hello. l: hello. good afternoon and welcome to gb news saturday. i'm martin daubney and for the next three hours, i'll be keeping you company on tv, online, and of course, on your digital radio. we've got a tonne of stuff coming up on today's show , coming up on today's show, including net migration to the uk could hit 1 including net migration to the uk could hit1 million including net migration to the uk could hit 1 million this yeah uk could hit 1 million this year. i want to know , have we year. i want to know, have we completely lost control of our borders? next, the government has scrapped its plans to ditch all eu laws, blaming the whitehall blob so has the bonfire of eu laws been

extinguished and after all the controversy, he still staying sky high in the polls. so i'll be asking , can anybody stop be asking, can anybody stop donald trump ? but first, it's donald trump? but first, it's your news headlines and here's rory . thank your news headlines and here's rory. thank you very much. martin the latest from the gb newsroom erm _ martin the latest from the gb newsroom erm a— martin the latest from the gb newsroom erm a call has been made— newsroom erm a call has been made for— newsroom erm a call has been made for a— newsroom erm a call has been made for a special— newsroom erm a call has been made for a special summit to bring— made for a special summit to bring an— made for a special summit to bring an end— made for a special summit to bring an end to— made for a special summit to bring an end to the toxic rail dispute— bring an end to the toxic rail iispuie ai— bring an end to the toxic rail dispute at rmt._ bring an end to the toxic rail dispute at rmt. union boss mick iyncii— dispute at rmt. union boss mick iyncii has— dispute at rmt. union boss mick lynch has written— dispute at rmt. union boss mick lynch has written to the government _ lynch has written to the government calling for a meeting wiii— government calling for a meeting wiiii an— government calling for a meeting with an independent chair, if necessary is — with an independent chair, if necessary, to end what he's ieseriiei— necessary, to end what he's described as— necessary, to end what he's described as chaos on the reiineys. — described as chaos on the railways. well— described as chaos on the railways. well it comes as passengers— railways. well it comes as passengers face yet another day of passengers face yet another day or iisrnniien— passengers face yet another day of disruption with— passengers face yet another day of disruption with workers again reining— of disruption with workers again joining picker— of disruption with workers again joining picket lines. of disruption with workers again joining picket lines . more joining picket lines. more sirines— joining picket lines. more strikes are— joining picket lines. more strikes are set— joining picket lines. more strikes are set to be held on ine— strikes are set to be held on ine eisi— strikes are set to be held on ine sisi er— strikes are set to be held on the 31st of may— strikes are set to be held on the 31st of may and the 3rd of june- — the 31st of may and the 3rd of june- inn-s— the 31st of may and the 3rd of june. that's the— the 31st of may and the 3rd of june. that's the day of the fa cup— june. that's the day of the fa cup rinsi— june. that's the day of the fa cup rinei ei— june. that's the day of the fa cup final at wembley. the union's general— cup final at wembley. the union's general secretary is binning— union's general secretary is binning ine— union's general secretary is blaming the government for bribing— blaming the government for ieiiing re— blaming the government for failing to negotiate . " failing to negotiate. this gerernnneni— failing to negotiate. this government is-

failing to negotiate. this government is determined to keep this dispute going because they've got issues in in health care and with the nurses and the doctors, with the teachers and they're trying to clamp down on working people's pay. so that they can transfer that wealth to they can transfer that wealth to the rich people of this society, where dividends and profits are up.the where dividends and profits are up. the stock exchange is up. the economy is growing. but they want to do that on the basis of low pay. and not prepared low pay. and we're not prepared to that . sir keir starmer to accept that. sir keir starmer says labour is on track ahead of the next general election, but admitted that more work needs to be done during a speech in london, the leader set out his hope to change the entire culture of his party. he also said he expects— culture of his party. he also said he expects next- {m ”it; " he also said he expects next year's campaign— said he expects next year's campaign re— said he expects next year's campaign to get dirty and nasty ener— campaign to get dirty and nasty after labour's— campaign to get dirty and nasty after labour's local election success. the— after labour's local election success. ” after labour's local election success. rice success. the labour party will only restore hope in the country if we once again become the natural vehicle for working people. an agent for their hopes and aspirations , a party of the

and aspirations, a party of the common good . now some people common good. now some people think that all we're doing is distancing ourselves from the previous regime . well, we are, previous regime. well, we are, but that misses the point . this but that misses the point. this is about taking our party back to where we belong . homeowners to where we belong. homeowners are being warned. there's more nengege— are being warned. there's more nengege bein— are being warned. there's more nengege bein re— are being warned. there's more mortgage pain to come- are being warned. there's more mortgage pain to come .- mt; g : there's more mortgage pain to come . the mortgage pain to come. the ieeseiniien— mortgage pain to come. the resolution foundation found that the resolution foundation found that rne growing— resolution foundation found that the growing popularity of fixed rares— the growing popularity of fixed reies eni— the growing popularity of fixed rates and longer— the growing popularity of fixed rates and longer term deals iner— rates and longer term deals means that many borrowers are yet means that many borrowers are yer re— means that many borrowers are yer be see— means that many borrowers are yer re ine— means that many borrowers are yet to see the impact of rising inieresi— yet to see the impact of rising interest rates.— yet to see the impact of rising interest rates. well, this week, the interest rates. well, this week, ine beni— interest rates. well, this week, ine benb ei— interest rates. well, this week, the bank of england increased the bank of england increased ine bese— the bank of england increased the base rate— the bank of england increased the base rate from 4.25% to 4.5. irebenr— the base rate from 4.25% to 4.5. irebeng expen— the base rate from 4.25% to 4.5. property expert richard blanco rein— property expert richard blanco big is— property expert richard blanco rein ns ine— property expert richard blanco told us the market is slowing newn— told us the market is slowing sienn- ire— told us the market is slowing down. we have— told us the market is slowing down. we have seen the market get down. we have seen the market gei e— down. we have seen the market gei a bribe— down. we have seen the market gei e iiiiie bir— down. we have seen the market get a little bit more buoyant eni— get a little bit more buoyant and again— get a little bit more buoyant and again, it's— get a little bit more buoyant and again, it's you know, it's defying— and again, it's you know, it's defying expectations because we did defying expectations because we iii especi— defying expectations because we did expect prices— defying expectations because we did expect prices to fall. anyibing— did expect prices to fall. anything between - did expect prices to fall. anything between five and 12% this year. and the market doesn't seem to be suffering quite as badly as we'd expected.

so again, some surprises there. of course , we know from the bank of course, we know from the bank of england that we're not expecting to go into recession this year after all, and that's one of the reasons why the bank of england is still putting rates up . the government has rates up. the government has defended artists saying they're supposed to be challenging for year six students as well. it comes after hundreds- : it comes after hundreds of parents eenbieinei— comes after hundreds of parents complained that— comes after hundreds of parents complained that the exam was too iinienii— complained that the exam was too iiriienb eni— complained that the exam was too difficult and left— complained that the exam was too difficult and left some pupils in beers— difficult and left some pupils in beers .— difficult and left some pupils in tears . the— difficult and left some pupils in tears . the national in tears. the national association- in tears. the national association of head teachers has rise— association of head teachers has rise reisei— association of head teachers has also raised concern— association of head teachers has also raised concern and plans to rake— also raised concern and plans to bake ine— also raised concern and plans to take the issue— also raised concern and plans to take the issue up— also raised concern and plans to take the issue up with the sensors— take the issue up with the schools regulator. quual now briiein-s— schools regulator. quual now britain's defence _ schools regulator. quual now britain's defence ministry says ienssien— britain's defence ministry says russian forces— britain's defence ministry says russian forces have withdrawn bein— russian forces have withdrawn born from — russian forces have withdrawn born from their— russian forces have withdrawn born from their positions in seninern— born from their positions in southern bakhmut in bad order. ine— southern bakhmut in bad order. the withdrawal— southern bakhmut in bad order. the withdrawal over the last rebr— the withdrawal over the last bur days— the withdrawal over the last four days has— the withdrawal over the last four days has seen ukraine regain— four days has seen ukraine regein ei— four days has seen ukraine regain at least— four days has seen ukraine regain at least a kilometre of benign— regain at least a kilometre of benign .— regain at least a kilometre of territory . moscow has territory. moscow has acknowledged that its forces neve — acknowledged that its forces neve reiien — acknowledged that its forces have fallen back after a new ukrainian— have fallen back after a new ukrainian offensive . president ukrainian offensive. president virgini— ukrainian offensive. president vladimir zelenskyy has promised

more weapons to _ vladimir zelenskyy has promised more weapons to his soldiers. wen,— more weapons to his soldiers. mg, i— more weapons to his soldiers. well, it comes— more weapons to his soldiers. well, it comes as— more weapons to his soldiers. well, it comes as president zeiensngy— well, it comes as president zeiensbgg is— well, it comes as president zelenskyy is in— well, it comes as president zelenskyy is in italy for talks nibb— zelenskyy is in italy for talks with government officials , with government officials, ineiniing— with government officials, including the _ with government officials, including the country's bresiieni— including the country's president and prime minister. he will president and prime minister. he niii rise— president and prime minister. he will also later— president and prime minister. he will also later meet with the pope _ will also later meet with the pope is — will also later meet with the pope to discuss— will also later meet with the pope to discuss a peace mission to pope to discuss a peace mission is eni— pope to discuss a peace mission is end ine— pope to discuss a peace mission is end ine wer— pope to discuss a peace mission to end the war with— pope to discuss a peace mission to end the war with russia . to end the war with russia. neiei— to end the war with russia. neiei prises— to end the war with russia. hotel prices in— to end the war with russia. hotel prices in most european eiiies— hotel prices in most european eiiies neve— hotel prices in most european cities have risen— hotel prices in most european cities have risen by more than bon— cities have risen by more than son sine— cities have risen by more than 50% since last— cities have risen by more than 50% since last summer. research fren— 50% since last summer. research from besi— 50% since last summer. research from post office— 50% since last summer. research from post office travel money renni— from post office travel money found madrid— from post office travel money found madrid is— from post office travel money found madrid is the most exnbes-ve— found madrid is the most expensive out— found madrid is the most expensive out of 35 holiday iesiinei— expensive out of 35 holiday destined nations . it will now destined nations. it will now cesi— destined nations. it will now eesi nearby— destined nations. it will now cost nearly £400— destined nations. it will now cost nearly £400 to stay in the sbenisn— cost nearly £400 to stay in the spanish capital— cost nearly £400 to stay in the spanish capital for— cost nearly £400 to stay in the spanish capital for two nights. inn-s— spanish capital for two nights. inei-s ub— spanish capital for two nights. iner-s upfron— spanish capital for two nights. that's up from £161 last year. one— that's up from £161 last year. other expensive _ that's up from £161 last year. other expensive destinations ineinie— other expensive destinations include berlin,— other expensive destinations include berlin, amstel dam and veniee— include berlin, amstel dam and veniee .— include berlin, amstel dam and veniee . wen,— include berlin, amstel dam and venice . well, momentum is venice. well, momentum is bribing— venice. well, momentum is building ahead— venice. well, momentum is building ahead of tonight's binni— building ahead of tonight's rinei er— building ahead of tonight's final of the— building ahead of tonight's final of the eurovision song ceniesi— final of the eurovision song ceniesi in— final of the eurovision song contest in liverpool . the uk's contest in liverpool. the uk's enin— contest in liverpool. the uk's entry mav— contest in liverpool. the uk's entry may mueller , who will entry may mueller, who will perform.— entry may mueller, who will perform. i— entry may mueller, who will perform. i wrote— entry may mueller, who will perform. i wrote a song , says perform. i wrote a song, says sne-s— perform. i wrote a song, says sne-s ready— perform. i wrote a song, says sne-s ready re—

perform. i wrote a song, says she's ready to get- perform. i wrote a song, says she's ready to get the show on ine— she's ready to get the show on be reari— she's ready to get the show on be mad, bui— she's ready to get the show on the road, but she's— she's ready to get the show on the road, but she's one of 26 reis— the road, but she's one of 26 eeis re— the road, but she's one of 26 eens re ebbeer— the road, but she's one of 26 acts to appear before an esiineiei— acts to appear before an estimated global audience of 160 niiiien— estimated global audience of 160 million viewers. _ estimated global audience of 160 million viewers. the uk agreed to million viewers. the uk agreed ie besi— million viewers. the uk agreed re nesi ine— million viewers. the uk agreed to host the contest on behalf of insi— to host the contest on behalf of iesi year's— to host the contest on behalf of last year's winners— to host the contest on behalf of last year's winners , ukraine. last year's winners, ukraine. inese— last year's winners, ukraine. inese rans— last year's winners, ukraine. these fans are— last year's winners, ukraine. these fans are very excited for benign— these fans are very excited for benign .— these fans are very excited for tonight. honestly— these fans are very excited for tonight. honestly i'm married. in— tonight. honestly i'm married. in nappy.— tonight. honestly i'm married. in nappy. ani— tonight. honestly i'm married. i'm happy. and this— tonight. honestly i'm married. i'm happy. and this is- tonight. honestly i'm married. i'm happy. and this is the- tonight. honestly i'm married. i'm happy. and this is the best day of my life . it's fantastic. day of my life. it's fantastic. i day of my life. it's fantastic. r en— day of my life. it's fantastic. i mean, we've been- an? c ”it; it's fantastic. i mean, we've been following for years— i mean, we've been following for years eni— i mean, we've been following for gears and gears— i mean, we've been following for years and years and years, so to bare— years and years and years, so to have somewhere— years and years and years, so to have somewhere that you can just jump— have somewhere that you can just innb en— have somewhere that you can just bump on e— have somewhere that you can just bump on a brain— have somewhere that you can just bump on a brain er— have somewhere that you can just jump on a train or not a train jumpi— jump on a train or not a train jump, jump— jump on a train or not a train jumpr bump in— jump on a train or not a train jumpr bump in e— jump on a train or not a train jump, jump in a car and get to it, jump, jump in a car and get to g, is— jump, jump in a car and get to g, is insi— jump, jump in a car and get to it, it's just been— jump, jump in a car and get to it, it's just been ,_ jump, jump in a car and get to it, it's just been , oh, it's it, it's just been, oh, it's green— it, it's just been, oh, it's green. ani— it, it's just been, oh, it's great. and liverpool has exeeiiei— great. and liverpool has excelled itself- great. and liverpool has excelled itself . they're having excelled itself. they're having a gear— excelled itself. they're having a greei rime— excelled itself. they're having egreer rine. — excelled itself. they're having a great time . " excelled itself. they're having a great time. " c15 excelled itself. they're having a great time . " c15 \ a great time. this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now, though, back to . martin and thanks for the update there , rory. okay, let's kick off

ibis— , rory. okay, let's kick off inis neur— , rory. okay, let's kick off this hour with— 3:33 okay, let's kick off this hour with this story. 3:er okay, let's kick off this hour with this story. keir sinner— this hour with this story. keir sinner seis— this hour with this story. keir starmer says he— this hour with this story. keir starmer says he has a bigger resi— starmer says he has a bigger resb inan— starmer says he has a bigger task than tony— starmer says he has a bigger task than tony blair ever faced eni— task than tony blair ever faced and bis— task than tony blair ever faced and nis biens— task than tony blair ever faced and his plans for— task than tony blair ever faced and his plans for the country nibb— and his plans for the country niii be— and his plans for the country niii be ben— and his plans for the country will be new labour on steroids. webb— will be new labour on steroids. weir, ine— will be new labour on steroids. well, the labour— will be new labour on steroids. well, the labour leader used the sbeeen — well, the labour leader used the sbeeen reneg— well, the labour leader used the sbeeen being re— well, the labour leader used the speech today to present his vision— speech today to present his vision rer— speech today to present his vision for the— speech today to present his vision for the party, telling ine— vision for the party, telling the audience— vision for the party, telling the audience he doesn't care if his the audience he doesn't care if nis brieriiies— the audience he doesn't care if his priorities sound conservative. fibrin his priorities sound— conservative. well, let's let's take a look at what he said earlier this morning. you've been drifting away from working people for long time and people for a long time and that's unforgivable . that's why that's unforgivable. that's why i say this project— that's unforgivable. that's why i say this project goes- l. “713g that's why i say this project goes further eni— i say this project goes further and deeper— i say this project goes further and deeper than— i say this project goes further and deeper than new labour's rewiring— and deeper than new labour's renriiing ei— and deeper than new labour's rewriting of clause four. " rewriting of clause four. this ibis— rewriting of clause four. this ibis is— rewriting of clause four. this this is about— rewriting of clause four. this this is about rolling up our sleeves , changing our entire sleeves, changing our entire culture , our it's our dna . who culture, our it's our dna. who are we in it for ? who do we are we in it for? who do we serve— are we in it for? who do we serve e — are we in it for? who do we serve ? who do we wake up in the serve? who do we wake up in the morning and fight for? who do we have in our mind's— morning and fight for? who do we have in our mind's eye— g e�*i: �*" g 7:37 who do we have in our mind's eye when we make— have in our mind's eye when we make decisions?— have in our mind's eye when we make decisions? and with the beers— make decisions? and with the ieveis er— make decisions? and with the levels of cynicism in our beiiiies— levels of cynicism in our politics, the _ levels of cynicism in our politics, the let down, the inning— politics, the let down, the drifting away— politics, the let down, the drifting away ,_ politics, the let down, the drifting away , the disconnect, drifting away, the disconnect, our drifting away, the disconnect, eeiiebse— drifting away, the disconnect, our collapse in— drifting away, the disconnect, our collapse in scotland, the boss—

our collapse in scotland, the boss er— our collapse in scotland, the boss of ine— our collapse in scotland, the loss of the red— our collapse in scotland, the loss of the red wall. this task is going— loss of the red wall. this task is going be— loss of the red wall. this task is going be be— loss of the red wall. this task is going to be ongoing. depher resub— is going to be ongoing. depher resnii eni— is going to be ongoing. depher result and enormous as it is . result and enormous as it is. weir.— result and enormous as it is. weir. be— result and enormous as it is. well, he sounds— result and enormous as it is. well, he sounds like- result and enormous as it is. well, he sounds like tony- result and enormous as it is. well, he sounds like tony blair in disguise. well, joining me now is gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson. hello to you, nigel. so yeah, clause four on steroids . basically, four on steroids. basically, he's wrapping himself short of being in a union. jack, this is blairism all over again, isn't it? well it's certainly out of the tony blair playbook . i mean, the tony blair playbook. i mean, what keir starmer— the tony blair playbook. i mean, what keir starmer is— ” i mean, what keir starmer is talking aberr— what keir starmer is talking ebeni is— what keir starmer is talking ebeni is re— what keir starmer is talking about is to go— what keir starmer is talking about is to go even further than tony— about is to go even further than ieny bieir— about is to go even further than tony blair went— about is to go even further than tony blair went with clause four eni— tony blair went with clause four and iergeiy— tony blair went with clause four and iergeig be— tony blair went with clause four and largely be that abolition of it and largely be that abolition of i been— and largely be that abolition of i been in— and largely be that abolition of it back in 1995— and largely be that abolition of it back in 1995 was a sort of synbeiie— it back in 1995 was a sort of symbolic gesture— it back in 1995 was a sort of symbolic gesture to show that iebenr— symbolic gesture to show that iebenr nei— symbolic gesture to show that labour had changed it effectively _ labour had changed it effectively .- labour had changed it effectively . he took labour away effectively. he took labour away fren— effectively. he took labour away from ine— effectively. he took labour away from be geni— effectively. he took labour away from the goal of— effectively. he took labour away from the goal of mass nationalisation and the idea was to nationalisation and the idea was re ebbeei— nationalisation and the idea was re ebbeei re— nationalisation and the idea was re appear is e— nationalisation and the idea was to appeal to a much broader cross—section— to appeal to a much broader cross—section of— to appeal to a much broader cross—section of voters, which of cross—section of voters, which

or ioni— cross—section of voters, which of course tony blair achieved eni— of course tony blair achieved and wen— of course tony blair achieved and won three— of course tony blair achieved and won three elections on the beer— and won three elections on the beer er— and won three elections on the beer er ii— and won three elections on the beer er ii . — and won three elections on the back of it. now— and won three elections on the back of it . \rr:::rri back of it. now how is this going down with the party is left because of course nationalised is one of their great pet projects. the tuition fees being dropped and this won't go down very well with them. but is that canny politics? i mean, i know having stood in the 2019 election, that jeremy corbyn was the tories best asset . yeah. and what keir best asset. yeah. and what keir sinner— best asset. yeah. and what keir sinner sews— best asset. yeah. and what keir starmer says is— best asset. yeah. and what keir starmer says is that— yeah. and what keir starmer says is that this is not insi— starmer says is that this is not iwsi ebewi— starmer says is that this is not just about rejecting the corbyn ibis— just about rejecting the corbyn we is— just about rejecting the corbyn era. this is actually reforming eni— era. this is actually reforming eni renewing— era. this is actually reforming and renewing the— era. this is actually reforming and renewing the labour party eenbiereiw— and renewing the labour party eenbiereiw rne — and renewing the labour party completely the same way that tony— completely the same way that ienw bieir— completely the same way that tony blair did— completely the same way that tony blair did back in the ibbbs. — tony blair did back in the ibbbs. ine— tony blair did back in the 1990s. the point i think that weir— 1990s. the point i think that keir starmer— 1990s. the point i think that keir starmer is— 1990s. the point i think that keir starmer is making is that the situation— keir starmer is making is that the situation now— keir starmer is making is that the situation now is obviously iiirereni— the situation now is obviously different and— the situation now is obviously different and so— the situation now is obviously different and so many major inings— different and so many major inings newe— different and so many major things have been happening reeeniiw— things have been happening recently that— things have been happening recently that it— things have been happening recently that it calls for a eenbieie— recently that it calls for a complete radical change and it's not complete radical change and it's nei insi— complete radical change and it's nei iwsi ine— complete radical change and it's not just the cost— complete radical change and it's not just the cost of— complete radical change and it's not just the cost of living ensis— not just the cost of living crisis. we've _ not just the cost of living crisis. we've got the war in ukraine,— crisis. we've got the war in ukraine, we've _ crisis. we've got the war in ukraine, we've just come out of the ukraine, we've just come out of we cowb— ukraine, we've just come out of the covid pandemic. so if you bike,— the covid pandemic. so if you gig, is— the covid pandemic. so if you gig, is e— the covid pandemic. so if you like, it's a kind— the covid pandemic. so if you like, it's a kind of— the covid pandemic. so if you like, it's a kind of new beiiiies— like, it's a kind of new politics for— like, it's a kind of new politics for new times . as yeah,

politics for new times. as yeah, er— politics for new times. as yeah, er ine— politics for new times. as yeah, some of the detail— politics for new times. as yeah, some of the detail that's been beekee— some of the detail that's been leaked, there's— some of the detail that's been leaked, there's an— some of the detail that's been leaked, there's an 86 page iessier— leaked, there's an 86 page dossier that— leaked, there's an 86 page dossier that went out that's been— dossier that went out that's been leaked,— dossier that went out that's been leaked, some of us raising a been leaked, some of us raising brew— been leaked, some of us raising e rew ewebrews. — been leaked, some of us raising a few eyebrows. he— been leaked, some of us raising a few eyebrows. it; a few eyebrows. he talks about a new partnership between politics and the working classes and then the next sentence he's going about making working from home a legal right. the pyjama clad proletariat taking over the country . proletariat taking over the country. well, proletariat taking over the country . well, that is one way country. well, that is one way of country. well, that is one way er bribing— country. well, that is one way er bribing n,— rigitr. well, that is one way of putting it, martin. i mean, ine— of putting it, martin. i mean, ibe point— of putting it, martin. i mean, we beini bes— of putting it, martin. i mean, the point he's trying he's trying to get out there. is that what working people should have is rights from day one of employment. and so what this sort of draft manifesto is saying is that on the basis of that, one of the rights should be flexing working where that is possible . well, obviously not possible. well, obviously not every job can actually work from home or work different hours. and they can't all be flexible. but what keir starmer is saying, where it can be flexible, it

should be, and that should become a right. do you think ibis— become a right. do you think inis is— become a right. do you think inis is e— become a right. do you think this is a cynical— become a right. do you think this is a cynical ploy- f ” q do you think this is a cynical ploy for weiese— this is a cynical ploy for weiese i— this is a cynical ploy for votes? i mean,- this is a cynical ploy for votes? i mean, that's what beiiiies— votes? i mean, that's what beiiries is— votes? i mean, that's what politics is, right? but a lot of beebie— politics is, right? but a lot of beebie newe— politics is, right? but a lot of beebie newe gei— politics is, right? but a lot of people have got quite used to being— people have got quite used to being-eesw— people have got quite used to being-eesw ei— people have got quite used to being cosy at home since being quite cosy at home since ieebiewns— being quite cosy at home since lockdowns and— being quite cosy at home since lockdowns and starmer playing a key inve— lockdowns and starmer playing a key eriwe bere— lockdowns and starmer playing a key drive here to— lockdowns and starmer playing a key drive here to pull those weies— key drive here to pull those weies .— key drive here to pull those weies. in — key drive here to pull those votes. in well,- key drive here to pull those votes. in ify�*iccc ”; key drive here to pull those votes . in ify�*iccc ”g it? votes. in well, every political leader eventually has to face the voters and so whatever they're coming up with, they have one eye or even both eyes on how many votes it will get. now, we can see from the local elections that the prediction from there is that keir starmer is looking at a hung parliament. it he doesn't want that. he doesn't want to go into coalition with the lib dems . coalition with the lib dems. what he wants is an overall majority arnie and so he's coming up with policies with the aim of actually getting that. if you look at the latest opinion poll , it you look at the latest opinion poll, it seems to be working. the one that came out yesterday is putting him 27 points ahead. okay and there's one final thing

okay and there's one filial thing he okay and there's one final thing be beeps— [in/sq and there's one final thing he keeps mentioning . he's he keeps mentioning. he's brenisei— he keeps mentioning. he's promised billions of pounds for a promised billions of pounds for e green— promised billions of pounds for a green investment, isn't that flying— a green investment, isn't that flying in— a green investment, isn't that flying in ine— a green investment, isn't that flying in the face— a green investment, isn't that flying in the face of what we snewii — flying in the face of what we snewii be — flying in the face of what we should be doing— flying in the face of what we should be doing rather than inwesiing— should be doing rather than investing billions in green, beeening— investing billions in green, becoming energy self—sufficient? beneii— becoming energy self—sufficient? beneii irwnb— becoming energy self—sufficient? donald trump said— becoming energy self—sufficient? donald trump said week, donald trump said this week, brib— donald trump said this week, gnn,_,_ donald trump said this week, gnn,_, bribi— donald trump said this week, drill, , drill. what about drill, baby, drill. what about being— drill, baby, drill. what about being ine— drill, baby, drill. what about doing the - here - drill, baby, drill. what about. doing the - here - shale drill, baby, drill. what about- doing the - here - shale ? doing the same here with shale? we doing the same here with shale? we webb— doing the same here with shale? we war, wnei— doing the same here with shale? we well, what this— doing the same here with shale? we well, what this draft manifesto— we well, what this draft manifesto says is they would eeiweiiw— manifesto says is they would eerweiiw ben— manifesto says is they would actually ban fracking so that iner— actually ban fracking so that that wouldn't— actually ban fracking so that that wouldn't go ahead. qt that wouldn't go ahead. one of the that wouldn't go ahead. one of be key— that wouldn't go ahead. one of the key beinrs— that wouldn't go ahead. one of the key points of— that wouldn't go ahead. one of the key points of his economic policy is to try and make the britain's growth the best in the in the g7 . now, to do that, he in the g7. now, to do that, he wants to he wants to invest invest £28 billion in greening the country . see the argument the country. see the argument behind that is that by doing so, by having more solar, more wind power , a target of all electric power, a target of all electric motty being cleaned by 2030, is that could create a million jobs. so he's putting his entire growth plan down on making

britain more environmentally friendly. yeah, britain more environmentally friendly . yeah, well, if we friendly. yeah, well, if we eerie— friendly. yeah, well, if we could harness— friendly. yeah, well, if we could harness all- ci: yeah, well, if we could harness all of the rzi;q yeah, well, if we could harness all of the hot air eening— could harness all of the hot air eening eni— could harness all of the hot air eening ewi er— could harness all of the hot air coming out of these speeches, we nigni— coming out of these speeches, we nigni gei— coming out of these speeches, we might get somewhere towards it. anerner— might get somewhere towards it. aneiner sbeeen— might get somewhere towards it. another speech nigel another speech today, nigel iriii — another speech today, nigel iriii -gewe— another speech today, nigel iriii -gewe e- another speech today, nigel priti gave a speech at the priti patel gave a speech at the eenseweiiwe— priti patel gave a speech at the conservative democratic organisation _ conservative democratic organisation and she's eriiieising— organisation and she's criticising rishi sunak really purring— criticising rishi sunak really putting me— criticising rishi sunak really putting the boot in, saying that he putting the boot in, saying that be is— putting the boot in, saying that be is managing— putting the boot in, saying that he is managing the decline of the he is managing the decline of we rew— he is managing the decline of be tory eenw— he is managing the decline of the tory party now is this the rennseniies— the tory party now is this the johnsonites jostling for besiriene— johnsonites jostling for position? they can sense defeat eening— position? they can sense defeat eening eni— position? they can sense defeat eening and new— position? they can sense defeat coming and they want to say beris— coming and they want to say beris is— coming and they want to say beris is geing— coming and they want to say boris is going to— coming and they want to say boris is going to make a eenebeeb— boris is going to make a comeback and- boris is going to make a comeback and here we are . " comeback and here we are. in stern— comeback and here we are. in sberi. res.— comeback and here we are. in sberr. yes. ene— comeback and here we are. in short, yes, the entire- comeback and here we are. in short, yes, the entire subtext of priti patel speech was on the lines that if boris johnson had still been prime minister the tories wouldn't have lost a thousand seats in the in the local elections. there's no way of knowing whether that's true, that certainly there's been no kind of bounce from rishi sunak new premiership . clearly the new premiership. clearly the voters are turning away from the tories . but whether or not the tories. but whether or not the answer is to refight a

yesterday's battle with boris johnson is another question. there's certainly no appetite in parliament to bring boris johnson back . well, you say johnson back. well, you say iner— johnson back. well, you say inei, bui— johnson back. well, you say that, but pretty— johnson back. well, you say that, but pretty patel- "" f well, you say that, but pretty patel is saying rner— that, but pretty patel is saying we swnebs— that, but pretty patel is saying that sunaks appointing as leader was that sunaks appointing as leader bein— that sunaks appointing as leader was both undemocratic and a cereneiien.— was both undemocratic and a coronation. i— was both undemocratic and a coronation. i thought conservatives liked a coronation an inn,— conservatives liked a coronation en war, ir— conservatives liked a coronation en war, ii ws— conservatives liked a coronation an well, it was both those inings. — an well, it was both those rnings. i— an well, it was both those things. i mean,- an well, it was both those things. " " an well, it was both those things. " r: things. i mean, bear in mind that rishi sunak, when it came down to it wasn't elected by anybody. he became prime minister by default after the complete disaster of liz truss. and yeah, there's a lot of anger within the party, within the grass roots of the party because clearly they rejected rishi sunak when he put themselves before them to become leader and chose liz truss. liz truss it was a catastrophe. rishi sunak gets in, but no tory member has had actually a vote saying that that he should be prime minister. okay nigel nelson,

thank you for your input. join us again please in an join us again please in an hour's tine.— us again please in an hour's iirne. bui— us again please in an hour's time. but the— us again please in an hour's time. but the vice president, beri— time. but the vice president, lord greenall,_ time. but the vice president, lord greenall, he's saying that the momentum _ lord greenall, he's saying that the momentum behind a boris eenebeeb— the momentum behind a boris eenebeeb is— the momentum behind a boris comeback is unstoppable. so inei-s— comeback is unstoppable. so that's definitely— comeback is unstoppable. so that's definitely one to watch. ebew— that's definitely one to watch. ebew bers— that's definitely one to watch. okay let's move— that's definitely one to watch. okay let's move on now. we brenisei— okay let's move on now. we brenisei e— okay let's move on now. we promised a bonfire of eu laws , promised a bonfire of eu laws, bui— promised a bonfire of eu laws, but iner— promised a bonfire of eu laws, but that seems— promised a bonfire of eu laws, but that seems to— promised a bonfire of eu laws, but that seems to be an extinguished— but that seems to be an extinguished business. secretary keni— extinguished business. secretary kemi badenoch_ extinguished business. secretary kemi badenoch says it's inbessibie— kemi badenoch says it's impossible for this government to impossible for this government re bwsn— impossible for this government re bwsn rnrewgn— impossible for this government to push through plans to ditch all to push through plans to ditch eii er— to push through plans to ditch eii er ine— to push through plans to ditch eii er we in— to push through plans to ditch all of the eu ulez laws because of all of the eu ulez laws because er ine— all of the eu ulez laws because of the whitehall— all of the eu ulez laws because of the whitehall blob. instead eniw— of the whitehall blob. instead eniw eee— of the whitehall blob. instead only see enr— of the whitehall blob. instead only 600 out of— of the whitehall blob. instead only 600 out of 4800 eu laws wiri— only 600 out of 4800 eu laws wiii rese— only 600 out of 4800 eu laws will face scrapping or reform. ine— will face scrapping or reform. ine brine— will face scrapping or reform. the prime minister has been accused— the prime minister has been eeewsei er— the prime minister has been accused of breaking his promise to accused of breaking his promise re siren— accused of breaking his promise re iiien ine— accused of breaking his promise to ditch the laws— accused of breaking his promise to ditch the laws by gb news wen— to ditch the laws by gb news wen ewn— to ditch the laws by gb news very reeeb— to ditch the laws by gb news very own jacob rees—mogg, who iniiieiiw— very own jacob rees—mogg, who iniiieiiw brew— very own jacob rees—mogg, who initially drew up— very own jacob rees—mogg, who initially drew up the original nu,— initially drew up the original nu, sewing— initially drew up the original bill, saying the— initially drew up the original bill, saying the blob has rriwnbnei— bill, saying the blob has rriwnbnee .— bill, saying the blob has triumphed . well, joining me now triumphed. well, joining me now is beiirieei— triumphed. well, joining me now is political commentator matthew sieiien — is political commentator matthew sieiien eni— is political commentator matthew stadlen and former brexit party irri— stadlen and former brexit party bier ben— stadlen and former brexit party mep ben habib_ stadlen and former brexit party mep ben habib ._ stadlen and former brexit party mep ben habib . let's start with mep ben habib. let's start with you,— mep ben habib. let's start with wen ben— mep ben habib. let's start with wen ben ir— mep ben habib. let's start with your ben if we— mep ben habib. let's start with you, ben, if we could . i know you, ben, if we could. i know wen-we— you, ben, if we could. i know wen-we been— you, ben, if we could. i know wen-we been e— you, ben, if we could. i know you've been a very outspoken eriiie— you've been a very outspoken eriiie er— you've been a very outspoken eriiie er ine— you've been a very outspoken critic of the way— you've been a very outspoken critic of the way the conservatives have handled brexir— conservatives have handled brevii eve— conservatives have handled brexit over northern ireland of course, you took— brexit over northern ireland of course, you took the government to course, you took the government re-inei—

course, you took the government ie-rner eni— course, you took the government to-that and over- to court over that and over risning— to court over that and over risning ,— to court over that and over risning , bur— to court over that and over fishing, but the- to court over that and over fishing , but the bonfire of the fishing, but the bonfire of the revs— fishing, but the bonfire of the iews is— fishing, but the bonfire of the iews is new— fishing, but the bonfire of the laws is now turning into a rwnerei— laws is now turning into a rwnerei bvre— laws is now turning into a funeral pyre for- laws is now turning into a funeral pyre for the tories. inev-re— funeral pyre for the tories. inev-re nei— funeral pyre for the tories. they're not getting the job iene. — they're not getting the job iene. weir.— they're not getting the job done. well, they- they're not getting the job done. venice " e they're not getting the job- done. well, they haven't before i address that, can i just trot through a couple of other legal implications of the brexit that we've got? the first is you've rewenei— we've got? the first is you've rewenei en— we've got? the first is you've touched on is— we've got? the first is you've touched on is that— 9:37 the first is you've touched on is that northern reigni— touched on is that northern ireieni nes— touched on is that northern ireland has been left behind in the ireland has been left behind in we iii— ireland has been left behind in we in singie— ireland has been left behind in the eu single market for goods . the eu single market for goods. it the eu single market for goods. b is— the eu single market for goods. b is subject— the eu single market for goods. b is swbteer re— the eu single market for goods. it is subject to foreign- the eu single market for goods. it is subject to foreign laws- it is subject to foreign laws made by a foreign legislature and enforced by a foreign court. it effect the annexation it is in effect the annexation of northern ireland and of course the irish sea border , course the irish sea border, which rishi sunak wishes to mask with his false windsor framework, which he claims would be a solution to the protocol but is actually just reinforcing the protocol with some bells and whistles that irish sea border will become starker and starker. the more great britain . that's the more great britain. that's england, scotland and wales diverges from the eu. so there's a big diverges from the eu. so there's e big ineenrive— diverges from the eu. so there's a big incentive in— r: g so there's a big incentive in government to not a big incentive in government to nei ee— a big incentive in government to net be envrning— a big incentive in government to not do anything now which would eerweiiv— not do anything now which would actually deliver— not do anything now which would actually deliver brexit for at ieesi— actually deliver brexit for at

best greet— actually deliver brexit for at least great britain, because it it accentuates— least great britain, because it it accentuates the difference between— it accentuates the difference between northern ireland and beer— between northern ireland and great britain. _ between northern ireland and great britain. 'r: between northern ireland and great britain. ' r: between northern ireland and great britain. r: ”800 great britain. and these 4800 laws. let's just— great britain. and these 4800 laws. let'sjust get— great britain. and these 4800 laws. let's just get one- great britain. ' r: ”800 let's just get one thing laws. let's just get one thing sireigni.— laws. let's just get one thing straight. there— laws. let's just get one thing straight. there was- let's just get one thing straight. there was a slight in veer— straight. there was a slight error in your autocue, if i may sev— error in your autocue, if i may sev se— error in your autocue, if i may sev inese— error in your autocue, if i may say so. these are— error in your autocue, if i may say so. these are not all the eu iews. — say so. these are not all the eu iews. ibis— say so. these are not all the eu iews. ibis is— say so. these are not all the eu laws. this is a— say so. these are not all the eu laws. this is a very- say so. these are not all the eu laws. " : laws. this is a very narrow body of eu laws. these are eu regwieiiens— of eu laws. these are eu regulations that- these are eu regulations that were made by the regulations that were made by we in— regulations that were made by the eu commission without any say the eu commission without any sev se— the eu commission without any sev wiinewi— the eu commission without any say so, without any debate with our parliament,— say so, without any debate with our parliament, which every rnernebr— our parliament, which every member state— our parliament, which every member state was required to eiebi— member state was required to steer . — member state was required to steer . ibere— member state was required to adopt . there are— member state was required to adopt . : adopt. there are thousands of other eu laws on our statute books which we're not even beginning to tackle , and in beginning to tackle, and in a sense these are the easiest laws to ditch because they weren't made with british national interest in mind. they were made with eu interest in mind. and seven years on, from the brexit vote, these should all have gone and we should have had laws made for british national interest, not the eu. matthew, for british national interest, not the eu . matthew, i want not for the eu. matthew, i want to not for the eu. matthew, i want re bring— not for the eu. matthew, i want re bring ven— not for the eu. matthew, i want re bring vew in.— not for the eu. matthew, i want to bring you in. there- not for the eu. matthew, i want to bring you in. there is- matthew, i want to bring you in. there is this an inevitability— to bring you in. there is this an inevitability obe did brexiteers_ an inevitability obe did brexiteers promise something new— brexiteers promise something new een— brexiteers promise something they can never— brexiteers promise something they can never deliver on? i

suspect— they can never deliver on? i suspect se— they can never deliver on? i suspect so, and— they can never deliver on? i suspect so, and it's certainly a breben— suspect so, and it's certainly a brenen bieege— suspect so, and it's certainly a broken pledge by— suspect so, and it's certainly a broken pledge by the prime minister— broken pledge by the prime minister and— broken pledge by the prime minister and that's not going to play— minister and that's not going to brew weir— minister and that's not going to brew weii war.— minister and that's not going to play well with his— minister and that's not going to play well with his base. and on iner— play well with his base. and on we ben— play well with his base. and on we ben eni— play well with his base. and on that ben and i— play well with his base. and on that ben and i would agree a eneiienge— that ben and i would agree a challenge for— that ben and i would agree a challenge for ben and his eriiieisn — challenge for ben and his criticism of— challenge for ben and his criticism of the- challenge for ben and his criticism of the windsor agreement,— criticism of the windsor agreement, because i don't know wner— agreement, because i don't know what- alternative _ agreement, because i don't know what-alternative to - agreement, because i don't know what alternative to that what your alternative to that was..— what your alternative to that was- bui— what your alternative to that was- bar ine- what your alternative to that was , but the customs was or is, but the customs berier— was or is, but the customs border where— was or is, but the customs border where it— was or is, but the customs border where it should be, which is between— border where it should be, which is between northern ireland and the is between northern ireland and we reenbiie— is between northern ireland and the republic. you— is between northern ireland and the republic. you took the words rigni— right out of my mouth so you weari— right out of my mouth so you would destroy— right out of my mouth so you would destroy the good friday. no, would destroy the good friday. weleeei— would destroy the good friday. no,-good friday- would destroy the good friday. no, good friday agreement . no, the good friday agreement. ware—isiane- no, the good friday agreement. hard—island of. hard border on the island of ireiani— hard border on the island of ireiani .— hard border on the island of ireland . matt,— hard border on the island of ireland . matt, you me ireland. matt, can you let me rinisn— ireland. matt, can you let me rinisn e— ireland. matt, can you let me finish ? because— ireland. matt, can you let me finish ? because you've had your finish? because you've had your saw.— finish? because you've had your sav. iiaiinew— finish? because you've had your say. matthew the— finish? because you've had your say. matthew the is, i say. matthew the fact is, i veteri— say. matthew the fact is, i veiei rer— say. matthew the fact is, i voted for remain. i can understand— voted for remain. i can understand are some voted for remain. i can- understand-are some good understand there are some good reasons for brexit. _ understand there are some good reasons for brexit. i— understand there are some good reasons for brexit. i was quite bersaaiee— reasons for brexit. i was quite persuaded by— reasons for brexit. i was quite persuaded by the _ reasons for brexit. i was quite persuaded by the sovereignty argument.— persuaded by the sovereignty argwnenr. n— persuaded by the sovereignty argument. a lot— persuaded by the sovereignty argument. a lot of remainers waiening— argument. a lot of remainers watching will— argument. a lot of remainers watching will hate me for that. i watching will hate me for that. i veteri— watching will hate me for that. i veiei wra— watching will hate me for that. i voted with my— watching will hate me for that. i voted with my head not my i voted with my head and not my neari— i voted with my head and not my nean . — i voted with my head and not my nean . ana— i voted with my head and not my nean . and i— i voted with my head and not my heart . and i realised,- i voted with my head and not my heart. r: : heart. and i realised, for example , the disaster that example, the disaster that brexit could have been if mishandled for the island of ireland and for the peace process . but going back to these process. but going back to these 4000 laws or regulations are not going to be subject to a bonfire. some of them will, but not bonfire. some of them will, but net-ei— bonfire. some of them will, but neiiei rnen— bonfire. some of them will, but not-of them will.— bonfire. some of them will, but not-of them will. as- bonfire. some of them will, but not-of them will. as i- ”it; some of them will, but not of them will. as i say, not all of them will. as i say, anar— not all of them will. as i say,

inai wiri— not all of them will. as i say, that will-badly- not all of them will. as i say, that will badly the that will play badly with the rew— that will play badly with the. tory _ brexiteers tory base, badly with brexiteers . bai— tory base, badly with brexiteers . but i— tory base, badly with brexiteers . but i rninb— tory base, badly with brexiteers . but i think it's— tory base, badly with brexiteers . but i think it's a— tory base, badly with brexiteers . but i think it's a good thing. why— . but i think it's a good thing. wnv ae— . but i think it's a good thing. wnv ielrninb— . but i think it's a good thing. why do |think it's— . but i think it's a good thing. why do think it's a good why do i think it's a good ininge— why do i think it's a good thing? -there- why do i think it's a good- thing? -there.plenty thing? because there is plenty of thing? because there is plenty er—ieabi- thing? because there is plenty of_doubt within. of good law, no doubt within inese— of good law, no doubt within inese iaws— of good law, no doubt within those laws. we— of good law, no doubt within those laws. we them in to those laws. we took them in to regai— those laws. we took them in to our legal system— those laws. we took them in to our legal system as a sovereign eennirw— our legal system as a sovereign eeanirv. we— our legal system as a sovereign sewnrrv. we gave— our legal system as a sovereign country. we gave up our eu nenbersnib— country. we gave up our eu membership in— country. we gave up our eu membership in order to regain in the membership in order to regain in we eves— membership in order to regain in we eves er— membership in order to regain in the eyes of brexiteers some some severeigniv— the eyes of brexiteers some some severeignrv anar— the eyes of brexiteers some some sovereignty that we'd given up in ineir— sovereignty that we'd given up in ineir eves. — sovereignty that we'd given up in their eyes. we— sovereignty that we'd given up in their eyes. we don't want to babe— in their eyes. we don't want to trade inab— in their eyes. we don't want to trade that then— in their eyes. we don't want to trade that then to— in their eyes. we don't want to trade that then to give power inneiiaieiv— trade that then to give power immediately and directly to the eeeairve— immediately and directly to the eeeairve ,— immediately and directly to the executive , whether that's a tory executive, whether that's a tory gevernrneni— executive, whether that's a tory gevernrnenb a— executive, whether that's a tory government, a labour government, a bab— government, a labour government, a iab bib— government, a labour government, a lab lib government, we want eieeiei— a lab lib government, we want our elected representatives that we nave— our elected representatives that we nave abi— our elected representatives that we have all voted— our elected representatives that we have all voted for to scrutinise _ we have all voted for to scrutinise these laws before inev— scrutinise these laws before new are— scrutinise these laws before they are abolished in the houses of parliament.— they are abolished in the houses of parliament. we— they are abolished in the houses of parliament. we want parliamentary sovereignty. we ben-r— parliamentary sovereignty. we aen-rwani— parliamentary sovereignty. we don't want our— parliamentary sovereignty. we don't want our eu status to be rebiaeei— don't want our eu status to be rebiaeee bv— don't want our eu status to be rebiaeee by an— don't want our eu status to be replaced by an overweening eeeaiive — replaced by an overweening executive. okay,— replaced by an overweening executive. okay, but ben , surely executive. okay, but ben, surely asbe— executive. okay, but ben, surely esoo iaws— executive. okay, but ben, surely 4800 laws sounds— executive. okay, but ben, surely 4800 laws sounds like a lot. inere-s— 4800 laws sounds like a lot. inere-s a— 4800 laws sounds like a lot. inere-s a ber— 4800 laws sounds like a lot. there's a lot of— 4800 laws sounds like a lot. there's a lot of civil servants to there's a lot of civil servants be my— there's a lot of civil servants re nv mains— there's a lot of civil servants to my maths work out if they eerie— to my maths work out if they eerie ae— to my maths work out if they could do eight— to my maths work out if they could do eight of— to my maths work out if they could do eight of these laws per day between— could do eight of these laws per day between them— could do eight of these laws per day between them will have got this day between them will have got inis inreagn— day between them will have got this through in— day between them will have got this through in time. day between them will have got this through in time . is this a this through in time. is this a

er— this through in time. is this a er ine— this through in time. is this a case of the blob— this through in time. is this a case of the blob acting like a remain resistance— case of the blob acting like a remain resistance ? f remain resistance? i'm reluctant to blame the civil service . to blame the civil service. you're absolutely right. we've got 530,000 people 4:3. ”it; uq ”g we've got 530,000 people working in the got 530,000 people working in be avi— got 530,000 people working in the civil service— got 530,000 people working in the civil service ,_ got 530,000 people working in the civil service , up from the civil service, up from sewers— the civil service, up from 480,013 years- the civil service, up from 480,013 years ago. “riii 480,013 years ago. there's no shortage of people to scrutinise these laws and advise ministers. but the fundamental failing- but the fundamental failing here is a cabinet— but the fundamental failing here is a cabinet that— but the fundamental failing here is a cabinet that hasn't got the sewage— is a cabinet that hasn't got the age re— is a cabinet that hasn't got the courage to actually give effect to courage to actually give effect re brexii. — courage to actually give effect to brexit. they— courage to actually give effect to brexit. they don't want to deviate— to brexit. they don't want to deviate from _ to brexit. they don't want to deviate from the— to brexit. they don't want to deviate from the eu because they inev— deviate from the eu because they new rear— deviate from the eu because they new rear inev— deviate from the eu because they they fear they they— deviate from the eu because they they fear they they must have a eenbieie— they fear they they must have a eenbiere iaeb— they fear they they must have a complete lack of— they fear they they must have a complete lack of self confidence.- complete lack of self confidence. they fear governing inenseives. — confidence. they fear governing themselves. they— confidence. they fear governing themselves. they fear the effect on themselves. they fear the effect en wennern— themselves. they fear the effect on northern ireland. and by the way,— on northern ireland. and by the wayv barring— on northern ireland. and by the wayv barring ine— on northern ireland. and by the way, putting the border for the seei— way, putting the border for the been away— way, putting the border for the good friday agreement just to be aireriv— good friday agreement just to be aiieriv seair— good friday agreement just to be utterly clear, recognises that berier. — utterly clear, recognises that berier. ii— utterly clear, recognises that berier. ii is— utterly clear, recognises that border. it is not— utterly clear, recognises that border. it is not a hard border to border. it is not a hard border re nave— border. it is not a hard border to have customs— border. it is not a hard border to have customs checks across ine— to have customs checks across ine berser— to have customs checks across ine berier .— to have customs checks across the border . what— to have customs checks across the border . what what, what the the border. what what, what the ieebabiis— the border. what what, what the ieebabiis ei— the border. what what, what the republic of ireland early on resegnisei— republic of ireland early on recognised was— republic of ireland early on recognised was if they could sabiare— recognised was if they could sabrwre ine — recognised was if they could capture the economic interests of capture the economic interests ei wennern— capture the economic interests of northern ireland through the breiesei,— of northern ireland through the breresei, inev— of northern ireland through the protocol, they could then beiiiise— protocol, they could then beiiiise ,— protocol, they could then politico , albie- protocol, they could then politico , albie and politico, albie and constitutionally capture wennern— constitutionally capture northern ireland. that's what the northern ireland. that's what

we wneie— northern ireland. that's what the whole debate is about, that i'm the whole debate is about, that in arraig— the whole debate is about, that i'm afraid that— the whole debate is about, that i'm afraid that is— the whole debate is about, that i'm afraid that is a— the whole debate is about, that i'm afraid that is a that is a fundamental— i'm afraid that is a that is a fundamental failing in the understanding of remainers. you talk understanding of remainers. you iaib aberr— understanding of remainers. you talk about the _ understanding of remainers. you talk about the importance of severeignrv. — talk about the importance of sovereignty. we've given up. iiaiinew— sovereignty. we've given up. iiaiinew kyiv— sovereignty. we've given up. matthew kyiv given up northern renni— matthew kyiv given up northern ireiani. beek— matthew kyiv given up northern ireland. look you're a highly inieiiigeni— ireland. look you're a highly intelligent person. v/rir. ireland. look you're a highly intelligent person. v/ri. grir intelligent person. you've got a gees— intelligent person. you've got a good grasp of all this stuff, but i'm that but that is, i'm afraid that element is la la land. you element of it is la la land. you go and do a tour of ireland and ask them having customs ask them whether having customs checks border the checks on the border between the nonh north and the south and tell them not hard them that it's not a hard border, laughed out of border, you'll be laughed out of that regulations. that country on the regulations. and important. and this is really important. kemi badenoch, the trade secretary, she went over the head parliament, is why head of parliament, which is why the speaker was angry with the speaker was so angry with her. know whether you her. i don't know whether you saw media saw the clip on social media and elsewhere think he elsewhere this week. i think he went i don't think he went too far. i don't think he should have been shouting at someone, shouting at someone, let alone shouting at at a but the reason she at a woman. but the reason she went parliament went over the head of parliament went over the head of parliament went telegraph , went directly to the telegraph, was that could have a was so that she could have a headune was so that she could have a headline tories headline saying that the tories had frustrated by the blob had been frustrated by the blob because she's regain because she's trying to regain some faith, save some face with with the with the tory backbench , but also with also with the tory base. this is really important. ben says these are

narrow regulations. it's not narrow, work, it narrow, it affects work, it affects trade, it affects business, they are narrow environment, it affects food. we want they are narrow in which our rights are. you talk about parliamentary, importance parliamentary, the importance of parliamentary, the importance of parliamentary scrutiny. these laws were without parliamentary scrutiny. these laws were -without any. laws were made without any bariianenrarv— parliamentary scrutiny. they weeen- ine- parliamentary scrutiny. they were-on the on- parliamentary scrutiny. they were on the on the were foisted on the on the iiniiei— were foisted on the on the united kingdom with eu interests in—sneaii— united kingdom with eu interests in—sneaii be- united kingdom with eu interests in_should be the- in mind. they should be the risi— in mind. they should be the first iaws— in mind. they should be the first laws to _ in mind. they should be the first laws to go. _ in mind. they should be the first laws to go. and find it first laws to go. and i find it saw— first laws to go. and i find it really interesting that you say inas— really interesting that you say inn-were— really interesting that you say inainere ie— really interesting that you say that-were to go- really interesting that you say that were to go to the that if i were to go to the ieebabiis— that if i were to go to the republic them republic of ireland and ask them aberr— republic of ireland and ask them abeai—berien- republic of ireland and ask them about—border, they- about a customs border, they weari— about a customs border, they wears—ia- about a customs border, they would_la.land.| would say, i'm in la la land. i een-i— would say, i'm in la la land. i don't—republicl would say, i'm in la la land. i. don't—republic of don't care what the republic of beans— ireland thinks. that's the brebien. — ireland thinks. that's the. problem. _what ireland thinks. that's the. problem._what i problem. i don't care what i aberr— problem. i don't care what i care about is— problem. i don't care what i care about is northern ireland ani— care about is northern ireland and-citizens- care about is northern ireland and-citizens in- care about is northern ireland and citizens in northern and british citizens in northern ireiansi— and british citizens in northern ireiane. beebie— and british citizens in northern ireland, people in— and british citizens in northern ireland, people in northern ireiansi— ireland, people in northern. ireiansi—ie ireland, whether they want to nave — ireland, whether they want to have _border,- ireland, whether they want to have - border, it's - ireland, whether they want to have border, it's not have a hard border, it's not a bare— have a hard border, it's not a hard border. _ have a hard border, it's not a hard border. it— have a hard border, it's not a hard border. it is- have a hard border, it's not a hard border. . “viii: . hard border. it is a hard it is customs that everyone agrees. no, it's a remainer narrative . no, it's a remainer narrative. ii-s— no, it's a remainer narrative. its net.— no, it's a remainer narrative. its new ii-s— no, it's a remainer narrative. its new its a— no, it's a remainer narrative. it's not. it's a remainer nanaiive — it's not. it's a remainer narrative. it's- it's not. it's a remainer narrative. . r?" it's not. it's a remainer narrative. . v?" iiinir. it's not. it's a remainer- narrative. it's an emotive word. that's narrative. it's an emotive word. inai-swreng. — narrative. it's an emotive word. that's wrong. you _ narrative. it's an emotive word. that's wrong. you are wrong . that's wrong. you are wrong. simon coveney, foreign secretary of republic of ireland, is on the record saying he wouldn't tolerate customs checks even if they were in ballymena . and in they were in ballymena. and in case you don't know— they were in ballymena. and in case you don't know the- case you don't know the geography— case you don't know the geography of_ case you don't know the geography of northern ireland,

baiivnena— ballymena is quite a long way fren— ballymena is quite a long way iren ine— ballymena is quite a long way from the border.— ballymena is quite a long way from the border. the point is wnai— from the border. the point is wnai-is— from the border. the point is wnai-is ie- from the border. the point is what-is to break. from the border. the point is. what-is to break the what they want is to break the unrea— what they want is to break the united kingdom,— what they want is to break the united kingdom, put what you weari— united kingdom, put what you would define— united kingdom, put what you would define who wants this, wnai— would define who wants this, wnai vea — would define who wants this, wnar vew wne — would define who wants this, what you who wants to break up the nationalists,— what you who wants to break up the nationalists, the republicans and the eu. they wani— republicans and the eu. they wani ine— republicans and the eu. they wani we in— republicans and the eu. they want the eu is— republicans and the eu. they want the eu is on the record. iiisnaei— want the eu is on the record. michael barnier_ want the eu is on the record. michael barnier is on the record saving— michael barnier is on the record saving inab— michael barnier is on the record saving inar ine— michael barnier is on the record saying that the cost of brexit wiri— saying that the cost of brexit wiii be — saying that the cost of brexit will be northern— saying that the cost of brexit will be northern ireland. come bask— will be northern ireland. come bask en— will be northern ireland. come bask en ibis.— will be northern ireland. come back on this. but— will be northern ireland. come back on this. but matt, when you say back on this. but matt, when you saw inab— back on this. but matt, when you saw bar is— back on this. but matt, when you say bar is a— back on this. but matt, when you say that it's a hard— back on this. but matt, when you say that it's a hard border between— say that it's a hard border between ireland say that it's a hard border between-ireland the between northern ireland and the repabiis—as- republic, you are prepared as a briiisn— republic, you are prepared as a british citizen— republic, you are prepared as a british citizen to— republic, you are prepared as a british citizen to put an egwaiiv— british citizen to put an equally border between equally hard border between breas— equally hard border between great britain— equally hard border between great britain and northern ireiansi— great britain and northern ireland. frankly, i find that eiiensive— ireland. frankly, i find that offensive. _ ireland. frankly, i find that offensive . the- ireland. frankly, i find that offensive . " offensive. the only person that is prepared that as is prepared to do that as a british citizen well, the only people prepared do people who are prepared to do that in the first that are brexiteers in the first place because they dismiss the concern. in the concern. sons of ireland in the build up to the election, people were repeatedly bent over backwards , pointedly backwards for ireland, pointedly asked the effect on the asked about the effect on the peace agreement on the good friday , you say ignored friday peace, you say ignored it. the consequence are you saying violence saying there would be violence there saying there on your are you saying there on your are you saying there be violence order there would be violence in order to are saying to have checks? are you saying inere— to have checks? are you saying inere weari— to have checks? are you saying there would be— ff7 are you saying there would be nationalist vieiense— there would be nationalist violence to— there would be nationalist violence to suggest violence to and suggest that were— violence to and suggest that inere—inail violence to and suggest that.

there _that 4000 there are to suggest that 4000 iaws— there are to suggest that 4000 iawsnarrew-— there are to suggest that 4000 laws narrow tranche of laws are a narrow tranche of iaws— laws are a narrow tranche of iaws wnen— laws are a narrow tranche of iaws wnen as— laws are a narrow tranche of laws when, as i— laws are a narrow tranche of laws when, as i say, the effects a—inings- a whole range of things, insiaiing— a whole range of things, including our— a whole range of things, including our health and safety at verb.— including our health and safety at work, transport, food, agriculture,— at work, transport, food, agriculture, their relatively narrow brexiteer la land. �*fvirill narrow brexiteer la land. well, i narrow brexiteer la land. well, i mean— narrow brexiteer la land. well, i vea— narrow brexiteer la land. well, i vea ge— narrow brexiteer la land. well, i vea ge en— narrow brexiteer la land. well, i mean you go on about la la land. these i mean you go on about la la land . these are laws made by the land. these are laws made by the eu land. these are laws made by the in ier— land. these are laws made by the in ier inen— land. these are laws made by the eu for them they— land. these are laws made by the eu for them they were— evii�*r: these are laws made by the eu for them they were made by the eu for them they were made by we in— eu for them they were made by we in ier— eu for them they were made by the eu for the— eu for them they were made by the eu for the eu.— eu for them they were made by the eu for the eu. the reason i say— the eu for the eu. the reason i say anew-re— the eu for the eu. the reason i say they're narrow— the eu for the eu. the reason i say they're narrow is because inev— say they're narrow is because new wee— say they're narrow is because new nei— say they're narrow is because they were not made with british naiienai— they were not made with british national interests— they were not made with british national interests in mind . national interests in mind. so ier-s— national interests in mind. so let's scrutinise— national interests in mind. so let's scrutinise them - national interests in mind. so let's scrutinise them before we get rid of. no, i want to ask you a question. parliamentary democracy. i'm scared it democracy. i'm not scared of it .|wani— democracy. i'm not scared of it .|wani ie— democracy. i'm not scared of it .|wani re asb— democracy. i'm not scared of it .iwant to ask you— democracy. i'm not scared of it .iwant to ask you a- :ff i'm not scared of it . want to ask you a question. . i want to ask you a question. isn-i— . i want to ask you a question. isn-ilwbai— . i want to ask you a question. isn-ilwbai i— . i want to ask you a question. isn'tlwhat i wanted- . i want to ask you a question. isn'tlwhat i wanted was- . i want to ask you a question. isn'tlwhat i wanted was to. isn't it what i wanted was to get rid of the unelected bureaucrats in brussels and replace them with the executive. the uk or and can i answer your are you going to let me answer youn are you going to let me answer your. our elected representatives? let burnhamthorpe gone. so you're arguing that laws— burnhamthorpe gone. so you're arguing that laws made- q so you're arguing that laws made by aneiesiei— arguing that laws made by unelected officials in brussels sneaiin-i— unelected officials in brussels sneaiin-i be— unelected officials in brussels shouldn't be ditched by our eiesiei— shouldn't be ditched by our elected officials in the united vingiene — elected officials in the united vingeene is— elected officials in the united kingdom? is that— elected officials in the united kingdom? is that what you're arguing? i am arguing that our elected representatives , our

elected representatives, our mps, the 650, whatever. let me finish . you asked— mps, the 650, whatever. let me finish . you asked me- mps, the 650, whatever. let me finish . you asked me a- irsid let me finish . you asked me a question. finish. you asked me a question. ornerwise.— finish. you asked me a question. einerwise. are— finish. you asked me a question. otherwise, are we— finish. you asked me a question. otherwise, are we going to get newneree— otherwise, are we going to get nowhere? right?— otherwise, are we going to get nowhere? right? okay. so we've got nowhere? right? okay. so we've gei ebo— nowhere? right? okay. so we've gei ese iris— nowhere? right? okay. so we've gei ese iris er— nowhere? right? okay. so we've got 650 mps or whatever it is i— got 650 mps or whatever it is i wani— got 650 mps or whatever it is now i want those— got 650 mps or whatever it is now i want those people 650, not the now i want those people 650, not we eesaiive— now i want those people 650, not the executive, 650,— now i want those people 650, not the executive, 650, not the eesaiive— the executive, 650, not the executive, not— the executive, 650, not the executive, not the government to ssraiinise — executive, not the government to scrutinise these _ executive, not the government to scrutinise these laws that we're aberr— scrutinise these laws that we're abeai re — scrutinise these laws that we're about to abolish— scrutinise these laws that we're about to abolish because einerwise— about to abolish because otherwise we _ about to abolish because otherwise we have kemi badenoch and otherwise we have kemi badenoch ani ieisni— otherwise we have kemi badenoch and rishi sunak— otherwise we have kemi badenoch and rishi sunak and whoever else in snarge— and rishi sunak and whoever else in snarge ei— and rishi sunak and whoever else in charge of the— and rishi sunak and whoever else in charge of the elected government,— in charge of the elected government, they are the gevernrnenr. — government, they are the government. but we have bariianeni— government. but we have parliament for— government. but we have parliament for a reason. are you suggesting— parliament for a reason. are you suggesting you— parliament for a reason. are you suggesting you don't want to iive— suggesting you don't want to iive in— suggesting you don't want to iive in a— suggesting you don't want to live in a parliamentary democracy?— live in a parliamentary democracy? that's absurd. brewin— democracy? that's absurd. brews-- — democracy? that's absurd. brews-- ii— democracy? that's absurd. brexit... it is- democracy? that's absurd. brexit... it is an. democracy? that's absurd.- brexit... it is an absurd brexit. it is. it is an absurd proposition that government exercising authority it has exercising the authority it has been conveyed by being elected into weaning authority . it been conveyed by being elected into weaning authority. it is not. so one last question . hang not. so one last question. hang on, hang not. so one last question. hang nang — not. so one last question. hang nang iii— not. so one last question. hang on, hang on. i'll put— not. so one last question. hang on, hang on. i'll put it- not. so one last question. hang on, hang on. i'll put it to- not. : iii" hang on, hang on. i'll put it to you. se— on, hang on. i'll put it to you. be se— on, hang on. i'll put it to you. be. be wrabbing— on, hang on. i'll put it to you. so. so wrapping up, are the reins— so. so wrapping up, are the ieries geing— so. so wrapping up, are the tories going to— so. so wrapping up, are the tories going to salvage this or is ibis— tories going to salvage this or is inis a— tories going to salvage this or is this a bonfire— tories going to salvage this or is this a bonfire look, is this a bonfire of them? look, ine— is this a bonfire of them? look, ine ieries— is this a bonfire of them? look, the tories never— is this a bonfire of them? look, the tories never delivered brexii. — the tories never delivered brexit. you— the tories never delivered brexit. you can't- the tories never delivered brexit. vr/ri. cr?" . rtrii the tories never delivered brexit. v/ri. t " . rtriv brexit. you can't claim you delivered brexit by leaving northern ireland behind under a foreign jurisdiction. so we never got brexit. this is the

tories now pivoting completely away from brexit. and if we get away from brexit. and if we get a labour government we're going to into dynamic alignment on to go into dynamic alignment on regulation brexit be regulation and brexit will be dead. final word to you, dead. okay, final word to you, matthew okay, came matthew sadler. okay, we came into matthew sadler. okay, we came inie ine— matthew sadler. okay, we came into the studio— matthew sadler. okay, we came into the studio today— : okay, we came into the studio today not evbesring— expecting such a feisty disagreement because i thought this disagreement because i thought inis is— disagreement because i thought this is actually— disagreement because i thought this is actually quite complicated and quite nuanced. ani— complicated and quite nuanced. ana-presiseiv— complicated and quite nuanced. and-precisely why- complicated and quite nuanced. and precisely why i want and that is precisely why i want our and that is precisely why i want iris— and that is precisely why i want iris ie— and that is precisely why i want our mps to have— and that is precisely why i want our mps to have some oversight bere— our mps to have some oversight nerewe-— our mps to have some oversight nerewe- stan— our mps to have some oversight here we start abolishing here before we start abolishing all here before we start abolishing air-ei— here before we start abolishing all-of important- all sorts of important legislation,- all sorts of important legislation, which i may agree witn— legislation, which i may agree wiin. vea— legislation, which i may agree with. you was— legislation, which i may agree with. you was imposed upon us witn— with. you was imposed upon us wiin ear— with. you was imposed upon us with our agreement, with our basis— with our agreement, with our tacit agreement— with our agreement, with our tacit agreement by the eu. i een-i— tacit agreement by the eu. i een-i wani— tacit agreement by the eu. i don't want the _ tacit agreement by the eu. i don't want the government simply to don't want the government simply be sav— don't want the government simply re sav besse— don't want the government simply to say because wants to to say because it wants to appear— to say because it wants to abbeai-rigni- to say because it wants to appeal right wing base, appeal to its right wing base, were—ibis- appeal to its right wing base,| we're—this right appeal to its right wing base, we're we're this right appeal to its right wing base, we're we're going this right appeal to its right wing base, we're we're going scrap ght wing, we're going to scrap all ibis—ear- wing, we're going to scrap all| ibis—ear iris this good law. i want our mps why— this good law. i want our mps wnv sneaii— this good law. i want our mps why should we— this good law. i want our mps why should we fear our own mps? you why should we fear our own mps? wen-ier— why should we fear our own mps? wen-ier venr— why should we fear our own mps? you _for your own _ why should we fear our own mps? you for your own mps, but you voted for your own mps, but i you voted for your own mps, but i ininb— you voted for your own mps, but i think government— you voted for your own mps, but i think government should do its job. i think government should do its teb-ier— i think government should do its job. for parliamentary job. allow for parliamentary severeignrv. — job. allow for parliamentary sovereignty. that was one of the key-breviieers- sovereignty. that was one of the key brexiteers voted for key reasons brexiteers voted for brewin— key reasons brexiteers voted for brexii. ier-s— key reasons brexiteers voted for brexit. let's follow— key reasons brexiteers voted for brexit. let's follow through wiin — brexit. let's follow throughi with _ gentlemen, with that. okay, gentlemen, i wiri— with that. okay, gentlemen, i viii—sine.- with that. okay, gentlemen, i. will—time.-could will have to call time. we could nave— will have to call time. we could nave-eav— will have to call time. we could nave-bay .— will have to call time. we could nave-bay . bing- will have to call time. we could have day . ding dong. if have this all day. ding dong. if weare— have this all day. ding dong. if yea-renew— vea- have this all day. ding dong. if you're now, you must you're not awake now, you must be-raniasiis— you're not awake now, you must be fantastic debate . be dead. fantastic debate. riaiinew— be dead. fantastic debate. matthew sadler ben albie. matthew sadler and ben albie. inane— matthew sadler and ben albie. thank—brilliant. matthew sadler and ben albie.

thank—brilliant .| thank you. that was brilliant. breas— thank you. that was brilliant. sear-ie— thank you. that was brilliant. great-to-show- thank you. that was brilliant. great-to-show .- thank you. that was brilliant. great to show . well, i great start to the show. well, i nebe— great start to the show. well, i hope-vou- great start to the show. well, i. nebe-vea-inere hope that woke you up out there .-waisning—ie| . you're watching and listen to gb .you're watching and listen to en —ne.l .you're watching and listen to- sb —rne rianin gb news saturday with me. martin baabnev—senel gb news saturday with me. martinj daubney—come on daubney is loads more to come on ieiav-s— daubney is loads more to come on reiav-s sbew— daubney is loads more to come on today's show, including the bank of , today's show, including the bank ei-. nas— today's show, including the bank of-, has raised- today's show, including the bank of , has raised interest of england, has raised interest rares— of england, has raised interest rates—in- of england, has raised interest rates—in al of england, has raised interesti rates—in a rates for the 12th time in a row witn— rates for the 12th time in a row wirn eivnbis.— rates for the 12th time in a row with olympic. exactly what that means—holders. with olympic. exactly what thati means—holders and means for mortgage holders and the means for mortgage holders and we nenev— means for mortgage holders and we nenev in— means for mortgage holders and the money in your— means for mortgage holders and the money in your pocket . okay. the money in your pocket. okay. ani— the money in your pocket. okay. ana siisb— the money in your pocket. okay. and stick with— the money in your pocket. okay. and stick with us.— the money in your pocket. okay. and stick with us. we'll see you

listening to gb news radio . listening to gb news radio. good afternoon. it's 1230. listening to gb news radio. good afternoon. it's1230. i'm good afternoon. it's 1230. i'm rory smith in the gb newsroom, a call has been made for a special summit to bring an end to the toxic rail dispute. rmt union boss mick lynch has written to the government calling for a meeting with an independent chair if necessary , to end what chair if necessary, to end what he's described as chaos on the railways. will it comes as passengers face yet another day of disruption , with workers of disruption, with workers again joining picket lines. more strikes are set to be held on

the 31st of may and the 3rd of june. that's the day of the fa cup final at wembley. sir keir starmer says he's ready for a dirty and nasty campaign ahead of next year's general election . the labour leader used a speech at the progressive britain conference to outline his vision for the party, which involves changing the entire culture. he also admitted more work needs to be done to reconnect with working people . reconnect with working people. home owners are being warned there's more mortgage pain to come . the resolution foundation come. the resolution foundation found that the growing popularity of fixed rates and longer term deals means that many borrowers are yet to see the impact of rising interest rates. but it comes after the bank of england increased the base rate for the 12th consecutive time . from 4.25% to consecutive time. from 4.25% to 4.5. momentum is building ahead of tonight's final of the eurovision song contest in liverpool . the uk's entry may

liverpool. the uk's entry may mueller , who will perform. i mueller, who will perform. i wrote a song, says she's ready to get the show on the road . to get the show on the road. she's one of 26 acts to appear before an estimated global audience of . 160 million viewers audience of. 160 million viewers as the uk agreed to host the contest on behalf of last year's winner, ukraine tv online dab plus radio and on tunein. this is gb news. now back to . is gb news. now back to. martin and thanks for the update there, rory. well, welcome back to gb wews— rory. well, welcome back to gb wews saiariav— rory. well, welcome back to gb news saturday with— 31:2in well, welcome back to gb news saturday with me. martin baabnev— news saturday with me. martin baabnev en— news saturday with me. martin bawbnev en venr— news saturday with me. martin daubney on your tv online and of course, on your digital radio. ine— course, on your digital radio. the chancellor— course, on your digital radio. the chancellor says the bank of ingiani-s— the chancellor says the bank of england's latest— the chancellor says the bank of england's latest interest rate rise— england's latest interest rate wiri— england's latest interest rate rise will prove— england's latest interest rate rise will prove challenging for ianiiies— rise will prove challenging for families with— rise will prove challenging for families with mortgages. you een-i— families with mortgages. you een-i sav. — families with mortgages. you een-i sav. ine— families with mortgages. you don't say. the uk's central bank raises— don't say. the uk's central bank raisei rares— don't say. the uk's central bank raised rates again— don't say. the uk's central bank raised rates again this week for

the raised rates again this week for we 12th— raised rates again this week for we izin tiar— raised rates again this week for the 12th flat time— raised rates again this week for the 12th flat time in a row . the the 12th flat time in a row. the base— the 12th flat time in a row. the base rare— the 12th flat time in a row. the base rate nas— the 12th flat time in a row. the base rate has increased by a gaaner— base rate has increased by a gwaner ei— base rate has increased by a gwaner ei a— base rate has increased by a quarter of a percentile point fren— quarter of a percentile point iren size— quarter of a percentile point iren 4.25 ie— quarter of a percentile point from 4.25 to 4.5,— quarter of a percentile point from 4.25 to 4.5, the highest ievei— from 4.25 to 4.5, the highest ievei in— from 4.25 to 4.5, the highest level in 1315— from 4.25 to 4.5, the highest level in 1315 years. jeremy hunt saws— level in 1315 years. jeremy hunt savs ne— level in 1315 years. jeremy hunt savs ne iwiiv— level in 1315 years. jeremy hunt says he fully supports the move to says he fully supports the move re iasbie— says he fully supports the move to tackle soaring— says he fully supports the move to tackle soaring inflation, but aniersianis— to tackle soaring inflation, but understands it— to tackle soaring inflation, but understands it will be disappointing for those with nengages.— disappointing for those with mortgages. well join me now is eseneisi— mortgages. well join me now is economist and— mortgages. well join me now is economist and co—founder of ieegienaiiv.— economist and co—founder of regionally, justin urquhart beware.— regionally, justin urquhart siewan. a— regionally, justin urquhart stewart, a man with more red biases— stewart, a man with more red bases inan— stewart, a man with more red braces than i've— stewart, a man with more red braces than i've had hot sinners.— braces than i've had hot dinners. justin- braces than i've had hot dinners. justin it's always a treasure— dinners. justin it's always a bieasare ie— dinners. justin it's always a pleasure to talk— dinners. justin it's always a pleasure to talk to you. but one ining— pleasure to talk to you. but one ining ii— pleasure to talk to you. but one rning i-i bike.— pleasure to talk to you. but one thing i'd like. explain to me bere— thing i'd like. explain to me here, normally— thing i'd like. explain to me here, normally interest rates siebs— here, normally interest rates srebs ab— here, normally interest rates are steps up quash consumer are steps up to quash consumer spending— are steps up to quash consumer spending in— are steps up to quash consumer spending in boom— are steps up to quash consumer spending in boom times , but spending in boom times, but beebie— spending in boom times, but beebie arena— spending in boom times, but people aren't spending money now besse— people aren't spending money now besse inev-re — people aren't spending money now because they're wasting it. inev-re — because they're wasting it. inev-re -nenevl because they're wasting it.- they're - money because they're spending money because inev— they're spending money because new nave— they're spending money because new nave-en— they're spending money because they have-on on— they're spending money because they have on on exorbitant they have to. on on exorbitant reen— they have to. on on exorbitant ieei sesis— they have to. on on exorbitant food costs and— they have to. on on exorbitant food costs and fuel costs, bearer— food costs and fuel costs, berrei ani— food costs and fuel costs, petrol and now- food costs and fuel costs, petrol and now mortgages. is ibis— petrol and now mortgages. is inis reaiiv— petrol and now mortgages. is this really the _ petrol and now mortgages. is this really the right time to be biking— this really the right time to be nibing ab— this really the right time to be hiking up interest rates once again— hiking up interest rates once again insi— hiking up interest rates once again just then?— hiking up interest rates once again just then? venice again just then? well, the chancellor has a real problem here. and the bank of england's got a real problem. what do you asiaaiiv—

got a real problem. what do you actually address— got a real problem. what do you actually address first,— got a real problem. what do you actually address first, by- actually address first, by gearing— actually address first, by getting ane— actually address first, by getting the economy growing? webb— getting the economy growing? wen-we— getting the economy growing? well, _we .wanti well, of course, we all want to do well, of course, we all want to ie—nanagingl do that, but also managing iniiaiien. — do that, but also managing inflation. and— do that, but also managing inflation. and of- do that, but also managing inflation. ' r: rt.rir. do that, but also managing inflation. r: t inflation. and of course, for a couple of generations, people haven't seen inflation at double digit levels. and you go back to the digit levels. and you go back to we res— digit levels. and you go back to we res saiiv— digit levels. and you go back to we res saiiv i— digit levels. and you go back to the 70s, sadly i can. - r: g c and you go back to the 70s, sadly i can. 'r: the 70s, sadly i can. and asiaaiiv— the 70s, sadly i can. and actually seeing my father with a fixed rate pension or fixed amount in a pension, devaluing by a quarter , 25% in a year and by a quarter, 25% in a year and you can't get that money back. so is vital . you've so inflation is vital. you've got— so inflation is vital. you've get is— so inflation is vital. you've get is bir— so inflation is vital. you've get is bib ii.— so inflation is vital. you've got to hit it, which is a fine statement. but the pain that you just-tor— statement. but the pain that you just-tor beebie-inel just alluded to, people with the sess— just alluded to, people with the sesrlnengages— cost of mortgages going up, trying— cost of mortgages going up,- trwig—mortgages trying to even renew a mortgage, going— trying to even renew a mortgage, goingl- — trying to even renew a mortgage, goingl- ani— trying to even renew a mortgage, goingl- and its— trying to even renew a mortgage, going . g going up. and the problem being is bank england's is the bank of england's been slow, slow. these is the bank of england's been slow, slow . these were slow, very slow. these were energensv— slow, very slow. these were emergency rates— rrig these were emergency rates following the banking— emergency rates following the banking crisis— emergency rates following the banking crisis and we never sianei— banking crisis and we never started raising— banking crisis and we never started raising them again so inab— started raising them again so inai wnen— started raising them again so that when things can do slow newn— that when things can do slow iewn vea— that when things can do slow eewn vew san— that when things can do slow down, you can cut rates, which is guise— down, you can cut rates, which is quite difficult— down, you can cut rates, which is quite difficult to cut rates wnen— is quite difficult to cut rates wnen-neagni. i is quite difficult to cut rates when nought. so is quite difficult to cut rates. when-nought. so do is quite difficult to cut rates- when-nought. so do we when they're at nought. so do we nave— when they're at nought. so do we navelsaiier— when they're at nought. so do we have i suffer the _ when they're at nought. so do we have suffer the pain? : have to suffer the pain? sadly, ves. ani— have to suffer the pain? sadly, ves. ana—its- have to suffer the pain? sadly, yes. and—it's thej yes. and unfortunately it's the weakest— yes. and unfortunately it's the weabesi in— gilt? and unfortunately it's the weakest in society. those who are suffering inflation for bafic are suffering inflation for basic foodstuffs and things like that and so we go through that pain. it's easy, glib to say so, bai— pain. it's easy, glib to say so, bar awiai— pain. it's easy, glib to say so, but awful for— pain. it's easy, glib to say so, but awful for them. - " it's easy, glib to say so, but awful for them. g: but awful for them. the good

news though, inflation is news is, though, inflation is coming down. we've all got different rates of inflation. depending age and depending on your age and behaviour and things like that. but like but overall, things like foodstuffs now beginning to foodstuffs are now beginning to see a peak kind of touchwood if you possibly can. but also we can this in america and can see this in america and we're seeing it throughout the eu so thank heaven eu as well. so thank heaven inings—bii- eu as well. so thank heaven. things—bit better, things are looking a bit better, but things are looking a bit better, bar inai-s— things are looking a bit better, but that's-much- things are looking a bit better, but that's much consolation but that's not much consolation if but that's not much consolation ii-iasi— but that's not much consolation ii-iasi seen— but that's not much consolation if-just seen not- but that's not much consolation if just seen not just if you've just seen not just venr— if you've just seen not just vewr nengage— if you've just seen not just your mortgage go but all your mortgage go up, but all inese—as- your mortgage go up, but all those—as well| your mortgage go up, but alli those—as well . your mortgage go up, but all- those_as well . and those power charges as well. and inai-s— those power charges as well. and inai-s igni— those power charges as well. and that's right. and— those power charges as well. and that's right. and just another reason for increasing interest that's right. and just another reaso isor increasing interest that's right. and just another reaso is to increasing interest that's right. and just another reaso is to encourage interest that's right. and just another reaso is to encourage people to rates is to encourage people to wnen— rates is to encourage people to wnen vea— rates is to encourage people to save. when you look at the savings— save. when you look at the savings rates— save. when you look at the savings rates on— save. when you look at the savings rates on offer, they're abseiaieiv— savings rates on offer, they're absolutely pathetic. the big bear— absolutely pathetic. the big four savers are— absolutely pathetic. the big four savers are offering a ieebie— four savers are offering a ieebie .— four savers are offering a ieebie . ei— four savers are offering a feeble . 0.7 to- four savers are offering a feeble . 0.7 to 1.3, nowhere near feeble. 0.7 to 1.3, nowhere near ab.— feeble. 0.7 to 1.3, nowhere near be. its— feeble. 0.7 to 1.3, nowhere near ab. ii-siasi— feeble. 0.7 to 1.3, nowhere near 4.5. it'sjust like— feeble. 0.7 to 1.3, nowhere near 4.5. it's just like petrol. how ii— 4.5. it's just like petrol. how come it kind— 4.5. it's just like petrol. how come it kind of— 4.5. it's just like petrol. how come it kind of rises like a reset— come it kind of rises like a rocket while— come it kind of rises like a rocket while they charge you, bai— rocket while they charge you, bar ii— rocket while they charge you, but it raises— rocket while they charge you, but it raises like— rocket while they charge you, but it raises like a feather wnai— but it raises like a feather wnai inev— but it raises like a feather what they give _ but it raises like a feather what they give you . ri; �*vavri; what they give you. albie. we say what they give you. albie. we saw ves— what they give you. albie. we say yes we— what they give you. albie. we say yes up like a rocket, down like a feather. and they're aiwavs— like a feather. and they're aiwavs verv— c and they're always very reluctant to asiaaiiv— always very reluctant to actually do _ always very reluctant to actually do that. and you see ine— actually do that. and you see we issues— actually do that. and you see the issues that— actually do that. and you see the issues that companies have gen— the issues that companies have gei. inev-ve— the issues that companies have got. they've been— the issues that companies have got. they've been taking advantage— got. they've been taking advantage of— got. they've been taking advantage of this because asiaaiiv—

advantage of this because actually everyone knows about iniiaiien. — actually everyone knows about inflation. they've _ actually everyone knows about inflation. they've got try inflation. they've got to try ani— inflation. they've got to try- ant—inreagn and get some price rises through and get some price rises through and wars— and get some price rises through and that's what— and get some price rises through and that's what they've been ieing. — and that's what they've been eeing. ani— and that's what they've been eeing. ana er— and that's what they've been doing. ' r: rt.rir. c c. r:ri; doing. and of course, it's under cover because everybody else is doing it. so you don't really neiise—ie- doing it. so you don't really notice—do if- notice it. well, you do if veere— notice it. well, you do if yew-re in— notice it. well, you do if yew-re in a— notice it. well, you do if you're in a the- notice it. well, you do if you're in a the poor areas of ine— you're in a the poor areas of ine-besaase- you're in a the poor areas of the because things like the country because things like wneiner— the country because things like wneiner ii-s— the country because things like whether it's pasta— the country because things like whether it's pasta or basic foodstuffs, _ whether it's pasta or basic foodstuffs, they've been going up - _ foodstuffs, they've been going be . sene— foodstuffs, they've been going up . some figures- foodstuffs, they've been going up . �*" g. foodstuffs, they've been going up . �*" cut. ”cit? “er: up. some figures we've had sometimes doubling , but it's sometimes doubling, but it's improving and so hopefully in a few months time you won't see rates being cut dramatically. but hopefully you're goingyto but hopefully you're going to san— but hopefully you're going to sian-iiiiie— but hopefully you're going to start-little bit- but hopefully you're going to start little bit more start seeing a little bit more grewin— start seeing a little bit more grewrn sening— start seeing a little bit more growth coming through. and iniiaiien— growth coming through. and- inflation—don't inflation coming down. but don't let inflation coming down. but don't be as— inflation coming down. but don't be as raw— inflation coming down. but don't let us talk ourselves doom let us talk ourselves into doom ani— let us talk ourselves into doom and disaster— let us talk ourselves into doom and disaster because the growth figures— and disaster because the growth figures-nai— and disaster because the growth figures-had this- and disaster because the growth figures had this week are figures we've had this week are insi— figures we've had this week are inst-bignes— figures we've had this week are inst-figures .- figures we've had this week are just-figures . the- just rounding figures. the beiien— just rounding figures. the beaten-we- just rounding figures. the bottom we haven't got bottom line is we haven't got any— bottom line is we haven't got any reab— bottom line is we haven't got any real growth— bottom line is we haven't got any real growth and it's going to any real growth and it's going be take— any real growth and it's going be babe-inab- any real growth and it's going to take _that to- any real growth and it's going to take that to come to take time for that to come bask.— to take time for that to come bask-iees- to take time for that to comei back.-does-it's back. and what does it? it's seniiiense— back. and what does it? it's confidence that's— back. and what does it? it's confidence that's what we want the government to do, to give us confidence, whether it's saving, investing uk investing, not just uk investors, around the world. investors, but around the world. they want to invest britain , they want to invest in britain, nake— they want to invest in britain, make-nake- they want to invest in britain, make-make ii- they want to invest in britain, make make it more make it easier, make it more straightforward _ make it easier, make it more straightforward . ' r: c "y straightforward. and it's funny, justin, mentioned the justin, you mentioned the banking crisis a reason we're

banking crisis as a reason we're in this mess. but another reason a lot of right now would a lot of people right now would feel really feel like they're not really living they're living their existing they're spending so money on food , spending so much money on food, on, on their utilities and on, on, on their utilities and the luxuries like holidays, buying new cars are out of the window. how much of this is also down to the fact that the government trashed the economy with lockdowns? £410 billion spent, leaving us £2 trillion in debt as a nation ? is the average debt as a nation? is the average person out there now picking up the tab from government disaster ? say, i'll pick you up the tab besse— 7 say, i'll pick you up the tab because everything is costs more ani— because everything is costs more and insi— because everything is costs more and iasi sain— because everything is costs more and just said it's— because everything is costs more and just said it's those are the weakest— and just said it's those are the weakest societies— and just said it's those are the weakest societies that are suffering— weakest societies that are suffering most— weakest societies that are suffering most those at the top enei. — suffering most those at the top enei. war.— suffering most those at the top end. well, obviously- suffering most those at the top end. �*er�*ricc c’3iii211i: end. well, obviously there's a certain amount of pain there, but a matter of not but it's not a matter of not being pay mortgage being able to pay the mortgage and you know, they're and the food. you know, they're in position. in a perfectly good position. however for what we try and however for what we can try and do make sure just do is make sure not just inflation but get inflation coming down, but get people to be more savvy about their finances. you've got inings— their finances. you've got inings bike— their finances. you've got things like credit- . �*" t you've got things like credit unions, one of things like credit unions, one ei-eii— things like credit unions, one of-old fashioned,- things like credit unions, one of old fashioned, but you of the old fashioned, but you san—inere- of the old fashioned, but you can _there at. of the old fashioned, but you can _there at a of the old fashioned, but you- can _there at a much can borrow money there at a much iewer— can borrow money there at a much even. — can borrow money there at a much even. ani— can borrow money there at a much lower-. and-many- can borrow money there at a muchi lower-. and-many ways lower cost. and so in many ways , far more friendlier than usual

bank, have to and deal bank, you have to try and deal with, also more financial with, but also more financial planning across the family. it's very difficult if you're insi— it's very difficult if you're rwsi navbe— it's very difficult if you're just maybe left university or veere— just maybe left university or yew-re sraning— just maybe left university or you're starting a— just maybe left university or you're starting a job, maybe youre— you're starting a job, maybe yew-re engaged— you're starting a job, maybe yew-re engagei .— you're starting a job, maybe you're engaged , married, may you're engaged, married, may nave— you're engaged, married, may nave bias— you're engaged, married, may have kids and— you're engaged, married, may have kids and all— you're engaged, married, may have kids and all those price ises— have kids and all those price geing— have kids and all those price geing ab.— have kids and all those price rises going up. but no one's rebi— rises going up. but no one's reii vea— rises going up. but no one's told you what— rises going up. but no one's told you what you can be doing. ani— told you what you can be doing. and ine— told you what you can be doing. and the answer— told you what you can be doing. and the answer is— told you what you can be doing. and the answer is actually what we esee— and the answer is actually what we used ie— and the answer is actually what we used be be— and the answer is actually what we used to do many years ago. cowb— we used to do many years ago. sovib easing— we used to do many years ago. covid dating family, covid dating the family, grandparents— covid dating the family, grandparents and others so that sesis— grandparents and others so that sesis-snarei— grandparents and others so that sesis-snarei .— grandparents and others so that costs shared , savings are costs are shared, savings are snares.— costs are shared, savings are snarei. ier— costs are shared, savings are shared. let the— costs are shared, savings are shared. let the weakest in the family— shared. let the weakest in the ianiiv be— shared. let the weakest in the family be able— shared. let the weakest in the family be able to— shared. let the weakest in the family be able to get a get a nengage— family be able to get a get a mortgage coming through . we've mortgage coming through. we've never-done this— mortgage coming through. we've never-done this in- mortgage coming through. we've never done this in this never really done this in this sentry.— never really done this in this seanirvlien-i— never really done this in this country. don't teach finance. country. we don't teach finance. we - mathematics. - country. we don't teach finance. we mathematics. well, we teach mathematics. well, ebaw— we teach mathematics. well, okays inai-s— we teach mathematics. well, okay, that's fine. _ we teach mathematics. well, okay, that's fine. but we really reasn— okay, that's fine. but we really reasn beebie— okay, that's fine. but we really reasn beebie is— okay, that's fine. but we really teach people is how much money do teach people is how much money rte-a— teach people is how much money ie-a bensien— teach people is how much money do-a pension pot?- teach people is how much money do a pension pot? how do i need in a pension pot? how nasn— do i need in a pension pot? how nasn-ie— do i need in a pension pot? how nasn-ie nake- do i need in a pension pot? how much-to make to- do i need in a pension pot? how much to make to make much do i need to make to make sure—is-iel sure that my family is going to be-e— sure that my family is going to bet ieasn— sure that my family is going to be-? teach people- sure that my family is going to be ? teach people that be safe? teach people that beiere— be safe? teach people that beiere-ge— be safe? teach people that beiere-ge ie- be safe? teach people that before go to university or before they go to university or to before they go to university or ie-iirsi— before they go to university or ie-iirsi ieb. — before they go to university or to-first job. i'm- before they go to university or to first job. i'm running before they go to university or to expensive ob. i'm running before they go to university or to expensive brazier running before they go to university or to expensive brazier of�*ining before they go to university or to expensive brazier of debt . up expensive brazier of debt. weir.— up expensive brazier of debt. well, expensive. _ up expensive brazier of debt. well, expensive. it's expensive senbarei— well, expensive. it's expensive senbarei witn— well, expensive. it's expensive compared with the rate of iniiaiien. — compared with the rate of inflation. and _ compared with the rate of inflation. and i'm afraid it's nei— inflation. and i'm afraid it's nei ine— inflation. and i'm afraid it's not the banks— inflation. and i'm afraid it's not the banks are not very good at gassing— not the banks are not very good at bassing en— not the banks are not very good at passing on that— not the banks are not very good at passing on that value very, verv— at passing on that value very, very siewiv. — at passing on that value very, very slowly. back— at passing on that value very, very slowly. back to the falling

ieainer. — very slowly. back to the falling ieainer. okay.— very slowly. back to the falling feather. okay, justin,- very slowly. back to the falling feather. " r: c feather. okay, justin, i'd like to on a note of optimism. if to end on a note of optimism. if i could, maybe you could i if i could, maybe you could swap braces for swap your red braces for a crystal we've had 12 crystal ball. we've had 12 straight rises . will it be straight rate rises. will it be unlucky for some 13 or you've mentioned inflation is falling . mentioned inflation is falling. can we look to a future of declining interest rates again ? declining interest rates again? for now, you will be seeing ibis.— for now, you will be seeing ibis. we— for now, you will be seeing this. no one's— for now, you will be seeing this. no one's going to say bresiseiv— this. no one's going to say precisely when— this. no one's going to say precisely when ,- this. no one's going to say precisely when , but the cycle precisely when, but the cycle nas— precisely when, but the cycle nas snangei. — precisely when, but the cycle has changed. we— precisely when, but the cycle has changed. we will start seeing— has changed. we will start seeing inflation coming down, rares— seeing inflation coming down, rates remaining— seeing inflation coming down, rates remaining static, and then sianing— rates remaining static, and then sianing ie— rates remaining static, and then starting to fall.— rates remaining static, and then starting to fall. that will be a geei— starting to fall. that will be a geea sign. — starting to fall. that will be a geea sign. bew— starting to fall. that will be a good sign. now, the good news abse— good sign. now, the good news aise is— good sign. now, the good news aise is weve— good sign. now, the good news also is we've been— good sign. now, the good news also is we've been setting up a lot also is we've been setting up a bet mere— also is we've been setting up a lot more smaller— also is we've been setting up a lot more smaller companies, wnisn— lot more smaller companies, wnisn vea— lot more smaller companies, which you think— lot more smaller companies, which you think about the confidence— which you think about the confidence at the confidence in the economy at the rnerneni—- confidence in the economy at the moment_. where. confidence in the economy at the. moment_. where are moment is remarkable. where are inese—weib- moment is remarkable. where are those _well, they're. those companies? well, they're iesn —reaiivl tech companies. we're really geei— tech companies. we're really geeiliesn— tech companies. we're really good .tech _all- tech companies. we're really. good .tech _all those good at tech nology. all those invesineni— good at tech nology. all those investment hubs,— good at tech nology. all those investment hubs, you know, siiisen— investment hubs, you know, silicon roundabout, silicon serge.— silicon roundabout, silicon serge. ren— silicon roundabout, silicon gorge, fen glen, make it up what you gorge, fen glen, make it up what vea bike— gorge, fen glen, make it up what vea iibe .— gorge, fen glen, make it up what vew iibe . ani— gorge, fen glen, make it up what you like . and that's— gorge, fen glen, make it up what you like . and that's we you like. and that's why we ieveiebei— you like. and that's why we developed businesses . but developed these businesses. but anierianaieiw— unfortunately, then the americans— unfortunately, then the americans quite sensibly come aieng— americans quite sensibly come aieng ani— americans quite sensibly come along and-them- americans quite sensibly come along and them off to along and ship them off to siiisen— along and ship them off to silicon—need. along and ship them off to silicon _ need to i along and ship them off to. silicon—need to be silicon valley. we need to be abbe— silicon valley. we need to be abielnave— silicon valley. we need to be able . have not _ silicon valley. we need to be able have not government able to have not government investment— able to have not government invesineni .— able to have not government investment , government's useless investment, government's useless investing.— investment, government's useless investing-beepe— investment, government's useless investing, people the tax investing, give people the tax breaks—

investing, give people the tax breaks ie— investing, give people the tax breaks be be— investing, give people the tax breaks to be investing in these busiesses— breaks to be investing in these businesses, give— breaks to be investing in these businesses, give people rewards for businesses, give people rewards ier asiuaiiv— businesses, give people rewards for actually taking the risk to run-business— for actually taking the risk to run-business so- for actually taking the risk to run business so when run the business so that when inev— run the business so that when inev-ie— run the business so that when inev-ie nave- run the business so that when inev-ie nave a- run the business so that when they do have a sensible they actually do have a sensible busines— they actually do have a sensible business-are— they actually do have a sensible business,-are-to- business, they are able to benefit— business, they are able to benefit from _ business, they are able to benefit from cast that benefit from it and cast that «eure— benefit from it and cast that aeuni ine— benefit from it and cast that around the staff— benefit from it and cast that around the staff as well. so bers— around the staff as well. so ieislinings— around the staff as well. so lots-things we- around the staff as well. so lots things we can doing, around the staff as well. so lots i'mthings we can doing, around the staff as well. so lotsi'm afraid we can doing, around the staff as well. so lotsi'm afraid at can doing, around the staff as well. so lotsi'm afraid at thei doing, around the staff as well. so lotsi'm afraid at the moment,, but i'm afraid at the moment, irignrening— but i'm afraid at the moment, frightening people doesn't help at aii. — frightening people doesn't help at all. _justin_ frightening people doesn't help at all. _justin urquhart. at all. okay. justin urquhart smith stewart, thank you for your think you're your input. i think you're right. we need a bit more carrot, bit less stick. thank right. we need a bit more carrrfor bit less stick. thank right. we need a bit more carrrforjoiningss stick. thank right. we need a bit more carrrforjoiningss stoday'hank right. we need a bit more carrrfor joiningss stoday on �*ik right. we need a bit more carrrforjoiningss stoday on gb you for joining us today on gb news. been getting you for joining us today on gb netouch been getting you for joining us today on gb netouch big been getting you for joining us today on gb netouch big topic n getting you for joining us today on gb netouch big topic ofjetting you for joining us today on gb netouch big topic of the ng in touch on a big topic of the day keir starmers day and that is keir starmers pledge to be bigger and bolder than tony blair. first comment today is from nicholas, who says new labour ultimately failed and lost the election. does this suggest that starmers labour will actually be failure on steroids? bit of a cynical take on it there. nicholas and next point from john. he says the migration figure prediction is an unbelievable figure. people voted to brexit take back control of our borders. if labour gets in which party is going to stick up for brexit voters and see through the democratic vote of brexit? a lot

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britain is. a welcome back. and gearing— britain is. a welcome back. and we're getting ever— " ' welcome back. and we're getting ever closer to the all we're getting ever closer to the ab singing.— we're getting ever closer to the ab angrng, abi— we're getting ever closer to the all singing, all dancing and rebates— all singing, all dancing and rebates abi— all singing, all dancing and perhaps all controversial this year— perhaps all controversial this year .— perhaps all controversial this year . eurovision— perhaps all controversial this year. eurovision song perhaps all controversial this year . eurovision song contest year. eurovision song contest binar— year. eurovision song contest rinai. ine— year. eurovision song contest final. the uk's— year. eurovision song contest final. the uk's hosting this year— final. the uk's hosting this year en— final. the uk's hosting this year on behalf— final. the uk's hosting this year on behalf of last year's winners, ukraine. let's go live to winners, ukraine. let's go live re iiverbeei— winners, ukraine. let's go live to liverpool now,— winners, ukraine. let's go live to liverpool now, where the 67th iurevisien— to liverpool now, where the 67th eurovision will— to liverpool now, where the 67th eurovision will be— to liverpool now, where the 67th eurovision will be taking place. ani— eurovision will be taking place. and reining— eurovision will be taking place. and reining ne— eurovision will be taking place. and joining me from liverpool is presenter— and joining me from liverpool is bresenier ani— and joining me from liverpool is presenter and showbiz commentator ellie phillips. webbe— commentator ellie phillips. hello there,— commentator ellie phillips. hello there, ellie . wonderful hello there, ellie. wonderful weainer. — hello there, ellie. wonderful weainer. in— hello there, ellie. wonderful weather. i'm assuming things are reasning— weather. i'm assuming things are reasning rever— weather. i'm assuming things are reaching fever pitch there in iiverbeei— reaching fever pitch there in iiverbeei .— reaching fever pitch there in liverpool . yeah,— reaching fever pitch there in liverpool . yeah, i've got to say liverpool. yeah, i've got to say ineugn— liverpool. yeah, i've got to say ineugn. guys.— liverpool. yeah, i've got to say though, guys, hello, london. ibis— though, guys, hello, london. ibis is— though, guys, hello, london. this is liverpool— though, guys, hello, london. this is liverpool calling- though, guys, hello, london. this is liverpool calling and i can't wait to hear that tonight as well. we don't actually know where the person who's going to be reading out our results. catherine tate, where she is going to the country yet going to be in the country yet that hasn't been announced. i'm hoping actually it's here in liverpool she liverpool because i think she made you know? hi, made that funny, you know? hi, liverpool, it's liverpool calling, see liverpool, it's liverpool calthat see liverpool, it's liverpool calthat but see liverpool, it's liverpool calthat but yeah, see liverpool, it's liverpool calthat but yeah, at see liverpool, it's liverpool calthat but yeah, at thee on that one. but yeah, at the moment the sun is shining. everyone spirits. everyone is in great spirits. you me you can probably see behind me people are in full costumes, whether representing whether they're representing someone from their country who's

going be performing on stage going to be performing on stage in costume or they're in an iconic costume or they're draped their draped in the flags of their country. so yeah, it's absolutely— country. so yeah, it's- absolutely-here today absolutely incredible here today . vau— absolutely incredible here today . you knew.— absolutely incredible here today . you know, it— absolutely incredible here today . you know, it was— absolutely incredible here today . you know, it was an- absolutely incredible here today air“ �* c e e“ 6an absolutely incredible here today . you know, it was an idea of the favourites, the runners and the favourites, the runners and the . i understand the riders. i understand that our may muller is not on our entry may muller is not on the favourites list , but hang the favourites list, but hang on, thought eurovision is on, i thought eurovision is about politics. we stepped in and saved ukraine so we'd expect at few sympathy votes at least a few sympathy votes for wouldn't . we for that gesture, wouldn't. we well, yeah. i think with mae riuiier— well, yeah. i think with mae riuiier sne— well, yeah. i think with mae muller she started off people saying— muller she started off people saving. on.— muller she started off people saying. on. sne— muller she started off people saying, oh, she might be in top ben.— saying, oh, she might be in top ten i— saying, oh, she might be in top ten i ininb— saying, oh, she might be in top ten. i think that— saying, oh, she might be in top ten. i think that might be a bribe— ten. i think that might be a iiiiie bir— ten. i think that might be a little bit hopeful. now her performance _ little bit hopeful. now her performance great, but performance is great, but senbarei— performance is great, but senbarei ie— performance is great, but compared to some of the other bererinanses— compared to some of the other performances, which are really ebenenses— performances, which are really ebenenses in— performances, which are really experiences, i'm not sure that bers— experiences, i'm not sure that neis-ie— experiences, i'm not sure that neis-re inab- experiences, i'm not sure that hers to that, although hers lives up to that, although it hers lives up to that, although ii—sbe- hers lives up to that, although ii—sbe basl hers lives up to that, although. ii—sbe bas gei it is a great track. she has got aiei— it is a great track. she has got a of support, so hopefully a lot of support, so hopefully she'll it will she'll do okay. i doubt it will win— she'll do okay. i doubt it will win in— she'll do okay. i doubt it will win in reins— she'll do okay. i doubt it will win in terms of— she'll do okay. i doubt it will win in terms of the- cc r:rir i doubt it will win in terms of the ones who nigni— win in terms of the ones who might-everyone's- win in terms of the ones who might everyone's saying might win, everyone's saying sweeten— might win, everyone's saying sweden and sweden are the front runners and inev-ve— sweden are the front runners and rnev-ve gei— sweden are the front runners and rnev-ve gei a— sweden are the front runners and they've got a track— sweden are the front runners and they've got a track called iaiiee— they've got a track called tattoo - singer- tattoo and a singer called iereen— tattoo and a singer called iereenlwne— tattoo and a singer called loreen who previously won loreen, who previously won in seiz— loreen, who previously won in zeiz. sne-s— loreen, who previously won in 2012. she's incredible . her 2012. she's incredible. her vesasi— 2012. she's incredible. her vocals were— 2012. she's incredible. her vocals were a— 2012. she's incredible. her vocals were a little bit patchy in .rehearsal_ vocals were a little bit patchy in .rehearsal last- vocals were a little bit patchy in rehearsal last night, in the rehearsal last night, so we-ii— in the rehearsal last night, so weir-ie— in the rehearsal last night, so we'll-to-that. in the rehearsal last night, so. we'll-to-that goes. we'll have to see how that goes. ibis—ine— we'll have to see how that goes. ibis—ine grani- we'll have to see how that goes. this the grand final this evening in the grand filial this evening in the grand final --actuallyr — this evening in the grand final

.-actually,-are- . but actually, finland are sening— . but actually, finland are seninglin— . but actually, finland are coming-in the- . but actually, finland are coming in the ranks. they're coming up in the ranks. they're insreiibie— coming up in the ranks. they're incredible career— coming up in the ranks. they're incredible career of performing for incredible career of performing ier riniani— incredible career of performing for finland with— incredible career of performing for finland with a called for finland with a song called sna— for finland with a song called sna-sna.— for finland with a song called sna-sna. ani— for finland with a song called cha-cha. and i've- for finland with a song called cha cha. and i've literally cha cha cha. and i've literally seen-waking- cha cha cha. and i've literally. seen _walking-here seen people walking around here ieiav— seen people walking around here today-movement- seen people walking around here today movement like today doing the movement like ibis—nel this, which represents how he neveslsiage. — this, which represents how he moves stage. absolutely moves on stage. it's absolutely isenis— moves on stage. it's absolutely isenis .— moves on stage. it's absolutely isenis . ani— moves on stage. it's absolutely iconic . and another one you need iconic. and another one you need to iconic. and another one you need ie-ier— iconic. and another one you need ie-ier is— iconic. and another one you need ie-ier is a— iconic. and another one you need ie-ier is a gin- to watch out for is a girl saiiei— to watch out for is a girl called niya._ to watch out for is a girl called niya.-is- to watch out for is a girl called niya. is from israel called niya. she is from israel ani— called niya. she is from israel ant-is— called niya. she is from israel ant-is an— called niya. she is from israel and is an influencer. and and she is an influencer. and in— and she is an influencer. and in nei— and she is an influencer. and in nei tuss— and she is an influencer. and i'm not just saying, oh, she's got— i'm not just saying, oh, she's gei a— i'm not just saying, oh, she's gei a few— i'm not just saying, oh, she's got a few hundred thousand ieiiewers— got a few hundred thousand followers. - got - got a few hundred thousand followers. got millions of followers. she's got millions of ieiiewers— followers. she's got millions of ieiiewers .— followers. she's got millions of followers . she's— followers. she's got millions of followers . she's performing followers. she's performing a reaiiv— followers. she's performing a reaiiv-irasb— followers. she's performing a really track, actually really good track, actually saiiei— really good track, actually called unicorn.- really good track, actually called unicorn. again really saisbv— called unicorn. again really saisnv. se— called unicorn. again really saisnv. se i— called unicorn. again really catchy. so i think she's another ie— catchy. so i think she's another re waisn— catchy. so i think she's another one to watch out— catchy. so i think she's another one to watch out for and what eveenerv— one to watch out for and what eveenerv is— one to watch out for and what everyone is talking about, which i everyone is talking about, which i san-i— everyone is talking about, which i san-i nei— everyone is talking about, which i can't not mention— everyone is talking about, which i can't not mention , is austria i can't not mention, is austria wra— i can't not mention, is austria wiin ria— i can't not mention, is austria wiin iia ani— i can't not mention, is austria with tia and celine . they've got with tia and celine. they've got airasb— with tia and celine. they've got a track called— with tia and celine. they've got a track called who— with tia and celine. they've got a track called who the hell is iigare — a track called who the hell is iigare -bave- a track called who the hell is edgar? _have to- a track called who the hell is edgar? _have to sayl a track called who the hell is- edgar? _have to say like edgar? and you have to say like that because that's what they say it's good fun. say on stage. it's good fun. it's a little bit bonkers, but that's all that's what eurovision is all about. people that's what eurovision is all about . people making about the about. people making about the fact about. people making about the iasi inab— about. people making about the fact that president— people making about the fact that president zelenskyy iue — fact that president zelenskyy iue re — fact that president zelenskyy was due to what— fact that president zelenskyy was due to what he wanted to speak— was due to what he wanted to speak aneai— was due to what he wanted to speak ahead of— was due to what he wanted to speak ahead of the thing tonight and ne— speak ahead of the thing tonight and be was— speak ahead of the thing tonight and he was blocked from doing inan— and he was blocked from doing was new— and he was blocked from doing was new i— and he was blocked from doing that. now i think— and he was blocked from doing that. now i think that's the rigni— that. now i think that's the rignr rning— that. now i think that's the rignr rning ie— that. now i think that's the right thing to do because surely

if right thing to do because surely ii ne— right thing to do because surely ii ne nai— right thing to do because surely if he had been— right thing to do because surely if he had been on— right thing to do because surely if he had been on stage, people weuii— if he had been on stage, people weuii nave— if he had been on stage, people would have been— if he had been on stage, people would have been more inclined to we— would have been more inclined to veielubraine.— would have been more inclined to vote ukraine. always vote for ukraine. we've always neari— vote for ukraine. we've always heard-eurovision- vote for ukraine. we've always heard eurovision about heard that eurovision is about renaiss— heard that eurovision is about reiiiiss—ine- heard that eurovision is about politics. the right politics. i think it's the right ining. — politics. i think it's the right ining. -agree- politics. i think it's the right. thing. _agree-the thing. do you agree to keep the beiiiiss— thing. do you agree to keep the beiiiiss-inis— thing. do you agree to keep the politics-this event- politics out of this event ienigni— politics out of this event renigni e— politics out of this event tonight ? yeah- politics out of this event tonight? yeah i do think so. i stink— tonight? yeah i do think so. i ibinb ii-s— tonight? yeah i do think so. i think it's right— tonight? yeah i do think so. i think it's right that- tonight? yeah i do think so. i think it's right that politics can be kept out. i think the only way they could have done it and may even do it because i know there's ongoing discussions is message is potentially if his message is just hi guys calling from just simply hi guys calling from ukraine, really sorry we can't be hosting this year. thank be hosting it this year. thank you so much for liverpool for stepping up. you've done a wonderful job. thank you for celebrating our culture and our heritage. of our heritage. we're so proud of our were— heritage. we're so proud of our winners. hope you're- heritage. we're so proud of our winners. hope you're all- heritage. we're so proud of our winners. hope you're all having the best night there. think a the best night there. i think a message go down message like that would go down really, think really, really well, but i think coming oh, you really, really well, but i think comin don't oh, you really, really well, but i think comin don't forget oh, you really, really well, but i think comin don't forget abouth, you know, don't forget about the war, not war, that's actually not what tonight is about. tonight is all abeui— tonight is about. tonight is all abeui uniting— tonight is about. tonight is all about uniting people- g tonight is all about uniting people with music tren— about uniting people with music ben—went.- about uniting people with music from world, feeling from around the world, feeling insiusive. — from around the world, feeling insiusive.-.- from around the world, feeling inclusive. , celebrating inclusive. you know, celebrating our differences— inclusive. you know, celebrating our differences and joy, nabbiness— our differences and joy, happiness and having a bit of iigni— happiness and having a bit of iigni reiiei— happiness and having a bit of light relief in— happiness and having a bit of light relief in what actually a bit-turbulent— light relief in what actually a bit-turbulent-for. bit of a turbulent time for eveenerv— bit of a turbulent time for everyone .the- bit of a turbulent time for everyone the moment. everyone at the moment. so, yeah— everyone at the moment. so, veab. i— everyone at the moment. so, yeahr i siisb— everyone at the moment. so, yeah, i stick to— everyone at the moment. so, yeah, i stick to the- everyone at the moment. so, yeah, i stick to the fun. let's stick to the crazy. yeah it has always been about politics. i

mean, we've seen like a long and risn— mean, we've seen like a long and risn neriiage— mean, we've seen like a long and risn neriiage .— mean, we've seen like a long and risn neriiage . a— mean, we've seen like a long and rich heritage , a glorious rich heritage, a glorious neriiage— rich heritage, a glorious heritage in— rich heritage, a glorious heritage in a— rich heritage, a glorious heritage in a way of people veiing— heritage in a way of people veiing ier— heritage in a way of people voting for their— heritage in a way of people voting for their neighbours, esbesiaiiv— voting for their neighbours, esbesiaiiv in— voting for their neighbours, especially in the eastern bloc. do especially in the eastern bloc. be veu— especially in the eastern bloc. be veu ininb— especially in the eastern bloc. do you think this— especially in the eastern bloc. do you think this will be the wear— do you think this will be the year-beebie— do you think this will be the year people finally forgive year when people finally forgive briiain— year when people finally forgive briiain ier— year when people finally forgive britain for brexit— year when people finally forgive britain for brexit in the eurovision?— britain for brexit in the eurovision? haven't. britain for brexit in the eurthave n? haven't. britain for brexit in the eurthave actually haven't. britain for brexit in the eurthave actually steppedaven't. britain for brexit in the eurthave actually stepped invn't. we have actually stepped in and saves— we have actually stepped in and saved ukraine— we have actually stepped in and saved ukraine when they're at inev— saved ukraine when they're at war, they cannot— saved ukraine when they're at war, they cannot host the event. of war, they cannot host the event. or — war, they cannot host the event. or se— war, they cannot host the event. of course. so liverpool has vaiianiiv— of course. so liverpool has vaiianiiv-ub.- of course. so liverpool has valiantly up. surely valiantly stepped up. surely inab— valiantly stepped up. surely that-should- valiantly stepped up. surely that-should get. valiantly stepped up. surely that should get a valiantly stepped up. surely- that-should get a few that means we should get a few veies— that means we should get a few veies en— that means we should get a few votes on our side— that means we should get a few votes on our side because of inab— votes on our side because of bat gesture— votes on our side because of bat gesrure .— votes on our side because of that gesture . _ votes on our side because of that gesture . grirev" that gesture. possibly, yeah, again. but then that's bringing politics into it and that's bringing kind of what's happened and why here. i don't and why we're here. i don't think should get sympathy think we should get sympathy votes. i really think that may if those she's if she gets those votes, she's going to get them on her talent. and a very, very talented and she is a very, very talented lady. think, we might lady. so i think, yeah, we might get extra votes here and get a few extra votes here and there. think we're there. i don't think we're we're not point. not going to get nil point. i really . that's the main really don't. that's the main ibing— really don't. that's the main ibing-ininb— really don't. that's the main thing. _think the- ”rirevccg r:rir c that's the main thing. think the thing thing. and i think the thing inai-s— thing. and i think the thing that's-come- thing. and i think the thing. that's _come _this that's really come out of this years— that's really come out of this wears—is- that's really come out of this wears—is ii-s- that's really come out of this year's-is it's cooli year's eurovision is it's cool again— year's eurovision is it's cool again-san— year's eurovision is it's cool again sam ryder winning again like sam ryder winning basi— again like sam ryder winning iasi wear— again like sam ryder winning iasr year was— again like sam ryder winning last year was wow where last year was like, wow where iii—sening- did we, you know, coming second but did we, you know, coming second bur—ninesl but winning for us in our minds , but winning for us in our minds . inab— but winning for us in our minds . bar was— but winning for us in our minds , that was like,— but winning for us in our minds , that was like, wow, that's a big—anu-

, that was like, wow, that's a big—ana new- , that was like, wow, that's a big—and now it. , that was like, wow, that's a. big—and now it feels big moment. and now it feels cool you know, speaking cool again. you know, speaking to people here, celebrities attending. and i'm like, would to people here, celebrities atte gong. and i'm like, would to people here, celebrities atte gong. eurovision?;e, would to people here, celebrities atte gong. eurovision? , would to people here, celebrities atte gong. eurovision? andild to people here, celebrities atte gong. eurovision? and they you go for eurovision? and they bina— you go for eurovision? and they kind at— you go for eurovision? and they kind of going, do you know what? maybe they reminded maybe and i think they reminded him how successful him of, you know, how successful artists have come through it. ceune artists have come through it. celine huge acts celine dion, abba, huge acts have on from eurovision to have gone on from eurovision to really build a worldwide wide fan base off the back of it. and so people are seeing it in a whole new light, think whole new light, and i think that's brilliant. so that that's brilliant. and so that hopefully, years hopefully, you know, in years to come can all celebrate on come we can all celebrate on this kind of scale, fun, this kind of scale, have fun, get on, wave the get the sequins on, wave the flags and have a great with flags and have a great time with friends and family. okay. eddie. so if people want to watch this friends and family. okay. eddie. so tv, eople want to watch this friends and family. okay. eddie. so tv, eople time: to watch this friends and family. okay. eddie. so tv, eople time: to wat

prepared, get your party on. it is going to be night to is going to be a night to remember. and who's hosting ienigni-s— remember. and who's hosting tonight's event— remember. and who's hosting tonight's event on— ”riwrit“ and who's hosting tonight's event on tv. ”rit“rit“ and who's hosting tonight's event on tv. i was breugni— tonight's event on tv. i was breugnr ub— tonight's event on tv. i was breugnr up in— tonight's event on tv. i was brought up in the era where it was—enlieasil brought up in the era where it. was—onlleast one was terry wogan on at least one berrie— was terry wogan on at least one bottle-baileys. _ was terry wogan on at least one bottle-baileys. is— was terry wogan on at least one bottle-baileys. is it- was terry wogan on at least one bottle baileys. is it graham bottle of baileys. is it graham wenen— bottle of baileys. is it graham wenen again— bottle of baileys. is it graham wenen again e— bottle of baileys. is it graham norton again ? yeah. so it's norton again? yeah. so it's eranan— norton again? yeah. so it's graham norton— norton again? yeah. so it's graham norton tonight with wannab— graham norton tonight with hannah waddingham. “rig ”vii: graham norton tonight with hannah waddingham. “rig ”c: c hannah waddingham. they're like the hannah waddingham. they're like its bina— hannah waddingham. they're like its kind at— hannah waddingham. they're like the kind of main two from what we saw in rehearsals last night as well. but dixon in as well. but alesha dixon is in there well. um, and the there as well. um, and the ubrainian— there as well. um, and the ukrainian presenter- “ritri um, and the ukrainian presenter as well, runa— ukrainian presenter as well, julia sanina. _ ukrainian presenter as well, julia sanina. so- ukrainian presenter as well, julia sanina. c t“,vs< ukrainian presenter as well, julia sanina. c julia sanina. so it is a mix of all of them with i guess , graham all of them with i guess, graham anchoring most of it. but also you've got to remember that hannah waddingham , she speaks hannah waddingham, she speaks french, will doing all french, so she will be doing all the when they speak the translations when they speak abroad and the numbers come in. so it's kind of working as a bit of a duo act with that one. and graham will dashing backstage of a duo act with that one. and grc'well will dashing backstage of a duo act with that one. and grc'well to ll dashing backstage of a duo act with that one. and grc'well to ll commentary:kstage of a duo act with that one. and grc'well to ll commentary boxige of a duo act with that one. and grc'well to ll commentary box to as well to the commentary box to do as well do some commentary as well because . i mean, because we love that. i mean, that's thing, might that's the thing, you might not be tonight arena in be here tonight in the arena in liverpool, of be here tonight in the arena in live really, of be here tonight in the arena in live really, really of be here tonight in the arena in live really, really good of be here tonight in the arena in live really, really good things the really, really good things that about eurovision is that we love about eurovision is here graham north and take here in graham north and take the mic little bit, adding his the mic a little bit, adding his little kind of little quips in and that kind of rounds the experience and

rounds out the experience and that's what it from that's what takes it from possibly a naff to possibly being a bit naff to being really great fun watching. okay eddie phillips, you've senainiv— okay eddie phillips, you've certainly received- eddie phillips, you've certainly received everyone's exsiieneni— certainly received everyone's exsiieneni ub— certainly received everyone's excitement up there live from iiverbeei— excitement up there live from liverpool looking glorious. hope you-a— liverpool looking glorious. hope veu-a-nigni- liverpool looking glorious. hope veu-a-nigni ani- liverpool looking glorious. hope you-a-night and if. liverpool looking glorious. hope you a night and if i you have a good night and if i were-ii— you have a good night and if i were-ii gei— you have a good night and if i were-i'd get-the- were you, i'd get on the prosecco-not- were you, i'd get on the- prosecco - not. coffee. prosecco and not the coffee. wal— prosecco and not the coffee. war, bask— prosecco and not the coffee. well, back-your- prosecco and not the coffee. well, back your views now. well, back to your views now. veuve — well, back to your views now. veu-ve-geiiing- well, back to your views now. you've getting touch you've been getting in touch inreugneui— you've been getting in touch throughout-and. you've been getting in touch throughout and our you've been getting in touch- throughout-and our big throughout the show and our big rebis— throughout the show and our big seeis—inab- throughout the show and our big rebis—inai is- topic of the day, and that is, of course, the _ topic of the day, and that is, of course, the betrayal of the beniire— of course, the betrayal of the. bonfire—remember, bonfire of eu laws. remember, we promised— bonfire of eu laws. remember, we promised 4800— bonfire of eu laws. remember, we promised 4800 to— bonfire of eu laws. remember, we promised 4800 to go , and that's promised 4800 to go, and that's been— promised 4800 to go, and that's been watered— promised 4800 to go, and that's been watered down to a feeble eoo. — been watered down to a feeble 600. we— been watered down to a feeble 600. we had— been watered down to a feeble 600. we had a— been watered down to a feeble 600. we had a fantastic debate earner— 600. we had a fantastic debate earner en— 600. we had a fantastic debate earlier on in— 600. we had a fantastic debate earlier on in the— 600. we had a fantastic debate earlier on in the show. catch thee— earlier on in the show. catch that en— earlier on in the show. catch that on youtube— earlier on in the show. catch that on youtube if you can see matthew— that on youtube if you can see matthew stadlen— that on youtube if you can see matthew stadlen and ben habib. it really— matthew stadlen and ben habib. it really kicked— matthew stadlen and ben habib. it really kicked off. it's really— it really kicked off. it's really getting people going, including— really getting people going, including-.- really getting people going, including , who sent really getting people going,- including-, who sent in including charlotte, who sent in this including charlotte, who sent in the point— including charlotte, who sent in this point here.— including charlotte, who sent in this point here. i— including charlotte, who sent in this point here. i did vote to leave— this point here. i did vote to leave me— this point here. i did vote to leave the eu,— this point here. i did vote to leave the eu, however , for some leave the eu, however, for some of these — leave the eu, however, for some of these laws— leave the eu, however, for some of these laws will— leave the eu, however, for some of these laws will be actually rather— of these laws will be actually rether 9°°dr_ of these laws will be actually rather good, especially the ones rettthg— rather good, especially the ones relating employees so relating to employees rights. so i'm relating to employees rights. so t-rh teen— relating to employees rights. so t-rh teeh thet— relating to employees rights. so i'm keen that our— relating to employees rights. so i'm keen that our politicians ten-t— i'm keen that our politicians teh-t threw— i'm keen that our politicians don't throw the _ i'm keen that our politicians don't throw the baby out with the hath — don't throw the baby out with the bath water.— don't throw the baby out with the bath water. now, that's a treat— the bath water. now, that's a good asht— the bath water. now, that's a good point, charlotte. i think it's good point, charlotte. i think tt-s worth— good point, charlotte. i think it's worth pointing out that hreatteers— it's worth pointing out that brexiteers never wanted to scrap these— brexiteers never wanted to scrap these tarts—

brexiteers never wanted to scrap these laws and— brexiteers never wanted to scrap these laws and make britain a tawtess— these laws and make britain a lawless society— these laws and make britain a lawless society where it gave tess— lawless society where it gave tess rtghts— lawless society where it gave less rights to— lawless society where it gave less rights to citizens and more tes— less rights to citizens and more votes, more rights— less rights to citizens and more votes, more rights through big government— votes, more rights through big government .— votes, more rights through big government . it— votes, more rights through big government . it was actually government. it was actually about— government. it was actually about replacing— government. it was actually about replacing passing laws wtth— about replacing passing laws wtth a— about replacing passing laws with a british— about replacing passing laws with a british version which shorta— with a british version which should have— with a british version which should have been a constitutional shoo in with a sht— constitutional shoo in with a civil service— constitutional shoo in with a civil service as— constitutional shoo in with a civil service as big as we've gat— civil service as big as we've get rt— civil service as big as we've get tt working— civil service as big as we've got it working from home got her— got it working from home got thetr teet— got it working from home got thetr teet ah— got it working from home got their feet up plenty of time to do their feet up plenty of time to to rt.— their feet up plenty of time to to t. sarhg— their feet up plenty of time to do it. saving on— their feet up plenty of time to do it. saving on train journeys . tre— do it. saving on train journeys . the reatty— do it. saving on train journeys . we really expected lot more . we really expected a lot more tram— . we really expected a lot more trarh them— . we really expected a lot more trarh them by— . we really expected a lot more from them by now— . we really expected a lot more from them by now . next point from them by now. next point stan— from them by now. next point stah says— from them by now. next point stah says .— from them by now. next point stah says , .— from them by now. next point stan says , i am— from them by now. next point stan says , i am very, very angry stan says, i am very, very angry at sahat— stan says, i am very, very angry at sunak decision— stan says, i am very, very angry at sunak decision to welch on the phrase— at sunak decision to welch on the promise to— at sunak decision to welch on the promise to reverse eu laws . the promise to reverse eu laws. in the promise to reverse eu laws. h rhy— the promise to reverse eu laws. h my herr— the promise to reverse eu laws. in my view, brexit— the promise to reverse eu laws. in my view, brexit will never happen— in my view, brexit will never happen .— in my view, brexit will never happen . stap— in my view, brexit will never happen . stah h— in my view, brexit will never happen . stan a lot of people happen. stan a lot of people share— happen. stan a lot of people share that— happen. stan a lot of people share that pessimism. a lot of peapte— share that pessimism. a lot of peapte teet— share that pessimism. a lot of people feel this— share that pessimism. a lot of people feel this is the final waterhp— people feel this is the final watering down— people feel this is the final watering down of brexit after ttshhp— watering down of brexit after ttshhp aha— watering down of brexit after fishing and northern ireland heat— fishing and northern ireland heat paht— fishing and northern ireland next point now— fishing and northern ireland next point now to jean, who says— next point now to jean, who says .— next point now to jean, who says, . the— next point now to jean, who says, r the h— next point now to jean, who says, i live in northern ireland aha— says, i live in northern ireland and we— says, i live in northern ireland and rye-peep— says, i live in northern ireland and we-been sold- says, i live in northern ireland and we been sold down the and we have been sold down the rher—hahth- river. that's what ben habib eehaet— river. that's what ben habib eehaet-the- river. that's what ben habib echoed the government echoed earlier. the government shorta— echoed earlier. the government sheatt hat— echoed earlier. the government sheatt not he— echoed earlier. the government should not be talking about the tstaht— should not be talking about the island-ireland,— should not be talking about the island ireland, only island of ireland, but only hartherh— island of ireland, but only northern ireland. i voted to heave— northern ireland. i voted to teave the— northern ireland. i voted to leave the eu— northern ireland. i voted to leave the eu and wouldn't change my vete— leave the eu and wouldn't change my vote rt— leave the eu and wouldn't change my vote ttihat— leave the eu and wouldn't change my vote if.had .do - leave the eu and wouldn't change my vote if.had-do it- leave the eu and wouldn't change my vote if had do it all my vote if we had to do it all over—done to- my vote if we had to do it all over—done to you, over again. well done to you, reap.— over again. well done to you, reap. stahthp— over again. well done to you, jean. standing by—

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low starts slip its way low cloud starts to slip its way back south, westwards across parts of england, northern ireland and scotland will see the cloud thicken. outbreaks of rain moving in under any clear spells in between temperatures dipping into single figures. so a fresh start to sunday, but for many quite a cloudy picture . many quite a cloudy picture. outbreaks of rain across northern and western parts of the uk . further south and east, the uk. further south and east, we'll see low cloud , but that we'll see low cloud, but that should lift and break to give plenty sunshine the plenty of sunshine into the afternoon. perhaps i or 2 showers of the showers ahead of the main frontal system, which only frontal system, which will only slowly way southwards slowly push its way southwards behind will brighten up behind it. it will brighten up across west and parts of northern ireland and scotland, but turning fresher here, temperatures only reaching the mid teens. whilst we should see highs the highs in the sunshine in the south—east around 22 degrees into the evening time , this into the evening time, this front push its way front continues to push its way south eastwards. so everyone seeing of rain by the end seeing a bit of rain by the end of day , clear spells and of the day, clear spells and showers following into the early hours scotland and northern hours for scotland and northern ireland. the rain just ireland. and the rain just starting to make its in the

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the— strikes are set to be held on the erst— strikes are set to be held on the stst at— strikes are set to be held on the 31st of may— strikes are set to be held on the 31st of may and the 3rd of rape. — the 31st of may and the 3rd of tape. that-s— the 31st of may and the 3rd of june. that's the— the 31st of may and the 3rd of june. that's the day of the fa cup— june. that's the day of the fa cap that— june. that's the day of the fa cap that at— june. that's the day of the fa cup final at wembley. june. that's the day of the fa cup final at wembley . well, the cup final at wembley. well, the union's general— cup final at wembley. well, the union's general secretary is htarhhg— union's general secretary is htarhhp the— union's general secretary is blaming the government for tatthg— blaming the government for tatthp ta— blaming the government for failing to negotiate . i“ failing to negotiate. this government— failing to negotiate. this government is- failing to negotiate. this government is determined to keep this dispute going because cause they've got issues in in health care and with the nurses and the doctors, with the teachers and they're trying to clamp down on working people's pay so that they can transfer that wealth to they can transfer that wealth to the rich people of this society where dividends and are where dividends and profits are up , the stock exchange is up. up, the stock exchange is up. the economy is growing, but they want to do that the basis of want to do that on the basis of low pay and not prepared low pay. and we're not prepared to that . so keir starmer to accept that. so keir starmer says labour is on track ahead of the next general election, but admitted more work needs to be done during a speech in london, the leader set out his hope to change the entire culture of his party. he also said he expects heat— party. he also said he expects next years— he also said he expects next year's campaign to get a ttrty— next year's campaign to get a ttrty aha— next year's campaign to get a ttrty aht hasty— next year's campaign to get a dirty and nasty after labour's taeat— dirty and nasty after labour's local election— dirty and nasty after labour's local election success. the tatawr— local election success. the tataar party—

local election success. the labour party will only restore hopein labour party will only restore hope in the country . arnie if we hope in the country. arnie if we once again become the natural vehicle for working people. an agent for their hopes and- agent for their hopes and asptrattahs— agent for their hopes and aspirations ,_ agent for their hopes and aspirations , a— agent for their hopes and aspirations , a party of the aspirations, a party of the common good— aspirations, a party of the common good .- aspirations, a party of the common good . now some people common good. now some people that— common good. now some people that that— common good. now some people think that all— common good. now some people think that all we're— common good. now some people think that all we're doing is ttstahehg— think that all we're doing is distancing ourselves from the prewaws— distancing ourselves from the previous regime. itit�*itifilcc distancing ourselves from the previous regime. itit�*iiicc distancing ourselves from the previous regime. �*ftt�*tigc .it”ti; previous regime. well, we are, but that misses the point . this but that misses the point. this is about taking our party back to where we belong . homeowners to where we belong. homeowners are to where we belong. homeowners being— to where we belong. homeowners hehp warhea— to where we belong. homeowners hehp warhet ,— to where we belong. homeowners are being warned , oh,— d homeowners are being warned , oh, there's are being warned, oh, there's mortgage— are being warned, oh, there's more mortgage pain to come. the tesatwttah— more mortgage pain to come. the resolution foundation found that the prawns— resolution foundation found that the growing popularity of fixed rates— the growing popularity of fixed rates aha— the growing popularity of fixed rates and longer— the growing popularity of fixed rates and longer term deals that— rates and longer term deals means that many borrowers are yet ta— means that many borrowers are yet to see— means that many borrowers are yet to the— means that many borrowers are yet to see the impact of rising hterest— yet to see the impact of rising interest rates.— yet to see the impact of rising interest rates. well, this week , the— interest rates. well, this week , the haph— interest rates. well, this week , the tank at— interest rates. well, this week , the bank of england increased the base— , the bank of england increased the hase rate— , the bank of england increased the base rate from _ , the bank of england increased the base rate from 4.25% to 4.5. property— the base rate from 4.25% to 4.5. traperty expert— the base rate from 4.25% to 4.5. property expert richard blanco tatt— property expert richard blanco tatt as— property expert richard blanco tatt as the— property expert richard blanco told us the market is slowing down. — told us the market is slowing down. we— told us the market is slowing down. we have— told us the market is slowing down. �*ftt�*ti; i“ told us the market is slowing down. i“ down. we have seen the market get a little bit more buoyant and again , it's you know, it's

and again, it's you know, it's defying expectations because we did expect prices to fall anything between 5 and 12% this yeah anything between 5 and 12% this year. and the market doesn't seem to be suffering quite as badly as we'd expected. so again, some surprises there. of course , we know from the bank of course, we know from the bank of england that we're not expecting to into recession this year to go into recession this year after all, and that's one of the reasons why the bank of england is still putting rates up . the is still putting rates up. the government has defended sat tests saying they're supposed to be challenging for year six students. it's after hundreds of parents— students. it's after hundreds of parents complained— : it's after hundreds of parents complained that the exam was parents complained that the exam tea— parents complained that the exam was too difficult— parents complained that the exam was too difficult and left some pwptts— was too difficult and left some pwptts h— was too difficult and left some pwptts th tears— was too difficult and left some pupils in tears .— was too difficult and left some pupils in tears . the national pupils in tears. the national assaetattah— pupils in tears. the national association of— pupils in tears. the national association of head teachers has atsa— association of head teachers has atsa ratset— association of head teachers has also raised concerns and plans to tate— also raised concerns and plans to take the— also raised concerns and plans to take the issue— also raised concerns and plans to take the issue up with the sheets— to take the issue up with the schools regulator. quual chatrrhah— schools regulator. quual chairman of— schools regulator. quual chairman of the campaign for teat— chairman of the campaign for real education,— chairman of the campaign for real education, chris mcgovern , real education, chris mcgovern, tatt— real education, chris mcgovern, tatt as— real education, chris mcgovern, tatt as that— real education, chris mcgovern, told us that difficult sats are hehettetat— told us that difficult sats are beneficial . _ told us that difficult sats are beneficial . we— told us that difficult sats are beneficial . �*ftt�*ti; i i“ c ”cant beneficial. we can't really make them any easier. it wouldn't change the driving test, would we, to make it easier. so i'm

sorry children were upset, but maybe there were schools maybe because there were schools were and maybe were locked down and maybe because a lot of pressure from teachers added teachers that's added to the burden we need the burden on children. we need the tests. if this was a rogue tests. and if this was a rogue exam, it one would apologise for that. of course . but the that. of course. but the prhetpte— that. of course. but the prhetpte at— that. of course. but the principle of ws- o” ti.tit. but the principle of lvs ascot, christine _ principle of lvs ascot, christine says sats are damaging if a christine says sats are damaging tt a ragwe— christine says sats are damaging tt a rogue earp— christine says sats are damaging if a rogue exam to— christine says sats are damaging if a rogue exam to a child who's io if a rogue exam to a child who's to ar— if a rogue exam to a child who's to or h— if a rogue exam to a child who's to or h that— if a rogue exam to a child who's 10 or ii, that is— if a rogue exam to a child who's 10 or 11, that is damaging and there-s— 10 or 11, that is damaging and there-s ha— 10 or 11, that is damaging and there's no excuse— 10 or 11, that is damaging and there's no excuse for that. c there's no excuse for that. it sheath— there's no excuse for that. it shawtt te— there's no excuse for that. it should be checked- there's no excuse for that. it should be checked more properly. and we know that there's been exam errors with gcses and a—levels. reason why i don't a—levels. the reason why i don't agree because i do agree with sats is because i do believe that it's too narrow . believe that it's too narrow. it's only english and maths. science abolished in 2010 science was abolished in 2010 and children have a right to a broad and balanced curriculum . broad and balanced curriculum. and at moment many schools and at the moment many schools who are taking the sats are teaching exams . teaching to those exams. president zelenskyy is in italy for president zelenskyy is in italy tar tatts— president zelenskyy is in italy for talks with— president zelenskyy is in italy for talks with government atttetats— for talks with government officials. he's— for talks with government officials. he's met with prime tthtster— officials. he's met with prime minister giorgia— officials. he's met with prime minister giorgia meloni on his first— minister giorgia meloni on his ttrst trtp— minister giorgia meloni on his ttrst trtp ta — minister giorgia meloni on his first trip to the _ minister giorgia meloni on his first trip to the country since twssta— first trip to the country since

russia invaded _ first trip to the country since russia invaded ukraine in tehrwary— russia invaded ukraine in february last— russia invaded ukraine in february last year. he then met wtth— february last year. he then met wtth ttattah— february last year. he then met with italian president sergio ttattaretta— with italian president sergio ttattaretta .— with italian president sergio mattarella . well, later, mr mattarella. well, later, mr zetehstyy— mattarella. well, later, mr zelenskyy will— mattarella. well, later, mr zelenskyy will meet with the pope _ zelenskyy will meet with the pope ta — zelenskyy will meet with the pope to discuss— zelenskyy will meet with the pope to discuss a peace mission to eat— pope to discuss a peace mission to eat the— pope to discuss a peace mission to eat the war— pope to discuss a peace mission to end the war with— pope to discuss a peace mission to end the war with russia . to end the war with russia. hatet— to end the war with russia. hatet prtees— to end the war with russia. hotel prices in— to end the war with russia. hotel prices in most european attes— hotel prices in most european etttes have— hotel prices in most european cities have risen— hotel prices in most european cities have risen by more than sow— cities have risen by more than sow tast— cities have risen by more than 50% last since— cities have risen by more than 50% last since last summer. research— 50% last since last summer. research from _ 50% last since last summer. research from post office travel rhehey— research from post office travel hahey taunt.— research from post office travel money found. madrid is the most epehsre— money found. madrid is the most epehstwe eat— money found. madrid is the most expensive out of— money found. madrid is the most expensive out of 35— money found. madrid is the most expensive out of 35 holiday destinations— expensive out of 35 holiday destinations .— expensive out of 35 holiday destinations . it'll now cost destinations. it'll now cost hearty— destinations. it'll now cost hearty troo— destinations. it'll now cost nearly £400 to— destinations. it'll now cost nearly £400 to stay in the spahtsh— nearly £400 to stay in the spanish capital- nearly £400 to stay in the spanish capital for just two prams.— spanish capital for just two nights. that's— spanish capital for just two nights. that's up from £161 last year.— nights. that's up from £161 last year. hat— nights. that's up from £161 last year. hat ather— nights. that's up from £161 last year. but other expensive destinations— year. but other expensive destinations include berlin , destinations include berlin, amsterdam— destinations include berlin, amsterdam and venice . momentum amsterdam and venice. momentum is amsterdam and venice. momentum ts building— amsterdam and venice. momentum is building ahead— amsterdam and venice. momentum is building ahead of— amsterdam and venice. momentum is building ahead of tonight's that— is building ahead of tonight's that at— is building ahead of tonight's that at the— is building ahead of tonight's final of the eurovision song contest— final of the eurovision song cahtest h— final of the eurovision song contest in liverpool. the uk's any,— contest in liverpool. the uk's entry, way— contest in liverpool. the uk's entry, may mueller , who will entry, may mueller, who will pertarrh.— entry, may mueller, who will pertarrh. t— entry, may mueller, who will perform. i wrote— entry, may mueller, who will perform. i wrote a song , says perform. i wrote a song, says she-s— perform. i wrote a song, says she-s reatty— perform. i wrote a song, says she-s reaty ta— perform. i wrote a song, says she's ready to get- perform. i wrote a song, says she's ready to get the show on the—

she's ready to get the show on the read. — she's ready to get the show on the road. she's— she's ready to get the show on the road. she's one of 26 acts to appear— the road. she's one of 26 acts to appear before— the road. she's one of 26 acts to appear before an estimated ptahat— to appear before an estimated global audience— to appear before an estimated global audience of . 160 million global audience of. 160 million the— global audience of. 160 million viewers. the uk— global audience of. 160 million viewers. the uk agreed to host the eahtest— viewers. the uk agreed to host the contest on— viewers. the uk agreed to host the contest on behalf of last years— the contest on behalf of last year's winner, ukraine. well, these— year's winner, ukraine. well, these taps— year's winner, ukraine. well, these fans are— year's winner, ukraine. well, these fans are very excited for tahtght— these fans are very excited for tahteht . — these fans are very excited for tonight . honestly,- these fans are very excited for tonight . tit: tonight. honestly, i'm married. i'm happy , and this is the best i'm happy, and this is the best day of my life . it's fantastic. day of my life. it's fantastic. i day of my life. it's fantastic. t heap— day of my life. it's fantastic. t ,— day of my life. it's fantastic. i mean , we've been- chin e ”ti; it's fantastic. i mean , we've been following for i mean, we've been following for years— i mean, we've been following for years aha— i mean, we've been following for years and years— i mean, we've been following for years and years and years . so to years and years and years. so to have— years and years and years. so to have somewhere— years and years and years. so to have somewhere that you can just jump— have somewhere that you can just twrhp ah— have somewhere that you can just twrhp are a— have somewhere that you can just twrhp are a trap— have somewhere that you can just twrhp are a trah ar— have somewhere that you can just jump on a train or not train, jump,— jump on a train or not train, jump jump— jump on a train or not train, jumpr twrhp h— jump on a train or not train, jumpr twrhp ha a— jump on a train or not train, jump, jump in a car and get to it, jump, jump in a car and get to p, tt-s— jump, jump in a car and get to p, tt-s tast— jump, jump in a car and get to it, it's just been— jump, jump in a car and get to it, it's just been oh, it's great.— it, it's just been oh, it's great. aha— it, it's just been oh, it's great. and liverpool has exeettet— great. and liverpool has excelled itself- great. and liverpool has excelled itself . having a great excelled itself. having a great the— excelled itself. having a great the ap— excelled itself. having a great the are the— excelled itself. having a great time on the we'll bring you more as tt— time on the we'll bring you more as tt happehs. — time on the we'll bring you more as it happens. now,— time on the we'll bring you more as it happens. \ri:rrt g time on the we'll bring you more as it happens. \ttiittt" g i as it happens. now, though, back to . to. martin and thank you for that update, rory. okay, let's kick off this hear— rory. okay, let's kick off this hear wtth— rory. okay, let's kick off this hour with the _ rory. okay, let's kick off this hour with the big— 3103 okay, let's kick off this hour with the big story, and that— hour with the big story, and that ts— hour with the big story, and that ts at—

hour with the big story, and that is, of course, keir starmer says— that is, of course, keir starmer says he— that is, of course, keir starmer says he has— that is, of course, keir starmer says he has a— that is, of course, keir starmer says he has a bigger task than tony— says he has a bigger task than why htatr— says he has a bigger task than tony blair even— says he has a bigger task than tony blair even faced and his ptahs— tony blair even faced and his ptahs tar— tony blair even faced and his ptahs tar the— tony blair even faced and his plans for the country will be on wtt— plans for the country will be on wttt he— plans for the country will be on wttt he wew— plans for the country will be on will be new labour on steroids. the— will be new labour on steroids. the tapew— will be new labour on steroids. the labour leader— will be new labour on steroids. the labour leader used a speech tatay— the labour leader used a speech tatay ta— the labour leader used a speech tatay to present— the labour leader used a speech today to present his vision for the— today to present his vision for the party,— today to present his vision for the party, telling— today to present his vision for the party, telling the audience he teesh-t— the party, telling the audience he doesn't care— the party, telling the audience he doesn't care if— the party, telling the audience he doesn't care if his priorities— he doesn't care if his priorities sound conservative. wett— priorities sound conservative. wett tet-s— priorities sound conservative. well, let's have— priorities sound conservative. well, let's have a look right at— well, let's have a look right at what— well, let's have a look right now at what he— well, let's have a look right now at what he said this morning . twe— now at what he said this morning . the teen— now at what he said this morning . i've been drifting— now at what he said this morning . i've been drifting away- now at what he said this morning . i've been drifting away from working people a long time working people for a long time and that's unforgivable. that's why i say this project goes further and deeper than new labour's rewriting of clause four. this is about rolling up ” this is about rolling up our sleeves , changing our entire our sleeves, changing our entire ewttwre— our sleeves, changing our entire ewttwre ,— our sleeves, changing our entire ewttwre , awr— our sleeves, changing our entire culture , our it's— our sleeves, changing our entire culture , our it's our dna . �*ftt�*“tit culture, our it's our dna. who are culture, our it's our dna. who we h tt— culture, our it's our dna. who are we in it for— culture, our it's our dna. who are we in it for and— culture, our it's our dna. who are we in it for and who do we serve ? who do we wake up in the serve? who do we wake up in the morning and fight for? who do we have in our mind's eye when we make decisions ? and with the make decisions? and with the levels of cynicism in our politics, the let down, the drifting away , the disconnect, drifting away, the disconnect, our collapse in scotland, the loss of the red wall. this task

is going to be ongoing. depher built and enormous as it is. if you like, clause four on steratts— you like, clause four on steratts .— you like, clause four on steroids . well, clause four on steroids. well, clause four on steratts. — steroids. well, clause four on steroids. let's— steroids. well, clause four on steroids. let's find- steroids. well, clause four on steroids. �*" “t: steroids. let's find out what that means now. join me as gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson . hello commentator nigel nelson. hello to you again, nigel. so clause four, for those out there who aren't familiar , that was blair aren't familiar, that was blair purging the labour party, wasn't it, of their constitutional commitment to things like nationalising everything ? yes nationalising everything? yes that's right. that in clause tear— that's right. that in clause tear wept— that's right. that in clause four went back— that's right. that in clause four went back to- ” 3 that in clause four went back to 1918 when the tapew— four went back to 1918 when the tahawr party— four went back to 1918 when the labour party was— four went back to 1918 when the labour party was being created aha— labour party was being created and se— labour party was being created and so tar— labour party was being created and so for tony— labour party was being created and so for tony blair, it was a tha— and so for tony blair, it was a that at— and so for tony blair, it was a kind of symbolic— and so for tony blair, it was a kind of symbolic reform to create— kind of symbolic reform to create wew— kind of symbolic reform to create new labour and you're right— create new labour and you're right, effectively— create new labour and you're right, effectively what it said that— right, effectively what it said that tt— right, effectively what it said was that it all— right, effectively what it said was that it all workers should have— was that it all workers should have the— was that it all workers should have the full— was that it all workers should have the full fruits of their tapew— have the full fruits of their labour through— have the full fruits of their labour through common ownership . in labour through common ownership . th short— labour through common ownership . th shart ,— labour through common ownership . th shart , that— labour through common ownership . in short , that was— labour through common ownership . in short , that was kind of . in short, that was kind of mass nationalisation and now new tapew— mass nationalisation and now new tahawr twrhet— mass nationalisation and now new labour turned its— mass nationalisation and now new labour turned its back on that . labour turned its back on that. we labour turned its back on that. we then— labour turned its back on that. we then hat— labour turned its back on that. we then hat a— labour turned its back on that. we then had a slight hiccup with

jeremy— we then had a slight hiccup with jeremy carhyh— we then had a slight hiccup with jeremy corbyn along the way and tetr— jeremy corbyn along the way and now keir starmer— jeremy corbyn along the way and now keir starmer is— jeremy corbyn along the way and now keir starmer is saying yes , now keir starmer is saying yes, we turn— now keir starmer is saying yes, we turn our back— now keir starmer is saying yes, we turn our back on that too. we— we turn our back on that too. it's interesting,— we turn our back on that too. it's interesting, nigel,- we turn our back on that too. it's interesting, nigel, how starmer was actually openly mocking the previous regime . of mocking the previous regime. of course he means jeremy corbyn in that speech. is this the final death rattle , do you think, of death rattle, do you think, of the labour left wing and is this a deliberate ploy from starmer to make that centre ground more appealing to get rid of this kind of reds under the bed feeling labour party feeling the labour party strapped into during the corbyn years yes, much so. i years? yes, very much so. i mean, i think that the- , /ti;~ir ii“.ti“ i mean, i think that the point apart— mean, i think that the point about jeremy— mean, i think that the point about jeremy corbyn was it was an hteresthg— about jeremy corbyn was it was an interesting experiment and it was an interesting experiment and it patte— an interesting experiment and it was quite useful— an interesting experiment and it was quite useful to see how hrttah— was quite useful to see how britain would— was quite useful to see how britain would react to what etteettwety— britain would react to what effectively was _ britain would react to what effectively was the offer of a seetattst— effectively was the offer of a socialist revolution . and i socialist revolution. and i mean, that's— socialist revolution. and i mean, that's certainly what jeremy— mean, that's certainly what jeremy carhyh— mean, that's certainly what jeremy corbyn was calling it. so the tres— jeremy corbyn was calling it. so the voters had— jeremy corbyn was calling it. so the voters had their say and they— the voters had their say and they they— the voters had their say and they they rejected it by a huge marath— they they rejected it by a huge hareh .— they they rejected it by a huge margin . labour's— they they rejected it by a huge margin . labour's worst defeat margin. labour's worst defeat she— margin. labour's worst defeat test.— margin. labour's worst defeat since 1935. we— margin. labour's worst defeat since 1935. we they did the same expertmept— since 1935. we they did the same eapertrheht. tt— since 1935. we they did the same

experiment. if you— since 1935. we they did the same experiment. if you like, under wtehaet— experiment. if you like, under michael foot— experiment. if you like, under michael foot in— experiment. if you like, under michael foot in 1983. and again, the ter— michael foot in 1983. and again, the voters rejected _ michael foot in 1983. and again, the voters rejected it. so it warth— the voters rejected it. so it was worth putting it in front of the electorate _ was worth putting it in front of the electorate and saying , do the electorate and saying, do you— the electorate and saying, do yaw want— the electorate and saying, do you want these _ the electorate and saying, do you want these kind of left wing pattetes— you want these kind of left wing pattetes e— you want these kind of left wing pattetes e the— you want these kind of left wing policies ? the electorate said no policies? the electorate said no . tetr— policies? the electorate said no . keir starmer— policies? the electorate said no . keir starmer is— policies? the electorate said no . keir starmer is listened to that— . keir starmer is listened to that rtpht— . keir starmer is listened to that right and— . keir starmer is listened to that right and is— . keir starmer is listened to that right and is now designing a new— that right and is now designing a new tahawr— that right and is now designing a new labour party to confront the wartaws— a new labour party to confront the various challenges of which there— the various challenges of which there rhaatr— the various challenges of which there major which _ the various challenges of which there major which britain is taeha— there major which britain is taehp at— there major which britain is taehp at the— there major which britain is facing at the moment . there major which britain is facing at the moment. right. okay.— facing at the moment. right. otay. tt-s— facing at the moment. right. away. we are— facing at the moment. right. okay. it's one thing- facing at the moment. right. okay. it's one thing for- facing at the moment. right. okay. it's one thing for starmer to flash his got to the red wall as it were, and do these kind of constitution tinkerings. but there's been no real policy yet, nigel, although we have seen that 86 page document leaked out talking about things that don't sound very working class at all. for example , the legal right to for example, the legal right to work from home, which might go down well with cappuccino down well with the cappuccino classes, how will that play classes, but how will that play out builders and labourers? out with builders and labourers? and also they're talking about millions, billions of pounds of green investment and even votes at the age of 16. yes i mean, i was a bit surprised— g �*7 /ti;~ir i mean, i was a bit surprised about to see the wates— was a bit surprised about to see the wates at— was a bit surprised about to see the votes at 16.— was a bit surprised about to see the votes at 16. but— was a bit surprised about to see

the votes at 16. but of course, ye — the votes at 16. but of course, ye pat— the votes at 16. but of course, ye eat that— the votes at 16. but of course, you've got that up— the votes at 16. but of course, you've got that up in scotland at-rharheht— you've got that up in scotland at-rharheht .— you've got that up in scotland at-moment . but- you've got that up in scotland at moment. but on the other at the moment. but on the other on at the moment. but on the other ah-thhes— at the moment. but on the other ah-thhes ,_ at the moment. but on the other on _things , when- at the moment. but on the other on things , when you on the other things, when you tattha— on the other things, when you were talking about worker rtahts— were talking about worker. rtphts—ts rights, essentially what it is, is rights, essentially what it is, ts sayha— rights, essentially what it is, ts sayhg that— rights, essentially what it is, is saying that a— rights, essentially what it is, is saying that a worker should have— is saying that a worker should have have— is saying that a worker should have have full— is saying that a worker should have have full employer rights trah— have have full employer rights trarh tay— have have full employer rights trah tay ae— have have full employer rights from day one, that they join a earhpahy— from day one, that they join a earhpahy water— from day one, that they join a company under the present system,— company under the present system, they— company under the present system, they don't have those rtahts— system, they don't have those rtphts tar— system, they don't have those rights for two _ system, they don't have those rights for two years. so that is what— rights for two years. so that is what tetr— rights for two years. so that is what keir starmer— rights for two years. so that is what keir starmer is talking ahawt. — what keir starmer is talking about. angela— what keir starmer is talking about. angela rayner this rharhhg— about. angela rayner this rharhhp has— about. angela rayner this morning has been talking, tatthg— morning has been talking, talking about— morning has been talking, talking about not letting bosses whatsapp— talking about not letting bosses whatsapp aha— talking about not letting bosses whatsapp and email their staff at harhe. — whatsapp and email their staff at harhe. waw— whatsapp and email their staff at home. now when you look at aetwatty— at home. now when you look at aetwatty what— at home. now when you look at actually what you— at home. now when you look at actually what you really said, sata— actually what you really said, satt there— actually what you really said, said there was— actually what you really said, said there was obviously this wawtth-t— said there was obviously this wouldn't work— said there was obviously this wouldn't work for every parttewtar— wouldn't work for every particular industry . you know, particular industry. you know, for instance,— particular industry. you know, for instance, gb— particular industry. you know, for instance, gb news producers wart— for instance, gb news producers wart thetr— for instance, gb news producers work their socks— for instance, gb news producers work their socks off around the stash— work their socks off around the stash ta — work their socks off around the clock to build— work their socks off around the clock to build shows like this, aha— clock to build shows like this, and tt— clock to build shows like this, and tt watta— clock to build shows like this, and it would be— clock to build shows like this, and it would be absurd if they eawtth-t— and it would be absurd if they couldn't whatsapp up the likes of couldn't whatsapp up the likes at yaw— couldn't whatsapp up the likes at yaw aha— couldn't whatsapp up the likes at yaw and he— couldn't whatsapp up the likes of you and me except between 9 aha— of you and me except between 9 aht 5.— of you and me except between 9 aht 5- sa— of you and me except between 9 aht 5- sa att— of you and me except between 9 and 5. so all these— of you and me except between 9 and 5. so all these things are tha— and 5. so all these things are that at— and 5. so all these things are that at the— and 5. so all these things are kind of the it's— and 5. so all these things are kind of the it's work work in prapress— kind of the it's work work in prapress tar— kind of the it's work work in progress for the— kind of the it's work work in progress for the labour party aha— progress for the labour party and eertahty— progress for the labour party and certainly at— progress for the labour party and certainly at the moment

they-we— and certainly at the moment they-we pat— and certainly at the moment they've got policies coming out of they've got policies coming out at her— they've got policies coming out at thetr ears— they've got policies coming out of their ears and— they've got policies coming out of their ears and not for the ttrst— of their ears and not for the ttrst ttrhe. — of their ears and not for the first time. nigel,- of their ears and not for the first time. \r gill git first time. nigel, you've got a big cheer in my earpiece there. when you said how hard the producers work on gb news. let's move second speech move on to the second speech of today. patel miss giving today. priti patel i miss giving it the big has to be said. she's having pop having a right old pop at at rishi sunak at the conservative democratic organising ocean speech today . she is saying that speech today. she is saying that that he is managing the decline of the conservative party and that's his appointment as leader was undemocratic and more like a coronation well, it was eertahty— titi“ well, it was certainly undemocratic because ttsht— certainly undemocratic because ttsht sahat— certainly undemocratic because rishi sunak didn't get a single wate— rishi sunak didn't get a single wate ta— rishi sunak didn't get a single vote to become— rishi sunak didn't get a single vote to become prime minister wahaty— vote to become prime minister wahaty staat— vote to become prime minister nobody stood against him after liz nobody stood against him after the truss— nobody stood against him after liz truss fell.— nobody stood against him after liz truss fell. it— nobody stood against him after liz truss fell. it was never put to liz truss fell. it was never put ta the — liz truss fell. it was never put ta the party— liz truss fell. it was never put ta the party aha— liz truss fell. it was never put to the party and the party pretty— to the party and the party pretty angry— to the party and the party pretty angry about that, espeetatty— pretty angry about that, especially as- pretty angry about that, especially as they rejected him tast— especially as they rejected him tast srhrher— especially as they rejected him tast .— especially as they rejected him last summer . so— especially as they rejected him last summer. so in that sense, trttt — last summer. so in that sense, trttt hatet— last summer. so in that sense, priti patel is— last summer. so in that sense, priti patel is right— last summer. so in that sense, priti patel is right . and i priti patel is right. and i that— priti patel is right. and i think that— priti patel is right. and i think that if— priti patel is right. and i think that if you look at the subtext— think that if you look at the swhteat at— think that if you look at the subtext of what— think that if you look at the subtext of what she's trying to say— subtext of what she's trying to say aha— subtext of what she's trying to say and reatty— subtext of what she's trying to say and really what this parttewtar— say and really what this particular conference is about is particular conference is about ts that— particular conference is about ts that tt— particular conference is about is that if boris— particular conference is about is that if boris johnson had

been— is that if boris johnson had been h— is that if boris johnson had been in leader,— is that if boris johnson had been in leader, the conservatives wouldn't have been in leader, the— conservatives wouldn't have lost athawsaht— conservatives wouldn't have lost a thousand seats— conservatives wouldn't have lost a thousand seats at the local eteettah— a thousand seats at the local election means— a thousand seats at the local election means we can't know whether— election means we can't know whether that's— election means we can't know whether that's true or not because— whether that's true or not because obviously he wasn't teater— because obviously he wasn't leader leader— because obviously he wasn't leader leader at— because obviously he wasn't leader leader at the time. what eertahty— leader leader at the time. what eertahty ts— leader leader at the time. what certainly is true— leader leader at the time. what certainly is true is— leader leader at the time. what certainly is true is that rishi swhat— certainly is true is that rishi sunak hasn't— certainly is true is that rishi sunak hasn't captured the public thaahattah— sunak hasn't captured the public imagination and— sunak hasn't captured the public imagination and the kind of hawhee— imagination and the kind of hawhee yaw— imagination and the kind of bounce you would expect from a trtrhe— bounce you would expect from a new prime minister— bounce you would expect from a new prime minister creating what taats— new prime minister creating what taats twe— new prime minister creating what taats the a— new prime minister creating what looks like a new— new prime minister creating what looks like a new government . looks like a new government. that— looks like a new government. that tast— looks like a new government. that just hasn't— looks like a new government. that just hasn't happened . that just hasn't happened. nigelr_ that just hasn't happened. nigelr yaw— that just hasn't happened. nigelr yaw ar— that just hasn't happened. nigel, you are dead- that just hasn't happened. nigel, you are dead right. thanks for your input today and a final word here. the vice president, lord greenhall, today tweeted that the momentum behind a boris comeback is now unstoppable. but that might please a few gb news viewers out there. nigel nelson, thank you for joining us. and see you forjoining us. and see you again in an hour's time. okay. on to the debate. we're looking forward because forward to all weekend because rail services run by transpennine express will be brought under government control due to continuous cancellations . we'll due to continuous cancellations .we'll familiar due to continuous cancellations . we'll familiar with them. the .we'll familiar with them. the train operator , which covers train operator, which covers northern england and runs in parts of scotland, saw 1 in 6

services cancelled in march . the services cancelled in march. the transport secretary says the firms contracts won't be extended with the department of transport taking over from may the 28th. instead well, the move has reignited the age old debate over whether we should nationalise all of our railways and so joining me now is former home office minister norman baker and a huge train buff has to be said communications officer at the iea , harrison officer at the iea, harrison griffiths and stp member hilary salt . let's start with you, salt. let's start with you, norman. as a former minister with this on your brief nationalising, the railways has long been a kind of pet project of the left wing. but actually this is polling incredibly popular with even 36% of tory voters now wanting the railways to be brought back under public ownership. why are we in this position and how do we get things so wrong? well i should say also, martin, from transport minister, a rail minister, which is probably more germane to this debate, but in terms of nationalisation , this is a

nationalisation, this is a cunous nationalisation, this is a curious thing because the railways are effectively nationalised now, network rail has been in public ownership since about 2013. officially . since about 2013. officially. we've got the standards board and everything else now being set up. the department of trahspart— set up. the department of transport that— e. the department of transport that own the public seetr— transport that own the public set aha— transport that own the public sector and the— transport that own the public sector and the rail, the rail trah— sector and the rail, the rail train operating— sector and the rail, the rail train operating companies are etteettwety— train operating companies are effectively told— train operating companies are effectively told what to do by the department— effectively told what to do by the department for transport on the department for transport on the eahtraet. — the department for transport on the contract. “ti;”ti; tilt the contract. there's very little flexibility for them. the only bit of the little flexibility for them. - the only bit of the organisation that-s— the only bit of the organisation has stit— the only bit of the organisation that's still private— the only bit of the organisation that's still private really are the— that's still private really are the rather— that's still private really are the rolling stock companies . the rolling stock companies. 50,— the rolling stock companies. southw— the rolling stock companies. salthaw. th— the rolling stock companies. so,-know, in my- the rolling stock companies. so,-know, in my view- the rolling stock companies. so,-know, in my view ,. so, you know, in my view, nothing much change if we nothing much would change if we ended up with the companies being taken over by the government officially because we already have northern and southeastern el inaya on the east coast and now transpennine and shortly to be run by the government. so this is a kind of, you know, an argument without without justification, in my view. it's already happened. in my view. it's already happened . and. okay. i'd like to happened. and. okay. i'd like to hrhp— happened. and. okay. i'd like to that h— happened. and. okay. i'd like to bring in harrison— i ' “i okay. i'd like to bring in harrison griffiths now. the— bring in harrison griffiths now. the ha— bring in harrison griffiths now. the tta ,— bring in harrison griffiths now. the tta , ae— bring in harrison griffiths now. the iea , one of— bring in harrison griffiths now. the iea , one of the big the iea, one of the big obstacles,— the iea, one of the big obstacles, of- the iea, one of the big obstacles, of course , harrison obstacles, of course, harrison wawtt— obstacles, of course, harrison wawttla— obstacles, of course, harrison wawttla hwpe— obstacles, of course, harrison would a huge initial cost of

would be a huge initial cost of hwyhg— would be a huge initial cost of hwyhp hast— would be a huge initial cost of buying back the— would be a huge initial cost of buying back the companies from prtwate— buying back the companies from private ownership. _ buying back the companies from private ownership. boris johnson ptaeet— private ownership. boris johnson ptaeet tt— private ownership. boris johnson ptaeet tt as— private ownership. boris johnson placed it as high— private ownership. boris johnson placed it as high as £196 httttah— placed it as high as £196 httttah a— placed it as high as £196 billion, a stratospheric sum of rhahey— billion, a stratospheric sum of rhahey haw— billion, a stratospheric sum of money. how much money would it east— money. how much money would it east tar— money. how much money would it east tar the— money. how much money would it cost for the government to buy hast— cost for the government to buy past the — cost for the government to buy back the railways— cost for the government to buy back the railways and put it water— back the railways and put it under public— back the railways and put it under public ownership? this is not under public ownership? this is hat ah— under public ownership? this is not an insignificant sum of rhahey— not an insignificant sum of rhahey ts— not an insignificant sum of rhahey ts tt— not an insignificant sum of rhahey ts tt e— not an insignificant sum of money, is it ? absolutely not. money, is it? absolutely not. art— money, is it? absolutely not. art yeah.— money, is it? absolutely not. and yeah, about— money, is it? absolutely not. and yeah, about just- money, is it? absolutely not. and yeah, about just under £200 billion, it would be a significant fiscal outlay . and significant fiscal outlay. and the question is to do ti“ �*" is“ �*" is and the question is to do what eaaetty— the question is to do what exaetty ts— the question is to do what exactly is this? i“ exactly is this? this has already been said. we have a sttwattah— already been said. we have a situation where _ i“ we have a situation where network rail, the infrastructure that whterphs— the infrastructure that underpins the rail system , is underpins the rail system, is atreaty— underpins the rail system, is already nationalised. the trahehtse— already nationalised. the franchise system was even though you franchise system was even though yaw att— franchise system was even though yaw ttt see— franchise system was even though you did see some— franchise system was even though you did see some improvements wtth— you did see some improvements wtth passenger— you did see some improvements with passenger journeys doubling hetweeh— with passenger journeys doubling hetweeh thew— with passenger journeys doubling between 1997 and— with passenger journeys doubling between 1997 and 2019 was very rhweh— between 1997 and 2019 was very rhweh hat— between 1997 and 2019 was very much not perfect— between 1997 and 2019 was very much not perfect .— between 1997 and 2019 was very much not perfect . government much not perfect. government were effectively— much not perfect. government were effectively just handing out were effectively just handing awtthe— were effectively just handing out the rights— were effectively just handing out the rights that they already had out the rights that they already hatlrwh— out the rights that they already had-run-railways- out the rights that they already had run railways to had to run the railways to prtwate— had to run the railways to private operators. so it would be private operators. so it would he a— private operators. so it would be a significant— private operators. so it would be a significant fiscal outlay aha— be a significant fiscal outlay aht tt-s— be a significant fiscal outlay and is hat— be a significant fiscal outlay and it's not exactly clear what wawtt— and it's not exactly clear what wawtt shahae. — and it's not exactly clear what would change. in— and it's not exactly clear what would change. in fact, under the sawerhrheh-st— would change. in fact, under the government's existing plans,

where— government's existing plans, where-sata— government's existing plans, where-sat .— government's existing plans, where,-said , we- government's existing plans, where, said , we already where, as we said, we already have— where, as we said, we already have a— where, as we said, we already have a very— where, as we said, we already have a very significant government- have a very significant government intervention in the seetr— government intervention in the sector,-passenger- sector, the new passenger serwee— sector, the new passenger service franchise agreements wawtt— service franchise agreements would - strictly - service franchise agreements would strictly specify would very strictly specify rwtes— would very strictly specify rwtes .— would very strictly specify routes , prices— would very strictly specify routes , prices and timetables routes, prices and timetables aha— routes, prices and timetables and any— routes, prices and timetables aht ahty awe— routes, prices and timetables and only give potential new aperatars— and only give potential new operators the— and only give potential new operators the ability to take ahawt— operators the ability to take ahawt oats— operators the ability to take about 0.5% mark up. so the government's— about 0.5% mark up. so the government's already basically setthp— government's already basically setthe the— government's already basically setting the agenda, the routes, the infrastructure— setting the agenda, the routes, the infrastructure and critically, _ the infrastructure and critically, the prices centrally. - critically, the prices centrally. so what exactly it wawtt— centrally. so what exactly it wawtt ta.— centrally. so what exactly it wawtt ta. t— centrally. so what exactly it would do, i don't know. but what i would do, i don't know. but what t — would do, i don't know. but what tea say— would do, i don't know. but what tea say ts— would do, i don't know. but what i can say is that— would do, i don't know. but what i can say is that looking at the trahspart— i can say is that looking at the transport system— i can say is that looking at the transport system we have had and the sswes— transport system we have had and the we— transport system we have had and the issues we had,— transport system we have had and the issues we had, particularly shee— the issues we had, particularly the— the issues we had, particularly since the outbreak of the covid pahterhte— since the outbreak of the covid pahterhte .— since the outbreak of the covid pahterhte . t— since the outbreak of the covid pandemic. i think— since the outbreak of the covid pandemic. i think i think we have— pandemic. i think i think we have thet— pandemic. i think i think we have mick lynch— pandemic. i think i think we have mick lynch there bombing in wett— have mick lynch there bombing in war, he-s— have mick lynch there bombing in well, he's always— have mick lynch there bombing in well, he's always a— have mick lynch there bombing in well, he's always a man with sarhethhg— well, he's always a man with sarhethha ta— well, he's always a man with something to say. ' g something to say. apologies for that. that audio interruption. if we can just kill that off momentarily. i want to bring httary— momentarily. i want to bring httary satt— momentarily. i want to bring httary satt h— momentarily. i want to bring hilary salt in here,- momentarily. i want to bring hilary salt in here, if- eat i want to bring hilary salt in here, if i can. httary— hilary salt in here, if i can. httary. httary— hilary salt in here, if i can. httary. httary .— hilary salt in here, if i can. hilary, hilary , i'm- hilary salt in here, if i can. hilary, hilary , i'm old- hilary salt in here, if i can. hilary, hilary , i'm old enough hilary, hilary, i'm old enough to remember the days of british rail when it was nationalised the first around. the first time around. i remember endless remember the endless cancellation waiting in cancellation and the waiting in

the cold. remember british rail sahtwtehes— the cold. remember british rail sandwiches being— tititti remember british rail sandwiches being the kind of had— sandwiches being the kind of taat that— sandwiches being the kind of food that make— sandwiches being the kind of food that make prisoner go on food that make a prisoner go on hwhger— food that make a prisoner go on hunger strike? _ food that make a prisoner go on hunger strike? �*ftt�*i“s food that make a prisoner go on hunger strike? g: hunger strike? what be so good about bringing them back into nationalisation this time around . we've gone from we've gone from loads of noise to not having hilary to the nationalised because of the emergency measures under which the train operating companies are are working there still are those interface forces between all these different bodies . and all these different bodies. and clearly there's a cost to i ittitti and clearly there's a cost to the hattah— clearly there's a cost to the hattah at— clearly there's a cost to the nation of organising and hahttarha— nation of organising and monitoring all those different htertaees— monitoring all those different htertaees .— monitoring all those different interfaces , which to me seems interfaces, which to me seems the— interfaces, which to me seems the yaw— interfaces, which to me seems the yaw thaw.— interfaces, which to me seems like you know, money down the trah— like you know, money down the trah reatty— like you know, money down the trah reatty .— like you know, money down the drain really . the— like you know, money down the drain really . the other thing like you know, money down the drain really. the other thing i that— drain really. the other thing i that ts— drain really. the other thing i think is quite— drain really. the other thing i think is quite important here is that— think is quite important here is that tt-s— think is quite important here is that is easy— think is quite important here is that it's easy to— think is quite important here is that it's easy to criticise rail warerst— that it's easy to criticise rail warerst tar— that it's easy to criticise rail workers for going on strike. but remember, these— workers for going on strike. but remember, these are people whae— remember, these are people he hat— remember, these are people who've had their contracts stwptt— who've had their contracts stwptt trarh — who've had their contracts stupid from one organisation to ahather— stupid from one organisation to ahather trarh — stupid from one organisation to another from year— stupid from one organisation to another from year to year. it's, tt-s— another from year to year. it's, tt-s tatrty— another from year to year. it's, it's fairly unsurprising that perhaps— it's fairly unsurprising that perhaps they— it's fairly unsurprising that perhaps they have not too much tayatty— perhaps they have not too much tayatty ta— perhaps they have not too much loyalty to those _ perhaps they have not too much loyalty to those organising

hattahs— loyalty to those organising nations who— loyalty to those organising nations who happen to employ therh — nations who happen to employ therh thts— nations who happen to employ them this year. _ nations who happen to employ them this year. ' i �*" nations who happen to employ them this year. ' “i �*" “sti them this year. and if we had a nationalised body in which we could all be proud as well as our rail workers could be proud , where you have continuity of employment and people can really make a commitment to that business and making that business and making that business better. i think that would improve things for us . all would improve things for us. all batus because the train service at present— batus because the train service at present h— batus because the train service at present in the— batus because the train service at present in the uk more or tess— at present in the uk more or tess thet— at present in the uk more or tess that at— at present in the uk more or less kind of breaks even total expehtttwre— less kind of breaks even total expenditure is— less kind of breaks even total expenditure is about £23 billion per year. — expenditure is about £23 billion per year. ratat— expenditure is about £23 billion per year. total income is round ahawt— per year. total income is round ahawt the— per year. total income is round about the same— per year. total income is round about the same give or take 21.3 hattah.— about the same give or take 21.3 httttah. hwt— about the same give or take 21.3 billion. but 13— about the same give or take 21.3 billion. but 13 billion of that. it billion. but 13 billion of that. tt ts— billion. but 13 billion of that. tt ts hahey— billion. but 13 billion of that. it is money that— billion. but 13 billion of that. it is money that the government atreaty— it is money that the government atreaty pwrhps— it is money that the government atreaty pwrhps h— it is money that the government already pumps in to support the hetwart.— already pumps in to support the hetwart. sa— already pumps in to support the network. so two— already pumps in to support the network. so two thirds of the erret— network. so two thirds of the current money— network. so two thirds of the current money going in is atreaty— current money going in is already government money. so swrety— already government money. so swrety that— already government money. so surely that makes— already government money. so surely that makes a case for, wett— surely that makes a case for, war, tt— surely that makes a case for, well, if we're _ surely that makes a case for, well, if we're paying for this anyway— well, if we're paying for this anyway .— well, if we're paying for this anyway . why— well, if we're paying for this anyway , why not go the full hog anyway, why not go the full hog . warrhah— anyway, why not go the full hog . warrhah ah.— anyway, why not go the full hog . norman oh, sorry, you're

asthg— . norman oh, sorry, you're asthg rhe— . norman oh, sorry, you're asking me. well, look, i mean, asking me. well, look, i mean, as t— asking me. well, look, i mean, as t say.— asking me. well, look, i mean, as t say. the— asking me. well, look, i mean, as i say, the system is already hasteatty— as i say, the system is already basically nationalised . in my basically nationalised. in my wew— basically nationalised. in my the— basically nationalised. in my view, the contracts are let, and trah— view, the contracts are let, and trah epahres— view, the contracts are let, and train companies do— view, the contracts are let, and train companies do what they're tatt— train companies do what they're tatt ta— train companies do what they're tatt ta rwh— train companies do what they're tatt ta a— train companies do what they're told to run a timetable , all told to run a timetable, all aeearthg— told to run a timetable, all aeeartha ta— told to run a timetable, all according to the- told to run a timetable, all according to the government's wtshes— according to the government's wtshes ah— according to the government's wishes on prices— according to the government's wishes on prices ,_ according to the government's wishes on prices , which the wishes on prices, which the gawerhrheht— wishes on prices, which the government, by— wishes on prices, which the government, by and large, sets wtth— government, by and large, sets wtth rathe— government, by and large, sets with rolling stock.— government, by and large, sets with rolling stock. that the government, by and large controls. i mean i don't quite clear what nationalisation means unless it means that the government itself runs all the trains, which i do think is what the labour party means. you know, the labour party- you know, the labour party talks ahawt— know, the labour party talks ahawt hws— know, the labour party talks about bus system and says it wants— about bus system and says it wants the— about bus system and says it wants the london model rolled out across the _ wants the london model rolled out across the country, but hwses— out across the country, but hwses hwt— out across the country, but buses but the _ out across the country, but buses but the london model for hwses— buses but the london model for hwses ts— buses but the london model for hwses ts ae— buses but the london model for buses is one where— buses but the london model for buses is one where the routes are determined— buses is one where the routes are determined centrally and the wee— are determined centrally and the prtee ts— are determined centrally and the price is determined. but private companies run the services and that's what's happening now on the railways. so i'm not quite clear what nationalisation would do, but there's no point in spending money because the spending any money because the government's got levers. it can pull now control the pull now to control the railways. absolutely so any money would be spent with money it would be spent with your my view, your waste of money, in my view, it can achieve what it

it can it can achieve what it wants now without having to buy anything okay harrison, i anything back. okay harrison, i want you anything back. okay harrison, i want-yaw-sarhei anything back. okay harrison, i want-you-some ofi want to bring you into some of the—aha- want to bring you into some of the—aha atsai want to bring you into some of| the—and also the the numbers here and also the taet— the numbers here and also the taet that— the numbers here and also the fact that-journeys- fact that train journeys themselves— fact that train journeys themselves are on the wane. we-we— themselves are on the wane. we've seen a massive decline shee— we've seen a massive decline the— we've seen a massive decline since the pandemic, and people are since the pandemic, and people pathe— since the pandemic, and people pahp ta— since the pandemic, and people are going to reclaim the tories aha— are going to reclaim the tories aht gat— are going to reclaim the tories and we've got keir starmer sayha— and we've got keir starmer sayhg the— and we've got keir starmer saying the right to work from harne— saying the right to work from home should— saying the right to work from home should illegal . right? home should be illegal. right? teapte— home should be illegal. right? people reprogramming how people are reprogramming how they— people are reprogramming how they wart.— people are reprogramming how they wart. why— people are reprogramming how they work, why nationalised now when— they work, why nationalised now when hwrhersh— they work, why nationalised now when numbers are— they work, why nationalised now when numbers are down and more to when numbers are down and more ta the— when numbers are down and more ta the ratat— when numbers are down and more to the point, will— when numbers are down and more to the point, will it— when numbers are down and more to the point, will it even be eheapere— to the point, will it even be cheaper? people— to the point, will it even be cheaper? people only really care ahawt— cheaper? people only really care ahawt eheaper— cheaper? people only really care about cheaper service, don't they— about cheaper service, don't they e— about cheaper service, don't they a yeah— about cheaper service, don't they ? yeah, absolutely . i“ they? yeah, absolutely. so in the— they? yeah, absolutely. so in the aftermath— they? yeah, absolutely. so in the aftermath of— they? yeah, absolutely. so in the aftermath of covid, as you'd expect, during the pandemic, passenger dropped quite passenger numbers dropped quite significantly. that's you know, not it shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody, but since the the pandemic , it has the end of the pandemic, it has rebounded and reached new rebounded and reached a new equilibrium, still much equilibrium, which is still much lower passenger numbers lower than the passenger numbers were the covid outbreak were before the covid outbreak in so we have a situation in 2020. so we have a situation now where people are using the rail system far more to take long journeys than necessarily to commute to work as you might

expect, with more people working from home and more people changing their lifestyles to move big cities like move away from big cities like london and out into suburbs and commuter belt cities . and what commuter belt cities. and what that should mean in any normal sector is that there has to be innovation. they have to the new rail service has to adapt to that and do what functioning markets do, which is to give consumers the best possible experience at the lowest possible price . and this goes possible price. and this goes back to a point that hilary made that i back to a point that hilary made thati can back to a point that hilary made that i can understand to some extent , which that i can understand to some extent, which is that while you have these different have all of these different bureaucracies we have to bureaucracies that we have to manage and keep track of, wouldn't be better to just do wouldn't it be better to just do it? well, definitely it? well, i can definitely understand argument, but understand the argument, but that little bit that would it's a little bit like well, why like saying, well, why do we send to school? send children to school? why don't in the don't we just put them in the workplace? competition does workplace? what competition does is learn exactly is it helps us learn exactly what consumers want, what the material resources and infrastructure of the rail network can actually deliver and reconciles those two things together as different competing organisations try different

things in order to create the best possible outcomes we can't know centrally at any given moment what the perfect timetable is, what the perfect number of passengers and number of passengers is, and certainly not the perfect certainly not what the perfect price that's the price is. and that's the function competition takes function that competition takes . and needed now more than . and it's needed now more than ever. . and it's needed now more than ever . when british going ever. when british rail is going into a new situation with a very new customer base and needs to make , yeah, it's the make innovations, yeah, it's the absolute possible time to absolute worst possible time to nationalise an industry where the is just going the government is just going to set targets centrally, set arbitrary targets centrally, which are going to cater to politicians interests unions politicians interests and unions interests our interests. interests and not our interests. yeah, i'd to bring yeah, hilary, i'd like to bring you— yeah, hilary, i'd like to bring yaw-twa— yeah, hilary, i'd like to bring you-two points.- yeah, hilary, i'd like to bring you two points. first you in there. two points. first of you in there. two points. first at-tawrheys— you in there. two points. first of-journeys are - you in there. two points. first of journeys are now only of all, journeys are now only era-ete— of all, journeys are now only ere-eta at— of all, journeys are now only 46.6% of pre—pandemic levels. so you 46.6% of pre—pandemic levels. so yaw ea— 46.6% of pre—pandemic levels. so yaw argue— 46.6% of pre—pandemic levels. so yaw argue the— 46.6% of pre—pandemic levels. so you can argue the timing isn't rtght. — you can argue the timing isn't rtght. aha— you can argue the timing isn't rtpht. aha aw— you can argue the timing isn't right. and now look at the strttes— right. and now look at the strikes. you _ right. and now look at the strikes. you say- right. and now look at the strikes. you say you're in tar— strikes. you say you're in tar at— strikes. you say you're in favour of strikes, but surely if the— favour of strikes, but surely if the tt— favour of strikes, but surely if the tt the— favour of strikes, but surely if the if the national rail was hrawght— the if the national rail was brought into— the if the national rail was brought into government awhershtp— brought into government awhershtp .— brought into government ownership , that would place him ownership, that would place him at-ahsatwte— ownership, that would place him at-absolute mercy- ownership, that would place him at absolute mercy of unions at the absolute mercy of unions aha— at the absolute mercy of unions aha-hare— at the absolute mercy of unions aha-hare sa— at the absolute mercy of unions and-more so if— at the absolute mercy of unions and-more so if the- at the absolute mercy of unions and more so if the labour and even more so if the labour party— and even more so if the labour party eat— and even more so if the labour party pat hta— and even more so if the labour party got into power. the timing tsp-t— party got into power. the timing tsh-t rtaht— party got into power. the timing tsh-t rteht tar— party got into power. the timing isn't right for nationalisation, isn't right for nationalisation, tslhttary — isn't right for nationalisation, is.hilary well,- isn't right for nationalisation, is.hilary well, i-

isn't right for nationalisation, is hilary lattice e is it? hilary well, i think it's important to just be really clear about this idea that there's a competitive market for there's a competitive market for the provision of rail services, because i do think that's not quite right, because there are very few people who are able to pitch for this kind of work. they're very long term contracts. they're very complex contracts. they're very complex contracts . us and as we've seen contracts. us and as we've seen what this this whole idea of competition in this market has led to is foreign ownership of all our train operating companies. and that to me seems quite wrong. and it seems to me that that's not something that would happen in any of our european neighbours countries. we go back to thatcher's ideas of introducing this competition. theidea of introducing this competition. the idea was it was meant to, you know, unleash some real good competition from uk organisations and that's certainly not happened, which is why i think we need to think again. now. clearly it is a time of change and a time where things are very volatile and unpredictable about how people might get back to things like working in offices and taking

rail journeys. but at the same time , i think people need to be time, i think people need to be given the confidence that rail journeys they will journeys work before they will kind of vote with their feet and get train. and one of the get on a train. and one of the many people from manchester is going struggling next going to be struggling next weekend to to a cup weekend trying to get to a cup final . and, you know, we really final. and, you know, we really need as consumers to be able to trust our our provision provider of rail services . and i think a of rail services. and i think a nationalised provider would be much more trusted . okay. i have much more trusted. okay. i have to stop much more trusted. okay. i have ta stap tt— much more trusted. okay. i have ta stap tt there.— much more trusted. okay. i have to stop it there. norman- .ti.“ “tit”ti; i okay. i have to stop it there. norman baker , to stop it there. norman baker, harrtsah— to stop it there. norman baker, harrison griffiths,— to stop it there. norman baker, harrison griffiths, hilary salt, thaht— harrison griffiths, hilary salt, thaht yaw— harrison griffiths, hilary salt, thaht yaw tar— harrison griffiths, hilary salt, thank you for joining harrison griffiths, hilary salt, thank you forjoining us on a thank you for joining us on a tahtastte— thank you for joining us on a fantastic debate— thank you for joining us on a fantastic debate and i think the taathatt—a- fantastic debate and i think the football—a great- fantastic debate and i think the football a great one. football analogy is a great one. we football analogy is a great one. we-a— football analogy is a great one. we-a football.- football analogy is a great one. we a football. we're now we invent a football. we're now terrthte—the- we invent a football. we're now terrible _the world i terrible at that on the world stage. — terrible at that on the world stage-invented- terrible at that on the world stage. invented railways and stage. we invented railways and we-he— stage. we invented railways and we-be terrible- stage. we invented railways and we be terrible that. we seem to be terrible at that. aha—att— we seem to be terrible at that. aha—att-restl we seem to be terrible at that. and—all-rest of| and cricket and all the rest of it. and cricket and all the rest of t. _thaw— and cricket and all the rest of tt-thaw-yaw- and cricket and all the rest ofi it. _know-you think and cricket and all the rest of it.a know you think and cricket and all the rest of it.a huge know you think and cricket and all the rest of it.a huge topic you think and cricket and all the rest of it.a huge topic you're'ou think and cricket and all the rest of it.a huge topic you're watching is a huge topic you're watching aha— is a huge topic you're watching aha-eh— is a huge topic you're watching aha-eh wews- is a huge topic you're watching and gb news saturday and listen to gb news saturday wtth— and listen to gb news saturday wtth-marth— and listen to gb news saturday with martin daubney. coming with me. martin daubney. coming up, with me. martin daubney. coming wp—wttz— with me. martin daubney. coming up,_ulez expansion| up, sadiq khan's ulez expansion ahhweset— up, sadiq khan's ulez expansion arrhweset ta— up, sadiq khan's ulez expansion continues to come— up, sadiq khan's ulez expansion continues to come under fire. earhpatghers— continues to come under fire. earhpatphers are— continues to come under fire. campaigners are gathering to pratest— campaigners are gathering to protest against— campaigners are gathering to protest against this tyrannical tax.— protest against this tyrannical tax. hwt— protest against this tyrannical tax. but first,— protest against this tyrannical tax. but first, let's take a taat— tax. but first, let's take a taat at— tax. but first, let's take a look at the _ tax. but first, let's take a look at the weather with greg. hatta— look at the weather with greg. hetta there. — look at the weather with greg. hello there. i'm—

look at the weather with greg. hello there. i'm greg- look at the weather with greg. hello there. i'm greg jewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news news weather forecast. well, we've got rain arriving across the north—west of the uk over the next 24 hours. but sunshine holding on further south east yuan. quite warm south and east yuan. quite warm feeling too , looking at the feeling too, looking at the bigger that bigger picture as that rain moves north—west. do moves into the north—west. we do have colder air following it. and sweeps its way and this sweeps its way southwards later sunday, but more so into monday, giving a chilly feel to things for the start of next week. but it is been a lovely day out there across much of the uk this afternoon and into the evening time. it generally stays dry though into the early hours. the low cloud starts to slip its way back south, westwards across parts england, northern parts of england, northern ireland and scotland will see the cloud thicken. outbreaks of rain moving in under any clear spells in between temperatures dipping into single figures. so a fresh start to sunday, but for many quite cloudy picture outbreaks of rain across northern and western parts of the uk. further south and east, we'll see low cloud. but that should lift and break to give plenty of sunshine into the

afternoon. perhaps 1 or 2 showers the main showers ahead of the main frontal will only frontal system which will only slowly push way southwards slowly push its way southwards behind it. it will brighten up across northwestern parts of northern ireland and scotland, but turning fresher here, temperatures reaching the temperatures only reaching the mid teens. whilst we should see highs in the sunshine in the south—east degrees highs in the sunshine in the soutthe ast degrees highs in the sunshine in the soutthe evening degrees highs in the sunshine in the soutthe evening time, degrees highs in the sunshine in the soutthe evening time, this ees into the evening time, this front continues to push its way south eastwards. everyone south eastwards. so everyone seeing a bit of rain by the end of the day, clear spells and showers following into the early hours scotland northern showers following into the early hours andtland northern showers following into the early hours and thed northern showers following into the early hours and the rain northern showers following into the early hours and the rain just rthern ireland. and the rain just starting to make its hand in the far southeast here. temperatures holding up in double figures, a bit chillier. further north and west to start monday, 5 or 6 degrees, but that will be welcomed with some sunshine and a few showers across the highlands through the day. the risk of showers in places front may just hold on to the far southeast to give some splashes of rain. but feeling fresher for everyone. showers everyone. further showers tuesday, but it should be drier by wednesday

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right on the london border being dragged into this tax quarter of a million cars being pulled in and half £1 billion of extra tax per year . and half £1 billion of extra tax per year. these kind of boroughs got some of the cleanest air in all of london. i'm expecting people out there are very much against ulez. people out there are very much against ulez . that's very much against ulez. that's very much brazier people have been here this morning representing orpington . right? so the support orpington. right? so the support is actually so massive for this this protest. you can't even hear theo chikomba but i do know a bit about this, so i'm going to tell you about it. so i was involved in a launch this week for mayoral campaign with for the mayoral campaign with a guy cox, who's guy called howard cox, who's actually today. and i do actually there today. and i do know that the political fight around the london mayoralty has become very highly charged around ulez. it's seen as a very unfair tax. it originally started, of course, in zone one in the congestion zone. it was actually an idea of boris johnson's to cut down on the pollution in the innermost areas

of london. then over the years it's gradually been expanded. in october last year, it was expanded to cover where i live in south—east london, rendering my diesel car useless £12.50 a day to drive erg a sentiment echoed by lots and lots of people to come back to theo when we got him away from those noisy horns . and in the meantime we'll horns. and in the meantime we'll go back to him in a second. but then you've been getting in touch with all your views today on and the on the rail strikes and the deadlock unions and deadlock between the unions and the pay. point the government over pay. a point on from ian, who says, on that is from ian, who says, i'm working class and have worked in many union controlled environments and disagree with their mantra of disruption and have neverjoined a union. the work ethic i was taught when plastering was pride and to always give 100, no matter what wages you agreed to work for. you know, ian, a lot of people agree with that. and we're doing agree with that. and we're doing a section on the strikes right after this. and i will put it quite simply, mick the grinch

lynch stole christmas . now he's lynch stole christmas. now he's trying to steal the fa cup final . should we nationalise the rails a time when people are rails at a time when people are stopping to use them can't stopping to use them and can't even of all even rely on them because of all of these strikes? abbie has also beenin of these strikes? abbie has also been in touch with another point on the same topic. she says the train drivers are highly paid as it is and get a lot of perks and good mr lynch says good pensions. if mr lynch says this strike today wasn't targeted and he simply blind to the truth. abbie, a lot of people agree. and the fact that it's around the cup final is cynical. it's designed to cause maximum pain. but that's what strikes do, right? you remember the nightmare we had at christmas when were trying to christmas when we were trying to get we get around the country and we just couldn't do so because of the rail demands. and i think the rail demands. and i think the court of public opinion is very much swaying against these now. but it feels like groundhog day, it ? it's just the day, doesn't it? it's just the same old same old story on the railways. has the next railways. dave has the next point on the same topic. mick lynch is always moaning about only getting below inflation pay rise offers. but it would be

interesting if he was challenged to advise the pay levels his members currently receive . i members currently receive. i think the amount they make is higher than he'd like people to know and of course, david, a lot of talk about how much of people talk about how much pay of people talk about how much pay lynch is on. he's pay mick lynch is on. he's hardly short of a bob or two. and don't forget, of course , and don't forget, of course, everybody who goes on strike doesn't get paid. that seen doesn't get paid. will that seen the rank and file train drivers waning in their interests that remains to be seen. another point on the same topic is from richard no thanks to nationalisation of the railways. it would be madness . nationalisation of the railways. it would be madness. i'm nationalisation of the railways. it would be madness . i'm totally it would be madness. i'm totally opposed to return to filthy coaches and surly staff. of course, richard is harking back to the so—called good old days or british rail. we talked about that in our debate earlier in the show with norman baker. i remember british rail when it was unreliable . trains were was unreliable. trains were cancelled all the time . the food cancelled all the time. the food was terrible. the carriages were cold, and they were, of course, totally at the mercy rail totally at the mercy of rail unions. so that's the way it was then. so keep your views coming in. please subscribe to our

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? yes i suppose. well, the sound we heart— ? yes i suppose. well, the sound we heard earlier— ? yes i suppose. well, the sound we heard earlier tells— 7” “tits well, the sound we heard earlier tells the stay.— we heard earlier tells the stay. that-s— we heard earlier tells the story. that's what people have been— story. that's what people have been hearthp— story. that's what people have been hearing here since the earty— been hearing here since the earty hawrs— been hearing here since the early hours of— been hearing here since the early hours of this morning, startet— early hours of this morning, started about— early hours of this morning, started about 12, but some came eartter— started about 12, but some came eartter h— started about 12, but some came eartter th the— started about 12, but some came earlier in the day— started about 12, but some came earlier in the day yesterday to swrprtse— earlier in the day yesterday to swrprtse rhahy— earlier in the day yesterday to surprise many people or maybe sarhethhg— surprise many people or maybe something strange at tfl message. lots- something strange at tfl message. lots of people reminding them about ulez coming in at the expansion of it coming in at the expansion of it coming in in august and this morning i've had the privilege of speaking to some of the people here and we're also kindly joined denise will as well. joined by denise will as well. this afternoon. thank you all so much for your time . denise, just much for your time. denise, just tell me why you're here and why this is important to you . so this is important to you. so i work for fowl, farm so i work for fowl, farm animal rescue. we're an- work for fowl, farm animal rescue. we're an animal rescue sapetwary— rescue. we're an animal rescue sahetwary. we— rescue. we're an animal rescue sanctuary. we rescue and rehome soo— sanctuary. we rescue and rehome over 500 animals— sanctuary. we rescue and rehome over 500 animals each year. so that-s— over 500 animals each year. so thats eats. — over 500 animals each year. so that's cats, dogs,— over 500 animals each year. so that's cats, dogs, rabbits, guinea pigs, you name it. we rescue them . unfortunately, our rescue them. unfortunately, our ahtrhat— rescue them. unfortunately, our animal ambulance— rescue them. unfortunately, our animal ambulance is— ”titstiiti; unfortunately, our animal ambulance is not ulez earhpttaht— animal ambulance is not ulez earhpttaht . — animal ambulance is not ulez compliant . it's— animal ambulance is not ulez compliant . it's just- animal ambulance is not ulez compliant . e �*iz�*t compliant. it's just over 12 years old. so we're trying to

raise some funds to buy a new air ambulance. that would be wttz— air ambulance. that would be ulez compliant.— ” i that would be ulez compliant. otherwise we'd be ulez compliant. otherwise we'd he tareet— ulez compliant. otherwise we'd he tareet ta— ulez compliant. otherwise we'd he tareet ta pay— ulez compliant. otherwise we'd be forced to pay the £12.50 eharae — be forced to pay the £12.50 eharpe every— be forced to pay the £12.50 charge every day we use our arhhwtahee— charge every day we use our ambulance almost every day for wtstts— ambulance almost every day for wtstts ta— ambulance almost every day for wtstts ta the— ambulance almost every day for visits to the vets,— ambulance almost every day for visits to the vets, whether it's for visits to the vets, whether it's tar a— visits to the vets, whether it's tar a rawthe— visits to the vets, whether it's for a routine operation such as hewterhe— for a routine operation such as hewterhe ar— for a routine operation such as neutering or for— for a routine operation such as neutering or for medical erherpehey— neutering or for medical erherpehey ts— neutering or for medical emergency is we also use the wehtete— emergency is we also use the wehtete ta— emergency is we also use the vehicle to rescue— emergency is we also use the vehicle to rescue animals from ehwrahrhehst— vehicle to rescue animals from environments where they've been swtterhg— environments where they've been swtterhp trarh — environments where they've been suffering from abuse or neglect . sa— suffering from abuse or neglect . sa we— suffering from abuse or neglect . sa we atten— suffering from abuse or neglect . so we often are— suffering from abuse or neglect . so we often are called out to tats— . so we often are called out to rescue lots of— . so we often are called out to rescue lots of animals, all at ttrhe. — rescue lots of animals, all at the. se— rescue lots of animals, all at one time. so we— rescue lots of animals, all at one time. i i“ iti; one time. so we need a vehicle that we can carry on doing that work. denise, that we can carry on doing that work . denise, thank you. we'll work. denise, thank you. we'll move now onto— denise, thank you. we'll move now onto where you live taeatty— move now onto where you live taeatty h— move now onto where you live locally in this— move now onto where you live locally in this area— move now onto where you live locally in this area . locally in this area. tell me ahawt— locally in this area. tell me about some of changes you've about some of the changes you've had to make in regards ulez had to make in regards to ulez as course. well, i'm as well, of course. well, i'm also as well, of course. well, i'm atsa the— as well, of course. well, i'm also the chairman- as well, of course. well, i'm also the chairman of- titit. well, i'm also the chairman of the environment— also the chairman of the environment committee on the eawhett— environment committee on the council-well. _ environment committee on the council-well. and- environment committee on the council well. and locally, council as well. and locally, thts— council as well. and locally, thtslhawhp— council as well. and locally, this-having a— council as well. and locally, this having a serious impact this is having a serious impact that— this is having a serious impact that t— this is having a serious impact that t have— this is having a serious impact that t have my— this is having a serious impact that i have my own gardening hwshess— that i have my own gardening business. i've— that i have my own gardening business. i've just had to fork awt— business. i've just had to fork awt hearty— business. i've just had to fork out nearly £30,000 for a new van that— out nearly £30,000 for a new van that ts— out nearly £30,000 for a new van that ts wttz— out nearly £30,000 for a new van that is ulez compliant in a cost of that is ulez compliant in a cost at hwrhe— that is ulez compliant in a cost of living crisis,— that is ulez compliant in a cost of living crisis, adding extra eash— of living crisis, adding extra eash hits— of living crisis, adding extra cash bills onto— of living crisis, adding extra cash bills onto people's already

httatet— cash bills onto people's already inflated outgoings is just it's tatatty— inflated outgoings is just it's totally unnecessary and it's tatatty— totally unnecessary and it's totally brutal. _ totally unnecessary and it's totally brutal. i“ totally brutal. in all honesty. you go around to sell hodgson's, for example , all the other for example, all the other builders, merchants, a lot of people are saying come august, we're packing up. i was talking to a we're packing up. i was talking ta a guy— we're packing up. i was talking ta a gwy ahty— we're packing up. i was talking ta a gwy ahty the— we're packing up. i was talking to a guy only the other- ”ti; i “ti i. i was talking to a guy only the other day . he to a guy only the other day. he sat— to a guy only the other day. he satt he— to a guy only the other day. he satt he was— to a guy only the other day. he said he was going— to a guy only the other day. he said he was going to cost him over £100,000— said he was going to cost him over £100,000 to— said he was going to cost him over £100,000 to get his fleet of over £100,000 to get his fleet at ahs— over £100,000 to get his fleet at wttz— over £100,000 to get his fleet of vans ulez compliant. the reswtt— of vans ulez compliant. the reswtt at— of vans ulez compliant. the result of that— of vans ulez compliant. the result of that is— of vans ulez compliant. the result of that is that three peapte— result of that is that three peapte are— result of that is that three people are going to be looking for people are going to be looking tar a— people are going to be looking tar a ew— people are going to be looking tar a tah— people are going to be looking for a new job in— people are going to be looking for a new job in august. e for a new job in august. it's going— for a new job in august. it's going ta— for a new job in august. it's even going to the- for a new job in august. it's even going to the council level. my even going to the council level. my ward of mottingham is a reeaphtset— my ward of mottingham is a recognised area— my ward of mottingham is a recognised area of social and economic deprivation. now now i'm economic deprivation. now now th th— economic deprivation. now now the th the— economic deprivation. now now i'm in the fortunate position where— i'm in the fortunate position where t— i'm in the fortunate position where t ea— i'm in the fortunate position where i can just— i'm in the fortunate position where i can just about afford to buy— where i can just about afford to hwy a— where i can just about afford to hwy a ew— where i can just about afford to hwy a ah— where i can just about afford to buy a new van. but i've got single— buy a new van. but i've got shpte hwrhe— buy a new van. but i've got single mums, i've got nurses , single mums, i've got nurses, twe— single mums, i've got nurses, we eat— single mums, i've got nurses, we eat sehaat— single mums, i've got nurses, i've got school teachers all earthe— i've got school teachers all earhhp ta— i've got school teachers all earhhp ta rhe— i've got school teachers all coming to me and saying, look, we cannot actually— coming to me and saying, look, we cannot actually afford to buy a new vehicle. _ we cannot actually afford to buy a new vehicle. and— we cannot actually afford to buy a new vehicle. and as a result we reatty— a new vehicle. and as a result we are really facing a backs to the— we are really facing a backs to the watt— we are really facing a backs to the wall situation. _ we are really facing a backs to the wall situation. it really is

awte— the wall situation. it really is awtte a— the wall situation. it really is quite a desperate and unkempt, passtahate— quite a desperate and unkempt, passionate situation that the maya— passionate situation that the ttayar at— passionate situation that the mayor of london has put the peapte— mayor of london has put the peapte at— mayor of london has put the people of bromley in here. well thank— people of bromley in here. well thank yaw— people of bromley in here. well thank yaw sa— people of bromley in here. well thank you so much for that. ' i thank you so much for that. and stateh— thank you so much for that. and sthah t— thank you so much for that. and shear. t swppase— thank you so much for that. and simon, i suppose this— thank you so much for that. and simon, i suppose this amount of people tells you the story and how important this is to this local area. what's your message to the mayor? well it's important to the whole of london, not this area. london, not just this area. this not about air quality. this is not about air quality. tt-s— this is not about air quality. tt-s-spehthp— this is not about air quality. it's-spending £1- this is not about air quality. it's spending £1 million to it's like spending £1 million to tt- — it's like spending £1 million to save £1. that's— it's like spending £1 million to save £1. that's how- it's like spending £1 million to save £1. ” save £1. that's how ridiculous it is. but my message to the mayor of london is this. i challenge you, mr khan , to stop challenge you, mr khan, to stop the rollout of ulez and the expansion of it . have the rollout of ulez and the expansion of it. have an election. there's an election next year. i challenge you to stand up and face the electorate . you know, there was a consultation and all the people in the consultation said , we in the consultation said, we don't want it. i know you're frightened of the electorate, but let's put it to the electorate and let them decide, not you . simon will, denise, not you. simon will, denise, thaht— not you. simon will, denise, thaht yaw— not you. simon will, denise, thaht yaw att— not you. simon will, denise, thank you all so— simon will, denise, thank you all so much for your the. — thank you all so much for your the. wett— thank you all so much for your time. well, as— thank you all so much for your time. well, as you- thank you all so much for your time. i time. well, as you heard from all of them, they are passionate

about their area. they don't want to see this expansion come into place here. but also in the rest of london, many people have been here and they will be here throughout the afternoon. and i don't think this is going to go away, the away, particularly with the expansion ulez in into expansion of ulez coming in into place in august this year. theo chikomba, thank you- place in august this year. theo chikomba, thank you so- i“ d theo chikomba, thank you so much for that— chikomba, thank you so much for that repart— chikomba, thank you so much for that report today— chikomba, thank you so much for that report today from orphptah. — that report today from orpington. i- that report today from orpington. i just wish that we hat— orpington. i just wish that we hat e— orpington. i just wish that we hat at— orpington. i just wish that we had more of that— orpington. i just wish that we had more of that kind of stuff on had more of that kind of stuff ah the— had more of that kind of stuff ah the tetty. — had more of that kind of stuff on the telly. you— had more of that kind of stuff on the telly. you know, real peapte— on the telly. you know, real peapte-ahawt- on the telly. you know, real. people-about-real people telling about their real wartt—as- people telling about their real world—as their- world experiences as their hwshesses— world experiences as their businesses-and- world experiences as their businesses and they can't businesses close and they can't attart— businesses close and they can't attart lteep— businesses close and they can't afford keep vehicles on afford to keep their vehicles on the-paarest- afford to keep their vehicles on the poorest people are the road. the poorest people are being— the road. the poorest people are tetra—pwhtttwe- being hit by this punitive tax, whteh— being hit by this punitive tax, which-course— being hit by this punitive tax, which course give bit of which of course give a bit of hatapee— which of course give a bit of balance. con— which of course give a bit of balance. con does it's balance. con does insist it's ahawt—thesel about clean air, but these peapte— about clean air, but these peapte aah-t— about clean air, but these people don't agree. they think her— people don't agree. they thinki their—cleaned their wallets are being cleaned awt.— their wallets are being cleaned out. fantastic— their wallets are being cleaned out. fantastic report. and you any— out. fantastic report. and you ahty aet— out. fantastic report. and you ahty pet that— out. fantastic report. and you only get that kind reporting only get that kind of reporting only get that kind of reporting an eh— only get that kind of reporting an eh-otay— only get that kind of reporting on gb-okay. onto- only get that kind of reporting on gb okay. onto our next on gb news. okay. onto our next stary— on gb news. okay. onto our next stary tatay. — on gb news. okay. onto our next stary tatay. the— on gb news. okay. onto our next story today. the chancellor says the taht— story today. the chancellor says the want at— story today. the chancellor says the bank of england's latest hterest— the bank of england's latest interest rate _ the bank of england's latest interest rate rise— the bank of england's latest interest rate rise will prove ehattehphp— interest rate rise will prove challenging for— interest rate rise will prove challenging for families with mandates.— challenging for families with mandates-a- challenging for families with mortgages. - a .of l challenging for families with mortgages. a of an mortgages. that's a bit of an understatement,— mortgages. that's a bit of an understatement, isn't it? the tat-s— understatement, isn't it? the wt-s eehtrat— understatement, isn't it? the uk's central raised uk's central bank raised rates for uk's central bank raised rates tar the— uk's central bank raised rates tar the nth— uk's central bank raised rates for the 12th time— uk's central bank raised rates for the 12th time in a row in an attempt— for the 12th time in a row in an attempt ta— for the 12th time in a row in an attempt to tackle—

for the 12th time in a row in an attempt to tackle inflation. the pant-s— attempt to tackle inflation. the haht-s hase— attempt to tackle inflation. the bank's base rate— attempt to tackle inflation. the bank's base rate has increased by a— bank's base rate has increased by a water— bank's base rate has increased by a awarter at— bank's base rate has increased by a awarter at a— bank's base rate has increased by a quarter of a percentile paht— by a quarter of a percentile paht trarh — by a quarter of a percentile point from 4.25— by a quarter of a percentile point from 4.25 to 4.5, the htphest— point from 4.25 to 4.5, the highest level— point from 4.25 to 4.5, the highest level in- point from 4.25 to 4.5, the highest level in 15 years. well, joining— highest level in 15 years. well, joining rhe— highest level in 15 years. well, joining rhe aw— highest level in 15 years. well, joining me now is— highest level in 15 years. well, joining me now is chief economic atwser— joining me now is chief economic atwser at— joining me now is chief economic atwser at the— joining me now is chief economic adviser at the centre for the teaharhte— adviser at the centre for the economic and— adviser at the centre for the economic and business research , economic and business research, vtety— economic and business research, vtety thee— economic and business research, vtety trtee .— economic and business research, vicky price . hello— economic and business research, vicky price . hello to you again, vicky price. hello to you again, vtety. — vicky price. hello to you again, vtety. tt— vicky price. hello to you again, vtety. tt sees— vicky price. hello to you again, vicky. it seems every time we speak.— vicky. it seems every time we speak. satty— vicky. it seems every time we speak, sadly it's— vicky. it seems every time we speak, sadly it's depressing tar— speak, sadly it's depressing news for mortgage owners . can news for mortgage owners. can yaw— news for mortgage owners. can yaw give— news for mortgage owners. can yaw awe ws— news for mortgage owners. can yaw give ws ah— news for mortgage owners. can you give us an idea of how many peapte— you give us an idea of how many peapte ae— you give us an idea of how many peapte going— you give us an idea of how many people are going to— you give us an idea of how many people are going to be pulled tata— people are going to be pulled hta these— people are going to be pulled into these interest rates and what— into these interest rates and what that— into these interest rates and what that means for the average rhartaage— what that means for the average hartgape-e — what that means for the average hartgape-e hes.- what that means for the average mortgage-? yes, it's- what that means for the average mortgage ? “tits e ”titsiiyt mortgage owner? yes, it's really interesting because of course, a very substantial percentage of people have fixed mortgages. they're going have look at they're going to have to look at those rates again when the time comes for them to do so. but something like 9% of kyiv people with mortgages have the so—called standard variable rate mortgages, which do go up in line with interest rate increases of the type. we've just seen by the bank of england and then also you have about 7% on tracker mortgages . those also

on tracker mortgages. those also are going up. it's slightly different formula, but they're also affected by short term rates. those with longer term mortgages , of course, are mortgages, of course, are dependent a lot more on what happensin dependent a lot more on what happens in the yield market. in other words, bonds have an interest rate attached to them . interest rate attached to them. and if those interest rates go up as they have done, then the fixed rate mortgages they have to pay when they come due are affected quite considerably. but by the interest rates there. so there is a link, but not the direct link with what happened with the bank of england's interest rate increase for those homeowners who don't have either variable or tracker mortgages. okay vicky. now, hiking interest rates— okay vicky. now, hiking interest rates ts— okay vicky. now, hiking interest rates ts a— okay vicky. now, hiking interest rates is a tool— okay vicky. now, hiking interest rates is a tool of— . {q now, hiking interest rates is a tool of controlling the— rates is a tool of controlling the eey— rates is a tool of controlling the economy during times of high spent.— the economy during times of high speht. during— the economy during times of high spend, during boom times , people spend, during boom times, people are spend, during boom times, people spehthp— spend, during boom times, people are spending money now, but not thraweh— are spending money now, but not thrawph ehatee— are spending money now, but not through choice .— are spending money now, but not through choice . they're spending through choice. they're spending rhahey— through choice. they're spending money-increased— through choice. they're spending money increased food prices, money on increased food prices, on money on increased food prices, ah wttttty— money on increased food prices, on utility bills,— money on increased food prices, on utility bills, on— money on increased food prices, on utility bills, on everything. so on utility bills, on everything. sa wheres— on utility bills, on everything. so where's the _ on utility bills, on everything. so where's the logic in hereasha— so where's the logic in increasing interest rates to get peapte— increasing interest rates to get peapte eawpht— increasing interest rates to get peapte eawght h— increasing interest rates to get people caught in a pincer

movement?— people caught in a pincer movement? so- people caught in a pincer movement? so they're getting harhrheret. — movement? so they're getting hammered. what— movement? so they're getting hammered. what they spend in the shaps— hammered. what they spend in the shaps aha— hammered. what they spend in the shaps and at— hammered. what they spend in the shops and at the— hammered. what they spend in the shops and at the pump. and again . petthp— shops and at the pump. and again . petthp aw— shops and at the pump. and again , getting now hammered on their rhartpaae. — , getting now hammered on their rhartaaae. _haheyi , getting now hammered on their m means less money. , getting now hammered on their m means less quality money. , getting now hammered on their mmeans less quality of money. , getting now hammered on their m means less quality of life ney. , getting now hammered on their mmeans less quality of life . i. it means less quality of life. watt.— it means less quality of life. well, absolutely.— it means less quality of life. well, absolutely. so- it means less quality of life. well, absolutely. so if- it means less quality of life. well, absolutely. so if you've seen what's been going on with with food prices and you're quite right to highlight that and thing is and the interesting thing is that lower end of that people at the lower end of the pay scale, of course, spend most their food, most of their money on food, which up. so which has been going up. so significantly energy , significantly and on energy, which up a which again had been going up a lot, even though it's the international oil cost of energy, whether it's oil or gas, has come down very significantly. seen that significantly. we've seen that a little at the pumps, but we little bit at the pumps, but we haven't necessarily seen this with bills yet. so it with our house bills yet. so it is an issue. and of course, it huns is an issue. and of course, it hurts a lot if you also happen to have a mortgage , then those to have a mortgage, then those increases we've seen increases that we've seen recently are very significant. and the calculation is and i think the calculation is that had on a one of that if you had been on a one of those mortgages , for those tracker mortgages, for example, what you end up with is having to pay something like 260 or thereabouts pounds per month more because of all these increases we've seen since 2021

increases we've seen since 2021 in interest rates. and if you were on that variable one, you actually have to pay something like 400 plus a month extra that is huge. but of course quite a lot of people at the lower end of the pay scale don't have mortgages . they have the rent or mortgages. they have the rent or of course they're in council property . rent, of course, as we property. rent, of course, as we know, have gone up very significantly in london by more than the of inflation. so than the rate of inflation. so the calculation is that the latest calculation is that it's somewhere between 12 and 15% higher than they were a year ago. so that serious, ago. so that is a serious, serious for them. so you serious problem for them. so you ask, what is the logic of increasing interest rates? it's very because very interesting because the governor of the bank of england said the point of it is to make borrowing for households and ed house and businesses , of course, house and businesses, of course, more expensive. so they spend less. well, great. but if you haven't got enough money anyway to live on, then that basically means falling into poverty for many households, which are already experiencing of course, already experiencing of course, a real squeeze in living standards. and of course, despite the increase in interest

rates, inflation has carried on being in double digits. so you do wonder what the point of it is. vicky prior to think, many peapte— is. vicky prior to think, many peapte at— is. vicky prior to think, many peapte at harhe— vicky prior to think, many people at home will echo that sehttrheht. — people at home will echo that sentiment. they'll scratching sentiment. they'll be scratching thetr—yawr- their heads. thanks for your hpwt— their heads. thanks for your input--_ their heads. thanks for your hpwt-. tt— their heads. thanks for your hpwt-. tt-rhei their heads. thanks for your- input-. it-me like input today. it feels to me like the government— input today. it feels to me like the government into the government got us into httttahs— the government got us into billions—debtl billions of pounds of debt awhe— billions of pounds of debt during lockdowns they're during lockdowns and now they're mathe— during lockdowns and now they're hathp ws— during lockdowns and now they're making us-their_ during lockdowns and now they're making us their bills. making us pay their bills. that-s— making us pay their bills. that's-take.- making us pay their bills. that's take. okay, making us pay their bills.- that's-take. okay, next that's just my take. okay, next stary— that's just my take. okay, next stary-we-re— that's just my take. okay, next story we're getting ever story now we're getting ever etaser— story now we're getting ever etaser ta— story now we're getting ever closer to-all_ story now we're getting everi closer to-all-and closer to the all singing and all closer to the all singing and at taheha— closer to the all singing and at tahehp .— closer to the all singing and all dancing . and perhaps this all dancing. and perhaps this y...— all dancing. and perhaps this y... the— all dancing. and perhaps this year, the controversial year, the all controversial twrawstah— year, the all controversial eurovision song contest final eurovision song contest filial tiie eurovision song contest final the wt— eurovision song contest final the wt ts— eurovision song contest final the uk is hosting this year on hehatt— the uk is hosting this year on hehatt at— the uk is hosting this year on behalf of last— the uk is hosting this year on behalf of last year's winner, whethe— behalf of last year's winner, ukraine. well,— behalf of last year's winner, ukraine. well, let's go live to ttwerpaat— ukraine. well, let's go live to liverpool now,— ukraine. well, let's go live to liverpool now, where the 67th twrawstah— liverpool now, where the 67th eurovision will— liverpool now, where the 67th eurovision will be— liverpool now, where the 67th eurovision will be taking place tater— eurovision will be taking place tater thts— eurovision will be taking place later this evening. and join me trarh — later this evening. and join me now from liverpool is gb news warthwest— now from liverpool is gb news northwest reporter sophie ripa. hetta— northwest reporter sophie ripa. hetta ta— northwest reporter sophie ripa. hetta ta yaw.— northwest reporter sophie ripa. hello to you, sophie. looks etartaws— hello to you, sophie. looks glorious and— hello to you, sophie. looks glorious and it— hello to you, sophie. looks glorious and it looks sunny. is there— glorious and it looks sunny. is there rhweh— glorious and it looks sunny. is there much sunny— glorious and it looks sunny. is there much sunny sentiment, thaweh— there much sunny sentiment, thaweh .— there much sunny sentiment, thawph . ahawt— there much sunny sentiment, though , about britain getting though, about britain getting thah— though, about britain getting more than nil— though, about britain getting more than nil point this year. wett— more than nil point this year. wett. hetta— more than nil point this year. well, hello from _ more than nil point this year. well, hello from a— more than nil point this year. well, hello from a very- more than nil point this year. well, hello from a very sunny liverpool. we're only just over six hours away now from the big

eurovision final . we mentioned eurovision final. we mentioned nil there. i think we've got a good chance of being in the top five. i don't think we'll win, but i really don't think we'll be getting nil. now, the atmosphere here in liverpool is absolute electric. everybody is here soaking it in. now. you mention one of the loveliest parts of eurovision this year is that we're actually hosting it on behalf of ukraine down here in liverpool. now all week i've been speaking to ukrainian refugees who have told me that it's an honour for it to be hosted in this city and that so far everything they've seen liverpool is doing a phenomenal job. now, joining me to talk a little bit about that is maria and sergey. they are artists from ukraine. they came over to liverpool last year. and also joining us is rosanna, their translator. she's going to be helping us out with this interview now . rosanna, tell me interview now. rosanna, tell me about what it means to the guys to have eurovision hosted on behalf of ukraine here in

liverpool where they dumas to liverpool. my eurovision tool ehest— liverpool. my eurovision tool chest tattooed _ my eurovision tool chest tattooed litvinenko arnie vtety. — chest tattooed litvinenko arnie vtety. what— chest tattooed litvinenko arnie vtety. what ta— chest tattooed litvinenko arnie vicky, what do akua ukraine is . vicky, what do akua ukraine is. wtrahe— vicky, what do akua ukraine is. ukraine nostro_ vicky, what do akua ukraine is. ukraine nostro cindy yu como tt-s— ukraine nostro cindy yu como tt-s a— ukraine nostro cindy yu como tt-s a huge— ukraine nostro cindy yu como it's a huge privilege privilege it's a iiuge privilege privilege for it's a huge privilege privilege tar ws— it's a huge privilege privilege tar ws ta— it's a huge privilege privilege tar ws ta he— it's a huge privilege privilege for us to be here— it's a huge privilege privilege for us to be here in liverpool aha— for us to be here in liverpool and tar— for us to be here in liverpool and tar tt— for us to be here in liverpool and tar tt ta— for us to be here in liverpool and for it to host— for us to be here in liverpool and for it to host be hosting twrawstah— and for it to host be hosting eurovision on— and for it to host be hosting eurovision on behalf of ukraine. the— eurovision on behalf of ukraine. the peapte— eurovision on behalf of ukraine. the peapte are— eurovision on behalf of ukraine. the people are so— eurovision on behalf of ukraine. the people are so welcoming doi“9r_ the people are so welcoming tang, they-re— the people are so welcoming doing, they're sort of captured doilig, tiiey're sort of captured the doing, they're sort of captured the sptrtt— doing, they're sort of captured the sptrtt at— doing, they're sort of captured the spirit of ukraine. so yeah, the spirit of ukrailie. so yeah, we the spirit of ukraine. so yeah, we teet— the spirit of ukraine. so yeah, we teet very— the spirit of ukraine. so yeah, we feel very lucky to be here. rts— we feel very lucky to be here. we reatty— we feel very lucky to be here. it's really heartwarming- we feel very lucky to be here. it's really heartwarming to hear now we heard yesterday that president zelenskyy has been barred from speaking at this eurovision . would they have eurovision. would they have liked to have heard from their president, zelenskyy yeah . anas president, zelenskyy yeah. anas sarwar natasha zelenskyy- i / anas sarwar natasha zelenskyy himars warty-e—

sarwar natasha zelenskyy himars wartte wtrahe-s— sarwar natasha zelenskyy himars nortje ukraine's delegate kwasi yaki nortje ukraine's delegate kwasi watt thts— nortje ukraine's delegate kwasi yaki this snow— nortje ukraine's delegate kwasi yaki this snow to— nortje ukraine's delegate kwasi yaki this snow to ukraine ehcr hwse— yaki this snow to ukraine ehcr krusevo velika_ yaki this snow to ukraine ehcr krusevo velika privilege chest of krusevo velika privilege chest at rhhtster— krusevo velika privilege chest of minister culture of ukraine of liiiliister culture of ukrailie ili of minister culture of ukraine th heter— of minister culture of ukraine in peter murrell_ of minister culture of ukraine in peter murrell ukraine's akua ili peter murrell ukraine's akua to in peter murrell ukraine's akua ta he— in peter murrell ukraine's akua ta he whteh— in peter murrell ukraine's akua to he which petrenko ukraine weta. — to he which petrenko ukraine weta. waah. — to he which petrenko ukraine veto. yeah. so— to he which petrenko ukraine veto. yeah. so it- to he which petrenko ukraine veto. “tits i“ so it would have veto. yeah. so it would have peep— veto. yeah. so it would have been reatty— veto. yeah. so it would have been really nice— veto. yeah. so it would have been really nice for- veto. “tits i“ so it would have been really nice for obviously been really liice for obviously for been really nice for obviously for president— been really nice for obviously for president zelenskyy to speak. — for president zelenskyy to speak. hwt— for president zelenskyy to speak. but here in liverpool, you— speak. but here in liverpool, yaw thaw— speak. but here in liverpool, yaw thaw .— speak. but here in liverpool, you know , there— speak. but here in liverpool, you know , there are a lot of you know, there are a lot of a tat— you know, there are a lot of a tat at— you know, there are a lot of a lot of representatives from wtrahe. — lot of representatives from ukraine. yesterday we had the prtwttepe— ukraine. yesterday we had the prtwtege at— ukraine. yesterday we had the privilege of meeting the ambassador— privilege of meeting the ambassador of ukraine, the ewttwrat— ambassador of ukraine, the cultural minister of . ukraine, cultural minister of. ukraine, andr— cultural minister of. ukraine, aha. yaw— cultural minister of. ukraine, aha. yaw thaw.— cultural minister of. ukraine, and, you know, the whole of ttwerpaat— and, you know, the whole of ttwerpaat ts— and, you know, the whole of liverpool is behind well, the whate— liverpool is behind well, the whate at— liverpool is behind well, the whole of the _ liverpool is behind well, the whole of the world. i think the tree— whole of the world. i think the free western _ whole of the world. i think the free western world is behind . free western world is behind. wtrahe— free western world is behind. wtrahe aha— free western world is behind. ukraine and yes— free western world is behind. ukraine and yes .— free western world is behind. ukraine and yes . yeah, amazing. ukraine and yes. yeah, amazing. thank— ukraine and yes. yeah, amazing. that yaw— ukraine and yes. yeah, amazing. that yaw sa— ukraine and yes. yeah, amazing. thank you so much— ukraine and yes. yeah, amazing. thank you so much for— ukraine and yes. yeah, amazing. thank you so much for joining us, guys . i think the

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the rails ? but first, it's your the rails? but first, it's your news headlines. and here's rory . thank you very much , martin. . thank you very much, martin. the— . thank you very much, martin. the tatest— . thank you very much, martin. the latest from _ . thank you very much, martin. the latest from the— thank you very much, martin. the latest from the gb newsroom . a eatt— the latest from the gb newsroom . a eatt has— the latest from the gb newsroom . a call has been— the latest from the gb newsroom . a call has been made for a speetat— . a call has been made for a special summit— . a call has been made for a special summit to bring an end special summit to brilig an elid to special summit to bring an end ta the— special summit to bring an end ta the taste— special summit to bring an end to the toxic rail— special summit to bring an end to the toxic rail dispute at war. — to the toxic rail dispute at war. whtah— to the toxic rail dispute at rmt. union boss mick lynch has wrttteh— rmt. union boss mick lynch has wrttteh ta— rmt. union boss mick lynch has written to the— rmt. union boss mick lynch has written to the government eatthe — written to the government eatthe tar— written to the government calling for a— written to the government calling for a meeting with an htepehteht— calling for a meeting with an independent chair, if necessary, ilidepelidelit ciiair, if liecessary, to independent chair, if necessary, ta eha— independent chair, if necessary, ta eat what— independent chair, if necessary, to end what he's— independent chair, if necessary, to end what he's described as ehaas— to end what he's described as ehaas ah— to end what he's described as ehaas ah the— to end what he's described as chaos on the railways. well, it comes as passengers face yet ahather— comes as passengers face yet ahather tay— comes as passengers face yet another day of— comes as passengers face yet another day of disruption with warerst— another day of disruption with workers again— another day of disruption with workers again joining picket thes— workers again joining picket thes .— workers again joining picket thes . ware— workers again joining picket lines . more strikes are set to lilies. more strikes are set to be lines. more strikes are set to he heta— lines. more strikes are set to he hett ah— lines. more strikes are set to be held on the— lines. more strikes are set to be held on the 31st of may and be iield on the 31st of may alid tiie be held on the 31st of may and the era— be held on the 31st of may and the art at— be held on the 31st of may and the 3rd of june.— be held on the 31st of may and the 3rd of june. that's the day of the 3rd of june. that's the day at the— the 3rd of june. that's the day at the ta— the 3rd of june. that's the day at the ta ewp— the 3rd of june. that's the day of the fa cup final at wembley. the— of the fa cup final at wembley. the wrrhah-s— of the fa cup final at wembley. the union's general secretary is htarhhe— the union's general secretary is htarhhe the— the union's general secretary is blaming the government for tatthe— blaming the government for tattha ta— blaming the government for failing to negotiate. this government— failing to negotiate. this government is determined to keep government is deterliiilied to keep this government is determined to keep thts ttspwte— government is determined to keep this dispute going— government is determined to keep this dispute going because they-we— this dispute going because they-we pat— this dispute going because they've got issues in in health aha— they've got issues in in health care and with— they've got issues in in health care and with the— they've got issues in in health care and with the nurses and the taetars— care and with the nurses and the taetars .— care and with the nurses and the taetars . wtth— care and with the nurses and the doctors , with the—

care and with the nurses and the doctors , with the teachers, and doctors, with the teachers, and they-re— doctors, with the teachers, and they-re tryhp— doctors, with the teachers, and they-re tryhp ta — doctors, with the teachers, and they're trying to clamp down on working— they're trying to clamp down on warthp peapte-s— they're trying to clamp down on working people's pay so that they— working people's pay so that they ea— working people's pay so that they can transfer— working people's pay so that they can transfer that wealth to tiiey cali tralisfer tiiat wealth to they can transfer that wealth to the rteh — they can transfer that wealth to the rteh peapte— they can transfer that wealth to the rich people of— they can transfer that wealth to the rich people of this society where— the rich people of this society where dividends— the rich people of this society where dividends and profits are wiiere dividends alid profits are up where dividends and profits are up .— where dividends and profits are wp . the— where dividends and profits are wp . the staet— where dividends and profits are up , the stock exchange is up , up, the stock exchange is up, the— up, the stock exchange is up, the eey— up, the stock exchange is up, the economy is— up, the stock exchange is up, the economy is growing, but they want— the economy is growing, but they want ta— the economy is growing, but they want ta ta— the economy is growing, but they want to do that— the economy is growing, but they want to do that on— the economy is growing, but they want to do that on the basis of taw— want to do that on the basis of taw pay. — want to do that on the basis of taw pay. aha— want to do that on the basis of low pay. and we're- want to do that on the basis of low pay. ' “i ”ti; want to do that on the basis of low pay. and we're not prepared to accept that price . testers to accept that price. testers are demonstrating- ii titi; testers are demonstrating against the prapaset— are demonstrating against the prapaset wttz— are demonstrating against the proposed ulez expansion plan. the— proposed ulez expansion plan. the tahtah— proposed ulez expansion plan. the london mayor's proposal to eapahe— the london mayor's proposal to expand the— the london mayor's proposal to expand the ultra— the london mayor's proposal to expand the ultra low emission eawtt— expand the ultra low emission zone could potentially reach the heat— zone could potentially reach the tent harter— zone could potentially reach the tent harter hy— zone could potentially reach the kent border by august. some awter— kent border by august. some outer london— kent border by august. some outer london boroughs, along wtth— outer london boroughs, along wtth swrrey— outer london boroughs, along with surrey county council, tawhehet— with surrey county council, launched legal— with surrey county council, launched legal action in tehrwary— launched legal action in february over- launched legal action in february over the proposed etehstah— february over the proposed extension protest leaders say it wttt— extension protest leaders say it wttt hwrt— extension protest leaders say it will hurt them.— extension protest leaders say it will hurt them. finance parttatty— will hurt them. finance parttatty .— will hurt them. finance partially. sir- will hurt them. finance partially. sir keir starmer will hurt them. finance partially . sir keir starmer says partially. sir keir starmer says tahawr— partially. sir keir starmer says tahawr ts— partially. sir keir starmer says tahawr ts ah— partially. sir keir starmer says labour is on track— partially. sir keir starmer says labour is on track ahead of the heat— labour is on track ahead of the heat generat— labour is on track ahead of the next general election, but atrhtttet— next general election, but admitted more— next general election, but admitted more work needs to be tape— admitted more work needs to be tahe during— admitted more work needs to be tahe twrhg a— admitted more work needs to be done during a speech in london, done durilig a speech ili london, the done during a speech in london, the teater— done during a speech in london, the leader set— done during a speech in london, the leader set out— done during a speech in london, the leader set out his hope to ehahee— the leader set out his hope to ehahpe the— the leader set out his hope to change the entire— the leader set out his hope to change the entire culture of his party — change the entire culture of his party. he— change the entire culture of his party. he atsa— change the entire culture of his party. he also said he expects heat— party. he also said he expects next years— party. he also said he expects next year's campaign to get

why— next year's campaign to get ttrty aha— next year's campaign to get dirty and nasty— next year's campaign to get dirty and nasty after labour's taeat— dirty and nasty after labour's local election— dirty and nasty after labour's local election success. the tahawr— local election success. the tahawr earty— local election success. the labour party will only restore hape— labour party will only restore hape h— labour party will only restore hape th the— labour party will only restore hope in the country if we once aeah— hope in the country if we once apah heee— hope in the country if we once again become the— hope in the country if we once again become the natural vehicle agaili become the liatural vehicle for again become the natural vehicle tar wartha— again become the natural vehicle for working people— again become the natural vehicle for working people , an agent for for working people, an agent for her— for working people, an agent for thetr hapes— for working people, an agent for their hopes and— for working people, an agent for their hopes and aspirations, a party— their hopes and aspirations, a party at— their hopes and aspirations, a party at the— their hopes and aspirations, a party of the common good . \tittt party of the common good. now, peapte— party of the common good. now, some people think— party of the common good. now, some people think that all we're doing is distancing ourselves from the previous regime. well, we are, but that misses- ”titi well, we are, but that misses the paht.— we are, but that misses the paht. thts— we are, but that misses the paht. thts ts— we are, but that misses the point. this is about taking our party— point. this is about taking our party haet— point. this is about taking our party haet ta— point. this is about taking our party back to where we belong . party back to where we belong. going— party back to where we belong. going heme— party back to where we belong. going home owners— party back to where we belong. going home owners are- party back to where we belong. going home owners are being warned. there's more mortgage pah— warned. there's more mortgage path ta— warned. there's more mortgage path ta ee— warned. there's more mortgage path ta .— warned. there's more mortgage pain to come . the— i there's more mortgage pain to come . the resolution pain to come. the resolution tawhtattah— pain to come. the resolution foundation found that the growing— foundation found that the growing popularity of fixed rates— growing popularity of fixed rates aha— growing popularity of fixed rates and longer term deals that— rates and longer term deals means that many borrowers are liiealis that liialiy borrowers are yet means that many borrowers are yet ta— means that many borrowers are yet ta see— means that many borrowers are yet ta the— means that many borrowers are yet to see the impact of rising hterest— yet to see the impact of rising interest rates.— yet to see the impact of rising interest rates. well, this week, iliterest rates. well, this week, the interest rates. well, this week, the taht— interest rates. well, this week, the tank at— interest rates. well, this week, the bank of england increased tiie balik of eliglalid ilicreased tiie the bank of england increased the tase— the bank of england increased the base rate— the bank of england increased the base rate from 4.25% to 4.5. traperty— the base rate from 4.25% to 4.5. hraperty expert— the base rate from 4.25% to 4.5. property expert richard blanco

tatt— property expert richard blanco tatt ws— property expert richard blanco tatt ws the— property expert richard blanco told us the market is slowing tawh. — told us the market is slowing tawh. we— told us the market is slowing down. we have— told us the market is slowing down. �*titt�*ti; i“ told us the market is slowing down. i“ down. we have seen the market get a little bit more buoyant and again, it's you know, it's defying expectations because we did expect prices to fall. anything between 5 and 12% this yeah anything between 5 and 12% this year. and the market doesn't seem to be suffering quite as badly as we'd expected. so again, some surprises there. of course , we know from the bank of course, we know from the bank of england that we're not expecting to into recession this year to go into recession this year after all, and that's one of the reasons why the bank of england is still putting rates up. the government has ii it.w “g i. the government has defended sat tests— government has defended sat tests sayha— government has defended sat tests saying they're supposed to tests sayilig they're supposed to be tests saying they're supposed to he ehattehphp— tests saying they're supposed to be challenging for year six stwtehts. — be challenging for year six students. it's— be challenging for year six students. e “i i students. it's after hundreds of parents complained that the exam was too difficult and left some pupils in tears. was too difficult and left some pupils in tears . well, the pupils in tears. well, the national association of head teachers has also raised concerns and plans to take the issue up with the schools regulator. quual chairman of the campaign for real education , chris mcgovern, told us that difficult sats are beneficial . difficult sats are beneficial. well, we can't really make them

any — well, we can't really make them any tt— well, we can't really make them any easier. it wouldn't change the trtwhp— any easier. it wouldn't change the driving test— any easier. it wouldn't change the driving test would be to hate— the driving test would be to hate tt— the driving test would be to make it easier. _ the driving test would be to make it easier. so i'm sorry ehtttreh— make it easier. so i'm sorry children were— make it easier. so i'm sorry children were upset, but maybe heease— children were upset, but maybe because their— children were upset, but maybe because their schools were taetet— because their schools were locked down _ because their schools were locked down and maybe because a locked down alid maybe because a lot locked down and maybe because a tatlpresswre— locked down and maybe because a lot-pressure-teachers- lot of pressure from teachers that-s—the- lot of pressure from teachers that's the burden on that's added to the burden on ehtttrep— that's added to the burden on ehtttreh. we— that's added to the burden on children. we need the tests. and children. we need the tests. alid if children. we need the tests. and tt-was— children. we need the tests. and tt-was a— children. we need the tests. and tt-was a ragwe— children. we need the tests. and if was a rogue exam, it one if this was a rogue exam, it one wawtt— if this was a rogue exam, it one would apologise— if this was a rogue exam, it one would apologise for that. of . hwt— would apologise for that. of course . but the— would apologise for that. of course . but the principal of lvs course. but the principal of lvs aseat— course. but the principal of lvs ascot, christine _ course. but the principal of lvs ascot, christine cunniffe, says sats— ascot, christine cunniffe, says sats shawtt— ascot, christine cunniffe, says sats should be— ascot, christine cunniffe, says sats should be abolished if a ragwe— sats should be abolished if a rogue exam to— sats should be abolished if a rogue exam to a— sats should be abolished if a rogue exam to a child who's 10 rogue exam to a child wiio's 10 or rogue exam to a child who's 10 ar tt— rogue exam to a child who's 10 ar tt that— rogue exam to a child who's 10 ar tt that ts— rogue exam to a child who's 10 or 11, that is damaging and or11, that is damaging and there-s— or11, that is damaging and there-s ha— or 11, that is damaging and there's no excuse for that. e there's no excuse for that. it shawtt— there's no excuse for that. it shawtt te— there's no excuse for that. it should be checked- there's no excuse for that. it should be checked more properly. and we know that there's been exam with gcses and exam errors with gcses and a—levels. the reason why i don't agree with sats is because i do believe that it's too narrow . believe that it's too narrow. it's only english and maths science was abolished in 2010 and a right to a and children have a right to a broad and balanced curriculum . broad and balanced curriculum. and at the moment many schools who are taking sats are who are taking the sats are teaching those exams . teaching to those exams. president zelenskyy is in italy presidelit zelenskyy is ili italy for president zelenskyy is in italy tar tatts— president zelenskyy is in italy for talks with— president zelenskyy is in italy for talks with government atttetats— for talks with government officials. he's— for talks with government officials. he's met with prime tthtster— officials. he's met with prime minister giorgia— officials. he's met with prime minister giorgia meloni on his

ttrst— minister giorgia meloni on his ttrst trtp— minister giorgia meloni on his ttrst trtp ta — minister giorgia meloni on his first trip to the _ minister giorgia meloni on his first trip to the country since twssta— first trip to the country since russia invaded _ first trip to the country since russia invaded ukraine in tehrwary— russia invaded ukraine in february last— russia invaded ukraine in february last year. he then met wtth— february last year. he then met wtth ttattah— february last year. he then met with italian president sergio massa— with italian president sergio ttassa as— with italian president sergio massa as well. _ with italian president sergio massa as well. later, mr zetehstyy— massa as well. later, mr zelenskyy will- massa as well. later, mr zelenskyy will meet with pope trahets— zelenskyy will meet with pope trahets ta — zelenskyy will meet with pope francis to discuss— zelenskyy will meet with pope francis to discuss a peace rhtsstah— francis to discuss a peace ta— francis to discuss a peace mission to end- francis to discuss a peace mission to end the war with twssta— mission to end the war with twssta .— mission to end the war with russia . momentum is building russia. momentum is building aheat— russia. momentum is building aheat at— russia. momentum is building ahead of tonight's final of the twrawstah— ahead of tonight's final of the eurovision song— ahead of tonight's final of the eurovision song contest in ttwerpaat. — eurovision song contest in liverpool. the— eurovision song contest in liverpool. the uk's entry may ttwetter— liverpool. the uk's entry may ttwetter. wha— liverpool. the uk's entry may mueller, who will— liverpool. the uk's entry may mueller, who will perform. i wrate— mueller, who will perform. i wrate a— mueller, who will perform. i wrate a sand— mueller, who will perform. i wrote a song, says she's ready to wrote a song, says she's ready ta get— wrote a song, says she's ready ta get the— wrote a song, says she's ready to get the show— wrote a song, says she's ready to get the show on the road. she-s— to get the show on the road. she-s ae— to get the show on the road. she-s at— to get the show on the road. she's one of 26— to get the show on the road. she's one of 26 acts to appear hetare— she's one of 26 acts to appear hetare ah— she's one of 26 acts to appear before an estimated global awttehee— before an estimated global audience of— before an estimated global audience of .— before an estimated global audience of . 160 million audience of. 160 million viewers. the— audience of. 160 million viewers. the uk agreed to host viewers. the uk agreed to iiost tiie viewers. the uk agreed to host the eahtest— viewers. the uk agreed to host the contest on— viewers. the uk agreed to host the contest on behalf of last years— the contest on behalf of last year's winner, ukraine. well, these— year's winner, ukraine. well, these taps— year's winner, ukraine. well, these fans are— year's winner, ukraine. well, these fans are very excited for tahtght— these fans are very excited for tahteht . — these fans are very excited for tonight . honestly,- these fans are very excited for tonight . ti;ti tonight. honestly, i'm married. i'm happy , and this is the best i'm happy, and this is the best day of my life . it's fantastic. day of my life. it's falitastic. i day of my life. it's fantastic. t eheap— day of my life. it's fantastic. i mean, we've been- is i ”ti; it's fantastic. i mean, we've been following for years— i mean, we've been following for years aha— i mean, we've been following for years and years— i mean, we've been following for years and years and years . soto years and years and years. soto hate— years and years and years. soto have somewhere— years and years and years. soto have somewhere that you can just jump— have somewhere that you can just twrhp ah— have somewhere that you can just twrhp an a— have somewhere that you can just twrhp an a trah— have somewhere that you can just twrhp an a trah ar— have somewhere that you can just jump on a train or not train, jumpe— jump on a train or not train, jump jump— jump on a train or not train, jumpr twrhp h— jump on a train or not train, jumpr twrhp ha a— jump on a train or not train, jump, jump in a car and get to

jump, jump iii a car alid get to it's jump, jump in a car and get to is past— jump, jump in a car and get to its twst heeh— jump, jump in a car and get to it's just been, oh,— jump, jump in a car and get to it's just been, oh, it's great. aha— it's just been, oh, it's great. and liverpool— it's just been, oh, it's great. and liverpool has excelled ttsett— and liverpool has excelled ttsett .— and liverpool has excelled itself . lots— and liverpool has excelled itself . lots of— and liverpool has excelled itself . lots of fun up in itself. lots of fun up in ttwerpaat— itself. lots of fun up in liverpool today. i“ cit liverpool today. this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now though, it's back to . to. martin thanks to. martin. l thanks for to. martin- . thanks for the ta. warth— . thanks for the update ta. warth— - thanks for the update there. thanks for the update tiiere. rory - thanks for the update there. teary tahwtaws— rory fabulous stuff. okay, let's thet— rory fabulous stuff. okay, let's wet-the— rory fabulous stuff. okay, let's kick-the hour— rory fabulous stuff. okay, let's kick the hour with this kick off the hour with this earert— kick off the hour with this earert at— kick off the hour with this corker of a _ kick off the hour with this corker of a story . kick off the hour with this corker of a story. keir kick off the hour with this corker of a story . keir starmer corker of a story. keir starmer says— corker of a story. keir starmer says-a— corker of a story. keir starmer says-a preter- corker of a story. keir starmer says a bigger task than says he has a bigger task than tony— says he has a bigger task than tahy-taeet— says he has a bigger task than tony-faced and- says he has a bigger task than tony faced and his plans tony blair faced alid iiis plalis for tony blair faced and his plans tar the— tony blair faced and his plans for the country— tony blair faced and his plans for the country will be new tahawr— for the country will be new tahawr ah— for the country will be new labour on steroids. the labour teater— labour on steroids. the labour teater wsea— labour on steroids. the labour leader used a— labour on steroids. the labour leader used a speech today to present— leader used a speech today to present hts— leader used a speech today to present his vision— leader used a speech today to present his vision for the party— present his vision for the party. tetthp— present his vision for the party, telling the audience he taesh-t— party, telling the audience he taesh-t eae— party, telling the audience he doesn't care if— party, telling the audience he doesn't care if his priority is sawht— doesn't care if his priority is sound conservative. well, let's tate— sound conservative. well, let's take a— sound conservative. well, let's take a taat— sound conservative. well, let's take a look now— sound conservative. well, let's take a look now at what he said eartter— take a look now at what he said eartter thts— take a look now at what he said earlier this morning. 3c earlier this morning. erg been wrttte— earlier this morning. erg been drifting working drifting away from working people for long time and people for a long time and that's unforgivable . that's why that's unforgivable. that's why i say this project— that's unforgivable. that's why i say this project goes- c. “ting that's why i say this project goes further aha— i say this project goes further and deeper— i say this project goes further and deeper than— i say this project goes further and deeper than new labour's rewrttha— and deeper than new labour's

rewrtthp at— and deeper than new labour's rewriting of clause four. i“ rewriting of clause four. this is rewriting of clause four. this ts ahawt— rewriting of clause four. this is about rolling— rewriting of clause four. this is about rolling up our sleeves , changing our entire culture . , changing our entire culture. it's our dna . who are we in it it's our dna. who are we ili it for it's our dna. who are we in it tar e— it's our dna. who are we in it tar e wha— it's our dna. who are we in it tar e wha ta— it's our dna. who are we in it for ? who do we— it's our dna. who are we in it for ? who do we serve? who do we for? who do we serve? who do we wate— for? who do we serve? who do we wake wp— for? who do we serve? who do we wake wp h— for? who do we serve? who do we wake wp th the— for? who do we serve? who do we wake up in the morning and fight wake up iii the liiorliilig alid fiint for wake up in the morning and fight tar wha— wake up in the morning and fight tar wha ta— wake up in the morning and fight tar wha ta we— wake up in the morning and fight for who do we have— wake up in the morning and fight for who do we have in our mind's eye— for who do we have in our mind's eye when— for who do we have in our mind's eye when we— for who do we have in our mind's eye when we hate— for who do we have in our mind's eye when we make decisions and wtth— eye when we make decisions and wtth the— eye when we make decisions and with the levels— eye when we make decisions and with the levels of— eye when we make decisions and with the levels of cynicism in pattttes— with the levels of cynicism in our politics that— with the levels of cynicism in our politics that let down the trttthp — our politics that let down the trttthp away— our politics that let down the trttthp away .— our politics that let down the drifting away , the disconnect, driftilig away, the disconnect, our drifting away, the disconnect, eattapse— drifting away, the disconnect, our collapse in— drifting away, the disconnect, our collapse in scotland, the tass— our collapse in scotland, the tass at— our collapse in scotland, the tass at the— our collapse in scotland, the loss of the red— our collapse in scotland, the loss of the red wall, this task is loss of the red wall, this task ts going— loss of the red wall, this task ts pahp ta— loss of the red wall, this task ts pahp ta he— loss of the red wall, this task is going to be ongoing, difficult— is going to be ongoing, difficult and- is going to be ongoing, difficult and enormous. c is going to be ongoing, difficult and enormous. i difficult and enormous. it is. wett— difficult and enormous. it is. wet. joining— difficult and enormous. it is. well, joining me— difficult and enormous. it is. well, joining me now is gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson. nigel, you heard nigel nelson. nigel, you iieard sir nigel nelson. nigel, you heard str tetr— nigel nelson. nigel, you heard sir keir there— nigel nelson. nigel, you heard sir keir there talking- \t tidti; \ nigel, you heard sir keir there talking about the hwge— sir keir there talking about the hwpe tewets— sir keir there talking about the huge levels of— sir keir there talking about the huge levels of cynicism in hrtttsh— huge levels of cynicism in british politics. _ huge levels of cynicism in british politics. well, call me britiin politics. well, call me a british politics. well, call me a eypte— british politics. well, call me a eyhte. awt— british politics. well, call me a cynic, but this— british politics. well, call me a cynic, but this sounds like a htataht— a cynic, but this sounds like a blatant shift— a cynic, but this sounds like a blatant shift back— a cynic, but this sounds like a blatant shift back to the blair years— blatant shift back to the blair years the— blatant shift back to the blair years. the centre— blatant shift back to the blair years. the centre ground, the that— years. the centre ground, the that hate— years. the centre ground, the final knife in— years. the centre ground, the final knife in the— years. the centre ground, the final knife in the back for earhyhtsrh — final knife in the back for earhyhtsrh .— final knife in the back for corbynism . yes, i think that's corbynism. yes, i think that's eaaetty— corbynism. yes, i think that's exaetty the— corbynism. yes, i think that's exactly the message that keir starmer— exactly the message that keir starrher ts—

exactly the message that keir starmer is trying— exactly the message that keir starmer is trying to send out tatay— starmer is trying to send out tatay . — starmer is trying to send out tatay . thts— starmer is trying to send out today . this is— starmer is trying to send out today . this is very- starmer is trying to send out today. i“ tti;”y .ti.“ starmer is trying to send out today. i“ ii“.ti“ starmer is trying to send out today . i“ today. this is very much out of the tony blair playbook . but the the tony blair playbook. but the point that i think keir is making is that reform is an ongoing process both in the labour party , motty and for the labour party, motty and for the country . and so that didn't end country. and so that didn't end with tony blair and new labour. and what keir starmer is going to do is introduce even more reforms with with with a pretty ambitious target of transforming britain . okay. we've yet to see britain. okay. we've yet to see any— britain. okay. we've yet to see any reat— britain. okay. we've yet to see any reat pattey— britain. okay. we've yet to see any real policy detail.- i“ okay. we've yet to see any real policy detail. of course, constitutional tinkering goes— course, constitutional tinkering paes tawn— course, constitutional tinkering goes down well— course, constitutional tinkering goes down well with party members. what the public really wants— members. what the public really wants ta— members. what the public really wants ta hear— members. what the public really wants to hear about is what's in wants to iiear about is what's ili it wants to hear about is what's in tt tar— wants to hear about is what's in tt tar rhe— wants to hear about is what's in tt tar rhe aha— wants to hear about is what's in it for me and thee.— wants to hear about is what's in it for me and thee. and we hater-t— it for me and thee. and we haven't seen— it for me and thee. and we haven't seen any clear data, but iiaven't seeli any clear data, but we haven't seen any clear data, but wesee-— haven't seen any clear data, but we-seehlwtaet- haven't seen any clear data, but we-seenlnigel, an- haven't seen any clear data, but we seen nigel, an 86 we have seen in nigel, an 86 page— we have seen in nigel, an 86 page-that-s- we have seen in nigel, an 86 page _that's been. we have seen in nigel, an 86- page _that's been leaked page documelit that's been leaked out page document that's been leaked awt tatthe— page document that's been leaked out talking about— page document that's been leaked out talking about the work that out talkilig about the work that the out talking about the work that the rtaht— out talking about the work that the rteht ta— out talking about the work that the right to work— out talking about the work that the right to work from home as a teeat— the right to work from home as a tepat taht— the right to work from home as a tepat rtpht great— the right to work from home as a legal right great for the eappweeha— legal right great for the cappuccino nato classes. what ahawt— cappuccino nato classes. what ahawt the— cappuccino nato classes. what about the working classes . lattice about the working classes. well atwtawsty—

about the working classes. well atwtawsty yaw— about the working classes. well obviously you can't— about the working classes. well obviously you can't work from home if you're on a building site or something like that . site or something like that. this goes much further than that. i mean, first of all, this this 86 page document is a kind of draft manifesto . and work of draft manifesto. and work will need will need to go on and will need will need to go on and will go on through the summer through labour's national policy forum, to actually refine some of the ideas there when it comes to the worker rights bit, it's not just about the right to flexibility when you're working . what is he's saying there is that there would be an employment rights bill in the first 100 days of a labour government . right. and that government. right. and that would do far more than that. people actually just stay at home. you're talking about the end of zero hours contracts, hire fire and rehire fire and rehire would disappear. the hospitality, hospitality workers would have a right to actually get the full tips that customer hours leave them. and a minimum wage would also reflect the cost of living, which it doesn't do

at the moment. oh yeah. of living, which it doesn't do at the moment . oh yeah. another at the moment. oh yeah. another thhp— at the moment. oh yeah. another thing mentioned— at the moment. oh yeah. another thing mentioned in— at the moment. oh yeah. another thing mentioned in this- oh yeah. another thing mentioned in this is the heaarahte— thing mentioned in this is the inexorable to— thing mentioned in this is the inexorable to billions of pounds spent— inexorable to billions of pounds speht spent— inexorable to billions of pounds speht speht ah— inexorable to billions of pounds spent spent on green investment. wett— spent spent on green investment. wett w-wee— spent spent on green investment. wett twst— spent spent on green investment. well, we've just been in orphptah— well, we've just been in orpington, in- well, we've just been in orpington, in kent, where thawsahts— orpington, in kent, where thousands of— orpington, in kent, where thousands of locals are turning thousands of locals are turliilig out thousands of locals are turning awt apath— thousands of locals are turning awt aeah .— thousands of locals are turning awt apah . tts— thousands of locals are turning out again . it's such a green out again. it's such a green htttattwe. — out again. it's such a green initiative. labour mayor sadiq than-s— initiative. labour mayor sadiq thah-s wttz— initiative. labour mayor sadiq khan's ulez scheme. surely more kiian's ulez scheme. surely liiore alid khan's ulez scheme. surely more and re— khan's ulez scheme. surely more and more taxation— khan's ulez scheme. surely more and more taxation dressed as satwaae— and more taxation dressed as satwage attah— and more taxation dressed as salvage ation isn't the way for the working— salvage ation isn't the way for the working man— salvage ation isn't the way for the working man or woman to go being— the working man or woman to go being taxed— the working man or woman to go hehp taxet ta— the working man or woman to go being taxed to death ? \tit ' “i beilig taxed to death? no. and the being taxed to death? no. and the tahawr— being taxed to death? no. and the tahawr ts— being taxed to death? no. and the labour is not planning to actually do this through taxation that the what? what are the key planks of what keir starmer's manifesto will look like is to try and get the fastest growth in the g7. and he will do that by greening britain. so the kind of things you're talking about, britain. so the kind of things you're talking about , there are you're talking about, there are a new warm homes plan to insulate houses that will create jobs. you're talking about doubung jobs. you're talking about doubling the amount of offshore

wind power , tripling the amount wind power, tripling the amount of solar power, quadruple the amount of offshore wind power. so all these things are designed to grow the economy . the kind of to grow the economy. the kind of investment you're going to need is about £28 billion in this. but that doesn't have to come from tax. that should come from economic growth . yeah, but solar economic growth. yeah, but solar pahets— economic growth. yeah, but solar pahets aah-t— economic growth. yeah, but solar pahets aah-t grow— economic growth. yeah, but solar panels don't grow on— i ti. 3 yeah, but solar panels don't grow on trees. you thaw.— panels don't grow on trees. you thaw. wht— panels don't grow on trees. you know, wind turbines don't grow know, wind turbilies don't grow on know, wind turbines don't grow an trees— know, wind turbines don't grow an trees . ohe— know, wind turbines don't grow on trees . one thing we on trees. one thing we continually— on trees. one thing we continually hear about is more green— continually hear about is more green tats.— continually hear about is more green tape hwt— continually hear about is more green jobs. but where are they? greeli jobs. but where are they? we green jobs. but where are they? we haweh-t— green jobs. but where are they? we haven't seen— green jobs. but where are they? we haven't seen any of those hta— we haven't seen any of those come into operation yet. nigel no.— come into operation yet. nigel wa. hwt— come into operation yet. nigel wa. hwt t— come into operation yet. nigel no, but i mean,— come into operation yet. nigel no, but i mean, labour isn't in pawer— no, but i mean, labour isn't in pawer yet.— no, but i mean, labour isn't in pawer yet. sa— no, but i mean, labour isn't in pawer yet. sa .— no, but i mean, labour isn't in pawer yet. sa . sa— no, but i mean, labour isn't in power yet, so , so this is the power yet, so, so this is the paht— power yet, so, so this is the paht ahawt— power yet, so, so this is the point about if— power yet, so, so this is the point about if they get into pawer— point about if they get into power within— point about if they get into power within the next year or 18 hahths— power within the next year or 18 rhahths thts— power within the next year or 18 months, this is— power within the next year or 18 months, this is the— power within the next year or 18 months, this is the kind of that— months, this is the kind of that they-re— months, this is the kind of thing they're going to do now tiiing tiiey're goilig to do now it's thing they're going to do now is wp— thing they're going to do now is wp ta— thing they're going to do now its wp ta the— thing they're going to do now it's up to the voters. i“ it's up to the voters. i mean, you— it's up to the voters. i mean, yaw kn...— it's up to the voters. i mean, you know, do you think that that greening britain is the way forward, that that actually will improve the economy ? arnie they improve the economy? arnie they must decide that that but that will depend very much whether you believe that climate change really is something urgent that

should be tackled . so some of should be tackled. so some of the ideas there would include that that steel would be would have zero carbon emissions by 2035. electricity would be totally clean by 2030. these are ambitious targets. they are achievable. it's then it will then be up to the voters at a general election to decide whether they want to go down that path. i think the problem there.— that path. i think the problem there. thaweh— that path. i think the problem there, though, nigel,- i think the problem there, though, nigel, we don't hate—sayhg- there, though, nigel, we don't hate—sayhe hal there, though, nigel, we don't. have—saying no to have a party tiiat's sayilig no to the have a party that's saying no to the pet— have a party that's saying no to the pet er— have a party that's saying no to the net zero religion in. they-re— the net zero religion in. they-re att— the net zero religion in. they're all the same. anyway, tet-s— they're all the same. anyway, tet-s-ah— they're all the same. anyway, let's-on .another- they're all the same. anyway, let's on another speech let's move on to another speech tatay— let's move on to another speech tatay-tatet— let's move on to another speech today. patel putting the today. priti patel putting the the— today. priti patel putting the hate thts— today. priti patel putting the knife this time— today. priti patel putting the knife this time into rishi sunak speathp— knife this time into rishi sunak speathp at— knife this time into rishi sunak speathp at the— knife this time into rishi sunak speaking at the conservative hehaeratte— speaking at the conservative democratic organisation , saying democratic organisation, saying that— democratic organisation, saying thatthe— democratic organisation, saying that the rishi— democratic organisation, saying that the rishi is— democratic organisation, saying that the rishi is managing the teethe— that the rishi is managing the teethe at— that the rishi is managing the decline of the— that the rishi is managing the decline of the tory party. him being— decline of the tory party. him being appointed— decline of the tory party. him being appointed as leader was undemocratic— being appointed as leader was undemocratic and a coronation, pwtthp— undemocratic and a coronation, pwtthp the— undemocratic and a coronation, putting the knife— undemocratic and a coronation, putting the knife in that was eertahty— putting the knife in that was eertahty ts. — putting the knife in that was certainly is. yes.- putting the knife in that was certainly is. “tits i“ certainly is. yes. i mean what priti patel is doing and in a sense what this this conference of the this new conservative democratic organisation is also doing is just continuing the

civil war that's been raging in the conservative party for the last four years. so it doesn't actually help what is what is going on. yes, she is criticising rishi sunak. yes she blames blames him for the loss of a thousand tory seats in in the local council elections . but the local council elections. but she's not coming up with is actually what you what you do about that and if the if the point of priti patel and her and her supporters is let's get bods her supporters is let's get boris johnson back, i don't think that's going to happen soon. well, nigel nelson , soon. well, nigel nelson, eertahty— soon. well, nigel nelson, certainly the— i“ well, nigel nelson, certainly the vice president of certailily the vice presidelit of the certainly the vice president of the ewe.— certainly the vice president of the ewe. tart— certainly the vice president of the cd0, lord green hall , he certainly the vice president of the cd0, lord green hall, he has sata— the cd0, lord green hall, he has satt that— the cd0, lord green hall, he has satt that the— the cd0, lord green hall, he has said that the momentum behind a parts— said that the momentum behind a boris comeback— said that the momentum behind a boris comeback is— said that the momentum behind a boris comeback is now unstoppable- boris comeback is now unstoppable . it seems to me, unstoppable. it seems to me, whet.— unstoppable. it seems to me, wtpet that— unstoppable. it seems to me, nigel, that this— unstoppable. it seems to me, nigel, that this speech is all ahawt— nigel, that this speech is all about boris,— nigel, that this speech is all about boris, the— nigel, that this speech is all about boris, the return. nigel wetsah— about boris, the return. nigel nelson, thank— about boris, the return. nigel nelson, thank you very much for tahhp— nelson, thank you very much for joining ws— nelson, thank you very much for joining ws tatay— nelson, thank you very much for joining us today on— nelson, thank you very much for joining us today on gb news satwrtay.— joining us today on gb news satwrtay. tts— joining us today on gb news saturday. it's always a pteaswre— saturday. it's always a pleasure. thank you . so our next pleasure. thank you. so our next stary— pleasure. thank you. so our next stary-wats— pleasure. thank you. so our next story nats migration to the story now nats migration to the uk story now nats migration to the wt-year— story now nats migration to the wt-year eawtt— story now nats migration to the uk year could reach uk this year could reach 1 rhttttah. — uk this year could reach 1 million. that's— uk this year could reach 1 million. that's right. 1 when.— million. that's right. 1 million. it— million. that's right. 1 million. it makes a mockery of

the etatrh — million. it makes a mockery of the claim that— million. it makes a mockery of the claim that leaving the eu wttt— the claim that leaving the eu wttt give— the claim that leaving the eu wttt owe ws— the claim that leaving the eu will give us back— the claim that leaving the eu will give us back control of our harters. — will give us back control of our borders. more— will give us back control of our borders. more than— will give us back control of our borders. more than 45,000 htorahts— borders. more than 45,000 migrants arrived on small boats liiigralits arrived on small boats ili migrants arrived on small boats th zon— migrants arrived on small boats th 2022 aha— migrants arrived on small boats in 2022 and over— migrants arrived on small boats in 2022 and over 6800 have atreaty— in 2022 and over 6800 have already crossed— in 2022 and over 6800 have already crossed the channel this year.— already crossed the channel this year. atreaty— already crossed the channel this year. already but— already crossed the channel this year. already but that's a tiny traettah— year. already but that's a tiny traettah at— year. already but that's a tiny fraction of the— year. already but that's a tiny fraction of the total number of peapte— fraction of the total number of peapte wha — fraction of the total number of peapte wha are— fraction of the total number of people who are settling in the people who are settlilig iii the uk people who are settling in the wt taeh— people who are settling in the wt taeh aha— people who are settling in the uk each and every year. well, joining— uk each and every year. well, tahho rhe— uk each and every year. well, tahho rhe aw— uk each and every year. well, joining me now is— uk each and every year. well, joining me now is immigration tawyer— joining me now is immigration tawyer war— joining me now is immigration lawyer ivan sampson and a good trteht— lawyer ivan sampson and a good there at— lawyer ivan sampson and a good friend of mine,— lawyer ivan sampson and a good friend of mine, the— lawyer ivan sampson and a good friend of mine, the director for frielid of liiilie, the director for the friend of mine, the director for the centre— friend of mine, the director for the centre for— friend of mine, the director for the centre for migration and teaharhte— the centre for migration and economic prosperity. steve von watt.— economic prosperity. steve von watt. watts— economic prosperity. steve von wolf. wolfie, i— economic prosperity. steve von wolf. wolfie, i like to start wtth— wolf. wolfie, i like to start wtth yaw— wolf. wolfie, i like to start wtth yaw .— wolf. wolfie, i like to start with you . this— wolf. wolfie, i like to start with you . this is an with you. this is an eye—watering figure for the praspeet— eye—watering figure for the praspeet at— eye—watering figure for the prospect of moving forward tawarts— prospect of moving forward tawarts t— prospect of moving forward towards 1 million net migration . haw— towards 1 million net migration . haw the— towards 1 million net migration . how the heck— towards 1 million net migration . how the heck did we get into thts— . how the heck did we get into this position?— . how the heck did we get into this position? steven well, it's etearty— this position? steven well, it's etearty hwoe— this position? steven well, it's clearly huge numbers. the total awhersh— clearly huge numbers. the total hwrhersh that— clearly huge numbers. the total numbers that are— clearly huge numbers. the total numbers that are coming into the eawhtry— numbers that are coming into the eawhtry thts— numbers that are coming into the eawhtry thts year— numbers that are coming into the country this year is— numbers that are coming into the country this year is 1.4 rhttttah. — country this year is 1.4 million. and- country this year is 1.4 million. and from that you can that— million. and from that you can that wtth— million. and from that you can see that with hong kong , ukraine see that with hong kong, ukrailie alid see that with hong kong, ukraine and thase— see that with hong kong, ukraine and those coming— see that with hong kong, ukraine and those coming over the ehahhet— and those coming over the channel, that's— and those coming over the channel, that's about 300,000.

taw— channel, that's about 300,000. vaw hat— channel, that's about 300,000. you had 260,000— channel, that's about 300,000. you had 260,000 workers. but wtth— you had 260,000 workers. but wtth that— you had 260,000 workers. but wtth that .— you had 260,000 workers. but wtth that . at— you had 260,000 workers. but with that , at 155,000 with that, at 155,000 dependents. - with that, at 155,000 dependents. but the biggest hwrherh— dependents. but the biggest hwrherh at— dependents. but the biggest number of all— dependents. but the biggest number of all came with students liumber of all caliie witii studelits at number of all came with students at hearty— number of all came with students at hearty hatt— number of all came with students at nearly half a— number of all came with students at nearly half a million and heeaw— at nearly half a million and 136,000, depending on that. so that-s— 136,000, depending on that. so thats haw— 136,000, depending on that. so thats haw tt— 136,000, depending on that. so that's how it was— 136,000, depending on that. so that's how it was broken down. haw— that's how it was broken down. haw hate— that's how it was broken down. haw have we— that's how it was broken down. how have we got— that's how it was broken down. how have we got there? we've got there— how have we got there? we've got there heease— how have we got there? we've got there because the— how have we got there? we've got there because the government has ehate— there because the government has made a— there because the government has made a etear— there because the government has made a clear decision to increase the— made a clear decision to increase the numbers of those earpho— increase the numbers of those earhhp ah— increase the numbers of those earhhp an apt— increase the numbers of those coming on and skilled visas, but retweha— coming on and skilled visas, but retweho the— coming on and skilled visas, but reducing the amount that's reawtret— reducing the amount that's reawtret tar— reducing the amount that's required for those to come in. required for those to come ili. so required for those to come in. sa yre— required for those to come in. so you're getting— required for those to come in. so you're getting a lot more low sttttet— so you're getting a lot more low skilled workers. _ so you're getting a lot more low skilled workers. but the biggest teetstah— skilled workers. but the biggest teetstah at— skilled workers. but the biggest decision at all— skilled workers. but the biggest decision at all and actually you tattet— decision at all and actually you tattet ahawt— decision at all and actually you talked about priti— decision at all and actually you talked about priti patel. it twrhg— talked about priti patel. it came during her term as home seeretary— came during her term as home secretary announce secretary to actually announce the rhasstwe— secretary to actually announce the massive rise— secretary to actually announce the massive rise in students and attawha— the massive rise in students and attawhp the— the massive rise in students and allowing the dependents to come wtth— allowing the dependents to come wtth them.— allowing the dependents to come with them. and— allowing the dependents to come with them. and ivan, i'd like to twrh— with them. and ivan, i'd like to twrh ta— with them. and ivan, i'd like to twrh ta yaw— with them. and ivan, i'd like to turn to you now— with them. and ivan, i'd like to turn to you now .— with them. and ivan, i'd like to turn to you now . we've seen turn to you now. we've seen justin— turn to you now. we've seen rwsth wethy.— turn to you now. we've seen justin welby, the— turn to you now. we've seen justin welby, the archbishop of watetst— justin welby, the archbishop of watetst sarry— justin welby, the archbishop of watetst sarry .— justin welby, the archbishop of wokeist sorry , the archbishop of wokeist sorry, the archbishop of eahterhwry.— wokeist sorry, the archbishop of canterbury, getting involved thts— canterbury, getting involved thtsweet— canterbury, getting involved this week saying that the plans this week sayilig that the plalis to this week saying that the plans ta stap— this week saying that the plans to stop migration— this week saying that the plans to stop migration are immoral . to stop migration are immoral. wett— to stop migration are immoral. wett what-s— to stop migration are immoral. well, what's your— to stop migration are immoral. well, what's your take on that ? well, what's your take on that? wett. — well, what's your take on that? wet. the— well, what's your take on that? well, the figures— well, what's your take on that? well, the figures are—

well, what's your take on that? well, the figures are a- well, what's your take on that? well, the figures are a little bit misleading because take students that stephen mentioned and half a million students, 61, and half a million students, 61, and that's the government's own statistics leave at the end of their course. that's the first point of those that remain here are staying under the graduate visa scheme . 95% will eventually visa scheme. 95% will eventually go home. so only 5% of students actually settle in the uk. that's the first point. the other point is that students spend around . £20 billion a year spend around. £20 billion a year in our economy , and that pays in our economy, and that pays for doctors and the nhs and things like that. and then also we want to attract top students . we want to have another richard branson or another elon musk. we don't want to deter the brightest students from around the world from coming to live in this country. it would be foolish to do that. and there's plenty of places for them to go . america, for example, delighted to take these students. so you know, i think we need to think about what's in

our interests, economic interests . and stephen doesn't interests. and stephen doesn't talk about that. all he talks aboutis talk about that. all he talks about is numbers , numbers too about is numbers, numbers too much, it's too much. well, stephen, let's— much, it's too much. well, stephen, let's put- .ti.“ ii“.ti“ well, stephen, let's put that back to you,— stephen, let's put that back to yaw. heease— stephen, let's put that back to you, because something that is ili you, because something that is ha a— you, because something that is ha a hwpe— you, because something that is in a huge number— you, because something that is in a huge number of the british papwtattahs— in a huge number of the british papwtattahs ts— in a huge number of the british populations is financial hterests— populations is financial interests, is— populations is financial interests, is the cost of pwtthp— interests, is the cost of putting up— interests, is the cost of putting up illegals in hotels. stepheh— putting up illegals in hotels. stephen, this— putting up illegals in hotels. stephen, this isn't enriching stepiien, this isn't enriciiing tiie stephen, this isn't enriching the wt— stephen, this isn't enriching the wt trarh — stephen, this isn't enriching the uk from your point of view. the uk from your poilit of view. is the uk from your point of view. ts rte— the uk from your point of view. ts tte thts— the uk from your point of view. ts tte thts ts— the uk from your point of view. is it? this is costing the taxpayer— is it? this is costing the taxpayer a— is it? this is costing the taxpayer a huge amount of money taxpayer a iiuge amount of liioliey alid taxpayer a huge amount of money and swrety— taxpayer a huge amount of money and swrety tt— taxpayer a huge amount of money and surely if the— taxpayer a huge amount of money and surely if the government aah-t— and surely if the government that ta— and surely if the government don't do anything about it, and surely if the government don't do anything about it , they don't do anything about it, they wttt— don't do anything about it, they wttt meet— don't do anything about it, they will meet with— don't do anything about it, they will meet with fire— don't do anything about it, they will meet with fire and brimstone— will meet with fire and brimstone at- will meet with fire and brimstone at the electoral hattat— brimstone at the electoral ballot next— brimstone at the electoral ballot next time . well, the ballot next time. well, the hstttwte— ballot next time. well, the institute that— ballot next time. well, the institute that i— ballot next time. well, the institute that i do just peheratty— institute that i do just generally looks at costs and hwrhersh— generally looks at costs and numbers and— generally looks at costs and numbers and makes allows other peapte— numbers and makes allows other peapte ta— numbers and makes allows other peapte ta ehate— numbers and makes allows other people to make the decisions on pattetes— people to make the decisions on pattetes aha— people to make the decisions on policies and whether they think policies alid whether they think it's policies and whether they think is rhaht— policies and whether they think is rtoht ar— policies and whether they think it's right or not.— policies and whether they think it's right or not. they finally it's right or not. they filially we it's right or not. they finally we hat— it's right or not. they finally we hat the— it's right or not. they finally we had the home secretary and we iiad tiie iiome secretary alid tiie we had the home secretary and the warhe— we had the home secretary and the home office— we had the home secretary and the home office accept numbers etase— the home office accept numbers etase ta— the home office accept numbers etase ta ws— the home office accept numbers close to us when— the home office accept numbers close to us when we said that it wawtt— close to us when we said that it wawtt east— close to us when we said that it would cost the— close to us when we said that it would cost the country around £3 httttah— would cost the country around £3 httttah tt— would cost the country around £3 httttah tt hat— would cost the country around £3 billion, if not more— would cost the country around £3 billion, if not more ,_ would cost the country around £3 billion, if not more , for the billion, if not more, for the east— billion, if not more, for the east at— billion, if not more, for the cost of asylum _ billion, if not more, for the cost of asylum and immigration. now:— cost of asylum and immigration. waw. the— cost of asylum and immigration. now, the question— cost of asylum and immigration.

now, the question for most peapte— now, the question for most peapte ts— now, the question for most people is whether they think two thhps— people is whether they think two things, whether— people is whether they think two things, whether that's an aeeeptahte— things, whether that's an acceptable number to be paying acceptable liumber to be payilig for acceptable number to be paying tar the— acceptable number to be paying tar the peapte— acceptable number to be paying for the people coming over. and for the people comilig over. alid i for the people coming over. and t aah-t— for the people coming over. and i don't believe— for the people coming over. and i don't believe that when you taat— i don't believe that when you taat at— i don't believe that when you taat at the— i don't believe that when you look at the polling that's been tape— look at the polling that's been tahe hy— look at the polling that's been tahe hy hast— look at the polling that's been done by most-the- look at the polling that's been done by most the polling done by most of the big polling epahres— done by most of the big polling companies over— done by most of the big polling companies over the past ten years— companies over the past ten yeas that— companies over the past ten years, that the— companies over the past ten years, that the british public want— years, that the british public waht ta— years, that the british public waht ta he— years, that the british public want to be spending huge sums on what— want to be spending huge sums on what-repart— want to be spending huge sums on what-regard as— want to be spending huge sums on what-regard as the— want to be spending huge sums on what regard as the asylum what they regard as the asylum systerh — what they regard as the asylum systerh ltttepat— what they regard as the asylum system illegal migration . an system or illegal migration. an aha— system or illegal migration. ali and eawatty— system or illegal migration. ali and eawatty ah— system or illegal migration. ali and equally on the other side , and equally on the other side, when— and equally on the other side, when we're talking large when we're talking about large seate— when we're talking about large seateae— at- scale population one of patehttatty— scale population one of potentially 1— scale population one of potentially 1 million net htorattah— potentially 1 million net htorattah .— potentially 1 million net migration , there are significant migration, there are significant easts— migration, there are significant easts that— migration, there are significant easts that we — migration, there are significant costs that we know, for example, ili costs that we know, for example, th water— costs that we know, for example, th water aha— costs that we know, for example, in water and infrastructure. we-re — in water and infrastructure. we're 4,000,000,000l of water shart— we're 4,000,000,000l of water shart every— we're 4,000,000,000l of water shart every year— we're 4,000,000,000l of water short every year based on a papwtattah— short every year based on a papwtattah at— short every year based on a population of 66 million off. what— population of 66 million off. what has— population of 66 million off. what has accepted that? if the papwtattah— what has accepted that? if the population does— what has accepted that? if the population does go up to 67 or 68— population does go up to 67 or es. were— population does go up to 67 or as. going— population does go up to 67 or 68, we're going to— population does go up to 67 or 68, we're going to need another 2,000,000,000l_ 68, we're going to need another 2,000,000,000l of— 68, we're going to need another 2,000,000,000l of water a year. aha— 2,000,000,000l of water a year. and that— 2,000,000,000l of water a year. and that costs— 2,000,000,000l of water a year. and that costs huge— 2,000,000,000l of water a year. and that costs huge amounts. were— and that costs huge amounts. were seetha— and that costs huge amounts. we're seeing houses rising and east— we're seeing houses rising and east prtees— we're seeing houses rising and east prtees hat— we're seeing houses rising and cost prices not coming up in infrastructure, _ cost prices not coming up in infrastructure, costs on the hats— infrastructure, costs on the raats .— infrastructure, costs on the raats . twery— infrastructure, costs on the roads . every time you see roads. every time you see papwtattah— roads. every time you see population increase as the costs awtstrtp— population increase as the costs awtstrtp ahy— population increase as the costs awtstrtp any at— population increase as the costs outstrip any of the— population increase as the costs outstrip any of the benefits that— outstrip any of the benefits that we— outstrip any of the benefits that we receive _ outstrip any of the benefits that we receive kyiv in income.

aha— that we receive kyiv in income. and when— that we receive kyiv in income. and when ivan— that we receive kyiv in income. and when ivan talks about the 20 httttah— and when ivan talks about the 20 billion students,— and when ivan talks about the 20 billion students, that number aetwatty— billion students, that number actually also— billion students, that number actually also includes very etearty— actually also includes very etearty the— actually also includes very clearly the number of home stwtehts— clearly the number of home students being— clearly the number of home students being placed in the uk. that— students being placed in the uk. that ts— students being placed in the uk. that ts hat— students being placed in the uk. that ts hat a— students being placed in the uk. that is not a number related to thase— that is not a number related to thase taretoh— that is not a number related to those foreign students. of the assess.— those foreign students. of the 400,000. _they'd i those foreign students. of the 400,000. they'd be 400,000. otherwise they'd be stohttteahtty— 400,000. otherwise they'd be significantly putting around howsoe— significantly putting around 100,000 each _ significantly putting around 100,000 each a— significantly putting around 100,000 each a year and that past— 100,000 each a year and that twst taesh-t— 100,000 each a year and that just doesn't happen. okay ivan, just doesn't iiappeli. okay ivan, i just doesn't happen. okay ivan, t ea— just doesn't happen. okay ivan, t see— just doesn't happen. okay ivan, t yaw— just doesn't happen. okay ivan, i can see you shaking your head there— i can see you shaking your head there .— i can see you shaking your head there . hwt— i can see you shaking your head there . but but— i can see you shaking your head there . but but i— i can see you shaking your head there . but but i want to put it there. but but i want to put it to there. but but i want to put it ta yaw.— there. but but i want to put it ta yaw. thw— there. but but i want to put it to you, emily,.net- there. but but i want to put it to you, emily, net migration, to you, emily, on net migration, that— to you, emily, on net migration, thatla— to you, emily, on net migration, thatla teets— to you, emily, on net migration, thatla leeds and— to you, emily, on net migration, that a leeds and nottingham that is a leeds and a nottingham earhhhet— that is a leeds and a nottingham combined each— that is a leeds and a nottingham combined each year. those hwrhersh— combined each year. those numbers are surely unsustainable liumbers are surely unsustailiable numbers are surely unsustainable . war— numbers are surely unsustainable . wah ves— numbers are surely unsustainable . wah tes .— numbers are surely unsustainable . wah tes . hwt— numbers are surely unsustainable . ivan yes , but we— numbers are surely unsustainable . ivan yes , but we need workers. . ivan yes, but we need workers. tat-s— . ivan yes, but we need workers. tet-s te— . ivan yes, but we need workers. tet-s he awhe— . ivan yes, but we need workers. let's be quite clear.— . ivan yes, but we need workers. let's be quite clear. one- . ivan yes, but we need workers. let's be quite clear. one of- . ivan yes, but we need workers. let's be quite clear. one of my clients needs 30 mechanics, lorry mechanics . clients needs 30 mechanics, lorry mechanics. he's paying £80,000 a year to each mechanic. he cannot not fill those posts . he cannot not fill those posts. so he's having to go to south africa to fill those positions. so we need long term plans to recruit resident workers until we get those long term plans. and that's going to take time.

we're going to still have to recruit from overseas. the nhs would collapse if it wasn't for foreign workers. we wouldn't have an nhs. i don't think even if you take the head of migration watch , he's an ethnic migration watch, he's an ethnic minority . he wouldn't be here if minority. he wouldn't be here if it wasn't for migration . so, you it wasn't for migration. so, you know, i think we need to understand that there's economic needs of this country and we got to get used to the fact that the face of the uk is going to change. there's going to be more brown people here. that is a fact of life. well hang on, ivan. it's going to happen. wah— ivan. it's going to happen. wah hape— ivan. it's going to happen. ivan, hang on.— it's going to happen. ivan, hang on. our albie is a bat— ivan, hang on. our albie is a pat at— ivan, hang on. our albie is a pat at hhe— ivan, hang on. our albie is a pal of mine out,— ivan, hang on. our albie is a pal of mine out, but is a proud thrhtaraht— pal of mine out, but is a proud trhrhtoraht ta— pal of mine out, but is a proud immigrant to this— pal of mine out, but is a proud immigrant to this nation. that taesh-t— immigrant to this nation. that taesh-t eheap— immigrant to this nation. that doesn't mean he— immigrant to this nation. that doesn't mean he can't have aphtahs— doesn't mean he can't have aphtahs ah— doesn't mean he can't have opinions on controlling numbers. that-s— opinions on controlling numbers. that-s hts— opinions on controlling numbers. that's his right,— opinions on controlling numbers. that's his right, by— opinions on controlling numbers. that's his right, by the way. hes— that's his right, by the way. he-s hat— that's his right, by the way. he's not here— that's his right, by the way. he's not here to— that's his right, by the way. he's not here to defend himself. stephen.— he's not here to defend himself. stepheh t— he's not here to defend himself. stephen, i want— he's not here to defend himself. stephen, i want come to he's not here to defend himself. step ivan i want come to he's not here to defend himself. step ivan paints come to he's not here to defend himself. step ivan paints a come to he's not here to defend himself. step ivan paints a picture to you. ivan paints a picture there.— you. ivan paints a picture here t— you. ivan paints a picture there. i think— you. ivan paints a picture there. i think nhs wouldn't there. i think the nhs wouldn't eaht— there. i think the nhs wouldn't extst aha— there. i think the nhs wouldn't exist and nobody— there. i think the nhs wouldn't exist and nobody would be able exist alid liobody would be able to exist and nobody would be able t—ea— exist and nobody would be able t—ea tt— exist and nobody would be able t—ea tt we- to repair their cars if we wereht— to repair their cars if we- weren't-uncontrolled weren't having uncontrolled thrhtorattah.— weren't having uncontrolled immigration. surely that's not the ease— immigration. surely that's not the case. well— immigration. surely that's not the case. well it's not the case

the— the case. well it's not the case across the country— the case. well it's not the case across the country when you look at the — across the country when you look at the aetwat— across the country when you look at the actual numbers of the nhs at the actual liumbers of the nhs at the actual numbers of the nhs . tahtah— at the actual numbers of the nhs . tahtah stews— at the actual numbers of the nhs , london skews the— at the actual numbers of the nhs , london skews the biggest ttowres— , london skews the biggest ttowres at— , london skews the biggest figures of all. _ , london skews the biggest figures of all. and ivan would figures of all. alid ivan would be figures of all. and ivan would he rhaht— figures of all. and ivan would he rtoht that— figures of all. and ivan would be right that without the immigration— be right that without the immigration numbers in london, eertahty— immigration numbers in london, eertahty the— immigration numbers in london, certainly the nhs— immigration numbers in london, certainly the nhs would would tatt— certainly the nhs would would tart-hat— certainly the nhs would would tart-hat h— certainly the nhs would would fail,-not in other- certainly the nhs would would fail, not in other parts of fail, but not in other parts of the— fail, but not in other parts of the-hawt— fail, but not in other parts of the-hwt-tey- fail, but not in other parts ofi the-but-key point the country. but the key point ahawt— the country. but the key point ahawt-ts— the country. but the key point about-is that— the country. but the key point about is that over the past about that is that over the past teeate— about that is that over the past decade, under— about that is that over the past decade, under this— about that is that over the past decade, under this conservative eaterhrheht— decade, under this conservative government, they— decade, under this conservative government, they have reduced the opportunities— government, they have reduced the opportunities for the hwhers— the opportunities for the numbers of— the opportunities for the numbers of people who wanted to liumbers of people who wanted to be numbers of people who wanted to be nurses-making— numbers of people who wanted to be nurses making them all go be liurses by liiakilig them all go to be nurses by making them all go ta whtwerstty— be nurses by making them all go to university rather— be nurses by making them all go to university rather than and ewtthg— to university rather than and ewttho the— to university rather than and cutting the numbers of grants that— cutting the numbers of grants that-there. — cutting the numbers of grants that-there. .there- cutting the numbers of grants that there. there is that were there. so there is ptehty— that were there. so there is plenty-demand- that were there. so there is plenty demand . we that were there. so there is plenty-demand . we that plenty of demand. we know that there-s— plenty of demand. we know that there-s er— plenty of demand. we know that there's over 200,000 people who wanted— there's over 200,000 people who wahtet—hl wanted to apply to be liurses iii the wanted to apply to be nurses in the wt— wanted to apply to be nurses in the ht atae— wanted to apply to be nurses in the uk alone. there are issues that— the uk alone. there are issues that retate— the uk alone. there are issues that relate to— the uk alone. there are issues that relate to engineering and ather— that relate to engineering and ather types— that relate to engineering and ather types at— that relate to engineering and other types of jobs . that's other types of jobs. that's trwe— other types of jobs. that's true. that's— other types of jobs. that's true. that's been an issue that-s— true. that's been an issue has heeh— true. that's been an issue that's been there for while. true. that's been an issue that�*thezen there for while. true. that's been an issue that�*the migrationior while. true. that's been an issue that�*the migration advisorye. and the migration advisory earhrhtttee— and the migration advisory earhrhtttee .— and the migration advisory committee , arnie, when was committee, arnie, when it was estahttsheet— committee, arnie, when it was established, supposed to established, was supposed to wart— established, was supposed to work government to set work with the government to set up -to _ work with the government to set wp-ta ehaheeh- work with the government to set up to enhance swiftly up schemes to enhance swiftly at— up schemes to enhance swiftly some of those— up schemes to enhance swiftly some of those key— up schemes to enhance swiftly some of those key areas. we've hat— some of those key areas. we've hat see— some of those key areas. we've hat that— some of those key areas. we've not seen that come— some of those key areas. we've not seen that come through. so there— not seen that come through. so there ts— not seen that come through. so there is always— not seen that come through. so there is always going to be a heea— there is always going to be a need tar— there is always going to be a need for immigration. of there is always going to be a netwho r immigration. of there is always going to be a netwho r immig inion. of there is always going to be a netwho r immig in managed of us who believe in managed htgrattah— us who believe in managed htorattah .— us who believe in managed migration , like— us who believe in managed migration , like myself, someone migration, like myself, someone wha— migration, like myself, someone whalatsa— migration, like myself, someone whalatsa a— migration, like myself, someone who-also a family— migration, like myself, someone who also a family that is who is also a family that is ethhte— who is also a family that is

ethnic minorities and also peapte— ethnic minorities and also peapte that— ethnic minorities and also people that have come over to the— people that have come over to the-we— people that have come over to the-we absolutely- people that have come over to the in we absolutely people that have come over to the in managedlutely people that have come over to the in managed migration, believe ili liialiaged migration, but believe in managed migration, hwt we— believe in managed migration, hwt wesee-— believe in managed migration, but we-seem to- believe in managed migration, but we seem to have but we don't seem to have a system— but we don't seem to have a system at— but we don't seem to have a system at the— but we don't seem to have a system at the moment that is aetwatty— system at the moment that is actually effectively managing actually effectively liialiagilig tiie actually effectively managing the-ether- actually effectively managing the-either on- actually effectively managing the either on asylum, the migration either on asylum, tttepat— the migration either on asylum, illegal immigration or indeed looking— illegal immigration or indeed taathp at— illegal immigration or indeed looking at the— illegal immigration or indeed looking at the interests of wartho— looking at the interests of working population . ian okay, working population. ian okay, wan.— working population. ian okay, wah ta— working population. ian okay, ivan, over to you— working population. ian okay, ivan, over to you for the final say,— ivan, over to you for the final say, uncontrolled _ ivan, over to you for the final say, uncontrolled immigration, is say, uncontrolled immigration, ts that— say, uncontrolled immigration, ts that the— say, uncontrolled immigration, is that the answer? then just thraw— is that the answer? then just thraw the— is that the answer? then just throw the borders open, allow ahyhaty— throw the borders open, allow ahyhaty h— throw the borders open, allow ahyhaty th the— throw the borders open, allow anybody in the world to come to hrttah— anybody in the world to come to hrttah ta— anybody in the world to come to britain to work.— anybody in the world to come to britain to work. is— anybody in the world to come to britain to work. is that what yaw-t— britain to work. is that what yaw-t twee— britain to work. is that what you'd like? no— britain to work. is that what you'd like? no not at all. i want— you'd like? no not at all. i want resident— you'd like? no not at all. i want resident workers- you'd like? no not at all. i want resident workers filling british want british british jobs. i want british nationals filling british jobs. well, that's what i'd like . but well, that's what i'd like. but until we get to that point, we're going to need foreign workers. and just one point about illegal immigration . asian about illegal immigration. asian people coming across the boats are not illegal. people coming across the boats are not illegal . stephen should are not illegal. stephen should get his language right that they are illegal , get his language right that they are illegal, describes them as irregular, irregular , not irregular, irregular, not illegal. that's stephen come back on that. it's often it's atten— back on that. it's often it's often mooted— back on that. it's often it's often mooted that- i titi“ it's often it's often mooted that they are not ttteoat. — often mooted that they are not illegal. stephen— often mooted that they are not illegal. stephen final word on

thts.— illegal. stephen final word on this. absolutely— illegal. stephen final word on this. absolutely not. the un eahwehttah— this. absolutely not. the un convention of— this. absolutely not. the un convention of refugees doesn't reawtre— convention of refugees doesn't reawtre peapte— convention of refugees doesn't require people that have come aver-eawhtry— require people that have come over country legal. they over to a country as legal. they ahty— over to a country as legal. they ahty heee— over to a country as legal. they only become legal— over to a country as legal. they only become legal once they etatrh— only become legal once they hath-.— only become legal once they etatrh-. ha- only become legal once they claim -. so the - only become legal once they claim . so the moment only become legal once they- claim-. so the moment they claim asylum. so the liiomelit they get claim asylum. so the moment they pet-the— claim asylum. so the moment they pet-the haat— claim asylum. so the moment they pet-the haat .— claim asylum. so the moment they get-the boat , they— claim asylum. so the moment they get the boat , they are get into the boat, they are ttteoat. — get into the boat, they arei ttteoat. _teaat get into the boat, they are. illegal. _legal. get into the boat, they are- illegal. _legal . once illegal. they become legal. once they— illegal. they become legal. once they etatrh — illegal. they become legal. once they claim asylum,— illegal. they become legal. once they claim asylum, that is the etear— they claim asylum, that is the etear taet. — they claim asylum, that is the clear fact. ivan,— they claim asylum, that is the clear fact. ivan, you should whterstaht— clear fact. ivan, you should understand that— clear fact. ivan, you should understand that under international it's very international law, it's very etear— international law, it's very etear|e>tay.— international law, it's very clear okay. going international law, it's very cleariokay.-going have clear. okay. we're goilig to have to clear. okay. we're going to have ta-there.— clear. okay. we're going to have ta-there. wah- clear. okay. we're going to have to there. ivan sampson, to leave it there. ivan sampson, hape— to leave it there. ivan sampson, hahp ah— to leave it there. ivan sampson, hand an a— to leave it there. ivan sampson, hand an a e— to leave it there. ivan sampson, hang on a sec. no,— to leave it there. ivan sampson, hang on a sec. no, let's not hate— hang on a sec. no, let's not teawe tt— hang on a sec. no, let's not leave it there. _ hang on a sec. no, let's not leave it there. ivan, get back to leave it there. ivan, get back ta yaw. — leave it there. ivan, get back ta yaw. wre— leave it there. ivan, get back to you. you're accused there of hat— to you. you're accused there of not understanding— to you. you're accused there of not understanding international taw— not understanding international law. _immigration. law. you are an immigration tawyer.— lawyer. you have a right of repty. — lawyer. you have a right of repty-respaht- lawyer. you have a right of. reply.-respond.what reply. please respond to what stepheh— reply. please respond to what stepheh twst— reply. please respond to what stephen just said. indeed. so we-reseea—hti we're talking about a second from illegal for them from them being illegal for them being non illegal. i mean, it's just playing with words. we know people are claiming asylum. we know those coming across the boat are not coming for a day trip, are they? they're coming here asylum. we know here to claim asylum. we know exactly the is, so exactly what the purpose is, so please stop describing them as illegal. simply not true. okay. well you've had the final say of that, ivan. that's all a fair tehate— that, ivan. that's all a fair tehate. we— that, ivan. that's all a fair debate. we have- that's all a fair debate. we have both sides of the tahte— debate. we have both sides of the tahte-ah— debate. we have both sides of the table-on gb- debate. we have both sides of the table on gb news. we the table here on gb news. we prtee— the table here on gb news. we pride ourselves— the table here on gb news. we pride ourselves ivan

pride ourselves on that. ivan sarhpsah— pride ourselves on that. ivan sampson, stephen will, thank you sampson, stepiien will, thank you for sampson, stephen will, thank you tar-part— sampson, stephen will, thank you for-part-fantastic- for taking part in a fantastic ewet— for taking part in a fantastic quick debate.— for taking part in a fantastic quick debate. okay you're watehha— quick debate. okay you're watching and— quick debate. okay you're watching and listening to gb wews— watching and listening to gb news-wtth- watching and listening to gb news with myself. news saturday with myself. warth— news saturday with myself. martin more martin daubney there's lots more earpho— martin daubney there's lots more earhhp wp— martin daubney there's lots more earhhp wp stttt— martin daubney there's lots more coming up still on— martin daubney there's lots more coming up still on today's show comilig up still on today's show coming up still on today's show . there-s— coming up still on today's show . there-s e— coming up still on today's show . there's more travel misery for trah— . there's more travel misery for trah passengers— . there's more travel misery for train passengers today as strttes— train passengers today as strikes take— train passengers today as strikes take place yet again . is strikes take place yet again. is thts— strikes take place yet again. is thts twst— strikes take place yet again. is thts twst aw— strikes take place yet again. is this just now the— strikes take place yet again. is this just now the new normal ? this just now the new normal? hate— this just now the new normal? have we— this just now the new normal? have we pahe— this just now the new normal? have we gone off— this just now the new normal? have we gone off the rails ? but have we gone off the rails? but ha,— have we gone off the rails? but ha, tet-s— have we gone off the rails? but first, let's take— have we gone off the rails? but first, let's take a— have we gone off the rails? but first, let's take a look at the weather— first, let's take a look at the weather with _ first, let's take a look at the weather with greg. hello there aha— weather with greg. hello there and greg— weather with greg. hello there and greg dewhurst. ' i weather with greg. hello there and greg dewhurst. ' “i i alid greg dewhurst. and welcome to and greg dewhurst. and welcome ta yawr— and greg dewhurst. and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast . well, we've got rain forecast. well, we've got rain arriving across the north—west of the uk over the next 24 hours. but sunshine on hours. but sunshine holding on further south and east. you are quite warm feeling too, looking at bigger picture that at the bigger picture as that rain north—west. rain moves into the north—west. we colder air following we do have colder air following it and this sweeps its way southwards later sunday, but more so into monday, giving a chilly feel to things for the start of next week . but it is start of next week. but it is been a lovely day out there across much of the uk this afternoon and into the evening time . it generally stays dry time. it generally stays dry though into the early hours. the low cloud starts to slip its way

back westwards across back south westwards across parts of england , northern parts of england, northern ireland and scotland will see the cloud thicken outbreaks of rain moving in under any clear spells in between temperatures dipping into single figures. so a fresh start to sunday, but for many quite cloudy picture outbreaks of rain across northern and western parts of the uk. further south and east, we'll see low cloud. but that should lift and break to give plenty of sunshine into the afternoon. perhaps 1 plenty of sunshine into the afternoon. perhaps1 2 afternoon. perhaps 1 or 2 showers of main showers ahead of the main frontal system, will only frontal system, which will only slowly its way southwards slowly push its way southwards behind it. it will brighten up across northwest and parts of northern ireland and scotland , northern ireland and scotland, but here, but turning fresher here, temperatures only reaching the mid whilst we should see mid teens whilst we should see highs sunshine in the highs in the sunshine in the south—east around degrees south—east around 22 degrees into time , this into the evening time, this front continues to push its way south eastwards. everyone south eastwards. so everyone seeing a bit rain by the end seeing a bit of rain by the end of the day. clear spells and showers following into the early hours scotland and northern hours for scotland and northern ireland. the rain just ireland. and the rain just starting make in the starting to make its hand in the far southeast here. temperatures holding up in double figures , a

holding up in double figures, a bit chillier further north and west to start monday, 5 or 6 degrees, but that will be welcomed with some sunshine and a few showers across the highlands through the day. the risk of showers in places front may just hold on to the far southeast to give some splashes of rain. but feeling fresher for everyone. further showers tuesday, it should be drier tuesday, but it should be drier by wednesday

so forth. so you're listening to gb news radio . gb news radio. good afternoon. gb news radio.- - good afternoon. it's gb news radio.— - good afternoon. it's 230. eh wews tatte— . good afternoon. it's 230. i'm good afterlioon. it's 230. i'm rory ili good afternoon. it's 230. i'm teary th the— good afternoon. it's 230. i'm teary th the st— good afternoon. it's 230. i'm rory in the gb newsroom.i rory smith in the gb newsroom. a eatt— rory smith in the gb newsroom. a eatt has— rory smith in the gb newsroom. a eatt has heeh— rory smith in the gb newsroom. a call has been made— rory smith in the gb newsroom. a call has been made for a special swrhrhtt— call has been made for a special swrhrhtt ta— call has been made for a special summit to bring— call has been made for a special summit to bring an— call has been made for a special summit to bring an end to the taste— summit to bring an end to the taste ratt— summit to bring an end to the toxic rail dispute.— summit to bring an end to the toxic rail dispute. rmt union hass— toxic rail dispute. rmt union hass thet— toxic rail dispute. rmt union boss mick lynch— toxic rail dispute. rmt union boss mick lynch has written to boss mick lyncii iias written to the boss mick lynch has written to the government— boss mick lynch has written to the government calling for a rheethp— the government calling for a rheethp wtth— the government calling for a meeting with an— the government calling for a meeting with an independent ehatr— meeting with an independent ehatr tt— meeting with an independent chair if necessary , to end what chair if necessary, to end what he-s— chair if necessary, to end what he's described— chair if necessary, to end what he's described as— chair if necessary, to end what he's described as chaos on the rattways. — he's described as chaos on the railways. well— he's described as chaos on the railways. well it— he's described as chaos on the railways. well it comes as passengers— railways. well it comes as passengers face yet another day

passeligers face yet another day of passengers face yet another day at ttsrwpttah— passengers face yet another day of disruption with— passengers face yet another day of disruption with workers again tahha— of disruption with workers again tahho ptetet— of disruption with workers again joining picket lines. more strttes— joining picket lines. more strikes are— joining picket lines. more strikes are set— joining picket lines. more strikes are set to be held on the— strikes are set to be held on the erst— strikes are set to be held on the stst at— strikes are set to be held on the 31st of may— strikes are set to be held on the 31st of may and the 3rd of rwhe. — the 31st of may and the 3rd of twhe. that-s— the 31st of may and the 3rd of june. that's the— the 31st of may and the 3rd of june. that's the day of the fa cup— june. that's the day of the fa ewp that— june. that's the day of the fa ewp that at— june. that's the day of the fa cup final at wembley. june. that's the day of the fa cup final at wembley . protesters cup filial at weliibley. protesters are cup final at wembley. protesters are demonstrating— cup final at wembley. protesters are demonstrating against the prapaset— are demonstrating against the prapaset wttz— are demonstrating against the proposed ulez expansion plan . proposed ulez expansion plan. the— proposed ulez expansion plan. the tahtah— proposed ulez expansion plan. the london mayor's proposal to eapahe— the london mayor's proposal to expand the— the london mayor's proposal to expand the ultra— the london mayor's proposal to expand the ultra low emission eawtt— expand the ultra low emission zone could potentially reach the heat— zone could potentially reach the tent harter— zone could potentially reach the tent harter hy— zone could potentially reach the kent border by august. some awter— kent border by august. some outer london— kent border by august. some outer london boroughs, along wtth— outer london boroughs, along wtth swrrey— outer london boroughs, along with surrey county council, tawhehet— with surrey county council, launched legal— with surrey county council, launched legal action in tehrwary— launched legal action in february over- launched legal action in february over the proposed etehstah— february over the proposed etehstah .— february over the proposed extension . president zelenskyy extelision. presidelit zelenskyy is extension. president zelenskyy ts h— extension. president zelenskyy ts th ttaty— extension. president zelenskyy ts th ttaty tar— extension. president zelenskyy is in italy for talks with government— is in italy for talks with government officials . he's met government officials. he's met wtth— government officials. he's met wtth hrtrhe— government officials. he's met with prime minister giorgio wetaht— with prime minister giorgio wetaht ah— with prime minister giorgio meloni on his— with prime minister giorgio meloni on his first trip to the eawhtry— meloni on his first trip to the eawhtry shee— meloni on his first trip to the country since russia invaded htrahe— country since russia invaded htrahe h— country since russia invaded ukraine in february last year. ukrailie ili february last year. he ukraine in february last year. he then— ukraine in february last year. he then rhet— ukraine in february last year. he then met with italian trestteht— he then met with italian president sergio mattarella. wett— president sergio mattarella. wett tater.— president sergio mattarella. well later, mr— president sergio mattarella. well later, mr zelenskyy will meet— well later, mr zelenskyy will meet wtth— well later, mr zelenskyy will meet with the _ well later, mr zelenskyy will meet with the pope to discuss a peaee— meet with the pope to discuss a peaee rhtsstah— meet with the pope to discuss a peace mission to— meet with the pope to discuss a peace mission to end the war wtth— peace mission to end the war wtth twssta— peace mission to end the war wtth twssta .—

peace mission to end the war with russia . momentum is with russia. momentum is hwttthp— with russia. momentum is building ahead of tonight's that— building ahead of tonight's that at— building ahead of tonight's final of the— building ahead of tonight's final of the eurovision song eahtest— final of the eurovision song eahtest h— final of the eurovision song contest in liverpool , the uk's contest in liverpool, the uk's entry.— contest in liverpool, the uk's ehtry. wwetter— contest in liverpool, the uk's entry, mueller who will perform. elitry, mueller who will perform. i entry, mueller who will perform. t wrate— entry, mueller who will perform. t wrate a— entry, mueller who will perform. twrate a sane— entry, mueller who will perform. t wrate a sane .— entry, mueller who will perform. i wrote a song , says she's ready i wrote a song, says she's ready to i wrote a song, says she's ready ta pet— i wrote a song, says she's ready ta get the— i wrote a song, says she's ready ta pet the shaw— i wrote a song, says she's ready to get the show on— i wrote a song, says she's ready to get the show on the road. she-s— to get the show on the road. she-s ae— to get the show on the road. she-s at— to get the show on the road. she's one of 26— to get the show on the road. she's one of 26 acts to appear hetare— she's one of 26 acts to appear hetare ah— she's one of 26 acts to appear before an estimated global awttehee— before an estimated global awttehee .— before an estimated global audience . of— before an estimated global audience . of 160 before an estimated global audience . of160 million audience. of160 million viewers. the— audience. of160 million viewers. the uk agreed to host viewers. the uk agreed to iiost tiie viewers. the uk agreed to host the eahtest— viewers. the uk agreed to host the contest on— viewers. the uk agreed to host the contest on behalf of last years— the contest on behalf of last yeas whher— the contest on behalf of last year's winner ,_ the contest on behalf of last year's winner , ukraine tv online year's winner, ukraine tv online haht — year's winner, ukraine tv online haht hatta— year's winner, ukraine tv online dab+ radio and— year's winner, ukraine tv online dab+ radio and on— year's winner, ukraine tv online dab+ radio and on tunein . this dab+ radio alid on tunein. this is dab+ radio and on tunein. this ts eh— dab+ radio and on tunein. this ts eh wews— dab+ radio and on tunein. this is gb news nato— dab+ radio and on tunein. this is gb news nato back to . is gb news nato back to. martin rhaht— is gb news nato back to. martin thaht yaw.— is gb news nato back to. martin thaht yaw. teary— is gb news nato back to. martin thaht yaw. teary. — is gb news nato back to. martin thank you, rory . thank you, rory. that was fabulous. welcome back to gb news saturday with me, martin daubney on your tv online. and of course on your digital radio . well, there's more travel misery for commuters this weekend as rail workers from aslef and the rmt walk off the

job yet again . on those of you job yet again. on those of you heading up to liverpool for the eurovision grand final are being urged to check your journeys before travelling or seek alternative routes as well. earlier on rmt general secretary mick lynch was asked if his union would deliberately targeted the public and big events such as eurovision with their strike action. we're not targeting any event. there's football matches— targeting any event. there's football matches at- 3 “ti there's football matches at wembley tatay— football matches at wembley tatay aha— football matches at wembley tatay and we— football matches at wembley today and we hope people will enjoy— today and we hope people will ehtay them— today and we hope people will ehtay therh .— today and we hope people will ehtay therh . we— today and we hope people will enjoy them . we hope that enjoy them. we hope that eurovision— enjoy them. we hope that eurovision goes well and that eurovision goes well alid that the eurovision goes well and that the whate— eurovision goes well and that the whole thing— eurovision goes well and that the whole thing is a success. the— the whole thing is a success. the reas— the whole thing is a success. the reason we're— the whole thing is a success. the reason we're on strike today is the reason we're on strike today ts heeawse— the reason we're on strike today ts heeawse at— the reason we're on strike today is because of the— the reason we're on strike today is because of the tory anti—trade— is because of the tory anti—trade union laws. the talks hrate— anti—trade union laws. the talks hrate tawn— anti—trade union laws. the talks broke down two— anti—trade union laws. the talks broke down two weeks ago. we hate— broke down two weeks ago. we have a— broke down two weeks ago. we have a sta— broke down two weeks ago. we have a six month— broke down two weeks ago. we have a six month mandate that awt— have a six month mandate that runs out tomorrow.— have a six month mandate that runs out tomorrow. this is the any— runs out tomorrow. this is the ahty tay— runs out tomorrow. this is the ahty tay water— runs out tomorrow. this is the only day under that legislation wtth— only day under that legislation wtth twa— only day under that legislation with two weeks— only day under that legislation with two weeks notice that we eawtt — with two weeks notice that we eawtt tate— with two weeks notice that we could take this— with two weeks notice that we could take this action. tattawhg— could take this action. following that breakdown of discussions. _ following that breakdown of discussions. so _ following that breakdown of discussions. so we've now got ahather— discussions. so we've now got another mandate— discussions. so we've now got another mandate that came in atter— another mandate that came in atter that— another mandate that came in after that announcement. we got after that aliliouncemelit. we got it a after that announcement. we got tt a weet— after that announcement. we got tt a weet aea— after that announcement. we got tt a weet aga ar— after that announcement. we got it a week ago or so,— after that announcement. we got it a week ago or so, and that runs on for another six months. so runs on for another six months. sa the— runs on for another six months. sa the way— runs on for another six months. so the way that— runs on for another six months. so the way that the tories have

eahstrwetet— so the way that the tories have constructed the _ so the way that the tories have constructed the trade union teotstattah— constructed the trade union legislation which as we know is hasttte— legislation which as we know is hasttte ta— legislation which as we know is hostile to the— legislation which as we know is hostile to the trade unions and wartho— hostile to the trade unions and warthp peapte.— hostile to the trade unions and working people, it means that we hate— working people, it means that we have ta— working people, it means that we have ta tate— working people, it means that we have to take this— working people, it means that we have to take this action today. wett—pwt- have to take this action today. wett—pwtlthel well what's been put on the tahte— well what's been put on the tahte ts— well what's been put on the table is thousands of cuts table is thousands of job cuts that— table is thousands of job cuts that-want— table is thousands of job cuts that-want ta— table is thousands of job cuts that want to bring in. they that they want to bring in. they want— that they want to bring in. they want-every— that they want to bring in. they want every booking want to shut every booking atttee— want to shut every booking atttee at— want to shut every booking office at every— want to shut every booking office at every station in hrttatp— office at every station ili britaili. britain. they want to change our rhehers— britain. they want to change our members terms— britain. they want to change our members terms and conditions in members terms alid conditions iii a members terms and conditions in a tetrtrhehtat— members terms and conditions in a detrimental, detrimental way. aha— a detrimental, detrimental way. aha-sawho— a detrimental, detrimental way. aha-sayhgthat- a detrimental, detrimental way. and-saying that is- and they're saying that is necessary so that they can increase efficiency to create prattt— increase efficiency to create more profit for— increase efficiency to create more profit for the private seetr— more profit for the private sector train _ more profit for the private sector train operators. they wttt— sector train operators. they wttt ehate— sector train operators. they will make £400- sector train operators. they will make £400 million in profit will make £400 million ili profit tiiis will make £400 million in profit thts year— will make £400 million in profit thts year .— will make £400 million in profit thts year . aha— will make £400 million in profit this year . and the— will make £400 million in profit this year. and the government has— this year. and the government has spent— this year. and the government has spent over— this year. and the government has spent over £1.25 billion on thts— has spent over £1.25 billion on thts ttspwte— has spent over £1.25 billion on this dispute, which would have twhtet— this dispute, which would have twhtet a— this dispute, which would have funded a reasonable pay rise . funded a reasonable pay rise. what— funded a reasonable pay rise. what w-wee— funded a reasonable pay rise. what we've been— funded a reasonable pay rise. what we've been offered is a 9% atter— what we've been offered is a 9% atter er— what we've been offered is a 9% offer over two _ what we've been offered is a 9% offer over two years, but we haweh-t— offer over two years, but we haweh-t hat— offer over two years, but we haven't had a— offer over two years, but we haven't had a pay deal for four years.— haven't had a pay deal for four yea. ha— haven't had a pay deal for four years. so that's— haven't had a pay deal for four years. so that's basically 9% the— years. so that's basically 9% over the last— years. so that's basically 9% over the last four— years. so that's basically 9% over the last four years, which tsp-t— over the last four years, which tsh-t 900d_ over the last four years, which isn't good enough— over the last four years, which isn't good enough for our peapte.— isn't good enough for our peapte. tts— isn't good enough for our people. it's not- isn't good enough for our people. it's not as good as the newark— people. it's not as good as the wetwart tatt— people. it's not as good as the network rail offer. and they atsa— network rail offer. and they atsa want— network rail offer. and they also want us— network rail offer. and they also want us in— network rail offer. and they also want us in the dock to teetare— also want us in the dock to declare that _ also want us in the dock to declare that the _ also want us in the dock to declare that the dispute is over aha— declare that the dispute is over and then— declare that the dispute is over and then 90— declare that the dispute is over and then go and— declare that the dispute is over and then go and negotiate a load alid then go alid liegotiate a load of and then go and negotiate a load of detrimental— and then go and negotiate a load of detrimental changes. we're

of detriliielital ciianges. we're not of detrimental changes. we're hat prepared— of detrimental changes. we're hat preparet ta— of detrimental changes. we're not prepared to do that . we're not prepared to do that. we're hat— not prepared to do that. we're hat going— not prepared to do that. we're hat going ta— not prepared to do that. we're hat going ta awe— not prepared to do that. we're not going to give up our mandate not goilig to give up our liialidate alid not going to give up our mandate and wr— not going to give up our mandate and our leverage— not going to give up our mandate and our leverage at— not going to give up our mandate and our leverage at the hepattathp— and our leverage at the negotiating table half way thrawgh— negotiating table half way thrawph the— negotiating table half way through the dispute. so there are through the dispute. so there a tat— through the dispute. so there a tat at— through the dispute. so there are a lot of preconditions on it that— are a lot of preconditions on it that we— are a lot of preconditions on it that we twst— are a lot of preconditions on it that we just accept. but that we just caliliot accept. but the that we just cannot accept. but the-that— that we just cannot accept. but the-that thts— that we just cannot accept. but the that this government that we just cannot accept. but th determinedt this government that we just cannot accept. but th determined to iis government that we just cannot accept. but th determined to iis gothis ment is determined to keep this ttspwte— is determined to keep this ttspwte going— is determined to keep this dispute going because they've dispute goilig because they've got dispute going because they've oat sswes— dispute going because they've oat h— dispute going because they've got issues in in— dispute going because they've got issues in in health care and wtth— got issues in in health care and wtth the— got issues in in health care and with the nurses— got issues in in health care and with the nurses and the doctors, wtth— with the nurses and the doctors, wtth the— with the nurses and the doctors, with the teachers— with the nurses and the doctors, with the teachers ,_ with the nurses and the doctors, with the teachers , and they're with the teachers, and they're tryhp — with the teachers, and they're tryho ta — with the teachers, and they're tryho ta etarhp— with the teachers, and they're trying to clamp down on working peapte-s— trying to clamp down on working peapte-s pay.— trying to clamp down on working pebble's pay- so_ trying to clamp down on working people's pay. so that they can trahster— people's pay. so that they can transfer that— people's pay. so that they can transfer that wealth to the rich peapte— transfer that wealth to the rich peapte at— transfer that wealth to the rich peapte at thts— transfer that wealth to the rich people of this society, where ttwtehts— people of this society, where dividends and— people of this society, where dividends and profits up. dividends and profits are up. the— dividends and profits are up. the staet— dividends and profits are up. the stock exchange is up. the eey— the stock exchange is up. the eey ts— the stock exchange is up. the economy is growing, but they want— economy is growing, but they want ta— economy is growing, but they want ta ta— economy is growing, but they want to do that— economy is growing, but they want to do that on the basis of taw— want to do that on the basis of taw-aht— want to do that on the basis of taw-aht were— want to do that on the basis of low and we're prepared low pay. alid we're not prepared to low pay. and we're not prepared ta—werrthahi to accept that. hugh merriman whte— to accept that. hugh merriman whtte he-s— to accept that. hugh merriman while he's telling us what we shawtt— while he's telling us what we shawtt-.— while he's telling us what we shawtt-. tt— while he's telling us what we should -, it is- while he's telling us what we should , it is subsidising should accept, it is subsidisilig tiie should accept, it is subsidising the-seeta— should accept, it is subsidising the sector operators to the private sector operators to the private sector operators to the he — the private sector operators to the he at— the private sector operators to the tune of £400— the private sector operators to the tune of £400 million. they ehate— the tune of £400 million. they made prattt— the tune of £400 million. they made profit all— the tune of £400 million. they made profit all through covid wheh— made profit all through covid wheh wr— made profit all through covid when our members were losing rhahey— when our members were losing rhahey wheh— when our members were losing money, when many people were on shart— money, when many people were on shart the— money, when many people were on shart the apt— money, when many people were on short time and lower— money, when many people were on short time and lower wages. these— short time and lower wages. these these— short time and lower wages. these these railway executives haweh-t— these these railway executives haweh-t tast— these these railway executives haven't lost a— these these railway executives haven't lost a penny. the only peapte— haven't lost a penny. the only peapte that— haven't lost a penny. the only people that are— haven't lost a penny. the only people that are making money out people that are liiakilig money out of people that are making money out at-rattway— people that are making money out at-rattway are— people that are making money out of-railway are the— people that are making money out of railway are the private of the railway are the private seetr— of the railway are the private sector operators. _ of the railway are the private sector operators. our staff

aret— sector operators. our staff aren't making _ sector operators. our staff aren't making money and the passengers— aren't making money and the passengers are— aren't making money and the passengers are being ripped off wtth— passengers are being ripped off wtth-tares— passengers are being ripped off with-fares and— passengers are being ripped off with-fares and at- passengers are being ripped off with fares and at the same with high fares and at the same the— with high fares and at the same the the— with high fares and at the same time the taxpayer— with high fares and at the same time the taxpayer subsidising time the taxpayer is subsidising prtwate— time the taxpayer is subsidising private-companies- time the taxpayer is subsidising private companies who are private sector companies who are mathe— private sector companies who are hathp hahtsarhe— private sector companies who are making handsome profits. so hugh tterrtrhah— making handsome profits. so hugh taerrtrhah has— making handsome profits. so hugh merriman has got— making handsome profits. so hugh merriman has got it— making handsome profits. so hugh merriman has got it wrong . he merriman has got it wrong. he needs— merriman has got it wrong. he heetslrhate— merriman has got it wrong. he needs-make sure- merriman has got it wrong. he needs make sure that the needs to make sure that the prtwate— needs to make sure that the private _operators- needs to make sure that the private operators are private sector operators are atterho— private sector operators are offering a— private sector operators are offering a reasonable deal to peapte— offering a reasonable deal to peapte aha— offering a reasonable deal to our people and then we'll be a 900d_ our people and then we'll be a paat party— our people and then we'll be a paat party h— our people and then we'll be a good party in trying to hepattate— good party in trying to negotiate settlement . but at liegotiate a settleliielit. but at the negotiate a settlement. but at the rharheht— negotiate a settlement. but at the moment, we're not there and tiie liiomelit, we're not there alid we the moment, we're not there and we cannot-this— the moment, we're not there and we cannot-this offer- the moment, we're not there and we cannot this offer to we cannot put this offer to a reterehtwrh— we cannot put this offer to a referendum because he's asking referelidum because he's askilig us referendum because he's asking ws ar reawtrhg— referendum because he's asking ws ar requiring ws— referendum because he's asking us or requiring us as part of thts— us or requiring us as part of thts teat— us or requiring us as part of thts teat ta— us or requiring us as part of this deal to declare that this ttspwte— this deal to declare that this ttspwte ts— this deal to declare that this dispute is over.— this deal to declare that this dispute is over. we speak to our rherhersh we 90— dispute is over. we speak to our members, we go round to our hrahehes— members, we go round to our hrahehes aha— members, we go round to our branches and speak to our rhehers— branches and speak to our members and— branches and speak to our members and the officials on the arawe— members and the officials on the orawht. the— members and the officials on the ground, the people— members and the officials on the ground, the people picket ground, the people on the picket thes.— ground, the people on the picket thes—hta- ground, the people on the picket lines,_into us- ground, the people on the picket lines,_into us how lines, and they feed into us how they— lines, and they feed into us how they want— lines, and they feed into us how they want ta— lines, and they feed into us how they want to keep— lines, and they feed into us how they want to keep this campaign paht.— they want to keep this campaign paht. we— they want to keep this campaign paht. we sat— they want to keep this campaign going. we said at— they want to keep this campaign going. we said at the very beginning— going. we said at the very beginning when we started hattatho— beginning when we started balloting, this— beginning when we started balloting, this will be a long term — balloting, this will be a long term earhpatoh— balloting, this will be a long term campaign and we have to dig term caliipaigli alid we have to dig to term campaign and we have to dig ta h— term campaign and we have to dig ta ta see— term campaign and we have to dig ta ta thts— term campaign and we have to dig to in see this through. and that-s— to in see this through. and that's exactly— to in see this through. and that's exactly the tactics that our members _ that's exactly the tactics that our members want. they are earhptetety— our members want. they are completely behind what we've tape— completely behind what we've tahe atreaty— completely behind what we've done already and— completely behind what we've done already and what we might done already alid what we might be done already and what we might he doing— done already and what we might he taha h— done already and what we might he tahp th the— done already and what we might be doing in the future . yeah

be doing in the future. yeah tts— be doing in the future. yeah it's groundhog— be doing in the future. yeah it's groundhog day on the rails apath— it's groundhog day on the rails aoah wtth— it's groundhog day on the rails again with mick— it's groundhog day on the rails again with mick the grinch. tyheh— again with mick the grinch. tyheh he— again with mick the grinch. lynch he stole— again with mick the grinch. lynch he stole christmas, but he won't me getting won't stop me getting from nottingham straight. after this show, to try and see show, i'm going to try and see my dad. i know you're watching now, dad. i hope you got your drinking three drinking boots on, because three hours you big hours of live tv gives you a big thirst. getting in thirst. you'll be getting in touch your strike touch with all your train strike views. you views. that's been getting you going france going now for a while. france ice saying this. let's ice is saying this. let's nationalise railways, sack nationalise the railways, sack all the staff and rehire non—union people. if that means non—union people. if that means no trains for a while, so be it. is there anyone brave enough yet 7 is there anyone brave enough yet ? there might be a flaw in your plan. there francis. and that means anything means nobody can do anything until we sack everyone and rehire them. not sure that would go too down well. but anyway, it's a great point, chris says the in the bad old the following in the bad old days, the railways were nationalised and they had nationalised and they never had sufficient money to buy new stock pay the salaries of the stock or pay the salaries of the staff. now the government does provide some financial support , provide some financial support, but rightly comes but money, quite rightly comes from the sale of tickets . why from the sale of tickets. why should i to fund the should i have to fund the railways when i do not use them? it's a great point. you know, we had debate in the show earlier

had a debate in the show earlier on today. norman baker, former transport saying we transport minister, saying we spend billions of spend billions and billions of pounds on the railways. anyway, about two thirds of the money that the coffers comes that goes into the coffers comes from government. that's from the government. that's me. you the taxpayer. could it you the taxpayer. so could it actually any worse? steve actually be any worse? steve says following . the rail says the following. the rail unions are bang out of order. the train drivers are on fantastic money and they really should not be disrupting ordinary people's lives like they are. steve i think a lot of people agree with that, especially the longer it goes on, people are getting fed up with it. keep your views coming in. subscribe to our youtube channel and follow us on twitter . we are, of course, at gb news. as you're watching and listening to gb news saturday with me, martin daubney coming up on the show, of england has show, the bank of england has hiked its base interest rate for the 12th time in a row and what does this mean for uk homeowners and especially first time or younger buyers ? more on that younger buyers? more on that

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channel iand. channel and welcome back to gb news. channel and welcome bmartin gb news. channel and welcome bmartin daubney saturday with me, martin daubney on , online and on your on your tv, online and on your digital radio. okay, uk mortgage rates holders could be slapped with £12 billion extra in payments because of rising interest rates . that's according interest rates. that's according to the resolution foundation , to the resolution foundation, which also warns that richer households with expensive houses and large loans will pay the bulk of the extra cost. but young families are still expected to be hit hardest by the scale of rising living costs . well, joining me now is property expert russell quirk. hello to you, russell. good afternoon. eye watering numbers, £12 billion, 2.2 million people dragged into this extra payment. average £3,000 a year. what's behind this thinking? because surely at a time when spending is going up but not through choice, it's because we're having to spend more money on

utilities and on food. what's the logic in punishing us again , on on interest rates, on our mortgages as well ? well, i don't mortgages as well? well, i don't see mortgages as well? well, i don't the— mortgages as well? well, i don't the taste.— mortgages as well? well, i don't see the logic, frankly. - mortgages as well? well, i don't see the logic, frankly. i- 33 c well, i don't see the logic, frankly. i“ see the logic, frankly. i mean, the— see the logic, frankly. i mean, the tact— see the logic, frankly. i mean, the fact that— see the logic, frankly. i mean, the fact that the bank of england seemed to just have one job, which they failed at miserably so far, which was to try and kerb the spectre of inflation. and it kind of crept up on us. and then overtook us. and the bank of england oh and the bank of england said, oh wait, inflation an what should we do about that? and of we do about that? and now, of course, put up course, they have put up interest rates, i think 12 times interest rates, i think 12 times in the last 12 months. so 12 successive give opportunities 80s. they've they've grasped to put interest rates up now the problem with that, of course is that inflation, as we well know, is not this time as a concept sequence of too eager spending by consumers. it's the consequence of food prices and energy costs and food prices as a consequence of energy costs. so frankly, the fact that the bank of england independent as they are, seemed to be intent

on. yes, punishing us because of their own lethargy, you know, frankly, they should have put interest rates up perhaps sooner than they did, and maybe they should have stopped printing money two years ago. instead of all quantitative easing to all this quantitative easing to try and kind of promote and push the economy along when it was actually doing okay without that intervention , without that intervention, without that stimulation. so, yeah, we're in we're in a situation of the bank of england's making largely the other thing that of course, martin we need to bear in mind, though, is that talk though, is that when we talk about interest rates being at this terribly high level, 4.5% actually in historic terms. so if we look back over the last 30 or 40 years, a bank of england base rate of about 4.5% is pretty normal . it's pretty pretty normal. it's pretty standard. and actually a lot of mortgage holders , when they took mortgage holders, when they took their mortgages out three, four, five, six, seven years ago, would have actually been subject to what they call a stress test to what they call a stress test to ensure that those artificially low interest rates

that we've seen over the last 10 or 11 years or so, once those rates were pushed to one side, as they have been , people would as they have been, people would be able to afford an increase in the cost of borrowing things people worry about. obviously russell people worry about. obviously twssett ts— obviously russell is repossessions. the speetre— russell is repossessions. the speetre at— russell is repossessions. the spectre of that— russell is repossessions. the spectre of that coming from the so. — spectre of that coming from the has. were— spectre of that coming from the 80s, we're obviously nowhere thase— 80s, we're obviously nowhere near those levels— 80s, we're obviously nowhere near those levels of interest rates— near those levels of interest ates hwt— near those levels of interest rates, but what— near those levels of interest rates, but what are you hearing ahawt— rates, but what are you hearing ahawt peapte-s— rates, but what are you hearing about people's everyday concerns about people's everyday concerlis 7 about people's everyday concerns e heease— about people's everyday concerns e heease at— about people's everyday concerns ? because of course,— about people's everyday concerns ? because of course, if you're spehthp— ? because of course, if you're spehtho re— ? because of course, if you're spending more on— ? because of course, if you're spending more on food, if you're spehtha— spending more on food, if you're spehtho e— spending more on food, if you're spending more on— spending more on food, if you're spending more on survival, hawtho— spending more on survival, hawha ah— spending more on survival, having an existing and now on yawr— having an existing and now on yawr rhartoaoe— having an existing and now on yawr rhartoaoe as— having an existing and now on your mortgage as well, how close are your mortgage as well, how close peapte— your mortgage as well, how close peapte gettha— your mortgage as well, how close are people getting to the wire wtthawt— are people getting to the wire without doubt,— are people getting to the wire without doubt, everyone's saweeset. — without doubt, everyone's saweeset. t— without doubt, everyone's squeezed. i“ without doubt, everyone's squeezed. i mean, particularly at the those at the lower end of the demographic , the economic the demographic, the economic ladden the demographic, the economic ladder, if you like . and i guess ladder, if you like. and i guess i can only really speak from the point of view of the property market itself, which actually has shown remarkable resilience . you know, when you think that mortgage payments are about 30 to 35% higher now than they were 12 months ago, the fact that

there is still a fairly buoyant property haven't seen property market, we haven't seen house prices crash . we've seen house prices crash. we've seen transactions drop a bit, but no armagedda has actually, funnily enough, the bank of england rather forecast there would be economically recession was forecast. of course we're not in recession. the gdp numbers this week were not brilliant , but week were not brilliant, but they weren't devastating either . i think honestly, martin, we need to give the british public and british business a lot more credit for their resilience and innovation than perhaps the politician . and the economists politician. and the economists give them credit for. i politician. and the economists give them credit for . i totally give them credit for. i totally agree. russell— give them credit for. i totally agree. russell and - �*3 ti”ti;ti c i totally agree. russell and also , i like agree. russell alid also, i like an agree. russell and also, i like an apttrhtstte— agree. russell and also, i like an optimistic note— agree. russell and also, i like an optimistic note , 12 interest an optimistic note, 12 interest rate— an optimistic note, 12 interest rate hhes— an optimistic note, 12 interest rate hikes on— an optimistic note, 12 interest rate hikes on the— an optimistic note, 12 interest rate hikes on the bounce. we are seethg— rate hikes on the bounce. we are seeing inflation— rate hikes on the bounce. we are seeing inflation drop. will it seeilig iliflation drop. will it be seeing inflation drop. will it he whtwetye— seeing inflation drop. will it be unlucky? 13— seeing inflation drop. will it be unlucky? 13 get your crystal hatt— be unlucky? 13 get your crystal hatt — be unlucky? 13 get your crystal ball now. russell,— be unlucky? 13 get your crystal ball now. russell, can we see 9°°d_ ball now. russell, can we see some good news?— ball now. russell, can we see some good news? and finally, hterest— some good news? and finally, interest rates— some good news? and finally, interest rates start to go down? wett— interest rates start to go down? wett t— interest rates start to go down? wett t hape— interest rates start to go down? wett t hape sa— interest rates start to go down? well i hope so, but i do think well i iiope so, but i do think we well i hope so, but i do think we heea— well i hope so, but i do think we need ta— well i hope so, but i do think we need to take— well i hope so, but i do think we need to take a— well i hope so, but i do think we need to take a good, long, hart— we need to take a good, long, hart taat— we need to take a good, long, hart taat at— we need to take a good, long, hard look at the— we need to take a good, long, hard look at the bank of england iiard look at the balik of eliglalid or hard look at the bank of england ar the— hard look at the bank of england ar the peapte— hard look at the bank of england or the people that— hard look at the bank of england or the people that run it. ' i or the people that run it. and ther—

or the people that run it. and thetr terms— or the people that run it. and their terms of— or the people that run it. and their terms of reference, frankly, because think, i frankly, because i think, as i say, them got us say, it's them that got us into this in first place. this mess in the first place. and they're and of course, they're not accountable they they accountable. so they can they can kind of allow to unfold what has unfolded without actually taking the consequences themselves. and that can't be right. and russell, you mentioned about the government getting this mess, getting us into this mess, printing money. how much do you that— printing money. how much do you that the— printing money. how much do you that the east— printing money. how much do you think the cost of— printing money. how much do you think the cost of living— “g “titi“tiy how much do you think the cost of living pain going— think the cost of living pain we're going now and think the cost of living pain- we're going-now and the we're going through now and the he— we're going through now and the hike-interest— we're going through now and the hike-interest rates,— we're going through now and the hike interest rates, how much iiike ili iliterest rates, how much of hike in interest rates, how much at-ts— hike in interest rates, how much at-ts a— hike in interest rates, how much at-ts a treet— hike in interest rates, how much of is a direct legacy of of that is a direct legacy of the— of that is a direct legacy of the government— of that is a direct legacy of the government giving away £410 httttah— the government giving away £410 httttah during— the government giving away £410 billion during covid lockdowns ? billion durilig covid lockdowns? are billion during covid lockdowns? are we— billion during covid lockdowns? are we payho— billion during covid lockdowns? are we paying their check now heeawse— are we paying their check now heeawse they— are we paying their check now because they screwed up ? lattice because they screwed up? well, i ththt— because they screwed up? well, i ththt hare— because they screwed up? well, i think more rather than the government. i mean, the government. i mean, the government did, i guess what they had to do at the time in terms of shoring up business furlough . i mean, now we can furlough. i mean, now we can look back in hindsight and say that that was perhaps too generous, of course, need generous, but of course, we need to england to separate the bank of england from mean, from the government. i mean, gordon maybe of the gordon brown, maybe one of the only he do, my only things he did do, in my opinion, right. opinion, that was right. he separated so separated the bank of england so that independent from that it's independent from government. ironically , that government. so ironically, that means jeremy hunt means that when jeremy hunt stands course, says

stands up, of course, and says that he and rishi sunak are pledging five things, one of those is to reduce inflation. really, the government have very , very little control over that. it really is the bank of england. but unfortunately , the england. but unfortunately, the blunt instrument that they're using interest actually using of interest rates actually does putting us straight does risk putting us straight into recession , which of course into recession, which of course is the last thing we want. personally, i'd rather have a bit inflation than than a 3 bit of inflation than than a 3 or 4 year long recession, because i'm enough because i'm old enough to remember through those remember living through those and pretty . russell and they ain't pretty. russell quirk, and they ain't pretty. russell ewtrt. thaht— and they ain't pretty. russell quirk, thank you _ and they ain't pretty. russell quirk, thank you for- s“ti i“ c russell quirk, thank you for your time thts— quirk, thank you for your time this afternoon.— quirk, thank you for your time this afternoon. a— quirk, thank you for your time this afternoon. a of this afternoon. a bit of apttrhtsrh — this afternoon. a bit of optimism talking this afternoon. a bit of- optimism _talking about optimism there. talking about htwht— optimism there. talking about htwht-thht- optimism there. talking about blunt-thinklfew. blunt objects. i think a few peapte— people would like to use blunt ahteets— people would like to use blunt ahteetslpeapte— people would like to use blunt objects-people at- people would like to use blunt objects people at the bank of objects on people at the bank of thgtaht. — objects on people at the bank of thotaht. that-s— objects on people at the bank of england. that's just me. okay. we-we— england. that's just me. okay. we-we hat— england. that's just me. okay. we've had loads— england. that's just me. okay. we've had loads of emails coming we've iiad loads of emails comilig ili we've had loads of emails coming th tatay— we've had loads of emails coming in today, especially— we've had loads of emails coming in today, especially on this tape— in today, especially on this tape that— in today, especially on this topic, that of— in today, especially on this topic, that of the 12th consecutive - topic, that of the 12th consecutive rate interest, topic, that of the 12th- consecutive rate-interest , as consecutive rate of iliterest, as we consecutive rate of interest, as we twst— consecutive rate of interest, as we twst saw— consecutive rate of interest, as we just saw there,— consecutive rate of interest, as we just saw there, the bank of england— we just saw there, the bank of england, which— we just saw there, the bank of england, which is— we just saw there, the bank of england, which is effect in the pawht— england, which is effect in the pawht-the— england, which is effect in the pound-the pence- england, which is effect in the pound the pence in every pound and the pence in every strate— pound and the pence in every single person's— pound and the pence in every single person's pocket. this reatty—yaw.- single person's pocket. this really _you, sue,| single person's pocket. this- really _you, sue, who really matters to you, sue, who says— really matters to you, sue, who says thts— really matters to you, sue, who says thts att— really matters to you, sue, who says this all the— really matters to you, sue, who says this all the increases in the— says this all the increases in the hase— says this all the increases in the base rates— says this all the increases in the base rates have had zero etteet— the base rates have had zero etteet ah— the base rates have had zero effect on the— the base rates have had zero effect on the inflation figure aha— effect on the inflation figure

and hate— effect on the inflation figure and have only— effect on the inflation figure and have only imposed financial tttttewtty— and have only imposed financial tttttewtty ah— and have only imposed financial difficulty on the— and have only imposed financial difficulty on the majority of peapte— difficulty on the majority of peapte-ht- difficulty on the majority of peapte-ht .- difficulty on the majority of peapte-ht . we- difficulty on the majority of people uk . we need people people iii the uk. we need people at people in the uk. we need people at the— people in the uk. we need people at the tap— people in the uk. we need people at the tap tahs— people in the uk. we need people at the top jobs at— people in the uk. we need people at the top jobs at the bank of thptaht— at the top jobs at the bank of thotaht wha— at the top jobs at the bank of england who apply better england who can apply better thhthg— england who can apply better thinking decision making thinking to the decision making praess— thinking to the decision making peess . aha— thinking to the decision making process . and same applies to process. alid tiie saliie applies to the process. and the same applies to the treaswry— process. and the same applies to the treaswry. sa— process. and the same applies to the treasury. so that's sarhethho— the treasury. so that's something that so many people something that so liialiy people say something that so many people say .— something that so many people say . were— something that so many people say . we-re teet— something that so many people say . we're feel they're so out say. we're feel they're so out of say. we're feel they're so out at taweh— say. we're feel they're so out at taweh aha— say. we're feel they're so out of touch and also— say. we're feel they're so out of touch and also they constantly— of touch and also they constantly talk britain down. we constalitly talk britaili down. we iiad constantly talk britain down. we hat trap-eet— constantly talk britain down. we had project fear— constantly talk britain down. we had project fear now got project hterest— had project fear now got project hterest rate— had project fear now got project interest rate hikes.— had project fear now got project interest rate hikes. when will they— interest rate hikes. when will they ewt— interest rate hikes. when will they ewt ws— interest rate hikes. when will they cut us some— interest rate hikes. when will they cut us some slack ? jonathan they cut us some slack? jonatiian as they cut us some slack? jonathan as the— they cut us some slack? jonathan as the following— they cut us some slack? jonathan as the following point, raising hterest— as the following point, raising interest rates— as the following point, raising interest rates helps pensioners whae— interest rates helps pensioners he patt— interest rates helps pensioners who've paid off— interest rates helps pensioners who've paid off their mortgage aha— who've paid off their mortgage and rety— who've paid off their mortgage and rety ah— who've paid off their mortgage and rely on savings to swppterheht- and rely on savings to supplement their pension. it's suppleliielit tiieir pelision. it's not supplement their pension. it's hat att— supplement their pension. it's hat att hat.— supplement their pension. it's not all bad, although you say that— not all bad, although you say that .— not all bad, although you say that , jonathan,— not all bad, although you say that , jonathan, but we were that, jonathan, but we were sayhp— that, jonathan, but we were saying earlier,— that, jonathan, but we were saying earlier, despite the fact sayilig earlier, despite the fact we saying earlier, despite the fact we hate— saying earlier, despite the fact we have a— saying earlier, despite the fact we have a base— saying earlier, despite the fact we have a base rate of 4.5, the big— we have a base rate of 4.5, the big taw— we have a base rate of 4.5, the big four savers,— we have a base rate of 4.5, the big four savers, the— we have a base rate of 4.5, the big four savers, the big four tehters— big four savers, the big four lenders are— big four savers, the big four lenders are giving miserable retwrs— lenders are giving miserable retwrs at— lenders are giving miserable returns of only— lenders are giving miserable returns of only about 0.7 to ts.— returns of only about 0.7 to th. sa— returns of only about 0.7 to th. sa as— returns of only about 0.7 to 1.5. so as usual,— returns of only about 0.7 to 1.5. so as usual, quick take yawr— 1.5. so as usual, quick take yawr rhahey— 1.5. so as usual, quick take yawr rhahey very- 1.5. so as usual, quick take your money very slow to give any that— your money very slow to give any that haet. — your money very slow to give any thing back. mike— your money very slow to give any thing back. mike says the tattawhg— thing back. mike says the tattawha t— thing back. mike says the following i do— thing back. mike says the following i do not see what all the twss— following i do not see what all the twss ts— following i do not see what all the fuss is about— following i do not see what all the fuss is about .— following i do not see what all the fuss is about . we have a the fuss is about. we have a oeherattah— the fuss is about. we have a generation that— the fuss is about. we have a generation that has basically hat— generation that has basically hat tree— generation that has basically

had free money— generation that has basically had free money when i got rharrtet— had free money when i got married and— had free money when i got married and bought our first hwse— married and bought our first house, we had— married and bought our first house, we had interest rates of iiouse, we iiad iliterest rates of up house, we had interest rates of wp ta— house, we had interest rates of wp ta ho.— house, we had interest rates of wp ta so. hwt— house, we had interest rates of up to 20, but we— house, we had interest rates of up to 20, but we managed . i up to 20, but we managed. i that— up to 20, but we managed. i that we— up to 20, but we managed. i think we could— up to 20, but we managed. i think we could do with a couple of think we could do with a couple at years— think we could do with a couple at years wtth— think we could do with a couple of years with interest rates at of years with iliterest rates at 10. of years with interest rates at to. wet.— of years with interest rates at 10. well, mike,— of years with interest rates at 10. well, mike, that's easy for you— 10. well, mike, that's easy for yaw ta— 10. well, mike, that's easy for yaw ta say— 10. well, mike, that's easy for yaw ta say aha— 10. well, mike, that's easy for you to say and well done on digging— you to say and well done on digging h— you to say and well done on digging th aha— you to say and well done on digging in and keeping your home sate.— digging in and keeping your home sate. hwt— digging in and keeping your home safe. but first— digging in and keeping your home safe. but first time— digging in and keeping your home safe. but first time buyers, young— safe. but first time buyers, young pebble— safe. but first time buyers, young people already paying the htohest— young people already paying the hwhes-.— young people already paying the htphest- are— young people already paying the highest-. are they- young people already paying the highest . are they going to highest rates. are they goilig to get highest rates. are they going to get hammered?— highest rates. are they going to get hammered? the whole this highest rates. are they going to get thoughtstd? the whole this highest rates. are they going to get thoughtstd? the lilthem. this highest rates. are they going to get thoughtstd? the lilthem. s0iis my thoughts are with them. so keep — my thoughts are with them. so keep yawr— my thoughts are with them. so keep your views— my thoughts are with them. so keep your views coming in. and keep your views comilig ili. alid of keep your views coming in. and at-swhserthe— keep your views coming in. and of-subscribelour- of course, subscribe to our wawtwhe— of course, subscribe to our. youtube _follow of course, subscribe to our- youtube_follow us on youtube channel and follow us on twttter— youtube channel and follow us on twttter. we— youtube channel and follow us on twttter. we are— youtube channel and follow us on twitter. we are, of— youtube channel and follow us on twitter. we are, of course, at at — twitter. we are, of course, at at news.— twitter. we are, of course, at at wews. htay— twitter. we are, of course, at gb news. okay a— twitter. we are, of course, at gb news. okay a week after king ehartes— gb news. okay a week after king ehartes wt.— gb news. okay a week after king charles iii, was— gb news. okay a week after king charles iii, was crowned in a otttterho— charles iii, was crowned in a glittering ceremony full of traettah— glittering ceremony full of tradition and— glittering ceremony full of tradition and pageantry, a new phata— tradition and pageantry, a new phata at— tradition and pageantry, a new phata at the— tradition and pageantry, a new photo of the king, prince wttttarh — photo of the king, prince william and,— photo of the king, prince william and, of course, the tettetaws— william and, of course, the delicious prince— william and, of course, the delicious prince george has been reteaset— delicious prince george has been reteaset .— delicious prince george has been reteaset . the— delicious prince george has been released . the three generations released. the three gelierations are released. the three generations shawh h— released. the three generations are shown in the— released. the three generations are shown in the throne room wtth— are shown in the throne room wtth sae— are shown in the throne room with some saying— are shown in the throne room with some saying that the image with some sayilig that the image of with some saying that the image at the— with some saying that the image at the the— with some saying that the image at the the at— with some saying that the image of the line of succession sends of the line of succession selids a of the line of succession sends a strand— of the line of succession sends a strand rhessaea— of the line of succession sends a strong message about the twtwre— a strong message about the twtwre at— a strong message about the future of the— a strong message about the future of the monarchy. well, tah— future of the monarchy. well, tah rhe— future of the monarchy. well, tah rhe aw— future of the monarchy. well, tah rhe ts— future of the monarchy. well, join me now is former royal earrespahteht— join me now is former royal correspondent at the sun. the ahsatwte— correspondent at the sun. the absolute legend— correspondent at the sun. the absolute legend .— correspondent at the sun. the absolute legend . great pal of absolute legend. great pal of hhe— absolute legend. great pal of mine, charles— absolute legend. great pal of mine, charles rea hello, ehartes. — mine, charles rea hello, charles. always a pleasure to

hate— charles. always a pleasure to have yaw— charles. always a pleasure to have yaw ah— charles. always a pleasure to have you on the— charles. always a pleasure to have you on the show. so, listen have you on the show. so, listeli , have you on the show. so, listen . we hat— have you on the show. so, listen . we hat a— have you on the show. so, listen . we hat a tat— have you on the show. so, listen , we had a lot of— , we had a lot of anti—monarchists. , we had a lot of anti—monarchists . we , we had a lot of- anti—monarchists . we had , we had a lot of— anti—monarchists . we had a lot anti—monarciiists. we iiad a lot of anti—monarchists. we had a lot at pratesters. — anti—monarchists. we had a lot of protesters. we— anti—monarchists. we had a lot of protesters. we had a lot of rhtserahte— of protesters. we had a lot of miserable people. let's face it, the the— miserable people. let's face it, the the who— miserable people. let's face it, the bbc trying to— miserable people. let's face it, the bbc trying to reign on the parade— the bbc trying to reign on the parate at— the bbc trying to reign on the parate at the— the bbc trying to reign on the parade of the coronation itself tast— parade of the coronation itself tast weet. — parade of the coronation itself last week. but— parade of the coronation itself last week. but these photographs, they give a real piiotograpiis, they give a real ray photographs, they give a real raylswhshhe— photographs, they give a real ray-sunshine for- photographs, they give a real ray sunshine for the future, ray of sunshine for the future, aah-t— ray of sunshine for the future, that they.— ray of sunshine for the future, don't they, charles? “tiy don't they, charles? they eertahty— don't they, charles? they certainly do.— don't they, charles? they certainly do. and this picture that you're talking about, which which three kings, one which is the three kings, one king already and two future kings , shows that the monarchy kings, shows that the monarchy is going to have a king for at least the next hundred years if these guys go their full if they go their full terms . this royal go their full terms. this royal family has got a, a reason for being long living. and so you know, whenever the next in line comes along, they'll they'll be there for some time. and i think this is a sign to all those dumas mongers and everything else who think the monarchy is past it and they don't want it anymore it's a message anymore. it's this is a message that says it's here to stay for a very , very long time. yeah

a very, very long time. yeah now we're a week on from that momentous day,— now we're a week on from that momentous day, charles and the twst— momentous day, charles and the twst has— momentous day, charles and the dust has settled,— momentous day, charles and the dust has settled, so— momentous day, charles and the dust has settled, so to speak . i dust has settled, so to speak. i that— dust has settled, so to speak. i that tt— dust has settled, so to speak. i think it proves— dust has settled, so to speak. i think it proves something. it prawet— think it proves something. it prawet that— think it proves something. it proved that brits actually they like proved that brits actually they ttte wr— proved that brits actually they like our values.— proved that brits actually they like our values. they they like rhaharehy— like our values. they they like rhaharehy .— like our values. they they like our monarchy . they like the our monarchy. they like the traettah— our monarchy. they like the tradition and— our monarchy. they like the tradition and the naysayers. they-we— tradition and the naysayers. they-we heeh— tradition and the naysayers. they've been silenced now, haweh-t— they've been silenced now, haweh-t they.— they've been silenced now, haven't they, by— they've been silenced now, haven't they, by the joy of what we tast— haven't they, by the joy of what we saw last weekend , we had we saw last weekend, we had a hwher— we saw last weekend, we had a hwher at— we saw last weekend, we had a number of polls— we saw last weekend, we had a number of polls beforehand which shawet— number of polls beforehand which shawet yaw— number of polls beforehand which showed you know,— number of polls beforehand which showed you know, nobody cared showed you know, liobody cared for showed you know, nobody cared tar the— showed you know, nobody cared for the monarchy— showed you know, nobody cared for the monarchy . “i”ti showed you know, nobody cared for the monarchy . “ti”ti ttti”ti s“ for the monarchy. there were an ancient no one was worried about it. the only poll that counted, martin, was last saturday when hundreds of thousands of people turned up in the mall and millions of people switched on their tv sets to see this fantastic historic moment that we that we all witnessed. and you are right, all these doom mongers and everyone else, they are back in their boxes where they should be now. charles, it's been a week,— they should be now. charles, it's been a week, of- i charles, it's been a week, of course , it's been a week, of course, shee— it's been a week, of course, since we saw queen camilla erawpet— since we saw queen camilla erawrret . a— since we saw queen camilla crowned . a lot— since we saw queen camilla crowned . a lot of people, of crowned. a lot of people, of course, especially from from our era course, especially from from our at— course, especially from from our at the— course, especially from from our at the days— course, especially from from our

era of the days where everybody ahsatwtety— era of the days where everybody absolutely adored— era of the days where everybody absolutely adored and worshipped trheess— absolutely adored and worshipped princess diana— absolutely adored and worshipped princess diana .— absolutely adored and worshipped princess diana . it— absolutely adored and worshipped princess diana . it was something princess diana. it was something that— princess diana. it was something that we— princess diana. it was something that we hat— princess diana. it was something that we hat ta— princess diana. it was something that we had to acclimatise to. haw— that we had to acclimatise to. haw has— that we had to acclimatise to. haw has that— that we had to acclimatise to. how has that gone down a week on haw— how has that gone down a week on haw ae— how has that gone down a week on haw peapte— how has that gone down a week on how are people taking to the new eweeh— how are people taking to the new queen camilla— how are people taking to the new queen camilla _ how are people taking to the new queen camilla i— how are people taking to the new queen camilla i think people are starting to take to queen camilla. there are those who are annoyed and angry that she's got the title queen instead of queen consort. but queen consort is what she is. they're just dropping the word consort. and when catherine becomes queen, she will be queen consort as well. if princess diana was had still been alive and got to got to the throne, she would have been queen consort. it only means is there not queen by royal blood. it's that simple. but she is queen. and i think you know , i'm i was a very big you know, i'm i was a very big supporter of diana. you know, i followed her for a great many years, wrote many stories over many, many times. i thought she was absolutely fantastic. and it was absolutely fantastic. and it was the biggest one of the biggest tragedies this country has ever faced. when she when

she when she died. but respect camilla. she has worked very, very hard over , you know, the very hard over, you know, the last 20 odd years. and she's up there and she makes the king happy. if he if he if she makes him happy, then they've got a, you know, a good working relationship together. and yeah, as i say, it's all part and parcel of a monarchy for the future. okay charles rea, it's always a pleasure. individual . always a pleasure. individual. rhaht— always a pleasure. individual. thaht yaw— always a pleasure. individual. thaht yaw tar— individual. thank you for cheering us up thts— thank you for cheering us up this afternoon.— thank you for cheering us up this afternoon. you've been watehhg—tal this afternoon. you've been. watching—to gb watching and listening to gb wews—rhysett.| news saturday with myself. warth— news saturday with myself. ttarth hathy— news saturday with myself. martin dalby i'm off now, but aah-t— martin dalby i'm off now, but don't—because. martin dalby i'm off now, but. don't—because nana martin dalby i'm off now, but. dc up _because nana martin dalby i'm off now, but dcup next. because nana martin dalby i'm off now, but dcup next. but because nana martin dalby i'm off now, but dcup next. but here ecause nana martin dalby i'm off now, but dcup next. but here firstse nana martin dalby i'm off now, but dcup next. but here first is nana is up next. but here first is yawr— is up next. but here first is your weather— is up next. but here first is your weather with greg erg. hetta— your weather with greg erg. hello there. _ your weather with greg erg. hello there. i'm- your weather with greg erg. hello there. c ”lith your weather with greg erg. hello there. c ”titi t hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. well, we've got rain arriving across the north—west of the uk over the north—west of the uk over the 24 hours, but sunshine the next 24 hours, but sunshine holding further south and holding on further south and east. you are quite warm feeling to looking at the bigger picture as moves into the as that rain moves into the north—west. have colder north—west. we do have colder air following it and this sweeps its way southwards later sunday, but so into monday, giving but more so into monday, giving a chilly feel to things for the

start of next week . but it is start of next week. but it is been a lovely day out there across much of the uk this afternoon and into the evening time. it generally stays dry though into the early hours. the low cloud starts to slip its way back southwest across parts of england , northern ireland and england, northern ireland and scotland will see the cloud thicken. outbreaks of rain moving in under any clear spells in between temperatures dipping into single figures. so a fresh start to sunday, but for many quite cloudy picture outbreaks of rain across northern and western parts of the uk. further south and east we'll see low cloud. but that should lift and break to give plenty of sunshine into the afternoon. perhaps 1 or 2 ahead of the 2 showers ahead of the main frontal system which only frontal system which will only slowly way southwards slowly push its way southwards behind it will brighten up behind it. it will brighten up across northwestern parts of northern ireland and scotland, but fresher here, but turning fresher here, temperatures only reaching the mid teens. whilst we should see highs sunshine the highs in the sunshine in the south—east around 22 degrees into evening time, this into the evening time, this front to push its way front continues to push its way south everyone

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