the manifesto says that actually there would make it a right. do you agree? and eurovision in our representative of this country is someone who by her own

admission hates this country. is that right ? we'll have it all to that right? we'll have it all to come between now and seven. but first, let's bring ourselves up to speed with the latest headunes to speed with the latest headlines with tatiana sanchez is . headlines with tatiana sanchez is. michelle. thank you very much. this is the latest from the newsroom passengers have faced— the newsroom passengers have faced widespread _ passengers have faced widespread disruption today— faced widespread disruption today due— faced widespread disruption today due to— faced widespread disruption today due to the latest round of train— today due to the latest round of train strikes.— today due to the latest round of train strikes. members of the asm— train strikes. members of the asm umon— train strikes. members of the aslef union are— train strikes. members of the aslef union are walking out at than— aslef union are walking out at than a— aslef union are walking out at more than a dozen train operators— more than a dozen train operators to— more than a dozen train operators in a- more than a dozen train operators in a long running ttooato— operators in a long running ttopato ovat— operators in a long running dispute over pay . tomorrow, rmt dispute over pay. tomorrow, rmt mammot— dispute over pay. tomorrow, rmt mommts go— dispute over pay. tomorrow, rmt mamaats go om— dispute over pay. tomorrow, rmt members go on strike on the day of members go on strike on the day ot tma— members go on strike on the day of the eurovision _ members go on strike on the day of the eurovision song contest ttmat— of the eurovision song contest ttmat ta— of the eurovision song contest final in liverpool.— of the eurovision song contest final in liverpool. further stattas— final in liverpool. further stattas ty— final in liverpool. further strikes by the _ final in liverpool. further strikes by the union will be matt— strikes by the union will be mad om— strikes by the union will be matt on ma— strikes by the union will be held on the 31st— strikes by the union will be held on the 31st of may and june sat.— held on the 31st of may and june sat. that-s— held on the 31st of may and june 3rd. that's the— held on the 31st of may and june 3rd. that's the day— held on the 31st of may and june 3rd. that's the day of the fa cup— 3rd. that's the day of the fa cap ttmat— 3rd. that's the day of the fa cap ttmat at— 3rd. that's the day of the fa cup final at wembley. rail mtmstaa— cup final at wembley. rail minister huw_ cup final at wembley. rail minister huw merriman told gb natas— minister huw merriman told gb maws tma— minister huw merriman told gb news the strikes— minister huw merriman told gb news the strikes are disappoint , saytmg— news the strikes are disappoint , saytmg wa— news the strikes are disappoint , saytmg ma mata— news the strikes are disappoint , saying we have been able to taottttata— , saying we have been able to facilitate an _ , saying we have been able to facilitate an offer— , saying we have been able to facilitate an offer which has taam— facilitate an offer which has taam oat— facilitate an offer which has taam out to— facilitate an offer which has been put to the— facilitate an offer which has been put to the union leaders amt— been put to the union leaders amt tma— been put to the union leaders and the problem— been put to the union leaders and the problem we've got is that— and the problem we've got is that may— and the problem we've got is that they won't— and the problem we've got is that they won't put it forward to that— that they won't put it forward to their members. similar offers have been put forward to other

members unions and they've members of unions and they've accepted logic would accepted them. so logic would dictate the union leaders did dictate if the union leaders did the same, we could see an end to this action. and i'm really sorry for all passengers who have disrupted today . have been disrupted today. meanwhile, rishi sunak says he's ttsaaaotmtat— meanwhile, rishi sunak says he's disappointed with— meanwhile, rishi sunak says he's disappointed with the decision to most— disappointed with the decision to block ukrainian president vtattmta— to block ukrainian president vladimir zelenskyy from attaasstmg— vladimir zelenskyy from addressing the eurovision song comtast. — addressing the eurovision song contest. - block _ addressing the eurovision song contest.-block is- addressing the eurovision song contest. block is due to contest. the block is due to concerns from _ contest. the block is due to concerns from organisers that an attaass— concerns from organisers that an attaass soma— concerns from organisers that an address could politicise the aam — address could politicise the aam tha— address could politicise the event. the ukrainian president mamtat— event. the ukrainian president mamtat to— event. the ukrainian president wanted to urge— event. the ukrainian president wanted to urge the global aattamoa— wanted to urge the global audience to— wanted to urge the global audience to continue supporting his audience to continue supporting ms ooamtm— audience to continue supporting his country against russia's tmastom— his country against russia's .— his country against russia's invasion . the— his country against russia's invasion . the european invasion. the european broadcasting- invasion. the european broadcasting union says it's aaatmst— broadcasting union says it's agatmst tma— broadcasting union says it's against the rules the uk economy gaw— against the rules the uk economy grew sttgmty— against the rules the uk economy grew sttgmtty tm— against the rules the uk economy grew slightly in the— against the rules the uk economy grew slightly in the first three months— grew slightly in the first three months ot— grew slightly in the first three months of the— grew slightly in the first three months of the year, but contracted _ months of the year, but contracted in- months of the year, but contracted in march. that's to aoooattmg— contracted in march. that's to according official— contracted in march. that's to according official figures. momm— according official figures. oaowtm ot— according official figures. growth of 0.1% was recorded by the growth of 0.1% was recorded by tma oattoa— growth of 0.1% was recorded by the office for— growth of 0.1% was recorded by the office for national statistics— the office for national statistics in- the office for national statistics in the first quarter. aut— statistics in the first quarter. aat tm— statistics in the first quarter. but in march— statistics in the first quarter. but in march the economy shrank by 0.3,— but in march the economy shrank by as, mostty— but in march the economy shrank by 0.3, mostly driven by a fall in by 0.3, mostly driven by a fall tm aatatt— by 0.3, mostly driven by a fall in retail and— by 0.3, mostly driven by a fall in retail and car— by 0.3, mostly driven by a fall in retail and car sales, as well as omgotmg— in retail and car sales, as well as ongoing strike— in retail and car sales, as well as ongoing strike action. chancellor— as ongoing strike action. chancellor jeremy as ongoing strike action. chancellorjeremy hunt says

chancellor jeremy hunt says attmoagm— chancellor jeremy hunt says attmoagmtma— chancellor jeremy hunt says although the slight growth is a postma— although the slight growth is a postttaa stat,— although the slight growth is a positive step, there's more work to aa— positive step, there's more work to ta toma— positive step, there's more work to ta toma . — positive step, there's more work to be done . well,— positive step, there's more work to be done . �*ftt�*tzgc at; positive step, there's more work to be done . �*ftt�*tzgc at: at to be done. well, these are much better figures than anyone would possibly have predicted. even three months ago, and that's partly because of what the governor of the bank of england said yesterday. measures in the budget that that helping to budget that that are helping to help companies to recruit at tackle some of the underlying problems in the economy. but there is still much work to do. we still have inflation that is much too high , uh, that's much too high, uh, that's causing a lot of pressure for families up and down the country . and that's why we've got to stick our to get stick to our plan to get inflation down, get growth up inflation down, to get growth up and get the economy motoring and to get the economy motoring in way that we all want . in the way that we all want. the archbishop of canterbury has taam— the archbishop of canterbury has been convicted— the archbishop of canterbury has been convicted of— the archbishop of canterbury has been convicted of speeding in tomatom— been convicted of speeding in london. justin— been convicted of speeding in london. justin welby was ordered to pay— london. justin welby was ordered to pay asto— london. justin welby was ordered to pay aaao amt— london. justin welby was ordered to pay £510 and given three potmts— to pay £510 and given three potmts om— to pay £510 and given three points on his— to pay £510 and given three points on his licence for aaoaattmp— points on his licence for exceeding a— points on his licence for exceeding a 20 mile an hour spaat— exceeding a 20 mile an hour spaat ttmtt— exceeding a 20 mile an hour speed limit last— exceeding a 20 mile an hour speed limit last october the maaatmp— speed limit last october the maaatmp was— speed limit last october the hearing was held on the same day hearing was held on the same day ma mata— hearing was held on the same day ma mata a— hearing was held on the same day ma mata a ma— hearing was held on the same day he made a rare intervention in tma— he made a rare intervention in tma moasa— he made a rare intervention in tma moasa ot— he made a rare intervention in the house of lords, condemning the house of lords, condemning the government's— the house of lords, condemning the government's plans to tackle the government's plans to tackle

tma smatt— the government's plans to tackle the small boats— the government's plans to tackle the small boats crisis as moaatty— the small boats crisis as morally unacceptable. a lambeth tataoa— morally unacceptable. a lambeth palace spokesperson says the momttsmop— palace spokesperson says the archbishop was— palace spokesperson says the archbishop was aware of the spaattma— archbishop was aware of the speeding offence, but hadn't taam— speeding offence, but hadn't been notified— speeding offence, but hadn't been notified it— speeding offence, but hadn't been notified it had gone to coat— been notified it had gone to coat .— been notified it had gone to coat . atom— been notified it had gone to court . eight labour leader sir court. eight labour leader sir tatt— court. eight labour leader sir keir starmer_ court. eight labour leader sir keir starmer has— court. eight labour leader sir keir starmer has insisted his party— keir starmer has insisted his paaty tatas— keir starmer has insisted his party takes allegations of saaaat— party takes allegations of sexual harassment extremely saatoasty— sexual harassment extremely saatoasty. at— sexual harassment extremely seriously. it follows reports an tmtaamat— seriously. it follows reports an internal investigation into one ot— internal investigation into one ot paoptmp— internal investigation into one case of groping claims took tmaa— case of groping claims took tmaa yaaas— case of groping claims took three years to— case of groping claims took three years to complete . in three years to complete. in a sapaaata— three years to complete. in a separate case,— three years to complete. in a separate case, a— three years to complete. in a separate case, a labour mp has aapoatat— separate case, a labour mp has aapoatat oa— separate case, a labour mp has aapoatat ot— separate case, a labour mp has reported one of her party oottaapaas— reported one of her party colleagues to— reported one of her party colleagues to the police for attapat— colleagues to the police for alleged sexual— colleagues to the police for alleged sexual assault. sir keir staamaa— alleged sexual assault. sir keir staamaa ts— alleged sexual assault. sir keir starmer is urging— alleged sexual assault. sir keir starmer is urging anyone within the starmer is urging anyone within tma patty— starmer is urging anyone within tma paaty amm— starmer is urging anyone within the party with concerns to come tomato.— the party with concerns to come tomaat. matt— the party with concerns to come forward. well look,— the party with concerns to come forward. well look, i think all of forward. well look, i think all ot tmasa— forward. well look, i think all of these allegations have to be tatam— of these allegations have to be taken extremely— of these allegations have to be taken extremely seriously and may— taken extremely seriously and tmay ata— taken extremely seriously and they are taken— taken extremely seriously and they are taken seriously by me amt— they are taken seriously by me amt ty— they are taken seriously by me amt ty tma— they are taken seriously by me and by the party- _ they are taken seriously by me and by the party. cast and by the party. i do understand— and by the party. i do understand from my experience as chief prosecutor how difficult it is for people to come forward. that's among the reasons that we made our process completely independent. so it's not a political process anymore. what i would say is that i

encourage anybody to come forward and to feel that their supported through that independent process . us a man independent process. us a man has been convicted of- independent process. us a man has been convicted of the- 3: f a man has been convicted of the 1992 moaatt— has been convicted of the 1992 maaaat ot— has been convicted of the 1992 murder of seven _ has been convicted of the 1992 murder of seven year old nikki attam— murder of seven year old nikki attam tm— murder of seven year old nikki allen in sunderland, 55 year old aavtt— allen in sunderland, 55 year old oavtt aoyt— allen in sunderland, 55 year old david boyd was— allen in sunderland, 55 year old david boyd was wearing at allen in sunderland, 55 year old david boyd was wearing a t shirt saytmp— david boyd was wearing a t shirt saytmt, ._ david boyd was wearing a t shirt saytmp a am— david boyd was wearing a t shirt saying, i am unstoppable. during one saying, i am unstoppable. during ot— saying, i am unstoppable. during ot ms— saying, i am unstoppable. during one of his police— saying, i am unstoppable. during one of his police interviews . one of his police interviews. amt— one of his police interviews. umtt mo— one of his police interviews. until now, 30— one of his police interviews. until now, 30 years on, he'd asoapat— until now, 30 years on, he'd escaped justice. _ until now, 30 years on, he'd escaped justice. as northumbria tomca— escaped justice. as northumbria tottoa tast— escaped justice. as northumbria police first prosecute righted the police first prosecute righted tma moat— police first prosecute righted the wrong man— police first prosecute righted the wrong man who was cleared attaa— the wrong man who was cleared attaa a— the wrong man who was cleared attaa a mat— the wrong man who was cleared attaa a tatat .— the wrong man who was cleared after atrial. in— the wrong man who was cleared after a trial . in 1993 . royal after a trial. in 1993. royal matt-s— after a trial. in 1993. royal mail's chief— after a trial. in 1993. royal mail's chief executive is to stap — mail's chief executive is to stap towm — mail's chief executive is to step down. simon thompson will taava— step down. simon thompson will taava tma— step down. simon thompson will leave the role— step down. simon thompson will leave the role in— step down. simon thompson will leave the role in october after two— leave the role in october after two yaaas— leave the role in october after two yaaas om— leave the role in october after two years on the— leave the role in october after two years on the job. the announcement- two years on the job. the announcement comes just weeks attaa— announcement comes just weeks attaa attaatmt— announcement comes just weeks attaa agaaatmt a— announcement comes just weeks after agreeing a deal with the communication— after agreeing a deal with the communication workers union, tatmttmt— communication workers union, tatmttmt am— communication workers union, tatmttmt am amt— communication workers union, bringing an end to a year of postat— bringing an end to a year of postal strikes. _ bringing an end to a year of postal strikes. he says it's the atom— postal strikes. he says it's the atom tma— postal strikes. he says it's the atom ttma to— postal strikes. he says it's the right time to hand over to a new ato— right time to hand over to a new cto .— right time to hand over to a new ceo. pakistan's— right time to hand over to a new ceo. pakistan's ex—prime mtmstaa— ceo. pakistan's ex—prime minister imran- ceo. pakistan's ex—prime minister imran khan , is to be minister imran khan, is to be aataasat— minister imran khan, is to be aataasat om— minister imran khan, is to be released on bail— minister imran khan, is to be released on bail for two weeks.

tma— released on bail for two weeks. tma taotstom— released on bail for two weeks. the decision from _ released on bail for two weeks. the decision from the high court in the decision from the high court tm tstamatat— the decision from the high court in islamabad comes a day after the in islamabad comes a day after tma sapaama— in islamabad comes a day after the supreme court— in islamabad comes a day after the supreme court ruled his aaast— the supreme court ruled his arrest on corruption charges was tttatat. — arrest on corruption charges was tttatat. tma— arrest on corruption charges was illegal. the events— arrest on corruption charges was illegal. the events earlier this waat— illegal. the events earlier this waat mawa— illegal. the events earlier this week have sparked unrest in the county— week have sparked unrest in the county, wttm— week have sparked unrest in the country, with almost 2000 people aaaastat— country, with almost 2000 people aaaastat so— country, with almost 2000 people arrested so far— country, with almost 2000 people arrested so far ._ country, with almost 2000 people arrested so far. nana imran khan tamas— arrested so far. nana imran khan tamtas amy— arrested so far. nana imran khan denies any wrongdoing . and denies any wrongdoing. and many— denies any wrongdoing. and finally, astronomers led by the umwaastty— finally, astronomers led by the umwaastty ot— finally, astronomers led by the university of southampton have spottat— university of southampton have spottat what— university of southampton have spotted what they believe to be the spotted what they believe to be tma taatast— spotted what they believe to be the largest cosmic— spotted what they believe to be the largest cosmic explosion tt-s— the largest cosmic explosion ever seen. it's more than ten tmas— ever seen. it's more than ten times brighter— ever seen. it's more than ten times brighter than any other aaooatat— times brighter than any other recorded exploding star known as a pa amt— recorded exploding star known as a supernova, and to— recorded exploding star known as a supernova, and to date, it's tastat— a supernova, and to date, it's tastat moaa— a supernova, and to date, it's lasted more than— a supernova, and to date, it's lasted more than three years. most— lasted more than three years. most aaa— lasted more than three years. most omy— lasted more than three years. most are only visibly bright. for most are only visibly bright. toa a— most are only visibly bright. toa a taw— most are only visibly bright. for a few months, researchers say— for a few months, researchers say tmasa— for a few months, researchers say these events— for a few months, researchers say these events are very rare amt— say these events are very rare amt motmmt— say these events are very rare and nothing on— say these events are very rare and nothing on this scale has ever been witnessed before . tv ever been witnessed before. tv omtma— ever been witnessed before. tv omtma aata— ever been witnessed before. tv online dab+ radio— ever been witnessed before. tv online dab+ radio and on tune in . tats— online dab+ radio and on tune in . tms ts— online dab+ radio and on tune in . tms ts oa— online dab+ radio and on tune in . this is gb news.— online dab+ radio and on tune in . this is gb news. now it's over to .—

to. michelle thanks for that. to. michelle- thanks for that. i'm to. tttsmatta— thanks for that. i'm michelle dewberry right through till seven alongside me. scarlett mccgwire is the former labour seven alongside me. scarlett mccgwi and the former labour seven alongside me. scarlett mccgwi and writer, 'mer labour seven alongside me. scarlett mccgwi and writer, and labour seven alongside me. scarlett mccgwi and writer, and alex ur adviser and writer, and alex dean, a political consultant. good both of you. good evening, both of you. welcome. not seeing you for welcome. i'm not seeing you for a while. welcome you know a while. welcome back. you know the as don't at the drill as well, don't you? at home? it's not just about us three. very much about you three. it's very much about you at in touch with me at home. get in touch with me tonight. your mind tonight. what's on your mind tonight? vaiews@gbnews.uk. as usual or you can usual, is my email. or you can tweet at gb news. dear sir, i tweet me at gb news. dear sir, i just switched on to gb news at 1800 hours and i was disgusted to see jubes addressing the camera with a mug of tea clutched in her paws. needless to say, i'm about to change channel. for goodness sakes, get a grip , says lionel. lionel, a grip, says lionel. lionel, i must confess, i do like a cup of tea. i make no apology for it. who doesn't? who does not say when we have a drink a bit later, i no, he'd explode if he sees you with prosecco, you're going to tip him over the edge. i'll tip him over the edge in

case lionel's not gone. he might already. after that. already. now, after that. anyway, can't can't argue. anyway, i can't. i can't argue. i do love a of tea. can't i do love a cup of tea. can't apologise for that. that's right. migration, right. let's talk migration, shall this, everybody shall we? get this, everybody almost people. is almost a million people. that is the number is estimated. the number that is estimated. the end. million people the top end. a million people additional to this country in net migration in. i'm just going to cut straight to the chase. first and foremost , this is way first and foremost, this is way off forecast, depending on whose forecast you believe. do you think it's manageable ? i think think it's manageable? i think that most forecasts— think it's manageable? i think that most forecasts in- g“ i think that most forecasts in this county— that most forecasts in this country, whether it be about mttaattom— country, whether it be about mttaattom tm— country, whether it be about migration in an— country, whether it be about migration in an example like tats— migration in an example like tms oa— migration in an example like this or indeed— migration in an example like this or indeed the bank of tmptamt-s— this or indeed the bank of england's forecast, which said we england's forecast, which said wa gotmt— england's forecast, which said we were going to— england's forecast, which said we were going to be going into amt— we were going to be going into recession and now— we were going to be going into recession and now we're not yet apt...— recession and now we're not yet atatmltamts— recession and now we're not yet atatmltamts to— recession and now we're not yet again,.tends to be— recession and now we're not yet again, tends to be off to the again, it tends to be off to the tatatmamt— again, it tends to be off to the detriment-the— again, it tends to be off to the detriment the standing of the detriment of the standing of the towaammamt— detriment of the standing of the towaammamt ot— detriment of the standing of the government of the day at and we are government of the day at and we ata-emana— government of the day at and we are-charlie brown— government of the day at and we are charlie brown running are like charlie brown running up to— are like charlie brown running up to mot— are like charlie brown running up to ttot tma— are like charlie brown running up to kick the football always tattawmt — up to kick the football always believing that— up to kick the football always believing that will it up to kick the football always be place] that will it up to kick the football always be place and t will it up to kick the football always be place and forevervill it up to kick the football always be place and forever falling it up to kick the football always be place and forever falling on in place and forever falling on our collective— in place and forever falling on our collective behinds because we our collective behinds because wa tmam— our collective behinds because wa tmam tat— our collective behinds because we then let them— our collective behinds because we then let them tell us another set we then let them tell us another sat ot— we then let them tell us another set of predictions— we then let them tell us another set of predictions and go along as tt— set of predictions and go along as tt tmay— set of predictions and go along as tt tmay aaa— set of predictions and go along as if they are true— set of predictions and go along as if they are true . i don't as if they are true. i don't tatat— as if they are true. i don't

tank that— as if they are true. i don't think that migration at this aata— think that migration at this aata om— think that migration at this aata on a— think that migration at this rate on a sustained basis is away— rate on a sustained basis is actually something that the county— actually something that the county am— actually something that the country can bear, not because we mawam-t— country can bear, not because we mawam-t tot— country can bear, not because we haven't got enough— country can bear, not because we haven't got enough room in the county— haven't got enough room in the country necessarily. this is a big— country necessarily. this is a ttt tstamt— country necessarily. this is a big island, but— country necessarily. this is a big island, but because mttaattom— big island, but because migration is— big island, but because migration is something that assimilates— migration is something that assimilates into a culture stowty— assimilates into a culture stowty amt— assimilates into a culture slowly and integrates into a oattaaa— slowly and integrates into a culture slowly.— slowly and integrates into a culture slowly. and we are tattttmt— culture slowly. and we are tattttmt a— culture slowly. and we are building a totally inadequate tawat— building a totally inadequate tawat ot— building a totally inadequate level of housing. and if you tata— level of housing. and if you take together— level of housing. and if you take together those two points that— take together those two points that — take together those two points that we're effectively ghettoise toastmt— that we're effectively ghettoise housing newcomers, i'm talking about— housing newcomers, i'm talking about refugees— housing newcomers, i'm talking about refugees or— housing newcomers, i'm talking about refugees or asylum seekers tm— about refugees or asylum seekers t-m tatttmt— about refugees or asylum seekers now i'm talking people now i'm talking about people somat— now i'm talking about people coming illegally, but, but coming here illegally, but, but wtmttmt— coming here illegally, but, but wtmttmt-tatatty- coming here illegally, but, but winding legally, but winding up mostly legally, but wtmttmt— winding up mostly legally, but wtmttmt ap— winding up mostly legally, but wtmttmt wp tm— winding up mostly legally, but winding up in effect of ghettos of winding up in effect of ghettos ot pats— winding up in effect of ghettos ot paats ot— winding up in effect of ghettos ot paats ot tma— winding up in effect of ghettos of parts of the uk— winding up in effect of ghettos of parts of the uk in totally tmatataata— of parts of the uk in totally inadequate housing. if you take tmosa— inadequate housing. if you take tmosa two— inadequate housing. if you take those two things— inadequate housing. if you take those two things together, it's not sustainable. _ those two things together, it's not sustainable. and if you look at tma— not sustainable. and if you look at tma otmaa— not sustainable. and if you look at the other extreme of this and the at the other extreme of this and tma axampta— at the other extreme of this and tma axampta ts— at the other extreme of this and the example is ahead of us, tatata— the example is ahead of us, angela merkel_ the example is ahead of us, angela merkel said in germany that— angela merkel said in germany that-was— angela merkel said in germany that-was mo— angela merkel said in germany that-was no limit- angela merkel said in germany that was no limit to the that there was no limit to the mamaat— that there was no limit to the number-refugees- that there was no limit to the number refugees and asylum number of refugees and asylum saaatas— number of refugees and asylum seekers—wouldl seekers that her country would tata. —tmat- seekers that her country would take. _that wasn'ti take. it turned out that wasn't tma— take. it turned out that wasn't tma-ttmtt— take. it turned out that wasn't true.-limit was- take. it turned out that wasn't true. limit was about true. the limit was about a mttttom— true. the limit was about a million and— true. the limit was about a million and a— true. the limit was about a million and a half and they woamt— million and a half and they woamt ap— million and a half and they wound up with— million and a half and they wound up with huge numbers of paopta— people basically with a

satellite _ people basically with a satellite camp made up almost amttaaty— satellite camp made up almost amttaaty ot— satellite camp made up almost entirely of migrants on entirely of migrants stuck on the entirely of migrants stuck on tma-smatt— entirely of migrants stuck on the small german towns the side of small german towns wttm— the side of small german towns wttm mo— the side of small german towns wttm mo moaa— the side of small german towns with no more infrastructure, no more resource and— with no more infrastructure, no more resource and no real paospaot— more resource and no real paospaot awaa— more resource and no real prospect ever of- more resource and no real prospect ever of integrating tmto— prospect ever of integrating into community. they've been into the community. they've been tampat— into the community. they've been tampatl.— into the community. they've been tampatl. wast— into the community. they've been dumped.. next so— into the community. they've been dumped . next so i'm afraid dumped to. next so i'm afraid i tom-t— dumped to. next so i'm afraid i tom-t tatat— dumped to. next so i'm afraid i don't think it's— dumped to. next so i'm afraid i don't think it's sustainable oil amt— don't think it's sustainable oil amtltmmt— don't think it's sustainable oil and ithink that— don't think it's sustainable oil and think that it's going to and i think that it's going to be and i think that it's going to ta paotatty— and i think that it's going to be probably the _ and i think that it's going to be probably the main issue at the-election.— be probably the main issue at the-electioniskyler- be probably the main issue at the election. the next election. skyler, i tatat— the next election. skyler, i think have to i think you think you have to i think you have to step back and think about why the migration . i don't about why the migration. i don't know whether the figures- 3" i don't know whether the figures are attmt. — know whether the figures are attmt. t— know whether the figures are atom. ttamt— know whether the figures are right. i tend to— know whether the figures are right. i tend to be like alex. i tatat— right. i tend to be like alex. i tmmt tmay-aa— right. i tend to be like alex. i think they're probably way over. but think they're probably way over. tat aataatty— think they're probably way over. but actually there _ think they're probably way over. but actually there is a real tssaa— but actually there is a real wttm— but actually there is a real issue with migration and we see it issue with migration and we see tt atom— issue with migration and we see it from ukraine.— issue with migration and we see it from ukraine. we see it at tma— it from ukraine. we see it at tma momam— it from ukraine. we see it at the moment with— it from ukraine. we see it at the moment with sudan. we oaatatmy— the moment with sudan. we oaatatmy saa— the moment with sudan. we certainly see it— the moment with sudan. we certainly see it as as as with ottmata— certainly see it as as as with climate change— certainly see it as as as with climate change and what we aotaatty— climate change and what we actually have— climate change and what we actually have to— climate change and what we actually have to do is we have to tat— actually have to do is we have to tat togattaa— actually have to do is we have to get together, frankly, as taaopa— to get together, frankly, as twaopa amt— to get together, frankly, as europe and start saying what are we europe and start saying what are wa toma— europe and start saying what are wa totmt to— europe and start saying what are wa totmt to toa— europe and start saying what are we going to do? because what do we going to do? because what do wa saya— we going to do? because what do wa saya wa-aa— we going to do? because what do we say? we're not— we going to do? because what do we say? we're not going to have any— we say? we're not going to have any ot— we say? we're not going to have any ot ttasa— we say? we're not going to have any of these. we— we say? we're not going to have any of these. we think that all tmasa— any of these. we think that all tmasa paopta— any of these. we think that all these people in— any of these. we think that all these people in calais should tast— these people in calais should just stay— these people in calais should just stay tm— these people in calais should just stay in france, let france

tata— just stay in france, let france tata tmam— just stay in france, let france take them, let— just stay in france, let france take them, let germany take tmam. — take them, let germany take tmam. t— take them, let germany take tmam. t maam— take them, let germany take them. i mean, actually, we there is them. i mean, actually, we there ts tmaaa— them. i mean, actually, we there ts tmaaa ts— them. i mean, actually, we there ts tmaaa ts am— them. i mean, actually, we there is there is an international paottam— is there is an international paottam. wa— is there is an international problem. we know that in africa for problem. we know that in africa toa that— problem. we know that in africa toa that that— problem. we know that in africa for that that most— problem. we know that in africa for that that most poor african owaatats— for that that most poor african countries have,— for that that most poor african countries have, you know, masses of countries have, you know, masses ot mttaamts— countries have, you know, masses of migrants. right.— countries have, you know, masses of migrants. right. we i was in on motttay— of migrants. right. we i was in on motttay tm— of migrants. right. we i was in on holiday in jordan , in jordan. on holiday in jordan, in jordan. vow— on holiday in jordan, in jordan. you know— on holiday in jordan, in jordan. you know, tmay— on holiday in jordan, in jordan. you know, they took a million syatam— you know, they took a million syrian refugees— you know, they took a million syrian refugees and in credibly pooa— syrian refugees and in credibly pooa oowmtay. — syrian refugees and in credibly poor country. what we need we aataatty— poor country. what we need we aotaatty maat— poor country. what we need we actually need a— poor country. what we need we actually need a serious look at it actually need a serious look at tt tmstaat— actually need a serious look at tt tmstaat ot— actually need a serious look at it instead of being fortress amttaat— it instead of being fortress amttamt .— it instead of being fortress england . fortress britain. but england. fortress britain. but that-s— england. fortress britain. but tmat-s a— england. fortress britain. but tmat-s a am— england. fortress britain. but that's a un and— england. fortress britain. but that's a un and related bodies potmt— that's a un and related bodies potmt wttm— that's a un and related bodies point with which— that's a un and related bodies point with which actually i attaa— point with which actually i attaa may— point with which actually i attaa may ta— point with which actually i agree may be an unpopular view on tms— agree may be an unpopular view on this channel. _ agree may be an unpopular view on this channel. i— agree may be an unpopular view on this channel. s agree may be an unpopular view on this channel. " on this channel. i believe in us taking more legitimate asylum seekers and refugees through the routes international routes of international organisations, effectively giving safe routes giving people the safe routes that being clamoured for in that are being clamoured for in this about the for this debate about the driver for that, more about the that, is it more about the safety of others or is it about , i don't know, boosting the labour market here? what? no, it's about moral imperative it's about a moral imperative for country to do its for a wealthy country to do its bit. and it also would be the answer to those saying there is no route therefore it's no safe route and therefore it's to put your to a people

to okay put your to pay a people smuggler across europe and smuggler or go across europe and come across one of the busiest bodies of water in the world. putting yourself others at putting yourself and others at risk, fact we've risk, despite the fact we've told them not to come. so there is that. but actually, no is all of that. but actually, no disrespect meant to scarlett, but discussion calais but the discussion about calais and so forth, which is a problem, is whilst eye catching in the low thousands . what we're in the low thousands. what we're talking about here is a million people coming lawfully as people who want to come and live in the uk. it's a completely different policy debate about whether there's a number at which you say now now is the time to say now is now is the time to stop actually am in favour stop now i actually am in favour of free migration up to our country to decide what and discriminating in the true sense of the meaning of the word discriminate. so to say, for example , we need more doctors example, we need more doctors for the for the next five years. make it easier for people with medical backgrounds to come to the uk. we don't need people of that background. make it frankly harder people those harder for people with those skills and qualifications to come. in my view, come. that is in my view, entirely reasonable for a country do, a government

country to do, for a government to and it's part of why we to do. and it's part of why we voted for brexit to exercise meaningful control our meaningful control over our borders. i'm going to borders. so i'm going to paraphrase. you would agree, paraphrase. but you would agree, for paraphrase. but you would agree, tot-wat— paraphrase. but you would agree, tot-wttm taps- paraphrase. but you would agree, for-with caps, limit- for example, with caps, limit taps— for example, with caps, limit. taps—attaa caps, i would absolutely agree tatat— caps, i would absolutely agree that tma— caps, i would absolutely agree that the government's entitled to-oaps. — that the government's entitled to-oaps. ant— that the government's entitled to-caps. and then - that the government's entitled to-caps. and then i- that the government's entitled to caps. ' "if“ that the government's entitled to caps. ' c to have caps. and then i do it on a policy on an exercise. that policy on a case by case basis. right now, i think i'd exercise it. would you agree with caps? i it. would you agree with caps? ttast— it. would you agree with caps? t past ton-t— it. would you agree with caps? i just don't think— it. would you agree with caps? i just don't think they— it. would you agree with caps? i just don't think they work. i mean mean, david cameron mean i mean, david david cameron got saying we're going to got in saying we're going to have a cap it's never that have a cap and it's never that we're going get from we're going to get down from hundreds of to tens of hundreds of thousands to tens of thousands. never happened. thousands. it's never happened. i mean, problem i mean, the problem with perfectly reasonable point is they so you can have they don't work. so you can have alex's people, which is people coming for work, people coming to families . and then to join their families. and then and students. right. so are we capping all of those ? and then capping all of those? and then you can't cap refugees. well there is a problem. i think it was there is a problem. i think it tmaaasa— there is a problem. i think it was theresa may— there is a problem. i think it was theresa may who- i think it was theresa may who insisted that— was theresa may who insisted that students— was theresa may who insisted that students counted in the tmmttaattom— that students counted in the immigration cap. for me, it was mat— immigration cap. for me, it was mat yoa— immigration cap. for me, it was mad you're coming for an accredited— mad you're coming for an accredited course, you're accredited course, as you're saytmp— accredited course, as you're saytmpla— accredited course, as you're styinglt sat— accredited course, as you're saying, a set period of time saying, for a set period of time by saying, for a set period of time ty—amt— saying, for a set period of time ty—amt yoa-tt- saying, for a set period of time ty—amt yoa-tt yoal by definition. and you'll you

stowt— by definition. and you'll you smoatt ta— by definition. and you'll you should be able— by definition. and you'll you should be able to be monitoring tmosa— should be able to be monitoring tmosa paopta— should be able to be monitoring those people. registered those people. they're registered wttm— with the an educational institution. _ with the an educational. institution. _well with the an educational- institution. _well over institution. they pay well over the institution. they pay well over tma-toa— institution. they pay well over tma-toa tma— institution. they pay well over the for the education and the odds for the education and tapamts— the odds for the education and tapamtslto— the odds for the education and depends-to send- the odds for the education and depends to send them back or depends on to send them back or mot.— depends on to send them back or not — depends on to send them back or not tat— depends on to send them back or not ant tt-s— depends on to send them back or not. and it's not— depends on to send them back or not. and it's not just- depends on to send them back or not. ' c not. and it's not just students, of course. it's the families as well. if they do decide to bring them over, one of the arguments that people will have is people will to 2004 will perhaps look back to 2004 when eu expanded and the uk when the eu expanded and the uk , the labour government made that decision that right what we're going do, we're not we're going to do, we're not going any transitional going to put any transitional controls it comes to access controls when it comes to access to the labour market. just controls when it comes to access to ae labour market. just controls when it comes to access to a hugeyur market. just controls when it comes to access to a huge freeiarket. just controls when it comes to access to a huge free for;et. just controls when it comes to access to a huge free for;et. i just controls when it comes to access to a huge free for;et. i think st do a huge free for all. i think they estimated top end about 13,000 people come in one 13,000 people would come in one year alone. it was about 112,000 people. it was a mistake . i people. it was a mistake. i mean, there's— people. it was a mistake. i mean, there's no- it was a mistake. i mean, there's no question that what— mean, there's no question that what mappamat— mean, there's no question that what happened with romania and aattaata— what happened with romania and outpaata somat— what happened with romania and bulgaria coming into the eu was was bulgaria coming into the eu was tatat— bulgaria coming into the eu was that that— bulgaria coming into the eu was was that that tony— bulgaria coming into the eu was was that that tony blair was tott— was that that tony blair was tott, as— was that that tony blair was tott, as you— was that that tony blair was told, as you say.— was that that tony blair was told, as you say. i mean, aotaatty— told, as you say. i mean, aataatty, t— told, as you say. i mean, actually, i think he was told att— actually, i think he was told att 50,000— actually, i think he was told add 50,000 and— actually, i think he was told add 50,000 and it was 500,000. he add 50,000 and it was 500,000. ma was— add 50,000 and it was 500,000. he was certainly— add 50,000 and it was 500,000. he was certainly given the wrong tttaaa. — he was certainly given the wrong tttaaa. ma— he was certainly given the wrong figure. he thought— he was certainly given the wrong figure. he thought it wasn't going— figure. he thought it wasn't totmt to— figure. he thought it wasn't totmt to ta— figure. he thought it wasn't totmt to ta a— figure. he thought it wasn't going to be a problem. it was a paottam— going to be a problem. it was a paottam. tt— going to be a problem. it was a problem. it was— going to be a problem. it was a problem. it was certainly a pottoy— problem. it was certainly a policy mistake.— problem. it was certainly a

policy mistake. no question about— policy mistake. no question atoat tt— policy mistake. no question about it. when— policy mistake. no question about it. when you say we need to tatt— about it. when you say we need to tatt to— about it. when you say we need to talk to europe,— about it. when you say we need to talk to europe, you know, tatat— to talk to europe, you know, that was— to talk to europe, you know, that was back— to talk to europe, you know, that was back when we were, you know,— that was back when we were, you know, tm— that was back when we were, you know, in literally— that was back when we were, you know, in literally a— that was back when we were, you know, in literally a political that was back when we were, you know, withterally a political that was back when we were, you know, with europe. political that was back when we were, you know, with europe. yolitical that was back when we were, you know, with europe. ' “t: :al that was back when we were, you know, with europe. ' “i union with europe. and they stu— union with europe. and they still didn't seem to realise that other countries like germany, they use maximum transitional . they transitional controls. they blocked labour market for blocked their labour market for seven years. we have done seven years. we could have done , have done we , we could have done and we didn't. and chose not to. didn't. and we chose not to. mom. — didn't. and we chose not to. mom. -wmat— didn't. and we chose not to. right.-what so- i ti“ c and we chose not to. right. what so actually, we right. and what so actually, we cant— right. and what so actually, we cant mama— right. and what so actually, we can't blame europe for that. took,— can't blame europe for that. look,-profound- can't blame europe for that. look, profound brexiteer look, i'm a profound brexiteer amt— look, i'm a profound brexiteer amt-tatat— look, i'm a profound brexiteer amt-tmat-a- look, i'm a profound brexiteeri and-that-a decision and i don't that was a decision waay— and i don't that was a decision waay patty— and i don't that was a decision waay patty-tma- and i don't that was a decision very badly the labour very badly made by the labour gowaammamt— very badly made by the labour government-day.- very badly made by the labour government-day. - very badly made by the labour government day. government of the day. but i woatt— government of the day. but i woatt mata— government of the day. but i would make this— government of the day. but i would make this other point. whilst the benefit of whilst we got the benefit of some very people coming and some very good people coming and being and craftsmen in being labourers and craftsmen in our they were our country, whether they were from romania or from bulgaria or romania or indeed lot of those indeed poland, a lot of those people went returned to their home markets during coronavirus and or around and after the brexit period, the extent to which labour now effectively says we want to have a more open situation and bring people like that back , effectively that back, effectively suppressing wages and flooding the labour market again, would be a real mistake for their own core vote because one of the

things that's been neglected in this country is the left wing case for leave. you basically never heard it on the airwaves, but it was the traditional trade union, michael foot, tony benn position the left, which we position on the left, which we should of the not only should be out of the eu not only because a corporatist because it's a corporatist stitch done interest stitch up done in the interest of businesses big banks, of big businesses and big banks, they completely they weren't completely wrong, but our own working but also harms our own working class who get their wages class vote. who get their wages suppressed by people willing to come work less. come here and work for less. they weren't completely come here and work for less. thetknow, n't completely come here and work for less. thetknow, butompletely come here and work for less. thetknow, but thisletely come here and work for less. thetknow, but this notion you know, but this notion that caps don't work. scholar, i just want— caps don't work. scholar, i just want to— caps don't work. scholar, i just want to past— caps don't work. scholar, i just want to push you— caps don't work. scholar, i just want to push you on- i i“ i scholar, i just want to push you on that a ttttta— want to push you on that a little-because- want to push you on that a little-because to- want to push you on that a little because to me, cap little bit because to me, a cap woatt— little bit because to me, a cap woatt wow.— little bit because to me, a cap would work. -the - little bit because to me, a cap would work. the lack of would work. it's the lack of i want— would work. it's the lack of i want to— would work. it's the lack of i want to say— would work. it's the lack of i want to say a— would work. it's the lack of i want to say a word that i can't say— want to say a word that i can't say tt— want to say a word that i can't say tt to— want to say a word that i can't say tt to you— want to say a word that i can't say it to you time,— want to say a word that i can't say it to you time, but it's the tast— say it to you time, but it's the tact ot— say it to you time, but it's the lack of desire— say it to you time, but it's the lack of desire to— say it to you time, but it's the lack of desire to implement tmosa— lack of desire to implement tmosa taps— lack of desire to implement those caps because it's not tayomt— those caps because it's not tayomt tma— those caps because it's not beyond the wit— those caps because it's not beyond the wit of man to sit tmaaa— beyond the wit of man to sit tmaaa amt— beyond the wit of man to sit there and-right,- beyond the wit of man to sit there and right, know there and say, right, you know what,— there and say, right, you know what, manchester, the population of what, manchester, the population ot—ts— what, manchester, the population ot—ts-t- what, manchester, the population ot—ts-t tom-tl of manchester is about. i don't know,— of manchester is about. i don't know, matt— of manchester is about. i don't know, mat a— of manchester is about. i don't know, half a million there or thereabouts,_ know, half a million there or thereabouts, whatever. so that know, half a million there or therttheyuts, whatever. so that know, half a million there or thertthe net whatever. so that know, half a million there or thertthe net migration so that know, half a million there or thertthe net migration lastthat know, half a million there or thertthe net migration last year. was the net migration last year. so was the net migration last year. so w-waa— was the net migration last year. so we've already— was the net migration last year. so we've already added manchester— so we've already added manchester another manchester manchester to another manchester to-so— manchester to another manchester to-so mast— manchester to another manchester to-so maxt yaaa- manchester to another manchester to-so next year we - manchester to another manchester to so next year we just to the uk. so next year we just ammot— to the uk. so next year we just cannot sustain— to the uk. so next year we just cannot sustain that. housing, somoots— cannot sustain that. housing, schools, roads,— cannot sustain that. housing, schools, roads, whatever. so aotaatty— schools, roads, whatever. so aotaatty-ap- schools, roads, whatever. so actually - up with l actually i'll come up with a ttma—

actually i'll come up with a tttaaa .— actually i'll come up with a tttaaa . t— actually i'll come up with a figure . i don't— actually i'll come up with a figure . i don't know if i was figure. i don't know if i was ttsm— figure. i don't know if i was rishi sunak,— figure. i don't know if i was rishi sunak, let's just say 200.000— rishi sunak, let's just say 200,000 and— rishi sunak, let's just say 200,000 and then i'll say right, you— 200,000 and then i'll say right, yoa-mawa— 200,000 and then i'll say right, you-havelamount- you can have x amount of statamts— you can have x amount of statamts x— you can have x amount of students, x-of- you can have x amount of students, x of this, students, x amount of this, x aom— students, x amount of this, x aom ot— students, x amount of this, x amount of that— students, x amount of this, x amount of that and. and you tmptamamt— amount of that and. and you tmptamamt tt— amount of that and. and you implement it. so— amount of that and. and you implement it. so it doesn't work aataas— implement it. so it doesn't work taoaas tma— implement it. so it doesn't work because the reason— implement it. so it doesn't work because the reason it doesn't wow— because the reason it doesn't woat ts— because the reason it doesn't woat ts tma— because the reason it doesn't work is the minute you say you aam-x— work is the minute you say you aam-x aom— work is the minute you say you can -x amount of- work is the minute you say you can x amount of students, can have x amount of students, yoa-tt— can have x amount of students, yoa-tt tat— can have x amount of students, yoa-tt tat tma— can have x amount of students, you'll get the higher education tmstttatas. — you'll get the higher education institutes. imean,_ you'll get the higher education institutes. ’“ you'll get the higher education institutes. pix institutes. i mean, as alex said, they rely on on foreign students because foreign students because foreign students pay so much. so we've already got an argument about foreign students. so there's that. there's we need that. then there's we need people for the labour market, right. that we need. i mean, we, we need more doctors. we we need more nurses off our pre—covid heights. right. but then that, that— heights. right. but then that, that toaoa— heights. right. but then that, that force industry— ti qm; right. but then that, that force industry is to ti ti“~3 right. but then that, that force industry is to be omta— that force industry is to be quite creative— that force industry is to be quite creative in the way that may— quite creative in the way that may taatmmt— quite creative in the way that they training and recruiting. vow-wa— they training and recruiting. vow-ya tot.— they training and recruiting. you've got. but— they training and recruiting. you've got. but we need them now yoa— you've got. but we need them now yoa tot— you've got. but we need them now yoa got about— you've got. but we need them now yoa tot atoat 5— you've got. but we need them now you've got about 5 million paopta— you've got about 5 million paopta tm— you've got about 5 million people in this— you've got about 5 million people in this country sitting in people in this country sitting tm oat— people in this country sitting tm oat ot— people in this country sitting in out of work— people in this country sitting in out of work benefits, get tmam — in out of work benefits, get tmam tot— in out of work benefits, get them lot incentivised to get tmto— them lot incentivised to get tmto-woatt— them lot incentivised to get into-world of- them lot incentivised to get into world of work. into the world of work. aotaatty— into the world of work. actually, most- into the world of work. actually, most of- into the world of work. actually, most of most of the people now out work people who are now out of work benefits work one benefits cannot work for one reason or another. but there's a

massive, massive chunk that can. i quite unlikely. just i find that quite unlikely. just on i find that quite unlikely. just om-smaaa— i find that quite unlikely. just on sheer numbers. �*ftt�*tiii i find that quite unlikely. just on sheer numbers. �*ftttiii on the sheer numbers. well, what was-taa— on the sheer numbers. well, what was the spectator at was it? the spectator looked at it real problem is it and said, the real problem is long health problems. why long term health problems. why have we got long term health problems? nobody can problems? because nobody can get a right? a wretched operation. right? because because time because they because by the time you know, your hip you get it, you know, your hip or your knee operation, you're so used to you've had it. i mean , so there's no question about it. but so there's that. then there's , you know, families there's, you know, families coming over and then there's refugees. i mean, you just can't put caps on. hang on. i would regard conversation about regard the conversation about assisting people, especially around things like disaster relief and exceptional events. i would regard that as a sapaaata. — i would regard that as a separate. right. titit“ i separate. right. so you don't you— separate. right. so you don't you wouldn't you wouldn't put that in net migration. i regard that in net migration. i regard that as a discussion about legal migration, michelle's migration, which for michelle's purposes, a given purposes, the answer on a given yean purposes, the answer on a given year, suppose, might zero. year, i suppose, might be zero. i think anyone would i don't think anyone would tottoatty— i don't think anyone would. logically _wouldn't logically advocate. i wouldn't i woattm-t— logically advocate. i wouldn't i wouldn't-people- logically advocate. i wouldn't i wouldn't people to come to wouldn't want people to come to maam. — wouldn't want people to come to ham. to.— wouldn't want people to come to ham. to. tat— wouldn't want people to come to harm. no, but at— wouldn't want people to come to harm. no, but at the- wouldn't want people to come to harm. \ttit i harm. no, but at the same time. no, no. but i was saying on no, no, no. but i was saying on tma— no, no, no. but i was saying on tma-mttaattom— no, no, no. but i was saying on the-migration, you- \ttit but i was saying on the migration, you might the legal migration, you might say,— the legal migration, you might say-tms— the legal migration, you might say,-this-we're- the legal migration, you might say, this we're not say, right, this year we're not going— say, right, this year we're not totmt to— say, right, this year we're not

totmt to wa— say, right, this year we're not going to we don't— say, right, this year we're not going to we don't intend to aapamt— going to we don't intend to expand population in in expand our population in in taams— expand our population in in taams ot— expand our population in in terms of-normal- expand our population in in terms of normal migration. expand our population in in ternthere normal migration. expand our population in in ternthere aiormal migration. expand our population in in ternthere a separate igration. expand our population in in ternthere a separate stream . but there is a separate stream for but there is a separate stream tot-saattmt— but there is a separate stream for seeking refugee, for asylum seeking refugee, a sapaaata— for asylum seeking refugee, a sapaaata-toa— for asylum seeking refugee, a separate for asylum separate theme for asylum seekers,_theme| separate theme for asylum . seekers,_theme for seekers, a separate theme for statamts. — seekers, a separate theme for students. _i'd- seekers, a separate theme for students. _i'd leave. students. yeah, i'd leave students. yeah, i'd leave students. already we've students. so. so already we've this migration is actually this net migration is actually down joining their down to people joining their families and people coming here for work. right. and those are two very significant streams of i know and you talk you talk to the farmers who say , you know, the farmers who say, you know, we've got we've got fruit and vegetables rotting in our fields because we haven't got the agricultural labourers . you go agricultural labourers. you go to nhs. that's agricultural labourers. you go to nhs . that's because many to the nhs. that's because many aatts— to the nhs. that's because many aatts ow— to the nhs. that's because many aatts aaa— to the nhs. that's because many brits now are to— to the nhs. that's because many brits now are to burn— \t that's because many brits now are to burn idol to get— brits now are to burn idol to tat oat— brits now are to burn idol to tat oat tmto— brits now are to burn idol to get out into the— brits now are to burn idol to get out into the fields, because wham— get out into the fields, because wmam t— get out into the fields, because wmam t was— get out into the fields, because when i was growing up, my sttttmts— when i was growing up, my siblings, their— when i was growing up, my siblings, their friends, that's what—to- siblings, their friends, that's what—to .- siblings, their friends, that's what—to . tmayi siblings, their friends, that's- what_do . they used what they used to do. they used to tat— what they used to do. they used to tat ptotat— what they used to do. they used to tat ptotat ap— what they used to do. they used to get picked up in— what they used to do. they used to get picked up in minibuses. they— to get picked up in minibuses. th«by-get— to get picked up in minibuses. may-tat tatam- to get picked up in minibuses. they-get taken to- to get picked up in minibuses. they get taken to the they used to get taken to the taams— they used to get taken to the taams-wmaaa- they used to get taken to the farms where lived they used to get taken to the. farms _where.lived in farms nearby where we lived in matt— farms nearby where we lived in watt-asat— farms nearby where we lived in watt-asat to- farms nearby where we lived in hull-used to pick- farms nearby where we lived in hull-used to pick i. hull and they used to pick i tom-t— hull and they used to pick i tom-t tmow— hull and they used to pick i don't know what— hull and they used to pick i don't know what it was, cucumbers— don't know what it was, cucumbers or- don't know what it was, cucumbers or whatever. if you sat— cucumbers or whatever. if you sattltaamataas— cucumbers or whatever. if you said teenagers, now, right, said to teenagers, now, right, you— said to teenagers, now, right, yoa—mtmttas- said to teenagers, now, right, you—minibus and. said to teenagers, now, right,l you—minibus and off said to teenagers, now, right, you pop minibus and off said to teenagers, now, right, you pop and minibus and off said to teenagers, now, right, you pop and you're bus and off said to teenagers, now, right, you pop and you're goingid off said to teenagers, now, right, you pop and you're going to off said to teenagers, now, right, you pop and you're going to sit in you pop and you're going to sit ta ta— you pop and you're going to sit in the greenhouses and you're going— in the greenhouses and you're totmt to— in the greenhouses and you're totmt to pat— in the greenhouses and you're going to pick the— in the greenhouses and you're going to pick the laugh in your taaa. — going to pick the laugh in your face. _wantedl face. it's not if they wanted the money. right. i mean, ijust

i think we forget how much teenagers the money. it's teenagers want the money. it's not they're sitting not that they're all sitting around spoilt because they've got right? got really rich parents, right? i know, there a i mean, you know, there is a cost of living crisis in this in this country to this. and this country side to this. and it's of the this country side to this. and it's-of the unspokeni it's the part of the unspoken bit it's the part of the unspoken ttt ot— it's the part of the unspoken ttt ot tma— it's the part of the unspoken bit of the left— it's the part of the unspoken bit of the left that i was mentioning.— bit of the left that i was mentioning. but it tends to be aomt— mentioning. but it tends to be aaomt tma— mentioning. but it tends to be around the kinds— mentioning. but it tends to be around the kinds of individuals and around the kinds of individuals amt—tasti and workspaces you were just tatttmt—tt-si talking about. so i think it's aatawamt— talking about. so i think it's relevant there— talking about. so i think it's relevant there are people who say— relevant there are people who say tma— relevant there are people who say tma tast— relevant there are people who say the first time— relevant there are people who say the first time my salary has attaottwaty— say the first time my salary has effectively because effectively gone up because tmaaa—oml effectively gone up becausei tmaaa—om am there is more pressure on an amptoyaa— there is more pressure on an amptoyaalmata- there is more pressure on an employer make supply employer to make supply and tamamt— demand to make this more attaaottwa— demand to make this more attractive for— demand to make this more attractive for-to- demand to make this more attractive for to do it. attractive for people to do it. amt— attractive for people to do it. amt t— attractive for people to do it. amt t tom-t— attractive for people to do it. and i don't actually want to paya— and i don't actually want to mawa a— and i don't actually want to have a freer— and i don't actually want to have a freer labour into the uk. i have a freer labour into the uk. t wamt— have a freer labour into the uk. i want employers— have a freer labour into the uk. i want employers to feel they mawa — i want employers to feel they mawa to — i want employers to feel they mawa to pay— i want employers to feel they mawa to pay a— i want employers to feel they have to pay a proper wage for tma— have to pay a proper wage for taaa mmt— have to pay a proper wage for taaa ttmt ot— have to pay a proper wage for the kind of job— have to pay a proper wage for the kind of job i'm going to do. vow— the kind of job i'm going to do. you tmow— the kind of job i'm going to do. you know what?— the kind of job i'm going to do. you know what? this is a traditional— you know what? this is a traditional left- you know what? this is a traditional left wing argument. wa-wa— traditional left wing argument. we've switched— traditional left wing argument. we've switched positions. know we've switched positions. i know i we've switched positions. i know twat,— we've switched positions. i know t wen, t— we've switched positions. i know pwen, t wmat— we've switched positions. i know i well, i what i'm— we've switched positions. i know i well, i what i'm very pleased is i well, i what i'm very pleased ts tatat— i well, i what i'm very pleased ts tmat w-waa— i well, i what i'm very pleased is that we've got— i well, i what i'm very pleased is that we've got a— i well, i what i'm very pleased is that we've got a minimum wata. — is that we've got a minimum wata. right-— is that we've got a minimum wata. ttgtt. so— is that we've got a minimum wage. right. so that- is that we've got a minimum wage. 3g i wage. right. so that actually wages can't be suppressed more times under a conservative government labour. times under a conservative gowtryingit labour. times under a conservative gowtrying not labour. times under a conservative gowtrying not to labour. times under a conservative gowtrying not to have labour. times under a conservative gowtrying not to have alabour. times under a conservative gowtrying not to have a sort ur. times under a conservative gowtrying not to have a sort of i'm trying not to have a sort of party political argument . i'm trying not to have a sort of party political argument. i'm actually trying to to, say that there is a solution. but what

what say there should be a what you say there should be a cap on net migration, but we shouldn't count refugees. we shouldn't count refugees. we shouldn't students . we shouldn't count students. we have people we need for have to have people we need for work. so actually, the only people that you're really saying we can't have are people joining families and by the way, if you're going to put a cap on or whatever figures you want to have, there should a complete have, there should be a complete infrastructure that is infrastructure program that is directly to population directly connected to population growth. so yeah, what? growth. so yeah, you know what? if growth. so yeah, you know what? at you — growth. so yeah, you know what? at you ttta — growth. so yeah, you know what? at you ttta saytmt— growth. so yeah, you know what? if you like saying caps— 3 so yeah, you know what? if you like saying caps don't wow— if you like saying caps don't work government if you like saying caps don't- work-government insists if you like saying caps don't wo increasing government insists if you like saying caps don't wo increasing govpopulation sists if you like saying caps don't wo increasing govpopulation bys on increasing the population by the on increasing the population by ttma-ot— on increasing the population by the-of manchester- on increasing the population by the of manchester and the size of manchester and thereabouts— the size of manchester and thereabouts year, then thereabouts every year, then may— thereabouts every year, then may stowt— thereabouts every year, then they should commit right? roads, somoots— they should commit right? roads, schools,.surgeries_ they should commit right? roads, schools,.surgeries ,- they should commit right? roads, schools, surgeries , all the schools, gp surgeries, all the tast— schools, gp surgeries, all the aast ot— schools, gp surgeries, all the aast ot n,— schools, gp surgeries, all the rest of it,-they're- schools, gp surgeries, all the rest of it, they're not. and rest of it, but they're not. and tmaaatm— rest of it, but they're not. and tmaaatm-tma— rest of it, but they're not. and therein the problem. what rest of it, but they're not. and theyou the problem. what rest of it, but they're not. and theyou reckon? problem. what rest of it, but they're not. and theyou reckon? doyblem. what rest of it, but they're not. and theyou reckon? do you it. what rest of it, but they're not. and theyou reckon? do you think at rest of it, but they're not. and theyou reckon? do you think caps do you reckon? do you think caps woatt— do you reckon? do you think caps woatt-coatt— do you reckon? do you think caps would-could-youl would work? could work? do you paya— would work? could work? do you havelteenageb_ would work? could work? do you have lteenager,.the- would work? could work? do you have teenager, the way? i'm have a teenager, by the way? i'm tasotmatat. — have a teenager, by the way? i'm fascinated. teenager fascinated. would your teenager momastty— fascinated. would your teenager momastty-aaaty- fascinated. would your teenager honestly early hours of honestly get up early hours of the honestly get up early hours of ttma-tat— honestly get up early hours of ttma—tat ptotat- honestly get up early hours ofj the-get picked-by honestly get up early hours of. the-get picked-by a the morning, get picked up by a mtmttas— the morning, get picked up by a minibus, transported to the tooat— minibus, transported to the tooat taam — minibus, transported to the local farm and— minibus, transported to the local farm and sit in a greenhouse- local farm and sit in a greenhouse or even outside ptottmt— greenhouse or even outside ptottmt-amt— greenhouse or even outside picking and veg? i think picking fruit and veg? i think i tmmt— picking fruit and veg? i think i tmmt tmay— picking fruit and veg? i think i think they would _ picking fruit and veg? i think i think they would not. scarlett atos— think they would not. scarlett atoms tmay— think they would not. scarlett reckons they would money, think they would not. scarlett reckonthey? would money, think they would not. scarlett reckonthey? my uld money, think they would not. scarlett reckonthey? my daughter)ney, think they would not. scarlett reckonthey? my daughter . y, think they would not. scarlett reckonthey? my daughter , gyfli�*g would they? my daughter. my taatttaa— would they? my daughter. my taatttaa-tt— would they? my daughter. my daughter-it in— would they? my daughter. my daughter it in australia daughter did it in australia because what have to because that's what you have to do you if to get a two year

do if you if to get a two year visa. australia the weather's taaatttat. — visa. australia the weather's beautiful. i'm— visa. australia the weather's beautiful. i'm not— t australia the weather's beautiful. i'm not talking beautiful. i'm not i'm talking about. — beautiful. i'm not i'm talking about. taam— beautiful. i'm not i'm talking about. yeah. would- beautiful. i'm not i'm talking about. / i g about. yeah. would your teenager let's you me would let's hop out you tell me would your get out and about your teenager get out and about picking fruit and veg the judge will the viewers quick break. will be the viewers quick break. when i back i'll have some when i come back i'll have some of when i come back i'll have some ot-aaspomsas— when i come back i'll have some of-responses.that.- when i come back i'll have some of responses that. but of your responses on that. but atso— of your responses on that. but atso|wamt— of your responses on that. but atso|wamt to— of your responses on that. but also iwant to ask— of your responses on that. but also want to ask you, please, also i want to ask you, please, stowt—

so forth. so you're listening to gb so forth. so you're listening to at waws— so forth. so you're listening to gb news radio— so forth. so you're listening to gb news radio ._ so forth. so you're listening to gb news radio . _ so forth. so you're listening to gb news radio . i“ti”ti gb news radio. ”t“ii gb news radio. hi there, michelle dewberry, right through till seven with scarlett mcguire, the former labour adviser and writer, and alex dean, the political consultant, someone who refers to himself as welsh motty . i think i pronounce welsh motty. i think i pronounce that welsh motty. i think i pronounce tmat mam.— welsh motty. i think i pronounce tmat attmt. ma— welsh motty. i think i pronounce that right. he says,— i think i pronounce that right. he says, michelle, why— that right. he says, michelle, way to— that right. he says, michelle, way to you— that right. he says, michelle, way to you taap— that right. he says, michelle, why do you keep calling soaatatta— why do you keep calling scarlett? stella? is it me or am i scarlett? stella? is it me or am t totmt— scarlett? stella? is it me or am a totmt mata— scarlett? stella? is it me or am a totmt mata tas— scarlett? stella? is it me or am i going mad? yes i— scarlett? stella? is it me or am i going mad? yes i think you are going— i going mad? yes i think you are totmt mat.— i going mad? yes i think you are totmt mat. aat— i going mad? yes i think you are going mad. but then two seconds pap..— going mad. but then two seconds tatat-tay— going mad. but then two seconds later,-guy called- going mad. but then two seconds later, guy called steve later, some guy called steve sam— later, some guy called steve samt ma— later, some guy called steve sent me-tweet- later, some guy called steve sent me tweet saying , sent me another tweet saying, why— sent me another tweet saying, way-taap— sent me another tweet saying, why-keep calling- why do you keep calling michelle?— why do you keep calling michelle? sorry, michelle, why do michelle? sorry, michelle, why to—soaatattai do you keep calling? scarlett? stattaa—l do you keep calling? scarlett? stattaa—. t| stella? definitely haven't. i tom-t. — stella? definitely haven't. i don't. unless— stella? definitely haven't. i don't. unless that's we're all going mad. you definitely have

it. somebody there's one side of the it. somebody there's one side of taaa tamoa— it. somebody there's one side of the fence that's— it. somebody there's one side of the fence that's going— i i there's one side of the fence that's going mad here. it's the fence that's going mad here. tt-s attmaa— the fence that's going mad here. it's either all— the fence that's going mad here. it's either all of— the fence that's going mad here. it's either all of us. _ the fence that's going mad here. it's either all of us. all of us taaa— it's either all of us. all of us maaala— it's either all of us. all of us maaala-ot— it's either all of us. all of us maaala-ot yoa- it's either all of us. all of us here a of you were out here or a few of you were out ttaaa— here or a few of you were out tmaaa. tm— here or a few of you were out tmaaa. t-m mot— here or a few of you were out there. i'm not sure- here or a few of you were out there. i'm not sure which, but i tom-t— there. i'm not sure which, but i tom-t tmmt— there. i'm not sure which, but i tom-t tmmt t— there. i'm not sure which, but i don't think i did— there. i'm not sure which, but i don't think i did call you cell, tat— don't think i did call you cell, tat tt— don't think i did call you cell, tat tt t— don't think i did call you cell, tat tt t tt— don't think i did call you cell, tat tt t pd, t— don't think i did call you cell, but if i did, i apologise. sava— but if i did, i apologise. steve. you've- but if i did, i apologise. steve. you've made me laugh. i w-asyo— steve. you've made me laugh. i w-asyo atoat- steve. you've made me laugh. i was-you about with- steve. you've made me laugh. i was you about with your was asking you about with your taams— was asking you about with your taams-ptottmt- was asking you about with your teens. picking. steve teens. do fruit picking. steve satt— teens. do fruit picking. steve sat-tay— teens. do fruit picking. steve satt-tty som— teens. do fruit picking. steve said my son would not be said no. my son would not be atta— said no. my son would not be attalstay— said no. my son would not be attalstayims- said no. my son would not be able stay his telephone able to stay off his telephone toma— able to stay off his telephone tomt amowgm— able to stay off his telephone long enough, quite frankly, to pat—tama- long enough, quite frankly, to pick—arnie says,i long enough, quite frankly, to. pick—arnie says, my pick anything to arnie says, my som—tma— pick anything to arnie says, my som—ata omty- pick anything to arnie says, my son the only thing son is so lazy. the only thing tma— son is so lazy. the only thing taaa omty— son is so lazy. the only thing tma omty tmmt— son is so lazy. the only thing the only thing picks is his the only thing he picks is his . t— the only thing he picks is his . t mata— the only thing he picks is his nose . i have to— the only thing he picks is his nose . i have to laugh. i really nose. i have to laugh. i really do nose. i have to laugh. i really to aa— nose. i have to laugh. i really to laasays — nose. i have to laugh. i really do care,.says. ilive- nose. i have to laugh. i really do care, says. live in hull do care, he says. i live in hull amt— do care, he says. i live in hull amt wmam— do care, he says. i live in hull amt wmam t— do care, he says. i live in hull and when i was— do care, he says. i live in hull and when i was young, i also asat— and when i was young, i also asat to— and when i was young, i also asat to tat— and when i was young, i also used to get picked up in a mtmttas— used to get picked up in a minibus and— used to get picked up in a minibus and go and pick fruit. if minibus and go and pick fruit. tt-taamataa— minibus and go and pick fruit. if-teenager had— minibus and go and pick fruit. if teenager had chance to if my teenager had the chance to do if my teenager had the chance to to tt— if my teenager had the chance to to p, sma— if my teenager had the chance to do it, she definitely— if my teenager had the chance to do it, she definitely would. but saa-s— do it, she definitely would. but sma-s—omty- do it, she definitely would. but sma-s—omty tsi she's too young. she's only 15. tow-aa— she's too young. she's only 15. tow-aa-atoat— she's too young. she's only 15. you're about weekend jobs you're saying about weekend jobs for you're saying about weekend jobs toalyaaa— you're saying about weekend jobs toalyaaa ottsa— you're saying about weekend jobs for-year olds? yeah— you're saying about weekend jobs for year olds? yeah that's for 15 year olds? yeah that's paotatty— for 15 year olds? yeah that's paotattyltoot— for 15 year olds? yeah that's probably good point, actually. probably a good point, actually. cam—taa— probably a good point, actually. cam—ata tas- probably a good point, actually. cam—ata was t- probably a good point, actually. can _15.7 yes, i did.| can you work at 15? yes, i did. cam— can you work at 15? yes, i did. cam yout— can you work at 15? yes, i did. cam yoaa t— can you work at 15? yes, i did. can you? i know.— can you work at 15? yes, i did. can you? i know. but now mowatays— can you? i know. but now nowadays, maybe you can't now. no. nowadays, maybe you can't now. wo.-my.— nowadays, maybe you can't now. wo-my. tay— nowadays, maybe you can't now. wo-my. my son— nowadays, maybe you can't now. wo-my. tty ott- nowadays, maybe you can't now. n0.-my. my son did he- nowadays, maybe you can't now. n0.-my. my son did he did. no. well, my. my son did he did john lewis on a thursday afternoon and saturday to 75 an hour. hey, look at this, jack. my— hour. hey, look at this, jack. tty taaaagaa— hour. hey, look at this, jack. my teenager goes for a run at

5:00 in the morning, and. cor blimey. well, there you go. he could do his running around, pick some fruit on the way, running around fruit fields running around the fruit fields and says my daughter and gillian says my daughter definitely fruit pick. and gillian says my daughter defiigot.y fruit pick. and gillian says my daughter defiigot two fruit pick. and gillian says my daughter defiigot two daughters ick. and gillian says my daughter defiigot two daughters and both i've got two daughters and both of them would do it. really simple question then aren't simple question then why aren't they then? because there's farms crying people to go crying out for people to go out and pick their there you and pick their crops. there you go. i might i might have got your teenage daughters out of your teenage daughters out of your into the world of your house and into the world of work you. welcome. work for you. you're welcome. right talk, please. shall right let's talk, please. shall we tasers. you police we tasers. do you reckon police should with them in should be armed with them in this it's all broken this country? it's all broken out again in a row because a man was shot with a taser. he fell five floors to his death. um, what do you make to this, scarlett? do you think there should be a standard issue or. they're really standard should be a standard issue or. they'rbut really standard should be a standard issue or. they'r but dozally standard should be a standard issue or. they'r but do you standard should be a standard issue or. they'r but do you thinkiard should be a standard issue or. they'r but do you think they issue, but do you think they should the police's should be part of the police's okay? ithink should be part of the police's okay? i think i think the police maat— okay? i think i think the police maatltmow— okay? i think i think the police need i know to _ okay? i think i think the police need-know to how- , i think i think the police need know to how use them and need to know to how use them and not need to know to how use them and mot-taam— need to know to how use them and mot-tmam. amt— need to know to how use them and mot-tmam. amt t— need to know to how use them and not them. and i think that not abuse them. and i think that tmaaa— not abuse them. and i think that tmaaa mata— not abuse them. and i think that there have been— not abuse them. and i think that there have been there have been tmottamts— there have been there have been incidents where _ there have been there have been incidents where have incidents where tasers have been asat— incidents where tasers have been used-wrongly— incidents where tasers have been used wrongly, frankly , i used utterly wrongly, frankly, i woatt—a- used utterly wrongly, frankly, i would—a taser- used utterly wrongly, frankly, i would—a taser a would rather have a taser than a tam.— would rather have a taser than a tam. t— would rather have a taser than a tam. t-tmat-s— would rather have a taser than a gun. i-that's what- would rather have a taser than a gun. i-that's what i- would rather have a taser than a gun. i that's what i find gun. i mean, that's what i find aaatty— gun. i mean, that's what i find aaatty soaay— gun. i mean, that's what i find

aaatty soaay ts— gun. i mean, that's what i find really scary is guns on the staaat— really scary is guns on the street because— really scary is guns on the street because for some reason, twa— street because for some reason, i've never understood when and am — i've never understood when and am tmmttmt— i've never understood when and am tmmttmt ot— i've never understood when and i'm thinking of the american pottoa— i'm thinking of the american pottoa, ty— i'm thinking of the american pottoa, ty tma— i'm thinking of the american police, by the way, not the aatttsm — police, by the way, not the british. when _ police, by the way, not the british. when they use when they use british. when they use when they gums, tmay— british. when they use when they use guns, they shoot to kill. t hey— use guns, they shoot to kill. tmay tom-t— use guns, they shoot to kill. they don't shoot— use guns, they shoot to kill. they don't shoot to injure. wmaaaas— they don't shoot to injure. whereas the _ they don't shoot to injure. whereas the whole point about a tasaa— whereas the whole point about a tasaa ts— whereas the whole point about a tasaa ts yoa— whereas the whole point about a taser is you're just— whereas the whole point about a taser is you're just trying to ttsatta— taser is you're just trying to disable somebody . i mean, i disable somebody. i mean, i tmmt— disable somebody. i mean, i tmmt tmay— disable somebody. i mean, i think they should be used , as think they should be used, as you— think they should be used, as you say,— think they should be used, as you say, tmay— think they should be used, as you say, they should not be stamtaat— you say, they should not be standard issue. - you say, they should not be standard issue. /tit. standard issue. you know, i think they should be standard issue. i, i would not not issue. i, i do. i would not not walk the streets of this country with the absolute state of some of the stuff that these kids carry down their pants these days. not put myself in days. i would not put myself in the of that without at the the way of that without at the very taser to protect very least, a taser to protect me. so i would say i would go further out and say i want more tasers to protect the police, not less. well, i think they need we need it properly. need we need to use it properly. sorry, alex. sorry. please. ttaaa-s— sorry, alex. sorry. please. there's an educated person on the you. educated the panel. thank you. educated people. go . where people. carry on. you go. where do you. where you stand? did do you. where do you stand? did you him? everyone there. you hear him? everyone there. because quietly because he only did it quietly under his breath, he was correcting grandmother. correcting my grandmother.

thanks, alex. michelle. i. i think i'm comfortable- pix tti i.i think i'm comfortable with pix ti. ti. i. i think i'm comfortable with the ooamapoamsa— think i'm comfortable with the compromise that— think i'm comfortable with the compromise that we have in ttmttmt— compromise that we have in ttmttmt soa— compromise that we have in finding some other thing to. and the finding some other thing to. and taaa pottoa— finding some other thing to. and the police have— finding some other thing to. and the police have to— finding some other thing to. and the police have to have some moam— the police have to have some toam ot— the police have to have some form of ability— the police have to have some form of ability beyond that of the form of ability beyond that of tma tamaaat— form of ability beyond that of the general public. but that is not firearms. _ the general public. but that is not firearms. so _ the general public. but that is not firearms. so i'm with soaatatt— not firearms. so i'm with scarlett that _ not firearms. so i'm with scarlett that i,- not firearms. so i'm with scarlett that i, i think it's taa— scarlett that i, i think it's taa tattaa— scarlett that i, i think it's far better to— scarlett that i, i think it's far better to have an unarmed in ttsat— far better to have an unarmed in that samsa— far better to have an unarmed in that sense police— far better to have an unarmed in that sense police and it reminds us that sense police and it reminds as ot— that sense police and it reminds as ot tma— that sense police and it reminds us of the peelian_ that sense police and it reminds us of the peelian tradition that we us of the peelian tradition that wa pottoa— us of the peelian tradition that we police ourselves and that the pottoa— we police ourselves and that the pottoa aaa— we police ourselves and that the pottoa ot— we police ourselves and that the police are of our— we police ourselves and that the police are of our community aatmaa— police are of our community aatmaa taam— police are of our community rather than some kind of paaamttttaay— paramilitary organisation that amtoasttaa— paramilitary organisation that enforces the law— paramilitary organisation that enforces the law upon us. a mottom— enforces the law upon us. a mottom ty— enforces the law upon us. a mottom ty tma— enforces the law upon us. a notion by the way, not particularly- notion by the way, not particularly assisted by the way way— particularly assisted by the way tmay taataamtty— particularly assisted by the way they frequently now waddle aomt— they frequently now waddle around -these- they frequently now waddle around these anti stab around with these anti stab aasst— around with these anti stab vests, hands— around with these anti stab vests, hands tucked into them, tastoomat— vests, hands tucked into them, festooned with— vests, hands tucked into them, festooned with equipment like tmay-aa— festooned with equipment like tmay-aa tma— festooned with equipment like they're the paramilitary wing of they're the paramilitary wing of taaa aaattam— they're the paramilitary wing of the guardian or— they're the paramilitary wing of the guardian or something, oomtmt— the guardian or something, oomtmt to— the guardian or something, coming to tell— the guardian or something, coming to tell you off about yoa— coming to tell you off about yoaa twaats. — coming to tell you off about your tweets. but— coming to tell you off about your tweets. but i am glad that tmoatm— your tweets. but i am glad that even though we— your tweets. but i am glad that even though we do see firearms amoaa-amoaa tm— even though we do see firearms more more in country more and more in this country now,.see firearms- more and more in this country now, see firearms around now, we see firearms around camtaat— now, we see firearms around central london— now, we see firearms around central london and in our atapoats— central london and in our atapoats amt,— central london and in our airports and, you know, we're ttmttmt— airports and, you know, we're ttmttmt oa— airports and, you know, we're finding more and— airports and, you know, we're finding more and more exceptions to bring— finding more and more exceptions to tatmg gums— finding more and more exceptions to bring guns onto— finding more and more exceptions to bring guns onto the streets for to bring guns onto the streets toa ow— to bring guns onto the streets for our police. _ to bring guns onto the streets for our police. but notwithstanding that, i'm glad that—standard-

notwithstanding that, i'm glad that standard issue that guns aren't standard issue .-tastoatty— that guns aren't standard issue . basically content with . and i'm basically content with the compromise— . and i'm basically content with the compromise tasers are the compromise that tasers are or the compromise that tasers are oa maat— the compromise that tasers are oa mttmt ta— the compromise that tasers are oa mttmt ta tm— the compromise that tasers are or might be in your example , if or might be in your example, if i or might be in your example, if t was— or might be in your example, if t tama— or might be in your example, if i was prime minister, there woatt— i was prime minister, there woatt ta. — i was prime minister, there would be. but— i was prime minister, there would be. ”cl i was prime minister, there would be. ”ti: i was prime minister, there would be. but they're not with this with this case that you're talking about, afraid talking about, i'm afraid i don't talking about, i'm afraid i dont be talking about, i'm afraid i don't be callous or don't mean to be callous or flippant, but accidents do happen. and i'm sure that the otttoaas— happen. and i'm sure that the officers didn't— happen. and i'm sure that the officers didn't mean- and i'm sure that the officers didn't mean for this paaso— officers didn't mean for this paasomltatt— officers didn't mean for this person lfall off- officers didn't mean for this person lfall off a- officers didn't mean for this person fall off a building person to fall off a building maatmt— person to fall off a building maatma taam— person to fall off a building having been tasered. they were maamt— having been tasered. they were maamt-t— having been tasered. they were meant-i assume— having been tasered. they were meant i assume were meant i'm i assume they were maamtmt— meaning to pacify that person amt—- meaning to pacify that person amt—. aati meaning to pacify that personi amt—. tat t and restrain that person. but i woatt— and restrain that person. but i woatt atso— and restrain that person. but i would also agree— and restrain that person. but i would also agree with scarlet in that— would also agree with scarlet in that-taasttom— would also agree with scarlet in that-question here- would also agree with scarlet in that question here is that the big question here is aaoat— that the big question here is aaoat-amt- that the big question here is about and protocol and about training and protocol and paooataaa— about training and protocol and procedure rather— about training and protocol and procedure rather than whether tmay— procedure rather than whether may—oa- procedure rather than whether. tmay—oa smoatt they should have them or should taaa— they should have them or should maaa taam— they should have them or should maaa tmam oa— they should have them or should have them or not.— they should have them or should have them or not. they should taaa— have them or not. they should have something— have them or not. they should have something short of ttaaas— firearms. that means they're tattaa— firearms. that means they're better equipped— firearms. that means they're better equipped than the average paaso — better equipped than the average paaso _toaat- person. what i also found an interesting dynamic to these kind of conversations where interesting dynamic to these kiithef conversations where interesting dynamic to these kiithelineiversations where interesting dynamic to these kiithe line of rsations where interesting dynamic to these kiithe line of responsibilityere interesting dynamic to these kiithe line of responsibility ?e is the line of responsibility? arnie so we always see these kind of horrific scenes that are unfolding and we see all this footage that, you know, the bodycam footage and these scenes are awful and they're bad enough watching the comfort watching them from the comfort of room. and i of your living room. and then i watch these officers and i think, gosh, to in that think, gosh, to be in that situation you're

situation real time, you're frightened. know what frightened. you don't know what this they're this person is. they're unpredictable. they're charging at knife or whatever at you with a knife or whatever it and they act it is, and they act instinctively and this instinctively. and then this person unfortunately be, person might, unfortunately be, you know, unintentionally go on and then die. everyone then becomes armchair police officers going, oh, he was in the wrong. he was in the wrong. but where is the line of responsibility? so if do taser somebody with so if you do taser somebody with i so if you do taser somebody with | , so if you do taser somebody with i , want say good i mean, i want to say good intention. what i mean is the right intention, which is to protect the safety of all. and then sometimes wrong. then sometimes goes wrong. yeah, it that it goes wrong. should that police officer then be held accountable essentially for manslaughter ? daughter manslaughter? daughter oh, sorry. well i mean, sorry. go ahead. well i mean, i do sorry. go ahead. well i mean, i to tmmt— sorry. go ahead. well i mean, i to tmmt tts— sorry. go ahead. well i mean, i do think it's all— go ahead. well i mean, i do think it's all about taatmtmt. — do think it's all about taatmtmt. t— do think it's all about training. i mean, when you say that— training. i mean, when you say their instincts,— training. i mean, when you say their instincts, their instincts are different— their instincts, their instincts are different from ours because tmay-aa— are different from ours because they're trained _ are different from ours because they're trained ._ are different from ours because they're trained . i— are different from ours because they're trained . i mean, the they're trained. i mean, the wtaota— they're trained. i mean, the wmota potmt— they're trained. i mean, the whole point about policing is, is whole point about policing is, ts tmat— whole point about policing is, is that they're _ whole point about policing is, is that they're not you know, tmay— is that they're not you know, tmay tmay— is that they're not you know, tmay tmay tmay— is that they're not you know, they they they know what to do in situations— they they they know what to do in situations ._ they they they know what to do in situations. i— they they they know what to do in situations. i mean, you see toot— in situations. i mean, you see toot pottoamam— in situations. i mean, you see good policemen. i— in situations. i mean, you see good policemen. i mean , the good policemen. i mean, the mast— good policemen. i mean, the ttast ttma,— good policemen. i mean, the first thing, they're not robots. tmaaa-s— first thing, they're not robots. tmaaa-s mo— first thing, they're not robots. there's no the— first thing, they're not robots. there's no the first thing the ttast— there's no the first thing the ttast ttma— there's no the first thing the first thing that— there's no the first thing the first thing that you see a pottoamam— first thing that you see a policeman do— first thing that you see a policeman do is they try and

towaa— policeman do is they try and towaa tma— policeman do is they try and lower the temperature . i mean, lower the temperature. i mean, that— lower the temperature. i mean, that amt— lower the temperature. i mean, that and that's— lower the temperature. i mean, that and that's exactly what may— that and that's exactly what may smoatt— that and that's exactly what they should do. _ that and that's exactly what they should do. it's quite they should do. and it's quite tmtaaasttmt. — they should do. and it's quite interesting. iwas— they should do. and it's quite interesting. was talking interesting. i was talking to a to am— interesting. i was talking to a to an american— interesting. i was talking to a to an american guy in who to an american police guy in who was-tast— to an american police guy in who was-tact atom— to an american police guy in who was back from kosovo and was coming back from kosovo and he was coming back from kosovo and ma aaptatmat— was coming back from kosovo and he explained it's— was coming back from kosovo and he explained it's exactly the oppostta— he explained it's exactly the oppostta tm— he explained it's exactly the opposite in america. i mean, tastoatty— opposite in america. i mean, tastoatty, yoa— opposite in america. i mean, basically, you think everybody is basically, you think everybody ts-to— basically, you think everybody ts-to tay— basically, you think everybody ts-to tay amt— basically, you think everybody is-to try and -you i basically, you think everybody is to try and you and is going to try and kill you and tmay— is going to try and kill you and tmay awa— is going to try and kill you and they were trained _ is going to try and kill you and they were trained ing kosovan pottoa— they were trained ing kosovan police officers— they were trained ing kosovan police officers to _ they were trained ing kosovan police officers to get their gums— police officers to get their aams oat— police officers to get their guns out first. _ police officers to get their guns out first. and the whole potmt— guns out first. and the whole potmt atoat— guns out first. and the whole point about the _ guns out first. and the whole point about the british police is, point about the british police ts ts— point about the british police ts ts to— point about the british police ts ts to tama— point about the british police is, is to bring down the temperature— is, is to bring down the temperature of a situation which is temperature of a situation which ts amot— temperature of a situation which ts wmota ts— temperature of a situation which is which is what— temperature of a situation which is which is what they should be totmt. — is which is what they should be totmt. tts— is which is what they should be totmg. tt-s toot— is which is what they should be doing. g: �*2 doing. it's good you're right. the americans have always believed in peace through superior firepower, but has always narrative. and superior firepower, but has avalue narrative. and superior firepower, but has avalue the narrative. and superior firepower, but has avalue the british narrative. and superior firepower, but has avalue the british tradition, and i value the british tradition, although i worry sometimes looking at how policing is conducted, never conducted, you should never judge single clip judge things from a single clip taken mobile taken from someone's mobile phone. seem the phone. but it does seem the tenor and tone of our police activity have changed somewhat. but point that but i accept your point that officers are trained, but they are being judged sometimes are still being judged sometimes months the event by months after the event by a split second decision made under high pressure and training can assist you in making that decision. it doesn't mean

decision. but it doesn't mean that activities or your that your activities or your your work going to be your your work are going to be perfect. your point, michel, perfect. to your point, michel, you about what if you were asking about what if someone on and dies? well, someone goes on and dies? well, whether if someone dies in police custody at the hands police custody or at the hands of police, to put it bluntly of the police, to put it bluntly and always going be and there's always going to be and there's always going to be an investigation, that investigation then investigation will then decide whether police whether or not the police behaved appropriately. that's only right. and proper if someone loses their life . what someone loses their life. what we remind ourselves is we should remind ourselves is that it doesn't happen that often. that's why are often. that's why people are able evaluate things able to evaluate these things robustly, properly and in a proper investigation. it's not something that happens dozens of times a day or a week or a month. it's very uncommon for someone die under the of someone to die under the hand of the police. in the uk, few and far between. would you be a pottoa— far between. would you be a police officer— far between. would you be a police officer if— far between. would you be a police officer if you- ’“ would you be a police officer if you did not taaa— police officer if you did not have protection? have adequate protection? you maat— have adequate protection? you mam—a- have adequate protection? you mttmt—a tasaal have adequate protection? you| might—a taser is might not think that a taser is atataata— might not think that a taser is adequate protection. you might tmmt— adequate protection. you might tmmt yoa— adequate protection. you might think you don't— adequate protection. you might think you don't that. you think you don't need that. you maat— think you don't need that. you mam-my— think you don't need that. you mam-my samp- think you don't need that. you might my camp and say not might be in my camp and say not on might be in my camp and say not om yoa— might be in my camp and say not om yoaa matty. — might be in my camp and say not on your nelly. would i be mmmtmt— on your nelly. would i be running danger running towards danger if i tttm-ta— running towards danger if i didn't?.the_ running towards danger if i didn't? the very least have a didn't? at the very least have a tasaa— didn't? at the very least have a. tasa—mow taser gbviews@gbnews.uk is how you aaast— taser gbviews@gbnews.uk is how you aaast ma— taser gbviews@gbnews.uk is how you reach me now.— taser gbviews@gbnews.uk is how you reach me now. have you been woattmt— you reach me now. have you been woattmt-moma— you reach me now. have you been working home today? so,

working from home today? if so, yoa-aa— working from home today? if so, yoa tasty. — working from home today? if so, you're lucky. so—and—so. it's toaaty— you're lucky. so—and—so. it's toaaty-a— you're lucky. so—and—so. it's lovely,-a nice- lovely, isn't it? a nice patattata— lovely, isn't it? a nice privilege, but should it be a mama— privilege, but should it be a right? shouldn't organisation taaa— right? shouldn't organisation maaa to— right? shouldn't organisation maaa to tat— right? shouldn't organisation have to let you— right? shouldn't organisation have to let you work from home? saa— have to let you work from home? saa yoa— have to let you work from home? saa yoa .—

.uk. now and place your vote gb waws— .uk. now and place your vote gb news britain's— .uk. now and place your vote gb news britain's news . channel news britain's news. channel t-m — news britain's news. channel t-m tttotatta— news britain's news. channel i'm michelle dewberry- news britain's news. channel i'm michelle dewberry right through till 7:00. scarlett mccgwire through till 7:00. scarlett woogwtaa ts— through till 7:00. scarlett mccgwire is the- g "00 scarlett mccgwire is the former labour atatsaa— mccgwire is the former labour atatsaa amt— mccgwire is the former labour adviser and writer and alex dean is adviser and writer and alex dean ts a— adviser and writer and alex dean ts a pottttoat— adviser and writer and alex dean is a political consultant. helen mas— is a political consultant. helen mas taam— is a political consultant. helen mas taam tm— is a political consultant. helen has been in touch.— is a political consultant. helen has been in touch. yes, you tattmttaty— has been in touch. yes, you definitely did— has been in touch. yes, you definitely did call scarlett statta. — definitely did call scarlett spent. sne— definitely did call scarlett stella. she heard it. we matmtatm— stella. she heard it. we matmtatm .— stella. she heard it. we maintain . no,- stella. she heard it. we maintain. no, i don't think i at.— maintain. no, i don't think i at toa— maintain. no, i don't think i at top aays— maintain. no, i don't think i did. you guys talking about you tmow— did. you guys talking about you tmow, what-s— did. you guys talking about you know, what's going to happen may-aa— know, what's going to happen now. they're all— know, what's going to happen now. they're all going to send in now. they're all going to send tm a— now. they're all going to send tm a tap— now. they're all going to send tm a ottp amt— now. they're all going to send in a clip and i'm— now. they're all going to send in a clip and i'm going to have to aat— in a clip and i'm going to have to eat humble— in a clip and i'm going to have to eat humble pie.— in a clip and i'm going to have to eat humble pie. richard, tattmt— to eat humble pie. richard, talking about— to eat humble pie. richard, talking about the police, he says— talking about the police, he says ot— talking about the police, he says, of course,— talking about the police, he says, of course, the police stowt— says, of course, the police smoatt aaay— says, of course, the police should carry tasers. else should carry tasers. what else woatt— should carry tasers. what else aomt—taam- should carry tasers. what else. would—them armed would people have them armed wttm— would people have them armed with-dusters?- would people have them armed with-dusters? i- would people have them armed with dusters? i think with feather dusters? i think you— with feather dusters? i think yoa-toot— with feather dusters? i think you-qood-50| with feather dusters? i thinki yoa-toot-so t with feather dusters? i think. you-good-so i do with feather dusters? i think- you-good-so i do a you make a good point. so i do a taw— you make a good point. so i do a taw-tatttmt— you make a good point. so i do a taw-tatttmt tm— you make a good point. so i do a few-getting in touch- few people getting in touch saytmp— few people getting in touch saying, actually, it's guns that the saying, actually, it's guns that ttma-stowt— saying, actually, it's guns that the-should have.- saying, actually, it's guns that the should have. you've the police should have. you've got—slippery- the police should have. you've got slippery slope,

got to. that's a slippery slope, you— got to. that's a slippery slope, yoa—omta- got to. that's a slippery slope, yo—oa yoal got to. that's a slippery slope,- you_once you armed you know, because once you armed the you know, because once you armed taaa pottoa— you know, because once you armed taaa pottoa, a— you know, because once you armed the police, a standard with tama— the police, a standard with gums-tmow— the police, a standard with. guns,-know-going the police, a standard with- guns,-know-going to guns, you know what's going to mappam,— guns, you know what's going to happen,_criminals. guns, you know what's going to happen, criminals are happen, then more criminals are going— happen, then more criminals are 9°i“9_y0u- happen, then more criminals are 90i"9_y0u tmowl going to have guns. you know whats— going to have guns. you know wtaat-s-mappam.- going to have guns. you know what's happen. then what's going to happen. then yoa-aa— what's going to happen. then yoa-aa-to— what's going to happen. then you're-to have- what's going to happen. then you're to have homeowners you're going to have homeowners smaattty— you're going to have homeowners sneakily. i suspect— you're going to have homeowners sneakily. suspect trying sneakily. i suspect, trying to get— sneakily. i suspect, trying to tat gums— sneakily. i suspect, trying to get guns . protect - sneakily. i suspect, trying to get guns protect themselves. get guns to protect themselves. amt— get guns to protect themselves. amt aomt— get guns to protect themselves. and around around down get guns to protect themselves. and down,i around down get guns to protect themselves. and down, you around down get guns to protect themselves. and down, you descend. down get guns to protect themselves. and down, you descend. cwould and down, you descend. who would wamt— and down, you descend. who would wamtlttaa— and down, you descend. who would wamtlttaa tm— and down, you descend. who would want-live in that— and down, you descend. who would want live in that society? want to live in that society? i woatt— want to live in that society? i woatt woaay— want to live in that society? i would worry. exactly. i would woaay— would worry. exactly. i would woaay-tmat. — would worry. exactly. i would woaay-ttaat-ts- would worry. exactly. i would worry-that.-is fori worry about that. that is for taap— worry about that. that is for sure. keep your— worry about that. that is for sure. keep your thoughts, tmoatm— sure. keep your thoughts, though. coming in. i was just aaoat— though. coming in. i was just atoatlsay— though. coming in. i was just atoatlsay t— though. coming in. i was just about-say i was- though. coming in. i was just about say i was just about to about to say i was just about to aaat— about to say i was just about to aaat amotmaa— about to say i was just about to read another another topic, but tastoatty—ttl basically, long story short, if you— basically, long story short, if you-a— basically, long story short, if yoa-a pottoa— basically, long story short, if you a police officer and you you are a police officer and you do you are a police officer and you toloat— you are a police officer and you toloat tmo— you are a police officer and you do.out into the— you are a police officer and you do out into the street do go out into the street wttmoat— do go out into the street withoutltaser,- do go out into the street without taser, you feel without a taser, do you feel sata — without a taser, do you feel sata a— without a taser, do you feel sata a t— without a taser, do you feel safe ? i wonder— without a taser, do you feel safe ? i wonder if you do. safe? i wonder if you do. i tom-t— safe? i wonder if you do. i tom-t tmmt— safe? i wonder if you do. i don't think i— safe? i wonder if you do. i don't think i would. right have you taam— don't think i would. right have you been working— don't think i would. right have you been working from home totaya— you been working from home totaya-mttmt— you been working from home today?-might be- you been working from home today? might be watching today? you might be watching me in today? you might be watching me tm—taast. — today? you might be watching me in_least. probably- in your pjs, at least. probably yoaa— in your pjs, at least. probably yoaa tottom — in your pjs, at least. probably your bottom half,— in your pjs, at least. probably your bottom half, top half your bottom half, your top half is your bottom half, your top half ts-motttmt— your bottom half, your top half is holding because is probably holding up because you mttmt— is probably holding up because you mttmt ta— is probably holding up because you might be pretending to do soa-o— you might be pretending to do some-on a zoom- you might be pretending to do some on a zoom call or some work on a zoom call or somatmmt. — some work on a zoom call or something. .it's- some work on a zoom call or something. it's isn't something. and it's nice, isn't it? something. and it's nice, isn't tta—tmatl it? on occasion to have that _tt-s— it? on occasion to have that nice. _it's quite- nice. i think it's quite a patattaga— nice. i think it's quite a privilege sometimes to work from moma— privilege sometimes to work from aoma, tat— privilege sometimes to work from home, but should— privilege sometimes to work from home, but should be the home, but should it be the matmta— home, but should it be the right? apparently i'll start home, but should it be the rightyou parently i'll start home, but should it be the rightyou on ently i'll start home, but should it be the rightyou on thisi i'll start home, but should it be the rightyou on this becauset with you on this because aoooattmt— with you on this because according to— with you on this because according to a- with you on this because according to a leaked version of the according to a leaked version of taaa tatoaa— according to a leaked version of the labour manifesto, it would be the labour manifesto, it would

ta toottmt— the labour manifesto, it would be looking likely— the labour manifesto, it would be looking likely that it would taooama— be looking likely that it would taooama a— be looking likely that it would become a right— be looking likely that it would become a right rather than a patattata— become a right rather than a privilege, working from home. taam— privilege, working from home. taaa. t— privilege, working from home. taaa. t taaa— privilege, working from home. yeah, i have to— privilege, working from home. yeah, i have to say— privilege, working from home. yeah, i have to say that- privilege, working from home. yeah, i have to say that the technical we the labour party has not decided because they haven't had their they haven't had their their forum to decide what what the manifesto is going to say. so we really don't know. toot,— to say. so we really don't know. toot, tma— to say. so we really don't know. toot, taaa ttma— to say. so we really don't know. look, the thing about— so we really don't know. look, the thing about working atom— look, the thing about working taom moma— look, the thing about working from home is— look, the thing about working from home is that that it's tmaaa— from home is that that it's there whether— from home is that that it's there whether you like it or mot. — there whether you like it or mot. tatat-s— there whether you like it or not. that's what- there whether you like it or not. that's what that's what paopta— not. that's what that's what paopta to — not. that's what that's what paopta to amt— not. that's what that's what people do and what i feel about it people do and what i feel about tt ts— people do and what i feel about tt ts aataatty— people do and what i feel about it is actually you— people do and what i feel about it is actually you can be tmoaatttty— it is actually you can be incredibly efficient working atom— incredibly efficient working taom aoma.— incredibly efficient working from home. there's no question. aat— from home. there's no question. tat tat— from home. there's no question. tat tat yoa— from home. there's no question. but but you lose— from home. there's no question. but but you lose a— from home. there's no question. but but you lose a lot. you lose you— but but you lose a lot. you lose you tosa— but but you lose a lot. you lose you tosa tma— but but you lose a lot. you lose you lose the creativity . and you lose the creativity. and what— you lose the creativity. and what a— you lose the creativity. and what a maat— you lose the creativity. and what i feel strongly about is for what i feel strongly about is toa yoamt— what i feel strongly about is for young people who are staattmt— for young people who are starting work— for young people who are starting work is i made all my tatamts— starting work is i made all my tatamts at— starting work is i made all my friends at work.— starting work is i made all my friends at work. i— starting work is i made all my friends at work. i mean that's tts— friends at work. i mean that's tt-s a— friends at work. i mean that's tt-s a aaay— friends at work. i mean that's as a way aasy— friends at work. i mean that's it's a very easy place . so what it's a very easy place. so what a tot— it's a very easy place. so what a tot ot— it's a very easy place. so what a lot of organised— it's a very easy place. so what a lot of organised nations do is, a lot of organised nations do ts ts— a lot of organised nations do ts ts that— a lot of organised nations do is, is that mondays and fridays soamattamas— is, is that mondays and fridays sometimes, sometimes not. taastay— sometimes, sometimes not. tuesday, wednesday, thursday, yoa-aa— tuesday, wednesday, thursday, yoa-aa tm— tuesday, wednesday, thursday, yoa tm tma— tuesday, wednesday, thursday, you're in the office and, and possttty— you're in the office and, and possibly that's— you're in the office and, and possibly that's the way we've got to — possibly that's the way we've got to to. — possibly that's the way we've got to to. toot.— possibly that's the way we've got to go. ”ti: possibly that's the way we've got to go. look, i'm aware of my own background that i have an

office too, job so that's pretty . the extent to which the labour party says working from home should be a right just demonstrates the near complete separation of the labour party from its traditional voters . from its traditional voters. this is the most quintessentially middle class policy i've ever heard . you policy i've ever heard. you can't be a baker and work from home. you can't be a sparky or carpenter and work from home. you can't deliver the food that middle class people ordered dunng middle class people ordered during coronavirus and work from home. these jobs require you to go out and get into the field. and the fact that nobody around the labour party conference table as they came up with a policy thought, hang on a minute, what about working class people? everything people? it tells you everything you need to know about the state of modern labour is of the modern labour party is that this is ridiculous that i think this is ridiculous and i think i think actually playing politics something playing politics with something as a as important as as as such a change. sure, there's lots of tots. — change. sure, there's lots of tots. t— change. sure, there's lots of tots. t am,aam— change. sure, there's lots of jobs. i mean, you— ig sure, there's lots of jobs. i mean, you can't work atom— jobs. i mean, you can't work taom moma— jobs. i mean, you can't work from home, right? i mean, we aam-t— from home, right? i mean, we sat woat— from home, right? i mean, we can't work from _ from home, right? i mean, we can't work from home when we do tms— can't work from home when we do tms. tmaaa-s— can't work from home when we do this. there's masses— can't work from home when we do this. there's masses of jobs. i ton-t— this. there's masses of jobs. i ton-t wam— this. there's masses of jobs. i ton-t want to— this. there's masses of jobs. i don't want to socialise- this. there's masses of jobs. i don't want to socialise my- this. there's masses of jobs. i don't want to socialise my work

colleagues either. you don't want colleagues either. you don't wamt—yoaal want to socialise with your. atats— want to socialise with your. that's absolutely fine. that's that's absolutely fine. too— that's that's absolutely fine. 7:00iwant_ that's that's absolutely fine. 7:00iwant to— that's that's absolutely fine. 7:00iwant to be— that's that's absolutely fine. 7:00iwant to be gone.- that's that's absolutely fine. 7:00 i want to be gone. that's that's to in the that's to anyone in the background. i'm not saying that tmat-s—mappam- background. i'm not saying that that's—happen but. that's what should happen but i but that's what should happen but i tat-t— that's what should happen but i tat-t to— that's what should happen but i tat-t to tmow— that's what should happen but i but-i do know that- that's what should happen but i but i do know that for lots but but i do know that for lots amt— but but i do know that for lots amt tots— but but i do know that for lots amt tots ot— but but i do know that for lots and lots of people that actually tmay— and lots of people that actually tmay tmay— and lots of people that actually tmay tmay ss— and lots of people that actually they they miss they miss being in they they miss they miss being tm otatas— they they miss they miss being in offices and— they they miss they miss being in offices and what one is toottmt— in offices and what one is toottmo toa— in offices and what one is looking for is— in offices and what one is looking for is a- in offices and what one is looking for is a compromise. but i looking for is a compromise. but a tmmt— looking for is a compromise. but a tmmt to— looking for is a compromise. but i think to pretend— looking for is a compromise. but i think to pretend that working atom— i think to pretend that working taom moma— i think to pretend that working from home isn't— i think to pretend that working from home isn't now a given for an from home isn't now a given for am awtat— from home isn't now a given for am awtat tot— from home isn't now a given for an awful lot of— from home isn't now a given for an awful lot of people . an awful lot of people. but that-s— an awful lot of people. but ttat-s tts— an awful lot of people. but that's his point.— an awful lot of people. but that's his point. it's a given for a certain segment of society and the people that labour was supposedly about. it was supposedly all about. it was your shop workers. it was your care workers, it was your nurses, it was this. it was and it's women in admin , right? it's women in admin, right? lots and lots of women in it's women in admin, right? - lots and lots of women in admin. atats— lots and lots of women in admin. ttat-s tatto— lots and lots of women in admin. that's quite stereotypical. - lots and lots of women in admin. that's quite stereotypical. i'm- that's quite stereotypical. i'm talking about. so i'm talking aaoat— talking about. so i'm talking about women,— talking about. so i'm talking about women, low— “ti so i'm talking about women, low paid women in atmtm— about women, low paid women in atmtm . — about women, low paid women in atmtm . anyway.— about women, low paid women in admin . anyway, labour- about women, low paid women in admin . ' . titit“ i admin. anyway, labour don't even know what a woman is. half the time, too hard time, so they won't be too hard on shall i get so bored of on me. shall i get so bored of this one? right. we absolutely tmow— this one? right. we absolutely tmow-tatoaa,— this one? right. we absolutely know-labour,-or- know what labour, male or tamata. — know what labour, male or female. how— know what labour, male or female. how are- know what labour, male or female. pititi know what labour, male or female. i female. how are you supposed to be assistant working from be a shop assistant working from home? no, of course. there are

tots— home? no, of course. there are tots-tatat— home? no, of course. there are lots-that don't- home? no, of course. there are lots-that don't work- lots of jobs that don't work woattmt— lots of jobs that don't work working-home. - lots of jobs that don't work working home. but to then working from home. but to then say,— working from home. but to then say, yoa— working from home. but to then say, you tmow— working from home. but to then say, you know, the— working from home. but to then say, you know, the jobs that do amt— say, you know, the jobs that do amt aotaatty— say, you know, the jobs that do and actually, know , for lots and actually, you know, for lots amt— and actually, you know, for lots amt tots— and actually, you know, for lots amt tots ot— and actually, you know, for lots and lots of mums— and actually, you know, for lots and lots of mums as parents, but we and lots of mums as parents, but wa att— and lots of mums as parents, but wa att tmow— and lots of mums as parents, but we all know who— and lots of mums as parents, but we all know who does the most of the we all know who does the most of taaa wot.— we all know who does the most of taaa woat. tts— we all know who does the most of the work. it's made— we all know who does the most of the work. it's made the whole ttttaaamoa — the work. it's made the whole difference to _ the work. it's made the whole difference to how— the work. it's made the whole difference to how they can work. why— difference to how they can work. may on — difference to how they can work. may on aata— difference to how they can work. why on earth would— difference to how they can work. why on earth would you- difference to how they can work. why on earth would you think it's the states role to come in and say you have to give these people in the segment that can let work from home? you let people work from home? you have than letting the have to, rather than letting the market itself if market sort itself out. so if you're right and people find it that then that much more attractive, then they determine part of they will determine as part of their which job their selection of which job they to next, whether or not they go to next, whether or not they go to next, whether or not they can work as they wish. but do there's no point? do you think there's no point? do you think there's no basis at all do you think there's no basis at attltma— do you think there's no basis at all-the concept— do you think there's no basis at all the concept actually all in the concept that actually wham— all in the concept that actually waaam-toot— all in the concept that actually wmam-toot at— all in the concept that actually when look at labour and you when you look at labour and you tast—tmmpl just dismiss that woman thing, but just dismiss that woman thing, tat-yoa— just dismiss that woman thing, tat-yoa tmow- just dismiss that woman thing, but you know, they're but actually, you know, they're tma— but actually, you know, they're taaa tast— but actually, you know, they're now the fact that— but actually, you know, they're now the fact that starmer now the fact that keir starmer aaas— now the fact that keir starmer aaas-taatmtmt- now the fact that keir starmer mas-taatmtmt ap- now the fact that keir starmer has training up to has had pr training up to his ayatatts—ma- has had pr training up to his eyeballs—he cani eyeballs so that now he can atmost— eyeballs so that now he can almost answer— eyeballs so that now he can almost answer a— eyeballs so that now he can almost answer a question about amat— almost answer a question about what-ts— almost answer a question about what-ts tma- almost answer a question about what-is, the fact- almost answer a question about what is, the fact that what a woman is, the fact that he what a woman is, the fact that ma-atta— what a woman is, the fact that ma-atta to— what a woman is, the fact that he-able to answer- what a woman is, the fact that he able to answer that he wasn't able to answer that otaaty— he wasn't able to answer that otaaaty om— he wasn't able to answer that clearly on second— he wasn't able to answer that clearly on second number one, mot—saoomt- clearly on second number one, mot—saoomt, omai clearly on second number one,i not—second, one to not even day one second, one to tt— not even day one second, one to tt yoa— not even day one second, one to tt yoa wamt— not even day one second, one to me, if you went around most woattmt—amtl me, if you went around most. working—and asked working class people and asked

taam— working class people and asked mam-tmow— working class people and asked them,-know what- working class people and asked them, know what a woman them, do you know what a woman is, them, do you know what a woman ts to— them, do you know what a woman ts to tmow— them, do you know what a woman ts to tmow tmay— them, do you know what a woman is, do know they would know what it is, do know they would know what tt—was— is, do know they would know what tt—was a— is, do know they would know what it_was a departure- it is? so that was a departure atom— it is? so that was a departure taom tt— it is? so that was a departure taom tt. tms— it is? so that was a departure from it. this-the- it is? so that was a departure from it. this the departure from it. this is the departure atom— from it. this is the departure atom-yoa— from it. this is the departure atom-yoa woaay- from it. this is the departure from you worry about from it. don't you worry about that.— from it. don't you worry about that-lap.— from it. don't you worry about that.ino,imean,_ from it. don't you worry about that.ino,imean, i- from it. don't you worry about that. \ttiit ’“ i that. no, i mean, i actually i actually think that that working class people absolutely fine class people are absolutely fine with their with people who change their genden with people who change their gender, pretend that gender, actually to pretend that all working that all working class people that you born a woman and you have to be born a woman and to be a woman. i mean, that isn't that just isn't true. right so you think right so do you think a ttotootoat— right so do you think a biological man- 33 so do you think a biological man can become a ttotottoat— biological man can become a biological woman? i think you can change your gender, but not your think that your sex. right. i think that actually if you if a woman is your sex. yeah. i said you can't change your sex. you can change your gender, but then you can't. a man can't become a woman a man then can't become a woman amt— a man then can't become a woman amt-saytmt— a man then can't become a woman amt-saytmt-oam- a man then can't become a woman and saying can change and you're saying you can change yoaa— and you're saying you can change yoaa oamtaa— and you're saying you can change yoaa oamtaa tat— and you're saying you can change your gender but not— and you're saying you can change your gender but not your sex. so if your gender but not your sex. so ta ta— your gender but not your sex. so ta ta pats— your gender but not your sex. so ta ta pats a— your gender but not your sex. so if he puts a dress— your gender but not your sex. so if he puts a dress on, which is tma— if he puts a dress on, which is taaa tamtaa— if he puts a dress on, which is the gender depiction in a lot of ot— the gender depiction in a lot of cases oflwoman_ the gender depiction in a lot of cases of woman still young and cases of a woman still young and eurovision's on yeah. eurovision's on later, yeah. taam— eurovision's on later, yeah. . tmam —statta eurovision's on later, yeah. - then—stellar and then he can't become stellar and tmaaatoaa— then he can't become stellar and therefore .classed _ then he can't become stellar and therefore-classed as- then he can't become stellar and therefore classed as a woman therefore be classed as a woman in therefore be classed as a woman tm ms— therefore be classed as a woman tm ms tamtaa— therefore be classed as a woman in his gender. nana— therefore be classed as a woman in his gender. nana surely. do you— in his gender. nana surely. do you tmmt— in his gender. nana surely. do you tmmt ma— in his gender. nana surely. do you think he can? \tit titit you think he can? no, i do not believe that if alex decided to believe that if alex decided to be a woman tonight , that that be a woman tonight, that that that he would become a woman.

but do believe that there are but i do believe that there are there are a minority, a small minority of people who feel very, very unhappy in the gender in which they're born. right. and they change gender. and this has been happening for centuries. born into a biological sex, aren't they . biological sex, aren't they. they but but they they feel assigned this they're not assigned this they're not assigned a sex at birth . they assigned a sex at birth. they literally they feel very very unhappy. it doesn't it doesn't work for them. and these are the people who've probably they've been teased at school. life is life is pretty awful for them . life is pretty awful for them. and actually, what really gets me about these culture wars is , me about these culture wars is, is that the people who are probably the most discriminated against, incredibly vulnerable people , we sort of we use them people, we sort of we use them to make political points . i to make political points. i mean, i just think they should be left alone. and it's been going on for centuries and it's not a political thing blew about it. it's facts matter. me may-aa— it. it's facts matter. me they're we're— it. it's facts matter. me they're we're a- it. it's facts matter. me they're we're a long way from working from home, aren't we? but yeah, yeah, absolutely. the difference here isn't as you

describe it has been going for on centuries. and frankly, i don't care if a man asks me to call him shirley, i will because i am polite. the that's not what this is. this is about some people saying i have the right now to control your speech and your thoughts, which i do not concede. you have to now accept and believe that i am a woman in this environment. in fact, you are a bigot. if you don't. i have now declared myself to be a woman, and the extent to which you think i'm not you are a bigot and you will refer to me as she. actually, i'm sorry. i've mind. back i've changed my mind. i'm back to he now i'm on she again. and then while you're at it,- to he now i'm on she again. and then while you're at it, you- then while you're at it, you women,-now got. then while you're at it, you. women,-now got-call women, you've now got to call yoaasatt— women, you've now got to call yoaasatt ats— women, you've now got to call yourself cis woman. i'm sorry, tat— yourself cis woman. i'm sorry, tat-mot— yourself cis woman. i'm sorry, tat-mot toa— yourself cis woman. i'm sorry, tat-mot toa ma— yourself cis woman. i'm sorry, tat-mot toa ma .- yourself cis woman. i'm sorry, but not for me . no, we're but it's not for me. no, we're tattmt— but it's not for me. no, we're talking about.— but it's not for me. no, we're talking about. wbii: ”ti: “ti talking about. we're talking about the absolute extremes for most people. i mean, we're not talking about extremes. i'm sure i read a story not that— talking about extremes. i'm sure i read a story not that long- i read a story not that long ago.— i read a story not that long ago. at— i read a story not that long ago. at taats— i read a story not that long ago. it feels like- i read a story not that long ago. it feels like today. it mttmt— ago. it feels like today. it. might—yesterday ago. it feels like today. it- might_yesterday where might have been yesterday where a—saotat— might have been yesterday where a—saotat toa- might have been yesterday where a_sacked for not- a teacher was sacked for not astmt— a teacher was sacked for not astmt tma— a teacher was sacked for not using the pronouns choosing using the pronouns and choosing paomoamsaml— using the pronouns and choosing pronouns-an eight— using the pronouns and choosing pronouns an eight year old. pronouns of an eight year old. t-m — pronouns of an eight year old. t-m saaa— pronouns of an eight year old. t-m t— pronouns of an eight year old. i'm sure i read— pronouns of an eight year old. i'm sure i read that story

madness. i i'm sure i read that story- madness. .because. because madness. but because. because there are always what i'm saying is extremes for most people is this extremes for most people for most people who have changed their gender, for most trans women and trans men actually all they want to do is to be left alone and to live. and they don't want to start saying to you, this. do that. let's try you, do this. do that. let's try and find you, do this. do that. let's try amt ttmt tma— you, do this. do that. let's try and find the point— you, do this. do that. let's try and find the point of- and find the point of compromise. /tit. and find the point of- compromise. you think let's and find the point of— compromise. you think let's find it quickly, because i've got to go to acas for adults, don't you? you don't think it's for atom— you? you don't think it's for attmt-ottsa — you? you don't think it's for eight-olds? n0,- you? you don't think it's for eight-olds? n0, of. you? you don't think it's for. eight-olds? n0, of course eight year olds? no, of course i don't. but there is a big thing in schools where do in schools where people do change age. i mean, you know, it's rebellion. the moment patmt— it's rebellion. the moment patmt. amt— it's rebellion. the momenti print. and-something it's rebellion. the moment- print. and-something as print. and that is something as awoaat—as ma.- a parent that worries me. tmyway— a parent that worries me. tmyway, wa— a parent that worries me. anyway, we went massively off topto—ttt- anyway, we went massively off topto—ttt amp-oy- anyway, we went massively off topic—did enjoy it.| topic there, but i did enjoy it. i'll topic there, but i did enjoy it. at ta— topic there, but i did enjoy it. at ta tast— topic there, but i did enjoy it. i'll be back in— topic there, but i did enjoy it. i'll be back in minutes and i'll be back in two minutes and i'll be back in two minutes and t wamt— i'll be back in two minutes and t wamt to— i'll be back in two minutes and i want to talk— i'll be back in two minutes and i want to talk to— i'll be back in two minutes and i want to talk to you simple taasttom.— i want to talk to you simplei question._dislike question. if you really dislike tms— question. if you really dislike tats—aaot,- question. if you really dislike this—fact, if- question. if you really dislike this—fact, if you. this country, in fact, if you mata— this country, in fact, if you mataltm— this country, in fact, if you mataltm yoaa— this country, in fact, if you hate in your own words, hate it in your own words, stowt— hate it in your own words, stoatt-ta- hate it in your own words,- should-be representing should you then be representing the should you then be representing ttma-a— should you then be representing the-a competition- should you then be representing the a competition such should you then be representing theeurovision?:ompetition such should you then be representing theeurovision? seeietition such should you then be representing theeurovision? see you on such should you then be representing theeurovision? see you .n such

in two. bnng in two. bring prosecco over here. hello, i'm michelle dewberry alongside scarlett mccgwire alongside with scarlett mccgwire is labour adviser is the former labour adviser and writer and alex is writer and alex stein is a political the political consultant and the fastest drinker in the west. not true. that's my new name. tts— not true. that's my new name. tt-s mot— not true. that's my new name. tt-s mot soot— not true. that's my new name. it's not cool for— not true. that's my new name. it's not cool for you anyway. toot— it's not cool for you anyway. toot mappy— it's not cool for you anyway. look happy friday. happy friday. wmom— look happy friday. happy friday. wmom ams— look happy friday. happy friday. which means i'm— look happy friday. happy friday. which means i'm not happy. i've mat— which means i'm not happy. i've mat to— which means i'm not happy. i've mat to smaa— which means i'm not happy. i've had to share my— which means i'm not happy. i've had to share my prosecco with soatatt— had to share my prosecco with scarlett today, _ had to share my prosecco with scarlett today, so. _ had to share my prosecco with scarlett today, so. look, look at my— scarlett today, so. look, look at my ttmy— scarlett today, so. look, look at my tiny little— scarlett today, so. look, look at my tiny little glass . i've at my tiny little glass. i've got— at my tiny little glass. i've got a— at my tiny little glass. i've got a minister.— at my tiny little glass. i've got a minister. - at my tiny little glass. i've got a minister. that's why you got a minister. that's why you got less. because there's two. yes, i'm sharing it. even though.— yes, i'm sharing it. even though. even— yes, i'm sharing it. even though. even though teach my though. even though i teach my two-ott— though. even though i teach my two-ott tmat— though. even though i teach my two old that sharing two year old that sharing is 90°dt_ two year old that sharing is toot, ltoasm-t— two year old that sharing is- good,.doesn't-expand good, it doesn't actually expand to-tottta— good, it doesn't actually expand to-tottta ot— good, it doesn't actually expand to bottle of prosecco. to a small bottle of prosecco. aat— to a small bottle of prosecco. tat-.— to a small bottle of prosecco. pn_, t— to a small bottle of prosecco. but-, i obviously- to a small bottle of prosecco. but , i obviously like it but anyway, i obviously like it taaasa— but anyway, i obviously like it because-sharing- but anyway, i obviously like it because sharing tonight, because i'm sharing tonight, so. amaas.— because i'm sharing tonight, so. amaas-tata— because i'm sharing tonight, so. cheers. - friday- all. j cheers. happy friday to you all. amaaas. — cheers. cheers let's talk eurovision _ cheers. cheers let's talk eurovision .— cheers. cheers let's talk eurovision . let's just get eurovision. let's just get a ttttta— eurovision. let's just get a ttttta ottp— eurovision. let's just get a ttttta ottp ap— eurovision. let's just get a little clip up of- eurovision. let's just get a little clip up of the person that— little clip up of the person that ts— little clip up of the person that is representing britain in tmstaat— that is representing britain in tmstaat .— that is representing britain in tmstaat , t— that is representing britain in instead , i song— that is representing britain in instead , i song about how you instead, i song about how you did instead, i song about how you ttt ma—

instead, i song about how you ttt ma waomt — instead, i song about how you did me wrong. i— instead, i song about how you did me wrong. ii tititi did me wrong. i could have cried at home and spent the night alone. i at home and spent the night alone . i panic for a split alone. i panic for a split saoomt— alone. i panic for a split second there— i panic for a split second there when i said let's get— second there when i said let's tat tma— second there when i said let's oat taaa ottp— second there when i said let's oat taaa ottp ap— second there when i said let's get the clip up and it didn't play-— get the clip up and it didn't ptay. t— get the clip up and it didn't ptay. t was— get the clip up and it didn't play. i was thinking, i am not saaaty— play. i was thinking, i am not saaaty ootmo— play. i was thinking, i am not saaaty going to— play. i was thinking, i am not surely going to have to get up amt— surely going to have to get up amt stmt— surely going to have to get up amt stmt amt— surely going to have to get up and sing and-and- surely going to have to get up and sing and and mark and sing and dance. and mark tmat— and sing and dance. and mark tmat paaso— and sing and dance. and mark that person, not— and sing and dance. and mark that person, not mark, but make mysatt— that person, not mark, but make mysatt paatamt— that person, not mark, but make myself pretend to— that person, not mark, but make myself pretend to be her. but amyway— myself pretend to be her. but amyway-ts- myself pretend to be her. but anyway, is britain's anyway, look, that is britain's taaoatstom— anyway, look, that is britain's taaoatstom-,— anyway, look, that is britain's eurovision-, mia- anyway, look, that is britain's eurovision , mia muller. anyway, look, that is britain's eurotheyn , mia muller. anyway, look, that is britain's eurothe reason , mia muller. anyway, look, that is britain's eurothe reason i'miia muller. anyway, look, that is britain's eurothe reason i'm raising.er. and the reason i'm raising ayataows— and the reason i'm raising eyebrows right— and the reason i'm raising eyebrows right tonight is taaasa— eyebrows right tonight is because she,— eyebrows right tonight is because she, in her own words, mas— because she, in her own words, mas-sma— because she, in her own words, mas—saa matas- because she, in her own words, has-she hates miss. has said that she hates miss tatatm— has said that she hates miss britain, which— has said that she hates miss britain, which has got me tmmttmt— britain, which has got me tmmttmt .— britain, which has got me tmmttmo . t— britain, which has got me thinking . i certainly not thinking. i certainly will not be-eurovision,- thinking. i certainly will not be eurovision, by the be watching eurovision, by the way.— be watching eurovision, by the way. taa— be watching eurovision, by the way. ma ma— be watching eurovision, by the way. i've never seen it in my ttta. — way. i've never seen it in my ttta. aat— way. i've never seen it in my life. but anyway,— way. i've never seen it in my life. but anyway, she's written i life. but anyway, she's written t-tms— life. but anyway, she's written t-tms ooamtay— life. but anyway, she's written i this country arnie. she i hate this country arnie. she waota— i hate this country arnie. she waota-say- i hate this country arnie. she waota-say tt- i hate this country arnie. she wrote - say it the - wrote f i won't say it the aoaas— wrote f i won't say it the toatas .— wrote f i won't say it the tories . when— wrote f i won't say it the tories . when boris johnson was tories. when boris johnson was ttomttmt— tories. when boris johnson was was fighting for— tories. when boris johnson was was fighting for his life with cowa— was fighting for his life with covtta saaa— was fighting for his life with covm, she said,— was fighting for his life with covid, she said, i do not feel soaay— covid, she said, i do not feel soaay toa— covid, she said, i do not feel sorry for boris— covid, she said, i do not feel sorry for boris johnson . then sorry for boris johnson. then staa— sorry for boris johnson. then sma wamt— sorry for boris johnson. then sma wamt om— sorry for boris johnson. then she went on and— sorry for boris johnson. then she went on and on. do you think tmat— she went on and on. do you think someone that has— she went on and on. do you think someone that has those views, amot— someone that has those views, wmota yoa-aa— someone that has those views, which you're allowed to have, by the which you're allowed to have, by taaa way,— which you're allowed to have, by taaa way, tt— which you're allowed to have, by taaa way, tt yoa— which you're allowed to have, by the way, if you want to have ttaosa— the way, if you want to have tmosa ataws— the way, if you want to have those views, free _ the way, if you want to have those views, free country, free spaaom — those views, free country, free spaaom tat— those views, free country, free speech, but should that be the paaso— speech, but should that be the paaso taam— speech, but should that be the person then that— speech, but should that be the person then that is represent tattmt— person then that is represent hating-country?- person then that is represent hating country? well, hating the country? well, i tmmt—

hating the country? well, i tmmtimaaa— hating the country? well, i think-have to- hating the country? well, i think have to this is think we have to ask, this is a young— think we have to ask, this is a yoamowoamam — think we have to ask, this is a yoamo t— think we have to ask, this is a young woman. i young woman. i don't know how old she was when she said said that i hate britain. suite 2019. no, that i hate britain. suite 2019. to, tatat-s— that i hate britain. suite 2019. to, was mot— that i hate britain. suite 2019. no, that's not-she- that i hate britain. suite 2019. no, that's not-she said. no, that's not when she said i mata— no, that's not when she said i hate britain. _ no, that's not when she said i hate britain. that's- no, that's not when she said i hate britain. “ hate britain. that's when she said she wasn't very keen on bods said she wasn't very keen on boris living which which boris johnson living which which at time. mean ijust boris johnson living which which at time. mean i just think at the time. i mean i just think people and say that was only people do and say that was only a couple of years ago. people do and a couple of years ago. people do amt-staptt— a couple of years ago. people do and-stupid things— a couple of years ago. people do and-stupid things and- a couple of years ago. people do and-stupid things and i- ti.tit. 3 people do and stupid things and i mean and say stupid things and i mean the and say stupid things and i mean taaa big— and say stupid things and i mean taaa big ttma— and say stupid things and i mean taaa big tmmo ts— and say stupid things and i mean the big thing is actually she's going— the big thing is actually she's aomt-tamam- the big thing is actually she's going german citizenship going to take german citizenship som—- going to take german citizenship sotm—spatm. | so that she can live in spain. atat— so that she can live in spain. tat that-s— so that she can live in spain. and that's-because- so that she can live in spain. and that's-because she. and that's just because she doesn't with brexit. doesn't agree with brexit. right. wants she right. because she wants she wants right to in wants the right to live in europe. but why would you europe. but then why would you have because, have that person? because, again, be have that person? because, again,.be clear,- have that person? because, again,.be clear, you- , because, again, be clear, you can have that person? because,- again,.be clear, you can have again, to be clear, you can have all again, to be clear, you can have at ot— again, to be clear, you can have at ot ttaosa— again, to be clear, you can have all of those views.— again, to be clear, you can have all of those views. you can have all of those views. you can have all-sentiments- all of those views. you can have all-sentiments and- all of those views. you can have all sentiments and you all of those sentiments and you aam-to— all of those sentiments and you aam-to 9°— all of those sentiments and you aam-to to-ttaa- all of those sentiments and you can -to go-live in- can want to go and live in tamam— can want to go and live in oaamamy. wo— can want to go and live in germany. no problem. free ooamtay— germany. no problem. free ooamtay. way— germany. no problem. free country. why then does whoever it country. why then does whoever tt—tma — country. why then does whoever it _the eurovision . it is that picks the eurovision oomtastamts— it is that picks the eurovision contestants sit— it is that picks the eurovision contestants sit there and go, you— contestants sit there and go, you yoa— contestants sit there and go, you you aa— contestants sit there and go, you you tma— contestants sit there and go, you you are the right contestant to aapaasamt— you you are the right contestant to represent country to represent this country taaasa— to represent this country because capable of because we are capable of sapaaattmt— because we are capable of separating the— because we are capable of separating the artists from the at.— separating the artists from the at. att— separating the artists from the at. mt yoa— separating the artists from the art. did you think that was an attst— art. did you think that was an aattst a— art. did you think that was an aattst a tts— art. did you think that was an artist ? it's quite— art. did you think that was an artist ? it's quite a good song. artist? it's quite a good song. tat— artist? it's quite a good song. at to— artist? it's quite a good song. at to yoa— artist? it's quite a good song. and do you-the- artist? it's quite a good song. and do you _the funny. artist? it's quite a good song. and do you the funny thing and do you know the funny thing is think people looking is i think people just looking at blankly might have at this this blankly might have our positions the other way

round. think eurovision round. i think eurovision is great. you're missing great. i think you're missing out. i think you're out. i do. i think you're missing by watching it. missing out by not watching it. i listened to the 2023 entries last night. thought were last night. i thought there were some think our some bangers. i think our i think entry is pretty good think our entry is pretty good and really care what and i don't really care what this girl said on her social media. i'm not going to follow her. i hope does well her. i hope she does well tonight, hope we win. so tonight, and i hope we win. so you are going to spend tit“ ti i “ so you are going to spend your waatamt— you are going to spend your weekend watching eurovision? i spatt— weekend watching eurovision? i spent—matt- weekend watching eurovision? i spent—mam ot- weekend watching eurovision? i spend _night of the| spend much of one night of the weekend watching eurovision. spend much of one night of the weekeare natching eurovision. spend much of one night of the weekeare you hing eurovision. spend much of one night of the weekeare you really?rovision. spend much of one night of the weekeare you really? i'm;ion. spend much of one night of the weekeare you really? i'm going yeah. are you really? i'm going to not have you to enjoy it. i did not have you down as tell you, this show down as a i tell you, this show goesin down as a i tell you, this show goes in strange directions. i did not think that alex- did not think that alex dean was going— did not think that alex dean was ootmt to— did not think that alex dean was going to ta— did not think that alex dean was going to be spending this. be otata— going to be spending this. be oaata. t— going to be spending this. be oaata. t ton-t— going to be spending this. be clear, i don't do— going to be spending this. be clear, i don't do it— going to be spending this. be clear, i don't do it sober.- clear, i don't do it sober. well, well, yeah. okay. that makes a lot more— that makes a lot more sense. a lot more sense. are— makes a lot more sense. a lot more sense. are you going to be waatamt— more sense. are you going to be watching eurovision? \tit watching eurovision? no, i'm not.— watching eurovision? no, i'm not. a— watching eurovision? no, i'm not. a attaa— watching eurovision? no, i'm not. i often think that sometimes the songs are great, but i think most of them are pretty awful. i just i don't like that whole spectacle thing. it's rather watch something it's i'd rather watch something else, actually, mean, else, but actually, i mean, about her, you just think, yeah, you know, so i mean , you know, so what i mean,

clearly somebody didn't read her tweets. they just. they just thought she was great. i mean, we're able to separate- thought she was great. i mean, we're able to separate out- d d i mean, we're able to separate out the attsts— we're able to separate out the aattsts taom — we're able to separate out the artists from the _ we're able to separate out the artists from the art. i elton aoam— artists from the art. i elton john, whenever— artists from the art. i elton john, whenever he has an oppoatamtty— john, whenever he has ani opportunity,-off opportunity, we'll slag off paopta— opportunity, we'll slag off paopta-tma— opportunity, we'll slag off people the political opportunity, we'll slag off people .the political to people on the political right to watch— people on the political right to wmota t— people on the political right to which i belong.— people on the political right to which i belong. i— people on the political right to which i belong. i love his music. should— which i belong. i love his music. should i like his music tass— music. should i like his music tass-ot— music. should i like his music tass-ot ms— music. should i like his music less of his political less because of his political ataws— less because of his political a — less because of his political a mo.— less because of his political views ? \ttiit i i . ti. views? no, actually, like eric clapton , who has the weirdest clapton, who has the weirdest views? layla is one of my favourite songs . and. and. and favourite songs. and. and. and it is a problem. well, i've got to say, i do look at some of these entrants and i sit there and i go, really? is that momastty— and i go, really? is that honestly the _ and i go, really? is that honestly the best- i git 3“ is that honestly the best that you think aapaasamts— honestly the best that you think aapaasamts yoaa— honestly the best that you think represents your country? i omasst— represents your country? i aomasts t— represents your country? i confess i can't— represents your country? i confess i can't really sing. it toasm-t— confess i can't really sing. it toasm-t-taytmt- confess i can't really sing. it doesn't-trying on. confess i can't really sing. it doesn't trying on a bit doesn't stop me trying on a bit of doesn't stop me trying on a bit ot-ott— doesn't stop me trying on a bit of-old karaoke,— doesn't stop me trying on a bit of-old karaoke,-i- doesn't stop me trying on a bit of old karaoke, i do. of the old karaoke, but i do. i toot— of the old karaoke, but i do. i toot at— of the old karaoke, but i do. i toot at tt— of the old karaoke, but i do. i look at it and— of the old karaoke, but i do. i look at it and i— of the old karaoke, but i do. i look at it and i go, really? is that— look at it and i go, really? is ta ta— look at it and i go, really? is that the best— look at it and i go, really? is that the best the _ look at it and i go, really? is that the best the countries have got that the best the countries have tot-tam— that the best the countries have tot-tam ma-s- that the best the countries have got-rich he's not- got anyway? rich he's not masstmt— got anyway? rich he's not messing-he's- got anyway? rich he's not messing he's giving got anyway? rich he's not- messing-he's giving me messing around. he's giving me his messing around. he's giving me tats—swatam- messing around. he's giving me his—sweden is- messing around. he's giving me his—sweden is the. his predictions. sweden is the taaoaatta— his predictions. sweden is the favourite. finland to favourite. finland is going to mm— favourite. finland is going to atm—tast- favourite. finland is going to win. _best song. win. italy is the best song. stoaamta— win. italy is the best song. slovenia are— win. italy is the best song. slovenia are you going to bore me slovenia are you going to bore ma to— slovenia are you going to bore ma to staapa— slovenia are you going to bore me to sleep? so— slovenia are you going to bore me to sleep? so you are. gareth says— me to sleep? so you are. gareth says mtataatta— me to sleep? so you are. gareth says michelle should we even be in says michelle should we even be taaa—a— in eurovision if we are no tomtaa— in eurovision if we are no tomtaa tm— in eurovision if we are no longer in europe? we're in taaopa. — longer in europe? we're in taaopa. -a- longer in europe? we're in. europe.-a continent. europe. gareth is a continent. wa-aa— europe. gareth is a continent. wa-aa-mot— europe. gareth is a continent. wa-aa-mot tm— europe. gareth is a continent. we're not in european we're just not in the european amtom—

we're just not in the european amtom .— we're just not in the european amtom . taaopa— we're just not in the european union . europe is— we're just not in the european union . europe is all i've got union. europe is all i've got ttma— union. europe is all i've got ttma toa— union. europe is all i've got time for. thank— union. europe is all i've got time for. thank you. have a aaat— time for. thank you. have a great weekend. - time for. thank you. have a great weekend. enjoy your eurovision . great weekend. enjoy your eurovision. hello great weekend. itit hello again. eurovision. hello again. tottowtmt— eurovision. hello again. tottowtmt a— itit hello again. following a turbulent week of waatmaa— following a turbulent week of weather with _ following a turbulent week of weather with some heavy showers and thunderstorms— weather with some heavy showers and thunderstorms out there. tts— and thunderstorms out there. tt-s a— and thunderstorms out there. tt-s a ttma— and thunderstorms out there. it's a fine start— and thunderstorms out there. it's a fine start to the weekend attaa— it's a fine start to the weekend attaa amy— it's a fine start to the weekend attaa amy aaay— it's a fine start to the weekend after any early cloud clears, taaaaa-tt— after any early cloud clears, tmaaa-tt ta— after any early cloud clears, there'll be warm _ after any early cloud clears, there'll be warm spells of samsmtma— there'll be warm spells of sunshine for— there'll be warm spells of sunshine for many of us, high paassaa ts— sunshine for many of us, high pressure is moving in. that's moatmt— pressure is moving in. that's moatmt atom— pressure is moving in. that's moving from the— pressure is moving in. that's moving from the north—west to the south—east— moving from the north—west to the south—east this weekend. tmtttat— the south—east this weekend. initial we've— the south—east this weekend. initial we've seen— the south—east this weekend. initial we've seen an area of pataaay— initial we've seen an area of patamy aam— initial we've seen an area of patamy amt— initial we've seen an area of patchy rain and drizzle affects soatm— patchy rain and drizzle affects south eastern— patchy rain and drizzle affects south eastern parts . that tends south eastern parts. that tends to aasa— south eastern parts. that tends to away— south eastern parts. that tends to ease away overnight, but we taap— to ease away overnight, but we taap a— to ease away overnight, but we taap a tagaay— to ease away overnight, but we taap a tagaay ot— to ease away overnight, but we keep a legacy of low cloud across central— keep a legacy of low cloud across central ,_ keep a legacy of low cloud across central , southern and across central, southern and aasamta— across central, southern and eastern-. some- across central, southern and- eastern-. some patches eastern england. some patches aomt— eastern england. some patches aoamt-aoast— eastern england. some patches around-coast of— eastern england. some patches around coast of scotland and around the coast of scotland and woatmaam— around the coast of scotland and womam-as— around the coast of scotland and northern-as well. - around the coast of scotland and northern as well. but northern ireland as well. but for scotland— northern ireland as well. but for scotland northern for scotland and northern tatamt— for scotland and northern ireland-as- for scotland and northern ireland as western ireland as well as western tmatamt— ireland as well as western england-wales,- ireland as well as western england wales, we've got england and wales, we've got ataaa— england and wales, we've got clear-overnight- england and wales, we've got clear overnight inland clear skies overnight inland and tampaaataaas— clear skies overnight inland and temperatures falling away as a aasatt— temperatures falling away as a aasatt mtt— temperatures falling away as a aasatt mtt to— temperatures falling away as a result mid to even low single atoaas— result mid to even low single ttaaaas tm— result mid to even low single figures in some— result mid to even low single figures in some sheltered spots, 910 figures in some sheltered spots, ata aatstas— figures in some sheltered spots, 910 celsius where— figures in some sheltered spots, 910 celsius where we've got the grey— 910 celsius where we've got the gay taatam — 910 celsius where we've got the grey leaden skies— 910 celsius where we've got the grey leaden skies to start off tma— grey leaden skies to start off the weekend— grey leaden skies to start off the weekend and it will be a stow— the weekend and it will be a stow stat— the weekend and it will be a slow start for— the weekend and it will be a slow start for east wales, south wast— slow start for east wales, south wast tmatamt— slow start for east wales, south wast tmotamt .— slow start for east wales, south west england , the— slow start for east wales, south west england , the midlands as

west england, the midlands as watt— west england, the midlands as watt as— west england, the midlands as well as northern— west england, the midlands as well as northern england. in taasa— well as northern england. in tmasa ptaaas— well as northern england. in these places, the cloud will stowty— these places, the cloud will stowty tat— these places, the cloud will slowly but surely lift , break up slowly but surely lift, break up amt— slowly but surely lift, break up amt ta— slowly but surely lift, break up and be replaced— slowly but surely lift, break up and be replaced by sunny spells tmo— and be replaced by sunny spells tmto tma— and be replaced by sunny spells into the afternoon.— and be replaced by sunny spells into the afternoon. but we keep the into the afternoon. but we keep taaa aay— into the afternoon. but we keep taaa oaay sttas— into the afternoon. but we keep the grey skies around the coast amt— the grey skies around the coast amt tt— the grey skies around the coast amt tt wttt— the grey skies around the coast and it will affect— the grey skies around the coast and it will affect temperatures 11 and it will affect temperatures at to — and it will affect temperatures at to 12— and it will affect temperatures 11 to 12 celsius— and it will affect temperatures 11 to 12 celsius on— and it will affect temperatures 11 to 12 celsius on the north saa— 11 to 12 celsius on the north saa aoast— 11 to 12 celsius on the north sea coast and— 11 to 12 celsius on the north sea coast and high teens. low aas— sea coast and high teens. low 20s elsewhere— sea coast and high teens. low 20s elsewhere across scotland, wasta— 20s elsewhere across scotland, wasta amt — 20s elsewhere across scotland, western and southern england, watas— western and southern england, watas as— western and southern england, wales as well— western and southern england, wales as well as— western and southern england, wales as well as northern taatamt. — wales as well as northern ireland. now— wales as well as northern ireland. now towards the end of sataatay— ireland. now towards the end of sataatay tma— ireland. now towards the end of saturday the cloud will thicken across northwest— saturday the cloud will thicken across northwest scotland with -ot— across northwest scotland with soa-ot aam- across northwest scotland with some of rain beginning some outbreaks of rain beginning to oa— some outbreaks of rain beginning to tm— some outbreaks of rain beginning to tm amt— some outbreaks of rain beginning to move in and that will move tmto— to move in and that will move tmto pats— to move in and that will move tmto paats ot— to move in and that will move into parts of northern ireland as watt— into parts of northern ireland as watt as— into parts of northern ireland as well as central scotland by tma— as well as central scotland by ttma-ttma — as well as central scotland by ttma-ttma mam.- as well as central scotland by the the night. england the end of the night. england amt—saasl and wales, meanwhile, sees the tatamt— and wales, meanwhile, sees the aatam-tow— and wales, meanwhile, sees the return-low cloud- and wales, meanwhile, sees the return low cloud across return of the low cloud across aamtaat— return of the low cloud across aamtaat amt— return of the low cloud across central and eastern areas. but a sttaa— central and eastern areas. but a sttaalataa— central and eastern areas. but a slice-clear skies— central and eastern areas. but a slice-clear skies for- slice of clear skies for moatmaam— slice of clear skies for moatmaam-l slice of clear skies for northern -, for slice of clear skies for- northern -, for parts of northern england, for parts of watas— northern england, for parts of wales south—west will wales in the south—west will taat—omaa- wales in the south—west willi lead _once again lead to chilly start once again on lead to chilly start once again om satay.— lead to chilly start once again on sunday. but— lead to chilly start once again on sunday. but plenty of bright waatmaa— on sunday. but plenty of bright waatmaa-om— on sunday. but plenty of bright weather on sunday morning . weather here on sunday morning. the weather here on sunday morning. tma tow— weather here on sunday morning. tma tow atoat— weather here on sunday morning. the low cloud across central and aasamta— the low cloud across central and aasamta pats— the low cloud across central and aasamta pats-ap- the low cloud across central and eastern parts up and eastern parts will break up and am— eastern parts will break up and tamtlaataaat— eastern parts will break up and tend-retreat back— eastern parts will break up and tend retreat back to the tend to retreat back to the aoast— tend to retreat back to the coast once again. and it's towats— coast once again. and it's towards the— coast once again. and it's towards the south—east where we taap — towards the south—east where we taap—om- towards the south—east where we taap—om samtayi keep the sunny skies on sunday. amt— keep the sunny skies on sunday. amt-a— keep the sunny skies on sunday. amt-a ttt— keep the sunny skies on sunday. and-a bit warmer- keep the sunny skies on sunday. and a bit warmer on and it will be a bit warmer on that— and it will be a bit warmer on that woma— and it will be a bit warmer on that north-coast- and it will be a bit warmer on that north-coast .- and it will be a bit warmer on that north coast . but and it will be a bit warmer on that north coast. but rain that north sea coast. but rain moatmt—

that north sea coast. but rain moving through— that north sea coast. but rain moving through scotland and woatmaam— moving through scotland and northern ireland by monday will pasm— northern ireland by monday will pasta tmto— northern ireland by monday will push into england and wales and taam— push into england and wales and turn more showery_ push into england and wales and turn more showery with cooler waatmaa— turn more showery with cooler weather following .

good evening, good evening , team. i "00 good evening, team. it is 7:00. tat— good evening, team. it is 7:00. at tma— good evening, team. it is 7:00. and i'm lawrence fox. coming up on the show net migration could be toppling an eye—watering 1 million this year. well done for taking back control of our borders. you brexit chaps then is racialism the new communism? i think it is. i've invited bushra sheikh and narinder kaur your favourite on to the panel to discuss identity politics without fear or favour . we've without fear or favour. we've got to have these conversations we can't shy away from the discussion. it needs to be