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run by the eden project communities,- run by the eden project communities, said 67,000 big deede— communities, said 67,000 big lunch events— communities, said 67,000 big lunch events were planned today and lunch events were planned today owd dee— lunch events were planned today and the royal— lunch events were planned today and the royal family were out in force— and the royal family were out in force to— and the royal family were out in force to show— and the royal family were out in force to show their— and the royal family were out in force to show their thanks. sisters— force to show their thanks. sisters princess— force to show their thanks. sisters princess beatrice and eugene— sisters princess beatrice and eugene wee— sisters princess beatrice and eugenie were at— sisters princess beatrice and eugenie were at an event in buckinghamshire and the duke of edinburgh— buckinghamshire and the duke of edinburgh ,— buckinghamshire and the duke of edinburgh , edward and his wife edinburgh, edward and his wife swede,— edinburgh, edward and his wife sopwe, stopped— edinburgh, edward and his wife sophie, stopped by a lunch in swwew— sophie, stopped by a lunch in swwew .— sophie, stopped by a lunch in surrey . well—wishers said the surrey. well—wishers said the oddes— surrey. well—wishers said the parties brought— surrey. well—wishers said the parties brought out the best of added. — parties brought out the best of added. dds— parties brought out the best of british. it's lovely— parties brought out the best of british. c british. it's lovely to see all the people and the balloons out and everything. yeah, excellent . it doesn't happen often 013" it doesn't happen often enough . it doesn't happen often enough to . it doesn't happen often enough do get— . it doesn't happen often enough do oed peopde— . it doesn't happen often enough do oed peopde do— it doesn't happen often enough to get people to get together odd— to get people to get together and dew— to get people to get together and they should— to get people to get together and they should get a day like dds— and they should get a day like we .— and they should get a day like we . owed. — and they should get a day like this. great. it's— and they should get a day like this. great. wig and they should get a day like this. great. c wig " dad: this. great. it's very nice. i created thing to bring us all together, to celebrate this because it's a one in a lifetime thing. i don't think i'm going to experience it again. we think it's wonderful— to experience it again. we think it's wonderful that— to experience it again. we think it's wonderful that there- it's wonderful that there were-e— it's wonderful that there were-e eo— it's wonderful that there there's so many people come there's so many people have come to there's so many people have come do support— there's so many people have come do ewppow dd— there's so many people have come do ewppow dd odd— there's so many people have come to support it and we've even got you— to support it and we've even got wow—dwe— to support it and we've even got you—fine weather- you know, nice fine weather adder— you know, nice fine weather adder odd— you know, nice fine weather after all the— you know, nice fine weather after all the rain. and what did you— after all the rain. and what did you mowe— after all the rain. and what did you mode-dee— after all the rain. and what did you make the coronation we you make of the coronation we dowed— you make of the coronation we dowed -dowed— you make of the coronation we loved -loved every- you make of the coronation we loved loved every minute loved it. we loved every minute of d,— loved it. we loved every minute of it, especially— loved it. we loved every minute of it, especially seeing little dowe— of it, especially seeing little louis—national. louis singing the national endem— louis singing the national owddem odd— louis singing the national anthem all the way through. weed.— anthem all the way through. weed—ween yeah, it was impressed. yeah. yeah. i'm actually to be

yeah. i'm actually proud to be british, it.7 the first british, isn't it.7 the first lady of the us, jill biden , was lady of the us, jill biden, was one the special guests hosted one of the special guests hosted at the big lunch by the prime minister and his wife outside downing street. recipients of the downing street. recipients of we powde— downing street. recipients of we podwde od— downing street. recipients of the points of light— d g recipients of the points of light award, which was the points of light award, which woe-orddwow- the points of light award, which was ordinary people was given to ordinary people dodnd— was given to ordinary people doing extraordinary things for deede— doing extraordinary things for their community, were also in oddewdowoe— their community, were also in oddewdonee, oe— their community, were also in attendance, as were some dwodwdow— attendance, as were some ukrainian refugees and their hoode— ukrainian refugees and their doede .— ukrainian refugees and their hosts . while— ukrainian refugees and their hosts . while the coronation hosts. while the coronation conced— hosts. while the coronation eoneedd de— hosts. while the coronation concert is due— hosts. while the coronation concert is due to kick off in an how-e— concert is due to kick off in an ddow-e ddme— concert is due to kick off in an hour's time 20,000 people will join— hour's time 20,000 people will join dee— hour's time 20,000 people will join ddde newdw— hour's time 20,000 people will join the newly crowned king and queen— join the newly crowned king and queen dd— join the newly crowned king and queen at windsor— join the newly crowned king and queen at windsor castle for the ewend — queen at windsor castle for the event. earlier,— queen at windsor castle for the event. earlier, the— queen at windsor castle for the event. earlier, the prince and nnneeee— event. earlier, the prince and nnneeee od— event. earlier, the prince and princess of wales— event. earlier, the prince and princess of wales surprised the cowdc — princess of wales surprised the cowdc dwewdnd— princess of wales surprised the crowds, queuing up for the event . dn— crowds, queuing up for the event . n we— crowds, queuing up for the event . rn dne pony— crowds, queuing up for the event . in the party spirit, william nedrd— . in the party spirit, william was heard jokingly asking people if was heard jokingly asking people dd dnew-d— was heard jokingly asking people if they'd brought— was heard jokingly asking people if they'd brought alcohol with dnen — if they'd brought alcohol with dnen do— if they'd brought alcohol with them to celebrate. i'll ticket nodderc— them to celebrate. i'll ticket nodderc ore— them to celebrate. i'll ticket holders are making their way done— holders are making their way done we— holders are making their way dong dne dong— holders are making their way along the long walk to the cocdde— along the long walk to the castle where _ along the long walk to the castle where organisers are noddnd— castle where organisers are noddnd dne— castle where organisers are making the final preparations . making the final preparations. rode— making the final preparations. rode dnod— making the final preparations. take that katy— making the final preparations. take that katy perry and lionel rdcnde— take that katy perry and lionel ddcnde wru— take that katy perry and lionel richie will all— take that katy perry and lionel richie will all be— take that katy perry and lionel richie will all be performing wddn— richie will all be performing wddn cpecdod— richie will all be performing with special appearances from don— with special appearances from don crude— with special appearances from tom cruise, dame joan collins

and— tom cruise, dame joan collins and sdr— tom cruise, dame joan collins and sdr don— tom cruise, dame joan collins and sir tom jones— tom cruise, dame joan collins and sir tom jones. tom cruise, dame joan collins and sir tom jones . the host, and sir tom jones. the host, wddn— and sir tom jones. the host, hugh bonneville— and sir tom jones. the host, hugh bonneville says it's going to hugh bonneville says it's going do be— hugh bonneville says it's going do de o— hugh bonneville says it's going do de o dread— hugh bonneville says it's going to be a great night. hugh bonneville says it's going to be a great night . "rid; edi; to be a great night. there are so many— to be a great night. there are so many standout moments from what i've seen. there's a beautiful poem composed especially for the event. there's a remarkable finale , there's a remarkable finale, both visually and aurally and some astonishing pop performances along the way. and as well as classical performances from andrea bocelli and sir bryn terfel. so i think there really is something for everyone tonight. it's going to be magical amnesty international says the metropolitan police may have misused new powers after 52 people were arrested. ahead of the coronation— undidi : ahead of the coronation yesterday. the force— the coronation yesterday. the force conc— the coronation yesterday. the force says they— the coronation yesterday. the force says they were taken into cwcdodn— force says they were taken into cwcdodn dor— force says they were taken into cwcdodn for on— force says they were taken into custody for an array of offences in custody for an array of offences dn une— custody for an array of offences dn ddne wddn— custody for an array of offences in line with relevant legislation - in line with relevant legislation . but the chief legislation. but the chief eecwdwed— legislation. but the chief executive of— legislation. but the chief executive of anti monarchy group ddenwdddc— executive of anti monarchy group republic, graeme— executive of anti monarchy group republic, graeme smith, was held for republic, graeme smith, was held dor needn— republic, graeme smith, was held for needy re— republic, graeme smith, was held for nearly 16 hours— republic, graeme smith, was held for nearly 16 hours and he cddnc— for nearly 16 hours and he claims there's— for nearly 16 hours and he claims there's no longer a right to claims there's no longer a right do proceed— claims there's no longer a right do proceed dn— claims there's no longer a right to protest in the— claims there's no longer a right to protest in the uk after the reduc— to protest in the uk after the public order— to protest in the uk after the public order bill— to protest in the uk after the public order bill was passed earner— public order bill was passed earlier this— public order bill was passed

earlier this year— public order bill was passed earlier this year. you're up to dare— earlier this year. you're up to done on— earlier this year. you're up to done on on— earlier this year. you're up to date on gb news— earlier this year. you're up to date on gb news now. it's time for free— date on gb news now. it's time for free speech _ date on gb news now. it's time for free speech nation . for free speech nation. drsds— for free speech nation. ipsis anti—monarchy acts are encoded— ipsis anti—monarchy acts are needed or— ipsis anti—monarchy acts are arrested at the— ipsis anti—monarchy acts are arrested at the coronation, a comedy— arrested at the coronation, a comedy crwd— arrested at the coronation, a comedy club no— arrested at the coronation, a comedy club no platforms. ' comedy club no platforms. a dedddne— comedy club no platforms. a dedddne swe— comedy club no platforms. a leading snp politician an and a cartoon dog is fat shamed. this is free speech nation . welcome is free speech nation. welcome to free speech nation with me andrew doyle on tonight's show, the comedy legend john cleese will be joining me to discuss his career and why monty python and fawlty towers were not universally well received at first. i'll be entering the minefield that is covid 19 vaccine safety and efficacy. as fraser myers and the mp andrew bridgen settle a score, an attempt to settle the science

once and for all. also, after the stand, comedy club cancelled a booking with snp politician joanna cherry will be speaking to the poet jenny lindsay, who is also being targeted by activists for her gender critical views. i've got a lovely studio guest tonight. i've got bruce devlin and steve allen. welcome both and bruce , allen. welcome both and bruce, of course, you're you're down from scotland for the weekend, so you must have caught the coronation well, i caught the darn— coronation well, i caught the vow— coronation well, i caught the rain. you did?— coronation well, i caught the rain. you did? i— " well, i caught the rain. din. n: dz? i caught rain. you did? icaught pneumonia. - rain. din. n: n:7 i caught pneumonia. / rain. /ni. n: n:7 i caught pneumonia. / grin rain. you did? icaught- pneumonia. yeah, we got lost rain. you did.7 icaught pneumonia. yeah, we got lost and we were a wee bit cold. and i. i did say this last— we were a wee bit cold. and i. i did say this last night.- c rtnirr: and i. i did say this last night. i'd edd— did say this last night. i'd cord do— did say this last night. i'd said to one— did say this last night. i'd said to one of— did say this last night. i'd said to one of volunteers, i said to one of the volunteers, i edd— said to one of the volunteers, i cord-we— said to one of the volunteers, i odd-we on— said to one of the volunteers, i said,-we on the— said to one of the volunteers, i said, we on the official said, are we on the official nroceccdon— said, are we on the official procession route? and went procession route? and he went for wnod— procession route? and he went for we r— procession route? and he went for what i was— procession route? and he went for what i was like, oh, there odner— for what i was like, oh, there were other things— for what i was like, oh, there were other things going on. more— were other things going on. there-origami - were other things going on. - there-origami convention. there was an origami convention. yeah, yeah. finger yeah, exactly. yeah. finger knitting, finger knitting, macrame. much into macrame. you're very much into that now, are you, steve? did you watch the coronation? i watched it. imean, you watch the coronation? i watched it. i mean, the watched most of it. i mean, the bits watched most of it. i mean, the one nor— watched most of it. i mean, the one dnod d— watched most of it. i mean, the bits that i didn't— watched most of it. i mean, the bits that i didn't see,— f: c imean, the bits that i didn't see, they'll do—cdonnc- bits that i didn't see, they'll do—cddnnc or| do highlights on stamps or dndndc—sol do highlights on stamps or whee—so things, weren't they? so i can weren— things, weren't they? so i can wndcn dd— things, weren't they? so i can wndcn dd dred— things, weren't they? so i can watch it that way. exactly. yeah.i watch it that way. exactly. yeah. i wouldn't worry about it. and we've got a lovely studio

audience as here, let's and we've got a lovely studio aud some as here, let's and we've got a lovely studio audsome questionsere, let's and we've got a lovely studio audsome questionsere, them. and we've got a lovely studio aud some questionsere, them. so get some questions from them. so our first question is coming from where is david? from david. where is david? david's here. hello, david. thank much. is thank you very much. is the nond— thank you very much. is the non do— thank you very much. is the right to protest— thank you very much. is the right to protest optional right to protest now an optional exdroe — right to protest now an optional exdroe onen— right to protest now an optional extra? okay, david,— right to protest now an optional extra? jiu r: g extra? okay, david, being contentious start. contentious from the start. there we go. this is, of course, members public who are members of the public who are arrested yesterday. and this is scotland being scotland yard, of course, being accused alarming, accused of being a bit alarming, accused of being a bit alarming, a handed. are a bit heavy handed. these are new powers arrest, steve. so new powers of arrest, steve. so these just came just a couple these just came in just a couple of ago. these what of days ago. and these what i thought when i saw the images, it was a bit disturbing because there people there were just people with placards, but they hadn't done anything. they just had the placards arrested. placards and they were arrested. that good. that that to me isn't good. yeah, came prepared and yeah, they came prepared and armed to protest later, which might been nuisance might have been a nuisance to someone. so it's lock up time. we— someone. so it's lock up time. rne-dc— someone. so it's lock up time. rne-dc dnece- someone. so it's lock up time. the-is these new- someone. so it's lock up time.j the-is these new laws the problem is these new laws were—clearly- the problem is these new laws were—clearly now. the problem is these new laws were clearly now so were brought in clearly now so dndd— were brought in clearly now so dndd-ndnded— were brought in clearly now so that minded because oh, that no one minded because oh, it that no one minded because oh, dd-nendddw— that no one minded because oh, it-mentally linked- that no one minded because oh, it mentally linked the it feels mentally linked to the corondddon— it feels mentally linked to the coronation-laws- it feels mentally linked to the coronation laws in. so coronation these laws are in. so undr— coronation these laws are in. so wnddd dnere-c— coronation these laws are in. so until there's another coronation,- until there's another- coronation,-time coronation, the next time dnere-c— coronation, the next time. dnere-c—wow-re coronation, the next time- there's_you're in there's a protest that you're in doowr— there's a protest that you're in dowowrl— there's a protest that you're in dowowrl. now-dd— there's a protest that you're in favour , you'll annoyed favour of, you'll be annoyed odour—dre- favour of, you'll be annoyed- about_the problem, about these laws. the problem, bruce, isn't it? i think rushing through of this kind through any kind of this kind of legislation, it worries me

because i believe free because i believe in free speech. believe the right speech. i believe in the right to irrespective of to protest irrespective of whether agree or not. the idea whether i agree or not. the idea that this whether i agree or not. the idea thc'of this whether i agree or not. the idea thc'of course, this whether i agree or not. the idea thc'of course, anti—monarchists is, of course, anti—monarchists are going to protest on this day. of course they are. well, yeah, because they're- yeah, because they're anti—monarchists. that's why. so dnew-re— anti—monarchists. that's why. so dnen-re cddcd. — anti—monarchists. that's why. so they're stick. -think- they're stick. and i think judging— they're stick. and i think. twdedne—ond judging by his fingers and we ddccwcced— judging by his fingers and we discussed-night,- judging by his fingers and we discussed night, i'm judging by his fingers and we disctooad night, i'm judging by his fingers and we disctoo sure night, i'm judging by his fingers and we disctoo sure it night, i'm judging by his fingers and we disctoo sure it won'tight, i'm judging by his fingers and we disctoo sure it won't bet, i'm judging by his fingers and we disctoo sure it won't be thati not too sure it won't be that done— not too sure it won't be that long nedore— not too sure it won't be that long before we— not too sure it won't be that long before we have another corondddon— long before we have another coronation let's— long before we have another coronation let's just leave that were.— coronation let's just leave that were—code. - coronation let's just leave that there,_sake. but| coronation let's just leave that. there,_sake. but my there, for goodness sake. but my pond— there, for goodness sake. but my pond-doe.— there, for goodness sake. but my pond-doe. r— there, for goodness sake. but my point be, i thought they point would be, i thought they were the placards were just arresting the placards because the placards just seemed were just arresting the placards becaugoing placards just seemed were just arresting the placards becaugoing in.acards just seemed were just arresting the placards becaugoing in a:ards just seemed were just arresting the placards becaugoing in a meat ust seemed were just arresting the placards becaugoing in a meat wagon med were just arresting the placards becaugoing in a meat wagon and to be going in a meat wagon and not so i didn't get that not people. so i didn't get that end— not people. so i didn't get that and r— not people. so i didn't get that and d nodn-d— not people. so i didn't get that and i hadn't had— not people. so i didn't get that and i hadn't had a— so i didn't get that and i hadn't had a drink necderdow— and i hadn't had a drink yesterday, i it - and i hadn't had a drink yesterday, it was just all yesterday, so it was just all new— yesterday, so it was just allj ern—were very confusing. they were definitely arresting people, but i their justification, i mean, their justification, they that of they were saying that some of them implements that them had brought implements that could but like could disrupt. but i think like kwasi devices. kwasi anything could devices. i think they said anything could disrupt the public, could disrupt the public, could disrupt enough. disrupt you try hard enough. anything could disrupt. but the wooden—con- anything could disrupt. but the problem _can also. problem is that they can also cedrcn— problem is that they can also ceded—enn- search you without any justification, - search you without any justification, you justification, just in case you done— justification, just in case you done ddnerc. — justification, just in case you have flyers. anyone could have flyers. now, anyone could none— have flyers. now, anyone could none onndndnd— have flyers. now, anyone could have anything on— have flyers. now, anyone could have anything on them. we've have anything on them. so we've onco— have anything on them. so we've odco—dndc— have anything on them. so we've also—this rule- have anything on them. so we've also _this rule where. also brought in this rule where the also brought in this rule where one noddce— also brought in this rule where the police can— also brought in this rule where the police can search you for no good— the police can search you for no good neocon— the police can search you for no good reason, which— the police can search you for no good reason, which be good reason, which could be odoced— good reason, which could be onoced. dne— good reason, which could be abused. the key— good reason, which could be

abused. the key a good law abused. the key with a good law is abused. the key with a good law do do— abused. the key with a good law do do node— abused. the key with a good law do do node-noo- abused. the key with a good law is to make you can't is to make sure that you can't onoce— is to make sure that you can't odoce dd— is to make sure that you can't abuse it because— is to make sure that you can't abuse it because it's worded correcddn— abuse it because it's worded correctly and _ abuse it because it's worded correctly and can— abuse it because it's worded correctly and can only be applied— correctly and can only be applied when— correctly and can only be applied when we think it should be applied when we think it should doe-wedd— applied when we think it should doe-wed. d— be applied. well, i do understand i mean, understand about this. i mean, a lot, lot of people speak to lot, a lot of people i speak to are they love the monarchy and they are they think it's fine to arrest protesters. but arrest these protesters. but i think if you do love your country, you also love the freedoms have. and freedoms that we have. and surely part it. you surely that's part of it. you know, i would thought i don't think happen. think the protest did happen. some didn't some protests happened, didn't run— some protests happened, didn't one— some protests happened, didn't dne don.— some protests happened, didn't ruin the day, did— some protests happened, didn't ruin the day, did it? it was the wnode—noo-doi whole mixture of you need to none— whole mixture of you need to done one— whole mixture of you need to have the represented of have the voice represented of dose— have the voice represented of dose neopre— have the voice represented of those people don't like those people who don't like it. they— those people who don't like it. dden dood— those people who don't like it. drew look-silly— those people who don't like it. they look-silly as- those people who don't like it. they look-silly as well. i they look quite silly as well. just saying, not my king bleating, not my king. looked bleating, not my king. it looked a pathetic as well, you a bit pathetic as well, you know. fine, let know. so you know, fine, let them anyway, we're going them do it anyway, we're going to move on now. we've got a question from james. where is james? hello james. hello. james? here. hello james. hello. i wondering, does the panel i was wondering, does the panel dndnd—noc- think that the country has retecded— think that the country has rejected rishi _ think that the country has rejected rishi sunak and the cwrend— rejected rishi sunak and the current conservative party? neon.— current conservative party? neon—dddndl yeah, well, i mean, i think it's quite mean, some of quite clearly i mean, some of them thousand seats. them have thousand seats. i mean, this is an interesting one, bruce, it? because it one, bruce, isn't it? because it is, a crushing is, of course, a crushing defeat for tories. and, you know,

for the tories. and, you know, credit starmer, you know, he credit to starmer, you know, he really has this is clearly a victory for him. he's won back a lot of those red wall areas. it's looking very he's it's looking very much like he's definitely going to be the next it's looking very much like he's definitminister] to be the next it's looking very much like he's definitminister are be the next it's looking very much like he's definitminister are you he next it's looking very much like he's definitminister are you happyt prime minister are you happy about that? i'm not really that bordered.— about that? i'm not really that bothered, _with . about that? i'm not really thati bothered, _with you, bothered, quite honest with you, necooce— bothered, quite honest with you, because-happen.- bothered, quite honest with you, because happen. whether because it will happen. whether i'm because it will happen. whether d-n bordered— because it will happen. whether i'm bothered about it or not. wnen—nonzo- i'm bothered about it or not. . when—humza yousaf when you've got humza yousaf onnwow— when you've got humza yousaf. onnwow—nonzo anyway, i'm very busy with humza wno— anyway, i'm very busy with humza wnoldown— anyway, i'm very busy with humza who-down yesterday— anyway, i'm very busy with humza who down yesterday wearing who is down yesterday wearing a donedn— who is down yesterday wearing a lovely- mckenzie - who is down yesterday wearing a lovely-mckenzie-isl lovely siobhan mckenzie kilt. is odor—wo— lovely siobhan mckenzie kilt. is that_ no, that's- that right? yeah. no, that's one.— that right? yeah. no, that's one d— that right? yeah. no, that's one d-ner.- that right? yeah. no, that's true. i her. yeah, true. i know her. oh, yeah, i know— true. i know her. oh, yeah, i know lorraine _ true. i know her. oh, yeah, i know lorraine kelly, what know lorraine kelly, but what odour— know lorraine kelly, but what odour-nod— know lorraine kelly, but whati odour-nod-noo about later? but i mean, you know, it's a particularly bad it's very interesting, though. a lot of people i know who vote conservative normally they don't even the conservatives even like the conservatives at the moment. so they're clearly doing but doing something wrong. no, but the is, i do feel tiny the thing is, i do feel a tiny bit not that sorry for rishi because obviously very because obviously he's very rich. but feel sorry that rich. but i do feel sorry that nec— rich. but i do feel sorry that ne-c corrndno— rich. but i do feel sorry that he's carrying the— d rt but i do feel sorry that he's carrying the for can d rt. but i do feel sorry that he's carrying the for can truss ond— he's carrying the for can truss ond non— he's carrying the for can truss ond non ond— he's carrying the for can truss and may and all— he's carrying the for can truss and may and all that kind of cdodd— and may and all that kind of stuff because— and may and all that kind of stuff because he's just the ddgwreneod— stuff because he's just the figurehead moment, figurehead at the moment, isn't he? figurehead at the moment, isn't nee—ined- figurehead at the moment, isn't nee—toe onen- he? so yeah, he's just they oren-d— he? so yeah, he's just they aren't—know,- he? so yeah, he's just they aren't—know, he| he? so yeah, he's just they. aren't—know, he did aren't really, you know, he did say—lilo— aren't really, you know, he did con—rdn don-d- aren't really, you know, he did say—liz, don't do. say in debates liz, don't do odor.— say in debates liz, don't do dnod. nod— say in debates liz, don't do that. but did— say in debates liz, don't do that. but did liz— say in debates liz, don't do that. but did liz do one should opened— that. but did liz do one should opened o— that. but did liz do one should opened o porn— that. but did liz do one should opened a pork markets she did dd. — opened a pork markets she did dd. _wedd— opened a pork markets she did dd. _wedddndo— opened a pork markets she did it. -well this is- opened a pork markets she did it. -well this is the- it. yeah well this is the problem it a poisoned

problem it was a poisoned chalice. was a poisoned chalice. it was a poisoned chalice. it was a poisoned chalice wasn't it? you know, so feeling sorry for rishi? not at all. i all of the all. really > i mean, all of the noddcdec— all. really > i mean, all of the nodded-nec— all. really > i mean, all of the policies-he's talking- policies that he's talking odour.— policies that he's talking about,-things| policies that he's talking about,-things and about, improving things that and the about, improving things that and dne—dc— about, improving things that and one—dc onen- about, improving things that and the—is they have. the unspoken bit is they have dodded—dor- the unspoken bit is they have failed—for ten- the unspoken bit is they have. failed _for ten years. failed to improve for ten years. or failed to improve for ten years. dr-dnen— failed to improve for ten years. dr-dnen noddnd- failed to improve for ten years. or they making over the or were they making over the door— or were they making over the docd den— or were they making over the last ten years. _ or were they making over the last ten years. so— or were they making over the last ten years. so really, this nonnenc— last ten years. so really, this nonnenc wddn— last ten years. so really, this happens with governments. if non-re— happens with governments. if node-dor— happens with governments. if you're_for.long,l happens with governments. if. you're-forilong, you happens with governments. if you'rrresponsibility long, you happens with governments. if you'rr responsibility forlong, you happens with governments. if you'rr responsibility for ang, you happens with governments. if you'rr responsibility for a lot you happens with governments. if you'rr responsibility for a lot ofj have responsibility for a lot of the have responsibility for a lot of one ocdood— have responsibility for a lot of the actual reality— have responsibility for a lot of the actual reality of a nation. so the actual reality of a nation. so_w— the actual reality of a nation. so - my favourite - the actual reality of a nation. so my favourite thing that so what my favourite thing that nonnened— so what my favourite thing that nonnened one— so what my favourite thing that happened over the last days happened over the last few days is happened over the last few days dc-won— happened over the last few days dc-won-nonodedl happened over the last few daysj is-way-managed to is the way that they managed to corn—nodded- is the way that they managed to spin—matter how. spin it. it doesn't matter how nonn— spin it. it doesn't matter how nonn-dnen— spin it. it doesn't matter how nonn-dnen dood- spin it. it doesn't matter how many-they lost in- spin it. it doesn't matter how many they lost in these many seats they lost in these docod— many seats they lost in these local elections, _ many seats they lost in these local elections, they would say, well, — local elections, they would say, well, -dd— local elections, they would say, well, _it could- local elections, they would say, well,-it could have. well, of course it could have been— well, of course it could have been worse. therefore, been worse. yes. therefore, dnen-dd— been worse. yes. therefore,| dnen-dd—dnere been worse. yes. therefore,- they'll_there is been worse. yes. therefore,- theamount_there is been worse. yes. therefore, theamount of there is been worse. yes. therefore, theamount of defeat there is been worse. yes. therefore, theamount of defeat that re is been worse. yes. therefore, the amount of defeat that they no amount of defeat that they wooddn-d— no amount of defeat that they wouldn't somehow rac wouldn't somehow reframe rac neon.— wouldn't somehow reframe rac neon—edu- wouldn't somehow reframe rac yeah,_still alive. yeah, but we're all still alive. a nodeor— yeah, but we're all still alive. a nuclear apocalypse. - yeah, but we're all still alive. i a nuclear apocalypse. _it a nuclear apocalypse. so yes, it could worse, but this could have been worse, but this is terrible, you know? yeah, it is terrible, you know? yeah, it is terrible. and— is terrible, you know? yeah, it is terrible. and it— is terrible, you know? yeah, it is terrible. and it would- 7 yeah, it is terrible. and it would be derrdnde— is terrible. and it would be terrible because you actually done— terrible because you actually have responsibility. yes. for one— have responsibility. yes. for one erode— have responsibility. yes. for the state-things- have responsibility. yes. for the state things that the state of the things that non-re— the state of the things that node—dd- the state of the things that. you're—it doesn't you're trying to fix, it doesn't —nool you're trying to fix, it doesn'ti —noo wddd you're trying to fix, it doesn't- seem _you will do seem believable that you will do dd. — seem believable that you will do d. don-d— seem believable that you will do it. isn't democracy— seem believable that you will do it. isn't democracy a- seem believable that you will do it. c it. isn't democracy a great thing people to account? thing holding people to account? fantastic. going to fantastic. okay, we're going to move on to another question now. this one comes from danny. hello, are you hello, danny. hello. how are you doing? i'm all right.

brilliant. i wondered, is teaching about exercise as teaching kids about exercise as fat oh, i love this fat phobic? oh, i love this con. — fat phobic? oh, i love this crow. so— fat phobic? oh, i love this story. so there is this very popular cartoon called bluey. i dunno know this. it's a dunno if you know this. it's a cartoon dog. i dunno if we've got an image of bluey, but there was a which was removed was a scene which was removed from bluey's from an episode in which bluey's parents dogs parents who are also dogs discuss need to, they discuss how they need to, they need to do some exercise and lose okay and an lose weight. okay and there's an image so there's image there he is. so there's the dog holding his stomach the dad dog holding his stomach going, oh, i'm a bit porky at the moment. and bluey saying, the moment. and bluey is saying, yeah, you know, put the yeah, you are, you know, put the fork to time. but fork down from time to time. but the thing is, a bit this is the thing is, it's a bit this is a bit of a weird thing to cut this scene out isn't it? but the thing is, we've heard all this before with pig. she's a before with peppa pig. she's a horrible girl before with peppa pig. she's a horrible _girl that- before with peppa pig. she's a horrible-girl that keeps. horrible little girl that keeps codddnd— horrible little girl that keeps codddnd ner— horrible little girl that keeps calling hen-is.- horrible little girl that keeps calling her, is. she calling her, but she is. she deepe— calling her, but she is. she keeps-her- calling her, but she is. she keeps-her dad- calling her, but she is. she keeps her dad fat and keeps calling her dad fat and dooondnd— keeps calling her dad fat and dowondno od— keeps calling her dad fat and laughing at him— keeps calling her dad fat and laughing at him and all that. word.— laughing at him and all that. word. d-ne— laughing at him and all that. well, i've never— laughing at him and all that. well, i've never seen- laughing at him and all that. well, i've never seen peppa pig, but sounds like i don't want but it sounds like i don't want there should be this should be like in the way that like challenged in the way that ed was about music and ed sheeran was about music and things that. they've lifted things like that. they've lifted the things like that. they've lifted one-crow. — things like that. they've lifted one-crow. noo- things like that. they've lifted the story. you think, oh, the same story. you think, oh, so you're more worried about plagiarism? well, i think so you're more worried about plarallism? well, ithink

so you're more worried about plarall a�*n? well, i think so you're more worried about plarall a loadllell, i think so you're more worried about plarall a load of l, i think so you're more worried about plarall a load of nonsense,hink so you're more worried about plarall a load of nonsense, t0nk it's all a load of nonsense, to be nerdecddn— it's all a load of nonsense, to be perfectly honest you. it's all a load of nonsense, to be fasfectly honest you. it's all a load of nonsense, to be fasfelfat honest you. it's all a load of nonsense, to be fasfelfat child,t you. it's all a load of nonsense, to be fasfelfat child, i you. it's all a load of nonsense, to be fasfelfat child, i tookyou. it's all a load of nonsense, to be fasfelfat child, i took latin but as a fat child, i took latin so on nod— but as a fat child, i took latin so on nod do— but as a fat child, i took latin so as not to get— but as a fat child, i took latin so as not to get slagged off in we— so as not to get slagged off in one own — so as not to get slagged off in one gym nod.— so as not to get slagged off in the gym hall. oh,— so as not to get slagged off in the gym hall. oh, really? nonecddn— the gym hall. oh, really?- honestly—actually the gym hall. oh, really?- hone i :ly_ actually the gym hall. oh, really?- honei should-actually the gym hall. oh, really? honei should done:tually the gym hall. oh, really? honei should done that. true. i should have done that. why— true. i should have done that. wdn dddn-d— true. i should have done that. wnn dddn-d r— true. i should have done that. why didn't i think— true. i should have done that. why didn't i think of- true. i should have done that. why didn't i think of that? it was the one standard gate i passed-— was the one standard gate i nodded-neon.- was the one standard gate 1. passed.-yeah. couldn't passed. oh well, yeah. couldn't get passed. oh well, yeah. couldn't oed—ddoni get maths, but got latin. okay. dood— get maths, but got latin. okay. cood dor— get maths, but got latin. okay. cood dor non. — get maths, but got latin. okay. good for you. fear— get maths, but got latin. okay. good for you. fear of fat enondnd— good for you. fear of fat shaming works is what we've deornd. — shaming works is what we've learnt. well,— shaming works is what we've learnt. well,-what. shaming works is what we've. learnt. well,-what bruce learnt. well, that's what bruce is i'm worried about learnt. well, that's what bruce is sort i'm worried about learnt. well, that's what bruce is sort stuff.i worried about learnt. well, that's what bruce is sort stuff. you rried about this sort of stuff. you get a lot of social justice lot of sort of social justice messaging within cartoons. you know, the pink know, we even had now the pink news a on on news did a report on bluey on this very thing last year where they criticised it for saying there enough gender there weren't enough gender diverse dogs colour diverse or dogs of colour in bluey actually bluey and bluey is actually blue. mean that's a bit bluey and bluey is actually blue. isn'tmean that's a bit bluey and bluey is actually blue. isn't it.an that's a bit bluey and bluey is actually blue. isn't it. yeahat's a bit bluey and bluey is actually blue. isn't it. yeah is a bit bluey and bluey is actually blue. isn't it. yeah i mean i'm weird isn't it. yeah i mean i'm a fan of weird isn't it. yeah i mean i'm o-don od omen.— weird isn't it. yeah i mean i'm a-fan of bluey. i've- weird isn't it. yeah i mean i'm a-fan of bluey. i've got- a big fan of bluey. i've got a neod— a big fan of bluey. i've got a neor odd. — a big fan of bluey. i've got a neorodd. — a big fan of bluey. i've got a one year old. it's- a big fan of bluey. i've got a one year old. c g: one year old. it's a good show. i'll one year old. it's a good show. d-dd wodcn— one year old. it's a good show. i'll watch-bluey- one year old. it's a good show. i'll watch-bluey great. i'll watch a lot of bluey great onene— i'll watch a lot of bluey great dnene done. — i'll watch a lot of bluey great theme tune. i've— i'll watch a lot of bluey great theme tune. i've not clocked odde— theme tune. i've not clocked dndc encode— theme tune. i've not clocked this episode and— theme tune. i've not clocked this episode and but they censored _won'tl this episode and but they. censored _won't see this episode and but they- censored _won't see it. censored it. you won't see it. ru— censored it. you won't see it. ru never— censored it. you won't see it. ru nee-new.- censored it. you won't see it. i'll never-now. but- i'll never see it now. but reading— i'll never see it now. but reading-the- i'll never see it now. but reading the dad's reading it that the dad's worried— reading it that the dad's worried about- reading it that the dad's worried about his weight and says— worried about his weight and eeye maybe— worried about his weight and says maybe should some says maybe i should do some exercise. and apparently the mum says— exercise. and apparently the mum save—shoute- says here, maybe you should write.— says here, maybe you should write-rm- says here, maybe you should write. i'm surprised write. ooh, now i'm surprised the— write. ooh, now i'm surprised the-deeme— write. ooh, now i'm surprised the-doesn't call- write. ooh, now i'm surprised the-doesn't call of the dad doesn't call the mum of the dad doesn't call the mum of the e— the dad doesn't call the mum of the b were— the dad doesn't call the mum of the b word _they- the dad doesn't call the mum of the b word-they are- the b word because they are eeee. — the b word because they are eeee. vee— the b word because they are eege you can— the b word because they are dogs. you can get with it dogs. you can get away with it end—pee,-

dogs. you can get away with it end—pee, i- dogs. you can get away with it end—pee, i don'ti and maybe we in part, i don't mind— and maybe we in part, i don't mine-you— and maybe we in part, i don't mind-you edited- and maybe we in part, i don't mind you edited it out mind that you edited it out because— mind that you edited it out because not— mind that you edited it out because not that did but because not that you did it, but they— because not that you did it, but they etttet— because not that you did it, but they edited-but- because not that you did it, but they edited but also we they edited it out. but also we shoute— they edited it out. but also we eheutt thew— they edited it out. but also we should know that— they edited it out. but also we should know that people worry about— should know that people worry eheut—eeh-tl about their weight. you can't pretent— about their weight. you can't. pretend—magically pretend that everyone magically tevee— pretend that everyone magically tevee-wetght— pretend that everyone magically loves weight they're pretend that everyone magically lovethere weight they're pretend that everyone magically lovethere weig dysfunctionale and there are dysfunctional tehtttee— and there are dysfunctional- families—like families like this. sounds like this like they hate each this sounds like they hate each other. there's going to be other. yeah, there's going to be a at one point. a divorce at one point. a divorce? so you're saying they-te— divorce? so you're sayingi they-te—h divorce? so you're saying- theyhe—h thte they're not pure breeds? is this they're not pure breeds? is this the ptehtehe— they're not pure breeds? is this the problem? all— they're not pure breeds? is this the problem? all i'm saying is ttetet— the problem? all i'm saying is listed-there- the problem? all i'm saying is listed _there-two. listed family. there are two ehtttteh.— listed family. there are two children. one's_ listed family. there are two children. one's blue, one's teeth — children. one's blue, one's hwe we— children. one's blue, one's brown. no one's- children. one's blue, one's brown. no one's a dna brown. no one's doing a dna teet— brown. no one's doing a dna test—wow.- test, though, so. wow. interesting— interesting jeremy kyle, interesting. - interesting jeremy kyle, intere omg. - interesting jeremy kyle, intere " |g. ” chit; i interesting jeremy kyle,- irthinkhmg. another question interesting jeremy kyle, irthink we've nother question interesting jeremy kyle,- irthink we've covered uestion interesting jeremy kyle,- irthink we've covered blueyf interesting jeremy kyle, irthink we've covered bluey this i think we've covered bluey this one from rita . hi, rita. hi. one from rita. hi, rita. hi. when it comes to ft"? f’v�*i’t�* j p 3) ft when it comes to reparations one from rita. hi, rita. hi. - when it comes to reparations for thee— when it comes to reparations for they ,— when it comes to reparations for they , te— when it comes to reparations for etewew , he he— when it comes to reparations for slavery , is an apology ever slavery, is an apology ever going— slavery, is an apology ever going te— slavery, is an apology ever going to he— slavery, is an apology ever going to be enough ? t/tit; going to be enough? yes. so this is relating to the royal family as well because earlier this week aboriginal olympian nova peris said change begins with listening. she joined other voices from across the commonwealth to demand that king charles iii, makes a formal apology for the effects of british colonialism. i find this very confusing, steve, because, you know, ultimately arnie you would would big surprise would it would be a big surprise to me if aristocrats from this country, from many hundreds of

years ago weren't some way years ago weren't in some way complicit slave trade. complicit with the slave trade. they're all and charles they're all dead. and charles hasn't any of that. so hasn't done any of that. so i don't see the point of this particular although suppose particular although i suppose if you to point to a family you were to point to a family that really carries on, it bnngs that really carries on, it brings with it. the brings its past with it. the royal family is a g; c the royal family is a really good exempte— royal family is a really good example,_longer| example, but they no longer have eeweet— example, but they no longer have etewee-teeet— example, but they no longer have slaves,-least not— example, but they no longer have slaves, least not many. slaves, or at least not many. that-e— slaves, or at least not many. thetettwe — slaves, or at least not many. that's true. yes,— slaves, or at least not many. that's true. yes, well- slaves, or at least not many. yes, well made. that's true. yes, well made. eeet— that's true. yes, well made. eeet hetet. — that's true. yes, well made. good point. well— that's true. yes, well made.- good point. well-mean, good point. well made. i mean, ehe-e— good point. well made. i mean, she's demanding— good point. well made. i mean, she's demanding they do she's demanding that they do tethe—ee- she's demanding that they do talks. an apology talks. and i think an apology eewtt— talks. and i think an apology cowd-teeth— talks. and i think an apology. could-really-gesture. could be a really empty gesture. aet— could be a really empty gesture. wet—thee- could be a really empty gesture. wet—thee tewettwl and if there's one thing royalty is and if there's one thing royalty te geot— and if there's one thing royalty te eeet tee— and if there's one thing royalty is good for, it's— and if there's one thing royalty is good for, it's empty eeetwee— is good for, it's empty gestures,-it?- is good for, it's empty gestures, it? they are gestures, isn't it? they are etteetwetw— gestures, isn't it? they are effectively a _ gestures, isn't it? they are effectively a token head. but wee— effectively a token head. but the wee-we— effectively a token head. but he wee-we get— effectively a token head. but also you've got to _ effectively a token head. but also you've got to be- effectively a token head. but also you've got to be careful when you make these accusations. we know anything her we don't know anything about her past. ancestors. past. her her ancestors. you know , jack the ripper could be know, jack the ripper could be there knows. like there for all she knows. like we don't there for all she knows. like we dont our there for all she knows. like we don't our ancestors don't know. all of our ancestors are of good and bad people are a mix of good and bad people who bad things. do who did good and bad things. do you she's to you think she's trying to just get for, like, the get an apology for, like, the actual bloodline lineage, what they the concept of the they did or the concept of the royals? would a royals? well, that would be a different it? is different thing, wouldn't it? is that point? oh, i'd like that a fair point? oh, i'd like an that a fair point? oh, i'd like ee eeetegw— that a fair point? oh, i'd like ee eeetegw tree — that a fair point? oh, i'd like an apology from the- ” 7 oh, i'd like an apology from the royals. wette— an apology from the royals. would-yeah,- an apology from the royals. would-yeah, i- an apology from the royals. would yeah, i just would. would you? yeah, i just would. do would you? yeah, i just would. tee—twee?- would you? yeah, i just would. i d0_bruce? have do you deserve one, bruce? have you you seem you been oppressed? you seem

quite oppressed. yeah. no, i havelsandwich_ quite oppressed. yeah. no, i havelsandwich-to- quite oppressed. yeah. no, i havelsandwich-to me| quite oppressed. yeah. no, i. havelsandwich-to me at have a sandwich read to me at a hwttet— have a sandwich read to me at a hwttet tet— have a sandwich read to me at a buffet and mingle,— have a sandwich read to me at a buffet and mingle, and i'm still wettteg— buffet and mingle, and i'm still wetttee tet— buffet and mingle, and i'm still waiting for apology. \tit waiting for an apology. no, i thet— waiting for an apology. no, i think-should— waiting for an apology. no, ii think-should-to think she should apologise to you. oh, what i'm saying. you. oh, that's what i'm saying. teth— you. oh, that's what i'm saying. yeah-t.— you. oh, that's what i'm saying. yeah-t. t— you. oh, that's what i'm saying. yeah,_l. i really- you. oh, that's what i'm saying. yeah,_l. i really do- yeah, so. but i. i really do enjoy— yeah, so. but i. i really do enjoy whee— yeah, so. but i. i really do enjoy prince because enjoy prince louis because i the— enjoy prince louis because i thtet he— enjoy prince louis because i thtet he te— enjoy prince louis because i think he is channelling princess margaret.— think he is channelling princess margaret. te— think he is channelling princess margaret. is he?— think he is channelling princess margaret. is he? i— think he is channelling princess margaret. is he? i think he's thet— margaret. is he? i think he's that-character. - margaret. is he? i think he's that character. yeah. that kind of character. yeah. i hewee-t— that kind of character. yeah. ii hewee-t—etettw haven't really been the platty twhee. — haven't really been the platty twhee aet— haven't really been the platty twhee. the he— haven't really been the platty jubes. and he was all badly hehewet— jubes. and he was all badly behaved and— jubes. and he was all badly behaved and wouldn't pay etteettee— attention and stuff and i theweht— attention and stuff and i thought, oof,_ attention and stuff and i thought, oof, good for you. wett— thought, oof, good for you. wellt-jim- - thought, oof, good for you. wellt-jim- t- thought, oof, good for you.| well,-jim. i know well, i have a jim. i know wee-te— well, i have a jim. i know were-the.- well, i have a jim. i know you're five, come you're only five, but come on, i haven't been paying haven't really been paying attention next attention to the next generation. he stuck tongue generation. he stuck his tongue outt— generation. he stuck his tongue ewt, t— generation. he stuck his tongue ewt, t thtet— generation. he stuck his tongue ewt, t thtet te— generation. he stuck his tongue out, i think is he?— gti tit" he stuck his tongue out, i think is he? yeah. oh, yeah. — out, i think is he? yeah. oh, yeah. n0,— out, i think is he? yeah. oh, yeah. no, he— out, i think is he? yeah. oh, yeah. no, he means business. tee-t— isn't that treason? probably not. can you be not. count treason can you be treasonous if you're one of the family? course. sticking family? of course. sticking out your yeah. not sure. i your tongue. yeah. not sure. i think can. mean,i your tongue. yeah. not sure. i think can. mean, i think think you can. i mean, i think the way they're harry the way they're treating harry is harry is it's funny with harry because, you know, when he was sitting pews, he was sitting in the pews, he was stuck princess anne's stuck behind princess anne's feather. had feathery cap, feather. he had a feathery cap, and almost deliberately and they'd almost deliberately positioned and they'd almost deliberately positioneccap obscure his feathered cap would obscure his ginger that was ginger face. i think that was the wasn't it, ginger the point, wasn't it, ginger face? his hair's ginger, face? it is his hair's ginger, not his face. yeah, well, okay. i being poetic. that's i was just being poetic. that's harsh people. no, harsh to the ginger people. no, but:— harsh to the ginger people. no, tut—t— harsh to the ginger people. no, tut—t thtet— harsh to the ginger people. no, but,-i think-wasl

but, you know, i think that was an interesting dealing an interesting way of dealing with it. you know, popping up millinery thing. millinery where that's a thing. well, anything, what you well, if anything, then what you ehewtt—the- well, if anything, then what you should _the owner. well, if anything, then what you should the owner of should do because the owner of the eteeet— should do because the owner of the eteeet te— should do because the owner of the ginger is beatrice and theme— the ginger is beatrice and eugenie, mentioned eugenie, as i'd mentioned last eteht— eugenie, as i'd mentioned last night thew-te— eugenie, as i'd mentioned last night, they're prone to a bad het— night, they're prone to a bad- hat—twee hat. so if harry and meghan turn up, hat. so if harry and meghan turn we-thee— hat. so if harry and meghan turn we-thee te— hat. so if harry and meghan turn up,-them in front- hat. so if harry and meghan turn up,-them in front of. up, just stick them in front of thee. — up, just stick them in front of thee. _thete— up, just stick them in front of them. _there.go. . up, just stick them in front of- them. _there.go. problem them. then. there we go. problem solved. well, look, going them. then. there we go. problem solwe'reiell, look, going them. then. there we go. problem solwe're going ok, going them. then. there we go. problem solwe're going to. going them. then. there we go. problem solwe're going to go going them. then. there we go. problem solwe're going to go away)ing them. then. there we go. problem solwe're going to go away for| to. we're going to go away for just a few minutes. we've got the that john cleese, just a few minutes. we've got the going hat john cleese, just a few minutes. we've got the going to: john cleese, just a few minutes. we've got the going to: joining eese, just a few minutes. we've got the going to: joining us e, just a few minutes. we've got the going to: joining us in who's going to be joining us in the to discuss why monty the studio to discuss why monty python wasn't everyone's cup of tea.

front row. some members of the eehteet— front row. some members of the eehteet ee— front row. some members of the cabinet are sat— front row. some members of the cabinet are sat further back the— cabinet are sat further back the eeeee— cabinet are sat further back live across the _ cabinet are sat further back live across the uk this . live across the uk this. |weteehe— live across the uk this. . welcome back- live across the uk this. l welcome back to - live across the uk this. . welcome back to free live across the uk this. welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation doyle . nation with me andrew doyle. now my first guest tonight needs no introduction— now my first guest tonight needs no introduction won't no introduction so i won't tether— no introduction so i won't bother-one.- no introduction so i won't bother one. john bother with one. it's john cteeee— bother with one. it's john cteeee .— bother with one. it's john cleese . john— bother with one. it's john cleese . john welcome back. cleese. john welcome back. tewetw— cleese. john welcome back. lovely thrilled _ cleese. john welcome back. lovely thrilled to _ cleese. john welcome back. lovely thrilled to have- cleese. john welcome back. lovely thrilled to have you back again. and of course, we're wetttee— again. and of course, we're wetttee ee— again. and of course, we're working ee e— again. and of course, we're working on a show- 3g; " and of course, we're working on a show together at the eeeeet— working on a show together at the moment, which is fantastic.

hee— the moment, which is fantastic. we the— the moment, which is fantastic. he's the producer. _ the moment, which is fantastic. he's the producer. yeah. would you— he's the producer. yeah. would wee—aet— he's the producer. yeah. would you—and he-e- he's the producer. yeah. would you—and he's half. he's the producer. yeah. would. you—and he's half my you believe it? and he's half my age. — you believe it? and he's half my age. tee-t— you believe it? and he's half my age- tee-t thet— you believe it? and he's half my age. isn't that lovely?- you believe it? and he's half my age. isn't that lovely? i- you believe it? and he's half my age. c 7 age. isn't that lovely? i wanted to talk to you, though, about. well, let's start with the coronation. _ well, let's start with the coronation. did you watch it? ott— coronation. did you watch it? we wee— coronation. did you watch it? htt wee eetew— coronation. did you watch it? did you enjoy it?— coronation. did you watch it? did you enjoy it? �*ftt�*ticc c did you enjoy it? well, it's a ttttte— did you enjoy it? well, it's a little embarrassing, but it is also kind of funny. this is absolutely true . my wife, known absolutely true. my wife, known as the fish, because she swims like a fish , watches television, like a fish, watches television, although she gets into bed with all the cushions and the all the cushions and all the cats got have all three cats cats got to have all three cats there. then she watches and she said, come on, come in and watch. and i in. sat on watch. and i went in. i sat on the bed, lay down, and sort of the bed, lay down, and i sort of looked the screen and i lost looked at the screen and i lost it. as looked at the screen and i lost it . as in i looked at the screen and i lost it. as in i laughed. i looked at the screen and i lost it . as in i laughed. i couldn't it. as in i laughed. i couldn't stop laughing . this is stop laughing. this is absolutely so what did you find funny about it? well, i just teetet— funny about it? well, i just teetet et— funny about it? well, i just looked at it. _ funny about it? well, i just looked at it. all- funny about it? well, i just looked at it. all these people in these silly costumes and all taking everything so seriously, i thought, it's a python sketch . once i realised that it was a python sketch, i could not stop

laughing . i wasn't laughing at laughing. i wasn't laughing at any of the people because they were all playing their parts really well, you know? but i just it's so silly . that's true. just it's so silly. that's true. twee— just it's so silly. that's true. twee eew— just it's so silly. that's true. twee eet — just it's so silly. that's true. every now and then- c that's true. every now and then you just eeteh— every now and then you just eeteh e— every now and then you just catch a glimpse— every now and then you just catch a glimpse of tradition. why— catch a glimpse of tradition. whw te— catch a glimpse of tradition. whw te we— catch a glimpse of tradition. whw te we te— catch a glimpse of tradition. why do we do the things we do? it's why do we do the things we do? tt-e tweete— why do we do the things we do? we there t— why do we do the things we do? it's bizarre. i don't— why do we do the things we do? it's bizarre. i don't know why we te— it's bizarre. i don't know why we te ht.— it's bizarre. i don't know why we te tt. — it's bizarre. i don't know why we do it. and— it's bizarre. i don't know why we do it. and i— it's bizarre. i don't know why we do it. 't: we do it. and i know it's wonderful that there's crown. wonderful that there's a crown. yes, that been , i yes, you know that it's been, i don't know, put on people's heads for 800 years or that kind of notice of thing. but did you notice that marvellous man, justin , the that marvellous man, justin, the archbishop of canterbury , who i archbishop of canterbury, who i met two weeks ago, and i think he's one of the best human beings i've ever met. he should have practised putting the crown on you, remember? do you? this proves it is. he needed a spirit tewet. — proves it is. he needed a spirit tewet. teettwe— proves it is. he needed a spirit level. really? yeah.— proves it is. he needed a spirit level. really? yeah. i- c he needed a spirit level. really? yeah. i mean, it is level. really? yeah. i mean, it he tttttewtt— level. really? yeah. i mean, it is difficult. john— level. really? yeah. i mean, it is difficult. john speaking of meet— is difficult. john speaking of theetw ewthee— is difficult. john speaking of monty python, now you said an teteteettee— monty python, now you said an interesting thing— monty python, now you said an interesting thing to me, which i was absolutely— interesting thing to me, which i was absolutely fascinated by is thet— was absolutely fascinated by is that whee— was absolutely fascinated by is that whee wee— was absolutely fascinated by is that when you initially pitched theetw— that when you initially pitched weetw-wew— that when you initially pitched weetw-wew eett- that when you initially pitched monty you sort of went monty python, you sort of went in monty python, you sort of went te wtthewt— monty python, you sort of went in without quite— monty python, you sort of went in without quite knowing what it was in without quite knowing what it wee-te— in without quite knowing what it wee-te he. — in without quite knowing what it was-to be. this- in without quite knowing what it was-to be. this is- in without quite knowing what it was to be. i was going to be. this is what's so about

so interesting about our business that people always business is that people always assume something was assume that if something was successful, it was always going to be successful. yes. and it's completely untrue. but anyway, that's true . chapman and i, he that's true. chapman and i, he was studying for medicine and i just married connie booth and didn't want to be out of the house all the time for the first yearin house all the time for the first year in london for her. so i was writing with him all the time. we used to watch this very funny kids show called do not adjust your set , kids show called do not adjust your set, david. jason was in it, but also palin and jones and eric idle and terry gilliam . and eric idle and terry gilliam. and we used to watch it and we'd met her because we all worked for frosty, of course, and one day i said to graham, why don't we do a show with these guys? and we rang them up and they said, yeah, all right. and went to yeah, all right. and we went to a man called barry tucker who used write with marty used to write with marty feldman, fixed a meeting feldman, and he fixed a meeting for us and we went to in see the head light entertainment, who head of light entertainment, who was mills , and we knew was michael mills, and we knew michael a little bit. and he sat

down and he said, i gather you guys would like to do a series. and we said, yes, we would. and he said, well, what do you propose doing ? and there was a propose doing? and there was a silence because we hadn't discussed it . can you believe discussed it. can you believe that? so did you just wing it, just sort of make it up? yeah, well, it was on c c. it7 yeah, well, it was on embarrassing. well, it was on embarrassing. we ethe— well, it was on embarrassing. we eett. wett— well, it was on embarrassing. we said, well, we— well, it was on embarrassing. we said, well, we thought we'd do a comedy show with humorous things in it and jokes, jokes and quite radical to make people laugh. he said, well, you're going to have guest stars. and we said , are we are we going to we said, are we are we going to have this? he said, well, what about music? we said, we haven't really thought about music. and yet offered you the really thought about music. and yet-offered you the well,- yet offered you the well, he yet he offered you the well, he teetet— yet he offered you the well, he teetet et— yet he offered you the well, he teetet at we— yet he offered you the well, he looked at us and— yet he offered you the well, he looked at us and i— yet he offered you the well, he looked at us and i thought, this is looked at us and i thought, this he the— looked at us and i thought, this he the meet— looked at us and i thought, this is the most embarrassing thing twe— is the most embarrassing thing twelteee— is the most embarrassing thing t-we-teee. — is the most embarrassing thing i've-done. this- is the most embarrassing thing i've-done. this is- is the most embarrassing thing i've done. i i've ever done. this is the most important in my important person in my professional life. i make professional life. and i make a complete of it . and he complete fool of it. and he looked and he said, oh, go looked at us and he said, oh, go away and make 13 programmes.

breathtaking i mean, that's never happened in the history of television that a guy has commissioned 13, not a pilot, but 13 programmes without having the slightest idea what he was going to get . it wouldn't going to get. it wouldn't happen.the going to get. it wouldn't happen. the people knowing the slightest idea of what they were going to be doing, it wouldn't happen today, would it? of course it wouldn't have sort of. well, nearest thing is our well, the nearest thing is our series because came series. yes, because they came along and they said to me, we're kgb news. and i said, well, i said, never heard of you . what said, never heard of you. what do you want? they said, you can would you like to do ten one hour shows? and i said, well, doing what? they said, anything you like . i said, what? what? you like. i said, what? what? they said anything you like, do what you like. i mean, nobody's have ever had an offer like that . and we should say it'll be out tater— . and we should say it'll be out tetet te— . and we should say it'll be out tetet he the— . and we should say it'll be out later in the year. _ and we should say it'll be out later in the year. we don't know weeteetw— later in the year. we don't know eteeteetw whee. — later in the year. we don't know precisely when. i— later in the year. we don't know precisely when. i don't know whee— precisely when. i don't know whee we— precisely when. i don't know when we don't— precisely when. i don't know

when we don't know. ' t: precisely when. i don't know when we don't know. ' i ”cl when we don't know. and we're etetttee— when we don't know. and we're starting to record on wednesday. on wednesday. very exciting etwtt. — on wednesday. very exciting etwtt. t— on wednesday. very exciting stuff. i-want_ on wednesday. very exciting stuff. i-wantlsay, - stuff. i just want to say, heeewee— stuff. i just want to say, because . have - stuff. i just want to say, because have got a clip stuff. i just want to say, - because-have got a clip from because we have got a clip from they— because we have got a clip from weetw—teetetl monty python, just to remind heeete—thteel monty python, just to remind. people _thing that people of the kind of thing that you people of the kind of thing that yet get— people of the kind of thing that yet get we— people of the kind of thing that yet get up te— people of the kind of thing that yet get up te. h— people of the kind of thing that you got up to. if can show you got up to. if we can show thet— you got up to. if we can show that we— you got up to. if we can show that we thank— you got up to. if we can show that we thank the _ you got up to. if we can show that we thank the lord that in thy-ceme— that we thank the lord that in ttheeeee ee— that we thank the lord that in thy come on then, what have thy oh, come on then, what have at wee— thy oh, come on then, what have at wew e — thy oh, come on then, what have at wew e vee— thy oh, come on then, what have at you ? you are— thy oh, come on then, what have at you ? /tit iii :: thy oh, come on then, what have at you ? /tit titii :: at you? you are indeed brave tonight, but the fight is mine. oh had enough a look , you stupid oh had enough a look, you stupid . you've got no arms left. yes, i . you've got no arms left. yes, t have — . you've got no arms left. yes, i have. look. just— . you've got no arms left. yes, i have. look. just a- you've got no arms left. yes, i have. just a flesh wound i have. look. just a flesh wound . teet— i have. look. just a flesh wound . teet. stee— i have. look. just a flesh wound . look. stop that— i have. just a flesh wound . look. stop that chicken. chtetee— . look. stop that chicken. chicken look.— . look. stop that chicken. chicken look. i'll have your leg eght— chicken look. i'll have your leg eght ,— chicken look. i'll have your leg eght , tttght— chicken look. i'll have your leg eght , tttght ,— chicken look. i'll have your leg right, right, right. i'll do you for right, right, right. i'll do you tee that.— right, right, right. i'll do you for that. you— right, right, right. i'll do you for that. you what? come . for that. you what? come. teeteette— for that. you what? come. teeteette .— for that. you what? come. fantastic . and— for that. you what? come. fantastic . and ._ for that. you what? come. fantastic . and . that's- for that. you what? come. fantastic . and . that's and john. fantastic. and. that's and john. that's. that's you in the in the armour. that's you. actually, the teeth— armour. that's you. actually, the teeth te— armour. that's you. actually, the truth is, it's— armour. that's you. actually, the truth is, it's me- armour. that's you. actually, the truth is, it's me in- ” actually, the truth is, it's me in the thew— the truth is, it's me in the eeew tttt— the truth is, it's me in the they tttt t— the truth is, it's me in the army till i have- the truth is, it's me in the army till i have my leg chopped ett. — army till i have my leg chopped ett. oh.— army till i have my leg chopped ett. oh. aet— army till i have my leg chopped off. oh. and then— army till i have my leg chopped off. oh. and then they- army till i have my leg chopped off. t: titi off. oh. and then they get a stunt double. then we got a

eeeeeet. — stunt double. then we got a monopod. some— stunt double. then we got a monopod. some a- t:tit. then we got a monopod. some a one legged eeeee— monopod. some a one legged eeeee wee.— monopod. some a one legged person. yes. who— monopod. some a one legged person. yes. who was really, teeth— person. yes. who was really, teettw geet— person. yes. who was really, teettw geet et— person. yes. who was really, really good at hopping . and really good at hopping. and whate— really good at hopping. and whete t— really good at hopping. and what? i loved— really good at hopping. and what? i loved his name was ttehett— what? i loved his name was richard burton— what? i loved his name was richard burton ._ what? i loved his name was richard burton . and he was richard burton. and he was a ettweteeetth— richard burton. and he was a silversmith in— richard burton. and he was a silversmith in the city of teetee— silversmith in the city of london and _ silversmith in the city of london and he took over the hopping— london and he took over the hopping .— london and he took over the hopping . het— london and he took over the hopping - but up— london and he took over the hopping. but up to london and he took over the hopping . but up to that london and he took over the hopping. but up to that time whet-e— hopping. but up to that time now, what's so— hopping. but up to that time now, what's so funny about that is now, what's so funny about that he thet— now, what's so funny about that he that twe— now, what's so funny about that is that i've watched that film wtth — is that i've watched that film wtth ee — is that i've watched that film with an audience— is that i've watched that film with an audience , holy grail. i with an audience, holy grail. i watched— with an audience, holy grail. i wetehet ht— with an audience, holy grail. i watched it probably 40 times thet— watched it probably 40 times that .— watched it probably 40 times that . thet— watched it probably 40 times that . that is— watched it probably 40 times that. that is the— watched it probably 40 times that . that is the scene that that. that is the scene that gete— that. that is the scene that gete the— that. that is the scene that gets the most— that. that is the scene that gets the most hysterical tewghtee— gets the most hysterical tewghtee a— gets the most hysterical laughter. a scene where the man hewteg— laughter. a scene where the man hewteg hte— laughter. a scene where the man having his arms— laughter. a scene where the man having his arms and legs off, you— having his arms and legs off, wew eee— having his arms and legs off, wew ht— having his arms and legs off, wew tt att— having his arms and legs off, you see it all depends on the eeetewt— you see it all depends on the eeetewt .— you see it all depends on the eeetewt . he— you see it all depends on the context . do you— you see it all depends on the context . do you see what i mean? context. do you see what i mean? the— context. do you see what i mean? the the— context. do you see what i mean? and the problem— context. do you see what i mean? and the problem with a lot of the eettee— and the problem with a lot of the critics of— and the problem with a lot of the critics of comedy is they tee-t— the critics of comedy is they don't understand it. the idea of eeetext— don't understand it. the idea of eeetewt . — don't understand it. the idea of eeetewt . vee— don't understand it. the idea of context . t/tit; die; ' t: don't understand it. the idea of context. v/ti; t: context. yes, absolutely. and so making that film , that was a bit making that film, that was a bit of a departure because you would then suddenly developing big long narratives and of course, the in python's the sketches in monty python's flying circus. so were flying circus. so we were very het— flying circus. so we were very tee—get- flying circus. so we were very tee—get ttl bad at narratives. we got it

eght— bad at narratives. we got it eght eeee— bad at narratives. we got it right once, and— bad at narratives. we got it right once, and was life of right once, and that was life of thee— right once, and that was life of thee-et— right once, and that was life of brian,-of brian. - right once, and that was life of brian, of brian. tv/tit; brian, life of brian. yes, theetwtetw. — brian, life of brian. yes, absolutely. you - brian, life of brian. yes, absolutely. you think absolutely. you don't think you got it right in holy grail? i thought you did. well, it thought you did. well, no, it was of sketches and a was just a lot of sketches and a terrible ending. people why terrible ending. people say, why is terrible ending. people say, why he the— terrible ending. people say, why he thte te— terrible ending. people say, why he thte te e— ti: 3 people say, why is this is a disappointing eettege— is this is a disappointing ending? answer is is this is a disappointing- ending?-answer is we ending? and the answer is we eewtte-t— ending? and the answer is we couldn't think— ending? and the answer is we couldn't think of— ending? and the answer is we couldn't think of anything better— couldn't think of anything better now— couldn't think of anything better now the ending, the better now at the ending, the tethe— better now at the ending, the hettee-ee— better now at the ending, the hettee-ee tet- better now at the ending, the police on and just arrest police come on and just arrest the— police come on and just arrest the eeet. — police come on and just arrest the eeet. tt-e— police come on and just arrest the cast. it's terrible ending the cast. it's a terrible ending - _g— the cast. it's a terrible ending . —e ttttte- the cast. it's a terrible endingj . _a little about . but let's talk a little about just quickly about life of brian, because of brian brian, because life of brian does feel so coherent and so sort of narrative wise. it was a very, movie, i think. very, very good movie, i think. and it was recently voted by teteteet— and it was recently voted by internet film _ and it was recently voted by internet film critics, iith tweeteet— internet film critics, iith funniest film - internet film critics, iith funniest film ever made a holy gett— funniest film ever made a holy etett we— funniest film ever made a holy grail was ninth.— funniest film ever made a holy grail was ninth. yes. so we got to grail was ninth. yes. so we got te wee— grail was ninth. yes. so we got te yet get— grail was ninth. yes. so we got te yet get te— grail was ninth. yes. so we got te yet get te te— grail was ninth. yes. so we got to you got to in there pretty geet. — to you got to in there pretty geet. aet— to you got to in there pretty good. and yeah,- to you got to in there pretty good. t: to you got to in there pretty good. ' gilt?" . gig good. and yeah, it's absolutely hilarious. but of course, it all happened because of naughty happened because of a naughty thing said, because thing that eric said, because after the success of holy grail , we were having an indian restaurant with a journalist and he said , what are you going to he said, what are you going to do you next? what's and eric, whe— do you next? what's and eric, whe hate-t— do you next? what's and eric, who hadn't talked—

t:tit "tixi’ what's and eric, who hadn't talked about it with any who hadn't talked about it with eew et— who hadn't talked about it with eew et we— who hadn't talked about it with we et eate— who hadn't talked about it with any of us, said, we're going to hete— any of us, said, we're going to mete e— any of us, said, we're going to mete e ttte — any of us, said, we're going to make a film called jesus christ teet— make a film called jesus christ teet tet— make a film called jesus christ teet tee etew— make a film called jesus christ teet tee etew .— make a film called jesus christ lust for glory . and he just lust for glory. and he just eetet— lust for glory. and he just eett. ht— lust for glory. and he just said, it came— lust for glory. and he just said, it came out of nowhere . said, it came out of nowhere. aet— said, it came out of nowhere. eee thee— said, it came out of nowhere. eee thee wee— said, it came out of nowhere. and then you were— said, it came out of nowhere. and then you were committed, right? we all screamed with teeghtet— right? we all screamed with teeghtet eee— ” 37 we all screamed with laughter and suddenly said , laughter and suddenly said, aeteettw— laughter and suddenly said, teteettw tt-e— laughter and suddenly said, actually, it's rather a good the — actually, it's rather a good idea. nobody's_ actually, it's rather a good idea. nobody's ever made a eeeetw— idea. nobody's ever made a eeeetw eet— idea. nobody's ever made a comedy set in— idea. nobody's ever made a comedy set in the holy land at the tee— comedy set in the holy land at the ttee et— comedy set in the holy land at the time of christ.— comedy set in the holy land at the time of christ. i mean, you thew.— the time of christ. i mean, you teew. tweettw— the time of christ. i mean, you know. exactly. it's— the time of christ. i mean, you know. exactly. it's an unusual eehteet— know. exactly. it's an unusual eehteet tet— know. exactly. it's an unusual eehteet tee e— know. exactly. it's an unusual subject for a comedy, but eeteettw— subject for a comedy, but eeteettw .— subject for a comedy, but actually , i've— subject for a comedy, but actually , i've adapted it. i've actually, i've adapted it. i've teee— actually, i've adapted it. i've teee e— actually, i've adapted it. i've done a version— actually, i've adapted it. i've done a version of— actually, i've adapted it. i've done a version of it for the teetee— done a version of it for the london stage,— done a version of it for the london stage, which i think will be london stage, which i think will he eetteg— london stage, which i think will be making next— london stage, which i think will be making next year. f be making next year. fantastic. veeh. — be making next year. fantastic. veeh. aet— be making next year. fantastic. yeah. and then quickly, just we haven't got much time, but i want to talk you briefly want to talk to you briefly about fawlty towers, because, you such classic. you know, it's such a classic. it again as it comes up again and again as the of all time, and the best sitcom of all time, and yet not everyone was convinced at the start. oh no. the interesting thing- at the start. oh no. the interesting thing is- the interesting thing is you never thew— interesting thing is you never know whether— interesting thing is you never know whether what you're going to know whether what you're going te te — know whether what you're going te te te— know whether what you're going te te te geteg— know whether what you're going te te te geteg te— know whether what you're going to do is going to be successful . wett— to do is going to be successful . wett t— to do is going to be successful . well, i mean,— to do is going to be successful . well, i mean, i've— to do is going to be successful . well, i mean, i've been doing eeeetw— . well, i mean, i've been doing eeeetw eo— . well, i mean, i've been doing comedy 60 years,— . well, i mean, i've been doing comedy 60 years, and i know now thet— comedy 60 years, and i know now that-something's- comedy 60 years, and i know now that something's funny that whether something's funny or that whether something's funny et het— that whether something's funny et eet. het— that whether something's funny or not, butldon't_ that whether something's funny or not, but don't know whether or not, but i don't know whether it's or not, but i don't know whether

tt-e-teeew— or not, but i don't know whether tt-e-teeew et— or not, but i don't know whether it's-funny or that- or not, but i don't know whether it's funny or that funny, it's that funny or that funny, i teeth— it's that funny or that funny, i teettw tee-t.— it's that funny or that funny, i teettw tee-t. t— it's that funny or that funny, i really don't. i have to do it in treet— really don't. i have to do it in tweet et— really don't. i have to do it in tweet et ee— really don't. i have to do it in front of an audience and i etwewe— front of an audience and i etwewe eew— front of an audience and i etwewe eew ew— front of an audience and i always say my co—writers are the eetteeee — always say my co—writers are the eetteeee vee— always say my co—writers are the audience. yes, but— always say my co—writers are the audience. yes, but not no no success was ever— audience. yes, but not no no success was ever guaranteed . i success was ever guaranteed. i mean, when python came out for the thet— mean, when python came out for the thet thee.— mean, when python came out for the first time, no— mean, when python came out for the first time, no critic picked it the first time, no critic picked tt eut— the first time, no critic picked tt eet ee— the first time, no critic picked it out as being— the first time, no critic picked it out as being good. that seems eeezteg— it out as being good. that seems eeezteg te— it out as being good. that seems eeezteg te ee— it out as being good. that seems amazing to me. the— it out as being good. that seems amazing to me. the head of heeeheeet— amazing to me. the head of department at— amazing to me. the head of department at tom sloan bumped into department at tom sloan bumped tete the— department at tom sloan bumped into the director— department at tom sloan bumped into the director in— department at tom sloan bumped into the director in in an etewetet— into the director in in an elevator and— into the director in in an elevator and he said, what is the— elevator and he said, what is thte hwthee— elevator and he said, what is this python thing ? erg. is it this python thing? erg. is it eeeeeeet— this python thing? erg. is it eeeeeeet te— this python thing? erg. is it supposed to be— this python thing? erg. is it supposed to be funny ? i think supposed to be funny? i think it's supposed to be funny? i think he ewtet — supposed to be funny? i think it's awful. now,— supposed to be funny? i think it's awful. now, he was the head of it's awful. now, he was the head et the— it's awful. now, he was the head of the department.— it's awful. now, he was the head of the department. then four weete— of the department. then four weete tetee— of the department. then four weeks later, when the heads of the departments— weeks later, when the heads of the departments met to discuss the departments met to discuss the ew— the departments met to discuss the new programmes , six out of the new programmes, six out of etght— the new programmes, six out of etght et— the new programmes, six out of etght et thee— the new programmes, six out of eight of them didn't like it and et— eight of them didn't like it and eett et— eight of them didn't like it and sort of thought— eight of them didn't like it and sort of thought it— eight of them didn't like it and sort of thought it ought not to be sort of thought it ought not to he tree. — sort of thought it ought not to he tree. se— sort of thought it ought not to be true. so the— sort of thought it ought not to be true. so the thing that you teete— be true. so the thing that you teete ee— be true. so the thing that you teete ee wee— be true. so the thing that you learn as you get— be true. so the thing that you learn as you get older and it's het— learn as you get older and it's eet teet— learn as you get older and it's eet teet tree— learn as you get older and it's not just true of— learn as you get older and it's not just true of show business, het— not just true of show business, but he— not just true of show business, but he wee— not just true of show business, but it's very true— not just true of show business, but it's very true of show heeteeee— but it's very true of show business that— but it's very true of show business that the people at the top business that the people at the tee hewe— business that the people at the top have almost— business that the people at the top have almost no idea what thew-te— top have almost no idea what they're teteg— top have almost no idea what they're doing or— top have almost no idea what they're doing or what or what

thew-te— they're doing or what or what they're talking— they're doing or what or what they're talking about . and they're talking about. and successful— they're talking about. and successful programs usually eeeeeet— successful programs usually succeed despite _ successful programs usually succeed despite them. and how did succeed despite them. and how ttt thew— succeed despite them. and how ttt thew teet— succeed despite them. and how did they feel about fawlty tee— did they feel about fawlty towers with _ did they feel about fawlty towers with the executives on teete— towers with the executives on heett wtth— towers with the executives on board with that— towers with the executives on board with that ?_ towers with the executives on board with that ? well, the guy board with that? well, the guy whe— board with that? well, the guy who commissioned it, a lovely eettet— who commissioned it, a lovely man called jemmy gilbert , i'd man called jemmy gilbert, i'd wettet— man called jemmy gilbert, i'd wettet wtth— man called jemmy gilbert, i'd worked with on— man called jemmy gilbert, i'd worked with on the frost wegeeeeee— worked with on the frost programmes he commissioned it, worked with on the frost progafternes he commissioned it, worked with on the frost progafter the he commissioned it, worked with on the frost progafter the firstimmissioned it, worked with on the frost progafter the first show;sioned it, worked with on the frost progafter the first show he ned it, but after the first show he eet.— but after the first show he eett. tehe— but after the first show he said, john, you're going to have to said, john, you're going to have te get— said, john, you're going to have te get them— said, john, you're going to have to get them out— said, john, you're going to have to get them out of— said, john, you're going to have to get them out of the hotel . to get them out of the hotel. hete— to get them out of the hotel. more complete _ to get them out of the hotel. more complete wrong, completely weeg — more complete wrong, completely weeg tet— more complete wrong, completely weg the he— more complete wrong, completely wrong. and he was— more complete wrong, completely wrong. and he was the head of heeeheeet— wrong. and he was the head of heeetteeet .— wrong. and he was the head of department . so— wrong. and he was the head of department . so you kind of get department. so you kind of get to department. so you kind of get he the— department. so you kind of get he the tee— department. so you kind of get to the point as— department. so you kind of get to the point as you get older eet— to the point as you get older eet wee— to the point as you get older eet wee eteetw— to the point as you get older and you simply know that they hewe— and you simply know that they hewe ee— and you simply know that they hewe he the— and you simply know that they have no idea what they're tettteg— have no idea what they're talking about.— have no idea what they're talking about. i wrote a script for talking about. i wrote a script tee e— talking about. i wrote a script for a woman in— talking about. i wrote a script for a woman in disney and she teet— for a woman in disney and she teet the— for a woman in disney and she read the first— for a woman in disney and she read the first script. she said, we read the first script. she said, we tee-t— read the first script. she said, we tee-t get— read the first script. she said, we don't get scripts like this. the— we don't get scripts like this. thte te— we don't get scripts like this. thte te 75g.— we don't get scripts like this. this is 75% of— we don't get scripts like this. this is 75% of the way there. wee. — this is 75% of the way there. wee. aet— this is 75% of the way there. yes. and then— this is 75% of the way there. yes. and then she gave me six eetee— yes. and then she gave me six eetee eet— yes. and then she gave me six eetee eet t— yes. and then she gave me six notes and i emailed her, do you weet— notes and i emailed her, do you weet eewthteg— notes and i emailed her, do you want anything else— notes and i emailed her, do you want anything else change? and eeett— want anything else change? and eeett tree — want anything else change? and apart from these— want anything else change? and apart from these six, didn't hee— apart from these six, didn't heet teet— apart from these six, didn't heet heet .— apart from these six, didn't hear back . we— apart from these six, didn't hear back . we changed those six. hear back. we changed those six. we hear back. we changed those six. we-ee— hear back. we changed those six. we-ee hetttew— hear back. we changed those six. we-ee hetttew .— hear back. we changed those six. we-on holiday . we- hear back. we changed those six. we on holiday . we found we went on holiday. we found whee— we went on holiday. we found whee-tweet.— we went on holiday. we found when-back, they- we went on holiday. we found when back, they were when we got back, they were ttghtteg. — when we got back, they were lighting, looking for lighting, they were looking for

wetete— lighting, they were looking for wetete .— lighting, they were looking for new writers . what? what well, new writers. what? what well, you— new writers. what? what well, wee thee-t— new writers. what? what well, you didn't take— new writers. what? what well, you didn't take any notice of the— you didn't take any notice of the eeeet— you didn't take any notice of the script notes— you didn't take any notice of the script notes we sent you and i the script notes we sent you and t teetet— the script notes we sent you and t teetet et— the script notes we sent you and t teetet et ew— the script notes we sent you and i looked at my co—writer . he i looked at my co—writer. he eete— i looked at my co—writer. he eett. t— i looked at my co—writer. he said, i didn't— i looked at my co—writer. he said, i didn't show them to you. i said, i didn't show them to you. t thew— said, i didn't show them to you. t teew wee-t— said, i didn't show them to you. t teew wee-t get— said, i didn't show them to you. i knew you'd get cross. and she eete— i knew you'd get cross. and she eett. het— i knew you'd get cross. and she said, but these _ i knew you'd get cross. and she said, but these are— i knew you'd get cross. and she said, but these are the things i weet— said, but these are the things i weet teee— said, but these are the things i want done. and— said, but these are the things i want done. and i— said, but these are the things i want done. and i looked at them eet— want done. and i looked at them eet t— want done. and i looked at them eet t eete— want done. and i looked at them eet t eett. wee— want done. and i looked at them and i said, you know, i'm ewtettw— and i said, you know, i'm awfully sorry. _ and i said, you know, i'm awfully sorry. i- and i said, you know, i'm awfully sorry. i don't think i te— awfully sorry. i don't think i te thte— awfully sorry. i don't think i can do this. and— awfully sorry. i don't think i can do this. and she said, you eee-t— can do this. and she said, you eee-t te— can do this. and she said, you eee-t te ht.— can do this. and she said, you eee-t te t. t— can do this. and she said, you can't do it. i said,— can do this. and she said, you can't do it. i said, i- can do this. and she said, you can't do it. i said, i don't the— can't do it. i said, i don't thtet ee— can't do it. i said, i don't think so. and— can't do it. i said, i don't think so. and she said, why not? the— think so. and she said, why not? the t— think so. and she said, why not? the t-wett— think so. and she said, why not? the t-wett the— think so. and she said, why not? and i-well, i'm i- think so. and she said, why not? and i well, i'm i don't and i said, well, i'm i don't thew— and i said, well, i'm i don't teew hew— and i said, well, i'm i don't teew hew te— and i said, well, i'm i don't know how to make it worse as i wette— know how to make it worse as i weett he— know how to make it worse as i weett he twteg— know how to make it worse as i would be trying to— know how to make it worse as i would be trying to make it better.— would be trying to make it hettee wee.— would be trying to make it better. yes. and- would be trying to make it better. yes. and that's not what wee-te— better. yes. and that's not what wee ettet— better. yes. and that's not what wee-e ettet .— better. yes. and that's not what you're after. and— better. yes. and that's not what you're after. and no idea what ehe— you're after. and no idea what ehe wee— you're after. and no idea what ehe teteg— you're after. and no idea what she was doing wrong. . she was doing wrong. it's incredible. _ she was doing wrong. it's incredible. and- she was doing wrong. it's incredible. and just finally , incredible. and just finally, because we don't have much time, but please tell us what happened when fawlty towers almost went to were to america because they were trying it. well they trying to change it. well they did it three times. they tried to did it three times. they tried te teeteteee— did it three times. they tried to reproduce it— did it three times. they tried to reproduce it in— t: t: . ”cc: c they tried to reproduce it in america. they tettet— to reproduce it in america. they tettet ewew— to reproduce it in america. they failed every-the- to reproduce it in america. they failed every the time failed every time. the last time i i failed every time. the last time t—t bumpedl i hadn't been told, i bumped hete— i hadn't been told, i bumped tete ee— i hadn't been told, i bumped into some people they said, into some people and they said, oh, into some people and they said, eh wee— into some people and they said, oh. wee weee— into some people and they said, oh, you john cleese. we just heeght— oh, you john cleese. we just heeght the— oh, you john cleese. we just

bought the rights to make fawlty tee— bought the rights to make fawlty tee te— bought the rights to make fawlty tee te te— bought the rights to make fawlty towers in in in— bought the rights to make fawlty towers in in in america. and i eete— towers in in in america. and i sgt .— towers in in in america. and i eett . chee— towers in in in america. and i said , ching, ching, you know, oh said, ching, ching, you know, oh . eet— said, ching, ching, you know, oh . eet t— said, ching, ching, you know, oh . eet t eete— said, ching, ching, you know, oh , and i said, are— said, ching, ching, you know, oh , and i said, are you going to eete— , and i said, are you going to mete the— , and i said, are you going to make the changes? because tmeheeee— make the changes? because americans aren't used to little temttw— americans aren't used to little temttw hetete. — americans aren't used to little family hotels. they know. no, they— family hotels. they know. no, thew eete— family hotels. they know. no, they said we've— family hotels. they know. no, they said we've had. well, he eete— they said we've had. well, he eetee-hewe— they said we've had. well, he said, have changed something. they said we've had. well, he said, said,ive changed something. they said we've had. well, he said, said, well,anged something. they said we've had. well, he said, said, well, what'ssomething. they said we've had. well, he said, said, well, what's that?hing. and i said, well, what's that? t hey— and i said, well, what's that?| thew—heett they said, we've written basil out they said, we've written basil eet .— they said, we've written basil eet . at— they said, we've written basil out . at aukus_ they said, we've written basil out . at aukus .— they said, we've written basil out . at aukus . absolutely true . out. at aukus. absolutely true. teet— out. at aukus. absolutely true. we treet— out. at aukus. absolutely true. test test the— out. at aukus. absolutely true. just trust the creatives. - out. at aukus. absolutely true. just trust the creatives. i- just trust the creatives. i think that's the way. john, we are out of time, but thanks so much for coming on today. i know you're not going . oh, well, i you're not going. oh, well, i wish you're not going. oh, well, i wteh wee— you're not going. oh, well, i wish you could. _ you're not going. oh, well, i wish you could. sorry,- you're not going. oh, well, i wish you could. sorry, i'm not going. i like this lot. i wish it could just be— going. i like this lot. i wish it could just be you- going. i like this lot. i wish it could just be you for- git g c i wish it could just be you for the whete— it could just be you for the whole show.— it could just be you for the whole show. but it can't be, unfortunately. _ whole show. but it can't be, unfortunately. but coming up on mee— unfortunately. but coming up on tree speech— unfortunately. but coming up on free speech nation, after the eetee— free speech nation, after the spiked columnist fraser myers is twteg— spiked columnist fraser myers is twteg te— spiked columnist fraser myers is twteg te te— spiked columnist fraser myers is twteg te te e— spiked columnist fraser myers is trying to do a serious link here.— trying to do a serious link hee- hee— trying to do a serious link here. john fraser myers called out here. john fraser myers called eet wh— here. john fraser myers called out mp andrew— here. john fraser myers called out mp andrew bridgen for his eeteteee— out mp andrew bridgen for his eeteteee ee— out mp andrew bridgen for his opinions on the— out mp andrew bridgen for his opinions on the safety of the cowh— opinions on the safety of the

town tet— opinions on the safety of the covid 19 vaccine. _ opinions on the safety of the covid 19 vaccine. the two of them — covid 19 vaccine. the two of them ee— covid 19 vaccine. the two of them geteg— covid 19 vaccine. the two of them are going to go to head to heed— them are going to go to head to heed hete— them are going to go to head to heed hete te— them are going to go to head to head here in the— them are going to go to head to head here in the studio. don't go head here in the studio. don't ge eewwhete— head here in the studio. don't ge eewwhete .— head here in the studio. don't go anywhere . okay tuc

rational debate. we've got to work out how britain moves forward from this. join us . forward from this. join us. here welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle . so nation with me andrew doyle. so later in the show, i'm going tectit“ ' t: t so later in the show, i'm going to be later in the show, i'm going to he temteg— later in the show, i'm going to he temteg egeew— later in the show, i'm going to be turning agony uncle with the hete— be turning agony uncle with the hete et— be turning agony uncle with the hete et mw— be turning agony uncle with the help of my wonderful panel. teete— help of my wonderful panel. bruce devlin _ help of my wonderful panel. bruce devlin and steve n allen. tet— bruce devlin and steve n allen. the were— bruce devlin and steve n allen. tee geteg— bruce devlin and steve n allen. and we're going to— bruce devlin and steve n allen. and we're going to help you deal wtth— and we're going to help you deal with-unfiltered— and we're going to help you deal with unfiltered dilemmas. and we're going to help you deal with you unfiltered dilemmas. and we're going to help you deal with you unfiltereproblems as. and we're going to help you deal with you unfiltereproblems at have you got any problems at eth— have you got any problems at all? however— have you got any problems at all? however personal doesn't mettee — all? however personal doesn't matter. squeamish. matter. we're not squeamish. weet— matter. we're not squeamish. weet-et— just email us at gbviews@gbnews.uk. we'll just email us at— gbviews@gbnews.uk. we'll do our tewet— gbviews@gbnews.uk. we'll do our tewet teet— gbviews@gbnews.uk. we'll do our tewet heet te— gbviews@gbnews.uk. we'll do our level best to answer all of your te— level best to answer all of your issues. is there _ level best to answer all of your issues. is there was— level best to answer all of your issues. is there was a time in hteteew— issues. is there was a time in htetew whee— issues. is there was a time in history when the— issues. is there was a time in history when the term anti—vaxxer- history when the term anti—vaxxer or the phrase gone tewe— anti—vaxxer or the phrase gone tewe e— anti—vaxxer or the phrase gone tewe e tehhtt— anti—vaxxer or the phrase gone down a rabbit hole were eeeetgeet— down a rabbit hole were consigned mainly to websites tetteetet— consigned mainly to websites dedicated to— consigned mainly to websites dedicated to conspiracy theehee— dedicated to conspiracy theories. but- dedicated to conspiracy theories. but since the eeetemte— theories. but since the pandemic, an entire community of teeth— pandemic, an entire community of eeeete whe— pandemic, an entire community of eeeete whe-the— pandemic, an entire community of people who the efficacy people who doubt the efficacy eet— people who doubt the efficacy eet-et— people who doubt the efficacy eet-et the— people who doubt the efficacy and-of the covm- people who doubt the efficacy and of the covid 19 and safety of the covid 19 vaccine has— and safety of the covid 19 vaccine has emerged . they point

vaccine has emerged. they point to vaccine has emerged. they point te-eteeet— vaccine has emerged. they point to-around vaccine- vaccine has emerged. they point to around vaccine harms to to data around vaccine harms to etteegthee— to data around vaccine harms to strengthen their— to data around vaccine harms to strengthen their calls for an tegetw— strengthen their calls for an tegetw hete— strengthen their calls for an inquiry into the— strengthen their calls for an inquiry into the role. big theme— inquiry into the role. big pharma has— inquiry into the role. big pharma has played the pharma has played during the tetteet— pharma has played during the tetteet. het— pharma has played during the rollout. but others argue that the-whe— rollout. but others argue that the-whe ee- rollout. but others argue that the who are vaccinated the millions who are vaccinated eet— the millions who are vaccinated eetleheet— the millions who are vaccinated and-about living— the millions who are vaccinated and about living lives and go about living their lives as and go about living their lives ee-eeggeete- and go about living their lives as-suggests-thel as normal suggests that the etteet— as normal suggests that the extent - adverse - as normal suggests that the extent adverse effects extent of the adverse effects hee— extent of the adverse effects has-exaggerated - extent of the adverse effects has exaggerated . now, has been exaggerated. now, eetttet— has been exaggerated. now, earlier this— has been exaggerated. now, earlier this week, spiked columnist— earlier this week, spiked columnist fraser myers entered the etgemeet— columnist fraser myers entered the argument with article the argument with an article eettttet— the argument with an article entitled the— the argument with an article entitled the delusions of andrew hetgee— entitled the delusions of andrew bridgen, referring— entitled the delusions of andrew bridgen, referring to the mp who was bridgen, referring to the mp who expelled— bridgen, referring to the mp who was expelled -the - was expelled from the conservative - was expelled from the conservative party for he conservative party for what he eettet— conservative party for what he called-concerns- conservative party for what he called concerns about called raising concerns about eetetw. — called raising concerns about vaccine safety. i'm absolutely tettghtet— vaccine safety. i'm absolutely tettghtet te— vaccine safety. i'm absolutely delighted to welcome both andrew hetgee— delighted to welcome both andrew hetgee eet— delighted to welcome both andrew bridgen and fraser— delighted to welcome both andrew bridgen and fraser myers to free speech— bridgen and fraser myers to free seeeeh wettee— bridgen and fraser myers to free seeeeh wettee .— bridgen and fraser myers to free speech nation . thank you both . speech nation. thank you both. the— speech nation. thank you both. the meet— speech nation. thank you both. the theet wee— speech nation. thank you both. and thank you both ever so much for and thank you both ever so much tee eemteg. — and thank you both ever so much tee eemteg. tet— and thank you both ever so much for coming. and particularly heeeee— for coming. and particularly heeeee t— for coming. and particularly because i think— for coming. and particularly because i think it's very ttttteett. — because i think it's very difficult. it— because i think it's very difficult. it takes lot of difficult. it takes a lot of tetegetw— difficult. it takes a lot of tetegetw te— difficult. it takes a lot of integrity to face your critics integrity to face your critics he the — integrity to face your critics in the flesh,— integrity to face your critics in the flesh, but— integrity to face your critics in the flesh, but also to face theee— in the flesh, but also to face theee whe — in the flesh, but also to face those who you— in the flesh, but also to face those who you have criticised in the—tt-e- the flesh. and i think it's teettw— the flesh. and i think it's teettw-weehel the flesh. and i think it's. really _you're both really great that you're both here.— really great that you're both here—ceme- really great that you're both here._come toi really great that you're both i here._come to you here. i'm going to come to you met— here. i'm going to come to you met. theee— here. i'm going to come to you first, fraser, because wrote first, fraser, because you wrote the—wteh. - first, fraser, because you wrote the—miall. can- the article luke miall. can you tett—htt— the article luke miall. can you tell-bit about- the article luke miall. can you tell-bit about the. tell us a little bit about the etttete— tell us a little bit about the etttete-whw— tell us a little bit about the article-why you- tell us a little bit about the article why you felt you article and why you felt you meet— article and why you felt you eeetet te— article and why you felt you needed to write— article and why you felt you needed to write it? yeah. so twe— needed to write it? yeah. so the—tet- needed to write it? yeah. so t-we—tet tee- needed to write it? yeah. so i've—for for, a. i've been worried for for, a while the of while about the rise of

anti—vaccine conspiracy theorists. a while at theorists. and for a while at least, it seemed as if this was just thing on the internet. just a thing on the internet. you you could ignore you know, maybe you could ignore it. a bit harmless. you know, maybe you could ignore it. a a bit harmless. you know, maybe you could ignore it. a lot a bit harmless. you know, maybe you could ignore it. a lot of a bit harmless. you know, maybe you could ignore it. a lot of aa bit harmless. you know, maybe you could ignore it. a lot of a fringe, rmless. you know, maybe you could ignore it. a lot of a fringe, butass. just a lot of a fringe, but a very vocal fringe. but now we have mp among that ranks. have an mp among that ranks. that's saying that's andrew bridgen saying right say he's that's andrew bridgen saying righ' raising say he's that's andrew bridgen saying righ'raising concerns say he's that's andrew bridgen saying righ'raising concerns about he's just raising concerns about vaccine say he's vaccine safety. he'll say he's just asking questions that others daren't ask, but actually , you a of what he , you know, a lot of what he says really, really says is really, really indefensible. instance , indefensible. so for instance, he has compared the vaccine rollout to a crime against humanity , possibly the worst humanity, possibly the worst since holocaust . but he has since the holocaust. but he has said that the pandemic is planned. he said that the virus and the vaccine were developed in by the united states department of defence and that we can soon expect our politicians and medical officials to be arrested. he said that the vaccine harms are so bad that they are the cause of the majority of excess deaths in the uk. now that would mean that they're more dangerous than covid, more dangerous than the 7 million long nhs waiting list. now if those aren't vaccine anti—vax conspiracy theories,

then i don't know what is. well, let's ask andrew bridgen htmeett. — well, let's ask andrew bridgen himself. what— well, let's ask andrew bridgen himself. what do— well, let's ask andrew bridgen himself. what do you make of thet— himself. what do you make of thet eeeettte— himself. what do you make of that specific those specific ettegetteee— that specific those specific allegations as— that specific those specific allegations as guilty, as ehetget— allegations as guilty, as charged-i've- allegations as guilty, as charged i've the allegations as guilty, as- charged-i've-the science charged and i've got the science thet— charged and i've got the science thet-ett— charged and i've got the science that-alllthat- charged and i've got the science that-alllthat up. l that will back all of that up. whet— that will back all of that up. whet te— that will back all of that up. whet to we— that will back all of that up. what do we know— that will back all of that up. what do we know about- that will back all of that up. what do we know about the vaccine rollout ? that there's vaccine rollout? that there's more yellow card reports of harms from the vaccines for the last 40 years? figures from florida . for 1,600% increase in florida. for 1,600% increase in reports of vaccine side effects and the rollout of the covid 19 vaccines is only a 400% increase in vaccinated nation . 400 in vaccinated nation. 400 doesn't go into 16. it's just not how it's going to work. so andrew andrew, four times the four times the problems with these vaccines , they've never these vaccines, they've never gone through phase three trials. they experiment all and we they are experiment all and we were rolling them out to children in there's children children in there's no children , healthy children, young children have ever died of covid. but there is a clear side effects from the vaccines. why are doing fraser? is it

are we doing this? fraser? is it are we doing this? fraser? is it are these experimental? - are we doing this? fraser? is it are these experimental? no, thew-te— are these experimental? no, they're eet— are these experimental? no, they're not experimental. they're gene therapy either, they're not gene therapy either, which common thing which is like a common thing that anti—vax . yeah, they're not that anti—vax. yeah, they're not because they actually because they don't actually alter people's dna, they're alter people's dna, so they're not as gene therapy. not classed as gene therapy. they're because they're not experimental because they clinical they have gone through clinical trials. phase three trials trials. the phase three trials have concluded. so it's just not you're not denying that people have effects . all have had adverse effects. all medicines have side effects . and medicines have side effects. and no medicine is entirely 100% effective. but what we're talking about here is you know, you point to say, for instance, let's talk about the yellow card scheme, instance . this a scheme, for instance. this is a way people reporting the way of people reporting the adverse reactions they've had from . now, the from the vaccine. now, the implication andrew is that implication from andrew is that this is a crime against humanity, that people are humanity, that these people are practically door . practically at death's door. actually, vast majority of actually, the vast majority of these are to do with these reports are to do with people having sore arms , people people having sore arms, people feeling feeling feeling dizzy, people feeling nauseous kind of thing nauseous, not the kind of thing that to have long term that is going to have long term adverse health impacts. so, andrew, you make just to andrew, what do you make just to bnng andrew, what do you make just to bring in grossly bring you in so grossly exaggerated? do take the exaggerated? do you take the three — exaggerated? do you take the theee-thet- exaggerated? do you take the. phrase _that sometimes phrase this point that sometimes theee— phrase this point that sometimes theee thtege— phrase this point that sometimes these things are— phrase this point that sometimes these things are conflated? you

thew.— these things are conflated? you thew-herme— these things are conflated? you know,-harms-are- these things are conflated? you know, harms are lesser know, the harms that are lesser eet—mete- know, the harms that are lesser| and the harms that are more so thew-te—ttege- they're just normal drugs like all they're just normal drugs like ett-ethete— they're just normal drugs like all others, they've been all the others, and they've been tettw—thet- all the others, and they've been fully—that case,- all the others, and they've been fully—that case, whyi fully tested. in that case, why do vaccine manufacturers do the vaccine manufacturers acquire from the acquire full immunity from the harms their products may harms that their products may cause before they'll release them? india is very shortly going to be the largest population in world, the population in the world, the biggest for market drugs in the world. and pfizer have never rolled out any of their vaccine, their experimental vaccines in india, because the indian government won't them government won't give them immunity prosecution immunity from prosecution for the they these are not new the harms they these are not new drugs. they've been now rolled out for over two years. billions and billions of doses have gone out. still require that out. but they still require that immunity from prosecution in how can safe ? fraser well, can they be safe? fraser well, as can they be safe? fraser well, ee wee — can they be safe? fraser well, ee wee eew— can they be safe? fraser well, ee wee eew .— can they be safe? fraser well, ee wee eew . wee— ti?" 7 fraser well, as you say , yes, they've been as you say, yes, they've been heteg— as you say, yes, they've been heteg tettet— as you say, yes, they've been being rolled out— as you say, yes, they've been being rolled out over past being rolled out over the past twe— being rolled out over the past tee—teet- being rolled out over the pastj two—just haven't two years and we just haven't eewthteg— two years and we just haven't seen anything like the scale of heme— seen anything like the scale of heme-weee— seen anything like the scale of harms you're talking harms that you're talking about. the— harms that you're talking about. and conversely— harms that you're talking about. and conversely ,_ harms that you're talking about. and conversely , we have seen and conversely, we have seen thet— and conversely, we have seen thet thew— and conversely, we have seen that they have— and conversely, we have seen that they have lives. that they have saved lives. i teet— that they have saved lives. i mean, back in— that they have saved lives. i mean, back in 2021 when the tetteet— mean, back in 2021 when the tetteet wee— mean, back in 2021 when the rollout was getting underway, vou— rollout was getting underway, wee teete— rollout was getting underway, wee eeett eee— rollout was getting underway, you could see how these vaccines eemetetetw— you could see how these vaccines completely severed _ you could see how these vaccines completely severed the link hetweee— completely severed the link between covm _ completely severed the link between covid cases and covid teethe— between covid cases and covid teethe. t— between covid cases and covid deaths. i mean,— between covid cases and covid

deaths. i mean, it— between covid cases and covid deaths. i mean, it was just undeniable— deaths. i mean, it was just undeniable .— deaths. i mean, it was just undeniable . so- deaths. i mean, it was just undeniable . so i find it really, undeniable. so i find it really, teettw— undeniable. so i find it really, really disturbing— undeniable. so i find it really, really disturbing that someone can really disturbing that someone tete— really disturbing that someone can take something as brilliant as can take something as brilliant ee—teewl as these vaccines. you know, the— as these vaccines. you know, this-incredibly— as these vaccines. you know, this incredibly all human this is incredibly all human eeteetttte— this is incredibly all human scientific—andl scientific achievement and heeteettw— scientific achievement and basically trash— scientific achievement and basically trash them as evil as part— basically trash them as evil as eett et— basically trash them as evil as eett et eeme— basically trash them as evil as part of some kind— basically trash them as evil as part of some kind of plot . i part of some kind of plot. i tee-t— part of some kind of plot. i tee-t thew— part of some kind of plot. i don't know whether you think it's don't know whether you think he te — don't know whether you think he te mete— don't know whether you think it's to make money. too much meeew—tet-ei it's to make money. too much. meeew—tet-e he money have been made. let's be fair money have been made. let's be eet-eetee.— money have been made. let's be fair andrew, because fair to you, andrew, because i met— fair to you, andrew, because i think-should— fair to you, andrew, because i think should address that think you should address that theettw. — think you should address that theettw. he— think you should address that directly. do you— think you should address that directly. jtit l directly. do you believe that it is that vaccines have is a plot that the vaccines have been? people been? i think people have profited these profited from from these immensely. yes. profited from from these immensely . yes. yes, i do . but immensely. yes. yes, i do. but my— immensely. yes. yes, i do. but mw tegtee— immensely. yes. yes, i do. but mw tegtee te— immensely. yes. yes, i do. but mw tegtee te te— yes. yes, i do. but my degree is in biological htetegw— my degree is in biological biology, biochemistry , genetics biology, biochemistry, genetics and biology, biochemistry, genetics eet e— biology, biochemistry, genetics eet e ett— biology, biochemistry, genetics eet e htt et— biology, biochemistry, genetics and a bit of virology . i mean, and a bit of virology. i mean, whet— and a bit of virology. i mean, whet ee— and a bit of virology. i mean, whet weet— and a bit of virology. i mean, what are your qualifications in te— what are your qualifications in science to make— what are your qualifications in science to make the did you read any science to make the did you read eew et— science to make the did you read eew et the— science to make the did you read eew et the et— science to make the did you read any of the 32 papers i posted whee— any of the 32 papers i posted whee t— any of the 32 papers i posted whee t gewe— any of the 32 papers i posted whee t gewe mw— any of the 32 papers i posted when i gave my first speech in december— when i gave my first speech in december last— when i gave my first speech in december last year on the 13th of december last year on the 13th et heeemhee— december last year on the 13th of december, that— december last year on the 13th of december, that was all backed up of december, that was all backed eh wtth— of december, that was all backed eh wtth et— of december, that was all backed up with 32 scientific papers , up with 32 scientific papers, eet— up with 32 scientific papers, eet e— up with 32 scientific papers, not a breath— up with 32 scientific papers, not a breath of— up with 32 scientific papers, not a breath of it from the mainstream— not a breath of it from the mainstream media because they eeette-t— mainstream media because they eeette-t tete— mainstream media because they couldn't take it— mainstream media because they couldn't take it apart. mainstream media because they couldn't take it apart . the couldn't take it apart. the science was— couldn't take it apart. the science was unarguable . at that science was unarguable. at that ttme— science was unarguable. at that ttme. the— science was unarguable. at that time, the government wanted to weteete — time, the government wanted to vaccinate babies.— time, the government wanted to vaccinate babies. they pulled teet— vaccinate babies. they pulled heet teem— vaccinate babies. they pulled back from that— vaccinate babies. they pulled back from that to only the over 50

back from that to only the over so eet— back from that to only the over 50 and immunocompromise side. the— 50 and immunocompromise side. the ettet— 50 and immunocompromise side. the ettet mw— 50 and immunocompromise side. and after my speech on the 17th of and after my speech on the 17th et wetee— and after my speech on the 17th of march, when— and after my speech on the 17th of march, when i— and after my speech on the 17th of march, when i showed the meet— of march, when i showed the number needed— of march, when i showed the number needed to vaccinate with a number needed to vaccinate with e-te— number needed to vaccinate with e-te keep_ number needed to vaccinate with e-te teee eee— number needed to vaccinate with a to keep one person out a booster to keep one person out of a booster to keep one person out et heeettet— a booster to keep one person out of hospital, which— a booster to keep one person out of hospital, which the a booster to keep one person out of ito .pital, which the a booster to keep one person out of ito 493l, which the a booster to keep one person out of ito 49 yeartich the a booster to keep one person out of ito 49 year olds the a booster to keep one person out of ito 49 year olds was the a booster to keep one person out of ito 49 year olds was 932,000, 40 to 49 year olds was 932,000, wtth — 40 to 49 year olds was 932,000, wtth t— 40 to 49 year olds was 932,000, wtth t te— 40 to 49 year olds was 932,000, wtth t he eee — 40 to 49 year olds was 932,000, with 1 in 800 having an adverse eweet— with 1 in 800 having an adverse eweet .— with 1 in 800 having an adverse eweet . too— with 1 in 800 having an adverse event . 100 people— with 1 in 800 having an adverse event . 100 people in hospital event. 100 people in hospital teet— event. 100 people in hospital teee eee— event. 100 people in hospital keep one person— event. 100 people in hospital keep one person out infected wtth— keep one person out infected wtth cowh— keep one person out infected with covm at— keep one person out infected with covid at huge cost to the teteewet— with covid at huge cost to the teteewet .— with covid at huge cost to the teteewet . thee— with covid at huge cost to the taxpayer . then they pushed it to taxpayer. then they pushed it to me— taxpayer. then they pushed it to eetw the— taxpayer. then they pushed it to eetw the ewee— taxpayer. then they pushed it to only the over 75— taxpayer. then they pushed it to only the over 75- if- only the over 75 seconds. if whet— only the over 75 seconds. if whet t— only the over 75 seconds. if whet t wee— only the over 75 seconds. if what i was talking about wasn't scientifically _ what i was talking about wasn't scientifically provable, why did the government— scientifically provable, why did the government move its eeettteee— the government move its eeettteee t— the government move its position? i suppose people are teteeeetet— position? i suppose people are interested in,— position? i suppose people are interested in, you— position? i suppose people are interested in, you know, ehwteeetw— interested in, you know, obviously-can- interested in, you know,- obviously-can-about interested in, you know,- obviously.can-about the obviously we can talk about the etettettee— obviously we can talk about the statistics-the _ obviously we can talk about the statistics the various statistics and the various etettee— studies and that's very tmeeeteet— studies and that's very important open important that we have open tteeeeeteee— important that we have open discussions—i. important that we have open. discussions—i think discussions about that. i think eeme-the— discussions about that. i think some the concerns that have some of the concerns that have been hartle been raised and what lisa hartle free nation, i i'm free speech nation, i i'm raising legitimate free speech nation, i i'm raising and legitimate free speech nation, i i'm raising and growingimate by concerns and growing concerns by the if you can't do the public. and if you can't do thet— the public. and if you can't do thet te— the public. and if you can't do that in parliament,— ti. and if you can't do that in parliament, can that in parliament, where can wee.— that in parliament, where can wee-seeme- that in parliament, where can wee-eeteeee tt-e- that in parliament, where can you-suppose it's the. that in parliament, where can. you-suppose it's the it's you. but i suppose it's the it's the idea. might be the idea. i mean i might be wrong. scientific paper. am i wrong. my scientific paper. am i suggesting, though, that when you when it's the plot you say it's when it's the plot element, it's element, the idea that it's a kind the you're changing the kind of the you're changing the terrain of the argument constantly? yeah. know, constantly? yeah. you know, weeee— constantly? yeah. you know, wee-ee-tt-e— you're saying it's like effectively - you're saying it's like effectively comparing the effectively comparing it to the heteeeeet. — effectively comparing it to the holocaust. _places- effectively comparing it to the holocaust. places other holocaust. other places in other eteeee. — holocaust. other places in otheri places. _ delingpole places. on the james delingpole

podcaste— places. on the james delingpole weeet—the.- podcast, you said that the, you thew.— podcast, you said that the, you know,-mandatory- podcast, you said that the, you know, mandatory vaccinations podcast, you said that the, you knc nurses mandatory vaccinations podcast, you said that the, you knc nurses was datory vaccinations podcast, you said that the, you knc nurses was likery vaccinations podcast, you said that the, you knc nurses was like the. ccinations podcast, you said that the, you kncnurses was like the. youations for nurses was like the. you thew— for nurses was like the. you teew .— for nurses was like the. you teew . eeeete— for nurses was like the. you know , people should how many know, people should how many eeteettete— know, people should how many scientists that's— know, people should how many scientists that's against the weeemheeg— scientists that's against the nuremberg convention ? �*vw�*till " nuremberg convention? well, in the seeme— nuremberg convention? well, in the second world war, you can't force someone to have a medication. they don't want convention. you can't not to say thet.— convention. you can't not to say thet-eee— convention. you can't not to say thet-eee e— convention. you can't not to say that.-are a bit. - convention. you can't not to say that.-are a bit. andrew,| that. these are a bit. andrew, do that. these are a bit. andrew, tee-te— that. these are a bit. andrew, te-te wee— that. these are a bit. andrew, do do you think you think do you do you think do you think do you do you think do you think do that the just do you think that the just leaving aside the actual substance of the argument, but the language, the idea of invoking the, invoking the holocaust, a holocaust, that that's a legitimate it, holocaust, that that's a legsaytate it, holocaust, that that's a legsay that it, holocaust, that that's a legsay that maybe it, holocaust, that that's a legsay that maybe that's it, holocaust, that that's a legsay that maybe that's not a to say that maybe that's not a sensible the tories quoting a paper hebrew university paper from the hebrew university of by. but you agreed of jerusalem by. but you agreed wtth— of jerusalem by. but you agreed wtth ht— of jerusalem by. but you agreed wtth tt hw— of jerusalem by. but you agreed wtth tt hw e— of jerusalem by. but you agreed with it by a jewish— but you agreed with it by a jewish approvingly. you with it by a jewish approvingly. tee geetet— with it by a jewish approvingly. you quoted that— with it by a jewish approvingly. you quoted that approvingly. you didn't it say , oh, my didn't quote it to say, oh, my god, look, look, look, look at this idea. it can't have been that. an outrage. i'll let that. what an outrage. i'll let i'll let into a that. what an outrage. i'll let i'll let-into a secret,- i'll let you into a secret, teteew. — i'll let you into a secret, andrew. - never- i'll let you into a secret, andrew. never had i'll let you into a secret, andrew. .never had codes i'll let you into a secret, an my iv. .never had codes i'll let you into a secret, an my owninever had codes i'll let you into a secret, an my own twitter. had codes i'll let you into a secret, an my own twitter. my codes i'll let you into a secret, an my own twitter. my tweets des i'll let you into a secret, an my own twitter. my tweets are to my own twitter. my tweets are all to my own twitter. my tweets are ett—mw— to my own twitter. my tweets are ett—mw eteet- to my own twitter. my tweets are all—my staff and. all moderated by my staff and hewe— all moderated by my staff and hewe-tee— all moderated by my staff and hewe-tee the— all moderated by my staff and have-for the last- all moderated by my staff and have for the last 12 years. have been for the last 12 years. the— have been for the last 12 years. the thet— have been for the last 12 years. and that tweet— have been for the last 12 years. and that tweet was moderated, eeewet— and that tweet was moderated, peeved—hw- and that tweet was moderated, eeewet—hw mw- proved and posted by my conservative— conservative association eeheemee— conservative association. chairman. _was conservative association- chairman. _was still chairman. right. but i was still theewe— chairman. right. but i was still thrown conservative thrown out the conservative heetw. — thrown out the conservative| heetw. _t-m party. well, you know, i'm not trying i everyone trying to i think everyone should complete speech should have complete free speech in terms what they say.

in terms of what they say. that's what i'm saying. that's not what i'm saying. all i is think what i was suggesting is i think what frazer's saying frazer's article was saying is that of rhetoric might that some of the rhetoric might not that you not help the cause that you yourself advancing. i think yourself are advancing. i think that's fair yourself are advancing. i think that'slfairlthink_ yourself are advancing. i think that'slfairlthink there's- that's a fair i think there's a lot that's a fair i think there's a tetlwtttet— that's a fair i think there's a lot wilful blindness out lot of wilful blindness out theee.— lot of wilful blindness out there. .fact_ lot of wilful blindness out. there.-fact-pharma there. the fact is big pharma is a there. the fact is big pharma is e hege— there. the fact is big pharma is e hege-tehhwteg- there. the fact is big pharma is a huge, lobbying power. you a huge, huge lobbying power. you teew.— a huge, huge lobbying power. you teew-the— a huge, huge lobbying power. you know,-the mhra,- a huge, huge lobbying power. you know, the mhra, the know, 86% of the mhra, the metteteee— know, 86% of the mhra, the medicines healthcare medicines and healthcare weteete— medicines and healthcare products regulatory agency, whteh— products regulatory agency, which _these - which authorises these medicines,— which authorises these medicines, is- which authorises these medicines, is funded by big theeme— medicines, is funded by big theeme .— medicines, is funded by big pharma . the— medicines, is funded by big pharma . the joint committee pharma. the joint committee on veeeteettee— pharma. the joint committee on vaccination and— pharma. the joint committee on vaccination and immunisation in teete— vaccination and immunisation in thete eeeeeeet— vaccination and immunisation in their personal declarations of teteeeet— their personal declarations of teteeeet. thew— their personal declarations of interest, they declared over £1 httttee— interest, they declared over £1 httttee et— interest, they declared over £1 billion of investments in big theme.— billion of investments in big pharma. this— billion of investments in big pharma. this we've had our eegeteteee— pharma. this we've had our regulators captured and that's teet— regulators captured and that's teet eet— regulators captured and that's just not healthy.— regulators captured and that's just not healthy. fraser you can eeteeeteet— just not healthy. fraser you can understand why— just not healthy. fraser you can understand why some people are eeeetteet— understand why some people are eeeetteet-ett— understand why some people are sceptical-all of— understand why some people are sceptical all of this, you sceptical about all of this, you teew.— sceptical about all of this, you know,_haven'tl sceptical about all of this, you. know,_haven't been know, because there haven't been answers—questions. know, because there haven't been ansvt people questions know, because there haven't been ansvtpeople wanted. questions know, because there haven't been ansvtpeople wanted. jestions know, because there haven't been ansvtpeople wanted. "es/.ns that people wanted. i think thet.— that people wanted. i think thet-teew.— that people wanted. i think that, know, lived through that, you know, we lived through a during a really terrible period during the lockdowns. i think the covid lockdowns. i think there were a lot of terrible, terrible mistakes. completely terrible mistakes. i completely oppose thought oppose the lockdown. i thought it kind of it was a mad kind of authoritarian, experiment authoritarian, an experiment essentially . and i think that essentially. and i think that has. yeah people, you know, often people don't see up where they're, you know, or they see conspiracy where there's up and people are , you know, the only,

people are, you know, the only, the only problem with saying it's up, conspiracy . what it's up, not conspiracy. what you've got to bear- it's up, not conspiracy. what you've got to bear in- l l. i ”ec. what you've got to bear in mind l l. i ”ii what you've got to bear in mind is thet— you've got to bear in mind is thet ett— you've got to bear in mind is thet ett the— you've got to bear in mind is that all the governments across the-weht.— that all the governments across. the _world, - so—called the western world, the so—called temeeeeetee— democracies and others, made eteettw— democracies and others, made eteettw the— democracies and others, made exactly the same— democracies and others, made exactly the same exactly exactly the same up at exactly the eeme— exactly the same up at exactly the same time— exactly the same up at exactly the same time on— exactly the same up at exactly the same time on exactly the eeme-wett— the same time on exactly the same _well, they - the same time on exactly the same well, they followed same issue. well, they followed eeeh— same issue. well, they followed eeeh ethee— same issue. well, they followed each other and— same issue. well, they followed each other and they were kind of eeetetet— each other and they were kind of panicked-decisions. . each other and they were kind of panicked decisions. panicked into these decisions. the— panicked into these decisions. tetleemeeee— panicked into these decisions. and-someone-is- panicked into these decisions. and-someone-is critical| and as someone who is critical of and someone of the lockdown and as someone who does want who desperately does not want this again, you this thing to happen again, you know, to andrew know, for someone like to andrew essentially, you know, spouse, these are conspiracy theorists. well, you don't want it to well, if you don't want it to heteee— well, if you don't want it to heteee egete— well, if you don't want it to happen again, isn't the best tee-t— happen again, isn't the best tee-t the— happen again, isn't the best isn't the best— happen again, isn't the best isn't the best thing we could do isn't the best thing we could do he the— isn't the best thing we could do he the eet— isn't the best thing we could do is find out-paid— isn't the best thing we could do is find out-paid for- isn't the best thing we could do is find out paid for and is find out who paid for and teweteeet— is find out who paid for and developed covid virus in developed the covid 19 virus in whteh— developed the covid 19 virus in whteh-hett— developed the covid 19 virus in which-hold them- which labs and hold them eetmteettw— which labs and hold them criminally account, which labs and hold them criminally account , because criminally to account, because thet—eet- criminally to account, because thet—eet e- criminally to account, becausel that—not a natural that was that was not a natural t— that was that was not a natural t meee— that was that was not a natural virus. i mean, the— that was that was not a natural virus. i mean, the spike wetete— virus. i mean, the spike eeetete e— virus. i mean, the spike protein, a big- virus. i mean, the spike protein, a big chunk of it, has eet— protein, a big chunk of it, has eet et— protein, a big chunk of it, has come out of hiv.— protein, a big chunk of it, has come out of hiv. and of the come out of hiv. and four of the emee— come out of hiv. and four of the eetee— come out of hiv. and four of the amino acids, such— come out of hiv. and four of the amino acids, such base amino acids, such as 12 base eetee— amino acids, such as 12 base eeteelmtwt— amino acids, such as 12 base pairs-mrna in— amino acids, such as 12 base pairs mrna in the spike pairs of mrna in the spike wetete— pairs of mrna in the spike eeetete the— pairs of mrna in the spike protein, the american government hewe— protein, the american government hewe-e— protein, the american government hewe-e eeteet— protein, the american government have .a patent on _ protein, the american government have-a patent on it.- protein, the american government have a patent on it. it's have got a patent on it. it's eet— have got a patent on it. it's eet te— have got a patent on it. it's eet te-et— have got a patent on it. it's not in-of the- have got a patent on it. it's not in of the coronavirus not in any of the coronavirus weee— not in any of the coronavirus wteeelthe— not in any of the coronavirus virus-the world. - not in any of the coronavirus virus the world. why can't virus in the world. why can't we the— virus in the world. why can't we the eet— virus in the world. why can't we the eet-tt-e— virus in the world. why can't we find out-it's come- virus in the world. why can't we find out it's come from? find out where it's come from? the— find out where it's come from? tee-teetet— find out where it's come from? and-funded it- find out where it's come from? and funded it hold and who's funded it and hold them — them criminally to account to mete— them criminally to account to mete-eweeweee— them criminally to account to make everyone gets make sure everyone gets a meeeege— make sure everyone gets a meeeegelwee-

make sure everyone gets a message you don't do this message so you don't do this egete— message so you don't do this egete te— message so you don't do this egete te ee— message so you don't do this again to us, it's— message so you don't do this again to us, it's really tmeeeteet— again to us, it's really important for people realise important for people to realise thet— important for people to realise thet-teteew— important for people to realise that andrew sounds that what andrew says sounds eeteetttte. — that what andrew says soundsi scientific. _pseudo scientific. it's kind of pseudo scientific. it's kind of pseudo scientific you know, scientific. it's kind of pseudo scienti'all you know, scientific. it's kind of pseudo scienti'all the you know, scientific. it's kind of pseudo scienti'all the listing, iow, scientific. it's kind of pseudo scienti'all the listing, all listing all the listing, all these papers, misrepresenting these papers, misrepresenting the data and, you know, it's actually, it's just it is a conspiracy theory. it has no bafis conspiracy theory. it has no basis reality . there's basis in reality. there's nothing. i'll send you the papers. you can send me as papers. well you can send me as many papers you like, but, many papers as you like, but, you know, of these are you know, a lot of these are completely they're complete outliers. terms outliers. but andrew, in terms of safety things of vaccine safety and things like again, how do they like that. so again, how do they prove a plot? well, let's try eet— prove a plot? well, let's try eet-tewe- prove a plot? well, let's try and - down to - prove a plot? well, let's try. and-down to something and bring it down to something eeeettte— specific, because you mentioned, teteew— specific, because you mentioned, theee-wee— specific, because you mentioned, teteew-wee-te- specific, because you mentioned, andrew, you to follow andrew, that you want to follow the—wee — andrew, that you want to follow the—wee weet- andrew, that you want to follow the _you want to - andrew, that you want to follow the you want to find the money and you want to find out the money and you want to find eet—whet.- out who's funding what, what tmeetee-e— america's involvement. and you did america's involvement. and you the—thet— america's involvement. and you the—thet wee- america's involvement. and you did _that you had. did tweet to say that you had met— did tweet to say that you had heeet-the— did tweet to say that you had heard .the vaccine- did tweet to say that you had heard the vaccine and the heard that the vaccine and the weee— heard that the vaccine and the virus-developed- heard that the vaccine and the virus developed by the dod virus were developed by the dod at virus were developed by the dod et teet— virus were developed by the dod at fort detrick_ virus were developed by the dod at fort detrick .— virus were developed by the dod at fort detrick . yep. do you at fort detrick. yep. do you eteet— at fort detrick. yep. do you stand-because- at fort detrick. yep. do you- stand-because-didn't stand by that because you didn't eeewtte— stand by that because you didn't eeewtte-tweet— stand by that because you didn't provide-tweet any- provide in the tweet any evidence? _ provide in the tweet any. evidence? _travelled evidence? but i travelled out under own powers at christmas under my own powers at christmas and year and spent whole and new year and spent the whole time washington speaking time in washington and speaking to and elected to scientists and elected representatives and representatives over there. and they everything about they confirmed everything about that. but they confirmed everything about that . but do they confirmed everything about that. but do you they confirmed everything about that . but do you understand why that. but do you understand why eeeete— that. but do you understand why people-concerned— but do you understand why people concerned about that? people are concerned about that? heeeee— people are concerned about that?. because—something because when you tweet something thet-e— that's so alarmist and extreme, but that's so alarmist and extreme,

eet—theeel but there's no evidence there for but there's no evidence there tee eeeete— but there's no evidence there tee eeeete te— but there's no evidence there for people to see— but there's no evidence there for people to see four of four of for people to see four of four et the— for people to see four of four of the amino _ for people to see four of four of the amino acids in the spike wetete— of the amino acids in the spike eeetete the— of the amino acids in the spike protein, the american government of the amino acids in the spike proteiipatentlmerican government of the amino acids in the spike proteiipatentlmericartheyernment of the amino acids in the spike proteiipatentlmericarthey gaveint of the amino acids in the spike proteiipatentlmericarthey gave itt had a patent on and they gave it in had a patent on and they gave it te-tteteeee. — had a patent on and they gave it in-moderna. but- had a patent on and they gave it in-moderna. but you. in 2014 to moderna. but you suggest— in 2014 to moderna. but you suggest that the virus originated at fort detrick. that can't be right . originated at fort detrick. that can't be right. i think i thtet— that can't be right. i think i thtetltet— that can't be right. i think i think lot the work was done think a lot of the work was done there shipped out there before it was shipped out by anthony fauci to wuhan. and he the final he funded the final the final research. what i don't know is whether it was released by accident purpose. don't accident or on purpose. i don't know never find that out. know how we never find that out. i'm andrew to i'm happy for andrew to tteeeettt— i'm happy for andrew to discredit-lvivl i'm happy for andrew to discredit lviv by discredit himself. lviv by eewteg— discredit himself. lviv by saying rubbish . it's saying all this rubbish. it's teet— saying all this rubbish. it's teet wee— saying all this rubbish. it's teet wee eeet— saying all this rubbish. it's just you need to , you know, wake just you need to, you know, wake up a— just you need to, you know, wake eh e ttttte — just you need to, you know, wake eh e ttttte mt.— just you need to, you know, wake up a little bit. this— just you need to, you know, wake up a little bit. this is not eeet— up a little bit. this is not real. you've— up a little bit. this is not real. you've fallen down a real eehhtt— real. you've fallen down a real eehhtt hete— real. you've fallen down a real rabbit hole here,— real. you've fallen down a real rabbit hole here, and it's, you teew.— rabbit hole here, and it's, you teew. tt-e— rabbit hole here, and it's, you teew. tt-e weew— rabbit hole here, and it's, you know, it's very worrying that weeee— know, it's very worrying that weeee e— know, it's very worrying that you're a member— know, it's very worrying that you're a member of parliament. i met— you're a member of parliament. i thtet tt-e— you're a member of parliament. i thtet tt-e gette— you're a member of parliament. i think it's quite scary that, you teew.— think it's quite scary that, you know, british— think it's quite scary that, you know, british public are being eeeeeeeetet— know, british public are being represented by— know, british public are being represented by anthony fauci, teetet—. - represented by anthony fauci, funded_. that'si represented by anthony fauci,- funded_. that's all funded it, funded it. that's all eet— funded it, funded it. that's all eet te— funded it, funded it. that's all come out in congressional and senate hearings under oath in america. watch the hearings. it's all there. the former head of the cdc said that that's what happened. anthony fauci funded it. but that doesn't sorry, thet-e— it. but that doesn't sorry, thet-e eet— . but that doesn't sorry, that's not funded . \tit titit: that's not funded. not funded. they have not confirmed that the

virus was made by america, by the department. he took it. he tookit the department. he took it. he took it from took it from took it from he took it from tmeetee— took it from he took it from america-did— took it from he took it from america-did the- took it from he took it from america did the research in america and did the research in wehee. — america and did the research in wehee. .wee— america and did the research in wuhan. .you haven't- wuhan. but you haven't confirmed. to see confirmed. i would love to see the evidence of virus the evidence of the virus being created because created at fort detrick because it variation of an it sounds like a variation of an old conspiracy theory about aids being funded at fort being funded or created at fort detrick. that was old detrick. that was an old conspiracy theory. it's not a conspiracy theorist that the barack days before he barack obama, 11 days before he handed to trump, made gain handed over to trump, made gain of function research legal in america again. why would he do thete— america again. why would he do thete whw— america again. why would he do that? why would— america again. why would he do that? why would you _ america again. why would he do that? why would you do- ' i igi " why would he do that? why would you do that? tete— that? why would you do that? tete e— that? why would you do that? tete e geem— that? why would you do that? take a grain-truth.- that? why would you do that? take a grain .truth. where. take a grain of truth. where it's know, perhaps the it's like, you know, perhaps the virus leaked a lab, for virus leaked from a lab, for instance. could been instance. it could have been made lab. then you made in a lab. and then you extrapolate say that there extrapolate it to say that there is conspiracy against. do you is a conspiracy against. do you think it was made— is a conspiracy against. do you think it was made in- is a conspiracy against. do you think it was made in a- d do you think it was made in a not think it was made in a lab? not teeth—mete- think it was made in a lab? not teeth—mete tel think it was made in a lab? not truth—made in a. truth to say. was it made in a tee— truth to say. was it made in a tehleete — truth to say. was it made in a lab-not? there- truth to say. was it made in a lab-not? there are- truth to say. was it made in a lab not? ”ti i”ti si”ti truth to say. was it made in a lab not? ”ti ”ti sti”ti i”ti lab or not? there are there are side effects of covid. and then take to killing take that to say it's killing millions side effects of the millions of side effects of the vaccine and then say, i want to give we've got to go on. give people we've got to go on. we talk this we could talk about this forever, _want - we could talk about this forever, want to give forever, but i want to give you weee— forever, but i want to give you weee-weet.— forever, but i want to give you your word, andrew, on your final word, andrew, on thet.— your final word, andrew, on thet. he— your final word, andrew, on thet. he wee— your final word, andrew, on that. do you anything else that. do you have anything else to that. do you have anything else te—tee— that. do you have anything else te—tee teeeee- that. do you have anything else to _to? fraser well,l that. do you have anything else to to? fraser well, it to come back to? fraser well, it teeee-t— to come back to? fraser well, it teeee-t-hew— to come back to? fraser well, iti doesn't-how-takes doesn't matter how long it takes the-eeme—

doesn't matter how long it takes the-eeme eet. - doesn't matter how long it takes the-come out. it- doesn't matter how long it takes the-come out. it willj the truth will come out. it will eeme—tented- the truth will come out. it will come funded this come out. who's funded this eventually will come eventually and it will come out about effects from the about the side effects from the vaccine. know vaccine. unfortunately, we know last excess death figures last week's excess death figures for, week of for, i think second week of march, the five year march, 22% above the five year average, 2540 excess deaths. they're not statistics. they're real it's going real people. and it's going to continue, unfortunately. and we need debate in need we can't have a debate in parliament excess parliament about the excess deaths. be? why deaths. how can that be? why can't we have a debate about excess deaths? we absolutely eheett—heti should have a debate. but i thet.— should have a debate. but i thtet. wee— should have a debate. but i think, you know,— should have a debate. but i think, you know, the truth is met— think, you know, the truth is met geteg — think, you know, the truth is met geteg te — think, you know, the truth is not going to come out the vaccines are causing it. we eee-t—ttl vaccines are causing it. we| eee-t—ttlt can't even talk about it. i tee-t— can't even talk about it. i eeet-wehe- can't even talk about it. i don't-we're going. can't even talk about it. i don't we're going agree don't think we're going to agree here. i do appreciate you here. but i do appreciate you both have such both coming on to have such a robust and open conversation about to andrew about it. so thank you to andrew bridgen myers, who bridgen and fraser myers, who and coming up on free speech nation, i'm going to be discussing whether this weekend's an weekend's coronation has had an impact popularity and the impact on the popularity and the future monarchy. do not future of the monarchy. do not go anywhere .

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speech nation . so how successful speech nation. so how successful was the coronation weekend? has it left you feeling proud of the nation, the commonwealth and the monarchy? well, joining me to discuss this is the historian and commentator and political commentator david oldroyd . david, can i first oldroyd bolt. david, can i first ask your opinion about the protesters? we were talking about it earlier. protesters? we were talking about it earlier . and is it about it earlier. and is it right that some protesters were sort of arrested before they'd actually done anything wrong? well, a very tricky well, it's a very tricky geeettee— question because from the public eetetw—tt— question because from the public eetetw—tt eee- safety point of view, it seems thet— safety point of view, it seems thet theee— safety point of view, it seems thet theee-e— safety point of view, it seems that there - a risk- safety point of view, it seems that there a risk if these that there was a risk if these eeeteeteee— that there was a risk if these protesters were _ that there was a risk if these protesters were planning to thee— protesters were planning to throw-alarms- protesters were planning to throw-alarms in- protesters were planning to throw alarms in road, throw rape alarms in the road, gtwee— throw rape alarms in the road, gtwee-eemhee— throw rape alarms in the road, given number horses given the number of horses tewetwet— given the number of horses involved _you involved with this, that you teete— involved with this, that you eeett—the- involved with this, that youl could _the horses involved with this, that you- could _the horses bolt, could have made the horses bolt, whteh— could have made the horses bolt, whteh weett— could have made the horses bolt, which would have— could have made the horses bolt, which would have caused great temege— which would have caused great temege-te— which would have caused great damage, to property damage, not only to property but to damage, not only to property but te—e— damage, not only to property but te—e weew- to people. so it's a very tricky geeettee— to people. so it's a very tricky question-believe. to people. so it's a very tricky question believe in question because i believe in the— question because i believe in the-fundamental. question because i believe in the fundamental right the absolute fundamental right to the absolute fundamental right te—eteeeeeteei to free speech, free expression eet— to free speech, free expression eet teee— to free speech, free expression and free protest.— to free speech, free expression and free protest. however that comes responsibility and free protest. however that conpart responsibility and free protest. however that conpart of responsibility and free protest. however that conpart of protestersibility and free protest. however that conpart of protesters to .ity and free protest. however that conpart of protesters to ensure the part of protesters to ensure thet— the part of protesters to ensure thet-tettew— the part of protesters to ensure that fellow citizens that their fellow citizens eeet— that their fellow citizens eeet-ht- that their fellow citizens aren't-if it- that their fellow citizens aren't if it turns that their fellow citizens- aren't-if it turns out aren't harmed if it turns out thet— aren't harmed if it turns out thet theee— aren't harmed if it turns out that there could— aren't harmed if it turns out that there could have been a eet— that there could have been a etet et— that there could have been a risk of harm,— that there could have been a risk of harm, i— that there could have been a risk of harm, i think the police etght— risk of harm, i think the police etght te— risk of harm, i think the police were right to act— risk of harm, i think the police were right to act in this eetee — instance. it's very interesting eew-ht— instance. it's very interesting eew-ht ee- instance. it's very interesting

now-it comes to- instance. it's very interesting now it comes to the now when it comes to the meeeeehw— now when it comes to the meeeeehw. wee— now when it comes to the monarchy, you know, there have teee— monarchy, you know, there have been some - polls- monarchy, you know, there have. been some-polls-have been some recent polls that have eeggeetet— suggested that the younger geeeeettee— suggested that the younger. generation _would suggested that the younger. geiquite)n_would suggested that the younger geiquite happy would suggested that the younger geiquite happy if would suggested that the younger geiquite happy if were /ould suggested that the younger geiquite happy if were told suggested that the younger geiquite happy if were to be be quite happy if it were to be ehettehet. — be quite happy if it were to be abolished. _that- be quite happy if it were to be abolished. be quite happy if it were to be. abolished. _that mean that abolished. does that mean that charles last charles is going to be the last monarch? i don't think that's eeeeeeeettw— monarch? i don't think that's. necessarily—all. necessarily the meaning at all. i necessarily the meaning at all. t-whet— necessarily the meaning at all. t-whet ht— necessarily the meaning at all. i-what it means- necessarily the meaning at all. i-what it means is- necessarily the meaning at all. i what it means is that i think what it means is that the— i think what it means is that the weeegee— i think what it means is that the younger generation is disconnected— disconnected from the institution _ disconnected from the institution so institution as it is from so meew—thtel many institutions in this eeeetew—tel many institutions in thisi country—is not many institutions in this- country_is not part country because it is not part of-educational- country because it is not part of educational culture. of their educational culture. the— of their educational culture. tee-e— of their educational culture. and-a failing- of their educational culture. and-a failing on- of their educational culture. and a failing on the part and that's a failing on the part of and that's a failing on the part et—e— and that's a failing on the part et—e tettteg- and that's a failing on the part of_a failing on- of schools. it's a failing on the—tetl of schools. it's a failing on- the—tetlwee the part of parents. and it was, i the part of parents. and it was, t-ee— the part of parents. and it was, i-an intention- the part of parents. and it was, i-an intention of- the part of parents. and it was, i an intention of the the part of parents. and it was, i labourn intention of the the part of parents. and it was, i labour governmentf the the part of parents. and it was, i labour government forte the part of parents. and it was, i labour government for that the part of parents. and it was, i be abour government for that the part of parents. and it was, i be their government for that the part of parents. and it was, i be the case. ernment for that the part of parents. and it was, i be the case. iniment for that the part of parents. and it was, i be the case. iniment imanyt to be the case. in many, many heteee— to be the case. in many, many eeteee t— to be the case. in many, many instances. i think— to be the case. in many, many instances. i think the eeeeeeetee- instances. i think the prospectus of gordon brown and tony— prospectus of gordon brown and teew htete— prospectus of gordon brown and teew htete-te— prospectus of gordon brown and tony blair to ensure a sort tony blair was to ensure a sort of bifurcation— tony blair was to ensure a sort of bifurcation between generations- of bifurcation between generations so that it made it tee— generations so that it made it easier for labour— generations so that it made it easier for labour to gain an eweeteetteg—ti everlasting majority. and i thtet— everlasting majority. and i thet-teet— everlasting majority. and i think just seeing an think we're just seeing an eeeeet— think we're just seeing an eeeeet et— think we're just seeing an aspect of this— think we're just seeing an aspect of this now. so why is the— aspect of this now. so why is the meeeeehw— aspect of this now. so why is the monarchy important? jtit the monarchy so important? do you the monarchy so important? do wee—eteete- the monarchy so important? do wee—eteettlte- you think? why should it be embedded curriculum? embedded into school curriculum? my embedded into school curriculum? my importance of the my view of the importance of the meeeeehw— my view of the importance of the meeeeehw te— my view of the importance of the monarchy is that— my view of the importance of the monarchy is that it— my view of the importance of the monarchy is that it is the fundamentally the safest form of meth— fundamentally the safest form of heet et— fundamentally the safest form of head of government, of head of etete— head of government, of head of etete-wee— head of government, of head of etete-wee eee— head of government, of head of state-you can find- head of government, of head of state-you can find .- head of government, of head of state you can find . if you state that you can find. if you teet— state that you can find. if you teetitee— state that you can find. if you look-for instance,- state that you can find. if you look for instance, the un look at, for instance, the un hetee— look at, for instance, the un tetet et— look at, for instance, the un index of best— look at, for instance, the un index of best outcomes and of meth— index of best outcomes and of heetth 2t— index of best outcomes and of health, 21 countries in that , 11

health, 21 countries in that, 11 of health, 21 countries in that, 11 et whteh— health, 21 countries in that, 11 et whteh eee— health, 21 countries in that, 11 of which are constitutional monarchies_ of which are constitutional monarchies and if you look at the— monarchies and if you look at the tee— monarchies and if you look at the tee zo— monarchies and if you look at the top 20 developed nations in the top 20 developed nations in the weht.— the top 20 developed nations in the world, ten— the top 20 developed nations in the world, ten of— the top 20 developed nations in the world, ten of those are constitutional— the world, ten of those are constitutional monarchies. i thtet— constitutional monarchies. i think- system - think this is a system that weete— think this is a system that. works-benevolently think this is a system that- works-benevolently . i works well and benevolently. i weett— works well and benevolently. i weett eet— works well and benevolently. i would ask those— works well and benevolently. i would ask those who would seek to would ask those who would seek te eeeteee — would ask those who would seek te eeeteee ht— would ask those who would seek to replace it with— would ask those who would seek to replace it with what would you— to replace it with what would wee-thet— to replace it with what would wee-thet-hel to replace it with what would. wee-thet-he ee you replace it that could be so geeeeeteet— you replace it that could be so geeeeeteet te— you replace it that could be so guaranteed to be— you replace it that could be so guaranteed to be disinterested, to guaranteed to be disinterested, te he— guaranteed to be disinterested, te he tmeeettet— guaranteed to be disinterested, to be impartial ,_ guaranteed to be disinterested, to be impartial , to have no to be impartial, to have no eetttteet— to be impartial, to have no political bias— to be impartial, to have no political bias within it, to be ette— political bias within it, to be ehtelhe— political bias within it, to be ehtelhe e— political bias within it, to be able be a warning voice, able to be a warning voice, a gettteg— able to be a warning voice, a gettteg-tet- able to be a warning voice, a guiding-and as- able to be a warning voice, a guiding and as the king guiding voice. and as the king hee— guiding voice. and as the king hee teee— guiding voice. and as the king hee teee ee— guiding voice. and as the king has done as prince of wales , to has done as prince of wales, to be has done as prince of wales, to heleeet— has done as prince of wales, to heleeet mewee— has done as prince of wales, to belreal mover in— has done as prince of wales, to be real mover in charity and be a real mover in charity and in be a real mover in charity and te-het— be a real mover in charity and te-het wet— be a real mover in charity and te-het wet ht- be a real mover in charity and in-but yet it is- be a real mover in charity and in-but yet it is in- be a real mover in charity and in but yet it is in its in culture, but yet it is in its teetemeet— in culture, but yet it is in its fundament absolutely disinterested. l ” fundament absolutely- disinterested. but your critics would say that, well, it's embodying privilege. it's embodying privilege. it's embodying the notion of division, where division shouldn't exist . i think that's shouldn't exist. i think that's eteettw— shouldn't exist. i think that's eteettw the — shouldn't exist. i think that's exactly the opposite- : i . tix i think that's exactly the opposite of what it emhettee— exactly the opposite of what it emhettee. tt— exactly the opposite of what it embodies. it embodies duty and ehttgettee— embodies. it embodies duty and ehttgettee. tt— embodies. it embodies duty and obligation. it embodies a sacral eeeeet— obligation. it embodies a sacral nature towards— obligation. it embodies a sacral nature towards the work that is necessary as head— nature towards the work that is necessary as head of state, i met— necessary as head of state, i thtet thet— necessary as head of state, i think that this— necessary as head of state, i think that this is— necessary as head of state, i think that this is the fundamental point about meeeeehw— fundamental point about monarchy. and we saw this in the ceeeeettee— monarchy. and we saw this in the coronation service— monarchy. and we saw this in the coronation service yesterday. it is coronation service yesterday. it te eteet— coronation service yesterday. it te eteet eetw— coronation service yesterday. it is about duty and— coronation service yesterday. it is about duty and obligation. tt-e— is about duty and obligation. tt-e eteet— is about duty and obligation. it's about service. it's a very tttteeeet— it's about service. it's a very different concept— it's about service. it's a very different concept from that whteh— different concept from that whteh meet— different concept from that which most people i think, in

the weet— which most people i think, in the west now— which most people i think, in the west now where it is the west now hold where it is eteet— the west now hold where it is eteet etghte— the west now hold where it is about rights and— the west now hold where it is about rights and about eetwttegee— about rights and about privileges and about what they expect — privileges and about what they expect. thet-e— privileges and about what they expect. that's - put, l expect. that's very well put, david, thanks much for david, thanks so much for joining please, joining us. but please, everyone, away. lot everyone, don't go away. a lot more to come in

and there's plenty more still to come on free speech nation tonight, including an interview about joanna cherry, the snp politician who was cancelled by a comedy club for her gender critical views. but let's get a news update first from bethany lc . andrew thank you. here's the lc. andrew thank you. here's the latest lc. andrew thank you. here's the teteet teem — lc. andrew thank you. here's the latest from the _ lc. andrew thank you. here's the latest from the newsroom- til 't: here's the latest from the newsroom at 8 pm,— latest from the newsroom at 8 pm. the— latest from the newsroom at 8 pm. the eewtw— latest from the newsroom at 8 pm, the newly crowned king and geeee— p.m, the newly crowned king and geeee hewe— p.m, the newly crowned king and queen have said— pm, the newly crowned king and queen have said they're deeply teeehet— queen have said they're deeply teeehet eet— queen have said they're deeply touched and profoundly grateful touched and profoundly grateful te ett— touched and profoundly grateful te ett theee— touched and profoundly grateful to all those who— touched and profoundly grateful to all those who showed their eeeeeet— to all those who showed their eeeeeet tee— to all those who showed their eeeeeet tee the— to all those who showed their support for the coronation. tens of support for the coronation. tens et theeeeete— support for the coronation. tens of thousands of— support for the coronation. tens of thousands of street parties hewe— of thousands of street parties hewe teee— of thousands of street parties have been held— of thousands of street parties have been held across the uk to eeetteee— have been held across the uk to eeetteee the— have been held across the uk to continue the celebrations. the

eeeeet— continue the celebrations. the annual event,— continue the celebrations. the annual event, run— continue the celebrations. the annual event, run by eden eeet-eete— annual event, run by eden projects communities said 67,000 big projects communities said 67,000 htg teeth— projects communities said 67,000 big lunch events— projects communities said 67,000 big lunch events were planned for big lunch events were planned tee tetew— big lunch events were planned tee tetew eet— big lunch events were planned for today and the— big lunch events were planned for today and the royal family eet— for today and the royal family eet te— for today and the royal family were out in force— for today and the royal family were out in force to show their theete— were out in force to show their thanks. sisters— were out in force to show their thanks. sisters princess heetetee— thanks. sisters princess beatrice and- thanks. sisters princess beatrice and eugenie were at an eweet— beatrice and eugenie were at an eweet te— beatrice and eugenie were at an event in buckinghamshire and the hete— event in buckinghamshire and the hete et— event in buckinghamshire and the duke of edinburgh, edward and his duke of edinburgh, edward and hte whe— duke of edinburgh, edward and his wife sophie,— duke of edinburgh, edward and his wife sophie, stopped by a teeth— his wife sophie, stopped by a teeeh te— his wife sophie, stopped by a lunch in surrey. _ his wife sophie, stopped by a lunch in surrey. well—wishers eete— lunch in surrey. well—wishers eett the— lunch in surrey. well—wishers said the parties— lunch in surrey. well—wishers said the parties brought out the heet— said the parties brought out the heet et— said the parties brought out the best of british. _ said the parties brought out the best of british. it's lovely to ett— best of british. it's lovely to ett the— best of british. it's lovely to see all the people and the hetteeee— see all the people and the balloons out— see all the people and the balloons out and everything. weet.— balloons out and everything. yeah, excellent— balloons out and everything. yeah, excellent .— balloons out and everything. yeah, excellent . it— balloons out and everything. tv/titi" tixtitiiitis . : l yeah, excellent. it doesn't happen often enough to get people to get together and they should get a day like this . should get a day like this. great. it's very nice. i created thteg— great. it's very nice. i created thteg te— great. it's very nice. i created thteg te heteg— great. it's very nice. i created thing to bring us— great. it's very nice. i created thing to bring us all together to celebrate— thing to bring us all together to celebrate this— thing to bring us all together to celebrate this because it's a te— to celebrate this because it's a one in a lifetime— to celebrate this because it's a one in a lifetime thing. i don't thtet— one in a lifetime thing. i don't thtet t-m— one in a lifetime thing. i don't thtet t-m geteg— one in a lifetime thing. i don't think i'm going to— one in a lifetime thing. i don't think i'm going to experience it egete. — think i'm going to experience it egete. we— think i'm going to experience it again. we think— think i'm going to experience it again. we think it's- think i'm going to experience it again. "

the-through. _it- singing the national anthem all the through. c the way through. yeah, it was impressed. yeah i'm impressed. yeah. yeah i'm actually to be british, actually proud to be british, isn't ? the first lady of the isn't it? the first lady of the us.— isn't it? the first lady of the we. wtt— isn't it? the first lady of the us, jill biden,— isn't it? the first lady of the us, jill biden, was- l .7 the first lady of the us, jill biden, was one of the eeeetet— us, jill biden, was one of the eeeetet geeete— us, jill biden, was one of the special guests hosted at a big teeth— special guests hosted at a big teeeh hw— special guests hosted at a big teeeh hw the— special guests hosted at a big lunch by the prime minister and his lunch by the prime minister and hte whe— lunch by the prime minister and his wife outside _ lunch by the prime minister and his wife outside downing street. teeteteete— his wife outside downing street. teeteteete et— his wife outside downing street. recipients of the— his wife outside downing street. recipients of the points of ttght— recipients of the points of ttght tweet.— recipients of the points of light award, which have been gtwee— light award, which have been gtweeleetteeew— light award, which have been given ordinary people doing given to ordinary people doing etteeeetteeew— given to ordinary people doing extraordinary things for their eemmeettw— extraordinary things for their community, were there as community, were also there as were some ukrainian refugees and thete— were some ukrainian refugees and thete heete— were some ukrainian refugees and thete heete te— were some ukrainian refugees and their hosts to 30,000 people hewe— their hosts to 30,000 people hewe ttttet— their hosts to 30,000 people have filled windsor castle to tete— have filled windsor castle to tete the— have filled windsor castle to tete the tteg— have filled windsor castle to join the king and queen for the ceeeeettee— join the king and queen for the coronation concert— join the king and queen for the coronation concert . but earlier, coronation concert. but earlier, the heteee— coronation concert. but earlier, the prince and— coronation concert. but earlier, the prince and princess of wales eweeteet— the prince and princess of wales surprised those _ the prince and princess of wales surprised those queuing up for the eeet— surprised those queuing up for the event. and— surprised those queuing up for the event. and in— surprised those queuing up for the event. and in the party eeet.— the event. and in the party spirit, william— the event. and in the party spirit, william was heard tettegtw— spirit, william was heard jokingly asking people if they'd heeeght— jokingly asking people if they'd brought alcohol— jokingly asking people if they'd brought alcohol with them to eeteheete. — brought alcohol with them to celebrate. performers include tete— celebrate. performers include tete thet— celebrate. performers include take that katy— celebrate. performers include take that katy perry and lionel thete.— take that katy perry and lionel ttehte. ee— take that katy perry and lionel richie, as well— take that katy perry and lionel richie, as well as— take that katy perry and lionel richie, as well as special eeeeeeeeeee— richie, as well as special appearances from tom cruise, heme— appearances from tom cruise, heme teee— appearances from tom cruise, dame joan collins and sir tom weeee— dame joan collins and sir tom teeee the— dame joan collins and sir tom jones, the host,— dame joan collins and sir tom jones, the host, hugh bonneville eewe— jones, the host, hugh bonneville eewe tt-e— jones, the host, hugh bonneville eewe tt-e geteg— jones, the host, hugh bonneville eewe tt-e geteg te— jones, the host, hugh bonneville says it's going to be a great etght.— says it's going to be a great etght. theee— says it's going to be a great night. there are— says it's going to be a great night. there are so many eteeteet— night. there are so many standout moments. night. there are so many— standout moments. from what i've seen. there's a beautiful poem composed especially for the

event. composed especially for the event . there's a remarkable event. there's a remarkable finale , both visually and finale, both visually and aurally and some astonishing pop performances along the way. and as well as classical performances from andrea bocelli and sir bryn terfel . so i think and sir bryn terfel. so i think there really is something for everyone tonight. it's going to be magical . everyone tonight. it's going to be magical. the everyone tonight. it's going to be magical . the government everyone tonight. it's going to be magical. the government has defended the police response to protests ahead of the coronation after complaints that officers went too far . 52 people were went too far. 52 people were eweetee— went too far. 52 people were eeeeetet .— went too far. 52 people were arrested , including- 52 people were arrested , including from the arrested, including from the anti—monarchy— arrested, including from the anti—monarchy group republic. the— anti—monarchy group republic. teeweet— anti—monarchy group republic. teeweetstee— anti—monarchy group republic. and just stop oil. _ anti—monarchy group republic. and just stop oil. amnesty international's_ and just stop oil. amnesty international's policing experts say international's policing experts eew the— international's policing experts say the metropolitan police may hewe— say the metropolitan police may hewe mteeeet— say the metropolitan police may have misused new— say the metropolitan police may have misused new powers granted by have misused new powers granted hw the— have misused new powers granted hw the teeth— have misused new powers granted by the public order— have misused new powers granted by the public order bill, but the— by the public order bill, but the teete— by the public order bill, but the force insist— by the public order bill, but the force insist they acted in the— the force insist they acted in ttee wtth— the force insist they acted in line with legislation and the eetteee— line with legislation and the culture secretary , lucy frazer culture secretary, lucy frazer eete— culture secretary, lucy frazer eett the— culture secretary, lucy frazer eett the ew— culture secretary, lucy frazer said the new powers are there to be said the new powers are there to he eeet— said the new powers are there to he eeet . — said the new powers are there to he eeet . we— said the new powers are there to be used . we brought- said the new powers are there to be used. �*tfttti g i said the new powers are there to be used . �*tfttti g i be used. we brought in some legislation . the police said legislation. the police said they needed more powers , so they needed more powers, so we've given them them and i think then the police have to use their operational powers ,

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new hate speech— these laws and they call these new hate speech laws with teeth, whteh— new hate speech laws with teeth, whteh eee— new hate speech laws with teeth, which are basically— which are basically criminalising all sorts of theeghte— criminalising all sorts of theeghte .— criminalising all sorts of thoughts , but- criminalising all sorts of thoughts , but particularly thoughts, but particularly theeghte— thoughts, but particularly thoughts that might cause hate in thoughts that might cause hate te e— thoughts that might cause hate in a subjective— thoughts that might cause hate in a subjective now, in a subjective manner. now, stewe— in a subjective manner. now, stewe. twe— in a subjective manner. now, steve, i've talked— in a subjective manner. now, steve, i've talked a about steve, i've talked a lot about the— steve, i've talked a lot about this, written _ steve, i've talked a lot about this, written . book - steve, i've talked a lot about this, written book about it. this, written a book about it. i weeew— this, written a book about it. i weew eteet— this, written a book about it. i worry about this— this, written a book about it. i worry about this stuff, this teee— worry about this stuff, this ttee et— worry about this stuff, this idea of how— worry about this stuff, this idea of how the notion of hate whee— idea of how the notion of hate whee-eeteee— idea of how the notion of hate when-applied in- idea of how the notion of hate when applied in is so when it is applied in law is so eeheteee— when it is applied in law is so eeheteee-ee— when it is applied in law is so nebulous so subjective . nebulous and so subjective. theee-e— nebulous and so subjective. theee-e ee— nebulous and so subjective. there's no way— nebulous and so subjective. there's no way to really heeteettw— there's no way to really basically it's— there's no way to really basically it's wide open for exploitation— basically it's wide open for exploitation by— basically it's wide open for exploitation by anyone in power whe— exploitation by anyone in power whe weete— exploitation by anyone in power whe weete te— exploitation by anyone in power who wants to silence dissent. teeh. — who wants to silence dissent. teeh. .tt-e— who wants to silence dissent. yeah. .it's almost- who wants to silence dissent. yeah. .it's almost the. who wants to silence dissent. . yeah. .it's almost the steps yeah. and it's almost the steps that then have to be taken one step getting to the hate. step before getting to the hate. yes. but then there the problems, fact that if you problems, the fact that if you if any hateful material if you own any hateful material , this will be a problem. if you are preparing stuff like that. and the bottom of the and right down the bottom of the rules, the one that really gets me is it's illegal to withhold your if want your password. and if they want to out what's in to try and find out what's in your i've taken your computer, i've always taken pride the fact that i come up pride in the fact that i come up with a really difficult password. so i get arrested, password. so if i get arrested, not chance. no one's guessing. password. so if i get arrested, not nowance. no one's guessing. password. so if i get arrested, not now you're 0 one's guessing. password. so if i get arrested, not now you're thinkingjuessing. password. so if i get arrested, not now you're thinking ahead g. but now you're thinking ahead because good planning. because it's good planning. yeah, sounds yeah, but now that that sounds definitely let's definitely more than, oh, let's stop being hateful. that stop people being hateful. that sounds say authoritarian all sounds you say authoritarian all the and really easy

the time. and it's really easy to disagree and think surely he's until they ban he's wrong until they ban holding to holding your password to yourself. yeah. i look yourself. yeah. no, i think look ,_..u.g_ yourself. yeah. no, i think look ,_..u.g thteg- yourself. yeah. no, i think look ,-weird thing going. , there is a weird thing going on , there is a weird thing going eelteeteet— , there is a weird thing going onllreland and— , there is a weird thing going onllreland and i- , there is a weird thing going on ireland and i think it's on in ireland and i think it's heeeee— on in ireland and i think it's because-long- on in ireland and i think it's because long time they because for a long time they _weete— because for a long time they were _to .catholic were in thrall to the catholic cheeeh— were in thrall to the catholic cheeeh eet— were in thrall to the catholic church and they've reacted egeteet— church and they've reacted egeteet thet— church and they've reacted against that ,— church and they've reacted against that , you know, and against that, you know, and eeeeet— against that, you know, and eeeeet gew— against that, you know, and eeeeet gew-eetl against that, you know, and passed gay and all passed gay marriage and all theee— passed gay marriage and all theee geeet— passed gay marriage and all those great things. but then thew-ee— those great things. but then they're-things. - those great things. but then they're things. so far they're pushing things. so far they're pushing things. so far the—thet- the other way and it kind of eeeteeteg— the other way and it kind of replacing.with_ the other way and it kind of replacing .with a - the other way and it kind of replacing with a state replacing it with a new state eettgtee—thtei religion, which involves this the— religion, which involves this thet—teeeel religion, which involves thisj thet—heteee . religion, which involves this. kind—ideas , i kind of authoritarian ideas, i thet.— kind of authoritarian ideas, i thtet—mw- kind of authoritarian ideas, i think._my view. kind of authoritarian ideas, ii think._my view of think. well, that's my view of it. think. well, that's my view of t. _teem — think. well, that's my view of it.-from scotland,i it. you come from scotland, hee— it. you come from scotland, hee eet— it. you come from scotland, bruce, and course, i bruce, and of course, no, i do. the— bruce, and of course, no, i do. tetlwee-t— bruce, and of course, no, i do. tetlwee-t he— bruce, and of course, no, i do. and iwon't be _to- bruce, and of course, no, i do. andlwon't be-to like. and i won't be spoken to like that. well, yes, i'm sorry to raise that talk about being patronising. yeah , i do. but patronising. yeah, i do. but thew-we— patronising. yeah, i do. but thew-we get— patronising. yeah, i do. but thew-we get e— patronising. yeah, i do. but they've got a very- patronising. yeah, i do. but they've got a very ,- t; yeah, i do. but they've got a very , very they've got a very, very draconian _ they've got a very, very draconian hate speech, bill in seetteet— draconian hate speech, bill in scotland .well. - draconian hate speech, bill in scotland well. t:tit draconian hate speech, bill in. scotland-well. .do. and scotland as well. they do. and my mum thought because we all have have these smoke alarms have to have these smoke alarms that government and that are from the government and my that was going my mum thought that was going to be in the smoke alarm. be a camera in the smoke alarm. she she she genuinely thought that. she genuinely i genuinely thought that. i mean i did of agar on a wee bit, did kind of agar on a wee bit, but she genuinely thought she was going to be monitored. but i'm not. so what she was saying no one listens. i'm not eweeteett— no one listens. i'm not- surprised-surprised, surprised. i'm not surprised, heete—thteg- surprised. i'm not surprised,- bruce _thing.when bruce because the thing is, when

temte— bruce because the thing is, when eemee-eeeeet— bruce because the thing is, when humza-passed-hate. humza yousaf passed that hate eeeeeh— humza yousaf passed that hate eeeeeh-he— humza yousaf passed that hate speech-he added- humza yousaf passed that hate speech he added a section speech law, he added a section to speech law, he added a section te-httt— speech law, he added a section to-bill, which _ speech law, he added a section to-bill, which was- speech law, he added a section to bill, which was about in to that bill, which was about in weee— to that bill, which was about in weee-heme. — to that bill, which was about in weee-heme. te— to that bill, which was about in your home. in other words, your own home. in other words, wee— your own home. in other words, wee eee— your own home. in other words, wee he— your own home. in other words, you can be prosecuted for things you can be prosecuted for things wee-te— you can be prosecuted for things wee-he weee— you can be prosecuted for things wee-he weee ewe— you can be prosecuted for things you in your own smoke you say in your own home. smoke eteeme— you say in your own home. smoke eteme-thteg.— you say in your own home. smoke alarms,-thing,-thing- you say in your own home. smoke alarms, thing, thing in alarms, that thing, the thing in weteet— alarms, that thing, the thing in heteee-eetw— alarms, that thing, the thing in ireland-only got- alarms, that thing, the thing in ireland _only got a - alarms, that thing, the thing in ireland only got a grade ireland you've only got a grade a ireland you've only got a grade t-geete— ireland you've only got a grade t-geete c.— ireland you've only got a grade a-grade c, there's- ireland you've only got a grade a grade c, there's no a and a grade c, there's no geeete— a and a grade c, there's no geete h.— a and a grade c, there's no geete h. etght— a and a grade c, there's no grade b, right? - a and a grade c, there's no grade b, right ? g: til grade b, right? so grade c, i think is the most serious one. you can get up to two years in prison, whereas the grade a, i think it's only six months in a ,90 fine. i come back . ,90 fine. i come back to this eetet. hew— - ,90 fine. i come back to this eetet. hew—hete- - ,90 fine. i come back to this point, how—hate ?- point, how do we define hate? theee— point, how do we define hate? theee eee— point, how do we define hate? there are hate— point, how do we define hate? there are hate speech laws across-in various. across europe in various eeetetee — across europe in various countries. a countries. everyone's got a tttteeeet— countries. everyone's got ai different—one different definition. no one eeettw— different definition. no one eetw—tt- different definition. no onei really—it means. different definition. no one- really_it means. yeah really knows what it means. yeah it's really knows what it means. yeah he heeeeeteg— really knows what it means. yeah he heeeeeteg et— really knows what it means. yeah it's happening at a— really knows what it means. yeah it's happening at a time when eeetete— it's happening at a time when eeetete-eeete— it's happening at a time when people really getting people are really getting gettteg— people are really getting getting skilled at making themselves— getting skilled at making- themselves—victim. getting skilled at making- thensolves_victim. getting skilled at making- thenso you're-victim. getting skilled at making thenffittit ”ti ti�*"'titi.c ttiicg :tim. yes. so you're effectively training ability to training your ability to identify . yes. which is identify hate. yes. which is therefore happening wrong therefore happening the wrong time. things will time. you're more things will be classified when classified as hate when they weren't intended and weren't intended as such and could be dealt with in a different way, but instead we just presume that someone just presume that if someone doesn't it's the doesn't like a thing, it's the same that's not same as hate. and that's not true. right. and bruce bruce eeett— true. right. and bruce bruce teeth—et— true. right. and bruce bruce eeett—et e- true. right. and bruce bruce could _of a hate. true. right. and bruce bruce. could _of a hate crime could accuse me of a hate crime for—scottishnessl for mentioning his scottishness in for mentioning his scottishness te—eeett— for mentioning his scottishness te—eeett he- for mentioning his scottishness in could be accused in that way i could be accused of

in that way i could be accused et-hetetet— in that way i could be accusedi of-hateful-music of being hateful towards music heeeee— of being hateful towards music heeeee t-m— of being hateful towards music because i'm.fan_ of being hateful towards music because i'm fan of dannii because i'm a fan of dannii ttteegee. — because i'm a fan of dannii minogue. where- because i'm a fan of dannii minogue. ”ti c because i'm a fan of dannii minogue. �*tftttiii : c ti :7 minogue. where does it end? well, exactly. yes. very well, quite exactly. yes. very good well, quite exactly. yes. very. geet—geeettee good point. so our next question is good point. so our next question te—wheee— good point. so our next question te—wheee te- good point. so our next question is_where is elaine?| is from elaine, where is elaine? hi, is from elaine, where is elaine? ht ttetee. — is from elaine, where is elaine? hi, elaine.-hello - is from elaine, where is elaine? hi, elaine. hello : hi, elaine. hello. hello could you— hi, elaine. hello. hello could wee-weteet— hi, elaine. hello. hello could you-without your- hi, elaine. hello. hello could you without your mobile you live without your mobile phone? well, i'll you live without your mobile phone? well , i'll actually phone? well, i'll actually eeehehtw— phone? well, i'll actually eeehehtw t— 7 well, i'll actually probably i should, but i eeetee-t.— probably i should, but i eeetee-t. — probably i should, but i couldn't. it's- probably i should, but i couldn't. c cticyt couldn't. it's absolutely terrible. but this is an interesting study has just come out which has found that teenagers, they risk being disqualified from exams just because they can't bear to part with their phones. and of course, they have the course, they can't have the phones exam room. but phones in the exam room. but they as a kind of they say they have as a kind of comfort but it's almost comfort blanket. but it's almost like an extra appendage now, isn't that just like an extra appendage now, isnused that just like an extra appendage now, isnused havingt just like an extra appendage now, isnused having the just like an extra appendage now, isnused having the phone: so used to having the phone around actually there's around us? you actually there's even where call even this thing where they call it phantom it something like phantom calling, where you feel it vibrate your but it vibrate in your pocket. but it hasn't. hasn't at all. you're hasn't. it hasn't at all. you're just psychologically just so psychologically connected your toilet. connected to your phone toilet. it could be that, yeah, it could just be that, yeah, you're willing it to call you. you're willing it to you. you're willing it to call you. whet— you're willing it to call you. whet-wee— you're willing it to call you. whetlwee-et- you're willing it to call you. | what-you-of-is you're willing it to call you. . what-you-of-is it what do you make of this? is it i think it's just young i don't think it's just young people. i think i think people of our age, people older of our age, people of older generations their of our age, people of older generati oh, their of our age, people of older generati oh, my their of our age, people of older generati oh, my brother's their phones. oh, my brother's terrible. mean, you terrible. yeah. i mean, you teew.— terrible. yeah. i mean, youl teew—hee.

know, it's fine because he's. hee— know, it's fine because he's. he-e-mw— know, it's fine because he's. he-e-mw-he-e- he's like my mum. he's a ungu— he's like my mum. he's a dullard,.it_ he's like my mum. he's a dullard, it keeps him from dullard, so it keeps him from tettteg. — dullard, so it keeps him from tettteg. het— dullard, so it keeps him from talking. but-it- talking. but he's on it constantly. _ talking. but he's on it constantly. i- talking. but he's on it constantly. i hope he doesn't wetee— constantly. i hope he doesn't weteh-tv. - constantly. i hope he doesn't watch-tv. well,- constantly. i hope he doesn'ti watch-tv. well, they constantly. i hope he doesn't- watch-tv. well, they do. watch you on tv. well, they do. thet-e— watch you on tv. well, they do. thet-e whw— watch you on tv. well, they do. thet-e whw|eett— watch you on tv. well, they do. that's whyisaid at. _ watch you on tv. well, they do. that's whyisaid at. why- watch you on tv. �*tfttticc t:tit that's why said at. why don't that's why i said at. why don't you— that's why i said at. why don't wee-etteettee— that's why i said at. why don't you-attention to- that's why i said at. why don't you attention to that. i'll you pay attention to that. i'll be you pay attention to that. i'll he teetteg— you pay attention to that. i'll be looking-his— you pay attention to that. i'll be looking his phone. be looking at his phone. theetetetw. — be looking at his phone. absolutely. - a - be looking at his phone. absolutely. .a worry,l absolutely. it is a worry, though, worry about though, and i worry about myself sometimes think when i'm sometimes when i think when i'm walking street or walking down the street or walking down the street or walking countryside, walking through the countryside, beautiful walking through the countryside, bealgot l walking through the countryside, bealgot i'm on my phone looking i've got i'm on my phone looking at just a little bit at the that's just a little bit of willpower. of tweaking with willpower. like look you like you could look around you het— like you could look around you het we— like you could look around you more, but we shouldn't. we eheette-t— more, but we shouldn't. we shouldn't vilify_ more, but we shouldn't. we shouldn't vilify the phone. but wav— shouldn't vilify the phone. but eew-theee — shouldn't vilify the phone. but way these phones way before these phones were teweeteet— way before these phones were tewethteg— way before these phones were invething university. i'm this thing at university. i i'm ett— this thing at university. i i'm ett-mtght- this thing at university. i i'm old-might not- this thing at university. i i'm old might not be old now, so it might not be remembered— old now, so it might not be remembered but they remembered exactly, but they etteetet— remembered exactly, but they extended _so - remembered exactly, but they extended _so if. remembered exactly, but they. extended _so if you extended brain theory. so if you teew— extended brain theory. so if you know someone— extended brain theory. so if you know someone knows phone know someone knows a phone eemehe— know someone knows a phone eeetee—geee- know someone knows a phonei number,-goes,.ain't number, your brain goes, i ain't going— number, your brain goes, i ain't geteg—thet.- number, your brain goes, i ain't geteg—thet. andl going to remember that. and thet-e— going to remember that. andi that's—remembers that's why no one remembers the any—becausel any numbers anymore because thew-ee— they're all stored now we're eeeewteg— they're all stored now we're. eeeewteg—get they're all stored now we're. carr internet _ got they're all stored now we're carrinternet and got they're all stored now we're carrinternet and therefore got they're all stored now we're carrinternet and therefore all the internet and therefore all the internet and therefore all the information _ the internet and therefore all the information yes so it the information on it. yes so it is the information on it. yes so it he etteettwetw— the information on it. yes so it is effectively part— the information on it. yes so it is effectively part of our heete— is effectively part of our heete-et— is effectively part of our brain,-of our- is effectively part of our brain, of our knowledge brain, part of our knowledge teee— brain, part of our knowledge base—presumes. brain, part of our knowledge base—presumes i| brain, part of our knowledge- base_presumes i know base. our brain presumes i know all base. our brain presumes i know ett-ee— base. our brain presumes i know ett-ee theee. — base. our brain presumes i know all-on there. .whenl all the stuff on there. so when you— all the stuff on there. so when wee-hewe— all the stuff on there. so when wee-hewe-eheee- all the stuff on there. so when you have phone with you don't have your phone with you,— you don't have your phone with vow-vou— you don't have your phone with wee-wee teet- you don't have your phone withi you,-you feel-feel you, of course you feel you feel eetee. — you, of course you feel you feel eetee. .et— you, of course you feel you feel eetee. .et-te— you, of course you feel you feel naked. of is missing. naked. part of me is missing. the— naked. part of me is missing. the tt— naked. part of me is missing. the tt ttee— naked. part of me is missing. and if elon musk— naked. part of me is missing. and if elon musk has- naked. part of me is missing. and if elon musk has his- naked. part of me is missing. and if elon musk has his way, he's going to start implanting that computer your so he's going to start implanting thatcantputer your so he's going to start implanting thatcan access your so

he's going to start implanting thatcan access everything, so he's going to start implanting thatcan access everything, which you can access everything, which would but would be convenient. but it makes us effectively cyborgs, doesn't going to do he doesn't it? is he going to do he wants do that. it's called wants to do that. it's called transhumanism. oh, yeah. yeah. no, get password no, definitely get my password then. exactly. then. yeah. well, exactly. i think stuff. anyway, think it's scary stuff. anyway, we're going to to another we're going to go on to another question now. and this one is coming gavin. like coming from gavin. i always like the gavin hello. hello. the name gavin. hello. hello. our beards . the next of our beards. the next victim of the— our beards. the next victim of the eetteee— our beards. the next victim of the culture wars— our beards. the next victim of the culture wars . _ our beards. the next victim of the culture wars . �*tfttticc extiti the culture wars. well, bruce certainly hopes not. the thing about the beard thing is this is again, scotland police scotland. they're planning new policy they're planning a new policy where police have be clean where police have to be clean shaven. where police have to be clean shaven . an but this sometimes shaven. an but this sometimes means that the police are going to have shave more once to have to shave more than once a day because are some a day because there are some very hirsute men in scotland and women time we get women and so by the time we get to the second 4:00 shadow, 5:00 shadow, you're going to have to shave but this is shave again. but this is apparently because of masks, apparently because of the masks, because know, because there are, you know, those that clamp those covid masks, that clamp right so hannibal right to the face. so hannibal lecter on the face. lecter style right on the face. you need to be completely clean shaven, stubble. shaven, even a stubble. and they're if they're thinking, well, what if we have to deploy these masks again? everyone's be again? so everyone's got to be clean the clean shaven. do you think the police have do this?

police should have to do this? no, i think it's a bit nonsensical. and you're right. whet— nonsensical. and you're right. whet-e— nonsensical. and you're right. whet-e teew- nonsensical. and you're right. what a lady called what if you're a lady called teeeew— what if you're a lady called teeeew-e— what if you're a lady called teeeew-e teew- what if you're a lady called tracey a furry face? that's tracey with a furry face? that's vou— tracey with a furry face? that's wee teew. — tracey with a furry face? that's wee teew. ceme— tracey with a furry face? that's you know, come on, tracey, you eee-t— you know, come on, tracey, you eeet-theee. — you know, come on, tracey, you can't-there. we're- you know, come on, tracey, you can't there. we're going you know, come on, tracey, you ca have there. we're going you know, come on, tracey, you ca have to there. we're going you know, come on, tracey, you ca have to akua re. we're going you know, come on, tracey, you ca have to akua or we're going you know, come on, tracey, you ca have to akua or somethingg you know, come on, tracey, you ca have to akua or something . to have to akua or something. thte— to have to akua or something. ttte tt-e— to have to akua or something. ttte tt-e geteg— to have to akua or something. like it's going to— to have to akua or something. like it's going to get very ewtweet— like it's going to get very awkward police is who like it's going to get very- awkward-police is who was awkward in the police is who was thet— awkward in the police is who was thet thteg— awkward in the police is who was that thing from _ awkward in the police is who was that thing from batman bane that had that thing from batman bane that hee-meett— that thing from batman bane that had-mask?-yes.- that thing from batman bane that had-mask?-yes. no,. had the big mask? yes. yes. no, we—tt— had the big mask? yes. yes. no, we—tt he— had the big mask? yes. yes. no,| we_if he-beard we don't know if he had a beard or we don't know if he had a beard ee whetewee— we don't know if he had a beard or whatever..should- we don't know if he had a beard or whatever. should they or whatever. so should they not be or whatever. so should they not tee—thete - or whatever. so should they not be _that? that's. be checking for that? that's a wee— be checking for that? that's a wee geee— be checking for that? that's a very good point. do you very good point. what do you make this? your beard? make of all this? your beard? i'm bearded. yeah. are you? i'm weee— i'm bearded. yeah. are you? i'm weee whe.— i'm bearded. yeah. are you? i'm weeewtte. we— i'm bearded. yeah. are you? i'm yourwife. no did— i'm bearded. yeah. are you? i'm your wife. no did down.- 3: yeah. are you? i'm your wife. no did down. that your wife. no did down. not that guy-— your wife. no did down. not that gew. tee— your wife. no did down. not that gew. tee thew— your wife. no did down. not that guy. are they banning those kind of guy. are they banning those kind et heeete— guy. are they banning those kind et heeete e— guy. are they banning those kind of beards ? well,— guy. are they banning those kind of beards ? well, then makes of beards? well, then that makes a of beards? well, then that makes e-ttet— of beards? well, then that makes e-ttet et— of beards? well, then that makes a-kind of issue.- of beards? well, then that makes a-kind of issue. the- a different kind of issue. the teweetee— a different kind of issue. the lavender-but- a different kind of issue. thei lavender- but people lavender beards. but people won't what the hell you're won't know what the hell you're talking about. by the way, i met— talking about. by the way, i thtet eeme— talking about. by the way, i think some of— talking about. by the way, i think some of them- t; by the way, i think some of them do. c think some of them do. it's gay. it's think some of them do. it's gay. tt-e—stewe. i it's gay slang. go on, steve. other unworkable. othei « unworkable. surely other it's unworkable. surely you— other it's unworkable. surely wee—eeetet- other it's unworkable. surely you—control the l you can't really control the eetw— you can't really control the eetw eeeeee— you can't really control the only reason i've— you can't really control the only reason i've got a bit of a heeet—geew- only reason i've got a bit of a beard—grew one. only reason i've got a bit of al beard—grew one in beard is because i grew one in teettewe— beard is because i grew one in teettewe-eet- beard is because i grew one in lockdown. out ginger, lockdown. it came out ginger, whteh— lockdown. it came out ginger, whteh wee— lockdown. it came out ginger, whteh e— lockdown. it came out ginger, which was a surprise to everyone heeeee— which was a surprise to everyone heeeeeee-tw- which was a surprise to everyone because-knowlwas. because i did not know i was a eeetee-tt— because i did not know i was a carrier. .it turns— because i did not know i was a carrier. .it turns out- because i did not know i was a carrier. it turns out you carrier. but it turns out you eemhe-t— carrier. but it turns out you eee-we-t teet- carrier. but it turns out you can-i've kept it. carrier. but it turns out you- can-i've kept it because can be. and i've kept it because it can be. and i've kept it because tt eeettw— can be. and i've kept it because it really hides— can be. and i've kept it because it really hides the— can be. and i've kept it because it really hides the lack of any tettetttee— it really hides the lack of any definition-in- it really hides the lack of any definition-in the- it really hides the lack of any definition in the lower definition i've got in the lower eett— definition i've got in the lower hee-teee.— definition i've got in the lower half-face. so— definition i've got in the lower half-face. so i- definition i've got in the lower half face. so i would push half of my face. so i would push heet—eeeete- back against it if people could see back against it if people could the— back against it if people could

the teet— back against it if people could see the fact that— back against it if people could see the fact that it all just geee— see the fact that it all just geee tete — see the fact that it all just geee tete h— see the fact that it all just goes into 15 chins. no it would mete—eetee. i goes into 15 chins. no it wouldi make—police. but make me leave the police. but you— make me leave the police. but wee-seeetw— make me leave the police. but wee-seeetw-eee- you can't. surely there are eettgteee— you can't. surely there are religious—have. religious reasons to have teeth — religious reasons to have teeth _tel religious reasons to have- beards. _inlworld beards. we're living in a world wheee— beards. we're living in a world wheee wee— beards. we're living in a world where you can't— beards. we're living in a world where you can't criticise someone many parts where you can't criticise- someone-many parts of someone for so many parts of thete— someone for so many parts of thete eeetetee— someone for so many parts of their decision what they how their decision of what they how thew— their decision of what they how thew-. — their decision of what they how thew-. tt-e— their decision of what they how they-. it'slcivil- they dress. it's a civil liberties right? so liberties thing, right? so surely just people liberties thing, right? so. surely just-people have surely just let people have heete— surely just let people have beards,.crying- surely just let people have beards, crying out loud. c beards, for crying out loud. it teee— beards, for crying out loud. it does seem very— beards, for crying out loud. it does seem very strange- beards, for crying out loud. c beards, for crying out loud. it does seem very strange to me. when's coming when's this coming in? this weet.— when's this coming in? this weet-eew.— when's this coming in? this week-wow. well,- when's this coming in? this. week-wow. well,-we week. oh, wow. well, there we go. it's fault. clearly go. it's your fault. clearly scottish police. absolutely. okay, we're move on okay, we're going to move on now. do we have another question? from eugenie. question? we do. from eugenie. eugenie pronounced that eugenie have i pronounced that correctly ? it's eugene. oh okay. correctly? it's eugene. oh okay. sorry about that . would you pay sorry about that. would you pay theee— sorry about that. would you pay theee e— sorry about that. would you pay theee e weee— sorry about that. would you pay 20,000 a year to— sorry about that. would you pay 20,000 a year to eat— would you pay 20,000 a year to eat worms and geeeeheeeeeee — 20,000 a year to eat worms and grasshoppers? c grasshoppers? okay, well, it sounds like a bargain to me. these are these are environmentally conscious students at north london collegiate school , and they collegiate school, and they voted. now the kids voted to add insects to their school dinners. so they're going to have, what, teriyaki grasshopper and mexican rice topped with buffalo worms . rice topped with buffalo worms. steve, are you a fan of this? look, i'm a i'm a vegetarian, so

this i would be out of there anyway. so what do you make of this ? i of course, kids voted this? i of course, kids voted tee— this? i of course, kids voted tee thte— this? i of course, kids voted tee thte. tt— this? i of course, kids voted for this. it seems— ;7 i of course, kids voted for this. it seems like if you tet— for this. it seems like if you tet e— for this. it seems like if you tet e ehttt— for this. it seems like if you let a child pick— for this. it seems like if you let a child pick what to eat, of thew— let a child pick what to eat, of thew ge— let a child pick what to eat, of course, they go in— let a child pick what to eat, of course, they go in the garden eet— course, they go in the garden eet eett— course, they go in the garden eet eett eet— course, they go in the garden and pull out some worms like the. — and pull out some worms like the. theee— and pull out some worms like this. these are— and pull out some worms like this. : this. these are supposed to be posh kids, they? yeah. posh kids, aren't they? yeah. well, i'm sure you ti; i”tis c c"ti�*1«t7’ yeah. well, i'm sure you could eeeeetege— well, i'm sure you couldl repackage-know. repackage it as you know. heteee— repackage it as you know. pretend .fancy - repackage it as you know.- pretend .fancy - fancy repackage it as you know.- pretejust .fancy - fancy repackage it as you know. pretejust hasancy fancy repackage it as you know. pretejust has big fancy repackage it as you know. pretejust has big words fancy repackage it as you know. pretejust has big words inncy repackage it as you know. pretejust has big words in front food just has big words in front of food just has big words in front et ht.— food just has big words in front et t. the— food just has big words in front et tt. thte te— food just has big words in front of it. this is what,— food just has big words in front of it. this is what, as a weetteg— of it. this is what, as a working class- of it. this is what, as a working class lad, i watch masterchef_ working class lad, i watchi masterchef_you working class lad, i watch- masterchef_you don't masterchef and realise you don't meet— masterchef and realise you don't need - adjectives. - masterchef and realise you don't need-adjectives. i- masterchef and realise you don't need adjectives. i eat need so many adjectives. i eat ehtetee— need so many adjectives. i eat chicken,-people - chicken, but posh people have teeth— locally sourced free range, sustainably— locally sourced free range, sustainably yes, locally sourced free range, su course. yes, locally sourced free range, su course. come yes, locally sourced free range, su course. come on. yes, locally sourced free range, su course. come on. i yes, locally sourced free range, su course. tit" ~;titc.cyes, locally sourced free range, su course. tit" of course. come on. i soul and you posh people have pink himalayan salt. himalayan and rock salt. there's words than my cv. there's more words than my cv. tet— there's more words than my cv. tet-the— there's more words than my cv. tet-the eemh- there's more words than my cv. and _the same,.be- and it tastes the same, to be honest. yeah loads of it's the same. so! honest. yeah loads of it's the same. so i think it's if the thte— same. so i think it's if the thee-tt— same. so i think it's if the kids-it,-not?- same. so i think it's if the kids-it,-not? butl same. so i think it's if the. kids-it,-not? but it's kids want it, why not? but it's a kids want it, why not? but it's e eeettee— kids want it, why not? but it's a problem with— kids want it, why not? but it's a problem with eating. i'm not eee-eeette- a problem with eating. i'm not eee-eeetete whe- a problem with eating. i'm not one people who thinks one of these people who thinks thew-ee— one of these people who thinks thew-ee-te — one of these people who thinks they're-to change- they're trying to change hemeettw— they're trying to change humanity and make us all eat hege— humanity and make us all eat hege-thew— humanity and make us all eat hege-thew weet- bugs because they want to try eet—wett- bugs because they want to try. and _well, that's and control us all. well, that's one of those conspiracy theories that going end up that we're all going to end up eating do the eating insects. where do the vegetarians with vegetarians stay with that conspiratorial yeah, conspiratorial thinking? yeah, because i wouldn't i wouldn't do that. says quorn that. and it says a quorn alternative you alternative to grubs. but you already eat plants which are even down the chain

even lower down the food chain than it's than bugs. oh, i see. okay. it's gross, isn't bruce? i mean, gross, isn't it, bruce? i mean, am being judgemental? i am ijust being judgemental? i think in my experience, think you are. in my experience, theegh— think you are. in my experience, theegh te— think you are. in my experience, theegh te tt— think you are. in my experience, though, is it not— think you are. in my experience, though, is it not adults, dare i say— though, is it not adults, dare i eew—eettl say celebrities that are paid tzehoo— say celebrities that are paid £20,000 _eat- say celebrities that are paidi £20,000 _eat these say celebrities that are paid- £20,000 _eat these in £20,000 to go and eat these in teeteettee— £20,000 to go and eat these in australia? normally is. i australia? yeah, normally is. i met— australia? yeah, normally is. i thet—et- think it's just a load of ehttteee— think it's just a load of children that- think it's just a load of children that want to be the children that want to be in the teegte—he- children that want to be in thei jungle,_be famous. jungle, that want to be famous. i jungle, that want to be famous. t thtet— jungle, that want to be famous. t thtet tt-e— jungle, that want to be famous. i think it's ridiculous. well thet-e— i think it's ridiculous. well thet-e tt— i think it's ridiculous. well that's it-it?- i think it's ridiculous. well that's it-it? - i think it's ridiculous. well that's it-it? that- i think it's ridiculous. well. that's it-it? thatjungle that's it isn't it? that jungle show, it that's it isn't it.7 that jungle show, it called? in show, what's it called? i'm in a jungle something. jungle or something. i'm a celebrity. get me out here. celebrity. get me out of here. i am — celebrity. get me out of here. i am la— celebrity. get me out of here. i am la jungle. — celebrity. get me out of here. i am .a jungle. that's- car get me out of here. i am a jungle. that's the spin am in a jungle. that's the spin off on— am in a jungle. that's the spin off on m. — am in a jungle. that's the spin off on itv2. i— am in a jungle. that's the spin off on itv2. i think- am in a jungle. that's the spin off on itv2. " off on itv2. i think i'm in a jungle. would be a better title. but that's the thing. were but that's the thing. we were talking— but that's the thing. we werei talking—wed talking about that before we'd comeou-re-v— talking about that before we'd come you're getting bags talking about that before we'd co pity, you're getting bags talking about that before we'd co pity, pitylu're getting bags talking about that before we'd co pity, pity worms getting bags talking about that before we'd co pity, pity worms orgetting bags talking about that before we'd co pity, pity worms or pityng bags talking about that before we'd co pity, pity worms or pity pityags of pity, pity worms or pity pity because— of pity, pity worms or pity pity because-that— of pity, pity worms or pity pity because .that-no- of pity, pity worms or pity pity because .that-no i. of pity, pity worms or pity pity because that no i think because of that show. no i think for because of that show. no i think fer-eemee— because of that show. no i think for school managed for this school they've managed to for this school they've managedj ee—punehmem to source, but it's a punishment in the— to source, but it's a punishment in the eeew- — to source, but it's a punishment in the show. am— to source, but it's a punishment in the show. am i— to source, but it's a punishment in the show. 'l�*~l w"€7’ in the show. am i not wrong? it's a punishment you have it's a punishment that you have to eat the invertebrates. yeah. isn't that. is right? well, isn't that. is that right.7 well, in punishment. i isn't that. is that right.7 well, in spending nishment. i isn't that. is that right.7 well, in spending thatnent. i isn't that. is that right.7 well, in spending that many i isn't that. is that right.7 well, in spending that many weeks imagine spending that many weeks with—actuat- with matt hancock is the actual punishment.— with matt hancock is the actual punishment. but— with matt hancock is the actual punishment. but yeah, know with matt hancock is the actual punisyou�*nt. but yeah, know with matt hancock is the actual punisyou�*nt.butyeah, know with matt hancock is the actual punisyou�*nt. butyeah, butnow with matt hancock is the actual punisyou�*nt. butyeah, but itw what you mean. yeah, but it deem-t— what you mean. yeah, but it doesn't appetising to me doesn't feel appetising to me anyway. — doesn't feel appetising to me anyway. oo— doesn't feel appetising to me anyway. 00 you— doesn't feel appetising to me anyway. doesn't feel appetising to me- anyway. do you remember hedgehog chsps? anyway. do you remember hedgehog crisps? not turn crisps? no, they did not turn hedgehogs well, hedgehogs into crisps. well, they hedgehog flavoured. they were hedgehog flavoured. hedgehog they were hedgehog flavoured. hedgeithat's an abomination. i think that's an abomination. well, there go. okay you

well, there you go. okay you heard— well, there you go. okay you heardlhere_ well, there you go. okay you heardlhere first. - well, there you go. okay you heard here first. 043, heard it here first. okay, well, look— heard it here first. okay, well, look .— heard it here first. okay, well, look , that's quite enough of look, that's quite enough of that. next on free speech that. up next on free speech nation, we're going to be talking the director birth talking to the director of birth gap, a film about gap, which is a film about population and population decline and why students at cambridge university tried to cancel it. of course, they did see you in a moment. who .

further back live across the uk. this— further back live across the uk. this is— further back live across the uk. iiis is es— further back live across the uk. this is gb news— further back live across the uk. this is gb news radio- further back live across the uk. this is gb news radio .- this is gb news radio. and welcome back to free speech nation. students at cambridge universiiy. — nation. students at cambridge universiiy. vie— nation. students at cambridge university. we have— \. iii" students at cambridge university. we have tried to ssncei— university. we have tried to ssnssi s— university. we have tried to cancel a viewing of the film sini— cancel a viewing of the film siiiii sap— cancel a viewing of the film siiiii sap ,— cancel a viewing of the film birth gap, which is a film about the phenomenon— birth gap, which is a film about the phenomenon of worldwide issiining— the phenomenon of worldwide declining birth— the phenomenon of worldwide declining birth rates. the issumsni— declining birth rates. the issumsni ,— declining birth rates. the document , which blames the trend document, which blames the trend on document, which blames the trend sn sis— document, which blames the trend on is siss— document, which blames the trend on the quote, pitfalls of feminism— on the quote, pitfalls of feminism and- on the quote, pitfalls of feminism and the modern dating wm,— feminism and the modern dating wsiii, is— feminism and the modern dating wsiii, is iss— feminism and the modern dating world, is due to— feminism and the modern dating world, is due to be— feminism and the modern dating world, is due to be screened at sain— world, is due to be screened at saini join-s— world, is due to be screened at saint john's college. this ssming— saint john's college. this coming friday.- saint john's college. this coming friday. but critics on samasp— coming friday. but critics on sampas mass— coming friday. but critics on campus have labelled the film

imsisiiiiy— campus have labelled the film incredibly—and. incredibly condescending and assassi— incredibly condescending and assassi ms— incredibly condescending and accused the director of misogyny . nam— accused the director of misogyny . nam, im— accused the director of misogyny . now, i'm pleased— accused the director of misogyny . now, i'm pleased to say the dissim— . now, i'm pleased to say the iiissiai ai— . now, i'm pleased to say the director of the— . now, i'm pleased to say the director of the movie, stephen j. director of the movie, stephen j- sham— director of the movie, stephen j- sham, wiii— director of the movie, stephen j. shaw, will joining in j. shaw, will be joining me in a mamsm— j. shaw, will be joining me in a mamsm sai— j. shaw, will be joining me in a moment. but i've— j. shaw, will be joining me in a moment. but i've also got the siaismi— moment. but i've also got the siaismi ima— moment. but i've also got the student who-him - student who invited him to speak,— student who invited him to. sams—asia speak, charlie bentley. aster imam— speak, charlie bentley. aster mam vou— speak, charlie bentley. aster thank you joining me . thank you for joining me. shama— thank you for joining me. charlie-this— thank you for joining me. charlie-this this- thank you for joining me. charlie-this this evil- thank you for joining me. charlie this this evil film charlie is this this evil film that the protesters are claiming that the protesters are claiming that it is? of course it isn't. vau— that it is? of course it isn't. vaa mam— that it is? of course it isn't. you know, it's— that it is? of course it isn't. you know, it's a— that it is? of course it isn't. you know, it's a film- c 57’ of course it isn't. you know, it's a film covering all you know, it's a film covering aii ms— you know, it's a film covering all the different— you know, it's a film covering all the different reasons why sssimg— all the different reasons why we're seeing a— all the different reasons why we're seeing a decline in the maria-s— we're seeing a decline in the world's population. and it is across the world, this phenomenon. countries , across the world, this- phenomenon.-countries , all phenomenon. all countries, all isiiaiams— phenomenon. all countries, all religions-seeing— phenomenon. all countries, all religions seeing this religions are seeing this this map— religions are seeing this this map im— religions are seeing this this map in im— religions are seeing this this drop in in-world- religions are seeing this this drop in in world population. drop in in the world population. ves— drop in in the world population. vss. imi— drop in in the world population. vss. mm is— drop in in the world population. yes. and it's just— drop in in the world population. yes. and it's just it's testing why— yes. and it's just it's testing mm mm— yes. and it's just it's testing mm may as— yes. and it's just it's testing why why are these things happening?— why why are these things happening? so that's what the im— happening? so that's what the film explores. _ happening? so that's what the film explores. li�*v�*mif�*c ”it; happening? so that's what the film explores. li�*v�*mif�*c piz; film explores. what are the critics claiming that the film is about? oh, well, the claiming mai— is about? oh, well, the claiming imai ms— is about? oh, well, the claiming imai ms iiim — is about? oh, well, the claiming that the film is— 7 oh, well, the claiming that the film is telling women amas— that the film is telling women what so— that the film is telling women what as is— that the film is telling women what to do with— that the film is telling women what to do with their bodies, mas—asap- that women need to drop svsmmime— everything and have children issaass—sa because the world's going to saiiapss— because the world's going to collapse-doesn't. - collapse if it doesn't. obviously— collapse if it doesn't. - obviously-what the obviously that's not what the iiim — obviously that's not what the iiim lsayimg. — obviously that's not what the film . saying. the - obviously that's not what the film saying. the film is film is saying. the film is maimiy— film is saying. the film is mainly women— film is saying. the film is mainly women who are of mainly women who are sort of high— mainly women who are sort of high achievers— mainly women who are sort of high achievers who have prioritised— high achievers who have prioritised career , who are prioritised career, who are same— prioritised career, who are issiimg sams— prioritised career, who are feeling some regret, some of mem— feeling some regret, some of them ia— feeling some regret, some of them for mas— feeling some regret, some of them for not having children

sausa— them for not having children saiiisi ami— them for not having children earlier and experiencing ismiiisy— earlier and experiencing fertility difficulties in their iam— fertility difficulties in their iassi iiis— fertility difficulties in their later life and— fertility difficulties in their later life and before we go to ms— later life and before we go to the director— later life and before we go to the director of— later life and before we go to the director of the film, can i tass— the director of the film, can i iass ask— the director of the film, can i iasa ask you,— the director of the film, can i iasa ask you, you— the director of the film, can i just ask you, you invited him for just ask you, you invited him iai mis— just ask you, you invited him for this screening and you wamsi— for this screening and you wanted people— for this screening and you wanted people to be able to come and wanted people to be able to come ams-ms— wanted people to be able to come ams-ms iiim — wanted people to be able to come and-the film if— wanted people to be able to come and .the film if they- wanted people to be able to come and the film if they wanted and see the film if they wanted to and see the film if they wanted sa-iiim. — and see the film if they wanted to-film. what- and see the film if they wanted to-film. what did- and see the film if they wanted to-film. what did thei to see the film. what did the students and prevent students do to try and prevent this? so initially they started booking. so tickets are free booking. so the tickets are free issaass— booking. so the tickets are free issaavsss-sm- q so the tickets are free because every student because i wanted every student was— because i wanted every student miss wamsi— because i wanted every student who wanted to— because i wanted every student who wanted to come to able to who wanted to come to be able to sams-mes— who wanted to come to be able to come _they started - who wanted to come to be able to come they started booking who wanted to come to be able to conthe they started booking who wanted to come to be able to conthe ticketsey started booking who wanted to come to be able to conthe tickets instarted booking who wanted to come to be able to conthe tickets in theird booking who wanted to come to be able to conthe tickets in their sortoking who wanted to come to be able to conthe tickets in their sort of ng out the tickets in their sort of ams— out the tickets in their sort of tens ami— out the tickets in their sort of tens and there's— out the tickets in their sort of tens and there's of tens and there's only sort of mo.— tens and there's only sort of iss-msy— tens and there's only sort of 150--they-justl 150. and so they were just basking— 150. and so they were just basking am— 150. and so they were just booking out the venue repeatedly so booking out the venue repeatedly sa you-i— booking out the venue repeatedly sa yams-am— booking out the venue repeatedly sa yams-am empty— booking out the venue repeatedly so you'd an empty room . so you'd get an empty room. mam— so you'd get an empty room. mam-imi- so you'd get an empty room. yeah,_and-then yeah, exactly. and then then sissy— yeah, exactly. and then then sissy-aa— yeah, exactly. and then then sissy-ta pm- yeah, exactly. and then then they-to put hit- yeah, exactly. and then then they to put hit pieces they started to put hit pieces in ms— they started to put hit pieces in the student— they started to put hit pieces in the student newspaper. and the in the student newspaper. and sis-mis— in the student newspaper. and sis-mis is— in the student newspaper. and the-this is to- the tactic of this is to intimidate— the tactic of this is to intimidate other students and aim— intimidate other students and aim stam— intimidate other students and other staff out— intimidate other students and other staff out of going for fear— other staff out of going for. fear—mm fear of being associated with wim— fear of being associated with with a— fear of being associated with with a misogynistic transphobic , mamapiiaiis— with a misogynistic transphobic , homophobic, bigoted film which sissy-vs— , homophobic, bigoted film which they've decided— , homophobic, bigoted film which they've decided they haven't a.— they've decided they haven't seen it. right?— they've decided they haven't seen it. right? they haven't a.— seen it. right? they haven't is. they— seen it. right? they haven't seen it. they couldn't have seen it seen it. they couldn't have seen is isssaass— seen it. they couldn't have seen it because it's— seen it. they couldn't have seen it because it's full— seen it. they couldn't have seen it because it's full version is mos— it because it's full version is mos mime.— it because it's full version is not online. and— it because it's full version is not online. and the bit that is mine— not online. and the bit that is mine omis— not online. and the bit that is online only deals— not online. and the bit that is online only deals with the economic side— online only deals with the economic side of the decline. so economic side of the decline. ss mas-is— economic side of the decline. so they're protesting- economic side of the decline. so they're protesting against something they know nothing about and they're protesting

against a that doesn't against a film that doesn't actually it's their actually exist. it's in their minds. but wouldn't minds. yes, but you wouldn't minds. yes, but you wouldn't mind were protesting, mind if they were protesting, would because that's their would you? because that's their right. no. in fact, i've been in mamma— right. no. in fact, i've been in massing—as- fighting for their right to ssmimas— fighting for their right to continue _youl fighting for their right to- continue _you know , continue protesting, you know, the continue protesting, you know, ms smas— continue protesting, you know, the venue and— continue protesting, you know, the venue and sort of the people i'm the venue and sort of the people i-m iiaisims— the venue and sort of the people i'm liaising with— the venue and sort of the people i'm liaising with have sort of, you— i'm liaising with have sort of, you mow,— i'm liaising with have sort of, you know, been— i'm liaising with have sort of, you know, been saying, well, if the you know, been saying, well, if is assess— you know, been saying, well, if the protest isn't— you know, been saying, well, if the protest isn't going ahead , the protest isn't going ahead, mem— the protest isn't going ahead, mm mm— the protest isn't going ahead, then then, you— the protest isn't going ahead, then then, you know, you can you is— then then, you know, you can you sis-evens.— then then, you know, you can you can do .event.-said,- can do the event. and i said, wsii— can do the event. and i said, wsii ,— can do the event. and i said, was, im— can do the event. and i said, was, i-m mos— can do the event. and i said, well, i'm not going to tell the protesters— well, i'm not going to tell the protesters not— well, i'm not going to tell the protesters not to _ well, i'm not going to tell the protesters not to protest. i miss— protesters not to protest. i believe .free _ protesters not to protest. i believe free speech. and they believe in free speech. and they mass—sigm- believe in free speech. and they mass—mam ss- believe in free speech. and they have _right to justi have as much of a right to just smas— have as much of a right to just sissm ami— have as much of a right to just shout and scream— have as much of a right to just shout and scream much as they have as much of a right to just shoutasid scream much as they have as much of a right to just shoutas ii scream much as they have as much of a right to just shoutas i do ream much as they have as much of a right to just shoutas i do to m much as they have as much of a right to just shoutas i do to sit much as they have as much of a right to just shoutas i do to sit with jch as they have as much of a right to just shoutas i do to sit with steven hey want as i do to sit with steven ami— want as i do to sit with steven and sam— want as i do to sit with steven and talk about— want as i do to sit with steven and talk about the film in front of and talk about the film in front af_iiei,_ and talk about the film in front of_well, let's- of an audience. well, let's bring— of an audience. well, let's sams—smas- of an audience. well, let's bring—shaw in. of an audience. well, let's- bring_shaw in now, who bring steven j. shaw in now, who directed movie. steven thank directed the movie. steven thank you so much joining can you so much forjoining us. can i ask you, were you surprised about response about this response from students world's students at one of the world's most prestigious universities as it's remarkable. i would say just it's remarkable. i would say iass fiss— it's remarkable. i would say just first, though,— it's remarkable. i would say just first, though, i- e i would say just first, though, i don't asaaaiis— just first, though, i don't actually use— just first, though, i don't actually use the term pitfalls of feminism.— actually use the term pitfalls of feminism. other people may mass— of feminism. other people may have-sam,- of feminism. other people may have _term, but- of feminism. other people may have _term, but i- of feminism. other people may have term, but i think have used that term, but i think it's have used that term, but i think its imssmam— have used that term, but i think it's important explain the it's important to explain the seams— it's important to explain the breadth si— it's important to explain the breadth of people who i met assai— breadth of people who i met assmi ms— breadth of people who i met around the world. e �*" j�*izzii: around the world. it was filmed in 24 countries. i met 230

people. those people, i think , people. those people, i think, sssii— people. those people, i think, sssii omis— people. those people, i think, sssii smis iss— those people, i think, could only be defined as highly representative— could only be defined as highly representative of— could only be defined as highly representative of the world we iss— representative of the world we is im— representative of the world we is in maya— representative of the world we live in today, filmed in every ssmimsm— live in today, filmed in every ssmimsm . — live in today, filmed in every continent. it— live in today, filmed in every continent. it and- live in today, filmed in every continent . p“: e “ continent. it and it's been so warmly received by colleges around the world, by film festivals. so to suddenly have a isassism— festivals. so to suddenly have a isassism iss— festivals. so to suddenly have a reaction like this— so to suddenly have a reaction like this really raises questions— reaction like this really raises asssaisms as— reaction like this really raises questions to me— reaction like this really raises questions to me about what it is mas— questions to me about what it is that perhaps— questions to me about what it is that perhaps people feel about this that perhaps people feel about mis movie— that perhaps people feel about this movie that— that perhaps people feel about this movie that might be threatening— this movie that might be threatening to them . '“: : threatening to them. and i'd ima— threatening to them. and i'd isvs ss— threatening to them. and i'd isvs as mass— threatening to them. and i'd love to meet these people. i'd love to meet these people. i'd love to meet these people. i'd love to talk about it if they're wiiiimg. — love to talk about it if they're wiiiimg. ism— love to talk about it if they're willing. but it's— love to talk about it if they're willing. but it's quite sasmima. - willing. but it's quite stunning. ' c�*ileg ' willing. but it's quite— stunning. absolutely. and thank you for correcting me on that, that didn't actually that you didn't actually use that you didn't actually use that pitfalls of that phrase pitfalls of feminism. it a phrase feminism. it is indeed a phrase mas— feminism. it is indeed a phrase mas-uses— feminism. it is indeed a phrase that-used about— feminism. it is indeed a phrase that-used about the- “ it is indeed a phrase that used about the film. that was used about the film. ism— that was used about the film. ism as— that was used about the film. but as charlie— that was used about the film. but as charlie was saying, used by but as charlie was saying, used iss—asssaiisi by people who haven't actually seem—mes- by people who haven't actually seen—they don't. seen the film. so they don't saus— seen the film. so they don't really—it- seen the film. so they don't sass—is is- seen the film. so they don'ti really—it is about. really know what it is about. i ssisis— really know what it is about. i mean, surely part— really know what it is about. i mean, surely part of the reason for mamma— mean, surely part of the reason ion making ms— mean, surely part of the reason for making the film is want for making the film is you want to san— for making the film is you want to startldebate_ for making the film is you want to startldebate or— for making the film is you want to start debate or to to start a debate or to start a iisssssisn— to start a debate or to start a discussion-these- to start a debate or to start a discussion these issues to start a debate or to start a disc to sion these issues to start a debate or to start a disc to disagree these issues to start a debate or to start a disc to disagree potentially. and to disagree potentially. vss. — and to disagree potentially. vss. ans— and to disagree potentially. yes. and sas— and to disagree potentially. yes. and you know,- and to disagree potentially. yes. and you know, the- and to disagree potentially. yes. and you know, the wonderful thing is people do watch thing is when people do watch this free the this document, free the conversation, start by themselves. you don't need to themselves. you don't need me to be themselves. you don't need me to is mens— themselves. you don't need me to is men as— themselves. you don't need me to is men as ais— you don't need me to be there at all. wonderful

conversations— be there at all. wonderful conversations about future. conversations about the future. i conversations about the future. i-faiiins— conversations about the future. i-iaiiins sinn— conversations about the future. i-falling birth rates- conversations about the future. i-falling birth rates is- i mean, falling birth rates is going to become biggest going to become the biggest challenge the very challenge or one of the very biggest challenges of the 21st century. and the people who are going— century. and the people who are going as— century. and the people who are going to.impacted_ century. and the people who are going to i impacted - are l going to be impacted most are kssngsi— going to be impacted most are younger ssssis. — going to be impacted most are younger people. and this is a documentary simply examines documentary that simply examines pathways and pathways through life and encourages conversations . so, encourages conversations. so, yes, it's quite surprising. charlie, can i ask you , even yes, it's quite surprising. - charlie, can i ask you , even if charlie, can i ask you, even if ms— charlie, can i ask you, even if ms nim— charlie, can i ask you, even if ms iiim nas— charlie, can i ask you, even if the film was an— charlie, can i ask you, even if the film was an openly anti—feminist tract , it's still anti—feminist tract, it's still ssnsis— anti—feminist tract, it's still surely ss— anti—feminist tract, it's still surely ss as— anti—feminist tract, it's still surely up to individual students nnsmsn— surely up to individual students nnsmsn mes— surely up to individual students whether they choose to watch the fin — whether they choose to watch the fin sn— whether they choose to watch the fin a non — whether they choose to watch the fin a non on— whether they choose to watch the film or not. of course it is. ans— film or not. of course it is. and mas-s— film or not. of course it is. and that's what's— film or not. of course it is. and that's what's the- film or not. of course it is. and that's what's the ludicrous thing about all of this cancel culture stuff on campuses in particular, is that students have no obligation to see these films. you know, it's not a part of they're not of their course. they're not going if they going to fail if they don't watch film watch the film and give a commentary on it. it's like, so let's talk about logic let's talk about the logic behind then. so the behind that then. so the implication _that. behind that then. so the. implication _that they implication here is that they mink— implication here is that they think-presence- implication here is that they think presence of the think the very presence of the nim— think the very presence of the fin-ms— think the very presence of the film .the presence- think the very presence of the film the presence your film and the presence of your guess— film and the presence of your gsssalsamsss— film and the presence of your guest campus what guest on campus creates what a king— guest on campus creates what a king si— guest on campus creates what a king of skis— guest on campus creates what a kind of toxic environment or or ssisais— kind of toxic environment or or spreads hateful— kind of toxic environment or or spreads hateful ideas . is that spreads hateful ideas. is that snat— spreads hateful ideas. is that nnaa mes-is— spreads hateful ideas. is that what they're getting at? “ what they're getting at? i mean, sasssms— what they're getting at? i mean, sasssms nava— what they're getting at? i mean, students have said things as ludicrous as as the film is a

promotion of eugenics without ever saying why. and this is something that the student newspaper was sort of, you know, they made these accusations and students were never asked to legitimise these these things. but is that it's but it is that it's intellectually unsafe and to some extent they think that they're physically unsafe. i think the phrase t. i think the phrase intellectually snsai— think the phrase intellectually snsai is— think the phrase intellectually unsafe is quite— think the phrase intellectually unsafe is quite chilling in of isms.— unsafe is quite chilling in of iassii. ssa— unsafe is quite chilling in of itself. but stephen j. shaw, can i itself. but stephen j. shaw, can i-aissss— itself. but stephen j. shaw, can i-aissss mam- itself. but stephen j. shaw, can i about that? because i ask you about that? because mess— i ask you about that? because these students— i ask you about that? because these students are accusing you of-pro—eugenics- these students are accusing you of pro—eugenics that of being pro—eugenics. that is an serious accusation of being pro—eugenics. that is an shouldn'tierious accusation of being pro—eugenics. that is an shouldn't be)us accusation of being pro—eugenics. that is an shouldn't be thrownisation that shouldn't be thrown around iignais. — that shouldn't be thrown around iignais. _iisii— that shouldn't be thrown around iignaiy. _wsii kos- that shouldn't be thrown around lightly. well you know, lightly. is it? well you know, i mink— lightly. is it? well you know, i mink ansssn— lightly. is it? well you know, i think anyone who's been even pari— think anyone who's been even san si— think anyone who's been even pan of ms— think anyone who's been even part of the movie— think anyone who's been even part of the movie would quickly isaiiss— part of the movie would quickly isaiiss ani— part of the movie would quickly realise and since— part of the movie would quickly realise and since they don't mini,— realise and since they don't mind, because— realise and since they don't mind, because those who do watch it mind, because those who do watch is and — mind, because those who do watch is and i— mind, because those who do watch it and i believe— mind, because those who do watch it and i believe many will part is on— it and i believe many will part is on youtube_ it and i believe many will part is on youtube right now and i encourage anybody i didn't make this encourage anybody i didn't make snis—sss— encourage anybody i didn't make snis—sss ans- encourage anybody i didn't make this—for any other. this documentary for any other reason for-to- this documentary for any other reason for to understand reason for people to understand nnas-s— reason for people to understand snas-s nasssning— reason for people to understand what's happening planet, what's happening to the planet, i what's happening to the planet, i snink— what's happening to the planet, isnink-niii— what's happening to the planet, i think will discover i think people will discover verifi— i think people will discover verys sens— i think people will discover very, very quickly the emotional ssssiss— very, very quickly the emotional ssssiss smas— very, very quickly the emotional stories that come— very, very quickly the emotional stories that come from stories that come out from people— stories that come out from. sessis—aissss people across the world about snsis— people across the world about snsis iivss— people across the world about their lives-and- people across the world about their lives and those their lives young and those a kiss— their lives young and those a sinks-nai- their lives young and those a little-real stories. little older are real stories aissss— little older are real stories aissss nai— little older are real stories about real people. ' “: little older are real stories about real people. “: : about real people. and the idea it's connected in way to it's connected in any way to eugenics is simply nonsense. i

think we actually might have a trailer for the film. do we have that? trailer for the film. do we have snasi iss-s— trailer for the film. do we have that? let's have— trailer for the film. do we have that? let's have a— trailer for the film. do we have that? let's have a look- trailer for the film. do we have that? let's have a look at- �*" do we have that? let's have a look at this ssming— that? let's have a look at this ssming mom — that? let's have a look at this coming from the— that? let's have a look at this coming from the world of data i— coming from the world of data science. i felt— coming from the world of data science. i felt i— coming from the world of data science. ”site :. :: science. i felt i understood populations are going up and that that's a problem . um, when that that's a problem. um, when i saw what was actually happening, i couldn't sleep. i think the biggest problem in the world will face in 20 years is population collapse. collapse . population collapse. collapse. this four year project took me to 24 countries and over 230 people were kind enough to give me an hour of their lives. how could it be that suddenly countries are having so few children ? i needed to go and children? i needed to go and find out. it's children? i needed to go and find out . it's obviously a very find out. it's obviously a very inssssssing— find out. it's obviously a very interesting topic— �*" “: it's obviously a very interesting topic there. but you kos— interesting topic there. but you were you were bringing the assessor— were you were bringing the sissssss in— were you were bringing the director in as— were you were bringing the director in as well. so that you sssis— director in as well. so that you sssis sssn— director in as well. so that you could open the— director in as well. so that you could open the conversation up. nus— could open the conversation up. as kos— could open the conversation up. as you nas— could open the conversation up. but you had what— could open the conversation up. but you had what i thought was vess— but you had what i thought was very interesting.— but you had what i thought was very interesting. you had an assask— very interesting. you had an assask ism— very interesting. you had an attack from varsity, which is sns— attack from varsity, which is the university— attack from varsity, which is the university but it's the university paper, but it's sisasis—sns- the university paper, but it's clearly—one side,| clearly aligned to one side, ism-s— clearly aligned to one side, isn-slvsan— clearly aligned to one side, isn't-yeah yeah,- clearly aligned to one side, isn't yeah yeah, exactly. isn't it? yeah yeah, exactly.

ans— isn't it? yeah yeah, exactly. ans .— isn't it? yeah yeah, exactly. ans . ins— isn't it? yeah yeah, exactly. and . the troubling- isn't it? yeah yeah, exactly. and . the troubling thing about and. the troubling thing about it is that the, the comments that students made were published as news and not comment , published as news and not comment, which i found very interesting . and i wrote to the interesting. and i wrote to the varsity and said, are you going to publish , you know, students to publish, you know, students who stephen on who are pro stephen being on campus and free speech and they didn't reply . and said, didn't reply. and when i said, okay, well can have a piece okay, well can i have a piece alongside this, this sort of hit piece to explain what the film is actually about rather than what students think it's about? and they wouldn't have that either. and a lot of students nave— either. and a lot of students have - attacking - have been attacking you sssssnaiis— have been attacking you- personally_ defamatory personally and saying defamatory snings— personally and saying defamatory snings “midi/s— personally and saying defamatory things, frankly, yeah, it's a son— things, frankly, yeah, it's a son ss— things, frankly, yeah, it's a sort of helendale gave me this phrases— sort of helendale gave me this phrases iss— sort of helendale gave me this phrase, but she— sort of helendale gave me this phrase, but she said it's ssiisiss. — phrase, but she said it's ssiisiss. ss— phrase, but she said it's politics. has it om; phrase, but she said it's politics. has i op; phrase, but she said it's- politics. by cuties. one of the reasons they sort of said that stephen can't be here is because he was associating with jordan peterson and that the film must be bigoted because i had appeared on gb news and write for the telegraph. aslef what's wrong — for the telegraph. aslef what's wrong wisn— for the telegraph. aslef what's wrong with associating- g aslef what's wrong with associating with jordan — wrong with associating with jordan peterson? �*fw�*“ii wrong with associating with jordan peterson? �*fii“iis 7 jordan peterson? who knows? again, these students never elaborate must be elaborate because it must be self—evident. why ,

self—evident. it's obvious why, surely. yeah, so. but they're never challenged on these things. stephen have you had this kind of reaction in any other quarters or it other quarters or is it specifically coming from students ? i've never had this students? i've never had this mom— students? i've never had this from anone-y — students? i've never had this from anyone. it's— students? i've never had this from anyone. it's not- :7 i've never had this from anyone. e from anyone. it's not students. i mean, i did a screening here to international students in tokyo where i'm actually based. i've done screenings across the world, new york, chelsea film festival twice, and if you look online, there's over 15 000 comments from people who have either watched part of the documentary or heard me on the podcast, like jordan peterson , podcast, like jordan peterson, and there's nothing like this. so where this has come from, to me is an incredible mystery. and again, i just appeal to students to come and watch talk to me . to come and watch talk to me. i'm really interested to see where this can be coming from . where this can be coming from. um, i made this documentary for it's dedicated to young people everywhere there. and that's a passion for me. so i really encourage anyone at cambridge, whether they have heard good things or bad things, please come along. please talk to me .

come along. please talk to me. charlie, is it going to go charlie, isit going to go ahead charlie, is it going to go ahead 7 wais— charlie, is it going to go ahead 7 well, that's— charlie, is it going to go ahead 7 well, that's the— charlie, is it going to go ahead .7 well, that's the big- charlie, is it going to go ahead ? well, that's the big question. that's the big question mark over over that at the moment, i'm having difficulty with the venue. i'm having difficulty with the venue . they want me to ensure venue. they want me to ensure that a sort of 90 person protest that's currently being mounted . that's currently being mounted. and they want me to ensure that that will have minimal effect on on, on on the on the venue . and on, on on the on the venue. and this protest is going to be on a pubuc this protest is going to be on a public street while even the police have limited jurisdiction over a protest on a public street. so they've set these impossible stands by which i need to meet for this to go ahead. this is a common fudge, snosgn— ahead. this is a common fudge, snosgn, wnen— ahead. this is a common fudge, though, where they— : this is a common fudge, though, where they will say the semis— though, where they will say the sssssiss is— though, where they will say the security is the— though, where they will say the security is the issue. yeah, but asssaiiw— security is the issue. yeah, but actually, university. actually, it's a university. iss— actually, it's a university. is-s-wnsss- actually, it's a university. . it's _where - are it's a place where ideas are moans— it's a place where ideas are. moans—isms it's a place where ideas are- meant_isn't it? meant to be exchanged, isn't it? so-snosis— meant to be exchanged, isn't it? so-should.their- meant to be exchanged, isn't it? so should their priority so this should be their priority . wow— so this should be their priority . was, snas-s— so this should be their priority . well, that's what i would have snosgns.— . well, that's what i would have snosgns. san— . well, that's what i would have thought. can you— . well, that's what i would have thought. can you tell me, mains,— thought. can you tell me, charlie, that— thought. can you tell me, charlie, that we haven't got mssn— charlie, that we haven't got mssn simm— charlie, that we haven't got much time? but— charlie, that we haven't got much time? but just finally, do you— much time? but just finally, do you snink— much time? but just finally, do you think there— much time? but just finally, do you think there la _ much time? but just finally, do you think there a general you think there is a general ssoisism — you think there is a general ssoisism _wo- you think there is a general problem the younger problem now with the younger soosiasiom— problem now with the younger soosiasiom-a- problem now with the younger population? a number population? i've done a number of population? i've done a number os-sniwsssiss. - population? i've done a number of- university. iwas - population? i've done a number of university. was at of talks at university. i was at smoki— of talks at university. i was at oxford _wo- of talks at university. i was at oxford day, actually oxford the other day, actually at oxford the other day, actually as—ins- oxford the other day, actually| at_the students at oriel college. the students

gssas. — at oriel college. the students gssas. i— at oriel college. the students were great. i thought the sssssnss— were great. i thought the students were— were great. i thought the students were really up for assass— students were really up for debate, discussion. am debate, up for discussion. am i isss— debate, up for discussion. am i isss gossing— debate, up for discussion. am i just getting incorrect just getting an incorrect possessions— perception? are there a lot of miiisans, — perception? are there a lot of. militant, _ students militant, authoritarian students wno— militant, authoritarian students wno-assn-s— militant, authoritarian students who aren't interested militant, authoritarian students wihearing aren't interested militant, authoritarian students wihearing alternative :erested in hearing alternative views? so in hearing alternative views? so i— in hearing alternative views? so i mink— in hearing alternative views? so i think 75%— in hearing alternative views? so i think 75% of— in hearing alternative views? so i think 75% of the- in hearing alternative views? so i think 75% of the student population are bright, engaged , population are bright, engaged, but maybe hesitant because, you know, free speech is a big topic at the moment. and the students are being intimidated out of attending things. and so it's a very small constituency who are very small constituency who are very vocal and are sort of manufacturing consent. you know, they'll say, we don't want these people on our campus. well, who's we? yes. you know, a group of of you who , you of five of you who who, you know, run the student body and they're speaking behalf they're speaking on behalf of all their peers. they're speaking— all their peers. they're speaking i behalf. l all their peers. they're. speaking i behalf. but all their peers. they're- speaking. behalf. but the speaking on behalf. but the ming— speaking on behalf. but the wing-smas— speaking on behalf. but the thing that they they're thing is, is that they they're almost nominated by no one. no one student one turns up to student elections. it's of elections. so it's sort of a little mini racket of its own. you they they all they you know, they they all they all nominate and then nominate each other and then vote for each other and then become student body because become the student body because everyone else is having fun, you know. but that's a good know. but that's that's a good asgsmsns— know. but that's that's a good asgsmsns soi— know. but that's that's a good argument for more— argument for more sort of iiisssai— argument for more sort of liberal get liberal minded students to get

invokes— liberal minded students to get involved _ politics,| involved with student politics, to involved with student politics, so kisk— involved with student politics, so kisk kisk— involved with student politics, to kick kick the— involved with student politics, to kick kick the authoritarians out to kick kick the authoritarians oss-wnsa.— to kick kick the authoritarians out-whoa, whoa.- to kick kick the authoritarians| out-whoa, whoa. we'll out right. whoa, whoa. we'll see. okay. final word see. okay. well just final word now stephen. what next now to you, stephen. what next for the movie?— now to you, stephen. what next for the movie?-said- now to you, stephen. what next for the movie? - said that - for the movie? you said that pari— for the movie? you said that sam-aissass- for the movie? you said that part already available. part one is already available. isomo— part one is already available. people is people can watch that online. is smas— people can watch that online. is mas-i — people can watch that online. is mas-i inas— people can watch that online. is that-? that is— people can watch that online. is that-? that is right.- people can watch that online. is that ? g“ that right? that is right. the part one explains the reality of what's happening. birth up. the erg is a website you can come to as to review the other as well to review the other parts of the documentary. it will released generally will be released more generally later full three later this year. the full three parts. , yeah, i just parts. so, um, yeah, i just think important that think it's so important that people having this people are having this conversation. fantastic. stephen j. conversation. fantastic. stephen s-snasiis— conversation. fantastic. stephen j.-charlie bentley- j. shaw and charlie bentley assos— j. shaw and charlie bentley astor, thanks— j. shaw and charlie bentley astor, thanks so— j. shaw and charlie bentley astor, thanks so much for ioining— astor, thanks so much for ioining — astor, thanks so much for joining us. and- astor, thanks so much for joining us. and up next on free sssssn— joining us. and up next on free sssssn wasion— joining us. and up next on free speech nation, after the stand, consis— speech nation, after the stand, somsss siss— speech nation, after the stand, comedy club cancelled a booking wisn— comedy club cancelled a booking wisn swi— comedy club cancelled a booking with snp politician— comedy club cancelled a booking with snp politician joanna snows.— with snp politician joanna cherry- wens— with snp politician joanna cherry. we're going to be speaking— cherry. we're going to be speaking with— cherry. we're going to be speaking with poet jenny iinssaw— speaking with poet jenny lindsay, who _ speaking with poet jenny lindsay, who is also being sasgssss— lindsay, who is also being sasgssss iss— lindsay, who is also being targeted by activists for her gender— targeted by activists for her gender critical— targeted by activists for her gender critical views . stay gender critical views. stay ssnss— gender critical views. stay ssnss .—

to work out how britain moves forward— to work out how britain moves forward from — to work out how britain moves forward from this— to work out how britain moves

forward from this .— forward from this. welcome- forward from this. welcome back to free forward from this.— welcome back to free speech wasion. — welcome back to free speech nation. with— welcome back to free speech nation. with me,— welcome back to free speech nation. ' “: welcome back to free speech nation. : i nation. with me, andrew doyle. the snp's joanna cherry claims she has been cancelled from appearing at the edinburgh festival fringe for being a lesbian who holds gender critical views. the mp was due to appear at the stand comedy club in august, but the club says some key staff are unwilling going to work at the event. so with me to discuss this, i'm joined by dennis kavanagh, director of the gay men's network and the poet jenny lindsey. welcome both . i'm going lindsey. welcome both. i'm going to come to you first, jenny, if you don't mind .jenny, can i ask you don't mind. jenny, can i ask you, you're a poet . you're based you, you're a poet. you're based in scotland. you've experienced some kind of similar things to what joanna cherry has experienced recently. perhaps you could tell us bit about you could tell us a bit about that? oh, you could tell us a bit about that ? oh, god, it's really, that? oh, god, it's really, naus— that? oh, god, it's really, really difficult— that? oh, god, it's really, really difficult to - “p7 oh, god, it's really, really difficult to sum up what nasssnss— really difficult to sum up what nasssnss so— really difficult to sum up what nasssnss so ms— really difficult to sum up what happened to me .— really difficult to sum up what happened to me . it started in happened to me. it started in zom— happened to me. it started in sons wnen— happened to me. it started in sons wnsn i— happened to me. it started in 2019 when i called out the wioisnss— 2019 when i called out the violence of—

2019 when i called out the violence of gender identity assiwism — violence of gender identity assiwism .— violence of gender identity activism . um,— violence of gender identity activism . um, and specifically activism. um, and specifically the publication _ activism. um, and specifically the publication of a justification for beating up issisians— justification for beating up lesbians at— justification for beating up lesbians at pride . and when lesbians at pride. and when i sis— lesbians at pride. and when i dig smas— lesbians at pride. and when i dig snas ,— lesbians at pride. and when i dig snas , ms— lesbians at pride. and when i did that , my entire life just did that, my entire life just snangss— did that, my entire life just changed overnight. and, um , it changed overnight. and, um, it was:— changed overnight. and, um, it is— changed overnight. and, um, it was, it followed— changed overnight. and, um, it was, it followed the usual sasssm. — was, it followed the usual pattern. once _ was, it followed the usual pattern. once you receive the iaissi— pattern. once you receive the iaissi ism— pattern. once you receive the iaissi ism ,— pattern. once you receive the label terf , then— pattern. once you receive the label terf , then it just spirals label terf, then it just spirals oss— label terf, then it just spirals oss os— label terf, then it just spirals out of control— label terf, then it just spirals out of control .— label terf, then it just spirals out of control . and in 2020, it out of control. and in 2020, it all out of control. and in 2020, it as wens— out of control. and in 2020, it as wsns wow— out of control. and in 2020, it as wsns wow ,— out of control. and in 2020, it all went very , very public when all went very, very public when os— all went very, very public when oi mys— all went very, very public when oi my, sm— all went very, very public when some of my, um, opponents tried to some of my, um, opponents tried so gos— some of my, um, opponents tried so gss ms— some of my, um, opponents tried so gss ms insi— some of my, um, opponents tried to get me fired from a conference— to get me fired from a conference at- to get me fired from a conference at the university of sssasnsisss— conference at the university of strathclyde clyde, which then to led strathclyde clyde, which then to sea ms— strathclyde clyde, which then to led me obviously— strathclyde clyde, which then to led me obviously opposing that , led me obviously opposing that, wnisn— led me obviously opposing that, wnisn snsn— led me obviously opposing that, which then led— led me obviously opposing that, which then led to— led me obviously opposing that, which then led to the scottish nooks— which then led to the scottish nossw iiiwaw— which then led to the scottish poetry library getting involved and issuing— poetry library getting involved and isssing a— poetry library getting involved and issuing a very strong ssassmsns— and issuing a very strong statement opposing the to no siasiosming— statement opposing the to no platforming calls by poets againss— platforming calls by poets against other— platforming calls by poets against other poets . and that against other poets. and that led against other poets. and that so so— against other poets. and that so so aki— against other poets. and that led to all mighty hell and the sssai— led to all mighty hell and the sssai ossn— led to all mighty hell and the usual open letters and all of

snai— usual open letters and all of snas kins— usual open letters and all of snas kins oi— usual open letters and all of that kind of thing. and this was all that kind of thing. and this was as a— that kind of thing. and this was as a sis— that kind of thing. and this was all a bit insane.— that kind of thing. and this was all a bit insane. and then iosksown— all a bit insane. and then lockdown happened and during iosksown— lockdown happened and during iosksown i— lockdown happened and during lockdown, i had— lockdown happened and during lockdown, i had been commissioned write about lockdown, i had been— commissioned .write about my commissioned to write about my ssssisnsss— commissioned to write about my ssssisnsss ion— commissioned to write about my experiences for the— commissioned to write about my experiences for the dark horse iisssaw— experiences for the dark horse iisssaw iosmai— experiences for the dark horse literary journal ,— experiences for the dark horse literary journal , and i wrote an literary journal, and i wrote an sssnsiws— literary journal, and i wrote an extensive 8000 _ literary journal, and i wrote an extensive 8000 word essay about ssassis— extensive 8000 word essay about ssassis wnas— extensive 8000 word essay about exactly what had _ extensive 8000 word essay about exactly what had happened isssasss— exactly what had happened because unlike— exactly what had happened because unlike some other women smas— because unlike some other women snas snis— because unlike some other women that this happens— because unlike some other women that this happens to— because unlike some other women that this happens to , i am not that this happens to, i am not a ssisiis— that this happens to, i am not a ssisiis iigsss— that this happens to, i am not a ssisiis iigsss. i— that this happens to, i am not a public figure. i am— that this happens to, i am not a public figure. i am not a household— public figure. i am not a household name. and it is it is somssning— household name. and it is it is something that— household name. and it is it is something that has completely snangss— something that has completely snangss ms— something that has completely changed my entire life. and has moans— changed my entire life. and has moans snai— changed my entire life. and has moans snas i— changed my entire life. and has meant that i need— changed my entire life. and has meant that i need to do things iiks— meant that i need to do things iiks snis— meant that i need to do things iiks snis so— meant that i need to do things like this to speak— meant that i need to do things like this to speak publicly aisoss— like this to speak publicly about what's— like this to speak publicly about what's happened . and yeah about what's happened. and yeah , sons. — about what's happened. and yeah , sons. on— about what's happened. and yeah , sons. on was— about what's happened. and yeah , sons. on you go.— about what's happened. and yeah , sorry. 0“ git pii; , sorry. on you go, people are going to be very, very surprised to hear the idea that there are activists out there who think they attack, physically activists out there who think they lesbiattack, physically activists out there who think they lesbia at ck, physically activists out there who think they lesbia at a., physically activists out there who think they lesbia at a pride sically activists out there who think they lesbia at a pride event. attack lesbia at a pride event. they'll think that's insane. we've seen more and more women being attacked at, for instance, at kelly j. keane's. let women speak events. physical attacks we're talking about here, not just peaceful protests . um, and just peaceful protests. um, and now with joanna cherry . now this with joanna cherry. joanna cherry, a lesbian who

campaigned 28. campaigned against section 28. how is it that people like joanna cherry are now being how is it that people like joanna lasirry are now being how is it that people like joanna ias the are now being how is it that people like joanna ias the badiow being how is it that people like joanna ias the bad guysaing how is it that people like joanna ias the bad guysain all painted as the bad guys in all this? well, think it's always this? well, i think it's always wonn— this? well, i think it's always wonn going— this? well, i think it's always worth going back— 57 well, i think it's always worth going back to basics with this worth going back to basics with snis ans— worth going back to basics with this and remembering what it is snai— this and remembering what it is that so—called_ this and remembering what it is that so—called gender critical isminisss— that so—called gender critical feminists actually believe and all feminists actually believe and ass-ssiisws— feminists actually believe and all-believe is- feminists actually believe and all believe is that sex all that we believe is that sex is masssiaiis— all that we believe is that sex is materially definable , all is materially definable, all smas— is materially definable, all ma is— is materially definable, all ma is is— is materially definable, all that it is legislatively imsonanst— that it is legislatively important, and also that we must nave— important, and also that we must make ssisiis— important, and also that we must have public debate— important, and also that we must have public debate and robust assass— have public debate and robust debate about— have public debate and robust debate about legislation that goss— debate about legislation that goes aiisss— debate about legislation that does affect more— debate about legislation that does affect more than one group non.— does affect more than one group non. ans— does affect more than one group non. ans snai— does affect more than one group here. and that is— does affect more than one group here. and that is honestly what is as— here. and that is honestly what is as sns— here. and that is honestly what is as me noos— here. and that is honestly what is at the root of— here. and that is honestly what is at the root of this issue and wnas— is at the root of this issue and wnas sns— is at the root of this issue and what the stand— is at the root of this issue and what the stand has done in sanssiiing— what the stand has done in cancelling. joanna cherry is snow— cancelling. joanna cherry is snow nave— cancelling. joanna cherry is they have not— cancelling. joanna cherry is they have not just cancelled . they have not just cancelled. soanna— they have not just cancelled. soanna cherry— they have not just cancelled. joanna cherry they have put they nave— joanna cherry they have put they have continued— joanna cherry they have put they have continued this ridiculous sissoss— have continued this ridiculous discourse that— have continued this ridiculous discourse that those gender snsisait— discourse that those gender critical, principled views are somnow— critical, principled views are somehow so hateful that people wosis— somehow so hateful that people wosis iss— somehow so hateful that people would be made— somehow so hateful that people would be made unsafe . and i'm would be made unsafe. and i'm aisais— would be made unsafe. and i'm aisais smas— would be made unsafe. and i'm afraid that they've— would be made unsafe. and i'm afraid that they've also really sons— afraid that they've also really done a— afraid that they've also really done a disservice— afraid that they've also really done a disservice to fellow somsians— done a disservice to fellow comedians and— done a disservice to fellow comedians and comedians who

isookss— comedians and comedians who isookss snsis— comedians and comedians who booked their venue for upcoming sows— booked their venue for upcoming sosss ans— booked their venue for upcoming ions and wno— booked their venue for upcoming tours and who now— booked their venue for upcoming tours and who now actually, i've a sossis— tours and who now actually, i've seen a couple of— tours and who now actually, i've seen a couple of comedian isisnss— seen a couple of comedian isisnss as— seen a couple of comedian friends are having, you know, snsis— friends are having, you know, snsis insis— friends are having, you know, their their fans— friends are having, you know, their their fans say, look, i'm naus— their their fans say, look, i'm really sows— their their fans say, look, i'm really sorry, but— their their fans say, look, i'm really sorry, but i— their their fans say, look, i'm really sorry, but i simply sannos— really sorry, but i simply cannot come— really sorry, but i simply cannot come and see you perform in snai— cannot come and see you perform in ma senso— cannot come and see you perform in ma .— cannot come and see you perform in ma . i— cannot come and see you perform in that venue . i will— cannot come and see you perform in that venue . i will not in that venue. i will not sssson— in that venue. i will not sssson a— in that venue. i will not support a venue that no platform awoman wisn— support a venue that no platform a woman with perfectly reasonable— a woman with perfectly reasonable beliefs and they put asasgss— reasonable beliefs and they put asasgss on— reasonable beliefs and they put a sasgss on aki— reasonable beliefs and they put a target on all women's heads. moss— a target on all women's heads. these venues,— a target on all women's heads. these venues, when they do this ans— these venues, when they do this and wean— these venues, when they do this and ssan i— these venues, when they do this and yeah, i think— these venues, when they do this and yeah, i think that's an ssssiisns— and yeah, i think that's an excellent point. - and yeah, i think that's an excellent point. ' “: “jit“t“ excellent point. and dennis, i want to bring you in on that point because this is this is what happens, isn't it, that people with perfectly legitimate commonplace views are labelled as transphobic and as hateful and transphobic and that legitimises violence against them? yeah, what they're going— against them? yeah, what they're going is— against them? yeah, what they're going is snow-ss— against them? yeah, what they're doing is they're putting- doing is they're putting a sages— doing is they're putting a sages-sns— doing is they're putting a- target.the - perfectly target on the back of perfectly ssssns— target on the back of perfectly ssssns ssosis— target on the back of perfectly decent people have decent people who have unremarkable- decent people who have unremarkable all views. joanna snows— unremarkable all views. joanna snows nas— unremarkable all views. joanna cherry has extremely moderate sis-s— cherry has extremely moderate views. she's in— cherry has extremely moderate views. t“ i views. she's in favour of equality for everyone under the equality act. she supports the session— equality act. she supports the section seven _ equality act. she supports the section seven gender- section seven gender reassignment characteristic. sns— reassignment characteristic. snag-sss— reassignment characteristic. she just happens— reassignment characteristic. she just happens to- reassignment characteristic. she just happens to have a legally protected view under the law under for stated that sex is

real, it's important and it's immutable . and as jk rowling immutable. and as jk rowling said,— immutable. and as jk rowling saist snis— immutable. and as jk rowling saist snis is— immutable. and as jk rowling said, this is the— immutable. and as jk rowling said, this is the link- and as jk rowling said, this is the link with the isminism— said, this is the link with the feminism point.— said, this is the link with the feminism point. without sex, snows-s— feminism point. without sex, snows-s no— feminism point. without sex, there's no same— feminism point. without sex, there's no same sex attraction. isignsi— there's no same sex attraction. isignsi so— there's no same sex attraction. isignsi so i— there's no same sex attraction. right? so if joanna cherry wants to right? so if joanna cherry wants so make— right? so if joanna cherry wants so make an— right? so if joanna cherry wants to make an argument on the basis of to make an argument on the basis oi issisian— to make an argument on the basis of lesbian rights— to make an argument on the basis of lesbian rights and lesbian moaning— of lesbian rights and lesbian meaning same— of lesbian rights and lesbian meaning same sex, then that ssiinision— meaning same sex, then that definition of— meaning same sex, then that definition of sex— meaning same sex, then that definition of sex is important. ans— definition of sex is important. ana is— definition of sex is important. ana is is— definition of sex is important. and it is irresponsible in the sssms— and it is irresponsible in the sssms ion— and it is irresponsible in the extreme for outfits like this to miss— extreme for outfits like this to miss somins— extreme for outfits like this to hide behind their staff and issnaws— hide behind their staff and issnaws as— hide behind their staff and behave as if— hide behind their staff and behave as if she's in any way nassisi. — behave as if she's in any way hateful. this— behave as if she's in any way hateful. this is— behave as if she's in any way hateful. this is senior king's counsel, and— hateful. this is senior king's counsel, and this— hateful. this is senior king's counsel, and this is the chair of counsel, and this is the chair oi sns— counsel, and this is the chair of the parliamentary equalities commissss. — of the parliamentary equalities committee. this— of the parliamentary equalities committee. this woman fought session— committee. this woman fought ssssion 28.— committee. this woman fought section 28. she's— committee. this woman fought section 28. she's a gay rights isgsns. — section 28. she's a gay rights isgsns. ans— section 28. she's a gay rights legend. and for— section 28. she's a gay rights legend. and for them to smear her legend. and for them to smear new in— legend. and for them to smear new in snis— legend. and for them to smear her in this fashion— legend. and for them to smear her in this fashion and to smear nomossasi— her in this fashion and to smear homosexuals in— her in this fashion and to smear homosexuals in public life, like kasnissn— homosexuals in public life, like kathleen stock,— homosexuals in public life, like kathleen stock, like julie sinssi— kathleen stock, like julie sinssi ,— kathleen stock, like julie bindel , like— kathleen stock, like julie bindel , like alison bailey, like bindel, like alison bailey, like simon— bindel, like alison bailey, like simon fanshawe,_ bindel, like alison bailey, like simon fanshawe, one of the iosnssss— simon fanshawe, one of the iosnssss oi— simon fanshawe, one of the founders of stonewall harris speaking— founders of stonewall harris speaking as— founders of stonewall harris speaking at gonville and caius at speaking at gonville and caius as miss— speaking at gonville and caius as miss on— speaking at gonville and caius at pride on friday— speaking at gonville and caius at pride on friday this week for nomossasi— at pride on friday this week for homosexuals in— at pride on friday this week for homosexuals in public life to iass— homosexuals in public life to iass snis— homosexuals in public life to face this and— homosexuals in public life to face this and women more gsnssaiiw— face this and women more gsnssaiiw ion— face this and women more generally, for us to watch what

we nave— generally, for us to watch what we make so — generally, for us to watch what we make so sas— generally, for us to watch what we make so sas .— generally, for us to watch what we have to say . joanna cherry we have to say. joanna cherry somsasss— we have to say. joanna cherry somsasss is— we have to say. joanna cherry compared it to— we have to say. joanna cherry compared it to a— we have to say. joanna cherry compared it to a new mccarthyism. to me, it feels iiks— mccarthyism. to me, it feels iiks a— mccarthyism. to me, it feels iiks a nw— mccarthyism. to me, it feels like a new section 28. it feels iiks— like a new section 28. it feels iiks a— like a new section 28. it feels iiks a nw— like a new section 28. it feels like a new closet. so let me ask you about the legal issues on this. is the stand behaving lawfully by deplatforming? joanna cherry well, if i can quote dr. michael foreign writing about this, his view was that it will almost certainly had behaved unlawfully pursuant to section 29 of the equalities act. you can directly discriminate- mcii you can directly discriminate against a protected characteristic. _ discriminate against a protected characteristic. the— discriminate against a protected characteristic. the argument has,— characteristic. the argument nssst ans— characteristic. the argument nose, and is— characteristic. the argument here, and it seems to be made oss— here, and it seems to be made oss on— here, and it seems to be made oss on sns— here, and it seems to be made out on the fact— here, and it seems to be made out on the fact is— here, and it seems to be made out on the fact is they have said— out on the fact is they have said we— out on the fact is they have said we don't— out on the fact is they have said we don't like what you snink— said we don't like what you snink vou— said we don't like what you think you can— said we don't like what you think you can therefore not sssiosm— think you can therefore not perform here.— think you can therefore not perform here. now i can tell you in-isn— perform here. now i can tell you in-isn iossign— perform here. now i can tell you in-dr. foreign and- perform here. now i can tell you in dr. foreign and many in law, as dr. foreign and many osmos— in law, as dr. foreign and many other academics— in law, as dr. foreign and many other academics have said, that is no— other academics have said, that is no different— other academics have said, that is no different to— other academics have said, that is no different to saying our ssaii— is no different to saying our staff—peoplesl staff don't like gay people, son-s— staff don't like gay people, son-s iiks— staff don't like gay people, don't like black— staff don't like gay people, don't like black people, don't iiks— don't like black people, don't sin-ssoss.- don't like black people, don't like-people. and- don't like black people, don't like people. and the fact like muslim people. and the fact snai— like muslim people. and the fact snas iss— like muslim people. and the fact that it's happened— like muslim people. and the fact that it's happened is one thing for that it's happened is one thing ion-so— that it's happened is one thing ion-sona— that it's happened is one thing for-to-a statement. that it's happened is one thing for to a statement out for them to put a statement out ans— for them to put a statement out ans-aisoss— for them to put a statement out ans-asoss is.— for them to put a statement out and-about it. in- for them to put a statement out and-about it. in my- for them to put a statement out and about it. in my view, and crow about it. in my view, is gsiss— and crow about it. in my view, is quite disgraceful . ”can and crow about it. in my view, is quite disgraceful . ui’f�*y iip“ is quite disgraceful. jenny, can i is quite disgraceful. jenny, can i somo— is quite disgraceful. jenny, can i sack— is quite disgraceful. jenny, can i come back to you on this? i mean, surely part of the point of these kinds no platforming

of these kinds of no platforming of these kinds of no platforming of like joanna cherry of people like joanna cherry and indeed is that part of indeed yourself is that part of the point is to intimidate others into silence, to sort of send a message and say your views aren't acceptable and you better shut and does better shut up. and that does work, lot better shut up. and that does wc people lot better shut up. and that does wc people , lot better shut up. and that does wc people , they lot better shut up. and that does wc people , they just lot better shut up. and that does wc people , they just well: of people, they just stay well out it . yes, of people, they just stay well out it. yes, absolutely of people, they just stay well out it . yes, absolutely . it out of it. yes, absolutely. it naus— out of it. yes, absolutely. it really goes. — out of it. yes, absolutely. it really does. and— out of it. yes, absolutely. it really does. and on- c yes, absolutely. it really does. and on one level, i do understand— really does. and on one level, i do understand why— really does. and on one level, i do understand why some people isss— do understand why some people issi soo— do understand why some people feel too frightened to speak oss— feel too frightened to speak oss. i— feel too frightened to speak oss. i mean— feel too frightened to speak out. i mean, i'm— feel too frightened to speak out. i mean, i'm hardly a issiiiians— out. i mean, i'm hardly a brilliant advert- out. i mean, i'm hardly a brilliant advert for it. it is naus— brilliant advert for it. it is really, really— brilliant advert for it. it is really, really affected my income and _ really, really affected my income and my ability to make a swing— income and my ability to make a iiwing .— income and my ability to make a iiwing . ans— income and my ability to make a iiwing . sins sns— income and my ability to make a living . and the thing is, the living. and the thing is, the sning— living. and the thing is, the one thing that— living. and the thing is, the one thing that remains to me as awsisss— one thing that remains to me as a waisss ans— one thing that remains to me as a waisss and a— one thing that remains to me as a writer and a performer is siasiosming— a writer and a performer is platforming myself . and if platforming myself. and if venues are unwilling to even aiiow— venues are unwilling to even aiiow ms— venues are unwilling to even aiiow no so— venues are unwilling to even allow me to hire— venues are unwilling to even allow me to hire a space to do a spoken— allow me to hire a space to do a spoken wors— allow me to hire a space to do a spoken word show,— allow me to hire a space to do a spoken word show, then you know , it spoken word show, then you know , is naus— spoken word show, then you know , is ssaiis is— spoken word show, then you know , it really is time's— spoken word show, then you know , it really is time's up on this kins— , it really is time's up on this kind oi— , it really is time's up on this kind oi ming— , it really is time's up on this kind of thing. and— , it really is time's up on this kind of thing. and we have to nois— kind of thing. and we have to nois sns— kind of thing. and we have to hold the line— kind of thing. and we have to hold the line on— kind of thing. and we have to hold the line on this and have seen— hold the line on this and have isssn working— hold the line on this and have been working desperately for the last been working desperately for the iass ioss— been working desperately for the last four years— been working desperately for the last four years to _ been working desperately for the last four years to try and get oi— last four years to try and get some of scotland's leading iignss— some of scotland's leading iignss ans— some of scotland's leading lights and literary organisations to hold the line. i organisations to hold the line. i mean—

organisations to hold the line. i ,— organisations to hold the line. i mean , we're talking about i mean, we're talking about issing— i mean, we're talking about women being threats and facing sonsw— women being threats and facing economic penury for being isminisis— economic penury for being feminists. i— economic penury for being feminists. i mean, let's let's nos— feminists. i mean, let's let's nos sssai— feminists. i mean, let's let's not beat around— feminists. i mean, let's let's not beat around the bush here. ans— not beat around the bush here. and wnas— not beat around the bush here. and wnas iss— not beat around the bush here. and what i've had— not beat around the bush here. and what i've had the last few sass— and what i've had the last few days isom — and what i've had the last few days from this— and what i've had the last few days from this cabaret against mass— days from this cabaret against nass ssossn— days from this cabaret against nass ssossn guys— days from this cabaret against hate speech guy, i feel absolutely— hate speech guy, i feel absolutely no different emotionally- absolutely no different emotionally from when in 2014, i had emotionally from when in 2014, i ma a— emotionally from when in 2014, i ma a ssaikss— emotionally from when in 2014, i had a stalker dumas, and police sois— had a stalker dumas, and police sois ms— had a stalker dumas, and police sois no nos— had a stalker dumas, and police sois no nos so— had a stalker dumas, and police told me not to advertise where i going— told me not to advertise where i going so— told me not to advertise where i going so is— told me not to advertise where i was going to be performing isssasss— was going to be performing because somebody might come aiong— because somebody might come aiong ans— because somebody might come along and harm— because somebody might come along and harm me . and that is along and harm me. and that is ssassis— along and harm me. and that is ssassis sns— along and harm me. and that is exactly the position that these assiwisss— exactly the position that these activists are _ exactly the position that these activists are putting me in sodas.— activists are putting me in sosaw. ans— activists are putting me in sosaw. ana is— activists are putting me in today. and it is- activists are putting me in today. and it is disgraceful. ' today. and it is disgraceful. a lot today. and it is disgraceful. a in si— today. and it is disgraceful. a ios oi wows— today. and it is disgraceful. a lot of we've got— today. and it is disgraceful. a lot of we've got two - today. and it is disgraceful. ' lot of we've got two strands here, haven't we, dennis ? here, haven't we, dennis? there's the feminist aspect and the way which women are being the way in which women are being mistreated this and mistreated in all of this and then as well. it then gay people as well. and it does we're stepping does feel like we're stepping back decades , doesn't back in time by decades, doesn't it? run the gay it? you run the gay men's network. it does feel like this is a homophobia, right? network. it does feel like this is a as homophobia, right? network. it does feel like this is a as iomophobia, right? network. it does feel like this is a as i said, hobia, right? network. it does feel like this is a as i said, itsbia, right? network. it does feel like this is a as i said, it feelsight? network. it does feel like this is a as i said, it feels like? yeah. as i said, it feels like a now-is— yeah. as i said, it feels like a new-it feels- yeah. as i said, it feels like a new-it feels like- yeah. as i said, it feels like a new-it feels like a. yeah. as i said, it feels like a new it feels like a new new closet. it feels like a new session— new closet. it feels like a new ssssion 28.— new closet. it feels like a new section 28. and— new closet. it feels like a new section 28. and you'd think from wnas— section 28. and you'd think from wnas-snai— section 28. and you'd think from what-that joanna- section 28. and you'd think from what that joanna cherry what happened that joanna cherry was-give— what happened that joanna cherry was-give somo- was going to give some inflammatory- was going to give some inflammatory speech at this soo-ms — inflammatory speech at this soo-ms san— inflammatory speech at this event. can make this event. can i just make this soinsi— event. can i just make this somis-was—

event. can i just make this point? was there. she was point? she was there. she was ssssosss— point? she was there. she was ssssosss so— point? she was there. she was ssssosss so is— point? she was there. she was supposed to be there just to sisssss— supposed to be there just to sisssss nos— supposed to be there just to discuss her life— supposed to be there just to discuss her life and politics. isss— discuss her life and politics. just-discuss— discuss her life and politics. just discuss independence just to discuss the independence samsaign— just to discuss the independence samsaign ,— just to discuss the independence samsaign , wnas— just to discuss the independence campaign , what it's like being campaign, what it's like being an iii— campaign, what it's like being an iii .— campaign, what it's like being an iii . so— campaign, what it's like being an iii . so iss— campaign, what it's like being an mp . so it's not as if an mp. so it's not as if contentious— an mp. so it's not as if contentious speech is being siisnsss. — contentious speech is being silenced. what's happening here is-nss— silenced. what's happening here is-nss smins— silenced. what's happening here is her entire position in is that her entire position in ssisiis— is that her entire position in public discourse— is that her entire position in public discourse and her ability just public discourse and her ability isss so— public discourse and her ability isss so sois— public discourse and her ability isss so ssii ss— public discourse and her ability just to tell us a— public discourse and her ability just to tell us a little bit aisoss— just to tell us a little bit aisoss nos— just to tell us a little bit about her life,- just to tell us a little bit about her life, heaven forbid gav— about her life, heaven forbid gay pimple— about her life, heaven forbid gay people might have role moisis— gay people might have role mosas—go- gay people might have role- models._go-listen models. they could go and listen to models. they could go and listen so saik— models. they could go and listen so saik-snsis— models. they could go and listen to talk-their life— models. they could go and listen to talk-their life in- to talk about their life in soiisiss. — to talk about their life in politics. that's- to talk about their life in politics. that's what that's wnas— politics. that's what that's wnas snas-s— politics. that's what that's what that's the _ politics. that's what that's what that's the right that we're iosing. — what that's the right that we're iosing. woke— what that's the right that we're losing. we're losing the right to- _ losing. we're losing the right so- wis— losing. we're losing the right to- why-didn't. losing. we're losing the righti to- why-didn't the to hear. why why didn't the venue just say to the staff, okay, you don't like it so you don't work that night? don't have to work that night? we'll worry we'll sort that out. don't worry about why or why are they about it. why or why are they capitulatingthe bar? it's such a working at the bar? it's such a good question, isn't it? and i mean, we work on the- mean, we work on the basis that the mean, we work on the basis that ins—sosssss— mean, we work on the basis that ins—sonsss .- mean, we work on the basis that the—correct . and- mean, we work on the basis that the—correct . and it. the statement's correct. and it wasn-s— the statement's correct. and it wasn-s-is— the statement's correct. and it wasn't-it wasn't- the statement's correct. and it wasn't it wasn't just wasn't just it wasn't just ssosis—snsl wasn't just it wasn't just people _the they people working at the bar. they said— people working at the bar. they saislwas— people working at the bar. they saislwas-ans— people working at the bar. they said was and managers. said it was staff and managers. so said it was staff and managers. so—is— said it was staff and managers. so—is wens- said it was staff and managers. so_it went all- said it was staff and managers. so_it went all the. so apparently it went all the way— so apparently it went all the was—ii- so apparently it went all the was—ii snai- so apparently it went all the way—if that is. so apparently it went all the. way—if that is true way through. but if that is true ans— way through. but if that is true and is— way through. but if that is true and is is— way through. but if that is true and is is a— way through. but if that is true and it is a gutlessness not to sand— and it is a gutlessness not to ssans ss— and it is a gutlessness not to ssans so so— and it is a gutlessness not to stand up to staff— and it is a gutlessness not to stand up to staff and we've seen snis— stand up to staff and we've seen snis again— stand up to staff and we've seen snis again ans— stand up to staff and we've seen this again and again and again, sanissiasis— this again and again and again, particularly artistic particularly in artistic industries,— particularly in artistic industries, we've seen this

sisnss— industries, we've seen this sisnswlsimos— industries, we've seen this plenty times publishing. plenty of times in publishing. wow,— well, the answer has to be this, oossn-s— well, the answer has to be this, oossn-s iii— well, the answer has to be this, oossn-s isi wo— well, the answer has to be this, doesn't it? we can't have sgsaiiss— doesn't it? we can't have. equality—several equality law run in several sectors, but— equality law run in several sectors, but then just say, oh, it sectors, but then just say, oh, is oossn-s— sectors, but then just say, oh, it doesn't-for- sectors, but then just say, oh, it doesn't for that, it doesn't count for that, oossn-s— it doesn't count for that, doesn't count— it doesn't count for that, doesn't count that. because doesn't count for that. because if doesn't count for that. because ii-snast— doesn't count for that. because n-aa, wo— doesn't count for that. because if-that, we have- if we do that, we have insgsaiisw— if we do that, we have inequality before the law we inequality before the law and we nave—gas- inequality before the law and we nave—gas ssosisi have no go areas for gay people ans— have no go areas for gay people and-areas for— have no go areas for gay people and areas for feminists. and no go areas for feminists. ans— and no go areas for feminists. ans snas-s— and no go areas for feminists. and that's that's— and no go areas for feminists. and that's that's completely somians— contrary to civic discourse. issnnis— contrary to civic discourse. dennis kavanagh and jenny iinsssw— dennis kavanagh and jenny lindsey,-much. dennis kavanagh and jenny lindsey, much for dennis kavanagh and jenny- lindsey,-much for now. lindsey, thanks so much for now. coming— lindsey, thanks so much for now. coming as— lindsey, thanks so much for now. coming up in— lindsey, thanks so much for now. coming so in sno— lindsey, thanks so much for now. coming up in the final— lindsey, thanks so much for now. coming up in the final part- lindsey, thanks so much for now. coming up in the final part of free speech nation , we're going free speech nation, we're going to be looking at the videos that have gone viral this week and answering some of your unfiltered tuned unfiltered dilemmas. stay tuned .thank unfiltered dilemmas. stay tuned . thank you, danny .

welcome back to free speech nation. . welcome back to free speech wasion. — . welcome back to free speech wasion. wow— . welcome back to free speech wasion. wow .— . welcome back to free speech nation. now , every— . welcome back to free speech nation. now , every week,- welcome back to free speech nation. hiitisi nation. now, every week, as you know, we dedicate this part of the show to the world of social media. so let's have a look at our first clip. this is a the video of man who managed to

video of a man who managed to sneak through the security video of a man who managed to sneak tandigh the security video of a man who managed to sneak tand glidea security video of a man who managed to sneak tand glidea sec the' video of a man who managed to sneak tand glidea sec the prince cordon and glide past the prince and wales so he and princess of wales so he could collect his prescription . could collect his prescription. it's shocking, isn't it? don't you think he should be beheaded? really would he have to pay for his prescription?— t would he have to pay for his prescription? because in ssosians— his prescription? because in ssosians sos — his prescription? because in scotland you don't . i scotland you don't. actually, i son-s— scotland you don't. actually, i don't know about that . okay. don't know about that. okay. but we can maybe find out. yeah wnas— but we can maybe find out. yeah wnas so— but we can maybe find out. yeah wnas no son— but we can maybe find out. yeah what do you make— but we can maybe find out. yeah what do you make of— but we can maybe find out. yeah what do you make of that,- but we can maybe find out. yeah what do you make of that, steve? is that rude to do that? i mean, no. and actually,— is that rude to do that? i mean, no. and actually, this- is that rude to do that? i mean, no. and actually, this is- :i :iiti 7 i mean, no. and actually, this is the sning. — no. and actually, this is the sning. ii— no. and actually, this is the thing. if you're— no. and actually, this is the thing. if you're about to be assessed— thing. if you're about to be arrested for— thing. if you're about to be arrested for protesting an arrested for protesting as an anti—monarchy— arrested for protesting as an anti—monarchy list. just anti—monarchy list. yes. just say—a- say no. don't get me a prescription— say no. don't get me a prescription filled. let prescription filled. i'll let you— prescription filled. i'll let sou-snsosgn- prescription filled. i'll let you _through. that's you straight through. and that's now— you straight through. and that's now-nouns.— you straight through. and that's now-nouns. — you straight through. and that's how-round. did- you straight through. and that'si how-round. did-not how you get round. did he not miss— how you get round. did he not notice them there? that the notice them there? is that the thing? he's probably not interested.— interested. ofsted. no, just wansss— interested. ofsted. no, just wanes-.- interested. ofsted. no, just wanted . thought interested. ofsted. no, just. wanted-. thought he interested. ofsted. no, just- wanted-. thought he just wanted his meds. thought he just mosses—wou- needed the meds. yes, well, we've-there. - needed the meds. yes, well,i we've-there. bruce, we've all been there. bruce, i nosi— we've all been there. bruce, i noas yous— we've all been there. bruce, i hear you, sister. i mean, you can't a good few can't get up without a good few pills in exactly. i'm valley of the pills in exactly. i'm valley of sns isoiis— pills in exactly. i'm valley of the dolls, the— t“ expemq i'm valley of the dolls, the musical. tg“ the dolls, the musical. right. wows—

the dolls, the musical. right. wo-wo gos— the dolls, the musical. right. we've got video— the dolls, the musical. right. we've got video mp jacob we've got video now of mp jacob rees—mogg , erg being the epitome rees—mogg, erg being the epitome of british cool after being evacuated from outside buckingham palace . anyway, we're buckingham palace. anyway, we're just buckingham palace. anyway, we're isss gossing— buckingham palace. anyway, we're isss gossing sns— buckingham palace. anyway, we're just getting the latest— i “g“p“ i anyway, we're just getting the latest word isom— just getting the latest word isom sns— just getting the latest word from the metropolitan police and i from the metropolitan police and i son-s— from the metropolitan police and i son-s know— from the metropolitan police and i don't know what— from the metropolitan police and i don't know what it is . we're i don't know what it is. we're going— i don't know what it is. we're going so— i don't know what it is. we're going so nave— i don't know what it is. we're going to have to— i don't know what it is. we're going to have to evacuate now. so going to have to evacuate now. so im— going to have to evacuate now. so in wow— going to have to evacuate now. so in wow sons— going to have to evacuate now. so i'm very sorry to say that it is goos— so i'm very sorry to say that it is good evening— so i'm very sorry to say that it is good evening for me for the sins— is good evening for me for the sims issing— is good evening for me for the sims issing ,— is good evening for me for the sims issing , as— is good evening for me for the time being, as i— is good evening for me for the time being, as i think that was ssoisaisis— time being, as i think that was ssoisaisis a— time being, as i think that was probably a controlled explosion in sns— probably a controlled explosion in the background. that's what it in the background. that's what is sounded— in the background. that's what it sounded like— in the background. that's what it sounded like to— in the background. that's what it sounded like to me. we will no sosiss— it sounded like to me. we will no doubt find— it sounded like to me. we will no doubt find out— it sounded like to me. we will no doubt find out later. it sounded like to me. we will no doubt find out later . t“ no doubt find out later. i mean, nos— no doubt find out later. i mean, he's unflappable. i would have screamed the place down. well, i mean , you have to i: i : well, i mean , you have to remember that mean, you have to remember that insis— mean, you have to remember that snows-soon— mean, you have to remember that there-been images- mean, you have to remember that there been images of on there have been images of him on there have been images of him on sns-ssnsnss— there have been images of him on the-benches having- there have been images of him on the benches having a nap. the green benches having a nap. mas-s— the green benches having a nap. mass—nis- the green benches having a nap. that's—his paid- that's true. during his paid work— that's true. during his paid work sins.— that's true. during his paid work time. that's true. so, you know— work time. that's true. so, you know nosing.— work time. that's true. so, you know nothing. would it know nothing. why would it isomor— know nothing. why would it bother- doesn't - know nothing. why would it bother doesn't bother bother him? it doesn't bother nim. — bother him? it doesn't bother nim. .iang— bother him? it doesn't bother nim. .iang is— bother him? it doesn't bother him. .bang islthe- him. the bang is in the background. how is not more background. how is he not more alarmed? well, just small alarmed? well, just a small issss.|snink— alarmed? well, just a small issue.ithink i'm— :7 well, just a small issue. think i'm right in issue. i think i'm right in saying— issue. i think i'm right in saying snis— issue. i think i'm right in saying this technicality that the saying this technicality that sns issiising— saying this technicality that the building evacuated . he the building is evacuated. he wasn-s— the building is evacuated. he wasn't evacuated. he was swassasss. — wasn't evacuated. he was evacuated. he— wasn't evacuated. he was evacuated. he would have just sons— evacuated. he would have just some a— evacuated. he would have just done a massive— evacuated. he would have just done a massive toilet. oh, we

kos— done a massive toilet. oh, we see. you are a bit- done a massive toilet. oh, we see. you are a bit of- done a massive toilet. oh, we see. you are a bit of a- done a massive toilet. oh, we see. /i. c g see. you are a bit of a grammar, aren't you? i just there is a if aren't you? i just there is a if a somis— aren't you? i just there is a if a isomis goss— aren't you? i just there is a if a bomb goes off— aren't you? i just there is a if a bomb goes off near- c 7 i just there is a if a bomb goes off near me, i c {sitc7 i just there is a if a bomb goes off near me, i would be a bomb goes off near me, i would iss swassasss— a bomb goes off near me, i would be evacuated and— a bomb goes off near me, i would be evacuated and finally, let's move away from _ be evacuated and finally, let's move away from the coronation on smas— move away from the coronation on ma iowsis— move away from the coronation on that lovely image. _ move away from the coronation on that lovely image. the production— that lovely image. the production team here have found. they found me. this video of a dog riding a chicken . dog riding a chicken. that was obviously very cute. what does the chicken think about that, though? i'm not falling for that. it's like bernie clifton.- falling for that. it's like bernie clifton. it's- “g it's like bernie clifton. it's the dog's kegs— bernie clifton. it's the dog's isgs sns— bernie clifton. it's the dog's isgs sns sog-s— bernie clifton. it's the dog's legs, the dog's legs, and it's a iaks— legs, the dog's legs, and it's a fake chicken. _ legs, the dog's legs, and it's a fake chicken. it— legs, the dog's legs, and it's a fake chicken. c i: fake chicken. it could be that. do you the chicken is do you think the chicken is being there? idon't being exploited there? i don't know, because i do “g i: 7 i don't know, because i do remember wassning— know, because i do remember wassning a— know, because i do remember watching a debate on good morning— watching a debate on good morning britain . it was one of morning britain. it was one of the morning britain. it was one of sns mornings— morning britain. it was one of the mornings i— morning britain. it was one of the mornings i was up for ionains— the mornings i was up for lorraine and— the mornings i was up for lorraine and they were asking guise.— lorraine and they were asking guide a— lorraine and they were asking guide. a woman— lorraine and they were asking guide. a woman was complaining that guide. a woman was complaining snas-sogs— guide. a woman was complaining that-dogs weren't- guide. a woman was complaining that dogs weren't being that guide dogs weren't being asked— that guide dogs weren't being asked-consent— that guide dogs weren't being asked-consent to- that guide dogs weren't being asked consent to become guide asked to consent to become guide sogs. —nos- dogs. really, genuinely not a is. — dogs. really, genuinely not a is. inas— dogs. really, genuinely not a lie. they can't— dogs. really, genuinely not a lie. they can't speak- dogs. really, genuinely not a lie. sip“ c “sith t“ lie. they can't speak though, can they? that's the issue for dogs. yeah. mine could. but

snas-s— dogs. yeah. mine could. but that's another— :g yeah. mine could. but that's another story. sadly, not win— that's another story. sadly, not wisn ss— that's another story. sadly, not with us anymore.— that's another story. sadly, not with us anymore. but i don't know— with us anymore. but i don't knowlsns— with us anymore. but i don't know the chicken had been know if the chicken had been sonssisss— know if the chicken had been consulted—not. know if the chicken had beeni consulted—not the consulted, whether or not the sniskon— consulted, whether or not the chicken consulted. consulted, whether or not the i chicken-consulted. the chicken had been consulted. the snisksn—nasss.- chicken had been consulted. the snisksn—nasss. i- chicken looks quite happy. i sows— chicken looks quite happy. i. sows—skis love that we can turn that clip inso— love that we can turn that clip into something— love that we can turn that clip into something we can into something that we can get osssagss— into something that we can get outraged-think- into something that we can get outraged _think that'sj outraged about. i think that's great. to think about great. we have to think about the of poultry. yeah. you the rights of poultry. yeah. you know, this is. this is the isssss. — know, this is. this is the isssss. .is— know, this is. this is the future. -is kind- know, this is. this is the future.-is kind of. know, this is. this is the- future.-is kind of chicken. future. this is kind of chicken. kos— future. this is kind of chicken. vos wosis— future. this is kind of chicken. you would eat— future. this is kind of chicken. you would eat by— future. this is kind of chicken. you would eat by the way. that kooks— you would eat by the way. that kooks-organis- you would eat by the way. that looks organic. yeah looks totally organic. yeah ssiinissis. — looks totally organic. yeah definitely. well, could bring looks totally organic. yeah definiteland ell, could bring looks totally organic. yeah definiteland ell, dog uld bring looks totally organic. yeah definiteland ell, dog uld briiyou you kfc and the dog brings you the you kfc and the dog brings you sns-moan— you kfc and the dog brings you the-mean, it's- you kfc and the dog brings you the-mean, it's .- you kfc and the dog brings you the-mean, it's . we. you kfc and the dog brings you the mean, it's . we saw the andrex. i mean, it's. we saw sns— the andrex. i mean, it's. we saw sns-going— the andrex. i mean, it's. we saw sns-going so— the andrex. i mean, it's. we saw the-going to leeds- the andrex. i mean, it's. we saw the going to leeds on the train going to leeds on sagas.— the train going to leeds on nisas. -nos- the train going to leeds on. friday.-not pleasant. friday. that was not pleasant. sskaw— friday. that was not pleasant. sskaw wou— friday. that was not pleasant. okay. wsii .— friday. that was not pleasant. okay, well , let's— friday. that was not pleasant. okay, well , let's move on to the okay, well, let's move on to the part— okay, well, let's move on to the sass oi— okay, well, let's move on to the sass oi-snow— okay, well, let's move on to the part of. show where - okay, well, let's move on to the part of show where we talk part of the show where we talk snsosgn— part of the show where we talk snsosgn wow— part of the show where we talk through your unfiltered dilemmas. - through your unfiltered dilemmas. i through your unfiltered. dilemmas. _our first through your unfiltered— dilemmas. _our first dilemma dilemmas. now, our first dilemma has come jennifer. thank has come in from jennifer. thank you, for sending this has come in from jennifer. thank y0ljennifer for sending this has come in from jennifer. thank y0ljennifer says, sending this has come in from jennifer. thank y0ljennifer says, sencbeen�*iis in. jennifer says, i've been dating amazing, in. jennifer says, i've been dating amazing , beautiful, dating an amazing, beautiful, talented man for two months. i've just started staying at his house and he has started to pick his toenails in front of me. it's absolutely disgusting . but it's absolutely disgusting. but it's absolutely disgusting. but i also hate the fact he's already comfortable enough to do it in front of me. does this mean doesn't respect yes mean he doesn't respect me? yes yes. absolutely it yes. that's absolutely what it means. absolutely. vile relationship vile relationship loopholes. ' csi;c{s vile relationship loopholes. this means. absolutely. vile- relationship loopholes. this man just relationship loopholes. this man isss sninks— relationship loopholes. this man

isss sninks no— relationship loopholes. this man just thinks he can— relationship loopholes. this man just thinks he can do anything he just thinks he can do anything no iikss— just thinks he can do anything he likes. he's— just thinks he can do anything he likes. he's foul. she should get he likes. he's foul. she should gss—ssnniiss- he likes. he's foul. she should get jennifer, you're get rid of him. jennifer, you're wonn— get rid of him. jennifer, you're wonn-kns— get rid of him. jennifer, you're wonn-kns-sosl get rid of him. jennifer, you're- worth _and .you don't worth more. and then you don't know what jennifer gets up to. of course. but no, i wouldn't imagine she'd look scabby a imagine she'd look scabby in a pair birkenstocks. i mean, pair of birkenstocks. i mean, those would pair of birkenstocks. i mean, those .would positively. those feet would positively sissasss. — those feet would positively diseased. _like i those feet would positively diseased. like the diseased. they look like the ininss— diseased. they look like the- prince _fingers. prince charles sausage fingers. i prince charles sausage fingers. i-know— prince charles sausage fingers. i-know ii— prince charles sausage fingers. i-know ii snai— i don't know if that was necessarily feet. i think it necessarily the feet. i think it was of a foot we was a picture of a foot that we used. i that was sent in used. i thought that was sent in by used. i thought that was sent in islwiswsn — used. i thought that was sent in islwiswsn i— used. i thought that was sent in bylviewer. i mean,- used. i thought that was sent in bylviewer. i mean, that- c.: i thought that was sent in by viewer. t“ : by a viewer. i mean, that would be problem in that be i think the problem in that relationship her at relationship would be her at that you started that point. if you started secretly your secretly photographing your partner's feet, just split partner's feet, she'd just split up. i have said. up. i hate them. both have said. i is up. i hate them. both have said. i—is is— up. i hate them. both have said. i—is is a— up. i hate them. both have said. i—is is a siissswl i mean, steve, is it a slippery siossi — i mean, steve, is it a slippery siossi kos— i mean, steve, is it a slippery slope? you know,- i mean, steve, is it a slippery slope? /sitc i mean, steve, is it a slippery- slope? you know,-you start slope? you know, once you start to that, you know, your to do that, you know, pick your toes your partner, toes in front of your partner, it means you don't respect them, right? you'll be cheating and it means you don't respect them, right you'lll be cheating and it means you don't respect them, right you'll embellishing and then you'll embellishing the funds. always make out funds. people always make it out somehow. you're so close because you somehow. you're so close because sos—wsinssaisiiissl somehow. you're so close because you in _vulnerability. i somehow. you're so close because you in one-vulnerability.- you're so close because you in one of vulnerability. you're so close because you in one of firstterability. you're so close because you in one of first longility. you're so close because you in one of first long term no. in one of my first long term soiasionsnist— no. in one of my first long term relationship,-we- no. in one of my first long term relationship, we that relationship, aukus we had that momsns—wno- relationship, aukus we had that moment who starts moment of like, oh, who starts sneaking—oi.- moment of like, oh, who starts breaking—of, oh,i breaking wind in front of, oh, smas— breaking wind in front of, oh, mas—mon- breaking wind in front of, oh,| that—then after that cute moment. then after snai— that cute moment. then after snas points— that cute moment. then after snas points i— that cute moment. then after that point, i must— that cute moment. then after that point, i must have been osssons— that point, i must have been osssonsla— that point, i must have been outdone-a ratio- that point, i must have been outdone a ratio of 9 to 1, outdone at a ratio of 9 to 1, i sssasnss— outdone at a ratio of 9 to 1, i sssasnss in— outdone at a ratio of 9 to 1, i breathed in more— outdone at a ratio of 9 to 1, i breathed in more trump than i let breathed in more trump than i iss-snsosgn— breathed in more trump than i let-through that- breathed in more trump than i let through that entire let out through that entire relationship.— let out through that entire relationship. and worth relationship. and it's not worth kooks—kooks- relationship. and it's not worth ksss—ksss snsl keep the mystique. keep the

mwsssns. — keep the mystique. keep the mwsssw. _aibiel keep the mystique. keep the mystery. albie just mystery. absolutely albie just be mystery. absolutely albie just soo—isoss- mystery. absolutely albie just be_more than- mystery. absolutely albie just- be_more than anything. be hygienic. more than anything. have be hygienic. more than anything. saws-sigmo— be hygienic. more than anything. saws-signiss .— be hygienic. more than anything. have-dignity , have- have some dignity, have a ion— have some dignity, have a manicure for goodness. stop waising— manicure for goodness. stop waking-snis— manicure for goodness. stop writing this program . deal writing into this program. deal wisn— writing into this program. deal wisn sow— writing into this program. deal with your problems . \sis writing into this program. deal with your problems . \sits with your problems. no, they noon — with your problems. no, they noon wo. — with your problems. no, they need us. no, that's true. these people need us. okay, so we've got another dilemma . now, this got another dilemma. now, this came in from reggie. thank you , came in from reggie. thank you, reggie. reggie said, i've saved £20,000 for a deposit on a house, but it's not nearly enough. house, but it's not nearly enough . plus, with the climate enough. plus, with the climate catastrophe that will destroy the planet and the cost of living crisis that has no end in sight should enjoy my sight. should i just enjoy my money buy cool money now and buy loads of cool stuff? i don't draghi knows what cool stuff is. i'm stuff? i don't draghi knows what cool stuff is . i'm not going to cool stuff is. i'm not going to is.— cool stuff is. i'm not going to is. sskasi— cool stuff is. i'm not going to lie. okay? this— cool stuff is. i'm not going to lie. okay? this is— i i'm not going to lie. okay? this is ridiculous. if lie. okay? this is ridiculous. ii sou-wo— lie. okay? this is ridiculous. ii wos-ws gos— lie. okay? this is ridiculous. if you've got £20,000 in a cost of if you've got £20,000 in a cost oi swing— if you've got £20,000 in a cost of living crisis,— if you've got £20,000 in a cost of living crisis, pipe the bleep sown.— of living crisis, pipe the bleep sown. issaiisi— of living crisis, pipe the bleep down. really? yeah. come on, ksggis— down. really? yeah. come on, issggis. siss— down. really? yeah. come on, issggis. siws ss— down. really? yeah. come on, reggie. give us all a break. wnen— reggie. give us all a break. when soa— reggie. give us all a break. when you have— reggie. give us all a break. when you have this- reggie. give us all a break. when you have this kind- reggie. give us all a break. when you have this kind of apocalyptic and you apocalyptic worldview and you think all going to end think it's all going to end anyway, as just go anyway, you may as well just go out party all the time and out and party all the time and spend money. surely. spend all your money. surely. i recently watched the last houday recently watched the last holiday latifah holiday with queen latifah and she was misdiagnosed and it was awful. the be awful. the film should be expunged_ awful. the film should be expunged-history| awful. the film should be. expunged-history of awful. the film should be- expunged-history of all expunged from the history of all and i— expunged from the history of all and i saw— expunged from the history of all and i saw so— expunged from the history of all and i say to reggie, keep

and i say to reggie, no, keep smas— and i say to reggie, no, keep snas money— and i say to reggie, no, keep that money,-work- and i say to reggie, no, keep that money, work a bit that money, but work a bit maison— that money, but work a bit mason so— that money, but work a bit harder so you— that money, but work a bit- harder so you-£40,000. harder so you can get £40,000. mon— harder so you can get £40,000. mom—so- harder so you can get £40,000. insn—so isss- then you'll be able to buy a in— then you'll be able to buy a mansion in the— then you'll be able to buy a mansion in the highlands. «ii1”{s mansion in the highlands. very gsiskiw— mansion in the highlands. very quicklys ssoss.— mansion in the highlands. very quickly, steve, from _ mansion in the highlands. very quickly, steve, from .any. quickly, steve, from you, any thoughts queen or thoughts on queen latifah or indeed stick to the indeed this? i'll stick to the sosis. — indeed this? i'll stick to the sosis. maybe— indeed this? i'll stick to the topic. maybe yeah.- :: 7 i'll stick to the topic. maybe yeah. the topic. maybe yeah. keep the money—accountl topic. maybe yeah. keep the. money—account and money in the bank account and mom—soars- money in the bank account and then _years from i then by about five years from _isss— then by about five years from now-isss-a- then by about five years from now,-buy-a tank then by about five years from . now,-buy-a tank of now, that will buy you a tank of ssssoi. — now, that will buy you a tank of ssssoi. insis— now, that will buy you a tank of petrol. there we— now, that will buy you a tank of petrol. : petrol. there we go. wonderful advice from both of my panellists there. thanks so much for joining us for free speech nafion for joining us for free speech nation the nation this week. this was the week politician was week when a politician was deplatformed for wrongthink. the tories and burned in tories crashed and burned in the local elections new local elections and a new monarch was crowned. thank you so panel, steve so much to my panel, steve n alan and bruce devlin and to all my guests this evening, andrew bridgen, frazer myers, david oldroyd dennis kavanagh, oldroyd bolt, dennis kavanagh, jenny lindsay, j. shaw jenny lindsay, stephen j. shaw and charlie astor and and charlie bentley. astor and of course, thank you very much to john cleese. and if you want to john cleese. and if you want to join us live in the studio and be part of our wonderful audience, that. just audience, you can do that. just go dot sro audiences dot go to ww dot sro audiences dot com. you can come along we've got free drink and food. it's have a great time stay tuned by the way for brilliant mark the way for the brilliant mark dolan coming dolan tonight that's coming up next don't forget headliners

next and don't forget headliners is on every night at 11:00 that's the late night paper preview show with comedians taking you through the next day's stories. farewell hello there and greg dewhurst. and welcome to your latest- it“si;ii; p“: ciig i and welcome to your latest news. wsasnss— welcome to your latest news. weather forecast _ welcome to your latest news. weather forecast .— welcome to your latest news. weather forecast . well, it's all weather forecast. well, it's all snangs— weather forecast. well, it's all snangs again— weather forecast. well, it's all change again after a fairly signs— change again after a fairly bright sunday.— change again after a fairly bright sunday. we've got rain mowing— bright sunday. we've got rain moving in— bright sunday. we've got rain moving in tonight and spreading sass— moving in tonight and spreading sass snsosgn— moving in tonight and spreading east through monday. we can see at east through monday. we can see as sns— east through monday. we can see as is bigger— east through monday. we can see at the bigger picture a ridge of mm— at the bigger picture a ridge of nign sissssss— at the bigger picture a ridge of high pressure brought us the dry wsasnss— high pressure brought us the dry wsasnss ion— high pressure brought us the dry weather for many— high pressure brought us the dry weather for many of us through ssnsas. — weather for many of us through ssnsas. isss— weather for many of us through sunday- isss is— weather for many of us through sunday. but it is— weather for many of us through sunday. but it is all change as you— sunday. but it is all change as you san— sunday. but it is all change as you can see. weather fronts mowing— you can see. weather fronts moving in— you can see. weather fronts moving in from _ you can see. weather fronts moving in from the atlantic, swinging— moving in from the atlantic, bringing outbreaks rain and bringing outbreaks of rain and sink— bringing outbreaks of rain and issisk wings— bringing outbreaks of rain and brisk winds to— bringing outbreaks of rain and brisk winds to the rain already mowing— brisk winds to the rain already moving in— brisk winds to the rain already moving in this— brisk winds to the rain already moving in this evening across sin— moving in this evening across ssn sans— moving in this evening across western parts of— moving in this evening across western parts of the uk. wonnsm— western parts of the uk. northern ireland eventually ssn— northern ireland eventually western coasts— northern ireland eventually western coasts scotland , western coasts of scotland, ingians— western coasts of scotland, ingians ans— western coasts of scotland, england and wales. some of this aim— england and wales. some of this rain-iss— england and wales. some of this rain-iss-as- england and wales. some of this rain _be _at times, - rain could be heavy at times, sns— rain could be heavy at times, sns-sns— rain could be heavy at times, the-the drier- rain could be heavy at times, the the drier weather the best of the drier weather noising— the best of the drier weather mowing-sns- the best of the drier weather holding-the far- the best of the drier weather holding the far east holding on across the far east ans— holding on across the far east and southeast,— holding on across the far east and southeast, increasing and southeast, but increasing ssoss— and southeast, but increasing ssoss non.— and southeast, but increasing cloud here. not— and southeast, but increasing cloud here. not a— and southeast, but increasing cloud here. not a cold night at aii— cloud here. not a cold night at all. temperatures— cloud here. not a cold night at all. temperatures remaining in sosisio— all. temperatures remaining in double figures— all. temperatures remaining in double figures right across the sosnsw— double figures right across the sosnsns .— double figures right across the sosnsns . so— double figures right across the sosnsw . so a— double figures right across the country . so a bit— double figures right across the country . so a bit of a grey country. so a bit of a grey ssan— country. so a bit of a grey start across— country. so a bit of a grey start across many parts. monday morning— start across many parts. monday morning outbreaks— start across many parts. monday morning outbreaks of rain for sin— morning outbreaks of rain for sin sans— morning outbreaks of rain for western parts of—

morning outbreaks of rain for western parts of england and wakes— western parts of england and waiss .— western parts of england and waiss . inis— western parts of england and wales . this sweeping its way wales. this sweeping its way siowis— wales. this sweeping its way slowly eastwards— wales. this sweeping its way slowly eastwards heavy slowly eastwards could be heavy at slowly eastwards could be heavy as—so— slowly eastwards could be heavy as—so sns— at times. best to the brightness,- at times. best to the brightness, holding to east brightness, holding on to east angiia— brightness, holding on to east anglia-longest- brightness, holding on to east anglia longest and anglia for the longest and ssnsnins— anglia for the longest and- sunshine _the sunshine returning behind the an— sunshine returning behind the .— sunshine returning behind the , isss— sunshine returning behind the rain , but also— sunshine returning behind the rain , but also heavy rain, but also some heavy showers. these- rain, but also some heavy showers. these will be thundery across northern— showers. these will be thundery across northern ireland could seas— across northern ireland could isas so— across northern ireland could isas so somo— across northern ireland could lead to some localised flooding . temperatures— lead to some localised flooding . temperatures lower compared to ssnsaw— . temperatures lower compared to ssnsaw isss— . temperatures lower compared to sunday, but still— . temperatures lower compared to sunday, but still any sunday, but still in any signs— sunday, but still in any brighter reaching sunday, but still in any- brighter- reaching close brighter spells reaching close to brighter spells reaching close so zo— brighter spells reaching close to 20 celsius— brighter spells reaching close to 20 celsius into the evening . to 20 celsius into the evening. ingians— to 20 celsius into the evening. ingians ans— to 20 celsius into the evening. england and wales cloudy with isnnss— england and wales cloudy with further outbreaks— england and wales cloudy with further outbreaks of rain which sosis— further outbreaks of rain which sosislnsaw— further outbreaks of rain which could-heavy at— further outbreaks of rain which could heavy at times. the could be heavy at times. the isissssns— could be heavy at times. the blustery showers— could be heavy at times. the blustery showers across parts of ssosians.— blustery showers across parts of scotland. northern— blustery showers across parts of scotland. northern ireland snosis— scotland. northern ireland should ease— scotland. northern ireland should ease as— scotland. northern ireland should ease as we move into the oasis— should ease as we move into the oasis-isss— should ease as we move into the early-but overnight- early hours, but overnight gsnssaiis— early hours, but overnight generally into— early hours, but overnight generally into tuesday morning, it generally into tuesday morning, is-gsiss— generally into tuesday morning, is-gsiss siosiw— generally into tuesday morning, it quite cloudy. there it stays quite cloudy. there wiii— it stays quite cloudy. there win-iss— it stays quite cloudy. there will-be some- it stays quite cloudy. there will be some bits and will still be some bits and kisses— will still be some bits and sissss oi— will still be some bits and pieces of rain— will still be some bits and pieces of rain around and temperatures— pieces of rain around and temperatures well again with the ssoss— temperatures well again with the ssoss noising— temperatures well again with the cloud holding up— temperatures well again with the cloud holding up in double iigssss— cloud holding up in double iigssss .— cloud holding up in double iigssss , ion— cloud holding up in double figures , for many of us it means figures, for many of us it means a grey— figures, for many of us it means a grey ssan— figures, for many of us it means a grey ssan again— figures, for many of us it means a grey start again tuesday morning. — a grey start again tuesday morning. best— a grey start again tuesday morning. best of the bright ssoiis— morning. best of the bright spells across— morning. best of the bright spells across the north and the woss. — spells across the north and the woss. ino— spells across the north and the west. the east— spells across the north and the west. the east cloudier here, sanissiaris— west. the east cloudier here, particularly across north—east ssosians— particularly across north—east scotland with— particularly across north—east scotland with rain and drizzle snrosgn— scotland with rain and drizzle through morning into the through the morning into the aisornoon. — through the morning into the afternoon. we— through the morning into the afternoon. we will some afternoon. we will see some noaw— afternoon. we will see some noawasros-s- afternoon. we will see some heavy across eastern heavy showers across eastern sans— heavy showers across eastern sans-sk— heavy showers across eastern sans-wk .— heavy showers across eastern parts-uk . whilst- heavy showers across eastern parts uk . whilst in the

parts of the uk. whilst in the wosst— parts of the uk. whilst in the west, further— parts of the uk. whilst in the west, further heavy showers move in moro— west, further heavy showers move in noro ans— west, further heavy showers move in here and again— west, further heavy showers move in here and again in— west, further heavy showers move in here and again in any ssnsmno— in here and again in any sunshine, temperatures lifting ssass— sunshine, temperatures lifting stays unsettled _ sunshine, temperatures lifting stays unsettled wednesday and insrssas— stays unsettled wednesday and insrssas .— stays unsettled wednesday and thursday . further rain and thursday. further rain and sowons—

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