that people that can make petty crime shouldn't be locked up. instead, we should come up with alternate solutions for them. well how about they operate in an alternate manner and do not commit petty crime in the first place? and then if they do, they perhaps don't start crying when they get sent to prison. am i a little bit harsh and get this, a

baby with three parents now has been born . more than one, in been born. more than one, in fact. what do you make to this? is it just development in science or are we trying to play god a little bit too much? and should we try and settle this once and for all? culture wars, things like the whole trans rights and women's spaces and all that kind of stuff, does it matter for yes or no? rishi sunak says yes. keir starmer says no. what says you ? we're says no. what says you? we're going to get into all of that tonight, but before we do, let's bnng tonight, but before we do, let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest headlines . tonight's latest headlines. good evening. the top stories on gb good evening. the top stories on ea news— good evening. the top stories on gb news tonight,— good evening. the top stories on gb news tonight, jacob- c: " g the top stories on gb news tonight, jacob rees—mogg has criticised— gb news tonight, jacob rees—mogg has criticised the— gb news tonight, jacob rees—mogg has criticised the prime minister— has criticised the prime minister over- has criticised the prime minister over scrapping plans to remove thousands— minister over scrapping plans to remove thousands of european union— remove thousands of european union laws.— remove thousands of european union laws. the— remove thousands of european union laws. the former cabinet minister— union laws. the former cabinet ninisien says— union laws. the former cabinet minister says rishi sunak has snniiei— minister says rishi sunak has shredded his— minister says rishi sunak has shredded his own promise after he shredded his own promise after ne u—innnei— shredded his own promise after he u—turned on—

shredded his own promise after he u—turned on a— shredded his own promise after he u—turned on a pledge to eiininnie— he u—turned on a pledge to eliminate them— he u—turned on a pledge to eliminate them all by the end of the eliminate them all by the end of inn yen— eliminate them all by the end of inn yen .— eliminate them all by the end of the year. earlier,— eliminate them all by the end of the year. earlier, the business semiann— the year. earlier, the business secretary, kemi_ the year. earlier, the business secretary, kemi badenoch, said oniy— secretary, kemi badenoch, said oniy around— secretary, kemi badenoch, said only around 600— secretary, kemi badenoch, said only around 600 of the 4800 laws nonin— only around 600 of the 4800 laws nonii no— only around 600 of the 4800 laws nonii io— only around 600 of the 4800 laws would now be revoked under the noioinoi— would now be revoked under the noioinoi iii— would now be revoked under the retained eu law— would now be revoked under the retained eu law bill that's due, sno— retained eu law bill that's due, one soon,— retained eu law bill that's due, one soon io— retained eu law bill that's due, she says, to risks— retained eu law bill that's due, she says, to risks of legal nnoonioiniy. — she says, to risks of legal uncertainty. if— she says, to risks of legal uncertainty. if they were automatically- uncertainty. if they were automatically scrapped . well, automatically scrapped. well, ioioy— automatically scrapped. well, ioioy sin— automatically scrapped. well, today sir keir— automatically scrapped. well, today sir keir starmer has oniiioiooi— today sir keir starmer has criticised rishi— today sir keir starmer has criticised rishi sunak, saying he criticised rishi sunak, saying no no— criticised rishi sunak, saying no no ioneon— criticised rishi sunak, saying he no longer has a mandate to ino— he no longer has a mandate to run the country— he no longer has a mandate to run the country in— he no longer has a mandate to run the country in the first nine— run the country in the first prime minister's questions since the prime minister's questions since one ioooi— prime minister's questions since the local elections— prime minister's questions since the local elections in england. ino— the local elections in england. the conservative— the local elections in england. the conservative party lost connoi— the conservative party lost oonnoi oi— the conservative party lost control of 48— the conservative party lost control of 48 councils and more inan— control of 48 councils and more inon iooo— control of 48 councils and more than 1000 council— control of 48 councils and more than 1000 council seats , while than 1000 council seats, while ino— than 1000 council seats, while one ioionn— than 1000 council seats, while the labour party— than 1000 council seats, while the labour party gained more inan— the labour party gained more inon soo— the labour party gained more than 500. the— the labour party gained more than 500. the prime minister ioionioi— than 500. the prime minister defended the— than 500. the prime minister defended the result, saying a eononi— defended the result, saying a general election— defended the result, saying a general election holds far more significance.— general election holds far more significance. but— general election holds far more significance. but the labour iooion— significance. but the labour leader insisted— significance. but the labour leader insisted the prime iiinioion— leader insisted the prime minister has— leader insisted the prime minister has lost the confidence of minister has lost the confidence oi voion— minister has lost the confidence oi voiono un— minister has lost the confidence of voters up and— minister has lost the confidence of voters up and down the connin— of voters up and down the oonnin . — of voters up and down the country . last— of voters up and down the country . country. last year he lost a tory beauty contest to the member for south—west norfolk who then lost to a lettuce last

week . when he finally came into week. when he finally came into contact with voters as he lost everywhere . no matter who the everywhere. no matter who the electorate is , the prime electorate is, the prime minister keeps entering a two horse race and somehow finishing third. given his track record, who does he think he's actually got a mandate from? mr mr speaken got a mandate from? mr mr speaker, it's a bit rich- git» : , mr speaker, it's a bit rich to hear oioni— speaker, it's a bit rich to hear about mandates— speaker, it's a bit rich to hear about mandates from the person vino-o— about mandates from the person nno-o inokon— about mandates from the person who's broken every— about mandates from the person who's broken every single pnonioo. — who's broken every single pnonioo. no— who's broken every single promise. it; iii" promise. he was elected on. i mean, go through the list, mr speaker. nationalisation , the speaker. nationalisation, the ins,— speaker. nationalisation, the nhs, outsourcing,— nationalisation, the nhs, outsourcing, universal onoiii— nhs, outsourcing, universal onoiii oni— nhs, outsourcing, universal credit and now— nhs, outsourcing, universal credit and now tuition fees . he credit and now tuition fees. he iii— credit and now tuition fees. he was, mr speaker,— credit and now tuition fees. he was, mr speaker, he was for them all was, mr speaker, he was for them oii ioiono— was, mr speaker, he was for them oii ioiono no— was, mr speaker, he was for them all before he was— was, mr speaker, he was for them all before he was against them. no-o— all before he was against them. no-o noi— all before he was against them. no-o noi noo— all before he was against them. he's not he's not— all before he was against them. he's not he's not just a softie. no-o— he's not he's not just a softie. no-o ino— he's not he's not just a softie. no-o ino flaky— he's not he's not just a softie. he's the flaky to _ he's not he's not just a softie. he's the flaky to ._ he's not he's not just a softie. he's the flaky to . well he's the flaky to. well in other iono— he's the flaky to. well in other news today, the— he's the flaky to. well in other news today, the archbishop of conioninn— news today, the archbishop of canterbury has— news today, the archbishop of canterbury has condemned the govonnnon-oi— canterbury has condemned the government's illegal migration bill government's illegal migration iiii in— government's illegal migration iiii in o— government's illegal migration bill in a rare—

government's illegal migration bill in a rare intervention in ino— bill in a rare intervention in no nonoo— bill in a rare intervention in the house of— bill in a rare intervention in the house of lords . the house of lords. the controversial— the house of lords. the controversial legislation aims to detain and promptly remove migrants who arrive in the uk in small boats . it looks to limit small boats. it looks to limit the ability of the european court of human rights to prevent the deportation of asylum seekers. downing street says the bill is compassionate and fair for justin. welby says it treats migrants as invaders. it is a sign road bill, not a whole of government bill. it does not draw in conflict— g a it does not draw in conflict management and nnovoniion— draw in conflict management and prevention, which— draw in conflict management and prevention, which drives nigniion— prevention, which drives migration. it— prevention, which drives migration. it does not draw in oiinoio— migration. it does not draw in climate impacts— migration. it does not draw in climate impacts which drive nienoiion— climate impacts which drive migration and— climate impacts which drive migration and conflict. it is isolationist— migration and conflict. it is isolationist ._ migration and conflict. it is isolationist. it— migration and conflict. it is isolationist. it is morally unacceptable— isolationist. it is morally unacceptable and politically inoonooi— unacceptable and politically inoonooi .— unacceptable and politically incorrect . michael well, the incorrect. michael well, the ioo— incorrect. michael well, the former trade _ incorrect. michael well, the former trade secretary, lord ioion— former trade secretary, lord ioion iiiioo— former trade secretary, lord peter lilley, has— former trade secretary, lord peter lilley, has told gb news the peter lilley, has told gb news ino nonoo— peter lilley, has told gb news ino nonoo oi— peter lilley, has told gb news the house of lords has no option but the house of lords has no option ini io— the house of lords has no option ini io noos— the house of lords has no option in io pooo ino— the house of lords has no option but to pass the bill. e ce but to pass the bill. it will invo— but to pass the bill. it will have n— but to pass the bill. it will have a tough time, but it will get through because if the lords

were to stop the measures to stop the boat people, that would be the end of the house of lords. then it would commit suicide. the public wouldn't stand that and you can watch the full exclusive interview with lord peter lilley at 6:00 on sunday on gloria meets right here on gb news. now interest noioo— here on gb news. now interest rates are expected— here on gb news. now interest rates are expected to- “611i: iii" [15 \. now interest rates are expected to rise again onio— rates are expected to rise again inio nook— rates are expected to rise again inio nook oo— rates are expected to rise again this week as inflation remains nign— this week as inflation remains high ,— this week as inflation remains high , according— this week as inflation remains high , according to economists , high, according to economists, onions— high, according to economists, experts believe _ high, according to economists, experts believe the base rate niii— experts believe the base rate niii io— experts believe the base rate niii by— experts believe the base rate will rise by 0.25% to 4.5. that nonii— will rise by 0.25% to 4.5. that nonii io— will rise by 0.25% to 4.5. that nonii io ino— will rise by 0.25% to 4.5. that would be the 12th— will rise by 0.25% to 4.5. that would be the 12th consecutive oioo— would be the 12th consecutive by— would be the 12th consecutive by ino— would be the 12th consecutive raise by the central bank. and noni— raise by the central bank. and mark ino— raise by the central bank. and mark the highest— raise by the central bank. and mark the highest level since zoos. — mark the highest level since zoos. any— mark the highest level since 2008. any rise— mark the highest level since 2008. any rise is expected to mono— 2008. any rise is expected to noko ioono— 2008. any rise is expected to make loans and— 2008. any rise is expected to make loans and mortgage rates more expensive . members of the more expensive. members of the ionic— more expensive. members of the iniiio oni— more expensive. members of the public and commercial services union— public and commercial services union novo— public and commercial services union have voted— public and commercial services union have voted to renew their nonioio— union have voted to renew their nonioio io— union have voted to renew their mandate to keep— union have voted to renew their mandate to keep taking industrial— mandate to keep taking industrial action for the next six nonino. — industrial action for the next six months. the— industrial action for the next six months. the decision comes as oinon— six months. the decision comes as oinon civi— six months. the decision comes as other civil servants noionging— as other civil servants belonging to- as other civil servants belonging to the prospect union ioeon— belonging to the prospect union ioeon on— belonging to the prospect union ioeon on o— belonging to the prospect union noon on o non— belonging to the prospect union began an a new walkout in their

iono— began an a new walkout in their iong running— began an a new walkout in their long running dispute over pay iono— long running dispute over pay ioio oni— long running dispute over pay jobs and redundancy terms. this ioiiono— jobs and redundancy terms. this ioiiono ino— jobs and redundancy terms. this follows the government's 4.5% pav— follows the government's 4.5% pay io— follows the government's 4.5% pay oiion— follows the government's 4.5% pay rise offer which the union oni— pay rise offer which the union ooii nonii— pay rise offer which the union said would further erode living oionionio— said would further erode living oionionio .— said would further erode living standards . the— said would further erode living standards . the publisher of standards. the publisher of minor— standards. the publisher of minor ino— standards. the publisher of mirror the mirror newspaper has nnnooonoiiy— mirror the mirror newspaper has unreservedly apologised to the onio— unreservedly apologised to the ionio oi— unreservedly apologised to the duke of sussex— unreservedly apologised to the duke of sussex for unlawful information— duke of sussex for unlawful information gathering at the soon— information gathering at the oion oi— information gathering at the oion oi o— information gathering at the start of a high— information gathering at the start of a high court trial over oiiogoi— start of a high court trial over oiiogoo onono— start of a high court trial over alleged phone hacking. mirror group— alleged phone hacking. mirror group newspapers admitted that ininoo— group newspapers admitted that iiinoo nanny-o— group newspapers admitted that prince harry's legal challenge nononioi— prince harry's legal challenge warranted compensation . the warranted compensation. the ioiioii— warranted compensation. the tabloid newspaper also promised the behaviour— tabloid newspaper also promised the behaviour would never be nonooioi— the behaviour would never be nooooioi on— the behaviour would never be repeated or other— the behaviour would never be repeated or other high profile oioinonio— repeated or other high profile claimants involved in the trial inoinio— claimants involved in the trial include former— claimants involved in the trial include former girls aloud. sineon— include former girls aloud. singon cheryl— include former girls aloud. singon cheryl .— include former girls aloud. singer cheryl . the estate of singer cheryl. the estate of oooneo— singer cheryl. the estate of george michael— singer cheryl. the estate of george michael and the footballer— george michael and the footballer ian- george michael and the footballer ian wright . and footballer ian wright. and iooiio— footballer ian wright. and iooiiy, ino— footballer ian wright. and lastly, the republican congressman george santos has noon— congressman george santos has ioon nioooi— congressman george santos has noon pioooi in— congressman george santos has been placed in us— congressman george santos has been placed in us custody after ioine— been placed in us custody after being onongoi— been placed in us custody after being charged with fraud and nonoy— being charged with fraud and money laundering. the justice ooponnoni— money laundering. the justice department says— money laundering. the justice department says the 34 year old nood— department says the 34 year old nooo campaign— department says the 34 year old used campaign funds to purchase iooienon— used campaign funds to purchase designer clothes— used campaign funds to purchase designer clothes and pay off

oonoonoi— designer clothes and pay off personal debt— designer clothes and pay off personal debt ._ designer clothes and pay off personal debt . mr santos also personal debt. mr santos also oiiogoiiy— personal debt. mr santos also allegedly applied for unemployment money while being employed— unemployment money while being employed oni— unemployment money while being employed and running for condos— employed and running for congnooo .— employed and running for congress . he's- employed and running for congress . he's expected to congress. he's expected to oppon— congress. he's expected to appear in— congress. he's expected to appear in court— congress. he's expected to appear in court in new york inor— appear in court in new york ioion ioioy. — appear in court in new york later today. we'll be watching inn— later today. we'll be watching no son— later today. we'll be watching inoi oion ion— later today. we'll be watching that story for you _ later today. we'll be watching that story for you as well. non-no— that story for you as well. non-no no— that story for you as well. non-no no io— that story for you as well. you're up to date on tv online noii — you're up to date on tv online noii noiio— you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and— you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and the tune in app. inio— dab+ radio and the tune in app. inio io— dab+ radio and the tune in app. inio is on— dab+ radio and the tune in app. this is gb news.— dab+ radio and the tune in app. this is gb news. britain's news . cnonnoi— . channel i thanksl . channel thanks for that, polly. well, i'm and i'm i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping 7:00 keeping you company till 7:00 tonight this tonight alongside me this evening. is evening. martin daubney is a journalist and former brexit party mep , and aaron bastani is party mep, and aaron bastani is the of novara media. the founder of novara media. good evening, gentlemen . hi. good evening, gentlemen. hi. welcome to you at home, too. you know the drill, don't you? it's not just about here. not just about us three here. it's about you at home it's very much about you at home as what's your mind as well. what's on your mind tonight? you can get in touch. gb views news. .uk, as gb views at gb news. .uk, as usual, is the email. or you can tweet at gb views news. now, tweet me at gb views news. now,

when to brexit, there's when it comes to brexit, there's lots talk. isn't there, about lots of talk. isn't there, about red tape and all the rest of it and brexit freedoms and brexit benefits the of it. benefits and all the rest of it. the debate rumbles and on. the debate rumbles on and on. one of areas now under the one of the areas now under the microscope is the so—called working time directive. you might be familiar with. this basically restricts the amount of hours many of us can work unless, of course, you opt out . unless, of course, you opt out. well, the government is basically looking at getting rid of that and they're saying it's going to save businesses about £1 billion a year. it's going to capitalise on all of these kind of freedoms and brexit freedoms and rest of it. many and all the rest of it. but many people on the flip side of the argument are saying, well, that's tiger, i see you're that's tiger, i see what you're doing here. you're gradually inch rowing back on inch by inch rowing back on workers . aaron what says workers rights. aaron what says you ? i am going to say that we you? i am going to say that we ononiin-i— you? i am going to say that we ononiin-i goi— you? i am going to say that we shouldn't get rid— you? i am going to say that we shouldn't get rid of— 7 i am going to say that we shouldn't get rid of the working ino— shouldn't get rid of the working time directive.— shouldn't get rid of the working time directive. there are lots of time directive. there are lots oi oni— time directive. there are lots oi ooi onio— time directive. there are lots oi ooi onio. ii— time directive. there are lots of opt outs. if you want an opt oni— of opt outs. if you want an opt oni oo— of opt outs. if you want an opt oni as on— of opt outs. if you want an opt out as an employee, you can opt oun— out as an employee, you can opt oni. in— out as an employee, you can opt oni. in on— out as an employee, you can opt out. i'm very sympathetic to the iioo— out. i'm very sympathetic to the iioo inoi— out. i'm very sympathetic to the iioo no i— out. i'm very sympathetic to the iioo inoi ii o— out. i'm very sympathetic to the idea that if a work— out. i'm very sympathetic to the idea that if a work or an individual— idea that if a work or an individual wants to work more ,

individual wants to work more, inoy— individual wants to work more, no on— individual wants to work more, they can. that's— individual wants to work more, they can. that's actually oonoinine— they can. that's actually something you can already do niinin— something you can already do niinin ino— something you can already do within the existing legislation . an— within the existing legislation . an ii— within the existing legislation . an it doesn't— within the existing legislation . an it doesn't apply to senior iinooion— . an it doesn't apply to senior director roles.— . an it doesn't apply to senior director roles. it— . an it doesn't apply to senior director roles. it doesn't apply to director roles. it doesn't apply io poooio— director roles. it doesn't apply io people wno— director roles. it doesn't apply to people who are self—employed. it to people who are self—employed. ii iooon-i— to people who are self—employed. ii oooon-i oppo— to people who are self—employed. ii oooon-i apply io— to people who are self—employed. it doesn't apply to people who are it doesn't apply to people who ono—ininoin.- it doesn't apply to people who are—industry. with. it doesn't apply to people who are industry. with 24 are working in industry. with 24 noon— are working in industry. with 24 noon oioiiine— are working in industry. with 24 hour staffing necessities . it hour staffing necessities. it iooon-i— hour staffing necessities. it oooon-i oppo— hour staffing necessities. it doesn't apply to emergency nonn— doesn't apply to emergency workers as so— doesn't apply to emergency workers as so it— doesn't apply to emergency workers as so it will frustrate a workers as so it will frustrate oiiny— workers as so it will frustrate a tiny subsection— workers as so it will frustrate a tiny subsection of the ponnioiion— a tiny subsection of the population and like i say, if inn-o— population and like i say, if inoi-o o— population and like i say, if that's a major— population and like i say, if that's a major issue for them, inoy— that's a major issue for them, no on— that's a major issue for them, they can apply— that's a major issue for them, they can apply for an opt out. so they can apply for an opt out. so iook— they can apply for an opt out. so iook .— they can apply for an opt out. so iook , in— they can apply for an opt out. so look , i'm not— they can apply for an opt out. so look , i'm not fussed. it's so look, i'm not fussed. it's noi— so look, i'm not fussed. it's noi ino— so look, i'm not fussed. it's not the hill— so look, i'm not fussed. it's not the hill i— so look, i'm not fussed. it's not the hill i want to die on, ini— not the hill i want to die on, but fundamentally i don't think it's but fundamentally i don't think in o— but fundamentally i don't think it's a massive— but fundamentally i don't think it's a massive issue, although i ononii— it's a massive issue, although i ononii soy— it's a massive issue, although i ononii on n— it's a massive issue, although i should say as somebody on the ion— should say as somebody on the left, - preference _ should say as somebody on the left,-preference for- left, my preference for ioioniine— left, my preference for defending workers is defending workers rights is oooioni— defending workers rights is sectoral bargaining and sectoral wage bargaining and into— sectoral wage bargaining and trade unions.— sectoral wage bargaining and trade unions. i'm not a huge fan of trade unions. i'm not a huge fan oi ino— trade unions. i'm not a huge fan oi ino onio— trade unions. i'm not a huge fan of the state saying— trade unions. i'm not a huge fan of the state saying from above nnoi— of the state saying from above no you— of the state saying from above not you on— of the state saying from above what you can and— of the state saying from above what you can and can't do, but i inni— what you can and can't do, but i inink ino— what you can and can't do, but i think the extent— what you can and can't do, but i think the extent of— what you can and can't do, but i think the extent of this legislation— think the extent of this legislation and how much it innoon— legislation and how much it inpoon ooopio— legislation and how much it impacts people on an everyday inn— impacts people on an everyday inn i— impacts people on an everyday basis, i think— impacts people on an everyday basis, i think that's often overstated— basis, i think that's often overstated for— basis, i think that's often overstated for political reasons. and - overstated for political reasons. and do you think , reasons. and do you think, spooning— reasons. and do you think, spooning oi— reasons. and do you think, speaking of those political reasons, do— speaking of those political reasons, do you think people are none— reasons, do you think people are being-quick— reasons, do you think people are being-quick now? 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ii ioon iiio— being too quick now? it's to me it feels like anything and everything. certain everything. there are certain segments just segments of society that just don't like brexit and they don't like the tories. so whatever it is, it becomes less about the is, if it becomes less about the issues of today, this particular directive about directive are more just about another stick, basically to beat brexit on the head with is that fair or . i brexit on the head with is that fair or. i think i think that's ion.— fair or. i think i think that's fair. there's— fair or. i think i think that's fair. there's a— fair or. i think i think that's fair. there's a lack- ” i think i think that's fair. there's a lack of nuance. i fair. there's a lack of nuance. i inni— fair. there's a lack of nuance. i think generally— fair. there's a lack of nuance. i think generally in these kinds of i think generally in these kinds oi ioioioo— i think generally in these kinds of debates that— i think generally in these kinds of debates that applies both the left of debates that applies both the ioii oni— of debates that applies both the ioii ant-nonn— of debates that applies both the left and .right. you - of debates that applies both the left and right. you know, left and the right. you know, i non-i— left and the right. you know, i won't name names. there's a oonoin— won't name names. there's a oonoin snook— won't name names. there's a certain shock-on- won't name names. there's a certain shock on talk certain shock jock on a talk notio— certain shock jock on a talk radio—country radio station in this country nio— radio station in this country nno-ooinoiiy- radio station in this country who actually just radio station in this country. who-actually just as who i think is actually just as iono— who i think is actually just as ioxio n— who i think is actually just as ioxio n on— who i think is actually just as toxic as any any— who i think is actually just as toxic as any any right wing tonnnoini. — toxic as any any right wing journalist. nana- toxic as any any right wing journalist. \ toxic as any any right wing journalist. of"? journalist. nana who you mean because follow you on twitter, because i follow you on twitter, i won't won't say their names. i won't i won't say their names. so i'm not in the business of noiniine— so i'm not in the business of pointing-ini- so i'm not in the business of pointing-butldo- so i'm not in the business of pointing but do think pointing fingers, but i do think inono-o— pointing fingers, but i do think there's-nuance— pointing fingers, but i do think there's nuance stuff pointing fingers, but i do think therthis. nuance stuff pointing fingers, but i do think therthis.andjance stuff pointing fingers, but i do think therthis. and iince stuff pointing fingers, but i do think therthis. and i do; stuff pointing fingers, but i do think therthis. and i do think, jff pointing fingers, but i do think therthis. and i do think, you like this. and i do think, you know,— like this. and i do think, you know-inn— like this. and i do think, you know,-this press- like this. and i do think, you know, this press release, know, with this press release, ino— know, with this press release, the government— know, with this press release, the government saying the government is saying it count— the government is saying it could unlock— the government is saying it could unlock productivity. well, ioon— look, this legislation is oinooiy— look, this legislation is oinoooy in— look, this legislation is already in place. enforced already in place. it's enforced in-ino— already in place. it's enforced in the netherlands , in france, the netherlands, genny,— in france, the netherlands, germany, -have. in france, the netherlands, germany, have high germany, and they have high iovon— germany, and they have high levels—than. germany, and they have highi levels—than we germany, and they have highi lev

it's exactly what people voted to it's exactly what people voted io goi— it's exactly what people voted io eoi iii— it's exactly what people voted to got no oi— it's exactly what people voted to get rid of in— it's exactly what people voted to get rid of in 2016, take back connoi— to get rid of in 2016, take back ooninoi oi— to get rid of in 2016, take back control of our— to get rid of in 2016, take back control of our borders, of our nonoy— control of our borders, of our nonoy oni— control of our borders, of our nonoy and our— control of our borders, of our money and our laws. you know, ino— money and our laws. you know, no ioni— money and our laws. you know, no iooi inni— money and our laws. you know, the fact that strasbourg or innoon— the fact that strasbourg or brussels has— the fact that strasbourg or brussels has a— the fact that strasbourg or brussels has a single scintilla of brussels has a single scintilla oi connoi— brussels has a single scintilla of control of— brussels has a single scintilla of control of how— brussels has a single scintilla of control of how we work , how of control of how we work, how we of control of how we work, how no nnio — of control of how we work, how we rule our country— of control of how we work, how we rule our country is astonishing. - we rule our country is astonishing. all these years ioion— astonishing. all these years ioion oni— astonishing. all these years later and today— astonishing. all these years later and today we've seen onoinon— later and today we've seen another massive - later and today we've seen another massive u—turn from the conoonoiino— another massive u—turn from the conservative party.— another massive u—turn from the conservative party. i— another massive u—turn from the conservative party. i just don't know— conservative party. i just don't know nnoi— conservative party. i just don't know what the _ conservative party. i just don't know what the tories stand for anmoye- non.— know what the tories stand for anymore. now. they said they going— anymore. now. they said they going io— anymore. now. they said they were going to scrap their ii—inn. — were going to scrap their u—turn. are— were going to scrap their u—turn. ' ”it; iii" were going to scrap their- u—turn. are you on about. they had 4000 things. they were had these 4000 things. they were going get rid of them all and going to get rid of them all and it rolled back to about 800. then rolled down again. the then it rolled down again. the retained eu law bill- “if“ e d " the retained eu law bill which zit““ e d “ the retained eu law bill which was noni— retained eu law bill which was oioni ino— retained eu law bill which was about the bonfire— retained eu law bill which was about the bonfire of red tape inni— that we were promised by noon—nogg— that we were promised by rees—mogg erg, by the brexiteers, _ rees—mogg erg, by the brexiteers, by- rees—mogg erg, by the brexiteers, by the european iooooonn— brexiteers, by the european research _we've| brexiteers, by the european- research _we've seen research group, and we've seen a ii—inn— research group, and we've seen a ii—inn-oni— research group, and we've seen a ii—inn-oni-ii-o- research group, and we've seen a u—turn and it's going u—turn today and now it's going to u—turn today and now it's going io-ion— u—turn today and now it's going io-ion n— u—turn today and now it's going io-ion n 600. — u—turn today and now it's going to _few as 600. and- u—turn today and now it's going to few as 600. and all to be as few as 600. and all inooo— to be as few as 600. and all inooo noon— to be as few as 600. and all these years later— to be as few as 600. and all these years later here we are oiiii— these years later here we are still-strasbourg - these years later here we are still strasbourg tied still tied to strasbourg, tied to brussels,— still tied to strasbourg, tied to brussels, and— still tied to strasbourg, tied to brussels, and as far as law goes.— to brussels, and as far as law goon-noon— to brussels, and as far as law goes, about supremacy of goes, it's about supremacy of ion. — goes, it's about supremacy of ion. .oi— goes, it's about supremacy of ion. .oi ino— goes, it's about supremacy of law. .of the very,- goes, it's about supremacy of law. of the very, very early law. one of the very, very early battlefronts_ law. one of the very, very early battlefronts of _ law. one of the very, very early battlefronts of brexit before the battlefronts of brexit before ino—ooinoiini battlefronts of brexit before. the _ actually albie the referendum actually albie nos-noon— the referendum actually albie was-truck drivers- the referendum actually albie was truck drivers who was polish truck drivers who were allowed _ was polish truck drivers who were allowed to— was polish truck drivers who were allowed to work ipsis of

nonn— were allowed to work ipsis of nonn noon— were allowed to work ipsis of hours, much more— were allowed to work ipsis of hours, much more than british noon— hours, much more than british truck drivers— hours, much more than british truck drivers because polish iono— truck drivers because polish laws allowed _ truck drivers because polish laws allowed them to sleep in non— laws allowed them to sleep in non ooiino— laws allowed them to sleep in their cabins to— laws allowed them to sleep in their cabins to work longer nonn— their cabins to work longer hours, whereas— their cabins to work longer hours, whereas british truck innon— hours, whereas british truck innon nno — hours, whereas british truck drivers who contacted me since zon— drivers who contacted me since oon, ioiono— drivers who contacted me since 2015, before the— drivers who contacted me since 2015, before the referendum saying— 2015, before the referendum saying _unfair, i saying it's unfair, unfair, noonioiino— saying it's unfair, unfair, restrictive work in practise. ini— restrictive work in practise. in noinn— restrictive work in practise. but polish law— restrictive work in practise. but polish law reigns supreme, nonon— but polish law reigns supreme, nonononnio— but polish law reigns supreme, whereas-are still- but polish law reigns supreme, whereas are still now tied to whereas we are still now tied to noon— whereas we are still now tied to inonoon ion.— whereas we are still now tied to european in i— whereas we are still now tied to european law. i agree people a lot european law. i agree people a ioi oi— european law. i agree people a ioi oi poonio— european law. i agree people a ioi oi people i— european law. i agree people a lot of people i meet, especially ioni— lot of people i meet, especially ioxi innon— lot of people i meet, especially taxi drivers, people who work in warehouses, they— taxi drivers, people who work in warehouses, they want to work -inon— warehouses, they want to work non-inon-io- warehouses, they want to workj more _they _to work more hours, they need to work more hours. they're struggling more hours, they need to work more hcost they're struggling more hours, they need to work more hcost ofiey're struggling more hours, they need to work more hcost of living;truggling more hours, they need to work more hcost of living and gling more hours, they need to work more hcost of living and they for the cost of living and they oni— for the cost of living and they ooi oni. — for the cost of living and they can opt out. yeah,— for the cost of living and they can opt out. yeah, they can opt oni— can opt out. yeah, they can opt out ini— can opt out. yeah, they can opt on. in i— can opt out. yeah, they can opt out. but i think— can opt out. yeah, they can opt out. but i think this this isn't noni— out. but i think this this isn't oioni oo— out. but i think this this isn't about more unions. it's about ion—connoil about more unions. it's about. less—control and less european union control and non— less european union control and non-nou— less european union control and how-hell michelle- less european union control and how hell michelle still how the hell michelle was still inning— how the hell michelle was still having conversation all having this conversation all inooo— having this conversation all inooo noon— having this conversation all these years after brexit. well, why— these years after brexit. well, nit—ioiioio i these years after brexit. well,- why—belief? wnn why are we beggars belief? why do why are we beggars belief? why io-inini— why are we beggars belief? why io-ininn no— why are we beggars belief? why do-think we are— why are we beggars belief? why do think we are then? why do do you think we are then? why do you that things are not you think that things are not moving at pace that moving along at a pace that would you happier here would make you happier here because the conservatives aren't conservative. they've they've onnononoii— conservative. they've they'vei surrendered _and surrendered on brexit time and ino— surrendered on brexit time and iino-innine- surrendered on brexit time and time _fishing or- surrendered on brexit time and time fishing or on time again on fishing or on nonnonn— time again on fishing or on northern ireland, now on workers nenn — northern ireland, now on workers nenn ion— northern ireland, now on workers nonn. ii-s noi— northern ireland, now on workers rights. e f rights. it's not conservative people the people voted brexit across the political spectrum . so when you political spectrum. so when you say conservative, not

conservative, that's not really. not conservatives are not all conservatives are brexiteers vice versa . i'm brexiteers and vice versa. i'm not conservative. you e’i: . itii; i'm not conservative. you know, i'm a not conservative. you know, i'm o propon— not conservative. you know, i'm a proper brexiteer,_ not conservative. you know, i'm a proper brexiteer, but i'm not a proper brexiteer, but i'm not o oonoonoiino. — a proper brexiteer, but i'm not a conservative. i— a proper brexiteer, but i'm not a conservative. i voted conservative- a conservative. i voted conservative once in 2017. notion— conservative once in 2017. notion ii— conservative once in 2017. regret it till— conservative once in 2017. regret it till my dying day. inon-no— regret it till my dying day. they've betrayed us on brexit. tinni— they've betrayed us on brexit. onion in— they've betrayed us on brexit. no in saving— they've betrayed us on brexit. what i'm saying is they're the party— what i'm saying is they're the pony—ino- what i'm saying is they're thei party—the party party in rule. they're the party in nono— party in rule. they're the party in power whose— party in rule. they're the party in power whose job to get in power whose job it was to get noni— in power whose job it was to get nnoxii-inon— in power whose job it was to get brexit-they failed - in power whose job it was to get brexit-they failed .- in power whose job it was to get brexit they failed . this brexit done. they failed. this is brexit done. they failed. this in ino— brexit done. they failed. this in no iinoi— brexit done. they failed. this is the final failure. but why inon-no— is the final failure. but why- they're—decimated they're going to get decimated in-wnni— they're going to get decimated in _what would - they're going to get decimated in-what would be- they're going to get decimated in _what would be in. they're going to get decimatedi in _what would be in the in that. what would be in the tories deliberately dragging their feet, creating, you know , their feet, creating, you know, stalling here, there and everywhere they know that this country voted brexit. they know that perhaps their opportunity for depends on that. for re—election depends on that. so they to follow your so why would they to follow your train of logic. there why would they try to hinder they deliberately try to hinder they deliberately try to hinder the process? there's two reasons. either- f7 there's two reasons. either they've lied or inon-no— reasons. either they've lied or they've realised _ reasons. either they've lied or they've realised they can't do it. they've realised they can't do in so— they've realised they can't do in so-noio— they've realised they can't do it. so made they've, it. so they made they've, inon-no— it. so they made they've, they've written - it. so they made they've, they've written a they they've written a check. they oon-i— they've written a check. they cont-on— they've written a check. they oon-i-on oni— they've written a check. they can't or and here's the can't cash or and here's the noni— can't cash or and here's the nooi noini— can't cash or and here's the real point that— can't cash or and here's the real point that there are two conservative _ real point that there are two conservative parties within the ion— conservative parties within the ion nonn- — conservative parties within the tory party. there's the wets, ino— tory party. there's the wets, ino iii— tory party. there's the wets, the lib dems,_ tory party. there's the wets, the lib dems, the shire tories , the lib dems, the shire tories, oni— the lib dems, the shire tories, oni inono-o— the lib dems, the shire tories, and there's the _ the lib dems, the shire tories, and there's the red wall. what's going— and there's the red wall. what's going io— and there's the red wall. what's going to happen— and there's the red wall. what's going to happen in that general

oiooiiono— going to happen in that general election? they'll— going to happen in that general election? they'll get wiped out oni— election? they'll get wiped out and non— election? they'll get wiped out and non noon— election? they'll get wiped out and they need to— election? they'll get wiped out and they need to have forest and they need to have a forest ino— and they need to have a forest iino-oion— and they need to have a forest fire-start again.- and they need to have a forest fire start again. this is an fire and start again. this is an example— fire and start again. this is an example oi— fire and start again. this is an example oi nnn— fire and start again. this is an example of why the conservative ooni— example of why the conservative noion-ion-i— example of why the conservative voters- don't think - example of why the conservative voters don't think the voters just don't think the conservatives— conservatives are conservative- onnnono -n-inoio anymore. you made a noise there , through that, , and halfway through that, i would describe would try and describe a replicate noise. what replicate the noise. but what was about? why the noise was that about? why the noise was that about? why the noise was this? it might have been a bit wind, actually. i think bit of wind, actually. i think i think it was responding to one of points that he chuckled of the points that he chuckled at something the wets. at something about the wets. yeah. the wets. and you yeah. no, the wets. and you know,— yeah. no, the wets. and you non-on— yeah. no, the wets. and you know,-an-term,- yeah. no, the wets. and you know, an term, but it know, it's an old term, but it inono-o— know, it's an old term, but it there's something really innononi— there's something reallyj important—is there's something really. important—is to there's something really- important_is to say important here, which is to say inni— important here, which is to say no in— important here, which is to say that in-country,_ important here, which is to say that in country, because of that in this country, because of iini— that in this country, because of inn-noon— that in this country, because of iini-nooi, no- that in this country, because of first-post, we have. that in this country, because of first post, we have two first past the post, we have two non—oi— first past the post, we have two non—oi oni- first past the post, we have two very—at and withinj very large parties at and within non,— very large parties at and within inon-oongooi— very large parties at and withini them,-congeal-who them, they congeal people who inognoo—non- them, they congeal people who disagree—now thej disagree on. so much. now the oon— disagree on. so much. now the oon-ino— disagree on. so much. now the sort-the spotlight- disagree on. so much. now the sort the spotlight has been sort of the spotlight has been on ino— sort of the spotlight has been on the labour— sort of the spotlight has been on the labour-in- sort of the spotlight has been on the labour in the last on the labour party in the last ioooio. — on the labour party in the last ioooio. on— on the labour party in the last decade. oh, they— on the labour party in the last decade. oh, they can't get oiong. — decade. oh, they can't geti along. _because along. and it's not because inon-no— along. and it's not because inon-no-non— along. and it's not because they're you know , you know, they're all, you know, you know, singin— they're all, you know, you know, oinnii oni— they're all, you know, you know, stupid and self—defeating and self—destructive. _ self—destructive. many of them -nonnon ioni— self—destructive. many of them are,-way. but it's- self—destructive. many of them are, way. but it's also are, by the way. but it's also an are, by the way. but it's also on onignonin— are, by the way. but it's also an outgrowth how our an outgrowth of how our oiooioni— an outgrowth of how our electoral system works how electoral system works and how it electoral system works and how ii-iogoinon— electoral system works and how it-together people - electoral system works and how it together people who it pushes together people who oinonnno — it pushes together people who otherwise disagree on really big issues.-case.point- otherwise disagree on really big issues. case point is issues. and a case in point is ino—on- issues. and a case in point is the—on brexit.i issues. and a case in point is. the—on brexit. you the conservatives on brexit. you know,— the conservatives on brexit. you knon non— the conservatives on brexit. you know, you ino— the conservatives on brexit. you know, you have you've had this cooiiiion— know, you have you've had this coalition for— know, you have you've had this

coalition for decades between nin— coalition for decades between niin inoo — coalition for decades between ultra free marketeers , social ultra free marketeers, social iiionn— ultra free marketeers, social liberals, people _ ultra free marketeers, social liberals, people that want to iono— liberals, people that want to iono ino — liberals, people that want to leave the european union, small ininooo— leave the european union, small business owners,— leave the european union, small business owners, ultra large ininooo. — business owners, ultra large ininooo. non— business owners, ultra large business. you know, people that ino— business. you know, people that no ino— business. you know, people that no no coi— business. you know, people that hate the cbi, people that think the hate the cbi, people that think ino-n— hate the cbi, people that think ino-n-giin- hate the cbi, people that think the-is-gift, the- the cbi is god's gift, the confederation— the cbi is god's gift, the confederation british confederation of british nonin— confederation of british industry. think what industry. and i think what we're inning— industry. and i think what we're talking crystallises talking about here crystallises all talking about here crystallises oii oi— talking about here crystallises oii oi inn— talking about here crystallises all of that cbi.— talking about here crystallises all of that cbi. _ talking about here crystallises all of that cbi. i— talking about here crystallises all of that cbi. i think that's yesterday's news. now, i don't think any coming think there's any coming back. those patrice to those guys shamed patrice to says, totally convinced that says, i'm totally convinced that the uk is still secretly within the uk is still secretly within the eu . john says, you know, the eu. john says, you know, basically this is a silly priority. all of this has worked for years, so why change it? but then would you reply that that kind of sentiment to other things, then you could argue that actually lots of this stuff has changed it's for has changed as well. it's for years, so why rid any of years, so why get rid of any of it? point, a very valid it? martin's point, a very valid one, me, is literally one, if you ask me, is literally people voted for sovereignty , people voted for sovereignty, for to start and end , if for power to start and end, if you like, with uk parliament. so why then would you get rid of anything if your sentiment if you expand it there, john, and say that it was all working? michel not me, says well said

martin, i voted leave and this lot of tories have done nothing at all to get us a real brexit. she says she wouldn't vote for the tories again, and she believes there millions believes that there are millions like her late and says why not work 12 hours a day? then giving 24 hour cover but work a month on and a month off. one of the things that i find interesting about working patterns a few of my family members are shift workers and a few of them have got children and i find it quite astonishing the way that various organisations seem to the amount of notice they seem to give on their shift patterns . and i sit their shift patterns. and i sit there and i think how does some employers expect their employees to be able to manage things like child care and all the rest of it when their shift patterns seem to be changing such seem to be changing with such frequency? yeah. and i'm not sure is because sure how right that is because i am capitalist. i am favour am a capitalist. i am in favour of business all the rest of of business and all the rest of it, but sometimes i see the it, but sometimes when i see the struggle that have struggle that people have to manage care and shifts, manage child care and shifts, i do. part of me thinks that that isn't am i missing isn't right. am i missing something i just think it's

something? no. i just think it's noni— something? no. i just think it's about freedom _ something? no. i just think it's about freedom and— “q7 no. i just think it's about freedom and freedom of pinion— about freedom and freedom of practise. freedom _ about freedom and freedom of practise. freedom of work and i do practise. freedom of work and i to non.— practise. freedom of work and i to non i— practise. freedom of work and i to non i know— practise. freedom of work and i do worry. i know we disagree on unions because every time inono-o— unions because every time inono-o o— unions because every time there's a power— unions because every time there's a power grab for more nnionnnion— there's a power grab for more nnionnnion .— there's a power grab for more unionisation , it's— there's a power grab for more unionisation , it's actually, unionisation, it's actually, i ininn— unionisation, it's actually, i ininn oo— unionisation, it's actually, i think, more of— unionisation, it's actually, i think, more of a- unionisation, it's actually, i think, more of a political land gni. — think, more of a political land gni. ani— think, more of a political land gni. and i— think, more of a political land grab. and i think— think, more of a political land grab. and i think people are goiiing— grab. and i think people are goiiing o— grab. and i think people are goiiing o iii— grab. and i think people are getting a bit sick of strike oniino. — getting a bit sick of strike culture. we've _ getting a bit sick of strike culture. we've had it for months ani— culture. we've had it for months ann oi— culture. we've had it for months now. and of course— culture. we've had it for months now. and of course the left will anno— now. and of course the left will oinno noni— now. and of course the left will always hold back— now. and of course the left will always hold back the answer is more unions, but— always hold back the answer is more unions, but the is more unions, but the answer is noon-non- more unions, but the answer is more-unions are- more unions, but the answer is more-unions are a. more unions, but the answer is- more-unions are a means more unions. unions are a means to an end, aren't they? for instance, with junior instance, with with junior doctors, want a pay rise doctors, they want a pay rise and the union is a means an and the union is a means to an end. people join unions end. so people don't join unions because unions is cool. because joining unions is cool. i'm sure there's a small fraction of people do, but fraction of people that do, but ultimately not really ultimately it's not really a left i meet left right. i meet many conservative. many conservative. i have met many conservative. i have met many conservative voters who are in trade unions and they say does a great job for me. yeah but it's become a political battle. i mean, to admit the mean, you have to admit that the oooniinnoi— mean, you have to admit that the coordinated strike— mean, you have to admit that the coordinated strike activity of onion— coordinated strike activity of onion n— coordinated strike activity of teachers is of— coordinated strike activity of teachers is of doctors, of nnnoo-ii-o- teachers is of doctors, of- nurses,-it's designed nurses, of trains. it's designed to nurses, of trains. it's designed ionnni-nnn— nurses, of trains. it's designed. to-maximum-wish to inflict maximum pain. i wish it-government._ to inflict maximum pain. i wish it-government. i- to inflict maximum pain. i wish it government. i mean, a it was government. i mean, in a non— it was government. i mean, in a non i— it was government. i mean, in a non i nni— it was government. i mean, in a non i win ii— it was government. i mean, in a non i win ii nn— it was government. i mean, in a way, i wish it was coordinated ioonoo— way, i wish it was coordinated because then _ way, i wish it was coordinated because then it— way, i wish it was coordinated because then it would come to a noooiniion— because then it would come to a

nonunion-nn— because then it would come to a resolution .way or— because then it would come to a resolution way or the other. resolution one way or the other. in— resolution one way or the other. inn-on.— resolution one way or the other. inn-on vou— resolution one way or the other. but-on, you can't- resolution one way or the other. but-on, you can't deny- resolution one way or the other. but-on, you can't deny if. but come on, you can't deny if it's it might not be on the it's not, it might not be on the table. coordinated a what's table. coordinated as a what's the table. coordinated as a what's ino nonn— table. coordinated as a what's the word? what's— table. coordinated as a what's. the word? what's-grand the word? what's the word? grand nnio— the word? what's the word? grand onino —ii-o— the word? what's the word? grand strike _ it's called - strike or whatever it's called oononi— strike or whatever it's called general-general- strike or whatever it's called general general strike? general strike. general strike? noon. — general strike. general strike? noon. ii— general strike. general strike? noon. ii nigni— general strike. general strike? yeah. it might-be- yeah. it might not be as coordinated— yeah. it might not be as coordinated and clear coordinated and as clear as inn—non- coordinated and as clear asi that,_you must that, but come on, you must ininn— that, but come on, you must ininn no— that, but come on, you must think no, that's— that, but come on, you must think no, that's quite coordinated. “

more complex than that when you'vegenerally deferring fromt union generally deferring from strike action. i think saying that think strike action. i think saying that destroying think strike action. i think saying that destroying going< strike action. i think saying that destroying going off that's destroying i'm going off topic bit, but respond topic a little bit, but respond topic a little bit, but respond to point about the royal to your point about the royal mail. what's what's destroying this mail. what's what's destroying inn gon— mail. what's what's destroying this great british— iii e what's what's destroying this great british brand of the nonn— this great british brand of the ronni—ini- this great british brand of the noon—inn g,- this great british brand of the noon—inn g, n| royal mail, as you put it, is ononging— royal mail, as you put it, is changing consumer habits who who nnion— writes letters anymore on iononoi— writes letters anymore on personal—all. writes letters anymore on. personal—all it's personal letters. we all it's ni— personal letters. we all it's git—gag.- personal letters. we all it'sj all—yeah. it's all about parcels. yeah. it's ni— all about parcels. yeah. it's oii-inoon- all about parcels. yeah. it's oii-inoon .- all about parcels. yeah. it's all parcels . yeah. and all about parcels. yeah. and inn— all about parcels. yeah. andi this—challenges this is one of the challenges inn— this is one of the challenges inn-nonn- this is one of the challenges that-there's a- this is one of the challenges that there's a fine that actually there's a fine ioionoo— that actually there's a fine balance allowing an balance between allowing an ongonnnion— balance between allowing an organisation to— balance between allowing an organisation to and organisation to develop and ononoi— organisation to develop and evolve versus— organisation to develop and evolve versus is— organisation to develop and evolve versus is maintaining non— evolve versus is maintaining your noniono — evolve versus is maintaining your workforce as it once was, ino— your workforce as it once was, no — your workforce as it once was, no ino— your workforce as it once was, the size, the scale— your workforce as it once was, the size, the scale and the oooio— the size, the scale and the oooio oi— the size, the scale and the scope of responsibilities that not— scope of responsibilities that not onco— scope of responsibilities that they once had. _ scope of responsibilities that they once had. and let's not ionon— they once had. and let's not even touch on— they once had. and let's not even touch on the whole ai thing iooono— even touch on the whole ai thing iooonoo i— even touch on the whole ai thing because i find— even touch on the whole ai thing because i find it— even touch on the whole ai thing because i find it fascinating at the because i find it fascinating at no ooi— because i find it fascinating at the moment how— because i find it fascinating at the moment how many people are inning— the moment how many people are inning io— the moment how many people are inning to inn— the moment how many people are ining io inn ion— the moment how many people are trying to push for non ooninnonn- trying to push for non compulsory redundant courses and non— compulsory redundant courses and inon—ining- then you've got this ai thing onooiing— then you've got this ai thing onooiing away— then you've got this ai thing creeping away and it's nipping at creeping away and it's nipping n iooiio-o— creeping away and it's nipping at people's ankles and i worry noni— at people's ankles and i worry oioni nin— at people's ankles and i worry about what that— at people's ankles and i worry about what that would mean for the about what that would mean for no inno— about what that would mean for no ininno oi— about what that would mean for the future of people's jobs in inn— the future of people's jobs in inn oonnin. — the future of people's jobs in this country. icah— the future of people's jobs in this country. can tell you this country. i can tell you onnnnn— this country. i can tell you onnnnn-nn-on- this country. i can tell you anyway, - major, get anyway, john major, he says, get inn— anyway, john major, he says, get inn-ino— anyway, john major, he says, get inn-ino iii— anyway, john major, he says, get this,-the uk is— anyway, john major, he says, get this, the uk is locking up this, that the uk is locking up too this, that the uk is locking up ioo nonn— this, that the uk is locking up too many offenders . he says, it too many offenders. he says, it nnion— too many offenders. he says, it nonoo no— too many offenders. he says, it makes me laugh— too many offenders. he says, it makes me laugh because i think the makes me laugh because i think no ooniioio— makes me laugh because i think the complete opposite. i iononnin— the complete opposite. i personally don't think lock personally don't think we lock up personally don't think we lock liii-people— personally don't think we lock. ni-iooiio-inonnin

up enough people quite frankly, he up enough people quite frankly, no-ino— up enough people quite frankly, no-ino ononi— up enough people quite frankly, he-the short term- he says. the short term sentences— he says. the short term sentences are - he says. the short term sentences are pointless and non—custodial— sentences are pointless and non—custodial measures would be oiiooiino. — non—custodial measures would be more effective. let's— non—custodial measures would be more effective. let's not forget , iii— more effective. let's not forget , in ion— more effective. let's not forget , in on non— more effective. let's not forget , i'll tell you what— more effective. let's not forget , i'll tell you what would be nonin— , i'll tell you what would be really effective. _ , i'll tell you what would be really effective. maybe not oonniiiing— really effective. maybe not committing crime in the first inno— committing crime in the first iino. non— committing crime in the first place. how about that? anyway gino— place. how about that? anyway gino-inongnn- place. how about that? anyway give thoughts what place. how about that? anyway give do thoughts what place. how about that? anyway givedo agree thoughts what place. how about that? anyway give do agree with.]hts what place. how about that? anyway give do agree with. john what

life across the uk. “ cit life across the uk. this is gb nons— life across the uk. this is gb news radio . hi there michelle news radio. hi there michelle dewberry keeping you company till seven alongside me. martin daubney, the journalist- e a “ 3 cc; martin daubney, the journalist and ion— daubney, the journalist and former brexit— daubney, the journalist and former brexit party mep, and anon— former brexit party mep, and aaron bastani,— former brexit party mep, and aaron bastani, the founder of nono— aaron bastani, the founder of novara media,— aaron bastani, the founder of novara media, now sirjohn major has novara media, now sirjohn major in iooiooiin— novara media, now sirjohn major has basically hit— novara media, now sirjohn major has basically hit out at the ionioo. — has basically hit out at the ionioo. no— has basically hit out at the tories. he says— has basically hit out at the tories. he says they're constantly— tories. he says they're constantly locking up criminals and constantly locking up criminals not no— constantly locking up criminals and he reckons— constantly locking up criminals and he reckons that all these onon— and he reckons that all these ononi nonn— and he reckons that all these short term sentences, things are ioiniiooo— short term sentences, things are ioiniiooo .— short term sentences, things are pointless . what— short term sentences, things are pointless . what he's basically pointless. what he's basically ooning— pointless. what he's basically ooning n— pointless. what he's basically ooning n inn— pointless. what he's basically saying is that everyone wants to be saying is that everyone wants to io nni— saying is that everyone wants to io nini oi— saying is that everyone wants to be kind of tough— saying is that everyone wants to be kind of tough on crime and son— be kind of tough on crime and sons inn— be kind of tough on crime and says that ultimately locking up iooiio— says that ultimately locking up iooiio ion— says that ultimately locking up people for these _ says that ultimately locking up people for these short things are counterproductive . martin are counterproductive. martin i ininn— are counterproductive. martin i ininn non— are counterproductive. martin i ininn non on— are counterproductive. martin i think you can take what john major— think you can take what john major nono— think you can take what john major says now— think you can take what john major says now and more or less oooonoin— major says now and more or less oooonoin inn— major says now and more or less ascertain that the—

major says now and more or less ascertain that the opposite is nin— ascertain that the opposite is what conservative voters think . what conservative voters think. inn— what conservative voters think. in non— what conservative voters think. erg he's morphing— what conservative voters think. erg he's morphing into- what conservative voters think. erg he's morphing into his- what conservative voters think. erg he's morphing into his mate, tony blair. they basically agree on everything . now. they agree on everything. now. they agree on everything. now. they agree on lockdowns . they agree on net on lockdowns. they agree on net zero. they they agree on going soft on crime. you know, i remember in 1993 when michael howard, now the formidable home secretary saying prison works . secretary saying prison works. if there aren't enough prisons, let's build more. he went down very well with the conservative base. and as you get older, do you get more liberal? well major was wrong on europe. he's been wrong on everything. he's been wrong on everything. he's been wrong on everything. he's been wrong on vaccine passports. he's been wrong. you'd petty been wrong. so you'd lock petty criminals. i'm saying criminals. know what i'm saying is is a deterrent. that is prison is a deterrent. that it works. i do agree . there it works. now, i do agree. there are cases where we have addiction in look, a more progressive aspects like like canada or portugal where where heroin addiction, for example, is medicalized and treated because the repeat offence, the churn of people offending for robbery and then going in and out of jail like a yo—yo doesn't work where there's addiction. we have i think we could be more progressive , but sending out the

progressive, but sending out the general message that prison doesn't work is cottonwool liberal nonsense and it will not play liberal nonsense and it will not play well with the conservative base and once again, here we are having a conversation about the tory party completely losing its way. do you agree, aaron, i ininn— way. do you agree, aaron, i ininn inn— do you agree, aaron, i think it's completely out of inno— think it's completely out of inno niin— think it's completely out of tune with conservative voters, for sure. what— tune with conservative voters, for sure. what i— tune with conservative voters, for sure. kiowa : tune with conservative voters, for sure. knit; 3 tune with conservative voters, for sure. : for sure. what i would say is there's two sort of things in my mind here. firstly, i don't think we're anywhere near punitive enough . i'm really punitive enough. i'm really violent crime and you see it time. obviously, this stuff gets really picked up by the media. extraordinary recently i extraordinary story. recently i saw an mps daughter was hit saw that an mps daughter was hit in a hit and run by a driver and they let this woman die by the roadside. she went to prison for a year. she was banned from driving for 18 months. and you think, how on earth is that sensible? so on the one hand, i would like to see far more punitive treatment of people like that. but then i do think we have of people in we do have a lot of people in prison, not a lot, fewer prison, not a lot, but fewer than people in prison. than 50% of people in prison. are there for violent crimes.

i'm sorry. yeah, fewer than 50. so than aren't there so more than 50% aren't there for crimes. i think for violent crimes. and i think there's something to there's probably something to say you know, you could say that, you know, you could probably down. so probably bring that down. so i think a mix here that think there's a mix here that i think there's a mix here that i think where somebody has done something absolutely abhorrent, think where somebody has done sometiassault,ilutely abhorrent, think where somebody has done sometiassault, murder,bhorrent, sexual assault, murder, you know, forms of know, more grievous forms of gbh, think they should go gbh, gbh, i think they should go down long time. but when down for a long time. but when somebody's got good character, no previous and like you say, you know , somebody you know, you know, somebody you know, we're going to disagree about this. oil protesters this. just stop oil protesters with the banner drop. you know , with the banner drop. you know, they stop traffic. the they didn't stop traffic. the police stop traffic. they didn't stop traffic. the polprevious stop traffic. they didn't stop traffic. the polprevious convictions raffic. they didn't stop traffic. the polprevious convictions ,iffic. they didn't stop traffic. the polprevious convictions , good no previous convictions, good character. one of them's gone inside for three years and the other gone inside for two other one's gone inside for two years. seven months. that's going cost taxpayer going to cost the taxpayer a hell of lot. criminal hell of a lot. the criminal justice pay a hell justice system has to pay a hell of lot. they don't pay taxes of a lot. they don't pay taxes as productive for as productive citizens for a long now, look, if you do long time. now, look, if you do it 2 or 3 times, it might deter other people from behaving like idiots. yeah, it. well, idiots. yeah, that's it. well, they're on, aren't they're still going on, aren't they? but my point is this. if it's your first offence and you've good character, you've got good character, i think that's a complete waste of taxpayers money. do you? but is

non— taxpayers money. do you? but is inono—non— taxpayers money. do you? but is inono—non io- taxpayers money. do you? but is there—you to the- there any part of you to the noini— there any part of you to the ioini inn— there any part of you to the ioini inn i— there any part of you to the point that i was— there any part of you to the point that i was just making nnion— point that i was just making noinon giiiin— point that i was just making rather glibly, i— point that i was just making rather glibly, i admit there, ini— rather glibly, i admit there, in ii— rather glibly, i admit there, in ii non— rather glibly, i admit there, but if you want— rather glibly, i admit there, but if you want to send out a noooogo-goi- but if you want to send out a message,-got all. message, if you've got all of inn— message, if you've got all of inn nni— message, if you've got all of inn nini oi— message, if you've got all of this kind of stuff— message, if you've got all of this kind of stuff going on, you know,— this kind of stuff going on, you nnon ioi-o— this kind of stuff going on, you know, let's just— this kind of stuff going on, you know, let's just use your example-— know, let's just use your example. yeah. know, let's just use your- example.-yeah. and example. just oil. yeah. and ooinoiin— example. just oil. yeah. and ooinoiin ii— example. just oil. yeah. and actually, if you _ example. just oil. yeah. and actually, if you if you go oinoigni— actually, if you if you go straight-hard.- actually, if you if you go- straight-hard. right. straight in quite hard. right. in— straight in quite hard. right. i-n—going- straight in quite hard. right. i-n—going iol straight in quite hard. right.- i-n—going to noon i'm going to i'm going to push as i'm going to i'm going to push isles— i'm going to i'm going to push ooloo i— i'm going to i'm going to push ooloo i on— i'm going to i'm going to push as.as i can when- i'm going to i'm going to push as.as i can when it- i'm going to i'm going to push as as i can when it comes to as far as i can when it comes to oonionoing— as far as i can when it comes to sentencing because— as far as i can when it comes to sentencing because not just for non— sentencing because not just for your punishment,— sentencing because not just for your punishment, but because i noni— your punishment, but because i noni io— your punishment, but because i noni io noo— your punishment, but because i noni io non— your punishment, but because i want to use you to— your punishment, but because i want to use you to send a ogo— want to use you to send a go oni— want to use you to send a message out to- want to use you to send a message out to deter this going ionnoni—nonl forward. that's sensible, if you ooi— forward. that's sensible, if you oon—o- forward. that's sensible, if you oon—o ion- forward. that's sensible, if you. ask—a few points ask me. so there's a few points i'd like to respond with. firstly i mean, we all this firstly i mean, we all saw this incredible story, disgusting story young in scotland story of a young man in scotland who assaulted 13 who sexually assaulted a 13 year old when he was 17. and i think he his early he was sentenced in his early 20s. didn't even get 20s. he didn't even get a custodial sentence. find it custodial sentence. i find it extraordinary can happen. extraordinary that can happen. and who's done and yet somebody who's done a banner drop and themselves haven't the traffic the haven't stopped the traffic the police prison police have then go to prison for three years. i think something extraordinary, really strange to strange is happening to our criminal system. what's criminal justice system. what's happening _scotland l criminal justice system. what'si happening-scotland we happening is that in scotland we nono— happening is that in scotland we nno non— happening is that in scotland we nno non-inn— happening is that in scotland we have you .this-of- have you had this sort of oiinoiion— have you had this sort of situation scotland's situation where scotland'si worse,_other worse, but it's bad in other iioooo— worse, but it's bad in other places-but- worse, but it's bad in other places-but they're. worse, but it's bad in other. places-but they're even places too. but they're even softer because they're saying, for example, this guy's

for example, this this guy's brain formed. he's brain wasn't fully formed. he's had traumatic brain wasn't fully formed. he's had ltraumatic childhood. - had a traumatic childhood. cninoo— had a traumatic childhood. crimea-know,- crimea river, you know, someone's they someone's been raped and they inon— someone's been raped and they inon-o— someone's been raped and they they- a - sentence. i they will serve a life sentence. i_wu— they will serve a life sentence. i—non on— they will serve a life sentence. i—non on inn.- they will serve a life sentence. i you on that. back i agree with you on that. back to noi— i agree with you on that. back to non-on— i agree with you on that. back to non-on io— i agree with you on that. back to just-oil to call- i agree with you on that. back to just oil to call them to just stop oil to call them in— to just stop oil to call them in ionon— to just stop oil to call them tax payers makes me scoff how nonn— tax payers makes me scoff how nonnlinon— tax payers makes me scoff how nonnlinon ion— tax payers makes me scoff how many them pay tax the most many of them pay tax the most nonn— many of them pay tax the most non—oni— many of them pay tax the most work—out there. - work shy people out there. inon-no— work shy people out there. they're .work- work shy people out there. they're work shy against the they're the work shy against the nonning — they're the work shy against the working-what's- working classes. what's your proof for that? so hold on. so the to the protesting in the middle day, does the two middle of the day, does the two people they people that work nights, they might two people that might do the two people that went down. you don't think they had what i'm had they had jobs. what i'm saying if they do saying is this. and if they do have jobs, does that mean your points relevant? it points are relevant? you take it back. no, no. i'm saying the back. no, no, no. i'm saying the non-onion— back. no, no, no. i'm saying the notoniin-iino— back. no, no, no. i'm saying the notoniin-iino-onnl majority look like the work shy nnionn— students or retirees who are gniio— students or retirees who are quite comfortable. luxury quite comfortable. it's a luxury ioiioi— quite comfortable. it's a luxury belief system.— quite comfortable. it's a luxury belief system. as— quite comfortable. it's a luxury belief system. as for the damage to belief system. as for the damage io—oioni- to the economy, what about the ionogo— damage to the economy by stopping— damage to the economy by stopting-1125,- damage to the economy by stopping m25, stopping stopping the m25, stopping inonoonio— stopping the m25, stopping- thousands—people thousands of thousands of people goiiing— thousands of thousands of people goiiing io— thousands of thousands of people goiiing to non— thousands of thousands of people getting to work-of- getting to work because of ioon— getting to work because of because-entire - getting to work because of because entire belief because of their entire belief onoioni— because of their entire belief onoiono-io — because of their entire belief system? do think because of their entire belief. system?-do think .we system? and i do think that we oon-ino— system? and i do think that we oon-ino-nol system? and i do think that we- can _the _we should can change the law and we should be can change the law and we should io-oni— can change the law and we should io-oni no— can change the law and we should be-and we should- can change the law and we should be and we should more be nimble and we should be more inniiino—iningo- be nimble and we should be more punitive—things in. punitive to stop these things in the punitive to stop these things in oio—noino- the bud. and the police were ioning— the bud. and the police were ioning-onin— the bud. and the police were ioning-onin-iil the bud. and the police were. taking-cups-it was taking them cups of tea. it was tea taking them cups of tea. it was ioo oni— taking them cups of tea. it was tea and sympathy.— taking them cups of tea. it was tea and sympathy. hold on. "clan tea and sympathy. hold on. they ni— tea and sympathy. hold on. they oii onen— tea and sympathy. hold on. they were all over-place- tea and sympathy. hold on. they were all over place because were all over the place because i'm suggesting we give i'm not suggesting we give them cups tea. they had to change

cups of tea. they had to change oni— cups of tea. they had to change not io— cups of tea. they had to change not io-oni— cups of tea. they had to change and be - and i more - cups of tea. they had to change| and be _and .more hard and be nimble and go more hard ino— and be nimble and go more hard iino—oonnin- and be nimble and go more hard line—country was- line because the country was opinion.— line because the country was opinion—noi- line because the country was. appalled._had.act appalled. the police had to act iooo— appalled. the police had to act because—made- because the public made them on. — because the public made them on. -ininn— because the public made them act. _think that's- because the public made them act. _think that's true.| act. i don't think that's true. i what happened was the i think what happened was the police traffic in police shut down traffic in a very, very high density part in terms traffic management terms of traffic management of the ultimately, the country. and ultimately, these guys took took you the country. and ultimately, these theyjuys took took you the country. and ultimately, these theyjuys 1the took you the country. and ultimately, these theyjuys 1the punishmenti the country. and ultimately, the it. theyjuys 1the punishmenti the country. and ultimately, the it. and juys 1the punishmenti the country. and ultimately, the it. and iiys 1the punishmenti the country. and ultimately, the it. and iiys 1tii punishmenti the country. and ultimately, the it. and iiys 1tii think;hmenti for it. and i think i think actually, hang on. why did they sini— actually, hang on. why did they no ino— actually, hang on. why did they shut the traffic?— actually, hang on. why did they shut the traffic? _ actually, hang on. why did they shut the traffic? the- , “i“g why did they shut the traffic? itizi; actually, hang on. why did they shut the traffic? the police did because safety. yeah. shut the traffic? the police did becepolice safety. yeah. shut the traffic? the police did. bect'police didn't-safety. yeah. shut the traffic? itizi; i: i: iiizintgipolice didn't wake lino i/iziuii“ shut the traffic? itizi; i: i: iiizintgipolice didn't wake up. i/iziuii“ the police didn't wake up. inoiooion— the police didn't wake up. protesters knew the police iiin-i— protesters knew the police iiin-i-ioion- protesters knew the police didn't today and protesters knew the police didn't-today and you didn't wake up today and go, you know—iono- didn't wake up today and go, you know—bored, sol know what, i'm really bored, so in— know what, i'm really bored, so i-n—io— know what, i'm really bored, so i-n—io oiooo- know what, i'm really bored, so i'm _to close this- i'm just going to close this nnnoio — i'm just going to close this nnnoio -inon— i'm just going to close this major.-they did- i'm just going to close this major. they did is these major. what they did is these iiiioon—inl pillocks put themselves in iioooo—nol pillocks put themselves in- places_no business places that they had no business ioing—noo- places that they had no business being—wasliiskl being in because it was a risk to inning— being in because it was a risk to passing along,— being in because it was a risk to passing along, minding their ino— to passing along, minding their own business, mercury. so the noino— own business, mercury. so the iono-oon— own business, mercury. so the police-actlfind- police had to act. i find it extraordinary— police had to act. i find it. extraordinary-people extraordinary that two people do a extraordinary that two people do o oinni. — extraordinary that two people do ooinni. .nigni— extraordinary that two people do a stunt. .might think- extraordinary that two people do a stunt. g“ e a stunt. you might think it's stupid, distaste, whatever. two people stunt, police people do a stunt, the police then motorists then stop thousands of motorists and then these guys get three years. it very strange. years. i find it very strange. and the same have hit and at the same time we have hit and runs and the is out and runs and the person is out of prison year. i think, of prison in a year. i think, look, agree that criminal look, we agree that the criminal justice in this justice system system in this country it's country is a joke. it's dysfunctional. would dysfunctional. what i would say, there's to there's probably something to this, that are people in this, that there are people in prison simply shouldn't

prison who who simply shouldn't be to be there. it's more expensive to send jail than to send somebody to jail than to yale. a senator said, yale. as a senator once said, i'm just reading i'll just read some these details in some of these details out in case not with case you're not familiar with some major some of the things that major was saying many was saying, he's saying many prisoners. he's saying a sentence _term i sentence to short term imprisonment, while other sentences so sentences would be prepared. so non—nonin- sentences would be prepared. so he's—example, to- he's saying, for example, to non—oni- he's saying, for example, toi your—and medical your point, care and medical oiioniion— your point, care and medicali attention—prisons. attention rather than prisons. ani— attention rather than prisons. ani inon— attention rather than prisons. and then-saying,- attention rather than prisons. and then saying, moreover, and then he's saying, moreover, ononii— and then he's saying, moreover,| should _offenders, should low level drug offenders, i.e. street dealers who are nignin— i.e. street dealers who are nignin-io- i.e. street dealers who are nignin-io io- i.e. street dealers who are highly-to be of- i.e. street dealers who are highly to be of limited highly likely to be of limited intelligence— highly likely to be of limited intelligence as— highly likely to be of limited intelligence as well as being nnion— intelligence as well as being addicts themselves, be sentenced to addicts themselves, be sentenced io innon— addicts themselves, be sentenced io noon on— addicts themselves, be sentenced to prison or given— addicts themselves, be sentenced to prison or given an opinoinioio- to prison or given an appropriate community sentence ? appropriate community sentence? noin— appropriate community sentence? net, i— appropriate community sentence? net, i nonin— appropriate community sentence? well, i would push— appropriate community sentence? well, i would push back on that ooinoiin— well, i would push back on that ooinoiin .— well, i would push back on that ooinoiin , oni— well, i would push back on that actually , and say— well, i would push back on that actually , and say with all the actually, and say with all the you— actually, and say with all the non know,— actually, and say with all the non nnon ino— actually, and say with all the you know, due respect, you can be you know, due respect, you can io oi— you know, due respect, you can io oi ino— you know, due respect, you can be of the most— you know, due respect, you can be of the most limited intelligence - be of the most limited intelligence in the land, like iiionoiin— intelligence in the land, like literally the _ intelligence in the land, like literally the most, you know, intelligence in the land, like inning oi— intelligence in the land, like lacking of intellect and, you know— lacking of intellect and, you know nigni— lacking of intellect and, you know right from _ lacking of intellect and, you know right from wrong. it iooon-i— know right from wrong. it doesn't wash _ know right from wrong. it doesn't wash with me. this fella , inon-no — doesn't wash with me. this fella ,inonino ioiiiing— doesn't wash with me. this fella , they're peddling drugs to kids and , they're peddling drugs to kids not on— , they're peddling drugs to kids oni oii ino— , they're peddling drugs to kids and all the rest— , they're peddling drugs to kids and all the rest of— , they're peddling drugs to kids and all the rest of it. oh, noon.— and all the rest of it. oh, noon. no— and all the rest of it. oh, yeah. he didn't- and all the rest of it. oh, yeah. he didn't attend school. gt..— yeah. he didn't attend school. on noin— yeah. he didn't attend school. oh, well, that's— yeah. he didn't attend school. oh, well, that's all right, inon. — oh, well, that's all right, inon. nni— oh, well, that's all right, then. and the- oh, well, that's all right, then. d oh, well, that's all right, then. ' d oh, well, that's all right,- then. and the greater point is that the mr biggs, those higher up, they will adapt up, they will. they will adapt and manipulate and exploit voit

softness and the law like that by exploiting children, by by exploiting children, exploiting the mentally vulnerable, exploiting those in poverty. they will poverty. now, they will manipulate around those new laws and advantage and and take advantage and criminalise more so. so you create another problem. and we don't we don't lock up the guys who in we're going who are in charge. we're going for on the street who for the kids on the street who have been used and abused by those above them. and love those above them. and i'd love to those above them. and i'd love io-iooonoo— those above them. and i'd lovei to - because - actually to know because i don't actually know— to know because i don't actually know-ooio.— to know because i don't actually know-ooio. i— to know because i don't actually know-data. i must- to know because i don't actually know data. i must confess, know the data. i must confess, he know the data. i must confess, no-inoi— know the data. i must confess, no-inoi-no- know the data. i must confess,| he-that-are highly he says that dealers are highly iinoin— he says that dealers are highly likely-addicts— he says that dealers are highly likely addicts themselves. likely to be addicts themselves. noin— likely to be addicts themselves. well,-surprises_ likely to be addicts themselves. well,-surprises me- likely to be addicts themselves. well, surprises me because well, that surprises me because i well, that surprises me because i iii— well, that surprises me because i iii noo— well, that surprises me because i iii io— well, that surprises me because i did use to spend— well, that surprises me because i did use to spend my teenage nono— i did use to spend my teenage noono niin— i did use to spend my teenage years with people— i did use to spend my teenage years with people that perhaps years with people that i perhaps ononiin-i— years with people that i perhaps shouldn't have— years with people that i perhaps shouldn't have been spending my ioonogo— shouldn't have been spending my ioonogo nono— shouldn't have been spending my teenage years with. moms teenage years with. if my moms noioiing— teenage years with. if my moms noioiinglio— teenage years with. if my moms watching, do accept that point teenage years with. if my moms wathanywayo accept that point teenage years with. if my moms wathanyway many pt that point teenage years with. if my moms wathanyway many ofthat point teenage years with. if my moms wathanyway many of the point teenage years with. if my moms wathanyway many of the people now. anyway many of the people inn— now. anyway many of the people inn no— now. anyway many of the people that are dealing— now. anyway many of the people that are dealing drugs, they're too that are dealing drugs, they're ioo inon-no— that are dealing drugs, they're too they're too— that are dealing drugs, they're too they're too smart to use inooo— too they're too smart to use inooo ingo— too they're too smart to use those drugs themselves . they see those drugs themselves. they see inooo— those drugs themselves. they see inooo ingo— those drugs themselves. they see inooo inngo oo— those drugs themselves. they see those drugs as a— those drugs themselves. they see those drugs as a commodity motty to those drugs as a commodity motty io onion— those drugs as a commodity motty io oxnioii ino— those drugs as a commodity motty to exploit the vulnerable and nono— to exploit the vulnerable and nono monon— to exploit the vulnerable and make money for— to exploit the vulnerable and make money for themselves. inon-no— make money for themselves. inon-no omni— make money for themselves. they're smart and they don't get on ino— they're smart and they don't get on no gon— they're smart and they don't get on the gear because they see nin— on the gear because they see nnoi ii— on the gear because they see nnoi ii iooo— on the gear because they see what it does to— on the gear because they see what it does to people. so i'd be fascinated.— what it does to people. so i'd be fascinated. don't know is be fascinated. i don't know is ino— be fascinated. i don't know is oio-ini— be fascinated. i don't know is the-butlwould- the answer, but i would be ioooinoioi— the answer, but i would be fascinated to— the answer, but i would be fascinated to how fascinated to see how many ioono— fascinated to see how many iooiio-iooi— fascinated to see how many people deal drugs are

people that deal drugs are ooinoiin— people that deal drugs are actually—said. people that deal drugs are- actually_said drugs actually addicted to said drugs iionooinoo— actually addicted to said drugs themselves—the. themselves. do you know the ononon-ion-i- themselves. do you know the answer don't know. answer to that? i don't know. nonio—oooion. maybe you work in that sector. if maybe you work in that sector. ii non — maybe you work in that sector. ii non io, — maybe you work in that sector. ii non to, non— maybe you work in that sector. if you do, you can— maybe you work in that sector. if you do, you can tell me. nigni. — if you do, you can tell me. nignilgoing- if you do, you can tell me. right-going to- if you do, you can tell me. right. going to take a quick right. i'm going to take a quick noon.— right. i'm going to take a quick noon-nono— right. i'm going to take a quick break.-come back,- right. i'm going to take a quick break. come back, i've break. when i come back, i've got— break. when i come back, i've goo—ionic- break. when i come back, i'vei goo—ioiiolnon got an interesting topic for you guys-— got an interesting topic for you gun—ioin- got an interesting topic for you gnno—ioin inoil got an interesting topic for you. guys._baby that has guys. the first uk baby that has ioon— guys. the first uk baby that has ion—inn- guys. the first uk baby that has been _dna from - guys. the first uk baby that has. been—dna from three been created with dna from three ioono— been created with dna from three iooiio noo— been created with dna from three iooiio noo ioon— been created with dna from three people has been born . people has been born. apparently,— people has been born. apparently, this is all about iiniiing— apparently, this is all about limiting potential health inoiiono— limiting potential health problems in— limiting potential health problems in the child. but i ooi— problems in the child. but i ooi .— problems in the child. but i ooi , io— problems in the child. but i wonder , do you— problems in the child. but i wonder , do you think this is wonder, do you think this is iooiooiin— wonder, do you think this is basically science playing god? do basically science playing god? io—inooo- do you support these developments see you developments or not? see you

on gb news the people's channel. britain is watching . hello britain is watching. hello there. i'm michelle- z“ , “g hello there. i'm michelle dewberry nooiing— there. i'm michelle dewberry iooiing non— there. i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company till 7:00. nonin— keeping you company till 7:00. martin daubney— keeping you company till 7:00. martin daubney is a journalist oni— martin daubney is a journalist oni ionon— martin daubney is a journalist and former brexit party mep, and anon— and former brexit party mep, and anon iooioni— and former brexit party mep, and aaron bastani is— and former brexit party mep, and aaron bastani is the founder of iono— aaron bastani is the founder of nono notio— aaron bastani is the founder of novara media says we've just ioon— novara media says we've just ioon inning— novara media says we've just been talking about criminals inon— been talking about criminals inon oni— been talking about criminals then and whether or not we ononii— then and whether or not we ononii io— then and whether or not we should be locking up more of non,— should be locking up more of them, particularly of the petty onnno— them, particularly of the petty nnion— them, particularly of the petty crime variety mixes. if we took all—criminals- crime variety mixes. if we took allthem-criminals- crime variety mixes. if we took allthem trackersials crime variety mixes. if we took allthem trackers include fit them with trackers include oinooi— fit them with trackers include street sleepers— fit them with trackers include street sleepers and able bodied ioono— street sleepers and able bodied iooiio. ii— street sleepers and able bodied people. et cetera. _ street sleepers and able bodied people. et cetera. and put them

to people. et cetera. and put them io nonn— people. et cetera. and put them io non on— people. et cetera. and put them to work on farms— people. et cetera. and put them to work on farms ,_ people. et cetera. and put them to work on farms , he says. he to work on farms, he says. he oono— to work on farms, he says. he oono inn— to work on farms, he says. he says that would _ to work on farms, he says. he says that would be a better ooiniion— says that would be a better solution then _ says that would be a better solution then prisons. how would you solution then prisons. how would non nono— solution then prisons. how would non nono inon— solution then prisons. how would you make them work, though, if inon— you make them work, though, if inon inn— you make them work, though, if inon innn ni— you make them work, though, if inon innn no oi— you make them work, though, if they turn up at this farm, say, in — they turn up at this farm, say, in noi— they turn up at this farm, say, i-n not going— they turn up at this farm, say, i-n not going io— they turn up at this farm, say, i'm not going to do that job, nin— i'm not going to do that job, nnoi nonin— i'm not going to do that job, what would you _ i'm not going to do that job, what would you do? alan says, to be what would you do? alan says, to io nonooi— what would you do? alan says, to be honest with— what would you do? alan says, to be honest with michel, be honest with you, michel, i noon— be honest with you, michel, i not io— be honest with you, michel, i not iolo— be honest with you, michel, i used to.a bit— be honest with you, michel, i used to.a bit of- be honest with you, michel, i used to.a bit of a- be honest with you, michel, i used to a bit of a dodgy used to be a bit of a dodgy oinooion— used to be a bit of a dodgy character. his— used to be a bit of a dodgy character. his words not mine, he character. his words not mine, no oono. — character. his words not mine, no oono. ini— character. his words not mine, he says. but now— character. his words not mine, he says. but now i— character. his words not mine, he says. but now i am reformed, non—inn- man, he says. the thing that noinon— man, he says. the thing that noinon-oni— man, he says. the thing that helped stop getting arrested helped me stop getting arrested ogoin— helped me stop getting arrested oogin n— helped me stop getting arrested over again was giving up oioonoi. — over again was giving up alcohol. get alcohol. too many people get nnooioi— alcohol. too many people get arrested _they. arrested just because they are non—ann.- arrested just because they are drunk—alan. will. drunk idiots, says alan. will niniin— drunk idiots, says alan. will firstly, congratulations to you for firstly, congratulations to you ion noionning— firstly, congratulations to you for reforming your behaviour ioono— for reforming your behaviour ioonoo i— for reforming your behaviour because i think— for reforming your behaviour because i think that real because i think that takes real gon— because i think that takes real gnio oni— because i think that takes real guts and strength of character. non-o— guts and strength of character. non-no-io— guts and strength of character. you've .to change - guts and strength of character. you've to change your peer you've got to change your peer group— you've got to change your peer gnonilnoii. — you've got to change your peer group well. respect to you group as well. so respect to you for group as well. so respect to you ion-noni— group as well. so respect to you for-won't like- group as well. so respect to you for-won't like my- for that. you won't like my next pari— for that. you won't like my next ion-oonionoo— for that. you won't like my next part sentence though, part of the sentence though, ioono— part of the sentence though, ioonoo i— part of the sentence though, because i-if- part of the sentence though, because i if people are because i think if people are oni— because i think if people are oni oni— because i think if people are out and about— because i think if people are out and about getting drunk and to out and about getting drunk and io-ioing— out and about getting drunk and to-being-idiots,| to quote you being drunk idiots, i to quote you being drunk idiots, i—ononii— to quote you being drunk idiots, i—ononii io— to quote you being drunk idiots, i_should be put- to quote you being drunk idiots, i should be put into i think they should be put into ino— i think they should be put into iino—io- i think they should be put into iino—io nono- i think they should be put into like—to wake up.| like a drunk tank to wake up. ani— like a drunk tank to wake up. ann—io— like a drunk tank to wake up. ann—oio nono- like a drunk tank to wake up.. and—do wake-and and when they do wake up and ooion— and when they do wake up and sober-should- and when they do wake up and sober- should be- and when they do wake up and sober should be charged sober up, they should be charged for sober up, they should be charged ion-nigni— sober up, they should be charged ion-nigni in— sober up, they should be charged for night in custody. for their night in custody. inn-o— for their night in custody. that's what— for their night in custody. that's what i— for their night in custody. that's what i think. you might iioognoo— that's what i think. you might disagree, though,— that's what i think. you might disagree, though, sure disagree, though, alan. i'm sure non-ii— disagree, though, alan. i'm sure noon-non— disagree, though, alan. i'm sure non-ii-non io- disagree, though, alan. i'm sure you'll you do. right you'll tell me if you do. right ioi-o— you'll tell me if you do. right ioi-o nono— you'll tell me if you do. right let's move on. _ you'll tell me if you do. right let's move on. get this, britain noi— let's move on. get this, britain now, we've had the— let's move on. get this, britain now, we've had the first baby inn— now, we've had the first baby inn noo— now, we've had the first baby

that has been— now, we've had the first baby that has been born to three inonio. — that has been born to three inonio. voo— that has been born to three parents. yes, you did hear that oonnooiin— parents. yes, you did hear that oonnooiin. i— parents. yes, you did hear that correctly. i can— parents. yes, you did hear that correctly. i can indeed count . correctly. i can indeed count. ani— correctly. i can indeed count. ani nnio— correctly. i can indeed count. ani inio io— correctly. i can indeed count. and this is all— correctly. i can indeed count. and this is all about it's been ooiioi— and this is all about it's been ooiioi oo— and this is all about it's been called one of— and this is all about it's been called one of the— and this is all about it's been called one of the biggest leaps ionnni— called one of the biggest leaps ionnni in— called one of the biggest leaps forward in ive,— called one of the biggest leaps forward in ivf, really. and it's all forward in ivf, really. and it's oii oioni— forward in ivf, really. and it's all about trying— forward in ivf, really. and it's all about trying to prevent oniiinon— all about trying to prevent children from _ all about trying to prevent children from being born with various different— children from being born with various different illnesses as nnion— various different illnesses as which could— various different illnesses as which could actually go on and ionoioi— which could actually go on and ionoioi o— which could actually go on and develop a learning difficulties or disabilities— develop a learning difficulties or disabilities or— develop a learning difficulties or disabilities or early death or disabilities or early death on nnoionon. — or disabilities or early death or whatever. and this has been noion— or whatever. and this has been noiioi in— or whatever. and this has been hailed by some— or whatever. and this has been hailed by some people. i'll oini— hailed by some people. i'll oini niin— hailed by some people. i'll start with you— hailed by some people. i'll start with you actually, aaron. inn— start with you actually, aaron. inn-ioon— start with you actually, aaron. this-been hailed- start with you actually, aaron. this been hailed by some this has been hailed by some ioono— this has been hailed by some people-fantastic- this has been hailed by some people fantastic scientific people as a fantastic scientific breakthrough. _ people as a fantastic scientific breakthrough. it's been criticised— breakthrough. it's been criticised by— breakthrough. it's been criticised by others, as you know— criticised by others, as you know .— criticised by others, as you know , humans— criticised by others, as you know , humans basically trying to know, humans basically trying to play— know, humans basically trying to pin ooi— know, humans basically trying to pin not no— know, humans basically trying to play god and almost kind of oiiiing— play god and almost kind of editing children. _ play god and almost kind of editing children. and the next oioi— editing children. and the next oioi niii— editing children. and the next oioi niii be,— editing children. and the next step will be, you— editing children. and the next step will be, you know, i want a non— step will be, you know, i want a inonn onoi— step will be, you know, i want a brown eyed kid— step will be, you know, i want a brown eyed kid and not a blonde noinon— brown eyed kid and not a blonde noinoi oo— brown eyed kid and not a blonde noinoi on— brown eyed kid and not a blonde haired one or whatever. what do you— haired one or whatever. what do non nono— haired one or whatever. what do non nono io— haired one or whatever. what do non nono io ii— haired one or whatever. what do you make to it all? /zi.. haired one or whatever. what do you make to it all? 4z::. you make to it all? you know, i inni— you make to it all? you know, i think you have captured it there. this this particular innovation, it's innovation, i mean, it's important with regards to important to say with regards to ivf, i think playing ivf, you know, i think playing god, sailed just god, that ship has sailed just with . and this a kind of with ivf. and this is a kind of upgrade on that. so when you have ivf or you have have ivf or when you have procreation, you obviously have a genetic blueprint, a genetic

blueprint of the mother and the father and then you the father and then you have the child terms of the child in terms of the chromosomes the child, it's a chromosomes of the child, it's a it's of both. as it's a 5050 mix of both. as you've said , with mother you've said, with the mother here, mitochondria of the here, the mitochondria of the women's sort of women's genetic sort of blueprint. be upgraded, blueprint. can be upgraded, it can almost a bit like can be edited almost a bit like cut and paste with the cut copy and paste with the computer with another woman's genetic data. now if you had a genetically inherited condition in your family, say, parkinson's or early onset alzheimer's and somebody says, look, we do somebody says, look, we can do this slight procedure and we'll get rid of it, i think i think almost everybody watching will say what this say, great. and that's what this kind of treatment touches on. but there's but as you've said, there's a huge spectrum of possibility here, isn't there? because you can babies. you can get designer babies. you know, have plastic know, people have plastic surgery already. you know, change nose, change your change your nose, change your eyes, fine. i haven't got a problem but all of a problem with it. but all of a sudden might say, quite sudden they might say, i quite fancy nose. fancy changing my child's nose. my fancy changing my child's nose. my them my child's eyes make them smaller so i think smaller or taller. so i think you're absolutely there's smaller or taller. so i think yireal absolutely there's smaller or taller. so i think yireal slipperyely there's smaller or taller. so i think yireal slippery slope there's smaller or taller. so i think yireal slippery slope here.ere's smaller or taller. so i think yireal slippery slope here. but a real slippery slope here. but i think the face of it, i i think on the face of it, i think is positive idea think this is a positive idea and breakthrough . and a positive breakthrough. martin one thing i like about

this martin one thing i like about inio io— martin one thing i like about inio ioloinn— martin one thing i like about this is stark reminder that in this is a stark reminder that in the this is a stark reminder that in oio-ioing— this is a stark reminder that in ino-ioing o— this is a stark reminder that in ino-ioing o z.- this is a stark reminder that in the-being a z, a- this is a stark reminder that in the-being a z, a z,- this is a stark reminder that in the being a z, a z, a, the age of being a z, a z, a, inon— the age of being a z, a z, a, inon on— the age of being a z, a z, a, inon on inon— the age of being a z, a z, a, they or them _you i the age of being a z, a z, a,- they or them _you know, they or them actually, you know, gonoiiooiin— they or them actually, you know, genetically, - need _ they or them actually, you know, genetically, need to be a genetically, you need to be a noinon— genetically, you need to be a noinon oni— genetically, you need to be a mother and a— genetically, you need to be a mother and a father to procreate oni— mother and a father to procreate oni nono— mother and a father to procreate and have children— mother and a father to procreate and have children .— mother and a father to procreate and have children . and, you and have children. and, you inon— and have children. and, you know. no— and have children. and, you know, and we— and have children. and, you know, and we need genetic know, and we need that genetic ooio.— know, and we need that genetic ooio. ini— know, and we need that genetic ooio. on i— know, and we need that genetic ooio. on i io— know, and we need that genetic code. but i do concur that this nnio— code. but i do concur that this inio io— code. but i do concur that this this is brilliant,— code. but i do concur that this this is brilliant, you know, gonoiio— this is brilliant, you know, genetic technology allows 10% of a genetic technology allows 10% of o-io — genetic technology allows 10% of o-iolinoonoi- genetic technology allows 10% of o-iolinoonoi .- genetic technology allows 10% of a _to i inserted . the i a genome to be inserted. the ioiooiino— a genome to be inserted. the defective replaced with an oxionnoi— defective replaced with an external mother. no genetic characteristics— external mother. no genetic characteristics of that mother. so characteristics of that mother. so ii— characteristics of that mother. so ii nonii — characteristics of that mother. so it would look— characteristics of that mother. so it would look like the oniginoi— so it would look like the original mother , but it tweaks original mother, but it tweaks inn— original mother, but it tweaks that imperfection away. but noon— that imperfection away. but noon. nono— that imperfection away. but yeah, you're right. i mean, nnono— yeah, you're right. i mean, nnono-oni- yeah, you're right. i mean,| where-end-do yeah, you're right. i mean,- where-end-do you where does it end now? do you noni— where does it end now? do you noni io— where does it end now? do you noni io nono— where does it end now? do you want to have kids— where does it end now? do you want to have kids aren't want to have kids that aren't ino— want to have kids that aren't iono-goi— want to have kids that aren't. fat?-got-who've fat? and i've got friends who've ioon — fat? and i've got friends who've ioon oni— fat? and i've got friends who've ioon oni oi— fat? and i've got friends who've been out of the— fat? and i've got friends who've been out of the country to have ivf been out of the country to have in in— been out of the country to have in in iioooo— been out of the country to have ivf in places like— been out of the country to have ivf in places like cyprus where you— ivf in places like cyprus where non-onoooo— ivf in places like cyprus where you choose gender you can choose the gender of non— you can choose the gender of non oniii. — you can choose the gender of your child. that's— you can choose the gender of your child. that's that's iiiogoi— your child. that's that's iiiogoi in— your child. that's that's illegal in britain for good reason. same— illegal in britain for good reason. same as it was in china nnono— reason. same as it was in china nnono ioono— reason. same as it was in china where people were— reason. same as it was in china where people were terminated , where people were terminated, ooning — where people were terminated, ooning ino — where people were terminated, ooning ino nnong— where people were terminated, saying the wrong gender. so it o non— saying the wrong gender. so it was a very encouraged to have iono— was a very encouraged to have iono. non— was a very encouraged to have iono. non inon— was a very encouraged to have boys, you know, for the sort of ino— boys, you know, for the sort of no inooiigo— boys, you know, for the sort of no inooiigo ogo— boys, you know, for the sort of the prestige age. and then we o noni— the prestige age. and then we saw a trend now— the prestige age. and then we saw a trend now in western ioono— saw a trend now in western people choosing— saw a trend now in western people choosing to have girls , people choosing to have girls, inon— people choosing to have girls, inon ininn— people choosing to have girls, they think girls— people choosing to have girls, they think girls have a better noncon— they think girls have a better oonoon in— they think girls have a better chance in life.— they think girls have a better chance in life. society is set

up chance in life. society is set no io— chance in life. society is set no io io— chance in life. society is set no to io nono— chance in life. society is set up to be more favourable towards ginn— up to be more favourable towards ginio. iiionoi— up to be more favourable towards girls. liberal western women and ionnon— girls. liberal western women and ionnon no— girls. liberal western women and partners are choosing ostensibly if partners are choosing ostensibly ii inon— partners are choosing ostensibly ii inon on— partners are choosing ostensibly ii inon io— partners are choosing ostensibly if they can, to have girls over iono. — if they can, to have girls over iono. i— if they can, to have girls over iono. iininn— if they can, to have girls over boys. i think that's dangerous oni— boys. i think that's dangerous not i— boys. i think that's dangerous not i ininn— boys. i think that's dangerous and i think we— boys. i think that's dangerous and i think we should be very, non— and i think we should be very, nonn oonoini— and i think we should be very, very careful about— and i think we should be very, very careful about what we wish for very careful about what we wish ion ioono— very careful about what we wish for because it— very careful about what we wish for because it will— very careful about what we wish for because it will ultimately go. i— for because it will ultimately go. i ininn— for because it will ultimately go. i think, towards a sort of onion— go. i think, towards a sort of onion iiooo— go. i think, towards a sort of darker place where the wrong nnio— darker place where the wrong ninio oi— darker place where the wrong kinds of traits— darker place where the wrong kinds of traits or— darker place where the wrong kinds of traits or facts are out no— kinds of traits or facts are out not no— kinds of traits or facts are out not no goi— kinds of traits or facts are out not no goi oii— kinds of traits or facts are out and we get all sorts of problems nnon— and we get all sorts of problems win no— and we get all sorts of problems when we meddle— and we get all sorts of problems when we meddle with nature. oio-no— when we meddle with nature. no-no noi— when we meddle with nature. we're not god— when we meddle with nature. we're not god ,_ when we meddle with nature. we're not god , we're human. we we're not god, we're human. we ononii— we're not god, we're human. we ononii nooiooi— we're not god, we're human. we should respect genetic should respect that genetic ooio.— should respect that genetic ooio-nni- should respect that genetic ooio-ann i- should respect that genetic code.-and i find. code. yeah. and i find this a really almost a bit of a tricky one because normally i've got real on this real clear views. and on this one, little bit in the one, i'm a little bit in the middle because you say, well, you a ship of sails. we're you know, a ship of sails. we're already playing god with ivf, but ivf, it's basically just the practise of nature. egg meets sperm. we fertilise it. that's true. and pregnancy arnie, it's just basically all you're doing is a helping hand to is giving a helping hand to nature. really see nature. so i don't really see standard ivf the way that i see this. one of the challenges that i've got in and around the whole kind of situation with things at

the moment is, yes, you get your pregnancy and people congratulate you and all the rest it. and until you've had rest of it. and until you've had a and you have your ipp a child and you have your ipp checks all rest it, checks and all the rest of it, you how many you don't realise just how many things health things can be challenging with that pregnancy. it's not plain sailing in any way, but in this country you've got disability, selective termination. so have this termination. so we have this list of conditions where a person can terminate their pregnancy pretty much up until day one. in this country. and some of those reasons when you read that list, some of those reasons when you read that list , they make me read that list, they make me deeply uncomfortable because, of course, it's things like down's syndrome and you might remember a lady with down syndrome . she a lady with down syndrome. she went to the courts , i think it went to the courts, i think it was at the back end of last year and argued, there's this and she argued, there's this campaign group called as campaign group called screen as ours and she was arguing her right to live a life aslef is more, you know , whatever the more, you know, whatever the words should take precedent to the mother's right to terminate that pregnancy. and she lost a case. but she's taking it to the next level and i just find it

really interesting because everybody's wish when you get pregnant is to have a healthy pregnancy. but sometimes times that just doesn't work out . and that just doesn't work out. and i just i that just doesn't work out. and ijust i don't know that just doesn't work out. and i just i don't know what that just doesn't work out. and ijust i don't know what i'm i just i don't know what i'm trying to say because i there's a lot of people in society that have physical ailments, that have physical ailments, that have mental ailments, and i don't see those people as less than i don't see somebody i don't know that was born with a clubfoot or a cleft palate and some of these conditions that you can terminate your child. i don't see them as less than . don't see them as less than. yeah, i totally agree. and you know,— yeah, i totally agree. and you know, having— yeah, i totally agree. and you know, having been through, you know,— know, having been through, you know, fatherhood _ know, having been through, you know, fatherhood birth twice myself, — know, fatherhood birth twice myself, obviously . myself, obviously. but yeah, witnessing in this day and age maher maaroufe never say never, but witnessing, you know, those big needles going in, screening but witnessing, you know, those bigdown'ss going in, screening but witnessing, you know, those big down's syndrome, screening but witnessing, you know, those big down's syndrome, it's�*ening for down's syndrome, it's incredibly traumatic, you know, to partner go through to watch your partner go through that. and it asks really big questions— that. and it asks really big questions of— and it asks really big questions of yourself. it's ike,— questions of yourself. it's like, okay,— questions of yourself. it's like, okay, so— questions of yourself. it's like, okay, so if- questions of yourself. it's like, okay, so if we find out the— like, okay, so if we find out the wrong— like, okay, so if we find out the wrong answer, do we terminate— the wrong answer, do we terminate-it's. the wrong answer, do we- terminate-it's very, terminate this life.7 it's very, very— terminate this life.7 it's very, very 9mm... — terminate this life.7 it's very, very gruelling. and the answer smetmes— very gruelling. and the answer sometimes nature can be sometimes is that nature can be very— sometimes is that nature can be very emet— sometimes is that nature can be very emet mt— sometimes is that nature can be very cruel and maybe it's not an emttttememt—

very cruel and maybe it's not an entitlement that— very cruel and maybe it's not an entitlement that everybody can have — entitlement that everybody can have t— entitlement that everybody can have a emtt — entitlement that everybody can have a child or— entitlement that everybody can have a child or a— entitlement that everybody can have a child or a healthy child. and,— have a child or a healthy child. amt-mew,— have a child or a healthy child. and,-know,-sounds. have a child or a healthy child. and, know, sounds like and, you know, that sounds like a and, you know, that sounds like e-memtte— and, you know, that sounds like a-horrible thing- and, you know, that sounds like a-horrible thing to- a horrible, horrible thing to say— a horrible, horrible thing to set-when— a horrible, horrible thing to say-when we- a horrible, horrible thing to say when we start meddling, say. but when we start meddling, emet— say. but when we start meddling, what unintended— say. but when we start meddling, what unintended consequences are we what unintended consequences are tee—me— what unintended consequences are we—tme tttp- we going? but then the flip side of we going? but then the flip side et ttts— we going? but then the flip side et ttts tt— we going? but then the flip side of this, if anyone— we going? but then the flip side of this, if anyone watching this mes— of this, if anyone watching this mes-teem— of this, if anyone watching this has-been through- has ever been through a sttuettem— has ever been through a situation where your child has a eemttttem— situation where your child has a eemttttem et— situation where your child has a condition or is— situation where your child has a condition or is in— situation where your child has a condition or is in pain or stmggtes— condition or is in pain or stmggtes es— condition or is in pain or stmggtes as e- condition or is in pain or struggles as a parent, you know you— struggles as a parent, you know you wttt— struggles as a parent, you know you will connect— struggles as a parent, you know you will connect with what i'm saying- — you will connect with what i'm saving- t-m— you will connect with what i'm saving- tm sme— you will connect with what i'm saying. i'm sure you- you will connect with what i'm saying. : ctr» saying. i'm sure you would do anything to take that pain , that anything to take that pain, that discomfort, that condition away from your child. you would do anything you would say, give it to me. will that to me. i will take that sacrifice life, give sacrifice your own life, give that healthy life. that child a healthy life. i will the ailment, whatever will take the ailment, whatever it unfortunately, you it is. and unfortunately, you can't it's just such can't do that. so it's just such a complex system creation. and i'm to hear your i'm fascinated to hear your views home. what do you make views at home. what do you make to all? do you celebrate this to it all? do you celebrate this advancement? do you think it's good? science. it's good? it's science. it's a development . are you of the development. are you of the camp, for example, that worries 7 camp, for example, that worries ? where will this end? do you get about people get concerned about people perhaps? don't know , choosing perhaps? i don't know, choosing their says it's their gender, martin says it's illegal in this country, but should it be? should you be allowed? a family allowed? if you've got a family

of boys or whatever, and of five boys or whatever, and you want a girl, you be you want a girl, should you be allowed to make that choice? i don't tell me. gb don't know. you tell me. gb views that is how you views that gbnews.uk is how you can next up, i going can reach me next up, i am going to settle something for to settle something once and for all. question is a very all. my question is a very simple one. these so—called work issues and culture wars, etcetera , do they matter and do etcetera, do they matter and do you care about them? so keir starmer reckons apparently they don't matter . rishi sunak says don't matter. rishi sunak says yes , they do. you tell me .

hi there, i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company till 7:00 tonight. martin daubney, the journalist and former brexit party mep , keeps me company, as party mep, keeps me company, as does aaron bastani , the founder does aaron bastani, the founder of novara media. we've just been having what i thought was a fascinating conversation about a really situation really fascinating situation about a baby being born with three well, dna from three

parents all in order to try and avoid ailments, etcetera, going forward christine , you've just forward christine, you've just beenin forward christine, you've just been in touch saying your son, billy died at the age of 14, 18 billy died at the age of14, 18 from muscular billy died at the age of 14, 18 from muscular dystrophy . and you from muscular dystrophy. and you say you would give anything to have him with you today and you would have had this procedure in an absolute heartbeat? well, i've got to be honest . we can i've got to be honest. we can all sit and pontificate, can't we? the theory of this and we? and the theory of this and the theory that. but the theory of that. but actually, until anybody been actually, until anybody has been through situations , until through these situations, until anybody faced with these anybody gets faced with these kind of decisions, nobody really knows how they would react. so i'm really sorry to hear your news. christine and maybe all of these things, they are good if they can help children live longer and healthier. right. if i may, let's move on. let's talk about an issue that divides people, shall we? i mean, we seem to go round and round on this and we never really square it away. so let's see if we can put it to bed once for and all. rishi sunak and keir starmer been clashing again. the subject in time is the

in hand this time is the so—called culture wars. there's so—called culture wars. there's so different variations and so many different variations and permutations and permutations of this do you think when we say culture wars , we all kind of culture wars, we all kind of really know what we're talking about? now? work issues, trans issues, women's spaces, all these you these kind of things. do you think they matter or not? well i think they matter or not? well i think they matter to the people that i suppose that care about them. i suppose the—between- that care about them. i supposei the—between sunak i suppose the starmer between sunak i suppose the starmer is between sunak i suppose the starmer is howztween sunak i suppose the starmer is how many| sunak i suppose the starmer is how many people and starmer is how many people stout— and starmer is how many people care about-there- and starmer is how many people care about there was care about them. there was petttmg— care about them. there was petttmg eut— care about them. there was petttmg out ty— care about them. there was polling out by ipsos ahead of the _elections. - the local elections. ipsos a very— the local elections. ipsos a vem-pettstet- the local elections. ipsos a very pollster, and of very credible pollster, and of me— very credible pollster, and of the-me— very credible pollster, and of the-big issues- very credible pollster, and of the big issues for the the four big issues for the electorate, _ the four big issues for the electorate, i— the four big issues for the electorate, i would say three were non culture— electorate, i would say three were non culture war issues . so were non culture war issues. so it were non culture war issues. so tt wes— were non culture war issues. so it was inflation.— were non culture war issues. so it was inflation. nhs energy mtees— it was inflation. nhs energy pmes mt— it was inflation. nhs energy prices and then— it was inflation. nhs energy prices and then fourth was mtgmttem— prices and then fourth was migration immigration, which i met— migration immigration, which i ttmt ts— migration immigration, which i ttmt ts e— migration immigration, which i ttmt ts a very— migration immigration, which i think is a very cultural issue in think is a very cultural issue m tms— think is a very cultural issue in this country,— think is a very cultural issue in this country, left, right tusse— in this country, left, right . se— in this country, left, right issue . so three- in this country, left, right issue . so three of those four issue. so three of those four very— issue. so three of those four issues are very economic , very issues are very economic, very metertet— issues are very economic, very metettet, mt— issues are very economic, very metettet, mt .— issues are very economic, very material, and i think seeing met— material, and i think seeing that makes— material, and i think seeing that makes me— material, and i think seeing that makes me kind of and look, i that makes me kind of and look, . mew— that makes me kind of and look, . mew tetr— that makes me kind of and look, i know keir starmer fan, but i met— i know keir starmer fan, but i think there's— i know keir starmer fan, but i think there's probably some wtstem— think there's probably some wisdom that— think there's probably some wisdom that right now in 2023, men— wisdom that right now in 2023, gtvem whet-s— wisdom that right now in 2023, given what's happened with mttettem— given what's happened with inflation, given— given what's happened with inflation, given what's happening— inflation, given what's

happening with energy prices, teet— happening with energy prices, food inflation— happening with energy prices, food inflation is— happening with energy prices, food inflation is 20. i wonder tem— food inflation is 20. i wonder how mem— food inflation is 20. i wonder how many people care about this stutt. — how many people care about this stutt. t-m— how many people care about this stutt. t-m sme— how many people care about this stuff. i'm sure a— how many people care about this stuff. i'm sure a big— how many people care about this stuff. i'm sure a big part of me— stuff. i'm sure a big part of the conservative- stuff. i'm sure a big part of the conservative party base tees.— the conservative party base tees. amt— the conservative party base tees. amt tt— the conservative party base does. and if you— the conservative party base does. and if you want to win a generat— does. and if you want to win a general election— does. and if you want to win a general election as a conservative, you probably have to conservative, you probably have tee—stutte- to say something quite significant— to say something quite- significant—issues to say something quite- significant_issues . significant about these issues. eut— significant about these issues. tut-smtme— significant about these issues. but-swing voters- significant about these issues. but swing voters , it's but for the swing voters, it's mett— but for the swing voters, it's mm te— but for the swing voters, it's mm to set. — but for the swing voters, it's hard to say. and— but for the swing voters, it's hard to say. and also for those tes— hard to say. and also for those vetes te— hard to say. and also for those vetes te vee— hard to say. and also for those voters, do you care— hard to say. and also for those voters, do you care about them ? voters, do you care about them? these— voters, do you care about them? these tssues— voters, do you care about them? these issues, you'd— voters, do you care about them? these issues, you'd have to go on these issues, you'd have to go emltssue— these issues, you'd have to go emltssue ev— these issues, you'd have to go on.issue by issue- these issues, you'd have to go on issue by issue basis as on an issue by issue basis as wet — on an issue by issue basis as wet tet— on an issue by issue basis as well. for example,- on an issue by issue basis as well. for example, all this conversation rights conversation about trans rights and women's spaces, etcetera . and women's spaces, etcetera. does that matter to you? well i care about people's civil liberties. and there's care about people's civil liberties . and there's clearly a liberties. and there's clearly a mete-s— liberties. and there's clearly a there's competing— c and there's clearly a there's competing demands there in there's competing demands there m terms— there's competing demands there m tevms et— there's competing demands there in terms of civil— there's competing demands there in terms of civil liberties. i. mean,-as.affects in terms of civil liberties. i- mean,-as.affects my mean, insomuch as it affects my life'— mean, insomuch as it affects my life, etvteustv— mean, insomuch as it affects my life, obviously-to- life, obviously i'm going to care more about- life, obviously i'm going to care more about inflation in eests— care more about inflation in eests et— care more about inflation in eests et tem— care more about inflation in costs of rent nhs, because it teesm-t— costs of rent nhs, because it doesn't affect— costs of rent nhs, because it doesn't affect me. and i suppose met-s— doesn't affect me. and i suppose met-s veettv— doesn't affect me. and i suppose that's really what— doesn't affect me. and i suppose that's really what i'm saying he...— that's really what i'm saying mete, ts— that's really what i'm saying here, is that— that's really what i'm saying here, is that for— that's really what i'm saying here, is that for people here, is that for most people eut— here, is that for most people eut mete,— here, is that for most people out there, those _ here, is that for most people out there, those issues don't meet— out there, those issues don't tmeeet—meve- impact them. they have an eetmtem— impact them. they have an opinion .them- impact them. they have an- opinion .them-might opinion on them and they might feel opinion on them and they might teet-stvemetv— opinion on them and they might feel strongly about them. feel very strongly about them. eut— feel very strongly about them. tut-t— feel very strongly about them. eut-t sev— feel very strongly about them. but. save m— feel very strongly about them. but i say, in 2023, when but like i say, in 2023, when vet-ve— but like i say, in 2023, when vet-ve-met— but like i say, in 2023, when. you've-high-high you've got high inflation, high energy— you've got high inflation, high enemy-they— you've got high inflation, high emevev-ttev-tel energy prices, they might be metme,— energy prices, they might be metme-t- energy prices, they might be thinking, i might be in thinking, oh god, i might be in meeettve— thinking, oh god, i might be in negative_house,l thinking, oh god, i might be in| negative _ house, in negative equity in my house, in six negative equity in my house, in stv—tve—

negative equity in my house, in stv—tve get- negative equity in my house, in stv—tve get te- negative equity in my house, in six i've got to renew six months, or i've got to renew my metteege— six months, or i've got to renew my metteegele— six months, or i've got to renew my mortgage a months, my mortgage in a few months, and it's my mortgage in a few months, and tt-s-te— my mortgage in a few months, and tt-s-te,-tmev,- it's going to be, you know, teutte— it's going to be, you know, double presently is. double what it presently is. i met— double what it presently is. i tint-eve— double what it presently is. ij think-are-issues think those are bigger issues for think those are bigger issues tev mest— think those are bigger issues for most people. _ think those are bigger issues for most people. do you care? i do for most people. do you care? i te-amt— for most people. do you care? i te-mt-e— for most people. do you care? i te-mt-e huge- for most people. do you care? i. do-and-a huge amount do care. and had a huge amount of electorate care for of the electorate care and for starmer off as an starmer to brush it off as an irrelevance as if as if talking about it, not clamping down on grooming because the grooming gangs because the majority happen be british majority happen to be british pakistani comparing that to majority happen to be british pakisofni comparing that to majority happen to be british pakisof ploughman'siring that to majority happen to be british pakisof ploughman's lunchiat to majority happen to be british pakisof ploughman's lunch should kind of ploughman's lunch should be plough person's lunch is the way that this all being lumped together. but actually at the teem— together. but actually at the teem-ts— together. but actually at the meet-ts e— together. but actually at the heart-is a hierarchy,- 3 but actually at the heart is a hierarchy, a heart of it is a hierarchy, a mevevetv— heart of it is a hierarchy, a hierarchy that's— heart of it is a hierarchy, a hierarchy that's been invented by me— hierarchy that's been invented by the liberal— hierarchy that's been invented by the liberal left which says ttts— by the liberal left which says tms tusse— by the liberal left which says this issue-more— by the liberal left which says this issue more important this issue is more important mem— this issue is more important them—tummel than that issue. so turning a tune— than that issue. so turning a ttmt eve— than that issue. so turning a ttmt eve te— than that issue. so turning a blind eye to things like grooming— blind eye to things like grooming case, it offends people is grooming case, it offends people ts e— grooming case, it offends people ts elects.— grooming case, it offends people is a.racist. not— grooming case, it offends people is a racist. not taking is a bit racist. not taking a meter— is a bit racist. not taking a proper position— is a bit racist. not taking a proper position on immigration teeeuse— proper position on immigration because we look— proper position on immigration because we look bit racist because we look a bit racist tee. — because we look a bit racist tee. amt— because we look a bit racist too. and that's— because we look a bit racist too. and that's the problem. ttts— too. and that's the problem. nets-vete— too. and that's the problem. this .woke virus,- too. and that's the problem. this woke virus, i think this this woke virus, i think mes— this this woke virus, i think has infected— this this woke virus, i think has infected it's— this this woke virus, i think has infected it's infected education. _ has infected it's infected education. so- has infected it's infected education. so we have children , education. so we have children, my education. so we have children, mv smitten— education. so we have children, my children coming home from seteet— my children coming home from school telling— my children coming home from school telling me— my children coming home from school telling me that feel school telling me that they feel estemet— school telling me that they feel ashamed _white- school telling me that they feel ashamed white because ashamed to be white because ttev-ve— ashamed to be white because ttev-ve-ttet— ashamed to be white because they're that whiteness is they're told that whiteness is tet— they're told that whiteness is test me— they're told that whiteness is bad and they're— they're told that whiteness is bad and they're part of an eeevesstve— bad and they're part of an oppressive, systemic problem. it depresses— oppressive, systemic problem. it depresses children— oppressive, systemic problem. it depresses children . woke is

depresses children. woke is semettme— depresses children. woke is something in— depresses children. woke is something in a— depresses children. woke is something in a different way, tetmes— something in a different way, tetmes em— something in a different way, defines our energy policy teeeese— defines our energy policy because we— defines our energy policy because we are now wedded to the wee— because we are now wedded to the ttee et— because we are now wedded to the ttee et met— because we are now wedded to the idea of net zero— because we are now wedded to the idea of net zero as— because we are now wedded to the idea of net zero as a— because we are now wedded to the idea of net zero as a religion . idea of net zero as a religion. vte— idea of net zero as a religion. we sent— idea of net zero as a religion. we sent tem— idea of net zero as a religion. we can't burn fossil fuels. so tt-s— we can't burn fossil fuels. so tt-s met— we can't burn fossil fuels. so tt-s met vete— we can't burn fossil fuels. so it's not woke in— we can't burn fossil fuels. so it's not woke in one sense, but a it's not woke in one sense, but e eetttteettv— it's not woke in one sense, but a politically accepted monoculture culture of thought eteme— monoculture culture of thought along energy,— monoculture culture of thought along energy, along education, eteme— along energy, along education, eteme eee— along energy, along education, along ts— along energy, along education, along race, is an— along energy, along education, along race, is an impervious , along race, is an impervious, mstttees— along race, is an impervious, insidious factor— along race, is an impervious, insidious factor and to brush it off insidious factor and to brush it ett es— insidious factor and to brush it off as irrelevant,— insidious factor and to brush it off as irrelevant, i— insidious factor and to brush it off as irrelevant, i think just gees— off as irrelevant, i think just gees te— off as irrelevant, i think just gees te stew— off as irrelevant, i think just goes to show how out of touch tetr— goes to show how out of touch tetv stevmev— goes to show how out of touch keir starmer is,— goes to show how out of touch keir starmer is, especially with the-etesses— keir starmer is, especially with the-etesses. - keir starmer is, especially with the-classes . and- keir starmer is, especially with the-classes. and i. keir starmer is, especially with. the-classes. and i think the working classes. and i think actually people can care about different things. so you've got your termism, i my your short termism, can i pay my bills? whatever. bills? and whatever. and of course is a concern. is my course that is a concern. is my job safe, secure, whatever? of course, doubt people think course, don't doubt people think about then is about that. but then there is also situation whereby also a situation whereby actually some these issues actually some of these issues will have ramifications for years, if not decades to come . years, if not decades to come. if they're not squared away properly , within proper debate, properly, within proper debate, respectful debate in the here and now. so as a new mum or relatively new mum, i care very much about what children will be taughtin much about what children will be taught in schools. sure i care

very much. i don't want my child going to school and having seeds planted into his brain that actually, you know, you're a boy. but if you want, you can be a girl. i don't want that. that makes me uncomfortable . all so makes me uncomfortable. all so actually, kind matters actually, those kind of matters for me very important. i for me are very important. i don't like this shift. what i think is actually the evasion . think is actually the evasion. sorry, the erasing of women. i don't like this notion that suddenly i've to be labelled suddenly i've got to be labelled a suddenly i can't a cis woman. suddenly i can't say, you know, i've got a woman's period products. i've got to say, i've got a menstruating person's products . menstruating person's products. i care about those kind of things . of i care about those kind of things. of course i care about the health, wellbeing, etcetera of my family, etcetera. as of all my family, etcetera. as a priority order. but those things matter to me as well. no, i think that's fair. _ matter to me as well. no, i think that's fair. but- matter to me as well. no, i think that's fair. but i- no, i think that's fair. but i would test— think that's fair. but i would test vent— think that's fair. but i would test vemt te— think that's fair. but i would just want to emphasise when just want to emphasise that when eeeete—tms- just want to emphasise that when eeeete—tms ttetl people are polled on this that they-ve— people are polled on this that tmev-ve mett— people are polled on this that they're their biggest issues. people are polled on this that theylike �*ieir biggest issues. people are polled on this that theylike �*16 say, ggest issues. people are polled on this that theylike �*16 say, people vsues. many and like i say, people have many tssees-tteeest— and like i say, people have many issues-biggest-isl issues, but the biggest issue is eeeete— issues, but the biggest issue is eeeete-t— issues, but the biggest issue is peepte-t sev- issues, but the biggest issue is peepte-t sev m- issues, but the biggest issue is people. i say in 2023, people. and like i say in 2023, teeeese— people. and like i say in 2023, because—really. because we've had a really eveeettemet— because we've had a really exceptional months, love exceptional 18 months, i'd love to exceptional 18 months, i'd lovei te—teeeese to know what question because all to know what question because ett-ve— to know what question because ett-ve teet— to know what question because all-we hear about- to know what question because all we hear about is all we what we hear about is vtem— all we what we hear about is vtem-eettet- all we what we hear about is when,-polled or- all we what we hear about is when, polled or you all we what we hear about is- when,-polled or.you know when, when polled or do you know vtet— when, when polled or do you know vtet-ttev— when, when polled or do you know vtet-ttev vee- when, when polled or do you know what they were asked? what question they were asked? no, what question they were asked? ne—vemtet- what question they were asked? ne—vemtet te| no, i was going to i wanted to

set—eee- no, i was going to i wanted to set—etse, tetl no, i was going to i wanted toi set—else, but it's set up something else, but it's me. — set up something else, but it's me. ee— set up something else, but it's me. to em— set up something else, but it's fine. go on. yeah.— set up something else, but it's fine. [it] ct" “43?" f set up something else, but it's fine. ctit tit" 43?" f fine. go on. yeah. because what i always found interesting is people x amount people will say, right, x amount of people this. always of people think this. i always make point. i have never, make this point. i have never, ever pulled for anything ever been pulled for anything in all i don't all of my life. i don't know anyone and i am anyone that is. and i am fascinated about who are you asking? selected fascinated about who are you asking? what selected fascinated about who are you asking? what sis ected fascinated about who are you asking? what sis itted them and what exactly is it you're asking? and i'd quickly, tteeem— you're asking? and i'd quickly, tteeem t— you're asking? and i'd quickly, though, i think— you're asking? and i'd quickly, though, i think there's- though, i think there's something— though, i think there's something important which though, i think there's soveryiing important which though, i think there's sovery quickly,ortant which though, i think there's sovery quickly,ortantat which is very quickly, look at the ttme— is very quickly, look at the time .flown. _ is very quickly, look at the time .flown. you - is very quickly, look at the time flown. you said about, time it's flown. you said about, you—coming. time it's flown. you said about,l vet—eemme test time it's flown. you said about, you being coming back time it's flown. you said about, you being told coming back time it's flown. you said about, you being told that coming back time it's flown. you said about, you being told that it'sning back time it's flown. you said about, you being told that it's awfulack and being told that it's awful to and being told that it's awful te-ev— and being told that it's awful te-ev ttts— and being told that it's awful to-or this is- and being told that it's awful to or this is plainly to be white or this is plainly vttteetees— to be white or this is plainly ridiculous or— to be white or this is plainly ridiculous or grooming gangs. met-s— ridiculous or grooming gangs. ttet-slevtme— ridiculous or grooming gangs. that's crime issue. and i that's a crime issue. and i met— that's a crime issue. and i ttmt me— that's a crime issue. and i think the worry— that's a crime issue. and i think the worry with the woke stutt— think the worry with the woke stem—ts- stuff is, as you call it, is met— stuff is, as you call it, is the wee— stuff is, as you call it, is that we're putting too many that we're putting far too many issues-umbrella.- that we're putting far too many issues umbrella. and issues under one umbrella. and eeteettv— issues under one umbrella. and eeteettv-mest- issues under one umbrella. and actually, most people actually, i think most people in tits—ev— actually, i think most people in ttts—ev mett- this country, left or right, vette— this country, left or right, would-that- this country, left or right, would that teaching white would agree that teaching white vtes—vette- kids that being white is bad smettm-t— kids that being white is bad steettm-t-t- kids that being white is bad- shouldn't-i-most shouldn't happen. i think most people that is people would say that that is a debate another day. time debate for another day. time flies having fun, debate for another day. time flies says. having fun, debate for another day. time flies says. these having fun, debate for another day. time flies says. these twoing fun, debate for another day. time flies says. these two guests, debate for another day. time flies says. these two guests not mike says. these two guests not only points on only bring up good points on subjects, they bring out the subjects, but they bring out the best of our michelle on dewbs & best of our michelle on dewbs& co. the program. co. and i love the program. well, love you, and well, we love you, mike, and everyone that's watched, everyone else that's watched, listened and contribute to the conversation thank you, conversation tonight. thank you, aaron. martin. thank you for your you guys your company tonight. you guys take a fantastic take care. have a fantastic evening. go anywhere.

evening. do not go anywhere. nigel next and nigel farage is up next and i will see you tomorrow . good will see you tomorrow. good evening and welcome- a good evening and welcome to your tetest— evening and welcome to your tetest ee— evening and welcome to your latest gb news— evening and welcome to your latest gb news weather update. vvttt— latest gb news weather update. vvttt me— latest gb news weather update. vvttt me amte— latest gb news weather update. with me arnie shuttleworth from the teet— with me arnie shuttleworth from the met office— with me arnie shuttleworth from the met office now thursday will see the met office now thursday will emettev— the met office now thursday will see another day— the met office now thursday will see another day of— the met office now thursday will see another day of heavy showers and see another day of heavy showers emt e— see another day of heavy showers emt e vtst— see another day of heavy showers emt e vtst et— see another day of heavy showers and a risk of thunderstorms. low pressure ts— and a risk of thunderstorms. low pressure ts verv— and a risk of thunderstorms. low pressure is very much still in emerge— pressure is very much still in emerge et— pressure is very much still in emerge et tre— pressure is very much still in charge of the uk's weather and met-s— charge of the uk's weather and ties eesmme— charge of the uk's weather and that's pushing these frontal systems— that's pushing these frontal systems, bringing more areas of rem— systems, bringing more areas of te— systems, bringing more areas of te mere— systems, bringing more areas of rain to more northern and esemet— rain to more northern and eastern areas— rain to more northern and eastern areas of the country ttreeet— eastern areas of the country through wednesday evening and into tomorrow— through wednesday evening and into tomorrow as— through wednesday evening and into tomorrow as well. so we'll stert— into tomorrow as well. so we'll stert vett— into tomorrow as well. so we'll start we'll continue to see that rem— start we'll continue to see that rain across northern ireland and vesemt— rain across northern ireland and vesemt eerts— rain across northern ireland and western parts of— rain across northern ireland and western parts of scotland from met— western parts of scotland from the tent — western parts of scotland from that front. showers from the that front. but showers from the day that front. but showers from the tev vit— that front. but showers from the tev vttt stert— that front. but showers from the day will start to _ that front. but showers from the day will start to fade away, theret— day will start to fade away, meters ttsev— day will start to fade away, though they could linger a ttttte— though they could linger a little while— though they could linger a little while for— though they could linger a little while for the likes of test— little while for the likes of test anette— little while for the likes of east anglia and other south esemet— east anglia and other south eastern areas.— east anglia and other south eastern areas. but for many it vit— eastern areas. but for many it wit-try— eastern areas. but for many it vttt-trv mett— eastern areas. but for many it will dry night and a dry will be a dry night and a dry stert— will be a dry night and a dry stert te— will be a dry night and a dry start to thursday— will be a dry night and a dry start to thursday with some low stert— start to thursday with some low eteet ttmeerme— start to thursday with some low cloud lingering across the high greenes— cloud lingering across the high ereemts et— cloud lingering across the high grounds of parts— cloud lingering across the high grounds of parts of the midlands and grounds of parts of the midlands emt ttreeet— grounds of parts of the midlands and through the— grounds of parts of the midlands and through the rest of thursday , vett— and through the rest of thursday , ve-tt see— and through the rest of thursday , we'll see some— and through the rest of thursday , we'll see some sunshine testme— , we'll see some sunshine lasting through- , we'll see some sunshine lasting through central and seettem— lasting through central and southern areas— lasting through central and southern areas of england and across northwestern and southern eerts— across northwestern and southern eerts et— across northwestern and southern parts of scotland. _ across northwestern and southern parts of scotland. but very

eetettv— parts of scotland. but very eetettv .— parts of scotland. but very eetettv , vee— parts of scotland. but very quickly , you can notice these quickly, you can notice these stevvers— quickly, you can notice these showers starting— quickly, you can notice these showers starting to break out erst— showers starting to break out erst-gette— showers starting to break out ere-eetrelte- showers starting to break out and going be quite and they're going to be quite teevv— and they're going to be quite teevv-testme- and they're going to be quite heavy, lasting showers , a heavy, long lasting showers, a turmer— heavy, long lasting showers, a tertter-et— heavy, long lasting showers, a further of thunderstorms further risk of thunderstorms evev— further risk of thunderstorms evev trem — further risk of thunderstorms evev trem env— further risk of thunderstorms away from any showers. when you do away from any showers. when you te eet— away from any showers. when you te get me— away from any showers. when you do get the sunshine, it will teet— do get the sunshine, it will teet-ttets- do get the sunshine, it will feel- highs of- do get the sunshine, it will feel- highs of 17- do get the sunshine, it will feel highs of 17 or 18 feel warm. highs of 17 or 18 degrees.— feel warm. highs of 17 or 18 degrees me— feel warm. highs of 17 or 18 degrees. the showers are likely test— degrees. the showers are likely test tete— degrees. the showers are likely test mte tte— degrees. the showers are likely last into the rush— degrees. the showers are likely last into the rush hour across esemet— last into the rush hour across eastern areas. and then across the— eastern areas. and then across the southwest— eastern areas. and then across the southwest as— eastern areas. and then across the southwest as well . but for the southwest as well. but for men,— the southwest as well. but for martyr tt— the southwest as well. but for martyr tt vit— the southwest as well. but for many, it will turn— the southwest as well. but for many, it will turn drier and men— many, it will turn drier and then me— many, it will turn drier and then the winds— many, it will turn drier and then the winds will shift to an eestertv— then the winds will shift to an eestertv tree— then the winds will shift to an easterly drag in— then the winds will shift to an easterly drag in this low cloud trem— easterly drag in this low cloud trem tte— easterly drag in this low cloud from the north— easterly drag in this low cloud from the north sea, bringing mem— from the north sea, bringing merv et— from the north sea, bringing merv et es— from the north sea, bringing many of us quite a misty and merry— many of us quite a misty and mmtv mett— many of us quite a misty and mmtv mtett er— many of us quite a misty and murky night on thursday night. temtereteres— murky night on thursday night. temperatures still around eveeee— temperatures still around eveeee ter— temperatures still around average for the time of year, tet— average for the time of year, tut mere— average for the time of year, but there could— average for the time of year, but there could be quite a lot of but there could be quite a lot et trtzzte— but there could be quite a lot et trtzzte .— but there could be quite a lot of drizzle , especially over any of drizzle, especially over any met— of drizzle, especially over any high treme— of drizzle, especially over any high ground tv— of drizzle, especially over any high ground by the time we get hiin ground by the time we get to high ground by the time we get te trttev— high ground by the time we get to friday morning— high ground by the time we get to friday morning, high ground by the time we get to friday morning , the cloud to friday morning, the cloud vit— to friday morning, the cloud vttt tem— to friday morning, the cloud will burn back— to friday morning, the cloud will burn back across western areas in particular. so for much of areas in particular. so for much et vetes— areas in particular. so for much et vvetes tte — areas in particular. so for much of wales, the south—west and terttem— of wales, the south—west and northern ireland— of wales, the south—west and northern ireland too, we'll see a northern ireland too, we'll see e 900d_ northern ireland too, we'll see e good mem— northern ireland too, we'll see a good amount of— northern ireland too, we'll see a good amount of sunshine from the vert— a good amount of sunshine from the were 90— a good amount of sunshine from the were 90 em— a good amount of sunshine from the word go on friday. and then as the word go on friday. and then es ve teet— the word go on friday. and then as we head through to the weekend— as we head through to the veetemt .— as we head through to the weekend , many areas will see weekend, many areas will see smstme— weekend, many areas will see some sunshine through saturday vttt— some sunshine through saturday vttt mere— some sunshine through saturday with more rain— some sunshine through saturday with more rain arriving from the

vest— with more rain arriving from the vest er— with more rain arriving from the vest err smete.— with more rain arriving from the west on sunday. i'll see you teter— west on sunday. i'll see you teter .—

the archbishop of canterbury gees— the archbishop of canterbury gees tetttteet— the archbishop of canterbury goes political today in the teese— goes political today in the teese et— goes political today in the house of lords,- goes political today in the house of lords, criticising the government's— house of lords, criticising the government's illegal migration tttt. — government's illegal migration tttt. tev— government's illegal migration bill. how many— government's illegal migration bill. how many millions more does he want to see cross the engush does he want to see cross the english channel? as donald trump receives a conviction in a civil court in new york for sexual assault, we ask how much damage will this or will this not do to his campaign ? and as we go on his campaign? and as we go on and think about doctors , does it and think about doctors, does it make sense to get a five year degree at a university or would it be more practical and sensible to start working on the wards as apprentices? all of that and much more coming