it is 7:00. welcome back to gb news. - it is 7:00. welcome back to gb news. rm — . it is 7:00. welcome back to gb news. rm aaron— it is 7:00. welcome back to gb news. i'm aaron armstrong. let's get you— news. i'm aaron armstrong. let's get you up— news. i'm aaron armstrong. let's get you up to— news. i'm aaron armstrong. let's get you up to tote— news. i'm aaron armstrong. let's get you up to date with the teotttuee. — get you up to date with the headlines. the— get you up to date with the headlines. the government is otouutug— headlines. the government is planning evacuation planning an extra evacuation tttgtt— planning an extra evacuation tttgtt-sutou— planning an extra evacuation flight sudan tomorrow for flight from sudan tomorrow for uttttet— flight from sudan tomorrow for british nationals— flight from sudan tomorrow for british nationals trying to teove— british nationals trying to leave-country- british nationals trying to leave-country .- british nationals trying to leave country . it will leave the country. it will deput— leave the country. it will deport-the- leave the country. it will depart the eastern city of depart from the eastern city of tott— depart from the eastern city of port sutou— depart from the eastern city of port sudan, where— depart from the eastern city of port sudan, where earlier the fleet— port sudan, where earlier the first shipment— port sudan, where earlier the first shipment of— port sudan, where earlier the first shipment of humanitarian aid first shipment of humanitarian ott outvet— first shipment of humanitarian aid arrived. now— first shipment of humanitarian aid arrived. now those hoping to teove— aid arrived. now those hoping to leave are being— aid arrived. now those hoping to leave are being told to get to the— leave are being told to get to the international— leave are being told to get to the international airport there tetote— the international airport there before midday.— the international airport there before midday. the british navy outpe— before midday. the british navy ettge toye— before midday. the british navy ships have also— before midday. the british navy ships have also docked in port sutou— ships have also docked in port sutou to— ships have also docked in port sudan to offer— ships have also docked in port sudan to offer support for the eouton— sudan to offer support for the

evacuation effort— sudan to offer support for the evacuation effort . one of the evacuation effort. one of the toot— evacuation effort. one of the rival factions— evacuation effort. one of the rival factions says it will extent— rival factions says it will extend the _ rival factions says it will extend the truce for a further 72 toute— extend the truce for a further 72 hours, starting from mttutgtt— 72 hours, starting from midnight. although gunfire has teen— midnight. although gunfire has been teete— midnight. although gunfire has been heard in— midnight. although gunfire has been heard in khartoum today , been heard in khartoum today, uutetmtutug— been heard in khartoum today, undermining the— been heard in khartoum today, undermining the current eeoeettte— undermining the current eeoeettte ,— undermining the current ceasefire , the- undermining the current ceasefire , the nurses union has ceasefire, the nurses union has tetoxet— ceasefire, the nurses union has tetoxet tte— ceasefire, the nurses union has relaxed its strike— ceasefire, the nurses union has relaxed its strike rules to ensure critical- relaxed its strike rules to ensure critical services will etttt— ensure critical services will still operate _ ensure critical services will still operate during a 28 hour utttout— still operate during a 28 hour walkout, which— still operate during a 28 hour walkout, which starts at 8:00. tus— walkout, which starts at 8:00. uts tngtout— walkout, which starts at 8:00. nhs england says discussions tutt— nhs england says discussions uttt tte— nhs england says discussions with the royal— nhs england says discussions with the royal college of tutetug— with the royal college of nursing have— with the royal college of nursing have resulted in an agreement— nursing have resulted in an agreement for— nursing have resulted in an agreement for minimum staffing tevete— agreement for minimum staffing tevete to— agreement for minimum staffing tevete to te— agreement for minimum staffing levels to be provided as cover for levels to be provided as cover to ute— levels to be provided as cover to ttte out— levels to be provided as cover for life and limb— levels to be provided as cover for life and limb services. they toye— for life and limb services. they have eettoue— for life and limb services. they have serious concerns about potent— have serious concerns about patient safety. _ have serious concerns about patient safety. the public are tetug— patient safety. the public are tetug utget— patient safety. the public are tetug utget to— patient safety. the public are being urged to use the nhs uteety— being urged to use the nhs uteety .— being urged to use the nhs uteety . tte— being urged to use the nhs wisely . the health secretary, wisely. the health secretary, though,— wisely. the health secretary, ttougt, eoye— wisely. the health secretary, though, says he's hopeful the ttegute— though, says he's hopeful the ttepute eon— though, says he's hopeful the dispute can be— though, says he's hopeful the dispute can be resolved later tute— dispute can be resolved later ttte week.— dispute can be resolved later this week. the— dispute can be resolved later this week. the staff council is tue— this week. the staff council is tue to— this week. the staff council is tue to meet— this week. the staff council is due to meet on— this week. the staff council is due to meet on tuesday. i'm otuttousty— due to meet on tuesday. i'm cautiously optimistic that the staff council will agree to then vote in favour of the deal, but i think it's right to wait until tuesday for the staff council to meet and this strike is premature . i think it's premature. i think it's disrespectful to the other trade

unions. i think the rcn should have waited there. a member of the staff council, they were part of the negotiations and as i part of the negotiations and as | , part of the negotiations and as i , pat cullen i say, pat cullen herself recommended this deal to her members . liz truss recommended this deal to her members. liz truss is recommended this deal to her members . liz truss is contesting members. liz truss is contesting a government bill relating to her use of a grace and favour country house while she was foreign secretary. the mail on suutoy— foreign secretary. the mail on suutoy etotme— foreign secretary. the mail on sunday claims the _ tittflz; g cg the mail on sunday claims the former gm; g cg the mail on sunday claims the former prime mtutetet— sunday claims the former prime mtutetet toe— sunday claims the former prime minister has been— sunday claims the former prime minister has been asked to pay ooutt— minister has been asked to pay around £12,000— minister has been asked to pay around £12,000 back for costs tueuuet— around £12,000 back for costs tueuuet ot— around £12,000 back for costs incurred at the— around £12,000 back for costs incurred at the evening estate incurred at the evening estate to kent— incurred at the evening estate to kent .— incurred at the evening estate to kent . the— incurred at the evening estate in kent . the invoice covers the in kent. the invoice covers the genot— in kent. the invoice covers the pettot teet— in kent. the invoice covers the period last summer when she was ttgtttug— period last summer when she was ttgtttug tte— period last summer when she was fighting the conservative teotetettg— fighting the conservative leadership election against ttett— leadership election against rishi sunak_ leadership election against rishi sunak for— leadership election against rishi sunak for her short lived gtemtetettg.— rishi sunak for her short lived premiership. now the bill is totgety— premiership. now the bill is totgety tot— premiership. now the bill is largely for hospitality, but otto— largely for hospitality, but also includes— largely for hospitality, but also includes missing items such as also includes missing items such oe tottuotee— also includes missing items such as bathrobes. ms— also includes missing items such as bathrobes. ms truss says it moetty— as bathrobes. ms truss says it mostly relates— as bathrobes. ms truss says it mostly relates to— as bathrobes. ms truss says it mostly relates to official government _ mostly relates to official government business rather than geteouot— government business rather than personal expenses— government business rather than personal expenses . as a manhunt personal expenses. as a manhunt is personal expenses. as a manhunt te ougotug— personal expenses. as a manhunt te ougotug tu— personal expenses. as a manhunt is ongoing in texas— personal expenses. as a manhunt is ongoing in texas for a gunman uto-e— is ongoing in texas for a gunman uto-e euegeetet— is ongoing in texas for a gunman who's suspected of— is ongoing in texas for a gunman who's suspected of killing five of who's suspected of killing five ot ute— who's suspected of killing five of his neighbours, including an etgtt— of his neighbours, including an etgtt yeot— of his neighbours, including an etgtt yeot ott— of his neighbours, including an eight year old boy on friday. tottee— eight year old boy on friday. tottee tu— eight year old boy on friday. police in the— eight year old boy on friday.

police in the united states say the vtettme— police in the united states say the victims were— police in the united states say the victims were shot dead when the victims were shot dead when the tomtty— the victims were shot dead when the family asked— the victims were shot dead when the family asked francisco erogezo— the family asked francisco otopezo to— the family asked francisco oropeza to stop firing a semi—automatic weapon in his gotten.— semi—automatic weapon in his gotten. the— semi—automatic weapon in his garden. the suspect , who's garden. the suspect, who's mexteou— garden. the suspect, who's mexteou te— garden. the suspect, who's mexican, is believed to have ttet— mexican, is believed to have ttet tte— mexican, is believed to have fled the united— mexican, is believed to have fled the united states . the fled the united states. the uttttet— fled the united states. the british army— fled the united states. the british army has begun rehearsals— british army has begun rehearsals for the coronation of mg— rehearsals for the coronation of ttug ctottee— rehearsals for the coronation of king charles as— rehearsals for the coronation of king charles as soldiers from all divisions— king charles as soldiers from all divisions of— king charles as soldiers from all divisions of the armed toteee— all divisions of the armed forces have— all divisions of the armed forces have been gathering at ttotutug— forces have been gathering at training areas— forces have been gathering at training areas across south touton— training areas across south tontou to— training areas across south london to prepare for what's tttety— london to prepare for what's tttety to— london to prepare for what's tttety to te— london to prepare for what's likely to be the— london to prepare for what's likely to be the biggest ceremonial— likely to be the biggest ceremonial event of their careers. soldiers have flown tome— careers. soldiers have flown tome ttom — careers. soldiers have flown home from operational duties or ttotutug— home from operational duties or training exercises— home from operational duties or training exercises from as far ottett— training exercises from as far ottett oe— training exercises from as far afield as cyprus,— training exercises from as far afield as cyprus, iraq and tetonto— afield as cyprus, iraq and tetonto to— afield as cyprus, iraq and estonia to represent their tegtmeute— estonia to represent their regiments at— estonia to represent their regiments at the event on the stone— regiments at the event on the stone ot— regiments at the event on the stone of destiny— regiments at the event on the stone of destiny has been ueteomet— stone of destiny has been welcomed to— stone of destiny has been welcomed to england in a special ceremony ahead— welcomed to england in a special ceremony ahead of— welcomed to england in a special ceremony ahead of the coronation it ceremony ahead of the coronation tt totes— ceremony ahead of the coronation tt totee toot— ceremony ahead of the coronation it dates back to— ceremony ahead of the coronation it dates back to the— ceremony ahead of the coronation it dates back to the 12th century— it dates back to the 12th century out— it dates back to the 12th century and is- it dates back to the 12th century and is normally on tteptoy— century and is normally on tteptoy ot— century and is normally on display at edinburgh castle . it display at edinburgh castle. it utt— display at edinburgh castle. it uttt ott— display at edinburgh castle. it will sit under— display at edinburgh castle. it will sit under the king's throne next— will sit under the king's throne next week— will sit under the king's throne next week and— will sit under the king's throne next week and it— will sit under the king's throne next week and it has been used in next week and it has been used to eotone— next week and it has been used in coronations for— next week and it has been used in coronations for almost a thousand— in coronations for almost a

thousand years— in coronations for almost a thousand years .- in coronations for almost a thousand years . online dab and thousand years. online dab and tune— thousand years. online dab and tune tu— thousand years. online dab and tune to tatto— thousand years. online dab and tune in radio. this— thousand years. online dab and tune in radio. this is gb news. eut— tune in radio. this is gb news. out now— tune in radio. this is gb news. out tt— tune in radio. this is gb news. out tt te— tune in radio. this is gb news. but now it is time— tune in radio. this is gb news. but now it is time for free speech— but now it is time for free speech nation— but now it is time for free speech nation .- but now it is time for free speech nation . where speech nation. where. the euotttou— speech nation. where. the guardian is— speech nation. where. the guardian is accused of anti—semitism. guardian is accused of- anti—semitism. another woman guardian is accused of— anti—semitism. another woman is de—platformed at the university of bristol and the canadian government cracks down on free speech again , this is free speech again, this is free speech again, this is free speech nation . speech nation. welcome to free speech nation. with me andrew uoyte. — speech nation. with me andrew uoyte. tuto— speech nation. with me andrew uoyte. ttts to— speech nation. with me andrew doyle. this is the show where we take a look at current affairs, politics and that interminable culture war whose existence is denied by its chief antagonists. coming up on the show tonight is text— coming up on the show tonight is ttextt tetug— coming up on the show tonight is brexit being betrayed? we're going— brexit being betrayed? we're goinglspeak_ brexit being betrayed? we're going-speakla- brexit being betrayed? we're going speak a former going to speak to a former conservative— going to speak to a former conservative and ukip mp who led the cause— conservative and ukip mp who led the to— conservative and ukip mp who led the cause to leave— conservative and ukip mp who led the cause to leave the european untou—

the cause to leave the european untou .— the cause to leave the european untou . toe— the cause to leave the european union . has therapy gone woke ? union. has therapy gone woke? wett— union. has therapy gone woke? wet-to— union. has therapy gone woke? wett-to o— union. has therapy gone woke? we'll-to a leading- we'll speak to a leading psychologist— we'll speak to a leading psychologist psychotherapist we'll speak to a leading psych(whether psychotherapist we'll speak to a leading psych(whether treatment herapist we'll speak to a leading psych(whether treatment israpist about whether treatment is tottug— about whether treatment is tottug ou— about whether treatment is taking an activist turn . plus, taking an activist turn. plus, we toye— taking an activist turn. plus, we have an exclusive interview tutt— we have an exclusive interview uttt scott— we have an exclusive interview with scott nugent, a woman who ttouetttouet— with scott nugent, a woman who transitioned to— with scott nugent, a woman who transitioned to a— with scott nugent, a woman who transitioned to a trans man at the— transitioned to a trans man at the age— transitioned to a trans man at the age ot— transitioned to a trans man at the age ot 42.— transitioned to a trans man at the age of 42. scott has had to recover from several near—death egetteueee— recover from several near—death experiences during— recover from several near—death experiences during the process out— experiences during the process out teyeoet— experiences during the process and reveals all— experiences during the process and reveals all later in the stow.— and reveals all later in the etou- aut— and reveals all later in the show. and i've— and reveals all later in the show. and i've got wonderful etutto— show. and i've got wonderful studio-tonight.- show. and i've got wonderful studio tonight. i've got studio guests tonight. i've got the—toot- studio guests tonight. i've got the—josh howie- the comedians josh howie and creeetto— the comedians josh howie and cressida wetton,_ the comedians josh howie and cressida wetton, who . welcome cressida wetton, who. welcome tott— cressida wetton, who. welcome tott . — cressida wetton, who. welcome tott . ate— cressida wetton, who. welcome tott . ate you— cressida wetton, who. welcome both . are you well,- cressida wetton, who. welcome both . ' ”tit; tijtu ”xiii“ �*r' cressida wetton, who. welcome both. , both. are you well, josh? i'm good. it was my daughter's seventh birthday party today. oh, that's nice. so you're here instead? yeah exactly. it's happy. i'll see you 3“ “43?" titfuteey it's happy. i'll see you later, guys . see— happy. i'll see you later, guys . see you— happy. i'll see you later, guys . see you, suckers.— happy. i'll see you later, guys . see you, suckers. that's a goot— . see you, suckers. that's a goot eeuee— . see you, suckers. that's a good excuse earlier. and i broke my- — good excuse earlier. and i broke my. meet— good excuse earlier. and i broke my.-been dieting- good excuse earlier. and i broke my.-been dieting ,- good excuse earlier. and i broke my. been dieting , and i had my. i've been dieting, and i had ot— my. i've been dieting, and i had ot the— my. i've been dieting, and i had some of the chocolate. you had the— some of the chocolate. you had the-tot— some of the chocolate. you had the-tot tte— some of the chocolate. you had the-had the cake. - some of the chocolate. you had the had the cake. and the cake? i had the cake. and then— the cake? i had the cake. and then ._ the cake? i had the cake. and then i-totally- the cake? i had the cake. and then i totally crazy. yeah, then i went totally crazy. yeah, tut— then i went totally crazy. yeah, tut-the— then i went totally crazy. yeah, but -the - diets- then i went totally crazy. yeah, but -the - diets , i but you do the crash diets, ton-t— but you do the crash diets, ton-t yout— but you do the crash diets, don't you?-it.- but you do the crash diets, don't you? it. and then i don't you? that's it. and then i just— don't you? that's it. and then i just ate— don't you? that's it. and then i just ate everything. and all the patente— just ate everything. and all the patents—ot- just ate everything. and all the parents—of-now.| just ate everything. and all the. parents—of-now. so parents are scared of me now. so i parents are scared of me now. so ttttnt— parents are scared of me now. so ttttut toot-e— parents are scared of me now. so i think that's fair— parents are scared of me now. so i think that's fair enough. ti; i think that's fair enough. he toes— i think that's fair enough. he ttves o— i think that's fair enough. he ttves o ute— i think that's fair enough. he lives a life of— i think that's fair enough. he lives a life of extremes. - i think that's fair enough. he lives a life of extremes. does josh, yeah. you are josh, right? yeah. you are a less of an extreme ist. yeah, i

went for a bit of— less of an extreme ist. yeah, i went for a bit of a— less of an extreme ist. yeah, i went for a bit of a walk- went for a bit of a walk eottteu— went for a bit of a walk eottteu o— went for a bit of a walk earlier, a bit- went for a bit of a walk earlier, a bit more relaxed. i toveu-t— earlier, a bit more relaxed. i haven't been— earlier, a bit more relaxed. i haven't been to— earlier, a bit more relaxed. i haven't been to any children's ttttttoy— haven't been to any children's birthday parties— haven't been to any children's birthday parties today. that's about— birthday parties today. that's about-teat. - birthday parties today. that's about yeah. �*ft�*tzge about it. yeah. yeah. well, tttt-s— about it. yeah. yeah. well, tttt-s tte— about it. yeah. yeah. well, that's the live. anyway, that's the way to live. anyway, we're start tonight we're going to start tonight because some lovely because we've got some a lovely studio audience and they've studio audience here and they've normally questions. normally got some questions. we've a question rick. we've got a question from rick. where hi rick. hello. where is rick? hi rick. hello. does the left have— where is rick? hi rick. hello. does the left have an- does the left have an anti—semitism problem? does the left have an— anti—semitism problem? okay. and there-s— anti—semitism problem? okay. and ttete-s teen— anti—semitism problem? okay. and there's been two _ anti—semitism problem? okay. and there's been two stories that relate this this week, of relate to this this week, of course, now course, the guardian has now apologised cartoon apologised after a cartoon depicting the bbc's outgoing chairman, sharp , was chairman, richard sharp, was criticised anti—semitic. chairman, richard sharp, was criticised anti—semitic . we criticised as anti—semitic. we see view of the cartoon. see the view of the cartoon. there for and course earlier there for and of course earlier in the week labour mp diane abbott suspended after abbott was suspended after suggesting that jewish irish and traveller people were not subjected to racism and that was in a letter to the observer newspaper . but there's a lot to newspaper. but there's a lot to unpack here. joshua. let's start with the cartoon. what do you make of i mean, the original question, does left have question, does the left have anti—semitism it? it's anti—semitism within it? it's like, let's just go. you like, okay, let's just go. you got— like, okay, let's just go. you got two— like, okay, let's just go. you got two hours. _ like, okay, let's just go. you got two hours. so like, okay, let's just go. you got two hours. (th03th so i like, okay, let's just go. you got two hours. so i think got two hours. okay. so i think i got two hours. okay. so i think ttttut— got two hours. okay. so i think ttttut you— got two hours. okay. so i think t tttut you out— got two hours. okay. so i think i think you can just— got two hours. so i think i think you can just sum up the teet— i think you can just sum up the test seven— i think you can just sum up the last seven years— i think you can just sum up the last seven years of— i think you can just sum up the last seven years of my life. but yes,— last seven years of my life. but yes, tute— last seven years of my life. but yes, this cartoon,— last seven years of my life. but yes, this cartoon, i— last seven years of my life. but

yes, this cartoon, i mean, let me— yes, this cartoon, i mean, let me toye— yes, this cartoon, i mean, let me have my— yes, this cartoon, i mean, let me have my look— yes, this cartoon, i mean, let me have my look at i've got some notes— me have my look at i've got some notes teete— me have my look at i've got some notes here about— me have my look at i've got some notes here about it.— me have my look at i've got some notes here about it. it's moeetvety— notes here about it. it's massively anti—semitic . notes here about it. it's— massively anti—semitic . so when massively anti—semitic. so when i massively anti—semitic. so when . tu— massively anti—semitic. so when . t.— massively anti—semitic. so when . g, ._ massively anti—semitic. so when tow g, . mean.— massively anti—semitic. so when i saw it, i mean, it's so clear, you know, you can't escape the anti—semitic tropes. you anti—semitic tropes. when you look guardian editor or look at your guardian editor or a cartoonist. so this is the question. pollard question. so stephen pollard from chronicle posed from the jewish chronicle posed this question online, and i thought quite interesting. thought it's quite interesting. he him wasn't he says the issue for him wasn't even the cartoon. it was even so much the cartoon. it was why that went through, because, i cartoonist , we i mean, the cartoonist, we should martin rowson, should say, martin rowson, has apologised said that none of apologised and said that none of this was intentional, none of the imagery was intentional. multiple examples of anti—semitic were anti—semitic imagery were intentionally— anti—semitic imagery were. intentionally—even anti—semitic imagery were- intentionally_even if intentionally right. but even if tttt-o— intentionally right. but even if mots-ease.— intentionally right. but even if that's case, that that's the case, why would that someone not see that? absolutely. and what does that what does that suggest about the way his apology has been slightly undermined by it's slightly undermined by a it's not 100% confirmed, but a whatsapp message just whatsapp message that's just come with him that come out with him saying that people of people are just kind of offensiveness in the eye and beholder. and he's trying to tott— beholder. and he's trying to sort ot— beholder. and he's trying to sort ot tee-e— beholder. and he's trying to sort of he's also— : and he's trying to sort of he's also liking a lot of sort of he's also liking a lot ot tweete— sort of he's also liking a lot of tweets where _ sort of he's also liking a lot of tweets where people are eoytug — of tweets where people are eoytug ttot— of tweets where people are saying that people are being ttetoueet— saying that people are being dishonest when— saying that people are being dishonest when they're claiming it's anti semitic. so i'm just eoytug— it's anti semitic. so i'm just eoytugltou-t— it's anti semitic. so i'm just saying don't necessarily in

saying i don't necessarily go in on ute— saying i don't necessarily go in on tte oootogy— saying i don't necessarily go in on his apology. what are the ttogeee— on his apology. what are the ttogeee tte— on his apology. what are the tropes? the tropes are you've got— tropes? the tropes are you've got-suuot— tropes? the tropes are you've got-suuotlo- tropes? the tropes are you've got sunak a puppet in got rishi sunak as a puppet in the too.— got rishi sunak as a puppet in the box. you've— got rishi sunak as a puppet in the box. you've squid, the box. you've got the squid, uttet— the box. you've got the squid, uttetlttte— the box. you've got the squid, which-like an— the box. you've got the squid, which-like an age- the box. you've got the squid, which like an age old which is like an age old anti—semitic— which is like an age old anti—semitic image, like the teutoetee— anti—semitic image, like the tentacles of _ anti—semitic image, like the tentacles of the _ anti—semitic image, like the tentacles of the squid. you've got— tentacles of the squid. you've got-gott. — tentacles of the squid. you've got-gott. tou— tentacles of the squid. you've got gold. now he's saying, got this gold. now he's saying, oh, got this gold. now he's saying, ou tteee— got this gold. now he's saying, oh, these, these— got this gold. now he's saying, oh, these, these yellow things get— oh, these, these yellow things oteu-uett-e— oh, these, these yellow things aren't-were-hel aren't they were actually, he toye— aren't they were actually, he says—coins-i aren't they were actually, he. eoyo—tue tt says they're not gold coins. if you— says they're not gold coins. if you toot— says they're not gold coins. if you toot ot— says they're not gold coins. if you toot at t— says they're not gold coins. if you look at it, it— says they're not gold coins. if you look at it, it doesn't make sense. -obviously. - you look at it, it doesn't make sense. obviously. so all of sense. it's obviously. so all of tute— sense. it's obviously. so all of tote-eon— sense. it's obviously. so all of this.can.back- sense. it's obviously. so all of this.can.back and- sense. it's obviously. so all of this can back and we can't this we can go back and we can't eat— this we can go back and we can't teat-aut— this we can go back and we can't teat-ant youe- this we can go back and we can't read -and you've got. read as much. and you've got a geeou— read as much. and you've got a geeou uto-e— read as much. and you've got a person who's jewish and his his teotutee— person who's jewish and his his features being— person who's jewish and his his features being overly exaggerated dark, exaggerated and this dark, euottty—ttgl exaggerated and this dark,- swarthy,_big lipped swarthy, big nosed, big lipped yew.— swarthy, big nosed, big lipped tetu-tmoge- swarthy, big nosed, big lipped teu-tmoge te- swarthy, big nosed, big lipped jew. image is like could jew. and the image is like could be token— jew. and the image is like could be taken out— jew. and the image is like could be taken out straight out of too. — be taken out straight out of too. so— be taken out straight out of too. so-ts- be taken out straight out of 1930. so-is this- be taken out straight out of 1930. so-is this is. be taken out straight out of 1930. so this is this is why, you know, if people are arguing about was going on in the about what was going on in the cartoonist mind, it is cartoonist mind, actually it is more that people saw more important that people saw that and that's fine , we that and thought that's fine, we can that, you know, that and thought that's fine, we can surelyat, you know, that and thought that's fine, we can surely they u know, that and thought that's fine, we can surely they must w, that and thought that's fine, we can surely they must have because surely they must have seen what you're saying . people seen what you're saying. people make people seen what you're saying. people make-people have- make mistakes. people have- unconscious-whatever. unconscious racism or whatever. tut— unconscious racism or whatever. tut-out— unconscious racism or whatever. tut-out ._ unconscious racism or whatever. tut-out . sow- unconscious racism or whatever. but and i saw someone but if that if and i saw someone mote— but if that if and i saw someone mote-gott— but if that if and i saw someone make-point online,- but if that if and i saw someone make point online, if he'd make this point online, if he'd troun— make this point online, if he'd trout totte— make this point online, if he'd drawn boris johnson as a gorilla or drawn boris johnson as a gorilla ot eometttug— drawn boris johnson as a gorilla or something. yes.— drawn boris johnson as a gorilla or something. yes. like people uouttu-t— or something. yes. like people uouttu-t-tut— or something. yes. like people wouldn't-but if— or something. yes. like people wouldn't but if he'd drawn wouldn't be. but if he'd drawn someone who— wouldn't be. but if he'd drawn someone who was— wouldn't be. but if he'd drawn someone who was black as a gotttto— someone who was black as a gorilla, everyone— someone who was black as a gorilla, everyone would be like,

ttot-e— gorilla, everyone would be like, teats-out.— gorilla, everyone would be like, that's-out. that's- that's it, you're out. that's toetet. — that's it, you're out. that's toetet. luty— that's it, you're out. that's racist. .why-they - that's it, you're out. that's racist. why they not racist. so why are they not eeetug—eomel racist. so why are they not- seeing_same imagery seeing exactly the same imagery toot-e— seeing exactly the same imagery ttot-e extetet— seeing exactly the same imagery that's existed hundreds that's existed for hundreds of yeotee— that's existed for hundreds of yeotee weat— that's existed for hundreds of years? what do _ that's existed for hundreds of years? what do make of this years? what do you make of this ouemetu- tt- years? what do you make of this one,-mean, it does- years? what do you make of this. one,-mean, it does seem one, chris? i mean, it does seem like, yeah, it's anti—semitic. bingo, isn't check, check, bingo, isn't it? check, check, cheek,— bingo, isn't it? check, check, check, spectacular. and check, check. spectacular. and get— check, check. spectacular. and gtveu-tte— check, check. spectacular. and given the guardian so given that the guardian is so eeuetttve— given that the guardian is so. sensitive _other sensitive in general about other tttuge— sensitive in general about other tttuge te— sensitive in general about other things is astonishing that it got through— things is astonishing that it got through that so many people. but got through that so many people. tut-toy— got through that so many people. tut-toy pout.- but that's the key point, though, they though, isn't it? they are hypersensitive seeing hypersensitive, often seeing racism and homophobia where they're there . but when they they're not there. but when they have something which so have something which is so clearly peddling anti—semitic tropes, they don't anything. tropes, they don't do anything. i it's just tropes, they don't do anything. i it'sjust stunning. i i mean, it's just stunning. i can't believe they must have i eon-t— can't believe they must have i tout-they— can't believe they must have i can't-they didn't- can't believe they didn't toteeee— can't believe they didn't foresee backlash. can't believe they didn't- foresee-backlash. so i'm foresee this backlash. so i'm confused— foresee this backlash. so i'm confused about— foresee this backlash. so i'm confused about that. why is there that just is there this is that just this is it. it's hypocrisy of the it. it's the hypocrisy of the tett. — it. it's the hypocrisy of the tett. ant — it. it's the hypocrisy of the left. and i'm— e it's the hypocrisy of the left. and i'm from the left . and left. and i'm from the left. and tute— left. and i'm from the left. and ttte te— left. and i'm from the left. and ttte to what— left. and i'm from the left. and this is what has— left. and i'm from the left. and this is what has amazed me over these— this is what has amazed me over these toot— this is what has amazed me over these last years— this is what has amazed me over these last years is— this is what has amazed me over these last years is they don't they— these last years is they don't they connot— these last years is they don't they cannot be— these last years is they don't they cannot be self—critical . they cannot be self—critical. vee- — they cannot be self—critical. vee- aut— they cannot be self—critical. vee- ant ttey— they cannot be self—critical. yes. and they cannot accept ttett— yes. and they cannot accept ttett oun— yes. and they cannot accept their own failings. and that's tou— their own failings. and that's tow to— their own failings. and that's tow to you— their own failings. and that's how do you grow— their own failings. and that's how do you grow from that if you if how do you grow from that if you tt youe— how do you grow from that if you if you're perfect,— how do you grow from that if you if you're perfect, if— how do you grow from that if you if you're perfect, if you're automatically— if you're perfect, if you're automatically on right side automatically on the right side of automatically on the right side ot-tt— automatically on the right side ot-tt every— automatically on the right side ot-tt every way. - automatically on the right side of in every way. and we of history in every way. and we etoutt— of history in every way. and we etoutt-tte— of history in every way. and we should the guardian got should say that the guardian got in should say that the guardian got tt-tetote— should say that the guardian got

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' t: all sorts of comments. and tgttt— all sorts of comments. and ogott. you— all sorts of comments. and again, you could say, well, the cartoonist might have known cartoonist might not have known she or why she was hindu or whatever. why didn't someone that? didn't someone see that? absolutely. well, so absolutely. well, if they're so eetetttwe— absolutely. well, if they're so sensitive about— absolutely. well, if they're so sensitive about all— ' oily well, if they're so sensitive about all these other ttttge— things. exactly. sensitivity, tte— things. exactly. sensitivity,- tte—wty the anti—racist, why does why are the anti—racist, why does why ore-tot— the anti—racist, why does why are - not anti —racist - the anti—racist, why does why are not anti—racist in are they not anti—racist in tteee— are they not anti—racist in these instances? and we had mote— these instances? and we had diane abbott— these instances? and we had diane abbott last week and ogott— diane abbott last week and again, ttey— diane abbott last week and again, they went through the ttttg— again, they went through the ttttg, you— again, they went through the thing, you know, supposedly it tet— thing, you know, supposedly it was her first— thing, you know, supposedly it was her first draft, even though it was her first draft, even though tt-ttot— was her first draft, even though tt-ttot ete-t- was her first draft, even though it-that she'd sent- was her first draft, even though it that she'd sent it it found out that she'd sent it in it found out that she'd sent it tt o— it found out that she'd sent it tt o week— it found out that she'd sent it in a week earlier.— it found out that she'd sent it in a week earlier. and to so wet— in a week earlier. and to so that-apologv- - in a week earlier. and to so that apology. kitty in a week earlier. and to so that apology. hwy, ; g in a week earlier. and to so that apology. kitty t: t: that her apology. why did you send first draft into the send a first draft into the observer week and then observer a week early and then then sent it again three then she sent it again three hours later. and why did you do a hours later. and why did you do otttet— hours later. and why did you do a first draft? _ hours later. and why did you do a first draft? deny— and why did you do a first draft? z�*ttzr�*yt ”ec. v7 and why did you do a first draft? z�*ttzr�*yt ”e�*tf v7 a first draft? deny racism? vett— a first draft? deny racism? veot, ot— a first draft? deny racism? yeah, of course.— a first draft? deny racism? yeah, of course. i— a first draft? z�*ttzr�*yt ”e�*tf v7 yeah, of course. i mean, a first draft? z�*ttzr�*yt ”5157“? yeah, of course. i mean, it just toeet-t— yeah, of course. i mean, it just toeet-t-eetee.- yeah, of course. i mean, it just doesn't-sense. her- yeah, of course. i mean, it just doesn't sense. her apology doesn't make sense. her apology at doesn't make sense. her apology gg-gggn,_ doesn't make sense. her apology gg-gggn, tte— doesn't make sense. her apology at again, the guardian, it at and again, the guardian, it wett— at and again, the guardian, it went tttougt— at and again, the guardian, it went through the _ at and again, the guardian, it went through the process. it wett— went through the process. it went—editors. . went through the process. iti went—editors. no went through the process. it- went_editors. no one went through the editors. no one for went through the editors. no one tout—- went through the editors. no one totutt— ttetei for that week said, um, there woelttttg— for that week said, um, there waslthing called- for that week said, um, there was thing called the holocaust was a thing called the holocaust ttot— was a thing called the holocaust ttot you— was a thing called the holocaust ttot you-wett— was a thing called the holocaust that you -want to - was a thing called the holocaust that you want to have a that you might want to have a toot— that you might want to have a toot-ott— that you might want to have a look-and maybe— that you might want to have a look and maybe redo it. so look at and maybe redo it. so tte— look at and maybe redo it. so tt-e-tte— look at and maybe redo it. so it's-the frustration- look at and maybe redo it. so it's the frustration is it's this is the frustration is wat— it's this is the frustration is ttot tte— it's this is the frustration is that it's amongst you know, that it's amongst my, you know, the that it's amongst my, you know, tte-ttot— that it's amongst my, you know, tte-ttot t— that it's amongst my, you know, the-that i grew- that it's amongst my, you know, the-that i grew up- that it's amongst my, you know, the that i grew up in, the the world that i grew up in, the worm— the world that i grew up in, the wotttltwe— the world that i grew up in, the world i live i of _

the world that i grew up in, the worldllive.of-on. world i live in, of people on tte— world i live in, of people on tte tett— world i live in, of people on the left who _ world i live in, of people on the left who just— world i live in, of people on the left who just cannot face two— the left who just cannot face ttte etutt. — the left who just cannot face this stuff. but— the left who just cannot face this stuff. but keir- the left who just cannot face this stuff. i this stuff. but keir starmer, labour immediately labour party immediately suspended. yes so suspended. diane abbott. yes so there people now, but it's there are people now, but it's taken— there are people now, but it's token-mutt,— there are people now, but it's taken-much, but- there are people now, but it's taken much, but there are taken so much, but there are etttt— taken so much, but there are etttt geoote— taken so much, but there are still people clinging on. cettottty— still people clinging on. certainly people still people clinging on. certainly-people far certainly the people on the far tett— certainly the people on the far tett wto — certainly the people on the far left who -they're, - certainly the people on the far left who they're, they're left who just they're, they're so —wttttt- left who just they're, they're so _within their. left who just they're, they're. so _within their own so entrenched within their own wottttteee— so entrenched within their own worthiness and— so entrenched within their own worthiness and goodness that ttey— worthiness and goodness that ttey eottot— worthiness and goodness that they cannot accept that they eoutt — they cannot accept that they eoutt tt— they cannot accept that they eoutt tt ety— they cannot accept that they could in any way— they cannot accept that they could in any way have anything to-toetett— could in any way have anything to racism themselves. to do with racism themselves. so to do with racism themselves. soltt— to do with racism themselves. soltt tt— to do with racism themselves. soltt to tt— to do with racism themselves. soltt to tt tot— to do with racism themselves. solit is it not the— to do with racism themselves. solit is it not the case- to do with racism themselves. so is it is it not the case that racism of all forms can exist irrespective of people's political leanings? mean, political leanings? i mean, surely surely. yeah. i surely that's surely. yeah. i mean,icouldn't_ it5.2;.«t it5.2;.«t yeah. i mean, couldn't possibly say mean, i couldn't possibly say tt— mean, i couldn't possibly say tt eat-t— mean, i couldn't possibly say no, it can't-of- mean, i couldn't possibly say no, it can't of course it mean, i couldn't possibly say no, exist.t of course it mean, i couldn't possibly say no, exist. of course it mean, i couldn't possibly say no, exist. "

be responsible for the actions ot-ttetttete- be responsible for the actions- of-members-hundreds of family members from hundreds of family members from hundreds ot-ogoe — of family members from hundreds ot-ogoe nt— of family members from hundreds ot-ogoe -t-tot.l of family members from hundredsi ot-ogoe -t-tot. tty of years ago? oh, i hope not. my ancestors were appalling. did ancestors were appalling. so did all of things. no, this is all sorts of things. no, this is again , this is from the guardian again, this is from the guardian again, this is from the guardian again of course, these are they've discovered that direct ancestors of king charles and the royal family bought and exploited enslaved people on tobacco plantations in virginia. so they're looking they've been trawling through and finding out all of the various things. my question here is, why did you have to that study? it's have to do that study? it's obviously the case we're all descended who were descended from people who were involved in one way involved in slavery in one way or everyone and the or another. everyone and the royal especially royal family, especially aristocrats. are you kidding me? what? what why bother? yeah. i mean , i think. ithink- what? what why bother? yeah. i mean , i think. i think we- wt 7 �*ftt�*e. titty ”7 yeah. i mean , i think. i think we all. mean, i think. i think we all. it mean, i think. i think we all. tt woe.— mean, i think. i think we all. it was. anybody— mean, i think. i think we all. it was. anybody shocked? i watt-t— it was. anybody shocked? i woet-t t— it was. anybody shocked? i wasn't. i wasn't— it was. anybody shocked? i wasn't. i wasn't shocked. and otto— wasn't. i wasn't shocked. and oteo tweet.— wasn't. i wasn't shocked. and also direct. i— wasn't. i wasn't shocked. and also direct. i mean, it's not ttot— also direct. i mean, it's not ttot tweet,— also direct. i mean, it's not that direct, is— also direct. i mean, it's not that direct, is it?- also direct. i mean, it's not that direct, is it? it's a tottty— that direct, is it? it's a tottty o— that direct, is it? it's a fairly a fairly- that direct, is it? it's a fairly a fairly long way off. out— fairly a fairly long way off. out ot— fairly a fairly long way off. but of course— fairly a fairly long way off. but of course it's exactly what you-t— but of course it's exactly what youe-ttt.— but of course it's exactly what you'd-find. and- but of course it's exactly what you'd find. and say. you'd expect to find. and say. wtye— you'd expect to find. and say. wtye wett— you'd expect to find. and say. why? well, he's— you'd expect to find. and say. why? well, he's charles has he's ttteteetet— why? well, he's charles has he's ttteteetet tt— why? well, he's charles has he's interested in this— why? well, he's charles has he's interested in this isn't it. tee— interested in this isn't it. he's peddling- interested in this isn't it. he's peddling it. so “25 't: he's peddling it. so yes. and ttot-t— he's peddling it. so yes. and ttot-t t— he's peddling it. so yes. and ttot-t to very— he's peddling it. so yes. and that's a very good point. he's sort of encouraging this. but i come back to this point, you

know, if you're going to go back in into the past and find everyone's ancestors, us everyone's ancestors, none of us are and we're all are innocent and we're all a combination people who were combination of people who were enslaved slavers. you enslaved and or slavers. you know. exactly. the know. so, yeah, exactly. the peogte— know. so, yeah, exactly. the peogte-wtoee- know. so, yeah, exactly. the people-whose have- so, yeah, exactly. the people whose have have both people who whose have have both geogte— people who whose have have both geogte-tott— people who whose have have both oeoote-tott ot— people who whose have have both people both of them. so people have both of them. so yeot— people have both of them. so yeot, t— people have both of them. so yeot, t meow— people have both of them. so yeot, t t— people have both of them. so yeah, i mean, i think there were— yeah, i mean, i think there ttete tee— yeah, i mean, i think there there he's got— yeah, i mean, i think there there he's got a- yeah, i mean, i think there there he's got a direct to this person— there he's got a direct to this geot ttott — there he's got a direct to this person from 1686— there he's got a direct to this person from 1686 or something ott— person from 1686 or something ttt-ot— person from 1686 or something ttt-ot ttt— person from 1686 or something and-of did the- person from 1686 or something and of did the maths and and i sort of did the maths and it's and i sort of did the maths and to about— and i sort of did the maths and it's about two _ and i sort of did the maths and it's about two so— and i sort of did the maths and it's about two so he's got 2000 ott— it's about two so he's got 2000 ttt ttteet— it's about two so he's got 2000 and direct descendants. yes from ttot— and direct descendants. yes from ttot tte.— and direct descendants. yes from ttot tttte. att— and direct descendants. yes from that time. and one— and direct descendants. yes from that time. and one of those 2000 geogte— that time. and one of those 2000 wow! wto— that time. and one of those 2000 wow! wto-tte— that time. and one of those 2000 people who this slave people who had this slave ptetttttt— people who had this slave plantation. that that's plantation. now that that's tewttte— plantation. now that that's tewttte .— plantation. now that that's terrible . that's— plantation. now that that's terrible . that's unethical. that terrible. that's unethical. that was hundreds— terrible. that's unethical. that was hundreds ago . but was hundreds of years ago. but the was hundreds of years ago. but tte tteo— was hundreds of years ago. but the idea that— was hundreds of years ago. but the idea that this— was hundreds of years ago. but the idea that this 1 in 2000, eotteowt— the idea that this 1 in 2000, somehow what— the idea that this 1 in 2000, somehow what does do? the idea that this 1 in 2000, somehow what doesldo? it somehow what does it do? does it seep— somehow what does it do? does it seep-genet— somehow what does it do? does it seep-getee e— somehow what does it do? does it seep-genes ? does- somehow what does it do? does it seep-genes ? does it- seep into his genes? does it toes— seep into his genes? does it toee tt— seep into his genes? does it does it intrinsically now make ttt— does it intrinsically now make tttt ewt— does it intrinsically now make tttt ewt e — does it intrinsically now make him evil 7 well,— does it intrinsically now make him evil 7 well, i- does it intrinsically now make him evil ? �*ftt�*t2;.. i him evil? well, i come to the what's the point, you see, because all those people from the 1600s, they're dead. they've been dead for ages. so we can't really get them to apologise. and him apologising for something do seems something he didn't do seems a bit pointless to me. you know, if my if i apologise for something my great grandfather did, what would be point in that? would be the point in that? yeah. i can apologise yeah. i mean, i can apologise for when he got drunk

for my dad when he got drunk and vomited that's fair vomited at. well, that's fair etougt. — vomited at. well, that's fair etougt. ae— vomited at. well, that's fair etougt. we you— .t2;t: well, that's fair enough. as you should, because it-embarrassing. - enough, as you shouid, because it embarrassing. / it was very embarrassing. yeah, it was very embarrassing. yeah, tt-vett. ttt— it was very embarrassing. yeah, it-yeah. i'm not- it was very embarrassing. “23" . / i'm not bringing it was. yeah. i'm not bringing ttt— it was. yeah. i'm not bringing tttt to— it was. yeah. i'm not bringing tttt to tte— it was. yeah. i'm not bringing him to the office— . / i'm not bringing him to the office again. yeah, but — him to the office again. yeah, but .yee— him to the office again. yeah, tut-yet ot— him to the office again. yeah, but.-yes, at some- him to the office again. yeah, but. yes, at some point the but. but yes, at some point the ttte— but. but yes, at some point the tte-woken.— but. but yes, at some point the line-broken. yeah.- but. but yes, at some point the line-broken. yeah. - but. but yes, at some point the line broken. yeah. 't: but. but yes, at some point the line broken. yeah. t: line is broken. yeah. and then what— line is broken. yeah. and then what to— line is broken. yeah. and then what do do when you find what do you do when you find these connections? you know, because we into the because then we get into the questions reparations. but questions about reparations. but who to? money who do you give the to? money i mean, that the british mean, i'd say that the british royal did awful lot to royal family did an awful lot to oppress ancestors. can i get oppress my ancestors. can i get some cash? could do some cash? because i could do with it. yeah, i don't think tte— with it. yeah, i don't think we gottg— with it. yeah, i don't think we gottglgo— with it. yeah, i don't think it's going-90 to- . yeah, i don't think it's going go to individuals, it's going to go to individuals, is it's going to go to individuals, to te— it's going to go to individuals, to tte wtye— it's going to go to individuals, to tte wtye t— it's going to go to individuals, is it? why? i think well, that's wtot— is it? why? i think well, that's wtot-tottttg— is it? why? i think well, that's what talking about in what i'm talking about in atteteo. — what i'm talking about in america. "t2yt it2; what i'm talking about in- america. they're-that in america. they're saying that in america, i think it's san francisco. talking about america, i think it's san francislike talking about america, i think it's san francislike $1 talking about america, i think it's san francislike $1 millionzing about america, i think it's san francislike $1 million to; about america, i think it's san francislike $1 million to everyit giving like $1 million to every person be person who's found to be a descendant. well, i think ttete-e— descendant. well, i think there's been— :i: well, i think there's been murmurings of ctottee— there's been murmurings of charles giving— there's been murmurings of charles giving to money etottttee— charles giving to money- charities—somehow charities that that are somehow are charities that that are somehow ore—ttey-te- are not my words. they're eotteowt— are not my words. they're. somehow—yeah. are not my words. they're- somehow_yeah. it's somehow related. did yeah. it's a somehow related. did yeah. it's o-gueettot.— somehow related. did yeah. it's a-question. how- somehow related. did yeah. it's a-question. how do- somehow related. did yeah. it's a question. how do you a brilliant question. how do you tow— a brilliant question. how do you tow to— a brilliant question. how do you tow to you— a brilliant question. how do you how do you distribute the money a brilliant question. how do you how as you distribute the money a brilliant question. how do you how as you say, ribute the money a brilliant question. how do you how as you say, ifiute the money a brilliant question. how do you how as you say, if you've! money a brilliant question. how do you how as you say, if you've gottney and as you say, if you've got some some ancestry without any gutt— some some ancestry without any guttt-wttt,— some some ancestry without any guilt-with, what- some some ancestry without anyi guilt-with, what-you guilt and some with, what do you do guilt and some with, what do you to-wtte— guilt and some with, what do you do-write yourself- do then just write yourself a eteet. — do then just write yourself a eteet. t— do then just write yourself a check. i don't. _ do then just write yourself a check. i don't. i- do then just write yourself a check. t:t2t" . check. i don't. ijust think it's impossible to quantify, isn't it? yeah. yeah. pay yourself your isn't it? yeah. yeah. pay yourrlnteresting your isn't it? yeah. yeah. pay yourrlnteresting question.ir

self. interesting question. we've another question now we've got another question now from alec. where is alec? hi there. i'm wondering, there. hi, alec. i'm wondering, should control should the government control what yes. so what we see online? ah, yes. so this this week. this was this broke this week. this was justin who, you justin trudeau, who, as you know, prime know, is the canadian prime minister, often in minister, often seen in blackface. you'll have seen some of videos. and yet got of those videos. and yet he got voted goodness knows voted back in. goodness knows why. but he passed why. but he has passed this internet censorship bill. this goes years, by way, goes back years, by the way, bill c—11, they've been talking about a long, long time about this for a long, long time . they to clamp down in . um, they want to clamp down in much the same that our much the same way that our country with their online country is with their online safety bill. canada's sort safety bill. but canada's sort of pushed through. the of pushed it through. the canadian government has always been free speech. been quite bad on free speech. and they tried introduce and they they tried to introduce another bill. bill c—16, which was to force people to was trying to force people to which compelled which was a compelled speech idea had use the idea that people had to use the preferred pronouns of someone and thing censoring and it's one thing censoring someone, another making them and it's one thing censoring somsomethinganother making them and it's one thing censoring som something youter making them and it's one thing censoring som something you don'taking them and it's one thing censoring som something you don't want them say something you don't want a government like like canada sort of saying you can and of saying what you can and cannot online, surely? well cannot read online, surely? well no. and especially sort no. and especially as he's sort of no. and especially as he's sort ot eoyttg— no. and especially as he's sort ot eoyttg-wete— no. and especially as he's sort of saying,-were like,- and especially as he's sort of saying, were like, oh, of saying, they were like, oh, tot-t— of saying, they were like, oh, no, don't-about- of saying, they were like, oh, no, don't about it's no, don't worry about it. it's tot— no, don't worry about it. it's tot-to— no, don't worry about it. it's tot-to te— no, don't worry about it. it's not-to be used- no, don't worry about it. it's not-to be used in- no, don't worry about it. it's not to be used in that way not going to be used in that way . tte— not going to be used in that way . tt-e gt.— not going to be used in that way . tt-e ttte, to— not going to be used in that way . it's like, no, that's— not going to be used in that way . it's like, no, that's why you teet— . it's like, no, that's why you teet-etutt— . it's like, no, that's why you need - stuff in _ . it's like, no, that's why you need - stuff in .to - . it's like, no, that's why you need stuff in to just need this stuff in law to just

say,— need this stuff in law to just toy-were— need this stuff in law to just toy-were tot- need this stuff in law to just say, we're not going to say, no, we're not going to uttttee— say, no, we're not going to utilise—like. say, no, we're not going toj utilise—like in utilise that. but it's like in soottott— utilise that. but it's like in scotland they're like, oh, scotland where they're like, oh, no, scotland where they're like, oh, ttte— scotland where they're like, oh, no, no, this won't— scotland where they're like, oh, no, no, this won't let anybody anv— no, no, this won't let anybody oty mote— no, no, this won't let anybody any male rapist— no, no, this won't let anybody any male rapist in and any male rapist in britain. and ttet—tutte- any male rapist in britain. andi then _turns .there then suddenly it turns out there ore-ltte— then suddenly it turns out there are..the dangers— then suddenly it turns out there are. the dangers this is the are. so the dangers this is the wtote— are. so the dangers this is the wtote gottt— are. so the dangers this is the whole point of— are. so the dangers this is the whole point of having these laws of whole point of having these laws ot eowettg— whole point of having these laws of covering _these - whole point of having these laws of covering these angles. of covering all of these angles. so of covering all of these angles. so—ttot-e- of covering all of these angles. so—ttot-e tot- so that the thing that's not meant— so that the thing that's not meat to— so that the thing that's not meant to happen definitely can't togget. — meant to happen definitely can't togget. att— meant to happen definitely can't togget. ttt t— meant to happen definitely can't happen. and i don't— meant to happen definitely can't happen. "t: . meant to happen definitely can't happen. it: . happen. and i don't trust the canadian government on this sort of they of stuff. you know, when they had truckers protesting, had the truckers protesting, it was the was politicians within the government referring to was politicians within the gover as ent referring to was politicians within the gover as fascists. referring to was politicians within the gover as fascists. you referring to was politicians within the gover as fascists. you know, ing to was politicians within the gover as fascists. you know, and:o them as fascists. you know, and like it's unbelievable. you like and it's unbelievable. you don't people like that don't want people like that setting legislation that could kerb other people's speech. absolutely not. and stopping geogte—get- absolutely not. and stopping oeopte—get to| people being able to get to wet— people being able to get to ttett—ott- people being able to get toi their_ and things. their own money and things. i teet— their own money and things. i mean, no, keep it— their own money and things. i mean, no, keep it clean. keep ttot— mean, no, keep it clean. keep that relationship— mean, no, keep it clean. keep that relationship clean. i don't wett— that relationship clean. i don't watt-eteeg— that relationship clean. i don't want-creep where- that relationship clean. i don't want creep where the want any creep where the government— want any creep where the. government _footage want any creep where the- government-footage of government see that footage of mm. — government see that footage of mm. -this- government see that footage of him. _this week?- government see that footage ofi him. _this week? sort government see that footage of- him. _this week? sort of. him. trudeau this week? sort of. basically, were just kind basically, no, we were just kind of encouraging people to not take the to take vaccine and take the to take the vaccine and there's sort of there's this sort of back—pedalling thing that started trying take back—pedalling thing that start�*the trying take back—pedalling thing that start�*the money trying take back—pedalling thing that start�*the money out/ing take back—pedalling thing that start�*the money out ofg take back—pedalling thing that start�*the money out of their ake back—pedalling thing that start�*the money out of their bank take the money out of their bank account. it's sort of account. it now it's sort of like, no, we were just sort like, no, no, we were just sort of just influence them and stuff like that. and it's like, wow, history rewritten. that's history being rewritten. that's the it? the chief technique, isn't it? n...—

the chief technique, isn't it? the rewriting— the chief technique, isn't it? the rewriting history. that's the rewriting of history. that's what— the rewriting of history. that's whatiabsolutely_ the rewriting of history. that's what absolutely stand. what i absolutely can't stand. just— what i absolutely can't stand. just-to— what i absolutely can't stand. just-to-mistakes.. what i absolutely can't stand. just-to-mistakes. you just admit to the mistakes. you know,— just admit to the mistakes. you know—anyway,- know, it's amazing. anyway, so we're move on now to we're going to move on now to a question— we're going to move on now to a question from— we're going to move on now to a question from john.— we're going to move on now to a question from john. hello, john. should— question from john. hello, john. should classic— question from john. hello, john. should classic movies be for changed— changed modern audiences? okay, i'm changed modern audiences? okay, rm—tms- i'm quite pleased about this because you— i'm quite pleased about this because, you know, the direction of because, you know, the direction eeeemef-— because, you know, the direction ef-eeemelbe— because, you know, the direction ef-eeemelbe-e- because, you know, the direction of-seemslbe-a lot| of travel seems to be that a lot of travel seems to be that a lot ef-ere— of travel seems to be that a lot ef-ere eee— of travel seems to be that a lot ef-ere sort of— of travel seems to be that a lot of are sort of saying, of people are sort of saying, tee-e— of people are sort of saying, tee-e eue— of people are sort of saying, let's cut out— of people are sort of saying, let's cut out from old let's cut out scenes from old fume. — let's cut out scenes from old fume. lthey're — let's cut out scenes from old films. they're now offensive, films. if they're now offensive, tee-e— films. if they're now offensive, tees-knew,— films. if they're now offensive,i let's - know, _chapters let's you know, cut out chapters of let's you know, cut out chapters ef-beeke. — let's you know, cut out chapters ef-beeke. if— let's you know, cut out chapters of. books. if they're - of old books. if they're offensive,— of old books. if they're offensive, that kind of thing. eue— offensive, that kind of thing. bee—heel offensive, that kind of thing. bee—hes eeie but steven spielberg has said that— but steven spielberg has said that re—editing_ but steven spielberg has said that re—editing films is a mistake. — that re—editing films is a mistake. even mistake. and he's actually even app“..— mistake. and he's actually even applied-himself- mistake. and he's actually even applied himself because mistake. and he's actually even athinki himself because mistake. and he's actually even athink the himself because mistake. and he's actually even athink the hthat lf because mistake. and he's actually even athink the hthat some ause mistake. and he's actually even athink the hthat some of ;e i think the guns that some of the— i think the guns that some of the-in— i think the guns that some of the-in m. — i think the guns that some of the-in e.t. have- i think the guns that some of the in e.t. have been the officers in e.t. have been renewed— the officers in e.t. have been redigitized and— the officers in e.t. have been redigitized and they're now weeke— redigitized and they're now walkie talkies._ redigitized and they're now walkie talkies. and he says that met— walkie talkies. and he says that thee-e— walkie talkies. and he says that that-a mistake.— walkie talkies. and he says that that-a mistake. so- walkie talkies. and he says that that a mistake. so i'm quite that was a mistake. so i'm quite pleased— that was a mistake. so i'm quite pleased thee— that was a mistake. so i'm quite pleased that someone as big and important— important as steven spielberg is saying,— important as steven spielberg is seine—feel saying, look, it's possible for fume— saying, look, it's possible for fume-dete— saying, look, it's possible for films-date and— saying, look, it's possible for films date and for us to see films to date and for us to see that— films to date and for us to see that _ offensive, - films to date and for us to seej that—offensive, but that they're now offensive, but were—we- that they're now offensive, but we're—we know- we're not stupid. we know the things— we're not stupid. we know the things made— we're not stupid. we know the things made-past- we're not stupid. we know the things made past were in things made in the past were in the pest.— things made in the past were in the past. absolutely ' t: the past. absolutely and he's going— the past. absolutely and he's going understand he's now going to understand he's now going to understand he's now going change it back as well going to change it back as well for the is he. so for the next is he. yeah. so that changing your mind is that that changing your mind is a sign of intelligence. yeah. and very and he's obviously a very talented and intelligent human being. reconsidered his being. he's reconsidered his position. he's come

position. yeah. and he's come out and i was wrong and out and said i was wrong and that's a fantastic thing to do. i mean, i, i think it's okay for you to, to to, change your own creation. right? so i think, tte— creation. right? so i think, ttte when— creation. right? so i think, like when roald_ f right? so i think, like when roald dahl changed the ettgtnet— like when roald dahl changed the original oompa—loompas were ttest— original oompa—loompas were black-decided- original oompa—loompas were black decided that was black and he decided that was ettenstve— black and he decided that was offensive-he— black and he decided that was offensive. he changed that. offensive. so he changed that. so offensive. so he changed that. so ttet-s— offensive. so he changed that. so that's right.— offensive. so he changed that. so that's right. but then but then— so that's right. but then but then tte— so that's right. but then but then the new— so that's right. but then but then the new changes that have tn tave— then the new changes that have come in have been— then the new changes that have come in have been by people in the putttsttng— come in have been by people in the publishing house after he's tong— the publishing house after he's tong teet— the publishing house after he's tong tett .— the publishing house after he's long dead . that's— the publishing house after he's long dead . that's a difference, long dead. that's a difference, tset— long dead. that's a difference, tsn-t tte— long dead. that's a difference, isn't it? that— long dead. that's a difference, isn't it? that is— long dead. that's a difference, isn't it? that is a— long dead. that's a difference, isn't it? that is a difference. i isn't it? that is a difference. t-tte— isn't it? that is a difference. t-tte tttng— isn't it? that is a difference. i-the thing that- isn't it? that is a difference. i-the thing that i'm. i mean, the thing that i'm really i just want really concerned is i just want to about george lucas to hear about george lucas changing the scene in star wars where greedo shoots first. oh, yeah. is the one. this is yeah. this is the one. this is the upset the the one that's upset me for the last. this is a very nerdy point you-te— last. this is a very nerdy point you-re making-— this is a very nerdy point you're making. some people won't know— you're making. some people won't knew-seet— you're making. some people won't know-cool man. _ you're making. some people won't know-cool man. no. - you're making. some people won't know cool man. to well, of know this cool man. no. well, of george— know this cool man. no. well, of course, george lucas— know this cool man. to well, of course, george lucas went back ent—et— course, george lucas went back ent—st extre- course, george lucas went back. and—of extra monsters and added lots of extra monsters and added lots of extra monsters ent—tt— and added lots of extra monsters ent—tt tests- and added lots of extra monsters and—it looks really. and things, and it looks really stutte— and things, and it looks really stuptt. t-m— and things, and it looks really stupid. i'm the— and things, and it looks really stupid. i'm the wrong person. wett— stupid. i'm the wrong person. wettltttnt— stupid. i'm the wrong person. well,lthink it's— stupid. i'm the wrong person. well,lthink it's really- well, i think it's really exciting. it's spielberg exciting. is that it's spielberg who's it is. who's saying this. yeah it is. most what we've heard about most of what we've heard about sensitivity stuff and. and editing. people editing. it's all from people who actually experts at who aren't actually experts at their know? and he's their craft, you know? and he's come out is the person i

come out and he is the person i would want to edit stuff and he's saying don't do it. yeah very interesting. we've got one tree— very interesting. we've got one tree-mete— very interesting. we've got one time-more question.- very interesting. we've got onei time-more question. this time for one more question. this is time for one more question. this ts—tttee-s— time for one more question. this is_where's abdi?- is from abdi. where's abdi? hiya-— is from abdi. where's abdi? ttye. tt. — is from abdi. where's abdi? hiya. hi. have— is from abdi. where's abdi? hiya. hi. have protests become too hiya. hi. have protests become tee-ttgtt.— hiya. hi. have protests become tee-ttgtt. okay.- hiya. hi. have protests become too right. okay. let too violent? right. okay. so let women— women speak. women's rights event—et— women speak. women's rights event—at hyste- women speak. women's rights event at hyde park event took place at hyde park ttts— event took place at hyde park tte—ttey- event took place at hyde park this-they meet- event took place at hyde park this they meet there this afternoon. they meet there every— this afternoon. they meet there. every week. you might have seen a every week. you might have seen e-pettse— every week. you might have seen a-police presence,- every week. you might have seen a police presence, but it a large police presence, but it did a large police presence, but it ttt tum— a large police presence, but it did turn violent— a large police presence, but it did turn violent after some trees— did turn violent after some trans activists— did turn violent after some trans activists clashed with et— trans activists clashed with et tte — trans activists clashed with some of the women there. but whet— some of the women there. but whet-esteem- some of the women there. but what-actually-isl what they've actually done is attacked. — what they've actually done is attacked. .of _ what they've actually done is attacked. .of the - what they've actually done is attacked. of the female attacked. one of the female stewards— attacked. one of the female stewetts .— attacked. one of the female stewards . and— attacked. one of the female stewards . and there were reports stewards. and there were reports sette— stewards. and there were reports enttne thet— stewards. and there were reports online that they— stewards. and there were reports online that they had wrapped her in online that they had wrapped her tn e— online that they had wrapped her tn a tee— online that they had wrapped her tn a tee ent— online that they had wrapped her in a flag and beaten her. and teete— in a flag and beaten her. and there ste— in a flag and beaten her. and there she ts. — in a flag and beaten her. and there she is. and— in a flag and beaten her. and there she is. and the police are putttng— there she is. and the police are putttng-vtsttm— there she is. and the police are pulling victim away . okay. pulling the victim away. okay. ant— pulling the victim away. okay. ant-teen— pulling the victim away. okay. and been physically and she has been physically esseuttet— and she has been physically assaulted. now— and she has been physically assaulted. now this is something seeme— assaulted. now this is something we're seeing more— assaulted. now this is something we're seeing more and more at these— we're seeing more and more at these-et— we're seeing more and more at these-of events,- these kind of events, particularly- these kind of events, particularly events where women getter— particularly events where women getter enter— particularly events where women gather under the— particularly events where women gather under the let women speak tanner— gather under the let women speak tanner-tots— gather under the let women speak banner-lotslpeople- gather under the let women speak banner lots people arrive banner and lots of people arrive to banner and lots of people arrive te—ttn — banner and lots of people arrive to-from speaking,- to stop them from speaking, nntsn— to stop them from speaking, nntsn-te— to stop them from speaking, which be proving their which might be proving their tetnt— which might be proving their tetnt ever— which might be proving their tetnt se— which might be proving their point ever so much. venice point ever so much. well, i nonttn-t— point ever so much. well, i wouldn't say it's happening more and this has happened and more. this has happened for years actually seeing years now. and actually seeing a video very similar to that about from about seven years ago of a trans beating a lesbian.

trans woman beating a lesbian. and you're going and i didn't understand it at all at the time. i was like, what's going on here? and the thing is, people were defending the trans woman for beating this lesbian. an yes. for merely saying an up. yes. for merely saying that there are two sexes and whatnot. and that's what involved in this. it just involved me in this. it just seemed so insanely unfair. but you a new zealand had you have a new zealand you had this year old, again, this 72 year old, again, a lesbian being punched lesbian woman being punched repeatedly the face by a man repeatedly in the face by a man and he's on the right side of history. like, how does that this is the problem is that was at the kelly j. keane let women steak— at the kelly j. keane let women steet event— at the kelly j. keane let women steet event tn— at the kelly j. keane let women speak event in new— keane let women speak event in new zealand and all speak event in new zealand and at et— speak event in new zealand and at et tte— speak event in new zealand and all of the people— speak event in new zealand and all of the people who claim to be all of the people who claim to te tnegnesstve— all of the people who claim to be progressive saying isn't be progressive were saying isn't tnts—ant— be progressive were saying isn't this—and look- be progressive were saying isn't. this—and look-you this wonderful? and look how you knew— this wonderful? and look how you knew ne— this wonderful? and look how you know one - activists - this wonderful? and look how you know one activists is know one of these activists is compassionately_ know one of these activists is compassionately beating an ettetty— compassionately beating an elderly- around - compassionately beating an elderly around the elderly woman around the head. it's elderly woman around the head. ttt-ss— elderly woman around the head. it's-so ludicrous,— elderly woman around the head. it's-so ludicrous, isn't- it's just so ludicrous, isn't it? it's emotional, it? and it's so emotional, immature, that of childish. immature, that sort of childish. i way. going to i can't get my way. i'm going to explode. know, there's no explode. you know, there's no well, is debate. that's well, there is no debate. that's one slogans. and this one of their slogans. and this is one of their slogans. and this ts senetntng— one of their slogans. and this is something i'm— one of their slogans. and this is something i'm going- ” 3 and this is something i'm going to be tetttng— is something i'm going to be talkinglmv_ is something i'm going to be talking my guest, scott talking to my guest, scott nugent,— talking to my guest, scott tngentlttt— talking to my guest, scott nugent,.bit in- talking to my guest, scott nugent, bit in a bit, because nugent, a bit in a bit, because i nugent, a bit in a bit, because tlteet— nugent, a bit in a bit, because tlteet nttn— nugent, a bit in a bit, because i.feel with this— nugent, a bit in a bit, because i feel with this debate now, i do feel with this debate now,

it's i do feel with this debate now, tt-s—se— i do feel with this debate now, it's—so infantile.i it's just become so infantile. tut— it's just become so infantile. tut-tet— it's just become so infantile. but-that people- but also that people become tutnet— but also that people become turned—eel turned to violence and are ttetset— turned to violence and are praised _yeah,- turned to violence and are praised _yeah, butl turned to violence and are. praised _yeah, but who praised for it. yeah, but who who are the people who are being violent the trans actor violent here? the trans actor wokeist, basically, who a lot of them some of those them if they're some of those are women and they're are trans women and they're biological it's biological men. it's testosterone. proving testosterone. they're proving their not seeing their point. you're not seeing these women, gender these these women, these gender critical these these these women, these gender critice no, these these these women, these gender criticeno, not these these these women, these gender criticeno, not happening. men. no, that's not happening. that's it's a that's what i'm saying. it's a one way side. the violence goes one way side. the violence goes one way side. the violence goes one way in this matter. this one way in this matter. and this is interesting these is very interesting at these events women events that these women i actually to one last year actually went to one last year because like i was afraid because i was like i was afraid of this violence happening and i wanted to be there as a man to make because it didn't there make it because it didn't there wasn't presence there wasn't a police presence there at they very at the time, but they very cleverly they get women to be the stewards they know the stewards because they know that better you that women are better at, you know, i a woman know, because if i saw a woman being beaten up, i'm sorry, i, i wouldn't be to stop myself wouldn't be able to stop myself getting involved. but getting involved. yeah, but having brave, having women who are very brave, being stewards in front of with people who are much than people who are much larger than them, physically and them, physically larger and aggressive is there commended? well, kelly keene was being well, when kelly keene was being surrounded new surrounded in the event in new zealand and just thought if zealand and you just thought if it weren't for those stewards,

she could killed she could have been killed because a large group of because it was a large group of angry, her? angry, scary men attacking her? well, what happens at well, it's what happens at teettett— well, it's what happens at football-isn't. well, it's what happens ati football-isn't it? football matches, isn't it? trustee— football matches, isn't it? crushes terrible— football matches, isn't it? crushes terrible disasters. that's starts. yeah but that's how it starts. yeah but we have to start taking we do have to start taking a stand against stuff. i stand against this stuff. i think it's really, really tntenent.— think it's really, really- important.-someone's important. i mean, someone's gene— important. i mean, someone's goinglget_ important. i mean, someone's going-get killed— important. i mean, someone's going get killed at some going to get killed at some tent.— going to get killed at some tetnt. vet— going to get killed at some point. you know, is. this going to get killed at some pcscaryou know, is. this going to get killed at some pc scary stuff. )w, is. this going to get killed at some pc scary stuff. )w, iafter s is scary stuff. anyway, after tte— is scary stuff. anyway, after tne treet— is scary stuff. anyway, after the break on _ is scary stuff. anyway, after the break on free speech nation has the break on free speech nation nes tte— the break on free speech nation has the government betrayed tente— has the government betrayed tents—te- brexit? we're going to be steettng— brexit? we're going to be steettngle— brexit? we're going to be speaking a former speaking to a former conservative- speaking to a former conservative and ukip mp in just twe— conservative and ukip mp in just over two minutes— conservative and ukip mp in just over two minutes time. don't go enynnete—

happen. you're listening to gb news radio . news radio. welcome news radio. . iwelcome back news radio. - l welcome back to news radio. _ . welcome back to free tens tett. — . welcome back to free speech tettn. — . welcome back to free speech tettn. so— . welcome back to free speech nation. so-this- . welcome back to free speech nation. so-this year,- nation. so earlier this year, rishi pledged scrap rishi sunak pledged to scrap 4000 laws by the 4000 european union laws by the end of the year. however, this week, trade secretary kemi badenoch said that only 20% of those laws, just 800, were likely to be scrapped by december 31st. so the question

is, is this a betrayal of brexit? to discuss this, let's head to the united states and to the co—founder of vote leave, former conservative party and ukip mp douglas carswell. douglas, thanks very much for joining us tonight. douglas, thanks very much for joining us tonight . so maybe you joining us tonight. so maybe you can answer question. is it can answer that question. is it a ? ithink can answer that question. is it a ? i think brexit is a betrayal? i think brexit is being— a betrayal? i think brexit is being betrayed— , i think brexit is being betrayed ever since the netnty— being betrayed ever since the majority et— being betrayed ever since the majority of people in britain vetet— majority of people in britain tetet te— majority of people in britain voted to leave— majority of people in britain voted to leave the european unen— voted to leave the european tntn tte— voted to leave the european union, the political establishment, first of all, neuttn-t— establishment, first of all, wouldn't accept the result. we net— wouldn't accept the result. we net to— wouldn't accept the result. we net to neve— wouldn't accept the result. we net to neve e— wouldn't accept the result. we had to have a series of etesttns— had to have a series of elections for- had to have a series of elections for them to honour the tetetentun— elections for them to honour the referendum result.— elections for them to honour the referendum result. now we have a government— referendum result. now we have a government that— referendum result. now we have a government that pays lip service to text— government that pays lip service to text, tut— government that pays lip service to brexit, but they're doing netntne— to brexit, but they're doing nothing-take— to brexit, but they're doing nothing take advantage of the nothing to take advantage of the ottennntttes— nothing to take advantage of the ottennntttes et— nothing to take advantage of the opportunities of brexit. here you— opportunities of brexit. here you neve— opportunities of brexit. here you neve en— opportunities of brexit. here you have an example of 4000 eu tutes— you have an example of 4000 eu tutes nntsn— you have an example of 4000 eu rules which we— you have an example of 4000 eu rules which we were— you have an example of 4000 eu rules which we were required to totte— rules which we were required to tetten nnen— rules which we were required to follow when we _ rules which we were required to follow when we were in the eu . follow when we were in the eu. we follow when we were in the eu. we wee— follow when we were in the eu. we were promised— follow when we were in the eu. we were promised that we were going— we were promised that we were going to— we were promised that we were getng to renew— we were promised that we were going to review and remove them and going to review and remove them ent wet— going to review and remove them ent yet we— going to review and remove them ent yet we ow— going to review and remove them and yet we now hear that 80% of ten — and yet we now hear that 80% of ten ete— and yet we now hear that 80% of ten gong— and yet we now hear that 80% of them are going to— and yet we now hear that 80% of them are going to be retained. why— them are going to be retained. wnw ete— them are going to be retained. why tnew— them are going to be retained. why are they going to be tetotnete— why are they going to be retained? because the minister tent — retained? because the minister kemi badenoch,— retained? because the minister kemi badenoch, who incidentally, i kemi badenoch, who incidentally, . tset— kemi badenoch, who incidentally, . uset to— kemi badenoch, who incidentally, i used to think— kemi badenoch, who incidentally, i used to think was— kemi badenoch, who incidentally, i used to think was one of the 9°°d_ i used to think was one of the goot guys— i used to think was one of the goot guys tn— i used to think was one of the

good guys in this,— i used to think was one of the good guys in this, the minister tent — good guys in this, the minister kemi badenoch— good guys in this, the minister kemi badenoch has been told by her kemi badenoch has been told by net—ttey- her civil servants that they ton-t— her civil servants that they ton-t-get- her civil servants that they don't- get rid - her civil servants that they don't-get rid of. her civil servants that they don't get rid of them. don't want to get rid of them. wett— don't want to get rid of them. wett excuse— don't want to get rid of them. well excuse me,— don't want to get rid of them. well excuse me, is this government— well excuse me, is this government-a. well excuse me, is this- government-a brussels government run by a brussels towng— government run by a brussels loving bureaucracy or by conservative _ loving bureaucracy or by conservative ministers that we wotet — conservative ministers that we wotet tot— conservative ministers that we wotet to to — conservative ministers that we voted for to deliver on brexit? tut— voted for to deliver on brexit? tut tn— voted for to deliver on brexit? but i'm afraid— voted for to deliver on brexit? but i'm afraid to— voted for to deliver on brexit? but i'm afraid to say i don't tntnt— but i'm afraid to say i don't tntnt tnts— but i'm afraid to say i don't think this government is doing teottw— think this government is doing teottw ttot— think this government is doing really that much— think this government is doing really that much at all to take advantage— really that much at all to take otwontoge ot— really that much at all to take advantage of the— really that much at all to take advantage of the opportunities of advantage of the opportunities ot tent. — advantage of the opportunities ot tent. tt— advantage of the opportunities of brexit. if anything, actually tnts— of brexit. if anything, actually this government— of brexit. if anything, actually this government is making things tt— this government is making things tt ts— this government is making things tt ts tt— this government is making things worse. it is it is— this government is making things worse. it is it is gold plating uest— worse. it is it is gold plating rules, creating— worse. it is it is gold plating rules, creating more regulation ont— rules, creating more regulation ent ensunne— rules, creating more regulation and ensuring that— rules, creating more regulation and ensuring that britain is no tonget— and ensuring that britain is no tonget o— and ensuring that britain is no tongen o toot— and ensuring that britain is no longer a good place to do tustness— longer a good place to do business. it— longer a good place to do business. it is— longer a good place to do business. it is a- longer a good place to do business. it is a tragedy. so you— business. it is a tragedy. so you tote— business. it is a tragedy. so you t— business. it is a tragedy. so you raise a number- business. it is a tragedy. so you raise a number of- business. it is a tragedy. so you raise a number of points there, douglas, but i want to pick you on this point about pick you up on this point about the civil service. it the the civil service. is it the case that the civil service is just completely enamoured eu just completely enamoured by eu red to the extent that red tape to the extent that they're going to interfere, aren't the service aren't the civil service supposed politically supposed to be politically neutral? not, why neutral? and if they're not, why is it not the case that the government isn't anything government isn't doing anything about british civil about that? the british civil sente— about that? the british civil service i absolutely - $17 the british civil service absolutely not service is absolutely not neuttot— service is absolutely not neutral.-will- service is absolutely not neutral. will pay lip neutral. they will pay lip sente— neutral. they will pay lip sewtoe to— neutral. they will pay lip service to .fact- neutral. they will pay lip service to fact that they service to the fact that they ton-t— service to the fact that they don't-involved - service to the fact that they don't involved in party don't get involved in party tottttos— don't get involved in party politics, but— don't get involved in party politics, but have very politics, but they have very

steer— politics, but they have very clear preferences their clear preferences and their preference— clear preferences and their tnetenenoe ts— clear preferences and their preference is always in favour of preference is always in favour ot negutotton— preference is always in favour of regulation on— preference is always in favour of regulation on the idea that we snoutt— of regulation on the idea that we should somehow deregulate is onotneno— we should somehow deregulate is onotneno to— we should somehow deregulate is anathema to them.— we should somehow deregulate is anathema to them. it's some years— anathema to them. it's some years snee— anathema to them. it's some years since there— anathema to them. it's some years since there was that very tonnous— years since there was that very famous comedy. _ years since there was that very famous comedy. yes minister. and ttot— famous comedy. yes minister. and we es— famous comedy. yes minister. and we e— famous comedy. yes minister. and that was a comedy— famous comedy. yes minister. and that was a comedy that showed the that was a comedy that showed tne tenston— that was a comedy that showed the tension between a minister ent— the tension between a minister ent e— the tension between a minister ent e not— the tension between a minister and a civil servant— the tension between a minister and a civil servant with the not— and a civil servant with the civil servant— and a civil servant with the civil servant invariably getting his civil servant invariably getting nts wey. — civil servant invariably getting nts wey. tt-s— civil servant invariably getting his way. it's not— civil servant invariably getting his way. it's not a— civil servant invariably getting his way. it's not a joke anymore. this- his way. it's not a joke anymore. this is how government is anymore. this is how government ts vou— anymore. this is how government ts you newe— anymore. this is how government is run. you have a— anymore. this is how government is run. you have a minister sonne— is run. you have a minister eontne tn— is run. you have a minister eontne tn to— is run. you have a minister coming in to their department ent— coming in to their department ent ttey— coming in to their department ent tney ee— coming in to their department and they are encased in this tueeu— and they are encased in this tueeu tec— and they are encased in this bureau rac that— and they are encased in this bureau rac that simply doesn't ete— bureau rac that simply doesn't etwe tnen— bureau rac that simply doesn't give tnen tte— bureau rac that simply doesn't give them the opportunities and the give them the opportunities and tne otttons— give them the opportunities and tne otttons to— give them the opportunities and the options to do— give them the opportunities and the options to do anything that the options to do anything that the bureaucracy— the options to do anything that the bureaucracy doesn't want. wow— the bureaucracy doesn't want. wow tt— the bureaucracy doesn't want. wow tt tetes— the bureaucracy doesn't want. now it takes a— the bureaucracy doesn't want. now it takes a pretty exceptional- now it takes a pretty exceptional kind of minister to newe— exceptional kind of minister to newe tte— exceptional kind of minister to have the resources and the ettttty— have the resources and the ettttty to— have the resources and the ability to cut— have the resources and the ability to cut through that. i tntnt— ability to cut through that. i think imagine— ability to cut through that. i think imagine if you were tunntne— think imagine if you were tunntne e— think imagine if you were running a government department that running a government department tnet enttoyet— running a government department that employed ten,— running a government department that employed ten, 20, 30,000 teotte.— that employed ten, 20, 30,000 teotte.-newe- that employed ten, 20, 30,000 people. - have the - people. you don't have the ettttty— people. you don't have the ability-hire— people. you don't have the ability-hire and- people. you don't have the ability hire and fire a ability to hire and fire a stone— ability to hire and fire a stnete one— ability to hire and fire a single one. if- ability to hire and fire a single one. if if like dominic teet— single one. if if like dominic teet, you— single one. if if like dominic raab, you tried— single one. if if like dominic raab, you tried to use a bit of totust— raab, you tried to use a bit of robust persuasion— raab, you tried to use a bit of robust persuasion to get the not— robust persuasion to get the civil servants— robust persuasion to get the civil servants to— robust persuasion to get the civil servants to do what you est— civil servants to do what you est ten,— civil servants to do what you ask them, they— civil servants to do what you ask them, they can undermine you

and ask them, they can undermine you ent get— ask them, they can undermine you ent get you— ask them, they can undermine you and get you sacked,— ask them, they can undermine you and get you sacked, which is exeotty— and get you sacked, which is eoeetty wnet— and get you sacked, which is exactly what happened. and in etteot— exactly what happened. and in effect ministers— exactly what happened. and in effect ministers are simply the noutnttese— effect ministers are simply the mouthpiece permanent mouthpiece of the permanent tueuy— mouthpiece of the permanent bureaucracy-is- mouthpiece of the permanent bureaucracy is the bureaucracy and it is the tennenent— bureaucracy and it is the permanent bureaucracy that is tunntne— permanent bureaucracy that is tunntne tnts— permanent bureaucracy that is running this country that is nettne— running this country that is nettne .— running this country that is nettne , .— running this country that is making, i think, some catastrophic- making, i think, some catastrophic policy errors. and ot— catastrophic policy errors. and ot tnose— catastrophic policy errors. and one of those real— catastrophic policy errors. and one of those real errors is a tune— one of those real errors is a tettute to— one of those real errors is a failure to take— one of those real errors is a failure to take advantage of the ottonuntttes— failure to take advantage of the opportunities that brexit was supposed— opportunities that brexit was suttoset to— opportunities that brexit was supposed to be.— opportunities that brexit was supposed to be. all about. can i ask supposed to be. all about. can i est you— supposed to be. all about. can i ask you specifically— supposed to be. all about. can i ask you specifically about this question of laws and eu regulations notoriously , they're regulations notoriously, they're very difficult to pinpoint in terms of how many of our laws originate in the eu. some experts put it as high as 62. others as low as 13. no one seems to know what these laws are. can you explain why why it's important that we get these laws off our statute books ? laws off our statute books? well, i'll give you a specific exempte— well, i'll give you a specific eoentte. tte— well, i'll give you a specific example. the so—called gdpr, the one— example. the so—called gdpr, the tete ttoteotton— example. the so—called gdpr, the data protection regulations . we data protection regulations. we stenet— data protection regulations. we stenet ut— data protection regulations. we stenet up to— data protection regulations. we signed up to those when we were in signed up to those when we were tn tte— signed up to those when we were tn tne tt— signed up to those when we were in the eu, basically— signed up to those when we were in the eu, basically because a eennen— in the eu, basically because a german apparatchik in brussels wentet— german apparatchik in brussels wentet to— german apparatchik in brussels wanted to impose— german apparatchik in brussels wanted to impose german neeutettons— wanted to impose german regulations on— wanted to impose german regulations on the rest of tutote. — regulations on the rest of tunote. as— regulations on the rest of

tunote. as e— regulations on the rest of europe. as a consequence of tone— europe. as a consequence of totne so— europe. as a consequence of doing so. anyone— europe. as a consequence of doing so. anyone who complies wttn— doing so. anyone who complies wttn tott— doing so. anyone who complies with gdpr regulation is now tetttne— with gdpr regulation is now falling dramatically behind some of falling dramatically behind some ot tte— falling dramatically behind some ot tne teen— falling dramatically behind some of the tech innovation that is nettentne— of the tech innovation that is now happening around the world. i'm now happening around the world. tn tetttne— now happening around the world. tn tetttne to— now happening around the world. i'm talking to you— now happening around the world. i'm talking to you from the tnttet— i'm talking to you from the united states,— i'm talking to you from the united states, where we don't newe— united states, where we don't newe tttt. — united states, where we don't have gdpr. one— united states, where we don't have gdpr. one of the great etwenteees— have gdpr. one of the great advantages-not- have gdpr. one of the great advantages not having gdpr. advantages of not having gdpr. it advantages of not having gdpr. tt ettows— advantages of not having gdpr. it allows small— advantages of not having gdpr. it allows small retailers to tete—sonel it allows small retailers toj take—some of take advantage of some of the nettettne— take advantage of some of the marketing tools— take advantage of some of the marketing tools that social nette— marketing tools that social media platforms and the opportunities— media platforms and the opportunities that offer. opportunities that they offer. ant— opportunities that they offer.| ant—contete opportunities that they offer. - and _compete with and allows them to compete with big tteyets— and allows them to compete with big tteyens tn— and allows them to compete with big players in pretty much any tett— big players in pretty much any ttett tn— big players in pretty much any field in europe.— big players in pretty much any field in europe. small operators sen-t— field in europe. small operators sent to— field in europe. small operators sent to tnts. — field in europe. small operators can't do this. the— field in europe. small operators can't do this. the rules are noted— can't do this. the rules are neeet tn— can't do this. the rules are rigged in favour- can't do this. the rules are rigged in favour of big corporations- rigged in favour of big corporations and big corporate onttne— corporations and big corporate online marketing— corporations and big corporate online marketing . now we should online marketing. now we should newe— online marketing. now we should newe got— online marketing. now we should newe eot nt— online marketing. now we should newe got nt ot— online marketing. now we should have got rid of gdpr rules. if we ttt— have got rid of gdpr rules. if we ttt ttet— have got rid of gdpr rules. if we did that, it— have got rid of gdpr rules. if we did that, it would help small tusesses— we did that, it would help small businesses, it— we did that, it would help small businesses, it would help the ttttte— businesses, it would help the ttttte guy,— businesses, it would help the ttttte guy, tt— businesses, it would help the little guy, it would help the toe— little guy, it would help the local independent florist or wnetewet— local independent florist or wnetewet tt— local independent florist or whatever it is— local independent florist or whatever it is ,_ local independent florist or whatever it is , compete against whatever it is, compete against the whatever it is, compete against tne ttg— whatever it is, compete against the big corporations , does it the big corporations, does it not?— the big corporations, does it not? oetttng— the big corporations, does it not? getting rid— the big corporations, does it not? getting rid of these rules tnet— not? getting rid of these rules means that europe as a whole and tntetn— means that europe as a whole and britain, because— means that europe as a whole and britain, because it's— means that europe as a whole and britain, because it's aligned wttn— britain, because it's aligned wttn tnese— britain, because it's aligned with these regulations, is stntty— with these regulations, is stntty not— with these regulations, is simply not growing. you know, the simply not growing. you know, tne tutoteen— simply not growing. you know, the european union and britain, tnet-s— the european union and britain, tnet-s e— the european union and britain,

tnet-s e very— the european union and britain, that's a very important point tnet— that's a very important point we you— that's a very important point that you raise— that's a very important point that you raise about the pro—corporate- that you raise about the pro—corporate nature of the eu. ant— pro—corporate nature of the eu. ant e— pro—corporate nature of the eu. ant e tot— pro—corporate nature of the eu. ant e tot ot— pro—corporate nature of the eu. and a lot of the— pro—corporate nature of the eu. and a lot of the time— pro—corporate nature of the eu. and a lot of the time i- pro—corporate nature of the eu. and a lot of the time i think- and a lot of the time i think that discussion isn't really being had. i know you've written in your book rebel, about this, the way which corporations the way in which corporations lobby to at the detriment lobby the eu to at the detriment to businesses. but is to smaller businesses. but is that something that you think people aware people just aren't aware of? absolutely mean, brussels is absolutely i mean, brussels is testoetty— absolutely i mean, brussels is testeetty e— absolutely i mean, brussels is basically a nexus— ' give i mean, brussels is basically a nexus between big tustness— basically a nexus between big business interests and bureaucracy- business interests and bureaucracy ,- business interests and bureaucracy , and they love bureaucracy, and they love wotttng— bureaucracy, and they love working together because bureaucracy— working together because bureaucracy is— working together because bureaucracy is used by big businesses— bureaucracy is used by big businesses to— bureaucracy is used by big businesses to rig the rules. teewng— businesses to rig the rules. teewng tne— businesses to rig the rules. leaving the eu— businesses to rig the rules. leaving the eu meant we were suttoset— leaving the eu meant we were suttoset to— leaving the eu meant we were supposed to change this and deal wttn— supposed to change this and deal wttn tt— supposed to change this and deal wttn tt. tt-s— supposed to change this and deal with it. it's really— supposed to change this and deal with it. it's really depressing to see— with it. it's really depressing to e— with it. it's really depressing to see a so—called conservative etntntsttetton— to see a so—called conservative administration carry on doing wnet— administration carry on doing wnet we— administration carry on doing what we would _ administration carry on doing what we would pretty much do if we were in the— what we would pretty much do if we were in the european union, tetttng— we were in the european union, tetttng to— we were in the european union, tetttng to tete— we were in the european union, failing to take advantage of the ottottuntty— failing to take advantage of the ottonuntty ent— failing to take advantage of the opportunity and then somehow tnetenttng— opportunity and then somehow pretending that— opportunity and then somehow pretending that they're delivering— pretending that they're delivering brexit, they're delivering on brexit, they're stntty— delivering on brexit, they're stntty not. — delivering on brexit, they're stnttynot. .t- delivering on brexit, they're simply not. g : delivering on brexit, they're- simply not. .it would seem to simply not. but it would seem to me that every every conservative prime minister there's been a few since since brexit. now they've all treated brexit as really a case of damage limitation rather than trying to

find the opportunity , would find the opportunity, would you say right? i find the opportunity, would you say right ? i would. say that's right? i would. i mean, i remember- say that's right? i would. i mean, i remember in- q7 iwould. i mean, i remember in the run up to tne— mean, i remember in the run up to the referendum _ mean, i remember in the run up to the referendum campaign on tetng— to the referendum campaign on tetng son— to the referendum campaign on tetng sott ot— to the referendum campaign on tetng sott ot tn— to the referendum campaign on being sort of in the bunker, the vote— being sort of in the bunker, the vote teete— being sort of in the bunker, the vote leave bunker— being sort of in the bunker, the vote leave bunker and it was tnete— vote leave bunker and it was there weren't— vote leave bunker and it was there weren't many people around and there weren't many people around ent .— there weren't many people around ent . oettetnty— there weren't many people around and i certainly can't— there weren't many people around and i certainly can't remember neny— and i certainly can't remember neny ot— and i certainly can't remember neny ot tne— and i certainly can't remember many of the current cabinet who otetn — many of the current cabinet who now claim that— many of the current cabinet who now claim that somehow they are tettt— now claim that somehow they are brexit champions. _ now claim that somehow they are brexit champions. i— now claim that somehow they are brexit champions. i think many of brexit champions. i think many ot tnen— brexit champions. i think many of them fundamentally from tnetese— of them fundamentally from tnetese ttey— of them fundamentally from theresa may onwards, haven't teetty— theresa may onwards, haven't really understood— theresa may onwards, haven't really understood the point of text.— really understood the point of text. ttey— really understood the point of brexit. they think it's all etout— brexit. they think it's all about being— brexit. they think it's all about being rude about foreigners.— about being rude about foreigners. they it's all foreigners. they think it's all etout— foreigners. they think it's all about,-know,_ foreigners. they think it's all about, know, controlling about, you know, controlling tnntgnetton— about, you know, controlling immigration. they've about, you know, controlling immi managed they've about, you know, controlling immi managed to they've about, you know, controlling immi managed to do they've about, you know, controlling immimanaged to do theybut about, you know, controlling immi managed to do theybut you even managed to do that, but you tnow— even managed to do that, but you know, ministers— even managed to do that, but you know, ministers talk— even managed to do that, but you know, ministers talk about oonttottng— know, ministers talk about controlling the _ know, ministers talk about- controlling the _channel. controlling the english channel. they— controlling the english channel. ttey—oonttot- controlling the english channel. they—control their. they can't even control their own—we- they can't even control their own—we i they can't even control their. own _we see with own departments. we see with wnet— own departments. we see with we nettenet— own departments. we see with what happened to dominic raab, the what happened to dominic raab, tne ctwt— what happened to dominic raab, the civil service— what happened to dominic raab, the civil service-in— what happened to dominic raab, the civil service in control. the civil service is in control. tntetn— the civil service is in control. tntetn ts— the civil service is in control. britain is never— the civil service is in control. britain is never going get britain is never going to get its britain is never going to get ttsitogetnet— britain is never going to get its together until we have its act together until we have a oonsewettwe— its act together until we have a conservative administration that comes in and treats the tennenent— comes in and treats the permanent mandarins in britain the permanent mandarins in britain tne wey— permanent mandarins in britain the way margaret— permanent mandarins in britain the way margaret thatcher tteetet — the way margaret thatcher treated the _ the way margaret thatcher treated the national union of tones— treated the national union of wtnets—tete- treated the national union of miners _take on. treated the national union of. miners _take on this miners. unless we take on this westet— miners. unless we take on this vested interest— miners. unless we take on this vested interest in— miners. unless we take on this vested interest in whitehall and teteet— vested interest in whitehall and teteet tt— vested interest in whitehall and defeat it, britain— vested interest in whitehall and defeat it, britain will always be defeat it, britain will always te gowetnet— defeat it, britain will always be governed by— defeat it, britain will always be governed by mediocrity . be governed by mediocrity. tougtes— be governed by mediocrity.

douglas carswell,- be governed by mediocrity. douglas carswell, thanks very much for joining douglas carswell, thanks very much forjoining me. douglas carswell, thanks very much forjoining me . and after much forjoining me. and after the break on free speech nation, has therapy gone woke? i'm going to be joined by a leading clinical psychologist and psychotherapist . see you in two psychotherapist. see you in two minutes

on gb news. the people's cnennet.— on gb news. the people's channel. britain is watching . channel. britain is watching. wetoone— channel. britain is watching. welcome back— channel. britain is watching. welcome back to— channel. britain is watching. welcome back to free- channel. britain is watching. welcome back to free speech nation. later in the show, i'll be turning agony uncle with the help of my wonderful panel josh howie and cressida wetton. we're going you with your going to help you deal with your unfiltered so do email unfiltered dilemmas. so do email us gbviews@gbnews.uk. if us at gbviews@gbnews.uk. if you've got any problems whatsoever, we're going to help you out, apparently. anyway, sit . nicole therapies perspectives on the anti therapeutic nature of critical social justice. a new book edited by writer and psychotherapist dr. val thomas sets out the apparent activist turn that professional psychotherapy has taken in

recent years. it details that therapy has come to be shaped by critical social justice ideology and is no longer a client centred politically neutral practise, so to speak. about this in more detail, i'm delighted to welcome clinical psychologist dr. carol sherwood and a psychotherapist, ben harris. thank you both for joining us. thank you , qatar i'm joining us. thank you, qatar i'm going— joining us. thank you, qatar i'm gotng to— joining us. thank you, qatar i'm gotng to tone— joining us. thank you, qatar i'm gotng to to— joining us. thank you, qatar i'm going to come to you— " g thank you, qatar i'm going to come to you first. ca" going to come to you first. can you— going to come to you first. can you just— going to come to you first. can you just describe— going to come to you first. can you just describe this is an interesting book. it combines many, many different authors and perspectives on this problem , a perspectives on this problem, a problem a lot of people problem that a lot of people won't even understand exists. yeah, very true, andrew, yeah, that's very true, andrew, ant— yeah, that's very true, andrew, ant-wny— yeah, that's very true, andrew, ant-wny tn— yeah, that's very true, andrew, and-why i'm-glad and that's why i'm really glad net— and that's why i'm really glad we've had the— and that's why i'm really glad we've had the opportunity to tone-tett— we've had the opportunity to come .talk to _ we've had the opportunity to come .talk to you - we've had the opportunity to come talk to you and your come and talk to you and your viewers-listeners- come and talk to you and your viewers listeners tonight. viewers and listeners tonight. tut— viewers and listeners tonight.l tut—neny but i think there can't be many ot— but i think there can't be many ot tte— but i think there can't be many areas of life that— but i think there can't be many areas of life that aren't touonet— areas of life that aren't touonet ty— areas of life that aren't touched by social touched by critical social iusttoe— touched by critical social justice ideology and therapy is no etoettton— justice ideology and therapy is no exception. and this is a worry— no exception. and this is a worry because— no exception. and this is a worry because people who seek nett— worry because people who seek tett ton — worry because people who seek tett ton e— worry because people who seek help from a therapist are genenetty— help from a therapist are genetetty et— help from a therapist are generally at a- help from a therapist are generally at a low ebb. they're ttsttesset— generally at a low ebb. they're distressed, they— generally at a low ebb. they're distressed, they may have enxtety— distressed, they may have enxtety ot— distressed, they may have anxiety or depression and what ttey— anxiety or depression and what tney neet— anxiety or depression and what tney neet ts— anxiety or depression and what they need is somebody who's teteet— they need is somebody who's teteet to— they need is somebody who's prepared to treat— they need is somebody who's prepared to treat them as a

untgue— prepared to treat them as a unique individual to actually sit unique individual to actually sttwttn— unique individual to actually sit with them,— unique individual to actually sit with them, to be compassionate and sit with them, to be— compassionate and non—judgmental . tut— compassionate and non—judgmental . tut wnet— compassionate and non—judgmental . tut wnet ete— compassionate and non—judgmental . but what we're getting now are eottwst— . but what we're getting now are activist therapists _ . but what we're getting now are activist therapists and activist tnetettsts— activist therapists and activist therapists have— activist therapists and activist therapists have a— activist therapists and activist therapists have a political egente— therapists have a political egente. ttey— therapists have a political agenda. they want to impose tnet— agenda. they want to impose their political— agenda. they want to impose their political views on their ettents. — their political views on their ettents. so — their political views on their clients. so if— their political views on their clients. so if you— their political views on their clients. so if you come along to see one of these— clients. so if you come along to see one of these activist tnetettsts— see one of these activist tnenettsts .— see one of these activist therapists , what they will do is therapists, what they will do is tetnet— therapists, what they will do is tetnet tnen — therapists, what they will do is rather than treat _ therapists, what they will do is rather than treat you as a untgue— rather than treat you as a unique individual, they will setegonse— unique individual, they will categorise you— unique individual, they will categorise you as a member of a neg-onty— categorise you as a member of a neg-onty grout— categorise you as a member of a neg-onty grout ot— categorise you as a member of a neg-onty group on e— categorise you as a member of a majority group or a member of a ntnonty— majority group or a member of a ntnonty grout.— majority group or a member of a minority group. so— majority group or a member of a minority group. so that's sonetntng— minority group. so that's something we- minority group. so that's something we should clarify. is ttet— something we should clarify. is ttet wnet— something we should clarify. is ttet wtet we— something we should clarify. is that what we call— something we should clarify. is that what we call critical- that what we call critical social justice more colloquially known as wokeism? we're talking about mindset that sees about a mindset that sees everyone first and foremost in terms of group identity rather than individual. and surely when it therapy, the it comes to therapy, the individual is surely what matters most. would think matters most. you would think so, and indeed it has been for many, many years, even from the time of freud. but now, because tnts— time of freud. but now, because tnts ts— time of freud. but now, because tnts ts e— time of freud. but now, because this is a political— g ti.t: but now, because this is a political endeavour for this is a political endeavour to tne— this is a political endeavour for the therapists who are meant to te— for the therapists who are meant to te tetttng— for the therapists who are meant to be helping the— for the therapists who are meant to be helping the individual, are to be helping the individual, eotuetty— to be helping the individual, are actually trying to change sootety— are actually trying to change sootety. tt-s— are actually trying to change society. it's like— are actually trying to change society. it's like a form of

soot— society. it's like a form of social engineering. and so what ttey— social engineering. and so what tney wttt— social engineering. and so what tney wttt to— social engineering. and so what tney wttt to ts— social engineering. and so what they will do is if— social engineering. and so what they will do is if they label you— they will do is if they label you es— they will do is if they label you es e— they will do is if they label you as a privileged person , then you as a privileged person, then ttey— you as a privileged person, then tney wttt— you as a privileged person, then tney wttt gtwe— you as a privileged person, then they will give you _ you as a privileged person, then they will give you a moral re—education._ they will give you a moral re—education. they'll tell you youte— re—education. they'll tell you youte tenst— re—education. they'll tell you you're racist or— re—education. they'll tell you you're racist or you're a member of you're racist or you're a member ot tne— you're racist or you're a member of the patriarchy— you're racist or you're a member of the patriarchy and this has to onenge— of the patriarchy and this has to onenge ot— of the patriarchy and this has to change or if— of the patriarchy and this has to change or if you're perceived as a member of— to change or if you're perceived as a member of an— to change or if you're perceived as a member of an oppressed 9f°upt_ as a member of an oppressed 9f0upt e— as a member of an oppressed grout. e ntnottty— as a member of an oppressed group, a minority, then you'll be group, a minority, then you'll te guttet— group, a minority, then you'll be guided towards political eottwsn — be guided towards political activism yourself. \ttif.t�*tt" be guided towards political activism yourself. \ttijit�*tt" activism yourself. now, this is very— activism yourself. now, this is very interesting and i'm going to bring ben in on this because we've seen this in many, many fields, particularly academia, but even in secondary education and even primary education, where activists become teachers and then they will teach the children that if they are white, they are complicit in white supremacy, whether they like it or cetera. things like or not. et cetera. things like this simplistic, this a very simplistic, reductive it's in reductive worldview, but it's in therapy. know, people have therapy. you know, people have been come been surprised that it's come into in area at into medicine in that area at all. therapy. well, that's all. but therapy. well, that's ngnt— all. but therapy. well, that's ngnt .— all. but therapy. well, that's ngnt . tsn-t— all. but therapy. well, that's right, isn't it? _ all. but therapy. well, that's right, isn't it? i— all. but therapy. well, that's right, isn't it? i mean,- right, isn't it? i mean, therapy, one might traditionally think as being a very think of it as being a very nuanced activity, a very nuanced practise says, practise that, as carol says, thinks goals. thinks about individual goals. what really seeing, i what we're really seeing, i think, is a tragedy. i don't think, is a tragedy. i don't think it's unfair—

think, is a tragedy. i don't think it's unfair to- g: i don't think it's unfair to that think it's unfair to use that wort— think it's unfair to use that wott .— think it's unfair to use that wott . tut.— think it's unfair to use that word , but, you— think it's unfair to use that word , but, you know, maybe you word, but, you know, maybe you soutt— word, but, you know, maybe you ooutt ttnt— word, but, you know, maybe you ooutt ttnt e— word, but, you know, maybe you could find a way— word, but, you know, maybe you could find a way to— word, but, you know, maybe you could find a way to think about onttoet— could find a way to think about critical theory— could find a way to think about critical theory in— could find a way to think about critical theory in a— could find a way to think about critical theory in a more nuenoet— critical theory in a more nuenset wey- critical theory in a more nuanced way, but quite often the way— nuanced way, but quite often the wey-uset— nuanced way, but quite often the wey-usetltt— nuanced way, but quite often the way-usedlit sort- nuanced way, but quite often the way-usedlit sort of- way it's used is it sort of testtoys— way it's used is it sort of destroys the _ way it's used is it sort of destroys the traditional understanding that therapeutic notettttes— understanding that therapeutic modalities-up.- modalities have built up. decolonisation down in decolonisation breaks down in the decolonisation breaks down in tne ttetntng— decolonisation breaks down in the training institutes, the ttees— the training institutes, the ttees ttet— the training institutes, the ideas that therapy is made of ent— ideas that therapy is made of ent tt— ideas that therapy is made of and it replaces— ideas that therapy is made of and it replaces it— ideas that therapy is made of and it replaces it with this. wnet— and it replaces it with this. wnet t— and it replaces it with this. what i think— and it replaces it with this. what i think of— and it replaces it with this. what i think of is this very ttet— what i think of is this very ttet wey— what i think of is this very ttet wey ot— what i think of is this very flat way of thinking about tttngs— flat way of thinking about tntngs. so— flat way of thinking about things. so there are black and wntte— things. so there are black and wntte ttees— things. so there are black and white ideas of— things. so there are black and white ideas of good and bad. people— white ideas of good and bad. neotte tttnt— white ideas of good and bad. people think ipp_ white ideas of good and bad. people think ipp traditionally, when you come to therapy, it's about rikki neave rising responsibility that you've got some role in the problems that you've got, that the world is grey, that it's not black and white. so you do that if white. so you can't do that if the person diagnosing you or treating you into treating you divides you into either oppressed or an either an oppressed or an oppressor class. absolutely right. and, know, maybe your right. and, you know, maybe your eutene— right. and, you know, maybe your euttenoe-et— right. and, you know, maybe your audience,-at home- ” t; and, you know, maybe your audience, at home might ” t; and, you know, maybe your audieto e, at home might ” t; and, you know, maybe your audieto think at home might ” t; and, you know, maybe your audieto think about home might ” t; and, you know, maybe your audieto think about what! might ” t; and, you know, maybe your audieto think about what isiight ” t; and, you know, maybe your audieto think about what is itjht want to think about what is it ttet— want to think about what is it we ts— want to think about what is it that is meaningful them in that is meaningful for them in ttet— that is meaningful for them in ttet t— that is meaningful for them in ttet t neen— that is meaningful for them in life? i mean, for— that is meaningful for them in life? i mean, for most people, t-n — life? i mean, for most people, t-n petty— life? i mean, for most people, t-n tnetty sue— life? i mean, for most people, i'm pretty sure it's not tottttset— i'm pretty sure it's not political activism. what political activism. and what tnts— political activism. and what tnts-tnts— political activism. and what this-this seeks- political activism. and what this this seeks to is political activism. and what. this-this seeks to.is to this what this seeks to do is to say— this what this seeks to do is to sey ttet— this what this seeks to do is to sey tnet youe— this what this seeks to do is to say that you've got to think etout— say that you've got to think

about yourself— say that you've got to think about yourself terms of these about yourself in terms of these oppressor— about yourself in terms of these ottnesson ent— about yourself in terms of these oppressor and oppressed classes, and oppressor and oppressed classes, ent-youte— oppressor and oppressed classes, ent-you-we-to- oppressor and oppressed classes, and-you've-to do- and then you've got to do sonetntng— and then you've got to do something about therapy is something about it. therapy is etout— something about it. therapy is about healing— something about it. therapy is about healing and growth. that's wnet— about healing and growth. that's wnet tt— about healing and growth. that's what it should— about healing and growth. that's what it should be— about healing and growth. that's what it should be about, right? it's what it should be about, right? ttt-etout— what it should be about, right? tt-s-etout tt— what it should be about, right? it's about it telling people it's not about it telling people now— it's not about it telling people now ttey— it's not about it telling people now tney neet— it's not about it telling people how they need to _ it's not about it telling people how they need to focus their gg, — how they need to focus their gg, tetttng— how they need to focus their life, telling them they need to be life, telling them they need to te eottwst. — life, telling them they need to be activist. but— life, telling them they need to be activist. but unfortunately, tnts— be activist. but unfortunately, tnts-ttegety— be activist. but unfortunately, this-tragedy that- be activist. but unfortunately, this tragedy that is this this tragedy that is happening— this this tragedy that is happening that the kind of happening is that the kind of the happening is that the kind of tte—ete- happening is that the kind of. the—are convinced the therapists who are convinced by..— the therapists who are convinced bv-e they— the therapists who are convinced ty. tney ttey— the therapists who are convinced by -, they they _their| by this, they they become their own-ot— by this, they they become their own-ot torn — by this, they they become their own .of form of _ by this, they they become their own of form of moral own kind of form of moral nettsstsst— own kind of form of moral narcissists. they impose their teues— narcissists. they impose their values on their— narcissists. they impose their values on their clients . you values on their clients. you tnow— values on their clients. you tnow. wnen — values on their clients. you tnow. wnen t— values on their clients. you know, when i was trained , it was know, when i was trained, it was etsotutety— know, when i was trained, it was absolutely clear— know, when i was trained, it was absolutely clear that's not what youte— absolutely clear that's not what youte totng— absolutely clear that's not what youte totngle— absolutely clear that's not what you're doing a therapist. you're doing as a therapist. to.— you're doing as a therapist. to. t— you're doing as a therapist. to. t neen— you're doing as a therapist. no. i mean, surely- you're doing as a therapist. no. i mean, surely a- you're doing as a therapist. no. i mean, surely a therapist who effectively to who is effectively trying to recruit activist cause is recruit for an activist cause is effectively blaming the patient recruit for an activist cause is effttheirly blaming the patient recruit for an activist cause is effttheir privilege g the patient recruit for an activist cause is effttheir privilege and; patient recruit for an activist cause is effttheir privilege and sayingit for their privilege and saying they proactively go out they need to proactively go out into and change it for into society and change it for the better. that person the better. can that person really to a therapist really be said to be a therapist at all? no, not at all. and ttet-s— at all? no, not at all. and tnet-s wny— at all? no, not at all. and that's why we've- 7 no, not at all. and that's why we've called this toot— that's why we've called this book perspectives on the anti tneteteutto— therapeutic nature of critical sonet— therapeutic nature of critical sootet-tt-s— therapeutic nature of critical social-it's not- social justice. it's not ttetety— social justice. it's not therapy. can- social justice. it's not therapy. can i just ask, though, is therapy. can i just ask, though, ts tnts— therapy. can i just ask, though, ts tnts tust— therapy. can i just ask, though, is this just the— therapy. can i just ask, though, is this just the case that lots of is this just the case that lots ot eottwsts— is this just the case that lots of activists have— is this just the case that lots of activists have come into the ttotesston— of activists have come into the profession and _ of activists have come into the profession and they now tontnete— profession and they now dominate, come

profession and they now- dominate,-come from dominate, or has it come from tnose— dominate, or has it come from tnose wto— dominate, or has it come from tnose wno ee— dominate, or has it come from those who are training therapists? - those who are training therapists? g , 7 those who are training- therapists? has it come? are those who are training— therapists? has it come? are the roots a bit more deeper? yeah, that's an interesting— g :7 yeah, that's an interesting question. i that's an interesting question. t—tton- that's an interesting question. i_from severali i think it comes from several ttttetent— i think it comes from several different-yes- i think it comes from several different yes there are different sources. yes there are esttwsts— different sources. yes there are activists who _ different sources. yes there are activists who wish— different sources. yes there are activists who wish to become tnetety— activists who wish to become tnenety .— activists who wish to become tnenety . tes.— activists who wish to become therapy . yes. so— activists who wish to become therapy . yes. so it's a grass therapy. yes. so it's a grass toots— therapy. yes. so it's a grass roots movement— therapy. yes. so it's a grass roots movement amongst some young— roots movement amongst some young teotte— roots movement amongst some young people who_ roots movement amongst some young people who want to be eottwsts — young people who want to be activists, therapists. but also were— activists, therapists. but also tnete ee— activists, therapists. but also there are governmental organisations- there are governmental organisations like nhs health, ttuoetton— organisations like nhs health, education england who are tntostng— education england who are tntostng ent— education england who are imposing anti racism as it's so oettet— imposing anti racism as it's so settet ent— imposing anti racism as it's so called and decolonisation on ottntoet— called and decolonisation on clinical psychology training course. and— clinical psychology training course. and we- clinical psychology training course. and we should probably clarify that because anti racism sounds great because we're all against racism, but that's not what it means, it? no, it what it means, is it? no, it isn't. what it means.- g .7’ no, it isn't. what it means. and it's onttoet— isn't. what it means. and it's critical race— isn't. what it means. and it's critical race theory. and it was tntetesttng— critical race theory. and it was tntetesttng .— critical race theory. and it was interesting , heard talking interesting, i heard you talking eetttet— interesting, i heard you talking earlier-diane— interesting, i heard you talking earlier diane abbott's earlier about diane abbott's tetten— earlier about diane abbott's tetten-en— earlier about diane abbott's letter. an example of letter. that is an example of snttset— letter. that is an example of critical race— letter. that is an example of critical race theory in action, teeuse— critical race theory in action, because can you— critical race theory in action, because can you explain that? teen.— because can you explain that? teen. — because can you explain that? yeah, sure. because what it is seytng— yeah, sure. because what it is seytng ts— yeah, sure. because what it is seytng ts ttet— yeah, sure. because what it is saying is that however disadvantaged a white person may be, disadvantaged a white person may te. ttey— disadvantaged a white person may te. tney ee— disadvantaged a white person may be, they are incapable of experiencing— be, they are incapable of experiencing racism because of the experiencing racism because of tne sooutt— experiencing racism because of tne soout ot— experiencing racism because of the colour of their— experiencing racism because of

the colour of their skin. so we can see how that— the colour of their skin. so we can see how that kind of ettnoesn— can see how that kind of approach, that- can see how that kind of approach, that critical race tneonst— approach, that critical race theorist approach actually genetetes— theorist approach actually genenetes e— theorist approach actually generates a hyper racialized , generates a hyper racialized, ttwstwe— generates a hyper racialized, divisive worldview . ' t: divisive worldview. and this is important, isn't it, ben? because one of the main tenets of critical race theory and anti racism is you have to be proactively anti—racist. it's not good enough not to be racist. have stop others racist. you have to stop others from racist. you have to from being racist. you have to detect often it isn't. detect it often where it isn't. you know. so this is this has got nothing to do with therapy, surely. well, that's right. and of surely. well, that's right. and ot lsouseyou— surely. well, that's right. and of course,.you think- ”tint well, that's right. and of course, you think about of course, if you think about ttet— of course, if you think about ttet-ot— of course, if you think about that-of needing- of course, if you think about that of needing to detect that idea of needing to detect it that idea of needing to detect tt tn— that idea of needing to detect tt tn-teotte— that idea of needing to detect it in-people and- that idea of needing to detect it in people and then sort it in other people and then sort of neutralise— it in other people and then sort of neutralise it— it in other people and then sort of neutralise itlfix- it in other people and then sort of neutralise it fix them, of neutralise it or fix them, tnen— of neutralise it or fix them, tnen-setttng- of neutralise it or fix them, then-setting up- of neutralise it or fix them, then setting up a kind of then you're setting up a kind of tenettgn— then you're setting up a kind of paradigm around— then you're setting up a kind of paradigm around power, which is of paradigm around power, which is ot—tneyte- of course what they're interested _ of course what they're interested in.- of course what they're interested in. they that interested in. they say that tower— interested in. they say that power elsewhere interested in. they say that- power-elsewhere-they're power lies elsewhere and they're ttytng — power lies elsewhere and they're ttytng—tut- power lies elsewhere and they're ttytng—tut ttl trying to rectify things. but if youte— trying to rectify things. but if youte-to— trying to rectify things. but if you're-to tell- trying to rectify things. but if you're to tell your trying to rectify things. but if you're how to tell your trying to rectify things. but if you're how to to tell your trying to rectify things. but if you're how to fixell your trying to rectify things. but if you're how to fix themselves in client how to fix themselves in tnts— client how to fix themselves in ttt-nonet— client how to fix themselves in this moral morally this sort of moral morally determinative— this sort of moral morally determinative way, you're tntostng—onl determinative way, you're . tntostng—on yout imposing your power on your sttent. — imposing your power on your client. surely— imposing your power on your client. surely-are- imposing your power on your client. surely-are of client. surely there are lots of therapists who going therapists who aren't going along who are along with this and who are actually a very good job. actually doing a very good job. and so what's the extent of this? hard tell. this? well that's hard to tell. and that's that's because people are and that's that's because people ere—etout- are being quite quiet about ttts—toot- are being quite quiet about this—book is. are being quite quiet about. this._book is very this. it's why this book is very

tntottent— this. it's why this book is very tntottent-tt-s- this. it's why this book is very important, it's really important, because it's really the important, because it's really tne ttst— important, because it's really tne ttst ot— important, because it's really the first of organised coming togetnet— the first of organised coming| togetnet—ntgnty together of a group of highly ettenset— together of a group of highly expensed practitioners, clinical tsysnotogtsts— psychologists, psychotherapists, eseetntss— psychologists, psychotherapists, eseetntssto— psychologists, psychotherapists, academics to talk— psychologists, psychotherapists, academics to talk about this, to otter— academics to talk about this, to offer differing— academics to talk about this, to offer differing critiques of wtet-s— offer differing critiques of wnet-s gotng— offer differing critiques of what's going on, different ways of what's going on, different ways ot enetystng— what's going on, different ways ot enetystng tt— what's going on, different ways of analysing it. we are starting to see— of analysing it. we are starting to e— of analysing it. we are starting to e ttt— of analysing it. we are starting to see a bit of— of analysing it. we are starting to see a bit of pushback in the tenets— to see a bit of pushback in the journals-well. _ to see a bit of pushback in the journals well. there was an journals as well. there was an tnese— journals as well. there was an tnete wes— journals as well. there was an tnete e— journals as well. there was an there was a paper— journals as well. there was an there was a paper in the tutoteen— there was a paper in the european journal of psychotherapy recently questioning— psychotherapy recently questioning a different questioning from a different engte—wouttl questioning from a different. angle _would take, angle than what i would take, but angle than what i would take, tut—to— angle than what i would take, tut—to tett- angle than what i would take, but—to talk about| but but starting to talk about tnese— but but starting to talk about tese—so- but but starting to talk about these-so what- but but starting to talk about these so what we're these questions. so what we're stetttng— these questions. so what we're stetttng to— these questions. so what we're stentng to see— these questions. so what we're starting to see is— these questions. so what we're starting to see is a— these questions. so what we're starting to see is a little bit ot— starting to see is a little bit more of people— starting to see is a little bit more of people sort of piping up a more of people sort of piping up e ttt.— more of people sort of piping up e ttt. ant— more of people sort of piping up a bit. and that's— more of people sort of piping up a bit. and that's what we want to esouge— a bit. and that's what we want to encourage. carolyn i want to encourage colleagues to start to tntnt— encourage colleagues to start to tntnt etout— encourage colleagues to start to think about-and— encourage colleagues to start to think about. and .to - think about this and start to tett— think about this and start to tett etout— think about this and start to talk about it,— think about this and start to talk about it, to— think about this and start to talk about it, to understand ttet— talk about it, to understand we wnet— talk about it, to understand that what appears to be a sort of that what appears to be a sort ot very— that what appears to be a sort ot wety smote.— that what appears to be a sort of very simple, positive thing on—estuetty- of very simple, positive thing on_actually, like| on the surface, actually, like ewetytntng— on the surface, actually, like ewetytntng-tn- on the surface, actually, like everything in life, it has everything else in life, it has ttewtests— everything else in life, it has drawbacks, right? need to be drawbacks, right? we need to be ttet— drawbacks, right? we need to be aware that anything that you tusn— aware that anything that you oust-tett— aware that anything that you push-dark side- aware that anything that you push dark side as well as push has a dark side as well as a push has a dark side as well as e ttgnt— push has a dark side as well as e ttgnt stte. — push has a dark side as well as a light side. and— push has a dark side as well as a light side. 't: a light side. and this is difficult, it? because difficult, isn't it? because whenever infects whenever this ideology infects any institution, it's any particular institution, it's quite who quite unforgiving to those who don't along with it. and that don't go along with it. and that surely means that it is going to get worse in therapy.

get worse and worse in therapy. i right. and i think that's right. and i mean, you've seen examples as i think that's right. and i meaigallagheraen examples as i think that's right. and i meaigallagheraen

debate. we're going to be joined by writer and campaigner raquel rosano by writer and campaigner raquel rosario sanchez. after a controversial move by the university of bristol this week . see you in just two minutes.

welcome back to free speech nation. the university of bristol has banned the public from a feminist society's event with a lawyer critical of the controversial charity stonewall. when students invited akua reindorf to the event , it reindorf to the event, it prompted bosses to limit who attended and asked women talk back. the group behind the debate out to cover half of the security costs . with the event security costs. with the event on the brink of being cancelled, the free speech union funded a venue off campus. education minister clare coutinho led minister clare coutinho has led the backlash to the conditions imposed the university. she imposed by the university. she said learning how have civil said learning how to have civil discussions things we

discussions about things we disagree central to the disagree upon is central to the university experience. would university experience. you would have thought anyway. writer have thought so anyway. writer and campaigner raquel rosario sanchez , who organised the talk, sanchez, who organised the talk, joins in the studio. so joins me now in the studio. so welcome show . so we welcome to the show. so we should probably start at the beginning. so you organise this event through your feminist society and this is akua reindorf, who is a lawyer who had previously criticised the university of essex for their decision to no platform. certain academics, one of whom joe phoenix, was on this show. so you wanted to hear her speak ? you wanted to hear her speak? yes. it was simply an event with tewyets— yes. it was simply an event with lawyers, barristers— “it; it was simply an event with lawyers, barristers and sottsttots— lawyers, barristers and solicitors to - lawyers, barristers and solicitors to talk about women's ngnts— solicitors to talk about women's ngnts ent— solicitors to talk about women's rights and there— solicitors to talk about women's rights and there was nothing. it esnt— rights and there was nothing. it wasn't an event— rights and there was nothing. it wasn't an event to— rights and there was nothing. it wasn't an event to talk specifically _ wasn't an event to talk specifically trans wasn't an event to talk- specifically _trans issues specifically about trans issues . it specifically about trans issues . tt-etout— specifically about trans issues . it about women's rights. . it was about women's rights. ant— . it was about women's rights. ant we— . it was about women's rights. and we thought— . it was about women's rights. and we thought when we've otgentset— and we thought when we've organised all— and we thought when we've organised all the events before, tnese— organised all the events before, tnete newe— organised all the events before, there have been— organised all the events before, there have been open to the putts— there have been open to thei public—organise there have been open to the- public_organise one public and when we organise one ttet— public and when we organise one we wes— public and when we organise one we tust— public and when we organise one that was just lawyers, we tnougnt— that was just lawyers, we thoughtlwas- that was just lawyers, we thought was to be that was just lawyers, we. thoughtlwas-to be a thought it was going to be a straightforward— thought it was going to be a straightforward process that straightforward process and that it straightforward process and that tt—te— straightforward process and that tt—te so- straightforward process and that tt—te so eesy- straightforward process and that it_be so easy. and| it was going to be so easy. and tnts— it was going to be so easy. and tnts wes— it was going to be so easy. and tnts tne— it was going to be so easy. and this was the most— it was going to be so easy. and this was the most challenging event— this was the most challenging event-newe— this was the most challenging event-have put- this was the most challenging event have put together event that we have put together teseuse—eettyi because it was very clear early on ttet— because it was very clear early on we tne— because it was very clear early on that the university did not went—

on that the university did not went us— on that the university did not want us there. _ on that the university did not want us there. ' t: on that the university did not want us there. t: on that the university did not want us there. ' t: t: want us there. and they've said that this is to do with secured city right this often when city right now. this often when we platforming, we get these no platforming, these people being disinvited, security excuse. security seems to be the excuse. yes seems senior yes. it seems that senior nenegenent— yes. it seems that senior management at universities and etso— management at universities and etso stutent— management at universities and also student unions like they're tust— also student unions like they're just toottng— also student unions like they're just looking for— also student unions like they're just looking for excuses to make ttet— just looking for excuses to make sure that free— just looking for excuses to make sure that free speech does not tete— sure that free speech does not tete ttese. — sure that free speech does not tete ttese. so— sure that free speech does not take place. so they go through a tong— take place. so they go through a tong ttst— take place. so they go through a long list restrictions to see long list of restrictions to see wnet— long list of restrictions to see wnet sen— long list of restrictions to see wnet we— long list of restrictions to see what can we put— long list of restrictions to see what can we put in place to make sure-tnts— what can we put in place to make sure-this doesn't— what can we put in place to make sure-this doesn't go- what can we put in place to make sure this doesn't go ahead. sure that this doesn't go ahead. ant— sure that this doesn't go ahead. ant tn— sure that this doesn't go ahead. ant tn ou— sure that this doesn't go ahead. and in our event,— sure that this doesn't go ahead. and in our event, they just they stetn— and in our event, they just they stetn ttet— and in our event, they just they claim that-could- and in our event, they just they claim that could be claim that there could be testtesn— claim that there could be backlash public disorder from backlash in public disorder from the backlash in public disorder from tte-teens— backlash in public disorder from the-trans activist- the students, trans activist asas.— the students, trans activist acas.-response. the students, trans activist acas. response is the students, trans activist- acas.-response is like, acas. and my response is like, wett— acas. and my response is like, wett sonttot— acas. and my response is like, well, control your— acas. and my response is like, well, control your trans esttwtsts— well, control your trans activists. you - well, control your trans- activists. you _control, activists. you know, control, sonttot— activists. you know, control, control-students- activists. you know, control, control students to make control your students to make ttet— control your students to make sure that the— control your students to make sure that the event goes ahead . sure that the event goes ahead. ant— sure that the event goes ahead. ant-ttnt— sure that the event goes ahead. and didn't happen. and that didn't happen. but surety— and that didn't happen. but. surety—ttnt surely there must be some kind of punishing for students that kick off , shall we say, if kick off, shall we say, if they're going to cause a violent spectacle. they're the problem . spectacle. they're the problem. i say so. but, you know , i would say so. but, you know, teset— i would say so. but, you know, teset on— i would say so. but, you know, teset on my— i would say so. but, you know, based on my own— i would say so. but, you know, based on my own experience as a stutent— based on my own experience as a student-university- based on my own experience as a student university of student at the university of tnstot— student at the university of tnstot ent— student at the university of bristol and what we have wttnesset— bristol and what we have witnessed, trans activist stutents— witnessed, trans activist students do _ witnessed, trans activist students do inside and outside sentus— students do inside and outside sentus et— students do inside and outside campus at university really campus at the university really nes— campus at the university really nes syntetntes— campus at the university really has sympathies with the protesters— has sympathies with the protesters and not with everyone

etse— protesters and not with everyone etse. ant— protesters and not with everyone etse. ant to— protesters and not with everyone etse. ant to to— protesters and not with everyone else. and to to the— protesters and not with everyone else. and to to the the point ttet— else. and to to the the point we ttey— else. and to to the the point that they have— else. and to to the the point that they have gone to court and etguet— that they have gone to court and etguet-to— that they have gone to court and etguet-to not- that they have gone to court and argued-do not have. that they have gone to court and argued do not have a argued that they do not have a tuty— argued that they do not have a tutylsete— argued that they do not have a tutylsete to— argued that they do not have a duty-care to those- argued that they do not have a duty care to those people who duty of care to those people who are duty of care to those people who tetgetet— duty of care to those people who are targeted, for— duty of care to those people who are targeted, for example, tentntsts— are targeted, for example, feminists-me,- are targeted, for example, feminists me, instead, they feminists like me, instead, they newe— feminists like me, instead, they newe-ot— feminists like me, instead, they newe-ot-to- feminists like me, instead, they have of to everyone have a duty of care to everyone etse— have a duty of care to everyone etseltnet-s— have a duty of care to everyone else..that's very— have a duty of care to everyone else. that's very much the else. so that's very much the untwetstty— else. so that's very much the untwetstty-e- else. so that's very much the university-a-on. else. so that's very much the. university-a-on that else. so that's very much the. unithat ty-a .on that else. so that's very much the unithat particulart on that else. so that's very much the unithat particular ideologicalat on that particular ideological tes.— on that particular ideological issue. yes. whereas- on that particular ideological issue. “it; it on that particular ideological issue. 4113 , issue. yes. whereas of course, they've got a duty to care to everyone. you would have thought. i would thought. everyone. you would have thougthough?ild thought. everyone. you would have thougthough? akua thought. everyone. you would have thougthough? akua reindorf, it. everyone. you would have thougthough? akua reindorf, a why, though? akua reindorf, a lawyer individual lawyer. why is this individual so controversial able to the activists? i no idea. and activists? i have no idea. and you— activists? i have no idea. and you-wtet?— activists? i have no idea. and you-wtet? on- activists? i have no idea. and you-what? on friday- ti . 557 i have no idea. and you what? on friday night, you know what? on friday night, teseuse— you know what? on friday night, because we were— you know what? on friday night, because we were able to find a sesont— because we were able to find a second venue, we— because we were able to find a second venue, we have to scenarios taking place in tnstot— scenarios taking place in tnstot .— scenarios taking place in bristol . we— scenarios taking place in bristol . we had a meeting bristol. we had a meeting a sensttte— bristol. we had a meeting a sensttte .— bristol. we had a meeting a sensible , sombre meeting with sensible, sombre meeting with tentntst— sensible, sombre meeting with feminist lawyers— sensible, sombre meeting with feminist lawyers talking about women's rights— feminist lawyers talking about women's rights .— feminist lawyers talking about women's rights . acquah speech women's rights. acquah speech etout— women's rights. acquah speech was about migrant women and the exttottetton— was about migrant women and the exploitation that— was about migrant women and the exploitation that they often tese — exploitation that they often tese ent — exploitation that they often face and how— exploitation that they often face and how they're incredibly wutnetette— face and how they're incredibly vulnerable-mean,- face and how they're incredibly vulnerable mean, had vulnerable. i mean, it had notntng— vulnerable. i mean, it had notntng to— vulnerable. i mean, it had nothing to .with- vulnerable. i mean, it had nothing to with controversy. nothing to do with controversy. sonete— nothing to do with controversy. sonete ette— nothing to do with controversy. so .were able to _ nothing to do with controversy. so were able to this so we were able to hold this vent — so we were able to hold this vet tt— so we were able to hold this event. it was— so we were able to hold this event. it was a— so we were able to hold this event. it was a lively discussion.- event. it was a lively discussion. it- event. it was a lively discussion. it was women engegtng— discussion. it was women - engaging—engaging- engaging the public, engaging. and engaging the public, engaging. ant tnen— engaging the public, engaging. ant tnen on— engaging the public, engaging. and then on the— engaging the public, engaging. and then on the other side, we net— and then on the other side, we net teens— and then on the other side, we had trans activist— and then on the other side, we had trans activist students tunntng— had trans activist students running, roaming around the sentus—

running, roaming around the campus university of campus of the university of tnstot— campus of the university of tnstot-tot- campus of the university of bristol for women to bristol looking for women to etuse— bristol looking for women to etuse ant— bristol looking for women to abuse. and instead of supporting the abuse. and instead of supporting tne tewyets— abuse. and instead of supporting the lawyers and— abuse. and instead of supporting the lawyers and the women who are the lawyers and the women who tust— the lawyers and the women who iust ttytng— the lawyers and the women who iust ttytng to— the lawyers and the women who are just trying to meet to talk etout— are just trying to meet to talk etout-ngnts— are just trying to meet to talk about-rights, the- about their rights, the university— about their rights, the university sides with the protesters. — university sides with the- protesters. - related protesters. so is this related to tne— protesters. so is this related to tne teton— protesters. so is this related to the report that akua reindorf wtote— to the report that akua reindorf wtote etout— to the report that akua reindorf wrote about stonewall when it seneltne— wrote about stonewall when it came the university of essex came to the university of essex 7 _to — came to the university of essex ? _to academicl ? deplatforming to academic sites because of threats from trans activists ? akua randolph trans activists? akua randolph wrote that actually they were wrong in their decision and that they shouldn't have de—platformed this. and also that stonewall have misled that stonewall might have misled them they should them to believe that they should be deplatforming people for reasons of equality. is that what really about? the what this is really about? the layers of irony in story layers of irony in this story are much, you know, are just too much, you know, because would have thought because you would have thought like, well, we would have, we would thought the would we thought that the university proud university would be proud that au students acquah au students brought acquah reindorf. and amazing reindorf. and this amazing tewyets— reindorf. and this amazing tewyens wto— reindorf. and this amazing lawyers who are - ”c: t: and this amazing lawyers who are highly respectable _ lawyers who are highly respectable at lawyers who are highly respectable - at top lawyers who are highly respectable-at top of respectable women at the top of ttet— respectable women at the top of their profession— respectable women at the top of their profession .— respectable women at the top of their profession . but it turns their profession. but it turns out— their profession. but it turns out-ttey— their profession. but it turns out-ttey tett- their profession. but it turns out they felt like out that they felt like something- out that they felt like something else. you know , and i something else. you know, and i tntnt— something else. you know, and i tntnt ttet— something else. you know, and i think that the— something else. you know, and i think that the irony is really is think that the irony is really ts teetty— think that the irony is really is really interesting because teens— is really interesting because trans activist— is really interesting because trans activist organisations tte— trans activist organisations ttte tne— trans activist organisations like the controversial charity ttetnetts —

like the controversial charity mermaids,-is- like the controversial charity mermaids, is currently mermaids, which is currently tetng— mermaids, which is currently being investigated by the snenty— being investigated by the charity commission, they have teen — charity commission, they have teen on— charity commission, they have been on campus— charity commission, they have been on campus open to the putts— been on campus open to the tuttts nevtng— been on campus open to the public having all of these vents— public having all of these events-liberty. public having all of these events liberty that events with the liberty that ttey— events with the liberty that ttey-nevtng. - events with the liberty that they having. this they should be having. this event— they should be having. this event. meanwhile, feminists event. but meanwhile, feminists ttytng— event. but meanwhile, feminists ttytnglneet— event. but meanwhile, feminists ttytnglneet to— event. but meanwhile, feminists trying meet to discuss their trying to meet to discuss their ngnts— trying to meet to discuss their rights somehow— trying to meet to discuss their rights somehow we are beyond the tete— rights somehow we are beyond the pets ent— rights somehow we are beyond the pale and restrictions have to be put pale and restrictions have to be tut—tt-s— put in place. so it's interesting. " put in place. so it's- interesting. i mean, i'm all put in place. so it's— interesting. i mean, i'm all for peaceful protest. i think people should to protest for should be able to protest for whatever want. it whatever they want. but when it comes to threatening, threatening and harassment and abuse down abuse and shutting things down forcibly, far as i'm forcibly, that's as far as i'm concerned, step far. concerned, takes a step too far. is there just a major problem with speech campuses with free speech on campuses now? absolutely. and i think ttet— now? absolutely. and i think we wnet— 7 absolutely. and i think that what happened on friday wttn— that what happened on friday wttn testest— that what happened on friday with respect to— that what happened on friday with respect to the university of with respect to the university ot—exentte- with respect to the university of_example that| of bristol is an example that tetote— of bristol is an example that tetote tt— of bristol is an example that before it used— of bristol is an example that before it used to— of bristol is an example that before it used to be, well , you before it used to be, well, you neve— before it used to be, well, you have feminists— before it used to be, well, you have feminists who advocate for sex have feminists who advocate for teset— have feminists who advocate for sex based rights— have feminists who advocate for sex based rights and trans esttvtst— sex based rights and trans activist protesters, but the universities— activist protesters, but the universities are - activist protesters, but the universities are trying to just tte— universities are trying to just ttte teet— universities are trying to just like keep this— universities are trying to just like keep this balance . now, like keep this balance. now, tnese— like keep this balance. now, tnete ts— like keep this balance. now, tnete ts no— like keep this balance. now, there is no balance now. it is esetents— there is no balance now. it is academic institutions clearly stttng— academic institutions clearly stttng wttn— academic institutions clearly siding with people who want to stut— siding with people who want to snut town — siding with people who want to shut down free— siding with people who want to shut down free speech and the tteeton— shut down free speech and the tteeton ot— shut down free speech and the freedom of assembly of women. ant— freedom of assembly of women. ant tte— freedom of assembly of women. ant tte-sey.— freedom of assembly of women. and like-say, when- freedom of assembly of women. and like-say, when you- freedom of assembly of women. and like you say, when you have these groups, they're not

these other groups, they're not attacked they're abused, attacked, they're not abused, and shut down. and and they're not shut down. and obviously, women not going obviously, women are not going tolto— obviously, women are not going tolto tnose— obviously, women are not going to.to those events- obviously, women are not going to to those events trying to to go to those events trying to stut— to go to those events trying to snut tt— to go to those events trying to snut tt town. — to go to those events trying to shut it down. we— to go to those events trying to shut it down. we just we enabled tnose— shut it down. we just we enabled toss—.— shut it down. we just we enabled tnose—. we— those discussions. we want teotte— people to talk about trans ngnts— people to talk about trans ngnts-wey— people to talk about trans rights way they see rights the way that they see fit — rights the way that they see fit iwent— rights the way that they see fit iwent to — rights the way that they see fit. want to encourage fit. we want to encourage a sttnete— fit. we want to encourage a sttnete tn— fit. we want to encourage a climate in which- fit. we want to encourage a climate in which these topics te— climate in which these topics can be can can— climate in which these topics can be can can take place. but tne— can be can can take place. but tne otter— can be can can take place. but the other side— can be can can take place. but the other side of— can be can can take place. but the other side of the debate, ttey— the other side of the debate, tney to— the other side of the debate, tney to-went— the other side of the debate, they do .want the - the other side of the debate, they do want the debate to they do not want the debate to tete— they do not want the debate to tete-ent— they do not want the debate to tete-ent ttey— they do not want the debate to take - and they - not i take place and they want not onty— take place and they want not onty to— take place and they want not onty to-town— take place and they want not only to down conversations only to shut down conversations etout— only to shut down conversations etout-ngnts— only to shut down conversations about-rights,-shut- only to shut down conversations aboutconversations shut only to shut down conversations aboutconversations aboutit only to shut down conversations about conversations about women's down conversations about women's ngnts— down conversations about women's ngntslgenetet— down conversations about women's ngntslgenetet tn— down conversations about women's rights-general in the— down conversations about women's rights general in the law, rights in general in the law, wntsn— rights in general in the law, wntsn ts— rights in general in the law, which is what— rights in general in the law, which is what our event was etout. — which is what our event was etout. ant— which is what our event was about. and do— which is what our event was about. and do you- which is what our event was about. t: titit which is what our event was about. 35 about. and do you see things getting better anytime soon? i thought that they be thought that they would be tetten — better. i genuinely thought i neve— better. i genuinely thought i neve teen— better. i genuinely thought i have been organised in events ent— have been organised in events ent-to— have been organised in events ent-to ny- have been organised in events and-do my work- have been organised in events and do my work and my and trying to do my work and my esttvtsn — and trying to do my work and my esttvtsn et— and trying to do my work and my activism at the— and trying to do my work and my activism at the university of tnstot— activism at the university of tnstot tot— activism at the university of bristol for a— activism at the university of bristol for a number of years. ant— bristol for a number of years. ant|genutnety— bristol for a number of years. and genuinely thought and i genuinely thought that tttngs— and i genuinely thought that tntngs—entl and i genuinely thought thati tntngs—ent te things would improve and be tetten— things would improve and be tetten ant— things would improve and be better. and i'm— things would improve and be better. and i'm taken aback and i'm better. and i'm taken aback and t-n suttnset— better. and i'm taken aback and i'm surprised that— better. and i'm taken aback and i'm surprised that it seems that tntngs— i'm surprised that it seems that tntngs neve— i'm surprised that it seems that things have become more sontenttous— things have become more contentious and worse . t: contentious and worse. raquel toseno— contentious and worse. raquel rosario sanchez, thanks so much for joining me tonight. really forjoining me tonight. really appreciate it . so a university appreciate it. so a university of bristol spokesperson has said

we are firmly committed to upholding freedom of speech and welcome members of our community. arnie to invite a wide range of speakers onto our campus. we also have a duty to ensure events are carried out in a safe manner which doesn't endanger the others, the spokesperson added . the event spokesperson added. the event was but as related was approved, but as related women back events have women talk back events have previously attracted significant protest and disorder. we decided additional security was required and that admission should be restricted to staff and students only. so that's their statement. in the interests of balance. but look, it's time now for a break. but please do not go anywhere. there is so much more to come between now and 9:00. we have got an interview with scott nick hewer tonight, a woman who transitioned to a trans man at the age of 42. and scott has had to recover from several near—death experiences during to recover from several nea process. experiences during to recover from several nea process. and riences during to recover from several nea process. and will:es during to recover from several nea process. and will be during the process. and will be revealing all in the next hour. and is the scottish government mounting an elitist assault on the justice system ? we'll also the justice system? we'll also be talking again to our panel

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transitioned to— be speaking to scott nugent, who transitioned to a— be speaking to scott nugent, who transitioned to a trans man six yeets— transitioned to a trans man six yeens ego.— transitioned to a trans man six years ago. survived years ago. scott survived seveet— years ago. scott survived several near—death experiences ent— several near—death experiences ent tetts— several near—death experiences enttetts nts— several near—death experiences and tells his story— several near—death experiences and tells his story shortly, but tt-s— and tells his story shortly, but tt-s tne— and tells his story shortly, but now it's the headlines with aeton — now it's the headlines with aaron armstrong . aaron armstrong. thank you, andrew. let's get you up to date with the headlines from the gb newsroom. a british national is hoping to flee the fighting in sudan are being urged to catch an extra flight, leaving for the uk tomorrow. it will from uk tomorrow. it will depart from the of port sudan, the eastern city of port sudan, where earlier the first shipment of humanitarian aid arrived for the millions of people trapped in capital, khartoum. those in the capital, khartoum. those hoping to leave are being told to to international to get to the international airport before midday. british navy ships have also docked in port sudan to support the evacuation efforts. rival military forces , though, have military forces, though, have accused each other of fresh violations of a ceasefire as the deadly conflict continues for a third week, the health secretary says the 28 hour nursing strike is premature and disrespectful

to other unions. the royal college of nursing are working out , having rejected the latest out, having rejected the latest government offer. the strike is starting now at 8:00. however, the rcn says national exemptions are in place to provide critical care during the strike, following talks with nhs england. the public are being urged to use the nhs wisely. steve barclay, though, says he's hopeful the dispute can be resolved when health unions, employers and government representatives meet later this week. the staff council is due to meet on tuesday. i'm cautiously optimistic that the stet— cautiously optimistic that the staff council— cautiously optimistic that the staff council will agree to then vote — staff council will agree to then vote tn— staff council will agree to then vote in favour— staff council will agree to then vote in favour of— staff council will agree to then vote in favour of the deal, but i vote in favour of the deal, but t tntnt— vote in favour of the deal, but t tntnt tt-s— vote in favour of the deal, but i think it's right— vote in favour of the deal, but i think it's right to wait until tuestey— i think it's right to wait until tuestey tot— i think it's right to wait until tuesday for the— i think it's right to wait until tuesday for the staff council to meet— tuesday for the staff council to meet ent — tuesday for the staff council to meet and this— tuesday for the staff council to meet and this strike is tnenetute. — meet and this strike is premature. i- meet and this strike is premature. i think it's disrespect— premature. i think it's disrespect awful to the other teete— disrespect awful to the other trade unions— disrespect awful to the other trade unions .— disrespect awful to the other trade unions. i— disrespect awful to the other trade unions. i think the rcn snoutt— trade unions. i think the rcn should have— trade unions. i think the rcn should have waited . they're a should have waited. they're a ete— should have waited. they're a nentetltne— should have waited. they're a member-the staff- should have waited. they're a member the staff council . member of the staff council. t hey— member of the staff council. ttey—tte - they were part of the negotiations- they were part of the negotiations and as i say, pat sutten— negotiations and as i say, pat cullen herself— negotiations and as i say, pat cullen herself recommend added this cullen herself recommend added tnts-net— cullen herself recommend added this-her members- cullen herself recommend added this her members . this deal to her members. liz tuss— this deal to her members. liz ttuss ts— this deal to her members. liz truss is disputing— this deal to her members. liz truss is disputing a- this deal to her members. liz truss is disputing a government bill related to her use of a

grace and favour country house while she was foreign secretary. the former prime minister has been asked to pay back around £12,000 for costs incurred at the evening estate in kent. it covers the period last summer when she was fighting the conservative leadership campaign against rishi sunak. the bill was largely for hospitality , but was largely for hospitality, but also included some missing items such as bathrobes . ms truss says such as bathrobes. ms truss says she will replace those is and it mostly relates to official government business rather than personal expenses . the man personal expenses. the man suspected of killing five of his neighbours, including an eight year old boy, on friday, could be anywhere by now, according to authorities in texas, police believe francisco oropeza attacked the family next door after being asked to stop firing after being asked to stop firing a semi—automatic weapon in his garden. police have widened the search area to a 20 mile radius around the town of cleveland. that's to the north of houston. the suspect, who's mexican , is the suspect, who's mexican, is believed to have fled the united

states . and the british army has states. and the british army has begun rehearsals for the coronation next week end. soldiers from all divisions of the armed forces have gathered at areas across south london to prepare for the ceremonial event . soldiers have flown home from operation nile, duty from as far afield as cyprus, iraq and kenya to represent their regiments and cause at the event on tv online dab plus tunein radio . this is dab plus tunein radio. this is gb news. now it's back to andrew and free speech nation . and free speech nation. welcome back to free speech nation. with me, andrew doyle . nation. with me, andrew doyle. so nation. with me, andrew doyle. so weve— nation. with me, andrew doyle. so got— nation. with me, andrew doyle. so got e— wit. tit" with me, andrew doyle. so we've got a wonderful wit. ti?" with me, andrew doyle. so we've got a wonderful studio euttense— so we've got a wonderful studio audience here.— so we've got a wonderful studio audience here. let's get some guesttons— audience here. let's get some questions from _ audience here. let's get some questions from them. our first ts— questions from them. our first ts ton — questions from them. our first one is from paul.— questions from them. our first one is from paul. paul hello. hi, one is from paul. paul hello. nt. anttew. — one is from paul. paul hello. hi, andrew. : hi, andrew. should i leave valuable items in my shed ? valuable items in my shed? well, that's very much up to

you,— well, that's very much up to you teut — well, that's very much up to you. teut tut— well, that's very much up to you, paul. but this is about etout— you, paul. but this is about etout tne— you, paul. but this is about about the recent- you, paul. but this is about about the recent police policy, wntsn— about the recent police policy, wntsn neens— about the recent police policy, which means that— about the recent police policy, which means that thefts from snets— which means that thefts from snets ent— which means that thefts from sheds and outbuildings, they're no tonget— sheds and outbuildings, they're no tongen gotng— sheds and outbuildings, they're no longer going to be recorded as no longer going to be recorded es none— no longer going to be recorded as home break— no longer going to be recorded as home break ins. and this is sse— as home break ins. and this is ton.— as home break ins. and this is since 2017, police— as home break ins. and this is since 2017, police in england ent— since 2017, police in england ent wetes— since 2017, police in england and wales have— since 2017, police in england and wales have considered any tonestts— and wales have considered any domestic burglary— and wales have considered any domestic burglary to include not just tne— domestic burglary to include not just tne nouse— domestic burglary to include not just the house, but obviously all just the house, but obviously ett tne— just the house, but obviously all the buildings around the nouse— all the buildings around the nouse tut— all the buildings around the house. but that's now been stenget— house. but that's now been changed. chris— house. but that's now been changed. chris gunter what do you— changed. chris gunter what do you mete— changed. chris gunter what do you nete ot— changed. chris gunter what do you make of this— changed. chris gunter what do you make of this one after evesytoty-s— you make of this one after everybody's lockdown , everybody's had a lockdown, evetytoty-s— everybody's had a lockdown, everybody's working from home and everybody's working from home ent-ttet— everybody's working from home and-their laptop— everybody's working from home and their laptop stored in and got their laptop stored in the and got their laptop stored in tte-wto— and got their laptop stored in the-who-their- and got their laptop stored in. the _who -their laptop the shed, who puts their laptop in the shed, who puts their laptop tnlsnet— the shed, who puts their laptop tnlsnet t — the shed, who puts their laptop inlshed? .got- the shed, who puts their laptop inlshed ? .got a- the shed, who puts their laptop in shed ? git. ”tiit: ti in a shed? i've got a friend. he spends all his in his shed spends all his time in his shed now. that's his special working, you know, the man cave. but now it's means that it's 24/7. but this means that enytntng— it's 24/7. but this means that enytntng ttet— it's 24/7. but this means that anything that gets— . i?” but this means that anything that gets stolen from you— anything that gets stolen from yout-tnet-s— anything that gets stolen from your-that's-really. your shed, that's not really ttett—tt-sl your shed, that's not really. theft._|t's not theft. well, it's not. it's not a theft. well, it's not. it's not e tonestts— theft. well, it's not. it's not a domestic burglary, is it? what is then? i don't know. is it, then? i don't know. that's that's a really good question. so the thing is, tnougn— question. so the thing is, tnougn-so- question. so the thing is, though,-so many- question. so the thing is,- though,-so many people, though, josh, so many people, wnen— though, josh, so many people, wnen-wnen— though, josh, so many people, when-when-breakj though, josh, so many people,- when -when-break into when they when people break into the when they when people break into tte—tott— when they when people break into the—don't bother- the house, they don't bother setttng— the house, they don't bother setttng tne— the house, they don't bother calling the police now because ttey—gotng- calling the police now becausei ttey—gotnglte they know nothing's going to be tone. —e— they know nothing's going to be done._a number,- they know nothing's going to bei done._a number, you done. you just get a number, you tnow— done. you just get a number, you tnow. ant— done. you just get a number, you tnow. ant you— done. you just get a number, you know, and you _we - done. you just get a number, you

know, and you we had know, and you know, we had someone-into- know, and you know, we had someone-into our- know, and you know, we had someone into our house and someone break into our house and notntng— someone break into our house and notntng-tnow— someone break into our house and nothing, know, smashed the nothing, you know, smashed the wtntow. — window. nothing happened. so, you—a— window. nothing happened. so, you—e goot- window. nothing happened. so, you—a good idea?| you know, is this a good idea? wow— you know, is this a good idea? now to— you know, is this a good idea? wow to-ttntt- you know, is this a good idea? now to-limit the- you know, is this a good idea? now to limit the amount now to sort of limit the amount of investigation?— now to sort of limit the amount of investigation? . gi" -5 of investigation? it's a genius ttee— of investigation? it's a genius idea. not have to hold the idea. so to not have to hold the police to account, to do their job they're going job because they're just going to the so soon, to lessen the quality so soon, it'll only if they stole it'll be only if they stole diamonds. is a house. yes that's a technically a burglary. and then they're wearing a then also, if they're wearing a stripy yes. then stripy shirt. yes. then technically only technically that's the only thing. that's technically that's the only thing . that's when i was in new thing. that's when i was in new tott— thing. that's when i was in new tort tesentty— thing. that's when i was in new york recently. that's— t; that's when i was in new york recently. that's not a toest— york recently. that's not a toest. t— york recently. that's not a boast. i was— york recently. that's not a boast. i was there and i went tnto— boast. i was there and i went tnto e— boast. i was there and i went tnto e snot— boast. i was there and i went into a shop-buy- boast. i was there and i went into a shop buy some shampoo, into a shop to buy some shampoo, wntsn— into a shop to buy some shampoo, wntsn-notnet— into a shop to buy some shampoo, which-normal-you- which is a normal item, you woutt— which is a normal item, you woutt neve— which is a normal item, you would have-and. which is a normal item, you would have and it which is a normal item, you- would have-and it was would have thought, and it was tentnt— would have thought, and it was tentnt e— would have thought, and it was behind a glass— would have thought, and it was behind a glass screen. and then i behind a glass screen. and then t suttenty— behind a glass screen. and then i suddenly realised everything unten— i suddenly realised everything enter—ato- i suddenly realised everything under_ £10 was. under the value of £10 was tentnt— under the value of £10 was behind-screen. - behind a glass screen. and i tount— behind a glass screen. and i tount out— behind a glass screen. and i found out later— behind a glass screen. and i found out later that it's teseuse— found out later that it's because in— found out later that it's because in new york they passed a because in new york they passed e tew— because in new york they passed e tew-untess— because in new york they passed a law-unless the— because in new york they passed a law unless the value of a law that unless the value of tne— a law that unless the value of tte-ts— a law that unless the value of tte-ts ove- a law that unless the value of the is over $1,000, it the burglary is over $1,000, it toesn-t— the burglary is over $1,000, it toesn-t-es— the burglary is over $1,000, it toesn-t-es e— the burglary is over $1,000, it doesn't as a crime. and so doesn't count as a crime. and so ent—ttet- doesn't count as a crime. and so ent—ttet ts- and the reason for that is teseuse— and the reason for that is because-many- and the reason for that is because many looters were because so many looters were tust— because so many looters were just gotng— because so many looters were just gotng tn— because so many looters were just going in with— because so many looters were just going in with shopping testets— just going in with shopping baskets, taking out. baskets, taking stuff out. and so—totnt- baskets, taking stuff out. and so—totnt ot- baskets, taking stuff out. and so_point ofllaw?j so what's the point of a law? wtet-s— so what's the point of a law? wtet-s tne— so what's the point of a law? what's the point— so what's the point of a law? what's the point law? �*ftt�*ti.. what's the point of law? well, the what's the point of law? well, tte-ot— what's the point of law? well, tte-ot-ts— what's the point of law? well, tte-ot-ts so- what's the point of law? well, the-of-is so that- what's the point of law? well, the-of-is so that if. the point of law is so that if you break it, there are consequences, right? so what they're the

they're doing is lessening the law, so we're law, aren't they? so we're obviously in the wrong job. obviously all in the wrong job. perhaps we should into perhaps we should look into burglary, has become burglary, which has become thieves. yeah, sounds you'd thieves. yeah, that sounds you'd mete—to- thieves. yeah, that sounds you'd mete—to you| make a very good thief. do you tntnt— make a very good thief. do you tttntlto— make a very good thief. do you thinkldo, yeah.— make a very good thief. do you thinkldo, yeah. i— make a very good thief. do you think do, yeah. i think it's think i do, yeah. i think it's a ttustwonny— think i do, yeah. i think it's a trustworthy face.— think i do, yeah. i think it's a trustworthy face. exactly. ttet-s— trustworthy face. exactly. ttet-stns— trustworthy face. exactly. that's the thing. and an evil teugn— that's the thing. and an evil teugnlwett — that's the thing. and an evil laugh-well. yeah- that's the thing. and an evil laugh well. yeah they never laugh as well. yeah they never tnow— laugh as well. yeah they never tnowwet-e— laugh as well. yeah they never know.-we're going- laugh as well. yeah they never know. we're going move laugh as well. yeah they never kntto we're going move laugh as well. yeah they never kntto another'e're going move laugh as well. yeah they never kntto another question.| move laugh as well. yeah they never kntto another question.| rone on to another question. this one is on to another question. this one ts—wnete-s- on to another question. this one is_where's barry?- is from barry. where's barry? ate— is from barry. where's barry? ate you— is from barry. where's barry? are you neny?— is from barry. where's barry? are you barry? hello? ' ”ti: are you barry? hello? are we set for. are you barry? hello? are we set ton ate— are you barry? hello? are we set ton ate we— are you barry? hello? are we set for. are we set for a biden trump rematch? oh, yeah. this is fun. so week, trump rematch? oh, yeah. this is fun. so-week, biden- trump rematch? oh, yeah. this is fun. so-week, biden as- trump rematch? oh, yeah. this is fun. so .week, biden as we. fun. so this week, biden as we tnew— fun. so this week, biden as we tnew ttet— fun. so this week, biden as we knew that was— fun. so this week, biden as we knew that was going to happen, ne-s— knew that was going to happen, he's-launched- knew that was going to happen, he's-launched his- he's formally launched his sentetgn— he's formally launched his campaign second term. of campaign for a second term. of soutsetutn-tt- campaign for a second term. of course,-trump did- campaign for a second term. of course, trump did that course, donald trump did that etout—sol course, donald trump did that. etout—so we about four years ago. and so we tnow— about four years ago. and so we tnow-tneyte— about four years ago. and so we know .they're both- about four years ago. and so we know they're both running. know that they're both running. tnts— know that they're both running. ttt—vu— know that they're both running. tnts—vu. tt-s- this is it's deja vu. it's happening— this is it's deja vu. it's happening over again. but happening all over again. but ettenentty— happening all over again. but ettenentty e— happening all over again. but ettenentty e tot— happening all over again. but apparently a lot of people are tostng— apparently a lot of people are losing-america. . losing interest in america. ttey-te— losing interest in america. tneyte-t- losing interest in america. they're-i think. losing interest in america.| they're-i think it's losing interest in america.- they're-i think it's only they're bored. i think it's only 6, 6% of americans want to see a rematch between and you rematch between the two. and you know, biden's old. know, biden's 80 years old. trump it's two people. trump is 76. it's two people. you know, i don't want to be ageist or anything, although is it the guardian? i read an article said two white men against each other. it's just like, look, that's assuming that biden makes it, because if he

doesn't, then we'll have a woman of colour. that's a very negettve— of colour. that's a very negative view. - i . that's a very negative view. . of colour. that's a very- negative view. but it is true, isn't it? i mean,— negative view. but it is true, isn't it? i mean, he's- negative view. . . .7’ i mean, he's 80 years isn't it? i mean, he's 80 years old— isn't it? i mean, he's 80 years gg, you— isn't it? i mean, he's 80 years ott. you tnow— . .7’ i mean, he's 80 years old, you know, anything could happen-— old, you know, anything could netten. tnents— old, you know, anything could happen. thanks for that note. anytttng— happen. thanks for that note. anytttng stutt— happen. thanks for that note. anything could happen- happen. thanks for that note. anything could happen to- happen. thanks for that note. anything could happen to any of us. but you know, but there is something i mean, americans like their statesman, don't their elderly statesman, don't they? they them more. but they? they trust them more. but this they? they trust them more. but tnts—toes- they? they trust them more. but this—does seem. this is you know, it does seem ttzene— this is you know, it does seem ttzenelne— this is you know, it does seem bizarre-me that— this is you know, it does seem bizarre me that the bizarre to me that the republicans- bizarre to me that the republicans don't get ron tesentts— republicans don't get ron desantis, because you put ron desantis, because if you put ron tesentts— desantis, because if you put ron desantis_biden,| desantis against against biden, tnen—neen- then that's that's i mean, it's a then that's that's i mean, it's e no sontest— then that's that's i mean, it's a no contest-isn't- then that's that's i mean, it's a no contest isn't it? a no contest then, isn't it? teen. — a no contest then, isn't it? teen. t— a no contest then, isn't it? yeah. i mean,- a no contest then, isn't it? yeah. i mean, at- a no contest then, isn't it? yeah. a no contest then, isn't it?- yeah. i mean, at the moment, from most polls, it seems like biden if he was against biden is if he was against trump, win. yes. and trump, he would win. yes. and even though but he's against even though but if he's against desantis, can actually see. desantis, who can actually see. absolutely. a absolutely. yeah. someone a bit of yeah. someone with of vitality. yeah. someone with a of vitality. yeah. someone with e—ttten— of vitality. yeah. someone with a_biden doesn't. a pulse which biden doesn't neve. — a pulse which biden doesn't neve. tut— a pulse which biden doesn't have. but then— a pulse which biden doesn't have. but then but- a pulse which biden doesn't have. 5... have. but then but but still, the republican is the republican party is terrified of trump. i don't understand it. he keeps well ttet-s— understand it. he keeps well tnet-s tneyte — understand it. he keeps well that's they're-self- understand it. he keeps well that's they're-self selfi that's they're doing self self tenege— that's they're doing self self tenege. t— that's they're doing self self damage. i would have liked to that's they're doing self self daméseen would have liked to that's they're doing self self daméseen aould have liked to that's they're doing self self daméseen a hillary ve liked to that's they're doing self self daméseen a hillary trumpd to have seen a hillary trump tenetst— have seen a hillary trump rematch. that— have seen a hillary trump rematch. that would have been gutte—tnetl rematch. that would have been quiteihave_that. rematch. that would have been quite have been that rematch. that would have been quite have been more that rematch. that would have been quite have been more fun,tt would have been more fun, wouttn-t— would have been more fun, wouldn't it?— would have been more fun, wouldn't it? it— would have been more fun, wouldn't it? it would be fun to wetst— wouldn't it? it would be fun to wetst-tut— wouldn't it? it would be fun to wetst-tut t— wouldn't it? it would be fun to watch. but i mean, just watch. yeah. but i mean, it just stntes— watch. yeah. but i mean, it just stntes ne— watch. yeah. but i mean, it just stntes ne es— watch. yeah. but i mean, it just strikes me as hopeless. you tnow— strikes me as hopeless. you tnowlton-t— strikes me as hopeless. you know, don't know why strikes me as hopeless. you know,idon't know why is know, i don't know why biden is

even—t— know, i don't know why biden is even—t suttosel even running again, i suppose teseuse— even running again, i suppose because-so well- even running again, i suppose because so well in the because he did so well in the ntttetns— because he did so well in the ntttetns es— because he did so well in the midterms as well. /tit.. because he did so well in the midterms as well. v/tit- midterms as well. you know, he did the midterms. he's did well in the midterms. he's obviously he's run for obviously he's he's run for president times. in president four times. he's in there now. he doesn't want to give up and maybe believe it or not, him thinks that he not, part of him thinks that he could good. but come on. i could do good. but come on. i ne— could do good. but come on. i mean, he was-ireland- i: titit 3: but come on. i mean, he was ireland the mean, he was in ireland the otter— mean, he was in ireland the otnet weet— mean, he was in ireland the other week and _ mean, he was in ireland the other week and he mixed up the all other week and he mixed up the ett—tne— other week and he mixed up the ett—tne ttest- other week and he mixed up the all—the black and. all blacks with the black and tens.— all blacks with the black and tens-gutte— all blacks with the black andi tans. - quite - know, tans. that's quite a you know, tnts— tans. that's quite a you know, tnts ts— tans. that's quite a you know, tnts ts not— tans. that's quite a you know, this is not someone started tettng— this is not someone started tettng ntn — this is not someone started taking him off— this is not someone started taking him off now, is he? ttuwt— taking him off now, is he? trump practically- taking him off now, is he? trump practically doing a sort of minutes. yeah. yeah. of stand up minutes. yeah. yeah. he's just going to be he's oh, it's just going to be a ridiculous election, isn't it? oh, god. oh. well, anyway, let's move on .another_ oh, god. oh. well, anyway, let's move on another question. move on to another question. tnts—wnetei move on to another question.| tnts—wnete ts this one's from pete. where is tetet — this one's from pete. where is tetet nt— this one's from pete. where is pete? hi, andrew.— this one's from pete. where is pete? ' t: this one's from pete. where is pete? : pete? hi, andrew. hello. well, the week become the five day working week become a of the past. yeah, i'm a thing of the past. yeah, i'm quite interested— a thing of the past. yeah, i'm quite interested in— a thing of the past. yeah, i'm quite interested in this- t; yeah, i'm quite interested in this because just quite interested in this because just-give— quite interested in this because just-give you— quite interested in this because just give you background just to give you some background to—ts— just to give you some background to—ts soutn- to this. so this is south cambridgeshire council and tneyte— cambridgeshire council and they're thinking to expect tneyte— they're thinking to expect they're _extend l they're going to extend their ttet— they're going to extend their tttet—tey- they're going to extend their trial day working trial on the four day working weet— trial on the four day working week—monthsl trial on the four day working- week_months after week for another 12 months after ttey-ve— week for another 12 months after tney-ve-tney- week for another 12 months after they've _they call- week for another 12 months after they've they call an they've had what they call an overwhelmingly— they've had what they call an overwhelmingly positive response. was this was response. this was a this was ttet— response. this was a this was tnet out.— response. this was a this was tried out,.the_ response. this was a this was tried out, the way. i saw tried out, by the way. i saw a stuty— tried out, by the way. i saw a stuty ttet— tried out, by the way. i saw a study that-tried- tried out, by the way. i saw a study that tried out similar study that was tried out similar to tnts— study that was tried out similar to tnts tn— study that was tried out similar to this in australia in a corporation,— to this in australia in a. corporation,-tried corporation, and they tried a

tout— corporation, and they tried a tout-wotttng— corporation, and they tried a four working week and it four day working week and it turns— four day working week and it turns out— four day working week and it turns out the— four day working week and it turns out the employees were tust— turns out the employees were just es— turns out the employees were just as productive— turns out the employees were just as productive within four teys. — just as productive within four teys. .wttn— just as productive within four days. .with-four- days. but with only four days setter— days. but with only four days rather—their. rather than five, and their nentet— rather than five, and their mental—betteri rather than five, and their- mental_better because mental health was better because tneyte— mental health was better because tneyte-tess— mental health was better because tneyte-tess ts— mental health was better because they're-less is this- they're working less is this tust— they're working less is this just e— they're working less is this just e no— they're working less is this just a no brainer? should we all be just a no brainer? should we all te—tout— be just working four days a vest?— be just working four days a week? what— be just working four days a week? what you think? be just working four days a- week? what-you think? i would week? what do you think? i would say week? what do you think? i would sey yes.— week? what do you think? i would sey yes-ttt— week? what do you think? i would sey yes-ttt sttt— week? what do you think? i would say yes, it's still quite say yes, but it's still quite funny, isn't it, that the council have have worked 20% less said, oh, we've less and then said, oh, we've done exactly the same amount of work. just it's work. i mean, it's just it's funny. isn't point so funny. isn't the point that so neny— funny. isn't the point that so neny teotte— funny. isn't the point that so neny teotte tn— "y isn't the point that so many people in work aren't teetty— many people in work aren't teeny-ett- many people in work aren't really-all the- really working all the time? i neen-ttet— really working all the time? i| mean,-that-case mean, isn't that just the case ute— mean, isn't that just the case ttte nost— mean, isn't that just the case like most people, a lot of the tne— like most people, a lot of the ttne tneyte— like most people, a lot of the time they're just— like most people, a lot of the time they're just wasting time. i'm time they're just wasting time. t-nn _two- time they're just wasting time. t-nn _two tey- time they're just wasting time. l i'm _two day week. i'm pushing for a two day week. yeah. yeah well, there's this tnenonene— yeah. yeah well, there's this phenomena of— yeah. yeah well, there's this phenomena of actually phenomena of people actually tettng— phenomena of people actually. tettng—tney-ve phenomena of people actually. tetteg—tney-ve phenomena of people actually. takia].time-they've phenomena of people actually takia] time job they've phenomena of people actually takia] time job because ey've got a full time job because they-ve— got a full time job because they-ve-so— got a full time job because they've - so much - got a full time job because they've so much spare they've got so much spare time. there— they've got so much spare time. there .nationwide - they've got so much spare time. there nationwide as there is a nationwide study as wen— there is a nationwide study as wen-exactly— there is a nationwide study as well-exactly this- there is a nationwide study as well exactly this and well that did exactly this and everything— well that did exactly this and everything came— well that did exactly this and everything came out positive. and— everything came out positive. and-you— everything came out positive. and _you-mentall and yeah, as you say, mental health also it health and whatnot. but also it does save money because they've got lot vacancies got a lot of vacancies that would likely fill up would be more likely to fill up these have permanent would be more likely to fill up theseinstead have permanent would be more likely to fill up theseinstead of have permanent would be more likely to fill up theseinstead of temporary anent staff instead of temporary staff, them. staff, which would save them. they £1 million. so they said like £1 million. so there's lots of different reasons it. i think reasons to do it. i think it's a great— reasons to do it. i think it's a great-also,— reasons to do it. i think it's a great-also, people's- great idea. also, people's quality— great idea. also, people's quality of— great idea. also, people's quality of life— great idea. also, people's quality of life would be so much

better— quality of life would be so much betterlthey— quality of life would be so much betterlthey have— quality of life would be so much better they have three days better if they have three days at better if they have three days. amt—e at home. they're spending more time— time with their family, which in some people's case is a good thing.— some people's case is a good thing—think- some people's case is a good thing—think .- some people's case is a good. thing—think i think thing. you know, i think i think more-that— thing. you know, i think i think morelthat i— thing. you know, i think i think more .that i think- thing. you know, i think i think more that i think is great. more of that i think is great. why— more of that i think is great. why-anyway— more of that i think is great. why anyway we're going to why not.7 anyway we're going to. move—question move on now to another question this— this one is from alan. do we have— this one is from alan. do we have-alan? — this one is from alan. do we have-alan.7 yeah,- this one is from alan. do we have alan.7 “43?“ this one is from alan. do we have alan.7 “123" ”122; have an alan.7 yeah, hi there, andrew. hi, alan. the question is, is the racist country is, is the uk a racist country now.7 so is, is the uk a racist country now? so question comes up now? so this question comes up again—therel again and again because there are—studies,- again and again because there are—studies, but. are all sorts of studies, but there-s— are all sorts of studies, but them-new- are all sorts of studies, but. there's-new-and there's been a new study and this— there's been a new study and this-by— there's been a new study and this-by the— there's been a new study and this-by the policy- there's been a new study and this by the policy institute this is by the policy institute of-couege— this is by the policy institute of-college-that'sl of king's college and that's found—one- of king's college and that's found _one ofi of king's college and that's- found _one of the found that the uk is one of the worm-s— found that the uk is one of the world's—countries. world's least racist countries. the— world's least racist countries.- the—britain the study actually found britain to-bonom. — the study actually found britain to - bottom. _the to be in the bottom. four of the 24 to be in the bottom. four of the 2._asked_ to be in the bottom. four of the 24-asked whether- to be in the bottom. four of the 24 asked whether they 24 countries. asked whether they would—tel would want to live next door to someone .different- would want to live next door to someone different or someone of a different race or next— someone of a different race or next to— someone of a different race or next to immigrants or foreign workers,.because- next to immigrants or foreign workers, because all of interesting because all of the studies— interesting because all of the studies-again- interesting because all of the studies again and studies do point again and again.— studies do point again and- .g...._m..y, again. we've had many, many, many— again. we've had many, many,i many studies of this kind over the yeee. — many studies of this kind over the years. _always. many studies of this kind over the years. always come the years. and they always come beek— the years. and they always come beck-seme— the years. and they always come back same conclusion back with the same conclusion thee— that britain was something we all that britain was something we eu—n-e- that britain was something we eu—n-e ene- all know isn't it? it's one of the—countries. the least racist countries on earth. — the least racist countries on earth. _we-re- the least racist countries on earth. _we're also. the least racist countries on earth. we're also the earth. and yet we're also the country— earth. and yet we're also the country where — earth. and yet we're also the country where we— earth. and yet we're also the country where we self—flagellate and country where we self—flagellate ere—teeter.- country where we self—flagellate and—racist. all- and call ourselves racist. all the— and call ourselves racist. all the tree— and call ourselves racist. all the time about— and call ourselves racist. all the time about everything. i'm not seytng— the time about everything. i'm not saying racism _ the time about everything. i'm not saying racism doesn't exist rere— not saying racism doesn't exist here because— not saying racism doesn't exist here because it— not saying racism doesn't exist here because it clearly does . here because it clearly does. ttet-e— here because it clearly does. ttet-e meetty— here because it clearly does. that's mostly in— here because it clearly does. that's mostly in the labour party. — that's mostly in the labour party. _the- that's mostly in the labour. retry—tree pert party. but you know, the point is that— party. but you know, the point is that we— party. but you know, the point is that we surely— party. but you know, the point is that we surely we should recept— is that we surely we should accept that— is that we surely we should accept that we're actually doing pretty— accept that we're actually doing pretty wett— accept that we're actually doing pretty wett err— accept that we're actually doing

pretty well on global scale. pretty well on a global scale. wret— pretty well on a global scale. what-think?- pretty well on a global scale. what-think? josh- pretty well on a global scale. what think? josh yeah, what do you think? josh yeah, eteetutety. — absolutely. you know, is it also that just other countries are much worse? they're talking that just other countries are much iran,3? they're talking that just other countries are much iran, russia 're talking that just other countries are much iran, russia ,e talking that just other countries are much iran, russia , japan.1g that just other countries are much iran, russia , japan. and about iran, russia, japan. and it's interesting when you move it, you know, there's the human beings. there's a lot of othering about, you know, and that's what people don't . so that's what people don't. so it's interesting where traditionally left wing people can't appreciate that there is racism within the people that they see being maligned . yes. they see being maligned. yes. and ne protected. but actually, those people themselves are very racist. yes, those people themselves are very racist . yes, but why is it, racist. yes, but why is it, though— racist. yes, but why is it, though, when— racist. yes, but why is it, though, when we- 2rt. yes, but why is it, though, when we hear ”ec. yes, but why is it, though, when we hear these eetrvrete— though, when we hear these activists all— though, when we hear these activists all the— though, when we hear these activists all the time saying that— activists all the time saying that tte— activists all the time saying that tte re— activists all the time saying that this is a— activists all the time saying that this is a hellish country andr— that this is a hellish country .nd,.k.ow,_ that this is a hellish country and,-know, it— that this is a hellish country and, know, it just when the and, you know, it just when the state— and, you know, it just when the state-tett— and, you know, it just when the state-tett ue— and, you know, it just when the stats-tell us that- and, you know, it just when the stats-tell us that ,- and, you know, it just when the stats tell us that , they stats don't tell us that, they tett— stats don't tell us that, they tett ue— stats don't tell us that, they tell us something very different,— tell us something very- different,-racism different, that, yes, racism etu— different, that, yes, racism still—shouldl different, that, yes, racism - still—should stand different, that, yes, racism stilagainst should stand different, that, yes, racism stilagainst it should stand different, that, yes, racism stilagainst it and should stand different, that, yes, racism stilagainst it and getould stand different, that, yes, racism stilagainst it and get ridi stand different, that, yes, racism stilagainst it and get rid oftand different, that, yes, racism stilagainst it and get rid of it.d up against it and get rid of it. eut— up against it and get rid of it. but that— up against it and get rid of it. but that actually— up against it and get rid of it. but that actually we are, you knew— but that actually we are, you knew .— but that actually we are, you know , we're a very inclusive know, we're a very inclusive country,— know, we're a very inclusive country, allowing the perfect to be....my_ country, allowing the perfect to be-enemy et— country, allowing the perfect to be-enemy of the - country, allowing the perfect to be enemy of the good, isn't be the enemy of the good, isn't it? be the enemy of the good, isn't it — be the enemy of the good, isn't it? something— be the enemy of the good, isn'ti it? something-that's it? something like that. that's an phrase. thank you an interesting phrase. thank you . yeah. if your utopia is what you think the level should be, then everything else is going to fall isn't it? a fall short. isn't it? that's a very good well, maybe

very good point. well, maybe it's the self—flagellation that's to be least that's got us to be the least racist country because a racist country because it's a hell pas, isn't it? hell of a faux pas, isn't it? i mean, i'm amazed that anybody answered this and said yes. i don't person another don't want a person of another race next i mean, race living next door. i mean, who that? ifind race living next door. i mean, who that? i find it who says that? i find it incredible— $17 i find it incredible because the constant eesters— incredible because the constant accusations-the _ incredible because the constant accusations the country is accusations that the country is institutionally _ accusations that the country is in:bejtionally_ accusations that the country is insbe accused— accusations that the country is insbe accused of— accusations that the country is insbe accused of racism makes to be accused of racism makes yer— to be accused of racism makes yer e— to be accused of racism makes yet a peter— to be accused of racism makes yet a peter .— to be accused of racism makes yet a peter . rt— to be accused of racism makes you a pariah. it means to be accused of racism makes you a pariah . it means you don't you a pariah. it means you don't get wk,— you a pariah. it means you don't get were, wrter— you a pariah. it means you don't get work, which is— you a pariah. it means you don't get work, which is rightly so. rer— get work, which is rightly so. you—pariah- get work, which is rightly so. i you—pariahlyou're you should be a pariah if you're eeerty— you should be a pariah if you're eeerty-rrt— you should be a pariah if you're eeerty-rrt-tr- openly racist. but that in tset— openly racist. but that in ttset serr— openly racist. but that in itself sort of— openly racist. but that in itself sort of puts pay to this ttet— itself sort of puts pay to this ttee ttet— itself sort of puts pay to this idea that we're— itself sort of puts pay to this idea that we're in this racist retrete.— idea that we're in this racist retrete.-r— idea that we're in this racist hellhole.-i saw- idea that we're in this racist hellhole. i saw an hellhole. well, i saw an interesting— hellhole. well, i saw an interesting thing online this treet— interesting thing online this weer—wes- interesting thing online this. week—was talking interesting thing online this week the was talking interesting thing online this week the curve was talking interesting thing online this week the curve of was talking interesting thing online this week the curve of and talking interesting thing online this week the curve of and talkiwere about the curve of and they were tetttre— about the curve of and they were tetttre etert— about the curve of and they were talking about progressive movements— talking about progressive movements terms of anti movements in terms of anti racism or or like— movements in terms of anti racism or or like gay rights , racism or or like gay rights, rew— racism or or like gay rights, rew tt— racism or or like gay rights, rew tt sees— racism or or like gay rights, how it sees itself as going in a starter— how it sees itself as going in a stretert tre— how it sees itself as going in a straight line of— how it sees itself as going in a straight line of progression . straight line of progression. tte— straight line of progression. tte ttet-s— straight line of progression. like that's what— straight line of progression. like that's what you - straight line of progression. like that's what you do. - straight line of progression. like that's what you do. you constantly progress , but you constantly progress, but you reach sort of peak instead. reach this sort of peak instead. draw drew like a hill where draw drew it like a hill where you reach this peak and you get these equal rights. you get this this kind of society that we're striving towards . but because striving towards. but because progressives see the journey as never ending, which is mirroring your point, they keep on going

thinking they're going in a straight line. but actually it starts then starts regressing and then that's seeing. that's what we're seeing. that's interesting that's a really interesting eetrt—yerl that's a really interesting. eetrt—yer get point because then you get eeerte— people like who are anti ertteet— people like who are anti critical. theory a people like who are anti- critical.-theory.a good critical. race theory is a good exempte— critical. race theory is a good example because _ critical. race theory is a good example because when you trreterrert— example because when you. trreterrert—get example because when you- implement_get is implement that, what you get is retgrteret— heightened racial division. what you heightened racial division. what yer—sereetl you get is the american school segregrtrg— you get is the american school| segregating—colour segregating kids by skin colour for segregating kids by skin colour ter eter— segregating kids by skin colour for after school— segregating kids by skin colour for after school activities, wrter— which actually happened in terter— which actually happened in- london,_they're london, by the way. and they're tetrg— london, by the way. and they're tetrg-tre — london, by the way. and they're doing-the name- london, by the way. and they're doing-the name of- london, by the way. and they're doing the name of anti doing that in the name of anti . racism._progressing racism. so they keep progressing so racism. so they keep progressing se-. — racism. so they keep progressing se-. art— racism. so they keep progressing se-. art tre— racism. so they keep progressing so-. and the same- racism. so they keep progressing so-. and the same with. racism. so they keep progressing. so-. and the same with and so much. and the same with and same ideology , how same with gender ideology, how it homophobic. like it then becomes homophobic. like you it gets you have homophobia, it gets sorted, you have homophobia, it gets sortrget marriage, gay marriage , you get marriage, gay marriage, and then suddenly becomes and then suddenly it becomes regressive and regressive again. and now suddenly be suddenly you should be interested in people being interested in people being interested in people with different genitals is well, i mean , we've got, you know, the mean, we've got, you know, the ceo of stonewall comparing lesbians racists lesbians to sexual racists because they don't want to sleep with people with penises. so, yeah, an old yeah, that's like an old homophobic— yeah, that's like an old homophobic trope from in homophobic trope from back in the homophobic trope from back in tte-revert— homophobic trope from back in the-haven't found- homophobic trope from back in the haven't found the the day. you haven't found the rtgrt— the day. you haven't found the rtgrt-yet. — the day. you haven't found the rtgrt-yet. ttet— the day. you haven't found the right yet. that back right guy yet. that goes back terr— right guy yet. that goes back trerr—tretsi from the 70s. yeah. so that's wtet-s— from the 70s. yeah. so that's what's happening. yeah, very geet— what's happening. yeah, very geet-etey— what's happening. yeah, very good -0kavr-90t| good point. okay, we've got eretrer— good point. okay, we've got another—thisl another question now. this is terr— another question now. this is from—jackiel another question now. this isi trerr—reette e from jackie. where is jackie? rete— from jackie. where is jackie? hello, jackie. _ from jackie. where is jackie? hello, jackie. good evening. strutt— hello, jackie. good evening. should statues— hello, jackie. good evening. should statues-family- should statues be family friendly ? oh, yes, i saw this.

friendly? oh, yes, i saw this. i steetet— friendly? oh, yes, i saw this. i was shocked. this.— friendly? oh, yes, i saw this. i was shocked. this. so- 37 oh, yes, i saw this. i was shocked. this. so this statue— was shocked. this. so this state tr— was shocked. this. so this statue in italy,— was shocked. this. so this statue in italy, which was a merge— statue in italy, which was a rrerrrett .— statue in italy, which was a rrerrrett . a— statue in italy, which was a mermaid . a mermaid statue. mermaid. a mermaid statue. tetrtrg— mermaid. a mermaid statue. tetrtrg wrerg— mermaid. a mermaid statue. nothing wrong with that. we all tete— nothing wrong with that. we all love mermaids.— nothing wrong with that. we all love mermaids. do we have an trage— love mermaids. do we have an trrege et— love mermaids. do we have an trrrge et trts— love mermaids. do we have an image of this statue? if we do, tet-s— image of this statue? if we do, tet-s reve— image of this statue? if we do, tet-s rate r— image of this statue? if we do, let's have a look— image of this statue? if we do, let's have a look .— image of this statue? if we do, let's have a look . it's. if let's have a look. it's. if trere— let's have a look. it's. if trere ere— let's have a look. it's. if there are happy to describe it. oh,— there are happy to describe it. or, rere— there are happy to describe it. or, rere we— there are happy to describe it. or, rere we ge— there are happy to describe it. oh, here we go . _ there are happy to describe it. oh, here we go . o" 2“ there are happy to describe it. oh, here we go . o2“ 2“ oh, here we go. oh, i mean, i was going to say, it's not necessarily appropriate, but actually it's in the public square. so is she doesn't look tte— square. so is she doesn't look tte e— square. so is she doesn't look like a mermaid— square. so is she doesn't look like a mermaid from - :”r2; so is she doesn't look like a mermaid from the back, tees— like a mermaid from the back, tees sree — like a mermaid from the back, does she? that's— like a mermaid from the back, does she? how does does she? that's not. how does sre— does she? that's not. how does sre srrtrr— does she? that's not. how does sre e— does she? that's not. how does she swim ? because— does she? how does she swim ? because surely that she swim? because surely that puts— she swim? because surely that puts yer— she swim? because surely that puts yer ett— she swim? because surely that puts you off balance having that ttrt. — puts you off balance having that ttrt. ttet.— puts you off balance having that kind. well, she— puts you off balance having that kind. well, she probably just stays top water. so stays on top of the water. so for those if you're listening on radio, this is a mermaid has radio, this is a mermaid who has enormous breasts and a very large rear end and really , just large rear end and really, just to reiterate the point, a very human rear end. i mean, yeah, i r-rr ret— human rear end. i mean, yeah, i mean, i'm not mocking- human rear end. i mean, yeah, i mean, i'm not mocking it- ”23” r2;2“r: i mean, yeah, i mean, i'm not mocking it or seytrg— mean, i'm not mocking it or srytrg ter— mean, i'm not mocking it or srytrg r-rr ret— mean, i'm not mocking it or saying i'm not fat shaming the merge— saying i'm not fat shaming the rrerrrett art— saying i'm not fat shaming the mermaid and it's— saying i'm not fat shaming the mermaid and it's not a fat rrerrrett— mermaid and it's not a fat rrerrrett . — mermaid and it's not a fat mermaid . it's- mermaid and it's not a fat mermaid . c mermaid. it's just a shapely it's a shapely curvy mermaid. yeah, but put it back up. put tre— yeah, but put it back up. put tte-teet— yeah, but put it back up. put tte-teet-te- yeah, but put it back up. put. the-back-no, you've the image back up. no, you've erergr. — the image back up. no, you've seen enough. it— the image back up. no, you've seen enough. c g“ seen enough. it might be an unattainable if there is unattainable mermaid if there is such a thing. i that is an

such a thing. i think that is an unattainable— such a thing. i think that is an. unattainable—are unattainable mermaid. there are reeete— people who have had surgery to teet— people who have had surgery to reek—teeu look like that, you know? yeah. i look like that, you know? yeah. r tust— look like that, you know? yeah. r twst werert— look like that, you know? yeah. i just wonder about this. what trey-re—ts- i just wonder about this. what they're—is that. they're saying really is thati eweres—r they're saying really is that- eweres—r te even the public statuary has to be-representation- even the public statuary has to be representation and that be about representation and that r-people_ be about representation and that r-people-are- be about representation and thati r-people-are , you know, people who are more ewwy— , you know, people who are more ewwy teet— , you know, people who are more ewwy teet tett— , you know, people who are more curvy feel left-if— , you know, people who are more curvy feel left if they're curvy feel left out if they're ret— curvy feel left out if they're not represented _ curvy feel left out if they're not represented through the meter— not represented through the medium mermaids. most women medium of mermaids. most women are dressed, aren't they? i mean-exactly- are dressed, aren't they? i. mean-exactly. most are dressed, aren't they? i- mean.-exactly . most women mean. right, exactly. most women don't mean. right, exactly. most women ter-t-gtts— mean. right, exactly. most women ter-t-gtts .— mean. right, exactly. most women don't-gills . right?— mean. right, exactly. most women don't-gills . right? so,- don't have gills. right? so, i , r— don't have gills. right? so, i mean , i would— don't have gills. right? so, i mean , i would i— don't have gills. right? so, i mean , i would i would suggest mean, i would i would suggest i , tts— mean, i would i would suggest i mean , it's lovely. _ mean, i would i would suggest i mean , it's lovely. t: 2“ c r:r2r mean, it's lovely. i couldn't do it , but neither would i it, but neither would i commission it. i think it's like you— commission it. i think it's like yew sey,— commission it. i think it's like yew sey, tts— commission it. i think it's like you say, it's about— you say, it's about representation and that's, you say, it's about— representation and that's, you trew— representation and that's, you know, representing the very fit rrerrretts— know, representing the very fit mermaids out— know, representing the very fit mermaids out there . mermaids out there. is that to your— mermaids out there. is that to your teste— mermaids out there. is that to your taste then, josh? is that , your taste then, josh? is that, your taste then, josh? is that, you know, that's your kind of thing. but the tail, everything . orgy,— thing. but the tail, everything . etey se— thing. but the tail, everything . etey, se rest— thing. but the tail, everything . okay, so josh is— “g but the tail, everything . okay, so josh is fantasy woman is . okay, so josh is fantasy woman ts e— . okay, so josh is fantasy woman is a dismembered— . okay, so josh is fantasy woman is a dismembered mermaid. . okay, so josh is fantasy woman is a dismembered mermaid . / is a dismembered mermaid. yeah. is is a dismembered mermaid. yeah. rs ttet— is a dismembered mermaid. yeah. rs ttet wret— is a dismembered mermaid. yeah. is that what you're— is a dismembered mermaid. yeah. is that what you're saying? is it beautiful anyway, as a piece of it beautiful anyway, as a piece et erte— it beautiful anyway, as a piece et are no,— it beautiful anyway, as a piece et are no, tt-s— it beautiful anyway, as a piece of art? no, it's not— it beautiful anyway, as a piece of art? no, it's not a beautiful eteee— of art? no, it's not a beautiful eteeelert. — of art? no, it's not a beautiful eteeelert. n..— of art? no, it's not a beautiful piece-art. no, that- of art? no, it's not a beautiful piece-art. no, that it- of art? no, it's not a beautiful piece art. \r2r c piece of art. no, that it is. no, it's a bit gaudy. it's no, it's just a bit gaudy. it's more seaside art. i more like seaside art. well, i suppose. it's like suppose. yeah, it is. it's like gaudy, saucy postcards gaudy, fun, saucy postcards carry on style. i suppose it is . yeah. i think that's what it is. that mermaid inn. is. that famous mermaid inn. where copenhagen.

is. that famous mermaid inn. where is copenhagen. is. that famous mermaid inn. where is the copenhagen. is. that famous mermaid inn. where is the much enhagen. is. that famous mermaid inn. where is the much moreien. is. that famous mermaid inn. where is the much more famous which is the much more famous statue and she statue of a mermaid. and she hasn't. not putting it hasn't. she's not putting it about , you know what i hasn't. she's not putting it about, you know what i mean? she's more. a she's a bit more. she's a bit more that one. that's more modest, that one. that's copenhagen you. there copenhagen for you. well, there we blaming. no i'm we go. victim blaming. no i'm not like my not victim blaming. i like my mermaids right that's mermaids anyway. right that's enough of that chat. after. after the break on free speech nation, we've got an exclusive interview with scott nugent , a interview with scott nugent, a transgender man has suffered transgender man who has suffered several near—death experiences since transitioning , meaning six since transitioning, meaning six years scott tells his story years ago. scott tells his story

listening to gb news radio . listening to gb news radio. welcome back to free speech nation. scott nugent was a sweeesstwt— \r scott nugent was a successful business sales eeewte— successful business sales executive named kelly king, a top executive named kelly king, a tee eerterrrer— executive named kelly king, a top performer who earned various ewerts— top performer who earned various ewerts ert— top performer who earned various awards and recognition. however, at awards and recognition. however, et tre— awards and recognition. however, et tre ege— awards and recognition. however, et tre ege et— awards and recognition. however, et tre ege et re,— awards and recognition. however, at the age of 42, scott made the ttttettt— at the age of 42, scott made the difficult decision— at the age of 42, scott made the difficult decision to _ at the age of 42, scott made the

difficult decision to transition . trts— difficult decision to transition . trts eerert— difficult decision to transition . this parent of— difficult decision to transition . this parent of three suffered numerous medical complications and numerous medical complications ert reer—teetr— numerous medical complications and near—death experiences ttrtrg— and near—death experiences ttrtrg tre— and near—death experiences during the process and is now tstrg— during the process and is now tstrg tre— during the process and is now using the horrific— during the process and is now using the horrific experience to et— using the horrific experience to et tre — using the horrific experience to warn of the dangers to parents wre— warn of the dangers to parents wre ee— warn of the dangers to parents who are considering their kids for transition— who are considering their kids for transition .— who are considering their kids for transition . so— who are considering their kids for transition . so scott joins for transition. so scott joins tre— for transition. so scott joins ere rtgrt— for transition. so scott joins ere rtgrt re— for transition. so scott joins ere rtgrt .— for transition. so scott joins me right now . welcome. thanks me right now. welcome. thanks for me right now. welcome. thanks ter eerrtrg— me right now. welcome. thanks for coming. thank— me right now. welcome. thanks for coming. thank you for having st.— for coming. thank you for having se. seet— for coming. thank you for having se. seeet .— for coming. thank you for having me. so, scott , for— for coming. thank you for having me. t me. so, scott, for people who don't know your background, don't know your background, don't know your story, could you just tell briefly what just tell us briefly what happened ? god, everybody says happened? god, everybody says it's happened? god, everybody says tt-s tte— happened? god, everybody says tt-s tte e— happened? god, everybody says it's like a whole— happened? god, everybody says it's like a whole it's— 37 god, everybody says it's like a whole it's like a deve— it's like a whole it's like a day, _converse - it's like a whole it's like a day,-converse it. it's like a whole it's like a- day,-converse it down. day, but i'll converse it down. at re,— day, but i'll converse it down. at .2, r— day, but i'll converse it down. at .2, r es— day, but i'll converse it down. at 42, i was in— day, but i'll converse it down. at 42, i was in a— day, but i'll converse it down. at 42, i was in a vulnerable eteee— at 42, i was in a vulnerable rteeelwes— at 42, i was in a vulnerable place. was marriage with place. i was in a marriage with a woman who hated being a tester,— a woman who hated being a lesbian, didn't— a woman who hated being a lesbian, didn't think she was. it lesbian, didn't think she was. rt-rre,— lesbian, didn't think she was. rt-rre, mete- lesbian, didn't think she was. it-me, male born- lesbian, didn't think she was. it me, male born in a it was all me, male born in a terrete-s— it was all me, male born in a female's body,— it was all me, male born in a female's body, kind of in a vulnerable— female's body, kind of in a vulnerable watching vulnerable place. watching jazz rerrtrgs— vulnerable place. watching jazz rerrtrgs .— vulnerable place. watching jazz rerrrrgs , ett— vulnerable place. watching jazz jennings , all kind jennings, all that kind of stttt. — jennings, all that kind of stttt. .yet- jennings, all that kind of stuff. you know, jennings, all that kind of stuff. -you know, of stuff. and, you know, kind of teetet—et- stuff. and, you know, kind of looked _ at the - stuff. and, you know, kind ofi looked—at the time looked at my wife at the time ert—ter- looked at my wife at the timei ert—tr terr looked at my wife at the time. and—i'm born in and said, hey, maybe i'm born in the and said, hey, maybe i'm born in tte—week- and said, hey, maybe i'm born in the—week later,- the wrong body. a week later, i wes-tert— the wrong body. a week later, i was-front-trans- was in in front of a trans trereetst— was in in front of a trans therapist activist trans therapist, an activist trans ttereetst— therapist, an activist trans therapist,-at- therapist, an activist trans therapist, at and she therapist, i guess at and she sett— therapist, i guess at and she set, rew— therapist, i guess at and she said, how long— therapist, i guess at and she said, how long have you been tresstrg— said, how long have you been tresstrg-rrer- said, how long have you been dressing man now? dressing like a man now? i tttr-t— dressing like a man now? i tttr-t-tte— dressing like a man now? i didn't-like a- dressing like a man now? i- didn't-like a-mean, didn't dress like a man. i mean, i didn't dress like a man. i mean, res— didn't dress like a man. i mean, rweslttstress— didn't dress like a man. i mean, i was business executive i was a business sales executive . but that that sentence etsetttety— . but that that sentence absolutely shattered me from a 42 absolutely shattered me from a er yeer— absolutely shattered me from a er yeer ett— absolutely shattered me from a 42 year old successful business setes— 42 year old successful business sales executive _ 42 year old successful business sales executive to, _ 42 year old successful business sales executive to, you know,

etttrg— sales executive to, you know, etttrg-rrer-s— sales executive to, you know, cutting man's head off in cutting any man's head off in a teertreerr— cutting any man's head off in a teertreerr te— cutting any man's head off in a boardroom to ,_ cutting any man's head off in a boardroom to , oh,— cutting any man's head off in a boardroom to , oh, my god, i'm a boardroom to, oh, my god, i'm a tetet— boardroom to, oh, my god, i'm a tetet ttet.— boardroom to, oh, my god, i'm a total idiot. so— boardroom to, oh, my god, i'm a total idiot. so was— boardroom to, oh, my god, i'm a total idiot. so was it— boardroom to, oh, my god, i'm a total idiot. so was it the case ttet— total idiot. so was it the case we r— total idiot. so was it the case we r e— total idiot. so was it the case that i mean, a— total idiot. so was it the case that i mean, a lot— total idiot. so was it the case that i mean, a lot of people reve— that i mean, a lot of people have testified— that i mean, a lot of people have testified said that have testified and said that wrer— have testified and said that wrer-te— have testified and said thati when _to _trans when they go to these trans trereetsts— when they go to these trans therapists-are - when they go to these trans therapists are just therapists that they are just ettrrrtrg— therapists that they are just affirming and— therapists that they are just affirming and yes, you affirming and saying, yes, you are affirming and saying, yes, you tr— affirming and saying, yes, you tr tre— affirming and saying, yes, you are in the wrong— affirming and saying, yes, you are in the wrong body or serretrtrg— are in the wrong body or something like that. is that was ttet— something like that. is that was that experience? it that your experience? was it just absolutely. it just affirmation? absolutely. it was affirmation. was absolutely affirmation. affirmation. and that's why it reeks— affirmation. and that's why it reeks-ere- affirmation. and that's why it looks-are so- affirmation. and that's why it. looks-are so popular. affirmation. and that's why it lookstella are so popular. affirmation. and that's why it lookstella o'malley so popular. affirmation. and that's why it lookstella o'malley and opular. and stella o'malley and jen speck_ and stella o'malley and jen steer—ert- and stella o'malley and jen speck—and all. and stella o'malley and jen. speck—and all those speck and sasha and all those eeeete— speck and sasha and all those people, because— speck and sasha and all those people, because they are tgrtrg— people, because they are fighting back— people, because they are fighting back against the retry— fighting back against the reality actually helping reality of actually helping reerte— reality of actually helping eeerte. res.— reality of actually helping people. yes. that that are in wttrerette— people. yes. that that are in vulnerable places. and here's the vulnerable places. and here's tre tttrg— vulnerable places. and here's the thing. there— vulnerable places. and here's the thing. there are some people ttet— the thing. there are some people we rretteety— the thing. there are some people that medically transition and do wett— that medically transition and do wettlttte— that medically transition and do walkllittle.later- that medically transition and do walkllittle.later in- that medically transition and do walk little later in life, walk a little bit later in life, ttt— walk a little bit later in life, ttt ret— walk a little bit later in life, ttt ret very— walk a little bit later in life, but not very many , number one. but not very many, number one. wtrrter— but not very many, number one. turret-rts— but not very many, number one. number-it's no— but not very many, number one. number it's no different number two, it's no different trer— number two, it's no different trerlret— number two, it's no different thanihad twins— number two, it's no different than had twins and didn't like than i had twins and didn't like my than i had twins and didn't like ery—ret- than i had twins and didn't like ery—ret e- than i had twins and didn't like ery—ret e ttrrrryi than i had twins and didn't like- my_had a tummy tuck my stomach and had a tummy tuck and my stomach and had a tummy tuck ert tt— my stomach and had a tummy tuck ert t r— my stomach and had a tummy tuck ert t r wett— my stomach and had a tummy tuck and if i would have— my stomach and had a tummy tuck and if i would have thought that trer— and if i would have thought that ttet-getrg— and if i would have thought that ttet-getrg te— and if i would have thought that that-going to save- and if i would have thought that that going to save my life that was going to save my life at that was going to save my life et—wes- that was going to save my life et—wes terei that was going to save my lifei at_was done, it at the end when it was done, it wett— at the end when it was done, it wettt reve— at the end when it was done, it would have been— at the end when it was done, it would have been devastating. it's would have been devastating. rts-surgery- would have been devastating.l rt-s-strgery-yee it's cosmetic surgery. did you teet— it's cosmetic surgery. did you feel, undertaking feel, though, that undertaking this would any this surgery would resolve any problems in your life? absolutely you know, here's the trtrg. — absolutely you know, here's the trtrg. art— absolutely you know, here's the trtrg. art we— absolutely you know, here's the thing. and we don't— ' cr2;c«r you know, here's the thing. and we don't talk about stutt— thing. and we don't talk about sterl— thing. and we don't talk about stuff,-i don't— thing. and we don't talk abouti stuff,-i don't—we stuff, and i don't know why. we tert—

stuff, and i don't know why. we ter-t tett— stuff, and i don't know why. we don't talk about— stuff, and i don't know why. we don't talk about stuff because were—erte- we're butchering an entire gerereter— we're butchering an entire gererettsr— we're butchering an entire generatis going , yeah, yeah. society is going, yeah, yeah. they— society is going, yeah, yeah. trey reve— society is going, yeah, yeah. they have-clue- society is going, yeah, yeah. they have-clue .- society is going, yeah, yeah. they have clue . so, yes, they have no clue. so, yes, i tretgrt— they have no clue. so, yes, i tretgrt tt— they have no clue. so, yes, i thought it was— they have no clue. so, yes, i thought it was going to fix me. art— thought it was going to fix me. art retes— thought it was going to fix me. and here's the _ thought it was going to fix me. and here's the problem and tees— and here's the problem and rere-s-tre- and here's the problem and here's the people and here's the problem and here medically the people and here's the problem and here medically transition ple and here's the problem and here medically transition have that medically transition have you— that medically transition have yet trew— that medically transition have you know, similarities. same sex ettreetet— you know, similarities. same sex ettreetet. se— you know, similarities. same sex attracted. so we're— you know, similarities. same sex attracted. so we're you know conversion therapy reversed . conversion therapy reversed. wtrrter— conversion therapy reversed. wtrrtertwe,— conversion therapy reversed. number two, they're autistic . number two, they're autistic. wtrrter— number two, they're autistic. number three, _ number two, they're autistic. number three, they're mentally gtttet— number three, they're mentally gtttet .— number three, they're mentally gtttet . art— number three, they're mentally gifted . and number four, they're gifted. and number four, they're rrertety— gifted. and number four, they're rrertety tt— gifted. and number four, they're rrertety tt .— gifted. and number four, they're mentally ill . they— gifted. and number four, they're mentally ill . they are people mentally ill. they are people trer— mentally ill. they are people we reve— mentally ill. they are people that have been— mentally ill. they are people that have been through trauma. so that have been through trauma. se et— that have been through trauma. se et trese— that have been through trauma. so all these people that don't fit so all these people that don't ttt tr— so all these people that don't ttt tr et— so all these people that don't ttt tr et e— so all these people that don't fit in at a time,— so all these people that don't fit in at a time, at— so all these people that don't fit in at a time, at 11 or 12 yeers— fit in at a time, at 11 or 12 yeers ett— fit in at a time, at 11 or 12 years old when- fit in at a time, at 11 or 12 years old when we would cut off our years old when we would cut off te tt— years old when we would cut off our arm to fit in,— years old when we would cut off our arm to fit in, i— years old when we would cut off our arm to fit in, i mean, it got— our arm to fit in, i mean, it get me— our arm to fit in, i mean, it get ere et— our arm to fit in, i mean, it get ere et aa— our arm to fit in, i mean, it got me at 42. we're telling trese— got me at 42. we're telling trese ttts— got me at 42. we're telling these kids that,— got me at 42. we're telling these kids that, know what, these kids that, you know what, you—a— these kids that, you know what, you—a superpower. these kids that, you know what, you a superpower of you don't have a superpower of tetrg— being different about being gtttet—yetttl gifted. you know, you'll be a ete— gifted. you know, you'll be a ere et— gifted. you know, you'll be a ere etittt— gifted. you know, you'll be a ceo at-but you- gifted. you know, you'll be a ceo at but you know, you're ceo at 25, but you know, you're tttterert. — ceo at 25, but you know, you're tttterert. se— ceo at 25, but you know, you're different. so let's— ceo at 25, but you know, you're different. so let's medically trerstter— different. so let's medically- transition—get transition you and then you get to transition you and then you get te-ereeess— transition you and then you get te-ereeess ert— transition you and then you get to-process and you- transition you and then you get to process and you get to the process and you get trretgr— to the process and you get trretgr-yet- to the process and you get through you realise, well through it and you realise, well trer— through it and you realise, well we tttr-t— through it and you realise, well that didn't fix— through it and you realise, well that didn't fix the— through it and you realise, well that didn't fix the thing. on top— that didn't fix the thing. on tee—tr- that didn't fix the thing. 0n| tee—tr seetety top of people like in society ert— top of people like in society ert-et— top of people like in society and-all-kindl and you and all that kind of sttt— and you and all that kind of stttt-ret— and you and all that kind of stuff-not-the- and you and all that kind of stuff not the truth stuff are not saying the truth teese— stuff are not saying the truth. teeese—et because everybody doesn't want to because everybody doesn't want te—teetrgs- because everybody doesn't want to _feelings that i to hurt a man's feelings that res— to hurt a man's feelings that res-tetsr- to hurt a man's feelings that has-fetish of- to hurt a man's feelings that has fetish of being has a sexual fetish of being eerstteret— has a sexual fetish of being considered a— has a sexual fetish of being considered a woman and wants, yet— considered a woman and wants, yet trew—

considered a woman and wants, yet trew, gerter— considered a woman and wants, you know, gender pronouns. but people— you know, gender pronouns. but some people would— you know, gender pronouns. but some people would see- you know, gender pronouns. but some people would see you and see a and say, well, that's see a man and say, well, that's a but you saying it's a man, but are you saying it's not possible change sex? no, not possible to change sex? no, god, no . biologically god, no. it's biologically impossible— god, no. it's biologically impossible for- god, no. it's biologically impossible for one sex to become eretrer. — impossible for one sex to become another. what's— impossible for one sex to become another. what's not— impossible for one sex to become another. what's not impossible is cross—sex hormones, is to take cross—sex hormones, to is to take cross—sex hormones, te te— is to take cross—sex hormones, te te eesrrete— is to take cross—sex hormones, to do cosmetic surgery, to erreer— to do cosmetic surgery, to eeeeer tte— to do cosmetic surgery, to appear like opposite sex for appear like the opposite sex for eerrtert— appear like the opposite sex for eerrtert. ret— appear like the opposite sex for comfort. you know— appear like the opposite sex for comfort. you know what? we tesewe — comfort. you know what? we tesewe et— comfort. you know what? we deserve all the— comfort. you know what? we deserve all the respect and ttgrtty—rttl deserve all the respect and. dignity—but what dignity for doing so. but what we—te— dignity for doing so. but what we—te te- dignity for doing so. but what we—te te ts- dignity for doing so. but whati we_to do is-on we don't need to do is step on erttrer-s— we don't need to do is step on children's—ensure. we don't need to do is step on. children's—ensure that children's heads and ensure that retes— children's heads and ensure that rretes wttr— children's heads and ensure that males with these— children's heads and ensure that males with these fetishes keep trer— males with these fetishes keep their erections— males with these fetishes keep their erections is— males with these fetishes keep their erections is so that trey-re— their erections is so that trey-re etey— their erections is so that they're okay in life. 2“ they're okay in life. this is a retry— they're okay in life. this is a really important point in a liberal society, surely everyone should be able to do whatever they want with their own body and about and make decisions about themselves and make decisions about themsel\arnie but you've spent identity. arnie but you've spent a talking a lot of time talking about children, is children, and that is a different situation, isn't it? because children can't consent to this kind of thing, can they? they cannot consent to these tttrgs— they cannot consent to these trtrgs. art— they cannot consent to these things. and until— they cannot consent to these things. and until the truth is tett— things. and until the truth is tett etett— things. and until the truth is told about medical transition , told about medical transition, ertr— told about medical transition, until—there's- told about medical transition, until—there's not until it's told that there's not r2— until it's told that there's not now 12 complications of medical trerstter — now 12 complications of medical transition, they— now 12 complications of medical transition, they just increased it transition, they just increased tt te — transition, they just increased tt te 25— transition, they just increased it to 25 because— transition, they just increased it to 25 because they just eettety— it to 25 because they just actually turned over another sttty. — actually turned over another sttty. at— actually turned over another study. all seven— actually turned over another study. all seven studies that sett— study. all seven studies that sett tt— study. all seven studies that sett tt es—

study. all seven studies that said it was beneficial have been retreetet— said it was beneficial have been retracted-modified- said it was beneficial have been retracted modified with oops retracted or modified with oops r-help_ retracted or modified with oops r-help erytrtrg- retracted or modified with oops , help anything sorry or , doesn't help anything sorry or not , doesn't help anything sorry or ret eretgr— , doesn't help anything sorry or not enough time.— , doesn't help anything sorry or not enough time. the latest one wert— not enough time. the latest one wert trerr — not enough time. the latest one wert trerr r2— not enough time. the latest one went from 12 complications to 26 eerreteeters— went from 12 complications to 26 complications. and— went from 12 complications to 26 complications. and inside that stuty— complications. and inside that sttty trere— complications. and inside that study there were _ complications. and inside that study there were two kids that eerrrrtttet— study there were two kids that committed suicide that were tetrg— committed suicide that were being medically transitioned, trer— being medically transitioned, that. suppressed - being medically transitioned, that suppressed you being medically transitioned, that-suppressediyou to that was suppressed. you need to know— that was suppressed. you need to know-sorry— that was suppressed. you need to know-sorry . — that was suppressed. you need to know-sorry . are- that was suppressed. you need to know-sorry . are you. know that. so sorry. are you saying— know that. so sorry. are you saying that the studies are saying that the studies that are available transitioning saying that the studies that are av children transitioning saying that the studies that are av children and transitioning saying that the studies that are av children and there 1sitioning saying that the studies that are av children and there can't1ing saying that the studies that are av children and there can't be] of children and there can't be many because hasn't many because it hasn't been going for on that long, that they're all back and they're all coming back and saying, that is helping evidence that this is helping matter? yes well, you can't be much clear. yes and that's not transphobic for that. but we have queer theory- t but we have queer theory right here. right— have queer theory right here. right gay,— have queer theory right here. right gay, not— have queer theory right here. right gay, not queer. thank you very— right gay, not queer. thank you very much.— right gay, not queer. thank you very much. by— right gay, not queer. thank you very revere. ey rhe— right gay, not queer. thank you very much. by the way, we need more righteous— very much. by the way, we need more righteous gays and lesbians to more righteous gays and lesbians re ceme— more righteous gays and lesbians re up.— more righteous gays and lesbians to come up. actually take to come up. and actually take eer—reereeel to come up. and actually takei our—instead of our community back instead of the our community back instead of re rrgrreeue— our community back instead of the righteous rights that we fought— the righteous rights that we fought rer— the righteous rights that we fought for 50— the righteous rights that we fought for 50 years. we got stereveu, — fought for 50 years. we got stonewall, got— fought for 50 years. we got stonewall, got in 2003, same sex eeeprrere— stonewall, got in 2003, same sex eeeprrere re— stonewall, got in 2003, same sex adoptions in 2013,— stonewall, got in 2003, same sex adoptions in 2013, same sex marriage— adoptions in 2013, same sex marriage .— adoptions in 2013, same sex marriage . after— adoptions in 2013, same sex marriage . after that, there were marriage. after that, there were no marriage. after that, there were re rrerreeue— marriage. after that, there were no righteous fights to fight fer.— no righteous fights to fight for we— no righteous fights to fight for we ver— no righteous fights to fight for. we won everything . and for. we won everything. and eeeerr— for. we won everything. and eeeerr gaye— for. we won everything. and decent gays and— for. we won everything. and decent gays and lesbians like us. decent gays and lesbians like ey— decent gays and lesbians like ey rhe— decent gays and lesbians like ey rrve wey,— decent gays and lesbians like us. by the way, we went home to

raise— us. by the way, we went home to ride— us. by the way, we went home to raise our kids to— us. by the way, we went home to raise our kids to do— us. by the way, we went home to raise our kids to do things that we needed— raise our kids to do things that we needed re— raise our kids to do things that we needed to do.— raise our kids to do things that we needed to do. and lo and behem— we needed to do. and lo and behold .— we needed to do. and lo and behold , stonewall has more behold, stonewall has no more money— behold, stonewall has no more money-mere— behold, stonewall has no more money, more donations. so money, no more donations. so they— money, no more donations. so rrey ereere— money, no more donations. so rrey ereere e— money, no more donations. so they create a new— money, no more donations. so they create a new business model rear-e— they create a new business model rear-e erepprrg— they create a new business model rear-e erepprng er— they create a new business model that's stepping on our children's— that's stepping on our children's our children's heads and on our errrerer-e— children's heads and on our children's health. listen, let me— children's health. listen, let me-something- children's health. listen, let me-something .- children's health. listen, let me something . today children's health. listen, let- me-something . today i me tell you something. today i wee-rereuer— me tell you something. today i was through london. was walking through london. i ree— was walking through london. i had a— was walking through london. i had a rotary— was walking through london. i had a totally different outfit on. had a totally different outfit r— had a totally different outfit r reeve— had a totally different outfit on. i have an— had a totally different outfit on. i have an infection. i'm ereyrre— on. i have an infection. i'm ereyrre-e— on. i have an infection. i'm staying a physician who staying with a physician who erre— staying with a physician who see, vee— staying with a physician who said, you don't— staying with a physician who said, you don't look well. i reve— said, you don't look well. i have an— said, you don't look well. i have an infection. i'm walking around— have an infection. i'm walking around london— have an infection. i'm walking around london drinking a lot of veter— around london drinking a lot of water because— around london drinking a lot of water because she— around london drinking a lot of water because she told me to. comer-r— water because she told me to. couldn't find— water because she told me to. couldn't find a— water because she told me to. couldn't find a bathroom. pete on myself— couldn't find a bathroom. pete on myself while— couldn't find a bathroom. pete on myself while i'm going to a retry— on myself while i'm going to a my re— on myself while i'm going to a my re spear— on myself while i'm going to a rally to speak about saving churn...— rally to speak about saving children in— rally to speak about saving children in the— rally to speak about saving children in the middle of lender.— children in the middle of london. i've— children in the middle of london. i've got urine all the way— london. i've got urine all the way deve— london. i've got urine all the way down ere— london. i've got urine all the way down and all— london. i've got urine all the way down and all i see is vereeee— way down and all i see is versace and— way down and all i see is versace and this i'm not i'm not a huge— versace and this i'm not i'm not a huge ure— versace and this i'm not i'm not e huge hhe, grep.— versace and this i'm not i'm not a huge like, prep. i've got ehhgerer— a huge like, prep. i've got ehhgerer .— a huge like, prep. i've got alligator . alligator. you know, alligator. alligator. you know, why— alligator. alligator. you know, why eer-r— alligator. alligator. you know, why ereh-r ve— alligator. alligator. you know, why aren't we talking about here— why aren't we talking about there se— why aren't we talking about there so he— why aren't we talking about that? so do you— why aren't we talking about that? so do you think it's ehrhhry— that? so do you think it's errhhry rhe— that? so do you think it's simply the case that people eer-r— simply the case that people eer-r vehr— simply the case that people don't want to _ simply the case that people don't want to talk about it, or is don't want to talk about it, or he h— don't want to talk about it, or he h errhhry— don't want to talk about it, or is it simply that— don't want to talk about it, or is it simply that it makes them uncomfortable?— is it simply that it makes them uncomfortable? devastating to reh— uncomfortable? devastating to rehh—rheyl uncomfortable? devastating to. talk _they think talk about? well, do they think they're doing something good when comes these children when it comes to these children that that they're when it comes to these children that they're that they're when it comes to these children that they're they're t they're when it comes to these children that they're they're confused feeling they're they're confused , they feel this , used, and so they feel this might it? of parents

might fix it? a lot of parents are you don't put put are told if you don't put put them on puberty blockers, they'll kill themselves. you know, that. and here's know, a lot of that. and here's what-understand- what i don't understand about yeer—.- what i don't understand about yeer—. sel your country. i'm sorry. so we're talking— your country. i'm sorry. so we're talking about freedom of speech—high.- speech right here. right. okay. ahe— speech right here. right. okay. and-something- speech right here. right. okay. and something that and if i say something that offende— and if i say something that offends somebody or if i'm uk offends somebody or if i'm a uk ehhzeh— offends somebody or if i'm a uk ehhzeh rher— offends somebody or if i'm a uk citizen, that-wrong— offends somebody or if i'm a uk citizen, that wrong or citizen, that is wrong or errehee— citizen, that is wrong or offends their- citizen, that is wrong or offends their business, then you rehe— offends their business, then you rave-re— offends their business, then you rare-re hhh — offends their business, then you take _to jail. so _ offends their business, then you take to jail. so why aren't take them to jail. so why aren't we rehhg— take them to jail. so why aren't we taking mermaids we taking susie mermaids from herhehee— we taking susie mermaids from rherrhehee re— we taking susie mermaids from mermaids to jail— we taking susie mermaids from mermaids to jail for saying here— mermaids to jail for saying here a— mermaids to jail for saying better a live— mermaids to jail for saying better a live daughter than a deed— better a live daughter than a deed eer.— better a live daughter than a dead son? there's only one long rerrh — dead son? there's only one long rerrh -hu— dead son? there's only one long term _all seven - dead son? there's only one long term _all seven that- dead son? there's only one long term all seven that said term study. all seven that said it term study. all seven that said h vee— term study. all seven that said h greer— term study. all seven that said it was great have— term study. all seven that said it was great have been rejected. ohe—eeye- it was great have been rejected. ohe—eeye rherl one long term study says that rheee— one long term study says that these hee— one long term study says that these kids the _ one long term study says that these kids the truth the only 30 year— these kids the truth the only 30 year eruey— these kids the truth the only 30 year eruey vhh— these kids the truth the only 30 year study with over 300 trans rehe. — year study with over 300 trans rehe. rheee— year study with over 300 trans reps. these children will be more suicidal— reps. these children will be more suicidal after they heeheeuy— more suicidal after they medically transition. take her to medically transition. take her he hhh — medically transition. take her he yen. wher— medically transition. take her to jail. what you're- medically transition. take her to jail. g to jail. what you're talking about here is actually having a discussion about the data, about the studies, the discussion doesn't seem to be happening because there's too much noise, sometimes violence. we've seen that well. people that going on as well. people attacking protesters feminist attacking protesters or feminist protesters or whatever. you mentioned the gay rights issue, and i that's absolutely and i think that's absolutely key barnes book time

key. in hannah barnes book time to think. she talks about how the overwhelming majority of children who referred to children who are referred to paediatric care are same paediatric gender care are same sex attracted . so effectively sex attracted. so effectively what you're what you've got here is 3, 67% on genders. but anyways, you know- 3 �*7 fr" 3: but anyways, you know what facts. hex,— anyways, you know what facts. ng, ge — anyways, you know what facts. her, go ahead. — anyways, you know what facts. max, go ahead. but even so, that's a significant proportion . and that would suggest, doesn't it, that there's a kind of on where of thing going on here where kids are gender kids who are gender non—conforming probably to non—conforming probably going to grow almost grow up to be gay are almost being heterosexual being fixed or heterosexual ized in process . is in a way by this process. is that problem? is that that a problem? is that something talking that a problem? is that somet more? talking that a problem? is that somet more? absolutely. talking that a problem? is that sometmore? absolutely. buting about more? absolutely. but here-e— here's the thing. we've got gogg— here's the thing. we've got rereh—y-erhel here's the thing. we've goti total—jerks on here's the thing. we've got- total_jerks on one total and complete jerks on one she. — total and complete jerks on one she. rye-ve— total and complete jerks on one she. vve-ve ger— total and complete jerks on one side. we've got total and eerhhhere— side. we've got total and complete-on- side. we've got total and complete on the other. complete jerks on the other. i heehlhuer— complete jerks on the other. i heehlhuer rhe— complete jerks on the other. i mean,ijust did a— complete jerks on the other. i mean, just did a rally with mean, i just did a rally with heheur— mean, i just did a rally with heheur eer— mean, i just did a rally with honour oak and— mean, i just did a rally with honour oak and another organisation. _ honour oak and another organisation. i- honour oak and another organisation. i said i stood in he— organisation. i said i stood in he highe— organisation. i said i stood in the middle. |_ organisation. i said i stood in the middle. i started crying and rhrev— the middle. i started crying and hey my— the middle. i started crying and hey my rhe— the middle. i started crying and threw my mic down. i said, f you gy— threw my mic down. i said, f you eh, yee— threw my mic down. i said, f you eh, yeu guys— threw my mic down. i said, f you eh, yeu guye ere— threw my mic down. i said, f you all, you guys are all— threw my mic down. i said, f you all, you guys are all messed up. were— all, you guys are all messed up. we're butchering— all, you guys are all messed up. we're butchering entire we're butchering an entire gehereheh— we're butchering an entire. generation—you're generation of children. you're ever-yeuhg— generation of children. you're over yelling these over here yelling at these people-_ over here yelling at these geeehe-ever- over here yelling at these people. over here, people. you're over here, yehhg— people. you're over here, yelling-these- people. you're over here, yelling these people people. you're over here, yelling-these people the yelling at these people and the here— yelling at these people and the here-h— yelling at these people and the facts-is these— yelling at these people and the facts-is these kids- yelling at these people and the facts is these kids are facts are, is these kids are sharing— facts are, is these kids are starting themselves. starting to kill themselves. but heheey— starting to kill themselves. buti heheey—eeeeeh nobody will listen to my speech heeeuee— nobody will listen to my speech heeeuee yee— nobody will listen to my speech because you're yelling and yee— because you're yelling and you're-shame- you're yelling, shame on everyheey— you're yelling, shame on everybody-so- you're yelling, shame on. everybody-so-better you're yelling, shame on- everybodyiso-better way you're yelling, shame on- everybodyiso - better way to everybody. so the better way to do to sit and have a

do it is to sit and have a conversation and to let people know are. yeah know what the facts are. yeah and can't we and be realistic. why can't we say— and be realistic. why can't we say her,— and be realistic. why can't we say hee-yee— and be realistic. why can't we say that, you what? say that, hey, you know what? erevh — say that, hey, you know what? grown _oestrogen - say that, hey, you know what? grown oestrogen that are grown men on oestrogen that are hearing— grown men on oestrogen that are heerhg—rhey-re- beating up lesbians, they're rhhghr— beating up lesbians, they're rhhghr he— beating up lesbians, they're hrghr he e— beating up lesbians, they're might be a problem there that we heed— might be a problem there that we heed-ghee— might be a problem there that we need - about instead - need to talk about instead of rhhhhg— need to talk about instead ofi thinking,_don't thinking, oh my god, we don't vehe— thinking, oh my god, we don't vehr re— thinking, oh my god, we don't want to offend _ thinking, oh my god, we don't want to offend this man and tell him—e— want to offend this man and tell hhh-e her— want to offend this man and tell him-a man and- want to offend this man and tell him a man and actually him that he's a man and actually eeu— him that he's a man and actually een-e— him that he's a man and actually een-e mah— him that he's a man and actually een-e se— him that he's a man and actually call a man. so where what in call him a man. so where what in the call him a man. so where what in he heu— call him a man. so where what in he heu ere— call him a man. so where what in the hell are we— call him a man. so where what in the hell are we doing while i'm urhehhg— the hell are we doing while i'm urherhg h— the hell are we doing while i'm urinating in the— the hell are we doing while i'm urinating in the middle of reheehe— urinating in the middle of london? because of a bottom surgery— london? because of a bottom surgery rher-e— london? because of a bottom surgery that's completely and rereuy— surgery that's completely and totally experimental? get totally experimental? i get hreehehe— totally experimental? i get infections every six weeks. i prehehry— infections every six weeks. i probably won't— infections every six weeks. i probably won't live past ten yeers— probably won't live past ten ye r— probably won't live past ten ye r vehe— probably won't live past ten years. i won't see my grandkids . ahe— years. i won't see my grandkids . ahe yee— years. i won't see my grandkids . hhe yee hhev— years. i won't see my grandkids . and you know what? we want to here— . and you know what? we want to here-rehe— . and you know what? we want to here-erehe-yeul make sure that trans men, you knew,— make sure that trans men, you know, believe— make sure that trans men, you know, believe that they're women. .then - know, believe that they're women. then we know, believe that they're - women.-then we-righteous women. and then we got righteous gay-ure— women. and then we got righteous gay-hhe rhh— women. and then we got righteous gay-like this finally- gay people like this finally ererrhg— gay people like this finallyj starting—thank gay people like this finally- starting_thank god. starting to come up. thank god. rhe— starting to come up. thank god. rhe-veheee— starting to come up. thank god. find -voices.these- find your voices for these higher.— find your voices for these children-you're- find your voices for these children. you're talking children. so you're talking eheur— children. so you're talking eheur rhe— children. so you're talking about the potential complications . about the potential complications. /:::. complications. you've experienced all sorts of complications a result. i've complications as a result. i've had pulmonary i'm complications as a result. i've- hadlpulmonary_|'m on complications as a result. i've- hadlthinners.ry_|'m on complications as a result. i've- hadlthinners. i _i'm on complications as a result. i've- hadlthinners. i have-i'm on blood thinners. i have congestive— blood thinners. i have congestive heart failure. i have hung— congestive heart failure. i have huhg eerhege— congestive heart failure. i have huhg eerhege .— congestive heart failure. i have huhg eerhege . r— congestive heart failure. i have lung damage . i have a, you know, lung damage. i have a, you know, an . vvhere— lung damage. i have a, you know, an arm . where do— lung damage. i have a, you know, an arm . where do you want to go an arm. where do you want to go with— an arm. where do you want to go with these— an arm. where do you want to go with these kids?— an arm. where do you want to go with these kids? these kids are getting— with these kids? these kids are getting eehy— with these kids? these kids are getting early onset osteoporosis. they're getting

they— osteoporosis. they're getting rhey eer-r— osteoporosis. they're getting they can't have— osteoporosis. they're getting they can't have kids . i have they can't have kids. i have a vheee— they can't have kids. i have a vheee eh— they can't have kids. i have a vheee eh rhy— they can't have kids. i have a video on my phone right now, seme— video on my phone right now, serhe h.— video on my phone right now, serhe rr. rhh— video on my phone right now, some 11. this kid— video on my phone right now, some 11. this kid started 11 some11. this kid started 11 yeers— some11. this kid started 11 years gt,— some 11. this kid started 11 years old, taking puberty hheehere. — years old, taking puberty blockers. he's- years old, taking puberty blockers. he's 19, asking me if blockers. he's19, asking me if hee— blockers. he's19, asking me if hes e— blockers. he's19, asking me if hes e hurehr— blockers. he's19, asking me if he's a mutant .— blockers. he's19, asking me if he's a mutant. he— blockers. he's19, asking me if he's a mutant. he knows blockers. he's19, asking me if he's a mutant . he knows that he he's a mutant. he knows that he he's a mutant. he knows that he he rehea— he's a mutant. he knows that he he ruhee hie— he's a mutant. he knows that he he ruined his body.— he's a mutant. he knows that he he ruined his body. but who is hee— he ruined his body. but who is he he— he ruined his body. but who is he he hee— he ruined his body. but who is he he he-e e— he ruined his body. but who is he? is he's a man.— he ruined his body. but who is he? is he's a man. but i was a hur— he? is he's a man. but i was a her r— he? is he's a man. but i was a woman. but i destroyed my body. ahe— woman. but i destroyed my body. the ther— woman. but i destroyed my body. the then here— woman. but i destroyed my body. and then here all— woman. but i destroyed my body. and then here all we're doing is we vert— and then here all we're doing is we went re— and then here all we're doing is we want to make— and then here all we're doing is we want to make sure that gb viewe— we want to make sure that gb vheve — we want to make sure that gb views women. and yet you started much— views women. and yet you started much-ahe— views women. and yet you started much _and-kids- views women. and yet you started| much _and - kids are. much later. and these kids are. these much later. and these kids are. hee hee— much later. and these kids are. these kids don't— much later. and these kids are. these kids don't have— much later. and these kids are. these kids don't have a- much later. ' 2 25 these kids don't have a chance . these kids don't have a chance. vee— these kids don't have a chance. vee thew,— these kids don't have a chance. you know,.missouri,- these kids don't have a chance. you know, missouri, the you know, in missouri, the heeheehy— you know, in missouri, the basically the— you know, in missouri, the basically the doctor in missouri there— basically the doctor in missouri there eve— basically the doctor in missouri that's over missouri basically cheered— that's over missouri basically ereeree e— that's over missouri basically created a rule.— that's over missouri basically created a rule. i— that's over missouri basically created a rule. i love them. i eheehurery— created a rule. i love them. i absolutely love— created a rule. i love them. i absolutely love them. we heeheeuy— absolutely love them. we medically transitioned kids. rhey-re— medically transitioned kids. rhey-re etu— medically transitioned kids. they're still doing it. we hehhee— they're still doing it. we hehhee h.— they're still doing it. we banned it. so— they're still doing it. we banned it. so he came up with a rehe— banned it. so he came up with a ruhe rhet— banned it. so he came up with a rule that said,— banned it. so he came up with a rule that said, all— banned it. so he came up with a rule that said, all right, here-e— rule that said, all right, here's what— rule that said, all right, here's what we're going to do. if_transition- if you medically transition eeuhe— if you medically transition adults—need. if you medically transition adults—need to if you medically transition- adults_need to tell adults or kids, we need to tell them — adults or kids, we need to tell them .it-e— adults or kids, we need to tell them .hr-e e— adults or kids, we need to tell them it's a experimental , them that it's a experimental, eeeeh-r— them that it's a experimental, doesn't_causes| doesn't cure anything, causes causes more suicide . the adults causes more suicide. the adults rhet— causes more suicide. the adults that sherr— causes more suicide. the adults that share h— causes more suicide. the adults that start it need— causes more suicide. the adults that start it need to go through an that start it need to go through are re— that start it need to go through are re rhehrh— that start it need to go through an 18 month worth of therapy and the here— an 18 month worth of therapy and the trans activists— an 18 month worth of therapy and the trans activists are flipping eer.— the trans activists are flipping eur- vvhye— the trans activists are flipping out. why? because makes out. why? because it makes eeehhe— out. why? because it makes eeehhe-eheur- out. why? because it makes people-about it.- out. why? because it makes people about it. it gives people talk about it. it gives heehre— people talk about it. it gives heeere rhe— people talk about it. it gives people the information that

heehre— people the information that heeere heed— people the information that people need know if you want people need to know if you want to medically transition, do it. her— to medically transition, do it. her he— to medically transition, do it. her he .— to medically transition, do it. her he , rhe— to medically transition, do it. but no , the truth. it's not. it but no, the truth. it's not. it eeeeh-r— but no, the truth. it's not. it eeeeh-r eure— but no, the truth. it's not. it doesn't cure anything. it's heeheer— doesn't cure anything. it's medical transition in. and we're having— medical transition in. and we're making eur— medical transition in. and we're making our society arnie sick vhie— making our society arnie sick vhie rh— making our society arnie sick while i'm peeing— making our society arnie sick while i'm peeing in london and sreheveu. — while i'm peeing in london and stonewall. come— while i'm peeing in london and stonewall. f stonewall. come back, stonewall have said that they that most people who through these people who go through these transitional processes don't have what? have these complications. what? poppycock. true. the poppycock. that's not true. the ehhy— poppycock. that's not true. the ehhy-eruey- poppycock. that's not true. the ehry-eruey .- poppycock. that's not true. the only study . poppy. only long term study. poppy. poppy-— only long term study. poppy. poppy-_poppy-i poppy- poppy- poppy- poppy- poppy—5°- poppy- poppy- poppy- poppy- poppy—5° .- p0ppy- p0ppy- p0ppy- p0ppy- reeey—se . hl p0ppy- p0ppy- p0ppy- p0ppy-- poppy—so , in other poppy poppycock. so, in other verge.— poppy poppycock. so, in other words, about being informed is the debate. who's going to eeheree— the debate. who's going to debate? r— the debate. who's going to debate? i mean,— the debate. who's going to debate? i mean, i- 2 who's going to debate? i mean, i had a debate with— debate? i mean, i had a debate with he— debate? i mean, i had a debate with the biggest— debate? i mean, i had a debate with the biggest urologist in heereh— with the biggest urologist in boston-refused.- with the biggest urologist in boston refused. nobody will boston who refused. nobody will sit boston who refused. nobody will err-rhe— boston who refused. nobody will err-rhe-hhev— boston who refused. nobody will sit-me,-know why?- sit with me, you know why? because— sit with me, you know why? because nobody— sit with me, you know why? because nobody can debate me. rhe— because nobody can debate me. he he— because nobody can debate me. hhhe he verg— because nobody can debate me. this is wrong. this— because nobody can debate me. this is wrong. this is a black ahe— this is wrong. this is a black and vhhre— this is wrong. this is a black and white issue. _ this is wrong. this is a black and white issue. there is no grey— and white issue. there is no grey-we— and white issue. there is no grey-we should- and white issue. there is no grey we should not grey in this. we should not heeheehhy— grey in this. we should not medically children medically transition children ..g_ medically transition children ehe—rherl medically transition children i ere—her and shame on people that are ehehe— and shame on people that are ehehe er— and shame on people that are afraid of losing— and shame on people that are afraid of losing jobs. shame on gays— afraid of losing jobs. shame on geye ahe— afraid of losing jobs. shame on gays and lesbians— afraid of losing jobs. shame on gays and lesbians for not eeeehhhg— gays and lesbians for not eheehhhg uh.— gays and lesbians for not speaking up. shame on doctors , speaking up. shame on doctors, ehehe— speaking up. shame on doctors, eherhe eh— speaking up. shame on doctors, shame on therapists, because i get rheee— shame on therapists, because i get those emails— shame on therapists, because i get those emails .— shame on therapists, because i get those emails. i get shame on therapists, because i get those emails . i get people get those emails. i get people rhet— get those emails. i get people that rhhhh— get those emails. i get people that think that— get those emails. i get people that think that they are hurehre. — that think that they are hurehre. h— that think that they are mutants. i get people that are hhhhhhg— mutants. i get people that are killing themselves. i get people eehhhhg— killing themselves. i get people eehhhhg rhe— killing themselves. i get people calling me with— killing themselves. i get people calling me with guns in their heurh. — calling me with guns in their heurh. ahe— calling me with guns in their mouth. and while everybody else

is mouth. and while everybody else he eeheerhee— mouth. and while everybody else is concerned about— mouth. and while everybody else is concerned about women that are concerned about not seeming hhgeree— are concerned about not seeming bigoted effectively,— are concerned about not seeming bigoted effectively, yeah , it's bigoted effectively, yeah, it's ehey— bigoted effectively, yeah, it's ehey rer— bigoted effectively, yeah, it's okay for these _ bigoted effectively, yeah, it's okay for these kids. yeah i mean, you raised- okay for these kids. yeah i mean, you raised some very, very important points. mean, you raised some very, very important points . and you've important points. and you've said that today you were talking about how almost at the about how you're almost at the point don't want do point where you don't want to do this work i've this kind of work anymore. i've been doing this for years. been doing this for five years. listen, paid for this. listen, i'm not paid for this. rh— listen, i'm not paid for this. i'mlbusiness_ listen, i'm not paid for this. i'm business executive. i'm a business sales executive. h-ve— i'm a business sales executive. h-veeereer—- i'm a business sales executive. h-veeereer— rel i'm a business sales executive. i've—career to doj i've given up that career to do he— i've given up that career to do rhhe.-ehehr— i've given up that career to do this._spent $400- i've given up that career to do this. spent $400 that this. i just spent $400 that i eer-r— this. i just spent $400 that i eeh-r have— this. i just spent $400 that i don't have of— this. i just spent $400 that i don't have of i— this. i just spent $400 that i don't have of i got a job. i'm eeeehrhhg— don't have of i got a job. i'm eeeeerhhg hr— don't have of i got a job. i'm eeeeerhhg hr .— don't have of i got a job. i'm eeeeerhhg hr. h— don't have of i got a job. i'm accepting it . i have gotten paid accepting it. i have gotten paid for accepting it. i have gotten paid her here— accepting it. i have gotten paid her er— accepting it. i have gotten paid for none of this— accepting it. i have gotten paid for none of this is— accepting it. i have gotten paid for none of this is my kids are eheehurehy— for none of this is my kids are absolutely free. _ for none of this is my kids are absolutely free. i— for none of this is my kids are absolutely free. i can't even pav— absolutely free. i can't even pay her— absolutely free. i can't even pay her my— absolutely free. i can't even pay for my kid_ absolutely free. i can't even pay for my kid to go to college or pay for my kid to go to college er erey— pay for my kid to go to college er erey eh— pay for my kid to go to college or stay on campus.— pay for my kid to go to college or stay on campus. so i'm doing the— or stay on campus. so i'm doing the heeeuee— or stay on campus. so i'm doing this because i'm— or stay on campus. so i'm doing this because i'm a— or stay on campus. so i'm doing this because i'm a mother, heeeuee— this because i'm a mother, heeeuee h— this because i'm a mother, because i gave— this because i'm a mother, because i gave birth and because if i because i gave birth and because h h eheh-r— because i gave birth and because h h eheh-r ee— because i gave birth and because if i didn't do this,— because i gave birth and because if i didn't do this, i— because i gave birth and because if i didn't do this, i wouldn't be if i didn't do this, i wouldn't he e— if i didn't do this, i wouldn't he e herher— if i didn't do this, i wouldn't be a mother and— if i didn't do this, i wouldn't be a mother and neither would any— be a mother and neither would any er— be a mother and neither would any er yee.— be a mother and neither would any er yee. h— be a mother and neither would any of you. i have— be a mother and neither would any of you. i have three ehhhereh— any of you. i have three children as— any of you. i have three children as well, any of you. i have three children as well , scott three i children as well, scott three i rhhhh— children as well, scott three i rhhhh hr-e— children as well, scott three i think it's really— children as well, scott three i think it's really important that yeve— think it's really important that you've come on and spoken about the— you've come on and spoken about the ahe— you've come on and spoken about the end yeve— you've come on and spoken about this and you've let— you've come on and spoken about this and you've let people know you've come on and spoken about this aiyouru've let people know you've come on and spoken about this aiyour experience, ple know about your experience, because i rhhhh—he— about your experience, because i rhhhh—he eh- think that in itself is an hhhehehr— think that in itself is an. hrhherhehr—ger think that in itself is an- important_ get across. important message to get across. did important message to get across. hem-egress?— important message to get across. did - across? are - important message to get across. did _across? are you - did i get it across? are you guys did i get it across? are you guye heerhhg— did i get it across? are you guys hearing me?- did i get it across? are you guys hearing me? you- "j 2 grit e 2“ are you guys hearing me? you guys hear

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open rational debate. we've got to work out how britain moves forward from this . forward from this. welcome back to free speech nation. so this week in seethi— nation. so this week in scotland, a— nation. so this week in scotland, a new- he? ch" so this week in scotland, a new criminal justice bill scotland, a new criminal justice hhhh ve— scotland, a new criminal justice bill was published— scotland, a new criminal justice bill was published which hhehueee— bill was published which included abolishing jury trials included abolishing jury trials hh rehe— included abolishing jury trials hh rehe eeeee— included abolishing jury trials in rape cases .— included abolishing jury trials in rape cases . does this mean in rape cases. does this mean hehhrhehehe— in rape cases. does this mean hehhrhehehe ahe— in rape cases. does this mean politicians and senior judges do politicians and seniorjudges do not politicians and seniorjudges do her truer— politicians and seniorjudges do her truer rhe — politicians and seniorjudges do not trust the public to adjudicate— not trust the public to adjudicate on serious sexual errehee— adjudicate on serious sexual offence cases?— adjudicate on serious sexual offence cases? well, that's the vhev— offence cases? well, that's the er— offence cases? well, that's the er rhy— offence cases? well, that's the view of my next— offence cases? well, that's the view of my next guest , offence cases? well, that's the view of my next guest, senior uhhverehry— view of my next guest, senior university lecturer and author sherr— university lecturer and author stuart waiton. _ university lecturer and author stuart waiton. stuart now joins me stuart waiton. stuart now joins he hhve— stuart waiton. stuart now joins me hhve hem — stuart waiton. stuart now joins me live from dundee. welcome to mee— me live from dundee. welcome to he speech—

me live from dundee. welcome to free speech nation.— me live from dundee. welcome to free speech nation. stuart, eeuhe— free speech nation. stuart, eeuhe yev— free speech nation. stuart, could you perhaps give us some heehgreuhe— could you perhaps give us some heehgreuhe re— could you perhaps give us some background to this— could you perhaps give us some background to this because a lot of—ofl of people won't have heard of where— of people won't have heard of vher-e—vvherl of people won't have heard ofi what's—what is of people won't have heard of. what's—what is it what's happened here. what is it her— what's happened here. what is it that he— what's happened here. what is it mm the shr— what's happened here. what is it that the snp are— what's happened here. what is it that the snp are proposing? um, so , so essentially— that the snp are proposing? um, so , so essentially they want to so, so essentially they want to get— so, so essentially they want to get rhe— so, so essentially they want to get me er— so, so essentially they want to get me er tury— so, so essentially they want to get rid of jury trials or at heeer— get rid of jury trials or at here he— get rid of jury trials or at least it's a— get rid of jury trials or at least it's a pilot pilot to get rid least it's a pilot pilot to get me er— least it's a pilot pilot to get me er tury— least it's a pilot pilot to get rid of jury trials. ' 2 rid of jury trials. and this is part— rid of jury trials. and this is part of a process towards setting up specialist sex courts. so rather than just having ordinary courts , they having ordinary courts, they want to have specialist sex courts . they don't want ordinary courts. they don't want ordinary people to adjudicate on rape because ordinary people are too bigoted . they have they believe bigoted. they have they believe in rape myths as it's described, whereas us judges are more enlightened. and so they want to have judges adjudicating on rape cases and judges who are trauma informed . and so they will have informed. and so they will have been trained to be trauma informed, which i can elaborate on but won't at the minute . um, on but won't at the minute. um, and they say there's overwhelming evidence that the

general public have got these outdated ideas . and so you need outdated ideas. and so you need this new process, this new way of having justice because not enough rape cases are leading to conviction. so there's 51% lead to convictions , um, compared to convictions, um, compared with , say, 80% in homicide , for with, say, 80% in homicide, for example. there is a valid point there— example. there is a valid point there rheugh— example. there is a valid point there rheugh .— example. there is a valid point there though , isn't— rite? there is a valid point there though , isn't there, that there though, isn't there, that rhet— there though, isn't there, that that her— there though, isn't there, that mm mm rehe— there though, isn't there, that that that rape cases are notoriously— that that rape cases are notoriously difficult to convict eme— notoriously difficult to convict and e— notoriously difficult to convict and e her— notoriously difficult to convict and e her e— notoriously difficult to convict and a lot a lot— notoriously difficult to convict and a lot a lot of— notoriously difficult to convict and a lot a lot of the time they eer-r— and a lot a lot of the time they don't-convictions- and a lot a lot of the time they don't convictions and don't get the convictions and her— don't get the convictions and that they— don't get the convictions and that they feel— don't get the convictions and that they feel they have to do eemerhhhg — that they feel they have to do something-that. - that they feel they have to do something that. that something about that. and that mayhe— something about that. and that maybe—re- something about that. and that meyhe—re dol something about that. and that meyhe—re ee it-i maybe this is one way to do it. wher— maybe this is one way to do it. what veuhe— maybe this is one way to do it. what would you _ maybe this is one way to do it. what would you make of that? even— what would you make of that? ever yev— what would you make of that? vvehh yev mew,— what would you make of that? well you know, you could say my— well you know, you could say ehhy gog— well you know, you could say emhy gee. er— well you know, you could say only 80% of homicides find convictions. _ only 80% of homicides find convictions. so— only 80% of homicides find convictions. 2 convictions. so we need that's not good. we need more law. so let's change the justice system so that the balance is completely in favour of the individual and all the safety framework work and the expectation of evidence and justice and innocent until proven guilty should just, you

know, push that aside. and i mean, the thing there's lots of things you can say about the rape situation itself. so, for example , 51% of cases are found example, 51% of cases are found guilty . and people say, well, guilty. and people say, well, you know, there's more in homicide cases , but, you know, homicide cases, but, you know, there's this editor of the scottish legal news , for scottish legal news, for example, carpal suman makes the observation that why should you expect rape and murder to end with the same level numbers of convictions, right, with murder, you have a clear crime. you have a body with rape. you don't have a body with rape. you don't have a clear crime. you're actually trying to prove that a crime has been committed in the first place. it's therefore , it is place. it's therefore, it is potentially much more difficult . on top of that, this idea. and it's amazing that they always say that they're evidence based. they say there's overwhelming evidence that the jury , general evidence that the jury, general pubuc evidence that the jury, general public are based on mock jury trials . right. so this public are based on mock jury trials. right. so this is the research that's been done at glasgow university. however,

cheryl thomas, who's the leading expert on doing research with actual juries, argues and i quote, hardly any juror believes what are often referred to as widespread myths and stereotypes about rape and sexual assault and she's done massive amount of research into this and says the main myth is the idea that there are rape myths, i.e. the general pubuc are rape myths, i.e. the general public do not have profoundly backward 1950s view about rape at all. and from her evidence , at all. and from her evidence, she completely contradicts it. in scotland , nobody seems to in scotland, nobody seems to care. nobody seems to have found her work or found that there's a clash here about what's happening . so we're going to end happening. so we're going to end up potentially with trials where you just have a judge who is , as you just have a judge who is, as i said, trauma informed . i mean, i said, trauma informed. i mean, thatis i said, trauma informed. i mean, that is quite a leap,— i said, trauma informed. i mean, that is quite a leap, isn't- i mean, that is quite a leap, isn't it, to eliminate— that is quite a leap, isn't it, to eliminate the— that is quite a leap, isn't it, to eliminate the jury to sort of hyheee— to eliminate the jury to sort of hyeeee ther— to eliminate the jury to sort of hyeeee that very— to eliminate the jury to sort of bypass that very sort of key hreeeee— bypass that very sort of key hreeeee er— bypass that very sort of key process of the— bypass that very sort of key process of the judicial system? it process of the judicial system? hr eee— process of the judicial system? hr guhre— process of the judicial system? it seems quite an— process of the judicial system? it seems quite an extreme reeerheh—

it seems quite an extreme reeerheh .— it seems quite an extreme reaction , but— it seems quite an extreme reaction , but i— it seems quite an extreme reaction , but i suppose there reaction, but i suppose there hee— reaction, but i suppose there hee re— reaction, but i suppose there hee he he— reaction, but i suppose there has to be some— reaction, but i suppose there has to be some sort of debate eeem— has to be some sort of debate ehem eeem— has to be some sort of debate about about why— has to be some sort of debate about about why conviction rates are about about why conviction rates eem-e— about about why conviction rates eem-e yee— about about why conviction rates are and you're saying are so low and you're saying her— are so low and you're saying that there— are so low and you're saying that there is— are so low and you're saying that there is counter evidence to that there is counter evidence he the — that there is counter evidence he hhe heee— that there is counter evidence to the idea that— that there is counter evidence to the idea that these myths are tethered.— to the idea that these myths are prehegeheelhhe— to the idea that these myths are propagated. it's kind of propagated. but it's the kind of hhhhg— propagated. but it's the kind of hhhhglheeehe— propagated. but it's the kind of thing-people will— propagated. but it's the kind of thing people will say, well, thing of people will say, well, if thing of people will say, well, hr eemeehee— thing of people will say, well, if someone's dressed in a eemeh— if someone's dressed in a eemehh—gehi if someone's dressed in a. certain—get this certain way that you get this rhe— certain way that you get this hhhelvhehhm— certain way that you get this kind victim blaming thing, is kind of victim blaming thing, is her— kind of victim blaming thing, is hheh-hhhe— kind of victim blaming thing, is hheh-hhhe er— kind of victim blaming thing, is that-kind of myth- kind of victim blaming thing, is that kind of myth you're that the kind of myth you're hehhhhg—huh- that the kind of myth you're talking—but butj talking about? it is. but but even-h— talking about? it is. but but even i was looking at even there, i was looking at hheee— even there, i was looking at hheee myhhe— even there, i was looking at these myths and— even there, i was looking at these myths and what they are . these myths and what they are. so these myths and what they are. so hheee— these myths and what they are. so these these— these myths and what they are. so these these are— these myths and what they are. so these these are things- these myths and what they are. so these these are things that are meant to that you're are meant to show that you're profoundly prejudice. okay. so these include things like that. the person didn't scream or fight . okay. so is that so if fight. okay. so is that so if that doesn't happen and you think that that might be relevant, does that mean you're an old fashioned bigot, relevant, does that mean you're an old fashioned bigot , that the an old fashioned bigot, that the person failed to sufficiently communicate her lack of consent 7 communicate her lack of consent ? okay. so again, if there is if someone's if there's no evidence that the person committed , the that the person committed, the person doing it, that the person committed, the person doing it , the accused person doing it, the accused didn't know that this person was

not consenting , is that not not consenting, is that not relevant? right these are all things that are said to be mixed, that women sometimes send mixed, that women sometimes send mixed signals . mixed, that women sometimes send mixed signals. us. right. mixed, that women sometimes send mixed signals . us. right. that's mixed signals. us. right. that's a rape myth. supposedly do women never say and mixed signals now in some cases , stewart can say in some cases, stewart can say yes, you must be aware, though, that i mean, the whole reason why the metoo movement arose is because a lot the women because a lot of the time women were the police about were going to the police about sexual assaults and not being believed. i you must be sexual assaults and not being believthati you must be sexual assaults and not being believthat that you must be sexual assaults and not being believthat that yai must be sexual assaults and not being believthat that yai rwas be aware that that was a it was hehhehhhg. — aware that that was a it was happening- _are- aware that that was a it was happening. are you happening. i mean, are you eeyhhg— happening. i mean, are you- eeyhhg—hehhehhhg saying that that isn't happening hyee— saying that that isn't happening ehymerelhe. — saying that that isn't happening anymore-no. what- saying that that isn't happening anymore hrzr saying that that isn't happening anymore hhzr r: anymore? no. what i'm saying, you're right. i mean, i think if you're right. i mean, i think if you compare and contrast sort of 19705, 80 you compare and contrast sort of 1970s, 80 was backward prejudiced approaches to women and rape, things are better. um, and rape, things are better. um, and you would want to you know, you would want to hold open the possibility that this is true and then you would what you would want to do is you would find evidence, right ? but would want to do is you would find evidence, right? but i mean, the thing to

mean, the thing, the thing to think as well is that think about here as well is that what's being argued is that the pubuc what's being argued is that the public have backward views and therefore can't be trusted. but therefore can't be trusted. but the law is meant to reflect the pubuc the law is meant to reflect the public right. the law is not meant to be a reflection of the elite and their prejudices and i think what you're seeing here really is elite prejudice about the deplorables. they think ordinary people are sexist, bigoted , homophobic, racist, bigoted, homophobic, racist, etcetera , etcetera, etcetera. etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. which mean you describe this often on your program, the way this works itself, that is their mindset in scotland . the entire mindset in scotland. the entire framework has been developed around what i would see as an extreme form of feminism. that is right at the centre of scottish government. the scottish government. the scottish criminal justice system and holyrood. and there's plenty of evidence there'd be quite open to say yes where feminists we believe in a patriarchal society see women are oppressed, men are dominators. and then from prison , which is

from that prison, which is highly problematic , contestable highly problematic, contestable , they are then trying to change the basis of justice, which is that you should have a jury of your peers when you've got a serious offence like rape rather than a judge who's going to be under massive pressure to convict the person. well it's a very interesting debate. i'm sure it will go on. g 2 i'm sure it will go on. stuart vvehheh— sure it will go on. stuart waiton, thanks very much for tehhhhg— waiton, thanks very much for tehhhhg me— waiton, thanks very much for tehhhhg me .— waiton, thanks very much for joining me . and— waiton, thanks very much for joining me . and after the break joining me. and after the break on joining me. and after the break eh hee— joining me. and after the break on free speech— joining me. and after the break on free speech nation , we're on free speech nation, we're going— on free speech nation, we're gehhg he— on free speech nation, we're gehhg he have— on free speech nation, we're going to have this week's social seheehhehe— going to have this week's social sensations and— going to have this week's social sensations and unfiltered hhemmee— sensations and unfiltered dilemmas. see you .

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dr. video from a few years ago on g. rhhh— video from a few years ago on g. hhhh hee— video from a few years ago on dr. phil has suddenly resurfaced on dr. phil has suddenly resurfaced eh hvhhher— dr. phil has suddenly resurfaced on twitter this— dr. phil has suddenly resurfaced on twitter this weekend . and on twitter this weekend. and he— on twitter this weekend. and hhhe he— on twitter this weekend. and hhhe he e— on twitter this weekend. and this is a woman— on twitter this weekend. and this is a woman who believes she eheuhe— this is a woman who believes she eheuhe have— this is a woman who believes she should have been— this is a woman who believes she should have been born blind and reer— should have been born blind and heeh mehhere— should have been born blind and took matters into— should have been born blind and took matters into her own hands . hee— took matters into her own hands . hee yee— took matters into her own hands . he yee hhve— took matters into her own hands . he yev have my— took matters into her own hands . do you have any regrets about hehhhg— . do you have any regrets about hehhhg yeer— . do you have any regrets about hehhhg yem evvh— . do you have any regrets about taking your own vision or the hreeeee— taking your own vision or the hreeeee vhhh— taking your own vision or the process with which you you did here— process with which you you did here yeer— process with which you you did the yem evvh— process with which you you did take your own vision ? 20" e take your own vision? i don't have— take your own vision? i don't have my— take your own vision? i don't have any regrets taking my vision. i believe i should have been born blind and i'm happy the way i am. i do have some regrets about the way i did it, but i'm in the end, i'm happy the way i am . so it's a the way i am. so it's a ehhheuhh— the way i am. so it's a difficult one,- so it's a difficult one, though, because i do difficult one, though, because i he hehheve— difficult one, though, because i do believe anyone— difficult one, though, because i do believe anyone should be able to do believe anyone should be able he he— do believe anyone should be able he he vheh— do believe anyone should be able he he vheh hhey— do believe anyone should be able to do what they want with their heehee. — to do what they want with their own bodies. .it— to do what they want with their own bodies. .it-i- to do what they want with theiri own bodies. .it-i mean, own bodies. but it just i mean, come on, you. i think dr. phil vhehee— come on, you. i think dr. phil vhehee hee— come on, you. i think dr. phil wishes he'd met— come on, you. i think dr. phil wishes he'd met her- 2 i think dr. phil wishes he'd met her a bit sooner. yes yeah, i remember vehehhhg— sooner. yes yeah, i remember vehehhhg-hhg— sooner. yes yeah, i remember watching-big dr.- sooner. yes yeah, i remember watching big dr. phil watching that big dr. phil fan me— watching that big dr. phil fan and ther— watching that big dr. phil fan and just heartbreak , isn't and just it's heartbreak, isn't it? and just it's heartbreak, isn't he vvhy— and just it's heartbreak, isn't he vvhylhh— and just it's heartbreak, isn't it? why it resurfacing now? it? why is it resurfacing now? he— it? why is it resurfacing now? he rhe— it? why is it resurfacing now? he hme er— it? why is it resurfacing now? this kind of clip— it? why is it resurfacing now? this kind of clip ,_ it? why is it resurfacing now? this kind of clip , i— it? why is it resurfacing now? this kind of clip, i wonder? yeah. well it's this idea, isn't it, her— yeah. well it's this idea, isn't it, hheh ve— yeah. well it's this idea, isn't it, that we should take. i'm eheeehhg— it, that we should take. i'm eheeehhg my— it, that we should take. i'm choosing my words carefully. yes i choosing my words carefully. yes h hheheh— choosing my words carefully. yes h hheheh he—

choosing my words carefully. yes h hheheh he e— choosing my words carefully. yes i listen to a podcast recently eeem— i listen to a podcast recently eheuh hhhe— i listen to a podcast recently about this where— i listen to a podcast recently about this where people's mental hhhheee— about this where people's mental illness sometimes— about this where people's mental illness sometimes perhaps we eughh— illness sometimes perhaps we eughh he— illness sometimes perhaps we ought to traditionally we eeehhehee— ought to traditionally we sectioned people with certain memeh— sectioned people with certain mental illnesses. yes. and here— mental illnesses. yes. and hhehe hevv— mental illnesses. yes. and that's now potentially falling out that's now potentially falling euh er— that's now potentially falling out of fashion— that's now potentially falling out of fashion because we're hrherhhhehhg— out of fashion because we're prioritising identity too much. so prioritising identity too much. se hr— prioritising identity too much. se hr yee— prioritising identity too much. so if you identify as somebody vhe— so if you identify as somebody who shouldn't— so if you identify as somebody who shouldn't be— so if you identify as somebody who shouldn't be sighted, the ergumem— who shouldn't be sighted, the argumem he— who shouldn't be sighted, the argument is who— who shouldn't be sighted, the argument is who am i to tell you 7 argument is who am ito tell you evvhe-e— argument is who am ito tell you evvhe-e g. — argument is who am ito tell you 7 who's dr. phil— argument is who am ito tell you 7 who's dr. phil to— argument is who am ito tell you ? who's dr. phil to tell you her— ? who's dr. phil to tell you that yee. — ? who's dr. phil to tell you that yev. se— ? who's dr. phil to tell you that you. so he's- ? who's dr. phil to tell you that you. 22 that you. so he's crested, right? is this just a lunatic? she's obviously got mental heehhh— she's obviously got mental health issues,— she's obviously got mental health issues, but as you say, i hhhhh—hh- health issues, but as you say, i think—in hand- health issues, but as you say, ii think—in hand with think it goes hand in hand with heehhe-e— think it goes hand in hand with heehhe-e-hhhe. - think it goes hand in hand with people's kind. live people's like be kind. yes. live me— people's like be kind. yes. live and her— people's like be kind. yes. live and let live. _ people's like be kind. yes. live and let live. well,— people's like be kind. yes. live and let live. well, i- people's like be kind. yes. live and let live. whizz“ a" and let live. well, i saw an interview on norwegian tv. i wasn't tv. it wasn't watching norwegian tv. it was a clip that was posted. and it someone identifies as it was someone who identifies as disabled saying nothing wrong with them. but they say i'm always should be in always felt i should be in a wheelchair. and this was an approving why can't wheelchair. and this was an appijustg why can't wheelchair. and this was an appijust say, why can't wheelchair. and this was an appijust say, be why can't wheelchair. and this was an appijust say, be iigrateful: you just say, be a bit grateful for you've right ? there for what you've got right? there are people who give are people who would give anything swap. and is anything to swap. and that is the is anything to swap. and that is hhe-he ve— anything to swap. and that isi the-is we-gratitude the thing is we show gratitude vhhh— the thing is we show gratitude vhhh-hehh— the thing is we show gratitude vhhh-hehh .- the thing is we show gratitude vhhh-hehh , yee- the thing is we show gratitude with help , you know, of the thing is we show gratitude witilist help , you know, of the thing is we show gratitude witilist of help , you know, of the thing is we show gratitude witilist of thingsp , you know, of the thing is we show gratitude witilist of things , , you know, of the thing is we show gratitude witilist of things , wealth now, of the thing is we show gratitude witilist of things , wealth and of the list of things, wealth and all the list of things, wealth and ehh er— the list of things, wealth and ehh er hh— the list of things, wealth and all of it. health— the list of things, wealth and all of it. health is up at the hee.— all of it. health is up at the hee. vee— all of it. health is up at the top. you cannot— all of it. health is up at the top. you cannot appreciate ehyhhhhg— top. you cannot appreciate ehyhhhhg ehee— top. you cannot appreciate anything else wanting a anything else wanting to be a

vhehhm — anything else wanting to be a vhehhm .— anything else wanting to be a vhehhm , heh-h— anything else wanting to be a victim , isn't it? _ anything else wanting to be a victim , isn't it? /2. 22 ”we victim, isn't it? you identify yourself out victim status, yourself out of victim status, make yourself blind, make yourself indulging yourself disabled. no. indulging that. that's no one's that. that's the issue. no one's eeyhhg— that. that's the issue. no one's eeyhhg hhhe— that. that's the issue. no one's saying this .wrong_ that. that's the issue. no one's saying this-wrong .- that's the issue. no one's saying this wrong . there is saying this is wrong. there is eemehhhhg— saying this is wrong. there is something wrong here. okay. vhe-re— something wrong here. okay. were-he— something wrong here. okay. we're-to move- something wrong here. okay. we're-to move on.- something wrong here. okay. we're to move on. this is we're going to move on. this is a transgender influencer, dylan mulvaney this mulvaney has posted a video this week have week on tiktok. let's have a look. i like week on tiktok. let's have a look . i like the articles look. i like the articles vrhhheh— look. i like the articles written about- i like the articles written about me using he pronouns and— written about me using he pronouns and calling me a man me— pronouns and calling me a man over and over again on and i reeh— over and over again on and i reeh hhhe— over and over again on and i feel like that— over and over again on and i feel like that should be hhhegeh. — feel like that should be hhhegeh. h— feel like that should be illegal. i don't- feel like that should be illegal. 2h2h . illegal. i don't know that's that's just bad journalism . so that's just bad journalism. so i think dylan mulvaney is perfectly entitled to criticise journalists, but to claim that that speech should be illegal . that speech should be illegal. if dylan mulvaney doesn't like the speech , well, let's see what the speech, well, let's see what happens when donald dylan mulvaney says something that's illegal. i mean, it's just a bad heee. — illegal. i mean, it's just a bad heee. vehi— illegal. i mean, it's just a bad idea. well, if— illegal. i mean, it's just a bad idea. well, if you— illegal. i mean, it's just a bad idea. well, if you set- illegal. i mean, it's just a bad idea. well, if you set that precedent we can precedent saying that we can decide eventually somebody decide what eventually somebody will you'll will be in power and you'll want to they don't to say something that they don't want say, just don't go want you to say, just don't go there. but i think he should be want you to say, just don't go thereto ut i think he should be want you to say, just don't go thereto doi think he should be want you to say, just don't go thereto do whatever should be want you to say, just don't go thereto do whatever he ould be want you to say, just don't go thereto do whatever he wants; able to do whatever he wants with his life in his body. yes. he man. and he because he's a man. and i don't mind can dress or

don't mind that he can dress or identify. however because i believe liberal values. but believe in liberal values. but the should be able the idea that he should be able to how i speak, of to impose what how i speak, of course, compelled is insane. well, this is this whole well, this is what this whole movement the gender movement has been the gender ideology. must just go along ideology. you must just go along vhhh— ideology. you must just go along vhhh vheh— ideology. you must just go along with what we're— 23 you must just go along with what we're saying for our hhherheh— with what we're saying for our internal feelings— with what we're saying for our internal feelings. with what we're saying for our internal feelings . yeah, it's internal feelings. yeah, it's vehg— internal feelings. yeah, it's vr.ehg yeah.— internal feelings. yeah, it's wrong. yeah, of— internal feelings. yeah, it's wrong. yeah, of course it's vrehg— wrong. yeah, of course it's vrehg . — wrong. yeah, of course it's vrehg . okay.— wrong. yeah, of course it's wrong . wrong. yeah, of course it's- wrong . okay, well, look, we're wrong. okay, well, look, we're going move now to this going to move on now to this part of the show where we talk through unfiltered through your unfiltered dilemmas. our first dilemma came in ann, for in from ann. thank you, ann, for writing says , my writing this. ann says, my female and i, are female colleague and i, who are in have a boss who is in our 60s have a boss who is young enough our son who young enough to be our son who keeps referring to us as keeps on referring to us as girls in emails. when he issues his instructions to us. i find this extremely irritating and feel he's condescending, feel he's being condescending, putting place. but my putting us in our place. but my colleague tells me take as colleague tells me to take it as a compliment to a compliment and not to say anything. and is anything. who is right and is there a polite way of getting him treat with more him to treat us with more respect ? right. so cressida, as respect? right. so cressida, as the girl on the panel, do you think that is it offensive ? kyiv think that is it offensive? kyiv look, love, is it ? i don't know. look, love, is it? i don't know. vheh— look, love, is it? i don't know. when h— look, love, is it? i don't know. when h ve— look, love, is it? i don't know. when h he.— look, love, is it? i don't know. when i was 18, i—

look, love, is it? i don't know. when i was 18, i would- e?’ idon't know. when i was 18, i would have had a when i was 18, i would have had e her— when i was 18, i would have had e heh he— when i was 18, i would have had e heh he eey— when i was 18, i would have had a lot to say about— when i was 18, i would have had a lot to say about this and i ther— a lot to say about this and i tueh eer-h— a lot to say about this and i just don't care.— a lot to say about this and i just don't care. i— a lot to say about this and i just don't care. i mean, enjoy it just don't care. i mean, enjoy hh vhhhe— just don't care. i mean, enjoy hh vhhhe yee— just don't care. i mean, enjoy it while you can.— just don't care. i mean, enjoy it while you can. i- just don't care. i mean, enjoy it while you can. i don't know. is it while you can. i don't know. he hh— it while you can. i don't know. is it complimentary? then it is it complimentary? then is it eemhhhmehherye— is it complimentary? then is it complimentary? no, it's not complimentary? no no, it's not eemehhmerhery— complimentary? no no, it's not complimentary.-?. complimentary? no no, it's not complimentary.-? ii complimentary. okay. is it? i meehleeye— complimentary. okay. is it? i mean,.says more- complimentary. okay. is it? i mean, says more about him mean, it says more about him hheh— mean, it says more about him hheh-h— mean, it says more about him hheh-h-hh- mean, it says more about him than-i-it tells- mean, it says more about him than-i-it tells me| than them. i think it tells me her— than them. i think it tells me mar-very— than them. i think it tells me that very self—aware. that he's not very self—aware. or that he's not very self—aware. or-hryhhg— that he's not very self—aware. or-hrymg he— that he's not very self—aware. or-trying to.nice- that he's not very self—aware. or-trying to.nice ? l or is he trying to be nice? like, that's bit david brent, like, that's a bit david brent, hen-h— like, that's a bit david brent, heh-hle — like, that's a bit david brent, heh-hle hee— like, that's a bit david brent, isn'tl? he's a— like, that's a bit david brent, isn'tl? he's a.david. like, that's a bit david brent,- isn'tl? he's a.david brent isn't it? he's a bit david brent but brent was a nice guy but david brent was a nice guy getting wasn't getting things wrong, wasn't he? and i wouldn't make david brent hhhegeh— and i wouldn't make david brent hhhegeh. se— and i wouldn't make david brent hhhegeh. se carry— and i wouldn't make david brent illegal. so carry-it- illegal. so carry on. is it errehehve— illegal. so carry on. is it offensive your, your , know offensive your, your, you know a lot this of stuff. lot about this sort of stuff. yes offence . yeah. well yes causing offence. yeah. well i mean yes causing offence. yeah. well h hhe— yes causing offence. yeah. well h hhe .— yes causing offence. yeah. well i mean it's , it's— yes causing offence. yeah. well i mean it's , it's a— yes causing offence. yeah. well i mean it's , it's a tricky- 2425 “g 2 yeah. well i mean it's , it's a tricky one i mean it's, it's a tricky one heeee— i mean it's, it's a tricky one heeehee h— i mean it's, it's a tricky one because i catch— i mean it's, it's a tricky one because i catch myself out now eeyhhg— because i catch myself out now eeyhhg ghrhe— because i catch myself out now eeyhhg ghrhe er— because i catch myself out now saying girls or you— because i catch myself out now saying girls or you know instead of saying girls or you know instead er my— saying girls or you know instead er my vhe-e— saying girls or you know instead of my wife's like— saying girls or you know instead of my wife's like she's a woman . ahe— of my wife's like she's a woman . ahe h— of my wife's like she's a woman . ahe h we— of my wife's like she's a woman . and i was like,— of my wife's like she's a woman . and i was like, oh— of my wife's like she's a woman . and i was like, oh yeah. of my wife's like she's a woman . and i was like, oh yeah . yes. . and i was like, oh yeah. yes. she-e— . and i was like, oh yeah. yes. she-e e— . and i was like, oh yeah. yes. she-e e h— . and i was like, oh yeah. yes. she-e e h rm— . and i was like, oh yeah. yes. she's a if i'm describing eemeheey— she's a if i'm describing somebody or— she's a if i'm describing somebody or so it is a you do have— somebody or so it is a you do have he— somebody or so it is a you do have he heeh— somebody or so it is a you do have to look there's something going— have to look there's something gehhg eh— have to look there's something gehhg eh hhere. — have to look there's something going on there. okay. 242. going on there. okay. you think it going on there. okay. you think hh he— going on there. okay. you think hh he a— going on there. okay. you think it is a form of it's patronising, but it comes from a certain kind of who knows what his intent is. exactly. rreeheehy— his intent is. exactly. precisely but- his intent is. exactly. precisely but it- 2“ exactly. precisely but it could well his intent is. exactly. - precisely but it could well be me— precisely but it could well be me eehehhhy— precisely but it could well be and certainly if— precisely but it could well be and certainly if he is like merheehy— and certainly if he is like

markedly younger , he could well markedly younger, he could well be markedly younger, he could well he eeehhg— markedly younger, he could well he eeehhg hh— markedly younger, he could well he eeehhg hh ee— markedly younger, he could well be seeing it as like, hey, ghrhe— be seeing it as like, hey, ghrhe. mayhe— be seeing it as like, hey, girls, maybe status girls, maybe it's a status hhhhg— girls, maybe it's a status hhhhg. hheh— girls, maybe it's a status hhhhg. hheh .— girls, maybe it's a status thing, then , i- girls, maybe it's a status thing, then , i don't know. or thing, then, i don't know. or vhe— thing, then, i don't know. or vhe-hee- thing, then, i don't know. or vhe-he-e-hehi thing, then, i don't know. ori who-he's-not a thing, then, i don't know. or- who-he's-not a good who knows? he's just not a good quy- who knows? he's just not a good guy. knows? look, guy. who knows? well, look, we've got another dilemma now from lottie says, one of from lottie. lottie says, one of my best friends just started my best friends has just started dating i set dating my male flatmate. i set them up originally was fine with them up originally was fine with the being together, them up originally was fine with the she's being together, them up originally was fine with the she's aroundg together, them up originally was fine with the she's around the gether, them up originally was fine with the she's around the whole but now she's around the whole time and they like it's time and they feel like it's starting damage our starting to damage our friendship. how do tell friendship. how do i tell them that i don't that i need some space? i don't want her. what do you want to lose her. what do you think? think house chairs think? i think house chairs should illegal. well, think? i think house chairs should illegal . well, we're should be illegal. well, we're hehhhhg— should be illegal. well, we're talking about— should be illegal. well, we're talking about things- should be illegal. well, we're talking about things i- 2 3 well, we're talking about things i haven't eehe— talking about things i haven't eehe hh— talking about things i haven't eehe hh rer— talking about things i haven't done it for many— talking about things i haven't done it for many years, and i vehhe— done it for many years, and i vehhe-hh— done it for many years, and i would-it again.- done it for many years, and i would it again. and would never do it again. and here— would never do it again. and hhehe—hhe- that's just the tip of the heeherg— that's just the tip of the iceberg, isn't— that's just the tip of the iceberg, isn't it? it's not going— iceberg, isn't it? it's not gehhg he— iceberg, isn't it? it's not gehhg he ere— iceberg, isn't it? it's not going to end well. no, i don't hhhhh— going to end well. no, i don't hhhhh-ehh— going to end well. no, i don't think-all going- going to end well. no, i don't think all going sit think they're all going to sit eevh— down and have a nice conversation - conversation and agree. no. vheh— conversation and agree. no. wag-n.— conversation and agree. no. vvehh.-hhhe he- conversation and agree. no. well,-this is what- well, this is this is what happened me. i just i happened to me. and i just i lost friends. oh lost two best friends. oh really? what it really? that's exactly what it was. yeah and they they hooked really? that's exactly what it wazand ah and they they hooked really? that's exactly what it wazand thenid they they hooked really? that's exactly what it wazand then that ay they hooked really? that's exactly what it wazand then that wasiey hooked really? that's exactly what it wazand then that was it. hooked up and then that was it. i was like, well, josh, like, all right, well, josh, i would love to explore that therapeutically with you, but we've . it was we've run out of time. it was a girl on that. we've run out of time. it was a ghrh eh hheh eh— we've run out of time. it was a girl on that. on that- 2“ e it was a girl on that. on that tragic here.— girl on that. on that tragic note, thanks— girl on that. on that tragic note, thanks joining us for note, thanks for joining us for hee— note, thanks for joining us for rree-hehheh— note, thanks for joining us for free - nation. this- note, thanks for joining us for free nation. this was the free speech nation. this was the veer— free speech nation. this was the veer-hheeh— free speech nation. this was the week biden formally week when joe biden formally hehhehee— week when joe biden formally launched campaign launched his campaign for a eeehh— launched his campaign for al

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back to the detail for the overnight period though, back to the detail for the overshowersriod though, back to the detail for the overshowers are though, back to the detail for the overshowers are gradually gh, and showers are gradually transferring— and showers are gradually transferring away west transferring away from west to eeeh— transferring away from west to eeeh-ge— transferring away from west to eeeh-ge hhrehgh- transferring away from west to east go through the east as we go through the everhhghh— east as we go through the overnight-so- east as we go through the overnight so becoming overnight period. so becoming more-towards- overnight period. so becoming. more _towards-north more focussed towards the north me— more focussed towards the north ehe—ehrhhg- more focussed towards the north ehe—ehrhhg hhel and east of the uk during the eerhy— and east of the uk during the eerhy hehre— and east of the uk during the early hours of— and east of the uk during the early hours of monday, fewer ehevvee— early hours of monday, fewer showers then _ early hours of monday, fewer showers then towards the showers then out towards the veer—hhghh- showers then out towards the veer—hhghh .- showers then out towards thei west—night , some west later in the night, some eemerh— west later in the night, some dearer—ehe- west later in the night, some. clearer_ and turning clearer spells here and turning a clearer spells here and turning elehhhhy— clearer spells here and turning elehhhhy-eeme- clearer spells here and turning a chilly some rural a bit chilly across some rural ehehe— a bit chilly across some rural ehehe-hheee— a bit chilly across some rural. spots-those - spots spots across those western spots eeehh— spots across those western spots eehhe-hhhe— spots across those western spots could - into low _ spots across those western spots could into low single could dip into low single rhghree— could dip into low single rhghreelh— could dip into low single figures-10r— could dip into low single figures-1 or 2. - could dip into low single figures 1 or 2. very rural figures in 1 or 2. very rural heeehhene— figures in 1 or 2. very rural locations, but— figures in 1 or 2. very rural locations, but out towards the herhh— locations, but out towards the hem-eeeh— locations, but out towards the north east, generally, north and east, generally, temperatures— north and east, generally,- temperatures _with the north and east, generally,- tempeandres_with the north and east, generally,- tempe and the _with the north and east, generally, tempe and the showers with the north and east, generally, tempe and the showers and th the cloud and the showers and eehehhhy— cloud and the showers and eehehhhy e— cloud and the showers and certainly a pretty showery hhehhre— certainly a pretty showery eheee-ge- certainly a pretty showery picture-go into- certainly a pretty showery picture go into bank picture as we go into bank hehheey— picture as we go into bank holiday monday across central eeeemh— holiday monday across central eeeerhh eehe— holiday monday across central eastern parts england, or eastern parts of england, 1 or 2 ghhhe— eastern parts of england, 1 or 2 ghhhe-ehevere.- eastern parts of england, 1 or 2 quite-showers-bel quite heavy showers. could be the .thunderstorm - quite heavy showers. could be the thunderstorm around two the odd thunderstorm around two and the odd thunderstorm around two end eeme— the odd thunderstorm around two end emereh-- the odd thunderstorm around two and some-rain also- the odd thunderstorm around two and somits rain also the odd thunderstorm around two and somits in rain also the odd thunderstorm around two and somits in rain the working its way in from the herhh— working its way in from the- north _scotland working its way in from the- north_scotland . north across mainlade scotland. so north across mainland scotland. se—heeh- north across mainland scotland. se—heeh er- north across mainland scotland. so_best of the. so once again, the best of the ehhehhhe— so once again, the best of thei sunshine—better sunshine will be a much better day— sunshine will be a much better hey-eeh— sunshine will be a much better hey-eer eheee- day unfolding out across herhherh— day unfolding out across northern ireland, wales the northern ireland, wales and the eeuhh—veeh— northern ireland, wales and the south—west england the south—west of england in the eheheh— south—west of england in the. sunshine,_climbing sunshine, temperatures climbing into sunshine, temperatures climbing hhhe—eehhe- sunshine, temperatures climbing into—could see. into the high teens could see 18 or into the high teens could see 18 erleegreee— into the high teens could see 18 or. degrees down— into the high teens could see 18 or degrees down the or 19 degrees down towards the eehhh—eeeh. — or 19 degrees down towards the south—east. _in- south—east. 19 is 66. in fahrenheit— south—east. 19 is 66. in fahrenheit ,_ south—east. 19 is 66. in fahrenheit, but quite chilly up reverte— fahrenheit, but quite chilly up reveree-rer— fahrenheit, but quite chilly up towards far north—east and towards the far north—east and everhhghh— towards the far north—east and overnight-into- towards the far north—east and overnight into tuesday , overnight monday into tuesday, ehevvee— overnight monday into tuesday, showers continue _ overnight monday into tuesday, showers continue across those herhherh — showers continue across those herhherh me — showers continue across those northern and far— showers continue across those northern and far eastern areas. huh— northern and far eastern areas. huh-reverte— northern and far eastern areas. but-towards the- northern and far eastern areas. but towards the west, with but out towards the west, with hhgh— but out towards the west, with hhgh hreeere— but out towards the west, with high pressure-to- but out towards the west, with high pressure to build high pressure starting to build in, high pressure starting to build hh—hhehhre.- in, it's a quieter picture. hhere-hh— in, it's a quieter picture.- there'll_spells there'll be some clear spells

ehe— there'll be some clear spells and egehh— there'll be some clear spells and egehh-e- there'll be some clear spells and again, a little bit and again, turning a little bit ehhhhy— and again, turning a little biti ehhhhy—hhh chilly in some rural spots. but on chilly in some rural spots. but eh-vhehe.— chilly in some rural spots. but on whole, temperatures on the whole, just temperatures are on the whole, just temperatures ere-eehehhg— on the whole, just temperatures ere-eehehhg my— on the whole, just temperatures are causing any issues in are not causing any issues in me— are not causing any issues in he hheeeey— are not causing any issues in into tuesday itself, 1 or 2 ehevvee— into tuesday itself, 1 or 2 showers are _ into tuesday itself, 1 or 2 showers are still possible rhe— showers are still possible across the far— showers are still possible across the far north and across rhe— across the far north and across hheleeeh— across the far north and across hheleeeh er— across the far north and across the-east of the _ across the far north and across the east of the uk, but the far east of the uk, but eheevhere. — the far east of the uk, but elsewhere,-a- the far east of the uk, but elsewhere, a pretty good elsewhere, it's a pretty good day,— elsewhere, it's a pretty good hey-vhh- day, actually, with high- pressure-dominating pressure generally dominating here—meme- pressure generally dominating lots around patchy lots of sunshine around patchy eheee— lots of sunshine around patchy eheee hh— lots of sunshine around patchy cloud in places.— lots of sunshine around patchy cloud in places. but on the vhehe— cloud in places. but on the vhehe. e— cloud in places. but on the whole, a pretty— cloud in places. but on the whole, a pretty decent day and hemherehhree— whole, a pretty decent day and temperatures once climbing temperatures once again climbing into temperatures once again climbing hhhe—heehe- temperatures once again climbing hhhe—heehe hh- into the mid to high teens in eheee— into the mid to high teens in eheee huh— into the mid to high teens in places but still— into the mid to high teens in places but still quite chilly up reverte— places but still quite chilly up reveree-rer— places but still quite chilly up towards far north—east of towards the far north—east of seehehe— towards the far north—east of scotland where _ towards the far north—east of scotland where temperatures will ehrhgghe — scotland where temperatures will ehrhgghe—geee- struggle here. a pretty good eehehhhehe— struggle here. a pretty good conditions-on- struggle here. a pretty good conditions on wednesday, conditions still on wednesday, but conditions still on wednesday, huh—eee- conditions still on wednesday, huh—eee eemei conditions still on wednesday, but moving see some conditions still on wednesday, but moving in see some conditions still on wednesday, but moving in from see some conditions still on wednesday, but moving in from the some rain moving in from the southwest— rain moving in from the southwest turning windier southwest and turning windier hem—here from the southwest, too. later he— from the southwest, too. later hhhe-sherh— from the southwest, too. later this-start the - from the southwest, too. later this-start the day- from the southwest, too. later this start the day with gb this week. start the day with gb heve. — this week. start the day with gb heve. vee— this week. start the day with gb news. we catch— this week. start the day with gb news. we catch up— this week. start the day with gb news. we catch up on- this week. start the day with gb news. 33222; 2.52.5.“ c. h2h2“ this week. start the day with gb news. l. 2“ 2er news. we catch up on all the big stories you didn't hear the night before and take a look at what the world's talking about. this morning. that's right. monday thursdays from 6:00. monday to thursdays from 6:00. it's breakfast with eamonn and heeheh— it's breakfast with eamonn and isabel straight— it's breakfast with eamonn and isabel straight after breakfast. rem— isabel straight after breakfast. the he— isabel straight after breakfast. yehh he hev— isabel straight after breakfast. join us bev turner— isabel straight after breakfast. join us bev turner and- isabel straight after breakfast. join us bev turner and andrew pierce. we're going to take you through we'll be through till noon. we'll be tackling through till noon. we'll be. heehhhhg—hhe tackling the big topics of the day,— tackling the big topics of thei hey—hhgh day, including the things that the-channels- day, including the things that the channels just won't the other channels just won't hehh— the other channels just won't hehh-hhe— the other channels just won't talk it's happening, talk about. if it's happening, it's talk about. if it's happening, hhe hehhehhhg—

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