gb news. well a very good afternoon, everybody. it's patrick christys here— everybody. it's patrick christys here for— everybody. it's patrick christys here for ee— everybody. it's patrick christys here for gb news.— everybody. it's patrick christys here for gb news. i— ”g : it's patrick christys here for gb news. i will be with you— here for gb news. i will be with you ee— here for gb news. i will be with you as fer— here for gb news. i will be with you as ever for the— here for gb news. i will be with you as ever for the next three heue. — you as ever for the next three he hue— you as ever for the next three hours. but here— you as ever for the next three hours. but here is— you as ever for the next three hours. but here is what i've got in the— hours. but here is what i've got in he hexe— hours. but here is what i've got in the next 60— hours. but here is what i've got in the next 60 minutes and we go in the next 60 minutes and we go in whh— in the next 60 minutes and we go in whh the— in the next 60 minutes and we go in with the archbishop wading in. in with the archbishop wading h. -heh-e— in with the archbishop wading h-heh-e he— in with the archbishop wading in. isn't he saying that in. welby isn't he saying that he— in. welby isn't he saying that he hwehee— in. welby isn't he saying that this rwanda scheme, illegal this rwanda scheme, the illegal mhereheh— this rwanda scheme, the illegal migration essentially migration bill, is essentially hhehereh— migration bill, is essentially hhehereh e— migration bill, is essentially immoral .7 so— migration bill, is essentially immoral .7 so should we abolish immoral? so should we abolish the—hereee— immoral.7 so should we abolish the-lords.7 should- the house of lords? should the arehhhehee— the house of lords? should the arehhhehee-ef- the house of lords? should the archbishop of politics? archbishop stay out of politics? in archbishop stay out of politics? h ether— archbishop stay out of politics? in other news,— archbishop stay out of politics? in other news, though, prince harry.— in other news, though, prince harry-ehee-e— in other news, though, prince harry. that's right. he's harry. yes, that's right. he's beeh— harry. yes, that's right. he's heeh h— harry. yes, that's right. he's back in court.— harry. yes, that's right. he's back in court. not for that. back in court. no, not for that. hheee— back in court. no, not for that. these bombshell— back in court. no, not for that. these bombshell revelations just keep— these bombshell revelations just keep-hem— these bombshell revelations just keep-hem hie— these bombshell revelations just keep from his court case, keep coming from his court case, he— keep coming from his court case, he ehhe— keep coming from his court case, this time against— keep coming from his court case, this time against the mirror group— this time against the mirror group newspapers. they've eeehegheee— group newspapers. they've apologised find out group newspapers. they've- apologised-find out what apologised to him. find out what for apologised to him. find out what her her— apologised to him. find out what her he he—

apologised to him. find out what for later this hour— apologised to him. find out what for later this hour ._ apologised to him. find out what for later this hour . and we're for later this hour. and we're mevhe— for later this hour. and we're mevhe eh— for later this hour. and we're moving on from— for later this hour. and we're moving on from that now. yes. ehey— moving on from that now. yes. ehey se— moving on from that now. yes. ehey se heh— moving on from that now. yes. okay so keir starmer, he is refuehe— okay so keir starmer, he is refuehe ee— okay so keir starmer, he is refusing to rule— okay so keir starmer, he is refusing to rule out a lib dem heheur— refusing to rule out a lib dem labour coalition— refusing to rule out a lib dem labour coalition but what would this labour coalition but what would he really— labour coalition but what would this really mean— labour coalition but what would this really mean ?_ labour coalition but what would this really mean ? and do we this really mean? and do we ehhh— this really mean? and do we ehhh h-e— this really mean? and do we think it's genuinely on the eereee— think it's genuinely on the cards? could— think it's genuinely on the cards? could brexit be at stake 7 cards? could brexit be at stake ehhe— cards? could brexit be at stake ehhe hy— cards? could brexit be at stake ehhe by the— cards? could brexit be at stake ? and by the way,— cards? could brexit be at stake ? and by the way, as well, tom hehweee— ? and by the way, as well, tom heeweee he— ? and by the way, as well, tom harwood is going— ? and by the way, as well, tom harwood is going to join me in he— harwood is going to join me in just e— harwood is going to join me in just e eeehee— harwood is going to join me in just a second to— harwood is going to join me in just a second to tell you some eeehhhe— just a second to tell you some startling revelations about that eeeh— startling revelations about that brexit bonfire _ startling revelations about that brexit bonfire of— startling revelations about that brexit bonfire of eu law . brexit bonfire of eu law. spoiler— brexit bonfire of eu law. spoiler alert,- brexit bonfire of eu law. spoiler alert, it's not happening- spoiler alert, it's not happening -- spoiler alert, it's not happening . and finally this hour happening. and finally this hour as happening. and finally this hour ee heu— happening. and finally this hour ee weh ,— happening. and finally this hour ee weh , hume— happening. and finally this hour as well , trump witchhunt now as well, trump witchhunt now vehem— as well, trump witchhunt now oehehe hume— as well, trump witchhunt now oehehe heme ,— as well, trump witchhunt now donald trump, of as well, trump witchhunt now donald trump , of course, was donald trump, of course, was feuhe— donald trump, of course, was fehhe gene— donald trump, of course, was found guilty of— donald trump, of course, was found guilty of a— donald trump, of course, was found guilty of a sexual eeeeuh— found guilty of a sexual assault. he's- found guilty of a sexual assault. he's ordered to pay eemeeee— assault. he's ordered to pay eemeeee-eue- assault. he's ordered to pay damages-but is- assault. he's ordered to pay damages but is it the damages there. but is it the wheh— damages there. but is it the wheh huhe— damages there. but is it the witch hunt that— damages there. but is it the witch hunt that been witch hunt that he's been eehhhe— witch hunt that he's been talking about?— witch hunt that he's been talking about? this case was hreuehe— talking about? this case was heeughelhhh — talking about? this case was brought-him a— talking about? this case was brought him a couple of brought to him a couple of eeeeeee— brought to him a couple of decades after— brought to him a couple of decades after event itself. brought to him a couple of dethat s after event itself. brought to him a couple of dethat s afterdo event itself. brought to him a couple of dethat s afterdo you ant itself. brought to him a couple of dethat s afterdo you think?hlf. is that right, do you think? heeheh— is that right, do you think? heeheh-eh- is that right, do you think? heeheh-eh .- is that right, do you think? patrick-on . gb. is that right, do you think?- patrick-on . gb news? patrick christys on. gb news? hm — patrick christys on. gb news? hm going— patrick christys on. gb news? hm going ee— patrick christys on. gb news? i'm going to have loads more. in mee— i'm going to have loads more. in feet, m— i'm going to have loads more. in feet, m mee— i'm going to have loads more. in feet, m mee e— i'm going to have loads more. in fact, in just a few— i'm going to have loads more. in fact, in just a few moments hme— fact, in just a few moments hme, hm— fact, in just a few moments time, i'm also— fact, in just a few moments time, i'm also going to be talking— time, i'm also going to be eehhme ee— time, i'm also going to be talking to lawrence fox about andrew— talking to lawrence fox about andrew bridgen _ talking to lawrence fox about andrew bridgen joining the remem— reclaim party. that should be meereehme— reclaim party. that should be. interesting,_emails interesting, but get your emails eemme— interesting, but get your emails eemme m— interesting, but get your emails eemme m-eme— interesting, but get your emails coming in and fast. gb coming in thick and fast. gb viewe— coming in thick and fast. gb views gbnews.uk. in light of

views or gbnews.uk. in light of the monumental— views or gbnews.uk. in light of the monumental that our the monumental battle that our eevemmem—eeel the monumental battle that our government get that government is having to get that illegal—through. illegal migration bill through the illegal migration bill through ehe heme— illegal migration bill through the lords, should we abolish the heme—the— the lords, should we abolish the lords the archbishop lords and should the archbishop eeeh— lords and should the archbishop eeey-ef— lords and should the archbishop stay - of politics? _ stay out of politics? vaiews@gbnews.uk now though, stay out of politics?— vaiews@gbnews.uk now though, as your vaiews@gbnews.uk now though, as yem-.— vaiews@gbnews.uk now though, as yem-. — vaiews@gbnews.uk now though, as yem-. hemm— vaiews@gbnews.uk now though, as your-. patrick thank- your headlines. patrick thank you. good afternoon . here's your you. good afternoon. here's your top stories from the newsroom at 3:01, the publisher of the mirror has unreservedly apology ties to the duke of sussex for unlawful , full information unlawful, full information gathering at the start of a high court trial over alleged phone hacking. mirror group newspapers admitted that prince harry's legal challenge warrants compensation. the tabloid also promised the behaviour would never be repeated . other high never be repeated. other high profile claimants involved in the trial include former girls aloud singer cheryl. the estate of george michael and footballer ian wright . of george michael and footballer ian wright. the of george michael and footballer ian wright . the archbishop of ian wright. the archbishop of canterbury has condemned the government's illegal migration bill in a rare intervention in the house of lords. the

controversial legislation aims to detain and promptly remove people who arrive in the uk in small boats. it also looks to limit the ability of the european court of human rights to prevent the deportation of asylum seekers. downing street says the bill is compassionate and fair, but the most reverend justin welby says it treats migrants as invaders. it is a siloed bill, not a whole- g : it is a siloed bill, not a whole of gevemmem— siloed bill, not a whole of government bill. it does not mew— government bill. it does not have m— government bill. it does not draw in conflict— government bill. it does not draw in conflict management and mevemheh— draw in conflict management and mevemhem ,— draw in conflict management and prevention , which— draw in conflict management and prevention , which drives prevention, which drives mhgmheh— prevention, which drives mhgreheh .— prevention, which drives migration . it- prevention, which drives migration . it does not draw in migration. it does not draw in ehmeee— migration. it does not draw in climate impact— migration. it does not draw in climate impact s,— migration. it does not draw in climate impact s, which drive mhereheh— climate impact s, which drive migration and— climate impact s, which drive migration and conflict . it is migration and conflict. it is isolationist— migration and conflict. it is isolationist ._ migration and conflict. it is isolationist. it— migration and conflict. it is isolationist. it is morally unacceptable— isolationist. it is morally unacceptable ,- isolationist. it is morally unacceptable , foul and unacceptable, foul and politically— unacceptable, foul and politically impractical . michael politically impractical. michael weh— politically impractical. michael meh, fermer— politically impractical. michael well, former trade secretary hem— well, former trade secretary hem heter— well, former trade secretary lord peter lilley_ well, former trade secretary lord peter lilley has told gb heme— lord peter lilley has told gb heme the— lord peter lilley has told gb news the house— lord peter lilley has told gb news the house of lords has no ephem— news the house of lords has no eehem hm— news the house of lords has no eeheh hm ee— news the house of lords has no option but to pass— news the house of lords has no option but to pass the bill. c option but to pass the bill. it mu— option but to pass the bill. it mu have— option but to pass the bill. it mu have e— option but to pass the bill. it will have a tough— option but to pass the bill. it will have a tough time,- option but to pass the bill. it will have a tough time, but it will have a tough time, but it will get through because if the lords were to stop the measures to stop the boat people, that

would be the end of the house of lords. then it would commit meme.— lords. then it would commit emehee. the— lords. then it would commit suicide. the public- : then it would commit suicide. the public wouldn't eeehe— suicide. the public wouldn't eeehe mee— suicide. the public wouldn't stand that. and— suicide. the public wouldn't stand that. and you can watch the stand that. and you can watch me mu— stand that. and you can watch the full exclusive— stand that. and you can watch the full exclusive interview whh — the full exclusive interview whh hem — the full exclusive interview with lord peter— the full exclusive interview with lord peter lilley at 6 pm. on with lord peter lilley at 6 pm. eh smeey— with lord peter lilley at 6 pm. eh emeey em— with lord peter lilley at 6 pm. on sunday on gloria meets sir hem— on sunday on gloria meets sir hem semmer— on sunday on gloria meets sir keir starmer has— on sunday on gloria meets sir keir starmer has criticised mehh— keir starmer has criticised rishi sunak,_ keir starmer has criticised rishi sunak, saying he no longer has rishi sunak, saying he no longer hee e— rishi sunak, saying he no longer has a mandate— rishi sunak, saying he no longer has a mandate to— rishi sunak, saying he no longer has a mandate to run the eeumm— has a mandate to run the eeumm — has a mandate to run the country. that's- has a mandate to run the country. that's in- has a mandate to run the country. " �*" country. that's in the first prime minister's questions since the local elections in england. the conservative party lost control of 48 councils and more than 1000 council seats , while than 1000 council seats, while the labour party gained more than 500. the prime minister defended the result, saying a general election holds far more significance . but the labour significance. but the labour leader insisted he's lost the confidence of voters up and down the country. last year he lost a tory— the country. last year he lost a tory hemm— the country. last year he lost a tory beauty contest— the country. last year he lost a tory beauty contest to- thin. last year he lost a tory beauty contest to the member— tory beauty contest to the member rer— tory beauty contest to the member for south—west norfolk , member for south—west norfolk, whe— member for south—west norfolk, whe rheh — member for south—west norfolk, whe rheh heer— member for south—west norfolk, who then lost to _ member for south—west norfolk, who then lost to a— member for south—west norfolk, who then lost to a lettuce hemme— who then lost to a lettuce lettuce. last— who then lost to a lettuce lettuce. last week, when he rmehy— lettuce. last week, when he finally eeme— lettuce. last week, when he finally came into contact with eerer— finally came into contact with eerer he— finally came into contact with voters, he lost— finally came into contact with voters, he lost everywhere where no voters, he lost everywhere where he merrer— voters, he lost everywhere where he merrer whe— voters, he lost everywhere where no matter who the _ voters, he lost everywhere where no matter who the electorate is, the no matter who the electorate is, me rhme— no matter who the electorate is,

the prime minister— no matter who the electorate is, the prime minister keeps emerme— the prime minister keeps emerme e— the prime minister keeps entering a two horse race and eeh— entering a two horse race and somehow finishing third . given somehow finishing third. given his somehow finishing third. given hre meek— somehow finishing third. given his track record _ somehow finishing third. given his track record ,_ somehow finishing third. given his track record , who does he his track record, who does he rhmh— his track record, who does he rhmh he-e— his track record, who does he think he's actually got a meheere— think he's actually got a mandate from - think he's actually got a mandate from ? mr shh.” mandate from? mr mr speaker, it's mandate from? mr mr speaker, we r— mandate from? mr mr speaker, it's a bit rich to hear about mandates from the person who's broken every single promise . he broken every single promise. he was elected on. i mean, go through the list. mr speaker. nationalisations nhs outsourcing, universal credit and now tuition fees . outsourcing, universal credit and now tuition fees. he outsourcing, universal credit and now tuition fees . he was, outsourcing, universal credit and now tuition fees. he was, mr speaken and now tuition fees. he was, mr speaker, he was for them all before he was against them. he's not he's not just a softie. he's the flaky to rip . republican the flaky to rip. republican congressman— the flaky to rip. republican congressman jorge- ” republican congressman jorge santos has eeeh— congressman jorge santos has been eheeee— congressman jorge santos has been placed in— congressman jorge santos has been placed in us custody after heme— been placed in us custody after being ehergee— been placed in us custody after being charged with fraud and mehey— being charged with fraud and money laundering. the justice heeerrmem— money laundering. the justice department says— money laundering. the justice department says the 34 year old reed— department says the 34 year old reee eemeereh— department says the 34 year old used campaign funds to purchase eeereher— used campaign funds to purchase designer clothes— used campaign funds to purchase designer clothes and pay off eereeheh— designer clothes and pay off personal debt— designer clothes and pay off personal debt ._ designer clothes and pay off personal debt . mr santos also personal debt. mr santos also ehegeehy— personal debt. mr santos also allegedly applied for unemployment money while being employed— unemployment money while being employed me— unemployment money while being employed and running for cehgreee.— employed and running for congress. he's— employed and running for

congress. he's expected to appear— congress. he's expected to appear m— congress. he's expected to appear in court— congress. he's expected to appear in court in new york rarer— appear in court in new york he m— appear in court in new york later in pakistan, almost 1000 ereeerrere— later in pakistan, almost 1000 ereeerrere er— later in pakistan, almost 1000 supporters of the— later in pakistan, almost 1000 supporters of the former prime where.— supporters of the former prime minister, imran_ supporters of the former prime minister, imran khan, have been erreeree— minister, imran khan, have been erreeree emee— minister, imran khan, have been arrested since clashes with eehee— arrested since clashes with eehee hegeh— arrested since clashes with police began yesterday . the police began yesterday. the rermer— police began yesterday. the former cricketer— police began yesterday. the former cricketer was arrested by anti—corruption— former cricketer was arrested by anti—corruption police and local meme— anti—corruption police and local media ere— anti—corruption police and local mee he— anti—corruption police and local media are now reporting his rermer— media are now reporting his former secretary—general has ehee— former secretary—general has ehee eeeh— former secretary—general has also been taken— former secretary—general has also been taken into custody . also been taken into custody. erer— also been taken into custody. erer reo— also been taken into custody. over 130 police— also been taken into custody. over 130 police officers have eeeh— over 130 police officers have been injured— over 130 police officers have been injured 25— over 130 police officers have been injured 25 police vehicles here— been injured 25 police vehicles here eeeh— been injured 25 police vehicles have been set— been injured 25 police vehicles have been set alight and dozens of have been set alight and dozens er geremmem— have been set alight and dozens of government buildings looted in of government buildings looted m rhe— of government buildings looted m rhe punjab— of government buildings looted in the punjab province . a in the punjab province. a eherrry— in the punjab province. a eherhr re— in the punjab province. a charity is warning poor diabetes eeehe— charity is warning poor diabetes care could be— charity is warning poor diabetes care could be linked to more men— care could be linked to more men moo— care could be linked to more than 7000 excess— care could be linked to more than 7000 excess deaths in mehehe— than 7000 excess deaths in rhghehe heer— than 7000 excess deaths in england last year. diabetes uk says— england last year. diabetes uk says rhe— england last year. diabetes uk says me figure— england last year. diabetes uk says the figure is— england last year. diabetes uk says the figure is 13% higher rheh— says the figure is 13% higher than pre—pandemic levels and eeehe— than pre—pandemic levels and eeehe he— than pre—pandemic levels and eeehe he ere— than pre—pandemic levels and could be due to— than pre—pandemic levels and could be due to the backlog in reurme— could be due to the backlog in reurme eere— could be due to the backlog in routine care ._ could be due to the backlog in routine care . the— could be due to the backlog in routine care . the charity has routine care. the charity has ehee— routine care. the charity has ehee reme— routine care. the charity has also found less— routine care. the charity has also found less than half of how— also found less than half of heee eeeehe— also found less than half of 11,000 people living with the eeherrreh— 11,000 people living with the condition have— 11,000 people living with the condition have received all of rhe— condition have received all of me heeeeeery— condition have received all of the necessary checks over the peer— the necessary checks over the peer ewe — the necessary checks over the peer rwe yee — the necessary checks over the past two years. you're up to

eere— past two years. you're up to me eh— past two years. you're up to me eh eh— past two years. you're up to date on gb news now it's back to . eemeh— . patrick us- . patrick us . . patrick. us . very . patrick- us . very good . patrick us . very good afternoon, us. very good afternoon, everybody. it's patrick christys here with you for the next three hours and we start with some very strong words from the archbishop of canterbury has archbishop of canterbury who has once the once again attacked the government's policy. once again attacked the govearchbishop policy. once again attacked the govearchbishop said policy. once again attacked the govearchbishop said in policy. once again attacked the govearchbishop said in the policy. once again attacked the govearchbishop said in the house the archbishop said in the house of lords that it is morally unacceptable the unacceptable to leave the poorest countries to deal with the problem . it's the third time the problem. it's the third time in just over a year that justin welby has hit out at the government's plans to solve the small crisis . this bill small boats crisis. this bill fails utterly to take a long term and strategic view of the challenges of migration and undermines international cooperation rather than taking an opportunity for the uk to show leadership as we did in 1951. even if this bill

succeeded _ 1951. even if this bill succeeded in- ”ea; even if this bill succeeded in temporarily ereeeme— succeeded in temporarily stopping the_ succeeded in temporarily stopping the boats , and i don't stopping the boats, and i don't rhmh— stopping the boats, and i don't rhmh h— stopping the boats, and i don't think it will,— stopping the boats, and i don't think it will, it— stopping the boats, and i don't think it will, it won't stop eemhe— think it will, it won't stop conflict or— think it will, it won't stop conflict or climate migration. rhe— conflict or climate migration. rhe rrcc— conflict or climate migration. the ipcc fourth— conflict or climate migration. the ipcc fourth forecasts that ehmere — the ipcc fourth forecasts that climate change _ the ipcc fourth forecasts that climate change by itself, let ehehe— climate change by itself, let ehehe rhe— climate change by itself, let alone the conflicts it's already eemehe— alone the conflicts it's already eemehe .— alone the conflicts it's already causing . rhu— alone the conflicts it's already causing, will lead to at least eee— causing, will lead to at least eee mhheh— causing, will lead to at least 800 million more refugees a year in here— 800 million more refugees a year in rereh by— 800 million more refugees a year in total by 2050. _ 800 million more refugees a year in total by 2050. |_ 800 million more refugees a year in total by 2050. i urge the geremmem— in total by 2050. i urge the government to _ in total by 2050. i urge the government to reconsider much of the government to reconsider much of me hhh— government to reconsider much of me hhh whreh— government to reconsider much of the bill which fails— government to reconsider much of the bill which fails to live up to the bill which fails to live up he em— the bill which fails to live up he hrerery— the bill which fails to live up to our history ,_ the bill which fails to live up to our history , our moral to our history, our moral responsibility— to our history, our moral responsibility ,- to our history, our moral responsibility , and our responsibility, and our eehrreehy— responsibility, and our politically ,- responsibility, and our politically , our political and politically, our political and international— politically, our political and international interests . �*fhhigc international interests. well, the international interests. well, rhe emehe— international interests. well, the emails are— international interests. well, the emails are already flooding in thick and fast on this. it opens up a few points of discussion for us, doesn't it? should the archbishop just stay out of politics? mean, at the out of politics? i mean, at the end the day, the numbers of end of the day, the numbers of people attending church of england around the england services around the country steep decline. he country are in steep decline. he got catastrophically got it catastrophically wrong when the lockdowns when it came to the lockdowns and people without and allow people to go without worship for a very,

worship in person for a very, very long period of time . some very long period of time. some would argue he needs to get his own house order before he own house in order before he starts government starts dishing out on government policy. wider policy. there is the wider discussion about the house of lords isn't there? lords in general, isn't there? and are they getting too involved legislation? should involved in legislation? should they are they they be scrapped or are they just fulfilling their duty really indeed the checking really as indeed the checking chamber? but our deputy political editor tom harwood joins me now. tom what appeared to me there to be. yeah, okay. an attack on this bill from the archbishop. but no real solutions. no, it's interesting . there are different there are different approaches . there are different approaches being— . there are different approaches being here— . there are different approaches being here eur— . there are different approaches being laid out in— there are different approaches being laid out in the house of here— being laid out in the house of heree er— being laid out in the house of heree er rhe— being laid out in the house of lords at the moment. being laid out in the house of lords at the moment . there were lords at the moment. there were we here— lords at the moment. there were we here re— lords at the moment. there were we here he eer— lords at the moment. there were we have to say that— lords at the moment. there were we have to say that the archbishop _ we have to say that the archbishop didn't go as far as, for archbishop didn't go as far as, her eremehe— archbishop didn't go as far as, for example, lord— archbishop didn't go as far as, for example, lord pannick of the lib for example, lord pannick of the he heme— for example, lord pannick of the he heme rhe— for example, lord pannick of the lib dems who wanted to throw out the lib dems who wanted to throw out me hhh— lib dems who wanted to throw out me hhh rh— lib dems who wanted to throw out me em in he— lib dems who wanted to throw out the bill in its entirety just in welbvr— the bill in its entirety just in welby, seemed— the bill in its entirety just in welby, seemed to be backing the heheer— welby, seemed to be backing the heheer herr— welby, seemed to be backing the labour party position, indeed, erererhe— labour party position, indeed, praising contributions from heheer— praising contributions from labour members in the house of herde— labour members in the house of heme. saying— labour members in the house of lords, saying that— labour members in the house of lords, saying that this needs to be lords, saying that this needs to he emeheee— lords, saying that this needs to be amended in— lords, saying that this needs to be amended in pretty fundamental rere— be amended in pretty fundamental were ere— be amended in pretty fundamental were me me— be amended in pretty fundamental were me he he— be amended in pretty fundamental ways and this is following the rrereh—

ways and this is following the rrereh er— ways and this is following the vision of the— ways and this is following the vision of the house of lords as a vision of the house of lords as e rerreee— vision of the house of lords as e rerreee king— vision of the house of lords as a revised king chamber. in fact, heme— a revised king chamber. in fact, heree re— a revised king chamber. in fact, heree re ee— a revised king chamber. in fact, lords is one of— a revised king chamber. in fact, lords is one of the— a revised king chamber. in fact, lords is one of the spokes eeeehe— lords is one of the spokes eeeehe rer— lords is one of the spokes people for the— lords is one of the spokes people for the labour party was eemhe— people for the labour party was eerrhg rher— people for the labour party was eerrhg rher rhe— people for the labour party was saying that the position of the heme— saying that the position of the heeee er— saying that the position of the house of lords— saying that the position of the house of lords would undermine rreeh— house of lords would undermine heeh rrhere — house of lords would undermine itself where it— house of lords would undermine itself where it to _ house of lords would undermine itself where it to throw the hhh— itself where it to throw the em eer— itself where it to throw the em eer rh— itself where it to throw the bill out in its— itself where it to throw the bill out in its entirety . and bill out in its entirety. and here— bill out in its entirety. and they're pushing for all these emerem— they're pushing for all these different amendments in a way her— different amendments in a way her rhe— different amendments in a way that the government would eeeehhe — describe as fundamentally undermining— describe as fundamentally undermining the bill in the her— undermining the bill in the me eheee. — undermining the bill in the first place. yeah. and when i reek— first place. yeah. and when i heeh er— first place. yeah. and when i look at some— first place. yeah. and when i look at some-the- first place. yeah. and when i look at some the opinion look at some of the opinion polling— look at some of the opinion polling-0n— look at some of the opinion polling-on the- look at some of the opinion polling on the rwanda scheme, polling on on the rwanda scheme, so polling on on the rwanda scheme, ee—eheer— polling on on the rwanda scheme, ee—eheer rher— so this is just about that eemeh— so this is just about that notion sending people to notion of sending people to rerehee— notion of sending people to rwanda, basically 47% of the eeehe— rwanda, basically 47% of the public supported the rwanda eerhem— public supported the rwanda eerhem preh— public supported the rwanda asylum plan, compared to 26% who eeeeeee. — asylum plan, compared to 26% who eeeeeee. se— asylum plan, compared to 26% who eeeeeee. se rerr— asylum plan, compared to 26% who opposed. so very nearly- opposed. so very nearly a majority of people are supporting it. there's a lot of don't knows in there. and when you look at it like that and then it's been proposed through then it's been proposed through the commons and it's through the commons and it's got through the commons and it's got through the commons, then it gets to the lords actually, should people like the archbishop be standing up and having strong up and having such strong opposition it opposition to it and blocking it or trying to block it and knocking it back? i mean, you could legitimately say it is

against of the people. against the will of the people. well, exactly what the well, this is exactly what the heme— well, this is exactly what the heme-hee- well, this is exactly what the home-has been. well, this is exactly what the- home-has been pointing well, this is exactly what the h0iand has been pointing well, this is exactly what the h0iand indeed, has been pointing well, this is exactly what the h0iand indeed, the. been pointing well, this is exactly what the h0iand indeed, the newn pointing well, this is exactly what the h0iand indeed, the new justice ng to. and indeed, the new justice eeerererr— to. and indeed, the new justice eeerererr hee— to. and indeed, the new justice secretary has pointing to secretary has been pointing to in secretary has been pointing to rh-rher— secretary has been pointing to rh-rher rher- secretary has been pointing to in that they co—wrote in an article that they co—wrote eremrehr— in an article that they co—wrote eremrehr rr— in an article that they co—wrote overnight it and— in an article that they co—wrote overnight it and they used this three— overnight it and they used this three .— overnight it and they used this ehreee . rhe— overnight it and they used this phrase , the will— overnight it and they used this phrase , the will of the people phrase, the will of the people rrhhrh — phrase, the will of the people rrhhrh mer— phrase, the will of the people within that article when talking eheer— within that article when talking eheer rhe— within that article when talking about the importance of stopping the about the importance of stopping rhe eeehe— about the importance of stopping rhe heere ere— about the importance of stopping the boats and this— about the importance of stopping the boats and this illegal mrererreh— the boats and this illegal migration bill— the boats and this illegal migration bill and that phrase, the migration bill and that phrase, rhe rrh— migration bill and that phrase, rhe rrhh er— migration bill and that phrase, the will of the— migration bill and that phrase, the will of the people is an rmeerrem— the will of the people is an important thing— the will of the people is an important thing because the heme— important thing because the heeee er— important thing because the house of lords— important thing because the house of lords and the members of house of lords and the members er rhe— house of lords and the members er me here— house of lords and the members of the house of— house of lords and the members of the house of lords need to rememerh er— of the house of lords need to remember at all— of the house of lords need to remember at all times they are the unelected_ remember at all times they are the unelected-the- remember at all times they are the unelected the house the unelected house. the house of the unelected house. the house er—eeeremeer- the unelected house. the house er—eeeremeer i the unelected house. the house. of_supremacy . and of commons has supremacy. and ehhmehehr— of commons has supremacy. and ehrrmerehr. h— of commons has supremacy. and ultimately, if the _ of commons has supremacy. and ultimately, if the house of here— ultimately, if the house of heree eeee— ultimately, if the house of lords goes too— ultimately, if the house of lords goes too far in its amendments,- lords goes too far in its amendments, or indeed in trying to amendments, or indeed in trying re stop— amendments, or indeed in trying re eree hhhe— amendments, or indeed in trying to stop bills like— amendments, or indeed in trying to stop bills like this , the to stop bills like this, the here— to stop bills like this, the heeee er— to stop bills like this, the house of commons could use eemerhrhe— house of commons could use something called— house of commons could use something called the parliament act something called the parliament aer .— something called the parliament aer . ahe— something called the parliament aer . me me— something called the parliament act . and that means that the act. and that means that the here— act. and that means that the heeee er— act. and that means that the house of lords— act. and that means that the house of lords could be disregarded— house of lords could be disregarded in all of its amendments. the house of commons eeehe—rh- could simply put this bill in rhe— could simply put this bill in me king's— could simply put this bill in the king's speech. this would eeher— the king's speech. this would eeher h— the king's speech. this would eeher h hr— the king's speech. this would delay it by around a year, but mer— delay it by around a year, but her eeehe— delay it by around a year, but they could ride— delay it by around a year, but they could ride it— delay it by around a year, but they could ride it through with no they could ride it through with he herde— they could ride it through with no lords amendments. now ehrreeehr— no lords amendments. now obviously that's— no lords amendments. now obviously that's an unguided eheeheh— obviously that's an unguided situation because it delays this

yet situation because it delays this rer eeeh— situation because it delays this rer again rer— situation because it delays this yet again yet another summer of rh— yet again yet another summer of rh rhe— yet again yet another summer of crises in the channel. but it is a nuclear option— crises in the channel. but it is a nuclear option for the government— a nuclear option for the government should this bill be rmeee— government should this bill be heeee re— government should this bill be ripped to shreds— government should this bill be ripped to shreds in the lords rrhere— ripped to shreds in the lords rrhere her-e— ripped to shreds in the lords where let's not— ripped to shreds in the lords where let's not forget there is her— where let's not forget there is her e— where let's not forget there is not a conservative party met-ermr— not a conservative party met-ermr e — not a conservative party majority ? \rh'jnhh�* not a conservative party majority ? \rhinrh not a conservative party- majority ? now this is exactly majority? now this is exactly what i wanted to talk to you about because people might about because some people might be is there be thinking, well, why is there such a hold up in lords? we such a hold up in the lords? we look the composition of the look at the composition of the house we think, house of commons and we think, well, there's a majority there for conservatives. that's for the conservatives. that's why arguably it could get to the lords first place. why lords in the first place. so why is composition the house is the composition of the house of different? is of lords so different? what is that composition? it's that composition? well, it's incredibly different. there are hundreds, for— incredibly different. there are hundreds, for example,- t: r: “this“. there are hundreds, for example, of lib dem — hundreds, for example, of lib dem peere— hundreds, for example, of lib dem peers now.— hundreds, for example, of lib dem peers now. there are only a meme— dem peers now. there are only a hemheh er— dem peers now. there are only a handful of lib— dem peers now. there are only a handful of lib dem— dem peers now. there are only a handful of lib dem mps. but when the handful of lib dem mps. but when he rrh— handful of lib dem mps. but when me he heme— handful of lib dem mps. but when the lib dems entered the ceehrreh— the lib dems entered the coalition government in 2010, a huge— coalition government in 2010, a huge hemerh— coalition government in 2010, a huge number of— coalition government in 2010, a huge number of lib dem peers were made. and— huge number of lib dem peers were made. and of course, if you heme— were made. and of course, if you heeeme e— were made. and of course, if you become a member— were made. and of course, if you become a member of the house of herde— become a member of the house of heree reere— become a member of the house of lords, you're there— become a member of the house of lords, you're there for life, hehre— lords, you're there for life, right? indeed,— lords, you're there for life, right? indeed, there are also merr— right? indeed, there are also mehr .— right? indeed, there are also mehr . merr— right? indeed, there are also many , many labour party peers many, many labour party peers ere— many, many labour party peers ehelheee— many, many labour party peers andlhuge number— many, many labour party peers and huge number of and a huge number of crossbenchers as well, people rrhe— crossbenchers as well, people rrhe ee— crossbenchers as well, people

who are non—affiliated within the who are non—affiliated within me here— who are non—affiliated within me heeee er— who are non—affiliated within the house of lords. and then you get the house of lords. and then you eeh rhe— the house of lords. and then you eee rhe eemhe— the house of lords. and then you get the couple of— the house of lords. and then you get the couple of dozen bishops ere— get the couple of dozen bishops ehe rehereee— get the couple of dozen bishops and religious representatives as eeh.— and religious representatives as rreh. se— and religious representatives as rreh. se rhe— and religious representatives as well. so the hundred couple of eeheerrerrre— well. so the hundred couple of conservative peers— well. so the hundred couple of conservative peers are massively eememheree— conservative peers are massively eememheree hr— conservative peers are massively outnumbered by the other parties and outnumbered by the other parties ehe rheee— outnumbered by the other parties and those with— outnumbered by the other parties and those with no— outnumbered by the other parties and those with no party. ' r: and those with no party. and so we ere— and those with no party. and so we end up— and those with no party. and so we end up he— and those with no party. and so we end up h e— and those with no party. and so we end up in a situation. thank you, tom, for this. by the way, our deputy political editor. easy for me to say, but you end up in a situation, don't you, a bit like this, where a government with a massive majority from the public, elected by the public with a policy nearly policy that nearly nearly a majority, 47% at the last count of the british support of the british public support trying something through of the british public support tryiilords something through of the british public support tryiilords and;omething through of the british public support tryiilords and the ething through of the british public support tryiilords and the lords, through of the british public support tryiilords and the lords, which h the lords and the lords, which is outnumbered with a is massively outnumbered with a load and labour load of lib dems and labour supporters and in this case bishops as well keep bishops as well can keep knocking that back and potentially delay it for up to a yeah potentially delay it for up to a year, forcing government year, forcing the government maybe some kind of maybe to use some kind of nuclear is that nuclear option. is that right? is democracy? we think is that democracy? do we think we'll be now? gb news we'll be now? is gb news presenter and crucially in this instance, reverend, reverend calvin robinson. calvin, thank you much. i will to you very much. i will stick to the religious of this the religious elements of this with you if that's okay. should the archbishop canterbury be

the archbishop of canterbury be getting policy getting involved in a policy like this ? that's not the way he like this? that's not the way he is, but not for the reasons that tom just said. the archbishop of cemetery— tom just said. the archbishop of canterbury shouldn't— tom just said. the archbishop of canterbury shouldn't be- r: the archbishop of canterbury shouldn't be caring eheer—rhe— canterbury shouldn't be caring about the people. about the will of the people. rhe— about the will of the people. he her— about the will of the people. he he hrs— about the will of the people. it's not his business.- about the will of the people. it's not his business. what the will people is the lords will of the people is the lords spiritual house of spiritual are in the house of lords to offer a moral perspective on the laws that are being passed the houses being passed through the houses of parliament. so of course the arehhrehee— of parliament. so of course the arehhrehee er— 37�*51 so of course the archbishop of canterbury should be looking at laws from a three— be looking at laws from a biblical—and. be looking at laws from ai biblical—and to be looking at laws from a- biblical_and to see biblical perspective and to see if her— biblical perspective and to see if her ee— biblical perspective and to see if they are morally good or bad. hee— if they are morally good or bad. hee-erehhem— if they are morally good or bad. but-problem-is- if they are morally good or bad. but-problem-is that. but the problem there is that he's judging this as bad. and i would say what's actually happening here is we have people traffickers, we drug traffickers, we have drug smugglers. we lots of smugglers. we have lots of horrible shipping people horrible people shipping people dangerously over the channel. so we should be, first of all, stopping the illegal smugglers. and secondly, but more importantly , protecting importantly, protecting the vulnerable people that are coming over illegally . we should coming over illegally. we should be safer avenues for be providing safer avenues for that to happen. and this is what the rwanda is all about. the rwanda scheme is all about. it's about stopping that it's all about stopping that illegal across the illegal migration across the channel. so it's a moral good actually , let me for want of

actually, let me for want of a better phrase in light of what we're talking about now. play devil's advocate, calvin,- devil's advocate, calvin, heee— devil's advocate, calvin, because welby devil's advocate, calvin,i because -welby is devil's advocate, calvin,- because -welby is maybe because if justin welby is maybe rehhe— because if justin welby is maybe rehhe er— because if justin welby is maybe rehhg er reee— because if justin welby is maybe taking at face value , what you taking at face value, what you eeehe — taking at face value, what you eeehe eer— taking at face value, what you eeehe eer re— taking at face value, what you could say is that— taking at face value, what you could say is that his comments meeh-he— could say is that his comments mean-he wants— could say is that his comments mean-he wants a- could say is that his comments mean he wants a world mean that he wants a one world eeereeeh— mean that he wants a one world eeereeeh-ee- mean that he wants a one world eeereeeh-ee ere- mean that he wants a one world approach go and help approach where we go and help erer— approach where we go and help eree wer— approach where we go and help stop war, famine— approach where we go and help stop war, famine and environmental disasters. all eeehe— environmental disasters. all ereehe rhe— environmental disasters. all around the world. and then that rher— around the world. and then that means that we— around the world. and then that means that we don't have this rrher— means that we don't have this influx-people — means that we don't have this influx people coming across influx of people coming across mem— influx of people coming across hem mer— influx of people coming across from that perspective. is that her— from that perspective. is that her rhe— from that perspective. is that not the moral— from that perspective. is that not the moral biblical view to here— not the moral biblical view to here e — not the moral biblical view to here e he.— not the moral biblical view to have ? n0, there's- not the moral biblical view to have ? \rh'fn g have? no, there's nothing biblical about a one world approach that sounds like revelation . that sounds like end revelation. that sounds like end times, where to avoid one world government. and this is one of the reasons voted against the the reasons i voted against the eu and i don't the wef and eu and i don't like the wef and the where he right is the who. where he is right is that we should be challenging these situations at home. so where illegal where are these illegal immigrants coming we immigrants coming from? we should to help them should be looking to help them and them so can help and support them so we can help them rebuild their own country so feel they so they don't feel like they have leave their country and have to leave their country and come ours. but borders and come to ours. but borders and nafions come to ours. but borders and nations are god ordained nations come to ours. but borders and natihtribesz god ordained nations come to ours. but borders and natihtribes are d ordained nations come to ours. but borders and natihtribes are not'dained nations come to ours. but borders and natihtribes are not'de'badi nations come to ours. but borders and natihtribes are not'de'bad thing.is and tribes are not a bad thing. they're thing. and

they're a good thing. and actually, patrick, i just got back just over actually, patrick, i just got brweek just over actually, patrick, i just got brweek lovely, just over actually, patrick, i just got brweek lovely, lovely st over a week ago. lovely, lovely country, hills, really country, beautiful hills, really hospitable and they're hospitable people. and they're looking forward to welcoming people their country. so if people to their country. so if people to their country. so if people think that own people think that their own country good enough or is country is not good enough or is there's some situation that they can't stay their own country can't stay in their own country and want to get out, why and they want to get out, why would be a good would rwanda not be a good choice? yeah, indeed. and eemehe— choice? yeah, indeed. and actually,-bishopl choice? yeah, indeed. andi actually,-bishop of actually, the arch bishop of rerehee— actually, the arch bishop of heeme-re- actually, the arch bishop of rwanda-is okay. actually, the arch bishop of rwanda is okay with rwanda actually is okay with me— rwanda actually is okay with me eeher— rwanda actually is okay with me eeher .— rwanda actually is okay with me eeher. he— rwanda actually is okay with this policy. he is a refugee. hee— this policy. he is a refugee. he-e rerr— this policy. he is a refugee. he's very himself. he's a refugee— he's very himself. he's a refugee himself. and he thinks mer— refugee himself. and he thinks me me— refugee himself. and he thinks that this would _ refugee himself. and he thinks that this would be absolutely rrhe— that this would be absolutely hee. se— that this would be absolutely hhe. se r— that this would be absolutely fine. so i think— that this would be absolutely fine. so i think that is an rmereerrhe— fine. so i think that is an interesting element to be had here.— interesting element to be had here. eovrh— interesting element to be had here. covm is— interesting element to be had here. covid is there actually a eheee— here. covid is there actually a eheee rer— here. covid is there actually a place for bishops— here. covid is there actually a place for bishops in the house of place for bishops in the house er hereee— place for bishops in the house of lords? because— place for bishops in the house of lords? because as they will erehehhr— of lords? because as they will erehehhr ther— of lords? because as they will erehehhr teer eer— of lords? because as they will probably just say that anything that probably just say that anything he mer— probably just say that anything me her ee— probably just say that anything that they are saying is down to hem— that they are saying is down to their interpretation of the here— their interpretation of the hrhhe ere— their interpretation of the bible and i— their interpretation of the bible and i suppose that gives rhem— bible and i suppose that gives rhem eeehe— bible and i suppose that gives rhem eerre e— bible and i suppose that gives them quite a lot— bible and i suppose that gives them quite a lot of power. i rrhh— them quite a lot of power. i mean, with respect, the reason why— mean, with respect, the reason rrhr re— mean, with respect, the reason rrhr rre ee— mean, with respect, the reason why we are focussed so much on mehe— why we are focussed so much on here rrehhr— why we are focussed so much on justin welby now— why we are focussed so much on justin welby now is— why we are focussed so much on justin welby now is because the heheer— justin welby now is because the heheer herr— justin welby now is because the heheer herrr er— justin welby now is because the labour party or the liberal hemeerere— labour party or the liberal democrats can— labour party or the liberal democrats can now say exactly rrher— democrats can now say exactly rrher herr— democrats can now say exactly what barry gardiner said this what barry gardiner said on this rerr— what barry gardiner said on this rerr-eerher— what barry gardiner said on this very-earlier.today. what barry gardiner said on this very-earlier.today ,i very channel earlier on today, rrhreh— very channel earlier on today, rrhreh-em—

very channel earlier on today, rrhreh-em r— very channel earlier on today, which-am i going- very channel earlier on today, which am i going to look which is who am i going to look to which is who am i going to look re—rere— which is who am i going to look re—rere re— which is who am i going to look re—rere re h- which is who am i going to look to_for? is it going. which is who am i going to look to for? is it going to to my morals for? is it going to be to my morals for? is it going to he eeehe— to my morals for? is it going to be suella braverman or is it going— be suella braverman or is it goinglbe_ be suella braverman or is it goinglbe rhe— be suella braverman or is it going be the bishops? and going to be the bishops? and i rhrhh— going to be the bishops? and i rhrhh r— going to be the bishops? and i rhrhh r merr— going to be the bishops? and i think i know the— going to be the bishops? and i think i know the answer that. think i know the answer to that. me— think i know the answer to that. and-welby— think i know the answer to that. and-welby hee— think i know the answer to that. and welby has allowed and justin welby has allowed me— and justin welby has allowed rher— — and justin welby has allowed that_ lshould. and justin welby has allowedj that_ lshould be and justin welby has allowed- that_ lshould be the that to happen. it should be the bishops that we look for moral guidance from, should guidance from, and they should be scripture the be rooted in scripture. the problem right here problem we have right here is that you have these woke liberal, progressive bishops who are at societal are looking more at societal norms. this idea that, norms. and this idea that, oh, of borders should be of course our borders should be open should welcome open and we should be welcome for regardless for everyone to come regardless of the amount of resources or regardless whetherthat's regardless of whether that's helpful the nation and helpful or not to the nation and to people coming to the to the people coming to the nation. that's the fact of nation. that's the sad fact of the is that justin welby the matter is that justin welby and what i would and his peers are what i would call but other people call woke, but other people might progressives might call liberal progressives and they should looking for and they should be looking for their in bible and their answer in the bible and not friends around their answer in the bible and not theirfriends around their answer in the bible and not their fellow around their answer in the bible and not their fellow etonians, who them. their fellow etonians, who say, of course it's say, you know, of course it's a great thing. let's denounce conservative policy the conservative policy because the conservatives are wicked and bad. that's mistake. and it bad. that's a mistake. and it means people are no longer means that people are no longer going the bishops for going to look at the bishops for moral guidance they're moral guidance because they're not okay. look, not offering it. okay. look, eehrrh— not offering it. okay. look, eehrrh-rerr- calvin, thank you very, very meeh. — calvin, thank you very, very much. -calvin- calvin, thank you very, very much. calvin robinson, much. this calvin robinson, rhere— much. this calvin robinson, here he— much. this calvin robinson, here he eh— much. this calvin robinson, there is gb news much. this calvin robinson,-

there is gb news-and there is gb news presenter and hereremh— there is gb news presenter and hereremhlem— there is gb news presenter and reverend, am going back now reverend, i am going back now to rem— reverend, i am going back now to heme-er— reverend, i am going back now to heme-er eeeerr- tom harwood, our deputy eehrreeh— political editor, because, tom, vou— political editor, because, tom, yer—hr- political editor, because, tom, ree—hrr er- you have a little bit of hreehhe— you have a little bit of breaking news for us. absolutely. _ breaking news for us. absolutely. in - breaking news for us. absolutely. in the- breaking news for us. absolutely. in the last minute, a ministerial statement a written ministerial statement has by by the has been published by by the trade confirming trade secretary confirming a pretty u—turn by pretty fundamental u—turn by this government what is known this government on what is known as retained and eu law bill. as the retained and eu law bill. what this means in plain english is that unlike the bill as described by jacob rees—mogg when it down before the when he laid it down before the house of commons, it was meant to rid of those remaining to get rid of those remaining 3 to get rid of those remaining 3 to 4000 pieces of eu law that are still on our statute books . are still on our statute books. it meant to sunset them and it was meant to sunset them and get off our statute books get them off our statute books by the 31st of december, the government has changed its mind. now that is no longer happening. instead of thousands of eu laws being washed away by the end of the year, only around, i understand, 5 to 600 of them will be got rid of with thousands remaining on our statute books many years after we've left the european union. how significant is this, tom? rhre— how significant is this, tom? rhre hee— how significant is this, tom? this has literally— how significant is this, tom? this has literally just dropped herr— this has literally just dropped now, how significant is this rheh— now, how significant is this her her—

now, how significant is this then for brexiteers? is it in herme— then for brexiteers? is it in rerme er— then for brexiteers? is it in rerme er e— then for brexiteers? is it in terms of a government u—turn? is it terms of a government u—turn? is h h— terms of a government u—turn? is h h reeme— terms of a government u—turn? is h h rerme er— terms of a government u—turn? is it in terms of just— terms of a government u—turn? is it in terms of just how will it eheer— it in terms of just how will it eheer eer— it in terms of just how will it affect our day— it in terms of just how will it affect our day to— it in terms of just how will it affect our day to day lives? weh— affect our day to day lives? well brexiteers— affect our day to day lives? well brexiteers will be fundamentally by this fundamentally concerned by this tree— fundamentally concerned by this heee er— fundamentally concerned by this because of course— fundamentally concerned by this because of course one of the rher— because of course one of the concerns that brexiteers have is me— concerns that brexiteers have is that-opportunities- concerns that brexiteers have is that opportunities of brexit that the opportunities of brexit here— that the opportunities of brexit here-rer— that the opportunities of brexit here-yer heeh— that the opportunities of brexit have yet been seized. �*frhhi; have not yet been seized. we here— have not yet been seized. we have-european- have not yet been seized. we have european union. have left the european union. there is a little bit more friction between trading between the and the uk. now the continent and the uk. now that's on the bad side of the ledger, but the good side of the ledger, but the good side of the ledger things we ledger was the things that we could the laws could do differently, the laws that change, the that we could change, the opportunities we could opportunities that we could seize. fact that this seize. the fact is that this government is now reducing its ambition on that side of the ledger only removing and changing a few hundred of those eu laws instead of several thousand of those eu laws. why? what i understand is this is about capacity and time. the civil service say going through all of those laws would take too much time by the end of the year and it would be too labour intensive. now, of course, we've had this discussion even before on gb news. i've interviewed

jacob rees—mogg about it and he says that this is really sour grapes from the civil service , grapes from the civil service, that they should be going through the every single one of these laws. and it's not an impossible task, but it does seem that the civil service does say that this is going to be too much work to do by the end of the year. the fear, however, for brexiteers is that if this parliament, with its conservative majority, doesn't get these eu laws, they get rid of these eu laws, they may well remain on our statute books forever either because if they pass new parliament, they pass to a new parliament, perhaps with a different composition house of composition of the house of commons, there'd be no impetus to them. that arguably to change them. that arguably eeehe— to change them. that arguably rreehe ereeerhr— to change them. that arguably would properly be— tg that arguably would properly be brexit in name emr.— would properly be brexit in name emr—err— would properly be brexit in name emr—err ereer- would properly be brexit in name only._any steer-tol only. do we have any steer as to rrher— only. do we have any steer as to rrher here— only. do we have any steer as to rrher here ee— only. do we have any steer as to what laws are going— only. do we have any steer as to what laws are going to be left. so what laws are going to be left. se r— what laws are going to be left. so i understand— what laws are going to be left. so i understand that_ what laws are going to be left. so i understand that each- so i understand that each department has made their representations to the new business and trade department to have which laws that they want specifically on the face of the bill, the way it's changing is that on the face of the bill, instead of this line saying all eu fall away by the eu laws will fall away by the end of year, they will end of the year, they will specify in name which eu laws

will fall so instead of will fall away. so instead of all of those falling away, apart from are from those which are specifically retained and it will be all of them retained apart from those that are specifically a massive specifically we have a massive debate those individual debate on those individual laws. so this something we're so is this something that we're going— so is this something that we're eeme—rhe— so is this something that we're going-the heeee- so is this something that we're going the house of going to see in the house of eemmehe— going to see in the house of commons now— going to see in the house of commons now this is just going to commons now this is just going re eemrhere— commons now this is just going to dominate or— commons now this is just going to dominate or you— commons now this is just going to dominate or you can't get rid of to dominate or you can't get rid er-ree— to dominate or you can't get rid er-ree eeh-r- to dominate or you can't get rid er-ree eeh-r eer- to dominate or you can't get rid of-you can't get rid. of that law. you can't get rid of that law. you can't get rid er rher. — of that law. you can't get rid of that. -certainly- of that law. you can't get rid of that. certainly are. " of that. we certainly are. this is of that. we certainly are. this re eereehr— of that. we certainly are. this is actually something that the house lords been pretty house of lords has been pretty vocal in the last few months, vocal on in the last few months, saying they want more saying that they want more legislative this legislative scrutiny for this process. parliament, process. so now the parliament, because on because these laws will be on the face of the bill, there will be less legislative scrutiny for each of these individual single law these hundreds law for each of these hundreds of be of laws. there will be legislative scrutiny, grief, right. well, we're legislative scrutiny, grief, right.forell, we're legislative scrutiny, grief, right. for the we're legislative scrutiny, grief, right.for the next we're legislative scrutiny, grief, right.for the next six we're legislative scrutiny, grief, right.for the next six months. doing for the next six months. rheh— doing for the next six months. rheh eheerhr. — doing for the next six months. then clearly. thank you very meeh. — then clearly. thank you very meeh. rh— then clearly. thank you very meeh. h e— then clearly. thank you very much. in a way,— then clearly. thank you very much. in a way, i'll much. in a way, tom, i'll see you— much. in a way, tom, i'll see ree rh— much. in a way, tom, i'll see ree rh-herr— much. in a way, tom, i'll see you in-next hour.- much. in a way, tom, i'll see you in next hour. hopefully you in the next hour. hopefully mere-h— you in the next hour. hopefully there'll.some_ you in the next hour. hopefully there'll some good news there'll be some good news amher— there'll be some good news anywayr rher-e— there'll be some good news anyway, that's definitely tom hemeee— anyway, that's definitely tom harwood that_ anyway, that's definitely tom harwood that that is the hreehhe— harwood that that is the- breaking—back harwood that that is the- breaking_back to breaking news. he'll be back to hem— breaking news. he'll be back to rem-mer— breaking news. he'll be back to rehh-rher ee— breaking news. he'll be back to talk-that as we- breaking news. he'll be back to talk that as we more talk about that as we get more here. — talk about that as we get more here. rhehh— talk about that as we get more info. thank you— talk about that as we get more info. thank you very, much, talk about that as we get more info. right. you very, much, talk about that as we get more info. right. okay.3ry, much, talk about that as we get more info. right. okay. so much, talk about that as we get more info. right. okay. so now much, talk about that as we get more info. right. okay. so now the ch, tom. right. okay. so now the heeherm — tom. right. okay. so now the heeherm herr— tom. right. okay. so now the reclaim party has got its first he.— reclaim party has got its first here-mehe— reclaim party has got its first

mp. right. andrew bridgen mp. that's right. andrew bridgen has mp. that's right. andrew bridgen hee joined—he- mp. that's right. andrew bridgen has joined—he was- has joined them after he was hered— has joined them after he was hehee-hr— has joined them after he was kicked by conservatives. kicked out by the conservatives. i kicked out by the conservatives. r—re— kicked out by the conservatives. r—re heereheel i will be talking to laurence rer— i will be talking to laurence her-mie—

politically, our political and international interests . international interests. well less than a month after andrew bridgen was kicked out by the conservatives, he's now joined a new party and made history at the same time. actually, he's become the heeherm — actually, he's become the reclaim party's very first mp. nowr _ reclaim party's very first mp. herr hrreeeh— reclaim party's very first mp. now, bridgen was expelled by the heme— now, bridgen was expelled by the rehee erer— now, bridgen was expelled by the tories after he— now, bridgen was expelled by the tories after he appeared to eeeehhe— tories after he appeared to describe the— tories after he appeared to describe the vaccine rollout as the describe the vaccine rollout as me hreeeer— describe the vaccine rollout as the biggest crime— describe the vaccine rollout as the biggest crime against hemehhr— the biggest crime against humanity since the holocaust. now— humanity since the holocaust. herr hheeeh— humanity since the holocaust. now, bridgen criticised his old party— now, bridgen criticised his old perry rrher— now, bridgen criticised his old perry when he— now, bridgen criticised his old party when he spoke to gb news ereeemer— party when he spoke to gb news presenter andrew— party when he spoke to gb news presenter andrew pierce . it's presenter andrew pierce. it's a here— presenter andrew pierce. it's a me her— presenter andrew pierce. it's a little bit earlier— presenter andrew pierce. it's a little bit earlier on today. i hereh-r— little bit earlier on today. i haven't lost— little bit earlier on today. i haven't lost my— little bit earlier on today. i haven't lost my conservative values. i think the conservative party currently find party currently i find unrecognisable . i would unrecognisable. i would challenge you, andrew, as as the great tory boy. you are too, to tell me one conservative thing this government has achieved with an 80 seat majority by with an 80 seat majority is by far conservative far the least conservative government i've ever served in, and i think it's huge

and i think it's a huge opportunity lost. think the opportunity lost. i think the conservative party lost its conservative party has lost its way it longer is relatable way. it no longer is relatable to the hopes and aspirations of the people, and i think parliament has lost its way and we seem to have a uni party. there's no real opposition. and what we do know is that anyone that speaks out against the narrative, as i have done, will be cancelled . we i believe we be cancelled. we i believe we should have a parliament that legislates for the people. what we've now got is a parliament that that creates problems for the people and that can't be tolerated . we need to reclaim tolerated. we need to reclaim our democracy. andrew well , our democracy. andrew well, there we go. he was talking to amher— there we go. he was talking to andrew pierce— there we go. he was talking to andrew pierce earlier- “hi"hi; gin he was talking to andrew pierce earlier on shini; gin he was talking to andrew pierce earlier on on to rhe— andrew pierce earlier on on to rhe herm— andrew pierce earlier on on to the point now,— andrew pierce earlier on on to the point now, the— andrew pierce earlier on on to the point now, the leader of the heeherm — the point now, the leader of the heeherm herr— the point now, the leader of the reclaim party is,— the point now, the leader of the reclaim party is, of course, heerehee her.— reclaim party is, of course, laurence fox, who is a gb laurence fox, who is yes, a gb here— laurence fox, who is yes, a gb here ereeerher— laurence fox, who is yes, a gb news presenter, and he joins me rme— news presenter, and he joins me me here— news presenter, and he joins me now. and there-is. _ news presenter, and he joins me now. and there is. good now. and there he is. good ereh. — now. and there he is. good ereh. se— now. and there he is. good stuff. so, laurence, you must be you— stuff. so, laurence, you must be ree meer— stuff. so, laurence, you must be ree meer-heeer— stuff. so, laurence, you must be you must happy man. you you must be a happy man. you here— you must be a happy man. you here eer— you must be a happy man. you here eeh eh— you must be a happy man. you here eee eh rrh— you must be a happy man. you have got an mp . _ you must be a happy man. you have got an mp . “hing: cr?" you must be a happy man. you have got an mp . “hing: have got an mp. yes. can i just quickly start, patrick, by correcting this constant media report aided narrative that

andrew bridgen in any way compared the rollout of the vaccine to a holocaust. he was indeed quoting a jewish researcher who said that it was the worst thing that happened since the greatest crime against humanity since the holocaust. and, you know, the problem with the moment is if the media at the moment is if you repeat the same lie often enough, it starts to become the truth. yes, absolutely truth. so, yes, i'm absolutely thrilled has joined thrilled that andrew has joined us. are setting fire to the us. we are setting fire to the middle of england here, and i have offered people and we've worked very , very hard to do worked very, very hard to do this. we're giving people those very people, the very disaffected people, the silent . we're giving silent majority. we're giving you chance now to support you a chance now to support andrew bridgen in his war against the conservative party who are trying to deprive north—west leicestershire of their mp so do you think their own mp so do you think he's got much of a chance of remaining as north west leicestershire's mp then ? leicestershire's mp then? because obviously as you well merr— because obviously as you well know, sometimes— because obviously as you well know, sometimes the smaller eemee— know, sometimes the smaller eemee rrher— know, sometimes the smaller parties when push comes to shove and parties when push comes to shove me he— parties when push comes to shove me he ther— parties when push comes to shove and it's just people— parties when push comes to shove and it's just people in there parties when push comes to shove and theirist people in there parties when push comes to shove and their pencil ple in there parties when push comes to shove and their pencil in; in there parties when push comes to shove and their pencil in a n there parties when push comes to shove and their pencil in a ballot at rhe— and their pencil in a ballot at me polling— and their pencil in a ballot at the polling booth, sometimes mer— the polling booth, sometimes her her— the polling booth, sometimes her the ge— the polling booth, sometimes rher the re rer— the polling booth, sometimes they just go for what they know, eeh-r— they just go for what they know, eeh-r-ahe —

they just go for what they know, eeh-r-ahe rh— they just go for what they know, don't-and in this- they just go for what they know, don't and in this case, don't they? and in this case, rrher—he- don't they? and in this case, rrher—he rhe| what they know will be the rehee. — what they know will be the tories. well,— what they know will be the tories. well, mean, if you tories. well, i mean, if you reek— tories. well, i mean, if you heehlrhe— tories. well, i mean, if you look-the council- tories. well, i mean, if you look the council results in look at the council results in herrh—rreer— north—west leicestershire. amher— north—west leicestershire. andrew-absolutelyl north—west leicestershire. i andrew-absolutely . north—west leicestershire. - andrew-absolutely . he andrew bridgen absolutely. he did this information to did not want this information to become clear at this point, which is we've to move which is why we've had to move things forward. andrew bridgham which is why we've had to move things fto vard. andrew bridgham which is why we've had to move things fto campaignzw bridgham which is why we've had to move things fto campaign as bridgham wanted to campaign as a conservative because he is a conservative because he is a conservative and the reclaim party have interest in the party have no interest in the politics in that way. what we want andrew bridgen to want is for andrew bridgen to continue to serve his constituency not have the constituency and not have the conservative party deprive his constituents of the best mp. they've ever had. okay so what kind of ticket will he be standing on then? well, what is what standing on then? well, what is rrherlreeeherm— standing on then? well, what is what-reclaim all— standing on then? well, what is what-reclaim all about- standing on then? well, what is what-reclaim all about ?- what is reclaim all about? heeherm — what is reclaim all about? heeherm re— what is reclaim all about? reclaim is all— what is reclaim all about? reclaim is all about saying the hinge— reclaim is all about saying the hinge mer— reclaim is all about saying the things that are— reclaim is all about saying the things that are common sensical mer— things that are common sensical rher ererree— things that are common sensical that everyone already knows. rme— that everyone already knows. and he— that everyone already knows. and it's about— that everyone already knows. and it's about oversaw- that everyone already knows. and it's about oversaw stepping these absolutely supernatural and super national organisations like the who. and the european union and the climate lobby who who are bringing in policies which have absolute nothing to do with what we voted for. you know, we have enough problems in

this country without having to go on some perilous pursuit of net zero. the climate crisis is an absolute is a fabrication in the same way as the pandemic was . and we also are going to be very strong on borders. you cannot have a welfare state with open borders it absolutely open borders. it is absolutely impracticable . so we're going to impracticable. so we're going to be saying the things that every normal sensical normal minded common sensical britain acas and we're britain thinks acas and we're going them in going to be saying them in parliament we're going be parliament and we're going to be saying bridgen. saying them with andrew bridgen. okay. obviously my saying them with andrew bridgen. okay. on obviously my saying them with andrew bridgen. okay. on this obviously my saying them with andrew bridgen. okay. on this are obviously my saying them with andrew bridgen. okay. on this are pretty sly my saying them with andrew bridgen. okay. on this are pretty welliy views on this are pretty well documented,— views on this are pretty well documented,-for- views on this are pretty well documented, for the sake of documented, but for the sake of it, documented, but for the sake of n.-r— documented, but for the sake of h-r ee— documented, but for the sake of h-r ee here- documented, but for the sake of it,-i do have to- documented, but for the sake of it,-i do have to ask. it, lawrence, i do have to ask you,— it, lawrence, i do have to ask your r— it, lawrence, i do have to ask your r meeh— it, lawrence, i do have to ask your r ee— it, lawrence, i do have to ask you, i mean, do you think that mere-e— you, i mean, do you think that rhere-e err— you, i mean, do you think that there's any potential pushback rrher— there's any potential pushback rrheh-hheeeh- there's any potential pushback when bridgen takes when andrew bridgen takes to his feet when andrew bridgen takes to his reerlrhe— when andrew bridgen takes to his feet-the-commons,. feet in the house of commons, herrhe— feet in the house of commons, herrhe ree— feet in the house of commons, having you know,— feet in the house of commons, having you know, had a bit of a hemerh— having you know, had a bit of a hemerh eere— having you know, had a bit of a number done on— having you know, had a bit of a number done on him the number done on him by the conservative— number done on him by the conservative -fairl number done on him by the conservative fair to conservative party, it's fair to say,— conservative party, it's fair to save-what— conservative party, it's fair to eer-rrherlhee- conservative party, it's fair to say,-what.has to- conservative party, it's fair to say, what has to say say, will what he has to say eereehr— say, will what he has to say actually have— say, will what he has to say actually have any cut through? weh— actually have any cut through? rreh. herem— actually have any cut through? well, listen, it's— actually have any cut through? well, listen, it's a— actually have any cut through? well, listen, it's a very long process. .three- well, listen, it's a very long process. shinzi; £575 d well, listen, it's a very long- process. .three years ago, i process. it's three years ago, i was on a roof of a hotel bar was sat on a roof of a hotel bar drinking margaritas as an actor. and later, i sat and three years later, i sat watching the first prime minister's question time with a reclaim party in parliament. reclaim party mp in parliament. so it's all up to us guys. it's

up to the people of this country to go. i've put us here. andrew bridgen has put us here and it is up to us to get behind him and support him to innovate that vote. the 10% of the vote in one of the biggest voting of the biggest brexit voting seats and to get seats in the country. and to get everybody because is everybody out because this is your chance. there's so many whatsapp groups, so many twitter things, are things, so many everything. are people change? people saying we need change? this for this is your opportunity for change. behind okay, now change. get behind it. okay, now , look, clearly the tweet that was put out. andrew bridgen has eere— was put out. andrew bridgen has eehe eh— was put out. andrew bridgen has eehe eh rhre— was put out. andrew bridgen has gone on this channel— andrew bridgen has gone on this channel and on reeere— gone on this channel and on record numerous— gone on this channel and on record numerous times and said her— record numerous times and said her he— record numerous times and said that he doesn't— record numerous times and said that he doesn't have access to his that he doesn't have access to he erm— that he doesn't have access to his own twitter— that he doesn't have access to his own twitter account. he erer-r— his own twitter account. he erer-r here— his own twitter account. he didn't have the— his own twitter account. he didn't have the code . so it was didn't have the code. so it was put— didn't have the code. so it was her eer— didn't have the code. so it was her eer rh— didn't have the code. so it was put out in conjunction with his her— put out in conjunction with his local_ association. | local conservative association. rhererere— local conservative association. rhererere h— local conservative association. therefore it was— local conservative association. therefore it was approved by people— therefore it was approved by eeeehe erher— therefore it was approved by people other him . as you've people other than him. as you've hehrhr— people other than him. as you've rrghrhr eemree— people other than him. as you've rightly pointed out— people other than him. as you've rightly pointed out at the top of rightly pointed out at the top er-eherr— rightly pointed out at the top of. show there. - rightly pointed out at the top of show there. he also of the show there. he also says her— of the show there. he also says her he— of the show there. he also says her he-ermehr— of the show there. he also says that he simply quoting that he was simply quoting eereehr— that he was simply quoting actually individual actually a jewish individual eheer— actually a jewish individual eheer eh— actually a jewish individual about all of— actually a jewish individual about all of this. so those are his about all of this. so those are he hhee— about all of this. so those are he hhee h— about all of this. so those are his lines, if that_ about all of this. so those are his lines, if that can result in someone being— his lines, if that can result in someone being booted out of a herreheh— someone being booted out of a herreheh eh— someone being booted out of a national all party,— someone being booted out of a national all party, a major

party,— national all party, a major perry. rhe— national all party, a major party, the party that currently herde— party, the party that currently hehee rhe — party, the party that currently holds the keys— party, the party that currently holds the keys to downing sheer.— holds the keys to downing sheer. ee — holds the keys to downing street, do you— holds the keys to downing street, do you think that is a eeheemrhe— street, do you think that is a concerning thing— street, do you think that is a concerning thing , frankly, for concerning thing, frankly, for the concerning thing, frankly, for me reer— concerning thing, frankly, for me reer er— concerning thing, frankly, for the rest of us— concerning thing, frankly, for the rest of us as— concerning thing, frankly, for the rest of us as well in eeererr— the rest of us as well in eeererr e — the rest of us as well in eeererr e r— the rest of us as well in society ? i think- the rest of us as well in society ? : the rest of us as well in- society ? i think we should be society? i think we should be absolute terrified that matthew hancock, when andrew bridgen is asking very reasonable questions, we're looking at 2600 deaths, excess deaths. this week. that's 20.2. i think it may even be 25.2% above the five year national average. all andrew bridgen wanted to do was ask why. throughout the pandemic we were told that if it saves a single life stick on your silly mask and all this stuff, what about the lives of these families, 2500 families? families, these 2500 families? brother and sisters, husbands and what about their and wives? what about their lives? lives matter? lives? their lives not matter? do to look at what do we not need to look at what happened them? bridgen happened to them? andrew bridgen is questions that happened to them? andrew bridgen is single questions that happened to them? andrew bridgen is single conservativeiat happened to them? andrew bridgen is single conservative or every single conservative or so—called conservative mp should be asking and the treatment that he received at the hands of the absolutely appalling hinckley libellous former health secretary matthew hancock , by secretary matthew hancock, by the way, which we have launched a libel claim today against for

calling him an anti—semite , is calling him an anti—semite, is the most egregious abuse of parliamentary privilege. but fortunately he shared it on twitter, which doesn't allow for parliamentary privilege . and i parliamentary privilege. and i can tell the people of this country, if you want to get behind, if you want to say anything to andrew bridgen in a message of support or you want to matthew hancock to to hold matthew hancock to account, would say go to the account, i would say go to the bad law project, go to the reclaim party, find the link, get behind. we've had the crowdfunder just crowdfunder running for just over we're £10,000 in. over an hour. we're £10,000 in. we are going to hold this government to account. just it's a we do. just a last thing we do. just quickly, lawrence,- g r:hin just quickly, lawrence, one of a last thing we do. just- quickly, lawrence, one of andrew hrreeeh-e— quickly, lawrence, one of andrew bridgen's-key_ quickly, lawrence, one of andrew bridgen's-key-was. bridgen's very key points was me— bridgen's very key points was that-conservative- bridgen's very key points was that conservative that that the conservative party that he eee— that the conservative party that he sees before— that the conservative party that he sees before him today is not the conservative _ he sees before him today is not the conservative party that he joined- — the conservative party that he joined- -rhe— joined. it's not the conservative in his view, conservative party, in his view, mer— conservative party, in his view, rher—rerl that many people voted for. rhererere.— that many people voted for. therefore, - not - that many people voted for. therefore, not shifted therefore, he has not shifted rhe— therefore, he has not shifted rhe eeer— therefore, he has not shifted rhe perry hee— therefore, he has not shifted the party has shifted around him.— the party has shifted around him-rhe- the party has shifted around him.-the case,- the party has shifted around him. the case, surely him. if that is the case, surely vou— him. if that is the case, surely ree meer— him. if that is the case, surely ree meer he— him. if that is the case, surely you must be talking other you must be talking to other tory— you must be talking to other rerr-reher- you must be talking to other tory fancy joining you must be talking to other- tory -fancy joining your tory mps who fancy joining your party— tory mps who fancy joining your perrrlrreh. — tory mps who fancy joining your perrrlrreh. .vou?- party as well. are you? absolutely— party as well. are you? absolutely albie? " absolutely albie? this is just the very, very beginning. all right. okay. well, we won't be

ererrrhe— right. okay. well, we won't be ererrrhe eh— right. okay. well, we won't be drawing on that,— right. okay. well, we won't be drawing on that, but- ” 0 okay. well, we won't be drawing on that, but there we go. drawing on that, but there we 90- herrrehee— drawing on that, but there we go. lawrence, thank you very meeh. — go. lawrence, thank you very much. lawrence— go. lawrence, thank you very much. lawrence fox there is of eh— much. lawrence fox there is of course, gb news— much. lawrence fox there is of course, gb news presenter and of eeereemee-h— course, gb news presenter and of eeereemee-h er— course, gb news presenter and of course,-much at the- course, gb news presenter and of course, much at the top of course, very much at the top of rhe— course, very much at the top of me eee— course, very much at the top of me rree er— course, very much at the top of the tree of the— course, very much at the top of the tree of the reclaim party. now— the tree of the reclaim party. here—rrher- the tree of the reclaim party. i now,_what happens now, we all know what happens eeh-r— now, we all know what happens eeh-r ree— now, we all know what happens now, don't we? it— now, we all know what happens now, don't we? it is important as now, don't we? it is important ee reh— now, don't we? it is important ee eeh-mer— as well to say that pharmaceutical companies are as well to say that_ pharmaceutical companies are not here— pharmaceutical companies are not hereleerehe— pharmaceutical companies are not here defend themselves here to defend themselves and of eeereelrrehh— here to defend themselves and of course,.well,-is- course, as well, there is erreehee— course, as well, there is- evidence _vaccines evidence out there that vaccines are evidence out there that vaccines ere-eeer se— evidence out there that vaccines ere-eeer se re- evidence out there that vaccines are-safe. so we go. - are largely safe. so we go. reem— are largely safe. so we go. right-moving- are largely safe. so we go. right. moving on now. right. okay, moving on now. rhere-e— right. okay, moving on now. rhere-e here— right. okay, moving on now. there's lots more— right. okay, moving on now. there's lots more still to come herrreeh— there's lots more still to come between _4:00. - there's lots more still to come between-4:00. sir. there's lots more still to come between 4:00. sir keir between now and 4:00. sir keir srermer— between now and 4:00. sir keir starmer repeatedly starmer has repeatedly refused to starmer has repeatedly refused re-eer— starmer has repeatedly refused to-out forming— starmer has repeatedly refused to-out forming a- starmer has repeatedly refused to out forming a coalition to rule out forming a coalition eeremmem— to rule out forming a coalition. government,_that government, but what does that say government, but what does that eer—he— government, but what does that eer—he re- government, but what does that eer—he he he- government, but what does that eer—he he he eel say about him? is he is he so ehhhr— say about him? is he is he so shiftvr re— say about him? is he is he so shiftyr he he— say about him? is he is he so shifty, is he so— say about him? is he is he so shifty, is he so flaky? rishi emeh— shifty, is he so flaky? rishi seheh wee— shifty, is he so flaky? rishi sunak was trying to make lot sunak was trying to make a lot of sunak was trying to make a lot er rher— sunak was trying to make a lot er rher eeeh— sunak was trying to make a lot of that stick in— sunak was trying to make a lot of that stick in pmqs earlier sunak was trying to make a lot of tiiit stick in pmqs earlier sunak was trying to make a lot of tii willck in pmqs earlier sunak was trying to make a lot of tii will be n pmqs earlier sunak was trying to make a lot of tii will be speakingearlier sunak was trying to make a lot of tii will be speaking to .ier and i will be speaking to a heeerhe— and i will be speaking to a leading—after. and i will be speaking to a leading—after a| and i will be speaking to a- leading_after a jury leading republican after a jury reme— leading republican after a jury found-donald— leading republican after a jury found donald trump sexually found that donald trump sexually eheeee— found that donald trump sexually eheeeelrremeh— found that donald trump sexually abusedlwoman in— found that donald trump sexually abused woman in the 90s. is abused a woman in the 90s. is it abused a woman in the 90s. is it e rrrreh— abused a woman in the 90s. is it e rrrreh-er— abused a woman in the 90s. is it e rrheh-er re— abused a woman in the 90s. is it a witch-or is it— abused a woman in the 90s. is it a witch-or is it not?- a witch hunt or is it not? but erer.— a witch hunt or is it not? but hrer. rhe— a witch hunt or is it not? but first, it's headlines with herhehr— first, it's headlines with herhehr .— first, it's headlines with bethany . patrick. bethany. patrick. thank you. here-e— bethany. patrick. thank you. here's the latest headlines at 3:30 government plans to remove 4800 eu laws from the uk's statute book by the end of this

year have now been scrapped. and the trade secretary has confirmed that only a few hundred will actually be removed under the retained eu law bill. the decision is being seen by many as a u—turn after the conservatives previously promised to scrap them all concerns over the amount of time required to carry out the transition is set to be behind the decision . the archbishop of the decision. the archbishop of canterbury has urged the government to reconsider much of the illegal migration bill. in a rare intervention in the house of lords . the controversial of lords. the controversial legislation aims to detain and promptly remove people who arrive in the uk in small boats. downing street says the bill is compassionate and fair, but justin welby says it treats migrants as invaders , as the migrants as invaders, as the publisher of the mirror has unreservedly apologised to the duke of sussex for unlawful information gathering at the start of a trial over alleged phone hacking at the high court.

mirror group newspapers admitted that prince harry's legal challenge warrants compensation in the tabloid, also promised the behaviour would never be repeated and the republican congressman jorge santos, has been placed in us custody after being charged with fraud and money laundering . the justice money laundering. the justice department says the 34 year old used campaign funds to purchase designer clothes and pay off personal debt . mr santos also personal debt. mr santos also allegedly applied for unemployment money while being employed and running for congress. he's expected to appearin congress. he's expected to appear in court in new york later . europe you're appear in court in new york later. europe you're up to appear in court in new york later . europe you're up to date later. europe you're up to date on tv, online , dab+ radio and on on tv, online, dab+ radio and on tune in. this is. on tv, online, dab+ radio and on tune in. this is . gb news direct tune in. this is. gb news direct bullion sponsors the finance report on gb news for gold and silver investment . it . back to

silver investment. it. back to patrick silver investment. it. back to eemeh rh— silver investment. it. back to eemeh h e— silver investment. it. back to patrick in a sec— silver investment. it. back to patrick in a sec . _ silver investment. it. back to patrick in a sec . but- silver investment. it. back to patrick in a sec . but first, patrick in a sec. but first, here's a quick snapshot of today's markets. the pound will buy you 1.264, $7 and ,1.1504. the price of gold is £1,610.75 per ounce. and the ftse 100 is at 7732 points. direct bullion sponsors the finance report on gb news for gold and silver investors want . well, labour did investors want. well, labour did well in last week's local elections, didn't they? but the jury elections, didn't they? but the jury is out as elections, didn't they? but the jury re err ee re— elections, didn't they? but the jury is out as to whether- t r: r: " . c'nilfi’ but the jury is out as to whether or not her— jury is out as to whether or not her he— jury is out as to whether or not they did enough— jury is out as to whether or not they did enough to prove that rher-h— they did enough to prove that rher-h rrh— they did enough to prove that rher-h rhh e— they did enough to prove that they'll win a clear majority at rhe— they'll win a clear majority at me her— they'll win a clear majority at the next general— they'll win a clear majority at the next general election. so sir the next general election. so he herr— the next general election. so sir keir starmer— the next general election. so sir keir starmer has repeatedly rereeee— sir keir starmer has repeatedly refused-rule— sir keir starmer has repeatedly refused-rule out— sir keir starmer has repeatedly refused rule out entering refused to rule out entering rme— refused to rule out entering here—rrh- refused to rule out entering into _with the i into a coalition with the mere— into a coalition with the liberal—we. into a coalition with the- liberal_we seem liberal democrats. we seem to remember, though, labour party remember, though, a labour party conference. adamant conference. he was adamant that he—eeehheh- he wouldn't go into coalition rrhh—rrhr- he wouldn't go into coalition rrhh—rrhr re- he wouldn't go into coalition with _why is he i he wouldn't go into coalitioni with _why is he so he wouldn't go into coalition- with _why is he so on with the snp. so why is he so on the with the snp. so why is he so on me here— with the snp. so why is he so on the fence about— with the snp. so why is he so on the fence about the _ with the snp. so why is he so on the fence about the lib dems in horse— the fence about the lib dems in horse herre— the fence about the lib dems in 2015? david cameron warned heheer— 2015? david cameron warned labour would— 2015? david cameron warned labour would form a quote eeehheh— labour would form a quote

coalition of— labour would form a quote coalition of chaos with the snp . cheek— coalition of chaos with the snp . eheeh eer— coalition of chaos with the snp . check out what— coalition of chaos with the snp . check out what happened when srermer— . check out what happened when erermer ree— . check out what happened when starmer was interviewed reerereer— starmer was interviewed reerereer. — starmer was interviewed yesterday . trtehi; starmer was interviewed yesterday . t /rin. starmer was interviewed- yesterday . tucker you sat next yesterday. tucker you sat next to ed davey at the coronation on saturday, so man, you can do business with. well, look, i'm going— business with. well, look, i'm going rer— business with. well, look, i'm going rer eh— business with. well, look, i'm going for an outright- well, look, i'm going for an outright majority ere— going for an outright majority ehe hm— going for an outright majority and i'm often— going for an outright majority and i'm often asked, will you do and i'm often asked, will you do e eeeh— and i'm often asked, will you do e eeer rrhh— and i'm often asked, will you do a deal with the— and i'm often asked, will you do a deal with the snp? and i've been— a deal with the snp? and i've been absolutely— a deal with the snp? and i've been absolutely clear there are no been absolutely clear there are he rerme— been absolutely clear there are he rerme rh— been absolutely clear there are no terms in which— been absolutely clear there are no terms in which we would do a eeeh— no terms in which we would do a eeer-rhe— no terms in which we would do a eeer-me shre— no terms in which we would do a deal-the snp.iwant- no terms in which we would do a deal the snp. want to deal with the snp. i want to eeeh— deal with the snp. i want to eeeh re— deal with the snp. i want to eeeh re eh— deal with the snp. i want to eeeh re eh e— deal with the snp. i want to push to on a labour majority. rrher— push to on a labour majority. hher eheer— push to on a labour majority. what about the _ push to on a labour majority. what about the lib dems? well, reek.— what about the lib dems? well, look,-answering- look, i not answering hypotheticals , but you know, we hypotheticals, but you know, we you hypotheticals, but you know, we ree ee— hypotheticals, but you know, we ree ruling— hypotheticals, but you know, we you are ruling out— hypotheticals, but you know, we you are ruling out a deal with he— you are ruling out a deal with me she— you are ruling out a deal with me she eh— you are ruling out a deal with the snp on any— you are ruling out a deal with the snp on any terms, but you're not the snp on any terms, but you're her ruling— the snp on any terms, but you're her rehhe eer— the snp on any terms, but you're her rehhe eer e— the snp on any terms, but you're not ruling out a deal with the lib not ruling out a deal with the he heme. — not ruling out a deal with the lib dems. well,— not ruling out a deal with the lib dems. well, as- not ruling out a deal with the lib dems. venice not ruling out a deal with the lib dems. well, as you know with the it's a fundamental the snp, it's a fundamental difference. ido the snp, it's a fundamental difference. i do not believe in rhe— difference. i do not believe in he break-up— difference. i do not believe in the break—up and— r: ”rihiti i do not believe in the break—up and separation r: ”rihisti i do not believe in the break—up and separation of the the break—up and separation of me hhhee— the break—up and separation of the united kingdom. i do not hehere— the united kingdom. i do not believe that_ the united kingdom. i do not believe that our— the united kingdom. i do not believe that our future will be here— believe that our future will be herrerlrre — believe that our future will be herrerlrre eer— believe that our future will be better we put border better if we put a border herrreeh— better if we put a border between scotland england. better if we put a border- between scotland-england. so between scotland and england. so it's between scotland and england. so he mere-e— between scotland and england. so he rhere-e he— between scotland and england. so it's there's no basis— between scotland and england. so it's there's no basis just to be hee— it's there's no basis just to be hee reee— it's there's no basis just to be clear, you're ruling out any eere— clear, you're ruling out any eerr er— clear, you're ruling out any sort of arrangement with the snp and sort of arrangement with the snp ehe ree— sort of arrangement with the snp ehe ree ee— sort of arrangement with the snp ehe ree her— sort of arrangement with the snp and you are not doing that with the and you are not doing that with me here— and you are not doing that with the liberal democrats. i'm ehee — the liberal democrats. i'm clean-pressing- the liberal democrats. i'm clear. pressing on. i want a clear. i'm pressing on. i want a heheer—

clear. i'm pressing on. i want a labour majority— clear. i'm pressing on. i want a labour majority government. you erehr— labour majority government. you erehr ruling— labour majority government. you erehr rehhe e— labour majority government. you aren't ruling a workable met-emhe— aren't ruling a workable majority? well there we go. so rhet— majority? well there we go. so rher-rheeee— majority? well there we go. so that-indeed sir— majority? well there we go. so that-indeed sir keir- majority? well there we go. so that indeed sir keir starmer that was indeed sir keir starmer there refusing to rule out a coalition with the liberal democrats, obviously saying democrats, but obviously saying that to go for that clearly he wanted to go for a r that clearly he wanted to go for a , which i mean, it'd a majority, which i mean, it'd be weird he didn't it, be weird if he didn't want it, but baker me now, but norman bakerjoins me now, who a former liberal democrat who is a former liberal democrat mp and was a once home office minister in the last coalition government. norman you government. norman thank you very maybe question very much. maybe the question should be whether or not the lib dems let's just by the dems let's just assume, by the way, you get enough numbers way, that you get enough numbers in way into a in order to find your way into a coalition. whether not coalition. but whether or not the dems would want to go the lib dems would want to go into coalition with labour after how it turned out for how badly it turned out for you in coalition > well, in the last coalition > well, that's right, in the last coalition > well, that's-right, patrick,| that's exactly right, patrick, heee— that's exactly right, patrick,i because last time we got our hheere— because last time we got our fingers burned,— because last time we got our- fingers burned,_would fingers burned, although i would say fingers burned, although i would eer rher— fingers burned, although i would eer rher rh— fingers burned, although i would eer me h m— fingers burned, although i would say that in my view, the eeehheh — say that in my view, the coalition between 2010 and 2015 rrhh— coalition between 2010 and 2015 rrhh e— coalition between 2010 and 2015 with a conservatives was eereehhr— with a conservatives was actually the _ with a conservatives was actually the best government hee— actually the best government we've had for— actually the best government we've had for quite some time. rme— we've had for quite some time. are h— we've had for quite some time. are h ree— we've had for quite some time. are h e— we've had for quite some time. and it was a five— we've had for quite some time. and it was a five year parliament. - and it was a five year parliament. we a lot of parliament. we got a lot of rhrhee— parliament. we got a lot of rhrhee-ehe— parliament. we got a lot of things-and the- parliament. we got a lot of things and the conservative things done and the conservative emr— things done and the conservative ehhr eeremmem— things done and the conservative only government ,— things done and the conservative only government , they've been only government, they've been the only government, they've been me ee— only government, they've been me mer— only government, they've been the ones that have been governments— the ones that have been governments of chaos, not the

eeehheh. — governments of chaos, not the eeehheh. se— governments of chaos, not the coalition. so i— governments of chaos, not the coalition. so i don't think eeehhehe— coalition. so i don't think coalitions themselves are heeeeeerhr— coalitions themselves are necessarily very bad. you look at necessarily very bad. you look er rrher— necessarily very bad. you look er rrher re— necessarily very bad. you look at what we got— necessarily very bad. you look at what we got through in five reere— at what we got through in five reere h— at what we got through in five reere h hee— at what we got through in five years, it was substantial and we ereeehee— years, it was substantial and we ereeehee rhe— years, it was substantial and we steadied the markets. we got the eeehemr— steadied the markets. we got the eeehemr heeh— steadied the markets. we got the economy back track. we got economy back on track. we got a rrhehe— economy back on track. we got a rrhehe her— economy back on track. we got a rrhehe her er— economy back on track. we got a whole lot of revolutionary rhrhee— whole lot of revolutionary things through. so, you know, i eeehe— things through. so, you know, i rreehe eer— things through. so, you know, i would say that_ things through. so, you know, i would say that the coalition reee— would say that the coalition reee re— would say that the coalition reee re e— would say that the coalition idea is a-one- would say that the coalition idea is a-one as- would say that the coalition idea is a one as a idea is a good one as a errherehe— idea is a good one as a principle because you to principle because you have to her— principle because you have to talk-somebody— principle because you have to talk-somebody-in- talk to somebody else in a ehherem— talk to somebody else in a different party— talk to somebody else in a different party to justify what talk to somebody else in a difftwantparty to justify what talk to somebody else in a difftwant to ty to justify what talk to somebody else in a difftwant to ty t nowtify what talk to somebody else in a difftwant to ty t now that/hat talk to somebody else in a difftwant to ty t now that doesn't you want to do. now that doesn't mean .we're looking- you want to do. now that doesn't mean we're looking for mean that we're looking for a eeeh— mean that we're looking for a eeeh rrhh— mean that we're looking for a deal with the— mean that we're looking for a deal with the conservatives or rrhh — deal with the conservatives or rrhh heheer— deal with the conservatives or with labour or— deal with the conservatives or with labour or anybody else. i'm not with labour or anybody else. i'm her-re— with labour or anybody else. i'm her-re rheee— with labour or anybody else. i'm not to those discussions, not party to those discussions, her—he- not party to those discussions,| her—he eerrh but ultimately it will be down, i but ultimately it will be down, r-re— but ultimately it will be down, r-re-heeeehel i suppose, to what happens with the electorate _thel the electorate themselves. the eheererere— the electorate themselves. thei electorate _the electorate will decide what the reeehr— electorate will decide what the reeeh er— electorate will decide what the result of. election - electorate will decide what the result of election is and result of the election is and rher-hh— result of the election is and rher-hh-ee— result of the election is and they'll-us, leave- result of the election is and. they'll-us, leave-and they'll leave us, leave us and ererrheer— they'll leave us, leave us and ererrheer-e- they'll leave us, leave us and everybody a choice everybody else with a choice rrher— everybody else with a choice rrher-eheer— everybody else with a choice what-about it.- everybody else with a choice what about it. you are what to do about it. you are rerr— what to do about it. you are rerr reh— what to do about it. you are very well connected with the mere— very well connected with the liberal democrats, though, hm — liberal democrats, though, norman. you— liberal democrats, though, norman. v/rin. liberal democrats, though, norman. v/rir. liberal democrats, though, norman. v/rin. liberal democrats, though,- norman. you must talk to people who are really in the thick of norman. you must talk to people wiin are really in the thick of norman. you must talk to people wiin that eally in the thick of norman. you must talk to people wiin that partyin the thick of norman. you must talk to people wiin that party ande thick of norman. you must talk to people wiin that party and surely of it in that party and surely someone must have let you know whether not is an whether or not there is an active conversation going on between the labour party and the liberal about liberal democrats about a coalition there? i don't coalition is there? i don't think is coalition is there? i don't think-is actually- think there is actually genuinelyr_ think there is actually genuinely,-ii think there is actually- genuinely,-i don't genuinely, patrick. i don't rhrhh— genuinely, patrick. i don't rhrhh-re— genuinely, patrick. i don't rhrhh-re e- genuinely, patrick. i don't think is a conversation think there is a conversation going—

think there is a conversation going — think there is a conversation going on. happening going on. what is happening rrhheer— going on. what is happening without-talking- without anybody talking to ehrheer— without anybody talking to anybody is anybody else is that labour is rrhe— anybody else is that labour is ermr-eeehe.- anybody else is that labour is rrrrhe-eeere. h- anybody else is that labour is trying seats. it thinks trying to win seats. it thinks it trying to win seats. it thinks h-rhh— trying to win seats. it thinks it-win-we're- trying to win seats. it thinks it win we're trying to it can win and we're trying to rrh— it can win and we're trying to he eeeer— it can win and we're trying to he eeeer he— it can win and we're trying to win seats. we think we can win ere— win seats. we think we can win ehe rhe— win seats. we think we can win and the greens— win seats. we think we can win and the greens are— win seats. we think we can win and the greens are trying to win eeeer —rher- and the greens are trying to win eeeer —rher eeh- and the greens are trying to win seats. _they can win. seats. they think they can win ere— seats. they think they can win ere-heeeh— seats. they think they can win and local elections last and the local elections last eeeh— and the local elections last week here— and the local elections last week there was— and the local elections last week there was discussion, no week there was no discussion, no eeehheh— week there was no discussion, no eeehheh he— week there was no discussion, no coalition, no-about- week there was no discussion, no coalition, no about what coalition, no pact about what heeeeheeh— coalition, no pact about what happened. electorate happened. but the electorate rhemeehree— happened. but the electorate themselves-who- happened. but the electorate themselves who was themselves decided who was hhehr— likely to win against the conservatives- likely to win against the conseiit tives- likely to win against the conseiit made that decision areas. it made that decision rhemeehree— areas. it made that decision themselves without anybody rmerrehhe— themselves without anybody rmerrehhe- — themselves without anybody interfering- what- interfering in it. what keir starmer say, well, starmer appeared to say, well, he didn't he? was that he did say, didn't he? was that there is chasm of ideological there is a chasm of ideological difference the scottish difference between the scottish national party and the liberal democrats. what democrats. okay so what would between yeah, yeah, between labour? yeah, yeah, yeah. between labour. yes yeah. sorry. between labour. yes and the liberal and what would the liberal democrats then, in this hypothetical world where keir starmer is knocking on your door saying, please, please starmer is knocking on your door sayirus please, please starmer is knocking on your door sayirus a please, please starmer is knocking on your door sayirus a coalition,|se, please starmer is knocking on your door sayirus a coalition,|se, p|aree give us a coalition, what are your well i don't know, your demands? well i don't know, to be honest with you, because we been discussing it we haven't been discussing it and don't think are and i don't think there are demands policy. and i don't think there are demands policy . what policies demands or policy. what policies would want the would you want to get the electorate decide that nobody's got yeah, but come got a majority. yeah, but come on. you've been around the block long enough to know that this is a negotiation want a negotiation and you want to get your signs across get some of your signs across

it. you had your it. like you said, you had your fingers burnt before caved fingers burnt before you caved in things student fees, in on things like student fees, etcetera. may electoral etcetera. and that may electoral oblivion the next general oblivion at the next general election. so you wouldn't want that happen what that to happen again. so what kind would be kind of stuff would you be pushing for if you enter into a coalition labour? big coalition with labour? what big things? well i genuinely things? well i can genuinely say, pushing things? well i can genuinely sayanything pushing things? well i can genuinely sayanything moment. as for anything at the moment. as far i know, there are no far as i know, there are no heeeeerehe— far as i know, there are no discussions going on. if the eheererere— discussions going on. if the electorate decide on election day— electorate decide on election her her— electorate decide on election her he he— electorate decide on election day that no party has a met-emr.— day that no party has a majority, of majority, we'll take stock of rrher— majority, we'll take stock of rrher rhe — majority, we'll take stock of what the numbers are and see rrhere— what the numbers are and see rrhere-ere— what the numbers are and see where-are from. _ what the numbers are and see where are from. then if, for where we are from. then if, for eremehe— where we are from. then if, for eemehe-e— where we are from. then if, for eremehe-e here- where we are from. then if, for example, a bare majority where we are from. then if, for ex onele, a bare majority where we are from. then if, for ex one for a bare majority where we are from. then if, for ex one for a a bare majority where we are from. then if, for ex one for a lib a bare majority where we are from. then if, for ex one for a lib dem'e majority where we are from. then if, for ex one for a lib dem labour rity of one for a lib dem labour eerehemem— of one for a lib dem labour arrangement, that's an entirely ehherem— arrangement, that's an entirely different-from - different situation from a met-emr— different situation from a meierhr er— different situation from a majority of 150. and it also mrehr— majority of 150. and it also mrehr he— majority of 150. and it also mrehr he rhe— majority of 150. and it also might be the case, of course, mer— might be the case, of course, that there'll— might be the case, of course, that there'll be _ might be the case, of course, that there'll be a— might be the case, of course, that there'll be a majority of conservatives— conservatives and liberal hemeerere— conservatives and liberal democrats and not labour and here— democrats and not labour and liberal democrats. there liberal democrats. in 2010 there rreelmer-erhr— liberal democrats. in 2010 there waslmajority could— liberal democrats. in 2010 there was majority could be put was a majority could be put reeerher— was a majority could be put together parties. tories together by two parties. tories ere— together by two parties. tories me her— together by two parties. tories me he heme.— together by two parties. tories and lib dems. labour and lib dem rreeheh-r—se- and lib dems. labour and lib dem rreeheh-r—se h- wouldn't amid a majority. so it reehr— wouldn't amid a majority. so it reehr-eh— wouldn't amid a majority. so it really-on what- wouldn't amid a majority. so it really-on what the. really depends on what the eheererere— really depends on what the electorate themselves decide. herr— electorate themselves decide. her-re— electorate themselves decide. now-is actually- electorate themselves decide. now is actually another now that is actually another reeerhehhe— now that is actually another fascinating_this,| fascinating element to this, rrhreh—ererl fascinating element to this,- which_ever consider which is would you ever consider going— which is would you ever consider eerhe-eeehhreh— which is would you ever consider going coalition with the going into coalition with the rehee— going into coalition with the tories again? _ going into coalition with the tories again? kerri“ chin" . tories again? well, i don't personally i don't rule anything

out because i think the last arrangement worked very well for the and it would be much the country and it would be much better the tory minority better than the tory minority administration. have administration. i think we have to administration. i think we have releeremh— administration. i think we have releeremh ee— administration. i think we have to.careful, as you— administration. i think we have to.careful, as you say,- administration. i think we have to.careful, as you say, to- to be careful, as you say, to mehe—eer- to be careful, as you say, to mehe—eeh rhe to be careful, as you say, to- make_get the blame make sure we don't get the blame for make sure we don't get the blame her ererrrhrhe— make sure we don't get the blame for everything and— make sure we don't get the blame for everything and of the for everything and none of the erehe— for everything and none of the credit, which— for everything and none of the credit, which what happened for everything and none of the credtime.ich what happened for everything and none of the cred time. ai what happened for everything and none of the cred time. a lot what happened for everything and none of the cred time. a lot ofhat happened for everything and none of the cred time. a lot of thoseipened last time. a lot of those eeheree— last time. a lot of those policies the— last time. a lot of those policies the tories now champion the policies the tories now champion rhe-rre— policies the tories now champion the-we introduced.- policies the tories now champion the we introduced. but the ones that we introduced. but er— the ones that we introduced. but er ereeehhr— the ones that we introduced. but one of arguably the biggest reeee— one of arguably the biggest issue actually— one of arguably the biggest issue actually not just of issue actually not just one of reeme— issue actually not just one of reerhe rhre— issue actually not just one of facing this country at the memem— facing this country at the moment housebuilding home moment is housebuilding home hehehhe— moment is housebuilding home building-we— moment is housebuilding home building-we-not- moment is housebuilding home building r: g building. we are not building enough and when i look at enough homes and when i look at those results, those local election results, i mean, know what i'm going to mean, you know what i'm going to say to you now, which is that the lot of the the local level, a lot of the liberal did quite liberal democrats did quite a lot to campaign on a ticket of we're not going build a we're not going to build a massive housing estate on your local or that field local golf course or that field behind does the behind your house. so does the nafion behind your house. so does the nation suffer as a nation actually suffer as a result having the lib dems in result of having the lib dems in power? we live? i power? where do we all live? i don't think it's fair to pick- "9 �*r?h°“hi;”iiil r:hin c rri?’ i don't think it's fair to pick on rhe— don't think it's fair to pick on me rrh— don't think it's fair to pick on the lib dems.— don't think it's fair to pick on the lib dems. i— don't think it's fair to pick on the lib dems. i think you'll rrhe— the lib dems. i think you'll hhe rher— the lib dems. i think you'll find that all— the lib dems. i think you'll find that all parties are making rheee— find that all parties are making rheee eheeeee— find that all parties are making those pledges house those pledges because house eehhhe— those pledges because house eemhe-e— those pledges because house polling a concept, deeply polling is as a concept, deeply eheeeeher— polling is as a concept, deeply unpopular-local_ polling is as a concept, deeply unpopular local areas, but unpopular in local areas, but ehee— unpopular in local areas, but ehee-heeeeeerr- unpopular in local areas, but also necessary the also very necessary for the eeemrr. — also very necessary for the. country-challenge. also very necessary for the coupolitical challenge. also very necessary for the coupolitical parties:hallenge. also very necessary for the coupolitical parties have.nge. also very necessary for the coupolitical parties have. and all political parties have. and you—

all political parties have. and hee-rehee- all political parties have. and you tories, labour, lib you can find tories, labour, lib dem— you can find tories, labour, lib hem—eh- you can find tories, labour, libi hem—eh rehhg dem, greens who are all taking eeerhehe— dem, greens who are all taking positions-were- dem, greens who are all taking positions were careful positions which were careful eheer— positions which were careful about-particular. about their own particular eereh. —rhre| about their own particular patch. _this not patch. my own view, this is not a patch. my own view, this is not e hhereh— patch. my own view, this is not a liberal democrat— patch. my own view, this is not a liberal democrat view heeeeeerhr. — a liberal democrat view necessarily. my own view is we eheehe — necessarily. my own view is we eheehe here— necessarily. my own view is we should have more— necessarily. my own view is we should have more council housing necessarily. my own view is we should ithe more council housing necessarily. my own view is we should ithe more to uncil housing necessarily. my own view is we should ithe more to build housing because the need to build heeerhe— because the need to build| heeerhe—herr housing for people on low re— housing for people on low incomes is absolutely key. what we incomes is absolutely key. what rremee—e eh rh- incomes is absolutely key. what we_more of, in my. we don't want more of, in my rrerr— we don't want more of, in my view,-thinking- we don't want more of, in my view, thinking about view, and i'm thinking about my own area,.when_ view, and i'm thinking about my own area, when there's own area, is when there's a heeeh—h- own area, is when there's a heeeh—h el own area, is when there's a. local—if a local local housing need, if a local eeehe— local housing need, if a local eeeehe hee— local housing need, if a local eeeehe hhe er— local housing need, if a local people kind of three and four heereem— people kind of three and four bedroom houses— people kind of three and four bedroom houses going up from herrerr-e— barrett's, nobody else for eeeehe— barrett's, nobody else for eeeehe-eerrh - barrett's, nobody else for people down from barrett's, nobody else for- people - down from london, people coming down from london, rher-e— people coming down from london, rher-e rrher— people coming down from london, that's what-don't— people coming down from london, that's what don't want. that's what we don't want. oher. — that's what we don't want. oher. ah— that's what we don't want. okay. all right.— that's what we don't want. okay. all right. and- that's what we don't want. okay. all right. and just just lastly, you lastly, norman, what have you got the labour got in common with the labour party? the liberal party? what the liberal democrats in common? well to democrats got in common? well to be beginning be honest, i'm beginning to doubt very much in doubt we have very much in common. imean, doubt we have very much in common. i mean, if you look at rrher— common. i mean, if you look at rrher-erer— common. i mean, if you look at rrher-erer rhe- common. i mean, if you look ati what-over the weekend what happened over the weekend rrheh— what happened over the weekend when rhere— what happened over the weekend when there were— what happened over the weekend when there were in— what happened over the weekend when there were in my view, heerr— when there were in my view, heerr-eehee- when there were in my view, heavy police tactics and heavy handed police tactics and people— people being arrested for eeeeereh— people being arrested for peaceful protest, then whether the peaceful protest, then whether rhe—rrere i the labour party, they were eerrhe — the labour party, they werei eerrhe—reeeeh the labour party, they were- saying_repeal that saying they wouldn't repeal that heereheheh. — saying they wouldn't repeal that hegreherhere— saying they wouldn't repeal that legislatihare very— saying they wouldn't repeal that legislatihare very important liberties are very important to us liberties are very important to eelhherehe— liberties are very important to us.liberals and— liberties are very important to us liberals and the labour us as liberals and the labour party— us as liberals and the labour herrr merr— us as liberals and the labour party know we're _ us as liberals and the labour party know we're on those. all rrehr. — party know we're on those. all right. _presumably- party know we're on those. all right. presumably then right. so you presumably then would happy with would have been happy with people themselves would have been happy with peop|of themselves would have been happy with peop|of the themselves would have been happy with peop|of the king'semselves would have been happy with peop|of the king's carriage and front of the king's carriage and ruining our coronation. would you? no, wouldn't have been you? no, we wouldn't have been

happy— you? no, we wouldn't have been happy-people— 7 no, we wouldn't have been happy people throwing happy with people throwing themselves— happy with people throwing themselvei'd_ happy with people throwing themselvei'd be very carriages. i'd be very happy rrhh— carriages. i'd be very happy with-exercising- carriages. i'd be very happy with exercising their with people exercising their eemeerehe— with people exercising their. democratic—there democratic right to stand there with— democratic right to stand there with a— democratic right to stand there with a with— democratic right to stand there with a with t— democratic right to stand there with a with a placard and let petite— with a with a placard and let peopte thew— with a with a placard and let people know what they think. you thew,— people know what they think. you thtswwtue—i- people know what they think. you know,_values.this. know, democratic values in this country— know, democratic values in this country|freedom _ know, democratic values in this country freedom of association, speech, freedom of association, thi— speech, freedom of association, and the— speech, freedom of association, and the test— speech, freedom of association, and the test for— speech, freedom of association, and the test for a— speech, freedom of association, and the test for a democracy is hot— and the test for a democracy is not how— and the test for a democracy is not how the — and the test for a democracy is not how the majority feels. it's how— not how the majority feels. it's how the— not how the majority feels. it's how the minority— not how the majority feels. it's how the minority is protected. ethy- — how the minority is protected. ethy- ant— how the minority is protected. okay. aht sorry,— how the minority is protected. okay. and sorry, i— how the minority is protected. okay. and sorry, i said very witty,— okay. and sorry, i said very toutiw i— okay. and sorry, i said very touttw, i just— okay. and sorry, i said very loudly, i just lied to you. ow; loudly, i just lied to you. one it— loudly, i just lied to you. one more, if that's— loudly, i just lied to you. one more, if that's all— loudly, i just lied to you. one more, if that's all right. on loudly, i just lied to you. one moriwhole at's all right. on loudly, i just lied to you. one moriwhole brexitl right. on loudly, i just lied to you. one moriwhole brexit issue, on loudly, i just lied to you. one moriwhole brexit issue, which this whole brexit issue, which is that on the day that we are now seeing that this supposed bonfire of is not bonfire of eu laws is just not going thing at all, and going to be a thing at all, and we might get a few hundred repeal, they're all to repeal, but they're all going to have to go through the commons anyway then the laws. so anyway and then the laws. and so that won't happen that probably won't happen ehhen that probably won't happen either. you think that either. what do you think that the of the liberal the idea of the liberal democrats near democrats being anywhere near downing would downing street again would probably mean a second referendum? well no, i don't. i doubt very much indeed. i doubt it very much indeed. i think— doubt it very much indeed. i think-hast.— doubt it very much indeed. i think-past. and- doubt it very much indeed. i think past. and what i think that's past. and what i whitt— think that's past. and what i wtuit-i— think that's past. and what i would-i-brexit. think that's past. and what i. would-i-brexit has would say is i think brexit has not teth— would say is i think brexit has hot teen 9°0d_ would say is i think brexit has not been good for— would say is i think brexit has not been good for the country. its— not been good for the country. its pragmatic,— not been good for the country. it's pragmatic, way, for it's pragmatic, by the way, for jacob—and- it's pragmatic, by the way, forj jacob—and people it's pragmatic, by the way, for. jacob—and people to it's pragmatic, by the way, for. jacowe_and people to it's pragmatic, by the way, for jacowe should and people to it's pragmatic, by the way, for jacowe should justand people to it's pragmatic, by the way, for jacowe should just get people to it's pragmatic, by the way, for jacowe should just get every; to say we should just get every sihgie— say we should just get every sihgte taw— say we should just get every single law. some of these laws in the— single law. some of these laws in the eu— single law. some of these laws in the eu quite— single law. some of these laws in the eu quite a— single law. some of these laws in the eu quite a lot of them

eetueiw— in the eu quite a lot of them actually were— in the eu quite a lot of them actually were generated by this country. — country. we were quite effective in country. we were quite effective ih—eeuhtiieel country. we were quite effectivej in _countries to in persuading other countries to tate— in persuading other countries to take ew— in persuading other countries to take wewe— in persuading other countries to take our views on— in persuading other countries to take our views on things. so eeme—hawt- take our views on things. so eeheewe—i aiel some of these eu laws are hiitieh— some of these eu laws are british .that- some of these eu laws are british that we've created british laws that we've created for british laws that we've created tee ether— british laws that we've created for other people. _ british laws that we've created for other people. all right, hermeti— for other people. all right, norman, thank— for other people. all right, norman, thank you much. norman, thank you very much. always— norman, thank you very much. hiwewe-ehete. - norman, thank you very much. always-chats. there'sl always enjoy our chats. there's norman there. he's norman baker there. he's a former mp and was home former lib dem mp and was a home office minister in the last coalition government. that coalition government. and that is important actually, the is important actually, given the context keir starmer refusing to about. keir starmer refusing to rule kind of coalition rule out some kind of coalition with the liberal democrats. with with the liberal democrats. i on i did have peter edwards on a couple of days ago. i think it was actually. and he was a big labour man and he was saying that the labour party that what the labour party should just rule should do right now is just rule it kill it stone dead and it out, kill it stone dead and just say, no, we're outright going for a majority. keir starmer's doing starmer's kind of doing that, but quite he, i am aware but not quite as he, i am aware now that got a liberal now that i've got a liberal democrat tie on, that go democrat tie on, but that we go right. moving on. donald trump says a disgrace that a jury says it's a disgrace that a jury found sexually abused found that he sexually abused a woman. where this leave woman. but where does this leave his of becoming president his hopes of becoming president again? it's again? and he's saying it's a witch hunt. do you think it is a witch hunt. do you think it is a witch hunt? we'll

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channel welcome back, everybody. okay, so big stories to round off so two big stories to round off this the this hour. firstly, the publisher of the mirror newspaper apologised in newspaper has apologised in court to prince harry for what they described as illegal information gathering, which warrants compensation . prince warrants compensation. prince harry is among a group of high profile figures suing the mirror group over claims of group newspapers over claims of phone hacking. i'm going to go now to national reporter, now to our national reporter, paul who is outside the paul hawkins, who is outside the high for us. paul, thank high court for us. paul, thank you much. are these you very much. what are these latest developments? to you very much. what are these lat comingilopments? to you very much. what are these lat coming through s? to you very much. what are these lat coming through thick to you very much. what are these lat coming through thick and to you very much. what are these lat coming through thick and fast be coming through thick and fast . yeah, so that's the big one so far today. patrick, that admission— far today. patrick, that admission by- : patrick, that admission by mirror group meweeehet— admission by mirror group heweeeeet te— admission by mirror group newspaper is that there was some ewitemee— newspaper is that there was some evitehee thet— newspaper is that there was some evidence that third— newspaper is that there was some evidence that third parties were met— evidence that third parties were eeetliheeehw— evidence that third parties were used illegally obtain used to illegally obtain information— used to illegally obtain information on about three of the tem— information on about three of the four claimants and they've eeeiegieet— the four claimants and they've eeeiegieet tet— the four claimants and they've apologised for that and said thet— apologised for that and said that thet— apologised for that and said that that warrants some form of eemeemeetieh— that that warrants some form of compensation and— that that warrants some form of compensation and they still eehtihue— compensation and they still eemtihue te— compensation and they still continue to deny phone hacking eiteeetieme— continue to deny phone hacking allegations. but— continue to deny phone hacking allegations. but they are saying thet— allegations. but they are saying that thit— allegations. but they are saying that third parties,— allegations. but they are saying

that third parties, i.e. private investigators— that third parties, i.e. private investigators ,— that third parties, i.e. private investigators , were involved. so investigators, were involved. so that-e— investigators, were involved. so thet-e the— investigators, were involved. so thet-e the big— investigators, were involved. so that's the big bombshell today. hie-we— that's the big bombshell today. hie-we thee— that's the big bombshell today. we've also heard— that's the big bombshell today. we've also heard evidence this ettemeeh— we've also heard evidence this afternoon since _ we've also heard evidence this afternoon since they restarted ettei— afternoon since they restarted the imeh— afternoon since they restarted after lunch links— afternoon since they restarted after lunch links piers morgan to after lunch links piers morgan te phone— after lunch links piers morgan to phone hacking. now, piers hemm— to phone hacking. now, piers hetgeh hee— to phone hacking. now, piers morgan has always denied any ihwewemeht— morgan has always denied any involvement in— morgan has always denied any involvement in phone hacking. but involvement in phone hacking. hut thet— involvement in phone hacking. hut iuet te— involvement in phone hacking. but just to read— involvement in phone hacking. but just to read you one piece of but just to read you one piece et evitehee— but just to read you one piece et evitehee ,— but just to read you one piece of evidence , former downing of evidence, former downing street— of evidence, former downing street official— of evidence, former downing street official benjamin wegg—prosser, he recalled asking item— wegg—prosser, he recalled asking item hemm— wegg—prosser, he recalled asking piers morgan how— wegg—prosser, he recalled asking piers morgan how the daily hitter— piers morgan how the daily himei het— piers morgan how the daily mirror had obtained a story eheut— mirror had obtained a story eheut eh— mirror had obtained a story about an affair— mirror had obtained a story about an affair between the then theieht— about an affair between the then england manager,— about an affair between the then england manager, sven—goran triteeeh— england manager, sven—goran triteeeh eme— england manager, sven—goran eriksson and eureka john ison. mr eriksson and eureka john ison. hi hemm— eriksson and eureka john ison. mr morgan asked— eriksson and eureka john ison. mr morgan asked mr prosser which hetweit— mr morgan asked mr prosser which network provider— mr morgan asked mr prosser which network provider he— mr morgan asked mr prosser which network provider he used for his mehiie— network provider he used for his mehiie phone— network provider he used for his mobile phone and— network provider he used for his mobile phone and then told him the teteuit— mobile phone and then told him the default pin— mobile phone and then told him the default pin for— mobile phone and then told him the default pin for that mtwerh— the default pin for that network. and - the default pin for that network. and then explained the death— network. and then explained the teteuit him.— network. and then explained the default pin. numbers were well thewm— default pin. numbers were well thewh emi— default pin. numbers were well known and rarely— default pin. numbers were well known and rarely changed, which is hew— known and rarely changed, which is hew mehiie— known and rarely changed, which is how mobile phone messages eehe— is how mobile phone messages could-accessed— is how mobile phone messages could accessed remotely . he could be accessed remotely. he them— could be accessed remotely. he them eeit— could be accessed remotely. he then said with— could be accessed remotely. he then said with a— could be accessed remotely. he then said with a smile that the stew— then said with a smile that the story-obtained— then said with a smile that the story obtained through that story was obtained through that metheh— story was obtained through that method. that's— story was obtained through that method. that's one of a number of method. that's one of a number et hieeee— method. that's one of a number of pieces-evidence— method. that's one of a number of pieces evidence linking of pieces of evidence linking item— of pieces of evidence linking item hemm— of pieces of evidence linking piers morgan to— of pieces of evidence linking piers morgan to phone hacking thet— piers morgan to phone hacking thet hete— piers morgan to phone hacking that have been— piers morgan to phone hacking that have been heard this ettemeem— that have been heard this afternoon, outlined by david

sheiheme,— afternoon, outlined by david sherborne, lawyer sherborne, the lawyer representing the claimants. but as we say, piers— representing the claimants. but as we say, piers morgan denies emh— as we say, piers morgan denies my ettegetiem— as we say, piers morgan denies any allegations linking him to theme— any allegations linking him to phone meeting.— any allegations linking him to phone hacking. he says he's not heem— phone hacking. he says he's not been involved— phone hacking. he says he's not been involved in— phone hacking. he says he's not been involved in it.— phone hacking. he says he's not been involved in it. and this ettemeem— been involved in it. and this afternoon, he's— been involved in it. and this afternoon, he's actually tweeted afternoon, he's actually tweeted e hietwe— afternoon, he's actually tweeted e hietwe thet— afternoon, he's actually tweeted a picture that doesn't directly ettieee— a picture that doesn't directly address those— a picture that doesn't directly address those allegations of phone— address those allegations of phone hacking.— address those allegations of phone hacking. it's simply a theme— phone hacking. it's simply a hietwe et— phone hacking. it's simply a picture of south— phone hacking. it's simply a picture of south park with what teete— picture of south park with what teete iite — picture of south park with what teete the e— picture of south park with what looks like a caricature of imme— looks like a caricature of prince harry— looks like a caricature of prince harry and the duchess of suste— prince harry and the duchess of site with— prince harry and the duchess of sussex with him,— prince harry and the duchess of sussex with him, meghan. and thew-te— sussex with him, meghan. and thew-re time— sussex with him, meghan. and they're kind of— sussex with him, meghan. and they're kind of holding up eteeeite— they're kind of holding up placards saying no, saying one thing— placards saying no, saying one thing eheut— placards saying no, saying one thing about privacy and the ether— thing about privacy and the ether ee— thing about privacy and the other one saying, leave us theme— other one saying, leave us time se— other one saying, leave us alone. so he's— other one saying, leave us alone. so he's kind of posted a white— alone. so he's kind of posted a ewetie meeeeee— alone. so he's kind of posted a cryptic message, but he's not tiieethw— cryptic message, but he's not directly addressed those allegations— directly addressed those allegations phone hacking, allegations of phone hacking, whieh— allegations of phone hacking, whieh the— allegations of phone hacking, which the mirror— allegations of phone hacking, which the mirror group newspaper euemhtee— which the mirror group newspaper euenhtee te— which the mirror group newspaper continues to deny— which the mirror group newspaper continues to deny ,— which the mirror group newspaper continues to deny , although in continues to deny, although in the pet— continues to deny, although in the pet it— continues to deny, although in the past it has— continues to deny, although in the past it has made some himitet— the past it has made some limited admissions over ehteihihe— limited admissions over obtaining information illegally and obtaining information illegally emt hee— obtaining information illegally emt hee hee— obtaining information illegally and has had to— obtaining information illegally and has had to cough up hundreds of and has had to cough up hundreds et theueemte— and has had to cough up hundreds of thousands of— and has had to cough up hundreds of thousands of pounds in compensation.— of thousands of pounds in compensation. but this is just the-et— compensation. but this is just the-etltheh- compensation. but this is just the-ofltrial that'si the first day of a trial that's exeeetet— the first day of a trial that's exeeetet te — the first day of a trial that's expected to .6 - the first day of a trial that's expected to .6 to - the first day of a trial that's expected to 6 to 7 weeks. expected to last 6 to 7 weeks. amt— expected to last 6 to 7 weeks. me im— expected to last 6 to 7 weeks. me in we — expected to last 6 to 7 weeks. and in we think— expected to last 6 to 7 weeks. and in we think the first week of and in we think the first week et heme,— and in we think the first week of june, certainly— and in we think the first week of june, certainly in early

time,— of june, certainly in early june,-expected- of june, certainly in early june, expected to hear june, we're expected to hear them— june, we're expected to hear teem-hew,- june, we're expected to hear from - harry, who - june, we're expected to hear from harry, who will be from prince harry, who will be in the— from prince harry, who will be in the witness— from prince harry, who will be in the witness stand himself, giving— in the witness stand himself, giving evidence— in the witness stand himself, giving evidence during this tith— giving evidence during this trial, becoming the first senior royal— trial, becoming the first senior ieweh te— trial, becoming the first senior royal to .evidence- trial, becoming the first senior royal to evidence in a royal to give evidence in a courtroom since - royal to give evidence in a courtroom since the 19th eehtuw. — courtroom since the 19th century. wow. - courtroom since the 19th. century. wow. _thank courtroom since the 19th- century. wow. _thank you century. wow. paul, thank you very much. paul hawkins, there he high court. he is outside the high court. and be rejoining me and paul will be rejoining me again later on in the show as and when we get any more updates on that. what does the on that. but what does the future for donald trump? future hold for donald trump? he's after he he's promised to appeal after he was liable for sexually was found liable for sexually abusing woman the 1990s. abusing a woman in the 1990s. now, must pay the writer e now, trump must pay the writer e jean carroll £4 million, the equivalent of £4 million. obviously it's in dollars over that after he was also found to have defamed her. but her claim that the former us president raped her in a department store dressing room was rejected. here's what trump said after the judgement. i have here's what trump said after the judgement . i have absolutely no judgement. i have absolutely no itee— judgement. i have absolutely no itee whe— judgement. i have absolutely no itee whe thie— judgement. i have absolutely no idea who this woman— 33 i have absolutely no idea who this woman is. the wettiet— idea who this woman is. the vettiet ie— idea who this woman is. the vettiet ie e— idea who this woman is. the verdict is a disgrace. a continuing— verdict is a disgrace. a continuing version of the greeteet— continuing version of the greatest witch- continuing version of the greatest witch hunt of all time . ohm.— greatest witch hunt of all time . ohm. ee—

greatest witch hunt of all time . ohm. ee i— greatest witch hunt of all time . okay, so i want— greatest witch hunt of all time . okay, so i want to- greatest witch hunt of all time . okay, so i want to know where does this leave trump? okay, where does this leave him as he gets out or looks to get back into the white house? so joining me now is the chair of republican overseas uk, greg swenson. greg, thank you very much. a feeling this much. i've got a feeling this won't end for trump. no won't be the end for trump. no definitely not. if anything, i think— definitely not. if anything, i think the— definitely not. if anything, i think the democrats- chi " dint if anything, i think the democrats and the eemeiete— think the democrats and the corporate media— think the democrats and the corporate media in the us that thet— corporate media in the us that that ee— corporate media in the us that that so closely— corporate media in the us that that so closely support the hemeeiete— that so closely support the democrats really want him to win the nomination.— democrats really want him to win the nomination. so— democrats really want him to win the nomination. so this is good tet— the nomination. so this is good tee imme— the nomination. so this is good news for trump in— the nomination. so this is good news for trump in the short term . i news for trump in the short term . i think— news for trump in the short term . i think it— news for trump in the short term . ithink it might— news for trump in the short term . i think it might hurt him in the— . i think it might hurt him in the gemeieh— . i think it might hurt him in the general election as people grew— the general election as people grew thet— the general election as people grow tiiet et— the general election as people grow tired of the,— the general election as people grow tired of the, you know, the theme — grow tired of the, you know, the theme mt— grow tired of the, you know, the drama and the— grow tired of the, you know, the drama and the character flaws thet— drama and the character flaws that president— drama and the character flaws that president trump has. but i think— that president trump has. but i think the— that president trump has. but i think the democrats quite deliberately _ think the democrats quite deliberately want him to be the im— deliberately want him to be the nominee in 2024.— deliberately want him to be the nominee in 2024. they have the imhieeeieh— nominee in 2024. they have the impression that_ nominee in 2024. they have the impression that that he could eetuehw— impression that that he could actually lose— impression that that he could actually lose to— impression that that he could actually lose to biden, which i think— actually lose to biden, which i think ie— actually lose to biden, which i think is amusing— actually lose to biden, which i think is amusing and a lot less thew— think is amusing and a lot less hiheiw thie— think is amusing and a lot less likely this week— think is amusing and a lot less likely this week or— think is amusing and a lot less likely this week or versus last week.— likely this week or versus last week. se— likely this week or versus last week. se weeh— likely this week or versus last week. so yeah, it's a bit of a eemehe— week. so yeah, it's a bit of a gemhhe eh— week. so yeah, it's a bit of a gamble on the— week. so yeah, it's a bit of a gamble on the on- week. so yeah, it's a bit of a gamble on the on the democrats part— gamble on the on the democrats eeh . — gamble on the on the democrats eeh . i— gamble on the on the democrats eeh . i mem— gamble on the on the democrats part. i mean, what— gamble on the on the democrats part. i mean, what will- gamble on the on the democrats part. a c chit

part. i mean, what will it do, do you think, though, for trump's actual actual electoral chances? because i'm looking at it's getting a shockingly small amount of media coverage in america as tens of thousands of people pour over the mexican border into america on what appears to be a near weekly or monthly basis. rumblings that this might become a daily occurrence as well. and i can't help but wonder whether or not the same issues that trump won on the first time around exist now, but are worse . and so it's now, but are worse. and so it's a gift for him, isn't it? absolutely. patrick i mean, a gift for him, isn't it? - absolutely. patrick i mean, it's teeth— absolutely. patrick i mean, it's really frightening— absolutely. patrick i mean, it's really frightening . and it's not really frightening. and it's not teme— really frightening. and it's not tehe et— really frightening. and it's not tens of thousands. it's hundreds of tens of thousands. it's hundreds et theeeemte— tens of thousands. it's hundreds of thousands. it's— tens of thousands. it's hundreds of thousands. it's 6— tens of thousands. it's hundreds of thousands. it's 6 million eie— of thousands. it's 6 million since biden— of thousands. it's 6 million since biden took office. and eeemet— since biden took office. and opened uh— since biden took office. and opened up the— since biden took office. and opened up the border and when the cowh— opened up the border and when the covid emergency ends tomorrow, which is always a whim— tomorrow, which is always a whieh ie— tomorrow, which is always a which is amusing in itself that me— which is amusing in itself that me teet— which is amusing in itself that me kept the— which is amusing in itself that he's kept the covid emergency as eevemmeht— he's kept the covid emergency as government policy— he's kept the covid emergency as government policy until tomorrow . se— government policy until tomorrow . se there-h— government policy until tomorrow . so there'll be— government policy until tomorrow . so there'll be another year theet— . so there'll be another year theet et— . so there'll be another year flood of illegal— . so there'll be another year flood of illegal immigrants heeeuee— flood of illegal immigrants because there— flood of illegal immigrants because there was some covid emergemew—

because there was some covid emergency policies that that ehewet— emergency policies that that allowed the— emergency policies that that allowed the border patrol to keep — allowed the border patrol to keep ee— allowed the border patrol to keep et— allowed the border patrol to keep some of them out. not not all keep some of them out. not not hit et— keep some of them out. not not hit et them,— keep some of them out. not not all of them, but— keep some of them out. not not all of them, but he— keep some of them out. not not all of them, but he has titeieihw— all of them, but he has literally opened up the border. hee— literally opened up the border. he-e eehe— literally opened up the border. he's done his— literally opened up the border. he's done his best to wreck the econom-y hee— he's done his best to wreck the economy. he's caused inflation. heeh— economy. he's caused inflation. heeh-huhhime— economy. he's caused inflation. heeh-huhihe et— economy. he's caused inflation. look, pulling at 36. that's look, he's pulling at 36. that's the washington— look, he's pulling at 36. that's the washington post and abc news on economic issues— the washington post and abc news on economic issues .— the washington post and abc news on economic issues. he's polling in the— on economic issues. he's polling in the hew— on economic issues. he's polling in the hew eee— on economic issues. he's polling in the low 30s and— on economic issues. he's polling in the low 30s and losing to imme— in the low 30s and losing to heme im— in the low 30s and losing to trump in terms— in the low 30s and losing to trump in terms of hypothetical eemeieh— trump in terms of hypothetical general elections. _ trump in terms of hypothetical general elections. so even with the hump— general elections. so even with the trump dramas— general elections. so even with the trump dramas , he is biden is the trump dramas, he is biden is in e— the trump dramas, he is biden is in e teeth— the trump dramas, he is biden is in a really difficult— the trump dramas, he is biden is in a really difficult position. i in a really difficult position. i meem— in a really difficult position. i mean, there— in a really difficult position. i mean, there are rather a lot of i mean, there are rather a lot et temee— i mean, there are rather a lot of dramas and— i mean, there are rather a lot of dramas and i'm i'm paraphrasing, i'm not using exeet— paraphrasing, i'm not using exeet teeth— paraphrasing, i'm not using exact legal terminology. $37 exact legal terminology. right? but exact legal terminology. right? het et— exact legal terminology. right? hit at the— exact legal terminology. right? but at the next— exact legal terminology. right? but at the next election, if trump stands, the biden administration will will say along the lines of this guy is corrupt and is a sexual predator. and those are two things that normally would rule you out of any election . yeah, i you out of any election. yeah, i mean, two things,— f" yeah, i mean, two things, patrick. one, wee-te— mean, two things, patrick. one, wee-re tight.— mean, two things, patrick. one, wee right. amt— mean, two things, patrick. one, you're right. and i— mean, two things, patrick. one, you're right. and i think it teee— you're right. and i think it does mean it— you're right. and i think it does mean it could cost rreeiteht— does mean it could cost president trump a few points. there-e— president trump a few points. there-e he— president trump a few points. there's no doubt— president trump a few points. there's no doubt about it . it there's no doubt about it. it tith-t— there's no doubt about it. it didn't matter— there's no doubt about it. it didn't matter to— there's no doubt about it. it didn't matter to many voters in here— didn't matter to many voters in here heeeeee—

didn't matter to many voters in 2016 because the— didn't matter to many voters in 2016 because the voters were so tieeeet— 2016 because the voters were so tieeeet with— 2016 because the voters were so disgust with establishment republicans— disgust with establishment republicans and democrats that thew— republicans and democrats that thew reehw— republicans and democrats that they really wanted to , you know, they really wanted to, you know, to they really wanted to, you know, te trw— they really wanted to, you know, te trw eemethihe— they really wanted to, you know, to try something different, they really wanted to, you know, to try something different , to to try something different, to hemihete— to try something different, to hemihete e— to try something different, to nominate a fighter for someone whe— nominate a fighter for someone whe weeht— nominate a fighter for someone who would push— nominate a fighter for someone who would push back against the establishment— who would push back against the establishment and— who would push back against the establishment and the so—called eeem-h — establishment and the so—called eeem-h het— establishment and the so—called swamp. but that_ establishment and the so—called swamp. but that is— establishment and the so—called swamp. but that is it's a little titteremt— swamp. but that is it's a little different now— swamp. but that is it's a little different now because the other eehtitetee— different now because the other candidates that_ different now because the other candidates that trump is running eeeimet— candidates that trump is running egeimet, hetehiw— candidates that trump is running against, notably ron desantis , against, notably ron desantis, but against, notably ron desantis, het eh— against, notably ron desantis, het ehh et— against, notably ron desantis, but all of them— against, notably ron desantis, but all of them really are are tee— but all of them really are are tee rehw— but all of them really are are tea party candidates . they're tea party candidates. they're teet— tea party candidates. they're post establishment republican. iheee— post establishment republican. iheee ere— post establishment republican. these are this— post establishment republican. these are this is— post establishment republican. these are this is not a return to these are this is not a return te the— these are this is not a return te the eeehtrw— these are this is not a return to the country club republicans. so to the country club republicans. se i— to the country club republicans. se i think— to the country club republicans. so i think this— to the country club republicans. so i think this could hurt rreme. — so i think this could hurt trump- thie— so i think this could hurt trump. this news can hurt trump in the— trump. this news can hurt trump in the eeherei— trump. this news can hurt trump in the general election. it erehehhw— in the general election. it probably helps him in the near m,— probably helps him in the near term-ite— probably helps him in the near term,-it's still— probably helps him in the near term, it's still way too term, but it's still way too eerhw. — term, but it's still way too eerhw. -het- term, but it's still way too- early. _had-today, early. and you had news today, you— early. and you had news today, wee-eheet— early. and you had news today, wee-eheet the— early. and you had news today, you about the biden family you know, about the biden family eerteh— you know, about the biden family cartel receiving— you know, about the biden family cartel receiving payments from trem— cartel receiving payments from trem ecr— cartel receiving payments from from ccp related— cartel receiving payments from from ccp related companies. that-e— from ccp related companies. there going— from ccp related companies. there going te— from ccp related companies. that's going to hurt biden. i think— that's going to hurt biden. i think thw— that's going to hurt biden. i think any republican will beat treme— think any republican will beat rreme im— think any republican will beat trump in 2024. _ think any republican will beat trump in 2024. 3c “fe/5" trump in 2024. erg thank you very much. thank you very, very much. greg swenson. there he is, the chair of republicans overseas. right in next overseas. right in the next houn overseas. right in the next hour, government bombshell hour, the government bombshell report. has plans report. this has scrapped plans

to laws. and to ditch 4800 eu laws. and should archbishop of should the archbishop of canterbury involved canterbury be getting involved in rwanda deal? patrick in the rwanda deal? patrick christys on .

gb news. good afternoon, everybody . it's good afternoon, everybody. it's 4 pm. and you are watching and listening to patrick christys on gb news. here's what's on the menu this hour. and we start with news that just with that news that broke just moments ago. us forget that bonfire of eu law. the tories have again and we have backed down again and we were to be scrapping were supposed to be scrapping around eu laws, supposed around 4800 eu laws, supposed oddly, that's not happening. find out much more information on that very shortly our on that very shortly with our deputy editor tom deputy political editor tom harwood. we're also going harwood. but we're also going to be talking other big be talking about this other big political story, of so political story, of course. so the of canterbury, the archbishop of canterbury, justin in on justin welby, has waded in on government migration policy, yet again. is he out of touch with the vast majority of the general pubuc the vast majority of the general public over the rwanda plan? is he wrong to stick his nose in?

should the lords be scrapped? lots to talk about there in other news as well , though, we other news as well, though, we are, of course, going to be talking about these these bombshell revelations from prince harry's latest court case. apologised case. the mirror has apologised and going to be talking and we're going to be talking about fleet about what the culture on fleet street like at the time that street was like at the time that these allegations were being brought. and all really brought. and what it all really means the phone hacking was means was the phone hacking was there not. we'll find out. and means was the phone hacking was therrt0iot. we'll find out. and means was the phone hacking was therrto wrap'e'll find out. and means was the phone hacking was therrto wrap'e'll finasiut. and means was the phone hacking was therrto wrap'e'll fin as well,nd just to wrap us off as well, national emergency has been declared have been declared and people have been evacuated from their homes after flash flooding in the southwest of england. it is desperately, desperately there. we're desperately bad there. we're going live from scene desperately bad there. we're go some live from scene desperately bad there. we're go some floodsz from scene desperately bad there. we're go some floods to 'om scene desperately bad there. we're go some floods to talk scene desperately bad there. we're go some floods to talk to scene desperately bad there. we're go some floods to talk to people of some floods to talk to people who unfortunately have had their homes and their livelihoods devastated this devastated as a result of this flash who's to flash flooding. but who's to blame, we blame, though? could we have done to prevent gb news done more to prevent it? gb news patrick christys here. i'll be with you for the next hour . with you for the next hour. emails thick and fast today. please people gbviews@gbnews.uk i think i'm going to ask you to get in touch about about archbishop welby. is he wrong to

essentially call the illegal migration bill immoral ? do you migration bill immoral? do you think that is beyond his wheelhouse and he should be busing out of that gb views gbnews.uk. now though, headlines with polly . patrick. thank you. with polly. patrick. thank you. good with polly. patrick. thank you. eeet evening— with polly. patrick. thank you. good evening to— with polly. patrick. thank you. good evening to you. - f thank you. good evening to you. the top eterw— good evening to you. the top eterw em— good evening to you. the top eterw eh eh— good evening to you. the top story on gb news— good evening to you. the top story on gb news government hithe— story on gb news government hhehe te— story on gb news government plans to remove— story on gb news government plans to remove 4800 eu laws trem— plans to remove 4800 eu laws trem the— plans to remove 4800 eu laws trem the uk— plans to remove 4800 eu laws from the uk statute books by the end et— from the uk statute books by the end et the— from the uk statute books by the end et the weer— from the uk statute books by the end of the year have now been eereeeeh— end of the year have now been eerehhet. the— end of the year have now been scrapped. the trade secretary hee— scrapped. the trade secretary has confirmed— scrapped. the trade secretary has confirmed that only a few hemtret— has confirmed that only a few hundred will— has confirmed that only a few hundred will actually be removed enter— hundred will actually be removed enter the— hundred will actually be removed under the retained eu law bill. the— under the retained eu law bill. the teeieieh— under the retained eu law bill. the decision is— under the retained eu law bill. the decision is being seen by mehw— the decision is being seen by mehw ee— the decision is being seen by mehw ee e— the decision is being seen by many as a u—turn_ the decision is being seen by many as a u—turn after the conservatives— many as a u—turn after the conservatives previously premieet— conservatives previously promised to— conservatives previously promised to scrap them all concerns over— promised to scrap them all concerns over the amount of time reeeiret— concerns over the amount of time reeeiret te— concerns over the amount of time reeeiret te eerrw— concerns over the amount of time required to carry out— concerns over the amount of time required to carry out the transition— required to carry out the transition is— required to carry out the transition is said to be behind the teeieiem— transition is said to be behind the decision .— transition is said to be behind the decision . well, sir keir the decision. well, sir keir stermer— the decision. well, sir keir starmer has— the decision. well, sir keir starmer has criticised rishi eemeh— starmer has criticised rishi sehet tetew— starmer has criticised rishi sehet tetew ,— starmer has criticised rishi sunak today , saying he no longer sunak today, saying he no longer has sunak today, saying he no longer hee e— sunak today, saying he no longer has a mandate— sunak today, saying he no longer has a mandate to— sunak today, saying he no longer has a mandate to run the country in the— has a mandate to run the country in the thet— has a mandate to run the country in the first prime— has a mandate to run the country in the first prime minister's eeeetiehe— in the first prime minister's questions since— in the first prime minister's questions since the local eheetiehe— questions since the local elections in— questions since the local elections in england , the elections in england, the conservative— elections in england, the conservative party lost control

of conservative party lost control et he— conservative party lost control of 48 councils— conservative party lost control of 48 councils and more than reee— of 48 councils and more than 1000 council— of 48 councils and more than 1000 council seats , while the 1000 council seats, while the them— 1000 council seats, while the heheer rehw— 1000 council seats, while the labour party gained more than too. — labour party gained more than too. the— labour party gained more than 500. the prime— labour party gained more than 500. the prime minister defended the reeeit— 500. the prime minister defended the result, saying— 500. the prime minister defended the result, saying a— 500. the prime minister defended the result, saying a general eheetieh— the result, saying a general election holds— the result, saying a general election holds far more significance— election holds far more significance since. but the them— significance since. but the labour leader— significance since. but the labour leader insists that the trime— labour leader insists that the prime minister— labour leader insists that the prime minister has lost the eehtitehee— prime minister has lost the confidence of— prime minister has lost the confidence of voters up and down the eeehtrw. — confidence of voters up and down the country. last— confidence of voters up and down the country. last year he lost a ierw— the country. last year he lost a ierw heeetw— the country. last year he lost a tory beauty contest to the emhe— tory beauty contest to the emhe ter— tory beauty contest to the member for south—west norfolk , member for south—west norfolk, whe— member for south—west norfolk, whe them— member for south—west norfolk, whe them teet— member for south—west norfolk, who then lost to _ member for south—west norfolk, who then lost to a— member for south—west norfolk, who then lost to a lettuce ietteee— who then lost to a lettuce lettuce last— who then lost to a lettuce lettuce last week. yeti?" who then lost to a lettuce lettuce last week. vets." lettuce last week. when he finally came into contact with voters, he lost everywhere, no matter who the electorate is. the prime minister keeps entering a two horse race and somehow finishing third. given his track record, who does he think he's actually got a mandate from ? mr mr speaker , mandate from? mr mr speaker, it's a mandate from? mr mr speaker, it-e e hit— mandate from? mr mr speaker, it-e e hit rieh— mandate from? mr mr speaker, it's a bit rich to— mandate from? mr mr speaker, it's a bit rich to hear- : 7 mr speaker, it's a bit rich to hear about mehtetee— it's a bit rich to hear about mandates from _ it's a bit rich to hear about mandates from the person who's erehem— mandates from the person who's hreheh every— mandates from the person who's broken every single promise. it; broken every single promise. he was broken every single promise. he erected— broken every single promise. he was elected on. _ broken every single promise. he was elected on. i— broken every single promise. he was elected on. i mean,- broken every single promise. he was elected on. i mean, go- was elected on. i mean, go through the list, mr speaker. nationalisation on nhs outsourcing,—

nationalisation on nhs outsourcing, universal credit the— outsourcing, universal credit emt ew— outsourcing, universal credit and now tuition— outsourcing, universal credit and now tuition fees . outsourcing, universal credit and now tuition fees. he outsourcing, universal credit and now tuition fees . he was, outsourcing, universal credit and now tuition fees. he was, mr speak...— and now tuition fees. he was, mr sheeter, he— and now tuition fees. he was, mr speakere he we— and now tuition fees. he was, mr speaker, he was for— and now tuition fees. he was, mr speaker, he was for them all hetere— speaker, he was for them all hetere he— speaker, he was for them all before he was— speaker, he was for them all before he was against them . he's before he was against them. he's not before he was against them. he's met me— before he was against them. he's met me het— before he was against them. he's not he's not just— before he was against them. he's not he's not just a— before he was against them. he's not he's not just a softy. he's the— not he's not just a softy. he's the thehw— not he's not just a softy. he's the tiehw te— not he's not just a softy. he's the flaky to the _ not he's not just a softy. he's the flaky to the archbishop of cemterherw— the flaky to the archbishop of canterbury has— the flaky to the archbishop of canterbury has condemned the eeemmeh-et— canterbury has condemned the government's illegal migration bill government's illegal migration hihi im— government's illegal migration hihi in e— government's illegal migration hihi in e rere— government's illegal migration bill in a rare intervention in the— bill in a rare intervention in the heeee— bill in a rare intervention in the house of— bill in a rare intervention in the house of lords. the controversy _ the house of lords. the controversy legislation aims to detain and promptly remove migrants who arrive in the uk in small boats. it also looks to limit the ability of the european court of human rights to prevent the deport nation of asylum seekers . downing street asylum seekers. downing street says the bill is compassion , says the bill is compassion, honest and fair. but justin welby says it treats migrants as invaders. it is a siloed bill, not a whole of government. bill. it does not draw in eehthiet— bill. it does not draw in conflict management and erewemtiem— conflict management and prevention, which drives mieretieh— prevention, which drives migration. it— prevention, which drives migration. it does not draw in ehimete— migration. it does not draw in climate impacts— migration. it does not draw in climate impacts which drive mieretieh— climate impacts which drive migration and— climate impacts which drive migration and conflict. it is isolationist—

migration and conflict. it is isolationist .— migration and conflict. it is isolationist. it— migration and conflict. it is isolationist. it is morally unacceptable— isolationist. it is morally unacceptable and politically imeeete— unacceptable and politically impeete people— unacceptable and politically impacts people . iii; unacceptable and politically impacts people . impacts people. members of the pubuc impacts people. members of the public and commercial services union have voted to renew their mandate to keep taking industrial action for the next six months. the decision comes as other civil servants belonging to the prospect union began a new walkout in their long running dispute over pay jobs and redundancy terms. this follows the government's 4.5% pay follows the government's 4.5% pay rise offer , which the union pay rise offer, which the union said will further erode living standards . well, the former standards. well, the former trade secretary, lord peter lilley, has told gb news the house of lords has no option but to pass the bill. it will have a tough time, but it will get through because if the lords were to stop the measures to stop the boat people , that would stop the boat people, that would be the end of the house of lords. then it would commit eeieite— lords. then it would commit eeieite. the— lords. then it would commit suicide. the public- : then it would commit suicide. the public wouldn't eteht— suicide. the public wouldn't eteht thet— suicide. the public wouldn't stand that our— suicide. the public wouldn't stand that our policies that weeht,— stand that our policies that weeht, et— stand that our policies that would, of course, was to do with the previeee— would, of course, was to do with the previous story— would, of course, was to do with the previous story on illegal mieretieh— the previous story on illegal mieretieh . — the previous story on illegal migration . then- the previous story on illegal migration . “1:7“

the previous story on illegal migration . migration. then let's jump forward now and tell you that incidentally, you can watch the full exclusive interview with lord peter lilley. any case, lord peter lilley. in any case, at 6:00 on sunday in gloria meets. now in other news, as you've been hearing, the publisher the mirror publisher of the mirror newspaper unreservedly newspaper has unreservedly apologised to the duke of sussex for unlawful information gathering at the start of a high court trial over alleged phone hacking. mirror group newspapers admitted that prince harry's legal challenge warrants compensation in the tabloid, also promised the behaviour would never be repeated . other would never be repeated. other high profile claimants involved . the trial sorry, involved in the trial include the former girls aloud singer cheryl and the estate of george michael and the estate of george michael and the footballer ian wright . now the footballer ian wright. now news from the united states republican congressman jorge santos has been placed in us custody after being charged with fraud and money laundering. the justice department says the 34 year old used campaign funds to purchase designer clothes and pay purchase designer clothes and pay off personal debt. mr santos also allegedly applied for

unemployment money while being employed and running for congress . he's expected to congress. he's expected to appearin congress. he's expected to appear in court in new york later . and finally , a charity is later. and finally, a charity is warning poor diabetes care could be linked to more than 7000 excess deaths in england last yeah excess deaths in england last year. diabetes uk says the figure is 13% higher than pre—pandemic levels and could be due to the backlog in routine care . the charity has also found care. the charity has also found less than half of 11,000 people living with the condition have received all the necessary checks over the last two years. those are your latest news stories. we'll have more news as it happens. now back to . it happens. now back to. patrick let's get stuck straight into in let's get stuck straight into that in the - let's get stuck straight into that in the last. that news that broke in the last heer. — that news that broke in the last heer. -hewe— that news that broke in the last hour.-have ditched. that news that broke in the last hour. have ditched the hour. ministers have ditched the end hour. ministers have ditched the ehtlweer— hour. ministers have ditched the emtlweer tweet— hour. ministers have ditched the emtlweer tereet ,— hour. ministers have ditched the end year target , complete end of year target, complete a premier—

end of year target, complete a promised bonfire— end of year target, complete a promised bonfire of 4800 eu era heee— promised bonfire of 4800 eu era iewe .— promised bonfire of 4800 eu era iewe . i— promised bonfire of 4800 eu era iewe . r em— promised bonfire of 4800 eu era laws . i am joined— promised bonfire of 4800 eu era laws . i am joined now to pick laws. i am joined now to pick them— laws. i am joined now to pick threeeh the— laws. i am joined now to pick through the charred remains of thie— through the charred remains of this particular— through the charred remains of this particular government plan by this particular government plan hw eer— this particular government plan hw teeetw— this particular government plan by our deputy political editor , by our deputy political editor, tem— by our deputy political editor, iem herweeh— by our deputy political editor, tom harwood. so— by our deputy political editor, tom harwood. so what's happening or tom harwood. so what's happening er eheeht— tom harwood. so what's happening er eheeht it— tom harwood. so what's happening er eheeht it he— tom harwood. so what's happening or should it be not— tom harwood. so what's happening or should it be not happening? wheth— or should it be not happening? wehh whet— or should it be not happening? wehh whet ie— or should it be not happening? well, what is not— or should it be not happening? well, what is not happening is the erieihei— well, what is not happening is the original plan— well, what is not happening is the original plan for what's thewh— the original plan for what's thewhlthe— the original plan for what's known the retained eu law known as the retained eu law hihh. — known as the retained eu law hihh. thie— known as the retained eu law bill. this was— known as the retained eu law bill. this was a— known as the retained eu law bill. this was a bill- known as the retained eu law bill. this was a bill drawn up by jacob rees—mogg when he was business secretary and indeed before when he was brexit opportunity minister. and was opportunity minister. and he was really driving this legislation through clear out that through to clear out that backlog of eu law that is still on uk statute books. a lot of brexiteers have complained that actually we haven't taken opportunities is taken those full opportunities of leaving the european union because so many laws are still those many of our laws are still those eu laws that have been made over our many decades of membership. they haven't yet been repealed or reviewed . so this bill was or reviewed. so this bill was designed to review and repeal them by the end of the year. okay. now the change today is in a written ministerial statement

by the trade and business secretary, kemi badenoch, she has said that instead of all of these pieces of legislation being removed or reviewed by the end of the year, apart from those which are explicitly saved , all of them will be saved . and , all of them will be saved. and apart from those which are explicitly removed, a complete 180 u—turn on the original position. now tom was doing some digging— position. now tom was doing some digging ,— position. now tom was doing some digging , ee— position. now tom was doing some digging , ee he— position. now tom was doing some digging , as he often— c tit“ now tom was doing some digging , as he often does c t1it“ now tom was doing some digging , as he often does very digging, as he often does very wett— digging, as he often does very wehh ehe— digging, as he often does very well, and managed to unearth a witee— well, and managed to unearth a witee whith— well, and managed to unearth a video which we're— well, and managed to unearth a video which we're going to play werw— video which we're going to play werw ehertiw— video which we're going to play werw eherthw. het— video which we're going to play very shortly. but do you want to tee it— very shortly. but do you want to tee it ehe— very shortly. but do you want to tee it up? hhhet— very shortly. but do you want to tee it up? what exactly is it? heir.— tee it up? what exactly is it? heh. eer— tee it up? what exactly is it? well, over the— tee it up? what exactly is it? well, over the summer- tee it up? what exactly is it? well, over the summer rishi sunak campaigned and made a lot of promises order try of promises in order to try and win the tory membership. win over the tory membership. one that he one of those promises that he made the conservative party made to the conservative party faithful was that would be faithful was that he would be the pro brexit prime the most pro brexit prime minister. he said he would remove all of these pieces of eu law, thousands of these pieces of eu law. in his first 100 days as prime minister. okay, let's play as prime minister. okay, let's play it .

begum . and in light of that begum. and in light of that video, tom, it's worth reminding everybody just one more time what's happened today ? well, what's happened today? well, instead of the eu laws being shredded, as in that video that

rishi sunak played out over the summer, campaigning to be prime minister, it's in fact that promise to repeal that eu law. so that is instead being shredded. that video has been ehrettet— shredded. that video has been shredded basically.— 33: that video has been shredded basically. right. okay. hew— shredded basically. right. okay. hew heeh— shredded basically. right. okay. now look, what— shredded basically. right. okay. now look, what does this ereetieehhw— now look, what does this practically mean on the to practically mean on the day to day— practically mean on the day to tewlheehhee— practically mean on the day to day people? know, is day for people? you know, is thie— day for people? you know, is thie-e— day for people? you know, is thie-e whet- day for people? you know, is this a what would you this more of a what would you say,— this more of a what would you say e— this more of a what would you say, a semantics— this more of a what would you say, a semantics thing for brexiteers? _ say, a semantics thing for brexiteers? was it a simple eehe— brexiteers? was it a simple hehie thine— brexiteers? was it a simple bolic thing or— brexiteers? was it a simple bolic thing or is— brexiteers? was it a simple bolic thing or is this going to hete— bolic thing or is this going to hewe emw— bolic thing or is this going to have any kind— bolic thing or is this going to have any kind of— bolic thing or is this going to have any kind of practise implication— have any kind of practise implication on- have any kind of practise implication on our laws and our ihehihitw— implication on our laws and our ihehihitw hettw— implication on our laws and our inability motty, as— implication on our laws and our inability motty, as it were, to tete— inability motty, as it were, to tehe teet— inability motty, as it were, to take back control? betticc take back control? well, this is really and when jacob really profound and when jacob rees—mogg brexit rees—mogg was brexit opportunities minister, he created retained eu law created a retained eu law dashboard through these dashboard to go through these many of pieces of eu many thousands of pieces of eu law regulations on various parts of our lives. one of the big promises of brexit, of course, was being able to diverge from the eu's set of regulations , the eu's set of regulations, being able to free up our businesses to unleash the potential of the united kingdom, keeping all of this regulation on our business laws and on our lives means that it's less likely the uk will be able to

take those opportunities and be that more deregulated sort of singapore on thames argument for a more liberated united . i've a more liberated united. i've never understood what- c : 1“ tit: i've never understood what the ereemem— never understood what the argument against that really is eeteehhw— argument against that really is eeteehhw. hee— argument against that really is actually. you know the idea that we eeehe— actually. you know the idea that we eeeht teet— actually. you know the idea that we could just take— actually. you know the idea that we could just take full etwemteee— we could just take full advantage, full advantage our advantage, full advantage of our hetieheh — advantage, full advantage of our national. well,— advantage, full advantage of our national. well, there- advantage, full advantage of our national. �*ft�*ti;cc 1“t1:1”ti; t:�*”tfl advantage, full advantage of our national. �*ft�*ti;cc 1“t1:1”ti; t:�*”t'i: national. well, there are lots of interest groups that grow up around eu laws. of course, if there's a regulation on businesses, the businesses that have that have already implemented that regulation, don't want , regulation, they don't want, they've compliance they've got the compliance departments, particularly the big can big businesses they can sometimes feel that these regulations suit them. what they don't suit is new entrants, new entrants to the market. they're sort of known as barriers to entry. often in economics, entry. very often in economics, and that entrenches as the big businesses and stops new ones and the corporation tax that we've got at the moment. so you look at the difference— we've got at the moment. so you look at the difference in- look at the difference in corporation _ look at the difference in corporation tax, the small businesses _ corporation tax, the small businesses-pay- corporation tax, the small businesses pay in the businesses will pay in the rehehhie— businesses will pay in the republic ireland they republic of ireland than they wihh— republic of ireland than they will-northern— republic of ireland than they will northern ireland the will in northern ireland or the teet— will in northern ireland or the reetlthe— will in northern ireland or the rest-the-and- will in northern ireland or the rest-the .and you - will in northern ireland or the rest the and you do rest of the uk. and you do think,— rest of the uk. and you do thihh—eeihel rest of the uk. and you do| think,_going to rest of the uk. and you do- think,_going to end think, yeah, we're going to end up think, yeah, we're going to end eh teet— think, yeah, we're going to end up just singularly, almost with theee— up just singularly, almost with theee-tewhe— up just singularly, almost with these _towns of- up just singularly, almost with these towns of these big these clone towns of these big

eereeretieme— these clone towns of these big corporations businesses? corporations and big businesses? et corporations and big businesses? ti—heih- corporations and big businesses? ti—heih het- et cetera. i can't help but wehert— et cetera. i can't help but wonder whether not that's wonder whether or not that's going— wonder whether or not that's eeme-he— wonder whether or not that's eeme-he the— wonder whether or not that's going be the thing. just going to be the thing. just ehether— going to be the thing. just another one,— going to be the thing. just another one, tom, you as another one, tom, for you as wehh— another one, tom, for you as wet-hew.— another one, tom, for you as eeh-hew. ee- another one, tom, for you as well-now. so the- another one, tom, for you as- well-now. so the amount well on this now. so the amouth of well on this now. so the amount et-thet— well on this now. so the amount et-thet ee— well on this now. so the amount of-that are going- well on this now. so the amount of-that are going to- well on this now. so the amount of that are going to be of laws that are going to be eemet,— of laws that are going to be emee-ari- of laws that are going to be burned,_all-to. of laws that are going to bei burned,_all-to be burned, these all have to be wetet— burned, these all have to be voted parliament. don't voted through parliament. don't thewe— voted through parliament. don't they?_presumably they? yes. and then presumably they? yes. and then presumably the—the- they? yes. and then presumably the—the hithi the lords, the way that the bill hee— the lords, the way that the bill hee-ie— the lords, the way that the bill hee-ie eh— the lords, the way that the bill hee-ie eh the- the lords, the way that the bill has-is on the face- the lords, the way that the bill has is on the face of has changed is on the face of the— has changed is on the face of the hihh — has changed is on the face of the bill. instead— has changed is on the face of the bill. instead of- has changed is on the face of the bill. : “g the bill. instead of saying all of these laws are sunsetted apart which are apart from those which are saved, will all retained saved, they will all be retained apart those are put on apart from those that are put on the of the bill. right? and the face of the bill. right? and that means, as the bill goes through parliament, of through parliament, each of these laws, is these individual laws, that is thatis these individual laws, that is that is designed to be removed. now will have legislative scrutiny. that's what the house of lords has been campaigning for. and it that there is for. and it means that there is going to be going to be a going to be it's going to be a far process to rid of far slower process to get rid of these but it's going to be these laws, but it's going to be never ending. we're going to be here— never ending. we're going to be here every— never ending. we're going to be here every single— never ending. we're going to be here every single day— t1i7“t: “g we're going to be here every single day or every ethere— here every single day or every emehe week— here every single day or every single week talking about some bit-legislation— single week talking about some bit-legislation ,— single week talking about some bit legislation , regulation bit of legislation, regulation on bit of legislation, regulation eh teeeete— bit of legislation, regulation eh teeeete er— bit of legislation, regulation on teapots or the regulation on the etremeth— on teapots or the regulation on the strength of— on teapots or the regulation on the strength of hoover's or the reeeietieh— the strength of hoover's or the reeehetiem. — the strength of hoover's or the regulation . these— the strength of hoover's or the regulation . t:�*”t'i: 1“t1i"ri; the strength of hoover's or the regulation . t:�*”t'i: 1“t1:1”ti; t:�*”tfl regulation. these are there are so many different little laws that the eu has placed and it will going through

will remember going through those debates. it's those brexit debates. it's almost endless, tedious little laws and sometimes the little laws and sometimes the little laws can seem silly, some sometimes they can seem, well, this isn't going to have a profound effect on the economy. the strength vacuum the strength of a vacuum cleaner. actually of cleaner. but actually all of these little add up and these little things add up and cumulative place a weight around the neck of the british economy. so argue the brexiteers is and one of the issues is being having to have so much scrutiny in removing them will slow that process. but it will just really with a laser like focus highlight to people , you know, highlight to people, you know, when there's a pmqs or something in ed stands up and he in ed davey stands up and he goes, oh, you know, marjorie in my agency owns a hoover company and repeal this law and and if we repeal this law and with respect with with respect to marjorie, with the company, that is one the hoover company, that is one person out of few person out of maybe a few hundred that might hundred people who that might really the united really affect in the united kingdom. okay. that's going kingdom. okay. but that's going to kingdom. okay. but that's going te he— kingdom. okay. but that's going to be highlighted.— kingdom. okay. but that's going to be highlighted. it— 3: okay. but that's going to be highlighted. it will hiehhieht— to be highlighted. it will highlight negative of and highlight the negative of it and them—eti— highlight the negative of it and them—eh e- highlight the negative of it and them—eh e big- then it will kick off a big thing— then it will kick off a big thine-eh— then it will kick off a big thine-ehle- then it will kick off a big thing all a sudden the thing and all of a sudden the heme— thing and all of a sudden the ieriee eeh-t— thing and all of a sudden the tories don't care— thing and all of a sudden the tories don't care about hoover mtere — tories don't care about hoover mtere .it— tories don't care about hoover makers. .it can- tories don't care about hoover makers. .it can get- tories don't care about hoover makers. c i 1“ gic : tories don't care about hoover. makers. .it can get down to makers. it is it can get down to that level. and i think one of

the other issues is that the other issues there is that it can almost seem irrelevant to people's lives when actually the cumulative effect of all of these laws very relevant. these laws is very relevant. it's to growth, it's it's relevant to growth, it's relevant prosperity. relevant to prosperity. motty and of the issues with doing and one of the issues with doing this in slower is this in such a slower way is that it may be become bunged up in the legislative process would be absolute madness. anyway, tom, thank be absolute madness. anyway, iem, theht wee— be absolute madness. anyway, tom, thank you - much - be absolute madness. anyway, tom, thank you-much for. tom, thank you very much for bringing— tom, thank you very much for bringing thet— tom, thank you very much for bringing that to— tom, thank you very much for bringing that to us. i am going to bringing that to us. i am going heeme—— bringing that to us. i am going teeeme— werw- bringing that to us. i am going to some very strong to go now to some very strong wette— to go now to some very strong eerie-the— to go now to some very strong words the archbishop words from the archbishop of cehterherw— words from the archbishop of canterbury judging by the canterbury who judging by the ihhex— canterbury who judging by the inbox gbviews@gbnews.uk quite a few inbox gbviews@gbnews.uk quite a tee—tite— inbox gbviews@gbnews.uk quite a tee—hite te- few of you would like to give him— few of you would like to give him-etrehe— few of you would like to give him-strong words- few of you would like to give him strong words as well. him a few strong words as well. i'll him a few strong words as well. tit-eehe— him a few strong words as well. i-thleeihe te— him a few strong words as well. i-thleeihe te-ih- i'll be going to them in a eeehet— i'll be going to them in a second. but— i'll be going to them in a second. but he- i'll be going to them in a second. but he was once again etteetet— second. but he was once again etteetet the— second. but he was once again attacked the government's immieretieh— immigration policy, the archbishop— immigration policy, the archbishop the immigration policy, the- archbishop-the house archbishop said. in the house of ierie— archbishop said. in the house of herte thet— archbishop said. in the house of herte thet it— archbishop said. in the house of lords that it is— archbishop said. in the house of lords that it is morally unacceptable to leave the heereet— unacceptable to leave the poorest countries deal with unacceptable to leave the pooproblem.:ries dealwith unacceptable to leave the poo problem. it's deal with unacceptable to leave the poo problem. it's the ieal with unacceptable to leave the poo problem. it's the third vith unacceptable to leave the poo problem. it's the third time the problem. it's the third time in teet— the problem. it's the third time in teet-e— the problem. it's the third time in teet-e weer— the problem. it's the third time in just-a year that- the problem. it's the third time in just a year that justin in just over a year that justin herew— in just over a year that justin heihw-hit— in just over a year that justin welby-hit-plans. in just over a year that justin welby hit plans to welby has hit out at plans to eehe— welby has hit out at plans to solve-small— welby has hit out at plans to solve small boats crisis. solve the small boats crisis. het-e— solve the small boats crisis. here—ie- let's hear him. it is isolationist . it let's hear him. it is isolationist. it is morally unaccepted , stable and unaccepted, stable and politically empowered . tactical politically empowered. tactical to let the poorest countries deal with the crisis alone and cut our international aid . this

cut our international aid. this bill fails utterly to take a long term and strategic view of the challenges of migration and undermines international cooperation rather than taking an opportunity for the uk to show leadership as we did in 1951. even even if this bill succeeds in temporarily stopping the boats, and i don't think it will, it won't stop conflict or climate migration in the ipcc forecasts that climate change by itself, let alone the conflicts it's already causing, will lead to at least 800 million more refugee. these a year in total by 2050. i urge the government to reconsider much of the bill which fails to live up to our history , our moral history, our moral responsibility and our politically , our political and politically, our political and international interests . okay,

international interests. okay, so that's archbishop. - 1“ct1i 1“ct1i okay, so that's archbishop. they're justin — so that's archbishop. they're reetm wehhw. — so that's archbishop. they're justin welby. gordon's been on. why— justin welby. gordon's been on. why teee— justin welby. gordon's been on. whw teee wehhw— justin welby. gordon's been on. why does welby not concentrate on why does welby not concentrate eh hie— why does welby not concentrate eh hie hew— why does welby not concentrate eh hie tew tet— why does welby not concentrate eh hie tew teh et— why does welby not concentrate on his day job of filling eherehee— on his day job of filling churches with- on his day job of filling churches with local parishioners iheteet— churches with local parishioners iheteet et— churches with local parishioners instead of thwarting a government- instead of thwarting a government bill to stop boat mieretiem— government bill to stop boat mieretieh e— government bill to stop boat migration ? ian— government bill to stop boat migration ? ian gordon goes on, migration? ian gordon goes on, het— migration? ian gordon goes on, het i— migration? ian gordon goes on, het i heweh-t— migration? ian gordon goes on, but i haven't got— migration? ian gordon goes on, but i haven't got all day. eerteh— but i haven't got all day. gordon also, _ but i haven't got all day. gordon also, as well. no name on thie— gordon also, as well. no name on thie ehe— gordon also, as well. no name on thie he— gordon also, as well. no name on this one. he really— gordon also, as well. no name on this one. he really needs to etiet— this one. he really needs to etiet te— this one. he really needs to etiet te hie— this one. he really needs to stick to his own— this one. he really needs to stick to his own job. nothing ehee— stick to his own job. nothing etee-him. - stick to his own job. nothing else-him. there's. stick to his own job. nothing else him. there's all else concerns him. there's all of else concerns him. there's all et-etewe— else concerns him. there's all of-okay? there's- else concerns him. there's all of okay? there's lot of of this, okay? there's a lot of thet.— of this, okay? there's a lot of thet-weer— of this, okay? there's a lot of that.-your views- of this, okay? there's a lot of that. your views coming in. that. keep your views coming in. gb that. keep your views coming in. the _th— that. keep your views coming in. he _the hem— that. keep your views coming in. gb-gb news .uk- that. keep your views coming in. gb gb news .uk i'm gb views at gb news .uk i'm going— gb views at gb news .uk i'm goinglgo_ gb views at gb news .uk i'm eeihelee-hew- gb views at gb news .uk i'm eeihelee-hew te- gb views at gb news .uk i'm going go now to our going to go back now to our petitieeh— going to go back now to our political-tom - going to go back now to our political tom harwood on political editor, tom harwood on this political editor, tom harwood on thie ieeee— political editor, tom harwood on this issue,-remains- political editor, tom harwood on this issue, remains situ this issue, who remains in situ here— this issue, who remains in situ herelthe— this issue, who remains in situ here-the studio— this issue, who remains in situ here-the studio .— this issue, who remains in situ here the studio . tom, the here in the studio. tom, the ieee— here in the studio. tom, the itee thet— here in the studio. tom, the idea that welby— here in the studio. tom, the idea that welby should be getting— idea that welby should be getting involved in this, i he— getting involved in this, i mean, he can— getting involved in this, i mean, he can that's part of his rete— mean, he can that's part of his rehe reehhw— mean, he can that's part of his rehe reeihw .— mean, he can that's part of his role really. he's— mean, he can that's part of his role really. he's in— mean, he can that's part of his role really. he's in the house of role really. he's in the house et ierie— role really. he's in the house of lords, isn't— role really. he's in the house of lords, isn't he?— role really. he's in the house of lords, isn't he? i think for the— of lords, isn't he? i think for me, the wider— of lords, isn't he? i think for me, the wider question is not reeihw— me, the wider question is not reeihw-eheet— me, the wider question is not really about welby and really just about welby and whether— really just about welby and whether-not— really just about welby and whether not called this whether or not he's called this eee-eheet- whether or not he's called this eee-eheet e- whether or not he's called this one-about a policy. one right. it's about a policy thet— one right. it's about a policy thet hee— one right. it's about a policy thet hee et— one right. it's about a policy that has at least— one right. it's about a policy that has at least 47% support for that has at least 47% support ter trem — that has at least 47% support ter item the— that has at least 47% support for from the british public, at heeet— for from the british public, at heeet thet— for from the british public, at least that the— for from the british public, at least that the democratically eheetet — least that the democratically elected conservative government with— elected conservative government with e— elected conservative government with e etehtihe— elected conservative government with a stonking majority wants to with a stonking majority wants te eeeh— with a stonking majority wants to push through.— with a stonking majority wants to push through. that has ehreetw— to push through. that has ehreetw get— to push through. that has already got through the house of cemmehe— already got through the house of cemmehe thet— already got through the house of

commons that could now be theetet— commons that could now be knocked back— commons that could now be knocked back in— commons that could now be knocked back in the lords heeeeee— knocked back in the lords because as— knocked back in the lords because as in— knocked back in the lords because as in lords there is because as in the lords there is a because as in the lords there is e miheritw— because as in the lords there is e miheritw et— because as in the lords there is a minority of conservatives and thet—tite- that doesn't seem like democracy. - that doesn't seem like democracy. that doesn't seem like- democracy. .is a really big democracy. this is a really big concern, particularly for those who think that it's quite good having a revising chamber in our national legislature , having the national legislature, having the primary chamber, being the elected house of the commons and having a revising chamber of the lords, the problem comes if the lords, the problem comes if the lords oversteps that role, if it tries to fundamentally change the challenge, the will of the elected house, you get real problems and clashes . and in an problems and clashes. and in an era when for example, the labour party is proposing outright abolition of the house of lords, when you get these questions raising up might or the interventions by people like justin welby today actually fundamentally undermine their own position if they create these big disagreements between these big disagreements between the elected and the unelected might we see a position whereby the government moves towards advocating abolition of the bishops in the lords and people might think that that's a good

idea on this issue. but other people might think that losing that sort of sense of spirituality in our legislature might not be good thing. but might not be a good thing. but at moment is pretty at the moment the case is pretty straightforward _ at the moment the case is pretty straightforward .the - at the moment the case is pretty straightforward the lords straightforward for the lords theetihe— straightforward for the lords knocking this— straightforward for the lords knocking this into the long ereee— knocking this into the long ereeeliehe— knocking this into the long ereeelhehe ee- knocking this into the long grass long as can, grass as long as they can, heeeeee— grass as long as they can, heeeeee it— grass as long as they can, because if-is- grass as long as they can, because if-is a- grass as long as they can, because if is a minority because if there is a minority of because if there is a minority et—therel because if there is a minority ot_i.e.e, itl of conservatives in there, it etemte— of conservatives in there, it stands-reason- of conservatives in there, it stands reason the most stands to reason that the most of stands to reason that the most et the— stands to reason that the most et the people— stands to reason that the most et the heeete ih— stands to reason that the most of the people in there would not went— want another conservative eeemmet— government. rishi sunak has eteet— government. rishi sunak has eteet-hhihth— government. rishi sunak has stood plinth that says stop stood on a plinth that says stop the teete— stood on a plinth that says stop the heetelit— stood on a plinth that says stop the boats-it. .the - stood on a plinth that says stop the boats it. the lords the boats on it. if the lords etee— the boats on it. if the lords etee him— the boats on it. if the lords can stop him stopping the boats, them—ih- can stop him stopping the boats, theh—ih et- can stop him stopping the boats, theh—ih et the- then he doesn't get in at the meet— then he doesn't get in at the next election— then he doesn't get in at the next election and— then he doesn't get in at the next election and bish bash eeeh— next election and bish bash heeh thew-we— next election and bish bash bosh, they've done their job wehh — bosh, they've done their job wehh thie— bosh, they've done their job well. this was— bosh, they've done their job well. this was the- bosh, they've done their job well. 1“ it”; bosh, they've done their job well. 1“ ritigc well. this was the argument of bnan well. this was the argument of brian lord pannick, the brian pannick, lord pannick, the lib the house lords. lib dem in the house of lords. he very on in the he spoke very early on in the debate today saying we should just out this bill. the just throw out this bill. the lords reject but then lords should reject it. but then the party stood up and the labour party stood up and said, that. if you said, don't do that. if you throw out this bill, then the parliament act throw out this bill, then the pethe ment act throw out this bill, then the pethe house act throw out this bill, then the pethe house of act throw out this bill, then the pethe house of commons act throw out this bill, then the pethe house of commons couldt it the house of commons could put next king's speech put it in the next king's speech and override the wishes of the lords. labour party and lords. so the labour party and indeed justin welby are doing something slightly subtle something slightly more subtle than democrats. than the liberal democrats. they want with what the want to amend it with what the government would see wrecking government would see as wrecking

amendments and keeping bill amendments and keeping the bill there, it. so when passes issues of it. so when it passes it less effective in the it will be less effective in the government's be government's view, it will be less effective. and of course, weeh— less effective. and of course, weeh tite— less effective. and of course, yeabe hite wee— less effective. and of course, yeah, like you said,- ti;�*"�*"ti;ti.c and of course, yeah, like you said, there, it with— yeah, like you said, there, it wihh tehew— yeah, like you said, there, it wihh teiew it— yeah, like you said, there, it will delay it massively. tom herweet— will delay it massively. tom harwood thank— will delay it massively. tom harwood thank you very much. our teeetw— harwood thank you very much. our teeetw-etiter— deputy political editor tom herweet— deputy political editor tom. harwood—couple deputy political editor tom- harwood_couple of harwood there with a couple of big,— harwood there with a couple of hie—te— harwood there with a couple of hie—te get- harwood there with a couple of hie—te eet ee- big, big stories to get us going-— big, big stories to get us going- het— big, big stories to get us going. but another one, going. but another big one, eeheeiehhw— going. but another big one, especially happen to live especially if you happen to live in the— especially if you happen to live in the south—west, apparently heeeeee— in the south—west, apparently because villages— because villages in the south—west— because villages in the south—west counting the because villages in the- south—west-counting the cost south—west are counting the cost etter— south—west are counting the cost etter-hit— south—west are counting the cost etter-hit by— south—west are counting the cost after-hit by flash- after they were hit by flash theete. — after they were hit by flash floods-want- after they were hit by flash floods. want national floods. they want a national emereehew— floods. they want a national- emereemew—heehhe floods. they want a national- emer been _people floods. they want a national emer been evacuated people floods. they want a national emer been evacuated from people floods. they want a national emer been evacuated from theirle have been evacuated from their hemee — homes. it's devastating stuff. he— homes. it's devastating stuff. are—hete- homes. it's devastating stuff.| are—have another are we going to have another summer-extreme- are we going to have another summer extreme weather? and summer of extreme weather? and i just summer of extreme weather? and i ieet eew— summer of extreme weather? and i ieet eew whw— summer of extreme weather? and i ieet eew whw eh— summer of extreme weather? and i just say why oh, why, oh, why are-dredging- just say why oh, why, oh, why are dredging more rivers? are we not dredging more rivers? serieeehw,— are we not dredging more rivers? serieeehw,-hewe- seriously, didn't we have a treeeht— seriously, didn't we have a drought last— seriously, didn't we have a drought last year with a the drought last year with a in the herteet— drought last year with a in the herteet time— drought last year with a in the perfect time to _ drought last year with a in the perfect time to do _ drought last year with a in the perfect time to do it? and

me. you're listening to gb news radio . welcome back. dramatic radio. welcome back. dramatic weather, apparently, ladies and gents, because flash flooding, hailstorms and heavy rain have led to a major incident being declared in somerset. homes have had to declared in somerset. homes have het te he— declared in somerset. homes have had to be evacuated— declared in somerset. homes have had to be evacuated due- declared in somerset. homes have had to be evacuated due to- had to be evacuated due to metehitee. — had to be evacuated due to mudslides. and— had to be evacuated due to mudslides. and the environment

heehew— mudslides. and the environment heehew hee— mudslides. and the environment agency has warned further theetime— agency has warned further theetihe ie— agency has warned further flooding is very much possible. the— flooding is very much possible. the petite— flooding is very much possible. the public are— flooding is very much possible. the public are being urged not to the public are being urged not te ettemht— the public are being urged not te ettemht te — the public are being urged not to attempt to drive through the theetweter. — to attempt to drive through the floodwater. jeff— to attempt to drive through the floodwater. jeff moody joins me now:— floodwater. jeff moody joins me whe— floodwater. jeff moody joins me whe ie— floodwater. jeff moody joins me whe ie ih— floodwater. jeff moody joins me now, who is in queen camel in eemereet,— now, who is in queen camel in semereet, ee— now, who is in queen camel in somerset, one of— now, who is in queen camel in somerset, one of the worst hit wihheeee— somerset, one of the worst hit vihheeee et— somerset, one of the worst hit villages at jeff. _ somerset, one of the worst hit villages at jeff. look, thanks for villages at jeff. look, thanks ter joining— villages at jeff. look, thanks ter teihihe ee— villages at jeff. look, thanks for joining us. what's going on forjoining us. what's going on there— forjoining us. what's going on there i— forjoining us. what's going on there ? thank— forjoining us. what's going on there ? thank you— forjoining us. what's going on there ? thank you very much. there? thank you very much. hee. — there? thank you very much. hee. wheth— there? thank you very much. yes. well, this— there? thank you very much. yes. well, this is— there? thank you very much. yes. well, this is the- there? thank you very much. yes. well, this is the malicious cafe, the floor is totally covered in mud. a lot of the furniture has been ruined. a lot of the crockery and the cutlery has been ruined . we heard a huge has been ruined. we heard a huge flood of water coming in around 8:00 last night. and the damage has been extensive . caroline, has been extensive. caroline, what did you witness when you turned up here this morning ? turned up here this morning? well, we had trouble getting threeeh— well, we had trouble getting threeeh the— well, we had trouble getting through the front door because the ther— through the front door because the floor had— through the front door because the floor had lifted and all the temitere— the floor had lifted and all the furniture had— the floor had lifted and all the furniture had moved around . furniture had moved around. so it we— furniture had moved around. so it reeihw— furniture had moved around. so it was really hard— furniture had moved around. so it was really hard to— furniture had moved around. so it was really hard to get- furniture had moved around. so it was really hard to get in- furniture had moved around. so it was really hard to get in the cafe this morning . the fridge cafe this morning. the fridge freezers were on the floor.

they'd actually turned over . we they'd actually turned over. we hete— they'd actually turned over. we hewe e— they'd actually turned over. we have a massive— they'd actually turned over. we have a massive chest freezer whieh— have a massive chest freezer whieh het— have a massive chest freezer which had also— have a massive chest freezer which had also gone on the floor ehe— which had also gone on the floor emt temet— which had also gone on the floor and turned sideways. so it must hete— and turned sideways. so it must hewe heee— and turned sideways. so it must hewe teem em— and turned sideways. so it must have been an absolutely horrific emet— have been an absolutely horrific emet et— have been an absolutely horrific amount of water— have been an absolutely horrific amount of water to— have been an absolutely horrific amount of water to come in. at the— amount of water to come in. at the ee— amount of water to come in. at the same time. _ amount of water to come in. at the same time. and- amount of water to come in. at the same time. '1“t: c the same time. and it's not just a case of washing everything down, cleaning everything up and reopening, is it? no, no, down, cleaning everything up and reopening, is it ? no, no, not at reopening, is it? no, no, not at all. reopening, is it? no, no, not at eih i— reopening, is it? no, no, not at eih i thirt— reopening, is it? no, no, not at all. i think we're— reopening, is it? no, no, not at all. i think we're going- 1“ 1“; c7’ no, no, not at all. i think we're going to have to all. i think we're going to have te eet— all. i think we're going to have te eet e— all. i think we're going to have te eet e preter— all. i think we're going to have to get a proper company in to do it. se— to get a proper company in to do it. se eer— to get a proper company in to do it. so our customers— to get a proper company in to do it. so our customers are eehtiteht— it. so our customers are confident that- it. so our customers are confident that the food that thew-re— confident that the food that they're having _ they're having isn't contaminated that they're having isn't- contaminated .that the contaminated and that the eemmeeitw— contaminated and that the community, you know, who are etee— community, you know, who are ehee werw— community, you know, who are also very vulnerable, aren't going— also very vulnerable, aren't going te— also very vulnerable, aren't going te eet— also very vulnerable, aren't going to get poorly because thet-e— going to get poorly because thet-e the— going to get poorly because that's the thing. i that's the thing. because we ten-t— that's the thing. because we don't know what this is on the floor. we know that it's come from the river, but we don't know how much drainage systems in the area have been leaking into the river. do we know it weeht— into the river. do we know it weeht hete— into the river. do we know it would have come— . do we know it would have come from the fields and surrounding— would have come from the fields and surrounding areas? so no, we eem-t— and surrounding areas? so no, we teh-t thew— and surrounding areas? so no, we don't know what's— and surrounding areas? so no, we don't know what's in the water. tre— don't know what's in the water. the hetieet— don't know what's in the water. i've noticed here— don't know what's in the water. i've noticed here today- don't know what's in the water. i've noticed here today a huge community motty spirit. throughout the day, people have just been arriving and saying, right , i'm just been arriving and saying, right, i'm here, what can i do

to help? have you been heartened by that? yeah, i mean, actually , since we came— by that? yeah, i mean, actually , since we came here,- c1“?c7 yeah, i mean, actually , since we came here, the eemmehitw— , since we came here, the community spirit is inspiring . community spirit is inspiring. so community spirit is inspiring. se eit— community spirit is inspiring. so old school— community spirit is inspiring. so old school where we reside is eeteeihw— so old school where we reside is eeteehiw e— so old school where we reside is actually a project— so old school where we reside is actually a project that was set up a— actually a project that was set eh e eeehhe— actually a project that was set eh e eeeete et— actually a project that was set up a couple of years ago for the eemmehitw— up a couple of years ago for the eemmehitw. it— up a couple of years ago for the community. it has— up a couple of years ago for the community. it has therapies here,— community. it has therapies here, hairdressers , beauticians, here, hairdressers, beauticians, eemmehitw— here, hairdressers, beauticians, eemmemitw eere— here, hairdressers, beauticians, community cafe like ourselves, sherm — community cafe like ourselves, sherm th— community cafe like ourselves, sharm el sheikh_ community cafe like ourselves, sharm el sheikh and the feel is werw— sharm el sheikh and the feel is werw meth— sharm el sheikh and the feel is werw meeh tite— sharm el sheikh and the feel is very much like that. so no, i'm het— very much like that. so no, i'm het eemrieet— very much like that. so no, i'm not surprised because that is whet— not surprised because that is whet we— not surprised because that is whet we te— not surprised because that is what we do here.— not surprised because that is what we do here. but it is ehwewe— what we do here. but it is always heartwarming to see it ethi— always heartwarming to see it etihh etriwihe— always heartwarming to see it still striving to— always heartwarming to see it still striving to be a community hee — still striving to be a community hee se— still striving to be a community eee se weeh— still striving to be a community space. so yeah, that's good. hee. — space. so yeah, that's good. hee. hee— space. so yeah, that's good. hee. the wee— space. so yeah, that's good. yes. and you were— space. so yeah, that's good. yes. and you were saying just now you've had an offer somebody wants to bring an outside cafe here so that you can you can keep going as soon as possible, whatever the weather throws at you, you can keep surviving. us yeah, how amazing is that? so we all yeah, how amazing is that? so we ehh-thet— yeah, how amazing is that? so we eh-thet eemehe- yeah, how amazing is that? so we all-that perhaps we- all thought that perhaps we eeehe— all thought that perhaps we eeehe-eeme— all thought that perhaps we could-some-andl could offer some teas and eetteee— could offer some teas and coffees around— could offer some teas and coffees around the site so pebble— coffees around the site so heeete eeehe— coffees around the site so people could stay refreshed whitet— people could stay refreshed whilst clearing _ people could stay refreshed whilst clearing up the mess. but eemehetw— whilst clearing up the mess. but eemehetw hee— whilst clearing up the mess. but somebody has offered us. yeah an

eetteer— somebody has offered us. yeah an eetteer eere.— somebody has offered us. yeah an outdoor cafe. so _ somebody has offered us. yeah an outdoor cafe. so we'll be doing thet— outdoor cafe. so we'll be doing thet ehe— outdoor cafe. so we'll be doing that and hopefully we'll keep the eeirit— that and hopefully we'll keep the spirit high— that and hopefully we'll keep the spirit high. _ that and hopefully we'll keep the spirit high . '1“t: that and hopefully we'll keep the spirit high. '1“t: c that and hopefully we'll keep the spirit high . '1“t: c the spirit high. and it's not teet— the spirit high. and it's not just you, is it? i mean, i've been walking along the street and the landlord in the pub is, is mopping all the water out of the pub as well. you see people on their doorsteps trying to get the water out their houses. the water out of their houses. it's had a really bad effect on the community here, hasn't it? yes, definitely . along the high yes, definitely. along the high etteet— yes, definitely. along the high street itself— yes, definitely. along the high street itself ,— yes, definitely. along the high street itself , it— yes, definitely. along the high street itself , it was,- yes, definitely. along the high street itself , it was, i- “tit; t:t1i;�* 1“ cti;cg along the high street itself , it was, i think , street itself, it was, i think, at street itself, it was, i think, et ee— street itself, it was, i think, at some point— street itself, it was, i think, at some point taller than i am, the— at some point taller than i am, the wte— at some point taller than i am, the wte se— at some point taller than i am, the water. so i've— at some point taller than i am, the water. so i've heard stories of the water. so i've heard stories et pebble— the water. so i've heard stories et reeete thet— the water. so i've heard stories of people that that couldn't get out of people that that couldn't get eet et— of people that that couldn't get eet et their— of people that that couldn't get out of their own— of people that that couldn't get out of their own home and had to etew— out of their own home and had to etew there— out of their own home and had to stay there through— out of their own home and had to stay there through the night and heerime— stay there through the night and heerihe hete— stay there through the night and hearing lots of— stay there through the night and hearing lots of people safe, whieh— hearing lots of people safe, whieh ie— hearing lots of people safe, which is also— hearing lots of people safe, which is also good. but yeah , which is also good. but yeah, weeh— which is also good. but yeah, weeh ite— which is also good. but yeah, yeah, it's been— which is also good. but yeah, yeah, it's been a— which is also good. but yeah, yeah, it's been a really difficult— yeah, it's been a really difficult time. �*ftt�*1“itc t:t1it difficult time. what do you think the process will be now to get everything back up and running? how long do you think it might be before you're open again? i'm not sure because it heete— again? i'm not sure because it heete te— again? i'm not sure because it heete te trw— again? i'm not sure because it needs to dry out— again? i'm not sure because it needs to dry out .— rags “7 i'm not sure because it needs to dry out . there's a lot needs to dry out. there's a lot

of needs to dry out. there's a lot et weeet— needs to dry out. there's a lot of wooden cladding around here and of wooden cladding around here emt we— of wooden cladding around here emt we thimt— of wooden cladding around here and we think the— of wooden cladding around here and we think the floor underneath— and we think the floor underneath are the current floor is underneath are the current floor ie weeet — underneath are the current floor ie weeet ee— underneath are the current floor is wooden. so if— underneath are the current floor is wooden. so if there's a gap ehtemeeth— is wooden. so if there's a gap underneath it,— is wooden. so if there's a gap underneath it, it— is wooden. so if there's a gap underneath it, it will need to be underneath it, it will need to he thet— underneath it, it will need to he triet eet— underneath it, it will need to be dried out and— underneath it, it will need to be dried out and treated . so i'm be dried out and treated. so i'm not sure. hopefully— be dried out and treated. so i'm not sure. hopefully not. \tt1itc not sure. hopefully not. not here.— not sure. hopefully not. not long- hopefully— not sure. hopefully not. not long. hopefully not long. what i wish you well and i wish everybody here well in rebuilding what looks like an amazing community space. and we'll come back when you're reopen again and we'll see that whatever the weather throws at us, we can survive. thank you. thank you very, very much . thank you very, very much. and eeet— thank you very, very much. and eeet teet— thank you very, very much. and good heet ee— thank you very, very much. and good luck as well. _ thank you very, very much. and good luck as well. fundamentally to good luck as well. fundamentally te eerwee— good luck as well. fundamentally te eerwee ih— good luck as well. fundamentally to everyone in that_ good luck as well. fundamentally to everyone in that area . thank to everyone in that area. thank wee.— to everyone in that area. thank wee. joining— to everyone in that area. thank wee. joining ee— to everyone in that area. thank you. joining us now is mary long hem— you. joining us now is mary long heh heetteh.— you. joining us now is mary long dan wootton, who— you. joining us now is mary long dan wootton, who is a property heee— dan wootton, who is a property flood resilience— dan wootton, who is a property flood resilience expert and he's ehee— flood resilience expert and he's ehee thewh— flood resilience expert and he's also known as— flood resilience expert and he's also known as should that say, fleeting.— also known as should that say, flooding mary?— also known as should that say, flooding, mary? i— also known as should that say, flooding, mary? i think . is that flooding, mary? i think. is that righte— flooding, mary? i think. is that right there— flooding, mary? i think. is that right? there you— flooding, mary? i think. is that right? there you go. wow rehteetie. — right? there you go. wow fantastic. it's- right? there you go. wow fantastic. c : right? there you go. wow fantastic. : shifty fantastic. it's flood, mary. not fantastic. it's flood, mary. het ite— fantastic. it's flood, mary. het it-e teet— fantastic. it's flood, mary. not it's just flood.- fantastic. : shifty not it's just flood. mary it's het— not it's just flood. mary it's het weere— not it's just flood. mary it's not you're not— not it's just flood. mary it's not you're not you're not a theet— not you're not you're not a theet ett— not you're not you're not a knock off cocktail. well, no, tetr— knock off cocktail. well, no, teir emeeeh— knock off cocktail. well, no, fair enough. okay. all right. so no, fair enough. okay. all right. so ee eh— fair enough. okay. all right. so no, so, so all right.— fair enough. okay. all right. so no, so, so all right. well,

whet-e— no, so, so all right. well, what's that?— no, so, so all right. well, what's that? you're going to hete— what's that? you're going to hewe te— what's that? you're going to hewe te teth— what's that? you're going to have to tell me— what's that? you're going to have to tell me what a what a property— have to tell me what a what a rrerertw heee— have to tell me what a what a property flood resilience expert reeihw— property flood resilience expert reeihw teee— property flood resilience expert really does and— property flood resilience expert really does and how you can how you— really does and how you can how wee ehe— really does and how you can how wee eeh-hete— really does and how you can how you can help people in you can maybe help people in their— you can maybe help people in their im— you can maybe help people in their in their— you can maybe help people in their in their times need or their in their times of need or erehem— their in their times of need or prevent it— their in their times of need or prevent it from _ their in their times of need or prevent it from happening at eih. — prevent it from happening at eih. _tiret— prevent it from happening at all. _first of- prevent it from happening at all. _first of all,- prevent it from happening at all. _first of all, i- prevent it from happening ati all. _first of all, i want all. well, first of all, i want to say that i have been flooded on occasions myself. and so on many occasions myself. and so my heart goes out to— on many occasions myself. and so my heart goes out to all- on many occasions myself. and so my heart goes out to all the- my heart goes out to all the eeehe— my heart goes out to all the reeete thet— my heart goes out to all the people that have— my heart goes out to all the people that have been flooded in semereet— people that have been flooded in semereet ehe— people that have been flooded in somerset and elsewhere. and when i somerset and elsewhere. and when i we— somerset and elsewhere. and when i ihetee— somerset and elsewhere. and when i was flooded, there— somerset and elsewhere. and when i was flooded, there was no heire— i was flooded, there was no hehh. he — i was flooded, there was no help, no support, no advice, none , nothing— help, no support, no advice, none , nothing available. so none, nothing available. so i teeitet— none, nothing available. so i decided that_ none, nothing available. so i decided that i— none, nothing available. so i decided that i was going to give up my— decided that i was going to give up my job— decided that i was going to give eh mw reh eme— decided that i was going to give up my job and find out as much as up my job and find out as much ee i— up my job and find out as much ee i eeehe— up my job and find out as much as i could about— up my job and find out as much as i could about flooding to hete— as i could about flooding to heir ether— as i could about flooding to help other people not have to go threeeh— help other people not have to go threeeh whet— help other people not have to go threeeh whet i— help other people not have to go through what i went through and whet— through what i went through and whet eh— through what i went through and whet ehh mw— through what i went through and what all my neighbours went threeeh. — what all my neighbours went threeeh. se— what all my neighbours went threeeh. se i— what all my neighbours went through. so i specialise in what we te— through. so i specialise in what we te te— through. so i specialise in what we can do to keep— through. so i specialise in what we can do to keep the water out of we can do to keep the water out et e— we can do to keep the water out et e heme— we can do to keep the water out et e heme er— we can do to keep the water out et e heme er e— we can do to keep the water out of a home or a business and be help— of a home or a business and be heih thet— of a home or a business and be help that home— of a home or a business and be help that home recover after a theet — help that home recover after a theet .— help that home recover after a flood , recover— help that home recover after a flood , recover quickly. i've flood, recover quickly. i've ehee— flood, recover quickly. i've also written _ flood, recover quickly. i've also written very importantly , a also written very importantly, a heee— also written very importantly, a theet reeeerw— also written very importantly, a flood recovery guide which will

be flood recovery guide which will he eeeteh— flood recovery guide which will he eeeteh te— flood recovery guide which will be useful to the— flood recovery guide which will be useful to the community in semereet— be useful to the community in somerset because— be useful to the community in somerset because it literally wette— somerset because it literally wehte eeerhe— somerset because it literally walks people through exactly eeeethw— walks people through exactly exeethw whet— walks people through exactly exactly what they should be tethe— exactly what they should be teihe te — exactly what they should be doing te hete— exactly what they should be doing to help the home recover or doing to help the home recover er the— doing to help the home recover or the business— doing to help the home recover or the business recover quickly etter— or the business recover quickly etter e— or the business recover quickly after a flood.— or the business recover quickly after a flood. because acting eeiethw— after a flood. because acting eeiethw ew— after a flood. because acting quickly now can— after a flood. because acting quickly now can cut down the emet— quickly now can cut down the emet et— quickly now can cut down the amount of time— quickly now can cut down the amount of time that cafe is shut amouth of time that cafe is shut or amount of time that cafe is shut er the— amount of time that cafe is shut er the heme— amount of time that cafe is shut er the heme ie— amount of time that cafe is shut or the home is not— amount of time that cafe is shut or the home is not occupied. teeth— or the home is not occupied. ceeit wee— or the home is not occupied. could you talk— or the home is not occupied. could you talk us— or the home is not occupied. could you talk us through some of your top tips then, mary , if of your top tips then, mary, if that's okay for that? the flood has sadly happened now in somerset, so we'll talk about prevention in a minute. but just in terms of what they can do now, businesses like that get now, businesses like that to get back on feet sharpish ? back on their feet sharpish? well, if some people have still got well, if some people have still get theet— well, if some people have still got flood water— well, if some people have still got flood water in— well, if some people have still got flood water in their house, i got flood water in their house, i eeh-t— got flood water in their house, i teh-t thew— got flood water in their house, i don't know whether the flood weter— i don't know whether the flood weter ie— i don't know whether the flood water is still— i don't know whether the flood water is still in— i don't know whether the flood water is still in the house or whether— water is still in the house or whether ite— water is still in the house or whether it's gone. but a tip for eeehe— whether it's gone. but a tip for reeete thet— whether it's gone. but a tip for people that have— whether it's gone. but a tip for people that have got flood water in -hetere — people that have got flood water ih-hetere it— people that have got flood water in - before it goes - people that have got flood water in _before it goes to l in the house before it goes to eheeh— in the house before it goes to eheet. ee— in the house before it goes to chuck, some very— in the house before it goes to chuck, some very liquid or whetewer— chuck, some very liquid or whatever other— chuck, some very liquid or whatever other stuff is available,— whatever other stuff is available, isn't it? isn't disinfectant— available, isn't it? isn't disinfectant into the water and eeitete— disinfectant into the water and eeitete it— disinfectant into the water and eeitete it ee— disinfectant into the water and agitate it so it— disinfectant into the water and agitate it so it leaves the

property— agitate it so it leaves the rrerertw ehhee - agitate it so it leaves the property clean. just keep eweerihe— property clean. just keep eweeeihe it— property clean. just keep sweeping it out and it will teete— sweeping it out and it will leave clean. _ sweeping it out and it will leave clean. so- sweeping it out and it will leave clean. so we heard that the— leave clean. so we heard that the pub— leave clean. so we heard that the pub landlord— leave clean. so we heard that the pub landlord was sweeping eet.— the pub landlord was sweeping eet. het— the pub landlord was sweeping eet. het he— the pub landlord was sweeping out. had he put— the pub landlord was sweeping out. had he put down some disinfectant— out. had he put down some disinfectant and— out. had he put down some disinfectant and washing up hieeit— disinfectant and washing up hieeit ehe— disinfectant and washing up liquid and then swept, it would hete— liquid and then swept, it would hewe heem— liquid and then swept, it would hewe teem e— liquid and then swept, it would have been a lot— liquid and then swept, it would have been a lot cleaner there. the— have been a lot cleaner there. the then— have been a lot cleaner there. the then ite— have been a lot cleaner there. and then it's really important thet— and then it's really important thet wee— and then it's really important thet wee tete— and then it's really important that you take photographs of eheeheteiw— that you take photographs of absolutely everything, even the eehtehte— absolutely everything, even the eemtemte et— absolutely everything, even the contents of your— absolutely everything, even the contents of your fridge and your treeer. het— contents of your fridge and your treeer. het e— contents of your fridge and your freezer. put a mark— contents of your fridge and your freezer. put a mark on the wall as freezer. put a mark on the wall ee te— freezer. put a mark on the wall ee te where— freezer. put a mark on the wall as to where the— freezer. put a mark on the wall as to where the floodwater has eehe — as to where the floodwater has eehe .— as to where the floodwater has eehe . se — as to where the floodwater has gone . se wher— as to where the floodwater has gone . so when the insurance gone. so when the insurance comes round, they can see how far comes round, they can see how ter it— comes round, they can see how ter it ie— comes round, they can see how ter it ie ehe— comes round, they can see how far it is and decide— comes round, they can see how far it is and decide how much eheeter— far it is and decide how much eieeter ie— far it is and decide how much eieeter ie te— far it is and decide how much plaster is to be— far it is and decide how much plaster is to be knocked off. the— plaster is to be knocked off. the then— plaster is to be knocked off. the then it— plaster is to be knocked off. and then if you've got a carpet on and then if you've got a carpet eh the— and then if you've got a carpet eh the fleet— and then if you've got a carpet on the floor to— and then if you've got a carpet on the floor to actually put a heir— on the floor to actually put a pet et— on the floor to actually put a pair of rubber— on the floor to actually put a pair of rubber gloves on, take a heir— pair of rubber gloves on, take a pet et— pair of rubber gloves on, take a pair of scissors— pair of rubber gloves on, take a pair of scissors and— pair of rubber gloves on, take a pair of scissors and cut the eemet— pair of scissors and cut the eemet hit.— pair of scissors and cut the carpet bit, which would be very heeww— carpet bit, which would be very heeww emi— carpet bit, which would be very heavy and trapping floodwater inte— heavy and trapping floodwater he the— heavy and trapping floodwater into the property— heavy and trapping floodwater into the property and stopping it trem— into the property and stopping it trem twine.— into the property and stopping it from drying. so cut it up and get it— it from drying. so cut it up and get it eet— it from drying. so cut it up and get it eet et— it from drying. so cut it up and get it out of the— it from drying. so cut it up and get it out of the property, but eeh-t— get it out of the property, but teh-t threw— get it out of the property, but don't throw it— get it out of the property, but don't throw it away because your heee— don't throw it away because your heee etteetet— don't throw it away because your loss adjuster will— don't throw it away because your loss adjuster will have to see thet.— loss adjuster will have to see thet. het— loss adjuster will have to see thet. het the— loss adjuster will have to see that. but the very— loss adjuster will have to see that. but the very fact that wee-e — that. but the very fact that

wee-e tetem— that. but the very fact that you've taken it— that. but the very fact that you've taken it out, well , allow you've taken it out, well, allow the— you've taken it out, well, allow the ereeertw— you've taken it out, well, allow the rrerertw te— you've taken it out, well, allow the property to start drying . the property to start drying. the— the property to start drying. the then— the property to start drying. and then until— the property to start drying. and then until you get dehumidifiers and fans in open all dehumidifiers and fans in open ehh the— dehumidifiers and fans in open all the windows— dehumidifiers and fans in open all the windows and doors and get ee— all the windows and doors and get ee meeh— all the windows and doors and get as much air— all the windows and doors and get as much air through because vehtihetieh— get as much air through because ventilation is— get as much air through because ventilation is incredibly imperteht— ventilation is incredibly important and will encourage retit— important and will encourage reeit drying— important and will encourage reeit drying- — important and will encourage rapid drying- i_ important and will encourage rapid drying . rapid drying. i mean, this is fun tastic advice. mary, what you are doing is really trying to help people do what they can to help people do what they can to prevent their own homes getting flooded. and then also obviously out obviously sort it out afterwards. you feel like obviously sort it out afte needs. you feel like obviously sort it out afte need to you feel like obviously sort it out afte need to be you feel like obviously sort it out afte need to be getting feel like obviously sort it out afte need to be getting ael like obviously sort it out afte need to be getting a bitike obviously sort it out afte need to be getting a bit of you need to be getting a bit of help from from somewhere else as well? why aren't we dredging more aren't more rivers? why aren't we putting defences up? putting more flood defences up? you like to see you know, would you like to see that well, first of all, that done? well, first of all, eewemmeht— that done? well, first of all, government has— : 7 well, first of all, government has doubled its eteemtitere— government has doubled its expenditure in— government has doubled its expenditure in flooding and dredging— expenditure in flooding and dredging rivers— expenditure in flooding and dredging rivers is just one part of dredging rivers is just one part et the— dredging rivers is just one part et the rieeew— dredging rivers is just one part of the jigsaw puzzle. i look on heee— of the jigsaw puzzle. i look on theet riet— of the jigsaw puzzle. i look on flood risk management as a item— flood risk management as a rieeew et— flood risk management as a rieeew et mehw— flood risk management as a jigsaw of many pieces. flood risk management as a jigsaw of many pieces . you can't jigsaw of many pieces. you can't hete— jigsaw of many pieces. you can't hewe ee— jigsaw of many pieces. you can't have one plaster.— jigsaw of many pieces. you can't have one plaster. it's lots of thihee— have one plaster. it's lots of things working— have one plaster. it's lots of things working together. so hetereh— things working together. so natural flood— things working together. so natural flood management, we emet— natural flood management, we emet eert— natural flood management, we emet eert et— natural flood management, we

cannot sort of protect against ihtehee— cannot sort of protect against ihtehee reh— cannot sort of protect against intense rain ,— cannot sort of protect against intense rain , fall— cannot sort of protect against intense rain , fall surface intense rain, fall surface wte— intense rain, fall surface water, floods. - intense rain, fall surface water, floods. but natural flood meheeemeht— water, floods. but natural flood meheeemeht .— water, floods. but natural flood management , the— water, floods. but natural flood management , the way that farmers management, the way that farmers meheee— management, the way that farmers meheee their— management, the way that farmers manage their crops— management, the way that farmers manage their crops and two eeehhet— manage their crops and two coupled with— manage their crops and two coupled with property flood reeiiiehee— coupled with property flood resilience and— coupled with property flood resilience and flood defences ehe— resilience and flood defences emt ih— resilience and flood defences met in ee— resilience and flood defences and in some cases dredging the river— and in some cases dredging the where— and in some cases dredging the river where it's— and in some cases dredging the river where it's appropriate heeeeee— river where it's appropriate heeeeee it— river where it's appropriate because it isn't— river where it's appropriate because it isn't always errrerriete- because it isn't always appropriate. all those things wertihe— appropriate. all those things working together can reduce the emet— working together can reduce the emet et— working together can reduce the amount of flooding we actually get.— amount of flooding we actually get. i— amount of flooding we actually get. i thiht— amount of flooding we actually get. i think that_ amount of flooding we actually get. i think that you and i, hew.— get. i think that you and i, mary eheeht— get. i think that you and i, mary, should do a show together heeeeee— mary, should do a show together because we appear— mary, should do a show together because we appear to have very meeh— because we appear to have very meeh the— because we appear to have very much the same— because we appear to have very much the same energy when it te— much the same energy when it comes to delivering news to the hetieh. — comes to delivering news to the hetieh. se— comes to delivering news to the nation. so, mary,— comes to delivering news to the nation. shifty c1“.it

do you it is? and we will do you think it is? and we will get reaction to the news that rishi sunak is going to appoint a cambridge professor to crack down on cancel culture in universities and keep your emails coming in? ladies and gents, all about archbishop gents, all about the archbishop of wading in and of canterbury wading in and slamming the government's migration bill. but now it's headunes migration bill. but now it's headlines with paul . patrick headlines with paul. patrick thank you. the top stories this heee— thank you. the top stories this hour, government— thank you. the top stories this hour, government plans to remove heee— hour, government plans to remove heee th— hour, government plans to remove heee th hewe— hour, government plans to remove 4800 eu laws from _ hour, government plans to remove 4800 eu laws from the uk statute teete— 4800 eu laws from the uk statute heete by— 4800 eu laws from the uk statute heete by the— 4800 eu laws from the uk statute books by the end— 4800 eu laws from the uk statute books by the end of— 4800 eu laws from the uk statute books by the end of the year hete— books by the end of the year hewe ew— books by the end of the year have now been— books by the end of the year have now been scrapped. the heeiheee— have now been scrapped. the business secretary, kemi hetemeeh— business secretary, kemi badenoch, says they'll now only teete— badenoch, says they'll now only revoke around _ badenoch, says they'll now only revoke around 600— badenoch, says they'll now only revoke around 600 laws under the iteteihet— revoke around 600 laws under the teteihet iti— revoke around 600 laws under the retained eu law— revoke around 600 laws under the retained eu law bill it's due, ehe— retained eu law bill it's due, ehe eewe— retained eu law bill it's due, ehe eewe. te— retained eu law bill it's due, she says, to risks— retained eu law bill it's due, she says, to risks of legal eheerteimtw— she says, to risks of legal uncertainty if— she says, to risks of legal uncertainty if they were automatically scrapped . the automatically scrapped. the teeieieh— automatically scrapped. the teeieieh ie— automatically scrapped. the decision is being seen by many as decision is being seen by many ee e ti—tem— decision is being seen by many as a u—turn after— decision is being seen by many as a u—turn after the conservatives previous promise to conservatives previous promise te them— conservatives previous promise to remove them all members of the petite— to remove them all members of the petite eme— to remove them all members of the public and commercial sewieee— the public and commercial services union— the public and commercial services union have voted to

their— services union have voted to renew their mandate to keep tethe— renew their mandate to keep taking industrial action for the next— taking industrial action for the next eit— taking industrial action for the next six months.— taking industrial action for the next six months. the decision comes as other— next six months. the decision comes as other civil servants heheheihe— comes as other civil servants belonging te— comes as other civil servants belonging to the— comes as other civil servants belonging to the prospect union teeem— belonging to the prospect union heeem e— belonging to the prospect union heeem e hew— belonging to the prospect union began a new walkout in their heee— began a new walkout in their hehe running— began a new walkout in their long running dispute over pay , long running dispute over pay, tete— long running dispute over pay, iehe ehe— long running dispute over pay, jobs and redundancy. it follows the government's— jobs and redundancy. it follows the government's 4.5% pay rise etter— the government's 4.5% pay rise etter .— the government's 4.5% pay rise etter . whith— the government's 4.5% pay rise offer , which the— the government's 4.5% pay rise offer , which the union said will offer, which the union said will terther— offer, which the union said will further erode— offer, which the union said will further erode their living standards— further erode their living standards .— further erode their living standards . the archbishop of standards. the archbishop of cehterherw— standards. the archbishop of canterbury has— standards. the archbishop of canterbury has urged the government— canterbury has urged the government to reconsider much of the ihheeeh— government to reconsider much of the illegal migration bill in a rare intervention— the illegal migration bill in a rare intervention in the house of rare intervention in the house et ierie— rare intervention in the house et herte. ihe— rare intervention in the house of lords. the controversial heeiehetieh— of lords. the controversial legislation aims to detain and premethw— legislation aims to detain and rrempthw eme— legislation aims to detain and promptly remove migrants who ih— promptly remove migrants who in the— promptly remove migrants who arrive in the uk— promptly remove migrants who arrive in the uk in small boats. hewhihe— arrive in the uk in small boats. downing street— arrive in the uk in small boats. downing street says the bill is compassionate— downing street says the bill is compassionate and fair , but compassionate and fair, but teeth— compassionate and fair, but reetm wehhw— compassionate and fair, but justin welby said it treats mierehte— justin welby said it treats mierehte ee— justin welby said it treats migrants as invaders. justin welby said it treats migrants as invaders . the migrants as invaders. the pettieher— migrants as invaders. the publisher of— migrants as invaders. the publisher of the mirror has unreservedly— publisher of the mirror has unreservedly apologised to the hete— unreservedly apologised to the eete et— unreservedly apologised to the duke of sussex— unreservedly apologised to the duke of sussex for unlawful information— duke of sussex for unlawful information gathering at the etert— information gathering at the etert et— information gathering at the etert et e— information gathering at the start of a trial— information gathering at the start of a trial over alleged phone— start of a trial over alleged phone hacking— start of a trial over alleged phone hacking at the high court . hirer— phone hacking at the high court . hirrer meee.— phone hacking at the high court . mirror group. newspapers etmittet— . mirror group. newspapers admitted prince harry's legal

ehehehee— admitted prince harry's legal challenge warranted compensation . ihe— challenge warranted compensation . the tehheit— challenge warranted compensation . the tabloid also— challenge warranted compensation . the tabloid also promised hehewieer— . the tabloid also promised behaviour would never be etteetet— behaviour would never be reeeetet .— behaviour would never be repeated . and— behaviour would never be repeated . and in the united repeated. and in the united stetee.— repeated. and in the united stetee. the— repeated. and in the united states, the republican congressman, jorge santos, has heee— congressman, jorge santos, has been reeieeeh— congressman, jorge santos, has been replaced, rather placed in us been replaced, rather placed in his eeetetw— been replaced, rather placed in us custody after— been replaced, rather placed in us custody after being charged with— us custody after being charged with treet— us custody after being charged with fraud and— us custody after being charged with fraud and money laundering . the— with fraud and money laundering . the heme— with fraud and money laundering . the justice department says the— . the justice department says the eh— . the justice department says the st weer— . the justice department says the 34 year old— . the justice department says the 34 year old used campaign teete— the 34 year old used campaign temte te— the 34 year old used campaign funds to purchase _ the 34 year old used campaign funds to purchase designer ehethee— funds to purchase designer clothes and— funds to purchase designer clothes and pay off personal tehh— clothes and pay off personal debt hr— clothes and pay off personal debt. mr santos— clothes and pay off personal debt. mr santos also allegedly eeeteh— debt. mr santos also allegedly eeehiet ter— debt. mr santos also allegedly applied for unemployment benefit white— applied for unemployment benefit white tethe— applied for unemployment benefit while being employed , armed and while being employed, armed and mmhe— while being employed, armed and remihe ter— while being employed, armed and running for congress. he's etteetet— running for congress. he's etteetet te— running for congress. he's expected to appear in court in hew— expected to appear in court in hew hert— expected to appear in court in new york later— expected to appear in court in new york later .— expected to appear in court in new york later . those are expected to appear in court in new york later. those are your heteet— new york later. those are your heteet ee— new york later. those are your latest news headlines. you are up latest news headlines. you are we te— latest news headlines. you are we te tete— latest news headlines. you are eh te tete eh— latest news headlines. you are up to date on tv— latest news headlines. you are up to date on tv online , dab+ up to date on tv online, dab+ retie— up to date on tv online, dab+ retie emi— up to date on tv online, dab+ retie emt eh— up to date on tv online, dab+ radio and on the— up to date on tv online, dab+ radio and on the tunein app. thie— radio and on the tunein app. thie ie— radio and on the tunein app. thie ie eh— radio and on the tunein app. this is gb news,— radio and on the tunein app. this is gb news, britain's news . chemeh— . channel hee- . channel you ? “tit; . channel- you ? yes. okay. . channel— you ? yes. okay. so . channel you ? yes. okay. so the you? yes. okay. so the archbishop of canterbury has gotten involved again when it comes to the government's

illegal migration bill. some fascinating things are happening with this bill. okay. so a democratically elected government stonking government with a stonking majority forward a bill. majority puts forward a bill. now, despite a lot of scepticism in the media and outright bias in the media and outright bias in the media as well, it must be said, 47% of people are in favour of the rwanda policy. now. 27% of people are against it. so there's a lot of don't knows there. but there is clearly a huge gulf between the people who go, yeah, i'm bang in favour of this thing and those people saying, no, i'm people who are saying, no, i'm not i.e. loads more people support this than not. so support this than do not. so that's state of play. the that's the state of play. the government through government then gets it through parliament then it gets parliament and then it gets to the house lords and in the the house of lords and in the house of lords there is a minority conservatives and minority of conservatives and a majority else majority of everybody else includes, case, bishops includes, in this case, bishops and the archbishop of canterbury has his feet and has taken to his feet and essentially essentially said that it's immoral to do this and that it's immoral to do this and that we shouldn't be doing it, and we should focus on our role in the world. so stopping conflict, stopping environmental disasters and that in itself will stop people coming here.

what i think is important to note is that the archbishop of rwanda, so the actual archbishop for rwanda, where these people will supposedly be going to one day, is in favour of the rwanda plan . so there we go. i'm going plan. so there we go. i'm going to play you a little clip now of what justin welby said in the house a little bit house of lords, a little bit earlier on. and then going earlier on. and then i'm going to get some of your views, strong views coming in on this. let's his let's play the clip. his isolationist, it is morally unacceptable and politically impractical to let the poorest country deal with the crisis alone in and cut our international aid. this bill fails utterly— international aid. this bill fails utterly to _ international aid. this bill fails utterly to take- international aid. this bill fails utterly to take a- t: this bill fails utterly to take a long term — fails utterly to take a long term ehe— fails utterly to take a long term and strategic view of the eheiheheee— term and strategic view of the challenges of— term and strategic view of the challenges of migration and undermines— challenges of migration and undermines international eeeeeretiem— undermines international eeeeeretieh .— undermines international cooperation . ation rather than cooperation. ation rather than tethe— cooperation. ation rather than tetihe eh— cooperation. ation rather than taking an opportunity for the uk to taking an opportunity for the uk te ehew— taking an opportunity for the uk to show leadership as we did in rest.— to show leadership as we did in rest. iheh— to show leadership as we did in test. them it— to show leadership as we did in 1951. even if this— to show leadership as we did in 1951. even if this bill succeeds in tempererihw— 1951. even if this bill succeeds in temporarily stopping the teete— in temporarily stopping the heete eme— in temporarily stopping the heete emt i— in temporarily stopping the

boats and i don't think it will, it weht— boats and i don't think it will, it went etee— boats and i don't think it will, it won't stop conflict or ehimete— it won't stop conflict or climate migration . the ipcc climate migration. the ipcc teerth— climate migration. the ipcc fourth forecasts— climate migration. the ipcc fourth forecasts that climate ehemee— fourth forecasts that climate ehemee by— fourth forecasts that climate change by itself— fourth forecasts that climate change by itself , let alone the change by itself, let alone the eehthiete— change by itself, let alone the conflicts it's— change by itself, let alone the conflicts it's already causing, with— conflicts it's already causing, wihh teet— conflicts it's already causing, wihh heet te— conflicts it's already causing, will lead to at— conflicts it's already causing, will lead to at least 800 mihieh— will lead to at least 800 million more— will lead to at least 800 million more refugees a year in teteh— million more refugees a year in teteh by— million more refugees a year in teteh by 2050. — million more refugees a year in total by 2050. i— million more refugees a year in total by 2050. i urge the eewemmeht— total by 2050. i urge the government to - total by 2050. i urge the government to reconsider much of the hit.— government to reconsider much of the bill, which— government to reconsider much of the bill, which fails— government to reconsider much of the bill, which fails to live up to the bill, which fails to live up te eer— the bill, which fails to live up te hieterw. — the bill, which fails to live up to our history. our moral responsibility— to our history. our moral responsibility ,- to our history. our moral responsibility , and our responsibility, and our petitieehhw— responsibility, and our politically ,- responsibility, and our politically , our political and politically, our political and international— politically, our political and international interests . c international interests. it's teeeihetihe— international interests. it's fascinating that_ international interests. it's fascinating that when you really break it down, there's another area of what you said there that i want to focus on. he's predicting there'll be around 800 million more refugees by 2050. argue . is that not 2050. i would argue. is that not why we need get our house in why we need to get our house in order because that is order now? because that is rather people. and as rather a lot of people. and as suella braverman herself in suella braverman herself said in the house of commons, and there was was a very was this was a very controversial thing that she said was that lot said apparently was that a lot of those people are going to be

desperate to come here. desperate to try to come here. and clearly, a lot of the countries continental and clearly, a lot of the countritare continental and clearly, a lot of the countritare perfectlyitinental and clearly, a lot of the countritare perfectly happyal and clearly, a lot of the countritare perfectly happy to europe are perfectly happy to wave is that wave them through. so is that not really part of problem? not really part of the problem? the archbishop is the archbishop himself is identified as to why we need to do this. i'm going to to do this. now. i'm going to go to the inbox, on this one the inbox, no name on this one that i the inbox, no name on this one thati can the inbox, no name on this one that i can see. anyway, am i the only wonder the only person to wonder if the king has been having a word with the archbishop canterbury the archbishop of canterbury about bill? how about the immigration bill? how is all that is the cost of all that generosity spirit going to be generosity of spirit going to be funded? believe that's funded? i believe that's probably to the funded? i believe that's probathat to the funded? i believe that's probathat we to the funded? i believe that's probathat we did to the funded? i believe that's probathat we did yesterday story that we did yesterday about johnson allegedly about boris johnson allegedly squaring to the then prince squaring up to the then prince charles over him, calling the rwanda scheme appalling. it does appear fascinating, doesn't it, as to whether or not the archbishop of canterbury is indeed aligned with our now king on all of this. but you raise a key point, though, don't you? how is all of that generosity of spirit going to be funded? he goes on say, do we remove goes on to say, how do we remove the house of lords our the house of lords from our democratic process? no, democratic process? yeah, no, indeed. that i imagine will probably referendum probably be referendum territory, have territory, but we'll have to wait about that one from

wait and see about that one from christine a one. christine here. it's a good one. this we should his this while we should keep his opinions himself and opinions to himself and concentrate preaching the concentrate on preaching the bible has turned, bible while welby has turned, people away the people like me away from the church, even to the extent of arranging my funeral to exclude his church , he's an interfering his church, he's an interfering old man with ideas incompatible with congregation actions. if he wants the illegals , then let him wants the illegals, then let him pay wants the illegals, then let him pay for them. that is from christine. now a load of other emails are coming in saying that the archbishop should stick to his day job because we have congregations dwindling in the church of england. we apparently have parishes closing around the country. and if he wants to really maybe try to promote some kind of uptick in that, maybe he should be focusing literally on getting own or indeed getting his own house or indeed church order to church in order as opposed to this is a man, of course, this this is a man, of course, who does has been on record saying that feels as though saying that he feels as though he got pandemic so he he got the pandemic wrong. so he shot worship shot places of worship or allowed to be shut anyway allowed them to be shut anyway dunng allowed them to be shut anyway during the lockdowns and during the so you the coronavirus crisis. so you could argue that he may be let down worshippers then. is he maybe letting down some people

in congregation now? maybe letting down some people in do>ngregation now? maybe letting down some people in do youegation now? maybe letting down some people in do you feelon now? maybe letting down some people in do you feel about now? maybe letting down some people in do you feel about this now? maybe letting down some people in do you feel about this if w? how do you feel about this if you are a protestant, a member of the church of england and you don't feel aligned with this one thing that is already happening and will continue to with and will continue to happen with justin and co piping justin welby and co piping up and up on and the bishops piping up on this, any opposition this, is that any opposition party will very easily be able to say, i have got god on my side by opposing this bill. and barry gardiner was on this very channel a little bit earlier on this morning saying essentially just that he said, who do i take my moral guidance from? do i take it from suella braverman and the conservative government or do i take it from the archbishop of canterbury and the other bishops? and it is a massive political the massive political tool, but the other tool involved in other political tool involved in this is to delay the bill, delay the delay the bill, amend this is to delay the bill, delay theamend elay the bill, amend this is to delay the bill, delay theamend it,y the bill, amend this is to delay the bill, delay theamend it, amend ll, amend this is to delay the bill, delay theamend it, amend it. amend this is to delay the bill, delay theamend it, amend it. thend it, amend it, amend it. then something goes something much weaker goes through government through or the government have to it through as it to just force it through as it is using the parliament act. but either way, you dress that up, it delayed by at least a it gets delayed by at least a year. it gets delayed by at least a year . and then happens is year. and then what happens is that are ever to the that we are ever closer to the next general election and rishi

sunak, a plinth sunak, who stood with a plinth that the boats on it that said stop the boats on it in him, will not be in front of him, will not be able stop the boats by the able to stop the boats by the time that the next general election and election comes around. and why this might be politically motivated, well, pretty motivated, well, it's pretty straightforward, motivated, well, it's pretty straightin ward, motivated, well, it's pretty straightinwarrhouse of lords are people in the house of lords are not conservatives and clearly would see the would quite like to see the tories of government. so all tories out of government. so all of the power is with the of the power there is with the house lords and people like house of lords and people like justin. well we. do you feel as though he should have got involved? gb gb news. .uk involved? gb views gb news. .uk a identifying of problems a lot of identifying of problems , a huge amount of solutions , not a huge amount of solutions apart the solution, which apart from the solution, which was as i could gather, to was as far as i could gather, to fund the end of all the world's problem times and simultaneously allow anyone who wants to come here to come here. vaiews@gbnews.uk i'm going to go back into the inbox after this very, very short break. but i want to tease this for you. cancel culture is alive at universities. that's right . now, universities. that's right. now, rishi sunak has taken steps to clamp on by deciding to clamp down on it by deciding to appoint a free speech tsar. what does that really mean? and patrick christys on gb news,

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gb news britain's news. channel okay. all right. well, welcome back, - okay. all right. well, welcome heet. ewerwhetw— . okay. all right. well, welcome back, everybody. now— okay. all right. well, welcome back, everybody. now sunak back, everybody. now rishi sunak is back, everybody. now rishi sunak ie—— back, everybody. now rishi sunak is_war on woke. is stepping up his war on woke by arimming— is stepping up his war on woke by appointing a_ is stepping up his war on woke by appointing a free speech teet— by appointing a free speech he ite— by appointing a free speech tsar. it's reported that cemhritee— tsar. it's reported that cambridge professor ariff ahmad will cambridge professor ariff ahmad wihh eet— cambridge professor ariff ahmad wihh get the — cambridge professor ariff ahmad with get the reh— cambridge professor ariff ahmad will get the job to— cambridge professor ariff ahmad will get the job to take action on cancel culture— will get the job to take action on cancel culture at universities- on cancel culture at universities . he will look at universities. he will look at eteteht— universities. he will look at student unions— universities. he will look at student unions that restrict tehete— student unions that restrict tehete ehe— student unions that restrict debate and advise regulators on imeeeihe— debate and advise regulators on impeeihe thee— debate and advise regulators on imposing fines for— debate and advise regulators on imposing fines for breach ing eheeeh— imposing fines for breach ing eeeeeh meet— imposing fines for breach ing speech rules, free speech rules. hmwwew— speech rules, free speech rules. anyway i— speech rules, free speech rules. anyway r em— speech rules, free speech rules. anyway, i am joined by josh rreemeh— anyway, i am joined by josh freeman from _ anyway, i am joined by josh freeman from the higher tteeetieh— freeman from the higher education policy institute . education policy institute. weeh.— education policy institute. reeh. theht— education policy institute. josh, thank you very much. great to josh, thank you very much. great te hete— josh, thank you very much. great te hewe wee— josh, thank you very much. great te hewe wee eh— josh, thank you very much. great to have you on the— josh, thank you very much. great to have you on the show. what's on to have you on the show. what's eh eerth— to have you on the show. what's eh eerth ie— to have you on the show. what's eh eerth ie e— to have you on the show. what's on earth is a free— to have you on the show. what's on earth is a free speech tsar ? on earth is a free speech tsar? weeh.— on earth is a free speech tsar? heh. e— on earth is a free speech tsar? heh. e tree— on earth is a free speech tsar? well, a free speech— on earth is a free speech tsar? well, a free speech tsar. - on earth is a free speech tsar? well, a free speech tsar. we we're looking at the culmination of two years since this bill, the higher education bill was

first introduced to parliament. so this is the end point or almost the end point of a very long process by this conservative government to try and take action on free speech in universities . and obviously in universities. and obviously this is an exciting step, but we need to be cautious. this is not a legislator. this is just a referee . so a free speech tsar referee. so a free speech tsar really is the person who can take the complaints that are made within the system . so made within the system. so complaints, for example , if complaints, for example, if someone gets no platform, they can go to the free speech tsar or they can go to the office for students and say, we've had this complaint against but complaint made against us, but he's going to be able to he's not going to be able to introduce regulations. introduce new regulations. and so powers here are quite so the powers here are quite limited . but there are limited. but there are opportunities . the role is new. opportunities. the role is new. it is his to shape and the platform that he's being given is for free speech is particularly interesting . okay. particularly interesting. okay. is this just window 1“; okay. is this just window dressing theeehe— is this just window dressing though? keir— is this just window dressing though? keir starmer has come out though? keir starmer has come eet ee— though? keir starmer has come eet ee emti — though? keir starmer has come out as anti and— though? keir starmer has come out as anti and said people eeh-t— out as anti and said people don't actually— out as anti and said people don't actually really care about thihee— don't actually really care about thihee hite— don't actually really care about things like cancel— don't actually really care about things like cancel culture and wete— things like cancel culture and wete etert— things like cancel culture and woke stuff and— things like cancel culture and woke stuff and that actually

pebble— woke stuff and that actually reeete te— woke stuff and that actually people do care— woke stuff and that actually people do care more about the his— people do care more about the his ehe— people do care more about the nhs and whether— people do care more about the nhs and whether kids can go to eeheeh— nhs and whether kids can go to eeheeh ehe— nhs and whether kids can go to school and whether or not there-e— school and whether or not there-e e— school and whether or not there's a house- school and whether or not there's a house for them to live thet-e— there's a house for them to live thet-e tehe— there's a house for them to live that's being built— there's a house for them to live that's being built anytime soon. so that's being built anytime soon. se whw— that's being built anytime soon. se whw ie— that's being built anytime soon. se whw ie thie— that's being built anytime soon. so why is this important ? 1“ so why is this important? this is imperteht— so why is this important? this is important and— so why is this important? this is important and this is a very good question . this is important good question. this is important because free speech in universities is something that people are starting to wake up to. so we know from research done by hepi the higher education policy institute, that students are turning against free speech and more and more students feel that they have to self—censor. academics feel that they have to self—censor, and they have to self—censor, and they can't have their own sort of deliver the perspective that they'd like to give. and this is a problem because, well, the point of universities is, you know, as far as i'm aware, to create a discourse to have difficult conversations and we need a regulator that can enable those difficult conversations to happenin those difficult conversations to happen in okay. i mean, that's the iteeh— happen in okay. i mean, that's the ideal. that's— happen in okay. i mean, that's the ideal. that's the- 1“ i mean, that's the ideal. that's the ideal

eiteetiem— the ideal. that's the ideal situation, isn't— the ideal. that's the ideal situation, isn't it? just eeeteh— situation, isn't it? just explain te— situation, isn't it? just explain to me how bad this rrehiem — explain to me how bad this rrehiem ie— explain to me how bad this rrehiem ie .— explain to me how bad this problem is , because i various problem is, because i various tittereht— problem is, because i various different situations encounter eeehe— different situations encounter reeete whe — different situations encounter reeete whe i— different situations encounter people who i really, really fear for people who i really, really fear ter heeeeee— people who i really, really fear for because and— people who i really, really fear for because and infuriates me, heeeeee— for because and infuriates me, heeeeee i— for because and infuriates me, heeeeee i thew— for because and infuriates me, because i know for a fact that if because i know for a fact that it thew— because i know for a fact that it thew reeihw— because i know for a fact that if they really thought about et— if they really thought about et the— if they really thought about some of the issues facing this eeeetrw— some of the issues facing this eeehtrw. thew— some of the issues facing this country, they wouldn't just toe thie— country, they wouldn't just toe thie timi— country, they wouldn't just toe thie tiht et— country, they wouldn't just toe this kind of standard and this kind of bog standard and eeete— this kind of bog standard and eeete eheeete— this kind of bog standard and quote unquote woke narrative. het— quote unquote woke narrative. het thew— quote unquote woke narrative. het thew ee— quote unquote woke narrative. but they are so— quote unquote woke narrative. but they are so terrified . died but they are so terrified. died of but they are so terrified. died et tethe— but they are so terrified. died of being cancelled either by theme— of being cancelled either by theme greete— of being cancelled either by friend groups or— of being cancelled either by friend groups or anyone else thet— friend groups or anyone else thet-teet— friend groups or anyone else that-don't do- friend groups or anyone else that-don't do it.- friend groups or anyone else that don't do it. i also that they don't do it. i also hete— that they don't do it. i also have personal— that they don't do it. i also have personal experience of an ihtiviteei— have personal experience of an individual very— have personal experience of an individual very close me who individual very close to me who hee— individual very close to me who hee heee— individual very close to me who has been cancelled essentially by termer— has been cancelled essentially by former friends— has been cancelled essentially by former friends that they were werw— by former friends that they were werw eheee— by former friends that they were werw eheee te— by former friends that they were very close to because they've them.— very close to because they've seen them, you— very close to because they've seen them, you know, maybe say their— seen them, you know, maybe say their iee— seen them, you know, maybe say their eh— seen them, you know, maybe say their views on various different hietterme— their views on various different rtetterme ehe— their views on various different platforms and without anything weeeehter. — platforms and without anything whatsoever. they've they've, thew-we— whatsoever. they've they've, they've cancelled them. and theee— they've cancelled them. andi theee—thew-we these are people who they've heee—ehee- these are people who they've been _ since since j been friends with since since ehiitheet— been friends with since since childhood understand childhood. i don't understand why— childhood. i don't understand whw people— childhood. i don't understand whw reeete ee— childhood. i don't understand why people are doing this. what is why people are doing this. what ie the— why people are doing this. what ie the tint— why people are doing this. what is the kind of— why people are doing this. what is the kind of psychology of it ? is the kind of psychology of it e heet.— is the kind of psychology of it e heet. i— is the kind of psychology of it ? yeah. i mean,— is the kind of psychology of it ? yeah. i mean, this- is the kind of psychology of it ? yeah. i mean, this is- is the kind of psychology of it ? t/tiutit 1“ 1“ ti. 1“ ? yeah. i mean, this is such a good question. and this is very much what we've found in research on this is this sort of

culture, our of what we call sort of quiet, no platforming. and so people want they have these views they'd like to express . they they want to hear express. they they want to hear controversial opinions. they want to have difficult discussions, but they feel they're not able to and they worry about the consequences of what will happen if they do go through with these views. we know that academics on both sides was about 30% of right wing academics, but 15% of left wing academics, but 15% of left wing academics, but 15% of left wing academics feel they need to sort of regularly self—censor. this is a large proportion of academics and it's significant amongst students as well . the amongst students as well. the problem with all of this with a free speech tsar and so on, is in coming down to hard, is there a risk that we might make the problem worse? so for example, if it seems like students will face real consequences, you know that free speech is are will get involved , there'll be legal involved, there'll be legal repercussions which is another element of this bill. if they invite controversial speakers , invite controversial speakers, they may just decide to steer

clear this totally. and that clear of this totally. and that would this is what i don't would be this is what i don't quite understand about it. yeah, why i don't quite yeah, this is why i don't quite ehtereteht— yeah, this is why i don't quite understand _josh- yeah, this is why i don't quite understand josh is how understade about it. josh is how it understand about it. josh is how it-hreetieeihw— understand about it. josh is how it practically creates it actually practically creates petting— it actually practically creates petting-eh— it actually practically creates putting on speech to putting laws on speech to heteet.— putting laws on speech to tetemt. te— putting laws on speech to defend, to defend freedom of eheeeh. — defend, to defend freedom of speech. that's— defend, to defend freedom of speech. that's what i can't reite— speech. that's what i can't eeite eet— speech. that's what i can't eeite eet mw— speech. that's what i can't quite get my head around. i it— quite get my head around. i mean, it does— quite get my head around. i mean, it does seem like a little bit mean, it does seem like a little hit et— mean, it does seem like a little hit et e— mean, it does seem like a little hit et e e— mean, it does seem like a little bit of a mess there— mean, it does seem like a little bit of a mess there , bit of a mess there, potentially. - bit of a mess there, potentially. yeah i fully bit of a mess there,— potentially. yeah i fully agree. there— potentially. yeah i fully agree. there ie— potentially. yeah i fully agree. there is e— potentially. yeah i fully agree. there is a risk— potentially. yeah i fully agree. there is a risk that_ potentially. yeah i fully agree. there is a risk that in- potentially. yeah i fully agree. there is a risk that in stifling one kind of speech in trying to protect one kind of speech, we stifle another. and so we need to be careful about this and what we're seeking to do is quite an ambitious and, you know, arif ahmed wants culture change within universities . he change within universities. he wants students to change the way that they're behaving towards each other. and towards free speech. that's not something that you can do overnight, and it's not something that you can just expect just create laws and expect people them. you need people to follow them. you need to universities and win to win over universities and win over their students and persuade them free is the them that free speech is the right thing for them to do . all right thing for them to do. all right. look, thank you very meeh. — right. look, thank you very much. great— right. look, thank you very much. great to— right. look, thank you very

much. great to chat to you. and i much. great to chat to you. and i get— much. great to chat to you. and i get the— much. great to chat to you. and i get the distinct— much. great to chat to you. and i get the distinct impression thet— i get the distinct impression thet thie— i get the distinct impression that this will— i get the distinct impression that this will-be- i get the distinct impression that this will be last that this will not be the last time— that this will not be the last time-tert— that this will not be the last time .talk-this- that this will not be the last time talk this topic. time we talk about this topic. josh— time we talk about this topic. weeh-there- time we talk about this topic. josh _there from - time we talk about this topic. josh there from the josh freeman there from the higher— josh freeman there from the higher education policy union, just reacting to the idea of a tree— just reacting to the idea of a tree eeeeeh— just reacting to the idea of a free speech. so— just reacting to the idea of a free speech. so an incredibly tittieeht— free speech. so an incredibly difficult-to _ free speech. so an incredibly difficult-to do,- free speech. so an incredibly difficult to do, isn't it? difficult thing to do, isn't it? or eheeht— difficult thing to do, isn't it? or should we— difficult thing to do, isn't it? or should we would all long or should we all would all long to or should we all would all long te hive— or should we all would all long to live-world— or should we all would all long to live .world where - or should we all would all long to live world where you to live in a world where you eeh-t— to live in a world where you tent-te— to live in a world where you don't-to kind- to live in a world where you don't-to kind of- to live in a world where you don't to kind of regulate don't need to kind of regulate tree—teee- don't need to kind of regulate free—does anyone| free speech. but does anyone ehee— free speech. but does anyone ehee teet— free speech. but does anyone else just find— free speech. but does anyone else just find that whenever ewehe— else just find that whenever anyone disagrees with anything, else just find that whenever anyorpossiblyees with anything, else just find that whenever anyorpossiblyees wiboth iything, else just find that whenever anyorpossiblyees wiboth sides], else just find that whenever any0ithey're.yees wiboth sides], else just find that whenever any0ithey're always both sides], else just find that whenever any0ithey're always lobbing es], else just find that whenever any0ithey're always lobbing out, now, they're always lobbing out, you now, they're always lobbing out, wee—thiheel now, they're always lobbing out,j wee—thihee er you know, very hateful things or were- you know, very hateful things or were ter— you know, very hateful things or weere ter tert— you know, very hateful things or you're far left, you're far right. — you're far left, you're far right. lthew— you're far left, you're far right. they you you're far left, you're far- right..they-you know, right. or they use, you know, terrihie— right. or they use, you know,| terrible _that terrible derogatory words that you terrible derogatory words that wee—thet- terrible derogatory words that wee—thet wee- terrible derogatory words thati you _that you used terrible derogatory words that- you _that you used to you know, imply that you used to enjoy— you know, imply that you used to ehrew eemethihe— you know, imply that you used to enjoy something that's some people— enjoy something that's some reeete ih— enjoy something that's some people in germany did back in the eee— people in germany did back in the the eht— people in germany did back in the 30s and the— people in germany did back in the 30s and the 40s about ewerwthihe— the 30s and the 40s about everything about everything. now:— everything about everything. . newt—eree now, no matter where you are, ehwthihe— now, no matter where you are, anything remotely controversial or anything remotely controversial. ereree—e or anything that you would argue mewhe— or anything that you would argue mewhe-hee— or anything that you would argue maybe bog standard, maybe has like a bog standard, ieh-t— maybe has like a bog standard, ieh-t teee— maybe has like a bog standard, isn't does anyone— maybe has like a bog standard, isn't does anyone else find it teeeihetihee— isn't does anyone else find it fascinating? how— isn't does anyone else find it fascinating? how many middle eeet— fascinating? how many middle eeet wemeh— fascinating? how many middle aged women are— fascinating? how many middle aged women are currently called ieriee— aged women are currently called terfs?_basically. terfs? right. for just basically hehiewihe— terfs? right. for just basically believing-don't- believing that they don't want to believing that they don't want te—aht- believing that they don't want te—ahtlthel to go swimming? and in the ehemeereem— to go swimming? and in the changeroom them is to go swimming? and in the changeroom-them is man changeroom next to them is a man with— changeroom next to them is a man with-tethe— changeroom next to them is a man with-tackle and— changeroom next to them is a man with-tackle and they- with his full tackle and they are with his full tackle and they ere-ih— with his full tackle and they ere-h ee— with his full tackle and they are-in some way- with his full tackle and they are in some way desperately are now in some way desperately heteteh—ieet- hateful individuals. is i just the— hateful individuals. is i just tiht it— hateful individuals. is i just find it astonishing and lot of find it astonishing and a lot of thet— find it astonishing and a lot of thet-te— find it astonishing and a lot of that-to.coming- find it astonishing and a lot ofi that-to.coming from that appears to be coming from ehiwereitiee. — that appears to be coming from universities. i've— that appears to be coming from universities. i've got some hreetihe— universities. i've got some

breaking news— universities. i've got some breaking news for you now, theeeh— breaking news for you now, though, rees—mogg. that's though, jacob rees—mogg. that's right.— though, jacob rees—mogg. that's right. _attacked- right. has just attacked his trime— right. has just attacked his prime-rishi- right. has just attacked his prime-rishi not prime minister, rishi sunak, not ehweieehw.— prime minister, rishi sunak, not ehweieehw.|heee.— prime minister, rishi sunak, not physically, hope, over his physically, i hope, over his brexit— physically, i hope, over his brexit-climb- physically, i hope, over his brexit climb down. physically, i hope, over his- brexit-climb down. he's brexit eu law climb down. he's tweetet— brexit eu law climb down. he's tweetet .— brexit eu law climb down. he's tweeted . regrettably, the tweeted. regrettably, the prime hihieter— tweeted. regrettably, the prime minister shredded his own minister has shredded his own rremiee— minister has shredded his own promise rather— minister has shredded his own promise rather than eu laws . promise rather than eu laws. i'll promise rather than eu laws. in reei— promise rather than eu laws. i'll read that_ promise rather than eu laws. i'll read that one— promise rather than eu laws. i'll read that one more time. hreetime— i'll read that one more time. breaking news.— i'll read that one more time. breaking news. jacob rees—mogg has breaking news. jacob rees—mogg hee teet— breaking news. jacob rees—mogg has just attacked— breaking news. jacob rees—mogg has just attacked his prime hihieter.— has just attacked his prime minister, rishi— has just attacked his prime minister, rishi sunak, over his brexit— minister, rishi sunak, over his hreeit iti— minister, rishi sunak, over his brexit eu law— minister, rishi sunak, over his brexit eu law climb down. he has tweetet— brexit eu law climb down. he has tweetet thet— brexit eu law climb down. he has tweeted that regrettably, the prime — tweeted that regrettably, the prime minister— tweeted that regrettably, the prime minister has shredded his rremiee— prime minister has shredded his own promise rather the eu own promise rather than the eu iewe. — own promise rather than the eu iewe. thi— own promise rather than the eu laws. and that's— own promise rather than the eu laws. and that's right. rishi eemet— laws. and that's right. rishi sehet tit— laws. and that's right. rishi sunak did indeed now say that thew-re—hewe- sunak did indeed now say that they're—have thisi they're not going to have this hehtire— they're not going to have this hehtirelth— they're not going to have this bonfire-eu laws.- they're not going to have this bonfire eu laws. it comes bonfire of eu laws. it comes etter— bonfire of eu laws. it comes etter e— bonfire of eu laws. it comes after a video— bonfire of eu laws. it comes after a video emerged which bonfire of eu laws. it comes aftiplayedeo emerged which bonfire of eu laws. it comes aftiplayed you emerged which bonfire of eu laws. it comes aftiplayed you earlierrged which bonfire of eu laws. it comes aftiplayed you earlier and which bonfire of eu laws. it comes aftiplayed you earlier and we'lli we played you earlier and we'll play— we played you earlier and we'll thew—ehe— we played you earlier and we'll etew—ehe et- we played you earlier and we'll play—one of rishi. play it again of one of rishi sehet-e— play it again of one of rishi semet-e big— play it again of one of rishi sunak's big pledges his first sunak's big pledges in his first 100 sunak's big pledges in his first too-trime— sunak's big pledges in his first 100 prime minister. he 100 days as prime minister. he going— 100 days as prime minister. he eeme-eet— 100 days as prime minister. he was going-get-eu- 100 days as prime minister. he was going get eu laws was going to get these eu laws ehrettet— was going to get these eu laws shredded and— was going to get these eu laws shredded and now, well, it's not happening-— shredded and now, well, it's not heeeemihe. wehh— shredded and now, well, it's not happening. well well, look, ieriee— happening. well well, look, ladies gentlemen, got ladies and gentlemen, i've got a heet—eel load more coming your way, so i-m — load more coming your way, so i-m _te— load more coming your way, so i-m-te-ihte- load more coming your way, so i'm _to _into the - i'm going to delve into the ihteh— i'm going to delve into the ihhex very— i'm going to delve into the inbox very, very— i'm going to delve into the inbox very, very shortly. but i thirt— inbox very, very shortly. but i thiht i— inbox very, very shortly. but i thiht i ehe— inbox very, very shortly. but i think i can just— inbox very, very shortly. but i think i can just round off the hem. — think i can just round off the hem. .th— think i can just round off the hem. .ie hw— think i can just round off the hour. i? by saying that hour. can i? by saying that i tit— hour. can i? by saying that i tit hete— hour. can i? by saying that i did have quite— hour. can i? by saying that i did have quite a— hour. can i? by saying that i did have quite a busy day before i did have quite a busy day before i eeh— did have quite a busy day before i eet— did have quite a busy day before i eet te— did have quite a busy day before i even got to the— did have quite a busy day before i even got to the office today. etew. — i even got to the office today. etew. _er— i even got to the office today. etew. _et-wih- i even got to the office today. okay. of will know i even got to the office today. - okay. _of-will know that okay. many of you will know that heet— okay. many of you will know that heet- i — okay. many of you will know that heet-i ehreet— okay. many of you will know that last-i agreed-dance-

okay. many of you will know that last i agreed dance on last year i agreed to dance on eteee— last year i agreed to dance on eteee with— last year i agreed to dance on stage with the _ last year i agreed to dance on stage with the dream boys who eeh— stage with the dream boys who call themselves— stage with the dream boys who call themselves the uk's most temeee— call themselves the uk's most temeee mehe— call themselves the uk's most famous male strippers. now, for various reasons,— famous male strippers. now, for various reasons, it— famous male strippers. now, for various reasons, it didn't happen— various reasons, it didn't heeeeh .— various reasons, it didn't heeeeh . het— various reasons, it didn't happen , but now it is. various reasons, it didn't happen , but now it is . i was in happen, but now it is. i was in heeet— happen, but now it is. i was in teeee thie— happen, but now it is. i was in essex this morning learning the heme— essex this morning learning the dance moves that_ essex this morning learning the dance moves that i will be performing— dance moves that i will be performing on— dance moves that i will be performing on the night, and i can now reveal— performing on the night, and i can now reveal exclusively here thet— can now reveal exclusively here thet mw— can now reveal exclusively here thet mw tete— can now reveal exclusively here that my date with— can now reveal exclusively here that my date with destiny is hetheetew.— that my date with destiny is wednesday, june the 28th, and it's wednesday, june the 28th, and he going— wednesday, june the 28th, and he going te— wednesday, june the 28th, and he going te he— wednesday, june the 28th, and it's going to be in— wednesday, june the 28th, and it's going to be in bromley in tem— it's going to be in bromley in tent .— it's going to be in bromley in tent . se— it's going to be in bromley in tent . se wee— it's going to be in bromley in kent. so you can— it's going to be in bromley in kent . so you can now buy tickets kent. so you can now buy tickets eht— kent. so you can now buy tickets emt teeite— kent. so you can now buy tickets and decide that_ kent. so you can now buy tickets and decide that you— kent. so you can now buy tickets and decide that you want to come and decide that you want to come emt eee— and decide that you want to come and see me perform— and decide that you want to come and see me perform with the ereem— and see me perform with the hreem iewe.— and see me perform with the hreem hewe. i— and see me perform with the dream boys. i was there today teeming— dream boys. i was there today heemihe the— dream boys. i was there today learning the rehearsal . a full learning the rehearsal. a full reeteee— learning the rehearsal. a full eeeteee. ter— learning the rehearsal. a full package, for want of a better ehreee — package, for want of a better phreee et— package, for want of a better phreee et mw— package, for want of a better phrase of my rehearsal, will be eveiiehie— phrase of my rehearsal, will be eweihehhe te— phrase of my rehearsal, will be available to view— phrase of my rehearsal, will be available to view hopefully in tomorrow's show. _ available to view hopefully in tomorrow's show. but of course i em — tomorrow's show. but of course i em .teihe— tomorrow's show. but of course i em-teihe thie— tomorrow's show. but of course i am .doing this for— tomorrow's show. but of course i am doing this for fun. no am not doing this for fun. no eerteihiw— am not doing this for fun. no eerteihhw met.— am not doing this for fun. no certainly not. i— am not doing this for fun. no certainly not. i am raising mehew— certainly not. i am raising mehew ter— certainly not. i am raising money for the— certainly not. i am raising money for the mental health eheritw— money for the mental health eheritw himi— money for the mental health charity mind and so far we have eehheetet— charity mind and so far we have collected more— charity mind and so far we have collected more than £23,000. themt— collected more than £23,000. themt wee— collected more than £23,000. themt wee werw— collected more than £23,000. thank you very much, everybody whe— thank you very much, everybody whe teeeteeh— thank you very much, everybody who donated. and— thank you very much, everybody who donated. and it's been such a who donated. and it's been such e territie— who donated. and it's been such a terrific effort. _ who donated. and it's been such a terrific effort. it's— who donated. and it's been such a terrific effort. it's been teeteetie—

a terrific effort. it's been fantastic. but— a terrific effort. it's been fantastic. but i- a terrific effort. it's been fantastic. but i would love it, iewe— fantastic. but i would love it, iewe it.— fantastic. but i would love it, iewe it. iewe— fantastic. but i would love it, love it, love it.— fantastic. but i would love it, love it, love it. i— fantastic. but i would love it, love it, love it. i know there's a love it, love it. i know there's e eeet— love it, love it. i know there's e eeet et— love it, love it. i know there's a cost of living— love it, love it. i know there's a cost of living crisis on, but i a cost of living crisis on, but i weeht— a cost of living crisis on, but i would really— a cost of living crisis on, but i would really like it if you eeehe— i would really like it if you eeeht teet— i would really like it if you could just find— i would really like it if you could just find it within weereeit— could just find it within yourself to— could just find it within yourself to dig a little bit teeter. — yourself to dig a little bit teeter. i— yourself to dig a little bit deeper. i promise you, this date is deeper. i promise you, this date ie werw— deeper. i promise you, this date ie werw meeh— deeper. i promise you, this date ie werw meeh ih— deeper. i promise you, this date is very much in the— deeper. i promise you, this date is very much in the diary. it's teth— is very much in the diary. it's zeth et— is very much in the diary. it's zeth er rehe— is very much in the diary. it's 28th of june and— is very much in the diary. it's 28th of june and i will be in hremiew— 28th of june and i will be in hremhew ih— 28th of june and i will be in bromley in kent,— 28th of june and i will be in bromley in kent, and will bromley in kent, and i will iheteet— bromley in kent, and i willi indeed—stage bromley in kent, and i will- indeed_stage and indeed be dancing on stage and errheme— indeed be dancing on stage and etteetet-the— indeed be dancing on stage and stripping the dream boys , stripping with the dream boys, thet— stripping with the dream boys, that website _ stripping with the dream boys, that website where you can tehete— that website where you can tehete ie— that website where you can donate is just— that website where you can donate is just giving.com for eheeh— donate is just giving.com for slash fundraising forward slash ehehhemee— slash fundraising forward slash challenge christie's it's just giving.com/fundraising/challenge chrietie-e— giving.com/fundraising/challenge christie's and— giving.com/fundraising/challenge christie's and i'm _ giving.com/fundraising/challenge christie's and i'm doing it for the— christie's and i'm doing it for the mehteh— christie's and i'm doing it for the mental health charity mind heeeeee— the mental health charity mind because cause— the mental health charity mind because cause unfortunately every— because cause unfortunately every emehe— because cause unfortunately every emehe eew— because cause unfortunately every single day 12 men take their— every single day 12 men take their ew— every single day 12 men take their own lives— every single day 12 men take their own lives and suicide is the— their own lives and suicide is the ethere— their own lives and suicide is the single biggest killer of men ehter— the single biggest killer of men enter the— the single biggest killer of men enter the eee— the single biggest killer of men under the age of— the single biggest killer of men under the age of 40, which is, i thimt— under the age of 40, which is, i think, absolutely— under the age of 40, which is, i think, absolutely astonishing. so think, absolutely astonishing. se heretehhw— think, absolutely astonishing. so hopefully we— think, absolutely astonishing. so hopefully we can save some thee— so hopefully we can save some lives together— so hopefully we can save some lives together there. anyway, there— lives together there. anyway, there we — lives together there. anyway, there we we — lives together there. anyway, there we go. so— lives together there. anyway, there we go. so i— lives together there. anyway, there we go. so i just want you to. there we go. so i just want you te. hee.— there we go. so i just want you te. hee. stree— there we go. so i just want you to. yes. strap yourselves in, hetiee— to. yes. strap yourselves in, ietiee eht— to. yes. strap yourselves in, ladies and gentlemen, because there— ladies and gentlemen, because there with— ladies and gentlemen, because there will be— ladies and gentlemen, because there will be rather a big reweeh— there will be rather a big reveal or perhaps not as big as i reveal or perhaps not as big as i weeht— reveal or perhaps not as big as i weeht tite— reveal or perhaps not as big as i would like reveal. coming your wew— i would like reveal. coming your wew. herw— i would like reveal. coming your wew. herw werw— i would like reveal. coming your way. very very shortly. i've got heete— way. very very shortly. i've got heete me— way. very very shortly. i've got loads more coming hour. loads more coming this hour.

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good evening, everybody. patrick chrietwe— good evening, everybody. patrick chrietwe here— good evening, everybody. patrick christys here on— good evening, everybody. patrick christys here on gb news with you— christys here on gb news with wee ter— christys here on gb news with wee ter the— christys here on gb news with you for the next— christys here on gb news with you for the next hour. and hetee— you for the next hour. and here's what's— you for the next hour. and here's what's coming up. so eeme— here's what's coming up. so going ih— here's what's coming up. so we're going in top with the hreetime— we're going in top with the breaking news— we're going in top with the breaking news that dropped just eheet— breaking news that dropped just eheet eh— breaking news that dropped just about an hour— breaking news that dropped just about an hour ago on this very erehem— about an hour ago on this very rreerem. whith— about an hour ago on this very program, which is— about an hour ago on this very program, which is that rishi eemet— program, which is that rishi eemet-te- program, which is that rishi eehet-te he- program, which is that rishi sunak to be going back sunak appears to be going back on sunak appears to be going back ehlhie— sunak appears to be going back onlbig-brexit_ sunak appears to be going back on big brexit promise. on a big post brexit promise. there— on a big post brexit promise. there with— on a big post brexit promise. there will be— on a big post brexit promise. there will be no— on a big post brexit promise. there will be no bonfire eu there will be no bonfire of eu hew. — there will be no bonfire of eu hew. thi— there will be no bonfire of eu law. and .tell_ there will be no bonfire of eu law. and .tell you - there will be no bonfire of eu law. and tell you the law. and i'll tell you the ereheher— law. and i'll tell you the granular-on- law. and i'll tell you the. granular-on-very, granular detail on that very, werw— granular detail on that very, hew—ether- granular detail on that very, very-other news,| very shortly. in other news, were-eehe- very shortly. in other news, we-re-eeihe te- very shortly. in other news, we're going to be talking we're also going to be talking eheet— we're also going to be talking eheet thie— we're also going to be talking about this. the— we're also going to be talking about this. the archbishop of cehterherw— about this. the archbishop of canterbury waded again. about this. the archbishop of canttcalling waded again. about this. the archbishop of canttcalling vaanda again. about this. the archbishop of canttcalling vaanda policy he's calling the rwanda policy eeeehtieihw— he's calling the rwanda policy eeeehtieihw-.- he's calling the rwanda policy essentially-. that- he's calling the rwanda policy essentially . that is, essentially immoral. that is, teehite— essentially immoral. that is, teeeite ette— essentially immoral. that is, despite 47% of— essentially immoral. that is, despite 47% of the british tehhe— despite 47% of the british public backing it. and a conservative— public backing it. and a conservative government with a wherrihe— conservative government with a wapping great— conservative government with a whopping great big majority getting— whopping great big majority getting-the- whopping great big majority getting the house of getting it through the house of cemmeme— getting it through the house of commons should— getting it through the house of commons should well be keeping his commons should well be keeping hie meee— commons should well be keeping hie eet— commons should well be keeping his nose out of— commons should well be keeping his nose out of it.— commons should well be keeping his nose out of it. should we

eheiieh— his nose out of it. should we ehehieh the— his nose out of it. should we abolish the house lords? abolish the house of lords? theee— abolish the house of lords? theee-twe— abolish the house of lords? theee-twe-i- abolish the house of lords? those .two-i to those are two things i want to thew— those are two things i want to thew-wee. — those are two things i want to thew-wee. h— those are two things i want to know you. in other news, know from you. in other news, trime— know from you. in other news, mime-hee.— know from you. in other news, prince _yes. okay. - know from you. in other news, prince yes. okay. more prince harry. yes. okay. more hemhehehh— prince harry. yes. okay. more bombshell revelations out of ehether— another thrilling day in court. the— another thrilling day in court. the-hete— another thrilling day in court. the have apologised over the mirror have apologised over ehteeet— the mirror have apologised over some alleged indiscretions. there— some alleged indiscretions. there thet— some alleged indiscretions. there that have— some alleged indiscretions. there that have supposedly taken heee— there that have supposedly taken eheee im— there that have supposedly taken rheee ih trime— there that have supposedly taken place in prince harry's case. hihh— place in prince harry's case. hihh hithe— place in prince harry's case. with bring wee— place in prince harry's case. will bring you bang up to date on will bring you bang up to date eh eht— will bring you bang up to date eh ehh et— will bring you bang up to date on all of that.— will bring you bang up to date on all of that. piers morgan ihtehee— on all of that. piers morgan involved-for- on all of that. piers morgan involved for what it's involved as well for what it's eerth.— involved as well for what it's worth, although,— involved as well for what it's worth, although, course, he worth, although, of course, he temee— worth, although, of course, he denies-moving- worth, although, of course, he. denies-moving-are denies it. and moving on, we are ehee— denies it. and moving on, we are ehee-te— denies it. and moving on, we are ehee-teltehtime- denies it. and moving on, we are also to talking about also going to be talking about hew— also going to be talking about hew-tee— also going to be talking about hew-tee eit— also going to be talking about how-too old to- also going to be talking about how too old to have how old is too old to have a tie.— how old is too old to have a tie. thet-e— how old is too old to have a kid. that's what— how old is too old to have a kid. that's what i- how old is too old to have a kid. that's what i want to know. tehert— kid. that's what i want to know. tehert he— kid. that's what i want to know. tehert tee-ie— kid. that's what i want to know. robert de is apparently robert de niro is apparently teet— robert de niro is apparently heet-ehether- robert de niro is apparently just another child. is just sired another child. he is 79 just sired another child. he is it weere— just sired another child. he is it weere-thet- 79 years old. is that irresponsible? how are you ever too irresponsible? how are you ever tee-hete— irresponsible? how are you ever tee-hewe e— irresponsible? how are you ever too-have a child?- irresponsible? how are you ever too have a child? patrick too old to have a child? patrick chrietwe— too old to have a child? patrick chrietwe eh— too old to have a child? patrick chrietwe eh .— too old to have a child? patrick christys on . gb— too old to have a child? patrick christys on . gb news, right? yes christys on. gb news, right? yes tether— christys on. gb news, right? yes tether e— christys on. gb news, right? yes tether e het— christys on. gb news, right? yes rather a lot to— christys on. gb news, right? yes rather a lot to get— christys on. gb news, right? yes rather a lot to get through. do you— rather a lot to get through. do wee teet— rather a lot to get through. do you feel betrayed— rather a lot to get through. do you feel betrayed by this ihehihitw— you feel betrayed by this inability to— you feel betrayed by this inability to scrap the eu laws? i inability to scrap the eu laws? i eeeheet— inability to scrap the eu laws? i suspect maybe— inability to scrap the eu laws? i suspect maybe you do. gb views at i suspect maybe you do. gb views et eh— i suspect maybe you do. gb views et eh hewe— i suspect maybe you do. gb views et eh hewe wt.— i suspect maybe you do. gb views at gb news .uk. and— i suspect maybe you do. gb views at gb news .uk. and as well eheeht— at gb news .uk. and as well eheeht the— at gb news .uk. and as well should the archbishop of cehterherw— should the archbishop of canterbury keep his nose out of it when— canterbury keep his nose out of it when it— canterbury keep his nose out of it when it comes— canterbury keep his nose out of it when it comes to the illegal mieretieh— it when it comes to the illegal migration bill?— it when it comes to the illegal migration bill? should we scrap the-viewe— migration bill? should we scrap the views gbnews.uk the lords? gb views gbnews.uk heethihee— the lords? gb views gbnews.uk headlines now— the lords? 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headlines now with polly. tetriet. — headlines now with polly. patrick. thanks- headlines now with polly. patrick. wig 1i“c.ri.1“ headlines now with polly.- patrick. thanks very much indeed . the top stories this hour on gb news. as you've been hearing jacob rees—mogg has criticised the prime minister over scrapping plans to remove thousands of european union laws. the former cabinet minister says rishi sunak has shredded his own promise after he u—turned on a pledge to eliminate them all by the end of the year. earlier, the business secretary, kemi badenoch, said only around 600 out of 4800 laws would now be revoked under the retained eu law bill. it's due, she says , to risks of legal she says, to risks of legal uncertainty if they were automatically scrapped it. and stay with politics. sir keir starmer has criticised rishi sunak , saying he no longer has sunak, saying he no longer has a mandate to run the country. in the first prime minister's question since the local elections in england , the elections in england, the conservative party lost control of 48 councils and more than 1000 council seats , while the

1000 council seats, while the labour party gained more than 500. the prime minister defended the results, saying a general election holds far more signify yes, but the labour leader insisted that the prime minister has lost the confidence of voters up and down the country . voters up and down the country. last year he lost a tory beauty eemteet— last year he lost a tory beauty eemteet te— last year he lost a tory beauty contest to the— last year he lost a tory beauty contest to the member for eeeth—weet— contest to the member for south—west norfolk , who then south—west norfolk, who then heet— south—west norfolk, who then heet te — south—west norfolk, who then heet te e— south—west norfolk, who then lost to a lettuce— south—west norfolk, who then lost to a lettuce lettuce last eeet.— lost to a lettuce lettuce last weet. hhheh— lost to a lettuce lettuce last week. when he— lost to a lettuce lettuce last week. when he finally came into eehteet— week. when he finally came into eemteet with— week. when he finally came into contact with voters, _ week. when he finally came into contact with voters, he lost ewerwwhere— contact with voters, he lost everywhere, no _ contact with voters, he lost everywhere, no matter who the eieeterete— everywhere, no matter who the electorate is,— everywhere, no matter who the electorate is, the— everywhere, no matter who the electorate is, the prime hihieter— electorate is, the prime minister keeps entering a two hetee— minister keeps entering a two horse race and— minister keeps entering a two horse race and somehow finishing thirt— horse race and somehow finishing thirt .— horse race and somehow finishing thirt . eheh— horse race and somehow finishing third. given his— horse race and somehow finishing third . given his track record, third. given his track record, whe— third. given his track record, whe teee— third. given his track record, whe teee he— third. given his track record, who does he think he's actually got who does he think he's actually get e— who does he think he's actually get e mehtete— who does he think he's actually got a mandate from ? mr mr got a mandate from? mr mr etteetet.— got a mandate from? mr mr sheeter. ite— got a mandate from? mr mr speaker, it's a— got a mandate from? mr mr speaker, it's a bit rich to hear eheet— speaker, it's a bit rich to hear about mandates— speaker, it's a bit rich to hear about mandates from the person whe-e— about mandates from the person whe-e hreteh— about mandates from the person who's broken every— about mandates from the person who's broken every single rremiee— who's broken every single premiee . — who's broken every single promise . he— who's broken every single promise . ti; hit“ i promise. he was elected on. i mean, promise. he was elected on. i ee— promise. he was elected on. i mean, go through— promise. he was elected on. i mean, go through the- promise. ti; hit“ i mean, go through the list, mr sheeter.— mean, go through the list, mr speaker. nationalisations nhs eeteeereime— speaker. nationalisations nhs outsourcing, universal credit eht— outsourcing, universal credit emt ew— outsourcing, universal credit and now tuition— outsourcing, universal credit and now tuition fees . outsourcing, universal credit and now tuition fees. he outsourcing, universal credit and now tuition fees . he was, outsourcing, universal credit and now tuition fees. he was, mr etteetet.— and now tuition fees. he was, mr sheeter. he— and now tuition fees. he was, mr speaken he wee— and now tuition fees. he was, mr

speaker, he was for— and now tuition fees. he was, mr speaker, he was for them all hetere— speaker, he was for them all hetere he— speaker, he was for them all before he was— speaker, he was for them all before he was against them . before he was against them. hee— before he was against them. he-e het— before he was against them. he-e het hee— before he was against them. he's not he's not— before he was against them. he's not he's not just- before he was against them. he's not he's not just a- before he was against them. he's not he's not just a softie. he's not he's not just a softie. he's the flaky to now the archbishop of canterbury has condemned the government's illegal migration bill in a rare intervention in the house of lords. the controversial legislation _ lords. the controversial legislation aims- : the controversial legislation aims to detain and premethw— legislation aims to detain and rrempthw eme— legislation aims to detain and promptly remove migrants who ih— promptly remove migrants who in the— promptly remove migrants who arrive in the uk— promptly remove migrants who arrive in the uk in small boats. it arrive in the uk in small boats. it ehee— arrive in the uk in small boats. it ehee heete— arrive in the uk in small boats. it also looks to— arrive in the uk in small boats. it also looks to limit the ehihitw— it also looks to limit the ehihitw et— it also looks to limit the ability of the _ it also looks to limit the ability of the european court of hemee— ability of the european court of hemeh tighte— ability of the european court of human rights to— ability of the european court of human rights to prevent the terertetiem— human rights to prevent the deportation of— human rights to prevent the deportation of asylum seekers . deportation of asylum seekers. hewmihe— deportation of asylum seekers. downing street— deportation of asylum seekers. downing street says the bill is compassionate— downing street says the bill is compassionate and fair , but compassionate and fair, but teeth— compassionate and fair, but reetm wehhw— compassionate and fair, but justin welby says it treats mierehte— justin welby says it treats mierehte ee— justin welby says it treats migrants as invaders. c migrants as invaders. it is a eheet— migrants as invaders. it is a eheet hihh.— migrants as invaders. it is a siloed bill, not— migrants as invaders. it is a siloed bill, not a— migrants as invaders. it is a siloed bill, not a whole of government bill. it does not draw in conflict management and prevention , which drives prevention, which drives migration . it does not draw in migration. it does not draw in climate impact s which drive migrant action and conflict . it migrant action and conflict. it is isolationist . it is morally is isolationist. it is morally unacceptable and politically

impractical . local now the impractical. local now the former trade _ itiritic ti..:ttc i now the former trade secretary, lord heter— former trade secretary, lord ieter thew.— former trade secretary, lord peter lilley, has— former trade secretary, lord peter lilley, has told gb news the heeee— peter lilley, has told gb news the heeee et— peter lilley, has told gb news the house of lords has no option but the house of lords has no option het te— the house of lords has no option het te heee— the house of lords has no option het te reee the— the house of lords has no option but to pass the bill.— the house of lords has no option but to pass the bill. it will hete— but to pass the bill. it will hewe e— but to pass the bill. it will have a tough— but to pass the bill. it will have a tough time, but it will get threeeh— have a tough time, but it will get through because if the lords te— get through because if the lords te etee— get through because if the lords were to stop the— get through because if the lords were to stop the measures to etee— were to stop the measures to etee the— were to stop the measures to etee the heet— were to stop the measures to stop the boat people , that would stop the boat people, that would be stop the boat people, that would he the — stop the boat people, that would he the eht— stop the boat people, that would he the end et— stop the boat people, that would be the end of the— stop the boat people, that would be the end of the house of herte. — be the end of the house of lords. then— be the end of the house of lords. then it— be the end of the house of lords. “1:7“ c : be the end of the house of lords. c: i c lords. then it would commit suicide. the public wouldn't stand that . and you can watch stand that. and you can watch the tehh— stand that. and you can watch the full exclusive— : and you can watch the full exclusive interview with — the full exclusive interview with here — the full exclusive interview with lord peter— the full exclusive interview with lord peter lilley at 6:00 on with lord peter lilley at 6:00 eh sehtew— with lord peter lilley at 6:00 eh eehtew eh— with lord peter lilley at 6:00 on sunday on gloria meets right here— on sunday on gloria meets right here em— on sunday on gloria meets right here en et— on sunday on gloria meets right here on gb news.— on sunday on gloria meets right here on gb news. now interest retee— here on gb news. now interest rates are expected— here on gb news. now interest rates are expected to rise again thie— rates are expected to rise again thie weet— rates are expected to rise again thie weet ee— rates are expected to rise again this week as inflation remains high. — this week as inflation remains high. thet-e— this week as inflation remains high. that's according to economists— high. that's according to economists .— high. that's according to economists . experts believe the economists. experts believe the heee— economists. experts believe the heee rete— economists. experts believe the base rate will— economists. experts believe the base rate will rise— economists. experts believe the base rate will rise . by 0.25% to base rate will rise. by 0.25% to 4.5.— base rate will rise. by 0.25% to he. eht— base rate will rise. by 0.25% to es. mi thet— base rate will rise. by 0.25% to 4.5, and that would be the 12th eemeeeitwe— 4.5, and that would be the 12th consecutive raise— 4.5, and that would be the 12th consecutive raise by the central heht. — consecutive raise by the central heht. thi— consecutive raise by the central bank. and mark— consecutive raise by the central bank. and mark the highest level ehee— bank. and mark the highest level zoos.— bank. and mark the highest level zoos. any— bank. and mark the highest level since 2008. any rise is expected to since 2008. any rise is expected te mete— since 2008. any rise is expected te mete heehe— since 2008. any rise is expected to make loans and— since 2008. any rise is expected to make loans and mortgage rates more expensive . members of the

more expensive. members of the petite— more expensive. members of the petite eht— more expensive. members of the public and commercial services emeh— public and commercial services hmieh hete— public and commercial services union have voted— public and commercial services union have voted to renew their mehtete— union have voted to renew their mehtete te— union have voted to renew their mandate to keep— union have voted to renew their mandate to keep taking industrial— mandate to keep taking industrial action for the next six industrial action for the next eie mehthe. — industrial action for the next six months. the— industrial action for the next six months. the decision comes as six months. the decision comes ee ether— six months. the decision comes ee ether ehih— six months. the decision comes as other civil servants heteheihe— as other civil servants belonging to- as other civil servants belonging to the prospect union teeem— belonging to the prospect union heeem e— belonging to the prospect union heeem e hew— belonging to the prospect union began a new walkout in their heee— began a new walkout in their hehe running— began a new walkout in their long running dispute over pay, tehe— long running dispute over pay, iehe eht— long running dispute over pay, jobs and redundancy terms. this tehewe— jobs and redundancy terms. this teihewe the— jobs and redundancy terms. this follows the government's 4.5%% pay iee— follows the government's 4.5%% eew etter.— follows the government's 4.5%% pay rise offer, which the union eeit— pay rise offer, which the union eeit with— pay rise offer, which the union said will further— pay rise offer, which the union said will further erode living etemterte— said will further erode living standards as— said will further erode living standards as the publisher of the hirer— standards as the publisher of the mirror newspaper has unreservedly— the mirror newspaper has unreservedly apologised to the hete— unreservedly apologised to the eete et— unreservedly apologised to the duke of sussex— unreservedly apologised to the duke of sussex for unlawful information— duke of sussex for unlawful information gathering at the etert— information gathering at the etert et— information gathering at the etert et e— information gathering at the start of a high— information gathering at the start of a high court trial over ehheeet— start of a high court trial over ehteeet phone— start of a high court trial over alleged phone hacking. mirror meee— alleged phone hacking. mirror group newspapers admitted that trime— group newspapers admitted that time herrw-e— group newspapers admitted that prince harry's legal challenge werrehtet— prince harry's legal challenge warranted compensation . the warranted compensation. the tehheit— warranted compensation. the tabloid also— warranted compensation. the tabloid also promised the hehewieer— tabloid also promised the behaviour would never be etteetet— behaviour would never be reeeetet .— behaviour would never be repeated . other high profile repeated. other high profile eieimehte— repeated. other high profile claimants involved in the trial hetete— claimants involved in the trial ihehete the— claimants involved in the trial include the former girls aloud eheet— include the former girls aloud eiheer cherwh— include the former girls aloud singer cheryl. the estate of eeeree— singer cheryl. the estate of george michael— singer cheryl. the estate of george michael and the footballer— george michael and the footballer ian- george michael and the footballer ian wright . and footballer ian wright. and temihe— footballer ian wright. and temime eer— footballer ian wright. and turning our attentions to the

hhitet— turning our attentions to the united states— turning our attentions to the united states for just turning our attentions to the united states forjust a second. united states for just a second. the— united states for just a second. the republican— united states for just a second. the republican congressman jorge eehtee— the republican congressman jorge sehtee hee— the republican congressman jorge santos has been— the republican congressman jorge santos has been placed in us eeetetw— santos has been placed in us eeetetw etter— santos has been placed in us custody after being charged with treet— custody after being charged with treet eht— custody after being charged with fraud and money— custody after being charged with fraud and money laundering. the reetiee— fraud and money laundering. the justice department saying the 34 weer— justice department saying the 34 weer eit— justice department saying the 34 weer eit eeet— justice department saying the 34 year old used campaign funds to theme— year old used campaign funds to purchase designer— year old used campaign funds to purchase designer clothes and pay purchase designer clothes and eew ett— purchase designer clothes and eew ett eereehei— purchase designer clothes and pay off personal debt . mr santos pay off personal debt. mr santos etheeetiw— pay off personal debt. mr santos allegedly applied— pay off personal debt. mr santos allegedly applied for unemployment to money while teihe— unemployment to money while being emphewet— unemployment to money while being employed and running for cehereee— being employed and running for cemereee ie— being employed and running for congress is expected to appear in eeeh— congress is expected to appear in eeert ih— congress is expected to appear in court in new— congress is expected to appear in court in new york later on. hie-h— in court in new york later on. wet he— in court in new york later on. we'll be watching that story for you we'll be watching that story for wee .— we'll be watching that story for wee . veere— we'll be watching that story for you . you're with— we'll be watching that story for you . you're with gb news. more you. you're with gb news. more ee it— you. you're with gb news. more news as it happens. now back to . patrick i okay-i . patrick okay. let's start with our news that broke just a few moments ago. jacob rees—mogg has launched a stinging attack on rishi sunak after ministers ditched target complete ditched the target to complete a promise bonfire of more than 4000 eu laws by the end of the yeah 4000 eu laws by the end of the year. so jacob rees—mogg tweeted this. said, regrettably , the

this. he said, regrettably, the prime has shredded his prime minister has shredded his own promise, rather than eu laws and that is in relation to a video which we played you earlier. i will play it again shortly of rishi sunak ready for rishi. he said. brexit delivery department in his first 100 days. we're going to shred the eu laws. well, i'm joined now by our deputy political editor, tom harwood , who is here to tell you harwood, who is here to tell you that he hasn't know this was all to the retained eu law to do with the retained eu law bill a piece of legislation drawn up by jacob rees—mogg when he brexit opportunity he was brexit opportunity secretary, carried through when he business secretary. it he was business secretary. it was all sunsetting he was business secretary. iti was all-sunsetting those was all about sunsetting those theeeemte— was all about sunsetting those theeeehte et— was all about sunsetting those thousands of pieces of eu law so thet— thousands of pieces of eu law so thet there— thousands of pieces of eu law so that there would _ thousands of pieces of eu law so that there would be— thousands of pieces of eu law so that there would be off our etetete— that there would be off our statute books— that there would be off our statute books by the end of the weer.— statute books by the end of the weer. apert— statute books by the end of the weer. thert trem — statute books by the end of the year. apart from those that are eeeeitieehw— year. apart from those that are specifically identified to be reteihet. — specifically identified to be retained. now— specifically identified to be retained. now instead of that going— retained. now instead of that going eheet— retained. now instead of that going eheet .— retained. now instead of that going ahead , the government has going ahead, the government has emeeheet ih— going ahead, the government has announced in a— going ahead, the government has announced in a written ministerial— announced in a written ministerial statement in the heet— ministerial statement in the heet eeehhe— ministerial statement in the last couple of— ministerial statement in the last couple of hours today that it hit— last couple of hours today that it wihh he— last couple of hours today that it will be precisely reverse . it will be precisely reverse. thet.— it will be precisely reverse. tiret. the— it will be precisely reverse. first, the bill— it will be precisely reverse. first, the bill will, instead of getting— first, the bill will, instead of getting rit— first, the bill will, instead of getting it et—

first, the bill will, instead of getting rid of all— first, the bill will, instead of getting rid of all those eu laws . eheh— getting rid of all those eu laws . erert trem— getting rid of all those eu laws , apart from those— getting rid of all those eu laws , apart from those that are eeeeitieethw— , apart from those that are specifically kept, it will keep all specifically kept, it will keep ehh theee— specifically kept, it will keep all those eu _ specifically kept, it will keep all those eu laws apart from theee— all those eu laws apart from theee thet— all those eu laws apart from those that are— all those eu laws apart from those that are specifically emet— those that are specifically removed , moved. and that means removed, moved. and that means iheteet— removed, moved. and that means heteet et— removed, moved. and that means instead of removing— removed, moved. and that means instead of removing thousands of eu instead of removing thousands of th iewe.— instead of removing thousands of th iewe. were— instead of removing thousands of eu laws, we're only— instead of removing thousands of eu laws, we're only going to remove hundreds of them right? tight. — remove hundreds of them right? tight. etew.— remove hundreds of them right? tight. etew. se— remove hundreds of them right? right. okay. so why— remove hundreds of them right? right. okay. so why is— remove hundreds of them right? right. okay. so why is this- right. okay. so why is this important for brexiteers and indeed the country ? i mean, does indeed the country? i mean, does it mean that we will not be able to take full advantage of our sovereignty? well, certainly the ergememt— sovereignty? well, certainly the ergemeht thet— iti; g“c]t7’ well, certainly the argument that brexiteers will mete— argument that brexiteers will mete ih— argument that brexiteers will make in response to this is that the government— make in response to this is that the government is— make in response to this is that the government is not taking tehh— the government is not taking full advantage— the government is not taking full advantage of those opportunities that brexit rrewitee— opportunities that brexit provides. many of the brexiteers ergemem— provides. many of the brexiteers ergemeht ite— provides. many of the brexiteers argument it's for— provides. many of the brexiteers argument it's for leaving the tereheeh— argument it's for leaving the european union— argument it's for leaving the european union was being able to do european union was being able to te thihge— european union was being able to do things differently to diverge trem— do things differently to diverge item the— do things differently to diverge from the european economic meteh— from the european economic metei. te— from the european economic metei. te rehw— from the european economic model, to rely piece those herteme— model, to rely piece those burdens that_ model, to rely piece those burdens that are placed on hritieh— burdens that are placed on british businesses to have greeter— british businesses to have greater power— british businesses to have greater power for our vacuum eheehet— greater power for our vacuum cleaner or fewer— greater power for our vacuum cleaner or fewer regulations on hritieh— cleaner or fewer regulations on british kettles— cleaner or fewer regulations on british kettles or— cleaner or fewer regulations on british kettles or whatever it is. british kettles or whatever it ie. hih— british kettles or whatever it ie. ah et— british kettles or whatever it is. all of these— british kettles or whatever it is. all of these little laws thet— is. all of these little laws thet the— is. all of these little laws that the eu _ is. all of these little laws that the eu has placed on little eehe— that the eu has placed on little various parts of— that the eu has placed on little various parts of our lives, they ett— various parts of our lives, they ett eh—

various parts of our lives, they ett eh te— various parts of our lives, they ett eh te e— various parts of our lives, they add up to a regulatory burden. so add up to a regulatory burden. se eew— add up to a regulatory burden. se eew the— add up to a regulatory burden. so say the brexiteers, that metee— so say the brexiteers, that metee it— so say the brexiteers, that makes it harder to do business. thet— makes it harder to do business. thet metee— makes it harder to do business. thet metee it— makes it harder to do business. that makes it harder for british heeiheeeee— that makes it harder for british businesses to— that makes it harder for british businesses to grow and succeed. the— businesses to grow and succeed. the the— businesses to grow and succeed. and the problem— businesses to grow and succeed. and the problem here is that eheerhw— and the problem here is that clearly there— and the problem here is that clearly there has— and the problem here is that clearly there has been a bit of trietiem— clearly there has been a bit of friction created— clearly there has been a bit of friction created between continents— friction created between continents and uk in terms of thet— continents and uk in terms of thet tretihg— continents and uk in terms of that trading relationship that eeehe— that trading relationship that eeeht he— that trading relationship that could be massively offset by the by the— could be massively offset by the by the heeet— could be massively offset by the by the boost given— could be massively offset by the by the boost given to businesses by the boost given to businesses by reteeihg— by the boost given to businesses by reducing that_ by the boost given to businesses by reducing that regulation . but by reducing that regulation. but at by reducing that regulation. but et the— by reducing that regulation. but at the moment— by reducing that regulation. but at the moment you still have thet— at the moment you still have that regulation— at the moment you still have that regulation on despite the meme— that regulation on despite the ehemge ih— that regulation on despite the change in trade— that regulation on despite the change in trade terms. so you eeh-t— change in trade terms. so you teh-t get— change in trade terms. so you teh-t get thet— change in trade terms. so you don't get that benefit from hrexit. — don't get that benefit from hrexit. hew— don't get that benefit from brexit. now the argument that people— brexit. now the argument that reeete tite— brexit. now the argument that people like jacob rees—mogg will be people like jacob rees—mogg will he metihg— people like jacob rees—mogg will he metimg ie— people like jacob rees—mogg will be making is that_ people like jacob rees—mogg will be making is that the government heete— be making is that the government heete te— be making is that the government heete te ge— be making is that the government needs to go much— be making is that the government needs to go much ,— be making is that the government needs to go much , much faster in needs to go much, much faster in remevihg— needs to go much, much faster in remewihg theee— needs to go much, much faster in removing these eu— needs to go much, much faster in removing these eu laws because this parliament— removing these eu laws because this parliament only has around a this parliament only has around eweer— this parliament only has around e weer eht— this parliament only has around e weer emt e— this parliament only has around a year and a half— this parliament only has around a year and a half left in it. the— a year and a half left in it. the it— a year and a half left in it. the it thew— a year and a half left in it. and if they leave too much to the— and if they leave too much to the heet— and if they leave too much to the next parliament, it could hete— the next parliament, it could hewe e— the next parliament, it could have a-different- have a very different composition- have a very different composition that have a very different- composition .that could have a very different— composition .that could embed composition and that could embed this composition and that could embed the-ter— composition and that could embed thie-ter the— composition and that could embed this-for the long- composition and that could embed this for the long term. this eu law for the long term. ite— this eu law for the long term. rte-e— this eu law for the long term. it's a fundamental question it's also a fundamental question of_accountability. it's also a fundamental question of rishi accountability it's also a fundamental question of rishi sunak accountability it's also a fundamental question of rishi sunak himself. ility it's also a fundamental question of rishi sunak himself. '1“t: it's also a fundamental question of rishi sunak himself. “r: for rishi sunak himself. and we do for rishi sunak himself. and we the here— for rishi sunak himself. and we the hewe e— for rishi sunak himself. and we do have a little— for rishi sunak himself. and we do have a little video that rishi sunak very kindly published, which you, being as

eagle eyed as you are, tom noficed eagle eyed as you are, tom noticed we're noticed straight away. we're going play video you going to play this video for you now and i'll tell you exactly what's happening. so this is a promo video for rishi. we're at the delivery department. the brexit delivery department. in comes the shredder. in comes a box. no, it's not dominic cummings's stuff. it's got eu legislation it. eu legislation written on it. eu red on it. all red tape is written on it. all of big laws in the of these big eu laws in the sheets of a4 man with his hands on his hips and he goes, oh gosh, what i going do with gosh, what am i going to do with this? kicking in another this? oh, kicking in another massive of these massive box. all of these eu laws. there we're going laws. there we go. we're going to a bigger shredder, to need a bigger shredder, people. we need a bigger shredder. his first 100 days shredder. in his first 100 days as rishi sunak as prime minister, rishi sunak will review or repeal post brexit we go. brexit laws. right. there we go. okay we go. all 2400 of okay here we go. all 2400 of them. and that comes the shredded . there we go. the shredded paper. there we go. the eu flag going into the eu flag is going into the shredder with all of those shredder along with all of those eu legal laws. keep brexit safe, said rishi sunak , a mound of said rishi sunak, a mound of shredded paper here. there we go. so that was rishi sunak ready for rishi. oh well. oh gosh, yes. oh, only rishi can beat labour. there we are . beat labour. there we are. that's what that says. so that

was the, the advert. i just want to emphasise once more what's just happened today tom. well instead of removing those- instead of removing those theeeehte— instead of removing those thousands of— instead of removing those thousands of pieces of eu law, the government— thousands of pieces of eu law, the government has committed to teehihg— the government has committed to keeping them.— the government has committed to keeping them. this— the government has committed to keeping them. this is precisely . ite— keeping them. this is precisely reverse . it's the— keeping them. this is precisely reverse . it's the opposite of reverse. it's the opposite of tiehi— reverse. it's the opposite of rishi sunak— reverse. it's the opposite of rishi sunak qatar campaign ehetge. — rishi sunak qatar campaign pledge- the— rishi sunak qatar campaign pledge- the i— rishi sunak qatar campaign pledge. and i don't need to remiht— pledge. and i don't need to remiht wee— pledge. and i don't need to remind you it's— pledge. and i don't need to remind you it's been rather more them— remind you it's been rather more then too— remind you it's been rather more then too iewe— remind you it's been rather more than 100 days since— remind you it's been rather more than 100 days since rishi sunak heme— than 100 days since rishi sunak teeeme—ee- than 100 days since rishi sunak became—as welli than 100 days since rishi sunak| became—as well . became prime minister as well. now:— became prime minister as well. hew. te— became prime minister as well. hew. telteir— became prime minister as well. now, to .fair, the _ became prime minister as well. now, to fair, the government now, to be fair, the government are now, to be fair, the government ere-thet— now, to be fair, the government ere-thet thew— now, to be fair, the government are-that they are- now, to be fair, the government are that they are still are saying that they are still remewihg— are saying that they are still remewihg iti— are saying that they are still removing eu laws. they say they hete— removing eu laws. they say they have _removed - removing eu laws. they say they have - removed 1000 - removing eu laws. they say they have removed 1000 before have already removed 1000 before this have already removed 1000 before thie-eeme— have already removed 1000 before thie-eeme .— have already removed 1000 before thie-eeme . het— have already removed 1000 before this-came . but of— have already removed 1000 before this came . but of course this bill came. but of course eht— this bill came. but of course emt thew— this bill came. but of course eht thew eew— this bill came. but of course and they say that this bill will remove around— and they say that this bill will remove around 500 more. however soo— remove around 500 more. however too ie— remove around 500 more. however too ie e— remove around 500 more. however 500 is a smaller— remove around 500 more. however 500 is a smaller number than the mehw— 500 is a smaller number than the mehw theeeehte— 500 is a smaller number than the many thousands that it was going to many thousands that it was going te ahe— many thousands that it was going to remove. and the— many thousands that it was going to remove. and the civil service say— to remove. and the civil service eew thet— to remove. and the civil service eew thet eimriw— to remove. and the civil service say that simply they don't have the eeeeeitw— say that simply they don't have the eeeeeitwlge— say that simply they don't have the capacity go through all the capacity to go through all of the capacity to go through all et-iewe— the capacity to go through all et-hewe by— the capacity to go through all of-laws by the - the capacity to go through all of-laws by the by- the capacity to go through all of laws by the by that of these laws by the by that teetiihe. — of these laws by the by that deadline. the— of these laws by the by that deadline. the 31st of december. tem— deadline. the 31st of december. tem theht— deadline. the 31st of december. tom thank you. _ deadline. the 31st of december. tom thank you. i— deadline. the 31st of december. tom thank you. g“ tom thank you. i think you might be staying here actually for a second, though, because there's some very strong from the some very strong words from the archbishop canterbury who has archbishop of canterbury who has once again attacked the government's policy. government's immigration policy. the archbishop said house the archbishop said in the house of lords that it is morally

unacceptable to leave the poorest deal with poorest countries to deal with the this is over the the problem. this is over the illegal migration bill. he stuck his before. no doubt illegal migration bill. he stuck his do before. no doubt illegal migration bill. he stuck his do it before. no doubt illegal migration bill. he stuck his do it again.3. no doubt illegal migration bill. he stuck his do it again.3. ifact,ubt illegal migration bill. he stuck his do it again.3. ifact, it's he'll do it again. in fact, it's the time in just over a the third time in just over a year that welby has hit out at the government's plans solve the government's plans to solve the government's plans to solve the crisis. play the the small boats crisis. play the clip. isolationist. it the small boats crisis. play the clip. isolationist . it is clip. it is isolationist. it is morally unacceptable- morally unacceptable and petitieehhw— morally unacceptable and politically impractical . able to politically impractical. able to let politically impractical. able to het the— politically impractical. able to let the poorest— politically impractical. able to let the poorest countries deal with— let the poorest countries deal with the— let the poorest countries deal with the crisis— let the poorest countries deal with the crisis alone and cut our international— with the crisis alone and cut our international aid . this bill our international aid. this bill teihe— our international aid. this bill teihe etteriw— our international aid. this bill fails utterly to _ our international aid. this bill fails utterly to take a long term — fails utterly to take a long term eht— fails utterly to take a long term and strategic view of the eheihehgee— term and strategic view of the challenges of— term and strategic view of the challenges of migration and undermines— challenges of migration and undermines international eeeeeretiem— undermines international cooperation rather than taking an cooperation rather than taking em eeeertehitw— cooperation rather than taking an opportunity for the uk to ehew— an opportunity for the uk to show leadership , as we an opportunity for the uk to show leadership, as we did in rest.— show leadership, as we did in test. them— show leadership, as we did in test. them it— show leadership, as we did in 1951. even if this— show leadership, as we did in 1951. even if this bill succeeds in temeererihw— 1951. even if this bill succeeds in temporarily stopping the heete— in temporarily stopping the heete .— in temporarily stopping the heete . eht— in temporarily stopping the boats , and i— in temporarily stopping the boats , and i don't think it boats, and i don't think it with.— boats, and i don't think it with. it— boats, and i don't think it will, it won't— boats, and i don't think it will, it won't stop conflict or ehimete— will, it won't stop conflict or climate migration . the ipcc climate migration. the ipcc tereeeete— climate migration. the ipcc forecasts that_ climate migration. the ipcc forecasts that climate change by

iteeht— forecasts that climate change by iteeit. het— forecasts that climate change by itself. let alone— forecasts that climate change by itself. let alone the conflicts. ite— itself. let alone the conflicts. it-e ehreetw— itself. let alone the conflicts. it's already causing, will lead to it's already causing, will lead te et— it's already causing, will lead te et heeet— it's already causing, will lead to at least 800— it's already causing, will lead to at least 800 million more retegeee— to at least 800 million more retegeee ee— to at least 800 million more retegeee ee e— to at least 800 million more refugees as a year in total by 2050.— refugees as a year in total by 2050. i— refugees as a year in total by 2050. i erge— refugees as a year in total by 2050. i urge the— refugees as a year in total by 2050. i urge the government to reeeheiert— 2050. i urge the government to reconsider much— 2050. i urge the government to reconsider much of— 2050. i urge the government to reconsider much of the bill, whieh— reconsider much of the bill, whieh teihe— reconsider much of the bill, which fails to— reconsider much of the bill, which fails to live up to our hieterw— which fails to live up to our hieterw. eer— which fails to live up to our history. our moral responsibility and our politically,— responsibility and our politically, our political and international— politically, our political and international interests . okay, international interests. okay, so international interests. okay, ee thet— international interests. okay, ee thet wee— international interests. okay, so that was justin welby there, the archbishop _ so that was justin welby there, the archbishop of— so that was justin welby there, the archbishop of canterbury in the archbishop of canterbury in the ierie— the archbishop of canterbury in the lords, and— the archbishop of canterbury in the lords, and tom, this is big, het— the lords, and tom, this is big, het reeihw— the lords, and tom, this is big, het reeihw teet— the lords, and tom, this is big, not really just because of what hee— not really just because of what he-e eewihg. — not really just because of what he-e eewihg. i— not really just because of what he's saying. i think- not really just because of what he's saying. i think the leverage that this gives anyone who opposes the bill are we we're siding with god. we're not siding with suella braverman, which basically barry which is basically what barry gardiner this gardiner actually said on this channel earlier on. i mean, it's a gift, isn't if people. but a gift, isn't it, if people. but it's something i think, it's just something i think, more all of more fundamental about all of this, not the lords this, whether or not the lords should involved at all. tory should be involved at all. tory party much democratically party very much democratically elected with a bill put through the commons as is due process and a room full of people who

don't like the tory party get to say no. well, this is the concern of— well, this is the concern of course, and many eeehhe— concern of course, and many reeete eh— concern of course, and many reeete eh the— concern of course, and many people on the government side eht— people on the government side ehe-the— people on the government side and-the home- people on the government side and the home secretary and indeed the home secretary eht— and indeed the home secretary emt the— and indeed the home secretary and the justice— and indeed the home secretary and the justice secretary co—wrote an _ and the justice secretary co—wrote an article yesterday eehiiehet— co—wrote an article yesterday published overnight saying that the with— published overnight saying that the wihh et— published overnight saying that the will of the— published overnight saying that the will of the people should be eeheiteret— the will of the people should be considered here.— the will of the people should be considered here. that was a not so considered here. that was a not ee eehthe— considered here. that was a not so subtle hint— considered here. that was a not so subtle hint to— considered here. that was a not so subtle hint to the unelected heeee— so subtle hint to the unelected heeee thet— so subtle hint to the unelected house that they— so subtle hint to the unelected house that they should take heed of house that they should take heed et whet— house that they should take heed et whet ie— house that they should take heed of what is said— house that they should take heed of what is said by— house that they should take heed of what is said by the elected heee.— of what is said by the elected heee. ahe— of what is said by the elected house. and there's always this eert— house. and there's always this eert et— house. and there's always this sort of wrangling— house. and there's always this sort of wrangling that takes theee— sort of wrangling that takes theee withh— sort of wrangling that takes place within our our system. the heeee— place within our our system. the heeee et— place within our our system. the house of lords— place within our our system. the house of lords is— place within our our system. the house of lords is not an ehehiehimg— house of lords is not an abolishing chamber. it's a rewieihg— abolishing chamber. it's a revising chamber. and that is the the— revising chamber. and that is the line that_ revising chamber. and that is the line that many of these ierie— the line that many of these herte ee— the line that many of these lords are walking. they don't weht— lords are walking. they don't weht te— lords are walking. they don't weht te he— lords are walking. they don't want to be seen— lords are walking. they don't want to be seen to completely eeemrt— want to be seen to completely eeemrt thie— want to be seen to completely overturn this legislation , to be overturn this legislation, to be te— overturn this legislation, to be te he— overturn this legislation, to be seen to be doing— overturn this legislation, to be seen to be doing away with the hemeeretie— seen to be doing away with the democratic side— seen to be doing away with the democratic side of— seen to be doing away with the democratic side of the of the perhiemeht. — democratic side of the of the parliament. but— democratic side of the of the parliament. but many people ergee— parliament. but many people ergee thet-e— parliament. but many people argue that's precisely what thew-re— argue that's precisely what thew-re teihg— argue that's precisely what they're doing . - argue that's precisely what they're doing . t/tiutit 1“ argue that's precisely what they're doing . / �*00 argue that's precisely what they're doing. / �*00 iii“ they're doing. yeah. 100. i can see this conversation rumbling on and we'll probably be having a debate, imagine, tomorrow on a debate, i imagine, tomorrow on whether should abolish whether or not we should abolish the lords. it would the house of lords. it would be fascinating your on

fascinating to get your views on that. tom. thank you very much. tom harwood there. deputy tom harwood there. our deputy political let's get away political editor. let's get away from and from archbishops and from politicians. oh, that's nice, isn't it? oh, the isn't it? oh, good. the government is just government at the moment is just telling that telling local residents that asylum seekers will be coming their way and not giving them any say in the matter. one of the proposed sites is that famous one in bexhill in sussex, and i can't speak now to geoff newnham on sea, who newnham from bexhill on sea, who today initiated a legal action against the government over their plans to house 1200 migrants in a former prison in the community. thank you very much for joining the community. thank you very much forjoining us. great stuff. you're going to have to talk me through this legal action because this is just dropped in front of me here. now so why do you think you will succeed? you will succeed? well, unfortunately, people unfortunately, so many people have going have failed before. what's going on? well, so many people have tehert.— on? well, so many people have teiiet. thi— on? well, so many people have failed. and there— 7 well, so many people have failed. and there has also been greet— failed. and there has also been some great results— failed. and there has also been some great results in other eimiher— some great results in other eimiher eemhe— some great results in other similar camps where the gewemmeht— similar camps where the government has deemed it eeitehhe— government has deemed it eeitehie te— government has deemed it suitable to house asylum seekers as an accommodation centres. um,

. the get— as an accommodation centres. um, now , now i've got here about 170 now, now i've got here about 170 eheritiee. — now, now i've got here about 170 eheritiee. ie— now, now i've got here about 170 charities. is that_ now, now i've got here about 170 charities. is that have said theee— charities. is that have said theee eert— charities. is that have said these sort of— charities. is that have said these sort of sites are unsuitable— these sort of sites are unsuitable and it's not wanted by them.— unsuitable and it's not wanted by them. ite— unsuitable and it's not wanted by them. it's certainly not wehtet— by them. it's certainly not wehtet by— by them. it's certainly not wanted by the _ by them. it's certainly not wanted by the residents of heehiih— wanted by the residents of hexhih eh— wanted by the residents of bexhill on sea— wanted by the residents of bexhill on sea and so we've etertet— bexhill on sea and so we've started what— bexhill on sea and so we've started what it's— bexhill on sea and so we've started what it's called a pre—action_ started what it's called a pre—action protocol , which is pre—action protocol, which is a ehih— pre—action protocol, which is a civil procedure— pre—action protocol, which is a civil procedure rule. ' “t: civil procedure rule. and teeieehw— civil procedure rule. and basically it's— civil procedure rule. and basically it's a- civil procedure rule. and basically it's a formal steps pnor basically it's a formal steps prior to court action where we notify the defendants of our intentions and our information that we've gathered that then gives them the opportunity. and i can't say who the defendants het— i can't say who the defendants het i— i can't say who the defendants are, but i think— i can't say who the defendants are, but i think it's pretty eheet— are, but i think it's pretty eheer whe— are, but i think it's pretty clear who they- are, but i think it's pretty clear who they may be. but we then— clear who they may be. but we then give— clear who they may be. but we then give them the opportunity to remedy the points of the dispute , which is we're saying dispute, which is we're saying it's unsuitable . and they may be it's unsuitable. and they may be saying it's not so we give them an opportunity to look at our

points and remedy it by stopping the development . this then if the development. this then if that can't be reached, then it goes to a judicial review and then the judge then decides who's right. we think they have a very strong case. there are. okay can i can i can i interject a little bit here, jeff, if that's all right. and just put to that's all right. and just put te wee— that's all right. and just put to you directly— that's all right. and just put to you directly the - i 3“ and just put to you directly the comments of the archbishop _ to you directly the comments of the archbishop of— to you directly the comments of the archbishop of canterbury, whe— the archbishop of canterbury, whe it— the archbishop of canterbury, whe it wee — the archbishop of canterbury, who if you take— the archbishop of canterbury, who if you take what he said to its who if you take what he said to ite heteteh— who if you take what he said to its natural conclusion , then its natural conclusion, then gette— its natural conclusion, then geite reeeihhw— its natural conclusion, then quite possibly would view to you,— quite possibly would view to wee. i— quite possibly would view to wee. i weht— quite possibly would view to wee. i went te— quite possibly would view to you, i want to make it very ettee— you, i want to make it very erhee tm— you, i want to make it very clear, i'm not— you, i want to make it very clear, i'm not the one saying thie— clear, i'm not the one saying thie weeht— clear, i'm not the one saying this would possibly make you immereh— this would possibly make you immoral. how— this would possibly make you immoral. how would you respond to immoral. how would you respond te thet— immoral. how would you respond te thet e — immoral. how would you respond te thet i he— immoral. how would you respond to that ? we have— immoral. how would you respond to that ? we have a— immoral. how would you respond to that ? �*t�*t�*liii: t:c.c]. immoral. how would you respond to that ? �*t�*t�*liii: t:c.c] i iti; to that? we have a duty of care to that? we have a duty of care to all people across the world and a duty of care must extend . and a duty of care must extend. to the people that arrive on our shores who then claim asylum . shores who then claim asylum. once they have said that they want to claim asylum, they the

uk government has a duty of care to look after them. what we're saying is and not just the residents are saying this, but the charities are saying, yes, that needs to be done. and this site is unsuitable to actually do that. so you know, the government has got himself themselves into a bit of a into a bit of a pickle, shall we say, with this, because they've neglected it for so long and now they are seeking to use very draconian measures to over tried local planning policy by way of a notice that says basically we can do whatever we want and the residents and the charities simply saying it's not suitable , think again. so we've had to, you know, stop it on this campaign of a pre—action protocol to put our points, you know , on the table in front of know, on the table in front of the defendants to see whether they will rethink . and it's as they will rethink. and it's as simple as that. have a rethink, go away, have a think , and then

go away, have a think, and then come to the same conclusion that residents and the charities have reached. yeah, because there is a question, isn't there a massive question of morality and i just wonder whether or not the morality really in the primary focus of it should be for people like you and residents in a local area whose lives are going to be drastically changed by this new venue if you want to call it that. and you know, do you— call it that. and you know, do wee teet— call it that. and you know, do wee teeh ee— call it that. and you know, do you feel as though— ti..:ttcc c and you know, do you feel as though essentially weere— you feel as though essentially weere there— you feel as though essentially you're there should be more of a mereh— you're there should be more of a merei duly?— you're there should be more of a moral duty? the— you're there should be more of a moral duty? the archbishop eheeht— moral duty? the archbishop should maybe— moral duty? the archbishop should maybe be standing up in the heeee— should maybe be standing up in the heeee et— should maybe be standing up in the house of lords— should maybe be standing up in the house of lords and be be tehtihg— the house of lords and be be talking about— the house of lords and be be talking about moral duty to talking about a moral duty to people— talking about a moral duty to pebble-you— talking about a moral duty to pebble-you .— talking about a moral duty to people you . everyone has people like you. everyone has their— people like you. everyone has their ew— people like you. everyone has their own moral— people like you. everyone has their own moral compass. '1“t: their own moral compass. and i thirt— their own moral compass. and i thirt the— their own moral compass. and i thirt the ht— their own moral compass. and i think the uk is— their own moral compass. and i think the uk is tremendous in that that we are very welcoming from the huguenots back in the 17005 from the huguenots back in the 1700s to present day. however there's two things that are vital to be able to help these people and that is money and space. yes, the local governments here can't even fix

potholes , pay doctors and have potholes, pay doctors and have good education. so we're short of money and we're dreadfully short of space. they've just left france , which has half the left france, which has half the density of population that uk has. the south—east here has something like 540 people per square kilometres and scotland has 70. now, i'm not saying they should go to scotland. beautiful is scotland. scotland isn't having them . this is it. having them. this is it. seetieht.— having them. this is it. scotland. scotland- 1“; this is it. scotland. scotland scotland is eewihg— scotland. scotland scotland is eewihg he— scotland. scotland scotland is eewihg he te— scotland. scotland scotland is saying no to migrant hotels in all saying no to migrant hotels in ehh eerte— saying no to migrant hotels in all sorts, which— saying no to migrant hotels in all sorts, which is— saying no to migrant hotels in all sorts, which is remarkable eeheiterihg— all sorts, which is remarkable considering the— all sorts, which is remarkable considering the progressive heeret— considering the progressive meet et— considering the progressive nature of some— considering the progressive nature of some of the people who eheim— nature of some of the people who eieim te— nature of some of the people who eieim te he— nature of some of the people who claim to be the— nature of some of the people who claim to be the ones— nature of some of the people who claim to be the ones in power there. — claim to be the ones in power over there. look,— claim to be the ones in power over there. look, jeff, thank you— over there. look, jeff, thank wee werw— over there. look, jeff, thank wee werw meeh— over there. look, jeff, thank you very much. i- over there. look, jeff, thank you very much. i will talk to you— you very much. i will talk to wee egeih— you very much. i will talk to wee egeih werw— you very much. i will talk to you again very soon. my good theht— you again very soon. my good man. thank you— you again very soon. my good man. thank you forjoining us at ehert— man. thank you forjoining us at ehert metiee. — man. thank you forjoining us at short notice. jeff— man. thank you forjoining us at short notice. jeff newham oh, no, short notice. jeff newham oh, heleerrw. — short notice. jeff newham oh, he.-eerrw.-he- short notice. jeff newham oh, no,-sorry. _he was. no, i'm sorry. i think he was trwihg— no, i'm sorry. i think he was trwihglteih— no, i'm sorry. i think he was trwihglteh me— no, i'm sorry. i think he was trying tell me something trying to tell me something hetere— trying to tell me something hetere he— trying to tell me something before he goes.— trying to tell me something before he goes. but alas, emwwew— before he goes. but alas, anyway, on sea anyway, he's from bexhill on sea right.— anyway, he's from bexhill on sea right. etew.— anyway, he's from bexhill on sea right. okay. we'll— anyway, he's from bexhill on sea right. okay. we'll talk to jeff egeih— right. okay. we'll talk to jeff egeih — right. okay. we'll talk to jeff again soon. i'll— right. okay. we'll talk to jeff again soon. i'll him back on again soon. i'll get him back on herw— again soon. i'll get him back on herw geiethw— again soon. i'll get him back on now. very quickly. very quickly. i_day_ now. very quickly. very quickly. i—tew hetere- now. very quickly. very quickly. i—tew hetere i- now. very quickly. very quickly. i day before i even i had a busy day before i even got— i had a busy day before i even get-ettiee. — i had a busy day before i even got-office. many- i had a busy day before i even got office. many of you got into the office. many of you with— got into the office. many of you with-heet—

got into the office. many of you wihh-ieet weer- got into the office. many of you will-last year i- will know that last year i egreet— will know that last year i egreet te— will know that last year i agreed to _on - will know that last year i agreed to on stage with agreed to dance on stage with the—whe- the dream boys who call themselves— the dream boys who call themselves the uk's most famous group— themselves the uk's most famous greeh et— themselves the uk's most famous greet et mehe— themselves the uk's most famous group of male strippers. now, for group of male strippers. now, rei-et— group of male strippers. now, for-of different- for a variety of different reasons, didn't happen. but, reasons, it didn't happen. but, butt— reasons, it didn't happen. but, het. het— reasons, it didn't happen. but, but, but-working- reasons, it didn't happen. but, but, but working away on but, but i was working away on thie— but, but i was working away on thie-the— but, but i was working away on this-the scenes,- but, but i was working away on this the scenes, and this behind the scenes, and i eehtirm— this behind the scenes, and i can confirm now— this behind the scenes, and i can confirm now it is happening. etew— can confirm now it is happening. okay absolutely.— can confirm now it is happening. okay absolutely. i— can confirm now it is happening. okay absolutely. i was in essex thie— okay absolutely. i was in essex thie memhg— okay absolutely. i was in essex this morning. as— okay absolutely. i was in essex this morning. as you can see, teeming— this morning. as you can see, heemihg the— this morning. as you can see, learning the dance moves that i'll learning the dance moves that in he— learning the dance moves that i'll be performing on the night. my i'll be performing on the night. hw tetee— i'll be performing on the night. hw tetee with— i'll be performing on the night. my dates with destiny is hetheetew— my dates with destiny is wetheetew .— my dates with destiny is wednesday , june the 28th. and if wednesday, june the 28th. and if you wednesday, june the 28th. and if wee hive— wednesday, june the 28th. and if wee hive heet— wednesday, june the 28th. and if you live near bromley in kent, thee— you live near bromley in kent, theh wee— you live near bromley in kent, theh wee might— you live near bromley in kent, then you might be able to come eht— then you might be able to come emt eee— then you might be able to come emt me eh— then you might be able to come and see me up close and rereeheh— and see me up close and pereeheh oh— and see me up close and personal. on june the 28th, i with— personal. on june the 28th, i wihh he— personal. on june the 28th, i will be performing with the hreem — will be performing with the hreem hewe— will be performing with the dream boys and i will be part of a dream boys and i will be part of e zo— dream boys and i will be part of e to mihete— dream boys and i will be part of a 20 minute routine, including by the— a 20 minute routine, including by the wew— a 20 minute routine, including by the wew. e— a 20 minute routine, including by the way, a solo— a 20 minute routine, including by the way, a solo . right now. by the way, a solo. right now. of by the way, a solo. right now. or eeeree— by the way, a solo. right now. or i— by the way, a solo. right now. of course, i am— by the way, a solo. right now. of course, i am not going threegh— of course, i am not going through this— of course, i am not going through this ritualistic self humiliation,— through this ritualistic self humiliation, just for fun. i am eeteehhw— humiliation, just for fun. i am eeteehtw teihg— humiliation, just for fun. i am actually doing this to raise mehew— actually doing this to raise mehew ter— actually doing this to raise money for the— actually doing this to raise money for the mental health eheritw— money for the mental health eheritw himi— money for the mental health charity mind .— money for the mental health charity mind . so— money for the mental health charity mind . so far we've charity mind. so far we've eeteehhw— charity mind. so far we've actually collected . and can i actually collected. and can i teet— actually collected. and can i reet eew— actually collected. and can i reet eew ih— actually collected. and can i reet eew in the— actually collected. and can i just say in the last 15 minutes

reieet— just say in the last 15 minutes we've raised nearly two grand. iheh— we've raised nearly two grand. heh wee-e— we've raised nearly two grand. well you've raised nearly two greet.— well you've raised nearly two greht. hee— well you've raised nearly two grand. you wonderful people. we are grand. you wonderful people. we teet— grand. you wonderful people. we are now just £50— grand. you wonderful people. we are now just £50 away from hitting— are now just £50 away from hitting the— are now just £50 away from hitting the £25,000 mark. just werw— hitting the £25,000 mark. just werw geiethw— hitting the £25,000 mark. just werw quickly i— hitting the £25,000 mark. just very quickly, i want to say theht— very quickly, i want to say theht wee— very quickly, i want to say thank you to— very quickly, i want to say thank you to tanya. i've got the reetgiwihg— thank you to tanya. i've got the reetgiwihg hege— thank you to tanya. i've got the justgiving page in— thank you to tanya. i've got the justgiving page in front of me here.— justgiving page in front of me here. thet— justgiving page in front of me here. that justgiving page. okay-— here. that justgiving page. etew. ite— here. that justgiving page. etew. it-ereet— okay. it's just giving.com/fundraising, etew. it-e teet— giving.com/fundraising, forward eheeh— giving.com/fundraising, forward slash challenge.— giving.com/fundraising, forward slash challenge. christie's it's just giving.com/fundraising/challenge chrietie-e— giving.com/fundraising/challenge christie's tanya— giving.com/fundraising/challenge christie's tanya and her dad hete— christie's tanya and her dad hewe giweh— christie's tanya and her dad have given £15— christie's tanya and her dad have given £15 thank you mavis has have given £15 thank you mavis hee giweh— have given £15 thank you mavis hee given the.— have given £15 thank you mavis has given £20. tracey's given the.— has given £20. tracey's given the. i— has given £20. tracey's given the. treet— has given £20. tracey's given £20. i just want— has given £20. tracey's given £20. i just want to give an i weht— £20. i just want to give an i went give— £20. i just want to give an i went giwe wee— £20. i just want to give an i won't give you full name ehtheegh— won't give you full name ehtheegh i— won't give you full name although i can- won't give you full name although i can see it here. mark hee— although i can see it here. mark hee teet— although i can see it here. mark has just donated— although i can see it here. mark has just donated a— although i can see it here. mark has just donated a grand. so theht— has just donated a grand. so theht wee— has just donated a grand. so theht wee werw— has just donated a grand. so thank you very, very much ewerwhetw. — thank you very, very much everybody. and— thank you very, very much everybody. and smaller donations or everybody. and smaller donations er ehwthihg. — everybody. and smaller donations or anything. anything anything are or anything. anything anything reeihw.— or anything. anything anything are really, really— or anything. anything anything are really, really welcome. and the eeeeh— are really, really welcome. and the reason i'm— are really, really welcome. and the reason i'm doing it for mind the reason i'm doing it for mide is the reason i'm doing it for mind ie heeeeee— the reason i'm doing it for mind is because every— the reason i'm doing it for mind is because every single day, tehete— is because every single day, hehiewe it— is because every single day, believe it or— is because every single day, believe it or not,— is because every single day, believe it or not, 12 men take their— believe it or not, 12 men take their ew— believe it or not, 12 men take their own lives— believe it or not, 12 men take their own lives .— believe it or not, 12 men take their own lives . and suicide is their own lives. and suicide is the— their own lives. and suicide is the eihghe— their own lives. and suicide is the single biggest killer of men ehter— the single biggest killer of men enter the— the single biggest killer of men enter the ege— the single biggest killer of men under the age of— the single biggest killer of men under the age of 40. so there reeihw— under the age of 40. so there reeihw ie— under the age of 40. so there really is really— under the age of 40. so there really is really is— under the age of 40. so there really is really is a pandemic , really is really is a pandemic, a really is really is a pandemic, e reei— really is really is a pandemic, a real pandemic—

really is really is a pandemic, a real pandemic out there. ieeeie— a real pandemic out there. people amt— a real pandemic out there. people and unfortunately, it is eeeeeieihw— people and unfortunately, it is especially male— people and unfortunately, it is especially male suicide . right. especially male suicide. right. so especially male suicide. right. se i— especially male suicide. right. se i wehtet— especially male suicide. right. so i wanted to— especially male suicide. right. so i wanted to try— especially male suicide. right. so i wanted to try to raise a hit— so i wanted to try to raise a hit et— so i wanted to try to raise a hit et mehew— so i wanted to try to raise a bit of money for— so i wanted to try to raise a bit of money for that. i will be on bit of money for that. i will be en rehe— bit of money for that. i will be en were the— bit of money for that. i will be on june the 28th— bit of money for that. i will be on june the 28th in bromley heheihg— on june the 28th in bromley hemeihg with— on june the 28th in bromley dancing with the dream boys and ehtheegh— dancing with the dream boys and ehtheegh twe— dancing with the dream boys and although i've got— dancing with the dream boys and although i've got my t shirt on there.— although i've got my t shirt on there. i— although i've got my t shirt on there. i ehe— although i've got my t shirt on there, i can guarantee you all thet— there, i can guarantee you all thet i— there, i can guarantee you all thet i with— there, i can guarantee you all that i will be— there, i can guarantee you all that i will be getting my kit ett. — that i will be getting my kit ett. thet— that i will be getting my kit ett. thet ie— that i will be getting my kit off. that is the _ that i will be getting my kit off. that is the part of the teeh — off. that is the part of the teeh se— off. that is the part of the teeh se wee.— off. that is the part of the deal. so yes, if- off. that is the part of the deal. so yes, if you've got any mehew— deal. so yes, if you've got any money whatsoever, i would much eeereeiete— money whatsoever, i would much eerreeiete wee— money whatsoever, i would much appreciate you donating it. it's teet— appreciate you donating it. it's just giving.com/fundraising terwert— just giving.com/fundraising forward slash— just giving.com/fundraising forward slash challenge. chrietie-e— forward slash challenge. christie's right. forward slash challenge. christie's right . okay. that's christie's right. okay. that's gette— christie's right. okay. that's geite eheegh— christie's right. okay. that's quite enough of— christie's right. okay. that's quite enough of that now. there we ge. — quite enough of that now. there we ge. themt— quite enough of that now. there we ge. themt wee— quite enough of that now. there we go. thank you very much. now, etih— we go. thank you very much. now, etihh te— we go. thank you very much. now, etihh te eeme— we go. thank you very much. now, still to come, there— we go. thank you very much. now, still to come, there was a big eheet— still to come, there was a big eheet-the— still to come, there was a big shock the opening day of shock on the opening day of prime— shock on the opening day of prince harry's— shock on the opening day of prince harry's action. the prince harry's libel action. the ewmeri-hrrer— prince harry's libel action. the owner mirror newspaper owner of the mirror newspaper hee—te— owner of the mirror newspaper hee—te him - owner of the mirror newspaper has—to him and- has apologised to him and etmittet— has apologised to him and admitted that_ has apologised to him and admitted that they owe him compensation.— admitted that they owe him compensation. i'm patrick chrietwe— compensation. i'm patrick - christys—britain's

radio. okay. radio. - i okay. so radio. - . okay. so the radio. okay. so the publisher of the mirror . okay. so the publisher of the mirror newspaper— - okay. so the publisher of the hieeertewereeer— - okay. so the publisher of the hieeert teeeeeer— . okay. so the publisher of the micourt to prince— . okay. so the publisher of the micourt to prince harry— okay. so the publisher of the micourt to prince harry for in court to prince harry for whet— in court to prince harry for whet thew— in court to prince harry for what they described as illegal

ihtermetieh— what they described as illegal information gathering, which warrants compensation. prince herrw— warrants compensation. prince herrwlemehg— warrants compensation. prince herrwlemehg e— warrants compensation. prince harry among a group of high harry is among a group of high prettie— harry is among a group of high profile figures— harry is among a group of high profile figures suing the mirror meee— profile figures suing the mirror group newspapers over claims of phone— group newspapers over claims of phone heetihg— group newspapers over claims of phone heetihg .— group newspapers over claims of phone hacking . and we all know phone hacking. and we all know the triti— phone hacking. and we all know the drill when— phone hacking. and we all know the drill when it— phone hacking. and we all know the drill when it comes these the drill when it comes to these eeeh— the drill when it comes to these eeert -._ the drill when it comes to these court cases. i wanted to get court cases. but i wanted to get a court cases. but i wanted to get e tittie— court cases. but i wanted to get a little window— court cases. but i wanted to get a little window into what it was hite— a little window into what it was hite-the— a little window into what it was like _the streets - a little window into what it was like-the streets of- like to pound the streets of theet— like to pound the streets of heet-thet- like to pound the streets of fleet that particular fleet street at that particular memet— fleet street at that particular moment-some- fleet street at that particular moment some of these moment in time. some of these eihegetieee— moment in time. some of these allegations,-date- allegations, of course, date heet—hie- allegations, of course, date heet—hie ehhl allegations, of course, date. back—we all know back to the 90s. we all know there— back to the 90s. we all know there wee— back to the 90s. we all know there were some— back to the 90s. we all know there were some bad old days hetere— there were some bad old days hetere thet— there were some bad old days before that as— there were some bad old days before that as well. but joining me now is former— before that as well. but joining me now is former street me now is former fleet street eemehet— me now is former fleet street journalist. it's— me now is former fleet street journalist. it's nigel pawley. higeh— journalist. it's nigel pawley. higehihe— journalist. it's nigel pawley. higehihe wee— journalist. it's nigel pawley. nigel, do you think that there much. do you think that there whi— much. do you think that there wit-het— much. do you think that there wihh-het et— much. do you think that there will-lot of very- much. do you think that there will lot of very nervous will be a lot of very nervous reemeiiete— will be a lot of very nervous journalists out— will be a lot of very nervous journalists out there the journalists out there at the memet— journalists out there at the memet e — journalists out there at the memet e i— journalists out there at the moment? journalists out there at the moment ? c1“ti;iti; journalists out there at the moment ? c1“ti;iri; cc moment? i think there will be a few nervous accountants at the mirror group and other newspapers. the payment they've paid out today , i think they paid out today, i think they admitted there was a £75 payment. well, that that would possibly be an address or a telephone number. if you if you're dealing in those days , you're dealing in those days, that was the going rate for a telephone number or an address. if i personally didn't deal with

with— if i personally didn't deal with with thee— if i personally didn't deal with with hiee. — if i personally didn't deal with with pies. but— if i personally didn't deal with with pies. but if— if i personally didn't deal with with pies. but if i- if i personally didn't deal with with pies. �*7 with pies. but if i was sent on a job, they would the news desk would send me an address or whatever, and i can assume that they got them from a from a from a just a solicitors do so. but that mean £75 is— a just a solicitors do so. but that mean £75 is very- that mean £75 is very little. thet— that mean £75 is very little. thet weeht— that mean £75 is very little. that would suggest that the mirror realised— that would suggest that the mirror realised that it's a slam teht— mirror realised that it's a slam teht eht— mirror realised that it's a slam teht emt the— mirror realised that it's a slam dunk and the duke of litigation ian dunk and the duke of litigation ieh ie— dunk and the duke of litigation ieh ie hee— dunk and the duke of litigation ian is has another— dunk and the duke of litigation ian is has another scalp coming . i ian is has another scalp coming . i thiht— ian is has another scalp coming . i thiht the— ian is has another scalp coming . i think the mirror— ian is has another scalp coming . i think the mirror group this is . i think the mirror group this ie geihg— . i think the mirror group this ie geihg te— . i think the mirror group this is going to cost— . i think the mirror group this is going to cost them, it's ehreetw— is going to cost them, it's already cost— is going to cost them, it's already cost them i think around troo— already cost them i think around tree mitten.— already cost them i think around £100 million. uh— already cost them i think around £100 million. uh and the sun and hem— £100 million. uh and the sun and news international— £100 million. uh and the sun and news international or the news of news international or the news et the— news international or the news et the verit— news international or the news of the world and— news international or the news of the world and news international, the sun is still righting— international, the sun is still tightihg .— international, the sun is still tightihg . eh.— international, the sun is still fighting . uh, they have cost fighting. uh, they have cost hehtrete— fighting. uh, they have cost hundreds of— fighting. uh, they have cost hundreds of millions of pounds. it's hundreds of millions of pounds. it-e eh— hundreds of millions of pounds. it's an interesting— hundreds of millions of pounds. it's an interesting world, but in the— it's an interesting world, but in the teete— it's an interesting world, but in the 2090 and— it's an interesting world, but in the 2090 and i worked for tmeee— in the 2090 and i worked for express newspapers, i did work for express newspapers, i did work ter the— express newspapers, i did work for the mirror,— express newspapers, i did work for the mirror, but— express newspapers, i did work for the mirror, but after heethg— for the mirror, but after hacking, before hacking , i hacking, before hacking, i wertet— hacking, before hacking, i worked for— hacking, before hacking, i worked for the _ hacking, before hacking, i worked for the sunday mirror and the people— worked for the sunday mirror and the reeete eht— worked for the sunday mirror and the reeete me i— worked for the sunday mirror and the people and i worked for daily— the people and i worked for daily eter.— the people and i worked for daily star, where cindy yu wertet— daily star, where cindy yu wertet ee—

daily star, where cindy yu worked as well. actually, during my worked as well. actually, during mw time— worked as well. actually, during mw time there.— worked as well. actually, during my time there. yes, but but but it wee— my time there. yes, but but but it e— my time there. yes, but but but it was a different— my time there. yes, but but but it was a different world. we titm-t— it was a different world. we didn't actually— it was a different world. we didn't actually pay for stories or didn't actually pay for stories er ter— didn't actually pay for stories or for hacking— didn't actually pay for stories or for hacking .— didn't actually pay for stories or for hacking . it— didn't actually pay for stories or for hacking . it was a we were or for hacking. it was a we were a or for hacking. it was a we were e very— or for hacking. it was a we were e werw tight— or for hacking. it was a we were e werw tight ehih— or for hacking. it was a we were a very tight ship by then. twee— a very tight ship by then. however yes,— a very tight ship by then. however yes, we knew the rumours we het— however yes, we knew the rumours were we had rumours— however yes, we knew the rumours were we had rumours that a story eheet— were we had rumours that a story eheet e— were we had rumours that a story about a football— were we had rumours that a story about a football manager and a very— about a football manager and a werw temeee— about a football manager and a werw temeee th— about a football manager and a very famous tv presenter was got by heetihg— very famous tv presenter was got by heetihg .— very famous tv presenter was got by heetihg . it— very famous tv presenter was got by hacking . it was,— very famous tv presenter was got by hacking . it was, it was on, by hacking. it was, it was on, it wee— by hacking. it was, it was on, it em— by hacking. it was, it was on, it was on the. _ by hacking. it was, it was on, it was on the. so— by hacking. it was, it was on, it was on the. so how is it higehe — it was on the. so how is it higehe hew— it was on the. so how is it nigel? how did- it was on the. so how is it nigel? t: t: c it was on the. so how is it- nigel? how did so literally was it was it as simple as you would see something absolutely salacious on the front of a newspaper, you know, so and so caughtin newspaper, you know, so and so caught in bed with so and so all the all of that stuff. right. all you know, it's got alarm bells all over it. it's going to sell millions of copies and realistically, there is every chance that someone got that because they went through the voicemail and they voicemail of someone and they and realised that he'd and they realised that he'd been, know, sleeping with been, you know, sleeping with the from next door. it's the chops from next door. it's not that simple. the- not that simple. the basic point is not that simple. the basic point ie thet— not that simple. the basic point ie thetlwee— not that simple. the basic point ie thetlwee teet— not that simple. the basic point is that you just use is that if you just use something- is that if you just use something from voice hacking , something from voice hacking, weieemeih— something from voice hacking, voicemail, hacking, it would ehwieeeiw— voicemail, hacking, it would obviously look— voicemail, hacking, it would obviously look like from

obviously look like it's from weieemeih— obviously look like it's from voicemail. so— obviously look like it's from voicemail. so understand and voicemail. so i understand and hevihg— voicemail. so i understand and hevihg-te— voicemail. so i understand and hewihg-te pebble- voicemail. so i understand and having to people now having talked to people now and hewihg—emt- having read court cases and eeeteh— having read court cases and eeeteh-eeehe- having read court cases and spoken people who have been spoken to people who have been ihtehee.— spoken to people who have been ihtehee-thew— spoken to people who have been involved, they would need involved, that they would need hieterieh— involved, that they would need pictorial evidence. and the temeee— pictorial evidence. and the temeee e— pictorial evidence. and the famous a famous story which was in ehether— famous a famous story which was in ehether terer.— famous a famous story which was in another paper, wasn't used heeeeee— in another paper, wasn't used heeeeee thew— in another paper, wasn't used because they had no picture. so whet— because they had no picture. so whet tm— because they had no picture. so whet i-m eewihg— because they had no picture. so what i'm saying is— because they had no picture. so what i'm saying is they tried to hegitimiee— what i'm saying is they tried to legitimise the— what i'm saying is they tried to legitimise the information they get. — legitimise the information they get-it— legitimise the information they get-it wee— legitimise the information they get-it wee heet- legitimise the information they got. if you bear in mind got. now, if you bear in mind the— got. now, if you bear in mind the ehewhiz— got. now, if you bear in mind the showbiz journalist used to hete— the showbiz journalist used to hewe e— the showbiz journalist used to hewe e eheet— the showbiz journalist used to have a spoof thing in the have a spoof awards thing in the teee— have a spoof awards thing in the heee-the— have a spoof awards thing in the 2000 _the shafta- have a spoof awards thing in the 2000 the shafta awards , 2000 called the shafta awards, triheeee— 2000 called the shafta awards, princess _awards, - 2000 called the shafta awards, princess awards, where princess margaret awards, where we teet— princess margaret awards, where we teet the — princess margaret awards, where we took the mickey out of each ether— we took the mickey out of each ether ter— we took the mickey out of each other for daft— we took the mickey out of each other for daft stories that have heem— other for daft stories that have teem-eh— other for daft stories that have heee-eh er— other for daft stories that have heee-eh er-te- other for daft stories that have been _up or-to bei been made up or found to be etee.— been made up or found to be etee. hee— been made up or found to be untrue. you know,— been made up or found to be untrue. you know, like print. hieheei— untrue. you know, like print. michael jackson's is michael jackson's monkey is going— michael jackson's monkey is going _evidencel going to be giving evidence egeihet— going to be giving evidence egeihet-eert- going to be giving evidence against-sort of. against him. that sort of rehhieh— against him. that sort of rubbish-used- against him. that sort of rubbish used to get into rubbish that used to get into the tabloids. _ rubbish that used to get into the tabloids. one year it the tabloids. now one year it wee-hw— the tabloids. now one year it was-by vodafonei the tabloids. now one year it. was-by vodafone and was sponsored by vodafone and hetetehe— was sponsored by vodafone and hetetehe gewe— was sponsored by vodafone and vodafone gave all— was sponsored by vodafone and vodafone gave all the showbiz reemehiete— vodafone gave all the showbiz journalists mobile phones, but them— journalists mobile phones, but them te— journalists mobile phones, but warn them to change the pin hemerh— warn them to change the pin number because— warn them to change the pin number because they could be heeteeh— number because they could be heetet. hew— number because they could be hacked. now interestingly, this was hacked. now interestingly, this hetere— hacked. now interestingly, this was before everything broke out, but was before everything broke out, het it— was before everything broke out, het it wee— was before everything broke out, het it e— was before everything broke out, but it was a simple i mean, there— but it was a simple i mean, there wee— but it was a simple i mean, there he— but it was a simple i mean, there was no great science. if tehheit— there was no great science. if tabloid journalists could do it. the— tabloid journalists could do it. the heete— tabloid journalists could do it. the basic fact— tabloid journalists could do it. the basic fact i— tabloid journalists could do it.

the basic fact i understand , the basic fact i understand, hewihg— the basic fact i understand, hewihg heee— the basic fact i understand, having been told by vodafone , is having been told by vodafone, is thet.— having been told by vodafone, is het eew.— having been told by vodafone, is het eew. the— having been told by vodafone, is that, say, the mobile phone had a that, say, the mobile phone had e hih— that, say, the mobile phone had e pin eemehe— that, say, the mobile phone had a pin number. every mobile phone has a pin number. every mobile phone hee e— a pin number. every mobile phone hee e hih— a pin number. every mobile phone has a pin number.— a pin number. every mobile phone has a pin number. so let's say for argument's_ has a pin number. so let's say for argument's sake, it was 5—5, t—e— for argument's sake, it was 5—5, t—s. i— for argument's sake, it was 5—5, t—s. i teht— for argument's sake, it was 5—5, 5—5. i don't know— for argument's sake, it was 5—5, 5—5. i don't know if— for argument's sake, it was 5—5, 5—5. i don't know if what they eeet— 5—5. i don't know if what they eeet te— 5—5. i don't know if what they eeet te te— 5—5. i don't know if what they eeet te te ie— 5—5. i don't know if what they used to do is have— 5—5. i don't know if what they used to do is have two people, ehehihg— used to do is have two people, one phoning the— used to do is have two people, one phoning the phone to jam it. the one phoning the phone to jam it. the ether— one phoning the phone to jam it. the ether ee— one phoning the phone to jam it. the other one going through to weieemeih— the other one going through to weieemeih it— the other one going through to voicemail. if you— the other one going through to voicemail. if you put in the pin hemerh— voicemail. if you put in the pin number on that_ voicemail. if you put in the pin number on that phone, you hit the voicemail,— number on that phone, you hit the voicemail, you hit the voicemails,_ the voicemail, you hit the voicemails, that was as voicemails, that it was as eimihe— voicemails, that it was as eimeie ee— voicemails, that it was as simple as that. - voicemails, that it was as simple as that. the problem that voicemails, that it was as sin had as that. the problem that voicemails, that it was as sin had as that today)roblem that voicemails, that it was as sin had as that today tabloid that we had is that today tabloid heweeeeere— we had is that today tabloid meweeerere ih— we had is that today tabloid newspapers in those days were ehmeet— newspapers in those days were eimeet the— newspapers in those days were almost the journalists were eimeet— almost the journalists were eimeet tite— almost the journalists were almost like godlike. they went ereeht— almost like godlike. they went ereeht eht— almost like godlike. they went around and caused chaos and hetee— around and caused chaos and hewee eht— around and caused chaos and havoc and there— around and caused chaos and havoc and there was no repercussions.- havoc and there was no repercussions. there was no memet.— repercussions. there was no internet, there _ repercussions. there was no internet, there was no twitter there.— internet, there was no twitter there. there— internet, there was no twitter there. there was— internet, there was no twitter there. there was no people hehtihg— there. there was no people holding them— there. there was no people holding them to account when it showhiz— holding them to account when it was showbiz news. showbiz news heme— was showbiz news. showbiz news heme very— was showbiz news. showbiz news heme werw. very— was showbiz news. showbiz news became very, very big in that dewit— became very, very big in that era. david beckham , posh spice era. david beckham, posh spice eithe— era. david beckham, posh spice eirie. wee— era. david beckham, posh spice eirte. wee me— era. david beckham, posh spice girls, you name it,— era. david beckham, posh spice girls, you name it, suddenly whet— girls, you name it, suddenly whet wee— girls, you name it, suddenly what was sneered at previously eettehhw— what was sneered at previously was suddenly selling papers. now ieemehiete— was suddenly selling papers. now journalists were— was suddenly selling papers. now journalists were under huge rreeeere et— journalists were under huge pressure at the— journalists were under huge pressure at the news of the hierht — pressure at the news of the hierht et— pressure at the news of the world at the _ pressure at the news of the world at the mirror group to

eh— world at the mirror group to eh with— world at the mirror group to come up with stories every week . ahe— come up with stories every week . the when— come up with stories every week . the when it— come up with stories every week . and when it was— come up with stories every week . and when it was showbiz reemehiete.— . and when it was showbiz journalists, showbiz people, it weht— journalists, showbiz people, it wasn't seem to— journalists, showbiz people, it wasn't seem to be a problem. they— wasn't seem to be a problem. thew het— wasn't seem to be a problem. thew het ee— wasn't seem to be a problem. they had one person, possibly, whe— they had one person, possibly, whe wee— they had one person, possibly, who was getting— they had one person, possibly, who was getting involved in dark erte— who was getting involved in dark erte. it— who was getting involved in dark erte. it wee— who was getting involved in dark arts. it was when— who was getting involved in dark arts. it was when every reemehiet— arts. it was when every journalist on- arts. it was when every journalist on those papers wirteehw— journalist on those papers virtually was— journalist on those papers virtually was involved and eiwiiieee— virtually was involved and civilians, people who'd lost ehihtrem— civilians, people who'd lost children, people who were merteret.— children, people who were murdered, you— children, people who were murdered, you know, that sort of thing. — murdered, you know, that sort of thing. thet-e— murdered, you know, that sort of thing. that's where— murdered, you know, that sort of thing. that's where it went into the ridiculous— thing. that's where it went into the ridiculous realms that it hee— the ridiculous realms that it hee heme— the ridiculous realms that it has become so— the ridiculous realms that it has become so the idea that there— has become so the idea that there wee— has become so the idea that there was this— has become so the idea that there was this huge i mean, most of there was this huge i mean, most et it— there was this huge i mean, most et it i— there was this huge i mean, most et it i meem— there was this huge i mean, most of it i mean, when— there was this huge i mean, most of it i mean, when i— there was this huge i mean, most of it i mean, when i worked at the— of it i mean, when i worked at the sehtew— of it i mean, when i worked at the sunday mirror,— of it i mean, when i worked at the sunday mirror, for instance, the sunday mirror, for instance, the rreeeeree— the sunday mirror, for instance, the pressures were— the sunday mirror, for instance, the pressures were we were off on the pressures were we were off eh hehtew. — the pressures were we were off on monday. we'd— the pressures were we were off on monday. we'd print the paper, sehtew— on monday. we'd print the paper, sunday he— on monday. we'd print the paper, sehtew he he— on monday. we'd print the paper, sunday it'd be out— on monday. we'd print the paper, sunday it'd be out and finished heetew— sunday it'd be out and finished monday thee.— sunday it'd be out and finished monday, 11:00. i— sunday it'd be out and finished monday, 11:00. i had to have the— monday, 11:00. i had to have the eterw— monday, 11:00. i had to have five story ideas— monday, 11:00. i had to have five story ideas for that week eht— five story ideas for that week emt thew— five story ideas for that week and they couldn't just be rehhieh— and they couldn't just be rubbish._be.| and they couldn't just be- rubbish._be. that's rubbish. they had to be. that's a rubbish. they had to be. that's e hege— rubbish. they had to be. that's a huge pressure— rubbish. they had to be. that's a huge pressure .— rubbish. they had to be. that's a huge pressure . in a few hours a huge pressure. in a few hours when— a huge pressure. in a few hours when wee-e— a huge pressure. in a few hours when you've finished doing a huge pressure. in a few hours wpaper.u've finished doing a huge pressure. in a few hours wpaper. absolutely.ished doing a huge pressure. in a few hours wpaper. absolutely. week doing a huge pressure. in a few hours wpaper. absolutely. week after a paper. absolutely. week after weet— a paper. absolutely. week after weet-weet— a paper. absolutely. week after week-week after- a paper. absolutely. week after week week after week and week after week after week and the eiteetieh— week after week after week and the situation is— week after week after week and the situation is that some pebble— the situation is that some people succumbed . some people people succumbed. some people eemet.— people succumbed. some people were worried. from— people succumbed. some people were worried. from my point of view— were worried. from my point of view, careers were _ were worried. from my point of view, careers were ruined heeeeee—

view, careers were ruined heeeeee et— view, careers were ruined because of hacking, not because thew— because of hacking, not because thew wee— because of hacking, not because they were hacking _ because of hacking, not because they were hacking , but because they were hacking, but because they were hacking, but because the eteriee— they were hacking, but because the stories that_ they were hacking, but because the stories that those people heetet— the stories that those people hacked went _ the stories that those people hacked went to— the stories that those people hacked went to on win awards. t hey— hacked went to on win awards. thew weht— hacked went to on win awards. thew weht eh— hacked went to on win awards. they went on to— hacked went to on win awards. they went on to get good jobs eht— they went on to get good jobs emt we— they went on to get good jobs and we were getting told off. why— and we were getting told off. hvhw eeh-t— and we were getting told off. whw eeh-t wee— and we were getting told off. why can't you get stories like thie— why can't you get stories like thie whee— why can't you get stories like this when we _ why can't you get stories like this when we were just using eehteetee— this when we were just using eehteetee i— this when we were just using contacts? i mean,— this when we were just using contacts? i mean, there was a there— contacts? i mean, there was a there wee— contacts? i mean, there was a there was there— contacts? i mean, there was a there was there was a famous guy eehee— there was there was a famous guy eehhet wehh. — there was there was a famous guy eehhet wehh. i— there was there was a famous guy called well, i won't— there was there was a famous guy called well, i won't put his chrietieh— called well, i won't put his christian name,— called well, i won't put his christian name, but we scored in the—he— christian name, but we scored in the—he eeet- christian name, but we scored in the—he eeetlge the bin, man. and he used to go reeme— the bin, man. and he used to go reemer-ewee— the bin, man. and he used to go round swap rubbish sacks round and swap rubbish sacks trem— round and swap rubbish sacks trem iewwere— round and swap rubbish sacks from lawyers and— round and swap rubbish sacks from lawyers and showbiz agents and from lawyers and showbiz agents emt megee— from lawyers and showbiz agents and managers and— from lawyers and showbiz agents and managers and put his own the— and managers and put his own the ih— and managers and put his own the in hege— and managers and put his own bins in bags in— and managers and put his own bins in bags in used to go home eht— bins in bags in used to go home emt eeteehw— bins in bags in used to go home and actually stick— bins in bags in used to go home and actually stick together. it teet— and actually stick together. it teet heete— and actually stick together. it took hours and— and actually stick together. it took hours and hours all the etert— took hours and hours all the etett thet— took hours and hours all the stuff that had— took hours and hours all the stuff that had been through ehrettere— stuff that had been through shredders and— stuff that had been through shredders and wow. and so the hetere.— shredders and wow. and so the hetere. he— shredders and wow. and so the hetere. he wee— shredders and wow. and so the papers, he was the one who came up papers, he was the one who came eh with— papers, he was the one who came eh with ihteh— papers, he was the one who came up with elton john— papers, he was the one who came up with elton john selling tehete.— up with elton john selling £35,000, spending £35,000 on thewere— £35,000, spending £35,000 on thewere ter— £35,000, spending £35,000 on flowers for instance. he was eeet— flowers for instance. he was eeet by— flowers for instance. he was eeet by the— flowers for instance. he was used by the guardian in their hegeh— used by the guardian in their hegeh tight— used by the guardian in their legal fight against jonathan hittet— legal fight against jonathan hitteh. rer— legal fight against jonathan aitken. for instance . so there aitken. for instance. so there hegitimeew— aitken. for instance. so there was legitimacy there. but this is was legitimacy there. but this ie when— was legitimacy there. but this ie when wee— was legitimacy there. but this is when you look— was legitimacy there. but this is when you look back now, it's meteee. ite— is when you look back now, it's madness. it's a— is when you look back now, it's madness. it's a guy— is when you look back now, it's madness. it's a guy going around hegh— madness. it's a guy going around hegh temee—

madness. it's a guy going around hegh remee higeh— madness. it's a guy going around hugh james nigel look, they were hivihg— hugh james nigel look, they were hivihg ih— hugh james nigel look, they were hivihg in. i— hugh james nigel look, they were living in. i could— hugh james nigel look, they were living in. i could talk to you eheet— living in. i could talk to you eheet eih— living in. i could talk to you about all this— living in. i could talk to you about all this all day and i thet— about all this all day and i sense that you— about all this all day and i sense that you and i maybe need to sense that you and i maybe need te ge— sense that you and i maybe need te ge eet— sense that you and i maybe need te ge eet ter— sense that you and i maybe need to go out for dinner,— sense that you and i maybe need to go out for dinner, and. '1“t: to go out for dinner, and. and i weere— to go out for dinner, and. and i weeht reve— to go out for dinner, and. and i weeht heve te— to go out for dinner, and. and i would love to. i— to go out for dinner, and. and i would love to. i would love to continue this conversation. rac. nigel, really appreciate you coming talk to you coming on. we'll talk to you again soon. as former fleet again very soon. as former fleet street journalist pauley street journalist nigel pauley with insight there with a fascinating insight there into of wild west into the kind of wild west world that to be on fleet that it used to be on fleet street. isn't it? and that world, of course, is what prince harry is desperately trying to bnng harry is desperately trying to bring really, some bring down. really, and get some presumably get some kind of financial recompense for us, those and those to come between now and six. whether justin six. i'll ask whether justin welby speaking out welby should be speaking out against the government's migrants whether he's migrants policy and whether he's right rwanda plan is right that the rwanda plan is essentially ungodly. and robert de niro says that he's become a dad at grand old age dad again at the grand old age of i'm going to ask what is of 79. i'm going to ask what is too to old be a dad? now, though, headlines with paul . though, headlines with paul. patrick. thank you. the top eteriee— patrick. thank you. the top stories this— patrick. thank you. the top stories this hour.— tie: thank you. the top stories this hour. jacob teee—hegg— stories this hour. jacob rees—mogg has criticised the trime— rees—mogg has criticised the prime minister— rees—mogg has criticised the prime minister over scrapping plans— prime minister over scrapping plans te— prime minister over scrapping plans to remove— prime minister over scrapping plans to remove thousands of

tereheeh— plans to remove thousands of european union— plans to remove thousands of european union laws. the former eehihet— european union laws. the former cabinet minister— european union laws. the former cabinet minister said. rishi sehet— cabinet minister said. rishi sehet het— cabinet minister said. rishi sunak had shredded his own rremiee— sunak had shredded his own promise after— sunak had shredded his own promise after he u—turned on a pledge— promise after he u—turned on a pledge te— promise after he u—turned on a pledge to eliminate them all by the eht— pledge to eliminate them all by the end et— pledge to eliminate them all by the end of the— pledge to eliminate them all by the end of the year. hours eeriier— the end of the year. hours earlier, the— the end of the year. hours earlier, the business secretary, temi — earlier, the business secretary, kemi badenoch,— earlier, the business secretary, kemi badenoch, said that only ereeht— kemi badenoch, said that only ereeht eee— kemi badenoch, said that only around 600 out— kemi badenoch, said that only around 600 out of 4800 laws weeht— around 600 out of 4800 laws weeht ew— around 600 out of 4800 laws would now be— around 600 out of 4800 laws would now be revoked under the teteihet— would now be revoked under the teteihet th— would now be revoked under the retained eu law— would now be revoked under the retained eu law bill, and that's due :— retained eu law bill, and that's tee . ehe— retained eu law bill, and that's tee . ehe eete.— retained eu law bill, and that's due , she said, to— retained eu law bill, and that's due , she said, to risks of legal due, she said, to risks of legal emeerteihtw. — due, she said, to risks of legal uncertainty. if— due, she said, to risks of legal uncertainty. if they were automatically- uncertainty. if they were automatically reviewed . members automatically reviewed. members of automatically reviewed. members eithe— automatically reviewed. members et the petite— automatically reviewed. members of the public and— automatically reviewed. members of the public and commercial servieee— of the public and commercial services union— of the public and commercial services union have voted to their— services union have voted to renew their mandate to keep tetihg— renew their mandate to keep taking industrial action for the heet— taking industrial action for the next eit— taking industrial action for the next six months.— taking industrial action for the next six months. the decision comes as other— next six months. the decision comes as other civil servants hehehgihg— comes as other civil servants hehehgihg te— comes as other civil servants belonging to the— comes as other civil servants belonging to the prospect union hegem— belonging to the prospect union hegeh e— belonging to the prospect union hegeh e hew— belonging to the prospect union began a new walkout in their hehg— began a new walkout in their hehg remihg— began a new walkout in their long running dispute over pay tehe— long running dispute over pay iehe eht— long running dispute over pay jobs and redundancy terms . it jobs and redundancy terms. it teihewe— jobs and redundancy terms. it teihewe the— jobs and redundancy terms. it follows the government's 4.5% pay— follows the government's 4.5% pay iee— follows the government's 4.5% pay etter.— follows the government's 4.5% pay rise offer, which the union eeit— pay rise offer, which the union eeit with— pay rise offer, which the union said will further— pay rise offer, which the union said will further erode living etemterte— said will further erode living etehterte .— said will further erode living standards . and— said will further erode living standards . and the archbishop of standards. and the archbishop of cehterherw— standards. and the archbishop of cehterherw hee— standards. and the archbishop of canterbury has urged the government— canterbury has urged the government to reconsider for meeh— government to reconsider for meeh et— government to reconsider for meeh et the— government to reconsider for much of the illegal migration hihh — much of the illegal migration hihh h— much of the illegal migration hihh in e— much of the illegal migration bill. in a rare— much of the illegal migration bill. in a rare intervention in

the— bill. in a rare intervention in the heme— bill. in a rare intervention in the heeee et— bill. in a rare intervention in the house of lords, the controversial- the house of lords, the controversial legislation aims to controversial legislation aims te teteih— controversial legislation aims to detain and— controversial legislation aims to detain and promptly remove pebble— to detain and promptly remove reeete whe— to detain and promptly remove people who arrive— to detain and promptly remove people who arrive into the uk in emeh— people who arrive into the uk in emeht heete. — people who arrive into the uk in small boats. downing street says the hihh— small boats. downing street says the hihh ie— small boats. downing street says the bill is compassionate and teir.— the bill is compassionate and teir. het— the bill is compassionate and fair, but justin— the bill is compassionate and fair, but justin welby says it teete— fair, but justin welby says it treats migrants— fair, but justin welby says it treats migrants as invaders . us treats migrants as invaders. us eht— treats migrants as invaders. us emt the— treats migrants as invaders. us and the publisher— treats migrants as invaders. us and the publisher of the mirror meweeeher— and the publisher of the mirror heweeeeer hee— and the publisher of the mirror newspaper has unreservedly eeehegieet— newspaper has unreservedly eeehegieette— newspaper has unreservedly apologised to the duke of sussex for apologised to the duke of sussex ter ehhewteh— apologised to the duke of sussex for unlawful information getherihg— for unlawful information getherihg et— for unlawful information gathering at the start of a trier— gathering at the start of a trieh eve— gathering at the start of a trial over alleged phone hacking at trial over alleged phone hacking et the— trial over alleged phone hacking et the high— trial over alleged phone hacking at the high court.— trial over alleged phone hacking at the high court. mirror group heweeerere— at the high court. mirror group newspapers admitted that prince herrw-e— newspapers admitted that prince herrw-e hegeh— newspapers admitted that prince harry's legal challenge warranted— harry's legal challenge warranted compensation. the tehheit— warranted compensation. the tabloid also— warranted compensation. the tabloid also promised the hehevieer— tabloid also promised the behaviour would never be repealed— behaviour would never be repeated and— behaviour would never be repeated and republican congressman— repeated and republican congressman george santos has heem— congressman george santos has been heeet— congressman george santos has teeh theeet ih— congressman george santos has been placed in us— congressman george santos has been placed in us custody after teihg— been placed in us custody after teihg eherget— been placed in us custody after being charged with fraud and mehew— being charged with fraud and money laundering. the justice tetertmemt— money laundering. the justice department says— money laundering. the justice department says the 34 year old eeet— department says the 34 year old eeet eemteigh— department says the 34 year old used campaign funds to purchase teeigher— used campaign funds to purchase designer clothes— used campaign funds to purchase designer clothes and pay off tereehei— designer clothes and pay off personal debt— designer clothes and pay off personal debt .— designer clothes and pay off personal debt . mr santos also personal debt. mr santos also ehhegethw— personal debt. mr santos also allegedly applied for unemployment money while being

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investments that matter. okay, so let's get a bit more on archbishop justin welby's criticism of the government. he said in the lords today that- i c i c he said in the lords today that the ihhegeh— said in the lords today that the illegal migration— said in the lords today that the illegal migration bill is merehw— illegal migration bill is morally unacceptable and tehitieehhw— morally unacceptable and politically impractical. last weer— politically impractical. last weer .— politically impractical. last weer . he— politically impractical. last year , he said— politically impractical. last year , he said plans to send year, he said plans to send eewhem— year, he said plans to send asylum seekers— year, he said plans to send asylum seekers to rwanda were, eht— asylum seekers to rwanda were, me im— asylum seekers to rwanda were, me i-m geetihg— asylum seekers to rwanda were, and i'm quoting now , ungodly. so and i'm quoting now, ungodly. so is and i'm quoting now, ungodly. so ie the— and i'm quoting now, ungodly. so ie the tweete— and i'm quoting now, ungodly. so is the rwanda plan— and i'm quoting now, ungodly. so is the rwanda plan ungodly with me ie the— is the rwanda plan ungodly with me now is the reverend doctor temert— me now is the reverend doctor bernard rundle_ me now is the reverend doctor bernard rundle and who's an erteihet— bernard rundle and who's an ordained church— bernard rundle and who's an ordained church of england ehergwmeh— ordained church of england clergyman and— ordained church of england clergyman and the former conservative _ clergyman and the former conservative cabinet minister, hm— conservative cabinet minister, ann widdecombe as well, who to tiet. — ann widdecombe as well, who to tiet. ietiee— ann widdecombe as well, who to pick. ladies first— ann widdecombe as well, who to pick. ladies first as— ann widdecombe as well, who to pick. ladies first as ever. an is pick. ladies first as ever. an ie it— pick. ladies first as ever. an ie it ehgethw— pick. ladies first as ever. an is it ungodly ? _ pick. ladies first as ever. an is it ungodly ? is it ungodly? certainly not. what is ungodly is the human trafficking that is going on, which is, of course , encouraged which is, of course, encouraged by the small boats and secondly, what is ungodly is people risking their lives at sea. and what should be happening is a very firm deterrent policy so that those two things do not happen . and you can't do that happen. and you can't do that teet— happen. and you can't do that reet by— happen. and you can't do that reet by teihg— happen. and you can't do that reet by teihg e—

happen. and you can't do that just by being a kind- 1“ and you can't do that just by being a kind and weheemhg— just by being a kind and welcoming. you can only do it by teihg— welcoming. you can only do it by teihg timi— welcoming. you can only do it by teihg tiht eht— welcoming. you can only do it by being kind and welcoming to theee— being kind and welcoming to theee whe— being kind and welcoming to those who are— being kind and welcoming to those who are genuine refugees eht— those who are genuine refugees eht teihg— those who are genuine refugees eht teihg verw— those who are genuine refugees and being very firm and refusing the applications— and being very firm and refusing the applications of— and being very firm and refusing the applications of those who are the applications of those who het. — the applications of those who net the— the applications of those who are not. and if— the applications of those who are not. and if the deterrence means sending— are not. and if the deterrence means sending people to rwanda or means sending people to rwanda er the— means sending people to rwanda or the deterrence— means sending people to rwanda or the deterrence means housing teetie— or the deterrence means housing teetie ih— or the deterrence means housing teette ih eeeere— or the deterrence means housing people in secure reception eehreet— people in secure reception centres , then— people in secure reception centres , then that is what we centres, then that is what we meet— centres, then that is what we meet he.— centres, then that is what we must do, because— centres, then that is what we must do, because in the end that is must do, because in the end that ie geihg— must do, because in the end that ie geihg te— must do, because in the end that ie geihg te heve— must do, because in the end that is going to have a— must do, because in the end that is going to have a godly outcome. okay git 1“; is going to have a godly- outcome. okay i'm going to bring in the reverend doctor bernard rundle, now an ordained church of england clergyman as far as i could tell, justin welby is proposing a solution that allows everyone into this country and also simultaneously sorts all of the world's problems out . is the world's problems out. is that i mean, is that the that right? i mean, is that the godly approach? well if that were true, that it sorted all the world's problems, then of course would godly. but course it would be godly. but but doesn't seem to course it would be godly. buti butldoesn't seem to .that but it doesn't seem to me that whet— but it doesn't seem to me that whet teeth— but it doesn't seem to me that what justin-has- but it doesn't seem to me that what justin-has in- but it doesn't seem to me that what justin has in mind what justin welby has in mind eehievee— what justin welby has in mind eehievee-se— what justin welby has in mind achieves-so i'm- what justin welby has in mind achieves so i'm going to achieves that. so i'm going to say— achieves that. so i'm going to eew i— achieves that. so i'm going to eew i tieegree— achieves that. so i'm going to say i disagree with the archbishop _ say i disagree with the archbishop with respect to him. i archbishop with respect to him. i eeh-t— archbishop with respect to him. i eeh-t thew— archbishop with respect to him.

i don't know every— archbishop with respect to him. i don't know every last- archbishop with respect to him. i don't know every last detail of the rwanda plan, but it seems to me better than doing absolutely nothing at all as far as i can see. some kind of teterrehee— as i can see. some kind of deterrence should- i 1“ some kind of deterrence should be in place. hvhether— deterrence should be in place. whether this— deterrence should be in place. whether this is— deterrence should be in place. whether this is the right one thet-e— whether this is the right one that's above— whether this is the right one that's above my— whether this is the right one that's above my pay grade, as it tet— that's above my pay grade, as it tet i— that's above my pay grade, as it were. but i would— that's above my pay grade, as it were. but i would dispute the ieee— were. but i would dispute the itee thet— were. but i would dispute the itee thet it— were. but i would dispute the idea that it is— were. but i would dispute the idea that it is ungodly to try to idea that it is ungodly to try te reeiet— idea that it is ungodly to try to resist false— idea that it is ungodly to try to resist false immigration, if ehhw— to resist false immigration, if ehhw teeee— to resist false immigration, if only because actually the ereehtiee— only because actually the countries these people are eemihg— countries these people are eemihg trem— countries these people are coming from need their brightest and coming from need their brightest eht teet— coming from need their brightest eht teet eht— coming from need their brightest and best and most— coming from need their brightest and best and most able people to tevehet— and best and most able people to develop themselves— and best and most able people to develop themselves . we're develop themselves. we're eteehihg— develop themselves. we're stealing their— develop themselves. we're stealing their people and that thet— stealing their people and that thet eeh-t— stealing their people and that thet eeh-t te— stealing their people and that that can't be godly. that's thet-e— that can't be godly. that's thet-e e— that can't be godly. that's that's a great— that can't be godly. that's that's a great argument. the trem— that's a great argument. the treih trem— that's a great argument. the brain drain coming- that's a great argument. the brain drain coming into this country is bad for the people of whatever other countries in the middle east or whatever, who need neurosurgeons and who need all of these people . and i'll all of these people. and i'll bnng all of these people. and i'll bring you back in now what justin welby has allowed to happenis justin welby has allowed to happen is for certain elements of the labour party, the lib dems, to say that they now have god on their side because they are standing with justin welby and opposing suella braverman is

justin . while we may be actually justin. while we may be actually falsely using god here or is that too far? i think he's not teiitereteiw— that too far? i think he's not deliberately doing- �*.:tti7’ i think he's not deliberately doing that. he is etter— deliberately doing that. he is etter eh.— deliberately doing that. he is etter eh. eh— deliberately doing that. he is after all, an archbishop. but i thiht— after all, an archbishop. but i thiht hee— after all, an archbishop. but i think he's led— after all, an archbishop. but i think he's led his— after all, an archbishop. but i think he's led his arguments run ewew— think he's led his arguments run ewew with— think he's led his arguments run ewew with him — think he's led his arguments run away with him completely. ti; away with him completely. he's not away with him completely. he's het reeihw— away with him completely. he's not really thinking _ away with him completely. he's not really thinking what he's saying. i don't believe that the labour party or the lib dems would claim to be on their would claim god to be on their side because they don't really like god used. do you remember hieeteir— like god used. do you remember alastair campbell?— like god used. do you remember alastair campbell? we- c ct1itt: c. : do you remember alastair campbell? we don't do eet— alastair campbell? we don't do cor .— alastair campbell? we don't do get . he— alastair campbell? we don't do get . he eeit— alastair campbell? we don't do god , he said. so— alastair campbell? we don't do god , he said. so i— alastair campbell? we don't do god , he said. so i doubt very god, he said. so i doubt very meeh— god, he said. so i doubt very meeh thew-hi— god, he said. so i doubt very much they'll claim god is on their— much they'll claim god is on their eite— much they'll claim god is on their side. but— much they'll claim god is on their side. but but it does have a their side. but but it does have e tewehetegieeh— their side. but but it does have a psychological effect on kindly eeehe— a psychological effect on kindly souls listening— a psychological effect on kindly souls listening in— a psychological effect on kindly souls listening in the country eht— souls listening in the country me i— souls listening in the country me i thiht— souls listening in the country and i think the— souls listening in the country and i think the opposite case heete— and i think the opposite case heete te— and i think the opposite case heete te te— and i think the opposite case needs to be made very robustly. if needs to be made very robustly. it wee— needs to be made very robustly. it wee teht— needs to be made very robustly. if you don't deter— needs to be made very robustly. if you don't deter it, you're going— if you don't deter it, you're geihg te— if you don't deter it, you're geihg te get— if you don't deter it, you're going lo gel a— if you don't deter it, you're going to get a massive humanitarian problem . �*ifttticc going to get a massive— humanitarian problem . well, you humanitarian problem. well, you are. humanitarian problem. well, you i— humanitarian problem. well, you i he— humanitarian problem. well, you are. i mean, he alluded to it himself. he said by 2050, there's going to be about 800 million refugees and i do think britain might sink at some point if they all did come over if indeed they all did come over here. yeah, well, yeah. reverend, can i bring you back in now? should the archbishop be sticking job and sticking to his day job and trying bums on seats

trying to get more bums on seats in church cars and trying to get the christian message out there in communities does he risk in communities? does he risk pushing some very well—meaning people away from the church in this? because not everyone's opposed to the rwanda plan. indeed and i think he needs to be indeed and i think he needs to te reeihw— indeed and i think he needs to be really careful— indeed and i think he needs to be really careful not— 3: and i think he needs to be really careful not to be party— be really careful not to be party political,— be really careful not to be party political, but i think christianity— party political, but i think christianity is— party political, but i think christianity is political in the thet— christianity is political in the sense that christians say jesus is sense that christians say jesus ie hert— sense that christians say jesus ie hert eet-e— sense that christians say jesus is lord god's law— sense that christians say jesus is lord god's law is over everwthihg. — is lord god's law is over everything. and we saw that in the coronation— everything. and we saw that in the coronation service. the imtertehee— the coronation service. the importance of— the coronation service. the importance of god's law. so in his importance of god's law. so in hie day— importance of god's law. so in hie tew ret— importance of god's law. so in hie tew ret ie— importance of god's law. so in his day job is to— importance of god's law. so in his day job is to remind us of eet-e— his day job is to remind us of eet-e iew.— his day job is to remind us of god's law, but— his day job is to remind us of god's law, but actually we need to god's law, but actually we need te etert— god's law, but actually we need te etert ih— god's law, but actually we need te etert ih eer— god's law, but actually we need to start in our own— god's law, but actually we need to start in our own hearts. rhet— to start in our own hearts. tiret et— to start in our own hearts. first of all,— to start in our own hearts. first of all, and- to start in our own hearts. first of all, and then extend thet— first of all, and then extend thet eteehi— first of all, and then extend that around our— first of all, and then extend that around our families , our that around our families, our eemmehitiee— that around our families, our communities and wider. that around our families, our communities and wider . so communities and wider. so i thiht— communities and wider. so i thiht hee— communities and wider. so i think he's just— communities and wider. so i think he's just starting at the wrehg— think he's just starting at the wremg eht— think he's just starting at the wrehg eht et— think he's just starting at the wrong end of the discussion. and i wrong end of the discussion. and i thiht— wrong end of the discussion. and ithiht tretethw— wrong end of the discussion. and i think probably this intervention is not the right thing.— intervention is not the right thing. se— intervention is not the right thing. se. wee.— intervention is not the right thing. so, yes, his day job is to thing. so, yes, his day job is te teht— thing. so, yes, his day job is to talk about— thing. so, yes, his day job is to talk about everything being ehter— to talk about everything being ehter eet— to talk about everything being ehter eet .— to talk about everything being under god . but— to talk about everything being under god . but but let's start under god. but but let's start with— under god. but but let's start with teethe-e— under god. but but let's start with people's hearts and the retehtehee— with people's hearts and the repentance that_ with people's hearts and the repentance that we're all called

to repentance that we're all called te ee— repentance that we're all called te ee eert— repentance that we're all called te ee eert et— repentance that we're all called to as sort of the— repentance that we're all called to as sort of the basic thing. thet-e— to as sort of the basic thing. thet-e the— to as sort of the basic thing. that's the first— to as sort of the basic thing. that's the first thing jesus eeit— that's the first thing jesus eeit ih— that's the first thing jesus eeit it the— that's the first thing jesus said in the gospels. repent and once we've done— said in the gospels. repent and once we've done that, then yes, we heet— once we've done that, then yes, we can look at— once we've done that, then yes, we can look at immigration . we can look at immigration. ierhete— we can look at immigration. iterhete heet.— we can look at immigration. perhaps look, both of you , can i perhaps look, both of you, can i teet— perhaps look, both of you, can i we eew— perhaps look, both of you, can i reet eew hew— perhaps look, both of you, can i just say how much— perhaps look, both of you, can i just say how much i've thereeghiw— just say how much i've thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. thank you very, very much. and i hope to speak to you both again very, very soon. the reverend dr. soon. that is the reverend dr. bernard he an bernard randall. there he is, an ordained england ordained church of england clergyman and the former conservative cabinet minister, ann widdecombe, as well. look, great fantastic great stuff that a fantastic views from different views there from different angles on this whole welby debate, want to debate, isn't there? i want to hear from you as well. i'll squeeze in a couple of years before of this show, before the end of this show, i promise. at gb news .uk promise. gb views at gb news .uk get them coming in. but i want to talk about this as well. robert de has become robert de niro has become a father again age 79. father again at the age of 79. is he old to be a dad? is it is he too old to be a dad? is it unfair on

news is britain's news. channel right— news is britain's news. channel right i — news is britain's news. channel right i here-e— news is britain's news. channel right ? here's a— news is britain's news. channel right ? ti iti : tit1“ news is britain's news. channel right ? : tit1“ right? here's a question for you.can right? here's a question for you. can you too be old to become a dad ? rod stewart's

become a dad? rod stewart's eighth child was born when he was 66. bruce what looks well for it, doesn't he? bruce willis was a relatively young 59 when his fifth child was born. ronnie would became a father of twins. when he was 69. his rolling stones colleague mick jagger , stones colleague mick jagger, became a dad again at the age of 73. you cannot kill a british rock star, can you? anyway but he's also been beaten, though, by robert de niro, who is a dad. again at the age of 79, joining me to discuss this now is harry mount, the editor of the oldie magazine and broadcaster and author anna mae manga. thank you very much, anna. i'll bring you in. old is too to old be a in. how old is too to old be a parent? he is definitely too old. in fact, he's version on tee— old. in fact, he's version on tee-te— old. in fact, he's version on tee-te te— old. in fact, he's version on too-to be-child's- too old to be the child's grandfather, _ too old to be the child's grandfather, alone father. grandfather, let alone father. the— grandfather, let alone father. het-tehet— grandfather, let alone father. and .joined the - grandfather, let alone father. and joined the selfish old and he's joined the selfish old etet— and he's joined the selfish old chet .— and he's joined the selfish old chet . ehehg— and he's joined the selfish old club , along with— and he's joined the selfish old club , along with rupert murdoch club, along with rupert murdoch as-one. actually- club, along with rupert murdoch as one. i and as another one. actually. and whet— as another one. actually. and whet — as another one. actually. and what worries me— as another one. actually. and what worries me is— as another one. i and what worries me is his poor wife might— what worries me is his poor wife might-her— what worries me is his poor wife might-her husband- what worries me is his poor wife might her husband and her might have her husband and her baby— might have her husband and her tetw—et— might have her husband and her tetw—et the- might have her husband and her baby—at the same- baby in nappies at the same time. — baby in nappies at the same time. it— baby in nappies at the same time. if this— baby in nappies at the same time. if this carries- baby in nappies at the same time. �*7 tiitii 1“ okay. time. if this carries on. okay. i time. if this carries on. okay. i meem— time. if this carries on. okay. i wee-ve— time. if this carries on. okay. i mean, you've come- time. �*7 tiitii 1“ okay. i mean, you've come out time. �*7 i” 1“ okay. i mean, you've come out of time. �*7 is” 1“ okay. i mean, you've come out of the tete— i mean, you've come out of the traps. absolutely.— i mean, you've come out of the traps. absolutely. flying there . i traps. absolutely. flying there . i thew. — traps. absolutely. flying there . i thew. serrw— traps. absolutely. flying there . i know. sorry for the

hehgeege.— . i know. sorry for the language. let's crack on. i'll trihg— language. let's crack on. i'll trihg wee— language. let's crack on. i'll trihg wee ih— language. let's crack on. i'll bring you in now.- language. let's crack on. i'll bring you in now. harry so eemh— bring you in now. harry so eerrw. hvhet— bring you in now. harry so sorry. what do— bring you in now. harry so sorry. what do you do, harry? is he tee— sorry. what do you do, harry? is he tee eht— sorry. what do you do, harry? is he tee eit te— sorry. what do you do, harry? is he too old to be— sorry. what do you do, harry? is he too old to be a— sorry. what do you do, harry? is he too old to be a dad? not at alb— he too old to be a dad? not at eh. — he too old to be a dad? not at eh. here— he too old to be a dad? not at all, no. here at— he too old to be a dad? not at all, no. here at the- he too old to be a dad? not at all, no. ti ”ti [3th ti all, no. here at the oldie, we salute older fathers and older mothers . and in fact, i think mothers. and in fact, i think he's broken a record. we had a donald trelford, the former editor of the observer, wrote an article in the oldie a few years ago saying he thought his britain's oldest dad at 76. well at 79, robert de niro has smashed that record. and i do think there is a serious point that all those rock stars you refer to just now, they're probably better dads now in their 60s, 70s or even 80s than they would have been when they were wild young men. so actually, i think all- ct: 1“; 1“ so actually, i think all those ehter— actually, i think all those older fathers— actually, i think all those older fathers make for better tethere. — older fathers make for better fathers. _ hazardi older fathers make for betteri fathers. _hazard is fathers. the obvious hazard is thet— fathers. the obvious hazard is thet thew— fathers. the obvious hazard is thet thew tie.— fathers. the obvious hazard is that they die. so— fathers. the obvious hazard is that they die. so poor old tehete— that they die. so poor old donald trelford died earlier thie— donald trelford died earlier thie weer— donald trelford died earlier this year when _ donald trelford died earlier this year when his child was entw— this year when his child was ehhw — this year when his child was ehhw se— this year when his child was only nine. so that is the hezert. — only nine. so that is the hazard. otherwise i think hazard. but otherwise i think thew— hazard. but otherwise i think thew-ter— hazard. but otherwise i think. they-for-responsible, they make for more responsible, eeheiterete— they make for more responsible, considerate fathers. i think thet-e— considerate fathers. i think thet-e e— considerate fathers. i think that's a really, really good point, anna. let me put that to

you then. apart from the, uh, you then. apart from the, uh, you know, impending fear of death and a child growing up without a father, some would argue that de niro argue that robert de niro accumulated years and accumulated wisdom of years and years and years of being on the scene a good dad. and scene might make a good dad. and with know, with modern medicine, you know, he another 20 years he could have another 20 years in him. well, he's not walking anyone up the aisle, is he? because if the average age to get—ie— because if the average age to get—ie eo- because if the average age to get—ie to ehtl because if the average age to. get—is 30 and he'd get married now is 30 and he'd be get married now is 30 and he'd te-theh.— get married now is 30 and he'd te-them. se— get married now is 30 and he'd te-them. se i— get married now is 30 and he'd be-then. so i think- get married now is 30 and he'd be then. so i think if it's be 109 then. so i think if it's a be 109 then. so i think if it's e teeghter.— be 109 then. so i think if it's a daughter, she'll be heading up there— a daughter, she'll be heading up there erehe— a daughter, she'll be heading up there alone. but— a daughter, she'll be heading up there alone. but it's just so eehtieh— there alone. but it's just so eehtieh. ite— there alone. but it's just so selfish. it's about being selfish. it's not about being a tether. — selfish. it's not about being a tether. ite— selfish. it's not about being a father. it's about— selfish. it's not about being a father. it's about dad. father. it's about being a dad. amt— father. it's about being a dad. amt-tete— father. it's about being a dad. and-take time.- father. it's about being a dad.- and _take time.imean, and that does take time. i mean, i and that does take time. i mean, i thew— and that does take time. i mean, i thew ite— and that does take time. i mean, i thew it-e-eet— and that does take time. i mean, i know it's sad occasions i know it's very sad occasions when— i know it's very sad occasions when-fathers- i know it's very sad occasions when _fathers do - i know it's very sad occasions when fathers do die young when some fathers do die young and when some fathers do die young ehe—with- when some fathers do die young and _with their- and they can't be with their ehteret— and they can't be with their children-the- and they can't be with their children. the majority of children. but the majority of pebble— children. but the majority of eeehe-thew- children. but the majority of people, they have child people, when they have a child are people, when they have a child ere—te- people, when they have a child ere—te tig- are looking forward to big milestones— are looking forward to big milestones them. when they are looking forward to big miito tones them. when they are looking forward to big miito school, them. when they are looking forward to big miito school, whentm. when they are looking forward to big miito school, when they/hen they are looking forward to big miito school, when they gon they are looking forward to big miito school, when they go to hey go to school, when they go to eeihege. — go to school, when they go to eethege. wheh— go to school, when they go to college, when they get married, whee— college, when they get married, wheh thew— college, when they get married, when they children their when they have children of their _ew.weee geihg- when they have children of their own. you're going to own. i mean, you're going to mie— own. i mean, you're going to mtee-eh— own. i mean, you're going to mtee-eh ehh— own. i mean, you're going to mtee-eh ehh et- own. i mean, you're going to miss on all of that money miss out on all of that money teeee— miss out on all of that money teeeeeelie— miss out on all of that money becauselis often— miss out on all of that money because is often rich old because it is often rich old reetere— because it is often rich old rockers who _ because it is often rich old rockers who do _ because it is often rich old rockers who do this money is no eetetitete— rockers who do this money is no substitute for— rockers who do this money is no substitute for father. and the substitute for a father. and the ether— substitute for a father. and the ether tig— substitute for a father. and the other big injustice that other big injustice is that my teeghter-e— other big injustice is that my daughter's recently daughter's just recently had a baby— daughter's just recently had a tetw-ehe— daughter's just recently had a baby she described at 33 baby and she was described at 33 as baby and she was described at 33 ee e gerietrie— baby and she was described at 33 as a geriatric mother. i mean, wee— as a geriatric mother. i mean,

wee thew.— as a geriatric mother. i mean, you know, that's— as a geriatric mother. i mean, you know, that's mother nature has you know, that's mother nature hee-titw— you know, that's mother nature hee-titwlwemehl you know, that's mother nature has pity women, have has got no pity on women, have thewe—meh- has got no pity on women, have thewe—meh eeh- has got no pity on women, have they?_man can do. has got no pity on women, have they? man can do it, they? whereas a man can do it, ehtheegh— they? whereas a man can do it, although-healthily- they? whereas a man can do it, although healthily . older although not healthily. older _rmheve— although not healthily. older men-have a lot- although not healthily. older men have a lot more men tend to have a lot more tretheme— men tend to have a lot more problems with— men tend to have a lot more problems with their offspring. so problems with their offspring. se tirm — problems with their offspring. se tirm ieh-t— problems with their offspring. so firm isn't as— problems with their offspring. so firm isn't as good. ” g“ so firm isn't as good. all right . etew.— so firm isn't as good. all right . okay, harry, i'll bring you in for one final flourish on this then, you know. so do you think that there's nothing wrong with a man in their late 70s, you know, giving birth or not giving birth, being the father of a child and you know who's they might not be around for a couple of you know? yeah > no, i of years, you know? yeah > no, i think it's fundamentally- pits”; 7 t/tis 1“ > no, i think it's fundamentally fine. the— think it's fundamentally fine. het-ee— think it's fundamentally fine. and-so-really- think it's fundamentally fine. and so really important and also so the really important teveietmeht— and also so the really important development—of- and also so the really important development—of us| development years for all of us is development years for all of us ie when— development years for all of us ie when were— development years for all of us is when we're really young. so if is when we're really young. so it wee— is when we're really young. so it wee heve— is when we're really young. so if you have lvery,_ is when we're really young. so if you have very, very good if you have a very, very good tet— if you have a very, very good tet ter— if you have a very, very good tet ter teh— if you have a very, very good dad for ten years,— if you have a very, very good dad for ten years, that's better then— dad for ten years, that's better thee-eteehihg- than having an appalling, territhe— than having an appalling, terrible or— than having an appalling, terrible or absent dad 30 or 40 or terrible or absent dad 30 or 40 er to. — terrible or absent dad 30 or 40 er to. heet— terrible or absent dad 30 or 40 or 50. look fantastic. - terrible or absent dad 30 or 40 or 50. i 1“.s1“

there, editor of the oldie magazine broadcast from magazine and broadcast from author right. author anna may mangan. right. well, lot kicked off author anna may mangan. right. thhe lot kicked off author anna may mangan. right. thhe end lot kicked off author anna may mangan. right. thhe end there.t kicked off author anna may mangan. right. thhe end there. butked off author anna may mangan. right. thhe end there. but i'veoff author anna may mangan. right. thhe end there. but i've just at the end there. but i've just got couple of minutes i got a couple of minutes left. i think go to jus michelle think i can go to jus michelle dewberry is with me right now in the studio. hello you? the studio. hello how are you? i'm right, thank you. was i'm all right, thank you. i was hietehihg— i'm all right, thank you. i was listening with— i'm all right, thank you. i was listening with interest to listening with great interest to thet— listening with great interest to that conversation. there because when— that conversation. there because whet-wee— that conversation. there because whet-wee-thet- when i heard you ask that geeetiem— when i heard you ask that question,_was| when i heard you ask that- question,_was was, question, my instinct was was, wear..— question, my instinct was was, weeh-tee— question, my instinct was was, weeh-tee eht. - question, my instinct was was, yeah, too old. poor yeah, it's way too old. poor tit.— yeah, it's way too old. poor tit. hee— yeah, it's way too old. poor kid. you know,— yeah, it's way too old. poor kid. you know, guys to be kid. you know, guys going to be teet— kid. you know, guys going to be teet eee.— kid. you know, guys going to be dead soon. and— kid. you know, guys going to be dead soon. and then i just theeght— dead soon. and then i just theeght te— dead soon. and then i just thought to myself, actually, obe treet— thought to myself, actually, obe heet—it— thought to myself, actually, obe treet—it get- thought to myself, actually, obe treet—it get te- thought to myself, actually, obe trust—it got to do. trust fund. what's it got to do with— trust fund. what's it got to do with-heet.— trust fund. what's it got to do with .yeah, - know- with us? yeah, you know what? teeeeee— with us? yeah, you know what? because—family- because everyone's family is set up because everyone's family is set “p_n°_ because everyone's family is set ere—he ee- because everyone's family is set ere—he reeihw- up differently. no one really thewe— up differently. no one really knows—behindj up differently. no one really- knows_behind closed knows what goes on behind closed teee— knows what goes on behind closed heete-wee— knows what goes on behind closed heete-wee ehe— knows what goes on behind closed doors.-you can have- knows what goes on behind closed doors. you can have this doors. and you can have this tittere— doors. and you can have this picture perfect— doors. and you can have this picture perfect couple in their tee— picture perfect couple in their the .— picture perfect couple in their the . ahe— picture perfect couple in their 20s . and actually things are not 20s. and actually things are not whet— 20s. and actually things are not whet thew— 20s. and actually things are not what they seem.— 20s. and actually things are not what they seem. could what they seem. or you could heve— what they seem. or you could heve thie— what they seem. or you could have this couple— what they seem. or you could have this couple that are deeply what they seem. or you could haloveiis couple that are deeply what they seem. or you could halove andhuple that are deeply what they seem. or you could halove and can; that are deeply what they seem. or you could halove and can welcome deeply what they seem. or you could halove and can welcome aeeply what they seem. or you could halove and can welcome a child in love and can welcome a child ihte— in love and can welcome a child he thie— in love and can welcome a child into this loving— in love and can welcome a child into this loving home. you see so into this loving home. you see ee mehw— into this loving home. you see ee mehw tite— into this loving home. you see so many kids at— into this loving home. you see so many kids at the moment being merteret— so many kids at the moment being merteret by— so many kids at the moment being murdered by their— so many kids at the moment being murdered by their parents or their— murdered by their parents or their etet— murdered by their parents or their step parents or whatever . their step parents or whatever. so their step parents or whatever. se eeteehhw— their step parents or whatever. so actually, someone is able so actually, if someone is able to so actually, if someone is able te-e— so actually, if someone is able te-e tit— so actually, if someone is able te-e tit e— so actually, if someone is able to-a kid a loving- so actually, if someone is able to a kid a loving home, to give a kid a loving home, a thirt.— to give a kid a loving home, a ehiit. e— to give a kid a loving home, a child, a loving— to give a kid a loving home, a child, a loving home for as long as child, a loving home for as long ee thet— child, a loving home for as long ee thet ie— child, a loving home for as long as that is possible— child, a loving home for as long as that is possible for that temihw— as that is possible for that temihw .— as that is possible for that family , then— as that is possible for that family , then why not? family, then why not? i think, you— family, then why not? i think, wee thew.— family, then why not? i think, wee thew. it— family, then why not? i think, you know, if someone like robert

de i'm assuming he's got de niro, i'm assuming he's got tens millions in bank, tens of millions in the bank, say, mick jagger or any of say, or a mick jagger or any of these people, roger stewart, if they can be present fathers who give children a good give their children a good life for however many years they are alive and they they they , alive and they and they they, you know, leave them a bit of money as well. so i don't see what the problem and you what the problem is. and you know well, i don't know what as well, i don't really to encourage really want to encourage playground bullying because i think this and age as think in this day and age as well, a lot of kids do have older parents. my kid been one, by the— older parents. my kid been one, by the wew. — older parents. my kid been one, by the wew. i— older parents. my kid been one, by the wew. i wee— : ”ti my kid been one, by the way. i was definitely a gerietrie— by the way. i was definitely a geriatric mum _ by the way. i was definitely a geriatric mum when i my geriatric mum when i had my tittie— geriatric mum when i had my hitthe ehe— geriatric mum when i had my little one. and— geriatric mum when i had my little one. and actually i don't weht— little one. and actually i don't weht thet— little one. and actually i don't weht thet-e— little one. and actually i don't want that a source of yet want that to be a source of yet ehether— want that to be a source of yet another reason— want that to be a source of yet another reason that kids get tehhei— another reason that kids get teihiet ih— another reason that kids get bullied in the— another reason that kids get bullied in the playground teeee— bullied in the playgroundi because—and bullied in the playground- because_and the because the dads this and the meme-ite— because the dads this and the mums-it's like,- because the dads this and the mums it's like, oh, so mums that, it's like, oh, so wheth— mums that, it's like, oh, so whete hive— mums that, it's like, oh, so what? live and— mums that, it's like, oh, so what? live and live, you what? live and let live, you thew.— what? live and let live, you thew-i- what? live and let live, you thew-i egree- what? live and let live, you know. i agree with know. yeah, no, i agree with wee.— know. yeah, no, i agree with wee. — know. yeah, no, i agree with wee. .teet— know. yeah, no, i agree with you- .jusl going- know. yeah, no, i agree with you. .just going to- know. yeah, no, i agree with. you. .just going to finish you. i'm just going to finish michelle, that's all right, michelle, if that's all right, by another cheeky by just doing another cheeky little plug because viewers of this that have this show will know that i have promised promised some promised and i promised some time now i doing it time ago, but now i am doing it to dance on stage and strip with the dreamboys. yes, the male strippers, dreamboys. strippers, the dreamboys. i now have date, which is the 28th have a date, which is the 28th of bromley and went

of june in bromley and i went today my routine. so in today to learn my routine. so in the couple days i'm the next couple of days i'm going be putting together the going to be putting together the promo clip, if you want to call it that, of me learning my dance routine for the dreamboys. i'm doing try and raise money doing it to try and raise money for mental health charity for the mental health charity mind day, mind because every single day, unfortunately, 12 men take their own and suicide is the own lives and suicide is the single biggest killer of men under the age 40, which under the age of 40, which i think is an astonishing statistic. can donate money statistic. you can donate money just .com forward slash just giving .com forward slash fundraising forward slash challenge, christi. so i started the show with £23,619 and now thanks to you wonderful people, we already have £28,413. that's almost . £4,800 raised in the almost. £4,800 raised in the last hour. california gym gave us two grand and kishore gave us £500. there's more of you. so many to mention. martin'sjust many to mention. martin's just chucked in a fiver. whatever you can give. i really appreciate it. justgiving.com forward slash fundraising forward slash. can i keep your clothes on? christie's you can pay to keep my clothes on, but it will cost you 25

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that people that can make petty crime shouldn't be locked up. instead, we should come up with alternate solutions for them. well how about they operate in an alternate manner and do not commit petty crime in the first place? and then if they do, they perhaps don't start crying when they get sent to prison. am i a

little bit harsh and get this,