don't trade on your royal status and trash it at the same time. and that's something that i've got a problem with. former labour mp ruth— gin former labour mp ruth anderson, gt: former labour mp ruth anderson, one gt former labour mp ruth anderson, one of my big— labour mp ruth anderson, one of my big frustrations— labour mp ruth anderson, one of my big frustrations is actually about— my big frustrations is actually about self—censorship. there is about self—censorship. there is a huge— about self—censorship. there is o nugo mount— about self—censorship. there is a huge amount, a— about self—censorship. there is a huge amount, a number of unem— a huge amount, a number of issues where i— a huge amount, a number of issues where i think lots of people— issues where i think lots of poopto toot— issues where i think lots of people feel really uncomfortable. if especially tooouo— uncomfortable. if especially tooouo ot— uncomfortable. if especially because of social media, about mung— because of social media, about tototno tnotn— because of social media, about raising their head— because of social media, about raising their head above the parapet:— raising their head above the parapet, about— raising their head above the parapet, about getting involved in parapet, about getting involved tn o— parapet, about getting involved tn o denote.— parapet, about getting involved in a debate. chair— parapet, about getting involved in a debate. chair of the justice— in a debate. chair of the justice select- in a debate. chair of the justice select committee, bob tottt. — justice select committee, bob tottt. ._ justice select committee, bob tottt. . nont— justice select committee, bob neill. i want to— justice select committee, bob neill. i want to try- justice select committee, bob neill. e�*t: justice select committee, bob neill. utt�*»: g

neill. i want to try and bring our experience to and make our experience to try and make something out of what something positive out of what was a bad experience for us as a family. all that after you . news family. all that after you. news anu— family. all that after you. news and good— family. all that after you. news and good evening to you. it is 6:00. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. the government is planning an extra evacuation flight from sudan tomorrow for british nationals trying to leave the country. it will depart from the eastern city of port sudan, where earlier the first shipment of humanitarian aid arrived. those hoping to leave the country are being told to get to the international airport there before midday. british navy ships have also docked in port sudan to support evacuation efforts. however the rsf paramilitary force says it will extend the truce for a further 72 hours from midnight tonight, although gunfire has been heard in khartoum today, undermining the current ceasefire . the nurses union has ceasefire. the nurses union has

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gloria meets . gloria meets. concert . lviv mp gloria meets. concert. lviv mp bob seely elected— gloria meets. concert. lviv mp bob seely elected in- c t lviv mp bob seely elected in 2017 to represent— bob seely elected in 2017 to represent the— bob seely elected in 2017 to represent the isle of wight at. good— represent the isle of wight at. good to— represent the isle of wight at. good to tott— represent the isle of wight at. good to talk to— represent the isle of wight at. good to talk to you. we're going to tott— good to talk to you. we're going to tott otout— good to talk to you. we're going to talk about personal stuff and your— to talk about personal stuff and your uto— to talk about personal stuff and your ttto story— to talk about personal stuff and your life story shortly. but i wont— your life story shortly. but i wont to— your life story shortly. but i want to start— your life story shortly. but i want to start out- your life story shortly. but i want to start out because i'm tntotootot— want to start out because i'm interested in— want to start out because i'm interested in you— want to start out because i'm interested in you trying to mongo— interested in you trying to onongo tno— interested in you trying to change the law as a backbench mn— change the law as a backbench nt- mono— change the law as a backbench nt- mom to— change the law as a backbench nt- mom to o— change the law as a backbench mp. there is a vehicle called me— mp. there is a vehicle called me mutto— mp. there is a vehicle called the private member's bill to do it. the private member's bill to do t. n— the private member's bill to do it. it concerns— the private member's bill to do it. it concerns the— the private member's bill to do it. it concerns the duke and nuonooo— it. it concerns the duke and nuonooo ot— it. it concerns the duke and duchess of sussex, harry and nognon. — duchess of sussex, harry and nognon. tott— duchess of sussex, harry and meghan. tell me— duchess of sussex, harry and meghan. tell me what you're tung— meghan. tell me what you're tntng to— meghan. tell me what you're tntng tolono— meghan. tell me what you're trying to and why. trying to do and why. okay. i moto— trying to do and why. okay. i mean, there isn't enough time for members parliament to for members of parliament to change actually we for members of parliament to changa actually we for members of parliament to changa system, actually we for members of parliament to changa system, in actually we for members of parliament to changa system, in my|ally we for members of parliament to changa system, in my opinion , need a system, in my opinion, that's closer to the united states easier for states where it's easier for backbench mps from whatever party to come and bring in party to come in and bring in good it makes the good ideas because it makes the system better. some laws system work better. if some laws can backbenchers can start from backbenchers and rather do today. and

rather more than do today. and there's a couple of brought in there's a couple of brought in the one that you're referring to, is about the duke to, gloria, is about the duke and of sussex, has and duchess of sussex, which has been picked quite widely, been picked up quite widely, which very nice of people which is very nice of people look , if you're the duke of look, if you're the duke of sussex or the duke and duchess of sussex, i just find it very uncomfortable . and i think a uncomfortable. and i think a huge number of your viewers would agree that you either respect the system , you have respect the system, you have your titles, everyone have zahawi, especially in the us . zahawi, especially in the us. you respect the system. you keep your titles, and either you play a positive role as a lot of the roles do in this country, or you live quietly as individuals, but you can't trade and trash you can't trade on your royal status s whilst at the same time trashing it. and so i think for me, i just think that's wrong . me, i just think that's wrong. and there was a bill passed back in 1917 during world war i where foreign princes who were grandkids of queen victoria could be stripped of their uk royal titles if, for example, they were fighting for the

germans in world war i. so it's not a great analogy for now, but what i'm trying to do is bring in some amendments to that bill just to say, right, we've got a bill can strip royal bill that can strip royal princes of titles, which, regardless which one it is, regardless of which one it is, and we should amend that now. so the privy council bill can strip princes, royal princes of titles. should the case be.7 now, titles. should the case be? now, i'm not a republican , so my i'm not a republican, so my ancestors were, but i'm not a republican. i think the monarchy actually plays a really important role, a valuable role . i thought the queen was an extraordinary human had . i thought the queen was an extrprivilege human had . i thought the queen was an extrprivilege ofiman had . i thought the queen was an extrprivilege of meeting had . i thought the queen was an extrprivilege of meeting her1ad the privilege of meeting her once.i the privilege of meeting her once. i think she was absolutely wonderful. and actually, you see, it's almost with her passing. see a passing. you see what a remarkable figure was. remarkable figure she was. i think william kate are doing think william and kate are doing a job. i think a fantastic job. i think princess anne, i think they all do brilliant jobs. and that's really especially really important, especially for the this the voluntary sector in this country. trade on country. but you can't trade on your status and trash it your royal status and trash it at time. and that's at the same time. and that's something i've got something that i've got a problem with. and i suspect, gloria, gb news gloria, a lot of gb news listeners have got a lot of viewers have got a problem with as do you think they as well. do you think they should have their titles

removed? because you're removed? because what you're stung — saying is you're going to. not.— saying is you're going to. wot-gong— saying is you're going to. well,-going to- saying is you're going to. well,-going to give. saying is you're going to. well, going to give people well, i'm going to give people the choice. i think if they want to carry. i personally think yes, do. but yes, obviously i do. but actually, just to update actually, we just need to update the so princes behave the law. so if princes behave really badly or princess behave really badly or princess behave really they have really badly, they can have their i'm their titles removed. what i'm doing the good bits doing is defending the good bits of constitutional monarchy and of a constitutional monarchy and saying, absolutely, you know, absolutely, but absolutely, let's keep it. but if you don't behave well, then actually you've think actually you've got to think about you you have about whether you are you have got right stuff to be and to got the right stuff to be and to represent royal family in represent the royal family in whatever guise, how far along the process are you in getting that become law? well, it's that to become law? well, it's funny you say that because i'm actually got a meeting this week. i tomorrow the week. i think tomorrow with the clerks very kindly clerks who are very kindly writing the bill. realistically i will present it realistically. there is sadly not that great a chance of it becoming law, but i'm it out there as a i'm putting it out there as a first reading. so in the months and years to come, if there is a mood in parliament to change it, there something the stocks there is something on the stocks through we can do so . are through which we can do so. are you pleased harry's coming- g :“ wt“ »t“ »ttt“ »:»t» are you pleased harry's coming to the coronation _ you pleased harry's coming to the coronation gt» “g g the coronation i'm going to give you french very gallic shrug. you a french very gallic shrug.

you know i do. i do. i carry the way. i'm not sure. i really do, to be honest. i think the monarchy plays a really important role in our lives, but i think we need to make sure that continues to play that that it continues to play that positive role. and that's what my bill is about. you know, some people— my bill is about. you know, some poopto soy:— my bill is about. you know, some poopto not: on— my bill is about. you know, some poopto on: oh, tnoy— my bill is about. you know, some people say, oh, they feel- tt you know, some people say, oh, they feel for nun— people say, oh, they feel for harry—sad harry and meghan they say thev've— harry and meghan they say. they've—unfairly. they've been treated unfairly. we they've been treated unfairly. no son— they've been treated unfairly. no not ot— they've been treated unfairly. we sort of know— they've been treated unfairly. we sort of know they haven't. moo-vo— we sort of know they haven't. tnoy-vo toen— we sort of know they haven't. they've been sorry. _ we sort of know they haven't. they've been sorry. imean, - we sort of know they haven't. thejlook)eethe coveragean, if we sort of know they haven't. thejlook)eethe coverage they you look at the coverage they had, were we over had, we were we bent over backwards to welcome them and everyone felt hugely sympathetic to for what been to harry for what he'd been through. actually, they've got such outpouring of love, such a huge outpouring of love, so i don't buy that. sorry. okay so that is interesting so much. that is interesting about— so much. that is interesting about you.— so much. that is interesting about you. lots— so much. that is interesting about you. lots of people say pottttotono:— about you. lots of people say politicians, they— about you. lots of people say politicians, they don't really noto— politicians, they don't really novo o— politicians, they don't really novo u not— politicians, they don't really have a not really had proper jobs— have a not really had proper jobs on— have a not really had proper jobs or met— have a not really had proper jobs or they don't have real uto— jobs or they don't have real life experience— jobs or they don't have real life experience ._ jobs or they don't have real life experience . from 2008 to life experience. from 2008 to zom— life experience. from 2008 to zoom you— life experience. from 2008 to 2017, you served— life experience. from 2008 to 2017, you served in the british unet— 2017, you served in the british armed forces— 2017, you served in the british armed forces on— 2017, you served in the british armed forces on the iraq afghanistan— armed forces on the iraq afghanistan ,_ armed forces on the iraq afghanistan , libya and isis afghanistan, libya and isis oompotgnn— afghanistan, libya and isis campaigns. the toughest moment i am campaigns. the toughest moment i m to— campaigns. the toughest moment i am can be slightly— campaigns. the toughest moment i am can be slightly naive sometimes. _ am can be slightly naive

sometimes. so the stuff is probably sounds like i haven't got the greatest judgement. i was it was. it was the isis campaign and we were sitting there waiting for a retake of a mountain called sinjar mountain. and we were helping out with the kurdish peshmerga forces. so i have a huge respect for them. they were impressive people and we were a couple of hours, middle of the night, weren't too far from the front line. and suddenly i heard what sounded like sort of sparklers or something in the sky. and i thought, well, that sounds a bit nice. i wonder what that is. and then at that point, one of my colleagues shouted mortar and slammed the ground. and slammed me to the ground. and because they obviously had a much idea a mortar much better idea what a mortar incoming like, but incoming mortar sounds like, but apparently that is the sound of apparently that is the sound of a mortar when it's a bit a mortar when it's coming a bit too for comfort. mean, too close for comfort. i mean, it's landed away. it it's landed 50 yards away. it wasn't too bad and the shrapnel went but yeah, i had went elsewhere. but yeah, i had a experience iraq went elsewhere. but yeah, i had a we experience iraq went elsewhere. but yeah, i had a we were rience iraq went elsewhere. but yeah, i had a we were out:e iraq went elsewhere. but yeah, i had a we were out hunting| went elsewhere. but yeah, i had a we were out hunting the when we were out hunting the rocket attack teams and we were in some boats in the basra marshes. and you sort of marshes. and again, you sort of heard sort of crackling heard this sort of crackling soundin heard this sort of crackling sound in sky. and i thought,

sound in the sky. and i thought, well, know, thought it well, you know, and i thought it was festivities . and then was eid festivities. and then sadly, realised we were sadly, i realised that we were coming under a rocket attack again. was again. luckily, nobody was killed. yeah , thank you and killed. but yeah, thank you and thank you for your service to, to to, the country. i was a very accidental soldier. i mean, i was i was going to go and do it properly when i was 18, 19. did my bit before the regular commission board then decided against want against it because i don't want to live in germany to go and live in germany because that's the because that's where the tank regiment served regiment i would have served with. and then i joined as a just a private and then a, you know, junior and got know, a very junior nco and got mobilised go to iraq and mobilised to go to iraq and a fantastic tour. so i was a very accidental soldier, but i did a lot of my time. i did ten years and actually i really recommend it. something that's it. something else that's tntotoottng— it. something else that's. interesting—that interesting about you is that you—ttmo- interesting about you is that you—ttmo tn- interesting about you is that you—time in the| you spent some time in the sovtot— you spent some time in the soviet-when- you spent some time in the soviet-when you- you spent some time in the soviet when you were soviet union when you were young,— soviet union when you were tom-zeo- soviet union when you were young,-20s, even. young, in your 20s, even younger.— young, in your 20s, even younger. too— young, in your 20s, even younger. i've done everything in the younger. i've done everything in tno—ttto. i the wrong order in my life. tonn— the wrong order in my life. toot. ._ the wrong order in my life. noon, t tonn— the wrong order in my life. noon, t yoon ._ the wrong order in my life. yeah, i yeah, i was- the wrong order in my life. yeah, i yeah, i was a- the wrong order in my life. yeah, i yeah, i was a stringer for the times, actually, and for the washington post. and went the washington post. and i went out when was, i think out there when i was, i think just 21, and i went there on an education because

education holiday because i'd been as a journalist, been working as a journalist, had some money the first had some money for the first time my life. and i thought time in my life. and i thought i can either go and lie on a beach in i can off to in tunisia or i can go off to west ukraine and which was then in the soviet union. and david alton, well known liberal alton, very well known liberal mp. peer, mp. now very well known peer, does work on human rights does great work on human rights stuff, human rights, stuff, proper human rights, you know, advocate and know, he's a real advocate and champion, in places champion, especially in places like hong kong and elsewhere. and assistant, was a and his assistant, who was a mate at the time when mate of mine at the time when david alton was mp, go mate of mine at the time when dawestlton was mp, go mate of mine at the time when dawest ukraine mp, go mate of mine at the time when dawest ukraine because go mate of mine at the time when dawest ukraine because you're) to west ukraine because you're going to meet priests there who are being the chernobyl are being sent to the chernobyl cleanup operation without protective clothing. they protective clothing. so they all get cancer and die. and i thought a young 20 year thought as a young man, 20 year old brought up during old who'd been brought up during the cold war, you know, always wondering whether we're all going in a nuclear going to get killed in a nuclear war i war of that generation. i thought that's really fascinating thought fascinating thing. and i thought i cunous fascinating thing. and i thought i curious life. fascinating thing. and i thought i so curious life. fascinating thing. and i thought i so i curious life. fascinating thing. and i thought i so i thought,|s life. fascinating thing. and i thought i so i thought, okay, life. fascinating thing. and i thought i so i thought, okay, i'vefe. and so i thought, okay, i've never been to the soviet union. i want to find out if ronald reagan is right, if it is this great he was right. great evil empire. he was right. it was it an evil empire. no it was it was an evil empire. no question about it. and i went out i met all these

out there and i met all these priests and rocked up in a priests and i rocked up in a place called lviv, a in place called lviv, a city in western ukraine. in the first easter that the soviet regime and had allowed them and gorbachev had allowed them to practise christianity openly and openly. to practise christianity openly and all openly. to practise christianity openly and all little openly. to practise christianity openly and all little old openly. and all these little old babushkas little old ladies babushkas and little old ladies all because my all look like my mum because my mum of sort of comes from mum sort of sort of comes from that part of the world as well. all little ladies all these little old ladies turned up with their beautiful little painted eggs, which were real plastic real eggs, not sort of plastic eggs, but sort of real eggs, which they painted in these little baskets. little wicker baskets. and they'd the villages they'd come in from the villages around and it was just the around lviv, and it was just the colours and sounds of all colours and the sounds of all these pocket baroque these little pocket baroque cathedrals. will cathedrals. and lviv will stay with and then i went with me forever. and then i went off kyiv some freelancing off to kyiv did some freelancing and said, you and then the times said, do you want there want to go back there permanently? and i had three and a four years of travelling a half, four years of travelling around the soviet union, post—soviet lots post—soviet states, having lots of i have to say of adventures. and i have to say it the you know, i'm it was one of the you know, i'm lucky i've had three fantastic jobs in my life and that was one of you're fantastic of them. and you're fantastic job because we're assuming. job now because we're assuming. yeah, no that's yeah. this yeah, yeah. no that's yeah. this is number three and i hope my last job, you know. last fantastic job, you know. we'll we'll you

we'll see. we'll see you represent— we'll see. we'll see you represent o— �*fott; tt we'll see you represent a beautiful part of me— represent a beautiful part of me nont- — represent a beautiful part of me nont- ._ represent a beautiful part of the world. i do.— represent a beautiful part of the world. i do. member of parliament—of. the world. i do. member of- parliament_of wight parliament for the isle of wight tooouo— parliament for the isle of wight tooouo tt— parliament for the isle of wight tooouo t to— parliament for the isle of wight because it is so— parliament for the isle of wight because it is so beautiful. it is because it is so beautiful. it to—nto- because it is so beautiful. it tomo— totsl because it is so beautiful. it. tomo— tots ot is fabulous. there are lots of wealthy people from outside the isle of wight who think, i'll have bit of that, please. have a bit of that, please. i'll have my second home there. okay— i'll have my second home there. okay t-m— i'll have my second home there. otoy t-m oun— i'll have my second home there. okay i'm sure that— i'll have my second home there. okay i'm sure that has challenges— okay i'm sure that has challenges ,- okay i'm sure that has challenges , but also some challenges, but also some some mont— challenges, but also some some not too.— challenges, but also some some not too. nut— challenges, but also some some merit too. but should they pay a bit merit too. but should they pay a ttt mom.— merit too. but should they pay a ttt voo— merit too. but should they pay a bit more? yes they— merit too. but should they pay a bit more? yes they do. »:»t»“ t bit more? yes they do. i don't tntnt— bit more? yes they do. i don't tntnt they— bit more? yes they do. i don't think they should . it depends think they should. it depends where you are and your pressures. so i think our anti—tory coalition council said we want to pay them. they want to pay the maximum amount. it's up for our councillors to decide the amount. so i do think they should pay more. how much more is open for debate? look there are some communities you go to a place like sevilla , 80% second place like sevilla, 80% second home that is painful because outside and that's traditional that people then it's very heavily packed in summer. it's gorgeous. you know, the sailing club there, the yacht club is fantastic. they also do really

good work with our local schools to make sure that the kids who would never normally go sailing come so there's come through there. so there's a lot good that happens in that lot of good that happens in that community. you have a community. but when you have a community. but when you have a community that is pretty deserted outside the holiday season, for that season, it is bad for that community. motty yarmouth, community. motty and yarmouth, again wight again in the west. wight near where it's of 40% where i live, it's sort of 40% second bembridge also second home. and bembridge also . so there are some communities on island like cornwall, on the island like cornwall, like devon that like dorset, like devon that have home owners and have high second home owners and that have a really damaging that can have a really damaging impact second, can impact. but second, homes can also bring really important life experience and contacts and wealth and money and ideas. and a lot of them, especially as they get older, tend to base themselves on the island and the london pad becomes somewhere they occasionally go their they occasionally go as their lives, then towards lives, then gravitate towards the is complex, the island. so it is complex, but for sure they should pay more. but for sure we need to look after islanders. one of the reasons i led my planning revolt revolt was that we needed exceptional circumstance. we needed to be able for places like the isle of wight to plead that we have a unique case because we're an island and

actually build housing for islanders. so that's been my priority. okay. islanders. so that's been my priority . okay. final question. priority. okay. final question. and— priority. okay. final question. and ._ priority. okay. final question. ant . wo— priority. okay. final question. and i was hurrying— t,» okay. final question. and i was hurrying you because i non-t— and i was hurrying you because i tttn-t nont— and i was hurrying you because i didn't want this— and i was hurrying you because i didn't want this final question to otto— didn't want this final question to ottn ott— didn't want this final question to slip off. you— didn't want this final question to slip off. you are a single tn— to slip off. you are a single man in politics.— to slip off. you are a single man in politics. yes. yes. how on outn— man in politics. yes. yes. how on oonn to— man in politics. yes. yes. how on earth do you— man in politics. yes. yes. how on earth do you date? »:»t» on earth do you date? i do, actually-— on earth do you date? i do, notuntty. ._ on earth do you date? i do, actually. i manage. i mean , i actually. i manage. i mean, i have avoiding dating apps, but i mean, you tell me that some mps do it. maybe i should. i don't know , i it's working out. okay. know, i it's working out. okay. so far. what? i'm looking for some wood. i don't want to lean too far over . actually, there's too far over. actually, there's some. there isn't . so. yeah, some. there isn't. so. yeah, we'll see. but i managed it just about bob seely. thank you very muon. — about bob seely. thank you very muon. mot— about bob seely. thank you very much. that was— about bob seely. thank you very much. that was wide— thank you very much. that was wide ranging. it tun— much. that was wide ranging. it tun ont— much. that was wide ranging. it tun and t— much. that was wide ranging. it was fun and it was— much. that was wide ranging. it was fun and it was really interesting. _ was fun and it was really interesting. thank you, bob sooty.— interesting. thank you, bob sooty. mont— interesting. thank you, bob seely. thank you. coming up, tx—totoun— seely. thank you. coming up, ex—labour mp— seely. thank you. coming up, ex—labour mp ruth anderson. i never travelled _ ex—labour mp ruth anderson. i never travelled alone. - ex—labour mp ruth anderson. i never travelled alone. i- ex—labour mp ruth anderson. never travelled alone. i wasn't allowed on public transport for three years by myself. i had to move home in london on the advice of the police because they weren't confident they

could secure or secure my old house. everything changed. coming up, chair of the justice smoot— coming up, chair of the justice select committee,— coming up, chair of the justice select committee, bob neil. tt-s— select committee, bob neil. it's unacceptable— select committee, bob neil. it's unacceptable that- select committee, bob neil. it's unacceptable that people are waiting for trials to be heard. some two years or sometimes more after the event .

happen. you're listening to gb news radio . news radio. ruth anderson if you were ruth smeeth , the labour mp , until smeeth, the labour mp, until that last general election. now i said to you when we g :»t»“ now i said to you when we were ongontotng— i said to you when we were organising this— i said to you when we were organising this interview, i wanted— organising this interview, i wanted to— organising this interview, i wanted to talk— organising this interview, i wanted to talk to you about your oxononono— wanted to talk to you about your oxoponono ot— wanted to talk to you about your experience of being a jewish totoun— experience of being a jewish totout nt— experience of being a jewish labour mp during a very ottttoutt— labour mp during a very difficult period and you pulled me difficult period and you pulled mo up— difficult period and you pulled mo up on— difficult period and you pulled me up on tnot— difficult period and you pulled me up on that and said, i'm not just— me up on that and said, i'm not just o— me up on that and said, i'm not just o nonn— me up on that and said, i'm not just a jewish labour tell me me up on that and said, i'm not just you nish labour tell me me up on that and said, i'm not just you pulled bour tell me me up on that and said, i'm not just you pulled me' tell me me up on that and said, i'm not just you pulled me up tell me me up on that and said, i'm not just you pulled me up on'ell me me up on that and said, i'm not just you pulled me up on that. e why you pulled me up on that. i tntnt— why you pulled me up on that. i tntnt tt-o— why you pulled me up on that. i tntnt no me— why you pulled me up on that. i think it's the one— why you pulled me up on that. i think it's the one thing i really— think it's the one thing i really resent— think it's the one thing i really resent and i said it to corby“— really resent and i said it to comm ot— really resent and i said it to corbyn at the— really resent and i said it to corbyn at the time, that he uoutt— corbyn at the time, that he uoutt — corbyn at the time, that he would rue the— corbyn at the time, that he would rue the day that made would rue the day that he made me would rue the day that he made no otouton— would rue the day that he made me a jewish member of parliament

tooouo— me a jewish member of parliament tooouo up— me a jewish member of parliament because up until— me a jewish member of parliament because up until that i've been oompotgntng— because up until that i've been oompotgntng tot— because up until that i've been campaigning for the labour party,— campaigning for the labour potty: too— campaigning for the labour party, i've been— campaigning for the labour party, i've been part the party, i've been part of the moon— party, i've been part of the totout tony— party, i've been part of the labour party my whole life. i comet-— labour party my whole life. i come-a family,- labour party my whole life. i come-a family, a- labour party my whole life. i come-a family, a part. come from a family, a part that's of the labour that's part of the labour movement. who are. movement. it's who we are. it's what were. i door knocked for what we were. i door knocked for the first time during the 92 general election when i was 11. like this was who i was and like this was just who i was and i'd been a jewish i'd never been a jewish anything. i was labour anything. i was a labour activist. was a feminist. activist. i was a feminist. i was a brit who happened all of those things, who happened to be jewish. and suddenly arnie from 2016 onwards, the only bit of my identity that seemed relevant for certain people was the fact i also happen to be jewish and i can't tell you how much i resented it. not because i'm jewish, that i am so proud of, but because they turned it on its head and they made that as if that was all i was. and i wasn't all of my friends like you didn't care that i was jewish. i think i'm not even sure you would have thought about the fact i was jewish. i was a mate. like it was not i'm not even sure i knew that you

were jewish. actually, before the were jewish. actually, before to unoto— t»u'»t;"»t; 9“ actually, before the whole anti—semitism. tuttitti 9“ actually, before the whole anti—semitism. “tilt?" the whole anti—semitism. yeah, i was someone who'd _ the whole anti—semitism. yeah, i was someone who'd always been around, campaigned, was someone who'd always been arounpart campaigned, was someone who'd always been arounpart of campaigned, was someone who'd always been arounpart of the mpaigned, was someone who'd always been arounpart of the trade|ned, was someone who'd always been arounpart of the trade union been part of the trade union movement. and then these people all was the all decided that that was the only thing i was. i wasn't. i was a member of parliament in my own right. i was someone that cared about national security and was campaigning and defence that was campaigning on hunger before marcus on holiday hunger before marcus rashford you know, it was all of the things that who i was. and then they decided that there was one thing that was relevant to me and worse than they made that thing a political football and changed my life beyond all recognition . and it would have recognition. and it would have been so easy to stop. so that's why i'm adamant also at this point , i've got why i'm adamant also at this point, i've got a why i'm adamant also at this point , i've got a new life, point, i've got a new life, right? like that had to be. it was part of the name to change last chapter, new chapter. but i was just so how dare they? so when the labour party- 7 so when the labour party went tnnougn— when the labour party went tnnougn tnto— when the labour party went through this period when it was mttot— through this period when it was mttot tn— through this period when it was mired in allegations of anti—semitism, you said that ponot— anti—semitism, you said that period changed— anti—semitism, you said that period changed your life. i just uontotot— period changed your life. i just wondered how— period changed your life. i just wondered how it— period changed your life. i just

wondered how it impacted you. did wondered how it impacted you. on t— wondered how it impacted you. on t tmnoot— wondered how it impacted you. did it impact you— wondered how it impacted you. did it impact you on a daily toots— did it impact you on a daily tooto tn— did it impact you on a daily basis in your— did it impact you on a daily basis in your own words ? basis in your own words? so i'm it's basis in your own words? so i'm no enou— basis in your own words? so i'm no emu to— basis in your own words? so i'm no easy to just— basis in your own words? so i'm it's easy to just think about this as sort of moments of crisis and especially after the 20 after 2018 into 2019 when it was sort of a daily occurrence, but actually for me, everything changed on the 30th of june 2016. now prior to that, i had raised the issues of anti—semitism with with corbyn and the leadership nearly every week from january 2016, i was vice chair of the parliamentary labour party. i had a meeting with corbyn, with others parliamentary committee every week and was raising the fact that it was issues which already had the investigation into what was happening. the jam royal investigation into what was happening at labour club. happening at oxford labour club. and a thing and so anti—semitism was a thing which is why shami chakrabarti and so anti—semitism was a thing whi(beenvhy shami chakrabarti and so anti—semitism was a thing whi(been broughtni chakrabarti and so anti—semitism was a thing whi(been brought in.zhakrabarti and so anti—semitism was a thing whi(been brought in. and'abarti and so anti—semitism was a thing whi(been brought in. and theni had been brought in. and then there the launch of the there was the launch of the shami chakrabarti report at and my corrections and what

my inner corrections and what happened at the event which , happened at the event which, which the repercussions of that changed my life beyond what happened at that event. so, so the labour party held- happened at that event. so, so the labour party held a,- so, so the labour party held a, an investigation— the labour party held a, an investigation really into anti—semitism within the labour mutu- — anti—semitism within the labour mutu- n— anti—semitism within the labour nonu- tt noo— anti—semitism within the labour party. it was commissioned by the party. it was commissioned by too toooon— party. it was commissioned by the leader of— party. it was commissioned by the leader of the— party. it was commissioned by the leader of the then leader of the leader of the then leader of too totoun— the leader of the then leader of the labour party,— the leader of the then leader of the labour party, jeremy corbyn. snont — the labour party, jeremy corbyn. shami chakrabarti— the labour party, jeremy corbyn. shami chakrabarti announced the ttnotnoo— shami chakrabarti announced the ttnotnoo ot— shami chakrabarti announced the ttnotnoo ot o— shami chakrabarti announced the findings at a press— shami chakrabarti announced the findings at a press conference. nou— findings at a press conference. nou noo— findings at a press conference. nou tn— findings at a press conference. you were in the— findings at a press conference. you were in the audience? “tit; you were in the audience? yes, i tn— you were in the audience? yes, i to tho— you were in the audience? yes, i was in the audience.— you were in the audience? yes, i was in the audience. i was invited. i had participated. i'd been interviewed by chakrabarti and i and the leader's office hadianed and i and the leader's office had invited me and had requested my presence. vice chair of the parliamentary labour party, jewish mp . i arrived very early jewish mp. i arrived very early in morning . it jewish mp. i arrived very early in morning. it was jewish mp. i arrived very early in morning . it was really in the morning. it was really weird . i mean, context is always weird. i mean, context is always everything, right? so this was june 26th. i mean , we just had june 26th. i mean, we just had the brexit referendum and on the monday of that week many people had resigned from including me, had resigned from including me, had refused to serve jeremy corbyn going forward and for lots of different reasons. actually, on that monday when i

resigned and i refused to pubush resigned and i refused to publish my letter, i was the only one of those of us who resigned because i'd said i couldn't serve him based on anti—semitism anymore. but i also had put in. i know how damaging it would be if i published this letter. little did i realise what was going to happen later that so i was happen later that week, so i was at the launch of the event. corbyn staff had turned it into a tried to turn it into a a i tried to turn it into a rally for corbyn. so you'd sort of assume that an event to talk about anti—semitism and the about anti—semitism and how the labour going to tackle labour party was going to tackle anti—semite ism would have lots of jews and would be a of jews present and would be a very responsible thing. very serious, responsible thing. and there were loads of and actually there were loads of people there as people that were just there as jeremy supporters , and it jeremy corbyn supporters, and it had a really toxic feel before it started. it was there was something in the air, you know, when you walk into a certain room and there's something really odd and i was sitting in front of journalists, journalists behind me, man, came up was handing leaflets up and was handing out leaflets and i repeat, context is everything . we lost jo cox two everything. we lost jo cox two weeks before. do you remember the person that murdered her,

assassinated her, shouted out traitor as they were as they attacked her and someone started handing out leaflets calling the parliamentary labour party traitors . and came up and traitors. and came up and refused to give me one, but was handing them out to journalist. i went, excuse me, and they said , n0, i went, excuse me, and they said , no, we're not giving it to you. and journalists behind me , you. and journalists behind me, said jewish mp. an event about anti—semitism . give her the anti—semitism. give her the leaflet. and he refused to. he went, oh, but she's a jewish member of parliament, what's her name? and he took out a book and wrote name. claims wrote down my name. now claims he know i was. i was he doesn't know i was. i was wearing a prominent star of wearing a very prominent star of david claims he didn't know i was jewish. nonsense anyway, one of the journalists passed me a copy of the press release and just so i could read it like it wasn't, i took a photo of it, read it, and then we got shami. did her thing. read it, and then we got shami. did her thing . corbyn was there did her thing. corbyn was there to answer questions to . and the

to answer questions to. and the person that had been handing out this leaflet press release was called to ask a question and had a and accused me of working hand in hand with the telegraph , in hand with the telegraph, which in theory would be normal. like whatever . but we're at an like whatever. but we're at an event talking about anti—semitism in the book that had just been handed out. the report where it says accusing jews of working with the media is an antisemitic trope . it is an antisemitic trope. it definitely is when you're talking in that environment, in that space, talking about what jews had experienced in the labor party, i stood up and said , how dare you, corbyn? and chakrabarti said nothing. and the rest of the room turned on me and started shouting at me. and you walked out. and i walked out and i was really upset. and it was a national news story. and i got my first substantive death threats that night. so life changed immediate arnie and death threats became a fact of

your life, didn't they? normal part of life. i mean, it's very easy to say at the time and, you know, like it's just normal. i've had another death threat. um, but normal life was different. and the bit that was really know there are really worse. i know there are bits of this like going engage and embrace the dark humour , but and embrace the dark humour, but i had i was wearing an apple watch. i'm sure i'm not meant to say the brand, but never mind. um, and at that point, all of my twitter notifications came up. so actually the death threats and abuse and horrible stuff was physically coming onto my body. like it sounds like a really. yeah, i've never been able to wear it again. and so from that point on, i never travelled alone . i wasn't allowed on alone. i wasn't allowed on pubuc alone. i wasn't allowed on public transport for three years by myself . i had to move home in by myself. i had to move home in london on the advice of the police because they weren't confident they could secure secure my old house. everything changed and some of it you're

really appreciate. it's really difficult being a member of parliament and not being able to tell people where you're going. so, you know , there was a police so, you know, there was a police officer at every surgery arnie, which must have been awful for some of the people who were coming to see me. it wasn't fair. not you know, not only for me, the people that me, but for the people that i was representing. was really was representing. it was really it was really tough and being the job of being an mp is long hours and you just power through . and i don't think you realise until you're through the other side what damage was done and the impact on those people that love you too. because i just, you know, this was about me, so i just kept going. you know, this was about me, so ijust kept going. but you know, this was about me, so i just kept going. but oh you know, this was about me, so ijust kept going. but oh my i just kept going. but oh my god, what? put my staff god, what? i put my staff through, what i put my mum through. anyone that loved me sort living breathing sort of was living and breathing this do anything this and couldn't do anything about from ruth about it. more from ruth anoonoon— about it. more from ruth anderson after- t more from ruth anderson after the break. i“ anderson after the break. this is anderson after the break. this to soo— anderson after the break. this to son onu— anderson after the break. this is sad and miserable- anderson after the break. this is sad and miserable and takes us back to a place i don't want to be in. we need to find a way through this. we need to find a way through where there is a level of dignity for diane to do

here on gb news, the people's cnonnot.— here on gb news, the people's channel. britain— here on gb news, the people's channel. britain is— here on gb news, the people's channel. britain is watching . channel. britain is watching. | no— channel. britain is watching. l tt-o .— channel. britain is watching. i no . non-t— channel. britain is watching. . it's | don't think- channel. britain is watching. - it's | don't think it's. it's i don't think it's controversial to keir controversial to say that keir starmer made it one of his priorities to , oh, the man's a priorities to, oh, the man's a mensch. mensch? it's mensch. what's a mensch? it's a good man. it's yiddish— mensch. what's a mensch? it's a good man. it's yiddish for- good man. it's yiddish for a non— good man. it's yiddish for a non oooo— good man. it's yiddish for a non oooo non— good man. it's yiddish for a very good man. he is a very good um.— very good man. he is a very good um. oo . so— very good man. he is a very good man. um, so . so this- very good man. he is a very good man. 7 t/»tiutt“ man. um, so. so this week? yeah diane abbott has has been accused of being anti—semitic. she. she's lost the labour whip just this week . how did you feel just this week. how did you feel when you read when you read this, the story ? oh, so sad . this, the story? oh, so sad. and it's so thoroughly depressing on every level. diane abbott regardless, we're not on the same wing of the labour party. she is friends with lots of people who have made my life quite difficult. but she was also the first black woman to be

elected. she is an icon in her own lifetime. that is an extraordinary thing. i don't want her political career to end like this. i find all this so like this. i find all of this so sad honestly, i'm tired , sad and honestly, i'm tired, tired of my identity being used as a political football within the party that i have dedicated my life to. just sad . i know my life to. i'm just sad. i know thatis my life to. i'm just sad. i know that is a we need to move on from this chapter. i want us to be talking about how we form government . i want us to be government. i want us to be talking about how we beat the tories. to be talking tories. i want us to be talking about how we're going to fix the communities in communities that i live in in stoke. you know how we're going to back your old seat and my to win back your old seat and my old i want us provide old seat. i want us to provide a level of for hope the future for the country. this is sad and miserable and takes us back to a place i don't want to be in. we need find a way through this. need to find a way through this. we need to find a way through where there level of where there is a level of dignity diane, too, because dignity for diane, too, because it's important her it's really important for her community no community and there is no hierarchy racism. racism is hierarchy of racism. racism is racism. and has horrible racism. and she has had horrible experiences. everybody experiences. i want everybody just forward. and we're just to move forward. and we're meant same side. meant to be on the same side. and did swiftly apologise.

and she did swiftly apologise. i should. should i should say i should. i should i should say tnot— i should. i should i should say no onontu— i should. i should i should say that shortly after— i should. i should i should say that shortly after a few months otton— that shortly after a few months otton no— that shortly after a few months after he became— that shortly after a few months after he became chief executive of after he became chief executive ot tno— after he became chief executive ot to noon— after he became chief executive of the index on— after he became chief executive of the index on censorship , this of the index on censorship, this is.organisation_ of the index on censorship, this is organisation which is an organisation which oonpotono— is an organisation which campaigns freedom of speech campaigns for freedom of speech . nou— campaigns for freedom of speech . nou otttt— campaigns for freedom of speech . you still hold— campaigns for freedom of speech . you still hold that role now . . you still hold that role now. non— . you still hold that role now. how to— . you still hold that role now. how is freedom _ . you still hold that role now. how is freedom of speech really untou— how is freedom of speech really under threat? _ how is freedom of speech really under threat? so— how is freedom of speech really under threat? «wilt?» «wilt?» under threat? so yes. both yes and no . like where we live, and no. like where we live, we're really lucky and we need to cherish the rights that we've got. and one of my big frustrations is actually about self—censorship. there is a huge amount in number of issues where i think lots of people feel really uncomfortable, all especially because of social media about raising their head above the parapet, about getting involved in a debate, about having an argument, especially if they're not 100% sure of their facts, because the world just lands on top of you, right? so earth anyone so why on earth would anyone volunteer for that? so i completely appreciate why they might want to, but it does might not want to, but it does mean that national mean that our national conversation polarised and conversation is polarised and all we hear from is the extremes and not the moderate middle. and

this country is moderate. this country votes for moderates. this country just wants a nice life like our electorate are are quite clear on the things that matter to them. and typically it's about them and their families life families and their life experiences and what they're going to have. don't care going to have. they don't care about some of the issues. and so they're to get they're not going to get involved . so we're involved in them. so we're seeing self—censorship seeing a lot of self—censorship and worries me. and and that really worries me. and when you add that to from a political point of view , this political point of view, this anti—woke nonsense that we're seeing, i thoroughly resent i can't tell you how annoyed and angry it it makes me that people on the political right have tried to claim and own the idea of freedom of speech. like i've got the right to say whatever i want to, even if it offends you. yes, you have kyiv. but actually every single progressive change in the uk , whether it's the in the uk, whether it's the equality act, whether it's gay marriage, whether whatever it is, the right for women to vote yes, all of those things came from progressive campaigns where people utilised and claimed

their freedom of speech, of association, of their right to protest those are progressive values. we cherish them. we hold on to them . and the left needs on to them. and the left needs to remember how we got what we got and we need to fight and defend free expression and we need to reclaim it and i think that's part of this conversation. so we're really lucky . but you've always got to lucky. but you've always got to protect what you've got, right? ruth anderson it's the first time you've done the channel and i think people will really enjoy listening to you find some of it hard because you talked about your lived experience through a very difficult period . but i very difficult period. but i think it's going— very difficult period. but i think it's going to- very difficult period. but i think it's going to be- »: ”mt : but i think it's going to be a great nonn— think it's going to be a great watch. thank— think it's going to be a great watch. thank you. pleasure conno— watch. thank you. pleasure contno un— watch. thank you. pleasure contno up, not— watch. thank you. pleasure coming up, bob neil, as well as nonno— coming up, bob neil, as well as nonno tno— coming up, bob neil, as well as having the highest— coming up, bob neil, as well as having the highest rates of imprisonment,— having the highest rates of imprisonment, you also have some of imprisonment, you also have some ot tno— imprisonment, you also have some ot tno ntonoot— imprisonment, you also have some of the highest rates— imprisonment, you also have some of the highest rates of reoffending. t of the highest rates of- reoffending. so it's clearly not joining up together.

so bob, neil, conservative mp since - so bob, neil, conservative mp 2006,— . so bob, neil, conservative mp since 2006, you've— . so bob, neil, conservative mp since 2006, you've got— . so bob, neil, conservative mp since 2006, you've got a- so bob, neil, conservative mp since 2006, you've got a big too.— since 2006, you've got a big too. nou— since 2006, you've got a big job. you're chair— since 2006, you've got a big job. you're chair of the justice sotoot— job. you're chair of the justice select committee— job. you're chair of the justice select committee . and i'd like select committee. and i'd like to onono— select committee. and i'd like to onono o— select committee. and i'd like to opono o tot— select committee. and i'd like to spend a lot of— select committee. and i'd like to spend a lot of time in this tntonton— to spend a lot of time in this interview talking— to spend a lot of time in this interview talking about your nono— interview talking about your views on criminal justice views on the criminal justice ouotom— views on the criminal justice oyotom nnoon— views on the criminal justice system, prison crime . but i just system, prison crime. but i just nont— system, prison crime. but i just nontloton— system, prison crime. but i just nontloton tn— system, prison crime. but i just want start by asking you want to start by asking you a oounto— want to start by asking you a oounto ot— want to start by asking you a couple of things— want to start by asking you a couple of things that i noticed you— couple of things that i noticed you noon— couple of things that i noticed you've been campaigning on nooontn. — you've been campaigning on nooontn. so— you've been campaigning on recently. so stroke care and oonno— recently. so stroke care and oonno tno— recently. so stroke care and saving the english national opera— saving the english national opera .— saving the english national opono . tott— saving the english national opera . tell me— saving the english national opera . tell me about why they're opera. tell me about why they're tmnonont— opera. tell me about why they're tmnonont to— opera. tell me about why they're tmnonont to you. — opera. tell me about why they're important to you. well, they're non— important to you. well, they're non nonoonot— important to you. well, they're very personal things , laura, very personal things, laura, toouoo— very personal things, laura, toouoo mu— very personal things, laura, because my wife is a professional- because my wife is a professional singer. because my wife is a— professional singer. but sadly, tntoo— professional singer. but sadly, three years ago, she had a stroke and out of our families experience, it struck me that we're we're great with the nhs about the life saving bits of the system, but we're nothing like so good about the follow up and the stroke care . and we and the stroke care. and we found and louise's voice was affected and some other problems

which unfortunately impacted on her career. but we struggled to get through the system to get the therapy and the support that she needed and the people we met in hospital were in a much harder position, much less well placed to navigate the system than we were. so we'd just like to try and make that better. and it's a cross—party campaign that we've we an all we've got. we set up an all party parliamentary group for stroke. surprisingly there wasn't couple of stroke. surprisingly there wasn' ago couple of stroke. surprisingly there wasn' ago , couple of stroke. surprisingly there wasn' ago , and couple of stroke. surprisingly there wasn' ago , and i'veouple of stroke. surprisingly there wasn' ago , and i've done of stroke. surprisingly there wasn' ago , and i've done it: stroke. surprisingly there wasn' ago , and i've done it with years ago, and i've done it with margaret wheeler, who's a labour peer whose husband also been peer whose husband has also been through that problem. so we're trying to just raise the whole issue about both mechanical thrombectomy, which can greatly reduce the amount of disability that stroke survivors have. if you can get it done in time. and also the need for a much better workforce to deal with physiotherapists and speech and language therapists where we've got a real shortage and those things. so that's a campaign that i think is important that i want to try and bring our experience to try and make something of what something positive out of what

was experience for us as was a bad experience for us as a family. then english family. and then english national well, partly national opera. well, partly that being my that connection might being my big . outside politics that connection might being my big always . outside politics that connection might being my big always been side politics that connection might being my big always been music)litics that connection might being my big always been music and s that connection might being my big always been music and the has always been music and the theatre and opera . eno does theatre and opera. eno does a brilliant job. it's the most accessible of our companies and i think the arts council completely lost the plot in cutting their funding actually means people both in london means that people both in london and elsewhere will get less good opera. and i want you know, i was a lad from a semi—detached house in hornchurch. didn't house in hornchurch. i didn't have background serious have any background in serious sort art, but i was sort of high art, but i was hooked on opera when i got to see it on on itv years ago. an excerpt from tosca and i used to go excerpt from tosca and i used to 9° up excerpt from tosca and i used to go up in the gods as a student and i want more people to be able to do that. and obviously with anne louise's background , with anne louise's background, that's something i'm passionate about. again, we've been about. and again, we've been working a cross—party basis, working on a cross—party basis, people harman, people like harriet harman, margaret labour margaret hodge on the labour side , and i hope we'll be side, and i hope we'll be getting it up the agenda and i hope we'll be able to sway the arts council to say, look, we've got this one wrong and we need to row back from the amount of

cuts that were actually threatening the whole existence of company. do you have of the company. do you have to ton— of the company. do you have to care for louise— of the company. do you have to care for louise in— of the company. do you have to care for louise in your- »t.»t»it“ 352» do you have to care for louise in your wife toutoo— care for louise in your wife toutoolonu— care for louise in your wife toutoolonu nou- care for louise in your wife louise, any way since louise, in any way since the otnotoo — louise, in any way since the stroke? -fortunatelyj louise, in any way since the- stroke? -fortunately able louise, in any way since the- stiafford -fortunately able louise, in any way since the- stiafford care-fortunately able louise, in any way since the stiafford care and)rtunately able louise, in any way since the stiafford care and help.tely able louise, in any way since the stiafford care and help. but able louise, in any way since the stiafford care and help. but she; to afford care and help. but she does need care and again, that's a real strain for many people. we better placed financially we are better placed financially and otherwise than others, but it shouldn't have to depend upon that lottery of either what your income is or where you live. the postcode sort of lottery you can get for care as well. so that's why i think it's important that we keep this up the agenda. okay okay. so let's talk about the big— okay. so let's talk about the big too— okay. so let's talk about the big on not— okay. so let's talk about the big on no you— okay. so let's talk about the big job that you have. chair of the big job that you have. chair of to justice— big job that you have. chair of the justice select— big job that you have. chair of the justice select committee nototno— the justice select committee holding government holding the government to oount— holding the government to account cross—party with the account is cross—party with the conoonotno— account is cross—party with the conservative government mot-onto.— conservative government majority ot— conservative government majority. of course , we have majority. of course, we have tuot— majority. of course, we have tuot got— majority. of course, we have tuot oot o— majority. of course, we have tuot oot o non— majority. of course, we have just got a new justice ooonotonn— just got a new justice secretary, alex chalk, what onouto — secretary, alex chalk, what onouto nto— secretary, alex chalk, what should his number one priority to? — should his number one priority too not.— should his number one priority to? non. .— should his number one priority be? well, i mean,— should his number one priority be? �*tntttitt i“ 't»ti,to< »tig be? well, i mean, alex is a very good appointment. if i if i might say he's of course, he's got a serious experience in the justice system. he was a barrister for a number of years before he became an mp and

specialised in criminal work. so i think the priority is alex has got to tackle immediately are the nuts and bolts of the system . and that's first of all delays in the courts. we've got a serious crisis with delays in the courts. that's a question of backlogs that existed even before the pandemic. but were made worse. we have too many courtrooms which are out of operation because of poor maintenance . i think he needs to maintenance. i think he needs to increase the budget there. it's unacceptable that people are waiting for trials to be heard some two years or sometimes more after the event. it's unfair on the witnesses potential victims. it's also unfair on defendants as well. and it makes for worse outcomes. that's got to be a top priority. that also means making sure that we're paying the barristers and solicitors who act in the justice system properly and we know we had disputes in the past where barristers were refusing to take cases. alex has got to rebuild bndges cases. alex has got to rebuild bridges with the legal profession and the judiciary

because we can't work without them. second big priority is overcrowding in our prisons . overcrowding in our prisons. we're creaking at the seams already . if we're recruiting already. if we're recruiting 20,000 more police officers , 20,000 more police officers, that's going to put more pressure on the system. does prison work? does it- pressure on the system. does prison work? does it cut- i“ does prison work? does it cut crime ? prison work? does it cut crime? it prison work? does it cut crime? tt oooon-t— prison work? does it cut crime? it doesn't effectively— prison work? does it cut crime? it doesn't effectively all- prison work? does it cut crime? it doesn't effectively all the- it doesn't effectively all the time . and the second thing that time. and the second thing that alex has to tackle is , is the alex has to tackle is, is the state of our prisons, the overcrowded and many , overcrowded and many, particularly the older victorian ones, are in a poor condition. we've also got real problems with retaining experienced prison officers . if you don't prison officers. if you don't have a good workforce, it's harder to keep order in prisons andifs harder to keep order in prisons and it's also harder to turn around those prisoners who are going to come out and you want them to come out in a better state than when they came in. very often, issues with drug addiction, mental health, very poor education in many have been in care in the past. it's a vicious circle that they fallen into. now, if we're going to reduce the burden on the criminal justice system , we've criminal justice system, we've got to find better means of deaung got to find better means of dealing with those people. at

the moment, we incarcerate a higher percentage of our of the prison population than any other country in western europe, one of the highest incarceration rates. do you think that's too high? do we send too many people to prison?— high? do we send too many people to prison? tn— high? do we send too many people to prison? n mu— high? do we send too many people to prison? in my view,— high? do we send too many people to prison? in my view, i— i“ gi“7’ do we send too many people to prison? in my view, i think we to prison? in my view, i think no to. — to prison? in my view, i think no to. nno— to prison? in my view, i think we do. and that— to prison? in my view, i think we do. ' t we do. and that doesn't mean that there aren't some who you have prisons have to prisons for the dangerous people, for dangerous people, prisons for the a threat, not the people who are a threat, not necessarily the best place for people who were annoyed with and who nuisance and may be who are a nuisance and may be low level repeat offenders . so low level repeat offenders. so we've find better means we've got to find better means of dealing with them, perhaps with tagging involved as well as much community much more robust community sentences, and tackling all sentences, and also tackling all those to earlier on those issues as to earlier on before they get into the system beforehand, because we as well as having the highest rates of imprisonment, we also have some of the highest rates of reoffending. so it's clearly not joining up together. when reoffending. so it's clearly not joining up together . when people joining up together. when people look at joining up together. when people toot ot tno— joining up together. when people look at the justice— i“ “g t. g when people look at the justice system, one of look at the justice system, one ot tno— look at the justice system, one ot tno oooo— look at the justice system, one of the areas they— look at the justice system, one of the areas they often ntonttont— of the areas they often highlight is— of the areas they often highlight is rape conviction too— highlight is rape conviction rates, cases— highlight is rape conviction rates, cases up,— highlight is rape conviction rates, cases up, reports of cases up, conviction rates are

onomotut— cases up, conviction rates are ononotut .— cases up, conviction rates are shameful , really. _ cases up, conviction rates are shameful , really. is there any shameful, really. is there any fix shameful, really. is there any to not— shameful, really. is there any to no you— shameful, really. is there any fix that you could reckon tend to got— fix that you could reckon tend to oot tnot— fix that you could reckon tend to get that figure— fix that you could reckon tend to get that figure up ? sure. to get that figure up? sure. to— to get that figure up? sure. to not— to get that figure up? sure. to not ooon— to get that figure up? sure. it's not easy, but you have any tooooo — it's not easy, but you have any tooooo non.— it's not easy, but you have any ideas? well, we've- it's not easy, but you have any ideas? : t ideas? well, we've looked at it as a select committee on more than one occasion and it is difficult. but i practised at the criminal bar, as you know, glory for 25 years before i came into parliament. i used to both prosecute and defend in rape and serious sexual offences as as well as many others . i think the well as many others. i think the thing to bear in mind is you've got to have sufficient evidence, first of all, to bring the charges . and i think a lot of charges. and i think a lot of the problems are at the evidence gathering stage . the statistics gathering stage. the statistics show, interestingly , that when show, interestingly, that when you get the case in front of a jury, you get the case in front of a jury, the conviction rates for rape and serious sexual offences are about the same as other offences of violence against the person. gb views and so on. but what we fail on is actually getting it in front of the jury to start with. and that's because either the evidence isn't gathered sufficiently or

isn't gathered sufficiently or isn't in good enough order for the crown prosecution service to justify the charges. it has to meet the standard test that there's a realistic prospect of conviction . and maybe that's conviction. and maybe that's because in the investigation process we still don't treat complainants well enough . we complainants well enough. we don't always give them enough support . and because of the support. and because of the delays that we were talking about very often , if it's going about very often, if it's going to be months and years before the case comes to trial and the person who's been through that dreadful experience drops out of the process. they don't want it to go on with it any more because it it's a it's a permanent reminder over their lives and they want to move on. so getting those cases done quickly is really important, i think, to improving the conviction rates. but of course, you only want people convicted whether there's good evidence to prove it. but you've got to help the witnesses to do their best to give that evidence and those delays and other problems in delays and other problems get in the and the reason the way of that. and the reason why— the way of that. and the reason no no — the way of that. and the reason why no nono— the way of that. and the reason why we have this— the way of that. and the reason why we have this new- and the reason why we have this new justice ooonoton—

why we have this new justice secretary .you've - why we have this new justice secretary you've given him secretary and you've given him toto— secretary and you've given him toto ot— secretary and you've given him lots of advice— secretary and you've given him lots of advice is— secretary and you've given him lots of advice is because nontnto— lots of advice is because. dominic-resigned dominic raab has resigned tottontno— dominic raab has resigned following inquiry or the following the inquiry or the independent— following the inquiry or the independent inquiry into whether or independent inquiry into whether on not— independent inquiry into whether on not no— independent inquiry into whether or not he bullied— independent inquiry into whether or not he bullied some civil oontoo— or not he bullied some civil service servants— or not he bullied some civil service servants to salix . i service servants to salix. i nooo— service servants to salix. i not to— service servants to salix. i not to gno— service servants to salix. i need to give him a bit of love. i need to give him a bit of love. ttntnt— need to give him a bit of love. ttntnt — need to give him a bit of love. ttntnt .— need to give him a bit of love. i think so. i was— need to give him a bit of love. i think so. i was a- need to give him a bit of love. i think so. i“ i think so. i was a minister much more lowly level for a time and i really valued the civil servants and i think having a good professor relationship with your civil servants is absolutely essential. so yeah , absolutely essential. so yeah, there's nothing there's no harm in giving a bit of a hug to people, but that doesn't mean you can't be demanding as well. i can think of ministers who have very demanding , but have been very demanding, but you it in a way. i think, you can do it in a way. i think, where you know that even if you're saying that really i think need to do this think we need to do this differently, that's enough. differently, that's not enough. ineed differently, that's not enough. i need more that. but you differently, that's not enough. i he do more that. but you differently, that's not enough. i he do that that. but you differently, that's not enough. i he do that in that. but you differently, that's not enough. i he do that in a that. but you differently, that's not enough. i he do that in a way.:. but you differently, that's not enough. i he do that in a way. i but you differently, that's not enough. i he do that in a way. i think,»u can do that in a way. i think, which encourages them to do better. and what i think better. and that's what i think we've to do. i think alex, we've got to do. i think alex, as a character and personality as a character and a personality will very well. the big will do that very well. the big issue . politics _ will do that very well. the big issue . politics at _ will do that very well. the bigi issue-politics at-moment, issue in politics at the moment, ont— issue in politics at the moment, on ponnono— issue in politics at the moment, on nonnono tt-o— issue in politics at the moment, and perhaps it's never been far nom— and perhaps it's never been far from totno— and perhaps it's never been far from being near— and perhaps it's never been far from being near the top of the nottttoot— from being near the top of the nottttoot-tn— from being near the top of the political-in recent- from being near the top of the

political in recent years political agenda in recent years is political agenda in recent years to—noni is illegal immigration and how to—suotto— is illegal immigration and how to suella braverman to combat it. suella braverman sno— to combat it. suella braverman sno totto— to combat it. suella braverman she talks really— to combat it. suella braverman she talks really tough. she nonto—touonl wants to act really tough on oontottno— wants to act really tough on combating immigration . combating illegal immigration. nno—to- combating illegal immigration. nno—to otoo- combating illegal immigration. who—to stop illegal who doesn't want to stop illegal tmntonottono— who doesn't want to stop illegal immigration?.she_ who doesn't want to stop illegal immigration? she doing the immigration? is she doing the nont— immigration? is she doing the nont tntnoo— immigration? is she doing the nont tntnoo to— immigration? is she doing the right things to stop illegal immigration?— right things to stop illegal immigration? will her policies ntono— immigration? will her policies ntono nnot— immigration? will her policies plans what she— immigration? will her policies plans what she wants to do? will it plans what she wants to do? will tt nonto— plans what she wants to do? will tt nono nttt— plans what she wants to do? will it work? witt it— plans what she wants to do? will it work? witt it do— plans what she wants to do? will it work? will it do the job? t-m — it work? will it do the job? t-m ottom— it work? will it do the job? i'm afraid, gloria,- it work? will it do the job? i'm afraid, gloria, i- it work? will it do the job? i'm afraid, gloria, i don't i'm not convinced that they will because a lot of the emphasis has been on changing the law on legislative solutions. i don't think that's where the issue lies actually , the real problem lies actually, the real problem is that the system doesn't work efficiently enough. we're not getting a system where people who come in are potentially unlawfully are got through the immigration tribunal and asylum system quickly where decisions are made quickly and they are then when they don't have a right to be here removed quickly . and frankly, it's the administrative failures of the home office that are to blame . home office that are to blame. and that's happened under successive home secretaries going years. but going back over years. but frankly, home office is not

frankly, the home office is not efficient and we need, rather than worrying about changing legal tests, none of that will matter if you haven't got firstly enough people to do the investigations. so they will put more resource into that . more resource into that. secondly, you need to get the quality of the investigations up and running so that you can have the hearings quickly. i've got a friend who sits as a part time immigration tribunal judge actually in south—east of england. so where the pressures really are, he was only asked to sit five times last year. there wasn't enough work and why was that? because the home office didn't have the cases ready to bnng didn't have the cases ready to bring before the tribunal . i bring before the tribunal. i suggest the most important thing is to get that sort of thing right so you can get a decision yay or nay quickly and then you have to have a sensible arrangement with france and our neighbours for returns. you've arrangement with france and our neighthave for returns. you've arrangement with france and our neighthavefotproper s. you've arrangement with france and our neighthavefotproper returnse got to have a proper returns policy and we left the eu policy. and when we left the eu and dublin convention, and the dublin convention, we didn't to fill in didn't do anything to fill in the gap. so those are things, the gap. so those are things, the things that think will the things that i think will make difference actually make a difference and actually requires a more emollient

approach to our working with our european partners rather than a blame game . it also requires blame game. it also requires actually putting some money into the system rather than juggling around legal tests , which might around legal tests, which might make headlines. but aren't actually going to get the numbers processed through. and people shouldn't be here out people who shouldn't be here out of the country more quickly. final listen going to final question. listen going to you— final question. listen going to you. sono— final question. listen going to you. some people will all think ont— you. some people will all think on you— you. some people will all think on you oon— you. some people will all think and you can refute— you. some people will all think and you can refute the characterisation if you are that you— characterisation if you are that youo outto— characterisation if you are that you're quite liberal, you're nou— you're quite liberal, you're uou-no o— you're quite liberal, you're you're a liberal— you're quite liberal, you're you're a liberal conservative. ano— you're a liberal conservative. no n— you're a liberal conservative. nno tt nou— you're a liberal conservative. and if you accept— you're a liberal conservative. and if you accept that, whether you— and if you accept that, whether you oooont— and if you accept that, whether you oooont tt— and if you accept that, whether you oooont tt on— and if you accept that, whether you accept it or not, who is your— you accept it or not, who is your political— you accept it or not, who is your political hero ? your political hero? i'm happy to accept it because. because i'm i'm quite proud of being somebody who believes in free markets and a free economy and traditional institutions. so i'm very traditional conservative in that way . but i do think also that way. but i do think also the conservative party needs to reflect the society in which we now and that's what we've now live. and that's what we've always tried do. and that's always tried to do. and that's i suppose if i had a political hero, it would probably be harold macmillan. when i started

getting interested in politics and history at school, macmillan was of course, still alive. i only met him once, us, and he was a classic example of that one nation conservative, which i make no bones about being who was quite tough and a really skilful political operator, but also was a pragmatist and thought that conservative party did best in the middle ground. funnily enough, of course he was also mp for bromley, which is a part of my constituency . so part of my constituency. so plenty of reasons, i think, for me to think harold macmillan is the that has influenced the person that has influenced my thinking. probably in practical more than practical terms more than anyone. been anyone. so bob neil, it's been a pleasure. thank anyone. so bob neil, it's been a pleasure . thank you. anyone. so bob neil, it's been a pleasure. thank you. thank anyone. so bob neil, it's been a pleasure . thank you. thank you, pleasure. thank you. thank you, laura. thanks for tuning- ”»ti thank you. thanks for tuning in. laura. thanks for tuning in. on— laura. thanks for tuning in. on no— laura. thanks for tuning in. on no oootn— laura. thanks for tuning in. join me again next- thanks for tuning in. join me again next sunday at otoo— join me again next sunday at one too— join me again next sunday at 6:00 for gloria— join me again next sunday at 6:00 for gloria meets . hello 6:00 for gloria meets. hello and notomo— 6:00 for gloria meets. hello and notomo to— 6:00 for gloria meets. hello and welcome to your— 6:00 for gloria meets. hello and welcome to your latest weather unooto— welcome to your latest weather unooto tnom — welcome to your latest weather update from the— welcome to your latest weather update from the met office. i'm nono— update from the met office. i'm nono petagna-_ update from the met office. i'm marco petagna. showers- update from the met office. i'm marco petagna. showers will gradually fade across the uk over the next couple of days.

the will become quite the weather will become quite fine for a time around the middle for and middle of the week for wet and windy weather arrives from the southwest later. low pressure is moving allowing moving off the sea now, allowing a high pressure to a ridge of high pressure to build in certainly through tuesday wednesday wet tuesday and wednesday before wet and arrives as low and windy weather arrives as low pressure rise the southwest pressure rise from the southwest through thursday and friday back to the overnight to the detail for the overnight penod to the detail for the overnight period and showers to the detail for the overnight perigradually and showers to the detail for the overnight perigradually transferring ;howers to the detail for the overnight perigradually transferring away rs are gradually transferring away from to east we go from west to east as we go through overnight period. so through the overnight period. so becoming focussed towards becoming more focussed towards the north and east the uk the north and east of the uk dunng the north and east of the uk during early hours of during the early hours of monday, showers then out monday, fewer showers then out towards west in the towards the west later in the night, clearer spells night, some clearer spells here and chilly across and turning a bit chilly across some across those some rural spots across those western spots could dip low western spots could dip into low single 2 very single figures in 1 or 2 very rural , locations. but rural locations, locations. but out towards north east, out towards the north and east, generally, temperatures holding out towards the north and east, generallthezmperatures holding out towards the north and east, generallthe ampertand s holding out towards the north and east, generallthezmpertand the lding up with the cloud and the showers and certainly a pretty showery into showery picture as we go into bank holiday across bank holiday monday across central eastern parts of england. 2 heavy england. 1 or 2 quite heavy showers. be the odd showers. could be the odd thunderstorm around two and some showery working its showery rain also working its way across way in from the north across mainland scotland. so once again, the best of the sunshine with much better day unfolding with a much better day unfolding out ireland, out across northern ireland, wales of wales and the south—west of england sunshine,

england in the sunshine, temperatures climbing into the high teens could or high teens could see 18 or 19 degrees towards the degrees down towards the south—east, in south—east, 19 is 66. in fahrenheit, but quite chilly up towards north—east towards the far north—east overnight, monday tuesday, overnight, monday into tuesday, showers continue across those northern and eastern areas. northern and far eastern areas. but towards the west, with but out towards the west, with high pressure starting to build in, it's quieter picture. in, it's a quieter picture. there'll clear spells. in, it's a quieter picture. theragain, clear spells. in, it's a quieter picture. theragain, turninglear spells. in, it's a quieter picture. theragain, turning aar spells. in, it's a quieter picture. theragain, turning a littletlls. in, it's a quieter picture. theragain, turning a little bit and again, turning a little bit chilly some rural spots. but chilly in some rural spots. but on the whole, just temperatures are issues into are not causing any issues into tuesday showers tuesday itself. 1 or 2 showers are still possible across the far north and across the far east of uk, but elsewhere, east of the uk, but elsewhere, it's pretty good day actually, it's a pretty good day actually, with high pressure generally dominating lots of sunshine around patchy cloud in places . around patchy cloud in places. but on the whole, a pretty decent day and temperatures once again climbing the mid to again climbing into the mid to high places, but still high teens in places, but still quite chilly towards the far quite chilly up towards the far north—east where north—east of scotland where temperatures will struggle here. a conditions still a pretty good conditions still on , but we start on wednesday, but we will start to some rain moving in from to see some rain moving in from the southwest and turning windier to windier from the southwest to later .

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