cheaper than everybody else. your thoughts on that and have you seen the nice adverts trying to lure our medical staff over from the uk to australia .7 sounds from the uk to australia? sounds quite good actually. i was considering it myself, but what do you make to that? do you think that if people are training country to help training in this country to help the health of this country , that the health of this country, that actually they should head off to the sunshine? that ethical of the sunshine? is that ethical of australia trying take australia to be trying to take our staff and ceos? do you think

they've paid enough? apparently one of the heads of the ftse 100 says we're not paying them enough to attract the very top talent to those companies and i want to end by asking you a simple question. are you proud to be british? i've got it all coming up. but before we get into it all, let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest headlines . good evening. the top story on . good evening. the top story on ea news— . good evening. the top story on ea news news— - good evening. the top story on gb news news tonight.— good evening. the top story on gb news news tonight. members of alright— gb news news tonight. members of alright mama— gb news news tonight. members of a.right militia-have- a far right militia group have been— a far right militia group have been convicted— a far right militia group have been convicted of plotting the attack— been convicted of plotting the attack on— been convicted of plotting the attack on the— been convicted of plotting the attack on the us— been convicted of plotting the attack on the us capitol building— attack on the us capitol building .— attack on the us capitol building . donald trump

building. donald trump supporters— building. donald trump supporters stormed the building in january— supporters stormed the building aa january 2021,— supporters stormed the building in january 2021, trying to block congress— in january 2021, trying to block congress from — in january 2021, trying to block congress from formalising joe baden— congress from formalising joe aaaea as— congress from formalising joe biden as president after winning the ataattaa— biden as president after winning the eteattaa ,— biden as president after winning the election , four— biden as president after winning the election , four members of the election, four members of the— the election, four members of the trout— the election, four members of the proud boys— the election, four members of the proud boys group, including tamer— the proud boys group, including tamer great— the proud boys group, including former group leader enrique tatte— former group leader enrique tattte ,— former group leader enrique tawte , wee— former group leader enrique tarrio , were found guilty of tarrio, were found guilty of eettttawe— tarrio, were found guilty of seditious conspiracy. five peepte— seditious conspiracy. five people, including a police attteet— people, including a police attteet ,— people, including a police officer, died— people, including a police officer , died during or shortly officer, died during or shortly atte— officer, died during or shortly attet twe— officer, died during or shortly after the riot,— officer, died during or shortly after the riot, and more than two— after the riot, and more than we pettee— after the riot, and more than 140 police officers were injured . weaawttte,— 140 police officers were injured . meanwhile, donald trump has cut . meanwhile, donald trump has eat stat— . meanwhile, donald trump has eat that tate— . meanwhile, donald trump has cut short his visit— . meanwhile, donald trump has cut short his visit to ireland , cut short his visit to ireland, eawtae— cut short his visit to ireland, eawtag tee-e— cut short his visit to ireland, saying he's going back to new vett— saying he's going back to new vow to— saying he's going back to new york to confront— saying he's going back to new york to confront his accuser in a etwt— york to confront his accuser in a etwt tape— york to confront his accuser in a civil rape case.— york to confront his accuser in a civil rape case. the former us weetteat— a civil rape case. the former us weetteat teet— a civil rape case. the former us president took off— a civil rape case. the former us president took off on a flight trem— president took off on a flight from shannon— president took off on a flight from shannon airport just over tatt— from shannon airport just over eat an— from shannon airport just over eat an taw— from shannon airport just over half an hour ago.— from shannon airport just over half an hour ago. he'd been wattag— half an hour ago. he'd been wetttag tate— half an hour ago. he'd been visiting his golf— half an hour ago. he'd been visiting his golf courses in the country— visiting his golf courses in the country .— visiting his golf courses in the country . wee— visiting his golf courses in the country . he's described the case country. he's described the case as a aetttteat— country. he's described the case as a political attack and says wett— as a political attack and says te-tt watattw— as a political attack and says he'll probably attend the hearing— he'll probably attend the teatag .— he'll probably attend the hearing . he's- he'll probably attend the hearing . he's been accused of hearing. he's been accused of wattag— hearing. he's been accused of taptag a— hearing. he's been accused of taptag a tamer— hearing. he's been accused of raping a former magazine eetwmatet— raping a former magazine columnist in— raping a former magazine columnist in 1996, which he teatee— columnist in 1996, which he teatee .— columnist in 1996, which he teatee. wee— columnist in 1996, which he denies. he's now a man arrested tettewtae— denies. he's now a man arrested tattewtae aa— denies. he's now a man arrested following an incident at

buckingham _ following an incident at buckingham palace has been tetataet— buckingham palace has been detained under— buckingham palace has been detained under the mental health act. detained under the mental health wet. the— detained under the mental health wet. the se— detained under the mental health wet. the 59 year— detained under the mental health act. the 59 year old threw ewepeetet— act. the 59 year old threw suspected shotgun cartridges tate— suspected shotgun cartridges tate tte — suspected shotgun cartridges into the grounds of buckingham tataee— into the grounds of buckingham tataee ea— into the grounds of buckingham palace on tuesday . a controlled palace on tuesday. a controlled expteetea— palace on tuesday. a controlled eapteetea wa— palace on tuesday. a controlled explosion was also— palace on tuesday. a controlled explosion was also carried out on explosion was also carried out an tate— explosion was also carried out on his rucksack— explosion was also carried out on his rucksack after he warned pettee— on his rucksack after he warned pettee te— on his rucksack after he warned police to handle— on his rucksack after he warned police to handle the bag eatetwttw— police to handle the bag eatetwttw .— police to handle the bag carefully . arnie. he's been carefully. arnie. he's been taken— carefully. arnie. he's been taken to— carefully. arnie. he's been taken to hospital where he'll remain on bail— taken to hospital where he'll remain on bail while receiving metteat— remain on bail while receiving medical attention . the prince medical attention. the prince ant— medical attention. the prince and princess— medical attention. the prince and princess of— medical attention. the prince and princess of wales have been wattag— and princess of wales have been wetttag twe— and princess of wales have been wetttag the wee— and princess of wales have been visiting the dog and duck pub in tentat— visiting the dog and duck pub in central london— visiting the dog and duck pub in central london today ahead of the coronation— central london today ahead of the coronation when large crowds tweet— the coronation when large crowds tweet ap— the coronation when large crowds tweet up ta— the coronation when large crowds turned up in soho— the coronation when large crowds turned up in soho to catch a gttmpee— turned up in soho to catch a gttmpee et— turned up in soho to catch a gttmpee at the— turned up in soho to catch a glimpse of the royal couple. thev've— glimpse of the royal couple. they've teen— glimpse of the royal couple. they've been in— glimpse of the royal couple. they've been in the area to hear taw— they've been in the area to hear tow the— they've been in the area to hear how the hospitality— they've been in the area to hear how the hospitality industry is preparing— how the hospitality industry is wepatag tet— how the hospitality industry is preparing for the— how the hospitality industry is preparing for the big event and to get— preparing for the big event and to get there,— preparing for the big event and to get there, the— preparing for the big event and to get there, the pair travelled on to get there, the pair travelled an the— to get there, the pair travelled an the tate— to get there, the pair travelled on the tube, taking the elizabeth _ on the tube, taking the elizabeth line for the very wet— elizabeth line for the very tttet twee.— elizabeth line for the very first time. they chatted away to transport— first time. they chatted away to transport tet— first time. they chatted away to transport for london workers atewt— transport for london workers atewt theta— transport for london workers about their plans for the busy tant— about their plans for the busy taat tetttaw— about their plans for the busy bank holiday, but a fly—past to eetetwate— bank holiday, but a fly—past to celebrate the— bank holiday, but a fly—past to celebrate the coronation could be eaaeettet— celebrate the coronation could be cancelled due— celebrate the coronation could be cancelled due to bad weather. the— be cancelled due to bad weather. the wtatetw— be cancelled due to bad weather. the wtatetw at— be cancelled due to bad weather. the ministry of defence has anet— the ministry of defence has

wanet tt— the ministry of defence has warned it could— the ministry of defence has warned it could hamper the atttttw— warned it could hamper the atttttw et— warned it could hamper the ability of pilots— warned it could hamper the ability of pilots to fly safely . forecasters— ability of pilots to fly safely . forecasters expect london to be away— . forecasters expect london to te etewtw ant— . forecasters expect london to be cloudy and wet on saturday, wttn— be cloudy and wet on saturday, with rainfall— be cloudy and wet on saturday, with rainfall forecast around twnenttne— with rainfall forecast around tanenttne .— with rainfall forecast around lunchtime . more than 60 aircraft lunchtime. more than 60 aircraft tren— lunchtime. more than 60 aircraft teen tne— lunchtime. more than 60 aircraft teen tne royal— lunchtime. more than 60 aircraft from the royal navy , the british from the royal navy, the british amy,— from the royal navy, the british amy, tne— from the royal navy, the british army, tne royal— from the royal navy, the british army, the royal air force , army, the royal air force, tnetwttng— army, the royal air force, including the _ army, the royal air force, including the red arrows, are eenetwtet— including the red arrows, are scheduled to— including the red arrows, are scheduled to fly— including the red arrows, are scheduled to fly over the mall. ant— scheduled to fly over the mall. and buckingham— scheduled to fly over the mall. and buckingham palace at 215 . and buckingham palace at 215. wow— and buckingham palace at 215. new earne— and buckingham palace at 215. new eat— and buckingham palace at 215. now some sad news. a local eteettan— now some sad news. a local election vote— now some sad news. a local election vote has— now some sad news. a local election vote has been suspended tettewtne— election vote has been suspended tattewtne tne — election vote has been suspended following the death of a candidate— following the death of a candidate conservative eeanettten— candidate conservative councillor graham golton was nanntng— councillor graham golton was nanntng ten— councillor graham golton was running for the— councillor graham golton was running for the coxford ward in sewtnannten. — running for the coxford ward in southampton. he— running for the coxford ward in southampton. he died today after eewtne— southampton. he died today after eewtng taw— southampton. he died today after serving four years— southampton. he died today after serving four years as a eewnettten— serving four years as a councillor. all the polling etattene— councillor. all the polling stations in— councillor. all the polling stations in the— councillor. all the polling stations in the coxford ward are tweet.— stations in the coxford ward are now closed. another election is ntannet— now closed. another election is ntannet ten— now closed. another election is planned for within— now closed. another election is planned for within 35 days, but eteewnene— planned for within 35 days, but elsewhere across— planned for within 35 days, but elsewhere across the country, wetne— elsewhere across the country, voting continues,— elsewhere across the country, voting continues, with polls eteetng— voting continues, with polls eteetng at— voting continues, with polls closing at 11:00— voting continues, with polls closing at 11:00 tonight. around 8000— closing at 11:00 tonight. around 8000 seate— closing at 11:00 tonight. around 8000 seats across— closing at 11:00 tonight. around 8000 seats across 230. local awtnenttee— 8000 seats across 230. local authorities in— 8000 seats across 230. local authorities in england are up for authorities in england are up ten grate.— authorities in england are up for grabs. the— authorities in england are up for grabs. the results will be announced tomorrow. full age ter— announced tomorrow. full coverage for you right here, gb

wewe. — coverage for you right here, gb news. ukraine's— coverage for you right here, gb news. ukraine's president vetetwnw— news. ukraine's president volodymyr zelenskyy says vtattntr— volodymyr zelenskyy says vladimir putin _ volodymyr zelenskyy says vladimir putin must be brought to taste— vladimir putin must be brought to twettee tar— vladimir putin must be brought to justice for the— vladimir putin must be brought to justice for the war in his country.— to justice for the war in his eeantrw ne— to justice for the war in his country. he made the comments twrtng— country. he made the comments twrtng a— country. he made the comments during a meeting— country. he made the comments during a meeting at the hague wnere— during a meeting at the hague wnere tne— during a meeting at the hague where the international criminal cann— where the international criminal cawrt te— where the international criminal cawrt te tweet.— where the international criminal court is based. it— where the international criminal court is based. it comes after wtratne— court is based. it comes after ukraine said— court is based. it comes after ukraine said it— court is based. it comes after ukraine said it shot down 18 out of ukraine said it shot down 18 out at ze— ukraine said it shot down 18 out at ze trnee— ukraine said it shot down 18 out of 24 drones in— ukraine said it shot down 18 out of 24 drones in an— ukraine said it shot down 18 out of 24 drones in an overnight attaet— of 24 drones in an overnight attaet .— of 24 drones in an overnight attaet . tne— of 24 drones in an overnight attack . the bombardment followed attack. the bombardment followed attack. the bombardment followed a etrtte— attack. the bombardment followed a etrtte tn— attack. the bombardment followed a etrtte an tne— attack. the bombardment followed a strike on the kremlin, with waeeaw— a strike on the kremlin, with moscow having _ a strike on the kremlin, with moscow having accused kyiv of twtng— moscow having accused kyiv of twtng ta— moscow having accused kyiv of trying to assassinate president twttn. — trying to assassinate president twttn. ot— trying to assassinate president putin. of course,— trying to assassinate president putin. (tit. trying to assassinate president putin. f trying to assassinate president putin. (tit. trying to assassinate president putin. £1. putin. of course, we all want to see different about vladimir . see different about vladimir. here in the hague . the one who here in the hague. the one who deserves to be sentenced for these criminal actions is right here in the capital of the international law and i am sure we will see that happen when we win . and we will win.

we will see that happen when we win . and we will win . volodymyr win. and we will win. volodymyr zetenetw— win. and we will win. volodymyr zelenskyy speaking— 1“ ' t: a " volodymyr zelenskyy speaking there 1“ '1“t: a 1“ volodymyr zelenskyy speaking there . now, zelenskyy speaking there. now, trawettere— zelenskyy speaking there. now, travellers from _ zelenskyy speaking there. now, travellers from heathrow airport are travellers from heathrow airport taetng — travellers from heathrow airport are facing disruption today as wett— are facing disruption today as wett ae— are facing disruption today as wett ae tang— are facing disruption today as well as long delays as security gaarte— well as long delays as security gaarte tate— well as long delays as security guards take further industrial aettan— guards take further industrial aettan tn.— guards take further industrial action in. that's— guards take further industrial action in. that's after last ntnwte— action in. that's after last minute talks— action in. that's after last minute talks over a pay dispute tattet— minute talks over a pay dispute failed yesterday— minute talks over a pay dispute failed yesterday ._ minute talks over a pay dispute failed yesterday . 1400 unite failed yesterday. 1400 unite untan— failed yesterday. 1400 unite union members— failed yesterday. 1400 unite union members have started a tree— union members have started a tnree taw— union members have started a three day walkout— union members have started a three day walkout as part of an etgnt— three day walkout as part of an etgnt taw— three day walkout as part of an eight day program of strikes tnrawgnaat— eight day program of strikes throughout the— eight day program of strikes throughout the month of may. and taettw— throughout the month of may. and taettw .— throughout the month of may. and taettw . antnat— throughout the month of may. and lastly , animal experts are lastly, animal experts are naatng— lastly, animal experts are hoping they— lastly, animal experts are hoping they can remove the carcase of a 55— hoping they can remove the carcase of a 55 foot whale from a neat— carcase of a 55 foot whale from a teaen tn— carcase of a 55 foot whale from a beach in yorkshire. the 30 tanne— a beach in yorkshire. the 30 tonne mammal— a beach in yorkshire. the 30 tonne mammal was spotted getting into difficulties— tonne mammal was spotted getting into difficulties in— tonne mammal was spotted getting into difficulties in the sea at nrttttngtan— into difficulties in the sea at bridlington early this week. it ttet— bridlington early this week. it ttet an— bridlington early this week. it died on tuesday. _ bridlington early this week. it died on tuesday. a huge aaerattan— died on tuesday. a huge operation now- died on tuesday. a huge operation now taking place and tne— operation now taking place and tne neat— operation now taking place and over the next couple of days it wtt— over the next couple of days it wttt tnetwte— over the next couple of days it will include road— over the next couple of days it will include road closures in tne— will include road closures in tne taeat— will include road closures in the local area— will include road closures in the local area ._ will include road closures in the local area . but it's hoped the local area. but it's hoped tne— the local area. but it's hoped tne tatt— the local area. but it's hoped tne body can— the local area. but it's hoped the body can removed from the teat— the body can removed from the teat wnate— the body can removed from the beach whole without the need to tamper— beach whole without the need to tamper wttn— beach whole without the need to tamper wttn tt— beach whole without the need to tamper wttn tt .— beach whole without the need to tamper with it . that's the tamper with it. that's the tateet— tamper with it. that's the latest from _ tamper with it. that's the latest from gb - tamper with it. that's the latest from gb news. more news as tt— latest from gb news. more news ae t naaaene.— latest from gb news. more news as it happens. back now to dewbs & as it happens. back now to dewbs a ca—

as it happens. back now to dewbs a ca .— as it happens. back now to dewbs a ca . tnante— as it happens. back now to dewbs & co . thanks for— as it happens. back now to dewbs & co . thanks for that, ella & co. thanks for that, ella wnetan.— & co. thanks for that, ella wnetan. — & co. thanks for that, ella whelan. michelle- & co. thanks for that, ella whelan. m” t & co. thanks for that, ella- whelan. michelle dewberry. and i'm keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, daniel moylan is a conservative peer in the house of lords , and aaron bastani is of lords, and aaron bastani is the founder of novara media. welcome gentlemen, to this beautiful location . again, the beautiful location. again, the sun is shining, very happy beautiful location. again, the sun is shining , very happy that sun is shining, very happy that it's stood he stood that whole week. now there's been some no rain, so fingers crossed it continues as well. for tomorrow, you can in touch with me you can get in touch with me tonight all usual ways. tonight in all the usual ways. vaiews@gbnews.uk is my email address. or you can tweet me at gb news or at michelle dewberry. now now, given that we are indeed outside of buckingham palace, one of the most recognisable tourist spots in the uk , it did indeed get me the uk, it did indeed get me starting to think about tourism. lots of cheering, by the way, going on. i wonder if that's just because they've realised dewbs& co has gone live and they're so happy. anyway. it's they're so happy. anyway. it's the tourists that you can hear and there's something called the

so—called tourist tax, isn't there? which basically means well , the height of excitement. well, the height of excitement. they're coming from behind us. yes it basically means that people and visitors to the uk from non—eu eu countries could recover vat on their purchases here. now, you might be familiar with the fact that the government scraps that measure apparently reckons that that was going to save us £2 billion a yeah going to save us £2 billion a year. daniel moylan, i shall start with you . this whole vat start with you. this whole vat free shopping, do you think that that should be available to shoppers over overseas shoppers or not? yeah, two points to make about it. first of all, i think it about it. first of all, i think tt etaatt— about it. first of all, i think it should, because- c first of all, i think it should, because the people wna— it should, because the people wna teet— it should, because the people wna aeet ta— it should, because the people who used to come and buy that stutt— who used to come and buy that etwtt taw— who used to come and buy that stuff duty free _ who used to come and buy that stuff duty free from abroad, attnawgn— stuff duty free from abroad, attnawgn tnew— stuff duty free from abroad, although they got a subsidy in terms— although they got a subsidy in terms at— although they got a subsidy in terms at tax. — although they got a subsidy in terms of tax, it's— although they got a subsidy in terms of tax, it's because they expantng— terms of tax, it's because they were exporting it— terms of tax, it's because they were exporting it from this eawntrw— were exporting it from this eawntrw ant— were exporting it from this country. and that's how vat is meant— country. and that's how vat is meant-wart.— country. and that's how vat is meant-work. and- country. and that's how vat is meant work. and when they meant to work. and when they tnew— meant to work. and when they come, they spend— meant to work. and when they come, they spend a fortune. wewatw— come, they spend a fortune. wewatw tn— come, they spend a fortune. usually in hotels, restaurants , usually in hotels, restaurants, going— usually in hotels, restaurants, gatng ta— usually in hotels, restaurants, gatng ta tne— usually in hotels, restaurants, going to the theatre, things tte— going to the theatre, things tre-sa— going to the theatre, things like-so great- going to the theatre, things like so great support like that. so great support for the like that. so great support for tne eeanarnw— like that. so great support fori

the economy._point the economy. the second point i'd the economy. the second point t-t mate— the economy. the second point i'd make rather— the economy. the second point i'd make rather abstruse is i've got i'd make rather abstruse is i've gat ta— i'd make rather abstruse is i've gat ta nenttan— i'd make rather abstruse is i've got to mention the— i'd make rather abstruse is i've got to mention the people of wannern— got to mention the people of northern_people| got to mention the people of. northern—people of northern ireland, the people of wartnern— northern ireland, the people of northern ireland— northern ireland, the people of northern ireland can no longer get taw— northern ireland can no longer get twtw tree— northern ireland can no longer get duty free shopping when tnew-re— get duty free shopping when they're travelling the they're travelling into the twranean— they're travelling into the european union, but they don't getlwnen— european union, but they don't getlwhen they're— european union, but they don't get when they're travelling get it when they're travelling out get it when they're travelling ant at— get it when they're travelling ant at tne — get it when they're travelling out of the european union ettten— out of the european union either. they're— out of the european union either. they're both out of the european union- either. they're-both ways either. they're caught both ways teeaaee— either. they're caught both ways because-windsor- because of this windsor framework— because of this windsor framework northern ireland trataeat— framework northern ireland protocol under— framework northern ireland protocol under which they have to protocol under which they have ta twe— protocol under which they have to live under— protocol under which they have to live under eu— protocol under which they have to live under eu laws . so they to live under eu laws. so they neet— to live under eu laws. so they neet earttng— to live under eu laws. so they need sorting out— to live under eu laws. so they need sorting out as well because it's need sorting out as well because we nat— need sorting out as well because we nat tarr— need sorting out as well because we nat tatr an— need sorting out as well because it's not fair on them. arnie on wartnern— it's not fair on them. arnie on northern ireland,— it's not fair on them. arnie on northern ireland, it's a great natnt— northern ireland, it's a great aatnt tran— northern ireland, it's a great point from lord— northern ireland, it's a great point from lord moylan. i eanptete— point from lord moylan. i complete disagree,- point from lord moylan. i complete disagree, however, with the it. this costs the rest of it. this costs approximately £2 billion and i think for people watching out there, they would be taxed fundamental utterly to subsidise the tom ford shoes and the gucci handbag of chinese and american tourists coming here to london. they have to pay vat on those goods. if you buy a suit. and savile row was a british national, you have to vat. national, you have to pay vat. why somebody from why should somebody from shenzhen new york shenzhen or paris or new york not have to pay vat? we need to stimulate the economy. absolutely about that. absolutely no doubt about that. particularly london. if particularly in london. but if we're about

we're talking about a multi—billion pound subsidy, let's britain , let's start with britain, british nationals i think british nationals first. i think you firstly there's £2 you see firstly, there's £2 billion value that's been put on, it doesn't really wash on, so it doesn't really wash with i think the way with me because i think the way they're calculating that is by if get this 20% of all these if we get this 20% of all these purchases, that's the sum you come up with. but to me, it's nat— come up with. but to me, it's nat taetartng— come up with. but to me, it's not factoring-whole- come up with. but to me, it's. not factoring-whole point not factoring in the whole point tnat— not factoring in the whole point tnat aetwattw— not factoring in the whole point that actually-of - not factoring in the whole point that actually of these that actually some of these aeante— that actually some of these aeaate-taet- that actually some of these people just choose people will now just choose not to people will now just choose not ta parenaee— people will now just choose not to purchase those— people will now just choose not to purchase those goods. and you say,— to purchase those goods. and you saw wan— to purchase those goods. and you eaw you tnaw— to purchase those goods. and you say, you know, you're sitting say, you know, if you're sitting at—ta- say, you know, if you're sitting at—ta ttnt say, you know, if you're sitting. at—ta ttnt at at home and you want to kind of eatetttee— at home and you want to kind of subsidise someone— at home and you want to kind of subsidise someone tom subsidise someone else's tom tart— subsidise someone else's tom tart eaeen— subsidise someone else's tom ford shoes, whatever, that's tarr— ford shoes, whatever, that's tatr enawgn.— ford shoes, whatever, that's fair enough. what it is, fair enough. that's what it is, tnawgn.— fair enough. that's what it is, tnawgn.-twt— fair enough. that's what it is, though.-but-atl fair enough. that's what it is,- though.-but-at home though. yeah, but people at home ntgnt— though. yeah, but people at home ntgnt-tn— though. yeah, but people at home ntgnt-tn arne— though. yeah, but people at home might-in some of— though. yeah, but people at home might in some of those might work in some of those enane— might work in some of those shops—actuallyl shops instead. and actually ntgnt— shops instead. and actually might shoppers shops instead. and actually. might—shoppers to might need those shoppers to teen— might need those shoppers to teen wet— might need those shoppers to keep their shop— might need those shoppers to keep their shop jobs. i went keep their shop jobs. and i went to keep their shop jobs. and i went ta wtntear— keep their shop jobs. and i went ta wtntear at— keep their shop jobs. and i went to windsor at weekend, very to windsor at the weekend, very nuan— to windsor at the weekend, very naenltaartet— to windsor at the weekend, very much tourist place, if you're much a tourist place, if you're nat— much a tourist place, if you're nat-wttn— much a tourist place, if you're not-withiand- much a tourist place, if you'rej not-withiandeas not familiar with it. and i was ttawn— not familiar with it. and i was ttawn-tw— not familiar with it. and i was ttawn-tw tw— not familiar with it. and i was blown-by by how- not familiar with it. and i was blown by by how many empty blown away by by how many empty enane— blown away by by how many empty stage were— blown away by by how many empty shops there were _ blown away by by how many empty shops there were it— blown away by by how many empty shops there were it was unbelievable,- shops there were it was unbelievable, especially in this ttnt— unbelievable, especially in this ttnt at— unbelievable, especially in this ttnt at run— unbelievable, especially in this ttnt at an— unbelievable, especially in this kind of run up to— unbelievable, especially in this kind of run up to the coronation. - kind of run up to the coronation. i- kind of run up to the coronation. i would have thought tnat— coronation. i would have thought tnat at— coronation. i would have thought tnat at teaet— coronation. i would have thought that at least put— coronation. i would have thought that at least put pop ups now or eanetntng. — that at least put pop ups now or eanetntng. nat— that at least put pop ups now or something. but they're empty. wean. — something. but they're empty. wean. -atawt- something. but they're empty. i yeah. -about-people yeah. so what about the people wnaee—tnat- yeah. so what about the people. whose—that trade? whose jobs depend on that trade? so whose jobs depend on that trade? so really— whose jobs depend on that trade? so really great— whose jobs depend on that trade? so really great point— whose jobs depend on that trade? so really great point-and. so really great point again. and i think everybody watching this,

they the high street in they know the high street in this really big this country is in really big trouble. has been a very trouble. it has been for a very long time, particularly long time, but particularly since getting worse since covid, it's getting worse and worse. i think that's an argument to vat, argument for a cut to vat, frankly. and i think people watching who are small watching this who are small business thank business owners would say, thank god, in god, particularly in hospitality, poor hospitality, we've had such poor weather year. they weather so far this year. they would love a to vat. that's would love a cut to vat. that's the kind of policy i would want to implement we're talking to implement when we're talking about what i think, could about what i think, you could probably reduce it by say, i think, say six, 7% think, let's say six, six, 7% for the of this year, about for the rest of this year, about 17.5, it? not that long 17.5, didn't it? not that long aga. — 17.5, didn't it? not that long aga. tt— 17.5, didn't it? not that long aga. rt teete— 17.5, didn't it? not that long ago. it feels like— 17.5, didn't it? not that long ago. it feels like obe- l1; c q“. i’ not that long ago. it feels like obe 15. yeah. ant— ago. it feels like obe 15. yeah. ant twaet— ago. it feels like obe 15. yeah. and kwasi kwarteng. actually, aeante— and kwasi kwarteng. actually, aeaate ntgnt— and kwasi kwarteng. actually, people might familiar when he people might be familiar when he did people might be familiar when he ttt—weren-t- did the budget that weren't really— did the budget that weren'ti really _whatever did the budget that weren't- really _whatever we really a budget or whatever we eat— really a budget or whatever we eat-tate— really a budget or whatever we eatt-tawe ne- really a budget or whatever we call days, he actually call it, these days, he actually reversed—didn'tl reversed that measure, didn't nee— reversed that measure, didn't nee-mate— reversed that measure, didn't he?-made that. - reversed that measure, didn't he? made that. r; reversed that measure, didn't he? made that. ti; t: t: reversed that measure, didn't- he?-made that. he did. and he? so he made that. he did. and he? so he made that. he did. and he at— he? so he made that. he did. and he did it because it doesn't cost 2 billion at because cost 2 billion at all. because the amount of money these people spend not not on tom ford spend not not on the tom ford shoes, on the stuff where shoes, but on the stuff where they vat, on the they are paying vat, on the restaurants and the hotels because they can't that because they can't claim that back is all you're back on and so on. is all you're saying to them is and do this saying to them is go and do this in paris. go and spend all your money in paris or some other.

great. now, what i'm saying is i tan-t— great. now, what i'm saying is i tan-t ._ great. now, what i'm saying is i tan-t . tan-t— great. now, what i'm saying is i don't i don't all— great. now, what i'm saying is i don't i don't all that's- don't i don't all that's happening— don't i don't all that's happening as a result. what i'm eawtng— happening as a result. what i'm sayingll— happening as a result. what i'm sayingll tan-t— happening as a result. what i'm saying i don't understand saying is i don't understand wtw— saying is i don't understandi wtw—wnw why. i don't understand why anten— british taxpayers should subsidise _ subsidise the holiday of people tran— subsidise the holiday of people from overseas.— subsidise the holiday of people from overseas. well, of course, it from overseas. well, of course, ttlenenttng— from overseas. well, of course, ttleaenttng nwge— from overseas. well, of course, it spending huge amounts of it is spending huge amounts of nanew—tt- it is spending huge amounts of nanew—tt tt- it is spending huge amounts of money—if it costs. money here. and if it costs nothing, it's not a subsidy. well, nothing. well, it doesn't cost nothing. i would anything at all would it costs anything at all because that's a big statement, isn't it? the amount of money because that's a big statement, isn't icollectamount of money because that's a big statement, isn't icollect oniunt of money because that's a big statement, isn't icollect on the of money because that's a big statement, isn't icollect on the hotels, ey because that's a big statement, isn't icollect on the hotels, on you'd collect on the hotels, on the restaurants, the theatres the restaurants, on the theatres and those things and all of those things would way the to. i just think way exceed the to. i just think it's way exceed the to. i just think we attent— way exceed the to. i just think it's utterly daft— way exceed the to. i just think it's utterly daft that- tz;,a

they about is when they they think about is when they look at taxes, all they think aboutis look at taxes, all they think about is the effect on tax revenues for them, if you like, from their narrow vision, they never think about the effect on the economy and their models don't include the effect on don't even include the effect on the economy. that's one of the reasons have such high taxes reasons we have such high taxes and no growth because they're in the mindset altogether for the wrong mindset altogether for the wrong mindset altogether for the economy can get benefits from exactly this sort of measure. people get jobs and the revenue can actually end up getting higher income. but their models don't take account of that. that's where the 2 billion comes from. dodgy models. i agree with you. so let's do ttat— agree with you. so let's do that. starting— agree with you. so let's do that. starting with british nattanate— that. starting with british nationals. let's cut vat for aeante— nationals. let's cut vat for aeaate-eawntrw- nationals. let's cut vat fori people-countrylbe people in this country to be atte— people in this country to be able -cheaper- people in this country to be able cheaper goods and able to buy cheaper goods and eerwteee— able to buy cheaper goods and eerweee-gwe— able to buy cheaper goods and services.-give.to- services. why give it to tawrtete— services. why give it to tourists ?_ services. why give it to tourists ? it's- services. why give it to tourists ? it's so if tourists? it's crazy. so if wan-re— tourists? it's crazy. so if you're mindset, tourists? it's crazy. so if- you're-mindset, then you're in that mindset, then extraaatattng— you're in that mindset, then extrapolating out, are you extrapolating this out, are you in extrapolating this out, are you tn tne— extrapolating this out, are you in the mindset— extrapolating this out, are you in the mindset of— extrapolating this out, are you in the mindset of labor party? t hey— in the mindset of labor party? they get— in the mindset of labor party? they get elected— in the mindset of labor party? they get elected ,_ in the mindset of labor party? they get elected , they're- in the mindset of labor party? they get elected , they're going they get elected, they're going to put vat on to things like private school fees . would you private school fees. would you be against that ? i think be against that? i think fundamental that private schools are their private enterprises. and i think instinctively, again

.tnew— and i think instinctively, again . tnew enawtt— and i think instinctively, again , they should probably have to pay— , they should probably have to pay-but— , they should probably have to pay-but-i_ , they should probably have to pay-but-i-savl , they should probably have to. paw-tat-t-eaw te pay vat, but what i would say is not pay vat, but what i would say is nat nrtwate— pay vat, but what i would say is not private enterprises . not private enterprises. most of then — not private enterprises. most of then are— not private enterprises. most of them are charities . well,- not private enterprises. £1“? well, this them are charities. well, this is what that's— them are charities. well, this is what that's what's- £“5 e well, this is what that's what's being eanteetet— is what that's what's being contested fundamentally. but wnat— contested fundamentally. but wnat-eaw— contested fundamentally. but wnat-eaw te- contested fundamentally. but what-say is and- contested fundamentally. but what say is and this is what i would say is and this is a reat— what i would say is and this is a real-actually,- what i would say is and this is a real-actually, i- what i would say is and this is a real actually, i think a real worry actually, i think i tan-t— a real worry actually, i think i tan-t tnaw— a real worry actually, i think i don't know if— a real worry actually, i think i don't know if labour really don't know if labour have really eaetet— don't know if labour have really eaetet rt.— don't know if labour have really eaetet tt. ._ don't know if labour have really costed it. i do— don't know if labour have really costed it. i do support them nawng— costed it. i do support them nawnglaaw— costed it. i do support them having-pay vat- - costed it. i do support them having pay vat. however where having to pay vat. however where wan-we — having to pay vat. however where wan-we gat— having to pay vat. however where wan-we gat ta— having to pay vat. however where wan-we gat we at— having to pay vat. however where you've got 7% of going you've got 7% of kids going to nrtwate— you've got 7% of kids going to private-clearly- you've got 7% of kids going to private-clearly a- you've got 7% of kids going to private clearly a 20% private schools, clearly a 20% tn— private schools, clearly a 20% increase in fees— private schools, clearly a 20% increase in fees is— private schools, clearly a 20% increase in fees is going to mate— increase in fees is going to make-differencej increase in fees is going to. make-difference to make a massive difference to many—gatngl many people. they're going to wttntraw— many people. they're going to withdraw _from - withdraw those kids from eenaate. — withdraw those kids from eenaate. ._ withdraw those kids from schools. i think it will aratattw— schools. i think it will probably raise money schools. i think it will- probably raise - money than probably raise less money than tatawr— probably raise less money than tatawrleawtng— probably raise less money than labour saying. you have probably raise less money than labrissue saying. you have probably raise less money than labrissue thenig. you have probably raise less money than labrissue then of you have probably raise less money than labrissue then of those )u have probably raise less money than labrissue then of those kidsive the issue then of those kids going— the issue then of those kids gatng tnta— the issue then of those kids going into - state - the issue then of those kids going into state system and going into the state system and eaettng— going into the state system and eaettng rnare— going into the state system and costing more-so- going into the state system and. costing more-so-could costing more money. so you could ent— costing more money. so you could ent wn— costing more money. so you could ent unla— costing more money. so you could end upla situation— costing more money. so you could end up a situation where it's end up in a situation where it's revenue negative.— end up in a situation where it's revenue negative. think revenue negative. so i think tnat-e— revenue negative. so i think that's-different- that's a very different situation— that's a very different situation this. i'm that's a very different- situation-this. i'm saying situation with this. i'm saying r-just_ situation with this. i'm saying .-twet twentng- situation with this. i'm saying , just pushing you , no, i was just pushing you because— , no, i was just pushing you. teeawee—tet-e because you were saying, let's etaen— because you were saying, let's etaen var— because you were saying, let's slash vat and— because you were saying, let's slash vat and all— because you were saying, let's slash vat and all of slash vat and all the rest of it. slash vat and all the rest of t. -a— slash vat and all the rest of tt-a really- it. no, it's a really interesting- it. no, it's a really interesting debate. so instinctively- interesting debate. so instinctively i think they enawtt. — instinctively i think they should. but— instinctively i think they should. but i— instinctively i think they should. but i think it could go very—sa- should. but i think it could go wen—sa-werwi very badly wrong. so i'm very agen— very badly wrong. so i'm very agen-annaette- very badly wrong. so i'm very open opposite side of the open to the opposite side of the tetate— open to the opposite side of the tetate wttn— open to the opposite side of the debate with regards to that. but on debate with regards to that. but an-tt— debate with regards to that. but an-tt were— debate with regards to that. but an-tt were-a- debate with regards to that. but on-if we're-a multii on this, if we're giving a multi tttttan— on this, if we're giving a multi billion-stimulus- on this, if we're giving a multi billion stimulus to the billion pound stimulus to the ntgn—tntntl high street, which i think we want.— high street, which i think we should, let's— high street, which i think we should, let's start with

consumers _ should, let's start with consumers living working should, let's start with- consumers living-working in should, let's start with- con ukiers living-working in should, let's start with con ukiers livthan working in should, let's start with con ukiers livthan tourists. 1 in the uk rather than tourists. ant— the uk rather than tourists. ant ta— the uk rather than tourists. ant to you— the uk rather than tourists. and do you think— the uk rather than tourists. and do you think when- the uk rather than tourists. and do you think when you have this conversation and actually because there's a big campaign in one of the newspapers now, a lot of business owners, a lot of the kind of airport bosses, they're getting in and they're all getting in touch and supporting campaign. yeah. supporting this campaign. yeah. do actually this do you think that actually this is a nod to the fact that actually kwasi kwarteng tang with whatever? with his budget or whatever? what did he it? what did he call it? like a statement? a budget or statement? it wasn't a budget or whatever, fiscal event, whatever, a fiscal event, a fiscal knew was fiscal event knew it was definitely that the new word. but think this is but do you think that's this is like nudge to perhaps like another nudge to perhaps say that he was right his say that he was right in his thinking? well, this campaign etanet— thinking? well, this campaign started before— thinking? well, this campaign started before kwasi- “g? well, this campaign started before kwasi kwarteng ant— started before kwasi kwartengi ant—reeaanttng started before kwasi kwarteng- and_responding to and the way he was responding to it, and the way he was responding to n.-t— and the way he was responding to tt-t wa— and the way he was responding to tt-t ._ and the way he was responding to tt-t . wae— it, it started i was i was argwtng— it, it started i was i was argwtng tnte— it, it started i was i was arguing this well kwasi arguing this well before kwasi teame— arguing this well before kwasi became chancellor the became chancellor of the trenegwer. — became chancellor of the exchequer. so _ became chancellor of the exchequer. so campaign exchequer. so the campaign etanet.— exchequer. so the campaign started-really- exchequer. so the campaign started. really getting started. but it's really getting traettan— started. but it's really getting traction - because - started. but it's really getting traction because economy started. but it's really getting trc'flatlining because economy started. but it's really getting trc'flatlining bec people economy is flatlining and people are teettng— is flatlining and people are. feeling—flatlining feeling that and it's flatlining teeaaee— feeling that and it's flatlining because government's chosen because the government's chosen a—tnat-e- because the government's chosen a—tnat-e etnntel a high tax policy that's simple as a high tax policy that's simple ae tnat. — a high tax policy that's simple ae tnat. ant— a high tax policy that's simple as that. and do— a high tax policy that's simple as that. and do you support that ntgn— as that. and do you support that ntgn-nattew— as that. and do you support that ntgn-nattewe — as that. and do you support that high-policy? he's- as that. and do you support that high policy? 2; “g high tax policy? he's saying that we've one. do you think that we've got one. do you think that's would you that's the right or would you have higher still? no, have it even higher still? no, i think single thing we think the single best thing we can do right now and shocked

can do right now and i'm shocked that government hasn't done that the government hasn't done it last 18 months is to it in the last 18 months is to cut vat good for small businesses, good for the consumer as well. can't consumer also as well. i can't help about business help but think about business rates thinking about rates when i'm thinking about vat and thinking vat and i'm thinking about enticing shoppers and i'm thinking of thinking about the amount of closed shop. honestly, i was shocked when i saw windsor because, the because, you know, it is the queen. she thinks everything because, you know, it is the queen. ofie thinks everything because, you know, it is the queen. of freshiks everything because, you know, it is the queen. of fresh pin.verything because, you know, it is the queen. of fresh pin. everyone smells of fresh pin. everyone does right before smells of fresh pin. everyone does literally, right before smells of fresh pin. everyone does literally, i right before smells of fresh pin. everyone does literally, i wast before smells of fresh pin. everyone does literally, i was there re that, literally, i was there at the weekend and i could not believe the state of one of their primary high so their primary high streets. so many empty shops there. bunting from looked like it was about from it looked like it was about two old. was all faded two years old. it was all faded . was an absolute mess. and . it was an absolute mess. and i thought, aren't you trying thought, why aren't you trying to that? doing to stimulate that? doing pop ups? said, cutting these ups? as i said, cutting these business but no one seems business rates, but no one seems to be able to tackle the whole business thing properly business rate thing properly anyway. business really anyway. business rates is really tntereettng— interesting because i live in tartenaatn— interesting because i live in portsmouth-i- interesting because i live in portsmouth i often go into portsmouth and i often go into twetneeeee— portsmouth and i often go into businesses which— portsmouth and i often go into businesses which are doing really— businesses which are doing really wett. — businesses which are doing really well. i— businesses which are doing really well. i probably shouldn't— really well. i probably shouldn't and really well. i probably- shouldn't-and they're shouldn't say this and they're tatng— shouldn't say this and they're tang—ant- shouldn't say this and they're tatng—antleawl shouldn't say this and they'rei doing—andlsay, do doing super well and i say, do you— doing super well and i say, do wan-twetneee— doing super well and i say, do you business rates? well, we you pay business rates? well, we tan-t— you pay business rates? well, we tan-t nave— you pay business rates? well, we don't have-business- don't have to pay business ratee — don't have to pay business rates. -thinking,. don't have to pay business rates. thinking, well, rates. and i'm thinking, well, wan-re— rates. and i'm thinking, well, ware—nuan- rates. and i'm thinking, well, you're much cash. rates. and i'm thinking, well,- you're_much cash. why rates. and i'm thinking, well,- yotthey-much cash. why rates. and i'm thinking, well, yotthey have much cash. why rates. and i'm thinking, well, yotthey have to much cash. why rates. and i'm thinking, well, yotthey have to mlbusiness?vhy do they have to pay business? neeawee— do they have to pay business? because threshold is in. because the threshold is in.

nttterent— because the threshold is in. different councils are at tttterent— different councils are at different levels it's, you different councils are at differe square ls it's, you different councils are at differe square footage t's, you different councils are at differe square footage t's, y all know, square footage and all tnte— know, square footage and all this business.— know, square footage and all this business. and i think it's a very— this business. and i think it's a very antiquated, strange eweten. — a very antiquated, strange eweten. -g_ a very antiquated, strange system. -at the- a very antiquated, strange- system. -at the -time, system. and at the same time, tenannent— system. and at the same time, department-have- system. and at the same time,. department-have-out department stores have gone out of department stores have gone out at twetneee— department stores have gone out of business, because in of business, partly because in somewhere torquay or somewhere like torquay or bournemouth— bournemouth or portsmouth, where they bournemouth or portsmouth, where tnew-tne — bournemouth or portsmouth, where tnew-tne grant— bournemouth or portsmouth, where they the giant square because of the giant square taatage— because of the giant square footage department footage for those department etaee— footage for those department stores, - never— footage for those department stores, never stood stores, they never stood a eaneen — stores, they never stood a eaneen sa— stores, they never stood a chance. so i— stores, they never stood a chance. so i think business ratee— chance. so i think business rates are something we ateatwtetw— absolutely need to revisit teeawee— absolutely need to revisit because - not - absolutely need to revisit- because - not working. because it's just not working. tagen— because it's just not working. tagen-wewere— because it's just not working. regen-viewers have- because it's just not working. | regen-viewers have heard roger, your viewers have heard my rates my views on business rates before. that will happen before. all that will happen if you business is the you cut business rates is the benefit will go to the landlord. it will end producing higher it will end up producing higher rents the rents for the landlord. the business might benefit in in the short while still short term while they've still got on a lease. but got a fixed rent on a lease. but when comes to renewal, when the lease comes to renewal, they negotiate they'll they negotiate the rent. they'll be pay up and the be willing to pay up and the landlord get the benefit landlord will get the benefit and it'll be biggest and it'll be the biggest transfer to two transfer of wealth to two property how would you, property owners. how would you, since the enclosures act, i wouldn't touch business rates. ideally the business should ideally the business rate should be on the be a charge on the land on the shop owner rather than on the business. but changing that would a very complicated would be a very complicated thing do. that really thing to do. but but that really is what it is. it's a charge on the ownership of property and

you take it away and the beneficiaries will be the owners of the property over time . of the property over time. roger he's a man on the same wawetengtn— roger he's a man on the same wawetengtn ae— roger he's a man on the same wavelength as me— roger he's a man on the same wavelength as me because ttterattw— wavelength as me because literally, just— wavelength as me because literally, just as— wavelength as me because literally, just as i started the conversation _ literally, just as i started the conversation about business ratee— conversation about business ratee tager— conversation about business rates, roger was— conversation about business rates, roger was getting in tawn— rates, roger was getting in tawen. eawtng— rates, roger was getting in touch, saying he feels as well wnere— touch, saying he feels as well wnere ne— touch, saying he feels as well where he lives.— touch, saying he feels as well where he lives. the main reason tnat— where he lives. the main reason tnat-enane— where he lives. the main reason tnat-enane are— where he lives. the main reason that shops are struggling that town shops are struggling is that town shops are struggling te—ratee.- that town shops are struggling te—ratee. ne-e- is the business rates. he's ttantng— is the business rates. he's ttantng-an- is the business rates. he's blaming -on the - is the business rates. he's blaming on the council. blaming it all on the council. nee— blaming it all on the council. ne-e eawtng— blaming it all on the council. he's saying that— blaming it all on the council. he's saying that they're targettng— he's saying that they'rei targettng—ae he's saying that they're- targeting_as though targeting cars as well as though tnew— targeting cars as well as though tnew are— targeting cars as well as though tnew eaen— targeting cars as well as though they are cash cows. i tell you, you— they are cash cows. i tell you, wan wan-t— they are cash cows. i tell you, you want get— they are cash cows. i tell you, you want get any— they are cash cows. i tell you, you won't get any pushback on me tran— you won't get any pushback on me trarn tne— you won't get any pushback on me from the whole— you won't get any pushback on me from the whole situation about ae tnew— from the whole situation about cars as they do. _ from the whole situation about cars as they do. i— from the whole situation about cars as they do. i think some eawnette— cars as they do. i think some councils seem— cars as they do. i think some councils seem to— cars as they do. i think some councils seem to see cars as a in— councils seem to see cars as a at at— councils seem to see cars as a at at an— councils seem to see cars as a at at an ant.— councils seem to see cars as a bit of an atm. all— councils seem to see cars as a bit of an atm. all these cameras ewerwwtere— bit of an atm. all these cameras ewewwnere. att— bit of an atm. all these cameras everywhere, all new rules. everywhere, all these new rules. taat— everywhere, all these new rules. rant-anae— everywhere, all these new rules. paul-once again,- everywhere, all these new rules. paul-once again, a- paul says once again, a eaetattet— paul says once again, a socialist-see- paul says once again, a socialist see the paul says once again, a- socialist-see the woods socialist cannot see the woods for socialist cannot see the woods tar tne — socialist cannot see the woods tar tne treee— socialist cannot see the woods for the trees, a— socialist cannot see the woods for the trees, a vat— socialist cannot see the woods for the trees, a vat free enaaatng — for the trees, a vat free shopping encourages more sales to overseas visitors— shopping encourages more sales to overseas visitors and surely it to overseas visitors and surely tt wtt— to overseas visitors and surely it will generate— to overseas visitors and surely it will generate a— to overseas visitors and surely it will generate a valuable revenue trail— it will generate a valuable revenue trail for hard pressed retattere— revenue trail for hard pressed retattere .— revenue trail for hard pressed retailers . as— revenue trail for hard pressed retailers . as someone else is retailers. as someone else is ttet— retailers. as someone else is twet getttng— retailers. as someone else is twet getttng tn— retailers. as someone else is just getting in touch saying tnat— just getting in touch saying tnat ._ just getting in touch saying that i completely agree with aaan— that i completely agree with aaran tte— that i completely agree with aaron. it's the— that i completely agree with aaron. it's the uk consumers tnat— aaron. it's the uk consumers tnat enawtt— aaron. it's the uk consumers that should have— aaron. it's the uk consumers that should have a vat cut, if anwane— that should have a vat cut, if anwane at— that should have a vat cut, if anyone at at.— that should have a vat cut, if anyone at all. one of my

viewers. i've— anyone at all. one of my viewers. i've just lost your name because— viewers. i've just lost your name because they come in so gatew— name because they come in so gatet. raw-we— name because they come in so quick. you've just— name because they come in so quick. you've just said that you really— quick. you've just said that you were really surprised to hear me say were really surprised to hear me eaw weetertaw— were really surprised to hear me say yesterday didn't feel say yesterday that i didn't feel all say yesterday that i didn't feel at tnat— say yesterday that i didn't feel all that lots— say yesterday that i didn't feel all that lots of— say yesterday that i didn't feel all that lots of the country was eetetrattng— all that lots of the country was celebrating the _ all that lots of the country was celebrating the coronation. tnat-e— celebrating the coronation. tnat-e nat— celebrating the coronation. that's not what— celebrating the coronation. that's not what it was. what it te— that's not what it was. what it te at— that's not what it was. what it was is one of my— that's not what it was. what it was is one of my viewers, mike, i it was is one of my viewers, mike, t-tt wae— was is one of my viewers, mike, t-tt eattet. — was is one of my viewers, mike, i-it was called. he- was is one of my viewers, mike, i it was called. he might i think it was called. he might be watentng— i think it was called. he might be watching -on - i think it was called. he might be watching on twitter. he be watching now on twitter. he eart— be watching now on twitter. he eat-ne— be watching now on twitter. he eatt-ne-teet- be watching now on twitter. he said-he-feel like. said that he didn't feel like tne— said that he didn't feel like the northerners,_ said that he didn't feel like the northerners, example, the northerners, for example, were celebrating _ the northerners, for example, were celebrating the coronation. so were celebrating the coronation. sa-aettng— were celebrating the coronation. sa-aettng wan— were celebrating the coronation. so asking you whether so i was asking you whether or not so i was asking you whether or nat-are— so i was asking you whether or not-are-actually- so i was asking you whether or not-are-actually ,- so i was asking you whether or not-are-actually , it. not you are and actually, it tnentret— not you are and actually, it tneatret ne— not you are and actually, it inspired me, that tweet from tnte— inspired me, that tweet from ante—tn- inspired me, that tweet from ante—tn ta mike, because what i'm going to do mike, because what i'm going to ta—enaw— mike, because what i'm going to ta—enaw eane- mike, because what i'm going to do_show some of. mike, because what i'm going to. do_show some of your do tomorrow is show some of your ntetwree. — do tomorrow is show some of your ntetwree. -are— do tomorrow is show some of your pictures-are setting- pictures. so if you are setting wawreett— pictures. so if you are setting waweett wn— pictures. so if you are setting yourself up for— pictures. so if you are setting yourself up for a— pictures. so if you are setting yourself up for a good old coronation,— yourself up for a good old coronation,-up- yourself up for a good old coronation, up at the coronation, knees up at the weetent— coronation, knees up at the weekend, pictures coronation, knees up at the- weekend,-pictures over weekend, get some pictures over to weekend, get some pictures over ta ne— weekend, get some pictures over ta ne-eet— weekend, get some pictures over ta ne-eet-te- weekend, get some pictures over ta ne-eet-te tt- weekend, get some pictures over to me-set-is it all. to me of your set up. is it all going— to me of your set up. is it all gatng-tn— to me of your set up. is it all gatngltn yaw— to me of your set up. is it all going in your street, your going on in your street, your ttwng— going on in your street, your ttwng raarn— going on in your street, your living room, wherever? i don't ntnt— living room, wherever? i don't ntnt. tet— living room, wherever? i don't ntnt. get me— living room, wherever? i don't mind. get me your pictures and i'll mind. get me your pictures and at te— mind. get me your pictures and at te-tnaee— mind. get me your pictures and i'll be -those on - mind. get me your pictures and i'll be-those on the- i'll be sharing those on the enaw— i'll be sharing those on the enaw-tn- i'll be sharing those on the enaw-tn ttet- i'll be sharing those on the- show-in justlcouple show tomorrow. in just a couple of show tomorrow. in just a couple at—want- show tomorrow. in just a couple at—want tal of minutes, though, i want to aet— of minutes, though, i want to aet-ta— of minutes, though, i want to aet-ta wan— of minutes, though, i want to ask-do you think- of minutes, though, i want to ask do you think it's ask you, do you think it's etnteat— ask you, do you think it's etnteat ta— ask you, do you think it's ethical to try— ask you, do you think it's ethical to try and loan medical etatt—ant- ethical to try and loan medical. staff—and-versa staff from abroad and vice versa by staff from abroad and vice versa tw-teeawee— staff from abroad and vice versa by because australia, by the way, because australia, ttet-re— by the way, because australia, they're desperate— by the way, because australia, they're desperate for our staff —eee wan- they're desperate for our staff

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radio . radio. hello there . welcome back to hello there. welcome back to newtea— hello there. welcome back to newtea ca— hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co with— hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co with me- 1“2”t2; welcome back to dewbs& co with me michelle newterrw— dewbs& co with me michelle newterrw ntgnt— dewbs& co with me michelle dewberry right through until troo— dewberry right through until mo tantgnt— dewberry right through until 7:00 tonight alongside me, nantet— 7:00 tonight alongside me, daniel moylan— 7:00 tonight alongside me, daniel moylan is a conservative peer— daniel moylan is a conservative neer tn— daniel moylan is a conservative peer tn tne— daniel moylan is a conservative peer in the house— daniel moylan is a conservative peer in the house of lords and our ambassador— peer in the house of lords and our ambassador arnie is the taanter— our ambassador arnie is the tawnter at— our ambassador arnie is the founder of novara media. of founder of novara media. lots of eanwereatant— founder of novara media. lots of conversation going— founder of novara media. lots of conversation going online. adam neare— conversation going online. adam brooks,-actually_ conversation going online. adam brooks, actually one of our brooks, he's actually one of our i brooks, he's actually one of our . atte— brooks, he's actually one of our . ttte ntn. — brooks, he's actually one of our i like him. he's— brooks, he's actually one of our i like him. he's dodi dan waattan— i like him. he's dodi dan wootton show,- i like him. he's dodi dan wootton show, actually. he's eawtng— wootton show, actually. he's eawtng ne-e— wootton show, actually. he's saying he's celebrates well, eetetrate — saying he's celebrates well, eetetrate .— saying he's celebrates well, celebrate . it— saying he's celebrates well, celebrate . it might be an celebrate. it might be an exaggeration.— celebrate. it might be an exaggeration. i might have added that exaggeration. i might have added tnat gn— exaggeration. i might have added tnat ttt tn.— exaggeration. i might have added that bit in. but— exaggeration. i might have added that bit in. but he— exaggeration. i might have added that bit in. but he actually taeteattw— that bit in. but he actuallyi basically—pretty basically agrees with pretty nuan— basically agrees with pretty much everything that you're eawtng— much everything that you're saving—savingl much everything that you'rei saving—saving it saying on vat. he's saying it ewtttng— saying on vat. he's saying it ewtttng vat— saying on vat. he's saying it cutting vat would encourage eaenttng— cutting vat would encourage spending cheaper for the spending cheaper goods for the tt— spending cheaper goods for the consumer. it wouldn't cost the taxpayer— consumer. it wouldn't cost the taxpayer-increase- consumer. it wouldn't cost the taxpayer increase revenue taxpayer will increase revenue to taxpayer will increase revenue ta—ant— taxpayer will increase revenue ta—ant eave- taxpayer will increase revenuei to_and save many to the treasury and save many tate— to the treasury and save many tate ant— to the treasury and save many jobs and businesses. one of my wewe— jobs and businesses. one of my ae wett— jobs and businesses. one of my views as well got— jobs and businesses. one of my views as well got in touch eawtng— views as well got in touch eawtng ._ views as well got in touch eawtng t twe— views as well got in touch saying i live near bicester vtttage— saying i live near bicester vtttage ant— saying i live near bicester village and he— saying i live near bicester village and he says that all the enaanere— village and he says that all the enaaaere were.— village and he says that all the shoppers there, they do get wet— shoppers there, they do get tnetr vat— shoppers there, they do get their vat back. _ shoppers there, they do get their vat back. think what their vat back. i think what wan-re— their vat back. i think what ware-ta— their vat back. i think what wan-re-ta te- their vat back. i think what you're-to is if- you're referring to is if you get— you're referring to is if you get yaw— you're referring to is if you get waw gaate— you're referring to is if you get your goods shipped directly overseas. so if— get your goods shipped directly overseas. so if you go to your

twetneee— overseas. so if you go to your twetneee ar— overseas. so if you go to your business or wherever, then you get— business or wherever, then you get yaw— business or wherever, then you can get your goods dispatched ant— can get your goods dispatched ant-tnat— can get your goods dispatched and that discount. you and get that discount. but you cant— and get that discount. but you cant-tne— and get that discount. but you ean-t-tne-waw- and get that discount. but you can't the you used to, can't do it the way you used to, when— can't do it the way you used to, wntenlga— can't do it the way you used to, wntenlga ta— can't do it the way you used to, which-go to-shop,- can't do it the way you used to, which go to shop, get which is go to your shop, get a racket.— which is go to your shop, get a taetet. etat— which is go to your shop, get a jacket, stick it— which is go to your shop, get a jacket, stick it on— which is go to your shop, get a jacket, stick it on get your jacket, stick it on and get your zon— jacket, stick it on and get your zeta tact.— jacket, stick it on and get your 20% back. those— jacket, stick it on and get your 20% back. those days of gone, tn — 20% back. those days of gone, tn atratt— 20% back. those days of gone, i'm afraid, anyway,— 20% back. those days of gone, i'm afraid, anyway, right. let's tatt— i'm afraid, anyway, right. let's talk medical— i'm afraid, anyway, right. let's talk medical staff, shall we? are— talk medical staff, shall we? are-a— talk medical staff, shall we? are-a doctor— talk medical staff, shall we? are a doctor nurse or are you a doctor or a nurse or anwtntng— are you a doctor or a nurse or anything similar?— are you a doctor or a nurse or anything similar? would you tatte— anything similar? would you ewte—tn-ewni quite fancy a life in the sun teeawee— quite fancy a life in the sun because an advert has been awtttenet— because an advert has been published lthe_ because an advert has been- published lthe-medical published in the british medical journal— published in the british medical journal basically— published in the british medical journal basically offering tanta— journal basically offering junior—uki journal basically offering- junior_uk ready junior doctors in the uk ready nearw— junior doctors in the uk ready nearw reo— junior doctors in the uk ready nearly 130 grand— junior doctors in the uk ready nearly 130 grand annual salary, anaarenttw— nearly130 grand annual salary, apparentlyr plus— nearly 130 grand annual salary, apparently, plus other perks if tnew— apparently, plus other perks if tnew nawe— apparently, plus other perks if tnew ta— apparently, plus other perks if they move to australia . now this they move to australia. now this is they move to australia. now this te ttwttng— they move to australia. now this is dividing opinion— they move to australia. now this is dividing opinion and i think i'll is dividing opinion and i think t-tt etat— is dividing opinion and i think i'll start with— is dividing opinion and i think i'll start with you— is dividing opinion and i think i'll start with you on this one. aetwatw— i'll start with you on this one. actually aaron.— i'll start with you on this one. actually aaron. some people are eawtng— actually aaron. some people are eawtng tte— actually aaron. some people are saying it's outrageous aukus tnat— saying it's outrageous aukus that australia— saying it's outrageous aukus that australia are doing this. raw— that australia are doing this. you remember— that australia are doing this. you remember they had that kind of you remember they had that kind at-tnat— you remember they had that kind at-tnat ane- you remember they had that kind of-that came over,- you remember they had that kind of that came over, the of the group that came over, the tetegate— of the group that came over, the delegate—don't- delegate came over, i don't tnaw— delegate came over, i don't tnaw. a— delegate came over, i don't know, a couple— delegate came over, i don't know, a couple of weeks ago to do know, a couple of weeks ago to ta tte— know, a couple of weeks ago to ta ttte a— know, a couple of weeks ago to do like a whole— know, a couple of weeks ago to do like a whole business recruitment— do like a whole business recruitment event this. other recruitment event on this. other neante— recruitment event on this. other negate—wett- recruitment event on this. other people _well, all's. recruitment event on this. other peo int—well, all's. recruitment event on this. other peo in love well, all's recruitment event on this. other peo in love and well, all's recruitment event on this. other peo in love and recruitment s fair in love and recruitment teeawee— fair in love and recruitment because-that- fair in love and recruitment because -that to- fair in love and recruitment because that to other because we do that to other ewanntee — because we do that to other countries. - says - because we do that to other countries. says you ? because we do that to other- countries. -says you ? well, countries. what says you? well, tnat-e— countries. what says you? well, that's certainly— countries. what says you? well, that's certainly true because we get nurses from some of the poorest countries in the world and health and the world health

organisation repeatedly told organisation has repeatedly told us for doing that rather us off for doing that rather than here at than train our nurses here at home, is what we should be home, which is what we should be doing, rather than lumbering them about a £56,000 debt them with about a £56,000 debt on this is really on average. this is really remarkable because is remarkable because not only is it year salary, it £130,000 a year salary, £1,000 a shift, it's 20 days off a month plus a two bed apartment. you're almost selling it to yourself. i see that wan-re— c i see that you're contemplating it. yeah, tn — you're contemplating it. yeah, tn tn— you're contemplating it. yeah, tn tn tne— you're contemplating it. yeah, i'm in the wrong— you're contemplating it. yeah, i'm in the wrong game. 41. i'm in the wrong game. you know, i'm in the wrong game. you know, t regret— i'm in the wrong game. you know, t regret nat— i'm in the wrong game. you know, i regret not training as a doctor. joking aside, obviously, if i hadn't, i wouldn't be going to australia. but it is a really, really arnie remarkable snapshot. i think, of the fact that particularly the right conservatives , they love to talk conservatives, they love to talk about the fact we live in a global economy. labour's mobile, it can go here or there if our rates of tax are too high, we won't attract investment entrepreneurs etcetera, etcetera. sure lord moylan etcetera. i'm sure lord moylan believes you believes that. i'm sure you believes that. i'm sure you believe it to an believe that. i believe it to an extent, but they don't seem to think the same rules apply with regards so regards to the medical staff. so we are training up doctors and nurses and the exact same rules apply them. if we lumber them apply to them. if we lumber them with debt. housing is too

with debt. if housing is too expensive, quality life is expensive, if quality of life is too and they get an too low, and then they get an offer this, 130 grand offer like this, 130 grand a year with 20 days off a month, they're and i think they're going to go. and i think that's a really big consideration terms of staff consideration in terms of staff retention nhs going retention for the nhs going forward. why you forward. daniel, i know why you think i disagree with that. i think i disagree with that. i think perfectly if think it's perfectly okay if eanetatw-e— think it's perfectly okay if somebody's a— think it's perfectly okay if somebody's a doctor to somebody's a doctor wants to take — somebody's a doctor wants to take tnat— somebody's a doctor wants to take tnat tat.— somebody's a doctor wants to take that job, that's fine. tnere-tt— take that job, that's fine. there'll be— take that job, that's fine. there'll be a— take that job, that's fine. there'll be a limited number of gate— there'll be a limited number of rate-tnaee— there'll be a limited number of jobs -those who- there'll be a limited number of. jobs -those who .take jobs there and those who do take tnen — jobs there and those who do take them -entitled- jobs there and those who do take them -entitled to. - jobs there and those who do take them entitled to. we them perfectly entitled to. we tan-t— them perfectly entitled to. we tan-t-at— them perfectly entitled to. we don't-of modern - don't have sort of modern etawerw — don't have sort of modern etawerw t— don't have sort of modern slavery. i don't- don't have sort of modern slavery. i don't think it's a watten — slavery. i don't think it's a watten tar— slavery. i don't think it's a problem for the- slavery. i don't think it's a problem for the uk. but no, aeante— problem for the uk. but no, aeaate aent— problem for the uk. but no, people aren't. no people are going—elsewhere people aren't. no people are- going_elsewhere and going to take jobs elsewhere and were— going to take jobs elsewhere and tnere-enartage— going to take jobs elsewhere and there-shortage of— going to take jobs elsewhere and there shortage of doctors there is a shortage of doctors ant— there is a shortage of doctors ant-ant— there is a shortage of doctors and-and other- there is a shortage of doctors and and other staff . we and nurses and other staff. we trtng— and nurses and other staff. we trtng-tran - and nurses and other staff. we bring from elsewhere. bring people in from elsewhere. tne— bring people in from elsewhere. tne taat— bring people in from elsewhere. tne taet tnat— bring people in from elsewhere. the fact that the— bring people in from elsewhere. the fact that the who. who erttteteee— the fact that the who. who criticises it,— the fact that the who. who criticises it, i— the fact that the who. who criticises it, i think is watatw— criticises it, i think is watatw a- criticises it, i think is probably a positive because ewewtntng— probably a positive because everything they say is wrong. ant— everything they say is wrong. ant naetw— everything they say is wrong. and mostly dictated by china . and mostly dictated by china. tne— and mostly dictated by china. tne taat— and mostly dictated by china. tne taet te— and mostly dictated by china. the fact is that's— and mostly dictated by china. the fact is that's one of the teet— the fact is that's one of the teet tntnge— the fact is that's one of the best things we— the fact is that's one of the best things we can do for those eaannete— best things we can do for those eaannete .— best things we can do for those countries , actually, because countries, actually, because tnew— countries, actually, because they australia, _ countries, actually, because they australia, no , it's my they australia, no, it's my anatagtee— they australia, no, it's my aaatagtee. we— they australia, no, it's my apologies. we bring in people overseas . they— apologies. we bring in people overseas . they actually come overseas. they actually come nee.— overseas. they actually come nere. tnew— overseas. they actually come nere. tnew get— overseas. they actually come here, they get the chance. they tratn— here, they get the chance. they tratn ae— here, they get the chance. they train as doctors— here, they get the chance. they train as doctors and nurses

weeteew— train as doctors and nurses precisely with— train as doctors and nurses precisely with the intention of eantng— precisely with the intention of eantng nee.— precisely with the intention of coming here. they know there are tate— coming here. they know there are tate tar— coming here. they know there are tate tar tnen— coming here. they know there are jobs for them here. _ coming here. they know there are jobs for them here. it allows tnen— jobs for them here. it allows tnen ta— jobs for them here. it allows tnen ta get— jobs for them here. it allows tnen ta get a— jobs for them here. it allows them to get a better life here ant— them to get a better life here ant eent— them to get a better life here and send money— them to get a better life here and send money home to support tnetr— and send money home to support their families— and send money home to support their families in— and send money home to support their families in their own eawnnete— their families in their own eaannete .— their families in their own countries . and- their families in their own countries . and i think it's countries. and i think it's ateatwtew— countries. and i think it's absolutely fantastic that we take — absolutely fantastic that we take aeaate — absolutely fantastic that we take people from other countries at tne— take people from other countries at tne eae— take people from other countries at the same time.— take people from other countries at the same time. i— take people from other countries at the same time. i do agree wttn— at the same time. i do agree wttn wan.— at the same time. i do agree wttn wan. we— at the same time. i do agree with you. we should be training aeaate— with you. we should be training aeaate tn— with you. we should be training more people in this country, but we nawe— more people in this country, but we nave a— more people in this country, but we have a shortage labour in we have a shortage of labour in tnte— we have a shortage of labour in the eawntrw— we have a shortage of labour in this country. we've— we have a shortage of labour in this country. we've got to reantgee— this country. we've got to recognise we've got recognise that we've got the tteeetnge— recognise that we've got the tteeetnge at— recognise that we've got the blessings of full— recognise that we've got the blessings of full employment. recognise that we've got the blesknow, of full employment. recognise that we've got the blesknow, of full ewas oyment. recognise that we've got the blesknow, of full ewas youngt. recognise that we've got the blesknow, of full was young we you know, when i was young we nat— you know, when i was young we nat naee— you know, when i was young we had mass unemployment. now we've got had mass unemployment. now we've gat-enntawnent— had mass unemployment. now we've gat-enntawnent tn— had mass unemployment. now we've got employment in this got full employment in this eawntw— got full employment in this| country—about got full employment in this. country—about it got full employment in this- country_about it all country and we moan about it all the country and we moan about it all tne tne.— country and we moan about it all tne the nave— country and we moan about it all the time. have we,— country and we moan about it all the time. have we, we the time. have we, have we really— the time. have we, have we reatw gat— the time. have we, have we really got full— the time. have we, have we really got full employment or is wat— really got full employment or is tnat-a— really got full employment or is that-a label? _ really got full employment or is that a label? �*" that just a label? people say if the government sound good, it's an term. it doesn't an economic term. it doesn't mean absolutely— 1“ £ £ it doesn't mean absolutely everybody's warttng— mean absolutely everybody's warttng. tt— mean absolutely everybody's working. it anyone who mean absolutely everybody's workira. it anyone who mean absolutely everybody's workira job anyone who mean absolutely everybody's workira job can anyone who mean absolutely everybody's workira job can a one; who mean absolutely everybody's workira job can a one. that's wants a job can get one. that's wnat— wants a job can get one. that's wnat-tnere-e- wants a job can get one. that's what there's obviously what it means. there's obviously taeen-t— what it means. there's obviouslyi doesn't—children doesn't mean you've got children warttng— doesn't mean you've got children working-haven't- working and you haven't got rettret— working and you haven't got retired-working,- retired people working, but wan-we— retired people working, but wan-we-neante- retired people working, but. you've-people-who you've got people people who want— you've got people people who want-ean— you've got people people who want-aan get— you've got people people who want-can get a- you've got people people who want can get a job want a job can get a job taeteatw. — want a job can get a job basically. and- want a job can get a job basically. and numbers who basically. and the numbers who are basically. and the numbers who unemployed— basically. and the numbers who are unemployed through , through, are unemployed through, through, tnrawgn— are unemployed through, through, tnrawgn taat— are unemployed through, through, through lack of— are unemployed through, through, through lack of choice is a very.— through lack of choice is a very. very— through lack of choice is a very, very small-

through lack of choice is a very, very small compared to wnat— very, very small compared to wnat tnere-e— very, very small compared to what there's a _ very, very small compared to what there's a lot— very, very small compared to what there's a lot of jobs . what there's a lot of jobs. so ttet— what there's a lot of jobs. so ttet tn— what there's a lot of jobs. so ttet tn tte— what there's a lot of jobs. so just in nhs england , just to just in nhs england, just to give you some context, just an nhs england, there's about 130,000 jobs vacancy . is that 130,000 jobs vacancy. is that need filling about 165,000 vacancies in social care, etcetera . i'm sure i'm right on etcetera. i'm sure i'm right on this . i think etcetera. i'm sure i'm right on this. i think that there's a list and it's kind of like, you have a red list, etcetera. which countries where the this country is really kind of advise. you don't take stuff from there because health care is in because their health care is in really straits, whatever. really dire straits, whatever. so are obviously kind so there are obviously some kind of standards all the rest of of standards and all the rest of it . would if it was it. i would actually, if it was me running this country, which luckily not, luckily for everyone, it's not, i would right. yeah, no i would say. right. yeah, no thanks. gone. but thanks. those days are gone. but i actually, if you're i would say actually, if you're training to be a doctor or a nurse or whatever it is, i would set up something which is almost writes your fees and writes off your your fees and your debts and all the rest of it. you commit and stick it. if you commit and stick within nhs for i don't know within the nhs for i don't know what ten years. so then what to say. ten years. so then we'll your debt. i we'll write off your debt. i think it's sensible. i think we i think it's sensible. i think we t tntnt— think it's sensible. i think we t tntnt we— think it's sensible. i think we i think we need— think it's sensible. i think we i think we need have those i think we need to have those ttnte— i think we need to have those kinds conversations because

kinds of conversations because i tntnt— kinds of conversations because i tntnt wnere— kinds of conversations because i tntnt were we— kinds of conversations because i think where we probably disagree nere— think where we probably disagree nere-ttawtan— think where we probably disagree here-moylan-it's- here lord moylan is and it's a inatten— here lord moylan is and it's a problem -britain- here lord moylan is and it's a problem britain has not had problem that britain has not had for problem that britain has not had tar a— problem that britain has not had tar a very— problem that britain has not had tar a very-tne.— problem that britain has not had for a very time, which is for a very long time, which is tratn— for a very long time, which is brain drain. _ for a very long time, which is brain drain. we've- for a very long time, which is brain drain. ash; “5t: for a very long time, which is brain drain. ash; “5: c brain drain. we've not had it for long time. and if we for a very long time. and if we see in for a very long time. and if we tn tnte— for a very long time. and if we see in this country— 2“tg c and if we see in this country wages eanttnae— see in this country wages continue to— see in this country wages continue to stagnate, it's hard to continue to stagnate, it's hard ta-tne— continue to stagnate, it's hard to-the housing- continue to stagnate, it's hard to the housing ladder. to get on the housing ladder. tawng— to get on the housing ladder. tawng-neattn- to get on the housing ladder.- young-health workers, to get on the housing ladder. young scientists,ilth workers, to get on the housing ladder. young scientists, accounting, computer scientists, accounting, it's computer scientists, accounting, rte-at— computer scientists, accounting, tt-e-at-are-tai it's many of them are going to teawe— it's many of them are going to teawe ant— it's many of them are going to leave and they're— it's many of them are going to leave and they're going to leave atter— leave and they're going to leave atter tne— leave and they're going to leave after the taxpayer— leave and they're going to leave after the taxpayer has invested in after the taxpayer has invested tn—anti in their primary secondary and to in their primary secondary and ta—terttaw- to some extent, tertiary education— to some extent, tertiary education health care education with health care workers, pay workers, even though they pay teee— workers, even though they pay teee ae— workers, even though they pay teee ae wett— workers, even though they pay fees as well. and— workers, even though they pay fees as well. and i think that's a-natar— fees as well. and i think that's a-major problem- fees as well. and i think that's a major problem us a major, major problem for us aver-next— a major, major problem for us over-next-well,- a major, major problem for us over next well, we've over the next 1020. well, we've nat— over the next 1020. well, we've tat—went- over the next 1020. well, we've tat—aren-t we.- over the next 1020. well, we'vei had _ aren't we, from had brain drain, aren't we, from nartn— had brain drain, aren't we, from nartn ta— had brain drain, aren't we, from nartn ta tne— had brain drain, aren't we, from north to the south. ' north to the south. a lot of pewte— north to the south. a lot of people leave the north and all the it to go to london the rest of it to go to london in terms of health care, salaries in this country. do you think high enough? think they're high enough? you've situation where you've got the situation where the they're still the bma, the rcn, they're still pushing back for higher pay rises. think they should rises. do you think they should be more? well, i think it be paid more? well, i think it tenente— be paid more? well, i think it tenente. t— be paid more? well, i think it depends. i think— be paid more? well, i think it depends. i think it— 2 »~..;t;?t well, i think it depends. i think it varies from group— depends. i think it varies from gnaw ta— depends. i think it varies from gnaw ta gnaw.— depends. i think it varies from group to group. so i'm much less ewnaatnette— group to group. so i'm much less ewnaatnette tar— group to group. so i'm much less sympathetic for example, to the tuna— junior doctors because the taetar. —etawl junior doctors because thei doctor, _ stay in doctor, even if they stay in tnte— doctor, even if they stay in the eawntrw— doctor, even if they stay in this country, apart the this country, apart from the aaaanwntttee— this country, apart from the. opportunities-even opportunities overseas, even if tnew— opportunities overseas, even if ttet-tnte— opportunities overseas, even if they-this country,- they stay in this country, tanta— they stay in this country, junior doctors— they stay in this country,- junior doctors-senior

junior doctors become senior taetare—tnenl doctors and we call them consultants— doctors and we call them consultants and they tend to get very— consultants and they tend to get wen-tawarte- consultants and they tend to get very-towards the- consultants and they tend to get very towards the end very well paid towards the end of very well paid towards the end at—sa— very well paid towards the end at—sa tte- very well paid towards the end of_so it's sort- very well paid towards the end of_so it's sort of. of their career. so it's sort of tatanee. — of their career. so it's sort of tatanee. ea— of their career. so it's sort of balance. so-don't- of their career. so it's sort of balance. so don't get paid balance. so you don't get paid so balance. so you don't get paid ea-at— balance. so you don't get paid ea-at tne— balance. so you don't get paid so-at the start,- balance. so you don't get paid so at the start, but you so well at the start, but you get— so well at the start, but you get really— so well at the start, but you get really well— so well at the start, but you get really well paid later on. ant— get really well paid later on. ant-waa— get really well paid later on. and-you know,- get really well paid later on. and you know, that needs and it's, you know, that needs to and it's, you know, that needs ta te— and it's, you know, that needs ta te-tnta— and it's, you know, that needs to be-into account- and it's, you know, that needs to be into account as to be taken into account as wet.— to be taken into account as well. whereas— to be taken into account as well. whereas nurses it's well. whereas with nurses it's narter— well. whereas with nurses it's tater—ta- well. whereas with nurses it's harder—to justify. harder with nurses to justify tnat—eareer- that because the career wagreeetan— that because the career. progression _for that because the career- progression _for so progression isn't there for so naw— progression isn't there for so many at— progression isn't there for so many at ten— progression isn't there for so many of them in— progression isn't there for so many of them in those numbers. but many of them in those numbers. tat t— many of them in those numbers. tat t tntnt— many of them in those numbers. but i think government also but i think the government also has but i think the government also nae-grantee- has a major problem, which is the has a major problem, which is tne—w- has a major problem, which is tne—w a- has a major problem, which is tne—w a nwge| the nhs is eating up a huge ant— the nhs is eating up a huge ant at— the nhs is eating up a huge amount of taxpayer money and wtt— amount of taxpayer money and will continue— amount of taxpayer money and will continue eating up more and ant— will continue eating up more and ant tt— will continue eating up more and ant tt waa— will continue eating up more and more. and if you if— will continue eating up more and more. and if you if all that nanew— more. and if you if all that money gaee— more. and if you if all that money goes into wages and eatartee— money goes into wages and eatartee .— money goes into wages and salaries , then— money goes into wages and salaries , then none of it it's salaries, then none of it it's nat— salaries, then none of it it's nat gatng— salaries, then none of it it's nat gatng tnta— salaries, then none of it it's not going into improvements in . tetter— not going into improvements in care , better equipment, better care, better equipment, better naenttate— care, better equipment, better naenttate .— care, better equipment, better hospitals , things like that, hospitals, things like that, when— hospitals, things like that, what are— hospitals, things like that, which are also— hospitals, things like that, which are also really important. so which are also really important. sa tte— which are also really important. so it's difficult- which are also really important. so it's difficult for— which are also really important. so it's difficult for the government - so it's difficult for the government to get this right. ant— government to get this right. ant wtat— government to get this right. ant wtat ta— government to get this right. and what do you— government to get this right. and what do you think- government to get this right. and what do you think of- government to get this right. and what do you think of these union demands ? i think it's bma union demands? i think it's bma is about 35% pay rise. et cetera. where do you stand on that? ithink cetera. where do you stand on that? i think it's completely eenettte— that? i think it's completely eenettte ta— that? i think it's completely sensible to give— $17 i think it's completely sensible to give them everything c“17 i think it's completely sensiwanto give them everything “17 i think it's completely sensiwant because em everything “17 i think it's completely sensiwant because em epay thing “17 i think it's completely sensiwant because em epay rise.i they want because 35% pay rise. wean.— they want because 35% pay rise. wean-tte— they want because 35% pay rise. wean-rte gatng- they want because 35% pay rise. yeah,-it's going to- they want because 35% pay rise. yeah, it's going to cost yeah, because it's going to cost the yeah, because it's going to cost tne taxpayer— yeah, because it's going to cost the taxpayer about— yeah, because it's going to cost the taxpayer about £1 billion. ant— the taxpayer about £1 billion. ant t— the taxpayer about £1 billion. ant t tn— the taxpayer about £1 billion. ant t tn e— the taxpayer about £1 billion. and 1 in 3 junior— the taxpayer about £1 billion. and 1 in 3 junior doctors are

taattng— and 1 in 3 junior doctors are taattng-tne- and 1 in 3 junior doctors are looking the country. looking to leave the country. i mean, understandably so. when you mean, understandably so. when w-eee— mean, understandably so. when wan-eeeletaw- mean, understandably so. when you - see l story like . you see this, see a story like ttat— you see this, see a story like tnatlwe— you see this, see a story like that..we have— you see this, see a story like that..we have an- you see this, see a story like that. we have an issue now. that. so we have an issue now. tnagtne— that. so we have an issue now. tnagtne-a— that. so we have an issue now. imagine a business. you imagine you're a business. you nawe— imagine you're a business. you nave-enntaw— imagine you're a business. you have employ 50,000 people have you employ 50,000 people ant— have you employ 50,000 people ant waa— have you employ 50,000 people ant wan nawe— have you employ 50,000 people and you have 10,000 employees rtgnt— and you have 10,000 employees rtgnt-tattan — and you have 10,000 employees right-bottom of- and you have 10,000 employees right bottom of the right at the bottom of the tatter— right at the bottom of the tatter .— right at the bottom of the ladder . they're just starting right at the bottom of the ladlin' . they're just starting right at the bottom of the ladlin' . th career. st starting right at the bottom of the ladlin' . th career. you're ting out in that career. you're a nag-ar— out in that career. you're a major multinational and, you tnaw— major multinational and, you tnawltn— major multinational and, you tnawltn e— major multinational and, you tnawltn e at— major multinational and, you know, in 3 of your employees major multinational and, you knolooking of your employees major multinational and, you knolooking of leave employees major multinational and, you knolooking of leave withoyees major multinational and, you knolooking of leave with a ees are looking to leave with a nrtwate— are looking to leave with a private _would i are looking to leave with al private _would do private enterprise. would do ewewtntng— private enterprise. would do ewewtntng tnew— private enterprise. would do everything they could to keep tnen. — everything they could to keep tnen. ant— everything they could to keep tnen. ant t— everything they could to keep them. and i find- everything they could to keep them. and i find it absolutely renartatte— them. and i find it absolutely remarkable government remarkable that the government ten-t— isn't thinking in the same tee— isn't thinking in the same terne-ataw- isn't thinking in the same terms,-okay, £1i terms, which is, okay, £1 titan.— terms, which is, okay, £1 billion,.at- terms, which is, okay, £1- billion,.at-mitigate billion, let's at least mitigate tnte— billion, let's at least mitigate tne—tne- billion, let's at least mitigate this—the next- billion, let's at least mitigate| this—the next two, this problem for the next two, tnree— this problem for the next two, twee-taw— this problem for the next two, tnree-taw ta- this problem for the next two, three how do keep three years. how do we keep etatt— three years. how do we keep etatt ttent — three years. how do we keep staff rishi sunak £1 billion? whate— staff rishi sunak £1 billion? wnatelwaa-re— staff rishi sunak £1 billion? what?.y0u're-it's. staff rishi sunak £1 billion? | what?.y0u're-it's £1 what? so you're saying it's £1 billion to give junior doctors the rise that they're asking the pay rise that they're asking 5? yeah, there's not 5? yeah, because there's not tnat—waa-re- 5? yeah, because there's not. tnat—waa-re-ta that many. so you're going to give an extra 5% to these doctors. year? yes. and doctors. this year? yes. and then year, the nurses then come next year, the nurses are to go, hang on just are going to go, hang on just a nanosecond. only got 5% plus nanosecond. i only got 5% plus a small bonus. he got 55% last yeah small bonus. he got 55% last year. i'm going to go again. this time. i want 25. and then so on and so forth. so you're saying i give everyone whatever it is that they want? everyone, not everyone. then? no, not not everyone. who then? no, not ewewaneltntnt—

not everyone. who then? no, not everyone. ithink the _ a1 3 who then? no, not everyone. think the health everyone. i think the nhs health te a very.— everyone. i think the nhs health care is a very, very— everyone. i think the nhs health care is a very, very strategic tntwetw— care is a very, very strategic industry without— care is a very, very strategic industry without a functioning wne.— nhs, the country has big wattene— nhs, the country has big. problems—and i problems very quickly and i tntnt— problems very quickly and i tntnt tte— problems very quickly and i tntnt we a— problems very quickly and i think it's a very— problems very quickly and i think it's a very different ettwattan— think it's a very different situation. so— think it's a very different situation. so that 35% figure, wnere— situation. so that 35% figure, wnere taee— situation. so that 35% figure, where does it— situation. so that 35% figure, where does it come from? it's teeawee— where does it come from? it's teeawee tn— where does it come from? it's because in terms— where does it come from? it's because in terms of their pay tataw— because in terms of their pay twat—zero.- because in terms of their pay today—2010, if. today compared to 2010, if tnew-t— today compared to 2010, if tnew-t-rteee- today compared to 2010, ifi they'd-riseslline they'd had pay rises in line wttn— they'd had pay rises in line with inflation,— they'd had pay rises in line with inflation, it would be aant— with inflation, it would be around-higher.- with inflation, it would be around higher. i think around 35% higher. so i think it's sensible— around 35% higher. so i think it's sensible to— around 35% higher. so i think it's sensible to basically reverse the _ it's sensible to basically reverse the pay cuts that tnew-we — reverse the pay cuts that tnew-we nat — reverse the pay cuts that they've had over the last 30 weare— they've had over the last 30 weae tnat-e— they've had over the last 30 years. that's what that demand taeteattw— years. that's what that demand basically consists. _ years. that's what that demand basically consists. exactly what tnat—tran. i basically consists. exactly whati that—from. and basically consists. exactly what- that_from. and it's that demand comes from. and it's atee— that demand comes from. and it's atee-that— that demand comes from. and it's atee-that a— that demand comes from. and it's atee-that a tat— that demand comes from. and it's also _that a lot of- also the fact that a lot of these people, they joined that profession their peers. these people, they joined that profe:of)n their peers. these people, they joined that profezof these their peers. these people, they joined that profezof these people eir peers. these people, they joined that profezof these people that eers. these people, they joined that profezof these people that we're a lot of these people that we're saying want to take our pay saying we want to take our pay back to 2008, 2010, whenever it is a lot of these people that have junior doctors, have started as junior doctors, they've the they've started knowing the salary is now chose salary is now they chose that profession of what profession on the basis of what their . and now a lot of their pay is. and now a lot of people will say it's a little bit rich having took your salary today last year the today or the last year or the year before whatever, to now year before or whatever, to now say, , tiger, my pay should say, well, tiger, my pay should be to what it was, be backdated to what it was, what should have years what it should have been years before joined the before i even joined the profession. you're a businesswoman now. i know if you

had a businesswoman now. i know if you nat a ettwattan— businesswoman now. i know if you had a situation where— businesswoman now. i know if you had a situation where you- 1“ i know if you had a situation where you had a big had a situation where you had a ttg enwnt— had a situation where you had a ttg enwnt at— had a situation where you had a big chunk of your— had a situation where you had a big chunk of your staff doing tnte— big chunk of your staff doing this-wanted- this and they wanted fundamentally not huge sums of new — fundamentally not huge sums of new t— fundamentally not huge sums of new t tnaw— fundamentally not huge sums of money. i know £1— fundamentally not huge sums of money. i know £1 billion, a lot of money. i know £1 billion, a lot at rnanew— money. i know £1 billion, a lot at nanewltnat— money. i know £1 billion, a lot of money,-that tax,- money. i know £1 billion, a lot of money, that tax, that vat of money, but that tax, that vat tax-ta— of money, but that tax, that vat tax-for tourists, _ tax cut for tourists, approximately, let's say tattaart— approximately, let's say. ballpark—well. ballpark a billion as well. so if ballpark a billion as well. so tt—te- ballpark a billion as well. so tt—te nat- if the government is not a naeetwe-at- if the government is not a massive of money, if you massive sum of money, if you a ceca— massive sum of money, if you were a ceo,-would- massive sum of money, if you were a ceo, would think, were a ceo, you would think, i tan-t— were a ceo, you would think, i tan-t agree— were a ceo, you would think, i don't agree with— were a ceo, you would think, i don't agree with them, you would nawte— don't agree with them, you would nawte eaw— don't agree with them, you would nawte eaw tne— don't agree with them, you would maybe say the exact same thing. but maybe say the exact same thing. tat-ae— maybe say the exact same thing. but-aslbusiness- but you say as a business nerean— but you say as a business person, a problem that person, this is a problem that i neet— person, this is a problem that i neet ta— person, this is a problem that i need to address.— person, this is a problem that i need to address. staff retention. _ need to address. staff retention.iin- need to address. staff retention. in of them is retention. 1 in 3 of them is taattng— retention. 1 in 3 of them is taattng ta— retention. 1 in 3 of them is taattng ta ga— retention. 1 in 3 of them is looking to go overseas. do looking to go overseas. what do i looking to go overseas. what do t-ta— looking to go overseas. what do t-ta naw— looking to go overseas. what do t-ta taw- looking to go overseas. what do i do now? you might not i have to do now? you might not gtwe— i have to do now? you might not gwe tnen— i have to do now? you might not gtwe tnen ea.— i have to do now? you might not give them 35. you— i have to do now? you might not give them 35. you might say 25, but give them 35. you might say 25, tat eteartw— give them 35. you might say 25, tat eteartw-ta- give them 35. you might say 25, but clearly to address but clearly you have to address tnat— but clearly you have to address tnat inatten— but clearly you have to address that problem. and— but clearly you have to address that problem. and i think that's eanetntng— that problem. and i think that's eanetntng tne— that problem. and i think that's something the government isn't tatng. — something the government isn't tatng. -ea— something the government isn't tatng. -ea nanw- doing. i've got so many questions you. daniel, questions for you. but daniel, i'm you want to i'm conscious that you i want to bnng i'm conscious that you i want to bring just want to say that bring you just want to say that that money is coming straight out of the pockets of taxpayers. you that about the you didn't say that about the tawtet— you didn't say that about the tawtet-ttt— you didn't say that about the tourist-did-but. tourist tax, did you? but i tan-t— tourist tax, did you? but i tan-t tttnt— tourist tax, did you? but i don't think the tourist tax is costing 2 billion. i think the tourist would actually tourist tax would actually increase revenues to the treasury. treasury draghi increase revenues to the treathere. treasury draghi increase revenues to the treathere. yeahaasury draghi increase revenues to the treathere. yeah because 'aghi increase revenues to the treathere. yeah because they're just there. yeah because they're dodgy models that they live off that they need to change. so it's the issues you

it's dodgy for the issues you tteagree— it's dodgy for the issues you disagree-and- it's dodgy for the issues you disagree-and it's- it's dodgy for the issues you disagree and it's fine for disagree with and it's fine for the disagree with and it's fine for tne teewee— disagree with and it's fine for the issues you _ disagree with and it's fine for the issues you agree with. titan— the issues you agree with. nttttan t— the issues you agree with. billion i didn't— the issues you agree with. billion i didn't know- the issues you agree with. billion i didn't know the figure of taking that of a billion. i'm taking that from you and not disputing it. so billion, it's a so if it's a billion, it's a billion. but the fact is that, as michele said, the differentials, to be differentials, what used to be called is when called differentials is when we asked had bargaining all asked to had pay bargaining all those the those years ago, the differentials up very differentials would show up very quickly the quickly indeed because the nurses very understandably will say what's 25? what is 35% say what's 25? what is it, 35% compared to my next or compared to my 5% next year or even know, even this year. we'll you know, we even accept the 5% this we won't even accept the 5% this yeah we won't even accept the 5% this year. and we'll be back on strike in the hope getting strike in the hope of getting 30, 35. that will not be a 30, 35. and that will not be a billion when start calling billion when you start calling them nurses because there them the nurses because there aren't them. so i aren't just a few of them. so i think, you know, all of that money is going to come out of taxpayers you a taxpayers is you say a businessman would the put. businessman would put the put. i absolutely that. yes. i absolutely believe that. yes. wnere— i absolutely believe that. yes. where-that— i absolutely believe that. yes. where-that money- i absolutely believe that. yes. where that money coming i absolutely believe that. yes. where now, that money coming i absolutely believe that. yes. where now, that it money coming i absolutely believe that. yes. where now, that would ay coming i absolutely believe that. yes. where now, that would either:oming i absolutely believe that. yes. where now, that would either beiing from? now, that would either be coming off his customers or it would coming his would be coming off his shareholders ? don't know. shareholders? i don't know. well, come from well, speaking of come from nowhere, of business, nowhere, speaking of business, men pressed pause on our thoughts in thoughts for a second because in two minutes, want to into two minutes, i want to get into this thing. so we'll continue tnte— this thing. so we'll continue

this conversation— “3 so we'll continue this conversation because ceos “3 so we'll continue thitoptnversation because ceos “3 so we'll continue thitop businesses,iecause ceos “3 so we'll continue thitop businesses, the use ceos “3 so we'll continue thitop businesses, the ftse eos “3 so we'll continue thitop businesses, the ftse 100, of top businesses, the ftse 100, do of top businesses, the ftse 100, ta waa— of top businesses, the ftse 100, ta wan tntnt— of top businesses, the ftse 100, do you think they're paid enawgne— do you think they're paid enough? there's calls now aetwattw— enough? there's calls now actually that— enough? there's calls now actually that if— enough? there's calls now actually that if you to get actually that if you want to get the actually that if you want to get tne-twent— actually that if you want to get tne-tatent .— actually that if you want to get the talent , apparently the best talent, apparently we're not paying enough to attract— we're not paying enough to attract-taa— we're not paying enough to attract-do you- we're not paying enough to attract do you want these attract them. do you want these big attract them. do you want these ttg taeeee— attract them. do you want these ttg taeeee ta— attract them. do you want these ttg teeee ta naw— attract them. do you want these big bosses to pay more ? see you big bosses to pay more? see you

on gb news, the people's cnannet.— on gb news, the people's channel. britain is watching . channel. britain is watching. tetta— channel. britain is watching. tetta ttere— channel. britain is watching. hello there. welcome back to newtea— hello there. welcome back to taewtea ca— hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co with— hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co with me michelle newterrw— dewbs& co with me michelle dewberry keeping you company till dewberry keeping you company tttt troo— dewberry keeping you company till 7:00 tonight. _ dewberry keeping you company till 7:00 tonight. j5“ 1“ till 7:00 tonight. daniel moylan , the tory peer in the house of lords, is here, as is aaron bastani, the founder novara bastani, the founder of novara media. a couple of you are getting in touch saying michel, the dark clouds are gathering behind on twitter behind you. steph on twitter asked if it asked what would you do if it starts raining? well, we'll just push on. carry on push on. we'll carry on regardless. we'll carry on. yes, we'll jacob rees—mogg we'll echo jacob rees—mogg the other he didn't even other day when he didn't even blink a controlled blink when a controlled explosion went behind him .

explosion went off behind him. if he didn't blink at that, then rain would stop us. don't rain would not stop us. don't worry that, dave. holy rain would not stop us. don't worry that that, dave. holy rain would not stop us. don't worry that isiat, dave. holy rain would not stop us. don't worry that is at, dave. holy rain would not stop us. don't worry that is a lovely. holy rain would not stop us. don't worry that is a lovely picture water. that is a lovely picture you've just sent me of your legs there you watch us on your there as you watch us on your new recliner. that of new recliner. that is, of course, in response to me saying, i want to see your setup at you having a at home. are you having a coronation party? have you got your bunting what's going your bunting out? what's going on in your street? i shall get your pictures onto my show your best pictures onto my show tomorrow, so make sure you keep them coming in. but let's continue our conversation about pay continue our conversation about pay apparently companies continue our conversation about pay been apparently companies continue our conversation about pay been turned rently companies continue our conversation about pay been turned off:ly companies continue our conversation about pay been turned off the ompanies continue our conversation about pay been turned off the uk)anies have been turned off the uk because top executives are underpaid . this is according to underpaid. this is according to the head of the london stock exchange. she reckons that compared to other countries, the top salaries of the ceos just basically don't cut the mustard. daniel do you think we need to be paying these top ceos more? i don't know. but the truth is wat— don't know. but the truth is wnat ene-e— don't know. but the truth is what she's getting- 21“ c but the truth is what she's getting is a very tnetgnttwt— what she's getting is a very insightful answer. thanks, nantet— insightful answer. thanks, nantet t— insightful answer. thanks, daniel. i like it. and it will depend well worth the fee. it will depend from case to case. nat— will depend from case to case. tat wnat— will depend from case to case. but what she's— will depend from case to case. but what she's getting at here aetaattw— but what she's getting at here aetaattwlnat— but what she's getting at here actually . not -the - actually is not that the earnantaee— actually is not that the companies don't pay because earnantnee— companies don't pay because

companies-what- companies don't pay because companies what they companies can pay what they want. — companies can pay what they want. itnat— companies can pay what they want. -that-listed. want. it's that in big listed earnantaee— want. it's that in big listed companies, companies listed on the companies, companies listed on tne-exenange.— companies, companies listed on the exchange, have to the stock exchange, they have to nave — the stock exchange, they have to nave a— the stock exchange, they have to nawe a naw— the stock exchange, they have to nawe a paw gatew— the stock exchange, they have to have a pay policy and what wan-re— have a pay policy and what wane getttng— have a pay policy and what you're getting now is left wing aettwete— you're getting now is left wing activists getting _ you're getting now is left wing activists getting shares in the eanaanw— activists getting shares in the eanaanw ant— activists getting shares in the company and getting together and gagging— company and getting together and gagging-down— company and getting together and gagging-down the- company and getting together and gagging down the pay gagging to vote down the pay gatew— gagging to vote down the pay policy. companies can't policy. so the companies can't aetnattw—ta- policy. so the companies can't aetnattw—ta nawi actually have freedom to pay wnat— actually have freedom to pay wnat-wnat— actually have freedom to pay what what they'd like to what they'd what they'd like to pay what they'd what they'd like to paviand _ what they'd what they'd like to aaw|ant tnew-re— what they'd what they'd like to pay and they're doing that for pay. and they're doing that for anretw— pay. and they're doing that for purely political— pay. and they're doing that for purely political and purely political reasons. and enee— purely political reasons. and ene-e-tnat— purely political reasons. and she's that having she's saying that is having an etteet— she's saying that is having an effect because— she's saying that is having an effect because cases you effect because in some cases you cant— effect because in some cases you cant get— effect because in some cases you cant get tne— effect because in some cases you can't get the people— effect because in some cases you can't get the people you need ant— can't get the people you need ant-ean— can't get the people you need ant-aan ga— can't get the people you need and-can go and- can't get the people you need and can go and get stuff and they can go and get stuff atraat— and they can go and get stuff atraat. taw— and they can go and get stuff abroad. now, think we can get abroad. now, i think we can get entren— abroad. now, i think we can get british bosses— abroad. now, i think we can get british bosses who— abroad. now, i think we can get british bosses who can do lots of british bosses who can do lots at-tate.— british bosses who can do lots at-tate. tnt— british bosses who can do lots of jobs. but remember, of these jobs. but remember, anten— of these jobs. but remember, british bosses— of these jobs. but remember, british bosses can go and work overseas .well. _ british bosses can go and work overseas-well. so- british bosses can go and work overseas well. so the overseas as well. so the earnantaee— overseas as well. so the companies need that flexibility .—rtttentane- . and i think it's ridiculous tnat— . and i think it's ridiculous tnat-nat- . and i think it's ridiculous that-had this- . and i think it's ridiculous that had this idea now that they've had this idea now tnat— that they've had this idea now tnat tne— that they've had this idea now that the shareholders decide wnat—tal that the shareholders decide wnat—ta te that the shareholders decide - wnat—ta te aatt what people are going to be paid wnen— what people are going to be paid wnen tt— what people are going to be paid when it should— what people are going to be paid when it should be— what people are going to be paid when it should be a job for the management— when it should be a job for the management to— when it should be a job for the management to do. that's my wew— management to do. that's my trtn— management to do. that's my view, erin yeah— management to do. that's my view, erin yeah ,_ management to do. that's my view, erin yeah , it's aaron view, erin yeah, it's aaron tettewee— view, erin yeah, it's aaron believes you— view, erin yeah, it's aaron believes you should pay whatever tnew— believes you should pay whatever tnew aet— believes you should pay whatever they ask because— believes you should pay whatever they ask because he said that anant— they ask because he said that atant tne— they ask because he said that about the junior— they ask because he said that about the junior doctors. so. go.— about the junior doctors. so. na na— about the junior doctors. so. no, no, no, no, no, no. it's tttterent— no, no, no, no, no, no. it's different now,— no, no, no, no, no, no. it's different now, is- no, no, no, no, no, no. it's different now, is it? well it is eenatntw— different now, is it? well it is certainly different because tteee— certainly different because tneee reante— certainly different because these people on average are

earntng— these people on average are earntng tee— these people on average are earning £3.4 million year, earning £3.4 million a year, when— earning £3.4 million a year, wnten-tnan- earning £3.4 million a year, which-than 100- earning £3.4 million a year, which than 100 times which is more than 100 times wnat— which is more than 100 times wnat-awerage— which is more than 100 times what average person earns in what the average person earns in this what the average person earns in tne-sa— what the average person earns in tnte-sa tt— what the average person earns in tnte-sa tt te— this country. so it is different. i mean, different. yes i mean, ultimately, i mean, i somewhat agree with what say because agree with what you say because ultimately boils to ultimately it boils down to the shareholders. if they believe that adding sufficient that a ceo is adding sufficient value to the company, they will reward appropriately. i reward them appropriately. i think albie think realistically, albie some random random random person or not random person ceo of the london person is the ceo of the london stock exchange saying that we need to give ceos more. i just find you find it bizarre. i mean, if you believe market capitalism, believe in market capitalism, surely that's the surely that's up to the shareholders. what will shareholders. but what she will be also as well, be saying, because also as well, there seems be slight there seems to be a slight decline in terms of companies listing stock exchanges. listing on uk stock exchanges. i'm not talking about ftse 100. tn — i'm not talking about ftse 100. tn tatttng— i'm not talking about ftse 100. i'm talking about— i'm not talking about ftse 100. i'm talking about general. and atwanetw— i'm talking about general. and obviously-global- obviously this is a global market— obviously this is a global market now.— obviously this is a global market now. so post brexit and all market now. so post brexit and at tne— market now. so post brexit and at tne reet— market now. so post brexit and all the rest of— market now. so post brexit and all the rest of it,— market now. so post brexit and all the rest of it, we should be ataneenng— all the rest of it, we should be pioneering saying,— all the rest of it, we should be pioneering saying, right, who are pioneering saying, right, who tne— pioneering saying, right, who tne teet— pioneering saying, right, who are the best business brains tne— are the best business brains across the globe? how do we entree— across the globe? how do we enttee tnen— across the globe? how do we entice them here? i trying entice them here? i was trying to entice them here? i was trying ta-an— entice them here? i was trying ta-an-nnnter- entice them here? i was trying to-an-number of. entice them here? i was trying to an number of how to find an exact number of how nanw— to find an exact number of how nanw enataweee— to find an exact number of how many employees in ftse. many employees are in the ftse. 100 many employees are in the ftse. too-eanttn-t— many employees are in the ftse. 100-couldn't find.- many employees are in the ftse. 100-couldn't find. i- many employees are in the ftse. 100 couldn't find. i was 100 and i couldn't find. i was ttnttng— 100 and i couldn't find. i was finding-different- 100 and i couldn't find. i was finding different accounts. finding all different accounts. i finding all different accounts. t-tnet— finding all different accounts. t-tnetlteawe- finding all different accounts. i-justlleave that. i decided just to leave that ttgnre. — i decided just to leave that ttgnre. -nen- i decided just to leave that figure.-men andi i decided just to leave that- figure.-men and women figure. but these men and women , figure. but these men and women . targetw— figure. but these men and women . targetw nen— figure. but these men and women , largely men, let's— figure. but these men and women , largely men, let's let's attent— , largely men, let's let's accept that— , largely men, let's let's

accept that they , largely men, let's let's- accept that they-charge accept that they are in charge of accept that they are in charge at ant— accept that they are in charge of and responsible for the tatnnee— of and responsible for the fortunes of— of and responsible for the fortunes of probably millions of waetre— fortunes of probably millions of waretre tn— fortunes of probably millions of workers in this— fortunes of probably millions of workers in this country. and i atwawe— workers in this country. and i atwawe ttnt— workers in this country. and i always find this— workers in this country. and i always find this kind of ratio gntte— always find this kind of ratio quite interesting. and so when people— quite interesting. and so when aeaate tate— quite interesting. and so when people take the— quite interesting. and so when people take the ceo average and aware— people take the ceo average and annare tt— people take the ceo average and anane tt ta.— people take the ceo average and anane tt ta. t— people take the ceo average and compare it to, i don't know, the aeage— compare it to, i don't know, the average worker— compare it to, i don't know, the average worker in— compare it to, i don't know, the average worker in their organisation- average worker in their organisation and say, well, i'm eantatatte— organisation and say, well, i'm comfortable with— organisation and say, well, i'm comfortable with the ratio of x, but comfortable with the ratio of x, tnt tn — comfortable with the ratio of x, tnt tn nat— comfortable with the ratio of x, but i'm not comfortable with the ratta— but i'm not comfortable with the ratta at— but i'm not comfortable with the ratta at t. — but i'm not comfortable with the ratta at t. wnw— but i'm not comfortable with the ratio of y. why does it matter to ratio of y. why does it matter ta ttnt— ratio of y. why does it matter ta ttnt tne— ratio of y. why does it matter to link the ceo's_ ratio of y. why does it matter to link the ceo's pay to the tee— to link the ceo's pay to the tee e — to link the ceo's pay to the workers ? is— to link the ceo's pay to the workers ? is the- to link the ceo's pay to the workers ? t \t5t to link the ceo's pay to the workers ? t \5 workers? is the royal navy a world class organisation? then i guess it depends what you're benchmarking— i guess it depends what you're benchmarking it.— i guess it depends what you're benchmarking it. or do you ttnt.— benchmarking it. or do you tntnt. ta— benchmarking it. or do you tntnt. ta wan— benchmarking it. or do you think, do you think the us navy is think, do you think the us navy te a— think, do you think the us navy te a watt— think, do you think the us navy is a world class— think, do you think the us navy is a world class organisation? twe— is a world class organisation? i've never even— is a world class organisation? i've never even sat and thought atant— i've never even sat and thought atant tt— i've never even sat and thought about it because— i've never even sat and thought about it because the pay ratio in about it because the pay ratio tn-waww— about it because the pay ratio tn-waww te— about it because the pay ratio tn-waww te 8- about it because the pay ratio in-navy is 8 to- about it because the pay ratio in-navy is 8 to 1,- about it because the pay ratio in navy is 8 to 1, so the in the us navy is 8 to 1, so the ntgneet— in the us navy is 8 to 1, so the ntgneet natt— in the us navy is 8 to 1, so the highest paid member the us highest paid member of the us taw— highest paid member of the us taww-etgnt— highest paid member of the us navy-eight times- highest paid member of the us navy eight times more navy is paid eight times more tnan— navy is paid eight times more tnan-taweet— navy is paid eight times more than lowest paid. than the lowest paid. the reason tnew— than the lowest paid. the reason ta ta— than the lowest paid. the reason they do that is to create a spirit sense of spirit decor, a sense of togetherness, a sense of purpose, a sense of mission. now i on the i don't expect companies on the on 100 to have an 8 to on the ftse 100 to have an 8 to 1 pay on the ftse 100 to have an 8 to 1 pay ratio. but i think there is something very valuable for a private company where you say we

treat our workers as treat all of our workers as well. there is a threshold. we don't below. that's don't fall below. that's certainly for big, certainly not the for case big, big g—force or big players like g—force or serco. the london stock serco. on the london stock exchange. i agree with much of what just said, i think what you just said, and i think we should absolutely reward talent. however, when i look at ceos private sector in ceos in the private sector in this country, look at, for instance, mail ceo instance, the royal mail ceo there was a guy called rico back a few years ago. he got a giant golden handshake. was on golden handshake. he was on millions a year. he millions of pounds a year. he got a golden goodbye. and the guy was working from home, i think geneva in think by lake geneva in switzerland. the idea that switzerland. so the idea that we're not these people we're not paying these people enough, absolutely enough, i just find absolutely remarkable. people should be paying— remarkable. people should be paying-home-_ remarkable. people should be. paying-home.-think paying from home. do you think wanr— paying from home. do you think your achievements— paying from home. do you think your achievements cetera, are your achievements et cetera, are taeet— based on you being in the atnee— based on you being in the attteetltn— based on you being in the office?ino,id0n't. - based on you being in the office?ino,id0n't. i. based on you being in the office? \tit t2t2t“ c office? no, i don't. ijust don't understand how that rico backis don't understand how that rico back is a example. i think back is a great example. i think your can can google him your audience can can google him and find out. or water companies, know, the average and find out. or water comjnow s, know, the average and find out. or water comjnow privately ow, the average and find out. or water comjnow privately owned average and find out. or water comjnow privately owned water ge exec now privately owned water company in this country, they're earning year. their earning £1 million a year. their pay earning £1 million a year. their pay has gone up past million pay has gone up past a million for ever. for the first time ever. their profits, think, up, profits, i think, went up, i think significantly last year. yet dumping millions of yet they're dumping millions of litres of rubbish and sewage

effluent into our waterways every year and customers are paying every year and customers are paying more and more. so why are we rewarding these ceos? so it's a mixed picture. i think we should reward outstanding senior management. i don't think we have that much of it in this country. but that's the point, though. she's saying you ain't got though. she's saying you ain't gat-at— though. she's saying you ain't gat-at tt— though. she's saying you ain't got-of it because- though. she's saying you ain't got-of it because the. though. she's saying you ain't. got-of it because the pay got enough of it because the pay rent— got enough of it because the pay tent-ta— got enough of it because the pay ten-t-ta-tnen- got enough of it because the pay isn't-to-them here.| isn't enough to bring them here. eanet— isn't enough to bring them here. eanet-ta— isn't enough to bring them here. danet-ta wan— isn't enough to bring them here. daniel, do you think to daniel, what do you think to tteee— daniel, what do you think to these-ratios- daniel, what do you think to these-ratios and- daniel, what do you think to these ratios and links these kind of ratios and links between— these kind of ratios and links between-naw— these kind of ratios and links between-pay and- these kind of ratios and links between pay and ceos? between staff pay and ceos? i tntnt— between staff pay and ceos? i think companies— between staff pay and ceos? i think companies should- between staff pay and ceos? i think companies should pay their staff properly and well and decently. they should decently. of course, they should at level in the at every level in the organisation. i you organisation. but i think, you know, are are people know, there are there are people with particular skills you need . now, personally think an . now, i personally think an awful chief awful lot of these chief executives have particular executives don't have particular skills and i don't think they're worth it. and some of them are pretty disastrous once they get into position. but there are certain i know certain professions i know senior engineers and people like that who can command their own salary and they're a projects for the major works for them that they can go around the world and are in demand . world and they are in demand. and british engineers in

particular are in demand and they set their own salaries. and if you want them to work in this country, given the high rates of tax and everything then tax and everything else, then you're pay them you're going to have to pay them because won't be here. because they won't be here. otherwise hong otherwise they'll be in hong kong, they'll dubai, kong, they'll be in dubai, they'll the gulf, whatever they'll be in the gulf, whatever doing major projects and doing major projects there, and good luck them. they've good luck to them. they've got the got the the skills, they've got the qualifications. i think the qualifications. so i think the people who are really qualified i understand why they have to pay i understand why they have to pay let me ask you home pay them. let me ask you at home for you. one of for this happened to you. one of the points that aaron— for this happened to you. one of the points that aaron was- 2 one of the points that aaron was just nattng— the points that aaron was just nattng ttere— the points that aaron was just making there, you know, when you go making there, you know, when you ga—narate.- making there, you know, when you ga—narate. naw- go to work, your morale, how nnen— go to work, your morale, how nnen-tt— go to work, your morale, how nnen-tt anw.- go to work, your morale, how much-if any, at- go to work, your morale, how much if any, at all? i much of that, if any, at all? i tan-t— much of that, if any, at all? i tan-t tnaw— much of that, if any, at all? i don't know, is— much of that, if any, at all? i don't know, is linked to your taee— don't know, is linked to your taee a— don't know, is linked to your taee a ta— don't know, is linked to your boss or do you— don't know, is linked to your boss or do you there going, boss or do you sit there going, wett— boss or do you sit there going, wettlantw— boss or do you sit there going, well,ionly earn,— boss or do you sit there going, well,ionly earn, i— boss or do you sit there going, well, only earn, i don't know, well, i only earn, i don't know, 30 well, i only earn, i don't know, so att— well, i only earn, i don't know, so att grant— well, i only earn, i don't know, 30 odd grandlyear.- well, i only earn, i don't know, 30 odd grand year. earns 30 odd grand a year. he earns wnatewer— 30 odd grand a year. he earns whatever—doesl whatever 2 million. and does tnat— whatever 2 million. and does that demoralise_ whatever 2 million. and does that demoralise you? do you aware— that demoralise you? do you eanaare-wage- that demoralise you? do you compare wage to that of the compare your wage to that of the taee— compare your wage to that of the taee a— compare your wage to that of the taee a natt— compare your wage to that of the boss or not?-i've-a- boss or not? also, i've got a gneettan— boss or not? also, i've got ai question—simple question for you. very simple .wan— question for you. very simple anelwan want- question for you. very simple one. .you proud to- question for you. very simple one. you proud to be one. are you proud to be nrtttene— one. are you proud to be british? see— one. are you proud to be british? see you .

in two. how i in tw0.i how hello | tn twa. - how hello there. | tn twa— how hello there. i'm michelle newterrw— how hello there. i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company nnttt— dewberry keeping you company nnttt troo— dewberry keeping you company until 7:00 tonight alongside me, my until 7:00 tonight alongside me, nw panel-— until 7:00 tonight alongside me, nw aanet. nantet— until 7:00 tonight alongside me, my panel. daniel moylan is a taw— my panel. daniel moylan is a tarw peer— my panel. daniel moylan is a tarw peer tn— my panel. daniel moylan is a tarw peer tn tne— my panel. daniel moylan is a tory peer in the house of lords ant— tory peer in the house of lords ant aw— tory peer in the house of lords and our ambassador arnie is the tannter— and our ambassador arnie is the tannter at— and our ambassador arnie is the founder of novara _ and our ambassador arnie is the founder of novara media. and weteane— founder of novara media. and welcome back,— founder of novara media. and welcome back, everyone. cathy eawe— welcome back, everyone. cathy eawe-tnat— welcome back, everyone. cathy eawe-tnat tne- welcome back, everyone. cathy says-that the guy. welcome back, everyone. cathy says that the guy on says on twitter that the guy on the says on twitter that the guy on tne panel— says on twitter that the guy on tne nanet te— says on twitter that the guy on the panel is the— says on twitter that the guy on the panel is the best thing etnee— the panel is the best thing since sliced— the panel is the best thing since sliced bread. and she eawe— since sliced bread. and she eawe. can— since sliced bread. and she eawe. can we— since sliced bread. and she says, can we have him back? but we tan-t— says, can we have him back? but we tan-t tnaw— says, can we have him back? but we don't know who— says, can we have him back? but we don't know who it is that wane— we don't know who it is that you're referring— we don't know who it is that you're referring to. caffeine? tat— you're referring to. caffeine? tat-teat.- you're referring to. caffeine? lord-yeah, it- you're referring to. caffeine? lord _yeah, it was. lord moylan yeah, it was tetattng— lord moylan yeah, it was debating about this cafe. get taat— debating about this cafe. get taetltanen— debating about this cafe. get back-touch on— debating about this cafe. get back touch on and back in touch on twitter and ten— back in touch on twitter and tett-ane- back in touch on twitter and tett-ane at- back in touch on twitter and tell-one of them. back in touch on twitter andi tell-one of them is back in touch on twitter and. tell-one of them is it tell me which one of them is it tnat— tell me which one of them is it tnat-are— tell me which one of them is it that-are referring- tell me which one of them is it that are referring to? lots that you are referring to? lots of that you are referring to? lots at-getttng— that you are referring to? lots of-getting-about| of you getting in touch about tnat— of you getting in touch about that question— of you getting in touch about that question-i- of you getting in touch about that question i just posed that question that i just posed vou— that question that i just posed wan-at— that question that i just posed wan-at-treat- that question that i just posed you of break about. you ahead of the break about. are wan— you ahead of the break about. are wan want— you ahead of the break about. are you proud to— you ahead of the break about. are you proud to be british? one of are you proud to be british? one at nw— are you proud to be british? one at nw wewere— are you proud to be british? one of my viewers has— are you proud to be british? one of my viewers has just said, wnat— of my viewers has just said, what-question,- of my viewers has just said, what question, michelle. what a daft question, michelle. yest— what a daft question, michelle. tee-tn— what a daft question, michelle. tee-tn-tal what a daft question, michelle. tee-tn-ta tei yes, of course. i'm proud to be entren— yes, of course. i'm proud to be british.-there's- yes, of course. i'm proud to be british.-there's a- yes, of course. i'm proud to be british. there's a survey british. well, there's a survey tetng— british. well, there's a survey being conducted— british. well, there's a survey being conducted that's found tnat— being conducted that's found tnat aagarenttw— being conducted that's found that apparently two thirds of nrttane— that apparently two thirds of britons feel— that apparently two thirds of britons feel less proud of the uk britons feel less proud of the nt-tnew— britons feel less proud of the nt-tnew trt— britons feel less proud of the uk .they did five- britons feel less proud of the uk they did five years ago. uk than they did five years ago. aaaarenttw—

uk than they did five years ago. aaaarenttw atea. — uk than they did five years ago. apparently also, 68% of people teet— apparently also, 68% of people teet tnat— apparently also, 68% of people teet tnat tne— apparently also, 68% of people feel that the uk— apparently also, 68% of people feel that the uk is generally in teettne— feel that the uk is generally in teettne .— feel that the uk is generally in teettne . ca— feel that the uk is generally in decline . cor blimey, that's decline. cor blimey, that's gntte— decline. cor blimey, that's gntte a— decline. cor blimey, that's gntte a ntgn— decline. cor blimey, that's quite a high statistic . almost quite a high statistic. almost toa— quite a high statistic. almost tea reattw. — quite a high statistic. almost tea reattw. t— quite a high statistic. almost 70% really. i mean i have to atntt— 70% really. i mean i have to atntt tnte— 70% really. i mean i have to admit this caveat. i've never teen— admit this caveat. i've never teen anttet— admit this caveat. i've never been pulled for— admit this caveat. i've never been pulled for anything in all my been pulled for anything in all nw tte— been pulled for anything in all nw ttte. ea— been pulled for anything in all nw ttte. ea t— been pulled for anything in all my life, so i do— been pulled for anything in all my life, so i do always wonder wna— my life, so i do always wonder wna are— my life, so i do always wonder who are these— my life, so i do always wonder who are these people that get nnttet— who are these people that get anttet. nnt— who are these people that get pulled. but nonetheless, what do you pulled. but nonetheless, what do wan mate— pulled. but nonetheless, what do wan nate ta— pulled. but nonetheless, what do you make to that?— pulled. but nonetheless, what do you make to that? i think tnew-re— you make to that? i think they're right. - you make to that? i think they're right. i think the country is decline . and i country is in decline. and i think that's i think goes one think that's i think it goes one party i think it goes party politics. i think it goes back were talking back to what we were talking about earlier. you windsor. back to what we were talking athinkzarlier. you windsor. back to what we were talking athink people you windsor. back to what we were talking athink people go windsor. back to what we were talking athink people go to windsor. back to what we were talking athink people go to theirndsor. back to what we were talking athink people go to their local i think people go to their local high they see lots of high street. they see lots of empty shopfronts. there has been crime generally is down, but violent up. there's violent crimes are up. there's a sense aren't sense that the police aren't really visible i mean, really visible anymore. i mean, the certainly don't solve the police certainly don't solve many and is very many crimes. and housing is very expensive. there's a sense, particularly even you're particularly even if you're doing your doing well and you're in your 50s 60s, you recognise that 50s or 60s, you recognise that people their 20s are going to people in their 20s are going to struggle get on the housing struggle to get on the housing laddeh struggle to get on the housing ladder. cetera. to start ladder. et cetera. hard to start families as we know because families as we know that because of birth so of falling birth rates. so i think is a general sense think there is a general sense that quite in the that we're not quite in the place we should be, and you place that we should be, and you

might say, well, that's just natural, you know, glass half empty. think more than empty. i think it's more than that. but nearly all of those. were—wean were essentially financial. yeah ant—tnat-e- were essentially financial. yeah and _that's what. and do you think that's what people— and do you think that's what reante-ttet— and do you think that's what people their pride on, people base their pride on, wet— people base their pride on, their nation,— people base their pride on, their nation, off— people base their pride on, their nation, off finances their nation, off the finances of their nation, off the finances at tnat— their nation, off the finances of that nation? _ their nation, off the finances of that nation? \tit �*7 “5“£ of that nation? no financial i mean, streets a great mean, high streets is a great example. where live on on one example. where i live on on one of the roads there. there used to debenhams on one side to be a debenhams on one side and a john lewis on the other side just a place side and it was just a place where people together. where people could be together. you you'd older, you know, you'd have older, older people for instance, they might just go have browse might just go have a browse around, cup of coffee and around, have a cup of coffee and see the world pass by those people. for some, people. now for some, don't leave right? you leave their house, right? you know, or they just go to a know, or they might just go to a costa not talk to anybody costa coffee not talk to anybody and back again. so that that and go back again. so that that sense community sense of community and connection think, over connection has, i think, over the 15 years really the last 15 years really disappeared significant disappeared to a significant extent need and extent and people need that. and i there's recognition i think there's a recognition there a community, as there that as a community, as a nation, something's not quite right. daniel ithink right. daniel yeah, i think aane— right. daniel yeah, i think aaran-e-a— right. daniel yeah, i think aaron's-a point,- right. daniel yeah, i think aaron's-a point, i aaron's got a point, actually. i ttnt.— aaron's got a point, actually. i ttnt—were- aaron's got a point, actually. i think,-we're not. think, you know, we're not i tan-t— think, you know, we're not i tan-t tntnt— think, you know, we're not i don't think we're- think, you know, we're not i don't think we're in decline and i don't think we're in decline and t tan-t— don't think we're in decline and t tan-t tntnt— don't think we're in decline and i don't think people feel we're in i don't think people feel we're tnwe—e tn- i don't think people feel we're tnwe—e tn a- in decline. but we're in a nertat— in decline. but we're in a aertat at— in decline. but we're in a period of great- in decline. but we're in a period of great change economically. best economically. we've been at best ttatttntng—

economically. we've been at best flatlining—hasn't- flatlining the economy hasn't grawn — flatlining the economy hasn't grawn we— flatlining the economy hasn't gr.awn we-gane- flatlining the economy hasn't grown. we gone into grown. we haven't gone intoi recession._haven't recession. but but we haven't grawn— recession. but but we haven't grown._flatliningj grown. so it's been flatlining ant— grown. so it's been flatlining ant t— grown. so it's been flatlining ant t tntnt— grown. so it's been flatlining and i think the- grown. so it's been flatlining and i think the government could do and i think the government could ta-atant— and i think the government could ta-atant tnat. — and i think the government could do-about that. and- and i think the government could do about that. and it's you know, — chosen, you know, not to do teane— chosen, you know, not to do teane tte— chosen, you know, not to do because it's focusing on on on getttng— because it's focusing on on on getttng-ant- because it's focusing on on on getting-and debt. because it's focusing on on on getting and debt and getting the taxes and debt and tarawtng—tte- getting the taxes and debt and borrowing its point borrowing right from its point of borrowing right from its point at—eantt- borrowing right from its point at—eantt tal of view. and they could do tntnge— of view. and they could do things about— of view. and they could do things about-so- of view. and they could do things about so i think things about that. so i think tne— things about that. so i think the-question— things about that. so i think. the-question-know, the real question is, you know, wnere— the real question is, you know, wnere-we— the real question is, you know, wnere-we gatng— the real question is, you know, where we going from here? where are we going from here? nnt— where are we going from here? ent-gneettan- where are we going from here?| but-question.does but the other question is, does ttat— but the other question is, does tnat-wanr— but the other question is, does that-your sense- but the other question is, does that-your sense of- but the other question is, does that your sense of pride that affect your sense of pride in that affect your sense of pride tn wanr— that affect your sense of pride tn wanr awn— that affect your sense of pride in your own country? and i'm not ttat— in your own country? and i'm not tnat. wan— in your own country? and i'm not sure that, you know,— in your own country? and i'm not sure that, you know, although tnte— sure that, you know, although tnte-wan-we— sure that, you know, although this-you've-us. this article you've given us etane— this article you've given us etane-ne- this article you've given us starts-us two. this article you've given us. starts-us two thirds starts by telling us two thirds are starts by telling us two thirds teee— starts by telling us two thirds are less proud.— starts by telling us two thirds are less proud. it— starts by telling us two thirds are less proud. it isn't the antte— are less proud. it isn't the article that's— are less proud. it isn't the article that's the headline . the article that's the headline. the antte— article that's the headline. the antete-eaw— article that's the headline. the article-say that. - article that's the headline. the article-say that. it- article doesn't say that. it taeen-t— article doesn't say that. it taeen-t eaw— article doesn't say that. it doesn't say they're less proud of doesn't say they're less proud at tetng— doesn't say they're less proud of being british.— doesn't say they're less proud of being british. think people of being british. i think people are-want— of being british. i think people are-proudlbeing- are still proud of being entren— are still proud of being british, still- are still proud of being british, still proud of being anten— british, still proud of being british-whole.- british, still proud of being british whole. and it's british on the whole. and it's a new.— british on the whole. and it's a wettw-naettwe. - british on the whole. and it's a pretty, positive. but we pretty, pretty positive. but we are pretty, pretty positive. but we tn— pretty, pretty positive. but we are in a period— pretty, pretty positive. but we are in a period of— pretty, pretty positive. but we are in a period of change. it's are in a period of change. it's awerw— are in a period of change. it's a very difficult— are in a period of change. it's a very difficult period. a lot of a very difficult period. a lot at tte— a very difficult period. a lot of it's caused— a very difficult period. a lot of it's caused by— a very difficult period. a lot of it's caused by inflation. the tant— of it's caused by inflation. the nant at— of it's caused by inflation. the bank of england,— of it's caused by inflation. the bank of england, the inflation get tatattw— bank of england, the inflation get totally control. get totally out of control. watatw-e— get totally out of control.| watatw-e—ta get totally out of control. - nobody's_to account nobody's holding them to account for nobody's holding them to account tar—etu- nobody's holding them to account tar—etttt nat- for that and they're still not trtngtng— for that and they're still not bringingldown. - for that and they're still not bringing down. and until bringing it down. and until tnat-e— bringing it down. and until that's sorted,— bringing it down. and until that's sorted, nothing going that's sorted, nothing is going to that's sorted, nothing is going ta—neeanee- that's sorted, nothing is going to_because when to come, right? because when nrteee— to come, right? because when anttee-gatng— to come, right? because when prices going whole prices are going up the whole tne.— prices are going up the whole the reante— prices are going up the whole time, people are— prices are going up the whole time, people are and their wages

aent— time, people are and their wages aent reante— time, people are and their wages aren't. people are— time, people are and their wages aren't. people are rightly miserable— aren't. people are rightly miserable yeah, aren't. people are rightly- miserable _yeah, i've miserable about it. yeah, i've got— miserable about it. yeah, i've got-.— miserable about it. yeah, i've got-r i_ miserable about it. yeah, i've gat-. t teet— miserable about it. yeah, i've got-, i feel that- miserable about it. yeah, i've got , i feel that we're got to say, i feel that we're enen— got to say, i feel that we're enen a— got to say, i feel that we're such a divide— got to say, i feel that we're such a divide nation and i don't remember. maybe— such a divide nation and i don't remember. i~ir1t c such a divide nation and i don't remember . i155 c remember. maybe it started with brexit, maybe was gone, brexit, maybe it was long gone, long before then. but to me there's such divide in society there's such a divide in society . i almost feel like there's a lot less tolerance as well in society . i don't judge society. i don't judge necessarily the financial things , albeit i would and people my view is they'll roll their eyes because i would pin a lot of this on the response to the covid pandemic where they isolated people in their homes. they shut people's they shut down people's wellbeing , interactions, wellbeing, interactions, connections. they decimate high streets, economies and all the rest. that's where our economic decline door . you guys decline at that door. you guys are getting in touch , alan says. are getting in touch, alan says. i to be proud of my veteran i used to be proud of my veteran commander. served for 31 commander. i served for 31 years. we were respected everywhere. says mental everywhere. he now says mental health problems are present in all ages. we've lost the great british spirit. i think that's an interesting point. what is the great british spirit? andrew says. i'm absolutely proud to be british, but unfortunately says not enough in this country are .

not enough in this country are. joanne says in simple terms , no, joanne says in simple terms, no, i'm not proud. we've lost our way . allowing minority groups to way. allowing minority groups to erode our history and our culture and change who we are and what we stand for, she says. it's an embarrassment at adrian says, yes, i'm proud to be british. brexit made me say so. the absolute pigs here, though, are the idiots in parliament and what they've made of it says less. sir terry, says the new quya less. sir terry, says the new guy, aaron, is spot on tonight. he's got his finger on the pulse of the uk today that says terry roberts says we are on a downward slope . well, look, you downward slope. well, look, you know what? this weekend an opportunity for everyone to get out and come together, even if you're not like a massive royalist. but you can get out, come together, meet your neighbours, those neighbours, interact with those people on your street. please get photographs in toomey get your photographs in toomey gbviews@gbnews.uk kay, i want to see how you're celebrating . i see how you're celebrating. i believe all of us need a little bit of a shot of positivity in this go this country. it wouldn't go amiss it . this country. it wouldn't go amiss it. that's all i've amiss with it. that's all i've got for . aaron amiss with it. that's all i've got for. aaron daniel, very got time for. aaron daniel, very much enjoyed your company . yes,

much enjoyed your company. yes, thank it didn't rain. maybe thank you. it didn't rain. maybe it you very much it might. thank you very much for your company. a for your company. have a fantastic evening. don't go anywhere. nigel farage is up next. see you tomorrow next. but i'll see you tomorrow . good this is your . good evening. this is your tateet— . good evening. this is your latest weather— good evening. this is your latest weather update from the ttet— latest weather update from the ttet atee — latest weather update from the met office for— latest weather update from the met office for gb— latest weather update from the met office for gb news. i'm alex deann— met office for gb news. i'm alex neattn. a— met office for gb news. i'm alex neattn. a tann— met office for gb news. i'm alex deakin. a damp start for many tomorrow, but— deakin. a damp start for many tomorrow, but it— deakin. a damp start for many tomorrow, but it should get a bit tomorrow, but it should get a ttt trtgnter— tomorrow, but it should get a bit brighter through the day. ant— bit brighter through the day. ant tnen— bit brighter through the day. and then we're— bit brighter through the day. and then we're looking at heavy tnnnterw— and then we're looking at heavy thundery showers— and then we're looking at heavy thundery showers developing. low nreeenre te— thundery showers developing. low pressure is anchored out to the weet— pressure is anchored out to the weet-entnntng- pressure is anchored out to the west spinning weather west and it's spinning weather trante— west and it's spinning weather trante aw— west and it's spinning weather trante waw. — west and it's spinning weather fronts our way. they've already mate— fronts our way. they've already nate ta— fronts our way. they've already made for some— fronts our way. they've already made for some quite wet conditions— made for some quite wet conditions across parts of wales ant— conditions across parts of wales and southwest— conditions across parts of wales and southwest england earlier tataw— and southwest england earlier tatawltnat-e— and southwest england earlier today, that's spiralling today, and that's spiralling nattwarte— today, and that's spiralling northwards. so— today, and that's spiralling northwards. so outbreaks of rain anentng— northwards. so outbreaks of rain anentng tnta— northwards. so outbreaks of rain pushing into northern england, watnern— pushing into northern england, northern-and- pushing into northern england, northern and southern northern ireland and southern ant— northern ireland and southern and-scotland- northern ireland and southern and-scotland too- northern ireland and southern and scotland too much of and central scotland too much of eaete— and central scotland too much of eastern england,— and central scotland too much of eastern england,-of- eastern england, much of nannern— eastern england, much of northern scotland will stay dry nae.— northern scotland will stay dry nere. stit— northern scotland will stay dry here. still easterly here. still a keen easterly wtnt— here. still a keen easterly wtnt. we— here. still a keen easterly wind. we could- here. still a keen easterly wind. we could get down to 1 or 2 ae— wind. we could get down to 1 or 2 aane— wind. we could get down to 1 or 2 across parts of— wind. we could get down to 1 or 2 across parts of northern seattant.— 2 across parts of northern scotland, but— 2 across parts of northern scotland, but certainly further eantn — scotland, but certainly further eantn tte— scotland, but certainly further eantn tt-elwerw— scotland, but certainly further south it's very mild night, south it's a very mild night, eenatntw— south it's a very mild night, certainly compared to recent ntgtte— certainly compared to recent ntgnte. a— certainly compared to recent ntgnte. a-tann- certainly compared to recent nights. a damp start then, nights. a dull, damp start then, aarttentartw— nights. a dull, damp start then, particularly for— nights. a dull, damp start then, particularly for north wales , particularly for north wales, watnern— particularly for north wales, northern england, southern seattant.— northern england, southern scotland, northern ireland. but it scotland, northern ireland. but tt enantt—

scotland, northern ireland. but it should brighten up in many taeattane— it should brighten up in many locations. then— it should brighten up in many locations. then we're looking at neaww— locations. then we're looking at neaww eawetre— locations. then we're looking at heavy showers breaking out reattw— heavy showers breaking out- reattw—anwarte really from mid—morning onwards and really from mid—morning onwards ant aantentartw— really from mid—morning onwards and particularly through the eartw— and particularly through the early afternoon.— and particularly through the early afternoon. some heavy tawnnanre— early afternoon. some heavy downpours was— early afternoon. some heavy downpours was continuing over natnern— downpours was continuing over natnern-at— downpours was continuing over northern of devon, northern parts of devon, carnwatt— northern parts of devon, cornwall and especially down the eaete— cornwall and especially down the eaete ette— cornwall and especially down the eastern side of— cornwall and especially down the eastern side of england. rumbles of , eastern side of england. rumbles at-. natt— eastern side of england. rumbles at-. tat-ae- of thunder, hail mixed in as wett— of thunder, hail mixed in as wet .— of thunder, hail mixed in as well . between— of thunder, hail mixed in as well . between the showers. well. between the showers. tnere-tt— well. between the showers. tnere-tt te— well. between the showers. there'll be sunny spells there'll be some sunny spells wnen— there'll be some sunny spells when temperatures will climb tnta— when temperatures will climb tnta-teene. - when temperatures will climb into _teens. .cold. into the high teens. a cold day, tnangn.— into the high teens. a cold day, tnangn.-tat— into the high teens. a cold day, tnangn.-tat at- into the high teens. a cold day, though, lot of mist and though, with a lot of mist and taw— though, with a lot of mist and taw atant— though, with a lot of mist and low cloud across— though, with a lot of mist and low cloud across the far natneaet. — low cloud across the far northeast. still some heavy eawerte— showers across eastern areas tntng— showers across eastern areas tnnng tntaw— showers across eastern areas during friday evening. they want— during friday evening. they should-out,- during friday evening. they should out, though. many should fizzle out, though. many ntaeee— should fizzle out, though. many ntaeee-trw— should fizzle out, though. many ntaeee-trw ta- should fizzle out, though. many ntaeee-trw ta a- should fizzle out, though. many places dry for a time. places becoming dry for a time. nnt— places becoming dry for a time. ent-neat— places becoming dry for a time. but-head into— places becoming dry for a time. but-head into the- places becoming dry for a time. but head into the weekend, but as we head into the weekend, taat— but as we head into the weekend, taatltnte— but as we head into the weekend, look-this, more— but as we head into the weekend, look-this, more wet— but as we head into the weekend, look this, more wet weather look at this, more wet weather eantng— look at this, more wet weather eantng tn— look at this, more wet weather coming in from _ look at this, more wet weather coming in from the south—west. gneettan— coming in from the south—west.. eneettan—wnen question mark about exactly when that question mark about exactly when tnat-wttt— question mark about exactly when that-will arrive— question mark about exactly when that-will arrive .the - that rain will arrive in the tantan— that rain will arrive in the london area— that rain will arrive in the london area on- that rain will arrive in the london area on saturday. but it may— london area on saturday. but it naw wett— london area on saturday. but it naw wett mate— london area on saturday. but it may well make for— london area on saturday. but it may well make for quite a grey ant— may well make for quite a grey and-afternoon— may well make for quite a grey and-afternoon in- and damp afternoon in aarttentan— and damp afternoon in particular, rain will spread particular, the rain will spread to particular, the rain will spread ta-ttttante— particular, the rain will spread to midlands wales to the midlands wales and ewentnattw— to the midlands wales and eventually northern eventually into northern tngtant— eventually into northern i england. _the eventually into northern- england._the day eventually into northern- england. _the day for england. but much of the day for the england. but much of the day for tne tar— england. but much of the day for tne tar nann— england. but much of the day for the far north of— england. but much of the day for the far north of england, seattant— the far north of england, scotland looking dry just a few eeatteret— scotland looking dry just a few scattered showers— scotland looking dry just a few scattered showers here in some trtgttneee— scattered showers here in some brightness,-and- brightness, still cold and ttneterw— brightness, still cold and- blustery-north—east. blustery in the far north—east. tteewnere— blustery in the far north—east. elsewhere temperatures in the wt— elsewhere temperatures in the rntt ta— elsewhere temperatures in the rntt ta ntgn— elsewhere temperatures in the mid to high teens, but feeling aate— mid to high teens, but feeling aaerra-n— mid to high teens, but feeling

cooler rain arrives and cooler as that rain arrives and tnere-tt— cooler as that rain arrives and tnere-tt te— cooler as that rain arrives and there'll be further— cooler as that rain arrives and there'll be further rain to come. western- there'll be further rain to come. western areas looking trter— come. western areas looking trterlsnntaw.— come. western areas looking drier sunday, but another drier on sunday, but another enett— drier on sunday, but another enettlratn— drier on sunday, but another spell rain crossing the spell of rain crossing the eanntrw— spell of rain crossing the country holiday spell of rain crossing the- country-holiday monday .

away . yes i'm back here in away. yes i'm back here in tantan— away. yes i'm back here in london tonight. outing t2ti. london tonight. outside buckingham palace tonight, we're going to ask, are the young turning against the monarchy? was there really an assassination attempt on president putin? and six? pretty well. everybody here at the moment is very happy and jolly. but how big a worry do the metropolitan police have for what's going happen here on what's going to happen here on saturday? but all of that comes after news with polly after the news with polly middlehurst .