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thettht— in the newsroom the bank of thgttht te— in the newsroom the bank of england is widely expected to the— england is widely expected to raise interest— england is widely expected to raise interest rates for a 12th consecutive _ raise interest rates for a 12th consecutive time— raise interest rates for a 12th consecutive time later as it thee— consecutive time later as it thee te— consecutive time later as it tries to tackle— consecutive time later as it tries to tackle soaring inflation. _ tries to tackle soaring inflation. economists predict the ttee— inflation. economists predict the base rate— inflation. economists predict the base rate will increase by a tutttet— the base rate will increase by a tutttet et— the base rate will increase by a tutttet et t— the base rate will increase by a quarter of a percentage point them— quarter of a percentage point them hes— quarter of a percentage point them 4.25 te— quarter of a percentage point from 4.25 to 4.5.— quarter of a percentage point from 4.25 to 4.5. the rise would ttte— from 4.25 to 4.5. the rise would ttte hteteet— from 4.25 to 4.5. the rise would take interest rates— from 4.25 to 4.5. the rise would take interest rates to the htgheet— take interest rates to the highest level— take interest rates to the highest level since 2008. rail eehteee— highest level since 2008. rail eehteee huh— highest level since 2008. rail services run by— highest level since 2008. rail services run by operator trans tehhhe— services run by operator trans pennine express— services run by operator trans pennine express are to be ttetght— pennine express are to be brought under— pennine express are to be brought under government tehttel— brought under government control. the— brought under government control. the transport secretary hte— control. the transport secretary has announced.— control. the transport secretary has announced. the decision tettewe— has announced. the decision follows continuous cancellations . httt— follows continuous cancellations . httt htteet— follows continuous cancellations . mark harper says— follows continuous cancellations . mark harper says the firm's tehtttet— . mark harper says the firm's contract won't— . mark harper says the firm's contract won't be _ . mark harper says the firm's contract won't be extended nor teehewt— contract won't be extended nor teehewt . the— contract won't be extended nor renewed . the department of renewed. the department of tttheeett— renewed. the department of transport will— renewed. the department of transport will instead take over them— transport will instead take over them hth— transport will instead take over them the the— transport will instead take over from may. the 28th. the train eeettteh— from may. the 28th. the train operator, which _ from may. the 28th. the train operator, which covers northern thgttht— operator, which covers northern thgttht tht— operator, which covers northern england and runs— operator, which covers northern england and runs in parts of seetttht,— england and runs in parts of scotland, saw— england and runs in parts of scotland, saw 1— england and runs in parts of scotland, saw 1 in 6 services etheettet— scotland, saw 1 in 6 services cancelled in— scotland, saw 1 in 6 services cancelled in march . adam price cancelled in march. adam price hte— cancelled in march. adam price has announced— cancelled in march. adam price has announced he's quitting as letter— has announced he's quitting as tettet et— has announced he's quitting as leader of plied— has announced he's quitting as leader of plied kumri. the teeteteh— leader of plied kumri. the decision comes— leader of plied kumri. the decision comes just days after a tetht— decision comes just days after a tetht t— decision comes just days after a review found a culture of sexual httteeheht— review found a culture of sexual httteeheht ,— review found a culture of sexual harassment, bullying and

hteegyhy— harassment, bullying and hteegyhy h— harassment, bullying and misogyny in the welsh nationalist— misogyny in the welsh nationalist party. it found the party— nationalist party. it found the ettty htt— nationalist party. it found the party had failed— nationalist party. it found the party had failed to implement a zero tolerance— party had failed to implement a zero tolerance approach to eettt— zero tolerance approach to sexual harassment and that women, especially had been let teeth.— women, especially had been let teeth. th— women, especially had been let down. mr price— women, especially had been let down. mr price has— women, especially had been let down. mr price has apologised tht— down. mr price has apologised tht etye— down. mr price has apologised and says recommendations to tetextty— and says recommendations to tetettty the— and says recommendations to detoxify the party will be taken on detoxify the party will be taken eh tettt — detoxify the party will be taken eh tettt tht— detoxify the party will be taken on board and former us president eehttt— on board and former us president eehttt hume— on board and former us president donald trump says— on board and former us president donald trump says he'd pardon hthy— donald trump says he'd pardon hthy eteeettete— donald trump says he'd pardon many supporters for their involvement— many supporters for their involvement in the january 6th ctettet— involvement in the january 6th ctettet hete— involvement in the january 6th capitol riots if— involvement in the january 6th capitol riots if he— involvement in the january 6th capitol riots if he wins the next— capitol riots if he wins the next election— capitol riots if he wins the next election ._ capitol riots if he wins the next election . speaking at a cnn next election. speaking at a cnn teeth— next election. speaking at a cnn teeth httt— next election. speaking at a cnn teeth htlt h— next election. speaking at a cnn town hall in new— next election. speaking at a cnn town hall in new hampshire, he the— town hall in new hampshire, he the tetteet— town hall in new hampshire, he also refused to— town hall in new hampshire, he also refused to acknowledge he teet— also refused to acknowledge he test the— also refused to acknowledge he lost the 2020— also refused to acknowledge he lost the 2020 election. the tettte— lost the 2020 election. the tettte wt— lost the 2020 election. the debate was also- lost the 2020 election. the debate was also the first time hee— debate was also the first time we been— debate was also the first time he's been publicly seen since a jury— he's been publicly seen since a jury tetht— he's been publicly seen since a jury tetht hhh — he's been publicly seen since a jury found him guilty of eexutttw— jury found him guilty of sexually assaulting e jean ctwett— sexually assaulting e jean cthett h— sexually assaulting e jean carroll in the— sexually assaulting e jean carroll in the 1990s. he continues— carroll in the 1990s. he continues to— carroll in the 1990s. he continues to deny ever meeting the htgtzhe— continues to deny ever meeting the magazine writer tv online httt — the magazine writer tv online httt tttte— the magazine writer tv online dab+ radio and— the magazine writer tv online dab+ radio and on tune in. this is dab+ radio and on tune in. this he eh— dab+ radio and on tune in. this he he newe— dab+ radio and on tune in. this is gb news. now— dab+ radio and on tune in. this is gb news. now it's back to andrew— is gb news. now it's back to ahttew tht— is gb news. now it's back to

ahttew tht .— andrew and. bev veh— andrew and. bev very good morning. thank andrew and. bev— very good morning. thank you for joining— very good morning. thank you for joining te— very good morning. thank you for joining te here.— very good morning. thank you for joining us here. on— very good morning. thank you for joining us here. on to the point on joining us here. on to the point en et— joining us here. on to the point eh eh newe— joining us here. on to the point on gb news now— joining us here. on to the point on gb news now ministers have ettehet— on gb news now ministers have ettehet wtth— on gb news now ministers have clashed with the— on gb news now ministers have clashed with the archbishop of cthtettww— clashed with the archbishop of canterbury after— clashed with the archbishop of canterbury after he attacked the geeeht-e— canterbury after he attacked the government's migration government's illegal migration bill government's illegal migration ttttltehe— government's illegal migration bill being morally bill as being morally unacceptable. welby unacceptable. so justin welby ettt— unacceptable. so justin welby ettt the— unacceptable. so justin welby said the legislation had too hthw— said the legislation had too many problems— said the legislation had too many problems . t many problems. for one speech, he warned it would damage the uk's in the so uk's standing in the world. so earlier, parliamentary under—secretary sarah dines told gb the people traffickers gb news the people traffickers are the immoral ones as well. i do respect , i respect it very do respect, i respect it very much— do respect, i respect it very much tht— do respect, i respect it very much and the— do respect, i respect it very much and the house of lords is a tetttw— much and the house of lords is a tetttw eeetete— much and the house of lords is a really precious, important part of really precious, important part et ew— really precious, important part of our constitution. however wtth — of our constitution. however wtth the — of our constitution. however with the greater— of our constitution. however with the greater respect, i ten-t— with the greater respect, i teh-t agree— with the greater respect, i don't agree with what he said. i het— don't agree with what he said. i just ten-t— don't agree with what he said. i just don't think— don't agree with what he said. i just don't think it— don't agree with what he said. i just don't think it is moral to thew— just don't think it is moral to tltew eeeete— just don't think it is moral to allow people such as traffickers to allow people such as traffickers te thhg— allow people such as traffickers te hhhg eeette— allow people such as traffickers to bring people, including ehtttteh— to bring people, including children, across the channel hethg— children, across the channel risking their— children, across the channel risking their lives for money. i thtt-e— risking their lives for money. i mean, that's what— risking their lives for money. i mean, that's what it is. and thtt-e— mean, that's what it is. and that's where— mean, that's what it is. and that's where the— mean, that's what it is. and that's where the immorality lies . well— that's where the immorality lies . wetl ._ that's where the immorality lies . wetl . agree— that's where the immorality lies . well, i agree with— that's where the immorality lies . well, i agree with the- that's where the immorality lies . well, i agree with the junior minister. and we've got lord marlin here, a former minister of course, lord marlin, you heard some of the debates yesterday. welby is outrageous

to morally repugnant to to say it's morally repugnant to bnng to say it's morally repugnant to bring bill, it? bring in this bill, isn't it? morally allow the morally repugnant to allow the people to ply their people smugglers to ply their vile, evil trade across the channel? i think he's channel? well, i think he's entitled to his views. we all are in a country— entitled to his views. we all are in a country of- entitled to his views. we all are in a country of free- t;i wfit: i“ , we all are in a country of free speech. th— are in a country of free speech. the net— are in a country of free speech. the not we— are in a country of free speech. i'm not sure there's— are in a country of free speech. i'm not sure there's a- are in a country of free speech. i'm not sure there's a great- i'm not sure there's a great resonance and support for his views. certainly it wasn't in large parts of the chamber and i was struck, andrew, by one of the things he said was it undermines the international cooperation i've spent the last i've done. god knows how many flights this year around the commonwealth countries. in my role there. and i've i've not come across any lack of international cooperation . when international cooperation. when i was in rwanda, of course, earlier in the year, as you know, and i'm struck of how, you know, and i'm struck of how, you know, rwanda would be an incredibly good place to end up if you were a migrant. it's a modern, very , very clean city. modern, very, very clean city. and a place where it takes law and rule of law . you know,

and rule of law. you know, incredibly importantly and i was talking to lord dobbs and i thought he put it so well, i'm reading it here. they trade in lies and they trade in lives. yes and i think the great majority of british people are really frightened by the huge amount of immigrants that are coming into this country. i agree. the way that they're coming in and i'd i think we're about to see figures which will blow the doors off immigration and unless we get to grips with this , then we are really in this, then we are really in trouble. it must be frustrating for trouble. it must be frustrating tet wet— trouble. it must be frustrating tet wet te— trouble. it must be frustrating tet wet te t— trouble. it must be frustrating tet wet te t te— trouble. it must be frustrating for you as a as a— it must be frustrating for you as a as a brexiteer to thew— for you as a as a brexiteer to thew thtt— for you as a as a brexiteer to know that one— for you as a as a brexiteer to know that one of— for you as a as a brexiteer to know that one of the reasons hthw— know that one of the reasons hthw eeeete— know that one of the reasons many people voted for brexit was to many people voted for brexit was te tert— many people voted for brexit was to kerb immigration. given that we etttggte— to kerb immigration. given that we etttggte tet— to kerb immigration. given that we struggle for school places, gp we struggle for school places, et etttee— we struggle for school places, et etttee ,— we struggle for school places, he the , we— we struggle for school places, gp places , we feel that we're gp places, we feel that we're het— gp places, we feel that we're het getthe — gp places, we feel that we're not getting the— gp places, we feel that we're not getting the service from our tttetwete— not getting the service from our tttetwete hehew— not getting the service from our taxpayers money at the moment to see taxpayers money at the moment to these— taxpayers money at the moment to see these figures. _ taxpayers money at the moment to see these figures. now higher thth— see these figures. now higher thth thew— see these figures. now higher than they ever— see these figures. now higher than they ever were before htextt. — than they ever were before brexit. well,— than they ever were before brexit. well, i,— than they ever were before brexit. well, |, i- than they ever were before brexit. well, i, i didn't eeteehtttw— brexit. well, i, i didn't personally it- brexit. well, i, i didn't personally it wasn't an issue

for personally it wasn't an issue tet he— personally it wasn't an issue tet he . — personally it wasn't an issue for me . brexit— personally it wasn't an issue for me . brexit as- personally it wasn't an issue for me . that c fitt;>t< c t: t: for me. brexit as brexit did, mine was more economic than this. i think the interesting thing is that no one's you've not heard a squeak out of anybody of all the hong kong people we've taken in which were legitimate know, legitimate refugees, you know, we are a compassionate nation. we are a multicultural nation, a very tolerant nation . and i very tolerant nation. and i think we've got a very good record of welcoming people into this but what we're this country. but what we're saying you come in saying is you can't come in illegally. you know illegally. and frankly, you know , we're not allowed to break the law. why should others law. so why should we others break the law. and i think you know, the church has entered into this ring of debate and i think they'll find and increasingly that they find they're detached from what most of their parishioners are thinking about, the few they've got left that is. and well, you said andrew, i mean, it is a diminishing audience , diminishing audience, unfortunately . and i think this

unfortunately. and i think this is a shame. your unfortunately. and i think this is a shame . your good mates with is a shame. your good mates with here— is a shame. your good mates with hehe tehheeh— is a shame. your good mates with boris johnson, the— is a shame. your good mates with boris johnson, the male- your good mates with boris johnson, the male reported this boris johnson, the male reported the week— boris johnson, the male reported this week that— boris johnson, the male reported this week that guto harri, who hehe-e— this week that guto harri, who was boris's press— this week that guto harri, who was boris's press secretary, ettt— was boris's press secretary, ettt there— was boris's press secretary, said there was— was boris's press secretary, said there was a- was boris's press secretary, said there was a stand up fight between— said there was a stand up fight between boris— said there was a stand up fight between boris and the king when he te— between boris and the king when he tthee— between boris and the king when he was prince of— between boris and the king when he was prince of wales, actually in he was prince of wales, actually th twthtt— he was prince of wales, actually th twthtt tt— he was prince of wales, actually in rwanda at a— he was prince of wales, actually in rwanda at a commonwealth ethhtt— in rwanda at a commonwealth ethhtt ttet— in rwanda at a commonwealth summit last year— in rwanda at a commonwealth summit last year ._ in rwanda at a commonwealth summit last year. do you know meth— summit last year. do you know much ttett— summit last year. do you know much about that? 39°c“ t:; much about that? well, you do like stitching me on this. like stitching me up on this. i thought. i thought were thought. i thought you were friends. we. well, friends. yeah well, we. well, i was before we friends. yeah well, we. well, i waslbefore we came- : / well,i was before we came along. was in before we came along. tehtthth— was in before we came along. jonathan might— was in before we came along. jonathan might have an opinion on jonathan might have an opinion eh thtt. — jonathan might have an opinion eh thtt. teth— jonathan might have an opinion on that. yeah, i— jonathan might have an opinion on that. yeah, i was- jonathan might have an opinion on that. “415?" i“ j: on that. yeah, i was in rwanda at for that event . and my sense at for that event. and my sense is and i saw the two together and there wasn't any, i think guiteau was probably stretching it a bit . clearly, the prince of it a bit. clearly, the prince of wales, then prince of wales, now our great king has views on this subject. one thing is for certain he would never tell anyone his views on the subject , and i think boris has denied that this thing happened . i'm that this thing happened. i'm sure there probably was a conversation , but it had been conversation, but it had been done privately between the two of them, and neither of them rightly are describing the events around it. but the king would have seen, as did boris,

that that rwanda, kigali, the caphal that that rwanda, kigali, the capital, is an incredible place. i mean, it is extraordinary . i mean, it is extraordinary. people go out every saturday and clean their neighbourhood for three hours. by law . it's three hours. by law. it's extraordinary. de—man developing country and it's got a wonderful climate and it's a very modern city. and i think , you know, we city. and i think, you know, we at our peril criticised countries like this because i think it's an extraordinary place. acas think it's an extraordinary place . acas can we ask you about place. acas can we ask you about the text— place. acas can we ask you about the brexit laws— place. acas can we ask you about the brexit laws now?— t acas can we ask you about the brexit laws now? rishi sunak eteteet— the brexit laws now? rishi sunak etetget t— the brexit laws now? rishi sunak pledged a bonfire— the brexit laws now? rishi sunak pledged a bonfire of these laws. wooe— pledged a bonfire of these laws. eooo et— pledged a bonfire of these laws. eooo et them— pledged a bonfire of these laws. 4000 of them were going to go by december— 4000 of them were going to go by december stet— 4000 of them were going to go by december 31st. can— 4000 of them were going to go by december 31st. can be badenoch. the— december 31st. can be badenoch. the seetettw— december 31st. can be badenoch. the secretary of— december 31st. can be badenoch. the secretary of state now says yes,— the secretary of state now says wee ettt— the secretary of state now says yes, said yesterday— the secretary of state now says yes, said yesterday or she's etwhg— yes, said yesterday or she's etwhg tt— yes, said yesterday or she's etwhg tt tettw— yes, said yesterday or she's saying it today ._ yes, said yesterday or she's saying it today . more like 600. saying it today. more like 600. thtt-e— saying it today. more like 600. we t— saying it today. more like 600. we t wett— saying it today. more like 600. that's a real letdown. 39°c“ c that's a real letdown. well, it is that's a real letdown. well, it he t— that's a real letdown. well, it he t big— that's a real letdown. well, it is a big letdown because the brexit dividend in my view, has always been to have 10% lower tax than our competitors. basically, europe and the united

states and 10% less regulation . states and 10% less regulation. and we're going in the wrong direction on both, which is going to make it very difficult for our economy in the future to get growth out of the get any growth out of the economy . and it aukus this is economy. and it aukus this is just another step in that direction . you kind of do think direction. you kind of do think that the forces of brexit of remain actually not brexit, but remain actually not brexit, but remain in and the forces of pro europe are at play in a lot of activity at the moment in the in the civil service. she said she tettth-t— the civil service. she said she tettth-t teee— the civil service. she said she couldn't cope with— the civil service. she said she couldn't cope with the- tt. , c tt.t;i she said she couldn't cope with the civil eewtte — couldn't cope with the civil service intransigence on the wett— service intransigence on the issue. well, she— service intransigence on the issue. well, she just gave in. vee— issue. well, she just gave in. vee- tht— issue. well, she just gave in. vee- tht tt— issue. well, she just gave in. yes. and it is— issue. well, she just gave in. yes. and it is actually very ttttttttt— yes. and it is actually very difficult to— yes. and it is actually very difficult to repeal laws when i h— difficult to repeal laws when i was in government we had to get rid was in government we had to get ht et— was in government we had to get ht et eet/e— was in government we had to get ht et eeet et— was in government we had to get rid of 33% of our— was in government we had to get rid of 33% of our laws. that was the coalition initiative . and the coalition initiative. and you can get rid of the first 10% like that because they're redundant, moribund, etcetera . redundant, moribund, etcetera. when you start getting into the next lot, it's real trench

warfare because you've got to get it through . you're going to get it through. you're going to have a discussion with your civil servants. many of which would have put the laws in themselves. so you're pushing water uphill in that regard. and then, of course, you've got to get it through parliament if you're going to repeal things. so it's not easy. and but you have to work very hard at it. i think what's interesting for the future, francis maude, who i had a long conversation with last night, has been tasked with this review of the civil service, and it'll be very interesting to see what comes up with in this what he comes up with in this review . he tells me he's what he comes up with in this review. he tells me he's eighth month pregnant. so in a month's time he'll come out with the review. it's taken up a lot of his time. he, of course, ran the cabinet office for a long time. was part responsible for civil service reform . i obviously am service reform. i obviously am not going to give anything away that he's said to me, but he said but he i mean, his i think most he shares most people view

that the system isn't working right. it's the blob . we're right. it's the blob. we're going to keep you with us for a minute, if you don't mind. well, not if you're going to ask me twtwttt— well, not if you're going to ask me awkward questions. lg; me awkward questions. i've got the-queetteh— me awkward questions. i've got one-question-to- me awkward questions. i've got one question to ask one more question i want to ask you. we're also going to be tttthe— you. we're also going to be tttthe te— you. we're also going to be talking to .vince- we're also going to be talking to vince cable. of talking to sir vince cable. of course,-former- talking to sir vince cable. of course, former lib dem course, the former lib dem letter— course, the former lib dem leader-coming- course, the former lib dem leader coming outwith. yeah, leader is coming outwith. yeah, of leader is coming outwith. yeah, et—ttt.— leader is coming out with. yeah, et—ttt. h— leader is coming outwith. yeah, of_did. in coalition. of course you did. in coalition tht— of course you did. in coalition tht tttt— of course you did. in coalition and talk about— of course you did. in coalition and talk about labour and the and talk about is labour and the lib and talk about is labour and the tht—thew— and talk about is labour and the tht—thew tethe- and talk about is labour and the lib—they going-doi lib dems. are they going to do a etet— lib dems. are they going to do a pact-right— lib dems. are they going to do a etet-hght. — lib dems. are they going to do a pact-right. we'll- lib dems. are they going to do a pact-right. we'll keep. pact that's right. we'll keep you— pact that's right. we'll keep you keep you there jonathan. just for now. so the bank of england to raise england is predicted to raise interest rates for the 12th time interest rates for the 12th time in a row today the highest in a row today to the highest level 2008. it's about level since 2008. it's all about battling inflation. experts believe will battling inflation. experts. believe _will rise believe the base rate will rise by believe the base rate will rise hwltttttet— believe the base rate will rise hwltttttetltte— believe the base rate will rise bquuarter.a% to- believe the base rate will rise by quarter a% to 4.5. but by a quarter of a% to 4.5. but hew— by a quarter of a% to 4.5. but hew wtt— by a quarter of a% to 4.5. but how will this— by a quarter of a% to 4.5. but how will this further uptick ttteet— how will this further uptick ttteet the — how will this further uptick affect the hospitality industry? our_ reporter. affect the hospitality industry? i our_ reporter will our east midlands reporter will hollis the red lion pub in hollis is at the red lion pub in lincolnshire. good morning, will. what are the pub owners telling they're good telling you? they're good morning. yes. when you think of hteteet— morning. yes. when you think of interest rates,— morning. yes. when you think of interest rates, you _ lg yes. when you think of interest rates, you think tttthttetw— interest rates, you think ultimately about mortgages and tethe— ultimately about mortgages and lethe the— ultimately about mortgages and loans. the amount of money that eeeete— loans. the amount of money that eeeete te— loans. the amount of money that eeeete tethe— loans. the amount of money that eeeete gehg te— loans. the amount of money that people are going to have to be paying— people are going to have to be paving htth— people are going to have to be paving htet. htt— people are going to have to be paying back. but it's also about

the tet— paying back. but it's also about the amount of— paying back. but it's also about the amount of money that people htwe— the amount of money that people htwe lett— the amount of money that people have left over— the amount of money that people have left over once _ the amount of money that people have left over once they've made theee— have left over once they've made theee etwhehte.— have left over once they've made those payments. and where does thtt—wett— those payments. and where does thtt—wett tet- those payments. and where does that—well for a- those payments. and where does that—well for a lot. those payments. and where does that well for a lot of that money go? well for a lot of eeette— that money go? well for a lot of petite-tewh— that money go? well for a lot of people, - down the - that money go? well for a lot of people, down the pub, people, it goes down the pub, whether— people, it goes down the pub, whether-nice- people, it goes down the pub, whether nice meal at whether it's for a nice meal at a whether it's for a nice meal at t eethtw— whether it's for a nice meal at t eethtw pub— whether it's for a nice meal at a country pub -this- whether it's for a nice meal at a country pub this or for a country pub like this or for a tew— a country pub like this or for a tew teee — a country pub like this or for a few beers. simon— a country pub like this or for a few beers. simon you're the tweheee— few beers. simon you're the business owner— few beers. simon you're the business owner of the red line hete— business owner of the red line herelcavthorpet_ business owner of the red line here caythorpe, near here in caythorpe, near etththth.— here in caythorpe, near grantham. describe here in caythorpe, near grantham.-describe me grantham. just describe for me whtt-e—ee- grantham. just describe for mej what's—so been what's the last year or so been tthe— what's the last year or so been tthe-wett— what's the last year or so been tthelwew eth— what's the last year or so been like .your part of— what's the last year or so been like your part of the like for your part of the httetwe— like for your part of the httetwe — like for your part of the industry? j tt difficult industry? difficult. difficult industry? difficult. difficult th t— industry? difficult. difficult th t tetete— industry? difficult. difficult in a couple of— industry? difficult. difficult in a couple of ways,- industry? j t difficult in a couple of ways, really. vet-we— in a couple of ways, really. you've seen food and beer prices hee— you've seen food and beer prices tw— you've seen food and beer prices tw ee— you've seen food and beer prices rise by more than— you've seen food and beer prices rise by more than 10% at and eeeete-e— rise by more than 10% at and people's leisure— rise by more than 10% at and people's leisure spend has been teetetet— people's leisure spend has been depleted because— people's leisure spend has been depleted because of the increase in depleted because of the increase th thet— depleted because of the increase in their mortgages— depleted because of the increase in their mortgages . and what you in their mortgages. and what you just in their mortgages. and what you itet ettt— in their mortgages. and what you itet ettt eeeete-e— in their mortgages. and what you just said people's loans, eteetett. — just said people's loans, eteetett. ._ just said people's loans, etcetera. i also think new eeeete— etcetera. i also think new eeeete ,— etcetera. i also think new eeeete , the— etcetera. i also think new people , the younger generation people, the younger generation whe— people, the younger generation whe te— people, the younger generation whe twhg— people, the younger generation who are trying to— people, the younger generation who are trying to get a hettgtge,— who are trying to get a mortgage, who are trying to find hehew— mortgage, who are trying to find hehew te— mortgage, who are trying to find hehew te hw— mortgage, who are trying to find money to buy their first house or money to buy their first house et whttewet— money to buy their first house or whatever it— money to buy their first house or whatever it might be, are finding— or whatever it might be, are finding tt— or whatever it might be, are finding it really— or whatever it might be, are finding it really tough. so thetetete— finding it really tough. so therefore they've got less money in therefore they've got less money th thett— therefore they've got less money in their pocket— therefore they've got less money in their pocket and— therefore they've got less money in their pocket and therefore thew-we — in their pocket and therefore thew-we get— in their pocket and therefore they've got less— in their pocket and therefore they've got less to spend and tewh— they've got less to spend and tewh tt— they've got less to spend and tewh tt the— they've got less to spend and down at the pub— they've got less to spend and down at the pub today, the hettthee— down at the pub today, the headlines are— down at the pub today, the headlines are about interest tee — headlines are about interest tee the— headlines are about interest rates. the bank- headlines are about interest rates. the bank of-

headlines are about interest rates. i“ g: headlines are about interest- rates. the bank of england says they raise interest rates to try and inflation and and bring down inflation and slow the price rises. just describe for me those price rises for you and how are you trying to manage those difficult price rises? inflation running at 19% at the moment for food. yeah yeah. well, i mean, eettthtw— yeah yeah. well, i mean, certainly all— yeah yeah. well, i mean, certainly all food- / yeah. well, i mean, certainly all food products have ethe— certainly all food products have eehe te— certainly all food products have gone up hw— certainly all food products have gone up by mee— certainly all food products have gone up by more than 10. people tttt— gone up by more than 10. people tttt ttett— gone up by more than 10. people tttt ttett to,— gone up by more than 10. people talk about 10, but— gone up by more than 10. people talk about 10, but it's actually a talk about 10, but it's actually t tet— talk about 10, but it's actually t tet mee— talk about 10, but it's actually t tet .— talk about 10, but it's actually a lot more . for— talk about 10, but it's actually a lot more . for example , a lot more. for example, teeehttw— a lot more. for example, recently we've - a lot more. for example, recently we've had to put £0.35 eme— recently we've had to put £0.35 ehte t— recently we've had to put £0.35 ehte t ehee— recently we've had to put £0.35 emte t thee et— recently we've had to put £0.35 onto a price of a— recently we've had to put £0.35 onto a price of a pint because thtt-e— onto a price of a pint because thtt-e whtt— onto a price of a pint because that's what the— onto a price of a pint because that's what the brewery have put the ehee— that's what the brewery have put the thee te— that's what the brewery have put the thee up te— that's what the brewery have put the price up to us— that's what the brewery have put the price up to us and we're trying— the price up to us and we're thyme te— the price up to us and we're trying to maintain our margins tht— trying to maintain our margins tht tetet— trying to maintain our margins and roast dinners. i“ and roast dinners. this is a country— and roast dinners. this is a country pub full on a sunday. how are those affected ? well, how are those affected? well, look , maybe a year and a half, look, maybe a year and a half, two years ago, we were charging £15 for a main course. we're now at £18 for £15 for a main course. we're now tt the tet t— £15 for a main course. we're now at £18 for a main— £15 for a main course. we're now at £18 for a main course,- yt“; i“ t; we're now at £18 for a main course, 1850. so at £18 for a main course, 1850. se tht— at £18 for a main course, 1850. se tht thtt— at £18 for a main course, 1850. so and that is— at £18 for a main course, 1850. so and that is because our local eteettete— so and that is because our local eteettete thtt— so and that is because our local suppliers that we _ so and that is because our local suppliers that we support have got suppliers that we support have get heteteet— suppliers that we support have got increased costs , energy, for got increased costs, energy, for example— got increased costs, energy, for example ,— got increased costs, energy, for example , tht— got increased costs, energy, for

example , and therefore we've had example, and therefore we've had to example, and therefore we've had te eut— example, and therefore we've had te eet ew— example, and therefore we've had te ett theee— example, and therefore we've had to put our prices up— example, and therefore we've had to put our prices up to reflect thtt— to put our prices up to reflect thtt h— to put our prices up to reflect thtt th the— to put our prices up to reflect that in the outlook for the next wett— that in the outlook for the next wett tet— that in the outlook for the next wett tet t— that in the outlook for the next wett tet t pub— that in the outlook for the next year for a pub that seems to be tethe— year for a pub that seems to be tehg tutte— year for a pub that seems to be doing quite well,— year for a pub that seems to be doing quite well, how does the thttetw— doing quite well, how does the thttetw te— doing quite well, how does the thttetw te t— doing quite well, how does the industry as a as— doing quite well, how does the industry as a as a— doing quite well, how does the industry as a as a whole look as we 90— industry as a as a whole look as we ge hte— industry as a as a whole look as we ge hte the— industry as a as a whole look as we go into the next— industry as a as a whole look as we go into the next year with heeettttw— we go into the next year with hopefully some— we go into the next year with hopefully some continuing tehthte— hopefully some continuing continue lowering energy costs , continue lowering energy costs, the ettette— continue lowering energy costs, the effects of— continue lowering energy costs, the effects of the— continue lowering energy costs, the effects of the pandemic and heeettttw— the effects of the pandemic and heeettttw the— the effects of the pandemic and hopefully the war— the effects of the pandemic and hopefully the war in ukraine etttthe— hopefully the war in ukraine etttthg te— hopefully the war in ukraine starting to temper a little bit is starting to temper a little bit he tt— starting to temper a little bit he tt t— starting to temper a little bit he tt t eeet— starting to temper a little bit is it a good outlook for the mett— is it a good outlook for the next wett— is it a good outlook for the text wett et— is it a good outlook for the next year or so?- is it a good outlook for the next year or so? well, look, theee— next year or so? well, look, fingers crossed— next year or so? well, look, fingers crossed ,_ next year or so? well, look, fingers crossed , energy will, fingers crossed, energy will, wttl — fingers crossed, energy will, wttl whtt— fingers crossed, energy will, will, will continue to come tewh. — will, will continue to come tewh. tt-e— will, will continue to come down. it's certainly halved for me— down. it's certainly halved for me h— down. it's certainly halved for me th the— down. it's certainly halved for me in this next— down. it's certainly halved for me in this next period. this mett— me in this next period. this next wett— me in this next period. this next wett .— me in this next period. this next year. food— me in this next period. this next year . food at the me in this next period. this next year. food at the moment lem-t— next year. food at the moment teh-t eemhe— next year. food at the moment isn't coming down. that's that's temthhg— isn't coming down. that's that's temthmg tutte— isn't coming down. that's that's remaining quite high. i think theee— remaining quite high. i think theee thtt— remaining quite high. i think those that are— remaining quite high. i think those that are in wet sales only tht— those that are in wet sales only tht het— those that are in wet sales only tht met tethe— those that are in wet sales only and not doing food— those that are in wet sales only and not doing food , we're going and not doing food, we're going to and not doing food, we're going te tht— and not doing food, we're going te ttht thte— and not doing food, we're going to find this quite— and not doing food, we're going to find this quite difficult. theee— to find this quite difficult. theee thtt— to find this quite difficult. those that are— to find this quite difficult. those that are doing food i ththt— those that are doing food i thht whtt— those that are doing food i think will with— those that are doing food i think will with a positive ette— think will with a positive stance, will— think will with a positive stance, will weather that storm. the— stance, will weather that storm. the pub— stance, will weather that storm. the hut lem-t— stance, will weather that storm. the pub isn't open— stance, will weather that storm. the pub isn't open yet. �*vw�*t; the pub isn't open yet. we also ten-t— the pub isn't open yet. we also ten-t htwe— the pub isn't open yet. we also don't have the— the pub isn't open yet. we also don't have the interest rate figures. so we're sticking

around here all day . those around here all day. those interest rate figures come out at 12:00 on the on the dot. so we'll be in this pub also heanng we'll be in this pub also hearing from the customers who've come for their lunch to see how the interest rate figures are affecting them. thank will thank you. yeah. thank you. will thank you. yeah. htett— thank you. will thank you. yeah. htett ttmee— thank you. will thank you. yeah. bleak times, isn't— thank you. will thank you. yeah. bleak times, isn't it? _ bleak times, isn't it? cetttmtw— bleak times, isn't it? certainly is.- bleak times, isn't it? certainly is. now- bleak times, isn't it? certainly is. now the labour leader, sir keir starmer , leader, sir keir starmer, refused to rule out 12 times in interviews the other day the possibility of doing a deal with the lib dems at the next general election. the former lib dem leader is with us in the studio. sir vince cable with us now. vince you wrote about this yesterday . say if there's going yesterday. say if there's going to if it's going to be a hung parliament, labour would very likely to do a deal with your party. well, i think there would be party. well, i think there would he teethe— party. well, i think there would he teetmg thew— party. well, i think there would be looking they may— well, i think there would be looking they may win an ewetttt— be looking they may win an overall majority.— be looking they may win an overall majority. yes, it's heeethte— overall majority. yes, it's possible they— overall majority. yes, it's possible they may not win at th— possible they may not win at ttl ._ possible they may not win at ttl . meth— possible they may not win at all. i mean, we're— possible they may not win at all. i mean, we're dealing with hwhethettttt— all. i mean, we're dealing with hypothetical situations , but hypothetical situations, but there— hypothetical situations, but there te— hypothetical situations, but there is one— hypothetical situations, but there is one set— hypothetical situations, but there is one set of circumstances in which there is one set of— circumstances in which labour ten-t— circumstances in which labour teh-t htwe— circumstances in which labour teh-t htwe th— circumstances in which labour don't have an overall majority. amt— don't have an overall majority. amt ._ don't have an overall majority. amt . ththt— don't have an overall majority. and i think if— don't have an overall majority. and i think if they have any

sense, you know, they will be teethe— sense, you know, they will be teethe tet— sense, you know, they will be teetmg tet t— sense, you know, they will be looking for a period of five wette— looking for a period of five years stable— looking for a period of five years stable government rather thth— years stable government rather thth ttwhg— years stable government rather than living from _ years stable government rather than living from hand to mouth in than living from hand to mouth th whteh— than living from hand to mouth in which case— than living from hand to mouth in which case they— than living from hand to mouth in which case they would need the cooperation _ in which case they would need the cooperation of— in which case they would need the cooperation of other ttmee— the cooperation of other httttee. ._ the cooperation of other parties. i think they would be wett— parties. i think they would be ten teetteh— parties. i think they would be very foolish to _ parties. i think they would be very foolish to lean to the snp or very foolish to lean to the snp et the— very foolish to lean to the snp et the eup— very foolish to lean to the snp or the dup and— very foolish to lean to the snp or the dup and that leaves the lib or the dup and that leaves the lth deme— or the dup and that leaves the lth eeme ,— or the dup and that leaves the lth eeme , ._ or the dup and that leaves the lib dems , i think.— or the dup and that leaves the lib dems , i think. i don't know lib dems, i think. i don't know the— lib dems, i think. i don't know the htemtt— lib dems, i think. i don't know the internal thinking. i'm not part— the internal thinking. i'm not httt et— the internal thinking. i'm not httt et lt,— the internal thinking. i'm not httt et tt, htt— the internal thinking. i'm not part of it, but i— the internal thinking. i'm not part of it, but i think the thththg— part of it, but i think the thththe te— part of it, but i think the thinking is that we would want to thinking is that we would want te he— thinking is that we would want to be responsible— thinking is that we would want to be responsible for and pewte— to be responsible for and etewte eeet— to be responsible for and provide good government as hteet— provide good government as hteet we— provide good government as indeed we did— provide good government as indeed we did with the coalition ten indeed we did with the coalition teh wette— indeed we did with the coalition tem wette tee. — indeed we did with the coalition ten years ago. and— indeed we did with the coalition ten years ago. ': indeed we did with the coalition ten years ago. ' z : ten years ago. and what would the price be? would it have to be a deal on proportional representation? well, i think if there was a cooperative agreement, then there are a lot of policy issues that would come into play . and i think one of into play. and i think one of them— into play. and i think one of them wettt— into play. and i think one of them would would- and i think one of them would would electoral them would would be electoral tetetm— them would would be electoral teetmt amt— them would would be electoral reform. and it— them would would be electoral reform. and it matters not not ttet— reform. and it matters not not itet tet— reform. and it matters not not itet tet ew— reform. and it matters not not just for our own— reform. and it matters not not just for our own self interest, butt— just for our own self interest, hut, wet— just for our own self interest, hut, wet thew,— just for our own self interest, but, you know, terms of but, you know, in terms of htwhg— but, you know, in terms of htwhe t— but, you know, in terms of having a fairer,— but, you know, in terms of having a fairer, wider voting ewetem — having a fairer, wider voting ewetem .— having a fairer, wider voting ewetem . se— having a fairer, wider voting system . so that— having a fairer, wider voting system . so that would be system. so that would be tmeettttt— system. so that would be important. but- system. so that would be important. but it it can happen in important. but it it can happen th tttteteht— important. but it it can happen in different ways— important. but it it can happen in different ways ._ important. but it it can happen in different ways . and there are in different ways. and there are ethet— in different ways. and there are ethet teetee— in different ways. and there are other issues, radical decentralisation is an issue thtt-e— decentralisation is an issue thtt-e wett— decentralisation is an issue that's very much on the agenda,

tehtttthg— that's very much on the agenda, rebuilding our— that's very much on the agenda, rebuilding our links with the tweheth— rebuilding our links with the european union— rebuilding our links with the european union and all of these ththee— european union and all of these ththee te— european union and all of these things are matters— european union and all of these things are matters for the new gewemmeht— things are matters for the new government that— things are matters for the new government that we would hetemtttttw— government that we would eetemtttttw tw— government that we would potentially try to influence. htt— potentially try to influence. hut met, — potentially try to influence. hut met, ._ potentially try to influence. but not, i think, as a coalition. _ but not, i think, as a coalition. i- but not, i think, as a coalition. i think that's thtttetw— coalition. i think that's unlikely, though ed davey wisely hteh-t— unlikely, though ed davey wisely hteh-t tetet— unlikely, though ed davey wisely hasn't ruled it— unlikely, though ed davey wisely hasn't ruled it out. but you m wet— hasn't ruled it out. but you were in you were in the coalition government. you were a secretary of state in the coalition government. it was a pretty bruising outcome for the lib dems. in end, you almost lib dems. in the end, you almost obliterated in the 2015 election was most was i think, the formula most people agree that. people would agree with that. we provided good people would agree with that. . we provided-good government we provided very good government for we provided very good government tet—htt— we provided very good government tet—twt tt— we provided very good government tet—twt tt wte- we provided very good government for_but it was very- for five years, but it was very htt— for five years, but it was very htt tet— for five years, but it was very htt tet the— for five years, but it was very bad for the party,— for five years, but it was very bad for the party, you know, eeet— bad for the party, you know, eeet tet— bad for the party, you know, good for government, good good for the government, good for good for the government, good tet—htt- good for the government, good tet—hut hetl for the country. but but not eeet— for the country. but but not eeet tet— for the country. but but not good tet the— for the country. but but not good for the party. the reason we ultimately— good for the party. the reason we ultimately lost and as you thew,— we ultimately lost and as you knew tettetw— we ultimately lost and as you know, acutely observing journalists— know, acutely observing journalists ,_ know, acutely observing journalists , you would have journalists, you would have heteet— journalists, you would have noticed this— journalists, you would have noticed this what really did us httm — noticed this what really did us httm wte— noticed this what really did us harm was the— noticed this what really did us harm was the fear in 2015 of red ed harm was the fear in 2015 of red tt eh— harm was the fear in 2015 of red tt eh the— harm was the fear in 2015 of red ed on the scottish— harm was the fear in 2015 of red ed on the scottish nationalists. i ed on the scottish nationalists. . tet-t— ed on the scottish nationalists. . tet-t ththt— ed on the scottish nationalists. i don't think the— ed on the scottish nationalists. i don't think the conservative ttmettgh— i don't think the conservative campaign would— i don't think the conservative campaign would would work again in campaign would would work again th thtt— campaign would would work again th thtt wtw— campaign would would work again th thtt wtw .— campaign would would work again th thtt wtw . se— campaign would would work again he thtt wtw . se ._ campaign would would work again in that way . so i think probably in that way. so i think probably we wettt— in that way. so i think probably we wettt he— in that way. so i think probably we would be less— in that way. so i think probably we would be less damaged. but weth—

we would be less damaged. but weth ,— we would be less damaged. but yeah , coalition— we would be less damaged. but yeah , coalition isn't good for yeah, coalition isn't good for emttt— yeah, coalition isn't good for small parties. _ yeah, coalition isn't good for small parties. yeah. why �*vw�*i�*yt t:; small parties. yeah. why why do you small parties. yeah. why why do we thmt— small parties. yeah. why why do you mm the— small parties. yeah. why why do you think the lib dems did so well? vince in the local elections? because the feeling is that lib dems make very good local constituency mps and councillors, but they can't make that reach out nationally. well, i think , i mean, the that reach out nationally. - well, i think , i mean, the whole well, i think, i mean, the whole teetmt— well, i think, i mean, the whole heht teett— well, i think, i mean, the whole point about the _ well, i think, i mean, the whole point about the coalition gewemmeht— point about the coalition government was it defeated that ttetmeht. — government was it defeated that ttetmeht. ._ government was it defeated that argument. i mean,— government was it defeated that argument. i mean, we actually wett— argument. i mean, we actually very good— argument. i mean, we actually were very good in— argument. i mean, we actually were very good in government. we had were very good in government. we htt eeet— were very good in government. we had good ministers— were very good in government. we had good ministers influence a lot had good ministers influence a let et— had good ministers influence a lot of policies— had good ministers influence a lot of policies in— had good ministers influence a lot of policies in a— had good ministers influence a lot of policies in a good way. so,— lot of policies in a good way. se, wet— lot of policies in a good way. se, wet thew,— lot of policies in a good way. so, you know, we've had that eheewe tt— so, you know, we've had that exposure at national level. thtt-e— exposure at national level. that's plausible argument that's not a plausible argument thtwmee— that's not a plausible argument thtwmee . ._ that's not a plausible argument anymore . i mean,— that's not a plausible argument anymore . i mean, the reason we anymore. i mean, the reason we did anymore. i mean, the reason we ttt wett— anymore. i mean, the reason we ttt wett wte— anymore. i mean, the reason we did well was good— anymore. i mean, the reason we did well was good local etmhttgmhg. - did well was good local campaigning. we've run campaigning. you know, we've run meet— campaigning. you know, we've run meetlthe— campaigning. you know, we've run meetlthe big— campaigning. you know, we've run most-the big cities— campaigning. you know, we've run most the big cities of most of the big cities of htttth— most of the big cities of britain some— most of the big cities of britain some time. we're now wett— britain some time. we're now very ettehg— britain some time. we're now very ettemg h— britain some time. we're now very strong in the— britain some time. we're now very strong in the south of thettht— very strong in the south of tmgttmt tht— very strong in the south of england and some outposts in the meth— england and some outposts in the hetth tthe— england and some outposts in the north, like hull— england and some outposts in the north, like hull ._ england and some outposts in the north, like hull . so— england and some outposts in the north, like hull . so partly north, like hull. so partly teeth— north, like hull. so partly lettl htt— north, like hull. so partly local, but partly disaffection wtth— local, but partly disaffection wtth the— local, but partly disaffection with the government, which is wett— with the government, which is very htehee— with the government, which is very intense and— with the government, which is very intense and a lot of ttettett— very intense and a lot of tactical voting- very intense and a lot of tactical voting in our support. i tactical voting in our support. t the— tactical voting in our support. t going— tactical voting in our support. twte going te— tactical voting in our support. i was going to say about the ttettett— i was going to say about the tactical voting— i was going to say about the tactical voting was a lot of thtt. — tactical voting was a lot of thtt. tee— tactical voting was a lot of thtt. he wet— tactical voting was a lot of that. do you think- tactical voting was a lot of that. j; “

stand aside in some seats where they can't win, to let they know they can't win, to let labour or perhaps defeat the tories vice versa? labour tories or vice versa? labour stand assigning where you stand assigning seats where you can tories? i don't can beat the tories? i don't think there's— can beat the tories? i don't think there's any— ttft�* 7 i don't think there's any question of party— think there's any question of htttw-tette- think there's any question of party-aside the- think there's any question of party aside the lib party standing aside the lib heme— party standing aside the lib eeme tht— party standing aside the lib dems and labour, i'm sure, will put— dems and labour, i'm sure, will put up— dems and labour, i'm sure, will put up t— dems and labour, i'm sure, will put up t tutt— dems and labour, i'm sure, will put up a full slate— dems and labour, i'm sure, will put up a full slate of candidates- put up a full slate of candidates .- put up a full slate of candidates. but what happened in teet— candidates. but what happened in teee whet— candidates. but what happened in teee when the— candidates. but what happened in 1997 when the labour paddy aehtewh— 1997 when the labour paddy ashdown landslide happened was that ashdown landslide happened was thtt thete— ashdown landslide happened was that there was— ashdown landslide happened was that there was a— ashdown landslide happened was that there was a sort of general understanding— that there was a sort of general understanding that you concentrate— understanding that you concentrate your resources in theee— concentrate your resources in theee eette— concentrate your resources in those seats which you can win, whtth— those seats which you can win, whtth te— those seats which you can win, whtth te wet— those seats which you can win, which is you have— those seats which you can win, which is you have to do under the— which is you have to do under the thet— which is you have to do under the tttet etet— which is you have to do under the first past the— which is you have to do under the first past the post system. amt— the first past the post system. amt we— the first past the post system. amt we ttt— the first past the post system. and we did very— the first past the post system. and we did very well. we doubled our numbers more— and we did very well. we doubled our numbers more than doubled our numbers more than doubled ewth-t— our numbers more than doubled our-and labour- our numbers more than doubled our and labour under our numbers and labour under etth— our numbers and labour under htttt eet— our numbers and labour under htttt eet h— our numbers and labour under blair got in with— our numbers and labour under blair got in with a massive , blair got in with a massive, massive majority. so i think a teeetttteh— massive majority. so i think a tehetttteh et— massive majority. so i think a repetition of 1997— massive majority. so i think a repetition of 1997 tacit understandings is very much on the ttte— understandings is very much on the ette . — understandings is very much on the cuts . let's— understandings is very much on the cuts . let's bring- understandings is very much on the cuts . l; i“ the cuts. let's bring jonathan in because, lord, you were you were his junior minister under the reign of terror of vince us for several months . but for several months. but actually, funnily- but actually, funnily enough, i was tttthe— actually, funnily enough, i was tttthe te— actually, funnily enough, i was tttthe te t— actually, funnily enough, i was talking to a couple of very ettehe— talking to a couple of very strong tories— talking to a couple of very strong tories yesterday and they teth— strong tories yesterday and they heth ettt—

strong tories yesterday and they both said that— strong tories yesterday and they both said that we've never been as both said that we've never been te eeet— both said that we've never been te eeet te— both said that we've never been as good as since— both said that we've never been as good as since the coalition. of as good as since the coalition. ot ewee— as good as since the coalition. of course vince— as good as since the coalition. of course vince and i are bound to of course vince and i are bound te ety— of course vince and i are bound te etw thtt— of course vince and i are bound to say that because— of course vince and i are bound to say that because we were in the— to say that because we were in the coalition— to say that because we were in the coalition government. but it t eett— the coalition government. but it was a great pleasure working. i ettohtttw— was a great pleasure working. i originally started— was a great pleasure working. i originally started working with the— originally started working with the heme— originally started working with chris huhne as— originally started working with chris huhne as his number two in ehetew— chris huhne as his number two in emetow tht— chris huhne as his number two in emetow tht he— chris huhne as his number two in energy and he was— chris huhne as his number two in energy and he was really good to wett— energy and he was really good to wett wtth— energy and he was really good to wett wtth tht— energy and he was really good to work with and you— energy and he was really good to work with and you know, people like alexander— work with and you know, people like alexander and vince i thetght— like alexander and vince i thought were— like alexander and vince i thought were excellent in what thew— thought were excellent in what they tht.— thought were excellent in what they the amt— thought were excellent in what they did. and the— thought were excellent in what they did. and the interesting ththe— they did. and the interesting thho teett— they did. and the interesting thing about the _ they did. and the interesting thing about the next election is, thing about the next election te wet— thing about the next election te, wet thew,— thing about the next election is, you know, where is the ttweteh— is, you know, where is the ttweteh e— is, you know, where is the division ? we're- is, you know, where is the division ? we're looking like two division? we're looking like two eeettttet— division? we're looking like two socialist social— division? we're looking like two socialist social democratic ettttee— socialist social democratic httttee et— socialist social democratic parties or three, actually. and whtt-e— parties or three, actually. and whtt-e the— parties or three, actually. and what's the choice? and maybe the thetee — what's the choice? and maybe the choice actually— what's the choice? and maybe the choice actually will— what's the choice? and maybe the choice actually will be that we go choice actually will be that we ge tmte — choice actually will be that we ge tmte t— choice actually will be that we 90 tmte t tow— choice actually will be that we go into a tory lib— choice actually will be that we go into a tory lib dem coalition tettm— go into a tory lib dem coalition tettm. htt— go into a tory lib dem coalition again- htt t— go into a tory lib dem coalition again. but i suspect there's hteht— again. but i suspect there's hteht .— again. but i suspect there's hteht . t— again. but i suspect there's bucha . i worked for ed for bucha. i worked for ed for a mehth— bucha. i worked for ed for a mehth tt— bucha. i worked for ed for a month at davies— bucha. i worked for ed for a month at davies media, so could thew— month at davies media, so could they teett— month at davies media, so could they eettt thew— month at davies media, so could they could they do— month at davies media, so could they could they do that again? i'm they could they do that again? tm tet— they could they do that again? m net ette— they could they do that again? i'm not sure who— they could they do that again? i'm not sure who this- they could they do that again? i'm not sure who this third, third social democratic party is. are you thinking of the tetteee— is. are you thinking of the tetteee we,— is. are you thinking of the tories? no, i'm— are you thinking of the tories? no, i'm thinking of lthew— tories? no, i'm thinking of lthew tht— tories? no, i'm thinking of labour and the— tories? no, i'm thinking of labour and the tories and the

eeettl — labour and the tories and the eeettl wett— labour and the tories and the social. well, that's a bit of a etteteh. — social. well, that's a bit of a etteteh. the— social. well, that's a bit of a stretch. the liberal democrats, i stretch. the liberal democrats, tthht— stretch. the liberal democrats, tthht we-te— stretch. the liberal democrats, i think we're all— stretch. the liberal democrats, i think we're all we've all heeeme— i think we're all we've all become social— i think we're all we've all become social democrat parties. wett— become social democrat parties. wetl|thht— become social democrat parties. well,ithink the— well, i think the differentiation is much well, i think the— differentiation is much stronger thth— differentiation is much stronger thth thtt.— differentiation is much stronger thth thtt. we,— differentiation is much stronger than that. no, i— differentiation is much stronger than that. no, i think the hethhe— than that. no, i think the methho th— than that. no, i think the nothing can be- than that. no, i think the nothing can be ruled out and hethhe— nothing can be ruled out and nothing should— nothing can be ruled out and nothing should be ruled out. but but nothing should be ruled out. but htt the— nothing should be ruled out. but but the chances— nothing should be ruled out. but but the chances of— but the chances of a conservative - but the chances of a conservative lib dem coalition, teth— conservative lib dem coalition, tettm ,— conservative lib dem coalition, teth , te— conservative lib dem coalition, again , are vanishingly small, again, are vanishingly small, i ththh— again, are vanishingly small, i ththt. we,— again, are vanishingly small, i ththt. we, t— again, are vanishingly small, i think. no, i think— again, are vanishingly small, i think. no, i think that's right. i think. no, i think that's right. t ththt— think. no, i think that's right. t thht t— think. no, i think that's right. t thht t the— think. no, i think that's right. i think i was being slightly mischievous,— i think i was being slightly mischievous, but if there is a lthew— mischievous, but if there is a lthew tth— mischievous, but if there is a labour lib dem— mischievous, but if there is a labour lib dem coalition, rehtthth— labour lib dem coalition, jonathan -they- labour lib dem coalition,- jonathan -they.push jonathan, and they do push thtetgh— jonathan, and they do push through electoral reform , what through electoral reform, what wettt—tet- through electoral reform, what would—for the- would that mean for the conservatives?- would that mean for the conservatives? it would be bad tet— conservatives? it would be bad news for labour— conservatives? it would be bad news for labour the news for labour and the conservatives- news for labour and the conservatives .- news for labour and the conservatives . proportional conservatives. proportional representation _ conservatives. proportional representation . representation. worse for the conservatives though, right? who knows? i mean, i think that i etth— knows? i mean, i think that i ettlt tet-t— knows? i mean, i think that i still don't rule— knows? i mean, i think that i still don't rule out— 7 i mean, i think that i still don't rule out rishi wtmhg— still don't rule out rishi winning the— still don't rule out rishi winning the next election. i ththt— winning the next election. i thht he-e— winning the next election. i think he's if— winning the next election. i think he's if he— winning the next election. i think he's if he can deliver on the— think he's if he can deliver on the t— think he's if he can deliver on the l et— think he's if he can deliver on the l et 5— think he's if he can deliver on the 4 or 5 things— think he's if he can deliver on the 4 or 5 things that he's set ett— the 4 or 5 things that he's set ett tht— the 4 or 5 things that he's set ett tht thtt— the 4 or 5 things that he's set out and that we— the 4 or 5 things that he's set out and that we see a tax is tethe— out and that we see a tax is being reduced,— out and that we see a tax is being reduced, inflation coming tewh— being reduced, inflation coming down, immigration being dealt wtth— down, immigration being dealt wtth them— down, immigration being dealt wtth them t— down, immigration being dealt with, then i think people will say,— with, then i think people will say, my— with, then i think people will sayt mw ehetee— with, then i think people will say, my choice between on two

seettt— say, my choice between on two social democrats— say, my choice between on two social democrats ._ say, my choice between on two social democrats . of starmer and social democrats. of starmer and sthtt— social democrats. of starmer and sthtt we— social democrats. of starmer and sthtt we mteht— social democrats. of starmer and sunak we might stick continue to etet— sunak we might stick continue to ethet wtth— sunak we might stick continue to ethet wtth the — sunak we might stick continue to stick with the one,— sunak we might stick continue to stick with the one, the devil we thew— stick with the one, the devil we knew h— stick with the one, the devil we knew th t— stick with the one, the devil we know in a sense.— stick with the one, the devil we know in a sense. and he's you thew,— know in a sense. and he's you knew me— know in a sense. and he's you know, he's he's— know in a sense. and he's you know, he's he's really bought some steadiness— know, he's he's really bought some steadiness back into oewemmeht— some steadiness back into government which is what the tttet— government which is what the nation needs.— government which is what the nation needs. so— government which is what the nation needs. so i don't rule htm— nation needs. so i don't rule htm ett— nation needs. so i don't rule him out winning— nation needs. so i don't rule him out winning again. in fact, twe— him out winning again. in fact, the get— him out winning again. in fact, the get t— him out winning again. in fact, twe get t het— him out winning again. in fact, i've got a bet on— him out winning again. in fact, i've got a bet on it. so but but whtt— i've got a bet on it. so but but whtt wee— i've got a bet on it. so but but what were the— i've got a bet on it. so but but what were the odds 7 to 1. 't: what were the odds 7 to 1. and hew— what were the odds 7 to 1. and hew meth— what were the odds 7 to 1. and hew much ttt— what were the odds 7 to 1. and how much did you— what were the odds 7 to 1. and how much did you put on? i better not tell you. i'm sorry. i better not tell you. i'm sorry. t thew,— better not tell you. i'm sorry. t thew, htt— better not tell you. i'm sorry. t thew, htt t— better not tell you. i'm sorry. i know, but i won't say because you— i know, but i won't say because we tett— i know, but i won't say because wet tett — i know, but i won't say because you told me. vince- i know, but i won't say because you told me. . tt.:; ;i�* i know, but i won't say because you told me. . tt.;i ? you told me. vince on pr, though. vince, did you put any money on that? vince i mean, pr the tettee— money on that? vince i mean, pr the tories will— money on that? vince i mean, pr the tories will project— money on that? vince i mean, pr the tories will project it- ;�*t;i�*t;i«t ;i�* $17 vince i mean, pr the tories will project it if you— the tories will project it if wet tete— the tories will project it if wet wete tet— the tories will project it if you vote for if— the tories will project it if you vote for if you vote labour or you vote for if you vote labour et tt— you vote for if you vote labour et tt wet— you vote for if you vote labour et tt wet tete— you vote for if you vote labour or if you vote liberal democrat. we-te— or if you vote liberal democrat. we going— or if you vote liberal democrat. we going te— or if you vote liberal democrat. we're going to have— or if you vote liberal democrat. we're going to have a— or if you vote liberal democrat. we're going to have a hung- we're going to have a hung potentially a hung parliament and a coalition a proportional representation, is representation, which is a recipe for chaos and bad government. you look at italy governments every other year . governments every other year. why do you think pr would be so much better for the way the country is going? well, i didn't use the phrase pr, you know,

it's one particular version. well, you tried a&e last time tht—etetttw- well, you tried a&e last time and—clearly needi and that didn't clearly need eleetettt— electoral reform. there are tttteteht— electoral reform. there are different ways— electoral reform. there are different ways of doing it. the remthe— different ways of doing it. the rehtme tehett— different ways of doing it. the jenkins report that was commissioned under tony blair ette— commissioned under tony blair ette t— commissioned under tony blair otwe t-eeet— commissioned under tony blair gave a good formula that i gave a very good formula that i ththt— gave a very good formula that i thht meete— gave a very good formula that i think meets the _ gave a very good formula that i think meets the british ttttttteh— think meets the british tradition of— think meets the british tradition of constituency mps wtth— tradition of constituency mps with additional— tradition of constituency mps with additional top ups. it's the— with additional top ups. it's more the german model. i mean, thtt— more the german model. i mean, thtt wettt— more the german model. i mean, that would work,— more the german model. i mean, that would work, but you know, thtt— that would work, but you know, thtt temtm— that would work, but you know, that remains to— that would work, but you know, that remains to be— that would work, but you know, that remains to be explored. and it that remains to be explored. and tt eettthtw— that remains to be explored. and it certainly isn't— that remains to be explored. and it certainly isn't a— that remains to be explored. and it certainly isn't a recipe for thtee — it certainly isn't a recipe for thtee .— it certainly isn't a recipe for chaos. i mean,— it certainly isn't a recipe for chaos. i mean, you may or may het— chaos. i mean, you may or may met ttte— chaos. i mean, you may or may met the whtt— chaos. i mean, you may or may not like what the— chaos. i mean, you may or may not like what the german cettttteh— not like what the german coalition is— not like what the german coalition is doing, but they're wett— coalition is doing, but they're very etthte— coalition is doing, but they're very stable and— coalition is doing, but they're very stable and most of the eteteeettt— very stable and most of the successful western european oeemmehte— successful western european governments are coalitions of some form or the— governments are coalitions of some form or the other. so it's eettthtw— some form or the other. so it's certainly nothing— some form or the other. so it's certainly nothing to be frightened— certainly nothing to be frightened of. i think we're not tttthe—t- talking about actually a coalition— talking about actually a coalition-the- talking about actually a coalition the next coalition after the next eteetteh— coalition after the next i election. _very election. i think it's very unlikelv-_ election. i think it's very unlikely. but— election. i think it's very unlikely. but if that is the tete— unlikely. but if that is the tent tetm— unlikely. but if that is the long term outlook , we should long term outlook, we should emhtte— long term outlook, we should emhtte tt— long term outlook, we should emhtte tt . — long term outlook, we should embrace it. and— long term outlook, we should embrace it. and i- long term outlook, we should embrace it. 'c long term outlook, we should embrace it . ' r: embrace it. and i want to ask you one last question, because i know he's a good friend of yours. rumour is, boris johnson is going to stand as the mp for henley on thames the next henley on thames at the next election. you confirm or

election. can you confirm or deny that rumour? i can't confirm or deny- deny that rumour? i can't confirm or deny that- my 7 i can't confirm or deny that rumour at all confirm or deny that rumour at tlt hetttee— confirm or deny that rumour at tlt heettee .— confirm or deny that rumour at all because i have— confirm or deny that rumour at all because i have no first hand thewtetee— all because i have no first hand tmwteteeltt— all because i have no first hand knowledge it. think the knowledge of it. i think the tttet— knowledge of it. i think the tttet ththe— knowledge of it. i think the first thing is— knowledge of it. i think the first thing is he's got to get thtetgh— first thing is he's got to get thtetoh thte— first thing is he's got to get through this scrutiny. committee tehett— through this scrutiny. committee tehett tht— through this scrutiny. committee report and depending on the eteteme— report and depending on the eteteme et— report and depending on the outcome of that, i mean, the eettthw— outcome of that, i mean, the scrutiny committee is outrageous. - scrutiny committee is outrageous. i think . erg but outrageous. i think. erg but thtt-e— outrageous. i think. erg but thtt-e th— outrageous. i think. erg but that's an aside.— outrageous. i think. erg but that's an aside. when he gets thteteh— that's an aside. when he gets thtetoh thtt,— that's an aside. when he gets through that, i'm— that's an aside. when he gets through that, i'm sure he'll wtht— through that, i'm sure he'll wtht te— through that, i'm sure he'll want to continue in his own temettttehew— want to continue in his own eemettttehew .— want to continue in his own constituency . of- want to continue in his own constituency . of course, henley constituency. of course, henley wettt— constituency. of course, henley wettt ttmeet— constituency. of course, henley would almost certainly love to me— would almost certainly love to htwe htm — would almost certainly love to have him back— would almost certainly love to have him back because he is a tete— have him back because he is a wete — have him back because he is a vote winner. yeah.— have him back because he is a vote winner. “in?“ ca" vote winner. yeah. can we just vince, one last question on the rwanda bill. the archbishop of canterbury said it's canterbury yesterday said it's morally repugnant. lib dems, canterbury yesterday said it's morepaddick,inant. lib dems, canterbury yesterday said it's morepaddick, tried lib dems, canterbury yesterday said it's morepaddick, tried to lib dems, canterbury yesterday said it's morepaddick, tried to killb dems, canterbury yesterday said it's morepaddick, tried to kill thetms, lord paddick, tried to kill the bill stone dead with something called a fatal motion. that's not what the lib dems should be doing in parliament. bill doing in parliament. this bill has through commons. has gone through the commons. it's revising in it's supposed to be revising in the of lords, killing the house of lords, not killing bills. well, lord paddick is one of bills. well, lord paddick is one et ew— bills. well, lord paddick is one et meet— well, lord paddick is one of our most conscientious and etteettwe— of our most conscientious and effective lords. _ of our most conscientious and effective lords. as— of our most conscientious and effective lords. as happened effective lords. as it happened . htt.— effective lords. as it happened . htt. htt— effective lords. as it happened . htt. htt .— effective lords. as it happened . but. but i wouldn't have lord ttttttt— . but. but i wouldn't have lord tttttet et— . but. but i wouldn't have lord paddick or lord— . but. but i wouldn't have lord paddick or lord marland or the atehhteheh— paddick or lord marland or the atthhteheh et— paddick or lord marland or the archbishop of canterbury making ttwe. — archbishop of canterbury making ttwe. |meth— archbishop of canterbury making ttwe.|meth .— archbishop of canterbury making ttwe.|meth , .— archbishop of canterbury making laws. mean , i would get rid of

laws. i mean, i would get rid of the— laws. i mean, i would get rid of the hetee— laws. i mean, i would get rid of the hetee et— laws. i mean, i would get rid of the house of lords— laws. i mean, i would get rid of the house of lords replace the house of lords and replace it the house of lords and replace tt—tehteeeht- it with a more represent eemetttwe— it with a more represent sensitive institution . 4;. ”t; sensitive institution. you're ett— sensitive institution. you're eetmete.— sensitive institution. you're out there, jonathan. i thought we were friends. you know. so you don't think that was the right move by paddick, the house of lords, as it is presently structured , is a revising structured, is a revising chamber. iunderstand structured, is a revising chamber. i understand if i think if i chamber. i understand if i think h t wee— chamber. i understand if i think h t h— chamber. i understand if i think if i were in the— chamber. i understand if i think if i were in the house- t i understand if i think if i were in the house of lords, t-m — if i were in the house of lords, t-m het— if i were in the house of lords, t-m met tht— if i were in the house of lords, t-m met tht .— if i were in the house of lords, i'm not and i don't— if i were in the house of lords, i'm not and i don't wish to be. htt— i'm not and i don't wish to be. htt .— i'm not and i don't wish to be. htt t ththt— i'm not and i don't wish to be. htt t thht .— i'm not and i don't wish to be. but i think i would want to use it but i think i would want to use tt te— but i think i would want to use tt te tte— but i think i would want to use it to its maximum— but i think i would want to use it to its maximum extent, which is it to its maximum extent, which he whtt— it to its maximum extent, which he whtt lett— it to its maximum extent, which is what lord paddick's doing. so i is what lord paddick's doing. so t thtetettht— is what lord paddick's doing. so i understand what— is what lord paddick's doing. so i understand what the guy is up to i understand what the guy is up te-tt-e— i understand what the guy is up to-it's perfectly— i understand what the guy is up to it's perfectly nobody ask to and it's perfectly nobody ask you— to and it's perfectly nobody ask wet—hetee- to and it's perfectly nobody ask wet—heme et- to and it's perfectly nobody ask you house of lords. you to join the house of lords. as you to join the house of lords. ae-eththet— you to join the house of lords. as cabinet minister in as a former cabinet minister in heth,— as a former cabinet minister in heth-t— as a former cabinet minister in heth-t teet— as a former cabinet minister in heth-t teet mw- as a former cabinet minister in 2015, i lost my seat, but 2015, when i lost my seat, but i theteht— 2015, when i lost my seat, but i thetehtlwte— 2015, when i lost my seat, but i thoughtlwas more— 2015, when i lost my seat, but i. thoughtlwas more-to thought it was more important to win thought it was more important to wh—hte— win my seat back into parliament,- win my seat back into parliament, which i did. and twe— parliament, which i did. and tte-eet— parliament, which i did. and tte-eet t— parliament, which i did. and i've got a separate career. i've now got a separate career. tteht. — i've now got a separate career. tteht. se— i've now got a separate career. them. he wet-te— i've now got a separate career. right. so you're not interested in right. so you're not interested he going— right. so you're not interested he going ttet— right. so you're not interested in going back into the house of lettee — in going back into the house of lettee we.— in going back into the house of lords? no. all— in going back into the house of lords? no. all right.- in going back into the house of lords? \t; ” lg 4;. in going back into the house of lords? \t; ” lg /tv;. : lords? no. all right. you heard it here first. that's vince it here first. that's sir vince cable. thank both thank you. tetem.— cable. thank both thank you. tetem-eeme,- cable. thank both thank you. right. _come, the- both thank you. right. come, the bank right. still to come, the batik of right. still to come, the bank et thgttht— right. still to come, the bank et thgttht-te- right. still to come, the bank of england to announce of england is set to announce its of england is set to announce tte ttteet— of england is set to announce its latest interest— of england is set to announce its latest interest rate tetteteh — its latest interest rate decision. and we're going to be teethe— decision. and we're going to be teethelhew— decision. and we're going to be looking-howlcould- decision. and we're going to be looking how could affect looking at how it could affect the-h— looking at how it could affect the-h wett— looking at how it could affect the in your pocket. this the pound in your pocket. this is the pound in your pocket. this he te— the pound in your pocket. this he te-teht— the pound in your pocket. this is to-point-news.. is to the point on gb news. good morning-— is to the point on gb news. good memho—te— is to the point on gb news. good memhg. —te wett-

is to the point on gb news. goodi morning. _to your latest morning. welcome to your latest gb news weather update. with me, annie shuttleworth from met annie shuttleworth from the met office. after office. now today, after a brighter start, we see some brighter start, we will see some showers a risk showers breaking out and a risk of thunderstorms once again . the of thunderstorms once again. the reason it's been quite so unsettled because got unsettled is because we've got low pressure that's bringing some unstable air across some quite unstable air across the uk through the rest throughout today . but things throughout today. but things will start to settle down as we head into the weekend . so some head into the weekend. so some sunshine first thing across central and southern areas of england well as central and england as well as central and western areas of scotland. but by lunchtime we will start to see some pretty heavy downpours breaking out. another risk of thunderstorms, particularly across the eastern side of the country , where the rain could country, where the rain could last for quite a while and lead to some quite large puddles and surface water flooding as well . surface water flooding as well. now, though, in any sunshine away from the showers, particularly across western areas, it will feel warm highs of 16 or 17 degrees later on. then through this evening, things will turn much drier and we start to see our winds shift. and that's going to drag in some

low cloud from the north sea . so low cloud from the north sea. so quite a misty and murky night to come tonight , particularly over come tonight, particularly over any coastal areas and high ground. but temperatures again around average for the time of yeah around average for the time of year. by the time we get to tomorrow morning. so quite a misty start tomorrow apart from across west, the far western areas where we'll see some sunshine from the get go. the cloud will burn back through the afternoon . however, many eastern afternoon. however, many eastern areas will stay quite cool and cloudy throughout much of the day . and so temperatures here day. and so temperatures here will be slightly suppressed closer to 11 or 12 degrees. however in that sunshine , however in that sunshine, feeling more like 17 or 18 degrees. now that warm weather will become more widespread for saturday as we see a good amount of sunshine across the country. but the next batch of rain will arrive from the west on sunday. have a lovely day

it's 10 am. on wednesday, the 11th of may. this is to the point on gb news with me, andrew pierce and bev turner. thank you very much for joining pierce and bev turner. thank you very much forjoining us pierce and bev turner. thank you very much for joining us this morning. now another kick in the wtttet— morning. now another kick in the we tet— morning. now another kick in the wallet for homeowners— lg now another kick in the wallet for homeowners with hteteet— wallet for homeowners with interest rates— wallet for homeowners with interest rates looking set to tee— interest rates looking set to teth— interest rates looking set to rise again lunchtime, why rise again this lunchtime, why tht— rise again this lunchtime, why tht whtt— rise again this lunchtime, why tht whtt te— rise again this lunchtime, why and what is it— rise again this lunchtime, why and what is it going to mean for you?— and what is it going to mean for yew-eeet— and what is it going to mean for yew-eeet et— and what is it going to mean for you? cost of mortgages must you? the cost of mortgages must ewetw— you? the cost of mortgages must ewetw he— you? the cost of mortgages must surely be approaching a peak and thee— surely be approaching a peak and tteetem—t— cries of betrayal from brexiteers _ cries of betrayal from brexiteers has brexiteers rishi sunak has ttmeet—tel brexiteers rishi sunak has- dumped _to ditch dumped that promise to ditch teee— dumped that promise to ditch thee th— dumped that promise to ditch 4000 eu laws— dumped that promise to ditch 4000 eu laws by— dumped that promise to ditch 4000 eu laws by the end of the

wet. — 4000 eu laws by the end of the wet. thew-te— 4000 eu laws by the end of the wet. thew-te ttet— 4000 eu laws by the end of the year. they're just going- 4000 eu laws by the end of the year. lg; lg lg; year. they're just going to get rid 600. another victory for rid of 600. another victory for the whitehall westminster blob . the whitehall westminster blob. but europe couldn't see many stronger in liverpool and with eurovision fans descending to its streets, we're going to catch up with a former winner to discuss the impact of music's showpiece event, all to come onto the point . i love onto the point. i love eurovision. i onto the point. i love eurovision . i was just going to eurovision. i was just going to say— eurovision. i was just going to etw te— eurovision. i was just going to etw te yout— eurovision. i was just going to etw te yout he— eurovision. i was just going to etw te yout he wet— e. i was just going to say to you, do you like that? heeeh-t— say to you, do you like that? doesn't surprise _ say to you, do you like that? doesn't surprise me. ”cit: doesn't surprise me. i turned the— doesn't surprise me. i turned the volume down for most of the songs and enjoy the voting. what the voting is, the fun, and particularly britain gets nil particularly if britain gets nil points, you don't listen to the song? of me. terrible, song? no. most of me. terrible, terrible . anyway. right? let us terrible. anyway. right? let us know your thoughts. - know your thoughts. gbviews@gbnews.uk if you also listen to the eurovision song contest with sound turned contest with the sound turned off, let us know. but first off, do let us know. but first off, do let us know. but first of all, here your news of all, here are your news headunes of all, here are your news headlines jones . headlines with rhiannon jones. good morning . it's 10:02 good morning. it's10:02 o'clock. your top stories from

the gb newsroom . the bank of the gb newsroom. the bank of england is widely expected to raise interest rates for a 12th consecutive time later as it tries to tackle soaring inflation. economists predict the base rate will increase by a quarter of a percentage point , quarter of a percentage point, from 4.25 to 4.5. the rise would take interest rates to the highest level since 2008. the head of financial analysis at aj bell , danni head of financial analysis at aj bell, danni hewson, says it's an incredibly worrying time for mortgage holders , especially mortgage holders, especially those on the standard variable rate . they have seen thousands rate. they have seen thousands of pounds of additional costs piled upon them. the big question , of course though is question, of course though is where does it go next? and certainly at the moment markets are anticipating at least one more interest rate hike of about a quarter of a% but potentially interest rates going all the way to 5% to towards the summer and ahead of another predicted rise in interest rates. labour's accused rishi sunak of being

personally responsible for what it's branded a £1 billion tory mortgage penalty motty households have paid over £1 billion in higher mortgage payments since liz truss's mini—budget last year. that's according to labour's analysis of research by the resolution foundation think tank. but the party claims the blame also lies with the prime minister, who they say left britain with a high tax burden when he was chancellor. according to consumer group, which almost three quarters of a million households missed their rent or mortgage payment last month , mortgage payment last month, rail services run by operator transpennine express are to be brought under government control . the transport secretary has announced that decision follows continuous cancellations. mark harper says the firm's contract won't be extended nor renewed . won't be extended nor renewed. the department of transport will instead take over from may the 28th. the train operator , which 28th. the train operator, which covers northern england and runs in parts of scotland, saw 1 in 6

services cancelled in march . services cancelled in march. adam price has announced he's quitting as leader of plied comedy . the decision comes just comedy. the decision comes just days after a review found a culture of sexual harassment, bullying and misogyny in the welsh nationalist party. it found the party had failed to implement a zero tolerance approach to sexual harassment and that women, especially had been let down. mr price has apologised and says recommendations to detoxify party will be taken on board and in the last few minutes we can confirm clear griffith has been nominated as the acting leader, subject to ratification by the party council on saturday for former us president donald trump says he'd pardon many supporters for their involvement in the january 6th capitol riots if he wins the next election . speaking wins the next election. speaking at a cnn town hall in new hampshire, he also refused to acknowledge he lost the 2020 election. the debate was also

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divided government. jacob rees—mogg, who introduced the plans, has accused rishi sunak of abandoning his promise. word and his deeds are not matching . and his deeds are not matching. thatis and his deeds are not matching. that is a dangerous position for a that is a dangerous position for t ttme— that is a dangerous position for a prime minister— that is a dangerous position for a prime minister to be in the heth— a prime minister to be in the 2019 manifesto— a prime minister to be in the 2019 manifesto that people like me get— 2019 manifesto that people like me got elected— 2019 manifesto that people like me got elected on— 2019 manifesto that people like me got elected on is not being tettewet. — me got elected on is not being followed. brexit,— me got elected on is not being followed. brexit, that was meant to followed. brexit, that was meant te he— followed. brexit, that was meant to be safeguarded— followed. brexit, that was meant to be safeguarded by this is now tethe— to be safeguarded by this is now being htettet— to be safeguarded by this is now being blocked by— to be safeguarded by this is now being blocked by remainers in the hetee— being blocked by remainers in the hetee et— being blocked by remainers in the house of lords and weakness temhe— the house of lords and weakness eemme ttem — the house of lords and weakness coming from ministries. this te— coming from ministries. this seems to me to— coming from ministries. this seems to me to be a real blow to heme— seems to me to be a real blow to htextt, t— seems to me to be a real blow to brexit, a problem— seems to me to be a real blow to brexit, a problem for— seems to me to be a real blow to brexit, a problem for brexit not tettwetthe— brexit, a problem for brexit not tettwetthe eh— brexit, a problem for brexit not delivering on what we want and not delivering on what we want and met ettht— delivering on what we want and met giving te— delivering on what we want and not giving us the— delivering on what we want and not giving us the fruits of deregulation— not giving us the fruits of deregulation that we voted for. the— deregulation that we voted for. the ttmett— deregulation that we voted for. the ttmett et— deregulation that we voted for. the number of people- deregulation that we voted for. the number of people in- deregulation that we voted for. the number of people in england waiting to start routine hospital treatment has risen to a new record high, according to nhs england, an estimated 7.3 million people were waiting to start treatment in march. that's up from 7.2 million in february. it's the highest number since

records began . in august two records began. in august two thousand and seven. and canada has unveiled its new passport design with more security features and a nod to our newly crowned king. it's the first passport in the commonwealth to mention the new monarch. but the coat of arms it displays is in fact the queen's. as the new version was created before king charles approved it . this version was created before king charles approved it. this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now, though, it's back to beth and . to beth and. andrew our grim tidings, to beth and. andrew- . our grim tidings, i'm to beth and. andrew— - our grim tidings, i'm afraid. our grim tidings, i'm afraid. the batik - our grim tidings, i'm afraid. the htht—tei the bank of england predicted to thee— the bank of england predicted to t-teetttee— the bank of england predicted to raise-rates for— the bank of england predicted to raise - rates for the - raise interest rates for the oi.— raise interest rates for the tzth ttme— raise interest rates for the 12th time in— raise interest rates for the 12th time in a— raise interest rates for the 12th time in a row today to the hteheet— 12th time in a row today to the htoheet tetet— 12th time in a row today to the highest level since 2008. it tethteet— highest level since 2008. it continues _toj continues as it continues to htttte— continues as it continues to battle inflationary pressures . battle inflationary pressures. experts— battle inflationary pressures. experts believe— battle inflationary pressures. experts believe that- battle inflationary pressures. experts believe that the- battle inflationary pressures. experts believe that the base rate quarter of a rate will rise by a quarter of a % 4.5. well, we're going to % to 4.5. well, we're going to speak now to the deputy editor of the online publication capex,

alice denby . alice, very alice denby. alice, very teeteeeho— alice denby. alice, very teeteeeho. - alice denby. alice, very depressing . i- j; tt.t;i jt;ii�*:yt alice, very depressing . i“ alice denby. alice, very depressing . i mean, it is. but depressing. i mean, it is. but i think this was broadly baked in. i think people are expecting this. and i think, frankly, teette— this. and i think, frankly, heehte te— and i think, frankly, people are expecting it to go etth— people are expecting it to go ettlt-htt— people are expecting it to go still but obviously still higher. but it's obviously a still higher. but it's obviously t-te— still higher. but it's obviously t-te-whe- still higher. but it's obviously a-to _who are i still higher. but it's obviously a-to-who are on a worry to people who are on wtttthte— a worry to people who are on variable mortgages, for example. a worry to people who are on varieltle mortgages, for example. a worry to people who are on variel thinktrtgages, for example. a worry to people who are on variel think thatjes, for example. a worry to people who are on variel think that the for example. a worry to people who are on variel think that the biggestiple. and i think that the biggest consequence— and i think that the biggest consequence people will consequence that people will teet— consequence that people will teet-thte— consequence that people will feel-this does- consequence that people will feel this does tip feel is if this does tip the eeemw— feel is if this does tip the economy into— feel is if this does tip the economy into recession, because thtt—mtte— economy into recession, because that make everybody that is going to make everybody heetet— that is going to make everybody heetetlhtt— that is going to make everybody poorer-and we've— that is going to make everybody poorer lg; poorer. and we've already got the highest tax burden in the country for years. country for 70 odd years. interest rates are now higher in this country than a lot of other countries. and as you say, inflation running inflation also is running something like 10% on the everyday essentials that people need. so every household in the tethtw— need. so every household in the eethttw te— need. so every household in the country is feeling— : so every household in the country is feeling this. but the htehtem — country is feeling this. but the htehtem te— country is feeling this. but the htehtem te tt— country is feeling this. but the problem is, if we— country is feeling this. but the problem is, if we do go into recession, if— problem is, if we do go into recession, if we— problem is, if we do go into recession, if we go into hegtttwe— recession, if we go into negative growth, that is tettthte— negative growth, that is. terrible _term terrible for the long term hteeheete— terrible for the long term hteeheete et— terrible for the long term prospects of this country. we've been — prospects of this country. we've been thteteh— prospects of this country. we've been through an— prospects of this country. we've been through an extended period of been through an extended period et-etteeteh— been through an extended period of sluggish growth. of extremely sluggish growth. amt— of extremely sluggish growth. a.d_,- of extremely sluggish growth. i a.d_, thtt-e and if we go backwards, that's a htghtmtte— and if we go backwards, that's a nightmare-future- and if we go backwards, that's a nightmare-future .- and if we go backwards, that's a nightmare future . and nightmare for the future. and ttthttw— nightmare for the future. and frankly,.doesn't_ nightmare for the future. and frankly, doesn't feel at frankly, it doesn't feel at the memet— frankly, it doesn't feel at the moment like _ frankly, it doesn't feel at the moment like the— frankly, it doesn't feel at the moment like the government has the tht— moment like the government has the kind-innovative— moment like the government has the kind innovative policies the kind of innovative policies we-te— the kind of innovative policies we-te-te— the kind of innovative policies we-to-us-to- we need to get us back to gtewth— we need to get us back to otewth the— we need to get us back to growth, the policy working.

they— growth, the policy working. they _ interest. growth, the policy working. i they _ interest rates they keep putting interest rates up is still over up and inflation is still over 10. imean, up and inflation is still over 10. i mean, i think these things emetmee— 10. i mean, i think these things sometimes take— 10. i mean, i think these things sometimes take a— �*0 i mean, i think these things sometimes take a while to feed thteteh. — sometimes take a while to feed thtetoh. thete— sometimes take a while to feed through. there are— sometimes take a while to feed through. there are some ete— through. there are some economists that through. there are some- economists-that the bank economists who say that the batik of economists who say that the bank et thettht— economists who say that the bank et thettht te— economists who say that the bank of england is being— economists who say that the bank of england is being too hasty, economists who say that the bank of etin and is being too hasty, economists who say that the bank of etin and inflationtoo hasty, economists who say that the bank of etin and inflation is» hasty, economists who say that the bank of etin and inflation is veryty, that in fact inflation is very tttett— that in fact inflation is very lttetw te— that in fact inflation is very likely to come— that in fact inflation is very likely to come down anyway. i ththt— likely to come down anyway. i thht ete— likely to come down anyway. i think gas prices— likely to come down anyway. i think gas prices are already ttttho— think gas prices are already ttttmo htt— think gas prices are already falling, but-so- think gas prices are already falling, but so much falling, but there's so much tteettthtw— falling, but there's so much uncertainty, much falling, but there's so much uncertainty,.much on uncertainty, so much depends on whtt— uncertainty, so much depends on whtt-h— uncertainty, so much depends on what-in ukraine.- uncertainty, so much depends on what in ukraine. so, i what happens in ukraine. so, i thete— what happens in ukraine. so, i mean, there is— what happens in ukraine. so, i mean, there is an— what happens in ukraine. so, i mean, there is an argument that heththe— mean, there is an argument that heththe the— mean, there is an argument that perhaps the bank— mean, there is an argument that perhaps the bank of england teett— perhaps the bank of england tettt he— perhaps the bank of england tettt he t— perhaps the bank of england could be a bit— perhaps the bank of england could be a bit more cautious. i ththt— could be a bit more cautious. i thht t— could be a bit more cautious. i thht t let— could be a bit more cautious. i think a lot of— could be a bit more cautious. i think a lot of economists also httme— think a lot of economists also httme the— think a lot of economists also blame the bank— think a lot of economists also blame the bank of england for being— blame the bank of england for hethg-etew— blame the bank of england for hethe-etew te- blame the bank of england for being slow to respond beitig way too slow to respotid for being way too slow to respond tet-ttt— being way too slow to respond tet-ttt tee— being way too slow to respond for-far too much- being way too slow to respond for far too much money for printing far too much money tethe— for printing far too much money twhg the— for printing far too much money during the pandemic and for not eeetme— during the pandemic and for not seeing-crisis— during the pandemic and for not seeing crisis coming. yeah seeing this crisis coming. yeah oi.— seeing this crisis coming. yeah tzth tee— seeing this crisis coming. yeah tzth tteelt— seeing this crisis coming. yeah 12th rise-a row— seeing this crisis coming. yeah 12th rise-a row ,_ seeing this crisis coming. yeah 12th rise a row , though. 12th rise in a row, though. htee.— 12th rise in a row, though. htee. te— 12th rise in a row, though. htee. to wet— 12th rise in a row, though. alice, do you genuinely think this will be the last one? because home owners who are on variable mortgage rates cannot cope with any more going out of their bank accounts every month? i think it's highly likely that the— i think it's highly likely that thte wet-t— i think it's highly likely that this won't be— i think it's highly likely that this won't be the last one. i ththt— this won't be the last one. i thht thete— this won't be the last one. i think there are _ this won't be the last one. i think there are certain expectations- think there are certain expectations baked, baked in alfeadyt_ expectations baked, baked in tttettw-h— expectations baked, baked in already,-in fact,- expectations baked, baked in already, in fact, you know, already, but in fact, you know, ttet— already, but in fact, you know, ttet te— already, but in fact, you know, just to reassure _ already, but in fact, you know, just to reassure some mortgage hettete— just to reassure some mortgage hettete the — just to reassure some mortgage holders, the borrowing rate tetttw— holders, the borrowing rate really depends—

holders, the borrowing rate really depends more on expectations— really depends more on expectations than than the rate se — expectations than than the rate se tttet— expectations than than the rate rise. so given that— expectations than than the rate rise. so given that people are emettme— rise. so given that people are exeeetho tt— rise. so given that people are exeeetho tt te— rise. so given that people are expecting it to go higher, they ehettt— expecting it to go higher, they ehettt het— expecting it to go higher, they should not maybe worry so much tteet— should not maybe worry so much thett t— should not maybe worry so much thett t ehthee— should not maybe worry so much about a change and they never lett— about a change and they never let up— about a change and they never let up the— about a change and they never seem put up the interest seem to put up the interest tttee— seem to put up the interest tttee eh— seem to put up the interest tttee eh wett— seem to put up the interest rates on your savings account as tttettw. — rates on your savings account as tttettw. .— rates on your savings account as tttettw. t mett— rates on your savings account as quickly. i mean, they- rates on your savings account as quickly. i“ rates on your savings account as quickly. i mean, they all they always lag behind. alice yes , always lag behind. alice yes, indeed.i always lag behind. alice yes, indeed. ithink always lag behind. alice yes, indeed. i think a lot of consumers— indeed. i think a lot of consumers find- :: i think a lot of consumers find that very tttettt— consumers find that very difficult to— consumers find that very difficult to understand, and i ththt— difficult to understand, and i thht tte— difficult to understand, and i thht he get— difficult to understand, and i think it's got a— difficult to understand, and i think it's got a lot to do with hew— think it's got a lot to do with hew hthte— think it's got a lot to do with how banks operate, ripping us ett. — how banks operate, ripping us ett. thtt-e— how banks operate, ripping us off. that's one— how banks operate, ripping us off. that's one thing- how banks operate, ripping us off. g ;5 off. that's one thing us off. jeremy leaf is also here,- jeremy leaf is also here, a tetmet— jeremy leaf is also here, a former residential chairman of fortner residetitial chairman of the former residential chairman of the tewtt— former residential chairman of the royal institution of chtttetet— the royal institution of chartered surveyors and a state teette— chartered surveyors and a state toemte thtt-e— chartered surveyors and a state agents. that's me— chartered surveyors and a state agents. that's me .— chartered surveyors and a state agents. that's me . what is the agents. that's me. what is the tmetet— agents. that's me. what is the tmetet et— agents. that's me. what is the tmetet et thte— agents. that's me. what is the impact of this having on the tttett— impact of this having on the actual housing— impact of this having on the actual housing market at the memehte— actual housing market at the moment? jeremy it's very hteteethg— moment? jeremy it's very interesting what alison and ahttew— interesting what alison and ahttew te— interesting what alison and andrew are saying there about atidrew are sayitig there about the andrew are saying there about the htee— andrew are saying there about the base rate— andrew are saying there about the base rate going up. but the tettttw— the base rate going up. but the tettttw te— the base rate going up. but the tettttw te et— the base rate going up. but the reality is on the street, mortgage rates have been coming down or stabilising and that's helped to keep activity going. i mean, it felt terrible after september. it felt like someone had pulled the plugs out, the phones. it was just that bad. after the truss budget. it was just awful. and it's gradually

picked up from there and it's actually more balanced the actually more balanced in the market to see more market now. we want to see more transactions. people moving. it's the job and social it's good for the job and social mobility. it's housing is such an important part of the economy. it affects so many other trades and businesses. what did you make of rishi emtte— what did you make of rishi emtte-te- what did you make of rishi sunaks-to not- what did you make of rishi sunaks to not try to sutiaks decisioti to not try to hit sunaks decision to not try to htt the— sunaks decision to not try to hit the building— sunaks decision to not try to hit the building target that is hit the builditig target that is a hit the building target that is t tetttw— hit the building target that is a really important one because a really itnportatit otie because to a really important one because te eet— a really important one because te eet thtt— a really important one because to get that balance in the mtttet— to get that balance in the mtttetlget— to get that balance in the market, get people coming in to get that balance in the mar out, get people coming in to get that balance in the mar out, notat people coming in to get that balance in the mar out, not spending coming in to get that balance in the mar out, not spending tooting in to get that balance in the mar out, not spending too much atid out, not spetiditig too much oti and out, not spending too much eh temt— and out, not spending too much eh teht tht— and out, not spending too much on rent and wanting to buy, we meet— on rent and wanting to buy, we meet te— on rent and wanting to buy, we meet te htwe— on rent and wanting to buy, we need to have more— on rent and wanting to buy, we need to have more supply , need to have more supply, httttetttttw— need to have more supply, particularly of— need to have more supply, particularly of affordable supply— particularly of affordable supply - _ particularly of affordable supply . particularly of affordable- supply . people want want to buy supply. people want want to buy or to rent affordable homes and they're enough of them. they're not enough of them. and it's an advisory rather it's become an advisory rather than a mandatory target. and i think it's now about a quarter of authorities don't have of local authorities don't have a in which aim, at a target in which to aim, at which is difficult some which is difficult to some of the today. jeremy, but the papers today. jeremy, but how the papers today. jeremy, but hew-eeetete— the papers today. jeremy, but hew-eeetete tm- the papers today. jeremy, but how-people in their- : jeremy, but how people in their late how many people in their late the— how many people in their late eee te— how many people in their late 20s are still— how many people in their late 20s are still living at home wtth— 20s are still living at home wtth-ttte - 20s are still living at home with-dad? veryl with mum and dad? very interesting. well- with mum and dad? very interesting. well to interesting. well harmful to temt— interesting. well harmful to tent-etm-t- interesting. well harmful to rent-can't afford. interesting. well harmful to rent-can't afford toj rent and they can't afford to buy- — rent and they can't afford to buy-and- rent and they can't afford to buy. _and they're i rent and they can't afford to- buy.-and they're saving buy. exactly. and they're saving and they're up deposits and they're saving up deposits because costs so more because it costs so much more to deposit that's we've deposit and that's why we've seen perhaps business

opportunity some building opportunity of some building societies lenders coming in societies and lenders coming in with 95 or 100% mortgages. so that was the skipton 9; 00 :: so that was the skipton building eeetetw— that was the skipton building society earlier— that was the skipton building society earlier this week, i thtmh— society earlier this week, ii think,_announce think, didn't they announce that thew— they are going to launch a heteet— they are going to launch a product which— they are going to launch a product which zero deposit product which is a zero deposit mettotee— product which is a zero deposit mettotoe ttte— product which is a zero deposit mortgage erg why would they do that mortgage erg why would they do thtt mew— mortgage erg why would they do thtt tmt— mortgage erg why would they do that now and why— mortgage erg why would they do that now and why haven't they teme— that now and why haven't they teme thtt— that now and why haven't they done that before? kittie. . done that before? well, it's ttethet— done that before? well, it's another good point because in a way, why would you issue a mortgage like that if you didn't have confidence in the longer term ability of the property in the housing market and house pnces the housing market and house prices to maintain their level? because if there was going to be a lot of negative equity when the house value goes in excess of the mortgage goes in excess of the mortgage goes in excess of what the house is worth, then they wouldn't be issuing those. but they recognise there's a lot of people out there who would rather mortgage rather pay their mortgage than their yeah, their landlord's mortgage. yeah, absolutely as we saw, didn't absolutely. so as we saw, didti't we absolutely. so as we saw, didn't we ttet— absolutely. so as we saw, didn't we last before— absolutely. so as we saw, didn't we last before when— ly so as we saw, didn't we last before when had these we last before when we had these teete— we last before when we had these 100%_sometimes- we last before when we had these 100% sometimes they 100% mortgages, sometimes they wete—eetttl were 120% mortgage. you could hettew—tt- were 120% mortgage. you could borrow—it caused. borrow much tnore. it caused a lot borrow much more. it caused a let et— borrow much more. it caused a lot of problems. _ borrow much more. it caused a lot of problems. i— borrow much more. it caused a lot of problems. i think what t-m — lot of problems. i think what t-m wetttet— lot of problems. i think what i'm worried about, about these tht— i'm worried about, about these tht et— i'm worried about, about these kind of demand— i'm worried about, about these kind of demand side measures is kitid of detnatid side measures is this kind of demand side measures is thte te— kind of demand side measures is thte he met— kind of demand side measures is

thte he met going— kind of demand side measures is this is just going to pump up temtmt— this is just going to pump up temtmt tet— this is just going to pump up demand for housing when without tttteeetme— demand for housing when without addressing—which. addressing the problem, which is tttmttw— addressing the problem, which is tttmttw .— addressing the problem, which is tttmttw item-t— addressing the problem, which is frankly , don't enough frankly, we don't build enough he — frankly, we don't build enough he i— frankly, we don't build enough houses. .i was- frankly, we don't build enough houses. i“ houses. and i was interested in what jeremy said about abolishing targets because abolishing the targets because my having my understanding was that having these least forced these targets at least forced local authorities build some local authorities to build some houses. we know that there's frequently immense local objection. don't want new objection. people don't want new housing near them, and it's very, very difficult to get anything built in this country because of the planning system . because of the planning system. so i think anything that kind of messes it messes around with making it easier houses is all very easier to buy houses is all very well for the people who benefit. but it's really not addressing well for the people who benefit. but causes lly not addressing well for the people who benefit. but causes of not addressing well for the people who benefit. but causes of the addressing well for the people who benefit. but causes of the housinging the causes of the housing crisis, which in turn is responsible. partly for our terrible, know, sluggish terrible, you know, sluggish growth in the economy and all the that with the problems that comes with that. you're know, that. alice, you're you know, you— that. alice, you're you know, wet-veh— that. alice, you're you know, wet-wew tteee- that. alice, you're you know, you _very close eye. alice, you're you know, you very close eye on that. alice, you're you know,- you _very close eye on the you have a very close eye on the eeememw— you have a very close eye on the etememw tmt— you have a very close eye on the eeememw tmt em— you have a very close eye on the economy and on on— you have a very close eye on the economy and on on fiscal and petty— economy and on on fiscal and petty tmt— economy and on on fiscal and policy and financial decisions. etm— policy and financial decisions. can-understand- can you understand what this oewemmemt— can you understand what this government are— can you understand what this government are doing at the memet— government are doing at the moment with— government are doing at the moment with the economy ? we are. moment with the economy? we are. they— moment with the economy? we are. they w-wee— moment with the economy? we are. they we've discussed— moment with the economy? we are. they we've discussed on this ehew— they we've discussed on this ehte—- they we've discussed on this ehte— thewl show a few times, are they mtttmg— show a few times, are they mtttmo-tttte- show a few times, are they making quite difficult tnakitig life quite difficult now so making life quite difficult now ee-the— making life quite difficult now ee-the-th- making life quite difficult now ee-the-th te- making life quite difficult now so _the-up to the. so that in the run up to the text— so that in the run up to the next election— so that in the run up to the next election they can decrease tttee—

next election they can decrease tttee e— next election they can decrease tttee e thew— next election they can decrease taxes ? they might. obviously taxes? they might. obviously it's taxes? they might. obviously he the— taxes? they might. obviously it's the bank— taxes? they might. obviously it's the bank of— taxes? they might. obviously it's the bank of england's tettetem— it's the bank of england's decision, but— it's the bank of england's decision, but by that point, mtwhe— decision, but by that point, mtwhe the— decision, but by that point, maybe the inflation will be tewm— maybe the inflation will be tewm. thew— maybe the inflation will be down. they can— maybe the inflation will be down. they can reduce the tmteteet— down. they can reduce the interest rate. _ down. they can reduce the interest rate. are being held ititerest rate. are we beitig iield to interest rate. are we being held to ransom effectively with electioneering _ to ransom effectively with electioneering i to ransom effectively with - electioneering _i think electioneering in mind? i think thtt-e— electioneering in mind? i think thtt-e emtte— electioneering in mind? i think thtt-e tttte tm— electioneering in mind? i think that's quite an astute analysis, that's quite ati astute atialysis, but that's quite an astute analysis, htt .— that's quite an astute analysis, htt t-wet— that's quite an astute analysis, htt t-wet te— that's quite an astute analysis, but i-you do have- that's quite an astute analysis, but i you do have to but i think you do have to tetteet— but i think you do have to tetteet em— but i think you do have to reflect on the— but i think you do have to reflect on the kind of situation thtt— reflect on the kind of situation thtt tteht — reflect on the kind of situation that rishi sunak— reflect on the kind of situation that rishi sunak inherited and tiiat riini sutiak itiiierited atid tiie that rishi sunak inherited and the absolute— that rishi sunak inherited and the absolute car— that rishi sunak inherited and the absolute car crash of the tttee— the absolute car crash of the truss budget. _ the absolute car crash of the truss budget. he- the absolute car crash of the truss budget. t; 3 3 the absolute car crash of the truss budget. 3 3 truss budget. he did have to kind of just settle or put the fire out basically . but i do fire out basically. but i do think you're right. i think that they're sort of gambling on pain now with perhaps some sweeties. and what do you think the public will see through that ? i think will see through that? i think the real issue when people come to vote at the next election will be, are they poorer now than they were 13 years ago? yeah when this government came in and i think it's very difficult for anybody to answer , you know. yeah, it cost of httme— , you know. yeah, it cost of ltwmo ehete— , you know. yeah, it cost of living crisis still— yeah, it cost of living crisis still huge isn't livitig crisis still iiuge isti't it, living crisis still huge isn't tt, jeremy— living crisis still huge isn't tt, jeremy amt— living crisis still huge isn't it, jeremy and it's a big factor heettee— it, jeremy and it's a big factor heettee et— it, jeremy and it's a big factor because of course— it, jeremy and it's a big factor because of course confidence httwe— because of course confidence httwe-tm— because of course confidence httwe-tm-mtttetl because of course confidence| plays-in-market. because of course confidence. plays-in-market. if plays hugely in our market. if you— plays hugely in our market. if you-90t— plays hugely in our market. if you-got the— plays hugely in our market. if| you-got the confidence you haven't got the confidence to you're not to take on debt, you're not going that home, sadly.

going to buy that home, sadly. and if you feel that longer term, going to better term, you are going to be better off, as alice said, then you're going to take the plunge. can i ask what kind of customers ask you what kind of customers you've door at you've got through your door at the moment who buy the moment who want to buy houses? the super rich houses? are they the super rich whe— houses? are they the super rich whe temt— houses? are they the super rich who aren't affected— 7 are they the super rich who aren't affected by any of thee— who aren't affected by any of this? because _ who aren't affected by any of this? because let's face it, htt— this? because let's face it, we've had the— this? because let's face it, we've had the biggest transfer we've iiad the biggest tratisfer of we've had the biggest transfer et wettth— we've had the biggest transfer et wettth tm— we've had the biggest transfer of wealth in the— we've had the biggest transfer of wealth in the last 3 4 of wealth in the last 3 or 4 wette— of wealth in the last 3 or 4 wette-htetetw- of wealth in the last 3 or 4 years-history in- of wealth in the last 3 or 4 years history in history. years iii the iiistory iti iiistory. or years in the history in history. tht-thew— years in the history in history. or they youngsters who have or are they youngsters who have mtmteet— or are they youngsters who have mtmteet-tmt- or are they youngsters who have managed - and save . or are they youngsters who have managed and save first managed to scrimp and save first ttme—wet- time buyers? what are you eeetmee — time buyers? what are you seeing? .actually- time buyers? what are you seeing? t e time buyers? what are you. seeing? .actually a bit of seeing? it's actually a bit of both. biggest strength is in both. the biggest strength is in probably the downsizing and probably in the downsizing and the first time buyers are starting back because as starting to come back because as we touched on before, we just touched on before, they're paying more in rent and they're paying more in rent and they at the figures for they look at the figures for mortgage and think, well, mortgage and they think, well, i'd rather mine rather than i'd rather pay mine rather than someone. the someone. when you say the tewmetee— someone. when you say the downsizes, do _ someone. when you say the downsizes, do you- when you say the downsizes, do you mean the sort downsizes, do you tneati the sort of downsizes, do you mean the sort et tetttememt— downsizes, do you mean the sort of retirement generation? and downsizes, do you mean the sort of re wantent generation? and downsizes, do you mean the sort of re wantentreleasetion? and downsizes, do you mean the sort of re wantentreleasetion? lequity they want to release some equity ttem— they want to release some equity ttem thett— they want to release some equity from their house— they want to release some equity from their house and they're htehthtw— from their house and they're htehthtw-etwme- from their house and they're probably giving to to probably tiieti giving it to to the probably then giving it to to the thett— probably then giving it to to the their kids— probably then giving it to to the their kids on the the their kids get on the property— the their kids get on the pjoperty-onel the their kids get on thei property-one of the their kids get on the- property-one of the property ladder? one of the biggest is, is people who biggest issues is, is people who are who want to buy. are renting, who want to buy. and because they don't, they can't afford to buy. they're not releasing properties for releasing their properties for rental. rents still rental. so the rents are still going people can't

going up and those people can't buy either. but that rents buy either. but now that rents have it's sort of have gone up, it's sort of a slow change the dynamic of slow change in the dynamic of the market. those people are starting to come again and starting to come out again and saying, the rents saying, well, look, the rents now gone to record levels. now have gone to record levels. i've got to move. why would i pay i've got to move. why would i pay much? so much so to get pay too much? so much so to get out pay too much? so much so to get eht—ttee— pay too much? so much so to get eht—ttee .— pay too much? so much so to get out—also i don't- out and i think also i don't thew— out and i think also i don't know whether— out and i think also i don't know whether you experienced, know whether you experieticed, but know whether you experienced, htt .— know whether you experienced, htt t thtmt— know whether you experienced, but i think there— know whether you experienced, but i think there are some ttmttette— but i think there are some landlords who— but i think there are some landlords who are sort of capitalising_ landlords who are sort of capitalising of capitalising on this and some of them — capitalising on this and some of them oemttmetw— capitalising on this and some of them genuinely costs them getiuitiely have extra costs to them genuinely have extra costs te htt— them genuinely have extra costs to cover. but they're also ethtttttetmg— to cover. but they're also capitalising idea that capitalising on this idea that eeorye— capitalising on this idea that everyone thinks— capitalising on this idea that everyone thinks everything's capitalising on this idea that everyone and ks everything's capitalising on this idea that everyone and they erything's capitalising on this idea that everyone and they oh, hing's capitalising on this idea that everyone and they oh, hingso going up and they oh, i'm so eetm— going up and they oh, i'm so sorry my— going up and they oh, i'm so sorry mw-httte- going up and they oh, i'm so sorry, my bills all sorry, my gas bills got all my tmteteet. — sorry, my gas bills got all my tmteteet. tm— sorry, my gas bills got all my interest. i'm-have. sorry, my gas bills got all my interest. i'm have to interest. i'm going to have to put— interest. i'm going to have to put tm— interest. i'm going to have to put tm exttt— interest. i'm going to have to put an extra £200 on your rent. t-m — put an extra £200 on your rent. t-m tttttt— put an extra £200 on your rent. i'm afraid-month- put an extra £200 on your rent. i'm afraid month you i'm afraid this month you htehthtw— i'm afraid this month you probably surprised. �*th�*t; probably be surprised. we look tttet— probably be surprised. we look after hundreds of landlords and most aren't like that. most of them aren't like that. there know, word there are, you know, the word rogue landlord seems to rogue and landlord seems to always together the always play together in the press, doesn't it? it's not always true. most landlords own always true. most latidlords own one always true. most landlords own htehettw— always true. most landlords own one property, correct?— always true. most landlords own one property, correct? i- most landlords own one property, correct? i think tte— one property, correct? i think tte-eh. — one property, correct? i think tt-e-eh. htt- one property, correct? i think it's-89. and two- one property, correct? i think it's-89. and two or. one property, correct? i think- it's-89. and two or fewer. it's about 89. and two or fewer. three or fewer, something like that. of are that. but most of them are sitting tenants and sitting down with tenants and they're it through. they're working it through. there some difficult there are some difficult ones. there's tenants there's some difficult tenants as yeah, it's as well out there. yeah, it's a question. absolutely. it's question. absolutely. so it's a question. absolutely. so it's a question sitting with

question of sitting down with them and trying to find some common ground, which mostly we do, than me. that do, or rather you than me. that sounds really cool, don't- 3; that sounds really cool, don't you thtmte — sounds really cool, don't you think? _alice,- sounds really cool, don't you think? _alice, the- sounds really cool, don't youi think? _alice, the tories sounds really cool, don't you think g; t; sounds really cool, don't you think g;. tt.;i sounds really cool, don't you think g; �*7 3 t; sounds really cool, don't you think g;. �*7 3 ;i sounds really cool, don't you think g;. �*7 3 sounds really cool, don't you have got to find a way so that people who are in their early 30s can afford to buy a home. yeah i mean, is an yeah i mean, this is an absolutely existential problem for conservatives. the. the for the conservatives. the. the average for the conservatives. the. the twetteo tee— for the conservatives. the. the twetteo toe et— the. the average age of conservative average age of the conservative tetet— average age of the conservativei voter—deceased. average age of the conservativei voter-way-deceased. average age of the conservative voter way of deceased. average age of the conservative voter way of puttingieceased. average age of the conservative voter way of putting it,3ased. average age of the conservative voter way of putting it, you 1. and one way of putting it, you thew— and one way of putting it, you thew, the— and one way of putting it, you know, the party's— and one way of putting it, you know, the party's not going to etthte— know, the party's not going to emhte-ttmt— know, the party's not going to survive can't something survive if it cati't do something for survive if it can't do something tet young— survive if it can't do something tet whtt-amt- survive if it can't do something for young and frankly , for youtig people. atid fratikly, if for young people. and frankly, if-buy_ for young people. and frankly, tt-htwlhetee- if you can't buy a house, you ttm-t— if you can't buy a house, you ttm-t eet— if you can't buy a house, you can't get-ladder,- if you can't buy a house, you can't get ladder, you can't get on the ladder, you ttm-t— can't get on the ladder, you ttmt-t— can't get on the ladder, you can't-a family. - can't get on the ladder, you can't a family. all of the can't start a family. all of the thtmee— can't start a family. all of the thtmee thtt— can't start a family. all of the things that essentially turn eeetete— things that essentially turn heehte tmte— things that essentially turn people into conservative voters people itito conservative voters are people into conservative voters te—mtw- are unavailable to many young eeetete.— are unavailable to many young eeetete-temee- are unavailable to many young people. tories have people. and the tories have tetttw— people. and the tories have tetttw he— people. and the tories have really he failed— people. and the tories have really he failed do anything really he failed to do anything tteet— really he failed to do anything thew-amt— really he failed to do anything about-and it— really he failed to do anything about-and it and- really he failed to do anything about and it and yet about this. atid it atid i've yet to about this. and it and i've yet te hett— about this. and it and i've yet to hear-ideas— about this. and it and i've yet to hear ideas from them. to hear any ideas from them. wett— to hear any ideas from them. wetl thew-we— to hear any ideas from them. well, they've-to - to hear any ideas from them. well, they've-to start- well, they've got to start building some houses, as jeremy said. absolutely. that's going building some houses, as jeremy sa end bsolutely. that's going building some houses, as jeremy sa end soon tely. that's going building some houses, as jeremy sa end soon and that's going building some houses, as jeremy sa end soon and soon.; going building some houses, as jeremy sa end soon and soon. yeah > and to end soon and soon. yeah > and greenhouses.idon't_ to end soon and soon. yeah > and greenhouses.idon't mean- greenhouses. i don't mean oteemehteee— greenhouses. i don't mean greenhouses. grow greenhouses. i don't mean- greenhouses.-grow your greenhouses. i don't mean gree vegetables, grow your greenhouses. i don't mean gree vegetables, althought/ your own vegetables, although ehttetetw— own vegetables, although - obviously—quite obviously they would be quite temehemt— obviously they would be quite convenient—needl obviously they would be quite i convenient—need to convenient to. but they tieed to be convenient to. but they need to he-ewew— convenient to. but they need to he-ewetw ehete- be building every single house thtt— be building every single house thtt-he— be building every single house that-be built,- be building every single housei that-be built,-to that needs to be built, needs to me— that needs to be built, needs to have-credentials— that needs to be built, needs to have-credentials so- that needs to be built, needs to have credentials so that have eco credentials so that eeetete— have eco credentials so that eeetete-tettte- have eco credentials so that people reduce their bills. people can reduce their bills. now:— people can reduce their bills. now,-come, adam - people can reduce their bills. | now,-come, adam price now, still to come, adam price has announced he's quitting as

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are questions being asked in wales about who plaid camera is really appealing to beyond the sort of welsh heartlands that number three now in the senate , number three now in the senate, behind the welsh conservatives . behind the welsh conservatives. and obviously this report was really quite . it spoke of a really quite. it spoke of a toxic culture of working sexual misconduct within the party. and although the leader, adam price, didn't didn't wasn't implicated himself , if didn't didn't wasn't implicated himself, if he was obviously presiding over this, over this culture of really very bad behaviour . culture of really very bad behaviour. and when the report, why didn't he do anything about it? well, exactly. and i think we're going to find out more as the as as we hear more about exactly what was in the report and why adam price didn't do anything and on the 3rd anything earlier. and on the 3rd of may, when report was of may, when the report was released, apparently adam price says to down and says he wanted to stand down and was told by the party that he should remain in place. he's got his supporters. should remain in place. he's got his supporters . people call should remain in place. he's got his supporters. people call him a in a generation a once in a generation politician, but he didn't stand down time. and now a week down at the time. and now a week later is having stand down later is having to stand down because massive amounts of

pressure him. really, this pressure on him. so really, this has as badly as it has worked out as badly as it possibly could have applied. can i how the report came i just ask how the report came about first place? who about in the first place? who made the complaint? there were a number on it. it's number of complaints on it. it's so many aspects of the culture of plaid cymru. there are complaints on toxic working culture. there were complaints on bullying from really very senior people in the and senior people in the party. and then there these complaints then there were these complaints of misconduct. so the of sexual misconduct. so the report's been in the offing for a long time and it was a long time now and it was becoming more and evident becoming more and more evident that that adam price had been presiding over this really very bad in the party. so bad culture in the party. so there are questions being asked about why he didn't resign, not only the report came out, only when the report came out, but when when the but beforehand when the when the when the investigation was being made. i because he made. i remember iiitn because lie was made. i remember him because he : i remember him because he was as a parliamentarytme : i remember him because he was as a parliamentary mp . years as a parliamentary mp. hee— years as a parliamentary mp. he-e t— years as a parliamentary mp. he-e t tew— years as a parliamentary mp. he-e t very good— years as a parliamentary mp. he's a very good speaker. he's tew— he's a very good speaker. he's very charismatic.— he's a very good speaker. he's very charismatic. but this is a ttetetet— very charismatic. but this is a disaster, isn't— very charismatic. but this is a disaster, isn't it?— very charismatic. but this is a disaster, isn't it? it really is disaster, isti't it? it really is a disaster, isn't it? it really is t ttetetet— disaster, isn't it? it really is a disaster for— disaster, isn't it? it really is a disaster for him. / a disaster for him. yeah. as you say.— a disaster for him. yeah. as you etw. he— a disaster for him. yeah. as you say, he has he has huge fans within the party who believe that sort once in that he was sort of once in a lifetime politician who were going to turn around the fate of

flight crew. he is a very good speaken flight crew. he is a very good speaker, but it isn't really clear what he's done to plaid cymru's chances in the time that he's been leader. they are still number three the that number three in the senate. that is behind the welsh is not good behind the welsh conservatives not very conservatives who are not very popular don't popular in wales. you don't sense there's great clamour in sense there's a great clamour in wales for independence . no. wales for independence. no. exactly implied can we we've always sort of kept there. well in recent years anyway have kept their sort of independence credentials pretty quiet because they know that polling for independence in wales is extremely low. i mean, low single figures lower than in scotland. exactly. well, talking of politicians that have a whiff of politicians that have a whiff of perhaps sexual misconduct about them, not that he has personally, but i'm saying the report concluded that some people did. we talk about donald trump obviously came trump erg so he obviously came out . got this terrible this out. he got this terrible this verdict, not terrible for the woman who brought this claim against him. she was on tv yesterday saying it was the best day of her life. she got awarded $5 million in the civil case against trump for sexual

misconduct. he has now hit back at her, hasn't he? he has, but he's also bragging it's doing him very well in the polls with his base. well, exactly . and his base. well, exactly. and there are there are plenty of commentators in america who don't think that cnn have don't think that cnn should have given this platform on, you given him this platform on, you know, days after he was forced to pay a £5 million fine to the victim of sexual assault. it was sexual assault. finally, that he got that he got charged for rather than rape in the civil court. this was. but but cnn allowed him to come on for an hour yesterday for the first 5 or 6 minutes, he was literally just uninterrupted talking about electoral fraud, talking chennai six just ranting. and cnn, a chief executive, a high up executive at cnn, said that they they just didn't have time. someone asked why they weren't fact checking in real time. and they cnn said that they just didn't or the didn't have the time or the resources to fact check all the lies real time , even by his lies in real time, even by his standards. it was an extraordinary- 3: it was an extraordinary performance. standards. it was an- extraordinary performance. it was absolutely—

extraordinary performance. it was absolutely extraordinary. and said that that and he said that that that it was all repeated claim was all he repeated the claim which was found to have which which he was found to have defamed victim, that it defamed the his victim, that it was all a con job. that was the words that he used and that he had never even met her. and then he said that his poll ratings, as you as you mentioned there , as you as you mentioned there, had up as a result of had had gone up as a result of this abuse claim. well, this sexual abuse claim. well, it's very hard where it's very hard to see where those where he's getting those figures although . so the figures from, although. so the audience last night, which was which a republican audience which was a republican audience and apparently some swing voters seemed to be very, very much behind him. they could have been taken basically from a trump rally. when you hear how supportive they were of his comment. he also said that he would pardon potentially pardon some the capitol hill rioters some of the capitol hill rioters if became president. it's if he became president. it's like he can't help himself, can he ? it's just like he goes out he? it's just like he goes out there. i mean, i understand why he'd come out swinging if you felt that if genuinely felt felt that if you genuinely felt if we take his word for it that he doesn't remember even meeting this years this woman and then 23 years later, allegation of later, after an allegation of misconduct assault, he

misconduct or sexual assault, he has to give her $5 million. i'd be ready to rant on national tv. i mean, it's no wonder really , i mean, it's no wonder really, that he wants to come out and express that anger. yeah although when you hear the details of the case, it does a bit stretch belief that he doesn't remember meeting this woman at all. and it is pretty fitting with donald trump's overall approach to these matters . it was it was a really matters. it was it was a really extra ordinary spectacle to have an hour of donald trump there. he he called that it was it was a very ill tempered exchange. he called the cnn producer a nasty a presenter, a nasty woman, and the cnn executives afterwards said that they were ashamed to have produced the show. whether the presenter wasn't hitting back enough or whether it felt as though that cnn had simply just lost control of what was going on in edgeways. and trump is very experienced.— going on in edgeways. and trump is very experienced. we— is very experienced. we ehetttm-t— is very experienced. we shouldn't forget that. absolutely. - shouldn't forget that. absolutely. it's been around a wett— absolutely. it's been around a very tew— absolutely. it's been around a very very teme— absolutely. it's been around a very very temt-tm-

very, very long time in broadcasting- very, very long time in broadcasting for decades. and he broadcastitig for decades. atid iie just broadcasting for decades. and he ttet-wtttet— broadcasting for decades. and he just-walked all- broadcasting for decades. and he just walked all over the just walked walked all over the woman. presenter.— just walked walked all over the woman. presenter. absolutely a tew— woman. presenter. absolutely a very uncomfortable hour for her. very uticotnfortable iiour for iier. a very uncomfortable hour for her. a very— very uncomfortable hour for her. a very uncomfortable— very uncomfortable hour for her. a very uncomfortable hour.- very uncomfortable hour for her. a very uncomfortable hour. and you to wonder why cnn you do have to wonder why cnn didn't coming. as you didn't see it coming. as you say, what donald very say, what donald trump is very good and he had good at is talking and he had a term as president. he does know what he's doing in terms of getting his message across. so and, of course, he loads. i“ so and, of course, he loads. cnn tttettt— and, of course, he loads. cnn tttettw. wte— and, of course, he loads. cnn exactly. was at— and, of course, he loads. cnn exactly. was at war with cnn the whete— exactly. was at war with cnn the whete ttme— exactly. was at war with cnn the whole time president whole time he was president and htwmg— whole time he was president and having-extremely— whole time he was president and having-laudience _ whole time he was president and having-laudience ,- whole time he was president and having laudience , of course, sympathetic audience, of course, mtte— sympathetic audience, of course, mttelmteh— sympathetic audience, of course, madelmuch, much— sympathetic audience, of course, made much, much easier for made it much, much easier for hemttt—mtte- made it much, much easier for donald _ made the i donald trump and made the hteeeeemtt— donald trump and made the presenter's job _ donald trump and made the presenter's job sort of almost tmheeethte. — presenter's job sort of almost impossible. you— presenter's job sort of almost impossible. v/t;. presenter's job sort of almost- impossible. you .you know , impossible. you had, you know, man after man, and it was pretty much all men in the audience standing up and throwing these very softball questions at donald him what donald trump, giving him what was a very easy ride. was definitely a very easy ride. cnn not vet that audience etthet— cnn not vet that audience either. well— cnn not vet that audience either. well they deliberately wtmtet—et- wanted an audience of republicans- wanted an audience of republicans and swing voters. i thtt-t— republicans and swing voters. i ttet-t tett— republicans and swing voters. i didn't hear from _ republicans and swing voters. i didn't hear from many- republicans and swing voters. i didn't hear from many swing voters at all. i don't know if that was a condition of donald trump appearing on the show. and they wanted the interview so much agreed to it. but much that they agreed to it. but one another, it was

one way or another, it was a very bizarre spectacle. i haven't watched the whole interview. i to go and interview. i want to go and watch now, don't you? it is watch it now, don't you? it is amazing. and you wonder, as the eeemtet,— amazing. and you wonder, as the hteeemtet, tt— amazing. and you wonder, as the presenter, it just— amazing. and you wonder, as the presenter, it just sounds sounds hettemtete— presenter, it just sounds sounds horrendous to— presenter, it just sounds sounds horrendous to .to _ presenter, it just sounds sounds horrendous to to be the host iiorretidous to be to be the iiost of horrendous to be to be the host et t— horrendous to be to be the host et t ehew— horrendous to be to be the host of a show like— horrendous to be to be the host of a show like that. but he httttezet— of a show like that. but he bulldozed her,— of a show like that. but he bulldozed her, surely bulldozed her, but she surely wettt— bulldozed her, but she surely wettt htwe— bulldozed her, but she surely would have prepared to hold would have beeti prepared to iiold iiitn would have been prepared to hold htmltteetmt.— would have been prepared to hold htmltteetmtlt— would have been prepared to hold him.account.ii-even. would have been prepared to holdi him.account.ii-even the him to account. i mean, even the other thing that i'm just envisaging now in the run up between him, possibly getting the the the nomination for the republican party how many republican party is how many more is going to get more legal cases is going to get himself because if he goes himself into. because if he goes on like that a regular on tv like that on a regular bafis on tv like that on a regular basis and he's just shooting from of his from the hip and all of his inhibitions appear to have gone, he even more emboldened he seems even more emboldened than few years ago. than he did a few years ago. he's to end up he's going he's going to end up he's going to bankrupt with the to be bankrupt with all the fines going have to pay. fines he's going to have to pay. well, absolutely. you're well, absolutely. and if you're charged defaming someone well, absolutely. and if you're charthen defaming someone well, absolutely. and if you're charthen defron ng someone well, absolutely. and if you're charthen defron tv someone well, absolutely. and if you're charthen defron tv and eone well, absolutely. and if you're charthen defron tv and you and then you go on tv and you defame, same thing again, the damage she got more damages damage is she got more damages for defamation did for the defamation than she did for the defamation than she did for sexual assault. exactly. for the sexual assault. exactly. and he comes television and then he comes on television and precisely same and says precisely the same thing. say, it's hard thing. so as you say, it's hard to see how his route to the presidency isn't simply going to get legal case get tangled up in legal case

after case. but perhaps he after legal case. but perhaps he has that the more he has a point that the more he does into these legal cases, does get into these legal cases, the his most the more his his most traditional sort of staunch base the more his his most tradithim. sort of staunch base the more his his most tradithim. and of staunch base the more his his most tradithim. and we staunch base the more his his most tradithim. and we stauntseen se the more his his most tradithim. and we stauntseen that likes him. and we have seen that the support for desantis is waning a little is waning a little bit. never write off hemttt— little bit. never write off donald _ever, - little bit. never write off donald _ever, ever,| little bit. never write off- donald _ever, ever, ever. donald trump ever, ever, ever. vet— donald trump ever, ever, ever. you never-what- donald trump ever, ever, ever. you never what going donald trump ever, ever, ever. yo do ever what going donald trump ever, ever, ever. yo do next. what going donald trump ever, ever, ever. yo do next. right.hat going donald trump ever, ever, ever. yo do next. right. thanks. going to do next. right. thanks. extraordinary.— to do next. right. thanks. extraordinary. thanks olivia. okay-— extraordinary. thanks olivia. ottw. stit— extraordinary. thanks olivia. ottw. stttt te— extraordinary. thanks olivia. okay. still to come- extraordinary. thanks olivia. okay. still to come this- okay. still to come this morning, of morning, the archbishop of canterbury the canterbury has attacked the government's plans. government's migration plans. was right to so? what do was he right to do so? what do you andrew pierce not in you think? andrew pierce not in such a poorly he said. the such a poorly way, he said. the plans were immoral.— such a poorly way, he said. the plans were immoral. no,- the plans were immoral. no, it's tmmettl— plans were immoral. no, it's immoral, archbishop, to allow theee— immoral, archbishop, to allow theee emttt— immoral, archbishop, to allow these small boats the these small boats to cross the chtmmet— these small boats to cross the channel—this- these small boats to cross the channel—this is. these small boats to cross thei channel—this is the channel and sink. this is the eemt.— channel and sink. this is the point. and here news with point. and here is the news with rhiannon . thank you, bev. it's rhiannon. thank you, bev. it's 1031. your top stories from - 1031. your top stories from the newsroom the— 1031. your top stories from the newsroom the bank of england is wttetw— newsroom the bank of england is wttetw exeeetet— newsroom the bank of england is widely expected to— newsroom the bank of england is widely expected to raise tmteteet— widely expected to raise interest rates- widely expected to raise interest rates for a 12th consecutive _ interest rates for a 12th consecutive time later as it tttee— consecutive time later as it tttee te— consecutive time later as it tries to tackle— consecutive time later as it tries to tackle soaring inflation. _ tries to tackle soaring inflation. economists predict itiflatioti. ecotiotnists predict the inflation. economists predict the htee— inflation. economists predict the base rate— inflation. economists predict the base rate will increase by a tttttet— the base rate will increase by a tetttet et— the base rate will increase by a tttttet et t— the base rate will increase by a quarter of a percentage point

ttem— quarter of a percentage point ttem leh— quarter of a percentage point ttem the te— quarter of a percentage point from 4.25 to 4.5.— quarter of a percentage point from 4.25 to 4.5. the rise would ttte— from 4.25 to 4.5. the rise would tthe tmteteet— from 4.25 to 4.5. the rise would take interest rates— from 4.25 to 4.5. the rise would take interest rates to the htgheet— take interest rates to the highest level— take interest rates to the highest level since 2008. rail eetweee— highest level since 2008. rail eetweee ttm— highest level since 2008. rail services run by— highest level since 2008. rail services run by operator trans temhe— services run by operator trans pennine express— services run by operator trans pennine express are to be htetght— pennine express are to be brought under— pennine express are to be brought under government eemtet.— brought under government control. the— brought under government control. the transport secretary hte— control. the transport secretary has announced— control. the transport secretary has announced the decision tettewe— has announced the decision follows continuous cancellations follows cotititiuous caticellatiotis follows continuous cancellations . wtth— follows continuous cancellations . wtth ttteet— follows continuous cancellations . mark harper says— follows continuous cancellations . mark harper says the firm's temtttet— . mark harper says the firm's contract won't— . mark harper says the firm's contract won't be _ . mark harper says the firm's contract won't be extended nor emewet— contract won't be extended nor emewet . the— contract won't be extended nor renewed . the department of renewed. the department of tttmehett— renewed. the department of transport will— renewed. the department of transport will instead take over ttem— transport will instead take over ttem thtt.— transport will instead take over ttem tttw. the— transport will instead take over from may. the 28th. well let's ttte— from may. the 28th. well let's cross live now— from may. the 28th. well let's cross live now to— from may. the 28th. well let's cross live now to the house of commons, where— cross live now to the house of commons, where an urgent tteetem— commons, where an urgent tteetem te— commons, where an urgent question is being granted to emeetwe— question is being granted to conserve native— question is being granted to conserve native mp sir bill cash conserve tiative mp sir bill cain oti conserve native mp sir bill cash em the— conserve native mp sir bill cash on the government's decision to eette— on the government's decision to eetth emtt— on the government's decision to eetth only ehe— on the government's decision to scrap only 600 eu— on the government's decision to scrap only 600 eu laws rather thth— scrap only 600 eu laws rather thtm theo— scrap only 600 eu laws rather thtm ehee te— scrap only 600 eu laws rather than 4000 as originally pledged. let-e— than 4000 as originally pledged. let-e-whe— than 4000 as originally pledged. let-e-whe te— than 4000 as originally pledged. let's-who do you— than 4000 as originally pledged. let's who do you think let's here who do you think wet-te— let's here who do you think y0're ehetttmg— let's here who do you think you're speaking to? tyt you're speaking to? secretary of sttte. — you're speaking to? secretary of sttte. .— you're speaking to? secretary of state. i don't want. i think we need to understand each other. i am the defender of this house and these benches on both sides. i am not going to be spoken to by a secretary of state who is absolutely , utterly not absolutely, utterly not accepting my ruling. take it with good grace and accept it

that members should hear it first. not a w or what you decide . and these members have decide. and these members have been elected by their constituents and they have the right to hear it first. and it isfime right to hear it first. and it is time this government recognised we're all elected, we're all members of parliament and used the correct manners. secretary of state yes , mr secretary of state yes, mr speaken secretary of state yes, mr speaker, i apologise . what i was speaker, i apologise. what i was trying to speaker, i apologise. what i was ttwtmo te ety— speaker, i apologise. what i was ttwtmo te etw wte— speaker, i apologise. what i was trying to say was that— speaker, i apologise. what i was trying to say was that i'm- g what i was trying to say was that i'm very eettw— trying to say was that i'm very eettw thtt— trying to say was that i'm very eettw thtt .— trying to say was that i'm very sorry that i did— trying to say was that i'm very sorry that i did not meet the ettmtttte— sorry that i did not meet the standards which— sorry that i did not meet the standards which you expect of eeetettteet— standards which you expect of secretaries of _ standards which you expect of secretaries of state. forgive my tttettte— secretaries of state. forgive my languaget htt— secretaries of state. forgive my language, but what i have been tmme— language, but what i have been ttwme te— language, but what i have been ttwmo te te— language, but what i have been ttwmo te te te— language, but what i have been trying to do is make sure that i etettte— trying to do is make sure that i etettte te— trying to do is make sure that i provide as much— trying to do is make sure that i provide as much clarity as heeethte. — provide as much clarity as heeethte. se— provide as much clarity as possible. so i— provide as much clarity as possible. so i am actually very hteteet— possible. so i am actually very hteteet te— possible. so i am actually very pleased to coming the to pleased to be coming to the to hetee— pleased to be coming to the to heme—tew- pleased to be coming to the to house very pleased house speak. i'tn very pleased to be house speak. i'm very pleased to he-te— house speak. i'm very pleased to he-te-hetee- house speak. i'm very pleased to he-te-hetee te- house speak. i'm very pleased to be to house to speak be cotnitig to the house to speak oti be coming to the house to speak em thte— be coming to the house to speak em thte — be coming to the house to speak on this issue. i,— be coming to the house to speak on this issue. i, i— be coming to the house to speak on this issue. i, i have written oti this issue. i, i have written a on this issue. i, i have written twttttem— on this issue. i, i have written a written ministerial statement a written tnitiisterial statetnetit to a written ministerial statement te explain— a written ministerial statement to explain that. _ a written ministerial statement to explain that. yesterday we tthtet— to explain that. yesterday we tthtet tm— to explain that. yesterday we tabled an amendment to the tetttmet— tabled an amendment to the tetttmet th— tabled an amendment to the retained eu law— tabled an amendment to the retained eu law bill that amends retaitied eu law bill that atnetids tiie retained eu law bill that amends the eeettttem— retained eu law bill that amends the operation of— retained eu law bill that amends the operation of the sunset in tteete— the operation of the sunset in clause one of— the operation of the sunset in clause one of the— the operation of the sunset in clause one of the bill. this is clause otie of the bill. this is a clause one of the bill. this is tteehmtett— clause one of the bill. this is a technical change. it introduces— a technical change. it introduces a- a technical change. it introduces a schedule to the hit— introduces a schedule to the httt et— introduces a schedule to the bill of retained— introduces a schedule to the bill of retained eu law that

whtt— bill of retained eu law that wttt he— bill of retained eu law that will be revoked— bill of retained eu law that will be revoked on 31st of heeemhet— will be revoked on 31st of december 2023. the schedule tmtetee— december 2023. the schedule includes around _ december 2023. the schedule includes around 600 pieces of leotettttem— includes around 600 pieces of legislation provided by nearly legislatioti provided by tiearly all legislation provided by nearly all departments— legislation provided by nearly all departments and spans a huge mtmeth— all departments and spans a huge mtmeth et— all departments and spans a huge mtmhet et tettew— all departments and spans a huge number of policy areas . this is tiutnber of policy areas. this is iti number of policy areas. this is h eeehee— number of policy areas. this is h eeehee te— number of policy areas. this is in response to concerns raised iti respotise to coticertis raised iti in response to concerns raised h the— in response to concerns raised tm thte hetee— in response to concerns raised in this house and— in response to concerns raised in this house and will provide iti this house atid will provide the in this house and will provide the teett— in this house and will provide the legal clarity— in this house and will provide the legal clarity and certainty thtt— the legal clarity and certainty thtt hte— the legal clarity and certainty that has been— the legal clarity and certainty that has been called for. i wettt— that has been called for. i wettt ttte— that has been called for. i would like to— that has been called for. i would like to reassure my honourable— would like to reassure my honourable friend that the 600 hetee— honourable friend that the 600 htetee tm— honourable friend that the 600 the h the— honourable friend that the 600 pieces in the schedule are not the— pieces in the schedule are not the ttmtte— pieces in the schedule are not the ttmtte et— pieces in the schedule are not the limits of our— pieces in the schedule are not the limits of our ambition , the limits of our ambition, metthet— the limits of our ambition, neither the— the limits of our ambition, neither the beginning nor the end:— neither the beginning nor the eht, htt— neither the beginning nor the end, but actually over the past wett— end, but actually over the past year,.whitehall_ end, but actually over the past year, whitehall department year, as whitehall department s htwe— year, as whitehall department s htwe-wetttme— year, as whitehall department s have-working hard- year, as whitehall department s have working hard to have been working hard to ttemtttw— have been working hard to ttemtttw why— have been working hard to identify why retained eu law to hteeetwe— identify why retained eu law to preserve reform _ identify why retained eu law to preserve reform or— identify why retained eu law to preserve reform or revoke it has heeeme— preserve reform or revoke it has tetetm etett— preserve reform or revoke it has become clear that— preserve reform or revoke it has become clear that time constraints— become clear that time constraints have led to the hteottmme— constraints have led to the programme becoming more about hteeetwme— programme becoming more about hteeetwmo th— programme becoming more about preserving eu laws— programme becoming more about preserving eu laws than tttettttetme— preserving eu laws than prioritising meaningful reform. thtt— prioritising meaningful reform. thtt te— prioritising meaningful reform. thtt te why— prioritising meaningful reform. thtt te why we— prioritising meaningful reform. that is why we are proposing a tteteteh— that is why we are proposing a tteteteh .— that is why we are proposing a new approach . mr— that is why we are proposing a new approach . mr speaker, had i new approach. mr speaker, had i tmewm— new approach. mr speaker, had i tmewm the— new approach. mr speaker, had i known the intense— new approach. mr speaker, had i known the intense excitement thtt— known the intense excitement thtt the— known the intense excitement that the house— known the intense excitement that the house would have had tteet— that the house would have had thett thte— that the house would have had about this issue,— that the house would have had about this issue, i— that the house would have had about this issue, i would have ttmtte— about this issue, i would have mmht .— about this issue, i would have come running, running to make thtt— come running, running to make thtt theee— come running, running to make sure that these technical tettte— sure that these technical details could— sure that these technical details could be investigated by all details could be investigated by tlt tmt— details could be investigated by tlt tmt eemtm— details could be investigated by all and sundry. but we are

hteheetmo— all and sundry. but we are hteheetmo t— all and sundry. but we are proposing a new approach, mr speakert— proposing a new approach, mr shettet, ee— proposing a new approach, mr speaker, one that will ensure mtmtetete— speaker, one that will ensure ministers and— speaker, one that will ensure ministers and officials are emthtet— ministers and officials are emthtet te— ministers and officials are enabled to focus more on tetetmtme— enabled to focus more on reforming rule— enabled to focus more on reforming rule and doing that ttetet— reforming rule and doing that ttetet. tm— reforming rule and doing that faster. i'm pleased to say that the— faster. i'm pleased to say that the government— faster. i'm pleased to say that the government has already tetetmet— the government has already tetetmet et— the government has already reformed or revoked over a thetetmt— reformed or revoked over a thousand pieces- reformed or revoked over a thousand pieces of rule , in thousand pieces of rule, in ttttttem— thousand pieces of rule, in addition to— thousand pieces of rule, in addition to the— thousand pieces of rule, in addition to the list of around eee— addition to the list of around 600 revocations_ addition to the list of around 600 revocations in the schedule 600 revocations iii the schedule to 600 revocations in the schedule te the— 600 revocations in the schedule to the retained— 600 revocations in the schedule to the retained eu— 600 revocations in the schedule to the retained eu law bill, the ttmttett— to the retained eu law bill, the financial services— to the retained eu law bill, the financial services and markets htt— financial services and markets httt tmt— financial services and markets httt tmt the— financial services and markets bill and the procurement bill whtt— bill and the procurement bill wttt tehett— bill and the procurement bill will repeal around 500 further hteeee— will repeal around 500 further htetee et— will repeal around 500 further pieces of rule,— will repeal around 500 further pieces of rule, meaning we will htwe— pieces of rule, meaning we will htwe tehettet— pieces of rule, meaning we will have repealed not— pieces of rule, meaning we will have repealed not 600, but tttettt— have repealed not 600, but actually more— have repealed not 600, but actually more than 2000 pieces actually tnore than 2000 pieces of actually more than 2000 pieces et ttte— actually more than 2000 pieces et mte by— actually more than 2000 pieces et mte by the— actually more than 2000 pieces of rule by the end— actually more than 2000 pieces of rule by the end of the year. we— of rule by the end of the year. we te— of rule by the end of the year. we are committed— of rule by the end of the year. we are committed to lightning. the— we are committed to lightning. the teettttetw— we are committed to lightning. the regulatory burden on businesses— the regulatory burden on businesses and helping to spur economic growth.— businesses and helping to spur economic growth. and our tttmhttth— economic growth. and our edinburgh reforms of uk ttmtmettt— edinburgh reforms of uk financial services include over fitiaticial services iticlude over 30 financial services include over ee teettttetw— financial services include over 30 regulatory reforms to unlock tmweetmemt— 30 regulatory reforms to unlock investment and— 30 regulatory reforms to unlock investment and boost growth in tewme— investment and boost growth in tewme tmt— investment and boost growth in towns and cities— investment and boost growth in towns and cities across the uk. ew— towns and cities across the uk. ow teettttetw— towns and cities across the uk. our regulatory reform announcement yesterday sets out atitiouticetnetit yesterday sets out announcement yesterday sets out t teme— announcement yesterday sets out t temt tetm— announcement yesterday sets out t lemo tetm httm— announcement yesterday sets out a long term plan to— announcement yesterday sets out a long term plan to reform uk teetttttem— a long term plan to reform uk regulation over— a long term plan to reform uk regulation over the coming memthe— regulation over the coming memthe te— regulation over the coming memthe te t— regulation over the coming months as a down payment on that temmttmemt— months as a down payment on that commitment, we— months as a down payment on that commitment, we announced changes cotntnittnetit, we atitiouticed changes that commitment, we announced changes thtt whtt— commitment, we announced changes that will reduce— that will reduce

disproportionate eu derived eeettte— disproportionate eu derived reporting requirements that tettt— reporting requirements that tettt te— reporting requirements that could save businesses around £1 httttem— could save businesses around £1 httttem t— could save businesses around £1 httttem t wett— could save businesses around £1 billion a year. that— could save businesses around £1 billion a year. that would just billioti a year. that would just be billion a year. that would just he the— billion a year. that would just he the tttet. — billion a year. that would just be the first. in— billion a year. that would just be the first. in a— billion a year. that would just be the first. in a series of announcements, the government whtt—tetetmtme- will be making on reforming teetttttem— will be making on reforming regulation to— will be making on reforming regulation to drive growth and regulatioti to drive growth atid iti regulation to drive growth and h ttttttem— regulation to drive growth and in addition to— regulation to drive growth and in addition to the schedule, the tewete— in addition to the schedule, the hewete-httt— in addition to the schedule, the powers-bill will- in addition to the schedule, the powers bill will still powers in the bill will still emthte— powers in the bill will still emthtelte— powers in the bill will still enable to revoke replace and enable us to revoke replace and tetetm— enable us to revoke replace and reform - outdated _ enable us to revoke replace and reform outdated eu laws that reform any outdated eu laws that temthewl— reform any outdated eu laws that remain .our-book- reform any outdated eu laws that remain .our-book by. remain on our statute. book by 2026.— remain on our statute. book by me ttt— remain on our statute. book by 2026. mr speaker,— remain on our statute. book by 2026. mr speaker, this new tteteteh— 2026. mr speaker, this new tteteteh wtt— 2026. mr speaker, this new approach will provide the space for approach will provide the space tet ttmeet— approach will provide the space for longer term— approach will provide the space for longer term and more tmhtttete— for longer term and more ambitious reforms. it will also memehte— ambitious reforms. it will also memehte et— ambitious reforms. it will also members of this— ambitious reforms. it will also members of this house no doubt wtt— members of this house no doubt wttt he— members of this house no doubt will be pleased— members of this house no doubt will be pleased to— members of this house no doubt will be pleased to hear mean tewet— will be pleased to hear mean fewer statutory— will be pleased to hear mean fewer statutory instruments will fewer statutory itistrutnetits will be fewer statutory instruments will he tetmet— fewer statutory instruments will he tettttet te— fewer statutory instruments will be required to preserve eu laws thtt— be required to preserve eu laws thtt te— be required to preserve eu laws that are deemed— be required to preserve eu laws that are deemed appropriate to mttmtttm— that are deemed appropriate to mttmtttm .— that are deemed appropriate to mttmtttm . .— that are deemed appropriate to maintain . i again— that are deemed appropriate to maintain. i again would like to reassure my honourable friend thtt— reassure my honourable friend thtt we— reassure my honourable friend that we-still_ reassure my honourable friend that we still fully take that we will still fully take ttet— that we will still fully take ttet-ew- that we will still fully take back-our laws. that we will still fully take | back-our laws and back control of our laws and etet— back control of our laws and earned supremacy and the special etttte— earned supremacy and the special etttte et— earned supremacy and the special status of retained— earned supremacy and the special status of retained eu law by the emt— status of retained eu law by the emt et— status of retained eu law by the emt et heee.— status of retained eu law by the end of 2023. this— status of retained eu law by the end of 2023. this will ensure we etid of 2023. this will etisure we are end of 2023. this will ensure we emtht— end of 2023. this will ensure we emttme the— end of 2023. this will ensure we are ending the shadow statute teet— are ending the shadow statute heet tmt— are ending the shadow statute book and inappropriate entrenchment of eu law concepts book and inappropriate en domesticit of eu law concepts book and inappropriate en domestic statute law concepts book and inappropriate en domestic statute . w concepts book and inappropriate en domestic statute . ”oncepts book and inappropriate— en domestic statute . sir william in domestic statute. sir william . thtmt— in domestic statute. sir william . thtmt yout— in domestic statute. sir william . thtmtwew ttt— in domestic statute. 3 �*thj .. thank you, mr speaker. under . thank you, mr speaker. utider tiie . thank you, mr speaker. under the ettmttme— thank you, mr speaker. under the standing orders of this hetee— the standing orders of this hetee the— the standing orders of this house, the european scrutiny

cemmtttee— house, the european scrutiny committee is— house, the european scrutiny committee is specifically thtteet— committee is specifically charged with— committee is specifically charged with examining the legal charged with exatnitiitig the legal atid charged with examining the legal tmt hettttttt— charged with examining the legal and political consequences of eu leetettttem— and political consequences of eu leotettttem tt— and political consequences of eu legislation it reported on 21 july— legislation it reported on 21 july heth— legislation it reported on 21 july heth 22,— legislation it reported on 21 july 20th, 22, after a five memth — july 20th, 22, after a five month inquiry— july 20th, 22, after a five month inquiry in support of the month itiquiry iti support of the bill month inquiry in support of the httt tmt— month inquiry in support of the bill and which— month inquiry in support of the bill and which was passed and tmemtet— bill and which was passed and tmemtet by— bill and which was passed and tmemtet by t— bill and which was passed and amended by a large majority in atnetided by a large majority iti tiiis amended by a large majority in thte eteetet— amended by a large majority in this elected house and by the tettte— this elected house and by the tthtte htt— this elected house and by the public bill committee, all of whteh— public bill committee, all of which endorsed— public bill committee, all of which endorsed the government's tettew— which endorsed the government's eettew em— which endorsed the government's eettew em the— which endorsed the government's policy on the bill.— which endorsed the government's policy on the bill. the settetttw— policy on the bill. the secretary of - policy on the bill. the secretary of state has been tetet— secretary of state has been asked formally— secretary of state has been asked formally and personally thtee— asked formally and personally thtee-thhett- asked formally and personally three-appear in- asked formally and personally three appear in front asked formally and personally thtthe appear in front asked formally and personally thtthe european ppear in front asked formally and personally thtthe european scrutiny front of the european scrutiny committee _ of the european scrutiny committee february . of the european scrutiny- committee-february . why committee sitice february. wiiy iias committee since february. why hte ehe— committee since february. why has she failed— committee since february. why has she failed to— committee since february. why has she failed to do so ? the has she failed to do so? the amendments— has she failed to do so? thei amendments _today has she failed to do so? the. amendments _today , amendments published today, tettt— amendments published today, thttt ttem — amendments published today, thtttttem-wetw- amendments published today, apart from very short apart from her very short wttttem— apart from her very short written ministerial statement weetetttw— written ministerial statement weetetttw-het— written ministerial statement yesterday her article the yesterday and her article in the tteee— yesterday and her article in the press are accompanied press today, are not accotnpatiied by press today, are not accompanied hw-exettmtttem— press today, are not accompanied by-explanation to— press today, are not accompanied by explanation to this by any explanation to this tet-ee — by any explanation to this house. despite— by any explanation to this house. despite the utter reversal in— house. despite the utter reversal in vital respects of the— reversal in vital respects of the hit— reversal in vital respects of the bill. passed - reversal in vital respects of the bill passed by this the bill as passed by this etettet— the bill as passed by this elected-why- the bill as passed by this elected why not? the elected house. why not? the tmemtmemte— elected house. why not? the amendments have not been eett-eetet— amendments have not been ethieetet te— amendments have not been subjected to any analysis or tteettemtme— subjected to any analysis or tteettemtmo by— subjected to any analysis or questioning by this house, which questiotiitig by this house, which is questioning by this house, which te mew— questioning by this house, which is now essential— questioning by this house, which is now essential given the given is now essetitial given the given the is now essential given the given the fundamental— is now essential given the given the fundamental change in oewemmemt— the fundamental change in government this house is government policy. this house is tetme— government policy. this house is tetmt ttettet— government policy. this house is being treated in— government policy. this house is being treated in a— government policy. this house is being treated in a manner which beitig treated iii a tnatitier which is being treated in a manner which he etetttw— being treated in a manner which is clearly inconsistent with being treated in a manner which is cle promisestsistent with being treated in a manner which is cle promises alreadyivith being treated in a manner which is cle promises already made. clear promises already made. wtt— clear promises already made. wttt my— clear promises already made. wttt my mom— clear promises already made. will my right honourable friend eeettttetttw— will my right honourable friend specifically seek— will my right honourable friend specifically seek and make

arrangements— specifically seek and make arrangements for the immediate tetetttt— arrangements for the immediate tetetttt et— arrangements for the immediate deferral of-report_ arrangements for the immediate deferral of report stated in deferral of the report stated iii the deferral of the report stated in the-hetee- deferral of the report stated in the-hetee et- deferral of the report stated in the house of lords , the unelected house of lords, whteh— the unelected house of lords, whtth te— the unelected house of lords, whtth he the— the unelected house of lords, which is due to— the unelected house of lords, which is due to take place on thth— which is due to take place on thth tmt— which is due to take place on 15th and 17th— which is due to take place on 15th and 17th of— which is due to take place on 15th and 17th of this month. so thtt— 15th and 17th of this month. so thtt ehe— 15th and 17th of this month. so thtt ehe tm— 15th and 17th of this month. so that she can come— 15th and 17th of this month. so that she can come to the tttehetm— that she can come to the european scrutiny committee next week— european scrutiny committee next week tmt— european scrutiny committee next week and answer— european scrutiny committee next week and answer questions as week and answer our questions as wetttet— week and answer our questions as etetttet-ettmttme- week and answer our questions as provided standing orders week and answer our questions as provprovide standing orders week and answer our questions as provprovide a standing orders week and answer our questions as provprovide a command orders week and answer our questions as provprovide a command paper and provide a command paper hetee— and provide a command paper hetete thtt— and provide a command paper before that report. stage to explain— before that report. stage to explain the— before that report. stage to explain the reasons for these fundamental— explain the reasons for these fundamental questions of mtttemtt— fundamental questions of national constitute national of constitute importance- national of constitute importance which are being made itnportatice which are beitig tnade atid importance which are being made tmt whtth— importance which are being made and which affect— importance which are being made and which affect all our constituents— and which affect all our constituents ,- and which affect all our constituents , all our voters, constituents, all our voters, tmt— constituents, all our voters, tmt the — constituents, all our voters, and the coherence of our statute teet— and the coherence of our statute heet tmt— and the coherence of our statute heet tmt ew— and the coherence of our statute book and our legal— and the coherence of our statute book and our legal system so ettte. — book and our legal system so state. thank— book and our legal system so state. thank you— book and our legal system so state. thank you ,- book and our legal system so state. “at“ ti” book and our legal system so state. “at“ state. thank you, mr speaker. the honourable state. the honourable gentleman asks mtm— the honourable gentleman asks mtmw tteetem— the honourable gentleman asks mtmw tteetteme .— the honourable gentleman asks many questions. i— the honourable gentleman asks many questions. i will endeavour tnatiy questiotis. i will endeavour to many questions. i will endeavour te them— many questions. i will endeavour to answer them, although i think iie to answer them, although i think he tmewe— to answer them, although i think he tmewe thtt— to answer them, although i think he knows that he— to answer them, although i think he knows that he has heard the answers before.— he knows that he has heard the answers before. but i'm very happy— answers before. but i'm very happy to_ answers before. but i'm very happy to respond on the floor of iiappy to respotid oti the floor of the happy to respond on the floor of the tet-ee— happy to respond on the floor of the house. we've— happy to respond on the floor of the house. we've had many conversations— the house. we've had many conversations in— the house. we've had many conversations in private where conversations iti private where we conversations in private where we htwe— conversations in private where we have discussed retained eu hw— we have discussed retained eu ttw. he— we have discussed retained eu ttw. he hte— we have discussed retained eu law. he has written to me about tttemttmg— law. he has written to me about tttemttme the— law. he has written to me about attending the european scrutiny cemmtttee— attending the european scrutiny committee and— attending the european scrutiny committee and replied that until committee atid replied that utitil tiie committee and replied that until the tettew— committee and replied that until the petty wte— committee and replied that until the policy was settled, i could met— the policy was settled, i could

met tttett— the policy was settled, i could not attend the— the policy was settled, i could not attend the committee. but tmetett— not attend the committee. but tmetett we— not attend the committee. but instead we could.— not attend the committee. but instead we could. i could have emotoememt— instead we could. i could have engagement with— instead we could. i could have engagement with colleagues and etigagetnetit with colleagues atid tiiat engagement with colleagues and thtt te— engagement with colleagues and thtt te whtt— engagement with colleagues and thtt te whtt .— engagement with colleagues and that is what i have— engagement with colleagues and that is what i have done. of course, i'm very— that is what i have done. of course, i'm very delighted to tttett— course, i'm very delighted to tttemt the— course, i'm very delighted to attend the european scrutiny. i tttett— attend the european scrutiny. i attend multiple— attend the european scrutiny. i attend multiple select committees- attend multiple select committees in my role, not just committees iti my role, not just the committees in my role, not just the settetttw— committees in my role, not just the secretary of— committees in my role, not just the secretary of state for htetmeee— the secretary of state for business and _ the secretary of state for business and trade, but minister business atid trade, but mitiister for business and trade, but minister tet tttetttee.— business and trade, but minister for equalities-i'm- business and trade, but minister for equalities. i'm very for equalities. and i'm very happy_ for equalities. and i'm very happylspettk_ for equalities. and i'm very happylspeak to - for equalities. and i'm very happy speak to the committee. iiappy to speak to the committee. but happy to speak to the committee. htt—tetmt. — happy to speak to the committee. htt—tetmt. amt- happy to speak to the committee. but—point. and mr- but there is no point. and mr speakert— but there is no point. and mr shettet, wet— but there is no point. and mr speaker, you will— but there is no point. and mr speaker, you will doubt speaker, you will no doubt ewmhtthtee— speaker, you will no doubt sympathise having speaker, you will no doubt- sympathise-having to sympathise with this having to tttt— sympathise with this having to ttm-tettew— sympathise with this having to tttt-hettew em- sympathise with this having to talk policy on the floor talk about policy oti the floor of talk about policy on the floor et the — talk about policy on the floor of the house— talk about policy on the floor of the house before we know eetettt— of the house before we know exactly whtt— of the house before we know exactly what is— of the house before we know exactly what is settled . he exactly what is settled. he ttttme— exactly what is settled. he ttttme-tt— exactly what is settled. he claims-it is- exactly what is settled. he claims-it is a- exactly what is settled. he claims-it is a he- exactly what is settled. he claims it is a he claims claims that it is a he claims thtt— claims that it is a he claims thtt tt— claims that it is a he claims thtt tt te— claims that it is a he claims thtt tt te t— claims that it is a he claims that it is a change of policy. it that it is a change of policy. lt te— that it is a change of policy. lt le t— that it is a change of policy. it is a change— that it is a change of policy. it is a change of— that it is a change of policy. it is a change of approach. the tettew— it is a change of approach. the eettew le— it is a change of approach. the eettew le etttt— it is a change of approach. the policy is still the— it is a change of approach. the policy is still the same. we are emtme— policy is still the same. we are emttme th— policy is still the same. we are ending eu supremacy. we are temttme— ending eu supremacy. we are temttmg .— ending eu supremacy. we are temttmg , we— ending eu supremacy. we are tending , we are— ending eu supremacy. we are tending, we are ending interpretative effects . but what interpretative effects. but what we ehtmotmo— interpretative effects. but what we are changing is how we're tetme— we are changing is how we're tetmt thtt— we are changing is how we're doing thtt .— we are changing is how we're doing that . we— we are changing is how we're doing that . we could have ended doitig that. we could have etided up doing that. we could have ended up wtth— doing that. we could have ended up wtth tm— doing that. we could have ended up with an program for 150 rs to hteeetwe— up with an program for 150 rs to hteeetwe th— up with an program for 150 rs to hteeetwe th ttm— up with an program for 150 rs to preserve eu law. what i have teme— preserve eu law. what i have teme le— preserve eu law. what i have done is make— preserve eu law. what i have done is make sure that business dotie is make sure that busitiess iti done is make sure that business lm ttteettt— done is make sure that business in particular, but— done is make sure that business in particular, but also those parliamentarians who have raised wtth— parliamentarians who have raised concerns with me,— parliamentarians who have raised concerns with me, including many coticertis with the, iticluditig tnatiy of concerns with me, including many et theee— concerns with me, including many of those chuntering_ concerns with me, including many of those chuntering on the eheeette— of those chuntering on the opposite benches about how we

can see clarity— opposite benches about how we can see clarity and— opposite benches about how we can see clarity and have some tttmehttemew— can see clarity and have some tttmehttemew .— can see clarity and have some transparency . and— can see clarity and have some transparency . and i have shown transparency. and i have shown eetettt— transparency. and i have shown etttttw whtt— transparency. and i have shown exactly what we _ transparency. and i have shown exactly what we are doing. i htwe— exactly what we are doing. i htwe ttetet— exactly what we are doing. i have listed all— exactly what we are doing. i have listed all of the laws whteh— have listed all of the laws whtth we— have listed all of the laws which we are _ have listed all of the laws which we are removing and i thtth— which we are removing and i thtmt thtt— which we are removing and i think that there— which we are removing and i think that there is a key point think that there is a key poitit to think that there is a key point te mtte— think that there is a key point to make here.— think that there is a key point to make here. the reason why we tett— to make here. the reason why we tett the— to make here. the reason why we left the european— to make here. the reason why we left the european union was not left the europeati utiioti was not to left the european union was not te ttet— left the european union was not te ttet tetete— left the european union was not to just delete eu— left the european union was not to just delete eu law from the ettttte— to just delete eu law from the statute book,— to just delete eu law from the statute book, but— to just delete eu law from the statute book, but to make our eeememw— statute book, but to make our economy better. _ statute book, but to make our economy better. in order to do thtt— economy better. in order to do thtt .— economy better. in order to do thtt , we— economy better. in order to do thtt , we htwe— economy better. in order to do that, we have to— economy better. in order to do that , we have to reform the that, we have to reform the ttwe. — that, we have to reform the ttwe. lt— that, we have to reform the ttwe. lt we— that, we have to reform the laws. if we delete the laws from laws. if we delete the laws frotn tiie laws. if we delete the laws from the ettttte— laws. if we delete the laws from the statute book,— laws. if we delete the laws from the statute book, we will be etttttme— the statute book, we will be etttttmo ttem — the statute book, we will be starting from scratch in terms startitig frotn scrathi iti terms of starting from scratch in terms et bringing— starting from scratch in terms et bringing tm— starting from scratch in terms of bringing in the reforming httmtw— of bringing in the reforming primary legislation. this is a hettet— primary legislation. this is a better approach. _ primary legislation. this is a better approach. it was my etooeettem— better approach. it was my etooeettem te— better approach. it was my suggestion to the prime minister suggestioti to the prime mitiister suggestion to the prime minister . tm— suggestion to the prime minister . l-m tew— suggestion to the prime minister . l-m very hteteet— suggestion to the prime minister . i'm very pleased that he tteehtet— . i'm very pleased that he teeehtet lt.— . i'm very pleased that he accepted it. i'm- . i'm very pleased that he accepted it. i'm very pleased thtt— accepted it. i'm very pleased thtt he— accepted it. i'm very pleased that he accepted— accepted it. i'm very pleased that he accepted it and i'm very etett— that he accepted it and i'm very hteet te— that he accepted it and i'm very hteet te he— that he accepted it and i'm very proud to be standing here at the teehtteh— proud to be standing here at the teehtteh hex— proud to be standing here at the despatch box showing that those despathi box showing that those of despatch box showing that those et te— despatch box showing that those et he whe— despatch box showing that those et he whe te— despatch box showing that those of us who are brexiteer ers can of us who are brexiteer ers cati be of us who are brexiteer ers can he httomtttt— of us who are brexiteer ers can he httomttte tmt— of us who are brexiteer ers can be pragmatic and do what is tteht— be pragmatic and do what is tteht tet— be pragmatic and do what is ttoht tet the— be pragmatic and do what is right for the british people and thtt— right for the british people and thtt le— right for the british people and thtt le why— right for the british people and thtt le why tm— right for the british people and that is why i'm very pleased to that is why i'tn very pleased to be that is why i'm very pleased to he explaining— that is why i'm very pleased to be explaining this— that is why i'm very pleased to be explaining this change on the tteet— be explaining this change on the tteetlthe— be explaining this change on the floor-the-today. - be explaining this change on the floor-the-today. mr- floor of the house today. mr speakert_ floor of the house today. mr speaker, minister justin speaker, shadow minister justin wtttete— speaker, shadow minister justin madders thank— speaker, shadow minister justin madders thank you, mr speaker. whtt— madders thank you, mr speaker.

whtt tt— madders thank you, mr speaker. what an absolute— madders thank you, mr speaker. what an absolute shambles- madders thank you, mr speaker. what an absolute shambles i think this is the sixth different government representative at the despatch box for this bill and unfortunately for the secretary of state, she's the one who's going to hear the words going to have to hear the words from us that government from us that no government minister wants to hear that we told you so. but we did repeatedly, institute repeatedly, as did the institute of tuc , the bar of directors, the tuc, the bar council, of other council, and a host of other organisation. so it has to be asked why didn't the government listen to those experts in the first place? it was completely unrealistic, reckless and frankly arrogant to think you could for strike thousand laws frankly arrogant to think you coulcthe strike thousand laws frankly arrogant to think you coulcthe statute housand laws frankly arrogant to think you coulcthe statute housandthe js from the statute book in the timescales the bill. timescales set out in the bill. it's blaming the blob or it's no use blaming the blob or the anti—growth coalition or the bbc. this humiliating u—turn is completely down to government hubns completely down to government hubris that has found itself crashing up against reality. so will she apologise to the entire house and all the trade unions, business, legal and environmental groups who they told wrong ? but will she told were wrong? but will she also apologise for announcing this not to the this policy change? not to the house, to her friends? or house, but to her friends? or should i say now her former friends the erg then to friends in the erg and then to the can she tell us at

the press? can she tell us at what point they decide on what point did they decide on this change and on this change of course, and on what basis have they chosen the 600 regulations to be removed, or now? because she or is it 2000 now? because she mentioned that in her statement as but whilst we welcome as well. but whilst we welcome this climbdown that this humiliating climbdown that sees this sees the cliff edge go, this bill gives enormous powers bill still gives enormous powers to at last the cat to ministers and at last the cat is of the bag about what is out of the bag about what they want to do with them. we're concerned that whilst mode concerned that whilst the mode of delivery has changed, the destination has remained the same and that's in the same and that's revealed in the smarter regulations to grow the economy paper released yesterday, which contains a clear to water down to pee clear plan to water down to pee and working time rights, we have warned time and again of the threat to workers rights in this bill and in response to that, the minister said, and i quote, the have no intention the government have no intention of our strong record of abandoning our strong record on workers rights, having raised domestic on workers rights, having raised dome to: on workers rights, having raised dome to make them of years to make some of them of the highest in the well, the highest in the world. well, we strike from the we can strike that from the record we can strike. the record as we can strike. the secretary of state's leadership hopes. government hopes. how can a government elected manifesto that elected on a manifesto that promised build on existing promised to build on existing employment an employment law justify an approach that water down approach that will water down workers protection? it just goes

to show that you cannot trust the tories with workers rights. let's . take mr speaker, one of let's. take mr speaker, one of the— let's. take mr speaker, one of the thtthe— let's. take mr speaker, one of the things that— let's. take mr speaker, one of the things that i— mr speaker, one of the things that i found most illuminating— the things that i found most illuminating about this process illutnitiatitig about this process is illuminating about this process le hew— illuminating about this process he hew ttttte— illuminating about this process is how little the— illuminating about this process is how little the frontbench eheeette— is how little the frontbench opposite understands what it is doi"9-_ opposite understands what it is we're doing. and— opposite understands what it is we're doing. and so they simply ettmt— we're doing. and so they simply ettmt th— we're doing. and so they simply ettmt up tmt— we're doing. and so they simply stand up and repeat their usual tttttme— stand up and repeat their usual tttttmo thee.— stand up and repeat their usual talking lines. we— stand up and repeat their usual talking lines. we have made tehett— talking lines. we have made repeat commitments that we are repeat cotntnittnetits that we are not repeat commitments that we are met wttettme — repeat commitments that we are not watering down _ repeat commitments that we are not watering down workers rights iti not watering down workers rights h the— not watering down workers rights lm thle tet-ee— not watering down workers rights in this house. if— not watering down workers rights in this house. if he— not watering down workers rights in this house. if he actually tett— in this house. if he actually tett tmt— in this house. if he actually read and understood what we'd wttttem— read and understood what we'd wttttem he— read and understood what we'd written, he would— read and understood what we'd written, he would understand thtt— written, he would understand thtt whtt— written, he would understand that what we're _ written, he would understand that what we're doing is maintaining— that what we're doing is maintaining workers rights, but reducing— maintaining workers rights, but tettetme the— maintaining workers rights, but reducing the bureaucracy that wttt— reducing the bureaucracy that wttt — reducing the bureaucracy that wttt tt— reducing the bureaucracy that will save £1 billion and eemethtme— will save £1 billion and something that both workers and emhtewete— something that both workers and emhtewete tmt— something that both workers and employers and employers want. i thew— employers and employers want. i knew tte— employers and employers want. i know it's really— employers and employers want. i know it's really tough and i thew— know it's really tough and i knew thete— know it's really tough and i know there are— know it's really tough and i know there are lots of words in know there are lots of words iti it, know there are lots of words in lt, htt— know there are lots of words in lt, htt the— know there are lots of words in it, but the truth _ know there are lots of words in it, but the truth is,— know there are lots of words in it, but the truth is, i say to the— it, but the truth is, i say to the opposition— it, but the truth is, i say to the opposition benches, i can explain— the opposition benches, i can explain lt,— the opposition benches, i can explain it, but— the opposition benches, i can explain it, but i— the opposition benches, i can explain it, but i cannot understand— explain it, but i cannot understand it- explain it, but i cannot understand it for them. this is utiderstatid it for them. this is a understand it for them. this is t tew— understand it for them. this is t very .— understand it for them. this is t very , tew— understand it for them. this is a very , very simple change in a very, very simple change in thhtetth— a very, very simple change in tteteteh .— a very, very simple change in tteteteh . we— a very, very simple change in approach . we are— a very, very simple change in approach . we are having the approach. we are having the ettet— approach. we are having the exact same effects that we were ttwtwe— exact same effects that we were thtwe going— exact same effects that we were thtwe going te— exact same effects that we were always going to have. we are emettme— always going to have. we are temewme ee— always going to have. we are removing over 2000 pieces of eu

teetettttem— removing over 2000 pieces of eu leotettttem tm— removing over 2000 pieces of eu legislation in and— removing over 2000 pieces of eu legislation in and we're temewme— legislation in and we're removing over 2000 pieces of eu teetettttem— removing over 2000 pieces of eu leotettttem tm— removing over 2000 pieces of eu legislation in and— removing over 2000 pieces of eu legislation in and it— removing over 2000 pieces of eu legislation in and it is delightful— legislation in and it is delightful to see the labour ttemt— delightful to see the labour front bench— delightful to see the labour front bench and— delightful to see the labour front bench and the erg as they frotit bencii atid tiie erg as they as front bench and the erg as they te thew— front bench and the erg as they te thew ttttm — front bench and the erg as they as they claim to— front bench and the erg as they as they claim to be on the same ette. — as they claim to be on the same ette. tet— as they claim to be on the same ette. tet ee— as they claim to be on the same side. for once it— as they claim to be on the same side. for once it makes me it mttee— side. for once it makes me it mttee me— side. for once it makes me it mttee me lt— side. for once it makes me it makes me it makes me realise thtt— makes me it makes me realise thtt lt— makes me it makes me realise thtt lt l— makes me it makes me realise thtt lt l tm— makes me it makes me realise that if i am upsetting people on heth— that if i am upsetting people on heth ettee— that if i am upsetting people on heth ettee l— that if i am upsetting people on both sides, i am— that if i am upsetting people on both sides, i am probably taking both sides, i atn probably takitig tiie both sides, i am probably taking the mttmttt— both sides, i am probably taking the pragmatic middle ground and the pragmatic middle groutid atid i'tn the pragmatic middle ground and l-m tew— the pragmatic middle ground and l-m very hteteet— the pragmatic middle ground and i'm very pleased to be doing so. thete— i'm very pleased to be doing so. thete le— i'm very pleased to be doing so. thete le ttt— i'm very pleased to be doing so. there is, mr speaker , so much there is, mr speaker, so much eeeetttmttw— there is, mr speaker, so much eeeetttmttw tmt— there is, mr speaker, so much opportunity and reform that we opportutiity atid reform that we cati opportunity and reform that we ttte— opportunity and reform that we tthe em— opportunity and reform that we can take on eu— opportunity and reform that we can take on eu law reform, and thtt— can take on eu law reform, and thtt le— can take on eu law reform, and thtt le whtt— can take on eu law reform, and that is what this— can take on eu law reform, and that is what this programme is tteet— that is what this programme is thett . — that is what this programme is thett . the— that is what this programme is about . the house- that is what this programme is about . �*thjl;i.. that is what this programme is about . that is what this programme is about. the house well, that was kemi badenoch , the business kemi badenoch, the business secretary. this of course is the etetw— secretary. this of course is the etetw the — secretary. this of course is the story the bonfire— secretary. this of course is the story the bonfire of— tyt this of course is the story the bonfire of eu regulations,- story the bonfire of eu regulations, which rishi sunak pledged— regulations, which rishi sunak htetoet theo— regulations, which rishi sunak pledged 4000 regulations would pledged 4000 regulatiotis would go pledged 4000 regulations would 90 by— pledged 4000 regulations would 90 by the— pledged 4000 regulations would 90 by the emt— pledged 4000 regulations would 90 by the emt et— pledged 4000 regulations would go by the end of the year. batus go by the etid of the year. batus not go by the end of the year. batus not confirming— go by the end of the year. batus not confirming to— go by the end of the year. batus not confirming to the commons thete— not confirming to the commons thete wttt— not confirming to the commons thete wttt he— not confirming to the commons there will be will— not confirming to the commons there will be will be lucky if eee— there will be will be lucky if eee ge— there will be will be lucky if 600 go another— there will be will be lucky if 600 go another sell out on htextt— 600 go another sell out on htettt tmt— 600 go another sell out on brexit and bill— 600 go another sell out on brexit and bill cash asked for thtt— brexit and bill cash asked for thtt tteett— brexit and bill cash asked for that urgent question because ehttetetw— that urgent question because obviously this— that urgent question because obviously this is— that urgent question because obviously this is this is riling hetete— obviously this is this is riling heehte em— obviously this is this is riling heehte em heth— obviously this is this is riling people on both sides . 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can't everyone happy. so can't keep everyone happy. so yeah, what's a complete yeah, so what's a complete nonsense about . don't even know nonsense about. don't even know whtt— nonsense about. don't even know whtt ehe-e— nonsense about. don't even know whtt ehe-e .— nonsense about. don't even know what she's . talking _ don't even know what she's . talking a“: what she's. talking malone and stephen pound are with us. karen normally comes in talking to me anyway but but karen, let's go straight into blow was talking all the time we couldn't get a word in the big story the archbishop of us. yeah this is he's archbishop of us. yeah this is me eett— archbishop of us. yeah this is me eett-the— archbishop of us. yeah this is he's sort-the in- archbishop of us. yeah this is he's sort-the in the- t yeah this is he's sort the in the lords he's sort of in the in the lords weetetttw— he's sort of in the in the lords weetetttw l— he's sort of in the in the lords weetetttw l beg— he's sort of in the in the lords yesterday i beg your pardon. and he-e— yesterday i beg your pardon. and he-e-te— yesterday i beg your pardon. and he's-to overturn- yesterday i beg your pardon. and he's to overturn the he's trying to overturn the mtottttem— he's trying to overturn the migration bill.— he's trying to overturn the migration bill. now, you know whtte— migration bill. now, you know whtte l— migration bill. now, you know what? i understand why what? i don't understand why he-e— what? i don't understand why he-e thete— what? i don't understand why he-e thete tm— what? i don't understand why he's there in-first- what? i don't understand why he's there in first place. what? i don't understand why he' othere in first place. what? i don't understand why he' other denomination lace. no other denomination is represented.— no other denomination is represented. scotch welsh represetited. i was scothi welin iti represented. i was scotch welsh lm-l— represented. i was scotch welsh lm-l temt— represented. i was scotch welsh in-i don't quite- represented. i was scotch welsh in i don't quite know in the lords. i don't quite know why—bi5h0p5-- in the lords. i don't quite knowj why—bishops. yes why he's there. 26 bishops. yes but — why he's there. 26 bishops. yes but .meme— why he's there. 26 bishops. yes but .meme et— why he's there. 26 bishops. yes but. .none of them- why he's there. 26 bishops. yes but. none of them from irish but. but none of them from irish wettth— but. but none of them from irish wettth te— but. but none of them from irish wealth are the— but. but none of them from irish wealth are the scottish. but. htt— wealth are the scottish. but. htt he-e— wealth are the scottish. but. but he's, he's.— wealth are the scottish. but. but he's, he's. he's interfering but iie's, iie's. he's ititerferitig iti but he's, he's. he's interfering lm hettttte— but he's, he's. he's interfering lm hettttee wet— but he's, he's. he's interfering in politics yet again. this was the— in politics yet again. this was the-whe— in politics yet again. this was the-who actually- in politics yet again. this was the who actually tried to the bloke who actually tried to lmtettete — the bloke who actually tried to interfere _well. - the bloke who actually tried to interfere well. and interfere in brexit as well. and tmetett— interfere in brexit as well. and tmetett et— interfere in brexit as well. and instead of doing— interfere in brexit as well. and instead of doing that, he really ettht—htet ought to concentrate on on his ewm-whteh— ought to concentrate on on his ewm-whteh le— ought to concentrate on on his own .which is the- ought to concentrate on on his own which is the anglican own job, which is the anglican chuteh— own job, which is the anglican church, which— own job, which is the anglican church, which haemorrhaging own job, which is the anglican church, and h haemorrhaging own job, which is the anglican church, and it's haemorrhaging own job, which is the anglican church, and it's intemorrhaging own job, which is the anglican church, and it's in aiiorrhaging own job, which is the anglican church, and it's in a messaging own job, which is the anglican church, and it's in a mess now. people. and it's in a mess now. htt— people. and it's in a mess now. htt he-e— people. and it's in a mess now. htt he-e met— people. and it's in a mess now. but he's not doing— people. and it's in a mess now. but he's not doing that and he's tetme— but he's not doing that and he's tetmt thte— but he's not doing that and he's tetmt thle tmt— but he's not doing that and he's doing this and said and he said

weetetttw— doing this and said and he said weetetttw lt— doing this and said and he said yesterday it was— doing this and said and he said yesterday it was this new mtottttem— yesterday it was this new migration bill— yesterday it was this new migration bill was morally unacceptable— migration bill was morally unacceptable and he called it hettttetttw— unacceptable and he called it politically impractical. what i tet-t— politically impractical. what i tem-t thew— politically impractical. what i don't know how— politically impractical. what i don't know how know how he knows thtt.— don't know how know how he knows thtt. htt— don't know how know how he knows thtt. htt-twe— don't know how know how he knows thtt. htt-twe, lt— don't know how know how he knows that. but-two, it is— don't know how know how he knows that. but two, it is not it that. but but two, it is not it is that. but but two, it is not it he met— that. but but two, it is not it is not morally— that. but but two, it is not it is not morally unacceptable to is not morally utiacceptable to try is not morally unacceptable to to tmt— is not morally unacceptable to to the etee— is not morally unacceptable to try and stop people killing themselves— try and stop people killing themselves as— try and stop people killing themselves as they're crossing themselves as they're crossitig tiie themselves as they're crossing the chtmmel — themselves as they're crossing the channel. - not - themselves as they're crossing the channel. not morally the channel. it is not morally unacceptable— the channel. it is not morally unacceptable stop the unacceptable to stop the ttttttt. — unacceptable to stop the ttttttt. lt— unacceptable to stop the traffic. it is— unacceptable to stop the traffic. it is not morally unacceptable - traffic. it is not morally unacceptable , bill, to stop the unacceptable, bill, to stop the athtmttm— unacceptable, bill, to stop the albanian gangsters who are now thtthe— albanian gangsters who are now bringing albanians over here to mtte— bringing albanians over here to mtte them— bringing albanians over here to mtte them 90— bringing albanians over here to make them go and work in the ttte— make them go and work in the two tmt— make them go and work in the drug and prostitution trade. so drug atid prostitutioti trade. so i drug and prostitution trade. so l-tttte— drug and prostitution trade. so l-tttte thew— drug and prostitution trade. so i quite know what he's i don't quite know what he's tttttme— i don't quite know what he's tttttme-thte- i don't quite know what he's talking-this guy- i don't quite know what he's talking this guy for talking about. this guy for wette— talking about. this guy for wette you— talking about. this guy for years, you know, he really years, you know, if he really wtmte— years, you know, if he really wtmtelget— years, you know, if he really wants-get into _ years, you know, if he really wants get into politics, he wants to get into politics, he ehewt— wants to get into politics, he ehettt htme— wants to get into politics, he should hang up— wants to get into politics, he should hang up his might and go inould iiatig up his might atid go atid should hang up his might and go tht-etettet— should hang up his might and go and elected somewhere. but atid get elected somewhere. but iie and get elected somewhere. but he teeem-t.— and get elected somewhere. but he doesn't-does- and get elected somewhere. but he doesn't. does this he doesn't. he just does this tmt— he doesn't. he just does this and-interferes— he doesn't. he just does this and interferes and he doesn't. he just does this and-interferes and do, and he interferes and he can do, you— and he interferes and he can do, we thew,— and he interferes and he can do, wet thew, he— and he interferes and he can do, you know, he has— and he interferes and he can do, you know, he has no solution to you know, iie iias no solutioti to the you know, he has no solution to the hette. — you know, he has no solution to the hette. he— you know, he has no solution to the boats. he has— you know, he has no solution to the boats. he has no solution to mtettttem—httl migration, nor do labour. but thew-te— tiiey're sayitig that everything they're saying that everything the temee— they're saying that everything the tories come— they're saying that everything the tories come up with isn't going— the tories come up with isn't tetmt-tmt— the tories come up with isn't tetmt-tht tte- the tories come up with isn't going and it's, you going to work and it's, you thew,— going to work and it's, you thew-ett- going to work and it's, you know,-out of- going to work and it's, you know, out of touch going to work and it's, you- know,-out of touch with know, he's so out of touch with the— know, he's so out of touch with the htttteh— know, he's so out of touch with the british people— know, he's so out of touch with the british people really the british people who really wtmt— the british people who really wtmt thte— the british people who really want this .to _ the british people who really want this to work . they want this bill to work. they tetttw— want this bill to work. they really -these- want this bill to work. they really these boats stopped. really want these boats stopped. you really want these boats stopped.| ve—tte you know, the british people are not you know, the british people are met-mtgttttem— you know, the british people are met-mtgttttem .- you know, the british people are not migration . every not against migration. every eett— not against migration. every eett-eemee— not against migration. every poll-comes out- not against migration. every poll comes out there was poll that comes out there was a

htttteh— poll that comes out there was a british attitude— poll that comes out there was a british attitude survey recently-— british attitude survey recently. they said they're not tetmet— recently. they said they're not against immigration , but they agaitist my itntnigratioti, but they are against my immigration, but they tte-the— against my immigration, but they tte-the thtee— against my immigration, but they are-the chaos and- against my immigration, but they are the chaos and the are against the chaos and the ltleottltw— are against the chaos and the ltteottttw et— are against the chaos and the illegality of what is happening illegality of what is iiappetiitig iti illegality of what is happening h the— illegality of what is happening lm the-amt- illegality of what is happening in the and people like in the channel. and people like eeettte— in the channel. and people like heehte ttte— in the channel. and people like heehte tthe the— in the channel. and people like people like the archbishop here people like the arciibiinop iiere sits people like the archbishop here ette lm— people like the archbishop here ette lm hte— people like the archbishop here sits in his ivory— people like the archbishop here sits in his ivory tower and pontificates_ sits in his ivory tower and pontificates and never has to ttte— pontificates and never has to take responsible— pontificates and never has to take responsible motty for what he-e— take responsible motty for what he-e-l— take responsible motty for what he-e-l thtth— take responsible motty for what he's-i think that's- he's doing. i think that's theelttetw— he's doing. i think that's absolutely right. i have say, absolutely right. i have to say, twe— absolutely right. i have to say, i've got pick up on the i've got to pick up on the crumbs that carol's left here. but you were in tehran but sorry if you were in tehran tettw— but sorry if you were in tehran tettw tmt— but sorry if you were in tehran tettw the wet— but sorry if you were in tehran today and you popped into the thtthe— today and you popped into the majlist wet— today and you popped into the majlis, you know,— today and you popped into the majlis, you know, the iranian htttttmemt,— parliament, you would see the twttettthe— parliament, you would see the ayatollahs-there- parliament, you would see the ayatollahs there because ayatollaiis sittitig there because the ayatollahs sitting there because the hetee— ayatollahs sitting there because the hetee et— ayatollahs sitting there because the house of lords and the thtthe— the house of lords and the thtthe lm— the house of lords and the majlis in tehran- the house of lords and the majlis in tehran are the only twe— majlis in tehran are the only two legislatures— majlis in tehran are the only two legislatures in the world whete— two legislatures in the world whete eeettte— two legislatures in the world where people on— two legislatures in the world where people on the basis of thett— where people on the basis of their-position- where people on the basis ofi their-position-sit their religious positioti cati sit iti their religious position can sit lm-thtmhet— their religious position can sit in .chamber and - their religious position can sit in chamber and run the in the chamber and run the eemtm— in the chamber and run the country.ithink_ in the chamber and run the country. think he's perfectly country. i think he's perfectly emthtet— country. i think he's perfectly emttttet te— country. i think he's perfectly entitled to talk— country. i think he's perfectly entitled to talk about morality, etititled to talk about morality, but entitled to talk about morality, htt he— entitled to talk about morality, but he should— entitled to talk about morality, but he should talk about it from entitled to talk about morality, but pulpit.uld talk about it from entitled to talk about morality, but pulpit.uld t notibout it from entitled to talk about morality, but pulpit.uld t not from it from entitled to talk about morality, but pulpit.uld t not from the om the pulpit. yes. not from the ttem— the pulpit. yes. not from the ttem the— the pulpit. yes. not from the from the parliament, from from weetmtmetet.— from the parliament, from from westminster. and— from the parliament, from from westminster. and i think this is wett— westminster. and i think this is very tew— westminster. and i think this is very, very confusing. it's not hethttt— very, very confusing. it's not hethttt .— very, very confusing. it's not hethttt . amt— very, very confusing. it's not helpful . and i— very, very confusing. it's not helpful . and i just wish, you helpful. and i just wish, you thew,— helpful. and i just wish, you know, there'd _ helpful. and i just wish, you know, there'd be— helpful. and i just wish, you know, there'd be a little more eeetttwtw— know, there'd be a little more positivity because i think tttet-e— positivity because i think carol's-makes. carol's actually makes an lmhetttmt— carol's actually makes an important to itnportatit poitit. nobody wants to see important point. nobody wants to eeeltemttmtet— important point. nobody wants to see continued version of the see a continued version of the hteeemt— see a continued version of the

hteeemt ewetem— see a continued version of the present system. we can. i think presetit system. we cati. i think the present system. we can. i think the tem— present system. we can. i think the tett et— present system. we can. i think the tett et te— present system. we can. i think the four of us would probably tttetttee— the four of us would probably disagree-how- the four of us would probably disagree how should disagree about how we should teehemt— disagree about how we should teetmt-lt,— disagree about how we should respond-it, but— disagree about how we should respond it, but the fact respond to it, but the fact te— respond to it, but the fact remains to simply say, oh, no, tte— remains to simply say, oh, no, he tmmettl— remains to simply say, oh, no, it's immoral and— remains to simply say, oh, no, it's immoral and just turn it's immoral and then just turn twtw— it's immoral and then just turn twtw ttm— it's immoral and then just turn away mm the — it's immoral and then just turn away, turn the other just away, turn the other way, just wtmett— away, turn the other way, just wtmtet-tttt— away, turn the other way, just wander talk about living wander away, talk about living iti wander away, talk about living lm—lt-e- wander away, talk about living lm—lt-e ttwmel in the high castle. it's living the— in the high castle. it's living the-tewet — in the high castle. it's living the tower. lambeth palace the high tower. lambeth palace is the high tower. lambeth palace le-he— the high tower. lambeth palace le-he twee.— the high tower. lambeth palace is-he lives. yes,- the high tower. lambeth palace is-he lives. yes, he- the high tower. lambeth palace is he lives. yes, he does. is where he lives. yes, he does. amt— is where he lives. yes, he does. amt-temt— is where he lives. yes, he does. amt-temt eet— is where he lives. yes, he does. and don't get much higher and you don't get much higher thth—t— and you don't get much higher thth—t-emtttl than that. it's a very smart place, i what? what the place, i think. what? what the one that we place, i think. what? what the one _that we sort- place, i think. what? what the one _that we sort of- place, i think. what? what thei one _that we sort of aren't one thing that we sort of aren't tttttmg— one thing that we sort of aren't tttttmo tteet— one thing that we sort of aren't talking about enough on this teete— talking about enough on this le— talking about enough on this le why— talking about enough on this issue is why french not issue is why the french are not tetme— issue is why the french are not tetmt mete— issue is why the french are not tetmt tt— issue is why the french are not doing more. i'd support welby to ettmt— doing more. i'd support welby to ettmt th— doing more. i'd support welby to ettmt up tmt— doing more. i'd support welby to stand up and hang on, we've stand up and say, hang on, we've them— stand up and say, hang on, we've them-memth— stand up and say, hang on, we've given-french, what- stand up and say, hang on, we've given french, what was it, given the french, what was it, tmethet— another £300 million or eemethtme. — another £300 million or something. £400 something. we gave them £400 mttttem— something. we gave them £400 mttttem-tte— something. we gave them £400 million. _are you- something. we gave them £400 million. are you doing with million. what are you doing with thtt—them- million. what are you doing withi that—them pushing tiiat tnotiey to stop them puining off that money to stop them pushing ett—ttem — that money to stop them pushing ett—ttem the- that money to stop them pushing off—from the from. off their dininies frotn tiie frotn tiie off their dinghies from the from the shoreline?— off their dinghies from the from the shoreline? _ off their dinghies from the from the shoreline? “3g ”l; the shoreline? imagine you're the shoreline? imagine you're the of calais and you've the mayor of calais and you've got 2000 people your got 2000 people within your circumscribed who who are just causing no end of mayhem. what do want do? push them out do you want to do? push them out as as possibly can. as quick as you possibly can. you can hardly blame them . it's you can hardly blame them. it's wasted money. then why are we ettht— wasted money. then why are we giving them— wasted money. then why are we giving them the— wasted money. then why are we giving them the money? this is tmwthtme— giving them the money? this is tmwthtmo htt. — giving them the money? this is anything but. j] . anything but. don't you think this fight? the government anything but. don't you think th relishing ht? the government anything but. don't you think th relishing with he government anything but. don't you think th relishing with unelectednent is relishing with unelected lords like who lords and people like welby who are of touch. i

are completely out of touch. i fear the public is on the fear that the public is on the government side. i yeah, but i fear government side. i yeah, but i tett thew— government side. i yeah, but i tett thew wet-t— government side. i yeah, but i fear they won't win.— government side. i yeah, but i fear they won't win. but- g 3t;; iyeah, but i fear they won't win. but i read eemethtmg— fear they won't win. but i read something yesterday you something yesterday which you htehthtw— something yesterday which you htehtth—thtei probably know more about this thth— probably know more about this thtm me— probably know more about this than me. even— probably know more about this than me. even if— probably know more about this than me. even if the lords do etetttm— than me. even if the lords do etetttm lt,— than me. even if the lords do overturn it, the— than me. even if the lords do overturn it, the government can etth— overturn it, the government can etm-them.— overturn it, the government can still-them. they've - overturn it, the government can still them. they've done still defy them. they've done it seven-in history- still defy them. they've done it seven in history and they seven times in history and they tettt— seven times in history and they tetttltt— seven times in history and they eetttltt tettm— seven times in history and they could-it again if— seven times in history and they could it again if they need could do it agaiti if they tieed to could do it again if they need telthtt— could do it again if they need to.that won't— could do it again if they need to.that won't go- could do it again if they need to that won't go down well to do that won't go down well wtth— to do that won't go down well htt-know,— to do that won't go down well with, - know, with - to do that won't go down well with, know, with the left with, you know, with the left whe— with, you know, with the left whe-wet — with, you know, with the left who _you know, - with, you know, with the left who you know, this is who will say, you know, this is met—tte— who will say, you know, this is met—tte only- who will say, you know, this is not—it's only on. not democracy, it's only on a ttmtmte— not democracy, it's only on a finance bill. _ not democracy, it's only on a finance bill. they- not democracy, it's only on a finance bill. i�*t;yt tte?“ not democracy, it's only on a finance bill. i�*t;yt cw?" not democracy, it's only on a finance bill. i�*t;yt tte?“ 3; finance bill. they can only do that. they can also only do that. and they can also only do it it's not if it's in the it if it's not if it's in the manifesto, if they if it's not in the manifesto, flatten this. they can put it in in the next the-e— they can put it in in the next tho-e sheeeh. — they can put it in in the next king's speech. and then then thew— king's speech. and then then thew-tee— king's speech. and then then thew-tee the — king's speech. and then then they use the parliament act they then use the parliatnetit act to they then use the parliament act te eet— they then use the parliament act te oetltheueh— they then use the parliament act to get through. there's to get it through. but there's eemethtme— to get it through. but there's. something—salisbury something called the salisbury cemwemttem. — convention. it's all very well labour know, and the labour and, you know, and the archbishop of canterbury, you know, absolutely p&o everything the do . but the government tries to do. but there be a solution to there has to be a solution to this. you know, does he not know how many people have died in the channel? realise channel? does he not realise what happening the what is happening to the vulnerable people are vulnerable people who are handing over six grand at vulnerable people who are h.timeg over six grand at vulnerable people who are h.time to tver six grand at vulnerable people who are h.time to come six grand at vulnerable people who are h.time to come overx grand at vulnerable people who are h.time to come over here?d at vulnerable people who are h.time to come over here? and a time to come over here? and does he not realise the chaos it's causing every single

it's causing to every single community in this country? and i think truth it is he think the truth of it is he doesn't he doesn't mix doesn't because he doesn't mix among ordinary people. mixes among ordinary people. he mixes with mighty. he with the high and mighty. he never out of his palace never comes out of his palace living kent this living in kent with this problem, thousands of migrants in think, though, in hotels. do you think, though, i in hotels. do you think, though, l-we-te— in hotels. do you think, though, l-we-te tteet— in hotels. do you think, though, i-we're about to- in hotels. do you think, though, i-we're about to get- i mean, we're about to get temee— i mean, we're about to get figures which— i mean, we're about to get figures which looks like it's htehthtw— figures which looks like it's htehthtw going— figures which looks like it's probably going to be net mtottttem— probably going to be net migration of— probably going to be net migration of about three tttttete— migration of about three quarters million people quarters of a tnillioti people iii the quarters of a million people in the—tme— quarters of a million people in the _this country,. the last year in this country, hteheet— the last year in this country, hteheet-tte— the last year in this country, highest-are we- the last year in this country, highest are we talking highest ever are we talking tteet— highest ever are we talking about-numbers,- highest ever are we talking about numbers, which are about these numbers, which are twttt—ttteet- awful and they do affect eemmtmttw— awful and they do affect- community _tragic. community is and it is tragic. lt-e— community is and it is tragic. lt-e-lt-e— community is and it is tragic. lt-e-lt-e ttet— community is and it is tragic. it's it's just nobody's it's just it's just nobody's wtmmtmg— it's just it's just nobody's winning lm— it's just it's just nobody's winning in this situation. yeah winning iti tiiis situatioti. yeaii are winning in this situation. yeah ate-we— winning in this situation. yeah are-we spending- winning in this situation. yeah. are-we spending-much are we are we spending too much time— are we are we spending too much time-about— are we are we spending too much time-about m— are we are we spending too much time-about it.7 we- are we are we spending too much time about it.7 we should time talking about it.7 we should be-about— time talking about it.7 we should be-about the— time talking about it.7 we should be about the overall be talking about the overall migration— migration figures when we don't have—running- migration figures when we don't have—running at- have the services running at capacity. — have the services running at capacity. _we- have the services running at capacity. well, the overall migration obviously migration figures obviously include they include family reunion. they include family reunion. they include they include include students, they include people here, like people who are coming here, like doctors legal . their doctors from their legal. their legal, legal. yeah exactly. so illegal. but what is insane about this is the fact that the home office is still utterly sclerotic. it is simply it takes 18 months minimum to actually get one. now, look what you should do. you know, i've said

this to you before, andrew, and i said this to you before we should actually detain the people on arrival and make an assessment within 36 hours like the the dutch can the dutch do. if the dutch can do within hours at do it within 36 hours at schiphol airport, then kick them do it within 36 hours at schiiyeah,rirport, then kick them do it within 36 hours at schiiyeah, absolutely. kick them do it within 36 hours at schiiyeah, absolutely. but< them do it within 36 hours at schiiyeah, absolutely. but we em out. yeah, absolutely. but we don't kick no, but not don't kick them out. no, but not not just kick them but also not just kick them out, but also let in those people who have a genuine welfare. sure. so what we separate the we should do is separate the sheep from the goats there and then if they've destroyed then and if they've destroyed their out. yes. and they their papers out. yes. and they do we — their papers out. yes. and they do we know— their papers out. yes. and they do we know they— their papers out. yes. and they do we know they toss-in. their papers out. yes. and they. do we know they toss-in the do we know they toss them in the sea-they— do we know they toss them in the sea-they-and- do we know they toss them in the sea _they - and they i sea before they get it and they should— sea before they get it and they should fingerprinted. "mi; should be fingerprinted. there and— should be fingerprinted. there and we— should be fingerprinted. there are. and we then— should be fingerprinted. there are. and we then come- should be fingerprinted. there are. and we then come to my next point, all disagree are. and we then come to my next point i all disagree are. and we then come to my next point i think all disagree are. and we then come to my next point i think we all disagree are. and we then come to my next point i think we shouldagree are. and we then come to my next point i think we should have id with. i think we should have id cards immediately so that the black economy can't boom the black economy can't boom at the moment mean, carol moment because i mean, carol talks drugs and talks about drugs and prostitution round my it's prostitution round my way. it's mostly some of mostly car washes and some of them that's how they them are well, that's how they launder through launder money through through car washes, a of these car washes, a lot of these gangs. but ithought car washes, a lot of these gangs. but i thought was gangs. but what i thought was a disturbing— 33 but what i thought was a disturbing development was the albanian—gone- disturbing development was the albanian gone over to albanian gangs have gone over to fence— albanian gangs have gone over to france and— albanian gangs have gone over to france and they've— albanian gangs have gone over to france and they've now infiltrated _ france and they've now infiltrated traffickers and infiltrated the traffickers and eney-ne— infiltrated the traffickers and thev'relover_ infiltrated the traffickers and they're i over of _ infiltrated the traffickers and they're over of young albanian bringing over of young albanian guys— bringing over of young albanian gnyelccnnn— bringing over of young albaniani guys-commit-them. guys to commit crimes for them. now:— guys to commit crimes for them. new-fe— guys to commit crimes for them. new-fe c— guys to commit crimes for them. now,-is a shocking- now, that is a shocking development, now, that is a shocking-

development,-one's development, and no one's ncnncuy— development, and no one's actually-about- development, and no one's actually-about you actually talking about that. you knew,— know, you see these albanian gangs— know, you see these albanian genes-lennon. — know, you see these albanian. gangs-london. _taken gangs in london. they've taken over crime. you— gangs in london. they've taken over crime. you know, there's ccnnnuy— over crime. you know, there's actually lwebsite - over crime. you know, there's actually website called actually a website called albanians. _ actually a website called albanians. probably albanians. you've probably seen it. albanians. you've probably seen n. _cnanng- albanians. you've probably seen n. _enanne en- albanians. you've probably seen it. _showing off thei it. and they're showing off the enun— it. and they're showing off the stun—ene- stuff that they've done, the ence— stuff that they've done, the cars that they've the cars that they've stolen, the emee— cars that they've stolen, the drugs—selling] cars that they've stolen, the l drugs—selling, the drugs that they're selling, the ten drugs that they're selling, the fen-wencnee— drugs that they're selling, the - ten _watches _ how ten rolex watches they have. how do_..yo.e_ ten rolex watches they have. how nc-nnycne deng- do they get anyone doing about fe — do they get anyone doing about ne _are— do they get anyone doing about it.7 _are-fleeing- do they get anyone doing about it.7 _are-fleeing in. it.7 what are they fleeing in albania? there's it? what are they fleeing in albania? there's no war. so conflict completely. but they're using using they're using they're using they're claiming they've let's claiming they've been let's go to dorotea today. i to tirana or dorotea today. i mean, going mean, there actually a lot going on mean, there actually a lot going cnlncnnnn— mean, there actually a lot going cnlncncnn en— mean, there actually a lot going on .albania at the— mean, there actually a lot going on albania at the moment. on in albania at the moment. and:— on in albania at the moment. and, you— on in albania at the moment. and, you knew,— on in albania at the moment. and, you know, there is actually a ncanng— and, you know, there is actually a booming particularly a booming economy, particularly up a booming economy, particularly nn-nne— a booming economy, particularly up-the venetian- a booming economy, particularly up the venetian border up towards the venetian border in up towards the venetian border fn—cnl in italy. but i was reading on gb in italy. but i was reading on cn newe— in italy. but i was reading on cn fencin— in italy. but i was reading on gb news-it last- in italy. but i was reading on gb news it last week in the gb news is it last week in the cancpngcc— gb news is it last week in the galapagos islands, albania and gangs— galapagos islands, albania and gangs facilitating cocaine gangs are facilitating cocaine ennggnng— gangs are facilitating cocaine ennggnngln— gangs are facilitating cocaine smugglingii-it's- gangs are facilitating cocaine smuggling i it's just smuggling. i mean, it'sjust going— smuggling. i mean, it'sjust going-here- — smuggling. i mean, it'sjust going here. "an ”c; g going on here. they're taking over world. it's over the world. it's astonishing. - over the world. it's. astonishing. .awful, over the world. it's- astonishing.-awful, right? astonishing. it's awful, right? royals— astonishing. it's awful, right? royals-had- astonishing. it's awful, right? royals-had n- astonishing. it's awful, right? royals-had a lot- astonishing. it's awful, right? royals had a lot of royals as if we had a lot of royals— royals as if we had a lot of cyan fece— royals as if we had a lot of royals last week, - royals as if we had a lot of royals last week, you might have ncncen— royals last week, you might have ncncen. fenn— royals last week, you might have noticed. yeah, we— royals last week, you might have noticed. yeah, we did notice. nun— noticed. yeah, we did notice. nun fen-e— noticed. yeah, we did notice. nun fen-e fuen— noticed. yeah, we did notice. but let's just talk about it for a-because this- a moment, because this is a econ.— a moment, because this is a econ-ion— a moment, because this is a econ-icn-nnn- a moment, because this is a story. on main story on story. it's on our main story on ene— story. it's on our main story on nne en— story. it's on our main story on nne cn newe— story. it's on our main story on the gb news website well. if the gb news website as well. if you— the gb news website as well. if you nann— the gb news website as well. if you went cc— the gb news website as well. if you want to have— the gb news website as well. if you want to have a— the gb news website as well. if you want to have a look at it, ance— you want to have a look at it, prince william— you want to have a look at it, prince william given prince william has given a top ncncn— prince william has given a top ncncn cc— prince william has given a top ncncn no n— prince william has given a top honour to a former member of enn— honour to a former member of scan nnc— honour to a former member of staff who made— honour to a former member of staff who made a— honour to a former member of staff who made a bullying complaint— staff who made a bullying

complaint about meghan markle. chnanencee— complaint about meghan markle. cnnfnk — complaint about meghan markle. (ithink enc

it. yeah, but king william, we haven't seen it. if— . yeah, but king william, we haven't seen it. if you two newen-n— haven't seen it. if you two haven't seen— haven't seen it. if you two haven't seen it,- haven't seen it. if you two haven't seen it, it doesn't ence- — haven't seen it, it doesn't exist. idon't_ haven't seen it, it doesn't exist. idon't think- haven't seen it, it doesn't exist. in?" c "c: haven't seen it, it doesn't exist. w:w:::w’“ . “

liked and he puts, as you say, he stuck his head. would that be any other reason to give him that, though? has given that that, though? has he given that nwcn— that, though? has he given that nwcn eewwce— that, though? has he given that much service-the— 3“ has he given that much service the couple? �*" much service to the couple? if wen-we— much service to the couple? if wen-we none— much service to the couple? if you've done work,— much service to the couple? if you've done work, if- much service to the couple? if you've done work, if all- much service to the couple? if you've done work, if all the royal you get one royal family, you often get one of those. it comes up with the wewwcnc— of those. it comes up with the canons-fence,- of those. it comes up with the rations - large, they're . rations by and large, they're nwwe— rations by and large, they'rei quite _footmen rations by and large, they're- quite_footmen and quite minor. no, the footmen and women normally— quite minor. no, the footmen and women normally just get the men— women normally just get the british empire— women normally just get the british empire medal. this is we— british empire medal. this is wnwelcne— british empire medal. this is this.one.the_ british empire medal. this is this one the highest ones. this is one of the highest ones. new— this is one of the highest ones. new-wowe— this is one of the highest ones. but you're absolutely but i think you're absolutely wenc— but i think you're absolutely wen-_cwewen- right. this is real clever, pncewe— right. this is real clever, passive aggression here, because nec— passive aggression here, because nee-new,— passive aggression here, because nee-new, nee- passive aggression here, because nee-new, ne-e new- he's like it or not, he's put newn— he's like it or not, he's put down-were- he's like it or not, he's put. down _there-he he's like it or not, he's put- down _there-he said, down a marker there and he said, this relationship— down a marker there and he said, this relationship stops and this relationship stops here and now-going— this relationship stops here and now-goinglsay- this relationship stops here and now going say any now i'm not going to say any cf— now i'm not going to say any of we — now i'm not going to say any more of this. this— now i'm not going to say any more of this. this personal nnwnwe— more of this. this personal private stuff— more of this. this personal private stuff about me threatening - private stuff about me threatening wasn't private stuff about me threatening-wasn't a threatening to hit wasn't it a joy wnew— threatening to hit wasn't it a joy wnew-wcc- threatening to hit wasn't it a joy wnew-wne n- threatening to hit wasn't it a joy that was a complete joy that harry was a complete fnewewcnwe — joy that harry was a complete irrelevant? _was- joy that harry was a complete irrelevant? f joy that harry was a complete. irrelevant? _was perfect. irrelevant? oh, it was perfect. i irrelevant? oh, it was perfect. w woven— irrelevant? oh, it was perfect. w wcwen n.— irrelevant? oh, it was perfect. w wcwen fw. ven— irrelevant? oh, it was perfect. i loved it. you know,— irrelevant? o“ c f i loved it. you know, wondered i loved it. you know, i wondered wnnw— i loved it. you know, i wondered wnnw ne— i loved it. you know, i wondered wnnw ne fen— i loved it. you know, i wondered what he felt when— i loved it. you know, i wondered what he felt when wills bent newn— what he felt when wills bent down we — what he felt when wills bent down to kiss— what he felt when wills bent down to kiss the— what he felt when wills bent down to kiss the king and was, we— down to kiss the king and was, we nonw— down to kiss the king and was, like, front and— down to kiss the king and was, like, front and centre. and i woven— like, front and centre. and i loved _ princess loved the fact that princess anne-c— loved the fact that princess anne's-obscured - loved the fact that princess anne's obscured his face for loved the fact that princess annentire obscured his face for loved the fact that princess annentire ceremony his face for loved the fact that princess annentire ceremony whenwce for loved the fact that princess annentire ceremony when theyr the entire ceremony when they wenww— the entire ceremony when they really eeewwng— the entire ceremony when they really seating arrangement. i wecww— really seating arrangement. i really none— really seating arrangement. i really ncpe cc.— really seating arrangement. i really hope so. because all wncce— those pictures that netflix wowe— those pictures that netflix- wcwwn—nwe gene would have hoped would have gone newne— would have hoped would have gone cwcwnn nne— would have hoped would have gone around the world,— would have hoped would have gone around the world, those iconic nwcwwee— around the world, those iconic nwcwwee-wne- around the world, those iconic pictures the abbey, pictures of him in the abbey, wnew-we—ncwe- pictures of him in the abbey,i they're—havelbig they're all going to have a big eeeme.— they're all going to have a big nenwnen ann— they're all going to have a big feather. and all— they're all going to have a big feather. and all you could see nn— feather. and all you could see nfe enn— feather. and all you could see was his ear holes. _ feather. and all you could see was his ear holes. so i just

wncwenw— was his ear holes. so i just thought that— was his ear holes. so i just thought that was just there was a thought that was just there was n-ewngen— thought that was just there was c-gwngen w— thought that was just there was c-gwngen w den-w- thought that was just there was a ginger. i don't know a flash of ginger. i don't know wnnw— a flash of ginger. i don't know wnnw c— a flash of ginger. i don't know wnnw c ginger-— a flash of ginger. i don't know what a ginger. yeah '”wi; a flash of ginger. i don't know what a ginger. yeah ' ”cl what a ginger. yeah are we nwwcwen— what a ginger. yeah are we allowed _that, - what a ginger. yeah are we allowed that, stephen? allowed to say that, stephen? probably bullying. probably not a form of bullying. so right? we've got so many people. right? we've got to move on, so many people. right? we've got we gwwe. — so many people. right? we've got to move on, guys. firstly, stormont, these two will be back. tell diane abbott back. don't tell diane abbott now. still to come, the bank of england's monetary policy committee announce its committee is set to announce its latest decision. latest interest rate decision. more come that in the next more to come on that in the next houn more to come on that in the next hour. we are gb news, britain's news oh, hello again. news channel. oh, hello again. it's aidan mcgivern with it's aidan mcgivern here with wow— it's aidan mcgivern here with wcw en— it's aidan mcgivern here with your cn wewe— it's aidan mcgivern here with your gb news forecast brought to it's aidan mcgivern here with yombys news forecast brought to it's aidan mcgivern here with yomby the ews forecast brought to it's aidan mcgivern here with yomby the ews f

across the uk, close average across the uk, close to average for across the uk, close to average new nne— across the uk, close to average for we nne— across the uk, close to average for the time of— across the uk, close to average for the time of year, mid to men— for the time of year, mid to nwgn ween— for the time of year, mid to high teens, generally, the ccwewen— high teens, generally, the showers-going. high teens, generally, the showers going into high teens, generally, the- showers-going into the showers continue going into the evening— showers continue going into the ewenwng new— showers continue going into the ewenwng new a— showers continue going into the evening for a few— showers continue going into the evening for a few hours , but evening for a few hours, but men— evening for a few hours, but wen-new— evening for a few hours, but then-dark they- evening for a few hours, but then dark they do then after dark they do eweenneew— then after dark they do disappear quite quickly. then it wwne— disappear quite quickly. then it wwne anew.— disappear quite quickly. then it turns drier. but— disappear quite quickly. then it turns drier. but also generally cwcwnwew— turns drier. but also generally cloudier with— turns drier. but also generally cloudier with some low cloud nnnwwng— cloudier with some low cloud nnnwwng fn— cloudier with some low cloud drifting in from _ cloudier with some low cloud drifting in from the east and neccnwne— drifting in from the east and becoming fairly— drifting in from the east and becoming fairly extensive west . becoming fairly extensive west. an nece— becoming fairly extensive west. an wwww— becoming fairly extensive west. an areas will avoid the cloud wan— an areas will avoid the cloud wan cone— an areas will avoid the cloud with some breaks and temperatures dipping into the ne— temperatures dipping into the we ewnewe— temperatures dipping into the mid single figures. but where ecc— mid single figures. but where gcw nne— mid single figures. but where we've got the low cloud, it's a grey— we've got the low cloud, it's a grey and— we've got the low cloud, it's a grey and cnwww— we've got the low cloud, it's a grey and chilly starts to fridav-_ grey and chilly starts to friday. some- grey and chilly starts to friday. some drizzle coming none— friday. some drizzle coming cwcng few— friday. some drizzle coming along for east— friday. some drizzle coming along for east anglia and the scum— along for east anglia and the scwwn ecew— along for east anglia and the south east for— along for east anglia and the south east for a— along for east anglia and the south east for a time along with a south east for a time along with c anf— south east for a time along with c and chn — south east for a time along with a wind from the— south east for a time along with a wind from the north sea that's going— a wind from the north sea that's going we— a wind from the north sea that's gene we make— a wind from the north sea that's gene we make fw— a wind from the north sea that's going to make it feel quite raw wnwcwen— going to make it feel quite raw wnwcwen nne— going to make it feel quite raw through the day.— going to make it feel quite raw through the day. i— going to make it feel quite raw through the day. i think quite disappointingly— through the day. i think quite disappointingly on the cool ewee,— disappointingly on the cool ewee, nne— disappointingly on the cool side, the low— disappointingly on the cool side, the low cloud the side, the low cloud covering the nuc— side, the low cloud covering the nus—ne— side, the low cloud covering the hills—as well. - side, the low cloud covering the hills—as well. and. hills in the east as well. and we— hills in the east as well. and fw-e-wc— hills in the east as well. and it's-to stick— hills in the east as well. and it's to stick around it's going to stick around wnwcwen— it's going to stick around through much- it's going to stick around through much of the afternoon. but through much of the afternoon. new fn— through much of the afternoon. new fn nne— through much of the afternoon. but in the west,— through much of the afternoon. but in the west, brighter skies newewcn— but in the west, brighter skies newewcn nne— but in the west, brighter skies develop and it's— but in the west, brighter skies develop and it's largely dry wan— with temperatures reaching the men— with temperatures reaching the wen-cone— with temperatures reaching the high-somelthe- high teens in some of the favoured— high teens in some of the favoured spots. - high teens in some of the favoured spots. now, keep favoured spots. now, we keep wncw— favoured spots. now, we keep wncw-cnwww- favoured spots. now, we keep that-sp“t going- favoured spots. now, we keep that split going into that east west split going into many— that east west split going into fncwcw wenc— that east west split going into friday night, and— that east west split going into friday night, and that's really new— friday night, and that's really new we— friday night, and that's really new we swan— friday night, and that's really how we start the _ friday night, and that's really how we start the weekend. a lot of how we start the weekend. a lot cn-cwcwn— how we start the weekend. a lot cn-cwcwn fn— how we start the weekend. a lot of-cloud in the— how we start the weekend. a lot of cloud in the east.

of low cloud in the east. cwenwew— of low cloud in the east. clearer spells- of low cloud in the east. clearer spells towards the north end— clearer spells towards the north and we — clearer spells towards the north and we ween— clearer spells towards the north and the west and— clearer spells towards the north and the west and plenty of cwnenwne— and the west and plenty of sunshine developing throughout scwwncw— sunshine developing throughout saturday. saturday's a mainly dry new— saturday. saturday's a mainly dry new, new— saturday. saturday's a mainly dry day, but with— saturday. saturday's a mainly dry day, but with that low cloud in dry day, but with that low cloud fn nne— dry day, but with that low cloud n we ensc— dry day, but with that low cloud in the east, there— dry day, but with that low cloud in the east, there will be some newcnw— in the east, there will be some newcnw enme— in the east, there will be some patchy drizzle, band of rain patchy drizzle, a band of rain anc— patchy drizzle, a band of rain nne-en—

sunday it's 1101 on wednesday the 11th of may. the point gb of may. this is the point on gb news with bev turner and andrew pierce another in the pierce another kick in the wallet interest wallet for homeowners interest rates to almost rates are going to almost certainly lunchtime. certainly rise this lunchtime. what mean for you and what does it mean for you and ncngegee— what does it mean for you and ncngegee-wc- what does it mean for you and ncngegee-wc 90- what does it mean for you and mortgages to go up mortgages are going to go up even more, i'm— mortgages are going to go up even more, i'm afraid. kemi nnnenccn— even more, i'm afraid. kemi nnnenccn fe— even more, i'm afraid. kemi badenoch is hall to the commons to about the to face questions about the government's on ditching government's u—turn on ditching eu after former cabinet eu laws after a former cabinet minister accuses the prime minister breaking his word . minister of breaking his word. but europe couldn't seem cwwcngew— but europe couldn't seem ewwcngew fn— but europe couldn't seem stronger in liverpool because of course eurovision _ stronger in liverpool because of course eurovision fans are there en . ww-e— course eurovision fans are there en masse . it's the— course eurovision fans are there en masse . it's the eurovision en masse. it's the eurovision concen— en masse. it's the eurovision contest. this— en masse. it's the eurovision contest. this weekend we're going— contest. this weekend we're gcwng—wwwn- contest. this weekend we're gcwng—wwwn al contest. this weekend we're. going—with a former going to catch up with a former we— going to catch up with a former winner to discuss— going to catch up with a former winner to discuss the of winner to discuss the impact of the winner to discuss the impact of we encwnwece— winner to discuss the impact of the showpiece event. all that to

winner to discuss the impact of the sion piece event. all that to winner to discuss the impact of the sion to ce event. all that to winner to discuss the impact of the sion to the vent. all that to winner to discuss the impact of the sion to the point all that to winner to discuss the impact of the sion to the point .ll that to winner to discuss the impact of the sion to the point . andat to winner to discuss the impact of the sion to the point . and i've come on to the point. and i've fuen— come on to the point. and i've fwew ween— come on to the point. and i've just been reading— come on to the point. and i've just been reading that zelenskyy was just been reading that zelenskyy saying— just been reading that zelenskyy eewwng wnnw— just been reading that zelenskyy was saying that the eurovision song— was saying that the eurovision song ccnweew— was saying that the eurovision song ccnweew .— was saying that the eurovision song contest , it— was saying that the eurovision song contest, it shouldn't be new— song contest, it shouldn't be new newe. — song contest, it shouldn't be held here. we've- song contest, it shouldn't be held here. �*vw�*wi : song contest, it shouldn't be held here. : w: held here. we've done quite a lot for you anyway. we'll be discussing that as well. let us know your thoughts. vaiews@gbnews.uk the email vaiews@gbnews.uk is the email address. first of all, here address. but first of all, here are headlines with are your news headlines with rhiannon jones. are your news headlines with rhiannon jones . bev thank you . rhiannon jones. bev thank you. good morning. it's 11:02. rhiannon jones. bev thank you. good morning. it's11:02. your t0p— good morning. it's11:02. your wen ewcnee— good morning. it's11:02. your new ewcnee fn— good morning. it's11:02. your top stories in the— good morning. it's11:02. your top stories in the gb newsroom . top stories in the gb newsroom. fne— top stories in the gb newsroom. fne fenc— top stories in the gb newsroom. fne nnnk cf— top stories in the gb newsroom. the bank of england's widely expecwee— the bank of england's widely expecwen we— the bank of england's widely expected to raise— the bank of england's widely expected to raise interest rates for expected to raise interest rates for n— expected to raise interest rates new a mn— expected to raise interest rates for a 12th consecutive time in ne— for a 12th consecutive time in we new— for a 12th consecutive time in the next hour— for a 12th consecutive time in the next hour as— for a 12th consecutive time in the next hour as it tries to wncwe— the next hour as it tries to tackle soaring— the next hour as it tries to tackle soaring inflation. economists— tackle soaring inflation. economists predict that the base newe— economists predict that the base wnwe wwww— economists predict that the base rate will increase— economists predict that the base rate will increase by a quarter of n— rate will increase by a quarter on c newcenwnge— rate will increase by a quarter of a percentage point from 4.25 to of a percentage point from 4.25 we we. — of a percentage point from 4.25 we we. we— of a percentage point from 4.25 to 4.5. the rise— of a percentage point from 4.25 to 4.5. the rise would take aneweew— to 4.5. the rise would take interest rates— to 4.5. the rise would take interest rates to - to 4.5. the rise would take interest rates to the highest wewew— interest rates to the highest wewew ence— interest rates to the highest level since 2008. the head of nnnncwcw— level since 2008. the head of financial analysis— level since 2008. the head of financial analysis at aj bell, nann—

financial analysis at aj bell, danni hewson— financial analysis at aj bell, danni hewson ,_ financial analysis at aj bell, danni hewson , says it's an danni hewson, says it's an fncwenwnw— danni hewson, says it's an incredibly worrying time for ncngnge— incredibly worrying time for mortgage holders, especially wncce— mortgage holders, especially wncee en— mortgage holders, especially those on the— mortgage holders, especially those on the standard variable newe— those on the standard variable we we— those on the standard variable rate they have— those on the standard variable rate they have seen thousands of pounds— rate they have seen thousands of pounds cf— rate they have seen thousands of pounds of additional costs piled unen— pounds of additional costs piled wncn wnen— pounds of additional costs piled upon wnen .— pounds of additional costs piled upon wnen . fne— pounds of additional costs piled upon them . the big question, of upon them. the big question, of wncwgn— upon them. the big question, of course though is— upon them. the big question, of course though is where does it go newe— course though is where does it go new and— course though is where does it go next? and certainly at the en— go next? and certainly at the moment markets— go next? and certainly at the moment markets are anticipating at moment markets are anticipating cw wenew— moment markets are anticipating cw wencw ne— moment markets are anticipating at least one more— moment markets are anticipating at least one more interest rate nce— at least one more interest rate we cf— at least one more interest rate me of nncww— at least one more interest rate hike of about a— at least one more interest rate hike of about a quarter of a% new— hike of about a quarter of a% but potentially— hike of about a quarter of a% but potentially interest rates going— but potentially interest rates gcwng cu— but potentially interest rates gcwng eww nne— but potentially interest rates going all the way to 5% towards the going all the way to 5% towards wne ewcnnew— going all the way to 5% towards the summer and— going all the way to 5% towards the summer and ahead of another nwenwcwen— the summer and ahead of another pwechwecf nee— the summer and ahead of another predicted rise in— the summer and ahead of another predicted rise in interest ween— predicted rise in interest rates. labour— predicted rise in interest rates. labour has accused rishi swnnk— rates. labour has accused rishi swnnk cf— rates. labour has accused rishi sunak of being— rates. labour has accused rishi sunak of being responsible pewecneww— sunak of being responsible personally responsible for what it's personally responsible for what we branded— personally responsible for what it's branded a— personally responsible for what it's branded a tory mortgage pennwww— it's branded a tory mortgage peneww .— it's branded a tory mortgage penalty . households have it's branded a tory mortgage penalty. households have paid ff— penalty. households have paid over £1 billion— penalty. households have paid over £1 billion in— penalty. households have paid over £1 billion in higher ncngcge— over £1 billion in higher mortgage payments since liz wees-e— mortgage payments since liz truss's mini—budget last year. fncw-e— truss's mini—budget last year. that's according— truss's mini—budget last year. that's according to labour's nncwewe— that's according to labour's nnewwewe cf— that's according to labour's analysis of research by the resolution— analysis of research by the resolution foundation think wank.— resolution foundation think wank. new— resolution foundation think tank. but the _ resolution foundation think tank. but the party claims the wane— tank. but the party claims the wane ewee— tank. but the party claims the blame also lies— tank. but the party claims the blame also lies with the prime anfewen— blame also lies with the prime anchen wnc— blame also lies with the prime minister, who they say left nnwnwn— minister, who they say left britain with _ minister, who they say left britain with a— minister, who they say left britain with a high tax burden wnen— britain with a high tax burden wnen ne— britain with a high tax burden wnen ne wee— britain with a high tax burden when he was chancellor according to consumer group,—

when he was chancellor according to consumer group, which almost wnwee— to consumer group, which almost wnwee ewenewc— to consumer group, which almost three quarters of— to consumer group, which almost three quarters of a— to consumer group, which almost three quarters of a million households— three quarters of a million households missed their rent or ncngeee— households missed their rent or mortgage payment last month , mortgage payment last month, new— mortgage payment last month, fceff eechee— mortgage payment last month, rail services run— mortgage payment last month, rail services run by operator fwenepennfne— rail services run by operator transpennine express are to be nwcwenw— transpennine express are to be nwcwenw wneew— transpennine express are to be brought under government concen— brought under government control. the— brought under government control. the transport secretary nee— control. the transport secretary has announced.— control. the transport secretary has announced. the decision fchcwe— has announced. the decision follows continuous cancellations. mark harper follows continuous— cancellations. mark harper says the cancellations. mark harper says we fen-e— cancellations. mark harper says the firm's contract— cancellations. mark harper says the firm's contract won't be exwene— the firm's contract won't be exwene new— the firm's contract won't be extend nor renewed. the nepennenw— extend nor renewed. the department of transport will fneweee— department of transport will instead take— department of transport will instead take over from may the zen — instead take over from may the men we— instead take over from may the 28th. the train— instead take over from may the 28th. the train operator, which covers northern— 28th. the train operator, which covers northern england and runs in covers northern england and runs fn pene— covers northern england and runs fn nene cf— covers northern england and runs in parts of scotland, saw 1 in 6 eechee— in parts of scotland, saw 1 in 6 services cancelled— in parts of scotland, saw 1 in 6 services cancelled in march and some news in the— services cancelled in march and some news in the last few nanwee— some news in the last few we .— some news in the last few minutes . the— some news in the last few minutes. the bbc has found there were no concerns— minutes. the bbc has found there were no concerns about richard snan-e— were no concerns about richard snewp-e aneenw— were no concerns about richard sharp's integrity while he was cnew— sharp's integrity while he was cneff cf— sharp's integrity while he was cneff cf wne— sharp's integrity while he was chair of the broadcaster . a bbc chair of the broadcaster. a bbc canfche— chair of the broadcaster. a bbc canfche en— chair of the broadcaster. a bbc conflicts of interest review was ccnnnfechnee— conflicts of interest review was commissioned following mr snan-c— commissioned following mr sharp's resignation from the concen— sharp's resignation from the ccnpenw wn— sharp's resignation from the company in april after he was fenne— company in april after he was fenne we— company in april after he was found to have— company in april after he was found to have breached the rules for found to have breached the rules for eunuc— found to have breached the rules for public appointments . us. the for public appointments. us. the ccnanwee— for public appointments. us. the committee confirmed it had no concerns in respect of the ceffcnen-en— concerns in respect of the chairman's integrity. while in

the chairman's integrity. while in we fewe— chairman's integrity. while in the role applied— chairman's integrity. while in the role applied camry have eppcwnwee— the role applied camry have appointed claire griffith as anenn— appointed claire griffith as interim leader.— appointed claire griffith as interim leader. it follows the feefenechn— interim leader. it follows the resignation of— interim leader. it follows the resignation of adam price last nfenw— resignation of adam price last nfenw ener— resignation of adam price last nwenw eref e— resignation of adam price last night after a report into the wewen— night after a report into the welsh nationalist party's cwwwwe— welsh nationalist party's culture for— welsh nationalist party's culture for the report found the party— culture for the report found the penw nee— culture for the report found the party had failed— culture for the report found the party had failed to implement a zero tolerance— party had failed to implement a zero tolerance approach to eewew— zero tolerance approach to sexual harassment, bullying and nwecewnw— sexual harassment, bullying and nwecgwnw .— sexual harassment, bullying and nwecgwnw . fne— sexual harassment, bullying and misogyny . the appointment will misogyny. the appointment will be misogyny. the appointment will ne sew-ecc— misogyny. the appointment will we cwnf-ecw we— misogyny. the appointment will be subject to ratification by wne— be subject to ratification by we penny-c— be subject to ratification by the party's national council on sewweew. — the party's national council on saturday. former— the party's national council on saturday. former us president ncnewe— saturday. former us president ncnewe trump— saturday. former us president donald trump says he'd pardon nenw— donald trump says he'd pardon many ewppcnewe— donald trump says he'd pardon many supporters for their involvement— many supporters for their involvement in the january sixth ceancf— involvement in the january sixth cepchw newc— involvement in the january sixth capitol riots if— involvement in the january sixth capitol riots if he— involvement in the january sixth capitol riots if he wins the new— capitol riots if he wins the next election.— capitol riots if he wins the next election. speaker at a cnn newn— next election. speaker at a cnn wcwn neu— next election. speaker at a cnn wcwn neff wn— next election. speaker at a cnn town hall in new— next election. speaker at a cnn town hall in new hampshire. he ewee— town hall in new hampshire. he ewee emcee— town hall in new hampshire. he also refused to— town hall in new hampshire. he also refused to acknowledge he ween— also refused to acknowledge he fccw wne— also refused to acknowledge he lost the 2020— also refused to acknowledge he lost the 2020 election. the eenete— lost the 2020 election. the eenete wee— lost the 2020 election. the debate was also- lost the 2020 election. the debate was also the first time nee— debate was also the first time new neen— debate was also the first time he'd been seen— debate was also the first time he'd been seen public since a jury— he'd been seen public since a jury fenne— he'd been seen public since a jury chne nfn — he'd been seen public since a jury found him guilty of eexweww— jury found him guilty of sexually assaulting e jean cencww— sexually assaulting e jean cencff fn— sexually assaulting e jean carroll in 19— sexually assaulting e jean carroll in 19 1990s. he continues— carroll in 19 1990s. he continues to- carroll in 19 1990s. he continues to deny ever meeting the continues to deny ever meeting we neeeane— continues to deny ever meeting the magazine writer. just so you wneewetene— the magazine writer. just so you wneewetene. — the magazine writer. just so you

understand . “3“ understand. ready? i never met this woman . i never saw this this woman. i never saw this woman . i have no this woman. i never saw this woman. i have no idea this woman. i never saw this woman . i have no idea who this woman. i never saw this woman. i have no idea who this woman. i have no idea who this woman. this is a fake story made up story. we had a horrible clinton appointed judge. he was horrid , awful. he allowed her to horrid, awful. he allowed her to put everything in. he allowed us to put nothing in. mr president, this is a fake painting. your version of events . the prime version of events. the prime anfetew— version of events. the prime minister has— version of events. the prime minister has angered- minister has angered conservative brexiteers by ecweppfne— conservative brexiteers by ecweppfne tne— conservative brexiteers by scrapping the government's pweeee— scrapping the government's pledge te— scrapping the government's pledge to remove thousands of eu fewe— pledge to remove thousands of eu fewe fw— pledge to remove thousands of eu fewe by we— pledge to remove thousands of eu wewe by we ene— pledge to remove thousands of eu laws by the end of— pledge to remove thousands of eu laws by the end of the year. nwaneee— laws by the end of the year. business secretary kemi badenoch eewe— business secretary kemi badenoch eewe onw— business secretary kemi badenoch eewe only coo— business secretary kemi badenoch says only 600 will— business secretary kemi badenoch says only 600 will now be revoked — says only 600 will now be revoked from _ says only 600 will now be revoked from the uk statute book fneceee— revoked from the uk statute book fneteee cf— revoked from the uk statute book need of we— revoked from the uk statute book instead of the proposed 4000. wencw-e— instead of the proposed 4000. labour's branded— instead of the proposed 4000. labour's branded the move a nwnfffenne— labour's branded the move a humiliating u—turn from a ewmee— humiliating u—turn from a divided government . but jacob divided government. but jacob wee—wee,— divided government. but jacob neee—fnceewnc— divided government. but jacob rees—mogg, who introduced the wenc— rees—mogg, who introduced the ewene, nee— rees—mogg, who introduced the plans, has accused rishi sunak of abandoning— plans, has accused rishi sunak of abandoning his— plans, has accused rishi sunak of abandoning his promise . of abandoning his promise. his wewe— of abandoning his promise. his words ene— of abandoning his promise. his words and his— of abandoning his promise. his words and his deeds— of abandoning his promise. his words and his deeds are- of abandoning his promise. his words and his deeds are not matching. that is a dangerous position for a prime minister to be in the 2019 manifesto that

people like me got elected on is not being followed. brexit that was meant to be safeguarded by this is now being blocked by remainers in the house of lords and weakness is coming from ministries . this seems to me to ministries. this seems to me to be a real blow to brexit, a problem for brexit not delivering on what we want and not giving us the fruits of deregulation that we voted for. the number of people in england wanne— the number of people in england wanne cc— the number of people in england waiting to start— the number of people in england waiting to start routine ncennew— waiting to start routine hospital treatment has risen to a new record high, according to wns— a new record high, according to wns fnefenct— a new record high, according to nhs england, an— a new record high, according to nhs england, an estimated 7.3 nffffcn— nhs england, an estimated 7.3 anchn pecpwe— nhs england, an estimated 7.3 million people were waiting to enn— million people were waiting to start treatment— million people were waiting to start treatment in march. that's up fren— start treatment in march. that's up chn 7.2— start treatment in march. that's up from 7.2 million in february. it's up from 7.2 million in february. ffe tne— up from 7.2 million in february. it's the highest— up from 7.2 million in february. it's the highest number since feccwee— it's the highest number since records began— it's the highest number since records began in— it's the highest number since records began in august. it's the highest number since records began in august . two records began in august. two cncweene— records began in august. two thousand and— records began in august. two thousand and seven, and canada has thousand and seven, and canada nee wnweffee— thousand and seven, and canada has unveiled its— thousand and seven, and canada has unveiled its new passport eeefen— has unveiled its new passport eeefen wnn— has unveiled its new passport design with more— has unveiled its new passport design with more security feewwee— design with more security features and— design with more security features and a— design with more security features and a nod to our newly cnee— features and a nod to our newly cnee king-— features and a nod to our newly crowned king. it's— features and a nod to our newly crowned king. it's the first peeepcn— crowned king. it's the first peeepcn fn— crowned king. it's the first passport in the— crowned king. it's the first passport in the commonwealth to nenncn— passport in the commonwealth to nenncn tne— passport in the commonwealth to mention the new— passport in the commonwealth to mention the new monarch. but the ccec— mention the new monarch. but the

ccet cf— mention the new monarch. but the ccet cf ewme— mention the new monarch. but the ccet cf n— mention the new monarch. but the coat of arms it displays is in nect— coat of arms it displays is in fect twe— coat of arms it displays is in fact the queen's— coat of arms it displays is in fact the queen's as the new version was created before king cnewwee— version was created before king charles approved— version was created before king charles approved it . this version was created before king charles approved it. this is gb wewe. — charles approved it. this is gb wewe. we-ff— charles approved it. this is gb news. we'll bring— charles approved it. this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it neppene.— news. we'll bring you more as it neppene. wew— news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now, though, it's back to happens. now, though, it's back we new— happens. now, though, it's back we new ene— happens. now, though, it's back we new ene .— to bev and. andrew |weu.— to bev and. andrew l well, the- to bev and. andrew . well, the bank. to bev and. andrewi i well, the bank of to bev and. andrew well, the bank of england is going interest rates, going to raise interest rates, we later this morning. it we think, later this morning. it is. and been you've been is. and you've been you've been eenfne— is. and you've been you've been eewane fn— is. and you've been you've been eewane fn wcwcn— and you've been you've been getting in touch about this, eon— getting in touch about this, ecn cn— getting in touch about this, sort of. deborah— getting in touch about this, sort of. deborah said in the sort of. deborah has said in the wee— sort of. deborah has said in the fete-ene— sort of. deborah has said in the fete-end eee— sort of. deborah has said in the late-and 90s,.had- late 80s and 90s, we had ncneeee— late 80s and 90s, we had mortgage payments up. it mortgage payments going up. it eeeee— mortgage payments going up. it eeemet—sc- seemed like monthly. so we wowed— seemed like monthly. so wei worked—possible. seemed like monthly. so we- worked_possible. we worked as much as possible. we did worked as much as possible. we cne—f— worked as much as possible. we cne—f enu— worked as much as possible. we did—i still have- did extra jobs. i still have fnenee— did extra jobs. i still have friends-were- did extra jobs. i still have friends were made homeless friends who were made homeless at friends who were made homeless et wne— friends who were made homeless et wne nne,— friends who were made homeless at the time, refused a council newee— at the time, refused a council house-considered- at the time, refused a council house considered have house and considered to have nonem— house and considered to have bought—and- house and considered to havei bought—and have bought it themselves and have been— been in rented accommodation ever never blamed ever since. they never blamed wne— ever since. they never blamed cne—twe- ever since. they never blamed cne—we nnel ever since. they never blamed. the _the time there the government at the time there was the government at the time there nc ewcnew— the government at the time there was no global pandemic or major wan-different— was no global pandemic or major war. different mindset. war. it's a different mindset. it war. it's a different mindset. fc fe— war. it's a different mindset. fc fe nw— war. it's a different mindset. fc fe ene— war. it's a different mindset. it is now and i— war. it's a different mindset. it is now and i can- war. it's a different mindset. it is now and i can remember when we came, when on the bank of england, norman lamont raised interest one interest rates 5 or 6% in one day. i was at the liberal

day. yes i was at the liberal democrat conference and the liberal democrats, of course, didn't debate the fact didn't bother to debate the fact interest rates went up 6. they were debated cruelty were debated animal cruelty instead. us. instead. it was cruel to us. journalists had journalists who were there had to to it. but how you to listen to it. but how do you remember that? ican to listen to it. but how do you remember that? i can never forget. oh, was that. oh that was back in 1998 or 19, 1992. it was back in 1998 or 19, 1992. it was a disaster. but people like me, when i took in lodgers . me, when i took in lodgers. yeah. because otherwise i had to give the keys back. that's right. give the keys back. that's ngnw. wew— give the keys back. that's right. well, david - g f that's right. well, david said person right. well, david said a person wne— right. well, david said a person wnc-tnwcwen— right. well, david said a person who through mortgage rates who lived through mortgage rates encwe— who lived through mortgage rates encwe-ewwewe— who lived through mortgage rates above always slightly above 10. i'm always slightly ewnweee— above 10. i'm always slightly amused-outcry- above 10. i'm always slightly amused outcry against amused at the outcry against cwwent— amused at the outcry against current rates— amused at the outcry against current rates .— amused at the outcry against current rates . and david, current rates. and david, enctnew— current rates. and david, another david - current rates. and david, another david said the onus is on another david said the onus is cn-ffnencfew— another david said the onus is on financial institutions to on the financial institutions to wet— on the financial institutions to ensure that mortgages only newwew— ensure that mortgages only borrow-much— ensure that mortgages only borrow.much as- ensure that mortgages only borrow much as they can borrow as much as they can enewe— borrow as much as they can enewe ene— borrow as much as they can afford and factor— borrow as much as they can afford and factor in potential fnteweet— afford and factor in potential interest rate _ afford and factor in potential interest rate rises. when i was young— interest rate rises. when i was younglthere_ interest rate rises. when i was younglthere wee— interest rate rises. when i was young there were clear controls young, there were clear controls on young, there were clear controls en newweane— young, there were clear controls on borrowing erg— young, there were clear controls on borrowing erg and too many eeeewe— on borrowing erg and too many eeeefe thought— on borrowing erg and too many people thought low interest people thought that low interest wetee— people thought that low interest rates were here— people thought that low interest rates were here forever and they just— rates were here forever and they twew eeewwnee— rates were here forever and they just assumed that's it. '“w: just assumed that's it. and of wnet— just assumed that's it. and of course what goes— just assumed that's it. and of course what goes down goes up. and actually albie we've got a borrow mindset now. we have a credit, a credit— borrow mindset now. we have a credit, a credit mindset- we have a credit, a credit mindset that went— credit, a credit mindset that eenw we— credit, a credit mindset that don't we, that's— credit, a credit mindset that don't we, that's sort of seats

in don't we, that's sort of seats fn twe— don't we, that's sort of seats fn wne feet— don't we, that's sort of seats in the last 20— don't we, that's sort of seats in the last 20 years. well, i brought— in the last 20 years. well, i was brought up.— in the last 20 years. well, i was brought up. i think you cenw— was brought up. i think you can't afford— was brought up. i think you can't afford it.— was brought up. i think you can't afford it. don't buy it. fnec-e— can't afford it. don't buy it. that's exactly— can't afford it. don't buy it. that's exactly how- can't afford it. don't buy it. that's exactly how we- can't afford it. don't buy it. that's exactly how we were brought up. but also i think the pandemic made it created an atmosphere of pleas from the government. absolutely furlough all financial schemes. all the financial schemes. totally. the government is there to totally. the government is there we pick— totally. the government is there we chk ne— totally. the government is there e chk me we— totally. the government is there to pick me up now— totally. the government is there to pick me up now ahead of the nenk— to pick me up now ahead of the bank—predicted- to pick me up now ahead of thei bank—predicted rate bank of england's predicted rate rise bank of england's predicted rate nee—te— bank of england's predicted rate nee—w ew— bank of england's predicted rate rise to our economics rise that speak to our economics ene— rise that speak to our economics ene-eenew— rise that speak to our economics and-editor liam - and business editor liam nerfeen— and business editor liam newaeen .— and business editor liam halligan . now, i'm hoping that halligan. now, i'm hoping that ern— halligan. now, i'm hoping that liam halligan— halligan. now, i'm hoping that liam halligan is— halligan. now, i'm hoping that liam halligan is down the line necee— liam halligan is down the line necee ne-e— liam halligan is down the line because he's not— liam halligan is down the line because he's not in the studio. on,— because he's not in the studio. on, ne— because he's not in the studio. on, we fe— because he's not in the studio. oh, he is down— because he's not in the studio. oh, he is down the— because he's not in the studio. oh, he is down the line. hello, wen.— oh, he is down the line. hello, ern. we— oh, he is down the line. hello, liam. we expected— oh, he is down the line. hello, liam. we expected you to walk through— liam. we expected you to walk through twe— liam. we expected you to walk through the door— liam. we expected you to walk through the door any minute. fw-e— through the door any minute. fw-e nwcn— through the door any minute. it's much nicer— through the door any minute. it's much nicer have you in it's much nicer to have you in weew— it's much nicer to have you in weef-wnewe— it's much nicer to have you in real-what's-on- it's much nicer to have you in. real-what's-on today real life. what's going on today wnn—weteee- real life. what's going on today with—rates? it's- real life. what's going on today with—rates? it's so. with the interest rates? it's so eeeweeane.— with the interest rates? it's so depressing. 12th— with the interest rates? it's so depressing. 12th increase in a . w— depressing. 12th increase in a . n ecee— depressing. 12th increase in a row . it does look— depressing. 12th increase in a row . it does look as if the bank row. it does look as if the bank of row. it does look as if the bank en fnewene— row. it does look as if the bank of england will— row. it does look as if the bank of england will raise interest wetee — of england will raise interest wetee we— of england will raise interest wetee as you— of england will raise interest rates. as you say,- of england will raise interest rates. as you say, bev, for the 12th time in a row, the building behind me, you've got the nine members of the monetary policy committee that set rates eight times a year .

committee that set rates eight times a year. if we just have a look at the history of interest rates over recent years, i've got a little graphic here. you'll that in 2019, 2020, you'll see that in 2019, 2020, before the covid lockdown, they got up to three quarters of 1, just below 1. then, of course, they were a quarter of 1% throughout lockdown , ultra throughout lockdown, ultra emergency, low levels since then, since the end of 2021, we've gone from a quarter of 1% up in steps. all the way to 4.25% as inflation, of course , 4.25% as inflation, of course, has rocketed to its current level of 10.1% in in march this yean level of 10.1% in in march this year, still in double digits . year, still in double digits. and it's because inflation was still in double digits in march. that was a bit of a shock. a lot of people expected it to fall down below 10. the cost of living squeeze still very much with us. that the bank of england is likely to put interest rates up again about interest rates up again in about 50 minutes time 4.5, the 50 minutes time to 4.5, the highest since 2008. and that kind of seems counterintuitive. why would they raise interest

rates even more when we're all being hammered with high shopping bills and bigger mortgage payments? it's because they want to squeeze demand out of the economy to stop prices rising . it's of the economy to stop prices rising. it's a very of the economy to stop prices rising . it's a very blunt rising. it's a very blunt instrument. it's a cruel instrument. it's a cruel instrument. it's a cruel instrument. it's called monetary policy. we've had an awful lot of interest rate rises and it looks as if we're going to get another one today. bev it probably is as well . liam, probably is as well. liam, you've talked— probably is as well. liam, you've talked about- liam, you've talked about inflation. fne— you've talked about inflation. fne wewet— you've talked about inflation. the worst impact— you've talked about inflation. the worst impact of inflation is on the worst impact of inflation is en tne— the worst impact of inflation is en tne eeeew— the worst impact of inflation is on the poorer families because it's particularly— on the poorer families because it's particularly difficult . it's particularly difficult. feet— it's particularly difficult. food inflation is still really, weetw— food inflation is still really, weetw high— food inflation is still really, weetw high .— food inflation is still really, weetw high . — food inflation is still really, really high . food inflation is still really, really high. ” g really high. that's right. andrew. inflation has been surprisingly sticky here in the uk. as i said , we're still in uk. as i said, we're still in double digits . we're going to double digits. we're going to get another inflation number for april out in the middle of next week when it's likely to fall below 10, probably even below 9. but food price inflation in march, andrew was still 19.1. higher priced food prices higher than in march 2022. with food

price inflation still rising. and that won't come as any surprise to people who do their daily and weekly shops. food price inflation is still high, but it's high across western europe. but across western europe. but across western europe. in the eurozone, for instance, inflation is now down below 7. it's below 5% in the us because there energy markets work differently to ours . the work differently to ours. the european energy markets are much more subsidised. the americans have got all that brand new shale oil and gas keeping their wholesale gas prices low . so we wholesale gas prices low. so we are still in the middle of this cost of living crisis. i think when the bank of england does raise interest rates almost certainly at the top the hour certainly at the top of the hour at it'll be all eyes then at noon, it'll be all eyes then on the bank of england. governor there'll be a press conference, which i'll go to and then which i'll go into to and then i'll back in the 1:00 hour i'll be back in the 1:00 hour with bank of england with the bank of england governor the governor talking about the future interest rates. future path of interest rates. is the last interest rate is this the last interest rate rise is going to or is rise and is there going to or is there going to be another one soon? it strikes me it really

depends on next week's inflation number. if inflation does fall strongly below double digits, below 9, so it's eight point something, then this interest rate rise that we're highly likely to get today could be the last one. look, a lot of savers like the fact that interest rates are going up and a lot of gb news viewers and listeners will be older people who are savers . but if you're a young savers. but if you're a young family, you've just bought a home and you're trying to weather huge mortgage . weather that huge mortgage. these rises are these interest rate rises are scary. and it brings me no pleasure to say that it's almost certain we will get another interest rate rise. andrew and bev at 12:00 today. okay. bev kyiv at 12:00 today. okay. thank you so much, liam. make sure you keep with gb- make sure you keep with gb news. tnewe— sure you keep with gb news. tnewe fe— sure you keep with gb news. tnewe fe ne— sure you keep with gb news. there is no safer— sure you keep with gb news. there is no safer pair of hands to there is no safer pair of hands te tett— there is no safer pair of hands te tett wew— there is no safer pair of hands to talk you through events like tne— to talk you through events like tnfe tnen— to talk you through events like this than the— to talk you through events like this than the great liam newffeen.— this than the great liam halligan. so— this than the great liam halligan. so make sure you stay wftn— halligan. so make sure you stay wftn we— halligan. so make sure you stay wftn we tew— halligan. so make sure you stay with us for the— halligan. so make sure you stay with us for the rest— halligan. so make sure you stay with us for the rest of the afternoon. _ with us for the rest of the afternoon. ' jig \wwi,www afternoon. absolutely. now, while we've been on air, the business secretary has been hauled the commons to explain hauled to the commons to explain the u—turn on the government u—turn on repealing a of tory repealing eu laws. a lot of tory backbenchers in particular are

deeply because prime deeply unhappy because the prime minister that would minister pledged that he would get 4000 of these eu get rid of 4000 of these eu regulations by end of the regulations by the end of the yeah regulations by the end of the year. speaker sir lindsay year. the speaker sir lindsay hall, ranted and raved frankly at the business secretary kemi badenoch . let's have a listen to badenoch. let's have a listen to what he had to say. well, we begin what he had to say. well, we teetn tne— what he had to say. well, we begin the urgent— “ec well, we begin the urgent question, and i nete— begin the urgent question, and i nete tnet— begin the urgent question, and i nete tnet ft— begin the urgent question, and i note that it is— begin the urgent question, and i note that it is highly regrettable- note that it is highly regrettable that the government eecteee— regrettable that the government eecteee net— regrettable that the government decided not to— regrettable that the government decided not to offer an oral etetenent— decided not to offer an oral statement on— decided not to offer an oral statement on this matter weeteweew— statement on this matter weeteweew .— statement on this matter yesterday , given the importance yesterday, given the importance of yesterday, given the importance et tnte— yesterday, given the importance of this announcement on such nettewe— of this announcement on such nettewe tett— of this announcement on such matters, full engagement with fewttenent— matters, full engagement with parliament and— matters, full engagement with parliament and its committees is eeeentfet— parliament and its committees is essential. before— parliament and its committees is essential. before i— parliament and its committees is essential. before i call the cner,— essential. before i call the cner, f— essential. before i call the chair, i will— essential. before i call the chair, i will remind the government— chair, i will remind the government that we are elected to government that we are elected te neen— government that we are elected te neew ft— government that we are elected to hear it first,— government that we are elected to hear it first, not— government that we are elected to hear it first, not to read it in to hear it first, not to read it fn tne— to hear it first, not to read it in the telegraph— to hear it first, not to read it in the telegraph and certainly not in the telegraph and certainly net e— in the telegraph and certainly net e w— in the telegraph and certainly net e w e— in the telegraph and certainly not a w mess is— in the telegraph and certainly not a w mess is satisfied tectew— not a w mess is satisfied tectew en— not a w mess is satisfied factory on such- not a w mess is satisfied factory on such an important nettew— factory on such an important matter. hence— factory on such an important matter. hence that i would etwewe— matter. hence that i would etwewe eew— matter. hence that i would etwewe eew wn— matter. hence that i would always say i'm now going to call the always say i'm now going to call tne cnetw— always say i'm now going to call tne cner et— always say i'm now going to call the chair of the— always say i'm now going to call the chair of the european scwwttnw— the chair of the european scrutiny committee to ask the wweent— scrutiny committee to ask the urgent question _ scrutiny committee to ask the urgent question .— scrutiny committee to ask the urgent question . sir william urgent question. sir william ceen— urgent question. sir william ceen .— urgent question. sir william ceen , ewen— urgent question. sir william cash , given speaker will the cash, given speaker will the secwetew— cash, given speaker will the secweteww et— cash, given speaker will the secretary of state make a

etetenent— secretary of state make a statement regarding the question of statement regarding the question et new— statement regarding the question et new tettewe— statement regarding the question of her failure to— statement regarding the question of her failure to come to the newee— of her failure to come to the house before— of her failure to come to the house before she— of her failure to come to the house before she made the wntten— house before she made the written ministerial statement ene— written ministerial statement ene tne— written ministerial statement ene tne eweee— written ministerial statement and the press article today in tne— and the press article today in tne netw— and the press article today in the daily telegraph ? the daily telegraph? thank you. mr the daily telegraph? thank you. fww twent— the daily telegraph? thank you. mr thank you, mr speaker. i'm very sorry that the sequencing that we chose was not to your satisfaction . i was . order! satisfaction. iwas. order! order! order— satisfaction. iwas. order! order! order order- satisfaction. iwas. order! order! order order !- f“ order! order! order order ! that is order! order order! that is tetetw— order! order order! that is tetetw net— order! order order! that is totally not acceptable . not totally not acceptable. not went. — totally not acceptable. not right. procedure ”cl totally not acceptable. not right. procedure ' ”c: “g right. procedure are you talking to. who do you think you're speaking to? secretary of state . i speaking to? secretary of state . f ten-t— speaking to? secretary of state . f een-t went.— speaking to? secretary of state . i don't want. i— speaking to? secretary of state . i don't want. i think- “g wiw7 secretary of state . i don't want. i think we need to understand— . i don't want. i think we need to understand each other. i am the to understand each other. i am tne eeteneew— to understand each other. i am the defender of— to understand each other. i am the defender of this house and tneee— the defender of this house and these benches— the defender of this house and these benches on— the defender of this house and these benches on both sides. i en— these benches on both sides. i en net— these benches on both sides. i en net going— these benches on both sides. i en net going te— these benches on both sides. i am not going to be spoken to by am not going to be spoken to by esecwetew— am not going to be spoken to by e secweteww et— am not going to be spoken to by a secretary of state— am not going to be spoken to by a secretary of state who is eteetwtew— a secretary of state who is absolutely not _ a secretary of state who is absolutely not accepting my wetne— absolutely not accepting my wettne .— absolutely not accepting my ruling . fete— absolutely not accepting my ruling . take it— absolutely not accepting my ruling . take it with good grace ruling. take it with good grace ene— ruling. take it with good grace ene ecceet— ruling. take it with good grace ene ecceet ft.— ruling. take it with good grace and accept it. that members enewte— and accept it. that members enewte neen— and accept it. that members should hear it— and accept it. that members should hear it first, not a mess or should hear it first, not a mess ew wnet— should hear it first, not a mess ew wnet wew— should hear it first, not a mess or what you decide _ should hear it first, not a mess or what you decide . and these

or what you decide. and these wnennewet— or what you decide. and these members have— or what you decide. and these members have been elected by tnetw— members have been elected by their constituents— members have been elected by their constituents and they have their constituents and they have tne went— their constituents and they have tne went te— their constituents and they have the right to hear— their constituents and they have the right to hear it— their constituents and they have the right to hear it first. and it the right to hear it first. and ft fe— the right to hear it first. and ft fe tne— the right to hear it first. and it is time this— the right to hear it first. and it is time this government weceenteee— it is time this government recognised we're all elected, ett— recognised we're all elected, we're all members of parliament and we're all members of parliament ene eeet— we're all members of parliament ene weee tne— we're all members of parliament and used the correct manners . and used the correct manners. secwetew— and used the correct manners. secweteww et— and used the correct manners. secretary of state— and used the correct manners. secretary of state well, that aneeew— secretary of state well, that was lindsay hill— secretary of state well, that was lindsay hill really laying the was lindsay hill really laying tne tew— was lindsay hill really laying the law down— was lindsay hill really laying the law down and speakers. wetntne— the law down and speakers. nothing annoys— the law down and speakers. nothing annoys the- the law down and speakers. nothing annoys the speaker more than when a major piece of political legislation or announcement is leaked to a newspaper or a broadcaster and it's not revealed. is that why he was so cross? that's what he's getting at there. he thinks there should have been a statement in the commons yesterday by kemi badenoch because broken in because this story had broken in a yesterday. right. a newspaper yesterday. right. and that's what this has and that's what and this has been problem for governments been a problem for governments of political persuasions and of all political persuasions and speakers . he really speakers get there. he really got his back in a box, didn't he? well, let's get a reaction twen— he? well, let's get a reaction twen eew— he? well, let's get a reaction from our deputy— “wi7 well, let's get a reaction from our deputy political eewew,— from our deputy political editor, tom _ from our deputy political editor, tom harwood. fireworks twee,— editor, tom harwood. fireworks tnewe, fen,— editor, tom harwood. fireworks tnewe, fen, tn— editor, tom harwood. fireworks there, tom, in the— editor, tom harwood. fireworks there, tom, in the house of commons, sir,— there, tom, in the house of commons, sir, lindsay hoyle was not commons, sir, lindsay hoyle was net neeew— commons, sir, lindsay hoyle was net happy eeewt— commons, sir, lindsay hoyle was not happy about that. neither etu— not happy about that. neither was bill cash. _ not happy about that. neither was bill cash. hence the eweetten— was bill cash. hence the question, just— was bill cash. hence the question, just remind us why ne-e— question, just remind us why we eettne— question, just remind us why he's asking this— question, just remind us why he's asking this question today

. wee.— he's asking this question today . yes, absolutely.— he's asking this question today . yes, absolutely. i- he's asking this question today . yes, absolutely. i was- he's asking this question today . yes, absolutely. i was up there in the press gallery for that back and forth, and it was a really quite dramatic moment. you could really feel the mood in the chamber shift because kemi badenoch had already been on the back foot here. she was coming to answer an urgent question that the speaker had granted from the chair of the european scrutiny committee, bill cash , not only about this bill cash, not only about this issue of the u—turn, but the fact that parliament has been so delayed in being informed of this. a written ministerial statement was laid before the house at around 3:10 yesterday, but no minister came to the dispatch box to explain that decision . mps were not able to decision. mps were not able to question the secretary of state and bill cash. later in this exchange said that he had ianed exchange said that he had invited kemi badenoch three times to appear before the european scrutiny committee to explain her thinking on this legislation. and she had three times refused to appear before

that committee . so there was that committee. so there was some real frustration there. kemi badenoch for her part , was kemi badenoch for her part, was saying until the policy was settled , she couldn't appear settled, she couldn't appear before that committee. but the way in which she responded to the speaker and the way in which she responded to some other of those mps who stood up in the house commons was seen by house of commons was seen by some a little bit some to be a little bit condescending ending and not condescending ending and did not set the mood in a very ameliorating way. i suppose for these exchanges. indeed at one point the secretary of state said that if she was upsetting both the labour party and the european research group, she must be doing something right. she must be taking a pragmatic and middle path . well, many and middle path. well, many people who followed the career of kemi badenoch will have thought that that's not particularly her brand, that the pragmatic middle path is not exactly what people might have expected . and from the secretary expected. and from the secretary of state for business and trade, she is someone who has been seen

to be on the brexiteer wing right. of the party. and yet today she from that despatch box, she was revelling in having upset the erg . that is something upset the erg. that is something that may well damage her potential leadership hopes in any future election . erg tom any future election. erg tom harwood very interesting. of course, the european research ceen— course, the european research groupw tnew— course, the european research groupw tnew ee— course, the european research group, they are the spartans of the group, they are the spartans of tne newt— group, they are the spartans of the brexit movement and kemi neeenecn— the brexit movement and kemi neeenecn ee— the brexit movement and kemi badenoch, as tom _ the brexit movement and kemi badenoch, as tom says, has been ee e twtwwe— badenoch, as tom says, has been seen as a future tory— badenoch, as tom says, has been seen as a future tory leader. fen— seen as a future tory leader. fen twent— seen as a future tory leader. tom thank you— seen as a future tory leader. tom thank you very much. now etu— tom thank you very much. now etftt te— tom thank you very much. now etftt te cee— tom thank you very much. now still to come, there's a lot of engen— still to come, there's a lot of anger over the— still to come, there's a lot of anger over the role of bishops in anger over the role of bishops fn tne— anger over the role of bishops fn tnfe big— anger over the role of bishops in this big debate about the government's— in this big debate about the government's the boats government's stop the boats eettcw— government's stop the boats eewtcw net— government's stop the boats policy, not least— government's stop the boats policy, not least led by the wwcnttenee— policy, not least led by the archbishop of— policy, not least led by the archbishop of canterbury. we're going— archbishop of canterbury. we're eetnelte—te- archbishop of canterbury. we're eetnelte—telwewi going to be speaking to a very eemete—— going to be speaking to a very senior—is rather- senior cleric who is rather fwntetee — senior cleric who is rather fwntetee tw— senior cleric who is rather irritated by by— senior cleric who is rather irritated by by the role of as nwcn— irritated by by the role of as nwcn ee— irritated by by the role of as nwcn ee wew- — irritated by by the role of as much as you. i— irritated by by the role of as much as you. i bet. / of much as you. i bet. yeah. of ntenee— much as you. i bet. yeah. of bishop archbishop— much as you. i bet. / of bishop archbishop welby, in tect— bishop archbishop welby, in tect, tne — bishop archbishop welby, in fact, the late— bishop archbishop welby, in fact, the late queen's chaplain, no fact, the late queen's chaplain, ne teee—

conversation. join me monday to thursday at 8 pm. on gb news. britain's news . thursday at 8 pm. on gb news. britain's news. channel thursday at 8 pm. on gb news. britain's news . channel 1123 or britain's news. channel 1123 or with andrew pierce and bev turner on gb news. this is to

the turner on gb news. this is to tne fant — turner on gb news. this is to the point so ministers have clashed with the archbishop of canterbury after he attacked the government's illegal migration bill as being morally unacceptable. bill, honestly, new— unacceptable. bill, honestly, new-feettn- unacceptable. bill, honestly, how-justin welby. unacceptable. bill, honestly,- how-justin welby said how dare he? justin welby said the legislation— how dare he? justin welby said the legislation too many the legislation had too many ewettene— the legislation had too many eweetene—ene the legislation had too many. problems—and he problems for one speech and he eewe— problems for one speech and he eewe-eetne— problems for one speech and he eewe-eetne te— problems for one speech and he says going to damage says it's going to damage the wnftee— says it's going to damage the united kingdom's standing in the wewe.— united kingdom's standing in the wewe-_te— united kingdom's standing in the wewte.—te-newi world. we're going to speak now to world. we're going to speak now te-tewnew— world. we're going to speak now to-former chaplain,- world. we're going to speak now to former chaplain, to the to the former chaplain, to the tete— to the former chaplain, to the late-elizabeth- to the former chaplain, to the late-elizabeth ii- to the former chaplain, to the late elizabeth ii gavin late queen elizabeth ii gavin wenten— late queen elizabeth ii gavin wenten .— late queen elizabeth ii gavin wenten , wne— late queen elizabeth ii gavin ashton , who joins now. gavin ashton, who joins us now. gavin enewten-t— ashton, who joins us now. gavin enewten-t ne— ashton, who joins us now. gavin shouldn't he stick— ashton, who joins us now. gavin shouldn't he stick his preaching , teee— shouldn't he stick his preaching , teee nte— shouldn't he stick his preaching , keep his preaching to the eetett— , keep his preaching to the ewtett tn— , keep his preaching to the ewtett fn tn— , keep his preaching to the pulpit in in the— , keep his preaching to the pulpit in in the church rather tnen— pulpit in in the church rather tnen tn— pulpit in in the church rather tnen fn tne— pulpit in in the church rather than in the house of lords ? than in the house of lords? i'm ewete— than in the house of lords? i'm etwete ne— than in the house of lords? i'm afraid he should— than in the house of lords? i'm afraid he should .— than in the house of lords? i'm afraid he should . the- than in the house of lords? i'm afraid he should . the problem afraid he should. the problem was he wasn't preaching in the house of lords, so he was giving a political speech . and given a political speech. and given the a political speech. and given tne feneweee— a political speech. and given the language and— a political speech. and given the language and the- e wti t and given the language and the values e wt? t and given the language and the values of the language and the values of tne centent— the language and the values of the content of— the language and the values of the content of the— the language and the values of the content of the speech, it was a progressive speech from the was a progressive speech from tne eetfthet— was a progressive speech from the political left— was a progressive speech from the political left and the ewetten — the political left and the problem with— the political left and the problem with doing that as an ewcnttenee— problem with doing that as an ewcnttenee fe— problem with doing that as an archbishop is that you're an archbishop is that if you're an ewcnttenee,— archbishop is that if you're an archbishop,-have- archbishop is that if you're an archbishop, have responsible archbishop, you have responsible eettee— archbishop, you have responsible ethee—tew- duties for pastoral care, for ecttne— duties for pastoral care, for ecttne ee— duties for pastoral care, for ectfne ee e— duties for pastoral care, for acting as a bridge between eeeete— acting as a bridge between eeeete ene— acting as a bridge between people and god for people across the people and god for people across tne wnete— people and god for people across the whole political— people and god for people across the whole political spectrum. if the whole political spectrum. ft vou— the whole political spectrum. ft you begin— the whole political spectrum. ft you begin te— the whole political spectrum. if you begin to identify- the whole political spectrum. if you begin to identify with one part of that political spectrum, you can't act as an

archbishop. pastorally for people who disagree with you politically. it's a cardinal area. it's kind of rule 101 for being a priest or a bishop. and he's broken it rather, rather catastrophically. there's he's broken it rather, rather catastrophically . there's even catastrophically. there's even talk, catastrophically. there's even all, cewn— catastrophically. there's even talk, gavin, that— catastrophically. there's even talk, gavin, that he- t twig there's even talk, gavin, that he might table an amendment— talk, gavin, that he might table an amendment to— talk, gavin, that he might table an amendment to this bill as it ecee— an amendment to this bill as it eeee tnwewen— an amendment to this bill as it goes through the _ an amendment to this bill as it goes through the committee stage of goes through the committee stage et tne— goes through the committee stage et tne newee— goes through the committee stage of the house of— goes through the committee stage of the house of lords, which wewe— of the house of lords, which wewe te— of the house of lords, which would be unprecedented for the teeeew— would be unprecedented for the teeeew et— would be unprecedented for the teeeew et tne— would be unprecedented for the leader of the anglican church to do leader of the anglican church to we tnet. — leader of the anglican church to we tnet. wett— leader of the anglican church to do that. well the— leader of the anglican church to do that. well the trouble is ne-e— do that. well the trouble is we nete— do that. well the trouble is we nete e— do that. well the trouble is he's made a really serious ceteeew— he's made a really serious ceteeew ewwew— he's made a really serious category error and he doesn't be ette— category error and he doesn't be ette te— category error and he doesn't be ette te eee— category error and he doesn't be able to seem to— category error and he doesn't be able to seem to see— category error and he doesn't be able to seem to see past it. tne— able to seem to see past it. the problem— able to seem to see past it. the problem is,— able to seem to see past it. the problem is, of- able to seem to see past it. the problem is, of course there are moral issues in immigration. they're really quite complex and they defeat most of us, most of us start with the presupposition that either we like borders and we like our national motty we we like our national motty or we don't and we don't don't like borders and we don't like our nationality. but it's not obvious moral not obvious what the moral values or universal moral values or the universal moral values or the universal moral values are , though of us try values are, though all of us try and it out. but the and work it out. but the archbishop doesn't have a particularly mature ethical understanding of these issues. he's using political values. and the problem is it's completely

inconsistent with his position. if he does table them an amendment, he's acting as a politician, not as an archbishop. and probably he ought to resign as an archbishop and election in the and stand for election in the house of commons. can i just press you house of commons. can i just eweee you en— house of commons. can i just press you on that— house of commons. can i just press you on that a— can i just press you on that a little bit? wnen— press you on that a little bit? wnen wew— press you on that a little bit? wnen you eew— press you on that a little bit? when you say he— press you on that a little bit? when you say he doesn't have a nete— when you say he doesn't have a mature understanding of this, wnet— mature understanding of this, wnet ee— mature understanding of this, wnet ee wew— mature understanding of this, what do you mean by that? well in what do you mean by that? well fn tne— what do you mean by that? well in the debates— what do you mean by that? well in the debates that you have on gb in the debates that you have on en wewe— in the debates that you have on cn wewe, wee-tt— in the debates that you have on gb news, you'll have people eweeenttne— gb news, you'll have people presenting-two- presenting you with two etttewent— presenting you with two different ethical views about the different ethical views about tne—ewettenl different ethical views about tne—wetten. | different ethical views about. the—problem. one the immigration problem. one eemee-tne— the immigration problem. one comes-the left- the immigration problem. one comes-the left and- the immigration problem. one comes-the left and one. comes from the left and one comes from the left and one comes from the right. it's a matter of common to matter of common sense to realise if it was obvious realise that if it was obvious that there was some form of absolute or if you like, overwhelming moral all solution to this , we would have come up to this, we would have come up with it as a as a political community. the fact is there isn't one. if you choose one, if you choose one route, you get you choose one route, you get you get certain results. if you choose another route , you get choose another route, you get different results. it's not obvious that either are morally or ethically superior . brazier. or ethically superior. brazier. but archbishop , he's claiming but as archbishop, he's claiming that he knows that one way is

ethically superior . and frankly, ethically superior. and frankly, i think that's naive . he also, i think that's naive. he also, gavin , came up— i think that's naive. he also, gavin , came up with- i think that's naive. he also, gavin , came up with no- gavin, came up with no alternative— gavin, came up with no alternative plan. he says, of course we've got— alternative plan. he says, of course we've got to stop people cweeetne— course we've got to stop people cweeetne tne— course we've got to stop people crossing the channel but didn't newe— crossing the channel but didn't newe e— crossing the channel but didn't newe e etnete— crossing the channel but didn't have a single practical solution ene— have a single practical solution ene weeeee— have a single practical solution ene weeeee wte— have a single practical solution and wagged his finger at the eewewnnent— and wagged his finger at the government and— and wagged his finger at the government and used words like anewet— government and used words like immoral, which— government and used words like immoral, which is— government and used words like immoral, which is a very strong wewe— immoral, which is a very strong wewe ene— immoral, which is a very strong wewe ene wew— immoral, which is a very strong word and very strong criticism of word and very strong criticism et e— word and very strong criticism et e eettcw— word and very strong criticism et e eefch . — word and very strong criticism of a policy . well,- word and very strong criticism of a policy . �*vw�*will of a policy. well, i'm sorry, i think that's one of the reasons why he is abusing his position. and i understand that a number of news outlets have asked him what his upper level for immigration would be, which is a perfectly proper question one should ask the political left all the time. and the answer is they don't give you one because they don't give you one because they they, they they well, for a whole series of reasons, they don't one. but without don't give you one. but without giving it's very giving you one, it's very difficult to seriously difficult to take this seriously as a political project because it suggests open border it just suggests open border immigration, which the consequence of which are very serious. but for archbishop serious. but for the archbishop to well removes from

to do that as well removes from him any claims to to some be speaking with a christian voice for the christian community operating christian ethics. but that's not what he's doing. so for you in a way then, gavin , for you in a way then, gavin, this is a this is a nuanced debate. and this is a this is a nuanced debate . and by wading in like debate. and by wading in like tne— debate. and by wading in like tnfe .— debate. and by wading in like tnfe , wetn— debate. and by wading in like this , justin welby— : and by wading in like this , justin welby is this, justin welby is entrenching people further to nne— entrenching people further to find division— entrenching people further to find division in— entrenching people further to find division in this rather tnen— find division in this rather than reasons— find division in this rather than reasons to come together. tnet-e— than reasons to come together. tnet-e newt— than reasons to come together. tnet-e newt et— than reasons to come together. that's part of your— than reasons to come together. that's part of your frustration on that's part of your frustration en us— that's part of your frustration en us neen— that's part of your frustration en us .— that's part of your frustration on us mean , put— that's part of your frustration on us mean , put put simply, he on us mean, put put simply, he ne-e— on us mean, put put simply, he ne-e tetet— on us mean, put put simply, he he's failed to— on us mean, put put simply, he he's failed to understand the ttmtte— he's failed to understand the tfnfte .— he's failed to understand the tfnfte , tne— he's failed to understand the limits , the barriers between the limits, the barriers between the eetntwet— limits, the barriers between the eantwef ene— limits, the barriers between the spiritual and the— limits, the barriers between the spiritual and the political. ttte— spiritual and the political. the fe— spiritual and the political. the fe net— spiritual and the political. this is not because- spiritual and the political. this is not because it's to easy always to know where they lie , always to know where they lie, but he has a responsibility to make some sense of it. because as i say , if there was as i say, if there was a christian view of this, then then if you like christians all over the world would be speaking with one voice. and the very fact that there isn't a single united , ethical christian voice united, ethical christian voice ought to give him pause to thought that what he's doing is

playing politics. yes. and not, in fact interpreting christianity for people . you christianity for people. you were the former w?“ you were the former chaplain to the tete— were the former chaplain to the fete eween— were the former chaplain to the late queen elizabeth ii, and he eent— late queen elizabeth ii, and he eent ne-e— late queen elizabeth ii, and he wasn't. he's always been controversial— wasn't. he's always been controversial ,- wasn't. he's always been controversial , justin welby, but controversial, justin welby, but he controversial, justin welby, but we eent— controversial, justin welby, but he wasn't feeling— controversial, justin welby, but he wasn't feeling quite as eneewewee— he wasn't feeling quite as empowered to— he wasn't feeling quite as empowered to make these statements _ empowered to make these statements when the late queen was statements when the late queen ewwe— statements when the late queen etwe. fe— statements when the late queen was alive. is it— statements when the late queen was alive. is it a— statements when the late queen was alive. is it a coincidence tnet— was alive. is it a coincidence tnet ne— was alive. is it a coincidence we we new— was alive. is it a coincidence that he now feels— was alive. is it a coincidence that he now feels that he can? wett— that he now feels that he can? weu. ne— that he now feels that he can? weu. we new— that he now feels that he can? well, he may feel— that he now feels that he can? well, he may feel buoyed- that he now feels that he can? well, he may feel buoyed up by the success of the coronation as a public event and perhaps he's entitled to do that. i think everyone who took part is entitled to feel very proud of themselves. but but presenting a successful , dramatic act for the successful, dramatic act for the nafion successful, dramatic act for the nation should not be confused with providing powers of analysis . with providing powers of analysis. this and ethical maturity that so far he's not showed any signs of possessing. so if he is conflating one with the other, it would be it would be adding one mistake to another. if! be adding one mistake to another. if i could ask you just went,— another. if i could ask you just new ne-e— another. if i could ask you just briefly, he's one— another. if i could ask you just briefly, he's one of— another. if i could ask you just briefly, he's one of 26- if i could ask you just briefly, he's one of 26 bishops in briefly, he's one of 26 bishops fn tne— briefly, he's one of 26 bishops fn tne newee— briefly, he's one of 26 bishops in the house of— briefly, he's one of 26 bishops in the house of lords. is it an etwee— in the house of lords. is it an etwee tn— in the house of lords. is it an etwee fn ene— in the house of lords. is it an abuse in one sense, gavin, for nn— abuse in one sense, gavin, for nfn te— abuse in one sense, gavin, for nfn te eeeet— abuse in one sense, gavin, for him to speak out—

abuse in one sense, gavin, for him to speak out in this way wnen— him to speak out in this way wnen tne— him to speak out in this way when the catholic cardinal, for netece — when the catholic cardinal, for netece nee— when the catholic cardinal, for instance, has no— when the catholic cardinal, for instance, has no seat in the newee— instance, has no seat in the newee et— instance, has no seat in the house of lords— instance, has no seat in the house of lords ? “wit; e house of lords? yes, i think it probably is. i mean, we all agree that politics evolve and our compromises our political compromises evolve. the fact that the anglican church under represented as it is , has these represented as it is, has these seats in the house of lords is now an anachronism. and i think it's not just because the catholics don't, but the fact that none of the religious communities do . i think it's communities do. i think it's probably time to revisit this. but the fact is to revisit the anglican church's privileged political position would take up so much parliamentary time and debate that that it isn't going to happen . well, in which case to happen. well, in which case it's all the more encumber upon the bishops and archbishops. there to be careful about how they use and abuse their position. and i'm afraid in this highly charged political context that i think the archbishop has fallen into abusing his position .okay. thank fallen into abusing his position . okay. thank you so much. fennew— . okay. thank you so much. former chaplain— . okay. thank you so much. former chaplain to- thank you so much. former chaplain to the late eween— former chaplain to the late queen elizabeth. second, gavin weneneen— queen elizabeth. second, gavin ashenden, -strong - queen elizabeth. second, gavin ashenden, strong i'd say ashenden, very strong i'd say ne-e— ashenden, very strong i'd say he's even crosser_ ashenden, very strong i'd say he's even crosser than me . what he's even crosser than me. what a he's even crosser than me. what e tewew—

he's even crosser than me. what e fewew men— he's even crosser than me. what ewewew nnen. — he's even crosser than me. what a lovely man . very— he's even crosser than me. what a lovely man . «cg ’“ wt.wi; he's even crosser than me. what a lovely man . «cg ’“ wt.wi it?“ a lovely man. very nice man. wew— a lovely man. very nice man. wen knew— a lovely man. very nice man. wen tnew ne— a lovely man. very nice man. you know he makes— a lovely man. very nice man. you know he makes the- a lovely man. «cg ’“ wt.wi it?“ you know he makes the point it is you know he makes the point it fe en— you know he makes the point it fe en etwee— you know he makes the point it fe en etwee te— you know he makes the point it is an abuse to hear— you know he makes the point it is an abuse to hear somebody ttte— is an abuse to hear somebody ffte tnet— is an abuse to hear somebody we we ee— is an abuse to hear somebody like that so articulate to talk etcet— like that so articulate to talk etewt tne — like that so articulate to talk about the fact— like that so articulate to talk about the fact that this is ttwwtne— about the fact that this is blurring the— about the fact that this is blurring the lines between eantwefftw— blurring the lines between spirituality, and spirituality, morality and eewfthe. — spirituality, morality and politics. that- spirituality, morality and politics. : spirituality, morality and- politics. that just summed that conversation that summed up this issue than issue for me better than anything i've heard elsewhere. and was an overt political anything i've heard elsewhere. and on; an overt political anything i've heard elsewhere. and on the overt political anything i've heard elsewhere. and on the governmental anything i've heard elsewhere. and on the government ,l anything i've heard elsewhere. and on the government, and attack on the government, and that's his role. and i think that's not his role. and i think wen-we— that's not his role. and i think wen-we went— that's not his role. and i think you're right about— that's not his role. and i think you're right about it.- that's not his role. and i think you're right about it. i- i“ and i think you're right about it. i think ne-e— you're right about it. i think we ne— you're right about it. i think he's he there— you're right about it. i think he's he there .far- you're right about it. i think he's he there far too much he's he there was far too much welby— he's he there was far too much wettw fn— he's he there was far too much wewww fn tne— he's he there was far too much welby in the coronation in my wew— welby in the coronation in my enwwew— welby in the coronation in my view, anyway. but— welby in the coronation in my view, anyway. but we he view, anyway. but we know he has a view, anyway. but we know he has e wew— view, anyway. but we know he has a very-relationship- view, anyway. but we know he has a very relationship with a very good relationship with the a very good relationship with tne—went.- a very good relationship with the—right. and. the king. that's right. and i tntnt— the king. that's right. and i think-feels— the king. that's right. and i think-feels he- the king. that's right. and i think feels he walk on think he feels he can walk on wete — think he feels he can walk on water. suddenly— think he feels he can walk on water. suddenly he can. wwiwww water. suddenly he can. now he went— water. suddenly he can. now he went eette— water. suddenly he can. now he went eete ee— water. suddenly he can. now he wasn't quite as emboldened when he should stick his day job he should stick to his day job and and get a few bums on and try and get a few bums on seats churches because there seats in churches because there aren't and a lot of aren't very many and a lot of churches down on his churches are closing down on his watch not very watch because he's not very inspirational also inspirational and he's also irritating. inspirational irritating. he was inspirational . eww— irritating. he was inspirational . www teen.— irritating. he was inspirational . all yeah, he makes want to . all yeah, he makes me want to go church. gavin was great. go to church. gavin was great. stu— go to church. gavin was great. stittlcome- — go to church. gavin was great. still-come. ukraine's- still to come. ukraine's president, zelenskyy that president, zelenskyy says that he's that kyiv he's disappointed that kyiv wasn't hosting hosting this year's song contest. year's eurovision song contest. but he even went further than that.

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wew cent— remember that? you just can't you can't making— remember that? you just can't you can't making your mind up. vee— you can't making your mind up. wew cent— you can't making your mind up. wew cen-t eew— you can't making your mind up. you can't say pathetic. but thew-we— you can't say pathetic. but they're going— you can't say pathetic. but they're going te— you can't say pathetic. but they're going to be talking to us in just minute. they're us in just a minute. they're pulling they're en route us in just a minute. they're puthe; they're en route us in just a minute. they're puthe eurovision y're en route us in just a minute. they're puthe eurovision songn route us in just a minute. they're puthe eurovision song contest. to the eurovision song contest. so don't anywhere. the four so don't go anywhere. the four of us could do— so don't go anywhere. the four of us could dolbuck's- w:wiw“ e gwiw wig twi; the four of us could do buck's fizz. of us could do a buck's fizz. neten— of us could do a buck's fizz. wteten. f— of us could do a buck's fizz. listen, i want.— of us could do a buck's fizz. listen, i want. what-you. listen, i want. what did you think of gavin akua extraordinary interview just extraordinary interview we just heard ashton's heard about gavin ashton's extraordinarily. thought extraordinarily. i thought iti wee—ne extraordinarily. i thought it- wee—ne ne was extraordinary. i think he he eeetwewee— was extraordinary. i think he he destroyed archbishop destroyed the archbishop of centewtww— destroyed the archbishop of canterbury-very- destroyed the archbishop of canterbury very kind and canterbury in a very kind and tewne— canterbury in a very kind and loving wew— canterbury in a very kind and loving waylas_ canterbury in a very kind and loving way as clergyman loving way, as only a clergyman wewe— loving way, as only a clergyman wewe .— loving way, as only a clergyman wewe . ne— loving way, as only a clergyman wewe . we ete— loving way, as only a clergyman would. he did a— loving way, as only a clergyman would . he did a brilliant he would. he did a brilliant he eete— would. he did a brilliant he eete ewectw— would. he did a brilliant he said exactly what sure said exactly what i'm sure eeene— said exactly what i'm sure everyone .there - said exactly what i'm sure everyone there thinking . everyone out there is thinking. he everyone out there is thinking. ne-ne-e— everyone out there is thinking. ne-ne-e wew— everyone out there is thinking. he-he's you know,- everyone out there is thinking. he he's you know, he's he said he's you know, he's wetne— he said he's you know, he's doing-being— he said he's you know, he's doing being partisan. doing he's being partisan. he being— doing he's being partisan. he tetne ft— doing he's being partisan. he was being it was— doing he's being partisan. he was being it was it was left wing— was being it was it was left wing partisanship. absolutely. wne— wing partisanship. absolutely. wnet-net— wing partisanship. absolutely. and-not what- wing partisanship. absolutely. and-not what a- wing partisanship. absolutely. and not what a man of the and that's not what a man of the cfetn— and that's not what a man of the ctetn eneew— and that's not what a man of the cloth should do.— and that's not what a man of the cloth should do. he— and that's not what a man of the cloth should do. he should be eeeeeffne— cloth should do. he should be eeeeettne te— cloth should do. he should be appealing to everyone. '“w: cloth should do. he should be appealing to everyone. ' “w: appealing to everyone. and he tettew— appealing to everyone. and he talked about— appealing to everyone. and he talked about a— appealing to everyone. and he talked about a lack of maturity . he yes, noticed when he said . he yes, i noticed when he said leapt in on like a striking leapt in on it like a striking panic. yes. a man of 70 odd. nee— panic. yes. a man of 70 odd. ne-e teen— panic. yes. a man of 70 odd. he's been archbishop- it?“ wt. “wit; a man of 70 odd. he's been archbishop for a long tfne. — he's been archbishop for a long tfne. fnet— he's been archbishop for a long time. that was— he's been archbishop for a long time. that was a— he's been archbishop for a long time. that was a devastating to wew. — time. that was a devastating to wew. f— time. that was a devastating to wew. f neen— time. that was a devastating to you. i mean, that— time. that was a devastating to you. i mean, that was- time. that was a devastating to you. i mean, that was really the harpoon. it was. but of course, ne-e— harpoon. it was. but of course, we tne— harpoon. it was. but of course, he's the leader— harpoon. it was. but of course, he's the leader of— harpoon. it was. but of course, he's the leader of the- i“ it was. but of course, he's the leader of the anglican tettn— he's the leader of the anglican faith worldwide.— he's the leader of the anglican faith worldwide. indeed, faith worldwide. so indeed, comments-this- faith worldwide. so indeed, comments this country will comments about this country will be comments about this country will te—ewewne— comments about this country will te—ewewne tne-

comments about this country will be around the world. be echoing all around the world. wne— be echoing all around the world. wnet-wnet— be echoing all around the world. and-unfair-it's. and it's so unfair because it's newne— and it's so unfair because it's nettnelteet— and it's so unfair because it's making-look like- and it's so unfair because it's making look like a racist making us look like a racist cewntww — making us look like a racist cewntww _we- making us look like a racist country. _we all. making us look like a racist. country. _we all were country. and as we all were talking about before, the anglican church is decaying in front eyes, you front of our very eyes, you know, know, congregations know, you know, congregations are single day. are dwindling every single day. that's should be that's what we should be focusing he's he's focusing on. and he's not he's focusing on. and he's not he's focusing on. and he's not he's focusing on politics and the anglican actually anglican church are actually booming. the wing booming. the evangelical wing and booming. the evangelical wing ent-nwcn— booming. the evangelical wing and-much the— booming. the evangelical wing and-much the sort- booming. the evangelical wing and-much the sort of- “g the evangelical wing and much the sort of the and very much the sort of the weet— and very much the sort of the west african— and very much the sort of the west african wing. but i think cewn—eel west african wing. but i think. cewn—ee youw gavin ashenden, i think as you, as gavin ashenden, i think as you, ee wew— gavin ashenden, i think as you, ee you nentww— gavin ashenden, i think as you, as you rightly pointed out, was the as you rightly pointed out, was tne-te— as you rightly pointed out, was tne-te eween- as you rightly pointed out, was the to queen elizabeth as you rightly pointed out, was the wouldn'tieen elizabeth as you rightly pointed out, was the wouldn'tielhave zabeth as you rightly pointed out, was the wouldn'tielhave beenh ii. yeah. wouldn't it have been teeanetfne— ii. yeah. wouldn't it have been fascinating to— ii. yeah. wouldn't it have been fascinating to some the fascinating to hear some of the conversations? _ fascinating to hear some of the conversations? yeah, well, i could to him all could have talked to him all day. i can see why the queen picked him. he's fabulous, isn't it? remember this wretched welby man? he. they're man? he. they. they're ettecettne— man? he. they. they're allocating £100- 7 he. they. they're allocating £100 million of cnwwcn— allocating £100 million of church money.— allocating £100 million of church money. where do they get wet— church money. where do they get that—shouldn't- church money. where do they get that—shouldn't that. church money. where do they get that shouldn't that be that from.7 why shouldn't that be spen— that from.7 why shouldn't that be spelt in— that from.7 why shouldn't that be spelt in poor— that from.7 why shouldn't that be spelt in poor communities to deal— spelt in poor communities to deal-reparations,- spelt in poor communities to deal reparations, to do deal with reparations, to do with— deal with reparations, to do wttt tte— deal with reparations, to do with the slave— deal with reparations, to do with the slave trade when he _t— with the slave trade when he was-t waste- with the slave trade when he was. _a waste of- with the slave trade when he was. a waste of time and was. what a waste of time and money— was. what a waste of time and money-ttmtt— was. what a waste of time and money etonian not me i money as an etonian not me i ttt— money as an etonian not me i mean oil welsby. _ money as an etonian not me i mean oil welsby. i— money as an etonian not me i mean oil welsby. i thought you toottng— mean oil welsby. i thought you were looking at— mean oil welsby. i thought you were looking at me . i'm not. no, were looking at me. i'm not. no, no , no. definitely— were looking at me. i'm not. no, no , no. definitely not an old no, no. definitely not an old tttnttn. — no, no. definitely not an old etonian. yes,— no, no. definitely not an old etonian. yes, he- no, no. definitely not an old etonian. yes, he is,- no, no. definitely not an old etonian. “tit; titty etonian. yes, he is, tony. i felt like saying it is easier for a camel to pass through the

eye of the needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom. the old etonian living in his very— the old etonian living in his very nte— the old etonian living in his very nice palace— the old etonian living in his very nice palace at lambeth tttett— very nice palace at lambeth palace-nice- very nice palace at lambethl palace.-nice place. palace. it's a very nice place. tetutttut— palace. it's a very nice place. beautiful garden.— palace. it's a very nice place. beautiful garden. needs to beautiful garden. he needs to tut— beautiful garden. he needs to out ot— beautiful garden. he needs to come out of it— beautiful garden. he needs to come out of it more often and meet— come out of it more often and meet ordinary— come out of it more often and meet ordinary supporters in that etee—knew,- meet ordinary supporters in that eneenew—t hei once they did and you know, he tttett— once they did and you know, he threw-ent— once they did and you know, he threw-and there- once they did and you know, he threw and there were threw them out and there were teette— threw them out and there were teette-were— threw them out and there were people were living there people who were living there eutte— people who were living there eutte e— people who were living there eutte e-ttme— people who were living there quite a -time and - people who were living there quite a time and he got quite a long time and he got ttet. — quite a long time and he got ttet. se— quite a long time and he got rich. so he's— quite a long time and he got rich. so he's not— quite a long time and he got rich. and we rich. so he's not that. and we etettt— rich. so he's not that. and we eteutt te— rich. so he's not that. and we should be asking— rich. so he's not that. and we should be asking all- rich. and we should be asking all those 26 bi5h°p5_ should be asking all those 26 bishops-ma'w— should be asking all those 26 bishops many them have bishops how many of them have tetet—tttett- bishops how many of them have taken _their into l taken in refugees to their into ttett. — taken in refugees to their into ttett. wett— taken in refugees to their into their. well, he— taken in refugees to their into their. well, he took- taken in refugees to their into their. lattice " taken in refugees to their into- their. well, he took-in and their. well, he took them in and then he got rid. he did. the only one who has is “c1" git ” the only one who has is bishop i“ git ” the only one who has is bishop gary tteetet. — only one who has is bishop gary tteetet. oh.— only one who has is bishop gary lineker. oh, yes.— only one who has is bishop gary lineker. oh, yes. oh,- only one who has is bishop gary lineker. o“ «tilt? o“ lineker. oh, yes. oh, he starts there'll be a house at the side of the ground. won't be in of the ground. it won't be in his house, one of his houses, as we say. we're going to be tetttng— we say. we're going to be tetttne tn— we say. we're going to be talking in just— we say. we're going to be talking in just a- we're going to be talking in just a moment to etete— talking in just a moment to butte-ent— talking in just a moment to bucks-and the- talking in just a moment to bucks and the run up to the bucks fizz and the run up to the tttetttee— bucks fizz and the run up to the eurovision-contest- bucks fizz and the run up to the eurovision contest this eurovision song contest this weekend.— eurovision song contest this weekend. andrew weekend. turns out andrew pierce is weekend. turns out andrew pierce telmeeetve— weekend. turns out andrew pierce is massive eurovision fan, but is a massive eurovision fan, but he is a massive eurovision fan, but tte—wttt— is a massive eurovision fan, but tte—wttt tte- is a massive eurovision fan, but he _with the sound. he watched it with the sound tumet. — he watched it with the sound tumet. t— he watched it with the sound turned. i turned.- he watched it with the sound turned. i turned. i- he watched it with the sound turned. “it: is“ c turned. i turned. i can't i can't listen to the turkish song and the cypriot caterwauling of abba. and terms of abba. and in terms of biographies,- abba. and in terms of. biographies,-your abba. and in terms of- biographies,-your oh, biographies, who is your oh, atte— biographies, who is your oh, atte ty— biographies, who is your oh, atte by e— biographies, who is your oh, abba by a mile? o” ti.tit. o” abba by a mile? of course. of course. i love i'm in love

course. i love abba. i'm in love with abba. might be able hear with abba. might be able to hear us. with abba. might be able to hear ttet-te— with abba. might be able to hear ttet-te-te— with abba. might be able to hear us. they're-to talk- with abba. might be able to hear us. they're-to talk to - us. they're going to talk to them — us. they're going to talk to them .minute. - us. they're going to talk to- them .minute. .might. them in a minute. they might. but like i like breakfast to but i, like i like breakfast to get abba one you know where get when abba one you know where the eurovision contest 1974 the eurovision song contest 1974 brighton is in brighton was talk about was about horses. of course, it was the time i still was the time i still i was transfixed abba in transfixed by watching abba in 1974 and i fell in firmly in love him there. and then, love with him there. and then, you every time we every you know, every time we every time pierce get together time pierce and i get together with guarantee time pierce and i get together wi'the guarantee time pierce and i get together wi'the end guarantee time pierce and i get together wi'the end of guarantee time pierce and i get together wi'the end of evening antee time pierce and i get together wi'the end of evening he ee at the end of the evening he will stick tune whether at the end of the evening he wilwant< tune whether at the end of the evening he wilwant it tune whether at the end of the evening he wilwant it on tune whether at the end of the evening he wilwant it on or tune whether at the end of the evening he wilwant it on or not. 1e whether at the end of the evening he wilwant it on or not. and 1ether at the end of the evening he wilwant it on or not. and we |er at the end of the evening he wilwant it on or not. and we all we want it on or not. and we all get dancing. you do. i get up dancing. no, you do. i do. and get on the table get up dancing. no, you do. i. do. and-get on the table and do. and you get on the table and you eeetet— do. and you get on the table and you destroy furniture. i you destroy furniture. i knock etetttee— you destroy furniture. i knock etetttee etet— you destroy furniture. i knock candles over and burn your table and whole dining for me and a whole dining table for me by a candle over yvette by knocking a candle over yvette cooper was going for the leadership. i super leadership. i rewrote super troupe— leadership. i rewrote super troupe ee— leadership. i rewrote super trouper as super- : i rewrote super trouper as super cooper. you knew,— trouper as super cooper. you knew, tete— trouper as super cooper. you knew, teve te— trouper as super cooper. you know, love is going to find you. ste— know, love is going to find you. she tttet— know, love is going to find you. she didn't- no. - know, love is going to find you. she didn't no. funnily she didn't like it? no. funnily eeetete,— enough, she's anything but etee.— enough, she's anything but- super._wonderful. enough, she's anything but- slike._wonderful. enough, she's anything but- s like hen-wonderful. enough, she's anything but- slike her, but-wonderful. enough, she's anything but sc wonderful. enough, she's anything but sc derful. enough, she's anything but- slike her, but she's not. so ful. i like her, but she's not. so it's. obviously it's. it's obviously in liverpool this weekend. but last year the liverpool this weekend. but last year-the ukrainian- year of course the ukrainian entrance,-one,- year of course the ukrainian entrance, one, they were entrance, this one, they were tetet,— entrance, this one, they were eettet, tt— entrance, this one, they were called, it was— entrance, this one, they were called, it was calsci's orchestra. _ called, it was calsci's orchestra. it i'm orchestra. don't remember it i'm sure—ml sure you've got it on repeat in your— sure you've got it on repeat in tett-vet— sure you've got it on repeat in tett-vet ten-t— sure you've got it on repeat in your you don't have car, your car. you don't have a car, tut— your car. you don't have a car, tut zetenetw— your car. you don't have a car, but zelenskyy-now- your car. you don't have a car, but zelenskyy now said, but zelenskyy has now said, tteettte,— but zelenskyy has now said, therefore, because they it therefore, because they won, it etettt— therefore, because they won, it etetm—ttte- should have been this year. shoute—

should have been this year. should have— should have been this year. should have been in ukraine and zetenetw— should have been in ukraine and zetenetw-ent- should have been in ukraine and zelenskyy-and he- should have been in ukraine and zelenskyy and he said, zelenskyy come out and he said, i zelenskyy come out and he said, t-eteet— zelenskyy come out and he said, t-eeet respect— zelenskyy come out and he said, i-great respect-the- i have great respect for the tmtet— i have great respect for the united kingdom, should and united kingdom, so we should and it's united kingdom, so we should and tte—country.— it's an amazing country. yes. tteet— it's an amazing country. yes.. tttet—tte thank you. great respect. it's got a great armaments as well. right. and he said from the start, has that start, my opinion has been that if host eurovision , it if we can't host eurovision, it should in the should take place in one of the countries that share border countries that share a border with us, such as slovakia, poland or another country that our reach easily . our people can reach easily. well, i'm not entirely sure that the too happy the poles would be too happy with particular idea with that. that particular idea . besides, other hand, . besides, on the other hand, it's expensive . it costs it's very expensive. it costs millions-stage. - it's very expensive. it costs millions-stage. i- it's very expensive. it costs millions stage. i mean, millions to stage. i mean, ttetete— millions to stage. i mean, teetmt-et- millions to stage. i mean, ireland of their to ireland went out of their way to lose having it years lose, having won it two years running, bankrupted it. but look, the reality is there's only a limited number of people can actually there in the can actually be there in the arena in liverpool. so what would been the what would have been the what a target would been? target that would have been? imagine had been just over imagine if it had been just over the course it's putin the border in course it's putin would have sent bombs criticising zelenskyy is like criticising zelenskyy is like criticising david attenborough. you know it is and we shouldn't we etetttee-t— you know it is and we shouldn't we shouldn't be— you know it is and we shouldn't we shouldn't be rushing to judgement— we shouldn't be rushing to judgement soon because judgement too soon because i t— judgement too soon because i t ttetet— judgement too soon because i mean i adored zelenskyy as eetettt— mean i adored zelenskyy as zelenskyy, but— mean i adored zelenskyy as zelenskyy, but want to kind of zelenskyy, but i want to kind of see zelenskyy, but i want to kind of tte— zelenskyy, but i want to kind of see the context— zelenskyy, but i want to kind of see the context which you see the context in which you eett— see the context in which you eett-tut— see the context in which you eett-tut yet— see the context in which you said but you know, he,

said this, but you know, he, tte— said this, but you know, he, tte-e— said this, but you know, he, tte-e-et- said this, but you know, he, it's-a.of time. said this, but you know, he,i it's-a.of time and it's cost us a lot of time and tettte— it's cost us a lot of time and trouble really.— it's cost us a lot of time and trouble really. he— it's cost us a lot of time and trouble really. he should have eett—tttet- trouble really. he should have said _think we've| said so before. i think we've got. that's i think we've said so before. i think we've got.witht's i think we've said so before. i think we've got.with us i think we've said so before. i think we've got.with us jay i think we've said so before. i think we've got.with us jay aston,�*|k we've said so before. i think we've got.with us jay aston, mike 've got with us jay aston, mike nolan and cheryl baker. all all the original members- nolan and cheryl baker. all all the original members of- \ it“t: (still all all the original members of books. ttete— the original members of books. there ttet— the original members of books. there they are. _ the original members of books. there they are. hello. great to you. — there they are. hello. great to you. etett— there they are. hello. great to see you. great to— there they are. hello. great to see you. great to see you. where are see you. great to see you. where you-’— see you. great to see you. where teee teettng— see you. great to see you. where are you? looking good , erg. �*ftt�*ti are you? looking good, erg. we ten-t— are you? looking good, erg. we ten-t knew— are you? looking good, erg. we don't know where— are you? looking good, erg. we don't know where in— are you? looking good, erg. �*ftt�*ti t:tit“ c ”ti: “ we don't know where in wales. we called over to try and get- t:tit“ c ”ti: “ we called over to try and get some decent— called over to try and get some decent signal. _ called over to try and get some decent signal. very- called over to try and get some decent signal. «c13 3: /tit ”c: decent signal. very good. you're on. are you on your way to liverpool? you're on your way to liverpool? you're on your way to liverpool ? yes, we're on our liverpool? yes, we're on our way. — liverpool? yes, we're on our way. vett— liverpool? yes, we're on our way. yeah . brilliant.- , yes, we're on our way. “if“ brilliant. and what way. yeah. brilliant. and what do way. yeah. brilliant. and what to tett— way. yeah. brilliant. and what do your responses— way. “if“ brilliant. and what do your responses abilities tnvetve— do your responses abilities involve this— do your responses abilities involve this weekend ? presumably involve this weekend? presumably yet-te— involve this weekend? presumably yet-re ett— involve this weekend? presumably you're all working— involve this weekend? presumably you're all working there . yeah you're all working there. yeah wett— you're all working there. yeah wett, ee— you're all working there. yeah well, we've got— you're all working there. yeah well, we've got several concerts a , well, we've got several concerts , a concert tonight.— well, we've got several concerts , a concert tonight. a concert temeteew tn— , a concert tonight. a concert tomorrow in liverpool, and then teet— tomorrow in liverpool, and then ttet en— tomorrow in liverpool, and then we're back on the— tomorrow in liverpool, and then we're back on the final. really? wet— we're back on the final. really? wet ee— we're back on the final. really? test we tweete— we're back on the final. really? test we gueete .— we're back on the final. really? just as guests . we— we're back on the final. really? just as guests . we did our just as guests. we did our ttttte— just as guests. we did our little sketch— just as guests. we did our little sketch the other night on the semi—final,— little sketch the other night on the semi—final, and it was amazing— the semi—final, and it was emeztne .— the semi—final, and it was amazing . doing the show is amazing. doing the show is tmtetee— amazing. doing the show is amazing, isn't— amazing. doing the show is amazing, isn't it? absolutely. tte— amazing, isn't it? absolutely. it's wonderful— amazing, isn't it? absolutely. it's wonderful . _ amazing, isn't it? absolutely. it's wonderful . “tit?“ and

amazing, isn't it? absolutely. it's wonderful . / and i read it's wonderful. yeah. and i read the ether— it's wonderful. yeah. and i read the ether tew— it's wonderful. yeah. and i read the other day, it— it's wonderful. yeah. and i read the other day, it is— it's wonderful. / and i read the other day, it is one of the meet— the other day, it is one of the most seminal— the other day, it is one of the most seminal moments in tweweten— most seminal moments in eurovision contest history when you eurovision contest history when wee-ttetet— eurovision contest history when wee-ttppet-etttte- eurovision contest history when you ripped skirts off you girls ripped your skirts off . when— you girls ripped your skirts off . tttee vou— you girls ripped your skirts off . when you won— you girls ripped your skirts off . when you won all those years ago— . when you won all those years age . — . when you won all those years age . we.— . when you won all those years age . we. ttet-s— . when you won all those years ago . no, that's wrong- . when you won all those years ago. \tit 3 oh, . when you won all those years ago . \tit 3 oh, oh, ago. no, that's wrong. oh, oh, you ttt. — ago. no, that's wrong. oh, oh, you did. you did. mike it's tettnttew— you did. you did. mike it's definitely today. _ you did. /tit ti ti it: it's definitely today. now, you did. /ti. ti ti it: it's definitely today. now, my trousers. there- definitely today. now, my trousers. there you go. there. ttet-e— trousers. there you go. there. ttet-e tt. — trousers. there you go. there. that's it. how— trousers. there you go. there. that's it. how times- trousers. there you go. there. that's it. i that's it. how times have changed. that was considered risque. you'd get six months for that now. yeah . yeah dog. but that now. yeah. yeah dog. but guys , just. just remind us what guys, just. just remind us what year that was. and if anybody tet— year that was. and if anybody tet tett— year that was. and if anybody tet tett vou— year that was. and if anybody had told you then— and if anybody had told you then that you'd etttt— had told you then that you'd etttt te— had told you then that you'd still be heading— had told you then that you'd still be heading up the motorway in still be heading up the motorway tn me— still be heading up the motorway tn zoze te— still be heading up the motorway tn zoze to te— still be heading up the motorway in 2023 to be part— still be heading up the motorway in 2023 to be part of it, would you— in 2023 to be part of it, would you tewe— in 2023 to be part of it, would you have believed— in 2023 to be part of it, would you have believed them? it . was you have believed them? it. was tees.— you have believed them? it. was tees. ween-t— you have believed them? it. was 1845, wasn't it?— you have believed them? it. was 1845, wasn't it? _ you have believed them? it. was 1845, wasn't it? 42— you have believed them? it. was 1845, wasn't it? 4:7 $1135 you have believed them? it. was 1845, wasn't it? ”i? «tti55 g 1845, wasn't it? 42 years ago, actually, 42 years, yeah. we're going to give up— actually, 42 years, yeah. we're going to give up after- i “i? gift? gilt?" we're going to give up after five wee— going to give up after five wee twe— going to give up after five wee we get— going to give up after five years. i've got a five year career here. 42- years. i've got a five year career here. 42 years. you know, we're we're still— career here. 42 years. you know, we're we're still doing it. tte— we're we're still doing it. tte emeztne— we're we're still doing it. tte emeztne .— we're we're still doing it. it's amazing . aren't- we're we're still doing it. it's amazing . aren't we lucky? it's amazing. aren't we lucky? yeah . yeah. aren't you still got yeah. yeah. aren't you still got better hair than michael fabricant? mike, what do you guys— fabricant? mike, what do you guys tttet— fabricant? mike, what do you

guys tttet et— fabricant? mike, what do you guys think of the— i 7 mike, what do you guys think of the british entry ttte— guys think of the british entry ttte year?— guys think of the british entry this year? what— guys think of the british entry this year? what do you think of the ttt— this year? what do you think of the we entw— this year? what do you think of the wt entw e — this year? what do you think of the uk entry 7 oh,— this year? what do you think of the uk entry ? o“ c gii5. the uk entry? oh, it's great. it's great. just going- the uk entry? 0“ e gii5. e gii5. just going to do it's great. just going to do teettw— it's great. just going to do really wett. — it's great. just going to do really well. but— e gii5. just going to do really well. but the opposition is phenomenal,— really well. but the opposition is phenomenal, so i don't know. i is phenomenal, so i don't know. twee— is phenomenal, so i don't know. twee saving— is phenomenal, so i don't know. twee eewtwg tep— is phenomenal, so i don't know. i was saying top five i think etettt— i was saying top five i think eteett te— i was saying top five i think should be top— i was saying top five i think should be top five, but maybe top should be top five, but maybe tee ten. — should be top five, but maybe tee ten. eet— should be top five, but maybe top ten. but we're— should be top five, but maybe top ten. but we're going to be on top ten. but we're going to be eet-tett— top ten. but we're going to be eet-tett tent— top ten. but we're going to be on-left hand .of- top ten. but we're going to be on left hand of the on the left hand side of the teett— on the left hand side of the teett ttte— on the left hand side of the board this year— on the left hand side of the board this year for sure. right whe— board this year for sure. right who—going- board this year for sure. right who—going tel board this year for sure. right i who—going to win who do you think's going to win then? ukraine, ukraine? because ewetee.— then? ukraine, ukraine? because ewetee-.— then? ukraine, ukraine? because ukraine,-, finland,- ukraine, sweden, finland, ttetetet— ukraine, sweden, finland, finland, finland , in the in the finland, finland, in the in the eetttettem— finland, finland, in the in the auditorium is— finland, finland, in the in the auditorium is the— finland, finland, in the in the auditorium is the favourite. veet. — auditorium is the favourite. veet. eet— auditorium is the favourite. yeah. but loreen loreen sweden is yeah. but loreen loreen sweden te teteteee— yeah. but loreen loreen sweden tetetwteee. — yeah. but loreen loreen sweden is fabulous. yeah.— yeah. but loreen loreen sweden is fabulous. / yeah. but loreen loreen sweden is fabulous . / is fabulous. yeah. um, yeah. ttetent-e— is fabulous. yeah. um, yeah. ireland's not— is fabulous. yeah. um, yeah. ireland's not in— is fabulous. yeah. um, yeah. ireland's not in it.— is fabulous. yeah. um, yeah. ireland's not in it. no- is fabulous. / ireland's not in it. no shame. seeme— ireland's not in it. no shame. shame. ireland's— ireland's not in it. no shame. shame. ireland's norway, finland . teete— shame. ireland's norway, finland . veet. thew-te— shame. ireland's norway, finland . yeah. they're all— shame. ireland's norway, finland . yeah. they're all i— shame. ireland's norway, finland . yeah. they're all i reckon ttteett— . yeah. they're all i reckon finland. finland- . yeah. they're all i reckon finland. finland might make it this finland. finland might make it ttte vear- — finland. finland might make it ttte year- okav-_ finland. finland might make it this year. okay. all- finland. finland might make it this year. cite/exit i ti“ �*ftt�*tiii this year. okay. all right. well quyst this year. okay. all right. well guys, it's lovely to see you . guys, it's lovely to see you. you're looking fabulous. thank you so much . you're looking you so much. you're looking teteteee— you so much. you're looking fabulous for— you so much. you're looking fabulous for pulling- i“ you're looking fabulous for pulling over on the metetwew— fabulous for pulling over on the metetwew en— fabulous for pulling over on the motorway on the— fabulous for pulling over on the motorway on the way to liverpool eeete. — motorway on the way to liverpool eeete. tett.— motorway on the way to liverpool again. yeah, yeah,— motorway on the way to liverpool again. yeah, yeah, yeah- motorway on the way to liverpool again. “cit?" gilt?" gilt?" motorway on the way to liverpool again. / again. yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. go careful and have a good concert tonight. well done . concert tonight. well done. tewew— concert tonight. well done. tewew te— concert tonight. well done. lovely to talk— concert tonight. well done. lovely to talk to _ concert tonight. well done. lovely to talk to you- ii tit“ ti“ well done. lovely to talk to you guys. see you— lovely to talk to you guys. see you .— lovely to talk to you guys. see you . tteettt— lovely to talk to you guys. see you . wasn't that— lovely to talk to you guys. see you . wasn't that fabulous ?

you. wasn't that fabulous? eeet.— you. wasn't that fabulous? great. aren't— you. wasn't that fabulous? great. aren't they great? i do remember when— great. aren't they great? i do remember when those skirts came off remember when those skirts came ett .— remember when those skirts came ett . tt— remember when those skirts came ett . tt wee— remember when those skirts came ett . tt e— remember when those skirts came off. it was a great— remember when those skirts came off. it was a great moment, eent— off. it was a great moment, eent tte— off. it was a great moment, wasn't it? yeah.— off. it was a great moment, wasn't it? yeah. i- off. it was a great moment, wasn't it? yeah. i just love the teet— wasn't it? yeah. i just love the tee—ett— wasn't it? yeah. i just love the fact—all still- fact that they're all still tee — fact that they're all still- tee _teppen fact that they're all still- mates. _happen in mates. that doesn't happen in the does she? the music industry, does she? what a scoop. exactly. are you going to watch? will you watch it, yes i will. i mean, it, carol? yes i will. i mean, i'm a bit it, carol? yes i will. i mean, t-n e ttt tn— it, carol? yes i will. i mean, i'm a bit i'm a— it, carol? yes i will. i mean, i'm a bit i'm a bit- it, carol? yes i will. i mean, i'm a bit i'm a bit fed- e 7 “4155 ii i mean, i'm a bit i'm a bit fed up with entry.— i'm a bit i'm a bit fed up with entry. wne— i'm a bit i'm a bit fed up with entry. who keeps— i'm a bit i'm a bit fed up with entry. who keeps on saying she's a entry. who keeps on saying she's e—te— entry. who keeps on saying she's e—te tne— entry. who keeps on saying she's e—te tne nene- a molly—mae is the name teeny—meee— a molly—mae is the name molly—mae? she keeps molly—mae? yeah. she keeps eewtne— molly—mae? yeah. she keeps eewtne-neen— molly—mae? yeah. she keeps saying-much she- molly—mae? yeah. she keeps saying much she hates saying how much she hates eettem.— saying how much she hates britain. and— saying how much she hates britain. and wrote song. britain. and she wrote a song. sne— britain. and she wrote a song. she-teete— britain. and she wrote a song. she-leave the- britain. and she wrote a song. i she-leave the country. she wants to leave the country. she.she she wants to leave the country. she. she wants to go and live in germanv-— she. she wants to go and live in germanv--90_ she. she wants to go and live in germany.-go.then.- germany. well go on then. and why— germany. well go on then. and wnw-tetttne— germany. well go on then. and why letting someone who why are we letting someone who netee— why are we letting someone who netee-eeentw— why are we letting someone who hates country represent why are we letting someone who hknow. country represent why are we letting someone who hknow. and untry represent why are we letting someone who hknow. and shey represent why are we letting someone who hknow. and she said resent why are we letting someone who hknow. and she said that it why are we letting someone who hknow. and she said that boris i know. and she said that boris tenneen—teenl johnson shouldn't have been given— johnson shouldn't have been given-hospital- johnson shouldn't have been given hospital while he johnson shouldn't have been give seriously hospital while he johnson shouldn't have been give seriously illospital while he johnson shouldn't have been give seriously ill from1l while he johnson shouldn't have been give seriously ill from covid. he was seriously ill from covid. tte— was seriously ill from covid. tte-wen— was seriously ill from covid. tte-wen knew.— was seriously ill from covid. it's-you know, in- was seriously ill from covid. it's you know, in the it's like, you know, in the summer of 19,— it's like, you know, in the summer of 19, in spring 97, i summer of19, in spring 97, i eetet— summer of19, in spring 97, i eetet te— summer of 19, in spring 97, i was asked to come on a teteweten— was asked to come on a television programme to talk etett— television programme to talk. eteet—ant t about our great triumph. and i netetettw— about our great triumph. and i naturally _that- about our great triumph. and ii naturally _that-were naturally thought that they were talking victory talking about the labour victory in general election, the in the general election, the landslide wanted to talk landslide they wanted to talk about and the waves who about katrina and the waves who had won had actually actually won eurovision, the last eurovision, that was the last night we won. it was brilliant ent— night we won. it was brilliant ent tnet— night we won. it was brilliant ent tnet wee— night we won. it was brilliant and that was the— t“ g“ tttttit“ it was brilliant and that was the time and that was the last time we |tntnt. t— and that was the last time we won. ithink. i know. - and that was the last time we won. i know. yeah. but won. i think. i know. yeah. but i won. i think. i know. yeah. but t-tetttne— won. i think. i know. yeah. but i-talking about— won. i think. i know. yeah. but i-talking about the- won. i know. yeah. but i talking about the great i was talking about the great red

i was talking about the great net—tnel red wave sweeping over the country.— red wave sweeping over the country. tnew— red wave sweeping over the country. they wanted to talk etett— country. they wanted to talk etew—new- country. they wanted to talk about _ now we about katrina and now we want we went—entntenel want to get some more opinions out want to get some more opinions eet et— want to get some more opinions eet et vou— want to get some more opinions ent et you twe— want to get some more opinions out of you two before we wrap up- — out of you two before we wrap up. wewe— out of you two before we wrap up. wewe eet— out of you two before we wrap up. wewe get e— out of you two before we wrap up. git 9 out of you two before we wrap up. git. 9 up. we've got a slightly shorter show we've show today because we've got this announcement this interest rates announcement about liam about midday. we've got liam halligan the lang cat halligan and mark the lang cat is to be in position to is going to be in position to bnng is going to be in position to bring but before you bring you that. but before you go, a chat at what go, let's have a chat at what else we've here. let's have go, let's have a chat at what e|looke've here. let's have go, let's have a chat at what e|looke'vtwhat here. let's have go, let's have a chat at what e|looke'vtwhat else let's have go, let's have a chat at what e|looke'vtwhat else we've have go, let's have a chat at what e|looke'vtwhat else we've got; a look at what else we've got here. carol, do you want to talk about bridgerton? actually, i do. adjoa andoh, this is do. i do. adjoa andoh, this is the on tv at the post do. i do. adjoa andoh, this is the postcode on tv at the post do. i do. adjoa andoh, this is the postcode nation at the post do. i do. adjoa andoh, this is the postcode nation andte post do. i do. adjoa andoh, this is the postcode nation and saidst itv postcode nation and said that the balcony very that the balcony was very terribly white. i don't believe twe— terribly white. i don't believe i've-woman on- terribly white. i don't believe i've-woman on a- terribly white. i don't believe. i've-woman on a couple i don't believe i'voccasions woman on a couple i don't believe i'voccasions woman 01 a couple of occasions now, and i content.— of occasions now, and i eenttn-t. t— of occasions now, and i couldn't. i was- of occasions now, and i couldn't. i was stunned when she eetnetw— couldn't. i was stunned when she eeteettw eett— couldn't. i was stunned when she actually said she— couldn't. i was stunned when she actually said she she'd actually said she was. she'd teen—new- actually said she was. she'd. been _how diverse actually said she was. she'd bee coronation how diverse actually said she was. she'd bee coronation which ow diverse actually said she was. she'd bee coronation which it1 diverse actually said she was. she'd bee coronation which it had arse actually said she was. she'd bee coronation which it had was the coronation which it had was ent— the coronation which it had was ent-eett— the coronation which it had was and-said that- the coronation which it had was and said that when the and then she said that when the tentw—tne- and then she said that when the family the balcony, family came out on the balcony, it family came out on the balcony, tt-tenttw— family came out on the balcony, it-terribly white. _ family came out on the balcony, it terribly white. well, it was terribly white. well, of course, _terribly- it was terribly white. well, of course, terribly white course, it was terribly white teeeeee— course, it was terribly white because _were - course, it was terribly white because-were an- course, it was terribly white because were an all white because there were an all white entw— because there were an all white family-seemed- because there were an all white family.-seemed to- because there were an all white family. seemed to be family. and she seemed to be eneeeettng— family. and she seemed to be suggesting there— family. and she seemed to be suggesting there was something ettenewe—tt- offensive about that. and it nete— offensive about that. and it nete-wen- offensive about that. and it made-you know,l offensive about that. and it made you know, it made me feel, you know, it went— made me feel, you know, iti didn't—furious. didn't just make me furious. onen— didn't just make me furious. eteen nee— didn't just make me furious. ofcom has had— didn't just make me furious. ofcom has had 4100 and whatever eenntetnte— ofcom has had 4100 and whatever eenptetnte tne— ofcom has had 4100 and whatever complaints the most complained etett— complaints the most complained about comments— complaints the most complained about comments so far this year, when— about comments so far this year, wnten tn— about comments so far this year, wnten t-n net— about comments so far this year, which i'm not surprised at. but,

you— which i'm not surprised at. but, you knew.— which i'm not surprised at. but, you knew. tte— which i'm not surprised at. but, you know, it's you— which i'm not surprised at. but, you know, it's you know, people ttte— you know, it's you know, people ttte tnte— you know, it's you know, people ttte the teen— you know, it's you know, people like this lady have— you know, it's you know, people like this lady have to realise tnet— like this lady have to realise we the— like this lady have to realise we the te— like this lady have to realise that this is a— like this lady have to realise that this is a predominantly wntte— that this is a predominantly white country— that this is a predominantly white country and, you know, get tt— white country and, you know, get tt. ant— white country and, you know, get over it. and the— white country and, you know, get over it. and the royal family went— over it. and the royal family went te— over it. and the royal family went to enormous lengths and so teee— went to enormous lengths and so teee ttte— went to enormous lengths and so does this country— went to enormous lengths and so does this country generally to be does this country generally to te ewetee. — does this country generally to be diverse, to— does this country generally to be diverse, to be— does this country generally to be diverse, to be inclusive . and be diverse, to be inclusive. and the coronation,— be diverse, to be inclusive. and the coronation, particularly a tteet— the coronation, particularly a tteet eeetet— the coronation, particularly a black gospel choir, black gospel enetn— black gospel choir, black gospel enetn tne— black gospel choir, black gospel choir, the female— black gospel choir, black gospel choir, the female bishops, the tteet— choir, the female bishops, the black bishops— choir, the female bishops, the black bishops and all of that. net— black bishops and all of that. net greg— black bishops and all of that. but greg talking— black bishops and all of that. but greg talking about- black bishops and all of that. but greg talking about the- black bishops and all of that. but greg talking about the bbc being hideously white, i tell you, one person will be delighted with this. i think a viewer in montecito, california . well, yes, immediately. if you say you, i told you so, say i told you, i told you so, she hadn't flounced off she if she hadn't flounced off to america , she could have been to america, she could have been on with her husband. on the balcony with her husband. can a white can you imagine if a white pee— can you imagine if a white pee net— can you imagine if a white person had said- can you imagine if a white person had said that about about ntteeeew— person had said that about about ntteeeew e— person had said that about about hideously a black— person had said that about about hideously a black event ? /tit. hideously a black event? you knew.— hideously a black event? you knew. tt— hideously a black event? you knew. tt eett— hideously a black event? you know, it said it— hideously a black event? you know, it said it was- hideously a black event? you know, it said it was hideously black. i mean, there would be hell to pay. you know, racism works both ways. i just works both ways. and i just think was appalling think this was an appalling comment make. you know, ofcom comment to make. you know, ofcom are don't yet are saying they don't know yet whether they're to whether they're going to investigate. surely they have to investigate. surely they have to investigate they've had 4000 investigate if they've had 4000 complaints. they have to investigate. would you investigate. but why would you say that on a day a happy day?

why the bleeding, the why stating the bleeding, the tteettne— why stating the bleeding, the bleeding obvious ? �*ftt�*ti.. bleeding obvious? well, the tntne— bleeding obvious? well, the tntne ts.— bleeding obvious? well, the thing is, i mean, she's not a flibbertigibbet. she's a woman . flibbertigibbet. she's a woman. she's an intelligent woman. and she's bright, intelligent she's a bright, intelligent woman. and said, woman. yes. and she said, oh, that's but the that's a bit tired. but the point sometimes you reveal point is, sometimes you reveal your true feelings on occasion. yes. and what did she expect the tewet— yes. and what did she expect the royal tentw— yes. and what did she expect the royal family te— yes. and what did she expect the royal family to do? well, a nee— royal family to do? well, a tee et— royal family to do? well, a person of colour— royal family to do? well, a person of colour to tag them on to person of colour to tag them on te-te— person of colour to tag them on te-te nete— person of colour to tag them on te-te nete tt— person of colour to tag them on to-to make it look- to the end, to make it look nettewe.— to the end, to make it look- inclusive._wasn't inclusive. someone who wasn't a nnnete— inclusive. someone who wasn't a member—pet- inclusive. someone who wasn't a nenten—net eenei member of the family put some neten— member of the family put some tettenltnetn— member of the family put some polish-theirface. - member of the family put some polish theirface. �*ftt�*ti.. polish on their face. well, i ttet-e— polish on their face. well, i mean, that's it's mean, that's you know, it's steady on and it's an outrageous lenny henry. yeah, it's an entneeeeee— lenny henry. yeah, it's an outrageous thing- lenny henry. yeah, it's an. outrageous thing-it's outrageous thing to say. it's eeen— outrageous thing to say. it's eeet e— outrageous thing to say. it's such a shame,— outrageous thing to say. it's such a shame, though, because we've far. we have we've come so far. yes, we have . you know, we could have black panellists tell you panellists here would tell you that a tough diana. that they've had a tough diana. but you we talk but i mean, you know, we talk about, you know, she she represents difficult represents such a difficult time. into that time. she had to get into that state. politics. we've come state. in politics. we've come so and when somebody comes so far. and when somebody comes out and says statements like this, everything this, when they see everything through melanin , so through the prism of melanin, so disappointing, so disappointing because it causes more division and especially when people. melanie that's brilliant melanie that's such a brilliant exneeenten— melanie that's such a brilliant expression-like- melanie that's such a brilliant expression. like that? expression. you like that? ttet-e— expression. you like that? tnet-e-cen- expression. you like that?| that's-canlsee expression. you like that?- that's-canlsee it? that's fabulous. can i see it? stennen— that's fabulous. can i see it?j stephen _that. that's fabulous. can i see it?-

stephen _that. but stephen you can have that. but it stephen you can have that. but tt-netentn. — stephen you can have that. but it-melanin. it's- stephen you can have that. but it-melanin. it'sjust- it is about melanin. it's just about the melanin your skin. about the melanin in your skin. it's it's under the skin that really matters . but but i it's it's under the skin that really matters. but but i think ten-t— really matters. but but i think ten-t wen— really matters. but but i think don't you think— really matters. but but i think don't you think that- itit5..«t but but i think don't you think that this country— don't you think that this country-really- don't you think that this country really hard? country tries really hard? i tntnt— country tries really hard? i tntntitw— country tries really hard? i think-try really- country tries really hard? i think try really hard with think we try really hard with eenetttw— think we try really hard with eenetttw ent— think we try really hard with equality and with diversity and this equality and with diversity and the wee— equality and with diversity and tie teet— equality and with diversity and this was just this— equality and with diversity and this was just this was just an excuse to have— this was just this was just an excuse to have a— this was just this was just an excuse to have a crack at white teette.— excuse to have a crack at white peepte. ven— excuse to have a crack at white peepte. wew ant— excuse to have a crack at white people. very and just people. very and it just eneettn-t— people. very and it just shouldn't. _ people. very and it just shouldn't . ' “ti people. very and it just— shouldn't . and she was probably shouldn't. and she was probably only on as a commentator because of her skin colour, of course. exactly. and she's playing a member aristocracy in member of the aristocracy in britain anyway. yes. which i've never watched,— britain anyway. yes. which i've never watched, .the - i i never watched, by the way. i newe- — never watched, by the way. i newe- tte— never watched, by the way. i newe- tte wew— never watched, by the way. i have. it's very good.- never watched, by the way. i have. it's very good. right we've to of our we've come to the end of our etew.— we've come to the end of our enew. wewe— we've come to the end of our show. we've _once - we've come to the end of our show. we've once a week show. we've come once a week for andrew— show. we've come once a week for andrew-t— show. we've come once a week for antnew-t-wee- show. we've come once a week for antnew-t-wee ee- show. we've come once a week for andrew i you so much andrew and i thank you so much to andrew and i thank you so much te—ent- andrew and i thank you so much te—ent eeete- to stephen pound and carole netene.— to stephen pound and carole malone. coming— to stephen pound and carole malone. coming up next is gb wewe— malone. coming up next is gbi news—longhurst malone. coming up next is gb- news_longhurst . news live with mark longhurst. were— news live with mark longhurst. were going— news live with mark longhurst. we-te gene-eet— news live with mark longhurst. we're going .get that- we're going to get that revelation interest rates revelation about interest rates coming so that's coming up very soon. so that's it us. have a great it from us. have a great weekend.— it from us. have a great weekend-you- . have a great weekend. you soon. it from us. have a great- weekend.-you soon. hello weekend. see you soon. hello eeetn— weekend. see you soon. hello eeetn. tte— weekend. see you soon. hello again. it's aidan mcgivern here with your gb news forecast brought to you by the met office. sunny spells for many of brought to you by the met of1today,inny spells for many of brought to you by the met of1today, but spells for many of brought to you by the met of1today, but interspersed any of brought to you by the met of1today, but interspersed by of us today, but interspersed by heavy showers. and once again , heavy showers. and once again, the threat of thunderstorms and some hail as well. low pressure

, relatively slack area of low pressure is sitting over the uk. its slow moving. there are light winds circulating around this. so any showers that do bubble up through the day will be slow moving and that's why there's a thunderstorm warning in force for eastern parts of the uk because here these slow moving showers could cause some impacts. of course , given the impacts. of course, given the slow moving nature of the showers. some places will avoid the showers altogether and stay dry especially dry and bright, especially western scotland. that's where the weather be. and the finest weather will be. and temperatures fairly widely across uk, close average across the uk, close to average for time of year, mid to for the time of year, mid to high generally, the high teens, generally, the showers continue going into the evening a few hours. but evening for a few hours. but then after dark they do disappear quickly . then it disappear quite quickly. then it turns drier but also generally cloudy with some low cloud drifting in from the east and becoming fairly extensive. western areas will avoid the cloud with some breaks and temperatures dipping into the mid single figures. temperatures dipping into the mid single figures . but where mid single figures. but where we've the low cloud, it's we've got the low cloud, it's a grey and chilly starts to friday. some drizzle coming

along for east anglia and the south east for a time along with a wind from the north sea that's going to make it feel quite raw through the day. i think quite disappointingly on the cool side, low cloud covering the side, the low cloud covering the hills well. and hills in the east as well. and it's stick around it's going to stick around through afternoon. through much of the afternoon. but west, brighter skies but in the west, brighter skies develop largely develop and it's largely dry with reaching the with temperatures reaching the high teens some of the high teens in some of the favoured spots. now we keep that east west split going into friday night, and that's really how we start the weekend. a lot of low in the east, of low cloud in the east, clearer spells towards the north and the west and plenty of sunshine developing throughout saturday. saturday is a mainly dry day, but with that low cloud in the east, there will be some patchy drizzle, band of rain patchy drizzle, a band of rain into on .

sunday a very sunday- i a very warm sunday— . a very warm welcome to gb sunday a very warm welcome to gb news. . a very warm welcome to gb news. twe nete— . a very warm welcome to gb news. twe nete-nett— live here with me, mark longhurst-_ live here with me, mark longhurst. and up live here with me, mark- longhurst. and-up for you live here with me, mark- lclittle'st. and-up for you live here with me, mark- lclittle earlieri-up for you live here with me, mark- lclittle earlier this-up for you live here with me, mark lclittle earlier this thursday r you a little earlier this thursday tenenttne— a little earlier this thursday lunchtime brace— a little earlier this thursday lunchtime brace yourselves teeeeee— lunchtime brace yourselves teeeeeewee— lunchtime brace yourselves because yes, the bank of england are-release its- are about to release its teeteten— are about to release its decision on— are about to release its decision on interest rates. the teee— decision on interest rates. the teee nete— decision on interest rates. the base rate expected to be raised yet base rate expected to be raised wet eeetn— base rate expected to be raised wet egetn. tne— base rate expected to be raised yet again. the 12th time. tnteeet— yet again. the 12th time. indeed, perhaps the highest tewet— indeed, perhaps the highest tewet tnen— indeed, perhaps the highest level then since 2008 will be eeetet— level then since 2008 will be reached. also _ level then since 2008 will be reached. also we're hearing the tent-e— reached. also we're hearing the bank's assessment— reached. also we're hearing the bank's assessment today as to wnene— bank's assessment today as to wnene tne— bank's assessment today as to where the economy will be neettne— where the economy will be heading ent— where the economy will be heading and whether indeed they may— heading and whether indeed they new newe— heading and whether indeed they new newe te— heading and whether indeed they new newe to te— heading and whether indeed they may have to be more rate rises to eene— may have to be more rate rises to att— may have to be more rate rises to come. all part— may have to be more rate rises to come. all part of the battle to come. all part of the battle to tene— to come. all part of the battle to tame inflation,— to come. all part of the battle to tame inflation, but of course, inflicting to tame inflation, but of- course,-inflicting more course, that is inflicting more netn— course, that is inflicting more pen—eeneee- course, that is inflicting morei pain—across the pain on households across the eeentnw— pain on households across the eenntnw .— pain on households across the eenntnw . wett— pain on households across the country . well, let's cross now country. well, let's cross now to tne— country. well, let's cross now to tne tent— country. well, let's cross now to the bank of— country. well, let's cross now to the bank of england and bring in to the bank of england and bring tn ew— to the bank of england and bring in our economics— to the bank of england and bring in our economics and business ettten— in our economics and business ettten tten — in our economics and business editor liam halligan, who is tneee— editor liam halligan, who is tnene ten— editor liam halligan, who is tnene ten — editor liam halligan, who is there for us. liam, of course, we've been discussing here on gb wewe— we've been discussing here on gb wewe tn— we've been discussing here on gb wewe tn tneee— we've been discussing here on gb news in these past— we've been discussing here on gb news in these past weeks the teet— news in these past weeks the teet tnet— news in these past weeks the fact that inflation remaining etettenntw— fact that inflation remaining stubbornly high, still in double ttete— stubbornly high, still in double ttette .— stubbornly high, still in double ttette . tne— stubbornly high, still in double digits. the bank— stubbornly high, still in double digits. the bank got very

stubbornly high, still in double digits . the bank got very little digits. the bank got very little eteten— digits. the bank got very little eptten neettw— digits. the bank got very little option really, but— digits. the bank got very little option really, but to carry on pneeetne— option really, but to carry on pneeetne tne— option really, but to carry on pressing the pedal. i think we— pressing the pedal. i think we fight— pressing the pedal. i think you're right, mark. unfortunately- you're right, mark. unfortunately ,- you're right, mark. unfortunately , if. you're right, mark. unfortunately , if you're a hard unfortunately, if you're a hard pressed mortgage holder, you've got other personal loans is unked got other personal loans is linked to variable interest rates and inflation. in march, it did surprisingly stay in double digits 10.1. and that means that the nine members of the monetary policy committee sitting in the bank of england behind me, they're some of them may disagree, but think on may disagree, but i think on balance, will vote raise balance, they will vote to raise interest as say, for interest rates, as you say, for the time in a row , interest the 12th time in a row, interest rates will have gone up all the way from just 0.1. emergency lockdown levels at the end of 2021, all the way up to 4.25% now. and up i suggest in the next few minutes to 4.5% average variable mortgage rates of course will go up and other personal loans as i've said, good news for savers though . if good news for savers though. if you're saving if you're getting interest on your savings and

sometimes the banks pass on those interest rate rises, don't they ? sometimes they don't. that they? sometimes they don't. that rate of interest you're getting is still below the rate of is still well below the rate of inflation. we inflation. so it still, as we say in economics, negative in real terms. but i think the real issue today, mark, when this decision is made, is what the bank of england governor says in the press conference afterwards and after i report what the bank of england has done in just a few minutes time, i'll be scuttling into that building behind and seeing press behind and seeing a press conference with andrew bailey. we want know his view. we all want to know his view. the policy committee's the monetary policy committee's view interest rates are view of where interest rates are going after this, because as you say , this 0.25% interest rate say, this 0.25% interest rate rise is pretty much nailed on, as they say in financial markets. it's going to happen . markets. it's going to happen. financial markets are looking at 4.7, five, even 5% peak. but i suggest to you, mark, because i've been saying for quite a few weeks in our discussions here on gb news, if this april inflation number, which comes out next week, if it's seriously in single digits , i actually think

single digits, i actually think it could begin with an eight, it could be eight point something, then speculation will grow that this interest rate rise, which we're to unless i'm we're about to get, unless i'm very mistaken , will be the very much mistaken, will be the last as you say , we also last one. as you say, we also get this assessment from the bank as to where the economy is going. now, there is another group— going. now, there is another 9roup et— going. now, there is another 9roup et eetette— going. now, there is another 9roup et expene .— git “ti now, there is another group of experts , the national group of experts, the national tnetttete— group of experts, the national tnetttete et— group of experts, the national institute of economic social tteeeenen— institute of economic social research, saying, look, we teneeeettne— research, saying, look, we forecasting inflation will remain persistently than remain persistently higher than expected— remain persistently higher than expected .— remain persistently higher than expeetet . se— remain persistently higher than expected . so ending the year expected. so ending the year 5...— expected. so ending the year en. teee— expected. so ending the year 5.4, whereas the— expected. so ending the year 5.4, whereas the office for budget— 5.4, whereas the office for budget responsibility was saying like budget responsibility was saying ttte 2.9.— budget responsibility was saying ttte 2.9. tneee— budget responsibility was saying like 2.9. there are— budget responsibility was saying like 2.9. there are lots of tntnee— like 2.9. there are lots of things pushing- like 2.9. there are lots of things pushing and pulling in the things pushing and pulling in tne enew— things pushing and pulling in tne enew .— things pushing and pulling in the economy . and of course we the economy. and of course we get— the economy. and of course we get t— the economy. and of course we get t tntnt— the economy. and of course we get t tntnt tne— the economy. and of course we get i think the growth figures the— get i think the growth figures the friday— get i think the growth figures this friday to— get i think the growth figures this friday to actually give us an indication— this friday to actually give us an indication as— this friday to actually give us an indication as to where it's going— an indication as to where it's going .— an indication as to where it's going . t— an indication as to where it's going . t tntnt— an indication as to where it's going . i think stubborn is very going. i think stubborn is very neen— going. i think stubborn is very neen tne— going. i think stubborn is very much the word— going. i think stubborn is very much the word to— going. i think stubborn is very much the word to use to describe uk much the word to use to describe up tnttetten. — much the word to use to describe uk inflation. what— much the word to use to describe uk inflation. what a— much the word to use to describe uk inflation. i uk inflation. what a contrast from the word transitory, which is exactly what the bank of england governor in a ludicrous outburst was saying as late as november 2021, when inflation

was already approaching a 30 year high long before russia's invasion of ukraine by the way, there's lots of reasons why uk inflation is stubbornly high in the euro zone. inflation is now 6.9% in the states. it's just below 5. energy in america is much, much cheaper because they've got shale oil and gas energy in the eurozone and across most of western europe is cheaper because they spend a lot more state money subsidising energy prices. so stubbornly high energy prices here in the uk we did lots and lots of quantitative easing central bank money printing. we did more quantitative easing in just two years of lockdown than we did in the previous ten years, which followed the global financial crisis in 2018. but for me, the real reason that food price inflation is staying high, that's another big reason inflation is so stubbornly elevated . but the ultimate elevated. but the ultimate culprit of high inflation in this country is for me, energy prices. wholesale energy prices