time for a new government in this country? if so, who should it be? by the way, you also said as well it was time for another brexit referendum. goodness gracious me, i can't cope with that one, so i will move on. the arrests at coronation the arrests at the coronation the met have come out and met police now have come out and apologised what do you

apologised sized. what do you think to that? think they think to that? do you think they should apologised or should should have apologised or should it have been zero tolerance was the right and new the right approach and a new mortgage is on the way. mortgage product is on the way. 100% borrower this time with no ioo% borrower this time with no guarantor needed whatsoever . guarantor needed whatsoever. it's to help the people that are stuck on the rental trap . do you stuck on the rental trap. do you think this is the right idea though? some people raising alarm bells saying that when it comes to affordable motty, we are asking for trouble with these kind of products. are we an and do you drive when you're tired? you better be careful because in the next couple of years there could be new forensic blood tests to show whether or not we've been driving on less than five hours sleep. goodness gracious. can you imagine new parents shift workers? you won't be able to drive what you make to it. we'll have it all to come and more. but we get into it, let's but before we get into it, let's bnng but before we get into it, let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's middle tonight's latest middle sorry, latest the latest latest middle east. the latest headunes latest middle east. the latest headlines middleton headlines with polly middleton hearst . michelle thanks very

hearst. michelle thanks very much indeed. well, the top story tonight— much indeed. well, the top story tonight on— much indeed. well, the top story tontgtt on et— much indeed. well, the top story tonight on gb news— much indeed. well, the top story tonight on gb news is— ti 3: well, the top story tonight on gb news is that i 3: well, the top story tonight on gb news is that the tntormttttn— tonight on gb news is that the information commissioner's otttce— information commissioner's ttttte says— information commissioner's ttttte says tt— information commissioner's office says it won't be taking any— office says it won't be taking any atten— office says it won't be taking any action against lancashire potte— any action against lancashire oottoo oven— any action against lancashire police over the— any action against lancashire police over the disclosure of ntooto— police over the disclosure of nicola bully's_ police over the disclosure of nicola bully's personal information— nicola bully's personal information on the force came unten— information on the force came under criticism— information on the force came under criticism after the 45 yon— under criticism after the 45 year ott-o— under criticism after the 45 year old's body— under criticism after the 45 year old's body was discovered in year old's body was discovered tn tno— year old's body was discovered tn tno toot— year old's body was discovered in the river in— year old's body was discovered in the river in february tottontng— in the river in february following a— in the river in february following a three week search. noonnntto— following a three week search. meanwhile the _ following a three week search. meanwhile the police watchdog, the independent— meanwhile the police watchdog, the independent office for nonto— the independent office for police conduct, also says it's ttonttttot— police conduct, also says it's identified two _ police conduct, also says it's identified two areas of learning otter— identified two areas of learning ottot tno— identified two areas of learning after the force— identified two areas of learning after the force had contact with tons— after the force had contact with onto nutty— after the force had contact with onto nutty tn— after the force had contact with miss bully in the— after the force had contact with miss bully in the days before one— miss bully in the days before one nont— miss bully in the days before she went missing. an independent ty— she went missing. an independent by tno— she went missing. an independent review by the college of tottotng— review by the college of policing into _ review by the college of policing into the handling of the policing into the handling of to too— policing into the handling of to to— policing into the handling of the case is also— policing into the handling of the case is also underway. its ttnttngo— the case is also underway. its ttnttngo nttt— the case is also underway. its findings will be— the case is also underway. its findings will be published in the findings will be published in to outn— findings will be published in to tn .— findings will be published in the autumn . now the met police the autumn. now the met police commissioner— the autumn. now the met police commissioner has— the autumn. now the met police commissioner has defended his tone-e— commissioner has defended his force's policing— commissioner has defended his force's policing of— commissioner has defended his force's policing of the coronation— force's policing of the coronation after some criticism of coronation after some criticism ot tne— coronation after some criticism ot tne anest— coronation after some criticism of the arrest of— coronation after some criticism of the arrest of six— coronation after some criticism of the arrest of six protesters oneot— of the arrest of six protesters oneot ot— of the arrest of six protesters oneot ot tne— of the arrest of six protesters ahead of the event . sir of the arrest of six protesters ahead of the event. sir mark tontey— ahead of the event. sir mark rowley described the arrest as untonnnote— rowley described the arrest as unfortunate but— rowley described the arrest as unfortunate but stressed he enppone— unfortunate but stressed he enpnone tne— unfortunate but stressed he supports the arresting officer's

oettone— supports the arresting officer's oettone .— supports the arresting officer's oettone . tne— supports the arresting officer's actions . the force— supports the arresting officer's actions . the force confirmed the actions. the force confirmed the tnttvttnot-e— actions. the force confirmed the individual's face— actions. the force confirmed the individual's face no further oetton— individual's face no further action after— individual's face no further action after being stopped under the action after being stopped under tne ne— action after being stopped under the new public— action after being stopped under the new public order act . the the new public order act. the enme— the new public order act. the prime minister— the new public order act. the prime minister has also said today— prime minister has also said totoy ne— prime minister has also said today he supports people's right today he supports people's right to nnoteet— today he supports people's right to pnoteet, tut— today he supports people's right to protest, but says the new tone— to protest, but says the new tone oe— to protest, but says the new laws are needed— to protest, but says the new laws are needed to protect oootnet— laws are needed to protect against serious— laws are needed to protect against serious disruption . now against serious disruption. now pnonnoetete— against serious disruption. now pharmacists will— against serious disruption. now pharmacists will be able to give oneeenottone— pharmacists will be able to give prescriptions without a gp sign off prescriptions without a gp sign ott tn— prescriptions without a gp sign ott tn tne— prescriptions without a gp sign off in the latest— prescriptions without a gp sign off in the latest government ntone— off in the latest government ntone to— off in the latest government ptone to eoe— off in the latest government plans to ease pressure on toetone— plans to ease pressure on toetone .— plans to ease pressure on doctors . under- plans to ease pressure on doctors . under the measures, doctors. under the measures, nottente— doctors. under the measures, pottententtt— doctors. under the measures, patients will be— doctors. under the measures, patients will be able to get tneotnente— patients will be able to get treatments for— patients will be able to get treatments for seven common eonotttone— treatments for seven common eonotttone ,— treatments for seven common conditions , including a sore conditions, including a sore tnnoot— conditions, including a sore tnnoot ont— conditions, including a sore throat and ear— conditions, including a sore throat and ear infections nttnont— throat and ear infections without seeing a doctor. it's nonet— without seeing a doctor. it's nopeo tne— without seeing a doctor. it's hoped the new— without seeing a doctor. it's hoped the new guidelines, which will hoped the new guidelines, which nttt one— hoped the new guidelines, which will come into— hoped the new guidelines, which will come into place this ntnten— will come into place this winter, will— will come into place this winter, will free up 15 million ooootntnente— winter, will free up 15 million appointments at— winter, will free up 15 million appointments at surgeries over the appointments at surgeries over tne next— appointments at surgeries over tne next two— appointments at surgeries over the next two years. rishi sunak eoye— the next two years. rishi sunak eoye tne— the next two years. rishi sunak says the measures— the next two years. rishi sunak says the measures will also help cut says the measures will also help out notttno— says the measures will also help cut waiting times— says the measures will also help cut waiting times for those eeettno— cut waiting times for those seeking medical help . 3d seeking medical help. 80% of the county— seeking medical help. 80% of the coontny toes— seeking medical help. 80% of the country lives about 20 minutes walk from a pharmacy, and for many people there, easier place to access than their surgery. that's why we're investing more

in them and allowing them to do more and it's not just more medicines that people be medicines that people will be able to there. they'll be able to get there. they'll be able to get there. they'll be able more blood pressure able to get more blood pressure checks contraception checks or indeed contraception as expanding the as well. so we're expanding the range services that people range of services that people can pharmacies. can get from their pharmacies. that's ease that's good. it will ease pressure system mean that pressure on the system mean that people get to the people can get access to the health they need quicker. health care they need quicker. and it backs all our fantastic pharmacies with extra pharmacies as well with extra funding . well nhs gp anita raja funding. well nhs gp anita raja told gb news earlier she's sceptical about the plans. you know, and i know that at- you know, and i know that at the moment— know, and i know that at the moment there— know, and i know that at the moment there are so many nononeoe— moment there are so many hundreds of— moment there are so many hundreds of pharmacies have otneooy— hundreds of pharmacies have already closed— hundreds of pharmacies have already closed down. " already closed down. i mean you know.— already closed down. i mean you know. to— already closed down. i mean you know, by the time this is going to be implemented, we may not have a pharmacy near us. so everybody under lot of everybody is under a lot of pressure. we need to really, pressure. so we need to really, really, really work towards capacity , capacity, retrain and capacity, capacity, retrain and recruit. and you know, and value your health care staff . now, in your health care staff. now, in international— your health care staff. now, in international news,— your health care staff. now, in international news, the- ” tiftiz; now, in international news, the former enme— international news, the former prime minister— international news, the former prime minister of— international news, the former prime minister of pakistan has teen— prime minister of pakistan has been arrested— prime minister of pakistan has been arrested by— prime minister of pakistan has been arrested by anti—corruption nottee— been arrested by anti—corruption nottee tn— been arrested by anti—corruption police in islamabad and his

eoooonene— police in islamabad and his supporters are— police in islamabad and his supporters are being told to snot— supporters are being told to ennt tonn— supporters are being told to shut down the— supporters are being told to shut down the country. footage onneone— shut down the country. footage oppeone to— shut down the country. footage oppeone to snow— shut down the country. footage appears to show paramilitary tnoone— appears to show paramilitary tnoone tn— appears to show paramilitary tnoooe tn not— appears to show paramilitary troops in riot gear surrounding the troops in riot gear surrounding tne tonnen— troops in riot gear surrounding the former cricketer. inside a courtroom room.— the former cricketer. inside a courtroom room. the move has to led courtroom room. the move has to teo nnoteete— courtroom room. the move has to teo nnoteete tn— courtroom room. the move has to led protests in mr— courtroom room. the move has to led protests in mr khan's nonetonn— led protests in mr khan's hometown of— led protests in mr khan's hometown of lahore and members of hometown of lahore and members ot nn— hometown of lahore and members of his political— hometown of lahore and members of his political party are now eotttno— of his political party are now eotttno ton— of his political party are now calling for support. imran khan onetet— calling for support. imran khan was ousted from _ calling for support. imran khan was ousted from power in the county— was ousted from power in the eonntny tn— was ousted from power in the eonntny tn o— was ousted from power in the country in a parliamentary vote toot— country in a parliamentary vote toet yeon— country in a parliamentary vote toet yeon .— country in a parliamentary vote toet yeon . tne— country in a parliamentary vote last year . the prime minister last year. the prime minister noe— last year. the prime minister noe neieeteo— last year. the prime minister has rejected claims made by the tneeton— has rejected claims made by the russian president— has rejected claims made by the russian president that the west is russian president that the west te to— russian president that the west to to none— russian president that the west is to blame for— russian president that the west is to blame for the war in onnne,— is to blame for the war in ukraine, an— is to blame for the war in ukraine, an rishi sunak said nneetoent— ukraine, an rishi sunak said president putin— ukraine, an rishi sunak said president putin is the only neon— president putin is the only person response possible for the tnveoton— person response possible for the tnot— person response possible for the invasion that he's— person response possible for the invasion that he's called ttteoot— invasion that he's called illegal and— invasion that he's called illegal and unprovoked . it illegal and unprovoked. it tottone— illegal and unprovoked. it follows comments by vladimir nottn— follows comments by vladimir nottn note— follows comments by vladimir putin made during a speech at the putin made during a speech at tne onnot— putin made during a speech at the annual victory— putin made during a speech at the annual victory parade in toesto— the annual victory parade in russia, where— the annual victory parade in russia, where he claimed the eo—eotteo— russia, where he claimed the so—called real— russia, where he claimed the so—called real war is being waged— so—called real war is being wooeo ont— so—called real war is being waged and his— so—called real war is being waged and his country is simply oetenotno— waged and his country is simply oetenotno tte— waged and his country is simply defending its sovereignty . defending its sovereignty. the weston— defending its sovereignty. the western global— defending its sovereignty. the western global elites- defending its sovereignty. the western global elites still preach about their exceptionalism. they're pitting peonte— exceptionalism. they're pitting people oootnet— exceptionalism. they're pitting people against each— i they're pitting people against each other and

dividing— people against each other and dividing society,— people against each other and dividing society, provoking eontttete— dividing society, provoking conflicts and— dividing society, provoking conflicts and coups , sowing conflicts and coups, sowing noted.— conflicts and coups, sowing hatred. russophobia and oooneeetve— hatred. russophobia and aggressive nationalism and teetnoytno— aggressive nationalism and destroying the— aggressive nationalism and destroying the traditional tontty— destroying the traditional family values— destroying the traditional family values that make people, oeonte— family values that make people, people tney— family values that make people, people tney een— family values that make people, people they seem to have tonootten— people they seem to have forgotten what— people they seem to have forgotten what the claim to nonto— forgotten what the claim to world supremacy led to forgotten nno— world supremacy led to forgotten nno oeteotet— world supremacy led to forgotten who defeated this— world supremacy led to forgotten who defeated this horrible total ent— who defeated this horrible total en, nno— who defeated this horrible total evil, who stood— who defeated this horrible total evil, who stood up— who defeated this horrible total evil, who stood up for their nonetono— evil, who stood up for their homeland and— evil, who stood up for their homeland and did not spare their toes— homeland and did not spare their toes ton— homeland and did not spare their toes ton tne— homeland and did not spare their lives for the people of europe tn. — lives for the people of europe tn. n— lives for the people of europe in. a teenager— lives for the people of europe in. a teenager has- lives for the people of europe in. ' in. a teenager has been jailed for life for the murder of a 14 year old boy in south london. jermaine cools was fatally stabbed by 17 year old marcus walker in 2021, in croydon , walker in 2021, in croydon, cools, who was unarmed at the time, was the youngest fatally involved. knife crime in the capital that year. walker pleaded guilty to the murder earlier this year and possession of a knife. appearing at the old bailey, walker became the first youth to be sentenced on television . now, a marine barge, television. now, a marine barge, which will be used to house

migrants, has arrived in uk waters. it's called the bibby stockholm . it docked in falmouth stockholm. it docked in falmouth this morning. it's going to be refurbished ahead of its use as a housing centre. the three storey barge will be used for at least 18 months and can seat up to 500 people as they wait for asylum claims to be processed. it's part of a government scheme to move asylum seekers away from costly hotel accommodation and ambulance workers in the south—east have been striking today as their union escalated its industrial action over pay . its industrial action over pay. unite's members employed at south, central and south—east coast ambulance service will continue to strike until 10:00 tonight. last month, their members rejected the government's offer of a lump sum cash payment and a 5% pay rise. members of other health unions accepted the same offer . those accepted the same offer. those are your latest news headlines . are your latest news headlines. you're up to date on tv online dab radio and the tune in app. this is gb news. it's britain's

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gnognonne— you? can get in touch with this gnognonne-tne- you? can get in touch with this programme the usual ways programme in all the usual ways teoonoe— programme in all the usual ways teoonoe-not— programme in all the usual ways because-not-about- programme in all the usual ways because not about us because it's not just about us ttnee— because it's not just about us tnneelveny— because it's not just about us three.-very much- because it's not just about us three. very much about you three. it's very much about you at three. it's very much about you ot none. — three. it's very much about you at home. vaiews@gbnews.uk is non— at home. vaiews@gbnews.uk is non-emot— at home. vaiews@gbnews.uk is how-email me.— at home. vaiews@gbnews.uk is how-email me. or- at home. vaiews@gbnews.uk is how email me. or you can how you email me. or you can tweet— how you email me. or you can tweet ne— how you email me. or you can tweet ne ot— how you email me. or you can tweet me at gb— how you email me. or you can tweet me at gb news. now i oonnot— tweet me at gb news. now i cannot believe— tweet me at gb news. now i cannot believe that it hasn't even been a week since the local eteottono— even been a week since the local eteottono. tt— even been a week since the local elections. it feels— even been a week since the local elections. it feels like a tttettne— elections. it feels like a lifetime ago.- elections. it feels like a lifetime ago. we've had a coronation,— lifetime ago. we've had a coronation, a— lifetime ago. we've had a coronation, a bank holiday. it's all coronation, a bank holiday. it's ott teen— coronation, a bank holiday. it's ott teen gotng— coronation, a bank holiday. it's all been going on— coronation, a bank holiday. it's all been going on anyway . all been going on anyway. tnene-o— all been going on anyway. there's been— all been going on anyway. there's been lots of chatter tottowtng— there's been lots of chatter following the _ there's been lots of chatter following the outcome that following the outcome of that tooot— following the outcome of that local election _ following the outcome of that local election ._ following the outcome of that local election . ed davey, he's local election. ed davey, he's wttn— local election. ed davey, he's wttn tne— local election. ed davey, he's one with the loudest calls at tne— one with the loudest calls at tne nnonnent— one with the loudest calls at the moment. he— one with the loudest calls at the moment. he reckons that tootoottw— the moment. he reckons that tootoottw tne— the moment. he reckons that basically the outcome of the tooot— basically the outcome of the local elections— basically the outcome of the local elections was like some nno— local elections was like some ttnt ot— local elections was like some ttnt ot onw— local elections was like some kind of cry from _ local elections was like some kind of cry from the people that tnew-ne— kind of cry from the people that they're absolutely— kind of cry from the people that they're absolutely desperate for onotnen— they're absolutely desperate for another general— they're absolutely desperate for another general election and eontw— another general election and eontw genenot— another general election and early general election because tnew— early general election because tnew wont— early general election because tnew wont to— early general election because they want to change the government. _ they want to change the government. by the way, i'd be toootnoteo— government. by the way, i'd be fascinated to— government. by the way, i'd be fascinated to know what he tntnto— fascinated to know what he thinks about— fascinated to know what he thinks about the turnout, by the way,— thinks about the turnout, by the wow—neonte - thinks about the turnout, by the wow—neonte one| way, because if so, people are if way, because if so, people are tt-neonte— way, because if so, people are tt-neonte oe- way, because if so, people are if-people are so- if so many people are so oeegenote— if so many people are so desperate for— if so many people are so desperate for early general desperate for an early general eteotton— desperate for an early general election, _they - desperate for an early general election, they get election, why didn't they get off. backside _ election, why didn't they get off backside then and get off the backside then and get out-vote— off the backside then and get out-votelsend- off the backside then and get out-votelsend a- off the backside then and get out vote send a message? out and vote to send a message? neoowe— out and vote to send a message? because calculations because unless my calculations oeoetwe— because unless my calculationsj oeoetwe—tnen deceive me, hardly any of them we. — deceive me, hardly any of them go. anwwow— deceive me, hardly any of them go. anwwow-owt- deceive me, hardly any of them did. anyway,-cut to- deceive me, hardly any of them did. anyway, cut to the did. anyway, let's cut to the oone — did. anyway, let's cut to the oone noton— did. anyway, let's cut to the chase. - start with - did. anyway, let's cut to the chase. start with you, chase. i'll start with you, toogoettne— chase. i'll start with you,- jacqueline._now is jacqueline. do you think now is the jacqueline. do you think now is

tne-ton— jacqueline. do you think now is tne-ton on— jacqueline. do you think now is the-for an early- jacqueline. do you think now is the for an early general the time for an early general eteotton— the time for an early general eteotton tn. — the time for an early general election in. -not- the time for an early general election in. -not at- the time for an early general election in. i election in. no, not at all. i exneot— election in. no, not at all. i expeot davey— election in. no, not at all. i expect davey to _ election in. no, not at all. i expect davey to call- election in. \t:::t i expect davey to call for an eontw— expect davey to call for an eontw genenot— expect davey to call for an early general election or otwtowotw— early general election or obviously the— early general election or obviously the opposition, the tottow— obviously the opposition, the totown nonw— obviously the opposition, the totown nonw .— obviously the opposition, the labour party . it's what they all labour party. it's what they all do. labour party. it's what they all to. ano— labour party. it's what they all to. ant tnew— labour party. it's what they all do. and they did— labour party. it's what they all do. and they did pretty well. ano— do. and they did pretty well. ant tne— do. and they did pretty well. and the labour— do. and they did pretty well. and the labour party did very wett— and the labour party did very wett ono— and the labour party did very wett one we— and the labour party did very well and we didn't do as well as well and we didn't do as well as we wont— well and we didn't do as well as we would have— well and we didn't do as well as we would have liked in one way, not eonpnetng— we would have liked in one way, not surprising because obviously wnen— not surprising because obviously wnen wow-we— not surprising because obviously when you've been— not surprising because obviously when you've been in power for a tong— when you've been in power for a tong tne— when you've been in power for a long time happened with the ntotn— long time happened with the blair government, as you john lydon— blair government, as you john twton owe— blair government, as you john lydon sure will— blair government, as you john lydon sure will know, you tend to get— lydon sure will know, you tend to get hammered— lydon sure will know, you tend to get hammered in the local eteottono— to get hammered in the local elections and— to get hammered in the local elections and often the people wo-wne— elections and often the people who've supported— elections and often the people who've supported you because we do who've supported you because we to genenottw— who've supported you because we to genenottw ,— who've supported you because we to genenottw , ._ who've supported you because we do generally , i would say do generally, i would say conservatives— do generally, i would say. conservatives-good conservatives run very good oooowntt — conservatives run very good councils. -have- conservatives run very good councils. -have a- conservatives run very good councils. have a very good councils. they have a very good neoono— councils. they have a very good record on levels— councils. they have a very good record on levels of— councils. they have a very good record on levels of council tax ono— record on levels of council tax on oenttoeo— record on levels of council tax and services, but— record on levels of council tax and services, but people are tnwotnoteo. — and services, but people are frustrated. we've— and services, but people are frustrated. we've gone through nett— frustrated. we've gone through new ono— frustrated. we've gone through new one ntgn— frustrated. we've gone through hell and high water during covid and hell and high water during covid ono otwtowotw— hell and high water during covid and obviously the _ hell and high water during covid and obviously the effects on the eooow— and obviously the effects on the eooow ono— and obviously the effects on the economy and business and all of tneoe— economy and business and all of tneoe tntngo. — economy and business and all of these things. and— economy and business and all of these things. and so it's been an these things. and so it's been on extnenetw— these things. and so it's been an extremely expensive and so tn— an extremely expensive and so tn not— an extremely expensive and so i'm not surprised— an extremely expensive and so i'm not surprised and it's up to us i'm not surprised and it's up to no oo tne— i'm not surprised and it's up to us now as the conservative gowennnent— us now as the conservative government we're still in power till government we're still in power tttt wow— government we're still in power tttt you know— government we're still in power till you know another 18 months or

till you know another 18 months on ant— till you know another 18 months or so. and what— till you know another 18 months or so. and what i'd— till you know another 18 months or so. and what i'd like to see tnon — or so. and what i'd like to see now from our prime minister and our now from our prime minister and ononoetton,— now from our prime minister and our chancellor, i'd _ now from our prime minister and our chancellor, i'd like to see oongonotton— our chancellor, i'd like to see corporation tax— our chancellor, i'd like to see corporation tax coming down, wnton— corporation tax coming down, wnton twe— corporation tax coming down, which i've said— corporation tax coming down, which i've said before , are which i've said before, are ntoote— which i've said before, are middle income— which i've said before, are middle income earners need to be paying— middle income earners need to be paying teoo— middle income earners need to be paying teee tox- — middle income earners need to be paying teee tox- so— middle income earners need to be paying less tax. so there are a nwnnent— paying less tax. so there are a nwnnent ot— paying less tax. so there are a number of things— paying less tax. so there are a number of things we need to ston— number of things we need to eton tnwtng— number of things we need to eton tnwtng to— number of things we need to start trying to move towards because, well, _ start trying to move towards because, well, he's not going to do because, well, he's not going to to onwtntng— because, well, he's not going to to onwtntng ot— because, well, he's not going to do anything of not— because, well, he's not going to do anything of not happening. it's do anything of not happening. to not— do anything of not happening. to not gotng— do anything of not happening. it's not going to— do anything of not happening. e git g " it may it's not going to happen. it may not happen immediately,- e git g " it may not happen immediately, but e gt:t g :�* it may not happen immediately, but we need— not happen immediately, but we need-otte— not happen immediately, but we neet-otte to— not happen immediately, but we need able to indicate that need to be able to indicate that tnto— need to be able to indicate that tnto to— need to be able to indicate that this is actually— need to be able to indicate that this is actually what we're going— this is actually what we're gotng to— this is actually what we're gotng to te— this is actually what we're going to be able to do, notwithstanding going to be able to do,- notwithstanding-costs the notwithstanding covid costs the oowntnw— notwithstanding covid costs the oowntnw eooo— notwithstanding covid costs the country £400 billion. well, tnew-we— country £400 billion. well, tnew-we toot— country £400 billion. well, they've just put— country £400 billion. well, they've just put this huge tax up, they've just put this huge tax on: so— they've just put this huge tax on so tnew-ne— they've just put this huge tax up, so they're going the oppoette— up, so they're going thei opposite _this up, so they're going the. opposite _this is up, so they're going the- opposite _this is one opposite direction. this is one of problems that a lot of of the problems that a lot of people in corporation tax rising. in well, so rising. in fact. well, yes. so wnot— rising. in fact. well, yes. so what do you make to this general election early on? i don't normally-with- election early on? i don't normally-with ed. election early on? i don't- normally _with ed davey, normally agree with ed davey, but normally agree with ed davey, twt ton— normally agree with ed davey, tot ton onoe— normally agree with ed davey, but for once i— normally agree with ed davey, but for once i do.— normally agree with ed davey, but for once i do. yes, it's tne— but for once i do. yes, it's ttne to— but for once i do. yes, it's ttne to not— but for once i do. yes, it's time to put the- but for once i do. yes, it's time to put the government time to put the tory government out-ntoenw— time to put the tory government out-misery. arnie- out of its misery. arnie the tow— out of its misery. arnie the tow-ont— out of its misery. arnie the tow-out ot- out of its misery. arnie the. tory-out of-misery tory party out of their misery ont— tory party out of their misery ont tne— tory party out of their misery and the country— tory party out of their misery and the country out of their ntoenw — and the country out of their ntoenw a— and the country out of their misery. a general election now wowtt— misery. a general election now wowtt tow— misery. a general election now would tidy stuff— misery. a general election now would tidy stuff and would misery. a general election now wouldjacqui :uff and would misery. a general election now wouldjacqui and and would misery. a general election now wouldjacqui and hernd would misery. a general election now wouldjacqui and her colleagues allow jacqui and her colleagues teoent— decent people, decent politicians, _ decent people, decent politicians, time decent people, decent politicians,-time have decent people, decent policonversationime have decent people, decent policonversation on have decent people, decent policonversation on the have the conversation on the backbench_

the conversation on the backbench opposition, they backbench in opposition, they need— backbench in opposition, they need to— backbench in opposition, they need to son— backbench in opposition, they need to sort themselves out. tnene— need to sort themselves out. tnene-tow— need to sort themselves out. tnene-tow o- need to sort themselves out. there _tax, a high,l need to sort themselves out. there tax, a high, high there are high tax, a high, high tax there are high tax, a high, high tow—nonent- there are high tax, a high, high. tax—moment because tax party at the moment because tnot-o—totng- tax party at the moment because tnot-o—ootng tn- that's what they're doing in goeent — that's what they're doing in government. _tol that's what they're doing in. government.-to be government. they want to be a tow— government. they want to be a tow tow— government. they want to be a tow tow tow— government. they want to be a low tax, low tax— government. they want to be a low tax, low tax party. they ton-t— low tax, low tax party. they ton-t know— low tax, low tax party. they don't know how— low tax, low tax party. they don't know how to square the otnote— don't know how to square the otnote neeto— don't know how to square the circle needs to— don't know how to square the circle needs to some time circle needs to take some time out.— circle needs to take some time out-ttne— circle needs to take some time out-ttne no- circle needs to take some time out.-time now to- circle needs to take some time out. time now to to out. there's time now to go to tne— out. there's time now to go to the backbench,— out. there's time now to go to the backbench, .to - out. there's time now to go to the backbench, to opposition, the backbench, go to opposition, tote— the backbench, go to opposition, tote-tne— the backbench, go to opposition, take _the quicker- take time out. the quicker we note— take time out. the quicker we note o— take time out. the quicker we have a general— take time out. the quicker we have a general election, then tne—weweno- have a general election, then the _viewers willj the happier your viewers will be, the happier your viewers will bet—bet- be, the happier i'll be, the noggten— be, the happier i'll be, the happier, happier will be. happier, happier jackie will be. neoooe— happier, happier jackie will be. because-basing- happier, happier jackie will be. because-basing that. because are you basing that on the assumption that the tories will out so have you will get kicked out so have you had another election had another general election tomorrow? and they got re—elected? make re—elected? what would that make you happy? it would be look, i wowtt— you happy? it would be look, i wowtt te— you happy? it would be look, i would be incredibly— , it would be look, i would be incredibly surprised if we-genenot— would be incredibly surprised if we general election we held the general election tomorrow thursday we held the general election tomorrow-thursday days tomorrow or thursday in two days ttne. — tomorrow or thursday in two days ttne. inett— tomorrow or thursday in two days ttne-newt one— tomorrow or thursday in two days time.-held one and- tomorrow or thursday in two days time. held one and didn't time. we held one and we didn't see time. we held one and we didn't tottow— time. we held one and we didn't see labour party's— time. we held one and we didn't see labour party's 16, 17 see labour party's 15, 16, 17 nont— see labour party's 15, 16, 17 notnt-tn— see labour party's 15, 16, 17 notnt-tn tne- see labour party's 15, 16, 17 point in the polls evident point lead in the polls evident in point lead in the polls evident tn-oeoto— point lead in the polls evident tn-oeoto o— point lead in the polls evident in seats a landslide is in the seats a landslide is oontng— in the seats a landslide is oontng ono— in the seats a landslide is coming and you can't run from tne— coming and you can't run from tne ote — coming and you can't run from the voters. the— coming and you can't run from the voters. the voters get angry if the voters. the voters get angry tt wow— the voters. the voters get angry tt wow nn— the voters. the voters get angry tt woo owow— the voters. the voters get angry if you run away from them , if if you run away from them, if you— if you run away from them, if you noon— if you run away from them, if you goon tt— if you run away from them, if you goon tt ott— if you run away from them, if you push it off for too long. not— you push it off for too long. but no— you push it off for too long. but no one's_ you push it off for too long. but no one's running anywhere. thew-ne— but no one's running anywhere. tnew-ne toot— but no one's running anywhere. they're just sticking— but no one's running anywhere. they're just sticking to- but no one's running anywhere. they're just sticking to the- they're just sticking to the original the original plan original plan. the original plan was next year. they're not running. they're just sticking to point is, to the plan. what the point is, if say. yeah, you know,

if i may say. yeah, you know, you— if i may say. yeah, you know, you oe— if i may say. yeah, you know, you tn— if i may say. yeah, you know, you are in opposition- �*" yeah, you know, you are in opposition and most oeonte— you are in opposition and most oeogte-nowen-t— you are in opposition and most people-haven't a- you are in opposition and most people haven't a clue on people are haven't a clue on wnot—to- people are haven't a clue oni wnot—to gotng people are haven't a clue on. wnot—to gotng to what your manifesto is going to be. what your manifesto is going to toe-wnen— what your manifesto is going to te.-wnen we— what your manifesto is going to be.-when we hear- what your manifesto is going to be. when we hear about what be. and when we hear about what wow-ne— be. and when we hear about what woo-ne gotng— be. and when we hear about what woo-ne gotng to— be. and when we hear about what woo-ne gotng to to— be. and when we hear about what you're going to do with the non—otn — you're going to do with the non—dom they're you're going to do with the- non—dom _they're going non—dom tax, what they're going to-o— non—dom tax, what they're going to-o wtnotott— non—dom tax, what they're going to-a windfall tax,- non—dom tax, what they're going to a windfall tax, more to do with a windfall tax, more wtnttott—on- to do with a windfall tax, morei windfall—on energy, windfall taxes on on on energy, as windfall taxes on on on energy, ooto—— windfall taxes on on on energy, ooto— tne- windfall taxes on on on energy, ooto— tne wow- windfall taxes on on on energy,j as_is the you know windfall taxes on on on energy,i as_is the you know , as though that is the you know, tnot-o— as though that is the you know, tnot-o-te— as though that is the you know, that's-be able- as though that is the you know, that's-be able to- as though that is the you know, that's be able to solve that's going to be able to solve all that's going to be able to solve ottltneoe— that's going to be able to solve all-these-which- that's going to be able to solve all these which it's all of these issues, which it's not. — all of these issues, which it's not. ant— all of these issues, which it's not. and frankly,— all of these issues, which it's not. and frankly, what they have ont— not. and frankly, what they have come out with— not. and frankly, what they have come out with the— not. and frankly, what they have come out with the frontbench of the come out with the frontbench of tne totown— come out with the frontbench of the labour party— come out with the frontbench of the labour party in of the labour party in terms of tottow— the labour party in terms of gottow nototw— the labour party in terms of policy nobody knows exactly wnot. — policy nobody knows exactly wnot. t-tt— policy nobody knows exactly what. i'll tell— policy nobody knows exactly what. i'll tell you- policy nobody knows exactly what. ct ct what. i'll tell you what, i'll tell you what's funny, though. it's funny you mentioned the windfall tax. labour announced it policy. jeremy hunt it as a policy. jeremy hunt steals sunak steals steals it and rishi sunak steals it. policy of it. labour announced a policy of wes streeting announced the policy pharmacists or policy of pharmacists or patients to patients going direct to pharmacists, going patients going direct to pharntoists, going patients going direct to pharnto physiotherapyioing patients going direct to pharnto physiotherapy .ing patients going direct to pharnto physiotherapy . so let direct to physiotherapy. so let me clear the tories have me be clear the tories have grabbed basically at the grabbed it. so basically at the moment tory are both grabbed it. so basically at the momerlabourory are both grabbed it. so basically at the momerlabourory got are both grabbed it. so basically at the momerlabourory got noe both saying labour has got no policies going. that's a policies nortje going. that's a nice policy. so are you suggesting that the that suggesting that the reason that there's of detail tory there's not a lot of detail tory coalition that coalition are you saying that there's a lot of detail on there's not a lot of detail on what labour would perhaps do? because labour are really wonnteo— because labour are really worried that— because labour are really worried that the tories are going— worried that the tories are. going-absolutely. worried that the tories are going . absolutely.

worried that the tories are going . tely. worried that the tories are going . keir worried that the tories are goingtttt.” keir starmer steal our homework. keir starmer was steal our homework. keir starmer woo-tottow— steal our homework. keir starmer woo-tooow t— steal our homework. keir starmer was-today, i think- steal our homework. keir starmer was-today, i think it- steal our homework. keir starmer was-today, i think it was. was asked today, i think it was otowt— was asked today, i think it was otowt see— was asked today, i think it was about seven times— was asked today, i think it was about seven times or so there or tneneotowts— about seven times or so there or thereabouts whether not he thereabouts whether or not he wowtt— thereabouts whether or not he wowtt-ttnt— thereabouts whether or not he would-kindldeall thereabouts whether or not he. would-kindldeal with would do some kind of deal with the would do some kind of deal with tne ttn— would do some kind of deal with tne ttt dens— would do some kind of deal with the lib dems and— would do some kind of deal with the lib dems and he just wowttn-t— the lib dems and he just wouldn't-for- the lib dems and he just- wouldn't-for-simple wouldn't answer for the simple gnestton— wouldn't answer for the simple goesttonto— wouldn't answer for the simple question, to honest, i will question, to be honest, i will newen-to— question, to be honest, i will never-to-deal- question, to be honest, i will never to deal with question, to be honest, i will- never-to-deal with the question, to be honest, i will nevdems. to deal with the question, to be honest, i will nev dems. �*tw�*tt; deal with the question, to be honest, i will nev dems. �*tw�*tt; i :�* deal with the question, to be honest, i will nevdems. �*tw�*tt; tit?“ ”tal with the question, to be honest, i will nev dems. �*tw�*tt; i :�* �*" t:t.itt;:h the question, to be honest, i will nev dems. tit?" �*" “c112; e lib dems. we can if there was a minority government, which i think is unlikely, i think there'll be a majority. but if there's a minority minority labour government, the liberals there's a minority minority labotgot)vernment, the liberals there's a minority minority labotgot no inment, the liberals there's a minority minority labotgot no bargaining liberals there's a minority minority labotgot no bargaining power. .s have got no bargaining power. the never the liberal democrats are never going the tory going to vote with the tory party they won't vote party and if they won't vote with they can't with the tory party, they can't threaten labour party. a threaten the labour party. a minority labour party government. so if i been government. and so if i been here snp , the lib here i'd said the snp, the lib dems, greens, whoever it is, dems, the greens, whoever it is, no deals, won't do a deal with the tories, we won't do a deal with the lib downs, no deal deal with the lib downs, no deal deal. we will govern in the interests country interests of the country and people us in people can vote for us in parliament. they can vote for our queen's speech or vote against it, but vote against it, but just vote against it, but just vote against you're against our queen. you're backing tories. labour have backing the tories. labour have never won an election- never won an election without soottont— never won an election without scotland and _ never won an election without scotland and to— never won an election without scotland and to be fair, i mean non— scotland and to be fair, i mean non-wnen— scotland and to be fair, i mean tnon-wnen wow— scotland and to be fair, i mean from when you were in from from when you were in powe— from from when you were in gowen wnen— from from when you were in power, when they have been in gotten— power, when they have been ini gowen—tnot

power, which has not been that nonw— power, which has not been that nonw ttnes. — power, which has not been that many times. actually. no, no, we ton-t— many times. actually. no, no, we ton-t-otten. — many times. actually. no, no, we ton-t-otten. t- many times. actually. no, no, we don't-often. i agree. don't win very often. i agree wttn— don't win very often. i agree wttt-t— don't win very often. i agree wttt-t ognee- don't win very often. i agree with-i agree with- don't win very often. tttgittnt; i agree with that. with that. i agree with that. tot-we — with that. i agree with that. tot-we not— with that. i agree with that. you've had to— i agree with that. you've had to actually, we need to note— you've had to actually, we need to note se— you've had to actually, we need to make sure that— you've had to actually, we need to make sure that we getting getttng— to make sure that we getting getttng-tn- to make sure that we getting getting in scotland, of getting the mps in scotland, of course, a very different course, there's a very different ttttenent—wo. - course, there's a very different different _ no. so i different picture now. no. so tnot-s— different picture now. no. so tnot-s-to— different picture now. no. so that's to interesting. that's going to be interesting. so that's going to be interesting.| sonnone— so you're going to be far more nettont— so you're going to be far more reliant-clearly— so you're going to be far more reliant-clearly on- so you're going to be far more reliant clearly on on on reliant now clearly on on on tngtono— reliant now clearly on on on tngtont ont— reliant now clearly on on on england and on— reliant now clearly on on on england and on on wales. i know it's england and on on wales. i know tt-s gotng— england and on on wales. i know tt-s gotng to— england and on on wales. i know tt-s gotng to te— england and on on wales. i know it's going to be fascinating. it it's going to be fascinating. tt ts— it's going to be fascinating. tt to toe. — it's going to be fascinating. it is true. it's— it's going to be fascinating. it is true. it's also- it's going to be fascinating. it is true. it's also true- it's going to be fascinating. it is true. it's also true that in the time you've been an in the time that you've been an active that you've active politician that you've contested in newham, didn't you? i london has turned i did. london. london has turned much labour. london is now much more labour. london is now so solid for labour that we're likely to even pick up more seats. it's become a labour city and it used to a contestable and it used to be a contestable city. used to be in 92. there city. it used to be in 92. there were lot of a lot of tory were a lot of a lot of tory seats. well, hang on, you know, it seats. well, hang on, you know, tt wos— seats. well, hang on, you know, tt gost—won— well, hang on, you know, it was post—war herbert wonnson— it was post—war herbert morrison, peter mandelson's netottwe— morrison, peter mandelson's relative grandfather said relative grandfather would said he relative grandfather would said ne—tne— relative grandfather would said he_the tories- relative grandfather would said he _the tories out. relative grandfather would saidi he _the tories out of he would build the tories out of tonton— he would build the tories out of tonton. ano— he would build the tories out of london. and that— he would build the tories out of london. and that is why even in the london. and that is why even in tne nost— london. and that is why even in the most expensive— london. and that is why even in the most expensive parts, so—ootteo— the most expensive parts, so—called of— the most expensive parts, so—called of london, they were ttttttng— so—called of london, they were building council— so—called of london, they were building council houses. we got wont— building council houses. we got wontt won— building council houses. we got wontt won tt— building council houses. we got world war ii. no,— building council houses. we got world war ii. no, no. and so all tnose— world war ii. no, no. and so all tnose goot— world war ii. no, no. and so all tnose goot ott— world war ii. no, no. and so all those good old london's always teen— those good old london's always teen gnettw— those good old london's always been pretty difficult . i think been pretty difficult. i think tne— been pretty difficult. i think over the last— been pretty difficult. i think

over the last probably over the tost— over the last probably over the tostlweons. — over the last probably over the last-years. .now- over the last probably over the last-years. .now with. over the last probably over the last years. �*0 last 50 years. but now with 10 million population in is million population in london is such such part of the such a such a large part of the uk, it used not to be. london's population was declining, britain's population rising. britain's population was rising. but london back and the but but london is back and the greater southeast and greater southeast is back. and that at kent labour has a that look at kent labour has a majority of councils in kent and that cannot be a good news for the tory party. well, it's not good— the tory party. well, it's not good — the tory party. well, it's not good news. it's— the tory party. well, it's not good news. it's not- the tory party. well, it's not good news. it's not good news for the council. meadows but wnot— for the council. meadows but wnot oo— for the council. meadows but wnot to wow— for the council. meadows but what do you think— for the council. meadows but what do you think to- i t meadows but what do you think to the ontttotsn— what do you think to the criticism, though, that the tones— criticism, though, that the tories have _ criticism, though, that the tories have essentially ran out of tories have essentially ran out ot seonnt— tories have essentially ran out of steam, they've— tories have essentially ran out of steam, they've run out of toeos— of steam, they've run out of tteos twe— of steam, they've run out of ideas like all— of steam, they've run out of ideas like all the— of steam, they've run out of ideas like all the things that wot-we— ideas like all the things that you've mentioned then that ideas like all the things that you'would mentioned then that ideas like all the things that you'would like �*itioned then that ideas like all the things that you'would like to>ned then that ideas like all the things that you'would like to see, then that ideas like all the things that you'would like to see, it'si that ideas like all the things that you'would like to see, it's not at you would like to see, it's not going— you would like to see, it's not going-happen _ you would like to see, it's not going-happen in- you would like to see, it's not going happen. :�* i going to happen. in fact, ootwottt— going to happen. in fact, actually went the opposite actually it went the opposite way, didn't it, in the last budget. people will way, didn't it, in the last budgethis. people will way, didn't it, in the last budgethis. they people will way, didn't it, in the last budgethis. they might.e will way, didn't it, in the last budgethis. they might be /ill watch this. they might be traditional tory voters or whatever they be whatever and they will be shaking and they'll want to shake the government and say, what you doing? you're not what are you doing? you're not acting tory government. acting like a tory government. you're different you're going the different direction. you're alienating your vertebrates. well, direction. you're alienating your vertebrates . well, i your core vertebrates. well, i actually your core vertebrates. well, i oottottw ognee— your core vertebrates. well, i actually agree .— your core vertebrates. well, i actually agree . i— your core vertebrates. well, i actually agree . i mean,- i i ”ti; well, i actually agree . i mean, i think actually agree. i mean, i think ttsnt— actually agree. i mean, i think ttsnt stnoe— actually agree. i mean, i think rishi, since he's— actually agree. i mean, i think rishi, since he's been prime tttntsten— rishi, since he's been prime minister, he's— rishi, since he's been prime minister, he's done a good job

of minister, he's done a good job ot son— minister, he's done a good job ot sont ot— minister, he's done a good job of sort of stabilising the stttotton— of sort of stabilising the situation because obviously we tn o ttt— situation because obviously we were in a bit of— situation because obviously we were in a bit of a— situation because obviously we were in a bit of a turmoil last weon— were in a bit of a turmoil last weon. wos— were in a bit of a turmoil last weon. wos not— were in a bit of a turmoil last year. was not my— were in a bit of a turmoil last year. was not my favourite time of year. was not my favourite time ot weon. — year. was not my favourite time ot weon. t— year. was not my favourite time on weon. t note— year. was not my favourite time of year. i have to— year. was not my favourite time of year. i have to say. house set— of year. i have to say. house was set on fire,— of year. i have to say. house was set on fire, but not, not notwithstanding— was set on fire, but not, not notwithstanding that and we knew we tteent tn— notwithstanding that and we knew we tteent tn o— notwithstanding that and we knew we weren't in a position to be otte— we weren't in a position to be otte to— we weren't in a position to be otte to out— we weren't in a position to be able to cut taxes.— we weren't in a position to be able to cut taxes. et cetera. tnnettotetw. — able to cut taxes. et cetera. immediately. but what you've otso— immediately. but what you've otso got— immediately. but what you've otso got to— immediately. but what you've also got to have— immediately. but what you've also got to have when you're the gowenntng— also got to have when you're the gowenntng gong— also got to have when you're the governing party and it is, you know,— governing party and it is, you know, weons— governing party and it is, you know, years and— governing party and it is, you know, years and we have been in gowen— know, years and we have been in gowen ts— know, years and we have been in gowen ts tnot— know, years and we have been in power now is that you've got to note — power now is that you've got to note o— power now is that you've got to note o wtston— power now is that you've got to have a vision and— power now is that you've got to have a vision and you've got to be have a vision and you've got to te otte— have a vision and you've got to te otte to— have a vision and you've got to be able to stick— have a vision and you've got to be able to stick to— have a vision and you've got to be able to stick to your core gntnotgtes— be able to stick to your core principles and— be able to stick to your core principles and your core gottotes. — principles and your core policies. labour those. principles and your core- policies. labour-those. we policies. labour have those. we note— policies. labour have those. we note-we— policies. labour have those. we note-we know— policies. labour have those. we have we know which which have ours. we know which which sttteots. — subjects. for example, the tottow— subjects. for example, the labour-will- subjects. for example, the labour will generally lead labour party will generally lead on ont— labour party will generally lead on ont tnew— labour party will generally lead on and they will— labour party will generally lead on and they will generally have an on and they will generally have on toeo— on and they will generally have on tteo ot— on and they will generally have an idea of what— on and they will generally have an idea of what we will lead on. tnts— an idea of what we will lead on. tnts ts— an idea of what we will lead on. tnts ts tne— an idea of what we will lead on. tnts ts tne wow— an idea of what we will lead on. this is the way it— an idea of what we will lead on. this is the way it works. but no ttnes— this is the way it works. but no ttnes note— this is the way it works. but no times have been— this is the way it works. but no times have been hard and there tsn-t— times have been hard and there tsn-t on— times have been hard and there tsn-t on eosw— times have been hard and there isn't an easy solution. but we note— isn't an easy solution. but we note to— isn't an easy solution. but we note to toot— isn't an easy solution. but we have to look as— isn't an easy solution. but we have to look as though and show tnot— have to look as though and show tnot wnot— have to look as though and show tnot wnot we— have to look as though and show that what we are— have to look as though and show that what we are talking about, wnetnen— that what we are talking about, wnetnen tt-s— that what we are talking about, whether it's the— that what we are talking about, whether it's the emphasis on net not know— whether it's the emphasis on net not know .— whether it's the emphasis on net zero, you know , it's— whether it's the emphasis on net zero, you know , it's fine having zero, you know, it's fine having net— zero, you know, it's fine having net tt-s— zero, you know, it's fine having net zero, it's fine— zero, you know, it's fine having net zero, it's fine having tettes— net zero, it's fine having tettes on— net zero, it's fine having levies on everything , but people levies on everything, but people note— levies on everything, but people note to— levies on everything, but people note to te— levies on everything, but people have to be able— levies on everything, but people have to be able to— levies on everything, but people have to be able to afford them. tot-we— have to be able to afford them. tot-we got— have to be able to afford them. tot-we got to— have to be able to afford them. you've got to be— have to be able to afford them. you've got to be able to put

tonwont— you've got to be able to put tonwont o— you've got to be able to put forward a good— you've got to be able to put forward a good argument why you need— forward a good argument why you need to— forward a good argument why you need to to— forward a good argument why you need to do things— forward a good argument why you need to do things because tootte-s— need to do things because jackie's right,— need to do things because jackie's right, cost of jackie's right, the cost of ttwtng— jackie's right, the cost of ttwtng ont— jackie's right, the cost of living and all— jackie's right, the cost of living and all the impacts that it living and all the impacts that tt nos— living and all the impacts that tt nos on— living and all the impacts that tt nos on tne— living and all the impacts that it has on the day— living and all the impacts that it has on the day to day vote ont— it has on the day to day vote ont not— it has on the day to day vote ont not tne— it has on the day to day vote and not the people that live in tsttngton— and not the people that live in tsttngton-ot- and not the people that live in islington of london and not the people that live in islingttyou of london and not the people that live in islingttyou know, of london and not the people that live in islingttyou know, they'reidon and not the people that live in islingttyou know, they're earning where, you know, they're earning went— where, you know, they're earning went wett — where, you know, they're earning went wett not— where, you know, they're earning very well. but the _ where, you know, they're earning very well. but the rest of the ootntnn— very well. but the rest of the country, yorkshire, lancashire, i think you know what i'm saving?— i think you know what i'm sowtnge t— i think you know what i'm saying? i think.- i think you know what i'm saying? i think. i think i think i think jackie's right that there's a confusion for the voters. party voters. the tory party are normally party holding normally the party of holding down cutting down public spending and cutting taxes, they're now taxes, and yet they're now a high spending, high tax government they're and government. they're a tax and spend government and that's in contradiction brand. it's contradiction to the brand. it's contradiction to the brand. it's contradiction actually contradiction to really actually what tory voters want contradiction tory mps contradiction to what tory mps want. let's trust to want. well, let's trust to revise kind of division revise the kind of division i give a division inside the party which the tory for which makes the tory party for however is made , it however calm. rishi is made, it is quite angry and is still quite angry and disunited . and about this issue disunited. and about this issue of are we tories because if we're tories we should be a different kind of government. and i think disunity. i've been in a disunited party here in australia, a disunited party gets defeated in elections. the voters don't . the voters want

voters don't. the voters want parties to have their fights in private. that's why they send the whole corbyn staff. i mean, you've still got :�* i mean, you've still got momentum all tne— you've still got momentum all over the place.— you've still got momentum all over the place. you've still got a over the place. you've still got o no— over the place. you've still got a real faction— over the place. you've still got a real faction in— over the place. you've still got a real faction in there of oontwnttes— a real faction in there of corbynites .— a real faction in there of corbynites . so- a real faction in there of corbynites . so i think here corbynites. so i think here got— corbynites. so i think here we've got he's— corbynites. so i think here we've got he's got his work cut out.— we've got he's got his work cut out. t— we've got he's got his work cut out. t to— we've got he's got his work cut out. t to tost— we've got he's got his work cut out. i do just think— we've got he's got his work cut out. i do just think that these tost— out. i do just think that these tost tew— out. i do just think that these last few years— out. i do just think that these last few years nobody has come out ot— last few years nobody has come out ot tnts— last few years nobody has come out of this with— last few years nobody has come out of this with any glory . 't: out of this with any glory. and i out of this with any glory. and t wottt— out of this with any glory. and t wottt tost— out of this with any glory. and i would just say— out of this with any glory. and i would just say as— out of this with any glory. and i would just say as well about the labour party when i look at the labour party when i look at the state of this country at the moment, and i was actually talking this, i was up in talking about this, i was up in hull, home hometown , over the hull, my home hometown, over the bank holiday, and don't bank holiday, and i don't remember society being so divided . so many people are divided. so many people are nasty to other people that they disagree with. so many people struggling and all the rest are. and i blame a lot of this on the response to the covid pandemic. and no , no party has come out of and no, no party has come out of this with glory. tory party obviously in power, creating some of the guidelines and all the rest of it. but you guys, you would have had us locked

down for longer, probably harder. when people talk about . harder. when people talk about. no, but you think you say that with a smile on your face. as so it's funny, i think what lockdowns have done this lockdowns have done to this country, destroyed country, they have destroyed droid, lives of so many droid, the lives of so many people to the point that they will recover businesses will not recover businesses gone. think let me finish gone. i think let me finish people's mental health gone and the finances of this economy . i the finances of this economy. i mean, the country is in a mess. children's mental health, people's drinking problems . people's drinking problems. there are so many issues. inflation i mean, i could go on, but i finish at seven and i blame the heart of that. so much of that on the covid pandemic response. and you will smile when you say, yeah, we'd still be locked down. to me, it's not a laughing matter. it's appalling. and i think that those parties be held to those parties need to be held to account the time comes account when the next time comes for get out there and vote for us to get out there and vote properly. speak out. michelle some— properly. speak out. michelle sone ot— properly. speak out. michelle some of.spoke_ properly. speak out. michelle some of.spoke-as- ”tat speak out. michelle some of spoke as you some of us spoke out, as you know.— some of us spoke out, as you know-tne— some of us spoke out, as you know.-the issue- some of us spoke out, as you know.-the issue the. some of us spoke out, as you. know.-the issue the issue know. i do. the issue the issue at the heart of the problem that the government have is that rishi sunak, by spending all that furlough, by that money for furlough, by supporting businesses to the extent he actually

extent that he did, he actually spent so much of the money and he didn't doesn't even looking back on it. i agree he should have done that. i think he feels conflicted about spending so much taxpayers money on furlough , much taxpayers money on , so much taxpayers money on on on and on supporting businesses. and i think feel conflicted think when you feel conflicted as minister, it's very as a prime minister, it's very hard to be. it's not hard for you to be. it's not it's not just all about money. look at the state, the actual stote— look at the state, the actual stote ot— look at the state, the actual stote ot tne— look at the state, the actual state of the nhs— look at the state, the actual state of the nhs that you just sat state of the nhs that you just sot tnene — state of the nhs that you just sat there then— state of the nhs that you just sat there then and gone. oh yeah-— sat there then and gone. oh neon-gottot— sat there then and gone. oh yeah. policy about yeah. our policy about pharmacies— pharmacies tories have nicked tnot— pharmacies tories have nicked tnot-ts — pharmacies tories have nicked that-us. .shouldn'tl that from us. they shouldn't need— that from us. they shouldn't need-o— that from us. they shouldn't neet-o gottot- that from us. they shouldn't need a policy. they've got need to be a policy. they've got too — need to be a policy. they've got random pharmacists to random pharmacists having to ttsgense— random pharmacists having toi otsgense—geogte dispense drugs because people oonnot—tene- dispense drugs because people cannot—here to- dispense drugs because people cannot here to see cannot even get in here to see a gp cannot even get in here to see a on ont— cannot even get in here to see a on ont not— cannot even get in here to see a on ont not o— cannot even get in here to see a gp and not a chance to get in to tne— gp and not a chance to get in to see the consultant— gp and not a chance to get in to see the consultant that they neet. — see the consultant that they neet. t— see the consultant that they neet. t tost— see the consultant that they need. i just think the whole tntng— need. i just think the whole tntng wos— need. i just think the whole thing was disgraceful. all it toesn-t— doesn't get talked about enough, it doesn't get talked about enough, tt—ont- doesn't get talked about enough, tt—ono tt- it gets glossed over and it now— it gets glossed over and it really infuriates, definitely traumatised. _ really infuriates, definitely traumatised. tittt. yeah, traumatised. the country. yeah, it traumatised. the country. yeah, tt—not— traumatised. the country. yeah, it not lasting. in it did. anyway, not lasting. in fact, i could carry— it did. anyway, not lasting. in fact, i could carry on- it did. ' g in fact, i could carry on that nont. — fact, i could carry on that nont. .wot— fact, i could carry on that rant.-you know- fact, i could carry on that rant. you know what? fact, i could carry on that- rant.-you know what? because rant. but you know what? because wot-ne— rant. but you know what? because wot-ne-snotttng- rant. but you know what? because you're-shouting at- rant. but you know what? because you're shouting at your you're probably shouting at your screens-so i won't.- screens at home, so i won't. ttt— screens at home, so i won't. ttt tote— screens at home, so i won't. i'll takelquick_ screens at home, so i won't. i'll take quick when i'll take a quick break. when i toon— i'll take a quick break. when i come back, i'll— i'll take a quick break. when i come back, i'll have some of town— come back, i'll have some of toon esgoses— come back, i'll have some of your responses top topic your responses to that top topic ttene— your responses to that top topic tnenelt— your responses to that top topic tnenelt otso— your responses to that top topic there.-i also _talk. there. but i also want to talk to wow— there. but i also want to talk

to wot-wett— there. but i also want to talk to you-well about- there. but i also want to talk to you well about did you see to you as well about did you see the to you as well about did you see tne onnesst— to you as well about did you see the arrests over— to you as well about did you see the arrests over the— to you as well about did you see the arrests over the weekend at the arrests over the weekend at tne—gtt— the arrests over the weekend ati tne—gtt-stggon the coronation? did you support tnene— the coronation? did you support tnene ano— the coronation? did you support them? and the— the coronation? did you support them? and the handling them? and the police's handling of them? and the police's handling ot tne— them? and the police's handling of the matter?— them? and the police's handling of the matter? they've come out toton— of the matter? they've come out todavt-police_ of the matter? they've come out today,-police and _ of the matter? they've come out today, police and basically today, the police and basically ogotogtseot— apologised. do you think they

listening to gb news radio. hello there. i'm michelle newtennt— hello there. i'm michelle dewberry keeping- sttitt; i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company tnttt— dewberry keeping you company tnttt woo— dewberry keeping you company until 7:00 tonight. baroness toogtettne— until 7:00 tonight. baroness jacqueline foster, conservative geen— jacqueline foster, conservative geen tn— jacqueline foster, conservative geen tn tne — jacqueline foster, conservative peer in the house— jacqueline foster, conservative peer in the house of lords, teegs— peer in the house of lords, teegs ne— peer in the house of lords, keeps me company as judge john ttotennon— keeps me company as judge john ttotennon o— keeps me company as judge john mcternan, a former— keeps me company as judge john mcternan, a former adviser to tont— mcternan, a former adviser to tonw gig..— mcternan, a former adviser to tonw ntotn tn— mcternan, a former adviser to tony blair. i'm only laughing tnene— tony blair. i'm only laughing there because— tony blair. i'm only laughing there because-a- tony blair. i'm only laughing there because a heroic there because that was a heroic stneton— there because that was a heroic stneton tnene— there because that was a heroic stretch there from _ there because that was a heroic stretch there from jacqueline. tn — stretch there from jacqueline. tn gteoset— stretch there from jacqueline. i'm pleased that— stretch there from jacqueline. i'm pleased that you were remain seotet— i'm pleased that you were remain seated throughout. _ i'm pleased that you were remain seated throughout. that's very goot. — seated throughout. that's very goot. tots— seated throughout. that's very gooo. tots ot— seated throughout. that's very good. lots of you— seated throughout. that's very good. lots of you guys getting in good. lots of you guys getting tn toton— good. lots of you guys getting tn toton .— good. lots of you guys getting in touch . just— good. lots of you guys getting in touch . just about that last in touch. just about that last conversation— in touch. just about that last conversation in— in touch. just about that last conversation in a— in touch. just about that last conversation in a lot of you oottottw— conversation in a lot of you oottottw oe— conversation in a lot of you actually are agreeing with me, wnton— actually are agreeing with me, wnton ts— actually are agreeing with me, wnton ts went— actually are agreeing with me, which is very unusual because wnen— which is very unusual because wnen t— which is very unusual because wnen t to— which is very unusual because wnen t to go— which is very unusual because wnen t to go on— which is very unusual because when i do go on my covid rounds, nost— when i do go on my covid rounds, nost ot— when i do go on my covid rounds, nost ot wot— when i do go on my covid rounds, most on too get— when i do go on my covid rounds, most on too get tn— when i do go on my covid rounds, most of you get in touch and ten— most of you get in touch and tett ne— most of you get in touch and tett me to— most of you get in touch and tell me to shut— most of you get in touch and tell me to shut up and move on non— tell me to shut up and move on tnon oovtg. — tell me to shut up and move on from covm. but— tell me to shut up and move on from covid. but actually, some of from covid. but actually, some ot wot— from covid. but actually, some ot wot oe— from covid. but actually, some of you are agreeing with me tontgnt— of you are agreeing with me tontgnt tnot— of you are agreeing with me tonight that the _ of you are agreeing with me tonight that the whole division in tonight that the whole division tn—wot- tonight that the whole division tn—wot tnowl

tonight that the whole divisioni in _you know, lots in society motty, you know, lots of in society motty, you know, lots ot-ogneetng— in society motty, you know, lots of-agreeing with— in society motty, you know, lots of agreeing with me that of you agreeing with me that tnot— of you agreeing with me that tnot toes— of you agreeing with me that that does stem _ of you agreeing with me that that does stem from the covid nestntottons— that does stem from the covidi restrictions _to that does stem from the covidi restri(ands_to that does stem from the covidi restri(ands.the_to that does stem from the covid restri(ands the like. to that does stem from the covid restri(ands the like. i to that does stem from the covid restri(ands the like. i do to that does stem from the covid restri(ands the like. i do i to them and all the like. i do i say— them and all the like. i do i sow tnts— them and all the like. i do i say this often— them and all the like. i do i say this often on— them and all the like. i do i say this often on my programme, but say this often on my programme, ttt t— say this often on my programme, ttt t tntnt— say this often on my programme, but i think that— say this often on my programme, but i think that policy is at tne— but i think that policy is at tne-so— but i think that policy is at tne-so nonw- but i think that policy is at- the-so many problems, the heart of so many problems, totttngs— the heart of so many problems, totttngs-tn— the heart of so many problems, failings,-in our— the heart of so many problems, failings, in our society failings, ills in our society ont— failings, ills in our society ont wtt— failings, ills in our society and will be— failings, ills in our society and will be there for so many weons— and will be there for so many weons to— and will be there for so many weons to ooe— and will be there for so many years to come .— and will be there for so many years to come . and it worries years to come. and it worries so— years to come. and it worries so tt— years to come. and it worries me. so it does,— years to come. and it worries me. so it does, nigel says , me. so it does, nigel says, tttotette— me. so it does, nigel says, michelle, what— me. so it does, nigel says, michelle, what are you talking ototte— michelle, what are you talking about? general— michelle, what are you talking about? general elections. you've tott— about? general elections. you've toto ts— about? general elections. you've toto ts tnot— about? general elections. you've told us that you— about? general elections. you've told us that you don't even vote yes — told us that you don't even vote yes. wtget— told us that you don't even vote yes. wtget eooo— told us that you don't even vote yes. wtget ooot .— told us that you don't even vote yes. nigel good . you've paid yes. nigel good. you've paid ottentton— yes. nigel good. you've paid attention. if— yes. nigel good. you've paid attention. if there was a genenot— attention. if there was a general election tomorrow. no, i wotttn-t— general election tomorrow. no, i wotttn-t tote.— general election tomorrow. no, i wouldn't vote. actually because i'm wouldn't vote. actually because tn so— wouldn't vote. actually because i'm so disillusioned with ewenttoow— i'm so disillusioned with ewenttoow .— i'm so disillusioned with everybody . arnie so no, everybody. arnie so no, i noten-t— everybody. arnie so no, i haven't changed my tune that my gosttton— haven't changed my tune that my gosttton ts— haven't changed my tune that my position is still— haven't changed my tune that my position is still the— haven't changed my tune that my position is still the same. the tost— position is still the same. the tost-twe— position is still the same. the tost-twe non- position is still the same. the last-i've ran for- last two times i've ran for eteotton— last two times i've ran for eteotton .— last two times i've ran for election . that— last two times i've ran for election . that wouldn't be election. that wouldn't be noggentng— election. that wouldn't be happening-the- election. that wouldn't be happening the next one, cyril happening in the next one, cyril sows— happening in the next one, cyril sows tne— happening in the next one, cyril says the success— happening in the next one, cyril says the success labour and says the success of labour and lib says the success of labour and ttt gens— says the success of labour and lib dems basically is the end nesttt— lib dems basically is the end nesttt ot— lib dems basically is the end result of protest— lib dems basically is the end result of protest votes. mike sows— result of protest votes. mike sows tne— result of protest votes. mike says the problem with labour is if says the problem with labour is tt tnew— says the problem with labour is tt tnew get— says the problem with labour is tt tnew get tn— says the problem with labour is if they get in, the— says the problem with labour is if they get in, the taxes will be gotng — if they get in, the taxes will be gotng one— if they get in, the taxes will be going one way only, which is up. be going one way only, which is tg. ts— be going one way only, which is on ts tnot— be going one way only, which is up. is that true?— be going one way only, which is up. is that true? yeah is it twee— up. is that true? yeah is it twee- — up. is that true? yeah is it twee- tt— up. is that true? yeah is it true?. if labour- up. is that true? yeah is it true?. if labour get. up. is that true? yeah is it true? �*" i gt; :�* true? no if labour get in they'll be fair taxes. so what you mean is anyone- ct i so what you mean is anyone that earns

tnon— you mean is anyone that earns more than whatever, they'll be getttng— more than whatever, they'll be getttng totet — more than whatever, they'll be getting taxed to— more than whatever, they'll be getting taxed to the eyeballs . getting taxed to the eyeballs. teon. — getting taxed to the eyeballs. yeah. bernard— getting taxed to the eyeballs. yeah. bernard says labour are tott— yeah. bernard says labour are tttt ot— yeah. bernard says labour are full of hindsight.— yeah. bernard says labour are full of hindsight. is the story of full of hindsight. is the story ot tnetn— full of hindsight. is the story of their life.— full of hindsight. is the story of their life. pauline says we oont— of their life. pauline says we oon-t wott— of their life. pauline says we can't wait for— of their life. pauline says we can't wait for a— of their life. pauline says we can't wait for a general eteotton— can't wait for a general election because we want to vote neonnnt — election because we want to vote neonnnt ant — election because we want to vote reform. and lastly,— election because we want to vote reform. and lastly, mike, onotnen— reform. and lastly, mike, another mike _ reform. and lastly, mike, another mike says, i've been for tont— another mike says, i've been for tont o— another mike says, i've been for tont o went— another mike says, i've been for tont o went tong— another mike says, i've been for tory a very long time, but i did put— tory a very long time, but i did got gnotest— tory a very long time, but i did put protest vote— tory a very long time, but i did put protest vote in— tory a very long time, but i did put protest vote in at the tooots— put protest vote in at the tooots ttwt— put protest vote in at the locals, but when it matters i wttt— locals, but when it matters i wttt te— locals, but when it matters i will be returning— locals, but when it matters i will be returning to the tories at will be returning to the tories ot tne— will be returning to the tories at the general— will be returning to the tories at the general election next ttne. — at the general election next ttne. wow— at the general election next time. now let's— at the general election next time. now let's move on, shall wee— time. now let's move on, shall wee tne— time. now let's move on, shall wee tne wet— time. now let's move on, shall we? the met police have etgnesset— we? the met police have expressed regret over the onnesst— expressed regret over the onnestslstt— expressed regret over the arrests six anti—monarchy arrests of six anti—monarchy gnotestens— arrests of six anti—monarchy protesters before _ arrests of six anti—monarchy protesters before the coronation. - protesters before the coronation. long story short, tnew— coronation. long story short, tnew tnotgnt— coronation. long story short, they thought these guys had a van they thought these guys had a tott— they thought these guys had a tttt ot— they thought these guys had a van full of what— they thought these guys had a van full of what they call like toot— van full of what they call like toot on — van full of what they call like lock on devices.— van full of what they call like lock on devices. basically onnestet— lock on devices. basically arrested them,— lock on devices. basically arrested them, put them in otstotw— arrested them, put them in otstoow .— arrested them, put them in otstoow , got— arrested them, put them in custody , put them on bail, and custody, put them on bail, and note— custody, put them on bail, and note no— custody, put them on bail, and have now decided— custody, put them on bail, and have now decided to release them wttn— have now decided to release them wttn no— have now decided to release them wttn no tnnnen— have now decided to release them with no further charges . well, with no further charges. well, no-ot— with no further charges. well, no-ot ott— with no further charges. well, no at all, basically no charges at all, basically teootse— no charges at all, basically because couldn't prove because they couldn't prove tntent. — because they couldn't prove tntent. ttt— because they couldn't prove intent. i'll start— because they couldn't prove intent. i'll start with you on ttts— intent. i'll start with you on tnts. tnts— intent. i'll start with you on this. this kind— intent. i'll start with you on this. this kind of- intent. i'll start with you on this. this kind of public order git,— this. this kind of public order ntttltt— this. this kind of public order bill,.it-discussed- this. this kind of public order bill, it discussed , bill, as it was discussed, gosset— bill, as it was discussed, gosseo tost— bill, as it was discussed, passed last week, is quite controversial— passed last week, is quite controversial .— passed last week, is quite controversial . bill, or has been controversial. bill, or has been for controversial. bill, or has been ton oenotn— controversial. bill, or has been for certain members of society. wnene— for certain members of society. wnene to— for certain members of society. wnene to wow— for certain members of society. where do you stand on it? ignite where do you stand on it? well, tnto— where do you stand on it? well, ttts ts— where do you stand on it? well, ttts ts tost— where do you stand on it? well, this is just abject— where do you stand on it? well,

this is just abject from the metropolitan police going around individually apologising to these demonstrate voters, giving them back . was it the luggage, them back. was it the luggage, them back. was it the luggage, the luggage straps that they claimed were going to be used by the protesters? it's time to aboush the protesters? it's time to abolish the metropol police, get rid of this shoddy organisation for once and for all. they employ rapists. they employ criminals , and now they arrest criminals, and now they arrest ordinary, decent british citizens and deny them their free speech. they employ tens of tnotsonos— free speech. they employ tens of tnotsonts ot— free speech. they employ tens of thousands of people,— ”t:t;tt; i they employ tens of thousands of people, don't they? ant— thousands of people, don't they? ant tn— thousands of people, don't they? ant tn se— thousands of people, don't they? and i'm sure the— thousands of people, don't they? and i'm sure the majority of wnton— and i'm sure the majority of wnton wtt— and i'm sure the majority of which will be— and i'm sure the majority of which will be fine. they do. not— which will be fine. they do. not thew— which will be fine. they do. not they otso— which will be fine. they do. but they also they- which will be fine. they do. but they also they also- which will be fine. they do. but they also they also they also the metropolitan commissioner knows and he said he power sack he wants more power to sack people quickly . there's people more quickly. there's such deep rooted problem in such a deep rooted problem in the police. so what would you negtooe— the police. so what would you negtooe tnen — the police. so what would you replace them with— ti.tt; so what would you replace them with police replace them with that a police senttoe— replace them with that a police senttoe ton— replace them with that a police service for london,— replace them with that a police service for london, police replace them with that a police service for london. police replace them with that a police service for london. /tt:t ice replace them with that a police service for london. /tt:t gt; i t: service for london. you get rid of the metropolitan police and reform them, refound them and have and that's have a new culture. and that's what met police was police what the met police was a police force for london. but you have to rid of culture of the

to get rid of the culture of the metropolitan police, get of metropolitan police, get rid of the name you spend all of that money rid of entire money getting rid of an entire police force start up again police force to start up again with different royal with a different name. the royal ulster had to ulster constabulary had to get rid of the and them. rid of the ruc and replace them. the they've got the psni comparison they've got there's no there's no public support for the police in london. there's public london. there's no public support. in was support. we saw this in was a bit hard. previous discussions we've your are very we've had your viewers are very strong, of the strong, highly critical of the police performance, police and their performance, not just in london but around the catch the country. they don't catch criminals. if you get criminals. they if you get burgled, you police burgled, they give you a police number insurance. but number for your insurance. but this is clamping down on free speech. got doubt at speech. and i've got no doubt at all because suella all this is because suella braverman see braverman said, i want to see some arrests. the home some arrests. i the home secretary wants to see you. the metropolitan police some metropolitan police make some arrests, stick arrests, put a bit of stick about that's been a about and that's been a humiliating climbdown. what are they they either had they doing? they either had cause or they didn't. they clearly cause at the clearly didn't have cause at the time they shouldn't time. they shouldn't started tackling. well time. they shouldn't started tackling . well , i time. they shouldn't started tackling . well, i thought time. they shouldn't started tackling . well , i thought the tackling. well, i thought the oononotton— tackling. well, i thought the coronation was— i g well, i thought the coronation was fabulous . it's coronation was fabulous. it's tost— coronation was fabulous. it's ttst on— coronation was fabulous. it's ttst on o— coronation was fabulous. it's just on a lighter— coronation was fabulous. it's just on a lighter note here. and tnen— just on a lighter note here. and tnen we— just on a lighter note here. and tnen we toot— just on a lighter note here. and then we look at— just on a lighter note here. and then we look at the reason why tnew-ne— then we look at the reason why tnew-ne tnene. — then we look at the reason why they're there. i— then we look at the reason why they're there. i mean, the reason that— they're there. i mean, the reason that any- they're there. i mean, the reason that any government is in

gowen— reason that any government is in gotten wnton— reason that any government is in power, which from _ reason that any government is in power, which from whichever party— power, which from whichever gonw tnetn— power, which from whichever party their primary purpose is otott— party their primary purpose is otott-sotetw— party their primary purpose is about-safety and- party their primary purpose is about safety and security about the safety and security of the about the safety and security of tne otttzens— about the safety and security of the citizens country. the citizens of the country. i come from a safety and security ontttoot— come from a safety and security critical industry.— come from a safety and security critical industry. hindsight oont— critical industry. hindsight oon-t gtow— critical industry. hindsight oon-t gtow onw— critical industry. hindsight can't play any part in anything tnot— can't play any part in anything tnot we— can't play any part in anything that we determine. the vast not-onw— that we determine. the vast notonttw ot— that we determine. the vast majority of people who were here in majority of people who were here tn tonton— majority of people who were here tn tonton on— majority of people who were here in london on saturday and over the in london on saturday and over tne weetent— in london on saturday and over the weekend wanted to come and enjoy— the weekend wanted to come and entot o— the weekend wanted to come and entow o nottonot— the weekend wanted to come and enjoy a national event, which was we most of— enjoy a national event, which was we most of us won't see the next— was we most of us won't see the next one— was we most of us won't see the next tn— was we most of us won't see the next tn otn— was we most of us won't see the next one in our lifetimes, or nonw— next one in our lifetimes, or nonw ot— next one in our lifetimes, or nonw ot ts— next one in our lifetimes, or many of us probably won't. and i note— many of us probably won't. and i note no— many of us probably won't. and i note no tsste— many of us probably won't. and i have no issue with— many of us probably won't. and i have no issue with people who gnotest. — have no issue with people who gnotest. twe— have no issue with people who protest. i've been— have no issue with people who protest. i've been out on the ooo— protest. i've been out on the odd ttttte— protest. i've been out on the odd little protest, but the tnotttte— odd little protest, but the tnotttte ts— odd little protest, but the trouble is we— odd little protest, but the trouble is we have these minor ttwt— trouble is we have these minor ttwt gnotgs— trouble is we have these minor ttwt gnotgs ow— trouble is we have these minor rmt groups now and it's all otott— rmt groups now and it's all otott wen.— rmt groups now and it's all about them. there is no account token— about them. there is no account toten ot— about them. there is no account toten ot tne— about them. there is no account taken of the vast— about them. there is no account taken of the vast majority who may— taken of the vast majority who not ognee— taken of the vast majority who not ognee wttn— taken of the vast majority who may agree with some of the gotnts— may agree with some of the gotnts tnot— may agree with some of the points that they— may agree with some of the points that they raise, but they tost— points that they raise, but they ttst wont— points that they raise, but they ttst wont to — points that they raise, but they just want to disrupt everything. ano— just want to disrupt everything. ant-seen— just want to disrupt everything. and-seenlwith- and we've seen it with extinction _ and we've seen it with extinction rebellion and we've. seen-numberlothers. seen it with a number of others. tne— seen it with a number of others. tne ntnnentt— seen it with a number of others. tne ntnnentt ot— seen it with a number of others. the number of police officers, i say— the number of police officers, i so good— the number of police officers, i so good .— the number of police officers, i so good . ant— the number of police officers, i say good . and the— the number of police officers, i say good . and the metropolitan say good. and the metropolitan nottoe— say good. and the metropolitan tottoe ot— say good. and the metropolitan tottoe ot tne— say good. and the metropolitan police at the weekend did a tnttttont— police at the weekend did a brilliant job.— police at the weekend did a brilliant job. the vast majority of brilliant job. the vast majority ot geogte— brilliant job. the vast majority ot geogte ot— brilliant job. the vast majority of people at work— brilliant job. the vast majority of people at work in the police

tonoe— of people at work in the police tonoe toot— of people at work in the police force look after— of people at work in the police force look after us.— of people at work in the police force look after us. we know tnene— force look after us. we know tnene note— force look after us. we know there have been— force look after us. we know there have been some bad eggs tnene— there have been some bad eggs tnene ont— there have been some bad eggs there and-all— there have been some bad eggs there and-all then- there have been some bad eggs there and all then about there and it's all then about teooensntg— there and it's all then about leadership of— there and it's all then about leadership of who's leading tnese— leadership of who's leading these _forces- leadership of who's leading these forces and i think these police forces and i think tnew-we— these police forces and i think tnew-we not— these police forces and i think they've had some— these police forces and i think they've had some strong messages and they've had some strong messages onot-one— they've had some strong messages onot-one oenotn— they've had some strong messages and are certain things and there are certain things tnot— and there are certain things tnot-to— and there are certain things that-to change.- and there are certain things that to change. erg but, that need to change. erg but, you— that need to change. erg but, not know,— that need to change. erg but, too know-sow— that need to change. erg but, you know, say somebody just you know, just say somebody just say you know, just say somebody just so sonetotw— you know, just say somebody just say somebody that— you know, just say somebody just say somebody that have had sonetntng— say somebody that have had sonetntng tn— say somebody that have had something in their pocket in wnotewen. — something in their pocket in whatever. and— something in their pocket in whatever. and it— something in their pocket in whatever. and it could have been an whatever. and it could have been on etgtostwe— whatever. and it could have been an explosive device. _ an explosive device. just tnogtne— an explosive device. just tnogtne tost— an explosive device. just imagine just imagine the carnage. know, we rely on carnage. you know, we rely on seotnttw— carnage. you know, we rely on seotnttw ont— carnage. you know, we rely on security and intelligence to be otte— security and intelligence to be otte to— security and intelligence to be otte to tett— security and intelligence to be able to tell us— security and intelligence to be able to tell us what's going on. tnts— able to tell us what's going on. this-keystone.— able to tell us what's going on. this-keystone. and- able to tell us what's going on. this keystone. and then this was keystone. and then we note—gottoe. - this was keystone. and then we have—police. we- this was keystone. and then we. have—police. we have have to have the police. we have the have to have the police. we have tne-on— have to have the police. we have tne-on tne— have to have the police. we have the-on the ground- have to have the police. we have the on the ground who are the feet on the ground who are nogettttw— the feet on the ground who are hopefully-making- the feet on the ground who are hopefully making sure that hopefully then making sure that sonetntng— hopefully then making sure that something happen . so something bad didn't happen. so good— something bad didn't happen. so good-wot.— something bad didn't happen. so good you. metropolitan police good on you. metropolitan police --90t_ good on you. metropolitan police .-got-tttt— good on you. metropolitan police .-got-tttt stggon- good on you. metropolitan police .-got-full support ,. . you've got my full support, you— . you've got my full support, not know,— . you've got my full support, you know, redo— . you've got my full support, you know, redo things in terms of you know, redo things in terms ot tne— you know, redo things in terms on tne geogte— you know, redo things in terms of the people that have clearly not teen— of the people that have clearly not teen goot— of the people that have clearly not been good and get rid of men.— not been good and get rid of tnen. tet— not been good and get rid of them. let mark— not been good and get rid of them. let mark rowley get rid of tnen. — them. let mark rowley get rid of tnen. an— them. let mark rowley get rid of tnen. an eosw— them. let mark rowley get rid of them. an easy way— them. let mark rowley get rid of them. an easy way to get rid of too— them. an easy way to get rid of tot gottoe. — them. an easy way to get rid of bad police. but— them. an easy way to get rid of bad police. but the vast not-onw— bad police. but the vast majority arnie are great and i wont— majority arnie are great and i tnont tnen— majority arnie are great and i thank them for— majority arnie are great and i thank them for all the work that tnew— thank them for all the work that tnew to. — thank them for all the work that tnew to. ant— thank them for all the work that they do. and let— thank them for all the work that they do. and let me- thank them for all the work that they do. 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chucked in a because chucked them in a cell because potentially using potentially they might be using these it was, bungee these whatever it was, bungee cords whatever , um, what i'm cords or whatever, um, what i'm on about these locking on things. no. so then there's things. oh no. so then there's the things. oh no. so then there's tne toge— things. oh no. so then there's tne noge-noge— things. oh no. so then there's the rape.-rape alarms- gt o" so then there's the rape. rape alarms were the rape. the rape alarms were oottottw— the rape. the rape alarms were actually-patrol- the rape. the rape alarms were actually-patrol of- the rape. the rape alarms were actually patrol of no, actually the night patrol of no, no, no, no, no. "til; actually the night patrol of no, no, no, no, no. "ti; ttttitt; no, no, no, no. they were arresting people at two in the afternoon with alarms on afternoon with rape alarms on them. but they then decided them. but if they then decided ottenwonts— them. but if they then decided afterwards that _ but if they then decided afterwards that actually we wont— didn't have the means to tetenntne— didn't have the means to determine _or. didn't have the means to determine or not didn't have the means to- determine _or not you did determine whether or not you did tnteno—ton-t— determine whether or not you did intend—don't you- intend to lock on, don't you tntnt— intend to lock on, don't you think-there— intend to lock on, don't you think there should be. oh, think then there should be. oh, wes— think then there should be. oh, yes-tt— think then there should be. oh, yes. .if someone- think then there should be. oh, yes. if someone arrested yes. like if someone arrested vou— yes. like if someone arrested wot-sonetntng— yes. like if someone arrested you something then you for something and then oottottw— you for something and then actually decided, know, on actually decided, you know, on netteotton— actually decided, you know, on reflection,.didn't- actually decided, you know, on reflection, didn't really actually decided, you know, on refle(enough didn't really actually decided, you know, on refle(enough kindi't really actually decided, you know, on refle(enough kind ofreally actually decided, you know, on refle(enough kind of stuff have enough kind of stuff there to-ononget.— have enough kind of stuff there to charged. wouldn't to have charged. you wouldn't you— to have charged. you wouldn't wot etgeot— to have charged. you wouldn't you expect person to go? to have charged. you wouldn't you eiactually, person to go? to have charged. you wouldn't you eiactually, i'm'son to go? to have charged. you wouldn't you eiactually, i'm sorryo go? to have charged. you wouldn't you eiactually, i'm sorry about yeah, actually, i'm sorry about ttot— yeah, actually, i'm sorry about tnot. gt— yeah, actually, i'm sorry about that. of-would.- yeah, actually, i'm sorry about that. of-would. of. that. of course i would. of course i. you— that. of course i would. of course i. you think they where tnew-ne— course i. you think they where tnew-ne nowtng— course i. you think they where they're having to— course i. you think they where they're having to make they're nottng— they're having to make they're making judgement making split second judgement otott— making split second judgement otott tne— making split second judgement about the situation that they are about the situation that they tnen — about the situation that they are then dealing with. e t are then dealing with. it's like gottoe— are then dealing with. it's like police officers,— are then dealing with. it's like police officers, they weren't we weren't dealing with carry weapons, they weren't dealing. you you you don't you say that you do. you don't know. were tens of know. there were tens of thousands people . i do know. know. there were tens of tido sands people . i do know. know. there were tens of tido sands all people . i do know. know. there were tens of tido sands all overle . i do know. know. there were tens of tido sands all over all i do know. know. there were tens of tido sands all over all over know. i do know all over all over london, them all, although they weren't terrorists. they were they weren't terrorists. they were tnew-wene - weren't terrorists. they were- they-were overreacting they were they were overreacting owe-onot — they were they were overreacting owe-onot tnew- they were they were overreacting

over-and they were - they were they were overreacting over to and they were they were they were overreacting over to perform they were they were they were overreacting over to perform forty were they were they were overreacting over to perform for the ere they were they were overreacting over to perform for the home trying to perform for the home seonetont— trying to perform for the home secretary well,— trying to perform for the home secretary well, i— trying to perform for the home secretary well, i think they did a secretary well, i think they did o-tot. — secretary well, i think they did o-tot. ant— secretary well, i think they did o-tot. ant t— secretary well, i think they did a-job. and i don't- secretary well, i think they did a job. 't: t:t?" e a great job. and i don't think they overpoliced police officers. talking officers. if you're talking about or 20 out of the about 30 or 20 or 30 out of the thousands of people who were arrested they've looked arrested and now they've looked at said perhaps we at it and said perhaps we shouldn't have done that, fair do's. to an do's. okay, there has to be an apology. frankly, know, apology. but frankly, you know, why have to pick why did they have to pick anyway? mean, i don't care if anyway? i mean, i don't care if somebody is a republican. it's entirely them. you entirely up to them. but, you know, day with a know, we've got one day with a with a coronation on, you know, they protest all the time. do you there have been you think there should have been a everybody else? you think there should have been a you everybody else? you think there should have been a you think everybody else? you think there should have been a you think they 'erybody else? you think there should have been a you think they should( else? you think there should have been a you think they should have ? do you think they should have been allowed to disrupt the coronation? well, of course, tnew— coronation? well, of course, tnew not— coronation? well, of course, tnew not no— 7 well, of course, they had no intention t:7 well, of course, they had no intention of otsntgttng.— they had no intention of. disrupting._ask they had no intention of- disrupting._ask you disrupting. no, i didn't ask you if-intention.- disrupting. no, i didn't ask you if-intention. - disrupting. no, i didn't ask you if-intention. iaskedj if they had intention. i asked you.— if they had intention. i asked ton—tno- if they had intention. i asked you, they should you, do you think they should have allowed to disrupt? i have been allowed to disrupt? i think free speech, if it's a ntgnt— think free speech, if it's a ntgnt ont— think free speech, if it's a right and it's— think free speech, if it's a right and it's a- think free speech, if it's a right and it's a value that gb wets— right and it's a value that gb news-tn— right and it's a value that gb wews-tn tt- right and it's a value that gb news-in, if you- right and it's a value that gb news in, if you believe news believes in, if you believe in news believes in, if you believe tn tnee— news believes in, if you believe tn tnee sgeeon— news believes in, if you believe in free speech, believe in in free speech, you believe in fee— in free speech, you believe in nee-tne— in free speech, you believe in free-the people - in free speech, you believe in free the people you free speech. the people you neottw— free speech. the people you neottw oon-t.— free speech. the people you really don't. but— free speech. the people you really don't. but that's not my goestton. — really don't. but that's not my question. .question- really don't. but that's not my question. : tit" really don't. but that's not my question. my question is the right. they had. i question. g they had. i believe in right. they had. i believe in tee— right. they had. i believe in tnee sgeeon.— right. they had. i believe in free speech. of— g they had. i believe in free speech. of course they had tnew— free speech. of course they had tnew not— free speech. of course they had tnew noo-ntgnt— free speech. of course they had they had .right to - they had the right to demonstrate in silent demonstrations. they had the

ntgnt. — demonstrations. they had the. right. _answering demonstrations. they had the rigiquestion. answering demonstrations. they had the rigiquestion. igt answering demonstrations. they had the rigiquestion. igt :ing demonstrations. they had the rigiquestion. igt : ttg my question. my question is a really question. you're really simple question. you're my simple. i'm my question is very simple. i'm asking asking a asking i'm definitely asking a question. one question. it's not a complex one ehhen question. it's not a complex one either. do think that if either. do you think that if people are anti monarchy, they would they should be allowed the right coronation? right to disrupt the coronation? that the intention of that was not the intention of tnose— that was not the intention of tnose geogte.— that was not the intention of those people. iyou- that was not the intention of those people. v/tt:t those people. you know, that's my question to you. i'm asking you simple question. the you a simple question. the police right arrest, police had the right to arrest, but can't you answer my but why can't you answer my simple because it's simple question? because it's not-goestton.- simple question? because it's not-question. the. not an actual question. the people,— not an actual question. the people, the— not an actual question. the people, the people, the people, not an actual question. the peo people people, the people, not an actual question. the peo people who ple, the people, not an actual question. the peo people who ple, the pe are a, the people who the police are the people who the police are the right— the people who the police are the mm to— the people who the police are the right to arrest demonstrators disrupting. the right to arrest— demonstrators disrupting. they don-t— demonstrators disrupting. they amt-right— demonstrators disrupting. they don't- right. arrest. don't have the right to arrest people—then people whose opinions they disagree— people whose opinions they. disagree _won't disagree with. well, you won't answerree—f- disagree with. well, you won't. answer_ free speech. answer my question. free speech. no, ru— answer my question. free speech. n0, nu answe— answer my question. free speech. no, i'll answer my— answer my question. free speech. no, i'll answer my own question. vow-ne— no, i'll answer my own question. you're-hypothetic- no, i'll answer my own question. you're-yourypothetic- no, i'll answer my own question. you're-you don't.ztic- no, i'll answer my own question. you're-you don't. people. question. no, you don't. people have the right they were not disrupt a coronation or a coronation that actually many people this country support people in this country support it i didn't say it and got behind. i didn't say we were a dictatorship, but given that you can't answer my bafic given that you can't answer my basic question , then i'll leave basic question, then i'll leave it to guys at to home decide it to you guys at to home decide who do agree all who do you agree with.7 all opinions on gb news, opinions are valid on gb news, so they get your thoughts coming in. gb views at gb news. .uk.

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the mall and police were cheered when they walked past us in groups . basically, they're groups. basically, they're saying these the police did saying that these the police did a great job in keeping everybody safe . well, you can't dispute safe. well, you can't dispute what's i mean, that coronation must have been such a target for people . oh, and that's what people. oh, and that's what i mean. so you can't i mean, i just think you're kind of glibly chris, excise the police, whereas actually thousands upon thousands of people attended. i'm going to be blunt. thousands of people attended. i'm going to be blunt . what must i'm going to be blunt. what must have been in some regard a terrorist target, not a single attack happened. they kept everybody safe. and, you know, i do. i actually do applaud them for that. keep your thoughts coming in, richard the met coming in, richard says the met police are a complete nonsense . police are a complete nonsense. yes, they do some good work , yes, they do some good work, i.e. jailing the protesters. but he says then they embarrass themselves by coming and themselves by coming out and stating regret. says, please stating regret. he says, please , stop .7 brenda says , will you stop? brenda says protesters definitely have the right to protest, but not the right to protest, but not the right to protest, but not the right to upset the general

pubuc right to upset the general public shame, she says . fred public shame, she says. fred says yes, the police were right to clamp down. i'm not a royalist, but it was a royalist day, so why spoil it for the majority ? keep your thoughts majority? keep your thoughts coming in on that. majority? keep your thoughts coming in on that . but let's coming in on that. but let's talk home, shall we? because a yorkshire lender is now launching a 100% mortgage farage now there are some of these things that exist already, but this one's quite different because you don't need any form of guarantor or anything. it's all intended. jacqueline to help people that are trapped in the rental cycle. you know, these guys spent a fortune on rent, but they can't then save up the deposit that they need. is this the answer? do you celebrate deposit that they need. is this the arkind ? do you celebrate deposit that they need. is this the arkind of)o you celebrate deposit that they need. is this the arkind of things?elebrate deposit that they need. is this the arkind of things? i.ebrate these kind of things? i absolutely do. i think the bunting— absolutely do. i think the building societies- c24,» 22» i think the building societies and banks need— building societies and banks need to— building societies and banks need to start— building societies and banks need to start being more innovative— need to start being more innovative now. i mean, if you tnnn— innovative now. i mean, if you tnnw enent— innovative now. i mean, if you think about it— innovative now. i mean, if you think about it ,_ innovative now. i mean, if you think about it, i— innovative now. i mean, if you think about it, i think the average— think about it, i think the average now and it's across the county,— average now and it's across the eawnww ea— average now and it's across the eawnww no n— average now and it's across the country, so it won't— average now and it's across the country, so it won't be in all pane— country, so it won't be in all pane af— country, so it won't be in all pane of ne— country, so it won't be in all parts of the country. i think ane— parts of the country. i think we average— parts of the country. i think the average amount people are navrng— the average amount people are navrng ra— the average amount people are navrng re ave— the average amount people are having to save up— the average amount people are having to save up to put down a newer— having to save up to put down a aenaerr ar— having to save up to put down a aenaerr a ne— having to save up to put down a deposit at the moment is £62,000.—

deposit at the moment is £62,000. now,- deposit at the moment is £62,000. now, most people , you £62,000. now, most people, you knew,— £62,000. now, most people, you knew, wnen— £62,000. now, most people, you know, when you're— £62,000. now, most people, you know, when you're pretty young ana— know, when you're pretty young and even— know, when you're pretty young and n— know, when you're pretty young and even if you're— know, when you're pretty young and even if you're older and van-re— and even if you're older and van-re warning— and even if you're older and you're working to be able to een— you're working to be able to een ar— you're working to be able to een er eave— you're working to be able to sort of save kyiv_ you're working to be able to sort of save kyiv thousands and rnaweanae— sort of save kyiv thousands and rnaweanae ar— sort of save kyiv thousands and thousands of pounds for a newer— thousands of pounds for a aenaerr re— thousands of pounds for a deposit is very— thousands of pounds for a deposit is very difficult . so deposit is very difficult. so i rnrnn— deposit is very difficult. so i rnrnn-re— deposit is very difficult. so i rnrnn-re a— deposit is very difficult. so i think-is a great- deposit is very difficult. so i think is a great initiative think this is a great initiative by ennen— think this is a great initiative by skipton. and— think this is a great initiative by skipton. and these are your rnre— by skipton. and these are your rnrela— by skipton. and these are your this-a yorkshire— by skipton. and these are your this a yorkshire building this is a yorkshire building eaererv— this is a yorkshire building society yorkshire this is a yorkshire building- society _yorkshire people society and the yorkshire people eenarnrv—ra- society and the yorkshire people certainly _to.about certainly know what to do about the certainly know what to do about rne-rn— certainly know what to do about rne-rn anew— certainly know what to do about the in their pocket. the pound in their pocket. rnev-re— the pound in their pocket. rnev-re ana— the pound in their pocket. they're and i— the pound in their pocket. they're and i think when you warn— they're and i think when you work awr— they're and i think when you work out it's— they're and i think when you work out it's normally over a 25 wear— work out it's normally over a 25 vear rern— work out it's normally over a 25 year rern ea— work out it's normally over a 25 year term so the— work out it's normally over a 25 year term so the fact that they nan-r— year term so the fact that they nan-r nave— year term so the fact that they nan-r nave a— year term so the fact that they don't have a deposit would warranty— don't have a deposit would probably make— don't have a deposit would probably make little difference to probably make little difference ra ane— probably make little difference re rne rern— probably make little difference to the term of— probably make little difference to the term of that mortgage in any— to the term of that mortgage in any evenr— to the term of that mortgage in any evenr. ana— to the term of that mortgage in any event. and we've got to rnrnn— any event. and we've got to rnrnk ar— any event. and we've got to rnrnk of wave— any event. and we've got to think of ways to— any event. and we've got to think of ways to get, i think, vawnger— think of ways to get, i think, vawnger neopre— think of ways to get, i think, younger people now who do want to younger people now who do want re ger— younger people now who do want re ger awr— younger people now who do want re ger ear or— younger people now who do want to get out of the— younger people now who do want to get out of the rental sector to get out of the rental sector re ger— to get out of the rental sector re ger anew— to get out of the rental sector to get their foot— to get out of the rental sector to get their foot on, on, on the on to get their foot on, on, on the an ane— to get their foot on, on, on the an we an— to get their foot on, on, on the an we an ane— to get their foot on, on, on the on the on the housing ladder. wean— on the on the housing ladder. wean wer— on the on the housing ladder. wean we re— on the on the housing ladder. yeah, just to give— on the on the housing ladder. yeah, just to give you a bit more detail,— yeah, just to give you a bit more detail, 100% loan to more detail, it's a 100% loan to varwe — more detail, it's a 100% loan to varwe sa— more detail, it's a 100% loan to varne so ar— more detail, it's a 100% loan to value. so of course- more detail, it's a 100% loan to value. 22». more detail, it's a 100% loan to value. 222. value. so of course there no deposit time buyers only deposit first time buyers only you must proof of paying you must have proof of paying rent 12 months. £600,000 is rent for 12 months. £600,000 is your maximum loan apparently. and the rate will be 5.49. a five year fix. john mcternan , five year fix. john mcternan, your thoughts ? 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five year fix. john mcternan, your thoughts ? it's just another your thoughts? it's just another arrennr— your thoughts? it's just another arrennrra— your thoughts? it's just another attempt to hold— your thoughts? it's just another attempt to hold house- 2 3“ it's just another attempt to hold house prices up ana— attempt to hold house prices up and rnere-e— attempt to hold house prices up and rnere-e a— attempt to hold house prices up and there's a really weird thing anar— and there's a really weird thing rnar goee— and there's a really weird thing rnar gaee an— and there's a really weird thing that goes on in— and there's a really weird thing that goes on in britain, which is that goes on in britain, which re we— that goes on in britain, which re we nare— that goes on in britain, which is we hate inflation and we love nanee— is we hate inflation and we love nanee ance— is we hate inflation and we love house price inflation. we've aernauv— house price inflation. we've aernanv gar— house price inflation. we've actually got to— house price inflation. we've actually got to stop houses going— actually got to stop houses going up— actually got to stop houses garng np rn— actually got to stop houses going up in price. actually got to stop houses going up in price . it's that going up in price. it's that none— going up in price. it's that nanee ance— going up in price. it's that house price inflation has to be erannea— house price inflation has to be engaged ana— house price inflation has to be engaged and we— house price inflation has to be stopped and we actually need to see stopped and we actually need to ane— stopped and we actually need to rne nanee— stopped and we actually need to see the house prices corrected. they— see the house prices corrected. rnev neea— see the house prices corrected. rnev neea ra— see the house prices corrected. they need to fall.— see the house prices corrected. they need to fall. this is just rrvrng— they need to fall. this is just rrvrng ra— they need to fall. this is just rrvrng re enne— they need to fall. this is just trying to stoke the market, narnrarn— trying to stoke the market, maintain the— trying to stoke the market, maintain the market, keep it gang.— maintain the market, keep it garng. sa— maintain the market, keep it garng. sa nen— maintain the market, keep it going. so risk for the borrower . ana— going. so risk for the borrower . ana rnere-e— going. so risk for the borrower . and there's no— going. so risk for the borrower . and there's no doubt that the entran— . and there's no doubt that the snnran—navl . and there's no doubt that thel snnran—nav far skipton will make them pay for the skipton will make them pay for rne-ar— skipton will make them pay for rne-ar anew— skipton will make them pay for the-of their lives- skipton will make them pay for the of their lives if they the rest of their lives if they eran —ra - the rest of their lives if they ewn—re nav- the rest of their lives if they ewn—re nav. andl the rest of their lives if they- stop_to pay. and 100% stop being able to pay. and 100% nangage— stop being able to pay. and 100% engage-new.— mortgage is risky. there's a rnere-e— mortgage is risky. there's a rnere-e a— mortgage is risky. there's a there's a reason— mortgage is risky. there's a there's a reason why you have to nave— there's a reason why you have to navelaenaerr. — there's a reason why you have to haveldeposit. .the- there's a reason why you have to have deposit. the other have a deposit. and the other rnrng— have a deposit. and the other rnrng re— have a deposit. and the other rnrng e in— have a deposit. and the other rnrng re in in— have a deposit. and the other thing is in in-end- have a deposit. and the other thing is in in end , the thing is in in the end, the earnrran— thing is in in the end, the solution to— thing is in in the end, the solution to housing is going to be entering— solution to housing is going to be building hundreds of thousands— be building hundreds of thousands ,_ be building hundreds of thousands , maybe a million new thousands, maybe a million new canner— thousands, maybe a million new eannen nneee— thousands, maybe a million new council houses. it's— thousands, maybe a million new council houses. it's not going to council houses. it's not going re re— council houses. it's not going re be helping— council houses. it's not going to be helping some people to buy a nanee— to be helping some people to buy a nanee rn— to be helping some people to buy a house in this— to be helping some people to buy a house in this overpriced marker.— a house in this overpriced market. we've— a house in this overpriced market. we've got house prices nave— market. we've got house prices nave ra— market. we've got house prices nave re ran.— market. we've got house prices have to fall. it's— market. we've got house prices have to fall. it's the one bit of inflation— have to fall. it's the one bit of inflation this— have to fall. it's the one bit of inflation this government ra— of inflation this government seems to want— of inflation this government seems to want to defend. so you wanr— seems to want to defend. so you wanr ra—

seems to want to defend. so you wanr re push— seems to want to defend. so you wanr re nnen a— seems to want to defend. so you want to push a nation of homeowners— want to push a nation of homeowners into negative equity? no, homeowners into negative equity? we. r— homeowners into negative equity? we. r wanr— homeowners into negative equity? we. r want an— homeowners into negative equity? no, i want to see— homeowners into negative equity? no, i want to see property- homeowners into negative equity? no, i want to see property in- no, i want to see property in over the pandemic. it's a fall for over value _ over the pandemic. it's a fall for over value ,_ over the pandemic. it's a fall for over value , over- over the pandemic. it's a fall for over value , over the- for over value, over the negatve— for over value, over the negative, over- for over value, over the negative, over the pandemic penan— negative, over the pandemic period- rnev-re— negative, over the pandemic period. they're not in negative. rgnrrv— period. they're not in negative. rgnrrv depende— period. they're not in negative. equity depends what they narrowed. — equity depends what they borrowed. but— equity depends what they borrowed. but over the pandemic genea— borrowed. but over the pandemic nenaa .— borrowed. but over the pandemic penaa . ane— borrowed. but over the pandemic period , the three— borrowed. but over the pandemic period , the three years, the period, the three years, the pandemic.— period, the three years, the pandemic, how— period, the three years, the pandemic, how houses in britain wenr— pandemic, how houses in britain wenr nn— pandemic, how houses in britain wenr nn rn— pandemic, how houses in britain went up in value— pandemic, how houses in britain went up in value by £1.7 rnrnan— went up in value by £1.7 trillion. let's— went up in value by £1.7 trillion. let's see house prices rau— trillion. let's see house prices ran iner— trillion. let's see house prices fall just back— trillion. let's see house prices fall just back to— trillion. let's see house prices fall just back to what they were rnree— fall just back to what they were rnree weare— fall just back to what they were rnree veare age.— fall just back to what they were three years ago. that doesn't put— three years ago. that doesn't anr neopre— three years ago. that doesn't anr new“! in— three years ago. that doesn't put people in negative equity anar— put people in negative equity rnar iner— put people in negative equity that just starts— put people in negative equity that just starts to correct us baa— that just starts to correct us back ra— that just starts to correct us back an a— that just starts to correct us back to a situation, ian, where aernauv— back to a situation, ian, where actually houses— back to a situation, ian, where actually houses become affordable. _ actually houses become affordable. again, pricing neopre— affordable. again, pricing people enr— affordable. again, pricing people out of— affordable. again, pricing people out of the market. you nan-r— people out of the market. you nan-r eave— people out of the market. you don't solve it— people out of the market. you don't solve it by— people out of the market. you don't solve it by giving them ane— don't solve it by giving them we re— don't solve it by giving them we re nanev— don't solve it by giving them the to money buy in an averpneea— the to money buy in an overpriced market. we need to eeeearreeranlr— overpriced market. we need to seelcorrection. _ overpriced market. we need to seelcorrection . is- overpriced market. we need to see correction . "r2: "2 see a correction. is there any part of it? well, i was about to say, is there any part of you that agrees with them? but given that agrees with them? but given that you're shaking your head, go on. no no, i don't. you know, i think go on. no no, i don't. you know, rrnrnk weve— go on. no no, i don't. you know, i think we've got— go on. no no, i don't. you know, i think we've got a— go on. no no, i don't. you know, i think we've got a very- i think we've got a very antenn— i think we've got a very difficult situation, obviously, wran— difficult situation, obviously, with - increase _ difficult situation, obviously, with .increase in- difficult situation, obviously, with increase in interest with the increase in interest raeer — with the increase in interest raeer _ane— with the increase in interest rates.-the irony- rates. i mean, the irony there is rates. i mean, the irony there relrar— rates. i mean, the irony there relrarlne— rates. i mean, the irony there isllotlus when- rates. i mean, the irony there isllotlus when i- rates. i mean, the irony there is lot us when i was paying is a lot of us when i was paying

for is a lot of us when i was paying far my— is a lot of us when i was paying far my flar— is a lot of us when i was paying for my flat years— is a lot of us when i was paying for my flat years ago, were for my flat years ago, we were never—was never. never in it. there was never 0.25— never in it. there was never 0.25 from — never in it. there was never 0.25 from the _ never in it. there was never 0.25 from the bank of england or oeo. — 0.25 from the bank of england or oeo. r— 0.25 from the bank of england or oeo. r mean— 0.25 from the bank of england or 0.50. i mean that's— 0.25 from the bank of england or 0.50. i mean that's another, rnar-e— 0.50. i mean that's another, that's another— 0.50. i mean that's another, that's another issue for another aav. — that's another issue for another aav. _anev— that's another issue for another aav. _anev - that's another issue for another day. they were kept day. i think they were kept annrerauv— day. i think they were kept artificially most day. i think they were kept artificially-most us artificially low and most of us navrng— artificially low and most of us were paying about 4, 5. sometimes— were paying about 4, 5. sometimes it- were paying about 4, 5. sometimes it went up to 8. i knew.— sometimes it went up to 8. i knew. r— sometimes it went up to 8. i knew. r mean— sometimes it went up to 8. i know. i mean there were times ane— know. i mean there were times rne ean— know. i mean there were times rne een ar— know. i mean there were times over the sort of the 80s and the ewe— over the sort of the 80s and the cane wnere— over the sort of the 80s and the 90s where interest— over the sort of the 80s and the 90s where interest rates and i rnrnk— 90s where interest rates and i rnrnk we— 90s where interest rates and i think we were— 90s where interest rates and i think we were probably a little bit think we were probably a little nrr mare— think we were probably a little bit more aware— think we were probably a little bit more aware of— think we were probably a little bit more aware of or more wary ananr— bit more aware of or more wary ananr anae— bit more aware of or more wary about that, that— bit more aware of or more wary about that, that that it about that, that risk that it canta— about that, that risk that it could-up— about that, that risk that it could-up ae— about that, that risk that it could up as well come could go up as well as come newn— could go up as well as come down. ana— could go up as well as come down. ana-n— could go up as well as come down. and -it was- could go up as well as come down. and it was great when down. and then it was great when it down. and then it was great when n cane— down. and then it was great when n newn— down. and then it was great when it came down because you had anarner— it came down because you had anarner noo— it came down because you had another £100 at— it came down because you had another £100 at the the another £100 at the end of the nann— another £100 at the end of the nanrn. maybe.— another £100 at the end of the month, maybe. so— another £100 at the end of the month, maybe. so we just have to win— month, maybe. so we just have to rnrnn—r— month, maybe. so we just have to rnrnn—r rnrnk- month, maybe. so we just have to think—i think what. think of that. and i think what we-ra— think of that. and i think what we-ra eav— think of that. and i think what we-to say-first- think of that. and i think what we to say first time we have to say to first time nnvere— we have to say to first time nnvere ana— we have to say to first time buyers and others and to people rnrnnng— buyers and others and to people thinking about— buyers and others and to people thinking about buying, you need to thinking about buying, you need ra—neea- thinking about buying, you need ra—neea ra- thinking about buying, you need ra—neea re ger- to remember we need to get a eeeaeg— to remember we need to get a neeeage—rareel to remember we need to get aj message—rates do to remember we need to get a. message—rates do go message across these rates do go up message across these rates do go nan-newn— message across these rates do go nn-aawn ana— message across these rates do go up .down and the _ message across these rates do go up down and the but the up and down and the but the entering— up and down and the but the building societies i have to say,— building societies i have to eav. ana— building societies i have to eav. and ne— building societies i have to say, and the banks, they never nee.— say, and the banks, they never nee—nee. - say, and the banks, they never lose._lose. and- say, and the banks, they neverl lose._lose. and they lose. they never lose. and they do lose. they never lose. and they rename-— lose. they never lose. and they do-come.with- lose. they never lose. and they. do - come .with products do need to come up with products —ravar— do need to come up with products now. loyal customers now. they've got loyal customers ana— now. they've got loyal customers andlthink— now. they've got loyal customers analrnrnn anew— now. they've got loyal customers and think they need put and i think they need to put new— and i think they need to put new money— and i think they need to put their money their mouth is their money where their mouth is and-neee— their money where their mouth is and-needlcome- their money where their mouth is and-needlcome up- their money where their mouth is and need come up with and they need to come up with pregnan— and they need to come up with products-actually- and they need to come up with products actually encourage products that actually encourage and-r— products that actually encourage ana-r rnrnk— products that actually encourage ana-r rnrnk a— products that actually encourage and-i think a.of- products that actually encourage

and i think a of the and allow. i think a lot of the vannger— and allow. i think a lot of the vannger neopre— and allow. i think a lot of the younger people and others aernauv— younger people and others aernauv-ra- younger people and others actually _to get. younger people and others actually to get on younger people and others- actually _to get on the actually families to get on the nanerng— actually families to get on the nanerng-n— actually families to get on the nanerng-nla- actually families to get on the housing it a market. housing market. it is a market. at housing market. it is a market. var-ena— housing market. it is a market. ar-ena ar— housing market. it is a market. ar-ena of ne— housing market. it is a market. at-end of the day,- housing market. it is a market. at end of the day, markets at the end of the day, markets are at the end of the day, markets markere— at the end of the day, markets are markets that— at the end of the day, markets are markets that and down. are markets that go up and down. but are markets that go up and down. nnr-are— are markets that go up and down. nnr-are rnrnge— are markets that go up and down. but-are things that- are markets that go up and down. but are things that we can but there are things that we can do. but there are things that we can era-verv— but there are things that we can do--verti (midw— but there are things that we can do. very quickly, do you do. and very quickly, do you win— do. and very quickly, do you rnrnn-wae- do. and very quickly, do you rnrnn-wae a- do. and very quickly, do you think was a target of think so there was a target of eononn — think so there was a target of 300,000 properties built 300,000 properties to be built per-wen— 300,000 properties to be built per-then became- 300,000 properties to be built per then became a per year that then became a unre— per year that then became a mare nn— per year that then became a little bit watered down and not not little bit watered down and not nor-van— little bit watered down and not narlvan knew.— little bit watered down and not not-you know,-iron. not a, you know, a cast iron anger.— not a, you know, a cast iron rarger. enr— not a, you know, a cast iron target, but-like- target, but more of like a varnnrarv— target, but more of like a voluntary endeavour. �*j2» target, but more of like a voluntary endeavour. j2» voluntary endeavour. do you think— voluntary endeavour. do you think anar— voluntary endeavour. do you think that was the right approach from the tories or do you it should have been, you think it should have been, you think it should have been, you as a this is you know, hammered as a this is your mandatory target? your target mandatory target? i think got think where you've got a difficulty, frankly, is the decisions or decisions are made at local or county council level. then you've got county council level. then van-ve gar ane— 2 22 c then you've got the arguments about greennen— you've got the arguments about greennen ana— you've got the arguments about greenbelt and-is- you've got the arguments about greenbelt and is in labour greenbelt and this is in labour ra— greenbelt and this is in labour areas to then _ greenbelt and this is in labour areas to then you've got all enne— areas to then you've got all eane ar— areas to then you've got all sorts of arguments about prannrng—anai sorts of arguments aboutl planning—and i sorts of arguments about- planning_and i think planning permission and i think we've we're a little bit we've been we're a little bit rea— we've been we're a little bit too reticent— we've been we're a little bit too reticent here,- we've been we're a little bit too reticent here, all parties aernauv— too reticent here, all parties actually insane— too reticent here, all parties actually insane .— too reticent here, all parties actually insane . these are the actually insane. these are the geare— actually insane. these are the geare. ana— actually insane. these are the goals. and then— actually insane. these are the goals. and then looking clearly ane— goals. and then looking clearly across the country— goals. and then looking clearly across the country where there are areas where— across the country where there are areas where we can realistically— are areas where we can realistically build the numbers anar— realistically build the numbers war-neee— realistically build the numbers that-need with— realistically build the numbers that need with the facilities that we need with the facilities anar— that we need with the facilities rnar we — that we need with the facilities rnar we need— that we need with the facilities that we need and— that we need with the facilities that we need and possibly some newn— that we need and possibly some brawn ana— that we need and possibly some brown and brown— that we need and possibly some brown and brown and the jobs we need.— brown and brown and the jobs we need. brownfield— brown and brown and the jobs we need. brownfield and the jobs you— need. brownfield and the jobs van-ra—

need. brownfield and the jobs van-ra-ar- need. brownfield and the jobs van-ra-ar ane- need. brownfield and the jobs you to at the whole you have to look at the whole arcane.— you have to look at the whole arcane-r— you have to look at the whole picture.-i think- you have to look at the whole picture. i think this picture. and i think this argnnenr— picture. and i think this argument time, picture. and i think this argument-time, say, argument all the time, they say, oh, argument all the time, they say, an-we— argument all the time, they say, an-we earn— argument all the time, they say, oh,-we said 200- argument all the time, they say, oh, we said 200 and you oh, well, we said 200 and you earn— oh, well, we said 200 and you earn noo.— oh, well, we said 200 and you earn eoo- n— oh, well, we said 200 and you said 300. it doesn't get anybody oh, well, we said 200 and you said 300. yeah,;n't get anybody oh, well, we said 200 and you said 300. yeah, but get anybody oh, well, we said 200 and you said 300. yeah, but we anybody oh, well, we said 200 and you said 300. yeah, but we anjneed anywhere. yeah, but we do need more accommodation and it needs to more accommodation and it needs re re— more accommodation and it needs re re tnnn— more accommodation and it needs re re nnrn. — more accommodation and it needs re re nnrn. r— more accommodation and it needs to be built. i mean— more accommodation and it needs to be built. i mean ,_ more accommodation and it needs to be built. " to be built. i mean, one of the big very brief final point, a big, story, the big, big success story, the south east since 1960 has grown in outside london by in population outside london by 6 you can put people in 6 million. you can put people in quite well into areas around london. we need to do more of that, more in london, more around london. but the houses have to be where the jobs are. that's why we need to take growth the north to put jobs growth to the north to put jobs there. but there's also a huge erennanr— there. but there's also a huge erepnanr rn— there. but there's also a huge elephant in the— 2222; but there's also a huge elephant in the room, isn't were.— elephant in the room, isn't there, because— elephant in the room, isn't there, because it's all well and goen.— there, because it's all well and goen-ean— there, because it's all well and gang-can van— there, because it's all well and good. .can you can- there, because it's all well and good. can you can build good. you can you can build nneee— good. you can you can build naneeeirne— good. you can you can build houses-the cows- good. you can you can build- houses-the cows-home. houses till the cows come home. enr— houses till the cows come home. new if— houses till the cows come home. new if van— houses till the cows come home. new rr van keep— houses till the cows come home. but if you keep increasing your napnrarran— but if you keep increasing your population-levels- but if you keep increasing your population levels we population to the levels that we do, population to the levels that we an ea— population to the levels that we an ea raer— population to the levels that we an ea raer wear.— population to the levels that we do, so last year, net migration nae-a— do, so last year, net migration was-a million— do, so last year, net migration was a million people. was half a million people. so renn— was half a million people. so ren-r ann— was half a million people. so isn't this year— was half a million people. so isn't this year-going - isn't this year is going to be 700. going be much more 700. it's going to be much more million. so it's well and million. so it's all well and goen— million. so it's all well and gear errrrng— million. so it's all well and gear errnng a— million. so it's all well and good sitting a big- 2 2»“ so it's all well and good sitting a big number, 2 ’2»“ so it's all well and good sitting a big number, but rnre— good sitting a big number, but rnrelrne— good sitting a big number, but this-the point.— good sitting a big number, but this-the point. so- good sitting a big number, but this the point. so yes, you this is the point. so yes, you eananeee-n— this is the point. so yes, you can-houses, but- this is the point. so yes, you can-houses, but if- this is the point. so yes, you can houses, but if your can build houses, but if your nrrenr— can build houses, but if your current population can't get naneea— current population can't get nnneee-keen- current population can't get housed keep insisting current population can't get- housed-keep insisting on housed and you keep insisting on adding— housed and you keep insisting on

awning-a— housed and you keep insisting on adding-a million— housed and you keep insisting on adding a million here and adding half a million here and 700,000— adding half a million here and. 700,000_constantly 700,000 there, you're constantly going— 700,000 there, you're constantly garng-enaerng— 700,000 there, you're constantly going-chasing your- 700,000 there, you're constantly going chasing your tail. going to be chasing your tail. ana— going to be chasing your tail. ana-gar— going to be chasing your tail. ana-gar ra— going to be chasing your tail. and got to honest, this and i've got to be honest, this wnare— and i've got to be honest, this whole housing— and i've got to be honest, this whole housing one whole housing situation is one anar— that really, really worries me. it that really, really worries me. n re— that really, really worries me. n e enrerv— that really, really worries me. it is surely the— that really, really worries me. it is surely the most basic rnrng— it is surely the most basic rnrng ra— it is surely the most basic rnrng re re— it is surely the most basic thing to be able a it is surely the most basic- thing to be able-a home thing to be able to have a home anar— thing to be able to have a home war-ean— thing to be able to have a home rnar-ean ean— thing to be able to have a home that-can call your- thing to be able to have a home that can call your own. and that you can call your own. and so that you can call your own. and ea nanv— that you can call your own. and ea nanv neopre— that you can call your own. and so many people for— that you can call your own. and so many people for a variety of reasons, are denied that at the rnarnenn — reasons, are denied that at the nanenr-r-n— reasons, are denied that at the moment. i'm really concerned moment. and i'm really concerned arena— moment. and i'm really concerned ananr anar— moment. and i'm really concerned about that. _and- moment. and i'm really concerned about that-and if- moment. and i'm really concerned about that. and if you moment. and i'm really concerned abotwhatt. and if you moment. and i'm really concerned abotwhat would and if you moment. and i'm really concerned abotwhat would be and if you moment. and i'm really concerned abotwhat would be youri if you are, what would be your earnrrane— are, what would be your solution?-take| are, what would be your solution?-take quick solution? going to take a quick weak. — solution? going to take a quick break. -we— solution? going to take a quick break.-we come- solution? going to take a quick break. we come back, i'll break. when we come back, i'll nave— break. when we come back, i'll nave ar— break. when we come back, i'll have some of your— break. when we come back, i'll have some of your thoughts. but i have some of your thoughts. but r area— have some of your thoughts. but r area-ra— have some of your thoughts. but r area-re aen— have some of your thoughts. but i also-to ask you- have some of your thoughts. but i also to ask you we i also want to ask you this. we ran— i also want to ask you this. we an arena— i also want to ask you this. we talk about-driving- i also want to ask you this. we talk about driving and talk about drink driving and arng— talk about drink driving and arng-ana— talk about drink driving and arng-ana au- talk about drink driving and drug and all the rest of drug driving and all the rest of it, drug driving and all the rest of rn-ananr— drug driving and all the rest of it,-about tired- it, but what about tired anvrnge— it, but what about tired driving? could it, but what about tired driving?-could new driving? there could be a new breed— driving? there could be a new breed reer— driving? there could be a new blood test on— driving? there could be a new blood test on the— driving? there could be a new blood test on the way which wante— blood test on the way which wanna be— blood test on the way which wanra nae-ra— blood test on the way which would be .to - at i blood test on the way which. would be .to _at the would be able to check at the eeeal— would be able to check at the scene .a crash. _ would be able to check at the scene a crash. have you had scene of a crash. have you had reee— scene of a crash. have you had reee rnan— scene of a crash. have you had less than-hours— scene of a crash. have you had less than hours sleep? what less than five hours sleep? what do less than five hours sleep? what era-annn— less than five hours sleep? what aa-rnrnk ra— less than five hours sleep? what do .think to that?— less than five hours sleep? what do think to that? sensible do you think to that? sensible or do you think to that? sensible arlnrrre— do you think to that? sensible arlnrrre nn— do you think to that? sensible orllittle bit too— do you think to that? sensible or little bit too far? see you or a little bit too far? see you

in two. i in two. hello. i in two. i hello there. i in two. - hello there. i'm | n awe.— hello there. i'm michelle dewberry— hello there. i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company till dewberry keeping you company rru noo— dewberry keeping you company till 7:00 tonight. _ dewberry keeping you company till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, baroness jacqueline foster, a eaneervarrve— baroness jacqueline foster, a conservative peer— baroness jacqueline foster, a conservative peer in the house

of conservative peer in the house ear-ana— conservative peer in the house ar-ana renn— conservative peer in the house of and john mcternan, a of lords, and john mcternan, a farmer— of lords, and john mcternan, a former adviser— of lords, and john mcternan, a former adviser tony blair. former adviser to tony blair. ngnr. — former adviser to tony blair. nrgnr. rere— former adviser to tony blair. right. let's cut— former adviser to tony blair. right. let's cut straight to the nae — right. let's cut straight to the nae enau— right. let's cut straight to the chase, shall we?— right. let's cut straight to the chase, shall we? because there is chase, shall we? because there re a— chase, shall we? because there is a new blood— chase, shall we? because there is a new blood test— chase, shall we? because there is a new blood test that is being— is a new blood test that is being developed as we speak. and it being developed as we speak. and n wante— being developed as we speak. and n wanra ne— being developed as we speak. and it would be looking— being developed as we speak. and it would be looking at whether or nar— it would be looking at whether or new van— it would be looking at whether or new van are— it would be looking at whether or not you are driving when van-re— or not you are driving when vn-re nren.— or not you are driving when you're tired. so— or not you are driving when you're tired. so if you've been at you're tired. so if you've been a ne— you're tired. so if you've been a we eene— you're tired. so if you've been at the scene of— you're tired. so if you've been at the scene of a— you're tired. so if you've been at the scene of a crash in goes ane— at the scene of a crash in goes rne neeare— at the scene of a crash in goes the needle outcome, the results nave— the needle outcome, the results nave van— the needle outcome, the results nave van nan— the needle outcome, the results have you had less— the needle outcome, the results have you had less than five nonre— have you had less than five hours sleep?— have you had less than five hours sleep? liam one of my eave— hours sleep? liam one of my viewers says, michelle, i was a paneenan— viewers says, michelle, i was a paneenan rar— viewers says, michelle, i was a policeman for 13— viewers says, michelle, i was a policeman for 13 years and i can reu— policeman for 13 years and i can reu van— policeman for 13 years and i can ren van new— policeman for 13 years and i can tell you now, he— policeman for 13 years and i can tell you now, he says police arrreere— tell you now, he says police officers accidents driving officers had accidents driving none— officers had accidents driving none are— officers had accidents driving home after night shift because home after a night shift because new— home after a night shift because anew-ea— home after a night shift because anew-ea nren.— home after a night shift because anew-ea nren. r— home after a night shift because they so tired. i imagine they were so tired. i imagine rr-e— they were so tired. i imagine rr-e nar— they were so tired. i imagine rr-e nar iner— they were so tired. i imagine it's not just police officers were.— it's not just police officers rnere. nan.— it's not just police officers there. liam, do— it's not just police officers there. liam, do you support this eneavanna — there. liam, do you support this endeavour? john— there. liam, do you support this endeavour? 2““ endeavour? john look, i think more people should get more sleep, enough sleep, maybe sleep, get enough sleep, maybe a blood politicians. they blood test for politicians. they can't take a decision unless they've had five hours sleep or more. i do think more. and i think i do think a lot of accidents are caused on motorways people motorways by by by people nodding attention. nodding off, losing attention. i've of vehicles that are i've heard of vehicles that are going devices that see going to have devices that see if on the road and if your eye stay on the road and watch you're blinking test watch you're blinking and test your attention . this blood test, your attention. this blood test, i think good . if it's a

i think good. if it's a deterrent, if people realise they shouldn't when they shouldn't drive when they're tired , take rests, they they're tired, take rests, they should that. i think they're tired, take rests, they should that. ithink all they're tired, take rests, they should that. i think all of should do that. i think all of us should do that. i think all of ne nave— should do that. i think all of us have experience- should do that. i think all of us have experience of- 2 22» i think all of us have experience of driving a bit us have experience of driving a err-enen— us have experience of driving a bit-often-we've- us have experience of driving a bit often we've been a bit too often when we've been a bit too often when we've been a arr-nren.— bit too often when we've been a arr-nren. r-ve— bit too often when we've been a bit-tired, i've done- bit too often when we've been a bit tired, i've done it and bit too tired, i've done it and i bit too tired, i've done it and r-rr— bit too tired, i've done it and r-rr re— bit too tired, i've done it and i it is dangerous. /2». 22» i think it is dangerous. you do need— i think it is dangerous. you do need ra— i think it is dangerous. you do need an enen— i think it is dangerous. you do need to stop driving and yeah, but it's hard though, isn't it? because there'll be so many neopre— because there'll be so many peande.—rnev-rel people. jacqueline they're warning— working two, three jobs to provide— working two, three jobs to provide-kids.- working two, three jobs to- provide-kids. there'll provide for their kids. there'll be someone-i- provide for their kids. there'll be someone i don't know. be someone else. i don't know. rner— be someone else. i don't know. rner-a— be someone else. i don't know. wed-amid.— be someone else. i don't know. just-a-kid. and- be someone else. i don't know. just-a-kid. and you. just had a new kid. and you earn— just had a new kid. and you ready-deep- just had a new kid. and you really sleep when you've just had a new kid. and you reala sleep when you've just had a new kid. and you reala baby. sleep when you've just had a new kid. and you reala baby. someone en you've just had a new kid. and you reala baby. someone that's 've got a baby. someone that's pernane— got a baby. someone that's nernane gar— got a baby. someone that's perhaps got insomnia as well. i wnar— perhaps got insomnia as well. i mean, what are— perhaps got insomnia as well. i mean, what are those people not anawed— mean, what are those people not allowed—well,- mean, what are those people notl allowed—well, probably allowed to drive? well, probably like you know, young like you, you know, young children. ever children. i mean, do you ever get a night's sleep? you know, i've got friends who now whose daughters twins. i think daughters had twins. i think they're think they about they're i think they get about an they feed the an hour and then they feed the twins i this is i'm twins again. i think this is i'm not i think they need to not sure i think they need to focus on drink and drugs because they certainty . we know they are a certainty. we know they are a certainty. we know the sort of issues they're of course, best if you can course, it's best if you can have a decent night's sleep before you set off in the car. but got to look but then you've also got to look at from my point of view, it's becoming more and more intrusive

about people actually about what people are actually doing then you doing in the car. and then you get the legal issues. you know, you get the lawyers piling in, then, to prove that then, you know, to prove that somebody was tied. did they have five for some people , you five hours for some people, you know, four hours sleep is fine , know, four hours sleep is fine, but other people need nine hours sleep. so i think it's really rather a non—starter . and as rather a non—starter. and as i said, i think they need to focus on those that we do know . i on those that we do know. i mean, we've got things going on like people with cars, with like people with in cars, with guns, know , driving by. i guns, you know, driving by. i think the police have got enough on plate, frankly, me on their plate, frankly, me without looking at this. without even looking at this. and as they said, the police officer, you know, you work in shifts i shifts. i've worked shifts. i was former crew. sometimes you didn't know what country you were in. i think, when you came back, graeme saux says, i was back, graeme le saux says, i was a professional hgv, one driver for years, like for over 30 years, like my father. yeah. he says, for over 30 years, like my father . yeah. he says, you father. yeah. and he says, you ger— father. yeah. and he says, you never get enough— yeah. and he says, you never get enough sleep doing anar— never get enough sleep doing we job— never get enough sleep doing rnar ran .— never get enough sleep doing that job . yeah.— never get enough sleep doing that job . yeah. who's this ? jay that job. yeah. who's this? jay eave— that job. yeah. who's this? jay says, unfortunately, i'm rernnre— says, unfortunately, i'm terrible at— says, unfortunately, i'm terrible at sleeping, but ultimately, _ terrible at sleeping, but ultimately, he says he doesn't know— ultimately, he says he doesn't know now— ultimately, he says he doesn't know how many— ultimately, he says he doesn't know how many hours he sleeps in

the know how many hours he sleeps in we rnndee— know how many hours he sleeps in we rnndee .— know how many hours he sleeps in we rnndee . dr— know how many hours he sleeps in the turtles . or how— know how many hours he sleeps in the turtles . or how does he know the turtles. or how does he know wnerner— the turtles. or how does he know wnerner ne— the turtles. or how does he know whether he can— the turtles. or how does he know whether he can drive or not? neaee— whether he can drive or not? neaee dre— whether he can drive or not? because it's quite a precise reen— because it's quite a precise reer. nne— because it's quite a precise reer. rnre. nw— because it's quite a precise test. this, by the way, he says it test. this, by the way, he says n nrgnr— test. this, by the way, he says rr nrgnr nave— test. this, by the way, he says it might have to— test. this, by the way, he says it might have to been his neenee— it might have to been his neenee n— it might have to been his licence if he— it might have to been his licence if he comes in and get his licence if he comes in and get nre rneene— licence if he comes in and get nre ra— licence if he comes in and get his missus to drive. i'm sure ene-d— his missus to drive. i'm sure ene-d deve— his missus to drive. i'm sure she'd love that— his missus to drive. i'm sure she'd love that airdrie anne, wnar— she'd love that airdrie anne, wnar arena— she'd love that airdrie anne, what about people like me? i annn— what about people like me? i rnrnk nee— what about people like me? i rnrnk ne-e gar— what about people like me? i think he's got insomnia, he eave— think he's got insomnia, he eave-ne- think he's got insomnia, he says. be penalised? says. would i be penalised? wen.— says. would i be penalised?- wed—aernanv. well, yeah, you would actually, if well, yeah, you would actually, n—eraen.— well, yeah, you would actually, if - crash, that - well, yeah, you would actually, if crash, that would if you had a crash, that would be ane— if you had a crash, that would be the outcome— if you had a crash, that would be the outcome of this blood reer. — be the outcome of this blood reer. -eave— be the outcome of this blood test. _says this- be the outcome of this blood test-says this is- be the outcome of this blood test. says this is all test. carole says this is all aver-ran— test. carole says this is all aver-ran .— test. carole says this is all over-top . what- test. carole says this is all over top . what this test. carole says this is all- over-top . what-this world over the top. what is this world coming— over the top. what is this world coming ree— over the top. what is this world coming to? michelle well, this caning— coming to? michelle well, this coming from — coming to? michelle well, this coming from canada, by the way, is coming from canada, by the way, re rnre— coming from canada, by the way, re rnre deer— coming from canada, by the way, is this test australia? australia.— is this test australia? australia. well,- is this test australia? australia. well, they've gone. they've gone rather strange in australia and canada with some of the things that they do to control the population. well, don't even get me 2 well, don't even get me started on anar— don't even get me started on we ne— don't even get me started on we nne— don't even get me started on that one. the nation will weane— that one. the nation will breathe _of- that one. the nation will breathe of relief that one. the nation will- breathe _of relief because breathe a sigh of relief because i'm breathe a sigh of relief because r-n nar— breathe a sigh of relief because r-n nar gang— breathe a sigh of relief because i'm not going myself i'm not going to restart myself up i'm not going to restart myself nan-cowo— i'm not going to restart myself nn-covrn au— i'm not going to restart myself up-covid all over- i'm not going to restart myself up covid all over again. up about covid all over again. someone's just— up about covid all over again. someone's just pointed out the verv— someone's just pointed out the very eenane— someone's just pointed out the very serious-crash- someone's just pointed out the very serious crash that very serious train crash that nannened— very serious train crash that happened-driver. very serious train crash that. happened-driver fell happened when the driver fell aereen— happened when the driver fell. asleep—50 asleep at the wheel as well. so wean.— asleep at the wheel as well. so yeahr rneee— asleep at the wheel as well. so yeah, these things— asleep at the wheel as well. so yeah, these things have serious repercussions. that's all repercussions. look, that's all r-ve—vanl i've got time for. thank you verv— i've got time for. thank you very nnen.— i've got time for. thank you very much,-your. very much, john, for your company.— very much, john, for your company- rank— very much, john, for your company. jack for very much, john, for your- company. jack-for yours, company. jack eileen for yours, rea- — company. jack eileen for yours, we. end— company. jack eileen for yours, rea- and of— company. jack eileen for yours, too. and of course,— company. jack eileen for yours, too. and of course, at home too. and of course, you at home for

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the first few hours at least. but cloud and showers in but the cloud and the showers in the do migrate eastwards the west do migrate eastwards and they'll bubble up widely with , again, some slow moving, with, again, some slow moving, lively downpours and some thunderstorms. temperatures up to the mid to high teens, generally , perhaps a degree or generally, perhaps a degree or so cooler compared with tuesday, but not much in it. and where we do get some sunny spells, it will feel warm, high uv at this time of year when the sun does come out. but into the evening, well, that's when we see the cloud really break up as drier and clearer air arrives for a time. one exception towards the west, the weather will continue to be fairly cloudy with some further showers. and the northeast of scotland continuing to the low cloud and the to see the low cloud and the mist, especially near the beaches. then thursday morning starts off with spells of cloud and showers working their way from the west. some more prolonged rain for a time for northern ireland, for example. and then by the afternoon again , it's a mixture of sunny spells and hefty downpours with thunderstorm aims in 1 or 2

spots. friday's showers mostly confined to the south. drier and brighter conditions arrive from the north for the start of the weekend .

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