing ring about lighter in a boxing ring about ten years ago. i used to do a bit ten years ago. i used to do a ttt ot— ten years ago. i used to do a ttt ot tonne.— ten years ago. i used to do a bit of boxing. yeah- g i used to do a bit of boxing. yeah when i got newtet— bit of boxing. yeah when i got nentet: .— bit of boxing. yeah when i got married, i was— bit of boxing. yeah when i got married, i was three stone ttnntee— married, i was three stone ttnntee ent— married, i was three stone lighter and i— married, i was three stone lighter and i can drop five stone— lighter and i can drop five stone lighter.— lighter and i can drop five stone lighter. when you were boxing— stone lighter. when you were boxing e— stone lighter. when you were boxing eves— stone lighter. when you were boxing ? yes, because you will boxing? yes, because you will newe— boxing? yes, because you will teee—tet— boxing? yes, because you will have _fat into - boxing? yes, because you will. have _fat into muscle, have translated fat into muscle, wnen— have translated fat into muscle, wnten ts— have translated fat into muscle, which is heavier. _ have translated fat into muscle, which is heavier. so that's a lot which is heavier. so that's a tot ot— which is heavier. so that's a lot of weight loss. so i'm five stone, basically.— lot of weight loss. so i'm five stone, basically. yeah.- g“c so i'm five stone, basically. yeah. but i've etwews— stone, basically. yeah. but i've etwews-t-we— stone, basically. yeah. but i've always-i've always- stone, basically. yeah. but i've always i've always yoed always been i've always yo yoed wttn— always been i've always yo yoed wttn nw— always been i've always yo yoed wttn nw weight— always been i've always yo yoed with my weight, always muscle toss. —

with my weight, always muscle toss. -.— with my weight, always muscle toss. -. ttt- with my weight, always muscle loss. -. it's always. i loss. christine. it's always. anyway which loss. christine. it's always. anyway-which of- loss. christine. it's always. anyway-which of youi loss. christine. it's always. . anyway-which of you two anyway listen, which of you two wents— anyway listen, which of you two wents tne — anyway listen, which of you two wants the - hook _ anyway listen, which of you two wants the hook oh, wants the right hook first? oh, no : twe— wants the right hook first? oh, no : t-we stttt— wants the right hook first? oh, no , i've still got— wants the right hook first? oh, no , i've still got it. i've no, i've still got it. i've stttt— no, i've still got it. i've sne-tt— no, i've still got it. i've still-it. yeah.- no, i've still got it. i've still it. yeah. so. so i still got it. yeah. so. so i newe— still got it. yeah. so. so i newe. vo— still got it. yeah. so. so i newe. wo wo. — still got it. yeah. so. so i have. yo yo. '“e: still got it. yeah. so. so i have. yo yo. ' “e: still got it. yeah. so. so i have. yo yo. ' e: still got it. yeah. so. so i have. yo yo. ' “e: still got it. yeah. so. so i- have. yo yo. and i'm all for one for medical shortcuts. i really am. if there's a cheat- t“et:e: eta t i really am. if there's a cheat way t“et:e: eff; f i really am. if there's a cheat way to tose— am. if there's a cheat way to tose wetntt— am. if there's a cheat way to lose weight, i'm— am. if there's a cheat way to lose weight, i'm up for it. teettw— lose weight, i'm up for it. teettw wett— lose weight, i'm up for it. really well, why not? /etec ” t“ really well, why not? your skin won-t— really well, why not? your skin won-t eeton — really well, why not? your skin won't catch up, and you'll be like, sort of like, turkeys . like, sort of like, no turkeys. i think excess skin i don't think i have excess skin . tn— i don't think i have excess skin . tn not.— i don't think i have excess skin . i'm not, like— i don't think i have excess skin . i'm not, like 58— i don't think i have excess skin . c 38 you . i'm not, like 58 stone. you need picker to . i'm not, like 58 stone. you need-picker to get. . i'm not, like 58 stone. you. need-picker to get me . i'm not, like 58 stone. you. nee of-picker to get me . c 38 you nee of bed. picker to get me . c 33 you nee of bed. pickeyeetec. get me . i'm not, like 58 stone. you nee of bed. pickeyou getitie out of bed. but if you do it slowly then get slowly, then you don't get the excess your body excess skin because your body has catch has a time to tighten and catch up. that might be too quick for you. you're wiser to do it you. so you're wiser to do it slowly. know. i you. so you're wiser to do it slowly. know . i go back slowly. i don't know. i go back to i don't to my earlier point. i don't tttnt— to my earlier point. i don't tttnt tn— to my earlier point. i don't think i'm overly fat, like think i'm overly that fat, like a cherry picker sized guy when, you know, when they lose a hell of of and they've you know, when they lose a hell of got of and they've you know, when they lose a hell of got of turkey nd they've you know, when they lose a hell of got of turkey nd th asve just got like turkey skin, as you . so i disagree with you said. so i disagree with you on-newte— you said. so i disagree with you on-newte wett- you said. so i disagree with you on-maybe we'll find. on that. but maybe we'll find oet— on that. but maybe we'll find out-discover— on that. but maybe we'll find out-discover that- on that. but maybe we'll find out discover that you can out if we discover that you can etwews— out if we discover that you can etwews newe— out if we discover that you can always have operation tuck always have an operation to tuck _ewet— always have an operation to tuck .-went.-tn- . do you want. i'm not. i'm pteeset— . do you want. i'm not. i'm pteesetltne— . do you want. i'm not. i'm pleased the benefit of those pleased for the benefit of those ttstentnn—not- pleased for the benefit of those listening—not 68| listening on radio. i am not 68 stone— listening on radio. i am not 68 stone .— listening on radio. i am not 68 stone . neen— listening on radio. i am not 68 stone. i mean, you're making me out stone. i mean, you're making me oetlte— stone. i mean, you're making me oetlte atte— stone. i mean, you're making me out-be like-of— out to be like one of the wont-s— out to be like one of the. woett-s—nen out to be like one of the- world's_men . world's largest, fattest men. n..— world's largest, fattest men. we. no— world's largest, fattest men. no, no, no. we're— world's largest, fattest men. no, no, no. we're-saying. world's largest, fattest men. no, nyou'rewe're-sayingl world's largest, fattest men. ante t/etec ”ti; f no,“g world's largest, fattest men. ante t/etec ”ti; f no, but that. you're certainly. no, but the excess skin— that. you're certainly. no, but

the excess skin thing- that. you're certainly. no, but the excess skin thing .- /etec f no, but the excess skin thing . erg. the excess skin thing. erg. teeese— the excess skin thing. erg. teeese .— the excess skin thing. erg. because i wouldn't. i- the excess skin thing. erg. f : t“ c i don't because i wouldn't. i don't think i was. because i wouldn't. i don't think-i was. i- because i wouldn't. i don't think-i was. i wasi because i wouldn't. i don't. think-i was. i was fat think because i was. i was fat tetoee—.- think because i was. i was fat tetoee—. ttt- before i lost weight. did tonne.— before i lost weight. did boxing- twe— before i lost weight. did boxing. i've been fat before . boxing. i've been fat before. twe— boxing. i've been fat before. he teen— boxing. i've been fat before. i've been over— boxing. i've been fat before. i've been over 20 stone before ent—eeess - i've been over 20 stone before ent—eeess tl i've been over 20 stone before. and—excess. i don't and i don't have excess. i don't tttnt— and i don't have excess. i don't think looking at you as it think you looking at you as it were. i have seen you were. not that i have seen you without but without your clothes on, but looking at i seriously, looking at you, i seriously, seriously , i don't nana will get seriously, i don't nana will get jealous you're on thin ice. jealous now you're on thin ice. hardly. are. well, you hardly. you are. well, you better not be. you go straight through . oh stop it. you look, through. on stop it. you look, i think that's great. danny has put think that's great. danny has pet ntnsett— think that's great. danny has put himself forward. - g danny has put himself forward. : put himself forward. so anybody out there— put himself forward. so anybody out there who's got this jab here is a willing guinea pig. what you have to say, big . what you have to say, big. ttnnttw— what you have to say, big. ttnnttw. woe— what you have to say, big. diggity. you can't win, can you? tet— diggity. you can't win, can you? net .— diggity. you can't win, can you? net . to— diggity. you can't win, can you? net . to not— diggity. you can't win, can you? but i do not like— diggity. you can't win, can you? but i do not like the— diggity. you can't win, can you? but i do not like the idea- diggity. you can't win, can you? but i do not like the idea to- diggity. you can't win, can you? but i do not like the idea to go back to where we started of children having this jab. i really don't have any more than children should have had the covid don't know the covid jab. we don't know the full implications and i think it would be quite wrong for children have it. but do children to have it. but we do have . um, i mean, have a mega problem. um, i mean, in 1950, 1% of us, 1% of us were

obese. you know what that is, tnoenn— obese. you know what that is, tnoenn e— obese. you know what that is, tnoenn e to— obese. you know what that is, tnoenn e to woe— you know what that is, though ? do you know what that is though? do you know what that is 7 though? do you know what that is a wet— though? do you know what that is a wet. wee.— though? do you know what that is e wett. wes. tet— though? do you know what that is ? well, yes, but. well,- though? do you know what that is ? well, yes, but. well, it- though? do you know what that is ? �*fw�*ntcc �*fw�*ntcc c though? do you know what that is it was war. people had had rationing . they hadn't had so rationing. they hadn't had so much to eat. they didn't have all much to eat. they didn't have ett—toot. - much to eat. they didn't have ett—toot. wo- all these junk food. no processed— all these junk food. no. processed _to all these junk food. no- processed _to cook processed people used to cook from , my mother from fresh. i mean, my mother cooked from fresh every single day, every meal . there day, every single meal. there was no well, there was birds, custard , if you count custard powder, if you count that. no that. but i mean, there were no there takeaways. there there were no takeaways. there were . no, no, were no no microwaves. no, no, nothing— were no no microwaves. no, no, nothing like that. nowadays nothing like that. and nowadays people much of people's people far too much of people's diet is this processed stuff . diet is this processed stuff. it's apparently something called sad , which the standard sad, which is the standard american diet. and we have got it them. and if you look it from them. and if you look over america , they have over over to america, they have got people than got far more obese people than we have. coming over we have. and it's coming over here. and people just don't think . it's think what they eat. it's crisps, chips, it's crisps, it's chips, it's burgers, it's cheap. well, there was a fabulous— burgers, it's cheap. well, there was a fabulous. _ burgers, it's cheap. well, there was a fabulous. and- burgers, it's cheap. well, there was a fabulous. and it- burgers, it's cheap. well, there was a fabulous. and it doesn't fill you up. it doesn't keep you going. so no wonder people are getting i'll you what going. so no wonder people are getting me i'll you what going. so no wonder people are getting me isll you what going. so no wonder people are getting me is , you what going. so no wonder people are getting me is , is you what going. so no wonder people are getting me is , is i you what going. so no wonder people are getting me is , is i thinkivhat going. so no wonder people are getting me is , is i think it'st worries me is, is i think it's 85, but i stand corrected. if anybody knows that the exact figure, 85% of fat children have fat parents. so in other words,

they learn literally as when their toddlers. well, i think parents feed them the wrong. to me, it's almost almost like a ton— me, it's almost almost like a torn ot— me, it's almost almost like a form of child— me, it's almost almost like a form of child abuse in a sense , form of child abuse in a sense, teese— form of child abuse in a sense, teese woe— form of child abuse in a sense, teese woe ee— form of child abuse in a sense, because you are it— form of child abuse in a sense, because you are it is giving tnese— because you are it is giving these children— because you are it is giving these children very bad food, ntwnn— these children very bad food, ntwnn-wenw— these children very bad food, ntwnn-wenw tet- these children very bad food, giving very bad dietary giving them very bad dietary son— giving them very bad dietary sonlnettts— giving them very bad dietary soetlnettts .— giving them very bad dietary sort-habits . and- giving them very bad dietary sort habits . and then sort of habits. and then unfortunately, they will become fat unfortunately, they will become tet ent — unfortunately, they will become tet ent tnen — unfortunately, they will become fat and then they— unfortunately, they will become fat and then they become a tween— fat and then they become a teeten on— fat and then they become a burden on the— fat and then they become a burden on the nhs because it costs— burden on the nhs because it costs e— burden on the nhs because it costs a fortune— burden on the nhs because it costs a fortune and then they teoe— costs a fortune and then they teeone-.— costs a fortune and then they become-. and- costs a fortune and then they become-. and i- costs a fortune and then they become . and i think it's become sick. and i think it's tnpoetent— become sick. and i think it's important parents, important that the parents, peeents— important that the parents, parents understand that they neet— parents understand that they neetltt-s— parents understand that they need-it's awful- parents understand that they need it's awful parenting. need to. it's awful parenting. ttt— need to. it's awful parenting. tt-s—petenttnnl need to. it's awful parenting. i tt-s—petenttnn . it's terrible, awful parenting. and you though, would youd say and you though, would you say tnet— and you though, would you say tnet to— and you though, would you say tnet to woee— and you though, would you say that to your parents? mean, that to your parents? i mean, tnew— that to your parents? i mean, tnew ee— that to your parents? i mean, tnew tnew— that to your parents? i mean, they are they are— that to your parents? i mean, they are they are they your peeents—no l they are they are they youri petents—no e they are they are they your- parents_no ? no, parents overweight or no? no, tnew— parents overweight or no? no, ttewtet— parents overweight or no? no, ttewtet twe— parents overweight or no? no, theybut i've never— parents overweight or no? no, theybut i've never been as fat but but i've never been as fat as the sort of portrayals as we're described when you come to children. i think it is bad parenting. and i think . but parenting. and i think. but there'll be there'll parents there'll be there'll be parents listening to and us listening to us and watching us right overweight kids right now with overweight kids and desperately , and they'll feel desperately, yeah, they'll be desperate. they'll be at their wits end about kid. and about how to help that kid. and also, think it, also, if you think about it, just just just christine, just for a second. look, i'm a middle second. look, look, i'm a middle aged fat man if i'm not aged fat man now. if i'm not going to do something about it

myself, you can't really. myself, then you can't really. i can't really blame parents and call them bad parents when they're overweight. i'm overweight. we're all on that same side of it. i also need to toot— same side of it. i also need to look-manufacturer- same side of it. i also need to look-manufacturer as. look at the manufacturer as wet.— look at the manufacturer as wet-tn— look at the manufacturer as well.-i'm-saying. well. and i'm not saying- because,_can't because, you know, you can't tone—toot- because, you know, you can'ti toeee—tootlwoe because, you know, you can'ti forc

other day, i can't remember whose called steve whose programme called steve miller. know steve miller. now i know steve steve miller. now i know steve steve miller , he's later. on miller, he's on later. is he on later? steve miller is later? well steve miller is great has really down great and he he has really down to earth, sensible advice to people. and he's a no nonsense . people. and he's a no nonsense. he doesn't doesn't his he doesn't he doesn't pull his punches and his phrase that he came stuck in came outwith, which stuck in was over platter. and was it's mind over platter. and you should i, i do agree our plates are twice the size. we've got a massive plates . but we've got a massive plates. but peopte-s— we've got a massive plates. but peopte-s ttnnet— we've got a massive plates. but people's dinner plates used to be sort of that size. yeah. but out here now but i've seen people that people with small plates that fill small plates. people with small plates that fihave small plates. people with small plates that fihave my small plates. people with small plates that fihave my plates small plates. people with small plates that fihave my plates are ll plates. people with small plates that fihave my plates are the .ates. people with small plates that fihave my plates are the biggest i have my plates are the biggest ptetes— i have my plates are the biggest tetes—seen.- i have my plates are the biggest ptetes—seen. t- i have my plates are the biggest plates—seen. i can'ti plates you've ever seen. i can't even—ptete- plates you've ever seen. i can't| even—plate that plates you've ever seen. i can't| eeat_plate that plates you've ever seen. i can't eeat from plate that plates you've ever seen. i can't eeat from now. plate that plates you've ever seen. i can't eeat from now. and plate that plates you've ever seen. i can't eeat from now. and i'mite that plates you've ever seen. i can't eeat from now. and i'mite tfat i eat from now. and i'm not fat . n..— i eat from now. and i'm not fat . we. tet— i eat from now. and i'm not fat . no, but nana,— i eat from now. and i'm not fat . no, but nana, you- i eat from now. and i'm not fat . no, but nana, you eat- i eat from now. and i'm not fat . no, but nana, you eat. i suspect that you would have to eat things you nana and i a great swimmers . i go eat things you nana and i a great swimmers. i go swimming. we great swimmers. i go swimming. we no— great swimmers. i go swimming. we go swtnntnn— great swimmers. i go swimming. we go swimming. not— gtntf; i go swimming. we go swimming. not in the same poot— we go swimming. not in the same poot tetoee— we go swimming. not in the same poot tetoee tne— we go swimming. not in the same pool before the rumours start. tet— pool before the rumours start. tet .— pool before the rumours start. tet . to— pool before the rumours start. but i do think— pool before the rumours start. but i do think this— pool before the rumours start. but i do think this is- pool before the rumours start. but i do think this is a- pool before the rumours start. but i do think this is a fallacy that some people fall into . they that some people fall into. they think that, i run think that, oh, if i just run for the bus, that'll get rid of the it won't. what the mars bar. no it won't. what what what you put in, what counts is what you put in, not what out. know , not what you put out. you know, i overweight woman

i saw a really overweight woman in the fast lane at the warwickshire golf club. golf and country club. and— warwickshire golf club. golf and country club. and i— warwickshire golf club. golf and country club. and i can't- country club. and i can't tettewe— country club. and i can't believe she— country club. and i can't believe she just mean in the swtnntnn— believe she just mean in the swimming lane. _ believe she just mean in the swimming lane. ant:ec “ believe she just mean in the swimming lane. aet:ec “ swimming lane. not in the lane. sonw. — swimming lane. not in the lane. sonw. wo— swimming lane. not in the lane. sonw. wo — swimming lane. not in the lane. sonw. wo tn— swimming lane. not in the lane. sorry. no no. in the— swimming lane. not in the lane. sorry. no no. in the fast- swimming lane. aet:ec “ sorry. no no. in the fast lane of sorry. no no. in the fast lane ot—nott- sorry. no no. in the fast lane ot—nott .- sorry. no no. in the fast lane ot—nott . sol sorry. no no. in the fast lane- of_golf . so they've of the swimming golf. so they've got of the swimming golf. so they've not-ent— of the swimming golf. so they've not-ent-tnew-we- got a pool and then they've got the got a pool and then they've got tne—tnew-wel got a pool and then they've goti tne—tnew-we got. got a pool and then they've goti the|i_they've got. got a pool and then they've got the i you they've got. got a pool and then they've got the i you shei've got. and i tell you what, she was tene— and i tell you what, she was nene :— and i tell you what, she was huge , humongous. think as and i tell you what, she was hutoldeerongous. think as and i tell you what, she was hutolder woman,is. think as and i tell you what, she was hutolder woman, buthink as and i tell you what, she was hutolder woman, but even as and i tell you what, she was hutolder woman, but even bigger.s an older woman, but even bigger. ant— an older woman, but even bigger. and-relentless- an older woman, but even bigger. and-relentless .- an older woman, but even bigger. and-relentless . she- and she was relentless. she went— and she was relentless. she went stop.— and she was relentless. she didn't stop. and— and she was relentless. she didn't stop. and i thought, wow, wnet— didn't stop. and i thought, wow, wnet e— didn't stop. and i thought, wow, wnet e set— didn't stop. and i thought, wow, wnet e set-on- didn't stop. and i thought, wow, what a set-on that- what a set of lungs on that. woman._massive. what a set of lungs on that- woman._massive. and woman. but she was massive. and i woman. but she was massive. and t—wenw— woman. but she was massive. and t—wenw ttt- woman. but she was massive. and t—wenw ttt toe- i thought, you are very fit for a i thought, you are very fit for e tene— i thought, you are very fit for e huge women— i thought, you are very fit for a huge woman. yeah, but it is. ttt— a huge woman. yeah, but it is. we wnet— a huge woman. yeah, but it is. we wtet woe— a huge woman. yeah, but it is. it's what you eat— a huge woman. yeah, but it is. it's what you eat-is- it's what you eat that is the key , not what you in. key, not what you expend in. well, , it's important. no, it well, no, it's important. no, it is , but literally is a bit of both, but literally tnew— is a bit of both, but literally tnew sew— is a bit of both, but literally they say about— is a bit of both, but literally they say about 80% of it is what you— they say about 80% of it is what woe-tne— they say about 80% of it is what woe-tne peotten- they say about 80% of it is what you-the problem is- they say about 80% of it is what you the problem is that you eat. but the problem is that peopte— you eat. but the problem is that peopte-eettnn— you eat. but the problem is that peopte-eettnn e— you eat. but the problem is that people eating a lot. and people are eating a lot. and tnet— people are eating a lot. and tnet ts— people are eating a lot. and tnet ts tne— people are eating a lot. and that is the reason that people are that is the reason that people eee—ts- that is the reason that people are—it'sisimple that is the reason that people arethat. it's simple that is the reason that people arethat. there s simple that is the reason that people arethat. there is simple that is the reason that people arethat. there is i simple that is the reason that people arethat. there is i think.e as that. but there is i think tneee-s— as that. but there is i think tneee-s e— as that. but there is i think there's a duty— as that. but there is i think there's a duty care to a lot there's a duty of care to a lot of there's a duty of care to a lot ot tnese— there's a duty of care to a lot of these manufacturers who are ntwnn — of these manufacturers who are ntwnn-petttnn— of these manufacturers who are giving putting these giving these putting all these onenteets— giving these putting all these eennteene— giving these putting all these chemicaia.of_ giving these putting all these chemicaia.of it— giving these putting all these chemicaia.of it i- giving these putting all these chemicaia of it i think is because a lot of it i think is tone.— toxic. i think a lot of it's potsonos— toxic. i think a lot of it's poisonous mostly poisonous. i eat mostly fruit ent—.— poisonous. i eat mostly fruit ent—. .- poisonous. i eat mostly fruit ent—. . tw- poisonous. i eat mostly fruit ent—. . tnw to- poisonous. i eat mostly fruit and_. i try to eat poisonous. i eat mostly fruit. and_. i try to eat as and vegetables. i try to eat as ttttte— little processed stuff as possttte— little processed stuff as possttte .— little processed stuff as possible . and when i do the possible. and when i do eat the processed— possible. and when i do eat the processed-:— possible. and when i do eat the peoeesset- .— possible. and when i do eat the processed-, i start- possible. and when i do eat the processed , i start getting possible. and when i do eat the procesbad , i start getting possible. and when i do eat 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really bad heartburn. it's very tet. tt-s not— really bad heartburn. it's very bad. it's not a— really bad heartburn. it's very bad. it's not a duty of care. they— bad. it's not a duty of care. ttew newe— bad. it's not a duty of care. they havelduty_ bad. it's not a duty of care. they havelduty.profitl bad. it's not a duty of care. they havelduty.profit .i bad. it's not a duty of care. they have duty profit . but they have a duty for profit. but i went to a yesterday and i went to a party yesterday and it started at it kind it started at 4:30. it was kind of bubbles, tea, etcetera. and they spread was amazing. and i have never eaten so much ridiculous food, you know, little meringue , fruity things, little meringue, fruity things, great chunky chocolate, great big chunky chocolate, this, that and the other, and a wonderful slice. and just wonderful slice. and i just stuffed silly because stuffed myself silly because it's forbidden it's for me, it's forbidden fruit. and you're right, people work hard not to be i work work hard not to be fat. i work incredibly hard to not be bigger than i am. so in summary, how woett— than i am. so in summary, how woett woe— than i am. so in summary, how woett woe to— than i am. so in summary, how would you to feel— so in summary, how would you to feel about if i was to-tettnn— would you to feel about if i was to-tettnn tnts— would you to feel about if i was to-taking this-as- to start taking this job as tnents— to start taking this job as friends and— to start taking this job as friends and colleagues only weetent— friends and colleagues only weekend colleagues? let's be nonest— weekend colleagues? let's be honest .— weekend colleagues? let's be honest, i really like you as you are. i like danny as he is. honest, i really like you as you are. i like danny as he is . what are. i like danny as he is. what am for but am i going to do forjokes? but that's the worst thing say that's the worst thing to say to somebody i do like him the somebody i do like him is the worst that's worst thing to say. but that's all stone lighter all i know. two stone lighter you'd still yeah. yeah, all i know. two stone lighter yo coursel yeah. yeah, all i know. two stone lighter yo course . as yeah. yeah, all i know. two stone lighter yo course . as long yeah. yeah, all i know. two stone lighter yo course . as long asih. yeah, all i know. two stone lighter yo course . as long as you eah, all i know. c g f as long as you don't of course. as long as you don't go of course. as long as you don't no-sttnnw— of course. as long as you don't no-sttnnw. — of course. as long as you don't no-sttnnw. we.— of course. as long as you don't no-sttnnw. we. .- ef.ntec. as long as you don't go skinny . ante : t“ c go too skinny. no, i wouldn't go. wouldn't to go. i wouldn't go back to my boxing anyway. the boxing weight anyway. the only problem , boxing weight anyway. the only problem -, though,- boxing weight anyway. the only problem -, though, is- problem with it, though, is i tntnt— problem with it, though, is ii tntnt—tssee think that could be the issue tnet— think that could be the issue tnet woe— think that could be the issue that you could— think that could be the issue that you could find stop that you could find if you stop tettnn— that you could find if you stop taking-“tinge— that you could find if you stop taking thing, then taking this thing, then you ntnnt— taking this thing, then you. ntnnt—teet taking this thing, then you- ntnnt—teet on might find that you go back on even-wnen— might find that you go back on even _which .think. might find that you go back on even which think it even faster, which is i think it enenntnets— even faster, which is i think it undermines people's will. and

tennw-s— undermines people's will. and we oteettw— undermines people's will. and danny's clearly got— undermines people's will. and danny's clearly got a- undermines people's will. and danny's clearly got a will to lose undermines lose weight and it undermines their will if i've got a will. we you are. and, you their will if i've got a will. we you you are. and, you their will if i've got a will. we you wouldn't are. and, you their will if i've got a will. we you wouldn't are. an(know, know, you wouldn't be, you know, no, it doesn't. because oetes— sometimes if you push people, tnen— sometimes if you push people, tnenlteens— sometimes if you push people, thenlturns-other- sometimes if you push people, then turns other so then it turns the other way. so it then it turns the other way. so tt—wnet— then it turns the other way. so tt—wnet tne - then it turns the other way. so. it_what the person it just depends what the person wents—tnen- it just depends what the person wents—tnen .| wants to do is down to them. ttnnt. — wants to do is down to them. ttnnt. vote— wants to do is down to them. right. you're-me.- wants to do is down to them. right. you're me. nana wants to do is down to them. right. this re me. nana wants to do is down to them. right. this is me. nana wants to do is down to them. right.this is gb me. nana wants to do is down to them. right.this is gb news nana wants to do is down to them. right.this is gb news on nana wants to do is down to them. right.this is gb news on tv,na akua. this is gb news on tv, onene— akua. this is gb news on tv, online-digital- akua. this is gb news on tv, online digital radio. online and on digital radio. wnet— online and on digital radio. wnet to— online and on digital radio. wnet to woe— online and on digital radio. what do you think? would you do? woett— what do you think? would you do? woett-tne— what do you think? would you do? woett-tne-tt- would you take the jab? i'd love to-tnoennts— would you take the jab? i'd love to-tnoennts on- would you take the jab? i'd love to _thoughts on the- to hear your thoughts on the way.— to hear your thoughts on the wew-at— to hear your thoughts on the wew-at teoe.- to hear your thoughts on the way, at 5:00. very, very way, though. at 5:00. very, very speetet— way, though. at 5:00. very, very speetet neest— way, though. at 5:00. very, very special guest coming to the stetto— special guest coming to the studio-united- special guest coming to the studio united states. studio from the united states. i'll studio from the united states. ttt te— studio from the united states. i'll be speaking— i'll be speaking to a transgender- i'll be speaking to a transgender man who regrets his teetston— transgender man who regrets his decision-change— transgender man who regrets his decision change sex at the decision to change sex at the age— decision to change sex at the ene ot— decision to change sex at the eee ot az— decision to change sex at the age of 42. scott— decision to change sex at the age of 42. scott nugent has setteeet— age of 42. scott nugent has suffered from _ age of 42. scott nugent has suffered from numerous medical eonptteettons— suffered from numerous medical complications since his teensttton— complications since his transition and has also advocated— transition and has also advocated against it. that's eontnn— advocated against it. that's eontnn ep— advocated against it. that's eontnn ep. to— advocated against it. that's coming up. do not go anywhere for coming up. do not go anywhere to tnet— coming up. do not go anywhere to tnet one— coming up. do not go anywhere for that one. but— coming up. do not go anywhere for that one. but before that, it for that one. but before that, tt ts— for that one. but before that, tt ts oe— for that one. but before that, it is our great— for that one. but before that, it is our great british debate. tn — it is our great british debate. tn esttnn:— it is our great british debate. i'm asking, should we swear ettentenee— i'm asking, should we swear allegiance-king- i'm asking, should we swear allegiance king the allegiance to the king the aeenttsnop— allegiance to the king the archbishop canterbury archbishop of canterbury has setet— archbishop of canterbury has eettet on— archbishop of canterbury has called on the— archbishop of canterbury has called on the public swear called on the public to swear ettentenee— allegiance to the king during the allegiance to the king during tne neon— allegiance to the king during the much anticipated coronation next— the much anticipated coronation next seteetew.— the much anticipated coronation next saturday. but— the much anticipated coronation next saturday. but will you make the next saturday. but will you make tne-some— next saturday. but will you make tne-some ot— next saturday. but will you make the-some of your- the pledge some of your tnoenntse— the pledge some of your thoughts? 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the great british debate this hour asking, we hour. and i'm asking, should we swear to the king, swear allegiance to the king, the of canterbury has the archbishop of canterbury has called upon the public pledge called upon the public to pledge allegiance the during allegiance to the king during the much anticipated coronation next saturday during the order of those in the abbey of service. those in the abbey and the will be and around the world will be asked to say all. i swear that i will pay tribute, pay allegiance , true allegiance to your majesty and to your heirs and successors according to law. so help me god. that's it. but this will be the first time that members of the public will be included ceremony . but included in the ceremony. but for king to modernise for a king trying to modernise the royal family is starting off with a public proclamation the right forward? should the right way forward? should the coronation about the coronation be more about the celebration uk rather celebration of the uk rather than the individual? so the than the individual? so for the great british debate this year, than the individual? so for the gretaskingnh debate this year, than the individual? so for the gretasking would ite this year, than the individual? so for the gretasking would you �*iis year, than the individual? so for the gretasking would you swearir, i'm asking would you swear allegiance king? right. allegiance to the king? right. let's see. joining me now is michael cole. he's a former royal , narinder royal correspondent, narinder kaur broadcaster and social commentator , sir nigel nelson. commentator, sir nigel nelson. gb news, political commentator, and edwina currie , former and edwina currie, former conservative mp . i'm going to conservative mp. i'm going to start with you, cole .

start with you, michael cole. what do think? swearing what do you think? swearing allegiance are you allegiance to the king are you going it? yes, going to be doing it? yes, i think i will, although- gt “g e:nte “g c7 yes, i think i will, although i'll be woettnn— think i will, although i'll be woettnn toe— think i will, although i'll be working for you. _ think i will, although i'll be working for you. so may a working for you. so it may be a ttttte— working for you. so it may be a little-difficult— little bit difficult at that penteetee— little bit difficult at that penteetee-l little bit difficult at that particular , but little bit difficult at that- particular-, but certainly particular moment, but certainly my particular moment, but certainly nw—ntn — particular moment, but certainly my_him because. my heart is with him because i tntnt— my heart is with him because i tntnt wnet— my heart is with him because i think what we've— my heart is with him because i think what we've got to recognise— think what we've got to recognise here is that over the neneset— recognise here is that over the centuries, the— recognise here is that over the centuries, the ritual of the coronetton — centuries, the ritual of the coronation has— centuries, the ritual of the coronation has changed. ws.. coronation has changed. witness the coronation has changed. witness tte teet— coronation has changed. witness tte test tnet— coronation has changed. witness the fact that the king has cut it down from the three hours when his was crowned . to when his mother was crowned. to two hours now. and what he's eteeetw— two hours now. and what he's eteenw tnwtnn— two hours now. and what he's eteenw tnwtnn to— two hours now. and what he's clearly trying to do— two hours now. and what he's clearly trying to do is- and what he's clearly trying to do is make it as inclusive— clearly trying to do is make it as inclusive lviv— clearly trying to do is make it as inclusive lviv and as ecumenical— as inclusive lviv and as ecumenical as- as inclusive lviv and as ecumenical as possible. now the sneennn— ecumenical as possible. now the sneering classes,— ecumenical as possible. now the sneering classes, the smart metropolitan _ sneering classes, the smart metropolitan people may not wish to to— metropolitan people may not wish to to tnet:— metropolitan people may not wish to to tnet: tet— metropolitan people may not wish to do that, but this— metropolitan people may not wish to do that, but this country is teset— to do that, but this country is teset epon— to do that, but this country is teset epon en— to do that, but this country is based upon an judeo—christianity and based upon an judeo—christianity ent tts— based upon an judeo—christianity and its morality.— based upon an judeo—christianity and its morality. the ten commandments and all that , that commandments and all that, that eeteettw— commandments and all that, that eeteettw keeps— commandments and all that, that actually keeps us— commandments and all that, that actually keeps us probably in eneet. — actually keeps us probably in eneet. we— actually keeps us probably in check. we don't— actually keeps us probably in check. we don't go around neetennn— check. we don't go around neetennn :— check. we don't go around murdering, raping and robbing eest— murdering, raping and robbing eeen otter— murdering, raping and robbing eeen otnee :— murdering, raping and robbing each other , or— murdering, raping and robbing each other , or if— murdering, raping and robbing each other , or if we do, we face each other, or if we do, we face tne— each other, or if we do, we face tne penettw— each other, or if we do, we face tne penettw ot— each other, or if we do, we face the penalty of the— each other, or if we do, we face the penalty of the law. that's tne— the penalty of the law. that's tne neet— the penalty of the law. that's the great beauty— the penalty of the law. that's the great beauty of this eoentnw. — the great beauty of this eoentnw. a— the great beauty of this country. ' c country. a constitutional monarchy with a king or a queen

at the head of it who is the best at defence we have against extremism and dictatorship . now extremism and dictatorship. now the king, it may not be you,- now the king, it may not be you, it may— the king, it may not be you, it new not— the king, it may not be you, it new not te— the king, it may not be you, it new not te woe— the king, it may not be you, it new not te woe :— the king, it may not be you, it may not be you , but it may be may not be you, but it may be woee— may not be you, but it may be woee eent— may not be you, but it may be your aunt bertha— may not be you, but it may be your aunt bertha at home or peopte— your aunt bertha at home or peopte sttttnn— your aunt bertha at home or people sitting quietly in their tnet— people sitting quietly in their tnet tnet— people sitting quietly in their their their house. they may eeteettw— their their house. they may eeteettw ntwe— their their house. they may actually give a— their their house. they may actually give a little bit of tnents— actually give a little bit of tnents to— actually give a little bit of thanks to this— actually give a little bit of thanks to this country that's etwews— thanks to this country that's etwews tetnn— thanks to this country that's always being slagged off by all and always being slagged off by all ent sentnw— always being slagged off by all ent sentnw .— always being slagged off by all and sundry . but— always being slagged off by all and sundry . but everybody seems and sundry. but everybody seems tonne-— and sundry. but everybody seems toeonne- teee— and sundry. but everybody seems to-come here that- and sundry. but everybody seems to come here that we do to want to come here that we do newe— to want to come here that we do newe tnts— to want to come here that we do have this unique— to want to come here that we do have this unique arrangement wnen— have this unique arrangement wnten nes— have this unique arrangement which has many— have this unique arrangement which has many contradictions in it , which has many contradictions in tt : tet— which has many contradictions in tt : tet sees— which has many contradictions in it , but seems to— which has many contradictions in it, but seems to work which has many contradictions in it , but seems to work extremely it, but seems to work extremely wett— it, but seems to work extremely wett. wow.— it, but seems to work extremely wett. wow. tt— it, but seems to work extremely well. now. if you— it, but seems to work extremely well. now. if you don't want to tete— well. now. if you don't want to tete en— well. now. if you don't want to tete en oetn— well. now. if you don't want to take an oath, there's no compunction_ take an oath, there's no compunction .- take an oath, there's no compunction . you don't there's compunction. you don't there's no penettw— compunction. you don't there's no penettw . — compunction. you don't there's no penettw . ttt— compunction. you don't there's no penalty . it's a— compunction. you don't there's no penalty . c no penalty. it's a matter of private decision. and. well, let me est— private decision. and. well, let me est tet— private decision. and. well, let me est tet ne— private decision. and. well, let me ask let me let— private decision. and. well, let me ask let me let me- e:etef. nte“ and. well, let me ask let me let me ask wenntee— me ask let me let me ask narinder kaur_ me ask let me let me ask narinder kaur narinder kaur will you narinder kaur narinder kaur will woe te— narinder kaur narinder kaur will woe te sweennn— narinder kaur narinder kaur will you be swearing allegiance ? ante you be swearing allegiance? no, i you be swearing allegiance? no, twit— you be swearing allegiance? no, twttt not— you be swearing allegiance? no, twttt not te— you be swearing allegiance? no, i will not be swearing— i will not be swearing allegiance to a man who's just become king through historical chants and who represents actually a pyramid of entitlement and whose wealth has been built on the backs of other

people . i think it's people. i think it's a ridiculous— people. i think it's a ridiculous and- i think it's a ridiculous and tone deaf teneest. — ridiculous and tone deaf teneest. tt— ridiculous and tone deaf request. it has no place in tenoeeeew— request. it has no place in tenoeeeew :— request. it has no place in democracy , and- request. it has no place in democracy , and anyone who does democracy, and anyone who does tnet— democracy, and anyone who does swear their allegiance has has to newe— swear their allegiance has has to newe e— swear their allegiance has has to have a really— swear their allegiance has has to have a really good, long, neet— to have a really good, long, tent tntnt— to have a really good, long, hard think about themselves. teese .— hard think about themselves. because, i mean,— hard think about themselves. because, i mean, what are the netteewet— because, i mean, what are the mediaeval traditions do we bring teete — mediaeval traditions do we bring teete ttt— mediaeval traditions do we bring back? it's absolutely- back? it's absolutely ridiculous. it's pushing the enwetope. — ridiculous. it's pushing the envelope. and— ridiculous. it's pushing the envelope. and i— 1 e: f it's pushing the envelope. and i don't think it's going— envelope. and i don't think it's notnn to— envelope. and i don't think it's notnn to enttw— envelope. and i don't think it's going to unify the— envelope. and i don't think it's going to unify the country. i tntnt— going to unify the country. i think actually— going to unify the country. i think actually it's going to ttwte—ent- think actually it's going to divide—and it. think actually it's going to- divide_and it smacks divide the country and it smacks of desperation— divide the country and it smacks of desperation .— divide the country and it smacks of desperation . i— divide the country and it smacks of desperation . i mean, how of desperation. i mean, how tespeeete— of desperation. i mean, how desperate _are - of desperation. i mean, how- desperate _are worried desperate are they? are worried etoet— desperate are they? are worried etoet now— desperate are they? are worried about how unpopular this king eeteettw— about how unpopular this king eeteettw ts— about how unpopular this king eeteettw ts . — about how unpopular this king actually is . : e:nte actually is. would you do not think it's more inclusive ? well, think it's more inclusive? well, listen, i need word listen, i need to have a word with , narinder with myself, narinder kaur, because i am going to swear allegiance to king i'm allegiance to the king and i'm going to have fun with it. edwina currie well, it's something new. nana it wasn't in the something new. nana it wasn't in tne test— something new. nana it wasn't in the last coronation— something new. nana it wasn't in the last coronation this- “g nana it wasn't in the last coronation this has teen— the last coronation this has been introduced— the last coronation this has been introduced for the first the — been introduced for the first the tte— been introduced for the first time. the idea— been introduced for the first time. the idea that- been introduced for the first time. the idea that everybody should do this, who's listening in or watching in, um, and i'm very much in two minds about it, i'm perfectly happy for the king to swear that he's going to be the servant of all of us. that's fine . i'm

the servant of all of us. that's fine. i'm happy the servant of all of us. that's fine . i'm happy with that. and fine. i'm happy with that. and apparently he's going to say that times. idea that several times. the idea that several times. the idea that we are then his servants strikes me as being, well, a bit sort of odd, really there. i have taken a similar oath in the past. the oath that you take wnen— past. the oath that you take wnen woe— past. the oath that you take when you swear— past. the oath that you take when you swear in- the oath that you take when you swear in and you sign in when you swear in and you sign tn es— when you swear in and you sign tn es e— when you swear in and you sign tn es e mete— when you swear in and you sign in as a member of— when you swear in and you sign in as a member of parliament is verve— in as a member of parliament is verve wenw— in as a member of parliament is verve wenw stntten — in as a member of parliament is very, very similar. '“e: very, very similar. and that's one of the reasons why irish republicans are not able to take their seats, even if they won seats in northern ireland, they don't take it and they never have and they don't serve in the house of commons. claim house of commons. they claim all the , but they don't the allowances, but they don't do swearing . but for myself, do the swearing. but for myself, no, sorry . the king's got to no, i'm sorry. the king's got to prove and my own feeling prove himself and my own feeling is camilla, who is a woman is that camilla, who is a woman of tremendous good sense, should really have threatened him with a rolling pin or something like that and said to him, charles, don't be ridiculous. are too don't be ridiculous. we are too old. i'm 75. there's no way i can sit through two hours in the in all of this palaver in the albie. you just just say to them, oh, let them let the kids

take over and we can enjoy being old. yeah. you think they would : woettn-t— old. yeah. you think they would :woettn-t you?— et:ece: yeah. you think they would , wouldn't you? what do you tnt— , wouldn't you? what do you nip, wtnet— , wouldn't you? what do you think, nigel nelson? well, i neene—nee- mean, i do. i do agree that narendra , it's not democratic. mean, i do. i do agree that nar< system t's not democratic. mean, i do. i do agree that nar< system isn't)t democratic. mean, i do. i do agree that nar< system isn't democratic. c. our system isn't democratic. it's something that's evolved over a thousand years to get where we are. and i think that we a non—political head of we have a non—political head of state who brings a certain stability to the country as michael has just said, it stops extremists taking over . michael has just said, it stops extremists taking over. i'm perfectly happy to swear allegiance to the king in the same way that american children swear allegiance to the stars and stripes. it seems to be an act of patriotism , believing in act of patriotism, believing in one's country. act of patriotism, believing in one's country . and okay, it's one's country. and okay, it's a slightly strange system, but we are a strange country and unique . well, you see, i don't see wnet— . well, you see, i don't see wnet tne— well, you see, i don't see what the problem is . i think what the problem is. i think tt-s— what the problem is. i think tt-s neet— what the problem is. i think it's great. it's— what the problem is. i think it's great. it's a— what the problem is. i think it's great. it's a nice , it's great. it's a nice, tneteswe— it's great. it's a nice, inclusive gesture that people een-to— inclusive gesture that people een-to oe- inclusive gesture that people can-do or not- inclusive gesture that people can-do or not do.i inclusive gesture that people. can-do or not do. and can decide to do or not do. and i don-t— can decide to do or not do. and i don-t i— can decide to do or not do. and i ion-i i ion-i— can decide to do or not do. and i don't i don't share— can decide to do or not do. and i don't i don't share your opinion— i don't i don't share your opinion-people- i don't i don't share your opinion people need to i don't i don't share your- opinion-people need to have opinion that people need to have a—and- opinion that people need to havei a—and how, a word with themselves and how, you-im— a word with themselves and how, you-iiisli-usi— a word with themselves and how, you _this .justlnice- you know, this is just a nice gesiuie— you know, this is just a nice gesiuie io— you know, this is just a nice gesture to just— you know, this is just a nice gesture to just it's your choice . ive— gesture to just it's your choice . we are— gesture to just it's your choice . iie a— gesture to just it's your choice

. we are a democratic country. ii-s— . we are a democratic country. ii-s-ciioice— . we are a democratic country. it's-choice to— . we are a democratic country. it's-choice to do- . we are a democratic country. it's-choice to do it- it's your choice to do it or not— it's your choice to do it or non-i — it's your choice to do it or non-i i— it's your choice to do it or not,-.7 ithink- it's your choice to do it or not,-.7 | think it's it's your choice to do it or- not,-.7 i think it's just not, isn't it.7 i think it's just really weird . and the question really weird. and the question should be the relevance of the monarchy appalling costs monarchy and the appalling costs of this this coronation on pubuc of this this coronation on public funds. and it should be the question of, you know, it's almost they're trying to almost like they're trying to groom next generation and groom the next generation and pledge it's pledge your allegiance. it's just so out place. and just so out of place. and actually, i think it's doing the opposite . it's making opposite effect. it's making people the people it's turning them off the whole coronation and the monarchy . and, you know, we monarchy. and, you know, we don't allegiance don't want to swear allegiance to king actually, to this. king actually, he's not respected . he's not popular. and respected. he's not popular. and he seems to be going down the wrong the time. and wrong way. all the time. and i don't know who's actually advising them. i'm actually horrified this . horrified about this. everyone's sitting horrified about this. - everyone's sitting-their everyone's sitting in their iiving— everyone's sitting in their iiving-and- everyone's sitting in their living and standing everyone's sitting in their- living-and standing up. living rooms and standing up. and— living rooms and standing up. and so— living rooms and standing up. and so i— living rooms and standing up. and so i iii— living rooms and standing up. and so i will serve— living rooms and standing up. and so i will serve nana- living rooms and standing up. and so i will serve nana come on. are you going over the top mere?— on. are you going over the top iiieiei-coie— on. are you going over the top iiieiei-coie .- on. are you going over the top there?-cole , what- izzi" are you going over the top there? cole , what do on. are you going over the top. there?-cole , what do you there? michael cole, what do you iiiiiiii— there.7 michael cole, what do you iiiinii—i- there.7 michael cole, what do you think?_| think- think? i mean, i think i think iiiis— think? i mean, i think i think this-ridiculous,- this is a bit ridiculous, many.— this is a bit ridiculous, really-it's- this is a bit ridiculous, really. it's nice. this is a bit ridiculous,- really.-it's nice. it's this is a bit ridiculous,- renice-it's nice. it's this is a bit ridiculous, renice inclusive's nice. it's this is a bit ridiculous, renice inclusive's nice. ityou've a nice inclusive gesture. you've got-option— a nice inclusive gesture. you've goilopiion-ii— a nice inclusive gesture. you've got-option-itlnot.l got an option to do it or not. you— got an option to do it or not. you know,— got an option to do it or not. you know, im— got an option to do it or not. you know, i'm happy to swear aiiegiance.— you know, i'm happy to swear allegiance. country allegiance. i love this country .-paiiioiic- allegiance. i love this country .-patriotic and- . i'm super patriotic and i iiiiiii— . i'm super patriotic and i iiiiiii ii-s— . i'm super patriotic and i iiiiiii ii-s .— . i'm super patriotic and i think it's a wonderful inclusion . iii— think it's a wonderful inclusion . i-ii be— think it's a wonderful inclusion . i'll be there.— think it's a wonderful inclusion . i'll be there. what do you iiiiiii— . i'll be there. what do you think, michael— . i'll be there. what do you think, michael ? . i'll be there. what do you

think, michael? . i'll be there. what do you think, michael ? think, michael? loyalty is the theme that runs throughout this ancient ceremony and first of all, the king's loyal motty is tested. he's asked whether he's prepared— tested. he's asked whether he's prepared io— tested. he's asked whether he's prepared to take— tested. he's asked whether he's prepared to take the— : he's asked whether he's prepared to take the oath and iii— prepared to take the oath and iii is— prepared to take the oath and iii is iiie— prepared to take the oath and that is the coronation oath. and it's that is the coronation oath. and ii-s iiie— that is the coronation oath. and ii-s iiie mosi— that is the coronation oath. and it's the most solemn and imporiani— it's the most solemn and important moment in the whole of his important moment in the whole of ms remn— important moment in the whole of ms ieign. and— important moment in the whole of his reign. and he— important moment in the whole of his reign. and he has to promise when— his reign. and he has to promise when he— his reign. and he has to promise when he says— his reign. and he has to promise when he says-he- his reign. and he has to promise when he says he will take when he says that he will take the when he says that he will take me eeiii— when he says that he will take me eeiiilie— when he says that he will take the oath-be loyal- when he says that he will take the oath be loyal to god, to the oath to be loyal to god, to iiie— the oath to be loyal to god, to me peepie— the oath to be loyal to god, to me peepie, ene— the oath to be loyal to god, to the people, and to— the oath to be loyal to god, to the people, and to the church, and— the people, and to the church, and one— the people, and to the church, and eniy men,— the people, and to the church, and only then, only then hold on iuei— and only then, only then hold on we a— and only then, only then hold on we a seem-i— and only then, only then hold on just a second. hold— and only then, only then hold on just a second. hold on. only iiien— just a second. hold on. only iiien is— just a second. hold on. only iiien is he— just a second. hold on. only then is he anointed . and then he then is he anointed. and then he bee— then is he anointed. and then he becomes liturgically the king. and— becomes liturgically the king. and ibeb— becomes liturgically the king. and then he's— becomes liturgically the king. and then he's invested with the orb and then he's invested with the ob ebb— and then he's invested with the orb and sceptre,_ and then he's invested with the orb and sceptre, the symbols of bower— orb and sceptre, the symbols of power in— orb and sceptre, the symbols of power in order— orb and sceptre, the symbols of power in order not— orb and sceptre, the symbols of power in order not for his own greeber— power in order not for his own greeber gerb— power in order not for his own greeber giery. ae— power in order not for his own greater glory. as the lady on ibe— greater glory. as the lady on be beb— greater glory. as the lady on be ieb iigbi— greater glory. as the lady on the top right thinks. but to serve— the top right thinks. but to serve ibe— the top right thinks. but to serve the people that is what it's serve the people that is what ii-e eii— serve the people that is what it's all about.— serve the people that is what it's all about. it's— serve the people that is what it's all about. it's about what i— it's all about. it's about what i give— it's all about. it's about what can i give edwina? viii; gin can i give edwina? we've got beepe— can i give edwina? we've got people going to food banks and this is a stop shouting, stop , this is a stop shouting, stop, stop! no, no, no, no , no. i

stop! no, no, no, no, no. i deede— stop! no, no, no, no, no. i decide. edwina— no, no, no, no, no. i decide. edwina can you come in on decide. edwina can you come in en ibe— decide. edwina can you come in on me ebb— decide. edwina can you come in on this and give— decide. edwina can you come in on this and give me the last your— on this and give me the last you ioeb— on this and give me the last your last thoughts on this ? your last thoughts on this? um, the coronation— your last thoughts on this? um, the coronation is— your last thoughts on this? um, the coronation is enormously symbolic , but it's also a load symbolic, but it's also a load of flummery. i mean, should be uoiequo— of flummery. i mean, should be uoiequo ii— of flummery. i mean, should be watching it thoroughly,- “wig i mean, should be watching it thoroughly, enjoying it. watching it thoroughly, enjoying ii. ive— watching it thoroughly, enjoying ii. i-ve ooo— watching it thoroughly, enjoying it. i've got food— watching it thoroughly, enjoying it. i've got food organised, ive— it. i've got food organised, i-ve ooo— it. i've got food organised, i-ve goo ibe— it. i've got food organised, i've got wine organised. i've iuviieo— i've got wine organised. i've iuviieoi ib— i've got wine organised. i've invited in various friends from boobe— invited in various friends from ubique, some— invited in various friends from ukraine, some of— invited in various friends from ukraine, some of whom will be iuieieeieo— ukraine, some of whom will be iuieieeieo .— ukraine, some of whom will be interested , but— ukraine, some of whom will be interested , but they'll be interested, but they'll be obequier— interested, but they'll be absolutely astonished if i stand up one— absolutely astonished if i stand up one oboe— absolutely astonished if i stand up and start swearing to god or uboievei— up and start swearing to god or whoever ib— up and start swearing to god or whatever in the— up and start swearing to god or whatever in the middle of the ceremony in— whatever in the middle of the ceremony. i'm going to watch it, enjoy— ceremony. i'm going to watch it, enjoy ii— ceremony. i'm going to watch it, enjoy ir onu— ceremony. i'm going to watch it, enjoy it and wish— ceremony. i'm going to watch it, enjoy it and wish well . /i:::i. enjoy it and wish him well. you bubb— enjoy it and wish him well. you nigbr. vou— enjoy it and wish him well. you might. you might— enjoy it and wish him well. you might. you might surprise. they might. you might surprise. they might surprise you, edwina. and they stand up and swear they might stand up and swear allegiance and be allegiance as well and be thankful say, this thankful and say, this is a wonderful and we'd love wonderful country and we'd love to never know. edwina, to stay. you never know. edwina, thank you so being good to stay. you never know. edwina, thrtalklou so being good to stay. you never know. edwina, thrtalk to so being good to stay. you never know. edwina, thrtalk to you. being good to stay. you never know. edwina, thrtalk to you. is, being good to talk to you. that is, of course, currie , narinder course, edwina currie, narinder kaun course, edwina currie, narinder kaur, broadcaster and commentator michael cole, former royal , and also royal correspondent, and also nigel nelson. thank you much nigel nelson. thank you so much . really good to hear your thoughts. think at thoughts. what do you think at home? will you be pledging allegiance? i don't home? will you be pledging allegirl'mi? i don't home? will you be pledging allegirl'm quite i don't home? will you be pledging allegirl'm quite happy n't home? will you be pledging allegirl'm quite happy to go with mind. i'm quite happy to go with it. monarchy is a great it. it's the monarchy is a great thing. i this is

thing. i think this country is a great institution, but i want to know your thoughts. you're with me . i'm nana akua. this know your thoughts. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news , online and news on tv, online and on digital . after the break, digital radio. after the break, we'll continue great we'll continue with the great british hour. british debate this hour. and i'm swear i'm asking, should we swear allegiance to king? the allegiance to the king? ulez the thoughts of my panel, author and broadcaster , broadcaster christine hamilton, also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. first, let's also broadcaster and journalist danyourzlly. first, let's also broadcaster and journalist danyourzlly. newst,let's also broadcaster and journalist danyourzlly. news headlines get your latest news headlines as . hi, there it get your latest news headlines as. hi, there it is. get your latest news headlines as . hi, there it is. 434. get your latest news headlines as. hi, there it is. 434. i'm koren— as. hi, there it is. 434. i'm karen armstrong- hi, there it is. 434. i'm karen armstrong in the newsroom. the karen armstrong in the newsroom. ine governmen— karen armstrong in the newsroom. the government is— karen armstrong in the newsroom. the government is planning an enro— the government is planning an extra evacuation— the government is planning an extra evacuation flight from suoon— extra evacuation flight from sudan tomorrow for british noiionoie— sudan tomorrow for british nationals trying to leave the eounrry— nationals trying to leave the eounrry .— nationals trying to leave the eounrry . ii— nationals trying to leave the country . it will— nationals trying to leave the country . it will depart from country. it will depart from non— country. it will depart from non subun— country. it will depart from port sudan in— country. it will depart from port sudan in the east of the oounrry— port sudan in the east of the eounrry nbere — port sudan in the east of the country where earlier the first enibneni— country where earlier the first enibneni or— country where earlier the first shipment of humanitarian aid orriveo. — shipment of humanitarian aid orriveo. ii— shipment of humanitarian aid arrived. a british navy ships nove— arrived. a british navy ships nove obo— arrived. a british navy ships have also docked there in port suoon— have also docked there in port suoon io— have also docked there in port sudan to provide— have also docked there in port sudan to provide evacuate and eubbon— sudan to provide evacuate and eubbon rnoee— sudan to provide evacuate and support those hoping to leave are support those hoping to leave beino— support those hoping to leave are being told— support those hoping to leave are being told to— support those hoping to leave are being told to get to the international— are being told to get to the international airport before nioooy— international airport before nioooy .— international airport before nioooy . ine— international airport before midday . the isf paramilitary midday. the isf paramilitary force— midday. the isf paramilitary boree beyo— midday. the isf paramilitary boree eoye ii— midday. the isf paramilitary force says it will— midday. the isf paramilitary force says it will extend the

ounenr— force says it will extend the current truce _ force says it will extend the current truce for— force says it will extend the current truce for a further 72 nou — current truce for a further 72 hours, starting— current truce for a further 72 hours, starting from midnight. aiinouon— hours, starting from midnight. iiirnouin ine— hours, starting from midnight. although the ceasefire has been broken— although the ceasefire has been broken unn— although the ceasefire has been broken with airstrikes and rioanno— broken with airstrikes and rioanno in— broken with airstrikes and fighting in khartoum, that is yet fighting in khartoum, that is yer io— fighting in khartoum, that is yer io be— fighting in khartoum, that is yet to be confirmed . and the yet to be confirmed. and the exerenion— yet to be confirmed. and the eerenion by— yet to be confirmed. and the extension by the _ yet to be confirmed. and the extension by the sudanese army, the extension by the sudanese army, ine nurses— extension by the sudanese army, the nurses union,— extension by the sudanese army, the nurses union, has relaxed its the nurses union, has relaxed ire unbe— the nurses union, has relaxed its strike rules— the nurses union, has relaxed its strike rules to _ the nurses union, has relaxed its strike rules to ensure eriiieoi— its strike rules to ensure critical services will still oberore— critical services will still operate during a 28 hour unboun— operate during a 28 hour walkout, which starts at 8:00 inb— walkout, which starts at 8:00 inie evenne— walkout, which starts at 8:00 this evening at,— walkout, which starts at 8:00 this evening at, as england boys,— this evening at, as england says, discussions with the rcn nove— says, discussions with the rcn have resulted _ says, discussions with the rcn have resulted in— says, discussions with the rcn have resulted in an agreement for rninirnurn— have resulted in an agreement for minimum staffing levels to be broviiei— for minimum staffing levels to be provided to— for minimum staffing levels to be provided to cover life and inb— be provided to cover life and limb services.— be provided to cover life and limb services. great ormond sneer— limb services. great ormond sneer ie— limb services. great ormond street is one— limb services. great ormond street is one of— limb services. great ormond street is one of a- limb services. great ormond street is one of a number of noebiroie— street is one of a number of noebiroie io— street is one of a number of hospitals to have- street is one of a number of hospitals to have agreed to do inor— hospitals to have agreed to do inor .— hospitals to have agreed to do inor. uns— hospitals to have agreed to do that. nhs england say urgent care remains— that. nhs england say urgent care remains the— that. nhs england say urgent care remains the priority. they are care remains the priority. they ieiiini— care remains the priority. they are telling the— care remains the priority. they are telling the public to use ine— are telling the public to use ine neoiin— are telling the public to use the health service wisely. steve boroon— the health service wisely. steve boroon, ine — the health service wisely. steve barclay, the health secretary, is barclay, the health secretary, ie nobeiui— barclay, the health secretary, is hopeful the _ barclay, the health secretary, is hopeful the dispute can be reeoivei— is hopeful the dispute can be resolved later— is hopeful the dispute can be resolved later this week. the bron— resolved later this week. the staff council— resolved later this week. the staff council is— resolved later this week. the staff council is due to meet on iueeon. — staff council is due to meet on iueeon. inn— staff council is due to meet on tuesday. if. c staff council is due to meet on tuesday. i'm cautiously optimism btec that the staff council will agree to then vote in favour of the deal. but i think it's right to wait until tuesday for the staff council to meet and this strike is premature. i think

it's disrespectful to the other trade unions. i think the rcn should await it. they're a member— should await it. they're a member or— should await it. they're a member of the— should await it. they're a member of the staff- : c c they're a member of the staff council . member of the staff council. t hey— member of the staff council. ibey were— member of the staff council. ibey borr— member of the staff council. they were part of— member of the staff council. they were part of the- they were part of the negotiations and as i say, pat cullen herself recommended this deal to members . as five deal to her members. as five people, including an eight year old child, have been killed in a shooting at a home in texas. officials from the san jacinto counry— officials from the san jacinto county sheriff's— officials from the san jacinto county sheriff's office attended the county sheriff's office attended ine scene— county sheriff's office attended the scene after— county sheriff's office attended the scene after receiving a call obour— the scene after receiving a call oboui eonne— the scene after receiving a call about some domestic harassment. seweroi— about some domestic harassment. seweroi webbe— about some domestic harassment. several victims had— about some domestic harassment. several victims had been shot by the several victims had been shot by we ine— several victims had been shot by we ine ine— several victims had been shot by the time the police— several victims had been shot by the time the police arrived. the euebeer— the time the police arrived. the euebeor ie— the time the police arrived. the suspect is armed— the time the police arrived. the suspect is armed and believed to eiiii— suspect is armed and believed to eiiii be— suspect is armed and believed to eiiii be on— suspect is armed and believed to still be on the— suspect is armed and believed to still be on the run— suspect is armed and believed to still be on the run .— suspect is armed and believed to still be on the run . the stone still be on the run. the stone of still be on the run. the stone or ieeiiny— still be on the run. the stone of destiny has— still be on the run. the stone of destiny has been welcomed to inoioni— of destiny has been welcomed to inoioni in— of destiny has been welcomed to inoioni in i— of destiny has been welcomed to england in a special ceremony oneoi— england in a special ceremony oneoi or— england in a special ceremony oneoi or ine— england in a special ceremony ahead of the event . the ahead of the event. the coronation,— ahead of the event. the coronation, of- ahead of the event. the coronation, of course, that is ine— coronation, of course, that is we ioree— coronation, of course, that is the dates back— coronation, of course, that is the dates back to- coronation, of course, that is the dates back to the 12th eenrury— the dates back to the 12th eenrury eni— the dates back to the 12th century and is— the dates back to the 12th century and is not normally is nornoiiy— century and is not normally is nornoiiy on— century and is not normally is normally on display at edinburgh coeiie. — normally on display at edinburgh coeiie. lwiii— normally on display at edinburgh castle. .will sit— normally on display at edinburgh castle. will sit under the castle. it will sit under the knob— castle. it will sit under the inge-new- castle. it will sit under the king's next week and has king's throne next week and has been— king's throne next week and has been _coronation- king's throne next week and has been coronation for been used in coronation for neoriy— been used in coronation for neoriy o— been used in coronation for nearly a thousand years. torfaen oniine— nearly a thousand years. torfaen oniine bab — nearly a thousand years. torfaen online dab and— nearly a thousand years. torfaen online dab and tunein radio this

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by the media. britain is broken. how on earth did . we c: how on earth did. we good iiiernoon. — how on earth did. we good afternoon. if— how on earth did. we good afternoon. if you're just tuned in, where have you been? it's all right, though. you're halfway fine. halfway through. it's fine. we've got loads more still to come. is gb come. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. it's time for the channel. now it's time for the great hour. great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, swear and i'm asking, should we swear allegiance to the king, the archbishop canterbury has archbishop of canterbury has called public pledge called upon the public to pledge allegiance to during allegiance to the king during the much anticipated coronation next saturday. now, during the order service , members of the order of service, members of the pubuc order of service, members of the public say , may public will be asked to say, may i swear that i will pay true allegiance to your majesty and to your heirs and successors, according to law. so help me god . i love that bit. it's like so american . now, this will be the american. now, this will be the first have first time the public will have an active role in the ceremony . an active role in the ceremony. but for a king trying to modernise royal family, is modernise the royal family, is this starting off in the this sort of starting off in the right way ? should the coronation right way? should the coronation be more about the celebration of the united kingdom rather than one individual? so what do you think for the great british debate asking . will you debate this i'm asking. will you be swearing allegiance to the king? should we doing king? should we be doing it? de—man also de—man hamilton and also

broadcaster danny broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. right, christine , will kelly. right, christine, will you be swearing allegiance to the iwill. it's the king? yes i will. it's not obligatory. _has- the king? yes i will. it's not obligatory. _has to. the king? yes i will. it's not| obligatory. _has to do the king? yes i will. it's not. obligatory.-has to do it. obligatory. nobody has to do it. if obligatory. nobody has to do it. ii—io— obligatory. nobody has to do it. ii—iolii- obligatory. nobody has to do it. ii—iolii .- obligatory. nobody has to do it. ii—iolii. il if they don't want to do it. i ber— if they don't want to do it. i be i— if they don't want to do it. i be i ior— if they don't want to do it. i be i ioi or— if they don't want to do it. i bet a lot of the— if they don't want to do it. i bet a lot of the people who ion-i—won-il bet a lot of the people whoi don't—won't be don't want to do it won't be worenino— watching the coronation anyway. but watching the coronation anyway. bui yes,— watching the coronation anyway. bur yee, wny— watching the coronation anyway. bur yee, wny now— watching the coronation anyway. but yes, why not? this a it's but yes, why not? this is a it's a but yes, why not? this is a it's o oenuneer— but yes, why not? this is a it's a centuries old— but yes, why not? this is a it's a centuries old tradition where the a centuries old tradition where we eeoni— a centuries old tradition where the second oldest— a centuries old tradition where the second oldest monarchy in the second oldest monarchy in we worii— the second oldest monarchy in the world after— the second oldest monarchy in the world after japan the second oldest monarchy in the world afterjapan , the second oldest monarchy in the world after japan , the the world after japan, the nonoreny— the world after japan, the nonoreny ie— the world after japan, the monarchy is something which noiie— monarchy is something which noiie inb— monarchy is something which holds this country together. ire— holds this country together. iii i— holds this country together. it's a celebration of patriotism. - it's a celebration of patriotism. we're not swearing oiieoionee— patriotism. we're not swearing oiieoionee io— patriotism. we're not swearing allegiance to charles. we're eweorino— allegiance to charles. we're swearing allegiance to the crown— swearing allegiance to the crown ani— swearing allegiance to the crown. and what she represents oni— crown. and what she represents oni ine— crown. and what she represents and the monarchy.— crown. and what she represents and the monarchy. and he derives his and the monarchy. and he derives nie ournoriiy— and the monarchy. and he derives nie ournonry by— and the monarchy. and he derives his authority by act— and the monarchy. and he derives his authority by act of parliament. - his authority by act of parliament. we have said that we won— parliament. we have said that we won nin — parliament. we have said that we won nin io— parliament. we have said that we won nin io be— parliament. we have said that we want him to be there. we want a beron— want him to be there. we want a beron io— want him to be there. we want a beo io be— want him to be there. we want a person to be there— want him to be there. we want a person to be there .— want him to be there. we want a person to be there . it's far person to be there. it's far beiier— person to be there. it's far better than— person to be there. it's far better than the- person to be there. it's far better than the crown, far beiier— better than the crown, far better than _ better than the crown, far better than swearing allegiance to better than swearing allegiance romeo.— better than swearing allegiance ioliioi. i— better than swearing allegiance ioliioi. i ion-i— better than swearing allegiance to flag. i don't see any to a flag. i don't see any problem-— to a flag. i don't see any women-ie- to a flag. i don't see any problem.-is noti problem. but this is not obiioorory. — problem. but this is not obiioorory. i— problem. but this is not obligatory. i think you said eoriien— obligatory. i think you said earlier,-are_ obligatory. i think you said earlier, are people don't earlier, why are people i don't know—down] earlier, why are people i don't- know_down, danny. know why people are down, danny. i ion-i—bonny-s- know why people are down, danny. i don't—danny's going- know why people are down, danny. i may—danny's going- know why people are down, danny. i csayv-toldanny's going- know why people are down, danny. i csayv-to readinny's going- know why people are down, danny. icsayv-to read him.; going- to say trying to read him. no, i do to say, stop do think he's going to say, stop holding hands. you're to holding hands. you're about to burn—iii- holding hands. you're about to burst it's not. it's burst. of course it's not. it's not north korea. no, of course it's not. obligatory reading

some of the rubbish on social media, you would think people were told have were being told that they have to know. they know to do this. they know. they know it's we're not it's ridiculous. but we're not going to it. dare , how going to do it. how dare, how dare they? how they? dare they? how dare they? you ion-i— dare they? how dare they? you ion-i-io— dare they? how dare they? you ion-i-io ii.— dare they? how dare they? you don't-do it.-don'ti don't have to do it. you don't nove— have to do it. i'm doing it beoue— have to do it. i'm doing it. because—people have to do it. i'm doing it- because_people have because i enjoy it. people have been told that at this stage in because i enjoy it. people have bee ceremonyt at this stage in because i enjoy it. people have bee ceremony , at this stage in because i enjoy it. people have bee ceremony , the 1is stage in because i enjoy it. people have bee ceremony , the king age in because i enjoy it. people have bee ceremony , the king willin the ceremony, the king will swear allegiance to us. he swear his allegiance to us. he will swear serve us to " d “i; he will swear serve us to spend will swear to serve us to spend ine— will swear to serve us to spend ine reor— will swear to serve us to spend ine reer or— will swear to serve us to spend the rest of his— will swear to serve us to spend the rest of his life— will swear to serve us to spend the rest of his life serving us as the rest of his life serving us no no— the rest of his life serving us as his mother— the rest of his life serving us as his mother people as his mother did. and people are as his mother did. and people rubr— as his mother did. and people iuer being— as his mother did. and people are just being told, you wish as his mother did. and people arcjoint being told, you wish as his mother did. and people arcjoin in,3ing told, you wish as his mother did. and people arcjoin in, thistold, you wish as his mother did. and people arcjoin in, this is.d, you wish as his mother did. and people arcjoin in, this is what/ou wish as his mother did. and people arcjoin in, this is what you nish to join in, this is what you ooy.— to join in, this is what you ooy-ie— to join in, this is what you say.-is where- to join in, this is what you say.-is where it. to join in, this is what you- say.-is where it will. say. and this is where it will. iii— say. and this is where it will. we going— say. and this is where it will. we gong-be— say. and this is where it will. it's going. be - no - it's going to be great. no obugafion it's going to be great. no obligation do obligation. but but you do reoiiee— obligation. but but you do realise-you're- obligation. but but you do- realise-you're swearing realise by proxy you're swearing an realise by proxy you're swearing on oiieiionce— realise by proxy you're swearing an allegiance to— realise by proxy you're swearing an allegiance to andrew. to worry.— an allegiance to andrew. to worry-worse- an allegiance to andrew. to harry. worse than andrew harry. even worse than andrew for harry. even worse than andrew ior yo.— harry. even worse than andrew for you, rrince— harry. even worse than andrew for you, prince andrew and worry. — for you, prince andrew and worry. inn— for you, prince andrew and harry. i'm. listen,- for you, prince andrew and harry. 51:7“ for you, prince andrew and harry. 5i1:7�* c harry. i'm. listen, i'm like humpty dumpty when i choose a word , it means what i want it to word, it means what i want it to mean. and i will overlay the fact that the heirs include harry and andrew. i will. i am swearing it to charles. i will be swearing . you will be doing be swearing. you will be doing it as well. i will. yes, i be swearing. /i1::r. c: i:i1::i g c i will. yes, i will. it as well. i will. yes, i will. iieien— it as well. i will. yes, i will. iieien i— it as well. i will. yes, i will. listen, i queued— c i will. yes, i will. listen, i queued nine hours to ine— listen, i queued nine hours to ine ieoi— listen, i queued nine hours to see the dead queen. i'm going to bone— see the dead queen. i'm going to bone ice— see the dead queen. i'm going to bone be our— see the dead queen. i'm going to take 10s out of— see the dead queen. i'm going to take 10s out of my— see the dead queen. i'm going to take 10s out of my day to swear. bur— take 10s out of my day to swear. bur ine— take 10s out of my day to swear. bur ine-inino— take 10s out of my day to swear. but the-thing is—

take 10s out of my day to swear. but the thing is the only. but the only thing is the only. if nee— but the only thing is the only. ii we rryino— but the only thing is the only. if he's trying touch if he's trying to get in touch wiin— if he's trying to get in touch wiin ine— if he's trying to get in touch with the youngsters of this counrry. — country. why? he needs to understand— country. why? he needs to understand that people understand that young people oeneroiiy— understand that young people generally speaking, they're ioiiini— generally speaking, they're roiiini our— generally speaking, they're falling out of— generally speaking, they're falling out of love with the nonorcny. — monarchy. but also there's a i innk— monarchy. but also there's a i- ininb—nony think they are. no, no. how many young— think they are. no, no. how many young people have spoken young people have you spoken to? well, a study that well, there's a study that says young i. how young people have used i. how many? no no. here's an answer. how many young people do you know any young people don't even know any young people don't even know any young people. what is he talking? danny? is a young beron — he talking? danny? is a young person. something person. there's 30% or something of younger than me. 30% of young people that they they have people say that they they have affection with or affiliate, whatever. so and also the bit about god, right ? we are about god, right? we are generally living in an atheistic , atheistic country. so i would remove the bit about. so i swear by god, because that's a bit that will alienate people. for example, do you believe in god? no, believe that god is within no, i believe that god is within us, no, i believe that god is within usur— no, i believe that god is within ueli-coi— no, i believe that god is within uoli-coi . — no, i believe that god is within uoli-coi. so- no, i believe that god is within us,.i-god. so you- no, i believe that god is within us, i god . an: no, i believe that god is within- us,.i-god . so you are god. us, so i am god. so you are god. there no, no . i just there you go. no, no. i just believe are there you go. no, no. i justi believe-are-own. believe that we are our own. you know— believe that we are our own. you know .— believe that we are our own. you know ,|beiiewe— believe that we are our own. you know , believe myself. know, i believe in myself. and i innk— know, i believe in myself. and i inink—or- think that i'm a part of eonernino— think that i'm a part of something bigger. know something bigger. i don't know wnor— something bigger. i don't know| wnoi—wnor something bigger. i don't know| wcoii—wnor something bigger. i don't know| vicall it,_what something bigger. i don't know| vicall it,_just-what something bigger. i don't know vicall it, just quite what i call it, but i'm just quite happy— i call it, but i'm just quite bobby ern— i call it, but i'm just quite happy with believing. listen, ive—io- happy with believing. listen, ive—io ioee- happy with believing. listen, i've—to lose by. i've got nothing to lose by ininkino— i've got nothing to lose by thinking somebody thinking there's somebody up

were—.- thinking there's somebody up inere—. i- thinking there's somebody up inere—. i berl there when i'm gone. i bet at ieoer— least there'll be sandwiches and brun— least there'll be sandwiches and our oni— least there'll be sandwiches and our oni iii— least there'll be sandwiches and stuff and ni be— least there'll be sandwiches and stuff and i'll be treated nicely least there'll be sandwiches and styounnd i'll be treated nicely least there'll be sandwiches and styou don'tl be treated nicely least there'll be sandwiches and styou don't believe ited nicely least there'll be sandwiches and styou don't believe it,i nicely least there'll be sandwiches and styou don't believe it, thenily if you don't believe it, then you-re— if you don't believe it, then youe—io- if you don't believe it, then. you're—to nothing . you're on a hiding to nothing. koure— you're on a hiding to nothing. you're on a road— you're on a hiding to nothing. you're on a road hell. look you're on a road to hell. look inere— you're on a road to hell. look inere io. — you're on a road to hell. look inere in i— you're on a road to hell. look there is. i hope— you're on a road to hell. look there is. i hope that- you're on a road to hell. look there is. i hope that the coronation is going to be a really unifying force. now, a lot of people are saying it's a divisive and i hope it divisive force, and i hope it will be unifying millions of people across the world will be watching britain watching it. it's what britain does best. and we should be very proud that we've got a stable monarchy. look at monarchy. when you look at countries world and countries across the world and i think thank god for our royal family and they work hard and i am more than happy when am more than happy to when i think it, though, they think about it, though, they don't do they ? but don't do anything, do they? but what don't do what do you mean they don't do anything? no, i'm teasing you. reu— anything? no, i'm teasing you. tell christine . what do tell her, christine. what do they trying think . they do? i'm trying to think. wnor— they do? i'm trying to think. wnoi—nowl they do? i'm trying to think. - what—how hard what do they do? well, how hard ibey— what do they do? well, how hard ibey work— what do they do? well, how hard iney work on— what do they do? well, how hard iney work on in— what do they do? well, how hard they work day in and they just go io— they work day in and they just go ro innoc— they work day in and they just go to things they— they work day in and they just go to things they do well. iieinon— go to things they do well. iieinon-ie- go to things they do well. meghan is filing meghan markle is filing her nobo— meghan markle is filing her noiie .— meghan markle is filing her nails . princess,— meghan markle is filing her nails . princess, the what she nails. princess, the what she coiiei— nails. princess, the what she coiiei ine— nails. princess, the what she called the princess of wales , is called the princess of wales, is out called the princess of wales, is our oniine,— called the princess of wales, is out visiting, you _ called the princess of wales, is out visiting, you know, care nones— out visiting, you know, care nonee oni— out visiting, you know, care homes and goodness knows what ibey— homes and goodness knows what ibey io— homes and goodness knows what iney io work.— homes and goodness knows what iney io work. i— homes and goodness knows what they do work. i think i think ire— they do work. i think i think it's-actually. - it's important actually. i'm just—the- it's important actually. i'mj just—the reality it's important actually. i'm. just—the reality is just teasing. but the reality is that what they are doing and

it's something that a lot of people see people might not see or understand . so think of people might not see or undbritishi . so think of people might not see or undbritish people think of people might not see or undbritish people d0ik of people might not see or undbritish people do is of people might not see or undbritish people do is they're the british people do is they're almost providing a wonderful positive energy to country positive energy to the country and if you don't value that, that's it's up to you. but and if you don't value that, tilot; it's up to you. but and if you don't value that, tilot; be t's up to you. but and if you don't value that, tilot; be t's up to when ut a lot can be achieved when you've got people who believe in in a unified goal. and think in a unified goal. and i think they bring us that. but also a few be swearing the few people be swearing the allegiance gritted teeth allegiance through gritted teeth because prince charles sorry, king does come king charles does does come across as parent, as quite across as a parent, as quite apparently woke . and i would apparently woke. and i would euooeer— apparently woke. and i would euooeer io— apparently woke. and i would euooeer ro io— apparently woke. and i would suggest to do it— apparently woke. and i would suggest to do it then- and i would suggest to do it then if you're going— suggest to do it then if you're going io— suggest to do it then if you're going ro io— suggest to do it then if you're going ro io ii— suggest to do it then if you're going to do it through gritted reern—inorl going to do it through gritted. teeth _that some going to do it through gritted. teeth iwill-that some going to do it through gritted teeth will do that some going to do it through gritted teeth will do it that some going to do it through gritted teeth will do it becauset some going to do it through gritted teeth will do it because they1e people will do it because they innk— people will do it because they think—climate- people will do it because they. think—climate change think that he's a climate change ociiwei— think that he's a climate change activist, almost— think that he's a climate change activist, almost bordering on bounce.— activist, almost bordering on boiiriee. an— activist, almost bordering on politics. and a— activist, almost bordering on politics. and a bit woke and beoue.— politics. and a bit woke and beobie. keen— politics. and a bit woke and people. yeah, but you can still be you— people. yeah, but you can still be you con— people. yeah, but you can still be you can still— people. yeah, but you can still be you can still have an oiieoionce— be you can still have an allegiance someone at the top allegiance to someone at the top of the tree who you think is going— of the tree who you think is going--_ of the tree who you think is gone-- weii- of the tree who you think is gone-- web i- of the tree who you think is going . well i was going to going a bit. well i was going to say going a bit. well i was going to ooy nenroi— going a bit. well i was going to ooy nenioi o— going a bit. well i was going to say mental a bit— going a bit. well i was going to say mental a bit woke going nenioi. — say mental a bit woke going mental. .what- say mental a bit woke going mental. .what the- say mental a bit woke going. mental. .what the choice say mental a bit woke going- mental. .what the choice is say mental a bit woke going- mweal. .what the choice is say mental a bit woke going- mweal. ihave hat the choice is say mental a bit woke going- mweal. ihave hat monarchy is say mental a bit woke going- mweal. ihave hat monarchy ,s if we don't have the monarchy, we have elected of we will have an elected head of state no more. you imagine? we will have an elected head of statclook�*nore. you imagine? we will have an elected head of statclook around you imagine? we will have an elected head of statclook around . nor imagine? we will have an elected head of statclook around . no morejine? just look around. no more boiiricione— just look around. no more politicians in— no more politicians in candidates. cc politicians in candidates. i'll reu— politicians in candidates. i'll ieii you— politicians in candidates. i'll ieii you wno— politicians in candidates. i'll tell you who does— politicians in candidates. i'll tell you who does annoy me . if tell you who does annoy me. if i can this the leader tell you who does annoy me. if i ca sinn this the leader tell you who does annoy me. if i ca sinn fein this the leader tell you who does annoy me. if i ca sinn fein who's the leader tell you who does annoy me. if i ca sinn fein who's goingaader tell you who does annoy me. if i ca sinn fein who's going to ier tell you who does annoy me. if i ca sinn fein who's going to be of sinn fein who's going to be there. reason why her mps,

there. the reason why her mps, when come to parliament, when they come to parliament, don't they don't come to parliament, don't take their seat is because seat in parliament, is because they swear of they won't swear the oath of allegiance . so what doing allegiance. so what is she doing at don't be at the coronation? i don't be interesting to see whether she swears . we'd like her come interesting to see whether she swand . we'd like her come interesting to see whether she swand . wefor.ike her come interesting to see whether she sw and . wefor herself come interesting to see whether she swand . wefor herself . come in and answer for herself. nonn— in and answer for herself. iioni-enow- in and answer for herself. right. show nothing right. this show is nothing wiinoui— right. this show is nothing without . without you and your views. bere— let's welcome our great british woken— let's welcome our great british voicee iner— let's welcome our great british voices their opportunity to be let's welcome our great british voithe their opportunity to be let's welcome our great british voithe showopportunity to be let's welcome our great british voithe show andrrtunity to be let's welcome our great british voithe show and tell ity to be let's welcome our great british voithe show and tell us to be let's welcome our great british voithe show and tell us what on the show and tell us what ibey— on the show and tell us what ibey-obour— on the show and tell us what they-about-topicsl they think about the topics we're—on this. . they think about the topics. we're—on this. i'm we're discussing on this. i'm going— we're discussing on this. i'm eoni—io- we're discussing on this. i'mi going—to bristol, going to head over to bristol, ociuoiiy— going to head over to bristol, actually,-have- going to head over to bristol,| actually,-have-with actually, and have a chat with wiin— actually, and have a chat with ern on— actually, and have a chat with with oh, jackie. _ actually, and have a chat with with oh, jackie. jackie sampson . koure— with oh, jackie. jackie sampson . you're there— with oh, jackie. jackie sampson . you're there in— with oh, jackie. jackie sampson . you're there in hertfordshire, oen-i— . you're there in hertfordshire, aren't-jackie?— . you're there in hertfordshire,. aren't-jackie?-know aren't you, jackie? i don't know why— aren't you, jackie? i don't know wny—were.- why i thought you were. he was bere— why i thought you were. he was bere-.— why i thought you were. he was nere-. i— why i thought you were. he was nere-. i-nowel here yesterday. i can't have him iwice—nucnl here yesterday. i can't have him iwice—nucn -l twice in a row. it's too much. roo— twice in a row. it's too much. ioo muon— twice in a row. it's too much. ioo nucn or— twice in a row. it's too much. ioo nucn or i— twice in a row. it's too much. too much of a thing. too much of a good thing. rocke— too much of a good thing.| jackie,_think? too much of a good thing.- jackie,_think? what jackie, what do you think? what do jackie, what do you think? what io—iol do you think? are you going to swear. i- do you think? are you going to swear_? i thoughti swear allegiance? i thought charles the charles wanted to modernise the monarchy, i don't see monarchy, and i don't see anything modern about . monarchy, and i don't see anything modern about. i monarchy, and i don't see anything modern about . i know anything modern about. i know it's not an obligatory thing , it's not an obligatory thing, but the idea that 150 million people around the world should swear allegiance in this day and age seems very archaic . and i age seems very archaic. and i think in our modern world, allegiance and support is earnt. and i think that charles needs to prove himself like his mother

did, serve the. yeah, the coronation should be in and provide an allegiance to serve us, not the other way around. and the short answer is i don't think we should be a swear an allegiance. and i most certainly won't be. really? you think you see won't be. really? you think you ii— won't be. really? you think you ii inor— won't be. really? you think you see it that way?— won't be. really? you think you see it that way? i— 1�* t really? you think you see it that way? i think rir1::r1�* t really? you think you see it that way? i think it's rubr— see it that way? i think it's iuer o— see it that way? i think it's iuer o nice— see it that way? i think it's just a nice little- see it that way? i think it's just a nice little touch to get beobie— just a nice little touch to get people involved.— just a nice little touch to get people involved. don't think people involved. i don't think it's people involved. i don't think we oni— people involved. i don't think it's and ithink— people involved. i don't think it's and think your it's and i think it's your bieioino— it's and i think it's your pledging-in- it's and i think it's your pledging-in al it's and i think it's your. pledging-in a way. pledging support in a way. ibey-re—you they're just saying, will you eubbon— they're just saying, will you| eubbon—an they're just saying, will you eubbon—an you they're just saying, will you cuoriike—iini you they're just saying, will you suprlike,-know,-and you they're just saying, will you sup; like, - know, - want you feel like, you know, you want ine— feel like, you know, you want we nonorcny— feel like, you know, you want the monarchy carry feel like, you know, you want the monarchy-carry my the monarchy to carry on? and my wew— the monarchy to carry on? and my view i— the monarchy to carry on? and my ,|ion-i— the monarchy to carry on? and my ,|ion-i-ony— the monarchy to carry on? and my view , don't any more of view, i don't see any more of nose— view, i don't see any more of those flaming— view, i don't see any more of those flaming politicians . those flaming politicians. iockie— those flaming politicians. jackier you— those flaming politicians. jackie, you don't want more boiiiicione— jackie, you don't want more boiiricione .— jackie, you don't want more politicians , right? yeah. so but politicians, right? yeah. so but anyway— politicians, right? yeah. so but onywoy .— politicians, right? yeah. so but anyway , pewte— politicians, right? yeah. so but anyway , people happy and they anyway, people happy and they get anyway, people happy and they oer rogerner— anyway, people happy and they get together and _ anyway, people happy and they get together and they have that or— get together and they have that nice sense of togetherness. incre— nice sense of togetherness. more green — nice sense of togetherness. that's great. exactly i'm going to that's great. exactly i'm going io be— that's great. exactly i'm going io be newne— that's great. exactly i'm going io be nowno o— that's great. exactly i'm going to be having a party party in my sneer— to be having a party party in my once on— to be having a party party in my once on ine— to be having a party party in my street on the sunday. jackie, inonk— street on the sunday. jackie, inonk-eo— street on the sunday. jackie, thank-so much.- street on the sunday. jackie, thank so much. really good street on the sunday. jackie, thrtalk so much. really good street on the sunday. jackie, thrtalk so nthat'sleally good street on the sunday. jackie, thrtalk so nthat's jackiejood to talk to you. that's jackie sunbeon— to talk to you. that's jackie. sunbeon—sne to talk to you. that's jackie. sonnyn—sne to talk to you. that's jackie. sammy great—she to talk to you. that's jackie sammy great british she to talk to you. that's jackie sammy great british voice. he was my great british voice. web,— was my great british voice. weii, youre— was my great british voice. well, you're with me. i'm nana akua— well, you're with me. i'm nana akua-eb— well, you're with me. i'm nana akua-gb-tvi akua this is gb news on tv oniine— akua this is gb news on tv oniine oni— akua this is gb news on tv online and on— akua this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. sroy— online and on digital radio. sroy runei.— online and on digital radio. stay tuned. _up- online and on digital radio. stay tuned. up on the online and on digital radio.- stay tuned. _up on the way stay tuned. coming up on the way at stay tuned. coming up on the way or oroo.— stay tuned. coming up on the way or oroo-weeke— stay tuned. coming up on the way at 5:00. week's difficult at 5:00. this week's difficult conversation. _ at 5:00. this week's difficult conversation. you— at 5:00. this week's difficult conversation. you must stay with me for— conversation. you must stay with me for inor— conversation. you must stay with me for that-i'll— me for that one. i'll be

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the whole thing? i mean, i'm heanng the whole thing? i mean, i'm hearing lot soldiers hearing a lot about soldiers as well army is well and that russia's army is depleted now. it's you know, depleted now. and it's you know, is any is there any truth to any of these rumours? what's happening ? well, yeah, of happening? well, yeah, of ine— happening? well, yeah, of course. the battle- 1�* “g? well, yeah, of course. the battle is raging on in course. the battle is raging on in bokbnui— course. the battle is raging on in bakhmut, of— course. the battle is raging on in bakhmut, of course, the ionoeer— in bakhmut, of course, the ionoeer oni— in bakhmut, of course, the longest and the- in bakhmut, of course, the longest and the bloodiest battle in longest and the bloodiest battle in ine— longest and the bloodiest battle in ine wnoie— longest and the bloodiest battle in the whole of— longest and the bloodiest battle in the whole of this conflict. nowi_ in the whole of this conflict. wow, wnoi— in the whole of this conflict. now, what you're— in the whole of this conflict. now, what you're referring to is the now, what you're referring to is we wooner— now, what you're referring to is the wagner pmc,_ now, what you're referring to is the wagner pmc, the private niiiiory— the wagner pmc, the private military company, and its ieoien— military company, and its leader, yevgeny prigozhin, who eoii — leader, yevgeny prigozhin, who eoii .— leader, yevgeny prigozhin, who eoii , were— leader, yevgeny prigozhin, who said , we're running low on ammo said, we're running low on ammo oni— said, we're running low on ammo oni we— said, we're running low on ammo oni we nove— said, we're running low on ammo and we have really,— said, we're running low on ammo and we have really, really high ioeeee— and we have really, really high ioeeee. iini— and we have really, really high losses. and prigozhin is ociuoiiy— losses. and prigozhin is actually said- losses. and prigozhin is actually said that he well has inreorenei— actually said that he well has threatened the— actually said that he well has threatened the kremlin to wiinirow— threatened the kremlin to withdraw his— threatened the kremlin to withdraw his troops. it could be a withdraw his troops. it could be o-bii— withdraw his troops. it could be o-biilnini— withdraw his troops. it could bei a-bitlmind-going a little bit of mind games going on—brwore- on between the private military conbony— on between the private military conbony oni— on between the private military company and the— on between the private military company and the kremlin. so you bowe— company and the kremlin. so you nuke-ne— company and the kremlin. so you have-his words— company and the kremlin. so you have-his words with- company and the kremlin. so you have his words with a have to take his words with a iiiiie—bur- have to take his words with a little—but the l little pinch of salt. but the neor— little pinch of salt. but the meat grinder— little pinch of salt. but the meat grinder really does keep going— meat grinder really does keep going .— meat grinder really does keep going , keeb— meat grinder really does keep going, keep grinding bakhmut going, keep grinding in bakhmut . in— going, keep grinding in bakhmut . i-n rubr— going, keep grinding in bakhmut . i-n iuer conno— going, keep grinding in bakhmut . i'm just coming back to the ire— . i'm just coming back to the be in— . i'm just coming back to the fire in sevastopol_ . i'm just coming back to the fire in sevastopol in crimea . fire in sevastopol in crimea. ur..— fire in sevastopol in crimea. un incre— fire in sevastopol in crimea. uh, that's actually part of a inger— uh, that's actually part of a larger ukrainian— uh, that's actually part of a larger ukrainian offensive . two larger ukrainian offensive. two ionee— larger ukrainian offensive. two ionee nu— larger ukrainian offensive. two drones hit four— larger ukrainian offensive. two drones hit four oil— larger ukrainian offensive. two drones hit four oil tankers in sewoeroboi— drones hit four oil tankers in sevastopol as— drones hit four oil tankers in sevastopol as we _ drones hit four oil tankers in sevastopol as we know, crimea

onneei by— sevastopol as we know, crimea was annexed by russia in 2014, zeienekyy— was annexed by russia in 2014, zeienekyy coii— was annexed by russia in 2014, zelenskyy said during the week inor— zelenskyy said during the week inor ne— zelenskyy said during the week inor ne ioee— zelenskyy said during the week that he does have— zelenskyy said during the week that he does have designs on crineo— that he does have designs on crineo oni— that he does have designs on crimea and wanting to regain crineo— crimea and wanting to regain crineo iron — crimea and wanting to regain crimea from russian control, as web— crimea from russian control, as web oe— crimea from russian control, as web oe inoee— crimea from russian control, as well as those four— crimea from russian control, as well as those four annexe reoionc— well as those four annexe regions, including donbas , regions, including donbas, zaporizhzhia_ regions, including donbas, zaporizhzhia and also luhansk oni— zaporizhzhia and also luhansk oni bonerek— zaporizhzhia and also luhansk and donetsk people's republic . and donetsk people's republic. yesr_ and donetsk people's republic. wee, now— and donetsk people's republic. wee, inor— and donetsk people's republic. yes, now that is— and donetsk people's republic. yes, now that is the overall bion— yes, now that is the overall own from — yes, now that is the overall plan from the— yes, now that is the overall plan from the ukrainian side , of plan from the ukrainian side, of course, as we know, the motto iron— course, as we know, the motto iron ine— course, as we know, the motto from the ukrainian side has been inrouonour— from the ukrainian side has been throughout-war— from the ukrainian side has been throughout war that every throughout this war that every einiie— throughout this war that every einiie-or— throughout this war that every single of ukraine will be single piece of ukraine will be reiurnei— single piece of ukraine will be returned before _ single piece of ukraine will be returned before they have any ieeiine— returned before they have any ieeiine on— returned before they have any designs on sitting down at the neooriorino— designs on sitting down at the negotiating table. but yeah, the boiiie — negotiating table. but yeah, the bone nono— negotiating table. but yeah, the battle raging on.— negotiating table. but yeah, the battle raging on. and of course, negotiating table. but yeah, the battthis ging on. and of course, negotiating table. but yeah, the batt this attack1. and of course, negotiating table. but yeah, the batt this attack in and of course, negotiating table. but yeah, the batt this attack in sevastopolse, this this attack in sevastopol is this this attack in sevastopol ie bon— this this attack in sevastopol is bow or— this this attack in sevastopol ie bow or i— this this attack in sevastopol is part of a ukrainian counter—offensive. \r1::ou1 is part of a ukrainian- counter—offensive. now, what obour— counter—offensive. now, what about now? was there an attempt on putin's life? is that is that a true, true story . well, yeah, a true, true story. well, yeah, it is a true, true story. well, yeah, i ie irue. — a true, true story. well, yeah, it is true. but— a true, true story. well, yeah, it is true. but of— well, yeah, it is true. but of course, these bronco— it is true. but of course, these eioriee ore— it is true. but of course, these stories are very— it is true. but of course, these stories are very ,_ it is true. but of course, these stories are very , very layered. stories are very, very layered. nowi_ stories are very, very layered. now inc— stories are very, very layered. now inc ie— stories are very, very layered. now, this is the— stories are very, very layered. now, this is the story that a konikoze— now, this is the story that a kamikaze drone— now, this is the story that a kamikaze drone was sent to a iniuerrioi— kamikaze drone was sent to a industrial complex in moscow ,

industrial complex in moscow, obboreany— industrial complex in moscow, obboreany ro— industrial complex in moscow, apparently to target vladimir runn— apparently to target vladimir rurin. wow,— apparently to target vladimir putin. now, the— apparently to target vladimir putin. now, the ukrainian side, of course, activists— putin. now, the ukrainian side, of course, activists have said inor— of course, activists have said inor ibey— of course, activists have said that they flew— of course, activists have said that they flew this drone inrouon— that they flew this drone through all— that they flew this drone through all the air defences inor— through all the air defences that russia— through all the air defences that russia could offer and it crocbei— that russia could offer and it crashed, landed— that russia could offer and it crashed, landed around about zokn— crashed, landed around about 20kn owoy— crashed, landed around about 20km away from _ crashed, landed around about 20km away from the industrial coanek— 20km away from the industrial coanek .— 20km away from the industrial coanek. ire— 20km away from the industrial complex . it's believed that complex. it's believed that someone inside— complex. it's believed that someone inside putin's circle noi— someone inside putin's circle noi ieokei— someone inside putin's circle had leaked the— someone inside putin's circle had leaked the fact that he wouii— had leaked the fact that he would visit— had leaked the fact that he would visit this— had leaked the fact that he would visit this industrial coanek— would visit this industrial complex and— would visit this industrial complex and the ukrainians ieciiei— complex and the ukrainians ieciiei io— complex and the ukrainians decided to seize that obbonuniry- decided to seize that opportunity and send that konikoze— opportunity and send that kamikaze drone. now it could be just kamikaze drone. now it could be we i— kamikaze drone. now it could be we i iiiiie— kamikaze drone. now it could be just a little bit— kamikaze drone. now it could be just a little bit of— kamikaze drone. now it could be just a little bit of posturing or ii— just a little bit of posturing or ii couii— just a little bit of posturing or it could be— just a little bit of posturing or it could be just little bit just a little bit of posturing or boasting)e just little bit just a little bit of posturing or boasting and st little bit just a little bit of posturing or boasting and mind ttle bit just a little bit of posturing or boasting and mind games from of boasting and mind games from the of boasting and mind games from ine—yeon- the ukrainian side. but yeah, konikoze— the ukrainian side. but yeah, kamikaze drones— the ukrainian side. but yeah, kamikaze drones sent to vladimir runn— kamikaze drones sent to vladimir ruiin oni— kamikaze drones sent to vladimir putin and crashing— kamikaze drones sent to vladimir putin and crashing down. i mean, irnink— putin and crashing down. i mean, iinink ire— putin and crashing down. i mean, iinink ir-e rubr— putin and crashing down. i mean, i think it's just basically the ukroinion— i think it's just basically the ukrainian side— i think it's just basically the ukrainian side saying, look, we bowe— ukrainian side saying, look, we noweon-— ukrainian side saying, look, we have-on putin- ukrainian side saying, look, we have-on putin and- ukrainian side saying, look, we have on putin and we can have designs on putin and we can reocn— have designs on putin and we can eon—— have designs on putin and we can reach _, although. reach him if we want, although it reach him if we want, although i iii— reach him if we want, although i iii croon— reach him if we want, although it did crash. just— reach him if we want, although it did crash. just just short of its it did crash. just just short of be burger. — it did crash. just just short of its target. well,— it did crash. just just short of its target. well, there's a lot of its target. well, there's a lot or beobie— its target. well, there's a lot of people probably designed of people probably got designed on ieeiine— of people probably got designed on designs-him. _ of people probably got designed on designs him. 1 on designs on him. anyway, thank you danny. really on designs on him. anyway, thank you to danny. really on designs on him. anyway, thank you to you. ny. really on designs on him. anyway, thank you to you. that'stlly good to talk to you. that's danny . he's a russian danny armstrong. he's a russian expert over to expert now travelling over to america and over to the host of the politics people podcast , the politics people podcast, paul duddridge. paul really good to talk to you. talk to me about

biden, biden's fundraiser and what's happening with him. i mean, he's actually talking about mad ? about running again. is he mad? he can't run. he's he's he can't run . no, he's talking about run. no, he's talking about ciuanino— run. no, he's talking about stumbling again.- 1�* no, he's talking about stumbling again. but yes , he's stumbling again. but yes, he's he announced— stumbling again. but yes, he's he announced on— stumbling again. but yes, he's he announced on tuesday . �*vw�*rz; he announced on tuesday. we broke— he announced on tuesday. we broke ibe— he announced on tuesday. we broke the news— he announced on tuesday. we broke the news last— he announced on tuesday. we broke the news last week he was going announce on tuesday. broke the news last week he was gointrue announce on tuesday. broke the news last week he was gointrue an|form,e on tuesday. broke the news last week he was gointrue an|form,e ordidesday. broke the news last week he was gointrue an|form,e ordid .;day. and true to form, he did. fundraising_ and true to form, he did. fundraising is- and true to form, he did. fundraising is not going well. runiroieer— fundraising is not going well. fundraiser is— fundraising is not going well. fundraiser is if— fundraising is not going well. fundraiser is if that's an iniicoior— fundraiser is if that's an indicator of— fundraiser is if that's an indicator of the amount of excitement— indicator of the amount of excitement in— indicator of the amount of excitement in his own party. i numb— excitement in his own party. i mean, trump raised- excitement in his own party. i mean, trump raised like- excitement in his own party. i mean, trump raised like 18 million over the last couple of weeks and biden's on like seven and biden , former vice president and biden, former vice president biden is technically the resident of the white house. and you'd think that there would be more of a hoopla, more ekcireneni— be more of a hoopla, more ekciieneni. — be more of a hoopla, more excitement . so- be more of a hoopla, more excitement . be more of a hoopla, more excitement. be more of a hoopla, more- excitement . so this is not going be more of a hoopla, more- excitevery: . so this is not going be more of a hoopla, more- excitevery well 0 this is not going be more of a hoopla, more- excitevery well withs is not going be more of a hoopla, more- excitevery well with the not going be more of a hoopla, more- excitevery well with the dnc. ding down very well with the dnc. again i don't it's an outside bet, but i don't see him actually making it to the final actually making it to the final actual election next year. not in any kind of medical way. but just think that the there's- just think that the there's a lot just think that the there's a ioi or— just think that the there's a lot of tectonic— just think that the there's a lot of tectonic plates moving in the lot of tectonic plates moving in we buc— lot of tectonic plates moving in we bwc io— lot of tectonic plates moving in the dnc to have— lot of tectonic plates moving in the dnc to have him replaced before— the dnc to have him replaced beiore neor— the dnc to have him replaced before next november or replaced ern— before next november or replaced wiin wnon—

before next november or replaced wiin wnon e — before next november or replaced with whom ? “f: , with whom? replaced by what? with whom they don't have anybody, do they ? well, we've anybody, do they? well, we've got it. anybody, do they? well, we've oor ir. ibey-we— anybody, do they? well, we've got it. they've got— 13“«i : i:i1::it1“r1:;«o?’ well, we've got it. they've got newsom 31) : i:i1::it1“r1:;«o?’ well, we've got it. they've got newsom in coiiiornio— got it. they've got newsom in california and _ got it. they've got newsom in california and he's coming up on the california and he's coming up on we robe— california and he's coming up on we roiie oe— california and he's coming up on the rails as being— california and he's coming up on the rails as being the most iiker— the rails as being the most iiker io— the rails as being the most iiker ro be— the rails as being the most likely to be able to find iuniini— likely to be able to find funding . — likely to be able to find funding . ang- likely to be able to find funding . “g likely to be able to find- funding . ang profile coming out funding. ang profile coming out of a massive state. it is possible that— of a massive state. it is possible that they- it is possible that they could end of a massive state. it is- possible that they could end up wiin— possible that they could end up ern o— possible that they could end up with a newsom— possible that they could end up with a newsom candidate. “i; with a newsom candidate. they cerioiniy— with a newsom candidate. they cerioiniy ion-i— with a newsom candidate. they certainly don't want— with a newsom candidate. they certainly don't want kamala because no matter what, with all the all the anti trump prejudice , it's likely that trump could beat kamala. it's unlikely iiker— beat kamala. it's unlikely iiker wiin— beat kamala. it's unlikely likely with the— it's unlikely likely with the current stats , likely with the current stats, ine— likely with the current stats, be way— likely with the current stats, ine woy ine— likely with the current stats, the way the dnc machine works is inor— the way the dnc machine works is inor ine— the way the dnc machine works is inor ine biien— the way the dnc machine works is that the biden would lose. this is that the biden would lose. this is ine— that the biden would lose. this is the problem.— that the biden would lose. this is the problem. but i don't innk— is the problem. but i don't inink nee— is the problem. but i don't think he's actually going to bowe— think he's actually going to nowe ine— think he's actually going to have the financial support to be obie—o- have the financial support to be obie—o weryl able to get there. it's a very iook—iour- able to get there. it's a veryi look,-taut position look, it's a very taut position in or— look, it's a very taut position we're in at the— look, it's a very taut position we're in at the moment because in we're in at the moment because in 2016,— we're in at the moment because in 2016, ine— we're in at the moment because in 2016, the dnc— we're in at the moment because in 2016, the dnc really arnie ibey— in 2016, the dnc really arnie iney ronoiee— in 2016, the dnc really arnie they tortoise and _ in 2016, the dnc really arnie they tortoise and the hare . they they tortoise and the hare. they iiin-i— they tortoise and the hare. they didn't realise— they tortoise and the hare. they didn't realise that— they tortoise and the hare. they didn't realise that they had to do didn't realise that they had to io ony— didn't realise that they had to do any campaigning at all and ibey— do any campaigning at all and ibey ioe.— do any campaigning at all and they lost. they're— do any campaigning at all and they lost. they're never going to they lost. they're never going io—nieioke- they lost. they're never going to_mistake again. they lost. they're never going to_mistake again .i they lost. they're never going- to_mistake again . they to make that mistake again. they now— to make that mistake again. they throw—kitchen. throw everything in the kitchen unk—

throw everything in the kitchen eink connec— throw everything in the kitchen sink against trump every single ine. —bwc| sink against trump every single ine. _ch .i time. and of course the dnc. you're talking the you're talking about the democratic ? just so democratic party, right? just so when you say i beg your pardon. yes democratic yes yes the democratic party. yes can we just move on to trump now? calling biden crooked now? trump calling biden crooked biden. yeah. no, now? trump calling biden crooked biden . yeah. no, listen, now? trump calling biden crooked biden. yeah. no, listen, i'm now? trump calling biden crooked biden . yeah. no, listen, i'm the biden. yeah. no, listen, i'm the worii-e— biden. yeah. no, listen, i'm the worii-e biooeei— : yeah. no, listen, i'm the world's biggest trump fan. but so be— world's biggest trump fan. but so be ueei— world's biggest trump fan. but so be ueei io— world's biggest trump fan. but so he used to call— world's biggest trump fan. but so he used to call hillary crookei— so he used to call hillary crooked hillary- so he used to call hillary crooked hillary . and instead of crooked hillary. and instead of he crooked hillary. and instead of ne noon-i— crooked hillary. and instead of he hasn't been— crooked hillary. and instead of he hasn't been able come up he hasn't been able to come up wiin— he hasn't been able to come up ern o— he hasn't been able to come up ern irene-— he hasn't been able to come up with a name biden. mn with a new name for biden. now it's with a new name for biden. now iii ike.— with a new name for biden. now iii iike. wnon— with a new name for biden. now it's like, what, in— with a new name for biden. now it's like, what, in six— with a new name for biden. now it's like, what, in six years? and just he's basically and so he's just he's basically rubr— and so he's just he's basically iuer ioken— and so he's just he's basically just taken the _ and so he's just he's basically just taken the name off hillary oni— just taken the name off hillary oni now— just taken the name off hillary oni ire— just taken the name off hillary and now it's crooked joe biden . and now it's crooked joe biden. inn— and now it's crooked joe biden. in i— and now it's crooked joe biden. in i bii— and now it's crooked joe biden. i'm a bit disappointed. i- and now it's crooked joe biden. a r: “air: i would i'm a bit disappointed. i would have thought he— i'm a bit disappointed. i would have thought he could- i'm a bit disappointed. i would. have thought he could-come have thought he could have come up_goodl up with something. he's so good at up with something. he's so goodi oi—bur at coming up with nicknames, but nee— at coming up with nicknames, but ne-e rubr— at coming up with nicknames, but he's just retired— at coming up with nicknames, but he's just retired it— at coming up with nicknames, but he's just retired it from wiiiory— he's just retired it from wiiiory oni— he's just retired it from hillary and handed it over to joe hillary and handed it over to ioe crookei— hillary and handed it over to joe crooked joe— hillary and handed it over to joe crooked joe biden. so that's wnoi— joe crooked joe biden. so that's wiii-now— joe crooked joe biden. so that's wiii-now .— joe crooked joe biden. so that's what now , crooked joe what we have now, crooked joe biden. so it'sjust what we have now, crooked joe biden. so it's just that that's going— biden. so it's just that that's going io— biden. so it's just that that's going rolrne— : 1“ so it's just that that's going to the nickname going to be the nickname from on-ic-i- going to be the nickname from now on,-is,-i said,l going to be the nickname from nowa n,-is,-i said,l going to be the nickname from nowa little is, i said, going to be the nickname from nowa little bit is, i said, going to be the nickname from nowa little bit disappointed, going to be the nickname from nowa little bit disappointed on i'm a little bit disappointed on a i'm a little bit disappointed on o bereonoi— i'm a little bit disappointed on a personal because i think a personal level because i think inor— a personal level because i think inn-aor— a personal level because i think that-gotlbetter- a personal level because i think that got better grasp that trump's got a better grasp of nicknonino— that trump's got a better grasp of nicknaming people than than any oiern— of nicknaming people than than any modern politician has ever been— any modern politician has ever been obie— any modern politician has ever been obie io— any modern politician has ever been able to handle. but anyway, so incre— been able to handle. but anyway, so there we are. so it's crooked been able to handle. but anyway, so 1biden/e are. so it's crooked been able to handle. but anyway, so 1biden/e are. sonow crooked been able to handle. but anyway, so 1biden/e are. sonow and ked joe biden between now and november 24th. well, perhaps

he's trying to deflect it off himself because that would make more me. he's trying to more sense to me. he's trying to ieiieci— more sense to me. he's trying to ieiieci. —iike - more sense to me. he's trying to deflect._like too- deflect. but i like i like too eieeby— deflect. but i like i like too eieeby ioe.— deflect. but i like i like too sleepy joe. sleepy joe biden was berry— sleepy joe. sleepy joe biden was brerry good— sleepy joe. sleepy joe biden was pretty good because stuck pretty good because that stuck becue— pretty good because that stuck becue ioe— pretty good because that stuck because joe biden did almost pretty good because that stuck beccasleepz biden did almost pretty good because that stuck beccasleepz bidfewiid almost pretty good because that stuck beccasleepz bid few things ost pretty good because that stuck beccasleepz bidfew things . fall asleep at a few things. i ogree — fall asleep at a few things. i oreeg i— fall asleep at a few things. i agree. i totally— fall asleep at a few things. i agree. i totally agree- fall asleep at a few things. i agree. i totally agree with you. the thing is , maybe sleepy is a the thing is, maybe sleepy is a little affectionate, even little bit affectionate, even like the correspondents dinner last night , the lead comedian last night, the lead comedian was making jokes about biden falling asleep all the time. and they were all having a laugh they were all having a big laugh about he people are about it. maybe he people are actually to know that actually relieved to know that biden of the day biden sleeps most of the day through his presidency. it's through his presidency. so it's you know, it's actually probably working against trump. so he's gone crooked . we'll see how gone for crooked. we'll see how that plays but know that plays out. but i don't know what he's going to hillary what he's going to call hillary in god, yeah. in future. oh god, yeah. hillary. well, she can't come back— hillary. well, she can't come bock oni— hillary. well, she can't come back and kamala is no good. iieien— back and kamala is no good. listen, fascinating listen, it's fascinating oncning— listen, it's fascinating watching american listen, it's fascinating- watching-american political watching the american political eyeren —in- system and the machine in ooeroiion— system and the machine in operation. duddridge , operation. paul duddridge, onoye— operation. paul duddridge,. onoye—you always a pleasure. thank you so nucn— always a pleasure. thank you so much-joining— always a pleasure. thank you so much .joining me.— always a pleasure. thank you so much joining me. that's paul much forjoining me. that's paul buiiriige— much forjoining me. that's paul duddridpeople_ much forjoining me. that's paul duddridpeople podcast. politics people podcast. thank you— politics people podcast. thank you-nucn— politics people podcast. thank you-much. wow. _ politics people podcast. thank you much. wow. can't believe you so much. wow. can't believe it, you so much. wow. can't believe ii rignie— you so much. wow. can't believe it, right? you're— you so much. wow. can't believe it, right? you're watching me. in — it, right? you're watching me. in bonu— it, right? you're watching me. i'm nana akua.— it, right? you're watching me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. were— i'm nana akua. this is gb news. were-iv— i'm nana akua. this is gb news. were-iv .— i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we're-tv , online- i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we're tv , online and on we're live on tv, online and on roiio— we're live on tv, online and on roiio-you-re- we're live on tv, online and on

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nurses have agreed to keep limited staff on over serious concerns about patient safety dunng concerns about patient safety during the walkout, nhs england says emergency and urgent care remains the priority and they're urging the public to use the health service wisely . steve health service wisely. steve barclay the health secretary, says he's hopeful the dispute can be resolved . the staff can be resolved. the staff councii— can be resolved. the staff councii ii— can be resolved. the staff council is due— can be resolved. the staff council is due to- f 1“ : the staff council is due to meet on iuecon— council is due to meet on iueion. in— council is due to meet on tuesday. i'm cautiously obiniiic— tuesday. i'm cautiously optimistic that the staff councii— optimistic that the staff council will— optimistic that the staff council will agree to then vote in council will agree to then vote in iowour— council will agree to then vote in iowour or— council will agree to then vote in favour of the— council will agree to then vote in favour of the deal, but i innk— in favour of the deal, but i iii iii— in favour of the deal, but i think it's right— in favour of the deal, but i think it's right to wait until iueion— think it's right to wait until iueion bor— think it's right to wait until tuesday for the— think it's right to wait until tuesday for the staff council to neei— tuesday for the staff council to neei oni — tuesday for the staff council to meet and this— tuesday for the staff council to meet and this strike is brenorure. — meet and this strike is premature. i- meet and this strike is premature. i think it's disrespectful to the other trade i— disrespectful to the other trade unions. i think— disrespectful to the other trade unions. i think the- disrespectful to the other trade unions. 3c\r disrespectful to the other trade unions. 3c\ : unions. i think the rcn should have waited though . a member of have waited though. a member of the have waited though. a member of we iron— have waited though. a member of the staff council,— have waited though. a member of the staff council, they— air: 3 a member of the staff council, they were part— the staff council, they were non of— the staff council, they were part of negotiations and as part of the negotiations and as i coy,— part of the negotiations and as i coy, iii— part of the negotiations and as i say, pat cullen— part of the negotiations and as i say, pat cullen herself anonnon— i say, pat cullen herself rhiannon mended this deal to her rnernercb— rhiannon mended this deal to her rnernerib. ibe— rhiannon mended this deal to her members. the prime— rhiannon mended this deal to her members . 3” i“! 1“ members. the prime minister's criticised selfish saboteurs who forced traffic to go slowly. rishi sunak told the sun on sunday he wants to put a stop to the tactic amid plans to push through measures that would

widen the legal definition of serious disruption. that would then enable officers to stop activists interfering with traffic . labour, though, says traffic. labour, though, says the government is merely chasing headlines. police in texas are searching for the suspect of a mass shooting in the town of cleveland on friday. authorities say the suspect killed five of his neighbours, including an eight year old boy when the family asked him to stop firing a semi—automatic weapon in his garden, the suspect , who is garden, the suspect, who is mexican, is believed , though, to mexican, is believed, though, to have fled the united states . the have fled the united states. the british army has begun rehearsals for the coronation of king charles soldiers from all divisions of the armed forces have gathered at training areas across south london to prepare for what will be the biggest event of their careers. ceremonially that is, soldiers have flown home from operational dufies have flown home from operational duties or training exercises from as far afield as cyprus , from as far afield as cyprus, iraq, kenya and estonia to

represent their regiments at the event. represent their regiments at the event . meanwhile, event. meanwhile, representatives from the nation's faith communities will play nation's faith communities will play an active role in the coronation for the first time when king charles is crowned leaders from jewish, hindu, sikh, muslim and buddhist groups will deliver a greeting to the king in unison the archbishop of canterbury says the service will be formed post an act of christian worship. but new elements will reflect the diversity of modern society and the stone of destiny has been welcomed to england in a special ceremony ahead of the event . it ceremony ahead of the event. it dates back to the 12th century and is normally on display at edinburgh castle. it will sit under the king's throne next week. it's been used in coronations for nearly a thousand years. more as it happens, as always here on gb news. but for the moment it's back to nana .

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buiineii— scott nugent. was a successful business sales— scott nugent. was a successful business sales executive named keiiy— business sales executive named keiiy king— business sales executive named keiiy king, o— business sales executive named keiiy king, o rob— business sales executive named kelly king, a top former earner wno— kelly king, a top former earner wno enei— kelly king, a top former earner who earned various awards recogniion— who earned various awards recognition. however at the age of recognition. however at the age i in— recognition. however at the age i i2, ne— recognition. however at the age i i2, ne noie— recognition. however at the age of 42, he made the difficult ieciiion— of 42, he made the difficult decision to _ of 42, he made the difficult decision to transition from a ierion— decision to transition from a ierion io— decision to transition from a ierion io o— decision to transition from a lesbian to a transgender man. an— lesbian to a transgender man. an iuring— lesbian to a transgender man. and during his— lesbian to a transgender man. and during his medical transition— and during his medical transition ,_ and during his medical transition , scott faced numerous transition, scott faced numerous coanicoiioni— transition, scott faced numerous complications that— transition, scott faced numerous complications that left him with ii— complications that left him with over $1 million— complications that left him with over $1 million in— complications that left him with over $1 million in medical expenses and— over $1 million in medical expenses and caused him to lose everyrning— expenses and caused him to lose eweryrning ne— expenses and caused him to lose everything he has— expenses and caused him to lose everything he has worked for, inciuiing— everything he has worked for, including his— everything he has worked for, including his home, his career, oni— including his home, his career, oni bii— including his home, his career, and his marriage— including his home, his career, and his marriage .— including his home, his career, and his marriage . and despite and his marriage. and despite inece— and his marriage. and despite these challenges, scott never gove— these challenges, scott never gowe ub— these challenges, scott never gowe up. be— these challenges, scott never gowe up. be wii— these challenges, scott never gave up. he was determined to be incre— gave up. he was determined to be inere ior— gave up. he was determined to be inere ior bii— gave up. he was determined to be there for his three— gave up. he was determined to be there for his three teenage cniiiren— there for his three teenage children and— there for his three teenage children and pushed through the non— children and pushed through the non oni— children and pushed through the pain and adversity, inspiring orneri— pain and adversity, inspiring orneri wiin— pain and adversity, inspiring others with his— pain and adversity, inspiring others with his story of perseverance - others with his story of perseverance . he's the founder perseverance. he's the founder of perseverance. he's the founder oi ine— perseverance. he's the founder i we irowei— perseverance. he's the founder of the travel voices, a group of ironc— of the travel voices, a group of trans educators— of the travel voices, a group of trans educators who oppose rocioi— trans educators who oppose racial gender— trans educators who oppose racial gender activism and seek to racial gender activism and seek io eiucoie— racial gender activism and seek to educate politicians and ioniiiei— to educate politicians and families about— to educate politicians and families about the reality of genier— families about the reality of gender dysphoria . and i'm very gender dysphoria. and i'm very bieoiei— gender dysphoria. and i'm very bieoiei io— gender dysphoria. and i'm very bieoiei ro coy— gender dysphoria. and i'm very pleased to say that i'm joined by ine— pleased to say that i'm joined by the founder— pleased to say that i'm joined by the founder of— pleased to say that i'm joined by the founder of trade voices, icon— by the founder of trade voices, scoii nugen— by the founder of trade voices, scott nugent. he's live in the iiuiio— scott nugent. he's live in the ewe now— scott nugent. he's live in the studio now. scott,— scott nugent. he's live in the studio now. scott, welcome and ink— studio now. scott, welcome and ink you— studio now. scott, welcome and thank you-much- studio now. scott, welcome and thank you much joining thank you very much for joining _e- thank you very much for joiningi —o greoi me. thank you. that was a great

iniro. —ne- me. thank you. that was a great iniro. —ne ii- me. thank you. that was a great iniro. —ne ii goi| intro. it kind of got me it got me a little verklempt. well, it's just incredible.- c well, it's just incredible. although c well, it's aret incredible. although c well, it's are fighting)le. although c well, it's are fighting againstough c well, it's are fighting against aigh c well, it's are fighting against a mobile we are fighting against a mobile bnone—noking- phone in the studio making a none— phone in the studio making a inor— phone in the studio making a noise that that's— phone in the studio making a noise that that's your phone. so youre— noise that that's your phone. so youe nucn— noise that that's your phone. so you're much more— noise that that's your phone. so you're much more graceful than me . ii— you're much more graceful than me . i-i be— you're much more graceful than me . i'd be throwing- you're much more graceful than me . “i; “g you're much more graceful than me . “i; “i; me. i'd be throwing something at somebody. i if you'd get somebody. i wonder if you'd get the somebody. i wonder if you'd get inc—inoi-il the floor manager. yeah, that'd be green — the floor manager. yeah, that'd be green iii— the floor manager. yeah, that'd be great. i'll-it— the floor manager. yeah, that'd be great. i'll-it-so- be great. i'll turn it off. so ioik— be great. i'll turn it off. so ioik io— be great. i'll turn it off. so talk to-about- be great. i'll turn it off. so talk to about then, talk to me about you then, scorn— talk to me about you then, scorn-i- talk to me about you then, scott,-i came- talk to me about you then,l scott,-i came across talk to me about you then,- scott,-i came across you scott, because i came across you on-inrerner— scott, because i came across you on-inrerner .— scott, because i came across you on-inrerner . i— scott, because i came across you on internet . i listened to on the internet. i listened to your— on the internet. i listened to your crow.— on the internet. i listened to your irory. i— on the internet. i listened to your story. i found it incredibly- your story. i found it incredibly empowering, a very boiiionoie. — incredibly empowering, a very passionate. and— incredibly empowering, a very passionate. and i— incredibly empowering, a very passionate. and i wanted to reoiiy— passionate. and i wanted to reoiiy ger— passionate. and i wanted to reoiiy ger you— passionate. and i wanted to really get you in— passionate. and i wanted to really get you in and talk to you.— really get you in and talk to you-conn— really get you in and talk to you. can't believe that you. and i can't believe that you—way- you. and i can't believe that you—way iii- you. and i can't believe that you _way all the. you. and i can't believe that. you _way all the way you. and i can't believe that- you _way all the way to you made your way all the way to the .absolutely. _ you made your way all the way to the absolutely. come and the uk. absolutely. to come and ink— the uk. absolutely. to come and ioik io— the uk. absolutely. to come and ioik io-inii.- the uk. absolutely. to come and talk to _this. .can. talk to me about this. so can you— talk to me about this. so can you-oi— talk to me about this. so can you-oi-ne- talk to me about this. so can you-of-melthe. you sort of start me at the beginning— you sort of start me at the beginning-you- you sort of start me at the beginning you and kind of beginning about you and kind of your— beginning about you and kind of your-oni— beginning about you and kind of your-oni wny— beginning about you and kind of your-oni wny ii— beginning about you and kind of your and why it was that your life and why it was that you— your life and why it was that. you—bornwoyc you ended up on the pathways inor— you ended up on the pathways in you— you ended up on the pathways run you iii— you ended up on the pathways that you did going through this bonicqur— that you did going through this particular transition? absolutely. _ particular transition? absolutely. that's- particular transition? absolutely. that's a long story. i'll try kind it i'll try to kind of shorten it iown. —con- i'll try to kind of shorten it- down. _can understand down. so people can understand at, at at 42, i was in a very vulnerable place. i was a lesbian , but i had started to lesbian, but i had started to come to the place where i was kind of accepting who i was, kind of accepting who i was, kind strong , kind of a strong, very strong, dominant woman. and even at 42,

being successful and being that age in in that place, in my life , i was married to a woman who was just despised being a lesbian. and that was always in the back of my mind . and so one the back of my mind. and so one day we were watching— the back of my mind. and so one day we were watching tv- i “i: and so one day we were watching tv and she coii— day we were watching tv and she iiii io— day we were watching tv and she iiii io ne— day we were watching tv and she said to me that— day we were watching tv and she said to me that ,_ day we were watching tv and she said to me that , you know, maybe said to me that, you know, maybe , noybe— said to me that, you know, maybe , noybe you— said to me that, you know, maybe , noybe you wee— said to me that, you know, maybe , maybe you were born in the wrong— , maybe you were born in the wrong bon— , maybe you were born in the wrong bon or— , maybe you were born in the wrong body or were watching a inow. — wrong body or were watching a inow. an— wrong body or were watching a show. and i heard _ wrong body or were watching a show. 1 wrong body or were watching a show. and i heard somebody say that on tv. and to her, that on tv. and i said to her, sorry— that on tv. and i said to her, sorry .— that on tv. and i said to her, sorry ,-r_ that on tv. and i said to her, sorry ,-r-bam- that on tv. and i said to her,l sorry ,-i-born.the sorry, maybe i was born in the wrong—just- sorry, maybe i was born in thei wrong—just kini sorry, maybe i was born in the- wrong _just kind of wrong body. and she just kind of honed know honed in on that, like, you know , i'm lesbian. , yeah, i'm not a lesbian. you're man and a woman's you're just a man and a woman's body the next body kind of thing. and the next week i found myself sitting in front of a transgender who front of a transgender woman who asked me, how long have been asked me, how long have you been dressing ? i've dressing like a man? and i've never a man. but never dressed like a man. but that one sentence kind of changed of my changed the trajectory of my life and kind pushed me down life and kind of pushed me down the road medically transition the road to medically transition . can we see now that's, you know,— . can we see now that's, you know, inor— . can we see now that's, you now, in you — can we see now that's, you know, that you know, that is increiibie— know, that you know, that is incredible, that— know, that you know, that is incredible, that one person oning— incredible, that one person oning one— incredible, that one person saying one thing can affect put you in— saying one thing can affect put you in inor— saying one thing can affect put you in inor woy. — saying one thing can affect put you in that way. �*siiicc “ri”ri you in that way. well, here's the thing . and i don't think

the thing. and i don't think people understand this. we're so we're so at place where we're so at the place where nobody's listening anybody. nobody's listening to anybody. we've got one side over here that screaming. and in in that is screaming. and in in those screamers underneath them are some nice people who are some really nice people who really whatever is really believe whatever it is that the other person's screaming. over here is screaming. but over here is screaming. but over here is screaming. and there's screaming. and then there's really over here really nice people over here that they're that believe what they're screaming about. in screaming about. but in the middle the information. and middle is the information. and unfortunately, getting unfortunately, nobody's getting the information. so the information is this is when you do not fit in in society , do not fit in in society, whether you be same sex attracted, these people that are being pulled to this, whether it makes anybody irritated or not, they are same sex attracted, they are same sex attracted, they are same sex attracted, they are autistic, they are, you know, basically mentally gifted. they are mentally ill. they're all the people that don't belong in society. in a time in adolescence when that's the only thing that you want to do . so if thing that you want to do. so if you are 13, 14 years old and somebody says that you can fit in, that's really hard to get rid of. it was hard for me to get rid of at 42. wow. so our children have absolutely no, no

chance with that. now, with that being said , nana, there are some being said, nana, there are some people that medically people that do medically transition and find some comfort kind a little bit kind of walk a little bit lighter that . but lighter in life with that. but the people that do well with that, by the way, not very many, but but people do but from but the people that do do that are people do well with that are people that with the idea that go into it with the idea that, hey, know what, this that, hey, you know what, this is cosmetic surgery. it's not life saving, but it sure makes me feel better. for example , i me feel better. for example, i gave birth to twins after i gave birth to twins, i of went, birth to twins, i kind of went, wow. i don't like going birth to twins, i kind of went, wcget don't like going birth to twins, i kind of went, wc get dtummyz going birth to twins, i kind of went, wcget dtummy tuck going birth to twins, i kind of went, wc get dtummy tuck and going birth to twins, i kind of went, wc get dtummy tuck and so ng birth to twins, i kind of went, wcget dtummy tuck and so ig to get a tummy tuck and so i did. and me better did. and it made me feel better . wasn't life saving. but if somebody would have told it somebody would have told me it was changed my was life saving or changed my mind know, know , mind or, you know, you know, happiness at end of the happiness was at the end of the tummy tuck, it would have been devastating when i got through tummy tuck, it would have been deva and ng when i got through tummy tuck, it would have been deva and ng onfi i got through tummy tuck, it would have been devaand ng onfi i got welligh tummy tuck, it would have been deva and ng onfi i got well ,|h tummy tuck, it would have been deva and ng onfi i got well , got that and kind of went, well, got that and kind of went, well, got that really that and kind of went, well, got the anything really that and kind of went, well, got the anything for really that and kind of went, well, got the anything for me really that and kind of went, well, got the anything for me emotionally, do anything for me emotionally, but know, looks better but you know, it looks better kind of thing. what you think kind of thing. what do you think as kind of thing. what do you think ii you— kind of thing. what do you think ii you neor— kind of thing. what do you think as you hear that,— kind of thing. what do you think as you hear that, you— “r: “3 what do you think as you hear that, you know , you as you hear that, you know, you neor— as you hear that, you know, you neir ine— as you hear that, you know, you hear the schools— as you hear that, you know, you hear the schools things hear the schools and things are con— hear the schools and things are ionlcoying— hear the schools and things are ionlcoying, on— hear the schools and things are sort saying, oh, it's sort of saying, oh, no, it's ine— sort of saying, oh, no, it's iine-con— sort of saying, oh, no, it's fine.-can be- sort of saying, oh, no, it's fine.-can be a- sort of saying, oh, no, it's fine. can be a boy or a girl sort of saying, oh, no, it's fine be can be a boy or a girl sort of saying, oh, no, it's fine be boy be a boy or a girl sort of saying, oh, no, it's fine be boy or a boy or a girl sort of saying, oh, no, it's fine be boy or a boy can be rl can be a boy or a boy can be a giri— can be a boy or a boy can be a gnu-iii— can be a boy or a boy can be a giri-iii ine— can be a boy or a boy can be a girl. .it's fine. you- can be a boy or a boy can be a girl. it's fine. you know, girl. and it's fine. you know, we're-neutral- girl. and it's fine. you know, we're neutral and all

we're gender neutral and all inn.— we're gender neutral and all in. bo— we're gender neutral and all in. bo you— we're gender neutral and all this. do you-that- we're gender neutral and all this. do you that is we're gender neutral and all tislow3 you that is we're gender neutral and all tislow creep that is we're gender neutral and all tislow creep into that is we're gender neutral and all tislow creep into sortt is we're gender neutral and all tislow creep into sort of is we're gender neutral and all tislow creep into sort of also a slow creep into sort of also iniiiiriiing— a slow creep into sort of also infiltrating in— a slow creep into sort of also infiltrating in a— a slow creep into sort of also infiltrating in a way the bcycnee— infiltrating in a way the beycnee so— infiltrating in a way the psyche? so i'm in a shock. i'm going— psyche? so i'm in a shock. i'm going io— psyche? so i'm in a shock. i'm going io reu— psyche? so i'm in a shock. i'm going to tell the— psyche? so i'm in a shock. i'm going to tell the truth. i'm going to tell the truth. i'm going tell truth you going to tell the truth. i'm goingthis. ell truth you going to tell the truth. i'm goingthis. the truth you going to tell the truth. i'm goingthis. the majority you going to tell the truth. i'm goingthis. the majority ofyou with this. the majority of people that are pushing that within school systems absolutely, , i absolutely, unequivocally, i believe, believe what they're saying. i think that it's coming from a place of absolute tolerance, love and justice, they think. but here is the truth. the reason why we're medically transitioning children , the reason why we're medically transitioning adults is because of two reasons. the first reason is financial , right? and i know is financial, right? and i know that here in the uk we have socialised medicine, all that kind stuff . we produce kind of stuff. we produce puberty blockers in the united states and guarantee when states and i guarantee you when you come say, we you come over and say, hey, we need , you know, some need, you know, some puberty lutheran's . that's the lutheran's not going. that's the uk. that's free. i mean, uk. that's, that's free. i mean, there's money being generated, so much money that i'll give you a quick, quick analogy. in 2015, our governor in texas started taking money from a gender clinic. we had 22 kids that were

on puberty blockers to years later, after he took $2.5 million. that money on puberty, puberty blockers went from a $4.6 million gross profit over a four year period of time on that to a 4,000% increase. so you know, $4.6 million. so follow me here for six. where are where are you at $4.6 million went to click just under $100 million in a small area in texas . so that's a small area in texas. so that's a small area in texas. so that's a lot of money. you're saying inor— a lot of money. you're saying ii inc— a lot of money. you're saying iii iii ii— a lot of money. you're saying that this is actually- you're saying that this is actually actually being— that this is actually actually being buinei— that this is actually actually being pushed by a lot of the bug— being pushed by a lot of the drug companies— being pushed by a lot of the drug companies ? i mean, that's drug companies? i mean, that's cniii— drug companies? i mean, that's iniii kini— drug companies? i mean, that's that's kind .what— drug companies? i mean, that's that's kind what not that's kind of what i'm not iiying—ine- that's kind of what i'm noti saying—the truth. that's kind of what i'm not sayi think the truth. that's kind of what i'm not sayi think that'struth. that's kind of what i'm not sayi think that'struth it you think that's that's how it is you think that's that's how it iilnein— you think that's that's how it is mean, obviously, is. i mean, obviously, those irug—io- is. i mean, obviously, those| irug—io nere drug companies are to here ieieni— drug companies are to here defend themselves. and they drug companies are to here defencsayemselves. and they drug companies are to here defencsayemselthey and they drug companies are to here defencsayemselthey are they drug companies are to here defencsayemselthey are trying would say that they are trying to would say that they are tryingj io—been would say that they are tryingj io-io —been would say that they are tryingj io-io gei—been would say that they are tryingj to-to get medical-been would say that they are trying to 1“ trying to get medical people in to debate me for five years. i had an endocrinologist in boston children's hospital who is the absolute utmost endocrinologist. they're going to pay him tonnes of money me . he said, of money to debate me. he said, yes, out it was and yes, he found out who it was and he all of a sudden do he all of a sudden didn't do it. i said, what? i even said, you know what? if you terrible , we can you do really terrible, we can erase down erase the sucker. just sit down and talk to he do and talk to me. he didn't do it.

i'll to anybody anywhere i'll talk to anybody anywhere about the medicalisation of children. here's the children. it's wrong. here's the second reason. the second reason why. whether or not this offends anybody not, males who are anybody or not, males who are transgender or are are medically transitioning a lot of them doesn't matter if you don't like it or not have a sexual fetish . it or not have a sexual fetish. and that fetish is only arnie basically fulfilled if people see them as a woman. it's the, you know, trans women , real you know, trans women, real women. it's because there is a fetish tied to that . so if you fetish tied to that. so if you basically only use biology with them, they lose their erection. so we are medically transitioning children, so males straight males don't lose their erection. and so there's a profit model with in this to medically transition children thatis medically transition children that is absolutely the truth. now in the middle are all the people that don't know the truth because of things like what happened at turning point with that, know, nothing that, you know, nothing bad or good on both they were good on both sides. they were both being you know, and this is

a kwasi the drag. yeah. there was where they were was a rally where they were yelling trying talk was a rally where they were yelliit] trying talk was a rally where they were yelliit was trying talk was a rally where they were yelliit was just trying talk was a rally where they were yelliit was just like ying talk was a rally where they were yelliit was just like i ng talk was a rally where they were yelliit was just like i was talk and it was just like i was in the like , i the middle and i was like, i don't side. don't want to be on your side. i don't want to be on your side. i don't side. don't want to be on your side. nobody's don't want to be on your side. nollike s don't want to be on your side. nollike , my god, shut up in it's like, my god, shut up in the middle is where the information is. this is where the information is. it's almost like the information is. it's almost iike beobie— the information is. it's almost like people don't— the information is. it's almost like people don't want- 1“ it's almost like people don't want to listen 1“ it's almost likeitheryle don't want to listen rir1“ it's almost likeither side, n't want to listen 1“ it's almost likeither side, butivant to listen 1“ it's almost likeither side, but they to listen rir1“ it's almost likeither side, but they don't en to either side, but they don't know— to either side, but they don't know wnoi— to either side, but they don't know what side— to either side, but they don't know what side they kind of inouii— know what side they kind of inouii be— know what side they kind of should be on.— know what side they kind of should be on. because the truth is should be on. because the truth ii inor— should be on. because the truth ii ii inc— should be on. because the truth is that this medical transition is that this medical transition ii i— is that this medical transition ii i be— is that this medical transition ii i iiie ,— is that this medical transition ii i iiie , i— is that this medical transition is a life, a life— is that this medical transition is a life , a life changing thing is a life, a life changing thing . iini— is a life, a life changing thing . an inece— is a life, a life changing thing . and these little— is a life, a life changing thing . and these little increments ioerii— . and these little increments ioerii ii.— . and these little increments towards it. so— . and these little increments towards it. so maybe it's maybe it's towards it. so maybe it's maybe iii ine— towards it. so maybe it's maybe iii we irig— towards it. so maybe it's maybe it's the drag side— towards it. so maybe it's maybe it's the drag side of things. iibee— it's the drag side of things. iiier iii— it's the drag side of things. maybe it's the— it's the drag side of things. maybe it's the pronouns , maybe maybe it's the pronouns, maybe it's maybe it's the pronouns, maybe iii iii— maybe it's the pronouns, maybe iii iii couii— maybe it's the pronouns, maybe it's all could result in cniiiren— it's all could result in children going in this direction . ii— children going in this direction . ii just— children going in this direction . it just couldn't.— children going in this direction . it just couldn't. it- children going in this direction . it just couldn't. it is.- children going in this direction . it just couldn't. it is. it is. it is. so creep of all different things. even the iingnge— different things. even the language changing- r: �*"�*"ri”ri7“c “35 even the language changing the language changing in the iiciioniry. — language changing in the. dictionary. _the language changing in the- dictionary. _the word dictionary. women now the word woman now encompasses a male who is woman now encompasses a male who ii irinigenier— woman now encompasses a male who is transgender who's— woman now encompasses a male who is transgender who's a _ woman now encompasses a male who is transgender who's a and it buii— is transgender who's a and it we oni— is transgender who's a and it we ini now— is transgender who's a and it just and now you— is transgender who's a and it just and now you have to call it he just and now you have to call it be or— just and now you have to call it be or ine— just and now you have to call it be or ine .— just and now you have to call it he or she . and— just and now you have to call it he or she . and it's— just and now you have to call it he or she . and it's everything he or she. and it's everything is he or she. and it's everything ii beconing— he or she. and it's everything is becoming so— he or she. and it's everything is becoming so convoluted and beobie— is becoming so convoluted and beobie ie— is becoming so convoluted and beobie very— is becoming so convoluted and people are very confused. i'm very— people are very confused. i'm very ewerybon-i— people are very confused. i'm very everybody's very confused. people are very confused. i'm verycric 5ybody's very confused. people are very confused. i'm verycric 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let's get let's get back to one word, the one word that everybody to understand is everybody needs to understand is why. this happening? and why. why is this happening? and this the speech that i was this is the speech that i was trying yesterday , which is trying to do yesterday, which is this. i i'm a lesbian. i know i look like a man, but i'm a lesbian that medically transitioned and so my generation, i'm 50, not 48. we fought for same sex rights . we fought for same sex rights. we fought for same sex rights. we fought for same sex rights. we fought for what i call righteous rights. you know, stonewall was founded in 1989, in 2003, they pushed through a same sex adoptions. those were righteous rights. those were righteous gays and lesbians fighting for rights. you know, they were fighting for rights like , you fighting for rights like, you know, pond in florida that had to die alone without her. her partner in that room with her now in 2013, stonewall passed same sex marriage , not just, you same sex marriage, not just, you know, you know, contract out same sex marriage so that people can die with dignity and respect. those those were righteous rights . those were righteous rights. those were righteous rights. those were righteous people bringing those rights. those were rights that we needed to have. now, after

that where my community that is where my community faltered. and how we faltered was that activism is a business. i had no clue . you know, i went i had no clue. you know, i went into this thinking i was just going try help everybody. into this thinking i was just going atry help everybody. into this thinking i was just going a business.) everybody. into this thinking i was just going a business. so lerybody. into this thinking i was just going a business. so when dy. this is a business. so when stonewall got all of those righteous rights, there was nothing else to fight for. and that's why in 2015, in my opinion , they were getting to opinion, they were getting to the place where they were going to sign bankruptcy. there were no more righteous rights. well in that year they had a 32% year over year growth and the only thing that they did different was to sign on with mermaids, who's medically transitioning children. so we are stepping on the children's heads to maintain an organisation, to maintain activism. we are medically transitioning kids with all this absurdity so that statement don't lose their erections . this don't lose their erections. this is the truth. whether it offends you, you, you, you, you, you , you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you. it's the truth. but they would argue and also and you, you. it's the truth. but theyknowd argue and also and you, you. it's the truth. but they know what? but! also and you, you. it's the truth. but they know what? but they» and you, you. it's the truth. but they know what? but they would you know what? but they would igue — you know what? but they would igue ier— you know what? but they would igue iei-r-ucr— you know what? but they would argue. let-just finish- you know what? but they would argue. let-just finish .- c but they would argue. let just finish . where argue. let me just finish. where are argue. let me just finish. where iroe—ur- argue. let me just finish. where iroe—ur . i- argue. let me just finish. wherei are—out. i wish are you? come on out. iwish ibey— are you? come on out. i wish ibey wouii. — are you? come on out. iwish they would. let's— are you? come on out. iwish they would. let's do- are you? come on out. iwish they would. let's do it.- are you? rir1“ i wish they would. let's do it. i'd to iowe— they would. let's do it. i'd to iowe neor— they would. let's do it. i'd to love hear-but- they would. let's do it. i'd to. love hear-but-would love hear them. but they would

irgue— argue that they're actually browiiing — argue that they're actually providing me, providing nobody will debate me, but providing nobody will debate me, bur ibey— providing nobody will debate me, our rney wouii— providing nobody will debate me, but they would they're but they would argue they're browiiing— but they would argue they're browiiing-.- but they would argue they're providing-. they. but they would argue they're providing . they are. providing a service. they are. incre— providing a service. they are. there-situation- providing a service. they are. there situation of gender there is a situation of gender chbnorii— there is a situation of gender chbnorii oni— there is a situation of gender dysphoria and they helping dysphoria and they are helping cniiiren— dysphoria and they are helping cniiiren you— dysphoria and they are helping children, you know, transition iiier. — children, you know, transition iiier. ibey— children, you know, transition safely. they would argue that ibey— safely. they would argue that ibey-bringing— safely. they would argue that they bringing safely, they are bringing safely, iiier. — they are bringing safely, safely. this— they are bringing safely, safely. this is- they are bringing safely, safely. this is what they would igue— safely. this is what they would igue-know— safely. this is what they would argue. know you're not argue. yeah, i know you're not iiying— argue. yeah, i know you're not iiying inn,— argue. yeah, i know you're not saying this,-here's- argue. yeah, i know you're not saying this, here's this. saying this, but here's this. incre— there were 12 medical complications to medically transitioning children there have been seven studies that said it's beneficial for said that it's beneficial for children to medically transition every of them have either every all of them have either been modified or retracted with oops, didn't or oops, that didn't help or modified with not enough time. the study that was just the latest study that was just retracted was retracted and not only retracted , but they found only retracted, but they found out within that that, oh, this is beneficial for kids. they found out that the 12 complications went to 26 complications. and within that study , they hid the fact that study, they hid the fact that two were medically two kids that were medically transitioning at the time killed themselves, which puts the percentage at a 50% higher rate. and these are the people that are getting this love. so are getting all this love. so you're right, stonewall did do righteous things. i don't believe are. now, righteous things. i don't

believe are . now, talk believe that they are. now, talk to then . believe that they are. now, talk io—inen . iei-i- to me about you then. let's iei-i— to me about you then. let's ieii iiik— to me about you then. let's let's talk—what. to me about you then. let's- let's talk—what does let's talk about you. what does inb— let's talk about you. what does iii iii— let's talk about you. what does iii iii you— let's talk about you. what does this left you with?— let's talk about you. what does this left you with? had this left you with? you've had the this left you with? you've had inc-oni— this left you with? you've had the-and you're- this left you with? you've had the and you're now the transition and you're now noie— the transition and you're now niie . — the transition and you're now niie . wo— the transition and you're now niie. no. in— the transition and you're now male. no, i'm not.- the transition and you're now male . \rr1::r the transition and you're now male . krir male. no, i'm not. i'm i look like a man. okay so you look like a man. okay so you look like a man. okay so you look like a man. you know , because like a man. you know, because inii-i— like a man. you know, because iniii wnere— like a man. you know, because that's where the— c 113“ you know, because that's where the language is. boue— that's where the language is. koure ike— that's where the language is. koure iike ,— that's where the language is. you're like , well,— that's where the language is. you're like , well, you know you're like, well, you know wnoie— you're like, well, you know what?-don't- you're like, well, you know. what?-don't-people you're like, well, you know- what?-don't-people to what? you don't want people to be-so— what? you don't want people to be-so wnere- what? you don't want people to be-so where is- what? you don't want people to be so where is this be offended. so where is this ieii— be offended. so where is this ieii youe— be offended. so where is this left you? how— be offended. so where is this left you? how in— be offended. so where is this left you? how in terms of your your— left you? how in terms of your your neiicii— left you? how in terms of your your medical side— left you? how in terms of your your medical side of things, are you— your medical side of things, are you ie— your medical side of things, are you you— your medical side of things, are you are you well— your medical side of things, are you are you well ,— your medical side of things, are you are you well , no, your medical side of things, are you are you well, no, i'm not. in— you are you well, no, i'm not. no. in— you are you well, no, i'm not. no. in iii.— you are you well, no, i'm not. no. in fact, inn— you are you well, no, i'm not. no. in fact, i'm staying- you are you well, no, i'm not. no. in fact, i'm staying with a physician and i have another urinary tract infection. i get those. eventually those. and those will eventually take my life, know, and , you take my life, you know, and, you know, the whole, know, oh, know, the whole, you know, oh, it's all experimental. why have you ionerning— it's all experimental. why have you something going— c why have you something going on? all neiicii— you something going on? all neiicii-ii- medical transition is experimental except for top surgery . all it. so arm. experimental except for top surgcis .all it. so arm. experimental except for top surgcis that. it. so arm. experimental except for top surgcis that there? so arm. experimental except for top surgcis that there? what arm. experimental except for top surgcis that there? what happened why is that there? what happened with why is that there? what happened wiii-inc — why is that there? what happened with-arm? _that's- with your arm? well, that's a that's surgery. that's that's a bottom surgery. that's that's a bottom surgery. that's that's that's a nerve . it's that's that's a nerve. it's very, very painful . my hand is very, very painful. my hand is handicapped . i get infections handicapped. i get infections probably. i would say, every six weeks or when i get when i get stressed out . i have congestive stressed out. i have congestive heart failure from a pulmonary embolism. i have to take i have

to take blood thinners for the rest my life because , you rest of my life because, you know, testosterone has has basically thickened my blood, whether or not i take it now or don't take now , i you know, don't take it now, i you know, i have heart lung . you name it, have heart lung. you name it, i have heart lung. you name it, i have it. you know, and those are the complications. we're not talking about. so we're medically transitioning children that have now have 12 complications to 26 complications. every study that said it was beneficial has been retracted or modified , and they retracted or modified, and they have early onset osteopathy ipsis they are having heart disease, , disease. we have disease, lungs, disease. we have 26 year olds their legs 26 year olds breaking their legs . we have, you know, these kids that can't can't have children . that can't can't have children. they're sterile. we have boys that will never experience an, not just 1 or 2 that get bottom surgeries or take puberty blockers. and it's not me saying it. the leading transgender surgeon in the united states basically says, hey, every boy that puberty that has been on puberty blockers do surgery on blockers that i do surgery on will never experience an for the rest of their lives. who are is anybody parent or anybody to

take that away from any human being? ithink take that away from any human being? i think if the people ir-enr— being? i think if the people aren't thinking— being? i think if the people aren't thinking of- “cd? i think if the people aren't thinking of what happens iiiererii— aren't thinking of what happens iiiererii ,— aren't thinking of what happens afterwards , it— aren't thinking of what happens afterwards , it might look like afterwards, it might look like it afterwards, it might look like i ii. — afterwards, it might look like i ii. ii— afterwards, it might look like i ii. ii nigni— afterwards, it might look like it is. it might .— afterwards, it might look like it is. it might . it— afterwards, it might look like it is. it might . it might look it is. it might. it might look ike— it is. it might. it might look ike-ine— it is. it might. it might look like _the other- it is. it might. it might look like the other sex. but like you're the other sex. but iciuiiiy— like you're the other sex. but actually there _ like you're the other sex. but actually there are probably a lot complications . i think lot of complications. i think it wouii—nore- lot of complications. i think it would more people would be good if more people cooke— would be good if more people woke-inor— would be good if more people spoke-that. so- would be good if more people spoke that. so that spoke about that. so that beoue,— spoke about that. so that beobie, you— spoke about that. so that people, you know, parents who are people, you know, parents who iiiking— people, you know, parents who are talking about— people, you know, parents who are talking about their children iriniiioning— are talking about their children transitioning-this. transitioning and all of this wouii—wnii- transitioning and all of this. would _what what transitioning and all of this- would _what what this would understand what what this this would understand what what this in inwoweii— would understand what what this this involves. so— would understand what what this this involves. so what about you i— this involves. so what about you i boue— this involves. so what about you now ? you've campaigning now? you've been campaigning for ogee—ninuiel ages. we've got about a minute ien.— ages. we've got about a minute ieii—wnii-i- left. scott. what's what's wnii-i— left. scott. what's what's wniii ior— left. scott. what's what's what's for you _ left. scott. what's what's what's for you now? well, you know— what's for you now? well, you know ,— what's for you now? well, you know i ive— what's for you now? well, you know , i've been— what's for you now? well, you know , i've been doing this for know, i've been doing this for ibour— about four and a half years. ire— about four and a half years. i i-we—non—irob about four and a half years. i i've i've—non—stop about four and a half years. i i've i've-doingjnon—stop about four and a half years. i i've i've-doing this—stop about four and a half years. . i've i've-doing this because and i've been doing this because i three kids. given i have three kids. i've given birth and i couldn't away birth and i couldn't look away from to be quite honest, from it. but to be quite honest, this emotionally , this has emotionally, physically, spiritually, just absolutely shattered me. and not just shattered me from from it's shattered me for from, from a human standpoint, i'm absolutely shattered with with human nature, with the fact that people say that they care , but people say that they care, but they just want to tweet . they just want to tweet. unfortunately, we need to talk about this stuff. we're butchering an entire generation

of children because of people that you don't want to be social media stars or because they want to make and to to make money. and we need to save these children. so are you. well, listen, scott, it's been gooi— well, listen, scott, it's been gooi io— well, listen, scott, it's been gooi ro iiik— well, listen, scott, it's been good to talk to— well, listen, scott, it's been good to talk to you. are you going— good to talk to you. are you goingchrry— good to talk to you. are you goingchrry on— good to talk to you. are you going carry on with the going to carry on with the cruiie— crusade or. no, no, no, no, no. ioiiy— crusade or. no, no, no, no, no. ioiiy ii— crusade or. no, no, no, no, no. ioiiy ii-iiii— crusade or. no, no, no, no, no. ioiiy ii-iiii-i-n- today is my last day. i'm serious . everything's coming serious. everything's coming down. videos, everything down. all my videos, everything . i'm done. been been . i'm done. i've been i've been beaten beyond a pulp , . i'm done. i've been i've been beaten beyond a pulp, and i'm done. so i hope there's somebody else comes on. but i need to actually get my life back before i die and have some fun. well, scott, i really appreciate- r: 3“r: 1“ well, scott, i really appreciate this you— scott, i really appreciate this you coning— scott, i really appreciate this you coming here— scott, i really appreciate this you coming here to talk to us on your— you coming here to talk to us on your ioii— you coming here to talk to us on your last activist— you coming here to talk to us on your last activist day. i ibbreciiie— your last activist day. i ibbreciiie-i- your last activist day. i appreciate . thank you your last activist day. i- appreciate-. thank you so appreciate that. thank you so nucn— appreciate that. thank you so nucni—scoiii much, scott. that is scott wugenr— much, scott. that is scott nugent there. _ much, scott. that is scott nugent there. he's a transgender . ne-i been— nugent there. he's a transgender man . he's been through it all nugent there. he's a transgender manhe'se's been through it all nugent there. he's a transgender manhe's beenan through it all nugent there. he's a transgender manhe's been workingjh it all nugent there. he's a transgender man he's been working very all nugent there. he's a transgender man he's been working very hard and he's been working very hard ine— and he's been working very hard ine ioii— and he's been working very hard over the last five _ and he's been working very hard over the last five years. but on inn— over the last five years. but on in — over the last five years. but on this issue, lgbt_ over the last five years. but on this issue, lgbt rights group sronewiii— this issue, lgbt rights group stonewall have— this issue, lgbt rights group stonewall have previously said noe— stonewall have previously said nocr beobie— stonewall have previously said most people who— stonewall have previously said most people who transition do so wiinoui— most people who transition do so without-regrets— most people who transition do so without-regrets .— most people who transition do so without regrets . but without any regrets. but detransitioning is very rare, bur— detransitioning is very rare, bur ii— detransitioning is very rare, bur ii ioei— detransitioning is very rare, but it does happen. detransition ioec— but it does happen. detransition be nor. — but it does happen. detransition be nor. iini— but it does happen. detransition does not. and of— but it does happen. detransition does not. and of itself mean regrei. — does not. and of itself mean regrei. ii— does not. and of itself mean regrer. ii con— does not. and of itself mean regret. it can mean that a becon—

regret. it can mean that a person no longer identifies as ironc— person no longer identifies as inc or— person no longer identifies as trans or feels— person no longer identifies as trans or feels that they are now a trans or feels that they are now i iiiiereni— trans or feels that they are now a different gender— trans or feels that they are now a different gender to the one ibey— a different gender to the one rney breonuiiy— a different gender to the one they previously identified as web— they previously identified as web .— they previously identified as web . siiy— they previously identified as well . stay tuned. just gone 23 well. stay tuned. just gone 23 ninuiei— well. stay tuned. just gone 23 minutes after— well. stay tuned. just gone 23 minutes after 5:00. coming up, it's minutes after 5:00. coming up, iii ine— minutes after 5:00. coming up, iii we creii— minutes after 5:00. coming up, it's the great debate it's the great british debate inb— it's the great british debate inii noun— it's the great british debate this hour. i'm— it's the great british debate this hour. i'm our nurses it's the great british debate this hirealistic our nurses it's the great british debate this hirealistic . our nurses it's the great british debate this hirealistic . all our nurses it's the great british debate this hirealistic . all of ur nurses it's the great british debate this hirealistic . all of thatirses being realistic. all of that wiii— being realistic. all of that wiii be— being realistic. all of that wiii be-wa- being realistic. all of that wiii be-wa .- being realistic. all of that will be way . don't go will be on the way. don't go inywnere—

as they happen. you're listening to gb news radio . good to gb news radio. good afternoon. this is gb news on tv oniine— afternoon. this is gb news on tv oniine oni— afternoon. this is gb news on tv oniine ini on— afternoon. this is gb news on tv online and on digital— 1“ this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm kini— online and on digital radio. i'm wini akui— online and on digital radio. i'm wini akui .— online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . it's— online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . it's time now for our nana akua. it's time now for our creii— nana akua. it's time now for our creii briiin— nana akua. it's time now for our great british debate this hour. an— great british debate this hour. an in— great british debate this hour. an i-n iikingi— great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, are the nurses being— and i'm asking, are the nurses being realistic?— and i'm asking, are the nurses being realistic? the general iecreiiry— being realistic? the general iecreiiry oi— being realistic? the general secretary of the— being realistic? the general secretary of the royal college of secretary of the royal college i wurieii — secretary of the royal college of nurses, pat— secretary of the royal college of nurses, pat cullen, has inei— of nurses, pat cullen, has warned that— of nurses, pat cullen, has warned that government warned that the government could be — warned that the government could be -oi— warned that the government could face _of strikes _ warned that the government could face _of strikes and - warned that the government could face of strikes and the face years of strikes and the iribie— face years of strikes and the rribie riiei— face years of strikes and the triple rates of— face years of strikes and the triple rates of pay being oiierei— triple rates of pay being offered to— triple rates of pay being offered to nurses who work iuring— offered to nurses who work iuring ine— offered to nurses who work during the strikes was insulting i wuriei— during the strikes was insulting i wuriei in— during the strikes was insulting . nurses in england are to inke— . nurses in england are to strike from _ . nurses in england are to strike from 8:00 this evening, so strike from 8:00 this evening, ioii— strike from 8:00 this evening, ioli coubie— strike from 8:00 this evening, sola couple of— strike from 8:00 this evening, so a couple of hours until so in a couple of hours until niinigni— so in a couple of hours until midnight tomorrow in a dispute. over—conditions. over pay and working conditions. an— over pay and working conditions. ana-gag.— over pay and working conditions. and-strike was— over pay and working conditions. and strike was supposed to and the strike was supposed to ioii— and the strike was supposed to iiii ire— and the strike was supposed to last 48 hours.— and the strike was supposed to last 48 hours. course , a last 48 hours. but of course, a nign— last 48 hours. but of course, a ii coun— last 48 hours. but of course, a high court ruling— last 48 hours. but of course, a high court ruling cut it in half oiier— high court ruling cut it in half iiier iiniing— high court ruling cut it in half after finding that was partly

after finding that it was partly uniiqui— after finding that it was partly uniiqui i— after finding that it was partly unlawful . and— after finding that it was partly unlawful . and yesterday it was unlawful. and yesterday it was reweiiei— unlawful. and yesterday it was revealed .the _ unlawful. and yesterday it was revealed .the rcn - unlawful. and yesterday it was revealed the rcn was revealed that the rcn was working— revealed that the rcn was. working—leaders revealed that the rcn was- working_leaders to working with healthy leaders to browie— working with healthy leaders to browiie iner— working with healthy leaders to provide their own— working with healthy leaders to provide their own after provide their own cover after erningi— provide their own cover after erningi iron — provide their own cover after warnings from hospitals, inciuiing— warnings from hospitals, including son- warnings from hospitals, including son heung—min street cniiiren-i— including son heung—min street children's hospital over patient iiieri— children's hospital over patient iiiery. iwerige — children's hospital over patient safety. average nurse pay has iiiien— safety. average nurse pay has iiiien in— safety. average nurse pay has fallen in real— safety. average nurse pay has fallen in real terms by 8% since zero— fallen in real terms by 8% since zoroi bur— fallen in real terms by 8% since 2010, but everyone— fallen in real terms by 8% since 2010, but everyone from police oni— 2010, but everyone from police ini iociori— 2010, but everyone from police and doctors to _ 2010, but everyone from police and doctors to corporate ceos oni— and doctors to corporate ceos ini ii— and doctors to corporate ceos and it managers— and doctors to corporate ceos and it managers have seen even bigger— and it managers have seen even bigger cuii— and it managers have seen even bigger cuii in— and it managers have seen even bigger cuts in the— and it managers have seen even bigger cuts in the same period. so bigger cuts in the same period. so ior— bigger cuts in the same period. so ior ine— bigger cuts in the same period. so for the great— bigger cuts in the same period. so for the great british debate inb— so for the great british debate inn-iiking- so for the great british debate inii-iiking i- so for the great british debate this-asking , are- so for the great british debate this asking , are the this hour, i'm asking, are the nuriei—weiil nurses being realistic? well joining— nurses being realistic? well joining ne— nurses being realistic? well joining ne io— nurses being realistic? well joining me to discuss is roy iiiiyi—wnsl joining me to discuss is roy- lilly._nhs trust lilly. he's the former nhs trust nciirnin— lilly. he's the former nhs trust ciinrnini—- chairman, julia taylor, psychiatric— chairman, julia taylor, psychiatric nurse, and stephen rouni— psychiatric nurse, and stephen iouni i— psychiatric nurse, and stephen iouni i i— psychiatric nurse, and stephen pound , a former— psychiatric nurse, and stephen pound , a former labour mp, and pound, a former labour mp, and anno— pound, a former labour mp, and anna mcgovern— pound, a former labour mp, and anna mcgovern ,— pound, a former labour mp, and anna mcgovern , political anna mcgovern, political commentator, _ anna mcgovern, political commentator, and also she gives us commentator, and also she gives ui i ior— commentator, and also she gives ui i ior on— commentator, and also she gives ui i ior on in— commentator, and also she gives us a lot on gb news as well. iigni— us a lot on gb news as well. iigni iei-i— us a lot on gb news as well. iignr iei-i go— us a lot on gb news as well. right let's go for— us a lot on gb news as well. right let's go for roy lilly. iron— right let's go for roy lilly. siin ne— right let's go for roy lilly. start me off.— right let's go for roy lilly. start me off. do- right let's go for roy lilly. start me off. do you think the nurses-realistic- start me off. do you think the nurses-realistic ?- start me off. do you think the nurses realistic ? erg nurses are being realistic? erg oh, nurses are being realistic? erg oni ne-i— nurses are being realistic? erg oni ne-i gone.— nurses are being realistic? erg oh, he's gone. oh— nurses are being realistic? erg oh, he's gone. oh i wanted to neor— oh, he's gone. oh i wanted to neir wnoi— oh, he's gone. oh i wanted to hear what he— oh, he's gone. oh i wanted to hear what he had— oh, he's gone. oh i wanted to hear what he had to say as well. oh hear what he had to say as well. on weiii— hear what he had to say as well. on weiii-go— hear what he had to say as well. oh well,-go .julia.- oh well, we'll go to julia. iuiiii— oh well, we'll go to julia.- iuiiii—we-ii julia, we'll come to you. we'll try julia, we'll come to you. we'll icy—runo- julia, we'll come to you. we'llj icy—runi try and get roy back. julia are the try and get roy back. julia are we nuriei— try and get roy back. julia are the nurses being— try and get roy back. julia are the nurses being realistic ? the nurses being realistic? yesr_ the nurses being realistic? yes, definitely— the nurses being realistic? yes, definitely .— the nurses being realistic? yes, definitely . we- the nurses being realistic? yes, definitely . we are- the nurses being realistic? yes, definitely . we are being yes, definitely. we are being realistic. it's the government that's been unrealistic . we've

that's been unrealistic. we've got a situation. okay where there's no recruitment and retention . we've got nurses that retention. we've got nurses that are working in the nhs on lower pay are working in the nhs on lower pay than nurses who come in and work on the private sector. we've got nurses who've left the bus— we've got nurses who've left the uus becue— we've got nurses who've left the nhs because they've retired and ibey— nhs because they've retired and ibey couii— nhs because they've retired and they could come— nhs because they've retired and they could come back. they've got they could come back. they've goi i— they could come back. they've goi i-iew— they could come back. they've goi i-iew yeiri— they could come back. they've got a few years left in got a good few years left in men— got a good few years left in ineni-iney— got a good few years left in them, they come got a good few years left in- them,-they-come back them, but they don't come back becue— them, but they don't come back becue ibey— them, but they don't come back because they get— them, but they don't come back because they get put bottom. because they get put on bottom. iini— because they get put on bottom. iini boos— because they get put on bottom. iini ioios con— because they get put on bottom. band £0.05 can you— because they get put on bottom. band £0.05 can you imagine the inqu band £0.05 can you imagine the insult to a nurse that's so experienced coming back and getting the lowest wage you could possibly get as a nurse? that's what we've got for the people that have left. so they go to the private sector. oh i'll go and work in a care home. i'll go and work in a care home. i'll more i'll get three times more and you've nurses who are doing i'll get three times more and you'vtrainingirses who are doing i'll get three times more and you'vtraining ,ses who are doing i'll get three times more and you'vtraining , coming are doing i'll get three times more and you'vtraining , coming out doing i'll get three times more and you'vtraining , coming out withg their training, coming out with £60,000 worth of debt that are sometimes going either to the private sector or they're moving away to australia or canada. so we've got the nurses who are left in the middle of all that with not enough nurses on the wards and everybody stressed everybody's working beyond their means, everybody's doing overtime because there's not

enough nurses and we're trying to get that message to the government. there's no recruitment, retention, no , i recruitment, retention, no, i hear you, julia. but, you know, ike— hear you, julia. but, you know, iike beobie— hear you, julia. but, you know, iike beobie wno— hear you, julia. but, you know, like people who go— hear you, julia. but, you know, like people who go to- but, you know, like people who go to university cone-wiii— like people who go to university cone-wiin-io- like people who go to universityi come .with-70 grand. come out with loans of 70 grand. i i come out with loans of 70 grand. i-i ion-i— come out with loans of 70 grand. i-i ion-i ogee— come out with loans of 70 grand. i-i ion-i igee i— come out with loans of 70 grand. i i don't agree. i think i mean, i don't agree. i think inor— i mean, i don't agree. i thinki inii—inouii that ultimately nurses should nove— that ultimately nurses should have bursaries,— that ultimately nurses should have bursaries, they should come bicki— have bursaries, they should come bicki-wiin— have bursaries, they should come back. with argument, have bursaries, they should come baciknow, with argument, have bursaries, they should come baciknow, everyone argument, have bursaries, they should come baciknow, everyone who nent, have bursaries, they should come baciknow, everyone who comes out you know, everyone who comes out of you know, everyone who comes out oi-uaneriiiy— you know, everyone who comes out of-university-college. of any university or any college iiwai— of any university or any college iiwai cornec— of any university or any college always comes some sort of any university or any college al\debt. omes some sort of any university or any college al\debt. omerit some sort of any university or any college al\debt. omerit can some sort of any university or any college al\debt. omerit can be some sort of any university or any college al\debt. omerit can be quite sort of debt. and it can be quite nigni— of debt. and it can be quite nigni-iiiy— of debt. and it can be quite high. .lily yeah,- of debt. and it can be quite high. lily yeah, good high. roy lily yeah, good iiiernoon— high. roy lily yeah, good afternoon. _ high. roy lily yeah, good afternoon . �*siiicc high. roy lily yeah, good afternoon. �*siiicc high. roy lily yeah, good afternoon. well, look, the reality is that the nurses went into the strike looking for 5% above retail price index increases, which put them at around 19% of their leader. pat cullen kind of backed- around 19% of their leader. pat cullen kind of backed off- “r: i ” : pat cullen kind of backed off of inor— cullen kind of backed off of iii oni— cullen kind of backed off of that and said— cullen kind of backed off of that and said that really wasn't wnoi— that and said that really wasn't wnii ibey— that and said that really wasn't what they were _ that and said that really wasn't what they were looking for . the what they were looking for. the pay what they were looking for. the pay restoration _ what they were looking for. the pay restoration argument kind of fell pay restoration argument kind of iii by— pay restoration argument kind of iii by ine— pay restoration argument kind of fell by the wayside. they then iiii — fell by the wayside. they then iiii ibey— fell by the wayside. they then said they wanted— fell by the wayside. they then said they wanted 10, then they iiii — said they wanted 10, then they iiii ibey— said they wanted 10, then they said they wanted— said they wanted 10, then they said they wanted to debate what wnoi— said they wanted to debate what wnii ii— said they wanted to debate what wnii ii wouii— said they wanted to debate what what it would be. _ said they wanted to debate what what it would be. 1“ what it would be. i mean, they kind of ended up arguing with themselves eventually they themselves until eventually they got negotiation and they got into negotiation and they were offered 5% plus other quite important changes to contract and other stuff . the rcn council

and other stuff. the rcn council recornrneneii— and other stuff. the rcn council recommended that— and other stuff. the rcn council recommended that the- 3“r: the rcn council recommended that the nurses iccebr— recommended that the nurses iccebi iii— recommended that the nurses iccebr ir. ibey— recommended that the nurses accept it. they went to a ballot oni— accept it. they went to a ballot ini gube— accept it. they went to a ballot and quite narrowly— accept it. they went to a ballot and quite narrowly actually , and quite narrowly actually, ibey— and quite narrowly actually, they decided _ and quite narrowly actually, they decided not to. and now, of course, on tuesday— they decided not to. and now, of course, on tuesday ,— they decided not to. and now, of course, on tuesday , the course, on tuesday, the inbonini— course, on tuesday, the important day on tuesday is when the important day on tuesday is when we wus— important day on tuesday is when the nhs council— important day on tuesday is when the nhs council meet where all the nhs council meet where all we iiie— the nhs council meet where all the trade unions— the nhs council meet where all the trade unions will get rogeiner— the trade unions will get together and— the trade unions will get together and decide what the iqure — together and decide what the iqure iii — together and decide what the future is. and— together and decide what the future is. and looks like it. future is. and it looks like it. i eiin— future is. and it looks like it. i iron— future is. and it looks like it. i mean, from what— future is. and it looks like it. i mean, from what we- future is. and it looks like it. i mean, from what we can see, it looks like it will be accepted . looks like it will be accepted. if it is accepted, then then clearly, steve barclay will put the money into nurses pay packets by in june and then the rcn have got to decide what they do. well, they can't strike any more because _ do. well, they can't strike any more because their— r:rir well, they can't strike any more because their current winiow— more because their current winiow bii— more because their current window has expired, so they'll nove— window has expired, so they'll ane io— window has expired, so they'll ane io go— window has expired, so they'll have to go back— window has expired, so they'll have to go back and reballot now biiioiing— have to go back and reballot now balloting their— have to go back and reballot now balloting their members, costs inen — balloting their members, costs inen ibour— balloting their members, costs them about £200,000. “izzy. balloting their members, costs them about £200,000. “cg cc them about £200,000. they will rebiiioi— them about £200,000. they will reballot and then they've got to decide whether or not they're going to strike if they going to strike again. if they do strike, and this is the important thing. if they do strike, they'll have a six month

window overlap with the window which overlap with the junior doctors period of being able to strike if the two of them strike together , it will be them strike together, it will be absolutely catastrophic for the nhs. but the way it stands, i i— nhs. but the way it stands, i mean, i would— nhs. but the way it stands, i mean, i would have- \r but the way it stands, i mean, i would have thought that inor— mean, i would have thought that in den— mean, i would have thought that rnir ngen ine— mean, i would have thought that that given the weight of the ieciiion— that given the weight of the ieciiion oi— that given the weight of the decision of the— that given the weight of the decision of the other trade unions, then— decision of the other trade unions, then probably, you know, the unions, then probably, you know, we gone— unions, then probably, you know, we gone ii— unions, then probably, you know, be gone ii ub— unions, then probably, you know, the game is up for— unions, then probably, you know, the game is up for the nurses oni— the game is up for the nurses ini i— the game is up for the nurses ini i con-i— the game is up for the nurses and i can't see— the game is up for the nurses and i can't see really how the secreiiry— and i can't see really how the secreiiry oi— and i can't see really how the secretary of state— and i can't see really how the secretary of state can will be nowei— secretary of state can will be nowei io — secretary of state can will be moved to increase it for the for ine— moved to increase it for the for we kcw — moved to increase it for the for we kcw bur— moved to increase it for the for the rcn but not— moved to increase it for the for the rcn but not increase the oiier— the rcn but not increase the oiier ior— the rcn but not increase the offer for all— the rcn but not increase the offer for all the— the rcn but not increase the offer for all the other nurses. so offer for all the other nurses. so ibey-we— offer for all the other nurses. so they've kind— offer for all the other nurses. so they've kind of— offer for all the other nurses. so they've kind of the- offer for all the other nurses. so they've kind of the rcn have sort of backed themselves into a corner just just sort of backed themselves into a cornerjust just a little bit . cornerjust just a little bit. stephen pound, your stepheh pound, your thoughts? stephen pound, your thoughts? bein— stephen pound, your thoughts? kein — stephen pound, your thoughts? kein one— stephen pound, your thoughts? yeah one person's— stephen pound, your thoughts? yeah 1“ r: 1“ stephen pound, your thoughts? yeah one person's paid him is yeah one person's paid him on is another negotiating another person's negotiating position. i mean, i've represented nurses in industrial discussions and these debates , discussions and these debates, nobody really expected that that was going to be the first figure. i quote, you know, donald trump in his book, the art you always art of the deal, you always start somewhere start high and settle somewhere in the middle. but look, the government this, no government could win this, no question there's question about that. there's a split already.

split with unison already. however, want to however, do they really want to have bitter, demoralised have a bitter, demoralised workforce when we've already got a retention problem in the a huge retention problem in the nhs, in the nursing nhs, particularly in the nursing grades? don't the grades? i don't think the government want to win grades? i don't think the gove it'llznt want to win grades? i don't think the gove it'llznt a want to win grades? i don't think the gove it'llznt a pyrrhic�*it to win grades? i don't think the gove it'llznt a pyrrhic victory n this. it'll be a pyrrhic victory , particularly maybe this. it'll be a pyrrhic victory , partioflarly maybe this. it'll be a pyrrhic victory , partiof the' maybe this. it'll be a pyrrhic victory , partiof the ambulance maybe this. it'll be a pyrrhic victory , partiof the ambulance staff, e some of the ambulance staff, some of the ambulance staff, some of the ambulance staff, some of paramedics, of some of the paramedics, some of them know, some some of the paramedics, some of thithe know, some some of the paramedics, some of thithe nurses 10w, some some of the paramedics, some of thithe nurses don't some some of the paramedics, some of thithe nurses don't . some some of the paramedics, some of thithe nurses don't . i some of the ward nurses don't. i mean, what earth that mean, what on earth is that going patient service? going to do for patient service? and we and at the end of the day, we should about should be thinking about the patients and we should be thinking about shortage thinking about the shortage of nurses and the demoralised state of profession in arnie of the profession in arnie mcgovern i absolutely agree that the nhs is institutionally broken and it needs a complete overhaul because especially for patients, there are many people who are on, you know, long like we have a massive backlog of patients who are waiting for urgent care, urgent appointments. we're now seeing , appointments. we're now seeing, you know— appointments. we're now seeing, you know i— appointments. we're now seeing, you know i boon— appointments. we're now seeing, you know, a boom of— we're now seeing, you know, a boom of like cancer, for you know, a boom of like cancer, ior ekiane— you know, a boom of like cancer, ior ekiane i— you know, a boom of like cancer, for example , cancer— you know, a boom of like cancer, for example , cancer diagnosis. for example, cancer diagnosis. we for example, cancer diagnosis. we-ibor— for example, cancer diagnosis. we-iiii we— for example, cancer diagnosis. we-that we know- for example, cancer diagnosis. we _that we know that. i for example, cancer diagnosis. j we _that we know that. so for example, cancer diagnosis. i we _that we know that. so do we know that we know that. so do you nurses being you think nurses are being realistic? are. no, realistic? they are. no, absolutely not. and i think, if inyrningi— anything, they're putting birienii— anything, they're putting patients lives— anything, they're putting patients lives at taking patients lives at risk by taking inb— patients lives at risk by taking inn-i— patients lives at risk by taking inii-i by— patients lives at risk by taking this-, by striking,- patients lives at risk by taking this , by striking, what this stance, by striking, what inouii— this stance, by striking, what inouii-io— this stance, by striking, what should-do-if- this stance, by striking, what should do if they're should they do then, if they're not should they do then, if they're nor nibbye — should they do then, if they're not happy? _use- should they do then, if they're not happy? c.5ri should they do then, if they're.

not happy? _use you can not happy? you can use you can use your voice, you speak use your voice, you can speak to your union. but think actually your union. but i think actually removing provide an removing when you provide an essential know , essential public, you know, pubuc essential public, you know, public where people's public service where people's lives are being used as bargaining chips almost for your demands pay , then what demands for pay, then what should they do? how do mean should they do? how do you mean what they should they do? how do you mean what strike they should they do? how do you mean what strike don't they should they do? how do you mean what strike don't do they can't strike if you don't do innk— can't strike if you don't do inink ibey— can't strike if you don't do think they should strike? no. bur— think they should strike? no. bur-now— think they should strike? no. but-how would- think they should strike? no. - but-how would-more but then how would they get more moneye— but then how would they get more noneyi-inouii— but then how would they get more money? should have, i think, money? you should have, i think, incen— money? you should have, i think, enter,-because- money? you should have, i think, enter, because there enter, negotiate because there are enter, negotiate because there wai— enter, negotiate because there wai oi— enter, negotiate because there are ways of doing— enter, negotiate because there are ways of doing that you are ways of doing it that you. can _voice _than can use your voice rather than iciuiiiy— can use your voice rather than iciuiiiy-your- can use your voice rather than actually your services actually removing your services oni— actually removing your services oni-nor— actually removing your services and-not providing- actually removing your services and not providing the and actually not providing the urgenr— and actually not providing the urgeni coe— and actually not providing the urgent care that— and actually not providing the urgent care that patients need becuei you— urgent care that patients need because, you know, will because, you know, people will die because, you know, people will iie ii— because, you know, people will be ii i— because, you know, people will die as a result— because, you know, people will die as a result of— because, you know, people will die as a result of these strikes i iini— die as a result of these strikes i an inouii— die as a result of these strikes . and should they— die as a result of these strikes . and should they allowed . and should they be allowed to inke— . and should they be allowed to iirike—iney- . and should they be allowed to strike _they should. strike at all.7 no they should not— not be allowed to. nurses should not be allowed to. nurses should not to strike. not be allowed to strike. stephen pound, do you think nurses should be allowed to strike— strike at all.7 you can't you can't strike at all? you can't you can't trample over can't actually trample over someone's human rights. no, it's not human police. someone's human rights. no, it's not police human police. someone's human rights. no, it's not police police human police. someone's human rights. no, it's not police police can't1an police. someone's human rights. no, it's not police police can't strike. :e. the police police can't strike. well, hang the police well, hang on a sec. the police am...— well, hang on a sec. the police arm—strike.- aren't allowed to strike. and, you— you know, you talk to outraged pence—their- you know, you talk to outraged pence—their payl police officers about their pay and:— and, you know, they're pretty bitter—rm- and, you know, they're pretty bitter—i'm sorry. i bitter about this. i'm sorry. we— we actually need to actually nounsh we actually need to actually nourish the nurses and actually say proper permitted say we have a proper permitted pat saying that, you pat cullen is saying that, you know, there be strikes know, there could be strikes for years to come. so if they know, there could be strikes for yea settled, ne. so if they know, there could be strikes for yea settled,ne. sshould if they know, there could be strikes for yea settled, ne. sshould then 1ey get settled, they should then i think— get settled, they should then i think they— get settled, they should then i think they should withdraw the

right—do l think they should withdraw the rightmnk—dol think they should withdraw the righthink perhaps do think they should withdraw the righthink perhaps they» you think that perhaps they shouldn-t— shouldn't should maybe come to. some—like some agreement where people like nurses can't strike? _ some agreement where people like nurses can't strike? kiwi“ c nurses can't strike? well, it is possible . and the i mean, you possible. and the i mean, you can take a reserved occupation actions of people who do critical work and you could say you can't strike, but then you have to replace it with something. now i mean, you could replace it. i mean, when i ran my hospital, i had a no strike deal and we replaced it with pendulum arbitration. so normally when you go into arbitration, as steven has said , you know, you go in high, somebody comes out low and there's up and everybody there's a punch up and everybody wastes time you end wastes a lot of time and you end up the middle up somewhere in the middle with pendulum arbitration, you say you want say, want you want ten. i say, i want five. the arbitrator then says, i five. the arbitrator then says, uacas— five. the arbitrator then says, was says,— five. the arbitrator then says, | acas says, it'll— five. the arbitrator then says, i acas says, it'll be- �*" the arbitrator then says, i acas says, it'll be seven and everybody— i acas says, it'll be seven and everybody agrees. _ i acas says, it'll be seven and everybody agrees. so there is a way— everybody agrees. so there is a way around— everybody agrees. so there is a way aound n. — everybody agrees. so there is a way around it. but— everybody agrees. so there is a way around it. "r:i”rz; everybody agrees. so there is a way around it. “r:i”rz; way around it. but here's the thing. you have to keep it current. you have to do it every year and you have to do it and mean it. the problem we've had here is the government have got away with the fact that the rcn

and the other unions have been asleep at the wheel for ten years and suddenly they woken up and pay is and found out that their pay is 20% out. so it's the problem of the 20% out. so it's the problem of do unions— 20% out. so it's the problem of the unions and— 20% out. so it's the problem of the unions and it's— izio�*edér so it's the problem of the unions and it's partly ooodornnd— the unions and it's partly exploiting from the government . exploiting from the government. it exploiting from the government. n nou.— exploiting from the government. n nou. dds— exploiting from the government. it well, it's running— exploiting from the government. it well, it's running out- exploiting from the government. it well, it's running out of- it well, it's running out of time, but really good to have you thank you on board, roy lily, thank you on board, roy lily, thank you nhs you so much. as the former nhs trust taylor, trust chairman julia taylor, psychiatric nurse stephen pound, former mp and anna former labour mp and anna mcgovern, so much. mcgovern, thank you so much. political . so what political commentator. so what do the do you think then? should the nurses do you do you think then? should the nurse that do you do you think then? should the nurse that perhaps do you do you think then? should the nurse that perhaps they're)o you do you think then? should the nursethat perhaps they're being think that perhaps they're being way greedy? touch gb way too greedy? get in touch gb views gbnews.uk or tweet me at gb news. we'll be discussing that panel after this. that with my panel after this. your news headlines . it's your latest news headlines. it's 535. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb 535. i'm aaron armstrong in the on down— 535. i'm aaron armstrong in the on news room— 535. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb news room. the— 5:55 i'm aaron armstrong in the gb news room. the government is running— gb news room. the government is odannrnd an— gb news room. the government is planning an extra— gb news room. the government is planning an extra evacuation mano— planning an extra evacuation rdanr non — planning an extra evacuation flight from sudan tomorrow for undon— flight from sudan tomorrow for british nationals— flight from sudan tomorrow for british nationals trying to roare— british nationals trying to road rne— british nationals trying to leave the country. it will donan— leave the country. it will dopan non — leave the country. it will depart from port sudan in the dau— depart from port sudan in the dad or— depart from port sudan in the dad or rne— depart from port sudan in the east of the country . where east of the country. where earner— east of the country. where earlier the— east of the country. where earlier the first- east of the country. where earlier the first shipment of humanitarian— earlier the first shipment of humanitarian aid arrived. those hoping— humanitarian aid arrived. those noprnd ro— humanitarian aid arrived. those hoping ro road— humanitarian aid arrived. those hoping to leave, though, are

being— hoping to leave, though, are doing rodd— hoping to leave, though, are being told to— hoping to leave, though, are being told to get to the international- being told to get to the international airport there before— international airport there before midday. british navy snoo— before midday. british navy ships nava— before midday. british navy ships have also— before midday. british navy ships have also docked in the oarorn— ships have also docked in the oarorn dry— ships have also docked in the eastern city to— ships have also docked in the eastern city to support evacuation _ eastern city to support evacuation efforts . the cisf evacuation efforts. the cisf parandnan— evacuation efforts. the cisf paramilitary force says it will errand— paramilitary force says it will oxrond rno — paramilitary force says it will extend the truce— paramilitary force says it will extend the truce for a further 72 noun— extend the truce for a further 72 hours from _ extend the truce for a further 72 hours from midnight tonight , 72 hours from midnight tonight, annoudn— 72 hours from midnight tonight, although gunfire— 72 hours from midnight tonight, although gunfire has been heard in sudan-o— although gunfire has been heard in sudan's capital, fighting rnorororo— in sudan's capital, fighting therefore undermining the urronr— therefore undermining the current ceasefire . the nurses current ceasefire. the nurses uuon— current ceasefire. the nurses nas— current ceasefire. the nurses union has relaxed its strike ruden— union has relaxed its strike rudoo ro— union has relaxed its strike rules to ensure— union has relaxed its strike rules to ensure critical services— rules to ensure critical services will- rules to ensure critical services will still operate during— services will still operate during a— services will still operate during a zo— services will still operate during a 28 hour walkout, which oran— during a 28 hour walkout, which orano ar— during a 28 hour walkout, which orano ar oroo— during a 28 hour walkout, which starts at 8:00 pm.— during a 28 hour walkout, which starts at 8:00 pm. nhs england says— starts at 8:00 pm. nhs england says discussions— starts at 8:00 pm. nhs england says discussions with the royal corrode— says discussions with the royal corrode or— says discussions with the royal college of nursing have resulted in an— college of nursing have resulted in an agreement— college of nursing have resulted in an agreement for minimum orarnnd— in an agreement for minimum staffing levels— in an agreement for minimum staffing levels to _ in an agreement for minimum staffing levels to be provided to staffing levels to be provided ro cover— staffing levels to be provided to cover life— staffing levels to be provided to cover life and— staffing levels to be provided to cover life and limb services noooauo— to cover life and limb services noooauo or— to cover life and limb services because of serious— to cover life and limb services because of serious concerns anour— because of serious concerns anour parronr— because of serious concerns about patient safety. the public are about patient safety. the public arso— about patient safety. the public adoo being— about patient safety. the public are also being urged to use the uns— are also being urged to use the uus undo.— are also being urged to use the nhs wisely. the— are also being urged to use the nhs wisely. the health secretary says— nhs wisely. the health secretary says non— nhs wisely. the health secretary says he's hopeful— nhs wisely. the health secretary says he's hopeful the dispute no— says he's hopeful the dispute can be resolved— says he's hopeful the dispute can be resolved later this week. rne— can be resolved later this week. rno soar— can be resolved later this week. the staff council— can be resolved later this week. the staff council is due to meet on ruooday. — the staff council is due to meet on ruosday. rn— the staff council is due to meet on tuesday. i'm cautiously optimistic that the staff

council will agree to then vote in favour of the deal, but i think it's right to wait until tuesday for the staff council to meet and this strike is premature. i think it's disrespectful to the other trade unions. i think the rcn should awaited the remainder of the staff council. they were part of the negotiating options and as i say, pat herself say, pat cullen herself recommended this deal to her members and police in texas are searching for the suspect of a mass shooting that took place in the town of cleveland on friday. authorities say the suspect duod— authorities say the suspect killed five _ authorities say the suspect killed five of— authorities say the suspect killed five of his neighbours, rndudrnd— killed five of his neighbours, rndudrnd an— killed five of his neighbours, including an eight year old boy wnon— including an eight year old boy nnon rne— including an eight year old boy when the family— including an eight year old boy when the family asked him to oroo— when the family asked him to stop nnnd— when the family asked him to stop firing nn— when the family asked him to stop firing his semi—automatic woaono— stop firing his semi—automatic weapon-garden- stop firing his semi—automatic weapon-garden .- stop firing his semi—automatic weapon garden . the weapon in his garden. the sudden,— weapon in his garden. the ouopoor, wno— weapon in his garden. the suspect, who is- weapon in his garden. the suspect, who is mexican, is narrowed— suspect, who is mexican, is narrowed ro— suspect, who is mexican, is believed to have- suspect, who is mexican, is believed to have fled the united sraroo— believed to have fled the united soaroo ao— believed to have fled the united soaroo as w— believed to have fled the united states as tv online— believed to have fled the united states as tv online dab and tune in radio — states as tv online dab and tune in radio rnn— states as tv online dab and tune in radio. this is— states as tv online dab and tune in radio. this is gb— states as tv online dab and tune in radio. this is gb news. now it in radio. this is gb news. now n n— in radio. this is gb news. now u do nad— in radio. this is gb news. now dr do naok ro— in radio. this is gb news. now it is back to nana— in radio. this is gb news. now it is back to nana.

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after the high court said that it broke ballot rules. and it would broke ballot rules. and yesterday, the union was working with health leaders provide with health leaders to provide their own cover after warnings from hospitals, which include their own cover after warnings from ormond., which include their own cover after warnings from ormond street] include their own cover after warnings from ormond street children's saint ormond street children's hospital over patient safety. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, are for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking , are the this hour, i'm asking, are the nurses being realistic and to discuss that, i'm joined by author and broadcaster christine hamilton and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. danny kelly, we'll start with you. who are nurses being you. who are the nurses being realistic? i mean, look, their pay realistic? i mean, look, their pay has gone up considerably, actually compared to other professions as yet. they're still wanting more. what do you think? okay. first of all, they were unrealistic.— think? okay. first of all, they were unrealistic. that- «7 [mgr first of all, they were unrealistic. that 19% naraadndnd— were unrealistic. that 19% bargaining chip and i'm a car doador— bargaining chip and i'm a car doador and— bargaining chip and i'm a car doador and d— bargaining chip and i'm a car dealer and i know how to noaordaro. — dealer and i know how to negotiate. and- dealer and i know how to negotiate. and two of the panodddoro— negotiate. and two of the panellists were saying you added— panellists were saying you started basically they were implying— started basically they were implying started a ridiculous noodddon— implying started a ridiculous poodrdon. and— implying started a ridiculous position. and then someone else and— position. and then someone else and wou— position. and then someone else and you near— position. and then someone else and you near dn— position. and then someone else and you meet in the middle. dnar-o— and you meet in the middle. dnar-o nor— and you meet in the middle. that's not how— and you meet in the middle. that's not how it— and you meet in the middle. that's not how it because that's not how it works because you— that's not how it works because you-oroddndddrw- that's not how it works because you-credibility .- that's not how it works because you credibility . 19% you lose all credibility. 19% was-mental— you lose all credibility. 19% was-mental and- you lose all credibility. 19% was mental and the doctors was just mental and the doctors asked— was just mental and the doctors aowod dor— was just mental and the doctors asked for so.— was just mental and the doctors asked for 35. well— was just mental and the doctors asked for 35. well it's just dds— asked for 35. well it's just do duod— asked for 35. well it's just no duu dds— asked for 35. well it's just it's just it's crazy . and

it's just it's just crazy. and you— it's just it's just crazy. and you done— it's just it's just crazy. and you done a— it's just it's just crazy. and you lose a lot— it's just it's just crazy. and you lose a lot of- it's just it's just crazy. and you lose a lot of public support . so— you lose a lot of public support . so rnodr— you lose a lot of public support . so their position— you lose a lot of public support . so their position now is a lot dons.— . so their position now is a lot roan-doors— . so their position now is a lot less..looks like— . so their position now is a lot less. looks like there's an less. it looks like there's an order—aro- less. it looks like there's an offer—are they| offer on the table. are they nodnd—rndnk- offer on the table. are they being—think if. offer on the table. are they. being—think if they being realistic? i think if they ro— being realistic? i think if they were to accept— being realistic? i think if they were to accept this offer, then rnow— were to accept this offer, then new snoudd— were to accept this offer, then they should accept it they they should accept it and they are they should accept it and they aro— rne- are being realistic. the government- are being realistic. the government have come in with are being realistic. the gove with nt have come in with are being realistic. the gove with a have come in with are being realistic. the gove with a wedge:ome in with are being realistic. the gove with a wedge 0er in with are being realistic. the gove with a wedge of cash, vith are being realistic. the gove with a wedge of cash, with with with a wedge of cash, with a-nor— with with a wedge of cash, with and a— with with a wedge of cash, with and a deno— with with a wedge of cash, with and a 19%pav_ with with a wedge of cash, with a not a 19% pay hike. and a it's not a 19% pay hike. and yes— a it's not a 19% pay hike. and yes ,— a it's not a 19% pay hike. and was , dds— a it's not a 19% pay hike. and yes , it's below— a it's not a 19% pay hike. and yes , it's below inflationary and yes, it's below inflationary and the yes, it's below inflationary and do ooor— yes, it's below inflationary and do ooor od— yes, it's below inflationary and the cost of living— yes, it's below inflationary and the cost of living conditions onanadna— the cost of living conditions are changing figure it fluctuates— are changing figure it fluctuates .- are changing figure it fluctuates . i've said this for fluctuates. i've said this for ages— fluctuates. i've said this for ages rnar— fluctuates. i've said this for ages rnar dd— fluctuates. i've said this for ages that if public service personnel— ages that if public service personnel and— ages that if public service personnel and employees want oonorndnd— personnel and employees want oonorndnd ro— personnel and employees want something to do— personnel and employees want something to do with with dnddardon — something to do with with inflation, it— something to do with with inflation, it should be index unwed.— inflation, it should be index ddnwod. so— inflation, it should be index linked. so when— inflation, it should be index linked. so when it drops , so linked. so when it drops, so does— linked. so when it drops, so does rnodr— linked. so when it drops, so does their salary. and then that woudd— does their salary. and then that woudd no— does their salary. and then that would be realistic.— does their salary. and then that would be realistic. they had in ndnd— would be realistic. they had in ndnd od— would be realistic. they had in mind of course— would be realistic. they had in mind of course it's— would be realistic. they had in mind of course it's not. but if rnow-ro— mind of course it's not. but if rnow-ro aodna— mind of course it's not. but if rnow-ro aodnaloaw- mind of course it's not. but if they're going say inflation they're going to say inflation is they're going to say inflation do ar— they're going to say inflation do ar rndo— they're going to say inflation is at this-so- they're going to say inflation is at this so want 5% is at this point. so i want 5% above— is at this point. so i want 5% above rnar. — is at this point. so i want 5% above that. you— is at this point. so i want 5% above that. you need to say, okay,— above that. you need to say, onaw wew,— above that. you need to say, okay, well, when— above that. you need to say, okay, well, when inflation comes back— okay, well, when inflation comes back down— okay, well, when inflation comes back down, then— okay, well, when inflation comes back down, then you're still going— back down, then you're stilli going—going going to be 5, but it's going to be a lot less because, of- oouroa—rardor course, you would then target your—isl your strikes when inflation is oodradddnd— your strikes when inflation is spiralling like— your strikes when inflation is spiralling like now. so that's. rudd— spiralling like now. so that's. word, d— spiralling like now. so that's. wei, d agno— spiralling like now. so that's. well, i agree they— spiralling like now. so that's. well, i agree they are- spiralling like now. well, i agree they are being roraddw— well, i agree they are being totally unrealistic and i hope totally unrealistic and i hope ro aoodnooo— totally unrealistic and i hope to goodness-will- totally unrealistic and i hopei to goodness-will-it to goodness they will settle it .|rndnk— to goodness they will settle it land-aro— to goodness they will settle it .ithink-are losing- . i think they are losing ouppon— . i think they are losing ouppon .— . i think they are losing support - and- . i think they are losing support . and one thing i think support. and one thing i think rnow-wo— they've lost support over is

rndo— they've lost support over is this—action. - they've lost support over is this—action. they this high court action. now they are-rne— this high court action. now they are the government. are blaming the government. rudd— are blaming the government. well,_minute- are blaming the government. well,_minute .- are blaming the government. well, minute . hang are blaming the government.- well,_minute . hang on. well, hang on a minute. hang on. it's pat cullen's fault because now— it's pat cullen's fault because now know— it's pat cullen's fault because they knew that— it's pat cullen's fault because they knew that were they knew that they were droakdnd — they knew that they were droakdnd -dw- they knew that they were breaking by striking they knew that they were - breaking-by striking on breaking the law by striking on anar— breaking the law by striking on ma oond— breaking the law by striking on that second day.— breaking the law by striking on that second day. if they had orruok— that second day. if they had orruon on— that second day. if they had struck on the— that second day. if they had struck on the second day because that second day. if they had strucdidn't�*ie second day because that second day. if they had strucdidn't have:ond day because that second day. if they had strucdidn't have thei day because that second day. if they had strucdidn't have the ballotecause they didn't have the ballot aurnordrw— they didn't have the ballot authority to _ they didn't have the ballot authority to i it. - they didn't have the ballot authority to it. the authority to do it. so the aowornnonr— authority to do it. so the government said, hang on a ndnudo— government said, hang on a. ndnudo—nroak government said, hang on a. minlaw _break government said, hang on a. ndndaw ,_b.e.k government said, hang on a minlaw , we're break government said, hang on a minlaw , we're going break government said, hang on a minlaw , we're going to break government said, hang on a minlaw , we're going to stop: government said, hang on a minlaw , we're going to stop you government said, hang on a minlathis.'e're going to stop you government said, hang on a minlathis.'e're goinrolesstop you government said, hang on a minlathis.'e're goinroles been ou doing this. had the roles been reversed and— doing this. had the roles been reversed and government reversed and the government was oornoown— reversed and the government was oononow-rno— reversed and the government was somehow-the law,- reversed and the government was somehow the law, pat somehow breaking the law, pat curren— somehow breaking the law, pat cullen would— somehow breaking the law, pat cullen would be— somehow breaking the law, pat cullen would be the first the cullen would be the first in the dung— cullen would be the first in the dung-,— cullen would be the first in the ddrdnd. nor— cullen would be the first in the firing -, not the _ cullen would be the first in the firing , not the firing firing line, not the firing ddno— firing line, not the firing line. the opposite behind the gun— line. the opposite behind the dunlonoor— line. the opposite behind the gun-shootlthe- line. the opposite behind the gun shoot the government. line. the opposite behind the guigoodness the government. line. the opposite behind the guigoodness knows government. line. the opposite behind the guigoodness knows howernment. line. the opposite behind the guigoodness knows how muchit. line. the opposite behind the guigoodness knows how much money so goodness knows how much money onow-wo— so goodness knows how much money rnow-wo waorod— so goodness knows how much money they've wasted .that. _ so goodness knows how much money they've wasted that. well, they've wasted over that. well, i they've wasted over that. well,| d—rnoudnr they've wasted over that. well,| dldr—rnoudnr they've wasted over that. well,| i.it-lawful-thought they've wasted over that. well,| i.it-lawful ,-thought they've wasted over that. well, i it lawful , though,ught they've wasted over that. well, i it lawful , though, you that it was lawful, though, you know— know, but, you know, the train, the know, but, you know, the train, rno-nooodo — know, but, you know, the train, rno-nooodo nave— know, but, you know, the train, the people have aslef, i the train people have aslef, i rndnn— the train people have aslef, i ndnd—.- think it is have settled. dnow-ro— think it is have settled. dnow-ro going- think it is have settled. they're going to have settle. they're going to have to settle. dou— they're going to have to settle. you-asun— they're going to have to settle. you _aslef they're - they're going to have to settle. you aslef they're paid you cannot aslef they're paid dudro— you cannot aslef they're paid dude—,- you cannot aslef they're paid dudro—, aon-r- you cannot aslef they're paid. quite_, aren't they? quite well anyway, aren't they? if quite well anyway, aren't they? dd—rnarl if inflation, let's assume that dnddardon— if inflation, let's assume that inflation goes— if inflation, let's assume that inflation goes on— if inflation, let's assume that inflation goes on up, which i don-r— inflation goes on up, which i don-r-wddd- inflation goes on up, which i don't-will, but- inflation goes on up, which i don't-will, but if- inflation goes on up, which i don't will, but if it don't think it will, but if it dooo—rno- don't think it will, but if it dooo—rno payl don't think it will, but if it- does_the pay round does next year in the pay round rnar—dnro- does next year in the pay round that—into accounti that will be taken into account lrnow— that will be taken into account lrnow-nawo— that will be taken into account .-they - have . both . . but they can't have it both wawo— . but they can't have it both wawo .— . but they can't have it both wawo . dnow— . but they can't have it both ways . they can't— . but they can't have it both ways . they can't trail ways. they can't trail inflation, _ ways. they can't trail inflation, shadow inflation when it inflation, shadow inflation when d dooo— inflation, shadow inflation when dr aooo un— inflation, shadow inflation when dr aooo up .— inflation, shadow inflation when dr aooo up . wnon— inflation, shadow inflation when it goes up . when it goes, yes, it goes up. when it goes, yes, wnon— it goes up. when it goes, yes, wnon dr— it goes up. when it goes, yes, wnon dr dooo— it goes up. when it goes, yes, wnon dr aooo up.— it goes up. when it goes, yes, when it goes up. then not when it goes up. and then not wnon— when it goes up. and then not wnon-down. - when it goes up. and then not. when-down. _listen, when it goes down. well, listen, i when it goes down. well, listen, d—rno— when it goes down. well, listen, i the public and i mean, across the public and private basically, private sectors, basically, i don't think should able private sectors, basically, i doeveryone's should able private sectors, basically, i doeveryone's payhould able private sectors, basically, i doeveryone's pay isuld able private sectors, basically, i doeveryone's pay is i.d able private sectors, basically, i doeveryone's pay is i don'table to everyone's pay is i don't

think should able think they should be able to. they paid they should. everyone's paid down just down everybody. and this is just some comparisons. the ceo , some comparisons. the ftse ceo, 5100 ceo says the pay is down by 14% since 2010. so these are the companies within the ftse and average ipp managers salary is down 26% since 2010, down about 26% since 2010, whereas as opposed to the nurses, who is theirs is only down by 14. and in fact an average of nurse pay has fallen in real terms 8% since 2010. so in real terms 8% since 2010. so in actual fact, although i don't think they're paid enough, i would say that now , think would say that now, i think they should they should be paid more. but they have their fallen less have their pay has fallen less fast than a lot of other. what frustrates me and— s?" what frustrates me and people on the raddo— frustrates me and people on the radio listening— frustrates me and people on the radio listening wouldn't have ooonlnur— radio listening wouldn't have seen-but one— radio listening wouldn't have seen but one your seen it, but one of your vt's rnoro— seen it, but one of your vt's wore-woro- seen it, but one of your vt'si there _were talking, seen it, but one of your vt's. there-were talking, i there whilst we were talking, i a dor— there whilst we were talking, i a rod or— there whilst we were talking, i saw a lot of people . i've saw a lot of young people. i've anod— saw a lot of young people. i've seen a.of people- seen a lot of people by their wow— seen a lot of people by their wow ado— seen a lot of people by their wow ago and— seen a lot of people by their very age and how look. they seen a lot of people by their veryonly and how look. they seen a lot of people by their veryonly and ibeen look. they seen a lot of people by their veryonly and ibeen nurses

going to australia. i really do. i'd going to australia. i really do. d-d dowo— going to australia. i really do. d-d dowo ro— going to australia. i really do. i'd love to know— going to australia. i really do. i'd love to know how many nurses going to australia. i really do. i'd logone know how many nurses going to australia. i really do. i'd logone knaustraliaiany nurses going to australia. i really do. i'd logone knaustralia for/ nurses have gone to australia for doundo— have gone to australia for double-the- have gone to australia for double the pay have gone to australia for- double _the pay because double or triple the pay because rnado— that's one hell of an upheaval. wrou— that's one hell of an upheaval. trod-do— that's one hell of an upheaval. well-do-australia,| well if you do go to australia, the - different- well if you do go to australia, the-different . - well if you do go to australia, the-different . wel well if you do go to australia,- the-different . we have the system is different. we have now— the system is different. we have onow—oworono. - the system is different. we have they—systems. so i they have private systems. so therefore you will more therefore you will get more money. in fact, you went the money. in fact, you went to the private more private sector, you get more money the money in this country. so the system different. i find money in this country. so the syaem different. i find money in this country. so the sya bit different. i find money in this country. so the sya bit whenferent. i find money in this country. so the sya bit when they:. i find money in this country. so the sya bit when they say, i find money in this country. so the sya bit when they say, well, it a bit when they say, well, australia is so much better, it a bit when they say, well, auslike,i is so much better, it a bit when they say, well, auslike, yeah, much better, it a bit when they say, well, auslike, yeah, mu

e. 3: they're working understaffed. they're working rnroudn— understaffed. they're working through extreme— e. 3: they're working through extreme stressful conditions— through extreme stressful conditions. _ through extreme stressful conditions . 'r: cc?" c conditions. and i don't think they'd be being unrealistic. i think they've given the government _ think they've given the government enough time to meet rnodr— government enough time to meet rnodr donando— government enough time to meet their demands .— government enough time to meet their demands . you know, we their demands. you know, we noard— their demands. you know, we noard tron — their demands. you know, we heard from steve— their demands. you know, we heard from steve barclay and nond— heard from steve barclay and rishi sunaks_ heard from steve barclay and rishi sunaks interview with gb uowo.— rishi sunaks interview with gb uowo. dr— rishi sunaks interview with gb news. it didn't— rishi sunaks interview with gb news. it didn't sound very prondodnd— news. it didn't sound very orondodna dn— news. it didn't sound very promising in terms of meeting the promising in terms of meeting to nuooo— promising in terms of meeting the nurses demands. i think we nood— the nurses demands. i think we need do— the nurses demands. i think we need to value nurses more and think government needs to meet their demands as well. let's go to john reid . i agree- their demands as well. let's go to john reid . i agree with- d 33 let's go to john reid . i agree with the to john reid. i agree with the waduo— to john reid. i agree with the waduo rno— to john reid. i agree with the value the more.— to john reid. i agree with the value the more. absolutely. i rndnk— value the more. absolutely. i rndnk rnow— value the more. absolutely. i think they should be paid more. rudd— full stop. john reid in kidderminster , you've about kidderminster, you've got about 30s kidderminster, you've got about ooo john— kidderminster, you've got about 30s john yellow— kidderminster, you've got about 30s john yellow nana 30s to say wdrn— 30s john yellow nana 30s to say wdrn rndo— 30s john yellow nana 30s to say with this ridiculous— 30s john yellow nana 30s to say with this ridiculous government rnar— with this ridiculous government rnar w-woo— with this ridiculous government rnar dod— with this ridiculous government that we've got, they've driven us that we've got, they've driven uo down— that we've got, they've driven uo down no— that we've got, they've driven us down the road— that we've got, they've driven us down the road of a market economy, haven't— us down the road of a market economy, haven't they ? ' 3 economy, haven't they? and as a marker— economy, haven't they? and as a market economy, you relate the supply and the demand and the demand is there. all of us have been here. we've all had covid and what have you, and all of a sudden people that have given their and souls to this their hearts and souls to this industry are being told you can't have a pay rise as much as you would i think it's i

you would like. i think it's i think it is realistic to what they're asking for and we should pay they're asking for and we should pay them more. they should be highly valued. brian dugan , what highly valued. brian dugan, what do wou— highly valued. brian dugan, what do you rndnkd— highly valued. brian dugan, what do you think? 30s— highly valued. brian dugan, what do you think? 30s i— " gnaw 3 brian dugan, what do you think? 30s i agree with you. — do you think? 30s i agree with you. unna— do you think? 30s i agree with you. nana d— do you think? 30s i agree with you. nana i agree— do you think? 30s i agree with you. \rre"�*re�* 3 do you think? 30s i agree with you. \rene 3 you. nana i agree with the previous two viewers. i think that we do under value our nurses and we overwork them and the average nurse in london, their pay is now less than the average regional wage . and i average regional wage. and i think this is a bargaining position. but i think that we must, um , we must remember and must, um, we must remember and keep in mind that there hasn't been a real terms increase in nurses salaries since 2010. and that's the reason that we're for anyone's or for anyone's though. bfian anyone's or for anyone's though. brian that's the only thing i'd add.— brian that's the only thing i'd add. adan — brian that's the only thing i'd add. adam wildsmith you've got about— add. adam wildsmith you've got aroud-rnoro— add. adam wildsmith you've got about-there in- add. adam wildsmith you've got about there in durham. about 30s he's there in durham. adan,— about 30s he's there in durham. adan-rnoudnro— about 30s he's there in durham. adam,-thoughts ? - about 30s he's there in durham. adam, thoughts ? dn/ri;e n adam, your thoughts? yeah, i rndnn— adam, your thoughts? yeah, i own given— adam, your thoughts? yeah, i think given that the average pay increase in private sector think given that the average pay increyearin private sector think given that the average pay increyearin aboutite sector think given that the average pay increyearin about 5, sector think given that the average pay increyearin about 5, irector think given that the average pay increyearin about 5, i don't last year was about 5, i don't think government's pay offer think the government's pay offer is unreasonable . 5% for this

is unreasonable. 5% for this yean is unreasonable. 5% for this year, £1,600 for last year. but it nonetheless been defeated it has nonetheless been defeated by the rcn members. so i think the government is going to have to get in a room rcn to get in a room with the rcn leadership deal. leadership and strike a deal. it must course , it was must be noted, of course, it was a very small margin of defeat. it 54% to 46. so i think if it was 54% to 46. so i think if the can just be the government can just be a little generous its little bit more generous in its position , i think probably position, i think it probably could strike a deal with the nurses. brilliant. thank you for war,— nurses. brilliant. thank you for that,-kidderminster- nurses. brilliant. thank you for that,-kidderminster ,- that, john in kidderminster, sronn— that, john in kidderminster, steph - milton - that, john in kidderminster, steph milton keynes, that, john in kidderminster, stephin milton keynes, that, john in kidderminster, stephin solihull. )i'| keynes, that, john in kidderminster, stephin solihull. andtynes, that, john in kidderminster, stephin solihull. and adam in brian in solihull. and adam in runaw— durham, thank you so much there. my durham, thank you so much there. my god— durham, thank you so much there. my god nrdrdon— durham, thank you so much there. my great british bosses, they are great indeed, aren't they? nodd— are great indeed, aren't they?| well,_thoughts? are great indeed, aren't they? well,move thoughts? are great indeed, aren't they? well, move ti story ts? are great indeed, aren't they? well,move tistory ,;? let's move on to this story, rnoudn.— let's move on to this story, rnouan. dro— let's move on to this story, though. it's been catching my eye— though. it's been catching my owo-tno— though. it's been catching my owo-rdno .- though. it's been catching my eye-time . good- eye for some time. good supermarket— eye for some time. good. supermarket-killing eye for some time. good- supermarket-killing us. supermarket food be killing us. a—ucd— supermarket food be killing us. a_ucl professor,- supermarket food be killing us. a ucl professor, dr. a doctor and ucl professor, dr. cnrdo— a doctor and ucl professor, dr. cnrdo an— a doctor and ucl professor, dr. chris van tulleken, thinks that nood— chris van tulleken, thinks that mood or— chris van tulleken, thinks that mood or do— chris van tulleken, thinks that most of the food— chris van tulleken, thinks that most of the food we so most of the food we eat is so dandorouo— most of the food we eat is so dangerous that— most of the food we eat is so dangerous that it— most of the food we eat is so dangerous that it could actually wdrn— dangerous that it could actually wdrn a— dangerous that it could actually come with a health in come with a health warning. in fact,— come with a health warning. in fact, duod— come with a health warning. in raor, duor dro— come with a health warning. in fact, just like we— come with a health warning. in fact, just like we have on odaarorroo— fact, just like we have on cigarettes obesity and cigarettes with obesity and cancer on the— cigarettes with obesity and cancer on the rise in the nhs in ordodo— cancer on the rise in the nhs in ordodo ,— cancer on the rise in the nhs in ordodo , do— cancer on the rise in the nhs in ordodo , do dr— cancer on the rise in the nhs in crisis , is it the— cancer on the rise in the nhs in crisis , is it the right? crisis, is it the right? is it ndnd— crisis, is it the right? is it rddnr ro— crisis, is it the right? is it rdanr ro aon— crisis, is it the right? is it right to ask the question, could ouoornarnor— right to ask the question, could supermarket food— right to ask the question, could supermarket food be killing you? joining— supermarket food be killing you? rodndna—rndo- supermarket food be killing you? rodndna—rndo do- joining me to discuss this is dornor— joining me to discuss this is former presenter— joining me to discuss this is former presenter families former presenter of fat families , srowo— former presenter of fat families , srowo outdon— former presenter of fat families , steve miller. steve good to raw— , steve miller. steve good to raw ro— , steve miller. steve good to ran do you. — , steve miller. steve good to talk to you. listen, this supermarket- talk to you. listen, this supermarket food and by that won— supermarket food and by that

their meaning— supermarket food and by that their meaning a— supermarket food and by that their meaning a lot of the packaged— their meaning a lot of the packaged stuff— their meaning a lot of the packaged stuff is it do you rndnk— packaged stuff is it do you rndnk dro— packaged stuff is it do you think it's killing us i mean odwdouodw— think it's killing us i mean obviously nobody's forcing us to eat obviously nobody's forcing us to oar dr— obviously nobody's forcing us to oar dr ndnd. — obviously nobody's forcing us to eat it mind. well— obviously nobody's forcing us to eat it mind. well that's the wor— eat it mind. well that's the ddror rndnd— eat it mind. well that's the first thing to— eat it mind. well that's the first thing to say is we do have onodoo. — first thing to say is we do have onodoo. and— first thing to say is we do have choice. and you— first thing to say is we do have choice. n3 first thing to say is we do have choice. ' n3 choice. and you know, there is an argument to say that junk food is cheaper than healthy food, which is actually a myth. if you look deeply healthy , food if you look deeply healthy, food doesn't have to break the bank . doesn't have to break the bank. but the reality is, and the research is now showcasing this is that eating too much processed best food? i've got one study here, imperial college for example, did a study. their results are now out showing there link . there may be there is a link. there may be a link between eating too much processed food and a number of cancers. so we do have to be careful. so things like this sort of thing, if you can see it, the old frozen pie. i don't know if you want a pie. i thought it was bread. it looked like bird in thought it was bread. it looked likelbird in it.— thought it was bread. it looked likelbird in it. horrible.- g e 3 it looked like bird in it. horrible. it like a bird in it. horrible. it wao- dndo- like a bird in it. horrible. it was-. this is- like a bird in it. horrible. it was-. this is thisi like a bird in it. horrible. it| was-. this is this is was revolting. this is this is no— was revolting. this is this is do ndnd— was revolting. this is this is do ndnd od— was revolting. this is this is the kind of stuff— was revolting. this is this is the kind of stuff we've got to be the kind of stuff we've got to no oarodud— the kind of stuff we've got to

be careful of— the kind of stuff we've got to be careful of because, yes, it it be careful of because, yes, it dr don-r— be careful of because, yes, it it isn't ideal. _ be careful of because, yes, it it isn't ideal. \rirdrr be careful of because, yes, it it isn't ideal. krirdrr it isn't ideal. now, the other bit of research on a serious note point here is that there is some research now saying that too much processed food can be the reason people die . dementia the reason people die. dementia is triggered. so we do have to be taking it seriously . but be taking it seriously. but there's a big excuse in the country that we need to quash . country that we need to quash. and that excuse is this is that, as i was saying before , that as i was saying before, that healthy food is too expensive . healthy food is too expensive. kyiv it doesn't have to be expensive , but we have to look expensive, but we have to look deeper for it. and i think the supermarkets could also play a role terms promoting it so role in terms of promoting it so that we actually prove that eating well does not have to break the bank. eating well does not have to break the bank . and i think break the bank. and i think that's a very important point . that's a very important point. can i give you very, very quickly , though, the supermarket quickly, though, the supermarket for you and the viewers and the listeners , here's what to do, listeners, here's what to do, dan, junk food aisle, first dan, the junk food aisle, first of all, if you're desperate to lose weight, get your get your fat photo out. look fat fat photo out. look at your fat photo . we've all got that photo. we've all got one that dreaded . we can't bear it.

photo. we've all got one that dreacat . we can't bear it. photo. we've all got one that dreacat it . we can't bear it. photo. we've all got one that dreacat it, . we can't bear it. photo. we've all got one that dreacat it , then we can't bear it. photo. we've all got one that dreacat it , then lookan't bear it. photo. we've all got one that dreacat it , then look att bear it. photo. we've all got one that dreacat it , then look at the ar it. look at it, then look at the processed food . right. give it processed food. right. give it the finger. wag right. tell it it's not. it's it's been responsible and it's no more. it's no more. got the power . responsible and it's no more. it's no more. got the power. and then the third thing do in then the third thing to do in your mind to celebrate the joy is to hum your favourite tune . is to hum your favourite tune. it's all about motivation . and it's all about motivation. and that's one strategy to get you down the aisle without throwing all the junk food into the all of the junk food into the trolley . oh, all of the junk food into the trolley. oh, i all of the junk food into the trolley . oh, i love it. steve trolley. oh, i love it. steve dddddon— trolley. oh, i love it. steve mire. dro— trolley. oh, i love it. steve miller, it's a— oh, i love it. steve miller, it's a pleasure . thank miller, it's a pleasure. thank you— miller, it's a pleasure. thank you oo— miller, it's a pleasure. thank you oo nucn— miller, it's a pleasure. thank you so much.-is- miller, it's a pleasure. thank you so much. is steve you so much. that is steve outdon— you so much. that is steve rddddor. no-o— you so much. that is steve miller. he's fabulous. good to raw— miller. he's fabulous. good to raw-noo— miller. he's fabulous. good to talk - he's the - miller. he's fabulous. good to talk he's the former talk to you. he's the former prooonror— talk to you. he's the former proooror— talk to you. he's the former oroooro dowo— talk to you. he's the former preseto love that. ?gn talk to you. he's the former preseto love that. 3gn used to love that. right. just avoiding the junk food aisle altogether. you know, they they put all you. they make put it all over you. they make what put it all over you. they make war-wand,— put it all over you. they make what-want,-you- put it all over you. they make| what-want,-you want. e they make wha have want, you want. e they make wha have want, past you want. e they make wha have want, past that want. e they make wha have want, past that toant. e they make wha have want, past that to get you have to go past that to get it. you have to go past that to get dn—dr— you have to go past that to get dn—drirnol it. get it. they do it all the tno— it. get it. they do it all the rdnolnow— it. get it. they do it all the time.-now, listen,- it. get it. they do it all the time. now, listen, you've time. but now, listen, if you've duod— just joined me, welcome aboard. dndo—now- this is gb news. it's now time for this is gb news. it's now time ro._s..r.y,- this is gb news. it's now timej for—sunday, where this is gb news. it's now time- for_sunday, where my for supplement sunday, where my panel— for supplement sunday, where my nanod-ddoouoo— for supplement sunday, where my panel-discuss some- for supplement sunday, where my panel discuss some of the panel and i discuss some of the nowo—oaudnr- news stories that caught their owo. — news stories that caught their owo. .dodnod— news stories that caught their eye. joined author eye. i'm joined by author and broadcaster— eye. i'm joined by author and broadcaster hamilton broadcaster christine hamilton and-aurnor— broadcaster christine hamilton and author broadcaster and also author and broadcaster . and— and also author and broadcaster . and wou— and also author and broadcaster .and you and— and also author and broadcaster . and you ain't written anything . on— . and you ain't written anything . on d— . and you ain't written anything . on d nawo— . and you ain't written anything . on d nawo nw— . and you ain't written anything . oh, i have my favourite . . oh, i have my favourite. i wrote— . oh, i have my favourite. i wrote a— . oh, i have my favourite. i wroro a d— . oh, i have my favourite. i wrote a i wrote— . oh, i have my favourite. i wrote a i wrote a- . oh, i have my favourite. i wrote a i wrote a cookbook . i've wrote a i wrote a cookbook. i've got a cookbook. yeah it was a pr

thing for when when i started thing for when i when i started to work at the pages . in it, to work at the bbc pages. in it, it was about was about 14 it was about it was about 14 recipes. just a bit of recipes. it was just a bit of a book about things like things like baked beans with cheese and cfisps like baked beans with cheese and crisps buttered toast. danny that's not. that's joining me, right? who's going to go first wdrn— right? who's going to go first wdrn dndo— d gn7 who's going to go first with this supplement? cmej d gn7 who's going to go first with this supplement? id�*n�*ire�*g with this supplement? okay. may i? with this supplement? okay. may n-rndo— with this supplement? okay. may n-rndoltuor— with this supplement? okay. may i? this just example with this supplement? okay. may i? how this just example with this supplement? okay. may i? how brilliantist example with this supplement? okay. may i? how brilliant animalsample with this supplement? okay. may i? how brilliant animals are..e with this supplement? okay. may i? how brilliant animals are. a of how brilliant animals are. a golden was given golden retriever who was given up golden retriever who was given ”p by golden retriever who was given up by his family because up by his his family because they couldn't afford him. well, anyway , someone adopted anyway, someone adopted the golden . they put him golden retriever. they put him in they in the car as soon as they opened the with new opened the car with his new forever home, the golden retriever and 20. listen, retriever bolted and 20. listen, 27 days later it went back to its original home. 40 miles away or 40 miles away. this is the of his new home. yeah. so he didn't want to go to his new home. and as soon as the door opened from the , the journey, the car, from the journey, from the car, from the journey, from the . and 27 the pound, he bolted. and 27 days later he went back to his old home. it's unbelievable . old home. it's unbelievable. it's hilarious. sounds like daoodo—

it's hilarious. sounds like lassie. that's— it's hilarious. sounds like lassie. that's lassie. lassie onowdnd— lassie. that's lassie. lassie are showing my— lassie. that's lassie. lassie are showing my age . i love are showing my age. i love daoodo— are showing my age. i love lassie. yeah,— are showing my age. i love lassie. yeah, lassie. come home. run— lassie. yeah, lassie. come home. run dndo— lassie. yeah, lassie. come home. run ddrrdo dog. — lassie. yeah, lassie. come home. that little dog. anyway,- lassie. yeah, lassie. come home. that little dog. anyway, what do you think? you. well, you think? what do you. well, mine, more mine, i'm afraid, is a bit more serious as well. _ mine, i'm afraid, is a bit more serious as well. sorry. that was serious. _more close- serious as well. sorry. that was serious. more close to serious. a bit more close to nono— serious. a bit more close to nono. cdwdd— serious. a bit more close to home. civil servants who have noon— home. civil servants who have been labelled _ home. civil servants who have been labelled in— home. civil servants who have been labelled in this report. cdwdd— been labelled in this report. civil servants— been labelled in this report. civil servants .— been labelled in this report. civil servants . they are civil servants. they are snowflakes— civil servants. they are snowflakes because they have un— snowflakes because they have up wdrn— snowflakes because they have come up with the— snowflakes because they have come up with the most ludicrous nurnorn— come up with the most ludicrous nurnorn od— come up with the most ludicrous number of excuses— come up with the most ludicrous number of excuses why they like to number of excuses why they like do work— number of excuses why they like do work from — number of excuses why they like to work from home. _ number of excuses why they like to work from home. one of them oordouodw— seriously has said that oonnurdnd— seriously has said that commuting to work makes him nonoodok— commuting to work makes him nonoodok .— commuting to work makes him homesick . another one has said homesick. another one has said rnar— homesick. another one has said rnar nodnd— homesick. another one has said that being asked— homesick. another one has said that being asked to travel to london— that being asked to travel to london-a— that being asked to travel to london-a week,- that being asked to travel to london a week, once a week that being asked to travel to lona)n a week, once a week that being asked to travel to lona meetingi week, once a week that being asked to travel to lona meeting is'eek, once a week that being asked to travel to lona meeting is causing:e a week that being asked to travel to lona meeting is causing me week for a meeting is causing me a goat— for a meeting is causing me a goat dod— for a meeting is causing me a great deal-stress- for a meeting is causing me a great deal stress and panic great deal of stress and panic arraoko— great deal of stress and panic arraoko .— great deal of stress and panic attacks . dominic— great deal of stress and panic attacks . dominic raab great deal of stress and panic attacks. dominic raab has said rnar— attacks. dominic raab has said rnar ono— attacks. dominic raab has said rnar od— attacks. dominic raab has said that one of the— attacks. dominic raab has said that one of the reasons why he arraokod— that one of the reasons why he was attacked was— that one of the reasons why he was attacked was because the rnranaddno— was attacked was because the mandarins couldn't handle the pace— mandarins couldn't handle the taco ,— mandarins couldn't handle the oaoo , tno— mandarins couldn't handle the pace , the standards the pace, the standards and the onaddondo— pace, the standards and the onaddondo-d— pace, the standards and the challenge i brought. and challenge that i brought. and dndo— challenge that i brought. and rndo do— challenge that i brought. and rndo do no— challenge that i brought. and this is the final— challenge that i brought. and this is the final one. an odddodad— this is the final one. an official at— this is the final one. an official at the- this is the final one. an official at the insolvency oondoo— official at the insolvency service, first— official at the insolvency service, first of all, called service, first of all, he called ndndororo— service, first of all, he called ministers scum _ service, first of all, he called ministers scum and then said ministers scum and then he said , ministers scum and then he said i , ministers scum and then he said , d wand— ministers scum and then he said , d wanr ro— ministers scum and then he said , d want o oo— ministers scum and then he said , i want to see this— ministers scum and then he said , i want to see this government onddrorarod— , i want to see this government obliterated and— , i want to see this government obliterated and utterly doorrowod— obliterated and utterly destroyed this is this should nor— destroyed this is this should not nawo— destroyed this is this should not have come— destroyed this is this should not have come to light. but it nao. — not have come to light. but it nao. drow- — not have come to light. but it nao. drow- d— not have come to light. but it has. wow. i mean,- not have come to light. but it has. wow. n has. wow. i mean, that's the thing travelling london thing with travelling for london once is stressful. i

once a week is stressful. i mean, we manage we, mean, we manage it, don't we, nanny— mean, we manage it, don't we, danny—place] danny yeah, i hate the place, our— danny yeah, i hate the place, our d— danny yeah, i hate the place, our d onw— danny yeah, i hate the place, but i only come— danny yeah, i hate the place, but i only come because i love nana— but i only come because i love nana-on— but i only come because i love nana-gb news- but i only come because i love nana gb news london. but i only come because i love- nana-gb news london. i nana and the gb news london. i taro— nana and the gb news london. i hate london. well,— nana and the gb news london. i hate london. well,_and. hate london. well, listen. and ddnaddw— hate london. well, listen. and finally—supplementl hate london. well, listen. and| finally—supplement. finally device my supplement. dno— finally device my supplement. dno wordd-o— finally device my supplement. the world's fattest cat . you? the world's fattest cat. you? no the world's fattest cat. you? do no— the world's fattest cat. you? do no again— the world's fattest cat. you? no me again has— the world's fattest cat. you? no me again has finally- the world's fattest cat. you? no me again has finally gone on a diet. yes , patches. the a diet. yes, patches. the dnrornor— 3 yes, patches. the internet sensation has put has noon— internet sensation has put has noon nur— internet sensation has put has noon our on— internet sensation has put has noon our on a— internet sensation has put has been put on a diet after he woddnod— been put on a diet after he wodonod dn— been put on a diet after he weighed in at— been put on a diet after he weighed in at a— been put on a diet after he weighed in at a whopping £40. he ourronrdw— weighed in at a whopping £40. he currently weighs— weighed in at a whopping £40. he currently weighs £38 and is well on no— currently weighs £38 and is well on no way— currently weighs £38 and is well on no way ro— currently weighs £38 and is well on his way to becoming a healthy oar.— on his way to becoming a healthy oar. wnar— on his way to becoming a healthy oar. wnar do— on his way to becoming a healthy cat. what do you— on his way to becoming a healthy cat. what do you think? fat oarod— cat. what do you think? fat oarod d— cat. what do you think? fat cats? i mean,— cat. what do you think? fat cats? i mean, have you got have you—voanl you ever had any cats? yeah, word.— you ever had any cats? yeah, word-taro— you ever had any cats? yeah, well, have three cats. well, we do have three cats. have what? i like about have you what? i like about overweight. your cats. no. what i overweight. your cats. no. what d-anour— overweight. your cats. no. what d-anour-orory- overweight. your cats. no. what i-about-story, though,l overweight. your cats. no. what i-abthis-story, though,l gn your cats. no. what i abthis supposedough, gn your cats. no. what i abthis supposed togh, gn your cats. no. what i abthis supposed to be i mean, this is supposed to be two— i mean, this is supposed to be like—sensation. . like an internet sensation. ddado— like an internet sensation. that's. that's— like an internet sensation. that's. that's dramatically shed half weight . it's only lost half its weight. it's only lost £2. i know. but i would £2. i know. i know. but i would love lose £2 this time next love to lose £2 this time next sunday. you never know. £2 a kilogram. oh, there's the toilet baggage . i've lost £2 to the baggage. i've lost £2 to the rotor— baggage. i've lost £2 to the toilet-times- baggage. i've lost £2 to the toilet-times .- baggage. i've lost £2 to the toilet-times . and- 333 i've lost £2 to the toilet times . and it's toilet many times. and it's a oua— toilet many times. and it's a oud dro— toilet many times. and it's a sugar. it's hard— toilet many times. and it's a sugar. it's hard .— toilet many times. and it's a sugar. it's hard . it's a bag of sugar. it's hard. it's a bag of oua— sugar. it's hard. it's a bag of our dro— sugar. it's hard. it's a bag of our dr-o-od- sugar. it's hard. it's a bag of sugar. it's of weight . sugar. it's a lot of weight. dro— sugar. it's a lot of weight. ddo-work— sugar. it's a lot of weight. it's-work-that. sugar. it's a lot of weight.- it's-work-that. but it's hard work losing that. but poondo— it's hard work losing that. but people orron— it's hard work losing that. but people often though feed. people often though they feed. they— people often though they feed. dnoy-kdnd— people often though they feed. dnoy-kdnd ro- people often though they feed. they-kind to feed. they think it's kind to feed rnodr— they think it's kind to feed their animals— they think it's kind to feed their animals over, feed their

andnado. — their animals over, feed their andnado. vou— their animals over, feed their animals. you see— their animals over, feed their animals. you see all these oworwoddnr— animals. you see all these overweight dogs , you know, they overweight dogs, you know, they end overweight dogs, you know, they ondlwdrn— overweight dogs, you know, they end .with _joints- overweight dogs, you know, they end with joints and end up with crippled joints and doodnooo.— end up with crippled joints and aoodnooo. nur— end up with crippled joints and goodness. but it's— end up with crippled joints and goodness. but it's kind to goodness. but it's not kind to owordood— goodness. but it's not kind to overfeed your— goodness. but it's not kind to overfeed your animals. no ' di; overfeed your animals. no are you— overfeed your animals. no are you an— overfeed your animals. no are you an andnad— overfeed your animals. no ' di; en en 7 they overfeed your animals. no ' di; en en ”7 they don't you an animal lover? they don't like . my friend have two cats like me. my friend have two cats and and and one of two dogs. sorry. and one of the dogs absolutely one of the dogs just absolutely hated intelligent dogs. one of the dogs just absolutely hattthey're intelligent dogs. one of the dogs just absolutely hattthey're intelligentent dogs. one of the dogs just absolutely hattthey're intelligent .nt dogs. one of the dogs just absolutely hattthey're intelligent . yeah. s. no, they're intelligent. yeah. instinctively_ no, they're intelligent. yeah. instinctively disliked you. i know— instinctively disliked you. i know where _ instinctively disliked you. i know where they're coming from. why— know where they're coming from. wny do— know where they're coming from. wny do no — know where they're coming from. wny do do on. — know where they're coming from. why is it? oh, no,— know where they're coming from. why is it? on nidi; know where they're coming from. why is it? on nridi; e why is it? oh, no, there wasn't time. well, isn't on why is it? on nridi; e e well, isn't on today's time. well, isn't on today's onow— time. well, isn't on today's show we've been- e well, isn't on today's show we've been asking. well, e well, isn't on today's showhatve been asking. well, e well, isn't on today's showhatve been going|. well, e well, isn't on today's showhatve been going|. vsay ? no. what are you going to say? do.— no. what are you going to say? do. nodd— no. what are you going to say? no. word. wo— no. what are you going to say? no. word. wo-a— no. what are you going to say? no. well, we-a-cat. no. well, we had a lovely cat that took us no, it's one that took us over. no, it's one minute. one five 30s. no we haven't even got that on today's show. i've been asking , should show. i've been asking, should we-allegiance_ show. i've been asking, should we-allegiancelthe- i've been asking, should we allegiance the king we swear allegiance to the king and— we swear allegiance to the king and aooorddnd— we swear allegiance to the king and according to— we swear allegiance to the king and according to our twitter nodd— and according to our twitter oodd soro— and according to our twitter pod, ooro od— and according to our twitter poll, 38% of you— and according to our twitter poll, 38% of you say yes. 62% of you— poll, 38% of you say yes. 62% of you oay— poll, 38% of you say yes. 62% of you oay — poll, 38% of you say yes. 62% of you say no. really?— poll, 38% of you say yes. 62% of you say no. really? i thought you-d— you say no. really? i thought you-d no— you say no. really? i thought you-d no road— you say no. really? i thought you'd be real royalist like me. dn— you'd be real royalist like me. d-n—dr— you'd be real royalist like me. d-n—dr add.- you'd be real royalist like me. i'm—it all. it's- i'm going to do it all. it's going— i'm going to do it all. it's going ro— i'm going to do it all. it's going to.great. - i'm going to do it all. it's- going to.great. _thank going to be great. listen, thank youlnuon— going to be great. listen, thank you-much-panel,- going to be great. listen, thank you much panel, author going to be great. listen, thank you broadcaster panel, author going to be great. listen, thank you broadcaster christine, author and broadcaster christine hammon— and broadcaster christine hamilton. christine, thank you won— hamilton. christine, thank you won-.— hamilton. christine, thank you wory-. any— hamilton. christine, thank you wory-. any tno- hamilton. christine, thank you very . any time. also very much. any time. and also wondordud— very much. any time. and also wonderful journalist and broadcaster— wonderful journalist and broadcaster danny kelly. thank you.— broadcaster danny kelly. thank you. dnar— broadcaster danny kelly. thank you. that wonderful slipped out and onn— you. that wonderful slipped out and obe, thank— you. that wonderful slipped out and obe, thank you to you at nono— and obe, thank you to you at home_-- and obe, thank you to you at nono—. d-ddi and obe, thank you to you at. nono—. did no home for your company. i'll be back— back next week at 3:00. same tno— back next week at 3:00. same rdno, oo— back next week at 3:00. same time, same place.— back next week at 3:00. same time, same place. but actually

for no— time, same place. but actually for the coronation.— time, same place. but actually for the coronation. i'll leave time, same place. but actually for twithoronation. i'll leave time, same place. but actually for with the ation. i'll leave time, same place. but actually for with the weather. leave time, same place. but actually for with the weather. enjoys time, same place. but actually for with the weather. enjoy .

don't trade on your royal status and trash it at the same time. and that's something that i've got a problem with. former labour mp ruth— :diid former labour mp ruth anderson, one of my big— labour mp ruth anderson, one of my big frustrations— labour mp ruth anderson, one of my big frustrations is actually about— my big frustrations is actually about self—censorship. there is about self—censorship. there is a huge— about self—censorship. there is a huge aoud— about self—censorship. there is a huge amount, a— about self—censorship. there is a huge amount, a number of wnoro— a huge amount, a number of issues where i— a huge amount, a number of issues where i think lots of ooondo— issues where i think lots of ww“! dood— issues where i think lots of people feel really uncomfortable. if especially noauoo— uncomfortable. if especially noauoo od— uncomfortable. if especially because of social media, about radodnd— because of social media, about radodnd rnodr— because of social media, about raising their head— because of social media, about raising their head above the paratroo— raising their head above the parapet, about— raising their head above the parapet, about getting involved in parapet, about getting involved dn a— parapet, about getting involved dn a donaro.— parapet, about getting involved in a debate. chair— parapet, about getting involved in a debate. chair of the ruordoo— in a debate. chair of the justice select- in a debate. chair of the justice select committee, bob uoddd. — justice select committee, bob uoddd. d— justice select committee, bob uoddd. d wand— justice select committee, bob neill. i want to— justice select committee, bob neill. i want to try- justice select committee, bob neill. en: n3