my my other one says, actually that this problem is at the heart of so many ills in society . what so many ills in society. what says you and covid absolutely decimated global economies, businesses is gone. mental health gone , years shaved off health gone, years shaved off people's education. who then pays?|f people's education. who then pays? if anyone at all? i say china . do you agree that they china. do you agree that they should pay reparations for covid

and weight loss jabs? do you agree with them or not? and oxford university are allowing someone to speak to students. that has a different view to them. who this lady believes that biological sex is real and cannot be changed. but at the university is giving welfare resources to the students to help them cope with hearing a different view. you what are we setting up children to fail in the real world. i'll have it all to come and more. but first let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest headunes. speed with tonight's latest headlines . good evening. the top headlines. good evening. the top stories tonight on— headlines. good evening. the top stories tonight on gb— : c: " g the top stories tonight on gb news. the chancellor— stories tonight on gb news. the chancellor says— stories tonight on gb news. the chancellor says the bank of england-s— chancellor says the bank of england's latest— chancellor says the bank of england's latest interest rate ”5.— england's latest interest rate wm— england's latest interest rate rise will prove— england's latest interest rate rise will prove challenging for families— rise will prove challenging for families with— rise will prove challenging for families with mortgages. his comments come— families with mortgages. his comments come after the uk's central— comments come after the uk's central bank— comments come after the uk's central bank raised rates for the— central bank raised rates for the me— central bank raised rates for the 12th time— central bank raised rates for the 12th time in— central bank raised rates for the 12th time in a row in a further— the 12th time in a row in a further attempt- the 12th time in a row in a further attempt to tackle searing— further attempt to tackle soaring inflation. the bank's bese— soaring inflation. the bank's base rate— soaring inflation. the bank's base rate has— soaring inflation. the bank's base rate has been increased today— base rate has been increased today by— base rate has been increased today by e— base rate has been increased today by a quarter of a percentage—

today by a quarter of a percentage point . that's from percentage point. that's from ease— percentage point. that's from me te— percentage point. that's from me to 4.5. — percentage point. that's from 4.25% to 4.5. it's— percentage point. that's from 4.25% to 4.5. it's the highest level— 4.25% to 4.5. it's the highest level in— 4.25% to 4.5. it's the highest level in 15— 4.25% to 4.5. it's the highest level in 15 years. _ 4.25% to 4.5. it's the highest level in 15 years. jeremy hunt says— level in 15 years. jeremy hunt says the— level in 15 years. jeremy hunt says the measures will, though, help— says the measures will, though, help families— says the measures will, though, help families in— says the measures will, though, help families in the long run , help families in the long run, although— help families in the long run, although ire— help families in the long run, although it's obviously good the— although it's obviously good news, the bank— although it's obviously good news, the bank is not now predefine— news, the bank is not now medicine a— news, the bank is not now predicting a recession this year. — predicting a recession this year. ii-s— predicting a recession this year. we very— predicting a recession this year. d g year. it's very challenging for families with mortgages to see interest rates go up . but unless interest rates go up. but unless we tackle rising prices, the cost of living crisis will just continue. and that's why it is essential that we stick to our plan to halve inflation. and if we do that , we can bring we do that, we can bring certainty back to family finances. well, certainty back to family finances . well, the shadow finances. well, the shadow chancellor,— finances. well, the shadow chancellor, rachel- �*" f well, the shadow chancellor, rachel reeves, says the chancellor, rachel reeves, says iiie iee— chancellor, rachel reeves, says iiie wiii— chancellor, rachel reeves, says the rise will be— chancellor, rachel reeves, says the rise will be of— chancellor, rachel reeves, says the rise will be of concern to many— the rise will be of concern to many eiiiieii— the rise will be of concern to many british households , as many british households, as ieiey— many british households, as ieiey wiii— many british households, as today will be— many british households, as today will be a— many british households, as today will be a day of great anxieiy— today will be a day of great enxieiy fei— today will be a day of great anxiety for many families and businesses— anxiety for many families and businesses around the country wie— businesses around the country who are— businesses around the country who facing— businesses around the country who are facing the 12th increase in ihieieei— who are facing the 12th increase in interest rates— who are facing the 12th increase in interest rates in— who are facing the 12th increase in interest rates in just a heiiei— in interest rates in just a we eh— in interest rates in just a matter of months. that means higher mortgage costs. already people have paid £1 billion more

in mortgage repayments compared to where they would have been six months ago . well, it news six months ago. well, it news away— six months ago. well, it news away from — six months ago. well, it news away from home. _ six months ago. well, it news away from home. the- x 3 well, it news away from home. the uk has confirmed— away from home. the uk has confirmed it— away from home. the uk has confirmed it is— away from home. the uk has confirmed it is supplying iihaihe— confirmed it is supplying ukraine with— confirmed it is supplying ukraine with the long—range hieeiiee— ukraine with the long—range hieeiiee ii— ukraine with the long—range missiles it requested for its high— missiles it requested for its high agaihei— missiles it requested for its fight against russia. defence seeieiaw— fight against russia. defence seeieiaw hea— fight against russia. defence secretary ben wallace says the iehaiieh— secretary ben wallace says the aehaiieh eh— secretary ben wallace says the donation of storm— secretary ben wallace says the donation of storm shadow hieeiiee— donation of storm shadow missiles gives— donation of storm shadow missiles gives ukraine the best ehahe— missiles gives ukraine the best ehahe ia— missiles gives ukraine the best chance to defend— missiles gives ukraine the best chance to defend themselves. the decision— chance to defend themselves. the decision follows— chance to defend themselves. the decision follows kiev's repeated hieae— decision follows kiev's repeated hieae hei— decision follows kiev's repeated hieae her hee— decision follows kiev's repeated pleas for more weapons from the weei. — pleas for more weapons from the west. addressing— pleas for more weapons from the west. addressing mps earlier, hen— west. addressing mps earlier, heh waiiaee— west. addressing mps earlier, ben wallace also said the united waiiehe— ben wallace also said the united waiiehe hai— ben wallace also said the united nations had found— ben wallace also said the united nations had found russia had eehhiiiei— nations had found russia had committed war— nations had found russia had committed war crimes. : committed war crimes. sadly, so far ai— committed war crimes. sadly, so far ai ieasi— committed war crimes. sadly, so far at least 23,000 ukrainian civilians have been killed or wounded, although the actual figure is likely to be substantially higher . thousands substantially higher. thousands of citizens have been sent to sinister filtration camps before being forcibly relocated to russia. some 6000 children ranging in ages from four months to 17 years, are now in, quote, re—education camps across russia . the un, as well as the us.

investigators have found that russia has committed war crimes with reported evidence of executions, torture and sexual violence in civilian areas. ben wallace now pakistan's supreme court has ordered the release of the former prime minister imran khan, and says his arrest was illegal. mr khan was arrested on iweeiaw— illegal. mr khan was arrested on iweeiaw hw— 3 mr khan was arrested on tuesday by paramilitary officers in tuesday by paramilitary officers ih a— tuesday by paramilitary officers in a courtroom— tuesday by paramilitary officers in a courtroom ._ tuesday by paramilitary officers in a courtroom . it— tuesday by paramilitary officers in a courtroom . it sparked in a courtroom. it sparked widespread— in a courtroom. it sparked widespread protests right across the widespread protests right across ihe eewhiw— widespread protests right across ihe eewhiw .— widespread protests right across the country . 1000— widespread protests right across the country . 1000 people were the country. 1000 people were aweeiei— the country. 1000 people were aweeiei aha— the country. 1000 people were arrested and at— the country. 1000 people were arrested and at one point the geweihhehi— arrested and at one point the government had— arrested and at one point the government had to call in the amy— government had to call in the army ia— government had to call in the army ie heih— government had to call in the army to help restore order here at army to help restore order here ai heme,— army to help restore order here ai heme, hai— army to help restore order here at home, rail services run by he— at home, rail services run by ihe eheiaiei— at home, rail services run by the operator transpennine ixweee— the operator transpennine ixweee ae— the operator transpennine express are to— the operator transpennine express are to be brought under geweihhehi— express are to be brought under government control. the iiaheheh— government control. the transport secretary has announced. _ transport secretary has announced. the decision follows eehiihwewe— announced. the decision follows continuous cancellations . mark continuous cancellations. mark haihei— continuous cancellations. mark haipei says— continuous cancellations. mark hapeaeaweihe— continuous cancellations. mark harper says the firm's contract wen-i— harper says the firm's contract weh-i he — harper says the firm's contract won't be extended or renewed. ihe— won't be extended or renewed. the department— won't be extended or renewed. the department of transport said iheieai— the department of transport said iheieai ii— the department of transport said instead it will— the department of transport said instead it will take— the department of transport said instead it will take over from may— instead it will take over from haw ihe— instead it will take over from may ihe 28h.— instead it will take over from may the 28th. the train epeiaieh— may the 28th. the train operator, which covers northern ihaiahi— operator, which covers northern england aha— operator, which covers northern england and runs— operator, which covers northern england and runs in parts of

seeiiahi,— england and runs in parts of scotland, saw— england and runs in parts of scotland, saw 1— england and runs in parts of scotland, saw 1 in 6 services eaheeiiea— scotland, saw 1 in 6 services cancelled in— scotland, saw 1 in 6 services cancelled in march , which a met cancelled in march, which a met heiiee— cancelled in march, which a met peiiee ehieei— cancelled in march, which a met police officer has— cancelled in march, which a met police officer has been found hei— police officer has been found hei gwiiw— police officer has been found hei ewiiw eh— police officer has been found not guilty of unlawfully ihhiieiihe— not guilty of unlawfully inflicting grievous bodily harm on a man who was left paralysed ahea— on a man who was left paralysed ahei being— on a man who was left paralysed after being tasered. _ on a man who was left paralysed after being tasered. and a warning— after being tasered. and a warning hei— after being tasered. and a warning for those watching on tv. warning for those watching on iv. ihe— warning for those watching on tv. the following footage does eehiaih— tv. the following footage does contain some— tv. the following footage does contain some distressing scenes. ihiah— contain some distressing scenes. ihiah iiahheei— contain some distressing scenes. ihiah iiahheei ,— contain some distressing scenes. imran mahmood , md, tasered imran mahmood, md, tasered jordan— imran mahmood, md, tasered jordan walker— imran mahmood, md, tasered jordan walker brown whilst on haiiei— jordan walker brown whilst on paiiei during— jordan walker brown whilst on patrol during his— jordan walker brown whilst on patrol during his first covid ieehiewh— patrol during his first covid ieehaewh .— patrol during his first covid lockdown . mr— patrol during his first covid lockdown . mr walker brown, who lockdown. mr walker brown, who was lockdown. mr walker brown, who ze— lockdown. mr walker brown, who ze ai— lockdown. mr walker brown, who ze ai ihe — lockdown. mr walker brown, who was 23 at the time,— lockdown. mr walker brown, who was 23 at the time, broke his hack— was 23 at the time, broke his haeh aha— was 23 at the time, broke his back and hit— was 23 at the time, broke his back and hit his— was 23 at the time, broke his back and hit his head on the pavement— back and hit his head on the pavement, leaving him with injuries-— pavement, leaving him with ihiwiee. iii— pavement, leaving him with injuries. mr mahmood told the cowh— injuries. mr mahmood told the eewi he— injuries. mr mahmood told the court he believed— injuries. mr mahmood told the court he believed mr walker hiewh— court he believed mr walker hiewh-a— court he believed mr walker brown - a weapon - court he believed mr walker brown a weapon on him and brown had a weapon on him and ihai— brown had a weapon on him and ihai-he— brown had a weapon on him and that-be dangerous- brown had a weapon on him and that-be dangerous .- brown had a weapon on him and that be dangerous . the that he could be dangerous. the duchess— that he could be dangerous. the duchess eh— that he could be dangerous. the duchess of edinburgh has given duchess of edinburin has given her duchess of edinburgh has given her heahheii— duchess of edinburgh has given her heartfelt thoughts and prayers— her heartfelt thoughts and prayers ia— her heartfelt thoughts and prayers ie a— her heartfelt thoughts and prayers to a woman in her 80s in her prayers to a woman in her 80s in he see— prayers to a woman in her 80s in he see whe— prayers to a woman in her 80s in her 80s who was— prayers to a woman in her 80s in her 80s who was hit— prayers to a woman in her 80s in her 80s who was hit by a police heieihihe— her 80s who was hit by a police motorbike escorting the royal. ihe— motorbike escorting the royal. ihe wei— motorbike escorting the royal. the met police— motorbike escorting the royal. the met police says the eeiiieieh— the met police says the collision took- the met police says the collision took place yesterday in collision took place yesterday ih haw-e— collision took place yesterday in earl's court— collision took place yesterday in earl's court in— collision took place yesterday in earl's court in west london. hwehihahah — in earl's court in west london. buckingham palace is saying the duchess— buckingham palace is saying the duchess ie— buckingham palace is saying the duchess is grateful for the

with— duchess is grateful for the swift response— duchess is grateful for the swift response by the emergency services,— swift response by the emergency services, including _ swift response by the emergency services, including the air ahiwiahee— services, including the air ahiwiahee .— services, including the air ambulance . the woman remains in ambulance. the woman remains in ambulance. the woman remains in aeiiiieai— ambulance. the woman remains in a critical condition— ambulance. the woman remains in a critical condition in heepiiai— a critical condition in hospital. please typekit have appointed— hospital. please typekit have appointed clear— hospital. please typekit have appointed clear griffith eiihiih— appointed clear griffith griffith rather as interim ieaiei. — griffith rather as interim ieaiei. ii— griffith rather as interim leader. it follows the resignation- leader. it follows the resignation of adam price last hiahi— resignation of adam price last hiahi ahea— resignation of adam price last highi ahei a— resignation of adam price last night after a report into the weieh— night after a report into the welsh nationalist party culture. the welsh nationalist party culture. ihe hepari— welsh nationalist party culture. the report found— welsh nationalist party culture. the report found the party had haiiei— the report found the party had haiiei ia— the report found the party had failed to implement a zero ieieiahee— failed to implement a zero tolerance approach to sexual haaeehehi— tolerance approach to sexual harassment, bullying and hieeewhw— harassment, bullying and hieeewhw .— harassment, bullying and misogyny . the appointment will misogyny. the appointment will be misogyny. the appointment will he ewhieei— misogyny. the appointment will he ewhieei ia— misogyny. the appointment will be subject to ratification by he— be subject to ratification by ihe haw-e— be subject to ratification by the party's national council on saiwiaw. — the party's national council on saiwiaw. aha— the party's national council on saturday. and lastly, the bbc hae— saturday. and lastly, the bbc has fawni— saturday. and lastly, the bbc has found there— saturday. and lastly, the bbc has found there were no concerns ahewi— has found there were no concerns ahewi hiehawi— has found there were no concerns about richard sharp's integrity whiiei— about richard sharp's integrity whiiei he— about richard sharp's integrity whilst he was— about richard sharp's integrity whilst he was chairman of the hieaieaeieh— whilst he was chairman of the broadcaster, a— whilst he was chairman of the broadcaster, a bbc conflicts of hieieei— broadcaster, a bbc conflicts of interest review— broadcaster, a bbc conflicts of interest review was commissioned heiiewihe— interest review was commissioned heiiewiha iii— interest review was commissioned following mr sharp's resignation hem— following mr sharp's resignation from he— following mr sharp's resignation from the corporation in april ahea— from the corporation in april ahei he— from the corporation in april ahei he wa— from the corporation in april after he was found to have hieaehei— after he was found to have breached the— after he was found to have breached the rules for public appeihihehie— breached the rules for public appeihihehie .— breached the rules for public appointments . you're up to date appointments. you're up to date on appointments. you're up to date an iv— appointments. you're up to date an iv ohiihe— appointments. you're up to date on tv online dab+_ appointments. you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and the whe— on tv online dab+ radio and the iwhe ih— on tv online dab+ radio and the iwhe ih aah.— on tv online dab+ radio and the tune in app. you're— on tv online dab+ radio and the tune in app. you're with gb newe— tune in app. you're with gb wewe. wow— tune in app. you're with gb news. now back to .

news. now back to. michelle ihahhe— news. now back to. michelle ihahhe hei— news. now back to. michelle thanks for that— news. now back to. michelle thanks for that ,_ news. now back to. michelle thanks for that , polly. thanks for that, polly. i'm iiieheiie— thanks for that, polly. i'm michelle dewberry and keeping me company right through tonight is zuby the rapper and broadcaster and social media extraordinaire. that's what i'll call you tonight, i think also alongside him, kevin craig, the ceo of plymouth communications. welcome back, kevin. you know the drill, don't you ? it's not just about don't you? it's not just about us three here. it's about you at home. what's on your mind tonight? looking forward to tonight's some of tonight's show. actually some of these really feel these topics. i really do feel strongly think you strongly about. i think you might as well. gb views. gbnews.uk is how you reach me on email or tweet me at gb news. now let's get straight in. are you married? do you think it's important to be married? and what does marriage actually mean to ? i can't help but notice to you? i can't help but notice actually that when it comes to marriages in this country, it's in decline . the numbers are very in decline. the numbers are very much in decline. for example, they to record levels in they fell to record levels in 2020. also as well, divorce

rates, they're not great either. let me start with you on this, zuby. let me start with you on this, zuby . how let me start with you on this, zuby. how important do you think marriage is within society ? i marriage is within society? i think it's incredibly, incredibly- think it's incredibly, incredibly important at the hahiiw— incredibly important at the hahiiw ie— incredibly important at the family is the— incredibly important at the family is the primary unit of a heaiihw— family is the primary unit of a healthy society— family is the primary unit of a healthy society and nation . i healthy society and nation. i ihihh— healthy society and nation. i ihihh ih— healthy society and nation. i think in many— healthy society and nation. i think in many western societies , as a hei— think in many western societies , as a iei eh— think in many western societies , as a lot of focus— think in many western societies , as a lot of focus is on the individua— , as a lot of focus is on the individual, which- , as a lot of focus is on the individual, which is a good wine— individual, which is a good ihiha ih— individual, which is a good thing in many— individual, which is a good thing in many ways, but as individualistic— thing in many ways, but as individualistic as we may be and as ihhehahi— individualistic as we may be and as impehahi ae— individualistic as we may be and as important as individual highe— as important as individual iighie ae— as important as individual rights are, we— as important as individual rights are, we are also all parie— rights are, we are also all pahe eh— rights are, we are also all pahe of a— rights are, we are also all parts of a family. we don't just owi— parts of a family. we don't just ewi eh— parts of a family. we don't just come out of nowhere. and so in herme— come out of nowhere. and so in iehhe eh— come out of nowhere. and so in iehhe of ihe— come out of nowhere. and so in terms of the children and ehiiiieh— terms of the children and children growing up to become hwheiiehihe— children growing up to become functioning adults in a society ihai— functioning adults in a society ihai marriage— functioning adults in a society that marriage structure for is iheieiihiw— that marriage structure for is incredibly important for the ehiiiheei— incredibly important for the childhood develop moment. and so i childhood develop moment. and so iihihh— childhood develop moment. and so iihihh eh— childhood develop moment. and so iihihh ah ah— childhood develop moment. and so i think on of course,— childhood develop moment. and so i think on of course, marriage is geod— i think on of course, marriage is good hei— i think on of course, marriage is good for the— i think on of course, marriage is good for the individuals iweiweei— is good for the individuals involved, but— is good for the individuals involved, but i— is good for the individuals involved, but i think for for he— involved, but i think for for the children— involved, but i think for for the children specifically , it's the children specifically, it's iheieiihiw— the children specifically, it's incredibly important. and so i

ihihh— incredibly important. and so i ihihh a— incredibly important. and so i think a breakdown in the family whi— think a breakdown in the family whii ih— think a breakdown in the family unit in various— think a breakdown in the family unit in various ways, which has been— unit in various ways, which has been happening— unit in various ways, which has been happening over the decades , is he— been happening over the decades ,ie ihe primary— been happening over the decades , is the primary cause is the hei— , is the primary cause is the root cause of— , is the primary cause is the root cause of so— , is the primary cause is the root cause of so many other iewheiieah — root cause of so many other downstream problems . jizzi downstream problems. do you agree— downstream problems. do you agree with— downstream problems. do you agree with that— downstream problems. do you agree with that ? which- downstream problems. j:::r agiznz; 7’ which bit downstream problems. j:::r agizrz 7’ which bit about agree with that? which bit about aeiwaiiw— agree with that? which bit about aeiwaiiw ihe — agree with that? which bit about actually the decline— agree with that? which bit about actually the decline is- agizrz m7 which bit about actually the decline is the reare— actually the decline is the reeie ih— actually the decline is the roots in some— actually the decline is the roots in some ways of lots of ihe— roots in some ways of lots of ihe ieeiihe— roots in some ways of lots of the decline in— roots in some ways of lots of the decline in society? i think a rer— the decline in society? i think a hat ai— the decline in society? i think a hr of whar— the decline in society? i think a lot of what zibby says, i agree with and i think family is really important. i'm more relaxed about— really important. i'm more relaxed about what- ”cellar i'm more relaxed about what that family reeke— relaxed about what that family ieehe ihe— relaxed about what that family looks like because i believe ihere-e— looks like because i believe ihere-e iwe— looks like because i believe there's two unmarried parents on this there's two unmarried parents on his hahei— there's two unmarried parents on this panel tonight,— there's two unmarried parents on this panel tonight, am i right? yes this panel tonight, am i right? he — this panel tonight, am i right? he yeah.— this panel tonight, am i right? he veah. ih— this panel tonight, am i right? yes yeah. i'm not— this panel tonight, am i right? yes “43?" : are yes yeah. i'm not married. are we bad? are we are— yes yeah. i'm not married. are we bad? are we are our- yes “43?" : are we bad? are we are our kids at risk— we bad? are we are our kids at risk e — we bad? are we are our kids at risk e war.— we bad? are we are our kids at risk 7 well, it— we bad? are we are our kids at risk ? well, it depends- we bad? are we are our kids at risk ? e 3: ” risk? well, it depends at risk of what i think . i think the of what i think. i think the issues that zuby highlighted. well, i think actually, when people do get married, one of the things that i worry about actually, is that marriage seems to be so easy come easy go. and actually a lot of people do tend to lot of marriages . mick to have a lot of marriages. mick jagger yeah, i'm not sure i'd be

quite keen on that. so for me personally, i would like to think that a marriage is, you know, as you can for know, as best as you can for life if possible. one of the things that would worry me, though some people get into marriages they you marriages obe and they are, you know, marriages and all know, abusive marriages and all the of it actually the rest of it and actually staying in those marriages can perhaps more harm children perhaps do more harm to children than good. yeah, there's no aweeiieh— than good. yeah, there's no question about— than good. yeah, there's no question about that- 3: yeah, there's no question about that . exceptions question about that. exceptions aiwawe— question about that. exceptions aiwawe exiei. — question about that. exceptions always exist. but— question about that. exceptions always exist. but i— question about that. exceptions always exist. but i think one of the always exist. but i think one of ihe big— always exist. but i think one of the big problems— always exist. but i think one of the big problems we have in a lot the big problems we have in a iei er— the big problems we have in a lot of conversations is using exeepiieae— lot of conversations is using exceptions, everything exceptions, forming everything aerat— exceptions, forming everything aewwi ihe— exceptions, forming everything around the exceptions. so no one is around the exceptions. so no one ie sawing— around the exceptions. so no one is saying rhai— around the exceptions. so no one is saying that it's— around the exceptions. so no one is saying that it's good for, of course , there's— is saying that it's good for, of course , there's a— is saying that it's good for, of course , there's a cases of course, there's a cases of aweeh— course, there's a cases of abuse, violence,- course, there's a cases of abuse, violence, that kind of shah— abuse, violence, that kind of eiwh is— abuse, violence, that kind of stuff is awful— abuse, violence, that kind of stuff is awful ._ abuse, violence, that kind of stuff is awful . i— abuse, violence, that kind of stuff is awful . i don't see stuff is awful. i don't see anyone— stuff is awful. i don't see anyone advocating saying that ihai— anyone advocating saying that ihai sheari— anyone advocating saying that that should be— anyone advocating saying that that should be normalised or heede— that should be normalised or peepie sheari— that should be normalised or people should be forced into iheee— people should be forced into rheee whe— people should be forced into rheee type er— people should be forced into those type of situations at all. howee— those type of situations at all. however there _ those type of situations at all. however there it's— those type of situations at all. however there it's very well known — however there it's very well known and — however there it's very well known and very— however there it's very well known and very i mean entirely hacked— known and very i mean entirely haehei hw— known and very i mean entirely backed by both— known and very i mean entirely backed by both data and common ihai— backed by both data and common ha a— backed by both data and common sense that a solid,— backed by both data and common sense that a solid, healthy marriage— sense that a solid, healthy marriage and— sense that a solid, healthy marriage and familial situation is he—

marriage and familial situation is ihe opiirhai— marriage and familial situation is the optimal situation and all oiher— is the optimal situation and all oiher rhines— is the optimal situation and all other things being equal for a chira— other things being equal for a ehiii io— other things being equal for a ehiii io grow— other things being equal for a child to grow up— other things being equal for a child to grow up in. that's not sawho— child to grow up in. that's not saying rhai— child to grow up in. that's not saying ha a— child to grow up in. that's not saying that a child that doesn't grow— saying that a child that doesn't grow wh— saying that a child that doesn't grow up ih— saying that a child that doesn't grow up in rhai— saying that a child that doesn't grow up in that situation is going— grow up in that situation is going io— grow up in that situation is going ro go— grow up in that situation is going to 90 off_ grow up in that situation is going to go off and become a orirhihai— going to go off and become a erirhihai or— going to go off and become a criminal or something like that. but criminal or something like that. ear-io— criminal or something like that. hwiiio hhow— criminal or something like that. but-do know that- criminal or something like that. but do know that the vast but we do know that the vast haioriiw— but we do know that the vast haiorirwlrheh— but we do know that the vast majority men, example , majority of men, for example, who— majority of men, for example, who-ih— majority of men, for example, who-h prison— majority of men, for example, who-in prison are- majority of men, for example, who in prison are from a who are in prison are from a raiherieee— who are in prison are from a fatherless homes. we that fatherless homes. we know that the -fatherlessness - fatherless homes. we know that the fatherlessness in the rates of fatherlessness in pariiewiar. — the rates of fatherlessness in parriewiar. so— the rates of fatherlessness in particular. so that's somewhat eeharaie— particular. so that's somewhat eeparaie from — particular. so that's somewhat separate from marriage. but it's eiiii— separate from marriage. but it's still connected— separate from marriage. but it's still connected in— separate from marriage. but it's still connected in many cases, fatherlessness— still connected in many cases, fatherlessness in— still connected in many cases, fatherlessness in particular is a giganiie— fatherlessness in particular is agigahrie. wow— fatherlessness in particular is a gigantic. now that's a great point— a gigantic. now that's a great point, michelle.— a gigantic. now that's a great point, michelle. _ a gigantic. now that's a great point, michelle. i think that's a really strong we've certainly seen that a lot in this country that the often and i will caveat again because some of the best parents i know are single mothers who brought up their kids wonderfully. but there is a real and often actually real problem and often actually in cities, young black men in big cities, young black men have suffered absent have suffered from absent fathers and a lack of a real male role model. so i think there's something really in that, you know, and i respect people for whom marriage is really important. but interestingly , in our own interestingly, in our own country, as you said, massively in decline. and i think where i

really strongly agree is that lots of our society's problems are down to bad parenting, whether it's two of them or one of them, you know, it's that old thing about you don't need a licence to have a child, but you do to have a dog, you know, it's the most precious gift that people can have. and children are let down by parents are are let down by parents who are more the marriage more relaxed about the marriage thing. but i share concerns about lack of father about the lack of a father figure. about religion figure. so what about religion then? do you think plays then? do you think that plays anv— then? do you think that plays any-ih— then? do you think that plays ahw-ih ihie— then? do you think that plays any-in this decline?- any role in this decline? heeawee— any role in this decline? becausellot- any role in this decline? because lot less people because a lot less people howaaawe— because a lot less people nowadays are _ because a lot less people nowadays are defining themselves by by— nowadays are defining themselves by by any— nowadays are defining themselves by by any religion-— nowadays are defining themselves by by any religion. quite rrahhiw— by by any religion. quite frankly, we're— by by any religion. quite frankly, we're not as religious as a eoeieiw— frankly, we're not as religious as a eoeieiw ae— frankly, we're not as religious as a society, as we once were. no— as a society, as we once were. do you— as a society, as we once were. ho woe ihihh— as a society, as we once were. do you think that's- as a society, as we once were. do you think that's important? hoes—or- do you think that's important? does—of course. do you think that's important? does—of course itj does that matter? of course it haiiere— does that matter? of course it haiierelir-s— does that matter? of course it matters i it's directly- does that matter? of course it matters c r: ”rzinzccyr ci: does that matter? of course it matters r: cit r:;r: matters. it's directly tied to it. it's tied to both the divorce situation. it's tied to the concept of marriage itself , the concept of marriage itself, i mean, to religious people. the marriage itself is a religious it's a religious institute, ocean. and the honest truth is and it pains me to say this, i'm

and it pains me to say this, i'm a christian myself, but from a totally secular perspective , if totally secular perspective, if i put myself in the mindset of someone who is non—religious and i empathise in that point, then the way it's currently set up in terms of the incentive structure , marriage is not well incentivised , if you like. tax incentivised, if you like. tax benefits. yeah yeah. what i mean is if you are, if you are not a religious person, if you're not a religious person, then in this day and age, given the way it's structured with the government and even societal and cultural incentives, you could make a strong case that it doesn't make that much sense to get married and you could just cohabitate with someone and be in a long term relationship and whatever, not involved term relationship and whatever, no all involved term relationship and whatever, no all that. involved term relationship and whatever, no all that. so involved term relationship and whatever, no all that. so i involved term relationship and whatever, no all that. so i do involved term relationship and whatever, no all that. so i do totally lolved in all that. so i do totally understand why this decline in is happening. so i don't think the good, but i can the decline is good, but i can totally why it's totally understand why it's happening. it's not some, it's not some surprise me at all. not some surprise to me at all. do you think religion is imporiahi— do you think religion is important in,- do you think religion is important in, uh, are you reiigiowee— important in, uh, are you reiigiowee — important in, uh, are you religious? by- important in, uh, are you religious? 5g important in, uh, are you religious? by the way, i've brought a catholic and my brought up a catholic and my kids catholic schools kids went to catholic schools till and i loved, till they were 11. and i loved, you know, my was very

you know, my pay was very important my parents before important to my parents before they passed away. i'm personally , such a strong , i don't have such a strong faith and i thought that i faith. and i thought that i think religious schools often are for just teaching are brilliant for just teaching children good people. children how to be good people. you think it's you know, i think it's important. but but i think interestingly , in this country, interestingly, in this country, i would say our government does incentivise you to get married. you've got a lot of international experience, more than i have. but here you're still it is financially your you're better off for all sorts of reasons to be married, which is why people often get hitched with the invitation sponsored by hmrc. hm. with the invitation sponsored by hmrc. hm . interesting. i wasn't hmrc. hm. interesting. iwasn't or— hmrc. hm. interesting. iwasn't or ihai. — hmrc. hm. interesting. iwasn't aware of that. yeah.— ii?c hm. interesting. iwasn't aware of that. yeah. and i~i3c hm. interesting. iwasn't aware of that. yeah. and what do you— aware of that. yeah. and what do you ihihh— aware of that. yeah. and what do you think about? _ aware of that. yeah. and what do you think about? f you think about? because, you know.— you think about? because, you know, there seems to be such a prevalence of gang culture at the moment. and yes, i know people will get in touch and say, oh, michel, gangs have always been around all always been around and all the rest it. get that. but you rest of it. i get that. but you know, to me it feels like a week, a month or whatever, doesn't without a story of doesn't go by without a story of some young kid almost almost a

young knifed to death young kid being knifed to death normally daylight , by normally in broad daylight, by the and then it transpires the way. and then it transpires that a lot of people are often in gangs then i'll hear in gangs and then i'll hear people well, that's because people say, well, that's because , know, the death of the , as you know, the death of the father or they're from father at home or they're from a so—and—so family or whatever. but an but do you think that's an excuse don't a excuse if you don't have a father or whatever, off you go, not a gang. it's not an excuse, hai— not a gang. it's not an excuse, hwi ire— not a gang. it's not an excuse, hwi he a— not a gang. it's not an excuse, but it's a these— not a gang. it's not an excuse, but it's a these things- g g it's not an excuse, but it's a these things are very errohgiw— but it's a these things are very strongly correlated. the truth but it's a these things are very strrasjly correlated. the truth but it's a these things are very strr as aj correlated. the truth but it's a these things are very strr as a young ated. the truth but it's a these things are very strras a young man the truth but it's a these things are very strras a young man grows uth but it's a these things are very stras a young man grows up as is, as a young man grows up as you— is, as a young man grows up as you go— is, as a young man grows up as you go hom— is, as a young man grows up as you go from a— is, as a young man grows up as you go from a how— is, as a young man grows up as you go from a boy to a man, you are you go from a boy to a man, you goihg— you go from a boy to a man, you goihg io— you go from a boy to a man, you are going to look— you go from a boy to a man, you are going to look for— are going to look for a masculine— are going to look for a masculine role model. you're going— masculine role model. you're goihgliooh— masculine role model. you're goihgliooh hor— masculine role model. you're going-look for a- masculine role model. you're going look for a father going to look for a father figure— going to look for a father figure somewhere. ideally, that is figure somewhere. ideally, that ie-raiher.— figure somewhere. ideally, that is-father. yeah.- figure somewhere. ideally, that is father. yeah. and figure somewhere. ideally, that is older father. yeah. and figure somewhere. ideally, that is older brothers, yeah. and figure somewhere. ideally, that is older brothers, uncles,nd any older brothers, uncles, granigareaie— any older brothers, uncles, grandparents, anyone got, any older brothers, uncles, grthat arents, anyone got, any older brothers, uncles, grthat isents, anyone got, any older brothers, uncles, grthat is not. anyone got, any older brothers, uncles, grthat is not around; got, any older brothers, uncles, grthat is not around and got, if that is not around and eepeeiaiiw— if that is not around and especially if— if that is not around and especially if you're in a eohrhwhiw— especially if you're in a community where it's not just one's own father— community where it's not just one's own father that's missing, but one's own father that's missing, hwi eeh— one's own father that's missing, hwi ihe— one's own father that's missing, but even the friends and people wow-re— but even the friends and people yoe hahgihg— but even the friends and people you're hanging out with their raihere—ihel fathers are also not in the worrie— fathers are also not in the picture, then _ fathers are also not in the picture, then people are going to picture, then people are going io rook— picture, then people are going to look somewhere in certain to look somewhere and in certain hher— to look somewhere and in certain inner-communities- to look somewhere and in certain inner communities in inner city communities in pariiewiar— inner city communities in particular,-not- inner city communities in particular, not unique particular, it's not unique to he— particular, it's not unique to ihe-ai— particular, it's not unique to ihe-ah aii. — particular, it's not unique to the-at all. all- particular, it's not unique to the at all. all over the the uk at all. all over the worri— the uk at all. all over the world there _ the uk at all. all over the world there are- the uk at all. all over the world there are gangs who intentionally— world there are gangs who intentionally recruit young men who—

intentionally recruit young men who ae— intentionally recruit young men who are looking— intentionally recruit young men who are looking for that masculine— who are looking for that masculine role model for that raiher— masculine role model for that hiherhigwe— masculine role model for that father figure. and these organisations- father figure. and these organisations will target young reorie— organisations will target young geogie, orien— organisations will target young people, often not— organisations will target young people, often not even ieeaagere— people, often not even teenagers, sometimes, you know, ore—reehe— teenagers, sometimes, you know, ore—reehe ,— teenagers, sometimes, you know, ore—reehe , ii— teenagers, sometimes, you know, pre—reehe , ii or— teenagers, sometimes, you know, pre—teens , 11 or 12,— teenagers, sometimes, you know, pre—teens , 11 or 12, and they'll pre—teens, 11 or 12, and they'll alb— pre—teens, 11 or 12, and they'll at, you— pre—teens, 11 or 12, and they'll gr, you know,— pre—teens, 11 or 12, and they'll all, you know, bring bring them in all, you know, bring bring them ih aha— all, you know, bring bring them in and initiate— all, you know, bring bring them in and initiate them into these ihihge— in and initiate them into these ihihge aha— in and initiate them into these hinge and ii— in and initiate them into these things and it causes this this giahi— things and it causes this this giahi rheee— things and it causes this this giahi .— things and it causes this this giant mess . so— things and it causes this this giant mess . so the absence of giant mess. so the absence of hiherhoori— giant mess. so the absence of fatherhood, the _ giant mess. so the absence of fatherhood, the familial breakdown _ fatherhood, the familial breakdown ,_ fatherhood, the familial breakdown , all those things are breakdown, all those things are iihiewii— breakdown, all those things are difficult for— breakdown, all those things are difficult for people to talk aboar— difficult for people to talk about because _ difficult for people to talk about because everyone's got all sorre— about because everyone's got all eorie or— about because everyone's got all sorts of different— about because everyone's got all sorts of different types of gereohai— sorts of different types of personal and— sorts of different types of personal and family situations. but personal and family situations. hwi ir— personal and family situations. hwi .. you— personal and family situations. but if you look— personal and family situations. but if you look at— personal and family situations. but if you look at the at the rooi— but if you look at the at the rooi or— but if you look at the at the rooi or g,— but if you look at the at the root of it, it's— but if you look at the at the root of it, it's very, very eiear— root of it, it's very, very clear that— root of it, it's very, very clear that that- root of it, it's very, very clear that that is the problem. people— clear that that is the problem. reogie roare— clear that that is the problem. people focus on— clear that that is the problem. people focus on the tools. people— people focus on the tools. people focus— people focus on the tools. people focus on- people focus on the tools. people focus on the tools. people focus on the knives in he— people focus on the knives in ihe-ir— people focus on the knives in ihe-h yore— people focus on the knives in the-if you're in- people focus on the knives in the if you're in the us, the uk, if you're in the us, ire— the uk, if you're in the us, he he— the uk, if you're in the us, it's the conversation, but it's the same conversation, but it's the same conversation, but ire-we— it's the same conversation, but ire-we ari— it's the same conversation, but it's-we all have- it's the same conversation, but it's we all have access to it's guns. we all have access to ready— it's guns. we all have access to ieaiiy weapons— it's guns. we all have access to deadly weapons, we all have knives.— deadly weapons, we all have hniwes. every— deadly weapons, we all have knives. every single person, every— knives. every single person, ewery aiwii— knives. every single person, every adult in— knives. every single person, every adult in the uk has access to every adult in the uk has access io hniwes. — every adult in the uk has access io hniwes. we— every adult in the uk has access to knives. we have— every adult in the uk has access to knives. we have them in our hiiehens.— to knives. we have them in our hiiehens. ihe— to knives. we have them in our kitchens. the question why? kitchens. the question is why? whar— kitchens. the question is why? whai—eawsing- what is it that's causing increasing— what is it that's causing increasing amounts young increasing amounts of young peopie— increasing amounts of young peopie, young— increasing amounts of young people, young men in particular, to people, young men in particular, io-io— people, young men in particular, io-io harr— people, young men in particular, io-io hwri ani— people, young men in particular, to-to hurt and kill- people, young men in particular, to to hurt and kill each to want to hurt and kill each oiher— to want to hurt and kill each oiher-noi— to want to hurt and kill each other-not value- to want to hurt and kill each other not value life in other and to not value life in

he— other and to not value life in he way— other and to not value life in he way ihai— other and to not value life in the way that they should? “43?" the way that they should? yeah. you the way that they should? yeah. voa say— the way that they should? yeah. you say anar— the way that they should? yeah. you say that we— the way that they should? yeah. you say that we all— the way that they should? yeah. you say that we all have access to kitchen knives and all the rest it, actually you've rest of it, and actually you've just prompted a thought my just prompted a thought in my mind because i saw this video and got i'll play and i've i've got it. i'll play it because when we're it for you because when we're talking the talking about knives, the kind of knives these people are of knives that these people are running around with at the moment, they're not your standard, steak standard, you know, a steak knife whatever. got this knife or whatever. i've got this video. i get because video. can i get it up? because it blew my mind this. so this is a video. and if you're listening, not watching, i'll describe you. some describe it to you. so it's some to me looks like quite a to me it looks like quite a young lad and he's getting stopped and searched by two undercover coppers. and what they of guy's they pull out of this guy's pants, basically, it's like a i accept . i'm not expert in accept. i'm not an expert in huge knives, so i might describe it wrongly, but i'll say what i see. it's a cross between, like, a machete and some kind of, like, samurai sword or something. and this kid because he is a kid, i've seen it on blurred. i blurred it obviously for confidentiality but blurred. i blurred it obviously for

gone out to get their mitts on one of those things in my mind, purely to cause harm. but i mean, regrettably- purely to cause harm. but i mean, regrettably ,- f but i mean, regrettably , that sort of mean, regrettably, that sort of siiwaiion— mean, regrettably, that sort of situation has— mean, regrettably, that sort of situation has been common, eeriainiy— situation has been common, eeriainiy in— situation has been common, certainly in our— situation has been common, certainly in our major cities for paire— certainly in our major cities for quite some— certainly in our major cities for quite some time. there is a prohien— for quite some time. there is a prohien ana— for quite some time. there is a problem and there— for quite some time. there is a problem and there have been aiienpis— problem and there have been airenprs hy— problem and there have been attempts by several governments to attempts by several governments io reaiiy— attempts by several governments to really tackle— attempts by several governments to really tackle knife crime . to really tackle knife crime. ani— to really tackle knife crime. and its— to really tackle knife crime. and it's social— to really tackle knife crime. and it's social media exposes ihese— and it's social media exposes these incidents— and it's social media exposes these incidents more widely and more powerfully— these incidents more widely and more powerfully than before. har— more powerfully than before. has then— more powerfully than before. has rhen so— more powerfully than before. has rhen so i— more powerfully than before. but then so i see— more powerfully than before. but then so i see stuff- more powerfully than before. but then so i see stuff like that. and when i see that i want more, stop and search conducted on the streets , i want more of on the streets, i want more of those because to me they look like murder weapons. they're not they're knife or they're not a casual knife or whatever to me, whatever they are. to me, a deadly weapon that someone if you've got that your you've got that in your trousers, you're doing that to scare someone, to hurt someone, to kill someone. i want more searched , not less. well, people searched, not less. well, people then get upset about stop and search need to be search and say you need to be doing stop and search and doing less, stop and search and all of it. well some of all the rest of it. well some of us have got very big personal experience this. yeah, well, experience of this. yeah, well, i experience of this. yeah, well, i ihinh— experience of this. yeah, well, i ihinh-ihe — experience of this. yeah, well, i think -the knife- i think with the knife situation,— i think with the knife situation, what's interesting is

if situation, what's interesting is ir-irawei— situation, what's interesting is ir-irawei io — situation, what's interesting is if-travel to many- situation, what's interesting is if travel to many european if you travel to many european oownriesi— if you travel to many european countries,_knives| countries, you can buy knives ana— countries, you can buy knives aha-sons— countries, you can buy knives aha-sons or— countries, you can buy knives and sorts of weapons very, and all sorts of weapons very, very— and all sorts of weapons very, very-pwhiie. - and all sorts of weapons very, very-pwhiie. ii- and all sorts of weapons very, very-public. if youj and all sorts of weapons very,- very-public. if you go very openly in public. if you go to very openly in public. if you go roe-ii— very openly in public. if you go ro-ii yea— very openly in public. if you go ro-ii you go— very openly in public. if you go ro-ii you go ro- very openly in public. if you go to if you go to czech to greece, if you go to czech republic, they're just sold out that can get giant machetes, that you can get giant machetes, things yeah, bigger things like that. yeah, bigger ones, and obviously ones, even. and obviously if you're the usa, can you you're in the usa, you can you can handguns, rifles. and can buy handguns, rifles. and so on. that while that on. the thing is that while that knife looks scary, it's it's knife looks scary, it's no, it's not really any more dangerous than massive kitchen knife. than a massive kitchen knife. right. it's right. the problem is it's a problem of the heart. it's a problem of the heart. it's a problem of the heart. it's a problem of morality. it's a problem of morality. it's a problem of morality. it's a problem of someone wanting to go out there and kill someone, whether they do it with big whether they do it with a big knife butcher's knife or knife or a butcher's knife or whatever weapon they to me, whatever weapon they use. to me, the is kind of irrelevant the weapon is kind of irrelevant . in terms of the stop and . but in terms of the stop and search situation , then think search situation, then i think stop and search is such a it's such a messy arnie it's a very messy policy because i think how it is applied and how it's executed is so incredibly important. if it is something thatis important. if it is something that is just, oh, okay, that person fits a profile. okay, we're looking for, you know, black men between the ages of 14

and 22 who look like that age or , you know, anyone wearing a hoodie or any, you know, if it's done that broadly, all that's going to happen is you're going to create animosity and resentment and more distrust of police within certain communities , as if you're in an communities, as if you're in an area, if it's something that gangs fighting and you say if it's it's you've got if it's it's if it's you've got if it's known. okay. i mean, oftentimes police gang members police know who gang members are. like, okay, we know are. if it's like, okay, we know that these there's these rival gangs, is in these gangs, we know who is in these gangs, we know who is in these gangs, we've arrested them previously off these other charges. and those are the people being targeted. people who are being targeted. i think a very, very think that's a very, very different situation rather than just i just doing it very broadly. i think i think with think i just think with something like stop and search, it's got be done. it has to it's got to be done. it has to be done correctly. it has to really be done correctly. it can't random thing. can't just be a random thing. and no one likes to just if and no, no one likes to just if you're walking around in london and just you and and the police just stop you and start you asking start frisking you and asking you you've drugs or you if you've got drugs or weapons, not it's not a weapons, it's not it's not a nice experience. no, i can imagine it's not nice. in fairness to those guys, by the

way,— fairness to those guys, by the way, on — fairness to those guys, by the way, on he — fairness to those guys, by the way, on the video— fairness to those guys, by the way, on the video that i showed you,— way, on the video that i showed yowlwaiehei— way, on the video that i showed you, watched whole thing you, i watched the whole thing ana— you, i watched the whole thing anwaa-s— you, i watched the whole thing anwai-s paire- you, i watched the whole thing and was quite struck and i actually was quite struck by how— and i actually was quite struck by how respectful— and i actually was quite struck by how respectful they were. they— by how respectful they were. they -checking - by how respectful they were. they checking on guy. they was checking on the guy. vow— they was checking on the guy. vow-righ— they was checking on the guy. vow-righi-aii- they was checking on the guy. you-right.-all the- they was checking on the guy. you right. all the rest you are right. and all the rest of you are right. and all the rest ohlanyway— you are right. and all the rest of.anyway, back- you are right. and all the rest of anyway, back the of it. anyway, back to the marriage— of it. anyway, back to the marriage-dan- of it. anyway, back to the marriage-dan i love marriage point. dan says, i love being— marriage point. dan says, i love heing harried.— marriage point. dan says, i love being married. i've— marriage point. dan says, i love being married. i've been rogeiher— being married. i've been together 1990, married together since 1990, married sine— together since 1990, married snesas-y- together since 1990, married since - says, -wife since 1999. he says, my wife eaies— since 1999. he says, my wifei creates—constant creates stability and constant heawiy— creates stability and constant heawiy in— creates stability and constant heawry in my— creates stability and constant beauty in my life. i like that. isn-i— beauty in my life. i like that. isn-i ihai— beauty in my life. i like that. isn't that nice,— beauty in my life. i like that. isn't that nice, janet says. rye— isn't that nice, janet says. ive been— isn't that nice, janet says. i've been married for 55 years ani— i've been married for 55 years and in— i've been married for 55 years and in in— i've been married for 55 years and in in ii— i've been married for 55 years and i'm in it for— i've been married for 55 years and i'm in it for the long haul. vow— and i'm in it for the long haul. you say— and i'm in it for the long haul. you say he— and i'm in it for the long haul. you say the problem you think ihese— you say the problem you think ihese hays— you say the problem you think ihese days is— you say the problem you think these days is that— you say the problem you think these days is that kids are too sehish— these days is that kids are too sehish io— these days is that kids are too selfish to commit— these days is that kids are too selfish to commit to honour and respeei— selfish to commit to honour and respeei eaeh — selfish to commit to honour and respect each other— selfish to commit to honour and respect each other ._ selfish to commit to honour and respect each other . another respect each other. another human— respect each other. another human being— respect each other. another human being for the entirety of hen— human being for the entirety of iheir hoes.— human being for the entirety of their lives. i'm— human being for the entirety of their lives. i'm not— human being for the entirety of their lives. i'm not married , by their lives. i'm not married, by he— their lives. i'm not married, by he way,— their lives. i'm not married, by he way, hai— their lives. i'm not married, by ihe way, hwi ir— their lives. i'm not married, by the way, but if i— their lives. i'm not married, by the way, but if i was ever going to the way, but if i was ever going io gei— the way, but if i was ever going ro ger mg...— the way, but if i was ever going to get married, i— the way, but if i was ever going to get married, i would never repeai— to get married, i would never repeai ihai— to get married, i would never repeat that vow. _ to get married, i would never repeat that vow. you know where it's repeat that vow. you know where its-honour— repeat that vow. you know where it's-honour and— repeat that vow. you know where it's honour and obey. it's love, honour and obey. newer— it's love, honour and obey. never in— it's love, honour and obey. never in a— it's love, honour and obey. never in a month. i wouldn't. never in a month. iwouldn't. i wowiin-i— never in a month. i wouldn't. i wowiin-i .— never in a month. i wouldn't. i wouldn't . never.— never in a month. i wouldn't. i wouldn't. never. in a month of sineays— wouldn't. never. in a month of sundays would— wouldn't. never. in a month of sundays would i— wouldn't. never. in a month of sundays would i pledge to obey sonehoiy— sundays would i pledge to obey somebody else. _ sundays would i pledge to obey somebody else. i— sundays would i pledge to obey somebody else. i mean, what do you— somebody else. i mean, what do you rhinh— somebody else. i mean, what do you ihinh ii— somebody else. i mean, what do you think it is?— somebody else. i mean, what do you think it is? i— somebody else. i mean, what do you think it is? i absolutely womanh— you think it is? i absolutely wouldn't. would you ? wouldn't. would you? i'm a man. i wouldn't. would you? i'm a man. i ion-r— wouldn't. would you? i'm a man. i ion-r hare— wouldn't. would you? i'm a man. i don't have to obey. oh, do wouldn't. would you? cjsj" c oh, do men i don't have to obey. oh, do men not i don't have to obey. oh, do men nor have— i don't have to obey. oh, do men nor have io— i don't have to obey. oh, do men nor have io say— i don't have to obey. oh, do men not have to say that— i don't have to obey. oh, do men not have to say that bit?- cjsj" c oh, do men not have to say that bit? you reu— not have to say that bit? you

can tell what— not have to say that bit? you can tell what i— not have to say that bit? you can tell what i know about nanaeg— can tell what i know about nanaeg so— can tell what i know about marriage. so we're about to g...— marriage. so we're about to start disagreeing marriage. so we're about to- start disagreeing-i think start disagreeing here. i think its.— start disagreeing here. i think its-an— start disagreeing here. i think its-an oin— start disagreeing here. i think it's. an old fashioned it's. that's an old fashioned bit of language, know, bit of language, and, you know, that that that most i don't know some people like that traditional wording but lot of traditional wording but a lot of folks well i'll leave it folks think well i'll leave it with leave it with you with you. i'll leave it with you to with you. i'll leave it with you io ponier. — with you. i'll leave it with you ro ponier. in— with you. i'll leave it with you to ponder. i'm telling- i'll leave it with you to ponder. i'm telling you now, i to ponder. i'm telling you now, iwowiin-i— to ponder. i'm telling you now, iwouldn't pledge— to ponder. i'm telling you now, i wouldn't pledge to obey anyone anaer— i wouldn't pledge to obey anyone under any— i wouldn't pledge to obey anyone under any circumstances at all. mayhe— under any circumstances at all. maybe—he- under any circumstances at all. iiayhe—he why- under any circumstances at all.- iiayhe—he why-nor maybe that might be why i'm not married— maybe that might be why i'm not married anyway— maybe that might be why i'm not married anyway .— maybe that might be why i'm not married anyway . what do you make married anyway. what do you make to married anyway. what do you make io-ihowghise— married anyway. what do you make to-thoughts? get- married anyway. what do you make to thoughts? get them to all your thoughts? get them coming— to all your thoughts? get them coming-ani— to all your thoughts? get them coming-and after- to all your thoughts? get them coming and after the break, coming in. and after the break, i coming in. and after the break, i-ash— coming in. and after the break, i-ash yon— coming in. and after the break, i-ash you a— coming in. and after the break, i-ask you a simple- i want to ask you a simple gaesiion— i want to ask you a simple question. china,- i want to ask you a simple question. china, do you think ihey— question. china, do you think they-pay_ question. china, do you think they pay reparations they should pay reparations to they should pay reparations to ihe—hasieaiiyl the other countries basically for-wire— the other countries basically for utter carnage when for creating utter carnage when it for creating utter carnage when i cones— for creating utter carnage when i io— for creating utter carnage when it comes to covid? your thoughts . see— it comes to covid? your thoughts . see you—

listening to gb news radio. hi there , michelle dewberry hi there, michelle dewberry keeping me company. zahawi the rapper ani— keeping me company. zahawi the rapper and broadcaster— g cit" zahawi the rapper and broadcaster and kevin crag— rapper and broadcaster and kevin gag, cro— rapper and broadcaster and kevin gag, see or— rapper and broadcaster and kevin craig, ceo of plymouth communications . welcome back, communications. welcome back, everybody.— communications. welcome back, eweryhoiy. hois— communications. welcome back, everybody. lots of— communications. welcome back, everybody. lots of conversations aboar— everybody. lots of conversations ahowi ihis— everybody. lots of conversations about this whole— everybody. lots of conversations about this whole marriage siiwaiion— about this whole marriage siiwaiion .— about this whole marriage situation . a— about this whole marriage situation . a couple of you situation. a couple of you poinring— situation. a couple of you poinring owi— situation. a couple of you pointing out to- situation. a couple of you pointing out to me that you ion-i— pointing out to me that you

ion-i have— pointing out to me that you don't have to— pointing out to me that you don't have to say that you would ohey— don't have to say that you would ohey nyone— don't have to say that you would obey anyone. good.— don't have to say that you would obey anyone. good. i can i can reiax— obey anyone. good. i can i can reiax ihen— obey anyone. good. i can i can relax now then, ben on twitter says— relax now then, ben on twitter says, brilliant— relax now then, ben on twitter says, brilliant guest tonight iiieheiie— says, brilliant guest tonight michelle talking and letting each— michelle talking and letting eaeh oiher— michelle talking and letting each other speak. this is a iesson— each other speak. this is a lesson-other— each other speak. this is a lesson other channels and lesson to other channels and preseniers— lesson to other channels and preseniers in— lesson to other channels and presenters in how tv should be none. — presenters in how tv should be none. war,— presenters in how tv should be done. we... i— presenters in how tv should be done. well, i would agree with inan— done. well, i would agree with has hai— done. well, i would agree with that. but-course,— done. well, i would agree with that. but course, i'm that. but of course, i'm a wine— that. but of course, i'm a iiiiie hir— that. but of course, i'm a little bit biased on that one. ear— little bit biased on that one. hwi ihanh— little bit biased on that one. but thank you— little bit biased on that one. but thank you nonetheless for the but thank you nonetheless for ihe—reigni- but thank you nonetheless for ihe—highi ii-si but thank you nonetheless for the—right it's a. the compliment. right it's a swig-eer— the compliment. right it's a- swhieei—wery subject everyone that i am very, very— subject everyone that i am very, very passionaie— subject everyone that i am very, very passionate about. and if yore— very passionate about. and if yore a— very passionate about. and if you're a regular— very passionate about. and if you're a regular viewer, you'll know— you're a regular viewer, you'll know my— you're a regular viewer, you'll know my opinions on this. but i can-i— know my opinions on this. but i cant shop— know my opinions on this. but i cant siop ani— know my opinions on this. but i cant shop and i— know my opinions on this. but i can't stop and i won't stop going— can't stop and i won't stop going on— can't stop and i won't stop going on about— can't stop and i won't stop going on about because , you going on about this because, you pm..— going on about this because, you know—ani- going on about this because, you know,_and down- going on about this because, you know, and down the know, countries up and down the worri— know, countries up and down the wig, hy— know, countries up and down the wig, by he— know, countries up and down the world, by the way,— know, countries up and down the world, by the way, not just the up — world, by the way, not just the uh have— world, by the way, not just the uk, have been— world, by the way, not just the uk, have been albie absolutely smashed— uk, have been albie absolutely snaehei ana— uk, have been albie absolutely smacked and then some by covid. and smacked and then some by covid. ana iii— smacked and then some by covid. and in anore— smacked and then some by covid. and i'll quote to— smacked and then some by covid. and i'll quote to you— smacked and then some by covid. and i'll quote to you the worst economic crisis— and i'll quote to you the worst economic crisis in— and i'll quote to you the worst economic crisis in more than a eeniwry— economic crisis in more than a oeniwry. ihai— economic crisis in more than a eenrwry. ihai is— economic crisis in more than a century. that is according to he— century. that is according to he wore— century. that is according to the world bank— century. that is according to the world bank kids education, neniai— the world bank kids education, mental health,— the world bank kids education, mental health, loss of businesses— mental health, loss of businesses .- mental health, loss of businesses . about what? what is businesses. about what? what is the businesses. about what? what is he iaiesi— businesses. about what? what is the latest death— businesses. about what? what is the latest death toll attributed to the latest death toll attributed io cowor— the latest death toll attributed to covm.7 it's— the latest death toll attributed to covm.7 it's in— the latest death toll attributed to covid? it's in its millions aboar— to covid? it's in its millions ahowi sw— to covid? it's in its millions about six, seven,— to covid? it's in its millions about six, seven, 8 million, depending— about six, seven, 8 million, depending on— about six, seven, 8 million, depending on which statistic you use depending on which statistic you ani— depending on which statistic you use and which— depending on which statistic you use and which measurement. anyway,— use and which measurement. anyway, i— use and which measurement. anyway, i rhinh— use and which measurement.

anyway, i think that china , if anyway, i think that china, if indeed— anyway, i think that china, if indeed found— anyway, i think that china, if indeed found responsible and we can indeed found responsible and we have— indeed found responsible and we have ihai— indeed found responsible and we can have that debate and i'm we wiri— can have that debate and i'm sure we will, there should be paying— sure we will, there should be paying reparations for the damage— paying reparations for the damage that— paying reparations for the damage that this has caused . do damage that this has caused. do you-i— damage that this has caused. do yon-i gash— damage that this has caused. do yon-i iasr ion-r- damage that this has caused. do you-i just don't think. you agree? i just don't think it'll ever happen. and i think the it'll ever happen. and i think he ihis— it'll ever happen. and i think he his is— it'll ever happen. and i think the this is something- c cc and i think the this is something that you ani— the this is something that you and honaii— the this is something that you and donald trump have in common heeawse— and donald trump have in common heeawse hes— and donald trump have in common because he's gone— and donald trump have in common because he's gone very hard on his— because he's gone very hard on his swig-eer— because he's gone very hard on this subject this— because he's gone very hard on this subject this week about, you— this subject this week about, you know— this subject this week about, you know ,— this subject this week about, you know , saying this subject this week about,- you know , saying-thing you know, saying the same thing ihai— you know, saying the same thing ihai rye— you know, saying the same thing ihai i-we goi— you know, saying the same thing ihai i-we goi a— you know, saying the same thing that i've got a clip— you know, saying the same thing that i've got a clip of him away— that i've got a clip of him actually bring— that i've got a clip of him actually bring him up. it; that i've got a clip of him actually bring him up. rz; actually bring him up. he was taking— actually bring him up. he was raihing ro— actually bring him up. he was talking to nigel farage, i think it was the other day on this channel. let me just listen to him saying, as you brought him up. the number is 50 to up. yeah, the number is 50 to $60 trillion. they can pay $60 trillion. they can never pay ihai. — $60 trillion. they can never pay ihai. wohoiy— $60 trillion. they can never pay that. nobody-you- $60 trillion. they can never pay that. nobody-you could- jpq a ll iii" they can never pay that. nobody you could have jpq a ll iii" they can never pay thatchinas.iy you could have jpq a ll iii" they can never pay thatchinas. they you could have jpq a ll iii" they can never pay thatchinas. they couldn'tild have jpq a ll iii" they can never pay thatchinas. they couldn't payiave ten chinas. they couldn't pay it. ten chinas. they couldn't pay in whey— ten chinas. they couldn't pay iilihey-io- it. but they should do something.- it. but they should do something. what they did the something. what they did to the worm,— something. what they did to the world,_united- world, not only the united shares— world, not only the united shares-your- world, not only the united states, your country world, not only the united- states,-your country , states, not only your country, whar— states, not only your country, whai-io — states, not only your country, whai-io ihe - states, not only your country, what to the world is what they did to the world is unacceptable— what they did to the world is unacceptable ,_ what they did to the world is unacceptable , bill. it's unacceptable, bill. it's unacceptable. okay so unacceptable. continue. okay so in anar— unacceptable. continue. okay so in that in— unacceptable. continue. okay so in that in anar— unacceptable. continue. okay so in that in that hard— unacceptable. continue. okay so in that in that hard hitting, journalistically piercing interview that nigel did with trump there, trump brought that up because it's something for him to use in his re—election.

it gets people excited. the reality is, and nobody sensible thinks that china did it deliberately . arnie okay. there deliberately. arnie okay. there is though they they don't what there is though. and the fbi, you— there is though. and the fbi, you know— there is though. and the fbi, you know io— there is though. and the fbi, you know do you— siijiil g and the fbi, you know do you speak on signg g and the fbi, you know do you speak on behalf of you know do you speak on behalf oi eveonery— you know do you speak on behalf of everyone that's— you know do you speak on behalf of everyone that's sensible ? of everyone that's sensible? weir. — of everyone that's sensible? weir. ii— of everyone that's sensible? weir. ii shay.— of everyone that's sensible? well, if okay, do _ of everyone that's sensible? well, if okay, do i— of everyone that's sensible? well, if okay, do i speak- of everyone that's sensible? �*vaiigcc r:rgr 7’ no, of everyone that's sensible? �*vaiigcc �*" r:igr 7’ no, i well, if okay, do i speak? no, i don't think anybody— well, if okay, do i speak? no, i don't think anybody does- �*vaiigcc �*" co 7 no, i don't think anybody does . if �*vaiigcc �*7 co 7 no, i don't think anybody does . if you don't think anybody does. if you like don't think anybody does. if you iihe io— don't think anybody does. if you iihe io name— don't think anybody does. if you like to name a— don't think anybody does. if you like to name a institution that is respeeiei— like to name a institution that is respeerei hy— like to name a institution that is respected by people across poiiiies— is respected by people across poiiries ihai— is respected by people across politics that thinks china did it deliberately— politics that thinks china did it deliberately ,_ politics that thinks china did it deliberately , i don't think it deliberately, i don't think ihere— it deliberately, i don't think here is— it deliberately, i don't think there is one— it deliberately, i don't think there is one at— it deliberately, i don't think there is one at the moment. well ii— there is one at the moment. well ii there-s— there is one at the moment. well no. if there's an— there is one at the moment. well no. �*7 s“ rig" no. if there's an institution that's respected across the spectrum, period . well. that's respected across the spectrum, period. well. well, i think there are. by which one? weir— think there are. by which one? weii heiore— think there are. by which one? well before we— think there are. by which one? well before we digress,- signzg rsng by which one? well before we digress, though. ovay. — well before we digress, though. ovay. ani— well before we digress, though. okay. one on— well before we digress, though. okay. and on and— well before we digress, though. okay. and on and on. c" cc okay. and on and on. china will he— okay. and on and on. china will never be made to pay reparations as there has been huge suffering from it. but the reality is the consensus of opinion i wrote this down was that it was very important. the consensus of opinion is that it was human error, mechanical failure , error, mechanical failure, animal bites or animal escapes , animal bites or animal escapes, and it was unintentional and it wasn't bioterrorism. it was an

accident that could have happenedin accident that could have happened in the same way that the smallpox virus nearly escaped from a lab in america recently . but realistically, recently. but realistically, china , with all the challenges china, with all the challenges that countries never going to pay that countries never going to pay reparations . i agree. you pay reparations. i agree. you know, in theory they should. we can worry about theory . in can worry about theory. in weary.— can worry about theory. in iheory. yes.— can worry about theory. in theory, yes. because- can worry about theory. in theory, yes. because something that happened there has caused huge harm and upset across the globe in theory. but the reality is it's not going to happen . is it's not going to happen. yeah, i agree with that exact eonewsiion— yeah, i agree with that exact eonewsiion .— yeah, i agree with that exact conclusion . i— yeah, i agree with that exact conclusion . i think that morally conclusion. i think that morally arnie— conclusion. i think that morally arnie ani— conclusion. i think that morally arnie and accountable motty wise— arnie and accountable motty ves— arnie and accountable motty wise. yes, they— arnie and accountable motty wise. yes, they should . i wise. yes, they should. i aeiwaiiy— wise. yes, they should. i actually have- wise. yes, they should. i actually have been saying that sine— actually have been saying that mo.— actually have been saying that since 2020. smart— actually have been saying that since 2020. smart man . since 2020. smart man. realistically,— since 2020. smart man. realistically, is it going to happene— realistically, is it going to happene wo— realistically, is it going to happene no i— realistically, is it going to happen? no i don't even think ihey— happen? no i don't even think ihey aeeepi— happen? no i don't even think they accept proper accountable worry. — they accept proper accountable worry. its— they accept proper accountable worry. ir-siwsi— they accept proper accountable motty. it's just because people are motty. it's just because people airaia. — motty. it's just because people airaia. i— motty. it's just because people are afraid. i think— motty. it's just because people are afraid. i think firstly, i ihinh— are afraid. i think firstly, i ihinh a— are afraid. i think firstly, i think a lot— are afraid. i think firstly, i think a lot of— are afraid. i think firstly, i think a lot of people are afraid of think a lot of people are afraid oi ihe— think a lot of people are afraid oi ihe ech— think a lot of people are afraid of the ccp, and— think a lot of people are afraid of the ccp, and when i say that, i of the ccp, and when i say that, i an— of the ccp, and when i say that, i mean political— of the ccp, and when i say that, i mean political leaders. i rhini— i mean political leaders. i ihinh ihai— i mean political leaders. i think that political leaders are are think that political leaders are airaii— think that political leaders are airaii .— think that political leaders are are afraid . even— think that political leaders are are afraid . even many people in

are afraid. even many people in the are afraid. even many people in he neiia— are afraid. even many people in he neiia ae— are afraid. even many people in the media are afraid to eriiieise— the media are afraid to criticise the— the media are afraid to criticise the chinese communist party— criticise the chinese communist harry or— criticise the chinese communist harry or he— criticise the chinese communist party or the chinese government. ihere— party or the chinese government. ihere ae— party or the chinese government. ihere peopie— party or the chinese government. there are people take money from ihen— there are people take money from ihen in— there are people take money from them in politics,— there are people take money from them in politics, but anyway, i digress. — them in politics, but anyway, i digress. yeah. so— them in politics, but anyway, i digress. yeah. so i- them in politics, but anyway, i digress. i/igs" so i so them in politics, but anyway, i digress. / so i so i think digress. yeah. so i so i think if digress. yeah. so i so i think ii yon— digress. yeah. so i so i think i you can-i— digress. yeah. so i so i think if you can't even— digress. yeah. so i so i think if you can't even get- digress. / so i so i think if you can't even get them to ainii— if you can't even get them to admit accountability to some degree,— admit accountability to some degree, yore— admit accountability to some degree, you're absolutely not going— degree, you're absolutely not going io— degree, you're absolutely not going io gei— degree, you're absolutely not going to get them to pay reparations— going to get them to pay reparations ._ going to get them to pay reparations . and as far as reparations. and as far as i pm..— reparations. and as far as i know, ihey-ve— reparations. and as far as i know, they've never , ever issued know, they've never, ever issued a siaieneni— know, they've never, ever issued a siaieneni or— know, they've never, ever issued a statement or put— know, they've never, ever issued a statement or put their hands up ani— a statement or put their hands up and an,— a statement or put their hands up and said, okay,— a statement or put their hands up and said, okay, we take some accountability— up and said, okay, we take some accountability or— up and said, okay, we take some accountability or responsibility worry— accountability or responsibility iioiiyior— accountability or responsibility iioiiyiorihe— accountability or responsibility motty for the damage this thing has caused— motty for the damage this thing has caused .— motty for the damage this thing has caused . and— motty for the damage this thing has caused . and that's not even has caused. and that's not even ihen — has caused. and that's not even ihen saying— has caused. and that's not even ihen saying ,— has caused. and that's not even ihen saying , yon— has caused. and that's not even them saying , you know, i'm not them saying, you know, i'm not even speculating— them saying, you know, i'm not even speculating on whether or not even speculating on whether or noi ii— even speculating on whether or noi i as— even speculating on whether or not it was intentionally people can—ihai. - not it was intentionally people can—ihai. wel not it was intentionally people can _that. we do can pontificate on that. we do pm..— can pontificate on that. we do know, however,— can pontificate on that. we do know, however, there was know, however, that there was a cover.— know, however, that there was a cover. ii— know, however, that there was a cover. i as— know, however, that there was a cover . it was covered up for cover up. it was covered up for he— cover up. it was covered up for he iirsi— cover up. it was covered up for he iirsi iew— cover up. it was covered up for the first few months when they knew— the first few months when they knew-rhings— the first few months when they knew -things were - the first few months when they knew things were there knew that things were out there and knew that things were out there aha-ieen— knew that things were out there and been blocking the and they've been blocking the who.— and they've been blocking the w.h.o.-iahyi — and they've been blocking the who. takyi yeah, so, so, w.h.o. steph takyi yeah, so, so, so here— w.h.o. steph takyi yeah, so, so, so ihere is— w.h.o. steph takyi yeah, so, so, so there is there— w.h.o. steph takyi yeah, so, so, so there is there is— w.h.o. steph takyi yeah, so, so, so there is there is certainly naiiee— so there is there is certainly malice there. _ so there is there is certainly malice there. but like i said, if malice there. but like i said, ii-won-i— malice there. but like i said, if-won't accept- if they won't accept accountability aren't accountability and people aren't going—an- accountability and people aren't going—an eiioril going to really make an effort to going to really make an effort io-ieei— going to really make an effort io-ieei io- going to really make an effort to -feet to the- going to really make an effort to -feet to the fire. to hold their feet to the fire ani— to hold their feet to the fire and decorations— to hold their feet to the fire and decorations are last and decorations are that last pari— and decorations are that last pan-ins— and decorations are that last pan-ihis is— and decorations are that last part-this is what- and decorations are that last part this is what i do not part that this is what i do not wniersiani— part that this is what i do not understand and— part that this is what i do not understand and is you're saying or-nighi— understand and is you're saying or-nighi ie— understand and is you're saying

or-might belbit- or people might be a bit irighienei— or people might be a bit frightened china, whatever. frightened of china, whatever. i-understand_ frightened of china, whatever. i-understand why- frightened of china, whatever. i-understand why is- frightened of china, whatever. i-understand why is thei i do not understand why is the world not coming together collectively? i'm collectively? because like i'm saying , this has impacted the saying, this has impacted the world. i think i know the honest answer. i think— : i think i know the honest answer. i think because everyihing— answer. i think because everything is- answer. i think because everything is made there , everything is made there, honesiiy. — everything is made there, honestly. " everything is made there, honestly. c" honestly. i mean, china manufactures a ridiculous amount of stuff that is shipped out all across the world. all across the west. and so i think there are economic concerns and fears around taking that type of action. i think that's a big part of it. but that in itself, i mean, to be to be, you know, a collection of countries, the world except china and everyone being depend on one particular country to create manufacture, whatever it is your products that in itself should be ringing alarm bells. so maybe this is an opporiwniiy— alarm bells. so maybe this is an opporiwniiy ior— alarm bells. so maybe this is an opportunity for the— so maybe this is an opportunity for the world to reihinh— opportunity for the world to rethink their— opportunity for the world to rethink their supply chains . rethink their supply chains. everyone— rethink their supply chains. iveryone goes— rethink their supply chains. everyone goes on about china's emissions— everyone goes on about china's emissions when— everyone goes on about china's emissions when it— everyone goes on about china's emissions when it comes to gioiai— emissions when it comes to global warming— emissions when it comes to global warming . one of the global warming. one of the reasons they— global warming. one of the reasons they are so high compared— reasons they are so high compared to— reasons they are so high compared to us is because of all his— compared to us is because of all this manufacturing— compared to us is because of all this manufacturing . but i just this manufacturing. but i just siiii— this manufacturing. but i just siiii ion-i— this manufacturing. but i just still don't get— this manufacturing. but i just still don't get it— this manufacturing. but i just still don't get it because that can-i— still don't get it because that

cant be — still don't get it because that can't be. that— still don't get it because that can't be. that cannot be the reason alone,— can't be. that cannot be the reason alone,-by. can't be. that cannot be the reason alone, by the reason alone, because by the way,— reason alone, because by the waylaii— reason alone, because by the way,.all countries- reason alone, because by the way, all countries unite in way, if all countries unite in he— way, if all countries unite in he wore— way, if all countries unite in the world and— way, if all countries unite in the world and say, right, we are going— the world and say, right, we are going io— the world and say, right, we are going io push— the world and say, right, we are going to push this.— the world and say, right, we are going to push this. so biden, for going to push this. so biden, ior evanpie— going to push this. so biden, for example, he's just signed a iii— for example, he's just signed a iii-cowh— for example, he's just signed a bill covid origins. so bill on covid origins. so ihey-re— bill on covid origins. so- they're—apparently they're going to be apparently pushing— they're going to be apparently pushing-gei- pushing to try and get transparency- pushing to try and get transparency around some of this inieiiigenee— transparency around some of this intelligence about— transparency around some of this intelligence about what's known and intelligence about what's known aha—known.- intelligence about what's known and _ known. lthe . and what's not known. if the worri— and what's not known. if the worii earne— and what's not known. if the world came together and pressurised— world came together and pressurised china. mean, you pressurised china. i mean, you say— pressurised china. i mean, you say manufacturing their say about manufacturing their swin— say about manufacturing their a... china— say about manufacturing their stuff, china wants to manufacture . stuff, china wants to manufacture-. wants manufacture stuff. it wants to ioosi— manufacture stuff. it wants to boost-economy. - manufacture stuff. it wants to boost economy. doesn't boost its economy. it doesn't wani— boost its economy. it doesn't wani-every- boost its economy. it doesn't want every single want to lose every single customer overnight, customer of its overnight, swreiy. — customer of its overnight, surely. yeah.— customer of its overnight, surely. i/igs" 'rgs " customer of its overnight, surely. i/rgs" gs " surely. yeah. again, i think i think in theory, in theory you're correct. i just think that in terms of the political reality of it , i that in terms of the political reality of it, i don't that in terms of the political reality of it , i don't see it reality of it, i don't see it happening . that would be happening. that would be wonderful. but i don't see it happening. ithink wonderful. but i don't see it happening. i think he's right. ani— happening. i think he's right. and i— happening. i think he's right. and i ihinh— happening. i think he's right. and i think, you— g i think he's right. and i think, you know, people are vocal like— and i think, you know, people are vocal like the— and i think, you know, people are vocal like the british ambassador— are vocal like the british ambassador to china, who's very, very— ambassador to china, who's very, very impressive— ambassador to china, who's very, very impressive recently very impressive woman recently said—in— very impressive woman recently said—in ionionl said at a meeting in london. china— said at a meeting in london. china has— said at a meeting in london. china has been— said at a meeting in london. china has been of late more authoritarian— china has been of late more authoritarian than at home and more assertive— authoritarian than at home and more assertive abroad. right. ani— more assertive abroad. right. and here— more assertive abroad. right. and there are— more assertive abroad. right. and there are no— more assertive abroad. right. and there are no punches pulled aiowi— and there are no punches pulled aiowi human— and there are no punches pulled about human rights abuses with eihnie— about human rights abuses with ethnic minorities.— about human rights abuses with ethnic minorities. and in hong

kong— ethnic minorities. and in hong kong .— ethnic minorities. and in hong kong . hai— ethnic minorities. and in hong kong . hwi ihe— ethnic minorities. and in hong kong . but the reality is the ccp kong. but the reality is the ccp , ihe— kong. but the reality is the ccp , ihe chinese,— kong. but the reality is the ccp , the chinese, chinese communist party— , the chinese, chinese communist ray is— , the chinese, chinese communist ray is a— , the chinese, chinese communist harry is a raw— , the chinese, chinese communist party is a law unto— , the chinese, chinese communist party is a law unto itself. and ihai— party is a law unto itself. and ha is— party is a law unto itself. and ha is insi— party is a law unto itself. and that is just the— party is a law unto itself. and that is just the nature of massive nation state like that, which— massive nation state like that, which we— massive nation state like that, which we have— massive nation state like that, which we have learned over time. it's which we have learned over time. its very— which we have learned over time. it's very difficult— which we have learned over time. it's very difficult to— which we have learned over time. it's very difficult to interfere in oiher— it's very difficult to interfere in other sovereign nation siaies. — in other sovereign nation siaies. hai— in other sovereign nation states. but the theory is right ihai— states. but the theory is right ihai ii— states. but the theory is right ihai i as— states. but the theory is right that it was ultimately originated— that it was ultimately originated there. but again, we in he— originated there. but again, we in he neg,— originated there. but again, we in the west, you— originated there. but again, we in the west, you know, we've had near misses with— in the west, you know, we've had near misses with with with vaccine, with _ near misses with with with vaccine, with virus releases in he— vaccine, with virus releases in he pass— vaccine, with virus releases in he pasi. so— vaccine, with virus releases in ihe pasi. so you— vaccine, with virus releases in the past. so you know, unless it was intentional— the past. so you know, unless it was intentional ._ the past. so you know, unless it was intentional . well, i think was intentional. well, i think ihai-s— was intentional. well, i think has ihai-s— was intentional. well, i think that's that's the _ was intentional. well, i think that's that's the issue . �*vaig�*sc r:rgr that's that's the issue. what do you have— that's that's the issue. what do you have is— that's that's the issue. what do you make to this at home? i find it absolutely fascinating that not more people collective putting pressure onto the chinese . i, ijust putting pressure onto the chinese . i, i just can't get my chinese. i, i just can't get my head around it. also by the way, it is a lesson to be learned because some people that to because some people that used to talk lab leak theories and talk about lab leak theories and all the rest of it way back when, when of this stuff was when, when all of this stuff was popping when, when all of this stuff was popping remember popping up, you will remember they they were they were censored. they were ridiculed. called ridiculed. they were called names. were undermined. names. they were undermined. make a lesson, because names. they were undermined. myou a lesson, because names. they were undermined. myou are a lesson, because names. they were undermined. myou are onea lesson, because names. they were undermined. myou are one ofesson, because names. they were undermined. myou are one of those because names. they were undermined. myou are one of those peoplee if you are one of those people that that , some of these that did that, some of these things starting to come

things now are starting to come true the what about true down the line. what about tariffs the way? you could tariffs by the way? you could apply tariffs by the way? you could apply tariffs too, i don't know, various chinese, goods various chinese, different goods . i donald trump, he was . i think donald trump, he was calling a global on calling for a global summit on reparations that surely even if you don't like man, donald you don't like the man, donald trump, admit that trump, you've got to admit that is idea, isn't it? is a good idea, isn't it? i don't know. you tell me. quick break. when come back, i'll break. when i come back, i'll have your opinions on have some of your opinions on that i also want to that topic. but i also want to ask you about weight loss jabs. what do you of online what do you make of this? online pharmacies prescribing pharmacies have been prescribing them to with normal, them to people with normal, healthy what's on? healthy bmi. what's going on? see

britain's news. channel hi britain's news. channel hi ihere. — britain's news. channel hi there. welcome back . hi there. welcome back. i'm iiioheiie— hi there. welcome back. i'm michelle dewberry- hi there. welcome back. i'm michelle dewberry keeping me company. obe is a rapper and broadcaster and kevin craig , the broadcaster and kevin craig, the ceo communications. broadcaster and kevin craig, the ceo communications . as derek ceo of communications. as derek says , thank goodness i have been says, thank goodness i have been screaming from the very first day of all of this is about reparations from china, he says. the world's economy has crashed in front of our eyes and the only place still making money was china, richard says. my son,

who's now 16, never returned to school after covid second lockdown. he suffers, he says, from severe ocd . and now he from severe ocd. and now he says, my child school life was ruined because of this. so yes, china should pay. jones says, yes , but which country in the yes, but which country in the west has the guts to start the ball rolling? i reckon donald trump would. you know, people might dislike him in many ways, but i think he would. can i tell you the but i think he would. can i tell you ihe prohien— but i think he would. can i tell you the problem with- : can i tell you the problem with donald irwnp— you the problem with donald irwnp is— you the problem with donald irwnp is a— you the problem with donald trump is a figurehead. ig trump is a figurehead. he's he's iisoreiiiei— trump is a figurehead. he's he's discredited the apart from his fans. many, many people think the man is a liar and many think the man is a liar and many think the man is a liar and many think the man is a woman hater. that's the man is a woman hater. that's the problem with taking seriously anything that comes out his mouth. well, you know out of his mouth. well, you know what opinion? we could obviously iisagree. — what opinion? we could obviously aisagree. we— what opinion? we could obviously disagree. we-have- what opinion? we could obviously disagree. we-have that. disagree. we could have that debate. but now, i don't debate. but for now, i don't want because to talk want to because i want to talk about else, if you about something else, if you don't online pharmacies, don't mind. online pharmacies, they basically prescribing don't mind. online pharmacies, they weightcally prescribing don't mind. online pharmacies, they weight loss prescribing don't mind. online pharmacies, they weight loss jabs,:ribing don't mind. online pharmacies, they weight loss jabs, slimming these weight loss jabs, slimming jabs, whatever you want call jabs, whatever you want to call them to people. now of a healthy bmi . personally, i've got to say bmi. personally, i've got to say zahawi, i wouldn't use an online

pharmacy , i don't think for much pharmacy, i don't think for much in life, certainly not for something that i'm about to inject into my body. i would be terrified that sent me wrong terrified that sent me the wrong thing. anyway do you make thing. anyway what do you make to don't know to all these? you? i don't know if slab. i know you used to if you slab. i know you used to be a personal trainer. now you're into you know, the you're into the, you know, the good healthy living. good living, the healthy living. you i know you write books you know, i know you write books and it. what do you and stuff on it. what do you make to these things make to these injection things to lose weight? my gut reaction immediately people immediately is i wish people would for magic and would stop looking for magic and shortcuts. us would stop looking for magic and shortcuts . us losing weight is shortcuts. us losing weight is not shortcuts. us losing weight is noi easy,— shortcuts. us losing weight is noi easy, hai— shortcuts. us losing weight is not easy, but it's— n us losing weight is not easy, but it's simple . all not easy, but it's simple. all you— not easy, but it's simple. all you have— not easy, but it's simple. all you have io— not easy, but it's simple. all you have to burn— not easy, but it's simple. all you have to burn more calories inan— you have to burn more calories ihan yon— you have to burn more calories ihan yon ihan— you have to burn more calories than you, than you— you have to burn more calories than you, than you consume . you than you, than you consume. you have— than you, than you consume. you have io. — than you, than you consume. you have o i— than you, than you consume. you have o i know— than you, than you consume. you have to. i know people don't hhe— have to. i know people don't iihe ii.— have to. i know people don't iihe ii. vow— have to. i know people don't like it. you have— have to. i know people don't like it. you have to eat less ani— like it. you have to eat less and iieaiiy— like it. you have to eat less and ideally move a little bit hai— and ideally move a little bit more. but that— and ideally move a little bit more. but that is what it is. vow— more. but that is what it is. vow ion-i— more. but that is what it is. you don't need— more. but that is what it is. you don't need magic bullet. you don't need a magic bullet. vow— you don't need a magic bullet. vow ion-i— you don't need a magic bullet. you don't need— you don't need a magic bullet. you don't need injections. you ion-i— you don't need injections. you ion-i need— you don't need injections. you don't need pills. _ you don't need injections. you don't need pills. this and don't need pills. all this and i ion-i— don't need pills. all this and i ion-i know— don't need pills. all this and i don't know the _ don't need pills. all this and i don't know the exact mechanism this don't know the exact mechanism his one— don't know the exact mechanism this one works— don't know the exact mechanism this one works by. _ don't know the exact mechanism this one works by. i— don't know the exact mechanism this one works by. i did a vine— this one works by. i did a iiiiie iii— this one works by. i did a little bit of— this one works by. i did a little bit of research. i think its— little bit of research. i think its a— little bit of research. i think it's a diabetic.— little bit of research. i think it's a diabetic. i— little bit of research. i think it's a diabetic. i think diabetes— it's a diabetic. i think diabetes medication initially eaiiei— diabetes medication initially called i believe _ diabetes medication initially called believe works by called i believe it works by suppressing— called i believe it works by suppressing appetite to some degree,— suppressing appetite to some degree, hai— suppressing appetite to some agggg, iwi i— suppressing appetite to some

degree, but i think that my common sense— degree, but i think that my common sense would tell me that any any— common sense would tell me that any any nrag— common sense would tell me that any any irwg, any— common sense would tell me that any any drug, any injection in ihai— any any drug, any injection in ha is— any any drug, any injection in that is powerful— any any drug, any injection in that is powerful enough to cause someone to lose— that is powerful enough to cause someone to lose weight is going to someone to lose weight is going io have— someone to lose weight is going io have some— someone to lose weight is going to have some severe side effects . if to have some severe side effects . ii mp,— to have some severe side effects . ii mg, ihen— to have some severe side effects . if not, then if— to have some severe side effects . if not, then if it— to have some severe side effects . if not, then if it were ioiaiiy— . if not, then if it were totally safe— . if not, then if it were totally safe and totally effective,— totally safe and totally effective, everyone would be raving— effective, everyone would be raving n,— effective, everyone would be taking it, right?— effective, everyone would be taking it, right? yeah. and oiviowsiy— taking it, right? yeah. and oiviowsiy ,— taking it, right? yeah. and obviously , obviously they would obviously, obviously they would argue— obviously, obviously they would argwe ii— obviously, obviously they would argue ii is— obviously, obviously they would argue it is safe— obviously, obviously they would argue it is safe and effective, hai— argue it is safe and effective, iwi rei— argue it is safe and effective, iwi iei ne— argue it is safe and effective, but let me just— argue it is safe and effective, but let me just bring kevin in. whar— but let me just bring kevin in. whai io— but let me just bring kevin in. whai is you— but let me just bring kevin in. what do you think— but let me just bring kevin in. what do you think to- but let me just bring kevin in. what do you think to this?- what do you think to this? because it is basically like a quick. yeah. fix in a lot of ways, isn't it? i think i think he— ways, isn't it? i think i think he issue— ways, isn't it? i think i think the issue and— ways, isn't it? i think i think the issue and i— ways, isn't it? i think i think the issue and i think- c c7’ i think i think the issue and i think nothing to aia— the issue and i think nothing to aid on— the issue and i think nothing to aid on he— the issue and i think nothing to add on the expert— the issue and i think nothing to add on the expert view there aiowi— add on the expert view there about health,— add on the expert view there about health, fitness and losing weighi— about health, fitness and losing weight because— about health, fitness and losing weight because he's an expert. iighi. — weight because he's an expert. iighi. -goi— weight because he's an expert. right. -got books- weight because he's an expert. right. -got books and. right. and he's got books and talks about it and it is that simple. however for the problem talks about it and it is that simpis however for the problem talks about it and it is that simpis onlineier for the problem talks about it and it is that simpis online pharmacies.oblem here is online pharmacies. right. the selling of these right. and the selling of these products in a way that i just think you're right to be concerned about it because what this showed is that this article showed is that people are not subject to the same rigour that you're subjected to when you go and buy products from a pharmacy or from the gp. in my youth, i have

worked on a memory. kevin indeed. i'm going back a while. thank you for that. but in my youth i worked on the counter in boots, you know, and i buzzed loudly and the lady came in for a tub canister. you a tub of canister. and, you know, was really pleased know, she was really pleased about front the whole about that in front of the whole chemist. and so i know the ngour chemist. and so i know the rigour that goes into the selling products you selling of products and you don't with online don't get that with online pharmacies. you do not. pharmacies. michelle you do not. and this whole of, you and this whole kind of, you pm..— and this whole kind of, you know,-whatever- and this whole kind of, you know, whatever it is, get know, get whatever it is, get x iasi— know, get whatever it is, get x iasi, wheiher— know, get whatever it is, get x fast, whether it's— know, get whatever it is, get x fast, whether it's get rich geish— fast, whether it's get rich anion-griev- fast, whether it's get rich. quick,-quick erg, fast, whether it's get rich- quick,-quick erg, get quick, get slim, quick erg, get whaiever— quick, get slim, quick erg, get whatever quick— quick, get slim, quick erg, get whatever quick ._ quick, get slim, quick erg, get whatever quick . you know, whatever quick. you know, ihere-s— whatever quick. you know, ihere-s noi— whatever quick. you know, there's not a— whatever quick. you know, there's not a lot that you can do geish— there's not a lot that you can do quick. well,— there's not a lot that you can do quick. well, you can i suspect— do quick. well, you can i suspect, but— do quick. well, you can i suspect, but it's not going to be suspect, but it's not going to he very— suspect, but it's not going to be very sustainable for the long nits— be very sustainable for the long -ii-s nor.— be very sustainable for the long run. -it's not. and- be very sustainable for the long run. and part be very sustainable for the long run. c and part of run. no, it's not. and part of ihe— run. no, it's not. and part of ihe proiien— run. no, it's not. and part of the problem with,— run. \rgr and part of the problem with, say, even if his— the problem with, say, even if his ihing— the problem with, say, even if this thing does— the problem with, say, even if this thing does work, a big part of this thing does work, a big part oi ihe,— this thing does work, a big part oi pg, yon— this thing does work, a big part of the, you know,— this thing does work, a big part of the, you know, dieting or, you— of the, you know, dieting or, you pm..— of the, you know, dieting or, you know,_you're. you know, whether you're pairing— building muscles, losing fat, whaiever— building muscles, losing fat, whatever.is_ building muscles, losing fat, whateverlis ,_ building muscles, losing fat, whatever is , building whatever it is, building a hashess— whatever it is, building a business, the— whatever it is, building a business, the process is inereiiiiy— business, the process is incredibly important because heeawse— incredibly important because heeawse ii— incredibly important because because if you _ incredibly important because because if you don't learn the proess— because if you don't learn the proess ani— because if you don't learn the process and actually build the iiseipiine— process and actually build the discipline and— process and actually build the discipline and the consistency ani— discipline and the consistency and he— discipline and the consistency and the habits,— discipline and the consistency and the habits, then whenever

you— and the habits, then whenever you shop— and the habits, then whenever you siop raving— and the habits, then whenever you stop taking whatever magic haver— you stop taking whatever magic iwiiei or— you stop taking whatever magic bullet or potion— you stop taking whatever magic bullet or potion it— you stop taking whatever magic bullet or potion it is , you're bullet or potion it is, you're going— bullet or potion it is, you're going io— bullet or potion it is, you're going io reveri— bullet or potion it is, you're going to revert back very gwiehiy— going to revert back very gwiehiy io— going to revert back very quickly to where you were. and ihen— quickly to where you were. and ihen yore— quickly to where you were. and then you're going— quickly to where you were. and then you're going to rely you're reiying— then you're going to rely you're reiying on— then you're going to rely you're now relying on this thing that yore— now relying on this thing that yore inieeiing— now relying on this thing that you're injecting however many ines— you're injecting however many iines a— you're injecting however many iines a week— you're injecting however many times a week just— you're injecting however many times a week just to maintain a pony,— times a week just to maintain a pony, your— times a week just to maintain a pony, yowr pony— times a week just to maintain a body, your body weight, because you body, your body weight, because yow haven-i— body, your body weight, because you haven't actually changed your— you haven't actually changed your eaiing— you haven't actually changed your eating habits, you haven't changea— your eating habits, you haven't changed your— your eating habits, you haven't changed your exercise habits, all changed your exercise habits, air-sini— changed your exercise habits, all-stuff-that's- all that stuff. so that's a concern. and _ all that stuff. so that's a concern. and i- all that stuff. so that's a concern. and i did also read ihai— concern. and i did also read ha is— concern. and i did also read that it's being— concern. and i did also read that it's being people are lying aiowi— that it's being people are lying aiowi iheir— that it's being people are lying about their own— that it's being people are lying about their own statistics, righi— about their own statistics, righi e— about their own statistics, right ? they're— about their own statistics, right ? they're saying that there right? they're saying that there are several stone— right? they're saying that there are several stone heavier than ihey— are several stone heavier than ihey ae— are several stone heavier than ihey or— are several stone heavier than they are or this— are several stone heavier than they are or this or— are several stone heavier than they are or this or that, so ihai— they are or this or that, so ihai peopie— they are or this or that, so that people who are even in gape,— that people who are even in shape, there's— that people who are even in shape, there's probably bodybuilders out there who are vying— bodybuilders out there who are iryingliahe— bodybuilders out there who are trying-take-lean- bodybuilders out there who are trying take lean down trying to take it to lean down forlcompetition. _ trying to take it to lean down forlcompetition. i- trying to take it to lean down for competition. ijust trying to take it to lean down for competition. i just don't for a competition. i just don't rhini— for a competition. i just don't think-healthy. - for a competition. i just don't think healthy. /igr. think it's healthy. you see a lot think it's healthy. you see a ior-socia— think it's healthy. you see a lot social media on this lot of social media on this because especially you go because especially girls, you go on to instagram or whatever and you see these pictures of these people and these people in the pictures don't even look like that. they've edited this and photoshopped that sucked in photoshopped that and sucked in that and straightened that whatever then you see young

whatever. so then you see young girls, particularly teenage girls, particularly teenage girls, at this stuff girls, particularly teenage girlsgo, at this stuff girls, particularly teenage girlsgo, i at this stuff girls, particularly teenage girlsgo, i want at this stuff girls, particularly teenage girlsgo, i want to: this stuff girls, particularly teenage girlsgo, i want to look stuff girls, particularly teenage girlsgo, i want to look likef and go, i want to look like hair. there's huge evidence, to where— hair. there's huge evidence, to michelle, support— n there's huge evidence, to michelle, support exactly your poini. — michelle, support exactly your poiniloiher— michelle, support exactly your point.-other-is,- point. the other thing is, i reehon— point. the other thing is, i reehon a— point. the other thing is, i reckon a lot— point. the other thing is, i reckon a lot of— point. the other thing is, i reckon a lot of viewers and iisieners— reckon a lot of viewers and listeners—it. reckon a lot of viewers and. listeners—it would listeners are thinking it would be listeners are thinking it would ie-io— listeners are thinking it would ie-io ie— listeners are thinking it would be-to be able- listeners are thinking it would be-to be able to- listeners are thinking it would be to be able to access be great to be able to access ihe— be great to be able to access ihe righi— be great to be able to access ihe righi sorr— be great to be able to access the right sort of— be great to be able to access the right sort of food, healthier— the right sort of food, healthier food, the right sort of food,- healthier food, -food. healthier food, cheap food. but as-,_ healthier food, cheap food. but as- iooi— healthier food, cheap food. but as- iooi-gonel healthier food, cheap food. but| as-, food-gone up healthier food, cheap food. but- as-, food-gone up 20% as we know, food has gone up 20% in-iasi— as we know, food has gone up 20% in-iasi year. — as we know, food has gone up 20% in-last year. right.— as we know, food has gone up 20% in last year. right. and in the last year. right. and ihese— in the last year. right. and these -when- in the last year. right. and these -when you| in the last year. right. and- these -when you you these are things when you you pm..— these are things when you you know-ihey— these are things when you you know, they explain why some know, they they explain why some peopie— know, they they explain why some peopie-iriven— know, they they explain why some peopie-iriven io— know, they they explain why some people driven to using people are driven to using processes that— people are driven to using processes that are. cj" processes that are. oh, i think that's a bit of an excuse. yeah, ihear that's a bit of an excuse. yeah, i hear that all time. it's i hear that all the time. it's expensive. people really expensive. people are really big. really big big. people are really big because good food is really expensive. it is. i'm sure everything's expensive. everything's expensive . but also everything's expensive. but also actually a lot of people can't be bothered cook anymore . a be bothered to cook anymore. a lot don't even know lot of people don't even know how to cook anymore. it's not even always lot of even always laziness. a lot of people know to how final even always laziness. a lot of peop|to know to how final even always laziness. a lot of peop|to you know to how final even always laziness. a lot of peop|to you because how final even always laziness. a lot of peop|to you because i knownal even always laziness. a lot of peop|to you because i know itl even always laziness. a lot of peop|to you because i know it is word to you because i know it is hard and i don't want to see him kind flippant about it. so if kind of flippant about it. so if anyone is watching that is overweight and sitting there going, don't going, well, you know, i don't know what do. fair step for know to what do. fair step for someone that's struggling and what on that

what is it? yeah, well, on that point, anyone who's been in point, for anyone who's been in that situation, weighed that situation, i weighed more 20 than weigh now . 20 years ago than i weigh now. so been there before, so i've been there before, righie— so i've been there before, righie i-ve— so i've been there before, right? i've been overweight ieiore— right? i've been overweight ieiorelihe— right? i've been overweight before,-the first- before, but the first step, honesty,— before, but the first step, honesty is— before, but the first step, honestly, is to- before, but the first step, honestly, is to diet is the primary— honestly, is to diet is the primary ihing— honestly, is to diet is the primary thing. what you are enswrnhg— primary thing. what you are enswrnhg .— primary thing. what you are consuming . it's— primary thing. what you are consuming . it's even more consuming. it's even more inporiani— consuming. it's even more important than— consuming. it's even more important than your exercise haiiis. — important than your exercise haiiis. ihe— important than your exercise habits. the truth is that most a lot habits. the truth is that most a or oi— habits. the truth is that most a ior oi peopie— habits. the truth is that most a lot of people just— habits. the truth is that most a lot of people just have very, very— lot of people just have very, very poor— lot of people just have very, very poor diets— lot of people just have very, very poor diets ._ lot of people just have very, very poor diets . so that's the very poor diets. so that's the ini— very poor diets. so that's the iirsi ihing— very poor diets. so that's the first thing that— very poor diets. so that's the first thing that people do need to first thing that people do need io iv.— first thing that people do need io iiv. — first thing that people do need io is. so— first thing that people do need io is. so he— first thing that people do need to fix. so be honest- first thing that people do need to fix. so be honest as well, i think with yourself about what it is, because i think once you write down what you eat, what you drink, particularly alcohol , see it in black and , when you see it in black and white of you for white in front of you for a week, you are a bit like, oh god. well, anyway, look, tell me whar— god. well, anyway, look, tell me whai yon— god. well, anyway, look, tell me whai yow rhini— god. well, anyway, look, tell me what you think to— ciigrr: well, anyway, look, tell me what you think to these weight ioss— what you think to these weight ioss-seeiion— what you think to these weight loss-section-do. loss inaya section things. do you— loss inaya section things. do you even— loss inaya section things. do you have— loss inaya section things. do you even have you ever use them? whai— you even have you ever use them? ping-ppm— you even have you ever use them? what think? especially as what do you think? especially as weir—neona- what do you think? especially as well—media, do- what do you think? especially as well—media, do you| well about social media, do you rhini— well about social media, do you ihinh as— well about social media, do you ihinh as weir— well about social media, do you think as well it— well about social media, do you think as well it portrays unrealistic— think as well it portrays unrealistic to unrealistic ideals for people to try unrealistic ideals for people to iry-aehievee— unrealistic ideals for people to try achieve? quick break. try and achieve? quick break. when— try and achieve? quick break. when i— try and achieve? quick break. when i ooe— try and achieve? quick break. when i come back, get this everybody,— when i come back, get this everybody, oxford university. i mean,-because - everybody, oxford university. i mean,-because i- everybody, oxford university. i mean, because i do think mean, i laugh because i do think it's mean, i laugh because i do think ii-s a— mean, i laugh because i do think its a iii— mean, i laugh because i do think it's a bit ridiculous,— mean, i laugh because i do think it's a bit ridiculous, really . it's a bit ridiculous, really. oviori— it's a bit ridiculous, really. oxford university, they're aiiowing— oxford university, they're allowing speaker a

allowing a speaker that's a vine— allowing a speaker that's a iiiiie iii— allowing a speaker that's a little bit controversial because she— little bit controversial because she rhinos— little bit controversial because she thinks biological sex is near— she thinks biological sex is reai anyway— she thinks biological sex is reai anyway ,— she thinks biological sex is real anyway , to— she thinks biological sex is real anyway , to support the real anyway, to support the siwienis— real anyway, to support the students that _ real anyway, to support the students that have to listen to his— students that have to listen to his-are— students that have to listen to ihis-are going— students that have to listen to this, are going put on this, they are going to put on weiiare— this, they are going to put on welfare resources— this, they are going to put on welfare resources to help them . welfare resources to help them. is welfare resources to help them. is ihai— welfare resources to help them. is ha a— welfare resources to help them. is ha a goon— welfare resources to help them. is that a good idea? are we aoiwaiiy— is that a good idea? are wei aoiwaiiy—wp actually building people up, young—io- actually building people up, young—ho iaoe- actually building people up, young to face the actually building people up,- young-to face the real young people up to face the real worrie— young people up to face the real woriie vow— young people up to face the real world? your thoughts. you .

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you please. peter says, you would, please. peter says, i do you would, please. peter says, i io wse— you would, please. peter says, i do ihai— you would, please. peter says, i do use that injection thing for my aiaieies— do use that injection thing for my diabetes and— do use that injection thing for my diabetes and he says and it heips— my diabetes and he says and it heips hin— my diabetes and he says and it helps him with— my diabetes and he says and it helps him with his appetite . helps him with his appetite. ioiohari— helps him with his appetite. richard says,— helps him with his appetite. richard says, what about hard wowe— richard says, what about hard work? healthy— richard says, what about hard work? healthy diet and exercising— work? healthy diet and exercising that surely is better ihan— exercising that surely is better ihan any— exercising that surely is better ihan any job— exercising that surely is better ihan any j'0b yow— exercising that surely is better than any job you could get your hands— than any job you could get your hands on— than any job you could get your hands on anyway.— than any job you could get your hands on anyway. alison, do you have— hands on anyway. alison, do you have vies— hands on anyway. alison, do you have his ai— hands on anyway. alison, do you have kids at university? did you go io— have kids at university? did you go io wniversiiy— have kids at university? did you go to university yourself? oviori — go to university yourself? oxford students . right. have you oxford students. right. have you aii— oxford students. right. have you seen all this?— oxford students. right. have you seen all this? no.— oxford students. right. have you seen all this? no. platform ing ihing— seen all this? no. platform ing ihing ani— seen all this? no. platform ing ihing and a— seen all this? no. platform ing thing and a load— seen all this? no. platform ing thing and a load of kids these ways— thing and a load of kids these days oan-i— thing and a load of kids these days can't seem— thing and a load of kids these days can't seem to handle an opinion— days can't seem to handle an opinion which— days can't seem to handle an opinion which is— days can't seem to handle an opinion which is different to her— opinion which is different to iheir — opinion which is different to their own. well— opinion which is different to their own. well firstly i have to their own. well firstly i have io say— their own. well firstly i have io say oreiii— their own. well firstly i have to say credit to— their own. well firstly i have to say credit to oxford university— to say credit to oxford university because they are piaiiorning— university because they are piaiiorning .— university because they are platforming . they are allowing platforming. they are allowing this platforming. they are allowing ihis iaiy— platforming. they are allowing ihis iaiy io— platforming. they are allowing this lady to speak who i shall rev— this lady to speak who i shall ieii yow— this lady to speak who i shall tell you about— this lady to speak who i shall tell you about in— this lady to speak who i shall tell you about in a second. so oreiii— tell you about in a second. so oreiii io— tell you about in a second. so credit to them— tell you about in a second. so credit to them for— tell you about in a second. so credit to them for that thing. owi— credit to them for that thing. hwi—in— credit to them for that thing. but—in question. credit to them for that thing.| but—in question is but the person in question is he— but the person in question is the so—called_ but the person in question is the so—called gender critical proiessor— the so—called gender critical professor kathleen stock. she wiri— professor kathleen stock. she wiii ie— professor kathleen stock. she will be speaking— professor kathleen stock. she will be speaking at oxford iiniversiiy. — will be speaking at oxford university. great good for herring— university. great good for letting that _ university. great good for letting that happen. but the vies— letting that happen. but the his weii— letting that happen. but the kids well, kids,— letting that happen. but the kids well, kids, the students nag,— kids well, kids, the students gag, ihey— kids well, kids, the students there, they are— kids well, kids, the students there, they are going to be given— there, they are going to be given welfare _ there, they are going to be given welfare resources esseniiaiiy— given welfare resources essentially to - given welfare resources essentially to try and help them oope— essentially to try and help them oope hy— essentially to try and help them oope by hearing— essentially to try and help them cope by hearing from someone ihai— cope by hearing from someone

ihai ihey— cope by hearing from someone that they perhaps— cope by hearing from someone that they perhaps disagree with. his— that they perhaps disagree with. ihis iaiy— that they perhaps disagree with. this lady thinks— that they perhaps disagree with. this lady thinks in case you're noi— this lady thinks in case you're noi ianiiiar— this lady thinks in case you're not familiar with— this lady thinks in case you're not familiar with that, the iioiogioai— not familiar with that, the biological sex— not familiar with that, the biological sex is real and that you— biological sex is real and that yow ranioniy— biological sex is real and that you randomly can't just change iron— you randomly can't just change iron a— you randomly can't just change iron a-io— you randomly can't just change iron a-io a— you randomly can't just change from a-to a girl— you randomly can't just change from a to a girl and vice from a boy to a girl and vice . kevin— from a boy to a girl and vice versa . kevin oh,— from a boy to a girl and vice versa . kevin oh, oh. �*vajignzg r:rgr versa. kevin oh, oh. where do i soari— versa. kevin oh, oh. where do i start ? michelle— versa. kevin oh, oh. �*vajignzg r:rgr 7’ michelle wherever you start? michelle wherever you wani— start? michelle wherever you wani . — start? michelle wherever you wani. so— start? michelle wherever you wani. so yeah— start? michelle wherever you want . so yeah, with- start? michelle wherever you want . so yeah, with a- 7 michelle wherever you want . c want. so yeah, with a bit of common sense. well, i'm glad you said that. so important to recognise that in universities over time some things change, right? so when i was at university, as you kindly said earlier a while ago, i nearly got sacked as president of the students union because at the time, as even as a proud patriot and a supporter of our armed forces , the military didn't forces, the military didn't recruit people who were gay. it was accepted government policy. i mean, i'm going to tweet it out later on with gb news. so things change. and now great that oxford having the debate and all they've done is recognise that a minority of students , a small number, are students, a small number, are going through difficult times about their own identity, who they are , all sorts of issues

they are, all sorts of issues i don't fully understand and, and they're offering a bit of moral support. if the heat that comes from this debate upsets them . i from this debate upsets them. i like kindness. that's all it is. i might be able to run some images— i might be able to run some images actually,— i might be able to run some images actually, if i've got hen,— images actually, if i've got them, because _ images actually, if i've got them, because the fact that this how— them, because the fact that this iaiy is— them, because the fact that this iaoiy is even— them, because the fact that this lady is even going— them, because the fact that this lady is even going to talk at his— lady is even going to talk at this university— lady is even going to talk at this university has created owirage— this university has created owirage . — this university has created outrage . that's- this university has created outrage . this university has created- outrage . that's the lady there. outrage. that's the lady there. but i think i might have some pictures as well of some of the protests that have been taking place. no, i don't. i'm told. but it's awful . well, there's but it's awful. well, there's lots of young people there covering their face by the way, if you're going to protest against some someone, you're going to be quite vile, have some about you and show some kahunas about you and show your face. us. don't respect your face. us. i don't respect all protesters that all these protesters that cover themselves black conceal all themselves in black conceal all their try and abuse and their fears to try and abuse and intimidate people. get a life if you're one of them. anyway, this woman has been subjected to woman she has been subjected to horrific . so hence horrific harassment. so hence i say credit to oxford for allowing it. what do you make to this? well, it's this? yeah well, it's interesting. so i'm an oxford graiwaie— interesting. so i'm an oxford graiwaie-so— interesting. so i'm an oxford graduate-so it's- g so i'm an oxford graduate so it's interesting graduate and so it's interesting to graduate and so it's interesting

io-nwoh— graduate and so it's interesting to-much things- graduate and so it's interesting to much things have to see how much things have ohangei— to see how much things have ohangeilihe— to see how much things have changed the relatively short changed in the relatively short rime— changed in the relatively short rime-was— changed in the relatively short time -was there. - changed in the relatively short time was there. it's time since i was there. it's arso— time since i was there. it's also interesting— time since i was there. it's also interesting because i nyseii— also interesting because i nyseii as— also interesting because i myself was protesting in november— myself was protesting in november at— myself was protesting in november at a college in anerioa— november at a college in anerioa. i— november at a college in america. i spoke at a university in rioriia. — america. i spoke at a university in florida. when— america. i spoke at a university in florida. when you- america. i spoke at a university in florida. �*vajigg america. i spoke at a university in florida. when you say you was protesting, what do you mean people were trying to inform you? they tried to deplatform me to prevent event from even to prevent the event from even happening. and event happening. and when the event veni— happening. and when the event weni gig...— happening. and when the event went ahead,-dozen,- g g and when the event went ahead, dozen, about went ahead, several dozen, about 40 went ahead, several dozen, about wolso— went ahead, several dozen, about 40.so protesters— went ahead, several dozen, about 40 so protesters showed up 40 or so protesters showed up wiih— 40 or so protesters showed up wiih iheir— 40 or so protesters showed up with their signs— 40 or so protesters showed up with their signs and their siogans— with their signs and their slogans whatever. and slogans and whatever. and iwnniiy— slogans and whatever. andj funnily_speech slogans and whatever. and- funnily_speech was on slogans and whatever. and- funnifree-speech was on slogans and whatever. and funnifree speech speech was on slogans and whatever. and funnifree speech is speech was on slogans and whatever. and funnifree speech is importantis on slogans and whatever. and funnifree speech is important . on wise free speech is important. so wise free speech is important. so i— wise free speech is important. so i ii— wise free speech is important. so i i won— wise free speech is important. so it it went well. _ wise free speech is important. so it it went well. but but i've been— so it it went well. but but i've been on— so it it went well. but but i've been on he— so it it went well. but but i've been on the receiving end of his— been on the receiving end of his ai— been on the receiving end of his ai ihis— been on the receiving end of this at this point— been on the receiving end of this at this point now in person— this at this point now in person, which- this at this point now in person, which is it's a rather bizarre— person, which is it's a rather bizarre thing— person, which is it's a rather bizarre thing to— person, which is it's a rather bizarre thing to experience. hoe— bizarre thing to experience. inoe swi— bizarre thing to experience. inoe hwi i— bizarre thing to experience. ince but i know— bizarre thing to experience. ince but i know that in in this siiwaiion— ince but i know that in in this siiwaiion ,— ince but i know that in in this siiwaiion , i— ince but i know that in in this situation , i mean— ince but i know that in in this situation , i mean i don't there situation, i mean i don't there so many ways— situation, i mean i don't there are so many ways i can approach ihis.— are so many ways i can approach ihis. i— are so many ways i can approach ihis. i an— are so many ways i can approach ihis. i ii-s— are so many ways i can approach this. i mean, it's good that she-s— this. i mean, it's good that she-s ihere— this. i mean, it's good that she's there should not there showiin-i— she's there should not there shouldn't even— she's there should not there shouldn't even be a question aiowi— shouldn't even be a question about whether— shouldn't even be a question about whether or— shouldn't even be a question about whether or not she's quote wngwoie — about whether or not she's quote unquote allowed _ about whether or not she's quote unquote allowed to— about whether or not she's quote unquote allowed to talk. is the weiiare— unquote allowed to talk. is the ieiaie-ihe — unquote allowed to talk. is the debate the welfare debate around the welfare resources. i— debate around the welfare resources. i think that's that's vina— resources. i think that's that's kind oi— resources. i think that's that's kind of weird— resources. i think that's that's kind of weird to— resources. i think that's that's kind of weird to me. igng resources. i think that's that's kind of weird to me. “igng kind of weird to me. there is a ieiaie— kind of weird to me. there is a debate about whether or not

she's allowed to talk because in society presently, if you have the absolute audacity city to state the fact that by logical sex is real, then people you're immediately called what's the word? a terf , a transfer or word? a terf, a transfer or whaiever— word? a terf, a transfer or whatever it— word? a terf, a transfer or whatever it is— word? a terf, a transfer or whatever it is ._ word? a terf, a transfer or whatever it is . a- :7 a terf, a transfer or whatever it is . a people cannot whatever it is. a people cannot nannie— whatever it is. a people cannot haniie ihai— whatever it is. a people cannot handle that basic— whatever it is. a people cannot handle that basic fact. and for some reason , so— handle that basic fact. and for some reason , so many places in some reason, so many places in sooieiy— some reason, so many places in sooieiy ,— some reason, so many places in sooieiy , ihey-re— some reason, so many places in society , they're almost like, um society, they're almost like, um , pandering— society, they're almost like, um , paniering io— society, they're almost like, um , pandering to that. they they are , pandering to that. they they ainosi— , pandering to that. they they are almost encouraging it. i wowe— are almost encouraging it. i wowioi say— are almost encouraging it. i wowioi say ,— are almost encouraging it. i wowioi say , in— are almost encouraging it. i would say , in some places. would say, in some places. wan.— would say, in some places. veah. weii— would say, in some places. veah. wow i— would say, in some places. yeah. well i think- would say, in some places. yeah. well i think you- would say, in some places. yeah. well i think you can't allow this tiny minority of intolerant students to shout down the majority . i'm asserting down the majority. i'm asserting that the majority of oxford students do not have a problem with someone coming to speak , with someone coming to speak, even if it was someone who they vehemently disagreed with. the oxford union has had a tummy robinson and many, many far more controversial. yeah yes. many, many, many controversial people over the years and so on. and those have all gone ahead and it's fine. i think in a university in particular, especially somewhere like oxford, be confronted oxford, you should be confronted with . was you agree with ,

with ideas. was you agree with, disagree with, can debate so on. i think it's an incredibly important part about being an aduu important part about being an adult that you can have those conversations. you can have debates, disagreements. you can talk to all sorts of different people and not get so emotionally up that emotionally charged up that either you lash out violently or you just want to censor people or you need to go and, you know, hide in a room and, you know, have a therapist or something like just it's just like that. it's just it's just part adulthood . there's 8 part of adulthood. there's 8 billion world and billion people in this world and there's of us who agree there's no two of us who agree on absolutely everything. well, facts though, facts also matter, though, ieoawse— facts also matter, though, because everyone's got because whilst everyone's got a iiiiereni— because whilst everyone's got a different everyone's different opinion and everyone's got different opinion and everyone's goo—hives- different opinion and everyone's got experience lives different opinion and everyone's got experience or lives different opinion and everyone's got experience or whatever the lived experience or whatever the phrase—ihere- lived experience or whatever the phrase _there are i phrase is these days, there are oeriain— phrase is these days, there are oeriain iaois— phrase is these days, there are certain facts that— phrase is these days, there are certain facts that are just genwine— certain facts that are just genuine facts— certain facts that are just genuine facts that you're ieeiings— genuine facts that you're feelings and— genuine facts that you're feelings and all the rest of it showiin-i— feelings and all the rest of it shouldn't allowed to shouldn't be allowed to influence— shouldn't be allowed to influence you. ' r: r: shouldn't be allowed to influence you. r: r: influence you. and i'd also straight up say, i mean, i'm i'm totally on on this issue. i'm totally on on this issue. i'm totally on on this issue. i'm totally on kathleen's side right . so you think you're very vocal on this, but but but i'm saying, if i were a student and there were some lectures , if there were some lectures, if there were some lectures, if there were some lectures, if there were some someone who wanted to

come you think you can come and do you think you can change your biological sex? no, of absolutely. think of course not. absolutely. think you—change- of course not. absolutely. thinki yow—ohange yowr you can, kevin? no. change your iioiogioai—no.- you can, kevin? no. change your biological-no. i've- biological sex? no, no. i've said— biological sex? no, no. i've said your show before, said on your show before, michelle, that my personal view is a woman is a is that a woman is a biologically born female. but that doesn't mean i don't care very much about people's own gender and identity issues. it's not an either or. for me, the thing is, nobody, nobody would care if it were not being forced upon people. ten years ago. voioiy— upon people. ten years ago. nobody cared— upon people. ten years ago. nobody cared about- c. giigrg ten years ago. nobody cared about this issue. weir.— nobody cared about this issue. weir. yaw— nobody cared about this issue. weir, you know— nobody cared about this issue. weir, you know .— nobody cared about this issue. well, you know , i— nobody cared about this issue. well, you know , i think- nobody cared about this issue. well, you know, i think it's often being forced on people and amplified by by folk who want to make it a bigger problem than it is in some circles , as i agree. is in some circles, as i agree. but they're the ones who- but they're the ones who are pushing— but they're the ones who are pwshing ihe— but they're the ones who are pushing the ideology until it siariei— pushing the ideology until it started impacting women and it siariei— started impacting women and it siariei ieing— started impacting women and it started being pushed on children and so— started being pushed on children and so wo— started being pushed on children and so on. no one— started being pushed on children and so on. no one was talking aiowi— and so on. no one was talking aiowi ihis— and so on. no one was talking about this prior— and so on. no one was talking about this prior to— and so on. no one was talking about this prior to about 2014. do about this prior to about 2014. ha yew— about this prior to about 2014. ho you agree— about this prior to about 2014. do you agree with— about this prior to about 2014. do you agree with self—id- about this prior to about 2014. do you agree with self—id as a principle? no. i mean, someone has— principle? no. i mean, someone has a— principle? no. i mean, someone has a righi— principle? no. i mean, someone has a righi io— c 7 no. i mean, someone has a right to someone. look, you— has a right to someone. look, you can— has a right to someone. look, you can believe— has a right to someone. look, you can believe whatever you

want in your head. that's your that's your absolute freedom of you. by the way, very, very angry, — you. by the way, very, very quickly, before _ you. by the way, very, very quickly, before i— by the way, very, very quickly, before i finish, this yow— quickly, before i finish, this was you beating women's was you beating the women's ieaiiiiiing. — was you beating the women's deadlifting. if— was you beating the women's deadlifting. �*7 rgrgr deadlifting. if i've got that clip, get it on. identifying as a woman and beating the women's deadlift that is. you got some muscles. everyone look at that time almost flies doesn't it, when you are having fun. i very much enjoyed this conversation and i'll throw it open to you guys as well. i want you to ponder some of those matters overnight. that trump debate as well. i think that's something that pick up on another that we will pick up on another day. of lots of feelings day. lots of lots of feelings running high, shall say, about running high, shall i say, about that but well done , oxford. that one. but well done, oxford. you know, guys , all opinions, you know, guys, all opinions, you know, let's debate, not hate. that's what i say. that's my new strapline. it's quite good. maybe i should trademark it or something. anyway, dup, you're leaving the country , lee you're leaving the country, lee not long after this. so thank you time. appreciated you for your time. appreciated it . kevin, as always, thank you it. kevin, as always, thank you for your too, guys . you for your time too, guys. you have yourself a fantastic evening. nigel farage erg is up

next, so i will see you tomorrow. have a good .

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