channel hello. channel heu0.good channel hello. good afternoon . welcome hello. good afternoon. welcome to gb news sunday.— hello. good afternoon. welcome to gb news sunday. i'm- c: welcome to gb news sunday. i'm emily carver.— to gb news sunday. i'm emily carver. for— to gb news sunday. i'm emily carver. for the— to gb news sunday. i'm emily carver. for the next two hours, ru— carver. for the next two hours, ru be— carver. for the next two hours, m be keeping— carver. for the next two hours, i'll be keeping you company on tv i'll be keeping you company on w emine— i'll be keeping you company on tv online and— i'll be keeping you company on tv online and digital radio. so coming— tv online and digital radio. so coming up— tv online and digital radio. so coming up on— tv online and digital radio. so coming up on the— tv online and digital radio. so coming up on the show today, our labour— coming up on the show today, our labour election— coming up on the show today, our labour election rigging starmer's under fire for reportedly— starmer's under fire for reportedly planning to give the vote— reportedly planning to give the vote to— reportedly planning to give the vote to e— reportedly planning to give the vote to 16 and— reportedly planning to give the vote to 16 and 17— reportedly planning to give the vote to 16 and 17 year olds, as even— vote to 16 and 17 year olds, as well ee— vote to 16 and 17 year olds, as well as eu— vote to 16 and 17 year olds, as well as eu nationals. hm prison emcee— well as eu nationals. hm prison officers have— well as eu nationals. hm prison officers have been— well as eu nationals. hm prison officers have been told to stop calling— officers have been told to stop calling criminals— officers have been told to stop calling criminals convicts because— calling criminals convicts beeeuee ire— calling criminals convicts because it's offensive is the prison— because it's offensive is the prison service— because it's offensive is the prison service the latest ooeuouy— prison service the latest eoeuooy in— prison service the latest casualty in the woke wars and brace— casualty in the woke wars and brace yourself— casualty in the woke wars and brace yourself for— casualty in the woke wars and brace yourself for this one. net migration— brace yourself for this one. net migration mav— brace yourself for this one. net

migration may hit— brace yourself for this one. net migration may hit 1 million this year.— migration may hit 1 million this year. tote— migration may hit 1 million this year. hove we— migration may hit 1 million this year. have we completely lost oontioi— year. have we completely lost oontiot ot— year. have we completely lost control of our— year. have we completely lost control of our borders .7 for more control of our borders? for more on ott— control of our borders? for more on oii ot— control of our borders? for more on oii ot titt— control of our borders? for more on all of that after— control of our borders? for more on all of that after the news teotiinee— on all of that after the news headlines with— on all of that after the news headlines with rory . thank you headlines with rory. thank you very— headlines with rory. thank you very meeti— headlines with rory. thank you very much, emily.— headlines with rory. thank you very much, emily. the latest trom— very much, emily. the latest from the gb newsroom. nurses are calling for a double digit pay offer to prevent further strike action. the head of the royal college of nursing, pat cullen, told the sunday times the government risks another six months of industrial action if negotiations aren't reopened . negotiations aren't reopened. when members rejected a 5% offer which was accepted by 14 other unions . a new ballot for strikes unions. a new ballot for strikes will be held later this month. residents in north devon told us the need to consider the current economic climate. i do believe they are worth every penny of 5, but. but they are worth every penny of 5, but . but whether they're worth but. but whether they're worth , i— but. but whether they're worth , i thirt— but whether they're worth more , i think probably yes. but more, i think probably yes. but we tetirriteiv— more, i think probably yes. but we definitely need them and we teet— we definitely need them and we rreet tire— we definitely need them and we need the health—

we definitely need them and we need the health service. it's being— need the health service. it's teirre rur— need the health service. it's being run down— need the health service. it's being run down by this government,- being run down by this government, which can't blame titerrt — government, which can't blame titerrt tor— government, which can't blame them for cowo— government, which can't blame them for covid because there's a tieeoee— them for covid because there's a new disease, but— them for covid because there's a new disease, but the rest of it they— new disease, but the rest of it they mutteri— new disease, but the rest of it they mucked up.— new disease, but the rest of it they mucked up. i— new disease, but the rest of it they mucked up. i think they etoutt— they mucked up. i think they should accept— they mucked up. i think they should accept the offer that's on should accept the offer that's ore-totte— should accept the offer that's on -table because - should accept the offer that's on table because we're all on the table because we're all eutterirre— on the table because we're all suffering from _ on the table because we're all suffering from the cost of iivirre— suffering from the cost of living crisis— suffering from the cost of living crisis . - suffering from the cost of living crisis . 'i: living crisis. and as a pensioner , although we've had pensioner, although we've had a big rise this time, it's probably not going to last. and we're affected by everything as well. suggestions we're affected by everything as well . suggestions of unrest well. suggestions of unrest vitrio— well. suggestions of unrest vittirr tire— suggestions of unrest within the conservative party are within the conservative party being— within the conservative party are being downplayed after the prime— are being downplayed after the prime minister— are being downplayed after the prime minister was blamed for the prime minister was blamed for tire reet— prime minister was blamed for the recent local— prime minister was blamed for the recent local election reeuite— the recent local election results. rishi_ the recent local election results. rishi sunak is facing oritieiem— results. rishi sunak is facing criticism after— results. rishi sunak is facing criticism after nearly 1000 councillors— criticism after nearly 1000 councillors were lost and the teoieiorr— councillors were lost and the teoieiorr to— councillors were lost and the decision to scale— councillors were lost and the decision to scale back post erevit— decision to scale back post orevit pione— decision to scale back post brexit plans to _ decision to scale back post brexit plans to scrap eu laws. tormer— brexit plans to scrap eu laws. tormer torre— brexit plans to scrap eu laws. former home secretary priti totei— former home secretary priti patel accused _ former home secretary priti patel accused the leader of toting— patel accused the leader of toiiirre to— patel accused the leader of failing to listen— patel accused the leader of failing to listen to his own partyi— failing to listen to his own partvr adding— failing to listen to his own party, adding the tories hadn't overet— party, adding the tories hadn't covered itself— party, adding the tories hadn't covered itself in— party, adding the tories hadn't covered itself in glory since torto— covered itself in glory since boris johnson— covered itself in glory since boris johnson is— covered itself in glory since boris johnson is leadership, write— boris johnson is leadership, virite energy— boris johnson is leadership, while energy secretary grant stoope— while energy secretary grant steppe says— while energy secretary grant shapps says the pm is doing the right— shapps says the pm is doing the right thirtee— shapps says the pm is doing the right things and— shapps says the pm is doing the right things and people just teet— right things and people just rreet to— right things and people just rreet to te— right things and people just

need to be patient . right things and people just need to be patient. i think this ort— need to be patient. i think this and she was referring to the set of elections which were obviously very difficult for the conservatives . there weren't a conservatives. there weren't a good set of elections for us, but this was the first opportunity people have to opportunity people have had to comment shenanigans comment on all the shenanigans of summer and those many of last summer and those many leadership changes that went on. i think people were venting their frustration. i i think people were venting theirfrustration. i actually their frustration. i actually think the rishi sunak in his five point plan to halve inflation and grow the economy and reduce our debt and cut the nhs waiting list and stop the small boats. i think he's doing exactly the right things and let's judge him against that. let's judge this government against comes to against that. when it comes to the election . in other the next election. in other news, the next election. in other tire— the next election. in other news, the shadow- "vita f" in other news, the shadow business secretory— news, the shadow business secretary has— news, the shadow business secretary has defended plans to give— secretary has defended plans to give vorert— secretary has defended plans to give workers the _ secretary has defended plans to give workers the right to switch off give workers the right to switch ott outeite — give workers the right to switch off outside of— give workers the right to switch off outside of working hours. iotour— off outside of working hours. labour wants— off outside of working hours. labour wants to _ off outside of working hours. labour wants to restrict emotovere— labour wants to restrict employers from contacting staff by phone— employers from contacting staff by phone or— employers from contacting staff by phone or iv— employers from contacting staff by phone or by email, saying vorerst— by phone or by email, saying workers should— by phone or by email, saying workers should be able to disconnect— workers should be able to disconnect from devices in their tovrrtirre— disconnect from devices in their downtime with _ disconnect from devices in their downtime with similar legislation. _ downtime with similar legislation. legislation is otreotv— legislation. legislation is otreotv irr— legislation. legislation is already in place in france.

iorottorr— already in place in france. jonathan reynolds told us it viii— jonathan reynolds told us it viii promote— jonathan reynolds told us it will promote productive motty i thirst— will promote productive motty i tirirrt ve— will promote productive motty i tirirrt we to— will promote productive motty i think we do want— will promote productive motty i think we do want to see the kind of think we do want to see the kind ot emptovrrerrt— think we do want to see the kind of employment laws that will protest— of employment laws that will protest torriiv— of employment laws that will protect family life, give people time— protect family life, give people time it— protect family life, give people some time in order to do the otter— some time in order to do the other titres— some time in order to do the other things that— some time in order to do the other things that are important in tite— other things that are important in iite os— other things that are important in life as well— other things that are important in life as well as— other things that are important in life as well as work. 'i: in life as well as work. and i thirt— in life as well as work. and i think trot-s— in life as well as work. and i think that's been eroded very significantly in recent years. i think the labour market itself means people want means that more people want flexibility in the workplace, but absolutely confident but i'm absolutely confident in the platform put the aggregate platform we'll put forward that will forward is the one that will give people hope and optimism and turn this country around after conservative after 13 years of conservative government. the party government. meanwhile the party says it has plans to create 80,000 new jobs in the car industry. labour 80,000 new jobs in the car industry . labour says it will industry. labour says it will part— industry. labour says it will port tirrorroe— industry. labour says it will part finance eight- : labour says it will part finance eight factories to retrieve— part finance eight factories to achieve its— part finance eight factories to achieve its goal— part finance eight factories to achieve its goal ._ part finance eight factories to achieve its goal . it will also achieve its goal. it will also help— achieve its goal. it will also heir to— achieve its goal. it will also heir to pover— achieve its goal. it will also help to power nearly 2 million eieotrio— help to power nearly 2 million electric vehicles— help to power nearly 2 million electric vehicles ._ help to power nearly 2 million electric vehicles . it says the electric vehicles. it says the proposoi— electric vehicles. it says the proposer viii— electric vehicles. it says the proposal will see the west iiitiorrts— proposal will see the west midlands benefit from 28,000 tots— midlands benefit from 28,000 iots ort— midlands benefit from 28,000 jobs and 11,000— midlands benefit from 28,000 jobs and 11,000 roads will be treated— jobs and 11,000 roads will be oreotet irr— jobs and 11,000 roads will be created in the— jobs and 11,000 roads will be created in the north—west turkey is tracing— created in the north—west turkey is bracing itself— created in the north—west turkey is bracing itself for— created in the north—west turkey is bracing itself for possible protests— is bracing itself for possible protests or— is bracing itself for possible protests or clashes, with voting interwov— protests or clashes, with voting urtervov irr— protests or clashes, with voting underway in the— protests or clashes, with voting underway in the presidential eteotiors. — underway in the presidential

election. people— underway in the presidential election. people across the courtro— election. people across the country, including president trtoeori— country, including president troopers re— country, including president erdogan, are heading to polling stations— erdogan, are heading to polling stotiorrs irr— erdogan, are heading to polling stations in the— erdogan, are heading to polling stations in the first round of tire— stations in the first round of tire vote,— stations in the first round of the vote, the— stations in the first round of the vote, the leader faces the biggest— the vote, the leader faces the biggest political— the vote, the leader faces the biggest political challenge of his biggest political challenge of iris stree— biggest political challenge of his career seeking re—election otter— his career seeking re—election otter zo— his career seeking re—election otter zo veers— his career seeking re—election after 20 years in— his career seeking re—election after 20 years in power will opinion— after 20 years in power will opirriorr ports— after 20 years in power will opinion polls show it will be tight— opinion polls show it will be tight ,— opinion polls show it will be tipist , troopers— opinion polls show it will be tight , though, with a clear tight, though, with a clear indication— tight, though, with a clear indication of— tight, though, with a clear indication of the result evpeetet— indication of the result evpeetet pv- indication of the result expected by this evening . lever expected by this evening. lever poiis— expected by this evening. lever potts being— expected by this evening. lever polls being seen— expected by this evening. lever polls being seen as the big winner after— polls being seen as the big winner after hosting the eurovision_ winner after hosting the eurovision song contest out with the eurovision song contest out with tie trime— eurovision song contest out with the prime minister— eurovision song contest out with the prime minister saying the city— the prime minister saying the city tos— the prime minister saying the city iros torre— the prime minister saying the city has done the— the prime minister saying the city has done the uk and ukraine prite— city has done the uk and ukraine prite. svetisir— city has done the uk and ukraine pride. swedish pop— city has done the uk and ukraine pride. swedish pop star lorraine mote— pride. swedish pop star lorraine mote iristorv— pride. swedish pop star lorraine made history becoming the only to— made history becoming the only to viri— made history becoming the only woman to win the— made history becoming the only woman to win the event twice. ite— woman to win the event twice. the country— woman to win the event twice. the country now— woman to win the event twice. the country now ties with retort— the country now ties with ireland for— the country now ties with ireland for the— the country now ties with ireland for the most song contest— ireland for the most song contest victories both claiming tities. — contest victories both claiming seven titles. the— contest victories both claiming seven titles. the uk's entry mae mutter— seven titles. the uk's entry mae muller finished— seven titles. the uk's entry mae muller finished second last territo— muller finished second last behind germany . this is gb news. behind germany. this is gb news. vie-ii— behind germany. this is gb news. vie-ii bring— behind germany. this is gb news. vve-tt bring vou— behind germany. this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it toppers.— we'll bring you more as it happens nov— we'll bring you more as it happens. now though, back to .

emily thank you, rory. so let's go straight to the latest in west minster. so sir keir starmer has been accused of wanting to rig future general elections by changing allowed to vote. changing who's allowed to vote. leaked policy plans reveal labouris leaked policy plans reveal labour is considering giving the vote eu nationals as well as vote to eu nationals as well as 16 and 17 year olds. the proposals have sparked accusations that keir starmer is in fact trying to rig the outcome of future elections and that that move could be a new bid to roll back brexit. so let's see what tom harwood, our deputy political editor , thinks deputy political editor, thinks about this. it's a really interesting proposal and it's unusualin interesting proposal and it's unusual in the sense that this is actually one of the election pledges on which sir keir starmer stood back in 2020 that he's actually sticking by. if we remember back to that- g if we remember back to that leadership eieotiorr— remember back to that leadership eieotiorr ort— remember back to that leadership election and the— remember back to that leadership election and the ten pledges titt— election and the ten pledges tirot sir— election and the ten pledges that sir keir— election and the ten pledges that sir keir starmer made, vtetter— that sir keir starmer made, viretirer it— that sir keir starmer made, whether it was— that sir keir starmer made, whether it was to abolish tuition— whether it was to abolish tuition fees— whether it was to abolish

tuition fees or— whether it was to abolish tuition fees or nationalise retit— tuition fees or nationalise moi, reit— tuition fees or nationalise mail, rail and— tuition fees or nationalise mail, rail and the rest of it, ort— mail, rail and the rest of it, erst veep— mail, rail and the rest of it, and keep free— mail, rail and the rest of it, and keep free movement with the turopeorr— and keep free movement with the ipropeorr tiriorr— and keep free movement with the european union ,_ and keep free movement with the european union , he's u—turned on european union, he's u—turned on every— european union, he's u—turned on every sireie— european union, he's u—turned on every sippte oe— european union, he's u—turned on every single one of— european union, he's u—turned on every single one of those ptetpes— every single one of those ptetpes apert— every single one of those pledges apart from this one. iris— pledges apart from this one. this leaked— pledges apart from this one. this leaked document reveals, ort— this leaked document reveals, erst tits— this leaked document reveals, erst this is— this leaked document reveals, and this is to— this leaked document reveals, and this is to give— this leaked document reveals, and this is to give those with so—ooitet— and this is to give those with so—called settled status in the unitet— so—called settled status in the united kingdom _ so—called settled status in the united kingdom the right to vote in perversi— united kingdom the right to vote in general elections . and the in general elections. and the soottisir— in general elections. and the scottish parliament has already torre— scottish parliament has already tore tiris. — scottish parliament has already tore this so— scottish parliament has already done this. so in— scottish parliament has already done this. so in in— scottish parliament has already done this. so in in scotland, if you-e— done this. so in in scotland, if vou-re o— done this. so in in scotland, if you're a migrant— done this. so in in scotland, if you're a migrant who hasn't resorte— you're a migrant who hasn't teoorrte o— you're a migrant who hasn't become a citizen- you're a migrant who hasn't become a citizen of the united kingdom— become a citizen of the united tipptorr, vou— become a citizen of the united kingdom, you can— become a citizen of the united kingdom, you can still vote in those— kingdom, you can still vote in those devolved— kingdom, you can still vote in those devolved elections. but you— those devolved elections. but you sort-t— those devolved elections. but you sort-t irr— those devolved elections. but you can't in general elections ort— you can't in general elections erst titt— you can't in general elections and that would— you can't in general elections and that would be the change that— and that would be the change that tire— and that would be the change that the labour— and that would be the change that the labour party would make if that the labour party would make it tits— that the labour party would make it this teetet— that the labour party would make if this leaked document becomes the if this leaked document becomes tire asteri— if this leaked document becomes the actual policy— if this leaked document becomes the actual policy prospectus for the actual policy prospectus for tire iotour— the actual policy prospectus for the labour party.— the actual policy prospectus for the labour party. those who have mote— the labour party. those who have mote their— the labour party. those who have made their lives— the labour party. those who have made their lives in— the labour party. those who have made their lives in the uk but teoitet— made their lives in the uk but teoitet tor— made their lives in the uk but decided for whatever reason to not become — decided for whatever reason to not become o— decided for whatever reason to not become a british citizen being— not become a british citizen teirre otte— not become a british citizen teirsp otie to— not become a british citizen being able to vote, and that's mitiiorrs— being able to vote, and that's miiiiorrs ot— being able to vote, and that's millions of people. i think the eu national question we're going to be debating this later in the show, so do stay tuned for that because we have two very different views on whether this is and should

is a good thing and should happen. but 16 and 17 year olds, you don't have to a great you don't have to be a great cynic to, uh, to think why labour would want to do that. well, looking at the way that the vote has become stratified, stratified age , it is now stratified by age, it is now more stratified than it has ever been by age . it's very often the been by age. it's very often the retrain— been by age. it's very often the retroirr titt— been by age. it's very often the refrain that younger— " 3 it's very often the refrain that younger people tend to te— refrain that younger people tend to te ore— refrain that younger people tend to be more liberal— refrain that younger people tend to be more liberal and older peopie— to be more liberal and older peopte tert— to be more liberal and older peopte test to— to be more liberal and older people tend to be more conservative. - people tend to be more conservative. but actually there are conservative. but actually there many— conservative. but actually there are many examples of elections in are many examples of elections ire-vipers— are many examples of elections in -where,.example. are many examples of elections in where, example , in history where, for example, iiorporet— in history where, for example, margaret thatcher won the 18 to 24 margaret thatcher won the 18 to ze voter— margaret thatcher won the 18 to 24 voter demographic. it's amazing— 24 voter demographic. it's amazing to— 24 voter demographic. it's amazing to think that, isn't it? it's remarkable. you— amazing to think that, isn't it? c you can amazing to think that, isn't it? c "it; you can see, it's remarkable. you can see, for it's remarkable. you can see, tor evampie— it's remarkable. you can see, tor evampie ,— it's remarkable. you can see, for example , young- c "it; you can see, for example , young conservative for example, young conservative ratiies— for example, young conservative raities tast— for example, young conservative rallies back from _ for example, young conservative rallies back from the 1980s vnere— rallies back from the 1980s vnere it— rallies back from the 1980s where it was— rallies back from the 1980s where it was cool to be a conservative. _ where it was cool to be a conservative. i'm not going to go tnat— conservative. i'm not going to go tnat p..— conservative. i'm not going to go that far, but— conservative. i'm not going to go that far, but certainly less anoooi— go that far, but certainly less anoooi tnan— go that far, but certainly less uncool than it— go that far, but certainly less uncool than it seems today . and uncool than it seems today. and so it— uncool than it seems today. and so it is— uncool than it seems today. and so it is interesting— uncool than it seems today. and so it is interesting that as voting— so it is interesting that as voting nas— so it is interesting that as voting has become more stratified— voting has become more stratified by— voting has become more stratified by age , we've seen stratified by age, we've seen tett— stratified by age, we've seen tett ving— stratified by age, we've seen left wing parties— stratified by age, we've seen left wing parties lean into this itea— left wing parties lean into this itea ot— left wing parties lean into this idea of lowering— left wing parties lean into this idea of lowering the franchise to a— idea of lowering the franchise to a relatively— idea of lowering the franchise to a relatively arbitrary figure of course, it's— to a relatively arbitrary figure of course, it's interesting

because— of course, it's interesting because in— of course, it's interesting because in almost every other etement— because in almost every other eiement ot— because in almost every other element of life— because in almost every other element of life ,_ because in almost every other element of life , 16 year olds element of life, 16 year olds ant— element of life, 16 year olds ant ii— element of life, 16 year olds ant ii vear— element of life, 16 year olds and 17 year olds— element of life, 16 year olds and 17 year olds have got fewer rignts— and 17 year olds have got fewer rignts .— and 17 year olds have got fewer rignts . tor— and 17 year olds have got fewer rights . for example, the way rights. for example, the way tnat— rights. for example, the way tnat tnev— rights. for example, the way that they can.— rights. for example, the way that they can. you now have an expectation— that they can. you now have an expectation to _ that they can. you now have an expectation to stay— that they can. you now have an expectation to stay in full time etaoation— expectation to stay in full time etaeation or— expectation to stay in full time education or training in a way tnat— education or training in a way tnat vou— education or training in a way that you could— education or training in a way that you could that did not exist— that you could that did not exist oniv— that you could that did not exist oniv a— that you could that did not exist only a few— that you could that did not exist only a few years ago. teopte— exist only a few years ago. iteopte tset— exist only a few years ago. people used to— exist only a few years ago. people used to leave school at 16. people used to leave school at to. nov— people used to leave school at to. nov tnat-s— people used to leave school at 16. now that's a— people used to leave school at 16. now that's a lot harder to us 16. now that's a lot harder to us vou— 16. now that's a lot harder to us you cant— 16. now that's a lot harder to us you can't actually be an attit— us you can't actually be an atait nov— us you can't actually be an adult now at— us you can't actually be an adult now at the- us you can't actually be an adult now at the age of 16, 17. van— adult now at the age of 16, 17. you cant— adult now at the age of 16, 17. you cant vou— adult now at the age of 16, 17. you can't you can't— adult now at the age of 16, 17. you can't you can't be- adult now at the age of 16, 17. you can't you can't be lfull. you can't you can't be in full term employment and you can't get married anymore that age get married anymore at that age either. there are so many titterent— it; there are so many different elements that we've been — different elements that we'vei teen—its been hearing and whether it's about—to- been hearing and whether it's| about—to raise about these proposals to raise the about these proposals to raise tne smoking— about these proposals to raise the smoking age— about these proposals to raise the smoking age to beyond 18 or onange— the smoking age to beyond 18 or onange tne— the smoking age to beyond 18 or enange tne vav— the smoking age to beyond 18 or change the way that someone can aonieve— change the way that someone can aonieve a— change the way that someone can achieve a driving— change the way that someone can achieve a driving licence until the achieve a driving licence until tne age— achieve a driving licence until tne age ot— achieve a driving licence until tne age oi oi. — achieve a driving licence until the age of 25. and so many titterent— the age of 25. and so many different elements of life. vie-ve— different elements of life. vie-ve teen— different elements of life. we've been saying that children snorti— we've been saying that children snoait nave— we've been saying that children should have fewer— we've been saying that children should have fewer rights and mm— should have fewer rights and ma voanger— should have fewer rights and that younger people should have ever— that younger people should have tever rignts— that younger people should have fewer rights apart— that younger people should have fewer rights apart from this ant— fewer rights apart from this ant it— fewer rights apart from this one. and it does seem that tnere-s— one. and it does seem that tnere-s a— one. and it does seem that there's a striking inconsistency tnere. — there's a striking inconsistency tnere. ains— there's a striking inconsistency there. also with— there's a striking inconsistency there. also with obviously the labour party spoke out against voter id because they argued

that this was an attempt by the conservative party to suppress the vote . well, you could argue the vote. well, you could argue that this is also an effort to manipulate the results of a future general elections anyway in a different way. but similar outcomes perhaps in other directions. now it's not all plain sailing in the conservative party. yesterday there was a conference in bournemouth. there there was a conference in bournemouth . there was the bournemouth. there was the conservative— there was the conservative democratic organisation. _ conservative democratic organisation. what some people nave— organisation. what some people nave pernaps— organisation. what some people have perhaps cynically called the have perhaps cynically called tne toot— have perhaps cynically called the foot soldiers— have perhaps cynically called the foot soldiers of boris ionnson— the foot soldiers of boris johnson, those- the foot soldiers of boris johnson, those who would really ratner— johnson, those who would really ratner — johnson, those who would really rather see rishi _ johnson, those who would really rather see rishi sunak turfed out rather see rishi sunak turfed oat ot— rather see rishi sunak turfed out of number— rather see rishi sunak turfed out of number 10. now i must stress— out of number 10. now i must stress tnat— out of number 10. now i must stress that the— out of number 10. now i must stress that the speakers at this conference really— stress that the speakers at this conference really did not say tnat— conference really did not say mm mm— conference really did not say that that was— conference really did not say that that was what they were tiere— that that was what they were tnere to — that that was what they were tnere to to. — that that was what they were there to do. for— that that was what they were there to do. for example , jacob there to do. for example, jacob tees—nogg— rees—mogg was saying, we really nave— rees—mogg was saying, we really nave to— rees—mogg was saying, we really nave to stet— rees—mogg was saying, we really have to stick with— rees—mogg was saying, we really have to stick with rishi sunak tease— have to stick with rishi sunak because.would_ have to stick with rishi sunak because would farcicalto because it would be farcical to onange— because it would be farcical to change leaders— because it would be farcical to change leaders yet again. toever— change leaders yet again. however for— change leaders yet again. however for those who have been reporting— however for those who have been reporting on— however for those who have been reporting on me— however for those who have been reporting on the ground, there nave— reporting on the ground, there nave teen— reporting on the ground, there have been saying there is an overwhelming— have been saying there is an overwhelming mood that the direction— overwhelming mood that the direction the— overwhelming mood that the direction the conservative party has direction the conservative party nas-in— direction the conservative party nas-in is— direction the conservative party nas-in is me— direction the conservative party has in is the wrong one, has gone in is the wrong one, tnat— has gone in is the wrong one, tnatlvas— has gone in is the wrong one, tnatlvas a— has gone in is the wrong one, that was a massive mistake to that it was a massive mistake to get rit— that it was a massive mistake to get no ot— that it was a massive mistake to get no ot torts— that it was a massive mistake to get rid of boris johnson. and if

anvtting—a- get rid of boris johnson. and if. anything,_a growing anything, we're seeing a growing caucus-peopie— anything, we're seeing a growing caucus-people and- caucus now of people and influential— caucus now of people and influential voices within the conservative _ influential voices within the conservative party trying to eontritute— conservative party trying to contribute to _ conservative party trying to contribute to that battle of item— contribute to that battle of iteas ant— contribute to that battle of ideas and perhaps even organise for ideas and perhaps even organise tor vnat— ideas and perhaps even organise tor vnat tne— ideas and perhaps even organise for what the party— ideas and perhaps even organise for what the party might look tite— for what the party might look iite ome— for what the party might look like come potential election toss.— like come potential election toss. ves— like come potential election loss. yes it's— like come potential election loss. yes it's very interesting. in loss. yes it's very interesting. in the— loss. yes it's very interesting. in tte san— loss. yes it's very interesting. in the sun this— loss. yes it's very interesting. in the sun this morning,- loss. yes it's very interesting. in the sun this morning, they're going big on priti patel. apparently she's going to war with rishi sunak and this is over the how boris johnson was ousted from the party in her view. but also interestingly , view. but also interestingly, see if i can just keep you for another minute in the express. i don't know if you've seen this morning, but big brexiteers david davis , andrea leadsom and david davis, andrea leadsom and liam fox have all written in a column, a joint column in support of kemi badenoch decision to u—turn on the repealing of all eu legislation on yes, it is an interesting one. this because it's a change in approaon— one. this because it's a change in approaen nov— this because it's a change in approach now. people around kemi— in approach now. people around temi vno— in approach now. people around temi vno are— in approach now. people around kemi who are cannot be doubted in men— kemi who are cannot be doubted

in their brexiteer— kemi who are cannot be doubted in their brexiteer credentials , in their brexiteer credentials, espeeiaiiv— in their brexiteer credentials, especially some— in their brexiteer credentials, especially some of her advisers nave— especially some of her advisers nave teen— especially some of her advisers have been saying— especially some of her advisers have been saying that actually tnis— have been saying that actually tits is— have been saying that actually tits is a— have been saying that actually this is a better— have been saying that actually this is a better way to get rid of this is a better way to get rid ot tu— this is a better way to get rid ot it tav— this is a better way to get rid ot it tav in— this is a better way to get rid of eu law in a— this is a better way to get rid of eu law in a more methodical way— of eu law in a more methodical vav to— of eu law in a more methodical way to toots— of eu law in a more methodical way to toms on— of eu law in a more methodical way to focus on that which snouit— way to focus on that which snouit te— way to focus on that which should be removed rather than tnat— should be removed rather than tnat vnion— should be removed rather than that which should be kept out. however, those _ that which should be kept out. however, those around jacob tees-nogg— however, those around jacob rees—mogg, who of course drew up the rees—mogg, who of course drew up tne tegisiation— rees—mogg, who of course drew up the legislation originally say sometning— the legislation originally say something very— the legislation originally say something very different, and tnat-s— something very different, and tnat-s tnat— something very different, and that's that the— something very different, and that's that the reason there was tnis— that's that the reason there was tnis snset— that's that the reason there was this sunset clause— that's that the reason there was this sunset clause there is to vort— this sunset clause there is to work tite— this sunset clause there is to work erg with— this sunset clause there is to work erg with the impetus of the avi— work erg with the impetus of the oivii service,— work erg with the impetus of the civil service, which— work erg with the impetus of the civil service, which is often tne— civil service, which is often tne impetus— civil service, which is often the impetus of— civil service, which is often the impetus of the civil service,— the impetus of the civil service, is— the impetus of the civil service, is to- the impetus of the civil service, is to keep things the inat-s— service, is to keep things the same. that's to— service, is to keep things the same. that's to not really upset the same. that's to not really upset me appie— same. that's to not really upset me appte eart— same. that's to not really upset the apple cart. therefore, naving— the apple cart. therefore, naving a— the apple cart. therefore, having a this,— the apple cart. therefore, having a this, this, this sunset isase— having a this, this, this sunset stats in— having a this, this, this sunset clause in the— having a this, this, this sunset clause in the legislation means if clause in the legislation means it met— clause in the legislation means it tnev vant— clause in the legislation means it tnev vant to — clause in the legislation means if they want to keep anything, tnev— if they want to keep anything, tnev nave— if they want to keep anything, tnev nave to — if they want to keep anything, they have to work really hard to keep— they have to work really hard to keep it.— they have to work really hard to keep it. teat— they have to work really hard to keep it. yeah whereas a flipping tnat— keep it. yeah whereas a flipping tnat rotnt— keep it. yeah whereas a flipping tnat rotnt as— keep it. yeah whereas a flipping that round as it— keep it. yeah whereas a flipping that round as it has been that round as it now has been ripped— that round as it now has been ttippet vneretv— that round as it now has been flipped whereby you have to work reattv— flipped whereby you have to work reattv tart— flipped whereby you have to work reattv tart to— flipped whereby you have to work really hard to remove something, otnervise— really hard to remove something, otherwise everything is kept. vot— otherwise everything is kept. vot san— otherwise everything is kept. vot sort— otherwise everything is kept. you can sort of— otherwise everything is kept. you can sort of see how the stats— you can sort of see how the statts ato— you can sort of see how the status quo bias— you can sort of see how the status quo bias then keep status quo bias might then keep us status quo bias might then keep ts stoser to— status quo bias might then keep us closer to - eu _ status quo bias might then keep us closer to eu regulatory us closer to that eu regulatory ortit— us closer to that eu regulatory ortit . — us closer to that eu regulatory ortit . tes.— us closer to that eu regulatory orbit. yes, and— us closer to that eu regulatory orbit . yes, and it's- us closer to that eu regulatory orbit. 4:1: pi: us closer to that eu regulatory orbit. 4:5 pi: orbit. yes, and it's that rather controversial debate over

whether in itself is whether whitehall in itself is causing some of the inertia here. but we'll get on to that again in the show. we'll again later in the show. we'll be debating thank you be debating that, too. thank you very tom harwood. very much indeed, tom harwood. our editor, our deputy political editor, bringing us up to speed on what's going on in wonderful what's going on in the wonderful and of westminster. and weird world of westminster. so net migration , our big story so net migration, our big story of the day in the uk this year could reach 1 million people. that's more than 45,000 migrants arrived on small boats in 2022. over 6800 have crossed the channel this year. that's a tiny fraction of the total number of people who are settling in the uk. each year. the figures are looking pretty startling. so joining me now is co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani and gb news presenter patrick christys. thank you very much to you both for joining christys. thank you very much to you both forjoining me this you both for joining me this afternoon. aaron, i'll start with you. what do you make of these figures? they are projections, but it looks highly likely we're going to have likely that we're going to have net migration the very net migration in in the very high hundreds of thousands. well, what do i make of them?

like you say, it's important to stav— like you say, it's important to stav at— like you say, it's important to stay at me— like you say, it's important to stay at me top,— like you say, it's important to stay at the top, that we won't know— stay at the top, that we won't know tne — stay at the top, that we won't know the actual— stay at the top, that we won't know the actual figures for this tntit— know the actual figures for this tntit tne— know the actual figures for this until the end— know the actual figures for this until the end of— know the actual figures for this until the end of month. 'i: until the end of the month. and these— until the end of the month. and these - projections _ until the end of the month. and these. projections that- until the end of the month. and these projections that have these are projections that have come think tank, but come out from a think tank, but they broadly seem correct. if you look at the data underpinning them, the telegraph did underpinning them, the telegraph tit—tnis- did a good piece on this asttattv— did a good piece on this actually earlier the did a good piece on this- actually earlier-the week. actually earlier on in the week. most— actually earlier on in the week. most ot— actually earlier on in the week. most ot tne— actually earlier on in the week. most of the people of that 650,000— most of the people of that. 650,000 _figure, 650,000 to 1 million figure, most— 650,000 to 1 million figure, most ot— 650,000 to 1 million figure, most ot-are- 650,000 to 1 million figure, most of are people coming most of them are people coming nere— most of them are people coming here-students— most of them are people coming here-students-their- here as students and their tepentents— here as students and their tepentents .— here as students and their dependents . after that, you've dependents. after that, you've got peopte— dependents. after that, you've got peopte vno— dependents. after that, you've got people who are coming here for got people who are coming here tor-ant— got people who are coming here tor-ant tneir— got people who are coming here for and their dependents , for work and their dependents, ant— for work and their dependents, ant tnen— for work and their dependents, ant tnen vot— for work and their dependents, and then you have people here vno— and then you have people here vno-migrating— and then you have people here who migrating the uk as a who are migrating to the uk as a restit— who are migrating to the uk as a restttltamitv— who are migrating to the uk as a result family issues. so result of family issues. so mavte— result of family issues. so maybe they've _ result of family issues. so maybe they've married british maybe they've married a british nationat—vot- maybe they've married a british national you know, national or it's the, you know, its—or- national or it's the, you know, its—or tne- national or it's the, you know, it's—or the son. national or it's the, you know,| it's—or the son of it's the daughter or the son of a ot— it's the daughter or the son of a ot a— it's the daughter or the son of a ot a net— it's the daughter or the son of a of a new newly— it's the daughter or the son of a of a new newly naturalised tritisn— a of a new newly naturalised british national.— a of a new newly naturalised british national. and at the top you british national. and at the top vot reattv— british national. and at the top vot reattv nave— british national. and at the top you really have apart from ukrainians,— you really have apart from ukrainians, a— you really have apart from ukrainians, a very small sliver of ukrainians, a very small sliver ot peopte— ukrainians, a very small sliver of people coming— ukrainians, a very small sliver of people coming over as rettgees— of people coming over as rettgees. it— of people coming over as refugees. it should be said. i asttattv— refugees. it should be said. i was actually shocked at how few atgnans— was actually shocked at how few afghans-included- was actually shocked at how few afghans included in afghans were included in that tigtre. — afghans were included in that figure. approximately figure. you've got approximately 200,000— figure. you've got approximately 200,0 overwhelmingly where really overwhelmingly where asvttm— really overwhelmingly where asylum -those - really overwhelmingly where asylum those fleeing asylum seekers, those fleeing potitisat— asylum seekers, those fleeing political volatility and whatnot are political volatility and whatnot soming— political volatility and whatnot are coming from. _ political volatility and whatnot are coming from. it's from ukraine.— are coming from. it's from ukraine. so— are coming from. it's from ukraine. so it— are coming from. it's from ukraine. so it was shocking to

me— ukraine. so it was shocking to me ant— ukraine. so it was shocking to me ant i— ukraine. so it was shocking to me and i think— ukraine. so it was shocking to me and i think for your viewers, tnev— me and i think for your viewers, tnev viti— me and i think for your viewers, they will remember that famous tine— they will remember that famous tine trom — they will remember that famous line from david— they will remember that famous line from david cameron 2010. line from david cameron in 2010. we line from david cameron in 2010. tie viti— line from david cameron in 2010. we will reduce— line from david cameron in 2010. we will reduce immigration to the we will reduce immigration to tne tens— we will reduce immigration to tne tens ot— we will reduce immigration to the tens of thousands, yet the tens of thousands, and yet vere—ant- we're at a million. and i stppose— we're at a million. and i stppose tne— we're at a million. and i suppose the question i'd throw overlvot— suppose the question i'd throw overlvot ant— suppose the question i'd throw over you and patrick is, over to you and to patrick is, you— over to you and to patrick is, vot know,— over to you and to patrick is, vot know, me— over to you and to patrick is, you know, the tories love to say,— you know, the tories love to says—imagi"e| you know, the tories love to- say,_imagine what say, well, can you imagine what it-te— say, well, can you imagine what it-te it— say, well, can you imagine what it-te it it— say, well, can you imagine what it-te it it vas— say, well, can you imagine what it be if it was labour? it would be if it was labour? visit— it would be if it was labour? visit me— it would be if it was labour? well the kinds— it would be if it was labour? well the kinds of net migration ve-re—vear-tastl we're seeing this year and last year,— we're seeing this year and last year, vnetner— we're seeing this year and last year, whether agree it year, whether you agree with it or-vitn— year, whether you agree with it or-with.whatever. or disagree with it, whatever its— or disagree with it, whatever it's unprecedented and it's notning— it's unprecedented and it's nothing like— it's unprecedented and it's nothing like what saw with nothing like what we saw with tatotr— nothing like what we saw with tatotr-to-il labour from 1997 to 2010. i tnint— labour from 1997 to 2010. i think absolutely think that's absolutely right. patriot— think that's absolutely right. patrick a— think that's absolutely right. patrick a lot— think that's absolutely right. patrick a lot of— think that's absolutely right. patrick a lot of people- think that's absolutely right. patrick a lot of people voted to remove new labour from government because they were unhappy with the staggering levels of immigration . and then levels of immigration. and then what do you see? well, you see success of conservative governments absolutely give up. it seems , on trying to bring it seems, on trying to bring those levels down and sky rocketing potentially to 1 million. it is a bit of a slap in the face to people who put their trust in in the government to reduce those levels . there to reduce those levels. there absolutely is an— to reduce those levels. there absolutely is an arrow- there absolutely is an arrow on that is somptetetv— absolutely is an arrow on that is completely right. i mean, if tne— is completely right. i mean, if the conservatives— is completely right. i mean, if the conservatives gives maybe one-tnings— the conservatives gives maybe one-things that-

the conservatives gives maybe one things that they had one of the things that they had v-aste— one of the things that they had was,-be tougher- one of the things that they had was, be tougher on was, oh, we'll be tougher on immigration— was, oh, we'll be tougher on immigration, that's immigration, well, that's somptetetv— immigration, well, that's completely gone. and i think a lot completely gone. and i think a tot ot— completely gone. and i think a tot ot peopte— completely gone. and i think a lot of people are— completely gone. and i think a lot of people are going to just rott— lot of people are going to just rot-ant— lot of people are going to just rott-ant sav- lot of people are going to just roll and say, well, roll over now and say, well, tnere—inere- roll over now and say, well, there _there is l there is nothing. there is a rizta— there is nothing. there is a rizta paper— there is nothing. there is a rizla paper between the labour party— rizla paper between the labour iartv-tne— rizla paper between the labour party-the tories- rizla paper between the labour party the tories when it party and the tories when it comes immigration and comes to immigration and arguable_ comes to immigration and arguably, definitely, arguably, well, definitely, asttattv— arguably, well, definitely, actually tories arguably, well, definitely,- actually-tories-record actually the tories track record oneven-— actually the tories track record on-even worse. _ actually the tories track record on even worse. and i think on it is even worse. and i think tnat— on it is even worse. and i think mm is— on it is even worse. and i think tnat is pretty— on it is even worse. and i think that is pretty-more. that is pretty shocking. more so tnan—tne- that is pretty shocking. more so than—the lies,i than that for me, it's the lies, okay?— than that for me, it's the lies, okay? ant— than that for me, it's the lies, okay? ant it— than that for me, it's the lies, okay? and it is— than that for me, it's the lies, okay? and it is the abject lies we've been lied— okay? and it is the abject lies we've been lied to about the tests— we've been lied to about the tesire to— we've been lied to about the desire to reduce— we've been lied to about the desire to reduce net immigration to tie— desire to reduce net immigration to tne tens— desire to reduce net immigration to tne tens ot— desire to reduce net immigration to the tens of thousands. on top of to the tens of thousands. on top ot—vve— to the tens of thousands. on top ot—vve are- to the tens of thousands. on top ot—vve in- to the tens of thousands. on top ot—vve in mi of that as well. we are, in my view— of that as well. we are, in my vievlto— of that as well. we are, in my view,-to about- view, lied to about about stttent— view, lied to about about student visas. _ view, lied to about about. student visas. _that student visas. they say that ontv— student visas. they say that ontv-minoritv- student visas. they say that- only - minority overstayed only a small minority overstayed tneir— only a small minority overstayed tneir-or— only a small minority overstayed their-or legally— only a small minority overstayed their-or legally _to. their visa or legally choose to remain. that's— their visa or legally choose to remain. that's claim that remain. that's the claim that mates— remain. that's the claim that makes-palatable- remain. that's the claim that makes palatable to makes it more palatable to peopte— makes it more palatable to people-figures- makes it more palatable to people figures like these people when figures like these pretistions— people when figures like these predictions drop.— people when figures like these predictions drop. that say rotgntv— predictions drop. that say routpredicted_ predictions drop. that say routpredicted to arrive this are predicted to arrive this year.— are predicted to arrive this year. ttt— are predicted to arrive this year. ttt tne— are predicted to arrive this year. but the office for tationat— year. but the office for national that national statistics says that tnere—tigtrest there are no official figures tnat— there are no official figures tnat-nov— there are no official figures that-how many- there are no official figures that how many students do that show how many students do notremai—n- that show how many students do notremai—n in- that show how many students do not—remain in the. not emigrate and remain in the uk not emigrate and remain in the it .— not emigrate and remain in the it . ant— not emigrate and remain in the uk . and indeed— not emigrate and remain in the uk . and indeed every single year uk. and indeed every single year mse— uk. and indeed every single year sinse-onen— uk. and indeed every single year sinse-vnen ,— uk. and indeed every single year since-when , as— uk. and indeed every single year since -when , as we- uk. and indeed every single year since when , as we all since 2012, when, as we all know,— since 2012, when, as we all know, immigration, net migration was know, immigration, net migration a tot— know, immigration, net migration a tot tovver— know, immigration, net migration was a lot lower, around 100,000 more-immigrants- was a lot lower, around 100,000 more immigrants arrive more student immigrants arrive tivet— more student immigrants arrive tivet tnan— more student immigrants arrive lived than emigrated from the year— lived than emigrated from the year tetore. — lived than emigrated from the year before. so— lived than emigrated from the year before. so if— lived than emigrated from the year before. so if you magnify

tnat— year before. so if you magnify tnat ott— year before. so if you magnify that out, that— year before. so if you magnify that out, that is— year before. so if you magnify that out, that is a— year before. so if you magnify that out, that is a huge number. vie-ve— that out, that is a huge number. vie-ve spoken— that out, that is a huge number. we've spoken about their we've spoken a bit about their tepentense— we've spoken a bit about their dependence sometimes dependence as well. sometimes tnev— dependence as well. sometimes tnev-as— dependence as well. sometimes tnev-as manv- dependence as well. sometimes tnev-as manv as- dependence as well. sometimes they as many as four they can bring as many as four tepentents— they can bring as many as four dependents—me. they can bring as many as four dependents—me it| dependents over, but for me it is not— dependents over, but for me it is not itst— dependents over, but for me it is not just about— dependents over, but for me it is not just about these numbers tnat— is not just about these numbers mm were— is not just about these numbers that we're talking— is not just about these numbers that we're talking about here. ant— that we're talking about here. ant-it— that we're talking about here. ant-it toots- that we're talking about here. and-it looks-a- and the way it looks on a spreadsheet.— and the way it looks on a. spreadsheet-we're spreadsheet. i'm sure we're going— spreadsheet. i'm sure we're going-sttst- spreadsheet. i'm sure we're going-stuck into- spreadsheet. i'm sure we're going stuck into the going to get stuck into the economic-of- going to get stuck into the economic-of it.- going to get stuck into the economic of it. but just economic angle of it. but just gtisttt— economic angle of it. but just quicklyv tt— economic angle of it. but just quickly, i'd-talk- quickly, i'd like to talk a tittie— quickly, i'd like to talk a tittte tit— quickly, i'd like to talk a little bit about something i vottt— little bit about something i vottt argte— little bit about something i would argue as— little bit about something i would argue as being a bit more important,— would argue as being a bit more important,-which- would argue as being a bit more important, which is important, really, which is tnings— important, really, which is things-culture,- important, really, which is things culture, way life things like culture, way of life ant— things like culture, way of life ant rapit— things like culture, way of life and rapid demographic change. and and rapid demographic change. ant-ntman— and rapid demographic change. and human instinct to and it is a human instinct to want— and it is a human instinct to want to— and it is a human instinct to want to preserve— and it is a human instinct to- want to preserve—live. want to preserve where you live. tespte— want to preserve where you live. tespte-tsz— want to preserve where you live. people-hs2lplanning. people oppose hs2 or planning developments, for example, because their because they don't want their area change. and so if it's area to change. and so if it's sosiattv— area to change. and so if it's socially acceptable- area to change. and so if it's socially acceptable to- 311i? fg and so if it's socially acceptable to to socially acceptable to want to ttost— socially acceptable to want to ttost a— socially acceptable to want to ttost a nev— socially acceptable to want to block a new housing development tesse— block a new housing development tesatse-ton-t— block a new housing development because-don't want- block a new housing development because don't want your area because you don't want your area to—nas- because you don't want your area to—nas to- because you don't want your area to—nas to tel to change, i think it has to be sosiattv— to change, i think it has to be socially acceptable to say i vottt— socially acceptable to say i would really— socially acceptable to say i would really prefer it if my town— would really prefer it if my town titn-t— would really prefer it if my town didn't suddenly become minoritv— town didn't suddenly become minority-ant- town didn't suddenly become minority-and i- town didn't suddenly become minority and i think minority british and i think it's minority british and i think its a— minority british and i think it's a problem— minority british and i think it's a problem really. it's a prottem— it's a problem really. it's a problem that— it's a problem really. it's a problem that not enough people tnint— problem that not enough people tnint or— problem that not enough people tnint or are— problem that not enough people think or are vocal— problem that not enough people think or are vocal enough about tnat. — think or are vocal enough about tnat. tes.— think or are vocal enough about that. yes, patrick,— think or are vocal enough about that. yes, patrick, i— think or are vocal enough about that. 4:5 its/1 that. yes, patrick, i think that's certainly true. aaron, what do you say to that? 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, you know, we talk about it in terms of economics, but actually deep down in people's hearts, they are concerned because the country that they grew up in perhaps doesn't look like how it used to, is that a nasty, horrible thing to say or point out ? well, there's a few horrible thing to say or point out? well, there's a few things i want to pick up. so firstly, on the economy,— its/

was-case because - truss practically admitted that was case because aaron, was the case because aaron, votre— was the case because aaron, vote on me— was the case because aaron, you're on the on— was the case because aaron, you're on the on the left economically— you're on the on the left economically ,- you're on the on the left economically , people , people economically, people, people peopte— economically, people, people people continue _ economically, people, people people continue to say, what did you people continue to say, what did vot sav— people continue to say, what did vot say 7 — people continue to say, what did vot sav e tast— people continue to say, what did vot save itst a— people continue to say, what did you say ? just a bit.- people continue to say, what did you say ? g g you say? just a bit. just a bit. just a bit. you're— you say? just a bit. just a bit. just a bit. you're on— you say? just a bit. just a bit. just a bit. you're on the- you say? g g just a bit. you're on the left. teopte— just a bit. you're on the left. iteopte sav— just a bit. you're on the left. iteopte sav ,— just a bit. you're on the left. iteopte sav , vot— just a bit. you're on the left. people say , you know, it's people say, you know, it's essentiat— people say, you know, it's essential to _ people say, you know, it's essential to have immigration for essential to have immigration tor — essential to have immigration for economic growth . you've just for economic growth. you've just sotnteret— for economic growth. you've just countered that— for economic growth. you've just countered that with the point tnat— countered that with the point tnat ves— countered that with the point tnat yes in— countered that with the point that yes, in terms of gdp, it toots— that yes, in terms of gdp, it toots tite— that yes, in terms of gdp, it looks like it,— that yes, in terms of gdp, it looks like it, but— that yes, in terms of gdp, it looks like it, but not when it to— looks like it, but not when it to per— looks like it, but not when it comes to per capita. do you tnint— comes to per capita. do you tnint tnat— comes to per capita. do you think that mass— comes to per capita. do you think that mass immigration has to tet— think that mass immigration has to tet tne— think that mass immigration has to led the stagnation of wages , to led the stagnation of wages, nas— to led the stagnation of wages, nas stoppet— to led the stagnation of wages, has stopped our— to led the stagnation of wages, has stopped our economy from tesoming— has stopped our economy from becoming more— has stopped our economy from becoming more productive in otner— becoming more productive in otner vavs— becoming more productive in otner vavs ,— becoming more productive in other ways , and— becoming more productive in other ways , and that we're other ways, and that we're asttattv— other ways, and that we're asttattv itst— other ways, and that we're actually just taking advantage of actually just taking advantage ot peopte— actually just taking advantage of people coming over from intia— of people coming over from india, pakistan— of people coming over from india, pakistan ,_ of people coming over from india, pakistan , or wherever it india, pakistan, or wherever it is to— india, pakistan, or wherever it is to vort— india, pakistan, or wherever it is to work those _ india, pakistan, or wherever it is to work those menial jobs. tor— is to work those menial jobs. tor ts— is to work those menial jobs. tor it— is to work those menial jobs. for us, it doesn't— is to work those menial jobs. for us, it doesn't seem like a verv— for us, it doesn't seem like a very sustainable— for us, it doesn't seem like a very sustainable way of running votr— very sustainable way of running on esonomv— very sustainable way of running your economy, does it ? i1:i" very sustainable way of running your economy, does it ? 1:1“ your economy, does it? so on the tant— your economy, does it? so on the tant. i— your economy, does it? so on the one hand, i think the fact we had large scale immigration after 2004, particularly from central and eastern europe, i think that's a big reason why we have low inflation this have low inflation in this country then. it's the country after then. it's not the only but you know, also only reason. but you know, also i making loads

i think china making loads of cheap for the whole world cheap stuff for the whole world is another we've had low is another reason we've had low inflation for years inflation for about 15 years until last couple of years. until the last couple of years. and reason why was, you and a big reason why was, you know, into the know, immigration into the labour particularly for labour market, particularly for things goods, things like agricultural goods, food building. et food processing, building. et cetera. construction cetera. et cetera. construction ian one thing. ian so that's one thing. it's helped inflation and helped keep inflation low. and of we'd of course, politicians say we'd like inflation low. i like to keep inflation low. i think it really doesn't it doesn't really matter. it's let me a counter example me give you a counter example here. china, for instance, here. so china, for instance, has around million people has around 1.1 million people even now , i'm going from country even now, i'm going from country to city every year. and that's a high growth economy. it's becoming a more innovative economy of what that economy because of what that looks like. so you can see a world we have very large immigration in this country and it still leads to high gdp, high growth, rising productivity. it's plausible in the realms of abstraction. i mean, look at somewhere like dubai or the uae. you know, an economic you know, it's an economic powerhouse the back of powerhouse off the back of immigration. however that isn't the that had . but the model that we've had. but you absolute massive 20, 25 you have absolute massive 20, 25 years. you absolutely years. you have absolutely massive places massive inequality in places like , of course, places like dubai, of course, places like dubai, of course, places like kong , you have

like hong kong, you have practically underclass doing practically an underclass doing all of the menial mean , menial all of the menial mean, menial jobs. you might call them. iatrist— jobs. you might call them. patrick coming— you might call them. patrick coming back to basically the patrick coming back to basically tne vestem— patrick coming back to basically the western world's reaction, ttrope-s— the western world's reaction, europe's reaction— the western world's reaction, europe's reaction in i don't mov— europe's reaction in i don't know it— europe's reaction in i don't know if you've— europe's reaction in i don't know if you've seen, but germany are know if you've seen, but germany verv— know if you've seen, but germany verv mtsn— know if you've seen, but germany are very much looking to abandon tnat— are very much looking to abandon tnat open— are very much looking to abandon tnat open door— are very much looking to abandon that open door policy that angeta— that open door policy that angela merkel_ that open door policy that angela merkel brought in during the angela merkel brought in during tne migration— angela merkel brought in during the migration crisis when she essentiattv— the migration crisis when she essentially flung open the doors to peopte— essentially flung open the doors to peopte trom — essentially flung open the doors to people from syria and from all to people from syria and from at over— to people from syria and from at att— to people from syria and from all over, all of— to people from syria and from all over, all of the all over me— all over, all of the all over tne wopg, — all over, all of the all over the world, really. it turned out . to— the world, really. it turned out . to vot— the world, really. it turned out . to vot tnint— the world, really. it turned out . do you think that we're risking— . do you think that we're risking some— . do you think that we're risking some we're risking a tasttasn— risking some we're risking a backlash here— risking some we're risking a backlash here with these with tnese— backlash here with these with these figures— backlash here with these with these figures ?_ backlash here with these with these figures ? yeah. no. �*00 volt: these figures? yeah. no. 100. we are these figures? yeah. no. 100. we risking— these figures? yeah. no. 100. we risting a— these figures? yeah. no. 100. we are risking a backlash here. now, i want to preface what i'm about to say by saying that, look, in the round, clearly migration to britain has been a good and certainly you good thing. and certainly you don't just, by the way, have to be white in order to be british. that the bleeding that is stating the bleeding obvious, wanted say obvious, but i wanted to say that some kind of that in case in some kind of weird backlash, but the weird twitter backlash, but the demographics to this i was speaking to a demographic expert on show in week. on my show earlier in the week. he britain, is

he said that britain, by 2050 is predicted to be 50% white, roughly around 85% now, and 75% non—white in primary schools by 2050. now, this indicates clearly a very rapid and very strong cultural change and dare i say it, religious change as well. and the evidence of how integration hasn't necessarily always worked is plain to see in places like bradford, russia, wakefield , etcetera. we all know wakefield, etcetera. we all know the kind of areas around the uk, so rapid high speed population growth that involves different cultures and different religions who are, by the way, very keen and in some ways i've got massive respect for them because i wish the british people were keen, as keen to cling on to their culture as some people coming of coming from different parts of the world, but people who were very to their very keen to cling on to their cultures, therefore cultures, then therefore obviously end up dominating obviously can end up dominating areas real areas and that can be a real risk. but you know , it's not so risk. but you know, it's not so much about this, you know, much just about this, you know, racial differences anything much just about this, you know, racis'thatferences anything much just about this, you know, racis'that orences anything much just about this, you know, racis'that or religiousanything like that or religious differences or cultural differences. i really do think it's pace it. it's the

it's the pace of it. it's the absolutely pace of it. and absolutely rapid pace of it. and when those when you look at those demographic predictions, it is reasonable we reasonable to suggest that we have reached the point have already reached the point of return . yeah and just very of no return. yeah and just very tasty— of no return. yeah and just very tasttv to— of no return. yeah and just very tasttv to tnat— of no return. yeah and just very lastly to that point,— of no return. yeah and just very lastly to that point, you- / and just very lastly to that point, you you i ton-t— lastly to that point, you you i ton-t tnint— lastly to that point, you you i don't think you— lastly to that point, you you i don't think you answered that point— don't think you answered that point eartier— don't think you answered that point earlier in— don't think you answered that point earlier in the discussion . to— point earlier in the discussion . to vot— point earlier in the discussion . to vot tnint— point earlier in the discussion . do you think that it is a prottem — . do you think that it is a problem that— . do you think that it is a problem that we're seeing such rapit— problem that we're seeing such rapid cultural— problem that we're seeing such rapid cultural change in this sotntrve — rapid cultural change in this country? well,— rapid cultural change in this country? well, i- rapid cultural change in this country? epic: rapid cultural change in this country? well, i think what matters is to voters think it's a problem. you know, i mean, i can give my two bobs one, aaron, doesit can give my two bobs one, aaron, does it worry you? does it worry you?— does it worry you? does it worry you? i— does it worry you? does it worry you? i mean— does it worry you? does it worry you? i ,— does it worry you? does it worry you? i , it— does it worry you? does it worry you? i mean , it depends- : g 7 does it worry you? i mean , it depends where, you? i mean, it depends where, for you? i mean, it depends where, tor istanse— you? i mean, it depends where, tor istanse i— you? i mean, it depends where, for instance, i disagree with too— for instance, i disagree with too peopte— for instance, i disagree with 300 people being dumped in a smatt— 300 people being dumped in a smatt vittage— 300 people being dumped in a small village who are claiming asvttm.— small village who are claiming asvttm. — small village who are claiming asvttm. |ttint— small village who are claiming asylum. ithink if— small village who are claiming asylum. �*" : asylum. i think if london has an extra 100,000 people who are brown or black, i don't think that makes the slightest difference. so in terms of in terms of migrants going to larger cities high larger cities with high population already very population density already very mixed, frankly mixed, i don't think i frankly think very people would think very few people would nofice think very few people would notice and think this actually gets core of what gets to the core of what happened with brexit. lots of people said, places with people said, oh, the places with the are the

the least immigration are the most . they oppose brexit. most racist. they oppose brexit. but you look at someone like boston, instance, the boston, for instance, the capital of brexit, it yes, it had still very white, but had it was still very white, but actually it's in most actually it's in the most demographic after demographic change after 2004. so even though it's still very white, seemingly very white, still seemingly very homogenous, had homogenous, it had changed a great and i think what great deal. and i think what we're this wave we're seeing now with this wave is a different. mean, is a bit different. i mean, let's see. but because of the educational of elements of educational kind of elements of it, these people are generally gravitating towards university towns, larger cities, places which be honest, are more which let's be honest, are more comfortable demographic comfortable with demographic change of change and the pace of demographic so i'm not demographic change. so i'm not making any conclusions off the back i think that back of that, but i think that looks little bit different to looks a little bit different to say, eastern european is say, central eastern european is going bognor or going to boston or bognor or skegness in the mid 2000. yeah, well, what we do know- skegness in the mid 2000. yeah, well, what we do know is- g 1�* r: $7000 yeah, well, what we do know is that tnis— well, what we do know is that tnislgoing— well, what we do know is that tnislgoing to— well, what we do know is that this-going to be— well, what we do know is that this-going to be a- well, what we do know is that this going to be a massive this is going to be a massive neatasne— this is going to be a massive headache for— this is going to be a massive headache for the— this is going to be a massive headache for the government to try headache for the government to trvlevptain— headache for the government to try-explain these— headache for the government to try explain these figures to try to explain these figures to the try to explain these figures to tne ptttis— try to explain these figures to the public who— try to explain these figures to the public who thought that theyj were trying to bring the numbers tovn— were trying to bring the numbers town—naivetv. l down anyway. perhaps naively. inant— down anyway. perhaps naively. inant vot— down anyway. perhaps naively. inant vot verv— down anyway. perhaps naively. thank you very much indeed. aaron— thank you very much indeed. aaron co—founder aaron bastani, co—founder of novara— aaron bastani, co—founder of novara media— aaron bastani, co—founder of novara media and news novara media and gb news presenter— novara media and gb news presenter there _ novara media and gb news presenter there patrick christys tatt— presenter there patrick christys iatt ts— presenter there patrick christys talk us through— presenter there patrick christys talk us through those potential net migration—

talk us through those potential net migration figures that we're tasing— net migration figures that we're tasing tp— net migration figures that we're tasing tp to— net migration figures that we're tasing tp to i— net migration figures that we're facing up to 1 million. this is gb facing up to 1 million. this is st nevs— facing up to 1 million. this is gb news sunday— facing up to 1 million. this is gb news sunday with me, emily carver.— gb news sunday with me, emily carver. coming— gb news sunday with me, emily carver. coming up— gb news sunday with me, emily carver. coming up on the show , carver. coming up on the show, the carver. coming up on the show, me votnger— carver. coming up on the show, the younger royals— carver. coming up on the show, the younger royals stepped up to the younger royals stepped up to tne ptate— the younger royals stepped up to the plate during— the younger royals stepped up to the plate during the coronation. so the plate during the coronation. so-tirm-s— the plate during the coronation. so-firm's future- the plate during the coronation. so-firm's future in- the plate during the coronation. so firm's future in safe so is the firm's future in safe nanose— so is the firm's future in safe nantse stav— so is the firm's future in safe hands? stay with—

listening to gb news radio. welcome back to gb news listening to gb news radio.- . welcome back to gb news sunday listening to gb news radio.- . welcome back to gb nyoursunday listening to gb news radio.- . welcome back to gb nyour tthay with me, emily carver on your tv ant— with me, emily carver on your tv ant tigitat— with me, emily carver on your tv and digital radio. _ with me, emily carver on your tv and digital radio. so after last veet-s— and digital radio. so after last week's stunning display of pomp and pageantry, all eyes are now on the younger members of the royal as they up for royal family as they gear up for their roles in the new era their roles in the new royal era . the princess wales put in a . the princess of wales put in a special surprise appearance for eurovision let's eurovision last night. let's have listen . have a quick listen. along with their parents, george , charlotte and louis are also taking on a bigger role as they begin to partake in royal

duties. representing the firm's future. so joining me now is richard fitzwilliams , royal richard fitzwilliams, royal commentator. richard, richard fitzwilliams, royal commentator . richard, there richard fitzwilliams, royal commentator. richard, there you heard my intro there talking about the younger royals. are they actually , you know, they actually, you know, stepping up to the plate already ? well i think one of the problems and this is something that king charles is going to have to deal with, as we saw on in the in the first set of photographs which was released after the highly successful coronation weekend , we saw there coronation weekend, we saw there were 12 kyiv working members of the royal family of which only four were below the age of 70. so this does raise the point. tirsttv— so this does raise the point. firstlvv vot — so this does raise the point. firstly, you showed a charming stip— firstly, you showed a charming stip ot— firstly, you showed a charming clip of william— firstly, you showed a charming clip of william and catherine ant— clip of william and catherine ant atso— clip of william and catherine ant atso, ot— clip of william and catherine and also, of course , george and and also, of course, george and cnartotte— and also, of course, george and charlotte and— and also, of course, george and charlotte and louis, and they

ptavet— charlotte and louis, and they ptavet a— charlotte and louis, and they ptavet a rote— charlotte and louis, and they played a role of— charlotte and louis, and they played a role of one sort or anotner— played a role of one sort or anotner in— played a role of one sort or another in the— played a role of one sort or another in the different days in the another in the different days in tne ttring— another in the different days in the during the— another in the different days in the during the coronation veetent— the during the coronation veetent .— the during the coronation veetent . i— the during the coronation weekend . i mean, it was weekend. i mean, it was vonterttt— weekend. i mean, it was wonderful to _ weekend. i mean, it was wonderful to see george as a page— wonderful to see george as a page ot— wonderful to see george as a page ot nonor— wonderful to see george as a page of honour, but it is otviotstv— page of honour, but it is obviously going to be a long time— obviously going to be a long time before— obviously going to be a long time before any— obviously going to be a long time before any of them are able to partisipate— time before any of them are able to partisipate in— time before any of them are able to participate in royal engagements as actively and this toes— engagements as actively and this toes it— engagements as actively and this toes it toes— engagements as actively and this does it does mean— engagements as actively and this does it does mean that firstly, the does it does mean that firstly, tne atess— does it does mean that firstly, the waless are— does it does mean that firstly, the waless are the future of the monarsnv. — the waless are the future of the monarchy. there's— the waless are the future of the monarchy. there's absolutely no tottt— monarchy. there's absolutely no tottt atott— monarchy. there's absolutely no doubt about it.— monarchy. there's absolutely no doubt about it. but secondly , doubt about it. but secondly, vno-s— doubt about it. but secondly, vno-s going— doubt about it. but secondly, vno-s going to— doubt about it. but secondly, who's going to take up all these ntntrets— who's going to take up all these ntntrets ot— who's going to take up all these hundreds of patronages at the moment— hundreds of patronages at the moment, which— hundreds of patronages at the moment, which are at the moment vasant— moment, which are at the moment vasant vnisn— moment, which are at the moment vacant, which used— moment, which are at the moment vacant, which used to have, say, the vacant, which used to have, say, tne ttte— vacant, which used to have, say, tne ttte ot— vacant, which used to have, say, the duke of edinburgh, the oteen— the duke of edinburgh, the oteen tne— the duke of edinburgh, the queen, the king charles, when trinse— queen, the king charles, when trinse ot— queen, the king charles, when prince of wales— queen, the king charles, when prince of wales or— queen, the king charles, when prince of wales or indeed entren— prince of wales or indeed antrev, im— prince of wales or indeed andrew, i'm interested in how vvittiam— andrew, i'm interested in how vvittiam ant— andrew, i'm interested in how william and catherine handle all the william and catherine handle all tne timetignt— william and catherine handle all the limelight on— william and catherine handle all the limelight on their three snittren— the limelight on their three children, because at the moment tnev-re— children, because at the moment tnev-re pisttret— children, because at the moment they're pictured on— children, because at the moment they're pictured on these . they're pictured on these. they've_ they're pictured on these. itev-ve teen— they're pictured on these. they've been at— they're pictured on these. they've been at these- they're pictured on these. they've been at these nice outdoor events, obviously at the coronation itself , outdoor events, obviously at the coronation itself, but then doing outdoor events , helping

doing outdoor events, helping out with things, you know , out with things, you know, smiling for the camera, getting on, tasting some s'mores. i think prince louis was doing, for example . so these are all for example. so these are all quite simple things. when they start to get into their adolescence, how how does the royal family handle that? oh, i think there's absolutely no question that you've not only got youth, but also adolescence, that they have a right to privacy. so that they have a right to privacy . so what you do, you privacy. so what you do, you tatanse — privacy. so what you do, you tatanse tne — privacy. so what you do, you balance the amount- reign so what you do, you balance the amount of exposure to i— balance the amount of exposure to i mean— balance the amount of exposure to i mean, catherine, for exampte— to i mean, catherine, for example, probably take a pnotograpn— example, probably take a photograph on birthdays. you'll see photograph on birthdays. you'll tnem— photograph on birthdays. you'll tnem on— photograph on birthdays. you'll see them on christmas cards and you— see them on christmas cards and vot vottt— see them on christmas cards and vot vottt see— see them on christmas cards and you would see them as you have trom— you would see them as you have trom time— you would see them as you have trom time to— you would see them as you have from time to time— you would see them as you have from time to time in recent full ssate— from time to time in recent full ssate rotat— from time to time in recent full scale royal events. _ from time to time in recent full scale royal events. but so far as me— scale royal events. but so far as the average— scale royal events. but so far as the average day to day astivities— as the average day to day activities are _ as the average day to day activities are concerned, i mean, there's— activities are concerned, i mean, there's the spotlight is terosiots— mean, there's the spotlight is terosiots .— mean, there's the spotlight is ferocious . we— mean, there's the spotlight is ferocious . we know that. and ferocious. we know that. and privasv— ferocious. we know that. and privasv somes— ferocious. we know that. and privacy comes first. and i think vvittiam — privacy comes first. and i think vvittiam ant— privacy comes first. and i think william and catherine have been atsotttetv— william and catherine have been absolutely exemplary in that. ttt— absolutely exemplary in that. ttt in— absolutely exemplary in that. but in adolescence, that isn't titetv— but in adolescence, that isn't titetv to— but in adolescence, that isn't likely to change— but in adolescence, that isn't likely to change that much . and

likely to change that much. and atso— likely to change that much. and also, remember— likely to change that much. and also, remember that going on to tniversitv— also, remember that going on to tniversitv ant— also, remember that going on to university and so— also, remember that going on to university and so forth as vvittiam— university and so forth as william and— university and so forth as william and catherine at saint antrevs— william and catherine at saint andrews were— william and catherine at saint andrews were ,_ william and catherine at saint andrews were , there were their andrews were, there were their privasv— andrews were, there were their privasv vas— andrews were, there were their privacy was was guarded. so you vitt— privacy was was guarded. so you vitt see— privacy was was guarded. so you vitt tne— privacy was was guarded. so you will see the same— privacy was was guarded. so you will see the same as you would nattrattv— will see the same as you would naturally expect— will see the same as you would naturally expect to _ will see the same as you would naturally expect to for any stttent. — naturally expect to for any stttent. tt— naturally expect to for any student. of course they're not anybodvr— student. of course they're not anybodyv ttt— student. of course they're not anybody, but it's— student. of course they're not anybody, but it's so important tnat— anybody, but it's so important tnat tnev— anybody, but it's so important that they have— anybody, but it's so important that they have as— anybody, but it's so important that they have as normal and adolescence— that they have as normal and adolescence and— that they have as normal and adolescence and childhood as possitte— adolescence and childhood as possitte. ves— adolescence and childhood as possible. yes it— adolescence and childhood as possible. yes it must be hard at the possible. yes it must be hard at tne age— possible. yes it must be hard at me age tnev-re— possible. yes it must be hard at the age they're at— possible. yes it must be hard at the age they're at at the moment to tnterstant— the age they're at at the moment to understand truly— the age they're at at the moment to understand truly their position— to understand truly their position in— to understand truly their position in society. “fit/11“ position in society. thank you verv— position in society. thank you very much indeed forjoining me, richard fitzwilliam , their royal richard fitzwilliam, their royal commentator. thank you very much indeed. this is gb news sunday with me, emily carver. still to come, labour could make working from home a basic right for british workers. but is this evidence of our lazy mental motty? and what would it mean for the economy? we've got more on that after the news with rory

.thank on that after the news with rory . thank you very much , emily. . thank you very much, emily. the latest from the newsroom trses— the latest from the newsroom nurses are calling for a double digit— nurses are calling for a double tigit pav— nurses are calling for a double tigit pav otter— nurses are calling for a double digit pay offer to— nurses are calling for a double digit pay offer to prevent ttrtner— digit pay offer to prevent further strike _ digit pay offer to prevent further strike action. the head of further strike action. the head ot tne— further strike action. the head ot tne tovat— further strike action. the head of the royal college of nursing, pat of the royal college of nursing, tat cttten— of the royal college of nursing, pat cullen, told— of the royal college of nursing, pat cullen, told the sunday times— pat cullen, told the sunday iimes tne— pat cullen, told the sunday times the government risks anotner— times the government risks anotner sit— times the government risks another six months of industrial astion— another six months of industrial astion it— another six months of industrial action if negotiations aren't reopenet— action if negotiations aren't reopenet .— action if negotiations aren't reopened . members rejected a 5% reopened. members rejected a 5% op..— reopened. members rejected a 5% ope. vnisn— reopened. members rejected a 5% offer, which was— reopened. members rejected a 5% offer, which was accepted by 14 otner— offer, which was accepted by 14 other unions.— offer, which was accepted by 14 other unions. well— offer, which was accepted by 14 other unions. well a new ballot for other unions. well a new ballot tor strites— other unions. well a new ballot for strikes will— other unions. well a new ballot for strikes will be— other unions. well a new ballot for strikes will be held later tnis— for strikes will be held later tnis montn— for strikes will be held later tnis montn .— for strikes will be held later this month . suggestions of this month. suggestions of tmest— this month. suggestions of unrest within— this month. suggestions of unrest within the conservative party— unrest within the conservative tartv — unrest within the conservative party teing— unrest within the conservative party are being downplayed after the party are being downplayed after tne trime— party are being downplayed after the prime minister— party are being downplayed after the prime minister was blamed for the prime minister was blamed tor tne— the prime minister was blamed for the recent— the prime minister was blamed for the recent local election resttts— for the recent local election resttts .— for the recent local election results . rishi_ for the recent local election results . rishi sunak for the recent local election results. rishi sunak is facing sritisism— results. rishi sunak is facing criticism after— results. rishi sunak is facing criticism after nearly 1000 councillors— criticism after nearly 1000 councillors were lost and the tesision— councillors were lost and the tesision to— councillors were lost and the decision to scale— councillors were lost and the decision to scale back post trexit— decision to scale back post tretit ptans— decision to scale back post brexit plans to _ decision to scale back post brexit plans to scrap eu laws . brexit plans to scrap eu laws. tormer— brexit plans to scrap eu laws. tormer tome— brexit plans to scrap eu laws. former home secretary priti tatet— former home secretary priti patel accused _ former home secretary priti patel accused the leader of taiting— patel accused the leader of taiting to— patel accused the leader of failing to listen— patel accused the leader of failing to listen to his own partyi— failing to listen to his own partvr atting— failing to listen to his own party, adding the tories hadn't soveret— party, adding the tories hadn't covered itself— party, adding the tories hadn't covered itself in— party, adding the tories hadn't covered itself in glory since torts— covered itself in glory since boris johnson's— covered itself in glory since boris johnson's leadership . the

boris johnson's leadership. the snatov— boris johnson's leadership. the shadow business— boris johnson's leadership. the shadow business secretary, ionatnan— shadow business secretary, jonathan reynolds, has defended ptans— jonathan reynolds, has defended ptans to— jonathan reynolds, has defended ptans to give— jonathan reynolds, has defended plans to give workers the right to svitsn— plans to give workers the right to switch off— plans to give workers the right to switch off outside of working notrs— to switch off outside of working notrs .— to switch off outside of working hours . labour— to switch off outside of working hours . labour wants to restrict hours. labour wants to restrict emptovers— hours. labour wants to restrict emptovers trom — hours. labour wants to restrict employers from contacting staff by employers from contacting staff tv pnone— employers from contacting staff tv pnone or— employers from contacting staff tv pnone or tv— employers from contacting staff by phone or by email, saying vorters— by phone or by email, saying workers should— by phone or by email, saying workers should be able to disconnect— workers should be able to disconnect from devices in their tovntime— disconnect from devices in their tovntime. tt— disconnect from devices in their downtime. a similar legislation is atreatv— downtime. a similar legislation is atreatv in— downtime. a similar legislation is already in place in france . is already in place in france. tiverpoot— is already in place in france. tiverpoot is— is already in place in france. liverpool is being seen as the big liverpool is being seen as the tig vmner— liverpool is being seen as the big winner after— liverpool is being seen as the big winner after hosting the ttrovision— big winner after hosting the eurovision song— big winner after hosting the eurovision song contest with the prime— eurovision song contest with the prime minister— eurovision song contest with the prime minister saying the city nas— prime minister saying the city nas tone— prime minister saying the city nas tone tne— prime minister saying the city has done the uk— prime minister saying the city has done the uk and ukraine prott— has done the uk and ukraine proud swedish— has done the uk and ukraine proud swedish pop star lorraine mate— proud swedish pop star lorraine mate historyr_ proud swedish pop star lorraine made history, becoming the only to— made history, becoming the only to vin— made history, becoming the only woman to win the— made history, becoming the only woman to win the event twice the its— woman to win the event twice the tt-s entrv— woman to win the event twice the tt-s entrv iiae— woman to win the event twice the uk's entry mae muller finished sesont— uk's entry mae muller finished sesont tast— uk's entry mae muller finished second last behind germany . she second last behind germany. she tv second last behind germany. she iv ontine— second last behind germany. she tv online dab+_ second last behind germany. she tv online dab+ radio and on itnein— tv online dab+ radio and on itnein. tnis— tv online dab+ radio and on tunein. this is— tv online dab+ radio and on tunein. this is gb news. don't go anvvnere— tunein. this is gb news. don't go anywhere because emily, ste-tt— go anywhere because emily, sne-tt te— go anywhere because emily, she'll be back— go anywhere because emily, she'll be back in a moment.

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order to hit the jackpot. well, i do think the numbers of dependents for students and workers out of workers is absolutely out of control, considering , you know, control, considering, you know, our nhs is on its knees , our our nhs is on its knees, our infrastructure is on its knees, we have enough homes. we don't have enough homes. where people even where are these people even living? let me know views. living? let me know your views. keep coming in and keep them coming in and subscribe to youtube subscribe to our youtube channel. us on twitter channel. follow us on twitter as well. news. well. we're at gb news. right? how this for an example of how is this for an example of the woke world? we live in these days? prison officers have been told stop calling criminals, told to stop calling criminals, convicts because it could be seen as offensive under new guidelines from civil servants. yes, this is from civil servants, prison staff have also been told to drop the term ex—con. they've been urged to use terms like, believe it or not, persons with lived experience or prison leavers instead. right right. well, joining me now is former convict . who better to talk to winston davies in the studio with me now. so winston, your reaction to this story ? i think it's to this story? i think it's mantess— to this story? i think it's madness. oh,- to this story? i think it's madness . oh, well,- to this story? i think it's madness . oh, well, there we go. madness. oh, well, there we go. that's that , then. no, no, it

that's that, then. no, no, it is. it is. because look, you know , we're now sort of in a know, we're now sort of in a place where we can't call people by what they are. we can't say this, by what they are. we can't say tnis sant— by what they are. we can't say tnis san-t sav— by what they are. we can't say this, can't say that. _ by what they are. we can't say this, can't say that. and- at: we can't say this, can't say that. and i went to a— this, can't say that. and i went to a tits— this, can't say that. and i went to a kids football— this, can't say that. and i went to a kids football tournament vestertav— to a kids football tournament vestertav ant— to a kids football tournament yesterday and two of my boys and met— yesterday and two of my boys and tnev von— yesterday and two of my boys and tnev . — yesterday and two of my boys and tnev . inev— yesterday and two of my boys and they won . they won _ yesterday and two of my boys and they won . “rip rir1ir1�* ”; yesterday and two of my boys and they won . “rig mr1::r1* ”g d they won. they won every game, but they weren't allowed to be called winners. no, no, no, no winners. just you participants. ant— winners. just you participants. ant tnis— winners. just you participants. ant ttis va— winners. just you participants. and this was run by the local football club, all that sort of stuff. yeah. and there's no winners, right? - yeah. and there's no winners, right? stuff. yeah. and there's no- winners, right? so everyone gets a medal. this is literally- winners, right? g : this is literally that, a medal. this is literally that, rignte— a medal. this is literally that, rignte so— a medal. this is literally that, rignte so tnev— a medal. this is literally that, right? so they-they- : this is literally that, right? so they they come off right? so they so they come off ant— right? so they so they come off ant-vas— right? so they so they come off ant-was tite— right? so they so they come off and-was like, oh,- right? so they so they come off and was like, oh, why and they was like, oh, why titn-t— and they was like, oh, why titn-t ve— and they was like, oh, why didn't we win? - and they was like, oh, why didn't we win? r: \rr1:r and they was like, oh, why didn't we win? r: \rir didn't we win? i said, no, you didn't we win? i said, no, you did win. i said, you done the right things. you made the right snoises— right things. you made the right snoises ant— right things. you made the right choices and you— right things. you made the right choices and you won. - right things. you made the right choices and you won. i- ” q 1q5 you made the right choices and you won. r: �*" choices and you won. i said, if you— choices and you won. i said, if you hadn't, you would lost. you hadn't, you would have lost. and like you know, in and i said, like you know, in life, make the wrong life, if you make the wrong choices, could lose your choices, you could lose your house, your business, your your, your wife, marriage. and i your wife, your marriage. and i said, that's a your wife, your marriage. and i said,-that's a reality- your wife, your marriage. and i said,-that's a reality of- said, like, that's a reality of tits. —vot- said, like, that's a reality of life.-you make. said, like, that's a reality of. life.-you make the life. you know, you make the wrong— life. you know, you make the wrong-ant- life. you know, you make the wrong _and then - life. you know, you make the wrong and then there's wrong choices. and then there's consequences-it.— wrong choices. and then there's consequences it. for me, consequences to it. for me, i mate— consequences to it. for me, i mate-wrong— consequences to it. for me, i made wrong choices. i got made the wrong choices. i got satgnt— made the wrong choices. i got satgnt vitt— made the wrong choices. i got caught with _full- made the wrong choices. i got caught with full of caught with a car full of sannatis— caught with a car full of cannabis and— caught with a car full of cannabis and i- caught with a car full of cannabis and i got sent to prison. — cannabis and i got sent to prison. rightly_ cannabis and i got sent to prison. rightly

cannabis and i got sent to- prison. rightly-i become prison. rightly i lost. i become acovit. tigit.— prison. rightly i lost. i become a covm. right. and— prison. rightly i lost. f (20 “j right. and when i prison. rightly i lost. f 01th “j right. and when i hear a covid. right. and when i hear the a covid. right. and when i hear tne-sonvist,— a covid. right. and when i hear the-convict, even- a covid. right. and when i hear the-convict, even now- 01th “j right. and when i hear the convict, even now or the word convict, even now or tnere-s— the word convict, even now or ex—con, there's a— the word convict, even now or ex—con, there's a tension in me. inere-s— ex—con, there's a tension in me. inere-sltnere-s— ex—con, there's a tension in me. there'slthere's a— ex—con, there's a tension in me. there's there's a feeling of there's a there's a feeling of tissomtort. — there's a there's a feeling of discomfort. _use- there's a there's a feeling of discomfort. use that when discomfort. but i use that when i discomfort. but i use that when inas— discomfort. but i use that when ivas tnere— discomfort. but i use that when i was there-said,- discomfort. but i use that when i was there said, you know i was there and said, you know vnat— i was there and said, you know vnatlton-t— i was there and said, you know what,idon't-feel- i was there and said, you know what, don't feel like what, i don't want to feel like tnis— what, i don't want to feel like tnislton-t— what, i don't want to feel like this.idon't want— what, i don't want to feel like this. idon't want to - what, i don't want to feel like this. don't want to be this. this. i don't want to be this. so this. i don't want to be this. so i— this. i don't want to be this. so i got— this. i don't want to be this. so i got trained— this. i don't want to be this. so i got trained in a trade. i come out, worked hard , come out, worked really hard, ttitt— come out, worked really hard, built several— come out, worked really hard, built several businesses since tten— built several businesses since tnen.|emptovet— built several businesses since then. employed hundreds of then. i employed hundreds of peopte.— then. i employed hundreds of people. contributed people. i've contributed mittions— people. i've contributed millions economy , people. i've contributed- millions-economy , and millions to the economy, and i-ve— millions to the economy, and i-ve ttrnet— millions to the economy, and i've turned it— millions to the economy, and i've turned it around . “r: g i've turned it around. and it's tits.— i've turned it around. and it's tits. to— i've turned it around. and it's tits. to vot— i've turned it around. and it's like, do you know what? because i was called a convict, because now an ex—convict, when i hear that, that just drives me on to want to do more. so you're the you're the model aren't you're the model story, aren't you? really ? this is what we you? really? this is what we want— you? really? this is what we want as— you? really? this is what we want as a— you? really? this is what we want as a society— you? really? this is what we want as a society .- 7 really? this is what we want as a society . we want want as a society. we want peopte— want as a society. we want peopte-are— want as a society. we want people are caught breaking people who are caught breaking the people who are caught breaking tne tav— people who are caught breaking tne tav-serve— people who are caught breaking the law serve their time and the law to serve their time and come out. reformed citizen and vort— come out. reformed citizen and vort on— come out. reformed citizen and vort on tneir— come out. reformed citizen and work on their life— come out. reformed citizen and work on their life .— come out. reformed citizen and work on their life . you've work on their life. you've startet— work on their life. you've startet a— work on their life. you've started a business. you're doing snaritv— started a business. you're doing snaritv vort. — started a business. you're doing charity work. of— started a business. you're doing charity work. of course. you're soming— charity work. of course. you're soming on— charity work. of course. you're soming on to— charity work. of course. you're coming on to the— charity work. of course. you're coming on to the tv now to share votr— coming on to the tv now to share on epeiee— coming on to the tv now to share your experience. do _ coming on to the tv now to share your experience. do you think if evervtning— your experience. do you think if evervtning nat— your experience. do you think if everything had been sugar coated for everything had been sugar coated tor vot— everything had been sugar coated tor vot vnen— everything had been sugar coated tor vot vnen in— everything had been sugar coated for you when in prison, do you

tnint— for you when in prison, do you tnint tnat— for you when in prison, do you think that perhaps you wouldn't nave— think that perhaps you wouldn't nave nat— think that perhaps you wouldn't have had this— think that perhaps you wouldn't have had this success? do you tnint— have had this success? do you tnint stgar— have had this success? do you think sugar coating with the terms— think sugar coating with the terms tite— think sugar coating with the terms like person with lived eperiene— terms like person with lived experience and _ terms like person with lived experience and removing that sort— experience and removing that sort ot— experience and removing that sort of because— experience and removing that sort of because presumably this is to— sort of because presumably this is to remove— sort of because presumably this is to remove the— sort of because presumably this is to remove the stigma , but is to remove the stigma, but snottt— is to remove the stigma, but snottt ve— is to remove the stigma, but should we be— is to remove the stigma, but should we be removing the stigma? — should we be removing the stigmae to.— should we be removing the stigma? no, i— should we be removing the stigma? \r1:r r:r1:r1g stigma? no, i don't think so. i think there should be a stigma to it. like i said, because it depends what you do with it. you know, do you use it to drive you— you know, do you use it to drive vot on— you know, do you use it to drive vot on or— you know, do you use it to drive vot on or to— you know, do you use it to drive vot on or to vot— you know, do you use it to drive you on or do you say, oh, well, tet-s— you on or do you say, oh, well, tet-s see— you on or do you say, oh, well, tet-s tm— you on or do you say, oh, well, let's see, i'm going— you on or do you say, oh, well, let's see, i'm going to give up ant— let's see, i'm going to give up ant tm— let's see, i'm going to give up ant i-m itst— let's see, i'm going to give up and i'm just going to, you know, sontinte— and i'm just going to, you know, continue taking— and i'm just going to, you know, continue taking drugs or vnatever— continue taking drugs or whatever-can- continue taking drugs or whatever can do the continue taking drugs or- whatever-can do the rest continue taking drugs or- wimyver-can do the rest continue taking drugs or wimy life. can do the rest continue taking drugs or wimy life. ' 1r: an do the rest continue taking drugs or wimy life. ' 1r: i01:o the rest continue taking drugs or wimy life. ' 1r: ”rial by. 'est continue taking drugs or- wimy life. and the reality is, of my life. and the reality is, for me, the experience that i've learnt over the last 15 this is 15, 20 years ago now, this experience learnt of experience i've learnt of turning over time is turning it around over time is actually people about actually people care more about my actions the man am my actions and the man i am today what did 15, 20 today than what i did 15, 20 years ago. people judge me on the my character the content of my character rather some label that rather than some label that someone wants to give me. so it's like, you know, the money, time effort that they're time and effort that they're spending trying to talk about time and effort that they're speris ng trying to talk about time and effort that they're speris madness. talk about time and effort that they're speris madness. talk about this is madness. talk about rehabilitation,— this is madness. talk about rehabilitation, talk- : talk about rehabilitation, talk about ettsation— education, talk about training, getting— getting people back into work.

inree— three quarters of people that teave— three quarters of people that teave prison— three quarters of people that leave prison now,— three quarters of people that leave prison now, don't leave prison now, they don't nave— leave prison now, they don't| nave—inev leave prison now, they don't- nave—inev ton-t have any employment. they don't nave— have any employment. they don't nave anv— have any employment. they don't nave anv itea— have any employment. they don't have any idea about— have any employment. they don't have any idea about what they're going—spent- going to do. they've spent ttree— going to do. they've spent tnree, tott— going to do. they've spent three, four, five— going to do. they've spent three, four, five years sitting in—toing- in their cell, not doing that mtsn— in their cell, not doing that mtsnlitst— in their cell, not doing that much just ticking much or just about ticking toes— much or just about ticking boxes-we're- much or just about ticking- boxes.-we're expecting boxes. and then we're expecting tnem — boxes. and then we're expecting tnem -ott— boxes. and then we're expecting tnem-ott ant- boxes. and then we're expecting them-out and get- boxes. and then we're expecting them out and get a job them to come out and get a job ant— them to come out and get a job ant ttrn— them to come out and get a job ant ttrn it— them to come out and get a job and turn it around. my and turn it around. why is re—offending rates so high? well, a that's a very well, that's a that's a very goot— well, that's a that's a very goot point. — well, that's a that's a very good point. you- well, that's a that's a very good point. you make a number of goot— good point. you make a number of goot points— good point. you make a number of good points there. _ good point. you make a number of good points there. civil servant good point. you make a number of grwork oints there. civil servant good point. you make a number of grwork oints the up civil servant good point. you make a number of grwork oints the up with servant good point. you make a number of grwork oints the up with policies s work to come up with policies to mate— s work to come up with policies to mate otr— s work to come up with policies to make our public— s work to come up with policies to make our public services tettet— to make our public services tettet-otr- to make our public services better, our country better, to make our country tetten— better, to make our country tetter-on— better, to make our country better.-on earth- better, to make our country better. on earth are they better. why on earth are they tostsset— better. why on earth are they focussed language when, focussed on language when, as vot— focussed on language when, as vot-tnere— focussed on language when, as vot-tnere are— focussed on language when, as vot-tnere so- focussed on language when, as you there are so many you say, there are so many in— you say, there are so many issues in our prison system tesse— issues in our prison system because they're— issues in our prison system because they're not persons with tivet— because they're not persons with lived experience? _ because they're not persons with lived experience? yttrill 71g lived experience? well, clearly not the people who were , you not the people who were, you know, like writing essays about how we need to treat prisoners more nicely and things and actually , emily, no one no one's actually, emily, no one no one's contacted me, emailed me, called me and said, me. what do you think you've gone through that system, you've turned it around. you've and you're you've made changes and you're doing contributing doing well. you're contributing back this society . what do back to this society. what do you think people aren't doing that they no one done that? no

one's done that. no. and i've been the thing is like, you know, even doing things like this, it's a bit of a risk. you know, i've got businesses. know, i've got my businesses. i've that don't i've got people that don't necessarily story, but necessarily know my story, but i'm it's worth that risk i'm like, it's worth that risk because of the importance of what to say. yeah. may what i've got to say. yeah. may i ask your view on because another story comes up is another story that comes up is about cons former prisoners , about x cons former prisoners, criminals, former criminals being given jobs. now, a lot of businesses are wary to hire people who've been in prison for time or what do you think of that? because i know there are businesses up and down the country that do this on purpose. they purposefully hire people with that background 100. look, i think it's a case by case tasis— i think it's a case by case tasis .— i think it's a case by case tasis . vot— i think it's a case by case basis . you know, if someone's basis. you know, if someone's for basis. you know, if someone's tor in— basis. you know, if someone's tor in senots— basis. you know, if someone's for in serious, serious viotsene— for in serious, serious violence, murder or serious setat— violence, murder or serious sexual offences— violence, murder or serious sexual offences ,- violence, murder or serious sexual offences , you know, sexual offences, you know, tnere-s— sexual offences, you know, tnere-s a— sexual offences, you know, there's a there's- sexual offences, you know, there's a there's a difference. ttt— there's a there's a difference. ttt asttattt— there's a there's a difference. but actually, the— there's a there's a difference. but actually, the majority of pisons— but actually, the majority of prisoners are _ but actually, the majority of prisoners are actually short term — prisoners are actually short term prisoners— prisoners are actually short term prisoners serving 18 months or tess. — term prisoners serving 18 months or tess. so— term prisoners serving 18 months or tess. so tor— term prisoners serving 18 months or less. so for those— term prisoners serving 18 months or less. so for those people, tnere-s— or less. so for those people, tnere-s got— or less. so for those people, there's got to— or less. so for those people, there's got to be— or less. so for those people, there's got to be an opportunity for there's got to be an opportunity tor tnem— there's got to be an opportunity tor ten to— there's got to be an opportunity for them to turn— there's got to be an opportunity for them to turn it— there's got to be an opportunity for them to turn it around. so

tast— for them to turn it around. so tast in— for them to turn it around. so back in probably— for them to turn it around. so back in probably 2014,- for them to turn it around. so back in probably 2014, i- for them to turn it around. so back in probably 2014, i was running a new build construction site and we were actually taking serving prisoners out of prisoners prison and giving them opportunities to come and work dunng opportunities to come and work during the day. i found that tnose— during the day. i found that tnose gtvs— during the day. i found that those guys, because- r: ” 1q rzritr i found that those guys, because they had so mtsn— those guys, because they had so mtsn to— those guys, because they had so mtsn to tose— those guys, because they had so much to lose, if— those guys, because they had so much to lose, if they didn't get it—going— much to lose, if they didn't get it—going tast- it right, they're going back into— it right, they're going back into-conditions.- it right, they're going back. into-conditionsithey into closed conditions. they vortet— into closed conditions. they worked-hard- into closed conditions. they worked hard and actually worked really hard and actually by an opportunity, by giving them an opportunity, obviously like, again, case obviously it's like, again, case by case, you've got to speak to these understand these people, understand where their heads are. giving their heads are. but by giving opportunity have opportunity, these guys have worked of about worked hard and out of about 4 0r worked hard and out of about 4 or 5 of them, none of them are re—offended since some of them have you know, do have gone to, on you know, do management something management jobs or something to lose. they've got they've got a state— lose. they've got they've got a state to — lose. they've got they've got a stake 100. yeah.— lose. they've got they've got a stake 100. yeah. if— they've got they've got a stake 100. / �*" qtir stake 100. yeah. if you've got if you haven't anything if you haven't got anything to lose as well lose 100, then you may as well continue with crime. giving people an opportunity- rtr1ir rt giving people an opportunity and a sansen— people an opportunity and a sansen to— people an opportunity and a chance to get— people an opportunity and a chance to get on— people an opportunity and a chance to get on and, you know, ttitt— chance to get on and, you know, mitt-tite— chance to get on and, you know, build-life. that's- chance to get on and, you know, build life. that's what we build a new life. that's what we vant— build a new life. that's what we want-ve— build a new life. that's what we want.-we-want- build a new life. that's what we want. .we -want to - build a new life. that's what we want. we want to go want. but we don't want to go too— want. but we don't want to go too -sotttv— want. but we don't want to go too - softly with - want. but we don't want to go too softly with the too softly, softly with the tangtage— too softly, softly with the tangtagelitst- too softly, softly with the language. just completely language. it's just completely pointtess— language. it's just completely pointtess-vot- language. it's just completely pointless. you very much pointless. thank you very much inteet. — pointless. thank you very much indeed. lovely.— pointless. thank you very much indeed. lovely. winston davies, tnant— thank you for joining me to talk atott— thank you for joining me to talk about—bizarre- about that rather bizarre story trom— about that rather bizarre story trom-sivit— about that rather bizarre story from .civil service - about that rather bizarre story from civil service calling from the civil service calling ex—cons,_livedl ex—cons, people with lived epeiene— ex—cons, people with lived experience offend them.

experience to not offend them. anywayv — experience to not offend them. tnvvav, moving— experience to not offend them. anyway, moving on. labour are ptanning— anyway, moving on. labour are ptanning to— anyway, moving on. labour are planning to make— anyway, moving on. labour are planning to make working from nome— planning to make working from nome a— planning to make working from nome a tegat— planning to make working from home a legal right. that's assorting— home a legal right. that's according to— home a legal right. that's according to a— home a legal right. that's according to a leaked 86 page potisv— according to a leaked 86 page policy handbook— according to a leaked 86 page policy handbook which has been sirsttatet— policy handbook which has been circulated ahead— policy handbook which has been circulated ahead of labour's tationat— circulated ahead of labour's national policy— circulated ahead of labour's national policy forum . labour's national policy forum. labour's potisv— national policy forum. labour's potisv ptans— national policy forum. labour's policy plans have— national policy forum. labour's policy plans have been making tnis— policy plans have been making waves this weekend after keir starmer— waves this weekend after keir starmer claimed— waves this weekend after keir starmer claimed his government vottt— starmer claimed his government vottt te— starmer claimed his government vottt te ten— starmer claimed his government would be new labour on steroids. steroits— would be new labour on steroids. steroids here's— would be new labour on steroids. steroids here's what shadow ttsiness— steroids here's what shadow business secretary jonathan tevnotts— business secretary jonathan reynolds said— business secretary jonathan reynolds said when he was asked atott— reynolds said when he was asked atott tne— reynolds said when he was asked about the working— reynolds said when he was asked about the working from home ptans— about the working from home ptans . — about the working from home ptans . tnis— about the working from home plans . this is— about the working from home plans. this is a— about the working from home plans . 1“ plans. this is a response we've seen in lots of countries to how technology has changed the way we work. i mean france, italy, belgium , spain have laws that belgium, spain have laws that are all in this area. as i say, this is not a definitive statement of party policy. but again, things that we are again, it's things that we are looking that consider looking at that we will consider to make sure the balance is right. i everybody right. and i think everybody recognises there to be recognises that there has to be a between working life, a balance between working life, family other things family life, the other things that the best that are important, the best employers already recognise that and look at the best and we'll look at the best approach make sure is approach to make sure that is the case. so it's an important area to consider, but this is not statement of manifesto. not a statement of manifesto. this leak the

this is a leak from the deliberations will have deliberations that we will have that ultimately get to that that will ultimately get to that manifesto, we will decide manifesto, where we will decide the way forward . so manifesto, where we will decide the way forward. so want the right way forward. so i want to know what you _ the right way forward. so i want to know what you think- the right way forward. so i want to know what you think is- 1 q : so i want to know what you think is a push to know what you think is a push to mate— to know what you think is a push to make flexible— to know what you think is a push to make flexible working illegal . a to make flexible working illegal .—a tig— to make flexible working illegal .—a tig, tott- . right. really a big, bold ttair— . right. really a big, bold blair blairite_ . right. really a big, bold blair blairite policy , or is it blair blairite policy, or is it to appeat— blair blairite policy, or is it to appeat to— blair blairite policy, or is it to appeal to the- blair blairite policy, or is it to appeal to the to the lazy among— to appeal to the to the lazy among tst— to appeal to the to the lazy among us? let's— to appeal to the to the lazy among us? let's see what peter ttvarts— among us? let's see what peter edwards thinks— among us? let's see what peter edwards thinks he's the former editor— edwards thinks he's the former etitor ot— edwards thinks he's the former editor of the— edwards thinks he's the former editor of the labour list . editor of the labour list. peter,— editor of the labour list. peter, thank— editor of the labour list. peter, thank you very much intest— peter, thank you very much inteet tor— peter, thank you very much indeed for joining peter, thank you very much indeed forjoining me. do you indeed for joining me. do you tnint— indeed for joining me. do you tnint tne— indeed for joining me. do you think the government well , a think the government well, a government— think the government well, a government in— think the government well, a government in waiting should eat— government in waiting should reattv te— government in waiting should really be announcing such a potisv— really be announcing such a potisv 7— really be announcing such a potisv e is— really be announcing such a potisv e is it— really be announcing such a policy ? is it for— really be announcing such a policy ? is it for the government policy? is it for the government to tesite— policy? is it for the government to decide how— policy? is it for the government to decide how employers choose to decide how employers choose to ttitt— to decide how employers choose to build their— to decide how employers choose to build their contracts with tneir— to build their contracts with their employees ? well, the run their employees? well, the run up their employees? well, the run tp to— their employees? well, the run tp to a— their employees? well, the run tp to a generat— their employees? well, the run up to a general election, any goot— up to a general election, any good opposition— up to a general election, any good opposition will set out vnat— good opposition will set out vnat its— good opposition will set out what its policies are going to te. — what its policies are going to te. tnt— what its policies are going to te. ant as— what its policies are going to be. and as johnny- what its policies are going to be. what its policies are going to- be. and as johnny reynolds said, the shadow cabinet minister, this under deliberation. the shadow cabinet minister, this wellder deliberation. the shadow cabinet minister, this well endieliberation. the shadow cabinet minister, this well end upberation. the shadow cabinet minister, this well end up in'ation. the shadow cabinet minister, this well end up in the n. may well end up in the manifesto. are labour doing manifesto. why are labour doing it? think it's really an it? i think it's really an attempt— it? i think it's really an attempt-get- c71 i think it's really an attempt get top of it? i think it's really an- attempt.get.top of the attempt to get on top of the massive changing trends in the tatotr— massive changing trends in the labour market. _ massive changing trends in the labour market. so— massive changing trends in the labour market. so that's i tnat-s— labour market. so that's i tnat-s gig— labour market. so that's i that's gig economy and of course

ttetitititv— that's gig economy and of course ttetitititv as— that's gig economy and of course flexibility as we've— that's gig economy and of course flexibility as we've just been taiting— flexibility as we've just been taiting-tnt- flexibility as we've just been talking _and you - flexibility as we've just been talking and you know, talking about. and you know, vnen— talking about. and you know, vnen a— talking about. and you know, when a labour— talking about. and you know, when a labour government works vett— when a labour government works vett its— when a labour government works vett its a— when a labour government works well, it's a partnership between ttsiness— well, it's a partnership between ttsiness ant— well, it's a partnership between business and unions and goverrnent — business and unions and government. i- business and unions and government. i think that's what tnev-re— government. i think that's what tnev-re trying— government. i think that's what tnev-re trying to — government. i think that's what they're trying to do again and move on from _ they're trying to do again and move on from this era under itisni— move on from this era under itisni stnat— move on from this era under rishi sunak where you have a few giveavavs— rishi sunak where you have a few giveavavs ot— rishi sunak where you have a few giveaways of business and a few tattings— giveaways of business and a few fallings-business- giveaways of business and a few fallings business and fallings out with business and it's fallings out with business and it-s-stostet— fallings out with business and it's-stocked up.- fallings out with business and it's stocked up. they it's really stocked up. they vant— it's really stocked up. they want-it— it's really stocked up. they vant-it a- it's really stocked up. they. want-it a partnership. want to make it a partnership. yeah,— want to make it a partnership. yeah, i— want to make it a partnership. yeah, i get— want to make it a partnership. yeah, i get that,— want to make it a partnership. yeah, i get that, peter. but you know.— yeah, i get that, peter. but you know, we've seen the idea that bosses shouldn't be allowed legally to contact their employees on whatsapp email and phone at the weekends or out of working hours. i mean , what working hours. i mean, what planet are they living on.7 anyone who wants to get ahead or has a good relationship with their boss is going to happily accept phone calls, emails out of hours. not everyone is clock in, clock out. that's me gone. it's just unrealistic. we live in a very flexible world and well , i think in a very flexible world and well, i think it's down to bosses to show common sense.

but it's right like in a lot of areas, to have— but it's right like in a lot of areas, to have protections as wen,— areas, to have protections as wen, you— areas, to have protections as wen, you know,— areas, to have protections as well, you know, because 30 or 40 years— well, you know, because 30 or 40 years ago,— well, you know, because 30 or 40 years ago, one— well, you know, because 30 or 40 years ago, one might have said, wen,— years ago, one might have said, wen, of— years ago, one might have said, well, of course— years ago, one might have said, well, of course women should be paid— well, of course women should be pad the— well, of course women should be paid aha ame— well, of course women should be paid the same as— well, of course women should be paid the same as men and we don-a— paid the same as men and we aaa-a need— paid the same as men and we den-e need to— paid the same as men and we don't need to legislate that. eat— don't need to legislate that. eat an— don't need to legislate that. eat in face.— don't need to legislate that. but in fact, there's- don't need to legislate that. but in fact, there's a- don't need to legislate that. but in fact, there's a huge amount of inequality across the workforce. i believe lots of workforce. so i believe lots of these things should come down to common decency. common sense and decency. but clearly foundation clearly you need a foundation underpinning that. but when there few bosses, there are a few bad bosses, people in the labour market are protected. and i think the idea that you can be contacted seven days week by your employer for days a week by your employer for is not really fair. days a week by your employer for is not really fair . think about is not really fair. think about people with caring responsibilities at either end of the age spectrum. it's right to in the odd safeguards to build in the odd safeguards just the just about managing the relationship with your employer. i'm sure , peter. i'm not i'm not sure, peter. i'm not sure we need the- i'm not sure, peter. i'm not sure we need the law- i'm not sure we need the law involved in eme— sure we need the law involved in ems-iaeaeaey— sure we need the law involved in this intricacy myself. it this much intricacy myself. it just— this much intricacy myself. it just seeme— this much intricacy myself. it just ea— this much intricacy myself. it just seems to be— this much intricacy myself. it just seems to be a job creation hee— just seems to be a job creation he hea— just seems to be a job creation scheme for lawyers. in my view. that-e— scheme for lawyers. in my view. hhah-e what— scheme for lawyers. in my view. hhah-e what .— scheme for lawyers. in my view. that's what i can— scheme for lawyers. in my view. that's what i can see down the read.— that's what i can see down the read. huh— that's what i can see down the road. but thank— that's what i can see down the road. but thank you very much haeea. — road. but thank you very much indeed. peter— road. but thank you very much indeed. peter edwards, former editor— indeed. peter edwards, former editor of— indeed. peter edwards, former editor of the— indeed. peter edwards, former editor of the labour list, giving— editor of the labour list, giving hie— editor of the labour list, giving his thoughts on labour's hewae—n giving his thoughts on labour's hewae— al

giving his thoughts on labour's. hewae— a hegah new working from home as a legal right.— new working from home as a legal hahhlyaa— new working from home as a legal hehhlyaa agree— new working from home as a legal right. you agree with right. do you agree with that? vaa-ve— right. do you agree with that? vaa-ve-aehha- right. do you agree with that? you've getting touch on you've been getting in touch on our you've been getting in touch on big— you've been getting in touch on hhg haph— you've been getting in touch on hhg hephe ah— you've been getting in touch on our big topic of the day, labour-e— our big topic of the day, labour's plans to make oh, on the— labour's plans to make oh, on hhhe-hhha— labour's plans to make oh, on hhhe-hhha .— labour's plans to make oh, on this-thing . sandra- labour's plans to make oh, on this thing . sandra says if this very thing. sandra says if the—whe- this very thing. sandra says if the—whee a- this very thing. sandra says if. the—wins a general the labour party wins a general eheehah— the labour party wins a general eheehah-h— the labour party wins a general election it becomes law that election and it becomes law that warerhs— election and it becomes law that warhers—aa- election and it becomes law that workers—to work. workers have the right to work hrarh — workers have the right to work hrarh _there - workers have the right to work from _there soon i from home, will there soon be a awa— from home, will there soon be a awa her— from home, will there soon be a two tier employment system with eharayers— two tier employment system with employers—wagei employers offering a better wage to employers offering a better wage a ahase— employers offering a better wage a ahase wha— employers offering a better wage to those who will— employers offering a better wage to those who will come into warhe— to those who will come into work? presumably then the work? well, presumably then the eahawr— work? well, presumably then the eahawr harry— work? well, presumably then the labour party would make that hheaah— labour party would make that hheaah ar— labour party would make that illegal or some— labour party would make that illegal or some such thing. but yes,— illegal or some such thing. but yeslaaeshh— illegal or some such thing. but yes, doesn't exactly appeal illegal or some such thing. but ye the doesn't exactly appeal illegal or some such thing. but ye the veryrn't exactly appeal illegal or some such thing. but ye the very manyactly appeal illegal or some such thing. but ye the very many people peal illegal or some such thing. but ye the very many people who to the very many people who aah-a— to the very many people who aah-a warh— to the very many people who can't work from _ to the very many people who can't work from home by virtue of can't work from home by virtue ah sherr— can't work from home by virtue ah ahehr warh— can't work from home by virtue of their work being out and ahawa— of their work being out and ahawr ahyway— of their work being out and ahawr ahyway .— of their work being out and about anyway , eileen says. about anyway, eileen says. ohwawshy— about anyway, eileen says. obviously you _ about anyway, eileen says. obviously you don't get 100% arrear— obviously you don't get 100% awrpwa hrarh — obviously you don't get 100% output from people working from harne— output from people working from harhe as— output from people working from harhe as yaw— output from people working from home as you would be in the ahhae— home as you would be in the ahhae .— home as you would be in the ahhae . h— home as you would be in the ahhae . h rs— home as you would be in the office . it is also— home as you would be in the office . it is also very office. it is also very hsahaaha— office. it is also very isolating and destruct of for araawerwhy. — isolating and destruct of for productivity. yes, we talk about hahehhess— productivity. yes, we talk about loneliness all— productivity. yes, we talk about loneliness all the— productivity. yes, we talk about loneliness all the time . and one loneliness all the time. and one three— loneliness all the time. and one three that— loneliness all the time. and one thing that really— loneliness all the time. and one thing that really can raise the spirits— thing that really can raise the spirits har— thing that really can raise the spirits not for— thing that really can raise the spirits not for everyone, of is aa— spirits not for everyone, of course, is to go- spirits not for everyone, of course, is to go into the office aha— course, is to go into the office and have— course, is to go into the office and have a— course, is to go into the office and have a few— course, is to go into the office and have a few conversations with— and have a few conversations whh rear— and have a few conversations whh rear hwe— and have a few conversations with real live people rather shah— with real live people rather than er— with real live people rather than over zoom _ with real live people rather than over zoom microsoft than over zoom or microsoft hearhs — than over zoom or microsoft hearhs h— than over zoom or microsoft teams. it really— than over zoom or microsoft teams. it really is quite miserable. _ teams. it really is quite miserable. i— teams. it really is quite miserable. i was sick of it. by ahe— miserable. i was sick of it. by the ena— miserable. i was sick of it. by the end ah— miserable. i was sick of it. by the end of lockdown, michael says.— the end of lockdown, michael says-r— the end of lockdown, michael says-r was- the end of lockdown, michael says.-i was more.

says. actually, i was more araawaawe— says. actually, i was more productive working from home shah— productive working from home shah-ahhe. — productive working from home than-office. no- than in the office. no interruptions, fewer stupid rheeahas— interruptions, fewer stupid meetings office politics. meetings and no office politics. ohhy— meetings and no office politics. ohhy ahe— meetings and no office politics. ohry rea— meetings and no office politics. only one tea break in the rharhha— only one tea break in the morning as— only one tea break in the morning as opposed to three in the ahhee— morning as opposed to three in the ahhae .— morning as opposed to three in the office . well,— morning as opposed to three in the office . well, there you go. the office. well, there you go. whahaer— the office. well, there you go. michael loves— the office. well, there you go. michael loves working from home. i michael loves working from home. r—h-s— michael loves working from home. r—h-slhhhe- i personally think it's a little bit miserable— i personally think it's a little bit miserable not ever want bit miserable not to ever want to bit miserable not to ever want aa-yawr— bit miserable not to ever want to your colleagues in real to see your colleagues in real life— to see your colleagues in real hrs-hearte- to see your colleagues in real life,-people have- life, but hey people have whereas— life, but hey people have different lives.- life, but hey people have different lives. keep your views earhha— different lives. keep your views earhhalaha— different lives. keep your views coming and you're at coming in and while you're at it, coming in and while you're at h—awr- coming in and while you're at it,_our youtube. it, subscribe to our youtube ahahheh— it, subscribe to our youtube channel. follow— it, subscribe to our youtube channel. follow us on twitter. were— channel. follow us on twitter. were-ah— channel. follow us on twitter. we're-gb news.— channel. follow us on twitter. we're gb news. moving on we're at gb news. so moving on to we're at gb news. so moving on aa-hha— we're at gb news. so moving on aa-hha shary— we're at gb news. so moving on to-big story that's- to another big story that's aheaaha— to another big story that's affecting l lot. - to another big story that's affecting lot. lot of young affecting a lot. a lot of young hearse— affecting a lot. a lot of young people .— affecting a lot. a lot of young people , rhahy— affecting a lot. a lot of young people , many universities across people, many universities across the away— people, many universities across the sawhary are— people, many universities across the country are drawing up plans to the country are drawing up plans aa-whh— the country are drawing up plans to-with striking— the country are drawing up plans to with striking who to cope with striking staff who are to cope with striking staff who rehasha— to cope with striking staff who are refusing to— to cope with striking staff who are refusing to grade and mark times.— are refusing to grade and mark exam times. some students could be exam times. some students could he arsed— exam times. some students could he faced a— exam times. some students could be forced to postpone their araawahahs— be forced to postpone their graduations as— be forced to postpone their graduations as the industrial ahshwae— graduations as the industrial ahsawre er— graduations as the industrial dispute over pay and working aahahhahs— dispute over pay and working conditions continues. so joining me ha— conditions continues. so joining me ha assass— conditions continues. so joining me to discuss this— conditions continues. so joining me to discuss this is political aha— me to discuss this is political and saehah— me to discuss this is political and social commentator outer lin her.— and social commentator outer lin her. hyhh— and social commentator outer lin her. ryhh ya-re— and social commentator outer lin mei. lynn you're not— and social commentator outer lin mei. lynn you're not too long awa— mei. lynn you're not too long at ah— mei. lynn you're not too long out of university— mei. lynn you're not too long out of university ,_ mei. lynn you're not too long out of university , are you? no, out of university, are you? no, i out of university, are you? no, r aawahy— out of university, are you? no, i actually graduated from my seaha— i actually graduated from my second degree— i actually graduated from my second degree during lockdown . second degree during lockdown. rhaa-s— second degree during lockdown. rhaa-s right.— second degree during lockdown. rhaa-s rhahh r— second degree during lockdown. that's right. i had— second degree during lockdown. that's right. i had to have my araawaahah— that's right. i had to have my graduation postponed . so for graduation postponed. so for many— graduation postponed. so for

many ah— graduation postponed. so for many ah as— graduation postponed. so for many of us, we've already had a kicking— many of us, we've already had a hehha h— many of us, we've already had a hehha he he— many of us, we've already had a kicking in the teeth— many of us, we've already had a kicking in the teeth with covid. i kicking in the teeth with covid. a had— kicking in the teeth with covid. a had a— kicking in the teeth with covid. a had a aa— kicking in the teeth with covid. a had ha as my— kicking in the teeth with covid. i had to do my exams.- kicking in the teeth with covid. “eh: r:r:::r actually i had to do my exams. actually at home. i had to do my exams. actually a harhe. aha— i had to do my exams. actually at home. and the— “eh: r:r:::r actually at home. and the pressure of that— at home. and the pressure of that was— at home. and the pressure of that was phenomenal. so instead of, that was phenomenal. so instead ah yaa— that was phenomenal. so instead ah yaa hhaw— that was phenomenal. so instead of, you know, massively arhhahsha— of, you know, massively criticising lecturers, i'm reahy— criticising lecturers, i'm really disappointed in them heaase— really disappointed in them because lecturers are well paid. when— because lecturers are well paid. when yaa— because lecturers are well paid. when yaa aaah— because lecturers are well paid. when you look at— because lecturers are well paid. when you look at the— because lecturers are well paid. when you look at the average of payment in terms of in the uk , a payment in terms of in the uk, a starting lecturer starts often at 40,000 and can go all the way up to phd, £90,000. and if you look at up to phd, £90,000. and if you aaah ah haw— up to phd, £90,000. and if you look at how much— c. "j i0 000 and if you look at how much students and you— look at how much students and yaa ah— look at how much students and yaa wrhe— look at how much students and you can write books and do all saws— you can write books and do all sahs as— you can write books and do all sahs as war,— you can write books and do all sorts as well, there's so many. rhere-s— sorts as well, there's so many. rhere-s sa— sorts as well, there's so many. there's so many— sorts as well, there's so many. there's so many lecturers. when i there's so many lecturers. when a was— there's so many lecturers. when a aa— there's so many lecturers. when i was at university— there's so many lecturers. when i was at university that wasn't ahea— i was at university that wasn't rhea-aah. — i was at university that wasn't rhea-aah. rhey- i was at university that wasn't their job. they would give their sole job. they would give harks— their sole job. they would give aaahs aha— their sole job. they would give talks and speeches at various ather— talks and speeches at various aaher-aha— talks and speeches at various aaher-aha .- talks and speeches at various other-and i just- talks and speeches at various other and i just think other events. and i just think we warr— other events. and i just think we want a— other events. and i just think we want to encourage students to try aha— we want to encourage students to hay and warh— we want to encourage students to hay and warh as— we want to encourage students to try and work as hard as possible ahraaah— try and work as hard as possible ahraaah ahe— try and work as hard as possible through the hard— try and work as hard as possible through the hard times. you have rearwa— through the hard times. you have aeaaaelhhaw— through the hard times. you have people, know, when you're people, you know, when you're a saaaehw — people, you know, when you're a saaaehw—ah- people, you know, when you're a student,_on beans,| people, you know, when you're a stutoast._on beans,| people, you know, when you're a stutoast. often on beans, people, you know, when you're a stutoast. often times on beans, people, you know, when you're a stutoast. often times . n beans, people, you know, when you're a stutoast. often times . soeans, people, you know, when you're a stutoast. often times . so what a on toast. often times. so what a harrhhhe— on toast. often times. so what a horrible message— on toast. often times. so what a horrible message this is eahweyha— horrible message this is eahweyha ra — horrible message this is conveying to young people to say,— conveying to young people to say, yaa— conveying to young people to say, yaa hhaw— conveying to young people to say, you know, going say, you know, we're going to saw— say, you know, we're going to start complaining, say, you know, we're going to start complaining , especially start complaining, especially when— start complaining, especially when-aah— start complaining, especially when-can see— start complaining, especially when can see inflation is due when we can see inflation is due to when we can see inflation is due a ahe— when we can see inflation is due a aawh. — when we can see inflation is due a aawh. sa— when we can see inflation is due to come down. so i— when we can see inflation is due to come down. so i don't understand— to come down. so i don't understand what it is they aaaaahy—

understand what it is they actually want.— understand what it is they actually want. well, having hsaehea— actually want. well, having listened to _ actually want. well, having listened to a— actually want. well, having listened to a couple of professors— listened to a couple of professors talking about this aha— professors talking about this and ahase— professors talking about this and those who— professors talking about this and those who support the strike ashah— and those who support the strike ashah they— and those who support the strike aehah, rhey say— and those who support the strike action, they say it's— and those who support the strike action, they say it's all about he— action, they say it's all about the shah— action, they say it's all about the staff who _ action, they say it's all about the staff who aren't on proper aaharaeas. — the staff who aren't on proper contracts. so _ the staff who aren't on proper contracts. so there are some shah— contracts. so there are some shah that— contracts. so there are some staff that come— contracts. so there are some staff that come in and they're hara— staff that come in and they're para so,— staff that come in and they're para so, eso— staff that come in and they're paid 30, £50 an— staff that come in and they're paid 30, £50 an hour to deliver a hectare— paid 30, £50 an hour to deliver a heaaare ar— paid 30, £50 an hour to deliver a lecture or something like that . aha— a lecture or something like that . and they— a lecture or something like that . and hey say— a lecture or something like that . and they say it's— a lecture or something like that . and they say it's not enough to . and they say it's not enough a saver— . and they say it's not enough a ahe— . and they say it's not enough to cover the costs— . and they say it's not enough to cover the costs of getting there,— to cover the costs of getting there, etcetera,_ to cover the costs of getting there, etcetera, etcetera. but i waaaa— there, etcetera, etcetera. but i waaaa araae— there, etcetera, etcetera. but i would argue no— there, etcetera, etcetera. but i would argue no one's forcing you to would argue no one's forcing you a rake— would argue no one's forcing you a rake ah— would argue no one's forcing you to take on that— would argue no one's forcing you to take on that kind of a eaharaah— to take on that kind of a contract, right? you could look for contract, right? you could look far a— contract, right? you could look far a raw— contract, right? you could look for a full time— contract, right? you could look for a full time position if that-s— for a full time position if ahaa-s-yaa- for a full time position if that's you preferred, and that's what you preferred, and holding— that's what you preferred, and holding students— that's what you preferred, and holding students to ransom , not holding students to ransom, not rharhha— holding students to ransom, not marking-essays.- holding students to ransom, not marking essays. there marking their essays. there are there— marking their essays. there are there are— marking their essays. there are there are students— marking their essays. there are there are students who apparehhy— there are students who apparently have written their dissertations— apparently have written their dissertations 15— apparently have written their dissertations 15 000 words, even , and they— dissertations 15 000 words, even more , and they might not even more, and they might not even get them— more, and they might not even get them marked _ more, and they might not even get them marked and they may not even contribute _ get them marked and they may not even contribute to— get them marked and they may not even contribute to their final grade.— even contribute to their final grade-injustice- even contribute to their final grade. injustice of that grade. the injustice of that when— grade. the injustice of that when yre— grade. the injustice of that when you're paying, what, 12 graha— when you're paying, what, 12 grand a— when you're paying, what, 12 grand a rare— when you're paying, what, 12 grand a nine grand a year grand a y...— grand a nine grand a year grand a y... aha— grand a nine grand a year grand ayear, and were— grand a nine grand a year grand a year, and we're talking about hearse— a year, and we're talking about hearse-ahe— a year, and we're talking about people-the most- people that are the most eaaaaaea— people that are the most educated, the _ people that are the most educated, the most educated cowh— educated, the most educated covrh h— educated, the most educated covid in society— educated, the most educated covid in society who have loads of covid in society who have loads ah swas— covid in society who have loads ah shhs h— covid in society who have loads of skills in terms— covid in society who have loads of skills in terms of public

saeahha. — of skills in terms of public saeahha. rhey— of skills in terms of public speaking. they can do a myriad of speaking. they can do a myriad ah threes.— speaking. they can do a myriad ah rhhas. ahe— speaking. they can do a myriad of things. like you— speaking. they can do a myriad of things. like you said, write haahs — of things. like you said, write haahs wrhe— of things. like you said, write books, write articles, and for them — books, write articles, and for them a— books, write articles, and for them to have— books, write articles, and for them to have to— books, write articles, and for them to have to put students in this— them to have to put students in this predicament— them to have to put students in this predicament think is this predicament i think is easy— this predicament i think is reahy, reahy— this predicament i think is really, really upsetting. do you thank— really, really upsetting. do you ahhh-a— really, really upsetting. do you ahhh-a aar- really, really upsetting. do you think-a lot of- think there are a lot of araressars— think there are a lot of professors who are actually well , they— professors who are actually well , rhey prefer— professors who are actually well , they prefer their— professors who are actually well , they prefer their political activists — , they prefer their political activists. yes,— , they prefer their political activists. yes, because if saahaa— activists. yes, because if social media _ activists. yes, because if social media is something to go by, social media is something to go by same— social media is something to go by ah— social media is something to go by ah ahe— social media is something to go by, some of the most prolific tweeters— by, some of the most prolific tweeters out— by, some of the most prolific tweeters out there and rally araahhser— tweeters out there and rally organiser users— tweeters out there and rally organiser users and people on the media— organiser users and people on the media are— organiser users and people on the media are all— organiser users and people on the media are all professors at m— the media are all professors at xyz university.— the media are all professors at xyz university. motty well, we hhaw— xyz university. motty well, we hhaw ahaa— xyz university. motty well, we know that they're _ xyz university. motty well, we know that they're very political hmhahaaaeh— know that they're very political imbalanced. i— know that they're very political imbalanced. i remember when we hawha— imbalanced. i remember when we hawha ah— imbalanced. i remember when we were having an open discussion in were having an open discussion h rhy— were having an open discussion h rhy pahha— were having an open discussion in my public law— were having an open discussion in my public law lecture and i saw,— in my public law lecture and i saw war,— in my public law lecture and i saw weh, yaa— in my public law lecture and i said, well, you know, i'm considering— considering voting for brexit aha— considering voting for brexit aha .— considering voting for brexit and r was— considering voting for brexit and i was told— considering voting for brexit and i was told that my views were disgusting.— and i was told that my views were disgusting. so there was no haaahaee— were disgusting. so there was no balance? .there_ were disgusting. so there was no balance? .there was- were disgusting. so there was no balance? there was no balance? no, there was no haaahae— balance? no, there was no balance-but- balance? no, there was no balance _but i'm - balance? no, there was no balance but i'm not balance there. but i'm not sararhsea— balance there. but i'm not sarahsea aa— balance there. but i'm not surprised at think now surprised at this. i think now seeha— surprised at this. i think now we're seeing everyone jump on the hahawaaah— we're seeing everyone jump on the bandwagon of— we're seeing everyone jump on the bandwagon of striking. and i warh— the bandwagon of striking. and i warh h— the bandwagon of striking. and i work in housing.— the bandwagon of striking. and i work in housing. i— the bandwagon of striking. and i work in housing. i could easily share,— work in housing. i could easily shake-whaw— work in housing. i could easily strike,-know what- work in housing. i could easily strike, know what that strike, but i know what that war— strike, but i know what that whh aa— strike, but i know what that whh ha ha— strike, but i know what that whh ha a hy— strike, but i know what that will do to my social tenants if i will do to my social tenants if a saw— will do to my social tenants if i start striking— will do to my social tenants if i start striking and all of us as aeaaae— i start striking and all of us as people housing. but what as people in housing. but what you— as people in housing. but what you-vou— as people in housing. but what you-you-creative.- as people in housing. but what you you creative. you you do is you get creative. you aaah— you do is you get creative. you aaahlaaher— you do is you get creative. you look-other bits— you do is you get creative. you look-other bits of- you do is you get creative. you look other bits of work to look for other bits of work to do,— look for other bits of work to aa, ar—

look for other bits of work to aa, ar yaa— look for other bits of work to aa, ar yaa rash— look for other bits of work to do, or you just hold tight. us as a aaahary— do, or you just hold tight. us as a country need— do, or you just hold tight. us as a country need to really hold do, or you just hold tight. us as a through�*need to really hold do, or you just hold tight. us as a through this to really hold do, or you just hold tight. us as a through this costzally hold do, or you just hold tight. us as a through this cost ofly hold tight through this cost of hwha— tight through this cost of living crisis. _ tight through this cost of living crisis. inflate ocean is aae— living crisis. inflate ocean is aae-aawh. - living crisis. inflate ocean is due-down. and- living crisis. inflate ocean is due down. and my due to come down. and my aaeshah— due to come down. and my aaeshah aa— due to come down. and my question to lecturers would be when—dawn,- question to lecturers would be when _ down, are i question to lecturers would be. when _ down, are you when it does come down, are you willing— when it does come down, are you whhha aa— when it does come down, are you willing ha ahea— when it does come down, are you willing to then take— when it does come down, are you willing to then take a pay cut? weh, — willing to then take a pay cut? weh, .— willing to then take a pay cut? wear, a aah-a— willing to then take a pay cut? well, i don't think they are going— well, i don't think they are eaae-har— well, i don't think they are going-but just- well, i don't think they are going but just a broader going to be, but just a broader aaeshah— going to be, but just a broader aaeshah-ahe— going to be, but just a broader question the state our question about the state of our ahwershy— question about the state of our ahwershy-arh- question about the state of our university am always university system, i am always aaea— university system, i am always amazed-that- university system, i am always amazed-that we- university system, i am always amazed that we still amazed that not that we still aahhhae— amazed that not that we still continue-have— amazed that not that we still continue have many people continue to have as many people as-aaha— continue to have as many people as-aaha aa— continue to have as many people as going to university , as we do going to university, heaase— as we do going to university, heaase h— as we do going to university, because if you— as we do going to university, because if you look at the costs lheaarhha— because if you look at the costs lheaarhha-aha- because if you look at the costs , becoming and more , it's becoming more and more shear— , it's becoming more and more shear that— , it's becoming more and more shear that h— , it's becoming more and more clear that it is— , it's becoming more and more clear that it is an— , it's becoming more and more clear that it is an absolutely wea— clear that it is an absolutely weh .— clear that it is an absolutely weh , h-s— clear that it is an absolutely weh , has a— clear that it is an absolutely well, it's a tax— clear that it is an absolutely well, it's a tax for clear that it is an absolutely well , it's a tax for life now. well, it's a tax for life now. aha— well, it's a tax for life now. and peaaae— well, it's a tax for life now. and people aa— well, it's a tax for life now. and people do you think young hearse— and people do you think young people are— and people do you think young people are starting to look ahherehwy— people are starting to look differently at— people are starting to look differently at the options ? oh, differently at the options? oh, roe.— differently at the options? oh, ho. a— differently at the options? oh, ho. a ward— differently at the options? oh, 100. i would encourage anyone wha— 100. i would encourage anyone wha wants— 100. i would encourage anyone wha wants a— 100. i would encourage anyone who wants to go— 100. i would encourage anyone who wants to go to university, vou— who wants to go to university, yaa-have— who wants to go to university, yaa-hawelhawe- who wants to go to university, you-havelhave a - who wants to go to university, you have have a plan . you really have to have a plan. i you really have to have a plan. a errerherh— you really have to have a plan. i remember years— you really have to have a plan. i remember years ago you'd go to ahwershy— i remember years ago you'd go to university because— university because it's sarheahha— university because it's - something-friends something that your friends waaha— something that your friends waahhl— something that your friends waahal. vaa— something that your friends would . you want to have a bit would do. you want to have a bit of would do. you want to have a bit ah a— would do. you want to have a bit ah a jolly— would do. you want to have a bit ah a any as— would do. you want to have a bit of a jolly as well— would do. you want to have a bit of a jolly as well as— would do. you want to have a bit of a jolly as well as maybe come out of a jolly as well as maybe come aah-a— of a jolly as well as maybe come aah-a degree.— of a jolly as well as maybe come out-a degree. but- of a jolly as well as maybe come out-a degree. but i- of a jolly as well as maybe come out a degree. but i would out with a degree. but i would reauy— out with a degree. but i would reauy-aaah— out with a degree. but i would really-look at- out with a degree. but i would really look at what really have a look at what yre— really have a look at what yaa-re—whhl really have a look at what. you're—with that you're going to do with that degree— you're going to do with that degree-h— you're going to do with that degree-if it's- you're going to do with that degree if it's going to be degree and if it's going to be he— degree and if it's going to be the any— degree and if it's going to be he any way— degree and if it's going to be the only way that you can, let's say,— the only way that you can, let's say, he — the only way that you can, let's say, he a— the only way that you can, let's say, be a doctor.— the only way that you can, let's say, be a doctor. and even now they-re— say, be a doctor. and even now rhey-re aaahha— say, be a doctor. and even now they're looking at— say, be a doctor. and even now they're looking at different ways— ways of. it's interesting.

haaaar. — ways of. it's interesting. doctor. or but doctor. yeah or a lawyer or but these— doctor. yeah or a lawyer or but these saws— doctor. yeah or a lawyer or but these sahs ah— doctor. yeah or a lawyer or but these sorts of degrees like, you hhaw— these sorts of degrees like, you hhaw rheaha— these sorts of degrees like, you know, media and— these sorts of degrees like, you know, media and marketing and, you know, media and marketing and, yaa-aras— know, media and marketing and, yaa-arts yaa- know, media and marketing and, you-arts, you don't. you know, the arts, you don't heed— you know, the arts, you don't need a— you know, the arts, you don't need a 90— you know, the arts, you don't need to go university. and need to go to university. and as— need to go to university. and h-slhaae— need to go to university. and it'slhuge cost.— need to go to university. and it's huge cost. but i would it's a huge cost. but i would say— it's a huge cost. but i would say this— it's a huge cost. but i would say this university still say this university is still a hashwe— say this university is still a positive _think- say this university is still a positive think about positive thing to think about heaase— positive thing to think about. because—around because it does put you around hearse— because it does put you around hearse-yaa— because it does put you around people-vou might- because it does put you around people you might not ever people that you might not ever meet— people that you might not ever rheealyaar— people that you might not ever meet your everyday from all meet in your everyday from all aver—axaawy. - meet in your everyday from all over _ exactly. so . over the country. exactly. so he— over the country. exactly. so the warm. — over the country. exactly. so the world. yeah,— over the country. exactly. so the world. yeah, i wouldn't be negative— the world. yeah, i wouldn't be| heaaawe—ahe negative about university. like i negative about university. like r—awhae- negative about university. like r—awhae aha- negative about university. like i_twice and i'm i said, i've been twice and i'm going— i said, i've been twice and i'm going a— i said, i've been twice and i'm going ralaaah— i said, i've been twice and i'm going to.again-of- i said, i've been twice and i'm going to again of the going to go again end of the year.— going to go again end of the year. sa— going to go again end of the year. sa yeah.— going to go again end of the year. so yeah. serial university saaaeha— year. so yeah. serial university student yeah.— year. so yeah. serial university student yeah. so— year. so yeah. serial university student yeah. so wouldn't student yeah. so i wouldn't hhaah— student yeah. so i wouldn't knock _would- student yeah. so i wouldn't knock would really knock it, but i would really haah— knock it, but i would really haahlh— knock it, but i would really look-if there's- knock it, but i would really look if there's other avenues look at if there's other avenues sash — look at if there's other avenues such apprenticeships can such as apprenticeships that can get such as apprenticeships that can ass-sa— such as apprenticeships that can aes-sa where— such as apprenticeships that can aes-sa where yaa— such as apprenticeships that can get to where you to go. get you to where you need to go. hes. — get you to where you need to go. hes. -har— get you to where you need to go. yes. _for example,- get you to where you need to go. yes. for example, media, yes. i mean, for example, media, anar— yes. i mean, for example, media, anf aeaaae— yes. i mean, for example, media, a of people studying media a lot of people studying media ssaahes— a lot of people studying media ssaahes aha— a lot of people studying media studies and they— a lot of people studying media studies and they never get a shah— studies and they never get a sniff-actually— studies and they never get a sniff actually working in the sniff of actually working in the assaaa— sniff of actually working in the actual media— sniff of actually working in the actual media really. so there are-different- actual media really. so there are different options are lots of different options for are lots of different options far-aes— are lots of different options far-ses has- are lots of different options for-get into the- are lots of different options for get into the job that for how to get into the job that you— you want to do. thank thankfully. _ you want to do. thank thankfully. thank much, thankfully. thank you very much, lin thankfully. thank you very much, aah-aaahshsaa— thankfully. thank you very much, lin political commentator lin mei, political commentator shere— lin mei, political commentator shere-warhs— lin mei, political commentator there-works in- lin mei, political commentator there works in housing there and also works in housing by he— there and also works in housing by he sahaas— there and also works in housing by the sounds of— there and also works in housing by the sounds of things and resear— by the sounds of things and recent students. _ by the sounds of things and recent students. this recent students. so this is gb wews— recent students. so this is gb news-wash— recent students. so this is gb news _with-emily| news sunday with me, emily carver. — news sunday with me, emily carver. -haehsy- news sunday with me, emily carver. plenty more carver. we've got plenty more shu— carver. we've got plenty more shah sa— carver. we've got plenty more still to come.— carver. we've got plenty more still to come. keir— carver. we've got plenty more still to come. keir starmer plans— still to come. keir starmer hears-eu- still to come. keir starmer plans eu nationals plans to give eu nationals the vase— plans to give eu nationals the vase-ra— plans to give eu nationals the vase-ha aha- plans to give eu nationals the vote _16 and 17- plans to give eu nationals the vote 16 and 17 year vote and also 16 and 17 year aras— vote and also 16 and 17 year aras- whar— vote and also 16 and 17 year olds. what does— vote and also 16 and 17 year olds. what does this reveal ahaas— olds. what does this reveal

ahaas hrs— olds. what does this reveal about his ambitions to reverse hrexhe— about his ambitions to reverse brexit? perhaps— about his ambitions to reverse brexit? perhaps also , as nhs brexit? perhaps also, as nhs washa— brexit? perhaps also, as nhs wahha hsss— brexit? perhaps also, as nhs waiting lists hit— brexit? perhaps also, as nhs waiting lists hit new records , waiting lists hit new records, whar— waiting lists hit new records, whas aaes— waiting lists hit new records, what does the— waiting lists hit new records, what does the backlog tell us ahaas— what does the backlog tell us ahaas she— what does the backlog tell us about the state— what does the backlog tell us about the state of our health sysserhe— about the state of our health care system? well, not good news asseerhsl aha— care system? well, not good news aslseems. and the— care system? well, not good news as seems. and the fallout as it seems. and the fallout sahshaes— as it seems. and the fallout continues-rishi - as it seems. and the fallout continues rishi sunak's continues after rishi sunak's u—sarh— continues after rishi sunak's u—sarh ah— continues after rishi sunak's u—turn on the— continues after rishi sunak's u—turn on the bonfire of eu laws were remainer civil— u—turn on the bonfire of eu laws were remainer civil servants to warhea— were remainer civil servants to hharhee we-we— were remainer civil servants to blame? we've got— were remainer civil servants to blame? we've got all of that sarhha— blame? we've got all of that sarhha aa— blame? we've got all of that sarhha as h— blame? we've got all of that coming up in the— blame? we've got all of that coming up in the next hour, so aah-s— coming up in the next hour, so aah-s 90— coming up in the next hour, so don't go anywhere. 4:3. ”cl don't go anywhere. you're arahahay— don't go anywhere. you're probably seen politicians interviewed a thousand times, but we do it differently . we but we do it differently. we find out who they really are. we don't shout, we chat and hopefully we bring a bit of light , not hopefully we bring a bit of light, not just heat. did you know kate moss ? apparently . do know kate moss? apparently. do you have a pair of jeans or a pair of shoes? yeah, of course i did. what would i do with them? my did. what would i do with them? my friends— did. what would i do with them? my friends ar— did. what would i do with them? my friends are like,— did. what would i do with them? my friends are like, oh— did. what would i do with them? my friends are like, oh my god, what's she doing now? join me every sunday at 6:00 for gloria meets. on gb news. the meets. only on gb news. the people's channel, news people's channel, britain's news channel. all .

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headlines with rory. thank rhahh— headlines with rory. thank rhahh yaa— headlines with rory. thank rhahh yaa wary— headlines with rory. thank thank you very much,- headlines with rory. thank thank you very much, emily. the latest from the gp newsroom nurses are calling for a double digit pay offer to prevent further strike action. the head of the royal college of nursing, pat cullen, told the sunday times the government risks another six months of industrial action if negotiations aren't reopened. members rejected a 5% offer, which was accepted by 14 other unions, a new ballot for strikes will be held later this month. well residents in north devon told us they need to consider the current economic climate. ido consider the current economic climate. i do believe they are warsh— climate. i do believe they are warsh every— climate. i do believe they are wahh ewery penny— climate. i do believe they are worth every penny of- a; i do believe they are worth every penny of 5, but whesher— worth every penny of 5, but whether they're _ worth every penny of 5, but whether they're worth more , i whether they're worth more, i shhh— whether they're worth more, i think probably— whether they're worth more, i think probably yes. but we aehhheay— think probably yes. but we definitely need them. and we heed— definitely need them. and we need she— definitely need them. and we need the health— definitely need them. and we need the health service. it's heha— need the health service. it's heha ra— need the health service. it's being run down— need the health service. it's being run down by this government,- being run down by this government, which i can't blame sherh— government, which i can't blame them far.— government, which i can't blame them for. cowo— government, which i can't blame them for. covid because there's a disease,— them for. covid because there's a new disease, but— them for. covid because there's a new disease, but the rest of it, a new disease, but the rest of h—aa.- a new disease, but the rest of h—aa. - a new disease, but the rest of h—aa. r- a new disease, but the rest of h—aa. rshhhl a new disease, but the rest of- it,_up. i think they it, they mucked up. i think they should the offer that's

should accept the offer that's on because as we're on the table because as we're all suffering from the cost of living crisis and as a pensioner , although we've had a big rise this time, it's probably not going to last. and we're affected by everything as well . affected by everything as well. suggestions of unrest within the conservative party are being downplayed after the prime minister was blamed for the recent local election results. rishi sunak is facing criticism ather— rishi sunak is facing criticism aher hearty— rishi sunak is facing criticism after nearly 1000 councillors tast— after nearly 1000 councillors were lost and— after nearly 1000 councillors were lost and the decision to ssate— were lost and the decision to ssate hash— were lost and the decision to scale back post— were lost and the decision to scale back post brexit plans to seat— scale back post brexit plans to ssraa eu— scale back post brexit plans to ssraa ea hws— scale back post brexit plans to scrap eu laws. well, former home sesreaary— scrap eu laws. well, former home sesreaary hash— scrap eu laws. well, former home secretary priti patel— scrap eu laws. well, former home secretary priti patel accused the— secretary priti patel accused the heater— secretary priti patel accused the leader of— secretary priti patel accused the leader of failing to listen to the leader of failing to listen as has— the leader of failing to listen as has saw— the leader of failing to listen to his own party,— the leader of failing to listen to his own party, adding the rarhes— to his own party, adding the tories hadn't— to his own party, adding the tories hadn't covered itself in gray— tories hadn't covered itself in gray sehs— tories hadn't covered itself in glory since boris— tories hadn't covered itself in glory since boris johnson's readership,— glory since boris johnson's leadership, energy secretary arars— leadership, energy secretary srahr sharps— leadership, energy secretary grant shapps says the pm is asha— grant shapps says the pm is earns the— grant shapps says the pm is doing the right— grant shapps says the pm is doing the right things and hearte— doing the right things and ww“! tass— doing the right things and people just need to be patient . people just need to be patient. i people just need to be patient. rshhh— people just need to be patient. rshhhh shre— people just need to be patient. i think this and— people just need to be patient. i think this and she— people just need to be patient. i think this and she was- i think this and she was referring to the set of elections which were obviously very difficult for the conservatives. there weren't a good set of elections for us,

but this was the first opportunity people have had to comment the shenanigans comment on all the shenanigans of summer and those many of last summer and those many leadership changes that went on. i think people were venting their frustration. i i think people were venting theirfrustration. i actually their frustration. i actually think that rishi sunak, in his five plan to halve five point plan to halve inflation and grow the economy and reduce our debt and cut the nhs waiting list and stop the small boats, i think he's doing exactly the right things. and let's judge him against that. let's judge this government against when it comes to against that. when it comes to the election , the shadow the next election, the shadow business secretary has defended plans to give workers the right to switch off outside of working hours. labour wants to restrict erhaaayers— hours. labour wants to restrict erhaaayers hash — labour wants to restrict employers from contact paying shah— employers from contact paying shah hy— employers from contact paying shah hy ahahe— employers from contact paying staff by phone or— employers from contact paying staff by phone or by email, sayha— staff by phone or by email, saying workers— staff by phone or by email, saying workers should be able to ahssahhesh— saying workers should be able to disconnect from _ saying workers should be able to disconnect from devices in their sawh— disconnect from devices in their aawh hashe— disconnect from devices in their down time. the— disconnect from devices in their down time. the similar legislation— down time. the similar legislation is- down time. the similar legislation is already in place in legislation is already in place he rrahse— legislation is already in place in france. jonathan reynolds hara— in france. jonathan reynolds hate as— in france. jonathan reynolds hate as h— in france. jonathan reynolds told us it will— in france. jonathan reynolds told us it will promote productive— told us it will promote productive equity. i think we do wahh— productive equity. i think we do wahh ha— productive equity. i think we do wahh ha see— productive equity. i think we do want to see the— productive equity. i think we do want to see the kind of erhahayrhehh- want to see the kind of employment laws that will arahesh— employment laws that will protect family— employment laws that will protect family life, give people

hashe— protect family life, give people hhrhe h— protect family life, give people some time in order to do the she— some time in order to do the ahher hhhas— some time in order to do the other things that— some time in order to do the other things that are important in other things that are important he the,— other things that are important he he, as— other things that are important in life, as well— other things that are important in life, as well as— other things that are important in life, as well as work. ' r: in life, as well as work. and i hhhhh— in life, as well as work. and i hhhh shah-s— in life, as well as work. and i think that's been eroded very significantly in recent i significantly in recent years. i think the labour market itself means more people want means that more people want flexing in flexing ability in the workplace. i absolutely workplace. but i absolutely confident aggregate workplace. but i absolutely confidentwe'll aggregate workplace. but i absolutely confidentwe'll agforward is platform we'll put forward is the give people the one that will give people hope optimism and turn this hope and optimism and turn this country after 13 years hope and optimism and turn this co conservative after 13 years hope and optimism and turn this co conservative government rs hope and optimism and turn this co conservative government . of conservative government. meanwhile, the party says it has ahahs— meanwhile, the party says it has has ha— meanwhile, the party says it has plans to create— meanwhile, the party says it has plans to create 80,000 new jobs in plans to create 80,000 new jobs he he— plans to create 80,000 new jobs in hhe sar— plans to create 80,000 new jobs in the car industry— plans to create 80,000 new jobs in the car industry .— plans to create 80,000 new jobs in the car industry . labour says in the car industry. labour says it in the car industry. labour says hh wahh— in the car industry. labour says h with aah— in the car industry. labour says it will part finance— in the car industry. labour says it will part finance eight hasharhes— it will part finance eight factories to— it will part finance eight factories to achieve its goal . factories to achieve its goal. it factories to achieve its goal. h wahh— factories to achieve its goal. h with ahsa— factories to achieve its goal. it will also help— factories to achieve its goal. it will also help power nearly 2 rhhhhah— it will also help power nearly 2 million electric— it will also help power nearly 2 million electric vehicles. it says— million electric vehicles. it says he— million electric vehicles. it says the proposal will see the wesh— says the proposal will see the west midlands— says the proposal will see the west midlands benefit from 28,000— west midlands benefit from zsooo tahs— west midlands benefit from 28,000 jobs and 11,000 roles wahh— 28,000 jobs and 11,000 roles with he— 28,000 jobs and 11,000 roles will be created— 28,000 jobs and 11,000 roles will be created in— 28,000 jobs and 11,000 roles will be created in the north—west- will be created in the north—west turkey is bracing hhseh— north—west turkey is bracing hhseh har— north—west turkey is bracing itself for possible protests as a resahh— itself for possible protests as a resahh ah— itself for possible protests as a result of the— itself for possible protests as a result of the presidential eheshhah. — a result of the presidential election. voters— a result of the presidential election. voters are deciding whehher— election. voters are deciding whehher ar— election. voters are deciding whether or not— election. voters are deciding whether or not president hraaaah — whether or not president erdogan, who's been in power for 20 yas— erdogan, who's been in power for 20 years, should— erdogan, who's been in power for 20 years, should be— erdogan, who's been in power for 20 years, should be re—elected . 20 years, should be re—elected. aha— 20 years, should be re—elected. aha ahhhah— 20 years, should be re—elected. and opinion polls— 20 years, should be re—elected. and opinion polls ahead of the harsh— and opinion polls ahead of the hahhah awe— and opinion polls ahead of the ballot give his— and opinion polls ahead of the

ballot give his main rival, chris— ballot give his main rival, chris skudder,_ ballot give his main rival, chris skudder, a slight lead, a shear— chris skudder, a slight lead, a clear indication— chris skudder, a slight lead, a clear indication of the first hand— clear indication of the first round result— clear indication of the first round result is— clear indication of the first round result is expected this evening— round result is expected this evening .— round result is expected this evening . russian missiles have evening. russian missiles have hit evening. russian missiles have hhh hhe— evening. russian missiles have hhh hhe shy— evening. russian missiles have hhh hhe shy ah— evening. russian missiles have hit the city of ternopil , home hit the city of ternopil, home to hit the city of ternopil, home ha hhhs— hit the city of ternopil, home ha hhhs yes— hit the city of ternopil, home to this year's ukrainian eurovision_ to this year's ukrainian eurovision entry. they were three— eurovision entry. they were heat as— eurovision entry. they were fired as the _ eurovision entry. they were fired as the pop— eurovision entry. they were fired as the pop group davasi aerharrhea— fired as the pop group davasi aeharhea h— fired as the pop group davasi performed in liverpool with the she— performed in liverpool with the state emergency— performed in liverpool with the state emergency service posting awaea— state emergency service posting awaea ah— state emergency service posting awaea a a— state emergency service posting a video of a warehouse that was hit a video of a warehouse that was hhh .— a video of a warehouse that was hit . meanwhile,— a video of a warehouse that was hit . meanwhile, ukraine's hit. meanwhile, ukraine's areshaehh— hit. meanwhile, ukraine's president volodymyr zelenskyy, has sesarea— president volodymyr zelenskyy, has secured more— president volodymyr zelenskyy, has secured more military aid hash— has secured more military aid hash aerrhahy— has secured more military aid from germany, thanking chancellor— from germany, thanking chancellor olaf scholz and his aawerhrhehh— chancellor olaf scholz and his government for— chancellor olaf scholz and his government for their solidarity hash— government for their solidarity hash harhe. — government for their solidarity back home. the— government for their solidarity back home. the prime minister ararsea— back home. the prime minister praised liverpool— back home. the prime minister praised liverpool after hosting the praised liverpool after hosting hhe saha— praised liverpool after hosting the song contest— praised liverpool after hosting the song contest , saying the the song contest, saying the shy— the song contest, saying the shy has— the song contest, saying the shy has ashe— the song contest, saying the city has done ukraine and the uk araaa— city has done ukraine and the uk araaa sweeh— city has done ukraine and the uk proudr sweeh p0p— city has done ukraine and the uk proud, sweet pop star lorraine hashe— proud, sweet pop star lorraine rhaae hhshary— proud, sweet pop star lorraine rhaae hhshary .— proud, sweet pop star lorraine made history , becoming the only made history, becoming the only ha— made history, becoming the only ha wh— made history, becoming the only woman to win the— made history, becoming the only woman to win the event twice the saahhry— woman to win the event twice the saahhry haw— woman to win the event twice the saahhry hes— woman to win the event twice the country now ties with ireland for country now ties with ireland ha hhe— country now ties with ireland ha hhe hash— country now ties with ireland for the most eurovision wsharhes— for the most eurovision victories, both claiming seven hhhhes. — victories, both claiming seven hhhhes. rhe— victories, both claiming seven titles. the uk's— victories, both claiming seven titles. the uk's entry mae hatter— titles. the uk's entry mae muller finished second last hehha— muller finished second last

behind germany . ipsis gb news. behind germany. ipsis gb news. we-hh— behind germany. ipsis gb news. we-hh hrha— behind germany. ipsis gb news. we-hh bring yaa— behind germany. ipsis gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens.— we'll bring you more as it happens. haw,— we'll bring you more as it happens. now, though, back to . emily thank shay- thank you, shay— thank you, rory. so let's get each— thank you, rory. so let's get stuck to in the political news this afternoon . keir starmer, this afternoon. keir starmer, he's been accused of wanting to rig future general elections by changing who's allowed to vote . changing who's allowed to vote. a leaked policy plans reveal labouris a leaked policy plans reveal labour is considering giving the vote to nationals as well as vote to eu nationals as well as 16 and 17 year olds. this is, of course , sparked accusations that course, sparked accusations that starmer is in fact trying to rig the outcome of future elections and that the move could also be and that the move could also be a new bid to roll back brexit. let's get the view of tom harwood, our deputy political editor . is it harwood, our deputy political editor. is it me being cynical to think this might be a bit of a ploy to make sure labour stay in government? well, certainly we eyebrows are being raised because of course the normal

situation by which democracies function around the world is that citizens of the country arnie that is doing the voting decide who is the government and people who are not citizens do not get that right. however, things not get that right. however, hhhas have— not get that right. however, things have been— gr: ” 9 however, things have been muddled in gig ” g however, things have been muddled in the warhea— things have been muddled in the united kingdom _ things have been muddled in the united kingdom recently, aarhhsaharhy— united kingdom recently, particularly amongst devolved administrations— particularly amongst devolved administrations nations for some years— administrations nations for some years h— administrations nations for some years he he— administrations nations for some years now in the scottish parliamentary— years now in the scottish parliamentary elections and theses— parliamentary elections and indeed welsh— parliamentary elections and indeed welsh parliamentary eheshhahs— indeed welsh parliamentary eheshhahs .— indeed welsh parliamentary elections . those devolved elections. those devolved eheshhahs— elections. those devolved elections are _ elections. those devolved elections are eu citizens who have— elections are eu citizens who have settled _ elections are eu citizens who have settled status, can vote . have settled status, can vote. hhahh— have settled status, can vote. hhahh haw— have settled status, can vote. right now that's— have settled status, can vote. right now that's not the case for right now that's not the case ha aeherah— right now that's not the case for general elections. but to assaraha— for general elections. but to according this— for general elections. but to according this leaked policy aasarhehh— according this leaked policy document from _ according this leaked policy document from within labour, hhey— document from within labour, hhey waaha— document from within labour, they would like _ document from within labour, they would like that right to be ehhehaea— they would like that right to be ehhehaea ha— they would like that right to be extended to the— they would like that right to be extended to the around 3.4 rhhhhah— extended to the around 3.4 rhhhhah hu— extended to the around 3.4 million eu citizens in the uk wahh— million eu citizens in the uk with settled— million eu citizens in the uk with settled status. but for whahewer— with settled status. but for whatever reason have chosen not to whatever reason have chosen not ha hesahe— whatever reason have chosen not to become british— whatever reason have chosen not to become british citizens . they to become british citizens. they waaha— to become british citizens. they waaha wahh— to become british citizens. they would want those _ to become british citizens. they would want those people to vote as wet, — would want those people to vote as wet, aha— would want those people to vote as well, and children as well. by as well, and children as well. hy hhe— as well, and children as well. hy hhe hashe— as well, and children as well. by the looks of— as well, and children as well. by the looks of things,- as well, and children as well. by the looks of things, yes, 16 and 17 year olds, to be precise . now, 16 and 17 year olds

now, 16 and 17 year olds have . now, 16 and 17 year olds have been— . now, 16 and 17 year olds have been wahha— . now, 16 and 17 year olds have been voting for— . now, 16 and 17 year olds have been voting for the— now, 16 and 17 year olds have been voting for the last couple of been voting for the last couple a years— been voting for the last couple a years he— been voting for the last couple of years in wales— been voting for the last couple of years in wales in welsh parliamentary— of years in wales in welsh parliamentary and council eheshhahs— parliamentary and council elections, and— parliamentary and council elections, and since 2016, in ssahhhsh— elections, and since 2016, in scottish parliamentary and saahshh— scottish parliamentary and council elections as and the hahaar— council elections as and the hahaar harhy— council elections as and the labour party has— council elections as and the labour party has been pretty vasat— labour party has been pretty wasah ah— labour party has been pretty wasah ah hs— labour party has been pretty vocal on its policy to lower the hrahshhse— vocal on its policy to lower the franchise for— vocal on its policy to lower the franchise for people across the uhhhea — franchise for people across the united kingdom.— franchise for people across the united kingdom. it's a curious age— united kingdom. it's a curious age he— united kingdom. it's a curious age 16 because— united kingdom. it's a curious age 16 because it's not an aaahh. — age 16 because it's not an adult. you're— age 16 because it's not an adult. you're quite right in saying— adult. you're quite right in sayha hhah— adult. you're quite right in saying that it's— adult. you're quite right in saying that it's a 16 year old, is a— saying that it's a 16 year old, is a shia— saying that it's a 16 year old, is a share h— saying that it's a 16 year old, is a child in fact,— saying that it's a 16 year old, is a child in fact, there are ahh— is a child in fact, there are at sarhs— is a child in fact, there are at sarhs ah— is a child in fact, there are all sorts of international protections— all sorts of international protections for- all sorts of international protections for 16 and 17 year aras— protections for 16 and 17 year ahas ahher— protections for 16 and 17 year olds under the— protections for 16 and 17 year olds under the united under the un convention— olds under the united under the un convention on— olds under the united under the un convention on on the rights of un convention on on the rights a hhe— un convention on on the rights a hhe shah— un convention on on the rights a hhe chhha .— un convention on on the rights of the child . so— un convention on on the rights of the child . so it's very odd of the child. so it's very odd to of the child. so it's very odd ha hheh— of the child. so it's very odd ha hheh see— of the child. so it's very odd to then see that— of the child. so it's very odd to then see that sort of responsibility- to then see that sort of responsibility lowered when in so responsibility lowered when in sa rhahy— responsibility lowered when in sa rhahy ahher— responsibility lowered when in so many other areas in recent yas— so many other areas in recent years, we're actually seeing responsibility— years, we're actually seeing responsibility ages rise. so you ha hanger— responsibility ages rise. so you can no longer leave school at 16 in can no longer leave school at 16 h hhe— can no longer leave school at 16 h hhe way— can no longer leave school at 16 h hhe way hhah— can no longer leave school at 16 in the way that you— can no longer leave school at 16 in the way that you used to be ahhe— in the way that you used to be ahhe ha— in the way that you used to be ahhe ha ha— in the way that you used to be able to in this— in the way that you used to be able to in this country. you have— able to in this country. you have ha— able to in this country. you have ha shay— able to in this country. you have to stay in— able to in this country. you have to stay in training or eaasahhah— have to stay in training or education until- have to stay in training or education until 18. similarly vou— education until 18. similarly yaa saa-h— education until 18. similarly yaa sah-h haw— education until 18. similarly you can't now get married independently— you can't now get married independently in the way that you independently in the way that yaa asea— independently in the way that yaa asea ha— independently in the way that yaa asea ha ah— independently in the way that you used to at the age of 16. hhe— you used to at the age of 16. he way— you used to at the age of 16. the way hhah— you used to at the age of 16. the way that you _ you used to at the age of 16. the way that you can join the

army— the way that you can join the army has— the way that you can join the army has changed profoundly and also more than— army has changed profoundly and also more than that, if we're haahha— also more than that, if we're haahha ah— also more than that, if we're looking at some— also more than that, if we're looking at some of the ideas hhah— looking at some of the ideas hhah whee— looking at some of the ideas that we've seen _ looking at some of the ideas that we've seen proposed, aarhhsaharhy— that we've seen proposed, particularly by— that we've seen proposed, particularly by left wing aarhhes— particularly by left wing parties, about raising the shares— parties, about raising the srhahha eager— parties, about raising the smoking age, perhaps into the hha— smoking age, perhaps into the she sesahsa— smoking age, perhaps into the mid seconds or— smoking age, perhaps into the mid seconds or even the mid 30s, ahaah— mid seconds or even the mid 30s, ahaah changing— mid seconds or even the mid 30s, about changing the— mid seconds or even the mid 30s, about changing the way people can about changing the way people ashhewe— about changing the way people can achieve a— about changing the way people can achieve a driving licence so hhah— can achieve a driving licence so hhah hhey— can achieve a driving licence so hhah hhey saa-h— can achieve a driving licence so that they can't drive any of her— that they can't drive any of their friends— that they can't drive any of their friends until the age of 25. their friends until the age of as. h— their friends until the age of as. h sees— their friends until the age of 25. it seems everything is mayhe— 25. it seems everything is moving-other- 25. it seems everything is moving other direction. moving in the other direction. hhah— moving in the other direction. aharh hash — moving in the other direction. hhah hash hhe— moving in the other direction. apart from the voting age, which aaes— apart from the voting age, which aaes-eyehraw— apart from the voting age, which aaes-eyehraw .- apart from the voting age, which does-eyebrow , are- apart from the voting age, which does eyebrow , are you does raise an eyebrow, are you saying— does raise an eyebrow, are you sayha hhah— does raise an eyebrow, are you sayha hhah aar— does raise an eyebrow, are you saying that our politicians saahh— saying that our politicians might-picking- saying that our politicians might picking choosing might be picking and choosing wheh— might be picking and choosing. when—hasea when you become an adult based on when you become an adult based ah whah-s— when you become an adult based on what's well,— when you become an adult based on what's well, what's beneficial— on what's well, what's beneficial oil? well, it does seem a remarkable inconsistency. vaa-a— seem a remarkable inconsistency. vaa-a hhhh— seem a remarkable inconsistency. you'd think that— seem a remarkable inconsistency. you'd think that you'd want to be you'd think that you'd want to he rehahwehy— you'd think that you'd want to be relatively consistent with whah-s— be relatively consistent with what's known— be relatively consistent with what's known as— be relatively consistent with what's known as the age of mar-arrhy— what's known as the age of hatarhhy .— what's known as the age of hatarhhy , hhe — what's known as the age of majority , the age at which you majority, the age at which you get majority, the age at which you aeh rhahhs — majority, the age at which you aeh rightsr aah— majority, the age at which you get rights, but also have get rights, but also you have responsibilities— get rights, but also you have responsibilities where you're no where— responsibilities where you're no where yre— responsibilities where you're no where you're liable your own where you're liable for your own ashhahs. — where you're liable for your own ashhahs. hha— where you're liable for your own actions. and it— where you're liable for your own actions. and it seems that we're rhaaahha— actions. and it seems that we're muddling-further.- actions. and it seems that we're muddling further. so muddling that even further. so i waaha— muddling that even further. so i waaha-aaes. — muddling that even further. so i would-does. yeah.- muddling that even further. so i would-does. yeah. it- muddling that even further. so i would does. “43?" e : would say it does. yeah. it does seem that in our in society, people are children for longer than in past. we're doing than in the past. we're doing things a little later, things a little bit later, possibly because of university,

etcetera. costs and so etcetera. housing costs and so on. we didn't touch on this on. now we didn't touch on this last hour, but the rcn, the royal college of nursing, they are demanding a double digit pay rise now. yes, i think they're rahher— rise now. yes, i think they're rahher aah— rise now. yes, i think they're rather put out— rise now. yes, i think they're rather put out that- ” yes, i think they're rather put out that the vote in the rather put out that the vote in hhe saahshh— rather put out that the vote in the council, in— rather put out that the vote in the council, in the— rather put out that the vote in the council, in the nhs council wehh— the council, in the nhs council wehh aaahsh— the council, in the nhs council went against the— the council, in the nhs council went against the membership of the went against the membership of hhe hsw — went against the membership of the rcn because— went against the membership of the rcn because let's not harass— the rcn because let's not forget, there _ the rcn because let's not forget, there are lots of different _ forget, there are lots of different within the forget, there are lots of- different-within the nhs different unions within the nhs and hhe— different unions within the nhs and hhe wash— different unions within the nhs and the vast majority motty of hhase— and the vast majority motty of hhase wha — and the vast majority motty of those who voted— and the vast majority motty of those who voted in the ballots ashaahhy— those who voted in the ballots actually backed _ those who voted in the ballots actually backed the pay deal for 5% actually backed the pay deal for aw aha— actually backed the pay deal for 5% and backdated_ actually backed the pay deal for 5% and backdated and lump sum for 5% and backdated and lump sum ha hash— 5% and backdated and lump sum ha hash year— 5% and backdated and lump sum for last year as— 5% and backdated and lump sum for last year as well. a fairly aeheraas hy— for last year as well. a fairly generous by the _ for last year as well. a fairly generous by the standards, serhahhy— generous by the standards, serhahhy ah— generous by the standards, certainly of the— generous by the standards, certainly of the private sector sher— certainly of the private sector ahher .— certainly of the private sector ahher . hha— certainly of the private sector ahher . aha hh— certainly of the private sector offer . and it does seem that the offer. and it does seem that the hsa— offer. and it does seem that the raw are— offer. and it does seem that the raw haw— offer. and it does seem that the rcn are now looking to do other hhhas— rcn are now looking to do other things because— rcn are now looking to do other things because they will be aehhha— things because they will be aehhha hhah— things because they will be getting that pay rise now. but hhey-re— getting that pay rise now. but hhey-re a— getting that pay rise now. but they're a little— getting that pay rise now. but they're a little bit put out hhah— they're a little bit put out hhah hhey-re— they're a little bit put out that they're more militant . that they're more militant. shrhae— that they're more militant. share was— that they're more militant. stride was not— that they're more militant. stride was not taken on by their sraae h— stride was not taken on by their comrades in other— stride was not taken on by their comrades in other parts of the whs— comrades in other parts of the was .— comrades in other parts of the was . sa— comrades in other parts of the was . sa we— comrades in other parts of the nhs . so we are— comrades in other parts of the nhs . so we are seeing some nhs. so we are seeing some noises bubble— nhs. so we are seeing some noises bubble up now about aahehhhahhy— noises bubble up now about potentially more action coming haher— potentially more action coming haher h— potentially more action coming haher h hhe— potentially more action coming

later in the year. _ potentially more action coming later in the year. " f later in the year. i mean, come hhe— later in the year. i mean, come the next election, if there is still strike action ongoing within the nhs , i think it's within the nhs, i think it's going to be even more difficult for rishi sunak , but we shall for rishi sunak, but we shall see. thank you very much indeed, our deputy political editor there , tom harwood bringing us there, tom harwood bringing us up to date on what's going on in westminster. so moving on. we were promised, weren't we, a bonfire of eu laws? but that seems to have been extinguished somewhat . business secretary somewhat. business secretary kemi badenoch . she said it's kemi badenoch. she said it's impossible for the government to push through plans to ditch all eu laws because of the whitehall blob. instead only 600 out of 4800 eu laws will face scrapping or reform. so joining me in the studio, very quick changeover , studio, very quick changeover, chair of the british political action conference, henry bolton and former minister for europe, denis macshane . shane, i think denis macshane. shane, i think i've had you both on together before. actually, you have. so we'll see if sparks fly. who should i start with on this? let's go to henry. henry do you

feel like this is all a bit of a betrayal of brexit? partly . betrayal of brexit? partly. partly. you know, none of these things are black and white. sadly arnie be so much easier. yeah, it would. it would. it really would. but the government seems to treat them as though they're black and white. and so to the media and not- and so to the media and not yourself, of course, what— to the media and not yourself, of course, what we've got is .a— of course, what we've got is w-weea- whahe- of course, what we've got is we've a whole bunch of we've got a whole bunch of heahshahhah— we've got a whole bunch of legislation here _ we've got a whole bunch of legislation here the legislation here that the government _ legislation here that the government said, we've government said, right? we've got government said, right? we've aah-ha— government said, right? we've aah-hala- government said, right? we've got-to-ridlthis. got we want to get rid of this. hash— got we want to get rid of this. aha—saah- got we want to get rid of this. and-said, good,- got we want to get rid of this. . and-said, good, that's and everybody said, good, that's araaress. — and everybody said, good, that's araaress. ihhe— and everybody said, good, that's progress. the brexiteer side progress. all the brexiteer side saah— progress. all the brexiteer side saah areas— progress. all the brexiteer side said, great, that's— progress. all the brexiteer side said, great, that's good araaress. — said, great, that's good. progress. _we're progress. you know, we're hhahhy— progress. you know, we're finally doing— progress. you know, we're finally doing something. let's get finally doing something. let's aeh—haws- finally doing something. let's ash—haws hhah- finally doing something. let's get—laws that tiei get rid of these laws that tie us get rid of these laws that tie aslhhe — get rid of these laws that tie uslthe european- get rid of these laws that tie us the european and us to the european union and whahewer. — us to the european union and whatever. and— us to the european union and whatever. and in— us to the european union and whatever. ' r: i ”at us to the european union and whatever. ' r: " fiat. us to the european union and whatever. r: " rtg whatever. and in fact, some of those do so, for those laws do it. so, for example, right at top of the example, right at the top of the list, there it's not a law, list, there is it's not a law, it's a regulation. so this is sarhehhha— it's a regulation. so this is something that— it's a regulation. so this is something that the- e g so this is something that the commission hashsahhy— something that the commission basically imposed. and basically has has imposed. and it basically has has imposed. and hhlhhaasea— basically has has imposed. and hhlhrhaasea ah— basically has has imposed. and it imposed on member states it is imposed on member states on it is imposed on member states ah ah— it is imposed on member states an in herrhs— it is imposed on member states an he has a— it is imposed on member states on in terms of and— it is imposed on member states on in terms of and it governs or hays— on in terms of and it governs or hays .— on in terms of and it governs or lays , establishes— on in terms of and it governs or lays , establishes the controls lays, establishes the controls aha— lays, establishes the controls and inspections— lays, establishes the controls and inspections as to enforce hhe— and inspections as to enforce hhe sahrhah— and inspections as to enforce the common fisheries policy. so

hhah-s— the common fisheries policy. so has she— the common fisheries policy. so that's one that,— the common fisheries policy. so that's one that, for— the common fisheries policy. so that's one that, for example , that's one that, for example, shaaha— that's one that, for example, shaaha 90— that's one that, for example, should go because ministers in the should go because ministers in hhe hh— should go because ministers in the uk cannot— should go because ministers in the uk cannot make decisions as to the uk cannot make decisions as ha ha— the uk cannot make decisions as to do something— the uk cannot make decisions as to do something slightly shherehh— to do something slightly different to _ to do something slightly different to diverge from the eu in hhah— different to diverge from the eu in that respect. _ different to diverge from the eu in that respect. whilst that's shah— in that respect. whilst that's shhhh ah— in that respect. whilst that's shhhh ah hhe— in that respect. whilst that's still on the statute books. so heh-s— still on the statute books. so as ea— still on the statute books. so as aeh rah— still on the statute books. so let's get rid of— still on the statute books. so let's get rid of that. it has hhe— let's get rid of that. it has hhe aawer— let's get rid of that. it has hhe aawer ah— let's get rid of that. it has the power of law, it's enforceable.- the power of law, it's enforceable. state member states have— enforceable. state member states have ha— enforceable. state member states have ha sarhahy— enforceable. state member states have to comply with it. it's shah— have to comply with it. it's still sitting _ have to comply with it. it's still sitting there. so those sarh— still sitting there. so those sarh ah— still sitting there. so those sort of things— still sitting there. so those sort of things to change. sort of things need to change. hah— sort of things need to change. hahlhhe— sort of things need to change. but-the other— sort of things need to change. but the other hand, are but on the other hand, there are ahsa— but on the other hand, there are also regulations— but on the other hand, there are also regulations there that also regulations in there that arewehh— also regulations in there that arewehh-hrhaarh- also regulations in there that prevent import and prevent that the import and ehaarh— prevent that the import and ehaahlaaa— prevent that the import and export-dog and- prevent that the import and export dog and cat fur. \r:irri export of dog and cat fur. now haw— export of dog and cat fur. now haw many— export of dog and cat fur. now haw many-hhas- export of dog and cat fur. now how many this country how many people in this country would to see the uk would really like to see the uk importing exporting dog or importing and exporting dog or cat fur? probably very, very few. — cat fur? probably very, very few. sa — cat fur? probably very, very few. so that— cat fur? probably very, very few. so that regulation actually has some, um, some merit, but that's in there to be removed as well without any particular replacement. and if you look at in detailed way uk law, the parliament has or the government has introduced a law that now gives the secretary of state the power using a statutory instrument to bypass that and to allow now the import and export

import and export of dog fur. do we want that? so i don't think this has been thought through by the government fully. and the result is they presented this as 4000 pieces of eu legislation that must go to break away from the european union and have suddenly found that actually some of it is actually quite useful and some of it they don't really know what the consequence is. ah, they haven't thought it through. my final point on that just very quickly is that this signifies the real betrayal of brexit, which is that the government in fact no politician in this country has presented a clear vision and a clear roadmap as to how we achieve that vision. post brexit, what do we want to be? what do we want to do with agriculture, fisheries, defence security? immigration, borders trade? never borders, trade? this never happened. borders, trade? this never happened . it still never happened. it still never happened. it still never happened and therefore , how do happened and therefore, how do you draw up a really relevant list of eu legislation that you want to get of that that's want to get rid of that that's there prevents you from developing new policy? so there's a whole load of things

to unpack on this. it's a failure of government and failure of government and failure of government and failure of public administration and a failure to which i've always said there's nothing new in what i'm saying here of brexiteers as leading brexiteers , elected and otherwise , to lay , elected and otherwise, to lay down a clear vision and say that's where we want to go, that still needs to be done. well, there you go. i mean,- g : : well, there you go. i mean, it's very shhhsahh— there you go. i mean, it's very difficult for— there you go. i mean, it's very difficult for the _ there you go. i mean, it's very difficult for the conservative aawerhrhehh— difficult for the conservative government under its new heaaershha— government under its new leadership to— government under its new leadership to do so , knowing leadership to do so, knowing hhah— leadership to do so, knowing hhah a— leadership to do so, knowing that a general— leadership to do so, knowing that a general election is sarhha— that a general election is sarhha very— that a general election is coming very soon and with aaaaharhhy— coming very soon and with popularity pretty low to set out awhahe— popularity pretty low to set out awhahe ew— popularity pretty low to set out a whole new vision . but i take a whole new vision. but i take yaar— a whole new vision. but i take yaar rahh— a whole new vision. but i take yaar aahh hhah— a whole new vision. but i take your point that they they haweh-h— your point that they they haven't done— your point that they they haven't done so yet. dennis what do haven't done so yet. dennis what has yaa— haven't done so yet. dennis what has yaa hhhhh— haven't done so yet. dennis what has yaa hhhha a— haven't done so yet. dennis what do you think? a lot— haven't done so yet. dennis what do you think? a lot of brexiteers _ do you think? a lot of brexiteers thought that one of the brexiteers thought that one of hhe hrsh— brexiteers thought that one of the first things— brexiteers thought that one of the first things the government waaha— the first things the government waaha aa— the first things the government would do would— the first things the government would do would be to go through all would do would be to go through ahh ah— would do would be to go through ahh a hhese— would do would be to go through all of these eu— would do would be to go through all of these eu laws and regulations— all of these eu laws and regulations with a fine tooth saah— regulations with a fine tooth comb, decide _ regulations with a fine tooth comb, decide which ones benefit our economy, benefit our shhhzehs — our economy, benefit our citizens, which- our economy, benefit our citizens, which ones don't , citizens, which ones don't, whhsh— citizens, which ones don't, whhsh shes— citizens, which ones don't, which ones can— citizens, which ones don't, which ones can be amended a ahhe— which ones can be amended a hhhhhe ha.— which ones can be amended a little bit. it's— which ones can be amended a little bit. it's not— which ones can be amended a little bit. it's not beyond the wit little bit. it's not beyond the whh ah— little bit. it's not beyond the whh a shah— little bit. it's not beyond the whh a .— little bit. it's not beyond the wit of man , is— little bit. it's not beyond the wit of man , is it? are the civil wit of man, is it? are the civil serwahhs— wit of man, is it? are the civil serwahhs ah— wit of man, is it? are the civil servants at fault— wit of man, is it? are the civil servants at fault here? c: servants at fault here? good hara— servants at fault here? good harsh ha— servants at fault here? good harsh ha .— servants at fault here? good harsh ha . h— servants at fault here? good lord, no . i mean,-

servants at fault here? good lord, no . i mean, i'm in lord, no. i mean, i'm in complete agreement with henry. thank goodness he's come over to my side of the fence. he's just made the speech. _ my side of the fence. he's just made the speech. i- my side of the fence. he's just made the speech. i haven't maes— made the speech. i haven't moved. made. hang- made the speech. " c hang on. made the speech. " c : : hang on. we made the speech. i haven't- moved. made. hang on. we brought to moved. made. hang on. we brought ha yaa— moved. made. hang on. we brought ha yaa sa— moved. made. hang on. we brought ha yaa sa hhah— moved. made. hang on. we brought to you so that you'd— moved. made. hang on. we brought to you so that you'd be— to you so that you'd be different. _ to you so that you'd be different. zach/i— to you so that you'd be different. $707 $705 to you so that you'd be- different. 2014, 2015, 2016. it's different. 2014, 2015, 2016. as a— different. 2014, 2015, 2016. as a hah— different. 2014, 2015, 2016. it's a bit more— different. zz’o'i�* $9013 cit it's a bit more complicated. as— it's a bit more complicated. as hah— it's a bit more complicated. as aah ahe— it's a bit more complicated. it's not like boris— it's a bit more complicated. it's not like boris johnson just dumping one of his wives or women . it's technically, women. it's technically, unbelievably— women. it's technically, unbelievably. - it's technically, unbelievably. /r:ir. it's technically, unbelievably. v/rir grir women. it's technically,- unbelievably . you've got the unbelievably. you've got the bods unbelievably. you've got the boris johnson siren there and so what? it's not particularly the harhaas— what? it's not particularly the harhaas hhe— what? it's not particularly the famous the blob— what? it's not particularly the famous the blob or- , it's not particularly the famous the blob or the blob, hheh— famous the blob or the blob, hheh hs— famous the blob or the blob, then is joanna— famous the blob or the blob, then is joanna lumley . i don't then is joanna lumley. i don't hhaw— then is joanna lumley. i don't hhaw h— then is joanna lumley. i don't hhaw h she-s— then is joanna lumley. i don't know if she's an— then is joanna lumley. i don't know if she's an honorary blob . know if she's an honorary blob. she— know if she's an honorary blob. she hs— know if she's an honorary blob. she is leading— know if she's an honorary blob. she is leading the— know if she's an honorary blob. she is leading the campaign on ahhrhah— she is leading the campaign on animal welfare— she is leading the campaign on animal welfare because she hehhewes— animal welfare because she believes it's— animal welfare because she believes it's important. and whah— believes it's important. and whah tasah— believes it's important. and what jacob rees—mogg wanted to do what jacob rees—mogg wanted to as was— what jacob rees—mogg wanted to aa ha— what jacob rees—mogg wanted to aa ha rh— what jacob rees—mogg wanted to aa ha rip ah— what jacob rees—mogg wanted to do was to rip up all— what jacob rees—mogg wanted to do was to rip up all the laws on the do was to rip up all the laws on hhe hrhhhsh— do was to rip up all the laws on the british statute— do was to rip up all the laws on the british statute book that we haaahh— the british statute book that we haaahh-ahha— the british statute book that we fought _onto the - the british statute book that we fought onto the european fought to get onto the european shahahe— fought to get onto the european shahahe-ah— fought to get onto the european statute-on animal- fought to get onto the european statute on animal welfare. statute book on animal welfare. aehry— statute book on animal welfare. aehry sareshhy— statute book on animal welfare. henry correctly mentioned fish. we henry correctly mentioned fish. we saahh— henry correctly mentioned fish. we saaha rh— henry correctly mentioned fish. we could rip all— henry correctly mentioned fish. we could rip all that up. we waahah-h— we could rip all that up. we wouldn't export— we could rip all that up. we wouldn't export a single sardine to wouldn't export a single sardine ha yaa. — wouldn't export a single sardine ha yaa. hah— wouldn't export a single sardine ha yaa. heh he— wouldn't export a single sardine to you. let me just— wouldn't export a single sardine to you. let me just interject there, because i don't know if you've seen recently, but there's been news story days about how the uk has chosen to augn about how the uk has chosen to align ourselves with the eu laws

on animal testing. align ourselves with the eu laws on animal testing . so we are now on animal testing. so we are now animal testing to be aligned with the eu . what is all that with the eu. what is all that about? well, again , you know, if about? well, again, you know, if it's back to my main point there, which was if you don't have a clear policy as to policy as to what you want to do now and policy and its implementation is what the pubuc implementation is what the public will vote on, what is it you want to do, political party? what is it you are capable of delivering?— what is it you are capable of delivering? what have you failed to delivering? what have you failed ha aehaer— delivering? what have you failed to deliver that— delivering? what have you failed to deliver that you— delivering? what have you failed to deliver that you said you wash— to deliver that you said you waaha ahh— to deliver that you said you would all of— to deliver that you said you would all of that sort of thing. hhah-s— would all of that sort of thing. has whah— would all of that sort of thing. that's what people vote on. if you— that's what people vote on. if you-90t— that's what people vote on. if yaa-aah h— that's what people vote on. if yaa-aah h yaa- that's what people vote on. if you got if you haven't got you have got if you haven't got shear— you have got if you haven't got shear parasy— you have got if you haven't got shear pahhsy, a— you have got if you haven't got clear policy, a clear plan, a shear— clear policy, a clear plan, a shear wshah— clear policy, a clear plan, a clear vision, which about clear vision, which is about heaaershha— clear vision, which is about leadership, then you cannot aasshhhy— leadership, then you cannot possibly _what- possibly work out what legislation— possibly work out what legislation you need in place. if legislation you need in place. a yaa— legislation you need in place. a yaa wahh— legislation you need in place. a yaa wahh ha— legislation you need in place. if you want to ban dog and cat hhaarhs— if you want to ban dog and cat hhaarhs h— if you want to ban dog and cat imports, if that's— if you want to ban dog and cat imports, if that's important fur hhaarhs— imports, if that's important fur hhaahs hheh— imports, if that's important fur imports, then you've got to have the legislation— imports, then you've got to have the legislation in— imports, then you've got to have the legislation in place. it's simpler— the legislation in place. it's simpler hah— the legislation in place. it's simple, but we're starting in hhe— simple, but we're starting in hhe wrang— simple, but we're starting in the wrong place. _ simple, but we're starting in the wrong place. we're we're sharhha— the wrong place. we're we're sharhha hah— the wrong place. we're we're starting from, i— the wrong place. we're we're starting from, i think, a aashhhah— starting from, i think, a aashhhah ah— starting from, i think, a position of we have to break sheah— position of we have to break

sheah ah— position of we have to break clean of the— position of we have to break clean of the european union. we aah-h— clean of the european union. we aah-h reahhy— clean of the european union. we don't really know— clean of the european union. we don't really know how to do it. we don't really know how to do it. we aah-h— don't really know how to do it. we don't know— don't really know how to do it. we don't know how to present it to we don't know how to present it ha hhe— we don't know how to present it ha hhe aahhhs. — we don't know how to present it to the public. so— we don't know how to present it to the public. so we're going to hahe— to the public. so we're going to haheihhhs— to the public. so we're going to take .this retained- take all this retained legislation- take all this retained legislation we're going take all this retained- legislation .we're going to legislation and we're going to put legislation and we're going to aah hhe— legislation and we're going to aah hhe ae— legislation and we're going to aah hhe ha— legislation and we're going to put the axe to it.— legislation and we're going to put the axe to it. and people wah— put the axe to it. and people was-hhah. — put the axe to it. and people will-that. and- put the axe to it. and people will that. r: put the axe to it. and people will that. 'r: will like that. and that's true. people like it, but most people will like it, but most people listening watching people will like it, but most peophavetening watching people will like it, but most peophaveteniigot watching people will like it, but most peophaveteniigot the vatching people will like it, but most peophaveteniigot the timeing people will like it, but most peophaveteniigot the time to here have not got the time to look even the list, let look through even the list, let alone scrutinise each of alone scrutinise each piece of the pieces of megxit the 4000 pieces of megxit actually actually, we actually actually, actually, we do an absolutely enormous actually actually, actually, we do serviceabsolutely enormous actually actually, actually, we do service. it'sitely enormous actually actually, actually, we do service. it's huge.normous actually actually, actually, we do service . it's huge. theious civil service. it's huge. the sawh— civil service. it's huge. the civil service— civil service. it's huge. the civil service can't- civil service. it's huge. the civil service can't be- rt. . c rt.ri it's huge. the civil service can't be beyond hhe— civil service can't be beyond hhe wah— civil service can't be beyond hhe whh ha— civil service can't be beyond the wit to look— civil service can't be beyond the wit to look through some of hhese— the wit to look through some of hhese saws.— the wit to look through some of these laws. some— the wit to look through some of these laws. some of them are arehhy— these laws. some of them are arehhy hash,— these laws. some of them are pretty basic, aren't they? hhey-re— pretty basic, aren't they? hhey-re hah— pretty basic, aren't they? they're not all- pretty basic, aren't they? they're not all uber uber sarhahes. — they're not all uber uber complex. but- they're not all uber uber complex. e?“ c they're not all uber uber complex. ti c they're not all uber uber- complex. but you can't you can't know whether you want it or not unless know what policy unless you know what policy you want . when i was helping want. when i was helping governments asia, governments in central asia, putting and regulation putting every law and regulation to parliamentary no, putting every law and regulation to don'tamentary no, putting every law and regulation to don't need:ary no, putting every law and regulation to don't need tot no, putting every law and regulation to don't need tot that, no, putting every law and regulation to don't need tot that, thank you don't need to do that, thank goodness. but you don't need to do goodness. but you don't need to aa hhah. — goodness. but you don't need to aa hhah. hah— goodness. but you don't need to do that. but you _ goodness. but you don't need to do that. but you do— goodness. but you don't need to do that. but you do need- g: but you don't need to do that. r:rir : goodness. but you don't need to do that. but you do need to know what policy you're aligning the legislation in legislation to. when i was in central asia, they said, well, you to this, you know, we want to do this, this, and this, but the law this, this and this, but the law doesn't allow us to do it. and i said, well, you know, where law

is made by your assembly, okay, if you've got if you're if you've got a government that wants pursue if you're if you've got a gsparticular that wants pursue if you're if you've got a gsparticularpolicy,ants pursue if you're if you've got a gsparticular policy, you pursue if you're if you've got a gsparticular policy, you thenirsue a particular policy, you then look, the legislation allow look, does the legislation allow us yes or no? if it us to do it? yes or no? if it doesn't, well, what do we need to enable do it? you don't to enable us to do it? you don't start off with just a principle of axe the legislation . of let's axe the legislation. no. well, you are very much eshaha— no. well, you are very much eshaha a— no. well, you are very much echoing a column— \rrir well, you are very much echoing a column that was in say— echoing a column that was in sarry ha— echoing a column that was in say ha heave— echoing a column that was in sorry to leave you. henry's been aahhahesh — sorry to leave you. henry's been dominated. sorry— sorry to leave you. henry's been dominated. sorry ,_ sorry to leave you. henry's been dominated. sorry, henry. aehry-s— dominated. sorry, henry. aehry-s heeh— dominated. henry's been absolutely dominating.— henry's been absolutely dominating. i'm terribly sorry. i dominating. i'm terribly sorry. a aah-h— dominating. i'm terribly sorry. a hash hare— dominating. i'm terribly sorry. i don't have to— dominating. i'm terribly sorry. i don't have to say— dominating. i'm terribly sorry. i don't have to say anything. no, he's speaking my language. he should. he should have been rasah— he should. he should have been rasah hees-rraaa. — he should. he should have been jacob rees—mogg. but- ri : he should have been jacob rees—mogg. c jacob rees—mogg. but this isn't politics. this is common sense. henry. you've got to give we've got henry. you've got to give we've aah ha— henry. you've got to give we've aah ha awe— henry. you've got to give we've aah ha give hhe— henry. you've got to give we've got to give the last word to dennis— got to give the last word to dennis, because _ got to give the last word to dennis, because i think it will have— dennis, because i think it will have-hhe— dennis, because i think it will have _the last- dennis, because i think it will have the last word. but have to be the last word. but h-rh — have to be the last word. but h-rh sarry— have to be the last word. but r-rh sary whah— have to be the last word. but i'm sorry what henry said there has— i'm sorry what henry said there has eshaea— i'm sorry what henry said there has echoed actually what's been wrhhheh— has echoed actually what's been written _ express i written in today's daily express , whhsh— written in today's daily express , whhsh ah— written in today's daily express .wuu. a-hs— written in today's daily express , which of-is a- written in today's daily express , which of is a brexit , which of course is a brexit hashha— , which of course is a brexit backing newspaper. got backing newspaper. you've got hhah— backing newspaper. you've goti hhah—saws liam fox, brexiteer david davis , heather,— liam fox, brexiteer david davis , brexiteer, andrea— liam fox, brexiteer david davis , brexiteer, andrea leadsom, hexa— , brexiteer, andrea leadsom, hreshh her— , brexiteer, andrea leadsom, brexit tier saying that kemi haaehash— brexit tier saying that kemi badenoch is— brexit tier saying that kemi badenoch is right to u—turn on hhas— badenoch is right to u—turn on his ssraaaha— badenoch is right to u—turn on this scrapping of— badenoch is right to u—turn on this scrapping of all the eu has — this scrapping of all the eu has hh— this scrapping of all the eu

laws. et cetera. _ this scrapping of all the eu laws. et cetera. so let's have hahs— laws. et cetera. so let's have hahs share— laws. et cetera. so let's have lots more. but— laws. et cetera. so let's have lots more. but i— laws. et cetera. so let's have lots more. but i think the worry hhaaah— lots more. but i think the worry hhaaah hehhhs— lots more. but i think the worry though, dennis from brexiteers hah— though, dennis from brexiteers hash hhe— though, dennis from brexiteers from the average,— though, dennis from brexiteers from the average, the average joe from the average, the average aae hreshheer— from the average, the average joe brexiteer is— from the average, the average joe brexiteer is that if they aah-h— joe brexiteer is that if they aah-h aa — joe brexiteer is that if they don't do this— joe brexiteer is that if they don't do this now , it's not don't do this now, it's not going— don't do this now, it's not going ha— don't do this now, it's not going to happen because we're arahahhy— going to happen because we're probably going— going to happen because we're probably going to have a labour aawerhrhehh— probably going to have a labour aawerhrhehh ar— probably going to have a labour government or possibly a labour hhherah— government or possibly a labour liberal democrat,— government or possibly a labour liberal democrat, snp coalition of liberal democrat, snp coalition a sarhs— liberal democrat, snp coalition a sarhs .— liberal democrat, snp coalition a sarhs , hah— liberal democrat, snp coalition of sorts , but it's— liberal democrat, snp coalition of sorts , but it's never going of sorts, but it's never going to of sorts, but it's never going ha happen.— of sorts, but it's never going to happen. look— of sorts, but it's never going to happen. look ben, you'd be happy— to happen. look ben, you'd be happy thougb- _ to happen. look ben, you'd be happy though. dennis i'm not happy- _ happy though. dennis i'm not happy. aaw— happy though. dennis i'm not happy- how can_ happy though. dennis i'm not happy- how can i- happy though. dennis i'm not happy. t " happy though. dennis i'm not happy. 'rti“ rit? happy. how can i be happier? we've had seven of the worst economic and social divisive years of our life, our politics in the last seven years in all parties. i stress that has been dreadful . you won't find dreadful. you won't find a symbol single manager in the chemical industry who thinks it's a good idea to take working chemical regulations that allow us to export to europe and tear them all up to please jacob rees—mogg is right. it's every political party. it's a total lack of leadership across the board, a lack of vision . and board, a lack of vision. and until we have that, and this is why i very welcome the cd0 conference that's taken place, not because of political bias or

anything, but but simply because there is at least some growing awareness in one of the political parties that you need some visionary leadership and you need capable people to in parliament from priti patel, well capable of growing awareness . that's a need. come awareness. that's a need. come on, henry, are you scoffing? look at the labour front bench. vaa— look at the labour front bench. vaa asaaree. — look at the labour front bench. you disagree. you— look at the labour front bench. v./rir r: irritgriri you should look at the labour front bench. v/rir. r: irritgriri you should be you disagree. you should be ahhe— you disagree. you should be prime minister. _ you disagree. you should be prime minister. i'd- v/rir. r: irritgriri you should be prime minister. r: you disagree. you should be- prime minister. i'd work for him if he was prime minister. then you can be in my �*" 37” i�*i “ then you can be in my cabinet. c you can be in my cabinet. it's very— you can be in my cabinet. it's wary easy— you can be in my cabinet. it's wary easy ha.— you can be in my cabinet. it's wary easy ha. yaa— you can be in my cabinet. it's very easy to, you know,- you can be in my cabinet. it's very easy to, you know, sit at the sidelines and say, oh, they're an idiot. they're an idiot, they're an idiot. but i think it's a very difficult time to in politics looking at think it's a very difficult time to shadow itics looking at think it's a very difficult time to shadow frontbench.)king at think it's a very difficult time to shadow frontbench. i'm; at think it's a very difficult time to shadow frontbench. i'm not the shadow frontbench. i'm not too impressed with that. i'm not sure our viewers at would sure our viewers at home would be a a bit of be either. it's a it's a bit of a hobson's choice, really. we have the european have to break clean the european union. we have to it's union. we have to break. it's shhhsahh— union. we have to break. it's shhhsahh. h— union. we have to break. it's difficult. i agree.— “ rir“ we have to break. it's difficult. i agree. the quality of difficult. i agree. the quality a—aeherahhy. i of politicians generally. sorry.— of politicians generally. sorry-rees- of politicians generally. sorry, - need to l of politicians generally. l sorry,-need to pay of politicians generally. - sorry,-need to pay them sorry, they we need to pay them £1 million a year and then maybe they'd half possibly they'd be half decent, possibly not. boris. boris. for not. then they boris. boris. for 20 million. i'll do it for 20 grand, but i'll only do two hours a week. there you go. henry bolton, who is chair of

the british political action conference, macshane, conference, and denis macshane, former europe. we former minister for europe. we had agreement, but we had a bit of agreement, but we also bit disagreement, also had a bit of disagreement, which you are watching which is nice. you are watching analysts gb sunday analysts nato gb news sunday with carver. still with me, emily carver. still ahead, as waiting lists hit a new record of 7.3 million people, they were 7.2 million people. now it's 7.3. in england alone. is the nhs fit for purpose? all of that after this

listening to gb news radio. lass.— listening to gb news radio. i yes. welcome— listening to gb news radio. i yes. welcome back.- listening to gb news radio.. - yes. welcome back. you're yes. welcome back. you're watching and listening to gb news with me, emily news sunday with me, emily carver on your tv and radio. so you've in on you've been getting in touch on our big topic of the day. the government's u—turn on its proposed of eu laws. we proposed bonfire of eu laws. we were just that with were just debating that with henry denis macshane, henry bolton and denis macshane, elizabeth was obvious elizabeth says it was obvious this would go as as this bill would go as soon as bods this bill would go as soon as boris toppled . sunak is all boris was toppled. sunak is all talk . no delivery. yes and as talk. no delivery. yes and as henry says there, does he have a vision? john says the biggest

democratic vote this country has ever known decided not to stay in the eu and be governed by its laws. deceitful politicians in westminster have decided that they are above the will of the british public. it does appear that way, lucy says . i shall that way, lucy says. i shall never regret voting for brexit, but we have been disastrously let down by our politicians, especially sunak, who is not our elected prime minister. he has reneged on promises to shred thousands of eu laws and protect our borders. well, this does link to crazy net link to those crazy net migration figures that we may well be seeing come the end of the month. for the past year , the month. for the past year, people voted to brexit control our borders, take back control and it seems like our politicians have very much lost control anyway . clive says the control anyway. clive says the eu laws were determined by the eu laws were determined by the eu members at the time. one of which was the uk. they are our laws. well there's the alternative view. we accepted them, then we should accept them now. we should in our now. we should keep them in our statute i think that statute books. i think that we should through of them, should look through all of them, decide serve us, decide which ones serve us, which ones don't, and go from

there. but please do keep your views in. subscribe to views coming in. subscribe to our channel you're our youtube channel while you're at us on twitter. at it. follow us on twitter. we're gb news. so waiting we're at gb news. so waiting lists to waiting lists. in lists back to waiting lists. in the they hit a new the nhs, they have hit a new record , 7.3 million people record high, 7.3 million people in england alone are now waiting for treatment . and the prime for treatment. and the prime minister, of course, has pledged to cut waiting lists, making it one of his five top priorities when he unveiled the priorities in january, rishi sunak promised in january, rishi sunak promised in waiting lists will in quotes nhs waiting lists will fall and people will get the care they need more quickly . care they need more quickly. well, it doesn't seem to be going awfully well . joining me going awfully well. joining me to discuss this is lucy johnston, who is the health and social affairs editor at the sunday express. lucy hello, lucy .thank sunday express. lucy hello, lucy . thank you forjoining me. now let's try and be a little bit positive. is any progress being made when it comes to these waiting lists? we've seen the big headline figure has gone up, but is there any anything good going . on well, a small positive

going. on well, a small positive hahe— going. on well, a small positive has as— going. on well, a small positive has as hhah— going. on well, a small positive note is that the— going. on well, a small positive note is that the waits— grir “g 0“ well, a small positive note is that the waits for 1.5 years— note is that the waits for 1.5 years have— note is that the waits for 1.5 years have gone— note is that the waits for 1.5 years have gone down from about, i years have gone down from about, rahh— years have gone down from about, a tin, seaso— years have gone down from about, i think, 30,000 odd— years have gone down from about, i think, 30,000 odd to about shoes— i think, 30,000 odd to about those sehs— i think, 30,000 odd to about 11,000 since rishi sunak said he waaha— 11,000 since rishi sunak said he would abolish— 11,000 since rishi sunak said he would abolish them. c would abolish them. so he hasn't got would abolish them. so he hasn't aah aa— would abolish them. so he hasn't aah as at— would abolish them. so he hasn't got rid of those long waits. but that's just a small glimmer in this very hopeless situation. and the waits are not only affecting the quality of life of the patients. people who are disabled in pain or may may not be able to see need cataract operations, but it's the knock on effect of those people needing treatment. so it affects the economy. they can't work . the economy. they can't work. they visit their gp's more often looking for help or drugs. they may end up in a&e if something becomes gallbladders , for becomes gallbladders, for example, can become infected and they then turn to i mean it's

just, you know, it's a huge problem affecting the economy and affecting the rest of the health care service . and many health care service. and many have had to turn to private savings in order to pay for operations and may even be fleecing themselves , you know, fleecing themselves, you know, of thousands of pounds that they may not have or borrowing money. so it's a huge ripple effect . so it's a huge ripple effect. yes. and lucy, it seems to me hhah— yes. and lucy, it seems to me hhah hs— yes. and lucy, it seems to me hhah hh-s hhe— yes. and lucy, it seems to me that it's the way— yes. and lucy, it seems to me that it's the way you receive aas— that it's the way you receive nhs treatment— that it's the way you receive nhs treatment .— that it's the way you receive nhs treatment . it differs nhs treatment. it differs areahhy— nhs treatment. it differs greatly depending on where ye— greatly depending on where you're situated— greatly depending on where you're situated . we've seen you're situated. we've seen heaahhes— you're situated. we've seen headlines this— you're situated. we've seen headlines this week 1010 nhs hrashs— headlines this week 1010 nhs trusts responsible for nearly hah— trusts responsible for nearly hah ah— trusts responsible for nearly hah a hh-s— trusts responsible for nearly half of uk's patient backlog. so it half of uk's patient backlog. so a easy— half of uk's patient backlog. so a reahhy hs— half of uk's patient backlog. so a reahhy as a— half of uk's patient backlog. so it really is a bit— half of uk's patient backlog. so it really is a bit of— half of uk's patient backlog. so it really is a bit of a postcode hahhery— it really is a bit of a postcode hahhery wheh— it really is a bit of a postcode lottery when it— it really is a bit of a postcode lottery when it comes to how aahshhy— lottery when it comes to how aahshhy yaa-re— lottery when it comes to how quickly you're going to be seen aha— quickly you're going to be seen and hreahesh— quickly you're going to be seen and treated. now,— quickly you're going to be seen and treated. now, the prime washer.— and treated. now, the prime minister, i'm— and treated. now, the prime minister, i'm sure you've reaarhea— minister, i'm sure you've reaahea ah— minister, i'm sure you've reported on this, he's come out to reported on this, he's come out ha say— reported on this, he's come out ha say were— reported on this, he's come out ha say going— reported on this, he's come out to say we're going to have more warh— to say we're going to have more warh ha— to say we're going to have more work to pharmacists to give gp's wesh— work to pharmacists to give gp's wehh ha— work to pharmacists to give gp's well to reduce— work to pharmacists to give gp's well to reduce their— work to pharmacists to give gp's well to reduce their workload aha— well to reduce their workload and sa— well to reduce their workload and sa hhah— well to reduce their workload and so that people get seen more aahshhy— and so that people get seen more aahshhy. whah-s— and so that people get seen more quickly. what's the— and so that people get seen more quickly. what's the response yae— quickly. what's the response you've seen to— quickly. what's the response you've seen to that policy idea

7 you've seen to that policy idea a wash— you've seen to that policy idea a wash hhe— you've seen to that policy idea ? well, the pharmacists- you've seen to that policy idea 7 you've seen to that policy idea ? well, the pharmacists are keen to do more work and they want to be more involved in health care , but they claim they don't have the resources to do it. they say that they've got about a million, £1 billion worth of debt or a hole in their funding from government over the last ten years, and that the money that's going towards encouraging them or bringing them into doing more treatment for patients is not nearly enough. it's about 624 million over the next two years. so they say they can't do it. they haven't got the resources to do it. and some doctors are very worried as well about pharmacists taking on decisions that they think need a lot of training . some doctors lot of training. some doctors are saying to me that it actually takes a lot of clinical skill to decide if someone needs antibiotics, for example . and if antibiotics, for example. and if you get it wrong, obviously

someone can die and if you're over prescribing antibiotics, you end up risking an increase in multiple resistant or drug resistant antibacterial or bacterial infections , which can bacterial infections, which can be deadly. so that's a difficult decision. but most of the work that the pharmacists are being asked to do probably doesn't involve many drugs or any drugs. most earaches , coughs, colds most earaches, coughs, colds just get better on their own. so it's not going to take much of the work off the health care service, which really is dealing with doctors are dealing with very complex cases . an ageing very complex cases. an ageing population . and the problem is population. and the problem is that we have reform after reform and we have to somehow wrestle the political posturing out of the political posturing out of the health care service . we have the health care service. we have to look at how to look long term instead of short term fixes and headune instead of short term fixes and headline grabbing news. and

really, it needs to we need an it system that works. we need a weekend work. we'd actually increase the throughput, but the doctors won't do i mean, to do that and social care is lucy i mean a lot of us think there should be root and branch reform of the nhs . instead, we have of the nhs. instead, we have aahhhhshahs— of the nhs. instead, we have politicians around— \r instead, we have politicians around the edges for aahhhhsah— politicians around the edges for political reasons.— politicians around the edges for political reasons. we'll see whah— political reasons. we'll see whah happens. — political reasons. we'll see what happens. but it's hardly sararhsha. — what happens. but it's hardly surprising. after— what happens. but it's hardly surprising. after lockdown that our surprising. after lockdown that wahhha— surprising. after lockdown that our waiting list— surprising. after lockdown that our waiting list are so high. we shay— our waiting list are so high. we shay ahher— our waiting list are so high. we see story after story of thousands— see story after story of thousands of- see story after story of thousands of people not getting ahaahases— thousands of people not getting diagnoses-left— thousands of people not getting diagnoses left and now on diagnoses being left and now on wahhha— diagnoses being left and now on wahhha hhshs— diagnoses being left and now on waiting lists. it— diagnoses being left and now on waiting lists. it really is a herrhhhe— waiting lists. it really is a terrible state _ waiting lists. it really is a terrible state affairs. but terrible state of affairs. but hhahh— terrible state of affairs. but thank-much- terrible state of affairs. but thank-much for. terrible state of affairs. but- thank-much for bringing thank you very much for bringing us thank you very much for bringing as aa— thank you very much for bringing as as ha— thank you very much for bringing as as ha hahe— thank you very much for bringing us up to date. lucy— thank you very much for bringing us up to date. lucy johnston hhere— us up to date. lucy johnston there. health— us up to date. lucy johnston there. health social affairs there. health and social affairs esahar— there. health and social affairs esahar-sahaay- editor at the sunday express. vaa— editor at the sunday express. you course, watching and you are, of course, watching and ashehha— you are, of course, watching and listening—sunday. listening to gb news sunday with me, listening to gb news sunday with rue-cane..— listening to gb news sunday with me,-c.we..-got- listening to gb news sunday with me,-carver.-got lotsi me, emily carver. we've got lots sashe— me, emily carver. we've got lots sarhha aa— me, emily carver. we've got lots more coming up on— me, emily carver. we've got lots more coming up on today's show. hahaar— more coming up on today's show. hahaar wahhs— more coming up on today's show. labour wants expand the labour wants to expand the hrahshhse— labour wants to expand the franchise nationals. is franchise to eu nationals. is hear— franchise to eu nationals. is keir starmer— franchise to eu nationals. is keir starmer trying to rig hahhe— keir starmer trying to rig wahha—hhsl keir starmer trying to rig- voting_his remainer voting to appease his remainer hahs?— voting to appease his remainer hahs-a hah— voting to appease his remainer pals? but first,— voting to appease his remainer pals? but first, let's get the wahh— pals? but first, let's get the news with rory— pals? but first, let's get the

news with rory .— pals? but first, let's get the news with rory . “its“ rig news with rory. thank you very much, emily. the latest from the newsroom nurses are calling for a double digit pay offer to prevent further strike action. the head of the royal college of nursing, pat cullen, told the sunday times that the government risks another six months of industrial action if negotiations aren't reopened. members rejected a 5% offer, which was accepted by 14 other unions as a new ballot for strikes will be held later this month . suggestions of unrest month. suggestions of unrest within the conservative party are being downplayed after the prime minister was blamed for the recent local election results. rishi sunak is facing criticism after nearly 1000 councillors were lost and the decision to scale back post—brexit plans to scrap eu laws . former home secretary laws. former home secretary priti patel accused the leader of failing to listen to his own party, adding the tories hadn't covered itself in glory since

bods covered itself in glory since boris johnson's leadership . the boris johnson's leadership. the shadow business secretary, jonathan reynolds, has defended plans to give workers the right to switch off outside of working hours. labour wants to restrict employers from contacting staff by phone or by email, saying workers should be able to disconnect from devices in their downtime . similar legislation is downtime. similar legislation is already in place in france . already in place in france. merseyside police has praised eurovision fans for enjoying the eventin eurovision fans for enjoying the event in liverpool safely and responsibly. more than half a million people were in the city over the past nine days, making it the forces biggest policing operation to date. swedish pop star lorraine made history, becoming the only woman to win the event twice, and the uk's entry mae muller finished second last behind germany . tv online last behind germany. tv online dab+ radio and tune in. this is gb news emily we'll be right back after this short .

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aehehaer— of the scaffold, he was the true aehehaer ah— of the scaffold, he was the true defender of liberty. yeah i've sarhahehehy— defender of liberty. yeah i've completely derailed the conversation. - completely derailed the conversation. join me . welcome conversation. join me. welcome hash. — conversation. join me. welcome hash. vaa-re— conversation. join me. welcome back. you're watching- conversation. join me. welcome back. vv/rir. t “g riv“r: back. you're watching and listening to gb news sunday with me, emily carver on your tv and radio. so keir starmer he wants to give 3.4 million eu nationals currently in the uk the right to vote. that's according to the sunday telegraph, which reports labour would expand voting rights to settled eu nationals who pay tax as well as 16 and 17 year olds. but the proposals have drawn accusations of trying to rig the outcome of a future election and lay the groundwork for a future referendum to rejoin the eu. quite a bit there to get through. joining me is trade unionist and broadcaster paul mbappe and gb news presenter albie amankona. thank you very much indeed for joining me . albie, i'll start with you . me. albie, i'll start with you. let's let's go with the eu nationals first. should eu nationals be granted the right to vote because they pay tax

here? i think there's a bit of nuance with this question of whether or not eu nationals should be allowed to vote in the united kingdom. general elections because- united kingdom. general elections because if- united kingdom. general. elections because if.look united kingdom. general- elections because if.look in elections because if we look in shherehh— elections because if we look in shherehh-a— elections because if we look in different-of the- elections because if we look in different of the country, different parts of the country, i.e. different parts of the country, h— different parts of the country, i.e. in scotland— different parts of the country, i.e. in scotland in wales, i.e. in scotland and in wales, hhey— ie. in scotland and in wales, hhey-h— i.e. in scotland and in wales, hhey-h hhase- i.e. in scotland and in wales, they in those scottish i.e. in scotland and in wales, theywelsh in those scottish i.e. in scotland and in wales, theywelsh parliament scottish i.e. in scotland and in wales, theywelsh parliament elections and welsh parliament elections ahsa— and welsh parliament elections ahsa hh— and welsh parliament elections also eu nationals— and welsh parliament elections also eu nationals who are from sahrres— also eu nationals who are from countries the— also eu nationals who are from countries the-have- also eu nationals who are from countries the have reciprocal countries the uk have reciprocal aareerhehhs— countries the uk have reciprocal agreements with.— countries the uk have reciprocal agreements with. i— countries the uk have reciprocal agreements with. i think spain haherh — agreements with. i think spain haherh hera— agreements with. i think spain luxem berg are— agreements with. i think spain luxem berg are two of those sahrres— luxem berg are two of those sahrres sah— luxem berg are two of those countries can also vote in local eheshhaas— countries can also vote in local eheshhahs. sa— countries can also vote in local eheshhahs. sa h— countries can also vote in local elections. so i suppose the aaeshhah— elections. so i suppose the question would— elections. so i suppose the question would be if some eu hahhahahs— question would be if some eu nationals can— question would be if some eu nationals can vote some nationals can vote in some eheshhahs— nationals can vote in some eheshhahs .— nationals can vote in some elections , why— nationals can vote in some elections , why they vote elections, why can't they vote in elections, why can't they vote hieheshhahs— elections, why can't they vote in .elections ?_ elections, why can't they vote in.elections ? i— elections, why can't they vote in elections ? i would in all elections? i would arahahhy— in all elections? i would arahahhy he— in all elections? i would probably be cautious to change the probably be cautious to change hhe-sysherh- probably be cautious to change the-system, which- the electoral system, which seems—h- the electoral system, which. seems—iithink seems to work, but i do think has— seems to work, but i do think hhere hs— seems to work, but i do think there islgenuine_ seems to work, but i do think there is genuine question there is a genuine question here— there is a genuine question hhere-hh-s— there is a genuine question there-it's okay- there is a genuine question there it's okay for some there with if it's okay for some eheshhahs— there with if it's okay for some elections, why— there with if it's okay for some elections, why isn't it for okay all elections? _ elections, why isn't it for okay all elections? but- elections, why isn't it for okay all elections? but paul, have they got have they just because devolved have devolved administrations have decided votes to eu decided to allow votes to eu citizens, does it make it right 7 citizens, does it make it right ? no and i don't think it is right. and i think the danger here— right. and i think the danger here as— right. and i think the danger here as hhah— right. and i think the danger here is that it— . g and i think the danger here is that it would be seen eheshaehy— here is that it would be seen effectively as— here is that it would be seen effectively as a— here is that it would be seen effectively as a form of gerrymandering if the labour party— gerrymandering if the labour harhy were— gerrymandering if the labour harhy ha— gerrymandering if the labour party were to push ahead with it, party were to push ahead with a. heathe— party were to push ahead with it, people would— party were to push ahead with

it, people would conclude that, hash.— it, people would conclude that, haah. yaa— it, people would conclude that, look, you didn't— it, people would conclude that, look, you didn't think necessarily- look, you didn't think necessarily you were going to wh— necessarily you were going to wh aaaahar— necessarily you were going to win popular support on the basis of win popular support on the basis a yaar— win popular support on the basis a yaar areas— win popular support on the basis of your ideas among the current ehesharahe. — of your ideas among the current electorate. therefore what yre— electorate. therefore what you're seeking— electorate. therefore what you're seeking to extend that ehesharahe— you're seeking to extend that electorate to _ you're seeking to extend that electorate to people who you hhhh— electorate to people who you think broadly— electorate to people who you think broadly are going to be more sympathetic towards voting hahaar. — more sympathetic towards voting hahaar. aha — more sympathetic towards voting labour. and that's— more sympathetic towards voting labour. and that's why any such araaasah— labour. and that's why any such araaasah waaha— labour. and that's why any such proposal would be— labour. and that's why any such proposal would be introduced. aha— proposal would be introduced. aha yaa— proposal would be introduced. aha yaa hhaw.— proposal would be introduced. and you know, i— proposal would be introduced. and you know, i think the ramifications— and you know, i think the ramifications of it are quite serious because— ramifications of it are quite serious because i think you hhaw.— serious because i think you hhaw. hhe— serious because i think you know, the right— serious because i think you know, the right to vote is a hahh— know, the right to vote is a rhahh whhsh— know, the right to vote is a right which actually separate s a an ashaah— right which actually separate s a an actual citizen , an from any a an actual citizen, an from any ahher— a an actual citizen, an from any ahher hha— a an actual citizen, an from any ahher has a— a an actual citizen, an from any other kind of resident. and you hhaw.— other kind of resident. and you hhaw. h— other kind of resident. and you know, in effect,— other kind of resident. and you know, in effect, the whole sahseah— know, in effect, the whole sahsehh ah— know, in effect, the whole concept of citizenship as we hhaw— concept of citizenship as we hhaw hh— concept of citizenship as we know it would _ concept of citizenship as we know it would become meaningless in know it would become meaningless h hhah— know it would become meaningless h hhah reaara— know it would become meaningless in that regard if— know it would become meaningless in that regard if the— know it would become meaningless in that regard if the vote is exhehaea— in that regard if the vote is extended to— in that regard if the vote is extended to foreign nationals aha— extended to foreign nationals and yaa— extended to foreign nationals and yaa hhaw.— extended to foreign nationals and you know, i— extended to foreign nationals and you know, i think when you hahe— and you know, i think when you wahe ah— and you know, i think when you wahe ah a— and you know, i think when you vote at a general— and you know, i think when you vote at a general election, more ahea— vote at a general election, more aheh hhah— vote at a general election, more often than not,— vote at a general election, more often than not, your vote is based— often than not, your vote is based ah— often than not, your vote is based on your— often than not, your vote is based on your own lived eaerhehse— based on your own lived experience, to- based on your own lived experience, to use that phrase . experience, to use that phrase. ahea— experience, to use that phrase. oheh heathe— experience, to use that phrase. often people who— experience, to use that phrase. often people who have lived and warhea— often people who have lived and warhea here— often people who have lived and worked here all— often people who have lived and worked here all their life and haha— worked here all their life and para hares— worked here all their life and paid taxes here,— worked here all their life and paid taxes here, all of their warhha— paid taxes here, all of their working lives—

paid taxes here, all of their working lives and have a deep ahhhhy— working lives and have a deep ahhhhy wahh— working lives and have a deep affinity with the _ working lives and have a deep affinity with the country and hahe— affinity with the country and rhahe a— affinity with the country and make a decision— affinity with the country and make a decision at the ballot has— make a decision at the ballot has ah— make a decision at the ballot has an hhah— make a decision at the ballot box on that basis— make a decision at the ballot box on that basis rather than sarhehaay— box on that basis rather than sarhehaay h— box on that basis rather than somebody i mean, no disrespect to somebody i mean, no disrespect ha-hhhe— somebody i mean, no disrespect ha-ahe hhas— somebody i mean, no disrespect to-like this, but- somebody i mean, no disrespect to like this, but people to people like this, but people wha— to people like this, but people wha shay— to people like this, but people wha shay-have— to people like this, but people who may-have a- to people like this, but people who may have a particular who may not have a particular ahhhhy— who may not have a particular ahhhhy wahh— who may not have a particular affinity with britain and hahhahahs— affinity with britain and nationals of— affinity with britain and nationals of another country . we nationals of another country. we aah-h— nationals of another country. we don't necessarily— nationals of another country. we don't necessarily have a british passharh— don't necessarily have a british aassaah sahe— don't necessarily have a british passport vote. and— don't necessarily have a british passport vote. and those two sahes— passport vote. and those two votes are weighted evenly . and votes are weighted evenly. and hhah— votes are weighted evenly. and hhah shrhhes— votes are weighted evenly. and that strikes me— votes are weighted evenly. and that strikes me as— votes are weighted evenly. and that strikes me as as wrong. hhhhrhahehy— that strikes me as as wrong. ultimately albie— that strikes me as as wrong. ultimately albie be surely going hash— ultimately albie be surely going hash ha— ultimately albie be surely going back to basics,— ultimately albie be surely going back to basics, you should have to back to basics, you should have ha he— back to basics, you should have ha he ha— back to basics, you should have to be to british— back to basics, you should have to be to british vote in a harsh— to be to british vote in a british general election. sarehy— british general election. sarehy hh— british general election. surely it should- british general election. surely it should be- british general election. surely it should be as basic as that. yeah. look i think that is a reasonable point, but i also think it is equally reasonable for people to ask the question if you're paying taxes in this country, if you're contributing to society , you can vote to british society, you can vote in some elections, but not other elections. why can't you vote in all elections. why can't you vote in ahh eheshhahs— elections. why can't you vote in all elections and— elections. why can't you vote in all elections and just— t why can't you vote in all elections and just to come hash— all elections and just to come hash-hay— all elections and just to come hash-aay-h- all elections and just to come back-pay-in hong- all elections and just to come back pay in hong kong back to i pay tax in hong kong for back to i pay tax in hong kong ha a— back to i pay tax in hong kong ha a hahhe— back to i pay tax in hong kong for a little bit,— back to i pay tax in hong kong for a little bit, it— back to i pay tax in hong kong for a little bit, it didn't mean i a for a little bit, it didn't mean h-a hahe— for a little bit, it didn't mean i-a vote. paul's- for a little bit, it didn't mean i a vote. paul's point about i got a vote. paul's point about gerrymandering.— i got a vote. paul's point about gerrymandering, elections. some heathe— gerrymandering, elections. some hearse—hhahhi gerrymandering, elections. some aeaahhhah—rhhahhi gerrymandering, elections. some peoplsthat the might gerrymandering, elections. some peoplsthat the tories might argue that the tories introducing- argue that the tories introducing id, argue that the tories- introducing-id, even introducing voter id, even hhaaah— introducing voter id, even hhaaahlrhhahh- introducing voter id, even though might not introducing voter id, even-

thoughlmight not-worked though it might not have worked very— though it might not have worked very wehh— though it might not have worked very wehh h— though it might not have worked very well in the— though it might not have worked very well in the local elections,— very well in the local elections, was an attempt at aerryrhahaerha— gerrymandering election. so this is gerrymandering election. so this hs—hah - gerrymandering election. so this hs—hah ahh- is something we see from all different of political different kinds of political parties. it doesn't mean that here— parties. it doesn't mean that there doesn't— parties. it doesn't mean that there doesn't-to- parties. it doesn't mean that there doesn't-to be- there doesn't need to be a aehahe— there doesn't need to be a genuine-when- there doesn't need to be a genuine when these genuine debate when these aaeshhahs— genuine debate when these questions-kyiv- genuine debate when these questions . genuine debate when these. questions-kyiv paul, do questions arise. kyiv paul, do you you the commentary you do you buy the commentary around this saying this is around this saying that this is around this saying that this is a keir starmer sort a way for keir starmer to sort of move closer to the european union these citizens union because these citizens presumably be in favour of presumably would be in favour of rejoining ? yeah, i think that's rejoining? yeah, i think that's exactly what it is. emily and i hhhh— exactly what it is. emily and i hhhh ahsa— exactly what it is. emily and i think also actually— cikire�*higcg c emily andi think also actually when you hash— think also actually when you haah ah— think also actually when you look at some— think also actually when you look at some of— think also actually when you look at some of the other talk in hhe— look at some of the other talk in hhe h— look at some of the other talk in hhe h hhe— look at some of the other talk in the in the media about hahaar.— in the in the media about labour, also— in the in the media about labour, also extending the vote to labour, also extending the vote ha ha— labour, also extending the vote ha ha aha— labour, also extending the vote ha ha and h— labour, also extending the vote to 16 and 17 year— labour, also extending the vote to 16 and 17 year olds, i think has— to 16 and 17 year olds, i think that's probably— to 16 and 17 year olds, i think that's probably being done for the that's probably being done for hhe sashe— that's probably being done for the same reason— that's probably being done for the same reason because broadly hhah— the same reason because broadly hhah saharh— the same reason because broadly hhah saharh ah— the same reason because broadly that cohort of voters would be seen as more sympathetic to hahaar.— seen as more sympathetic to hahaar. hhey— seen as more sympathetic to labour, they would be seen as hh— labour, they would be seen as more eu friendly— labour, they would be seen as more eu friendly and i'm a great hehhewea— more eu friendly and i'm a great believer. look,— more eu friendly and i'm a great believer. look, don't try to fix hhe— believer. look, don't try to fix the electoral— believer. look, don't try to fix the electoral system just hesase— the electoral system just because you _ the electoral system just because you can't win at that rhahehh— because you can't win at that moment-time.— because you can't win at that moment time. popular support moment in time. popular support for moment in time. popular support ha yaar— moment in time. popular support ha yaar haeas. — moment in time. popular support for your ideas. you— moment in time. popular support for your ideas. you know , you've for your ideas. you know, you've gotliio— for your ideas. you know, you've aah-ea aah— for your ideas. you know, you've aah-ea aah aha— for your ideas. you know, you've got go out and argue harder got to go out and argue harder aha—ha— got to go out and argue harder aha—ha 90- got to go out and argue harder aha—ha 90 aah- got to go out and argue harder and—to go out and. and you've got to go out and convince people— and you've got to go out and convince people why are convince people why you are rhahh. — convince people why you are rhahh. vaa— convince people why you are right. you shouldn't try to

rhahhahahe— right. you shouldn't try to manipulate electoral system manipulate the electoral system , umr— manipulate the electoral system . aha— manipulate the electoral system . aha aeh— manipulate the electoral system , um, and get over— manipulate the electoral system , um, and get over the line in hhah— , um, and get over the line in hhah way.— , um, and get over the line in hhah way. has— , um, and get over the line in hhah way. has a— , um, and get over the line in that way. and i think that's esashhy— that way. and i think that's esashhy haw— that way. and i think that's exactly how people would would see-aha— exactly how people would would seelaha-whhh- exactly how people would would see .and _with the - exactly how people would would see and with the 16 see it. and i think with the 16 aha— see it. and i think with the 16 ahalyear— see it. and i think with the 16 ahalyear-har- see it. and i think with the 16 and year for example , i and 17 year olds, for example, i hhhh— and 17 year olds, for example, i think.infantilizes_ and 17 year olds, for example, i think infantilizes our think it infantilizes our aaahhss— think it infantilizes our politics and— think it infantilizes our politics and it speaks to this area— politics and it speaks to this area hhah— politics and it speaks to this idea that young— politics and it speaks to this idea that young people and of course,.should_ idea that young people and of course, should listen to course, we should listen to young— course, we should listen to yaaha-hah- course, we should listen to young but somehow young people, but somehow hhey-re—sarhel young people, but somehow they're—some of they're imbued with some sort of ahhaae—aha- they're imbued with some sort of ahhaae—aha aeaahel unique wisdom. and old people are unique wisdom. and old people rash— unique wisdom. and old people tash hha— unique wisdom. and old people are just kind of— unique wisdom. and old people are just kind of gammon and rashsh— are just kind of gammon and rashsh aha— are just kind of gammon and racist and their— are just kind of gammon and racist and their views be racist and their views should be sasrhssesh— racist and their views should be dismissed—for- racist and their views should be dismissed. for labour dismissed. the danger for labour is dismissed. the danger for labour hs-ha— dismissed. the danger for labour hs-ha-hearhsl is they need to win the hearts aha— is they need to win the hearts and hhas— is they need to win the hearts and minds people in the red and minds of people in the red wahh— and minds of people in the red wash—have- and minds of people in the red wall,_have been. wall, people who have been dismissed— wall, people who have been dismissed as— wall, people who have been dismissed as gammon over the last— dismissed as gammon over the last-and— dismissed as gammon over the last-and if- dismissed as gammon over the last-and if they're . last few years and if they're to — last few years and if they're to be — last few years and if they're seen to be gerrymandering the system — seen to be gerrymandering the system _we— seen to be gerrymandering the system _te-eutl system in order to cancel out tme— system in order to cancel out ttte-et— system in order to cancel out the-of-voters- system in order to cancel out the-of-voters ,- system in order to cancel outl the-of-voters , then the vote of those voters, then peopte— the vote of those voters, then peopte-mme— the vote of those voters, then people think, actually people will think, actually y-e— people will think, actually y-emst— people will think, actually you're just still treating us wttm— you're just still treating us with contempt,— you're just still treating us with contempt, still with contempt, you're still treatme— with contempt, you're still treating disrespect, treating us with disrespect, y-e— treating us with disrespect, ye sttt— treating us with disrespect, you're still-our- treating us with disrespect, you're still our party. why you're still not our party. why steutt— you're still not our party. why steuttivete— you're still not our party. why should-vote for— you're still not our party. why should vote for you.7 that's should we vote for you.7 that's tme— should we vote for you.7 that's ttte—tet- the electoral pitfall for tetem— the electoral pitfall for labour. yes— the electoral pitfall for labour. yes i- the electoral pitfall for labour. yes i think so. ti; labour. yes i think so. albie etttttem— labour. yes i think so. albie children votes for children . children votes for children. look, i think it's probably an mtetest— look, i think it's probably an interest voting— look, i think it's probably an interest voting attempt to try mt— interest voting attempt to try mt eet— interest voting attempt to try mt get yemg— interest voting attempt to try and get young people more emgeget— and get young people more emgeget mm— and get young people more engaged with politics. i just womett— engaged with politics. i just wonder whether— engaged with politics. i just wonder whether or not in the

early 20th century, when the right to vote was extended to women and to people that didn't own property, people were having the same debates about political parties gerrymander. parties trying to gerrymander. so could win elections so they could win elections based those nato albie people based on those nato albie people being able to vote. i just wonder if people- g ijust wonder if people were having stmttm— wonder if people were having similar debates— wonder if people were having similar debates then, but eetuetty— similar debates then, but eetuetty .— similar debates then, but eetuetty , .— similar debates then, but actually , i think rather than actually, i think rather than these— actually, i think rather than these-around- actually, i think rather than these around these these throwing around these accusations— these throwing around these accusations that— these throwing around these accusations that people are ttymg— accusations that people are. ttyme—wmy trying to rig the system, why tom-t— trying to rig the system, why tent—try- trying to rig the system, why tent—try mt- trying to rig the system, why- don't_try and engage don't we actually try and engage wttm—tme— don't we actually try and engage with _the issue - don't we actually try and engage with _the issue at- with just taking the issue at tese— with just taking the issue at tese-e — with just taking the issue at face - .7 what - with just taking the issue at face - .7 what would i with just taking the issue at- face -.7 what would votes at face value? what would votes at 16 mean? now? i happen to believe that actually we're adults at this country, and adults at 18in this country, and that's right to that's when we get the right to vote. it's perfectly vote. but it's perfectly reasonable people who reasonable for people who disagree to have point disagree with me to have a point that they think votes at 16 and i7 that they think votes at 16 and 17 are valid as they are in scotland. and i think you're tetmg— scotland. and i think you're tetmg tt— scotland. and i think you're tetmg tt tee— scotland. and i think you're taking it too much- f: and i think you're taking it too much at face veuet— taking it too much at face veuet mts— taking it too much at face value. this is— taking it too much at face value. this is a- taking it too much at face value. this is a clear attempt to mate— value. this is a clear attempt to mate sme— value. this is a clear attempt to make sure that— value. this is a clear attempt to make sure that is to make sure that there is etweys— to make sure that there is etweys e— to make sure that there is always a left— to make sure that there is always a left wing government in gemmemt — always a left wing government in government. but— always a left wing government in government. but can- always a left wing government in government. ttt?" g always a left wing government in government. tit?“ g government. but can young people not wing? emily we're not be right wing? emily we're young.— not be right wing? emily we're young-_wel not be right wing? emily we're. young-_we mew young. we're right wing. we know mete— young. we're right wing. we know mete-very,— young. we're right wing. we know mete-very, very— young. we're right wing. we know there .very, very few- there are very, very few conservatives - there are very, very few conservatives at that age. but mst— conservatives at that age. but just teet— conservatives at that age. but test test at— conservatives at that age. but just look at the— conservatives at that age. but just look at the polling on various things—

just look at the polling on various things . t:t:::t various things. but do you not think that perhaps if votes were at 16 and i7, think that perhaps if votes were at 16 and 17, it would encourage the conservative party in the centre right of british to politics engage with young people more and actually solve the matter young the issues that matter to young people housing we people like housing that we often about this often speak about on this channel. well, don't think channel. well, i don't think mts— channel. well, i don't think ttts et— channel. well, i don't think ttts et te— channel. well, i don't think kids at 16 and— channel. well, i don't think kids at 16 and i7— i well, i don't think kids at 16 and 17 are necessarily- kids at 16 and 17 are necessarily worrying about where they-te— necessarily worrying about where tmey-te-te — necessarily worrying about where tmey-te-te .emee - they're going to live once .y..,-..,_ they're going to live once they've, become an adult. they've, you become an adult. tts— they've, you become an adult. tt-s stutte— they've, you become an adult. it's quite interesting, paul, tsm-t— it's quite interesting, paul, isn't-because- it's quite interesting, paul, isn't because labour isn't it, because the labour party— isn't it, because the labour party presumably saying that party are presumably saying that eu party are presumably saying that tu _te— party are presumably saying that tu _te ttte- party are presumably saying that ttt—be ttte tel eu citizens should be able to vete— eu citizens should be able to vote-ttey-te- eu citizens should be able to vote they're paying tax vote because they're paying tax mete.— vote because they're paying tax mete-me. — vote because they're paying tax mete-me. lent— vote because they're paying tax here.-no..and17- vote because they're paying tax here. no. and 17 year here. well, no. 16 and 17 year etts— here. well, no. 16 and 17 year etts me— here. well, no. 16 and 17 year etts paving— here. well, no. 16 and 17 year olds are paying are they ? olds are paying tax, are they? met, — olds are paying tax, are they? met, t— olds are paying tax, are they? met, t tom-t— olds are paying tax, are they? well, i don't know. " well, i don't know. i mean, i tmet— well, i don't know. i mean, i mm m— well, i don't know. i mean, i think in some cases children. so, for example, child actors, if they earn beyond a certain amount, may well actually be liable to pay some degree of taxation. tiny amount. absolutely. but i think it's the it's the principle here. so those people who argue no taxation without representation, they could effectively be arguing for , you know, a six, arguing for, you know, a six, six, seven, eight, nine year old child actor to have the vote. and so i know it was a demand of revolutionaries throughout

history, but i think there are some real dangers of taking that to, know, a literal degree. to, you know, a literal degree. no taxation without representation . and the representation. and the interesting thing, way, interesting thing, by the way, about at and i7, about votes at 16 and i7, normally it's the masses who are demand in an extension of the vote. and the elites who are usually trying to resist it with votes at 1617, it's actually an inversion of that. it's the other way round. it tends to be the elites and broadly the liberal elites who are demanding votes for 16 and 17 year olds. and most of the people out there kind of think, well, actually i couldn't be trusted with the vote. i couldn't be trusted with a at 16 years of age, let a kettle at 16 years of age, let alone vote. so, you know, alone the vote. so, you know, i think most people out there in the court public public the court of public public opinion their eyebrow opinion raised their eyebrow and say, not 16 and 17 say, um, no, not for 16 and 17 year olds and think of their own kind and activities at kind of views and activities at that age and think, i couldn't have been trusted with choosing a i was still a government. i was still getting at school. so getting detention at school. so the, idea, i think, is the, the whole idea, i think, is a nonsense and should a complete nonsense and should be rejected. i think so that's all we've time for on that all we've got time for on that

one. but food for thought one. but some food for thought mete.— one. but some food for thought mete-t— one. but some food for thought there.-i think— one. but some food for thought there.-i think-need. there. albie. i think you need tome-e— there. albie. i think you need to-more cynical- there. albie. i think you need to more cynical in my to be far more cynical in my ment— to be far more cynical in my view. thank you— to be far more cynical in my view. thank you very much. paul mbappe— view. thank you very much. paul mbappe-atte- view. thank you very much. paul mbappe albie amankona view. thank you very much. paul mbappe about albie amankona view. thank you very much. paul mbappe about labour'sie amankona view. thank you very much. paul mbappe about labour's plansinkona view. thank you very much. paul mbappe about labour's plans to ona talking about labour's plans to extent— talking about labour's plans to extemt tme— talking about labour's plans to extend the vote— talking about labour's plans to extend the vote further. 16 and 17 extend the vote further. 16 and t yest— extend the vote further. 16 and t yem etts— extend the vote further. 16 and 17 year olds perhaps, .and eu mettemets— 17 year olds perhaps, .and eu nationals as— 17 year olds perhaps, .and eu nationals as well, who pay tax in nationals as well, who pay tax m tts— nationals as well, who pay tax m tms eemtty— nationals as well, who pay tax in this country is— nationals as well, who pay tax in this country is paying tax in mts— in this country is paying tax in mm eemtty— in this country is paying tax in this country enough to be gmmtet— this country enough to be gmmtet tme— this country enough to be granted the vote? or do you have to te — granted the vote? or do you have to te mtttsm— granted the vote? or do you have to be british to— granted the vote? or do you have to be british to vote— granted the vote? or do you have to be british to vote in a ettttsm— to be british to vote in a british general election? i wette— british general election? i weutt argue— british general election? i would argue the latter anyway. ttevme— would argue the latter anyway. ttevme em— would argue the latter anyway. moving on, tension is building as cmetsee— moving on, tension is building as chelsea prepare to face mats— as chelsea prepare to facei mats—m as chelsea prepare to face- ttvets—m ttte rivals manchester united in the tmet— rivals manchester united in the final-women's- rivals manchester united in the final-women's fa- rivals manchester united in the final women's fa cup final of the women's fa cup tmet.— final of the women's fa cup final. serial— final of the women's fa cup final. serial winners chelsea etmmg— final. serial winners chelsea etmmgte— final. serial winners chelsea are aiming to win the fa cup for the are aiming to win the fa cup for ttte tmet— are aiming to win the fa cup for ttte tmet yest— are aiming to win the fa cup for the third year in— are aiming to win the fa cup for the third year in a— are aiming to win the fa cup for the third year in a row, while ttemetestet— the third year in a row, while manchester united are looking to end manchester united are looking to ent-street— manchester united are looking to ent-street tm- manchester united are looking to end-streak in their- end the blues streak in their mst— end the blues streak in their test-tmet. - end the blues streak in their first-final. for- end the blues streak in their first final. for more, first women's final. for more, tet-s— first women's final. for more, tet-s-mew— first women's final. for more, tet-s-mew te — first women's final. for more, let's now to reporter let's cross now to our reporter mee— let's cross now to our reporter mes—ts- let's cross now to our reporteri theo—is outside theo chikomba, who is outside memttey— theo chikomba, who is outside wembley-where- theo chikomba, who is outside wembley where the match wembley stadium where the match has wembley stadium where the match tes—tts— wembley stadium where the match mes—tt-s mst- has just kicked off. it's just ttetet— has just kicked off. it's just meted-.— has just kicked off. it's just ttetetl tt— has just kicked off. it's just kicked.. it has,- has just kicked off. it's just kicked . it has, yes . has just kicked off. it's just kicked . it has, yes. c kicked off. it has, yes. it's teem— kicked off. it has, yes. it's teem stout— kicked off. it has, yes. it's been about 15— kicked off. it has, yes. it's been about 15 minutes into the game now and there was a goal disallowed within 20s, manchester united are getting the ball in the back of the net, but it was unfortunately disallowed. it's a tasty affair

today between the two rivals, manchester united currently sitting top of the women's super league with 50 points and chelsea with 49. although chelsea with 49. although chelsea do have a game in hand, if they do go ahead to win their game, they will be top of the super league again. but today form goes out the window. how the team's been doing goes out the team's been doing goes out the it's all to play for the window. it's all to play for here. 90,000 fans are here in here. as 90,000 fans are here in the stadium, fully packed out , the stadium, fully packed out, the stadium, fully packed out, the atmosphere is going to be electric. this afternoon. and once the game is over , prince of once the game is over, prince of wales will be handing over the trophy to the team , which wins trophy to the team, which wins here today . fans have travelled here today. fans have travelled from all corners of the uk to come and see this game. unfortunately, just a few seconds ago we did speak to one lady who unfortunately was sold a fake ticket. so she hasn't been able to get in, so she's had to unfortunately make her way home, perhaps find a pub to try and catch the match. so that is unfortunate. hope she's the only because this a big only one because this is a big game. the final everybody game. it's the final everybody wants see this. wants to see this. interestingly, though, we've met

some neutrals. they some fans who are neutrals. they don't neither team, but don't support neither team, but they've come here just to support women , men's football support women, men's football and how far it has come sold out. last year , about half of out. last year, about half of the people attended the game , the people attended the game, but lots of people but this time lots of people have come to see this game, so it's going to be a good one. so far, so good. it's nil nil at the moment, but plenty of time for team to score and win for either team to score and win the i will the game. good stuff. i will eetet— the game. good stuff. i will catch up— the game. good stuff. i will catch up em— the game. good stuff. i will catch up on the— 3 good stuff. i will catch up on the result later in te— catch up on the result later in ttte tey— catch up on the result later in ttte tey. tt— catch up on the result later in ttte tey. tt ts— catch up on the result later in the day. it is nice— catch up on the result later in the day. it is nice to see a wmete— the day. it is nice to see a whole stadium _ the day. it is nice to see a whole stadium packed full of supporters— whole stadium packed full of supporters tet— whole stadium packed full of supporters for women's football. it supporters for women's football. tt-tee— supporters for women's football. tt-tee peputm— supporters for women's football. it too popular. only it wasn't too popular. only a couple— it wasn't too popular. only a eeupte et— it wasn't too popular. only a couple of years— it wasn't too popular. only a couple of years ago, so it's gest— couple of years ago, so it's eeet te— couple of years ago, so it's test to see— couple of years ago, so it's good to see the— couple of years ago, so it's good to see the progress for women.imyself_ good to see the progress for women. myself was no good at women. i myself was no good at teettett— women. i myself was no good at teettett et— women. i myself was no good at football at school,— women. i myself was no good at football at school, but i gave it football at school, but i gave tt e— football at school, but i gave tt a ge— football at school, but i gave tt a go anyway.— football at school, but i gave it a go anyway. moving on, the mumett— it a go anyway. moving on, the meet et— it a go anyway. moving on, the number of countries banning seetet— number of countries banning seetet mette— number of countries banning social media app from social media app tiktok from government— government phones is rising. seme— government phones is rising. semeltme— government phones is rising. some .the.now- government phones is rising. some the now fear the some in the uk now fear the ptettetm— some in the uk now fear the ptettetm _te— some in the uk now fear the platform _be in- some in the uk now fear the platform be in line for platform could be in line for a eememt— platform could be in line for a gememt tem— platform could be in line for a general ban. our— platform could be in line for a general ban. our reporter tony mesme— general ban. our reporter tony tteeutte spoke— general ban. our reporter tony mcguire spoke to— general ban. our reporter tony mcguire spoke to one small tusmess— mcguire spoke to one small business owner— mcguire spoke to one small business owner who says a petemttet— business owner who says a potential ban— business owner who says a potential ban could spell ttsestet— potential ban could spell disaster for— potential ban could spell disaster for his business. vttees— disaster for his business. vttees yet— disaster for his business. videos you love are just a search— videos you love are just a search may,— videos you love are just a search away, so- videos you love are just a search away, so get started. josh—

search away, so get started. josh wtem— search away, so get started. josh when everyone- search away, so get started. josh when everyone thought facebook and twitter had locked down the social media monopoly along came tiktok. it's a social app. it's a video platform. it's app. it's a video platform. it's a search engine and an infinite scrolling endorphin factory for heightened user engagement. 1 billion active users are setettmg— billion active users are scrolling their way to consume 167 scrolling their way to consume tet mttttem— scrolling their way to consume 167 million tiktok videos in an mtemet— 167 million tiktok videos in an internet minute.— 167 million tiktok videos in an internet minute. but why are geemmemt— internet minute. but why are governments so— internet minute. but why are governments so concerned ? �*ftt�*tz; at; governments so concerned? we are atss— governments so concerned? we are stse going— governments so concerned? we are stse going to— governments so concerned? we are stse some to tm— governments so concerned? we are also going to ban the use of tiktok on government devices. we will do so with immediate effect over uk territories and a ban tiktok from our government phones due to the national security threat of handing over device data to chinese parent company bytedance . but everyday company bytedance. but everyday users company bytedance. but everyday ttte— company bytedance. but everyday users like alex— company bytedance. but everyday users like alex mckendry,- i :i but everyday users like alex mckendry, whose company— users like alex mckendry, whose company kitchen _ users like alex mckendry, whose company kitchen rapper receives a steegetme— company kitchen rapper receives a steegetmg ttte— company kitchen rapper receives a staggering 75% of referrals trem— a staggering 75% of referrals teem ms— a staggering 75% of referrals from his tiktok— a staggering 75% of referrals from his tiktok followers, are concerned that _ from his tiktok followers, are concerned that a— from his tiktok followers, are concerned that a ban may soon reest— concerned that a ban may soon resem putte— concerned that a ban may soon reach public devices . reach public devices. those tevets— reach public devices. those tevets ts— reach public devices. those levels to us, _ reach public devices. those levels to us, there's catching wraps and then there's catching wraps. 75% of your work is comme— wraps. 75% of your work is coming through— 75% of your work is coming through tiktok. �*" gig coming through tiktok. if we get a coming through tiktok. if we get t tm— coming through tiktok. if we get

t tan st— coming through tiktok. if we get t tan st tme— coming through tiktok. if we get a ban or the country decided we're just not going, they can have tiktok andy mayer, that's going to be drastic for our business. where are we getting our business. where are we getting tuttems— business. where are we getting our buttons for?— business. where are we getting our buttons for? we— where are we getting our buttons for? we were dealing ttey— our buttons for? we were dealing ttey wemtet— our buttons for? we were dealing they wanted paid _ our buttons for? we were dealing they wanted paid ads, which is meyer— they wanted paid ads, which is mayor overheads,— they wanted paid ads, which is mayor overheads, which would put our mayor overheads, which would put pttees— mayor overheads, which would put pttees up— mayor overheads, which would put pttees up et— mayor overheads, which would put our prices up or we— mayor overheads, which would put our prices up or we would just try mt— our prices up or we would just try amt-tmet— our prices up or we would just try and _that-can- our prices up or we would just try and that can ever try and hope that we can ever get— try and hope that we can ever get teet— try and hope that we can ever get test em— try and hope that we can ever get back on that— try and hope that we can ever get back on that platform or momet— get back on that platform or another platform picks up as emet— another platform picks up as tmet—mm- another platform picks up asi quick _with this quick as we've done with this atex— quick as we've done with this one. alex lodz— quick as we've done with this one. alex lodz tiktok- quick as we've done with this one. : quick as we've done with this one. g one. alex lodz tiktok for being a vehicle for effective free a vehicle for effective and free advertising. they appeal advertising. he says they appeal of advertising. he says they appeal et ms— advertising. he says they appeal et ms met— advertising. he says they appeal of his viral videos. _ advertising. he says they appeal of his viral videos. is- of his viral videos. is significantly- of his viral videos. is significantly more effective for his securing business than paid advertising. he his securing business than paid advertising . he isn't paying advertising. he isn't paying wttm— advertising. he isn't paying wttm mey— advertising. he isn't paying with money, but— advertising. he isn't paying with money, but he- at: g he isn't paying with money, but he is paying wttm— with money, but he is paying ttte-ttte,— with money, but he is paying with .data, which - with money, but he is paying with data, which has its own with his data, which has its own considerable— with his data, which has its own considerable value— with his data, which has its own considerable value in the ttettet— considerable value in the ttgttet age.— considerable value in the ttgttet age. — considerable value in the digital age. " digital age. that's one reason professor azeem ibrahim , a professor azeem ibrahim, a glaswegian research professor at the us army war college, believes the risks associated with tiktok are at odds with british national security. the primary function of every- primary function of every geyemmemt— primary function of every government is- primary function of every government is to keep its people sate— government is to keep its people sete .— government is to keep its people sete . tt— government is to keep its people sete . tt ts— government is to keep its people sete . tt ts e— government is to keep its people safe . it is a national security safe. it is a national security considerations— safe. it is a national security considerations ,_ safe. it is a national security considerations , and i understand considerations, and i understand trem— considerations, and i understand ttem memy— considerations, and i understand mem memy eeeete— considerations, and i understand from many people it's just a temtgm— from many people it's just a temtgm app-— from many people it's just a temtgm app- eut— from many people it's just a benign app. but the reality is

met— benign app. but the reality is ttett tett— benign app. but the reality is their data is— benign app. but the reality is their data is being amassed on a vest— their data is being amassed on a vest seeet— their data is being amassed on a vast scale. unprecedent scale in mumm— vast scale. unprecedent scale in human mmey.— vast scale. unprecedent scale in human history. and that data wttt— human history. and that data wttt te— human history. and that data will be used— human history. and that data will be used to— human history. and that data will be used to manipulate putte— will be used to manipulate public opinion— will be used to manipulate public opinion as and when the cmmese— public opinion as and when the chinese communist party decides it's chinese communist party decides tt-s extremety— chinese communist party decides it's extremely dangerous and has to it's extremely dangerous and has te te— it's extremely dangerous and has te te teetet— it's extremely dangerous and has to be looked at— it's extremely dangerous and has to be looked at through the mettemet— to be looked at through the national security lens, that meet— national security lens, that meet te— national security lens, that meet be e— national security lens, that might be a hard pill to swallow for might be a hard pill to swallow tet e— might be a hard pill to swallow tet e tttttem— might be a hard pill to swallow for a billion active— might be a hard pill to swallow for a billion active daily users . umtte— for a billion active daily users . unlike facebook— for a billion active daily users . unlike facebook and twitter , . unlike facebook and twitter, ttttet— . unlike facebook and twitter, tiktok doesn't— . unlike facebook and twitter, tiktok doesn't have a ceo with a putte— tiktok doesn't have a ceo with a euttte tmeee— tiktok doesn't have a ceo with a public image problem. so despite tene— public image problem. so despite temg stemtme— public image problem. so despite long standing security concerns me— long standing security concerns , the unprecedented growth of ttttet-s— , the unprecedented growth of tiktok's shows— , the unprecedented growth of tiktok's shows no— , the unprecedented growth of tiktok's shows no sign of stemme— tiktok's shows no sign of slowing down.- tiktok's shows no sign of slowing down. tony mcguire gb news— slowing down. tony mcguire gb news ts— slowing down. tony mcguire gb news ts . — slowing down. tony mcguire gb news is . well,— slowing down. tony mcguire gb news is . well, there- slowing down. tony mcguire gb news is . �*fettzgz "tzz; gtzt tzty news is. well, there we go. tony mcguire. they're on tiktok. i would miss tiktok if it was banned. i have spent many, many , many an hour actually scrolling through nana. what's coming up on the show? oh well, i mean, we've got much going i mean, we've got so much going on. we're going to obviously met—stt- on. we're going to obviously kick—sir keiri kick things off with sir keir stetmet. — kick things off with sir keir starmer. obviously, i mean, starmer. so obviously, i mean, to starmer. so obviously, i mean, te me— starmer. so obviously, i mean, te tt— starmer. so obviously, i mean, to me, it looks— starmer. so obviously, i mean, to me, it looks like he's trying to me, it looks like he's trying te-emgmeet- to me, it looks like he's trying to-engineer future- to me, it looks like he's trying to engineer future wins to socially engineer future wins tetevet—tel forever for labour by trying to mm— forever for labour by trying to emme-eme— forever for labour by trying to emme-mt m— forever for labour by trying to bring-and 17 year- forever for labour by trying to bring and 17 year olds to bring in 16 and 17 year olds to vete— bring in 16 and 17 year olds to vete, emem— bring in 16 and 17 year olds to vote, which seems— bring in 16 and 17 year olds to vote, which seems a bit much. so

geme— vote, which seems a bit much. so gemglteet— vote, which seems a bit much. so we're going-look at— vote, which seems a bit much. so we're going look at the we're going to look at the mtemmt— we're going to look at the migrant barge— we're going to look at the migrant barge as well because mete-s— migrant barge as well because there's complaining there's a lot of complaining wttm— there's a lot of complaining tett—tett- there's a lot of complainingi with—raf bases there's a lot of complaining- with_raf bases as with regard to the raf bases as wet.— with regard to the raf bases as wet wmet— with regard to the raf bases as well. what-going- with regard to the raf bases as well. what going to do well. what are we going to do etem— well. what are we going to do about-crisis— well. what are we going to do about-crisis then?- well. what are we going to do about crisis then? the about this crisis then? the ttsestet— about this crisis then? the disaster of— about this crisis then? the disaster of the— about this crisis then? the disaster of the local elections, of disaster of the local elections, et tet— disaster of the local elections, of course, for the— disaster of the local elections, of course, for the tory party, disaster of the local elections, of colost, for the tory party, disaster of the local elections, of co lost, what,a tory party, disaster of the local elections, of co lost, what, atory party, disaster of the local elections, of co lost, what, a thousand they lost, what, a thousand seetse — they lost, what, a thousand seats? they're— they lost, what, a thousand seats? "tzyt "tz; g they lost, what, a thousand seats? they're running of seats? they're running out of time, aren't they? now to turn seats? they're running out of tiiaround?�*t they? now to turn seats? they're running out of tiiaround? theyy? now to turn seats? they're running out of tiiaround? they areiow to turn seats? they're running out of tiiaround? they are runningirn seats? they're running out of tiiaround? they are running out it around? they are running out of there's still of time, but there's still a little bit of time for them. well, she'll see. keir starmer is announcing things well, she'll see. keir starmer is least announcing things well, she'll see. keir starmer is least leaking cing things well, she'll see. keir starmer is least leaking things,ngs or at least leaking things, having things leaked when it comes policy. is all comes to policy. that is all from today . do stay tuned for from me today. do stay tuned for nana, who coming in just nana, who is coming up in just one you've been watching one moment. you've been watching and listening to gb sunday and listening to gb news sunday with emily carver. but with me, emily carver. but first, a look the first, let's take a look at the weather with steve kyiv . hello weather with steve kyiv. hello again, i'm stephen— , hello again, i'm stephen keates with yem— again, i'm stephen keates with yem tetest— again, i'm stephen keates with your latest met— again, i'm stephen keates with your latest met office forecast. amt— your latest met office forecast. amt ee— your latest met office forecast. amt eet— your latest met office forecast. and we've got some patchy rain eteme— and we've got some patchy rain edging-wav— and we've got some patchy rain edging-way across- and we've got some patchy rain edging way across parts of edging its way across parts of tmgtemt— edging its way across parts of tmgtemt mt— edging its way across parts of england and wales this evening. and england and wales this evening. amt—stewets- and tonight a few showers etsewtete. — and tonight a few showers elsewhere. where skies are elsewhere. but where skies are stemme— elsewhere. but where skies are clearing-northern- elsewhere. but where skies are clearing northern britain clearing across northern britain mt— clearing across northern britain amt-wettem— clearing across northern britain and northern ireland. and parts of northern ireland. were— and parts of northern ireland. we-te—emttyl we're turning quite chilly. tmet-s— we're turning quite chilly. that's—cold. we're turning quite chilly. . that's—cold front we're turning quite chilly. - that's—cold front in that's behind this cold front in a that's behind this cold front in e setter— that's behind this cold front in e setter str— that's behind this cold front in a colder air mass.— that's behind this cold front in a colder air mass. this front, trem— a colder air mass. this front, tmem stewty— a colder air mass. this front, then slowly shuffling its way turmer— then slowly shuffling its way further southeast the night, further southeast as the night, ewemtme— further southeast as the night, ewemtme mt— further southeast as the night, evening and night goes on, not

making— evening and night goes on, not metme tt— evening and night goes on, not metme tt te— evening and night goes on, not making it to the— evening and night goes on, not making it to the far southeast wett— making it to the far southeast wmttt tater— making it to the far southeast until later-so— making it to the far southeast until later-so a- making it to the far southeast until later so a three way until later on. so a three way sett— until later on. so a three way sett-te— until later on. so a three way settt-te-ewr- until later on. so a three way split to our sunday split then to start our sunday ewemme. — split then to start our sunday evening. _spells- split then to start our sunday evening. spells and a few evening. clear spells and a few sewerstr— evening. clear spells and a few showers across parts of scotland mt— showers across parts of scotland mt werttrem— showers across parts of scotland and northern ireland. this front stewty— and northern ireland. this front stewty working— and northern ireland. this front slowly working its— and northern ireland. this front slowly working its way further sewtteest— southeast across england and wetes— southeast across england and wees-eet,— southeast across england and wales, odd, heavier burst of wales, the odd, heavier burst of rem— wales, the odd, heavier burst of pessttte— wales, the odd, heavier burst of rain possible-parts- rain possible across parts of eestem— rain possible across parts of. eestem—mte eastern england for a time into the eastern england for a time into ttte eerty— eastern england for a time into the eerty pert— eastern england for a time into the early part monday. damp the early part of monday. damp emts— the early part of monday. damp smes-tm— the early part of monday. damp ends-in southeast- ends the night in southeast metere— ends the night in southeast england. though, england. elsewhere, though, stemme— clearing skies and where we've got clearing skies and where we've get—stres- clearing skies and where we've get—stres tts- got those clear skies, it's going— got those clear skies, it's gems-stttty- got those clear skies, it's going chilly old got those clear skies, it's- going-chilly old night, going to be a chilly old night, estwetty.— going to be a chilly old night, actually. _ close i actually. temperatures close to freezing — actually. temperatures close to freezing .tew— actually. temperatures close to freezing few spots, freezing in a few rural spots, tut— freezing in a few rural spots, twt tts— freezing in a few rural spots, but this compensated for by etemty— but this compensated for by twenty—ter- but this compensated for byj etemty—ter memy plenty of sunshine for many eteses— plenty of sunshine for many places across— plenty of sunshine for many places across the uk to start tme— places across the uk to start ttte ew— places across the uk to start the new working— places across the uk to start the new working week. a few showers, breaking out showers, though, breaking out ewtte— showers, though, breaking out ewtte-esress- showers, though, breaking out quite across parts quite quickly across parts of merttrem— quite quickly across parts of. merttrem—tme northern scotland. and as the day— northern scotland. and as the try-we— northern scotland. and as the try-we see- northern scotland. and as the day-we see the- northern scotland. and as the day we see the heating day goes on, we see the heating of day goes on, we see the heating entry.— day goes on, we see the heating et-teyltte— day goes on, we see the heating of-day..the showers- day goes on, we see the heating of day. the showers will of the day. so the showers will treet— of the day. so the showers will tweet-ttt— of the day. so the showers will break-bit-widely. break out a bit more widely parts— break out a bit more widely across parts of— break out a bit more widely across parts of eastern ssettemt,— across parts of eastern- scotland,-england, the scotland, eastern england, the ett— scotland, eastern england, the ett meewter— scotland, eastern england, the odd heavier ones— scotland, eastern england, the odd heavier ones certainly pessttte— odd heavier ones certainly. possible _that's possible for the west. that's where— possible for the west. that's. where—ttte where we've got the best of the swmsmme— where we've got the best of the sunshine lighter— where we've got the best of the sunshine lighter winds, much seeetr— sunshine lighter winds, much cooler,-compared- sunshine lighter winds, much cooler, compared to what cooler, though, compared to what ew-eweeem—tt i we've seen over the weekend. temperatures— we've seen over the weekend.- temperatures—teens temperatures mid to upper teens at temperatures mid to upper teens et—m— temperatures mid to upper teens et—m ttte— temperatures mid to upper teens et—m ttte west- temperatures mid to upper teens at_in the west with. at best, driest in the west with the at best, driest in the west with ttte wettest— at best, driest in the west with the lightest winds. so showers semttmwtmg— the lightest winds. so showers continuing then— the lightest winds. so showers continuing then into monday ewemtme— continuing then into monday ewemtme ter— continuing then into monday evening for time before tending to evening for time before tending te teee— evening for time before tending te tete es— evening for time before tending to fade as.lose_

evening for time before tending to fade as lose the heating to fade as we lose the heating of to fade as we lose the heating et tme— to fade as we lose the heating et ttte try.— to fade as we lose the heating of the day. most— to fade as we lose the heating of the day. most places then dry to of the day. most places then dry te ttte— of the day. most places then dry te ttte ws— of the day. most places then dry to take us -the_ of the day. most places then dry to take us the earlier to take us in to the earlier part— to take us in to the earlier pert et— to take us in to the earlier part of tuesday. - to take us in to the earlier part of tuesday. quite widely steer— part of tuesday. quite widely steer-tts— part of tuesday. quite widely clear-it's going- clear skies. it's going to be a sputte— clear skies. it's going to be a pwtte smtty— clear skies. it's going to be a quite chilly night— clear skies. it's going to be a quite chilly night widely across the—gardeners- the country. so gardeners sertetmty— the country. so gardeners sertetmty-,- the country. so gardeners- certainly-, temperatures certainly be aware, temperatures in certainly be aware, temperatures tm—wett- in towns and cities well into smpte— in towns and cities well into smpte-rwret- in towns and cities well into single rural areas single figures in rural areas met— single figures in rural areas met ter— single figures in rural areas met ter ett— single figures in rural areas not far off, freezing , got some not far off, freezing, got some stewtter— not far off, freezing, got some cloudier skies.— not far off, freezing, got some cloudier skies. and the odd spot of cloudier skies. and the odd spot et rem— cloudier skies. and the odd spot et semtmp— cloudier skies. and the odd spot of rain coming into— cloudier skies. and the odd spot of rain coming into northern ssettemt.— of rain coming into northern scotland. that's— of rain coming into northern scotland. that's weak weather of rain coming into northern scotlwhichiat's weak weather of rain coming into northern scotl which we're weak weather of rain coming into northern scotl which we're pushing eather of rain coming into northern scotl which we're pushing itsher front which we're pushing its way— front which we're pushing its wry-ttzztmp- front which we're pushing its way fizzling through way south, fizzling through wetmestey — way south, fizzling through- wednesday,_then wednesday, high pressure then temmetmp—etl wednesday, high pressure then. dominating—of the dominating for many parts of the uk dominating for many parts of the wt-tte— dominating for many parts of the uk _the middle- dominating for many parts of the uk the middle part of uk through the middle part of the uk through the middle part of ttte weet. — uk through the middle part of ttte week. a— uk through the middle part of the week. a showers within the week. a few showers within tts— the week. a few showers within tms-twt— the week. a few showers within tms-twtltte- the week. a few showers within this, but the whole, this, though, but on the whole, ptemty—ewttel plenty of dry weather, quite a bit plenty of dry weather, quite a ttt-stewt— plenty of dry weather, quite a bit-cloud around- plenty of dry weather, quite a bit cloud around at times, bit of cloud around at times, tut— bit of cloud around at times, tut-terrest- bit of cloud around at times, but bright weather bit of cloud around at times,- but-bright weather to but some dry, bright weather to be met— but some dry, bright weather to be me es— but some dry, bright weather to be had as well.— but some dry, bright weather to be had as well. but temperatures sertemty— be had as well. but temperatures sertemty me— be had as well. but temperatures certainly no great— be had as well. but temperatures certainly no great shakes . certainly no great shakes. vee-we— certainly no great shakes. weeweeem-- certainly no great shakes. - you've-seen politicians you've probably seen politicians interviewed a thousand times, but we do it differently . we but we do it differently. we find out who they really are. we don't shout, we chat and hopefully we bring a bit of light , not hopefully we bring a bit of light, not just heat. did you know moss? apparently. light, not just heat. did you know moss? apparently . do know kate moss? apparently. do you have a pair of jeans or a pair of shoes? yeah, of course i ttt. — pair of shoes? yeah, of course i did. what would i do with them? my did. what would i do with them? my friends are like, oh my- my friends are like, oh my god, whet-s— my friends are like, oh my god, wmet-s stre—

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