hours, starting from 72 hours, starting from midnight.— 72 hours, starting from midnight. although gunfire has been— midnight. although gunfire has been heard— midnight. although gunfire has been heard in— midnight. although gunfire has been heard in khartoum today , been heard in khartoum today, undermining— been heard in khartoum today, undermining the— been heard in khartoum today, undermining the current eeeeef-e— undermining the current eeeeef-e ,— undermining the current ceasefire , the- undermining the current ceasefire , the nurses union has ceasefire, the nurses union has relaxed— ceasefire, the nurses union has relaxed ee— ceasefire, the nurses union has relaxed its strike— ceasefire, the nurses union has relaxed its strike rules to ensure critical- relaxed its strike rules to ensure critical services will em— ensure critical services will still operate _ ensure critical services will still operate during a 28 hour walkout,— still operate during a 28 hour walkout, which— still operate during a 28 hour walkout, which starts at 8:00. nes— walkout, which starts at 8:00. was england— walkout, which starts at 8:00. nhs england says discussions wm.— nhs england says discussions with the— nhs england says discussions with the royal— nhs england says discussions with the royal college of nursing— with the royal college of nursing have— with the royal college of nursing have resulted in an agreement— nursing have resulted in an agreement for— nursing have resulted in an agreement for minimum staffing levele— agreement for minimum staffing levels ee— agreement for minimum staffing levels to be— agreement for minimum staffing levels to be provided as cover for me— levels to be provided as cover for we end— levels to be provided as cover for life and limb— levels to be provided as cover for life and limb services. they have— for life and limb services. they have eeneue— for life and limb services. they have serious concerns about patient— have serious concerns about patient safety. _ have serious concerns about patient safety. the public are being— patient safety. the public are being urged— patient safety. the public are bebng urged be— patient safety. the public are being urged to use the nhs ween— being urged to use the nhs nbeeby .— being urged to use the nhs nbeeby . ene— being urged to use the nhs wisely . the health secretary, wisely. the health secretary, bneben— wisely. the health secretary, bnebgn, says— wisely. the health secretary, though, says he's hopeful the debute— though, says he's hopeful the bbebbbe enn— though, says he's hopeful the dispute can be— though, says he's hopeful the dispute can be resolved later enn— dispute can be resolved later bnbe week.— dispute can be resolved later this week. the— dispute can be resolved later this week. the staff council is bee— this week. the staff council is be be— this week. the staff council is be be neeb— this week. the staff council is due to meet on— this week. the staff council is due to meet on tuesday. i'm enubbubb— due to meet on tuesday. i'm cautiously optimistic that the staff council will agree to then vote in favour of the deal, but i think it's right to wait until tuesday for the staff council to meet and this strike is premature . i think it's premature. i think it's disrespectful to the other trade unions. i think the rcn should have waited there. a member of

the staff council, they were part of the negotiations and as i part of the negotiations and as | , part of the negotiations and as i , pat cullen i say, pat cullen herself recommended this deal to her members . liz truss recommended this deal to her members. liz truss is recommended this deal to her members . liz truss is contesting members. liz truss is contesting a government bill relating to her use of a grace and favour country house while she was foreign secretary. the mail on sunny— foreign secretary. the mail on sunny ebebne— foreign secretary. the mail on sunday claims the _ obi; g cg the mail on sunday claims the former n:::n”n:i; g cg the mail on sunday claims the former prime nbnbeben— sunday claims the former prime nbnbeben nee— sunday claims the former prime minister has been— sunday claims the former prime minister has been asked to pay around— minister has been asked to pay around £12,000— minister has been asked to pay around £12,000 back for costs bnebneb— around £12,000 back for costs bnebneb eb— around £12,000 back for costs incurred at the— around £12,000 back for costs incurred at the evening estate incurred at the evening estate bn kenn— incurred at the evening estate bn kenn .— incurred at the evening estate bn kenn . n...— incurred at the evening estate in kent . the invoice covers the in kent. the invoice covers the bened— in kent. the invoice covers the beneb been— in kent. the invoice covers the period last summer when she was ngnbng— period last summer when she was ngnnng bne— period last summer when she was fighting the conservative beebenenbb— fighting the conservative leadership election against been— leadership election against rishi sunak_ leadership election against rishi sunak for— leadership election against rishi sunak for her short lived premiership-— rishi sunak for her short lived premiership. now the bill is largely— premiership. now the bill is bengeby ner— premiership. now the bill is largely for hospitality, but ebb— largely for hospitality, but also includes— largely for hospitality, but also includes missing items such as bebbnebee— also includes missing items such as bathrobes. ms— also includes missing items such as bathrobes. ms truss says it mostly— as bathrobes. ms truss says it mostly relates— as bathrobes. ms truss says it mostly relates to— as bathrobes. ms truss says it mostly relates to official government _ mostly relates to official government business rather than beneeneb— government business rather than personal expenses— government business rather than personal expenses . as a manhunt personal expenses. as a manhunt is personal expenses. as a manhunt be engebne— personal expenses. as a manhunt be ongoing bn— personal expenses. as a manhunt is ongoing in texas— personal expenses. as a manhunt is ongoing in texas for a gunman nne-e— is ongoing in texas for a gunman nne-e ebebeebeb— is ongoing in texas for a gunman who's suspected of— is ongoing in texas for a gunman who's suspected of killing five of ne— who's suspected of killing five of his neighbours, including an ebgnb— of his neighbours, including an ebgnb yen— of his neighbours, including an ebgnb yen ebb— of his neighbours, including an eight year old boy on friday. bobbe— eight year old boy on friday. bebee bn— eight year old boy on friday. police in the— eight year old boy on friday. police in the united states say the police in the united states say be vbebbne— police in the united states say the victims were— police in the united states say the victims were shot dead when the victims were shot dead when

bne fanny— the victims were shot dead when the family asked— the victims were shot dead when the family asked francisco obebeze— the family asked francisco onebeze be— the family asked francisco oropeza to stop firing a semi—automatic weapon in his garden.— semi—automatic weapon in his garden. bne— semi—automatic weapon in his garden. the suspect , who's garden. the suspect, who's nexbeen— garden. the suspect, who's nexbeen be— garden. the suspect, who's mexican, is believed to have fled— mexican, is believed to have fled bne— mexican, is believed to have fled the united— mexican, is believed to have fled the united states . the fled the united states. the bnbben— fled the united states. the british army— fled the united states. the british army has begun rehearsals— british army has begun rehearsals for the coronation of nbng— rehearsals for the coronation of nbng cnenee— rehearsals for the coronation of king charles as— rehearsals for the coronation of king charles as soldiers from all divisions— king charles as soldiers from all divisions of— king charles as soldiers from all divisions of the armed force— all divisions of the armed forces have— all divisions of the armed forces have been gathering at bnbnbne— forces have been gathering at training areas— forces have been gathering at training areas across south bonbon— training areas across south bonbon bo— training areas across south london to prepare for what's bbbeby— london to prepare for what's bbeby bo— london to prepare for what's bbeby bo be— london to prepare for what's likely to be the— london to prepare for what's likely to be the biggest ceremonial— likely to be the biggest ceremonial event of their careers. soldiers have flown none— careers. soldiers have flown bone from — careers. soldiers have flown home from operational duties or bnbnbne— home from operational duties or training exercises— home from operational duties or training exercises from as far enem— training exercises from as far obbebb oe— training exercises from as far afield as cyprus,— training exercises from as far afield as cyprus, iraq and bebonbo— afield as cyprus, iraq and bebonbo bo— afield as cyprus, iraq and estonia to represent their negbnenbe— estonia to represent their regiments at— estonia to represent their regiments at the event on the bone— regiments at the event on the sbone ob— regiments at the event on the stone of destiny— regiments at the event on the stone of destiny has been nebeoneb— stone of destiny has been welcomed to— stone of destiny has been welcomed to england in a special ceremony ahead— welcomed to england in a special ceremony ahead of— welcomed to england in a special ceremony ahead of the coronation it ceremony ahead of the coronation bb bobee— ceremony ahead of the coronation bb bobee boob— ceremony ahead of the coronation it dates back to— ceremony ahead of the coronation it dates back to the— ceremony ahead of the coronation it dates back to the 12th eenbbn— it dates back to the 12th eenbbn one— it dates back to the 12th century and is- it dates back to the 12th century and is normally on obebboy— century and is normally on obebboy ob— century and is normally on display at edinburgh castle . it display at edinburgh castle. it nbbb— display at edinburgh castle. it nbbb ebb— display at edinburgh castle. it will sit under— display at edinburgh castle. it will sit under the king's throne nexb— will sit under the king's throne nexb week— will sit under the king's throne next week and— will sit under the king's throne next week and it— will sit under the king's throne next week and it has been used in next week and it has been used bn eoonoboneb— next week and it has been used in coronations for— next week and it has been used in coronations for almost a bnobeonb— in coronations for almost a thousand years— in coronations for almost a thousand years .- in coronations for almost a thousand years . online dab and

thousand years. online dab and bone— thousand years. online dab and bone bn— thousand years. online dab and bone bn boob.— thousand years. online dab and tune in radio. this— thousand years. online dab and tune in radio. this is gb news. bub— tune in radio. this is gb news. bub no— tune in radio. this is gb news. bub bb— tune in radio. this is gb news. bub bb be— tune in radio. this is gb news. but now it is time— tune in radio. this is gb news. but now it is time for free sbeeon— but now it is time for free speech nation— but now it is time for free speech nation .- but now it is time for free speech nation . where speech nation. where. the ebonbbon— speech nation. where. the guardian is— speech nation. where. the guardian is accused of anti—semitism. guardian is accused of- anti—semitism. another woman guardian is accused of— anti—semitism. another woman is de—platformed at the university of bristol and the canadian government cracks down on free speech again , this is free speech again, this is free speech again, this is free speech nation . speech nation. welcome to free speech nation. with me andrew doyle- — speech nation. with me andrew boybe bnbe— speech nation. with me andrew boybe. we be— speech nation. with me andrew doyle. this is the show where we take a look at current affairs, politics and that interminable culture war whose existence is denied by its chief antagonists. coming up on the show tonight is been— coming up on the show tonight is bnexbb being— coming up on the show tonight is brexit being betrayed? we're going— brexit being betrayed? we're eobnglebeob— brexit being betrayed? we're going-speakla- brexit being betrayed? we're going speak a former going to speak to a former conservative— going to speak to a former conservative and ukip mp who led the conservative and ukip mp who led bne eobee— conservative and ukip mp who led bne bo— conservative and ukip mp who led the cause to leave— conservative and ukip mp who led the cause to leave the european unon— the cause to leave the european unbon .— the cause to leave the european unbon . noe— the cause to leave the european union . has therapy gone woke ? union. has therapy gone woke? webb— union. has therapy gone woke? web-bo— union. has therapy gone woke? we-bb-bo o— union. has therapy gone woke? we'll-to a leading- we'll speak to a leading psychologist—

we'll speak to a leading psychologist psychotherapist we'll speak to a leading psych(whether psychotherapist we'll speak to a leading psych(whether treatment herapist we'll speak to a leading psych(whether treatment israpist about whether treatment is bonne— about whether treatment is bobbne on— about whether treatment is taking an activist turn . plus, taking an activist turn. plus, we nove— taking an activist turn. plus, we have an exclusive interview onbb— we have an exclusive interview nbbn eeobb— we have an exclusive interview with scott nugent, a woman who bnonebbboneb— with scott nugent, a woman who transitioned to— with scott nugent, a woman who transitioned to a— with scott nugent, a woman who transitioned to a trans man at be— transitioned to a trans man at be age— transitioned to a trans man at be age ob— transitioned to a trans man at be age ob oz.— transitioned to a trans man at the age of 42. scott has had to recover from several near—death ebeneneee— recover from several near—death experiences during— recover from several near—death experiences during the process onb— experiences during the process and neveoeb— experiences during the process and reveals all— experiences during the process and reveals all later in the ebon— and reveals all later in the enon. ano— and reveals all later in the show. and i've— and reveals all later in the show. and i've got wonderful ebbbbo— show. and i've got wonderful studio-tonight.- show. and i've got wonderful studio tonight. i've got studio guests tonight. i've got the studio guests tonight. i've got bne—boen- studio guests tonight. i've got the—josh howie- the comedians josh howie and creeebbo— the comedians josh howie and cressida wetton,_ the comedians josh howie and cressida wetton, who . welcome cressida wetton, who. welcome bobb— cressida wetton, who. welcome bobn . — cressida wetton, who. welcome bobn . abe— cressida wetton, who. welcome bobn . be you— cressida wetton, who. welcome both . are you well,- cressida wetton, who. welcome both . ' ”cl ix ”xiii“ �*r' cressida wetton, who. welcome both. , both. are you well, josh? i'm good. it was my daughter's seventh birthday party today. oh, that's nice. so you're here instead? yeah exactly. it's happy. i'll see you 3“ “43?" exec“? it's happy. i'll see you later, guys . bee— happy. i'll see you later, guys . see yon— happy. i'll see you later, guys . see you, suckers.— happy. i'll see you later, guys . see you, suckers. that's a goon— . see you, suckers. that's a good eobee— . see you, suckers. that's a good excuse earlier. and i broke my- — good excuse earlier. and i broke mv- -been— good excuse earlier. and i broke my.-been dieting- good excuse earlier. and i broke my.-been dieting ,- good excuse earlier. and i broke my. been dieting , and i had my. i've been dieting, and i had ob— my. i've been dieting, and i had ob bne— my. i've been dieting, and i had some of the chocolate. you had bne— some of the chocolate. you had bne-nob— some of the chocolate. you had bne-nob bne— some of the chocolate. you had the-had the cake. - some of the chocolate. you had the had the cake. and the cake? i had the cake. and bnen— the cake? i had the cake. and bnen ._ the cake? i had the cake. and then i-totally- the cake? i had the cake. and then i totally crazy. yeah, then i went totally crazy. yeah, bub— then i went totally crazy. yeah, bub-bne— then i went totally crazy. yeah, but -the - diets- then i went totally crazy. yeah, but -the - diets , i but you do the crash diets, eon-b— but you do the crash diets, eon-b you?— but you do the crash diets, don't you?-it.- but you do the crash diets, don't you? it. and then i don't you? that's it. and then i beb— don't you? that's it. and then i be obe— don't you? that's it. and then i just ate everything. and all the bonenbe—ob- just ate everything. and all the parents—of-now.| just ate everything. and all the. parents—of-now. so parents are scared of me now. so i parents are scared of me now. so bbnbnb— parents are scared of me now. so bbnbnb bnob-e— parents are scared of me now. so i think that's fair— parents are scared of me now. so i think that's fair enough. ni i think that's fair enough. he booe— i think that's fair enough. he be e— i think that's fair enough. he be n we— i think that's fair enough. he lives a life of— i think that's fair enough. he lives a life of extremes. - i think that's fair enough. he lives a life of extremes. does josh, yeah. you are josh, right? yeah. you are a less of an extreme ist. yeah, i went for a bit of— less of an extreme ist. yeah, i went for a bit of a— less of an extreme ist. yeah, i went for a bit of a walk- went for a bit of a walk eonben— went for a bit of a walk eonben o—

went for a bit of a walk earlier, a bit- went for a bit of a walk earlier, a bit more relaxed. i noven-b— earlier, a bit more relaxed. i haven't been— earlier, a bit more relaxed. i haven't been to— earlier, a bit more relaxed. i haven't been to any children's bbnnboy— haven't been to any children's birthday parties— haven't been to any children's birthday parties today. that's obobb— birthday parties today. that's obobb-veon. - birthday parties today. that's about yeah. robbie. about it. yeah. yeah. well, bnnb-e— about it. yeah. yeah. well, bnnb-e ene— about it. yeah. yeah. well, that's the live. anyway, that's the way to live. anyway, we're start tonight we're going to start tonight because some lovely because we've got some a lovely studio audience and they've studio audience here and they've normally questions. normally got some questions. we've a question rick. we've got a question from rick. where hi rick. hello. where is rick? hi rick. hello. does the left have— where is rick? hi rick. hello. does the left have an- does the left have an anti—semitism problem? does the left have an— anti—semitism problem? okay. and bnebe-e— anti—semitism problem? okay. and bnebe-e been— anti—semitism problem? okay. and there's been two _ anti—semitism problem? okay. and there's been two stories that relate this this week, of relate to this this week, of course, now course, the guardian has now apologised cartoon apologised after a cartoon depicting the bbc's outgoing chairman, sharp , was chairman, richard sharp, was criticised anti—semitic. chairman, richard sharp, was criticised anti—semitic . we criticised as anti—semitic. we see view of the cartoon. see the view of the cartoon. there for and course earlier there for and of course earlier in the week labour mp diane abbott suspended after abbott was suspended after suggesting that jewish irish and traveller people were not subjected to racism and that was in a letter to the observer newspaper . but there's a lot to newspaper. but there's a lot to unpack here. joshua. let's start with the cartoon. what do you make of i mean, the original question, does left have question, does the left have anti—semitism it? it's anti—semitism within it? it's like, let's just go. you like, okay, let's just go. you got— like, okay, let's just go. you gob bno— like, okay, let's just go. you got two hours. _ like, okay, let's just go. you got two hours. so like, okay, let's just go. you got two hours. �*c�*qfg so i like, okay, let's just go. you got two hours. so i think got two hours. okay. so i think i got two hours. okay. so i think bbnbnb— got two hours. okay. so i think bbnbnb yob— got two hours. okay. so i think bbnbnk you eon— got two hours. okay. so i think i think you can just— got two hours. so i think i think you can just sum up the boeb— i think you can just sum up the boeb eve— i think you can just sum up the last seven years— i think you can just sum up the last seven years of— i think you can just sum up the last seven years of my life. but yes,— last seven years of my life. but vee bnbe— last seven years of my life. but yes, this cartoon,— last seven years of my life. but yes, this cartoon, i— last seven years of my life. but yes, this cartoon, i mean, let me— yes, this cartoon, i mean, let me nove— yes, this cartoon, i mean, let me nove nv— yes, this cartoon, i mean, let me have my look— yes, this cartoon, i mean, let me have my look at i've got some

nobee— me have my look at i've got some nobee neve— me have my look at i've got some notes here about— me have my look at i've got some notes here about it.— me have my look at i've got some notes here about it. it's noeebvebv— notes here about it. it's massively anti—semitic . notes here about it. it's— massively anti—semitic . so when massively anti—semitic. so when i massively anti—semitic. so when . env— massively anti—semitic. so when . n.— massively anti—semitic. so when . bb. ._ massively anti—semitic. so when beevv b. b nneen— massively anti—semitic. so when i saw it, i mean, it's so clear, you know, you can't escape the anti—semitic tropes. you anti—semitic tropes. when you look guardian editor or look at your guardian editor or a cartoonist. so this is the question. pollard question. so stephen pollard from chronicle posed from the jewish chronicle posed this question online, and i thought quite interesting. thought it's quite interesting. he him wasn't he says the issue for him wasn't even the cartoon. it was even so much the cartoon. it was why that went through, because, i cartoonist , we i mean, the cartoonist, we should martin rowson, should say, martin rowson, has apologised said that none of apologised and said that none of this was intentional, none of the imagery was intentional. multiple examples of anti—semitic were anti—semitic imagery were intentionally— anti—semitic imagery were. intentionally—even anti—semitic imagery were- intentionally_even if intentionally right. but even if bneb-e— intentionally right. but even if webs-eene— intentionally right. but even if that's case, that that's the case, why would that someone not see that? absolutely. and what does that what does that suggest about the way his apology has been slightly undermined by it's slightly undermined by a it's not 100% confirmed, but a whatsapp message just whatsapp message that's just come with him that come out with him saying that people of people are just kind of offensiveness in the eye and beholder. and he's trying to eon— beholder. and he's trying to eon ob— beholder. and he's trying to eon ob nee— beholder. and he's trying to sort of he's also— : and he's trying to sort of he's also liking a lot of sort of he's also liking a lot ob bveebe— sort of he's also liking a lot of tweets where _ sort of he's also liking a lot of tweets where people are eevbne — of tweets where people are eevbne bneb— of tweets where people are saying that people are being bbenoneeb— saying that people are being dishonest when— saying that people are being dishonest when they're claiming it's anti semitic. so i'm just eevbne— it's anti semitic. so i'm just eevbnelbon-b— it's anti semitic. so i'm just saying don't necessarily in saying i don't necessarily go in on me— saying i don't necessarily go in on nbe apology-— saying i don't necessarily go in on his apology. what are the bvobeee— on his apology. what are the bnobeee bne—

on his apology. what are the tropes? the tropes are you've got— tropes? the tropes are you've gob-seneb— tropes? the tropes are you've gob-seneble- tropes? the tropes are you've got sunak a puppet in got rishi sunak as a puppet in the got rishi sunak as a puppet in be box.— got rishi sunak as a puppet in the box. you've— got rishi sunak as a puppet in the box. you've squid, the box. you've got the squid, vnben— the box. you've got the squid, vnbenlbbbe— the box. you've got the squid, which-like an— the box. you've got the squid, which-like an age- the box. you've got the squid, which like an age old which is like an age old anti—semitic— which is like an age old anti—semitic image, like the benbeebee— anti—semitic image, like the tentacles of _ anti—semitic image, like the tentacles of the _ anti—semitic image, like the tentacles of the squid. you've got— tentacles of the squid. you've gob-gobbb — tentacles of the squid. you've gob-gobbb bov— tentacles of the squid. you've got gold. now he's saying, got this gold. now he's saying, oh, got this gold. now he's saying, on, bbeee— got this gold. now he's saying, oh, these, these— got this gold. now he's saying, oh, these, these yellow things een-b— oh, these, these yellow things eenbee-— oh, these, these yellow things aren't-were-hel aren't they were actually, he eeve—eobnei aren't they were actually, he. eeev—obone. bb says they're not gold coins. if you— says they're not gold coins. if you book— says they're not gold coins. if you book eb— says they're not gold coins. if you book eb bb— says they're not gold coins. if you look at it, it— says they're not gold coins. if you look at it, it doesn't make sense. -obviously. - you look at it, it doesn't make sense. obviously. so all of sense. it's obviously. so all of be— sense. it's obviously. so all of bnbeieen— sense. it's obviously. so all of this.can.back- sense. it's obviously. so all of this.can.back and- sense. it's obviously. so all of this can back and we can't this we can go back and we can't eeob— this we can go back and we can't eeb-ane— this we can go back and we can't eeb-and vob-ve- this we can go back and we can't read -and you've got. read as much. and you've got a peon— read as much. and you've got a beon vno-e— read as much. and you've got a person who's jewish and his his beebbvee— person who's jewish and his his features being— person who's jewish and his his features being overly exaggerated dark, exaggerated and this dark, evenbbv—bbel exaggerated and this dark,- swarthy,_big lipped swarthy, big nosed, big lipped jew-_ swarthy, big nosed, big lipped bee-bneee- swarthy, big nosed, big lipped bee-bneee be- swarthy, big nosed, big lipped jew. image is like could jew. and the image is like could be beben— jew. and the image is like could be beben onb— jew. and the image is like could be taken out straight out of bee. — be taken out straight out of bee. so— be taken out straight out of bee. so-be- be taken out straight out of 1930. so-is this- be taken out straight out of 1930. so-is this is. be taken out straight out of 1930. so this is this is why, you know, if people are arguing about was going on in the about what was going on in the cartoonist mind, it is cartoonist mind, actually it is more that people saw more important that people saw that and that's fine , we that and thought that's fine, we can that, you know, that and thought that's fine, we can surelyat, you know, that and thought that's fine, we can surely they u know, that and thought that's fine, we can surely they must w, that and thought that's fine, we can surely they must have because surely they must have seen what you're saying . people seen what you're saying. people make people seen what you're saying. people make-people have- make mistakes. people have- unconscious-whatever. unconscious racism or whatever. beb— unconscious racism or whatever. bub-ene— unconscious racism or whatever. bub-end b— unconscious racism or whatever. bub-end b ee- unconscious racism or whatever. but and i saw someone but if that if and i saw someone neve— but if that if and i saw someone nebe-bobnb— but if that if and i saw someone make-point online,- but if that if and i saw someone make point online, if he'd make this point online, if he'd been— make this point online, if he'd bvevn bone— make this point online, if he'd drawn boris johnson as a gorilla or drawn boris johnson as a gorilla on eonebbbne— drawn boris johnson as a gorilla or something. yes.— drawn boris johnson as a gorilla or something. yes. like people vobben-b— or something. yes. like people vobben-b-bbb— or something. yes. like people wouldn't-but if— or something. yes. like people wouldn't but if he'd drawn wouldn't be. but if he'd drawn someone who— wouldn't be. but if he'd drawn someone who was— wouldn't be. but if he'd drawn someone who was black as a eonbbe— someone who was black as a gorilla, everyone— someone who was black as a gorilla, everyone would be like, bneb-e— gorilla, everyone would be like, bneb-e-obb.— gorilla, everyone would be like, that's-out. that's- that's it, you're out. that's neebeb. — that's it, you're out. that's neebeb. so— that's it, you're out. that's racist. so -they- that's it, you're out. that's racist. so they not racist. so why are they not

eeebne—eene- racist. so why are they not- seeing_same imagery seeing exactly the same imagery bneb-e— seeing exactly the same imagery bneb-e evbebeb— seeing exactly the same imagery that's existed hundreds that's existed for hundreds of venee— that's existed for hundreds of years? bvneb— that's existed for hundreds of years? what do _ that's existed for hundreds of years? what do make of this years? what do you make of this one-b— years? what do you make of this one-b-bb- years? what do you make of this one-b-bb ebee- years? what do you make of this. one,-i-it does seem one, chris? i mean, it does seem like, yeah, it's anti—semitic. bingo, isn't it? check, bingo, isn't it? check, check, oneeb— bingo, isn't it? check, check, check, check.— bingo, isn't it? check, check, check, check. spectacular. and even— check, check. spectacular. and ebven-bne— check, check. spectacular. and given the guardian is so given that the guardian is so eenebbbve— given that the guardian is so. sensitive _other sensitive in general about other bnbnee— sensitive in general about other bnbnee be— sensitive in general about other things is astonishing that it got things is astonishing that it gob bnnoben— things is astonishing that it got through that so many people. but got through that so many people. bub-bev— got through that so many people. bub-key bomb.- but that's the key point, though, they though, isn't it? they are hypersensitive seeing hypersensitive, often seeing racism and homophobia where they're there . but when they they're not there. but when they have something which so have something which is so clearly peddling anti—semitic tropes, they don't anything. tropes, they don't do anything. i it's just tropes, they don't do anything. i it'sjust stunning. i i mean, it's just stunning. i can't believe they must have i een-b— can't believe they must have i een-b-bnev— can't believe they must have i can't-they didn't- can't believe they didn't boeeee— can't believe they didn't foresee backlash. can't believe they didn't- foresee-backlash. so i'm foresee this backlash. so i'm confused— foresee this backlash. so i'm confused about— foresee this backlash. so i'm confused about that. why is there that just is there this is that just this is it. it's hypocrisy of the it. it's the hypocrisy of the en — it. it's the hypocrisy of the en one — it. it's the hypocrisy of the left. and i'm— . it's the hypocrisy of the left. and i'm from the left . and left. and i'm from the left. and be— left. and i'm from the left. and bnbe be— left. and i'm from the left. and bnbe be vneb— left. and i'm from the left. and this is what has— left. and i'm from the left. and this is what has amazed me over bneee— this is what has amazed me over bneee beeb— this is what has amazed me over these last years— this is what has amazed me over these last years is— this is what has amazed me over these last years is they don't bnev— these last years is they don't be ennob— these last years is they don't they cannot be— these last years is they don't they cannot be self—critical . they cannot be self—critical. bee. — they cannot be self—critical. bee. bne— they cannot be self—critical. bee. nnob bnev— they cannot be self—critical. yes. and they cannot accept bnebv— yes. and they cannot accept bnebv on— yes. and they cannot accept their own failings. and that's nov— their own failings. and that's nov obo— their own failings. and that's now do vou— their own failings. and that's how do you grow— their own failings. and that's how do you grow from that if you if how do you grow from that if you b yon-ve— how do you grow from that if you if you're perfect,— how do you grow from that if you if you're perfect, if— how do you grow from that if you if you're perfect, if you're automatically— if you're perfect, if you're automatically on right side automatically on the right side of automatically on the right side ob-bn— automatically on the right side ob-bn even— automatically on the right side ob-bn evevv vev. - automatically on the right side of in every way. and we of history in every way. and we enobbb— of history in every way. and we enobbb-bne— of history in every way. and we should the guardian got should say that the guardian got in should say that the guardian got bn-bebove— should say that the guardian got bn-beforela- should say that the guardian got in-before.a cartoon. in trouble before for a cartoon beeb— in trouble before for a cartoon beeb-on— in trouble before for a cartoon beeb-on webb— in trouble before for a cartoon last-oh, well, the- in trouble before for a cartoon last oh, well, the cartoon last week. oh, well, the cartoon of last week. oh, well, the cartoon ob-bebeb— last week. oh, well, the cartoon ob-bebeble—

last week. oh, well, the cartoon of-patelia bull- last week. oh, well, the cartoon of-patelia bull and- last week. oh, well, the cartoon of patel a bull and of of priti patel as a bull and of course,-hindu- of priti patel as a bull and of course, hindu and of priti patel as a bull and of. course, - hindu and - has course, she's hindu and that has all course, she's hindu and that has ebb eone— course, she's hindu and that has ebb eone ob— course, she's hindu and that has all sorts of comments. ' n: all sorts of comments. and eeebn— all sorts of comments. and eeebn. vou— all sorts of comments. and again, you could say, well, the cartoonist might have known cartoonist might not have known she or why she was hindu or whatever. why didn't someone that? didn't someone see that? absolutely. well, so absolutely. well, if they're so eenebbbve— absolutely. well, if they're so sensitive about— absolutely. well, if they're so sensitive about all— ' enieyn well, if they're so sensitive about all these other bbbnee— things. exactly. sensitivity, bne— things. exactly. sensitivity,- bne—vnv the anti—racist, why does why are the anti—racist, why does why eve-nob— the anti—racist, why does why are - not anti —racist - the anti—racist, why does why are not anti—racist in are they not anti—racist in bneee— are they not anti—racist in these instances? and we had bbene— these instances? and we had diane abbott— these instances? and we had diane abbott last week and eeebn— diane abbott last week and eeebn bnev— diane abbott last week and again, they went through the bbbne— again, they went through the bnbng, vou— again, they went through the thing, you know, supposedly it nev— thing, you know, supposedly it was her first— thing, you know, supposedly it was her first draft, even though it was her first draft, even though bb-bneb— was her first draft, even though bb-bneb ebe-bb- was her first draft, even though it-that she'd sent- was her first draft, even though it that she'd sent it it found out that she'd sent it in it found out that she'd sent it bn e— it found out that she'd sent it bn e weev— it found out that she'd sent it in a week earlier.— it found out that she'd sent it in a week earlier. and to so be— in a week earlier. and to so that-apologv- - in a week earlier. and to so that apology. ivy in a week earlier. and to so that apology. hwy, ; g in a week earlier. and to so that apology. ivy n: n: that her apology. why did you send first draft into the send a first draft into the observer week and then observer a week early and then then sent it again three then she sent it again three hours later. and why did you do a hours later. and why did you do ebbneb— hours later. and why did you do a first draft? _ hours later. and why did you do a first draft? deny— and why did you do a first draft? z�*bniy ”ec. si�*7 and why did you do a first draft? z�*bniy ”int. bini�*7 a first draft? deny racism? been— a first draft? deny racism? been ob— a first draft? deny racism? yeah, of course.— a first draft? deny racism? yeah, of course. i— a first draft? z�*bniy ”it bini�*7 yeah, of course. i mean, it just boeen-b— yeah, of course. i mean, it just boeen-b-eenee.- yeah, of course. i mean, it just doesn't-sense. her- yeah, of course. i mean, it just doesn't sense. her apology doesn't make sense. her apology at doesn't make sense. her apology eb-eeebn— doesn't make sense. her apology eb-eeebn bne— doesn't make sense. her apology at again, the guardian, it at and again, the guardian, it venb— at and again, the guardian, it venb bnvoben— at and again, the guardian, it went through the _ at and again, the guardian, it went through the process. it venb— went through the process. it went—editors. . went through the process. iti went—editors. no went through the process. it- went_editors. no one went through the editors. no one for went through the editors. no one bo—bnn- went through the editors. no one bo—bnn bbene- for that week said, um, there veelbnbne— for that week said, um, there waslthing called- for that week said, um, there was thing called the holocaust was a thing called the holocaust bneb— was a thing called the holocaust bneb vou— was a thing called the holocaust bneb yon-venb— was a thing called the holocaust that you -want to - was a thing called the holocaust that you want to have a that you might want to have a book— that you might want to have a boob-enob— that you might want to have a look-and maybe— that you might want to have a look and maybe redo it. so look at and maybe redo it. so bbe— look at and maybe redo it. so bb-e-bne— look at and maybe redo it. so it's-the frustration- look at and maybe redo it. so it's the frustration is it's this is the frustration is be— it's this is the frustration is be bbe— it's this is the frustration is that it's amongst you know, that it's amongst my, you know, the that it's amongst my, you know, bne-bneb— that it's amongst my, you know, bne-bneb b— that it's amongst my, you know, the-that i grew- that it's amongst my, you know, the-that i grew up- that it's amongst my, you know, the that i grew up in, the the world that i grew up in, the bone— the world that i grew up in, the vonbblbbve— the world that i grew up in, the world i live i of _ the world that i grew up in, the worldllive.of-on. world i live in, of people on bne— world i live in, of people on be ben— world i live in, of people on the left who _ world i live in, of people on the left who just— world i live in, of people on the left who just cannot face bnbe— the left who just cannot face bnbe ebbbb. — the left who just cannot face this stuff. but—

the left who just cannot face this stuff. but keir- the left who just cannot face this stuff. ” this stuff. but keir starmer, labour immediately labour party immediately suspended. yes so suspended. diane abbott. yes so there people now, but it's there are people now, but it's been— there are people now, but it's bebenlnbon— there are people now, but it's taken-much, but- there are people now, but it's taken much, but there are taken so much, but there are ebbbb— taken so much, but there are ebbbb beobbe— taken so much, but there are still people clinging on. cenebnbv— still people clinging on. certainly people still people clinging on. certainly-people far certainly the people on the far bebb— certainly the people on the far bebb vno — certainly the people on the far left who -they're, - certainly the people on the far left who they're, they're left who just they're, they're so left who just they're, they're eo —vbbnbn- left who just they're, they're so _within their. left who just they're, they're. so _within their own so entrenched within their own vonnbneee— so entrenched within their own worthiness and— so entrenched within their own worthiness and goodness that bnev— worthiness and goodness that be ennob— worthiness and goodness that they cannot accept that they eobbb — they cannot accept that they eobbb bn— they cannot accept that they eobbb bn env— they cannot accept that they could in any way— they cannot accept that they could in any way have anything to could in any way have anything bo-neoben— could in any way have anything to racism themselves. to do with racism themselves. so to do with racism themselves. solbb— to do with racism themselves. solbb be— to do with racism themselves. solbb be bb— to do with racism themselves. solbb be bb nob— to do with racism themselves. solit is it not the— to do with racism themselves. solit is it not the case- to do with racism themselves. so is it is it not the case that racism of all forms can exist irrespective of people's political leanings? mean, political leanings? i mean, surely surely. yeah. i surely that's surely. yeah. i mean,icouldn't_ emil; ix.”ni.«n yeah. i mean, couldn't possibly say mean, i couldn't possibly say bb— mean, i couldn't possibly say bb een-b— mean, i couldn't possibly say no, it can't-of- mean, i couldn't possibly say no, it can't of course it mean, i couldn't possibly say no, exist.t of course it mean, i couldn't possibly say no, exist. of course it mean, i couldn't possibly say no, exist. "

ancestors were appalling. did ancestors were appalling. so did all of things. no, this is all sorts of things. no, this is again , this is from the guardian again, this is from the guardian again, this is from the guardian again of course, these are they've discovered that direct ancestors of king charles and the royal family bought and exploited enslaved people on tobacco plantations in virginia. so they're looking they've been trawling through and finding out all of the various things. my question here is, why did you have to that study? it's have to do that study? it's obviously the case we're all descended who were descended from people who were involved in one way involved in slavery in one way or everyone and the or another. everyone and the royal especially royal family, especially aristocrats. are you kidding me? what? what why bother? yeah. i mean , i think. ithink- what? what why bother? yeah. i mean , i think. i think we- �*bfvb 7 �*bfvbi �*bfvby ”7” yeah. i mean , i think. i think we all. mean, i think. i think we all. it mean, i think. i think we all. bb ee— mean, i think. i think we all. it was. anybody— mean, i think. i think we all. it was. anybody shocked? i eenb— it was. anybody shocked? i eenb b— it was. anybody shocked? i wasn't. i wasn't— it was. anybody shocked? i wasn't. i wasn't shocked. and ebeo— wasn't. i wasn't shocked. and ebeo bveeb— wasn't. i wasn't shocked. and also direct. i— wasn't. i wasn't shocked. and also direct. i mean, it's not be— also direct. i mean, it's not be died,— also direct. i mean, it's not that direct, is— also direct. i mean, it's not that direct, is it?- also direct. i mean, it's not that direct, is it? it's a bebvbv— that direct, is it? it's a bebnbv e— that direct, is it? it's a fairly a fairly- that direct, is it? it's a fairly a fairly long way off. beb— fairly a fairly long way off. bub ob— fairly a fairly long way off. but of course— fairly a fairly long way off. but of course it's exactly what yon-b— but of course it's exactly what you'd-find-- but of course it's exactly what you'd-find. and- but of course it's exactly what you'd find. and say. you'd expect to find. and say. why?— you'd expect to find. and say. why? wen,— you'd expect to find. and say. why? well, he's— you'd expect to find. and say. why? well, he's charles has he's bnbeveebee— why? well, he's charles has he's bnbeneebebb bn— why? well, he's charles has he's interested in this— why? well, he's charles has he's interested in this isn't it. ne-e— interested in this isn't it. he's peddling- interested in this isn't it. he's peddling it. so b/nibin 'n: he's peddling it. so yes. and bneb-e— he's peddling it. so yes. and we e— he's peddling it. so yes. and we e very— he's peddling it. so yes. and that's a very good point. he's sort of encouraging this. but i come back to this point, you know, if you're going to go back in into the past and find

everyone's ancestors, us everyone's ancestors, none of us are and we're all are innocent and we're all a combination people who were combination of people who were enslaved slavers. you enslaved and or slavers. you know. exactly. the know. so, yeah, exactly. the beobbe— know. so, yeah, exactly. the beobbe-vnoee- know. so, yeah, exactly. the people-whose have- so, yeah, exactly. the people whose have have both people who whose have have both beobbe— people who whose have have both beobbe-bobn— people who whose have have both beobbe-bobn ob— people who whose have have both people both of them. so people have both of them. so veen— people have both of them. so veen b— people have both of them. so yeah b neen— people have both of them. so yeah b b— people have both of them. so yeah, i mean, i think there bneee— yeah, i mean, i think there bnene nee— yeah, i mean, i think there there he's got— yeah, i mean, i think there there he's got a- yeah, i mean, i think there there he's got a direct to this peon— there he's got a direct to this beeo non — there he's got a direct to this person from 1686— there he's got a direct to this person from 1686 or something enb— person from 1686 or something enob-ob— person from 1686 or something enob-ob bbe— person from 1686 or something and-of did the- person from 1686 or something and of did the maths and and i sort of did the maths and it's and i sort of did the maths and be ebobb— and i sort of did the maths and it's about two _ and i sort of did the maths and it's about two so— and i sort of did the maths and it's about two so he's got 2000 enob— it's about two so he's got 2000 enob bveeb— it's about two so he's got 2000 and direct descendants. yes from bneb— and direct descendants. yes from bneb bbne— and direct descendants. yes from bneb bbne. bne— and direct descendants. yes from that time. and one— and direct descendants. yes from that time. and one of those 2000 beobbe— that time. and one of those 2000 beobbe vno— that time. and one of those 2000 beobbe vno-bnbe— that time. and one of those 2000 people who this slave people who had this slave bbenbebbon.— people who had this slave plantation. that that's plantation. now that that's benbbbe— plantation. now that that's benbbbe .— plantation. now that that's terrible . that's— plantation. now that that's terrible . that's unethical. that terrible. that's unethical. that was hundreds— terrible. that's unethical. that was hundreds ago . but was hundreds of years ago. but the was hundreds of years ago. but be beee— was hundreds of years ago. but the idea that— was hundreds of years ago. but the idea that this— was hundreds of years ago. but the idea that this 1 in 2000, oeeon— the idea that this 1 in 2000, somehow what— the idea that this 1 in 2000, somehow what does do? the idea that this 1 in 2000, somehow what doesldo? it somehow what does it do? does it eeeb— somehow what does it do? does it eeeb-eenee— somehow what does it do? does it eeeb-eenee e— somehow what does it do? does it seep-genes ? does- somehow what does it do? does it seep-genes ? does it- seep into his genes? does it boee— seep into his genes? does it boee bb— seep into his genes? does it does it intrinsically now make nbn— does it intrinsically now make nbn evbb— does it intrinsically now make nbn evbb e — does it intrinsically now make him evil 7 well,— does it intrinsically now make him evil 7 well, i- does it intrinsically now make him evil ? �*bfvbnix. t him evil? well, i come to the what's the point, you see, because all those people from the 1600s, they're dead. they've been dead for ages. so we can't really get them to apologise. and him apologising for something do seems something he didn't do seems a bit pointless to me. you know, if my if i apologise for something my great grandfather did, what would be point in that? would be the point in that? yeah. i can apologise yeah. i mean, i can apologise for when he got drunk for my dad when he got drunk and vomited that's fair vomited at. well, that's fair enoben. — vomited at. well, that's fair enoben. be— vomited at. well, that's fair enough- be vou— nin: well, that's fair enough. as you should, because

it-embarrassing. - enough, as you shouid, because it embarrassing. / it was very embarrassing. yeah, it was very embarrassing. yeah, bb-veen. bn— it was very embarrassing. yeah, it-yeah. i'm not- it was very embarrassing. b/nini" . / i'm not bringing it was. yeah. i'm not bringing nbn— it was. yeah. i'm not bringing nbn bo— it was. yeah. i'm not bringing nbn bo bne— it was. yeah. i'm not bringing him to the office— e / i'm not bringing him to the office again. yeah, bub. — him to the office again. yeah, bub. mee— him to the office again. yeah, bub-vee eb— him to the office again. yeah, but.-yes, at some- him to the office again. yeah, but. yes, at some point the but. but yes, at some point the bne— but. but yes, at some point the bbnelbnoben— but. but yes, at some point the line-broken. yeah.- but. but yes, at some point the line-broken. yeah. - but. but yes, at some point the line broken. yeah. 'n: but. but yes, at some point the line broken. yeah. n: line is broken. yeah. and then vneb— line is broken. yeah. and then vneb bo— line is broken. yeah. and then what do do when you find what do you do when you find these connections? you know, because we into the because then we get into the questions reparations. but questions about reparations. but who to? money who do you give the to? money i mean, that the british mean, i'd say that the british royal did awful lot to royal family did an awful lot to oppress ancestors. can i get oppress my ancestors. can i get some cash? could do some cash? because i could do with it. yeah, i don't think bbe— with it. yeah, i don't think be going— with it. yeah, i don't think bb-e going-90— with it. yeah, i don't think it's going-90 to- . yeah, i don't think it's going go to individuals, it's going to go to individuals, is it's going to go to individuals, be be— it's going to go to individuals, be be why?— it's going to go to individuals, be be why? b— it's going to go to individuals, is it? why? i think well, that's vneb— is it? why? i think well, that's vneb-bebbbne— is it? why? i think well, that's what talking about in what i'm talking about in bnenee. — what i'm talking about in america. in; ”ni what i'm talking about in- america. they're-that in america. they're saying that in america, i think it's san francisco. talking about america, i think it's san francislike talking about america, i think it's san francislike $1 talking about america, i think it's san francislike $1 millionzing about america, i think it's san francislike $1 million to; about america, i think it's san francislike $1 million to everyit giving like $1 million to every person be person who's found to be a descendant. well, i think bneve-e— descendant. well, i think there's been— :t: well, i think there's been murmurings of cnevbee— there's been murmurings of charles giving— there's been murmurings of charles giving to money onenbbee— charles giving to money- charities—somehow charities that that are somehow are charities that that are somehow eve—bnev-ve- are not my words. they're oeeon— are not my words. they're. somehow—yeah. are not my words. they're- somehow_yeah. it's somehow related. did yeah. it's a somehow related. did yeah. it's e-ebeebbon.— somehow related. did yeah. it's a-question. how- somehow related. did yeah. it's a-question. how do- somehow related. did yeah. it's a question. how do you a brilliant question. how do you now— a brilliant question. how do you now obo— a brilliant question. how do you now do vou— a brilliant question. how do you how do you distribute the money a brilliant question. how do you how as you distribute the money a brilliant question. how do you how as you say, ribute the money a brilliant question. how do you how as you say, ifiute the money a brilliant question. how do you how as you say, if you've! money a brilliant question. how do you how as you say, if you've gotbney and as you say, if you've got some some ancestry without any onbb— some some ancestry without any ebbbb-vbbn— some some ancestry without any guilt-with, what- some some ancestry without anyi guilt-with, what-you guilt and some with, what do you do guilt and some with, what do you eo-vnbe— guilt and some with, what do you do-write yourself- do then just write yourself a oneeb. — do then just write yourself a oneeb. b— do then just write yourself a check. i don't. _ do then just write yourself a check. i don't. i- do then just write yourself a check. cb?" . check. i don't. ijust think it's impossible to quantify, isn't it? yeah. yeah. pay yourself your isn't it? yeah. yeah. pay yourrlnteresting your isn't it? yeah. yeah. pay yourrlnteresting question.ir self. interesting question. we've another question now we've got another question now from alec. where is alec? hi

there. i'm wondering, there. hi, alec. i'm wondering, should control should the government control what yes. so what we see online? ah, yes. so this this week. this was this broke this week. this was justin who, you justin trudeau, who, as you know, prime know, is the canadian prime minister, often in minister, often seen in blackface. you'll have seen some of videos. and yet got of those videos. and yet he got voted goodness knows voted back in. goodness knows why. but he passed why. but he has passed this internet censorship bill. this goes years, by way, goes back years, by the way, bill c—11, they've been talking about a long, long time about this for a long, long time . they to clamp down in . um, they want to clamp down in much the same that our much the same way that our country with their online country is with their online safety bill. canada's sort safety bill. but canada's sort of pushed through. the of pushed it through. the canadian government has always been free speech. been quite bad on free speech. and they tried introduce and they they tried to introduce another bill. bill c—16, which was to force people to was trying to force people to which compelled which was a compelled speech idea had use the idea that people had to use the preferred pronouns of someone and thing censoring and it's one thing censoring someone, another making them and it's one thing censoring somsomethinganother making them and it's one thing censoring som something you1er making them and it's one thing censoring som something you don'taking them and it's one thing censoring som something you don't want them say something you don't want a government like like canada sort of saying you can and of saying what you can and cannot online, surely? well cannot read online, surely? well no. and especially sort no. and especially as he's sort of eevbne— no. and especially as he's sort of eevbne-veve— no. and especially as he's sort of saying,-were like,- and especially as he's sort of saying, were like, oh, of saying, they were like, oh, eon-b— of saying, they were like, oh, no, don't-about- of saying, they were like, oh, no, don't about it's no, don't worry about it. it's nob— no, don't worry about it. it's nob-bo— no, don't worry about it. it's nob-bo be— no, don't worry about it. it's not-to be used- no, don't worry about it. it's not-to be used in- no, don't worry about it. it's not to be used in that way not going to be used in that way . bbe— not going to be used in that way . bb-e bbe— not going to be used in that way . be he, no— not going to be used in that way . it's like, no, that's— not going to be used in that way . it's like, no, that's why you need— . it's like, no, that's why you need-ebon— . it's like, no, that's why you need - stuff in _ . it's like, no, that's why you need - stuff in -to - . it's like, no, that's why you need stuff in to just need this stuff in law to just say,— need this stuff in law to just save-we're— need this stuff in law to just eevlve-ne nob- need this stuff in law to just say, we're not going to say, no, we're not going to bbbbbee— say, no, we're not going to utilise—like. say, no, we're not going toj utilise—like in utilise that. but it's like in seobbenbb—

utilise that. but it's like in scotland they're like, oh, scotland where they're like, oh, no, scotland where they're like, oh, bnbe— scotland where they're like, oh, no, no, this won't— scotland where they're like, oh, no, no, this won't let anybody anv— no, no, this won't let anybody env nebe— no, no, this won't let anybody any male rapist— no, no, this won't let anybody any male rapist in and any male rapist in britain. and bben— any male rapist in britain. and bnen—bbvne- any male rapist in britain. andi then _turns -there then suddenly it turns out there eve-bne— then suddenly it turns out there are..the dangers— then suddenly it turns out there are. the dangers this is the are. so the dangers this is the vnobe— are. so the dangers this is the vnobe bobnb— are. so the dangers this is the whole point of— are. so the dangers this is the whole point of having these laws of whole point of having these laws ob eovenne— whole point of having these laws of covering _these - whole point of having these laws of covering these angles. of covering all of these angles. so of covering all of these angles. so—bneb-e- of covering all of these angles. so—bneb-e nob- so that the thing that's not neenb— so that the thing that's not neenb bo— so that the thing that's not meant to happen definitely can't nebben. — meant to happen definitely can't nebben. bne— meant to happen definitely can't nebben. nnb b— meant to happen definitely can't happen. and i don't— meant to happen definitely can't happen. ' e happen. and i don't trust the canadian government on this sort of they of stuff. you know, when they had truckers protesting, had the truckers protesting, it was the was politicians within the government referring to was politicians within the gover as ent referring to was politicians within the gover as fascists. referring to was politicians within the gover as fascists. you referring to was politicians within the gover as fascists. you know, ing to was politicians within the gover as fascists. you know, and:o them as fascists. you know, and like it's unbelievable. you like and it's unbelievable. you don't people like that don't want people like that setting legislation that could kerb other people's speech. absolutely not. and stopping beobbe—eeb- absolutely not. and stopping beobbe—eeb bo| people being able to get to bben— people being able to get to bnebn—enbb- people being able to get toi their_ and things. their own money and things. i beeb— their own money and things. i mean, no, keep it— their own money and things. i mean, no, keep it clean. keep bneb— mean, no, keep it clean. keep that relationship— mean, no, keep it clean. keep that relationship clean. i don't venb— that relationship clean. i don't venb-eeeb— that relationship clean. i don't want-creep where- that relationship clean. i don't want creep where the want any creep where the eovennnenb— want any creep where the. government _footage want any creep where the- government-footage of government see that footage of mm. — government see that footage of mm. -this- government see that footage of him. _this week?- government see that footage ofi him. _this week? sort government see that footage of- him. _this week? sort of. him. trudeau this week? sort of. basically, were just kind basically, no, we were just kind of encouraging people to not take the to take vaccine and take the to take the vaccine and there's sort of there's this sort of back—pedalling thing that started trying take back—pedalling thing that start�*the trying take back—pedalling thing that start�*the money trying take back—pedalling thing that start�*the money out/ing take back—pedalling thing that start�*the money out ofg take back—pedalling thing that start�*the money out of their ake back—pedalling thing that start�*the money out of their bank take the money out of their bank account. it's sort of account. it now it's sort of like, no, we were just sort like, no, no, we were just sort of just influence them and stuff like that. and it's like, wow, history rewritten. that's history being rewritten. that's the it? the chief technique, isn't it? n...— the chief technique, isn't it? the rewriting— the chief technique, isn't it? the rewriting history. that's the rewriting of history. that's what— the rewriting of history. that's whatiabsolutely_ the rewriting of history. that's what absolutely stand. what i absolutely can't stand. just— what i absolutely can't stand. just-to—

what i absolutely can't stand. just-to-mistakes.. what i absolutely can't stand. just-to-mistakes. you just admit to the mistakes. you know,— just admit to the mistakes. you know—anyway,- know, it's amazing. anyway, so we're move on now to we're going to move on now to a question— we're going to move on now to a question from— we're going to move on now to a question from john.— we're going to move on now to a question from john. hello, john. should— question from john. hello, john. should classic— question from john. hello, john. should classic movies be for changed— changed modern audiences? okay, i'm changed modern audiences? okay, rm—tms- i'm quite pleased about this because you— i'm quite pleased about this because, you know, the direction of because, you know, the direction eeeemef-— because, you know, the direction ef-eeemelbe— because, you know, the direction ef-eeemelbe-e- because, you know, the direction of-seemslbe-a lot| of travel seems to be that a lot of travel seems to be that a lot ef-ere— of travel seems to be that a lot ef-ere eee— of travel seems to be that a lot ef-ere sort of— of travel seems to be that a lot of are sort of saying, of people are sort of saying, tee-e— of people are sort of saying, tee-e eee— of people are sort of saying, let's cut out— of people are sort of saying, let's cut out from old let's cut out scenes from old fume. — let's cut out scenes from old fume. lthey're — let's cut out scenes from old films. they're now offensive, films. if they're now offensive, tee-e— films. if they're now offensive, eeve-knew,— films. if they're now offensive,i let's - know, _chapters let's you know, cut out chapters of let's you know, cut out chapters ef-beeke — let's you know, cut out chapters ef-beeke if— let's you know, cut out chapters of. books. if they're - of old books. if they're offensive,— of old books. if they're offensive, that kind of thing. eee— offensive, that kind of thing. bee—heel offensive, that kind of thing. bee—hes eeie but steven spielberg has said that— but steven spielberg has said that re—editing_ but steven spielberg has said that re—editing films is a mistake. — that re—editing films is a mistake. even mistake. and he's actually even app“..— mistake. and he's actually even applied-himself- mistake. and he's actually even applied himself because mistake. and he's actually even athinki himself because mistake. and he's actually even athink the himself because mistake. and he's actually even athink the hthat lf because mistake. and he's actually even athink the hthat some ause mistake. and he's actually even athink the hthat some of ;e i think the guns that some of the— i think the guns that some of the-in— i think the guns that some of the-in m. — i think the guns that some of the-in e.t. have- i think the guns that some of the in e.t. have been the officers in e.t. have been renewed— the officers in e.t. have been redigitized and— the officers in e.t. have been redigitized and they're now weeke— redigitized and they're now walkie talkies._ redigitized and they're now walkie talkies. and he says that met— walkie talkies. and he says that thee-e— walkie talkies. and he says that that-a mistake.— walkie talkies. and he says that that-a mistake. so- walkie talkies. and he says that that a mistake. so i'm quite that was a mistake. so i'm quite pleased— that was a mistake. so i'm quite pleased shee— that was a mistake. so i'm quite pleased that someone as big and important— important as steven spielberg is saying,— important as steven spielberg is seine—feel saying, look, it's possible for mens— saying, look, it's possible for sums-dese— saying, look, it's possible for films-date and— saying, look, it's possible for films date and for us to see films to date and for us to see shee— films to date and for us to see that _ offensive, - films to date and for us to seej that—offensive, but that they're now offensive, but were—we- that they're now offensive, but we're—we know- we're not stupid. we know the things— we're not stupid. we know the things made— we're not stupid. we know the things made-past- we're not stupid. we know the things made past were in things made in the past were in the pest.— things made in the past were in the past. absolutely ' z the past. absolutely and he's going— the past. absolutely and he's going understand he's now going to understand he's now going to understand he's now going change it back as well going to change it back as well for the is he. so for the next is he. yeah. so that changing your mind is that that changing your mind is a sign of intelligence. yeah. and very and he's obviously a very talented and intelligent human being. reconsidered his being. he's reconsidered his position. he's come position. yeah. and he's come out and i was wrong and

out and said i was wrong and that's a fantastic thing to do. i mean, i, i think it's okay for you to, to to, change your own creation. right? so i think, like— creation. right? so i think, me when— creation. right? so i think, like when roald_ f right? so i think, like when roald dahl changed the engines— like when roald dahl changed the original oompa—loompas were sleek— original oompa—loompas were black-decided- original oompa—loompas were black decided that was black and he decided that was offensive.— black and he decided that was offensive-he— black and he decided that was offensive. he changed that. offensive. so he changed that. so offensive. so he changed that. se shes-s— offensive. so he changed that. so that's right.— offensive. so he changed that. so that's right. but then but then— so that's right. but then but then she— so that's right. but then but then the new— so that's right. but then but then the new changes that have in eeve— then the new changes that have come in have been— then the new changes that have come in have been by people in the publishing— come in have been by people in the publishing house after he's leng— the publishing house after he's [one dead— the publishing house after he's [one dead .— the publishing house after he's long dead . that's— the publishing house after he's long dead . that's a difference, long dead. that's a difference, isn-e— long dead. that's a difference, isn-e m— long dead. that's a difference, isn't it? that— long dead. that's a difference, isn't it? that is— long dead. that's a difference, isn't it? that is a— long dead. that's a difference, isn't it? that is a difference. i isn't it? that is a difference. .-.he_ isn't it? that is a difference. .-.he shing— isn't it? that is a difference. i-the thing that- isn't it? that is a difference. i-the thing that i'm. i mean, the thing that i'm really i just want really concerned is i just want to about george lucas to hear about george lucas changing the scene in star wars where greedo shoots first. oh, yeah. is the one. this is yeah. this is the one. this is the upset the the one that's upset me for the last. this is a very nerdy point youe— last. this is a very nerdy point you making.— this is a very nerdy point you're making. some people won't know— you're making. some people won't know-soot— you're making. some people won't know-cool man. _ you're making. some people won't know-cool man. no. - you're making. some people won't know cool man. m] well, of know this cool man. no. well, of george— know this cool man. no. well, of course, george lucas— know this cool man. \ooi:o well, of course, george lucas went back one— course, george lucas went back oeo—of— course, george lucas went back oeo—of exto- course, george lucas went back. and—of extra monsters and added lots of extra monsters and added lots of extra monsters oeo—io— and added lots of extra monsters oeo—to oooks- and added lots of extra monsters and—it looks really. and things, and it looks really stupid-— and things, and it looks really sououo. rm— and things, and it looks really stupid. i'm the— and things, and it looks really stupid. i'm the wrong person. wen.— stupid. i'm the wrong person. weulohiuk— stupid. i'm the wrong person. well,lthink it's— stupid. i'm the wrong person. well,lthink it's really- well, i think it's really exciting. it's spielberg exciting. is that it's spielberg who's it is. who's saying this. yeah it is. most what we've heard about most of what we've heard about sensitivity stuff and. and editing. people editing. it's all from people who actually experts at who aren't actually experts at their know? and he's their craft, you know? and he's come out is the person i come out and he is the person i would want to edit stuff and

he's saying don't do it. yeah very interesting. we've got one ome— very interesting. we've got one true-more— very interesting. we've got one time-more question.- very interesting. we've got onei time-more question. this time for one more question. this is—wuee-s— time for one more question. this is_where's abdi?- is from abdi. where's abdi? hiya.— is from abdi. where's abdi? hiya. uu — is from abdi. where's abdi? hiya. hi. have— is from abdi. where's abdi? hiya. hi. have protests become too hiya. hi. have protests become ooo-roguo.— hiya. hi. have protests become ooo-roguo. okay.- hiya. hi. have protests become too right. okay. let too violent? right. okay. so let women— women speak. women's rights eyeso— women speak. women's rights eveuo—oo— women speak. women's rights eveuo—oo uyoe- women speak. women's rights event at hyde park event took place at hyde park tus— event took place at hyde park outs—they- event took place at hyde park this-they meet- event took place at hyde park this they meet there this afternoon. they meet there every— this afternoon. they meet there. every week. you might have seen a every week. you might have seen o-oouoe— every week. you might have seen a-police presence,- every week. you might have seen a police presence, but it a large police presence, but it did a large police presence, but it out oun— a large police presence, but it did turn violent— a large police presence, but it did turn violent after some tons— did turn violent after some trans activists— did turn violent after some trans activists clashed with of— trans activists clashed with of he — trans activists clashed with some of the women there. but whoo— some of the women there. but whoo-ooououy- some of the women there. but what-actually-isl what they've actually done is oooookeo. — what they've actually done is attacked. -of _ what they've actually done is attacked. -of the - what they've actually done is attacked. of the female attacked. one of the female soeuoros— attacked. one of the female soeuuos .— attacked. one of the female stewards . and— attacked. one of the female stewards . and there were reports stewards. and there were reports ouuue— stewards. and there were reports ouuue moo— stewards. and there were reports online that they— stewards. and there were reports online that they had wrapped her in o— online that they had wrapped her in u too— online that they had wrapped her in u too oeo— online that they had wrapped her in a flag and beaten her. and mere— in a flag and beaten her. and ouere sue— in a flag and beaten her. and ouere she is. — in a flag and beaten her. and there she is. and— in a flag and beaten her. and there she is. and the police are putting— there she is. and the police are puoooug-uooim— there she is. and the police are pulling victim away . okay. pulling the victim away. okay. ano— pulling the victim away. okay. and-been— pulling the victim away. okay. and been physically and she has been physically assumed.— and she has been physically assaulted. now— and she has been physically assaulted. now this is something seeing— assaulted. now this is something we're seeing more— assaulted. now this is something we're seeing more and more at ouese— we're seeing more and more at ouese-of— we're seeing more and more at these-of events,- these kind of events, particularly- these kind of events, particularly events where women gamer— particularly events where women outer under— particularly events where women gather under the— particularly events where women gather under the let women speak banner— gather under the let women speak banner-oon— gather under the let women speak banner-lotslpeople- gather under the let women speak banner lots people arrive banner and lots of people arrive to banner and lots of people arrive oo—non — banner and lots of people arrive to-from speaking,- to stop them from speaking, unen— to stop them from speaking, union-oe— to stop them from speaking, which be proving their which might be proving their nono— which might be proving their poino even— which might be proving their ooono so— which might be proving their point ever so much. �*foo�*oigc point ever so much. well, i noutun-o— point ever so much. well, i wouldn't say it's happening more and this has happened and more. this has happened for years actually seeing years now. and actually seeing a video very similar to that about from about seven years ago of a trans beating a lesbian. trans woman beating a lesbian. and you're going and i didn't

understand it at all at the time. i was like, what's going on here? and the thing is, people were defending the trans woman for beating this lesbian. an yes. for merely saying an up. yes. for merely saying that there are two sexes and whatnot. and that's what involved in this. it just involved me in this. it just seemed so insanely unfair. but you a new zealand had you have a new zealand you had this year old, again, this 72 year old, again, a lesbian being punched lesbian woman being punched repeatedly the face by a man repeatedly in the face by a man and he's on the right side of history. like, how does that this is the problem is that was at the kelly j. keane let women speak— at the kelly j. keane let women speak eveno— at the kelly j. keane let women speak eveno p..— at the kelly j. keane let women speak event in new— keane let women speak event in new zealand and all speak event in new zealand and au of— speak event in new zealand and an on one— speak event in new zealand and all of the people— speak event in new zealand and all of the people who claim to be progressive— all of the people who claim to be progressive saying isn't be progressive were saying isn't ons— be progressive were saying isn't ans—ana— be progressive were saying isn't this—and look- be progressive were saying isn't. this—and look-you this wonderful? and look how you know— this wonderful? and look how you know one— this wonderful? and look how you know one - activists - this wonderful? and look how you know one activists is know one of these activists is compassionately_ know one of these activists is compassionately beating an ekaeny— compassionately beating an elderly- around - compassionately beating an elderly around the elderly woman around the head. it's elderly woman around the head. n-s-so— elderly woman around the head. it's-so ludicrous,— elderly woman around the head. it's-so ludicrous, isn't- it's just so ludicrous, isn't it? it's emotional, it? and it's so emotional, immature, that of childish. immature, that sort of childish. i way. going to i can't get my way. i'm going to explode. know, there's no explode. you know, there's no well, is debate. that's well, there is no debate. that's one slogans. and this one of their slogans. and this is someone— one of their slogans. and this is something i'm— one of their slogans. and this is something i'm going- ” 3 and this is something i'm going to be oakkknp— is something i'm going to be oaokonplny— is something i'm going to be talking my guest, scott talking to my guest, scott p.g..p,_ talking to my guest, scott nugenolpn— talking to my guest, scott nugent,.bit in- talking to my guest, scott nugent, bit in a bit, because nugent, a bit in a bit, because i nugent, a bit in a bit, because olneek— nugent, a bit in a bit, because olneek unn— nugent, a bit in a bit, because i.feel with this— nugent, a bit in a bit, because i feel with this debate now, i do feel with this debate now, it's i do feel with this debate now, ko-s—so— i do feel with this debate now, it's—so infantile.i it's just become so infantile. nua— it's just become so infantile. nuo-onao— it's just become so infantile. but-that people- but also that people become ounnea—anel

turned to violence and are praised— turned to violence and are praised _yeah,- turned to violence and are praised _yeah, butl turned to violence and are. praised _yeah, but who praised for it. yeah, but who who are the people who are being violent the trans actor violent here? the trans actor wokeist, basically, who a lot of them some of those them if they're some of those are women and they're are trans women and they're biological it's biological men. it's testosterone. proving testosterone. they're proving their not seeing their point. you're not seeing these women, gender these these women, these gender critical these these these women, these gender critice no, these these these women, these gender criticeno, not these these these women, these gender criticeno, not happening. men. no, that's not happening. that's it's a that's what i'm saying. it's a one way side. the violence goes one way side. the violence goes one way side. the violence goes one way in this matter. this one way in this matter. and this is interesting these is very interesting at these events women events that these women i actually to one last year actually went to one last year because like i was afraid because i was like i was afraid of this violence happening and i wanted to be there as a man to make because it didn't there make it because it didn't there wasn't presence there wasn't a police presence there at they very at the time, but they very cleverly they get women to be the stewards they know the stewards because they know that better you that women are better at, you know, i a woman know, because if i saw a woman being beaten up, i'm sorry, i, i wouldn't be to stop myself wouldn't be able to stop myself getting involved. but getting involved. yeah, but having brave, having women who are very brave, being stewards in front of with people who are much than people who are much larger than them, physically and them, physically larger and aggressive is there commended? well, kelly keene was being well, when kelly keene was being surrounded new surrounded in the event in new zealand and just thought if zealand and you just thought if it weren't for those stewards, she could killed she could have been killed because a large group of

because it was a large group of angry, her? angry, scary men attacking her? well, what happens at well, it's what happens at nooopakk— well, it's what happens at football-isn't. well, it's what happens ati football-isn't it? football matches, isn't it? crushes— football matches, isn't it? crushes terrible— football matches, isn't it? crushes terrible disasters. that's starts. yeah but that's how it starts. yeah but we have to start taking we do have to start taking a stand against stuff. i stand against this stuff. i think it's really, really onponano.— think it's really, really- important.-someone's important. i mean, someone's going— important. i mean, someone's goinglget_ important. i mean, someone's going-get killed— important. i mean, someone's going get killed at some going to get killed at some pann— going to get killed at some poono. vou— going to get killed at some point. you know, is. this going to get killed at some pcscaryou know, is. this going to get killed at some pc scary stuff. )w, is. this going to get killed at some pc scary stuff. )w, iafter s is scary stuff. anyway, after one— is scary stuff. anyway, after one peak— is scary stuff. anyway, after the break on _ is scary stuff. anyway, after the break on free speech nation has the break on free speech nation nas one— the break on free speech nation has the government betrayed openne— has the government betrayed brenna—oo- brexit? we're going to be speaking— brexit? we're going to be speakingla_ brexit? we're going to be speaking a former speaking to a former conservative- speaking to a former conservative and ukip mp in just ano— conservative and ukip mp in just over two minutes— conservative and ukip mp in just over two minutes time. don't go anyunene—

happen. you're listening to gb news radio . news radio. welcome news radio. . iwelcome back news radio. - l welcome back to news radio. _ . welcome back to free news kauo. — . welcome back to free speech kanon. — . welcome back to free speech kanon. so— . welcome back to free speech nation. so-this- . welcome back to free speech nation. so-this year,- nation. so earlier this year, rishi pledged scrap rishi sunak pledged to scrap 4000 laws by the 4000 european union laws by the end of the year. however, this week, trade secretary kemi badenoch said that only 20% of those laws, just 800, were likely to be scrapped by december 31st. so the question is, is this a betrayal of brexit? to discuss this, let's

head to the united states and to the co—founder of vote leave, former conservative party and ukip mp douglas carswell. douglas, thanks very much for joining us tonight. douglas, thanks very much for joining us tonight . so maybe you joining us tonight. so maybe you can answer question. is it can answer that question. is it a ? ithink can answer that question. is it a ? i think brexit is a betrayal? i think brexit is being— a betrayal? i think brexit is being betrayed— , i think brexit is being betrayed ever since the nap-onoy— being betrayed ever since the nap-onoy on— being betrayed ever since the majority of people in britain vooea— majority of people in britain vooea oo— majority of people in britain voted to leave— majority of people in britain voted to leave the european union— voted to leave the european union one— voted to leave the european union, the political establishment, first of all, noukan-o— establishment, first of all, wouldn't accept the result. we nae— wouldn't accept the result. we naa oo— wouldn't accept the result. we naa oo nave— wouldn't accept the result. we naa oo nave a— wouldn't accept the result. we had to have a series of ekeonons— had to have a series of elections for- had to have a series of elections for them to honour the referendum— elections for them to honour the referendum result.— elections for them to honour the referendum result. now we have a governmen— referendum result. now we have a government that— referendum result. now we have a government that pays lip service to government that pays lip service oo neon:— government that pays lip service oo nneno: buo— government that pays lip service to brexit, but they're doing noonkne— to brexit, but they're doing nothing-take— to brexit, but they're doing nothing take advantage of the nothing to take advantage of the opponunknes— nothing to take advantage of the opponunones on— nothing to take advantage of the opportunities of brexit. here you— opportunities of brexit. here you nave— opportunities of brexit. here you nave an— opportunities of brexit. here you have an example of 4000 eu nukes— you have an example of 4000 eu nukes unkn— you have an example of 4000 eu rules which we— you have an example of 4000 eu rules which we were— you have an example of 4000 eu rules which we were required to nokkon— rules which we were required to nouon unen— rules which we were required to follow when we _ rules which we were required to follow when we were in the eu . follow when we were in the eu. we follow when we were in the eu. we wee— follow when we were in the eu. we were promised— follow when we were in the eu. we were promised that we were going— we were promised that we were going oo— we were promised that we were going io review— we were promised that we were going to review and remove them and ye— going to review and remove them and ye we— going to review and remove them and yei we no— going to review and remove them and yet we now hear that 80% of inen — and yet we now hear that 80% of inen ae— and yet we now hear that 80% of knee going— and yet we now hear that 80% of them are going to— and yet we now hear that 80% of them are going to be retained. why— them are going to be retained. wny ae— them are going to be retained. wny iney— them are going to be retained. why are they going to be neiaineie— why are they going to be retained? because the minister keni — retained? because the minister kemi badenoch,— retained? because the minister kemi badenoch, who incidentally, i kemi badenoch, who incidentally, i used— kemi badenoch, who incidentally, i used io— kemi badenoch, who incidentally, i used to think— kemi badenoch, who incidentally, i used to think was— kemi badenoch, who incidentally, i used to think was one of the good— i used to think was one of the good guys— i used to think was one of the good guys in— i used to think was one of the good guys in this,— i used to think was one of the good guys in this, the minister keni — good guys in this, the minister kemi badenoch— good guys in this, the minister kemi badenoch has been told by her

kemi badenoch has been told by nen—iney- her civil servants that they ion-i— her civil servants that they ion-i-gei- her civil servants that they don't- get rid - her civil servants that they don't-get rid of. her civil servants that they don't get rid of them. don't want to get rid of them. weii— don't want to get rid of them. weii excuse— don't want to get rid of them. well excuse me,— don't want to get rid of them. well excuse me, is this government— well excuse me, is this government-a. well excuse me, is this- government-a brussels government run by a brussels iowing— government run by a brussels loving bureaucracy or by conservative _ loving bureaucracy or by conservative ministers that we woiei — conservative ministers that we woiei ion— conservative ministers that we woiei ion io — conservative ministers that we voted for to deliver on brexit? nui— voted for to deliver on brexit? nui in— voted for to deliver on brexit? but i'm afraid— voted for to deliver on brexit? but i'm afraid to— voted for to deliver on brexit? but i'm afraid to say i don't inink— but i'm afraid to say i don't inink anis— but i'm afraid to say i don't think this government is doing neaiiy— think this government is doing neaiiy inai— think this government is doing really that much— think this government is doing really that much at all to take aiwaniage— really that much at all to take aiwaniage oi— really that much at all to take advantage of the— really that much at all to take advantage of the opportunities of advantage of the opportunities oi nnekii. — advantage of the opportunities oi nnekii. ii— advantage of the opportunities of brexit. if anything, actually one— of brexit. if anything, actually this government— of brexit. if anything, actually this government is making things ii— this government is making things ii is— this government is making things ii is ii— this government is making things worse. it is it is— this government is making things worse. it is it is gold plating nuesi— worse. it is it is gold plating rules, creating— worse. it is it is gold plating rules, creating more regulation ani— rules, creating more regulation and ensuning— rules, creating more regulation and ensuring that— rules, creating more regulation and ensuring that britain is no iongen— and ensuring that britain is no iongen a— and ensuring that britain is no iongen a good— and ensuring that britain is no longer a good place to do business— longer a good place to do business. it— longer a good place to do business. it is— longer a good place to do business. it is a- longer a good place to do business. it is a tragedy. so you— business. it is a tragedy. so you naise— business. it is a tragedy. so you a— business. it is a tragedy. so you raise a number- business. it is a tragedy. so you raise a number of- business. it is a tragedy. so you raise a number of points there, douglas, but i want to pick you on this point about pick you up on this point about the civil service. it the the civil service. is it the case that the civil service is just completely enamoured eu just completely enamoured by eu red to the extent that red tape to the extent that they're going to interfere, aren't the service aren't the civil service supposed politically supposed to be politically neutral? not, why neutral? and if they're not, why is it not the case that the government isn't anything government isn't doing anything about british civil about that? the british civil sewiee— about that? the british civil service i absolutely - m7 the british civil service absolutely not service is absolutely not neuinai— service is absolutely not neutral.-will- service is absolutely not neutral. will pay lip neutral. they will pay lip senwioe— neutral. they will pay lip senwioe io— neutral. they will pay lip service to -fact- neutral. they will pay lip service to fact that they service to the fact that they ion-i— service to the fact that they don't-involved - service to the fact that they don't involved in party don't get involved in party poiiiios— don't get involved in party politics, but— don't get involved in party politics, but have very politics, but they have very oiean— politics, but they have very clear preferences their clear preferences and their pneienense— clear preferences and their pneienenoe is— clear preferences and their preference is always in favour

of preference is always in favour oi neguiaiion— preference is always in favour of regulation on— preference is always in favour of regulation on the idea that we snouii— of regulation on the idea that we should somehow deregulate is anainena— we should somehow deregulate is anainena io— we should somehow deregulate is anathema to them.— we should somehow deregulate is anathema to them. it's some yeans— anathema to them. it's some yeans since— anathema to them. it's some years since there— anathema to them. it's some years since there was that very iannous— years since there was that very famous comedy. _ years since there was that very famous comedy. yes minister. and one— famous comedy. yes minister. and one was— famous comedy. yes minister. and one a— famous comedy. yes minister. and that was a comedy— famous comedy. yes minister. and that was a comedy that showed the that was a comedy that showed one iension— that was a comedy that showed the tension between a minister ani— the tension between a minister and a— the tension between a minister and a ski— the tension between a minister and a civil servant— the tension between a minister and a civil servant with the ski— and a civil servant with the civil servant— and a civil servant with the civil servant invariably getting his civil servant invariably getting nis way. — civil servant invariably getting nis way. is— civil servant invariably getting his way. it's not— civil servant invariably getting his way. it's not a— civil servant invariably getting his way. it's not a joke anymore. this- his way. it's not a joke anymore. this is how government is vou— anymore. this is how government is kou nave— anymore. this is how government is run. you have a— anymore. this is how government is run. you have a minister coming— is run. you have a minister conning in— is run. you have a minister eonning in io— is run. you have a minister coming in to their department ani— coming in to their department and iney— coming in to their department and iney ane— coming in to their department and they are encased in this iuneau— and they are encased in this iuneau nac— and they are encased in this bureau rac that— and they are encased in this bureau rac that simply doesn't give— bureau rac that simply doesn't give onen— bureau rac that simply doesn't give inen ine— bureau rac that simply doesn't give them the opportunities and the give them the opportunities and one opiions— give them the opportunities and one opiions io— give them the opportunities and the options to do— give them the opportunities and the options to do anything that the options to do anything that the bureaucracy— the options to do anything that the bureaucracy doesn't want. wow— the bureaucracy doesn't want. wow ii— the bureaucracy doesn't want. wow ii iakes— the bureaucracy doesn't want. now it takes a— the bureaucracy doesn't want. now it takes a pretty exceptional- now it takes a pretty exceptional kind of minister to nave— exceptional kind of minister to nave ine— exceptional kind of minister to have the resources and the aiiiiiy— have the resources and the aiiiiiy io— have the resources and the ability to cut— have the resources and the ability to cut through that. i inink— ability to cut through that. i think imagine— ability to cut through that. i think imagine if you were nunning— think imagine if you were nunning a— think imagine if you were running a government department that running a government department inai enpioyei— running a government department that employed ten,— running a government department that employed ten, 20, 30,000 peopie— that employed ten, 20, 30,000 peopie-nawe- that employed ten, 20, 30,000 people. - have the - people. you don't have the aiiiiiy— people. you don't have the ability-hire— people. you don't have the ability-hire and- people. you don't have the ability hire and fire a ability to hire and fire a singie— ability to hire and fire a singie one— ability to hire and fire a single one. if- ability to hire and fire a single one. if if like dominic kaaiu— single one. if if like dominic kaaiu you— single one. if if like dominic raab, you tried— single one. if if like dominic raab, you tried to use a bit of noiusi— raab, you tried to use a bit of robust persuasion— raab, you tried to use a bit of robust persuasion to get the ski— robust persuasion to get the civil servants— robust persuasion to get the civil servants to— robust persuasion to get the civil servants to do what you ask— civil servants to do what you ask onen— civil servants to do what you ask them, they— civil servants to do what you ask them, they can undermine you and ge— ask them, they can undermine you and gei you— ask them, they can undermine you and get you sacked,— ask them, they can undermine you and get you sacked, which is ekaoiiy— and get you sacked, which is ekaeiiy wnai— and get you sacked, which is exactly what happened. and in

eiieoi— exactly what happened. and in effect ministers— exactly what happened. and in effect ministers are simply the nouinpiese— effect ministers are simply the mouthpiece permanent mouthpiece of the permanent iuneaueay— mouthpiece of the permanent bureaucracy-is- mouthpiece of the permanent bureaucracy is the bureaucracy and it is the pennaneni— bureaucracy and it is the permanent bureaucracy that is nunning— permanent bureaucracy that is nunning anis— permanent bureaucracy that is running this country that is making— running this country that is making :— running this country that is making : i— running this country that is making, i think, some catastrophic- making, i think, some catastrophic policy errors. and oi— catastrophic policy errors. and oi inose— catastrophic policy errors. and one of those real— catastrophic policy errors. and one of those real errors is a iaiiune— one of those real errors is a iaiiune io— one of those real errors is a failure to take— one of those real errors is a failure to take advantage of the opponuniiies— failure to take advantage of the opportunities that brexit was supposed— opportunities that brexit was supposed io— opportunities that brexit was supposed to be.— opportunities that brexit was supposed to be. all about. can i ask you— supposed to be. all about. can i ask you specifically— supposed to be. all about. can i ask you specifically about this question of laws and eu regulations notoriously , they're regulations notoriously, they're very difficult to pinpoint in terms of how many of our laws originate in the eu. some experts put it as high as 62. others as low as 13. no one seems to know what these laws are. can you explain why why it's important that we get these laws off our statute books ? laws off our statute books? well, i'll give you a specific exanpie— well, i'll give you a specific ekanpie. ine— well, i'll give you a specific example. the so—called gdpr, the iaia— example. the so—called gdpr, the aaia pnoieoiion— example. the so—called gdpr, the data protection regulations . we data protection regulations. we signed— data protection regulations. we signed up— data protection regulations. we signea up io— data protection regulations. we signed up to those when we were in one— signed up to those when we were in one in:— signed up to those when we were in the eu, basically— signed up to those when we were in the eu, basically because a eean— in the eu, basically because a german apparatchik in brussels waniei— german apparatchik in brussels waniei io— german apparatchik in brussels wanted to impose— german apparatchik in brussels wanted to impose german neguiaiions— wanted to impose german regulations on— wanted to impose german regulations on the rest of iunope. — regulations on the rest of iunope. ks— regulations on the rest of iunope. as a— regulations on the rest of europe. as a consequence of going— europe. as a consequence of doing so— europe. as a consequence of doing so. anyone— europe. as a consequence of doing so. anyone who complies

wiin— doing so. anyone who complies wiin opiio— doing so. anyone who complies with gdpr regulation is now iaiiing— with gdpr regulation is now falling dramatically behind some of falling dramatically behind some oi ine— falling dramatically behind some oi one ieon— falling dramatically behind some of the tech innovation that is nappening— of the tech innovation that is now happening around the world. i'm now happening around the world. in iaiking— now happening around the world. in iaiking io— now happening around the world. i'm talking to you— now happening around the world. i'm talking to you from the owned— i'm talking to you from the united states,— i'm talking to you from the united states, where we don't nave— united states, where we don't nave sink. — united states, where we don't have gdpr. one— united states, where we don't have gdpr. one of the great aiwaniages— have gdpr. one of the great advantages-not- have gdpr. one of the great advantages not having gdpr. advantages of not having gdpr. it advantages of not having gdpr. ii aiiows— advantages of not having gdpr. it allows small— advantages of not having gdpr. it allows small retailers to iake—sonel it allows small retailers toj take—some of take advantage of some of the nankeiing— take advantage of some of the marketing tools— take advantage of some of the marketing tools that social media— marketing tools that social media platforms and the opportunities— media platforms and the opportunities that offer. opportunities that they offer. kni— opportunities that they offer.| ana—oonpeie opportunities that they offer. - and _compete with and allows them to compete with big and allows them to compete with pig piayens— and allows them to compete with pig piayens in— and allows them to compete with big players in pretty much any new— big players in pretty much any iieii in— big players in pretty much any field in europe.— big players in pretty much any field in europe. small operators can-i— field in europe. small operators san-i io— field in europe. small operators cant do one — field in europe. small operators can't do this. the— field in europe. small operators can't do this. the rules are niggei— can't do this. the rules are niggea in— can't do this. the rules are rigged in favour- can't do this. the rules are rigged in favour of big corporations- rigged in favour of big corporations and big corporate oniine— corporations and big corporate online marketing— corporations and big corporate online marketing . now we should online marketing. now we should nave— online marketing. now we should nave goi— online marketing. now we should nave goi nia— online marketing. now we should nawe goi nii oi— online marketing. now we should have got rid of gdpr rules. if we iii— have got rid of gdpr rules. if we iii wai— have got rid of gdpr rules. if we did that, it— have got rid of gdpr rules. if we did that, it would help small businesses— we did that, it would help small businesses, it— we did that, it would help small businesses, it would help the bone— businesses, it would help the iiiiie guy:— businesses, it would help the iiiiie guy, ii— businesses, it would help the little guy, it would help the iooai— little guy, it would help the local independent florist or wnaiewen— local independent florist or wnaiewen ii— local independent florist or whatever it is— local independent florist or whatever it is ,_ local independent florist or whatever it is , compete against whatever it is, compete against the whatever it is, compete against one big— whatever it is, compete against the big corporations , does it the big corporations, does it now— the big corporations, does it noii beiiing— the big corporations, does it not? getting rid— the big corporations, does it not? getting rid of these rules inab— not? getting rid of these rules means that europe as a whole and bniiain— means that europe as a whole and britain, because— means that europe as a whole and britain, because it's— means that europe as a whole and britain, because it's aligned wiin— britain, because it's aligned wiin onese— britain, because it's aligned with these regulations, is sinpiy— with these regulations, is sinpiy noi— with these regulations, is simply not growing. you know, the simply not growing. you know, one iunopean— simply not growing. you know, the european union and britain, inai-s— the european union and britain, ones a— the european union and britain, ones a key— the european union and britain, that's a very important point inab— that's a very important point one you— that's a very important point that you raise— that's a very important point that you raise about the pro—corporate- that you raise about the pro—corporate nature of the eu.

knu— pro—corporate nature of the eu. and a— pro—corporate nature of the eu. and a iai— pro—corporate nature of the eu. and a ioi oi— pro—corporate nature of the eu. and a lot of the— pro—corporate nature of the eu. and a lot of the time— pro—corporate nature of the eu. and a lot of the time i- pro—corporate nature of the eu. and a lot of the time i think- and a lot of the time i think that discussion isn't really being had. i know you've written in your book rebel, about this, the way which corporations the way in which corporations lobby to at the detriment lobby the eu to at the detriment to businesses. but is to smaller businesses. but is that something that you think people aware people just aren't aware of? absolutely mean, brussels is absolutely i mean, brussels is basioaiiy— absolutely i mean, brussels is basieaiiy a— absolutely i mean, brussels is basically a nexus— ' gig i mean, brussels is basically a nexus between big business— basically a nexus between big business interests and bureaucracy- business interests and bureaucracy ,- business interests and bureaucracy , and they love bureaucracy, and they love wonking— bureaucracy, and they love working together because bureaucracy— working together because bureaucracy is— working together because bureaucracy is used by big businesses— bureaucracy is used by big businesses to— bureaucracy is used by big businesses to rig the rules. oeawing— businesses to rig the rules. oeawing ine— businesses to rig the rules. leaving the eu— businesses to rig the rules. leaving the eu meant we were supposed— leaving the eu meant we were supposed io— leaving the eu meant we were supposed to change this and deal wiin— supposed to change this and deal we ii.— supposed to change this and deal win ii. is— supposed to change this and deal with it. it's really— supposed to change this and deal with it. it's really depressing to with it. it's really depressing io see— with it. it's really depressing io a— with it. it's really depressing to see a so—called conservative aininisinaiion— to see a so—called conservative administration carry on doing wnai— administration carry on doing we we— administration carry on doing what we would _ administration carry on doing what we would pretty much do if we were in the— what we would pretty much do if we were in the european union, iaiiing— we were in the european union, iaiiing io— we were in the european union, iaiiing io iake— we were in the european union, failing to take advantage of the opponuniiy— failing to take advantage of the opponuniiy ani— failing to take advantage of the opportunity and then somehow pneienaing— opportunity and then somehow pretending that— opportunity and then somehow pretending that they're delivering— pretending that they're delivering brexit, they're delivering on brexit, they're sinpiy— delivering on brexit, they're sinpiy noi. — delivering on brexit, they're sinpiynoi. nio- delivering on brexit, they're simply not. i : delivering on brexit, they're- simply not. -it would seem to simply not. but it would seem to me that every every conservative prime minister there's been a few since since brexit. now they've all treated brexit as really a case of damage limitation rather than trying to find the opportunity , would find the opportunity, would you say right? i

find the opportunity, would you say right ? i would. say that's right? i would. i mean, i remember- say that's right? i would. i mean, i remember in- q7 iwould. i mean, i remember in the run up to mean, i remember in the run up io ine— mean, i remember in the run up to the referendum _ mean, i remember in the run up to the referendum campaign on being— to the referendum campaign on being son— to the referendum campaign on being son oi— to the referendum campaign on being son oi in— to the referendum campaign on being sort of in the bunker, the wooe— being sort of in the bunker, the woie beave— being sort of in the bunker, the vote leave bunker— being sort of in the bunker, the vote leave bunker and it was onene— vote leave bunker and it was there weren't— vote leave bunker and it was there weren't many people around and i— there weren't many people around and i oenainiy— there weren't many people around and i certainly can't— there weren't many people around and i certainly can't remember many— and i certainly can't remember nany oi— and i certainly can't remember nany oi ine— and i certainly can't remember many of the current cabinet who oiain — many of the current cabinet who now claim that— many of the current cabinet who now claim that somehow they are bnekii— now claim that somehow they are brexit champions. _ now claim that somehow they are brexit champions. i— now claim that somehow they are brexit champions. i think many of brexit champions. i think many oi onen— brexit champions. i think many of them fundamentally from inenesa— of them fundamentally from inenesa way— of them fundamentally from theresa may onwards, haven't neaiiy— theresa may onwards, haven't really understood— theresa may onwards, haven't really understood the point of beni— really understood the point of bnekii. iney— really understood the point of brexit. they think it's all aboui— brexit. they think it's all about being— brexit. they think it's all about being rude about foreigners.— about being rude about foreigners. they it's all foreigners. they think it's all aboui:— foreigners. they think it's all about,-know,_ foreigners. they think it's all about, know, controlling about, you know, controlling innignaiion— about, you know, controlling immigration. they've about, you know, controlling immi managed they've about, you know, controlling immi managed to they've about, you know, controlling immi managed to do they've about, you know, controlling immimanaged to do theybut about, you know, controlling immi managed to do theybut you even managed to do that, but you know:— even managed to do that, but you know, ministers— even managed to do that, but you know, ministers talk— even managed to do that, but you know, ministers talk about ooninoiiing— know, ministers talk about controlling the _ know, ministers talk about- controlling the _channel. controlling the english channel. they— controlling the english channel. iney—ooninoi- controlling the english channel. they—control their. they can't even control their own—we- they can't even control their own—we i they can't even control their. own _we see with own departments. we see with wnai— own departments. we see with we nappenei— own departments. we see with what happened to dominic raab, the what happened to dominic raab, one civi— what happened to dominic raab, the civil service— what happened to dominic raab, the civil service-in— what happened to dominic raab, the civil service in control. the civil service is in control. bniiain— the civil service is in control. bniiain is— the civil service is in control. britain is never— the civil service is in control. britain is never going get britain is never going to get its britain is never going to get iiinogeinen— britain is never going to get its together until we have its act together until we have a oonsenwaiiwe— its act together until we have a conservative administration that comes in and treats the pennaneni— comes in and treats the permanent mandarins in britain the permanent mandarins in britain one way— permanent mandarins in britain the way margaret— permanent mandarins in britain the way margaret thatcher ineaiei — the way margaret thatcher treated the _ the way margaret thatcher treated the national union of wines—iake- treated the national union of miners _take on. treated the national union of. miners _take on this miners. unless we take on this wesiei— miners. unless we take on this vested interest— miners. unless we take on this vested interest in— miners. unless we take on this vested interest in whitehall and ieieai— vested interest in whitehall and ieieai g,— vested interest in whitehall and defeat it, britain— vested interest in whitehall and defeat it, britain will always be gowennei— defeat it, britain will always be governed by— defeat it, britain will always be governed by mediocrity . be governed by mediocrity. bougias— be governed by mediocrity. douglas carswell,- be governed by mediocrity. douglas carswell, thanks very much for joining douglas carswell, thanks very

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critical social justice ideology and is no longer a client centred politically neutral practise, so to speak. about this in more detail, i'm delighted to welcome clinical psychologist dr. carol sherwood and a psychotherapist, ben harris. thank you both for joining us. thank you , qatar i'm joining us. thank you, qatar i'm going— joining us. thank you, qatar i'm going io— joining us. thank you, qatar i'm going no one— joining us. thank you, qatar i'm going io io— joining us. thank you, qatar i'm going to come to you— :�* g thank you, qatar i'm going to come to you first. coo?" going to come to you first. can you— going to come to you first. can you just— going to come to you first. can you just describe— going to come to you first. can you just describe this is an interesting book. it combines many, many different authors and perspectives on this problem , a perspectives on this problem, a problem a lot of people problem that a lot of people won't even understand exists. yeah, very true, andrew, yeah, that's very true, andrew, kni— yeah, that's very true, andrew, ana-wny— yeah, that's very true, andrew, ana-wny in— yeah, that's very true, andrew, and-why i'm-glad and that's why i'm really glad nai— and that's why i'm really glad we've had the— and that's why i'm really glad we've had the opportunity to cone-iak— we've had the opportunity to come -talk to _ we've had the opportunity to come -talk to you - we've had the opportunity to come talk to you and your come and talk to you and your viewers-listeners- come and talk to you and your viewers listeners tonight. viewers and listeners tonight. bui— viewers and listeners tonight.l bub—many but i think there can't be many oi— but i think there can't be many oi bie— but i think there can't be many areas of life that— but i think there can't be many areas of life that aren't iouonei— areas of life that aren't iouonei by— areas of life that aren't touched by social touched by critical social iusiioe— touched by critical social justice ideology and therapy is no exoepiion— justice ideology and therapy is no exception. and this is a wow— no exception. and this is a worry because— no exception. and this is a worry because people who seek neop— worry because people who seek neip inon — worry because people who seek neip inon a— worry because people who seek help from a therapist are genenaiiy— help from a therapist are genenaiiy ai— help from a therapist are generally at a- help from a therapist are generally at a low ebb. they're iisinessei:— generally at a low ebb. they're distressed, they— generally at a low ebb. they're distressed, they may have anxieiy— distressed, they may have anxieiy on— distressed, they may have anxiety or depression and what iney— anxiety or depression and what iney need— anxiety or depression and what iney need is— anxiety or depression and what they need is somebody who's pnepanei— they need is somebody who's pnepanea io— they need is somebody who's prepared to treat— they need is somebody who's prepared to treat them as a unique— prepared to treat them as a unique individual to actually sit unique individual to actually siiwiin— unique individual to actually sit with them,— unique individual to actually sit with them, to be compassionate and sit with them, to be—

compassionate and non—judgmental . bui— compassionate and non—judgmental . bui wnai— compassionate and non—judgmental . bui wnai we-ne— compassionate and non—judgmental . but what we're getting now are aoiiwisi— . but what we're getting now are activist therapists _ . but what we're getting now are activist therapists and activist inenapisis— activist therapists and activist therapists have— activist therapists and activist therapists have a— activist therapists and activist therapists have a political agenda.— therapists have a political agenda. iney— therapists have a political agenda. they want to impose inen— agenda. they want to impose their political— agenda. they want to impose their political views on their eiienis. — their political views on their eiienis. so — their political views on their clients. so if— their political views on their clients. so if you— their political views on their clients. so if you come along to see one of these— clients. so if you come along to see one of these activist inenapisis— see one of these activist inenapisis :— see one of these activist therapists , what they will do is therapists, what they will do is nine— therapists, what they will do is nainen inan — therapists, what they will do is rather than treat _ therapists, what they will do is rather than treat you as a unique— rather than treat you as a unique individual, they will saiegonise— unique individual, they will categorise you— unique individual, they will categorise you as a member of a naioniiy— categorise you as a member of a naioniiy gnoup— categorise you as a member of a naioniiy gnoup on— categorise you as a member of a naioniiy gnoup on a— categorise you as a member of a majority group or a member of a ninoniiy— majority group or a member of a ninoniiy gnoup.— majority group or a member of a minority group. so— majority group or a member of a minority group. so that's soneining— minority group. so that's something we- minority group. so that's something we should clarify. is inab— something we should clarify. is ibai wbai— something we should clarify. is ibai wbai we— something we should clarify. is that what we call— something we should clarify. is that what we call critical- that what we call critical social justice more colloquially known as wokeism? we're talking about mindset that sees about a mindset that sees everyone first and foremost in terms of group identity rather than individual. and surely when it therapy, the it comes to therapy, the individual is surely what matters most. would think matters most. you would think so, and indeed it has been for many, many years, even from the time of freud. but now, because ibis— time of freud. but now, because ibis is— time of freud. but now, because ibis is a— time of freud. but now, because this is a political— g ”oi;o: but now, because this is a political endeavour for this is a political endeavour ion ine— this is a political endeavour for the therapists who are meant to for the therapists who are meant io be— for the therapists who are meant io be neiping— for the therapists who are meant to be helping the— for the therapists who are meant to be helping the individual, are to be helping the individual, aoiuaiiy— to be helping the individual, are actually trying to change sooieiy— are actually trying to change sooieiy. ii-s— are actually trying to change society. it's like— are actually trying to change society. it's like a form of sooiai— society. it's like a form of social engineering. and so what iney— social engineering. and so what iney wiii— social engineering. and so what iney wiii io— social engineering. and so what iney wiii do is— social engineering. and so what they will do is if— social engineering. and so what

they will do is if they label you— they will do is if they label you as— they will do is if they label you as a— they will do is if they label you as a privileged person , then you as a privileged person, then iney— you as a privileged person, then be wiii— you as a privileged person, then be wiii give— you as a privileged person, then they will give you _ you as a privileged person, then they will give you a moral re—education._ they will give you a moral re—education. they'll tell you you-ne— re—education. they'll tell you you-ne naeisi— re—education. they'll tell you you're racist or— re—education. they'll tell you you're racist or you're a member of you're racist or you're a member oi ine— you're racist or you're a member of the patriarchy— you're racist or you're a member of the patriarchy and this has to of the patriarchy and this has io snange— of the patriarchy and this has io snange on— of the patriarchy and this has to change or if— of the patriarchy and this has to change or if you're perceived as a member of— to change or if you're perceived as a member of an— to change or if you're perceived as a member of an oppressed gnoup:— as a member of an oppressed gnoup: a— as a member of an oppressed gnoup, a ninoniiy:— as a member of an oppressed group, a minority, then you'll be guided— group, a minority, then you'll be guided towards political aoiiwisn — be guided towards political activism yourself. koi:ooi activism yourself. now, this is key— activism yourself. now, this is very interesting and i'm going to bring ben in on this because we've seen this in many, many fields, particularly academia, but even in secondary education and even primary education, where activists become teachers and then they will teach the children that if they are white, they are complicit in white supremacy, whether they like it or cetera. things like or not. et cetera. things like this simplistic, this a very simplistic, reductive it's in reductive worldview, but it's in therapy. know, people have therapy. you know, people have been come been surprised that it's come into in area at into medicine in that area at all. therapy. well, that's all. but therapy. well, that's nigni— all. but therapy. well, that's nigni :— all. but therapy. well, that's nigni : isn-i— all. but therapy. well, that's right, isn't it? _ all. but therapy. well, that's right, isn't it? i— all. but therapy. well, that's right, isn't it? i mean,- right, isn't it? i mean, therapy, one might traditionally think as being a very think of it as being a very nuanced activity, a very nuanced practise says, practise that, as carol says, thinks goals. thinks about individual goals. what really seeing, i what we're really seeing, i think, is a tragedy. i don't think, is a tragedy. i don't think it's unfair— think, is a tragedy. i don't think it's unfair to- g: i don't think it's unfair to that think it's unfair to use that won— think it's unfair to use that woni :— think it's unfair to use that woni : bui:— think it's unfair to use that word , but, you— think it's unfair to use that word , but, you know, maybe you

word, but, you know, maybe you souii— word, but, you know, maybe you souii ini— word, but, you know, maybe you souii iini a— word, but, you know, maybe you could find a way— word, but, you know, maybe you could find a way to— word, but, you know, maybe you could find a way to think about eiiioai— could find a way to think about critical theory— could find a way to think about critical theory in— could find a way to think about critical theory in a— could find a way to think about critical theory in a more nuanei— critical theory in a more nuanei way:- critical theory in a more nuanced way, but quite often the way— nuanced way, but quite often the way-used— nuanced way, but quite often the way-useilii— nuanced way, but quite often the way-usedlit sort- nuanced way, but quite often the way-usedlit sort of- way it's used is it sort of iesinoys— way it's used is it sort of destroys the _ way it's used is it sort of destroys the traditional understanding that therapeutic noiaiiiies— understanding that therapeutic modalities-up.- modalities have built up. decolonisation down in decolonisation breaks down in the decolonisation breaks down in one inaining— decolonisation breaks down in the training institutes, the ideas— the training institutes, the ideas inab— the training institutes, the ideas that therapy is made of ani— ideas that therapy is made of and ii— ideas that therapy is made of and it replaces— ideas that therapy is made of and it replaces it— ideas that therapy is made of and it replaces it with this. wnai— and it replaces it with this. wnai i— and it replaces it with this. what i think— and it replaces it with this. what i think of— and it replaces it with this. what i think of is this very iiai— what i think of is this very iiai way— what i think of is this very iiai way oi— what i think of is this very flat way of thinking about ibings— flat way of thinking about inings. so— flat way of thinking about things. so there are black and wine— things. so there are black and wniie iieas— things. so there are black and white ideas of— things. so there are black and white ideas of good and bad. neopie— white ideas of good and bad. neopie ibink— white ideas of good and bad. people think ipp_ white ideas of good and bad. people think ipp traditionally, when you come to therapy, it's about rikki neave rising responsibility that you've got some role in the problems that you've got, that the world is grey, that it's not black and white. so you do that if white. so you can't do that if the person diagnosing you or treating you into treating you divides you into either oppressed or an either an oppressed or an oppressor class. absolutely right. and, know, maybe your right. and, you know, maybe your auieine— right. and, you know, maybe your audience-ai— right. and, you know, maybe your audience,-at home- ” 3 and, you know, maybe your audience, at home might ” 3 and, you know, maybe your audieto e, at home might ” 3 and, you know, maybe your audieto think at home might ” 3 and, you know, maybe your audieto think about home might ” 3 and, you know, maybe your audieto think about what! might ” 3 and, you know, maybe your audieto think about what isiight ” 3 and, you know, maybe your audieto think about what is itjht want to think about what is it inab— want to think about what is it one is— want to think about what is it that is meaningful them in that is meaningful for them in knee— that is meaningful for them in iiiei i— that is meaningful for them in iiiei i mean— that is meaningful for them in life? i mean, for— that is meaningful for them in life? i mean, for most people, in — life? i mean, for most people, in pneiiy— life? i mean, for most people, in pneiiy sue— life? i mean, for most people, i'm pretty sure it's not poiiiisai— i'm pretty sure it's not political activism. what political activism. and what ibis— political activism. and what ibis-ibis— political activism. and what this-this seeks- political activism. and what this this seeks to is political activism. and what. this-this seeks to.is to this what this seeks to do is to say— this what this seeks to do is to say inab— this what this seeks to do is to say one youe— this what this seeks to do is to say that you've got to think aboui— say that you've got to think about yourself— say that you've got to think about yourself terms of these about yourself in terms of these oppnesson— about yourself in terms of these oppnesson ani— about yourself in terms of these oppressor and oppressed classes, and oppressor and oppressed classes, ani-you-we— oppressor and oppressed classes,

ani-you-we-io- oppressor and oppressed classes, and-you've-to do- and then you've got to do soneining— and then you've got to do something about therapy is something about it. therapy is aboui— something about it. therapy is about healing— something about it. therapy is about healing and growth. that's wnai— about healing and growth. that's wnai ii— about healing and growth. that's what it should— about healing and growth. that's what it should be— about healing and growth. that's what it should be about, right? it's what it should be about, right? ii-s-aboui— what it should be about, right? ii-s-aboui ii— what it should be about, right? it's about it telling people it's not about it telling people now— it's not about it telling people now iney— it's not about it telling people now be neen— it's not about it telling people how they need to _ it's not about it telling people how they need to focus their ppg, — how they need to focus their pg, ieiiing— how they need to focus their life, telling them they need to be aoiiwisi. — life, telling them they need to be activist. but— life, telling them they need to be activist. but unfortunately, ibis— be activist. but unfortunately, ibis-inageiy— be activist. but unfortunately, this-tragedy that- be activist. but unfortunately, this tragedy that is this this tragedy that is happening— this this tragedy that is happening that the kind of happening is that the kind of the happening is that the kind of one—ane- happening is that the kind of. the—are convinced the therapists who are convinced by..— the therapists who are convinced bv-i they— the therapists who are convinced by. iney iney— the therapists who are convinced by -, they they _their| by this, they they become their own-oi— by this, they they become their own-oi ionn — by this, they they become their own -of form of _ by this, they they become their own of form of moral own kind of form of moral nno.ississi— own kind of form of moral narcissists. they impose their wauesi— narcissists. they impose their values on their— narcissists. they impose their values on their clients . you values on their clients. you know:— values on their clients. you know: wnen — values on their clients. you know: wnen i— values on their clients. you know, when i was trained , it was know, when i was trained, it was absoiuieiy— know, when i was trained, it was absolutely clear— know, when i was trained, it was absolutely clear that's not what you-ne— absolutely clear that's not what you-ne going— absolutely clear that's not what you-ne aoingla— absolutely clear that's not what you're doing a therapist. you're doing as a therapist. we.— you're doing as a therapist. be. i— you're doing as a therapist. be. i mean— you're doing as a therapist. no. i mean, surely- you're doing as a therapist. no. i mean, surely a- you're doing as a therapist. no. i mean, surely a therapist who effectively to who is effectively trying to recruit activist cause is recruit for an activist cause is effectively blaming the patient recruit for an activist cause is eff

that's an interesting— g :7 yeah, that's an interesting question. i that's an interesting question. i—inon- that's an interesting question. i_from severali i think it comes from several iiiieneni— i think it comes from several different-yes- i think it comes from several different yes there are different sources. yes there are asiiwisis— different sources. yes there are activists who _ different sources. yes there are activists who wish— different sources. yes there are activists who wish to become inenapy— activists who wish to become inenapy .— activists who wish to become inenapy . wes— activists who wish to become therapy . yes. so— activists who wish to become therapy . yes. so it's a grass therapy. yes. so it's a grass noois— therapy. yes. so it's a grass roots movement— therapy. yes. so it's a grass roots movement amongst some young— roots movement amongst some young peopie— roots movement amongst some young people who_ roots movement amongst some young people who want to be aoiiwisis — young people who want to be activists, therapists. but also inene— activists, therapists. but also inene ane— activists, therapists. but also there are governmental organisations- there are governmental organisations like nhs health, iiuoaiion— organisations like nhs health, education england who are imposing— education england who are inposing anoi— education england who are imposing anti racism as it's so oaiiei— imposing anti racism as it's so saiiei ani— imposing anti racism as it's so called and decolonisation on oiinioai— called and decolonisation on clinical psychology training course. and— clinical psychology training course. and we- clinical psychology training course. and we should probably clarify that because anti racism sounds great because we're all against racism, but that's not what it means, it? no, it what it means, is it? no, it isn't. what it means.- g c7” no, it isn't. what it means. and it's eiiioai— isn't. what it means. and it's critical race— isn't. what it means. and it's critical race theory. and it was inienesiing— critical race theory. and it was inienesiing :— critical race theory. and it was interesting , heard talking interesting, i heard you talking eaniien— interesting, i heard you talking earlier-diane— interesting, i heard you talking earlier diane abbott's earlier about diane abbott's ieiien— earlier about diane abbott's ieiien-an— earlier about diane abbott's letter. an example of letter. that is an example of eiiisai— letter. that is an example of critical race— letter. that is an example of critical race theory in action, bause— critical race theory in action, because can you— critical race theory in action, because can you explain that? wean— because can you explain that? wean — because can you explain that? yeah, sure. because what it is saying— yeah, sure. because what it is saying is— yeah, sure. because what it is saying is inab— yeah, sure. because what it is saying is that however disadvantaged a white person may be, disadvantaged a white person may be: iney— disadvantaged a white person may be: be ane— disadvantaged a white person may be, they are incapable of experiencing— be, they are incapable of experiencing racism because of the experiencing racism because of one oouin— experiencing racism because of one oouin oi— experiencing racism because of the colour of their— experiencing racism because of the colour of their skin. so we can see how that— the colour of their skin. so we can see how that kind of appnoaen— can see how that kind of approach, that- can see how that kind of approach, that critical race ineonisi—

approach, that critical race theorist approach actually genenaies— theorist approach actually genenaies a— theorist approach actually generates a hyper racialized , generates a hyper racialized, iiwisiwe— generates a hyper racialized, divisive worldview . ' o: divisive worldview. and this is important, isn't it, ben? because one of the main tenets of critical race theory and anti racism is you have to be proactively anti—racist. it's not good enough not to be racist. have stop others racist. you have to stop others from racist. you have to from being racist. you have to detect often it isn't. detect it often where it isn't. you know. so this is this has got nothing to do with therapy, surely. well, that's right. and of surely. well, that's right. and oi louseyou— surely. well, that's right. and of course,.you think- ”oi;«o well, that's right. and of course, you think about of course, if you think about inab— of course, if you think about inai-oi— of course, if you think about that-of needing- of course, if you think about that of needing to detect that idea of needing to detect it that idea of needing to detect ii in— that idea of needing to detect ii in-peopie— that idea of needing to detect it in-people and- that idea of needing to detect it in people and then sort it in other people and then sort of neutralise— it in other people and then sort of neutralise it— it in other people and then sort of neutralise itlfix- it in other people and then sort of neutralise it fix them, of neutralise it or fix them, inen— of neutralise it or fix them, inen-seiiing- of neutralise it or fix them, then-setting up- of neutralise it or fix them, then setting up a kind of then you're setting up a kind of panaaign— then you're setting up a kind of paradigm around— then you're setting up a kind of paradigm around power, which is of paradigm around power, which is oi—iney-ne- of course what they're interested _ of course what they're interested in.- of course what they're interested in. they that interested in. they say that powe— interested in. they say that power elsewhere interested in. they say that- power-elsewhere-they're power lies elsewhere and they're inying — power lies elsewhere and they're owing—bui- power lies elsewhere and they're inying—bui iil trying to rectify things. but if you-ne— trying to rectify things. but if you-ne-io— trying to rectify things. but if you're-to tell- trying to rectify things. but if you're to tell your trying to rectify things. but if you're how to tell your trying to rectify things. but if you're how to to tell your trying to rectify things. but if you're how to fixell your trying to rectify things. but if you're how to fix themselves in client how to fix themselves in ibis— client how to fix themselves in ibis-noni— client how to fix themselves in this moral morally this sort of moral morally determinative— this sort of moral morally determinative way, you're imposing—onl determinative way, you're . imposing—on youn imposing your power on your siieni. — imposing your power on your client. surely— imposing your power on your client. surely-are- imposing your power on your client. surely-are of client. surely there are lots of therapists who going therapists who aren't going along who are along with this and who are actually a very good job. actually doing a very good job. and so what's the extent of this? hard tell. this? well that's hard to tell. and that's that's because people are and that's that's because people ane—aboui- are being quite quiet about ibis.— are being quite quiet about ibis—book- are being quite quiet about this—book is. are being quite quiet about. this._book is very this. it's why this book is very inponani:— this. it's why this book is very inponani:-ii-s- this. it's why this book is very important, it's really important, because it's really the important, because it's really one iinsi— important, because it's really one iinsi oi— important, because it's really the first of organised coming

iogeinen— the first of organised coming| iogeinen—nigniy together of a group of highly expensei— together of a group of highly expensed practitioners, clinical psyenoiogisis— psychologists, psychotherapists, aoaenniios— psychologists, psychotherapists, aoaenniiosio— psychologists, psychotherapists, academics to talk— psychologists, psychotherapists, academics to talk about this, to one— academics to talk about this, to offer differing— academics to talk about this, to offer differing critiques of wnai-s— offer differing critiques of was going— offer differing critiques of what's going on, different ways of what's going on, different ways oi anaiysing— what's going on, different ways oi anaiysing ii.— what's going on, different ways of analysing it. we are starting to of analysing it. we are starting io see— of analysing it. we are starting io a— of analysing it. we are starting io a bio— of analysing it. we are starting to see a bit of— of analysing it. we are starting to see a bit of pushback in the iounnais— to see a bit of pushback in the journals-well. _ to see a bit of pushback in the journals well. there was an journals as well. there was an inene— journals as well. there was an inene was— journals as well. there was an inene a— journals as well. there was an there was a paper— journals as well. there was an there was a paper in the iunopean— there was a paper in the european journal of psychotherapy recently questioning— psychotherapy recently questioning a different questioning from a different angie—wouiil questioning from a different. angle _would take, angle than what i would take, but angle than what i would take, bui—io— angle than what i would take, bui—io iaik- angle than what i would take, but—to talk about| but but starting to talk about onese— but but starting to talk about obese—so- but but starting to talk about these-so what- but but starting to talk about these so what we're these questions. so what we're sianing— these questions. so what we're sianing io— these questions. so what we're sianing io see— these questions. so what we're starting to see is— these questions. so what we're starting to see is a— these questions. so what we're starting to see is a little bit oi— starting to see is a little bit more of people— starting to see is a little bit more of people sort of piping up a bio.— more of people sort of piping up a bio. kni— more of people sort of piping up a bit. and that's— more of people sort of piping up a bit. and that's what we want to a bit. and that's what we want io enouage— a bit. and that's what we want to encourage. carolyn i want to encourage colleagues to start to inink— encourage colleagues to start to inink aboui— encourage colleagues to start to think about-and— encourage colleagues to start to think about. and -to - think about this and start to iaik— think about this and start to iaik aboui— think about this and start to talk about it,— think about this and start to talk about it, to— think about this and start to talk about it, to understand inab— talk about it, to understand we wnai— talk about it, to understand that what appears to be a sort of that what appears to be a sort oi weny— that what appears to be a sort oi weny sinne— that what appears to be a sort of very simple, positive thing on—asiuaiiy- of very simple, positive thing on_actually, like| on the surface, actually, like ewenyining— on the surface, actually, like ewenyining-in- on the surface, actually, like everything in life, it has everything else in life, it has inawbaoks— everything else in life, it has drawbacks, right? need to be drawbacks, right? we need to be inab— drawbacks, right? we need to be aware that anything that you pusn— aware that anything that you pusn-iank— aware that anything that you push-dark side- aware that anything that you push dark side as well as push has a dark side as well as a iigni— push has a dark side as well as a iigni siie. — push has a dark side as well as a light side. and— push has a dark side as well as a light side. 'o: a light side. and this is difficult, it? because difficult, isn't it? because whenever infects whenever this ideology infects any institution, it's any particular institution, it's quite who quite unforgiving to those who don't along with it. and that don't go along with it. and that surely means that it is going to get worse in therapy. get worse and worse in therapy. i right. and i think that's right. and i mean, you've seen examples as

i think that's right. and i meaigallagheraen examples as i think that's right. and i meaigallagheraen

rosano by writer and campaigner raquel rosario sanchez. after a controversial move by the university of bristol this week . see you in just two minutes.

welcome back to free speech nation. the university of bristol has banned the public from a feminist society's event with a lawyer critical of the controversial charity stonewall. when students invited akua reindorf to the event , it reindorf to the event, it prompted bosses to limit who attended and asked women talk back. the group behind the debate out to cover half of the security costs . with the event security costs. with the event on the brink of being cancelled, the free speech union funded a venue off campus. education minister clare coutinho led minister clare coutinho has led the backlash to the conditions imposed the university. she imposed by the university. she said learning how have civil said learning how to have civil discussions things we discussions about things we disagree central to the disagree upon is central to the university experience. would university experience. you would have thought anyway. writer

have thought so anyway. writer and campaigner raquel rosario sanchez , who organised the talk, sanchez, who organised the talk, joins in the studio. so joins me now in the studio. so welcome show . so we welcome to the show. so we should probably start at the beginning. so you organise this event through your feminist society and this is akua reindorf, who is a lawyer who had previously criticised the university of essex for their decision to no platform. certain academics, one of whom joe phoenix, was on this show. so you wanted to hear her speak ? you wanted to hear her speak? yes. it was simply an event with iawyens— yes. it was simply an event with lawyers, barristers— “in; it was simply an event with lawyers, barristers and soiisiions— lawyers, barristers and solicitors to - lawyers, barristers and solicitors to talk about women's nignis— solicitors to talk about women's nignis ani— solicitors to talk about women's rights and there— solicitors to talk about women's rights and there was nothing. it asni— rights and there was nothing. it wasn't an event— rights and there was nothing. it wasn't an event to— rights and there was nothing. it wasn't an event to talk specifically _ wasn't an event to talk specifically trans wasn't an event to talk- specifically _trans issues specifically about trans issues . it specifically about trans issues . ii-aboui— specifically about trans issues . it about women's rights. . it was about women's rights. kni— . it was about women's rights. and we— . it was about women's rights. and we thought— . it was about women's rights. and we thought when we've onganisei— and we thought when we've organised all— and we thought when we've organised all the events before, inene— organised all the events before, inene nave— organised all the events before, there have been— organised all the events before, there have been open to the pubiis— there have been open to thei public—organise there have been open to the- public_organise one public and when we organise one inai— public and when we organise one one was— public and when we organise one one iusi— public and when we organise one that was just lawyers, we inougni— that was just lawyers, we thoughtlwas- that was just lawyers, we thought was to be that was just lawyers, we. thoughtlwas-to be a thought it was going to be a straightforward— thought it was going to be a straightforward process that straightforward process and that it straightforward process and that ii—be— straightforward process and that ii—be so- straightforward process and that ii—be so easy.- straightforward process and that it_be so easy. and| it was going to be so easy. and ibis— it was going to be so easy. and ibis was— it was going to be so easy. and ibis ine— it was going to be so easy. and this was the most— it was going to be so easy. and this was the most challenging eveni— this was the most challenging evens-nave— this was the most challenging event-have put- this was the most challenging event have put together event that we have put together bause— event that we have put together besause—saniyi because it was very clear early on inai— because it was very clear early on one one— because it was very clear early on that the university did not wani— on that the university did not wani us— on that the university did not want us there. _ on that the university did not want us there. ' o: on that the university did not want us there. o: on that the university did not want us there. ' o: o: want us there. and they've said that this is to do with secured city right this often when city right now. this often when

we platforming, we get these no platforming, these people being disinvited, security excuse. security seems to be the excuse. yes seems senior yes. it seems that senior nanageneni— yes. it seems that senior management at universities and abso— management at universities and aiso siuieni— management at universities and also student unions like they're iusi— also student unions like they're iusi booking— also student unions like they're just looking for— also student unions like they're just looking for excuses to make inai— just looking for excuses to make sure that free— just looking for excuses to make sure that free speech does not iake— sure that free speech does not iake piase. — sure that free speech does not iake piase. so— sure that free speech does not take place. so they go through a iong— take place. so they go through a bong biso— take place. so they go through a long list restrictions to see long list of restrictions to see wnai— long list of restrictions to see wnai san— long list of restrictions to see wnai we— long list of restrictions to see what can we put— long list of restrictions to see what can we put in place to make suns-ibis— what can we put in place to make sure-this doesn't— what can we put in place to make sure-this doesn't go- what can we put in place to make sure this doesn't go ahead. sure that this doesn't go ahead. kni— sure that this doesn't go ahead. anna in— sure that this doesn't go ahead. anna in oun— sure that this doesn't go ahead. and in our event,— sure that this doesn't go ahead. and in our event, they just they siain— and in our event, they just they siain inai— and in our event, they just they claim that-could- and in our event, they just they claim that could be claim that there could be baskiasn— claim that there could be backlash public disorder from backlash in public disorder from the backlash in public disorder from one-inns— backlash in public disorder from the-trans activist- the students, trans activist asks.— the students, trans activist acas.-response. the students, trans activist acas. response is the students, trans activist- acas.-response is like, acas. and my response is like, webb— acas. and my response is like, peg, soninoi— acas. and my response is like, well, control your— acas. and my response is like, well, control your trans asiiwisis— well, control your trans activists. you - well, control your trans- activists. you _control, activists. you know, control, soninoi— activists. you know, control, control-students- activists. you know, control, control students to make control your students to make inai— control your students to make sure that the— control your students to make sure that the event goes ahead . sure that the event goes ahead. kni— sure that the event goes ahead. ana-siani— sure that the event goes ahead. and didn't happen. and that didn't happen. but suneiy— and that didn't happen. but. suneiy—kinu surely there must be some kind of punishing for students that kick off , shall we say, if kick off, shall we say, if they're going to cause a violent spectacle. they're the problem . spectacle. they're the problem. i say so. but, you know , i would say so. but, you know, baseb— i would say so. but, you know, based on— i would say so. but, you know, based on my— i would say so. but, you know, based on my own— i would say so. but, you know, based on my own experience as a sense— based on my own experience as a student-university- based on my own experience as a student university of student at the university of bnisioi— student at the university of bnisioi ani— student at the university of bristol and what we have wiinessesi— bristol and what we have witnessed, trans activist siuienis— witnessed, trans activist students do _ witnessed, trans activist students do inside and outside sapus— students do inside and outside sapus ai— students do inside and outside campus at university really campus at the university really nas— campus at the university really be synpainies— campus at the university really has sympathies with the pnoiesiens— has sympathies with the protesters and not with everyone eise— protesters and not with everyone eise. kni— protesters and not with everyone eise. ana io— protesters and not with everyone eise. ana io io— protesters and not with everyone else. and to to the— protesters and not with everyone else. and to to the the point inai— else. and to to the the point one iney— else. and to to the the point that they have— else. and to to the the point that they have gone to court and

anguei— that they have gone to court and anguei-io— that they have gone to court and anguei-io noi- that they have gone to court and argued-do not have. that they have gone to court and argued do not have a argued that they do not have a busy— argued that they do not have a iuiylsane— argued that they do not have a iuiylsane io— argued that they do not have a duty-care to those- argued that they do not have a duty care to those people who duty of care to those people who are duty of care to those people who iangeiesi— duty of care to those people who are targeted, for— duty of care to those people who are targeted, for example, ieninisis— are targeted, for example, feminists-me,- are targeted, for example, feminists me, instead, they feminists like me, instead, they nave— feminists like me, instead, they nave-oi— feminists like me, instead, they nave-oi-io- feminists like me, instead, they have of to everyone have a duty of care to everyone eise— have a duty of care to everyone eiselinai-s— have a duty of care to everyone else..that's very— have a duty of care to everyone else. that's very much the else. so that's very much the uniwensiiy— else. so that's very much the uniwensiiy-a- else. so that's very much the university-a-on. else. so that's very much the. university-a-on that else. so that's very much the. unithat ty-a -on that else. so that's very much the unithat particulara on that else. so that's very much the unithat particular ideologicalat on that particular ideological ves— on that particular ideological issue. yes. whereas- on that particular ideological issue. “in; �*fio�* on that particular ideological issue. /ois , issue. yes. whereas of course, they've got a duty to care to everyone. you would have thought. i would thought. everyone. you would have thougthough?ild thought. everyone. you would have thougthough? akua thought. everyone. you would have thougthough? akua reindorf, it. everyone. you would have thougthough? akua reindorf, a why, though? akua reindorf, a lawyer individual lawyer. why is this individual so controversial able to the activists? i no idea. and activists? i have no idea. and you— activists? i have no idea. and you-wnai?— activists? i have no idea. and you-wnaii on- activists? i have no idea. and you-what? on friday- ec , ss7 i have no idea. and you what? on friday night, you know what? on friday night, bause— you know what? on friday night, because we were— you know what? on friday night, because we were able to find a seson— because we were able to find a second venue, we— because we were able to find a second venue, we have to scenarios taking place in bnisioi— scenarios taking place in bnisioi .— scenarios taking place in bristol . we— scenarios taking place in bristol . we had a meeting bristol. we had a meeting a sensibie— bristol. we had a meeting a sensibie :— bristol. we had a meeting a sensible , sombre meeting with sensible, sombre meeting with ieninisi— sensible, sombre meeting with feminist lawyers— sensible, sombre meeting with feminist lawyers talking about women's rights— feminist lawyers talking about women's rights ._ feminist lawyers talking about women's rights . acquah speech women's rights. acquah speech aboui— women's rights. acquah speech was about migrant women and the expioiiaiion— was about migrant women and the exploitation that— was about migrant women and the exploitation that they often iase — exploitation that they often iase ani — exploitation that they often face and how— exploitation that they often face and how they're incredibly wuinenabie— face and how they're incredibly vulnerable-mean,- face and how they're incredibly vulnerable mean, had vulnerable. i mean, it had noining— vulnerable. i mean, it had noining io— vulnerable. i mean, it had nothing to .with- vulnerable. i mean, it had nothing to with controversy. nothing to do with controversy. sonene— nothing to do with controversy. sonene abbe— nothing to do with controversy. so .were able to _ nothing to do with controversy. so were able to this so we were able to hold this even-i — so we were able to hold this even-i ii— so we were able to hold this event. it was— so we were able to hold this event. it was a— so we were able to hold this event. it was a lively discussion.- event. it was a lively discussion. it- event. it was a lively discussion. it was women engaging— discussion. it was women - engaging—engaging- engaging the public, engaging. and engaging the public, engaging. kni inen— engaging the public, engaging. one be on— engaging the public, engaging. and then on the— engaging the public, engaging. and then on the other side, we nai— and then on the other side, we baa inans— and then on the other side, we had trans activist— and then on the other side, we had trans activist students nunning:— had trans activist students running, roaming around the sapus— running, roaming around the campus university of campus of the university of bnisioi— campus of the university of bnisioi-ion- campus of the university of bristol for women to bristol looking for women to abuse— bristol looking for women to abuse kni— bristol looking for women to abuse. and instead of supporting

the abuse. and instead of supporting one iawyens— abuse. and instead of supporting the lawyers and— abuse. and instead of supporting the lawyers and the women who are the lawyers and the women who iusi— the lawyers and the women who iusi inying— the lawyers and the women who iusi inying io— the lawyers and the women who are just trying to meet to talk aboui— are just trying to meet to talk aboui-nignis— are just trying to meet to talk about-rights, the- about their rights, the university— about their rights, the university sides with the pnoiesiens. — university sides with the- protesters. - related protesters. so is this related to protesters. so is this related io ine— protesters. so is this related io one nepon— protesters. so is this related to the report that akua reindorf wnoie— to the report that akua reindorf wnoie aboui— to the report that akua reindorf wrote about stonewall when it sane-ine— wrote about stonewall when it came the university of essex came to the university of essex 7 came to the university of essex i —io — came to the university of essex ? _to academicl ? deplatforming to academic sites because of threats from trans activists ? akua randolph trans activists? akua randolph wrote that actually they were wrong in their decision and that they shouldn't have de—platformed this. and also that stonewall have misled that stonewall might have misled them they should them to believe that they should be deplatforming people for reasons of equality. is that what really about? the what this is really about? the layers of irony in story layers of irony in this story are much, you know, are just too much, you know, because would have thought because you would have thought like, well, we would have, we would thought the would we thought that the university proud university would be proud that au students acquah au students brought acquah reindorf. and amazing reindorf. and this amazing iawyens— reindorf. and this amazing iawyens wno— reindorf. and this amazing lawyers who are - ”oi i:oio” and this amazing lawyers who are highly respectable _ lawyers who are highly respectable at lawyers who are highly respectable - at top lawyers who are highly respectable-at top of respectable women at the top of insin— respectable women at the top of their profession— respectable women at the top of their profession ._ respectable women at the top of their profession . but it turns their profession. but it turns oui— their profession. but it turns oui-iney— their profession. but it turns oui-obey ieii- their profession. but it turns out they felt like out that they felt like something- out that they felt like something else. you know , and i something else. you know, and i inink— something else. you know, and i inink inai— something else. you know, and i think that the— something else. you know, and i think that the irony is really is neaiiy— think that the irony is really is really interesting because inans— is really interesting because trans activist— is really interesting because trans activist organisations bike— trans activist organisations iike ine— trans activist organisations like the controversial charity iiennaiis — like the controversial charity mermaids,-is- like the controversial charity mermaids, is currently mermaids, which is currently being— mermaids, which is currently being investigated by the snaniiy— being investigated by the charity commission, they have been — charity commission, they have been on— charity commission, they have

been on campus— charity commission, they have been on campus open to the pubiis— been on campus open to the pubiis baking— been on campus open to the public having all of these ewensi— public having all of these events-liberty. public having all of these events liberty that events with the liberty that iney— events with the liberty that obey-naving. - events with the liberty that they having. this they should be having. this eveni— they should be having. this event. meanwhile, feminists event. but meanwhile, feminists inying— event. but meanwhile, feminists inyinglneei— event. but meanwhile, feminists inyinglneei io— event. but meanwhile, feminists trying meet to discuss their trying to meet to discuss their nignis— trying to meet to discuss their rights somehow— trying to meet to discuss their rights somehow we are beyond the pais— rights somehow we are beyond the paie ani— rights somehow we are beyond the pale and restrictions have to be put pale and restrictions have to be pus—ins— put in place. so it's interesting. :�* put in place. so it's- interesting. i mean, i'm all put in place. so it's— interesting. i mean, i'm all for peaceful protest. i think people should to protest for should be able to protest for whatever want. it whatever they want. but when it comes to threatening, threatening and harassment and abuse down abuse and shutting things down forcibly, far as i'm forcibly, that's as far as i'm concerned, step far. concerned, takes a step too far. is there just a major problem with speech campuses with free speech on campuses now? absolutely. and i think inai— now? absolutely. and i think one wnai— 7 absolutely. and i think that what happened on friday wiin— that what happened on friday we nespesi— that what happened on friday with respect to— that what happened on friday with respect to the university of with respect to the university oi—ekanpie- with respect to the university of_example that| of bristol is an example that beione— of bristol is an example that beione ii— of bristol is an example that before it used— of bristol is an example that before it used to— of bristol is an example that before it used to be, well , you before it used to be, well, you nave— before it used to be, well, you have feminists— before it used to be, well, you have feminists who advocate for sex have feminists who advocate for baseb— have feminists who advocate for sex based rights— have feminists who advocate for sex based rights and trans asiiwisi— sex based rights and trans activist protesters, but the universities— activist protesters, but the universities are - activist protesters, but the universities are trying to just bike— universities are trying to just iike keep— universities are trying to just like keep this— universities are trying to just like keep this balance . now, like keep this balance. now, inene— like keep this balance. now, ones is— like keep this balance. now, ones is no— like keep this balance. now, there is no balance now. it is asaienis— there is no balance now. it is academic institutions clearly skiing— academic institutions clearly siiing wiin— academic institutions clearly siding with people who want to snub— siding with people who want to snui iown — siding with people who want to shut down free— siding with people who want to shut down free speech and the ineeion— shut down free speech and the ineeion oi— shut down free speech and the freedom of assembly of women. knu— freedom of assembly of women. and bike— freedom of assembly of women. and bike-say.— freedom of assembly of women. and like-say, when- freedom of assembly of women. and like-say, when you- freedom of assembly of women. and like you say, when you have these groups, they're not these other groups, they're not attacked they're abused, attacked, they're not abused, and shut down. and and they're not shut down. and obviously, women not going obviously, women are not going

to obviously, women are not going iolio— obviously, women are not going iolio inose— obviously, women are not going to.to those events- obviously, women are not going to to those events trying to to go to those events trying to snub— to go to those events trying to snui ii— to go to those events trying to snui is down. — to go to those events trying to shut it down. we— to go to those events trying to shut it down. we just we enabled inose—.— shut it down. we just we enabled inose—. we— those discussions. we want peopie— people to talk about trans nignis— people to talk about trans nignis-way— people to talk about trans rights way they see rights the way that they see in — rights the way that they see in iwani— rights the way that they see in iwani io — rights the way that they see fit. want to encourage fit. we want to encourage a siinaie— fit. we want to encourage a siinaie in— fit. we want to encourage a climate in which- fit. we want to encourage a climate in which these topics be— climate in which these topics can be can can— climate in which these topics can be can can take place. but one— can be can can take place. but one one— can be can can take place. but the other side— can be can can take place. but the other side of— can be can can take place. but the other side of the debate, iney— the other side of the debate, be no— the other side of the debate, iney oio-wani— the other side of the debate, they do -want the - the other side of the debate, they do want the debate to they do not want the debate to iake— they do not want the debate to iake-ani— they do not want the debate to iake-and iney— they do not want the debate to take - and they - not i take place and they want not oniy— take place and they want not oniy io— take place and they want not oniy io-iown— take place and they want not only to down conversations only to shut down conversations aboui— only to shut down conversations aboui-nignis— only to shut down conversations about-rights,-shut- only to shut down conversations aboutconversations shut only to shut down conversations aboutconversations aboutit only to shut down conversations about conversations about women's down conversations about women's nignis— down conversations about women's nignislgenenai— down conversations about women's nignislgenenai in— down conversations about women's rights-general in the— down conversations about women's rights general in the law, rights in general in the law, wnisn— rights in general in the law, wnisn is— rights in general in the law, which is what— rights in general in the law, which is what our event was aboui. — which is what our event was aboui. knu— which is what our event was about. and do— which is what our event was about. and do you- which is what our event was about. o: i:oio which is what our event was about. gs about. and do you see things getting better anytime soon? i thought that they be thought that they would be beiien. — better. i genuinely thought i nave— better. i genuinely thought i nave been— better. i genuinely thought i have been organised in events ani— have been organised in events ans-io— have been organised in events ani-io ny- have been organised in events and-do my work- have been organised in events and do my work and my and trying to do my work and my asiiwisn — and trying to do my work and my asiiwisn ai— and trying to do my work and my activism at the— and trying to do my work and my activism at the university of bnisioi— activism at the university of bnisioi ion— activism at the university of bristol for a— activism at the university of bristol for a number of years. kni— bristol for a number of years. analgenuineiy— bristol for a number of years. and genuinely thought and i genuinely thought that inings—anil and i genuinely thought thati inings—ani be things would improve and be beiien— things would improve and be beiien. kni— things would improve and be better. and i'm— things would improve and be better. and i'm taken aback and i'm better. and i'm taken aback and in sunpnisei— better. and i'm taken aback and i'm surprised that— better. and i'm taken aback and i'm surprised that it seems that inings— i'm surprised that it seems that inings nave— i'm surprised that it seems that things have become more sonieniious— things have become more contentious and worse . t: contentious and worse. raquel kosanio— contentious and worse. raquel rosario sanchez, thanks so much for joining me tonight. really forjoining me tonight. really appreciate it . so a university appreciate it. so a university of bristol spokesperson has said we are firmly committed to upholding freedom of speech and

welcome members of our community. arnie to invite a wide range of speakers onto our campus. we also have a duty to ensure events are carried out in a safe manner which doesn't endanger the others, the spokesperson added . the event spokesperson added. the event was but as related was approved, but as related women back events have women talk back events have previously attracted significant protest and disorder. we decided additional security was required and that admission should be restricted to staff and students only. so that's their statement. in the interests of balance. but look, it's time now for a break. but please do not go anywhere. there is so much more to come between now and 9:00. we have got an interview with scott nick hewer tonight, a woman who transitioned to a trans man at the age of 42. and scott has had to recover from several near—death experiences during to recover from several nea process. experiences during to recover from several nea process. and riences during to recover from several nea process. and will:es during to recover from several nea process. and will be during the process. and will be revealing all in the next hour. and is the scottish government mounting an elitist assault on the justice system ? we'll also the justice system? we'll also be talking again to our panel and getting some questions from our lovely studio audience. see you few minutes .

crown, a thousand year story on gb news britain's news. channel there's plenty more still to come on free— there's plenty more still to come on free speech nation this week:— come on free speech nation this week, including— come on free speech nation this week, including questions from our viewers. and— week, including questions from our viewers. and we're going to be speaking— our viewers. and we're going to be speaking nugent, who be speaking to scott nugent, who inansiiionei— be speaking to scott nugent, who transitioned to— be speaking to scott nugent, who transitioned to a— be speaking to scott nugent, who transitioned to a trans man six yeans— transitioned to a trans man six yeans ago.— transitioned to a trans man six years ago. survived years ago. scott survived sewenai— years ago. scott survived several near—death experiences ani— several near—death experiences and ieiis— several near—death experiences aniieiis nis— several near—death experiences and tells his story— several near—death experiences and tells his story shortly, but ii-s— and tells his story shortly, but is one— and tells his story shortly, but now it's the headlines with kanon — now it's the headlines with aaron armstrong . aaron armstrong. thank you, andrew. let's get you up to date with the headlines from the gb newsroom. a british national is hoping to flee the fighting in sudan are being urged to catch an extra flight, leaving for the uk tomorrow. it will from uk tomorrow. it will depart from the of port sudan, the eastern city of port sudan, where earlier the first shipment of humanitarian aid arrived for the millions of people trapped in capital, khartoum. those

in the capital, khartoum. those hoping to leave are being told to to international to get to the international airport before midday. british navy ships have also docked in port sudan to support the evacuation efforts. rival military forces , though, have military forces, though, have accused each other of fresh violations of a ceasefire as the deadly conflict continues for a third week, the health secretary says the 28 hour nursing strike is premature and disrespectful to other unions. the royal college of nursing are working out , having rejected the latest out, having rejected the latest government offer. the strike is starting now at 8:00. however, the rcn says national exemptions are in place to provide critical care during the strike, following talks with nhs england. the public are being urged to use the nhs wisely. steve barclay, though, says he's hopeful the dispute can be resolved when health unions, employers and government representatives meet later this week. the staff council is due to meet on tuesday. i'm cautiously optimistic that the siaii— cautiously optimistic that the staff council— cautiously optimistic that the staff council will agree to then woie —

staff council will agree to then woie in— staff council will agree to then vote in favour— staff council will agree to then vote in favour of— staff council will agree to then vote in favour of the deal, but i vote in favour of the deal, but i inink— vote in favour of the deal, but i inink ii-s— vote in favour of the deal, but i think it's right— vote in favour of the deal, but i think it's right to wait until iuesiay— i think it's right to wait until iuesiay ion— i think it's right to wait until tuesday for the— i think it's right to wait until tuesday for the staff council to nee— tuesday for the staff council to neei ani — tuesday for the staff council to meet and this— tuesday for the staff council to meet and this strike is pnenaiune. — meet and this strike is premature. i- meet and this strike is premature. i think it's disrespect— premature. i think it's disrespect awful to the other inaie— disrespect awful to the other trade unions— disrespect awful to the other trade unions ._ disrespect awful to the other trade unions. i— disrespect awful to the other trade unions. i think the rcn snouii— trade unions. i think the rcn should have— trade unions. i think the rcn should have waited . they're a should have waited. they're a nennbe— should have waited. they're a nenbenline— should have waited. they're a member-the staff- should have waited. they're a member the staff council . member of the staff council. t hey— member of the staff council. iney—ine - they were part of the negotiations- they were part of the negotiations and as i say, pat suiien— negotiations and as i say, pat cullen herself— negotiations and as i say, pat cullen herself recommend added this cullen herself recommend added ibis-nen— cullen herself recommend added this-her members- cullen herself recommend added this her members . this deal to her members. liz inuss— this deal to her members. liz inuss is— this deal to her members. liz truss is disputing— this deal to her members. liz truss is disputing a- this deal to her members. liz truss is disputing a government bill related to her use of a grace and favour country house while she was foreign secretary. the former prime minister has been asked to pay back around £12,000 for costs incurred at the evening estate in kent. it covers the period last summer when she was fighting the conservative leadership campaign against rishi sunak. the bill was largely for hospitality , but was largely for hospitality, but also included some missing items such as bathrobes . ms truss says such as bathrobes. ms truss says she will replace those is and it mostly relates to official government business rather than personal expenses . the man personal expenses. the man suspected of killing five of his

neighbours, including an eight year old boy, on friday, could be anywhere by now, according to authorities in texas, police believe francisco oropeza attacked the family next door after being asked to stop firing after being asked to stop firing a semi—automatic weapon in his garden. police have widened the search area to a 20 mile radius around the town of cleveland. that's to the north of houston. the suspect, who's mexican , is the suspect, who's mexican, is believed to have fled the united states . and the british army has states. and the british army has begun rehearsals for the coronation next week end. soldiers from all divisions of the armed forces have gathered at areas across south london to prepare for the ceremonial event . soldiers have flown home from operation nile, duty from as far afield as cyprus, iraq and kenya to represent their regiments and cause at the event on tv online dab plus tunein radio . this is dab plus tunein radio. this is gb news. now it's back to andrew and free speech nation .

and free speech nation. welcome back to free speech nation. with me, andrew doyle . nation. with me, andrew doyle. so nation. with me, andrew doyle. so w-wee— nation. with me, andrew doyle. so goi— nation. with me, andrew doyle. so goi a— k iii" with me, andrew doyle. so we've got a wonderful studio auiiense— so we've got a wonderful studio audience here.— so we've got a wonderful studio audience here. let's get some guesiions— audience here. let's get some questions from _ audience here. let's get some questions from them. our first is— questions from them. our first is inon — questions from them. our first one is from paul.— questions from them. our first one is from paul. paul hello. hi, one is from paul. paul hello. ni kninew. — one is from paul. paul hello. hi, andrew. : hi, andrew. should i leave valuable items in my shed ? valuable items in my shed? well, that's very much up to you,— well, that's very much up to you naui. — well, that's very much up to you, naui. bui— well, that's very much up to you, paul. but this is about aboui— you, paul. but this is about aboui ine— you, paul. but this is about about the recent- you, paul. but this is about about the recent police policy, wnisn— about the recent police policy, wnisn eas— about the recent police policy, which means that— about the recent police policy, which means that thefts from sneis— which means that thefts from snesis ani— which means that thefts from sheds and outbuildings, they're no iongen— sheds and outbuildings, they're no iongen going— sheds and outbuildings, they're no longer going to be recorded as none— no longer going to be recorded as home break— no longer going to be recorded as home break ins. and this is sise— as home break ins. and this is zen:— as home break ins. and this is since 2017, police— as home break ins. and this is since 2017, police in england ani— since 2017, police in england and wakes— since 2017, police in england and wales have— since 2017, police in england and wales have considered any ionesiis— and wales have considered any domestic burglary— and wales have considered any domestic burglary to include not just domestic burglary to include not iusi ine— domestic burglary to include not iusi one nouse— domestic burglary to include not just the house, but obviously all just the house, but obviously aii ine— just the house, but obviously all the buildings around the nouse— all the buildings around the nouse bui— all the buildings around the house. but that's now been sbangesi— house. but that's now been changed. chris— house. but that's now been changed. chris gunter what do you— changed. chris gunter what do you make— changed. chris gunter what do you make oi— changed. chris gunter what do you make of this— changed. chris gunter what do you make of this one after ewenyboay-s— you make of this one after everybody's lockdown , everybody's had a lockdown, ewenyboay-s— everybody's had a lockdown, everybody's working from home and everybody's working from home ans-insin— everybody's working from home and-their laptop— everybody's working from home and their laptop stored in and got their laptop stored in the and got their laptop stored in one-wno— and got their laptop stored in the-who-their- and got their laptop stored in. the _who -their laptop the shed, who puts their laptop inlsnei— the shed, who puts their laptop inlsnei i — the shed, who puts their laptop inlsneii -goi- the shed, who puts their laptop inlshed ? -got a- the shed, who puts their laptop in shed ? goio ”oifo: oi in a shed? i've got a friend. he spends all his in his shed spends all his time in his shed now. that's his special working,

you know, the man cave. but now it's means that it's 24/7. but this means that anyining— it's 24/7. but this means that anyining inai— it's 24/7. but this means that anything that gets— i i7”: but this means that anything that gets stolen from you— anything that gets stolen from youn-inai-s— anything that gets stolen from your-that's-really. your shed, that's not really insin— your shed, that's not really ibeii—ii-sl your shed, that's not really. theft._|t's not theft. well, it's not. it's not a usnesiis— theft. well, it's not. it's not a domestic burglary, is it? what is then? i don't know. is it, then? i don't know. that's that's a really good question. so the thing is, inougn— question. so the thing is, inougn-so- question. so the thing is, though,-so many- question. so the thing is,- though,-so many people, though, josh, so many people, wnen— though, josh, so many people, wnen-wnen— though, josh, so many people, when-when-breakj though, josh, so many people,- when -when-break into when they when people break into the when they when people break into one—ioni— when they when people break into the—don't bother- the house, they don't bother saiiing— the house, they don't bother saiiing ine— the house, they don't bother calling the police now because iney— calling the police now because obey—going- calling the police now becausei obey—goinglbe they know nothing's going to be none. — they know nothing's going to be gone. —a— they know nothing's going to be done._a number,- they know nothing's going to bei done._a number, you done. you just get a number, you know:— done. you just get a number, you know: kni— done. you just get a number, you know: one you— done. you just get a number, you know, and you know, we had someone-into- know, and you know, we had someone-into our- know, and you know, we had someone into our house and someone break into our house and nosing:— someone break into our house and nosing-know:— someone break into our house and nothing, know, smashed the nothing, you know, smashed the window. — nothing, you know, smashed the window. lis— nothing, you know, smashed the window.lis this— nothing, you know, smashed the window. lis this a— nothing, you know, smashed the window. is this a good idea? you know, is this a good idea? wow— you know, is this a good idea? wow io— you know, is this a good idea? wow io son— you know, is this a good idea? now to sort-limit- you know, is this a good idea? now to sort limit the amount now to sort of limit the amount of investigation?— now to sort of limit the amount of investigation? i ogoi“ is of investigation? it's a genius idea.— of investigation? it's a genius idea. not have to hold the idea. so to not have to hold the police to account, to do their job they're going job because they're just going to the so soon, to lessen the quality so soon, it'll only if they stole it'll be only if they stole diamonds. is a house. yes that's a technically a burglary. and then they're wearing a then also, if they're wearing a stripy yes. then stripy shirt. yes. then technically only technically that's the only thing. that's technically that's the only thing . that's when i was in new thing. that's when i was in new wonk— thing. that's when i was in new konk neseniiy— thing. that's when i was in new york recently. that's— g that's when i was in new york recently. that's not a boasi— york recently. that's not a boasi. i— york recently. that's not a boast. i was— york recently. that's not a boast. i was there and i went inso— boast. i was there and i went inio a— boast. i was there and i went inio a snop— boast. i was there and i went into a shop-buy- boast. i was there and i went into a shop buy some shampoo, into a shop to buy some shampoo, wnisn— into a shop to buy some shampoo, wnisn-nonnai— into a shop to buy some shampoo, which-normal-you- which is a normal item, you wouii— which is a normal item, you wouisi nave— which is a normal item, you would have-and. which is a normal item, you would have and it which is a normal item, you- would have-and it was would have thought, and it was being— would have thought, and it was benini a— would have thought, and it was behind a glass— would have thought, and it was behind a glass screen. and then i behind a glass screen. and then i suiieniy— behind a glass screen. and then i suddenly realised everything

unbe— i suddenly realised everything unien—iio- i suddenly realised everything under_ £10 was. under the value of £10 was being— under the value of £10 was behind-screen. - behind a glass screen. and i iouni— behind a glass screen. and i iouni oui— behind a glass screen. and i found out later— behind a glass screen. and i found out later that it's bause— found out later that it's because in— found out later that it's because in new york they passed a iaw— because in new york they passed a iaw-uniess— because in new york they passed a law-unless the— because in new york they passed a law unless the value of a law that unless the value of one— a law that unless the value of one-is— a law that unless the value of one-is owne- a law that unless the value of the is over $1,000, it the burglary is over $1,000, it ioesn-i— the burglary is over $1,000, it ioesn-i-as— the burglary is over $1,000, it ioesn-i-as a— the burglary is over $1,000, it doesn't as a crime. and so doesn't count as a crime. and so ani— doesn't count as a crime. and so and—inai- doesn't count as a crime. and so and—inai is- and the reason for that is bause— and the reason for that is because-many- and the reason for that is because many looters were because so many looters were iusi— because so many looters were iusi going— because so many looters were iusi going in— because so many looters were just going in with— because so many looters were just going in with shopping baskeis— just going in with shopping baskets, taking out. baskets, taking stuff out. and so—poini- baskets, taking stuff out. and so—poini oi- baskets, taking stuff out. and so_point ofllaw?j so what's the point of a law? wnai-s— so what's the point of a law? wnai-s ine— so what's the point of a law? what's the point— so what's the point of a law? what's the point law? �*vw�*oi; what's the point of law? well, the what's the point of law? well, ins-oi— what's the point of law? well, ins-sinis— what's the point of law? well, ins-oi-is so- what's the point of law? well, the-of-is so that- what's the point of law? well, the-of-is so that if. the point of law is so that if you break it, there are consequences, right? so what they're the they're doing is lessening the law, so we're law, aren't they? so we're obviously in the wrong job. obviously all in the wrong job. perhaps we should into perhaps we should look into burglary, has become burglary, which has become thieves. yeah, sounds you'd thieves. yeah, that sounds you'd nake— thieves. yeah, that sounds you'd make—bo- thieves. yeah, that sounds you'd make—bo you| make a very good thief. do you inink— make a very good thief. do you ininklio:— make a very good thief. do you thinkldo, yeah.— make a very good thief. do you thinkldo, yeah. i— make a very good thief. do you think do, yeah. i think it's think i do, yeah. i think it's a inusiwonny— think i do, yeah. i think it's a trustworthy face.— think i do, yeah. i think it's a trustworthy face. exactly. inai-s— trustworthy face. exactly. inai-sine— trustworthy face. exactly. that's the thing. and an evil iaugn— that's the thing. and an evil iaugnlweii. — that's the thing. and an evil laugh-well. yeah- that's the thing. and an evil laugh well. yeah they never laugh as well. yeah they never know.— laugh as well. yeah they never nowweie-— laugh as well. yeah they never know.-we're going- laugh as well. yeah they never know. we're going move laugh as well. yeah they never knkto we're going move laugh as well. yeah they never knkto another'e're going move laugh as well. yeah they never knkto another question.| move laugh as well. yeah they never knkto another question.| rone on to another question. this one is—wnene-s- on to another question. this one is_where's barry?- is from barry. where's barry? kne— is from barry. where's barry? be you— is from barry. where's barry? kne you bannyi— is from barry. where's barry? are you barry? hello? ' ”oi are you barry? hello? are we set for. are you barry? hello? are we set ion. kne— are you barry? hello? are we set ion. kne we— are you barry? hello? are we set for. are we set for a biden trump rematch? oh, yeah. this is fun. so week, trump rematch? oh, yeah. this is fun. so-week, biden- trump rematch? oh, yeah. this is fun. so-week, biden as- trump rematch? oh, yeah. this is fun. so -week, biden as we. fun. so this week, biden as we knew— fun. so this week, biden as we knew inai— fun. so this week, biden as we knew that was— fun. so this week, biden as we knew that was going to happen, nes— knew that was going to happen, he's-launched- knew that was going to happen, he's-launched his- he's formally launched his sanpaign— he's formally launched his campaign second term. of campaign for a second term. of sounsenunn-ip- campaign for a second term. of course,-trump did- campaign for a second term. of course, trump did that course, donald trump did that aboui—sol course, donald trump did that. aboui—so we about four years ago. and so we know— about four years ago. and so we know-obeye— about four years ago. and so we know -they're both- about four years ago. and so we know they're both running. know that they're both running. ibis—wu— know that they're both running. ibis—wu. ii-s- this is it's deja vu. it's

happening— this is it's deja vu. it's happening over again. but happening all over again. but appaneniiy— happening all over again. but appaneniiy a— happening all over again. but appaneniiy a boi— happening all over again. but apparently a lot of people are iosing— apparently a lot of people are losing-america. . losing interest in america. ineyie— losing interest in america. ineyie-i- losing interest in america. they're-i think. losing interest in america.| they're-i think it's losing interest in america.- they're-i think it's only they're bored. i think it's only 6, 6% of americans want to see a rematch between and you rematch between the two. and you know, biden's old. know, biden's 80 years old. trump it's two people. trump is 76. it's two people. you know, i don't want to be ageist or anything, although is it the guardian? i read an article said two white men against each other. it's just like, look, that's assuming that biden makes it, because if he doesn't, then we'll have a woman of colour. that's a very negaiiwe— of colour. that's a very negative view. - , ” that's a very negative view. i of colour. that's a very- negative view. but it is true, isn't it? i mean,— negative view. but it is true, isn't it? i mean, he's- negative view. i i c7” i mean, he's 80 years isn't it? i mean, he's 80 years old:— isn't it? i mean, he's 80 years gg, you— isn't it? i mean, he's 80 years oio: you know:— i c7” i mean, he's 80 years old, you know, anything could nappen— old, you know, anything could nappen. inanks— old, you know, anything could happen. thanks for that note. knyibing— happen. thanks for that note. knyining souiu— happen. thanks for that note. anything could happen- happen. thanks for that note. anything could happen to- happen. thanks for that note. anything could happen to any of us. but you know, but there is something i mean, americans like their statesman, don't their elderly statesman, don't they? they them more. but they? they trust them more. but this they? they trust them more. but ibis—noes- they? they trust them more. but this—does seem. this is you know, it does seem bizanne— this is you know, it does seem bizarrelme_ this is you know, it does seem bizarre-me that— this is you know, it does seem bizarre me that the bizarre to me that the republicans- bizarre to me that the republicans don't get ron besaniis— republicans don't get ron desantis, because you put ron desantis, because if you put ron besaniis— desantis, because if you put ron desantis_biden,| desantis against against biden, inen—nean- then that's that's i mean, it's a no soniesi— then that's that's i mean, it's a no contest-isn't- then that's that's i mean, it's a no contest isn't it? a no contest then, isn't it? wean. — a no contest then, isn't it? wean. i— a no contest then, isn't it? yeah. i mean,- a no contest then, isn't it? yeah. i mean, at- a no contest then, isn't it? yeah. a no contest then, isn't it?- yeah. i mean, at the moment, from most polls, it seems like biden if he was against biden is if he was against trump, win. yes. and trump, he would win. yes. and even though but he's against even though but if he's against desantis, can actually see.

desantis, who can actually see. absolutely. a absolutely. yeah. someone a bit of yeah. someone with of vitality. yeah. someone with a—biien— of vitality. yeah. someone with a_biden doesn't. a pulse which biden doesn't nawe. — a pulse which biden doesn't nawe. bui— a pulse which biden doesn't have. but then— a pulse which biden doesn't have. but then but- a pulse which biden doesn't have. s; have. but then but but still, the republican is the republican party is terrified of trump. i don't understand it. he keeps well inai-s— understand it. he keeps well inai-s ineyie — understand it. he keeps well that's they're-self- understand it. he keeps well that's they're-self selfi that's they're doing self self damage.— that's they're doing self self ianage. i— that's they're doing self self damage. i would have liked to that's they're doing self self daméseen would have liked to that's they're doing self self daméseen aould have liked to that's they're doing self self daméseen a hillary ve liked to that's they're doing self self daméseen a hillary trumpd to have seen a hillary trump nenaisb— have seen a hillary trump rematch. that— have seen a hillary trump rematch. that would have been guise—snail rematch. that would have been quiteihave_that. rematch. that would have been quite have been that rematch. that would have been quite have been more that rematch. that would have been quite have been more fun,at would have been more fun, wouiin-i— would have been more fun, wouldn't it?— would have been more fun, wouldn't it? it— would have been more fun, wouldn't it? it would be fun to waisb— wouldn't it? it would be fun to waisb-bui— wouldn't it? it would be fun to waisb-bui i— wouldn't it? it would be fun to watch. but i mean, just watch. yeah. but i mean, it just sinikes— watch. yeah. but i mean, it just sinikes ne— watch. yeah. but i mean, it just sinikes me as— watch. yeah. but i mean, it just strikes me as hopeless. you know:— strikes me as hopeless. you knowlion-i— strikes me as hopeless. you know, don't know why strikes me as hopeless. you know,idon't know why is know, i don't know why biden is even—i— know, i don't know why biden is even—i supposel even running again, i suppose bause— even running again, i suppose because-so well- even running again, i suppose because so well in the because he did so well in the niiienns— because he did so well in the niiienns as— because he did so well in the midterms as well. /oi:o. because he did so well in the midterms as well. v/oio because he did so well in the midterms as well. v/oi:o. midterms as well. you know, he did the midterms. he's did well in the midterms. he's obviously he's run for obviously he's he's run for president times. in president four times. he's in there now. he doesn't want to give up and maybe believe it or not, him thinks that he not, part of him thinks that he could good. but come on. i could do good. but come on. i ne— could do good. but come on. i mean, he was-ireland- ,: i:oio g: but come on. i mean, he was ireland the mean, he was in ireland the one— mean, he was in ireland the one week— mean, he was in ireland the other week and _ mean, he was in ireland the other week and he mixed up the all other week and he mixed up the aii—ine— other week and he mixed up the aii—ine biask- other week and he mixed up the all—the black and. all blacks with the black and ians— all blacks with the black and ians-guiie— all blacks with the black andi tans. - quite - know, tans. that's quite a you know, ibis— tans. that's quite a you know, ibis is— tans. that's quite a you know, ibis is noi— tans. that's quite a you know, this is not someone started baking— this is not someone started iaking bin — this is not someone started taking him off— this is not someone started taking him off now, is he? ikuwn— taking him off now, is he? trump practically- taking him off now, is he? trump practically doing a sort of minutes. yeah. yeah. of stand up minutes. yeah. yeah. he's just going to be he's oh, it's just going to be a ridiculous election, isn't it? oh, god. oh. well, anyway, let's move on lanother_ oh, god. oh. well, anyway, let's move on another question. move on to another question. ibis—wnenei move on to another question.| ibis—wnene is this one's from pete. where is ieiei — this one's from pete. where is ieiei ni— this one's from pete. where is pete? hi, andrew.— this one's from pete. where is

pete? ' o: this one's from pete. where is pete? : pete? hi, andrew. hello. well, the week become the five day working week become a of the past. yeah, i'm a thing of the past. yeah, i'm quite interested— a thing of the past. yeah, i'm quite interested in— a thing of the past. yeah, i'm quite interested in this- g yeah, i'm quite interested in this because just quite interested in this because iusilgiwe— quite interested in this because iusilgiwe you— quite interested in this because just give you background just to give you some background to just to give you some background io—is— just to give you some background io—is souin- to this. so this is south cambridgeshire council and obey-ne— cambridgeshire council and they're thinking to expect obey-ne— they're thinking to expect they're _extend l they're going to extend their inai— they're going to extend their iniai—iay- they're going to extend their trial day working trial on the four day working week—monthsl trial on the four day working- week_months after week for another 12 months after obey-we— week for another 12 months after iney-we-iney- week for another 12 months after they've _they call- week for another 12 months after they've they call an they've had what they call an overwhelmingly— they've had what they call an overwhelmingly positive response. was this was response. this was a this was snea— response. this was a this was iniei oui:— response. this was a this was tried out,.the_ response. this was a this was tried out, the way. i saw tried out, by the way. i saw a siuiy— tried out, by the way. i saw a siuiy inai— tried out, by the way. i saw a study that-tried- tried out, by the way. i saw a study that tried out similar study that was tried out similar to study that was tried out similar io ibis— study that was tried out similar io ibis in— study that was tried out similar to this in australia in a corporation,— to this in australia in a. corporation,-tried corporation, and they tried a bun— corporation, and they tried a ioun-wonking— corporation, and they tried a four working week and it four day working week and it owns— four day working week and it iunns oui— four day working week and it turns out the— four day working week and it turns out the employees were iusi— turns out the employees were iusi as— turns out the employees were just as productive— turns out the employees were just as productive within four days. — just as productive within four days. -wiin— just as productive within four days. -with-four- days. but with only four days nabbe— days. but with only four days rather—their. rather than five, and their neniai— rather than five, and their mental—betteri rather than five, and their- mental_better because mental health was better because obey-ne— mental health was better because ineyie-iess— mental health was better because ineyie-iess is— mental health was better because they're-less is this- they're working less is this iusi— they're working less is this iusi a— they're working less is this iusi a no— they're working less is this just a no brainer? should we all be—ioun— be just working four days a weeks— be just working four days a week? what— be just working four days a week? what you think? be just working four days a- week? what-you think? i would week? what do you think? i would say yes.— week? what do you think? i would say yes-ins— week? what do you think? i would say yes-iii saiii— week? what do you think? i would say yes, it's still quite say yes, but it's still quite funny, isn't it, that the council have have worked 20% less said, oh, we've less and then said, oh, we've done exactly the same amount of work. just it's work. i mean, it's just it's funny. isn't point so funny. isn't the point that so many— funny. isn't the point that so many peopie— funny. isn't the point that so many peopie in— “y isn't the point that so many people in work aren't neaiiy— many people in work aren't neaiiy-aii- many people in work aren't really-all the- really working all the time? i mean-inai— really working all the time? i| mean,-that-case mean, isn't that just the case bike— mean, isn't that just the case oike nosi— mean, isn't that just the case like most people, a lot of the sine— like most people, a lot of the bins obey-ne— like most people, a lot of the time they're just— like most people, a lot of the time they're just wasting time. i'm time they're just wasting time. in —iwo- time they're just wasting time. in —iwo nay- time they're just wasting time. l i'm _two day week. i'm pushing for a two day week. yeah. yeah well, there's this pnenonena— yeah. yeah well, there's this phenomena of— yeah. yeah well, there's this phenomena of actually phenomena of people actually

iaking— phenomena of people actually. iaking—iney-we phenomena of people actually. takiaj—they-ve phenomena of people actually. takia].time-they've phenomena of people actually takia] time job they've phenomena of people actually takia] time job because ey've got a full time job because they-ve— got a full time job because they-veno— got a full time job because they've - so much - got a full time job because they've so much spare they've got so much spare time. there— they've got so much spare time. there -nationwide - they've got so much spare time. there nationwide as there is a nationwide study as wen— there is a nationwide study as wen-exactly— there is a nationwide study as well-exactly this- there is a nationwide study as well exactly this and well that did exactly this and everything— well that did exactly this and everything came— well that did exactly this and everything came out positive. and— everything came out positive. and-you— everything came out positive. and _you-mentall and yeah, as you say, mental health also it health and whatnot. but also it does save money because they've got lot vacancies got a lot of vacancies that would likely fill up would be more likely to fill up these have permanent would be more likely to fill up theseinstead have permanent would be more likely to fill up theseinstead of have permanent would be more likely to fill up theseinstead of temporary anent staff instead of temporary staff, them. staff, which would save them. they £1 million. so they said like £1 million. so there's lots of different reasons it. i think reasons to do it. i think it's a great— reasons to do it. i think it's a great-also,— reasons to do it. i think it's a great-also, people's- great idea. also, people's quality— great idea. also, people's quality of— great idea. also, people's quality of life— great idea. also, people's quality of life would be so much better— quality of life would be so much betterlthey— quality of life would be so much betterlthey have— quality of life would be so much better they have three days better if they have three days at better if they have three days. amt—e at home. they're spending more time— time with their family, which in some people's case is a good thing.— some people's case is a good thing—think- some people's case is a good thing—think .. some people's case is a good. thing—think i think thing. you know, i think i think more-that— thing. you know, i think i think morelthat i— thing. you know, i think i think more lthat i think- thing. you know, i think i think more that i think is great. more of that i think is great. why— more of that i think is great. why-anyway— more of that i think is great. why anyway we're going to why not.7 anyway we're going to. move—question move on now to another question this— this one is from alan. do we have— this one is from alan. do we have-alan? — this one is from alan. do we have-alan.7 yeah,- this one is from alan. do we have alan.7 “43?" this one is from alan. do we have alan.7 “123" ”122; have an alan.7 yeah, hi there, andrew. hi, alan. the question is, is the racist country is, is the uk a racist country now.7 so is, is the uk a racist country now? so question comes up now? so this question comes up again—therel again and again because there are—studies,- again and again because there are—studies, but. are all sorts of studies, but there-s— are all sorts of studies, but them-new- are all sorts of studies, but. there's-new-and there's been a new study and this— there's been a new study and this-by— there's been a new study and this-by the— there's been a new study and this-by the policy- there's been a new study and this by the policy institute this is by the policy institute of-couege— this is by the policy institute of-college-that'sl of king's college and that's found—one- of king's college and that's found _one ofi of king's college and that's- found _one of the found that the uk is one of the worm-s— found that the uk is one of the world's—countries. world's least racist countries. the— world's least racist countries.- the—britain the study actually found britain to-bonom. — the study actually found britain to - bottom. _the to be in the bottom. four of the 24 to be in the bottom. four of the 2._asked_ to be in the bottom. four of the 24-asked whether- to be in the bottom. four of the 24 asked whether they 24 countries. asked whether they would—tel would want to live next door to someone -different- would want to live next door to someone different or someone of a different race or next— someone of a different race or next to— someone of a different race or next to immigrants or foreign workers,.because- next to immigrants or foreign workers, because all of interesting because all of the studies— interesting because all of the studies-point— interesting because all of the studies point and studies do point again and again.—

studies do point again and- agai.._m..y, again. we've had many, many, many— again. we've had many, many,i many studies of this kind over the yeee. — many studies of this kind over the years. _always. many studies of this kind over the years. always come the years. and they always come beek— the years. and they always come beck-seme— the years. and they always come back same conclusion back with the same conclusion thee— that britain was something we all that britain was something we eu—n-e- that britain was something we eu—n-e ene- that britain was something we all—it's one of. that britain was something we all least it's one of that britain was something we all least racist it's one of that britain was something we all least racist countries of the least racist countries on earth. — the least racist countries on earth. -we-re- the least racist countries on earth. _we're also. the least racist countries on earth. we're also the earth. and yet we're also the country— earth. and yet we're also the country where — earth. and yet we're also the country where we— earth. and yet we're also the country where we self—flagellate and country where we self—flagellate ere—teeter.- country where we self—flagellate and—racist. all- and call ourselves racist. all the— and call ourselves racist. all the tree— and call ourselves racist. all the time about— and call ourselves racist. all the time about everything. i'm not eeytre— the time about everything. i'm not saying racism _ the time about everything. i'm not saying racism doesn't exist rere— not saying racism doesn't exist here because— not saying racism doesn't exist here because it— not saying racism doesn't exist here because it clearly does . here because it clearly does. teete— here because it clearly does. treat-e meetty— here because it clearly does. that's mostly in— here because it clearly does. that's mostly in the labour party. — that's mostly in the labour party. _the- that's mostly in the labour. retry—tree pert party. but you know, the point is treet— party. but you know, the point is that we— party. but you know, the point is that we surely— party. but you know, the point is that we surely we should accept— is that we surely we should accept treat— is that we surely we should accept that we're actually doing pretty— accept that we're actually doing pretty wett— accept that we're actually doing pretty wett err— accept that we're actually doing pretty well on global scale. pretty well on a global scale. wrat— pretty well on a global scale. what-think?- pretty well on a global scale. what-think? josh- pretty well on a global scale. what think? josh yeah, what do you think? josh yeah, ateetatety. — absolutely. you know, is it also that just other countries are much worse? they're talking that just other countries are much iran,3? they're talking that just other countries are much iran, russia 're talking that just other countries are much iran, russia ,e talking that just other countries are much iran, russia , japan.1g that just other countries are much iran, russia , japan. and about iran, russia, japan. and it's interesting when you move it, you know, there's the human beings. there's a lot of othering about, you know, and that's what people don't . so that's what people don't. so it's interesting where traditionally left wing people can't appreciate that there is racism within the people that they see being maligned . yes. they see being maligned. yes. and ne protected. but actually, those people themselves are very racist. yes, those people themselves are very racist . yes, but why is it, racist. yes, but why is it, theatre— racist. yes, but why is it, though, when— racist. yes, but why is it, though, when we- 2rt. yes, but why is it, though, when we hear ”ec. yes, but why is it, though, when we hear these aetrvrete— though, when we hear these activists all— though, when we hear these activists all the— though, when we hear these activists all the time saying that— activists all the time saying that tare— activists all the time saying that the re— activists all the time saying that this is a— activists all the time saying that this is a hellish country andr— that this is a hellish country area-knew,— that this is a hellish country and,-know, it— that this is a hellish country and, know, it just when the and, you know, it just when the

state— and, you know, it just when the state-tetr— and, you know, it just when the state-ten ae— and, you know, it just when the stats-tell us that- and, you know, it just when the stats-tell us that ,- and, you know, it just when the stats tell us that , they stats don't tell us that, they tert— stats don't tell us that, they tett ae— stats don't tell us that, they tell us something very different,— tell us something very- different,-racism different, that, yes, racism etu— different, that, yes, racism still—shouldl different, that, yes, racism - still—should stand different, that, yes, racism stilagainst should stand different, that, yes, racism stilagainst it should stand different, that, yes, racism stilagainst it and should stand different, that, yes, racism stilagainst it and getould stand different, that, yes, racism stilagainst it and get ridi stand different, that, yes, racism stilagainst it and get rid oftand different, that, yes, racism stilagainst it and get rid of it.d up against it and get rid of it. eat— up against it and get rid of it. but treat— up against it and get rid of it. but that actually— up against it and get rid of it. but that actually we are, you knew— but that actually we are, you knew ,— but that actually we are, you know , we're a very inclusive know, we're a very inclusive country,— know, we're a very inclusive country, allowing the perfect to be-enemy_ country, allowing the perfect to be-enemy et— country, allowing the perfect to be-enemy of the - country, allowing the perfect to be enemy of the good, isn't be the enemy of the good, isn't it? be the enemy of the good, isn't it — be the enemy of the good, isn't it? something— be the enemy of the good, isn'ti it? something-that's it? something like that. that's an phrase. thank you an interesting phrase. thank you . yeah. if your utopia is what you think the level should be, then everything else is going to fall isn't it? a fall short. isn't it? that's a very good well, maybe very good point. well, maybe it's the self—flagellation that's to be least that's got us to be the least racist country because a racist country because it's a hell pas, isn't it? hell of a faux pas, isn't it? i mean, i'm amazed that anybody answered this and said yes. i don't person another don't want a person of another race next i mean, race living next door. i mean, who that? ifind race living next door. i mean, who that? i find it who says that? i find it incredible— $17 i find it incredible because the constant aeeaearerret— incredible because the constant accusations-the _ incredible because the constant accusations the country is accusations that the country is institutionally _ accusations that the country is in:bejtionally_ accusations that the country is insbe accused— accusations that the country is insbe accused of— accusations that the country is insbe accused of racism makes to be accused of racism makes yea— to be accused of racism makes you a— to be accused of racism makes you a tartar— to be accused of racism makes you a tartar .— to be accused of racism makes you a partara . rt— to be accused of racism makes you a pariah. it means to be accused of racism makes you a pariah . it means you don't you a pariah. it means you don't get wk,— you a pariah. it means you don't get wk, watert— you a pariah. it means you don't get work, which is— you a pariah. it means you don't get work, which is rightly so. vea— get work, which is rightly so. tea—paratr- get work, which is rightly so. i you—pariahlyou're you should be a pariah if you're epeaty— you should be a pariah if you're openly-but— you should be a pariah if you're epeaty-eat-ra- openly racist. but that in treet— openly racist. but that in rteett eart— openly racist. but that in itself sort of— openly racist. but that in itself sort of puts pay to this rerea— itself sort of puts pay to this idea treat— itself sort of puts pay to this idea that we're— itself sort of puts pay to this idea that we're in this racist retreate— idea that we're in this racist rewrote-r— idea that we're in this racist hellhole.-i saw- idea that we're in this racist hellhole. i saw an hellhole. well, i saw an interesting— hellhole. well, i saw an interesting thing online this week—was- interesting thing online this. week—was talking interesting thing online this week the was talking interesting thing online this week the curve was talking interesting thing online this week the curve of was talking interesting thing online this week the curve of and talking interesting thing online this week the curve of and talkiwere about the curve of and they were tarrag— about the curve of and they were tattrae arrear— about the curve of and they were talking about progressive movements— talking about progressive movements terms of anti movements in terms of anti racism or or like— movements in terms of anti racism or or like gay rights ,

racism or or like gay rights, traw— racism or or like gay rights, raw rt— racism or or like gay rights, how it sees— racism or or like gay rights, how it sees itself as going in a straight— how it sees itself as going in a straight tree— how it sees itself as going in a straight line of— how it sees itself as going in a straight line of progression . straight line of progression. ute— straight line of progression. trte that-s— straight line of progression. like that's what— straight line of progression. like that's what you - straight line of progression. like that's what you do. - straight line of progression. like that's what you do. you constantly progress , but you constantly progress, but you reach sort of peak instead. reach this sort of peak instead. draw drew like a hill where draw drew it like a hill where you reach this peak and you get these equal rights. you get this this kind of society that we're striving towards . but because striving towards. but because progressives see the journey as never ending, which is mirroring your point, they keep on going thinking they're going in a straight line. but actually it starts then starts regressing and then that's seeing. that's what we're seeing. that's interesting that's a really interesting part—yea- that's a really interesting. part—yea get point because then you get peepte— people like who are anti erttteat— people like who are anti critical. theory a people like who are anti- critical.-theory.a good critical. race theory is a good exampte— critical. race theory is a good example because _ critical. race theory is a good example because when you tmptemeat— example because when you. rmptemeat—get example because when you- implement_get is implement that, what you get is heightened— heightened racial division. what you heightened racial division. what yea—eereetl you get is the american school eegregattag— you get is the american school| segregating—colour segregating kids by skin colour for segregating kids by skin colour ter arter— segregating kids by skin colour for after school— segregating kids by skin colour for after school activities, watert— which actually happened in tartar,— which actually happened in- london,_they're london, by the way. and they're tarrag— london, by the way. and they're tang-tree — london, by the way. and they're doing-the name- london, by the way. and they're doing-the name of- london, by the way. and they're doing the name of anti doing that in the name of anti . racism._progressing racism. so they keep progressing so racism. so they keep progressing ee-. — racism. so they keep progressing ee-. ara— racism. so they keep progressing ee-. ana the— racism. so they keep progressing so-. and the same- racism. so they keep progressing so-. and the same with. racism. so they keep progressing. so-. and the same with and so much. and the same with and same ideology , how same with gender ideology, how it homophobic. like it then becomes homophobic. like you it gets you have homophobia, it gets sorted, you have homophobia, it gets sortrget marriage, gay marriage , you get marriage, gay marriage, and then suddenly becomes and then suddenly it becomes regressive and regressive again. and now suddenly be suddenly you should be interested in people being interested in people being interested in people with different genitals is well, i

mean , we've got, you know, the mean, we've got, you know, the ceo of stonewall comparing lesbians racists lesbians to sexual racists because they don't want to sleep with people with penises. so, yeah, an old yeah, that's like an old homophobic— yeah, that's like an old homophobic trope from in homophobic trope from back in the homophobic trope from back in tree-travea-t— homophobic trope from back in the-haven't found- homophobic trope from back in the haven't found the the day. you haven't found the right— the day. you haven't found the rtgtt-yet. — the day. you haven't found the rtgtt-yet. treat— the day. you haven't found the right yet. that back right guy yet. that goes back trem— right guy yet. that goes back tram—trat-ei from the 70s. yeah. so that's what-e— from the 70s. yeah. so that's what's happening. yeah, very geot— what's happening. yeah, very goat-oray— what's happening. yeah, very good -0kavr-90t| good point. okay, we've got another—thisl another question now. this is trem— another question now. this is from—jackiel another question now. this isi tram—jackie e from jackie. where is jackie? retra— from jackie. where is jackie? hello, jackie. _ from jackie. where is jackie? hello, jackie. good evening. sheare— hello, jackie. good evening. should statues— hello, jackie. good evening. should statues-family- should statues be family friendly ? oh, yes, i saw this. friendly? oh, yes, i saw this. i erected.— friendly? oh, yes, i saw this. i was shocked. this.— friendly? oh, yes, i saw this. i was shocked. this. so- 37 oh, yes, i saw this. i was shocked. this. so this statue— was shocked. this. so this etatae ra— was shocked. this. so this statue in italy,— was shocked. this. so this statue in italy, which was a mermaid— statue in italy, which was a retreat .— statue in italy, which was a retreat . a— statue in italy, which was a mermaid . a mermaid statue. mermaid. a mermaid statue. netting— mermaid. a mermaid statue. tetttag wrang— mermaid. a mermaid statue. nothing wrong with that. we all tave— nothing wrong with that. we all love mermaids.— nothing wrong with that. we all love mermaids. do we have an image— love mermaids. do we have an image at— love mermaids. do we have an tmage at tare— love mermaids. do we have an image of this statue? if we do, rete— image of this statue? if we do, tet-e trave— image of this statue? if we do, tet-e have a— image of this statue? if we do, let's have a look— image of this statue? if we do, let's have a look .— image of this statue? if we do, let's have a look . it's. if let's have a look. it's. if there— let's have a look. it's. if there are— let's have a look. it's. if there are happy to describe it. oh,— there are happy to describe it. or, here— there are happy to describe it. or, here we— there are happy to describe it. or, here we ge— there are happy to describe it. oh, here we go . _ there are happy to describe it. oh, here we go . o" 2“ there are happy to describe it. oh, here we go . o2“ 2“ oh, here we go. oh, i mean, i was going to say, it's not necessarily appropriate, but actually it's in the public square. so is she doesn't look ute— square. so is she doesn't look me a— square. so is she doesn't look like a mermaid— square. so is she doesn't look like a mermaid from - :”r2; so is she doesn't look like a mermaid from the back, tees— like a mermaid from the back, aeee erree — like a mermaid from the back, does she? that's— like a mermaid from the back, does she? how does does she? that's not. how does erre— does she? that's not. how does she swim— does she? that's not. how does she e— does she? that's not. how does she swim ? because— does she? how does she swim ? because surely that she swim? because surely that rate— she swim? because surely that puts yea— she swim? because surely that puts you att— she swim? because surely that puts you off balance having that tree. — puts you off balance having that tree. watt.— puts you off balance having that kind. well, she— puts you off balance having that kind. well, she probably just stays top water. so stays on top of the water. so for those if you're listening on radio, this is a mermaid has

radio, this is a mermaid who has enormous breasts and a very large rear end and really , just large rear end and really, just to reiterate the point, a very human rear end. i mean, yeah, i r-m aet— human rear end. i mean, yeah, i mean, i'm not mocking- human rear end. i mean, yeah, i mean, i'm not mocking it- ”23” r2;2“r: i mean, yeah, i mean, i'm not mocking it or saying— mean, i'm not mocking it or eaytag rm— mean, i'm not mocking it or eaytag rm aet— mean, i'm not mocking it or saying i'm not fat shaming the mermaid— saying i'm not fat shaming the retreat arra— saying i'm not fat shaming the mermaid and it's— saying i'm not fat shaming the mermaid and it's not a fat mermaid— mermaid and it's not a fat mermara . — mermaid and it's not a fat mermaid . it's- mermaid and it's not a fat mermaid . c mermaid. it's just a shapely it's a shapely curvy mermaid. yeah, but put it back up. put tre— yeah, but put it back up. put tree-tact— yeah, but put it back up. put the-taet-te- yeah, but put it back up. put. the-back-no, you've the image back up. no, you've erreagrr. — the image back up. no, you've seen enough. it— the image back up. no, you've seen enough. c g“ seen enough. it might be an unattainable if there is unattainable mermaid if there is such a thing. i that is an such a thing. i think that is an unattainable— such a thing. i think that is an. unattainable—are unattainable mermaid. there are peegte— people who have had surgery to teet— people who have had surgery to teat—rear.| look like that, you know? yeah. i look like that, you know? yeah. r rast— look like that, you know? yeah. rr-wet wander— look like that, you know? yeah. i just wonder about this. what trey-re—re- i just wonder about this. what they're—is that. they're saying really is thati ewerrae—rr they're saying really is that- ewerrae—rr ta even the public statuary has to be-representation- even the public statuary has to be representation and that be about representation and that r-people_ be about representation and that ,_pggprg-..g- be about representation and thati ,_pggprg-..g , you know, people who are more curvy— , you know, people who are more ewwy teet— , you know, people who are more ewwy teet tetr— , you know, people who are more curvy feel left-if— , you know, people who are more curvy feel left if they're curvy feel left out if they're wet— curvy feel left out if they're not represented _ curvy feel left out if they're not represented through the metam— not represented through the medium mermaids. most women medium of mermaids. most women are dressed, aren't they? i mean-exactly- are dressed, aren't they? i. mean-exactly. most are dressed, aren't they? i- mean.-exactly . most women mean. right, exactly. most women don't mean. right, exactly. most women teat-grue— mean. right, exactly. most women teat-guts .— mean. right, exactly. most women don't-gills . right?— mean. right, exactly. most women don't-gills . right? so,- don't have gills. right? so, i , r— don't have gills. right? so, i mean , i would— don't have gills. right? so, i mean , i would i— don't have gills. right? so, i mean , i would i would suggest mean, i would i would suggest i , rte— mean, i would i would suggest i mean , it's lovely. _ mean, i would i would suggest i mean , it's lovely. t: 2“ c r:r2r mean, it's lovely. i couldn't do it , but neither would i it, but neither would i commission it. i think it's like you— commission it. i think it's like you say,— commission it. i think it's like you say rte— commission it. i think it's like you say, it's about— you say, it's about representation and that's, you say, it's about— representation and that's, you knew— representation and that's, you know, representing the very fit mermaids— know, representing the very fit mermaids out— know, representing the very fit mermaids out there . mermaids out there. is that to your— mermaids out there. is that to your taste— mermaids out there. is that to your taste then, josh? is that ,

your taste then, josh? is that, your taste then, josh? is that, you know, that's your kind of thing. but the tail, everything . okay,— thing. but the tail, everything . okay, ee— thing. but the tail, everything . otay, ea josh— thing. but the tail, everything . okay, so josh is— “g but the tail, everything . okay, so josh is fantasy woman is a— . okay, so josh is fantasy woman is a dismembered— . okay, so josh is fantasy woman is a dismembered mermaid. . okay, so josh is fantasy woman is a dismembered mermaid . / is a dismembered mermaid. yeah. is is a dismembered mermaid. yeah. rs that— is a dismembered mermaid. yeah. rs that what— is a dismembered mermaid. yeah. is that what you're— is a dismembered mermaid. yeah. is that what you're saying? is it beautiful anyway, as a piece of it beautiful anyway, as a piece at arte— it beautiful anyway, as a piece at arte n0,— it beautiful anyway, as a piece at arte n0, rte— it beautiful anyway, as a piece of art? no, it's not— it beautiful anyway, as a piece of art? no, it's not a beautiful prece— of art? no, it's not a beautiful greeelart. — of art? no, it's not a beautiful greeelart. n..— of art? no, it's not a beautiful piece-art. no, that- of art? no, it's not a beautiful piece-art. no, that it- of art? no, it's not a beautiful piece art. \r2r c piece of art. no, that it is. no, it's a bit gaudy. it's no, it's just a bit gaudy. it's more seaside art. i more like seaside art. well, i suppose. it's like suppose. yeah, it is. it's like gaudy, saucy postcards gaudy, fun, saucy postcards carry on style. i suppose it is . yeah. i think that's what it is. that mermaid inn. is. that famous mermaid inn. where copenhagen. is. that famous mermaid inn. where is copenhagen. is. that famous mermaid inn. where is the copenhagen. is. that famous mermaid inn. where is the much enhagen. is. that famous mermaid inn. where is the much moreien. is. that famous mermaid inn. where is the much more famous which is the much more famous statue and she statue of a mermaid. and she hasn't. not putting it hasn't. she's not putting it about , you know what i hasn't. she's not putting it about, you know what i mean? she's more. a she's a bit more. she's a bit more that one. that's more modest, that one. that's copenhagen you. there copenhagen for you. well, there we blaming. no i'm we go. victim blaming. no i'm not like my not victim blaming. i like my mermaids right that's mermaids anyway. right that's enough of that chat. after. after the break on free speech nation, we've got an exclusive interview with scott nugent , a interview with scott nugent, a transgender man has suffered transgender man who has suffered several near—death experiences since transitioning , meaning six since transitioning, meaning six years scott tells his story years ago. scott tells his story

listening to gb news radio. welcome back to free speech nation. scott nugent was a eweeeeetwt— \r scott nugent was a successful business sales eetre— successful business sales executive named kelly king, a top executive named kelly king, a tag getterrher— executive named kelly king, a top performer who earned various awarde— top performer who earned various awarae aha— top performer who earned various awards and recognition. however, at the— awards and recognition. however, at the age— awards and recognition. however, at the age at— awards and recognition. however, at the age at he,— awards and recognition. however, at the age of 42, scott made the threat— at the age of 42, scott made the difficult decision— at the age of 42, scott made the difficult decision to _ at the age of 42, scott made the difficult decision to transition . thre— difficult decision to transition . the parent— difficult decision to transition . this parent of— difficult decision to transition . this parent of three suffered numerous medical complications and hear—teath— numerous medical complications and near—death experiences aarhg— and near—death experiences during the— and near—death experiences during the process and is now wehg— during the process and is now wehg the— during the process and is now using the horrific— during the process and is now using the horrific experience to et— using the horrific experience to at the — using the horrific experience to warn of the dangers to parents whe— warn of the dangers to parents who are— warn of the dangers to parents who are considering their kids for transition— who are considering their kids for transition .— who are considering their kids for transition . so— who are considering their kids for transition . so scott joins for transition. so scott joins the— for transition. so scott joins the right— for transition. so scott joins the rtght hw— for transition. so scott joins the rtght .— for transition. so scott joins me right now . welcome. thanks me right now. welcome. thanks for me right now. welcome. thanks tar earning.— me right now. welcome. thanks for coming. thank— me right now. welcome. thanks for coming. thank you for having so.— for coming. thank you for having so. scatt— for coming. thank you for having so. seatt .— for coming. thank you for having me. so, scott , for— for coming. thank you for having me. t me. so, scott, for people who don't know your background, don't know your background, don't know your story, could you just tell briefly what just tell us briefly what happened ? god, everybody says happened? god, everybody says it's happened? god, everybody says he the— happened? god, everybody says he the a— happened? god, everybody says it's like a whole— happened? god, everybody says it's like a whole it's— 37 god, everybody says it's like a whole it's like a dash— it's like a whole it's like a day, _converse - it's like a whole it's like a day,-converse it. it's like a whole it's like a- day,-converse it down. day, but i'll converse it down. at az— day, but i'll converse it down. at eh r— day, but i'll converse it down. at eh r wae— day, but i'll converse it down. at 42, i was in— day, but i'll converse it down. at 42, i was in a— day, but i'll converse it down. at 42, i was in a vulnerable grace.— at 42, i was in a vulnerable htaeelwae— at 42, i was in a vulnerable place. was marriage with place. i was in a marriage with a woman who hated being a teehrah— a woman who hated being a lesbian, didn't— a woman who hated being a lesbian, didn't think she was. it lesbian, didn't think she was. g-me,_ lesbian, didn't think she was. .r-me, hate- lesbian, didn't think she was. it-me, male born- lesbian, didn't think she was. it me, male born in a it was all me, male born in a terhate-e— it was all me, male born in a female's body,— it was all me, male born in a female's body, kind of in a vulnerable— female's body, kind of in a vulnerable watching vulnerable place. watching jazz rehhhge— vulnerable place. watching jazz rehhhge .— vulnerable place. watching jazz rehhrhge , att— vulnerable place. watching jazz jennings , all kind

jennings, all that kind of etwtt. — jennings, all that kind of etwtt. .yew- jennings, all that kind of stuff. you know, jennings, all that kind of stuff. -you know, of stuff. and, you know, kind of heated—at- stuff. and, you know, kind of looked _ at the - stuff. and, you know, kind ofi looked—at the time looked at my wife at the time aha—th- looked at my wife at the timei aha—rm herh looked at my wife at the time. and—i'm born in and said, hey, maybe i'm born in the—week- and said, hey, maybe i'm born in the—week later,- the wrong body. a week later, i wae-treht— the wrong body. a week later, i was-front-trans- was in in front of a trans therahret— was in in front of a trans therapist activist trans therapist, an activist trans therapiet— therapist, an activist trans therapist,-at- therapist, an activist trans therapist, at and she therapist, i guess at and she earth— therapist, i guess at and she eara haw— therapist, i guess at and she said, how long— therapist, i guess at and she said, how long have you been areeehg— said, how long have you been areeehg-rhah- said, how long have you been dressing man now? dressing like a man now? i aah-t— dressing like a man now? i treat-the— dressing like a man now? i didn't-like a- dressing like a man now? i- didn't-like a-mean, didn't dress like a man. i mean, i didn't dress like a man. i mean, rwae— didn't dress like a man. i mean, rwaelhweheee— didn't dress like a man. i mean, i was business executive i was a business sales executive . but that that sentence aheetatety— . but that that sentence absolutely shattered me from a 42 absolutely shattered me from a we year— absolutely shattered me from a we year are— absolutely shattered me from a 42 year old successful business eatee— 42 year old successful business sales executive _ 42 year old successful business sales executive to, _ 42 year old successful business sales executive to, you know, ewtthg— sales executive to, you know, ewtthg-hah-e— sales executive to, you know, cutting man's head off in cutting any man's head off in a hearareerh— cutting any man's head off in a hearareerh te— cutting any man's head off in a boardroom to ,_ cutting any man's head off in a boardroom to , oh,— cutting any man's head off in a boardroom to , oh, my god, i'm a boardroom to, oh, my god, i'm a ratat— boardroom to, oh, my god, i'm a tetat that.— boardroom to, oh, my god, i'm a total idiot. so— boardroom to, oh, my god, i'm a total idiot. so was— boardroom to, oh, my god, i'm a total idiot. so was it— boardroom to, oh, my god, i'm a total idiot. so was it the case that— total idiot. so was it the case that r— total idiot. so was it the case that r heare— total idiot. so was it the case that i mean, a— total idiot. so was it the case that i mean, a lot— total idiot. so was it the case that i mean, a lot of people have— that i mean, a lot of people have testified— that i mean, a lot of people have testified said that have testified and said that when— have testified and said that when-te— have testified and said thati when _to _trans when they go to these trans therahrete— when they go to these trans therapists-are - when they go to these trans therapists are just therapists that they are just athrrhhg— therapists that they are just affirming and— therapists that they are just affirming and yes, you affirming and saying, yes, you are affirming and saying, yes, you h— affirming and saying, yes, you h the— affirming and saying, yes, you are in the wrong— affirming and saying, yes, you are in the wrong body or eehethhg— are in the wrong body or something like that. is that was that— something like that. is that was that experience? it that your experience? was it just absolutely. it just affirmation? absolutely. it was affirmation. was absolutely affirmation. affirmation. and that's why it teete— affirmation. and that's why it hate-are- affirmation. and that's why it looks-are so- affirmation. and that's why it. looks-are so popular. affirmation. and that's why it lookstella are so popular. affirmation. and that's why it lookstella o'malley so popular. affirmation. and that's why it lookstella o'malley and opular. and stella o'malley and jen sheet—aha- and stella o'malley and jen speck—and all. and stella o'malley and jen. speck—and all those speck and sasha and all those hearte— speck and sasha and all those people, because— speck and sasha and all those people, because they are hghthg— people, because they are fighting back— people, because they are fighting back against the reahty— fighting back against the reality actually helping reality of actually helping hearte— reality of actually helping geehte wee.— reality of actually helping people. yes. that that are in warherahte— people. yes. that that are in vulnerable places. and here's the thing.— vulnerable places. and here's the thing. there— vulnerable places. and here's the thing. there are some people that— the thing. there are some people that heareatty— the thing. there are some people that medically transition and do watt— that medically transition and do wattlhttte— that medically transition and do walkllittle.later- that medically transition and do walkllittle.later in- that medically transition and do walk little later in life, walk a little bit later in life, hat— walk a little bit later in life, hat het— walk a little bit later in life, hat not very— walk a little bit later in life, but not very many , number one. but not very many, number one. wwhher— but not very many, number one. wwhher-rt-e— but not very many, number one. number-it's no—

but not very many, number one. number it's no different number two, it's no different than— number two, it's no different thahlhaa— number two, it's no different thanihad twins— number two, it's no different than had twins and didn't like than i had twins and didn't like my than i had twins and didn't like thy—hae- than i had twins and didn't like thy—hat a- than i had twins and didn't like thy—hat a twrhrhyi than i had twins and didn't like- my_had a tummy tuck my stomach and had a tummy tuck and h— my stomach and had a tummy tuck and h r— my stomach and had a tummy tuck and h r weara— my stomach and had a tummy tuck and if i would have— my stomach and had a tummy tuck and if i would have thought that that— and if i would have thought that that-garag— and if i would have thought that that-gang te— and if i would have thought that that-going to save- and if i would have thought that that going to save my life that was going to save my life at—wae- that was going to save my life at—wae eenei that was going to save my lifei at_was done, it at the end when it was done, it weara— at the end when it was done, it warm have— at the end when it was done, it would have been— at the end when it was done, it would have been devastating. it's would have been devastating. rt-e-ewrgery- would have been devastating.l rt-e-ewrgery-yaa it's cosmetic surgery. did you feet.— it's cosmetic surgery. did you feel, undertaking feel, though, that undertaking this would any this surgery would resolve any problems in your life? absolutely you know, here's the thing — absolutely you know, here's the thing aha— absolutely you know, here's the thhg. what we— absolutely you know, here's the thing. and we don't— ' cr2;c«r you know, here's the thing. and we don't talk about etath— thing. and we don't talk about aah-r— thing. and we don't talk about stuff,-i don't— thing. and we don't talk abouti stuff,-i don't—we stuff, and i don't know why. we aah-t— stuff, and i don't know why. we aah-t tatt— stuff, and i don't know why. we don't talk about— stuff, and i don't know why. we don't talk about stuff because were—entre- we're butchering an entire generation— we're butchering an entire geheratrer— we're butchering an entire generatis going , yeah, yeah. society is going, yeah, yeah. they— society is going, yeah, yeah. they have— society is going, yeah, yeah. they have-clue- society is going, yeah, yeah. they have-clue .- society is going, yeah, yeah. they have clue . so, yes, they have no clue. so, yes, i thought— they have no clue. so, yes, i thought rt— they have no clue. so, yes, i thought it was— they have no clue. so, yes, i thought it was going to fix me. aha— thought it was going to fix me. what heree— thought it was going to fix me. and here's the _ thought it was going to fix me. and here's the problem and heree— and here's the problem and heree-the- and here's the problem and here's the people and here's the problem and here medically the people and here's the problem and here medically transition ple and here's the problem and here medically transition have that medically transition have you— that medically transition have you thew,— that medically transition have you know, similarities. same sex attracted.— you know, similarities. same sex attraetea. se— you know, similarities. same sex attracted. so we're— you know, similarities. same sex attracted. so we're you know conversion therapy reversed . conversion therapy reversed. wwhher— conversion therapy reversed. warhhertwe,— conversion therapy reversed. number two, they're autistic . number two, they're autistic. warhher— number two, they're autistic. number three, _ number two, they're autistic. number three, they're mentally ghtea— number three, they're mentally ghtea .— number three, they're mentally gtttea . aha— number three, they're mentally gifted . and number four, they're gifted. and number four, they're rhehtatty— gifted. and number four, they're rhehtatty ht— gifted. and number four, they're rhehtatty ht .— gifted. and number four, they're mentally ill . they— gifted. and number four, they're mentally ill . they are people mentally ill. they are people that— mentally ill. they are people that have— mentally ill. they are people that have been— mentally ill. they are people that have been through trauma. so that have been through trauma. so at— that have been through trauma. so at theee— that have been through trauma. so all these people that don't fit so all these people that don't ht h— so all these people that don't ht h at— so all these people that don't ht h at a— so all these people that don't fit in at a time,— so all these people that don't fit in at a time, at— so all these people that don't fit in at a time, at 11 or 12 yeare— fit in at a time, at 11 or 12 yeare eta— fit in at a time, at 11 or 12 years old when- fit in at a time, at 11 or 12 years old when we would cut off our years old when we would cut off to th— years old when we would cut off our arm to fit in,— years old when we would cut off our arm to fit in, i— years old when we would cut off our arm to fit in, i mean, it got— our arm to fit in, i mean, it get the— our arm to fit in, i mean, it get the at— our arm to fit in, i mean, it get the at az— our arm to fit in, i mean, it got me at 42. we're telling theee— got me at 42. we're telling theee hae— got me at 42. we're telling these kids that,— got me at 42. we're telling these kids that, know what, these kids that, you know what, you—a— these kids that, you know what, you—a superpower. these kids that, you know what, you a superpower of you don't have a superpower of being— being different about being ghee.— being different about being

ghee—yeah- gifted. you know, you'll be a cre— gifted. you know, you'll be a cte at— gifted. you know, you'll be a cte atihwt— gifted. you know, you'll be a ceo at-but you- gifted. you know, you'll be a ceo at but you know, you're ceo at 25, but you know, you're ahtereht. — ceo at 25, but you know, you're ahtereht. se— ceo at 25, but you know, you're different. so let's— ceo at 25, but you know, you're different. so let's medically trahertreh— different. so let's medically- transition—get transition you and then you get to transition you and then you get te-ereeeee— transition you and then you get te-ereeeee aha— transition you and then you get to-process and you- transition you and then you get to process and you get to the process and you get threwgh— to the process and you get threwgh-yew- to the process and you get through you realise, well through it and you realise, well that— through it and you realise, well that treat— through it and you realise, well that didn't fix— through it and you realise, well that didn't fix the— through it and you realise, well that didn't fix the thing. on top— that didn't fix the thing. on tee—h- that didn't fix the thing. 0n| tee—h eeerety top of people like in society aha— top of people like in society aha-att— top of people like in society and-all-kindl and you and all that kind of etwtt— and you and all that kind of etwtt-het— and you and all that kind of stuff-not-the- and you and all that kind of stuff not the truth stuff are not saying the truth heeawee— stuff are not saying the truth. heeaweewah—t because everybody doesn't want to—feeungs- because everybody doesn't want to _feelings that i to hurt a man's feelings that has— to hurt a man's feelings that has-fetish- to hurt a man's feelings that has-fetish of- to hurt a man's feelings that has fetish of being has a sexual fetish of being considered— has a sexual fetish of being considered a— has a sexual fetish of being considered a woman and wants, you— considered a woman and wants, you know,— considered a woman and wants, you know, gender— considered a woman and wants, you know, gender pronouns. but people— you know, gender pronouns. but some people would— you know, gender pronouns. but some people would see- you know, gender pronouns. but some people would see you and see a and say, well, that's see a man and say, well, that's a but you saying it's a man, but are you saying it's not possible change sex.7 no, not possible to change sex? no, god, no . biologically god, no. it's biologically impossible— god, no. it's biologically impossible for- god, no. it's biologically impossible for one sex to become another. — impossible for one sex to become another. what's— impossible for one sex to become another. what's not— impossible for one sex to become another. what's not impossible is cross—sex hormones, is to take cross—sex hormones, to do— is to take cross—sex hormones, to do cosmetic— is to take cross—sex hormones, to do cosmetic surgery, to appear— to do cosmetic surgery, to appear like— to do cosmetic surgery, to appear like opposite sex for appear like the opposite sex for comfort.— appear like the opposite sex for comfort. vou— appear like the opposite sex for comfort. you know— appear like the opposite sex for comfort. you know what? we deserve — comfort. you know what? we deserve eu— comfort. you know what? we deserve all the— comfort. you know what? we deserve all the respect and ergrrry— deserve all the respect and dignity—but. deserve all the respect and. dignity—but what dignity for doing so. but what we—re— dignity for doing so. but what we—re ee- dignity for doing so. but what we—re do re- dignity for doing so. but whati we_to do is-on we don't need to do is step on errrererr-e— we don't need to do is step on children's—ensure. we don't need to do is step on. children's—ensure that children's heads and ensure that mares— children's heads and ensure that mates with— children's heads and ensure that males with these— children's heads and ensure that males with these fetishes keep merr— males with these fetishes keep their erections— males with these fetishes keep their erections is— males with these fetishes keep their erections is so that trey-re— their erections is so that rrrey-re okay— their erections is so that they're okay in life. " they're okay in life. this is a really— they're okay in life. this is a really important point in a liberal society, surely everyone should be able to do whatever they want with their own body and about and make decisions about themselves and make decisions about themsel\arnie but you've spent identity. arnie but you've spent a talking a lot of time talking about children, is

children, and that is a different situation, isn't it? because children can't consent to this kind of thing, can they? they cannot consent to these threes.— they cannot consent to these errrrge. arre— they cannot consent to these things. and until— they cannot consent to these things. and until the truth is rere— things. and until the truth is tore aberr— things. and until the truth is told about medical transition , told about medical transition, urem— told about medical transition, until—there's- told about medical transition, until—there's not until it's told that there's not r2— until it's told that there's not now 12 complications of medical erererrrer, — now 12 complications of medical transition, they— now 12 complications of medical transition, they just increased it transition, they just increased re re — transition, they just increased re re 25— transition, they just increased it to 25 because— transition, they just increased it to 25 because they just eeeueur— it to 25 because they just actually turned over another emer- — actually turned over another emer- au— actually turned over another study. all seven— actually turned over another study. all seven studies that erre— study. all seven studies that see re— study. all seven studies that eere re wee— study. all seven studies that said it was beneficial have been reereeeee— said it was beneficial have been retracted-modified- said it was beneficial have been retracted modified with oops retracted or modified with oops r-help_ retracted or modified with oops ,-r..rp errerrrrre- retracted or modified with oops , help anything sorry or , doesn't help anything sorry or not , doesn't help anything sorry or nee energe— , doesn't help anything sorry or not enough time.— , doesn't help anything sorry or not enough time. the latest one were— not enough time. the latest one were from — not enough time. the latest one were from r2— not enough time. the latest one went from 12 complications to 26 eemprreeerewe.— went from 12 complications to 26 complications. and— went from 12 complications to 26 complications. and inside that eewew— complications. and inside that eewew errere— complications. and inside that study there were _ complications. and inside that study there were two kids that eerrrrreeee— study there were two kids that committed suicide that were eerwg— committed suicide that were being medically transitioned, erre— being medically transitioned, that. suppressed - being medically transitioned, that suppressed you being medically transitioned, that-suppressediyou to that was suppressed. you need to know— that was suppressed. you need to knew-serv— that was suppressed. you need to knew-eerw . — that was suppressed. you need to knew-eerw . are- that was suppressed. you need to know-sorry . are you. know that. so sorry. are you saying— know that. so sorry. are you saying that the studies are saying that the studies that are available transitioning saying that the studies that are av children transitioning saying that the studies that are av children and transitioning saying that the studies that are av children and there 1sitioning saying that the studies that are av children and there can't1ing saying that the studies that are av children and there can't be] of children and there can't be many because hasn't many because it hasn't been going for on that long, that they're all back and they're all coming back and saying, that is helping evidence that this is helping matter? yes well, you can't be much clear. yes and that's not transphobic for that. but we have queer theory- rt but we have queer theory right here. regre— have queer theory right here. rergrre eew— have queer theory right here. rergrre eew ree— have queer theory right here. right gay, not queer. thank you very— right gay, not queer. thank you very weer.— right gay, not queer. thank you very mwerr. rw— right gay, not queer. thank you very mwerr. rw erre— right gay, not queer. thank you very much. by the way, we need more righteous— very much. by the way, we need more righteous gays and lesbians

to more righteous gays and lesbians ee corre— more righteous gays and lesbians ee up.— more righteous gays and lesbians to come up. actually take to come up. and actually take err—rweeeeel to come up. and actually takei our—instead of our community back instead of the our community back instead of we rrgreeewe— our community back instead of the righteous rights that we roughe— the righteous rights that we rewgre eer— the righteous rights that we fought for 50— the righteous rights that we fought for 50 years. we got seerewerr, — fought for 50 years. we got stonewall, got— fought for 50 years. we got stonewall, got in 2003, same sex reoperere— stonewall, got in 2003, same sex reoperewe rw— stonewall, got in 2003, same sex adoptions in 2013,— stonewall, got in 2003, same sex adoptions in 2013, same sex merrrege— adoptions in 2013, same sex merrreee .— adoptions in 2013, same sex marriage . after— adoptions in 2013, same sex marriage . after that, there were marriage. after that, there were no marriage. after that, there were we rrereeewe— marriage. after that, there were no righteous fights to fight eer— no righteous fights to fight for. we— no righteous fights to fight for. we were— no righteous fights to fight for. we won everything . and for. we won everything. and eeeerre— for. we won everything. and eeeerre gaye— for. we won everything. and decent gays and— for. we won everything. and decent gays and lesbians like us. decent gays and lesbians like rw— decent gays and lesbians like ew erre— decent gays and lesbians like rw we we,— decent gays and lesbians like us. by the way, we went home to reree— us. by the way, we went home to erre— us. by the way, we went home to raise our kids to— us. by the way, we went home to raise our kids to do— us. by the way, we went home to raise our kids to do things that we needed— raise our kids to do things that we needed ee— raise our kids to do things that we needed to do.— raise our kids to do things that we needed to do. and lo and eerrere— we needed to do. and lo and eerrere .— we needed to do. and lo and behold , stonewall has more behold, stonewall has no more one— behold, stonewall has no more rnonewlrnore— behold, stonewall has no more money, more donations. so money, no more donations. so enew— money, no more donations. so enew oreoee— money, no more donations. so enew oreoee o— money, no more donations. so they create a new— money, no more donations. so they create a new business model enoe-e— they create a new business model were eeepprng— they create a new business model were eeepprng on— they create a new business model that's stepping on our children's— that's stepping on our children's our children's heads and on our onrreren-e— children's heads and on our children's health. listen, let me— children's health. listen, let me-something- children's health. listen, let me-something .- children's health. listen, let me something . today children's health. listen, let- me-something . today i me tell you something. today i woe-enrowgn— me tell you something. today i was through london. was walking through london. i nor— was walking through london. i nor o— was walking through london. i nor o eoeorw— was walking through london. i had a totally different outfit on. had a totally different outfit r— had a totally different outfit r nowe— had a totally different outfit on. i have an— had a totally different outfit on. i have an infection. i'm eeowrng— on. i have an infection. i'm eeowrng-o— on. i have an infection. i'm staying a physician who staying with a physician who sore,— staying with a physician who sore, vow— staying with a physician who said, you don't— staying with a physician who said, you don't look well. i nowe— said, you don't look well. i nowe on— said, you don't look well. i have an infection. i'm walking around— have an infection. i'm walking around london— have an infection. i'm walking around london drinking a lot of woeer— around london drinking a lot of water because— around london drinking a lot of water because she— around london drinking a lot of water because she told me to. cowren-e— water because she told me to. couldn't find— water because she told me to. couldn't find a— water because she told me to. couldn't find a bathroom. pete on nweere— couldn't find a bathroom. pete on myself while— couldn't find a bathroom. pete on myself while i'm going to a new— on myself while i'm going to a new eo— on myself while i'm going to a new eo speak— on myself while i'm going to a rally to speak about saving onrreren— rally to speak about saving children in— rally to speak about saving children in the— rally to speak about saving children in the middle of london.— children in the middle of london. i've— children in the middle of london. i've got urine all the way— london. i've got urine all the wow eown— london. i've got urine all the wow eown one— london. i've got urine all the way down and all— london. i've got urine all the way down and all i see is vereooe— way down and all i see is versace and— way down and all i see is versace and this i'm not i'm not a versace and this i'm not i'm not

o nwge— versace and this i'm not i'm not o nwge erre— versace and this i'm not i'm not onwge rrwe, prep.— versace and this i'm not i'm not a huge like, prep. i've got orrreoeor— a huge like, prep. i've got orrrgoeor .— a huge like, prep. i've got alligator . alligator. you know, alligator. alligator. you know, why— alligator. alligator. you know, wnw oren-e— alligator. alligator. you know, wnw ren-e we— alligator. alligator. you know, why aren't we talking about enoee— why aren't we talking about enoee so— why aren't we talking about enoee so eo— why aren't we talking about that? so do you— why aren't we talking about that? so do you think it's ernprw— that? so do you think it's ernorw ene— that? so do you think it's simply the case that people eon-e— simply the case that people eon-e wane— simply the case that people don't want to _ simply the case that people don't want to talk about it, or is don't want to talk about it, or re re— don't want to talk about it, or re re ernorw— don't want to talk about it, or is it simply that— don't want to talk about it, or is it simply that it makes them uncomfortable?— is it simply that it makes them uncomfortable? devastating to eow— uncomfortable? devastating to talk—they. uncomfortable? devastating to. talk _they think talk about? well, do they think they're doing something good when comes these children when it comes to these children that that they're when it comes to these children that they're that they're when it comes to these children that they're they're t they're when it comes to these children that they're they're confused feeling they're they're confused , they feel this , used, and so they feel this might it? of parents might fix it? a lot of parents are you don't put put are told if you don't put put them on puberty blockers, they'll kill themselves. you know, that. and here's know, a lot of that. and here's what-understand- what i don't understand about wow—.- what i don't understand about wowr—. sol your country. i'm sorry. so we're talking— your country. i'm sorry. so we're talking about freedom of eneeon—rergne.- speech right here. right. okay. ane— speech right here. right. okay. and-something- speech right here. right. okay. and something that and if i say something that onenes— and if i say something that offends somebody or if i'm uk offends somebody or if i'm a uk orerzen— offends somebody or if i'm a uk orerzen enoe— offends somebody or if i'm a uk citizen, that-wrong— offends somebody or if i'm a uk citizen, that wrong or citizen, that is wrong or onenes— citizen, that is wrong or offends their- citizen, that is wrong or offends their business, then you eene— offends their business, then you ewe-eo— offends their business, then you eowe-eo rorr. — offends their business, then you take _to jail. so _ offends their business, then you take to jail. so why aren't take them to jail. so why aren't we eowrne— take them to jail. so why aren't we taking mermaids we taking susie mermaids from nernoree— we taking susie mermaids from nernoree eo— we taking susie mermaids from mermaids to jail— we taking susie mermaids from mermaids to jail for saying eeeeer— mermaids to jail for saying eeeeer o— mermaids to jail for saying better a live— mermaids to jail for saying better a live daughter than a reee— better a live daughter than a were on— better a live daughter than a dead son? there's only one long eern — dead son? there's only one long eern _we— dead son? there's only one long term _all seven - dead son? there's only one long term _all seven that- dead son? there's only one long term all seven that said term study. all seven that said it term study. all seven that said re woe— term study. all seven that said re greoe— term study. all seven that said it was great have— term study. all seven that said it was great have been rejected. one—sowe- it was great have been rejected. one—sows enoel one long term study says that eneee— one long term study says that eneee erre— one long term study says that these kids the _ one long term study says that these kids the truth the only 30 weer— these kids the truth the only 30 weer eewew— these kids the truth the only 30 weer eewew wren— these kids the truth the only 30 year study with over 300 trans rene- — year study with over 300 trans repe- rneee— year study with over 300 trans reps. these children will be more suicidal— reps. these children will be more suicidal after they neeroorrw—

more suicidal after they medically transition. take her to medically transition. take her eo rorr. — medically transition. take her eo rorr. were— medically transition. take her to jail. what you're- medically transition. take her to jail. g to jail. what you're talking about here is actually having a discussion about the data, about the studies, the discussion doesn't seem to be happening because there's too much noise, sometimes violence. we've seen that well. people that going on as well. people attacking protesters feminist attacking protesters or feminist protesters or whatever. you mentioned the gay rights issue, and i that's absolutely and i think that's absolutely key barnes book time key. in hannah barnes book time to think. she talks about how the overwhelming majority of children who referred to children who are referred to paediatric care are same paediatric gender care are same sex attracted . so effectively sex attracted. so effectively what you're what you've got here is 3, 67% on genders. but anyways, you know- 3 rr r2r" 3: but anyways, you know what facts. wow— anyways, you know what facts. now go — anyways, you know what facts. woo, go oneoe. — anyways, you know what facts. max, go ahead. but even so, that's a significant proportion . and that would suggest, doesn't it, that there's a kind of on where of thing going on here where kids are gender kids who are gender non—conforming probably to non—conforming probably going to grow almost grow up to be gay are almost being heterosexual being fixed or heterosexual ized in process . is in a way by this process. is that problem? is that that a problem? is that something talking that a problem? is that somet more? talking that a problem? is that somet more? absolutely. talking that a problem? is that sometmore? absolutely. buting about more? absolutely. but nere— here's the thing. we've got one— here's the thing. we've got eoeor—rerwel here's the thing. we've goti total—jerks on here's the thing. we've got- total_jerks on one total and complete jerks on one eree. — total and complete jerks on one eree. we-we— total and complete jerks on one eree. we-we goe— total and complete jerks on one side. we've got total and eonoreee— side. we've got total and complete-on- side. we've got total and complete on the other. complete jerks on the other. i neon-ere— complete jerks on the other. i neon-ere o— complete jerks on the other. i mean,-did a rally- complete jerks on the other. i mean, did a rally with mean, i just did a rally with nonowr— mean, i just did a rally with nonowr ow— mean, i just did a rally with honour oak and— mean, i just did a rally with honour oak and another organisation. _ honour oak and another organisation. i- honour oak and another organisation. i said i stood in

ene— organisation. i said i stood in we nwwe— organisation. i said i stood in the middle. i— organisation. i said i stood in the middle. i started crying and enrew— the middle. i started crying and enrew nw— the middle. i started crying and enrew nw nro— the middle. i started crying and threw my mic down. i said, f you aur— threw my mic down. i said, f you .rr, wow— threw my mic down. i said, f you err, wow gwwe— threw my mic down. i said, f you err, wow gwwe e— threw my mic down. i said, f you all, you guys are all— threw my mic down. i said, f you all, you guys are all messed up. were— all, you guys are all messed up. we're butchering— all, you guys are all messed up. we're butchering an entire generoeron— we're butchering an entire. generation—you're generation of children. you're over-werrrng— generation of children. you're over yelling these over here yelling at these people-_ over here yelling at these people--0ver- over here yelling at these people. over here, people. you're over here, yelling— people. you're over here, yelling-these- people. you're over here, yelling these people and yelling at these people and the races— yelling at these people and the races-re— yelling at these people and the facts-is these— yelling at these people and the facts-is these kids- yelling at these people and the facts is these kids are facts are, is these kids are eeonrng— facts are, is these kids are starting themselves. starting to kill themselves. but noeoew—nw- starting to kill themselves. buti noeoew—nw epeeen nobody will listen to my speech eeoowee— nobody will listen to my speech because _yelling - nobody will listen to my speech because yelling and because you're yelling and wow-re—onl you're yelling, shame on ewerweoew— you're yelling, shame on everybody-the- you're yelling, shame on everybody-the way to everybody. so the better way to do to sit and have a do it is to sit and have a conversation and to let people know facts are. yeah conversation and to let people knov be facts are. yeah conversation and to let people knov be realistic. acts are. yeah conversation and to let people knovbe realistic. whyire. yeah conversation and to let people knovbe realistic. why can'teah conversation and to let people knov be realistic. why can't we and be realistic. why can't we say— and be realistic. why can't we now enon— and be realistic. why can't we say that, - know- and be realistic. why can't we say that, know what? say that, hey, you know what? erown — say that, hey, you know what? grown _oestrogen - say that, hey, you know what? grown oestrogen that are grown men on oestrogen that are eeoerne—enew-re- beating up lesbians, they're nrgne— beating up lesbians, they're nrene ee— beating up lesbians, they're nrgne be e— beating up lesbians, they're might be a problem there that we need— might be a problem there that we neen-eeone— might be a problem there that we need-about-of- need to talk about instead of enrnwrng,— need to talk about instead ofi thinking,_don't thinking, oh my god, we don't wane— thinking, oh my god, we don't wone eo— thinking, oh my god, we don't want to offend _ thinking, oh my god, we don't want to offend this man and tell nrn—o— want to offend this man and tell nrn-o on— want to offend this man and tell him-a man and- want to offend this man and tell him a man and actually him that he's a man and actually corr— him that he's a man and actually oou-o— him that he's a man and actually oou-o rnon— him that he's a man and actually oou-o so— him that he's a man and actually call a man. so where what in call him a man. so where what in the call him a man. so where what in we neu— call him a man. so where what in we nerr ore— call him a man. so where what in the hell are we— call him a man. so where what in the hell are we doing while i'm wrrnoerno— the hell are we doing while i'm wrrnoerno rn— the hell are we doing while i'm urinating in the— the hell are we doing while i'm urinating in the middle of london?— urinating in the middle of london? because of a bottom ewroerw— london? because of a bottom ewroerw enoe-e— london? because of a bottom surgery that's completely and eoeorrw— surgery that's completely and totally experimental? get totally experimental? i get rneeoerone— totally experimental? i get infections every six weeks. i proeoerw— infections every six weeks. i probably won't— infections every six weeks. i probably won't live past ten weore— probably won't live past ten weore. r— probably won't live past ten weore r won-e— probably won't live past ten years. i won't see my grandkids . ano— years. i won't see my grandkids . ano wow— years. i won't see my grandkids . one wow know— years. i won't see my grandkids . and you know what? we want to none— . and you know what? we want to none-none— . and you know what? we want to none-erone-wowl make sure that trans men, you know,— make sure that trans men, you know, believe— make sure that trans men, you know, believe that they're women. .then - know, believe that they're women. then we know, believe that they're - women.-then we-righteous women. and then we got righteous gay women. and then we got righteous oow-rrwe— women. and then we got righteous gay-like enre— women. and then we got righteous gay-like this finally- gay people like this finally

eeorerno— gay people like this finallyj starting—thank gay people like this finally- starting_thank god. starting to come up. thank god. rrno— starting to come up. thank god. rrno-woroee— starting to come up. thank god. find -voices.these- find your voices for these onrroren.— find your voices for these children-you're- find your voices for these children. you're talking children. so you're talking oeowe— children. so you're talking oeowe ene— children. so you're talking about the potential complications . about the potential complications. /r:::r. complications. you've experienced all sorts of complications a result. i've complications as a result. i've had pulmonary i'm complications as a result. i've- hadlpulmonary_|'m on complications as a result. i've- hadlthinners.ry_|'m on complications as a result. i've- hadlthinners. i _i'm on complications as a result. i've- hadlthinners. i have-i'm on blood thinners. i have congestive— blood thinners. i have congestive heart failure. i have runo— congestive heart failure. i have rwno eonooe— congestive heart failure. i have rwno eonooe .— congestive heart failure. i have rwno eonooe . r— congestive heart failure. i have lung damage . i have a, you know, lung damage. i have a, you know, an lung damage. i have a, you know, on . wnere— lung damage. i have a, you know, an arm . where do— lung damage. i have a, you know, an arm . where do you want to go an arm. where do you want to go wren— an arm. where do you want to go wren eneee— an arm. where do you want to go with these kids?— an arm. where do you want to go with these kids? these kids are oeeerno— with these kids? these kids are oeeerno eorrw— with these kids? these kids are getting early onset osteoporosis. they're getting new— osteoporosis. they're getting enew oon-e— osteoporosis. they're getting they can't have— osteoporosis. they're getting they can't have kids . i have they can't have kids. i have a wroeo— they can't have kids. i have a wroeo on— they can't have kids. i have a wroeo on nw— they can't have kids. i have a video on my phone right now, some— video on my phone right now, some n.— video on my phone right now, some n rnre— video on my phone right now, some 11. this kid— video on my phone right now, some 11. this kid started 11 weore— some11. this kid started 11 weore 0rd,— some 11. this kid started 11 years old, taking puberty eroowere. — years old, taking puberty blockers. he's- years old, taking puberty blockers. he's 19, asking me if blockers. he's19, asking me if nee— blockers. he's19, asking me if we o— blockers. he's19, asking me if we o nweone— blockers. he's19, asking me if he's a mutant .— blockers. he's19, asking me if he's a mutant. he— blockers. he's19, asking me if he's a mutant. he knows blockers. he's19, asking me if he's a mutant . he knows that he he's a mutant. he knows that he he's a mutant. he knows that he ne rwrneo— he's a mutant. he knows that he ne rwrneo nre— he's a mutant. he knows that he he ruined his body.— he's a mutant. he knows that he he ruined his body. but who is nee— he ruined his body. but who is nee re— he ruined his body. but who is nee re nee— he ruined his body. but who is nee re ne-e o— he ruined his body. but who is he? is he's a man.— he ruined his body. but who is he? is he's a man. but i was a nne— he? is he's a man. but i was a one r— he? is he's a man. but i was a woman. but i destroyed my body. ano— woman. but i destroyed my body. and enen— woman. but i destroyed my body. and enen nere— woman. but i destroyed my body. and then here all— woman. but i destroyed my body. and then here all we're doing is we won— and then here all we're doing is we wone eo— and then here all we're doing is we want to make— and then here all we're doing is we want to make sure that gb vrewe— we want to make sure that gb vrewe — we want to make sure that gb views women. and yet you started noon— views women. and yet you started noon-ano— views women. and yet you started much _and-kids- views women. and yet you started| much _and - kids are. much later. and these kids are. these much later. and these kids are. rneee erre— much later. and these kids are. these kids don't— much later. and these kids are. these kids don't have— much later. and these kids are. these kids don't have a- much later. ' r: at: these kids don't have a chance . these kids don't have a chance. vow— these kids don't have a chance. you know,— these kids don't have a chance. you know,.missouri,- these kids don't have a chance. you know, missouri, the you know, in missouri, the eoeroorrw— you know, in missouri, the basically the— you know, in missouri, the basically the doctor in missouri enoe-e— basically the doctor in missouri enoe-e oer— basically the doctor in missouri that's over missouri basically oreoeeo— that's over missouri basically oreoeeo o— that's over missouri basically created a rule.— that's over missouri basically created a rule. i— that's over missouri basically created a rule. i love them. i oeeorweerw— created a rule. i love them. i absolutely love— created a rule. i love them. i absolutely love them. we neoroorrw— absolutely love them. we medically transitioned kids. rnew-re— medically transitioned kids. were eerrr— medically transitioned kids. they're still doing it. we eonneo— they're still doing it. we eonneo re.— they're still doing it. we banned it. so— they're still doing it. we banned it. so he came up with a

rere— banned it. so he came up with a we no— banned it. so he came up with a rule that said,— banned it. so he came up with a rule that said, all— banned it. so he came up with a rule that said, all right, nere— rule that said, all right, here's what— rule that said, all right, here's what we're going to do. if_transition- if you medically transition oowree— if you medically transition adults—need. if you medically transition adults—need to if you medically transition- adults_need to tell adults or kids, we need to tell enen — adults or kids, we need to tell enen .re-e— adults or kids, we need to tell enen .re-e o— adults or kids, we need to tell them it's a experimental , them that it's a experimental, ooeen-e— them that it's a experimental, doesn't_causes| doesn't cure anything, causes causes more suicide . the adults causes more suicide. the adults enoe— causes more suicide. the adults enoe eeon— causes more suicide. the adults enoe eeore re— causes more suicide. the adults that start it need— causes more suicide. the adults that start it need to go through an that start it need to go through on re— that start it need to go through on re nonen— that start it need to go through an 18 month worth of therapy and the an 18 month worth of therapy and we erone— an 18 month worth of therapy and the trans activists— an 18 month worth of therapy and the trans activists are flipping owe.— the trans activists are flipping one. why?— the trans activists are flipping out. why? because makes out. why? because it makes oeoore— out. why? because it makes oeopre-oeowe- out. why? because it makes people-about it.- out. why? because it makes people about it. it gives people talk about it. it gives peoore— people talk about it. it gives peopre ene— people talk about it. it gives people the information that peoore— people the information that peopre neeo— people the information that people need know if you want people need to know if you want to medically transition, do it. one— to medically transition, do it. one no— to medically transition, do it. one no .— to medically transition, do it. one no , ene— to medically transition, do it. but no , the truth. it's not. it but no, the truth. it's not. it ooeen-e— but no, the truth. it's not. it ooeen-e owe— but no, the truth. it's not. it doesn't cure anything. it's neoroor— doesn't cure anything. it's medical transition in. and we're making— medical transition in. and we're making or— medical transition in. and we're making our society arnie sick wnrre— making our society arnie sick wnrre rn— making our society arnie sick while i'm peeing— making our society arnie sick while i'm peeing in london and seoneworr. — while i'm peeing in london and stonewall. come— while i'm peeing in london and stonewall. t stonewall. come back, stonewall have said that they that most people who through these people who go through these transitional processes don't have what? have these complications. what? poppycock. true. the poppycock. that's not true. the onrw— poppycock. that's not true. the onrw-eewow- poppycock. that's not true. the onrw-eewow .- poppycock. that's not true. the only study . poppy. only long term study. poppy. poppy-— only long term study. poppy. poppy-_poppy-i poppy- poppy- poppy- poppy- poppy—5°- poppy- poppy- poppy- poppy- poppy—5° r- p0ppy- p0ppy- p0ppy- p0ppy- rooow—so . rn| p0ppy- p0ppy- p0ppy- p0ppy-- poppy—so , in other poppy poppycock. so, in other wro— poppy poppycock. so, in other words, about being informed is the debate. who's going to eeeoeee— the debate. who's going to eeeoeee r— the debate. who's going to debate? i mean,— the debate. who's going to debate? i mean, i- : who's going to debate? i mean, i had a debate wren— debate? i mean, i had a debate wren ene— debate? i mean, i had a debate with the biggest— debate? i mean, i had a debate with the biggest urologist in noeeon— with the biggest urologist in boston-refused.- with the biggest urologist in boston refused. nobody will boston who refused. nobody will sit boston who refused. nobody will ere-ne— boston who refused. nobody will ere-nelenow— boston who refused. nobody will sit-me,-know why?- sit with me, you know why? neoowee— sit with me, you know why? because nobody— sit with me, you know why? because nobody can debate me. rnre— because nobody can debate me. rnre re— because nobody can debate me. rnre re rwong— because nobody can debate me. this is wrong. this— because nobody can debate me. this is wrong. this is a black one— this is wrong. this is a black one wnree— this is wrong. this is a black and white issue. _ this is wrong. this is a black and white issue. there is no grey— and white issue. there is no grey-we— and white issue. there is no grey-we should-

and white issue. there is no grey we should not grey in this. we should not neoroorrw— grey in this. we should not medically children medically transition children one—enoel medically transition children i one—enoe and shame on people that are oeroro— and shame on people that are oeroro oe— and shame on people that are afraid of losing— and shame on people that are afraid of losing jobs. shame on gays— afraid of losing jobs. shame on gowe one— afraid of losing jobs. shame on gays and lesbians— afraid of losing jobs. shame on gays and lesbians for not egeowrng— gays and lesbians for not egeowrng wro.— gays and lesbians for not speaking up. shame on doctors , speaking up. shame on doctors, enone— speaking up. shame on doctors, enone on— speaking up. shame on doctors, shame on therapists, because i get shame on therapists, because i gee enoee— shame on therapists, because i get those emails— shame on therapists, because i get those emails .— shame on therapists, because i get those emails. i get shame on therapists, because i get those emails . i get people get those emails. i get people enoe— get those emails. i get people no enrnw— get those emails. i get people that think that— get those emails. i get people that think that they are nweonee. — that think that they are nweonee. r— that think that they are mutants. i get people that are wrrrrng— mutants. i get people that are killing themselves. i get people oorrrng— killing themselves. i get people oorrrng ne— killing themselves. i get people calling me with— killing themselves. i get people calling me with guns in their nowen. — calling me with guns in their nowen. ano— calling me with guns in their mouth. and while everybody else is mouth. and while everybody else re oonoerneo— mouth. and while everybody else is concerned about— mouth. and while everybody else is concerned about women that are concerned about not seeming ergoeeo— are concerned about not seeming bigoted effectively,— are concerned about not seeming bigoted effectively, yeah , it's bigoted effectively, yeah, it's owow— bigoted effectively, yeah, it's owow for— bigoted effectively, yeah, it's okay for these _ bigoted effectively, yeah, it's okay for these kids. yeah i mean, you raised- okay for these kids. yeah i mean, you raised some very, very important points. mean, you raised some very, very important points . and you've important points. and you've said that today you were talking about how almost at the about how you're almost at the point don't want do point where you don't want to do this work i've this kind of work anymore. i've been doing this for years. been doing this for five years. listen, paid for this. listen, i'm not paid for this. rn— listen, i'm not paid for this. i'mlbusiness_ listen, i'm not paid for this. i'm business executive. i'm a business sales executive. r-we— i'm a business sales executive. rweooreer—- i'm a business sales executive. rweooreer— eol i'm a business sales executive. i've—career to doj i've given up that career to do enre— i've given up that career to do ewe-onene— i've given up that career to do this._spent $400- i've given up that career to do this. spent $400 that this. i just spent $400 that i done— this. i just spent $400 that i done nowe— this. i just spent $400 that i don't have of— this. i just spent $400 that i don't have of i— this. i just spent $400 that i don't have of i got a job. i'm oeeegerng— don't have of i got a job. i'm oeeegerng re— don't have of i got a job. i'm oeeegerng re .— don't have of i got a job. i'm oeeegerng re . r— don't have of i got a job. i'm accepting it . i have gotten paid accepting it. i have gotten paid for none— accepting it. i have gotten paid for oe— accepting it. i have gotten paid for none of this— accepting it. i have gotten paid for none of this is— accepting it. i have gotten paid for none of this is my kids are oeeorweerw— for none of this is my kids are absolutely free. _ for none of this is my kids are absolutely free. i— for none of this is my kids are absolutely free. i can't even pav— absolutely free. i can't even row for— absolutely free. i can't even row for nw— absolutely free. i can't even pay for my kid_ absolutely free. i can't even pay for my kid to go to college or eeow— pay for my kid to go to college or eeow on— pay for my kid to go to college or stay on campus.— pay for my kid to go to college or stay on campus. so i'm doing enre— or stay on campus. so i'm doing we eeoowee— or stay on campus. so i'm doing this because i'm— or stay on campus. so i'm doing this because i'm a— or stay on campus. so i'm doing this because i'm a mother, eeoowee— this because i'm a mother,

eeoowee r— this because i'm a mother, because i gave— this because i'm a mother, because i gave birth and because if i because i gave birth and because re r oron-e— because i gave birth and because re r oron-e oo— because i gave birth and because if i didn't do this,— because i gave birth and because if i didn't do this, i— because i gave birth and because if i didn't do this, i wouldn't be o— if i didn't do this, i wouldn't be o nome— if i didn't do this, i wouldn't be a mother and— if i didn't do this, i wouldn't be a mother and neither would any— be a mother and neither would onw oe— be a mother and neither would onw of wow.— be a mother and neither would onw of wow. r— be a mother and neither would any of you. i have— be a mother and neither would any of you. i have three onrroren— any of you. i have three children as— any of you. i have three children as well, any of you. i have three children as well , scott three i children as well, scott three i enrne— children as well, scott three i enrnw ree— children as well, scott three i think it's really— children as well, scott three i think it's really important that wo-e— think it's really important that you've come on and spoken about enre— you've come on and spoken about we one— you've come on and spoken about we one we— you've come on and spoken about this and you've let— you've come on and spoken about this and you've let people know you've come on and spoken about this aiyouru've let people know you've come on and spoken about this aiyour experience, ple know about your experience, because i enrnw—re— about your experience, because i enrnw—re on- think that in itself is an rngonone— think that in itself is an. rnooreone—gee think that in itself is an- important_ get across. important message to get across. did important message to get across. ore-ooroooe— important message to get across. did - across? are - important message to get across. did _across? are you - did i get it across? are you guys did i get it across? are you gwwe neorrng— did i get it across? are you guys hearing me?- did i get it across? are you guys hearing me? you- “j r: grit t t“ are you guys hearing me? you guys hear me? — guys hearing me? you guys hear me? ereooe— guys hearing me? you guys hear me? please stop.— guys hearing me? you guys hear me? “e"é me? please stop. thank you so much for coming on the show. scott nugent . after the break, scott nugent. after the break, on free— scott nugent. after the break, on free eneeon— scott nugent. after the break, on free speech nation,- t origin after the break, on free speech nation, is t \r9:2 after the break, on free speech nation, is the sooeeren— on free speech nation, is the scottish government mounting an erreree— scottish government mounting an elitist assault— scottish government mounting an elitist assault on— scottish government mounting an elitist assault on the justice eweeen — elitist assault on the justice eweeen e— elitist assault on the justice system ? we'll— elitist assault on the justice system ? we'll be live to system? we'll be live to sooerono.— system? we'll be live to scotland. see- system? we'll be live to scotland. see you in two minutes

forward from this. welcome back to free speech nation. so this week in someone,— nation. so this week in scotland, a— nation. so this week in scotland, a new- we rzzr" so this week in scotland, a new criminal we cir" so this week in scotland, a new criminal justice bill scotland, a new criminal justice errr oe— scotland, a new criminal justice bill was published— scotland, a new criminal justice bill was published which rnorwoeo— bill was published which included abolishing jury trials included abolishing jury trials rn rope— included abolishing jury trials

rn rope oeee— included abolishing jury trials in rape cases .— included abolishing jury trials in rape cases . does this mean in rape cases. does this mean norrerorone— in rape cases. does this mean porrererone one— in rape cases. does this mean politicians and senior judges do politicians and seniorjudges do not politicians and seniorjudges do noe erwee— politicians and seniorjudges do noe erwee ene — politicians and seniorjudges do not trust the public to adjudicate— not trust the public to adjudicate on serious sexual oeeenoe— adjudicate on serious sexual offence cases?— adjudicate on serious sexual offence cases? well, that's the wew— offence cases? well, that's the oe— offence cases? well, that's the or nw— offence cases? well, that's the view of my next— offence cases? well, that's the view of my next guest , offence cases? well, that's the view of my next guest, senior wnrwererew— view of my next guest, senior university lecturer and author swore— university lecturer and author stuart waiton. _ university lecturer and author stuart waiton. stuart now joins me stuart waiton. stuart now joins ne ewe— stuart waiton. stuart now joins ne rrwe eron — stuart waiton. stuart now joins me live from dundee. welcome to nee— me live from dundee. welcome to rree sneeon— me live from dundee. welcome to free speech nation.— me live from dundee. welcome to free speech nation. stuart, corro— free speech nation. stuart, oowro wow— free speech nation. stuart, could you perhaps give us some eooegrowno— could you perhaps give us some eoeegrowno eo— could you perhaps give us some background to this— could you perhaps give us some background to this because a lot of background to this because a lot oe—oel of people won't have heard of wnoe-e—wnoel of people won't have heard ofi what's—what is of people won't have heard of. what's—what is it what's happened here. what is it enoe— what's happened here. what is it no ene— what's happened here. what is it no we swe— what's happened here. what is it that the snp are— what's happened here. what is it that the snp are proposing? um, so , so essentially— that the snp are proposing? um, so , so essentially they want to so, so essentially they want to get— so, so essentially they want to gee rro— so, so essentially they want to gee no or— so, so essentially they want to gee no of row— so, so essentially they want to get rid of jury trials or at reoee— get rid of jury trials or at reoee ree— get rid of jury trials or at least it's a— get rid of jury trials or at least it's a pilot pilot to get rid least it's a pilot pilot to get no or— least it's a pilot pilot to get no of row— least it's a pilot pilot to get rid of jury trials. 'r: rid of jury trials. and this is part— rid of jury trials. and this is part of a process towards setting up specialist sex courts. so rather than just having ordinary courts , they having ordinary courts, they want to have specialist sex courts . they don't want ordinary courts. they don't want ordinary people to adjudicate on rape because ordinary people are too bigoted . they have they believe bigoted. they have they believe in rape myths as it's described, whereas us judges are more enlightened. and so they want to have judges adjudicating on rape cases and judges who are trauma

informed . and so they will have informed. and so they will have been trained to be trauma informed, which i can elaborate on but won't at the minute . um, on but won't at the minute. um, and they say there's overwhelming evidence that the general public have got these outdated ideas . and so you need outdated ideas. and so you need this new process, this new way of having justice because not enough rape cases are leading to conviction. so there's 51% lead to convictions , um, compared to convictions, um, compared with , say, 80% in homicide , for with, say, 80% in homicide, for example. there is a valid point were— example. there is a valid point enere enowgn— example. there is a valid point enere enowgn .— example. there is a valid point there though , isn't— c326? there is a valid point there though , isn't there, that there though, isn't there, that enoe— there though, isn't there, that no enoe— there though, isn't there, that no no rope— there though, isn't there, that that that rape cases are notoriously— that that rape cases are notoriously difficult to convict one— notoriously difficult to convict one o— notoriously difficult to convict one o roe— notoriously difficult to convict one o roe o— notoriously difficult to convict and a lot a lot— notoriously difficult to convict and a lot a lot of— notoriously difficult to convict and a lot a lot of the time they eon-e— and a lot a lot of the time they don't-convictions- and a lot a lot of the time they don't convictions and don't get the convictions and woe— don't get the convictions and we enew— don't get the convictions and that they feel— don't get the convictions and that they feel they have to do eoneenrng — that they feel they have to do something-that. - that they feel they have to do something that. that something about that. and that nowee—eo- something about that. and that nowee—eo eol something about that. and that nowee—eo eo re.i maybe this is one way to do it. wnoe— maybe this is one way to do it. wnoe wowe— maybe this is one way to do it. what would you _ maybe this is one way to do it. what would you make of that? were— what would you make of that? were won— what would you make of that? were won know,— what would you make of that? well you know, you could say onrw— well you know, you could say onrw eoeo— well you know, you could say onrw eoe/o oe— well you know, you could say only 80% of homicides find convictions. _ only 80% of homicides find convictions. so— only 80% of homicides find convictions. : convictions. so we need that's not good. we need more law. so let's change the justice system

so that the balance is completely in favour of the individual and all the safety framework work and the expectation of evidence and justice and innocent until proven guilty should just, you know, push that aside. and i mean, the thing there's lots of things you can say about the rape situation itself. so, for example , 51% of cases are found example, 51% of cases are found guilty . and people say, well, guilty. and people say, well, you know, there's more in homicide cases , but, you know, homicide cases, but, you know, there's this editor of the scottish legal news , for scottish legal news, for example, carpal suman makes the observation that why should you expect rape and murder to end with the same level numbers of convictions, right, with murder, you have a clear crime. you have a body with rape. you don't have a body with rape. you don't have a clear crime. you're actually trying to prove that a crime has been committed in the first place. it's therefore , it is place. it's therefore, it is potentially much more difficult . on top of that, this idea. and

it's amazing that they always say that they're evidence based. they say there's overwhelming evidence that the jury , general evidence that the jury, general pubuc evidence that the jury, general public are based on mock jury trials . right. so this public are based on mock jury trials. right. so this is the research that's been done at glasgow university. however, cheryl thomas, who's the leading expert on doing research with actual juries, argues and i quote, hardly any juror believes what are often referred to as widespread myths and stereotypes about rape and sexual assault and she's done massive amount of research into this and says the main myth is the idea that there are rape myths, i.e. the general pubuc are rape myths, i.e. the general public do not have profoundly backward 1950s view about rape at all. and from her evidence , at all. and from her evidence, she completely contradicts it. in scotland , nobody seems to in scotland, nobody seems to care. nobody seems to have found her work or found that there's a clash here about what's happening . so we're going to end happening. so we're going to end up potentially with trials where

you just have a judge who is , as you just have a judge who is, as i said, trauma informed . i mean, i said, trauma informed. i mean, thatis i said, trauma informed. i mean, that is quite a leap,— i said, trauma informed. i mean, that is quite a leap, isn't- i mean, that is quite a leap, isn't it, to eliminate— that is quite a leap, isn't it, to eliminate the— that is quite a leap, isn't it, to eliminate the jury to sort of ewnoee— to eliminate the jury to sort of ewgoee rnoe— to eliminate the jury to sort of ewgoee enoe wew— to eliminate the jury to sort of bypass that very sort of key nroeee— bypass that very sort of key nroeee oe— bypass that very sort of key process of the— bypass that very sort of key process of the judicial system? it process of the judicial system? re eeene— process of the judicial system? re goree— process of the judicial system? it seems quite an— process of the judicial system? it seems quite an extreme reooeron— it seems quite an extreme reooeron .— it seems quite an extreme reaction , but— it seems quite an extreme reaction , but i— it seems quite an extreme reaction , but i suppose there reaction, but i suppose there noe— reaction, but i suppose there noe eo— reaction, but i suppose there noe eo ee— reaction, but i suppose there has to be some— reaction, but i suppose there has to be some sort of debate oeowe— has to be some sort of debate oeowe oeowe— has to be some sort of debate about about why— has to be some sort of debate about about why conviction rates are about about why conviction rates ore-one— about about why conviction rates oe-one wow-re— about about why conviction rates are and you're saying are so low and you're saying we— are so low and you're saying we enere— are so low and you're saying that there is— are so low and you're saying that there is counter evidence to that there is counter evidence eo ene — that there is counter evidence eo ene reeo— that there is counter evidence to the idea that— that there is counter evidence to the idea that these myths are nropogoeee.— to the idea that these myths are nropogoeeelre-e— to the idea that these myths are propagated. it's kind of propagated. but it's the kind of enrng— propagated. but it's the kind of enrnglneonre— propagated. but it's the kind of thing-people will— propagated. but it's the kind of thing people will say, well, thing of people will say, well, if thing of people will say, well, re eoneonee— thing of people will say, well, if someone's dressed in a oereorn—geei if someone's dressed in a. certain—get this certain way that you get this wne— certain way that you get this krnelwroern— certain way that you get this kind victim blaming thing, is kind of victim blaming thing, is enoe— kind of victim blaming thing, is enoe-erne— kind of victim blaming thing, is enoe-erne oe— kind of victim blaming thing, is that-kind of myth- kind of victim blaming thing, is that kind of myth you're that the kind of myth you're eorerng—ewe- that the kind of myth you're talking—but butj talking about? it is. but but even-r— talking about? it is. but but even i was looking at even there, i was looking at eneee— even there, i was looking at eneee nwene— even there, i was looking at these myths and— even there, i was looking at these myths and what they are . these myths and what they are. so these myths and what they are. so eneee— these myths and what they are. so these these— these myths and what they are. so these these are— these myths and what they are. so these these are things- these myths and what they are. so these these are things that are meant to that you're are meant to show that you're profoundly prejudice. okay. so these include things like that. the person didn't scream or fight . okay. so is that so if fight. okay. so is that so if that doesn't happen and you think that that might be relevant, does that mean you're an old fashioned bigot, relevant, does that mean you're an old fashioned bigot , that the an old fashioned bigot, that the person failed to sufficiently

communicate her lack of consent 7 communicate her lack of consent ? okay. so again, if there is if someone's if there's no evidence that the person committed , the that the person committed, the person doing it, that the person committed, the person doing it , the accused person doing it, the accused didn't know that this person was not consenting , is that not not consenting, is that not relevant? right these are all things that are said to be mixed, that women sometimes send mixed, that women sometimes send mixed signals . mixed, that women sometimes send mixed signals. us. right. mixed, that women sometimes send mixed signals . us. right. that's mixed signals. us. right. that's a rape myth. supposedly do women never say and mixed signals now in some cases , stewart can say in some cases, stewart can say yes, you must be aware, though, that i mean, the whole reason why the metoo movement arose is because a lot the women because a lot of the time women were the police about were going to the police about sexual assaults and not being believed. i you must be sexual assaults and not being believthati you must be sexual assaults and not being believthat that you must be sexual assaults and not being believthat that yai must be sexual assaults and not being believthat that yai rwas be aware that that was a it was nonnenrng. — aware that that was a it was happening- _are- aware that that was a it was happening. are you happening. i mean, are you eowrng— happening. i mean, are you- eowrng—nopnenrng saying that that isn't happening onwrnore— saying that that isn't happening onwnorelwo. — saying that that isn't happening anymore-no. what- saying that that isn't happening anymore \rr:r 9 anymore? no. what i'm saying, you're right. i mean, i think if you're right. i mean, i think if you compare and contrast sort of 19705, 80 you compare and contrast sort of 1970s, 80 was backward prejudiced approaches to women

and rape, things are better. um, and rape, things are better. um, and you would want to you know, you would want to hold open the possibility that this is true and then you would what you would want to do is you would find evidence, right ? but would want to do is you would find evidence, right? but i mean, the thing to mean, the thing, the thing to think as well is that think about here as well is that what's being argued is that the pubuc what's being argued is that the public have backward views and therefore can't be trusted. but therefore can't be trusted. but the law is meant to reflect the pubuc the law is meant to reflect the public right. the law is not meant to be a reflection of the elite and their prejudices and i think what you're seeing here really is elite prejudice about the deplorables. they think ordinary people are sexist, bigoted , homophobic, racist, bigoted, homophobic, racist, etcetera , etcetera, etcetera. etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. which mean you describe this often on your program, the way this works itself, that is their mindset in scotland . the entire mindset in scotland. the entire framework has been developed around what i would see as an extreme form of feminism. that

is right at the centre of scottish government. the scottish government. the scottish criminal justice system and holyrood. and there's plenty of evidence there'd be quite open to say yes where feminists we believe in a patriarchal society see women are oppressed, men are dominators. and then from prison , which is from that prison, which is highly problematic , contestable highly problematic, contestable , they are then trying to change the basis of justice, which is that you should have a jury of your peers when you've got a serious offence like rape rather than a judge who's going to be under massive pressure to convict the person. well it's a very interesting debate. i'm sure it will go on. 9 : i'm sure it will go on. stuart woreon— sure it will go on. stuart waiton, thanks very much for rornrng— waiton, thanks very much for rornrng ne— waiton, thanks very much for rornrng ne .— waiton, thanks very much for joining me . and— waiton, thanks very much for joining me . and after the break joining me. and after the break on nee— joining me. and after the break on free speech— joining me. and after the break on free speech nation , we're on free speech nation, we're going— on free speech nation, we're gorng eo— on free speech nation, we're gorng eo nowe— on free speech nation, we're going to have this week's social seneoerone— going to have this week's social sensations and— going to have this week's social sensations and unfiltered errennoe.— sensations and unfiltered dilemmas. see you .

in two. i in two.| welcome i in two. - welcome back | n we. - welcome back to | n ewe.— welcome back to free | n we. — welcome back to free speech woeron. — welcome back to free speech woeron. so— welcome back to free speech nation. so it's— welcome back to free speech nation. so it's time for social eeneoerone — nation. so it's time for social sensations. the— nation. so it's time for social sensations. the part of the show we eewoee— sensations. the part of the show we eewoee eo— sensations. the part of the show we devote to the— sensations. the part of the show we devote to the very weird and not we devote to the very weird and noe werw— we devote to the very weird and not very wonderful— we devote to the very weird and not very wonderful world of eooror— not very wonderful world of social media.— not very wonderful world of social media. first up, this wreeo— social media. first up, this wreeo eron — social media. first up, this video from a— social media. first up, this video from a few years ago on dr. video from a few years ago on or. enre— video from a few years ago on or. rnrr noe— video from a few years ago on dr. phil has suddenly resurfaced on rwreeer— dr. phil has suddenly resurfaced on twitter this— dr. phil has suddenly resurfaced on twitter this weekend . and on twitter this weekend. and enre— on twitter this weekend. and we re— on twitter this weekend. and we re o— on twitter this weekend. and this is a woman— on twitter this weekend. and this is a woman who believes she enowre— this is a woman who believes she enowre nowe— this is a woman who believes she should have been— this is a woman who believes she should have been born blind and eooe— should have been born blind and eooe noeeere— should have been born blind and took matters into— should have been born blind and took matters into her own hands . eo— took matters into her own hands . no wow— took matters into her own hands . no wow nowe— took matters into her own hands . no wow nowe onw— took matters into her own hands . do you have any regrets about eoerng— . do you have any regrets about eowrng wow— . do you have any regrets about eowrng wowr on— . do you have any regrets about taking your own vision or the nroeee— taking your own vision or the noeee wren— taking your own vision or the process with which you you did eone— process with which you you did eoee wow— process with which you you did eowe wowr on— process with which you you did take your own vision ? r:r:r" t take your own vision? i don't nowe— take your own vision? i don't nowe onw— take your own vision? i don't have any regrets taking my vision. i believe i should have been born blind and i'm happy the way i am. i do have some regrets about the way i did it, but i'm in the end, i'm happy the way i am . so it's a the way i am. so it's a ereerowre— the way i am. so it's a difficult one,- so it's a difficult one, though, because i do difficult one, though, because i eo eerrewe— difficult one, though, because i do believe anyone— difficult one, though, because i do believe anyone should be able to do believe anyone should be able eo eo— do believe anyone should be able eo eo wnoe— do believe anyone should be able eo eo wnoe enew— do believe anyone should be able to do what they want with their eoeree. — to do what they want with their own bodies. .it_ to do what they want with their own bodies. .it-i- to do what they want with theiri own bodies. .it-i mean, own bodies. but it just i mean, come on, you. i think dr. phil wrenee— come on, you. i think dr. phil wrenee ne-e— come on, you. i think dr. phil wishes he'd met— come on, you. i think dr. phil wishes he'd met her- t i think dr. phil wishes he'd met her a bit

sooner. yes yeah, i remember woeonrng— sooner. yes yeah, i remember woeonrng-erg— sooner. yes yeah, i remember watching-big dr.- sooner. yes yeah, i remember watching big dr. phil watching that big dr. phil fan one— watching that big dr. phil fan one reee— watching that big dr. phil fan and just heartbreak , isn't and just it's heartbreak, isn't it? and just it's heartbreak, isn't ree wnw— and just it's heartbreak, isn't ree wnwlre— and just it's heartbreak, isn't it? why it resurfacing now? it? why is it resurfacing now? rere— it? why is it resurfacing now? rnre erre— it? why is it resurfacing now? rnre one or— it? why is it resurfacing now? this kind of clip— it? why is it resurfacing now? this kind of clip ,_ it? why is it resurfacing now? this kind of clip , i— it? why is it resurfacing now? this kind of clip, i wonder? yeah. well it's this idea, isn't it, yeah. well it's this idea, isn't n, enoe— yeah. well it's this idea, isn't n, we we— yeah. well it's this idea, isn't it, that we should take. i'm onooerng— it, that we should take. i'm enooerng nw— it, that we should take. i'm choosing my words carefully. yes i choosing my words carefully. yes r rreeen— choosing my words carefully. yes r rreeen eo— choosing my words carefully. yes r rreeen eo o— choosing my words carefully. yes i listen to a podcast recently oeowe— i listen to a podcast recently oeowe enre— i listen to a podcast recently about this where— i listen to a podcast recently about this where people's mental rrrneee— about this where people's mental illness sometimes— about this where people's mental illness sometimes perhaps we owgne— illness sometimes perhaps we owgne eo— illness sometimes perhaps we ought to traditionally we eeoeronee— ought to traditionally we sectioned people with certain neneor— sectioned people with certain mental illnesses. yes. and more— mental illnesses. yes. and more no— mental illnesses. yes. and that's now potentially falling out that's now potentially falling owe oe— that's now potentially falling out of fashion— that's now potentially falling out of fashion because we're errorrererng— out of fashion because we're prioritising identity too much. so prioritising identity too much. so re— prioritising identity too much. so re wow— prioritising identity too much. so if you identify as somebody wno— so if you identify as somebody who shouldn't— so if you identify as somebody who shouldn't be— so if you identify as somebody who shouldn't be sighted, the orgwnene— who shouldn't be sighted, the orgwnene re— who shouldn't be sighted, the argument is who— who shouldn't be sighted, the argument is who am i to tell you 7 argument is who am ito tell you ewno-e— argument is who am ito tell you ewno-e or. — argument is who am ito tell you 7 who's dr. phil— argument is who am ito tell you 7 who's dr. phil to— argument is who am ito tell you ? who's dr. phil to tell you enoe— ? who's dr. phil to tell you we won. — ? who's dr. phil to tell you we won. so— ? who's dr. phil to tell you that you. so he's- ? who's dr. phil to tell you that you. t: that you. so he's crested, right? is this just a lunatic? she's obviously got mental neoren— she's obviously got mental health issues,— she's obviously got mental health issues, but as you say, i eerne—rn- health issues, but as you say, i think—in hand- health issues, but as you say, ii think—in hand with think it goes hand in hand with eeone-e— think it goes hand in hand with neopre-e-erne. - think it goes hand in hand with people's kind. live people's like be kind. yes. live one— people's like be kind. yes. live one ree— people's like be kind. yes. live and let live. _ people's like be kind. yes. live and let live. well,— people's like be kind. yes. live and let live. well, i- people's like be kind. yes. live and let live. �*fre�*r:tt " and let live. well, i saw an interview on norwegian tv. i wasn't tv. it wasn't watching norwegian tv. it was a clip that was posted. and it someone identifies as it was someone who identifies as disabled saying nothing wrong with them. but they say i'm always should be in always felt i should be in a wheelchair. and this was an

approving why can't wheelchair. and this was an appijustg why can't wheelchair. and this was an appijust say, why can't wheelchair. and this was an appijust say, be why can't wheelchair. and this was an appijust say, be iigrateful: you just say, be a bit grateful for you've right ? there for what you've got right? there are people who give are people who would give anything swap. and is anything to swap. and that is the is anything to swap. and that is eee-re we— anything to swap. and that isi the-is we-gratitude the thing is we show gratitude wren— the thing is we show gratitude wen-neen— the thing is we show gratitude wren-nern .- the thing is we show gratitude wren-nern . wow- the thing is we show gratitude with help , you know, of the thing is we show gratitude witilist help , you know, of the thing is we show gratitude witilist of help , you know, of the thing is we show gratitude witilist of thingsp , you know, of the thing is we show gratitude witilist of things , , you know, of the thing is we show gratitude witilist of things , wealth now, of the thing is we show gratitude witilist of things , wealth and of the list of things, wealth and all the list of things, wealth and on oe— the list of things, wealth and on oe re.— the list of things, wealth and all of it. health— the list of things, wealth and all of it. health is up at the eon.— all of it. health is up at the eon. vow— all of it. health is up at the top. you cannot— all of it. health is up at the top. you cannot appreciate onwenrng— top. you cannot appreciate onwenrng eree— top. you cannot appreciate anything else wanting a anything else wanting to be a wroern — anything else wanting to be a wroern .— anything else wanting to be a wroern . ren-e— anything else wanting to be a victim , isn't it? _ anything else wanting to be a victim , isn't it? /r:r. r:r:2 ”a. victim, isn't it? you identify yourself out victim status, yourself out of victim status, make yourself blind, make yourself indulging yourself disabled. no. indulging that. that's no one's that. that's the issue. no one's eowrng— that. that's the issue. no one's eowrng enre— that. that's the issue. no one's saying this .wrong_ that. that's the issue. no one's saying this-wrong .- that's the issue. no one's saying this wrong . there is saying this is wrong. there is eoneenrng— saying this is wrong. there is something wrong here. okay. were— something wrong here. okay. were-eo— something wrong here. okay. we're-to move- something wrong here. okay. we're-to move on.- something wrong here. okay. we're to move on. this is we're going to move on. this is a transgender influencer, dylan mulvaney this mulvaney has posted a video this week have week on tiktok. let's have a look. i like week on tiktok. let's have a look . i like the articles look. i like the articles wrreeen— look. i like the articles written about- i like the articles written about me using he pronouns and— written about me using he pronouns and calling me a man one— pronouns and calling me a man over and over again on and i eeer— over and over again on and i eeer eee— over and over again on and i feel like that— over and over again on and i feel like that should be rrregor. — feel like that should be rrregor. r— feel like that should be illegal. i don't- feel like that should be illegal. r:r:r" t illegal. i don't know that's that's just bad journalism . so that's just bad journalism. so i think dylan mulvaney is perfectly entitled to criticise journalists, but to claim that that speech should be illegal . that speech should be illegal. if dylan mulvaney doesn't like the speech , well, let's see what the speech, well, let's see what happens when donald dylan mulvaney says something that's illegal. i mean, it's just a bad

reeo. — illegal. i mean, it's just a bad reeo. weer.— illegal. i mean, it's just a bad idea. well, if— illegal. i mean, it's just a bad idea. well, if you— illegal. i mean, it's just a bad idea. well, if you set- illegal. i mean, it's just a bad idea. well, if you set that precedent we can precedent saying that we can decide eventually somebody decide what eventually somebody will you'll will be in power and you'll want to they don't to say something that they don't want say, just don't go want you to say, just don't go there. but i think he should be want you to say, just don't go thereto ut i think he should be want you to say, just don't go thereto doi think he should be want you to say, just don't go thereto do whatever should be want you to say, just don't go thereto do whatever he ould be want you to say, just don't go thereto do whatever he wants; able to do whatever he wants with his life in his body. yes. he man. and he because he's a man. and i don't mind can dress or don't mind that he can dress or identify. however because i believe liberal values. but believe in liberal values. but the should be able the idea that he should be able to how i speak, of to impose what how i speak, of course, compelled is insane. well, this is this whole well, this is what this whole movement the gender movement has been the gender ideology. must just go along ideology. you must just go along wren— ideology. you must just go along wren wnoe— ideology. you must just go along with what we're— :9 you must just go along with what we're saying for our rneernor— with what we're saying for our internal feelings— with what we're saying for our internal feelings. with what we're saying for our internal feelings . yeah, it's internal feelings. yeah, it's wrong— internal feelings. yeah, it's wrong eeon— internal feelings. yeah, it's wrong. yeah, of— internal feelings. yeah, it's wrong. yeah, of course it's wrong— wrong. yeah, of course it's wrong . — wrong. yeah, of course it's wrong . okavr_ wrong. yeah, of course it's wrong . wrong. yeah, of course it's- wrong . okay, well, look, we're wrong. okay, well, look, we're going move now to this going to move on now to this part of the show where we talk through unfiltered through your unfiltered dilemmas. our first dilemma came in ann, for in from ann. thank you, ann, for writing says , my writing this. ann says, my female and i, are female colleague and i, who are in have a boss who is in our 60s have a boss who is young enough our son who young enough to be our son who keeps referring to us as keeps on referring to us as girls in emails. when he issues his instructions to us. i find this extremely irritating and feel he's condescending, feel he's being condescending, putting place. but my putting us in our place. but my colleague tells me take as colleague tells me to take it as a compliment to a compliment and not to say

anything. and is anything. who is right and is there a polite way of getting him treat with more him to treat us with more respect ? right. so cressida, as respect? right. so cressida, as the girl on the panel, do you think that is it offensive ? kyiv think that is it offensive? kyiv look, love, is it ? i don't know. look, love, is it? i don't know. ween— look, love, is it? i don't know. wnen r— look, love, is it? i don't know. wnen r woe— look, love, is it? i don't know. wnen r re.— look, love, is it? i don't know. when i was 18, i— look, love, is it? i don't know. when i was 18, i would- t?’ idon't know. when i was 18, i would have had a when i was 18, i would have had o roe— when i was 18, i would have had o roe eo— when i was 18, i would have had o roe eo eow— when i was 18, i would have had a lot to say about— when i was 18, i would have had a lot to say about this and i reee— a lot to say about this and i rwee eon-e— a lot to say about this and i just don't care.— a lot to say about this and i just don't care. i— a lot to say about this and i just don't care. i mean, enjoy it just don't care. i mean, enjoy re wnrre— just don't care. i mean, enjoy re were won— just don't care. i mean, enjoy it while you can.— just don't care. i mean, enjoy it while you can. i- just don't care. i mean, enjoy it while you can. i don't know. is it while you can. i don't know. re re— it while you can. i don't know. is it complimentary? then it is it complimentary? then is it eonprrneneorwe— is it complimentary? then is it complimentary? no, it's not complimentary? no no, it's not eonnrrneneorw.— complimentary? no no, it's not complimentary.-?. complimentary? no no, it's not complimentary.-? ii complimentary. okay. is it? i neonleowe— complimentary. okay. is it? i mean,.says more- complimentary. okay. is it? i mean, says more about him mean, it says more about him enon— mean, it says more about him enon-r— mean, it says more about him enon-r-re- mean, it says more about him than-i-it tells- mean, it says more about him than-i-it tells me| than them. i think it tells me enoe— than them. i think it tells me enoe-werw— than them. i think it tells me that very self—aware. that he's not very self—aware. or that he's not very self—aware. or-erwrng— that he's not very self—aware. or-erwrng eo— that he's not very self—aware. or-trying to.nice- that he's not very self—aware. or-trying to.nice ? l or is he trying to be nice? like, that's bit david brent, like, that's a bit david brent, ren-e— like, that's a bit david brent, ren-ele — like, that's a bit david brent, ren-ele ne-e— like, that's a bit david brent, isn'tl? he's a— like, that's a bit david brent, isn'tl? he's a.david. like, that's a bit david brent,- isn'tl? he's a.david brent isn't it? he's a bit david brent but brent was a nice guy but david brent was a nice guy getting wasn't getting things wrong, wasn't he? and i wouldn't make david brent rrregor.— and i wouldn't make david brent rrregor. so— and i wouldn't make david brent rrregor. so eorrw— and i wouldn't make david brent illegal. so carry-it- illegal. so carry on. is it oeeenerwe— illegal. so carry on. is it offensive your, your , you offensive your, your, you know a lot this sort stuff. lot about this sort of stuff. yes offence . yeah. well yes causing offence. yeah. well i mean yes causing offence. yeah. well r ree— yes causing offence. yeah. well r re-e .— yes causing offence. yeah. well i mean it's , it's— yes causing offence. yeah. well i mean it's , it's a— yes causing offence. yeah. well i mean it's , it's a tricky- 4:5 9 t yeah. well i mean it's , it's a tricky one i mean it's, it's a tricky one eeoowee— i mean it's, it's a tricky one eeoowee r— i mean it's, it's a tricky one because i catch— i mean it's, it's a tricky one because i catch myself out now eowrng— because i catch myself out now eowrng gree— because i catch myself out now eowrng grrre or— because i catch myself out now saying girls or you— because i catch myself out now saying girls or you know instead of saying girls or you know instead oe nw— saying girls or you know instead oe nw wree-e— saying girls or you know instead of my wife's like— saying girls or you know instead of my wife's like she's a woman . ane— of my wife's like she's a woman . ane r— of my wife's like she's a woman . ane r woe— of my wife's like she's a woman . and i was like,— of my wife's like she's a woman . and i was like, oh— of my wife's like she's a woman . and i was like, oh yeah. of my wife's like she's a woman . and i was like, oh yeah . yes. . and i was like, oh yeah. yes. see-e— . and i was like, oh yeah. yes. sne-e o— . and i was like, oh yeah. yes. sne-e o re— . and i was like, oh yeah. yes. sne-e o re rn— . and i was like, oh yeah. yes. she's a if i'm describing

eoneeoew— she's a if i'm describing somebody or— she's a if i'm describing somebody or so it is a you do nowe— somebody or so it is a you do nowe eo— somebody or so it is a you do nowe eo rook— somebody or so it is a you do have to look there's something going— have to look there's something gorng on— have to look there's something gorng on enere. — have to look there's something going on there. okay. /r:r. going on there. okay. you think it going on there. okay. you think re re— going on there. okay. you think re re o— going on there. okay. you think it is a form of it's patronising, but it comes from a certain kind of who knows what his intent is. exactly. ereoreerw— his intent is. exactly. precisely but- his intent is. exactly. precisely but it- " exactly. precisely but it could well his intent is. exactly. - precisely but it could well be one— precisely but it could well be one oereornrw— precisely but it could well be and certainly if— precisely but it could well be and certainly if he is like norkeerw— and certainly if he is like markedly younger , he could well markedly younger, he could well be eeerng— markedly younger, he could well be eeerng re— markedly younger, he could well be eeerng re oe— markedly younger, he could well be seeing it as like, hey, grrre— be seeing it as like, hey, grrre. nowee— be seeing it as like, hey, girls, maybe status girls, maybe it's a status eerne— girls, maybe it's a status enrng. enen— girls, maybe it's a status enrng. enen .— girls, maybe it's a status thing, then , i- girls, maybe it's a status thing, then , i don't know. or thing, then, i don't know. or wno— thing, then, i don't know. or weo-nee- thing, then, i don't know. or weo-ne-e-noei thing, then, i don't know. orl who-he's-not a thing, then, i don't know. or- who-he's-not a good who knows? he's just not a good quy- who knows? he's just not a good guy. knows? look, guy. who knows? well, look, we've got another dilemma now from lottie says, one of from lottie. lottie says, one of my best friends just started my best friends has just started dating i set dating my male flatmate. i set them up originally was fine with them up originally was fine with the being together, them up originally was fine with the she's being together, them up originally was fine with the she's aroundg together, them up originally was fine with the she's around the gether, them up originally was fine with the she's around the whole but now she's around the whole time and they like it's time and they feel like it's starting damage our starting to damage our friendship. how do tell friendship. how do i tell them that i don't that i need some space? i don't want her. what do you want to lose her. what do you think? think house chairs think? i think house chairs should illegal. well, think? i think house chairs should illegal . well, we're should be illegal. well, we're eowrng— should be illegal. well, we're talking about— should be illegal. well, we're talking about things- should be illegal. well, we're talking about things i- : 9 well, we're talking about things i haven't eone— talking about things i haven't eone re— talking about things i haven't eone re eor— talking about things i haven't done it for many— talking about things i haven't done it for many years, and i wowe— done it for many years, and i wowre-re— done it for many years, and i would-it again.- done it for many years, and i would it again. and would never do it again. and more— would never do it again. and enoe-e—ene- that's just the tip of the roeeerg.— that's just the tip of the iceberg, isn't— that's just the tip of the iceberg, isn't it? it's not going— iceberg, isn't it? it's not gorng eo— iceberg, isn't it? it's not gorng eo ene— iceberg, isn't it? it's not going to end well. no, i don't eerne— going to end well. no, i don't eerne-ore— going to end well. no, i don't think-all going- going to end well. no, i don't think all going sit think they're all going to sit eown— down and have a nice conversation - conversation and agree. no. war,— conversation and agree. no. were-enre— conversation and agree. no. were-eern re- conversation and agree. no. well,-this is what- well, this is this is what happened me. i just i happened to me. and i just i lost friends. oh lost two best friends. oh really? what it

really? that's exactly what it was. yeah and they they hooked really? that's exactly what it wazand ah and they they hooked really? that's exactly what it wazand then|d they they hooked really? that's exactly what it wazand then that ay they hooked really? that's exactly what it wazand then that wasrey hooked really? that's exactly what it wazand then that was it. hooked up and then that was it. i was like, well, josh, like, all right, well, josh, i would love to explore that therapeutically with you, but we've . it was we've run out of time. it was a girl on that. we've run out of time. it was a grrr on enoe. en— we've run out of time. it was a girl on that. on that- " t it was a girl on that. on that tragic noe— girl on that. on that tragic note, thanks— girl on that. on that tragic note, thanks joining us for note, thanks for joining us for nee— note, thanks for joining us for nee-eoeon— note, thanks for joining us for free - nation. this- note, thanks for joining us for free nation. this was the free speech nation. this was the week— free speech nation. this was the ween-ereen— free speech nation. this was the week biden formally week when joe biden formally rownonee— week when joe biden formally launched campaign launched his campaign for a eeone— launched his campaign for al launched his campaign for a- second _woman was second term. another woman was oeeowreee— second term. another woman was assaulted-speaking- second term. another woman was assaulted speaking mind assaulted for speaking her mide and assaulted for speaking her mind one on— assaulted for speaking her mind and an italian— assaulted for speaking her mind and an italian mermaid got all the and an italian mermaid got all eee-noe— and an italian mermaid got all eee-eoe one— and an italian mermaid got all the hot and bothered. the locals hot and bothered. rnonke— the locals hot and bothered. thanks-panel.- the locals hot and bothered.- thanks-panel.-howie thanks to my panel. josh howie one— thanks to my panel. josh howie one creeereo— thanks to my panel. josh howie and cressida wetton and of oonreelnw— and cressida wetton and of. course,.my-douglas course, to my guests, douglas corewerr.— course, to my guests, douglas carswell,.carol_ course, to my guests, douglas carswell, carol sherwood, carswell, dr. carol sherwood, een— carswell, dr. carol sherwood, een nonre— carswell, dr. carol sherwood, een norrre .— carswell, dr. carol sherwood, ben harris , raquel rosario ben harris, raquel rosario sononez.— ben harris, raquel rosario sanchez, scott— ben harris, raquel rosario sanchez, scott nugent and stuart woreon— sanchez, scott nugent and stuart woreon. ane— sanchez, scott nugent and stuart woreon. ane re— sanchez, scott nugent and stuart waiton. and if you— sanchez, scott nugent and stuart waiton. and if you want to join us waiton. and if you want to join we rrwe— waiton. and if you want to join we rrwe rn— waiton. and if you want to join we rrwe rn ene— waiton. and if you want to join us live in the studio, be part of us live in the studio, be part oe or— us live in the studio, be part of our wonderful— us live in the studio, be part of our wonderful studio owerene — of our wonderful studio audience. _dol of our wonderful studio. audience. _do that. audience. you can do that. just golw—w—w— audience. you can do that. just golw—w—w eoe— audience. you can do that. just go w—w—w dot sro go to w—w—w dot sro audiences.com. stay tuned for the brilliant— audiences.com. stay tuned for the brilliant mark dolan ronrgne. — the brilliant mark dolan tonight. that's next. and headliners— tonight. that's next. and headliners is— tonight. that's next. and headliners is on at 11:00 where oeerone— headliners is on at 11:00 where comedians take— headliners is on at 11:00 where comedians take you through the newe— comedians take you through the nexe eow-e— comedians take you through the newe eow-e ee— comedians take you through the next day's news stories. thanks for next day's news stories. thanks eor woeonrng. — next day's news stories. thanks for watching. see— next day's news stories. thanks for watching. see you next week . weren— for watching. see you next week . were one— for watching. see you next week . hello and welcome- for watching. see you next week . hello and welcome to- for watching. see you next week . hello and welcome to the latest weather update from the met office. i'm marco petagna. snowere— met office. i'm marco petagna. snowere wru— swlr:t o”t.r: i'm marco petagna. showers will gradually fade ene — showers will gradually fade across the uk— showers will gradually fade across the uk over the next eownre— across the uk over the next eownre oe— across the uk over the next couple of days.— across the uk over the next

couple of days. the weather will eeone— couple of days. the weather will eeone gwree— couple of days. the weather will become quite fine— couple of days. the weather will become quite fine for a time orowne— become quite fine for a time orowne ene— become quite fine for a time around the middle week around the middle of the week for around the middle of the week eor-wrnew— around the middle of the week for-windy weather- for wet and windy weather arrives southwest arrives from the southwest weer.— arrives from the southwest weer—re- arrives from the southwest. later._is moving later. low pressure is moving off later. low pressure is moving oee—orrowrngl off the scene now, allowing a rrege— off the scene now, allowing ai rrege—ewrre ridge of high pressure to build in ridge of high pressure to build rn—rweeeowl ridge of high pressure to build. rn—rweeeow one in certainly through tuesday and weeneeeow— in certainly through tuesday and wednesday before— in certainly through tuesday and wednesday before and wednesday before wet and windy weoener— wednesday before wet and windy weather—pressure. weather arrives as low pressure arrives-southwest- arrives from the southwest enrowgn— arrives from the southwest. through _friday. through thursday and friday. noon— through thursday and friday. noon eo— through thursday and friday. noon eo ene— through thursday and friday. back to the detail for the owernrgne— back to the detail for the overnight period though, back to the detail for the overshowersriod though, back to the detail for the overshowers are though, back to the detail for the overshowers are gradually gh, and showers are gradually transferring— and showers are gradually transferring away west transferring away from west to eoee— transferring away from west to eoee-go— transferring away from west to eoee-go enrowgn- transferring away from west to east go through the east as we go through the owernrgne— east as we go through the overnight-so- east as we go through the overnight so becoming overnight period. so becoming more-towards- overnight period. so becoming. more _towards-north more focussed towards the north one—ewrrng- more focussed towards the north one—ewrrng enel and east of the uk during the eorrw— and east of the uk during the eorrw nowre— and east of the uk during the early hours of— and east of the uk during the early hours of monday, fewer eonere— early hours of monday, fewer showers then _ early hours of monday, fewer showers then towards the showers then out towards the wee— showers then out towards the weee—nrgne- showers then out towards the weee—nrgne .- showers then out towards thei west—night , some west later in the night, some reorer— west later in the night, some oreorer—one- west later in the night, some. clearer_ and turning clearer spells here and turning a clearer spells here and turning olonrrrw— clearer spells here and turning olonrrrw-eone- clearer spells here and turning a chilly some rural a bit chilly across some rural enoee— a bit chilly across some rural enoee-enoee— a bit chilly across some rural. spots-those - spots spots across those western spots eowre— spots across those western spots eowre-neo— spots across those western spots could - into low _ spots across those western spots could into low single could dip into low single ergwree— could dip into low single ergwreelr— could dip into low single figures-10r— could dip into low single figures-1 or 2. - could dip into low single figures 1 or 2. very rural figures in 1 or 2. very rural roooerone— figures in 1 or 2. very rural locations, but— figures in 1 or 2. very rural locations, but out towards the nonn— locations, but out towards the none-eoer— locations, but out towards the north east, generally, north and east, generally, temperatures— north and east, generally,- temperatures _with the north and east, generally,- tempeandres_with the north and east, generally,- tempe and the _with the north and east, generally, tempe and the showers with the north and east, generally, tempe and the showers and th the cloud and the showers and oereornrw— cloud and the showers and oereornrw o— cloud and the showers and certainly a pretty showery oroewre— certainly a pretty showery greewre-go- certainly a pretty showery picture-go into- certainly a pretty showery picture go into bank picture as we go into bank norreow— picture as we go into bank holiday monday across central eoeeern— holiday monday across central eoeeern none— holiday monday across central eastern parts england, or eastern parts of england, 1 or 2 gwree— eastern parts of england, 1 or 2 ewe-enowere.- eastern parts of england, 1 or 2 quite-showers-bel quite heavy showers. could be the .thunderstorm - quite heavy showers. could be the thunderstorm around two the odd thunderstorm around two and the odd thunderstorm around two one eoe— the odd thunderstorm around two one eoeror-- the odd thunderstorm around two and some-rain also- the odd thunderstorm around two and somits rain also the odd thunderstorm around two and somits in rain also the odd thunderstorm around two and somits in rain the working its way in from the nonn— working its way in from the- north _scotland working its way in from the- north_scotland . north across mainlade scotland. so north across mainland scotland. so—eeee- north across mainland scotland. eo—eeee oe- north across mainland scotland. so_best of the. so once again, the best of the ewnenrne— so once again, the best of thei sunshine—better sunshine will be a much better day— sunshine will be a much better eow-owe— sunshine will be a much better eow-owe oroee- day unfolding out across worenern— day unfolding out across northern ireland, wales the northern ireland, wales and the eowen—weee— northern ireland, wales and the south—west england the south—west of england in the ewnernen— south—west of england in the. sunshine,_climbing sunshine, temperatures climbing into sunshine, temperatures climbing rneo—oowre- sunshine, temperatures climbing into—could see. into the high teens could see 18

orleegreee— into the high teens could see 18 or. degrees down— into the high teens could see 18 or degrees down the or 19 degrees down towards the eowen—eoee. — or 19 degrees down towards the south—east. _in- south—east. 19 is 66. in fahrenheit— south—east. 19 is 66. in fahrenheit ,_ south—east. 19 is 66. in fahrenheit, but quite chilly up eoworee— fahrenheit, but quite chilly up eoworee-eor— fahrenheit, but quite chilly up towards far north—east and towards the far north—east and owernrgne— towards the far north—east and overnight-into- towards the far north—east and overnight into tuesday , overnight monday into tuesday, eonere— overnight monday into tuesday, showers continue _ overnight monday into tuesday, showers continue across those norenern — showers continue across those norenern one — showers continue across those northern and far— showers continue across those northern and far eastern areas. ewe— northern and far eastern areas. ewe-eoworee— northern and far eastern areas. but-towards the- northern and far eastern areas. but towards the west, with but out towards the west, with nrgn— but out towards the west, with nrgn nreeewre— but out towards the west, with high pressure-to- but out towards the west, with high pressure to build high pressure starting to build in, high pressure starting to build rn—nroewre.- in, it's a quieter picture. rnere-rr— in, it's a quieter picture.- there'll_spells there'll be some clear spells one— there'll be some clear spells one ogorn— there'll be some clear spells one ogorn-o- there'll be some clear spells and again, a little bit and again, turning a little bit enrew— and again, turning a little biti enrew—ewe chilly in some rural spots. but on-wnore.— chilly in some rural spots. but on whole, temperatures on the whole, just temperatures are on the whole, just temperatures ore-eowerng— on the whole, just temperatures ore-eowerng onw— on the whole, just temperatures are causing any issues in are not causing any issues in no— are not causing any issues in no rweeeow— are not causing any issues in into tuesday itself, 1 or 2 eonere— into tuesday itself, 1 or 2 showers are _ into tuesday itself, 1 or 2 showers are still possible ene— showers are still possible across the far— showers are still possible across the far north and across ene— across the far north and across eee-eoee— across the far north and across eneleoee oe— across the far north and across the-east of the _ across the far north and across the east of the uk, but the far east of the uk, but ereewnere. — the far east of the uk, but elsewhere,-a- the far east of the uk, but elsewhere, a pretty good elsewhere, it's a pretty good day,— elsewhere, it's a pretty good eow-wren- day, actually, with high- pressure-dominating pressure generally dominating eoee— pressure generally dominating roee—orowne- pressure generally dominating lots around patchy lots of sunshine around patchy orowe— lots of sunshine around patchy orowe rn— lots of sunshine around patchy cloud in places.— lots of sunshine around patchy cloud in places. but on the wnoe— cloud in places. but on the wnore. o— cloud in places. but on the whole, a pretty— cloud in places. but on the whole, a pretty decent day and eenoeroewree— whole, a pretty decent day and temperatures once climbing temperatures once again climbing into temperatures once again climbing rneo—eeene- temperatures once again climbing rneo—eeene rn- into the mid to high teens in procee— into the mid to high teens in proeee ewe— into the mid to high teens in places but still— into the mid to high teens in places but still quite chilly up eoworee— places but still quite chilly up eoworee-eor— places but still quite chilly up towards far north—east of towards the far north—east of sooerone— towards the far north—east of scotland where _ towards the far north—east of scotland where temperatures will eerwggre — scotland where temperatures will eerwggre—gooe- struggle here. a pretty good oonererone— struggle here. a pretty good conditions-on- struggle here. a pretty good conditions on wednesday, conditions still on wednesday, but conditions still on wednesday, ewe—eee- conditions still on wednesday, ewe—eee eonei conditions still on wednesday, but moving see some conditions still on wednesday, but moving in see some conditions still on wednesday, but moving in from see some conditions still on wednesday, but moving in from the some rain moving in from the southwest— rain moving in from the southwest turning windier southwest and turning windier eron—roeer from the southwest, too. later enre— from the southwest, too. later enre-seore— from the southwest, too. later this-start the - 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6:00. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. the government is planning an extra evacuation flight from sudan tomorrow for british nationals trying to leave the country. it will depart from the eastern city of port sudan, where earlier the first shipment of humanitarian aid arrived. those hoping to leave the country are being told to get to the international airport there before midday. british navy ships have also docked in port sudan to support evacuation efforts. however the rsf paramilitary force says it will extend the truce for a further 72 hours from midnight tonight, although gunfire has been heard in khartoum today, undermining the current ceasefire . the nurses union has ceasefire. the nurses union has relaxed its strike rules to ensure critical services will still operate during a 28 hour walkout, which starts at 8 pm. nhs england says discussions with the royal college of nursing have resulted in an agreement for minimum staffing levels to be provided to cover life and limb services after