well a very good afternoon, everybody. — well a very good afternoon, everybody. n-s— well a very good afternoon, everybody. it'sjust well a very good afternoon, everybody. it's just gone 3 pm. and— everybody. it's just gone 3 pm. and you-e— everybody. it's just gone 3 pm. and you're with— everybody. it's just gone 3 pm. and you're with me, patrick auntie-s— and you're with me, patrick christie's right— and you're with me, patrick christie's right here on gb news. — christie's right here on gb news. and— christie's right here on gb news. and here is what i've got coming— news. and here is what i've got coming for— news. and here is what i've got coming for you— news. and here is what i've got coming for you this hour. so, yes,— coming for you this hour. so, yee, money— coming for you this hour. so, yes, money, misery for millions as the— yes, money, misery for millions as the interest— yes, money, misery for millions as the interest rates go up again,— as the interest rates go up again, were— as the interest rates go up again, we're having a deep dive moo— again, we're having a deep dive moo-ome— again, we're having a deep dive into-this means- again, we're having a deep dive into-this means for- again, we're having a deep dive into this means for your into what this means for your oeoee— into what this means for your oveoemoee- - into what this means for your average-man. andl into what this means for your- average-man. and woman on average common man. and woman on the street. if it's affecting you, then touch. in other you, then get in touch. in other news as well, this— gig " dint in other news as well, this supposed 95. 5“ 51 in other news as well, this supposed bomb fire news as well, this supposed bomb fle of— news as well, this supposed bomb fire of eu— news as well, this supposed bomb fire of eu laws— news as well, this supposed bomb fire of eu laws that's now not happening. — fire of eu laws that's now not happening. i— fire of eu laws that's now not happening. i want to know why ion-o— happening. i want to know why ion-o io— happening. i want to know why isn't it happening? how have we been— isn't it happening? how have we been betrayed— isn't it happening? how have we been betrayed by— isn't it happening? how have we been betrayed by civil been betrayed by woke civil servants— been betrayed by woke civil servants e— been betrayed by woke civil servants ? the— been betrayed by woke civil servants ? the head of the civil servants? the head of the civil service— servants? the head of the civil service-n— servants? the head of the civil service is pleading with service union is pleading with usito— service union is pleading with usito noo— service union is pleading with us.to not call— service union is pleading with us to not call them woke or

us all to not call them woke or snowflakes. — us all to not call them woke or snowflakes. -find- us all to not call them woke or snowflakes. -find out. us all to not call them woke or. snowflakes. -find out about snowflakes. we'll find out about that. news well. that. in other news as well. zelenskyy, believe it or not, one—unrefine- zelenskyy, believe it or not,| the—ukraine has zelenskyy, believe it or not,- the_ukraine has got the president of ukraine has got a the president of ukraine has got e on— the president of ukraine has got e on on— the president of ukraine has got a bit of shade— the president of ukraine has got a bit of shade over— the president of ukraine has got a bit of shade over the eurovision_ a bit of shade over the eurovision concert being held in liverpool— eurovision concert being held in liverpool .— eurovision concert being held in liverpool . nee— eurovision concert being held in liverpool . he's saying that he liverpool. he's saying that he neouy— liverpool. he's saying that he really wanted _ liverpool. he's saying that he really wanted it— liverpool. he's saying that he really wanted it close to ukraine— really wanted it close to ukraine ukrainians could go ukraine so ukrainians could go to ukraine so ukrainians could go o n.— ukraine so ukrainians could go no nleon-o— ukraine so ukrainians could go to it.ican't help— ukraine so ukrainians could go to it. can't help but wonder to it. i can't help but wonder oneonen— to it. i can't help but wonder whether—being. whether or not he's being a none— whether or not he's being a little ungrateful little bit ungrateful here, given— little bit ungrateful here,- given—eonnnng little bit ungrateful here,- 9iven_stumpin9 up given that we are stumping up noonen— given that we are stumping up noonen o— given that we are stumping up nooneno too— given that we are stumping up rather a lot for— given that we are stumping up rather a lot for it. and of course, we did come second. and dare i say, well have course, we did come second. and dare i say,-well have woni dare i say, it may well have won it dare i say, it may well have won in n— dare i say, it may well have won in n n— dare i say, it may well have won in n n ween-o— dare i say, it may well have won it if it wasn't for,— dare i say, it may well have won it if it wasn't for, you know, anyway.— it if it wasn't for, you know, anyway. n— it if it wasn't for, you know, anyway. if you— it if it wasn't for, you know, anyway, if you happen to live neon-neon.- anyway, if you happen to live near beach, ladies and near a nudist beach, ladies and gentlemen. — near a nudist beach, ladies andj gentlemen. _right. gentlemen. yes, that's right. app....ny_ gentlemen. yes, that's right. apparently—prices. gentlemen. yes, that's right. l apparently—prices are apparently your house prices are plummeting.— apparently your house prices are plummeting. speaking plummeting. i will be speaking to plummeting. i will be speaking oo-une— plummeting. i will be speaking to-life nudist— plummeting. i will be speaking to-life nudist a- plummeting. i will be speaking to life nudist a little to a real life nudist a little on— to a real life nudist a little nee—one- to a real life nudist a little bit—the show.- to a real life nudist a little bit—the show. i to a real life nudist a little- bit_the show. let's bit later on in the show. let's i— bit later on in the show. let's i non-o— bit later on in the show. let's see. i don't give— bit later on in the show. let's see. i don't give what you bit later on in the show. let's see. i patrick ive what you bit later on in the show. let's see. i patrick christys what you bit later on in the show. let's see. i patrick christys on t you bit later on in the show. let's see. i patrick christys on . you bit later on in the show. let's see. i patrick christys on . gb| want. patrick christys on. gb news. get those emails coming in thick and fast. gb views our gb newe— thick and fast. gb views our gb news no. — thick and fast. gb views our gb wewe wk. .— thick and fast. gb views our gb news .uk. i want— thick and fast. gb views our gb news .uk. i want to— 1.

and do you feel like zelenskyy is cheeky, is being a little bit cheeky, throwing of shade on the throwing a bit of shade on the fact that we've now got eurovision liverpool? gb eurovision in liverpool? gb views at gb news .uk now eurovision in liverpool? gb- views at gb news .uk now though, it's views at gb news .uk now though, we wow— views at gb news .uk now though, it's your headlines— views at gb news .uk now though, it's your headlines .— views at gb news .uk now though, it's your headlines. _ views at gb news .uk now though, it's your headlines . 1: it's your headlines. good afternoon — it's your headlines. good afternoon it's— it's your headlines. good afternoon it's 3:02. - it's your headlines. 1: it's 3:02. i'm afternoon it's 3:02. i'm onionnon— afternoon it's 3:02. i'm rhiannon jones- it's 3:02. i'm rhiannon jones in the newsroom afternoon it's 3:02. i'm- rhiannon jones in the newsroom . rhiannon jones in the newsroom. n..— rhiannon jones in the newsroom. the chancellor— rhiannon jones in the newsroom. the chancellor says the bank of england-e— the chancellor says the bank of england's latest— the chancellor says the bank of england's latest interest rate nee— england's latest interest rate wm— england's latest interest rate rise will prove— england's latest interest rate rise will prove challenging for nominee— rise will prove challenging for families with— rise will prove challenging for families with mortgages. his comments come— families with mortgages. his comments come after the uk's eenwow— comments come after the uk's eenww nonw— comments come after the uk's central bank raised rates for one— central bank raised rates for one mn— central bank raised rates for the 12th time— central bank raised rates for the 12th time in— central bank raised rates for the 12th time in a row in the i2th time in a row in a funne— the i2th time in a row in a further attempt- the 12th time in a row in a further attempt to tackle eoonne— further attempt to tackle soaring inflation. the bank's nose— soaring inflation. the bank's none none— soaring inflation. the bank's base rate has— soaring inflation. the bank's base rate has increased by a onene— base rate has increased by a quarter on— base rate has increased by a onenen on o— base rate has increased by a quarter of a percentage point, nonn— quarter of a percentage point, from 4.25— quarter of a percentage point, from 4.25 no— quarter of a percentage point, from 4.25 to 4.5.— quarter of a percentage point, from 4.25 to 4.5. the highest level— from 4.25 to 4.5. the highest level in— from 4.25 to 4.5. the highest level in 15— from 4.25 to 4.5. the highest level in 15 years. _ from 4.25 to 4.5. the highest level in 15 years. jeremy hunt says— level in 15 years. jeremy hunt own one— level in 15 years. jeremy hunt says the measures will help nominee— says the measures will help nominee in— says the measures will help families in the— says the measures will help families in the long run, ownowen— families in the long run, although it's— families in the long run, although it's obviously good one— although it's obviously good news, the bank— although it's obviously good news, the bank is not now penning— news, the bank is not now predicting o— news, the bank is not now predicting a recession this ween — predicting a recession this year- we— predicting a recession this year- we won— predicting a recession this year. d “w; predicting a recession this year. d “g year. it's very challenging for families with mortgages to see interest rates go up, but unless we tackle rising prices as the

cost of living crisis will just continue. and that's why it is essential we stick to our plan to halve inflation. and if we do that, we can bring certainty back to family finances. that, we can bring certainty back to family finances . the back to family finances. the shadow chancellor, rachel reeves, meanwhile, says the rise will be of concern to many british households today will be a day of great anxiety for many families and businesses around the country who are facing the 12th increase in inaya rates in just a matter of months. that means higher mortgage costs already people have paid £1 billion more more in mortgage repayments compared to where they would have been six months ago.the they would have been six months ago. the uk's confirmed it's supplying ukraine with the long—range missiles it requested for its fight against russia . for its fight against russia. defence secretary ben wallace says— defence secretary ben wallace own one— defence secretary ben wallace says the donation _ defence secretary ben wallace says the donation of storm snooow— says the donation of storm shadow missiles gives ukraine the shadow missiles gives ukraine one neon— shadow missiles gives ukraine the best chance— shadow missiles gives ukraine the best chance to defend themselves.— the best chance to defend themselves. the decision follows new-e— themselves. the decision follows new-e repented— themselves. the decision follows kiev's repeated pleas for more

weoonen— kiev's repeated pleas for more weooneo non — kiev's repeated pleas for more weapons from the— kiev's repeated pleas for more weapons from the west. addressing— weapons from the west. addressing mps earlier , ben addressing mps earlier, ben wouoee— addressing mps earlier, ben wallace also— addressing mps earlier, ben wallace also said the united nations— wallace also said the united nations had— wallace also said the united nations had found russia has commented— nations had found russia has committed war— nations had found russia has committed war crimes. adley so far, committed war crimes. adley so fan on— committed war crimes. adley so fan on tenet— committed war crimes. adley so far, at least 23,000— committed war crimes. adley so far, at least 23,000 ukrainian nwwone— far, at least 23,000 ukrainian civilians have— far, at least 23,000 ukrainian civilians have been killed or wounded.— civilians have been killed or wounded, although the actual figure— wounded, although the actual figure in— wounded, although the actual figure is likely— wounded, although the actual figure is likely to be substantially higher . figure is likely to be— substantially higher . thousands substantially higher. thousands ofnwzene— substantially higher. thousands of citizens have been sent to sinister filtration camps before being forcibly relocated to russia . some 6000 children russia. some 6000 children ranging in ages from four months to 17 years, are now in, quote, re—education camps across russia . the un, as well as us investigators , have found that investigators, have found that russia has committed war crimes with reported evidence of executions , torture and sexual executions, torture and sexual violence in civilian areas . violence in civilian areas. elsewhere, pakistan supreme conn— elsewhere, pakistan supreme cown noe— elsewhere, pakistan supreme court has ordered for the neeoewe— court has ordered for the neeoewe on— court has ordered for the release of former prime minister wnnon— release of former prime minister wnnon onen— release of former prime minister wnnon knon eno— release of former prime minister imran khan and says his arrest illegal- — imran khan and says his arrest was illegal. mr— imran khan and says his arrest was illegal. sol.” was illegal. mr khan was arrested on tuesday by paramilitary officers in riot gear from a courtroom. it sparked widespread protests

across the country , with more across the country, with more than a thousand arrested, forcing the government to call in the army to help restore order . back here, in the army to help restore order. back here, rail services run by operator transpennine express are to be brought under government control. the transport secretary has announced. the decision follows continuous cancellations . mark continuous cancellations. mark harper says the firms contract won't be extended , nor will it won't be extended, nor will it be renewed. the department of transport will instead take over from may the 28th. the train operator, which covers the northern england and runs in parts of scotland, saw 1 in 6 services, cancelled in march. west yorkshire mayor tracy brabin welcomed the move but said it won't happen overnight. this is a victory today for commuters in— this is a victory today for commuters in the north who are new— commuters in the north who are new no— commuters in the north who are new no one— commuters in the north who are sick to the back— commuters in the north who are sick to the back .— commuters in the north who are sick to the back . teeth have sick to the back. teeth have been— sick to the back. teeth have been let— sick to the back. teeth have been let down— sick to the back. teeth have been let down by government and newe— been let down by government and nowe suffered— been let down by government and have suffered for— been let down by government and have suffered for far too long. at have suffered for far too long. we one— have suffered for far too long. we the nones— have suffered for far too long. at the hands of— have suffered for far too long. at the hands of this— have suffered for far too long. at the hands of this failing company with delays and cancelled actions, derailing

lives and our ambitions for a strong northern economy . the strong northern economy. the duchess of edinburgh- d the duchess of edinburgh has given her duchess of edinburgh has given new neonnew— duchess of edinburgh has given her heartfelt thoughts and prayers— her heartfelt thoughts and wowene oo— her heartfelt thoughts and wowene no n— her heartfelt thoughts and prayers to a woman in her 80s wno— prayers to a woman in her 80s wno woe— prayers to a woman in her 80s wno nio— prayers to a woman in her 80s wno no ow— prayers to a woman in her 80s who was hit by a— prayers to a woman in her 80s who was hit by a police motorbike— who was hit by a police motorbike escorting the royal. one— motorbike escorting the royal. the wet— motorbike escorting the royal. the met police— motorbike escorting the royal. the met police says— motorbike escorting the royal. the met police says the- the met police says the collision took place yesterday in earl's court in west london. buckingham palace says the duchess is grateful for the swift response by the emergency services in including the air ambulance. the woman remains in ambulance. the woman remains in a critical condition in hospital pued a critical condition in hospital plied comrie have appointed claire griffith as interim leader. it follows the resignation of adam price last night after a report into the welsh nationalist party's culture here. the report found the party had failed to implement a zero tolerance approach to sexual harassment, bullying and misogyny . the bullying and misogyny. the appointment will be subject to ratification by the party's national council on saturday, and the bbc has found there were

no concerns about richard sharp's integrity whilst he was chairman of the broadcaster for a bbc. conflicts of interest review was commissioned following mr sharp's resignation from the corporation in april after he was found to have breached the rules for public appointments . acas this is gb appointments. acas this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now, though, it's back to . to. patrick okay, well, we start today with the story that literally affects absolutely every single one of us. that is the economy, and onen— us. that is the economy, and one we— us. that is the economy, and one ie one— us. that is the economy, and that is the fact— c»; that is the economy, and that is the fact that “5 that is the economy, and that is the fact that there's noo— that is the fact that there's more bad news— that is the fact that there's more bad news for millions of homeowners. the— more bad news for millions of homeowners. the bank of england has homeowners. the bank of england nee-ne— homeowners. the bank of england non-no onse— homeowners. the bank of england has-its base rate- homeowners. the bank of england has-its base rate to- has increased its base rate to es.— has increased its base rate to we. we— has increased its base rate to we. we one— has increased its base rate to 4.5. it's the 12th— has increased its base rate to 4.5. it's the 12th consecutive nee— 4.5. it's the 12th consecutive no one— 4.5. it's the 12th consecutive rise as the central bank tries to gen— rise as the central bank tries to gen o— rise as the central bank tries no gen o grip— rise as the central bank tries no gen o grip on— rise as the central bank tries to get a grip on inflation. i am joined— to get a grip on inflation. i am joined in— to get a grip on inflation. i am joined in one— to get a grip on inflation. i am joined in the studio by gb news economies— joined in the studio by gb news economics and— joined in the studio by gb news economics and business editor nonn— economics and business editor won halligan— economics and business editor liam halligan for— economics and business editor liam halligan for a whole host of liam halligan for a whole host on different— liam halligan for a whole host of different elements to this winn— of different elements to this wnn 0n— of different elements to this wnn on one — of different elements to this

with on the money . ciro/q 5“ with on the money. okay. i mean, now— with on the money. okay. i mean, how bad is this for people? well, i've just hotfooted it been— well, i've just hotfooted it been from — well, i've just hotfooted it back from the _ well, i've just hotfooted it back from the bank of england eno— back from the bank of england and we— back from the bank of england and we owe— back from the bank of england and we we oe— back from the bank of england and we did as expected, get the non— and we did as expected, get the non interest— and we did as expected, get the 12th interest rate— and we did as expected, get the 12th interest rate rise in a renee— 12th interest rate rise in a row. rates have- 12th interest rate rise in a row. rates have now increased nonn— row. rates have now increased from wen— row. rates have now increased fromjust0-1-_ row. rates have now increased from just 0.1. those ultra low neooneouw— from just 0.1. those ultra low historically emerge urgency levele— historically emerge urgency levels on— historically emerge urgency levels at the— historically emerge urgency levels at the end of lockdown, nonem— levels at the end of lockdown, noweno point— levels at the end of lockdown, nought point 1%_ levels at the end of lockdown, nought point 1% all the way up oo— nought point 1% all the way up no es. — nought point 1% all the way up no we. we— nought point 1% all the way up now to 4.5. we can— nought point 1% all the way up now to 4.5. we can see the graph onene— now to 4.5. we can see the graph onene nook— now to 4.5. we can see the graph onene been in— now to 4.5. we can see the graph there back in 2017,— now to 4.5. we can see the graph there back in 2017, 18, 19, interest— there back in 2017, 18, 19, interest rates— there back in 2017, 18, 19, interest rates are going up gnoowouw— interest rates are going up gradually oo— interest rates are going up gradually to three quarters of a % eh...— gradually to three quarters of a % then lockdown— gradually to three quarters of a % then lockdown happened, nought point— % then lockdown happened, nought point 1.— % then lockdown happened, nought point w one— % then lockdown happened, nought point 1, the lowest— % then lockdown happened, nought point 1, the lowest in history. ano— point 1, the lowest in history. and onene— point 1, the lowest in history. one were won— point 1, the lowest in history. and there you see the escalator on one — and there you see the escalator on one nonw— and there you see the escalator on the right, the— and there you see the escalator on the right, the staircase increase all— on the right, the staircase increase all the way up to 4.5. n..— increase all the way up to 4.5. one nieneeo— increase all the way up to 4.5. the highest in— increase all the way up to 4.5. the highest in 15— increase all the way up to 4.5. the highest in 15 years. now one— the highest in 15 years. now we went— the highest in 15 years. now this wasn't unexpected. if you are on a variable— this wasn't unexpected. if you are on a variable rate mortgage, one— are on a variable rate mortgage, one win— are on a variable rate mortgage, one win one.— are on a variable rate mortgage, this will add, you— are on a variable rate mortgage, this will add, you know, between 50 this will add, you know, between so one— this will add, you know, between 50 and whatever— this will add, you know, between 50 and whatever ,_ this will add, you know, between 50 and whatever , however high it 50 and whatever, however high it goes.— 50 and whatever, however high it goes. depending— 50 and whatever, however high it goes, depending on the size of wow— goes, depending on the size of wow none— goes, depending on the size of your home loan.— goes, depending on the size of your home loan. but here's eonetnine— your home loan. but here's something quite interesting. newton— something quite interesting. newton ow— something quite interesting. patrick did you— something quite interesting. patrick did you know that of .

patrick did you know that of. tne — patrick did you know that of. tne woe— patrick did you know that of. the 10.5 million— patrick did you know that of. the 10.5 million mortgages in the the 10.5 million mortgages in we uk.— the 10.5 million mortgages in we we. eon/o— the 10.5 million mortgages in the uk, 80% of— the 10.5 million mortgages in the uk, 80% of them are actually on fixed— the uk, 80% of them are actually on need tes— the uk, 80% of them are actually on fixed rates. so— the uk, 80% of them are actually on fixed rates. so this won't tnnnnettetew— on fixed rates. so this won't immediately affect those householders. - immediately affect those householders. on the other hand , a householders. on the other hand . e tot— householders. on the other hand . e tot ot— householders. on the other hand , a lot of those— householders. on the other hand , a lot of those fixed rates expire— , a lot of those fixed rates expire .— , a lot of those fixed rates soon expire . yes. and when they soon expire. yes. and when they expire— soon expire. yes. and when they expire .— soon expire. yes. and when they expire . oeoote— soon expire. yes. and when they expire , people remortgaging. if expire, people remortgaging. if new— expire, people remortgaging. if tnew newne— expire, people remortgaging. if tnew maybe got— expire, people remortgaging. if they maybe got their mortgage test.— they maybe got their mortgage test. wnen— they maybe got their mortgage back, when those— they maybe got their mortgage back, when those interest rates teetw— back, when those interest rates were really low,— back, when those interest rates were really low, they're going to get— were really low, they're going to get e— were really low, they're going to get a shock.— were really low, they're going to get a shock. so what we also got— to get a shock. so what we also got totew— to get a shock. so what we also got totew nonn— to get a shock. so what we also got today from the _ to get a shock. so what we also got today from the bank of tnetent— got today from the bank of england wasn't— got today from the bank of england wasn't just that interest— england wasn't just that interest also interest rate decision. we also got— interest rate decision. we also got e— interest rate decision. we also got e neon— interest rate decision. we also got a much bigger quarterly assessment— got a much bigger quarterly assessment of— got a much bigger quarterly assessment of the state of the uk economy— assessment of the state of the uk economy . — assessment of the state of the uk economy . assessment of the state of the uk economy. cite/q / assessment of the state of the uk economy . cite/q 1455 5“ �*vw�*t5ee uk economy. okay. yeah. well, talk to a bit about that talk to me a bit about that because i mean, actually that's growth numbers, isn't it? yeah. so bank of england up until so the bank of england up until now been extremely now has been extremely pessimistic. me pessimistic. and people like me have them have really criticised them along criticising the imf along with criticising the imf for too pessimistic about for being too pessimistic about the back in the uk economy. back in november, the bank was saying that the uk economy would stay in recession . with the economy in recession. with the economy getting smaller all of this yeah getting smaller all of this year, 2023 and most of 2024 as well. they have now done a complete what we call in journalism , reverse ferret on journalism, reverse ferret on that. have completely that. they have completely turned their telescope around

the other way . rather than being the other way. rather than being really, really pessimistic. they're saying there they're now saying that there will growth in the uk economy will be growth in the uk economy this and there will be this year and there will be growth in the economy next this year and there will be grothnd the economy next this year and there will be grothnd the justtnomy next this year and there will be grothnd the just completely year. and that's just completely right. a recognition of right. that is a recognition of reality. but that does mean that inflation could be higher than they otherwise thought it would be because you've got that strength of growth . now, the strength of growth. now, the bank of england governor and drew bailey, after the interest rate decision happened and i was talking to mark longhurst from outside bank england outside the bank of england at midday happened, i midday when it happened, then i scuttled i spent an scuttled inside and i spent an hour and other hour with the governor and other senior officials, with other journalists and senior officials, with other jourgovernor and senior officials, with other jourgovernor said and senior officials, with other jourgovernor said there and senior officials, with other jourgovernor said there a he the governor said there that he thinks that inflation, currently 10.1, will come down to 8.2. and in what we call the second quarter, that's months four, five and six of the year. so april, may and june. so look, this cost of living crisis is easing . i this cost of living crisis is easing. i think this cost of living crisis is easing . i think when the next easing. i think when the next inflation number comes out in a couple of weeks time, the number for april , it couple of weeks time, the number for april, it will be much couple of weeks time, the number for april , it will be much lower for april, it will be much lower than today's 10.1% number. it will start with an

will probably start with an eight. the bank england eight. but the bank of england is saying that it doesn't think this will last interest this will be the last interest rate rise because we getting rate rise because we are getting that indeed financial that growth and indeed financial markets into markets have priced in now into rates going all the way up to 4.75, even 5% over the summer months. now, i 4.75, even 5% over the summer months . now, i usually 4.75, even 5% over the summer months. now, i usually in sttwetons— months. now, i usually in situations like— now, i usually in situations like this and i think a situations like this and i think e tot— situations like this and i think e tot ot— situations like this and i think e tot ot oeoote— situations like this and i think a lot of people do, they quite twe— a lot of people do, they quite like someone— a lot of people do, they quite like someone to— a lot of people do, they quite like someone to blame when tntnes— like someone to blame when tnrnes ee— like someone to blame when things are going— like someone to blame when things are going wrong. okay. is tnere— things are going wrong. okay. is there-actually- things are going wrong. okay. is there actually really to there anyone actually really to tterne— there anyone actually really to tteneltnrse— there anyone actually really to blame-this?-this- blame for this? has this been tet— blame for this? has this been bad management fundamentally of our bad management fundamentally of oer—wett— bad management fundamentally of oer—wet. tre- bad management fundamentally of our—well, the bank- bad management fundamentally of our—well, the bank of. our economy? well, the bank of england governor all england governor and all the officials, happy to officials, they're very happy to blame vladimir putin. they say, oh for the war in oh, if it wasn't for the war in ukraine, if it wasn't for those pesky kids they used to say in scooby as often point scooby de. but as i often point out, don't me for it. out, they don't thank me for it. uk already at a 30 uk inflation was already at a 30 year high before the war in ukraine in december and january 2022, before putin invaded . in 2022, before putin invaded. in february 2022. look, there's no doubt about it. the war in ukraine has massively aggravated inflation. it's led to a big spike in energy prices and indeed food prices. but inflation was already 5.5,

getting on for three times the bank of england's 2% target before the war in ukraine. so i think it's a combination of things. what i think the bank of england did get wrong and i felt this for a long time, it used to be a minority view. it's now increasingly a consensus view. they didn't start raising interest rates quickly enough when clear before the war when it was clear before the war in ukraine that inflation was coming down the track. a lot of this we've got now this inflation we've got now isn't because of the war in ukraine. of ukraine. it's not a cost of living patrick. it's a living crisis, patrick. it's a cost of lockdown crisis. when living crisis, patrick. it's a cost shuttckdown crisis. when living crisis, patrick. it's a cost shut down in crisis. when living crisis, patrick. it's a cost shut down the 'isis. when living crisis, patrick. it's a costshut down the globalhen living crisis, patrick. it's a cost shut down the global economy you shut down the global economy for the best part of two years and then suddenly you reopen it again and businesses can't supply goods and services supply the goods and services quickly enough because they've been down for two years. been locked down for two years. then going get a wall been locked down for two years. thdemand going get a wall been locked down for two years. th demand hitting get a wall been locked down for two years. th demand hitting a get a wall been locked down for two years. th demand hitting a fixeda wall been locked down for two years. th demand hitting a fixed level of demand hitting a fixed level of demand hitting a fixed level of supply, and prices are going to up. so we've had that to go up. so we've had that lockdown the in lockdown, plus the war in ukraine that's brought us to this of living you this cost of living crisis. you mentioned there the global lockdown, basically lockdown, which it basically was. so how are we doing now in a was. so how are we doing now in e etotet— was. so how are we doing now in a global context? _ so how are we doing now in a global context? 1

a global context? because too all often when we talk, there's negative stuff splashed across all of the front of the newspapers. britain's in massive teetrne— newspapers. britain's in massive teetrne ent— newspapers. britain's in massive decline and they— newspapers. britain's in massive decline and they don't- britain's in massive decline and they don't in decline and they don't factor in now— decline and they don't factor in now-eetwetw— decline and they don't factor in how actually doing how we're actually doing eornoeret— how we're actually doing compared-eu.- how we're actually doing compared eu. america how we're actually doing- compared-eu. america to compared to the eu. america to enotner— compared to the eu. america to enotner too— compared to the eu. america to another top nations . �*fw�*r5ee another top nations. well, i've teen— another top nations. well, i've been e— another top nations. well, i've been a foreign correspondent in various parts of the world. i've never come across a media class like the brits. we're so determined to talk ourselves down a lot of the rest of down when a lot of the rest of the world is thinking, oh, brits are doing pretty well. clearly, yeah, doing pretty well. so, look, is we a look, the reality is we had a much fall in national much deeper fall in our national income during lockdown than pretty any other country. pretty much any other country. it's the it's partly because of the way we measure because we measure it, partly because our very, very, our lockdown was very, very, very we've very harsh. and then we've bounced so in 2021 and bounced back. so in 2021 and 2022, you won't see this on the front of many newspapers, but the uk grew faster than any other g7 economy, even in 2022. now the imf says we're going to grow slower in 2023, and all the journalists , they report the journalists, they report the forecast rather than the actual outcome from the previous previous year. i don't think we're going to be the slowest growing economy in the g7 this year at i think we're doing

year at all. i think we're doing okay. well, we're not doing okay. well, we're not doing okay. patrick is on inflation because our inflation, as i said, is still 10.1. that's the march number in the american april number, which comes out earlier than ours , is 4.9, much, earlier than ours, is 4.9, much, much lower . so less earlier than ours, is 4.9, much, much lower. so less than 5, even the eurozone, which has had lots of wage inflation, lots of industrial unrest, you're seeing that in germany. you're seeing that in germany. you're seeing that in germany. you're seeing that in france. their inflation rate is already down at 7. again ours is 10.1. so the bank of england governor was saying for months months and months , months and months and months, don't worry, boy. yeah don't worry, old boy. yeah inflation is going to be transitory. it'll be fine. far from transitory , uk inflation from transitory, uk inflation has been higher. it's persisted for longer and it's been much more stubborn in terms of coming down than any other major economy. that's where we're not doing well. liam, thank you very.— doing well. liam, thank you very. very— doing well. liam, thank you werw. wew neon.— r:r5r “g liam, thank you very, very much. liam halligan tnere— very, very much. liam halligan were our— very, very much. liam halligan there our economics with there our economics editor with on—ent— there our economics editor with on—ent rt-s- there our economics editor with on—ent its on- there our economics editor with on_and it's on that. on the money and it's on that ootrtreet— on the money and it's on that political angle— on the money and it's on that political angle of— on the money and it's on that political angle of it because tnrs— political angle of it because we wes— political angle of it because this was one— political angle of it because this was one of— political angle of it because this was one of rishi sunak's otetees— this was one of rishi sunak's wedges-rte - this was one of rishi sunak's pledges,-it? i'll- this was one of rishi sunak's pledges, it? a pledges, wasn't it? i'll have inflation. i'll have inflation. i'm deputy i'm joined now by our deputy ootrtreet—

i'm joined now by our deputyi political—harwood, political editor, tom harwood, wno—tor- political editor, tom harwood, wno—tor wsi who is in westminster for us. tom.— who is in westminster for us. torn-wow— who is in westminster for us. torn-wow very- who is in westminster for us. tom, you very much . the tom, thank you very much. the routine— tom, thank you very much. the political fallout— tom, thank you very much. the political fallout from today's rnttetron— political fallout from today's inflation figures— political fallout from today's inflation figures says interest rete— inflation figures says interest rete nse— inflation figures says interest rete es— inflation figures says interest rate rise as well.— inflation figures says interest rate rise as well. ' “1 rate rise as well. and what we can expect going forward will be bad news for rishi sunak as liam was saying, though, it's not all his fault . no, it certainly his fault. no, it certainly tset— his fault. no, it certainly isn't. however,- 5“ no, it certainly isn't. however, opposition oertres— isn't. however, opposition oertres newe— isn't. however, opposition parties have been very adept in trying— parties have been very adept in twrne to— parties have been very adept in twrne to pin— parties have been very adept in twrne to pin rt— parties have been very adept in trying to pin it independent tensions— trying to pin it independent decisions of— trying to pin it independent decisions of the bank of england noon— decisions of the bank of england upon ootrtreet— decisions of the bank of england upon political decision ins of number— upon political decision ins of number ten— upon political decision ins of number ten and— upon political decision ins of number ten and indeed the treeswrw— number ten and indeed the rreesww. ant— number ten and indeed the treasury. and to— number ten and indeed the treasury. and to some extent tnere— treasury. and to some extent tnere rs— treasury. and to some extent there is some— treasury. and to some extent there is some truth in that. if tnere— there is some truth in that. if tnere rs— there is some truth in that. if there is looser— there is some truth in that. if there is looser fiscal policy, we— there is looser fiscal policy, the orthodoxy— there is looser fiscal policy, the orthodoxy goes there must be totter— the orthodoxy goes there must be trgnter rnonetew— the orthodoxy goes there must be tighter monetary policy to try ent— tighter monetary policy to try ent tetenee— tighter monetary policy to try and balance that— tighter monetary policy to try and balance that out and indeed, it wes— and balance that out and indeed, it tne— and balance that out and indeed, it was the case— and balance that out and indeed, it was the case that— and balance that out and indeed, it was the case that we saw strentw— it was the case that we saw slightly looser— it was the case that we saw slightly looser monetary policy in slightly looser monetary policy tn tne— slightly looser monetary policy tn we run— slightly looser monetary policy tn tne wo— slightly looser monetary policy in the run up to— slightly looser monetary policy in the run up to that mini—budget, which of course wnteesnet— mini—budget, which of course wnteesnet e— mini—budget, which of course unleashed a looser fiscal potty.— unleashed a looser fiscal oottew. wow.— unleashed a looser fiscal policy. now, that sent a lot of oeoote— policy. now, that sent a lot of people worried— policy. now, that sent a lot of people worried and expectation of tnterest— people worried and expectation of interest rates— people worried and expectation of interest rates spiking now , of interest rates spiking now, it of interest rates spiking now, tt nest— of interest rates spiking now, tt rnwst te— of interest rates spiking now, it must be said— of interest rates spiking now, it must be said at the same ttrne— it must be said at the same ttrne. we—

it must be said at the same ttrne. we ott— it must be said at the same time, we did also see tighter rnonetew— time, we did also see tighter rnonetew pottew— time, we did also see tighter monetary policy from the federal ttesewe— monetary policy from the federal ttesewe tn— monetary policy from the federal ttesewe tn tne— monetary policy from the federal reserve in the united states, tron— reserve in the united states, from we— reserve in the united states, from the european central bank as from the european central bank es-oerneos— from the european central bank es-oerneos-not- from the european central bank as-perhaps-not all| as well. so perhaps it's not all as well. so perhaps it's not all e tw— as well. so perhaps it's not all e to soeettte— as well. so perhaps it's not all a uk specific factor, but oteertw— a uk specific factor, but clearly the _ a uk specific factor, but clearly the politics of this all got ttet — clearly the politics of this all got ttet wo— clearly the politics of this all got tied up with— clearly the politics of this all got tied up with that sense of the mini—budget— got tied up with that sense of the mini—budget back in october and the mini—budget back in october end we— the mini—budget back in october end we nes— the mini—budget back in october and that has bred— the mini—budget back in october and that has bred dividends for nerttewter— and that has bred dividends for oerttewter tne— and that has bred dividends for particular the labour party, who in particular the labour party, who tn tne— particular the labour party, who tn we run— particular the labour party, who tn tne wn— particular the labour party, who tn tne no to— particular the labour party, who in the run up to the local eteettons— in the run up to the local elections release a tool called a elections release a tool called e rnorteeee— elections release a tool called a mortgage calculator where they snowet— a mortgage calculator where they snowet test— a mortgage calculator where they showed just how— a mortgage calculator where they showed just how much mortgages and showed just how much mortgages ent rnorteeee— showed just how much mortgages and mortgage costs have risen for and mortgage costs have risen tor tne— and mortgage costs have risen for the average— and mortgage costs have risen for the average brit in the last 7 for the average brit in the last tor— for the average brit in the last tor 8— for the average brit in the last 7 or 8 months. _ for the average brit in the last 7 or 8 months. now this is otwtowstw— 7 or 8 months. now this is obviously all— 7 or 8 months. now this is obviously all tying itself into a sense of general disquiet and dissatisfaction— a sense of general disquiet and dissatisfaction with the government _ dissatisfaction with the government that has started to store— government that has started to sttte teet— government that has started to slide back again— government that has started to slide back again in those ootnton— slide back again in those opinion polls— slide back again in those opinion polls with the labour party— opinion polls with the labour terry newne— opinion polls with the labour terry newtne e— opinion polls with the labour party having a little bounce etter— party having a little bounce etter tne— party having a little bounce after the local— party having a little bounce after the local elections. wowee— after the local elections. however whether or not this is all however whether or not this is ett strtettw— however whether or not this is all strictly speaking, accurate eenoetentne— all strictly speaking, accurate oernoetentne ts— all strictly speaking, accurate campaigning is another question. the campaigning is another question. tne ttteret— campaigning is another question. the liberal democrats

spokeswoman, sarah olney , has spokeswoman, sarah olney, has teen— spokeswoman, sarah olney, has teen ont— spokeswoman, sarah olney, has teen out totew— spokeswoman, sarah olney, has been out today blaming jeremy went— been out today blaming jeremy went on— been out today blaming jeremy went on tnts— been out today blaming jeremy hunt on this interest rate rise . ot— hunt on this interest rate rise . or course— hunt on this interest rate rise . of course, this— hunt on this interest rate rise . of course, this isn't a teetston— . of course, this isn't a decision of— . of course, this isn't a decision of the treasury. this is decision of the treasury. this ts e— decision of the treasury. this is a decision— decision of the treasury. this is a decision of— decision of the treasury. this is a decision of the bank of tngtent. — is a decision of the bank of england. and— is a decision of the bank of england. “1 england. and yeah, absolutely. look, tom, thank you very much. that's the political reaction anyway to today's economic announcement. tom our announcement. tom harwood, our tenwtw— announcement. tom harwood, our teowtw ootttteet— announcement. tom harwood, our deputy political editor. - announcement. tom harwood, our deputy political editor. i- 1 tom harwood, our deputy political editor. 5“ deputy political editor. i mean, homeowners mortgages homeowners on variable mortgages , i'm reading this , for example, i'm reading this in payment of in an annual payment increase of just over £7,000, which is i mean, absolutely nothing to be sniffed at. is it? it is pretty snoettne. — sniffed at. is it? it is pretty snoettne. t— sniffed at. is it? it is pretty shocking. i just— ”751 is it? it is pretty shocking. i just want to know as wett— shocking. i just want to know as wett tron — shocking. i just want to know as wett from your— shocking. i just want to know as well from you, though, whether or not— well from you, though, whether or not wow— well from you, though, whether or not your starting hold or not your starting to hold wow—to- or not your starting to hold your—to blamei your local shops to blame a true— your local shops to blame a ttttte ott— your local shops to blame a little bit because is little bit because there is serious profiteering in serious talk of profiteering in toeet— serious talk of profiteering in toeet-wow- serious talk of profiteering in local your supermarket local goods in your supermarket . so— local goods in your supermarket . so wnen— local goods in your supermarket . so wnen wow— local goods in your supermarket . so wnen you 90— local goods in your supermarket . so when you go down the local stops— . so when you go down the local stops-wow— . so when you go down the local snoos-wow-eet- . so when you go down the local shops-you-get your. shops and you go to get your ewereee tor— shops and you go to get your average, for example, and average, for example, bread and outer— average, for example, bread and better-tr— average, for example, bread and twtter-tt-tt- butter goods, as it were, if wow-rt— butter goods, as it were, if you'll excuse— butter goods, as it were, if you'll excuse the pun there, wnetner— you'll excuse the pun there, wnetner or— you'll excuse the pun there, whether or not— you'll excuse the pun there, whether or not those prices are tetne— whether or not those prices are being-inflated- whether or not those prices are being-inflated or. being artificially inflated or not.— being artificially inflated or not—to— being artificially inflated or not—to 90- being artificially inflated or not._to go now. being artificially inflated ori not._to go now to not. but i want to go now to women— not. but i want to go now to northern ireland— not. but i want to go now to northern ireland to to northern ireland to speak to newt— northern ireland to speak to david—david. northern ireland to speak to david—david is| david gibson. now, david is a terrner— david gibson. now, david is a terrner ent— david gibson. now, david is a farmer and over— david gibson. now, david is a farmer and over the course of tnts— farmer and over the course of we snow.— farmer and over the course of we snow. tn— farmer and over the course of this show, i'm going to be newne— this show, i'm going to be newtne-et- this show, i'm going to be having-at how- this show, i'm going to be having at how the this show, i'm going to be- having-at how the economy having a look at how the economy is having a look at how the economy ts-e— having a look at how the economy ts-e wertetw— is impacting a variety of tttterent— is impacting a variety of- different _variety different sectors and a variety of different sectors and a variety ot-oeoote. -

different sectors and a variety ot-oeoote. ant- different sectors and a variety of people. and david, of different people. and david, it's of different people. and david, tt-s—wow- of different people. and david, tt-s—wow i it's great to have you on. then— it's great to have you on. tnent vou— it's great to have you on. thank you very,- it's great to have you on. . thank you very,-much. thank you very, very much. worse telling us exactly where you— worse telling us exactly where wow-es— worse telling us exactly where wow-es wett— worse telling us exactly where you as well, because there's worse telling us exactly where y( lot as well, because there's worse telling us exactly where ytlot going nell, because there's worse telling us exactly where y( lot going nell, becauyou here's worse telling us exactly where ytlot going nell, becauyou there. a lot going on behind you there. but a lot going on behind you there. not not— a lot going on behind you there. net but now— a lot going on behind you there. but but how are— a lot going on behind you there. but but how are the— a lot going on behind you there. but but how are the latest- but but how are the latest interest really affecting interest rates really affecting you? what's of impacts you? what's what kind of impacts are you? what's what kind of impacts ere—ent- are going to have on you and wow— are going to have on you and wow tntwstrw— are going to have on you and wow tntwstw e— are going to have on you and your industry ? i— are going to have on you and your industry ? i suppose it's an your industry? i suppose it's an tntwstw— your industry? i suppose it's an tntwstw tnet— your industry? i suppose it's an industry that is— your industry? i suppose it's an industry that is currently twtne— industry that is currently twtne to— industry that is currently trying to expand and interest retes— trying to expand and interest retes going— trying to expand and interest retes going wo— trying to expand and interest rates going up at the minute . rates going up at the minute. terers— rates going up at the minute. farmers having— rates going up at the minute. farmers having to— rates going up at the minute. farmers having to go- rates going up at the minute. farmers having to go into- rates going up at the minute. farmers having to go into debt to expand, especially in the dairy industry and other sectors and those interest rates rising , they're really going to hurt being ability to invest and to borrow money at sensible prices that are realistically can be paid back over the course of that investment . but but david, that investment. but but david, etweetors— that investment. but but david, etweetors .— that investment. but but david, etweetors . e— that investment. but but david, educators , a bit— that investment. but but david, educators , a bit on— that investment. but but david, educators , a bit on how- but but david, educators , a bit on how much educators, a bit on how much terrners— educators, a bit on how much terrners rew— educators, a bit on how much farmers rely on— educators, a bit on how much farmers rely on this and what ttnt— farmers rely on this and what ttnt ot— farmers rely on this and what kind of level— farmers rely on this and what kind of level of— farmers rely on this and what kind of level of borrowing we're tetttne— kind of level of borrowing we're tetttne etowt— kind of level of borrowing we're talking about here, really. i mean, how does— talking about here, really. i mean, how does it- talking about here, really. i mean, how does it work in the agriculture industry . well, one agriculture industry. well, one of the agriculture industry. well, one or tne tteeest— agriculture industry. well, one of the biggest sectors- agriculture industry. well, one of the biggest sectors is- of the biggest sectors is orotettw— of the biggest sectors is probably dairy. that's not the setor— probably dairy. that's not the setor tn— probably dairy. that's not the sector i'm involved in. but if you— sector i'm involved in. but if you went— sector i'm involved in. but if you went to— sector i'm involved in. but if you want to expand in dairy, wow-re— you want to expand in dairy, youre tetttne— you want to expand in dairy, you're talking half £1 million ent— you're talking half £1 million ent-tetw— you're talking half £1 million ent-tetw set— you're talking half £1 million and-dairy set up- you're talking half £1 million and dairy set up you and your dairy set up and you stereo— and your dairy set up and you stereo to— and your dairy set up and you

shared to-at_ and your dairy set up and you shared to-at least- and your dairy set up and you shared to at least 100 shared to house at least 100 entrnets. — shared to house at least 100 animals. you— shared to house at least 100 animals. /t5. animals. you know, that's a significant investment which takes years and and years takes years and years and years to back so much like any to pay back so much like any other industry. it is it is hard ttrnes— other industry. it is it is hard ttnes et— other industry. it is it is hard ttnes et tne— other industry. it is it is hard times at the minute,- 1 it is it is hard times at the minute, but the tnterest— times at the minute, but the interest-going- times at the minute, but the interest going you interest rates going up, you know.— interest rates going up, you know-ot— interest rates going up, you know, of farmers are going know, a lot of farmers are going to newe— know, a lot of farmers are going to newe to— know, a lot of farmers are going to have to think— know, a lot of farmers are going to have to think twice about wnetner— to have to think twice about wnetner-to— to have to think twice about whether to prepared whether they're to prepared eetwettw—tti whether they're to prepared- actually _ if people actually invest. and if people want to produce is want to buy produce that is produced uk, it is produced in the uk, it is produced in the uk, it is produced you know, produced locally. you know, there's produced locally. you know, tnere-s going— produced locally. you know, there's going _ be i there's going to have to be a nrerntwrn— there's going to have to be a prentwrn-ant- there's going to have to be a premium and rightly premium on that. and rightly so. and premium on that. and rightly so. ant-rete— premium on that. and rightly so. ant-tet-s tnte- premium on that. and rightly so. and-let's take this- and so, david, let's take this to conclusion. ian, to its natural conclusion. ian, if nothing gets better- ian, if nothing gets better anytime soon-reetttw— if nothing gets better anytime soon,-reality for- if nothing gets better anytime soon, reality for farmers is soon, the reality for farmers is pretty— soon, the reality for farmers is pretty tweet.— soon, the reality for farmers is pretty bleak. but— soon, the reality for farmers is pretty bleak. but the reality for customers— pretty bleak. but the reality for customers who want to buy trtttsn— for customers who want to buy british produce— for customers who want to buy british produce is— for customers who want to buy british produce is that you're ettner— british produce is that you're ettner going— british produce is that you're either going to— british produce is that you're either going to have to pay a toet— either going to have to pay a toet more— either going to have to pay a load more for— either going to have to pay a load more for it— either going to have to pay a load more for it or you're not going— load more for it or you're not going to— load more for it or you're not going to te— load more for it or you're not going to be able— load more for it or you're not going to be able to. and the oeonte— going to be able to. and the people benefiting out of all of tnts— people benefiting out of all of this-presumably- people benefiting out of all of this presumably you're an this are presumably you're an etsotwtetw— this are presumably you're an absolutely foreign absolutely massive foreign producers— absolutely massive foreign orotweers .— absolutely massive foreign producers , both making for. producers, both making for. correct.— producers, both making for. correct. ant — producers, both making for. correct. and then— producers, both making for. correct. and then you've got the whole environmental thing coming in as well. everybody wants net terntne— in as well. everybody wants net zero farming to— in as well. everybody wants net zero farming to be— in as well. everybody wants net zero farming to be net- 5“ everybody wants net zero farming to be net zero. ant— zero farming to be net zero. ant tor— zero farming to be net zero. ant tor thet— zero farming to be net zero. and for that to _ zero farming to be net zero. and for that to happen,- zero farming to be net zero. and for that to happen, it has to be produced locally. air

miles have to be low, yet you've got that with a contrast of air miles and important food that's coming the world coming halfway around the world which on which is produced on a on a huge factory scale . or you can buy factory scale. or you can buy produce locally . so produce produce locally. so produce others are sorry, customers are really going to have to decide what they want and the market will react accordingly. and farmers will accordingly farmers will react accordingly and invest if there's a and then invest if there's a demand for their product. just quickly, david, just tell- 11 1 11 just quickly, david, just tell me wnet— quickly, david, just tell me we wot— quickly, david, just tell me what you need— quickly, david, just tell me what you need now, if you know, if what you need now, if you know, tt-tne— what you need now, if you know, if-the treasurer,— what you need now, if you know, if-the treasurer, if- what you need now, if you know, if the treasurer, if i'm the if i'm the treasurer, if i'm the cneneettor— if i'm the treasurer, if i'm the chancellor of— if i'm the treasurer, if i'm the chancellor of the _ if i'm the treasurer, if i'm the chancellor of the exchequer, i went— chancellor of the exchequer, i wentltnow— chancellor of the exchequer, i want. know from _ chancellor of the exchequer, i want know from what what want to know from you what what i want to know from you what what t neet— want to know from you what what t neet to — want to know from you what what t neet to to — want to know from you what what t neet to to to— want to know from you what what i need to do to make your life easier without— i need to do to make your life easier without fingers crossed, eresntnt— easier without fingers crossed, eresntnt tne— easier without fingers crossed, crashing the economy here, the test— crashing the economy here, the winners last year— crashing the economy here, the winners last year stability , winners last year stability, stetttttw— winners last year stability, stability and— winners last year stability, stability and interest rates. tnttetton— stability and interest rates. inflation almost— stability and interest rates. inflation almost drives- stability and interest rates. inflation almost drives interest rates. so that's probably the newest— rates. so that's probably the hardest one. _ rates. so that's probably the hardest one. but- so that's probably the hardest one. 1 g: hardest one. but we need a good supply of inputs into our farm. that's a good supply on prices and a good availability of inputs onto the farm. diesel all those supplies that we need,

fertilisers we need sensible legislation with the drive to get more environmentally friendly as farmers, which we all want to do, and we all work very hard at. but we need stability, stability for input prices, stability for output pfices prices, stability for output prices and a local market and that's probably the most important things that we need. and sorry, david, just 1—1 more outst— and sorry, david, just 1—1 more tttet one— and sorry, david, just 1—1 more ottet on— and sorry, david, just 1—1 more quick one on what— and sorry, david, just 1—1 more quick one on what you've said were.— quick one on what you've said were tot-we— quick one on what you've said there. you've mentioned the environment— there. you've mentioned the environment-of. there. you've mentioned the environment of times environment a couple of times were— environment a couple of times there environmental targets there and environmental targets and there and environmental targets ent—so— there and environmental targets ent—so now- there and environmental targets and—so how much. there and environmental targets and—so how much ofi there and environmental targets. and—so how much of an and net zero. so how much of an impact is that having on you? because the customer is going to end because the customer is going to ent to— because the customer is going to ent to oewtnt— because the customer is going to end ”p paying the_ because the customer is going to end up paying the price for you, orestrnettw— end up paying the price for you, presumably having to deal with ertoottntw— presumably having to deal with cripplinglv high— presumably having to deal with cripplingly high interest rates ores— cripplingly high interest rates plus potential— cripplingly high interest rates plus potential costs on net zero ent— plus potential costs on net zero ent we— plus potential costs on net zero ent we rnttnt— plus potential costs on net zero and we might end— plus potential costs on net zero and we might end up being treooet— and we might end up being treooet tnto— and we might end up being trapped into buying british, wnten— trapped into buying british, wnten tn— trapped into buying british, which i'm sure— trapped into buying british, which i'm sure we would all want tolenwwew— which i'm sure we would all want tolenwwew. — which i'm sure we would all want tolenwwew. tet— which i'm sure we would all want to.anyway. but you're- which i'm sure we would all want to anyway. 15; to do anyway. but you're kind of trapped at high prices trapped into it at high prices and customer as and then the customer suffers as well. these points come well. all these points come tnter— well. all these points come enter tne— well. all these points come under the coat.— all these points come under the coat. yes and that's protettw— under the coat. yes and that's orotettw tne— under the coat. yes and that's probably the simple way the newer— probably the simple way the market will— probably the simple way the market will drive and the government— market will drive and the government has to drive this to tow— government has to drive this to

ettow tne— government has to drive this to allow the market— government has to drive this to allow the market to be retettwetw— allow the market to be relatively free. e allow the market to be relatively free. �*" 515; relatively free. but if we are restricted in certain ways and we are driven into net zero and an unsatisfactory way, i think a lot of farmers are just simply going to have to stop farming and then the customer will only have the choice to buy factory farmed food and produce. that is not it in any way net zero plus you've got the carbon miles as well. you know, it makes etsotttetw— well. you know, it makes absolutely no _ you know, it makes absolutely no sense at to absolutely no sense at all to tree— absolutely no sense at all to tree rerrners— absolutely no sense at all to trap farmers into— absolutely no sense at all to trap farmers into a net zero environmental— trap farmers into a net zero environmental practises which ent— environmental practises which ent tetnt— environmental practises which aren't being matched for more , aren't being matched for more, our aren't being matched for more, toot— aren't being matched for more, rootltotnt— aren't being matched for more, our food i going to _ aren't being matched for more, our food going to have to our food is going to have to come ultimately. j? 1 come from ultimately. david, ttent—antl come from ultimately. david, thank and good thank you very much. and good luck to you. hope to chat you luck to you. hope to chat to you soon. david gibson there, soon. does david gibson there, who farmer and that i who is a farmer and that i think, ladies and gents, is probably the definition of a perfect it? you've perfect storm, isn't it? you've got these whopping great big interest you've interest rates. you've got terrners— interest rates. you've got- farmers—having interest rates. you've got- farmers_having to farmers there who are having to rete— farmers there who are having to rete-note.— farmers there who are having to take-huge,-loans- farmers there who are having to take huge, loans to take out huge, big loans to rneneet— take out huge, big loans to nenete-or- take out huge, big loans to manage _or justi take out huge, big loans to- manage _or just update manage to expand or just update tnetr— manage to expand or just update tnetr-wnten— their business, which now tnew-re— their business, which now. tnew-re—to their business, which now- tnew-re—to pew they're going to struggle to pay teet— they're going to struggle to pay test—etso- they're going to struggle to pay back—also being. back ever. they're also being estet—to- back ever. they're also being asked—to net- back ever. they're also being asked—to net zero| asked to conform to net zero tertets. — asked to conform to net zero tertets. tne— asked to conform to net zero targets. 1. 1 asked to conform to net zero- targets. the customer presumably is going to have to decide whether not they shop british whether or not they shop british or and their customer

or foreign. and their customer as is then trapped with as well is then trapped with massively goods for massively expensive goods for them to buy. and that really is an them to buy. and that really is en etsottte— and that really is an absolute nightmare, isn't it? newt.— an absolute nightmare, isn't it? newt-wot— an absolute nightmare, isn't it? newt-wot very— an absolute nightmare, isn't it? david, you very much. david, thank you very much. newt— david, thank you very much. wow. tne— david, thank you very much. now, the promised— david, thank you very much. now, the promised bonfire of eu laws been extinguished laws has been extinguished and brexiteer absolutely brexiteer mps are absolutely furious . i am going to be furious. i am going to be talking to one of those. he's very famous. you might have heard of him. it's jacob tees—mott.— heard of him. it's jacob rees—mogg. very,- 1 5“ it's jacob rees—mogg. very, very shortly. t-rn — rees—mogg. very, very shortly. t-rn-cnrtstws— rees—mogg. very, very shortly. i'm-christysigb-

listening to gb news radio. welcome back. now let's talk about we broke about a story that we broke on this very show and the this very show yesterday and the backlash government's backlash to the government's decision thousands decision not to scrap thousands of eu laws by the end of the yeah of eu laws by the end of the year. kemi has tried to year. kemi badenoch has tried to rete— year. kemi badenoch has tried to rete tne— year. kemi badenoch has tried to rete tne neet— year. kemi badenoch has tried to take the heat off— kemi badenoch has tried to take the heat off rishi sunak by sewtnt— take the heat off rishi sunak by sewtnt-tt— take the heat off rishi sunak by sewtnt-tt wes— take the heat off rishi sunak by saying-it was her- take the heat off rishi sunak by saying it was her decision saying that it was her decision . tet— saying that it was her decision . net here-s— saying that it was her decision . but here's what— saying that it was her decision . but here's what i'm- saying that it was her decision . but here's what i'm asking today are civil servants actually to blame for this government u—turn ? for what it's government u—turn? for what it's worth, government u—turn? for what it's wortn. tne— government u—turn? for what it's wortn. tne neet— government u—turn? for what it's worth, the head of— government u—turn? for what it's worth, the head of the— g “7 for what it's worth, the head of the civil sewtee— worth, the head of the civil service union— worth, the head of the civil service union has been urging oeoote— service union has been urging people not— service union has been urging people not to— service union has been urging people not to call— service union has been urging people not to call them woke and

not to— people not to call them woke and not to set— people not to call them woke and not to call them _ people not to call them woke and not to call them snowflakes, not to tw— not to call them snowflakes, not to try to— not to call them snowflakes, not to try to insinuate— not to call them snowflakes, not to try to insinuate that they're wort— to try to insinuate that they're wort shy— to try to insinuate that they're wort snw et— to try to insinuate that they're work shy at all.— to try to insinuate that they're work shy at all. but if you reettw— work shy at all. but if you really break— work shy at all. but if you really break down as our really break it down as our teottw— really break it down as our deputy political tom deputy political editor, tom nerwoot— deputy political editor, tom harwood did— deputy political editor, tom harwood did for this harwood did for us this time westertew— harwood did for us this time westertewltn— harwood did for us this time yesterdayiin-for- harwood did for us this time yesterdayiin-for to yesterday, in order for them to newe— yesterday, in order for them to newe-tnrottn- yesterday, in order for them to have-through this- yesterday, in order for them to have through this backlog have worked through this backlog of have worked through this backlog ot-asoo— have worked through this backlog ot-asoo tu— have worked through this backlog of-4800 eu-and- have worked through this backlog of 4800 eu and get of around 4800 eu laws and get tnern— of around 4800 eu laws and get tnern sntttet— of around 4800 eu laws and get them shifted and— of around 4800 eu laws and get them shifted and burn them testeettw— them shifted and burn them testeettw tr— them shifted and burn them basically it would have equated to eront— basically it would have equated to eront ts— basically it would have equated to around 18 a— basically it would have equated to around 18 a day— basically it would have equated to around 18 a day for that teoertrnent— to around 18 a day for that department, which i think many oeoote— department, which i think many people rnttnt— department, which i think many people might think is not the treet— people might think is not the greet test— people might think is not the greet test tn— people might think is not the great task in the— people might think is not the great task in the world. i'm totnet— great task in the world. i'm joined no— great task in the world. i'm joined tw— great task in the world. i'm joined now by a— great task in the world. i'm joined now by a conservative mp ent— joined now by a conservative mp ent et— joined now by a conservative mp ent on news— joined now by a conservative mp and gb news presenter jacob and gb news presenterjacob tees—nogg— and gb news presenterjacob tees—wogg . — and gb news presenterjacob rees—mogg . 1 and gb news presenterjacob rees—mogg. 1 rees—mogg. jacob, have we been let down here or brexiteers been let down here or brexiteers been let down here by the civil service not doing their job and service not doing theirjob and helping to light a bonfire of eu rules and regs ? oh yes, i think rules and regs? oh yes, i think we newe— rules and regs? oh yes, i think we newe .— rules and regs? oh yes, i think we newe . ant— rules and regs? oh yes, i think we have . and i— rules and regs? oh yes, i think we have . and i think- ?5“t1 15157 oh yes, i think we have . and i think covid 1 15157 oh yes, i think we have . and i think covid ben we have. and i think covid ben knott— we have. and i think covid ben tnoet ott— we have. and i think covid ben tnoet out e— we have. and i think covid ben tnoet out e very— we have. and i think covid ben knock put a very brave face on tne— knock put a very brave face on tne tettwe— knock put a very brave face on the failure of— knock put a very brave face on the failure of the— knock put a very brave face on the failure of the civil service . rt— the failure of the civil service . t t— the failure of the civil service . if i remember— the failure of the civil service . if i remember rightly, it's egetnst— . if i remember rightly, it's egetnst tne— . if i remember rightly, it's against the ministerial code to tterne— against the ministerial code to tterne tne— against the ministerial code to blame the civil— against the ministerial code to blame the civil service . so she blame the civil service. so she eotttn-t— blame the civil service. so she couldn't really— blame the civil service. so she couldn't really have laid into ttern— couldn't really have laid into tnern. tet— couldn't really have laid into them. but when— couldn't really have laid into them. but when i was at the twstness— them. but when i was at the business department, i was told

tnet— business department, i was told we to— business department, i was told we to teet— business department, i was told that to deal with— business department, i was told that to deal with about 350 eu regttettons— that to deal with about 350 eu regttettons .— that to deal with about 350 eu regulations , we— that to deal with about 350 eu regulations , we would need 300 regulations, we would need 300 etwtt— regulations, we would need 300 more civil servants— regulations, we would need 300 more civil servants working full ttrne— more civil servants working full ttne tor— more civil servants working full ttne tor e— more civil servants working full ttne tor e weer. — more civil servants working full time for a year. i— more civil servants working full time for a year. i thought this was nonsense— time for a year. i thought this was nonsense and said i could orotettw— was nonsense and said i could orotettw to— was nonsense and said i could probably do them— was nonsense and said i could probably do them myself over a weetent— probably do them myself over a weetent. so— probably do them myself over a weetent. so t— probably do them myself over a weekend. so i think yes, snowflakey_ weekend. so i think yes, snowflakey works by civil sewents— snowflakey works by civil servants, probably belonging to wow— servants, probably belonging to wow trtents— servants, probably belonging to your friends who— servants, probably belonging to your friends who you're quoting eertter— your friends who you're quoting eertter es— your friends who you're quoting earlier as union. _ your friends who you're quoting earlier as union. okay all rtgtt— earlier as union. okay all rtgnt. ant— earlier as union. okay all right. and what would you have liked to have seen them do? is it just a case of work harder or are there actually intricacies that you're maybe deliberately missing which are about missing here, which are about getting a load of eu laws biffed and replacing them with our and then replacing them with our own ? well, there is the eu own? well, there is the eu ttreettwe— own? well, there is the eu directive on _ own? well, there is the eu directive on the— 7 well, there is the eu directive on the marketing of green— directive on the marketing of green bananas— directive on the marketing of green bananas .— directive on the marketing of green bananas. there are things like green bananas. there are things ttte tnet— green bananas. there are things like that that— green bananas. there are things like that that shouldn't take an enormous amount— like that that shouldn't take an enormous amount of time to deal wttn— enormous amount of time to deal wttn .— enormous amount of time to deal wttn . tnere— enormous amount of time to deal with . there are— enormous amount of time to deal with . there are others that are with. there are others that are more complicated— with. there are others that are more complicated that's more complicated. that's eertetntw— more complicated. that's certainly _therel more complicated. that's certainly there is more complicated. that's- certainly _there is work certainly true. so there is work to te— certainly true. so there is work to te tone.— certainly true. so there is work to be done. but— certainly true. so there is work to be done. but this work should newe— to be done. but this work should newe-gotng— to be done. but this work should newe-gotng on— to be done. but this work should have going on some time have been going on for some time . tn.— have been going on for some time . ten-every— have been going on for some time . ten-every ttrne— have been going on for some time . um,-every time an- have been going on for some time . um, every time an eu law . um, and every time an eu law came in, departments had to work tnrotgn— came in, departments had to work tnrotgn tnern— came in, departments had to work through them then— came in, departments had to work through them then so that they

knew— through them then so that they knew wnet— through them then so that they knew what they— through them then so that they knew what they were supposed to do knew what they were supposed to to ent— knew what they were supposed to to ent tnew— knew what they were supposed to do and they presented a package to parliament,— do and they presented a package to parliament, to— do and they presented a package to parliament, to the european sertttnw— to parliament, to the european scrutiny committee. so the work on wnet— scrutiny committee. so the work on what regulations mean was on what the regulations mean was tone— on what the regulations mean was tone tn— on what the regulations mean was tone tn sonne— on what the regulations mean was done in some cases— on what the regulations mean was done in some cases years ago. tt-s— done in some cases years ago. tt-s no— done in some cases years ago. tt-s toottng— done in some cases years ago. it's now looking through and sewtng— it's now looking through and sewtng. ts— it's now looking through and sewtng. ts tner— it's now looking through and saying, is that rule really neeesse.rw— saying, is that rule really necessary? is— saying, is that rule really necessary? is that the right epproeen— necessary? is that the right eooroeen to— necessary? is that the right approach to regulation ? can we approach to regulation? can we teregttete— approach to regulation? can we deregulate because the other stow— deregulate because the other story wot-we— deregulate because the other story you've been running today is story you've been running today ts on— story you've been running today ts on tne— story you've been running today ts on tne rtse— story you've been running today is on the rise in— story you've been running today is on the rise in interest rates . ant— is on the rise in interest rates . ant one— is on the rise in interest rates . ant ot— is on the rise in interest rates . and one of the— is on the rise in interest rates . and one of the ways to tackle tnttetton — . and one of the ways to tackle inflation action _ . and one of the ways to tackle inflation action is— . and one of the ways to tackle inflation action is to make orottetton— inflation action is to make production cheaper, to lower the cost— production cheaper, to lower the cost ent— production cheaper, to lower the cost and increase— production cheaper, to lower the cost and increase the competitiveness of the economy . competitiveness of the economy. ant— competitiveness of the economy. ant tnet-s— competitiveness of the economy. and that's done— competitiveness of the economy. and that's done by— competitiveness of the economy. and that's done by cutting regttetton.— and that's done by cutting regulation, the _ and that's done by cutting regulation, the so—called supply stte— regulation, the so—called supply stte reortrns— regulation, the so—called supply side reforms. and— regulation, the so—called supply side reforms. and it would reettw— side reforms. and it would really nett— side reforms. and it would really help to— side reforms. and it would really help to ease the pain tron— really help to ease the pain from ntgner— really help to ease the pain from higher interest rates if we got on— from higher interest rates if we got on wttn— from higher interest rates if we got on with deregulation and deregulation— got on with deregulation and deregulation of— got on with deregulation and deregulation of eu laws. jacob why— deregulation of eu laws. jacob wnw newe— deregulation of eu laws. jacob why newe we— deregulation of eu laws. jacob why have we not— deregulation of eu laws. jacob why have we not become singapore on on tnernes— why have we not become singapore on sea, on thames .— why have we not become singapore on sea, on thames . well, i was on sea, on thames. well, i was soeettng— on sea, on thames. well, i was soeettng to— on sea, on thames. well, i was soeettng to e— on sea, on thames. well, i was speaking to a friend of mine test— speaking to a friend of mine test week— speaking to a friend of mine last week who— speaking to a friend of mine last week who lives in singapore and last week who lives in singapore ent ne— last week who lives in singapore ent ne wes— last week who lives in singapore and he was saying— last week who lives in singapore and he was saying to me that as

and he was saying to the that as it's and he was saying to me that as tt-s etott— and he was saying to me that as tt-s etott so— and he was saying to me that as it's about 80 degrees plus every day it's about 80 degrees plus every tew tn— it's about 80 degrees plus every tew tn stngeoore— it's about 80 degrees plus every day in singapore and it rains every— day in singapore and it rains ewew tew— day in singapore and it rains ewew tew we— day in singapore and it rains every day, we are perhaps quite testy— every day, we are perhaps quite testy not— every day, we are perhaps quite lucky not-least— every day, we are perhaps quite lucky not least have the lucky not at least have the ottrnete— lucky not at least have the climate singapore. why why climate of singapore. why why newen-t— climate of singapore. why why newen-t we— climate of singapore. why why haven't we had— climate of singapore. why why haven't we had more ambition to tettwer— haven't we had more ambition to tettwer tne— haven't we had more ambition to deliver the fruits— haven't we had more ambition to deliver the fruits of— haven't we had more ambition to deliver the fruits of brexit? ant— deliver the fruits of brexit? ant t— deliver the fruits of brexit? ant t tntnt— deliver the fruits of brexit? and i think partly the pandemic got tn— and i think partly the pandemic got tn tne— and i think partly the pandemic got tn tne wew. — and i think partly the pandemic got in the way. and then we onenget— got in the way. and then we changed leader— got in the way. and then we changed leader and boris johnson was changed leader and boris johnson e greet— changed leader and boris johnson was a great believer in this . he was a great believer in this. he reettw— was a great believer in this. he really wentet— was a great believer in this. he really wanted to— was a great believer in this. he really wanted to push it forward . ant— really wanted to push it forward . ant tttsnt — really wanted to push it forward . and rishi is— really wanted to push it forward . and rishi is less— really wanted to push it forward . and rishi is less excited by tne— . and rishi is less excited by the benefits— . and rishi is less excited by the benefits of— . and rishi is less excited by the benefits of brexit. it's not tner— the benefits of brexit. it's not we nes— the benefits of brexit. it's not that he's against— the benefits of brexit. it's not that he's against brexit, but tt-s— that he's against brexit, but tt-s not— that he's against brexit, but it's not what— that he's against brexit, but it's not what motivates him, but is it's not what motivates him, but ts tnts— it's not what motivates him, but ts we not— it's not what motivates him, but ts we not en— it's not what motivates him, but is this not an act— it's not what motivates him, but is this not an act of— it's not what motivates him, but is this not an act of national sett— is this not an act of national self sabotage— is this not an act of national self sabotage or— is this not an act of national self sabotage or a deliberate sttnttng— self sabotage or a deliberate sttnttng ot— self sabotage or a deliberate stunting of our— self sabotage or a deliberate stunting of our opportunity for growtn— stunting of our opportunity for growtn ent— stunting of our opportunity for growtn ent to— stunting of our opportunity for growth and to take full etwentege— growth and to take full advantage of - growth and to take full advantage of our you know, soenetg— advantage of our you know, sovereign nature as a country wowe — sovereign nature as a country wowe t— sovereign nature as a country wowe t mem— sovereign nature as a country now? i mean, this- sovereign nature as a country now? 5“ 1 now? i mean, this would just appear to be a deliberate act of national self—harm . well it's an national self—harm. well it's an anti—growth policy. and also most frustratingly— anti—growth policy. and also most frustratingly ,- anti—growth policy. and also most frustratingly , it- g ;,tt5tt1.«r and also most frustratingly , it is most frustratingly, it is egetnst— most frustratingly, it is egetnst e— most frustratingly, it is against a very specific promise. tttsnt— against a very specific promise. tttsnt senet— against a very specific promise. rishi sunak himself gave that tnere-s— rishi sunak himself gave that tnere-s tner—

rishi sunak himself gave that there's that little video clip his leadership— there's that little video clip his leadership campaign made sewtng— his leadership campaign made sewtng tner— his leadership campaign made sewtng tnet tnew— his leadership campaign made saying that they were going to put saying that they were going to out tu— saying that they were going to out tt tews— saying that they were going to put eu laws through the shredder and put eu laws through the shredder ent tnew-we— put eu laws through the shredder ent tnew-we no— put eu laws through the shredder and they've now put the promise tnrotgn— and they've now put the promise tnrotgn tne— and they've now put the promise through the shredder instead. ant— through the shredder instead. antltntnt— through the shredder instead. and think unfortunate and i think that's unfortunate ent— and i think that's unfortunate entlrntstete— and i think that's unfortunate andlmistake. _ and i think that's unfortunate and mistake . t~tr5gt e 1 and i think that's unfortunate and mistake. t~tr5gt 1 and a mistake. megxit jacob, why is it that the only solution to growth in this country appears to be mass immigration ? well, to be mass immigration? well, that isn't an answer to- 37 well, that isn't an answer to growth enwwew. — that isn't an answer to growth anywav- rt— that isn't an answer to growth anywav- tr vou— that isn't an answer to growth anyway. if you look at immigration,- anyway. if you look at immigration, it may increase tott— immigration, it may increase tort tet— immigration, it may increase tort twt tr— immigration, it may increase gdp, but it doesn't necessarily tot— gdp, but it doesn't necessarily increase gdp per— gdp, but it doesn't necessarily increase gdp per capita because a increase gdp per capita because e tot— increase gdp per capita because e tot ot— increase gdp per capita because e tot ot tne— increase gdp per capita because a lot of the jobs— increase gdp per capita because a lot of the jobs people come in to to— a lot of the jobs people come in to to ee— a lot of the jobs people come in to do are relative— a lot of the jobs people come in to do are relative lowly paid. so to do are relative lowly paid. so wot— to do are relative lowly paid. so you ton-t— to do are relative lowly paid. so you don't get— to do are relative lowly paid. so you don't get a genuine tn— so you don't get a genuine increase in economic growth from mass immigration.— increase in economic growth from mass immigration. and certainly tner— mass immigration. and certainly tnet nesn-t— mass immigration. and certainly that hasn't been— mass immigration. and certainly that hasn't been our recent etenene— that hasn't been our recent eoeeoenne. — that hasn't been our recent experience . no,- that hasn't been our recent experience . \rt5t cflfflceg that hasn't been our recent experience . \nt5t r5:e

whatever could possibly be done to nullify any benefits of brexit, potentially with a view towards one day either rejoining the european union or potentially just not really deal aligning ourselves from it? is that what we're seeing ? well that what we're seeing? well i think you hit the nail on the head. i think you hit the nail on the head . i behind me you can see head. i behind me you can see tne— head. i behind me you can see tne noose— head. i behind me you can see tne house or— head. i behind me you can see the house of lords— 1 i behind me you can see the house of lords probably and the house of lords probably and tne torts— the house of lords probably and the lords will— the house of lords probably and the lords will be— the house of lords probably and the lords will be a— the house of lords probably and the lords will be a leaping teese— the lords will be a leaping because the— the lords will be a leaping because the remaining act lords newe— because the remaining act lords newe etwews— because the remaining act lords have always wanted to keep us in etose— have always wanted to keep us in close alignment— have always wanted to keep us in close alignment with the twoteen— close alignment with the european union. not that i think tnew— european union. not that i think tnew expect— european union. not that i think tnew expect to — european union. not that i think they expect to be— european union. not that i think they expect to be able to retotn— they expect to be able to rejoin tet— they expect to be able to rejoin, but so— they expect to be able to rejoin, but so that we don't ttwerge— rejoin, but so that we don't ttwerge ent— rejoin, but so that we don't diverge and make the most of our ottorttntttes— diverge and make the most of our opportunities, not— diverge and make the most of our opportunities, not getting rid of retetnet— opportunities, not getting rid of retained eu— opportunities, not getting rid of retained eu law means we will not ttwerge. — of retained eu law means we will not ttwerge. we— of retained eu law means we will not diverge. we will— of retained eu law means we will not diverge. we will be snetowtng— not diverge. we will be shadowing the european union. we will shadowing the european union. we wttt te— shadowing the european union. we wttt te etose— shadowing the european union. we will be close to— shadowing the european union. we will be close to the— shadowing the european union. we will be close to the european tnton. — will be close to the european tnton. thtt— will be close to the european union. will inefficient union. we will be as inefficient as union. we will be as inefficient es tne— union. we will be as inefficient as the european— union. we will be as inefficient as the european-it- union. we will be as inefficient as the european it is as the european union. it is tneretore— as the european union. it is tneretore e— as the european union. it is therefore a missed opportunity, a therefore a missed opportunity, etetttre— therefore a missed opportunity, e tetttre .— therefore a missed opportunity, a failure . and— therefore a missed opportunity, a failure . and the people who a failure. and the people who are a failure. and the people who retotetng— a failure. and the people who are rejoicing today are the teotte— are rejoicing today are the teotte-teter- are rejoicing today are the people peter mandelson, the people like peter mandelson, the teotte— people like peter mandelson, the teotte wno— people like peter mandelson, the teotte wno ee— people like peter mandelson, the people who are really , really people who are really, really strongtw— people who are really, really strongtw-tne— people who are really, really strongly-the eu- people who are really, really strongly the eu . 1 strongly pro the eu. jacob, ttent— strongly pro the eu. jacob, ttent vou— strongly pro the eu. jacob, ttent you very— strongly pro the eu. jacob, thank you very much. as ever as

jacob rees—mogg, conservative mp and gb news presenter who will be live on your screens as far as i'm later on this as i'm aware, later on this evening so make sure as i'm aware, later on this eveitune so make sure as i'm aware, later on this eveitune for so make sure as i'm aware, later on this eveitune for in so make sure as i'm aware, later on this eveitune for in allo make sure as i'm aware, later on this eveitune for in all ofnake sure as i'm aware, later on this eveitune for in all of that,;ure you tune for in all of that, right. there's loads more still to come now 4:00 to come between now and 4:00 after he after president zelenskyy he moaned about eurovision being staged i'm going staged in liverpool. i'm going to is ungrateful ? is he to ask is he ungrateful? is he a bit cheeky? you know, deep sympathy the people of sympathy to the people of ukraine all of that. but ukraine and all of that. but i think we probably would have won the eurovision contest if it hadnt been the eurovision contest if it hadn't been little hadn't have been for a little bit of sympathy towards ukraine there. why owning there. and find out why owning a house beach might house near a nudist beach might be expensive mistake. i will be an expensive mistake. i will speak actual later speak to an actual nudist later on. headlines with on. now, though, headlines with rihanna . on. now, though, headlines with rihanna. patrick, on. now, though, headlines with rihanna . patrick, thank you. rihanna. patrick, thank you. rts— rihanna. patrick, thank you. tt-s stt— rihanna. patrick, thank you. it's 333. your— rihanna. patrick, thank you. it's 333. your top— ? 5“?55“?“ patrick, thank you. it's 333. your top stories 3 5“?55“?“ patrick, thank you. it's 333. your top stories from tne— it's 333. your top stories from the newsroom _ it's 333. your top stories from the newsroom the chancellor says the newsroom the chancellor says tne tent— the newsroom the chancellor says tne tent ot— the newsroom the chancellor says the bank of england's latest tnterest— the bank of england's latest interest rate _ the bank of england's latest interest rate rise— the bank of england's latest interest rate rise will prove onettengtng— interest rate rise will prove challenging for— interest rate rise will prove challenging for families with rnortgeges— challenging for families with nortgeges es— challenging for families with mortgages as his comments come etter— mortgages as his comments come etter tne— mortgages as his comments come etter tne tt-s— mortgages as his comments come after the uk's central bank retset— after the uk's central bank raised rates— after the uk's central bank raised rates for— after the uk's central bank raised rates for the 12th time in raised rates for the 12th time tn e— raised rates for the 12th time tn e tn— raised rates for the 12th time tn e tn e— raised rates for the 12th time in a row. in a further attempt

to teette— in a row. in a further attempt to tackle soaring— in a row. in a further attempt to tackle soaring inflation, the tents— to tackle soaring inflation, the tents tese— to tackle soaring inflation, the bank's base rate— to tackle soaring inflation, the bank's base rate has increased by a— bank's base rate has increased by e gterter— bank's base rate has increased by e gterter ot— bank's base rate has increased by e gterter or e— bank's base rate has increased by a quarter of a percentage totnt— by a quarter of a percentage totnt tron — by a quarter of a percentage point, from 4.25— by a quarter of a percentage point, from 4.25 to 4.5. the ntgnest— point, from 4.25 to 4.5. the highest level— point, from 4.25 to 4.5. the highest level in— point, from 4.25 to 4.5. the highest level in 15 years. jeremy— highest level in 15 years. jeremy nont— highest level in 15 years. jeremy hunt says the measures wttt— jeremy hunt says the measures wttt nett— jeremy hunt says the measures will help families— jeremy hunt says the measures will help families in the long ettnotgn— will help families in the long run, although it's obviously goot— run, although it's obviously goot nes— run, although it's obviously good news, the— run, although it's obviously good news, the bank is not now trettettng— good news, the bank is not now trettettng e— good news, the bank is not now predicting a recession. 5“ predicting a recession. this weer.— predicting a recession. this weer. rts— predicting a recession. this year- we rew— predicting a recession. this year. it's very challenging for families with mortgages to see interest rates go up, but unless we tackle rising prices and the cost of living crisis will just continue. and that's why it is essential we stick to our plan to halve inflation. and if we do that, we can bring certainty back to family finances. that, we can bring certainty back to family finances . the back to family finances. the uk's confirmed it's supplying ukraine with the long—range missiles it request for its fight against russia . defence fight against russia. defence secretary ben wallace- �*" g“ ?g? 3 defence secretary ben wallace has �*" g“. ?g? 3 defence secretary ben wallace has told tots— secretary ben wallace has told tots tne— secretary ben wallace has told mps the donation— secretary ben wallace has told mps the donation of storm shadow rntssttes— mps the donation of storm shadow ntssttes gtwes— mps the donation of storm shadow missiles gives ukraine the best eenene— missiles gives ukraine the best eenene to— missiles gives ukraine the best chance to defend— missiles gives ukraine the best chance to defend themselves . the chance to defend themselves. the teetston— chance to defend themselves. the decision follows— chance to defend themselves. the decision follows kiev's repeat trees— decision follows kiev's repeat ttees tor— decision follows kiev's repeat pleas for more— decision follows kiev's repeat pleas for more weapons from the west—

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blue. so we might as well say this is a ukrainian flag. okay it's zelenskyy being a bit ungrateful here. i mean, we're doing solid, doing him an absolute solid, aren't hosting in aren't we, by hosting it in liverpool ? yeah, i think it is liverpool? yeah, i think it is a bit liverpool? yeah, i think it is a ttt ot— liverpool? yeah, i think it is a ttt or e— liverpool? yeah, i think it is a bit of a shame— 7 yeah, i think it is a bit of a shame because liverpool ent— bit of a shame because liverpool ent tne— bit of a shame because liverpool ent tne tt— bit of a shame because liverpool ent tne ttt tn— bit of a shame because liverpool and the uk in general have gone etowe— and the uk in general have gone etowe ent— and the uk in general have gone above and beyond— and the uk in general have gone above and beyond to make sure tner— above and beyond to make sure tnet-e— above and beyond to make sure that-a celebration- above and beyond to make sure that a celebration of that this is a celebration of ttretne— that this is a celebration of ukraine and— that this is a celebration of ukraine and music and culture ttnt— ukraine and music and culture ttntlrntngtet— ukraine and music and culture kind-mingled in— ukraine and music and culture kind mingled in with what kind of mingled in with what nettens— kind of mingled in with what nettens-tt- kind of mingled in with what happens-uk and- happens in the uk and liverpool's— happens in the uk and liverpool's music heritage, wnten— liverpool's music heritage, wnten ts— liverpool's music heritage, which is obviously world famous . so— which is obviously world famous . to t— which is obviously world famous . to t tntnt— which is obviously world famous . so i think that— which is obviously world famous . so i think that is— which is obviously world famous . so i think that is a little ttt— . so i think that is a little ttt ot— . so i think that is a little ttt or e— . so i think that is a little bit of a shame,- . so i think that is a little bit of a shame, but and i do tnterstent— bit of a shame, but and i do understand how— bit of a shame, but and i do understand how he wants it close to none— understand how he wants it close to none so— understand how he wants it close to home so-more_ understand how he wants it close to home so more people to home so that more people soert— to home so that more people could-ukraine,- to home so that more people could ukraine, but at could go from ukraine, but at tne— could go from ukraine, but at tne-tne— could go from ukraine, but at tne-ttrne .— could go from ukraine, but at tne-ttrne . t— could go from ukraine, but at the-time , i think,- could go from ukraine, but at the time , i think, you the same time, i think, you know.— the same time, i think, you know-wno— the same time, i think, you know, nato kingdom came know, you nato kingdom came seeont— know, you nato kingdom came seeontee-wr- second in last year's competition- second in last year's competition . they couldn't host competition. they couldn't host it competition. they couldn't host ttlttretne— competition. they couldn't host it ukraine therefore it it in ukraine and therefore it automatically— it in ukraine and therefore it automatically us. so automatically went to us. so tt-s— automatically went to us. so tt-s-ewen— automatically went to us. so it's-even like— automatically went to us. so it's-even like it- automatically went to us. so it's even like it was really it's not even like it was really anyone's decision— it's not even like it was really anyone's decision or, you know, it anyone's decision or, you know, tt-ot— anyone's decision or, you know, tt-ot-eontrot- anyone's decision or, you know, it-of-controllus,| it was out of the control of us, if it was out of the control of us, tt you— it was out of the control of us, tr wot wttt— it was out of the control of us, if you will. and— it was out of the control of us, if you will. and we— it was out of the control of us, if you will. and we stepped up to tne— if you will. and we stepped up to tne-we— if you will. and we stepped up to tne-we ttt- if you will. and we stepped up to the _we put on- if you will. and we stepped up to the we put on an to the plate. we put on an incredible— to the plate. we put on an incredible display here this week.— incredible display here this weea—notl incredible display here this. week. _not just incredible display here this- week._not just in week. you know, it's not just in tne— week. you know, it's not just in tne-totte— week. you know, it's not just in the _you've .the - the arena. you've got the eurovision_ the arena. you've got the eurovision which eurovision village, which is erneztng— eurovision village, which is erneztng .— eurovision village, which is amazing ,-euro- eurovision village, which is amazing , euro club. everyone amazing, the euro club. everyone in amazing, the euro club. everyone tn-ettw— amazing, the euro club. everyone tn-ettw nes— amazing, the euro club. everyone in-city has been— amazing, the euro club. everyone in-city has been so- in the city has been so weteorntng— in the city has been so welcoming with open arms to eeonwe— welcoming with open arms to everyone-t-

welcoming with open arms to everyone i actually everyone here. and i actually stoke— everyone here. and i actually stoke-tne— everyone here. and i actually stoteltne-gtws- everyone here. and i actually spoke the guys who are spoke to the two guys who are retresenttng— spoke to the two guys who are representing ukraine this year, ent— representing ukraine this year, ent-sett— representing ukraine this year, ent-sett tnew— representing ukraine this year, and said they how shocked and they said they how shocked tnew— and they said they how shocked tnew-wttn— and they said they how shocked they -with - much - they were with how much ttwertoot— they were with how much liverpool—inl they were with how much- liverpool_in blue liverpool is just lit up in blue ent— liverpool is just lit up in blue ent-tot— liverpool is just lit up in blue and-you know,- liverpool is just lit up in blue and you know, there are and yellow. you know, there are stgns—tn— and yellow. you know, there are signs—in ukrainian.| and yellow. you know, there are signs are in ukrainian. and yellow. you know, there are signs are slogansin ukrainian. and yellow. you know, there are signs are slogans inukrainian. and yellow. you know, there are signs are slogans in ukraine,. there are slogans in ukraine, ttretnten— there are slogans in ukraine, ttretnten .— there are slogans in ukraine, ukrainian . it's— there are slogans in ukraine, ukrainian. it's just there are slogans in ukraine, ukrainian . it's just been that ukrainian. it's just been that is ukrainian. it's just been that ts sten— ukrainian. it's just been that ts seen e— ukrainian. it's just been that is such a main— ukrainian. it's just been that is such a main focus of it here. toot— is such a main focus of it here. toot et— is such a main focus of it here. toot et tne— is such a main focus of it here. look at the performers. you've net— look at the performers. you've net tteteeee— look at the performers. you've had rebecca ferguson. ferguson tertorrnet— had rebecca ferguson. ferguson performed with— had rebecca ferguson. ferguson performed with ukrainian singer at performed with ukrainian singer et tne— performed with ukrainian singer at the semi—final— performed with ukrainian singer at the semi—final on tuesday ntgnt. — at the semi—final on tuesday ntgnt. so— at the semi—final on tuesday ntgnt. so tt— at the semi—final on tuesday night. so it has— at the semi—final on tuesday night. so it has been much of a toots— night. so it has been much of a focus tere— night. so it has been much of a focus nere ot— night. so it has been much of a focus here of ukraine culture. ant— focus here of ukraine culture. ant t— focus here of ukraine culture. ant t tttnt— focus here of ukraine culture. and i think, you— focus here of ukraine culture. and i think, you know, we've tone— and i think, you know, we've done more than— and i think, you know, we've done more than we was demanded of done more than we was demanded or us— done more than we was demanded of tt— done more than we was demanded of tt wot— done more than we was demanded of us, if you will. _ done more than we was demanded of us, if you will. 145? 5“ �*00 of us, if you will. yeah, 100. i think we have an ally if we're being honest. whilst we, of course, have deep sympathy for everything that's going on in ukraine and i do mean that very seriously, there is a suggestion, suggestion suggestion, a strong suggestion that have actually have that we would have actually have won it outright last time round had may be not have been, had there may be not have been, you know, quite a lot of sympathy . we i think i think sympathy. we i think i think possibly yeah, that's possibly right. and in fact, i saw sam totter— right. and in fact, i saw sam twter terrorrn — right. and in fact, i saw sam ryder perform last- 135“. and in fact, i saw sam ryder perform last night 11d“. and in fact, i saw sam ryder perform last night in a gig in_ ryder perform last night in a gtg tn tne— ryder perform last night in a gig in the cavern. he came seeont— gig in the cavern. he came seeont tor— gig in the cavern. he came second for us— gig in the cavern. he came second for us last year in

twowtston— second for us last year in eurovision, a— second for us last year in eurovision, a phenomenally tetentet— eurovision, a phenomenally tetentet .— eurovision, a phenomenally talented , like— eurovision, a phenomenally talented , like operatic voice, talented, like operatic voice, etrnost— talented, like operatic voice, etnost to— talented, like operatic voice, almost so yeah,— talented, like operatic voice, almost so yeah, i think possibly if almost so yeah, i think possibly t tt— almost so yeah, i think possibly t tt netn-t— almost so yeah, i think possibly if it hadn't been— almost so yeah, i think possibly if it hadn't been the war in wnetne— if it hadn't been the war in ttretne-es— if it hadn't been the war in ukraine as much as the ukraine and as much as the ttrowtston— ukraine and as much as the eurovision-not— ukraine and as much as the eurovision not meant be eurovision is not meant to be totttteet— eurovision is not meant to be totttteet .— eurovision is not meant to be political ,lalways- eurovision is not meant to be political , always up political, it always ends up tetng— political, it always ends up tetnglttttte— political, it always ends up beingllittle bit.- political, it always ends up being little bit. and do being a little bit. and i do tntnt— being a little bit. and i do tntnt tner— being a little bit. and i do think that-for. being a little bit. and i do think that for the think that they won for the rtgnt— think that they won for the right reasons.— think that they won for the right reasons. it showed a lot of international— right reasons. it showed a lot of international support. it was right reasons. it showed a lot ofgood'national support. it was right reasons. it showed a lot ofgood act.)nal support. it was right reasons. it showed a lot ofgood act. you support. it was right reasons. it showed a lot ofgood act. you know,�*t. it was right reasons. it showed a lot ofgood act. you know, the was a good act. you know, the cholesterol— a good act. you know, the cholesterol orchestra, they were a good act. you know, the choles' really rchestra, they were a good act. you know, the choles' really good.ra, they were a good act. you know, the choles' really good. so they were a good act. you know, the choles' really good. so iiey were a good act. you know, the choles'really good. so i don't re really, really good. so i don't tntnt— really, really good. so i don't tntnt tt— really, really good. so i don't tntnt tt wes— really, really good. so i don't think it was bad— really, really good. so i don't think it was bad for us. and etso— think it was bad for us. and etso. wot-we— think it was bad for us. and also, you've remember, also, you've got to remember, tetrtet— also, you've got to remember, patrick, .we're _ also, you've got to remember, patrick, we're quite used patrick, that we're quite used toltotnts— patrick, that we're quite used toltotnts so— patrick, that we're quite used to points, so we'll take to nil points, so we'll take seeont— to nil points, so we'll take second place.— to nil points, so we'll take second place. we're not that totneret— second place. we're not that bothered about— second place. we're not that bothered about and bothered about that. and then eettettw— bothered about that. and then actually _ really- bothered about that. and then actually really nice actually now this is really nice tesese— actually now this is really nice tesetse not— actually now this is really nice because not only— actually now this is really nice because not only do we get to nost— because not only do we get to nost tt— because not only do we get to nost tt tn— because not only do we get to host it in-united- because not only do we get to host it in united kingdom host it in the united kingdom ttte— host it in the united kingdom ate-newe- host it in the united kingdom like-have done- host it in the united kingdom like have done had like we would have done had we wont— like we would have done had we won—tt— like we would have done had we won—tr tn— like we would have done had we won—tr tn e- like we would have done had we won—tr tn e wayl won, we get to do it in a way tner— won, we get to do it in a way we snows— won, we get to do it in a way that shows how— won, we get to do it in a way that shows how welcoming we are to—ent— that shows how welcoming we are to—ent otter- to other countries and other sttttres— to other countries and other cultures, which— to other countries and other cultures, which i— to other countries and other cultures, which i think pushing torwert—we- cultures, which i think pushing forward—we spent. cultures, which i think pushing forward we spent a forward as much as we spent a lot forward as much as we spent a totlrnonew— forward as much as we spent a lot-money putting- forward as much as we spent a lot money putting on, lot of money putting this on, you— lot of money putting this on, wot know.— lot of money putting this on, you know, taxpayers have paid 17 rntttton. — you know, taxpayers have paid 17 rntttton. wett— you know, taxpayers have paid 17 million. well actually, every ntgnt— million. well actually, every night—putting. million. well actually, every night putting on night that this is putting on ttsttew.— night that this is putting on display, showing display, it's showing how incredible _ incredible liverpool is, how trttttent— incredible liverpool is, how brilliant.is_ incredible liverpool is, how brilliant is here. beautiful. brilliant it is here. beautiful. ant— brilliant it is here. beautiful. ant-ts— brilliant it is here. beautiful. ant-ts tner— brilliant it is here. beautiful. and is that knock on effect and that is that knock on effect of and that is that knock on effect ot-ts— and that is that knock on effect ot-ts gotng— and that is that knock on effect ot-ts gotng to— and that is that knock on effect of-is going to be- and that is that knock on effect of is going to be for years of that is going to be for years to-now— of that is going to be for years to-now rnenw— of that is going to be for years to how many people are to come. how many people are going— to come. how many people are gotng—see- to come. how many people are. gotng—see atesne going to see that and see alesha tteon— going to see that and see alesha tteon-on— going to see that and see alesha ttxon-on nw— going to see that and see alesha dixon _oh my god,- dixon saying, oh my god, ttwertoot—

dixon saying, oh my god, liverpool-so- dixon saying, oh my god, liverpool so friendly. liverpool is so friendly. it's erneztng— liverpool is so friendly. it's amazing culture, the music. amazing the culture, the music. ant— amazing the culture, the music. ant tnew-re— amazing the culture, the music. ant tnew-re gotng— amazing the culture, the music. and they're going to book tttgtts— and they're going to book finite-going- flights. they're going to book terrtes. — flights. they're going to booki ferries._come ferries. they're going to come tere— ferries. they're going to come nere. tnew-re — ferries. they're going to come here, they're _to - ferries. they're going to comei here, they're _to _so ferries. they're going to comei hthinkiey're-to-so ferries. they're going to come hthink iey' do to so ferries. they're going to come hthinkiey' do t( lot so ferries. they're going to come hthinkiey' do t( lot of so i think we do reap a lot of tenettts— i think we do reap a lot of tenettts by— i think we do reap a lot of benefits by having it here and snowtng— benefits by having it here and snowtng now— benefits by having it here and showing how welcome and showing how welcome we are and now—ttsntng- showing how welcome we are and now—ttsntng tne- how much we are pushing the ttretnten— how much we are pushing the ukrainian-what- how much we are pushing the ukrainian what we're ukrainian agenda in what we're totng—stre- ukrainian agenda in what we're doing—sure that. ukrainian agenda in what we're doing sure that it's doing and making sure that it's tnere— doing and making sure that it's there. eurovision_ doing and making sure that it's there. eurovision in liverpool. teen.— there. eurovision in liverpool. teen. exesttw— there. eurovision in liverpool. yeah, exactly that. \tr5rtr5 yeah, exactly that. now just quickly before i let you get going, what are our chances this year? i've got to i've got to be honest with you, ali. you know, i'm kind of person who i'm not the kind of person who necessarily all night necessarily spends all night watching eurovision. okay so who have we got this year? what's going on? all right. i can see you shaking your head at me all right. i don't. all right. i just don't. what's going on this year? well the thing is, i know i know you're going to get the sequins out on saturday night and be waving a flag. i can see it already. no, this— and be waving a flag. i can see it already. no, this year,- it already. no, this year, i ton-t— it already. no, this year, i don't think— it already. no, this year, i don't think we're going to win. taetrnete— don't think we're going to win. ttetrnete ts— don't think we're going to win. maimela is tipped to come 10th ttese— maimela is tipped to come 10th ttese-tt-s— maimela is tipped to come 10th ttese-tt-s-to- place. i think it's going to be a place. i think it's going to be e-ott— place. i think it's going to be e-ott tettte— place. i think it's going to be a off battle between, i a fight off battle between, i tntnt— a fight off battle between, i think finland— a fight off battle between, i think finland might it. you think finland might do it. you know.— know, they're saying sweden, ttntent— know, they're saying sweden, finland—really. finland are getting a really

goot—tne- finland are getting a really. good _the crowds good reaction from the crowds tontgtt— good reaction from the crowds tonight. performing in tonight. austria performing in the semi—finals.— tonight. austria performing in the semi—finals. happening the semi—finals. that happening tere— the semi—finals. that happening nere-tentnt— the semi—finals. that happening here-behind me- the semi—finals. that happening here-behind me in- the semi—finals. that happening here behind me in the here tonight behind me in the twos— here tonight behind me in the wes-erene.— here tonight behind me in the m&s arena. austria's m&s bank arena. and austria's song— m&s bank arena. and austria's songlso— m&s bank arena. and austria's songlso .— m&s bank arena. and austria's songlso . so— m&s bank arena. and austria's song-so , so good.- m&s bank arena. and austria's song so , so good. and song is so, so good. and i reettw— song is so, so good. and i really think— song is so, so good. and i really think they're amazing . really think they're amazing. it's really think they're amazing. tt-s wno— really think they're amazing. tt-s wno tne— really think they're amazing. it's who the hell is edgar? it's an it's who the hell is edgar? it's en etsottte— it's who the hell is edgar? it's an absolute tune. _ it's who the hell is edgar? it's an absolute tune. it's a banger. so an absolute tune. it's a banger. to t— an absolute tune. it's a banger. to t tntnt— an absolute tune. it's a banger. to t tntnt tt-s— an absolute tune. it's a banger. so i think it's open— an absolute tune. it's a banger. so i think it's open because as rntsn— so i think it's open because as rntsn es— so i think it's open because as rntsn es-ts— so i think it's open because as much as-is the— so i think it's open because as much as is the eurovision much as this is the eurovision song— much as this is the eurovision song contest.— much as this is the eurovision song contest, it's— much as this is the eurovision song contest, it's the eurovision_ song contest, it's the eurovision performance contest. tot— eurovision performance contest. you—you— eurovision performance contest. you—you see- eurovision performance contest. you—you see thesei you know, when you see these terrorrnet — you know, when you see these performed .with- you know, when you see these performed with the staging performed live with the staging and performed live with the staging ent tne— performed live with the staging ent tne ttgnts— performed live with the staging and the lights and the dancers ent— and the lights and the dancers ent tne— and the lights and the dancers and the vocals— and the lights and the dancers and the vocals on— and the lights and the dancers and the vocals on the night that tner— and the vocals on the night that we often— and the vocals on the night that we often ts— and the vocals on the night that that often is what— and the vocals on the night that that often is what cinches it . that often is what cinches it. teen. — that often is what cinches it. 145? 5“ .t5.«r albie look, yeah, absolutely. albie look, tnent— yeah, absolutely. albie look, tnent-werw— yeah, absolutely. albie look, tnent-werw .— yeah, absolutely. albie look, thank-very , very- 145? 5“ .t5.«r albie look, thank very , very much. and thank you very, very much. and ween.— thank you very, very much. and yeabr tnorotgntw— thank you very, very much. and yeah, thoroughly enjoyed that. settw— yeah, thoroughly enjoyed that. settw-st— yeah, thoroughly enjoyed that. sally-gb views- yeah, thoroughly enjoyed that. sally gb views from sally phillips gb views from ttwertoot— sally phillips gb views from ttwertoot es— sally phillips gb views from liverpool as well . so we can get liverpool as well. so we can get a liverpool as well. so we can get e ttttte— liverpool as well. so we can get a little glimpse— liverpool as well. so we can get a little glimpse .the - a little glimpse of the atmosphere.- a little glimpse of the. atmosphere.-as a little glimpse of the- atmosphere.-as well, a little glimpse of the- atnis;phere.-as well, a little glimpse of the- atnis right..-as well, a little glimpse of the- atnis right. i-as well, a little glimpse of the- atnis right. i will-as well, a little glimpse of the atnis right. i will of as well, a little glimpse of the atnis right. i will of courseell, ali is right. i will of course be ali is right. i will of course te tttttng— ali is right. i will of course be putting the— ali is right. i will of course be putting the sequins on and get tne— be putting the sequins on and get tne ott— be putting the sequins on and get the old feather boa out and the get the old feather boa out and tne teg— get the old feather boa out and the leg warmers— get the old feather boa out and the leg warmers on saturday ntgnt. — the leg warmers on saturday ntgnt. -go. - the leg warmers on saturday ntgtt-go. att- the leg warmers on saturday night. go. all right. the leg warmers on saturday night. you go. all right. the leg warmers on saturday night. you very go. all right. the leg warmers on saturday night. you very much,l right. the leg warmers on saturday night. you very much, ali. ht. the leg warmers on saturday night. you very much, ali. right. thank you very much, ali. right. etew— thank you very much, ali. right. okay—more. thank you very much, ali. right. orsorne—rnorel thank you very much, ali. right. okcome for_ more. thank you very much, ali. right. okcome for you, more thank you very much, ali. right. okcome for you, but more thank you very much, ali. right. okcome for you, but i more thank you very much, ali. right. okcome for you, but i just ore thank you very much, ali. right. okcome for you, but i just want to come for you, but i just want to come for you, but i just want to tete— to come for you, but i just want to tetwe tnto— to come for you, but i just want to delve into the— to come for you, but i just want to delve into the terrifying wont— to delve into the terrifying wortt ot— to delve into the terrifying wortt ot nw— to delve into the terrifying world of my inbox first, because i world of my inbox first, because t—tnwowe- world of my inbox first, because t—tnwotwe wot- world of my inbox first, because i_involve you in. i always like to involve you in tnts— i always like to involve you in tnts-vtews- i always like to involve you in tnts-vtews e- i always like to involve you in this-views a gb- i always like to involve you in this views a gb news this show. gb views a gb news tt— this show. gb views a gb news to ant— this show. gb views a gb news .uk. and karen's— this show. gb views a gb news .uk. and karen's been on and teen— .uk. and karen's been on and karen—needl .uk. and karen's been on and. teen—neet to

karen says, patrick, we need to tttsn—egentel ditch this net zero agenda. it's snowtng— ditch this net zero agenda. it's. snowtng—ent shoving good farmers under and new— shoving good farmers under and mew—ween.- shoving good farmers under and they—yeabr tneti they can't cope. and yeah, that is they can't cope. and yeah, that tslretetton— they can't cope. and yeah, that islrelation to— they can't cope. and yeah, that islrelation to of— they can't cope. and yeah, that is relation to of course the is in relation to of course the tnttetton— is in relation to of course the inflation-that- inflation figures that we're steettng— inflation figures that we're. steettng—ent speaking about earlier on and the speaking about earlier on and tne tnterest— speaking about earlier on and the interest rate— speaking about earlier on and the interest rate rise. and i stoke— the interest rate rise. and i spoke to— the interest rate rise. and i spoke to lfarmer- the interest rate rise. and i spoke to farmer who basically spoke to a farmer who basically sett— spoke to a farmer who basically sett to— spoke to a farmer who basically sett to sne— spoke to a farmer who basically sett to we— spoke to a farmer who basically said to me, we end— spoke to a farmer who basically said to me, we end up taking out toens— said to me, we end up taking out massive loans in— said to me, we end up taking out massive loans in order to refurb ttsn—otr— massive loans in order to refurb fish—our produce,- fish or upgrade our produce, etsetere— fish or upgrade our produce, etsetere .— fish or upgrade our produce, etcetera . and— fish or upgrade our produce, etcetera . and those have etcetera. and those have wnotttng— etcetera. and those have. whopping-interest whopping great big interest retes— whopping great big interest retes-so- whopping great big interest rates so farmers are rates on them. so farmers are going— rates on them. so farmers are going-probably— rates on them. so farmers are going probably go out of going to probably go out of ttstness — going to probably go out of business. they're also being estet— business. they're also being estet-wttn- business. they're also being. asked-with-zero asked to comply with net zero tews— asked to comply with net zero tews-rernts- asked to comply with net zero tews-rernts tt- asked to comply with net zero laws ramps up the laws and this ramps up the trtses— laws and this ramps up the trtsesltne— laws and this ramps up the prices the goods prices on the goods to the consumer. and— prices on the goods to the consumer. and this consumer. and what this tnewttettw— consumer. and what this inevitably will if consumer. and what this inevitablywill-if don't inevitably will mean if we don't stop— inevitably will mean if we don't stop sonnetntng— inevitably will mean if we don't stop something very is that stop something very soon is that won— stop something very soon is that won rnesstwe— stop something very soon is that your massive great— stop something very soon is that your massive great big battery terrners— your massive great big battery farmers-massive- your massive great big battery farmers massive great farmers or your massive great big farmers or your massive great ttg sotentes— farmers or your massive great big companies, often foreign sottes— big companies, often foreign sotentes es— big companies, often foreign companies as well, will be the test— companies as well, will be the test teotte— companies as well, will be the last people standing. that last people standing. and that rneens-goot- last people standing. and that means-good old- last people standing. and that means good old days of means that your good old days of tetng— means that your good old days of tetng ette— means that your good old days of tetng ette to— means that your good old days of tetng ette to go— means that your good old days of being able to go and buy british means that your good old days of beineither to go and buy british means that your good old days of beineither to gyou d buy british means that your good old days of beineither to gyou an uy british means that your good old days of beineither to gyou an arm ritish will either cost you an arm or a leg— will either cost you an arm or a teg or— will either cost you an arm or a teg or tt— will either cost you an arm or a teg or tt won-t— will either cost you an arm or a leg or it won't exist— will either cost you an arm or a leg or it won't exist at all. i ern — leg or it won't exist at all. i ern gotng— leg or it won't exist at all. i ern gotng to— leg or it won't exist at all. i ern gotng to te— leg or it won't exist at all. i am going to be talking about a retner— am going to be talking about a rather interesting— am going to be talking about a rather interesting topic a ttttte— rather interesting topic a ttttte ttt— rather interesting topic a little bit later- rather interesting topic a little bit later on. now i've got— little bit later on. now i've got sonne— little bit later on. now i've got tet— little bit later on. now i've got some bad news for you. if you— got some bad news for you. if wot netten— got some bad news for you. if wot netten to— got some bad news for you. if you happen to near a nudist you happen to live near a nudist teest— you happen to live near a nudist teesn. know— you happen to live near a nudist beach, know that— you happen to live near a nudist beach, know that is— you happen to live near a nudist beach, know that is not where t-rn — beach, know that is not where r-rn gotng— beach, know that is not where r-rn gotng to— beach, know that is not where r-rn gotng to te— beach, know that is not where i'm going to be practising my reneerset— i'm going to be practising my rehearsal-the— i'm going to be practising my rehearsal the dreamboys, i'm going to be practising my rehearby the dreamboys, i'm going to be practising my rehearby the the dreamboys, i'm going to be practising my rehearby the the c i'llmboys, i'm going to be practising my rehearby the the ci'll be )ys, which by the way, i'll be

playing— which by the way, i'll be playing you— which by the way, i'll be playing you another little teese— playing you another little teese sttt — playing you another little teaser clip of— playing you another little teaser clip of later on. if you newe—wtttl teaser clip of later on. if youi newe—wttt te have just joined me, i will be strttttng— have just joined me, i will be strttttng ort— have just joined me, i will be stripping off for— have just joined me, i will be stripping off for charity and yeah— stripping off for charity and yeah,-actually- stripping off for charity and yeah, actually pay stripping off for charity and yeah,-actually pay to yeah, you can actually pay the to not yeah, you can actually pay me to not-tt— yeah, you can actually pay me to not-tr wot— yeah, you can actually pay me to not-if you want,- yeah, you can actually pay me to not-if you want, but- yeah, you can actually pay me to not if you want, but we not do that if you want, but we are not do that if you want, but we trwtng— not do that if you want, but we trwtnglretse— not do that if you want, but we are trying-raise a— not do that if you want, but we are trying raise a bit of are trying to raise a bit of onew — are trying to raise a bit of rn.onew ttt— are trying to raise a bit of money. but yes, i'm going to be tetttng— money. but yes, i'm going to be talking—beaches. money. but yes, i'm going to be. talking—beaches and talking about nudist beaches and why talking about nudist beaches and wnw—tor- talking about nudist beaches and wnw—tor you-i

on gb news, the people's. channel now, channel- i now, we've sterner— . now, we've already sterner— - now, we've already said a channel now, we've already said a lot - now, we've already said a lot tn totew-s— . now, we've already said a lot in today's—interest- in today's show about interest rete— in today's show about interest rete nses— in today's show about interest rate rises, but— in today's show about interest rate rises, but i've— in today's show about interest rate rises, but i've got a bit orreo-t- rate rises, but i've got a bit more _for some. more bad news for some homeowners— more bad news for some homeowners .- more bad news for some homeowners . if you own a house homeowners. if you own a house e ntttst— homeowners. if you own a house near a nudist beach, it means wotre— near a nudist beach, it means wotre getttng— near a nudist beach, it means wotre getttng e— near a nudist beach, it means you're getting a bum deal. yes a stwew— you're getting a bum deal. yes a stwew nes— you're getting a bum deal. yes a survey has found— you're getting a bum deal. yes a survey has found that properties stose— survey has found that properties stose to— survey has found that properties close to nudist— survey has found that properties close to nudist beaches are wortt— close to nudist beaches are wortt sto— close to nudist beaches are worth 5% less— close to nudist beaches are worth 5% less than homes just a new— worth 5% less than homes just a new sntes— worth 5% less than homes just a few miles down— worth 5% less than homes just a few miles down the road. i think tnts— few miles down the road. i think we ts— few miles down the road. i think we ts tnts— few miles down the road. i think this is this is— few miles down the road. i think this is this is ridiculous. is it this is this is ridiculous. is tt note— this is this is ridiculous. is tt note ts— this is this is ridiculous. is it not? is this— this is this is ridiculous. is it not? is this not just discrimination against people wno— discrimination against people wno ttte— discrimination against people wno ttte to— discrimination against people who like to get— discrimination against people who like to get their kit off ent— who like to get their kit off ent ent-ow— who like to get their kit off and enjoy themselves with like rntntet— and enjoy themselves with like minded individual pals? on that note.— minded individual pals? on that note. tn— minded individual pals? on that note, i'm joined— minded individual pals? on that note, i'm joined now by neil cox:— note, i'm joined now by neil sow wno— note, i'm joined now by neil sow wno ts— note, i'm joined now by neil cox, who is an— note, i'm joined now by neil cox, who is an who is a naturist . soot— cox, who is an who is a naturist . soot stttt— cox, who is an who is a naturist . good stuff. neil.— cox, who is an who is a naturist . good stuff. neil. i— cox, who is an who is a naturist . good stuff. neil. i won't ask

you— . good stuff. neil. i won't ask wot to— . good stuff. neil. i won't ask wot to stent— . good stuff. neil. i won't ask you to stand up.— . good stuff. neil. i won't ask you to stand up. so so, so do you— you to stand up. so so, so do wot wotrsett— you to stand up. so so, so do you yourself frequent nudist teesnes— you yourself frequent nudist teesnes . — you yourself frequent nudist beaches . so— you yourself frequent nudist beaches . so it's- you yourself frequent nudist beaches. you yourself frequent nudist beaches . . 5“ you yourself frequent nudist beaches. you yourself frequent nudist beaches . . 5“ 5“ beaches. so it's been a been a while , patrick isn't it? oh, while, patrick isn't it? oh, i live down the road from you. so i'm central england. so quite a tong— i'm central england. so quite a tong wew— i'm central england. so quite a long way from the nearest beach. right so probably not a beach man myself. i'm not a right so probably not a beach man myself . i'm not a beach right so probably not a beach man myself. i'm not a beach man wotrsett— man myself. i'm not a beach man wotrsett ttt— man myself. i'm not a beach man wotrsett ttt. t— man myself. i'm not a beach man yourself, but, i mean,— i'm not a beach man yourself, but, i mean, why do teotte— yourself, but, i mean, why do teotte to— yourself, but, i mean, why do teotte to te— yourself, but, i mean, why do people do it? why do people feel the people do it? why do people feel tne neet— people do it? why do people feel tne neet to— people do it? why do people feel tne neet to .— people do it? why do people feel the need to . well,— people do it? why do people feel the need to . well, get their kit the need to. well, get their kit off the need to. well, get their kit on e— the need to. well, get their kit on e t— the need to. well, get their kit on e t tntnt— the need to. well, get their kit off .7 i think it's— the need to. well, get their kit off? i think it's just the need to. well, get their kit off ? i think it's just a the need to. well, get their kit off? i think it's just a sense off? i think it's just a sense or treetorn— off? i think it's just a sense of freedom, isn't- off? i think it's just a sense of freedom, isn't it ? �*ft�*t5 1: of freedom, isn't it? we chatted test— of freedom, isn't it? we chatted last year. i think september time around this. and guess why not? does there need to be a bigger reason than that? no , i bigger reason than that? no, i was looking at the beach- t1t1t51 .5“?.7 no, i was looking at the beach survey as was looking at the beach survey es wett. — was looking at the beach survey es wett. ttgnt— was looking at the beach survey as well. right. and— was looking at the beach survey as well. 31d“. ' 1 was looking at the beach survey as well. 315.31 as well. right. and think they need a better estate agent, don't they ? the company that did don't they? the company that did this, sarah , an estate agent. this, sarah, an estate agent. the research and it seems a bit mad to think anyone would be bothered about a beach being nearby. we like beaches, don't we? like naked people ? yeah. i'm we? like naked people? yeah. i'm in a way . i we? like naked people? yeah. i'm in a way. i suppose so. i mean, i in a way. i suppose so. i mean,

t rntst— in a way. i suppose so. i mean, t ntst sew— in a way. i suppose so. i mean, t ntst sew .— in a way. i suppose so. i mean, tntst sew . tts— in a way. i suppose so. i mean, i must say , it's one— in a way. i suppose so. i mean, i must say , it's one of- 5“ i suppose so. i mean, i must say , it's one of those i must say, it's one of those tntngs— i must say, it's one of those tntngs tner— i must say, it's one of those things that maybe the estate egent— things that maybe the estate egent rntgnt— things that maybe the estate agent might leave out of the trosttre— agent might leave out of the brochure. you— agent might leave out of the brochure. you know, i've got a wonterttt— brochure. you know, i've got a wonderful panoramic view of wonderful panoramic view here of the wonderful panoramic view here of tne-nont— wonderful panoramic view here of tne-ton-t toot- wonderful panoramic view here of the don't look down. the coastline. don't look down. tenorrnets— the coastline. don't look down. panoramic view— the coastline. don't look down. panoramic view of— the coastline. don't look down. panoramic view of the coast line tere—tnts. i here. you know, look at this. tot-we— here. you know, look at this. tot-vene— here. you know, look at this. you've .a lovely- here. you know, look at this. you've a lovely open plan, you've got a lovely open plan, tttsnen— you've got a lovely open plan, kitchen-living— you've got a lovely open plan, kitchen living area. don't kitchen and living area. don't toot— kitchen and living area. don't toot-tner— kitchen and living area. don't look-that-butl kitchen and living area. don't. look-that-but can look out of that window, but can you— look out of that window, but can wot—teotte- look out of that window, but can. wot—teotte rntgnt look out of that window, but can you want people might look out of that window, but can you want to people might look out of that window, but can you want to buy people might look out of that window, but can you want to buy a people might look out of that window, but can you want to buy a house ole might look out of that window, but can you want to buy a house neariight look out of that window, but can you want to buy a house near a|ht not want to buy a house near a ntttst— not want to buy a house near a nudist beach?— not want to buy a house near a nudist beach? i— not want to buy a house near a nudist beach? i don't think tnet-s— nudist beach? i don't think tnet-s wnet— nudist beach? i don't think that's what the— nudist beach? i don't think that's what the survey was reettw— that's what the survey was really talking— that's what the survey was really talking about, was it? so really talking about, was it? so esttettw— really talking about, was it? so actually did— really talking about, was it? so actually did a— really talking about, was it? so actually did a bit- really talking about, was it? so actually did a bit of- really talking about, was it? so actually did a bit of digging into because i like i like into it because i like i like some and i'd like they're some data and i'd like they're actually houses actually talking about houses that it's a ten mile radius. right. you're actually right. so you're actually talking town talking about the next town over or next over. so or the next city over. so i don't think it's particularly relevant. some people won't want to be directly next to a nudist. some would find it difficult to believe anyone's going to be. i don't think this is having an impact on house prices. is it? would you buy a house near a nudist beach? erg to be honest wttn— nudist beach? erg to be honest wttn your— nudist beach? erg to be honest wttn yourlwas_ nudist beach? erg to be honest with you,iwas-this. i with you, i was thinking this. i ton-t— with you, i was thinking this. i ton-t reettw— with you, i was thinking this. i don't really think— with you, i was thinking this. i don't really think i'd care esttettw.— don't really think i'd care actually. honestly don't really think i'd care- actually.-honestly don't actually. yeah. i honestly don't tntnt— actually. yeah. i honestly don't tntnt tt— actually. yeah. i honestly don't think i'd care.— actually. yeah. i honestly don't think i'd care. i— actually. yeah. i honestly don't think i'd care. i mean, if enwtttng— think i'd care. i mean, if enwtntng. t— think i'd care. i mean, if anything, i-it- think i'd care. i mean, if anything, i it would be anything, i think it would be a wonterttt— anything, i think it would be a wonderful-point- anything, i think it would be a wonderful-point ,- wonderful talking point, wotttn-t— wonderful talking point,

wouldn't maybe, wonderful talking point,- wouldn't- maybe, who wouldn't it? and maybe, who knows— wouldn't it? and maybe, who tnows ?— wouldn't it? and maybe, who knows ? maybe— wouldn't it? and maybe, who knows ? maybe could. i could knows? maybe i could. i could get— knows? maybe i could. i could get tnwotwet. — knows? maybe i could. i could get involved. on— knows? maybe i could. i could get involved. on that note, wett— get involved. on that note, wett. en— get involved. on that note, neil. oh that— get involved. on that note, neil. on that note, i. i'm going to te— neil. on that note, i. i'm going to te tenstng— neil. on that note, i. i'm going to be dancing on— neil. on that note, i. i'm going to be dancing on stage with the treerntows— to be dancing on stage with the dreamboys, which— to be dancing on stage with the dreamboys, which is a group of mete— dreamboys, which is a group of nete strttters— dreamboys, which is a group of male strippers. and i'm doing tner— male strippers. and i'm doing we on— male strippers. and i'm doing we on on— male strippers. and i'm doing that on on june— male strippers. and i'm doing that on on june the 28th at and ten — that on on june the 28th at and ten gotng— that on on june the 28th at and ten gotng to— that on on june the 28th at and i'm going to play— that on on june the 28th at and i'm going to play people a ttttte— i'm going to play people a ttttte ttt— i'm going to play people a little bit of— i'm going to play people a little bit of a— i'm going to play people a little bit of a clip because twe— little bit of a clip because we teen— little bit of a clip because i've been practising and reneerstng— i've been practising and rehearsing very, very hard. but i i rehearsing very, very hard. but t—t strtggtel i must say, neil, i struggle a ttttte— i must say, neil, i struggle a tttttelwttn— i must say, neil, i struggle a little .with my— i must say, neil, i struggle a little with my own body at little bit with my own body at tttnes— little bit with my own body at ttrnes. ant— little bit with my own body at times. and clearly you are very sorntortette— times. and clearly you are very comfortable-your— times. and clearly you are very comfortable your skin and comfortable in your own skin and tnteet— comfortable in your own skin and tnteet. no— comfortable in your own skin and indeed, now the— comfortable in your own skin and indeed, now the nation is having tolwerw— indeed, now the nation is having to very comfortable with your to be very comfortable with your own—t- to be very comfortable with your own—t ttst- own skin as well. and i just wonteret— own skin as well. and i just wondered what— own skin as well. and i just wondered what what advice you rntgnt— wondered what what advice you rntgnt-to— wondered what what advice you rntgnt-to gtwe- wondered what what advice you might-to give .to i might be able to give me to rnewte— might be able to give me to newte tet— might be able to give me to newte tet go— might be able to give me to maybe let go of— might be able to give me to maybe let go of some embarrassment. i actually did a true— embarrassment. i actually did a little documentary— embarrassment. i actually did a little documentary for channel 4 etott— little documentary for channel 4 etott mete— little documentary for channel 4 about male body— little documentary for channel 4 about male body confidence and a snet— about male body confidence and a step tner— about male body confidence and a step we wes— about male body confidence and a chap that was maybe going tnrotgn— chap that was maybe going through some— chap that was maybe going through some of the same issues or concerns you were going tnrotgn— or concerns you were going through around— or concerns you were going through around it. ' 1 through around it. and i think it's the normalisation of the body, isn't it? right. so we get this image portrayed to us of what a body should look like, what a body should look like, what a body should look like, what a dream boy should look

like, potential albie how like, potential albie and how many of us are dream boys really? 98% of us. 99% of us aren't. so we've all got different bodies and we should be happy with those right ? different bodies and we should be happy with those right? i'm trying to let go of that . well, trying to let go of that. well, exactly. presented _ trying to let go of that. well, exactly. presented to- “g grit well, exactly. presented to you. teesttw— exactly. presented to you. toesttw ant — exactly. presented to you. exactly and i— exactly. presented to you. exactly and i think something tnet-s— exactly and i think something tnet-s nettng— exactly and i think something that's making me feel better etott— that's making me feel better etott tt— that's making me feel better etott tt ts— that's making me feel better about it is that— that's making me feel better about it is that i— that's making me feel better about it is that i am trying to etse— about it is that i am trying to e ttt— about it is that i am trying to raise a bit of— about it is that i am trying to raise a bit of money for sterttw— raise a bit of money for snerttwlt- raise a bit of money for charity,-i will- raise a bit of money for charity, i will shamelessly charity, and i will shamelessly be charity, and i will shamelesslyi te—tnts be pumping out the link to this snerttw— be pumping out the link to this snerttw-tn— be pumping out the link to this snerttw-tn tne- be pumping out the link to this charity in the show. charity later on in the show. wett— charity later on in the show. wet-tnere— charity later on in the show. neil-there a- charity later on in the show. neil-there a bit- charity later on in the show. neil there a bit of neil but is there a bit of a misconception— neil but is there a bit of a misconception perhaps with the ntttst— misconception perhaps with the ntttst or— misconception perhaps with the nudist or naturist— misconception perhaps with the nudist or naturist community tner— nudist or naturist community tnet—ttwel nudist or naturist community. that—live near nudist or naturist community. tinude_live near nudist or naturist community tinude beach, live near nudist or naturist community tinude beach, that live near nudist or naturist community tinude beach, that there'snear a nude beach, that there's sonnetntng— a nude beach, that there's something perverse about it and tner— something perverse about it and we tner— something perverse about it and that that might— something perverse about it and that that might pose some kind of that that might pose some kind or ttst— that that might pose some kind or rtst e — that that might pose some kind or rtste tts— that that might pose some kind of risk ? it's quite— that that might pose some kind of risk ? . t1. 5“.t51t55. “g of risk? it's quite interesting, isn't it , of risk? it's quite interesting, isn't it, because i don't know . isn't it, because i don't know. i can't. i chat to a couple of other people. i can't think of any houses which actually are near a nudist beach. right. naturism is all about being in nature, acting nature, being connect, acting with scenery , the greenery with the scenery, the greenery around. i think there around. so i don't think there are houses next to are houses that are next to naturist beaches. that . naturist beaches. i think that. but, uh , there can be but, uh, there can be misconceptions around that.

isn't that just lack of understanding, isn't isn't that just lack of understanding , isn't it? isn't that just lack of understanding, isn't it? many think we don't understand. we tend to be a bit scared or a bit nervous of yeah, when people talk about it, you understand it. and that mystery moves away. yeah i mean, i'm having a look at yeah i mean, i'm having a look et sonne— yeah i mean, i'm having a look et ot— yeah i mean, i'm having a look at some of the,— yeah i mean, i'm having a look at some of the, some- / i mean, i'm having a look at some of the, some of the uk's test— at some of the, some of the uk's test retet— at some of the, some of the uk's best rated nudist— at some of the, some of the uk's best rated nudist beaches. tnere-s— best rated nudist beaches. tnere-s one— best rated nudist beaches. there's one in— best rated nudist beaches. there's one in brighton in east stsse— there's one in brighton in east stsse tne— there's one in brighton in east sussex. the study— there's one in brighton in east sussex. the study island wettrtst— sussex. the study island naturist beach in dorset, which i naturist beach in dorset, which t sen— naturist beach in dorset, which t ontw— naturist beach in dorset, which i can only assume— naturist beach in dorset, which i can only assume is named after the i can only assume is named after tne teotte— i can only assume is named after tne teotte wno— i can only assume is named after the people who frequent that tner— the people who frequent that we teesn — the people who frequent that that beach there— the people who frequent that that beach there . we've also got that beach there. we've also got rye that beach there. we've also got ttwe nertotr— that beach there. we've also got rye harbour nature reserve, east stsse — rye harbour nature reserve, east stsse stsse— rye harbour nature reserve, east sussex. sussex appears to be big for sussex. sussex appears to be big tor tne— sussex. sussex appears to be big for the naturist— sussex. sussex appears to be big for the naturist community. do you— for the naturist community. do you guys— for the naturist community. do wot gtws newe— for the naturist community. do you guys have like kind of onttne— you guys have like kind of online forums— you guys have like kind of online forums that you go on and toot— online forums that you go on and toot tt— online forums that you go on and toot tt ent— online forums that you go on and hook up and meet— online forums that you go on and hook up and meet each other ? um hook up and meet each other? um trtttsn— hook up and meet each other? um british naturism _ hook up and meet each other? um british naturism is— hook up and meet each other? um british naturism is a national totw. — british naturism is a national totw. ttere-s— british naturism is a national body. there's a— british naturism is a national body. there's a forum site there, there's facebook groups . there, there's facebook groups. i guess that's the same as any organisation or movement, isn't it? i'm a member of a climbing group. i'm a member of a naturist group , south coast team naturist group, south coast team . do you climb naked ? i have . do you climb naked? i have sttnntet— . do you climb naked? i have climbed naked. yeah. on

occasion. wow dangerous. dangerous pastime, right? burn, i imagine, would be an- tg 315“? burn, i imagine, would be an issue tnere— i imagine, would be an issue were .— i imagine, would be an issue were . to— i imagine, would be an issue were . to te— i imagine, would be an issue there . to be fair,— i imagine, would be an issue there . to be fair, i don't know there. to be fair, i don't know wnet— there. to be fair, i don't know we wot-t— there. to be fair, i don't know what you'd necessarily hook it on to.— what you'd necessarily hook it on to. ttt— what you'd necessarily hook it on to. ttt t— what you'd necessarily hook it on to, but i don't— what you'd necessarily hook it on to, but i don't need to know, wett— on to, but i don't need to know, wettlton-t— on to, but i don't need to know, neil.idon't need— on to, but i don't need to know, neil.idon't need to— on to, but i don't need to know, neil. don't need to know. and neil. i don't need to know. and toes— neil. i don't need to know. and nor does anybody— neil. i don't need to know. and nor does anybody can nor does anybody else. can i ask:— nor does anybody else. can i est-wort— nor does anybody else. can i ask,-work from - nor does anybody else. can i ask, work from home? ask, do you work from home? i go.— ask, do you work from home? i to. ween.— ask, do you work from home? i to. ween. ttgnt— ask, do you work from home? i do, yeah. right. probably for the do, yeah. right. probably for tne—tt- do, yeah. right. probably for tne—ttlwotl the best. that is it. do you tttnt— the best. that is it. do you two-.— the best. that is it. do you think,., they've- the best. that is it. do you think, , they've got. the best. that is it. do you think, ,they've got. 5“t5«r think, uh, they've got. they've got tset— think, uh, they've got. they've got test to— think, uh, they've got. they've got test to tt— think, uh, they've got. they've got used to it. my employer haven't so i'll cycle haven't they. so i'll cycle to work naked in london when i'm in london. i haven't quite negotiated office, the negotiated the office, the office but they , they office access yet but they, they know lock my bike up outside . know i lock my bike up outside. that's because look, neil that's fine because look, neil beginning. yeah thank you very rntsn— beginning. yeah thank you very rntsn t— beginning. yeah thank you very rntsn t rntst— beginning. yeah thank you very much i must say.— beginning. yeah thank you very much i must say. and- beginning. yeah thank you very much i must say. and it- 353 “g / thank you very much i must say. and it is etwews— much i must say. and it is always fascinating. i do enjoy our interactions— always fascinating. i do enjoy our interactions and genuinely i reettw— our interactions and genuinely i reettwletrntre— our interactions and genuinely i really-admire how- our interactions and genuinely i really admire how just really do admire how just treetng— really do admire how just treetng tot— really do admire how just freeing you clearly find the ntrnen— freeing you clearly find the ntrnen totw— freeing you clearly find the human body and your confidence to te— human body and your confidence to te ette— human body and your confidence to te ette to— human body and your confidence to be able to come— human body and your confidence to be able to come on and, you know.— to be able to come on and, you know. ttst— to be able to come on and, you know. ttst stt— to be able to come on and, you know, just sit there— to be able to come on and, you know, just sit there and yeah, if know, just sit there and yeah, tt wot— know, just sit there and yeah, tr wot went— know, just sit there and yeah, tr wot went to— know, just sit there and yeah, if you want to just stand up and wave as goodbye,— if you want to just stand up and wave as goodbye, no, don't. okay— wave as goodbye, no, don't. okayr wett— wave as goodbye, no, don't. okay, neil, thank you very much. tnts—sox— okay, neil, thank you very much. this—cox there,- okay, neil, thank you very much. this is-cox there,- okay, neil, thank you very much. this is indeed cox there, okay, neil, thank you very much. this is indeed a cox there, okay, neil, thank you very much. this is indeed a naturistzre, okay, neil, thank you very much. this is indeed a naturist .e, okay, neil, thank you very much. this is indeed a naturist . and who is indeed a naturist. and tnere— who is indeed a naturist. and were we— who is indeed a naturist. and were we go.— who is indeed a naturist. and there we go. and— who is indeed a naturist. and there we go. and i am not at

tnts— there we go. and i am not at we tttne— there we go. and i am not at we ttne tn— there we go. and i am not at this time in the— there we go. and i am not at this time in the afternoon ettowet— this time in the afternoon ettowet to— this time in the afternoon allowed to make a pun or any tote— allowed to make a pun or any tote etott— allowed to make a pun or any joke about how— allowed to make a pun or any joke about how that guy surname rntgnt— joke about how that guy surname rntgnt tn— joke about how that guy surname rntgnt tn sonne— joke about how that guy surname might in some way— joke about how that guy surname might in some way be related to ot— might in some way be related to ot tts— might in some way be related to one of his hobbies.— might in some way be related to one of his hobbies. but let's tett— one of his hobbies. but let's tett gttsttw— one of his hobbies. but let's talk quickly about something tner— talk quickly about something we r— talk quickly about something that i mentioned little that i mentioned a little bit eertter— that i mentioned a little bit eertter-atw- that i mentioned a little bit earlier my upcoming earlier on. yes. my upcoming etteerense— earlier on. yes. my upcoming appearance _with. earlier on. yes. my upcoming appearance with the appearance on stage with the teen — appearance on stage with the teen tows.— appearance on stage with the dream boys,-call- appearance on stage with the dream boys, call themselves dream boys, who call themselves the dream boys, who call themselves tne-nost— dream boys, who call themselves tne-nost-rnete- the uk's most famous male strttters.— the uk's most famous male strttters. wow.— the uk's most famous male strippers. now, was supposed strippers. now, i was supposed toltotng— strippers. now, i was supposed toltotng-weer- strippers. now, i was supposed to.doing-year now| to be doing this last year now for to be doing this last year now tor tots— to be doing this last year now for various reasons, some of wntsn— for various reasons, some of wntsn-otr- for various reasons, some ofi which-our control. for various reasons, some of. which-our control. it which are out of our control. it rntst— which are out of our control. it rntst-tttn-t- which are out of our control. it must didn't happen, must be said it didn't happen, but must be said it didn't happen, ttt no— must be said it didn't happen, ttt tts— must be said it didn't happen, but now it's on.— must be said it didn't happen, but now it's on. and i was teerntng— but now it's on. and i was learning some— but now it's on. and i was learning some of the moves with the learning some of the moves with tne tets— learning some of the moves with tne tets tn— learning some of the moves with the lads in essex— learning some of the moves with the lads in essex yesterday and tetore— the lads in essex yesterday and tetore t— the lads in essex yesterday and tetore t tete— the lads in essex yesterday and before i take to— the lads in essex yesterday and before i take to the stage on wetnestew— before i take to the stage on wednesday the _ before i take to the stage on wednesday the 28th of june. now that performance— wednesday the 28th of june. now that performance is going to be in that performance is going to be tn trontew— that performance is going to be in bromley tickets, believe it or not— in bromley tickets, believe it or not, are still— in bromley tickets, believe it or not, are still available so you— or not, are still available so wot-tnern- or not, are still available so wot-tnern tt- or not, are still available so you-them if you- or not, are still available so you them if you do so. you can get them if you do so. wtsn— you can get them if you do so. wtsn tt— you can get them if you do so. wtsn tt wot— you can get them if you do so. wish if you live— you can get them if you do so. wish if you live near bromley in tent.— wish if you live near bromley in tent tnen— wish if you live near bromley in kent, then feel— wish if you live near bromley in kent, then feel free. you might be kent, then feel free. you might te-get— kent, then feel free. you might te-get tt— kent, then feel free. you might te-get tt stose- be able to get up close and tersonet.— be able to get up close and personal. recorded personal. i have recorded a wtteo— personal. i have recorded a wtteo ot— personal. i have recorded a wtteo of ne— personal. i have recorded a video of me learning the moves wntsn— video of me learning the moves wntsn ttn— video of me learning the moves wntsn r-rn gotng— video of me learning the moves which i'm going to— video of me learning the moves which i'm going to be putting out which i'm going to be putting ott es— which i'm going to be putting ott es e— which i'm going to be putting out as a promo— which i'm going to be putting out as a promo video for eeonrwe— out as a promo video for eeonrwe to— out as a promo video for everyone to see this time tomorrow. so _ everyone to see this time- tomorrow. so-people tomorrow. so you lucky people wttt—see— tomorrow. so you lucky people wttt—see tne- tomorrow. so you lucky people will—see the warm. tomorrow. so you lucky people. will—see the warm up will be able to see the warm up of me— will be able to see the warm up of me desperately— will be able to see the warm up of me desperately trying to fit in-the— of me desperately trying to fit name-boys,- of me desperately trying to fit in the boys, which of me desperately trying to fit. in .the _boys, which is in with the dream boys, which is a bit— in with the dream boys, which is a bit of— in with the dream boys, which is a bit of a—

in with the dream boys, which is a bit of a non—starter. but i am not— a bit of a non—starter. but i am not-for— a bit of a non—starter. but i am not-for fun,— a bit of a non—starter. but i am not-for fun, believe- not doing it for fun, believe it or not doing it for fun, believe it elm,— not doing it for fun, believe it elm-not.- not doing it for fun, believe it elm-not. i- not doing it for fun, believe it or-no,-not. i am. or not. no, i am not. i am actually— or not. no, i am not. i am actually raising- or not. no, i am not. i am actually raising money for the mental— actually raising money for the mental-charity- actually raising money for the. mental-charity-and mental health charity mind. and so .we've collected - mental health charity mind. and so we've collected just shy, so far we've collected just shy, just— so far we've collected just shy, just sty— so far we've collected just shy, just shy .— so far we've collected just shy, just shy . 0t— so far we've collected just shy, just shy . of £30,000. we're just just shy. of £30,000. we're just just— just shy. of £30,000. we're just just u— just shy. of £30,000. we're just just a tsu— just shy. of £30,000. we're just we're just a few quid short of tts— we're just a few quid short of the so— we're just a few quid short of the so grunt— we're just a few quid short of the 30 grand mark. okay so bear in the 30 grand mark. okay so bear tu mutt— the 30 grand mark. okay so bear tu mtut ttst— the 30 grand mark. okay so bear in mind that when— the 30 grand mark. okay so bear in mind that when i announced ttst— in mind that when i announced that .— in mind that when i announced that . wus— in mind that when i announced that i was doing— in mind that when i announced that i was doing this yesterday at that i was doing this yesterday ut stout— that i was doing this yesterday at stout to— that i was doing this yesterday at about 10 to— that i was doing this yesterday at about 10 to 5— that i was doing this yesterday at about 10 to 5 kyiv yesterday uttsmttu— at about 10 to 5 kyiv yesterday afternoon, since _ at about 10 to 5 kyiv yesterday afternoon, since then and now tutsst— afternoon, since then and now we've raised close— afternoon, since then and now we've raised close to eight grunt. — we've raised close to eight grunt. st— we've raised close to eight grand. so thank- we've raised close to eight grand. so thank you very much, everybody— grand. so thank you very much, sustytoty wte-s— grand. so thank you very much, everybody who's been getting in touch— everybody who's been getting in touch to— everybody who's been getting in touch to donate,— everybody who's been getting in touch to donate, you can donate at touch to donate, you can donate ut justgtutugsom— touch to donate, you can donate at justgiving.com forward slash tuuttutstuj— at justgiving.com forward slash tuuttutstnj ,— at justgiving.com forward slash fundraising , forward slash fundraising, forward slash stuttsugs— fundraising, forward slash challenge christie's, that is . just giving.com/fundraising/challenge ctutstts-s— giving.com/fundraising/challenge christie's there— giving.com/fundraising/challenge christie's there have been some big christie's there have been some ttg touttttus— christie's there have been some big donations in— christie's there have been some big donations in there of a grunt— big donations in there of a grunt tt— big donations in there of a grunt or two— big donations in there of a grand or two grand but also just a grand or two grand but also just stew— grand or two grand but also just utsu tt— grand or two grand but also just a few of around— grand or two grand but also just a few of around £5. _ grand or two grand but also just a few of around £5. and i upptsstuts— a few of around £5. and i appreciate that. look, i've got my eyes— appreciate that. look, i've got my eyes utte— appreciate that. look, i've got my eyes wide open to this today at throughout— my eyes wide open to this today at throughout the _ my eyes wide open to this today at throughout the course of the stow,— at throughout the course of the show, we're talking about the cost— show, we're talking about the ststlttvtug— show, we're talking about the cost-living crisis- show, we're talking about the cost living crisis and we're cost of living crisis and we're tutttuj— cost of living crisis and we're talking about— cost of living crisis and we're talking about inflation and

tnterest— talking about inflation and interest—get. talking about inflation and. interest—get that interest rates. and i get that everyone's strapped at the everyone's a bit strapped at the mtuuts—utul minute, so please don't, you know,— minute, so please don't, you tutu-yout— minute, so please don't, you. know,-your-account know, break your bank account in outer— know, break your bank account in most-— know, break your bank account in ottota- ttt— know, break your bank account in ototat- ttt ot— know, break your bank account in order a bit of money to order to chuck a bit of money to the order to chuck a bit of money to tts-touts— order to chuck a bit of money to the-health-mindl order to chuck a bit of money toi the-health-mind . the mental health charity mind. but the mental health charity mind. out-tats— the mental health charity mind. but-have-couple. but if you have got a couple of quid— but if you have got a couple of auto-atom,— but if you have got a couple of auto-atouut, .- but if you have got a couple of quid around, i would quid going around, i would masstvoty—tl quid going around, i would. massively—i will massively appreciate it. i will be massively appreciate it. i will tts—to- massively appreciate it. i will tts—to ”y- massively appreciate it. i will tts—to ttt tol massively appreciate it. i will. be _to try to lose be doing my best to try to lose a ttttto— be doing my best to try to lose a ttttto ttt— be doing my best to try to lose a little bit-weight- be doing my best to try to lose a little bit weight get a little bit of weight and get on a little bit of weight and get ota-aut— a little bit of weight and get on-and indeed- a little bit of weight and get. on-and indeed-with on stage and indeed dance with the on stage and indeed dance with tho otoamtoys— on stage and indeed dance with the dreamboys in— on stage and indeed dance with the dreamboys in bromley in tssox— the dreamboys in bromley in tssox ou— the dreamboys in bromley in tssox on too— the dreamboys in bromley in essex on the -of- the dreamboys in bromley in essex on the of june. and essex on the 28th of june. and that— essex on the 28th of june. and that ttnt— essex on the 28th of june. and that link again— essex on the 28th of june. and that link again is— essex on the 28th of june. and that link again is just giving.com/fundraising/challenge coasts-s— giving.com/fundraising/challenge christie's and— giving.com/fundraising/challenge christie's and i'm _ giving.com/fundraising/challenge christie's and i'm doing it for mutt— christie's and i'm doing it for mtut tts— christie's and i'm doing it for mind the mental— christie's and i'm doing it for mind the mental health charity and mind the mental health charity aut ttts— mind the mental health charity and the-behind- mind the mental health charity and the behind this are and the reasons behind this are aut— and the reasons behind this are autluttt— and the reasons behind this are and iwill shut— and the reasons behind this are andeill shut up— and the reasons behind this are and will shut up about this in and i will shut up about this in and i will shut up about this in a stout— and i will shut up about this in a sooout ts— and i will shut up about this in a second is that— and i will shut up about this in a second is that every single day— a second is that every single tat o— a second is that every single tay to mou— a second is that every single day 12 men-their- a second is that every single. day 12 men .their-lives. day 12 men take their own lives. aut— day 12 men take their own lives. tut—tottovo- day 12 men take their own lives. and—believelor. and that suicide, believe it or not:— and that suicide, believe it or not-stuoto— and that suicide, believe it or not, single biggest not, is the single biggest ttttot— not, is the single biggest ttttot ot— not, is the single biggest killer of-in- not, is the single biggest killer of-in the- not, is the single biggest killer of in the uk under killer of men in the uk under to— killer of men in the uk under to ago— killer of men in the uk under to ago ot— killer of men in the uk under to ago ot to.— killer of men in the uk under the age of 40. and we've dealt a jot,— the age of 40. and we've dealt a tot, tavou-t— the age of 40. and we've dealt a lot, haven't we,— the age of 40. and we've dealt a lot, haven't we, with— the age of 40. and we've dealt a lot, haven't we, with pandemics aut— lot, haven't we, with pandemics ant oottomtos— lot, haven't we, with pandemics and epidemics in— lot, haven't we, with pandemics and epidemics in the last few yoas— and epidemics in the last few yoas ttts— and epidemics in the last few yoas ttts ts— and epidemics in the last few years. this is very— and epidemics in the last few years. this is very much a very toa— years. this is very much a very toat otto— years. this is very much a very toat that— years. this is very much a very real one that i— years. this is very much a very real one that i think we can stop. — real one that i think we can stop. so— real one that i think we can stop. so tt— real one that i think we can stop. so if you've- real one that i think we can stop. so if you've got a few quid— stop. so if you've got a few autt tt— stop. so if you've got a few quid tt wttt— stop. so if you've got a few quid it will be— stop. so if you've got a few quid it will be much appreciated. anyway, it's time now-quickly— appreciated. anyway, it's time now quickly patrick's now very quickly for patrick's toot—woo- now very quickly for patrick's pick _we're goingi now very quickly for patrick's. pick—we're going to pick of the day. we're going to tatt— pick of the day. we're going to tat-stay— pick of the day. we're going to talk-story-mightl talk about a story that might not talk about a story that might tot-ttooost- talk about a story that might not-biggest one- talk about a story that might not biggest one in the not be the biggest one in the nous—tt- not be the biggest one in the nous—t tas- not be the biggest one in the news—it has, for. news around, but it has, for utatovot— news around, but it has, for whatever-caught. news around, but it has, for whatever-caught eye. whatever reason, caught my eye. tut— whatever reason, caught my eye. tut-tavotvos— whatever reason, caught my eye. and-involves the-

whatever reason, caught my eye. and involves the welsh and today it involves the welsh composer,-jenkins.- and today it involves the welsh composer, jenkins. so composer, sir karl jenkins. so too— composer, sir karl jenkins. so to to— composer, sir karl jenkins. so to to toa— composer, sir karl jenkins. so the 79 year old— composer, sir karl jenkins. so the 79 year old was invited to too— the 79 year old was invited to the coronation— the 79 year old was invited to the coronation but was accused of the coronation but was accused ot—ttatto- the coronation but was accused ot—ttattto tu- of being meghan markle in ttsoutso—justl of being meghan markle ini disguise—just in disguise. well, now, just in oo— disguise. well, now, just in case gb news— disguise. well, now, just in case gb news viewers need a tomato— case gb news viewers need a tomtatot ot— case gb news viewers need a reminder of what— case gb news viewers need a reminder of what meghan looks like— reminder of what meghan looks tttolstoutuo— reminder of what meghan looks like,-showing you- reminder of what meghan looks like, showing you picture like, i'm showing you a picture of like, i'm showing you a picture ot—ttootau- like, i'm showing you a picture. of_meghan markle of her right now. meghan markle toto— of her right now. meghan markle toto ts— of her right now. meghan markle toto ts what— of her right now. meghan markle here is what sir.— of her right now. meghan markle here is what sir. karl jenkins toots— here is what sir. karl jenkins toots uto— here is what sir. karl jenkins looks like. the— here is what sir. karl jenkins looks like. the stunt has been a lot looks like. the stunt has been a tot ot— looks like. the stunt has been a lot of interest— looks like. the stunt has been a lot of interest in— looks like. the stunt has been a lot of interest in me since i aoooaott— lot of interest in me since i aoooaot at— lot of interest in me since i appeared at the— lot of interest in me since i appeared at the coronation of king— appeared at the coronation of king otattos— appeared at the coronation of king charles iii— appeared at the coronation of king charles iii i— appeared at the coronation of king charles iii i was there tooauso— king charles iii i was there because i've— king charles iii i was there because i've written some music ,you— because i've written some music ,you know,— because i've written some music ,you know, at— because i've written some music ,you know, at tot— because i've written some music , you know, all for the service, toatty— , you know, all for the service, toatty . — , you know, all for the service, toatty . .— , you know, all for the service, toatty . . was— , you know, all for the service, really . i was quite- , you know, all for the service, really . t: : really. i was quite surprised that some people thought it was meghan markle in disguise . meghan markle in disguise. someone wrote i was there . someone wrote i was there. whoever i was was there to steal the carriage jewels. i look this way all i had in a dish and this one my neck, which is what they give people in la. it's definitely meghan- t: " ' it's definitely meghan markle, give people in la. it's- definitely meghan markle, isn't it? definitely meghan markle, isn't to anyway,— definitely meghan markle, isn't to anyway, otto— definitely meghan markle, isn't it.7 anyway, one of the more ttzatto— it.7 anyway, one of the more bizarre internet_ it.7 anyway, one of the more bizarre internet rumours completely— bizarre internet rumours completely dispelled, but ttoto-s— completely dispelled, but there's loads— completely dispelled, but there's loads more coming your way.— there's loads more coming your way. ttt— there's loads more coming your way. tm going— there's loads more coming your way. tm going to— there's loads more coming your way. i'm going to be talking about— way. i'm going to be talking about what— way. i'm going to be talking about what the— way. i'm going to be talking about what the economic news means-owners of means for home owners and all of that— means for home owners and all of

that jazz— means for home owners and all of that jazz-ttts— means for home owners and all of that jazz this bonfire that jazz and this bonfire of eu taus. — that jazz and this bonfire of eu taus. _tto— that jazz and this bonfire of eu laws. _we-betrayedl that jazz and this bonfire of eu laws. we betrayed by laws. have we been betrayed by stoooy— laws. have we been betrayed by sleepy—patrick. sleepy civil servants? patrick otttstys— sleepy civil servants? patrick otttstysloo— sleepy civil servants? patrick christys gb news britain's christys on gb news britain's

channel all right. i channel- all right. welcome |ctauuot— all right. welcome back, ovotytoty. — all right. welcome back, everybody. it's- all right. welcome back, everybody. it'sjust all right. welcome back, everybody. it's just gone 4 pm. it's everybody. it's just gone 4 pm. tt-s tatttot— everybody. it's just gone 4 pm. it's patrick christys here on gb tows. — it's patrick christys here on gb tows. atat— it's patrick christys here on gb tons. ant t-vo— it's patrick christys here on gb news. and i've got a whopping aoat— news. and i've got a whopping gtoat big— news. and i've got a whopping gtoat ttg noun— news. and i've got a whopping great big hour coming your way. noto-s— great big hour coming your way. noto-s unat-s— great big hour coming your way. here's what's on— great big hour coming your way. here's what's on the agenda. so yes,— here's what's on the agenda. so yos nnoy— here's what's on the agenda. so yos nonoy ntson— here's what's on the agenda. so yes, money, misery for millions. tto-to— yes, money, misery for millions. we're that—economic yes, money, misery for millions. we're that are economic yes, money, misery for millions. we'rethat are all economic yes, money, misery for millions. we're that are all facing. iomic crisis that we are all facing. of crisis that we are all facing. ot ooutso— crisis that we are all facing. of course, interest rates going up- — of course, interest rates going up. _toatty— of course, interest rates going up. _toatty-onol of course, interest rates going. up.-really-on? liam up. what's really going on? liam natttoan—no- up. what's really going on? liam natttoan—no tn- up. what's really going on? liam halligan—me in thei halligan will be with me in the stutto—otoai studio top of the hour to clear up tnts— studio top of the hour to clear up tnts moss— studio top of the hour to clear up this mess. in— studio top of the hour to clear up this mess. in other news, atso gotng— up this mess. in other news, we're also going to be talking about— we're also going to be talking about tnts.— we're also going to be talking about this. how— we're also going to be talking about this. how have we been tottayot— about this. how have we been tottayot ty— about this. how have we been betrayed by sleepy woke civil sonantso— betrayed by sleepy woke civil sonantso ot— betrayed by sleepy woke civil servants? of course, the head of the servants? of course, the head of tno-sontoo— servants? of course, the head of the-service union- servants? of course, the head of the-service union is- the civil service union is tosootato— the civil service union is desperate for— the civil service union is desperate for anyone out there to—sonants- desperate for anyone out there to—sonants .- to not call civil servants. snowflakes _ to not call civil servants. snowflakes woke lazy , anything snowflakes woke lazy, anything like snowflakes woke lazy, anything ttto tnat. — snowflakes woke lazy, anything like that. but— snowflakes woke lazy, anything like that. but why have we not toon— like that. but why have we not toon atto— like that. but why have we not toon atto to— like that. but why have we not been able to set— like that. but why have we not been able to set fire to a load of been able to set fire to a load ot tu— been able to set fire to a load ot to tans— been able to set fire to a load of eu laws and— been able to set fire to a load of eu laws and instead impose our of eu laws and instead impose

tn— of eu laws and instead impose our own? in other— of eu laws and instead impose our own? in other news, we're atso— our own? in other news, we're atso tatttno— our own? in other news, we're also talking about— our own? in other news, we're also talking about yes. also talking about this. yes. snoutt— also talking about this. yes. should nationalise the should we just nationalise the tattuayso— should we just nationalise the railways?-having- should we just nationalise the railways? having a debate on railways? i'm having a debate on tnts.— railways? i'm having a debate on this._transpennine| railways? i'm having a debate on this. has transpennine railways? i'm having a debate on this. has gone transpennine railways? i'm having a debate on this. has gone backnspennine railways? i'm having a debate on this. has gone back into nnine express has gone back into govotnnont— express has gone back into government ownership because the sontoo — government ownership because the sontoo ts— government ownership because the service is useless.— government ownership because the service is useless. i— government ownership because the service is useless. i think tnoto-s— service is useless. i think tnoto-s a— service is useless. i think there's a big— service is useless. i think there's a big discrepancy totnoon— there's a big discrepancy between the— there's a big discrepancy between the train services down soutn—nonostl south, which, let's be honest, ao-onouon— south, which, let's be honest, are-enough,-the- south, which, let's be honest, are enough, the ones south, which, let's be honest,- are-enough,-the ones up are bad enough, and the ones up nottn— north, which might as well be non—existent. _ north, which might as well be non—existent. lit— north, which might as well be non—existent. it time that we non—existent. is it time that we just— non—existent. is it time that we just ttouont— non—existent. is it time that we just brought them _ non—existent. is it time that we just brought them under government— just brought them under government control or could the oovotnnont— government not organise their otovotttat— government not organise their proverbial proverbial proverbial in the proverbial anyway— proverbial in the proverbial anyway wont— proverbial in the proverbial anyway next-to- proverbial in the proverbial anyway next to rip us off anyway next wants to rip us off all anyway next wants to rip us off at tno— anyway next wants to rip us off at to nost— anyway next wants to rip us off all the rest-this— anyway next wants to rip us off all the rest this hour, we all the rest of this hour, we ao-ootno— all the rest of this hour, wei are-going-talking all the rest of this hour, we. are-going-talking as are also going to be talking as wott— are also going to be talking as wott about— are also going to be talking as well about texas. _ are also going to be talking as well about texas. yes. well well about texas. yes. why? well tooauso— well about texas. yes. why? well tooauso tnow— well about texas. yes. why? well because they have— well about texas. yes. why? well because they have got a massive, massive , massive— because they have got a massive, massive , massive illegal massive, massive illegal tnntaatton— massive, massive illegal immigration crisis. massive, massive illegal immigration crisis . and i've got immigration crisis. and i've got a tonne— immigration crisis. and i've got atoottno-tt-s— immigration crisis. and i've got a feeling it's coming our a feeling that it's coming our way— a feeling that it's coming our way to— a feeling that it's coming our way to on— a feeling that it's coming our way to gb news— a feeling that it's coming our way to gb news with me patrick cnnstws— way to gb news with me patrick cnnstws .— way to gb news with me patrick cnnstws . voan— way to gb news with me patrick christys . yeah, a— way to gb news with me patrick christys . yeah, a whole host of christys. yeah, a whole host of goat— christys. yeah, a whole host of goat ouosts— christys. yeah, a whole host of great guests this— christys. yeah, a whole host of great guests this hour. and of course, we are— great guests this hour. and of course, we are going to be going statostto— course, we are going to be going statosttto to — course, we are going to be going stateside to speak— course, we are going to be going stateside to speak to seb gorka as wott— stateside to speak to seb gorka as wott on— stateside to speak to seb gorka as well on this— stateside to speak to seb gorka as well on this massive i mean, you— as well on this massive i mean, you wttt— as well on this massive i mean, you wttt not— as well on this massive i mean, you will not believe the sheer wounnot— you will not believe the sheer woutnot ot— you will not believe the sheer volume of people— you will not believe the sheer volume of people who are otosstno— volume of people who are crossing into— volume of people who are crossing into us volume of people who are- crossing into-us-mexico crossing into the us from mexico ant—

crossing into the us from mexico ant-tnts— crossing into the us from mexico ant-tnts nont— crossing into the us from mexico and this might mean as and what this might mean as wow.— and what this might mean as wow-_not,- and what this might mean as wott—notlus well. believe it or not, for us nont— well. believe it or not, for us nont noto— well. believe it or not, for us nont noto tn— well. believe it or not, for us right here in britain, gbviews@gbnews.uk that email gbviews@gbnews.uk is that email atttosso— gbviews@gbnews.uk is that email atttosso oot— gbviews@gbnews.uk is that email address? get in— gbviews@gbnews.uk is that email address? get in touch. i'll see you— address? get in touch. i'll see you tn— address? get in touch. i'll see you tn a— address? get in touch. i'll see you tn a tot— address? get in touch. i'll see you in a tick after— address? get in touch. i'll see you in a tick after the headlines— you in a tick after the headlines .- you in a tick after the headlines. - you in a tick after the headlines . f you in a tick after the- headlines . patrick, thanks you in a tick after the— headlines . patrick, thanks very headlines. patrick, thanks very much indeed. the top story this houn much indeed. the top story this hour, the chancellor says the bank of england's latest interest rate rise will prove challenging for families with mortgages , as his comments came mortgages, as his comments came after the uk's central bank raised rates for the 12th time in a row in a further attempt to tackle soaring inflation. the bank's base rate has risen by a quarter of a percentage point from . 4.25 to 4.5. that's the from. 4.25 to 4.5. that's the highest level in 15 years. jeremy hunt says the measures will help families in the long run , although it's obviously run, although it's obviously good news, the bank is not now predicting a recession this year . it's very challenging for tantttos— . it's very challenging for families with— it's very challenging for families with mortgages to see tntotost— families with mortgages to see interest rates— families with mortgages to see interest rates go— families with mortgages to see interest rates go up. but unless we interest rates go up. but unless wo taotto— interest rates go up. but unless we tackle rising— interest rates go up. but unless we tackle rising prices , the we tackle rising prices, the cost— we tackle rising prices, the

cost ot— we tackle rising prices, the cost of living— we tackle rising prices, the cost of living crisis will just ntnuo— cost of living crisis will just continue. and— cost of living crisis will just continue. and that's why it is ossonttat— continue. and that's why it is essential that— continue. and that's why it is essential that we— continue. and that's why it is essential that we stick to our otan— essential that we stick to our otan to— essential that we stick to our otan to nano— essential that we stick to our plan to halve inflation and if we plan to halve inflation and if wo to— plan to halve inflation and if wo to tta,— plan to halve inflation and if we do that, we— plan to halve inflation and if we do that, we can bring oottatnty— we do that, we can bring certainty back- we do that, we can bring certainty back to family ttnanoos— certainty back to family finances . _ certainty back to family finances . �*ftt�*tzgl certainty back to family finances. �*ftt�*tzgl : finances. well, the shadow chancellor, rachel reeves, says the rise will be of concern to many british households , as many british households, as today will be a day of great anxiety for many families and businesses around the country who are facing the 12th increase in interest rates in just a matter of months. that means higher— matter of months. that means higher nongatjo— matter of months. that means higher mortgage costs- that means higher mortgage costs already ooooto— higher mortgage costs already ooooto nawo— higher mortgage costs already people have paid £1 billion more wanto— people have paid £1 billion more atnto tn— people have paid £1 billion more arnie in mortgage— people have paid £1 billion more arnie in mortgage repayments oonoaot— arnie in mortgage repayments oonoaot to— arnie in mortgage repayments compared to where they would nawo— compared to where they would nawo toon— compared to where they would have been six— compared to where they would have been six months ago . �*ftt�*tzgl have been six months ago. well, the uk— have been six months ago. well, the uk tas— have been six months ago. well, the uk has confirmed it is supplying ukraine with long—range missiles it requested for its fight against russia . for its fight against russia. to the defence secretary, ben wattaoo— to the defence secretary, ben wattaoo says— to the defence secretary, ben wallace says the— to the defence secretary, ben wallace says the donation of stotn — wallace says the donation of storm shadow— wallace says the donation of storm shadow missiles gives ottatno— storm shadow missiles gives ottatno tno— storm shadow missiles gives ukraine the best— storm shadow missiles gives ukraine the best chance to totontt— ukraine the best chance to defend themselves and the tootston— defend themselves and the decision follows. kiev's toooatot— decision follows. kiev's repeated pleas for more weapons non— repeated pleas for more weapons tton tno— repeated pleas for more weapons tton tno wost— repeated pleas for more weapons tton tno wost .— repeated pleas for more weapons from the west . but— repeated pleas for more weapons from the west . but addressing from the west. but addressing ttts— from the west. but addressing tnts oattton— from the west. but addressing mps earlier, ben— from the west. but addressing mps earlier, ben wallace also

sat— mps earlier, ben wallace also sattt tno— mps earlier, ben wallace also said the united— mps earlier, ben wallace also said the united nations had tount— said the united nations had found russia— said the united nations had found russia had committed war at— found russia had committed war crimes, at least— found russia had committed war crimes, at least so— found russia had committed war crimes, at least so far. p crimes, at least so far. at toast— crimes, at least so far. at least 23,000 _ crimes, at least so far. at least 23,000 ukrainian civilians have been killed or wounded, although the actual figure is likely to be substantially higher. thousands of citizens nawo— higher. thousands of citizens nawo toon— higher. thousands of citizens have been sent— higher. thousands of citizens have been sent to— " gt? thousands of citizens have been sent to sinister tttttatton— have been sent to sinister filtration camps before being totottty— filtration camps before being forcibly relocated to russia. sono— forcibly relocated to russia. sono oooo— forcibly relocated to russia. some 6000 children ranging in aoos— some 6000 children ranging in aoos non— some 6000 children ranging in aaos tton tout— some 6000 children ranging in ages from four months to 71 yoas— ages from four months to 71 years, are now— ages from four months to 71 years, are now in- ages from four months to 71 years, are now in re—education oanos— years, are now in re—education camps across russia . t years, are now in re—education camps across russia . \t camps across russia. the un, as wou— camps across russia. the un, as wet as— camps across russia. the un, as well as the us, investigate . well as the us, investigate. others have found that russia has committed war crimes with reported evidence of executions , torture and sexual violence in civilian areas . now pakistan civilian areas. now pakistan supreme court has ordered the release of the former prime minister imran khan , and says minister imran khan, and says his arrest was illegal. mr khan was his arrest was illegal. mr khan atostot— his arrest was illegal. mr khan was arrested on— his arrest was illegal. mr khan was arrested on tuesday- " g mr khan was arrested on tuesday by oaanttttaty— was arrested on tuesday by paramilitary officers in riot goat— paramilitary officers in riot ooa tn— paramilitary officers in riot goat tn a— paramilitary officers in riot gear in a courtroom. it sparked wttosotoat— gear in a courtroom. it sparked widespread protests across the county— widespread protests across the county, wttn— widespread protests across the country, with more than 1000

attostott— country, with more than 1000 arrested, forcing— country, with more than 1000 arrested, forcing the government to catt— arrested, forcing the government to at tn— arrested, forcing the government to at tn tno— arrested, forcing the government to call in the army— arrested, forcing the government to call in the army to help tosotot— to call in the army to help restore order— to call in the army to help restore order to— to call in the army to help restore order to his rail sowtoos— restore order to his rail services run- restore order to his rail services run by the operator ttansoonntno— services run by the operator transpennine express are to be ttouont— transpennine express are to be ttougnt untot— transpennine express are to be brought under government control . tno— brought under government control . tno ttansoott— brought under government control . the transport secretary has announced . the— . the transport secretary has announced . the decision follows announced. the decision follows ontnuous— announced. the decision follows continuous cancellations. mark natoot— continuous cancellations. mark natoot says— continuous cancellations. mark natoot says tno— continuous cancellations. mark harper says the firm's contract won-t— harper says the firm's contract wont to — harper says the firm's contract won't be extended or renewed. tno— won't be extended or renewed. the department— won't be extended or renewed. the department of transport will tnstoat— the department of transport will tnstoat tato— the department of transport will instead take over— the department of transport will instead take over from may the zotn. — instead take over from may the zotn. tno— instead take over from may the 28th. the train— instead take over from may the 28th. the train operator, which covers northern— 28th. the train operator, which covers northern england and runs in covers northern england and runs tn oats— covers northern england and runs tn oats ot— covers northern england and runs in parts of scotland, saw 1 in 6 sowtoos— in parts of scotland, saw 1 in 6 services cancelled— in parts of scotland, saw 1 in 6 services cancelled in march. wost— services cancelled in march. west yorkshire— services cancelled in march. west yorkshire mayor tracy onttn— west yorkshire mayor tracy brabin welcomed the move, but sat— brabin welcomed the move, but sattt tt— brabin welcomed the move, but said it wouldn't— brabin welcomed the move, but said it wouldn't happen owotntont— said it wouldn't happen owotntant .— said it wouldn't happen overnight . right now i met overnight. right now i met oottoo— overnight. right now i met police officer— overnight. right now i met police officer has been found not— police officer has been found not guttty— police officer has been found not outtty ot— police officer has been found not guilty of unlawfully tntttottno— not guilty of unlawfully inflicting grievous bodily harm on a man who was left paralysed attot— on a man who was left paralysed attot being— on a man who was left paralysed after being tasered. _ on a man who was left paralysed after being tasered. and a wanna— after being tasered. and a wantno tot— after being tasered. and a warning for those watching on totowston. — warning for those watching on television. the— warning for those watching on television. the following tootaoo— television. the following footage does— television. the following footage does contain some ttsttosstno— footage does contain some distressing images. imran wannoot— distressing images. imran mahmood tasered jordan walker otown— mahmood tasered jordan walker otown wnttst— mahmood tasered jordan walker brown whilst on— mahmood tasered jordan walker brown whilst on patrol during the brown whilst on patrol during tno tnst— brown whilst on patrol during the first cowo— brown whilst on patrol during the first covid lockdown. mr

wattot— the first covid lockdown. mr walker brown,— the first covid lockdown. mr walker brown, who was 23 at the ttno, — walker brown, who was 23 at the ttno, ttoto — walker brown, who was 23 at the time, broke his— walker brown, who was 23 at the time, broke his back and hit his noat— time, broke his back and hit his noatt on— time, broke his back and hit his noatt on tno— time, broke his back and hit his head on the pavement, leaving ntn— head on the pavement, leaving ntn wttn— head on the pavement, leaving him with injuries— head on the pavement, leaving him with injuries .— head on the pavement, leaving him with injuries. mr mahmood tott— him with injuries. mr mahmood tottt tno— him with injuries. mr mahmood told the court— him with injuries. mr mahmood told the court he— him with injuries. mr mahmood told the court he believed mr watta— told the court he believed mr walker brown— told the court he believed mr walker brown had a weapon on him and walker brown had a weapon on him ant-no— walker brown had a weapon on him ant-no-to— walker brown had a weapon on him and-he-be dangerous- walker brown had a weapon on him and he be dangerous . and that he could be dangerous. tno— and that he could be dangerous. tno ouonoss— and that he could be dangerous. the duchess of— and that he could be dangerous. the duchess of edinburgh has otwon— the duchess of edinburgh has owon not— the duchess of edinburgh has given her heartfelt thoughts and otayots— given her heartfelt thoughts and otayots to— given her heartfelt thoughts and otayots to a— given her heartfelt thoughts and prayers to a woman in her 80s wno— prayers to a woman in her 80s wno was— prayers to a woman in her 80s wno ntt— prayers to a woman in her 80s wno ntt ty— prayers to a woman in her 80s who was hit by a— prayers to a woman in her 80s who was hit by a police motorbike— who was hit by a police motorbike escorting the royal the motorbike escorting the royal tno wot— motorbike escorting the royal the met police— motorbike escorting the royal the met police says the ootttston— the met police says the collision took- the met police says the collision took place yesterday in collision took place yesterday tn tat-s— collision took place yesterday in earl's court— collision took place yesterday in earl's court in— collision took place yesterday in earl's court in west london. ouottnonan — in earl's court in west london. buckingham palace says the ouonoss— buckingham palace says the ouonoss ts— buckingham palace says the duchess is grateful for the swttt— duchess is grateful for the swift response— duchess is grateful for the swift response by the emergency sowtoos— swift response by the emergency services, including _ swift response by the emergency services, including the air antutanoo— services, including the air ambulance. the woman remains in ambulance. the woman remains in aottttoat— ambulance. the woman remains in a critical condition— ambulance. the woman remains in a critical condition in hospital . wow— a critical condition in hospital . wow oottto— a critical condition in hospital . now polite query have aoootntot— . now polite query have appointed leader clear griffith as tntonn— appointed leader clear griffith as interim leader. it appointed leader clear griffith as interim leader . it follows as interim leader. it follows tno— as interim leader. it follows the resignation— as interim leader. it follows the resignation of adam price tast— the resignation of adam price tast nont— the resignation of adam price last night after— the resignation of adam price last night after a— the resignation of adam price last night after a report into tno— last night after a report into to wotsn— last night after a report into the welsh nationalist party's outtuto— the welsh nationalist party's culture nana.— the welsh nationalist party's culture nana. the report found the culture nana. the report found to patty— culture nana. the report found to oaty natt— culture nana. the report found the party had failed to implement— the party had failed to implement a zero tolerance aootoaon— implement a zero tolerance aootoaon to— implement a zero tolerance approach to sexual harassment, tuttytno— approach to sexual harassment, bullying ant— approach to sexual harassment, bullying and misogyny . the bullying and misogyny. the aoootntnont— bullying and misogyny. the appointment will be subject to tattttoatton— appointment will be subject to ratification by—

appointment will be subject to ratification by the party's nattonat— ratification by the party's national council on . saturday national council on. saturday ant— national council on. saturday ant tasty— national council on. saturday and lastly, the— national council on. saturday and lastly, the bbc has found tnoto— and lastly, the bbc has found tnoto woto— and lastly, the bbc has found there were no— and lastly, the bbc has found there were no concerns about notat— there were no concerns about richard sharp's— there were no concerns about richard sharp's integrity whilst he richard sharp's integrity whilst to was— richard sharp's integrity whilst he was chairman— richard sharp's integrity whilst he was chairman of the broadcaster. _ he was chairman of the broadcaster. a- he was chairman of the broadcaster. a bbc conflicts of tntotost— broadcaster. a bbc conflicts of interest review— broadcaster. a bbc conflicts of interest review was commissioned tottowtno— interest review was commissioned tottowtno ttt— interest review was commissioned following mr sharp's resignation non— following mr sharp's resignation tton tno— following mr sharp's resignation from the corporation in april attot— from the corporation in april attot no— from the corporation in april attot to was— from the corporation in april after he was found to have ttoaonot— after he was found to have breached rules— after he was found to have breached rules for public appointments— breached rules for public appointments . that's your news. appointments. that's your news. vouto— appointments. that's your news. vouto up— appointments. that's your news. vouto up to— appointments. that's your news. you're up to date.— appointments. that's your news. you're up to date. now back to . patrick. i okay, so patrick okay, so i want to start with it's a and it it's a massive story and it affects one us. affects every single one of us. it's the money in your it's all about the money in your pocket, if you pocket, and especially if you own house or you're trying to own a house or you're trying to get housing ladder or if get on the housing ladder or if you're bank you're renting because the bank of has the of england has raised the interest the 12th time interest rate for the 12th time interest rate for the 12th time in taking the base rate in a row, taking the base rate up to and that is putting up to 4.5, and that is putting more pressure on squeezed

households already battling with soaring energy bills. chancellor jeremy hunt says that while the interest rate rise will be painful for many people , painful for many people, reducing inflation is their main target. although it's obviously good— target. although it's obviously good new— target. although it's obviously good tho— 3 although it's obviously good news, the bank is not now promoting— good news, the bank is not now oneddedng o— good news, the bank is not now predicting a recession in this year.— predicting a recession in this yeon n-e— predicting a recession in this year. do very— predicting a recession in this year. it's very challenging for fondnes— year. it's very challenging for families with— year. it's very challenging for families with mortgages to see interest— families with mortgages to see interest rates— families with mortgages to see interest rates go— families with mortgages to see interest rates go up. but unless we deede— interest rates go up. but unless we tackle rising— interest rates go up. but unless we tackle rising prices, the eoet— we tackle rising prices, the coed on— we tackle rising prices, the cost of living— we tackle rising prices, the cost of living crisis will just eondnne— cost of living crisis will just eondnne .— cost of living crisis will just continue . and— cost of living crisis will just continue . and that's why it is continue. and that's why it is eeeendd— continue. and that's why it is essential we— continue. and that's why it is essential we stick to our plan to none— essential we stick to our plan to halve inflation— essential we stick to our plan to halve inflation action. and if we— to halve inflation action. and if we do— to halve inflation action. and if we do that,— to halve inflation action. and if we do that, we— to halve inflation action. and if we do that, we can bring eendnw— if we do that, we can bring certainty back— if we do that, we can bring certainty back to family nnoneee. — certainty back to family finances. _ certainty back to family finances. �*c�*qfg certainty back to family finances. certainty back to family- finances. okay, so that's jeremy hunt there with me now is gb news economics and business edhon news economics and business editor. it's liam halligan, who has just returned . it was just has just returned. it was just returned for a press conference at the bank of england . and you at the bank of england. and you got caught out at the bank of england. and you gon eongnd on by— at the bank of england. and you got caught out by the— 3: and you got caught out by the sting tnenee — got caught out by the sting tnenee .— got caught out by the sting tnenee . god— got caught out by the sting there? 93 fg got caught out by the sting there? gs sg got caught out by the sting there? g»s» sg there? i got caught out by the sting. yeah exactly. there we go. anyways,— sting. yeah exactly. there we go. anyways, g...— sting. yeah exactly. there we go. anyways, here with- g “43?" cokeeccq there we go. anyways, here with all the money — go. anyways, here with all the mone-y ndgnn— go. anyways, here with all the money. right. okay.- go. anyways, here with all the money. ?g go. anyways, here with all the money. 3 g money. right. okay. liam, look, obviously . look, seriously, now, obviously. look, seriously, now, all because people

all joking aside, because people will today and will be waking up today and reading these doom mongering reading all these doom mongering headunes reading all these doom mongering headlines interest headlines as well about interest rates, bad rates, etcetera. i mean, how bad is for people? we did is this for people? we did expect of is this for people? we didi expect-of england is this for people? we did- expect-of england to expect the bank of england to none— expect the bank of england to raise interest— expect the bank of england to raise interest that raise interest rates. that happened— raise interest rates. that happened was happened at noon today. i was nnoodededng— happened at noon today. i was broadcasting outside bank broadcasting outside the bank all afternoon— broadcasting outside the bank all afternoon .— broadcasting outside the bank all afternoon . this is the 12th all afternoon. this is the 12th indeed— all afternoon. this is the 12th interest rate _ all afternoon. this is the 12th interest rate rise— all afternoon. this is the 12th interest rate rise in a row. »ndeneed— interest rate rise in a row. interest rates— interest rate rise in a row. interest rates are now at their ndgneed— interest rates are now at their ndgneen enee— interest rates are now at their highest since 2008. and look, if won-ne— highest since 2008. and look, if you're on a variable rate nongoge,— you're on a variable rate mortgage, then this is going to non. — mortgage, then this is going to non. vod— mortgage, then this is going to non. don eee— mortgage, then this is going to hurt. you see in— mortgage, then this is going to hurt. you see in the graphic, penden— hurt. you see in the graphic, patrick, 2017, _ hurt. you see in the graphic, patrick, 2017, i8,— hurt. you see in the graphic, patrick, 2017, 18, 19, hurt. you see in the graphic, patrick, 2017, i8, 19, interest rodeo— patrick, 2017, i8, 19, interest nodes went— patrick, 2017, i8, 19, interest nodes went up— patrick, 2017, i8, 19, interest rates went up slightly to three duoden— rates went up slightly to three gnonene on— rates went up slightly to three gnonene on o,— rates went up slightly to three quarters of a, then lockdown came emergency— quarters of a, then lockdown came emergency ultra low levels, onw— came emergency ultra low levels, one during— came emergency ultra low levels, 0.1% during lockdown. and then you eee— 0.1% during lockdown. and then you dnd— 0.1% during lockdown. and then you see that escalator of 12 successive rate _ you see that escalator of 12 successive rate rises. all the way— successive rate rises. all the wow do— successive rate rises. all the way no nodow-e— successive rate rises. all the way to today's rate. now, of es.— way to today's rate. now, of de- ae— way to today's rate. now, of de- ae »— way to today's rate. now, of de- ae » sav— way to today's rate. now, of de- ae » say ,— way to today's rate. now, of 4.5. as i say , the- way to today's rate. now, of 4.5. as i say , the highest in 15 4.5. as i say, the highest in 15 weane— 4.5. as i say, the highest in 15 wen n— 4.5. as i say, the highest in 15 wen n wo-e— 4.5. as i say, the highest in 15 years. if you've got a variable node— years. if you've got a variable node nongoge,— years. if you've got a variable rate mortgage, your payments are dood— rate mortgage, your payments are about no— rate mortgage, your payments are about no go— rate mortgage, your payments are about no go no.— rate mortgage, your payments are about to go up. they could go up by about to go up. they could go up now gone— about to go up. they could go up now gone d— about to go up. they could go up now gone o don— about to go up. they could go up now gone d on on— about to go up. they could go up by quite a lot of money depending— by quite a lot of money depending on- by quite a lot of money depending on how big the loan is. depending on how big the loan in n— depending on how big the loan in n wo-e— depending on how big the loan in n woe gon— depending on how big the loan is. if you've got a— depending on how big the loan is. if you've got a variable age,— is. if you've got a variable rate, personal— is. if you've got a variable rate, personal loan, car finance none— rate, personal loan, car finance house, whatever— rate, personal loan, car finance house, whatever it— rate, personal loan, car finance house, whatever it is. so check nne— house, whatever it is. so check nne nne— house, whatever it is. so check nne nne nnnn— house, whatever it is. so check the fine print must be said

the fine print it must be said nomen— the fine print it must be said patrick, though,— the fine print it must be said patrick, though, that higher dndenenn— patrick, though, that higher interest-good- patrick, though, that higher interest good news patrick, though, that higher- interest-good news for interest rates are good news for savers _when the - interest rates are good news for savers when the banks savers as and when the banks nonn— savers as and when the banks pan on— savers as and when the banks pen on nnone— savers as and when the banks pass on those rate— savers as and when the banks pass on those rate rises. a lot of pass on those rate rises. a lot on-neonde— pass on those rate rises. a lot on-neonde new- pass on those rate rises. a lot of-people rely on- pass on those rate rises. a lot of people rely on their of older people rely on their nowngn— of older people rely on their nowngn-and- of older people rely on their savings and also of savings interests. and also of ne— savings interests. and also of nne n— savings interests. and also of the 11 million— savings interests. and also of the 11 million mortgages in the uk the 11 million mortgages in the do now— the 11 million mortgages in the uk say between— the 11 million mortgages in the uk say between 8 and 9 million are uk say between 8 and 9 million downw— uk say between 8 and 9 million are actually on— uk say between 8 and 9 million are actually on a— uk say between 8 and 9 million are actually on a fixed rate so— are actually on a fixed rate so nnin— are actually on a fixed rate now. so this won't immediately onen— now. so this won't immediately oneen oeopde. — now. so this won't immediately affect people. but— now. so this won't immediately affect people. but of course nixed— affect people. but of course nixed-dend— affect people. but of course fixed _tend . be - affect people. but of course fixed tend be for two, fixed rates tend to be for two, 3.5— fixed rates tend to be for two, ole wen — fixed rates tend to be for two, ole wen n— fixed rates tend to be for two, 3.5 years. a lot— fixed rates tend to be for two, 3.5 years. a lot of- fixed rates tend to be for two, 3 5 years. a lot of people 3 or 5 years. a lot of people eondng— 3 or 5 years. a lot of people are coming to— 3 or 5 years. a lot of people are coming to the end of rates nnd— are coming to the end of rates not wee— are coming to the end of rates that were fixed— are coming to the end of rates that were fixed back in 2017 or zen.— that were fixed back in 2017 or zon- and— that were fixed back in 2017 or 2018. and when— that were fixed back in 2017 or 2018. and when those rates do expire— 2018. and when those rates do expire ,— 2018. and when those rates do engine , inein— 2018. and when those rates do expire , their next— 2018. and when those rates do expire , their next mortgage will expire, their next mortgage will be expire, their next mortgage will ie noe— expire, their next mortgage will be more expensive . be more expensive. i want you to give— be more expensive. i want you to give a— be more expensive. i want you to give a bit of real genuine insight now to our viewers and listeners, because, liam, you have just got back from the bank of england and you had a ring side deal. you were part of it, really. questioning of really. if the questioning of the bank of the governor of the bank of england were telling me england and you were telling me some interesting stuff some really interesting stuff off mean, what went on off air, i mean, what went on there. so happens, patrick, there. so what happens, patrick, there. so what happens, patrick, nne mpc,_ there. so what happens, patrick, nne mpg, ine— ”»ss; so what happens, patrick, the mpc, the monetary policy committee,— the mpc, the monetary policy committee, the _ the mpc, the monetary policy committee, the nine rate committee, the nine inch rate neiienn— committee, the nine inch rate setters, _includingl setters, if you like, including ine— setters, if you like, including the governor,— setters, if you like, including the governor, andrew bailey, inew—dnen- the governor, andrew bailey, inew—iinen o- the governor, andrew bailey,| they—times a year the governor, andrew bailey,- they_times a year to they meet eight times a year to decide— they meet eight times a year to decide noid— they meet eight times a year to decide said interest and decide said interest rates and the

decide said interest rates and nne-inieneni— decide said interest rates and the-interest rate - decide said interest rates and the interest rate change the next interest rate change on ine— the next interest rate change now or the next— the next interest rate change now or the next interest rate deeinion— now or the next interest rate decision won't— now or the next interest rate decision won't be until july. so goi— decision won't be until july. so goi d— decision won't be until july. so goi o iii— decision won't be until july. so we've got a bit of— decision won't be until july. so we've got a bit of respite between— we've got a bit of respite between-and - we've got a bit of respite between and then . but we've got a bit of respite- between-and then . but every between now and then. but every dunno,— between now and then. but every we. even— between now and then. but every quarter, every three _ between now and then. but every quarter, every three months, the nonn— quarter, every three months, the bank on— quarter, every three months, the bank of england— quarter, every three months, the bank of england puts out a new set bank of england puts out a new nei oi— bank of england puts out a new set of economic— bank of england puts out a new set of economic forecasts , puts set of economic forecasts, puts end— set of economic forecasts, puts ond noidn— set of economic forecasts, puts ond noidn d— set of economic forecasts, puts and holds a press— set of economic forecasts, puts and holds a press conference wnene— and holds a press conference where economics— and holds a press conference where economics editors can go and— where economics editors can go and gneniion— where economics editors can go and question the— where economics editors can go and question the governor of the denniw— and question the governor of the deoniw eoennon— and question the governor of the deputy governor and so on. and of course, as you— deputy governor and so on. and of course, as you can imagine, i-we— of course, as you can imagine, ive been— of course, as you can imagine, ive been no— of course, as you can imagine, i've been to many— of course, as you can imagine, i've been to many of these press conferences over— i've been to many of these press conferences over the years for my— conferences over the years for nw ninn— conferences over the years for nw and— conferences over the years for nw and toe— conferences over the years for my sins and i've never really deieeied— my sins and i've never really detected on— my sins and i've never really detected an atmosphere like iodow— detected an atmosphere like iodow. noon— detected an atmosphere like today. look what we're talking diod— today. look what we're talking about is,— today. look what we're talking about is, won— today. look what we're talking about is, you know, cerebral economics editors. this isn't, won— economics editors. this isn't, won know— economics editors. this isn't, won know ,— economics editors. this isn't, won know , idn— economics editors. this isn't, you know , it's not like a sort you know, it's not like a sort of you know, it's not like a sort oi ooiiiieoi— you know, it's not like a sort of political press— you know, it's not like a sort of political press conference wnene— of political press conference wnene idn— of political press conference where it's very,— of political press conference where it's very, very oggnenniwe, - where it's very, very aggressive, per se in this oonninw— aggressive, per se in this eonninw. nni— aggressive, per se in this country. but there was a real oi— country. but there was a real sense of exasperation among some of ne— sense of exasperation among some of nne eeononnien— sense of exasperation among some of the economics editors saying, as of the economics editors saying, on ine— of the economics editors saying, as the governor— of the economics editors saying, as the governor of— of the economics editors saying, as the governor of the bank of ingiond— as the governor of the bank of ingiond-ioon— as the governor of the bank of england look, aren't england said, look, aren't you concerned about— england said, look, aren't you concerned about of concerned about some of the nennoging— concerned about some of the messaging-bank. concerned about some of the messaging bank of messaging from the bank of ingiond— messaging from the bank of england_know,i messaging from the bank of. england—know, you messaging from the bank of- england_know, you , england lately? you know, you, governor, telling _ england lately? you know, you, governor, telling people that new— governor, telling people that new-nove— governor, telling people that they-have lower- governor, telling people that they have lower pay rises they should have lower pay rises inongn— they should have lower pay rises inongn ,— they should have lower pay rises even though , you— they should have lower pay rises even though , you know, high even though, you know, high inflation— even though, you know, high inflation-poor- even though, you know, high inflation poor hardest? inflation hits the poor hardest? vow— inflation hits the poor hardest?

vow eniei— inflation hits the poor hardest? your chief economist hugh pill ieiiing— your chief economist hugh pill telling hardworking brits that new— telling hardworking brits that new eenen— telling hardworking brits that they better learn to live being ienn— they better learn to live being ienn weii— they better learn to live being less well off. _ they better learn to live being less well off. and _ they better learn to live being less well off. and there was a inde— less well off. and there was a iinie iii— less well off. and there was a iinie iii oi— less well off. and there was a little bit of contrition. the governor indeed called out the eniei— governor indeed called out the chief economist— governor indeed called out the chief economist and said he wonidn-i— chief economist and said he wouldn't have— chief economist and said he wouldn't have used he shouldn't nove— wouldn't have used he shouldn't none uned— wouldn't have used he shouldn't have used those— wouldn't have used he shouldn't have used those form of words, ini— have used those form of words, inn—nediiw- have used those form of words, but—really much. but there wasn't really much eoniniiion— but there wasn't really much contrition in— but there wasn't really much contrition in terms how contrition in terms of just how inenediiiw— contrition in terms of just how incredibly wrong— contrition in terms of just how incredibly wrong the bank of ingiond— incredibly wrong the bank of ingiond non— incredibly wrong the bank of england has been in its forecasting— england has been in its forecasting today . forecasting until today. notion— forecasting until today. patrick, when the bank of ingiond— patrick, when the bank of england finally changed its gnowin— england finally changed its growth assumptions and forecasts that growth assumptions and forecasts ind ine— growth assumptions and forecasts ind nne nonn— growth assumptions and forecasts that the bank of— growth assumptions and forecasts that the bank of england was onedieiing— that the bank of england was onedieiing d— that the bank of england was predicting a two— that the bank of england was predicting a two year recession nene— predicting a two year recession nene in— predicting a two year recession nene in ne— predicting a two year recession here in the uk,— predicting a two year recession here in the uk, that means the eononnw— here in the uk, that means the economy contracting for two wen— economy contracting for two wen ind-n— economy contracting for two years. that's completely wrong, eonoieieiw— years. that's completely wrong, completely wrong.— years. that's completely wrong, completely wrong. and the fact indi— completely wrong. and the fact ind nne — completely wrong. and the fact that the bank— completely wrong. and the fact that the bank of— completely wrong. and the fact that the bank of england was onedieiing— that the bank of england was predicting that— that the bank of england was predicting that will have put that the bank of england was preimockers at will have put that the bank of england was preimockers on ivill have put that the bank of england was preimockers on all have put that the bank of england was preimockers on a lotave put the mockers on a lot of investment— the mockers on a lot of investment decisions, of investment decisions, a lot of neniinenn— investment decisions, a lot of- sentiment,_consumer sentiment, business and consumer neniineni. — sentiment, business and consumer neniineni. no— sentiment, business and consumer neniineni. so i— sentiment, business and consumer sentiment. so i do— sentiment, business and consumer sentiment. so i do think the dank-n— sentiment. so i do think the ionn-n been— sentiment. so i do think the bank's been too— sentiment. so i do think the bank's been too gloomy. but this is bank's been too gloomy. but this inlnignne— bank's been too gloomy. but this is right? because it's the is it, right? because it's the decisions are made there in decisions that are made there in the that made the forecast that are made there. cetera. and then there. et cetera. and then people rishi sunak the people like rishi sunak and the government people like rishi sunak and the goverthetnt people like rishi sunak and the goverthe can for this, because carry the can for this, because a lot of people assume that it's all their fault. is there a

genuine sense at the moment that we're that we're not necessarily being that well either of well led by either the bank of england dare i say it? england or, dare i say it? jeremy hunt well, look, economics is hard, right? forecasting is hard. it isn't a idn— forecasting is hard. it isn't a science. it's a— forecasting is hard. it isn't a science. it's a pretty grubby noiiiiedi— science. it's a pretty grubby political art. _ science. it's a pretty grubby political art. you are take it non— political art. you are take it inon ne— political art. you are take it from me as a professional eonoin— from me as a professional eonoii o— from me as a professional economist, a lot of what you're going,— economist, a lot of what you're going, on— economist, a lot of what you're going, on wet— economist, a lot of what you're doing, as well as— economist, a lot of what you're doing, as well as looking at all the doing, as well as looking at all nne deio— doing, as well as looking at all nne data and— doing, as well as looking at all the data and doing lots of sums vou— the data and doing lots of sums won oe— the data and doing lots of sums won in— the data and doing lots of sums won in ne— the data and doing lots of sums you are, in the end— the data and doing lots of sums you are, in the end of the day, pining— you are, in the end of the day, oniiing wow— you are, in the end of the day, putting your finger in the air ond—goingi putting your finger in the air. ond—going io and wondering what's going to noooen—weii- happen, albeit it's a well inionned— happen, albeit it's a well informed—i. happen, albeit it's a well- informed_| would informed guesswork. i would say ind— informed guesswork. i would say ind-in— informed guesswork. i would say inoi-in eoniiw— informed guesswork. i would say that-is easily the— informed guesswork. i would say that is easily the biggest that this is easily the biggest dinin— that this is easily the biggest eninin ioeing— that this is easily the biggest crisis facing the _ that this is easily the biggest crisis facing the of crisis facing the bank of ingiond— crisis facing the bank of england terms its england in terms of its credibility— england in terms of its credibility-it- england in terms of its credibility it became credibility since it became independent— credibility since it became independent in 1997 gordon independent in 1997 under gordon nnown— independent in 1997 under gordon nnown wnien— independent in 1997 under gordon nnown wnien i— independent in 1997 under gordon brown, which i think most people wonid— brown, which i think most people wonid ininn— brown, which i think most people would think-a— brown, which i think most people would think-a good- brown, which i think most people would think a good decision. would think was a good decision. but would think was a good decision. nnn—o— would think was a good decision. but—a situation. but we are now in a situation wnene— but we are now in a situation wnene ine— but we are now in a situation where the inflation rate has been— where the inflation rate has been in— where the inflation rate has been in double— where the inflation rate has been in double digits. so at ieoni— been in double digits. so at ieoni five— been in double digits. so at least five times— been in double digits. so at least five times the bank of ingiond-n— least five times the bank of ingiond-n zoo— least five times the bank of england's 2% target since for eigni— england's 2% target since for eigni noninn— england's 2% target since for eight months in— england's 2% target since for eight months in a row. so we're in o— eight months in a row. so we're in a situation— eight months in a row. so we're in a situation where inflation is in a situation where inflation in niiii— in a situation where inflation in niiii five— in a situation where inflation is still five times the bank of ingiond-n— is still five times the bank of england's target,— is still five times the bank of england's target, despite 12 successive rate _ england's target, despite 12 successive rate rises . we're in successive rate rises. we're in a successive rate rises. we're in o niinoiion— successive rate rises. we're in a situation where— successive rate rises. we're in a situation where the governor of ne— a situation where the governor of nne nonn— a situation where the governor

of the bank of— a situation where the governor of the bank of england consistently— of the bank of england consistently chided people like me , inonkiw— consistently chided people like me , frankly, who— consistently chided people like me , frankly, who are saying me, frankly, who are saying inene-n— me, frankly, who are saying there's inflationary danger. there's an inflationary danger. noon— there's an inflationary danger. noon in— there's an inflationary danger. noon in egg— there's an inflationary danger. back in 2021 saying, don't back in 2021 by saying, don't wonnw— back in 2021 by saying, don't wonnw ii— back in 2021 by saying, don't wonnw ii inene— back in 2021 by saying, don't worry if there is— back in 2021 by saying, don't worry if there is inflation, it wiii— worry if there is inflation, it wiii ie— worry if there is inflation, it will be transitory . arnie as it will be transitory. arnie as it noooenn— will be transitory. arnie as it noooenn ine— will be transitory. arnie as it happens, the uk— will be transitory. arnie as it happens, the uk now has a much nignen— happens, the uk now has a much higher inflation— happens, the uk now has a much higher inflation rate than the us. higher inflation rate than the us. donn— higher inflation rate than the us. ennn in— higher inflation rate than the us. ours is 10.1,— higher inflation rate than the us. ours is 10.1, theirs is 4.9 ond— us. ours is 10.1, theirs is 4.9 ond o— us. ours is 10.1, theirs is 4.9 ond o nignen— us. ours is 10.1, theirs is 4.9 and a higher inflation rate than the and a higher inflation rate than nne enoone— and a higher inflation rate than the eurozone. ours is 10.1. ineinn— the eurozone. ours is 10.1. ineinn in— the eurozone. ours is 10.1. theirs is seven- the eurozone. ours is 10.1. theirs is seven and far from inonnii— theirs is seven and far from transit free. _ theirs is seven and far from transit free. british inflation non— transit free. british inflation non donned— transit free. british inflation has turned out— transit free. british inflation has turned out to be very, very niniionn— has turned out to be very, very niniionn .— has turned out to be very, very stubborn . look,— has turned out to be very, very stubborn . look, inflation will stubborn. look, inflation will down. i— stubborn. look, inflation will come down. i do— stubborn. look, inflation will come down. i do think we'll be at come down. i do think we'll be oi sn— come down. i do think we'll be oi on nw— come down. i do think we'll be oi on iw ine— come down. i do think we'll be at 5% by the end— come down. i do think we'll be at 5% by the end of the year, as doen— at 5% by the end of the year, as doen ine— at 5% by the end of the year, as does the bank— at 5% by the end of the year, as does the bank of— at 5% by the end of the year, as does the bank of england . but does the bank of england. but inew— does the bank of england. but inew wee— does the bank of england. but inew ion— does the bank of england. but they were far too— does the bank of england. but they were far too slow to start noining— they were far too slow to start raising interest— they were far too slow to start raising interest rates . it's raising interest rates. it's over a year ago before the war in dinoine— over a year ago before the war in ukraine and— over a year ago before the war in ukraine and had they started eoniien— in ukraine and had they started eoniien ,— in ukraine and had they started earlier , interest— in ukraine and had they started earlier , interest rates would earlier, interest rates would nove— earlier, interest rates would nowe nod— earlier, interest rates would nowe nod io— earlier, interest rates would have had to go— earlier, interest rates would have had to go up by less us so it have had to go up by less us so in wood— have had to go up by less us so in wonid nove— have had to go up by less us so it would have meant less overall noin— it would have meant less overall noin ion— it would have meant less overall pain ion nond— it would have meant less overall pain for hard pressed firms and indeed— pain for hard pressed firms and indeed households. / pain for hard pressed firms and indeed households. “is?" 3: indeed households. yeah, indeed . and— indeed households. yeah, indeed . and no— indeed households. yeah, indeed . and so i think there can be some righteous anger or frustration out there from the ordinary men and women on the street who are being told by,

you know, the people right at the top of bank of england, the top of the bank of england, they're going to have to they're just going to have to accept being poorer. and they might civil might think, well, civil servants who are on like 300, 400 massive servants who are on like 300, 400 salary massive servants who are on like 300, 400 salary pensions massive servants who are on like 300, 400 salary pensions , massive servants who are on like 300, 400 salary pensions , byissive servants who are on like 300, 400 salary pensions , by the 'e final salary pensions, by the way, , as i said to the way, look, as i said to the governor in this press conference today, central banking is all about credibility . are your utterances , is your . are your utterances, is your nennoging— are your utterances, is your messaging credible ? is it as messaging credible? is it as inne— messaging credible? is it as one on— messaging credible? is it as one on i— messaging credible? is it as true as it can— messaging credible? is it as true as it can be? most inoononiiw,— true as it can be? most importantly, patrick, do you ieonn— importantly, patrick, do you ieonn inon — importantly, patrick, do you learn from your— importantly, patrick, do you learn from your mistakes ? do you learn from your mistakes? do you eonigne— learn from your mistakes? do you recognise mistakes— learn from your mistakes? do you recognise mistakes ? that's what recognise mistakes? that's what enediiiiiiw— recognise mistakes? that's what enediiiiiiw in— recognise mistakes? that's what credibility is all— recognise mistakes? that's what credibility is all about. recognise mistakes? that's what credibility is all about . and credibility is all about. and inene— credibility is all about. and inene in— credibility is all about. and inene in o— credibility is all about. and there is a lot— credibility is all about. and there is a lot of— credibility is all about. and there is a lot of groupthink on there is a lot of groupthink on ine noneionw— there is a lot of groupthink on the monetary policy committee. they— the monetary policy committee. inew do— the monetary policy committee. inew do need— the monetary policy committee. they do need to— the monetary policy committee. they do need to get some some more heterodox_ they do need to get some some more heterodox minds in there, people— more heterodox minds in there, people inoi— more heterodox minds in there, people inoi oe— more heterodox minds in there, people that are prepared and none— people that are prepared and have intellectual heft have got the intellectual heft to have got the intellectual heft io-ioen— have got the intellectual heft to-back against- have got the intellectual heft to back against the to push back against the consensus status quo . and they consensus status quo. and they do need— consensus status quo. and they do need io— consensus status quo. and they do need to acknowledge that nioien— do need to acknowledge that nioien nove— do need to acknowledge that states have made, mistakes states have been made, mistakes nove— states have been made, mistakes none-node,— states have been made, mistakes have-made, and— states have been made, mistakes have-made, and i- states have been made, mistakes have made, and i sense have been made, and i sense a ieodennnin— have been made, and i sense a ieodennnin oi— have been made, and i sense a leadership of-bank- have been made, and i sense a leadership of bank of leadership of the bank of ingiond— leadership of the bank of england _this. leadership of the bank of. england _this with leadership of the bank of- england _this with some england and i say this with some egen— regret. i know them all oennonoiiw— regret. i know them all personally. sense leadership personally. i sense a leadership at personally. i sense a leadership oi-oi— personally. i sense a leadership oi-oi ine— personally. i sense a leadership at-of the bank- personally. i sense a leadership at-of the bank of- at the top of the bank of ingiond— at the top of the bank of england-are- at the top of the bank of england are too nervous england who are too nervous ononn— england who are too nervous oioni ine— england who are too nervous about the politics of the

niinoiion— about the politics of the situation acknowledge that on situation to acknowledge that on ieonnieoi— situation to acknowledge that on technical-economic- situation to acknowledge that on technical economic grounds technical and economic grounds inew— technical and economic grounds inew nove— technical and economic grounds inew nowe node— technical and economic grounds they have made some blunders and new— they have made some blunders and new onoiooiiw— they have made some blunders and they probably, probably oennonoiiw— they probably, probably personally don't feel the impact of personally don't feel the impact oi inone— personally don't feel the impact of those blunders— personally don't feel the impact of those blunders in the way inoi— of those blunders in the way that shopkeepers or single nonenin— that shopkeepers or single oonenin on— that shopkeepers or single parents or struggling to parents or people struggling to pay—do- parents or people struggling to now—do on- parents or people struggling to. pow—do on weii. pay their mortgages do as well. and— pay their mortgages do as well. and i— pay their mortgages do as well. and i-iioi— pay their mortgages do as well. and i-that probably- pay their mortgages do as well. and i-that probably will. and i think that probably will add a bit discontent add to a bit of discontent out there. liam, thank you very much as halligan there are as ever. liam halligan there are economics business editor as ever. liam halligan there are econthe cs business editor as ever. liam halligan there are econthe bank business editor as ever. liam halligan there are econthe bank of usiness editor as ever. liam halligan there are econthe bank of england'sitor now the bank of england's decision will impacting decision will be impacting millions homeowners millions of homeowners across the country. as liam was talking about, that and also people looking first looking to buy their first home. for go for more on this story, let's go to national reporter, paul to our national reporter, paul hawkins. paul yeah, welcome to godalming , a leafy part of godalming, a leafy part of surrey, quite an affluent town, but a lot of people here, especially a lot of young couples, move here out from outside of london to try and get some of this basically more affordable. but they can still eonnnnnie— affordable. but they can still commute into _ affordable. but they can still commute into the— affordable. but they can still commute into the .so - : but they can still commute into the so lot commute into the city. so a lot of commute into the city. so a lot of_up- commute into the city. so a lot oi—nn nennl of families growing up here, inongn— of families growing up here, even though-is- of families growing up here, even though is quite an even though this is quite an oiiineni— even though this is quite an affluent area,— even though this is quite an affluent area, a— even though this is quite an affluent area, a lot of families niiii—eonil still struggling with the cost of still struggling with the cost oi—ieen- still struggling with the cost| of_been talking still struggling with the cost. of_been talking to of living. we've been talking to enioie— of living. we've been talking to ennon-.— of living. we've been talking to estate -. they're- of living. we've been talking to estate . they're saying estate agency. they're saying inoi— estate agency. they're saying inoi-nonnei— estate agency. they're saying. that-market-moment, that the market at the moment, ieeonne— that the market at the moment, ieeonneline— that the market at the moment, because the interest rate because of the interest rate ninen-iioi- because of the interest rate rises, flat lining. rises, has been flat lining. ieonie— rises, has been flat lining.

people it's people aren't sure whether it's the people aren't sure whether it's ine nigni— people aren't sure whether it's one nigni nine— people aren't sure whether it's the right time borrow. do the right time to borrow. do inew— the right time to borrow. do inew-io— the right time to borrow. do inew-io noid- the right time to borrow. do they to hold back? and if they want to hold back? and if new— they want to hold back? and if inew—ionnow- they want to hold back? and if inew—ionnow ,- they want to hold back? and if they—borrow , arei they are going to borrow, are new— they are going to borrow, are new going— they are going to borrow, are new going io— they are going to borrow, are they going to be— they are going to borrow, are they going to be able afford they going to be able to afford somewhere—so. they going to be able to affordi somewhere—so the somewhere in this area? so the noniei— somewhere in this area? so the nonnei oi— somewhere in this area? so the nonnei oi ine— somewhere in this area? so the market at the moment very much iioiiining— flatlining in terms of the nonn— flatlining in terms of thej noinn.—io flatlining in terms of the- maths._to work maths. if you're trying to work out maths. if you're trying to work oni—inin— maths. if you're trying to work out—this interest. out how much this interest rate nine— out how much this interest rate wiii— out how much this interest rate rise will affect— out how much this interest rate rise will affect how much you pay,— rise will affect how much you now, wed— rise will affect how much you now, weiilwon-ne— rise will affect how much you pay, well, you're of the pay, well, if you're one of the non— pay, well, if you're one of the new oi— pay, well, if you're one of the 86% of mortgage— pay, well, if you're one of the 86% of mortgage owners who have a 86% of mortgage owners who have oiixed— 86% of mortgage owners who have oiixed none— 86% of mortgage owners who have a fixed rate mortgage , obviously a fixed rate mortgage, obviously you a fixed rate mortgage, obviously won won-i— a fixed rate mortgage, obviously won won-i nee— a fixed rate mortgage, obviously you won't see any— a fixed rate mortgage, obviously you won't see any rise straight owow. — you won't see any rise straight owow. nni— you won't see any rise straight owow. nnn ii— you won't see any rise straight away. but if you're one of the ninoniiw— away. but if you're one of the ninoniiw wno— away. but if you're one of the minority who have a tracker or a wonioiie— minority who have a tracker or a variable mortgage— minority who have a tracker or a variable mortgage or mortgage, you variable mortgage or mortgage, won wid— variable mortgage or mortgage, won wiii nee— variable mortgage or mortgage, you will see your— variable mortgage or mortgage, you will see your repayments go up you will see your repayments go no oneiiw— you will see your repayments go no oneiiw .— you will see your repayments go no oneiiw. in— you will see your repayments go up pretty. in terms— you will see your repayments go up pretty. in terms maths up pretty. in terms of the maths on non— up pretty. in terms of the maths on non .— up pretty. in terms of the maths on that . martin— up pretty. in terms of the maths on that . martin lewis, who knows on that. martin lewis, who knows a on that. martin lewis, who knows oining— on that. martin lewis, who knows o iningliwo— on that. martin lewis, who knows a thing-two about— on that. martin lewis, who knows a thing two about mortgages, a thing or two about mortgages, he a thing or two about mortgages, ne-inoi— a thing or two about mortgages, ne-inoi ion— a thing or two about mortgages, he .that for every- a thing or two about mortgages, he that for every 1% he says that for every 1% increase in— he says that for every 1% increase in your mortgage rate, won—ononndl you can expect to pay around ononn— you can expect to pay around oioni iso— you can expect to pay around oioni one o— you can expect to pay around about £50 a month. more on ionnowing— about £50 a month. more on ionnowing oi— about £50 a month. more on borrowing of £100,000. so that nnonid— borrowing of £100,000. so that nnonid give— borrowing of £100,000. so that nnonid giwe won— borrowing of £100,000. so that should give you some idea about the should give you some idea about ine noieniioi— should give you some idea about the potential increase to your nongoge,— the potential increase to your mortgage, although of course it's mortgage, although of course ii-n—ineneonei mortgage, although of course. it's—increase to it's only a quarter% increase to don— it's only a quarter% increase to don iodow— it's only a quarter% increase to non iodow, now— it's only a quarter% increase to 4.5% today, say for— it's only a quarter% increase to 4.5% today, say for those who on iixed— 4.5% today, say for those who are on fixed rate— 4.5% today, say for those who are on fixed rate mortgages, wnien— are on fixed rate mortgages, wnien oe— are on fixed rate mortgages, which are the— are on fixed rate mortgages, which are the majority of us, wo-e— which are the majority of us, woe goi— which are the majority of us, woe goi io— which are the majority of us, you've got to work out when am i going— you've got to work out when am i going io— you've got to work out when am i going io enew— you've got to work out when am i going to renew? am— you've got to work out when am i going to renew? am i going to do it going to renew? am i going to do in ion— going to renew? am i going to do

in ion iwo— going to renew? am i going to do in ion iwo weonn— going to renew? am i going to do it for two years or— going to renew? am i going to do it for two years or am i going to it for two years or am i going io do— it for two years or am i going io do i— it for two years or am i going io do in ion— it for two years or am i going to do it for five— it for two years or am i going to do it for five years? because if to do it for five years? because ii won— to do it for five years? because ii won-ii— to do it for five years? because ii wonliiliiwe— to do it for five years? because if you.it.five years- to do it for five years? because if you it five years and if you do it for five years and men— if you do it for five years and inen ine— if you do it for five years and then the base— if you do it for five years and then the base starts then the base rate starts to iodi— then the base rate starts to an, den— then the base rate starts to fall, then-going- then the base rate starts to fall, then going to be fall, then you're going to be ieii— fall, then you're going to be den-o— fall, then you're going to be left-a higher- fall, then you're going to be left a higher rate. so left stuck at a higher rate. so inoi-n— left stuck at a higher rate. so inoi-n ine— left stuck at a higher rate. so that's the conundrum for these iwo—nnone- that's the conundrum for these iwo—nnoie iol two people that we spoke to eoniien— two people that we spoke to earlier-the— two people that we spoke to earlier-the high- two people that we spoke to earlier the high who two people that we spoke to ear|going the high who two people that we spoke to ear|going toe high who two people that we spoke to ear|going to haveh who two people that we spoke to ear|going to haveh work who two people that we spoke to ear|going to haveh work out» are going to have to work out wnoi— are going to have to work out wnoi inew-ne — are going to have to work out what they're going to do when new— what they're going to do when inew-ioien— what they're going to do when they-later this- what they're going to do when they later this summer, they renew later this summer, inen— they renew later this summer, inen-in— they renew later this summer, then-in-boxes- they renew later this summer,i then-in-boxes-for they renew later this summer, therthen in boxes for they renew later this summer, therthen coming zioxes for they renew later this summer, therthen coming offzs for they renew later this summer, therthen coming off . for they renew later this summer, therthen coming off . once,» or they renew later this summer, therthen coming off . once,» kiwis“ and then coming off. okay. well, done— and then coming off. okay. well, iiene we— and then coming off. okay. well, there we go. that's paul hawkins there we go. that's paul hawkins there for a little bit. anyway. now the promise bonfire of eu laws has been extinguished and brexiteer mps are furious. that's right . we're going to be that's right. we're going to be talking about all of this. do you feel as though you've been let down by the government? do they maybe fully believe in they maybe not fully believe in brexit you did? if brexit in a way that you did? if you for brexit? hey, i you voted for brexit? hey, i tell maybe tell you what, though. maybe you're who's you're a business owner who's happy about this. i'm reading articles businesses have articles here, businesses have welcome streamline in welcome plans to streamline in a post axing of eu laws, post brexit, axing of eu laws, i.e. keep that synergy maybe between the eu and our own laws . a lot of people out there thinking, hey, we are not taking full advantage of what we voted for in 2016. now get a load of

this though. the head of the civil service union has basically and said, basically come out and said, please don't call us woke snowflakes, lazy words like this. but a lot of people are blaming the civil service for not being able to carve through this eu law book quick enough and decide which ones we needed, which ones we wanted, which ones we didn't, and how we can impose our so all of that coming our own. so all of that coming your way. but if you feel like this is a brexit betrayal, get in touch. our gbnews.uk in touch. gb views our gbnews.uk patrick news

campaign. you're listening to gb news radio . welcome back. let's news radio. welcome back. let's noin— news radio. welcome back. let's ioii no— news radio. welcome back. let's talk now about— news radio. welcome back. let's talk now about a— news radio. welcome back. let's talk now about a story— \» 3g»: welcome back. let's talk now about a story that \» 3?»: welcome back. let's talk now about a story that we enone— talk now about a story that we inone nigni— talk now about a story that we broke right here— talk now about a story that we broke right here on this show weniendow— broke right here on this show weniendow, ond— broke right here on this show yesterday, and that is the ioenionn— yesterday, and that is the backlash to _ yesterday, and that is the backlash to the governor's deeinion — backlash to the governor's decision not— backlash to the governor's decision not to— backlash to the governor's decision not to scrap thousands of decision not to scrap thousands oi id— decision not to scrap thousands oi id down— decision not to scrap thousands oi id iown nw— decision not to scrap thousands of eu laws by the— decision not to scrap thousands of eu laws by the end of the weon— of eu laws by the end of the weon. idnni — of eu laws by the end of the year. rishi sunak— of eu laws by the end of the year. rishi sunak was criticised by year. rishi sunak was criticised iw-neen—iiogg- year. rishi sunak was criticised by rees—mogg last night. by jacob rees—mogg last night. and— by jacob rees—mogg last night. and-on— by jacob rees—mogg last night. and-on nnin— by jacob rees—mogg last night. and-on this very- by jacob rees—mogg last night. and on this very show in and indeed on this very show in the and indeed on this very show in ine ioni— and indeed on this very show in ine ioni now.— and indeed on this very show in the last hour. but— and indeed on this very show in the last hour. but kemi badenoch has the last hour. but kemi badenoch non ined— the last hour. but kemi badenoch non inied io— the last hour. but kemi badenoch has tried to take— the last hour. but kemi badenoch has tried to take the heat off ine— has tried to take the heat off ine nnine— has tried to take the heat off the prime minister by saying

inoi— the prime minister by saying inoi ii— the prime minister by saying inoi i won— the prime minister by saying that it was her— the prime minister by saying that it was her decision on now ieione— that it was her decision on now ieione nne— that it was her decision on now before she made— that it was her decision on now before she made that admission inongn— before she made that admission inongn nw— before she made that admission inongn iw wno,— before she made that admission though by nana, it was massively neiwned— though by nana, it was massively neiwned nw— though by nana, it was massively neiwned iw ine— though by nana, it was massively rebuked by the speaker of the noone— rebuked by the speaker of the noone oi— rebuked by the speaker of the house of commons, sir lindsay howie— house of commons, sir lindsay nowie . — house of commons, sir lindsay nowie . oni— house of commons, sir lindsay hoyle . obe began— house of commons, sir lindsay hoyle . 05 g " c. ”g»s; hoyle. obe began the urgent question . i know that it is question. i know that it is highly regrettable that the government decided to not offer an oral statement on this matter yesterday , given the importance yesterday, given the importance of this announcement on such matters. full engagement with parliament and its committees is essential. before i call the chair, i will remind the government that we are elected to hear it first, not to read it in the telegraph and certainly not a hugh james is satisfactory on such an important matter , on such an important matter, hence that i would always say i'm now going to call the chair of the european scrutiny committee to ask the urgent question. sir william cash yes , question. sir william cash yes, mr speaker. will the secretary of mr speaker. will the secretary oi sioie— mr speaker. will the secretary of state make— mr speaker. will the secretary of state make a— ii” will the secretary of state make a statement negonding— of state make a statement negonding ine— of state make a statement regarding the question of her ioiiwe—

regarding the question of her ioiiwe io— regarding the question of her failure to come— regarding the question of her failure to come to the house ieione— failure to come to the house ieione nne— failure to come to the house before she made— failure to come to the house before she made the written nininienioi— before she made the written ministerial statement and the nenn— ministerial statement and the pen onieie— ministerial statement and the press article today in the daily ieiegnonn— press article today in the daily telegraph e — press article today in the daily telegraph ? thank- press article today in the daily telegraph ? ii” telegraph? thank you. mr thank you, mr speaker . telegraph? thank you. mr thank you, mr speaker. i'm very sorry that the sequencing that we chose was not to your satisfaction . i was . order! satisfaction. iwas. order! order! order— satisfaction. iwas. order! order! order order- satisfaction. iwas. order! order! order order !- f" order! order! order order ! that is order! order order! that is ioioiiw— order! order order! that is ioioiiw noi— order! order order! that is totally not acceptable . not totally not acceptable. not onoeedwe— totally not acceptable. not onoeedwe .— totally not acceptable. not procedure . are— totally not acceptable. not procedure . are you talking to. procedure. are you talking to. wno— procedure. are you talking to. wno do— procedure. are you talking to. wno do won— procedure. are you talking to. who do you think you're speaking to? who do you think you're speaking on seeneionw— who do you think you're speaking to? secretary of— who do you think you're speaking to? secretary of state. i don't wonn— to? secretary of state. i don't woni .— to? secretary of state. i don't woni . i— to? secretary of state. i don't want . i think— to? secretary of state. i don't want . i think we— to? secretary of state. i don't want . i think we need to want. i think we need to understand— want. i think we need to understand each other. sir. i am the understand each other. sir. i am ine deienden— understand each other. sir. i am the defender of— understand each other. sir. i am the defender of this house and inene— the defender of this house and these benches— the defender of this house and these benches on— the defender of this house and these benches on both sides. i on— these benches on both sides. i on noi— these benches on both sides. i on noi going— these benches on both sides. i on noi going io— these benches on both sides. i am not going to be spoken to by am not going to be spoken to by oseeneionw— am not going to be spoken to by o seeneionw oi— am not going to be spoken to by a secretary of state— am not going to be spoken to by a secretary of state who is oinoinieiw— a secretary of state who is absolutely not _ a secretary of state who is absolutely not accepting my nniing— absolutely not accepting my nniing .— absolutely not accepting my nniing . ioie— absolutely not accepting my ruling . take it— absolutely not accepting my ruling . take it with good grace ruling. take it with good grace ond— ruling. take it with good grace ond oeeeni— ruling. take it with good grace ond oeeeni ii— ruling. take it with good grace and accept it that— ruling. take it with good grace and accept it that members nnonid— and accept it that members should hear— and accept it that members should hear it— and accept it that members should hear it first. not a mess or should hear it first. not a mess on wnoi— should hear it first. not a mess on wnoi won— should hear it first. not a mess or what you decide _ should hear it first. not a mess or what you decide . these or what you decide. these nnenneni— or what you decide. these members have— or what you decide. these members have been elected by inein— members have been elected by their constituents— members have been elected by their constituents and they have

their constituents and they have ine nigni— their constituents and they have ine nigni io— their constituents and they have the right to hear— their constituents and they have the right to hear it— their constituents and they have the right to hear it first. and it the right to hear it first. and in in— the right to hear it first. and in in nine— the right to hear it first. and it is time this— the right to hear it first. and it is time this government neeognined— it is time this government recognised we're all elected, odi— recognised we're all elected, we're all members of parliament and we're all members of parliament ond uned— we're all members of parliament ond nned ine— we're all members of parliament and used the correct manners seeneionw. — and used the correct manners seeneionw. wow— and used the correct manners secretary. now can i just ask nnin— secretary. now can i just ask inin io— secretary. now can i just ask inin io won— secretary. now can i just ask inin io won e — secretary. now can i just ask this to you ? j " if. secretary. now can i just ask this to you ? j " is. 3 this to you? dominic raab was moved to one side, wasn't he, for was supposedly bullying , for was supposedly bullying, right in which it was acknowledged that he didn't really shout at people all swear at them or anything. now i'm a big fan of lindsay hoyle. i know a lot of people are. he seems like a kind of quite down to earth, normal guy. but if you were spoken to like that at work , not maybe have , would you not maybe have grounds for bullying? i dare say that might have been worse than what dominic raab was accused of doing . does anyone else not find doing. does anyone else not find that little bit strange, that that a little bit strange, that one of language in the one kind of language in the workplace is better than another? let's cross now to our deputy political editor, tom harwood , who's in westminster harwood, who's in westminster for us. tom, i know that you will have seen this clip of lindsay hoyle to talking kemi badenoch that. what's your badenoch like that. what's your

reaction ? well, patrick, i was reaction? well, patrick, i was there in the chamber when it happened, and i have to say that the way in which kemi badenoch was delivering her response dance really did rub a few people up the wrong way , the way people up the wrong way, the way she said, i'm sorry that the way we chose to deliver this statement was not to your satisfaction. run ins against the precedent— satisfaction. run ins against the precedent of— satisfaction. run ins against the precedent of it- s run ins against the precedent of it being the nneoien— the precedent of it being the noeonen wno— the precedent of it being the speaker who decides how things are speaker who decides how things done— speaker who decides how things done in— speaker who decides how things are done in parliament and the eonweniion— are done in parliament and the convention that— are done in parliament and the convention that if— are done in parliament and the convention that if the government - convention that if the government is to make an announcement,- government is to make an announcement, they must make it to announcement, they must make it io ine— announcement, they must make it io ine noone— announcement, they must make it to the house before— announcement, they must make it to the house before they make it to the house before they make it io ine— to the house before they make it io ine nnine— to the house before they make it to the public and— to the house before they make it to the public and this the way inoi— to the public and this the way inoi nnin— to the public and this the way inoi inin nig— to the public and this the way that this big announcement was done,— that this big announcement was done, ooniing— that this big announcement was done, posting that written ministerial— done, posting that written ministerial statement online . at ministerial statement online. at oond— ministerial statement online. at oond eno— ministerial statement online. at around 3:10 yesterday during wow— around 3:10 yesterday during wow niow— around 3:10 yesterday during your show, that— around 3:10 yesterday during your show, that in the view of ine— your show, that in the view of ine nneonen— your show, that in the view of the speaker has— your show, that in the view of the speaker has showed a dinnenneei— the speaker has showed a disrespect towards parliament ond— disrespect towards parliament ond ono— disrespect towards parliament ond oino in— disrespect towards parliament and also in the— disrespect towards parliament and also in the view of bill conn— and also in the view of bill conn ,— and also in the view of bill conn , ine— and also in the view of bill cash , the veteran eurosceptic cash, the veteran eurosceptic enoinnon— cash, the veteran eurosceptic enoinnon oi— cash, the veteran eurosceptic chairman of the— cash, the veteran eurosceptic

chairman of the european senniinw— chairman of the european scrutiny committee, his erg ingeni— scrutiny committee, his erg urgent question _ scrutiny committee, his erg urgent question that was granted iodow— urgent question that was granted iodow in— urgent question that was granted today in parliament that the node— today in parliament that the node ond— today in parliament that the trade and business secretary was nenoonding— trade and business secretary was nenoonding io— trade and business secretary was responding to that— trade and business secretary was responding to that was in part ononn— responding to that was in part oioni ine— responding to that was in part about the lack— responding to that was in part about the lack of— responding to that was in part about the lack of respect shown to parliament— about the lack of respect shown to parliament in— about the lack of respect shown to parliament in not coming to noniioneni— to parliament in not coming to parliament first— to parliament in not coming to parliament first to show this nnenn— parliament first to show this brexit climbdown and rather niding— brexit climbdown and rather niding in— brexit climbdown and rather hiding in effect— brexit climbdown and rather hiding in effect behind a press neeonei— hiding in effect behind a press release . yeah,— hiding in effect behind a press release . yeah, i— hiding in effect behind a press release . yeah, i can- hiding in effect behind a press release . ks?" c?" release. yeah, i can completely get that. the way that kemi badenoch behaved there was unacceptable and the way that she responded to it well was she responded to it as well was as i would say, when i go back up north a snarky, okay, but up north a bit snarky, okay, but but i think lindsay hoyle's response to that was, if you just walk past a room with the door shut and you'd heard someone talking to a member of staff like that say quite possibly you would have thought, hang on a minute, that's not appropriate behaviour. and we look at it in the context of what dominic raab much what dominic raab got so much stick wonder, tom, stick for. i just wonder, tom, whether not there's one rule whether or not there's one rule for one person and one rule for another here. well well, i can tell you the mood in the chamber

absolutely was on tenterhooks dunng absolutely was on tenterhooks during that exchange. you could feel the temperature— during that exchange. you could feel the temperature in- i: ” g »s;,io

but that was not but wonder if that was not a conservative minister who was being spoken to like that and potentially the potentially someone from the other not there other side. whether or not there would clamour now would be an absolute clamour now and is an and people go this is an absolute disgrace. oh my gosh, you know, how this you know, how is this poor snowflake deal with it? snowflake going to deal with it? but course, is but kemi badenoch, of course, is not a snowflake. let's get not a snowflake. tom, let's get back in hand then. back to the matter in hand then. when these laws when it comes to these eu laws being or not being ditched, right? or not being ditched, right? or not being there are some being ditched, there are some rumblings from the likes of jacob rees—mogg actually jacob rees—mogg that actually this down to a slow this is mainly down to a slow work rate the civil service. work rate in the civil service. on same day that the of on the same day that the head of the service union comes the civil service union comes out don't call lazy out and says, don't call us lazy woke are woke snowflakes. i mean, are they is it their fault ? well they is it their fault? well there's a big question mark over this , of course, because when this, of course, because when kemi badenoch was delivering her statement today at that despatch box, she was saying this was a decision that she herself had taken on and that she was delighted that the prime minister had accepted this decision. clearly, there has been— decision. clearly, there has been some sort— decision. clearly, there has been some sort of- »:»s;»s »s»" clearly, there has been some sort of coordination in iennn— been some sort of coordination in iennn oi— been some sort of coordination in terms of presenting this deeinion— in terms of presenting this decision as— in terms of presenting this decision as something that was

wonied— decision as something that was wonied nw— decision as something that was wonied iw ine— decision as something that was wanted by the secretary of state noinen— wanted by the secretary of state noinen inon — wanted by the secretary of state rather than something that the neeneionw— rather than something that the seeneionw oi— rather than something that the secretary of state was pushed inio. — secretary of state was pushed no and — secretary of state was pushed no and i— secretary of state was pushed into. and it was— secretary of state was pushed into. and it was interesting iiniening— into. and it was interesting iiniening io— into. and it was interesting listening to the— into. and it was interesting listening to the words that she uned— listening to the words that she nned in— listening to the words that she nned in ine— listening to the words that she used in the back— listening to the words that she used in the back and forth ieiween— used in the back and forth between many— used in the back and forth between many of those mps who niood— between many of those mps who niood nn— between many of those mps who niood on ond— between many of those mps who stood up and asked— between many of those mps who stood up and asked those gneniionn— stood up and asked those questions, particularly bill conn— questions, particularly bill conn .— questions, particularly bill conn . sne— questions, particularly bill cash . she responded to both bill cash. she responded to both bill conn— cash. she responded to both bill conn ond— cash. she responded to both bill conn ond ine— cash. she responded to both bill cash and the labour front bench by cash and the labour front bench iw nowing— cash and the labour front bench iw nowing, wed,— cash and the labour front bench iw nowing, war, ii— cash and the labour front bench by saying, well, if i've upset ononn— by saying, well, if i've upset oioni ine— by saying, well, if i've upset about the european research enoon— about the european research enone, ine— about the european research group, the erg— about the european research group, the erg and the labour partyi— group, the erg and the labour nonw, ii— group, the erg and the labour nonw, ii in— group, the erg and the labour nonw, ii in ii— group, the erg and the labour party, if i'm if i'm— group, the erg and the labour party, if i'm if i'm charting a niddie— party, if i'm if i'm charting a niddie noin— party, if i'm if i'm charting a middle path, a— party, if i'm if i'm charting a middle path, a moderate path ieiween— middle path, a moderate path between those _ middle path, a moderate path between those two groups, i must between those two groups, i must be doing— between those two groups, i must be doing something right and inoi— be doing something right and non noined— be doing something right and that raised a— be doing something right and that raised a lot— be doing something right and that raised a lot of eyebrows neoiiw— that raised a lot of eyebrows really across— that raised a lot of eyebrows really across the _ that raised a lot of eyebrows really across the chamber of the noone— really across the chamber of the noone oi— really across the chamber of the house of commons— really across the chamber of the house of commons and up in the nnenn— house of commons and up in the pen goiienw— house of commons and up in the press gallery, because it's very undie— press gallery, because it's very nniiie kemi— press gallery, because it's very unlike kemi badenoch to be someone who— unlike kemi badenoch to be someone who says, i want to enon— someone who says, i want to enon o— someone who says, i want to chart a middle— someone who says, i want to chart a middle moderate course ieiween— chart a middle moderate course ieiween wnoi— chart a middle moderate course between what the _ chart a middle moderate course between what the erg say and wnoi— between what the erg say and wnoi ine— between what the erg say and what the labour— between what the erg say and what the labour party say . she what the labour party say. she was someone who— what the labour party say. she was someone who perhaps lost iniendn— was someone who perhaps lost some friends on— was someone who perhaps lost some friends on the right of the

party— some friends on the right of the eonw nnin— some friends on the right of the party this morning— some friends on the right of the party this morning . g party this morning. interesting nioii. — party this morning. interesting stuff. tom thank you very much as ever. tom harwood there. our deputy political editor expert stuff from outside westminster. but i spoke earlier to jacob rees—mogg, who has criticised civil servants and here's a little reminder for us all of what he had to say earlier on this show . oh, yes, i what he had to say earlier on this show. oh, yes, i think we nowe. — this show. oh, yes, i think we nowe. and— this show. oh, yes, i think we nowe. and i— this show. oh, yes, i think we have. and i think— oh, yes, i think we have. and i think kemi badenoch put have. and i think kemi badenoch noi o— have. and i think kemi badenoch goi o wenw— have. and i think kemi badenoch goi o venw nove— have. and i think kemi badenoch put a very brave face on the iodine— put a very brave face on the ioiiwe oi— put a very brave face on the failure of the— put a very brave face on the failure of the civil service. if i failure of the civil service. if i nennenneni— failure of the civil service. if i remember rightly. it's against the ministerial— i remember rightly. it's against the ministerial code to blame the ministerial code to blame ine dwi— the ministerial code to blame the civil service.— the ministerial code to blame the civil service. so she eonidn-i— the civil service. so she couldn't really- the civil service. so she couldn't really have laid into nnen— couldn't really have laid into inen. nni— couldn't really have laid into them. but when— couldn't really have laid into them. but when i was at the inninenn— them. but when i was at the business department, i was told inoi— business department, i was told inoi io— business department, i was told inoi io deod— business department, i was told that to deal with— business department, i was told that to deal with about 350 dodi eu that to deal with about 350 dodi id negnioiionn— that to deal with about 350 dodi eu regulations ,— that to deal with about 350 dodi eu regulations , we would need eu regulations, we would need eoo— eu regulations, we would need eoe none— eu regulations, we would need 300 more civil— eu regulations, we would need 300 more civil servants working indi— 300 more civil servants working inii nine— 300 more civil servants working inii iine ion— 300 more civil servants working full time for a— 300 more civil servants working full time for a year. i thought nnin— full time for a year. i thought inin won— full time for a year. i thought this was nonsense and said i eonid— this was nonsense and said i could probably— this was nonsense and said i could probably do them myself over a weekend. _ could probably do them myself over a weekend. so i think yes, nnowiioiew— over a weekend. so i think yes, snowflakey work— over a weekend. so i think yes, snowflakey work shy civil nenonin— snowflakey work shy civil servants probably belonging to wow— servants probably belonging to wow iniendn— servants probably belonging to your friends who— servants probably belonging to your friends who you're quoting eoniien— your friends who you're quoting eoniien on— your friends who you're quoting earlier as union. _ your friends who you're quoting earlier as union. kiwis“ c"»s;”»s; your friends who you're quoting earlier as union. kiwis“ c"»s;"»s; earlier as union. well, there we go.jacob earlier as union. well, there we go. jacob rees—mogg, not holding

back when it comes to all of this. there is a growing sense, i think, in this nation, isn't there, are potentially there, that we are potentially being behind being let down by people behind the you know, we the scenes who, you know, we trust to do jobs, keep things trust to do jobs, to keep things ticking over and working for us all, maybe their heart all, and then maybe their heart isn't quite in it or they're not necessarily as hard as necessarily working as hard as they could that they possibly could be. is that something levelled something that can be levelled at at civil service when if at at our civil service when if you voted for brexit and you were a big brexiteer and believed in it and see now believed in it and you see now that are potentially not that we are potentially not really to our own really trying to chart our own course our path in this course and our path in this world as could have been with world as we could have been with these biffing of the eu laws, then maybe feel down by then maybe you feel let down by people whose hearts aren't quite in dare i say in it. maybe dare i say it, those very people who the head of service union of the civil service union doesn't want call woke doesn't want us to call woke remainer snowflakes. those are more still to come between now and 5:00 a major rail and 5:00 as a major rail operator is taken under government control , i will ask, government control, i will ask, is it time to nationalise the railways, the trains up north, i'm telling you, are so much worse than they are down south. what is it time to what is going on? is it time to nationalise the living heck out of while the uk is

of them? and while the uk is facing migrant crisis , find facing a migrant crisis, find out the united states is now out why the united states is now bracing itself for a huge influx of migrants unlike anything. ladies and gentlemen, what starts in america finds its way over here. we think we've got it bad . now maybe we can learn bad. now maybe we can learn a thing or two from what is going on in the us of a, but right now it's your headlines with paul. patrick. thank you and good oiiennoon— patrick. thank you and good afternoon to _ patrick. thank you and good afternoon to you. _ s thank you and good afternoon to you. the headlines nnin— afternoon to you. the headlines inin now.— afternoon to you. the headlines this hour. the— afternoon to you. the headlines this hour. the chancellor says ine— this hour. the chancellor says ine ioni— this hour. the chancellor says ine ionn oi— this hour. the chancellor says the bank of england's latest inieneni— the bank of england's latest interest rate _ the bank of england's latest interest rate rise— the bank of england's latest interest rate rise will prove enoiienging— interest rate rise will prove challenging for— interest rate rise will prove challenging for families with nongogen— challenging for families with nongogen .— challenging for families with nongogen. nin— challenging for families with mortgages. his comments come onen— mortgages. his comments come oiien ine— mortgages. his comments come oiien ine un— mortgages. his comments come after the uk central bank raised noien— after the uk central bank raised noien ion— after the uk central bank raised noien ion ine — after the uk central bank raised rates for the 12th— after the uk central bank raised rates for the 12th time in a row in o— rates for the 12th time in a row in o innnen— rates for the 12th time in a row in a further attempt to tackle nooning— in a further attempt to tackle soaring inflation.— in a further attempt to tackle soaring inflation. the bank's none— soaring inflation. the bank's ione none— soaring inflation. the bank's base rate has— soaring inflation. the bank's base rate has increased by a gnonen— base rate has increased by a gnonen oi— base rate has increased by a gnonen oi o— base rate has increased by a quarter of a percentage point , quarter of a percentage point, inon— quarter of a percentage point, inon ozo— quarter of a percentage point, inon dzs io— quarter of a percentage point, from 4.25 to 4.5.— quarter of a percentage point, from 4.25 to 4.5. that's the nigneni— from 4.25 to 4.5. that's the highest level— from 4.25 to 4.5. that's the highest level in— from 4.25 to 4.5. that's the highest level in 15 years. ienenw— highest level in 15 years. ienenw noni— highest level in 15 years. jeremy hunt says the measures wid— jeremy hunt says the measures wiii neig— jeremy hunt says the measures will help families— jeremy hunt says the measures will help families in the long oiinongn— will help families in the long run, although it's obviously

good— run, although it's obviously good newn— run, although it's obviously good news, the— run, although it's obviously good news, the bank is not now onedieiing— good news, the bank is not now onedieiing o— good news, the bank is not now predicting a recession this weon. — predicting a recession this weon. ido— predicting a recession this weon. its very- predicting a recession this year. g g predicting a recession this year. d g year. it's very challenging for families with mortgages to see interest rates go up, but unless we tackle rising prices as the cost of living crisis will just continue and that's why it is essential we stick to our plan to halve inflation and if we do that, we can bring certainty back to family finances. that, we can bring certainty back to family finances . the uk back to family finances. the uk has confirmed it's supplying ukraine with long—range missiles. it requested for its igni— missiles. it requested for its iigni ogoinni— it requested for its fight against russia. the neienee— fight against russia. the defence secretary, ben wallace , defence secretary, ben wallace, noid— defence secretary, ben wallace, ioid ine— defence secretary, ben wallace, ioid ine nnn— defence secretary, ben wallace, told the mps in— defence secretary, ben wallace, told the mps in the house of common— told the mps in the house of commons the— told the mps in the house of commons the donation of storm nnodow— commons the donation of storm shadow missiles— commons the donation of storm shadow missiles gives ukraine the shadow missiles gives ukraine ine ienn— shadow missiles gives ukraine the best chance— shadow missiles gives ukraine the best chance to defend themselves.— the best chance to defend themselves. the decision follows kiev-n— themselves. the decision follows kiev-n neneoied— themselves. the decision follows kiev's repeated pleas for more weoonnn— kiev's repeated pleas for more weoonno inon — kiev's repeated pleas for more weapons from the— kiev's repeated pleas for more weapons from the west . it and weapons from the west. it and noninion-n— weapons from the west. it and pakistan's supreme court has ondened— pakistan's supreme court has ondened ion— pakistan's supreme court has ordered for the— pakistan's supreme court has ordered for the release of the ionen— ordered for the release of the former prime— ordered for the release of the former prime minister, imran nnon— former prime minister, imran nnon ,— former prime minister, imran nnon , nowing— former prime minister, imran khan , saying his arrest was khan, saying his arrest was iiiegoi— khan, saying his arrest was iiiegoi .— khan, saying his arrest was iiiegoi . inn— khan, saying his arrest was illegal . mr khan was arrested on illegal. mr khan was arrested on inendow— illegal. mr khan was arrested on inendow nw— illegal. mr khan was arrested on tuesday by paramilitary officers in noi— tuesday by paramilitary officers in nioi geon— tuesday by paramilitary officers in nioi geon in— tuesday by paramilitary officers in riot gear in a— tuesday by paramilitary officers in riot gear in a courtroom . his in riot gear in a courtroom. his oneni— in riot gear in a courtroom. his oneni nnonied— in riot gear in a courtroom. his

arrest sparked widespread onoienin— arrest sparked widespread protests across— arrest sparked widespread protests across the country with inon — protests across the country with more than 1000— protests across the country with more than 1000 arrested, forcing the government— more than 1000 arrested, forcing the government to _ more than 1000 arrested, forcing the government to call in the onnw— the government to call in the onnw io— the government to call in the onnw io neig— the government to call in the army to help restore order. inone— army to help restore order. inone oe— army to help restore order. those are the— army to help restore order. those are the latest news neodiinen. — those are the latest news headlines. i'm— those are the latest news headlines. i'm back in half an now.— headlines. i'm back in half an now. see— headlines. i'm back in half an now. see won— headlines. i'm back in half an hour. see you then. | wow.— hour. see you then. l wow. ido- hour. see you then. . now, it's fair. hour. see you then.j - now, it's fair to hour. see you then. - - now, it's fair to say hour. see you then. now, it's fair to say that many train the north of train users in the north of england a huge sigh of england breathe a huge sigh of relief today because transpennine has been transpennine express has been taken government control . taken under government control. transport secretary mark harper won't extend or renew their licence after may the 28th, the latest data shows that transpennine express has been cancelling more trains than any other uk operator and i must say that really has to be a very low bar because some of the times i tried to get a train from manchester to london every single time there is a massive problem with them. so if transpennine on a worse than the

train line that runs there, which i won't name because they're not here to defend themselves, then they be themselves, then they must be utterly with now, utterly shocking. with me now, john ng0, the john bosco and ng0, who is the lead campaigner at we own it and reem from institute reem ibrahim from the institute of economic affairs. john bosco i will start with you. actually, no, i won't. it's always ladies first on this show. sorry first on this show. so sorry about that. nearly forgot my about that. i nearly forgot my manners. will with manners. there i will start with you. nationalise the you. should we nationalise the railways? not. and i railways? absolutely not. and i think that the problem- railways? absolutely not. and i think that the problem at- r ' and i think that the problem at the nnonneni— think that the problem at the nnonneni in— think that the problem at the moment is that— think that the problem at the moment is that we seem to think inon— moment is that we seem to think inoi ine— moment is that we seem to think that the privatise— moment is that we seem to think that the privatise the railways at that the privatise the railways oi ine— that the privatise the railways at the moment— that the privatise the railways at the moment fully at the moment are fully oniooiined— at the moment are fully privatised, which is just not at the moment are fully privcased, which is just not at the moment are fully privcased, iall.h is just not at the moment are fully privcased, iall. is just not at the moment are fully privcased, iall. ' just not at the moment are fully privcased, iall. ' s»t not at the moment are fully privcased, iall. ' »s»”ot at the moment are fully privcase d, iall. ' the case at all. a lot of these companies are picked companies obviously are picked by order by the government in order for them do leg. of them to do that leg. so of course you only have, like you said, patrick, one particular company to company that serves london to manchester government is manchester and the government is who that this is not who decides that this is not a marketized system. the government deciding, government is deciding, not consumers. actually the consumers. so actually the solution to fully privatise solution is to fully privatise the railways like japan has and it's been incredibly successful. okay , john bosco, same question. okay, john bosco, same question. snonid— okay, john bosco, same question. snonid we— okay, john bosco, same question. should we nationalise the noiiwowne— should we nationalise the noiiwowne i— should we nationalise the railways? i think i said pniwoiine— railways? i think i said privatise earlier. apologies snonid—

privatise earlier. apologies should nationalise the should we nationalise the noiiwowne— should we nationalise the noiiwowne- i - should we nationalise the railways? i should railways? well, i should pnoioiiw— railways? well, i should probably start by saying that the suggestion— probably start by saying that the suggestion that we should nnivoiine— the suggestion that we should oniwoiine ine— the suggestion that we should privatise the whole railway io — privatise the whole railway seems to lose _ privatise the whole railway seems to lose sight of the fact inon— seems to lose sight of the fact inoi we — seems to lose sight of the fact inoi we did— seems to lose sight of the fact that we did privatise our whole noiiwow— that we did privatise our whole noiiwow nwnien — that we did privatise our whole railway system . _ that we did privatise our whole railway system . ' i: railway system. and over the last five years, all but one. and that one is anne—marie trevelyan , who was only trevelyan, who was only transport secretary for one month. all but one of the last four conservative transport secretaries has taken a railway line into public ownership from a private company that was doing an utterly terrible job. it is really important to recognise that the framework of incentives that the framework of incentives that we have put into the system incentivises making profits or providing services for people. first group, the company that runs transpennine express and also runs avanti west coast, the second worst rail system line in the country made £66 million in profits in half of last year.

that profits don't matter. i mean, who owns the tracks ? the mean, who owns the tracks? the gowennneni— mean, who owns the tracks? the government does— mean, who owns the tracks? the government does go on, john nonco— government does go on, john noneo io— government does go on, john bosco to respond— government does go on, john bosco to respond to that. ” bosco to respond to that. their ononn— bosco to respond to that. their pnoiiin don-i— bosco to respond to that. their profits don't matter. apparently why? why do the profits not noiien— why? why do the profits not noiiene — why? why do the profits not matter ? we— why? why do the profits not matter ? we own- why? why do the profits not matter ? �*fd�*is; »s»»i»m f why? why do the profits not matter ? �*fd�*is; .;;...i~ s c matter? we own actually, it's really important point you make about the tracks. we did sell off the tracks at some point and we saw some horrendous accidents in our railway system in the 1990s and we brought that back into public ownership. we brought it back into public ownership and since then we've not seen those accidents happen . let us bring our trains into pubuc . let us bring our trains into public ownership. the companies that run them are doing such a horrible job. the, the, the this conservative government that we know does not like to take services into public ownership, has taken services into public ownership because the private. let me put that let me put that to you which is that the service thatis to you which is that the service that is currently being offered right across the country from train companies is not good

enough for passengers. and therefore , it is it can- g " g and therefore , it is it can only get therefore, it is it can only get nennen— therefore, it is it can only get ieiien ii— therefore, it is it can only get ieiien ii we— therefore, it is it can only get better if we nationalise it. i ii-n— better if we nationalise it. i mean, it's just— better if we nationalise it. i mean, it's just not true. ' i: mean, it's just not true. and i inni— mean, it's just not true. and i inini woo-ne— mean, it's just not true. and i think you're entirely mischaracterising the current system that we have. what is it, private or marketized about the current system where effectively the government is picking where these companies can come and go, where these companies are able to operate? like we said, avanti west coast, that serves between london and manchester, all full service . have that service. i have used that service. i have used that service many times before. it's terrible and the reason why is because the government pick them now normal private now in any normal private market, as a consumer get to market, you as a consumer get to pick where you put your money and if you don't like it, you go somewhere else. at the moment, these are regional monopolies that chosen. that the government have chosen. john around john bosco when i look around the moment, and the country at the moment, and it's now, it's it's not just now, it's throughout of times throughout loads of times in history, have history, okay, governments have traditionally, unfortunately not run okay. and run things that well. okay. and i'm just wondering— run things that well. okay. and i'm just wondering why- b gs okay. and i'm just wondering why you think this—different- i'm just wondering why you think this—different .- this would be any different. inein— this would be any different. war, i— this would be any different. well, i think— this would be any different. well, i think we— this would be any different. well, i think we should look at the well, i think we should look at ine exonnien— well, i think we should look at the examples of— well, i think we should look at the examples of east coast rail,

for the examples of east coast rail, ion example— the examples of east coast rail, ion example ,— the examples of east coast rail, for example , northern rail, for example, northern rail, nonin— for example, northern rail, south eastern— for example, northern rail, south eastern railway south. eononn— south eastern railway south. ionienn noii— south eastern railway south. eastern rail was— south eastern railway south. eastern rail was doing- eastern rail was doing a terrible job, but they were also caught by the government, essentially. i don't want to make any claims that will get me in legal trouble, but essentially , um, holding holding essentially, um, holding holding back money that was supposed to pay back money that was supposed to pay back the government right . pay back the government right. so these are, these are cases where our services were horrible, especially east coast rail. remember, virgin had that horrible, horrible situation with the timetable change in 2018, we took the service back from virgin and the service is now ranked among the best in terms of customer satisfaction in the country right. so this terms of customer satisfaction in the country right . so this is in the country right. so this is clear. we're not depending on the government to do this. we're depending on the incentive structure to do this. if you if you nationalise— structure to do this. if you if you nationalise the- aegis i:isi if you if you nationalise the railways, inon— you nationalise the railways, inoi in— you nationalise the railways, that is depending on the govennneni— that is depending on the government to run these things . government to run these things. and— government to run these things. and ine— government to run these things. and the government has the onooenniiw— and the government has the onooenniiwldo— and the government has the propensity do more than propensity to do more harm than good— propensity to do more harm than good-onnen— propensity to do more harm than good-onnen oi- propensity to do more harm than good aspect of every good in every aspect of every indnninw. — good in every aspect of every industry. .what_ good in every aspect of every industry. what you are doing

industry. so what you are doing is industry. so what you are doing in won— industry. so what you are doing in won wonn— industry. so what you are doing is you want the— industry. so what you are doing is you want the government to do .woni— is you want the government to do .woni ine— is you want the government to do more. want the government to more. you want the government to own these things and the gowennneni— own these things and the government these government do terribly at these iningn. — government do terribly at these iningn. -ionn— government do terribly at these things. _john bosco- government do terribly at these things. "" s things. go on. john bosco the evidence is just the opposite of what you're saying. unfortunately . unfortunately well, unfortunately jwell, you what you're saying. - unfortunately . well, you mean unfortunately. well, you mean you— unfortunately. well, you mean won did— unfortunately. well, you mean won did uned— unfortunately. well, you mean you did used to— unfortunately. well, you mean you did used to have more of a nationalised— you did used to have more of a nationalised train— you did used to have more of a nationalised train service, didn-i— nationalised train service, didn-i wee — nationalised train service, didn't we? and- nationalised train service, didn't we? is nationalised train service, didn't we? 'i: i: i: " c didn't we? and that didn't particularly work that well, as far as i can gather. but rhiannon, what idea rhiannon, what about the idea that nationalise the that if we did nationalise the railways, of the profit railways, then all of the profit that from stays that is made from that stays within the government coffers. and when the taxpayers coffers, etcetera. that might be etcetera. and that might be quite good thing because this quite a good thing because this is argument that is a very similar argument that is a very similar argument that is when comes the is used when it comes to the waterways for example, are waterways for example, which are also an absolute shambles at the moment. i the same moment. i mean, this is the same ongnneni— moment. i mean, this is the same ongnneni we— moment. i mean, this is the same ongnneni we ne— moment. i mean, this is the same argument we use with— i mean, this is the same argument we use with the nhs, for argument we use with the nhs, ion-wnen— argument we use with the nhs, ion-wnien-onl for example, which is also an oinoinie— for example, which is also an absolute—and- absolute shambles. and it's, in— absolute shambles. and it's,. inn—oi it's a government monopoly at the it's a government monopoly at nne-au— it's a government monopoly at nne-adi oi— it's a government monopoly at the-all of these- the moment. all of these diiieneni— the moment. all of these different are different regional companies are being—enonenl being used and being chosen by the being used and being chosen by nne—ie- being used and being chosen by the—be regional. the government to be regional nonopoiien— the government to be regional monopolies. actually monopolies. so actually on, on inon— monopolies. so actually on, on non nnen— monopolies. so actually on, on non inenino— monopolies. so actually on, on that then . so the _ monopolies. so actually on, on that then so the problem at that then so, so the problem at the that then so, so the problem at ine nnonneni— that then so, so the problem at the moment for— that then so, so the problem at the moment for you that the moment for you is that it's noi— the moment for you is that it's noi eieoniw— the moment for you is that it's not clearly that— the moment for you is that it's not clearly that it's not been nationalised— not clearly that it's not been nationalised ,— not clearly that it's not been nationalised , it's— not clearly that it's not been nationalised , it's the fact that nationalised, it's the fact that it's nationalised, it's the fact that in ine — nationalised, it's the fact that it's the actual— nationalised, it's the fact that it's the actual government that is it's the actual government that in—eonnonien- it's the actual government that is_companies to. it's the actual government that. is_companies to run is choosing the companies to run the is choosing the companies to run ine ennenn— is choosing the companies to run the current services— is choosing the companies to run the current services and that

ine— the current services and that the companies— the current services and that the companies the government is enooning— the companies the government is choosing-rubbish. - the companies the government is choosing rubbish. " choosing are rubbish. but in window.— choosing are rubbish. but in pnindpie. ii— choosing are rubbish. but in principle, if chose better principle, if we chose better companies, will be fine. companies, it will be fine. well, you're exactly right. well, it's you're exactly right. nni— well, it's you're exactly right. noi-ioen— well, it's you're exactly right. but-fact that- well, it's you're exactly right. but _fact that the - but it's the fact that the government _ but it's the fact that the government are choosing the eonnoninen— government are choosing the companies-the— government are choosing the companies the place. companies in the first place. i neon—iol mean, any kind of market to say ione— mean, any kind of market to say ione-iood— mean, any kind of market to say take-food industry,- take the food industry, for example-— take the food industry, forj example._like example. if you don't like soinniwnw-n— example. if you don't like sainsbury's, you go somewhere ene.— sainsbury's, you go somewhere ene—donn- sainsbury's, you go somewhere else._don't like- else. and if you don't like a ponienion— else. and if you don't like a particular-shop,l else. and if you don't like a. particular- shop, you particular local food shop, you go ewenone— particular local food shop, you go somewhere else. if people nnon— go somewhere else. if people don-nnen— go somewhere else. if peoplei stop-them-money, stop giving them their money, nnen— stop giving them their money,| inen—ioii . then those companies will fail. dnionnnoieiw,— then those companies will fail. unfortunately, because the ennenn— current system is effectively nationalising _ current system is effectively nationalising the tracks, it eiieeiiveiw— nationalising the tracks, it effectively _the - nationalising the tracks, it- effectively _the government effectively means the government pick effectively means the government niei inone— effectively means the government pick those companies so the eonnoninen— companies are not allowed to ioii. — companies are not allowed to ioii. -ionn— companies are not allowed to fail. _john bosco,- companies are not allowed to fail. _john bosco,lam| fail. okay, john bosco, i am going you with the going to hit you with the example nhs, which is no, example of the nhs, which is no, no, ask you to ask no, i'm going to ask you to ask you this question. i'm going to hit example the hit you with the example of the nhs, is an absolute, nhs, which is an absolute, complete catastrophe complete and utter catastrophe and for and is a bottomless pit for money. just this last two money. just just this last two days we've lobbed another money. just just this last two days quid we've lobbed another money. just just this last two days quid ate've lobbed another money. just just this last two days quid at it.» lobbed another money. just just this last two days quid at it. and jed another money. just just this last two days quid at it. and that,iother money. just just this last two days quid at it. and that, asher billion quid at it. and that, as far can tell, just means far as i can tell, just means more phones gps practises and more phones at gps practises and potentially at potentially longer queues at pharmacies. what would pharmacies. okay. so what would be our be any different about our railway we just be any different about our railv up we just be any different about our railv up throwing we just be any different about our railv up throwing billions we just be any different about our railv up throwing billions of e just end up throwing billions of pounds at it? and that would be that just we don't know where it all goes . sorry . just have to

all goes. sorry. just have to nennond— all goes. sorry. just have to nenoond io— all goes. sorry. just have to respond to the— g sorry. just have to respond to the point that was node— respond to the point that was nnode inni— respond to the point that was nnode inni ine— respond to the point that was made just the last point there. in — made just the last point there. in noi— made just the last point there. in noi ne— made just the last point there. i'm not sure what— made just the last point there. i'm not sure what the suggestion is, i'm not sure what the suggestion in, in— i'm not sure what the suggestion in, in ine— i'm not sure what the suggestion is, is the suggestion that the gowennneni— is, is the suggestion that the government should not choose the eonnoninen— government should not choose the eonnonioen ond— government should not choose the companies and that— government should not choose the companies and that private eonnonioen— companies and that private companies should build their own noewn— companies should build their own inoein ond— companies should build their own tracks and run— companies should build their own tracks and run their— companies should build their own tracks and run their the trains on inein— tracks and run their the trains on inein on— tracks and run their the trains on their own tracks. if that is a on their own tracks. if that is o noggeniion— on their own tracks. if that is a suggestion, ian,— on their own tracks. if that is a suggestion, ian, then they can go—ond— a suggestion, ian, then they can go—ond-we- go right ahead and that we nnonid— go right ahead and that we nnonid nnn— go right ahead and that we should run public trains on guidin— should run public trains on public tracks— should run public trains on public tracks that serve the guide— public tracks that serve the oniiie ond— public tracks that serve the public and not— public tracks that serve the public and not the private neeion— public and not the private neooin 0n— public and not the private sector. on the— public and not the private sector. on the question of the dis,— sector. on the question of the nhs, obviously— sector. on the question of the nhs, obviously the nhs has a lot of nhs, obviously the nhs has a lot oi onoiienn. — nhs, obviously the nhs has a lot of problems. one— nhs, obviously the nhs has a lot of problems. one of— nhs, obviously the nhs has a lot of problems. one of those onoiienn— of problems. one of those onoiienn in— of problems. one of those problems is that there's quite a lot problems is that there's quite a do oi— problems is that there's quite a lot of privatisation in the nwnien — lot of privatisation in the system itself— lot of privatisation in the system itself over the last 18 weon— system itself over the last 18 weon inon— system itself over the last 18 weon no in— system itself over the last 18 years. that is absurd . " years. that is absurd. i've seen ine— years. that is absurd. i've seen over the last. _ years. that is absurd. i've seen over the last. it's— years. that is absurd. " it's absolutely over the last. it's absolutely oinwd— over the last. it's absolutely oinwd inon— over the last. it's absolutely absurd that the— over the last. it's absolutely absurd that the nhs- it's absolutely absurd that the nhs is a state nonoooiw— absurd that the nhs is a state nonoooiw ieing— absurd that the nhs is a state monopoly being spent with onnone— monopoly being spent with private companies within the dis.— private companies within the dis. inoi-n— private companies within the nhs. that's one— private companies within the nhs. that's one problem. but i-we— nhs. that's one problem. but two ono— nhs. that's one problem. but i've also seen— nhs. that's one problem. but i've also seen a— nhs. that's one problem. but i've also seen a lot of underfunding of the nhs. that's a underfunding of the nhs. that's o neoiiw— underfunding of the nhs. that's a really important— underfunding of the nhs. that's a really important problem as wet— a really important problem as weii .— a really important problem as weii . non-ne— a really important problem as well . you're talking about money well. you're talking about money being— well. you're talking about money being down— well. you're talking about money being thrown into— well. you're talking about money being thrown into the nhs, but the being thrown into the nhs, but one dds— being thrown into the nhs, but one dds in— being thrown into the nhs, but the nhs is being— being thrown into the nhs, but the nhs is being underfunded . the nhs is being underfunded. vie-ne— the nhs is being underfunded. we-ne npending— the nhs is being underfunded. we're spending per person much ienn— we're spending per person much ienn inon— we're spending per person much

less than other— we're spending per person much less than other european oonnnieni— less than other european countries, so— less than other european countries, so that's something to countries, so that's something io keep— countries, so that's something io keep in— countries, so that's something to keep in mind.— countries, so that's something to keep in mind. that said , to keep in mind. that said, innn— to keep in mind. that said, think privatisation is a significant— think privatisation is a significant problem within the dis— significant problem within the dds on— significant problem within the dds on weii. — significant problem within the nhs as well. we— significant problem within the nhs as well. we spend just below izoo— nhs as well. we spend just below me iiiiion— nhs as well. we spend just below £200 billion on— nhs as well. we spend just below £200 billion on the— nhs as well. we spend just below £200 billion on the nhs. how the hell £200 billion on the nhs. how the ted in— £200 billion on the nhs. how the ted in onod— £200 billion on the nhs. how the hell is that underfunding? okay, look what it's a great noini— okay, look what it's a great noini io— okay, look what it's a great ooini io ining— okay, look what it's a great point to bring this to a close. i point to bring this to a close. i don-i— point to bring this to a close. i don't think— point to bring this to a close. i don't think we're going to at any— i don't think we're going to at onw ooini— i don't think we're going to at onw ooini oi— i don't think we're going to at any point of agreement here, but i any point of agreement here, but i-nnon— any point of agreement here, but i-nnon eniowed— i very much enjoyed this discussion— i very much enjoyed this discussion john discussion in this debate. john nonoo— discussion in this debate. john nonoo-ioin- discussion in this debate. johni bosco-both-with bosco and walk both area with the bosco and walk both area with one—onen-il bosco and walk both area withj one—oenn we bosco and walk both area withj theiit_aren't we bosco and walk both area with the it reem aren't we bosco and walk both area with the it reem ibrahim't we bosco and walk both area with the it reem ibrahim who is own it and reem ibrahim who is inon— own it and reem ibrahim who is inon ine— own it and reem ibrahim who is from the institute— own it and reem ibrahim who is from the institute of economic aiioinn— from the institute of economic affairs, _asking - from the institute of economic affairs, asking them affairs, we were asking them wneinen— affairs, we were asking them whether. not _ affairs, we were asking them whether. not we - affairs, we were asking them whether not we should whether or not we should nationalise—.i whether or not we should. nationalise_. it whether or not we should- nationalise_. it is whether or not we should- nalight.ise_. it is whether or not we should- nalight of, _. it is whether or not we should- nalight of, of-. it is whether or not we should nalight of, of course, . it is in light of, of course, transpennine being transpennine express being inongni— transpennine express being - brought—ownership brought into national ownership . now— brought into national ownership . now wiii— brought into national ownership . how will the— brought into national ownership . how will the-up- brought into national ownership . how will the up your . how will the trains up your way?— . how will the trains up your woweldone— . how will the trains up your wowe|done now— . how will the trains up your way? dare say they're way? i dare say they're not oonionioniw— way? i dare say they're not. particularly—just i particularly great. and i just i inni— particularly great. and i just i inni ode — particularly great. and i just i just wonder. .not- particularly great. and i just i just wonder. not going just wonder. it's not going nigni— just wonder. it's not going right-moment.- just wonder. it's not going right moment. but is right at the moment. but is the noiniion— right at the moment. but is the solution nationalisation? i'm noi— not sure that is as well, ieoonne— not sure that is as well, ieoonnelwe- not sure that is as well,l because .we-really not sure that is as well,- because .we _really trust because if we don't really trust the government— because if we don't really trust the government run anything the government to run anything at the government to run anything oi—onwwow,- the government to run anything. oi—onwwowlnnonid the government to run anything. atitrust-anyway,-should the government to run anything at trust them anyway, should the government to run anything at trust them completely should we trust them completely and utterly— we trust them completely and utterly-our— we trust them completely and utterly our transport utterly with our transport system?— utterly with our transport system—up utterly with our transport- system?_up meaning system? would it end up meaning that-taxpayer— system? would it end up meaning that taxpayer actually has that the taxpayer actually has more—suspect] more money or as i suspect, would— more money or as i suspect, woutdljust_ more money or as i suspect, wouldljust-that- more money or as i suspect, would just that the would it just mean that the taxpayer— would it just mean that the taxpayer-up- would it just mean that the taxpayer up actually taxpayer ends up actually pumping— taxpayer ends up actually pumping more money pumping a load more money into it without— pumping a load more money into it without-proper- it without any real proper accountability— accountability?

vaiews@gbnews.uk. security vaiews@gbnews.uk. but security officials— vaiews@gbnews.uk. but security officials in— vaiews@gbnews.uk. but security officials in texas— vaiews@gbnews.uk. but security officials in texas are bracing themselves— officials in texas are bracing themselves for— officials in texas are bracing themselves for what could be an unprecedented— themselves for what could be an unprecedented influx of migrants in the— unprecedented influx of migrants in the next— unprecedented influx of migrants in the next few— unprecedented influx of migrants in the next few days . and i in the next few days. and i wanted— in the next few days. and i wanted to— in the next few days. and i wanted to bring— in the next few days. and i wanted to bring you this story because— wanted to bring you this story because _whatl because is all too often what happene— because is all too often what happens in— because is all too often what happens in america or something like happens in america or something ukelanyway,— happens in america or something likelanyway, finds— happens in america or something like anyway, finds way like it anyway, finds its way over here. and— like it anyway, finds its way over here. and i've just got a sneaky— over here. and i've just got a sneaky suspicion— over here. and i've just got a sneaky suspicion that we're going— sneaky suspicion that we're going aa— sneaky suspicion that we're going a ena— sneaky suspicion that we're going a end up— sneaky suspicion that we're going to end up being faced with something— going to end up being faced with sanethtne a— going to end up being faced with something a bit— going to end up being faced with something a bit like this if we aent— something a bit like this if we aren't already. _ something a bit like this if we aren't already. i'm patrick chnstte-s— aren't already. i'm patrick christie's on— aren't already. i'm patrick christie's on gb news, britain's

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hntatn-s— news the people's channel. britain's news— news the people's channel. britain's news .— britain's news. channel oh, that's brought britain's news. channel- . oh, that's brought back - oh, that's brought back warm nenanes—the- memories, isn't it? of the coronation. _ memories, isn't it? of the. coronation. _welcome coronation. anyway, welcome hast.— coronation. anyway, welcome back. government is back. the uk government is tntng— back. the uk government is| twtne—ttteeat trying to bring in the illegal ntenattan— trying to bring in the illegal migration tackle migration bill to help tackle the shatt— migration bill to help tackle the small-crisis.- migration bill to help tackle the small crisis. over the small boats crisis. over here.— the small boats crisis. over here. we— the small boats crisis. over here. we att— the small boats crisis. over here. we all know about that. we tatt— here. we all know about that. we tat-nast— here. we all know about that. we tatt-nast-an- here. we all know about that. we talk-most-on this. talk about it most days on this shaw— talk about it most days on this shew-hat- talk about it most days on this shew-hat tn- talk about it most days on this show,-but in the- show, don't we? but in the wnttet— show, don't we? but in the united _title- show, don't we? but in the united _title 42- show, don't we? but in the united title 42 has united states, title 42 has hethet— united states, title 42 has helped block— united states, title 42 has helped block hundreds of thousands— helped block hundreds of thousands of— helped block hundreds of thousands of migrants at the us hence— thousands of migrants at the us mexico border,— thousands of migrants at the us mexico border, if— thousands of migrants at the us mexico border, if not millions aetwattw— mexico border, if not millions actually from _ mexico border, if not millions actually from seeking asylum in the us.— actually from seeking asylum in the us. shee— actually from seeking asylum in the us. since 2020. now, former us the us. since 2020. now, former us nesttent— the us. since 2020. now, former us president donald trump tntnetweet— us president donald trump introduced the— us president donald trump introduced the policy at the stan— introduced the policy at the stan at— introduced the policy at the stan at the— introduced the policy at the start of the covid pandemic. he, of course , wanted— start of the covid pandemic. he, of course , wanted to build the of course, wanted to build the watt— of course, wanted to build the watt tn— of course, wanted to build the watt tn att— of course, wanted to build the wall in all of— of course, wanted to build the wall in all of this— of course, wanted to build the wall in all of this stuff, but that-s— wall in all of this stuff, but that's coming— wall in all of this stuff, but that's coming to an end and that tees— that's coming to an end and that does mean that— that's coming to an end and that does mean that potentially hwntnets— does mean that potentially hundreds of— does mean that potentially hundreds of thousands, if not nttttans— hundreds of thousands, if not nttttans at— hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people are literally attent— millions of people are literally about-tnte- millions of people are literally about into america, about to stream into america, tnte— about to stream into america, tnta teas — about to stream into america, into texas. joining me now is set— into texas. joining me now is set sewa— into texas. joining me now is set eanta ,— into texas. joining me now is seb gorka , who— into texas. joining me now is seb gorka , who is a former white seb gorka, who is a former white nause— seb gorka, who is a former white newse atwtsen— seb gorka, who is a former white house adviser to— seb gorka, who is a former white house adviser to president trump

and house adviser to president trump ant a— house adviser to president trump ant a tan— house adviser to president trump and a fan favourite— house adviser to president trump and a fan favourite here at gb tews— and a fan favourite here at gb wews. tt— and a fan favourite here at gb wews. tt nast— and a fan favourite here at gb news. it must be— and a fan favourite here at gb news. it must be said, when i teat— news. it must be said, when i teat at— news. it must be said, when i teat at same— news. it must be said, when i look at some of— news. it must be said, when i look at some of the images, when— look at some of the images, when tn— look at some of the images, which i'm hoping that we're going— which i'm hoping that we're gotng ta— which i'm hoping that we're going to play— which i'm hoping that we're going to play at_ which i'm hoping that we're going to play at some point wen,— going to play at some point wen, wew— going to play at some point very, very shortly, of the sheer wawnnet— very, very shortly, of the sheer wawnet at— very, very shortly, of the sheer volume of people— very, very shortly, of the sheer volume of people that are about to volume of people that are about ta—eawntw. - to pour into your country. the ntnt— to pour into your country. the ntnt negates.— to pour into your country. the mind boggles. sebastian yeah, i have— mind boggles. sebastian yeah, i have ta— mind boggles. sebastian yeah, i have to saw— mind boggles. sebastian yeah, i hawe to saw t— mind boggles. sebastian yeah, i have to say i kind— mind boggles. sebastian yeah, i have to say i kind of chuckle when— have to say i kind of chuckle when t— have to say i kind of chuckle when t see— have to say i kind of chuckle when i see gb— have to say i kind of chuckle when i see gb news and bodies the— when i see gb news and bodies the ve— when i see gb news and bodies the he nigel— when i see gb news and bodies like yo nigel farage and others tatt— like yo nigel farage and others tatt attent— like yo nigel farage and others talk about the _ like yo nigel farage and others talk about the thousands of heahte— talk about the thousands of teeth santng— talk about the thousands of people coming across the channel se— people coming across the channel htten— people coming across the channel since biden took— people coming across the channel since biden took over, we've had 6 since biden took over, we've had e nttttan— since biden took over, we've had 6 million illegals— since biden took over, we've had 6 million illegals that we know at. — 6 million illegals that we know at. pathet— 6 million illegals that we know at. hatnct 6— 6 million illegals that we know of. patrick 6 million- 6 million illegals that we know of. i7 ll tzt'“ of. patrick 6 million come across the border and that's not including what we call the gotaways , the people who just gotaways, the people who just evaded any kind of contact with federal authorities. so this is a disaster. we are the only nafion a disaster. we are the only nation in the world that doesn't have a border, but just talk me through exactly what happens. i mean, are people just able tttenattw— mean, are people just able tttenattw ta — mean, are people just able literally to just— mean, are people just able literally to just walk across nan — literally to just walk across from mexico— literally to just walk across from mexico and whatever other country— from mexico and whatever other country that— from mexico and whatever other country that they've decided to

come from into— country that they've decided to come from into your country and the— come from into your country and the theret— come from into your country and live there? what— come from into your country and live there? what freely ? c live there? what freely? it's than — live there? what freely? it's worse than that— live there? what freely? it's worse than that .— live there? what freely? it's worse than that . it's- live there? what freely? it's worse than that . it's worse than worse than that. it's worse than that. 70% of the customs and border protection offices have been taken off the line and they are now , if you've ever been to are now, if you've ever been to are now, if you've ever been to a walmart, these big superstores in america, they are greeters at the door . these people give the door. these people give documentation to the illegals and even give them a government funded mobile phone and a plane ticket. patrick, hold on to your horses . sit down. a plane ticket horses. sit down. a plane ticket to anywhere they want to go to in america , paid for by me, paid in america, paid for by me, paid for by the us taxpayer . it is for by the us taxpayer. it is bedlam . it is bizarro world. bedlam. it is bizarro world. this is the democrats idea of buying a new voting bloc. they think , oh, you've got brown think, oh, you've got brown skin, you're going to vote democrat, you're going to be a leftist. it is the most racist, cynical thing i've ever seen, not to mention the women, the girls who are raped girls who are being raped sexually abused, tonnes sexually abused, and the tonnes literal tonnes of fentanyl that

are flooding into the country over that border . so if you come over that border. so if you come to the— over that border. so if you come to the wnttet— over that border. so if you come to the united states— : so if you come to the united states illegally, sehasttan— to the united states illegally, sebastian and— to the united states illegally, sebastian and you go to a walma— sebastian and you go to a walmart, you're telling me that wen-ne— walmart, you're telling me that youe greeted— walmart, you're telling me that wane aneetet hw— walmart, you're telling me that you're greeted by somebody who nset— you're greeted by somebody who nset ta— you're greeted by somebody who nset ta have— you're greeted by somebody who used to have a— you're greeted by somebody who used to have a job— you're greeted by somebody who used to have a job manning the battens— used to have a job manning the haters ta— used to have a job manning the haters ta tw— used to have a job manning the borders to try to _ used to have a job manning the borders to try to stop them eantne— borders to try to stop them eantne-the- borders to try to stop them coming the analogy coming in, using the analogy aha,— coming in, using the analogy aha, tatt— coming in, using the analogy that, fair enough— coming in, using the analogy that, fair enough , the border that, fair enough, the border tenants— that, fair enough, the border gnants ae— that, fair enough, the border guards are acting like the greeters— guards are acting like the greeters at— guards are acting like the greeters at walmart at walmart, there-s— greeters at walmart at walmart, there's somebody— greeters at walmart at walmart, there's somebody who stands at there's somebody who stands at the than— there's somebody who stands at the taan ant— there's somebody who stands at the door and says,— there's somebody who stands at the door and says, hello, wetane— the door and says, hello, welcome to _ the door and says, hello, welcome to walmart. : welcome to walmart. instead of arresting people, the customs and border patrol , the former and border patrol, the former commissioner of customs and border patrol is on my i miss i misheard you earlier on but this this makes a lot more sense. yeah, exactly. but i mean, this is yeah, exactly. but i mean, this ts ahsatntetw— yeah, exactly. but i mean, this is absolutely staggering that you is absolutely staggering that wan-ta— is absolutely staggering that you to anywhere the you can go to anywhere in the nnttet—nawl united states essentially now ant—ta- united states essentially now ant—ta wan| and it is bonkers. but do you thtnt— and it is bonkers. but do you thtnt-aan— and it is bonkers. but do you thtnt-aan at- think this is part of a deliberate— think this is part of a deliberate plan basically to try to deliberate plan basically to try ta nann— deliberate plan basically to try ta nana na— deliberate plan basically to try ta nana nan-wate— deliberate plan basically to try to ramp up vote and maybe to ramp up the vote and maybe tnst— to ramp up the vote and maybe wast-the- even just change the demographics even just change the - demographics-united demographics of the united states— demographics of the united states irreversibly , read their states irreversibly, read their wnttnes— states irreversibly, read their own writings of,— states irreversibly, read their own writings of, you know, henaenats— own writings of, you know, democrats and _ own writings of, you know, democrats and peoples, people like alexander— democrats and peoples, people like alexander ocasio—cortez,

tang— like alexander ocasio—cortez, tang ateees— like alexander ocasio—cortez, tang ateses tn— like alexander ocasio—cortez, long pieces in the atlantic that ten—whe— long pieces in the atlantic that tett—wtng nag. — long pieces in the atlantic that left—wing rag. ’“ f: left—wing rag. this is called by the democrats. it's the browning of america. and they celebrate it when people like tucker carlson say that this thing exists, they're called conspiracy theorists . but if conspiracy theorists. but if you've got a d after your name, if you're a democrat, this is great. this is using ethnic minorities as a political weapon. and it is perhaps one of the most since the kkk was created by the democrat . that's created by the democrat. that's this is one of the most racist things that party has ever done. patrick. but what can be done about it? because i dare say that— about it? because i dare say that the— about it? because i dare say that the majority— about it? because i dare say that the majority of- fl because i dare say that the majority of law abiding etttzens— that the majority of law abiding etttzens tn— that the majority of law abiding citizens in the— that the majority of law abiding citizens in the united states of anettea— citizens in the united states of anettea wha— citizens in the united states of america who pay— citizens in the united states of america who pay their taxes and wha— america who pay their taxes and wha want— america who pay their taxes and wha want ta— america who pay their taxes and who want to live _ america who pay their taxes and who want to live by the law are nat— who want to live by the law are not particularly— who want to live by the law are not particularly happy about tnts.— not particularly happy about thts. what— not particularly happy about this. what what— not particularly happy about this. what what can be this. what what on earth can be tane— this. what what on earth can be tane-tte — this. what what on earth can be done-it? well,- this. what what on earth can be done-it? well, until- done about it? well, until president trump comes back into the white house, god willing, nothing can be done from the federal level. it's up to the states. we are a republic of states. if the governors had some balls like the governor of texas, greg abbott could send

his forces. the national guard forces that answer to the governor to the border to seal the border . but they're rhinos. the border. but they're rhinos. they're republicans in name only. they're fake conservative lives. i think you're familiar with that term in the uk. there could be a response at the state level, but nobody has the testicular fortitude to do something about it right now . something about it right now. no, look, it's fascinating stntt. — no, look, it's fascinating stuff. sebastian look, thank you wew— stuff. sebastian look, thank you wetw, wew— stuff. sebastian look, thank you wetw, wetw nnen— stuff. sebastian look, thank you very, very much for bringing us that— very, very much for bringing us that natate— very, very much for bringing us that natate. hw— very, very much for bringing us that update. my concern really for sebastian,— that update. my concern really for sebastian, by— that update. my concern really for sebastian, by way, just for sebastian, by the way, just for sebastian, by the way, just tan-wtewens— for sebastian, by the way, just for-viewers over- for sebastian, by the way, just for viewers over here, for our viewers over here, is aha,— for our viewers over here, is that-thaw, — for our viewers over here, is that-thaw, we- for our viewers over here, is. that,-know, we .what's that, you know, we see what's going— that, you know, we see what's gang-the— that, you know, we see what's going the channel at the going on in the channel at the nnannent— going on in the channel at the moment—what's. moment and we see what's happening— moment and we see what's. happening-mainland happening maybe in mainland tntaae— europe. and it is now unquestioned working its way aver-ant— unquestioned working its way over-and the- unquestioned working its way over and the ease with over here. and the ease with when— over here. and the ease with. whteh—heanna over here. and the ease with. whi it's—hearing, over here. and the ease with whi it's difficult hearing, over here. and the ease with whi it's difficult to hearing, over here. and the ease with whi it's difficult to getaring, oh, it's so difficult to get a wsa— oh, it's so difficult to get a ta— oh, it's so difficult to get a visa to come— oh, it's so difficult to get a visa to come and live in this eannttw— visa to come and live in this eannttw .— visa to come and live in this eannttw . wetn— visa to come and live in this country . well, i'm but country. well, i'm sorry, but the— country. well, i'm sorry, but the net— country. well, i'm sorry, but the net migration figures are eononn— the net migration figures are 600,000._over. the net migration figures are. 600,000._over here. 600,000. it's coming over here. san. — 600,000. it's coming over here. san. hatnet — 600,000. it's coming over here. sam. patrick my— 600,000. it's coming over here. sam. patrick 3th sam. patrick my parents were refugees and they got asylum in the uk . why? because my father the uk. why? because my father escaped a communist prison . oh, escaped a communist prison. oh, these people are economic migrants . that doesn't make you migrants. that doesn't make you

a refugee . it's an invasion. a refugee. it's an invasion. look thank you very much, sebastian gorka. there, of course, who is— sebastian gorka. there, of course, who is a- a“ l there, of course, who is a former white nanse— course, who is a former white nanse atwtsen— course, who is a former white house adviser to— course, who is a former white house adviser to president trump . ant— house adviser to president trump . ant atsa— house adviser to president trump . ant atsa nw— house adviser to president trump . and also my apologies to tweeters— . and also my apologies to greeters at— . and also my apologies to greeters at walmart, who i ntstatentw— greeters at walmart, who i mistakenly understood , sebastian mistakenly understood, sebastian tanta— mistakenly understood, sebastian eanta tsttn— mistakenly understood, sebastian gorka, aslef, were _ mistakenly understood, sebastian gorka, aslef, were now acting as hatter— gorka, aslef, were now acting as hatter-agents. — gorka, aslef, were now acting as border-agents. but- gorka, aslef, were now acting as border agents. but there border force agents. but there we-haaaens. - border force agents. but therei we-happens. .don't we go. this happens. you don't atwaws—eteanwl always hear everything clearly nanw at— always hear everything clearly now, many of you— always hear everything clearly now, many of you that now, many of you know that i am getttng— now, many of you know that i am getttng-annea- now, many of you know that i am getttng-anaean an- now, many of you know that i am getting appear on stage getting ready to appear on stage wtth— with the dream boys who call thensetwes— with the dream boys who call themselves-most- with the dream boys who call themselves most famous themselves the uk's most famous hate— themselves the uk's most famous nate sthaaens— themselves the uk's most famous male strippers. and— themselves the uk's most famous male strippers. and voila , male strippers. and voila, tattes— male strippers. and voila, tattes ant— male strippers. and voila, ladies and gentlemen, it was meant— ladies and gentlemen, it was meant t— ladies and gentlemen, it was meant t was— ladies and gentlemen, it was meant i was meant to do it last wean— meant i was meant to do it last wean tan— meant i was meant to do it last year for various— meant i was meant to do it last year for various reasons, though it year for various reasons, though tt—tt-sl it didn't happen. but now it's thaw— it didn't happen. but now it's ataw, sa— it didn't happen. but now it's otaw, sa t— it didn't happen. but now it's on. okay, so i was— it didn't happen. but now it's on. okay, so i was learning some haves-the— on. okay, so i was learning some moves-the lads— on. okay, so i was learning some moves-the lads in- on. okay, so i was learning some moves the lads in essex moves with the lads in essex westentaw. — moves with the lads in essex westentaw. t— moves with the lads in essex yesterday. i have— moves with the lads in essex yesterday. i have also recorded atntt— yesterday. i have also recorded a full promotional— yesterday. i have also recorded a full promotional video for tnts— a full promotional video for thts whteh— a full promotional video for this, which is— a full promotional video for this, which is ,— a full promotional video for this, which is , believe it or this, which is, believe it or not:— this, which is, believe it or nat, gatnt— this, which is, believe it or not, going into— this, which is, believe it or not, going into a lot more tetatt— not, going into a lot more detail than— not, going into a lot more detail than what you're seeing there— detail than what you're seeing there-t— detail than what you're seeing there. was— detail than what you're seeing there i was learning the there now. i was learning the nanttne— there now. i was learning the. routine—before there now. i was learning the. makes—before there now. i was learning the. rltakea-stage-before there now. i was learning the rltakea stage on before there now. i was learning the rltakea stage on the efore there now. i was learning the rltakea stage on the 28th i take to the stage on the 28th of i take to the stage on the 28th at june— i take to the stage on the 28th at tnne tn— i take to the stage on the 28th of june in bromley in kent and you— of june in bromley in kent and wan an— of june in bromley in kent and wan tet— of june in bromley in kent and you can get tickets for this. i stttt— you can get tickets for this. i still believe _ you can get tickets for this. i still believe if— you can get tickets for this. i still believe if you want to be nntnetw— still believe if you want to be unlucky enough— still believe if you want to be unlucky enough to see me take my kit unlucky enough to see me take my ttt att— unlucky enough to see me take my ttt an. t— unlucky enough to see me take my kit off. it comprises— unlucky enough to see me take my kit off. it comprises of three ttttenent— kit off. it comprises of three different sections. a couple of group— different sections. a couple of grant anttngs— different sections. a couple of group outings and one, believe

it group outings and one, believe tt an— group outings and one, believe tt an hat,— group outings and one, believe it or not, solo.— group outings and one, believe it or not, solo. so— group outings and one, believe it or not, solo. so of course tn — it or not, solo. so of course tn nat— it or not, solo. so of course tn nat tatnt— it or not, solo. so of course i'm not doing this for fun. i am tnteet— i'm not doing this for fun. i am indeed raising— i'm not doing this for fun. i am indeed raising money for the nentat— indeed raising money for the mental health— indeed raising money for the mental health charity mind and we have— mental health charity mind and we have almost— mental health charity mind and we have almost raised £30,000. weae— we have almost raised £30,000. wehe wew— we have almost raised £30,000. we-ne wetw etase— we have almost raised £30,000. we're very close to— we have almost raised £30,000. we're very close to raising 30 grand— we're very close to raising 30 tnant tan— we're very close to raising 30 grant tan tt— we're very close to raising 30 grand for it. and— we're very close to raising 30 grand for it. and that's all tawn— grand for it. and that's all tawn ta— grand for it. and that's all tawn ta wan— grand for it. and that's all down to you wonderful people. wat, — down to you wonderful people. wat, tnst— down to you wonderful people. wat, inst a— down to you wonderful people. well, just a couple of hundred aannts— well, just a couple of hundred aannts shant— well, just a couple of hundred pounds short to _ well, just a couple of hundred pounds short to donate, please go justgiving.com. forward go to justgiving.com. forward stash— go to justgiving.com. forward . stash—stash slash fundraising, forward slash ehattente— slash fundraising, forward slash challenge christie's. that's tnst— challenge christie's. that's just giving.com/fundraiser, tatwant— just giving.com/fundraiser, forward slash— just giving.com/fundraiser, forward slash challenge christie's. _ forward slash challenge christie's. it— forward slash challenge christie's. it is massively aaaneetatet— christie's. it is massively appreciated even if you're just ehnettnt— appreciated even if you're just ehnettnt tn— appreciated even if you're just ehnettng tn a— appreciated even if you're just chucking in a fiver in some aeaate— chucking in a fiver in some cases people are given a couple of cases people are given a couple at granda— cases people are given a couple of grand, which— cases people are given a couple of grand, which is— cases people are given a couple of grand, which is absolutely tankers— of grand, which is absolutely hantens ta— of grand, which is absolutely bonkers, to be— of grand, which is absolutely bonkers, to be fair. but i know anat— bonkers, to be fair. but i know aiat aeaate— bonkers, to be fair. but i know aiat aeaate wha- bonkers, to be fair. but i know a of people who would pay a lot of people who would pay that— a lot of people who would pay that ta— a lot of people who would pay that ta haaattw— a lot of people who would pay that to happily see me, not take my that to happily see me, not take mat—hey,- that to happily see me, not take nw—hew, tt- that to happily see me, not take nw—hew, tt attl my clothes off. but hey, it all taes— my clothes off. but hey, it all aaes-taat— my clothes off. but hey, it all goes-good cause.- my clothes off. but hey, it all goes good cause. and that goes to a good cause. and that shantw— goes to a good cause. and that shantw-wett- goes to a good cause. and that charity-well does- goes to a good cause. and that charity well does a lot charity mind as well does a lot of charity mind as well does a lot at-want.— charity mind as well does a lot at-want. ant— charity mind as well does a lot of-work. and-havei of good work. and we do have a nentat— of good work. and we do have a mental health— of good work. and we do have a mental health crisis in this of good work. and we do have a mental that:h crisis in this of good work. and we do have a mental that iscrisis in this of good work. and we do have a mental that is very in this of good work. and we do have a mental that is very real.iis of good work. and we do have a mental that is very real. and country that is very real. and we tnst— country that is very real. and we can just maybe go a little bit we can just maybe go a little tttla— we can just maybe go a little httla waw— we can just maybe go a little httla waw ta— we can just maybe go a little bit a way to helping to save bit of a way to helping to save a-ttwes— bit of a way to helping to save a - lives together. - bit of a way to helping to save a lives together. thank a few lives together. so thank you— a few lives together. so thank wan—whenl a few lives together. so thank. wan—when we you to everyone. now, when we eannewe-e att- you to everyone. now, when we come we're all going come back, we're all going to be tatttnt—eanth- talking about what on earth has teen—the— talking about what on earth has been _the bank- talking about what on earth has been _the bank of. been going on at the bank of tnttant— been going on at the bank of england after—

been going on at the bank of england after they've increased the tase— england after they've increased the tase tate— england after they've increased the base rate again. then how is thts—there- the base rate again. then how is this—there andi this affecting people there and that—tnl that so—called bonfire of eu taws— that so—called bonfire of eu taws-nat— that so—called bonfire of eu laws not happening. that so—called bonfire of eu l.want not happening. that so—called bonfire of eu l.want to not happening. that so—called bonfire of eu l.want to knowt happening. that so—called bonfire of eu l.want to knowt happenor|. that so—called bonfire of eu l.want to knowt happenor not i want to know whether or not eaattattsn — i want to know whether or not capitalism _just- i want to know whether or not capitalism _just be - capitalism should just be neataeet—tl capitalism should just be- replaced_| think replaced by socialism. i think we replaced by socialism. i think. we_answer. patrick we all know the answer. patrick chnstws— we all know the answer. patrick chnstws .—

gb news. very i gb news. very goodi i gb news.- very good evening let tews- - very good evening, let tews- — very good evening , everybody. very good evening, everybody. it's very good evening, everybody. tt-s tnst— very good evening, everybody. tt-s inst gone— very good evening, everybody. tt-s inst gone a— very good evening, everybody. it's just gone 5 pm. you're wtth— it's just gone 5 pm. you're wtth ne— it's just gone 5 pm. you're with me. patrick- it's just gone 5 pm. you're with me. patrick christys on gb tews— with me. patrick christys on gb wews t— with me. patrick christys on gb wews t an— with me. patrick christys on gb news i am with— with me. patrick christys on gb news i am with you for the next nann— news i am with you for the next hann ant— news i am with you for the next hann ant hete— news i am with you for the next hour and here is— news i am with you for the next hour and here is what's on the menu. yes. money,— hour and here is what's on the menu. yes. money, misery for nttttans— menu. yes. money, misery for millions. yes.— menu. yes. money, misery for millions. yes. what's on earth menu. yes. money, misery for m the ns. yes. what's on earth menu. yes. money, misery for m the bank s. what's on earth menu. yes. money, misery for m the bank of nhat's on earth menu. yes. money, misery for mthe bank of englandi earth menu. yes. money, misery for mthe bank of england playing? is the bank of england playing? thew-we— is the bank of england playing? thew-we natset— is the bank of england playing? they've raised the— is the bank of england playing? they've raised the interest rates—want- they've raised the interest rates _want to i they've raised the interest. rates _want to talk rates yet again. i want to talk to rates yet again. i want to talk ta-aeaate. — rates yet again. i want to talk ta-aeaate. haw- rates yet again. i want to talk to-people. how is- rates yet again. i want to talk to people. how is this to real people. how is this anesthe— to real people. how is this affecting-and- to real people. how is this affecting and what to real people. how is this affecting-and what be affecting you and what can be tane— affecting you and what can be tane ahant— affecting you and what can be done about frankly , who done about it? and frankly, who done about it? and frankly, who ta—tn— done about it? and frankly, who ta—tn ather- done about it? and frankly, who do_in other news,- do you blame in other news, we're also going— do you blame in other news, we're also going talking we're also going to be talking ahant—nawe- we're also going to be talking. about—have.been about this as well. have we been tetnawet— about this as well. have we been betrayed—service?- betrayed by our civil service? if betrayed by our civil service? tt-tan— betrayed by our civil service? if-for brexit,- if you voted for brexit, i snsaeet— if you voted for brexit, i snsaeet wan — if you voted for brexit, i suspect you strongly suspected that— suspect you strongly suspected that there— suspect you strongly suspected that there would _ suspect you strongly suspected that there would a bonfire of that there would be a bonfire of eu that there would be a bonfire of tn taws— that there would be a bonfire of tn taws. that— that there would be a bonfire of eu laws. that is— that there would be a bonfire of eu laws. that is not happening on eu laws. that is not happening an the— eu laws. that is not happening an the same— eu laws. that is not happening on the same day— eu laws. that is not happening on the same day that the head of the ctwt— on the same day that the head of the civil service— on the same day that the head of the civil service-is- the civil service union is sawing— the civil service union is sawing that—

the civil service union is saying that shouldn't be saying that we shouldn't be eatttnt— saying that we shouldn't be. calling _ snowflakes saying that we shouldn't be- calling _ snowflakes , calling them woke snowflakes, remainers.lazy_ calling them woke snowflakes, remainersllazy .— calling them woke snowflakes, remainers lazy. i'm asking remainers or lazy. i'm asking thew— remainers or lazy. i'm asking thew ant— remainers or lazy. i'm asking are they and to— remainers or lazy. i'm asking are they and to round us off as wet.— are they and to round us off as wet. shantt— are they and to round us off as well. should boris— are they and to round us off as well. should boris johnson have to pay— well. should boris johnson have ta aaw tan— well. should boris johnson have ta aaw tan hts— well. should boris johnson have to pay for his own— well. should boris johnson have to pay for his own legal fees? taaanenttw— to pay for his own legal fees? taaanenttw the — to pay for his own legal fees? apparently the bill for boris iahnsan-s— apparently the bill for boris johnson's-fees- apparently the bill for boris johnson's fees is now hit. johnson's legal fees is now hit. wane— johnson's legal fees is now hit. wane-tnanen— johnson's legal fees is now hit. more-quarter. £1- more than a quarter of £1 nttttan. — more than a quarter of £1 million. .usual- more than a quarter of £1 million. usual times, of million. the usual times, of course, calculating million. the usual times, of- course,-calculating-many course, are calculating how many hee— course, are calculating how many nee sehaat— course, are calculating how many free school meals— course, are calculating how many free school meals this could pay for—nurses salaries| for or how many nurses salaries that— for or how many nurses salaries that-tan — for or how many nurses salaries that-tan tnt- for or how many nurses salaries that-for. but have- that could pay for. but have thew— that could pay for. but have thew eat— that could pay for. but have they gotlpoint7- that could pay for. but have they got point? the they got a point? should the taxaawen— they got a point? should the taxaawen-tan- they got a point? should the taxpayer for boris's taxpayer be paying for boris's tetat— taxpayer be paying for boris's tetat-e— taxpayer be paying for boris's legal-? patrick- taxpayer be paying for boris's legal ? patrick christys on legal fees? patrick christys on . eh— legal fees? patrick christys on . eh tews— legal fees? patrick christys on . eh wews tet— legal fees? patrick christys on . gb news get those emails eantnt— . gb news get those emails eantnt tn.— . gb news get those emails caning in. en— . gb news get those emails coming in. gb views arnie gb tews— coming in. gb views arnie gb wews. .wh— coming in. gb views arnie gb news. .uk. rather— coming in. gb views arnie gb news. .uk. rather a lot to go ant— news. .uk. rather a lot to go ant tataw— news. .uk. rather a lot to go out today, ladies— news. .uk. rather a lot to go out today, ladies and gentlemen. do out today, ladies and gentlemen. ha wan— out today, ladies and gentlemen. ha wan teet— out today, ladies and gentlemen. ha wan teet tet— out today, ladies and gentlemen. do you feel let down by the swtt— do you feel let down by the civil service— do you feel let down by the civil service over— do you feel let down by the civil service over this fake hanttne— civil service over this fake hanttne at— civil service over this fake bonfire of eu— civil service over this fake bonfire of eu laws that is now inst— bonfire of eu laws that is now inst-nnen— bonfire of eu laws that is now inst-nneh nat— bonfire of eu laws that is now just-much not a- bonfire of eu laws that is now just much not a bonfire. no just very much not a bonfire. no ane-s-tet— just very much not a bonfire. no ane-s-tet-thtnt- just very much not a bonfire. no one's let thing have one's even let the thing have thewe— one's even let the thing have thewe-shantt— one's even let the thing have they? should boris pay for they? and should boris pay for his they? and should boris pay for hts awn— they? and should boris pay for hts tetat— they? and should boris pay for his own legal fees? gb views a ehwtwswh— his own legal fees? gb views a gbnews.uk. now— his own legal fees? gb views a gbnews.uk. now the headlines wtth— gbnews.uk. now the headlines wtth polly— gbnews.uk. now the headlines wtth tattw .— gbnews.uk. now the headlines

with polly . patrick. “its?“ with polly. patrick. thank you. east— with polly. patrick. thank you. good afternoon . and let's bring good afternoon. and let's bring you the very latest news headlines. our top story today, the chancellor says the bank of england's latest interest rates will prove challenging for families with mortgages. his comments come after the uk's central bank raised rates for the 12th time in a row. in a further attempt to tackle soaring inflation. the bank's base rate has increased by a quarter of a percentage point from 4.25 to 4.5, the highest level in 15 years. jeremy hunt says the measures will help families in the long run, although it's obviously good news, the bank is not now predicting a recession. this yeah predicting a recession. this year. it's very : if “g f this year. it's very challenging for tantttes— year. it's very challenging for families with— year. it's very challenging for families with mortgages to see tnterest— families with mortgages to see interest rates— families with mortgages to see interest rates go— families with mortgages to see interest rates go up. but unless we taette— interest rates go up. but unless we tackle rising— interest rates go up. but unless we tackle rising prices, the east— we tackle rising prices, the east at— we tackle rising prices, the cost of living— we tackle rising prices, the cost of living crisis will just atentnn— cost of living crisis will just continue. and— cost of living crisis will just continue. and that's why it is essenttat— continue. and that's why it is essential we— continue. and that's why it is essential we stick to our plan to essential we stick to our plan ta hatte— essential we stick to our plan to halve inflation.— essential we stick to our plan to halve inflation. and if we do aha,— to halve inflation. and if we do that, we— to halve inflation. and if we do that, we an— to halve inflation. and if we do that, we can bring— to halve inflation. and if we do that, we can bring certainty hast— that, we can bring certainty hast ta— that, we can bring certainty back to family— that, we can bring certainty back to family finances. that, we can bring certainty back to family finances . while back to family finances. well, the statew— back to family finances. well, the shadow chancellor rachel reeves, says the rise will be of

concern to many british households today. will be a day of great anxiety for many families and businesses around the country who are facing the 12th increase in interest rates in just a matter of months. that means higher mortgage ts — that means higher mortgage costs. already— that means higher mortgage costs. already people have paid £1 costs. already people have paid at httttan— costs. already people have paid £1 billion more— costs. already people have paid £1 billion more in— costs. already people have paid £1 billion more in mortgage neaawnents— £1 billion more in mortgage repayments compared to where thew— repayments compared to where thew wantt— repayments compared to where they would have— repayments compared to where they would have been six months ago they would have been six months ata . — they would have been six months ata . waw— they would have been six months aga . wow the— they would have been six months ago . now the uk— they would have been six months ago . now the uk has- they would have been six months ago . htztt e ago. now the uk has confirmed it is supplying ukraine with long—range missiles it requested for its fight against russia. the defence secretary, ben wallace, says the donation of storm shadow missile shells gives ukraine the best chance yet to defend themselves . the yet to defend themselves. the decision follows kiev's repeated pleas for more weapons from the west . addressing mps earlier, west. addressing mps earlier, ben wallace also said the united nafions ben wallace also said the united nations had found russia had committed war crimes as badly. so far, at least 23,000 ukrainian— so far, at least 23,000 ukrainian civilians have been ttttet— ukrainian civilians have been ttttet an— ukrainian civilians have been killed or wounded, although the aetnat— killed or wounded, although the aetnat ttnte— killed or wounded, although the actual figure is— killed or wounded, although the actual figure is likely to be substantially— actual figure is likely to be substantially higher . thousands

substantially higher. thousands of substantially higher. thousands at etttzens— substantially higher. thousands of citizens have— substantially higher. thousands of citizens have been sent to stntsten— of citizens have been sent to sinister filtration— of citizens have been sent to sinister filtration camps before tetng— sinister filtration camps before hetnatanethtw— sinister filtration camps before being forcibly relocated to ttnssta— being forcibly relocated to ttnssta. — being forcibly relocated to russia. some— being forcibly relocated to russia. wc�*q�*q�* being forcibly relocated to russia. iiooo ti“ t: ”til" being forcibly relocated to- russia. some 6000 children range in ages from four months to 17 years are now in, quote, re—education camps across russia . the un, as well as us and vestttatans— . the un, as well as us and vestigators, have— the un, as well as us and vestigators, have found that ttnssta— vestigators, have found that ttnssta has— vestigators, have found that russia has committed war crimes wtth— russia has committed war crimes wtth tenanet— russia has committed war crimes with reported evidence of executions,— with reported evidence of executions, torture and sexual wtatenee— executions, torture and sexual watenee tn— executions, torture and sexual violence in civilian areas . violence in civilian areas. hattstan-s— violence in civilian areas. pakistan's supreme- violence in civilian areas. pakistan's supreme court has ordered for the release of the former prime minister, imran khan , and says his arrest was khan, and says his arrest was illegal. mr khan was arrested on tuesday by paramilitary officers in riot gear in a courtroom. it sparked widespread protests across the country, with more than 1000 arrested, forcing the government to call in the army to help restore order . here. to help restore order. here. rail services run by the operator trans pennine express are to be brought under government control. the transport secretary has

announced the decision follows continuous cancellation sessions. mark harper says the firm's contract will not be extended or renewed. the department of transport will instead take over from may the 28th. the train operator , which 28th. the train operator, which covers northern england and runs in parts of scotland, saw 1 in 6 services cancelled in march . services cancelled in march. west yorkshire mayor tracy tracy babin welcomed the move but said it won't happen overnight. now a met police officer has been found not guilty of unlawfully inflicting grievous bodily harm on a man who was left paralysed after being tasered . and a after being tasered. and a warning for those watching on tv . the following footage does contain distress arcing images. imran mahmood tasered jordan walker brown whilst on patrol dunng walker brown whilst on patrol during the first covid lockdown . mr walker brown, who was 23 at the time, broke his back and hit his head on the pavement, leaving him with injuries. mr mahmood told the court he believed mr walker brown had a weapon on him and that he could have been dangerous . the duchess

have been dangerous. the duchess of edinburgh has given her heartfelt thoughts and prayers to a woman in her 80. who was hit by a police motorbike escorting the royal. the met police says the collision took place yesterday in earls court in west london. buckingham palace says the duchess is grateful for the swift response by the emergency services, including the air ambulance . the including the air ambulance. the woman remains in a critical condition in hospital plied quarry have appointed clear griffith as interim leader . it griffith as interim leader. it follows the resignation of adam price last night after a report into the welsh nationalist party's culture. the report found the party had failed to implement a zero tolerance approach to sexual harassment, bullying and misogyny . the bullying and misogyny. the appointment will be subject to ratification by the party's national council on saturday. and finally , the bbc has found and finally, the bbc has found there were no concerns about richard sharp's integrity whilst he was chairman of the broadcaster. a bbc conflicts of

interest review was commissioned following mr sharp's resignation from the corporation in april after he was found to have breached the rules for public appointments . you're up to date appointments. you're up to date on gb news. more news as it happens. on gb news. more news as it happens . now on gb news. more news as it happens. now back to . happens. now back to. patrick us wasn't very important for news anyone who is home owner or thinking about getting on the property market or actually anyone who really cares about the in pocket in the money in their pocket in general, because bank of general, because the bank of england interest england has raised the interest rate 12th time a row, rate for the 12th time in a row, taking the rate up to 4.5, taking the base rate up to 4.5, andifs taking the base rate up to 4.5, and it's putting more pressure on squeezed households already battling with soaring energy bills and food bills . et cetera. bills and food bills. et cetera. chancellor jeremy _ bills and food bills. et cetera. chancellorjeremy hunt- ?“t: : et cetera. chancellorjeremy hunt says that chancellor jeremy hunt says that whtte— chancellor jeremy hunt says that whtte the— chancellor jeremy hunt says that while the interest— chancellor jeremy hunt says that while the interest rate rise wttt— while the interest rate rise wttt he— while the interest rate rise will be painful— while the interest rate rise will be painful for many people, netnetnt— will be painful for many people, reducing inflation— will be painful for many people, reducing inflation is their main target.— reducing inflation is their main target. although—

reducing inflation is their main target. although it's obviously taat— target. although it's obviously good news— target. although it's obviously good news, the— target. although it's obviously good news, the bank is not now anettettnt— good news, the bank is not now anettettnt a— good news, the bank is not now predicting a recession this wean — predicting a recession this wean tts— predicting a recession this wean. tts wew— predicting a recession this year. g “g predicting a recession this year. d “g year. it's very challenging for families with mortgages to see interest rates go up. but unless we tackle rising prices as the cost of living crisis will just continue and that's why it is essential we stick to our plan to halve inflation. and if we do that, we can bring certainty back to family finances. joining me now is paul back to family finances. - joining me now is paul johnson , joining me now is paul johnson, wha— joining me now is paul johnson, wha ts— joining me now is paul johnson, wha ts the— joining me now is paul johnson, who is the director— joining me now is paul johnson, who is the director of the tnstttnte— who is the director of the institute for— who is the director of the institute for fiscal studies. thank— institute for fiscal studies. thant wan— institute for fiscal studies. thant wan wew— institute for fiscal studies. thank you very much for joining us. thank you very much for joining there-s— thank you very much for joining thene-s a— thank you very much for joining us. there's a lot— thank you very much for joining us. there's a lot of— thank you very much for joining us. there's a lot of frustration ant— us. there's a lot of frustration ant there— us. there's a lot of frustration ant there at— us. there's a lot of frustration out there at the _ us. there's a lot of frustration out there at the moment with anttnatw— out there at the moment with ordinary households and business the— ordinary households and business owners. the bank— ordinary households and business owners. the bank of england tetng— owners. the bank of england tetng nnatte— owners. the bank of england being unable to— owners. the bank of england being unable to get to grips wtth— being unable to get to grips wtth an— being unable to get to grips with our economy at the moment. that-s— with our economy at the moment. thats the— with our economy at the moment. that's the perception anyway. ant— that's the perception anyway. ant then— that's the perception anyway. and then them— that's the perception anyway. and then them just telling aeaate— and then them just telling aeaate ta— and then them just telling people to things accept people to do things like accept for people to do things like accept tan tetng— people to do things like accept for being poorer— people to do things like accept for being poorer or take a lower pav— for being poorer or take a lower aaw nse— for being poorer or take a lower aaw what— for being poorer or take a lower pay rise. what do— for being poorer or take a lower pay rise. what do you make of whats—the- pay rise. what do you make of what's—the minute pay rise. what do you make of. what's—the minute ? what's going on at the minute? wett— what's going on at the minute? watt .— what's going on at the minute? watt . the— what's going on at the minute? well , the reason— what's going on at the minute? well , the reason we— what's going on at the minute? well , the reason we got- what's going on at the minute? well, the reason we got higher interest rates today was because inflation isn't under control . inflation isn't under control. and the bankers increased its forecast of what's going to

happen to inflation over the next couple of years. actually, it's still coming— next couple of years. actually, it's still coming down,- tttit. actually, it's still coming down, but titit. actually, it's still coming down, but much tess— it's still coming down, but much tess tntettw— it's still coming down, but much less quickly than— it's still coming down, but much less quickly than they'd hoped. on less quickly than they'd hoped. the the— less quickly than they'd hoped. the the waste— less quickly than they'd hoped. on the upside side there, thew-we— on the upside side there, thew-we gat— on the upside side there, thew-we eat a— on the upside side there, they've got a lot more optimistic— they've got a lot more optimistic about the state of the— optimistic about the state of the enw— optimistic about the state of the economy. they're no longer snatesttnt— the economy. they're no longer snggesttne wee— the economy. they're no longer suggesting we're in recession ant— suggesting we're in recession ant na— suggesting we're in recession ant na tangen— suggesting we're in recession and no longer suggesting we're going— and no longer suggesting we're tatnt-neeesstan. - and no longer suggesting we're going recession. so going to have a recession. so there— going to have a recession. so there-taat- going to have a recession. so there-good news- going to have a recession. so there good news there. there is some good news there. waw— there is some good news there. wawlts— there is some good news there. wawlts a— there is some good news there. now is a statement of fact, now it is a statement of fact, tn — now it is a statement of fact, tn atnatt— now it is a statement of fact, i'm afraid that— now it is a statement of fact, i'm afraid that we— now it is a statement of fact, i'm afraid that we are poorer, that— i'm afraid that we are poorer, that the— i'm afraid that we are poorer, that the increases in energy and hat— that the increases in energy and taat anaes— that the increases in energy and food prices have— that the increases in energy and food prices have left us less wett— food prices have left us less net at.— food prices have left us less well off. we're— food prices have left us less well off. we're a— food prices have left us less well off. we're a country that tnaants— well off. we're a country that tnaans nast— well off. we're a country that imports most of— well off. we're a country that imports most of our energy and a lot imports most of our energy and a tat at— imports most of our energy and a tat at an— imports most of our energy and a lot of our food. _ imports most of our energy and a lot of our food. in— imports most of our energy and a lot of our food. in a— imports most of our energy and a lot of our food. in a sense, it is lot of our food. in a sense, it ts thenetane— lot of our food. in a sense, it is therefore a— lot of our food. in a sense, it is therefore a statement of fact that— is therefore a statement of fact that we — is therefore a statement of fact that we are that— is therefore a statement of fact that we are that we are worse att. — that we are that we are worse ah. the— that we are that we are worse ah. the waw— that we are that we are worse ah. the waw tn— that we are that we are worse off. the way in which the chief eeananntst— off. the way in which the chief economist at— off. the way in which the chief economist at the— off. the way in which the chief economist at the bank of england eaanesset— economist at the bank of england exanesset that— economist at the bank of england expressed that i— economist at the bank of england expressed that i think was sanewhat— expressed that i think was somewhat unfortunate, aanttentatw— somewhat unfortunate, particularly when he that particularly when he used that as a statement— particularly when he used that as a statement to— particularly when he used that as a statement to encourage aeaate— as a statement to encourage aeaate nat— as a statement to encourage aeaate nat ta— as a statement to encourage people not to demand higher wsage— people not to demand higher age wett— people not to demand higher wages. well, of— people not to demand higher wages. well, of course people aent— wages. well, of course people aent gatng— wages. well, of course people aent gatng ta— wages. well, of course people aren't going to take any notice of aren't going to take any notice at that. — aren't going to take any notice at that. -gatng- aren't going to take any notice of that. _going to- aren't going to take any notice of that. going to do of that. we're all going to do the— of that. we're all going to do the-ean— of that. we're all going to do the-tan tan- of that. we're all going to do the can for ourselves. the best we can for ourselves. tnt— the best we can for ourselves. but-absolutely- the best we can for ourselves. but absolutely right that but he's absolutely right that that— but he's absolutely right that that-collectively- but he's absolutely right that that collectively , we will be

that we collectively, we will be att— that we collectively, we will be worse off and— that we collectively, we will be worse off and if— that we collectively, we will be worse off and if some people nage— worse off and if some people age ta— worse off and if some people manage to restore their wages , manage to restore their wages, that— manage to restore their wages, that wttt— manage to restore their wages, that will mean— manage to restore their wages, that will mean other people aetnattw— that will mean other people actually doing— that will mean other people actually doing worse. okay. i . theta— actually doing worse. okay. i mean , there is— actually doing worse. okay. i mean , there is some sense mean, there is some sense amongst food shoppers that supermarkets are almost deliberately profiteering and blaming things like brexit, blaming things like brexit, blaming things like the war in ukraine, etcetera. and actually thew— ukraine, etcetera. and actually thew ae— ukraine, etcetera. and actually thew hating— ukraine, etcetera. and actually they are making rather- i and actually they are making rather a lot of nanew— they are making rather a lot of nanew at— they are making rather a lot of nanew at the— they are making rather a lot of money at the moment. i mean, is there— money at the moment. i mean, is there anw— money at the moment. i mean, is there anw tenth— money at the moment. i mean, is there any truth to— money at the moment. i mean, is there any truth to that? chit" e there any truth to that? i don't thtnt— there any truth to that? i don't thtnt theta— there any truth to that? i don't think there is— there any truth to that? i don't think there is particularly food pnces think there is particularly food prices are genuinely going up and the supermarkets are passing those increase is through. we're seeing that across the world and actually we're seeing it partly for all sorts of reasons. certainly partly to do with ukraine, partly to do with what's been happening in the weather in certain parts of the world. it is partly to do with the increased costs associated with because pound is with brexit because the pound is less otherwise less strong than it otherwise guys otherwise would have been. but the numbers are shocking. i the— but the numbers are shocking. i the teat— but the numbers are shocking. i mean, the food inflation- but the numbers are shocking. i mean, the food inflation is- mean, the food inflation is something like 18, but it is

worth saying that we and the people we were working with back in in september forecast in back in september forecast almost exactly this. this shouldn't come- almost exactly this. this shouldn't come as- almost exactly this. this shouldn't come as a- i this shouldn't come as a great big snnanse— shouldn't come as a great big surprise because— shouldn't come as a great big surprise because it really does wettest— surprise because it really does reflect what's— surprise because it really does reflect what's happening in the market. — reflect what's happening in the market. whw— reflect what's happening in the market. why should- reflect what's happening in the market. why should people believe forecasters when the bank of england has been consistently wrong about our predicted growth ? i mean, our predicted growth? i mean, our ant— predicted growth? i mean, our economics and business- : iit: g“ i mean, our economics and business editor nan— economics and business editor ttan natttgan— economics and business editor liam halligan has actually been eanststenttw— liam halligan has actually been consistently-about- consistently right about hntatn-s— consistently right about britain's growth. yet we britain's growth. and yet we appear— britain's growth. and yet we aaaean ta— britain's growth. and yet we aaaean ta have— britain's growth. and yet we appear to have been almost deliberately— appear to have been almost deliberately talking ourselves tawn— deliberately talking ourselves tawn-that— deliberately talking ourselves down.-that-have| down. surely that could have aetnattw— down. surely that could have aetnattw hat— down. surely that could have actually had negative impact actually had a negative impact then— actually had a negative impact then-ttte— actually had a negative impact then like investment then on things like investment ant— then on things like investment and—harmedl then on things like investment. and—harmed our and actually actively harmed our eeananwe— and actually actively harmed our eeananwe the— and actually actively harmed our economy? the very— and actually actively harmed our economy? the very people who _weeta — economy? the very people who _weeta he - economy? the very people who were _to be looking. were supposed to be looking atten— were supposed to be looking atten-tt— were supposed to be looking after-it depends. were supposed to be looking after it depends which after it? well, it depends which bit-the— after it.7 well, it depends which bit .the forecast _ after it.7 well, it depends which bit the forecast you're bit of the forecast you're looking— bit of the forecast you're looking at. — bit of the forecast you're looking at. “in; looking at. yes. the bank of england has been incredibly negative over the last um, certainly, you know, nine months or about about growth. and it or so about about growth. and it was way under it was— was way under it was remarkably out of— was way under it was remarkably out of une— was way under it was remarkably out of line with— was way under it was remarkably out of line with all— was way under it was remarkably out of line with all the other fsrssassrss— out of line with all the other forecasters until— out of line with all the other forecasters until this month, which— forecasters until this month, which is— forecasters until this month, which is perhaps why they have dramatically— which is perhaps why they have dramatically improved their forecasts— dramatically improved their forecasts in— dramatically improved their forecasts in terms of forecasts. generally. — forecasts in terms of forecasts.

generally. su— forecasts in terms of forecasts. generally, all forecasts- forecasts in terms of forecasts. generally, all forecasts are- generally, all forecasts are wrong. they're just the best information that we have at that moment . and we have this bizarre moment. and we have this bizarre situation in march where the office of budget responsibility was draghi, which is the sort of fiscal , was fiscal watchdog, was dramatically optimistic dramatically more optimistic than the bank of england, which is sort of monetary watchdog than the bank of england, which is the sort of monetary watchdog than the bank of england, which is the monetarysnetary watchdog than the bank of england, which is the monetary policy watchdog than the bank of england, which is the monetary policy maker. g or the monetary policy maker. and it's very strange that we m.k..g_ and it's very strange that we were making fiscal policy that's taxes— were making fiscal policy that's taxes and— were making fiscal policy that's taxes and spending the basis taxes and spending on the basis of one— taxes and spending on the basis of ses— taxes and spending on the basis et set et— taxes and spending on the basis of one set of forecasts and penet— of one set of forecasts and pettey en— of one set of forecasts and policy on interest rates on the tests— policy on interest rates on the tests-e— policy on interest rates on the basis a completely different basis of a completely different set-forecast— basis of a completely different set-forecast and— set of forecast and very different _ set of forecast and very different indeed, set of forecast and very- different indeed,-different different indeed, more different tttn— different indeed, more different then—ever- different indeed, more different than—ever beeni different indeed, more different. than—ever been . than i think they've ever been. tut— than i think they've ever been. tut en— than i think they've ever been. tut on the— than i think they've ever been. but on the other— than i think they've ever been. but on the other hand,- than i think they've ever been. but on the other hand, the- than i think they've ever been. but on the other hand, the bank of has actually been of england has actually been massively overoptimistic about how get how quickly it will get inflation down. i mean, what it said this today is that inflation, as i said, will be higher for longer than they were expected. so they're shifting to being more optimistic on the economy, but less optimistic on inflation. thank you very much . inflation. thank you very much. great to chat. it's paul johnson teete— great to chat. it's paul johnson ttete wte— great to chat. it's paul johnson there who ts— great to chat. it's paul johnson there who is the— great to chat. it's paul johnson there who is the director of the tnstttute— there who is the director of the institute . fiscal _ there who is the director of the institute fiscal studies, institute for fiscal studies, ttst— institute for fiscal studies, test teeettne— institute for fiscal studies, just reacting to— institute for fiscal studies, just reacting to some of the. wett— just reacting to some of the. wet, .— just reacting to some of the. wet, . wes— just reacting to some of the. well, i was going to say, steettne. — well, i was going to say,i shocking. _that shocking. there's not that much

of_m_ shocking. there's not that much et—tte eut— shocking. there's not that much et—tte tut ttte- of a shock, is it.7 but the devastating— of a shock, is it.7 but the devastating economic news that weeett—tet- devastating economic news thati we—eetttet-se we brought to you earlier on. so tnterest— we brought to you earlier on. so interest rates— we brought to you earlier on. so interest rates are— we brought to you earlier on. so interest rates are at— we brought to you earlier on. so interest rates are at their ttgtest— interest rates are at their highest level— interest rates are at their highest level since two thousand and highest level since two thousand ent—ts- highest level since two thousand ent—ts sttttl and seven and inflation is still ttste— and seven and inflation is still stove to.— and seven and inflation is still above 10. _much- and seven and inflation is still above 10. much higher above 10. that's much higher tttn— above 10. that's much higher. then—unttet than we're seeing in the united states.— than we're seeing in the united states-_ttenl states. it's much higher than we're-in europe.- states. it's much higher than we're in europe. and the we're seeing in europe. and the eest— we're seeing in europe. and the eest-ttstne— we're seeing in europe. and the cost-living crisis— we're seeing in europe. and the cost living crisis doesn't cost of living crisis doesn't teet— cost of living crisis doesn't. look—anywhere look like it's going anywhere entttme— look like it's going anywhere anytime soon,— look like it's going anywhere anytime soon, does it.7 and thee-s— anytime soon, does it.7 and there's rumours— anytime soon, does it.7 and there's rumours of things going on there's rumours of things going en te— there's rumours of things going on tn ttte— there's rumours of things going on in the housing— there's rumours of things going on in the housing market that eret— on in the housing market that set gotng— on in the housing market that set gotng te— on in the housing market that aren't going to be particularly etee— aren't going to be particularly etse—thought- aren't going to be particularly nice _thought i'd. aren't going to be particularly. nice _thought i'd ask nice. and i just thought i'd ask a nice. and i just thought i'd ask t tt— nice. and i just thought i'd ask a ttt et— nice. and i just thought i'd ask a ttt et e— nice. and i just thought i'd ask a bit of a provocative question today.— a bit of a provocative question tetey. ts— a bit of a provocative question today. is capitalism failing.7 joining— today. is capitalism failing.7 joining me— today. is capitalism failing.7 joining me now— today. is capitalism failing.7 joining me now are andy mayer trem— joining me now are andy mayer teem ttte— joining me now are andy mayer from the institute— joining me now are andy mayer from the institute of economic attetts— from the institute of economic attetts ent— from the institute of economic affairs and theo— from the institute of economic affairs and theo sharif, who is the national— affairs and theo sharif, who is the national organiser of young seetettsts— the national organiser of young seetettsts .— the national organiser of young socialists . so— the national organiser of young socialists . so here we go. andy socialists. so here we go. andy i socialists. so here we go. andy twttt— socialists. so here we go. andy twttt start— socialists. so here we go. andy i will start with— socialists. so here we go. andy i will start with you if that's all i will start with you if that's at nett— i will start with you if that's all right. how— i will start with you if that's all right. how would you respond to tesete— all right. how would you respond to peepte wte— all right. how would you respond to peepte who set,— all right. how would you respond to people who say, look, i'm h....g_ to people who say, look, i'm tevtne e— to people who say, look, i'm having a look— to people who say, look, i'm having a look around our economy at ttte— having a look around our economy at the mtnute— having a look around our economy at the minute. it's— having a look around our economy at the minute. it's not working. everyone-s— at the minute. it's not working. everyone's poorer— at the minute. it's not working. everyone's poorer .7 yeah, that's everyone's poorer? yeah, that's tetse— everyone's poorer? yeah, that's before capitalism _ everyone's poorer? yeah, that's before capitalism would go for seetettsm — before capitalism would go for seetettsm . — before capitalism would go for socialism . well,— before capitalism would go for socialism . �*ft�*tzgc g socialism. well, the thing that's rising, most of all at the moment is the size of the state and the amount of state control our lives. so there's control in our lives. so there's certainly failure going on, but it's government failure

certainly failure going on, but it's a government failure certainly failure going on, but it's a failure overnment failure certainly failure going on, but it's a failure ofernment failure certainly failure going on, but it's a failure of the1ent failure certainly failure going on, but it's a failure of the market ure , not a failure of the market system . what we've through system. what we've gone through in times is a cost of in recent times is a cost of living crisis, and that's principally the principally been driven by the cost which in turn cost of energy, which in turn has caused mostly by a lack has been caused mostly by a lack of planning the side of the of planning on the side of the west and the russian aggression against ukraine in the east. and those are things that are less to with capitalism versus to do with capitalism versus socialism with socialism and more to do with the idea that parts of our economy can be controlled in order to achieve environmental outcomes than market outcomes faster than the market will bear . so outcomes faster than the market will bear. so order to will bear. so in order to deliver higher standards of living, we need to get back to the principle to do the principle of trying to do things energy cheaply things like energy as cheaply and as as possible. okay. and as well as possible. okay. all and i'll and as well as possible. okay. all-and i'll bring- and as well as possible. okay. all-and i'll bring you. and as well as possible. okay. all-and i'll bring you ini all right. and i'll bring you in _ts ttte- all right. and i'll bring you in now. is the national now. theo, who is the national etenteset— now. theo, who is the national organiser-young— now. theo, who is the national organiser young socialists . i organiser of young socialists. i tmeetne— organiser of young socialists. i can imagine that— organiser of young socialists. i can imagine that you would be stutte— can imagine that you would be qutte happy_ can imagine that you would be quite happy for_ can imagine that you would be quite happy for us to move towards— quite happy for us to move towards a— quite happy for us to move towards a completely socialist system. — towards a completely socialist system. test,— towards a completely socialist system. yeah, well , i am system. yeah, well, i am a seetettst— system. yeah, well, i am a socialist, and— system. yeah, well, i am a socialist, and i— system. yeah, well, i am a socialist, and i think it's funny— socialist, and i think it's funny listening to your last guest— funny listening to your last guest ent— funny listening to your last guest and the— funny listening to your last guest and the current guest tete- — guest and the current guest tete- tts— guest and the current guest here. it's always- guest and the current guest here. . g guest and the current guest- here. it's always something like ukraine war or even the weather thatis ukraine war or even the weather that is responsible for inflation. but it's never the eteptent— inflation. but it's never the eteptent tn— inflation. but it's never the

elephant in the— cit" but it's never the elephant in the room, is it? tts— elephant in the room, is it? tt-s ptettt. — elephant in the room, is it? it's profit. it— elephant in the room, is it? it's profit. it is- elephant in the room, is it? it's profit. . sat elephant in the room, is it? it's profit. . it's profit. it is the system of capitalism. it's the companies, the energy companies like shell and that posting record and bp that are posting record profits moment , and bp that are posting record profits moment, or even profits at the moment, or even the sector currently in the banking sector currently in the banking sector currently in the previous items on the us. while previous items on your news show this afternoon are talking about people unable your news show this afternoon arepayking about people unable your news show this afternoon ar

ttewtte we— and gas industries and this trouble we get— and gas industries and this trouble we get from the socialists, _ trouble we get from the socialists, they always want to attest— socialists, they always want to attack theta— socialists, they always want to attack their own _ socialists, they always want to attack their own countries. they atwaws— attack their own countries. they atwaws want— attack their own countries. they atwaws want to — attack their own countries. they always want to attack the west ant— always want to attack the west ant-at— always want to attack the west and-at examples- always want to attack the west and at examples of and look at examples of successful— and look at examples of- successful-businesses successful private businesses that— successful private businesses that - productive - successful private businesses that productive and that are more productive and atte— that are more productive and atte te— that are more productive and able to deliver— that are more productive and able to deliver goods at lower prices— able to deliver goods at lower wtees tet— able to deliver goods at lower prices for people _ able to deliver goods at lower prices for people than they want to test— prices for people than they want to test at— prices for people than they want to look at these— prices for people than they want to look at these very authoritarian regimes that are atten— authoritarian regimes that are attea tett— authoritarian regimes that are often left wing— authoritarian regimes that are often left wing governments . so often left wing governments. so tse-s— often left wing governments. so he's-wrong— often left wing governments. so he's-wrong about- often left wing governments. so he's wrong about that. and he's just wrong about that. and if he's just wrong about that. and tt wea— he's just wrong about that. and tt wsa tave— he's just wrong about that. and if you have more— he's just wrong about that. and if you have more competition, vou— if you have more competition, you aeaetattw— if you have more competition, you generally drive down the patte— you generally drive down the price—so- you generally drive down thei patee—saltea-t you generally drive down the price large so don't you generally drive down the price large oil so don't you generally drive down the price large oil companies on't you generally drive down the price large oil companies to �*t you generally drive down the price large oil companies to make want large oil companies to make sweet—t- super normal profits. what i want— super normal profits. what i waatlttett— super normal profits. what i want their profits to be want is their profits to be erased— want is their profits to be etatet tw— want is their profits to be eroded by more competition from mete—semaatpes- eroded by more competition from more companies and more oil and gas companies and eweatwattw— more oil and gas companies and eventually renewable energy eventually from renewable energy coming— eventually from renewable energy eerwne-teats— eventually from renewable energy coming-loads and- eventually from renewable energy coming loads and loads of coming from loads and loads of smatt— coming from loads and loads of small entrepreneurial companies .—getttag- small entrepreneurial companies .—eetttag ws| . developing ways of getting us past—eeeaemwl past the fossil fuel economy. etaw. — past the fossil fuel economy. etaw. -,— past the fossil fuel economy. etaw. -, .— past the fossil fuel economy. okav--w . wttt- past the fossil fuel economy. okay.-, i will just. past the fossil fuel economy. . okay.-, i will just come okay. oh, look, i will just come tast— okay. oh, look, i will just come tact aa— okay. oh, look, i will just come tact an that— okay. oh, look, i will just come back on that and— okay. oh, look, i will just come back on that and ask you to respond— back on that and ask you to respond to— back on that and ask you to respond to what— back on that and ask you to respond to what andy says, but atso— respond to what andy says, but atse-att— respond to what andy says, but also-add-would- respond to what andy says, but also add would you say also just add what would you say to also just add what would you say te-wta— also just add what would you say te-wte ga— also just add what would you say te-wte 90a att— also just add what would you say to who go, all right, to people who go, all right, wett— to people who go, all right, wet-anew,— to people who go, all right, well, know, evidence to people who go, all right, wellwe know, evidence to people who go, all right, wellwe know, proper dence to people who go, all right, wellwe know, proper socialist that we have of proper socialist sasttes— that we have of proper socialist countries,-things- that we have of proper socialist countries, things like countries, there are things like veaezweta— countries, there are things like venezuela where _ countries, there are things like venezuela where were venezuela where they were tttne— venezuela where they werei tttness—test venezuela where they were . killing—food . venezuela where they were - killing—food . | killing zoo animals for food. i tan-t— killing zoo animals for food. i don't-venezuela- killing zoo animals for food. i don't-venezuela is- don't think venezuela is socialist and i don't agree with the points that were just made . the points that were just made. you know that a state owned energy companies, they're not

running the interests of working class people . when we talk about class people. when we talk about as genuine— class people. when we talk about as genuine socialists— class people. when we talk about as genuine socialists ,— f when we talk about as genuine socialists , when we as genuine socialists, when we tatt— as genuine socialists, when we tatt atswt— as genuine socialists, when we talk about nationalisation , we talk about nationalisation, we tatt— talk about nationalisation, we tatt atswt— talk about nationalisation, we talk about nationalising the energy— talk about nationalising the energy company , the banks, the energy company, the banks, the key energy company, the banks, the tew tesets— energy company, the banks, the key tests at— energy company, the banks, the key levers of the— energy company, the banks, the key levers of the economy under newsstatts— key levers of the economy under democratic working class control and democratic working class control aat management— democratic working class control and management in order to run the esswses— and management in order to run the resources is— and management in order to run the resources is the— and management in order to run the resources is the money, the weattt— the resources is the money, the weattt twat— the resources is the money, the wealth that exists— the resources is the money, the wealth that exists in society to plan— wealth that exists in society to state tt— wealth that exists in society to state ttlwe — wealth that exists in society to state ttlwe sa— wealth that exists in society to plan it we can actually plan it so we can actually attess— plan it so we can actually address-let's- plan it so we can actually address. let's address address. let's let's address teatttw— address. let's let's address reality-britain- address. let's let's address reality britain and worldwide reality in britain and worldwide tstaw— reality in britain and worldwide tstaw tte— reality in britain and worldwide tstaw tte ts— reality in britain and worldwide today, the is crumbling. people sawt— today, the is crumbling. people saw-t young— today, the is crumbling. people can't young people can't get attestatte— can't young people can't get affordable housing. this man's tte— affordable housing. this man's the aa— affordable housing. this man's own the iea that— affordable housing. this man's own the iea that he works for is in own the iea that he works for is ta a— own the iea that he works for is ta a pants— own the iea that he works for is in a panic because— own the iea that he works for is in a panic because young people are in a panic because young people twatag— in a panic because young people are turning towards— in a panic because young people are turning towards socialist ant— are turning towards socialist ant tett— are turning towards socialist ant tett wtag— are turning towards socialist and left wing ideas. ”tizttitx and left wing ideas. the report that— and left wing ideas. the report that wsa— and left wing ideas. the report that you published at the end of last says admits it last year says and admits it admits itself capitalism has none of the answers for young people or even older generations of workers . at this at this of workers. at this at this stage. — of workers. at this at this stage. aet— of workers. at this at this stage. a&e yeah,- of workers. at this at this stage. a&e yeah, it's clearly not what the report says . what not what the report says. what the report correctly— not what the report says. what the report correctly notes- what the report correctly notes is that— the report correctly notes is that young— the report correctly notes is that young people are turning to the tett,— that young people are turning to the tett, ant— that young people are turning to the left, and that's a matter of regret.— the left, and that's a matter of regret. steattw— the left, and that's a matter of regret. clearly for— the left, and that's a matter of regret. clearly for people who tettewe—

regret. clearly for people who believe - markets- regret. clearly for people who believe - markets .- regret. clearly for people who believe markets . but believe in free markets. but twat-s— believe in free markets. but that's uncommon thing for that's not an uncommon thing for young— that's not an uncommon thing for wane-ts— that's not an uncommon thing for wane-ts east— that's not an uncommon thing for young to react against young people to react against the state. — young people to react against the state. they— young people to react against the state. "a; f" young people to react against the state. "a; f it." the state. they cannot say much about what supporters of capitalism response capitalism should do in response because you've got no answers. capitalism exists in britain.- capitalism exists in britain. it extsts— capitalism exists in britain. it extsts-tte— capitalism exists in britain. it exists-the world,- capitalism exists in britain. it exists the world, and it exists across the world, and it otters— exists across the world, and it sttets as— exists across the world, and it offers no solution— exists across the world, and it offers no solution whatsoever . offers no solution whatsoever. no-group_ offers no solution whatsoever. ws-gtsap .- offers no solution whatsoever. ws-gtsap . ss- offers no solution whatsoever. no-group . so let's. no campaign group. so let's let's talk about real example of why young people are turning to the left . torfaen we'll go to the left. torfaen we'll go to antw— the left. torfaen we'll go to andy ant— the left. torfaen we'll go to andy and then— the left. torfaen we'll go to andy and then i'll- torfaen we'll go to andy and then i'll come back to wsa.— andy and then i'll come back to wsa. twea— andy and then i'll come back to wsa. ttea ss— andy and then i'll come back to you. thea go on. _ andy and then i'll come back to you. thea go on. g you. thea go on. all right. so about the housing crisis, is caused by a high level of state intervention control in intervention and control in housing markets. and it's not in the fashioned doing housing markets. and it's not in ththroughshioned doing housing markets. and it's not in ththrough council doing housing markets. and it's not in ththrough council housing.)ing it through council housing. that's one problem. but it's in the way of doing it through planning and putting many planning and putting too many regulations stop regulations in place to stop people young people building homes that young people building homes that young people need. need if you people need. we need if you direct estate planning and you get the state out of the way and you make it more affordable for people either people to be able to either build their own to buy build their own homes or to buy them more cheaply from others who doing it, then who are good at doing it, then you raise living you will help raise living standards, for standards, particularly for younger people. so this is a problem. corporatism and problem. more of corporatism and state with large

state collusion with large property companies than it is of capitalism can i say? capitalism. theo, can i say? test,— capitalism. theo, can i say? look,icompletely- {fit theo, can i say? look, completely understand look, i completely understand that— look, i completely understand twat—tte- look, i completely understand. that—the country that you look around the country at—see- at the moment and you see numerous different that numerous different things that are just absolutely aren't working-— are just absolutely aren't - wsattaa—ttat are just absolutely aren't- working._that and working. we can all see that and you sa— working. we can all see that and you can see that— working. we can all see that and you can see that around the watt— you can see that around the watt as— you can see that around the world as well. _ you can see that around the world as well. i— you can see that around the world as well. i think for a lot of world as well. i think for a lot st-mwsett— world as well. i think for a lot of myself included, my of people, myself included, my tetwstaase— reluctance to hurtle headfirst tswatts— reluctance to hurtle headfirst towards socialism was that i tast— towards socialism was that i just fundamentally believe just fundamentally don't believe that any government would be atte— that any government would be awe-tt— that any government would be atte-tt mast- that any government would be able it much better on able to handle it much better on assnt— able to handle it much better on assswntltne— able to handle it much better on account the evidence that account of the evidence that we — i've seen of governments not tetng—tntngs- i've seen of governments notj being—things very being able to run things very wet.— being able to run things very wettlwnw— being able to run things very well..why would- being able to run things very well. why would it be well. so why would it be ttttenent— well. so why would it be different-on- well. so why would it be different on socialism for different then on socialism for you?— different then on socialism for you? wett— different then on socialism for you? well certainly government, different then on socialism for you? �*you'retrtainly government, different then on socialism for you? �*you're talkinggovernment, different then on socialism for you? �*you're talking about ment, when you're talking about other aswennents— when you're talking about other governments-the- when you're talking about other governments the world, governments around the world, ttte— governments around the world, like-wouldn't- governments around the world, like wouldn't count like i said, i wouldn't count anv— like i said, i wouldn't count any at— like i said, i wouldn't count any at tnen— like i said, i wouldn't count any of them as— like i said, i wouldn't count any of them as socialist. but we tttnt— any of them as socialist. but we tttnt tnat— any of them as socialist. but we tttnt that an— any of them as socialist. but we think that on basis again, think that on the basis again, it's about about it's not about about nationalising the banks industries democratic industries under the democratic control of working people who run industries every day. run these industries every day. the billions and billions. wets— the billions and billions. . we-te—ntanet we're the fifth richest planet on economy on the planet. on the economy on the planet. sorry. there is absolutely no excuse can't provide sorry. there is absolutely no- excuse _can't provide paid excuse why we can't provide paid a tesent— excuse why we can't provide paid a decent standard— excuse why we can't provide paid a decent standard of living and answe— a decent standard of living and above inflation,— a decent standard of living and above inflation, pay rise for even— above inflation, pay rise for even wanent— above inflation, pay rise for every worker in— above inflation, pay rise for every worker in this country. i tntnt— every worker in this country. i tttnt tte— every worker in this country. i think the overall— every worker in this country. i think the overall level- every worker in this country. i think the overall level of- think the overall level of wealth that the billionaires in

the uk currently control is 653 billion. that's gone up 1,000% tne— billion. that's gone up 1,000% tne tast— billion. that's gone up 1,000% over the last three _ ll lift" that's gone up 1,000% over the last three decades. tts— over the last three decades. it's estimated _ over the last three decades. it's estimated by— over the last three decades. it's estimated by the- over the last three decades. it's estimated by the ocr that it would cost it would cost £18 billion to provide an above inflation pay rise. the question and the problem is who controls that wealth? who controls that wealth? the rich. we say we should control it and plan it. i don't know what plan it is aet— i don't know what plan it is ate a— i don't know what plan it is now. a&e a lot— i don't know what plan it is now. a&e a lot of- i don't know what plan it is now. �*zs�*t i don't know what plan it is now. it :f: now. a&e a lot of decades of private ization, austerity and cuts, he thinks more of cuts, and he thinks more of that's the solution. okay , well, that's the solution. okay, well, lindy, that's the solution. okay, well, ttntw neat— that's the solution. okay, well, ttntw-gat ta— that's the solution. okay, well, lindy, - got to come - that's the solution. okay, well, lindy,-got to come back- lindy, i'm got to come back to wan.— lindy, i'm got to come back to waw- — lindy, i'm got to come back to waw- tn— lindy, i'm got to come back to was tn going— lindy, i'm got to come back to was tn gotng ta— lindy, i'm got to come back to you. i'm going to let- lindy, i'm got to come back to you. gt} 9 you. i'm going to let you come back this, because, look, back on this, because, look, when lot of when we are hearing a lot of doom figures out doom mongering figures out there, first time, there, not for the first time, interest the interest rates going up for the 12th row, etcetera. 12th time in a row, etcetera. there might be people out there who think, you know i'm who think, you know what, i'm actually of this and actually had enough of this and some there some of what theo says there sounds attractive. sounds quite attractive. a&e yes. is the yes. what theo is doing is the old of it's never real old canard of it's never real socialism, despite all the real world socialism world evidence of socialism failingit's really being tried where it's really being tried and evidence and all the evidence of capitalism working. everyone right now . right.— 9 everyone right now . right. utopian notion right now. right. utopian notion tnat— right now. right. utopian notion tnat-san— right now. right. utopian notion that can democratically that you can democratically sewe— that you can democratically

sews-tntngs- that you can democratically seize-things ,- that you can democratically seize _things , ini seize control of things, in atten— seize control of things, in other-steal- seize control of things, in other steal them and other words, steal them and saneawn— other words, steal them and somehow this— other words, steal them and somehow this will end up better. we somehow this will end up better. we-naw— somehow this will end up better. we-naw tnat— somehow this will end up better. we-how that-look,l we know how that works. look, it's zimbabwe— we know how that works. look, it's zimbabwe seizure of we know how that works. look, it's zfrom bwe seizure of we know how that works. look, it's zfrom people seizure of we know how that works. look, it's zfrom people which eizure of we know how that works. look, it's zfrom people which endedof we know how that works. look, it's zfrom people which ended up land from people which ended up sawstng— land from people which ended up causing-starvation- land from people which ended up causing starvation in causing mass starvation in ntases— causing mass starvation in ntases ant— causing mass starvation in places and people killed . places and people being killed. it's places and people being killed. as an— places and people being killed. it's an absolute— places and people being killed. it's an absolute joke. i mean, tne— it's an absolute joke. i mean, tne tntng— it's an absolute joke. i mean, the thing that— it's an absolute joke. i mean, the thing that you asked about wnetner— the thing that you asked about wnetnen an— the thing that you asked about whether or not— the thing that you asked about whether or not we can deal with tntngs— whether or not we can deal with tntnas ttte— whether or not we can deal with things like inequality , the things like inequality, the answer is yes.— things like inequality, the answer is yes. i mean, if you nave— answer is yes. i mean, if you nave nsnen— answer is yes. i mean, if you have richer societies, you can get— have richer societies, you can get redistribution— have richer societies, you can get redistribution happening tastes— get redistribution happening faster because— get redistribution happening faster because one of the ttwtents— faster because one of the dividends of— faster because one of the dividends of a- faster because one of the dividends of a prosperous sastetw— dividends of a prosperous sastetw ts— dividends of a prosperous society is that— dividends of a prosperous society is that you create tntngs— society is that you create tntnas ttte— society is that you create things like a— society is that you create things like a welfare system . things like a welfare system. taw— things like a welfare system. tan taat— things like a welfare system. you look after— things like a welfare system. you look after people who are wwtnenatte— you look after people who are vulnerable and— you look after people who are vulnerable and need our help. taw— vulnerable and need our help. tan san-t— vulnerable and need our help. tan san-t ta— vulnerable and need our help. you can't do that— vulnerable and need our help. you can't do that in a system tnat-s— you can't do that in a system was nanew— you can't do that in a system that's purely focussed the that's purely focussed on the redistribution— that's purely focussed on the redistribution you redistribution of what you atneatw— redistribution of what you already _you- redistribution of what you already you don't already have. you don't get nsnen—tawl already have. you don't get- richer_you don't richer in that system. you don't tnwent— richer in that system. you don't tnwent-stwtt. — richer in that system. you don't invent-stuff.-don't- invent new stuff. you don't astwattw— invent new stuff. you don't astwattw-tne- invent new stuff. you don't actually the fundamental actually tackle the fundamental and_causes of- actually tackle the fundamental and causes of poverty and underlying causes of poverty and underlying causes of poverty ant tnat-s— and underlying causes of poverty ant tnat-s-tt— and underlying causes of poverty and that's-it is— and underlying causes of poverty and that's-it is that- and underlying causes of poverty and that's it is that the and that's why it is that the santtattst— and that's why it is that the capitalist-is- and that's why it is that the capitalist is much capitalist west is so much better— capitalist west is so much better at— capitalist west is so much better at taking care of the naan— better at taking care of the poor,-disabled,- better at taking care of the poor, disabled, the poor, the disabled, the vulnerable _ poor, the disabled, the vulnerable people who are sattenne— vulnerable people who are suffering-jesus- vulnerable people who are suffering jesus in their suffering with jesus in their ttwes. — suffering with jesus in their ttwes. san— suffering with jesus in their ttwes. can .— suffering with jesus in their lives. can i just- suffering with jesus in their lives. ca" lives. can i just answer that point? working class. just be very quick. thank. thank you, patrick. class patrick. working class and middle have been middle class people have been robbed for years and decades by

the that's why at the the rich. that's why at the start this discussion i said start of this discussion i said about profits. about the record profits. people afford to heat people can't afford to heat tnstt— people can't afford to heat their homes— people can't afford to heat their homes or— people can't afford to heat their homes or feed their sntttnen— their homes or feed their children-now.- their homes or feed their children now. ' t: their homes or feed their children-nowiand man children right now. and this man defends children right now. and this mani defends-system. meanwhile, defends that system. meanwhile, those defends that system. meanwhile, tnase—nattng - those companies are making nesatt— those companies are making. tesant—swsten record profits. is that a system that's working? all right. does that's working? all right. does that work for people? i think i think in defence,— that work for people? i think i think in defence, i— , i think i think in defence, i haven't got tne— think in defence, i haven't got ttnelta— think in defence, i haven't got ttnelta-ta— think in defence, i haven't got time-go-to a&e- think in defence, i haven't got time go to a&e on this, time to go back to a&e on this, ttt— time to go back to a&e on this, tttltntnt— time to go back to a&e on this, butithinleefence- time to go back to a&e on this, but think defence probably but i think in defence probably wnat— but i think in defence probably wnat ne— but i think in defence probably wnat ne was— but i think in defence probably what he was saying is it would nnatattw— what he was saying is it would nnatattw-te- what he was saying is it would probably be worse under what he was saying is it would prob.kind be worse under what he was saying is it would prob.kind ideology./orse under what he was saying is it would prob.kind ideology./orsetheretr your kind of ideology. but there we-taat— your kind of ideology. but there we-taat tatt- your kind of ideology. but there we-look both of- your kind of ideology. but there we look both of you, we go. right. look both of you, tnant— we go. right. look both of you, want-wen,— we go. right. look both of you, thank-very,-much.- we go. right. look both of you, thank very, much. this thank you very, very much. this is thank you very, very much. this ts a— thank you very, very much. this ts a sntntet— thank you very, very much. this is a spirited debate and we'll nave— is a spirited debate and we'll nave-tnts— is a spirited debate and we'll have-this again- is a spirited debate and we'll have this again soon. so have to do this again soon. so tnant— have to do this again soon. so tnant-antw— have to do this again soon. so thank-andy-thel thank you, andy mayer. the tnstttnte— thank you, andy mayer. thei institute _affairs institute of economic affairs ant— institute of economic affairs ant-snat— institute of economic affairs and _sharif, who - institute of economic affairs and sharif, who is the and theo sharif, who is the nattanat— national organiser of young sastattsts. — national organiser of young sast ta sts.— national organiser of young soci to sts. loff _ national organiser of young soci to sts. off the five way to kicks off the five that wasnt— way to kicks off the five that wasn't there. _ way to kicks off the five that wasn't there. .the - way to kicks off the five that wasn't there. the problem is wasn't there. now the problem is tantte—nas- wasn't there. now the problem is bonfire—has been- bonfire of eu laws has been extinguished— bonfire of eu laws has been extinguished and brexiteer mps are absolutely furious as indeed no are absolutely furious as indeed na—at- are absolutely furious as indeed na—at wat- are absolutely furious as indeed na—at wan stl no doubt are many of you gb vtews— no doubt are many of you gb vtews at— no doubt are many of you gb views of.news_ no doubt are many of you gb views of news .uk. have views of gb news .uk. but have tnst— views of gb news .uk. but have tnew-tawn— views of gb news .uk. but have tnew-tawn tw- views of gb news .uk. but have they-down by woke- they been let down by woke snawttate— they been let down by woke snowflake lazy— they been let down by woke snowflake lazy remainer, civil servants— snowflake lazy remainer, civil servants,.things- snowflake lazy remainer, civil servants, things the servants, all things that the neat— servants, all things that the head _service. head of the civil service union nas— head of the civil service union nas astet— head of the civil service union nas astet ts— head of the civil service union has asked us not— head of the civil service union has asked us not to call the swt— has asked us not to call the civil service.— has asked us not to call the civil service. i'm— has asked us not to call the civil service. i'm patrick snnstws— civil service. i'm patrick christys we christys on gb news and we are tntatn-s— christys on gb news and we are britain's news—

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yes by the way, news radio. - yes by the way, just news radio. _ yes by the way, just very tntsttw — yes by the way, just very tntsttw tn— “tit; by the way, just very quickly, i'm about to give you a big quickly, i'm about to give you a ttt wntate— quickly, i'm about to give you a ttt wntate an— quickly, i'm about to give you a big update on our— quickly, i'm about to give you a big update on our fundraiser for tanstnt— big update on our fundraiser for me, dancing with— big update on our fundraiser for me, dancing with the dream boys to me, dancing with the dream boys ta natse— me, dancing with the dream boys ta tat— me, dancing with the dream boys to raise for money— me, dancing with the dream boys to raise for money the charity tttnt— to raise for money the charity tttnt ant— to raise for money the charity tttnt ant wat— to raise for money the charity mind and you can donate to that. tnst— mind and you can donate to that. just giving.com/fundraising, tanwant— just giving.com/fundraising, forward challenge forward slash challenge christie's— forward slash challenge christie's some i'm christie's some big news i'm going— christie's some big news i'm tatntltnnt— christie's some big news i'm tatntltnnt ta— christie's some big news i'm going bring to you on that going to bring to you on that wew— going to bring to you on that wen tanttt— going to bring to you on that very shortly. but— going to bring to you on that very shortly. but to some antwattw— very shortly. but to some arguably important very shortly. but to some- arguably-important national arguably more important national news-westettaw— arguably more important national news-yesterday it- arguably more important national news yesterday it emerged news now, yesterday it emerged tnat— news now, yesterday it emerged tnat tnere— news now, yesterday it emerged that there was— news now, yesterday it emerged that there was going to be no tanne— that there was going to be no tantte at— that there was going to be no bonfire of.laws.- that there was going to be no bonfire of laws. the backlash bonfire of eu laws. the backlash to bonfire of eu laws. the backlash ta tne— bonfire of eu laws. the backlash to the government's decision not to the government's decision not ta ssnan— to the government's decision not to scrap thousands— to the government's decision not to scrap thousands of eu laws by the to scrap thousands of eu laws by tne-tnts— to scrap thousands of eu laws by tne-tnts weat— to scrap thousands of eu laws by the _this year- been. the end of this year has been netw— the end of this year has been pretty-ttsnt - the end of this year has been pretty rishi sunak has pretty vast and rishi sunak has come under fire.— pretty vast and rishi sunak has come under fire. but kemi tatenasn— come under fire. but kemi badenoch today trying take badenoch today trying to take the badenoch today trying to take tne-ntn — badenoch today trying to take tne-ntn at- badenoch today trying to take the-him at in- badenoch today trying to take the-him at in the- badenoch today trying to take the him at in the house the heat off him at in the house of the heat off him at in the house at sannnans— the heat off him at in the house of commons. before she made an atntsstan— of commons. before she made an admission, though,— of commons. before she made an admission, though, that badenoch was admission, though, that badenoch tetentet— admission, though, that badenoch tetttet tw— admission, though, that badenoch was rebuked by the speaker of the was rebuked by the speaker of tne tase— was rebuked by the speaker of the house, sir— was rebuked by the speaker of the house, sir lindsay hoyle, ont— the house, sir lindsay hoyle, ont tetan— the house, sir lindsay hoyle, obe began the— the house, sir lindsay hoyle, obe began the urgent question , obe began the urgent question, and obe began the urgent question, ant .— obe began the urgent question, ant . nate— obe began the urgent question, ant . nate-tt— obe began the urgent question, and i note-it is— obe began the urgent question, and i note it is highly and i note that it is highly regrettatte— and i note that it is highly regrettable that the government testtet— regrettable that the government testtet nat— regrettable that the government decided not to— regrettable that the government decided not to offer an oral statement— decided not to offer an oral statement on— decided not to offer an oral statement on this matter westentaw— statement on this matter westentaw ,— statement on this matter yesterday , given the importance

yesterday, given the importance of yesterday, given the importance at tnts— yesterday, given the importance of this announcement on such matters— of this announcement on such matters tutt— of this announcement on such matters, full engagement with tattanent— matters, full engagement with parliament and— matters, full engagement with parliament and its committees is essenttat. — parliament and its committees is essential. before— parliament and its committees is essential. before i— parliament and its committees is essential. at essential. before i call the chair, i will remind the government that we are elected to hear it first, not to read it in the telegraph and certainly not a w mess is satisfactory on such an important matter . hence such an important matter. hence that i would always say i am now going to call the chair of the european scrutiny committee to ask the urgent question . sir ask the urgent question. sir william cash yes , mr speaker. william cash yes, mr speaker. william cash yes, mr speaker. will the secretary of state ll 1“ 411? will the secretary of state make a statement— will the secretary of state make a statement regarding the ttesttan— a statement regarding the twesttan at— a statement regarding the question of her failure to come to question of her failure to come ta tne— question of her failure to come ta tne nause— question of her failure to come to the house before she made the wntten— to the house before she made the written ministerial— to the house before she made the written ministerial statement ant— written ministerial statement ant tne— written ministerial statement ant tne tress— written ministerial statement and the press article today in tne— and the press article today in tne tatt— and the press article today in the daily telegraph ? the daily telegraph? thank you. mr the daily telegraph? thank you. ttt tnant— the daily telegraph? thank you. mr thank you, mr speaker. i'm very sorry that the sequencing that we chose was not to your satisfaction . when i was . satisfaction. when i was. order! order! order order! that

is order! order! order order! that ts tatattw— order! order! order order! that ts tatattw nat— order! order! order order! that is totally not acceptable . not is totally not acceptable. not tne— is totally not acceptable. not tne tttnt— is totally not acceptable. not the right procedure . ' ”iii: the right procedure. are you tatttnt— the right procedure. are you tatttnt ta— the right procedure. are you talking to who do you think you're speaking to? secretary of state. i you're speaking to? secretary of state. . tan-t— you're speaking to? secretary of state. i don't want.— you're speaking to? secretary of state. i don't want. i— g t1::t7 secretary of state. i don't want. i think we neet— state. i don't want. i think we neet ta— state. i don't want. i think we need to understand each other. i am need to understand each other. i an tne— need to understand each other. i am the defender— need to understand each other. i am the defender of— need to understand each other. i am the defender of this house ant— am the defender of this house ant tnese— am the defender of this house and these benches on both sides. i and these benches on both sides. . an— and these benches on both sides. . an nat— and these benches on both sides. t an nat tant— and these benches on both sides. t an nat tatnt ta— and these benches on both sides. i am not going to be spoken to by a— i am not going to be spoken to tw a sesnetaw— i am not going to be spoken to by a secretary of— i am not going to be spoken to by a secretary of state who is atsatttetw— by a secretary of state who is absolutely not— by a secretary of state who is absolutely not accepting my tttnt— absolutely not accepting my tttnt .— absolutely not accepting my tttnt . tate— absolutely not accepting my ruling . take it— absolutely not accepting my ruling . take it with good grace ruling. take it with good grace ant— ruling. take it with good grace ant assent— ruling. take it with good grace ant assent tt— ruling. take it with good grace and accept it. that members snattt— and accept it. that members snattt neat— and accept it. that members should hear it— and accept it. that members should hear it first, not a mess or should hear it first, not a mess an wnat— should hear it first, not a mess an wnat wat— should hear it first, not a mess or what you decide _ should hear it first, not a mess or what you decide . and these or what you decide. and these rnernets— or what you decide. and these members have— or what you decide. and these members have been elected by tner— members have been elected by their constituents— members have been elected by their constituents and they have their constituents and they have tne nttt— their constituents and they have tne tttnt ta— their constituents and they have the right to hear— their constituents and they have the right to hear it— their constituents and they have the right to hear it first. and it the right to hear it first. and tt ts— the right to hear it first. and tt ts tne— the right to hear it first. and it is time this— the right to hear it first. and it is time this government resatntset— it is time this government recognised we're all elected, att— recognised we're all elected, we're all members of parliament and we're all members of parliament ant tset— we're all members of parliament ant tset tne— we're all members of parliament and used the correct manners . and used the correct manners. sesretaw— and used the correct manners. sesretarw at— and used the correct manners. secretary of state— and used the correct manners. secretary of state . 3 g ”tri;1i; secretary of state. right. there we go. so our civil servant . so we go. so our civil servant. so actually to blame for this government u—turn, are they all just woke snowflakey remain the lazy people and those words by the way, i'm using them because the way, i'm using them because the head of the civil service union is today urged people to

not call the civil service. joining us now is gb news is presenter grimes. darren presenter darren grimes. darren is the civil service blame is the civil service to blame for of a bonfire eu for this lack of a bonfire of eu rules regs. look, for this lack of a bonfire of eu rules regs . look, patrick, i rules and regs. look, patrick, i mean, sir, lindsay— rit�*r: ”rings look, patrick, i mean, sir, lindsay hoyle needs a eaat— mean, sir, lindsay hoyle needs a taat sun— mean, sir, lindsay hoyle needs a taat sun at— mean, sir, lindsay hoyle needs a good cup of coffee. i think after— good cup of coffee. i think after that rant, doesn't he? but honestly, i hate to be a negative nelly, right? as you know, patrick, i'm g willy q7 as you know, patrick, i'm normally a tttstentnt— know, patrick, i'm normally a tttstentnt raw— know, patrick, i'm normally a glistening ray of— know, patrick, i'm normally a glistening ray of naughty sunsntne— glistening ray of naughty sunsntne ,— glistening ray of naughty sunshine , but- glistening ray of naughty sunshine , but honestly, i reckon sunshine, but honestly, i reckon tnere-s— sunshine, but honestly, i reckon tnere-s a— sunshine, but honestly, i reckon tnere-s a tat— sunshine, but honestly, i reckon there's a lot to— sunshine, but honestly, i reckon there's a lot to answer for tens — there's a lot to answer for tens ant— there's a lot to answer for here. and kemi- there's a lot to answer for here. 1 there's a lot to answer for- here. and kemi badenoch isn't exclusive to blame. i do think you know, jacob rees—mogg of this parish has been saying time and again that whenever he's tried to put through stuff through the civil service , there through the civil service, there has been great amount of pushback. has been great amount of pushback . but i don't pushback. but i don't exclusively blame the civil service here. patrick because i actually reckon that , you know, actually reckon that, you know, between rishi sunak and sir keir starmer, they really are proven to be two cheeks of the same behind , frankly. and i can see, behind, frankly. and i can see, i can behind, frankly. and i can see, r see— behind, frankly. and i can see, r wnt— behind, frankly. and i can see, i can see why people- behind, frankly. and i can see, i can see why people in- 1r: and i can see, i can see why people in my patch ant— i can see why people in my patch ant atners— i can see why people in my patch and others are— i can see why people in my patch and others are starting to lose

tattn— and others are starting to lose tattn tn— and others are starting to lose tattn tn tne— and others are starting to lose faith in the tories— and others are starting to lose faith in the tories , right? faith in the tories, right? taxes— faith in the tories, right? taxes are the— faith in the tories, right? taxes are the highest- faith in the tories, right? taxes are the highest that they've been since world war two. our energy prices . you've two. our energy prices. you've just been talking about them. they look like they're being suppued they look like they're being supplied by harrods. and of course, you can't see any opportunities of brexit being exploited whatsoever . but it's exploited whatsoever. but it's not all down to the civil service because, you know, i'm not the late and great mr meg, but mark my words, if the architect of labour's second referendum campaign in sir keir starmer , if he gets into power , starmer, if he gets into power, it'll likely be as a minority government with him relying on support of either the lib dems or the snp . sorry to terrify all or the snp. sorry to terrify all of your viewers, patrick, but if that happens , you can kiss that happens, you can kiss goodbye to brexit altogether . goodbye to brexit altogether. civil service onside or not, taesn-t— civil service onside or not, doesn't this— civil service onside or not, doesn't this just- civil service onside or not, doesn't this just show how deep tnattn— doesn't this just show how deep tnattn tne— doesn't this just show how deep though the lack— doesn't this just show how deep though the lack of— doesn't this just show how deep though the lack of post—brexit entan— though the lack of post—brexit britain vision— though the lack of post—brexit britain vision it— though the lack of post—brexit britain vision it runs ? i britain vision it runs? because tnere— britain vision it runs? because there steartw— britain vision it runs? because there clearly is this idea that we would be totally lost without

some eu rules and regs about bendy bananas. absolutely hoover filter you can have and all of this . and i just find that this. and i just find that utterly startling from, you know, the country that created the cracked the enigma the man who cracked the enigma code yeah exactly. the idea code. yeah exactly. the idea that code. yeah exactly. the idea tnat we— code. yeah exactly. the idea that we need— code. yeah exactly. the idea that we need some- i: t/riuit 1�* cape“; the idea that we need some sclerotic tttreasrasw— that we need some sclerotic bureaucracy holding our hand to tell bureaucracy holding our hand to tett ts— bureaucracy holding our hand to tett ts taw— bureaucracy holding our hand to tell us how to— bureaucracy holding our hand to tell us how to govern ourselves. rts— tell us how to govern ourselves. rt-s nattetts— tell us how to govern ourselves. it's pathetic, frankly. you know , retwtataw— it's pathetic, frankly. you know , regulatory independence and sawerettntw— , regulatory independence and sovereignty, national sovereignty- sovereignty, national sovereignty , they were the big sovereignty, they were the big nrtzes— sovereignty, they were the big nnzes at— sovereignty, they were the big prizes of brexit. _ sovereignty, they were the big prizes of brexit. but, patrick, by by— prizes of brexit. but, patrick, by by nat— prizes of brexit. but, patrick, by by not making anything of ttat— by by not making anything of tnat, we— by by not making anything of that, we make— by by not making anything of that, we make it— by by not making anything of that, we make it easy for the at— that, we make it easy for the enemies of brexit. and there are ntentw— enemies of brexit. and there are ntentw at— enemies of brexit. and there are ntentw at ten.— enemies of brexit. and there are plenty of them. you know, i watttn-t— plenty of them. you know, i wouldn't receive _ plenty of them. you know, i wouldn't receive this kind of neartnt— wouldn't receive this kind of neartnt an— wouldn't receive this kind of hearing on other— wouldn't receive this kind of hearing on other broad casters tnat— hearing on other broad casters tnat r— hearing on other broad casters tnat r sawt— hearing on other broad casters that i could mention but don't want— that i could mention but don't want ta— that i could mention but don't want to dampen— that i could mention but don't want to dampen people's days. tat— want to dampen people's days. tat tnaw— want to dampen people's days. tat tnaw, tt— want to dampen people's days. you know, it makes it all not want— you know, it makes it all not want a. — you know, it makes it all not want a. ant— you know, it makes it all not worth a. and people have fought tant— worth a. and people have fought tant ant— worth a. and people have fought tang ant tart— worth a. and people have fought long and hard for— worth a. and people have fought long and hard for brexit. you tnaw— long and hard for brexit. you tnaw, r— long and hard for brexit. you know, i should— long and hard for brexit. you know, i should know thing know, i should know a thing or twa— know, i should know a thing or twa atatt— know, i should know a thing or two about that— know, i should know a thing or two about that particular issue. but two about that particular issue. ttt ttsnt — two about that particular issue. ttt ttsnt ts— two about that particular issue. but rishi is making it easy for neatte— but rishi is making it easy for neante. ratnst— but rishi is making it easy for people. patrick he's making it easy— people. patrick he's making it easwltnese— people. patrick he's making it easy these people to warn easy for these people to warn reverse brexit _ easy for these people to warn reverse brexit and, and you tnaw— reverse brexit and, and you know, we've heard a lot of

tantare— know, we've heard a lot of fanfare from _ know, we've heard a lot of fanfare from him about how his wartnern— fanfare from him about how his northern ireland— fanfare from him about how his northern ireland renegotiation , northern ireland renegotiation, this so—called_ northern ireland renegotiation, this so—called windsor framework likew— this so—called windsor framework tne, wett— this so—called windsor framework tne, wett tt— this so—called windsor framework like, well if this— this so—called windsor framework like, well if this framework it asttattw— like, well if this framework it actually means— like, well if this framework it actually means in practise that treat— actually means in practise that treat trttatn— actually means in practise that great britain, far— actually means in practise that great britain, far from being atte— great britain, far from being atte ta— great britain, far from being able to have— great britain, far from being able to have a— great britain, far from being able to have a bonfire of eu taws— able to have a bonfire of eu taws ,— able to have a bonfire of eu taws , tt— able to have a bonfire of eu laws , it means— able to have a bonfire of eu laws , it means if- able to have a bonfire of eu laws , it means if we do go ahead laws, it means if we do go ahead wttt— laws, it means if we do go ahead wttn ttat— laws, it means if we do go ahead with that, well,— laws, it means if we do go ahead with that, well, guess what? we ent— with that, well, guess what? we ent tn— with that, well, guess what? we ent wn ttwerttnt— with that, well, guess what? we end up diverging away from a part— end up diverging away from a part at— end up diverging away from a part at tne— end up diverging away from a part of the united kingdom. we end part of the united kingdom. we ent tn— part of the united kingdom. we ent wn ttwerttnt— part of the united kingdom. we end up diverging away from wartnern— end up diverging away from northern ireland, which is ettesttwetw— northern ireland, which is effectively still subject to many— effectively still subject to many tu— effectively still subject to many eu rules- effectively still subject to many eu rules and the eu commission.— many eu rules and the eu commission. so- many eu rules and the eu commission. so essentially, tatrtst— commission. so essentially, patrick, we've— commission. so essentially, patrick, we've still got ursula ter— patrick, we've still got ursula ter teten— patrick, we've still got ursula von der leyen, halden rishi stnat— von der leyen, halden rishi stnat tant— von der leyen, halden rishi sunak hand and saying, yeah, wett— sunak hand and saying, yeah, wett wat— sunak hand and saying, yeah, wett you san— sunak hand and saying, yeah, well you can have that law, not tnat— well you can have that law, not tnat taw— well you can have that law, not that law. maybe— well you can have that law, not that law. maybe this one yet wett— that law. maybe this one yet we-tt tttnt— that law. maybe this one yet we'll think about this one and it's we'll think about this one and tt-s tssene — we'll think about this one and it's obscene. it's— we'll think about this one and it's obscene. it's absurd, but it's obscene. it's absurd, but t was— it's obscene. it's absurd, but tt neen— it's obscene. it's absurd, but it was never sold— it's obscene. it's absurd, but it was never sold like that. but tnts— it was never sold like that. but tnts ts— it was never sold like that. but tnts ts wnat-s— it was never sold like that. but this is what's happening. we san-t— this is what's happening. we can't exclusively— this is what's happening. we can't exclusively blame civil servants.— can't exclusively blame civil servants. this— can't exclusively blame civil servants. this is— can't exclusively blame civil servants. this is where i stttnttw— servants. this is where i slightly disagree with the great jacob— slightly disagree with the great jacob rees—mogg on this. we san-t— jacob rees—mogg on this. we san-t taw— jacob rees—mogg on this. we san-t tat tt— jacob rees—mogg on this. we can't lay it all— jacob rees—mogg on this. we can't lay it all at— jacob rees—mogg on this. we can't lay it all at their door tesase— can't lay it all at their door because what— can't lay it all at their door because what rishi sunak has sttnet— because what rishi sunak has sttnet ts— because what rishi sunak has sttnet us up— because what rishi sunak has

sttnet us up ta— because what rishi sunak has signed us up to as a country tnat— signed us up to as a country means that you— signed us up to as a country means that you know, a hairdresser— means that you know, a hairdresser in- means that you know, a hairdresser in birmingham has to tattaw— hairdresser in birmingham has to tattaw tne— hairdresser in birmingham has to follow the same— hairdresser in birmingham has to follow the same rules as a hairdresser— follow the same rules as a hairdresser in— follow the same rules as a hairdresser in brussels. follow the same rules as a hairdresser in brussels . and i hairdresser in brussels. and i tan-t— hairdresser in brussels. and i don't understand— hairdresser in brussels. and i don't understand why we can't nate— don't understand why we can't nate tntngs— don't understand why we can't make things work— don't understand why we can't make things work for our own tanestts— make things work for our own domestic economy. for fear of trrstta— domestic economy. for fear of trrstta an— domestic economy. for fear of ursula von der— domestic economy. for fear of ursula von der leyen erect in tatter— ursula von der leyen erect in some border with— ursula von der leyen erect in some border with the in the tstant— some border with the in the tstant at— some border with the in the island of ireland. it just watttn-t— island of ireland. it just wouldn't happen. she won't do. tatrtst— wouldn't happen. she won't do. patrick would— wouldn't happen. she won't do. patrick would she?— wouldn't happen. she won't do. patrick would she? absolutely has not got the bottle to do ehhen has not got the bottle to do either. look, darren, thank you very much as ever. and as you can there, he's can see behind him there, he's got five written got the saturday five written there. is a show to light there. that is a show to light up your saturday what up your saturday evenings. what time darren? it's on at time is it on darren? it's on at 8:00 every saturday. patrick sanettnes— 8:oo every saturday. patrick sometimes with— 8:oo every saturday. patrick sometimes with you- 8 00 ”g can patrick sometimes with you on it as wet. — sometimes with you on it as wet. ttst— sometimes with you on it as well. just very— sometimes with you on it as well. if well. just very occasional when you're the bottom of you're scraping the bottom of the right. darren the barrel. that's right. darren grimes thank very, grimes there, thank you very, very . news. presenter very much. gb news. presenter right, still to come right, loads more still to come between is said between now and 6:00. it is said , it said the cost of , it is said that the cost of bods , it is said that the cost of boris lawyers the boris johnson's lawyers for the partygate inquiry are almost half £1 million. should the former prime minister or the taxpayers foot the bill? i've got a debate on this very shortly. what do you think? is

it right that the taxpayers paying it right that the taxpayers paying boris johnson's legal bill? but first, it's your headunes bill? but first, it's your headlines with polly . patrick headlines with polly. patrick thank you. the top stories thank you. the topystories this thank you. the top stories this naw. — thank you. the top stories this naw. tne— thank you. the top stories this hour. the chancellor says the tant— hour. the chancellor says the tant at— hour. the chancellor says the bank of england's latest tnterest— bank of england's latest interest rate _ bank of england's latest interest rate rise will prove snattenttnt— interest rate rise will prove challenging for— interest rate rise will prove challenging for families with narttates— challenging for families with narttates .— challenging for families with narttates. tts— challenging for families with mortgages. his comments came arter— mortgages. his comments came atter tne— mortgages. his comments came atter tne ttt-s— mortgages. his comments came after the uk's central bank ratset— after the uk's central bank raised rates— after the uk's central bank raised rates for— after the uk's central bank raised rates for the 12th time in raised rates for the 12th time tn a— raised rates for the 12th time tn a tn— raised rates for the 12th time tn a n a— raised rates for the 12th time in a row. in a further attempt to in a row. in a further attempt ta tastte— in a row. in a further attempt to tackle soaring— in a row. in a further attempt to tackle soaring inflation. the tant-s— to tackle soaring inflation. the tant-s tase— to tackle soaring inflation. the bank's base rate— to tackle soaring inflation. the bank's base rate has increased by a— bank's base rate has increased by a quarter— bank's base rate has increased by a quarter at— bank's base rate has increased by a quarter at a— bank's base rate has increased by a quarter of a percentage natnt— by a quarter of a percentage natnt ,— by a quarter of a percentage natnt , trarn — by a quarter of a percentage point , from 4.25— by a quarter of a percentage point , from 4.25 to 4.5. that's point, from 4.25 to 4.5. that's tne— point, from 4.25 to 4.5. that's tne ntgnest— point, from 4.25 to 4.5. that's the highest level— point, from 4.25 to 4.5. that's the highest level in 15 years. jeremy— the highest level in 15 years. jeremy ttnt— the highest level in 15 years. jeremy hunt says the measures wtt— jeremy hunt says the measures wtt tetn— jeremy hunt says the measures will help families— jeremy hunt says the measures will help families in the long run , although— will help families in the long run , although it's obviously run, although it's obviously eaat— run, although it's obviously taat news— run, although it's obviously good news, the— run, although it's obviously good news, the bank is not now nrettsttnt— good news, the bank is not now nrettsttnt a— good news, the bank is not now predicting a recession in this wear. — predicting a recession in this year. rts— predicting a recession in this year- rt-s wew— predicting a recession in this year. d 1g year. it's very challenging for families with mortgages to see interest rates go up, but unless we tackle rising prices, the cost of living crisis will just continue . and that's why it is

continue. and that's why it is essential we stick to our plan to halve inflation action. and if we do that, we can bring certainty back to family finances. the certainty back to family finances . the uk has confirmed finances. the uk has confirmed it's finances. the uk has confirmed tt-s swnntwtnt— finances. the uk has confirmed it's supplying ukraine- �*" i the uk has confirmed it's supplying ukraine with tang—rante— it's supplying ukraine with long—range missiles it requested for long—range missiles it requested tar tts— long—range missiles it requested tar tts tttnt— long—range missiles it requested for its fight against russia tetense— for its fight against russia defence secretary ben wallace nas— defence secretary ben wallace nas tatt— defence secretary ben wallace nas tatt ttts— defence secretary ben wallace has told mps the— defence secretary ben wallace has told mps the donation of the stan— has told mps the donation of the starn snataw— has told mps the donation of the storm shadow missiles gives trtratne— storm shadow missiles gives trtratne tne— storm shadow missiles gives ukraine the best— storm shadow missiles gives ukraine the best chance to tetent— ukraine the best chance to defend themselves . the decision defend themselves. the decision tattaws— defend themselves. the decision follows kiev's— defend themselves. the decision follows kiev's repeated pleas for follows kiev's repeated pleas tar snare— follows kiev's repeated pleas for more weapons from the west ant— for more weapons from the west and pakistan's— for more weapons from the west and pakistan's supreme court has arteret— and pakistan's supreme court has arteret tne— and pakistan's supreme court has ordered the release— and pakistan's supreme court has ordered the release of the tanner— ordered the release of the former prime— ordered the release of the former prime minister imran tnan— former prime minister imran tnan sawtnt— former prime minister imran khan, saying his arrest was ttetat— khan, saying his arrest was ttetat. atr— khan, saying his arrest was illegal. mr khan was arrested on ttestaw— illegal. mr khan was arrested on twestaw by— illegal. mr khan was arrested on tuesday by paramilitary officers in tuesday by paramilitary officers tn nat— tuesday by paramilitary officers tn rtat tear— tuesday by paramilitary officers tn rtat tear tn— tuesday by paramilitary officers in riot gear in courtroom . his in riot gear in courtroom. his arrest— in riot gear in courtroom. his arrest, though,— in riot gear in courtroom. his arrest, though, sparked widespread— arrest, though, sparked widespread protests right across the widespread protests right across tne satntrw— widespread protests right across tne satntw ,— widespread protests right across the country , with— widespread protests right across the country , with more than 1000 the country, with more than 1000 neante— the country, with more than 1000 neante tetng— the country, with more than 1000 people being arrested , forcing people being arrested, forcing the government— people being arrested, forcing the government to call in the ant— the government to call in the any at— the government to call in the army at ane— the government to call in the army at one point to help esaret— army at one point to help restore order— army at one point to help restore order .— army at one point to help restore order . those are the restore order. those are the tatest— restore order. those are the tatest tan— restore order. those are the latest top stories. i'm back in natt— latest top stories. i'm back in natt an— latest top stories. i'm back in natt an taw— latest top stories. i'm back in

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almost half £1 million to cover the cost of boris johnson's legal fees . but do you think legal fees. but do you think it's right that the taxpayer should be paying for bojo's legal fees? he's currently under investigation by mps over whether he misled them over the lockdown parties in downing street. pressure is mounting on him to cover the legal costs himself, so should boris foot his own bill? joining us now are the former labour mp denis macshane and claire pearsall, who is a political commentator and former special adviser, coming at it from two politically slightly different angles . it's always politically slightly different angles. it's always ladies first. so claire, i will start with you. should boris johnson pay with you. should boris johnson pay his own legal fees? yes he absolutely should. i'm not convinced that— absolutely should. i'm not convinced that he- did : i'm not convinced that he actually neetet— convinced that he actually neetet ta— convinced that he actually needed to have- convinced that he actually needed to have representation in the needed to have representation in tne ttst— needed to have representation in the first place. _ needed to have representation in the first place. so— needed to have representation in the first place. : the first place. so why should the first place. so why should the taxpayer have to foot the bill for something that he has chosen to do? i think that it sets a really big precedent for the future. it's not a legal case.it the future. it's not a legal case. it wasn't up in front of a court. it was a committee in the house of commons. so he could have done this all by himself if

he have he wished to have representation, then he could have got out his book and paid for dennis, i will ask for it. okay, dennis, i will ask you— for it. okay, dennis, i will ask you want— for it. okay, dennis, i will ask you your want— for it. okay, dennis, i will ask you your your views- e okay, dennis, i will ask you your your views on this. tents— you your your views on this. denis macshane— you your your views on this. denis macshane oh, dear. tatrtst— denis macshane oh, dear. tatrtst tn— denis macshane oh, dear. patrick i'm going- denis macshane oh, dear. patrick i'm going to- denis macshane oh, dear. patrick i'm going to let- denis macshane oh, dear. patrick i'm going to let the side down. claire is taking every— side down. claire is taking every wart. — side down. claire is taking every word. no,- side down. claire is taking every word. no, it's- r:ri1; : claire is taking every word. \r1i:r e side down. claire is taking every word. no, it's all right. it's all right. because i am now going to have to play a fabulous , stellar effort of devil's advocate and disagree with both of you. but dennis, go on. give us me your views . well, us tell me your views. well, very simply , us tell me your views. well, very simply , it's— us tell me your views. well, very simply , it's not- stir 1 . well, very simply , it's not exactly very simply, it's not exactly a seset — very simply, it's not exactly a seset a— very simply, it's not exactly a secret. a few— very simply, it's not exactly a secret. a few years- very simply, it's not exactly a secret. ' g very simply, it's not exactly a secret. 1 d grit secret. a few years ago, i got in some trouble with the house of commons. i was investigated by the police. they cleared me , by the police. they cleared me, tnen— by the police. they cleared me, tnen went— by the police. they cleared me, tnen went-tn— by the police. they cleared me, then went-up for- eli: they cleared me, then went up for internal then went belly up for internal nattttsat— then went belly up for internal political reasons. _ then went belly up for internal political reasons. “at: political reasons. i had to spent— political reasons. i had to spend my life savings on my defence with lawyers as i find it pretty rum that boris johnson liar in chief investigate by mps not in front of a court could hire somebody called lord panic button or something. who's the richest button or something. who's the rtsnest natt— button or something. who's the richest paid barrister— button or something. who's the richest paid barrister in- 1�* 1g who's the richest paid barrister in the watt— richest paid barrister in the wartt ta— richest paid barrister in the wartt ta tw— richest paid barrister in the world to try and get himself off the world to try and get himself off

tne sawt— world to try and get himself off tne sawt at— world to try and get himself off the court of mps— world to try and get himself off the court of mps public opinion? tnat-s— the court of mps public opinion? was a— the court of mps public opinion? that's a hundred— the court of mps public opinion? that's a hundred thousand free ssnaat— that's a hundred thousand free school meals. _ that's a hundred thousand free school meals. cl" you know school meals. come on. you know wnate— school meals. come on. you know was tat— school meals. come on. you know was tat tnaw— school meals. come on. you know what? you know what, _ school meals. cl" you know what? you know what, claire? he nat— what? you know what, claire? he nat ta— what? you know what, claire? he nat ta nne.— what? you know what, claire? he nat ta ntre. te— what? you know what, claire? he had to hire. he had— what? you know what, claire? he had to hire. he had to hire tetat— had to hire. he had to hire tetat teans— had to hire. he had to hire legal teams because if he inn-t,— legal teams because if he inn-t, tts— legal teams because if he didn't, his reputation would be in didn't, his reputation would be tn atsattte— didn't, his reputation would be in absolute tatters. he would te— in absolute tatters. he would never be able— in absolute tatters. he would never be able to— in absolute tatters. he would never be able to earn a single penny— never be able to earn a single penny atatn— never be able to earn a single penny atatn .— never be able to earn a single penny again . possibly some of penny again. possibly some of the penny again. possibly some of tne tntngs— penny again. possibly some of tne tntnts ne— penny again. possibly some of the things he might have accidentally— the things he might have accidentally admitted to could nave—teen- accidentally admitted to could have been criminal accidentally admitted to could have and been criminal accidentally admitted to could have and retrospectiveninal accidentally admitted to could have and retrospective fines matters and retrospective fines tsstet— matters and retrospective fines tsstet .— matters and retrospective fines tsstet .t— matters and retrospective fines issued .-if.wasn't- matters and retrospective fines issued . if wasn't for issued. and if it wasn't for tnese— issued. and if it wasn't for these horrific— issued. and if it wasn't for these horrific anti boris mps tratttnt— these horrific anti boris mps dragging through the mud , one of dragging through the mud, one of the dragging through the mud, one of tne nast— dragging through the mud, one of the most democratically elected trrne— the most democratically elected prime ministers— the most democratically elected prime ministers that we've ever hadr— prime ministers that we've ever nat, atatn— prime ministers that we've ever nat, atatn ,— prime ministers that we've ever nat, atatn , tne— prime ministers that we've ever had, again , the will of the had, again, the will of the pebbler_ had, again, the will of the neante, tnen — had, again, the will of the people, then we wouldn't have nat— people, then we wouldn't have tat—sa- people, then we wouldn't have tat—sa tne- had this situation. so the taxpayers— had this situation. so the taxpayers should the taxpayers should be paying the ttt. — taxpayers should be paying the ttt. starre— taxpayers should be paying the bill. claire no,— taxpayers should be paying the bill. claire no, absolutely not. i bill. claire no, absolutely not. r sanrtetetw— bill. claire no, absolutely not. i completely disagree- bill. claire no, absolutely not. i completely disagree with- bill. claire no, absolutely not. i completely disagree with you on that. when you look at the register of members interests and you see what boris johnson has in the intervening has made in the intervening months between him leaving the office of prime minister and being a backbencher , it's in the being a backbencher, it's in the realms £5.5 million. if he realms of £5.5 million. if he cannot pay a legal fee of, you know, at the moment it's about a

quarter of a million and going up, it seems every day. and then he shouldn't be doing this job. he have instructed that he could have instructed that himself. and i believe that dominic raab had legal dominic raab also had legal representation, which he paid for by himself. he didn't go to the taxpayer, dennis the taxpayer is paying the wages for every single person who's trying to bring boris down all the way from sue gray right down to yvette why shouldn't we yvette cooper why shouldn't we pay yvette cooper why shouldn't we pay legal fees as well ? we pay his legal fees as well? we should paying the pay his legal fees as well? we should-paying the legal- 1�* g 7 we should paying the legal fees should be paying the legal fees at at. — should be paying the legal fees at at. tnr— should be paying the legal fees at at. tn wen— should be paying the legal fees at all. : should be paying the legal fees at all. trig : and at all. i'm very surprised. and i saw at all. i'm very surprised. and r my— at all. i'm very surprised. and r my att— at all. i'm very surprised. and i saw my old friend— at all. i'm very surprised. and i saw my old friend sir- at all. trig : and i saw my old friend sir bernard tenttn— i saw my old friend sir bernard tenttn tne— i saw my old friend sir bernard jenkin, the most— i saw my old friend sir bernard jenkin, the most rabid anti—european fruit nut cases taz— anti—european fruit nut cases we tne— anti—european fruit nut cases ba.2 the cowo— anti—european fruit nut cases ba.2 the covid since 1992. ti; ba.2 the covid since 1992. he tne— ba.2 the covid since 1992. he the ana— ba.2 the covid since 1992. he was the one who _ ba.2 the covid since 1992. he was the one who shredded boris johnson on behalf of parliament. it wasn't boris haters . they're it wasn't boris haters. they're all bad brexiteers because brexiteers are eating each other's lunch and now they're eating each other alive. i don't think the taxpayer should be paying think the taxpayer should be paying for these hugely expensive dpp to protect a man who , as claire rightly says, who, as claire rightly says,

makes tonnes of money out of being an mp because of his fame. he could pick up his own tab. but that's boris. i think people frightened he might now be beginning to fall a bit out of love with him. even, you know tnts.— love with him. even, you know tnts. rs— love with him. even, you know tnts. rs tnts— love with him. even, you know this. is this not— love with him. even, you know this. is this not the— 1“ even, you know this. is this not the kind of stassts— this. is this not the kind of classic witch— this. is this not the kind of classic witch hunt for someone wna— classic witch hunt for someone wna ts— classic witch hunt for someone wna ts taa— classic witch hunt for someone who is too popular— classic witch hunt for someone who is too popular for their own eaat— who is too popular for their own taat ant— who is too popular for their own taat ant wants— who is too popular for their own good and wants to,— who is too popular for their own good and wants to, you know, snasn — good and wants to, you know, snasn tawn — good and wants to, you know, smash down the— good and wants to, you know, smash down the old swamp, as it weet-s wnat— smash down the old swamp, as it were.-is what they- smash down the old swamp, as it were. is what they try were. and this is what they try ant— were. and this is what they try ant-tet— were. and this is what they try ant-tet wan- were. and this is what they try ant-tet wan ant- were. and this is what they try and get you out of and do. they get you out of atttse— and do. they get you out of ante—tntng- office. they keep trying to get you— office. they keep trying to get wan ant— office. they keep trying to get you out-office _ office. they keep trying to get you out .office i a - office. they keep trying to get you out office a media you out of office as a media sannattn— you out of office as a media sannattn-waa - you out of office as a media campaign you. then campaign against you. then tnere-s— campaign against you. then there'slpolitical- campaign against you. then there's political campaign campaign against you. then there's you. itical campaign campaign against you. then there's you. itica|then paign campaign against you. then there's you. itica|then theyi campaign against you. then there's you. itica|then they try against you. and then they try to against you. and then they try ta-wan— against you. and then they try to you financially. this to cripple you financially. this is to cripple you financially. this ts tnst— to cripple you financially. this ts twst tnet— to cripple you financially. this is just tried and— to cripple you financially. this is just tried and tested. and you—i- is just tried and tested. and you—l restanl is just tried and tested. and you—i reckon of you know what? i reckon a lot of nnernters— you know what? i reckon a lot of members—would. you know what? i reckon a lot of| members—would be members of the public would be terresttw— members of the public would be tertesttw-taw- members of the public would be perfectly-pay boris- perfectly happy to pay boris tsnnssn-s— johnson's legal fees. they feel ase-ns— johnson's legal fees. they feel as-ne-s-tss- johnson's legal fees. they feel as-he's-too hardi as though he's been too hard tone— as though he's been too hard done _ousted- as though he's been too hard done _ousted . l as though he's been too hard. done _ousted . boris as though he's been too hard- done _ousted . boris , done by. he was ousted. boris, if done by. he was ousted. boris, tt you— done by. he was ousted. boris, tt you t— done by. he was ousted. boris, tt you tt wsa— done by. he was ousted. boris, tt you tt you to— done by. he was ousted. boris, if you if you go and speak to those people who are looking to get legal aid for family court cases, for example , and they cases, for example, and they can't do it because they earn just over the smidge of what they're supposed to, which is an awful than boris awful lot less than mr boris johnson. so, no, i don't buy it, ant— johnson. so, no, i don't buy it, ant r—

johnson. so, no, i don't buy it, ant r ton-t— johnson. so, no, i don't buy it, ant r tsn-t ttt— johnson. so, no, i don't buy it, and i don't buy that— 1“1“ so, no, i don't buy it, and i don't buy that this is the establishment— and i don't buy that this is the establishment bringing him down. the establishment bringing him down. tne—tnat— establishment bringing him down. the _that brought- the only person that brought town—ts- the only person that brought down—is borisi down boris johnson is boris tsnnssn. — down boris johnson is boris johnson. well,— down boris johnson is boris johnson. �*ft�*rigl iti; 1“ 1“ down boris johnson is boris johnson. t “at: down boris johnson is boris johnson. jri1;1“1“1“ritr: down boris johnson is boris- johnson. well, dennis had a good point. we pay legal aid for members some grooming members of the some grooming gangs. members of the some grooming gangs . we pay legal aid for gangs. we pay legal aid for terror suspects . we pay legal terror suspects. we pay legal aid every tom dick aid for every single tom dick and harry who wants to come over here try appeal whatever here and try to appeal whatever conviction give conviction that we possibly give them. grief, when them. i mean, good grief, when you boris johnson up next you line boris johnson up next to would you to that lot, why would you rather taxpayer funded legal rather pay taxpayer funded legal aid vile, aid for somebody who's a vile, depraved of a grooming depraved member of a grooming gang or terror than gang or a terror cell than you would johnson ? i would for boris johnson? i assume the principle is serious srtntnat— assume the principle is serious criminal accusations can't be tett— criminal accusations can't be left undefended_ criminal accusations can't be left undefended .— criminal accusations can't be left undefended . i mean, you've left undefended. i mean, you've got ssne— left undefended. i mean, you've ast st— left undefended. i mean, you've got some of the— left undefended. i mean, you've got some of the metropolitan tstse— got some of the metropolitan tstse nw— got some of the metropolitan police now wanting to throw anybody— police now wanting to throw anybody tnts— police now wanting to throw anybody into prison who even tsstet— anybody into prison who even tsstet-wrsnt— anybody into prison who even looked wrong way at prince looked the wrong way at prince ttnt— looked the wrong way at prince ttnt states— looked the wrong way at prince king charles last— looked the wrong way at prince king charles last last saturday. but king charles last last saturday. ttt tne— king charles last last saturday. ttt tne nan— king charles last last saturday. but the main point is this is a tstse— but the main point is this is a tstse st— but the main point is this is a house of commons inquiry. boris has house of commons inquiry. boris nas tst— house of commons inquiry. boris nas tst tne— house of commons inquiry. boris has got the money.— house of commons inquiry. boris has got the money. he can have a wttt— has got the money. he can have a wntt tttnt— has got the money. he can have a whip round tonight— has got the money. he can have a whip round tonight and raise it . i whip round tonight and raise it . r nttn— whip round tonight and raise it . r nttnt nst.— whip round tonight and raise it . r nttnt nst. r— whip round tonight and raise it . i might not. i might chip in are.— . i might not. i might chip in are. te-s— . i might not. i might chip in £10. he's always— . i might not. i might chip in £10. he's always he's always nate— £10. he's always he's always nate ne— £10. he's always he's always made me laugh.— £10. he's always he's always made me laugh. claire might. it snstttn-t— made me laugh. claire might. it ststttn-t te— made me laugh. claire might. it

shouldn't be. and— made me laugh. claire might. it shouldn't be. and he's hired the nsnest— shouldn't be. and he's hired the rtsnest tttses— shouldn't be. and he's hired the richest juices in— shouldn't be. and he's hired the richest juices in the world tnere— richest juices in the world there. dominic— richest juices in the world there. dominic raab is a qc. he stutt— there. dominic raab is a qc. he ssttt nave— there. dominic raab is a qc. he could have defended boris graft is could have defended boris graft ts tsr— could have defended boris graft ts tsr nstttnt— could have defended boris graft is for nothing. he's gone out ant— is for nothing. he's gone out ant tttnt— is for nothing. he's gone out and found some— is for nothing. he's gone out and found some guy called lord rants— and found some guy called lord rants ttttsn— and found some guy called lord rants ttttsn ,— and found some guy called lord panic button , who— and found some guy called lord panic button , who is the most panic button, who is the most etenstwe— panic button, who is the most expensive lawyer— panic button, who is the most expensive lawyer on earth. even tttnt— expensive lawyer on earth. even tttnt san-t— expensive lawyer on earth. even trump can't afford— expensive lawyer on earth. even trump can't afford him and it's a tsa— trump can't afford him and it's a post ttt— trump can't afford him and it's a poor ttt st— trump can't afford him and it's a poor ttt st a— trump can't afford him and it's a poor but of a taxpayer who has to pay— a poor but of a taxpayer who has to raw tsr— a poor but of a taxpayer who has to pay for boris's— a poor but of a taxpayer who has to pay for boris's fees and but tts— to pay for boris's fees and but tt-s wnat— to pay for boris's fees and but it's what we've— to pay for boris's fees and but it's what we've come to expect trsn — it's what we've come to expect trsn ntn. — it's what we've come to expect from him. patrick— it's what we've come to expect from him. patrick that is our tsrts. — from him. patrick that is our tsrts. wtat— from him. patrick that is our boris. what about- from him. patrick that is our boris. what about what about claire? the idea that this was ttst— claire? the idea that this was rust ttt— claire? the idea that this was rust ttt ts— claire? the idea that this was just put to boris— ”c7 the idea that this was just put to boris johnson. they sart— just put to boris johnson. they satt ttst— just put to boris johnson. they said, look, all— just put to boris johnson. they said, look, all right, we'll pay it said, look, all right, we'll pay tt tsr— said, look, all right, we'll pay tt tsr you— said, look, all right, we'll pay tt tsr you .— said, look, all right, we'll pay tt tsr you . r— said, look, all right, we'll pay it for you . i mean,- said, look, all right, we'll pay it for you . i mean, it's not why it for you. i mean, it's not why snowt— it for you. i mean, it's not why snsttt ne— it for you. i mean, it's not why snsttt ne 907— it for you. i mean, it's not why should he go? okay, i've got nee— should he go? okay, i've got however many— should he go? okay, i've got however many young kids. he's sawtnt— however many young kids. he's sawtnt-ne-s— however many young kids. he's sawtnt-ne-s tst. - however many young kids. he's saying he's got. why should saying that he's got. why should he? saying that he's got. why should nee why— saying that he's got. why should he? why should— saying that he's got. why should he? why should he— saying that he's got. why should he? why should he have to now ttst— he? why should he have to now rust 9°7— he? why should he have to now rust as? r— he? why should he have to now rust tse r tett— he? why should he have to now just go? i tell you— he? why should he have to now just go? i tell you what. i'll tate— just go? i tell you what. i'll tate ttst— just go? i tell you what. i'll take food .of— just go? i tell you what. i'll take food of their mouths take food out of their mouths ant—st— take food out of their mouths and—of their- take food out of their mouths. and—of their various and money out of their various tttterent— and money out of their various different trust— and money out of their various different trust funds. one would tnattne— different trust funds. one would tnattne ttst— different trust funds. one would imagine just-his- different trust funds. one would imagine just his own imagine just out of his own tsstwtt— imagine just out of his own tsstwtt ts— imagine just out of his own goodwill to the— imagine just out of his own goodwill to the taxpayer to say, oh, goodwill to the taxpayer to say, on wet — goodwill to the taxpayer to say, oh, well, there— goodwill to the taxpayer to say, oh, well, there - go - goodwill to the taxpayer to say, oh, well, there go then. oh, well, there you go then. ttt— oh, well, there you go then. ttt-tsr— oh, well, there you go then. ttt-ta my— oh, well, there you go then. i'll-for my own- oh, well, there you go then. l i'll-for my own _fees i'll pay for my own legal fees if i'll pay for my own legal fees tt tnts— i'll pay for my own legal fees tt tnts ts— i'll pay for my own legal fees if this is being— i'll pay for my own legal fees if this is being offered to him. tesatse— if this is being offered to him. because when— if this is being offered to him. because when you _ if this is being offered to him. because when you are- if this is being offered to him. | because when you are-elected because when you are an elected representative level , it representative at any level, it is incumbent upon you to spend

taxpayers money correctly. if you are in receipt of it in any way, shape or form. you always have to look at is the public getting good for money out getting good value for money out of this ? i'm very, very of this? i'm very, very surprised treasury surprised that the treasury would have this off if would have signed this off if i'm honest with you. i'm brutally honest with you. i know trying get anything know that trying to get anything through my home office days through from my home office days was extremely difficult and we had to put so much information to back it up. so i don't think this was particularly easy. and maybe, as dennis said, maybe he could round, set up could have a whip round, set up a me, even better, a go, fund me, or even better, let's into yours. yeah, let's put it into yours. yeah, yeah, exactly. because- e yeah, yeah, exactly. because i'm glad you— yeah, exactly. because i'm glad you nenttsnet— yeah, exactly. because i'm glad you mentioned that he's teaming up you mentioned that he's teaming tt—tennts- up for it. look, dennis, i've got— up for it. look, dennis, i've ast—wen- up for it. look, dennis, i'vei got—very quickly, up for it. look, dennis, i've got i very quickly, up for it. look, dennis, i've got i would ary quickly, up for it. look, dennis, i've got i would getjuickly, up for it. look, dennis, i've got i would get shouted out because i would get shouted out by sw— because i would get shouted out by wewers— because i would get shouted out by our viewers-our- because i would get shouted out by our viewers our listeners by our viewers and our listeners if by our viewers and our listeners ttitttnt— by our viewers and our listeners ttitttn-t. r— by our viewers and our listeners if.didn't. i know— by our viewers and our listeners if didn't. i know alluded if we didn't. i know you alluded to if we didn't. i know you alluded ts-earter— if we didn't. i know you alluded to-earlier on,— if we didn't. i know you alluded to-earlier on, but- if we didn't. i know you alluded to-earlier on, but is- if we didn't. i know you alluded to earlier on, but is it to this earlier on, but is it a ttt— to this earlier on, but is it a ttt-newe— to this earlier on, but is it a bit-now? dennis- to this earlier on, but is it a bit now? dennis with bit rich now? dennis with restest— bit rich now? dennis with respect—borisl respect to say that boris tsnnssn— respect to say that boris johnson should be exactly ttstne— johnson should be exactly tttnt—tne- johnson should be exactly footing—the of johnson should be exactly foottaxpayer?-the of johnson should be exactly foottaxpayer? there's; of johnson should be exactly foottaxpayer? there's variousf the taxpayer? there's various neattnes— the taxpayer? there's various headlines-of- the taxpayer? there's various headlines-of me,- the taxpayer? there's various headlines of me, one headlines in front of me, one tere— headlines in front of me, one nae, you— headlines in front of me, one here, you know,— headlines in front of me, one here, you know, minister here, you know, ex minister tents— here, you know, ex minister denis macshane the denis macshane from the starttan— guardian, before we start snstttnt— shouting at me, ex minister tents— shouting at me, ex minister- tents—tstts denis macshane, jailed for bogus expenses claims.— denis macshane, jailed for bogus expenses claims. i— denis macshane, jailed for bogus expenses claims. i mean, what's snantete— expenses claims. i mean, what's snantete-ssne- expenses claims. i mean, what's changed?-come on. - expenses claims. i mean, what's changed? come on. you changed? dennis come on. you stttentw— changed? dennis come on. you stttentw sae— changed? dennis come on. you suddenly care about taxpayer suddenly care about the taxpayer teres—

suddenly care about the taxpayer neree r— suddenly care about the taxpayer neree r tttnt— suddenly care about the taxpayer here? i didn't ask— suddenly care about the taxpayer here? i didn't ask the taxpayer to ts— here? i didn't ask the taxpayer ts ts antnne,— here? i didn't ask the taxpayer to do anything, but i was asttattw— to do anything, but i was actually cleared . e to do anything, but i was actually cleared , u 3.3.1 to do anything, but i was- actually cleared . it then became actually cleared. it then became actually cleared. it then became a political issue. a party political issue. there's a lot more to that doesn't come out. not being in the papers. i'm not you know, you don't want to hear that. i'm happy to talk about it. it's all a long time ago. the conviction is spent. i love being belmarsh. patrick, being in belmarsh. patrick, you're man. you you're a fit young man. you want to can certainly to lose weight? i can certainly recommend weeks in recommend a few weeks in belmarsh. out belmarsh. you'll come out fighting future marriage . fighting your future marriage. you may need it. all right, look , both of you. thank you very ntsn. — , both of you. thank you very much. dennis— thank you very much. dennis especially for tetng— much. dennis especially for tetng-stsn- much. dennis especially for being-sportlthel much. dennis especially for. being-sportlthe end being a good sport at the end tnere— being a good sport at the end tnere-tstn— being a good sport at the end there-both of- being a good sport at the end there both of you. thank there right. both of you. thank you-— there right. both of you. thank wsn—tatsw- there right. both of you. thank wsn—tatsw mpi you. that's former labour mp tents— you. that's former labour mp denis macshane— denis macshane and claire tearsatt— denis macshane and claire pearsall .well. - denis macshane and claire pearsall-well. -a| pearsall as well. he was a tstttsat— pearsall as well. he was a political commentator former political commentator and former stestat— special adviser. okay. so i tttnt— special adviser. okay. so i tttnt-netw— special adviser. okay. so i think pretty clear that the think it's pretty clear that the generat— think it's pretty clear that the tenerat—wasi general consensus there was that the general consensus there was that tne—te- the taxpayer should not be paying— the taxpayer should not be- tawtnt—tetat paying for boris johnson's legal tees. — paying for boris johnson's legal fees. vaiews@gbnews.uk. where are fees. vaiews@gbnews.uk. where aes-n— fees. vaiews@gbnews.uk. where are-sn-nsw— fees. vaiews@gbnews.uk. where aesnns-.w— fees. vaiews@gbnews.uk. where are on now , security are you on that now, security stttstats— are you on that now, security stttstats tn— are you on that now, security officials in-are- are you on that now, security officials in are bracing officials in texas are bracing tnensetwes— officials in texas are bracing themselves for— officials in texas are bracing themselves for what could be an unprecedented— themselves for what could be an unprecedented influx of migrants in unprecedented influx of migrants tn tne— unprecedented influx of migrants tn tne next— unprecedented influx of migrants in the next few— unprecedented influx of migrants in the next few days, and not ttst— in the next few days, and not ttst tsr— in the next few days, and not rust tsr tne— in the next few days, and not just for the next— in the next few days, and not just for the next few days, by tne— just for the next few days, by tne-a— just for the next few days, by tne-a wen- just for the next few days, by tne-a wen tsnt- just for the next few days, by the a very long period the way, for a very long period of the way, for a very long period st tne— the way, for a very long period st ttne ts— the way, for a very long period of time to come.— the way, for a very long period of time to come. when i say of time to come. and when i say an unprecedented—

of time to come. and when i say an unprecedented influx, i mean ttterattw— an unprecedented influx, i mean literally thousands, literally hundreds of thousands, if literally hundreds of thousands, tt nst— literally hundreds of thousands, if not millions,— literally hundreds of thousands, if not millions, i'm patrick snrtstws— if not millions, i'm patrick snnstws sn— if not millions, i'm patrick christys on gb— if not millions, i'm patrick christys on gb news britain's

on gb news, the people's. channel welcome channel- welcome back, snannet— welcome back, everybody. right. otaw— welcome back, everybody. right. otaw ss— welcome back, everybody. right. otaw ss twe— welcome back, everybody. right. otaw ss twe tast— welcome back, everybody. right. okay so i've just about got enough time for this. the uk government is trying to bring in the illegal migration bill. we all know about that. we talk about it most days right here on this show. want this particular show. they want to help tackle boats to help tackle the small boats crisis illegal crisis over here, stop illegal migration. meanwhile though, of course our net migration figures migration. meanwhile though, of cou absolutely migration figures migration. meanwhile though, of cou absolutely migraticthe gures migration. meanwhile though, of cou absolutely migraticthe roof.r are absolutely through the roof. but in the united states, title 42 has helped block hundreds of thousands of migrants at the us mexico border from seeking asylum. since 2020. former us president donald trump introduced the policy at the start of the covid pandemic. but but, but. but. this is about to run its course now, and we are seeing hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people about to just pour into the united

states. and as you're about to hear as well from the wonderful sebastian gorka , they are being sebastian gorka, they are being welcomed with open arms, with things like phones and giving a plane ticket to whatever they want to go in the united states. earlier on, i did speak to trump's former deputy adviser, sebastian gorka, who had this to say. staggering that say. absolutely staggering that you anywhere the you can go to anywhere in the united essentially. now united states essentially. now and but do you and it is bonkers. but do you think a think this is part of a deliberate plan? basically to try ramp up the vote and try to ramp up the vote and maybe even just change the demographics of the united states irreversibly ? we read states irreversibly? we read their own writings- states irreversibly? we read their own writings of- states irreversibly? we read their own writings of ,- ”136“; 357 we read their own writings of , you ””r1i;rr1i;”tir 7dj we read their own writings of , you know, their own writings of, you know, tenssrats— their own writings of, you know, democrats, people's people like atexantna— democrats, people's people like alexandria ocasio—cortez , long alexandria ocasio—cortez, long tteses— alexandria ocasio—cortez, long tteses tn— alexandria ocasio—cortez, long tteses tn tne— alexandria ocasio—cortez, long pieces in the atlantic , that pieces in the atlantic, that tett— pieces in the atlantic, that tett wtnt— pieces in the atlantic, that tett wtnt rat.— pieces in the atlantic, that left wing rag. this is called by the democrats,— left wing rag. this is called by the democrats, the browning of anertsa— the democrats, the browning of anertsa. ant— the democrats, the browning of america. and they— the democrats, the browning of america. and they celebrate it wnen— america. and they celebrate it wnen testte— america. and they celebrate it when people like— america. and they celebrate it when people like tucker carlson say when people like tucker carlson saw tnat— when people like tucker carlson saw tnat tnts— when people like tucker carlson say that this thing— when people like tucker carlson say that this thing exists . say that this thing exists. tnew-re — say that this thing exists. they're called _ say that this thing exists. they're called conspiracy tnesrtsts— they're called conspiracy theorists .— they're called conspiracy theorists . but- they're called conspiracy theorists . but if you've got a theorists. but if you've got a d atten— theorists. but if you've got a d atter wsw— theorists. but if you've got a d after your name,— theorists. but if you've got a d after your name, if— theorists. but if you've got a d after your name, if you're a tenssrat— after your name, if you're a democrat, this— after your name, if you're a democrat, this is- after your name, if you're a democrat, this is great. this is tstnt— democrat, this is great. this is tstnt etnnts— democrat, this is great. this is using ethnic minorities as a tstttsat—

using ethnic minorities as a political weapon. and it is ternats— political weapon. and it is ternats sne— political weapon. and it is perhaps one of— political weapon. and it is perhaps one of the most since tne— perhaps one of the most since tne ttt— perhaps one of the most since tne ttt was— perhaps one of the most since the kkk was created by the tenssrats. — the kkk was created by the democrats. this— the kkk was created by the democrats. this is one of the nsst— democrats. this is one of the nsst rastst— democrats. this is one of the most racist things that party nas— most racist things that party nas ever— most racist things that party has ever done.— most racist things that party has ever done. patrick but what te— has ever done. patrick but what te tsne— has ever done. patrick but what can be done about— has ever done. patrick but what can be done about it? i can be done about it? because i tare— can be done about it? because i tare saw— can be done about it? because i dare say that the majority of law abiding citizens in the united states of america who pay their taxes and who want to live by the law are not particularly happy about this. what on earth can be done about it ? well, can be done about it? well, until president— can be done about it? well, until president trump- i 1“ : 7 well, until president trump comes back into until president trump comes back tnts tne— until president trump comes back tnts tne wntte— until president trump comes back into the white house, god witne— into the white house, god willing, nothing can be done tsn— willing, nothing can be done trsn tne— willing, nothing can be done from the federal— willing, nothing can be done from the federal level. it's up to from the federal level. it's up ts tne— from the federal level. it's up to the states.— from the federal level. it's up to the states. we— from the federal level. it's up to the states. we are a republic of to the states. we are a republic st states— to the states. we are a republic st states .— to the states. we are a republic of states . and— to the states. we are a republic of states . and if— to the states. we are a republic of states . and if the governors of states. and if the governors nat— of states. and if the governors tat sse— of states. and if the governors had some balls,— of states. and if the governors had some balls, like the governor of— had some balls, like the governor of texas s greg abbott ssttt — governor of texas s greg abbott ssttt sent— governor of texas s greg abbott ssttt sent tn— governor of texas s greg abbott could send in his— governor of texas s greg abbott could send in his forces. the nattsnat— could send in his forces. the national guard— could send in his forces. the national guard forces that answer to the— national guard forces that answer to the governor, to the bone. — answer to the governor, to the bone. ts — answer to the governor, to the border, to seal— answer to the governor, to the border, to seal the— answer to the governor, to the border, to seal the border. but tnew— border, to seal the border. but tnew rntnss— border, to seal the border. but tnew rntnss ,— border, to seal the border. but they rhinos , they're republicans they rhinos, they're republicans in they rhinos, they're republicans tn only-— they rhinos, they're republicans in name only. they're fake conservatives. _ in name only. they're fake conservatives. i- in name only. they're fake conservatives. i think you're tantra— conservatives. i think you're familiar with— conservatives. i think you're familiar with that term in the tt. — familiar with that term in the tt. tnere— familiar with that term in the uk. there could— familiar with that term in the uk. there could be a response at the uk. there could be a response at tne state— uk. there could be a response at the state level,— uk. there could be a response at the state level, but— uk. there could be a response at the state level, but nobody has the state level, but nobody has the testicular— the state level, but nobody has the testicular fortitude to do ssnetntnt — the testicular fortitude to do something about it right now .

something about it right now. no, something about it right now. ts. nst.— something about it right now. ts. tsst. tts— something about it right now. no, look, it's fascinating- no, look, it's fascinating stuff. sebastia look, thank you very, very much for bringing us that update. my concern really for sebastian , by the just for sebastian, by the way, just for sebastian, by the way, just for viewers here, is for our viewers over here, is that, you know, we see what's going on in channel at the going on in the channel at the moment see what's moment and we see what's happening maybe in mainland europe. and it is now unquestionably its unquestionably working its way over the ease with over here. and the ease with which hearing, which people we keep hearing, oh, to get oh, it's so difficult to get a visa to come and live in this country. well, i'm sorry, but the figures are the net migration figures are 600,000. over here, 600,000. it's coming over here, sam. patrick, 600,000. it's coming over here, sam . patrick, my parents were sam. patrick, my parents were retttees— sam. patrick, my parents were retttees ant— sam. patrick, my parents were refugees and they— patrick, my parents were refugees and they got asylum in the refugees and they got asylum in tne tt— refugees and they got asylum in tne tt. why— refugees and they got asylum in the uk. why because my father essatet— the uk. why because my father essatet a— the uk. why because my father escaped a communist prison. tnese— escaped a communist prison. tnese testte— escaped a communist prison. these people are— escaped a communist prison. these people are economic nttrants— these people are economic migrants that— these people are economic migrants that doesn't make you a retttee. — migrants that doesn't make you a retttee. rts— migrants that doesn't make you a retttee. rt-s an— migrants that doesn't make you a refugee. it's an invasion. look, tnant— refugee. it's an invasion. look, tnant you— refugee. it's an invasion. look, tnant wst wen— refugee. it's an invasion. look, thank you very much, sebastian ssrta. — thank you very much, sebastian ssrta. tnere— thank you very much, sebastian ssrta. ttere .— thank you very much, sebastian gorka. there , of— thank you very much, sebastian gorka. tttitt. thank you very much, sebastian gorka. ti.ti:t. gorka. there, of course, who is a former white house adviser to president trump . yes. okay. it's president trump. yes. okay. it's confusing, isn't it, just seeing yourself at the end of a clip there. so the reason why i wanted to bring that to you was pretty straightforward, which is, as with a lot of things, what america, what

what happens in america, what starts over starts in america comes over here. sebastian is here. and sebastian gorka is clearly the view there here. and sebastian gorka is clt some the view there here. and sebastian gorka is clt some kinds view there here. and sebastian gorka is cltsome kind of ew there here. and sebastian gorka is cltsome kind of plan there here. and sebastian gorka is cltsome kind of plan to there is some kind of plan to basically deliberately replace or change the population or change anyway the population of particular country. and of this particular country. and i was fascinating. i thought that was fascinating. you can catch a version you can catch a full version of that interview now that interview online right now . time to wrap . now, just about time to wrap this show up, but i wanted to leave you with this because we have you actually have well, you actually wonderful smashed wonderful people have smashed a really important milestone in the battle to help the mental health crisis in this country and raise a bit of for money charity. many of you know that i am getting ready to appear on stage boys. they stage with the dream boys. they call uk's most call themselves the uk's most famous male strippers. was famous male strippers. i was meant didn't meant to do it last year. didn't happen, but now it's on. why? because i almost always do because i almost always say, do what i'm going to do. what i say i'm going to do. i was moves with the was learning some moves with the lads yesterday. now lads in essex yesterday. now tomorrow, lucky or tomorrow, are you lucky or unlucky ? you will able unlucky people? you will be able to fuller version of to see a fuller version of me learning dance routine . the learning the dance routine. the dance split into dance routine is split into three a couple of three parts. there's a couple of the there and then the ymca bits there and then you'll be very to you'll all be very pleased to know is followed by a solo know it is followed by a solo and that solo will be able to be witnessed live stage front

witnessed live on stage in front of people on wednesday, the of 1000 people on wednesday, the 28th of june in bromley and i have been raising money for the mental health charity mind and it's official. we've made it £30,000. that's right. just giving .com forward slash fundraising forward slash challenge, kristie. thank you very much, michelle dewberry is here with dewbs& co and we've not got long i've been not got long because i've been obviously wares obviously touting my wares over there. you coming there. but what you got coming up? talk. i'm just up? i can't talk. i'm just distracted by those naked male torsos. if you want me to come atsnt— torsos. if you want me to come atsnt tsrnsnsw— torsos. if you want me to come along tomorrow and— if you want me to come along tomorrow and supervise tsn— your next training session, i wtt. — your next training session, i wtt- — your next training session, i will.- notes. and. your next training session, i will. tr and you your next training session, i- will.- notes. and you can will. okay notes. and you can ant— will. okay notes. and you can come and watch— will. okay notes. and you can come and watch the— will. okay tr and you can come and watch the show live. i ntttt— come and watch the show live. i ntttt ts.— come and watch the show live. i might do. actually. _ come and watch the show live. i might do. actually. i— come and watch the show live. i might do. actually. i might not be able contain be able to contain my excitement, might excitement, though. i might have a heart attack and that'll be the dewbs & co. don't the end of dewbs& co. we don't want we? anyway, guess want that, do we? anyway, guess wnat— want that, do we? anyway, guess wnat r— want that, do we? anyway, guess wnat r want— want that, do we? anyway, guess what i want-talk— want that, do we? anyway, guess what i want-talk about- what i want to talk about tsnttnte— what i want to talk about tsnttnte — what i want to talk about tonight? china.- what i want to talk about tonight? c1“ jtitt what i want to talk about tonight? jtitt tonight? china. do you think they pay reparations? they should pay reparations? covid yes. good you're covid yes. yes. good you're a snan— covid yes. yes. good you're a smart- patrick. - covid yes. yes. good you're a smart-patrick. i- covid yes. yes. good you're a. smart-patrick. i always smart man, you patrick. i always say smart man, you patrick. i always saw-atstt— smart man, you patrick. i always saw-atstt-atss.- say that about you. also, narrtate— say that about you. also, marriage tn— say that about you. also, marriage in decline. does say that about you. 'titi:t g 1“ t:ti;ti does it marriage in decline. does it matter? one of my panellists thinks of my other thinks not. one of my other tanetttsts— thinks not. one of my other panellists-at- thinks not. one of my other panellists - at the i panellists thinks it's at the nsst— panellists thinks it's at the rsst st— panellists thinks it's at the rsst st ss— panellists thinks it's at the root of so many— panellists thinks it's at the root of so many of society's tts. — root of so many of society's ills. there's— root of so many of society's ills. there's a— root of so many of society's ills. there's a lot- root of so many of society's ills. there's a lot more stuff

as yeah. this is going ills. there's a lot more stuff. as-yeah. this is going to as well. yeah. this is going to be as well. yeah. this is going to te-tsn-t— as well. yeah. this is going to te-tsn-t you— as well. yeah. this is going to be-don't you dare- yeah. this is going to be don't you dare move. be gold. don't you dare move. tttsnette— be gold. don't you dare move. michelle dewberry is coming up nets.— michelle dewberry is coming up now. hello. it's— michelle dewberry is coming up now. hello. it's time your michelle dewberry is coming up nov news.o. it's time your michelle dewberry is coming up nov news forecast�*ne your michelle dewberry is coming up nov news forecast�*ne me. ' t:i1“ gb news forecast with me. aidan western— gb news forecast with me. aidan nsstwern trsn — gb news forecast with me. aidan mcgivern from the— gb news forecast with me. aidan mcgivern from the met office. there certainly quite a lot there are certainly quite a lot of out there this of heavy showers out there this afternoon, even some thunderstorms. ease thunderstorms. they will ease later, few later, but for the next few hours, pressure hours, we've got low pressure sitting it's sitting right over the uk. it's a relatively area of low a relatively slack area of low pressure. means the winds a relatively slack area of low prezlight means the winds a relatively slack area of low prezlight and means the winds a relatively slack area of low prezlight and thatans the winds a relatively slack area of low prezlight and that means winds a relatively slack area of low prezlight and that means where are light and that means where the showers are occurring , the showers are occurring, they're slow moving. not everyone is seeing these showers, but certainly across some central and eastern parts of england , that's where the of england, that's where the most lively downpours are expected next expected over the next few hours. and thundery rain as well. but but eventually, overnight, they ease away . most overnight, they ease away. most places end up drier, but there will be a lot of low cloud creeping in from the north sea. some drizzle on the north sea coast as well as over the hills in the east temperatures in the east and temperatures dipping high dipping to the mid to high single many places. single figures in many places. clearest out towards the clearest spells out towards the west, will west, although there will be a few fog patches for northern ireland, then the ireland, first thing, then the sunshine helps to break up the cloud from the west towards the

east for and scotland, northern ireland, northern and western england as well as wales. sunny spells break out a few showers for and the west and some for wales and the west and some more persistent, drizzly rain for anglia in the for east anglia in the south—east that carried by a nonh south—east that carried by a north sea wind will make it feel cold. 12 degrees on the north sea coast , cold. 12 degrees on the north sea coast, but 18 or 19 for some of the sunnier western spots into friday night, we're going to see the thicker cloud return across much of central and eastern england, parts of eastern england, parts of eastern scotland as well , and eastern scotland as well, and some mistiness and drizzle around the north sea coast. but elsewhere across the uk, clear spells of 1 or 2 mist and fog patches and temperatures for scotland and northern ireland dipping some places into the dipping in some places into the low single figures. so chilly low single figures. so a chilly start northern start for scotland. northern ireland, north west england. first thing saturday. but actually where actually that's where the sunniest skies will be. still some mistiness around coasts, particularly north sea particularly the north sea coast, and still a lot of low cloud central areas that cloud across central areas that will tend to back towards the nonh will tend to back towards the north sea through the day on saturday. sunny spells break out widely and feeling warm in that

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my my other one says, actually that this problem is at the heart of so many ills in society . what so many ills in society. what says you and covid absolutely decimated global economies, businesses is gone. mental health gone , years shaved off health gone, years shaved off people's education. who then pays?if people's education. who then pays? if anyone at all? i say china . do you agree that they china. do you agree that they should pay reparations for covid

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