the archbishop of canterbury goes— the archbishop of canterbury goes political— the archbishop of canterbury goes political today in the house— goes political today in the house of— goes political today in the house of lords,- goes political today in the house of lords, criticising the government's— house of lords, criticising the government's illegal migration mu. — government's illegal migration mu. how— government's illegal migration bill. how many— government's illegal migration bill. how many millions more does he want to see cross the engush does he want to see cross the english channel? as donald trump receives a conviction in a civil court in new york for sexual assault, we ask how much damage will this or will this not do to his campaign ? and as we go on his campaign? and as we go on and think about doctors , does it and think about doctors, does it make sense to get a five year degree at a university or would it be more practical and sensible to start working on the wards as apprentices? all of that and much more coming up

after the news with polly middlehurst . nigel thank you. middlehurst. nigel thank you. good evening. the top story on gb good evening. the top story on ea news— good evening. the top story on gb news tonight,— good evening. the top story on gb news tonight, jacob rees—mogg has criticised— gb news tonight, jacob rees—mogg has criticised the— gb news tonight, jacob rees—mogg has criticised the prime minister— has criticised the prime minister over- has criticised the prime minister over scrapping plans to remove thousands— minister over scrapping plans to remove thousands of european union— remove thousands of european union tows— remove thousands of european union tons .— remove thousands of european union laws . the— remove thousands of european union laws. the former remove thousands of european union laws . the former cabinet union laws. the former cabinet minister— union laws. the former cabinet minister says— union laws. the former cabinet minister says rishi sunak has onnooooo— minister says rishi sunak has shredded his— minister says rishi sunak has shredded his own promise after he shredded his own promise after no u—nnnnoo— shredded his own promise after he u—turned on— shredded his own promise after he u—turned on a— shredded his own promise after he u—turned on a pledge to eliminate— he u—turned on a pledge to eliminate them— he u—turned on a pledge to eliminate them all by the end of the eliminate them all by the end of one year. — eliminate them all by the end of the year. earlier— eliminate them all by the end of the year. earlier the business secretory,— the year. earlier the business secretary, kemi_ the year. earlier the business secretary, kemi badenoch, said only— secretary, kemi badenoch, said only around— secretary, kemi badenoch, said only around 600— secretary, kemi badenoch, said only around 600 out of 4800 laws nonto— only around 600 out of 4800 laws would no— only around 600 out of 4800 laws would now be revoked under the nonunou— would now be revoked under the nonunou nu— would now be revoked under the retained eu law— would now be revoked under the retained eu law bill that's due, she retained eu law bill that's due, one onu— retained eu law bill that's due, one sun, no— retained eu law bill that's due, she said, to the— retained eu law bill that's due, she said, to the risks of legal unoonunny— she said, to the risks of legal uncertainty if— she said, to the risks of legal uncertainty if they were automatically scrapped . well, as automatically scrapped. well, as youo— automatically scrapped. well, as youo noon— automatically scrapped. well, as you've been hearing , the you've been hearing, the anonnnnoo— you've been hearing, the archbishop of— you've been hearing, the archbishop of canterbury has oonuonnou— archbishop of canterbury has condemned the— archbishop of canterbury has condemned the government's illegal— condemned the government's illegal migration bill in a rare intervention— illegal migration bill in a rare intervention in— illegal migration bill in a rare intervention in the house of nouns.— intervention in the house of nonn- uno— intervention in the house of lords. the controversial legislation _ lords. the controversial legislation aims to detain and promptly— legislation aims to detain and promptly nonovo— legislation aims to detain and promptly remove migrants who in— promptly remove migrants who in one— promptly remove migrants who arrive in the uk—

promptly remove migrants who arrive in the uk in small boats. it arrive in the uk in small boats. n uno— arrive in the uk in small boats. u also looks— arrive in the uk in small boats. it also looks to— arrive in the uk in small boats. it also looks to limit the annoy— it also looks to limit the annoy on— it also looks to limit the ability of the _ it also looks to limit the ability of the european court of human— ability of the european court of human nonn— ability of the european court of human rights to— ability of the european court of human rights to prevent the oopononon— human rights to prevent the deportation of— human rights to prevent the deportation of asylum seekers . deportation of asylum seekers. downing— deportation of asylum seekers. downing street— deportation of asylum seekers. downing street says the bill is compassionate— downing street says the bill is compassionate and fair , but compassionate and fair, but justin— compassionate and fair, but uuonn nono— compassionate and fair, but justin welby says it treats migrants— justin welby says it treats nngnnn oo— justin welby says it treats migrants as invaders. e migrants as invaders. it is a unen— migrants as invaders. it is a snoou nu.— migrants as invaders. it is a siloed bill, not— migrants as invaders. it is a siloed bill, not a— migrants as invaders. it is a siloed bill, not a whole of government bill. it does not draw in conflict management and prevention , which drives prevention, which drives migration . it does not draw in migration. it does not draw in climate impacts which drive migration and conflict . it is migration and conflict. it is isolationist . it migration and conflict. it is isolationist. it is morally unaccept , stable and politically unaccept, stable and politically empowered . article well, in empowered. article well, in other news today, - nzi; ”cc ' a cent; well, in other news today, interest rates are now expected— other news today, interest rates are now expected to rise again unn— are now expected to rise again nnn nook— are now expected to rise again nnn week on— are now expected to rise again this week as inflation remains high- — this week as inflation remains high- nun-o— this week as inflation remains high. that's according to some ooononnn— high. that's according to some economists. experts are believing— economists. experts are believing that the base rate unu— believing that the base rate nil no— believing that the base rate nil ny— believing that the base rate will rise by 0.25% to 4.5. that would— will rise by 0.25% to 4.5. that would no— will rise by 0.25% to 4.5. that would no do— will rise by 0.25% to 4.5. that would be the 12th— will rise by 0.25% to 4.5. that would be the 12th consecutive no— would be the 12th consecutive dw— would be the 12th consecutive by do— would be the 12th consecutive rise by the central bank and now— rise by the central bank and now do—

rise by the central bank and mark the highest level since zoos. — mark the highest level since zoos. any— mark the highest level since 2008. any rise— mark the highest level since 2008. any rise will make loans and— 2008. any rise will make loans and nongugoo— 2008. any rise will make loans and mortgages more expensive . and mortgages more expensive. mennon— and mortgages more expensive. wonders on— and mortgages more expensive. members of the— and mortgages more expensive. members of the public and commercial— members of the public and commercial services union have wond— commercial services union have voted lo— commercial services union have voted do one— commercial services union have voted to renew their mandate to loop— voted to renew their mandate to loop downd— voted to renew their mandate to keep taking industrial action for i...— keep taking industrial action for one new— keep taking industrial action for the next six— keep taking industrial action for the next six months. the decision— for the next six months. the decision comes— for the next six months. the decision comes as other civil servants— decision comes as other civil servants belonging to the wooded— servants belonging to the prospect union began a new wolloul— prospect union began a new wolloul ln— prospect union began a new walkout in their— prospect union began a new walkout in their long running depute— walkout in their long running dlopule oven— walkout in their long running dispute over pay, jobs and redundancy— dispute over pay, jobs and redundancy terms. and that followe— redundancy terms. and that follows the— redundancy terms. and that follows the government's 4.5% pav— follows the government's 4.5% pow nee— follows the government's 4.5% pow onen— follows the government's 4.5% pay rise offer which the union edd— pay rise offer which the union odd would— pay rise offer which the union said would further erode living standards— said would further erode living standards .— said would further erode living standards . and— said would further erode living standards . and finally, the standards. and finally, the punllenen— standards. and finally, the publisher of— standards. and finally, the publisher of the mirror newspaper— publisher of the mirror newspaper has unreservedly apologised— newspaper has unreservedly ooologloedlo— newspaper has unreservedly apologised to the duke of sussex for unlawful— apologised to the duke of sussex for unlawful information golnennd— for unlawful information golnenng ol— for unlawful information gathering at the start of a high coun— gathering at the start of a high coun wol— gathering at the start of a high court trial over— gathering at the start of a high court trial over alleged phone necking— court trial over alleged phone noollnd .— court trial over alleged phone hacking . mirror— court trial over alleged phone hacking . mirror group newspapers hacking. mirror group newspapers odnlned— hacking. mirror group newspapers admitted prince— hacking. mirror group newspapers admitted prince harry's legal onollende— admitted prince harry's legal challenge warranted compensation. the tabloid newspaper— compensation. the tabloid newspaper also promised nonowoun— newspaper also promised behaviour would never be repealed— behaviour would never be repealed .— behaviour would never be repeated . other high profile repeated. other high profile oldnonn— repeated. other high profile claimants involved in the trial include— claimants involved in the trial include former— claimants involved in the trial include former girls aloud

unden— include former girls aloud olngen cnewl— include former girls aloud singer cheryl. the estate of george— singer cheryl. the estate of george michael— singer cheryl. the estate of george michael and the footballer— george michael and the footballer ian- george michael and the footballer ian wright . you're up footballer ian wright. you're up to footballer ian wright. you're up do dole— footballer ian wright. you're up do dole on— footballer ian wright. you're up do dole on w— footballer ian wright. you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and— to date on tv online dab+ radio and one— to date on tv online dab+ radio and one lune— to date on tv online dab+ radio and the tune in— to date on tv online dab+ radio and the tune in app. this is gb wows,— and the tune in app. this is gb news, britain's— and the tune in app. this is gb news, britain's news . news, britain's news. channel no— news, britain's news. channel the archbishop— news, britain's news. channel the archbishop of canterbury, justin— the archbishop of canterbury, justin welnw— the archbishop of canterbury, justin welby, did a perfectly good— justin welby, did a perfectly good ion— justin welby, did a perfectly good job in— justin welby, did a perfectly good job in the— justin welby, did a perfectly good job in the abbey during the coronation— good job in the abbey during the coronation on— good job in the abbey during the coronation on saturday, but today— coronation on saturday, but today no— coronation on saturday, but lodow no woe— coronation on saturday, but today he was in— coronation on saturday, but today he was in the house of loude— today he was in the house of lords and— today he was in the house of lords and all— today he was in the house of lords and all too— today he was in the house of lords and all too predictably , lords and all too predictably, as lords and all too predictably, do one— lords and all too predictably, do one loude— lords and all too predictably, as the lords debated the government's— as the lords debated the government's illegal migration bill government's illegal migration loll cone— government's illegal migration llll ug— government's illegal migration bill came up with some very elong— bill came up with some very strong criticisms— bill came up with some very strong criticisms of the government. - strong criticisms of the government. lint; strong criticisms of the government. strong criticisms of the - government. here's just a short segment of what he had to say. it ignores the reality that nlgnollon— it ignores the reality that migration must be engaged with at source as well— migration must be engaged with at source as well as in the cnonnel— at source as well as in the cnonnel oe— at source as well as in the channel as if— at source as well as in the channel as if we- at source as well as in the channel as if we as a country were unrelated— channel as if we as a country were unrelated to— channel as if we as a country were unrelated to the rest of

we— were unrelated to the rest of do world. — were unrelated to the rest of do world. ll— were unrelated to the rest of the world. it is— were unrelated to the rest of the world. it is a— were unrelated to the rest of the world. it is a siloed bill, nol— the world. it is a siloed bill, nol o— the world. it is a siloed bill, nol o wnole— the world. it is a siloed bill, not a whole of— the world. it is a siloed bill, not a whole of government. bill it not a whole of government. bill ll does— not a whole of government. bill ll doee nol— not a whole of government. bill it does not draw— not a whole of government. bill it does not draw in— not a whole of government. bill it does not draw in conflict nonogenenl— it does not draw in conflict management and prevention, which dwel— management and prevention, which drives migration.— management and prevention, which drives migration. it— management and prevention, which drives migration. it does not drow— drives migration. it does not draw ln— drives migration. it does not draw in climate— drives migration. it does not draw in climate impacts which due— draw in climate impacts which drive migration— draw in climate impacts which drive migration and conflict. it is isolationist— drive migration and conflict. it is isolationist ._ drive migration and conflict. it is isolationist . it— drive migration and conflict. it is isolationist . it is morally is isolationist. it is morally unacceptable— is isolationist. it is morally unacceptable ,_ is isolationist. it is morally unacceptable , able and unacceptable, able and polllleollw— unacceptable, able and politically improper article to let politically improper article to lel lne — politically improper article to let the poorest— politically improper article to let the poorest countries deal wlln— let the poorest countries deal wlln lne— let the poorest countries deal with the crisis— let the poorest countries deal with the crisis alone and cut our international— with the crisis alone and cut our international aid . will our international aid. well, he may— our international aid. well, he new love— our international aid. well, he new love a— our international aid. well, he may have a point there that it's politically impractical all the way be part of the echr that may well prove to be correct, but it archbishop surely your job above archbishop surely yourjob above all is to look after your flock, your diminishing flock in this country. and when they can't get access to gp appointments, when they can't actually manage to see their kids get on the housing ladder, or if their kids

want to rent, paying, ever increasing prices when they see their journeys to and from increasing prices when they see theirjourneys to and from work their journeys to and from work more difficult because of more traffic on the roads . archbishop traffic on the roads. archbishop it's down to a population explosion that is actually making the quality of life in this country of people poorer. and whilst the numbers crossing the channel may be only a fraction of those who are being allowed to come in legally, it's still a real issue given that access to social services and goodness me, those that cross the channel, even get free dental care, something not available to the rest of the population . so, archbishop, i population. so, archbishop, i ask you how many millions more do you think we should accept in this now, we did write this country? now, we did write to lambeth palace and asked for clarification on whether he saw an upper limit to the numbers that could come and claim asylum via this route. and all we got was a polite reply saying please refer to the archbishop's speech.i refer to the archbishop's speech. i think he is completely and utterly out of touch with his own anglican flock. i think

he's getting far too political and when it comes to the point about compassion , a word that he about compassion, a word that he raised, remember this we have in the last seven years allowed a half a million people to come into this country as refugees . into this country as refugees. and they've come in, of course, from afghanistan . then they've from afghanistan. then they've come and of course from hong kong. they've come and of course, from ukraine and elsewhere. i don't see how we can do any more than we are already doing. you tell me what you think is he right? is he wrong? farage@gbnews.uk well, joining me now is gavin ashenden, associate editor of the catholic herald . and in the catholic herald. and in former times an anglican bishop when he was part of welby's flock . but of course, gavin, you flock. but of course, gavin, you are a defector, are you not, from the church of welby ? i'm from the church of welby? i'm afraid i am. i'm a c ”l." wig] i'm afraid i am. i'm a conscientious olg-eolon— afraid i am. i'm a conscientious olg-eolol and— afraid i am. i'm a conscientious objector and also— afraid i am. i'm a conscientious objector and also a— afraid i am. i'm a conscientious objector and also a defector leoouee— objector and also a defector because we— objector and also a defector because the church of welby has

locomo— because the church of welby has become more and— because the church of welby has become more and more political, and— become more and more political, more and more left— become more and more political, more and more left wing, more and— more and more left wing, more and noe— more and more left wing, more and woke.— more and more left wing, more and more woke. and the problem wlln— and more woke. and the problem wlln lne— and more woke. and the problem with the archbishop's speech was he with the archbishop's speech was ne-uelng— with the archbishop's speech was he-using-language. he was using all the language and— he was using all the language and-ldeologw- he was using all the language and-ideology of- he was using all the language and-ideology of a- he was using all the language and ideology of a left and all the ideology of a left wlng— and all the ideology of a left wlng-.— and all the ideology of a left wlng-lwnd- wing politician. an and the lnol— wing politician. an and the reason that-is- wing politician. an and the reason that is that he reason that matters is that he doeen-l— reason that matters is that he doeen-l doped— reason that matters is that he doesn't appear to— reason that matters is that he doesn't appear to understand lnol— doesn't appear to understand lnol ne— doesn't appear to understand lnol no no— doesn't appear to understand that his his job,— doesn't appear to understand that his his job, his role, his role— that his his job, his role, his role le— that his his job, his role, his role lo lo— that his his job, his role, his role lo loll— that his his job, his role, his role is to a pastor for all role is to be a pastor for all no— role is to be a pastor for all no noel.— role is to be a pastor for all his flock. and— role is to be a pastor for all his flock. and one of the nodule— his flock. and one of the absolute basic- his flock. and one of the absolute basic tenets of that is you— absolute basic tenets of that is you don-l— absolute basic tenets of that is you don-l lole— absolute basic tenets of that is you don't take political ooolllone— you don't take political positions because your flock is going— positions because your flock is golng lo— positions because your flock is going to comprise— positions because your flock is going to comprise people on going to comprise of people on the going to comprise of people on lne-ln— going to comprise of people on lne-ln lne— going to comprise of people on the-in the middle,- going to comprise of people on the in the middle, on the the left, in the middle, on the ngnl— the left, in the middle, on the ngnl-lnoee— the left, in the middle, on the right-those-don't- the left, in the middle, on the right those don't know. right and those who don't know. and— right and those who don't know. and-ll— right and those who don't know. and-ll wou— right and those who don't know. and-if you take- right and those who don't know. and-if you take a- and therefore, if you take a pollllool— and therefore, if you take a political position, you immediately exclude anybody who doeen-l— immediately exclude anybody who doesn't_ politics - immediately exclude anybody who doesn't politics from doesn't share your politics from your— doesn't share your politics from your goolonl— doesn't share your politics from your pastoral care— doesn't share your politics from your pastoral care ._ doesn't share your politics from your pastoral care . you stop your pastoral care. you stop leng— your pastoral care. you stop being archbishop and effectively by being archbishop and effectively lw ooeollng— being archbishop and effectively lw ogeollng llle— being archbishop and effectively by speaking like this. now as the by speaking like this. now as lne logs,— by speaking like this. now as the lords, he— by speaking like this. now as the lords, he no— by speaking like this. now as the lords, he no longer functions— the lords, he no longer functions as— the lords, he no longer functions as an archbishop ollenng— functions as an archbishop offering-care- functions as an archbishop offering care across offering pastoral care across lne— offering pastoral care across the political— offering pastoral care across the political boundaries. now i led— the political boundaries. now i leel lnol— the political boundaries. now i leel lnol wow— the political boundaries. now i feel that way about him too, and yet,— feel that way about him too, and wel, l— feel that way about him too, and vet, l non— feel that way about him too, and wel, l ne— feel that way about him too, and yet, i mean, he sees this as a nonl— yet, i mean, he sees this as a moral dimension— yet, i mean, he sees this as a moral dimension . lzi; moral dimension. he seems to think that as many fit young men between 18 and 30 who want to across the english channel in inflatable dinghies via , of

inflatable dinghies via, of course, criminal trafficking gangs, he seems to think we have a moral responsibility arnie to accept all of these people . but accept all of these people. but the problem with ff but the problem with morality , the problem with morality, wlgel— the problem with morality, wlgel le— the problem with morality, wlgel le de— the problem with morality, nigel, is it's complex. i mean , nigel, is it's complex. i mean, we— nigel, is it's complex. i mean, it's incredibly— nigel, is it's complex. i mean, it's incredibly complex. not onw— it's incredibly complex. not only le— it's incredibly complex. not only do ll— it's incredibly complex. not only is it complex in terms of welgnlng— only is it complex in terms of welgnlng up— only is it complex in terms of welgnlng up all— only is it complex in terms of weighing up all the different dune— weighing up all the different ololne on— weighing up all the different claims on our— weighing up all the different claims on our morality as you dd— claims on our morality as you dld eonllen— claims on our morality as you did earlier, but— claims on our morality as you did earlier, but in— claims on our morality as you did earlier, but in terms of the ouloe— did earlier, but in terms of the ouloe ol— did earlier, but in terms of the outcome of people's actions, we— outcome of people's actions, it's enormously— outcome of people's actions, it's enormously difficult to know— it's enormously difficult to know wnol— it's enormously difficult to know what happens if you take a gonloulol— know what happens if you take a particular course,— know what happens if you take a particular course, what the outcomes are.— particular course, what the outcomes are. there's always the low—consequenoel outcomes are. there's always the law—consequence . law of unintended consequence. liz law of unintended consequence. do and— law of unintended consequence. do and we— law of unintended consequence. liz and it's quite— law of unintended consequence. liz and it's quite wrong for a nonl— liz and it's quite wrong for a moral-lo— liz and it's quite wrong for a moral-to pretend- liz and it's quite wrong for a moral to pretend that he moral leader to pretend that he has moral leader to pretend that he no sonne— moral leader to pretend that he has some kind— moral leader to pretend that he has some kind of— moral leader to pretend that he has some kind of moral, absolutist_ has some kind of moral, absolutist moral insight that olnen— absolutist moral insight that olnen people— absolutist moral insight that other people don't have when ooluolly— other people don't have when ooluolly all— other people don't have when actually all he's— other people don't have when actually all he's doing again is only— actually all he's doing again is olnoly ,— actually all he's doing again is olnoly, l-n— actually all he's doing again is simply , i'm afraid, parroting simply, i'm afraid, parroting loll— simply, i'm afraid, parroting loll wlng— simply, i'm afraid, parroting left wing ideology that it isn't the left wing ideology that it isn't lne lnol— left wing ideology that it isn't the that doesn't_ left wing ideology that it isn't the that doesn't represent a nolue— the that doesn't represent a nnolue lne— the that doesn't represent a mature the moral, ethical lnelgnl— mature the moral, ethical lnelgnl .— mature the moral, ethical insight. right.- mature the moral, ethical insight. right. because one of the insight. right. because one of do lol— insight. right. because one of the first things— insight. right. because one of the first things you do is you say— the first things you do is you say we— the first things you do is you say no le— the first things you do is you ooy we do eo— the first things you do is you say this is so complex, it's very— say this is so complex, it's very lord— say this is so complex, it's very nold lo— say this is so complex, it's very hard to know which moral woelue— very hard to know which moral values come out— very hard to know which moral values come out at the top. and

in values come out at the top. and ln lne— values come out at the top. and ln do end,— values come out at the top. and in the end, actually— values come out at the top. and in the end, actually arnie there is in the end, actually arnie there do no— in the end, actually arnie there is no christian— in the end, actually arnie there is no christian view about the neogonolllllly— is no christian view about the responsibility of— is no christian view about the responsibility of the state. wowe— responsibility of the state. we-we loon— responsibility of the state. we've been arguing this for the wnole— we've been arguing this for the whole-lifetime- we've been arguing this for the whole-lifetime .- we've been arguing this for the whole lifetime . but but whole of my lifetime. but but the whole of my lifetime. but but lne-wew— whole of my lifetime. but but lne-wew l-n- whole of my lifetime. but but the view i'm margaret the christian view i'm margaret lnolonen— the christian view i'm margaret lnolonel woe— the christian view i'm margaret thatcher was one— the christian view i'm margaret thatcher was one of the most lonnoue— thatcher was one of the most lonouo people— thatcher was one of the most famous people who got this ngnl. — famous people who got this ngnl. sne— famous people who got this right. she said.— famous people who got this right. she said. essentially, ll-e— right. she said. essentially, ll-e-lne- right. she said. essentially, it's-the good- it's all about the good samaritan— it's all about the good samaritan .- it's all about the good samaritan . if you want to samaritan. if you want to exercise compassion your exercise compassion to your nelgnloun— exercise compassion to your. nelgnloun—you neighbour, then you then you look— neighbour, then you then you look-your— neighbour, then you then you look your neighbour with look after your neighbour with your— look after your neighbour with your resources.— look after your neighbour with your resources. archbishop's your resources. the archbishop's nonl— your resources. the archbishop's mold—lo- your resources. the archbishop's mold—lo lole moral position would be to take lelugeee— moral position would be to take nelugeee lnlo— moral position would be to take refugees into his— moral position would be to take refugees into his palace and look— refugees into his palace and look-wen.— refugees into his palace and look them. beyond that, look after them. beyond that, were— look after them. beyond that, lnene le— look after them. beyond that, done do no— look after them. beyond that, there is no christian mandate to tell there is no christian mandate to loll-slalo— there is no christian mandate to tell-state how— there is no christian mandate to tell-state how to— there is no christian mandate to tell state how to behave or tell the state how to behave or to tell the state how to behave or lo now— tell the state how to behave or lo now expend— tell the state how to behave or to how expend its— tell the state how to behave or to how expend its resources. you do— to how expend its resources. you do lnol— to how expend its resources. you do lnol oe— to how expend its resources. you can do that as a— to how expend its resources. you can do that as a citizen democratically, but there isn't a democratically, but there isn't ocnnellon— democratically, but there isn't a christian template it . and a christian template for it. and nee— a christian template for it. and he's misrepresenting christianity- he's misrepresenting christianity using his office to welend— christianity using his office to pnelend lnol— christianity using his office to pretend that there is. ciel " pretend that there is. gavin, wnole— pretend that there is. gavin, whole we— pretend that there is. gavin, what's the method? i mean, let's suppose within the anglican church there were quite a lot of people saying this was way too political. is there any way of reining in the archbishop ? no, reining in the archbishop? no, no , none whatsoever. and "dz; " lg " ' {i�*d , no, no , none whatsoever. and the no, none whatsoever. and the problem — no, none whatsoever. and the pollen le— no, none whatsoever. and the problem is the— no, none whatsoever. and the problem is the problem is that lung— problem is the problem is that lung ny— problem is the problem is that during my lifetime, it's been peneelly—

during my lifetime, it's been perfectly clear— during my lifetime, it's been perfectly clear that the anglloon— perfectly clear that the anglican church is losing the dewollon— anglican church is losing the dewollon ol— anglican church is losing the devotion of the— anglican church is losing the devotion of the people who look to devotion of the people who look lo ll— devotion of the people who look lo ll lon— devotion of the people who look to it for solace _ devotion of the people who look to it for solace and— devotion of the people who look to it for solace and for a relationship— to it for solace and for a relationship with god. it's just plougned— relationship with god. it's just plougned on— relationship with god. it's just ploughed on completely regardless— ploughed on completely regardless ,_ ploughed on completely regardless , it- ploughed on completely regardless , it closed down regardless, it closed down onunnee— regardless, it closed down churches during covid. it banned lellgloue— churches during covid. it banned religious services— churches during covid. it banned religious services ._ churches during covid. it banned religious services . there was no religious services. there was no golnl— religious services. there was no polnl ol— religious services. there was no polnl ol wnlon— religious services. there was no point at which it— religious services. there was no point at which it wanted to sland— point at which it wanted to elond ug— point at which it wanted to elond up lo— point at which it wanted to stand up to the— point at which it wanted to stand up to the zeitgeist. welby nlneell— stand up to the zeitgeist. welby nlneell noe— stand up to the zeitgeist. welby himself has been— stand up to the zeitgeist. welby himself has been writing pnelooee— himself has been writing prefaces transgender books prefaces in transgender books for prefaces in transgender books lon-eonool— prefaces in transgender books for school children, for primary school children, when— for primary school children, wnlon l— for primary school children, which i find— for primary school children, which i find frankly so immoral lnol— which i find frankly so immoral lnol lnol— which i find frankly so immoral lnol lnol l-d— which i find frankly so immoral that that i'd use— which i find frankly so immoral that that i'd use the word dloguellng— that that i'd use the word dleguollng .— that that i'd use the word disgusting . there is no way of disgusting. there is no way of nollng— disgusting. there is no way of nollng lneee— disgusting. there is no way of making these people accountable. they— making these people accountable. lney ole— making these people accountable. they are financially independent, politically independent— independent, politically independent, politically independent, institutionally independent.— independent, institutionally independent. all we can do is lun— independent. all we can do is lunn ou— independent. all we can do is turn our backs— independent. all we can do is turn our backs on— independent. all we can do is turn our backs on them and say lney-we— turn our backs on them and say lney-we loll— turn our backs on them and say they've lost the _ turn our backs on them and say they've lost the plot. i'm a very— they've lost the plot. i'm a very disenchanted anglican , i very disenchanted anglican, i have to tell you, gavin, final thought. as one of our beloved late queens former chaplains, what did you think of the coronation on saturday? well, i loved it. we do pageant- loved it. we do pageant wonderfully— loved it. we do pageant wonderfully .- loved it. we do pageant wonderfully . we do it like wonderfully. we do it like nobody— wonderfully. we do it like nobody else. _ wonderfully. we do it like nobody else. it- wonderfully. we do it like nobody else. it was it was done in nobody else. it was it was done ln on— nobody else. it was it was done ln on exemplary— nobody else. it was it was done in an exemplary way. and i think

ollnougn— in an exemplary way. and i think although there— in an exemplary way. and i think although there may be problems lodng— although there may be problems lodng lne— although there may be problems facing the monarchy in the luluo— facing the monarchy in the lulule, lne— facing the monarchy in the future, the business of the day duel— future, the business of the day iuel lo— future, the business of the day iuol lo le— future, the business of the day was just to be extremely gnolelul— was just to be extremely grateful for— was just to be extremely grateful for all the hard work and— grateful for all the hard work and we— grateful for all the hard work and the imagination that eeonnye— and the imagination that everyone who— and the imagination that everyone who who was involved put everyone who who was involved oul lnlo — everyone who who was involved oul lnlo ll. — everyone who who was involved oul lnlo ll. and— everyone who who was involved put into it. and i'm very proud to put into it. and i'm very proud lo le— put into it. and i'm very proud lo lo lngllen— put into it. and i'm very proud to be english and— put into it. and i'm very proud to be english and british at a llne— to be english and british at a llne llle— to be english and british at a time like this— to be english and british at a time like this. _ to be english and british at a time like this . time like this. hear, hear. gavin ashenden , thank you for gavin ashenden, thank you for joining me tonight on gb news as well. let's turn to an old friend of this program , chairman friend of this program, chairman of migration watch . one of the of migration watch. one of the problems alp , that your problems alp, that your organisation faces , and i do organisation faces, and i do too, is that if we're critical of those that cross the english channelin of those that cross the english channel in dinghies, somehow we've got the establishment and perhaps the archbishop is the epitome in many way of the establishment questioning our morality, questioning our motives, that basically albie he's on the side of virtue and you're a very bad person . well, you're a very bad person. well, far be it to judge— you're a very bad person. well, far be it to judge myself- jg: well, far be it to judge myself as to

wnelnen— far be it to judge myself as to wnelnen ln— far be it to judge myself as to whether i'm a— far be it to judge myself as to whether i'm a good or bad. what i'm whether i'm a good or bad. what l-n eoylng— whether i'm a good or bad. what l-n ooylng oloul— whether i'm a good or bad. what i'm saying about the debate. i do. l— i'm saying about the debate. i do. l do.— i'm saying about the debate. i do. l do. wlgel— i'm saying about the debate. i do. i do. nigel and i have to say— do. i do. nigel and i have to soy lnol— do. i do. nigel and i have to soy lnol l— do. i do. nigel and i have to say that i found— do. i do. nigel and i have to say that i found what his grace edd— say that i found what his grace odd lo— say that i found what his grace odd lo o— say that i found what his grace said to a degree,— say that i found what his grace said to a degree, more reprehensible. go on. why does he reprehensible. go on. why does no lnlnl— reprehensible. go on. why does he think that— reprehensible. go on. why does he think that actually iuolllylng— he think that actually justifying an effectively encouraging— justifying an effectively encouraging those who come to lnlo— encouraging those who come to we oounlny— encouraging those who come to this country illegally against the this country illegally against lne wlenee— this country illegally against the wishes of— this country illegally against the wishes of the vast majority of the wishes of the vast majority ol people — the wishes of the vast majority ol people ln— the wishes of the vast majority of people in this— the wishes of the vast majority of people in this country who won— of people in this country who wonl ll— of people in this country who wonl ll lo— of people in this country who want it to stop— of people in this country who want it to stop up? it's costly and— want it to stop up? it's costly and we— want it to stop up? it's costly and it's unfair.— want it to stop up? it's costly and it's unfair. are you ouggeollng— and it's unfair. are you suggesting that the archbishop of suggesting that the archbishop ol conlenluny— suggesting that the archbishop of canterbury is— suggesting that the archbishop of canterbury is ,_ suggesting that the archbishop of canterbury is , in effect, of canterbury is, in effect, eneounoglng— of canterbury is, in effect, encouraging the traffickers to only— encouraging the traffickers to carry on— encouraging the traffickers to eony on wlln— encouraging the traffickers to carry on with their trade effectively? _ carry on with their trade effectively? that's precisely wnole— effectively? that's precisely what's happening. that is pneoleely— what's happening. that is precisely what— what's happening. that is precisely what it's doing. it's eneounoglng— precisely what it's doing. it's encouraging people to say to come over here— encouraging people to say to come over here because it's okay. — come over here because it's okay. ll-e— come over here because it's okay. it's morally okay to do llol— okay. it's morally okay to do lnol. so— okay. it's morally okay to do lnol. so go— okay. it's morally okay to do that. so go ahead and do it. lnol— that. so go ahead and do it. lnol le— that. so go ahead and do it. that is wrong.— that. so go ahead and do it. that is wrong. and the vast not-only— that is wrong. and the vast nap-only ol— that is wrong. and the vast majority of people in this oounlny— majority of people in this

country think— majority of people in this country think it's wrong. and as for country think it's wrong. and as or you— country think it's wrong. and as for you mentioned— country think it's wrong. and as for you mentioned at the top of the for you mentioned at the top of do program,— for you mentioned at the top of the program, that— for you mentioned at the top of the program, that 450,000 people nove— the program, that 450,000 people have come here,— the program, that 450,000 people have come here, half a million people— have come here, half a million people nove— have come here, half a million people have come— have come here, half a million people have come over the last 6 or people have come over the last 6 on 7— people have come over the last 6 on 7 years — people have come over the last 6 or 7 years. refugees— people have come over the last 6 or 7 years. refugees as refugees do you— or 7 years. refugees as refugees do you know— or 7 years. refugees as refugees do you know that— or 7 years. refugees as refugees do you know that we have also in zozl— do you know that we have also in zozl we— do you know that we have also in 2021, we accepted _ do you know that we have also in 2021, we accepted nearly five llnee— 2021, we accepted nearly five llnee noe— 2021, we accepted nearly five times more for— 2021, we accepted nearly five times more for directly resettled— times more for directly resettled people in this country lnon— resettled people in this country lnon lne— resettled people in this country than the whole— resettled people in this country than the whole of— resettled people in this country than the whole of the eu put logelnel— than the whole of the eu put logelnen ,— than the whole of the eu put logelnen , lon— than the whole of the eu put together , for they took in 2020. together, for they took in 2020. lou-ll— together, for they took in 2020. lou-ll newer— together, for they took in 2020. you'll never hear— together, for they took in 2020. you'll never hear that on the 22 never, ever on the _ you'll never hear that on the 22 never, ever on the bbc. �*fll�* ll never, ever on the bbc. will you new— never, ever on the bbc. will you new lnnle — never, ever on the bbc. will you hear that? you— never, ever on the bbc. will you hear that? you won't. - never, ever on the bbc. will you hear that? you won't. it- never, ever on the bbc. �*fll�* ll m7 you won't. it was 22. hear that? you won't. it was 22. in hear that? you won't. it was 22. ln nol— hear that? you won't. it was 22. ln leel, we— hear that? you won't. it was 22. in fact, we didn't— hear that? you won't. it was 22. in fact, we didn't hear.- m7 you won't. it was 22. in fact, we didn't hear. we nodd— in fact, we didn't hear. we need we— in fact, we didn't hear. we heard the opposite from mr llnelen— heard the opposite from mr llnelen ,— heard the opposite from mr lineker , but— heard the opposite from mr lineker , but we'll let that lineker, but we'll let that ellde — lineker, but we'll let that ellde lon— lineker, but we'll let that slide for the _ lineker, but we'll let that slide for the time being. we oooepled— slide for the time being. we accepted 105,000 people over nearly— accepted 105,000 people over over nearly 105,500 people into lnlo— over nearly 105,500 people into lnlo oounlny— over nearly 105,500 people into this country directly risk oellled— this country directly risk settled. so _ this country directly risk settled. so what planet is his gooe— settled. so what planet is his gnoe one— settled. so what planet is his grace on? frankly, i know what i would— grace on? frankly, i know what i

would ouggeel— grace on? frankly, i know what i would suggest to— grace on? frankly, i know what i would suggest to him is your goe— would suggest to him is your gnoee lleoee— would suggest to him is your grace. please stop engaging with the grace. please stop engaging with do wnue— grace. please stop engaging with the virtue signalling world of woke— the virtue signalling world of wole ond— the virtue signalling world of woke and engage with reality . woke and engage with reality. downg— woke and engage with reality. llowlng on— woke and engage with reality. wowng lln— woke and engage with reality. moving on. it's all— woke and engage with reality. moving on. it's all going- woke and engage with reality. moving on. it's all going to be okay though, because rishi is going to stop the boats. well, we'll have to wait and- lglzl lg well, we'll have to wait and see, won-l— we'll have to wait and see, won-l wee— we'll have to wait and see, won-l wee ln— we'll have to wait and see, won't we? i'm not sure that lnol-e— won't we? i'm not sure that lnol-e golng— won't we? i'm not sure that lnol-e golng lo— won't we? i'm not sure that that's going to happen. but lnl— that's going to happen. but llnl ol— that's going to happen. but first of all,— that's going to happen. but first of all, let— that's going to happen. but first of all, let me just say do— first of all, let me just say do l— first of all, let me just say that i think— first of all, let me just say that i think that suella braverman_ that i think that suella braverman really does mean it. sne— braverman really does mean it. sne wonle— braverman really does mean it. sne wonle lo— braverman really does mean it. she wants to do— braverman really does mean it. she wants to do that . i'm not she wants to do that. i'm not lnol— she wants to do that. i'm not sure that she's— she wants to do that. i'm not sure that she's getting all the oupponl— sure that she's getting all the ouppon lnol— sure that she's getting all the support that she— sure that she's getting all the support that she needs as from the support that she needs as from lne wnole— support that she needs as from lne wnole ol— support that she needs as from the whole of whitehall , the whole of whitehall, lnoludlng— the whole of whitehall, including number 10. i have to say,— including number 10. i have to soy, l— including number 10. i have to soy, l don-l— including number 10. i have to say, i don't know.— including number 10. i have to say, i don't know. but that's, lnol-e— say, i don't know. but that's, lnol-e lne— say, i don't know. but that's, lnol-e lne woy— say, i don't know. but that's, that's the way i— say, i don't know. but that's, that's the way i sense things gang,— that's the way i sense things are going, whether the boats wll— are going, whether the boats wlll slop,— are going, whether the boats will stop, look— are going, whether the boats will stop, look ,_ are going, whether the boats will stop, look , the only thing will stop, look, the only thing lnol— will stop, look, the only thing lnol wlll— will stop, look, the only thing that will stop— will stop, look, the only thing that will stop those boats is if on onlwol— that will stop those boats is if on arrival all— that will stop those boats is if on arrival all those coming in lllegolly— on arrival all those coming in lllegolly aluo— on arrival all those coming in illegally akua actually get delolned— illegally akua actually get delolned ,— illegally akua actually get detained , dealt with quickly and detained, dealt with quickly and eoed— detained, dealt with quickly and eoed . and— detained, dealt with quickly and removed . and that's not going to removed. and that's not going to noppen— removed. and that's not going to noppen ,— removed. and that's not going to noppen , wnlon— removed. and that's not going to happen , which this legislation

happen, which this legislation lnol— happen, which this legislation lnol woe— happen, which this legislation that was being— happen, which this legislation that was being objected to by the archbishop— that was being objected to by the archbishop of canterbury. it the archbishop of canterbury. ll does— the archbishop of canterbury. ll doee soy— the archbishop of canterbury. ll doee eoy ln— the archbishop of canterbury. it does say in this— the archbishop of canterbury. it does say in this legislation that's what they intend to do. well, that's what they intend to do. and— well, that's what they intend to do. and ll— well, that's what they intend to do. and if that's— well, that's what they intend to do. and if that's what's going to do. and if that's what's going lo-gleol,— do. and if that's what's going lo-gleol, you-ll to happen, great, you and i would— to happen, great, you and i would would— to happen, great, you and i would would welcome that. wnelnel— would would welcome that. whether.does_ would would welcome that. whether does not, i'm not whether it does or not, i'm not eue-l— whether it does or not, i'm not eue-l would- whether it does or not, i'm not sure. i would slightly sure. one thing i would slightly dleognee— sure. one thing i would slightly dleognee wlln— sure. one thing i would slightly disagree with you— sure. one thing i would slightly disagree with you on, nigel. well— disagree with you on, nigel. well l— disagree with you on, nigel. well, i think— disagree with you on, nigel. well, i think that we probably enould— well, i think that we probably enould le— well, i think that we probably should be pulling out of the ocul— should be pulling out of the lcnll now— should be pulling out of the echr now, no— should be pulling out of the echr now, no question . it's just echr now, no question. it's just wrong— echr now, no question. it's just wrong lon— echr now, no question. it's just wrong or we— echr now, no question. it's just wrong for the time. it's not loll— wrong for the time. it's not loll l— wrong for the time. it's not loll l don-l— wrong for the time. it's not fair. i don't disagree on that. go,— fair. i don't disagree on that. do, we— fair. i don't disagree on that. do, we don-l— fair. i don't disagree on that. no, we don't disagree on that. nul— no, we don't disagree on that. nul l— no, we don't disagree on that. nul l lnlnl— no, we don't disagree on that. nul l lnlnl l— no, we don't disagree on that. but i think i disagree with you on le— but i think i disagree with you on le de— but i think i disagree with you on is the fact— but i think i disagree with you on is the fact that that would elleolwely — on is the fact that that would effectively stop _ on is the fact that that would effectively stop the boats oonlng— effectively stop the boats eonlng. ll— effectively stop the boats coming. it won't . no, no. the coming. it won't. no, no. the puen— coming. it won't. no, no. the puen loolole— coming. it won't. no, no. the push factors and— coming. it won't. no, no. the push factors and the factors are far push factors and the factors are lol loo— push factors and the factors are lop loo gleol. — push factors and the factors are far too great. i've— push factors and the factors are far too great. l: far too great. i've never said on its own leaving echr would stop the boats any more than i said. leaving the eu would make us richer . said. leaving the eu would make us richer. but it would. it will. but eventually . yeah. but will. but eventually. yeah. but it would take away barriers to it. final thought very quickly , it. final thought very quickly, if i may. we've been chatting this week about the upcoming set of net migration figures. we

were all astonished when the last lot was half a million. i mean, the pre brexit high was 331,000 and that was against the 50 year six world war two, 2000 net, 30,000 a year. we're told the next set of figures could be even higher. yeah, let's not lolgel— even higher. yeah, let's not longel lnol— even higher. yeah, let's not forget that those _ " " lg“? yeah, let's not forget that those figures are len— forget that those figures are len llnee— forget that those figures are ten times higher than what we've got ten times higher than what we've gol oonlng— ten times higher than what we've got coming across— ten times higher than what we've got coming across the channel. vee— got coming across the channel. wee l— got coming across the channel. wee l neon— got coming across the channel. yes i mean, that— got coming across the channel. yes i mean, that is— got coming across the channel. yes i mean, that is a serious pollen.— yes i mean, that is a serious problem. and— yes i mean, that is a serious problem. and i— yes i mean, that is a serious problem. and i think they're oonlng— problem. and i think they're oonlng. a— problem. and i think they're coming. a danger, a risk coming in coming. a danger, a risk coming ln legolly— coming. a danger, a risk coming in legally, largely— coming. a danger, a risk coming in legally, largely because of the in legally, largely because of do polldee— in legally, largely because of the policies that— in legally, largely because of the policies that the government has introduced— the policies that the government has introduced that i think is going— has introduced that i think is golng lo— has introduced that i think is golng lo le— has introduced that i think is going to be something that we all going to be something that we oll eullel— going to be something that we all suffer from. _ going to be something that we all suffer from. i— going to be something that we all suffer from. i don't know now— all suffer from. i don't know now nony— all suffer from. i don't know now nony ll-e— all suffer from. i don't know how many it's going to be, but wnol— how many it's going to be, but wnol l— how many it's going to be, but wnol l on— how many it's going to be, but what i can confidently predict is what i can confidently predict le golng— what i can confidently predict le golng lo— what i can confidently predict le golng lo le— what i can confidently predict is going to be hugely more than the is going to be hugely more than do loll— is going to be hugely more than do noll o— is going to be hugely more than the half a million,— is going to be hugely more than the half a million, which itself was unprecedented, that we had loel— was unprecedented, that we had loel llne— was unprecedented, that we had last time around. _ was unprecedented, that we had last time around. when we have the last time around. when we have do llgulee— last time around. when we have do llgulee lol— last time around. when we have the figures for the— last time around. when we have the figures for the whole of 2022— the figures for the whole of 2022 lnol— the figures for the whole of 2022 that i'm— the figures for the whole of 2022 that i'm afraid is eonelnlng— 2022 that i'm afraid is something that the government is

gloeelng— something that the government is gloeelng over— something that the government is gloeelng .— something that the government is glossing over. and— something that the government is glossing over. and i would wenlue— glossing over. and i would wenlue lo— glossing over. and i would venture to suggest that that lney— venture to suggest that that lney — venture to suggest that that they are actually using the cnonnel— they are actually using the cnonnel oe— they are actually using the channel as a— they are actually using the channel as a distraction . i say channel as a distraction. i say we— channel as a distraction. i say we oloul— channel as a distraction. i say it's about time— channel as a distraction. i say it's about time that they eloned— it's about time that they started taking legal migration eenouely— started taking legal migration eenouely oe— started taking legal migration seriously as well. mehmet thank you oe— seriously as well. mehmet thank you as ever. there— seriously as well. mehmet thank you as ever. “611i; eli; seriously as well. mehmet thank you as ever. “lzlzz ellz; seriously as well. mehmet thank you as ever. “lilzz el; 4:3. you as ever. there you are. you see a country that votes for brexit, but that votes for a brexit. tory party headed up by bods brexit. tory party headed up by boris johnson, believing that immigration into britain both legal and illegal, will fall, will see a figure within the next two weeks. double all the high before we voted brexit. talk about let down in a moment . donald trump after we came off air last night received and it's civil, not criminal . but he has civil, not criminal. but he has got a conviction for sexual assault, not for rape. he was cleared on that one. what does it mean for trump? how damaging could this

me. you're listening to gb news radio . well, a fair bit of

radio. well, a fair bit of neoollon— radio. well, a fair bit of reaction to— radio. well, a fair bit of reaction to justin- ?ell: well, a fair bit of reaction to justin welby, 3el: well, a fair bit of reaction to justin welby, the alonllenop— reaction to justin welby, the archbishop of— reaction to justin welby, the archbishop of canterbury, gelllng— archbishop of canterbury, gelllng up— archbishop of canterbury, getting ”p in— archbishop of canterbury, getting up in the house of lords lodoy— getting up in the house of lords lodoy ond— getting up in the house of lords today and condemning the government's— today and condemning the government's illegal migration . government's illegal migration. bill government's illegal migration. ollllonee— government's illegal migration. bill jones says— government's illegal migration. bill jones says the archbishop enould — bill jones says the archbishop enould leop— bill jones says the archbishop should keep his— bill jones says the archbishop should keep his nose out. time to should keep his nose out. time lo overrule— should keep his nose out. time to overrule the— should keep his nose out. time to overrule the house of lords. llle— to overrule the house of lords. ll-e wnol— to overrule the house of lords. ll-e wnol lne— to overrule the house of lords. it's what the people want, not wnol— it's what the people want, not wnol lney— it's what the people want, not what they want. _ it's what the people want, not what they want. well, joan ooluolly— what they want. well, joan ooluolly ,— what they want. well, joan oeluolly , you— what they want. well, joan actually , you know, this may actually, you know, this may well— actually, you know, this may well become _ actually, you know, this may well become a— actually, you know, this may well become a major row because it's well become a major row because we prelly— well become a major row because llle prelly door— well become a major row because it's pretty clear that— well become a major row because it's pretty clear that by voting for it's pretty clear that by voting lor prowl— it's pretty clear that by voting for brexit and— it's pretty clear that by voting for brexit and by— it's pretty clear that by voting for brexit and by giving the gowernnenl— for brexit and by giving the government an— for brexit and by giving the government an 80 seat majority, people— government an 80 seat majority, people wonled— government an 80 seat majority, people wanted proper control of our people wanted proper control of bordere— people wanted proper control of our borders. nick— people wanted proper control of our borders. nick says he doeen-l— our borders. nick says he doesn't care.— our borders. nick says he doesn't care. nigel he only has his doesn't care. nigel he only has no poelllon— doesn't care. nigel he only has his position because of his uneleoled— his position because of his unelected boss.- his position because of his unelected boss. it's why people llle— unelected boss. it's why people llle ne— unelected boss. it's why people llle no eupporl— unelected boss. it's why people like me support becoming a repulllo— like me support becoming a repulllo ond— like me support becoming a republic and ending this unelected— republic and ending this unelected gravy train that not only— unelected gravy train that not only lolllee— unelected gravy train that not only lobbies our— unelected gravy train that not only lobbies our government, but lney— only lobbies our government, but lney oleo— only lobbies our government, but they also attack— only lobbies our government, but they also attack government polley— they also attack government polley. urol— they also attack government policy- nick vou— they also attack government policy. nick you are a modern day— policy. nick you are a modern doy leweller— policy. nick you are a modern day leveller and— policy. nick you are a modern day leveller and i— policy. nick you are a modern day leveller and i understand the day leveller and i understand lne eneer— day leveller and i understand the sheer frustration with the wnole — the sheer frustration with the wnole eyelen— the sheer frustration with the whole system ,_ the sheer frustration with the whole system , but i think rather whole system, but i think rather lnon— whole system, but i think rather lnon eeropplng— whole system, but i think rather than scrapping all— whole system, but i think rather than scrapping all of it, i lnlnl— than scrapping all of it, i think actually—

than scrapping all of it, i think actually what the house of lorde— think actually what the house of lorde oed— think actually what the house of lorde eed l— think actually what the house of lords needs, i think what we need— lords needs, i think what we need lo— lords needs, i think what we need lo do— lords needs, i think what we need to do with— lords needs, i think what we need to do with the lords is to replooe— need to do with the lords is to replooe ll— need to do with the lords is to replace it with— need to do with the lords is to replace it with an— need to do with the lords is to replace it with an elected olonlen— replace it with an elected ononler. l— replace it with an elected chamber. i don't see how it has any— chamber. i don't see how it has ony eredlllllly— chamber. i don't see how it has any credibility going on as it is. any credibility going on as it re. slowe— any credibility going on as it is. steve says— any credibility going on as it is. steve says the archbishop of conlerlury— is. steve says the archbishop of canterbury should— is. steve says the archbishop of canterbury should be spiritual, not canterbury should be spiritual, nol pollllool— canterbury should be spiritual, nol pollllool .— canterbury should be spiritual, not political . and finally, not political. and finally, lllonord— not political. and finally, richard says— not political. and finally, richard says the archbishop of conlerlury— richard says the archbishop of conlerlury le— richard says the archbishop of canterbury is to— richard says the archbishop of canterbury is to be congratu . canterbury is to be congratu. updoled— canterbury is to be congratu. updoled on— canterbury is to be congratu. updated on his— canterbury is to be congratu. updated on his efforts today to due— updated on his efforts today to drwe wnol— updated on his efforts today to drive what is— updated on his efforts today to drive what is left— updated on his efforts today to drive what is left of his congregation- drive what is left of his congregation to the roman colnollo— congregation to the roman catholic church. well, i have to say— catholic church. well, i have to eoy l— catholic church. well, i have to eoy l lnlnl— catholic church. well, i have to say i think he'll— catholic church. well, i have to say i think he'll do that with greol— say i think he'll do that with greol elleol— say i think he'll do that with great effect and— say i think he'll do that with great effect and of course gavin aenenden— great effect and of course gavin ashenden, who _ great effect and of course gavin ashenden, who was on with us leloro— ashenden, who was on with us before le— ashenden, who was on with us before le o— ashenden, who was on with us before, is a former— ashenden, who was on with us before, is a former anglican menop— before, is a former anglican llenop, le— before, is a former anglican bishop, is now— before, is a former anglican bishop, is now a— before, is a former anglican bishop, is now a roman catholic . oloy— bishop, is now a roman catholic . oloy lllnulee— bishop, is now a roman catholic . okay minutes after we came off air . okay minutes after we came off or loel— . okay minutes after we came off or loel ngnl— . okay minutes after we came off air last night, we— . okay minutes after we came off air last night, we saw the jean eleon— air last night, we saw the jean e jean carroll— air last night, we saw the jean e jean carroll case— air last night, we saw the jean e jean carroll case in that new worl— e jean carroll case in that new york courtroom.— e jean carroll case in that new york courtroom. and bear in nlnd— york courtroom. and bear in min, llle— york courtroom. and bear in mind, this is— york courtroom. and bear in mind, this is a— york courtroom. and bear in mind, this is a civil not not a orlnlnol— mind, this is a civil not not a orlnlnol o.oee— mind, this is a civil not not a criminal case. and therefore, you— criminal case. and therefore, you nove— criminal case. and therefore, you nowe lo— criminal case. and therefore, you have to prove or the jury noe— you have to prove or the jury noe lo— you have to prove or the jury has to decide— you have to prove or the jury has to decide on— you have to prove or the jury has to decide on the balance of prolollllly— has to decide on the balance of probability motty,_ has to decide on the balance of probability motty, as opposed to beyond— probability motty, as opposed to beyond reasonable doubt. and lrunp— beyond reasonable doubt. and lrunp woe— beyond reasonable doubt. and trump was cleared of a rape

dorm— trump was cleared of a rape doln lnol— trump was cleared of a rape claim that had— trump was cleared of a rape claim that had been made against him claim that had been made against nln lul— claim that had been made against nln lul lound— claim that had been made against him but found guilty of sexual oeeoull— him but found guilty of sexual oeeoull. so— him but found guilty of sexual assault. so it— him but found guilty of sexual assault. so it is— him but found guilty of sexual assault. so it is even though we— assault. so it is even though we o— assault. so it is even though we o doll— assault. so it is even though it's a civil court— assault. so it is even though it's a civil court ,_ assault. so it is even though it's a civil court , a pretty it's a civil court, a pretty serious situation, what does it all serious situation, what does it oll neon— serious situation, what does it oll lor— serious situation, what does it all mean for his— serious situation, what does it all mean for his campaign for his all mean for his campaign for we run— all mean for his campaign for we lo— all mean for his campaign for his run to attempt to be the wln— his run to attempt to be the 47th president— his run to attempt to be the 47th president of the usa? or is it 47th president of the usa? or is ll o— 47th president of the usa? or is ll o elluollon— 47th president of the usa? or is it a situation ,_ 47th president of the usa? or is it a situation , given that so it a situation, given that so muon— it a situation, given that so nuon ol— it a situation, given that so much of america now just thinks the much of america now just thinks lne oourle— much of america now just thinks lne oourle ond— much of america now just thinks the courts and the— much of america now just thinks the courts and the judiciary nove— the courts and the judiciary have become— the courts and the judiciary have become so— the courts and the judiciary have become so politicised that no one, or at least— have become so politicised that no one, or at least at least loll— no one, or at least at least noll lno— no one, or at least at least half the country- no one, or at least at least half the country don't respect lnelr— half the country don't respect their judgements? well, i'm iolned— their judgements? well, i'm joined down— their judgements? well, i'm joined down the line from the sunenlne— joined down the line from the sunshine state— joined down the line from the sunshine state of florida by loel— sunshine state of florida by loen lolel— sunshine state of florida by kash patel, attorney and former enrol— kash patel, attorney and former enrol ol— kash patel, attorney and former chief of staff,— kash patel, attorney and former chief of staff, to— kash patel, attorney and former chief of staff, to acting us seorelory— chief of staff, to acting us seerelory ol— chief of staff, to acting us secretary of defence. when trump was secretary of defence. when trump ln— secretary of defence. when trump ln lno— secretary of defence. when trump was in the white— secretary of defence. when trump was in the white house, kash , was in the white house, kash, welorne— was in the white house, kash, welorne lo— was in the white house, kash, welcome to the— was in the white house, kash, welcome to the program . first welcome to the program. first lnlnge— welcome to the program. first lnlnge llrel. — welcome to the program. first things first. were— welcome to the program. first things first. were you shocked ond— things first. were you shocked and surprised— things first. were you shocked and surprised that the president,— and surprised that the president, the former president, has president, the former president, noe reoewed— president, the former president, has received a— president, the former president, has received a sexual assault oonwollon— has received a sexual assault oonwollone — has received a sexual assault conviction ? it's— has received a sexual assault conviction ? e gliele conviction? it's great to be with you. thanks for having me.

nigel and no, not at all. i talked to the president at length yesterday. this was not something that was a surprise to any of us. and as you pointed out, this was a singular out, if this was a singular instance process instance of the judicial process carrying out a conviction or held a culpable motty statement like this, then it would be something to focus on. but i think what donald trump has shown the world, and particularly americans, is that there's a two tier system of justice, not just criminally now, but civilly . and if you now, but civilly. and if you cannot a fair trial or a cannot receive a fair trial or a judicial proceeding, it's not that donald trump's the target , that donald trump's the target, it's that you're next. and what he means by that is your neighbours, your parents, based on orient nation on your political orient nation and so gone is the universal and so far gone is the universal rule of law that we have a bifurcation in our system of justice. and as a former federal prosecutor defender prosecutor and public defender who sides of the aisle, who did both sides of the aisle, you want one system of justice. you want select lviv you don't want to select lviv system of justice. so i think that's he won't impacted that's why he won't be impacted the negatively is the polls negatively is extraordinary, isn't it? i mean, when-founding— extraordinary, isn't it? i mean, when-founding-and when the founding fathers and wnen—lron i when the founding fathers and wnen—lron uei when the founding fathers and- when_from us and

when you broke away from us and george— when you broke away from us and george lno— when you broke away from us and george the third— when you broke away from us and george the third and all of that ond— george the third and all of that ond your— george the third and all of that and your constitution in your lrllllonl— and your constitution in your. brilliant—written brilliant document was written by brilliant document was written ly-loundlng— brilliant document was written by founding fathers , you set by the founding fathers, you set up your— by the founding fathers, you set up your iudldol— by the founding fathers, you set up your judicial system based on our common law— up your judicial system based on our common law system . we today our common law system. we today in our common law system. we today ln llle— our common law system. we today ln lnle oounlry— our common law system. we today ln lnle oounlry ,— our common law system. we today in this country , very— our common law system. we today in this country , very rarely , in this country, very rarely, very— in this country, very rarely, very new— in this country, very rarely, wery rorely le— in this country, very rarely, very rarely is there public delole— very rarely is there public debate about— very rarely is there public debate about jury decisions that are debate about jury decisions that node— debate about jury decisions that rnode ln— debate about jury decisions that are made in court— debate about jury decisions that are made in court occasionally, lul— are made in court occasionally, lul very— are made in court occasionally, lul wery rorely— are made in court occasionally, but very rarely. we— are made in court occasionally, but very rarely. we for 95% of lno— but very rarely. we for 95% of do gag,— but very rarely. we for 95% of the time, trust— but very rarely. we for 95% of the time, trust the independent oourle— the time, trust the independent oourle ol— the time, trust the independent oourle ol our— the time, trust the independent courts of our judicial system . courts of our judicial system. gm.— courts of our judicial system. urn wnol— courts of our judicial system. urn wnol noe— courts of our judicial system. um, what has america done in to oorrupl— um, what has america done in to oorrupl lnol— um, what has america done in to corrupt that common law system? neuee— corrupt that common law system? neuee l— corrupt that common law system? neuee l llnd— corrupt that common law system? because i find it— corrupt that common law system? because i find it i— corrupt that common law system? because i find it i mean when you— because i find it i mean when you lnlnl— because i find it i mean when you think about— because i find it i mean when you think about it, cash himars anerloo— you think about it, cash himars amgna, lno— you think about it, cash himars america, the leader of the free world— america, the leader of the free world ond — america, the leader of the free world and half— america, the leader of the free world and half the country don't lole— world and half the country don't lole lnol— world and half the country don't take that judgement yesterday. non-l— take that judgement yesterday. non-llole— take that judgement yesterday. don't take that— take that judgement yesterday. don't take that decision yeelerdoy— don't take that decision yesterday seriously . this is a yesterday seriously. this is a very— yesterday seriously. this is a very lod— yesterday seriously. this is a very pod ploee— yesterday seriously. this is a very bad place, america is in. voure— very bad place, america is in. you're absolutely— very bad place, america is in. you're absolutely right. the destruction _ you're absolutely right. the destruction of— you're absolutely right. the destruction of our- you're absolutely right. the destruction of our due process rights and constitution is shocking and we are in a position where america right now cannot lecture the rest of the world on judicial principles and

values, because our system has been eroded over time . and you been eroded over time. and you ask what caused that? what prompted that? about prompted that? it took about seven, eight years worth of work and erosion that started with seven, eight years worth of work and ero trumpat started with seven, eight years worth of work and ero trump comingld with seven, eight years worth of work and ero trump coming downi seven, eight years worth of work and ero trump coming down the donald trump coming down the escalator 2015. you escalator in 2015. and when you go back and stitch things together like russia gate, which was chief investigator of or was a chief investigator of or impeachment, one impeachment, two classified docs, et cetera. and you fast forward to the new york criminal case where donald trump is currently being prosecuted and the civil case that discussing right that we're discussing right now. you many more americans you have so many more americans paying you have so many more americans paying attention asking why paying attention and asking why was this type of surveillance conducted ? why is the law being conducted? why is the law being appued conducted? why is the law being applied unequally? and why are judges in on it? you're right. ten years ago, i was all in on the judicial system. i was its champion and like you said, 95% of americans used to be like that. we have over time that. but we have seen over time in trump being just a in donald trump being just a target, has shown americans it's not wing conspiracy. not a right wing conspiracy. this happening. and he is this is happening. and he is showing the world that it's happening 2023, america . i happening in 2023, america. i think right . happening in 2023, america. i think right. but i don't think you're right. but i don't

lnlnl— think you're right. but i don't lnlnl llle— think you're right. but i don't think this impacts at all on his eonpolgn. — think this impacts at all on his eonpolgn. nul— think this impacts at all on his eonpolgn. nul o— think this impacts at all on his campaign. but a final quick won,— campaign. but a final quick won, coen— campaign. but a final quick word, cash, if— campaign. but a final quick word, cash, if you can. could lno— word, cash, if you can. could the republicans— word, cash, if you can. could the republicans heading into the newl— the republicans heading into the nexl eleollon— the republicans heading into the next election, next— the republicans heading into the next election, next year offer a way— next election, next year offer a woy lo — next election, next year offer a woy lo nole — next election, next year offer a way to make this— next election, next year offer a way to make this a better, lolrer— way to make this a better, lolrer ond— way to make this a better, fairer and most- way to make this a better, fairer and most importantly, more respected— fairer and most importantly, more respected system ? more respected system? aleplulely— more respected system? absolutely. and - more respected system? absolutely. and i- more respected system? absolutely. and i think in order to fix the system, you need constitutional oversight from congress to call out the agencies and departments, not just the judicial system, the doj and fbi and the intel communities that have utilised this system for political leverage that needs to be defeated first. it really does . defeated first. it really does. cash thank you very much cash thank you veryymuch indeed cash thank you very much indeed for cash thank you very much indeed lor oonlng— cash thank you very much indeed lor oonlnglond— cash thank you very much indeed for coming and being a great for coming on and being a great wllneee— for coming on and being a great. wlneeernornen—l witness. thank you. in a moment, well— witness. thank you. in a moment, we-ll loll— witness. thank you. in a moment, we'll talk about— witness. thank you. in a moment, we'll talk about the— witness. thank you. in a moment, we'll talk about the liberal nonoorole.— we'll talk about the liberal democrats. they had a fantastic day democrats. they had a fantastic doy-lnuredoy— democrats. they had a fantastic doy-lnuredoy .— democrats. they had a fantastic day thursday . keir starmer day last thursday. keir starmer reueeel— day last thursday. keir starmer reueeel lo— day last thursday. keir starmer refuses to rule _ day last thursday. keir starmer refuses to rule out— day last thursday. keir starmer refuses to rule out a coalition lul— refuses to rule out a coalition lul nove— refuses to rule out a coalition lul nowe lney— refuses to rule out a coalition but have they got— refuses to rule out a coalition but have they got it right by eoylng— but have they got it right by eoylng we— but have they got it right by saying we would only do a deal wlln— saying we would only do a deal wlln lolour— saying we would only do a deal with labour and— saying we would only do a deal with labour and not the conservative?- with labour and not the conservative? have they polenllolly— conservative? have they potentially diminished their own lnlluenoee— potentially diminished their own influence? all— potentially diminished their own influence? all of— potentially diminished their own influence? all of that in just

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establishment . well since those establishment. well since those local elections last thursday , local elections last thursday, all the talk is about coalition deals that may take place between the liberal democrats who had a very good day last thursday and between keir starmers labour . i have to say starmers labour. i have to say my interpretation , one of those my interpretation, one of those results is different . i actually results is different. i actually think many of those who voted green and lib dem last thursday would probably in many constituencies, vote labour next time round to beat the tories. i think labour are on for a majority , but what do i know all majority, but what do i know all the talks of coalition and keir starmer half a dozen times today refused to rule out a coalition. but what about the lib dems? well, i'll tell you this. you have to admire their stickability arnie they go through very good times and they go through catastrophic times and i've seen this all through my lifetime, but there's no doubt about it . the lib dems are doubt about it. the lib dems are back with a bit of a roll and they're very clever and very

good at times targeting seats. and they're going to be targeting , i don't know, 30, 40 targeting, i don't know, 30, 40 parliamentary seats next time round. they will come back into the commons with an increased presence. well joining me is sir nick harvey for the ceo of the lib dems. and of course, lib dem mp for north devon from 92 to 2015. interestingly of course, jeremy thorpe's old seat now power broking is something the lib dems may well be in a position to do. you've done it before. you formed a coalition but this is interesting, isn't it? because your leader, sir ed davey , he's ruled out doing davey, he's ruled out doing a deal with the conservatives . he deal with the conservatives. he said he would only do a deal with labour. doesn't that reduce the potential influence of your party? no, i mean it would be oonplelely— 7 no, i mean it would be completely unthinkable to have any completely unthinkable to have ony eorl— completely unthinkable to have ony eorl ol— completely unthinkable to have ony eorl ol o— completely unthinkable to have any sort of a deal— completely unthinkable to have any sort of a deal with the conservatives— any sort of a deal with the conservatives ._ any sort of a deal with the conservatives . we very nearly conservatives. we very nearly pold— conservatives. we very nearly pold lne— conservatives. we very nearly pold lne prloe— conservatives. we very nearly paid the price with our lives loel— paid the price with our lives loel dd— paid the price with our lives loel dld ll— paid the price with our lives last did it in— paid the price with our lives last did it in 2010. we did it ond— last did it in 2010. we did it ond look— last did it in 2010. we did it and look and— last did it in 2010. we did it and look and look. elli; and look and look. how are they all enjoyed it. vince cable

enjoyed it. nick clegg enjoyed it. i mean, the country benefited from a much better government anything that's government than anything that's followed since. so why wouldn't you-ll— followed since. so why wouldn't youlll ogolne — followed since. so why wouldn't you-it again? because- followed since. so why wouldn't you-it again? because we. you do it again? because we ended up absolutely hammered and aned ended up absolutely hammered and knifed by the very tories we had gone into government with. there is not a chance of that . there is not a chance of that. lne— there is not a chance of that. lne oounlry— there is not a chance of that. lne oounlry le— there is not a chance of that. the country is going to hell in a the country is going to hell in o nondoorl— the country is going to hell in o nondoorl .— the country is going to hell in a handcart . the— the country is going to hell in a handcart . the tories have made a handcart. the tories have made a handcart. the tories have made ooonplele— a handcart. the tories have made a complete mess— a handcart. the tories have made a complete mess of— a handcart. the tories have made a complete mess of just about ewerylnlng— a complete mess of just about ewerylnlng .— a complete mess of just about ewerylnlng . l— a complete mess of just about everything . i mean, in a hung everything. i mean, in a hung porllonenl— everything. i mean, in a hung parliament scenario we will vote for measures that— parliament scenario we will vote for measures that are sensible ond— for measures that are sensible ond ogolnel— for measures that are sensible and against ones— for measures that are sensible and against ones that are silly. nul— and against ones that are silly. nul l— and against ones that are silly. nul l nowen-l— and against ones that are silly. but i haven't seen— and against ones that are silly. but i haven't seen a sensible neoeure-lne— but i haven't seen a sensible measure the tories years measure from the tories in years ond— measure from the tories in years ond-lnlnl— measure from the tories in years ond-lnlnl ll-e— measure from the tories in years and think it's completely and i just think it's completely unlnlnlolle— and i just think it's completely unthinkable would unthinkable if what we would find— unthinkable if what we would find-nul— unthinkable if what we would find-but nick,- unthinkable if what we would find-but nick, if. find ourselves. but nick, if wnol— find ourselves. but nick, if wnol you— find ourselves. but nick, if wnol you eoy— find ourselves. but nick, if what you say about the 2010 to 15 what you say about the 2010 to re perlod— what you say about the 2010 to re perlod le— what you say about the 2010 to 15 period is true— what you say about the 2010 to 15 period is true ,_ what you say about the 2010 to 15 period is true , if— what you say about the 2010 to 15 period is true , if we 15 period is true, if we llnlened— 15 period is true, if we finished up- 15 period is true, if we finished up with a conservative party— finished up with a conservative lorly lnol— finished up with a conservative party that needed _ finished up with a conservative party that needed however many eeole— party that needed however many eeole youe— party that needed however many eeole you-e gol— party that needed however many seats, you've got to— party that needed however many seats, you've got to form a majoritvr — seats, you've got to form a nor-only, you— seats, you've got to form a majority, you could make that gowernnenl— majority, you could make that government slightly better in your— government slightly better in your oplnlon. — government slightly better in your opinion. 'l: government slightly better in your opinion. l: government slightly better in your opinion. ' l: g: your opinion. and therefore good for the country. why wouldn't you do that? because paid for you do that? because we paid for it you do that? because we paid for ll-llne. — you do that? because we paid for ll-llne. wno— you do that? because we paid for it-time. who paid- you do that? because we paid for it-time. who paid for- you do that? because we paid for it time. who paid for it? it last time. who paid for it? the party had a catastrophic. so the party matters more than the

country? course but country? no, of course not. but it like it . that's why we it sounds like it. that's why we wenl— it sounds like it. that's why we wenl ln— it sounds like it. that's why we wenl ln ln— it sounds like it. that's why we wenl ln ln lne— it sounds like it. that's why we went in in the first— c as c c that's why we went in in the first place. but youre— went in in the first place. but youre oellng— went in in the first place. but you're asking me— went in in the first place. but you're asking me about a coollllon— you're asking me about a coalition with— you're asking me about a coalition with labour. i don't bellowe— coalition with labour. i don't believe there _ coalition with labour. i don't believe there will be a coalition _ believe there will be a coalition with labour. think coalition with labour. i think lnol— coalition with labour. i think no lne— coalition with labour. i think do do lll— coalition with labour. i think that the lib dems would be very loollen— that the lib dems would be very loollen lo— that the lib dems would be very loollen lo gel— that the lib dems would be very foolish to get into— that the lib dems would be very foolish to get into coalition wlln— foolish to get into coalition wlln lnon— foolish to get into coalition with them either. but i think if lolr— with them either. but i think if lelr slorner— with them either. but i think if keir starmer were _ with them either. but i think if keir starmer were to pull up duel— keir starmer were to pull up iuel enorl— keir starmer were to pull up iuel enorl ol— keir starmer were to pull up just short of the— keir starmer were to pull up just short of the majority , just short of the majority, nowee— just short of the majority, davies made— just short of the majority, davies made it- just short of the majority, davies made it clear that he's at davies made it clear that he's ol lne— davies made it clear that he's ol lne olner— davies made it clear that he's at the other end _ davies made it clear that he's at the other end of the phone. if at the other end of the phone. ll lney-we— at the other end of the phone. ll lney-we gol— at the other end of the phone. if they've got some sensible measures, then— if they've got some sensible measures, then they can give us a measures, then they can give us o loll— measures, then they can give us o ooll ond— measures, then they can give us o ooll ond l— measures, then they can give us a call and i think— measures, then they can give us a call and i think we would eupporl— a call and i think we would support sensible measures, oppoee— support sensible measures, oppoee ellly— support sensible measures, oppose silly ones , but i don't oppose silly ones, but i don't lnlnl— oppose silly ones, but i don't lnlnl nollng— oppose silly ones, but i don't think making a— oppose silly ones, but i don't think making a deal all would be a think making a deal all would be owery— think making a deal all would be owery good— think making a deal all would be owery good ldeo— think making a deal all would be a very good idea because if we leop— a very good idea because if we loop our— a very good idea because if we keep our powder— a very good idea because if we keep our powder dry and take eoon— keep our powder dry and take each measure— keep our powder dry and take each measure as— keep our powder dry and take each measure as it comes, then for each measure as it comes, then lor lne— each measure as it comes, then lor lne lull— each measure as it comes, then for the full five— each measure as it comes, then for the full five years we are at for the full five years we are ol lne — for the full five years we are ol do very— for the full five years we are at the very heart— for the full five years we are at the very heart of the us . at the very heart of the us. yesr _ at the very heart of the us. wee. l— at the very heart of the us. wee. l neon— at the very heart of the us. yes, i mean, you'd- at the very heart of the us. yes, i mean, you'd hold- at the very heart of the us. yes, i mean, you'd hold the government to ransom, i suppose, and we'd have a very unstable system. i mean, very selfish of a party to do that, wouldn't it? no it's not selfish. it's preventing \ll:::l c it's preventing somebody taking no it's not selfish. it's- preventing somebody taking the wnole—

preventing somebody taking the whole scenario— preventing somebody taking the whole scenario for granted . it whole scenario for granted. it would— whole scenario for granted. it would le— whole scenario for granted. it would be good— whole scenario for granted. it would be good government of the sort would be good government of the eorl lnol— would be good government of the eorl do we— would be good government of the sort that we haven't— would be good government of the sort that we haven't had enough of sort that we haven't had enough ol ln— sort that we haven't had enough ol ln llle— sort that we haven't had enough of in this country. _ sort that we haven't had enough of in this country. i— sort that we haven't had enough of in this country. i mean, look at of in this country. i mean, look ol lne— of in this country. i mean, look ol lne elole— of in this country. i mean, look at the state of— of in this country. i mean, look at the state of things. the neolln— at the state of things. the health service— at the state of things. the health service is falling to procee— health service is falling to pee, oourl— health service is falling to pieces, court systems ground to a pieces, court systems ground to o loll.— pieces, court systems ground to o noll. sodol— pieces, court systems ground to a halt. social cares— pieces, court systems ground to a halt. social cares destroyed, lne— a halt. social cares destroyed, lne eonoy— a halt. social cares destroyed, the economy is— a halt. social cares destroyed, the economy is flatlining and ooel— the economy is flatlining and ooel ol— the economy is flatlining and cost of living— the economy is flatlining and cost of living crisis . if the cost of living crisis. if the up— cost of living crisis. if the up none— cost of living crisis. if the lib dems sign— cost of living crisis. if the lib dems sign some blank cheque to lib dems sign some blank cheque lo onylody— lib dems sign some blank cheque lo onylody ln— lib dems sign some blank cheque lo onylody ln o— lib dems sign some blank cheque to anybody in a hung parliament scenario, yes, we— to anybody in a hung parliament scenario, yes, we get a little bit scenario, yes, we get a little on ol— scenario, yes, we get a little bit of influence— scenario, yes, we get a little bit of influence at that point in bit of influence at that point ln llne— bit of influence at that point ln llne ond— bit of influence at that point in time and then it's gone. wnereoe— in time and then it's gone. wnereoe ll— in time and then it's gone. whereas if we _ in time and then it's gone. whereas if we take each measure as whereas if we take each measure oe ll— whereas if we take each measure oe ll oee— whereas if we take each measure oe ll ,— whereas if we take each measure oe ll , we— whereas if we take each measure as it comes , we can— whereas if we take each measure as it comes , we can have some as it comes, we can have some red— as it comes, we can have some reol poelllo— as it comes, we can have some real positive influence. there o lull— real positive influence. there was a full five— real positive influence. there was a full five year period. �*7 was a full five year period. if more— was a full five year period. if lnere wo— was a full five year period. if lnere o— was a full five year period. if there was a deal— was a full five year period. if there was a deal of- was a full five year period. if there was a deal of some. was a full five year period. if there was a deal of some kind to be done . what do you think be done. what do you think should be the liberal democrats, number one priority? should it be getting closer back towards european union membership or should it be a modernised version, a change to our voting system , namely pr? what's what's system, namely pr? what's what's most important? i think there that both of those issues would

be desirable, but the state of the economy, the state of the health service, the state of education, the court system , education, the court system, these are far more pressing issues , frankly, than either of issues, frankly, than either of those. and issues, frankly, than either of those . and i think that in any those. and i think that in any dleoueelone— those. and i think that in any discussions that— and i think that in any discussions that follow an eleollon— discussions that follow an eleollon ,— discussions that follow an election , if— discussions that follow an election , if keir starmer or election, if keir starmer or yoe— election, if keir starmer or onyone elee— election, if keir starmer or anyone else is— election, if keir starmer or anyone else is coming along with anyone else is coming along with a queen's speech— anyone else is coming along with a queen's speech and a king's epeeon— a queen's speech and a king's epeeon ,— a queen's speech and a king's epeeen , leg— a queen's speech and a king's epeeen , log your— a queen's speech and a king's speech , beg your pardon? and speech, beg your pardon? and loollng— speech, beg your pardon? and loollng l— speech, beg your pardon? and looking i know— speech, beg your pardon? and looking i know we're all elruggllng— looking i know we're all struggling to_ looking i know we're all struggling to adjust and looking to struggling to adjust and looking lo eel— struggling to adjust and looking lo eel lnol— struggling to adjust and looking to set that out— struggling to adjust and looking to set that out as— struggling to adjust and looking to set that out as his stall for gowernnenl— to set that out as his stall for government that— to set that out as his stall for government that we would want to see government that we would want to reolly— government that we would want to see some really positive changes of see some really positive changes ol wnen— see some really positive changes ol wnlon l— see some really positive changes ol wnlon l just— see some really positive changes of which i just come back to your— of which i just come back to your onglnol— of which i just come back to your original point. don't think the conservative— your original point. don't think the conservative lives are oopolle. — the conservative lives are eopolle. lney— the conservative lives are capable. they just do not understand— capable. they just do not understand the country. understand what the country. llnol—noweyl final thought, nick harvey. should european should we rejoin the european union day? but whether i'll union one day? but whether i'll be oround— union one day? but whether i'll be oround lo— union one day? but whether i'll be around to see— union one day? but whether i'll be around to see it,— union one day? but whether i'll be around to see it, i— " lzzl" :e7 but whether i'll be around to see it, i don't know.— be around to see it, i don't know. nul— be around to see it, i don't know. nul l— be around to see it, i don't know. but i really hope my onlldren— know. but i really hope my children grandchildren will children or grandchildren will be. children or grandchildren will loo-enould— children or grandchildren will be.-should be- children or grandchildren will be.-should be at- be. and we should be at the neon— be. and we should be at the neon ol— be. and we should be at the heart of-don't- be. and we should be at the heart of don't worry, heart of europe. don't worry, lnere—lu- heart of europe. don't worry, lnere—lu ly- heart of europe. don't worry,- there_eu by then. there won't be an eu by then. it there won't be an eu by then. ll wlll— there won't be an eu by then. ll wlll ou— there won't be an eu by then. it will all fall— there won't be an eu by then. it will all fall to— there won't be an eu by then. it will all fall to pieces.- there won't be an eu by then. it will all fall to pieces. nick harvey, thank you. well interesting. isn't interesting. interesting, isn't it? of it? you know, this kind of shadow i suspect, shadow boxing. i suspect, between labour and the lib dems will go on for a long time. but nick don't do

nick harvey says, no, don't do that. nick harvey says, no, don't do that . work on a case by case that. work on a case by case basis. gosh, that would be unstable. but very interesting form of government. now a couple of what the farage is before we move on to the next section. bristol, have decided that they will follow the lead from sadiq khan and they're going to extend their low traffic neighbourhoods andifs their low traffic neighbourhoods and it's going to be a very , and it's going to be a very, very big scheme with the installation of 12 modal filters and pocket parks and all of this as we learn that in the london borough of southwark, the price of parking permits has gone up by 400. the war on the motorist is continuing in our cities. you're all to get out there and ride your bicycles, one that we have talked about was bud light . you remember what happened? yeah. did ian mulvaney, the transgender social media influencer, was advertising bud light. and it appears is that regular buyers of bud light thought that this was going to

be the centrepiece of bud light hereafter. and the chief executive , michael ducros, has executive, michael ducros, has come out and said that misinformation and confusion has damaged our brand . this was just damaged our brand. this was just a one off and not a permanent rhiannon of the bud light brand. but it does go to show the pendulums can swing back and when they do, it can happen very, very quickly . now you all very, very quickly. now you all know that tucker carlson left fox news big speculation about what he would do next. big speculation about whether he'd be able to because of his fox contract, go anywhere else. well, he has announced this overnight . take a look. starting overnight. take a look. starting soon, we'll be bringing a new version of the show we've been doing for the last six and a half years to twitter. we'll be bringing half years to twitter. we'll be lnnglng eoe— half years to twitter. we'll be bringing some other- we'll be bringing some other things, too, wnen— bringing some other things, too, wnlon well— bringing some other things, too, which we'll tell— bringing some other things, too, which we'll tell you about. but for which we'll tell you about. but lor-we-re— which we'll tell you about. but for-we're-grateful- which we'll tell you about. but for we're grateful to for now, we're just grateful to be for now, we're just grateful to lo nere. — for now, we're just grateful to be here. - speech - for now, we're just grateful to be here. .speech is- for now, we're just grateful to be here. speech is the main for now, we're just grateful to be hethat speech is the main for now, we're just grateful to be hethat you;peech is the main for now, we're just grateful to be hethat you have�*i is the main for now, we're just grateful to be hethat you have . is the main for now, we're just grateful to be hethat you have . without ain for now, we're just grateful to be hethat you have . without it,l right that you have. without it, you nove— right that you have. without it, you love no— right that you have. without it, you have no others . see you

you have no others. see you well— you have no others. see you soon. well, that's- you have no others. see you soon. c. soon. well, that's tucker carlson and that's fascinating, isn't it? because elon musk is attempting to take twitter into completely new spaces. sounds like tucker will be broadcasting live kyiv on twitter with interactive action. my guess is , is this could be very bad indeed for fox news . and musk indeed for fox news. and musk goes on from strength to strength. and i think in terms of free speech, the man is becoming, frankly, a bit of a hero in a minute, we'll talk about whether it makes sense rather than going for five years at medical school for young trainees who want to be doctors to effectively become apprentices. on the face of it , apprentices. on the face of it, i quite like the idea

so loads of debate this week . so loads of debate this week. how can we make the nhs better and more effective? yesterday we debated the idea that rather than going to the gp for a

repeat prescription , you could repeat prescription, you could go to a pharmacist . today's go to a pharmacist. today's argument is that rather than doing five years at medical school and having to pay £10,000 a year or something like that to do it before becoming a junior doctor on the wards, maybe people could go straight onto the wards and work effectively as apprentices , but get some as apprentices, but get some payment for doing it and kind of learn on the job. well on the face of it, i find the idea rather attractive. but i wonder what daniel elia doctor in anaesthesia and critical care makes of this idea. anaesthesia and critical care makes of this idea . daniel good makes of this idea. daniel good evening. so learning on the job right ? rather than learning in a right? rather than learning in a universe motty it does on the face of it, look quite attractive. yeah. face of it, look quite attractive . yeah. nigel all attractive. yeah. nigel all i need— attractive. yeah. nigel all i need lo— attractive. yeah. nigel all i need lo le— , yeah. nigel all i need to be completely honest, wnen— need to be completely honest, wnen l— need to be completely honest, wnen l llrel— need to be completely honest, when i first heard— need to be completely honest, when i first heard about this oloul— when i first heard about this oloul o— when i first heard about this oloul o yeor— when i first heard about this about a year ago— when i first heard about this about a year ago , myself and my about a year ago, myself and my oolleoguee— about a year ago, myself and my eolleoguee eol— about a year ago, myself and my colleagues sat down and we llougll— colleagues sat down and we thought, this— colleagues sat down and we thought, this is— colleagues sat down and we thought, this is ludicrous. how are thought, this is ludicrous. how we golng— thought, this is ludicrous. how we golng lo—

thought, this is ludicrous. how are we going to devalue the name and are we going to devalue the name ond lne— are we going to devalue the name and the stature— are we going to devalue the name and the stature of— are we going to devalue the name and the stature of medicine and nedlool— and the stature of medicine and medical school?— and the stature of medicine and medical school? but actually , we medical school? but actually, we tell medical school? but actually, we loll you— medical school? but actually, we loll you wig,— medical school? but actually, we tell you what, after— medical school? but actually, we tell you what, after thinking oloul— tell you what, after thinking oloul ll— tell you what, after thinking about it and— tell you what, after thinking about it and reflecting on it, a llllle— about it and reflecting on it, a llllle lll— about it and reflecting on it, a little bit more,— about it and reflecting on it, a little bit more, i— about it and reflecting on it, a little bit more, i am , you know, little bit more, i am, you know, oonlng— little bit more, i am, you know, eonlng round— little bit more, i am, you know, coming round to— little bit more, i am, you know, coming round to the idea a llllle— coming round to the idea a llllle lll— coming round to the idea a little bit more,— coming round to the idea a little bit more, but not without oweol — little bit more, but not without oweol and— little bit more, but not without caveat. and i'll— little bit more, but not without caveat. and i'll tell you why. so caveat. and i'll tell you why. so ll— caveat. and i'll tell you why. so ll you— caveat. and i'll tell you why. so if you look— caveat. and i'll tell you why. so if you look if— caveat. and i'll tell you why. so if you look if you look at lne— so if you look if you look at lne delolle— so if you look if you look at the details about what they're lrylng — the details about what they're lrylng lo — the details about what they're lrylng lo do, — the details about what they're trying to do, trying to say that the trying to do, trying to say that do doolore— trying to do, trying to say that the doctors that— trying to do, trying to say that the doctors that are going to be produced— the doctors that are going to be produced lron — the doctors that are going to be produced from this are going to be produced from this are going to lo lne— produced from this are going to lo lne ee— produced from this are going to be the same standard. they're going— be the same standard. they're golng lo— be the same standard. they're going to .through- be the same standard. they're going to through the same be the same standard. they're going and through the same be the same standard. they're going and the �*ough the same be the same standard. they're going and the samethe same be the same standard. they're going and the same appliese rigour and the same applies deoenl— rigour and the same applies deoenl eon— rigour and the same applies decent sort of— rigour and the same applies decent sort of processes that lney-re— decent sort of processes that lneylre golng— decent sort of processes that lneylre golng lo— decent sort of processes that they're going to go through . but they're going to go through. but they're going to go through. but do prollen— they're going to go through. but do prollen le— they're going to go through. but the problem is the whole reason why— the problem is the whole reason wny nedlool— the problem is the whole reason why medical school is so dlllloull— why medical school is so difficult to— why medical school is so difficult to get- why medical school is so difficult to get into and it and it difficult to get into and it and ll pulle— difficult to get into and it and it pulls together,— difficult to get into and it and it pulls together, sort of the ol— it pulls together, sort of the cream of society— it pulls together, sort of the cream of society with more money and cream of society with more money ond poeellly— cream of society with more money ond poeellly, you— cream of society with more money and possibly, you know, higher socioeconomic— and possibly, you know, higher socioeconomic status is because it socioeconomic status is because ll ooele— socioeconomic status is because ll ooele o— socioeconomic status is because ll ooele o lol— socioeconomic status is because ll ooele o lol ol— socioeconomic status is because it costs a lot of money, lrolnlng— it costs a lot of money, training and- it costs a lot of money, training and time to get in. so if training and time to get in. so ll lneylre— training and time to get in. so ll lneylre golng— training and time to get in. so if they're going to have the same standard— if they're going to have the same standard of applicants and nedlool— same standard of applicants and medical students— same standard of applicants and medical students to actually ooluolly— medical students to actually oeluolly gel— medical students to actually actually get into this apprenticeship , then it's going apprenticeship, then it's going to apprenticeship, then it's going lo nove— apprenticeship, then it's going lo nowe lne— apprenticeship, then it's going to have the same— apprenticeship, then it's going to have the same problems. and

not to have the same problems. and nol duel— to have the same problems. and nol iuel lnol— to have the same problems. and nol iuel lnol .— to have the same problems. and not just that , but— to have the same problems. and not just that , but when we get not just that, but when we get to not just that, but when we get lo-end— not just that, but when we get lo-end ol— not just that, but when we get to-end of this— to the end of this apprenticeship, is there to the end of this— apprenticeship, is there going to apprenticeship, is there going lo le— apprenticeship, is there going lo lo o— apprenticeship, is there going to be a difference between nyeell— to be a difference between nyeell wno— to be a difference between myself who went through the lrodlllonol— myself who went through the traditional route— myself who went through the traditional route and the, you know,— traditional route and the, you know, apprentices ? you know, know, the apprentices? you know, lneee— know, the apprentices? you know, lneee ore— know, the apprentices? you know, lneee very— know, the apprentices? you know, these are very controversial lnlnge.— these are very controversial lnlnge. and— these are very controversial things. and then we think about wnol— things. and then we think about wnol le— things. and then we think about wnol le lne— things. and then we think about what is the actual— things. and then we think about what is the actual aim of this? is what is the actual aim of this? le llle— what is the actual aim of this? le lnle lo— what is the actual aim of this? is this to boost— what is the actual aim of this? is this to boost the amount of doolore— is this to boost the amount of doolore or— is this to boost the amount of doolore or le— is this to boost the amount of doctors or is it— is this to boost the amount of doctors or is it to— is this to boost the amount of doctors or is it to widen the access because _ doctors or is it to widen the access because if- doctors or is it to widen the access because if it's to widen lne— access because if it's to widen lne oooeee— access because if it's to widen lne l— access because if it's to widen the access, i don't— access because if it's to widen the access, i don't think it's going— the access, i don't think it's golng lo— the access, i don't think it's golng lo do— the access, i don't think it's going to do that.- the access, i don't think it's going to do that. and it could reole— going to do that. and it could reole o— going to do that. and it could reole o lol— going to do that. and it could create a lot more— going to do that. and it could create a lot more problems. but yeahr_ create a lot more problems. but yeon eure— create a lot more problems. but yeon, llle— create a lot more problems. but yeah, sure, it's going to create doolore— yeah, sure, it's going to create more doctors and— yeah, sure, it's going to create more doctors and different way more doctors and a different way to more doctors and a different way lo-ouee l— more doctors and a different way to-course. i mean- more doctors and a different way to-course. i mean ,. to get in, of course. i mean, lool— to get in, of course. i mean, look, you— to get in, of course. i mean, look, you know,— to get in, of course. i mean, look, you know, the argument is not look, you know, the argument is nol lnol— look, you know, the argument is nol lnol-golng- look, you know, the argument is not that-going via- look, you know, the argument is not that going via this not that people going via this roule— not that people going via this roule would— not that people going via this route would just— not that people going via this route would just work on the job on lne— route would just work on the job on do orde — route would just work on the job on the wards. they— route would just work on the job on the wards. “cg : route would just work on the job on the wards. "cg : on the wards. they would have to do academic results and exams as well. you know, but i do see your point. there might be two categories of junior doctors a few years down the road and that might lead to some degree of difficulty. but daniel elia, what you're really saying is that for people to become doctors, to get into the medical profession, begum basically

they're coming already from middle and upper strata of society . before you even start . society. before you even start. unfortunately albie this is the case and even when i was in medical school, you know, we've been trying to change that with certain schemes and plans and, and that's good. and that work's going— and that's good. and that work's golng lo— and that's good. and that work's going to continue. _ and that's good. and that work's going to continue. but- e: 3: and that work's going to continue. but the thing is, going to continue. but the thing le llle— going to continue. but the thing le lnle len-l— going to continue. but the thing is, this isn't going— going to continue. but the thing is, this isn't going to help it leuee— is, this isn't going to help it leuee you— is, this isn't going to help it because you need a rigorous lrolnlng— because you need a rigorous lrolnlng ond— because you need a rigorous training and courses and money ond— training and courses and money ond your— training and courses and money ond your porenle— training and courses and money and your parents need to sit down— and your parents need to sit down wlln— and your parents need to sit down with you _ and your parents need to sit down with you and you need to plon— down with you and you need to plon well— down with you and you need to plon well ln— down with you and you need to plan well in advance about how youre— plan well in advance about how youre golng— plan well in advance about how youre golng lo— plan well in advance about how you're going to get to the top of you're going to get to the top or .— you're going to get to the top ol , you— you're going to get to the top ol , you know,— you're going to get to the top of , you know, school to, to of, you know, school to, to oonlewe— of, you know, school to, to oonlewe o— of, you know, school to, to achieve a place.- of, you know, school to, to achieve a place. and not just do— achieve a place. and not just do lul— achieve a place. and not just do lul no— achieve a place. and not just that but now because the bar is poeellly— that but now because the bar is possibly reducing— that but now because the bar is possibly reducing in terms of the standard— possibly reducing in terms of the standard that they're going to the standard that they're going lo drow— the standard that they're going lo drow ln— the standard that they're going to draw in the— the standard that they're going to draw in the competition is going— to draw in the competition is golng lo— to draw in the competition is golng lo le— to draw in the competition is going to be greater. so if the eonpellllon— going to be greater. so if the competition is— going to be greater. so if the competition is going to be greolen— competition is going to be greater, that— competition is going to be greater, that means there's going— greater, that means there's golng lo— greater, that means there's golng lolewen- greater, that means there's going to even more of this going to be even more of this lrolnlng— going to be even more of this lrolnlng ond— going to be even more of this training and courses and whoever's got- training and courses and whoever's got the most money and were— whoever's got the most money and noere lnowe— whoever's got the most money and whoever knows the _ whoever's got the most money and whoever knows the person whoever knows the right person is whoever knows the right person le-lo— whoever knows the right person

le-lo gel— whoever knows the right person le-lo gel ln— whoever knows the right person is to get in. because is going to get in. because remember, hospitals are remember, these hospitals are going— remember, these hospitals are golng lo— remember, these hospitals are golng lo le— remember, these hospitals are going to be advertising their tole— going to be advertising their role. so— going to be advertising their own jobs. so come to our noepllol— own jobs. so come to our noepllol le— own jobs. so come to our hospital, be an- own jobs. so come to our hospital, be an apprenticeship, be on— hospital, be an apprenticeship, be an apprentice— hospital, be an apprenticeship, be an apprentice here. so is it wno— be an apprentice here. so is it wno you— be an apprentice here. so is it wno you know,— be an apprentice here. so is it who you know, is— be an apprentice here. so is it who you know, is it do you know the who you know, is it do you know do loeee— who you know, is it do you know do loeee vou— who you know, is it do you know the boss? you know— who you know, is it do you know the boss? you know all this type of the boss? you know all this type ol nepollen— the boss? you know all this type ol nepollen. so— the boss? you know all this type of nepotism. so it's— the boss? you know all this type of nepotism. so it's going to redo— of nepotism. so it's going to create more problems. i think. nul— create more problems. i think. row on— create more problems. i think. row on lne— create more problems. i think. but on the surface, it looks ne— but on the surface, it looks nee-wool.— but on the surface, it looks nice .yeah.-on- but on the surface, it looks nice .yeah.-on the. but on the surface, it looks. nice .yeah.-on the big nice. yeah. now, on the big picture the government had picture here, the government had said new said they'd give us 6000 new doctors. understand that doctors. i understand that number is about 2000 new doctors. yet i hear from so doctors. and yet i hear from so many people who've got very good qualifications and are very keen that they haven't been able to get medical school. i mean, get into medical school. i mean, how do we solve this problem? you know, we have got a rapidly expanding population. our doctor to patient, our gp to patient ratios get worse with every yeah ratios get worse with every year. what needs to be done ? i year. what needs to be done? i think the answer to that is- : : 7 i think the answer to that is very elnple— think the answer to that is very elnple, very— think the answer to that is very simple, very clear.— think the answer to that is very simple, very clear. we have a mass exodus of— simple, very clear. we have a mass exodus of doctors leaving, going— mass exodus of doctors leaving, golng lo— mass exodus of doctors leaving, going to australia— mass exodus of doctors leaving, going to australia and quitting dolng— going to australia and quitting dolng olner— going to australia and quitting doing other jobs.— going to australia and quitting doing otherjobs. look going to australia and quitting doing other jobs. look after our doolore— doing other jobs. look after our doctors better,— doing other jobs. look after our doctors better, you—

doing other jobs. look after our doctors better, you know , it's doctors better, you know, it's elnple— doctors better, you know, it's elnple. vou— doctors better, you know, it's simple. you know, we've got a elrlle— simple. you know, we've got a elnle golng— simple. you know, we've got a elnle golng on— simple. you know, we've got a strike going on. well, hang on. wowe— strike going on. well, hang on. were gol— strike going on. well, hang on. weloe gol tuner— strike going on. well, hang on. we've got junior doctors- we've got junior doctors striking. we've got other doctors heading off, as you say , to the sunshine and double the salary in australia . wouldn't it salary in australia. wouldn't it be reasonable for the taxpayer to say that if you've been through a full medical training, you owe us at least 5 or 10 years work before you take jobs overseas, a sort of indenture type program? wouldn't that be fair and reasonable from a taxpayers perspective ? i think taxpayers perspective? i think there is an argument- taxpayers perspective? i think there is an argument for- , l::;7 i think there is an argument for that, lul— there is an argument for that, lul lul— there is an argument for that, lul lul lnon— there is an argument for that, but but then it's— there is an argument for that, but but then it's about what are lnoee— but but then it's about what are those medical— but but then it's about what are those medical students putting in those medical students putting ln ond— those medical students putting ln ond wnol— those medical students putting in and what are— those medical students putting in and what are the what is the gowernnenl— in and what are the what is the government putting in and then eoeurg— government putting in and then eoeurg ll— government putting in and then rneoeurlng ll up— government putting in and then measuring it up and comparing it. measuring it up and comparing ll. and— measuring it up and comparing ll. and l— measuring it up and comparing it. and i think— measuring it up and comparing it. and i think that's a little bit dangerous.— it. and i think that's a little bit dangerous. but i think lnere-e— bit dangerous. but i think there's merit— bit dangerous. but i think there's merit in what you're eoylng. — there's merit in what you're eoylng. -lnere- there's merit in what you're saying. -there be saying. maybe there should be some compulsory, some sort of compulsory, eonpuleory— some sort of compulsory,- compulsory—time some sort of compulsory,- compulsory_time and compulsory amount of time and lnon— compulsory amount of time and lnon lnon— compulsory amount of time and lnon lnon ore— compulsory amount of time and then then are they— compulsory amount of time and then then are they going to leowe— then then are they going to leave after— then then are they going to leave after that? you know? well— leave after that? you know? well l— leave after that? you know? well l know.— leave after that? you know? well, i know. listen i mean, ol— well, i know. listen i mean, ol llle— well, i know. listen i mean, none of this is— well, i know. listen i mean,

none of this is easy, but i tell you,— none of this is easy, but i tell you lne— none of this is easy, but i tell you, do good— none of this is easy, but i tell you, the good thing , you know, you, the good thing, you know, wnelner— you, the good thing, you know, wnelner llle— you, the good thing, you know, whether it's this— you, the good thing, you know, whether it's this debate tonight or lne— whether it's this debate tonight or the pharmacy— whether it's this debate tonight or the pharmacy debate i had loel— or the pharmacy debate i had loel ngnl— or the pharmacy debate i had last night, the— or the pharmacy debate i had last night, the good thing is we are last night, the good thing is we ooluolly— last night, the good thing is we are actually having an open are actually now having an open delole— are actually now having an open delole oloul— are actually now having an open debate about how— are actually now having an open debate about how to things debate about how to make things leller— debate about how to make things leller . — debate about how to make things better . you've— debate about how to make things better . you've got— debate about how to make things better . lzl. lglzl lpole debate about how to make things better . lzl. lglzl lpols le�* better. you've got 60s daniel elia to tell us what should be done to improve public trust in the national health service because it has declined over the last few years. your 60s begins now. wow. i last few years. your 60s begins now . wow. i think like last few years. your 60s begins now. wow. i think like number one, we need to— wow. i think like number one, we need to stop these elrllee— one, we need to stop these elrllee ly— one, we need to stop these strikes by supporting the nurses, the— strikes by supporting the nurses, the paramedics and the doolore— nurses, the paramedics and the doolore ly— nurses, the paramedics and the doolore ly nol— nurses, the paramedics and the doctors by not just paying them lul— doctors by not just paying them more, but making— doctors by not just paying them more, but making their lives easier, making— more, but making their lives easier, making sure they have plooee— easier, making sure they have plooee lo— easier, making sure they have ploeee lo porl— easier, making sure they have places to park, making sure that pold— places to park, making sure that exams are paid for,— places to park, making sure that exams are paid for, making sure lney— exams are paid for, making sure lney nove— exams are paid for, making sure they have adequate sick leave, nollng— they have adequate sick leave, nollng eure— they have adequate sick leave, making sure they— they have adequate sick leave, making sure they have adequate onnuol— making sure they have adequate onnuol leoe— making sure they have adequate annual leave, making their annual leave, making sure their lnee— annual leave, making sure their lwee ore— annual leave, making sure their lives are better.— annual leave, making sure their lives are better. they want lives are better. so they want to lives are better. so they want lo-ln— lives are better. so they want lo-ln lne— lives are better. so they want to-in the nhs.- lives are better. so they want to in the nhs. they want to stay in the nhs. so they want to stay in the nhs. so they want lo-worllng— to stay in the nhs. so they want lo-worllng .— to stay in the nhs. so they want lo-worllng . so— to stay in the nhs. so they want to working . so they want to to keep working. so they want to loop — to keep working. so they want to keep struggling-— to keep working. so they want to keep struggling. lives keep struggling. saving lives ond—greol- keep struggling. saving livesi and—great work and continuing the great work lney— and continuing the great work lney-do. — and continuing the great work lney-do. and— and continuing the great work they do. and going to they they do. and so going to auelrollo— they they do. and so going to australia or— they they do. and so going to

australia or new— they they do. and so going to australia or new zealand or dolng— australia or new zealand or dolng olner— australia or new zealand or doing other things doesn't look as doing other things doesn't look oeoe- ll— doing other things doesn't look oeoe- ll doee- doing other things doesn't look as-as it does now.- doing other things doesn't look as as it does now. we as attractive as it does now. we duel— as attractive as it does now. we iuel need— as attractive as it does now. we iuel need lo— as attractive as it does now. we just need to support what we nove— just need to support what we love ngnl— just need to support what we have right now— just need to support what we have right now to make sure the wus— have right now to make sure the we le— have right now to make sure the we le oe— have right now to make sure the we le oe greol— have right now to make sure the nhs is as great as— have right now to make sure the nhs is as great as it always has been. — nhs is as great as it always has been. .done— nhs is as great as it always has been. -done within- nhs is as great as it always has been. done within time. been. well done within time. sorry— been. well done within time. sorry lor— been. well done within time. sorry for pulllng— been. well done within time. sorry for putting you- been. well done within time. sorry for putting you on- been. well done within time. sorry for putting you on the spot like that. it was a bit unfair of me, but thanks for coming on and we'll speak again over the coming months as this debate all week debate develops. now all week i've been telling you about these television radio these television and radio awards that i've awards and the fact that i've been nominated. i'm on the list of runners and riders for a prize we our worries prize. well, we had our worries the day because the the other day because the tricorder uk, the website on which you vote crashed and lots of farage sisters were furious as they were talking about hgged as they were talking about rigged elections, stolen elections , as we were assured by elections, as we were assured by trick yesterday, the website was up and running and all day today it's been great. sorry to report that the website has crashed yet again this evening. voting closes at 5:00 on friday. if you'd like to see me turn up at the luvvies liberal leftie

backslapping dinner, please vote for me . let's do backslapping dinner, please vote for me. let's do a backslapping dinner, please vote for me . let's do a couple of for me. let's do a couple of quick farage depher charges. lisa from high wycombe has a question for me. hi nigel. i'm lisa. i would like to know- : \l lg; i'm lisa. i would like to know why it's lisa. i would like to know why we lolen— lisa. i would like to know why we lolen eo— lisa. i would like to know why it's taken so long— lisa. i would like to know why it's taken so long for me to be noueed— it's taken so long for me to be noueed .— it's taken so long for me to be noueed . lln— it's taken so long for me to be housed. i'm in— it's taken so long for me to be housed. i'm in a— it's taken so long for me to be housed. i'm in a two it's taken so long for me to be housed . i'm in a two bedroom housed. i'm in a two bedroom nouee— housed. i'm in a two bedroom nouee wlln— housed. i'm in a two bedroom nouee wlln o— housed. i'm in a two bedroom house with a boy— housed. i'm in a two bedroom house with a boy and a girl aged 14, house with a boy and a girl aged p. nlne— house with a boy and a girl aged p. ond— house with a boy and a girl aged 14, nine and ten,— house with a boy and a girl aged 14, nine and ten, both disabled , old— 14, nine and ten, both disabled , old ond— 14, nine and ten, both disabled , old ond l— 14, nine and ten, both disabled , old and i cannot— 14, nine and ten, both disabled , old and i cannot get a bigger property— , old and i cannot get a bigger properly llddlng— , old and i cannot get a bigger property bidding with the local oullorlly— property bidding with the local authority. lisa _ property bidding with the local authority. lisa very simply, we nove— authority. lisa very simply, we love o— authority. lisa very simply, we have a massive— authority. lisa very simply, we have a massive population crisis oueed— have a massive population crisis oueed oueed— have a massive population crisis caused caused 85%_ have a massive population crisis caused caused 85% of it by government's— caused caused 85% of it by government's immigration polldee— government's immigration policies since— government's immigration policies since the year 2000, ond— policies since the year 2000, ond nobody— policies since the year 2000, and nobody wants to own up and odnll— and nobody wants to own up and odnll lo— and nobody wants to own up and odnll lo ll.— and nobody wants to own up and odnll lo ll. — and nobody wants to own up and admit to it. simple— and nobody wants to own up and admit to it. simple as that. let's go to frederick from chelmsford. and let's go to frederick from chelmsford . and my question to chelmsford. and my question to you,— chelmsford. and my question to you, concern is donald- : and my question to you, concern is donald trump, lne— you, concern is donald trump, the mainstream _ you, concern is donald trump, the mainstream media here and in anerloo— the mainstream media here and in anerloo ore— the mainstream media here and in america are constantly criticising— america are constantly criticising him . and yet i criticising him. and yet i lnougnl— criticising him. and yet i lnougnl ne— criticising him. and yet i thought he was a good president , lul— thought he was a good president , lul nee— thought he was a good president , lul ne-e o— thought he was a good president , but he's a man— thought he was a good president , but he's a man of— thought he was a good president , but he's a man of peace. he dd— , but he's a man of peace. he dld ne— , but he's a man of peace. he dld nle leel— , but he's a man of peace. he did his best for— , but he's a man of peace. he did his best for his- , but he's a man of peace. he did his best for his country. and— did his best for his country. and yel— did his best for his country. and yet their— did his best for his country. and yet their criticism of him is unrelenting— and yet their criticism of him is unrelenting to— and yet their criticism of him is unrelenting to this day . why?

is unrelenting to this day. why? i'm is unrelenting to this day. why? l-n lollled— is unrelenting to this day. why? l-n lollled .— is unrelenting to this day. why? i'm baffled . please explain. i'm baffled. please explain. lrederlol— i'm baffled. please explain. frederick those— i'm baffled. please explain. frederick those on the conservative - frederick those on the conservative side of politics us lnlnl— conservative side of politics us lnlnl lnol— conservative side of politics us think that those _ conservative side of politics us think that those on the left of polllloe— think that those on the left of polllloe ore— think that those on the left of politics are slightly deluded , politics are slightly deluded, lnoreoelng— politics are slightly deluded, increasing albie the modern left of increasing albie the modern left ol polllloe— increasing albie the modern left of politics think— increasing albie the modern left of politics think that those on the of politics think that those on do ngnl— of politics think that those on do rlgnl ol— of politics think that those on the right of politics are evil ond— the right of politics are evil ond enould— the right of politics are evil and should be— the right of politics are evil and should be shouted down and oonoelled— and should be shouted down and cancelled, and— and should be shouted down and cancelled, and that— and should be shouted down and cancelled, and that any means are cancelled, and that any means fully— cancelled, and that any means are fully justified— cancelled, and that any means are fully justified in winning lnelr— are fully justified in winning their political— are fully justified in winning their political goals. ,: their political goals. i could go on— their political goals. i could go on lor— their political goals. i could go on for about— their political goals. i could go on for about that for an houn go on for about that for an hour. there isn't time now. tomorrow night farage at large is back. i'm going to be in bournemouth. we full bournemouth. we have a full house. we'll be by house. we'll be joined by bournemouth resident harry redknapp right said fred. redknapp and right said fred. we'll be singing live kyiv. i'm too sexy for my shirt. it's going to be great fun now. jacob rees—mogg, your party is complete , given up on giving us complete, given up on giving us a proper brexit. i'm afraid so . a proper brexit. i'm afraid so. and the prime minister has pronleed— and the prime minister has pronleed ln— and the prime minister has promised in a— and the prime minister has promised in a little video durlng— promised in a little video durlng nle— promised in a little video during his leadership campaign that during his leadership campaign do no— during his leadership campaign that he would— during his leadership campaign that he would put eu laws lnougn— that he would put eu laws lnrougn lne— that he would put eu laws through the shredder and he's now shredded— through the shredder and he's now shredded his promise and i

lnlnl— now shredded his promise and i lnlnl lnol— now shredded his promise and i lnlnl no le— now shredded his promise and i think that is not— now shredded his promise and i think that is not how conservative leader ought to belove— conservative leader ought to behave. should— conservative leader ought to behave. should we ever have lrueled— behave. should we ever have lrueled-porlyl- behave. should we ever have trusted party? yes, we trusted your party? yes, we dellwered— trusted your party? yes, we delivered brexit— trusted your party? yes, we delivered brexit with boris, dldn-l— delivered brexit with boris, dldn-l wel— delivered brexit with boris, didn't we? we— delivered brexit with boris, didn't we? we got the bill lnrougn— didn't we? we got the bill lnrougn ond— didn't we? we got the bill through and boris was the one wno— through and boris was the one wno woe— through and boris was the one who was determined and made me lrodl— who was determined and made me brexit opportunities— who was determined and made me brexit opportunities minister, lnol— brexit opportunities minister, lnolwe— brexit opportunities minister, that we should— brexit opportunities minister, that we should get this law lnrougn. — that we should get this law lnrougn. and— that we should get this law through. and rishi, when he took pronleed— through. and rishi, when he took over, promised not— through. and rishi, when he took over, promised not only the llnlen— over, promised not only the british people,— over, promised not only the british people, but also members of british people, but also members ol norllonenl— british people, but also members of parliament that— british people, but also members of parliament that he would delwer— of parliament that he would deliver this. _ of parliament that he would deliver this. and now that pronlee— deliver this. and now that pronlee noe— deliver this. and now that promise has been broken, the glolollele— promise has been broken, the globalists-in- promise has been broken, the globalists in charge. globalists are back in charge. llle— globalists are back in charge. llle-lnol-e— globalists are back in charge. erg -that's right.- globalists are back in charge. erg that's right. that's erg yeah, that's right. that's rlgnl. — erg yeah, that's right. that's rlgnllnlol— erg yeah, that's right. that's right.-blob-won- erg yeah, that's right. that's. right. .blob .won .it's right. the blob has won and it's partly— right. the blob has won and it's porlly leuee— right. the blob has won and it's partly because civil service partly because the civil service is partly because the civil service le—gel— partly because the civil service le—gellwlln- partly because the civil service le—gellwlln lll partly because the civil service is_get.with it.- is too idle to get on with it. and— is too idle to get on with it. and-because- and it's partly because ministers— and it's partly because ministers given and it's partly because- ministers-given the ministers haven't given the due— ministers haven't given the drwe ond— ministers haven't given the drive and direction that's needed— drive and direction that's- needed-unsatisfactory needed very, very unsatisfactory . l— needed very, very unsatisfactory . l guess— needed very, very unsatisfactory . l gueee you-re— needed very, very unsatisfactory . i guess you're discussing this tonight. i will be discussing that. that will be my opening. were— that. that will be my opening. we-re oleo— that. that will be my opening. we're also going— we're also going to be discussing— we're also going to be discussing the archbishop of conlerlury— discussing the archbishop of canterbury views on canterbury and his views on nlgrollon— canterbury and his views on migration, which don't entirely oolndde— migration, which don't entirely coincide with— migration, which don't entirely coincide with yours. no that would— coincide with yours. no that would le— coincide with yours. no that would be pretty— coincide with yours. no that would be pretty fair and pretty reoeonoell — would be pretty fair and pretty reasonable. and— would be pretty fair and pretty reasonable. : would be pretty fair and pretty reasonable. l: e: would be pretty fair and pretty reasonable. e: eell: reasonable. and we had that debate, too, on this program well enough from jacob takes well enough from me. jacob takes over shortly. i'll be back over very shortly. i'll be back with you live tomorrow night at

7:00 in bournemouth. and please do go to that website, even if it takes you a few, goes to get through the weather. how much rain will we get tomorrow ? good rain will we get tomorrow? good evening and welcome— rain will we get tomorrow? good evening and welcome to- e a: g: 7 good evening and welcome to your loleel— evening and welcome to your loleel oo— evening and welcome to your latest gb news— evening and welcome to your latest gb news weather update . latest gb news weather update. wlln— latest gb news weather update. wlln ne— latest gb news weather update. wlln no arne— latest gb news weather update. with me arnie shuttleworth from the with me arnie shuttleworth from lne wel— with me arnie shuttleworth from the met office. _ with me arnie shuttleworth from the met office. now thursday wlll— the met office. now thursday wlll eeo— the met office. now thursday will see another— the met office. now thursday will see another day of heavy eonere— will see another day of heavy eonere ond— will see another day of heavy showers and a— will see another day of heavy showers and a risk of thunderstorms . low pressure is thunderstorms. low pressure is very— thunderstorms. low pressure is very muon— thunderstorms. low pressure is very nuen ellll— thunderstorms. low pressure is very much still in— thunderstorms. low pressure is very much still in charge of the dl-e— very much still in charge of the we woolner— very much still in charge of the uk's weather and— very much still in charge of the uk's weather and that's pushing lneee— uk's weather and that's pushing lneee lronlol— uk's weather and that's pushing these frontal systems, bringing more areas of— these frontal systems, bringing more areas of rain to more norlnern— more areas of rain to more norlnern ond— more areas of rain to more northern and eastern areas of lne— northern and eastern areas of do oounlry— northern and eastern areas of the country through wednesday ewenlng. — the country through wednesday ewenlng. and— the country through wednesday evening. and into— the country through wednesday evening. and into tomorrow as well.— evening. and into tomorrow as well so— evening. and into tomorrow as well so well— evening. and into tomorrow as well. so we'll start we'll oonllnue— well. so we'll start we'll continue to— well. so we'll start we'll continue to see- well. so we'll start we'll continue to see that rain across worlnern— continue to see that rain across northern ireland— continue to see that rain across northern ireland and western porle— northern ireland and western porle ol— northern ireland and western parts of scotland from that lronl. — parts of scotland from that lronl. nul— parts of scotland from that front. but showers from the day wlll— front. but showers from the day wlll elon— front. but showers from the day wlll elorl lo— front. but showers from the day will start to fade— front. but showers from the day will start to fade away , though will start to fade away, though lney— will start to fade away, though lney could— will start to fade away, though they could linger— will start to fade away, though they could linger a little while for-wlee— they could linger a little while for-wloe ol— they could linger a little while for-likes of east- they could linger a little while for likes of east anglia and for the likes of east anglia and odor— for the likes of east anglia and odor soull— for the likes of east anglia and other south eastern but other south eastern areas, but for other south eastern areas, but lor nony— other south eastern areas, but lor nony ll-ll— other south eastern areas, but for many it'll be— other south eastern areas, but for many it'll be a— other south eastern areas, but for many it'll be a dry night ond— for many it'll be a dry night ond o— for many it'll be a dry night ond o dry— for many it'll be a dry night and a dry start— for many it'll be a dry night and a dry start to thursday with low— and a dry start to thursday with some low cloud— and a dry start to thursday with some low cloud lingering across the some low cloud lingering across lne ngn— some low cloud lingering across the high grounds— some low cloud lingering across the high grounds of parts of the llldlonde— the high grounds of parts of the midlands through— the high grounds of parts of the midlands through the rest of

lluredoy— midlands through the rest of thursday, we'll— midlands through the rest of thursday, we'll see some eunenlne— thursday, we'll see some sunshine lasting through central and sunshine lasting through central ond eoulnern— sunshine lasting through central and southern areas of england ond— and southern areas of england and across northwestern and eoulnern— and across northwestern and southern parts— and across northwestern and southern parts of scotland. but very— southern parts of scotland. but wery gulelly— southern parts of scotland. but wery gulolly .— southern parts of scotland. but very quickly , you— southern parts of scotland. but very quickly , you can notice very quickly, you can notice lneee— very quickly, you can notice these showers— very quickly, you can notice these showers starting to break out these showers starting to break oul-lney-re— these showers starting to break oul-lney-re golng— these showers starting to break out they're going to out and they're going to be dulle— out and they're going to be gulle neowy,— out and they're going to be quite heavy, long lasting eonere— quite heavy, long lasting showers , a— quite heavy, long lasting showers , a further risk of showers, a further risk of thunderstorms- showers, a further risk of thunderstorms away from any showers. when _ thunderstorms away from any showers. when you do get the eunenlne— showers. when you do get the sunshine,.will_ showers. when you do get the sunshine, will feel warm. sunshine, it will feel warm. nlgne— sunshine, it will feel warm. nlgne ol— sunshine, it will feel warm. nlgne ol w— sunshine, it will feel warm. highs of 17 or— sunshine, it will feel warm. highs of 17 or 18- sunshine, it will feel warm. highs of 17 or 18 degrees. the eonere— highs of 17 or 18 degrees. the showers are likely last into the ruen— showers are likely last into the ruen nour— showers are likely last into the rush hour across— showers are likely last into the rush hour across eastern areas ond— rush hour across eastern areas ond lnon— rush hour across eastern areas and then across— rush hour across eastern areas and then across the southwest as well— and then across the southwest as well nul— and then across the southwest as well nul lor— and then across the southwest as well. but for many— and then across the southwest as well. but for many ,_ and then across the southwest as well. but for many , it will turn well. but for many, it will turn drler— well. but for many, it will turn drler ond— well. but for many, it will turn drier and then— well. but for many, it will turn drier and then the— well. but for many, it will turn drier and then the winds will enlll— drier and then the winds will enlll lo— drier and then the winds will enlll lo on— drier and then the winds will shift to an easterly dragging in this shift to an easterly dragging in he low— shift to an easterly dragging in this low cloud— shift to an easterly dragging in this low cloud from the north sear— this low cloud from the north seo, lnnglng— this low cloud from the north sea, bringing many of us quite a new— sea, bringing many of us quite a nlely ond— sea, bringing many of us quite a nlely ond nurly— sea, bringing many of us quite a misty and murky night on lnuredoy— misty and murky night on thursday night. temperatures ellll— thursday night. temperatures still around— thursday night. temperatures still around average for the llne— still around average for the llne ol— still around average for the llne ol yeor— still around average for the llne ol yeor .— still around average for the time of year , but there could be time of year, but there could be gulle— time of year, but there could be gulle o— time of year, but there could be gulle o lol— time of year, but there could be gulle o lol ol— time of year, but there could be quite a lot of drizzle , quite a lot of drizzle, eepeelolly— quite a lot of drizzle, especially over any high ground especially over any hiin ground by especially over any high ground by lne— especially over any high ground by do llne— especially over any high ground by do llne we— especially over any high ground by the time we get to friday nornlng. — by the time we get to friday nornlng. lne— by the time we get to friday morning. the cloud will burn lool— morning. the cloud will burn loel roee— morning. the cloud will burn back across western areas in porlloulor. — back across western areas in porlloulor. so— back across western areas in particular. so for— back across western areas in particular. so for much of wolee— particular. so for much of wolee lne— particular. so for much of wales, the south—west and worlnern— wales, the south—west and northern ireland too, we'll see a northern ireland too, we'll see o good— northern ireland too, we'll see o good ornounl— northern ireland too, we'll see a good amount of— northern ireland too, we'll see a good amount of sunshine from the a good amount of sunshine from lne word— a good amount of sunshine from lne word go— a good amount of sunshine from lne word go on— a good amount of sunshine from the word go on friday. and then

as the word go on friday. and then oe we neod— the word go on friday. and then as we head through to the weelend— as we head through to the weelend .— as we head through to the weekend , many areas will see weekend, many areas will see eunenlne— weekend, many areas will see some sunshine through saturday wlln— some sunshine through saturday wlln ore— some sunshine through saturday with more rain— some sunshine through saturday with more rain arriving from the weel— with more rain arriving from the weel on— with more rain arriving from the weel on sunday-— with more rain arriving from the west on sunday. i'll see you loler—

for i for. hello. i for- hello. good i for_ hello. good evening . for— hello. good evening . it's for hello. good evening . it's me, hello. good evening. it's me, goodl— hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation. tonight, the government sensationally backtracked on its pledge to scrap all eu legislation from the uk statute book by the end of 2023. despite and despite rishi sunak summer leadership campaign vowing to review or revoke over 2000 european laws in his first 100 days as prime minister well, on days as prime minister well, on day 198, mr sunak's administration has pivoted faster than a spinning top and will, in fact retain most of the laws imposed on us by brussels.

i will give you my views on this